From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETYdir
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:22:20 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr7.062635.4717@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ray Fischer) writes:

>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes ...
>One MIGHT infer something about relative intelligence given that
>posting requires a higher-than-average knowledge of technology.
>But this might be considered insulting, so I'll refrain from making
>the implication.
   Utterly disagreeable. One MIGHT infer that the NewsNet audience has been
exposed to exceptionally liberal and superficial ideals and concepts that
breed an ignorance of the spiritual, and tend towards corrupt and 
amoral views. (just in my humble opinion though)


>1) Why does a human life begin at conception?  What defines "human"?
>   Note that I require some reason to accept your views so make your 
>   argument convincing.
   The church does not defend the status of the fetus, and does not
argue it. We believe that whether you feel it is human or not, the
underlying potential of the child/fetus is already there. Conception
has already occurred, and the deed is done (none of this sperm is
sacred crap, conceptiohas ALREADY occurred).
   I don't have to convince you, because there is no argument here. 
Whether the fetus is human now or not does not matter... what it will
be in 9 months DOES. (oh, did you want me to string a whole bunch of
statistics on how a baby dreams at x months, sucks it's thumb at y weeks,etc?)

>2) If terminating a pregnancy is wrong because it terminates a 
>   potential human life, why isn't it wrong to not have as many children
>   as possible?
   We in the Catholic church do believe that we should have as many children
as possible. But we can't have TOO many children, or there is not enough
love and attention to spread around. Each couple has their own limits
and abilities that determine how many children they can have, and to
try and stay within the limits, they must exercise discipline and 
patience (yup, the ol' rhythm method... it works.)

>3) Why does a collection of cells this big >.< have more rights
>   than a 120lb woman of 25 years?
   It doesn't have more rights silly... I'm not asking for you
to kill the mother am I? Well, that's waht the fetus is getting
 now. Doesn't sound like equal rights to me...

>there are no flames or insults - but I will be very critical of any
>answers.  The desire to remove rights from mothers requires compelling
>arguments.
   have fun...

>Sounds like bigotry to me.  You have a brain that can (presumably)
>reason.  Why do you choose to not use those gifts God has given you?
   I am... by countering your thoughts with my own. I don't think I'm
doing too bad of a job...
   Obviously you're going to tell me otherwise of course, but I look
forward to it.
     steve
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