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From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: THE CRYING GAME
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:57:04 GMT


Mark I agree almost totally with your comments on this movie
(I saw it last night and thought it was on of the best films
of its type that I have seen all year.)

A couple of points that I would like to add and comment on:

In article <1992Dec9.170644.21950@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.r.leeper) writes:
>                              THE CRYING GAME
>                      A film review by Mark R. Leeper
>
>     [Spoiler comments follow main review.]
>
>the English is not released.  Jody is brought to a hiding place.  There he
>begins the slow task of picking out one of his captors and trying to make
>him an ally.  He chooses Fergus (played by Stephen Rea).  Jody shows Fergus

I felt that this section of the movie was as poingnent as it
was becaue it was not driven by Jody BUT by Fergus (the
Gentelman Terrorist).  Although I can see why you view Jody
as the manipulator as he most certainly becomes.

>     THE CRYING GAME is a film for you to go to see ... quickly.  Don't read

Yeh I have managed to avoid any information about it in the
UK for the last 4-5 weeks but it has been tuff going but
very worthwhile not hearing what the twists are.

>any more reviews.  This is a tough film to review without revealing any of
>the plot twists.  Word is going to get around soon about this film.  See it
>first.  And don't tell anyone else either.
>
>     THE CRYING GAME is certainly one of the best films of the year.  I rate
>it a +3 on the -4 to +4 scale.


One other thing I liked was its portrail of individuals
rather than the usual stereotypes you get with films about
terrorists.




     [Spoilers]


     [Spoilers]



>     The film did not quite make sense in that neither of the people would
>have been sent to prison.  In either case it was self-defense against a
>person who had been involved in a previous IRA killing.

Yes this confused me also but we don't find out what he is
in prison for - and only for 5-6 years.  Manslaughter
possibly if you were him wouldn't you consider pleading
guilty so that no one looks too carefully into the reality
which would have got him more time in jail.  But this also
doesn't answer the many other queries about what might of
happend and why the IRA wern't after him or......

I'm afraid that the enigmatic end just provides something
for you to much on on the way home in the car.  Not a real
detractor to a great movie.

ALan Jay
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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: most underated actress/actor
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:00:26 GMT

In article eoLZVB1w165w@cithara.login.qc.ca, spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:
>|<MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|
>|> Definitely Whoopi Goldberg.  Flame me if you want but I think that this
>|> woman is up there with Streep and Close.  She's just not getting the roles.
>|> I wonder why?   Everything she is in, she makes it better than it is.
>|> Color Purple, Soapdish, the nun movie from Disney who's name escapes me
>|> at the moment.                                Melissa Brown
>|
>|Definitely Shannon Tweed (yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take heat for this one).
>|
>|No she's NOT Streep, or Close, or any of the "higher" thespians, but she has
>|fantastic commic timing -- see "CANNIBAL WOMEN IN THE AVACARDO JUNGLE OF DEATH"
>|(or something like that). A deliberately silly movie that has some wonderful
>|high-lights. Tweed has appearred in a host of movies (at best
>|"erotic-thrillers", at worst "T&A teen lust movies") and one TV series
>|(Canadian made "Slick Air" -- also a dog). She's done so much junk I've given
>|up hope for her career, BUT she has timing... something Kathleen Turner (a far
>|more "respected" (?) actor) is missing.
>|
>|Prediction: Shannon Tweed will become the female version of Leslie Neilsen.
>|
>|Now shoot me down in flames...
>|
>|Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)
>|
>|spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca


Hey, I have always enjoyed the Playboys when she is in the centerfold.

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Fried Green Tomatoes... - A Question
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:03:36 GMT

In article 31048@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com, cvelo@ems.cdc.com (Colleen Velo) writes:
>|In article <lidcdsINNjcv@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office) writes:
>||> In article 22725@drutx.ATT.COM, mcp@drutx.ATT.COM (Mike Paugh) writes:
>||> <=>In article <1992Dec3.150626.3405@nic.csu.net>, Clark@sonoma.edu (Jenny Clark) writes:
>||> <=>> Wasn't  the old lady simply known as Mrs.  Thredgood/ Thergood ( whatever 
>||> <=>> 
>||> <=>> Jenny Clark
>||> <=>> clark@sonoma.edu
>||> <=>
>||> <=>
>||> <=>I heartily recommend it.  The movie was very faithful to the book (Fannie
>||> <=>Flagg co-wrote the screenplay) but the book is well worth your time.
>||> 
>||> She also appears very briefly in one scene...
>|
>|	Which scene is that?
>||> 
>||> 
>| _____________________________________________________________________________

I think she was marriage therapist talking to a bunch of women.  She 
suggested that they all get naked.

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From: 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Problems with DieHard 2
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:22:35 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Dec15.203113.4791@Virginia.EDU>, rrb2x@Virginia.EDU (Richard Ramiaz Banks) writes:
>
>	Concerning your Die Hard II complaints: you can eject
>from any aircraft--except a helicopter--while it is still on
>the ground; they did try to reroute the airplanes during the
>movie.  The ones with the most fuel were sent elsewhere,
>whereas those with little fuel flew in a circular pattern.
>
>
>	Rikilla the Hun


But the tower chief said, "We just bought ourselves 2 hours" after the
initial broadcast to the planes.  If a plane has enough fuel to circle
for two hours I think it has enough fuel to land elsewhere.

Mary H.
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From: gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker)
Subject: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:00:42 GMT


I am intersted in seeing who people think are the most underrated actor and
actress currently working today...


Actress- Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio- without a doubt a fine actress...
if you judge her work in "Scarface" "The Color of Money" (she was robbed by
the Academy), and "Class Action". And even with the "bombs" she was involved
with managed to pull off a good performance. THe stigma on her is that she
can't seem to find the right script to fulfill her potential. Maybe since she
gets rave reviews for doing Shakespeare, Kenneth Branaugh will cast her in
one of his Shakespeare remakes (after he completes "Much Ado About Nothing")

Actor- A tossup between Gene HAckman and Christopher Walken. Hackman, IMHO
is strong no matter what role he plays, from Lex Luthor to the Sheriff in 
"Unforgiven" gives a fine performance. He just never seemed to get any credit
in his films after "French Connection." He also had an amazing performance
in "Class Action" (a film I thought worthy of Oscar attention, but was
snubbed) I think most people will agree he is often overlooked in many of
his performances and even though he does a fine job, may become nothing
more than a "glorified character actor" in the views of filmgoers

Christopher Walken, again, is an amazing actor. "The Deer Hunter" and
"King of New York" solidify him as that. I personally also like him 
in "Biloxi Blues." The thing that sticks out in my mind though that
really irks me, is that he seemingly has no emotion in his voice, just
a type of monotonous drawl that makes him sound like he is dragging along



What's your opinion?

Jeff Hawkins
Univ. of Virginia
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Subject: Where is Tippi Hedren?
From: whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:34:23 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

I am interested to know if anyone knows whatever happened to Tippi Hedren who
appeared in Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and Marnie.  I've read D. Spoto's
biography so I am aware of Hedren's falling out with Hitchcock and his alledged
advances and obsession with her.  Did she completely leave the film industry
because I haven't seen anything that she's been in recently although every
where I look I see her daughter, Melanie Griffith, but I can't stand her. 
Incidentally, I liked The Birds but I thought Marnie was pretty hokey, even
Sean Connery couldn't save this flick in my book.

Winfield Han
WHAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Top 10 Best Films of 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:01:18 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

My $80.00 (CDN) worth -- 10 * 8.00/flick (average)

1.  Leolo
2.  Antonia and Jane
3.  Mediterraneo
4.  Blast 'Em
5.  Being at Home with Claude
6.  The Player
7.  Howard's End
8.  Husbands and Wives
9.  A League of Their Own
10. Manufacturing Consent

I'd include "Highway 61", as I saw its wide-screen release in 1992, but 
as it premiered in 1991, it's discounted. This is by no means a definitive
or even objective list.  I agree with those who say 1992 wasn't that great a year for flicks, but it really depends on what one's looking for.  Big 
budget over-the-top special effects with actors & actresses who are over-
rated and over-paid for their performances did well, I think, this year.
That is, if box office receipts are to be a prime criterion for judging
these movies.  My personal criteria here are screenplays, perspectives,
performances, and decent editing and directing.

Christina O'Sullivan
cosulliv@sfu.ca
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: The Culkinator!
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.162113.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
>Deja vu, eh Wayne?
>
   Roasted Culkin for Christmas anyone?  Mmmm.

   Wayne
From: csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: most underated actress/actor
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <92351.123026MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu> MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Definitely Whoopi Goldberg.  Flame me if you want but I think that this
>woman is up there with Streep and Close.  She's just not getting the roles.
>I wonder why?   Everything she is in, she makes it better than it is.
>Color Purple, Soapdish, the nun movie from Disney who's name escapes me
>at the moment.                                Melissa Brown

Duck...here come da flames.
Whoopi cannot come close to Meryl Streep in her hayday.
Glen Close at present is much better.

Whoopi is a good character actress, supporting actress, but except for 
The Color Purple, I cannot find any of her work outstanding.

Who can forget the immortal, Jumping Jack Flash...

I love Whoopi and I hope someday to be able to say
that her acting is as good as her personality or
as good as her humor.  
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From: elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr))
Subject: Kozintsev's Russian `Hamlet'
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:32:26 GMT


                                     Singapore,
                                     14.xii.92
Hullo!  I'm new to this group.  I'm involved in a talk about literature
and music, and particularly on Kozintsev's Russian `Hamlet' (1964) based
on Pasternak's translation of the tragedy, and for which Shostakovich
composed the music in the sound track.
     Has anyone seen the film recently?  Any opinions, particularly on how
effective the music is?  No special aversions to opinionated comments
either!  I'm afraid I haven't seen it yet as the library's copy was
faulty, and I don't quite know when they'll get the new copy from the
suppliers.
     Thanks in advance.  Please either post to this newsgroup, or reply
directly to me at elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg.

                                            Peter :-)
From: 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Not Enough Sucking on Keanu
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:13:13 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Dec11.072754.26219@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE>, k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes:
>In article <3447@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec6.034656.27172@Virginia.EDU> jmw3c@Virginia.EDU ("Eddie Vedder") writes:
>>>>Thanks Mike...I'm disappointed with Winona as well...
>>>>Any suggestions on who would do better?  
>>>
>>
>>Uma Thurman.
>>
>Yes, she would have done the role justice. Unfortunately, since Winona
>introduced Frankie Ford to the Dracula screenplay he seemed to feel
>obligated to cast her in a major role in the film. Coppola seems to
>be obligated to make one or two ludicrous casting boo-boos on every
>film he makes nowadays. In Godfather III it was the zombie-debut
>of Sophia Coppola, in Dracula it's Keeno and Winona. 


For those of us into totally mindless Hollywood gossip:  Did you know that
Uma Thurman is Gary Oldman's soon-to-be ex-wife?  Maybe they wouldn't have
gotten along too well on the set.  Also, Winona was supposed to play
the Sophia Coppola role in Godfather III but she got sick and had to
drop out.  I think she would have been great; Sophia was disappointing.

Mary H.
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:02:34 GMT

In article <101807@netnews.upenn.edu> jeremys@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg) writes:
>I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone else out there has read the book.
>I remember reading it and thinking that it would make an awesome movie.  Why 
>is the general opinion in this group that Spielberg won't do the film 
>justice?  Also, why didn't Michael Crichton direct his own book?
>

It's entirely possible that Spielberg will do a good job, but he does
have a tendency to make his films "cutsey".  But considering that
he directed _Jaws_ once upon a time, I'm still hopeful.

As for Crichton, I don't know.  I haven't heard of his involvement
with any film projects forq quite some time.
  

--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: idathon@uts.uni-c.dk (Hans O. Nymand)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Good 1st time, not second
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:57:09 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

>Any movies you saw the first time and thought was good but not 
>the second time you saw it?

Thelma & Louise. I thought this was one of the best movies of '91 when I first
saw it and I'm a big fan of Ridley Scott (was maybe, 1492 wasn't a good movie
either), but on the second viewing (a couple of months ago) the movie just
seemed so unimportant and boring. All the intermediate press-hype about T&H
also made me dislike this movie the second time around (my first viewing was 
at a sneak preview about 2 months before the official premiere, so initially I
had no idea what this movie was about).

Henrik Sahlholt
(d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Most SHOCKING film in my childhood
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:25:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.194556.28817@samba.oit.unc.edu> George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.185241.8485@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes:
...regarding _Kingdom of the Spiders_...

>>Ah, William Shanter in his bet [sic]* non-ST role...  :)
>
>	Not that I am a big William Shatner fan or anything, but before he
>became Capt. Kirk, he actually was at least a competent actor.  I would 
>recommend seeing him in an early '60s Corman release titled Shame (at least,
>that's one title it's known under) about an agent provocateur in a small
>Southern town trying to stir up racial strife.  It was quite an effective
>performance.

I agree.  He was also good the Twilight Zone and Outer Limits episodes
he was in.  _Judgement at Nuremberg_ also comes to mind, if I'm 
thinking of the right movie.


*yes, I know, learn to spell.
--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
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"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Varese-Sarabande (was: Conan Soundtrack)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:13:09 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Keywords: Varese Sarabande, Conan

braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun) writes:

>  Thanks to the people who told me about Varese Sarabande; they really
>  seem to have released a lot of great soundtracks on CD, but as to
>  the Conan the Barbarian, they don't seem to have that.  They DO have
>  the sequel soundtrack, Conan the Destroyer,  which from my memory of
>  the movie was mostly a remix of the original movie'w score.  But I
>  think there were a few tracks absent on the sequel soundtrack which
>  I would really like to have.  I just wrote a letter tonight to V.S. Inc.
>  so maybe I'll know more in a few days (weeks?)  Then again, the sales-
>  types at my local CD Stuperstore could have been mistaken...

I've seen the conan soundtrack on CD in my local store, and it wasn't
from V.S. I can't remember by whom it was, but anyway, you should be
able to order it the regular way.
BTW, I got a reply in the meantime. But they want to have twice the
money for an average CD for one of theirs. And anyway, they stated that
the "'Burbs"-Soundtrack hadn't been available in any format before any-
where.
In fact I've seen it in my record store on the shelves about a year ago.

But they seem to have brought out things worthwhile enough already.


May the Cool Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
From: csroc@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 9 1/2 Weeks
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:32:16 GMT

>>RAPE??????  You mean (Carrie Otis?) was raped?
>>I don't think so.  She didn't seem to be forced
>>into anything she didn't want in this movie. At
>>least that's what I remember.  Anyone else
>>recall what was going on?
> 
> Carrie Otis?? Is this a discussion about 91/2 weeks or Wild Orchid? I
> know both movies have Mickey Rourke in common,but as far as I know
> Carrie Otis was in Wild Orchid, and Kim Basinger was in 91/2 weeks.
> 



ooops my mistake
but my point as applies to KiM Basinger, not Carrie Otis
is even stronger.  Kim was the aggresser in 9 1/2 weeks,
not Mickey Rourke.  Kim is a willing, enthusiastic 
participant in pleasure(Carrie needing a wee bit of coaxing,
but this was not rape by anyones definition but yours.

When a woman seeks sex it cannot be called rape.
Furthur when people are enjoying it , it is called
pleasure.  This was pleasureable sex for both people
(in both movies)
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From: vedanthm@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anuradha Vedantham)
Subject: Question on _Roger_and_Me_
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:33 GMT

	Hi everyone,
		This is my first post to this newsgroup and I do not
read it regularly, so please forgive me if I violate its etiquette
rules. Yesterday I and my husband rented Michael Moore's movie "Roger
and Me" which was a series of interviews about the closing of the
General Motors plant in Flint Michigan. We both liked it very much. We
were very curious to know whether the movie was a documentary and all
the interviews were factual, or whether it was staged.

	Can anyone enlighten us? The movie wasn't explicit either way,
and didn't include any addresses except for the standard Warner Bros.
one. Also, has Michael Moore made any other movies? Does anyone know
his address?

	Please e-mail me since I don't read this group often.
					Thanks,
					Anu Vedantham
					vedanthm@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassix Park <spoilers>
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>Well, I think it would be hard not to do justice to 'Jurassic Park'.

I'm looking forward to the film.  I think it has potential.

>Anyone else think the book was hardly worth wasting the time it took
>to read it?

Though it was a mediocre fast read.  I enjoyed it, but
nothing about it makes me want to agree with these folks
posting "Great Book!!!" and "Best I've ever read!" and
stuff like that.  It was an enjoyable couple of hours, but
that's it.

>On the other hand, that sort of weak plot and wooden characterisation
>might work quite well in a film.

We'll have to see, won't we?

>I just hope we don't have to keep watching the mathematician keep on
>leaping off his death bed to give another 10 minute speech about the
>latest pseudo-science wanking. (Last year it was virtual reality, this
>year it's chaos theory.)

Pseudo-science wanking?  If I understand it correctly,
chaos theory will provide insights into the way almost
all natural systems work, and I suspect that it's study
will yield some amazing analytical work.  Certainly
too soon to call it revolutionary, but it does have that
potential.

I forget what part of the book it was, but there was some
section when a major plot point hinged on what was, to my mind,
a misunderstanding about chaos theory, but I can't
recall what it was.  Any chaos theorists out there who can
help my recall?

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698