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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:55:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I've decided to join some kind of a weight loss group.  I don't want
my food ready made for me so that lets out a lot of them.  It seems
to be down to Weight Watchers, and my local HMO's group called 
"Weight Away".  I know people who have used Weight Away and liked
it a lot.  It consists of a weekly meeting where there is a weigh-in,
a lecture on a specific topic, and a review of your eating charts. 
On these eating charts, you have to list what you eat and when, when
you exercise and how much, and how much water you drink.  Then you 
have to add it up and compare it to the main chart.

This sounds pretty good to me.  The main draw is that it is free for
me.  The main drawback is that the sessions are in spurts.  It goes
for 10 weeks and then it is interupted by a few weeks and then starts
again.

What is Weight watchers like?


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Anybody heard of Fastin?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:31:27 GMT


Someone recently told me of a diet aid called Fasitn (phenlermine 
hydrochloride.)  If anyone has further information on this I would
appreciate email.  I don't follow this group because I have the
opposite problem but I have a non-net friend that would like to
know.

Thanks,

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

    'The meek shall inherit the earth--the rest of us will move on..'
                                                    Sameer Parekh


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From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:44:13 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Distribution: na
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
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In article <Jan.4.10.55.53.1993.10829@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>
>The only thing I know about appetite suppressants is that I would never
>take them.  I can understand the attraction - a quick start to encourage
>you to continue, but anything you loose with these pills will just
>come right back as soon as you go off them.  
>
>I found that these pills didn't make me eat less, they made me not want
>to eat anything at all.  I had no trouble eating about 500 calories 
>a day and that was a struggle.  Of course, I was dizzy for most of the
>day, but I wasn't hungry at all. 

I don't think appetite supressants would work for me either, because 80% of the
time when I eat I'm not actually hungry anyway, it's just time for a meal or
I'm peckish.

I've tried diets which included some fibre tablets, and had to stop due to
stomach pains.  


I really, really wish there was a magic way to lose weight and keep it off!




Rachel                           "Supergoof!"
                                    -  -
                                    O  O
                                      >
                                     \_/
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From: charlene@boston.sinet.slb.com (Charlene Glatkowski)
Subject: Re: rules and....?
Reply-To: charlene@boston.sinet.slb.com (Charlene Glatkowski)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:32:32 GMT

In article <24692@galaxy.ucr.edu>, samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley) writes:

|> I was wondering if it's all right to post an article I found in a 
|> magazine.  I mean, would it be illegal to disperse it like this or anything?
|> Thanks! :)
|> --
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Tammy Woodley (student)      | " It's not I who am crazy.....
|> UC Riverside                 |   It's I who am MAD!!!!.......
|> Samari@watserv.ucr.edu or    |   We're not hitch hiking anymore....
|> Samari@psychophysics.ucr.edu |   We're riding!!!!!!"
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> 


Tammy,

I think as long as you use appropriate qoutes & document your source you're
okay legally. ( Remember term papers? Ugh :) )

Charlene
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Xmas...
From: Garth_Robinson@kcbbs.gen.nz (Garth Robinson)
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:14:52 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand


      ......Isn't it funny how this echo becomes so quite at this time 
of the year........ Christmas!
              I bet you all over endulged............ like me.

CFN, Garth.

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:48:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Xmas...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Re, overindulging.

Actually, I didn't, but it's been awfully busy.  I'm eating an orange with
one hand (home-grown naval from my back yard.  Yum!) while typing with the
other.  With the third(!) I'm running the rodent and keeping an eye on
the work that needs to be done.

My apologies if I'm less coherent than normal.

Ob: diet and exercise notes:  Bicycling is pretty do-able in N California
this time of year, though an Oregonian's attitude towards rain would be
nice. Too bad I'm not.  It's nice to have water in the reservoirs, but it
took a little bit of work to set things up so that I'm safe and comfortable
riding in the rain.  I'd walk instead, but the feet have told me in clear
terms that I can walk 5 miles per day max.  Any more and I *have* to take
the next day off from walking.  Plantar fasciitis is going to be a way of
life, I fear.  Think I'll have to give up the idea of restarting backpacking.
:-(

On the food side, I'm doing OK.  The local super/produce market is now getting
zucchini from somewhere (S America, I'd guess) and though the quality's not
up to local-grown standards, I'll make the sacrafice for Zuke.  (I managed to
stay ahead of one productive zuke plant last summer all by myself.  Took some
doing, and I was kinda grateful when the gophers took the other two plants
out of production...)  I'm also indulging in carrots (to the point where a
blood-donation nurse commented on my 'yellow palms'), and potatoes microwaved
together.  Very simple, very fast to prepare, and IMHO delicious.  (I slice
both very thin, circa 1/8", put in a covered dish, and nuke till done.  A
little garlic and such, and I'm set.)

With the foul weather, my bicycling exercise factor is getting more skewed
than normal.  I'm losing 1/2 pound a week, but I'm unwilling to adjust the
numbers (summer weight loss is <= 1/4 per week for the same milage), so
I have a splurge every few weeks.  Found that breads and the fat-free 
Entemann's goodies work pretty well for me.  I'll also have a little fresh
fish when the time-budget allows.

Come spring time, I've checked out the flat-land portions of a couple of
80-100 mile rides.  Once the weather drys out (and they rebuild the mountain
roads...) I have some plans for mountain bike rides in the coastal hills.

Gotta go.  Have to dump another chunk of data into the computer...

Pete Brooks
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:07:02 GMT
Subject: Re: rules and....?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

The usual copyright issues apply.  However, you can paraphrase all you want.
The news-admins get nervous about verbatim quotations (at least when it's
a major chunk or all of an article), so reasonable caution applies.

Pete Brooks, notes administrator as part of my job description, no less...
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <Jan.4.11.19.27.1993.15638@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Due to an ankle injury, my exercise routine has been severly restricted.

>because it still involves twisting the ankle a lot.  The doctor
>suggested swimming, which I have access to.

I sprain my ankle with monotonous regularity, and I've found that swimming can
be painful because of the drag of the water when you kick.  I guess
breaststroke would be okay if you kept your ankle rigid and didn't let it flop
around in the water.

This same ankle has put me off any but super-low impact aerobics because I've
sprained it a few times at aerobics, to my disgust.  Sometimes it seems like
everything's stacked against me toning up and losing weight!



Rachel                           "Supergoof!"
                                    -  -
                                    O  O
                                      >
                                     \_/
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: I survived!!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:47:31 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu

Well much to my amazement I survived the holidays! I made it hard on
myself since I started my 6 weeks of maintenance at WW right before the
holidays so I guess I had that added pressure not to gain weight. I only
gained 1.5 pounds which I think is pretty good considering I went to see my
parents in IL and my mother is one who has plenty of sweets around the
house at all times. I was so scared to go to Weight Watchers last night
since that was my 6th week of maintenance and I did not want to be over my
goal weight. But, I DID IT!! I became a life-time member last night!

Now I can take it easy, and keep the weight off and maybe lose a few more
pounds! It seems like it took me forever to get to goal!

Diane
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:23:23 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>
>But, I still need to know if I can carry exchanges over to the next day,

No, you're really not supposed to.  If you need extra exchanges, you
can use your floaters/optional calories, but you shouldn't save up
daily exchanges to use on another day.  Of course, I look at WW as
an outline of healthy eating habits and I've tailored it a little
to meet my needs.  For example, there are very few vegetables that I
like, and most of the ones I DO like our counted as breads (corn,
peas, etc).  I allow myself 1-2 exchanges of these vegetables and 
count them as vegetables (because I certainly wouldn't waste my
breads on them).  I may not have lost the weight as quickly, but
I DID lose and I was eating more vegetables than I usually would
have, so I look at that as a positive step.  

>and what should I do if I don't eat all my exchanges in one day - should
>I make myself eat them even if I'm not hungry?
>Yesterday, I only ate 3 protein exchanges, and I didn't realize this until
>10:30 pm.  My husband asked me if I had to make myself eat 2 exchanges 
>worth of protein before I went to bed.  I said that I didn't know what
>WW would say, but it seemed like a stupid idea to me to eat so much,
>so close to bedtime, when I wasnt' even hungry.  So I didn't.
>
>Does anyone know what you're supposed to do in this case?

WW really recommends that you try to eat all the exchanges.  The
idea is that if your body is not getting enough to eat, it thinks
that you are starving yourself.  Self-preservation kicks in at
this point.  Your body says, "I'm not getting enough food, therefore
I better start slowing down and stop burning as many calories
because I don't know when I'm going to get something else to eat".
Your body starts storing as much as it can, and burns as little as
it can, therefore you won't lose weight as fast.  However, if it's
only a day or two here and there, I wouldn't worry about it.  
I too, don't like to eat right before going to bed.  I've found 
that if I do, I wake up absolutely starving.  Has anyone else
noticed that?  What causes this?

Congratulations on starting on a healthy food program such 
as WW.  I wish you continued success.

Marian Dabay


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Date: 04 Jan 93 07:50:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec31.155449.8045@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>I need to lose about 10 pounds.  Fifteen would be great. Anyway, I was
>wondering if anyone out there had had any luck with appetite suppressant 
>diet pills?  

I haven't, but, you're a different person :)

>I stay hungry.  I feel like it relates to the fact I had gestational diabetes
>the last three months I was pregnant and was put on a strict diet.
>I was required to eat certian predetermined amounts of food at predetermined 
>times according to metabolism or something like that.  Anyway after my daughter 
>was born I found myself hungry at these times of day and to this day, I get 
>hungry at 6:00, 9:00, 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 etc.etc.

Hmm. My mother was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago when I
was still living at my parents' as daughter and chief grocery-shopper,
cook, and bottle washer. So I did some reading. I also nursed my mom
while she was recovering from surgery.

Sounds like your body's been "spoiled" into expecting your blood sugar
to be stablized throughout the day by eating at regular times (6, 9, 12, 3,
6, etc). 

If it's practical for you, I would suggest that you consider continuing
to eat at those times - but not necessarily very much! Eat the same amount
of food that you would like to eat during the day...but eat smaller amounts
at those intervals. 

In my experience excercise has a better long-term benefit than dieting...
a 20-minute walk every day would likely help (or whatever you're into :)
If you've done aerobics, know your target heart rate, etc, and like it,
I'd just pop some favorite music into the stereo and start moving! Start
with stretches, then work up to your target heart rate...check your pulse
every 5/10 minutes to make sure your heart's getting the workout it needs.

-jen

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:31:40 EST

In article <20973@acorn.co.uk> JSeymour@acorn.co.uk (Jenny Seymour) writes:
>
>I heard many horror stories about Weight Watchers before I joined, these
>included the 'Leader' making you stand in the corner with a pink pig if you
>put on weight---Ugggh!!!!!!

That's funny and sad!  Hope they don't really do this!

>
>Weight Watchers is working for me (I say for me because it doesn't work for
>everyone) it gives you loads of variety where food is concerned and if you
>want to go out for a meal you can - just be careful!  The people are really
>friendly and they understand if you don't lose weight.  They also give out a
>file-o-fax thingy which is added to every week (it is full of great ideas).
>
>The best thing at the moment is that it is free to join (normal cost M-#9.00)

If I've done the conversion correctly (probably haven't) that's around
$14US.  That's cheap.  Normally its about $30 here and they're having
a special for around $12.  How much is it weekly there?  Its $11
where I am (which should be around #7?).  Sounds as if weigh loss
is not as big a business in the UK?

>
>I joined 9/11/92 and have lost 11lb since I joined - not brilliant but
>better than losing 4 pounds per week and putting double on the next week.

Congradulations and keep it up!  

Margot




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  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan)
Subject: Re: I survived the holidays
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:31:11 GMT

Now that you've survived the holidays, don't spoil it because of guilt
or anger at yourself for not being like your sister.  She did it her way, 
and you have every right to do it yours.  Probably moderation and
variety are good things to learn, but do it gradually.  If what you can
handle now is all or nothing, do that.  Your sister needed to realize
that you are an individual, just as she is, and to let you act individually.  
Instead of being angry with yourself for not being like your sister,
be proud of yourself for losing weight and for being you.  And next
time you carefully consider what you want to do and find you want to have a 
food you don't normally eat once because you're celebrating, do it.  In
your overall plan, it won't cause much harm if you can get right back on 
your program.  But make sure you're not going to waste time
on guilt or anger, because they may undermine your program.

Good luck.  I wish you great success this year.

Sandi


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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:02:23 GMT

Tammy Vandenboom (Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
> I need to lose about 10 pounds.  Fifteen would be great. Anyway, I was
[snip, snip]
> was born I found myself hungry at these times of day and to this day, I get 
> hungry at 6:00, 9:00, 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 etc.etc.

My suggestion is to keep eating that way, just get as much fat as possible
out of your diet.   Appetite probably isn't your problem, it never was
mine, it was just the content of what I was eating.  Start reading
labels, counting fat grams and substituting low-fat/non-fat foods for
the food you normally eat.  Resolve to use non-fat sour cream, non-fat
milk, non-fat cream cheese (if you can stand it), non-fat mayonnaise.

Finally my last bit of advice is to become more active.  Park your car
farther away from the entrance.  Go for walks to relax.  You don't 
necessarily have to have a planned exercise routine, just take every
available opportunity to add activity back into your life.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
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From: sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy)
Subject: One hell of a wake-up call.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:37:09 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center


This saturday morning, I received a phone call from my father, a member of 
Downtown United Presbteryan (sp?) Church in Rochester, NY. (Home of
Janie Spahr, the lesbian pastor who is being barred from her congregation.)
For more information about Janie reply via e-mail.

He feels very strongly about the stubbornness and "un-christian" behavior
of the people who oppose the congregation's choice for pastor. He explained
that he "wanted to become gay" (his words) to make himself a target for the
injustices that are committed against homosexuals.

So, his plan is to take a partner, while still remaining faithful to his wife. He would
become part of the gay community and thus would place his support amongst
the people who are being wronged. He knows this will cause alot of problems
with his friends and business associates who are not as open-minded as others.
And he doesn't have any idea how he is going to do this, but he desperately
wants to do something. 

I have several problems with this.
1: He is not homosexual. (I don't believe he is in denial) He vows that he would 
not be unfaithful to his wife and not take a lover, but "would have a partner." 
Whomever his partner is could get seriously hurt. (mentally and emotionally) and
by "becoming gay" he is saying that he believes homosexuality is a person's
choice not something that can only be a certain way. (I don't know how else to
say this, but I believe that a homosexual person is homosexual at birth, and
there is nothing that can be done to make that person "be" heterosexual.)

2: He seems to wish to be a martyr, but I think his method will hurt and insult
more than help and aid. The community that he wishes to help may view him
as an outsider or worse an enemy. And therefore he coul cast off some of his 
friends to only have his new friends shun him. (Not a very tenable situation)

3: There must be better ways for a heterosexual person to fight the injustices
against homosexuals than to artifically become one. 

Am I off base? 

I would not have as many concerns if my father had said "Son, I'm gay", but
this seriously distrubs me.
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: One hell of a wake-up call.
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:18:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.153709.25733@watson.ibm.com> sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy) writes:
>
>This saturday morning, I received a phone call from my father, a member of 
>Downtown United Presbteryan (sp?) Church in Rochester, NY. (Home of
>Janie Spahr, the lesbian pastor who is being barred from her congregation.)
>For more information about Janie reply via e-mail.
>
>He feels very strongly about the stubbornness and "un-christian" behavior
>of the people who oppose the congregation's choice for pastor. He explained
>that he "wanted to become gay" (his words) to make himself a target for the
>injustices that are committed against homosexuals.

Perhaps he should warm up by using shoe polish to become African-American.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: jeffp@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey L Powell)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: A Little help from my friends
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:50:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


Hello,

About a month ago I had a heart attack at an all to early age.

I posted here and asked for support...I got it . Thanks to all
who responded with encouragement and wisdom.

I'm going to ask for support one more time. Thursday of this
week I go in for a stress test to see how I'm recovering.
I'd appreciate it if a few others I don't even know are
pulling for me...You don't need to respond but this test might
be easier if I knew there were a few wishing me well..

Thanks for all...and I can ever return the favor ask....

Jeff
jeffp@riverwhy.PEN.TEK.COM



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