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From: klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler)
Subject: Re: finger
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:28:20 GMT

Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926 (mschenk@research.ptt.nl) wrote:
: In article <C03vn3.2G4@cscns.com>, klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler) writes:
: > Monee C. Kidd (cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: > 
: > : This may be a simple question, but what is the `finger' command?
: > : I see it used in the same place as telnet or ftp.
: > 
: > : Thanks
: > : -- 
: > :        "Whatever happened to Peace?"    -Eric B. & Rakim
: > :      ********    This is our year - GO CAVS!!!    ********
: > :                          ~ mc kidd ~
: > : ~ cr614@cleveland.freenet.edu ~ kidd47@wilma.wharton.upenn.edu ~ 
: > 
: > You can put information in the .plan file. When someone executes a finger for
: > that id, the information in the .plan file is displayed across the
: > network. 

: But that is not the major use of the finger command. Your .plan 
: file is a place where you can put some information you want 
: others to know about you.

: But the major use is to for system managers. It is easy to see 
: what you are doing if logged in and when you were last login etc. 
: If you are on a UNIX system a detailed description is given by 
: "man finger".

:     Mike


Naturally this is not the major use of "finger". However, the original
question dealt with why finger was used in the same lists as telnet and
ftp. The fact is that many orginizations (like nasa) create a special
userid and dump daily into into the .plan file. I did not mean to imply
that this was in any way the purpose of finger..

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: "kaca henlez" <kaca.henlez@canrem.com>
Subject: internet for kazakhstan?
Reply-To: "kaca henlez" <kaca.henlez@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:55:47 EST

HELP, ANYBODY!
I've been referred to this conference from elsewhere by a helpful soul 
who says I can get an answer here: My son, who runs an in-house
BBS at the Kazakhstan Institute for Management and Economics has asked
me to post a question:
---->> Whom does he get in touch with to become an Internet Node?
You can respond directly to him via USENET at address:
---->>   Alan@KIME.Alma-Ata.SU
or to me on this conference and I will forward to him.
Thanks for any assistance you can give him.
  / v
K A C A (pronounced Kacha)

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: ag653@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Clark)
Subject: Re: Translating ftp site name to address #?
Reply-To: ag653@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Clark)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:44:59 GMT


In a previous article, artist1@rdrc.rpi.edu (Artist # 1) says:

>I have a great # of ftp address names... how do I translate them to
>#'s... my system won't read the name.
>

Try using the IP Address Resolver:

     mail resolve@cs.widener.edu
     in body-of-message:  site <address here>

Resolver should mail you back the IP address.
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Internet: RCLARK@dmcs.dnd.ca    -or-    ag653@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Why are Internet Resources free?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:13:44 GMT

Chin Chee-Kai posts a very interesting collection of why individuals
and some institutions provide some services free on the Internet, but
his paper is badly incomplete. One substantial "free" component of
the Internet is the NSF backbone and the National Research and Education
Network, which carry a lot of traffic "free". The funds for this
come from the Federal Government, and the "why" of it is spelled
out in the law, and in the NSF "Acceptable Use" policy.

Those reasons are at least as important as the ones in Chee-Kai's
brief paper, if not more so. To avoid taking any controversial
positions about the substance, I'll leave it to Chee-Kai.

David
From: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: where to get nixpub?
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:00:52 EST
Reply-To: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

From where can one obtain the NIXPUB list? Please state full address, 
directory, and filename if available.

Thank you in advance.

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From: miket@frog.CRDS.COM (Michael C Tiernan)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Sensor information
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:10:02 GMT
Organization: Charles River Data Systems

epperson@adobe.com (Mark Epperson) writes:
 > Where can I find information on Acceleration sensors,
 > products and current research projects?

	You might do well to checkout the two groups who deal with this
	type of stuff, they are comp.realtime and sci.engr.control.

	Enjoy.
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<< MCT >>  Michael C Tiernan. - GEnie:M.Tiernan - AOL:M Tiernan/BCS Mike 
UUCP = alfalfa!pro-angmar!m.tiernan OR miket@frog.UUCP
      It's too bad that it takes almost half of our life
	to realize that it was a "Do-It-Yourself" project.
From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Internet Access Avail
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:34:05 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com



Network Users Group, Ltd. is able to offer Internet access
to users in the Michigan area. If you are a bbs operator
and need a UUCP connection. If you are just looking for
a place to have an e-mail account. What about FTP % Telnet ?
Yes, there is yet another access point. Starting in Jan 93
these and many other services will be available.

Network Users Group, Ltd. is a non-profit corporation. Our
users have access to the Internet. We are always interested
in connecting school systems to our services. Special rates
available for K - 12. Full time direct connections are also
available besides regular shell accounts. For complete details
send e-mail to the address listed below.....

               josephs@garnet.msen.com

               NSF Policy , Network Users Group, Ltd. 
               and other policies must be followed.
               Commercial users may apply - Some accts
               do have restrictions.
From: klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:25:19 GMT
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

khill@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:

: 	Is there an FTP, TELNET, RLOGIN, etc. sight that conatains CENSUS data
: for 1990.  I know that peoples names and specific information is held by the
: government for 70 years before it is made public.  However, demographics (ie
: racial, religious, income, age, employement, marital status, etc.) is obtain-
: able from the CENSUS department as soon as their computers can compile the
: data. 
: 	There is NEVER a need to PAY a consultant hundreds or thousands of
: dollars to do a demographics study for you (ie small business potential), when
: for a mere $90 our wonderful FEDERAL GOVERNMENT will give you all the infor-
: mation you could ever want to have.  What I am wondering, though, is there a
: sight (probably .GOV) that has any CENSUS data on it that is publicly retriev-
: able?

: 	BTW, that should be $90 bucks + $0.29 postage (to mail the request) +
: FOREVER and a DAY waiting for our wonderful FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to get around
: to sending the information back!
: -- 
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There is some US CENSUS info on the Internet. However, it is very general
information about states. I have been unable to find the kind of detailed
information that I think you are looking for. The best bet for that is to
buy one of those $90 CDROMS.. but you have to choose which one you want.
They have at least 20 different ones for sale... for different regions and
different types of information.  I got a catalog from CenData
301-763-2074. I could not find the data in any other form other than
CDROM. Some of the 1990 data CDROMS will not be available until mid-1993..
 
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: ftp.tu-clausthal.de ...again
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:46:05 GMT

Hello!
 
The host has been down on Dec 30 from 13:00 to 18:00 local time (GMT+1).
Please do not send any flames anymore...
The mail-server should now work... (mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de)
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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       Phone: +49 5323 82132 (voice)        or  Ley@rz.tu-clausthal.de
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From: Institute for Global Communications <researchdesk@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:27 PST
Subject: German language ftp/guides/indexes
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1674100017:000:572
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!researchdesk    Dec 26 12:27:00 1992


Does anyone know of ftp sites in the German-speaking countries?
Are there any good German-language indexes or guides to the Internet?
I'm going to be teaching an Internet course at the University of
Salzburg and would appreciate this information.  Thanks

Weiss jemand, ob es anonyme ftp Maschinen in den deutschsprachigen
Laendern gibt?  Gibt es gute deutschsprachige Verzeichnisse oder
Internet-Fuehrer?  Ich werde bald einen Internet-Kurs an der Uni
Salzburg leiten und bedanke mich fuer die Infos.  

Howard Frederick, Institute for Global Communication Research Desk
From: carlos@carlos
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Access to Portal via the Internet!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:58:37 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <1h8q35INNbh7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj371@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Tooley) writes:

> I was recently informed (by a popular computer magazine) that Portal was
>available via the internet.

telnet portal.com

>Please reply via e-mail, since I frequent so many different usenet
>groups...

so do I, but public postings share info with others who might find it
of interest.

>(1 minute to go here...)

Geez, last time I was on, the freenet allowed me sixty minutes... :)

Merry Christmas!

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From: tanya@omega.kuban.su (Loktionova)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: help! Relcom -> "WTS NETWORK"
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:45:39 GMT
Reply-To: tanya@omega.kuban.su
Organization: Omega (Krasnodar)

I'd appreciate an information: how to reach "WTS NETWORK" from
Relcom.
           Tanya  tanya@omega.kuban.su
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:19:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

cg011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark M Woodward) writes:
: 
: I am using Procomm right now (dos machine), and wonder if there 
: a terminal program that I can download that would do a better job
: of emulating some of the more common terminals used here on the net.
: 
: I don't really need a full on communications package, just something 
: that would make life a bit easier on machines that are set up for
: specific terminals......thanks,
: Mark Woodward -woodwamm@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
: -- 

I have Procomm plus for windows. I used to use Procomm.
I have usually found that syncing up the terminal type
that you define in Procomm with the term type that the Unix
system knows you as (found in your startup files ex: .cshrc)
seems to work for me. Try setting both to either VT100 or 
ansi.
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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin")
Subject: Zen and the Art of Internet-where?
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:53:00 CST
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26819; Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:53:15 -0800
X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA04203; Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:53:12 -0800
X-To: "alt.internet.services.usenet" <alt.internet.services.usenet>

Hey - where can I find an ASCII-only version of this file?
The ones I've run across so far have only been in Postscript or some other
weird for-printing format.  

Thanks in advance...
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Internet access for high schools?
From: tnakada@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Nakada)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:55:00 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
> Does anyone know of any high schools that have been connected to the
> Internet?
> 
> -- 
>       Jesse W. Asher                                          (901)762-6000
>                              Varco-Pruden Buildings
>                  6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN  38119
>     Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com                   UUCP: vpbuild!jessea

Any school that is using FrEdMail/FrEd bbs is able to get and exchange
info with the internet, email and messages.

The newsgroup for this is "SCHLnet".

To quote:

> SCHLnet permits you to exchange project ideas and discussions
> with over 200 FrEdMail sites and growing numbers of other places
> all over the world.  Check it out!
> Al Rogers.

You can e-mail Al for more info at arogers@eis.calstate.edu or
on his own board at arodgers@bonita.cerf.fred.org

To quote again from Al:

> RECEIVING MAIL FROM THE INTERNET 
> --------------------------------
>     With the new FrEdMail gateways in place, you now have a fully 
>     qualified Internet email address. When you meet people at
>     conferences or conventions, YOU TOO can give them your internet 
>     email address. 
> 
>      Examples of current FrEdMail internet addresses include: 
> 
>           Al Rogers: arogers@bonita.cerf.fred.org 
>           Hal Crawley: hcrawley@chpchat.mich.fred.org 
>           Barb Clement: bclement@stlouis.uiuc.fred.org 
>           Enid Figueroa: efiguero@orillas.upr.fred.org 
> 
>     These internet mail addresses contain four pieces of information, 
>     which are read from the right to the left, in the form: 
> 
>         username@node.gateway.fred.org 
> 
>         .FRED.ORG = Official FrEdMail domain, the same for all 
>                         FrEdMail systems 
>         GATEWAY = the internet gateway host closest to your 
>                         FrEdMail node 
>         NODE = your FrEdMail node 
>         USERNAME = your username. 
> 
>     As of January 31, 1992, the FrEdMail network has the following 
>     gateways to the internet: 
> 
>      GATEWAY FrEdMail DOMAIN EXAMPLE GATE HOST 
>      ------ -------------- ----------------- ------ 
>      cerf .cerf.fred.org ocnside.cerf.fred.org sdcoe (San Diego) 
>      uiuc .uiuc.fred.org stlouis.uiuc.fred.org uiuced (Illinois) 
>      mich .mich.fred.org oakschl.mich.fred.org chpchat (Michigan) 
>      llnj .llnj.fred.org spring.llnj.fred.org lawrenc (New Jersey) 
>      upr .upr.fred.org orillas.upr.fred.org orillas (Puerto Rico) 
> 
>     Your FrEdMail internet address is your "username@node" plus the 
>     proper FrEdMail Domain listed in the second column above. For 
>     instance, my address is "arogers@bonita.cerf.fred.org". 


Happy New Year!

Tom
tnakada@eis.calstate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler)
Subject: Re: How to access compuserve from Internet?
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:30:41 GMT

Dave Saunders (dave@intercon.com) wrote:
: In article <1hv7rcINN23c@morrow.stanford.edu>, dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) 
: writes:
: > Do you know how to access CompuServe from internet? I just became a 
: > member, and each time I want to check mail on Compuserve, I need to 
: > disconnect my SLIP modem and dial to CompuServe. I would really 
: > appreciate any clues on how to get to CompuServe from internet. 

: Sadly, that's not currently possible. As we can see, Compuserver does appear 
: to have a real connection to the Internet.

: compuserve.com  preference = 10, mail exchanger = iha.compuserve.com
: compuserve.com  preference = 10, mail exchanger = ihb.compuserve.com
: compuserve.com  preference = 10, mail exchanger = ihc.compuserve.com

: Authoritative answers can be found from:
: COMPUSERVE.com  nameserver = IHA.COMPUSERVE.COM
: COMPUSERVE.com  nameserver = IHB.COMPUSERVE.COM
: COMPUSERVE.com  nameserver = IHC.COMPUSERVE.COM
: COMPUSERVE.com  nameserver = NS.UU.NET
: iha.compuserve.com      internet address = 149.174.128.1
: ihb.compuserve.com      internet address = 149.174.128.2
: ihc.compuserve.com      internet address = 149.174.128.3
: NS.UU.NET       internet address = 137.39.1.3

: However, they will not accept any incoming connections either than mail.

: Dave




: ----------------------------------
: Dave Saunders <dave@intercon.com>
: InterCon Systems Corporation
: "Standards-based networking for a standards-based world"
: When your IQ rises to 28, sell. --Professor Irwin Corey to a heckler


Happily, you can access compuserve through the Internet: telnet
hermes.merit.edu.

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: mo@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: Re: FTP, Communication Software (Protocols)
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: mo@bellcore.com
Organization: Center for Chaotic Repeatabilty
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:07:44 GMT

If by FTP you mean the Internet FTP protocol, FTP introduces NO
additional reliable transport facilities because it rides atop TCP
connections (which provide reliable virtual circuits), which in turn
ride atop unreliable IP datagrams.  

the TCP protocol itself is a bi-directional sliding window protocol -
you can send data each way on one TCP connection with the two traffic
streams independently sequence, error and flow controlled.

a workable TCP is pretty easy to implement (these days!) - see Comer's
books.  OR, just pick up a copy of KA9Q's NET software - it runs
TCP/IP with FTP and all the other usual suspects over everything from
Ethernet to amateur radio links (very good approximation to a waxed
string),  OR you can purchase quality implementations from any of
several vendors (FTP Sotfware, Intercon, TGV, etc, etc).


	-Mike O'Dell

Bellcore??  Bellcore isn't allowed opinions - any found here were
abanonded on the side of the road.
From: zaphod@src4src.linet.org (Steve Wechsler)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Re: PC Pursuit
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:47:56 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source


Anyone know the maximum baud rate that PC pursuit can handle?

-- 
Steve Wechsler | zaphod@src4src.linet.org    |    Call Lady Hawke's Castle BBS:
"We've kept the good old vices and labored to invent a few,  |  (516) 226-4630
 With cake in vulgar surplus we can have it, and eat it too" -- Toy Matinee
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From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Acess in Akron Ohio?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 03:50:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello, I currently have access through the University of Akron
VM system (Vm1.cc.Uakron.Edu)
I am trapped in the dumb-terminal mode (IBM 3270) my account will
expire in May'93 and I am looking for clues. I am willing to
pay a reasonable 'flat' monthly rate. I would like VAX/Unix/Ultrix
type character mode terminal access. I understand Kent State Univ.
offers public access but the number of non-student accounts is
limited, and there is quite a list from what I understand.
As I am relatively new to the net, i am curious of the viable
alternatives besides compuserve in my area. Local Phone access is
a must.
any info would be appreciated, there's no hurry, i've got until
May.
THanx again.
ned.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: access in NYC?
From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:16:16 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

This may be a FAQ, but can anyone tell me if there is a free or 
inexpensive public internet dialin node in the (212) area? I've only
dealt with school-based accounts in the past, but I have a friend who
wants to get hooked up at home.     

Thanks,
Nathan Rose

ndrose@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Subject: internet bbs-holland
Reply-To: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:04:41 EST

Hello

I am looking for a Public Access BBS with Internet/Usenet Access in
Holland.  Particularly I am looking for one located in the City of
Zoetermeer.

After searching through BBS lists, I managed to find one in Zoetermeer
called "PC SQUARE".

If anyone can help me by providing e-mail addresses of BBS's or
institutions which I may contact in Zoetermeer or elsewhere in the
Netherlands, or an individual I should contact it would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Richard

E-mail : richard.mohammed@canrem.com
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From: mwande@hammel.qal.berkeley.edu (Mike Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: internet access from Netherlands
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: qal.qal.berkeley.edu



Hi, I'm looking for a public access number local to Wassenaar (near
The Hague) in the Netherlands which I can use to get access to
internet, excluding Compu$erve and MCI mail. I don't know if there
is an equivalent to an area code there, but the number I'll be calling
from is something like 31-175140??? .
Thanks, I would greatly appreciate any leads!
Mike Anderson
    
-- 
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"And I would say to those out around the country. 'Take a hard look now.
Don't let that rabbit be pulled out of the hat by one hand and 25 other 
rabbits dumped on you in another.'" - George Bush, 1/24/90 
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