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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:16:38 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pipedemo version 3

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:31:43 PST Chuck Boeheim said:
>For those new to the list and the archives, all contributions are
>encoded using the KNAPSACK package.  To get the introductory materials
>to the list, the DEKNAP EXEC, and the full KNAPSACK PACKAGE,
>send the following commands to the listserv:

     What LISTSERV should they be sent to?

>
>  GET CMSPIP-L PACKAGE
>  GET KNAPSACK PACKAGE

     I tried MARIST and it reported that the package KNAPSACK was unknown.

>
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>Chuck Boeheim                                  Boeheim@SLAC.Stanford.Edu
>Server Computing Group                                    (415) 926-4640

Rich
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:32:14 EDT
From:         Wayne Smith <WTS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New PIPEDEMO Troubles

and my fetch of the new PIPEDEMO resulted in a "stall" with PIPETST1,
especially if "ENTER" was hit to pause the pipe execution.  (CMS
Pipelines 1.1.6 on ESA-ESA 1.0).

Otherwise V3 looks like a wonderful enhancement :-)
(THANKS Chuck)

cheers,
wayne

Wayne T. Smith, CCP
Systems Group - CAPS              BITNET/CREN:  wts@maine
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:32:35 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Capturing RSCS return messages

     I am new to this list, although not new to PIPES.  I have looked in the
archives and not found what I am looking for, although it is possible I have
not looked closely enough.

     I am trying to capture the results of RSCS querys and PIPE them into some
filters to massage the responses so I can output them in a reasonable format.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?  It looks like 'starmsg' might be
the way to go, but I have found no good write-up on it.  Is there anything out
there that might explain it clearer?

     Any information in this area would be helpful and appreciated.  Thanks in
advance.

Rich


Richard Seifert, Jr                    BITNET---MAINT@CLVM
Systems Programmer/Postmaster/NAd      INTERNET-MAINT@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU
Educational Resources Center
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:00:50 PST
From:         Chuck Boeheim <BOEHEIM@SLACVM.BITNET>
Subject:      PDCALL and PDADD missing

Two small files were inadvertantly left out of today's pipedemo
distribution.  I've replaced the PIPEDEMO KNAPSACK, but if you've
already retrieved it and found the files missing, here they are:

:READ PDCALL REXX
/*-------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* PDCALL REXX - Process a callpipe for PIPEDEMO.                    */
/*-------------------------------------------------------------------*/

  parse arg argline

  'rexx (pipedemo exec) PDCALL' argline

:READ PDADD REXX
/*-------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* PDADD REXX  - Process an addpipe for PIPEDEMO.                    */
/*-------------------------------------------------------------------*/

  parse arg argline

  'rexx (pipedemo exec) PDADD' argline

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Chuck Boeheim                                  Boeheim@SLAC.Stanford.Edu
Server Computing Group                                    (415) 926-4640
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From:         Perry Ruiter <PRUITER@BCSC02.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pipedemo version 3

  Here's a CMS 8 version of the I/O fix. It was made by taking the RPQ fix
posted here and hand fitting it to CMS 8. No warranties - but it works for
me. It goes against DMSPSS. ... Perry
./ I 00540000          $ 545000 5000                  08/11/92 14:27:13
*  5 Aug 1992  216 Fool CONSOLE right.
00545000
./ R 06690000          $ 6694990 4990                 08/11/92 14:27:13
 LA      R4,CONQRY            Get query response from OPEN
06694990
* * *
Perry Ruiter W131 1 Plum (604)389-3130
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:25:18 LCL
From:         Bridget Rutty <SYSBXR@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New PIPEDEMO Troubles

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:07:57 PDT Dwight M. McCann said:
>I fetched the new PIPEDEMO package from MARIST this morning.  I fired it
>up with PIPEDEMO PIPETST1.  It wrote the screen, sat for a while,
>complained about stalling and died.  After it died, I had to re-IPL CMS
>to recover (no command output.)  I am VM/XA SP 2.1, CMS SLU 210, CP
>SLU 212.

I did the exact same thing, it told me I had 2 disconnected users (should
have been 85), but I didn't have to re-IPL.  We're running HPO 5, CP slu 514
CMS 523.  I sent Chuck a note offering him the console and output files from
the test.  I haven't heard from him yet, but then he's probably just
getting to work :-).
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:16:28 LCL
From:         Bridget Rutty <SYSBXR@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Pipedemo V 3

I have acquired the new release of Pipedemo and tried all the test
files.  I am happy to report that the stall I experienced with PIPETST1
does not occur now.  PIPETST2 and PIPETST5 fail because PDCALL is not
found.  I also do not have PDADD.  Someone else mentioned that these
files are missing, but I have no record that anyone reported where
they can be found.

All the other test files work; I found PIPETST4 particularly fascinating.
My system is HPO Release 5, CP slu 514 and CMS slu 523.  Oh, and Pipes
1.60 of course :-).

Thanks for a wonderful tool; this release is even more fun to watch
than the old one.  Maybe tomorrow I can try it with some of my own
pipes.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:18:14 LCL
From:         "John P. Hartmann" <PIPER@VNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Pipelines source.

 RE: Pipelines source.

 The pipeline is integrated in VM/ESA 1.1.

 The PIPEIF maclib is in DMSPIPIF COPY; the rest of the library is in
 DMSPIPE COPY.  Both are in DMSOM.

 There is a one-to-one correspondance with the PO modules; try the
 DMSxxx module for PIPxxx.  This doesn't work for all (for instance
 DMSREX was already taken ;-).  Then look for the entry point name
 (FULLSCR) in DMSPRM; it directs you to the module.

     j.                                                john@vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:07:57 PDT
From:         "Dwight M. McCann" <DWIGHT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      New PIPEDEMO Troubles

I fetched the new PIPEDEMO package from MARIST this morning.  I fired it
up with PIPEDEMO PIPETST1.  It wrote the screen, sat for a while,
complained about stalling and died.  After it died, I had to re-IPL CMS
to recover (no command output.)  I am VM/XA SP 2.1, CMS SLU 210, CP
SLU 212.

Dwight
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:02:06 -0400
From:         The Observer <moehn@MAX.MPIP-MAINZ.MPG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Accidents

>.. and do you believe,that Charles de Gaulle died as he died ? No,it was
>a long hand of soviet KGB,which has been VERY experienced in this kind
>of job.Car accident is only a homework for schoolboy ...-as you see,
>here in Slovakia there are only unexperienced people in this field.They
>even do not always succeed - our former minister Baksay is an example.

>                                            A.Pevala

Who knows... anything is possible in this world...

The Observer
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From:         Constance Horak <chorak@MIZAR.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label
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I have tried several times to send a message to the list of Discussion of
Middle Europe Topics - without success.  Can you please advise me how to do
it.  Thank you very much.  Connie Horak
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:15:44 EDT
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Transfer
              Kucera" at Sep 3, 92 6:45 pm

Henry Kucera writes:
>
> No need, you just did it for me. As I said, Benes must have been a political
> genius convicing all those big powers to play his game.

         Very good, Henry.  You are getting my points at last.
Political geniuses are able to get their immensely evil deeds
accepted as a public good.    Yes, like Hitler, Benes was a political
genius. That is also why he got along so well with Stalin.  He was so
good at spin control that to this day there are monuments to his
memory around Prague and books praising his deeds, which essentially
were to preside over the murder of more of his own citizens, the
judicial executions of more of his own citizens, and the deportation
of more of his own citizens than any other leader in central Europe.
Does that make things clear?

>
>  How is that again? I thought you said (supra) that the Communists halted the
> deportations.

          I said that, strangely enough, becasuse they DID halt the
deportations.   Is that clear?   Please stop reading the issue of
Lidove Noviny a couple of weeks back which said the deportations were
a Communist idea. They were the idea of the Czech government-in-exile,
under Eduard Benes.  A National Socialist party idea.  The Social
Democratic party, which had many  German and Hungarian members, was
against it and the Communists were wishy washy, then for it, and in
the end against it.


> I gather you wanted them to deport the Hungarians as well?

          No.  Benes did.  See the reference I have already cited that
benes, through Ripka, asked the Soviet Union to have the deportation
of the Hungarians added to the armistice treaties.  Unlike Benes and
the primitive Czech chauvinists who follow him, I do not favor the
deportation of anyone.


> However, the Jews did nothing to Messrs. Tiso, Tuka and Co. except for their
> race. It would not be an issue if--as Mr. Marcinka so well said--the Slovak
> state 1939-45 were not so readily defended or even idealized by nationalist
> Slovaks even today. Unfortunately, it is.

          Hey, some Czechs idealize and defend the governments of
Eduard Benes!!  No one's perfect.


    Jan George Frajkor
 School of Journalism                      _!_
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 Ottawa, Ontario                            !
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:29:49 -0400
From:         The Observer <moehn@MAX.MPIP-MAINZ.MPG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Where is Croatia?

Asking an American how many ex-Soviet republics he could name I got
this result:

"Georgia, Croatia, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, after that the
memory gets a little fuzzy, Kazikistan??"

The Croatians would be pleased to be a CIS member, I think. Would remove
them a little bit from evil Serbia.
The sad aspect: If average people do not even know WHO is suffering from
war in Yugoslavia then the popular lack of interest in stopping it is
well explained...

The Observer
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:19:22 BST
From:         Francis Rysavy x3292 <frysavy@MRC-CRC.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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> >
> > I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
> > lustrated." What does it mean ?
> >
> > Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
> >
>
> It means that that person was not a officer of secret police or
> was not a collaborator of secret police or was not a communist party official
> or his files weren't found in secret police archives.
> In other words - it means that this person was a subject to post-communist
> "witch hunt" and didn't lose his civil rights.
> --

Does the last sentence imply that after the demise of the Nazi Reich we
had a post-nazi "which hunt" ? If this would be the case than we should
be  very concerned about the implications.

Kind Regards

Francis R.Rysavy, Harrow, UK
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:20:04 EST
From:         HAMMERL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label

Would those readers who respond privately to Connie Horak's request for
information on women please be kind enough to send the postings to me
as well.  I was just asked to give a lecture on the topic "Women in the
New Czecho-Slovakia--Progress or Retreat?."  My lecture will be on Oct. 20.

Thank you.

Louise Hammer
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:09:35 -0400
From:         The Observer <moehn@MAX.MPIP-MAINZ.MPG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Dubcek's "accident"

What evidence did the TV provide re. Meciar's part in Dubcek's accident?

The Observer
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:20:41 BST
From:         Francis Rysavy x3292 <frysavy@MRC-CRC.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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> > > >
> > > > I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
> > > > lustrated." What does it mean ?
> > > >
> > > > Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
> > > >
> > >
> > > It means that that person was not a officer of secret police or
> > > was not a collaborator of secret police or was not a communist party
>  official
> > > or his files weren't found in secret police archives.
> > > In other words - it means that this person was a subject to post-communist
> > > "witch hunt" and didn't lose his civil rights.
> > > --
> >
> > Does the last sentence imply that after the demise of the Nazi Reich we
> > had a post-nazi "which hunt" ? If this would be the case than we should
> > be  very concerned about the implications.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Francis R.Rysavy, Harrow, UK
> >
>
> Well, after all there is one small difference between Czecho-Slovakia 1992
> and Germany. Some organizations in Germany were proclaimed as criminal.
> This as far as I know caused some legal problems - "lex retro non agit".
> I am positvely convinced that some activities from the past should be
> condemned, but it should be done very carefully.
> --
>

There might be a difference between the CSFR and FRG in 1992, certainly
CSFR is economically not so comfortable as FRG at present :-). But do
not you think that there are definitely similarities between Nazism and
its adherents after WW2 and Communism and its adherents after the Cold
war ? Both Nazism and Communism were cruel dictatorial systems
responsible for deaths of tens of milions of people and persons who
served such systems bear some responsibility for what has happened.
Some more, some less. If one believes the currently available
historical sources Communism killed even more people than Nazism.  Does
it not sound logical that in the same vein the de-nazification was
carried out in post-Nazi Germany, lustrations are carried out in the
CSFR today. There is no need to call this a "witch hunt". Could you
kindly expand on your last sentence ? What do you mean by " it should
be done very carefully ".


Francis R.Rysavy, Harrow, UK
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From:         HAMMERL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label

As I received a copy of the message I had sent requesting information
on "Women in the New Czecho-Slovakia," I noticed that my e-mail address
did not show up.  Let me give it now.

	HAMMERL@ucs.indiana.edu

Thank you.

Louise B. Hammer
Slavic Dept.
Indiana University
Bloomington, IN 47405
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:03:15 EDT
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Remarkable label

>Can somebody tell me, when was EDUARD BENES the president of CSFR ?
>
>Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada

Mr. Ceska, you wouldn't expect accuracy from Prof. Frajkor, would you? As to
Benes presiding at more hangings than any other president of Czechoslovakia (I
think he meant), that is simply untrue. That fellow's name was Gottwald (Benes
had resigned shortly after the Communist coup). And Gottwald was of course the
leader of the same party to which Mr. Meciar belonged at one time. So, history
is often different from TV docudramas.

Henry Kucera
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From:         Grzegorz Wapinski <ekogw@HALINA.UNIV.GDA.PL>
Subject:      Re: Czech lustrations
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>
> I just read in a Czech newspaper that somebody was "positively
> lustrated." What does it mean ?
>
> Adolf Ceska, Victoria, B.C., Canada
>

It means that that person was not a officer of secret police or
was not a collaborator of secret police or was not a communist party official
or his files weren't found in secret police archives.
In other words - it means that this person was a subject to post-communist
"witch hunt" and didn't lose his civil rights.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:49:55 -0400
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Constitution of Slovak republic
              Kucera" at Sep 3, 92 11:07 am

Henry Kucera writes:

...  (deleted much material re minorities mentioned in the Slovak constitution)

>
>   That's really nice. And the ungrateful members of the ethnic minorities do
> not even appreciate it. They offered numerous amendments, lost and eventually
> walked out in protest. How strange. Moreover, they issued a statement today
> worrying about their rights. Somebody should tell them how lucky they are.
> They need a teacher, I think.

          Slovakia has minority language protection laws and minority language
schools.  Hungarian and other languages can be used in governments
where the minorities have 20 per cent or more of the population.
              The Czech Republic has NO minority language rights at
all.
       ( Vaclav Havel, 1990, when asked if there will be Slovak
language schools for 300-thousand Slovaks in Czechia, said:  "We cannot
afford such luxuries." )

       Nitra, Slovakia,  has an institute for the study and promotion of
the Romany (gypsy ) culture.
    Brno, Czech Republic, has race riots where gypsies are beaten.

          Slovakia HAS minorities.  Czechia deported them.


> P.S. BTW, the reference to the "heritage of Greater Moravia" in the Slovak
> Constitution (which you did not translate) is also interesting. It may not be
>well known but it was the Czech writer Karel Capek (a Masaryk biographer and a
> "Czechoslovak" par exellence) who originally suggested after WW1 that the
> coutry should not be called Czechoslovakia but "Greater Moravia." To complete
> the irony, he did it--if I am not mistaken--in an essay in Lidove noviny, the
> newspaper much mentioned (with ill will)  on this list.


          Greater Moravia is the heritage of several Slavic tribes,
including the Czechs, Moravians, Sorbs and Slovaks.  France is the
heritage of Quebec, Louisiana, and parts of Africa.  It doesn't
necessarily mean people will unite politically around such a heritage.


    Jan George Frajkor
 School of Journalism                      _!_
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