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From: murali@uts.amdahl.com (K. Muralidharan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Brahmin bashing
Keywords: brahmin
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:57:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I was very happy when our site finally started getting soc.culture.tamil
but when I started reading some news articles I lost my interest to
pursue reading further.
Is this newsgroup really to discuss tamil, tamil culture etc.,?
I see a lot of brahmin bashing by a lot of netters including one Mr. Vishnu?
In fact I don't see anything else other than brahmin bashing from this fellow.
You guys should have named this news group soc.brahmin.bashing.

Even if our forefathers have done something wrong is it going to help
anyone now to keep hitting the brahmins now?

We do a lot for tamil in the bay area to promote tamil.  We have started a
Tamil radio station and we arrange for cultural programs to collect money
to create a tamil chair at the University of California, Berkeley.  
There is going to be one big cultural program by the end of this year
performed by tamils and other language people to collect money for
the Berkeley Tamil chair.
We are doing a lot in a united way for a common cause but, here in 
soc.culture.tamil and alt.culture.tamil I only see people trying to
alienate other people.  What a pity?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:55:23 GMT

In <92246.095106IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T.C.A.Venkatesan <IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>>stupidity of the people who are perforoming/sponsoring them.  It also
>>reflects, in my opinion, the primitive (ie backward) nature of the Vedas.
>>
>>Meenan Vishnu


>   As long as the meat is being used for feeding people, it is difficult
>to condemn these acts. All the meat in this world comes from killing
>'innocent' animals. One either condemns meat-eating or forget the
>whole thing. If the animals are just sacrificed and thrown away, or if
>killing itself is not done properly, then it is barbaric and needs to
>be stopped.

>   The spiritual upliftment argument may be just a ploy to satisfy
>witnesses (after all, most people that eat meat do not see the
>butchering process whereas a ritual is a public act) - like kosher
>meat perhaps, or like some muslims do.

>   Condemnation of the entire vedas based on this is not right. From what
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
>I have seen, the vedas and in fact hinduism, have lot of contradictory
>messages. The right approach is to teach the common man how to pick
>up the right stuff. Saying that everything about either is wrong is
>a faulty approach!

>Cheers,
>Venky.

 but, hope that you don't treat this as a flame.
There is a saying in coimbatore area.
"saathathilE pee irukku, iruthaapale oothunu sonnana


If there is shit in the food, how can we filter it and eat. We have to
throw the food. We know all the veda and varNa and things and
their interpretations, defence and what not does not have 
any sense. Why do people still defend that? 
>  "dream on 'til your dream comes true"
>                                           - Aerosmith
>  "the child is grown, the dream is gone"
>                                           - Pink Floyd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: Some more siledais
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:03:39 GMT

In article <9208290357.AA12812@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
|>                Some  more silEdais 
|>              ------------------------
|>    K.V.Jagannadhan, editor of `KalaimagaL' is known for his 
|>  `silEdai's. The first silEdai in this posting involves him.
> [*** Rest of the article deleted ***]

I have also heard one about Ki. Vaa. Ja; I don't know if it's fact or
fiction. Apparently, Ki. Vaa. Ja. and others were travelling by car,
which stalled at some point. Everyone got out, and the others started
pushing the car, requesting Ki. Vaa. Ja. to stand by-- to which he is
said to have replied, "Naan enna, thaLLaadhavan endru ninaitthergaLaa?!"
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anbudan,
Aravind.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Ramesh K. Gopi)
Subject: music club
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Reply-To: rgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Ramesh K. Gopi)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:08:32 GMT

Friends,

  I, being an ardent fan of Carnatic Music, especially of Carnatic Music stepped in and rendered in its traditional purity, have a proposal to make.  I propose that those of us who really appreciate this music, form a music aprreciation club over this network.  It is hard to arrive at a universal definition for what one considers `classical' so I can only speak for myself.  The only artists I listen to are the following people:

1. K.V. Narayanaswami
2. Madurai Mani Iyer
3. Ariakudi Ramanujam Iyengar
4. Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer
5. D.K. Patammal and Jayaraman
6. Alathur Brothers
7. M.D. Ramanathan

  I don't think all our musical tastes have to be the same.  However, there should be a sort of common theme in all the music that we appreciate.  For example, I have not mentioned G.N.B or Musiri, etc.  However, one may include such artists in this category if they wish.

  The purpose of this club is primarily to exchange and copy tapes.  Many of us have tapes among us that others would benefit from as well as enjoy listening to. If we had such a club, the otherwise laborious task of collecting rare tapes etc would be facilitated.  In this short life, it is very unfortunate, if we don't fulfill the potential to listen to as much good music as possible, and take advantage of this excellent avenue of communication to further this goal.  This club will have no heirarchy(presi





dent, vp etc).  Everyone is an equal member.  Here's one way in which it could work(I am totally open to suggestions, etc).  Everyone who is interested in joining, may submit to me by e-mail some kind of interest form which would indicate the individual's type of musical inclination and would include specifics such as artists,etc.  I, in turn would compile a comprehensive list including all these forms and post it on to the network along with every individual's e-mail adress.  This list would be periodical





ly updated if and whenever necessary by myself or anyone else willing to do that job.  If you have any questions or comments you could contact me personally by e-mail.

Ramesh K. Gopi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Kamban on SurppaNagai
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:50:13 GMT

In <9209041601.AA02540@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

>               Kamban on SurppaNagai
>             ------------------------
>   The verse using K.Srinivasan's ADAMI transliteration scheme:

> \(TAMIL)
>   panchiyoLir vinchukuLir pallavam aNunga
>   sencheviya kanchanimir cheeradiya laagi
>   ancholiLa  mannaiyena annamena minnum
>   vanchiyena nanchamena vanchamagaL vandhaaL .

>   aNunga = do with pain
>  SurppaNagai's very cold and decorated feet are so soft
> that the act of walking on the hard ground is a pain for
> her.               

>  sencheviya =  sharp ears ( chevi = ear )
>  kanchanimir = the sound of anklet
>  cheeradiyalaagi = cheer + adi + kalaagi
>                  Some readers have translated `adi' as feet.
>                  `adi' really means `step'. This means the
>                  act of walking with short steps. `cheer'
>                  means `chiriya'= short.
                          ^^^^^^^
chiRiya is short. cheer could mean glory sometimes. cheerum siRappum.
her cautious and surreptious gait and steps (taking care that
only her sharp ears "senchevi" could listen) could be glorious.

kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil

In soc.culture.tamil, thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan) writes:


    >While i fully agree with the theme highlighted by aruna, the theme which 
    >caught me first in that well-taken movie by balachander is:

  >Suicide is not the solution for one's frustrations about life and/or society.
  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  > i really don't remember if he says that in words in the movie, although i 
  > vaguely remember rajesh saying that to his son's friends in the movie.

The son , reads out a poem from a Vairamuthu collection,  which  has the same
theme.

    anban,
    thayumanavan

Jawahar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: Senthil Jokes.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:02:56 GMT

Goundamani: [paadugiraar] Enakkoru magan pirappaan....

Senthil: Avan ennaip pOlavE iruppaan.
[Athukkappuram enna nadanthirukkumnu neengaLe yoogichiruppeenga]

M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: murthy@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTHY SAMNATHAN)
Subject: ATTENTION: LOOKING FOR G. SARAVANA OR FRIENDS OF G. SARAVANA
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:47:07 GMT

Hello,
      My name is Sam Murthy and I am an old friend of G.Saravana from our
days at Montfort school (boarding school in Yercaud, India). Years ago
Saravana came to school in the U.S.
    I am trying to reach him or any of his friends. Please email me at:
	    murthy@ecf.toronto.edu
		      or
    call me at:
	    (416) 751-2899 collect.

 I believe he first attented a school called the Christford school in
 California.

 Please email me at your earliest. Gratefully,


Sam.
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Chiranjeevi and Rajnikanth outstrip Amitabh Bachan
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:38:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


The latest price tags of film stars according to INDIA TODAY, Aug 31, 1992.


	Chiranjeevi		1.25 Crore
	Rajnikanth		1 crore
	Amitabh Bachan		75 lakhs
	Vijaya Shanti		40 lakhs
	Sridevi		<	Vijaya Shanti (price not mentioned)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: A CHALLENGE TO THE OPPONENTS OF CASTE BASED RESERVATIONS
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.221855.26000@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>
	[most of a well written article deleted]

>The most apalling thing in the whole reservation issue is the hypocrisy of the
>backward caste people when it comes to reservation for the SC/ST. Because these
>people who were in the very bottom of the society[the real "centuries" of opress
>-ed people] are the ones who need reservations more than any body else. Yet the
>backward caste people time and again critisize the reservations for SC/ST's. And
>the reaction of FCs towards the SC/ST's is no different. These people[both

	In my experience, most of the FCs are pissed off only at the reservation
to BCs and they do not mind (and some even support) support to SC/STs. One
reason is there is much more room for a caste to be 'misclassified' as a BC
than as a SC or ST.

>BC and FC] can never digest the fact that SC/ST's can get into a particular
>college with considerably lesser marks. And they conveniently forget how these
>people were and still are oppressed in the society. 
>
>One common tactics of the upper caste people is to point out one or two SC/STs
>who are rich and argue how their reservation is unjust. But to my knowledge and
>my experience in college I found most of the SC/STs are poor and still education
	See my comment above.

>not for the reservations. And once again I would like to stress the fact that
>economic well being is not a factor like most people argue. Because there are 
>rich and poor in all castes[in case of SC/STs most of them are poor] and the 
>economic criteria would not have achieved what the caste based reservations 
>achieved.Only because of caste based reservations we now have a balanced society
>Other wise brahmins would be studying science and technology, chettiars would be
>lending money and kaikolars would be weaving and so on. One other argument is
>that the general standard of education has gone down because of reservations.
>On the contrary the gap between the classes[FCs and BCs, BCs and SC/STs] has 
>narrowed considerably over the years[ref: cut off marks for admission].
>

	If balance w.r.t. caste is needed in education, why not in other
fields ? There are many areas (money lending, land ownership, etc. etc) in
which brahmins are underrepresented. How about reservations for them? For
example, a license to start a particular type of business in which brahmins
are under represented, is given to brahmins even when they are less qualified
than others ..

You have a valid point when you say that a rich BC/SC still deserves some
'push' in education and the long term effect will be good. 

How about an amendment ? Money is no problem for him, right? He should pay
a heavy sum for his college seat (much more than the fees) and for every
poor FC  who gets high(er) marks, some 'compensation' is given. Some sort of
'bartering'.

>Sincerely yours,
>M.P.Premkumar

Thanks for a balanced posting

Jagadisan Shivakumar
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Canada Tamil Cultural Association, vaaNi vizhaa
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:44:01 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr


            Canada Tamil Cultural Association celebrates
                            Vani Vizhaa
                 On October 3, 1992 Saturday, PM.
      at 4115 St.Jaques St. Montreal (Metro Station St-Henri)

In connection with that, a 'pEchchup pOddi' is being organized. The
winners will receive, thangap padhakkam, kalaik kEdayam or vetrik kiNNam.

Ages 5-10:  Time 3 minutes: Subject:  navaraathiriyin mahimai

Ages 11-15: Time 5 minutes: Subjects: selvaththud chelvam kalvich chelvam
                                      onru paddaal undu vaazhvu
                                      aalaya vazhipaaddil petrOrin pangu
Ages 16-20: Time 8 minutes: Subjects: hindu madhamum vaazhkkai muRaiyum
                                      anniya naaddil samaya vazhipaadu
                                      baarathiyum vigyaanamum
The contest will be held on 26, 27 September, 1992.
viNNappam should be in by September 14, 1992.

Canada Tamil Cultural Association P.O. Box 1691, St. Laurent QC. H4K 4Z2
Library: 5491 Rue Victoria, Suite 226, Montreal, QC., H3W 2P9
Telephone (514) 733 4307

Montreal is 350 miles (7 hours) from New York city.
350 miles from Boston (8 hours) and 190 miles from Albany NY (4 hours),
60 miles from Burlington VT. (2 hours), 60 miles from Plattsburg NY (1.5 hrs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by  K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Note: I am not connected with the Association in any office bearing capacity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: achanta@oats.ecn.purdue.edu (Achanta )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: ...... QWERTY keyboard designed by a tamilian ... ?
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:09:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep3.230459.28314@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.220304.6936@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>> ( horse sacrifice ) is reported twice in Valmiki Ramayana, one by
>> Dasaradha and the other by Rama. Graphic details are given in the
>> same epic. Bhagavatham reports Prthu magaraja performing an aswamedha
>					^^^
>
>I wonder if the standard keyboard that everyone uses (called the 
>QWERTY keyboard) was designed by tamilians -- because the G and H
>are next to each other.
>
>
>
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>
>To the members of SCT ---- ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-)

Our Seetam.... seems to have a problem with Tamilians. He never misses a chance
to take-off on them. Can anyone enlighten me on the source of the problem ?
Srini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tastelessness or shear hypocracy
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:04:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Swinburne University of Tech., Melbourne, Australia.

In <1992Aug28.142052.24534@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:

>I agree with most of the things you said. I think that the spread of
>gun-culture in otherwise peaceful TN is because of sl-tamil-terrorists and its
>sympathizers. If anyone wants to have proof on this, check the old newspapers
>from Madras and from Trichy

>RT


It wouldn't have happened if you people and your goverments haven't
supported in the first place for their own benifits.

We are not "Weanda Penndati".  Because of your lack of foresight (govt's)
we are going through all the miseries now.

To change colour we are not patchontikal.

Cheers,
Sri
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: SCT is 40th in the list of per-reader cost
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Sep3.162819.12028
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep3.142554.20888@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>Posted by reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid) in 
>news.misc,news.admin,misc.misc,news.groups.

This is probably a good place to point out the rather
large amount of material included in a number of follow-ups
in this group. I understand that deleting lines can be time-
consuming. But, I try to do it keeping in mind the total
amount of time wasted by all the (9300 approx) readers who
might not need all those cascading quotations (not that
all those quotations make sense to begin with.) I don't
know if this affects the cost aspect referred to, however.

My () cents, obviously.

Sthan.

>venkat@jetson.uh.edu                  | If you love something,set it free.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:17:38 GMT

In <1992Sep4.141053.2785@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

>[attributions deleted; all errors are mine]
>I feel all this is more horse sacrifice, personally. Although, I can
>understand the inherent kuRaL'ic kindness of MV and SP as evidenced
>by their preoccupation with the dead (in all its morbidity.)


>Sthan.

>PS. Has anyone heard the story about how the bucket (or whatever)
>ispended by the rope hung in mid-air as Vasuki attended to the
>kuRal 1330 thaan! saami puthneeds of VaLLuvar? Anybody know about her take on this story?


kuRaL 1330 thaan! nIr puthu kuRaL yezhutha yaarum azhaikavillai.

nIr kuRaLai pazhikavO! kizhikavO! thEvaiyillai.

muyanRaalum iyallathu.



  evar sonna vasuki kathai kuRaL number yenna?


neer vandhu kuRaLai pazhikavO! kizhikavO! thEvaiyillai saami!

There is no treatise equal to kuRaL in any indian language. John
Murdoch

The kuRaL is the masterpiece of tamizh literature-one of the
purest and highest expressions of human thought. M. Ariel

Few saints have given as much knowledge as he has done in
minimum number of wor aNthanar because they are kind
in their conduct towards all creatures.

piRappal thAzhvu -uyarvu pEsum vedaththai Esinaal
ungaLLukku yenna kashdamiaah!

ungaLukkum atharkkum thodarpu illai yendraal En kavalai
pada vENdum?

appadi thodarpu iruppin kavalaikku uriyarvakaL
maRRavuyir kaL thaan..

"piRapokkum yella uyirkkum siRapovvaa
 seithozil vERRumai yaan"

Kathiravan

"anthaNar yenpOr aRavOrmaR Revuyirkkuny
 senthaNmai pooNdozhuka laan"

The virtuous are truely called
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: U vs V ......
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:05:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.18370.2aa750ff


	Again... We are in the middle of a YOU versus WE war.  In my opinion,
this war is because of the  inability of some readers to distinguish all the
parties involved, and their improper  generalization.  Also, one should note
that there are  individual opinions  which may not be the popular (majority)
opinion, before conclude on anything.

	We know that  there have been so many parties involved in this issue.
From Sri Lankan side we have Tamil people, Sinhalese people, Government/poli-
ticans, Armed forces, LTTE, other militant groups and individuals. Similarly,
from Indian side, we  have Tamil  people, other Indians, central  government,
Tamilnadu government, opposition politicians (Tamilnadu, central), IPKF, RAW
and individuals.

THINK.... THINK....

Thanks,

Vicky:
UMass, Sep 04