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From: william1@me.utoronto.ca (Robert Williams)
Subject: Help needed with development of a gateways fee scheme
Summary: I need to know how to charge for the use of network gateways
Keywords: gateways, networks, EDI, lan, fee for use
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:49:57 GMT


> I tried posting this earlier, but it appears that it did not make it
> to all the relevant groups.  So, I am re-posting.
 
Sincerest apologies if this posting appears in inappropriate news groups.
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A friend of mine has been asked to develop a fee structure for accessors of
a companies information resources.  She writes as follows,

 I need help on the following: I need to know how certain organizations charge
 for use of their network gateways (gateways join two systems/networks
 together, usually at the midrange or mainframe level e.g. at the Front-end
 Processor). For instance, do they charge by the number of sessions a client
 signs up for, by the number of sessions the client actually used, do they have
 a one-time membership fee with a smaller monthly maintenance fee which allows
 users a large but undefined number of sessions, do they not charge at all and
 if so then what is their justification? All these questions ask: HOW is the
 gateway charged. But I also need to know, if possible, WHAT the charge is
 based on: what cost items do they include in maintenance of the gateway
 and what percentage of these cost items is used. Cost items include: human
 resources, CPU time, memory, software development, and other overhead items.

Any ideas from anyone who is familiar with this area would be appreciated.
Any information on books or papers covering this topic, or firms doing similar work, would also be appreciated.

Please send all responses to the Email address below.  If there is enough
interest, I will post a summary on the net.

Thanks in advance.

Robert Williams
U of T, CIMLab
Toronto, Canada
Email : william1@drill.me.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: biz.comp.services
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.telebit,alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: Re: SPECIAL PRICES ON TELEBIT MODEMS
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:02:00 GMT
Organization: The Shaman Group; A Division of Focal Point Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul20.224250.5240@tygra.Michigan.COM> orders@Buster.Michigan.COM (DDMI Sales) writes:
>
>> * > * > * >  SPECIAL ONCEINAGREATWHILE TELEBIT SALE < * < * < * <
>
>Now through the close of business (5PM Eastern) on July 24, we will be
>taking order for the following Telebit modems at the  following  price:
>  [deleted]
>We'll be making a bulk purchase and will be able to offer these prices. 
>All orders MUST be PREPAID and must reach us (with payment) by the close
>of business on July 24, 1992. Orders will be shipped out to customers 
>approximatly 1 week after the close of ordertaking. This offer is not
>good with any other discount, quantity purchase or SYSOP deal. 
>

Gosh, if the floating capital of Michican/DDMI is soooo low that they
have to now take pre-paid orders for modems, I'd be really cautious
about trusting anyone's money to them.....

Sheesh.... It's like your local pusher asking you to pre-pay for 
your cocaine while he gets enough orders to send for some down
in Nicaragua.... Unheard of......

	- Jiro Nakamura


ps. And yes, I will deny this post as a forgery if JP's virtual
   lawyers ever catch up to me.


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NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Xref: sparky biz.comp.hardware:177 comp.unix.sysv386:12263
From: dtri@jerome.az.stratus.com (Dave Trinidad)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: reputable  disk repair biz that knows SSCI
Keywords: reputable,SCSI
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:01:55 GMT
Reply-To: dtri@jerome.az.stratus.com (Dave Trinidad)
Followup-To: biz.comp.hardware

I sent my CDC SSCI hardisk to JB Tecnologies to be repared and after being  
treated rudely and waiting for three weeks .. "The drive needs a actuactor  
arm and we do not stock that part" was the reply.

In the mean time ...

I would like somebody to EMail a name of a business that conducts its  
business in a fair and reputable  manner, and who stocks parts for CDC
SCSI disks who can repair a CDC 330 MB SCSI disk with an actuator arm  
problem.

Thanks ..

BTW) I have cross posted in sysV386 due to the exposure to PC experts ..
Flames to /dev/null please (Hey I have answered my share of UNIX questions  
..:-}>)

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David R. Trinidad			#include <disclaimer.h>
Stratus Computer Systems	(602) 852-3135
4455 East Camelback RD. #115A		UNIX is a way of life ...
Phoenix AZ. 85018
Internet:
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Xref: sparky biz.comp.hardware:181 biz.comp.software:114 misc.forsale.computers:27669 comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:1365
From: bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.software,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: dBase for UNIX/Xenix, Multiport Boards
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:22:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: CCS Enterprises, Inc. - Easton, MD


:*> dBase IV v1.1 for UNIX
    Single-User version, complete system
    Retail:  $995  (Mail Order: $800)                     (  $400.00 )

:*> CompuTone Intelliport PS8 Multiport Board for IBM PS/2
    Microchannel card 8-ports, with 8-port external DB25 connector box,
    supports PC-MOS/386, Xenix/UNIX, and others
    Original:  $1599                                       ( $175.00 )

:*> Boca PS/2 Serial/Parallel Board
    Add 2 serial & 1 parallel port to your IBM PS/2 computer.
    Comes with external pigtail (2 serial & 1 parallel) for connections.
    Great for adding 2nd printer and serial devices.
    Original:  $250                                        (  $60.00 )

:*> StarGate Plus 8 PS/2 8-port Multiport Board for IBM PS/2
    MicroChannel card 8-ports, with 8-port external DB25
    connector box, supports PC-MOS/386, Xenix, QNX, Pick & others
    Normally used to support serial terminals on system
    like PC-MOS/386 or SCO Xenix/UNIX.
    Original:  $899                                        ( $150.00 )

All items are in good working condition.
Terms:  Check, COD or MasterCard/Visa      Plus shipping (negotiable)
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>.. CCS Enterprises, Inc.    ..  |  ..   Office: (410) 820-4670          ..<
>.. P.O. Drawer 1690         ..  |  ..      FAX: (410) 476-5261          ..<
>.. Easton, Maryland 21601 ......|......... BBS: (410) 476-5098 ...........<
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: zhao@alpha (Leying Zhao)
Subject: test
Reply_to: zhao@alpha.management.mcgill.ca (Leying Zhao)
Organization: Faculty of Management, McGill University, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:32:11 GMT

test only
-- 
=======================================================================
Leying Zhao   (UNIX Admin)    Faculty of Management, Mcgill University
Phone: 398-4000-0842 	E-mail address: zhao@alpha.management.mcgill.ca	
========================================================================
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: kcc@pt.com (Kevin Chalker)
Subject: New 486DX-33 Computer For Sale
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:31:22 GMT


NEW COMPUTERS:

486DX-33, 256k cache, AMI BIOS, 8 expansion slots, exp. to 32Meg
4Meg RAM 70ns
Desktop/Mini-tower case with 200W PS
3.5" 1.44MB & 5.25" 1.2MB Floppy drives
120 Meg IDE hard drive
Drive controller w/ 2 serial/1 parallel/1 game port
.28 14" 1024x768 SVGA monitor
1Meg Trident display card
Keyboard + Mouse
DOS 5.0, misc. shareware
-> $1699

1 yr warranty on parts, 2 yrs labor + 30-day limited money back guarantee
We accept Discover Card or COD cash/money order.  Other systems and 
products available.  Call or E-mail for a price quote.


KC Computers
Rochester, NY
(716) 388-8621
kcc@pt.com



Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: cjohnson@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Johnson)
Subject: Time Office Computers..._ANY_ info .... anyone....
Summary: Wanted info on Time office computers
Keywords: Time Office
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:18:48 GMT

Hell all,

I have just come across a large number of Time office machines.

They  seem to have their hard disks removed, and they have some sort of "code key" thing on the front of most of them.

Does anyone have any info On these things (floppy specs, operating system, general setup, anything)

Thanx in advance,

Chris.
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__________________________________________________________ When Something
Christopher Johnson         |  _________________________  |can go wrong it
cjohnson@tartarus.uwa.oz.au | | Sudden decompression Sux| |Segmentaion fault
johnson@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au |  -------------------------  |Core dumped         | I reserve the right to be totally wrong!
Xref: sparky biz.comp.hardware:187 biz.misc:86 biz.comp.services:186
From: tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.misc,biz.comp.services
Subject: Zyxel External v.32bis+v.42bis+FAX+Caller_ID Modem 4Sale
Keywords: modem,ZyXEL
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:57:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


 
U-1496E     External standalone model with LED status  display. 
			ONLY $ 339.00

The ZyXEL U-1496 modem is a high performance universal modem capable 
of transmission speed of up to 14.4 Kbps (16.8 Kbps in comming 5-7 
weeks) on a 2-wire full duplex mode. Universal compatibility covers 
a broad range of CCITT and BELL standards, data compression/error free 
corection, and provide enhanced Caller-ID, Security level control, 
and voice mail features capabilities.


Fully compatible with CCITT V.32bis, V.32, etc...
Speed range: 16800*, 14400, 12000, 9600, 7200, 4800, 2400, 1200, 300bps
Up to 57600 bps DTE throughput
G3 Fax send and receive up to 14400 bps
EIA Class II fax command set
Synchronous/Asynchronous operations
Extended AT command set
V.42 and MNP 4 error correction
V.42bis and MNP 5 data compression
On-line fall-back/fall-forward
Remote configuration
Password protection and security call back
Caller ID - Distinctive Ring (included in firmware!)
Vioce/BBS Technical Support by Manufacturer
    5 Year parts and labor Warranty
Auto-dial/answer and Manual originate/answer.
Tone/Pulse dialing.
Dial tone, busy, and ringback detection.
Programmable speaker volume control.
Non-volatile memory storage.
Diagnostics available for:
	Modem full self test
	Analog loopback (w/ self test)
	Remote digital loopback (w/ self test)
	Digital loopback
XON/XOFF or RTS/CTS flow control
EEPROM allows users to continually upgrade to new features as
      implemented by ZyXEL
programmable response to distinctive rings from phone company

(features implemented in 5-7 weeks )
  1.  16.8bps speeds!       
  2.  Voice Mail features
	- modem will be able to detect which buttons are pressed by 
	the caller, act more than a smart answer machine.

These combined features surpass other brand 14.4Kp modem (such as 
Supra, Digicom or Boca fax/modems).

For more information, please call Athena Micro Systems Inc. at
Telephone:      1-415-962-8686,   Fax: 415-969-3361
100 W. El Camino Real, Unit 68         Mountain View, CA94040
Detailed technical specifications faxed upon request
Xref: sparky biz.comp.hardware:176 biz.comp.telebit:755
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: SPECIAL PRICES ON TELEBIT MODEMS
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:00:35 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

orders@Buster.Michigan.COM (DDMI Sales) writes:

> 
> 
> > * > * > * >  SPECIAL ONCEINAGREATWHILE TELEBIT SALE < * < * < * <
> 
> Now through the close of business (5PM Eastern) on July 24, we will be
> taking order for the following Telebit modems at the  following  price:
> 
> 
>    Telebit T2500 External Modem, 19,200bps, PEP, V.32         $579.00

[ and, much more drivel deleted for sanity... ]

Wow.  That sucks.  A deal like this is to be avoided like the plague.
Whatta bargain... NOT!

How about a more reasonable price, say $250 for the T2500.  I mean,
I myself just bought for around $300, and I don't much think that PEP
and flaky connections (yes, even with the latest ROMs, still flaky)
are worth the money.  For less than $300 one can have a decent, working,
NEW v.32bis modem.


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Xref: sparky biz.comp.hardware:182 biz.comp.telebit:778
From: bill@wabwrld.UUCP (Bill Berbenich)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: SPECIAL PRICES ON TELEBIT MODEMS
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:09:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Shaque d'Amour

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> orders@Buster.Michigan.COM (DDMI Sales) writes:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > * > * > * >  SPECIAL ONCEINAGREATWHILE TELEBIT SALE < * < * < * <
> > 
> > Now through the close of business (5PM Eastern) on July 24, we will be
> > taking order for the following Telebit modems at the  following  price:
> > 
> > 
> >    Telebit T2500 External Modem, 19,200bps, PEP, V.32         $579.00
> 
> [ and, much more drivel deleted for sanity... ]
> 
> Wow.  That sucks.  A deal like this is to be avoided like the plague.
> Whatta bargain... NOT!

Now, Willard, don't be so quick to judge.  They may have some extra 
value-added services that aren't so apparent from reading the original 
posting.  Like maybe if you want, they'll personally fly down and bring 
you the modem AND install it all for that one low, low price.

On the other hand, maybe they won't.

--
"I'm not only the Hair Club president, but I'm also a client."
  -Sy Sperling
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.telebit
From: orders@Buster.Michigan.COM (DDMI Sales)
Subject: CLEARANCE SALE ON TELEBIT MODEMS
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System, Clinton Township, MI
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:58:17 GMT
Followup-To: biz.comp.telebit


********* SPECIAL CLEARANCE SALE *************

We have a limited quantity of the following Telebit
Modems for the following prices:

Telebit WorldBlazer External V.32/V.32bis/TurboPep        $575.00
Telebit T2500 19,200bps V.32/PEP modem                    $475.00
Telebit T3000 14,400bps V.32/V.32bis modem                $475.00

Please send email (orders@buster.michigan.com) or FAX at +1 313 790 6437
to order. Sorry, no terms or COD. Visa/Mastercard/American Express/Diners
Club/Carte Blanc accepted. Order soon as supplies are expected to go fast!!

Michigan Network Systems.  34486 S. Gratiot Ave.  Mt. Clemens, MI  48043
  1-800-736-5984   Local Number: +1 313 790 6430   Fax: +1 313 790 6437

***********************************************
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: kcc@pt.com (Kevin Chalker)
Subject: New 486DX-33 Computers For Sale
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:53:22 GMT


NEW COMPUTERS!!!

486DX-33, 256k cache, AMI BIOS, 8 expansion slots, exp. to 32Meg
4Meg RAM 70ns
Desktop/Mini-tower case with 200W PS
3.5" 1.44MB & 5.25" 1.2MB Floppy drives
120 Meg IDE hard drive
Drive controller w/ 2 serial/1 parallel/1 game port
.28 14" 1024x768 SVGA monitor
1Meg Trident display card
Keyboard + Mouse
DOS 5.0, misc. shareware
-> $1699

1 yr warranty on parts, 2 yrs labor + 30-day limited money back guarantee
We accept Discover Card or COD cash/money order.  Other systems and 
products available.  Call or E-mail for a price quote.


KC Computers
Rochester, NY
(716) 388-8621
kcc@pt.com
From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
Subject: Re: FAQ: connecting to Internet?
Organization: CHUUG/EUnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ch.network, ch.chuug
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:14:38 GMT

feigin@iis.ethz.ch (Adam W. Feigin) writes:
...
: Well, do you know if every subscriber to our 'service provider' (mine,
: not yours) receives a copy of a 'acceptable use policy' ? I should

I would assume so, we at least try to commit our subscribers to making
the applicable AUP's known to their users. We also spend a large ammount
of money and effort to avoid any conflicts in the first place (for
example with the NSFnet AUP, the new version is extremely strict).

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Zweierstrasse 35	Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
CH-8004 Zuerich		Fax: +41 1 291 46 42	poole@eunet.ch
Newsgroups: ch.network
From: maer@bernina.ethz.ch (Matthias Ernst)
Subject: Re: FAQ: connecting to Internet?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Distribution: ch.network, ch.chuug
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:45:29 GMT

feigin@iis.ethz.ch (Adam W. Feigin) writes:

>Well, do you know if every subscriber to our 'service provider' (mine,
>not yours) receives a copy of a 'acceptable use policy' ? I should
>think that if they are making decisions for their clients, the clients
>should be aware of what acceptable use is (Not every person, but at
>least the networking folk in the clients organization). Or, are they
>free to make decisions FOR US, without CONSULTING us, to see whether
>their decision(s) makes our work more difficult ?

>							/AWF

What I don't like in the whole discussion is, that I have never seen
any statement from SWITCH during the last few days. I'm sure they are
reading this, but it seems the policy of SWITCH not to discuss these
important topics with all the ignorant users for whom they provide
service. I would be interested to hear what the official policy of
SWITCH is as well as the private opinions of the people actual managing
the network.
This is not restricted to this discussion here. Try to count how often you
see a posting from somebody at SWITCH.

Matthias

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Newsgroups: ch.network
From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
Subject: Re: FAQ: connecting to Internet?
Organization: CHUUG Swiss Unix Systems Users Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ch.network, ch.chuug
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:13:26 GMT

sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Jul28.220927.4845@chsun.chuug.ch>, poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole) writes:
: > 
: > One tendency is very visible: in the US the peering of networks 
: > is actively encouraged and practiced, in Europe a lot of forces 
: > are pushing exactly the opposite way (no amount of CEC money 
: > will compensate what European industry will loose due to this).
: > 
: > * if anybody is interested, I can expand a bit more on why this
: >   is so essential to the "Internet".
: > -- 
: I am interested. Does this apply to whole Europe or only to Switzerland ?

As a tendency it applies to Europe as a whole and to some of the
countries more than others. On the other hand there are examples
in Europe where you can see a very  positive situation with a
number of service providers competing at all levels of service
(these also tend to have the lowest telecommunication prices).

Particulary annoying are the fights going on at the European
level: IXI-PS vs. eBone93, OpUnit vs. ? and so on (at least
partialy financed with tax payers money).

One of the key reasons for the explosive growth of the "Internet"
is not that of protocols (users don't care about protocols),
it's a difference in culture to other networks (for example
public X.25).

Charging: if you look at the charging schemes of all major IP
	  networks. You will see charges that are

		- based on bandwidth and quality of service

		- volume or connect time (for dialup connections)

	  What you wont see is charges based on the "destination"
	  of your packets.

	  One of the positive effects of this, that there is no
	  real notion of "distance" for an "Internet" user and
	  since there are no cost consequences, usage is not
	  as restricted as you would expect. As a "Gedanken-
	  experiment": apply PTT X.25 charges to your IP usage.
	  How many people reading this would still have the same
	  access as they have now?

Connectivity: if one thing has been the goal of the Internet up to now,
	  it's been that connectivity is what everybody aims for. 
	  Nothing is as unpopular as saying "you are not allowed
	  to connect to XY". Interconnection between the various
	  service providers has been provided by either:

		- government funded backbone networks (NSFnet)

		- cooperativly funded interconnection points and
	          networks (CIX, eBone)

	  CIX is a very good example of this: pratically all members
	  of CIX are direct (and very fierce) competitors of each other, 
	  none the less all of them freely exchange traffic.

Funny enough one of the consequences of both of these aspects, is 
that it works out to be a lot cheaper for everybody involved (and
that naturally leads to more growth).


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Zweierstrasse 35	Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
CH-8004 Zuerich		Fax: +41 1 291 46 42	poole@eunet.ch
Newsgroups: ch.network
From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
Subject: Re: FAQ: connecting to Internet?
Organization: CHUUG/EUnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ch.network, ch.chuug
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:09:14 GMT

brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII) writes:
: In article <1992Jul29.180034.24971@chsun.chuug.ch>, poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole) writes:
: |> : 
: |> : BTW, what's there at this node ?
: |> 
: |> It was just a random example. world.std.com is one of the largest
: |> public Internet access systems (something like 1200 users) near Boston.
: 
:   And why can't we reach it?  I though that we were fully interconnected
: with any node on the internet?

I don't think your service provider has ever stated that they are fully
connected connected with the "Internet" (what ever that may be). 

The reason that world.std.com wasn't reachable yesterday, is that they
are a fully  commercial system that doesn't have NSFnet connected status
because they are not in the situation to enforce adherence to any 
acceptable-use-policy  (they don't have all to much control over the 
users on their system).

As far as it's possible for me to tell, the normal routing that you are subject
to would not allow you to reach a site without NSFnet connected status in the
US.

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Zweierstrasse 35	Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
CH-8004 Zuerich		Fax: +41 1 291 46 42	poole@eunet.ch
Newsgroups: ch.network