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From: peteru@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Specs on HD's required.
Summary: Should I buy? Or should I avoid?
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:46:14 GMT

I have an opportunity (I hope) to buy some of the following drives
for my Amiga.

Imprimis 94601-15 (Wren VII 1Gb)
CDC 94191 (Wren VI 660Mb)
CDC 94181 (Wren VI 600Mb)

But my problem lies in the fact that I have no specs on these.
None at all, the only thing I know is that they are SCSI.

That about sums it up. I would like to know if they are likely
to work with my A2500 + A2090a + ICD2000. Also, how fast/slow
are these beasties?

I have been considering buying Unix from C= for a while now
and wouldn't mind finding out if these beasties would work with
that.


Thanx.

		Peter.

Peter Urbanec				  peteru@hydra.maths.unsw.oz.au
University of New South Wales		s1013734@cs.unsw.oz.au
Sydney, Australia
		The only sin is stupidity  - Machiavelli
From: wje@hoffman.rstnu.bcm.tmc.edu (Bill Eaton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Floppy disk alignment
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:59:50 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: none


     What is the correct rotation speed for 3.5" floppy disks for an
NTSC A1000?  I did some crude timing tests suggesting that the disk
controller divides the colorburst clock by 7 to to make the disk bit-cell
clock, giving around 102273 bits on a disk track at 300 RPM.  Should
the rotation speed be adjusted higher to match the 100000 bits per
track used on I*M PC's?

DISCLAIMER:  This posting in no way represents Baylor College of Medicine.
They think I'm working rather than reading news.

--
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ObAdvocacy:  PC-head:  "DOS rools!"  Amiga-head:  "can you rename
that directory, or depth-arrange those Windows?  PC-head:  (starts yelling
misspelled obscenities and throwing things)
From: Michel_Denber.WBST147@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Quantum 105S Installation Problem
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:32:00 GMT

I just got a Quantum 105S and the installation has not been going well.  I've
seen a number of posts here recently about Quantum drives, so maybe someone can
help me (I hope).  The drive came with zero documentation.  I tried calling
both the dealer and Quantum, with no results.  I have a 2000 (rev. 4.6), 2090A
controller, 1 meg. Agnus, OS 1.3, and 1.2 ROM.  I set the drive address to unit
0 (all 3 jumpers off).  I left the EP jumper (enable parity) on.  The resistor
packs on the drive are in place.  There are no other SCSI devices on the
controller.  I ran prep, but it didn't know about the 105 under its SCSI menu,
so I started over using "user specified drive".

The dealer said to use 755 cyl., 16 hds., 17 sectors/track.  Someone at work
said to use 1020 cyl., 4 hds., 49 sec.  The file format.dat on my Sun says to
use 974 cyl., 6 hds., 35 sec.  I made up a mountlist entry for res2: and tried
all three combinations.  The only one that worked was the last one (from the
Sun).  With the other two, the drive just sat there (no LED activity) and prep
timed out.  Next I rebooted, made a mountlist entry for my main partition.  The
drive formatted and initialized OK (took about 50 minutes).  Info reports
202,000 blocks free.  But when I try copying files to it, I keep getting
read/write errors at apparently random locations.  I copied 20 megs. and got
about a dozen errors, so something is still not right.

Prep asked me about a "write precompensation cylinder" (whatever that is) and
suggested the highest one (no. 973), which I used.  It also asked if I wanted
to make any sectors bad.  I said no.  I can't imagine all these errors are due
to bad spots on the disk.

I used an interleave of 3, suggested by the dealer.  The main partition was
created as a FFS.  The two MFM drives I have on the same controller run FFS
with no problems.

At this point, I'm really stuck.  What are the *real* parameters for this
drive?  Could someone who has a Quantum 105S running please tell me what their
mountlist looks like?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  When I
called Quantum, I ended up in one of these automated "please press 1, press 2"
systems that eventually told me I didn't need to know the drive parameters
because the controller handled it automatically.  Duh.

			- Michel

denber.wbst147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: wgs1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Re: Newcomer questions (not in FAQ)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.065114.23689@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> jdickson@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Dickson) writes:
>
>This is silly. The 68000 on the Amiga is no different than on any other
>68000 based computer. Yes, the environment is different, but then that's
>what makes an Amiga an Amiga, and a whatchamacallit a whatchamacallit
>(frankly I don't what else is based on a 68000). The world would be a
>pretty boring place if all computers were created alike.
>
>jeff
>
>P.S. The Amiga fits the bill

I apologize for being so silly.  I realize that my question was not "up-to-
par" for this newsgroup, but didn't know where else to ask it.

To everyone who responded so kindly, thanks very much.  I understand very 
well now.  Now if I can just sell some unused stuff and find one of those
A500's here on the net...

Thanks again to all.

--
Walter G. Seefeld                  wgs1@ra.msstate.edu
940 N. Jackson St. #1A             (601) 323-8369
Starkville, MS 39759               N5QXR
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: ibm/tandberg 3600 or wangtek 5150 tape drives?
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 18:32:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>I was wondering if anyone has connected either a tandberg 3600
>or wangtek 5150s scsi tape drive to an amiga 2000.

I'll bet that's a refurb from an RS/6000 right? Gee, who'duh
thought that many RS/6000's were sold?

>I have
>been playing around with the tandberg, but keep getting "scsi
>phase error" on a microbotics hardframe (1.5 rom), and
>"disk checksum errors" with a gvp2 with fastroms.

Don't know about the hardframe, but with the GVP, you must
put the following line in your user-startup:

; for tape drive, to handle disconnect/connect problem
gvpscsictrl 3 dcoff

3 is the SCSI id of my streamer.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Floptical, A2000 and A3000 THANKS!
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:16:30 GMT


WOW! I would like to thank all those who replied. I tried to reply individually
but some mail bounced.

Again, thanks.

-- 
	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
From: Jeremiah.Blatz@dartmouth.edu (Jeremiah Blatz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: TECH: "Virtuality" --- Amiga 3000... Some observations and 
 Questions.
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:47:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug25.221712.23062@Veritas.COM>
geac@uunet.UU.NET writes:

> 	I was told that the system was about $80,000.  Now the 3000 is
> about $5000-$10,000 depending on what's required.  Is this type of
> hardware normally that expensive (visor, joypad, etc...) ?

Not really, the real cost is in those two nifty graphics processors.
VIRTUALITY uses the Amiga like VPL uses the Mac. It handles
input/databases etc., but the real graphics work is done by hugely
powerful processors (VIRTUALITY) of a couple of SGI workstations (VPL).

Sorry,
Jeremiah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: Bubblejet Printers
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.235021.15809@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
> In article <66617@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4476a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Alberghini) writes:
> >
> >     Has anyone out there had any experience with a Cannon Bubblejet printer?
> >How does it get along with an Amiga?  I would like to know any specifics or
> >first hand experience you may have had.
> 
> I just bought a Canon BJ-10e. Got the latest driver from Wolf Faust
> off of Fred Fish 696.
> 
> Output from Final Copy easily rivals a laser printer. Graphic dumps not
> quite as good as a laser printer, but pretty damn nice! This thing is
> very quiet, takes up little space standing vertically with the paper feeder
> on the back. IT's quick.
> 
> This printer totally blows away any 24pin printer I have ver used!
> The only thing better, IMHO, is a laser printer for black and white
> output.

...

ditto for me. I really like my BubbleJet. Wolf's latest driver's are wonderful.

-- 
	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Zorro <> CAMAC Bus interface needed
Keywords: Zorro, CAMAC, bus interface
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:50:13 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Sep4.094020.5498@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <13490@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>>We are in need of an Amiga to CAMAC bus interface card. The CAMAC bus is a
>>scientific instrumentation bus with 16bit data, 20bit address.
>
>>I would be seriously interested in discussing this matter with someone who is
>>technically competent to make such a bus interface for us.
>
>CAMAC ? *grin*. We have lots of CAMAC equipment here and I also have an
>Amiga. But I wouldn't have thought of connecting both together :-)

Whyever not? I have a CAMAC crate with a couple of DSP technologies 200 MHz
digitizers which can multiplex for an additional two channels at 100 MHZ
each. I have yet to find a GPIB digitizer which can come close to keeping up
with the A3000 processing data in realtime with the Web (except when doing
ffts). I have pretty much sole access to this CAMAC digitizer for the time
being and desperately need the high transfer rates the CAMAC affords for my
auralization of ultrasonic signal data research and for some acoustic
emissions research we are doing with the Amiga. Heck I can pull data off the
supplied 52Meg Quantum at over 5x any other means I currently have at my
disposal. If could I/O map the CAMAC crate, things can go significantly
faster than that.

Kent Polk
From: Neon@cup.portal.com (Anthony Joseph Bruder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: GVP A530 Turbo -- update --
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 02:01:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article 9/3/92 11:16 36/1782 marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
writes:

>The GVP A530 ain't available......
>
>Post here if you heard any different from GVP!  C ya.

My local dealer, Amagination, in NYC has this in stock.  I was there
today; 9/3/92.

Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Floptical Drive, 3000 and 2000?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:53:01 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Aug24.204322.3646@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by wbennett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William F Bennett):
> David,
>           I'm not sure about which ads you may be referring but the floptical 
> is a SCSI device and as such can be used with any machine that has a SCSI 
> controller and used interchangeably, with the caveat that the controllers on 
> separate machines have the same format for the RBD (Rigid Disk Block) that is 
> written to each disk. Preferrably you would have the same controller on two 
> separate machines though this is not necessary. The floptical drives come as 
> internal or external (in your case you would want an external). Unfortunately 
> the externals are about $100  more than the internals.
> 
>      I have a floptical drive and I am very pleased with its operation. They 
> are faster than floppies but not nearly as fast as hard drives.
>

What brand?  How much stuff can you read on it?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: corban_l@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: Re: news
Reply-To: corban_l@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:44:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.151138.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>, landall_v@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Hi
>
>Could someone please tell me how to get the data of a Plastic Card and to the
>serial Port.
>
>I would like to make a Plastic Card reader (NOT A WRITER (Well not yet ;-) ))
>
>THANKS in Advance
>-Landall_V@Kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
>

Wow, someone saw Terminator 2 :)   
*careful*
That was an <urk> Atari that was linked to the card device there..

I assume that plastic card = credit card type? or do you intend doing your 
own phone cards?  (sarcasim, where?)
What are you going to use the data off the credit card for? 
Ah, "NOT A WRITER (Well not yet ;-)  ))"
	I see...
From: aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Looking for Prototyping board
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:24:00 -0700
Organization: None to Speak of
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen) writes:

>This board is not populated with any parts whatsoever and is a prototyping
>board in every sense of the word. If you wish I can dig them out and see
>who made them...

I wonder, is there a prototyping board that comes with an Autoconfig
circuit?  I am not too keen with PALs, so I can't make an fully
autoconfig board.

Making a prototyping board with hard coded address is not too hard, but
that is not the amiga way.

At any event, can anybody give me (or post) a set of PAL equations
or some cuircuitry to do Autoconfig?  (I would assume this is oneof
the most basic Amiga circuits)


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 38,400 Telebit Qblazer Modem ($299.00)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:10:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <0eaZDXu00j_HE_r3E8@cs.cmu.edu> <78459@ut-emx.uucp>
  <1992Aug27.220733.16194@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Aug27.220733.16194@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>
cmv@looney.att.com (Craig M. Votava) writes:

|   [...]
|   This modem supports V.32 V.42 and V.42bis ONLY!
|   [...]

... in addition to V.22bis, V.22, Bell 212A, and Bell 103J.

It does NOT support PEP (and neither does Telebit's T1600).

The QBlazer compatibility actually is:

CCITT V.32 (9600 bps Trellis Coded, 9600 bps Uncoded, 4800 bps Uncoded)
CCITT V.22bis (2400 bps)
CCITT V.22 (1200 bps)
Bell 212A (1200 bps)
Bell 103J (300 bps)

Error control: MNP classes 2-4, CCITT V.42

Data compression: MNP class 5 and CCITT V.42bis

The DTE interface speeds are 38400, 19200, 9600, 4800, 2400, 1200 and 300 bps.


Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Bubblejet Printers
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:50:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <66617@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4476a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Alberghini) writes:
>
>     Has anyone out there had any experience with a Cannon Bubblejet printer?
>How does it get along with an Amiga?  I would like to know any specifics or
>first hand experience you may have had.

I just bought a Canon BJ-10e. Got the latest driver from Wolf Faust
off of Fred Fish 696.

Output from Final Copy easily rivals a laser printer. Graphic dumps not
quite as good as a laser printer, but pretty damn nice! This thing is
very quiet, takes up little space standing vertically with the paper feeder
on the back. IT's quick.

This printer totally blows away any 24pin printer I have ver used!
The only thing better, IMHO, is a laser printer for black and white
output.

I paid $300.00 for my printer. Slightly used. It was an excellent deal.
-- 
/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Floptical Drive, 3000 and 2000?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 08:24:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64633@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug25.172408.2951@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

Too bad, although I have heard from several programmers that had dealings
with them and most of them ended up being owed money for one reason or
another.
From: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Size of a Zorro II card
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:43:53 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia

Could someone please tell me the maximum physical size of a Zorro II card.

That is, from the bottom of the edge connector to the top of the card.


Why you ask?  I am thinking of building a Zorro II cage for my A1000 and I
need to know how big to make it.


THanks,
Phil.


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: hillman@iastate.edu (Matthew C Hilleman)
Subject: HPIB(IEEE-488) and parallel
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:09:09 GMT



	Does anyone now how to run a HPIB port printer from

	a standard parallel printer port??

	Do I have to make a special cable or what??

thanks


-- 
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*	(515) 232-5976							*
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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.tech
Subject: Re: Questions about A2090 HD controller...
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:57:09 GMT
FollowUp-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug24.163923.13683@lonex.rl.af.mil>, Michael A. Kopack writes:

> I know the controller isn't auto-booting, and that's no big deal. The problem
> is is that the machine already has the 2 3.5" and the 5.25" drive bays full.
> Can a 3.5" Hd be mounted onto the card to act as a hard card?

No.

> Does this interface support the FFS? I'd think not, but I'm not sure.

Yes.  FFS is software.  I've been using FFS on my HD / A2090.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: dudley@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Subject: Re: TECH: "Virtuality" --- Amiga 3000... Some observations and Questions.
Keywords: amiga virtuatlity game observations questions
Reply-To: dudley@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Organization: CEBAF
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:47:26 GMT


Actually, this Virtual Reality system (known as Virtuality) has been
selling for about the past year or so. It is based on the Amiga 3000
with some aditional hardware and a CD-Rom unit.  Virtual Reality devices
such as the Visor, the magnetic ring, etc. do tend to be quite
expensive.  The headtracking unit and body tracking unit are expensive
as well.  Together with the hardware and software, one can be had for
about $70,000.
 
As far as the lag time is concerned, all Virtual Reality systems out now
have that lag time, and won't be getting rid of it until technology and
faster hardware catch up.
 
There will be, however, a virtual reality system based on the Amiga 500
available sometime soon.  It should feature a new Workbench-type GUI and
"full immersion" (i.e. the Visor, and hand/body tracking).  (note: this
is not a Commodore product as far as I am aware).
 
Virtuality itself is the product of a company called W Industries in England.

For more information on Virtual Reality, check the newsgroup
sci.virtual-worlds.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------- 
    ///  John Dudley
 \\///   Vertex Laboratories
  \X/    Only AMIGA Makes It Possible!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tschille@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Thorsten Schiller)
Subject: Multiple serial ports on an A500
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:04:13 GMT

Greetings.

I have an A500 w/ GVP Series II (105 Meg HD w/ 4 Megs of Ram)... I was wondering
if anybody knows about any serial port expansions for the 500. I wanted to add
a second line to my BBS but have been having a hard time finding any serial
port expanders...

Can someone enlighten me as to what my alternatives are?

Thanks.

Thorsten Schiller
tschiller@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: pfferrei@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ferreira)
Subject: 1084 monitor problems.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:51:04 GMT


I seem to recently be getting a problem with my 1084 monitor.  I believe
it is a problem with all the monitors and can be fixed.  Every once in a 
while the screen flickers off, but by tapping the monitor, the display can
be returned.  It seems that there is some kind of short circuit occuring in
the monitor because of some contact or arcing.  

Does anyone know what I am talking about? How can I fix this?


+    Paulo F. Ferreira                        + University of Waterloo +  
+ email: pfferrei@undergrad.math.UWaterloo.ca +    Waterloo, Canada    +
From: shane@peeker.uucp (Shane R. McCarthy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: mounting a harddrive in an XT slot
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:54:06 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <92247.134033TEW105@psuvm.psu.edu> TEW105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I need to mount a hard drive internally, but I don't have an extra 3.5 inch
> bay to put it in.  I remember a post recently about mounting one on a card in
> an XT slot.  I'm no hardware expert, but I can follow directions.  Can anyone
> tell me exactly what parts I would need to build this?

   At a recent swap meet I came across a metal bracket in the form of a
full length IBM card.  This was designed to allow mounting of a HD and
placing it into a PC slot.  I would assume a well stocked IBM/Clone dealer
may get one for you.


-- 
Shane McCarthy                  Please forward mail to
Windsor, Ont.                   cs.uwindsor.ca!jabba!peeker!shane