HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: "what other people think" (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals..
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
	<1992Nov16.231919.23826@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.231919.23826@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:

   There are no evil thoughts, only evil actions.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. You hit the nail right on the head.

boris
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:50:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.lycra
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <1e1djtINN53j@cuda.add.itg.ti.com>, winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
> Allright.  A really stupid question:
> 
> *WHAT* is lycra, anyway?!

Spandex. - That ring any more bells?

Followup set to alt.lycra - they'll be able to explain in more detail... (-8

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:50:15 GMT

In article <BxoAMr.1GL@news.udel.edu> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>
>So here I am, a muffin.  (*DUCK!*) (-:

A muffin!  *Swoop*  Woops, missed.  *Swoop*  Damn!
*Pounce!*  Aha!  Gotcha!  *slurp*  yum.....munchmunch
*hug* *nibble* *hug*

>Words fail me.  Hugs to all.

That about sums it up for me, too.......

>Oh, and for any other celtophiles out there, I am yet another---
>although (as Nick can testify) I'm also Greek.  And also a francophile.
>And also a queerophile.

Ooo, I'm a Celt, you can phile me any time....

>Zoe (just ask me about my login name.  Go on.  I dare you)

Nope, not me, I'm not gonna ask, huh uh, no way.....


Piglet (whose celtishness--hee, hee--goes a long way back....)
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:12:18 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) wrote...
>And then there's most of the heterosexuals in my circle of friends who seem
>to have absolutely no problem with queer PDAs.
>...
>Of course, I do live where I live ...

Yes Roy you live in Berkeley, where it is gauche to notice anything. :-)
There is a guy who walks around naked in Berkeley and no one openly
pays any attention.  

Realizing this is cool, because it means I can PDA as much as I feel
comfortable.  Though it means that I wind up in tourist's home videos.
(They do try to be subtle but they aren't very good at it.)

Ellen
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:29:17 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

In article <s882916.721962102@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>"Well we all need our little flings!!!!"

AAARGH!  Why is bisexuality such a difficult concept for the
clue-impaired to get their heads around?

By the way, the e-mail address in your header is *still* hug-proof. 
Mail your sysadmins.
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:51:50 GMT

In article <1ek5g3INNq49@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>Dealing with people who talk too much or dominate a meeting is never
>easy.  However, we found a solution.
>
>One thing that we did with Bi Net / NJ was adopt "Koosh Rules" at our
>discussion group meeting.  You know what a koosh is, right?  One of
>those colorful rubber-band ball things?  Well, Koosh Rules are very
>simple....

Why not just run meetings by Robert's Rules of Order?

Lots of fun for those of us who're into discipline...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
From: ahb0@aber.ac.uk (Anna He Baik)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: .sig
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:53:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Nov11.215823.7915@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.114445.2521@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.210901.24110@aber.ac.uk>, ahb0@aber.ac.uk (Anna He Baik) writes: 
>>> Awwww......Hugs & swsus mawr from a fellow muffin then!
>> (swsus mawr? <sfx: blinks confusedly> )
>Well, mawr is Welsh for "big" or some synonym thereof -- given that the
>address of aber.ac.uk and following up to Mike Williams its not hard to
>deduce what language is being spoken.  Quite what swsus is, I don't know
>-- my Welsh vocabulary tends to be limited to words which crop up in
>place names....
>--
Gurble....hey i got replies! <boing boing boing boing>!
<grin> Well, youz right on the mawr, and swsus is actually colloquial
welsh for kisses...like cwtch is slang for hug in S.Wales...:)
so swsus mawr & helo again....sorry!
yon
(p.s. hiya to a friend of mine who has read only news!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:17:51 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1992Nov21.233155.20317@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gtoal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Graham Toal) writes:

>In article <1elqh8INNgjn@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>>What ever happened to *sharing* your toys?

>Not recomended! Toy-sharing went out of fashion with AIDS...

I share all my toys, I just require people to cover them with
condoms (or a glove over the bigger ones) and wash them now and then.

Simple!

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Higgy higgy forward, higgy higgy higgy higgy higgy shake!  Yeeaaah!"

1004211322700352222
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:02:02 GMT

In article <Bxuvst.GBo@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
> In article <s882916.721962102@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
> [...]

> By the way, the e-mail address in your header is *still* hug-proof. 
> Mail your sysadmins.

Well, let's see...

| From: s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD)
| NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

I think that gives the game away pretty comprehensively! Try:
    s882916@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: bisexual opinion by my friend
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:18:49 GMT

un032230@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
: 
: PLease allow me to attempt to make up for my fellow statesman.  *I* happen
: to be very much into the idea that West Virginian's are a friendly bunch.
: *hug*
: 
: See?

Hey, Chris!  Good to see that toe of yours in soc.bi waters :-)
'Course, some of us *knew* that WV residents aren't all "inbred hicks".
After all, there's you, and a good friend of yours who shall remain
nameless ...

hugs
Mike, being fluffy purely to give an encouraging prod :-)
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My inner man
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:26:59 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <83938@ut-emx.uucp> adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson) writes:
>In article <Bxo1At.Aon@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>In article <BxMK80.JDC@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>According to my etymological dictionary "fuck" comes from a lower Rhein (?)
>(niederrheinische--not sure of the exact English for this German word...) 
I think that lower Rhein is fine for niederrheinische.
Ich glaube, daB du Ok fuer mich bist.
just a little germanic e flirt.
>
>Maybe that clears it up??  Or did I just start something nasty :-) [evil grin]!
>
>rob 
Nasty is what I am all about.:)

I thought that it came from Fornication Under the Crown of the King(FUCK!)
any body in the UK know?

Jim, who is racing against time.
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: crackpots in the bi group
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:24:08 GMT

This fall, our little bi group at UofC has been haunted by weird and
unpleasant people.  The first were two dykes suffering from "ego a deux".
One did all of the talking and the other sat around taking notes like a
spy.  The talker was very hostile and threatening, obviously not 
interested in talking with bi people about queer stuff, but only interested
in being a pest at all the local queer organizations.  (They've shown up
at the main campus gay group asking for cash, and haunted the divinity
school queers also).  Now these women could have been interesting, they've
started their own religion and church, but they (at least the talker) acted
so bad we asked them to leave.  With much yelling and cussin' on the part
of the talker, they left, but left us with a hex.  

Maybe because of this hex, we have another "haint".
The second problem is a huge person of indeterminate gender (but claims female)
wearing long grey hair in two pigtails and a "legalize marijuana" shirt.
Now I'm a former pot-head myself, and would like to see marijuana legalized,
but again, this person was disruptive, talking loudly in non-sequitors,
wanting to babble about asexuality, canibalism, and trying to pick arguments,
all in a haze of 1960's cultural relativism.

This person also has haunted the campus Democrats, the Independent Voters
of Illinois, and maybe the Science Fiction Club.  She obviously isn't 
interested in listening to what any other person has to say, only in promoting
a vision of society so vague, that when I tried to dig it out of her, it
splinted into a thousand shards.

I suppose we'll have to ask her to leave too.

Now my question is, how do you other folks with bi groups, in Boston,
Ediburgh, Bay Area, or wherever deal with crackpots.  You've talked about
the sex pests that come through a little bit, but these are different.

I wish I were a werewolf.  I would wait for the full moon and be ...
ATTACK ANIMAL!
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:24:04 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <Bxt6FG.L9q@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>>I have only experienced shit from the gay community.  Usually, it is along the
>>lines of "Oh girl! >>>I _HATE_ that!<<< Quit lying and admit that you're a fag
>>like the rest of us.  Why do you want to pretend to like fucking women,
>>anyway..." or something distressingly similar to that.
>
>Obviously you've been very unlucky, since that isn't the experience of the
>other posters in this thread.

You are right in saying that I (as one of the other posters in the
thread) did not _discuss_ such an experience. However, that does not
necessariarly imply that I have not _had_ such an experience. It could
be that I have experienced it but just didn't mention it in my
posting.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "unlucky." Perhaps you meant that
js' experience was atypical. I have read of similar stories before so I
don't know how atypical it is.

>>  BTW,  I *really* hate it
>>when gays get too liberal with passing out the "girl" shit.  (if you hadn't
>>noticed.)
>
>Haven't heard this. You must know the wrong gay men.

This comes across to me as "Well *I* haven't heard about that so you
must be mistaken." (It is more subtle than that, and I have
deliberately exagerated my paraphrase to make it more clear.)


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:31:55 GMT

In article <1elqh8INNgjn@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>What ever happened to *sharing* your toys?

Not recomended! Toy-sharing went out of fashion with AIDS...

G
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: lovestruck
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:08:35 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>I'm in love!!  *swoon*  She has brown hair and brown
>eyes, and a master's in classic and medieval literature....
>And I think she likes me!  But I'm not sure..... oh dear,
>oh dear, oh dear..... <wuffles in a pigletish manner....>
>
>Someone hug me, quick!  Before I pop!  Augh!!!
 
     Here's warm and loving hugz to ya, Piglet..  It's a wonderful 
thing to be in love!  :-)
 
/---\ /---\ /=   /   ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
  =     =    = /    "Home is a place that keeps the rain off my computer"
  =     =    = \     B0 f- t+ w- g k s- m+ r- p-(++)     ______
  =     =    =   \                      silence = death   \bi/
                                                           \/
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Looking bi? (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:57:03 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com


|> Ya know, this happened to me when I went to the gay pride parade one year
|> with a man (gay) and a woman (lesbian).  A bum on the street (female)
|> hollered to the man, "you got two girls, lucky guy!"
|> 
|> You just can't win.
I, personally, would contend that the man *was* lucky!  As were you and your
friend.  Why he singled the *man* out, I can't say.  Mabe he just wanted to make
friendly chit-chat?

<playing stupid to the original point>
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: omaha@hardy.u.washington.edu (Debra Sternberg)
Subject: Re: sympathy and advice sought
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:51:23 GMT

	This info is based on personal experience. Several times over.
From all the times that I've left, or been left by someone, I've noticed
that one never forgets the person left behind. Period. Over time the
feelings fade a little, but you never forget it. What might be a problem
for you is her comment on wanting to still be friends. Is it possible
that part of you is thinking that maybe, just maybe that means you guys
might get back together again? The mind does funny things with
information like that. Maybe part of you is getting signals that are
confused or opposite what she has said.
	In any case, the only advice that I have is to, each time
something happens that reminds you of things you did with her, try to
think of it as something that can happen again with another person that
you will, or do enjoy. Turn it towards the happy end of the memory, and
then place your mind back onto the track it was on before, say work or
such, or find something to put your mind onto. 

					Omaha
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:49:21 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

Jon and Muffy have probably covered this to death, but one problem
with the concept of altruism is that it can get quite paradoxial.
If one derives any self-satisfaction from being altruistic, then
one could argue that that is no longer altruism....

[Enough on that]
This thread has gotten me thinking about western philosopy all
over again.  As an undergrad, I was encouraged to be a philosphy
major, because I did quite well in a class.  I considered it for 
awhile, but then decided that, while I was interested in 'searching
for the truth' [whatever that really means] and other common 
philosophical quests, I wasn't that interested in getting into
the seemingly testosterone-laden logic fights  ('my logic can beat 
up your logic' type of thing).  My question to those involved in
this thread is first: is this your experience? and second: why does
this happen?  (Muffy, it sounds like your class is going beyond
western philosopy so maybe you haven't observed it in your class.)

Ellen
(Whose experiences are never adaquately described by logic anyway.)
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: being out...
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:19:58 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <ALAN.92Nov16181815@pluto.osf.org>, alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
|> rob-
|> 
|> > It's really frustrating to be closeted, but it takes so much work to
|> > be the token bi.  I just don't have the energy to be constantly
|> > explaining to these people with binary conceptions of sexuality, what
|> > being bi means.  I feel guilty though, that if I don't do something to
|> > raise the issues, I'm only hurting myself in the long run....
|> 
|> You just may be in luck!  The _International Directory of Bisexual
|> Groups_, 9th edition, hot off the presses, lists:
|> 
|> Austin Bi Network, P.O. Box 8439, Austin TX 78713.  [Monthly men's,
|> women's, and mixed gender support groups.  Weekly socials & other
|> special events.  Founded 1992.]
|> 
|> When you get in touch with them, let us all know how they (and you)
|> are doing!
|> 
|> > This is like coming out for the first time all over again! ARGH!!!!
|> 
|> <sigh>    Yes.
|> 
|> But you made it through the first time, and you'll make it throug
|> this, too.
|> 
|> <HUGS>
|> -Alan

Hey!  Thanks!  I needed that!
I have been w/o any friends for sooo long.  Then I found soc.bi.

*sniggles*
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Hissing...
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:38:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.000652.4047@netcom.com>
 solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>I dunno... I think men are given to a different *kind* of
>claptrap. When gay men hear that I'm bisexual, they sometimes act
>amused and condescending ("I was bisexual once", "you're still
>experimenting", "denial ain't just a river in Egypt" (pace Stuart
>Smalley)). I don't experience actual *hostility*. Most of my bi
>women friends, on the other hand, *have* experienced hostility
>from some lesbians, who see being bisexual as "fraternising with
>the enemy" or somesuch. The hissing sounds like that.

I suspect some of these differences are the historical legacy
of lesbian-feminism/seperatism.  Gay men are less likely to have 
an ideological framework for biphobia.  The 70's notion of the
"political lesbian" may also have encouraged denial of bisexuality.

Causes for this history might be attributed to differences
in men's and women's roles.  I think there are ideas about bis that
are hang-overs from the 60 and 70s being passed on in gay/lesbian
"folklore" -- at least where the communities are not very
bi-aware.
-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hissing...
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:11:07 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com


|>    I got hissed at by four women in the front row.  I ignored them and
|> went on with my commentary, discussing how you don't know anything
|> about the person on the other side of the screen, and how this isn't
|> *anything* like a personal ad because networks allow for long,
|> involved, and yet very self-secure and self-exposing dialogues before
|> you actually meet the person, if you ever meet at all... and how, in
|> the course of one of these, I realized that I *cared* for the man on
|> the other end and I wanted to show him how much I cared...
Very nice.  Not *my* story, but I can see your point and it is good.
You must have been a very caring person to begin with...


|>    This is _me_ we're talking about.  She wasn't there, she didn't see
|> the process.  How *dare* she tell me she knows better than I what went
|> on in my head during my coming out?  How *dare* she assume she knows me
|> better than I know myself?  I'd never met this woman prior to tonight!
This is exactly the kind of judging that I referred to (a bit caustically)
in a different thread.  And it seems to me that when people think they have
figured out their own sexuality, they can't accept that their mapping of
motivations/desires/events/choices/etc may not be valid outside their own
figment of reality.  Let alone *your* particular figment.  I just would
appreciate it very much if the guilty parts of the LGBi communities would
allow other people the right to their own figments.  Whatever happened to the
"live and let live" rationale that the queer+ activists spout?

|>    *Sigh*
Seconded.  "Do as I say, not as I do."  || "I know better than you."


|>    Another Elven Rant 'n Rave (tm) (c) Elf !!!
3.5 stars!
and 4 *hugs*
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:13:00 +0000


> Maybe THAT'S why I was wishing I were a werewolf ... Of course, with my
> luck, the kind of werewolf would turn out to be a very cheerful and 
> decidedly unferocious mutt-dog.

Bagsy I get the first tummy rub!
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| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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