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From: kathy@cs.rit.edu (Kathleen L. Flagg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: help needed for class
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:06:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology/Computer Science Department

I'm doing a class research project and I could desperately use your help 
from all you pet lovers.  If you could answer the following questions, 
(through e-mail so I won't get anyone mad) I would greatly appreciate it.

Are you married or single?
What age group are you in?
What species of pets do you have and how many of them do you own?
What factors (price, quality) do you look for when buying your pet supplies?
What do you like about your pet store?
What do you dislike about your pet store?
What would you like to see pet stores carry more of?
Any general suggestions or comments about your pet store, buying supplies, 
or your pets in general?

Once again I thank you all so very much for your time and answers.

Thanks again,
Kathleen Flagg
kathy@cs.rit.edu
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Beethoven
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:37:40 GMT

In <1992Apr15.225336.12444@csc.ti.com> vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) writes:

>I learnt a lesson from those vet scenes.  In the unfortunate event that I
>ever have to get a pet put to sleep, I would a) insist on being present at the
>actual event, no matter how painful it is to me, b) I would want the body
>back.  I would not just hand over my dog to the vet and walk away, after
>seeing that movie!

I wouldn't want the body back.  I'd ask for it to be cremated then
returned...I think most vets can arrange for cremation.

However, I seriously don't think that too many vets are like this one.
I detracted a few points from Beethoven for the bizarre representation
of vets ... just what we need, the average american to say, why should
I take my dog in and risk it being carted off by the vet for bullet
testing?

I should point out that there are ways to test newly designed bullets'
capabilities without using dogs, animals, or humans, dead or alive.

>Anybody know what breed was Beethoven's friend Sparky ?

The perky dog with the egg shaped face?  I think that's an English
Bull Terrier.  Spuds McKenzie is one, too.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of five parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTP site) in early May.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: neutering and spaying
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:07:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.064925.23999@lth.se> dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>Only male guide dogs are nuetered; female dogs are not spayed.  The
>reason for neutering are milder temperament and less sexual drive.
>About 10 years back they used to spay bitches, but stopped doing so
>because of great problems with itching. In his opinion, spaying had
                                -------
>such effects that it could not be justified (except for male guide
>dogs).  He also mentioned the obvious fact that a blind person has a
>much harder time controlling a dog.
>
>Hans Nilsson pointed out that it is essential to neuter just before
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>the dog reaches sexual maturity, otherwise you won't get the desired
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>effect on temperament.
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>
>Comments and opinions, anyone?
>
>
>		-- Dag

 Isn't this what the American posters in this debate have been saying
all along?  If you neuter after sexual maturity, there is no change?
It seems that you have actually backed up our argument! :-)
 Also, did you really mean to say ITCHING?  I have never heard that
females that were spayed itched more than unspayed females.  Also, if
the female guide dogs are not spayed and the blind person is walking
down the street with his guide dog who is in heat and a male dog comes
along, what will happen?  Is the blind person supposed to defend his
bitch against a male dog?  Does the bitch just have lots of puppies?
Just wondering.


Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: poop eating dogs
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:48:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.00959304.08D33760
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

just my opinion, I have 3 dogs and I have known all kinds 
and I can only say is that all the black labs I have known  
have always ate their poop (thats 99.9 to 100 percent I have known.) 
I never saw my collies or cross collie/shepards to do it (doesn't 
mean they don't) my friends don't know of a solution.)
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: spaying and neutering (seeing eye dogs)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:44:01 GMT
Organization: AT&T

A very good friend of mine has had several (4, I believe)
seeing eye dogs in his life.  All but one were female and
all were neutered.

His kids raise puppies for the seeing eye through 4-H.
The females have to go back to the kennel during their first
heat for three weeks, and go back to seeing eye for final
training at 1 year.  After their real seeing eye training
it is decided who will be neutered and used as a seeing eye
dog, and who will go into the breeding program.  Some puppies
fail all together and are neutered and placed in loving homes
(very often the home that raised them the first year.)

Ellen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:04:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr6.145535.21962@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
	crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:

>...
>Any suggestions on finding our puppy?   I've not yet reported it to local
>police, as I doubted they could help.  Any chance that a puppy-stealing ring
>could be in existence - and how do I got about finding them out?

Was your puppy tatooed and registered with the National Dog Registry?
If it were, than any visit to a Vet or pound would result in you getting
a phone call concerning the dog.

Animal laboratories don't pay for tatooed dogs.

Until those nifty implanted electronic ID systems become more commonplace,
tatoo your pet!

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: BWARREN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: incontinence in l yr old
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:41:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

A l year old Lab friend of mine seems to be suffering from incontinence.  She h
as been treated for a few months now with DES (estrogen) but it hasn't seemed t
o help.  The vet says that spayed bitches will sometimes develop this trouble d
ue to a loss of estrogens.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Abby seems so yo
ung to have this problem.  Anyone have any suggestions?  Thanks for your help.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Help! Poop Eater! (long)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:23:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr14.163435.15633@ods.com> 
	scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>
>I am desperately seeking advice on a problem I have seen addressed
>here before. However, I really haven't found a good solution, here
>or elsewhere. The problem: the dogs have acquired the bad habit of
>eating their poop. I've attained a bit of information on the topic
>from several sources, including this newsgroup, books, and from
>the vet.

They won't if you pick it up right away :-)

They actually would probably prefer "cat cookies" -- Maybe you should
get a cat :-)

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: kf@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kimberly.s.fulmore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: German Shepherd Dog Standards
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:41:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Apr17.174103.11514
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Hi,
I am an owner of a German Shepherd Dog and was wondering
if someone could either e-mail to me or post the
GSD standards, as they did for Labrador Retrievers.

I was also wondering if a dog can become "titled" if not
registered with the AKC. I was thinking about looking into
the Canine Good Citizenship - but is that just for AKC-registered
dogs?

Thanks in advance for your help!
Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: building a kennel
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:37:34 GMT

I need plans for building a 30'x10' concrete floored fully enclosed kennel.

I have recently made plans for aquiring YAD (yet another dog).  I rescued
a 10 week old lab puppy from traffic, and after I returned him to his owners
(who promised to be more careful) after keeping him a few days, I have
that empty feeling inside.  I want a puppy!

Anyway, the dog I am getting is a male American Staffordshire Terrier.
He will come from the same people who bred my female Staffie Bull Terrier
(I have a male GSD too).  The breeder has convinced me that I must build
a 30'x10' fully-enclosed, concrete-floored, containment structure.  He said
his dogs have escaped over 10' chainlink fences before.  The litter is due
May 15.

What I need is pointers to books or articles that detail how to build such a
structure.  I want to have a pro lay the pad, and do the rest myself.

BTW, the dog will be in the kennel only when I am not at home.

Thanks for any clues.

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
From: dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident (biased statistics)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:54:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden

In article <...> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>
>Another factor to consider vis-a-vis the "popular breeds," however, 
>is that once a breed becomes popular, demand for animals of that
>breed is likely to result in production of inferior specimens. 

And inferior buyers...


		-- Dag
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: why pekingese
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:09:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.020338.6850@ultra.com> spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter) writes:
>
>Hey Mike, you really ought to get that darn keyboard fixed.  Looks like
>you meant to post to rec.pets.penis, and somehow your posting got into
>rec.pets.dogs.
>
>The same bug seems to have substituted "smart" for "mentally challenged."
>
>Oh well ... we all figured it out anyway : )
>
Scott -- this was cute.  I, too, would like to refute Mike's dogs
resemble their owners and small dogs aren't smart theory.  We have a 3+
month old Havanese.  He'll only be 15 pounds when he's fully grown --
now he's 6.  My husband is 6'5" and I'm 5'10."  Havanese are known to
be extremely intelligent and have been used as trick dogs in circuses
for years in Europe.  One article we found in a French magazine
interviewed a circus trainer and he said that the Havanese had it all
over some popular large breeds in the brains department -- they picked
up what the trainer wanted from them in one or two lessons. 

Max seems to bear this out.  He's in puppy kindergarten.  Our trainer
said not to expect too much out of Max because he's so young.  But
when she doesn't let him try something all the other dogs are trying,
he barks at her until she says "alright pea-pod, your turn"  then he
looks at me and I tell him to do what all the other dogs have done --
sit, down, etc. and he does it without fail.  Everyone else is
struggling and Max just does it.  He even resents it when I try to
give him a treat when he successfully does a command.  It's sort of
like "what did you expect, mom."  This from a dog that was scared to
death his first night of puppy training.  

schalene



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Housebreaking Idea bad?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:02:42 GMT


I have a question that the "Rufus the Doofus" post have reminded me
of.  A long time ago I read about a housebreaking technique that
I thought was a bad idea, and I would like to get the net.wisdom
thoughts on it.  I have actually dug up the reference on the method
suggested.  I THINK I got it in a KPT class I took a LONG time ago.
The book is more like a thick pamphelt, and is called "Supper-Puppy,
How to Raise the Best Dog You'll Ever Have!" byt Peter J. Vollmer.
The suggestion for housetraining is as follows:

    "     1. If he has had an 'accident' inside the house, clean it 
             up thoroughly.
          2. Then take him, never call hime, to the area.
          3. Generously spray a cotton ball with Bitter Apple or
             rubbing alcohol, and, while holding hime by the neck
             scruff, place it directly in his mouth.  Praise him
             when he spits it out.  Repeat if he does not strongly 
             object to the taste.  Immediately give him a soda
             cracker to help clear away the unpleasant taste.
          4. Spray the floow with the product and gently place his
             nose down in order for him to get the sent."

It does go on to say that each time he eliminates in the house,
and you don't catch him in the act, _you- have made the
mistake (emphasis theirs).

This may work in houstraining the dog, it may not.  i can't really
say.  My problem with it is that it would seem to me that eventually
the dog will distrust you putting ANYTHING in his mouth.  This is
a problem, naturally, if you need to inspect his teeth, give him
medication, or your vet wishes to do anything around his mouth.  I
would therfore not use it.

My question is, has anyone heard of or used this method?  Does anyone
concurr or disagree with my notion of what might happen to the
dog?

I am just curious.  I would not do it this way, nor am I suggesting
that anyone else does.  I just would like other opinions on
this method.  I find it particularly bad that I would get such
advice in a KPT class.....

srlee@beta.lanl.gov


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: prevelig@eastman1.mit.edu (Peter Prevelige)
Subject: Re: Heeling advice requested
Organization: Mass. Inst. of Tech., Dept. of Chemistry
	<1992Apr16.201254.17501@tfs.com> <45827@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:20:19 GMT

One of our dogs was a real problem on the lead, very strong, would not
heal, pulled us all over. At the obedience class run by the MSPCA the
instructor suggested what she calls a "gentle leader", it is a
training collar that wraps around the dogs muzzle, which will clamp
down on the muzzle if you pull the lead. If you think about this, this
is one means of disciplining a pup anyway.

It works much better than "choke" chains, it actually transforms our
dogs personality when she wears it. She is much more submissive, it is
clear to her who is dominant. The instructor, a vet, said she doesn't
like "choke" collars or variants because of the possibility of
tracheal damage if improperly used. In four or five 30 min walks our
dog learned to heal quite nicely, and now does just fine with only a
rolled leather collar.

These collars are hard to find, but I have seen them in the RC Steele
catalog.

Peter
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Dept. of Biology      Don't Lend a Hand to Raise No Flag Atop No Ship of Fools
16-534 MIT 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Beethoven
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.125214.23019@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen) writes:
>
>
>WELLlllllll,
>
>The hubby and I went to see the movie Beethoven last weekend.  I'm still trying
>to decide whether I like it or not.  Maybe as I write this review I'll form
>a more solid opinion.
>

(some of review deleted)
>
>However, we then get into nasty vets doing illegal animal experimentation.
>These scenes are pretty scary, and there are no holds barred.  I was sick
>at heart by some of the things they portrayed.  Again, I felt like walking
>out.  I get nightmares, and I'm easily influenced by movies, so I try to be
>careful what I feed into my brain via my eyes.  
>

(rest of review deleted)

Just thought I'd mention that a few days ago the NBC Today show had on
a guy who reviews movies for children, going beyond the normal rating
schedule.  He said this movie was basically good, but didn't recommend
it for young children, say, under the age of 7 or 8.  The reasons he
gave were basically the same as what Jill mentioned above.  Thanks for
the review!

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: eam9e@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Myers)
Subject: Snakes and Dogs
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:20:26 GMT

  
   My boyfriend recently moved to Boulder, CO, and he has seen 
a couple of snakes at Boulder Reservoir.  As far as he could
tell, they weren't rattlers and someone in Boulder told him that
they might have been coppperheads.  He had a pretty bad scare
yesterday when his dog went after some movement in the bushes
and it turned out to be a pretty large snake. So, I thought
I would appeal to the collective wisdom of the net for info.

   Does anyone know what kinds of snakes are prevalent in Colorado,
   particularly around Boulder?  Has anyone had their dog bitten
   by a snake? In Colorado?

   What do you do when your dog is bitten by a snake?  Is there
   a snake kit for dogs? 
     
   Our dogs are too big to carry, so is it better to keep them
   immobile until someone comes looking for you (we always keep
   track of how long the other person is gone walking the dogs),
   or is it better to walk the dog back and get to the vet faster?

Any info on dogs and snakes would be much appreciated.

-Ann
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: bitch in heat = dog won't eat
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:05:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I just need some reassurance:

Sophie is in heat and Arnie is on a "Free Love" hunger strike!
How long can this dog live on vitamins (which I have to shove
down his throat!!)

Their breeder says the same thing happens to "dad" when he's visiting
the "girls", but I've worried enough over this scrawny dog not
eating and now THIS!

Just need to hear that everyone else goes through the same thing.
Arnie stopped eating around day 12 and now it's day 19!  He eats
a little, has ALL the energy in the world (espsecially when he can
get near Sophie) and is otherwise perfectly normal (well, as normal
as an 8 month old Newf can be...)

Tonight Sophie gets a good thorough bath since she's almost done
and I'm hoping that will help.

OH, also, when I get fed up and just leave his food in his pen all
day figuring he'll eat eventually, he buries it!  I come home to
a bowl full of dirt!  ARGH!

(help)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee)
Subject: Thanks for all the "helpful" suggestions part II
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:26:43 GMT

I forgot to mention that I do agree with the dangers of someone poisoning
your pet while it is outside, or it getting hit by a car.  My friend has
a fenced in backyard, so it is safe from traffic, unless of course it gets 
out of the fence.  I would just like to say that indoor pets can also get
out of the house (someone I work with had a dog jump out the window).  

Please, do not think I am downing indoor pets.  My dogs were indoor at one
time.  We (my husband and I) have found that OUR dogs are happier outside.
They were howling during the day when we werent home and freaking out when
we got home from work at night.  We usually found our house totally destroyed!

Now, when we get home, we change clothes, go outside and play with the dogs,
sometimes we go for a walk, sometimes we play fetch, sometimes we just give
belly-rubs!  They are very happy dogs.  They rarely bark, there are no
children that come up to our fence and taunt them, and they romp and play
all the time!  Even when we are not  outside with them!  We love to watch
from the windows as they play and run!


Thanks again!

Lynn


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Subject: Berner as a 2nd dog:was protection good reason
Reply-To: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:09:08 GMT



Welllll, since you asked about Berners, and I live with two of the cutest,
most loveable, best tempered berners around...I felt it only fair to respond :)

The four of us (my Husband, myself and the two dogs) live in a small bungelow,
on a standard lot (165' x 125').  The great thing about Berners is that they
are content, as long as they're part of the family.  They like their walks,
and they can run and play with the best of them - but they are also couch
potatoes, and will lie contentedly at your feet (or on them...or on your lap).

As pups, they will run around and jump, and get into all the same trouble
any puppy gets into - but they don't mind being left all day in a small 
space (please no flames, I do not lock my dogs up for 14 hours at a time -
when I say all day, I mean a standard work day, with a walk around the block
and piddle privileges at lunch!).  

In my opinion, Berners would make great apartment dogs.  They don't need
alot of space, they are "wash and wear" dogs, they don't yap alot - but when
they do, you don't want to cross them!!  As long as you like to walk so that
they get the excersice they need to maintain good muscle tone, they would
get along well ANYWHERE.  

Another plus...Berners make good neighbors.  They are friendly, trainable,
and yes, they even get along with cats and other dogs.  The only problem is - 
they are hard to find, and the litters are almost always sold in advance
(at least in my area :) )  

ANOTHER PROBLEM>>>

BE CAREFUL AND CHOOSE WISELY!!!  As with all dog breeds, there are some
irresponsible breeders.  An unfortunate tendency toward shyness has appeared
in some "lines".  If possible, visit the sire and dam, AND the breeder
SEVERAL times before you make a commitment to purchase.  Not only will this
give you an opportunity to check out the temperment of the pair, but it will
also create a line of communication with the breeder, so that if any problems
arise, you have someone to call.

Of course, I don't know if you are even going to buy a Berner - I just assume
that they are the best dogs in the world, so OF COURSE you're going to want 
one!

I've rambled long enough....sorry this turned out so long!

Jill
two berners are better than one!
-- 
===========================    Jill N.J. Pappenhagen
                       Department Assistant, Art Education Dept.
                       Wickendon Hall, Case Western Reserve Univ. 
				 jnp@po.CWRU.Edu=============================
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