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From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: East Bay Breakfast...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:28:57 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1jlj3pINNhsi@usenet.pa.dec.com>,
ed@weir.pa.dec.com (Ed Gould) writes:
>> The Westside Bakery Cafe is even better.
>
>Until you eat there two or three times, and realize that everything
>tastes the same.
>
>--
>Ed Gould          ed@pa.dec.com         Digital Equipment Corporation
>+1 415 688 1309   Network Systems Lab   181 Lytton Ave, Palo Alto, CA  94301
>
>"Unison is only one form of harmony." -- LW

I was impressed with the Westside Bakery Cafe's menu, but not with
the food.  In the East Bay you must have breakfast at the Homemade
Cafe.

Janet W.
From: dfuden@alba.net.com (David Fudenberg)
Subject: Re: Help finding Hakka and Crabs
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:24:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.213112.22416@netcom.com> jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:
>I've been looking for a good Hakka style crab restaurant in the
>South Bay Area....just like the ones you find in Hong Kong...
>anyone have any ideas?
>
>

Not on the Peninsula, but in the city (SF) check out the two Ton Kiang locations on Geary (Richmond District) and the Don Kiang on Broadway in Chinatown for excellent Hakka food.


Newsgroups: ba.food
From: cgoldman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charles Goldman)
Subject: Re: Where do we Eat on the Peninsula??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:01:22 GMT

In article <42876@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) asks for
late night, 'real' dining.

Here are more suggestions: Fu Lam Mum (chinese) on Castro, near Dana
in Mountain View.  open till midnight, I believe.  High quality
chinese food at moderate prices.  Often full to capacity.  You may get
bored with their menu if you go too often, but the food is good.  Try
a clay pot with sea critters and tofu.

Jing Jing (off University in Palo Alto, on Emerson) serves a very
slightly abrdiged menu till 11:30 or midnight Tuesday through
Saturday, I think.  Excellent for vegitarians and spicy food lovers.

I second the nomination for DiCicco's.  Real food and real waiters/waitresses.
>DiCicco's, an Italian restaurant on El Camino in Santa Clara between San
>Tomas and Bowers. 
>	sun..thur until 11 pm; fri, sat until midnight.

Charles Goldman
charles@siher.Stanford.EDU
From: royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: speaking of Oakland Chinatown resturnats
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:27:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
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0000-Admin(0000) (chop_michael@tandem.com) wrote:
> But ifyou're in the mood for an open late noddle shop,
> go to SUN HONG KONG.   it's open 'till
> 3am, and is a favorite hangout.

I used to eat here a lot.  I found the food to on the whole excellent,
but the quality is somewhat variable (in keeping with the
place's atmosphere), and I have had dishes ranging from fantastic to,
on one occassion, horrible. 

One time, we finally ordered two different sea food dishes after
the waiter strenuously attempted to inform us, as we later realized
(in what might charitably be described as broken English), that they
were the same fish.  We finally prevailed and called him over when
fish in the dishes was the same.  He got another waiter, who looked at
the menu, and told us that the English translation for one of the dishes
was incorrect.

At one point I knew the manager of the restaurant, and would sometimes
order dishes not on the menu.  He even wrote them down (in Chinese) on
the back of his card, so I could just pull it out and point to what I
wanted.

> they have recently opened another store in berkeley.

We now eat at the Berkeley store.  More convenient for us and not really seedy
(which pleases my wife, but not me).  But the food seems to be lacking
that elusive something that elevates it to the often delicious tastes of
the Oakland location, though it's still very good.

> my favorite is the hong kong style chow mein.  deep fried noodles
> covered with gravied vegatables sea food.

I think their chow fun dishes are great, as is their shell fish and
steamed steel head.

> It's a bit on the seedy side as well.  Someone was shot there a
> couple of years ago during a boyfriend
> girlfriend dispute, so you should be in the mood for the atmosphere.

One of its attractions, for me.

				-- Roy
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: How do you clean a cheese grater? :)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:44:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.195548.363@netcom.com> salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) writes:
>Y'know, one of those box kind, with all the little rough edges? I'm sure
>there's got to be a better way than chewing up my sponges and hands (when I
>slip). I figured I'd ask here.... 
>
>	Perhaps a small brush/toothbrush?
>

if you're referring to the 4-sided ones - I use warm to hot water which
helps 'melt' the cheese as soon as I can after using it, then I take a
vegetable brush (or any brush that you have around  that you clean
dishes with), put a little soap on the brush the grater in the opposite
direction of the cutting edges, then I use the brush on the inside
to get any cheese still in there or attached to the inside - then rinse it
well & let drip dry, e.g.,
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From: ed@weir.pa.dec.com (Ed Gould)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: East Bay Breakfast...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:44:08 GMT
Organization: DEC Network Systems Lab, Palo Alto
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> In the East Bay you must have breakfast at the Homemade Cafe.

Homemade's all right, but I prefer either The Brick Hut (Adeline, a block or
two south of Alcatraz) or Bette's (Fourth Street, north of Hearst).  I also
like the Oakland Grill in the Oakland produce district, but I couldn't tell
you which street.  It's a block or two south of Broadway, near Jack London
Square.

--
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+1 415 688 1309	  Network Systems Lab	181 Lytton Ave, Palo Alto, CA  94301

"Unison is only one form of harmony." -- LW
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen)
Subject: Wedding caterer recommend/condemn
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:52:12 GMT

My daughter will be getting married. It will be in some wedding
garden place in Montara. Are there any recommendations for a
reasonably priced caterer? Not clear yet whether it will be
sit-down or buffet.

Would also be interested in knowing any to avoid, and the reason.

Would prefer caterer in north peninsula, given the wedding location.
(For those who don't know, Montara is on the coast between SF and
Half Moon Bay.)

Reply by e-mail. I'll post summary if there seems to be any interest
on anyone else's part.

..
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Newsgroups: ba.food
From: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Christil's Thursday Dinner
Reply-To: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:36:30 GMT

Many suggestions were made -- did we ever hear which one
Christil (name from her email) went to?  C'mon, Christil,
spill the beans!

Also, apologies on the Adriatic, it's been three years but, still . . .
I remember the appetizers so fondly.  Well, you know how restaurants
are, and why ba.food is so valuable!

P.S. Anyone know of any great South Bay winetasting bars, like
VinVinoWine in Palo Alto?
From: colleen@apple.com (Colleen Delgadillo)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Breakfast Places in SF?
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:28:48 GMT
Followup-To: ba.food
Organization: Apple Computer

I know San Francisco is known for its places to go for dinner, but where
are some great places to go if you want Breakfast?  The only great places I
know of where you get hearty delicious meals have been in the Berkeley area
(ie: Fat Apples & West Side Bakery and Cafe).  Now that I am in San
Francisco I am hoping that there are some places just like that here too! 
Do you know of any great places like these in SF?

Colleen Kelley Delgadillo 
DTS Hardware Chick
Email: colleen@apple.com 
Applelink: LEENIE
From: keb@corsa.corp.sgi.com (Kerstin "cherston" Barley)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: OK, where's the Greek food?
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:04:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


|> A little ot of the Bay Area is Dinelli's Diner on Pescadero Road,
|> Pescadero.
|> Excellent diner. Run by retired 4* Greek chef & his wife. They won't let
|> you
|> leave until you're satisfied.
|> 
|> NB: They are only open from about April through November. When the
|> weather is
|> poor in Pescadero, they travel elsewhere.

While I'd just as soon see Dinelli's kept a secret ;-), I would hate for
them to lose any business unnecessarily.  They did close for 6 weeks in
Oct/Nov, but have been open since Thanksgiving.  I ate there one weekend in
Dec, and only last weekend was coerced into Duarte's because my friends
didn't want to wait for a table at Dinelli's.  

Quality and Quantity are terrific.

Kerstin

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From: nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu (Nomi L. Harris)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Affordable dining in *downtown* SF?
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:39:37 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

Sometimes I go to plays or other events downtown, and I would like to be
able to park once (e.g. Sutter & Stockton garage) and eat dinner and then
walk to the site of entertainment.  (This Saturday, for example, I'll be
seeing a play at Geary @ Mason.)  The Union Square area seems to have
plenty of department stores, but not very many restaurants, and those that
I've seen there look somewhat overpriced.  Can anyone recommend a good
place to eat in that area?  It doesn't have to be dirt-cheap, but I don't
like feeling ripped off, y'know?

BTW, has anyone tried Val 21 on Valencia (which is in the Mission, not
downtown)?  I read a good review and am thinking of taking some friends
there, but would like to hear first-hand opinions.

	Nomi Harris
	nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu
From: fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:09:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

OK, now I have a friend who is getting married and she is
looking for a good band.  She wants a group that is REALLY
flexible, as she wants them to be able to play mostly
Mowtown, but also perhaps more "modern rock/rock of the
80's" stuff and perhaps the Hora (sp?) as well.  If you
could post or send me some names and phones that would be
great.

Also, has anyone had any good florists they could recommend
in the city?

Thanks!

Stephanie
fishkin@aludra.usc.edu
From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: How do you clean a cheese grater? :)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:55:48 GMT
Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc.

Y'know, one of those box kind, with all the little rough edges? I'm sure
there's got to be a better way than chewing up my sponges and hands (when I
slip). I figured I'd ask here.... 

	Perhaps a small brush/toothbrush?

Pat
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From: mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re:  OK, where's the Greek fod?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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And don't forget Vasilly's on Mission in Santa Cruz!
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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Fourth Street Grill
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:38:19 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
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dx @ netcom:

> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the Fourth Street Grill 
> was closed and completely revamped this past Fall.  The entire
> interior was redone, the menu retooled, etc.  I believe it is under 
> completely new ownership as well.  The "new" Fourth Street Grill 
> has been open for only a couple of months.

Good point.  This was discussed in the Chronicle's review.
Which, BTW, was a remarkable pan.  It was authored by their
food editor, rather than one of their critics, was based
on many visits to the restaruant, and came down on them
for everything from "abyssmal" salads to mis-stored wine to
"untrained" waitstaff.

I would say the Chron did a once-per-decade, total complete hosing.
To rub salt in the wound, they had a glowing article about
Spenger's (right next to 4th St.) on the same page!!!

(But it's true if you order correctly, you're better off
at Spenger's.  Try their scallop sandwich.   Yum!!!
A deal, too.)

So apparently, boring as it was before the change in owners,
the 4th St. is really pretty crummy now.  Even though 
I'm sure they're terrible it is almost hard to
believe they're quite as completely awful as the Chron
says.  Certainly, no restaturant deserves to get
dumped on more after going downhill than 4th street,
since they always were way overrated and undeservedly
popular, even when they were okay.  Way to go, Chron!!
Stick the knife in, and twist it...

Steve

Steve
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: vonzelow@adobe.com (Jon von Zelowitz)
Subject: Re: East Bay Breakfast...
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:25:22 GMT

No discussion of East Bay breakfast is complete without mention of
LOIS THE PIE QUEEN!

They have home cooking style breakfasts. I typically have 2 eggs,
grits, and homemade biscuits for $3.75. There are lots of other
choices including sausage, ham, links, bacon, pork chops, waffles, hot
cakes, and fried chicken. Lunch is also served, and dinner is served
on Sundays (I've never gone for anything but breakfast.)

The best part is the homemade baked goods, which vary, but typically
include some kind of muffin, and:
 Sweet Potato, Apple, Pecan, Mixed Berry, and Lemon Icebox Pie
 and Peach Cobbler
Eat at least one of these per visit for maximum enjoyment.
None of them are typical. I particularly enjoy her take on Sweet
Potato Pie. The Peach Cobbler is a breakfast by itself.

The food is great and portions are generous. Service is friendly.
There is a counter as well as tables. Lois' has a pleasant
neighborhood atmosphere with none of the yuppie cafe feeling shared by
many of the other places mentioned in this thread. It is usually not
crowded; weekends are busier.
	
Lois is located at the corner of 60th Street and Adeline Street in
North Oakland. This is one block west of Martin Luther King Way, and
there is a small black and white sign at the corner of MLK and 60th to
help you out. Nearest freeway exit: CA-24 to MLK.

Lois the Pie Queen, 851 60th Street, Oakland CA 94608. (510) 658-5616.
Mon-Fri 7am-2pm, Sat 7am-3pm, Sun 7am-6pm. No credit cards or checks.

   Jon von Zelowitz   vonzelow@mv.us.adobe.com   ...uunet!adobe!vonzelow
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food,rec.food.drink
Subject: Re: Great Wine Tasting Bars in South Bay (was: Christil's Thursday Dinner)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:29 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1993Jan26.193630.29652@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>
>P.S. Anyone know of any great South Bay winetasting bars, like
>VinVinoWine in Palo Alto?

Beltramo's, on teh peninnsula is one that comes to mind - although its
a liquor store that has tstings, not just a bar

also, The Best in Aptos does a similar thing

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From: tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com (Stella M. Tsoi)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:36:23 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com (Stella M. Tsoi)
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I saw some very nice B+B in Pacific Grove, somewhere in the vicinity of the
American Canning Outlet, facing the ocean. It looked really nice on the outside anyway. You may want to check under Pacific Grove under AAA's tour guide. We stayed at hotels/motels at Monterey last couple of times and it was expensive and bland.

Have anyone tried the Sardine Factory at Monterey?  I thought they are supposed
to be pretty famous. We went to Outrigger's last time; the service was slow,
the food mediocre.  I wouldn't recommend it.  Actually most of the restaurants/
hotels in Monterey felt like tourist traps.  We did found one casual place for
breakfast that was really good- it's right next to the factory outlet at Pacific
Grove.  Can't remember the full name, but it has "hamburger" something in it.

There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of restaurants or hotels around San
Simeon.  As I recalled, we had to stop for gas in a teeny bit of a combo gas
station/grocery store at San Simeon.  Felt like we were in hick country.

Forgot how far Solvang is from San Simeon.  Maybe nice to detour there for
food, lodging and sight-seeing.

Just my $.02.

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Digital Equipment Corporation
Irvine, California

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Newsgroups: ba.food
From: curtz@lia.com (Curtz Lam)
Subject: Re: 3 Weeks in LA - HELP!
Reply-To: curtz@lia.com (Curtz Lam)
Organization: Litton/Integrated Automation, Alameda, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:44:58 GMT

In article <42785@unix.SRI.COM> maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak) writes:
>
>About two years ago in LA while visiting in-laws, I was taken out to
>post-theatre food at a strange, grimy, busy late-night hangout in a warehouse
>district that had a vaguely Russian theme, grill and steamtable food
>in huge quantities (Reubens, stuffed cabbage, etc.) and great people-watching
>potential.  As I recall there was music on several nights, too.
>Can anyone tell me the name of this place? It's been around forever,
>so I was told.
>
>Valerie Maslak

	If it's in downtown LA, it must be Gorky's.  It's in a very
"exciting" part of town, comparable to Tommy's on Rampart.  I used to
hang out there quite often when I was at SC.  It is a very funky
little place, open till dawn, very good omelette.  Definitely drop by
if you are in the neighborhood.

	My favorite LA restaurants: Lawry's Prime Rib on La Cienega
and Wilshire, the Four Seasons on Santa Monica and Beverly, the Water
Grill in the Baltmore Hotel.


								Curtz

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From: jojo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joanne Spetz)
Subject: Re: Where do we Eat on the Peninsula??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:03:01 GMT

shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:

>1) Has to be able to seat folks for dinner at about 10pm on a Friday
>night;
>2) Has to have a real menu and real waiting service; and
>3) Has to serve coffee and dessert.

Along the quieter line (meaning chain restaurant), you can try
Marie Callendar's in Los Altos.  They're open until 11pm and meet your
three criteria.  We eat there often because the food is predictable and
they're open later than most restaurants.

Tied House in Mountain View (other locations as well) has a late-night
dinner menu of (mostly) burgers and such.  Please see previous flames
about their food.  I like their beer.

Jing Jing of Palo Alto was advertising in the Stanford paper late-night
food service.  I'm not sure if they maintained their hours, but they
were open til about midnight on weekends, maybe later.  Their dessert menu
is probably lacking, though :)

Good luck.

Joanne

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