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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in Literature
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:01:05 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

I thought people might be interested in a few recent mentions of the SCA in SF.

Title: The Wizardry Compiled
Author: Rick Cook
ISBN: 0-671-72078-3
Prequel: Wizard's Bane (0-671-69803-6)
Sequel: The Wizardry Cursed (0-671-72049)

William Irving Zumwalt, WIZ to his friends, is a computer programmer.  When
he's zapped into a D&D-style dimension, he discovers being a magician is easy,
you simply 'program' the magic.  In the second novel, the problems that come
up are more than he can handle.  What's needed are more programmers.  So where
do you go to find programmers that won't freak around Dukes, Knights and 
Barons?  Right, Crown tourney!


Title: Tales of Riverworld
Editor: Philip Jose Farmer
Prequels: To Your Scattered Bodies Go, The Fabulous Riverboat, The Dark Design,
	  The Magic Labyrinth, Gods of Riverworld, Riverworld

Everyone who has ever lived on Earth from 100,000 BC to 1983 AD has been
re-incarnated on a planet that mostly covered by a river eighteen million 
miles long.  There's no technology, save what you build yourself.  The
previous novels were written by Farmer, but this most recent book is a
collection of short stories set on Riverworld, written by other writers.
The SCA reference is a passing mention; "The history teacher, to everyone's
surprise, was an excellent shot with the giant crossbow.  He attributed his
skill to a cryptic organization named the SCA."


Title: When Dreams Collide
Author: William Mark Simmons
Prequel: In the Net of Dreams

Several computer programmers have designed a Virtual Reality D&D game.  Slap
a couple sensors on your forehead, slide into a sensory deprivation tank,
somebody throws a switch and Bingo!  You're walking around in a D&D campaign.
A person's character in the game has the same physical limitations as the
person himself, your character can only handle a sword as well as you do.
However, something goes wrong.  The players can't get out.  Since the problem
doesn't seem to be outside the program, a team is sent into the program.
This time we get about a page worth of mention, page 29 to be exact.

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
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From: mcs@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael straatmann)
Subject: paisley
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: world, na, usa, local
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:46:03 GMT

Unto the Rialto does Gospodin Mikhail Nikolaevich Kramolnikov send 
greetings and abasement.

Many comments and discussions have discussed paisleys as and OOP item.
While this may be true for the heathen west ;-), it is not so in the 
east.  If I remember correctly, the paisley is a design based on the 
date cone motif.  Anyway, it _is_ period.  Multiple references abound 
not only from India but from Turkey and even Russia.  The differences 
from today's paisley involve the design being repeated over in a 
simple pattern, not the intertwined gobbledy-gook one most often 
finds.  Time, patience, and perserverance will occasionally yeild a 
acceptably period appearance.

In service
Mikhail Nikolaevich
--
     Michael C. Straatmann  --   mcs@unlinfo.unl.edu

"the winds battling at blackness; against the waves of destruction 
from ultimate space; whirling, churning, struggling around the
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Late Night Noises (was Pennsic Land Allotment)
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:18:19 GMT
Organization: A.I. Chem Lab, University of Arizona

In article <16856769E.00030929@ysub.ysu.edu> 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu writes:

>I have heard of attempts (at other events) to keep the late-night camps
>separated from the quieter camps.  Anyone know if this would work at Pennsic?
>I've never heard whether the attempts were successful in any regard at all.
> 
>Vajk


At Arizona Rennaisance Festival wiuth had a problem with the drummers going on
until all hours of the night.   Finally, one night, a big bruiser had
had enough and a fight ensued...

Now the drummers have thier own encampment almost 1/4 mile away from 
everybody else.   Not quite far enough,  but we don't own land in the
next county over...

Tom Perigrin
Xref: sparky rec.org.sca:12406 rec.arts.sf.written:11595
From: wew@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Bill Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Flexi Daggers
Keywords: sca
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:26:18 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

Would the person interested in flexi dagger blades please email me.
I now have a supply.  I lost the address in a small crash...

-- 
Let sleeping dragons lie........                    | The RoleMancer 
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William Wilson (wew@naucse.cse.nau.edu | wilson@nauvax)
Northern AZ Univ  Flagstaff, AZ 86011
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From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: A silly suggestion: was: a whole lot of things 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.160818.22537@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney) writes:
>
>I think a lot of enjoyment is lost in expecting non-SCA activities
>to hold up to our standard of authenticity, especially as they
>never intended to in the first place.  As someone said about
>P.G. Wodehose, "To criticize him is like taking an axe to a souffle."

Greetings from Sebastian
In the interests of those who *do* like to point out innacurate movies
and the like, I would propose the following:
Send me your complaints, notes, and anticdotes about a 'medeval flic'.
Send it with the header Spoof - <movie title>
And tell me what is innacurate. I will post the results after a while. I
would like to try to curb the 'newbie' attitude of "but Monty Python did
it!" or "Robin Hood: POT was a historic movie". 
Here's the catch: I want references. Just because every SCAdian and
his/her child knows that it is so, perhaps Joe Interested doesn't. 

Please do not include such things as: Robin Hood:POT  The catapult is
physically impossible, and it wobbled when they moved it (my peeve,
BTW). But do say Robin Hood:POT  The studded leather jackets were not
used at the time of Robin Hood (year XXXX) but instead they wore ...
Ref. So and so's book that you can look up in a library. 

My theory is that maybe if they then see a couple of errors that the
movies make, new people (myself included) may not make the same erors.
And may be more critical of the non researched 'doccumentation' that
they find.

Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. We'll see.
If all goes well I will give the results to the local chronicler. To
these ends, I will be putting your SCA names with the article. If anyone
doesn't want to have their notes in print, let me know. I wil honour any
such request. Naturally.

Thank-you in advance for your support.
(I sound like I'm selling something, door-to-door)

Sebastian

amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

>Don't try to make it what it wasn't intended to be, and you'll
>enjoy it a lot more, _unless_ (and they exists) you're the kind of
>person who feels that they can't enjoy knowing something about
>the Middle Ages (or whatever the subject is) unless they can tear apart
>other people's ideas on the subject.
>
>Enid Wrigglesworth/Ann Feeney
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: aboz@egf-bbs.uucp (Aboz the Untidy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Principality Y/N
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:43:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: egf-bbs.1992Aug30.174358.13941
Organization: EGF, MN Public Access Unix

I was just at an event attended by nearly all the groups in the
Northshield region of the Midrealm. (ND,SD,MN,WI)  Its sounding like
things are really taking off on us becoming a principality, by some
accounts we should be ready within a year (or less).  
Would some good gentles who have experienced the birth of a principality
please share your experience, particularly problems, pitfalls, and
procedures of which we should be aware.  many thanks.

Thanks also for the myriad of responses to my Steel Demos question.  This
forum has proven to be an invaluable source of knowledge and support for
we of the remote reaches of the Realm.  (please accept apolpgies for
abuntant alliteration.  I'm a herald, I can't help it)

Berwynn (wynn= Anglo-Saxon masculine)  Aethelbryght

-- 
Berwynn Aethelbryght, Pursuivant of the Shire of Elverod, Grand Forks, ND
                BKA (Known on the BBS as) Aboz the Untidy
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: awards recognition
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 19:19:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Mistress Dorigen asked:

> Should there be a "courtesy" requirement for peerage orders?  And should
> it be enforced?

Yes, I believe so.  Peerage is a recognition that an individual is a model
of what the SCA strives to be.  It has preconditions - one must achieve a
certain level of skill or show a certain level of service to the Society -
but in the final analysis, it should not be given if the candidate does not
embody the qualities of courtesy and honor that the Society holds as its
prime virtues.  That is basically what I meant a few days ago when I wrote
that our awards are given for what you are, rather than for what you've
done.  

I think it is clear that there must be _some_ requirements for entry to the
peerage other than skill and/or learning alone; otherwise, there are
thousands of musicians, dancers, embroiders, etc. in the real world who
could walk into an SCA meeting and be peers the next day.  I sometiems put
it this way: Peerage is a recognition that the candidate has made the SCA
part of herself, and herself part of the SCA.  It is a recognition that the
candidate needs no further reward, and is one of the people who make the
Society wonderful for the love of it.

I know that the Order of the Pelican (at least in the Pennsic kingdoms)
takes the courtesy requirement very seriously.  The logic, I think, is that
to serve the Society effectively, one must have a courteous outlook toward
everyone.  If you go around pissing people off, you can't accomplish much
of anything. 

Not being a member of any other peerage order, I cannot say how those
orders view the courtesy requirement.  From the outside, it appears that
the Chivalry do weight this factor in their discussions, but that their
focus is primarily on courtesy on the field.  There have been times when it
seemed that the Laurel was giving very little weight to the courtesy
requirement, and other times when it seemed they were considering it quite
seriously.  The royal patent of arms is not automatic in the East, but
it is such a different matter that I would prefer to omit it from this
discussion. 

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:34:52 GMT

In article <ewright.714860567@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>>			ELIZABETHAN HANDBOOK!
>
>I obtained a copy of this book at Pennsic and, while I have not 
>had the opportunity to give it a thorough reading, I must say
>that while it may be "out, real, and very beautiful," it is far
>from error-free.  

The label "error free" does not actually appear on the work.  We save that
for books that are published ex cathedra, most of which are concerned with
marian doctrine.

>....Some of the major errors I noticed 
>in the costuming section are ....
>
>    The text states that Venetian breeches
>    "normally reached beneath the knee."  Actually, Venetian breeches
>    (as opposed to breeches in general) *always* reached below the knee,
>    by definition.

[....]

If this and the other points are "major errors", then I think the effort
was not in vain.

>This wasn't a review.  If it was a review, I would say, go ahead 
>and buy the book, but don't take everything it contains at face value.  
>Verify it with more reliable sources.

On a more careful reading, you will find that the _Elizabethan Handbook_ gives
just this advice.  If this were a review, you would no doubt have read more
of the book before setting finger to keyboard.

The _Elizabethan Handbook_ and the forthcoming _Chaucerian Handbook_ are both
designed to allow people to conduct re-creations of Elizabethan and Chaucerian
England without having to re-invent the re-creation wheel each time.  They
provide the minimum of information needed to allow people without previous
experience to attend such a re-creation.  Neither handbook purports
to be anything else.

While some of the advice in the book might fall afoul of certain currently held
opinions amongst dress historians, that is only to be expected.  On the whole,
however, the book is interested in giving basic advice to allow a person to
attend a re-creation event.  It is not intended to give a person a grounding
in dress history, or in any other branch of history that the book touches upon.

The book's introduction makes its intent quite clear, and the book's biblio-
graphy makes further study very easy.  

Aryk Nusbacher
<who was a contributor>

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Fair
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:36:20 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Charles Clerk wrote:

> What happens when AEthelmearc becomes a kingdom?
> 
> The Crown of AEthelmearc would host a Pennsic Faire, and a tournament.

> Observe that AEthelmearc, as hosts, would have to stay officially
> neutral in the various battles, but their fighters could participate on
> either side.

Why?  When the Duke of Burgundy hosted a tournament, do you imagine that he
let his household fight on both sides, willy-nilly?  In medieval
tournament, at least in England, France, and the Lowlands, there seem to
have been standard teams, with followers of the same lords fighting
together in tournament after tournament.  It was common enough that we know
of one case where a lord deliberately swtiched sides to make a political
statement, and considerable mayhem followed.  It makes perfect medieval
sense for the traditional division of forces to persist no matter who hosts
Pennsic nor where it is held.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: kevin@isi.COM (Keradwc an Cai)
Subject: Titles and their use (Was Multiple Titles)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:48:31 GMT

Unto Lord Arval, Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus wrote

> My Lord,  consider the difference in respect that thou woulds't acheive,
> an thou wert to travel hither, and say "I am Arval, Triple Peer",
> or thou wert to travel yon, and say "I am a traveler, of no 
> particular name or title".   My Lord,  although thy quality would not 
> be changed, I would fain suggest that the actions of those about thee
> would be vastly different, and the respect that they would accord thee
> would be as night and day.

Good Thomas, (of the order of the two confections -- does that make
you too sweet? <G>), you presume, not _altogether_ incorrectly, that
one will act differently towards those with or without various titles.

This is not always the case.

A number of my associates travel to various Kingdoms/events where 
they are not known; sometimes they go 'with ribbons on', and sometimes 
in mufti; they've not reported a difference in treatment either way. 

That it _IS_ true in many cases is unfortunate, for to treat all equally
poorly is better than to treat some well and others poorly.

Keradwc
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re:  Fixing Hurricane Andrew Damaged SCAers
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:23:07 GMT

I just had a phone call from the Steward . . .

There is an effort underway to set up a legal, properly registered
charity for SCA folk to donate to (tax deductible and all that) in
order to help out our folk with losses from Hurricane Andrew.

This is being done formally, IRS forms and all that.  The paperwork
should take about a week.  There will be no SCA funds involved.

NOTE:  Per the SCA Bylaws--no SCA funds can be used to benefit any
individual.  (That is--you can't send money for this from your Branch
Treasury.)

This is advance notice that it's coming--in part so every branch
doesn't go haring off in it's own direction.

The effort is being put together primarily by the Seneschal of
Trimaris (Erik of Telemark) with help from the Seneschal of Meridies
(Aedward of Glastonburh).

In the mean time, the best data available on how Trimaris fared is
that all but about a half-dozen of our folk have been accounted for
and everybody is okay.  One house of an SCAer is completely gone.  Two
more houses are damaged to the point of being unihabitable.  One is
damaged, but habitable.  The Chronicler's house had some external bits
removed (especially--apparently--a light fixture he really *hated*)
and the outside sandblasted--including the parts he was planning o
repaint in the near future.  In general, calls into the badly hit
areas are being blocked, and folks are finding their way to phones and
calling out.

The expectation is that the damage in Meridies will be *more* severe
that it was in Trimaris.

I will post any additional data as i get it.

For those wishing to keep close contact with the charity efforts, the
principals involved are:

Erik of Telemark
(Ed Kreyling)
3182 Lockwood Meadows Blvd.
Sarasota, FL 34234
813/951-2818

Aedward of Glastonburh
(Gilbert Head)
170 Merlin Dr.
Athens, GA 30606
706/549-6287

To save time . . .

Feel free to copy this message to other networks or e-mail lists where
it will reach SCA folks without feeling you have to ask me for permission.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Town-Battle
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:39:01 GMT

In article <BtKHMq.Hz5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael) wri
tes:
>
>Anybody else hear the rumor that next year's battle would be an "Invasion of
>Venice" - sort of like a town battle, but boats would be required to get
>through the streets.  I heard this from one of the Earl Marshall's squires,
>but I havent' heard any other confirmation.
>

I would think that this is not true(at leeast at this time). The PWXX11 war
rules(including what types of battles there will be) are determined by the two
Princes(East & Middle) who will be Kings at that War. As neither of the PWXXII
Kings have been choisen, they could not have deceided on the rules yet.

If you think that this type of battle would be good, send your suguestions to
the current Kings of these kingdoms.
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Multiple titles (was Edward Zifran of Gendy)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:11:37 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

At the risk of sounding unbearably stuffy, I'd like to point out that
stringing multiple titles before a name...

> Viscount Viscount Viscount Viscount Sir Sir Master Master Edward, 

...is an incorrect practice, for two reasons.  First, they didn't do that
in period.  A knight who had been admitted into several orders of
knighthood was not "Sir Sir Sir Peter".  The Duke of York, who also
happened to be Earl of Huntingdon (hypothetical example) was not "Duke Earl
John", though he was sometimes "John, Duke of York, Earl of Huntingdon".
Second, I think title-stringing encourages the perception that SCA titles
are merit badges, each given for the completion of specific tasks.  They
are not.  A title is not a recognition of what you've _done_, but rather of
what you _are_.  I realize that when people use title strings they intend
it as a gesture of respect, but I would remind you that respect, too, is
given for what you are, not what you have listed in the Order of
Precedence.  No collection of titles can increase it, and omission of
titles won't decrease it.

The correct usage is one title at a time, as appropriate.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com




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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: What's a household without a cat?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:22:53 GMT


I am about to lose the use of this dwelling.  I have a place to go, but
Fluffy Pink (nee Flojo), a daughter of the legendary Brunhilde of Greyhaven,
has none.

She's about five years old, copy-protected.  She's a low-maintenance cat:
all you have to do is dish out the Science Diet and change the water twice a
day.  She doesn't destroy the furniture.  She likes laps.  She likes mice.
Nobody's perfect: she does leave conspicuous fluff on every dark surface.

If this sounds like the companion you need, contact me as indicated below.
(I'm in SF without a car.)
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district