HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:35:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.000541.19855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <6_h2=xr@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>
>>What percentage of Americans are Asian-American?
>>
>From the 1990 US Census figures:
>	White				80%
>	Black				12%
>	Hispanic			 9%
>	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
>	Native American			 1%
>[stuff deleted]

What is the criteria used to determine minority status? I have always assumed
that it would be dependent upon population within a country...but, as Asians
aren't considered a minority and yet our population is still well below that of
African-Am. and Hispanics, I would like to know the definition of minority. 

(excuse the incoherency of this post but it's finals time...ick...)

-JS

 

  ************************************************************************
  *  		   		 |     "I am so			         *
  *  Jenny Shum			 |	    afraid of 		         *
  *  University At Albany	 |		living in    	         *
  *  ks4816@albanyvms.bitnet	 |		    oblivion."	         *
  *  ks4816@rachel.albany.edu	 |			-Anything Box    *
  *				 |				         *
  ************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: coop1d11@bmerh301.bnr.ca (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:18:37 GMT

daniel@asterix.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu) writes:

>In <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)  Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
**STUFf DELETED
>>note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
>>and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 

I find this to be quite true where I go to school, too.  They further alienate 
themselves from the rest by speaking Cantonese.  There's nothing wrong with speaking
it except those who cannot understand the language are automatically excluded
from the discussion...
  
 

Alex Feng 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud)
Subject: Who is that masked man?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:57:07 GMT

Sooooooo, You thought you could escape eh?  :)

Boy, Finals this year REALLY REALLY SUCKED!  But back to reality........

I didn't really have time to respond to all the posts concerning my
posts, and rather than throw a LOT MORE mud, I'll respond to some
of the "gems" so we can get on with some "real" discussion.

> I'm Audi 5000.
I'm a BMW?

> Maybe there's really no Asian-American cause worth fighting for.
If you're LOOKING for a cause to fight for, there probably ain't one!

> Search yourself for racist superiority thinking before quickly judging
> others of the same.
I'm not exactly sure what this point is, but here goes:
$ grep "racist superiority" yourself

> But if this theoretical "asian male hating asian female" has children,
> her son will resemble an asian male also.
Well can't argue with you there!  Genetics IS REAL!

> If you hate your own race, then you'll hate the person glaring back at you
> in the mirror.
Another one of MANY profound statements!

> Question: Who in their right mind wants to date a person who is uncool
> or perceived to be uncool (whatever coolness means at the moment)?
> Answer: Not too many people.
Thank you so much for that Q&A session, my life now has meaning!

> I am currently dating an unique woman.
How do you get a unique woman?  You nique (sneak) up on her!
How do you get a tame woman? The TAME way!
Say it aloud, it's much better! :)

> I agree.  I believe that if one perceives a problem one has three options:
> 1) Dissociate from the problem if possible.
> 2) Do something about it if one can.
> 3) Acquiesce if necessary.
4) Hire a lawyer and sue the bastard!

> Damn, I've always been an on-again-off-again reader of scaa.  Everytime
> this topic would come up, I'd get sooo mad that I couldn't even think
> straight for days.  I'd usually never post, but this time I had to
Calm down fellah!  Take a valium, relax and drink some milk, it'll do your
body good!

> I've had lots of negative things said to me by AF's right in my face.
> I'm not trying to generalize here
Boy that's good!  For a minute there, I thought you were!

-Phil

ps. I promise more interesting posts in the future!
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA scientists and the model minority myth was Re: Political Power
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

>(Can't quote on this editor)

>Fall 1990 composition of UC Berkeley by Gender and Ethnicity:

>Asian Pacific American
>Undergraduate men: 15.4 %
>            women: 13.1 %
>Graduate men: 6.7 %
>       women: 6.1 %

>Doctoral candidates men: 4.8 %
>                  women: 3.1 %

>How can these patterns be explained?

APA's were smart enough to notice the oversupply of Ph.D's before non-APA's.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10862 alt.politics.clinton:18720
From: timlee@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
Distribution: usa

brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
|Most Americans are not in favor of higher taxes.
|Most Americans are not in favor of more government intrusion in their lives.

Many Americans favor higher taxes on someone else, and more government
intrusion in other people's lives.
 
|Race and sex are not the most important attributes of individuals, in fact they
|are unimportant regarding political issues.

Perhaps they are unimportant in relation to a person's skill, but they
do cause political effects, simply because many people do consider these
characteristics important.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: devesh@cs.utexas.edu (Devesh Sudhakar Khatu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality/Bisexuality
Date: 20 Dec 1992 23:10:34 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec17.214324.10738@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>Now that there seems to some interest in this subject. I would like to know how and 
>when can you tell that you are homosexual/bisexual? Carole M. mention that she was a 
>product of surrondings and self awareness (I think that's what she said, I can't 
>remember). Is this always the case ?
>
>Curiosity from a Heterosexual ?
>
>TU 
>

Hi,

It is nice to see a thread like this on s.c.a.a. as a majority of the readers
don't seem to be aware of aspects of sexuality in general. Hopefully this
should help us all appreciate each other better.

I identify myself as homosexual, but it took a long time before I finally
admitted it. Though as far as I can remember, I was always attracted towards
guys from high school. However being from an Asian culture, it wasn't easy
to accept it, and like most, thought it would be a 'passing phase' which 
would die out with time perhaps. Of course it never happened. 

As far as what causes homosexuality? Well, it is pretty much an open 
question. While there have been studies which link it with brain structure
and other things, it hasn't been conclusively proved. Environment may also
have to do with it. I had a rather protected childhood, went to a boys-only
school, and hence that may have inhibited my social interaction with 
members of the opposite sex. However that still doesn't explain why I
should be attracted by guys, and hence there really is no definitive
answer to the question.

Another important thing to note is that sexuality is more a state of mind
than action, so being homosexual does not mean having to engage in 
homosexual acts, neither does engaging in acts imply homosexuality.

This is once of my first articles on the topic too, and hope it is of use
to s.c.a.a readers. 

Cheers,
Devesh

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Devesh S. Khatu             \      /   Office: 3OP3 #307
  Strategic Technology Group   \    /    E-mail: devesh@bombay.oracle.com
  Applications Division         \  /     Phone : (415) 506-4488
  Oracle Corporation             \/      Fax   : (415) 506-7293
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
#define DISCLAIMER "I will be most surprised if my views match those of my
                    employer, or anyone else, or even myself"
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oh no!  More Smilies!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:05:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec13.125848.14298@newstand.syr.edu> mlau@mothra.syr.EDU (Michael  Lau) writes:
 >Now that we've started posting personals in s.c.a.a., I have another
 >file that may help you out - more smilies!  I don't remember where I
 >got this from so I can't give credit to the genius(es) who made them
 >up.
 >
 >SLIGHT WARNING!!  This isn't for those of you that are sexually faint
 >of heart.  They are meant to be funny, but if you get offended easily,
 >press 'n' now.  I don't want to be reading mail into next week about
 >how I should be more careful what I send where.
 >
[R rated smilies and very funny examples/instructions on use thereof
 deleted to save the faint of heart]
> Michael Lau           | "The surest sign that intelligent life exists

<applause over laughter>
Good show, my chap.  Jolly good show.
My stomach is still hurting from doubling over, my face from slamming
into the keyboard while I fell to the ground.  I now have the 'J' key
permanantly inscribed on my forehead.   :-,

Have you considered becoming a comic.  No, wait, instead, I suggest
you send that over to rec.humor.funny (or was that alt.humor.funny?)
either one.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
*	Billy H. Chan		<bhchan@ocf.berkeley.edu> 	*
*	Lost at Cal!!!   	<bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>	*
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:21:01 GMT

In article <BzGJ4x.KK2@newcastle.ac.uk> T.K.Hara@newcastle.ac.uk (T.K. Hara) writes:
>
	[All caps stuff about how "americanized" Asian Americans are deleted.]
>IT WOULD ALSO BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INDIGINOUS 
>'ASIA-AMERICANS' IN AMERICA.

You don't have to shout.  :-)  (Oldest usenet joke in the book...)

Golly gee, I just happen to have this info right here!  According
to this class handout that cites the US Census Bureau, 62.1% of
Asian Americans are foreign born.  This percentage varies tremendously
among the different national origins;  only 28.4% ofJapanese Americans,
for example, are foreign born, whereas a whopping 93.7% of Laotion Americans
are foreign born.  Hope this worthwhile...
						--Alan Hu
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E MAh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian American plays
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:06:42 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

>OK...here's a question for anyone who knows of what AA plays
>are out there.  A group of students where I go to school are
>doing an independent study in Asian American Literature, and
>for a section on theatre we will probably do 2-3 plays.  What
>would you suggest that we do?  For that matter, does anyone
>have a "favorite" AA play?  Or do you feel there is one or
>two that stand above the others?  If so, on what basis?
>Sheer theatricality?  Literary merit?  Good roles?
>
>I'd be interested to hear what others have to say on this.
>Brian
  How about David Henry Hwang's plays (M. Butterfly, for example).

Then there is Frank Chin, who in my opinion is a jerk, but
if you want to get a perspective on the history of Asian
American Literature you should read him. There ARE good
things in what he writes; you just have to place him
in historical perspective and take him with a grain of salt.
(I read _Chickencoop Chinaman_).
  Then there is M.H. Kingston's _Tripmaster Monkey), which is
nominally a NOVEL; however, if you read it you will discover
that it sort of takes apart notions of genre and all kinds
of stereotypes about a lot of things; there are sections that
definitely read like a play.  Or, read this one for the non-play
sections of your course. IMHO it is the best piece of fiction
I have read in a very long time.
 Carole
--- Thelma and Louise in '92! ---
carole elaine mah
st701852@brownvm.bitnet
st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
Carole_Mah@brown.edu
---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:03:06 GMT

In article <1gaoreINN919@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defenso libertatis) writes:
>In article r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c) writes:
>> Could this have somthing to do with (RACEism) in America?
>> 
>> ....Because black men were slaves to white men?
>> 
>> ....Because black men have less opportunites to obtain wealth in Amerikkka? 
>> 
>> 
>> Suggestions?          
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!                                  Tony L. Cogdell
>
>Tony,
>
>Funny you should ask that question too! I also never seem
>to get a reak answer when I ask certain people why they date
>this or that group. Did you read my post (kinda long I admit)
>number 17395?
>
>In it I spoke about a question I asked a certain asian females:
>
>"Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy? 
>If not, why didn't you date a black guy or Latino if race
>was not really an issue?"

But many of us did.  Right, ladies?  Why didn't we discuss this?  Actually,
Clare Chu did.  The rest of probably refrained because the subject was AMCF 
vs AFCM. 

diana
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10959 ca.politics:10420 soc.motss:52897
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:46:07 GMT

In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects

	..........

>half of the world lives in Asia, East Europe, or the Middle East where HIV
>is largely nonexistent outside of a few pockets, and this figure should
>obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind. He also says 85
>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
>AIDS is almost non-existent.

Hu you are an unmitigated asshole. New Englanders chew up
morons like you for general principle alone and to help others
keep their minds free of bullshit accumulation.

Hu will know the Truth if and when one of his children dies
from AIDS (I would not wish this on any one!) due to his
in-erro crap and racist/bigot slant to all he reads.

Len
--
*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Hawaiians
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:39:38 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec9.191227.455@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
|> Any "Hawaiians of Asian Descent" out there?  I'd like to hear your perspective.
|> I believe Hawaii provides an interesting study in the interrelation between
|> various Asian subgroups.  Do any Asians on the Islands speak the same
|> language as the caucasians?  I know some do speak pidgin (sp.) and I know
|> of Mainlanders (U.S.) go back there and are criticized for being "too
|> good" for them by speaking "proper" English.  


Most of my Chinese relatives live in Hawaii.  Some speak pidgin but
most do not but speak generic American English.  It is my impression
that they generally do not socialize much with pidgin speaking people.

One aunt of mine married a Hawaiian man (she is Chinese-ge but
raised by Hawaiian adopted parents).  All 20 of her children
(that's right, twenty children-none adopted) speak pidgin normally.

Their objection to mainlanders is not their language but their attitudes.
Their consider many mainlanders to be uptight and rude and crude.
I am a mainlander but am accepted well by the locals because I
respect their culture even though I do not speak like them.  Many
mainlanders (and some Hawaii raised people) look down on the Hawaiian
locals and for that they are not accepted.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: all asians want marriage ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Do all asians date with the goal of getting married ?

What percent of males and what percent of females ?
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:35:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


>>Asian-male stereotyping of the future:

good grief, you mean a

>> tall, handsome, well-dressed, witty, powerful, smart, educated, 
menacing, perverted, spoiled, loud mouthed wise assed,  college puke,
>> good-sense-of-rhythm, into outdoor sports, too much electronic
too many piano lessons, testosterone poisoned, nerd, paranoid about being 
>> equipment, nervous about losing cultural background, a little
alienated, a little _too_ white washed, self centered, 
>> _too_ hip for his own good, but strangely and attractively geeky
geeky at the worst moments, foolish, upstart, culturally confused, bully, 
>> at the weirdest moments, silly and funny, good cook, dependable,
over bulky yet still too weak for the white man, 
>> sensitive, but not wimpy, strong, yet not overbearing, well-read,
to socially incompetent to do anything  but read books, 
>> too much sports equipment, well-connected, leadership material,
wastes money like it grows on their parent's trees,
>> respected and well-liked by his peers, and of course, humble.
is the but of all jokes as the world laughs at his silly antics to
feel american, and of course, self-depreciating / self-destructive ?

....

well... rather harsh terms but that's me in a nutshell :P  :) :) :)
                                                           *smileys*


- not jon never heard of him nobody saw me you can't proove anything

p.s. finished my finals. Can you tell ?

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10854 ca.politics:10361 soc.motss:52524
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:11:50 GMT
Followup-To: poster

In article <1992Dec15.202248.4871@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, sgsying@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Goangshiuan Ying) writes:
> How can we do something about this Mr. Hu?  Aparently, he is living in his 
> own world and only believe what he want's to believe.  Come on, Mr Hu.  Stop
> making those nonsense.......  You should be ashamed about the statement you
> make.

you make a little world of your own where you undrstand that Mr Hu
likes masturbating with numbers in public and has no shame.

I guess if Arthur wants to display the gross ignorance  of failing to
comprehend the concept that the world population will not stay
static at 5 billion for the next century thats his bizznezz.

one method of keeping your own sanity is to just skip the infrequent
attempts he makes at conversation and ignoring his output.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Asian Angst
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:02:02 GMT

In article <lkim.25.0@swri.edu> lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim) writes:
>I'm disturbed the recent increased frequency of discussions on inter-racial 
>relationships.  All this attention paid to the subject reveals a 
>embarrasing amount of angst about our own self-image as 'attractive' 
>people.  Some discussions on this topic are enlightening and helpful; but 
>there comes a point where we should stop trying analyze who were dating, 
>why we were dating who were dating, and why we can't date who we want to 
>date.  Let's forget about the percentages and find the best person for us, 
>regardless of race.

	Or, as some obscure writer once said, getting laid on a regular basis
will do WONDERS for your perspective.


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american