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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:45:45 GMT

In article <1de46gINNkps@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:
>In article <Bx9Jp0.3Du@dexter.mi.org>, jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) writes:
>|> In article <u734120.720953366@bruny> u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:
>|> >shades of the dreaded pip command of CP/M and DEC fame - this also was a
>|> >copy command which was pip <destination> <source>
>|> 
>|> I agree that the PIP syntax seems backwards, but in all fairness, you
>|> left out the equals sign.  It's "PIP destination = source".  It really
>|> isn't much stranger than "x = 1".
>|> -- 
>|> Jay Rouman  (jsr@dexter.mi.org  jsr@ais.org)
>
>Actually, even longer ago, it was
>  pip dest <-  source
>where the left arrow was a valid character on KSR38s and other wild machines.

When I started with the PDP-10, the model 33 teletypes had a left-arrow
key and it was used as described.  But it became an under-score, and the
up-arrow became a caret.  The caret isn't too far removed from up-arrow,
so up-arrow-C and the like was still acceptable, and is usually read as
"control-C" anyway.  A print option to this effect was even called "arrow
mode".

But the underscore was unacceptable, so someone decided to use = as an 
alternate character.  Newer stuff dropped the underscore altogether, and
just use = (CP/M PIP).

Newer still systems just use <command> <input> <output> without
any separators at all, on the theory that it flows that way, so
you don't need it.  (Also some systems used = as a separator in this order
which totally confuses one who switches.)

In my proprietary system for the PDP-8 (P?S/8) I allow a dual command syntax:

.PAL BAR<FOO    or
.PAL FOO>BAR

The brackets "point" at the output side, so "FOO" is input and "BAR" is output
in both examples.  You must supply either.  IF there is no output, then:

.PAL FOO

is acceptable, but the only way to have output without input would be:

.PAL>BAR   or
.PAL BAR<

DEC's OS/8 family generally uses the .PAL BAR<FOO variety only.  Some versions
allow = as well as <.  Originally it was intended to be the back-arrow
character, but when it became underscore, this was abandoned.

cjl
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:15870 comp.unix.admin:6077
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:03:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ferranti.id.91QU.SF2
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

In article <FISCHER.92Nov3011448@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
> Peter> That way I know all my numbers work, and the saved spreadsheet
> Peter> is documentation on *why* things are that way.

> I hope you print it out

Generally, no. I *do* keep it on a floppy, but we have so many systems around
here that:
	1. All the printouts would be more than slightly wasteful.
	2. If things are ever so bad I can't get a single system up to
	   read the floppy I'm hosed anyway.
-- 
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true(<<VV$@\\$'&O 9$O%'$LT$&$"V6"$&$<4$?'&$ #I&&?$=$<<@)24 24 scale 3 21 moveto
{dup 36 eq{pop not}{dup 7 and 4 sub exch 56 and 8 div 4 sub 2 index{rlineto}{
rmoveto}ifelse}ifelse}forall stroke pop showpage % Har du kramat din varg idag?
From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:07:45 GMT
Organization: UB

What was the very first computer game?  When I say computer game, I mean a
game that would not exist without the computer. (ex: ZORK, Adventure,
Pac-Man, but not computer Tic-Tac-Toe or computer chess.)

-- 
David Thomas Dudek /  v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet     \     __   _ The Cybard
 State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu   \   /  `-' )      ,,, 
   of New York   / "If music be the food of love, \  | | ()|||||||[:::}
    @ Buffalo   /   play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare    \ `__.-._)      '''
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Wanted: Altair 8000 or Imsai 8080 and Modem
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:56:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

In article <drice.720839003@ponder> drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu
(Keith Rice) writes:

>What I thought was funny was when they were at NORAD and were "conversing"
>with WOPR was that the speech synthesis was still available even though
>there weren't any speech boxes around.

     I always wished that I could get 9600 bps through an acoustic
coupler like he was doing.  But I did hack a relay into my 300-bps
"Manual Mini Modem", wired to DTR, so that I could pulse-dial under
program control...

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
I'm looking for the stationery department but they keep moving it.
From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: VAXen then and now
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:20:52 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov10.225359.4561@spatula.rent.com>, azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:
> What is the difference between an 11/780 and say a 9000 (the most powerful
> VAXen today, excluding the new 7000 and 10000)? They are both VAX processors
> Is it just a difference in speed? I know that some have instructions
> emulated, but so long as it offers all VAX instructions, its still a VAX.
> If it offered a different instruction set, it wouldnt be a VAX.

Well, there have been a number of things come and go in the VAX instruction
set. H-floating first appeared about the time that the /750 showed up, if
I remember correctly. /780 users got an update floppy to add the microcode.
The MicroVAX omitted some of the instructions (CRC, packed decimal) and
provided support for MACRO code to execute them. The MicroVAX also 
omitted PDP-11 emulation mode. I don't know if the 9000 has it, but I
would be surprised if it did.

A recent change has been to the Page Table Entry format. The old PTEs could
only describe a 512MB physical address space. The 6510 and up use a new
page table format that can describe a 32-bit physical address space.
-- 

Roger Ivie                      "My God! That computer is full of Pentium!
ivie@cc.usu.edu                  It's a wonder that you haven't been turned
                                 into mutants!"
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 22:47:35 -0500 
From: "Demian A. Johnston" <daj+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Viper!

Can you tell us another story from the GI joe cartoons?
    Demian  <daj+@CMU.EDU>   <dj1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Shy Ghosts
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:07:59 GMT

Ever notice how most ghost stories are set in big old houses, at night, and
when people are alone.  Who is more frightening?  A ghost or a human?
*chuckle*  Where are all the ghost stories taking place at 3pm in a
crowded flurocessntly lit office?  I think that is the best argument
against the existence of ghosts, not that Im making it.  I love reading
these stories:).   Just kibbutzing:)

Steve R
From: aec1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Allen Chen)
Subject: Re: Shy Ghosts & A Question
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:31:37 GMT

sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:

>I have been intrigued by the reply's to my "shy ghost" post, especially
>by the claim that ghosts are around all of the time for those with
>perceptual abilities sensitive enought to see them.

>Do these sensitive people, seeing these ghosts, take it as a proof
>of an afterlife or of a particular religion.  Do they believe
>a ghost is just like a person, except they have no body?

>1.  Could it be that some trauma perserved the essence of a person
>    in a ghost, only to dissipate into nothingness later?

>2.  Could it be that ghosts are nonsentient phenomena like a rainbow?

>Fascinating, very fascinating

>Steve

The Chinese say people who are more able to sense (mainly see) ghosts have
"Yin-Yang eyes."  I have a theory about this thing, but it's rather sketchy
and you probably don't want to hear it. :)  Anyways, my answers to your
questions:  (and these are only my answers, so dont flame me if yours differ!
post them and compare instead!)
1. I think this is possible and also likely.  However, I wouldn't go as
   far as saying this is true for all "ghosts" since there seem to be many
   different types of ghosts.  One hypothesis suggests that a traumatic
   experience will cause an emotional imprint to be left in the environment
   in which the experience occurs.  This is then "played back" repeatedly
   like a record (or should I say CD).  It is possible that they 
   "dissipate into nothingness" after some time, IMO.  However, I have
   one problem with this hypothesis -- that is, why don't you ever hear
   about ghosts of living persons?  For instance, a traumatic experience
   does not have to involve death, so why don't you hear about ghosts of
   the living.  (I have heard of ONE case of a ghost of a living person,
   but cannot remember the details, unfortunately).
2. This is more or less the same answer as #1.  If the ghost is a result
   of a traumatic experience, then it could be just a recording.  This 
   hypothesis supports the phenomenon of some ghosts doing the same things
   over and over and not seeming to notice any viewers.  However, as I
   stated before, I think there are several types of ghosts (some new
   terminology would be nice!) and some of which may be sentient!

What does everyone else think about this?

-------
Allen Chen       Parapsychology Hobbyist :)
aec1@cornell.edu
=======
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: The "Death Car" (was Re: Real Story)
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:28:06 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: alamo.intel.com
Originator: smintz@alamo


Yes there is room for all on here....however you were playing the all knowing judge,
who are you to call Albert a Liar....you don't know him, and you do not know for
a fact his friend didn't relate this story, and perhaps even expirience this
event...just because it is in folk lore, doen't mean it isn't still a happening
event....I am trying to just keep an open mind.....And you sir, were out of
line...
Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: michaelg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Greenwald)
Subject: Re: The "Death Car" (was Re: Real Story)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  9 Nov 92 15:01:02 GMT

tgtchb@tb1.chem.tue.nl (Harold C.L. Baur) writes:

>   Talking about old stories that we all know... is there an official
>   version of the good ol' MONKEYS PAW ? Or was that one never put to
>   paper? Does anyone out here have it? Or willingly to tell it?

"The Monkey's Paw" by W. W. Jacobs.  It's a short story; the rights
were held by Dodd, Mead & Company".
From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: white dog
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:42:13 -0600
Summary: ?????
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov9.173824.25811@odin.corp.sgi.com>, jgitomer@moshster.clubfed.sgi.com (Jay


> Now my grandfather wasn't a superstitious man and he was a great dog-lop-To: 
> O


        I'm sorry, did my computer eat part of the last of this story? What do
you mean by dog-lop-To: ??  It was nice till I got confused.....  No disrespect
intended.   later...

                                                        Diana McMurtrey
From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: A Hufford experience. 
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:55:13 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov11, posmond@bmerh531.bnr.ca (Paul Osmond) writes:
> This is my first time posting to the network so excuse any lack of network
> jargon or format.
> 
> Anyway, the artical about the Death Cars were somebody mentions the
> Newfoundland
>  old hag experiences and how this guy Hufford did some studies about them, is 
> of special interest to me.  Eventhough this artical is being written in Ottawa,
> I am from Newfoundland and have had experiences like the type known as the Old
> Hag.  However, I don't beleive that being from Newfoundland has anything to 
> do with it.
> 
> An Old Hag is the feeling just waking up after a short nap and having the 
> sensation of weight pressing down upon you, to the point where you can't move
> any muscle in your body.   I have had this happen to many times and to me it
> seems to be a state between consciousness and unconsciousness.  In this state,
> if I remember correctly, everything seems sort of surreal and to be quite
> honest I'm not sure if my eyes are open and I'm seeing the room around me or
> if my eys are closed and I am dreaming about the room.
> 
> The feeling of a heavy weight pushing down upon you, in my case, seems to be
> an inaccurate discription.   For me the sensation is more like my consciousness
> is trapped inside my head looking out through my eye holes and nothing in my 
> body responds to the actions I want to take.  I remember the feeling to be 
> very frustrating instead of the feeling of my muscles fighting against a great
> weight.
> 
> I haven't read anything by this guy Hufford and I wonder if my experiences
> are along the same ones he talks about.
> 
> For those of you who don't know where Newfoundland is, it is that big island
> on the east coast of Canada, and there the Old Hag experiences are known as
> "Hag Dreams".
> 
> 						Lots of Luck

> 						Paul

Sounds like cardiac problems to me.....

Otherwise, it could be out of body experiences, a spirit, witchcraft etc.

I've had the experience when I just couldn't wake up properly and my limbs felt
like lead.  Every thing was surreal....  Of course my doctor tells me its due
to iron deficent anemia and low blood pressure.  What does he know.

Also, thanks I didn't know where NF was, I thought it was close to England
maybe I'm thinking of Greenland.  Sorry, I teach accounting not geography.

The head of the marketing dept walked in midway through this response and said
the feeling sounded familiar to him also.  HA Patzer! thats what you get for 
reading my mail over my shoulder.....I get to talk about you..stop
that...kjdfja[...stopl....saNO you can NOT erase the message................



                                                Listening in

                                                Diana Kay McMurtrey


****These are not the views of the University of Northern Iowa******
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Ghost stories vs. urban legends
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:07:54 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: alamo.intel.com
Originator: smintz@alamo


In article <1992Nov6.173445.10078@news.acns.nwu.edu>, casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith) writes:
> 
> Re ghost stories or ghost happenings: I don't mind reading outright "stories"
> in this list as long as they're labelled that way.  There is a real mix here
> of actual hauntings and just-plain-stories, and when people don't say what
> they are it's confusing. IMHO.
> 
> Catherine Arnott Smith
What diffrence does it make?
Stephen
From: owens@hilbert.wharton.upenn.edu (Susan Owens)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: The Death Car and the Real Story
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:42:27 GMT
Distribution: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>I hesitate to bring this up here, but this subject has been 
>given non-supernatural explanations...and it is apparently 
>quite common in the medical community. 
>
>However, rather than burst a previous poster's bubble of 
>having an "open mind," I'll not give the supposed rationalization
>of this topic unless the alt.folklore.ghost-stories community 
>requests it...
>

Yes I would be very interested to hear the explaination.  This has
happened to me and I would like to know the cause.  If you would
prefer not to post it here please E-mail me.  

  - Susan
owens@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: sullivan@genesis.b21.ingr.com (Howard Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Army ghosts
Organization: Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, Alabama
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:02:10 GMT

I heard a story of seeing soldiers in an old Confederate cemetary in south
Mississippi many years ago.  This was told to me by two (2) brothers actually
involved in the incident.

It was in 1964, October 31 to be exact.  Several teenage boys had planned to
visit a Confederate cemetary located between Lucedale, Mississippi and Wiggins,
Mississippi. on Halloween night.  There were rumors that Confederate soldiers
could be seen at night marching through the cemetary carrying red lanterns.  It
seemed like the appropriate thing to do on a Halloween night.

One of them was a next door neighbor, Carrol, who had an older brother, Wayne.
Wayne and some of his friends, then in their early twenties, heard about the plan
of the younger boys.  Wayne and his friends purchased a red lantern and went to
the cemetary to hide and wait for the unsuspecting teenagers.  Near midnight,
Wayne crouched behind a tombstone.  Minutes later he saw the glow of the red
lantern.  Turning to warn his friend to keep the lantern hidden, he saw a squad
of Confederate soldiers behind him.  Even though Wayne weighed over 225 pounds,
he jumped over the 6 foot steel fence surrounding the cemetary on his way to his
car.  Needless to say, he was frightened and extremely puzzled by what he had
seen.  None of his friends would say anything at all about the incident and the
younger boys had earlier decided not to go to the cemetary.

Wayne went back to the cemetary a few days later and went to the home, actually
a shack, adjacent to the cemetary to talk to anyone about the incident.  The old
man who lived in the shack said that he had lived with the soldiers for several
years.  He said that they often came in a night and sat down to talk to him and
would keep him awake all night.  He said he was not afraid but was sometimes
annoyed that they could be so inconsiderate.


-- 
|    Howard Sullivan                           | Intergraph Corp.             |
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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Shy Ghosts
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.155250.2428@msdhsv.ingr.com>,
foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (TheFoxx "AJ") writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.200759.14346@wam.umd.edu>, sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>|> Ever notice how most ghost stories are set in big old houses, at night, and
>|> when people are alone.  Who is more frightening?  A ghost or a human?
>|> *chuckle*  Where are all the ghost stories taking place at 3pm in a
>|> crowded flurocessntly lit office?  I think that is the best argument
>|> against the existence of ghosts, not that Im making it.  I love reading
>|> these stories:).   Just kibbutzing:)
>|>   --Steve R
   If you talk to someone that claims to be able to "see" they will
tell you that they are there all the time, the only diff between
three in the afternoon and three in the morning is that OUR perception
is not at its peek for this type of thing at three in the afternoon.
     --Ed
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Hypnogogic Hallucinations
From: connorm@vax.sonoma.edu (Michelle Connor)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:19 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Those symptoms that were described (waking up suddenly, not being able to move, 
feeling something pressing down on you, tremendous sense of fear,  and/or
seeing someone move quickly toward you)  have been documented (at least in my
psych class text) as hypnogogic hallucinations....I forget exactly why they 
happen, but  I know that's what they're called....Also, they're very common!


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: davest@cis.umassd.edu (Dave N. St. Pierre)
Subject: My little poltergiest
Summary: The poltergeist that visited me.
Keywords: poltergeist
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:29:55 GMT

Hello all,
	I know this isn't much to speak of but it is what happened
to me.
	Now as far as I know a poltergeist (please excuse the spelling
if it is wrong) is a temporary ghost.
	Now when I was about 13 or so, I spent a lot of time alone
reading. I was doing this one afternoon in my bedroom that I shared
with my three brothers (it is a very large room) and from under the bed
I heard the cry of a baby. I didn't look under the bed until several
hours later and of course I found nothing. I just went down stairs and 
joined my parents watching TV because I got creaped out. A few nights
later I woke in the middle of the night and heard the baby crying again
only this time across the room. All three of my brothers remained sleeping
and the crying only lasted a few minutes so after a while I fell back to
sleep. I never heard the baby crying again.
	The only other close to ghost experience I've had is the time
that my best friend and I were going for a drive to the beach in extremely
dense fog one night. Halfway to the beach I got this INTENSE feeling that
there would be a girl or young woman walking in the center of the street
wearing only a flowing white dress (like a nightgown) and we would run
her down. The vision was so intense that I couldn't shake it nd could 
nearly see her in front of the car in the fog. I got so hysterical and
incistent that he turned the car around nd we went home. I know this
isn't much of a ghost story and probably belongs on alt.paranormal
but I though you all might be interested in it.
			Dave St.
			(davest@cis.umassd.edu)
From: sullivan@genesis.b21.ingr.com (Howard Sullivan)
Subject: RE:  The Viper!
Organization: Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:35:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.222302.2649@bvc.edu>, meierdalepau@bvc.edu writes:
|> 	The Viper story was a subplot in an episode of GI Joe with the end 
|> Dale Meier

I didn't realize that GI Joe and that bunch had been around for 30 years.  I
guess as a person gets older, he loses all relationship to time.  I heard the
"Viper" story at a boys camp in 1958 or 1959 but at that time it was the "Vasha"
or "Vindow Vasha" (window washer).

-- 
|    Howard Sullivan                           | Intergraph Corp.             |
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|    sullivan@genesis.b21.ingr.com  (Internet) | 205-730-6517                 |