From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: More on Bigotry [Aziz Faris is confused]
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
>
>I think you are a bigot. 

	Do you? Good for you.

>It is a known fact that Christianity was created by Jesus of Nazreth 
>who is a Jew. You want to tell me that religions have
>come from a god!. All religions are created by men like you and me. This
>includes Jesus, Abraham, Mohammed, etc. etc.

	OK Jesus was related to the Jews and his teachings put him in
	confrontation with the Jews!!!!

	Mohammad was not realted to the Jews and his teachings are at
	great confrontation with Jewish theology.

	If you are so clever why don't you tell me how the Jews create 
	their own Enemies. I think Jews are cleverer than this my friend
	Aziz.

>If you are so intelligent like the rest of your freinds who are muslim 
>and christians I have a sugestion for you. I sugest that you tell our 
>middle eastern leaders to put their arms down and let the Isrealiss' 
>take over because the god of Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammed has promised 
>that area for the Jews and they will get it sooner or later. So,
>WHY THE HELL ARE WE FIGHTING? Answer this question you idiot!.

	I think I have the honour to be attacked by both MG of Cardiff 
	who is a fundametalist Khoemist and this Guy Aziz Faris who sound
	very confused one time he is a fundamentalist Christian then he
	is an Arab Nationalist then he does not believe in God them he
	is Assyrian then he is Phenician.

>Is the god of Islam different than the God of Jesus or Abraham? The God
>of the Abraham has promised the middle east to the jews. What has the God
>of Islam promised?.

	You are so confused my friend. Where in my post I said this land
	or taht land is from this God or that God.

>Where the hell are you from?. 

	From Hell.!!
	Bilad Al-Sham!!. Is not it  hell to be from where you and me
	come my friend friend.

>If you are from the gulf states or Saudi 
>Arabia where the Arabism has started answer the following question if you
>have enough intelligence:

	Not from the Gulf!!!

>1. Why is there so much poverty in the middle east when the king of saudi
>arabia and sheiks are giving money literally away as gifts and squandering
>it.

	If I was from the Gulf I will answer you. But the Mideastern
	need education and training not gifts from this King or that
	King. Jordan Syria Lebanon and Egypt are much Richer than the
	Gulf they have people they have land!!

>2. If you and the rest of your likes care about Arabism why the hell you
>dont do any thing about the Palsetnians when the Arabs have enough money
>to buy armies let alone support them.

	You cannot care about the Palestinians more than a Palestinian
	my friend. Do you want me to elaborate more!!!?

>3.Since when did an Arabic nation exist?. A nation that any one can be a
>leader whether Christian, Muslim, Alawite or any other religion.

	Now you want to deny the existence of the Arab nation. 
	Good for you!!!

>4. Why is it that every so called Arabic country that is dominated by 
>Islam requires that the president must be Muslim.

	I never read the constitution of those Arab country. For your 
	pleasure next time I will speak with the legislature to try to
	appoint a Mormon President may be in Egypt. 

	It is my turn to ask you. Why is it always the Prime Minister of
	Australia is an AngloSaxon.

	Why is it always the President of USA an Anglosaxon white man?

>5. Why are you living in a christian society?. 

	I thought you do not believe in Christianity. England is a
	secular country some English are Christians most of them are
	Secular.

|> 	Yes there was past glories for our old nations in the Mideat
|> 	and one of them was under Islamic rule. This does not mean that
|> 	Islam have the solution. It is the people who carry Islam or any
|> 	other religion who make the difference.
|> 
|> A Jaber

>I will surprise you hear. I agree with you, that is the reason I do no 

	No it is not a surprise to agree with me. The thing why you were
	so abusive is that you replied to me with out reading the whole
	of my post.

>beleive in religions. My problem with Islam it relies heavily on religion.
>Religions do not solve problems. The glory took place under the Ummayad 
>dynasty which relied on all people not just Muslims. Any future glory of
>the people of the middle east should not rely on religions, this is my 
>beleif. But I want you to carry that message to the religious leaders of
>the area if you have the guts, which you dont because you will face death.
>
>A.Faris


	I called you a bigot because of your remarks in the previous post
	You have not answered the issues raised but rather resorted to
	evasive tactics, may I ask you now:

	1- How did the Jews Establish Christianity and Islam?

	2- You said all the generals who fought Islamic wars were
	Christians who were forced to convert where is your references
	with names and dates?

	3-You said if the Mideast is ruled by Christians it will be
	more prosperous place, plaese elaborate on this?

	If you do not answer my question fully then I was right to 
	make you look like MG of Cardiff.

Regards

A Jaber