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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: IRANIAN OR PERSIAN, SO WHAT? [sci-anonymous-poster]
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:20:48 GMT
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<sehari@iastate.edu>, Babak Sehari writes:
>>In <lgtmn1INNq9i@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:

[   some stuff deleted   ]

>>1) you don't know what I mean. To me "Persian homeland = Iranian homeland"
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I disagree.  Being the blue of the blue myself, I tell you the above
>>statement is wrong.

Who are you to tell me what I mean is wrong?
  
>>The most nationalist book of Iranian literature is Shahnameh
>>ferdowsi, he also never refers to "Persian homeland", he always calls it
>>IranZmin.  The Book of Zartosht, Iranian religion before Islam also calls
>>it IranZmin.

I respect Ferdowsi and his work of art, Shahnameh, as much as other Iranians
do, but Ferdowsi in not my Khomeyni(the 13th Imam) and Shahnameh is not my
tozeeh-ol-masA-el. I don't check with Ferdowsi or Zartosht before talking 
about Iran. 

BTW, why did you call that spell-checking project "Persian Spell Checker"
and not "Farsi Spell Checker"?

>>However, I think you are a wolf in sheep's cloth.  You are trying to
>>create uneasiness between different constituents of Iranian nation.  Well,
>>I said it all.  I truly doubt that you even care about Iran, you just
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>presenting yourself as Iranian to accomplish your objective. In this
>>case, you want to create another Yugoslavia.  Therefore, if you are not a
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>wolf in sheep's cloth, then you are just stupid.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>                      With highest regards,
>>                           Babak  Sehari.
 
 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
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Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:13:15 GMT
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From: ramin@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Ramin Sadr)
Subject: Postings
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:17:29 GMT


Salam bar doostan,

I have been amazed by the audacity of individuals for ripping others apart 
and then posting some ridicules user name for their user id.  I have contacted
number of Unix and InterNet experts, and I have established that it is not a 
difficult matter to track down individual postings, their source and finally 
their userid. I honestly believe that if one does not have the courage to post 
his REAL name with his posting, he should not have the right to insult others 
or state opinions that are directed to discredit an individual. "Khanjar as 
Posht Zadan" is not Iranian, and I do not want to see people getting banged 
up here by some low-life hiding behind a keyboard who does not even has the 
decency to say who he is.  

I think that in a democratic forum, everyone should be free to express 
any opinion as long it is presented rationally and conforms to practicing
protocols for freedom of expression. But at least they should have the 
decency to say who they are, if they seek to attack an individual,  
or an ideology.  These individuals obviously know who they are, 
and I am asking them with all dues and respect to stop this once and for all, 
since after all as we say "Jooyandeh Yabandeh hast".  Thus, you can hide but 
you can't RUN.

Generally if I read an opinion expressed by an individual whose affiliation
comes from a respected organization, I would give 
a lot more thought to the statement than someone shooting from the hip in 
some north-south junior college with a Hardambil userid.  In conclusion, I 
think individuals affiliation says a lot about their intellectual ability and 
analytical capacity, and their name is a requirement for giving any weight to 
their opinion.  However, I should point out that I agree with the concept of 
anonymous posting, as long as the individual is really trying to protect his 
identity for preventing persecution of himself or members of his family.  In a 
civilized society you cannot curse and insult others at will, and this medium
should not provide a platform for electronic disguise.  




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Deep Racism (was Re: Sale of Spy Satellite to ...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:09:54 GMT

saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

>mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi), an apologist
>for the terrorist Khomeini regime expresses his deep thought:
>[stuff deleted]

>>Arabs...... the world would be a safer place without them. Just the deep 
>>thought..... 

>>I can't believe I said that.

>Believe it. It is you. And it wont take very long
>for people like you to show your real face and to
>express your deep thoughts.


Ask most Arabs.  They are going to tell you the same thing.
I have a Palestinian friend who is fet up with all Arabism.
He is NO PROUD for being an Arab.  Lebaneese are mostly the same.
Why?
Because of the way they are humiliated by the West.
They way Fahads and Mobaraks and Hoseins are being imposed on them.
The way they are being robbed of their natural resources.
Specially after American adventurism in the PERSIAN Gulf
there is nothing left of the Arab pride.

>It is unfortunate that while the Khomeini regimes'
>terrorist Pasdaran and/or the IDF need your services,
>you're wasting your time in Ohio.


You are certainly not wasting your time where you are!
You seem to be a very good propaganda tool for Saddam.

Better be a Khomeini appologist than a Saddam appologist.

U_c
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.british
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Thatcher urges Israeli students to unlock 'secrets of the universe'
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:05:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.231318.18855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.165309.7835@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.101345.1010@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>>
>>>Readers might suggest some other equally suitable names they could
>>>attach to "centers".
>>>
>>>"The Jack the Ripper Women's Rights Center"
>>>
>>>"The Ayatollah Khomeini center for freedom of speech"
>>>
>>>"the Jean-Marie Le Pen center for racial understanding"
>>>
>>
>>"The Ronald Reagan Library" (they almost built it behind Stanford, but
>>                             howls of protest caused them to drop the idea)
>>
>>"The Helen Keller Audio-Visual Center"
>
>This is probably appropriate for rec.humor but who cares...
>
>The George Bush Center for Economics Management
>
>The Dan Quayle Center for Executive Excellence
>
>The Charles & Diana foundation for Marital Research 
>
>The Mulroney Center for Anglo-French Integration
>
>...
>
>:-)
>
>Anymore folks?
>
>Aref
>

the ali baba center for political correctness

the zafar center for humorology 

the mahin center for congeniality

the anyone center for tolerance testing

--== not the fingernail man ==--

zafar
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Ms(Mr)King (the jews)
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Your advice
|In article <1992Nov10.180004.2400@ra.msstate.edu>
|eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza) writes:
| 
|>>
|>>Salaam doostane garami,
|>>
|>>One night in Mississippi when all our friends were sitting and
|>>talking to each other, one of us raised a question that I
|>>thought it might be interesting to raise it here in the net.
|>>
|>>The question was "what would be your five most important advice
|>>to iranian government?".

Nadja writes:

Commit mass suicide. Maybe then, someday, Iran could have a sane and
responsible government.
---------------------------------------------
I do not beleive how much hatred you got toward I.R.Iran and the
Muslims

The support for the Islamic R.Iran (by all the muslims in the world) 
is going from strength to strength whether you or scums like you
like it or not






                                                     
                    THE JEWS CLAIM THAT THE GERMAN KILLED 6 MILLION 
                    JEWS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR II???
                    IN FACT THERE WERE ONLY 600,000 JEWS LIVED IN
                    EUROPE (NOT JUST IN GERMANY).

                                          GERMAN HISTORIAN 1985
                                          PROSECUTED FOR TELLING
                                          THE TRUTH.
                                        
                                          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Ms(Mr)King (the jews)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:42:06 GMT

wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:

>>You've forgotten about the close ties between Arabic countries and South Africa
>>(where did you think South Africa got it's oil from anyway?)
>>

>From the same source Israel gets its oil -- the open commodities market.
>Show us some real evidence (if you have any), because using your 
>logic, one has to conclude that Arab states also have "close ties" 
>with Israel!! 

It's long been an open secret that South Africa gets most of its oil
through deals with the Arab oil producing states.  For many years,
Israel pumped a substantial amount of its own oil from fields it
developed in the Sinai;  part of the treaty with Egypt called for
Israel to buy that oil.

It's possible that some of the oil Israel bought on the world market
originally came from other Arab states, but without their collusion,
unlike the situation with their secret shipments to South Africa.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Dastgah Concept in Persian Music - the book
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:47:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
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In article <1992Nov10.221748.3782@mdd.comm.mot.com> kamyar@mdd.comm.mot.com (Kamyar Moinzadeh) writes:

 
> A really good book on this subject is titled "Sargozashte Mooshighieh
> Iran" by Mr. Khaleghi.  This book comes in three volumnes and the
> second volume is about Colonel Vaziri(Khalegi's Ostad) and all he had
> to go through to revolutionize Traditional Persian Music.

thanks for the pointer.  ill try to find it the book...  

>
> >btw, what is javaa ma'roofi up to these days?
>
> I was fortunate to attend Mr. Maroofi's concert(summer of 1990 )in
> Vancouver B.C.  He was giving this concert to raise money to help the
> earthquake vicitims of Iran.  As usual he performed magic with his
> fingers on the piano. 

how exciting.  i would give an arm (i've got two!) to hear him
perform!  his music has served as an umbillical chord connecting us to
our past, our home country and heritage for many years.  it reminds me of
what chopins piano music did for the polish...

> I asked Mr.
> Maroofi how come his not conducting and arranging for the orchestra.

not only heard him, but you also *talked* to the legend!?   im green with nv...

> It seems that the political and social situation in Iran does not
> allow some of the masters in Persian music to record and sell their
> perfomances.  For example Mr. Khaledi and Mr. Badii have both passed
> away without any major recordings after the revolution.  Specially the
> violin players, because it seems the violin(taknavazi) has been banned
> from Persian Music.

its truly sad.  i yearn for the day when musicians in iran arent looked 
down upon and shed their 'motreb' sefats.

speaking of javaad ma'roofi, heres something that might surprise you: mr
ma'roofis piano music on prime-time american tv!  yes!  

what happened was that they were showing this video of a bunch of kids
giving a piano recital on 'americas funniest videos' (i think), and one
of them started playing mr ma'roofis piece 'jeelaa'!  the kid looked very 
american (blond, etc).  i suppose he could have had an iranian piano
teacher or an iranian parent, or maybe the music has entered the 
standard piano music repertoire on its own musical merits.  it is a
charming piece afterall.  the highlight of the video (for the intended
audience) was that one of the kids fell off the stage or something...
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Did Shahrokh get this right? [sci-poster]
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:07:47 GMT
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In article <lgdftdINNsk0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> guest@galaxy.uc.edu writes:
>This is just a test to see if shahrokh has got the stuff right.
>
>Morad

not yet, you probably posted while i was editing the scipts to add some
more features... it should be ready in about an hour or so.  ill set it
up so that if im working on the thing, it sends back a msg to the sender
saying that the alias is temporarily off-line.  no time to write 
a daemon to queue posts and send them out when the alias is up again!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Who speaks for sci?
Organization: 10-4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:10:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.092104.0287884@locus.com> sassan@locus.com (Sassan Behzadi) writes:
>
>Hi Hooshyar. 
>
>Thanks for your response. Thoughful as usual!  You write:

Hi Sassan, thanks for your elaboration.  I can only say that I agree with
your points.

>>What we have read so far, and continue to read in the near future, _IS_
>>soc.culture.iranian. 
>
>Let me disagree with you on this very basic idea. Although the 
>character shown by many on this newsgroup has been typically Iranian, 
>the medium itself (USENET) is not. SCI is different from any other 
>Iranian community. It's the only Iranian 'club' whose membership can 
>be obtained at will - by anyone. No questions asked, no political 
>(or religious) oaths taken. I know of no other Iranian organization 
>(at home or abroad) that includes so many Iranians of such diverese 
>political and religious beliefs.  I agree with you that, as Iranians, 
>we've been brought up to 'love' our own beliefs and 'hate' the beliefs 
>of others. We've all been taught (by our rulers/elders/parents) about 
>the 'real truth'. We have the world figured out and we can't understand 
>why some people don't see things our way. We simply don't know how to 
>deal with people that we don't agree with (or people who don't agree 
>with us). And before SCI we never had to. 

I couldn't have expressed it any better.  We are changing and sci is
proof of it.  I must have sounded negative when I replied to you.  I
believe these 'hate' episodes are the last strings that humanity is
witnessing today.  Thanks God that mentally speaking we don't buy and
accept hatred and prejudice anymore.

>SCI provides us with a unique experience. A chance to come face to 
>face with different people and different ideas. I, for one, have 
>learned more - on this net - from people I disagree with than those 
>I agree with. In the face of this opportunity (which may never again 
>present itself) should we act our typical Iranian-self: yell, ridicule, 
>use profanity and threaten, or should we do something we never learned 
>to do well? ... Listen.

I say listen and share too.  But we ought to be aware that the sad music
of 'tahajor' is playing its last strings.  It will be with us for a while
and it's place is sci.

>I agree with you. The problem isn't with religious discussions.
>But rather with discussions carried out religiously. We have a chance
>to listen, learn and discuss, but we just yell, yell and yell.

So we agreed with each other left and right.  :-)  Thanks for your
input.  It did offer several tips as how to make sci a better and more
enjoyable medium to communicate.

Regards,
Hooshyar
From: mrj@sparce.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mojtaba Rajaee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Looking for MAJID NAGHSHINEH
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:29:06 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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Ba Salaam,
 
I am looking for a friend that I last saw someone posted an article on
his behalf regarding Hadaf High School. His name is MAJID NAGHSHINEH. He
was my fellow classmate at Isfahan Univ. of Technology. Apparently, he is
now at Imperial College of London. I had a hard  time going back to that
article where there was an e-mail address from him. 
I greatly appreciate any information on the address or e-mail of Majid.
Thank you.

Mojtaba Rajaee
Brown University
Center for Fluid Mechanics
Providence, RI 02912

e-mail: mrj@cfm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Thatcher urges Israeli students to unlock 'secrets of the universe'
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:13:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
>        JERUSALEM (UPI) -- Israel's leading university named a new science
>center Monday after former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who
>urged the nation's researchers to ``unlock the secrets of the universe.''

Readers might suggest some other equally suitable names they could
attach to "centers".

"The Jack the Ripper Women's Rights Center"

"The Ayatollah Khomeini center for freedom of speech"

"the Jean-Marie Le Pen center for racial understanding"

etc.

Matthew Huntbach
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: doost - A poem by Fereydoon Moshiri (in Gerdsooz)
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:44:54 GMT
Organization: Stanford University



I took this poem from the ftp site and ran it through Gerdsooz (tm).
Hope you like it.


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Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:31:50 GMT
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