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From: farooqi@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Suheb M Farooqi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Network Problem.
Keywords: ftp,rlogin problems.
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:47:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: risky.1992Oct6.194722.4160
Organization: University of Massachusets, Amherst

Hi! 
I do some sys adm for a Sparc station 1.
It is conneted to internet. Something very queer
is happenin. It seems to go off the network.
What I mean is that rlogin, ftp, lpr ( and other
network related commands stop working.) 
I cant even start Openwindows as a result.
Presently, I reboot the machine with a fasthalt to 
get the machine back onthe network.
 I have tried killing the inetd process and then giving
a new inetd command. However it did not work. I would
really appreciate if someone could tell me what is the
cause and also if there is some way i could get the 
machine back on the network without a fasthalt.
Thanx in advance. 
Please mail replies to 
farooqi@risky.ecs.umass.edu.

- Soheb Far...
From: vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: PC-Xview crashes our PC very often.......
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:52:03 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct5.072512.6885@sunbim.be> db@sunbim.be (Danny Backx) writes:

>In article 6236@klaava.Helsinki.FI, vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka) writes:
>> The software is just buggy.. NCD bought GSS PC-Xview and
>> hurried it to the market.

>Not quite true. But let's not fight about details.

>The current version of PC-Xview for Windows is much more stable than the earlier ones.
>Just try it...

Sorry I can't give you our exact version number.. I'm at home.
But it is NCD blessed version, we even had a salesdroid
from US/Israel to look at the bugs, and i have exchanged mail
with their support... the most annoying bug is in the
8-bit character handling.

If you have xgopher.. or try to use ISO character set in xedit
it just makes lines invisible.
We can't give such product to our customers.. our help desk
would drown to fancy error reports.

They other is in private colormap handling.
This one crashes the PC. They have a SPR for it.

And then there are 'unsupported' Windows displays..

We have tried some Windows X servers.. PCXview would be allright
if it did not have the bugs.

--
Vesa Halkka                       -O___/ 
University of Helsinki CC:         (  /   	 vhalkka@helsinki.fi 
Centre for scientific computing:  ~~~~~  	 vhalkka@csc.fi
From: qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu (James Ralston Crawford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: PROBLEM: OpenWindows 3.0 leaves bogus /etc/utmp entries - suggestions?
Keywords: openwin tty utmp
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:50:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Pittsburgh [CIS]


	We're running SunOS 4.1.2 on our sun4c machines here.  We have
a problem with OpenWindows 3.0: if any Command Tools or Shell Tools
are left open when the user chooses "Exit", their /etc/utmp entries
are not cleared.  Therefore, `users`, `who`, `w`, etc, will report the
user as still being logged in long after he has logged off, until
someone else is assigned the affected tty(s).

	This problem does not occur using an xterm in OpenWindows, or
with anything at all in X11R5.  Only OpenWindows' Command Tool and
Shell Tool appear to have this problem.

	My questions:

1) Has anyone else had this problem?

2) If so (meaning, it's not just a problem that only we have), does
   Sun know about this bug?

3) If so, has Sun produced a patch to fix this bug?

4) If so, what is the patch number?

	And lastly...

5) Can anyone offer a work-around?  (Perhaps a program to remove bogus
   /etc/utmp entries that I can place at the end of the openwin
   startup script, for example.)

	Please reply to me directly.  Thank you.

-- 
James Ralston Crawford \ Advanced Technology Lab                   The
qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu \ qralston@pittvms.bitnet                 Phantom
"Pitiful creature of darkness \ What kind of life have you known"  - of the
"God give me courage to show you \ You are not alone"                 Opera
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: cc_s441@ceres (John Salmon)
Subject: in.named .. too many lines
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:23:43 GMT

oops soory about this one folks. I have sorted this out now.
There must have been an escape character in my file, as I retyped it
and it is ok now.

--
John Salmon
Kingston University Computing Services
(cc_s441@kingston.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,compy.sys.sun.misc
From: brent@terra.Eng.Sun.COM (Brent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: automounter - help needed in hierarchial mount situation
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: brent@terra.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: terra

In article 2342@mlb.semi.harris.com, mwills@su102c.ess.harris.com (Scott Wills) writes:
>
>I might also mention that the timeo= and retrans= values seem to be
>ignored by automount, which makes it pretty useless for distant
>machines.

Seems to work OK for me. Note that in SunOS 4.l NFS uses dynamic retransmission.
This means that the timeo= value you specify is used just as a suggestion.  NFS will
vary that value up and down depending on the mean round trip time of calls to the
server.  The retrans= value is useful only if you're doing "soft" mounts.

You can check the current timeo and retrans values with "nfsstat -m".
---

Made in New Zealand -->  Brent Callaghan  @ SunSoft
			 Email: brent@Eng.Sun.COM
			 phone: (415) 336 1051
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: UUCP between two Suns using WorldBlazers
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:56:25 GMT

In <1992Oct6.072153.7009@panix.com> alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen) writes:

>peterson@ZGNews.LoneStar.Org (Bob Peterson) writes:

>>  The "" P_ZERO expect/send pair forces no parity.

>Fortunately, I'd figured out the CR/LF trick many months and systems and
>UUCP versions ago, so this didn't catch me. However... There doesn't seem
>to be complete documentation of send-expect special commands in the online
>man pages or in the comments of the Dialers or Systems files. 

The only documentation is in the Systems & Network Administration manual.
-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
From: guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip A Guenther)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Xterms on Suns
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:14:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Academic Computing Center, St. Olaf College

In article <7227@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> jgrij@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Joey J. Griffin) writes:

<original post deleted>

<some response too>

   We have an Xterm, RS6000, and Sparc2.  If I am logged onto the 
   RS600 while sitting at the Xterm I can:

   $ rlogin sparc2
   $ setenv DISPLAY sparc2:0.0
   $ xterm &

   This opens up a OW window on my X-term.
   My guess is that you either do not have your DISPLAY set, or
   that you do not have "xhost +" in your .xinitrc file on the Sun.
   The "xhost +" allows other machines to access your Sun.  Suns come
   with this cute :-) little security feature to prevent unauthorized 
   access on various mahines.

   my .xinitrc on the Sparc2 follows:


   ----------- cut here ---------
<large .xinitrc file cut exceopt for...>
   # The following should allow me to bypass the Sun security and plot
   # from the RS6000 onto my machine.  It also should allow David Kan
   # to plot onto his terminal from tethys.
   #
   xhost +
<still more cut>
   ---------------- end cut -------------

Please folks, don't do this unless you trust *everyone* who can
connect to the machine running the X server on port 6000 (the X port).
There are very easy ways to do things like read all of a person's
keystrokes, pass commands to xterms (for execution), etc etc.  This
means that if you are directly on the internet, you shouldn't do this.
The next step up is to xhost +<machine> where <machine> is the name of
the machine you want to run an Xprogram from.  Even better is some
form of authorization, ranging from MIT-MAGIC_COOKIE (in which keys
are passed openly across the net) to SUN-DES (on Sun's (of course),
which uses Sun's publickey functions to pass authorization).  For
those in a college setting, any of these will eliminate such 'fun'
things as other people displaying pictures on your computer, etc.

   Joe Griffin
<Sig cut>

Philip Guenther

--
guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip Guenther)       | The ACC might agree with me,
Student Sys Prog, Academic Computing Center | but with that bunch, (and me)
St Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057-1001  | you never know... :-) :-| :-(
"Life makes sense?  LIFE MAKES SENSE!!?  Where do people get these ideas?"-me
From: brian@panix.com (Brian Childs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: SunOS Security Hole?
Keywords: security
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:59:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep27.202135.16152@cs.unca.edu> brock@cs.unca.edu (J. Dean Brock) writes:
>What does "logon to the pc" mean? -- Are you (1), running PC programs which
>act on files stored on your Sun, or (2), typing commands that are
>executed on the Sun.  And if (1), does PC-Xview allow you to choose which
>Sun account you want to use after your logon as PC user 'rd'?
>[Your message seems to imply that.]
When I said I logon to the pc, I meant that I issued a 'net name *' command
on the pc which then prompted me for a UID & password, after logging on
I was at the dos 'c:\>' prompt.

I am using the sparc station as a file server.

PC-Xview allows me to choose the account and machine it will attempt to 
RSH to and execute the command 'xterm -ls -display ???:0', and no matter
what user I specify (except root) the RSH succeeds.

I don't think that the RSH should succeed since I am trying to RSH between
different accounts.

Brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: SunOS Security Hole?
Keywords: security
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 18:37:19 GMT

In article <jk.718224943@ull> jk@ull.lab.jt.dk (Joergen Kjeldsen) writes:
>I thik your security problem can be solved, by using either /.rhosts or
>/etc/hosts.equiv.

Yes, put explicit hostnames in your /etc/hosts.equiv.  Do NOT put any
more hosts in your /.rhosts than you absolutely need!

>At the other hand, you could at this point have a line in /.rhosts that
>points out your PC?.

Oh boy, I'd love to have this PC!  Better yet, i'd love to be on the same
wire and wait until this PC is turned off!  Whee, free root access.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
Emacs is a fine operating system, but I still prefer UNIX. - Tom Christiansen
From: hbo@octel.com (Howard Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: /usr/etc/mount -vat lo  SunOS 4.0.3 Weirdness
Summary: It doesn't work on boot or  with rsh
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: octel.1992Sep30.163100.18940
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.


  We use loopback mounts here to help with architecture transparency.
When we reboot our Sun3s running SunOS 4.0.3, the mounts fail. This is
the command in rc.local:

/usr/etc/mount -at lo					>/dev/console

and this is a typical loopback mount entry in /etc/fstab:

/usr/local/.bin/sun3-40 /usr/local/bin lo ro,bg   0 0

  The problem also appears when we attempt to do the mounts with rsh:

root@server% rsh blat /usr/etc/mount -vat lo
mount: unknown filesystem type: lo
mount: giving up on:
   /usr/local/bin

Whereas doing it locally as root works fine. It also works with 4.1.1
clients. Anyone seen this one before?




-- 
Howard Owen, Sys Admin		           internet:              hbo@octel.com
Octel Communications Corporation           BITNET:            HBO@VOODOO.BITNET
890 Tasman Dr MS 05-04 Milpitas CA 95035   DECNET Internet:          45180::HBO
"I am not a pay TV service!"               Telephone:       408-321-6576 (work)
From: spedding@spock.usc.edu (Geoff Spedding)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Help please:  SCSI drive disappears following system crash
Date: 26 Sep 1992 14:41:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.usc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Help please:  SCSI drive disappears following crash
Summary: Device driver can't find physical device.
Expires: 
Followup-To:
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords: 

We have a Sparc 4/370 running SunOS 4.1.1, and have recently added a
Micropolis 1528 SCSI disk, with no problems except for the fact that 
when the machine crashes (for whatever reason), the disk is not visible
on reboot.  This problem does not occur on normal reboot.  It appears
to be due to the physical disk not being located by the SCSI device
drivers.  On normal boot up, the disk attributes appear beneath the
appropriate device driver.  Following a crash, however (such as last
night, for example), no disk is reported, fsck cannot open the device,
and the system sits in single user mode.  How can we access this disk
again, without destroying any of last night's data?

Any help would be extremely appreciated.  Thanks.




-- 

Geoff Spedding
spedding@spock.usc.edu
-----------------------
From: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be (Francois Staes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Problem with ypbind
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:16:16 GMT
Reply-To: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be
Organization: U.I.A.

I think I've more or less the same problem. Our NIS master server is a DEC machine,
running NIS without the -B flag for transferring NIS requests to DNS if necessary.

We set up our SUN machine as a slave server, and added the -B flag to ypxfr.
Evertyhing workds fine, except for the fact that at startup ypbind binds to the
master server instead of to our machine itself. I tried by putting a sleep of
some seconds between the invocations of ypserv and ypbind in the rc.local file,
but no cure...

Does anybody have any idea on this ?

Francois Staes
University of Antwerp
Antwerp, Belgium
Email: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: zook@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Craig A Zook 283-4206)
Subject: Re: Changing the timezone
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:21:29 GMT

Thanks to all who responded.  The below answer does the trick.

From: mann@emma.la.asu.edu (Mark Mann)

> localtime is just a hardlink to one of the other files in that directory.
> To set your timezone to US/Arizona do the following:
>
>                cd /usr/lib/zoneinfo
>                rm localtime
>                ln US/Arizona localtime

-- 
Craig Zook   -   zook@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
Systems Engineeering and Administration
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company - Houston Division
(713) 283-4206
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: larry@turing.abbott.com (Larry Pajakowski)
Subject: Re: 4.1.3  VS.  DiskOnline.
Organization: Abbott Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:18:09 GMT

We did run into problems with DiskOnline.  As far as I can tell many of the
utilities which could handle partitions greater than 2GB. or so got
overlaied.  As a result I could not to an mkfs on a meta-disk or an fsck.
After talking with the support folks I pulled the utilities back off the
DiskOnline CD and all was fine.

Larry Pajakowski
Abbott Labs.
larry@turing.abbott.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ryan@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Ryan R. Ramsey)
Subject: Re: Format.dat entry for Micropolis 1598 1.2 G
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:03:18 GMT

In article <BvnI03.295@news.larc.nasa.gov> jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
>Help,
>  I'm looking a format.dat entry for a micropolis 1598 1.2 G drive.
>  Please Help.

Here you go:

1598-15
: ctlr = SCSI \
: ncyl = 1931: acyl = 3: pcyl = 1928: nhead = 15: nsect = 70: \
: rpm = 3600: bpt = 41664: trks_zone = 15: fmt_time = 4: \
: atrks = 45: asect = 8

Hope that helps.
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+------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
| Ryan R. Ramsey   | U.C.L.A. Computer Science Department.           |
| ryan@CS.UCLA.EDU | ..!{uunet,rutgers,ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!ryan      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rsnow@rice.edu (Robert Snow)
Subject: SUN 1.3gig w/690
Summary: How to hook 1.3G SCSI to 690 w/2 IPI Drives
Keywords: 690 SCSI 1.3G
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:45:16 GMT

Does anyone know if/how to hook a 1.3G SCSI to a 690 which has
2 IPI drives in it.  The SUN manual says that external SCSI HD's are
not supported on the 690.

rsnow@proton.rice.edu
 
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From: swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Steve Lodin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NFS mounting /var/spool/mail && file locking
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:31:31 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Originator: swlodin@kocrsw15


In article <1aeavoINNdga@early-bird.think.com>, barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.203648.7075@netcom.com> wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:
> >mosedale@fafner.stanford.edu (Dan Mosedale) writes:
> >>In SunOS, this is done by setting up sendmail.cf to use the
> >>OR command (see /usr/lib/sendmail.subsidiary.cf).
> >When the R option is enabled, *all* mail gets delivered through the
> >mail host.  The From: address on outbound mail gets set to the name
> >of your domain, rather than your individual hostname.  This is not
> >always the correct thing to do.
> 
> The context of the suggestion was that everyone is NFS-mounting
> /usr/spool/mail from the mail host.  In that case, why wouldn't it be
> correct for the From: address to be an address that gets delivered to that
> host?
> 
> Clearly, any machine that has its own /usr/spool/mail would not use this
> feature, but that's not what we're talking about.

I don't know what he meant, but I interpreted it this way:

When all mail goes thru the mailhost with some obscure name that the
users don't like, it is not preferred.  The users would like their
mail to come from user@joe-cool.domain instead of user@obscure-name.domain.
We had that problem here, but squashed it.

Steve
-- 
Steve Lodin	Internet: swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com  UUCP: deaes!swlodin

"The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are
those that aren't there."  --  Gordon Bell
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: presnell@stat.ufl.edu (Brett Presnell)
Subject: finger problem on NIS clients
Organization: University of Fl, Department of Statistics
Distribution: comp
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:33:12


Ok, this is probably a dumb one, but the folks in this group have been
pretty good about answering my other questions, and none of our sys
admin types has come up with an answer, so bear with me.  I AM trying to
RTFM, but it's not really my job ... (publish or perish for me).

We have about 35 IPX's and ELC's running as NIS clients to a 670 NIS
master.  Everything is SunOS 4.1.3.  Finger works fine on the server
(even finger user@master from a client), but fails on the clients,
occasionally spawning runaway fingers that sit around a chew up cpu
time.  In fooling around with this, I've discovered that any user that's
in the passwd stub in /etc can be successfully fingered on the clients,
but of course that includes almost no one.  Anytime finger needs to go
to the yp maps, it fails.  Everything else that depends on yp for the
passwd file seems to work fine.

So, what did we miss?

Brett Presnell		presnell@stat.ufl.edu
From: jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: quota management utility
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:15:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: solaria.Bv73yD.Iot
Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI

Another way to do this, if your quotas are all going to be the same, is
to use "edquota -p <proto-user> <new-user>".  That's what I've done here,
since I set all quotas to be the same as user "guest", except for a few 
system people which have other quotas.  This has the benefit of being easy
to remember and can be adapted to other situations.

It will certainly NOT allow, however, the values to be set to something
which haven't already been set as another user's quotas.

I'm working on a SunOS-based "user information editor", which would probably
be able to fill the bill for the "management utility" originally described,
although it is a much more comprehensive package (all common account
management functions handled).

... Joe

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Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI			   414/321-9287
From: campillo@gdwest.gd.com (Bill Campillo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Raster image on HP LaserJet II
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:13:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corp.

Hi,

I have a Sun SPARCSta 1 with a HP LaserJet II.  The user
wants to print raster images on that printer (and perhaps
others, but especially that).  There is no vf entry in my
printcap for that printer.  I have been unable to find a
file which looks like it might be a raster filter, nor
have I found any distribution media for the printer (I
suppose the driver came with the OS).  The printer manual
has not been helpful.

I can, and will talk to HP and/or Sun, but, since I really
don't have much of a clue as to what it is I am talking about,
I thought I would ask you first.

I've managed lots of Apollos, but Suns, while more standard,
certainly handle printing differently.

In summary, I am looking for a solution to this problem, or,
at least, an education in how to proceed.

Thanks, Bill

-- 


Bill Campillo        campillo@gdwest.gd.com
Engineering Workstation System Administrator
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be (Francois Staes)
Subject: Printer accounting using NeWSPrint
Reply-To: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be
Organization: U.I.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:05:36 GMT

Did anyone try to implement some kind of accounting scheme to be used with the
NeWSPrint software ? It should keep some kind of accounting file where users can
allocate a number of pages (if they pay), and the system should check this file
before printing, it should also adjust the accounting file when a printing job has
been finished by substracting the actual number of pages printed.

Hope to get some useful answers,

Francois Staes
University of Antwerp
Antwerp, Belgium
Email: frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be



Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Size of swap file
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.152359.1013@europa.asd.contel.com>, pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe) writes:
|> 
|> What is the general guideline for the size of a swap file?  I have two
|> SPARC-2's running 4.1.1 and I just upgraded from 16M of RAM to 64M.  I
|> have 16M swap files right now....do I need to increase them or not?
|> And should they be increased to 64M or somewhere between 16M and 64M?
|> 
|> --
|> Dave Pascoe
|> Internet: pascoe@rocky.gte.com
|> 

Um, hate to say this but the reccommended size of the swap file is 2.5
times the size of RAM so your swap file should have been 40 meg with 16M
ram and should now be 160M.  Before doing this I think I would see if
you have any problems with running out of memory.  If not I would leave
it alone.

Doug

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