HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Giants
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:29:59 GMT

In<schmata.721507353@camelot> schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein) writes:
>In <11NOV199209172130@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:

>>The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
>>This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major League 
>>Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there for

I dunno -- have you ever seen the Kingdome?  Go to a few games there and
you'll be *wishing* you could sit in a cold windy place.

>>years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 

>This is perhaps the worst decision MLB has made in a long time. They must     
>really hate Tampa, and I would imagine the feeling's mutual right about now...
>Seriously, can anyone remember a major league organization turning down a 
>bigger offer that forces a team to stay in a facility as horrible as Candlesick

They turn down bigger offers all the time.  Well, not *all* the time,
but... (As Sherri continually notes, Lurie originally *bought* the
Giants for less than the other offer, from Toronto.)

>(intentional misspelling there), playing before fans who campaigned so hard for
>them to stay just so they could have the privilege of not bothering to go to
>games for another X amount of years? I mean, these people wanted the Giants so

When the team is good, they go.  When they do stupid things and have a
lousy team, people don't go.

>badly, and yet they voted down something like 4 propositions to build new stad-

No.  The voters turned down the propositions.  Not the "fans."

And that's besides the point; I'd vote against a stadium for the Orioles
(too late) even if it meant they might leave, too.  For some reason, I'm
philosophically opposed to handing taxpayer's money to multimillionaires
when there are plenty of worthwhile causes that need the money more.

Let Bob Lurie build his own stadium instead of trying to steal from the
pockets of the people of San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Clara, etc.

>iums. Sad. I'm glad Tampa's suing; they deserve a team, and the Giants would be
>much closer to Sarasota than the Marlins. It would be that much easier to see 
>the Cubs in person that way... =(

First of all, no city "deserves" a team.  Secondly, this would hurt baseball
as a whole.  It would close off the entire south to the American League
and close off a major expansion site.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Yankees pitching staff
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.212420.2601@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

>  What abot Camillio (SP?) Perez?? Didn't he get thrown out for just one season?
>He should be back this year and should still be on the Yanks, shouldn't he?
>
>-Ron
>

Do you mean Pascual ... the druggie who got suspended?  It was the
last year of his contract (thank God!) ...  I believe he filed for
free agency or something.  In any case, the Yanks do not want him on
their team.


-Mike
From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:55:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Nov12.015235.5332@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1ds6cdINNhlc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) writes:
>>is the new Bo Schembechler of the Tigers, the BS settlement 
>>for expansion, and finally the blatant breach of contract.
>
>I know the Florida fans are upset, and I very much sympathize with them
>(and am pulling for more expansion), but I find it hard to see a breach of
>contract claim here.  When the Tampa Bay group signed the contract, they
>knew full well that MLB claimed the right to reject the sale.  You can
>argue whether MLB does indeed have that right or not (which goes to the
>issue of whether the anti-trust exemption would hold up in court again),
>but I don't see a breach of contract.  The contract stipulated that Bob
>Lurie would not consider any other offers, and he didn't; it stipulated
>nothing as to what the rest of the owners could or couldn't do, or as to
>what the city of San Francisco could or couldn't do. 
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com
>
Hear, Hear!!!

luigi

--
Randy Palermo   luigi@csd.sgi.com    Fax: (415)961-6502
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
"Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: defensive range ratings...
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:02:14 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

the thing about defensive range is it takes into account things like
 positioning.

so player A, call him pat listach, might be faster than player B.
 but if listach doesn't position himself well, doesn't get a good
 first step, he will have less "range" than player B, who could
 be a lead anvil.

- bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: griffin@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Sean McGerty)
Subject: Australian Ball - Strange ground.
Summary: Anybody seen a ground like this?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:44:00 GMT

Sydney Blues(Blue Jays) vs Perth Heat(Astros).  -(affiliations)
 
Imagine a home ground that looks like this....
 
 
                 |\
          ______ |.\  <-- Net 
         /      \|..\
        /        \ ..|
        \         \ .| 30ft
         \         \ |
          \         \|
           \        /
            \  /\  /
       300ft \/  \/ 230ft
              \  /
               \/  
 
and you just know the game's gonna be different. The Blues, who were given no 
chance at the start of the season, ended up 2-1 against the Waverly Reds and 
start this game 2nd on the table.
 
                                                               
The game progresses through the 5th dig with the Blues down 6-0 after 
submitting 3 runs in the 2nd and solid line drive RBI's in the 4th and 5th.
 
The Blues then score 10 runs (???) in the top of the 6th - new pitcher was 
brought in after letting in 4 runs. The Heat then hit 3 single run home runs 
during the remainder of the game which then ends at 11-10 to the Blues.
 
My question is, are there any grounds in the states this demented?
 
Sean.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: HR's in Denver
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:19:36 GMT

In article <91cq92m@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>In article <1drmcjINNk87@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.235637.1109@cs.uwp.edu> krueger@cs.uwp.edu (Gerald  
>>Krueger) writes:
[discussion on Rockies park effects.]
>
>I think that the number of doubles and (because of the promise to make the
>stadium "quirky") triples will be higher than average, possibly more out of
>whack than the HRs.  Just a question: anybody have numbers of doubles home and
>away for Cleveland Stadium in 1991?  Big outfield, grass...the same attributes
>as Coors.  I'd guess that Coors would play the same, without the low number of
>home runs.  The lower air density might affect the OFs of opposing teams, as
>well...assuming that the home team's OF can adjust.  If I get the time, I'll
>call the Dukes office in the morning and see if I can get any answers...
>
Clevelan 1991, at home:  250 doubles, 37 triples, away:  265 doubles,
27 triples.  The difference between these figures does not statistically rule
out no park effect whatsoever.  (HRs were different, of course:  63 and 126,
and that is well over four standard deviations different, so that's definitely
significant.)

David Thornley
Courtesy of the 1992 Elias boys

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)
Subject: O's 93 SCHEDULE??
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:50:33 GMT

Does anybody have the Orioles 1993 schedule, particularly the home dates?
Please email it to me.  Thanks!
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Curran                 Mead Data Central              brian@meaddata.com 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russ Francis, New England Patriots tight end, describing defensive linemen:
 "If their IQs were five points lower, they would be geraniums."
From: campbell@rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: who was the favorite player of my youth
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:28:24 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

 Wasn't everyone a 'homer' in his/her youth? With true Boston Catholic 
 masochism, my favorites were,

 Pitcher : Bill Monboquette
 Non-Pitcher : Felix Mantilla

Dick Radatz gets an honorable mention because of the way he stomped in from the
bullpen (he disdained the cart). He always reminded me of the lantern-jaws
walking around in MAD.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: Re: Giants and Free Trade Laws
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:53:15 GMT

actually, unless i'm mistaken (and it wouldnt be the first time), there
/isn't/ free-trade law in baseball.  baseball is legally defined as a
'sport' and not a 'business' and so it has an anti-trust exemption among
other niceties.

this basically gives the owner's committee sole power over such matters.
it isn't a matter of 'i have a right ot move where i want', more of
'we run baseball, and we will do it the way we want to.'

look at major indoor lacrosse.  the teams don't even have the right to
/choose/their/own/players/.  the gait brothers (two of lacrosse's
best players) were traded /by/the/league/ from detroit to philadelphia.

what i'm wondering is - could the owner's committee say to bob lurie
''no, you can't sell the team. you ahve to keep it.'' ?

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll be mellow when I'm dead.                           --''Weird'' Al Yankovic
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You get your mellow, laid back attitude from Sonny the Cuckoo Bird.
                                                               --Josh, about me
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:04:00 GMT

In article <10NOV199213213378@ucis.vill.edu> mcclure@ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD) writes:
>Clay D.'s list includes some (not so great) moments in Dodger history. Let
>me add the Joe Morgan double in game 162 of 1982 that gave the Giants the win
>over the Dodgers and gave the Braves the NL West for the first time since 1969.

>Clay also mentioned the 1966 WS, the first one that I have any real memory of.
>Wasn't one of the Orioles shutouts saved by a Paul Blair catch over the 13
>foot centerfield wall? 

8th inning of the last game, on the first play of the inning.  Blair had
just come in to play defense.

>My memory may be suspect but I recall that game being a
>1-0 win with an Os homerun. Who hit that HR? 

Frank Robinson.  Paul Blair had hit the homer in the previous day's 
1-0 victory.

>Who was the Dodger who Blair robbed? 

Jim Lefebvre.

>And didn't Willie Davis grab a potential Os HR over the same wall? I

Boog Powell in the 4th inning, two batters after Frank R.

>do remember some outstanding pitching and defense in that series.

But Willie Davis also had a bad day in Game 2: three errors in the 5th inning,
two of them on the same play.

Yes, the pitching was pretty good; 15 runs *total* in 4 games is impressive.
Of course, the O's giving up only 2 runs is more impressive, and even
more impressive is that they both came in the first three innings of Game One.

Moe Drabowsky for Governor.  Or something...

Roger
From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Cy Young Voting Results
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:24:00 GMT

	Could anyone out there please post the complete, final results of the
AL Cy Young voting (and National League when it becomes available)?  I would
really appreciate it.

	I'm not forcing anyone to do it, so don't complain and tell me to do it
myself.  If you don't want to do it, fine.  Hopefully, though, someone will.

	Thanx in advance.


	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
	---------------------------------------------------------
			David Howard for MVP!

	Kevin Appier: If he didn't finish in the top 5, it's a damn shame.
From: thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins protected list (was Re: Rangers 15-man protected list)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:49:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov10.184959.13809
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

And here's the picks by local fishwrap writer Jeff Lenihan (with
supplementary stats by me - age next year, position, last year's basic
stats which are MLEs if possible).

Sure bets:
Scott Erickson (25, SP, TR) 212 IP, 3.40 ERA, 13-12
Rick Aguilera (31, RP, TR) 66.2 IP, 2.84 ERA, 41 saves
Mark Guthrie (27, RP, TL) 75 IP, 2.88 ERA
Brian Harper (33, C, BR, TR) 140G, .307/.343/.410
Kent Hrbek (33, 1B, BL, TR) 112G, .244/.357/.409
Chuck Knoblauch (24, 2B, BR, TR) 155G, .297/.384/.358
Scott Leius (27, 3B/SS, BR, TR) 129G, .249/.309/.318
Shane Mack (29, OF, BR, TR) 156G, .315/.394/.467
Pat Mahomes (22, SP, TR) 69.2 IP, 5.04 ERA in AL, 111 IP, 3.41 ERA in PCL
Pedro Munoz (24, OF, BR, TR) 127G, .270/.298/.409
Kevin Tapani (29, SP, TR) 220 IP, 3.97 ERA, 16-11
Mike Trombley (26, SP, TR) 46.1 IP, 3.30 ERA in AL, 165 IP, 3.65 ERA in PCL

Hrbek has to be protected, being a 10/5 man.  Leius is expendable as a third
baseman, but is likely to be protected for his shortstop potential, since it
is very likely that Gagne will leave via free agency.

Under consideration:
Terry Jorgenson (26, 1B/3B, BR, TR) 22G, .310/.349/.328 in AL (.275/.333/.403
                                                                MLE)
Lenny Webster (28, C, BR, TR) 53G, .280/.331/.407
Derek Parks (24, C, BR, TR) 79G, .226/.285/.383 MLE
Carl Willis (32, RP, TR) 79.1 IP, 2.72 ERA
Tom Edens (32, RP, TR) 76.1 IP, 2.83 ERA
Willie Banks (24, SP, TR) 71 IP, 5.70 ERA in AL, 75 IP, 1.92 ERA in PCL

Possible prospects:
Oscar Munoz (23, P, TR), 67.2 IP, 5.05 ERA at AA Orlando (but 74K)
Curt Leskanic (25, P, TR), 152.2 IP, 4.3 ERA at Orlando, with 126K
Alan Newman (23, P, TL), 102 IP, 4.15 ERA, 86 K at Orlando
Mary Cordova (23, ?, ?) 134G, .341/.431/.589 at A Visalia
Dennis Hocking (23, ?, ?) 135G, .331/.415/.464 at A Visalia
Steve Dunn (23, ?, ?) 125G, .305/.364/.549 at A Visalia
Ray Ortiz (25, CF, BL, TL) 120G, .272/.308/.425 MLE (played at Orlando and
                                                     AAA (PCL) Portland)
Paul Russo (23, 3B, BR, TR) 126G, .244/.304/.415 MLE (played for Orlando)

Speculation copied without permission from the Star Tribune.
Stats copied without permission from Stats, Inc. Major and Minor League
Handbooks.

David Thornley
"Just wait 'till next year - if there is one!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Stats download
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:06:52 GMT


I am looking for a download service.  I would like to download the
basic stats for the entire AL each week.

Requirements:
1) Reliable.
2) Cheap.

USA Today Sportscenter charges $10 per month minimum.  Anybody cheaper?

Thanks,
_Valentine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield)
Subject: Re: Alejandro Pena
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:06:23 GMT

In article <1dug9tINN94u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
>
>
>    Does anyone have an educated guess about Alejandro Pena's future?  I have
>an opportunity to trade Rod Nichols for him in my APBA league.  Nichols has
>value because he has some good starts left this year, and a pennant contender
>needs them.  Is Pena likely to return to forn next year?

	Being a big Atlanta Braves fan I have a few opinions on Pena. First
of all I believe he has declared free agency and will not be back next year
with the Braves. Picked up by another team yes... But the team will not be a
contender, because no contender will take the chance on him, therefore his
stats will not be good at all. I expect to see him in somewhere like Houston
or Florida, or Colorodo. I give him another 2-3 years MAX then he is 
retired. My advice is don't trade for him....

				Richard Peiper


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: b706zbh@utarlg.uta.edu (Darin Brown)
Subject: All-Star break draft
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:16:00 GMT

My fantasy league allows each owner to pick up two players that were not picked  
at the beginning of the year.  It provides the owners in last place something to
get exicited about.  The pick order goes in reverse stamdings order for the first
round and then goes in standings order for the second round.  You can trade
your picks for multiple picks or players you could use to rebuild around for
next year.
                          Just a thought----
                                Darin Brown 
                                Ruben Sierra for MVP in '93
From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Inheritance in an odd league
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:54:08 GMT
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University

Hiya!

I've just inherited a team and need some help/facts/opinions on a few of the
guys.  First some background:

	-This is an unusual game, invented in the Statistics Department at 
  	 Iowa State in 1974.
	-Games are played head-to-head in a 12-team league on any day in which
	 at least 24 ML teams are scheduled to play.
	-Position players only.
	-All players on your roster are listed in the order in which you'd
	 prefer them to appear.  The day's lineup is filled out sequentially,
	 using players at the position in which they played on that day.  DH
	 gets filled by either a genuine DH or by a player whose position has 
	 already been filled.   Numbers for a given player are taken directly
	 from the Box Score.
	-Any position left unfilled after the entire roster has been exhausted
	 takes an 0-fer-4.
	-The numbers for the nine positions are totaled, and those totals are
	 entered into the formula,

20*H + 10*D + 27*T + 32*HR + 7*(SB + HBP + SAC + SF)
----------------------------------------------------  + .5*(OPP ERR) - 3,
                   AB

	 which, remarkably, yields something that resembles a run total for a
	 game (yes, it can go negative :-0).  Note that fielding (i.e. errors)
	 counts!

This probably has very little to do with the matter at hand, but it may be
helpful to those few to whom I've makes a lick of sense.

Anyway, I've got to drop at least 8 players from my current roster by Dec. 1.  
There doesn't exactly appear to be a wealth of talent on this team, so I'd be 
willing to take chances to build for the future.  That's why I'd like to know
about:

Greg Colbrunn 
Beau Allred
Tom Quinlan
Harold Reynolds -- will he find a team; can he still play?
Jody Reed -- was this season's bad bat a fluke? 
Jeff Reed -- will he recover; was he worth anything anyway?
Charlie Hayes -- Was this season for real?
Glenn Davis -- what will he hurt this year (besides all his roti-owners)?
Ozzie Smith -- what's he got left, and with whom will he leave it?
Andre Dawson -- ditto
Wes Chamberlain -- is he back on track?

Any suggestions will be weighed.  Minor league numbers and projected playing 
time would be helpful, where applicable.  Email or post your comments.

Oh, and by the way, if these players sound familiar to you and you just left
the Snedecor League, I'm not sure I want to hear from you...:-}

Thanks,  Tom
From: Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: How to Get Started?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:31:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu


I'm interested in roto baseball.  Could someone be kind enough to post
some information about how I could get started, how it works, etc.? 
Thanks greatly.

***shawn.burgess@dartmouth.edu***
Texas Rangers in 93!
(or 94 or 95 or 96, etc.)
My opinions in no way represent the views of Dartmouth College.
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Alejandro Pena
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:54:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



    Does anyone have an educated guess about Alejandro Pena's future?  I have
an opportunity to trade Rod Nichols for him in my APBA league.  Nichols has
value because he has some good starts left this year, and a pennant contender
needs them.  Is Pena likely to return to forn next year?

SfH
-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                ** "If anything ever looked six years old,
Case Western Reserve University  **                it's that."
Department of Physics            ** -- Tim McCarver, refering to Mark Lemke's
Cleveland, OH 44106              ** baseball glove in game 2.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Inheritance II 
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:18:43 GMT

Sorry about this...I was working yestrday from (foggy) memory and neglected to
include some of the bigger questions, like:

Harold Baines -- does he have any real value?  How old is he, anyway?
Tom Brunansky -- where's his p.t.?  I don't see it.
Scott Cooper -- the Sox leading hitter last year.  whoopee. 
Monte Fariss -- will they put him at 2b if Franco is unable?
Jose Lind -- fielding doesn't count _this_ much
Dan Pasqua -- will he bounce back?  I'd love him if he did; he's great in our 
              system - put him near the top and he plays when he plays, you
skip
              over him when he doesn't.
Carlos Quintana -- will he ever play again?
Alvaro Espinoza -- ditto.

There you have it.  See what I was left with?  These _are_ the dregs of the
team, true.  My projected starting lineup:

c -- Tettleton (:-})
1b -- G. Davis 
2b -- J. Reed
3b -- C. Hayes
ss -- O. Smith
of -- Mack (see Tettleton)
      Bonilla
      R. Kelly
dh -- Baines/Pasqua

That doesn't look bad on the surface, but dig deeper:

c -- Valle, Je. Reed
1b -- Colbrunn, Galarraga
2b -- Reynolds, Lind, Fariss
ss -- Espinoza (!)
3b -- Cooper, Quinlan
of -- Allred, Bruno, Chamberlain, Dawson, Fariss, (Quintana)

Ugh!

O.K., I'll stop my incessant whining now and listen to what _you_ have to
say...

Thanks,  Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy