HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:07:36 GMT

In article <greg.718424472@octopus> greg@octopus.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:
>
>>In the area of physical needs, women clearly have significantly greater needs
>>than men. Believe me, I was able to work right up to the evening of my child's
>>delivery, and show up at work the next day as well.
>
>My God Orville. I am just floored.   "Dull chap" doesn't begin to
>describe you.
>
>Screw the goddamned job.  Why did you have a child in the first place if
>you were totally unwilling to act like a man?

Exactly what stereotype behaviour should a "man" act like? Would you have me
rent a room in the hospital so that I can have a pseudo-labor/delivery
experience? Camp out on the doorstep of the hospital when it is not visiting
time?

>I hope your wife had enough sense to run off with a human.

No. She also believes that you [should] get what you work for. Four hours 
before deivery she was taking her English 101 final. [She got an A.] It took
a couple weeks for her to finish her final composition, though.

But enough personal attacks. It doesn't do your case any good. If you have
something intelligent to say about any of the following topics, please do so:

	1) Proof that the physical needs of males and females are equal.
	2) Proof that this country has unallocated resources that can
	   be applied to improving the benefits provided to workers.
	3) If you can't prove that [with both budget and trade deficits]
	   we have unallocated resources, make some suggestions about what 
	   we can give up in order to free resources to improve the benefits 
	   provided to workers.
	4) Or get real creative an demonstrate that we really don't have budget
	   and trade deficits, or that they are good things that we should try
	   to increase.

orville

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Orville R. Weyrich, Jr.                        Weyrich Computer Consulting
Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer            Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net
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From: burton@misty.boeing.com (Brandy Burton-Tarantino)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: FANTASY JOB...
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:38:43 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

/ misty:misc.jobs.misc / hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu (HAMON SHARON ANN) /  1:16 pm  Oct  7, 1992 /
>	Mine would involve several things...
>	Speaking, training, motivational talks,
>	It would include racewalking and travel, 
>	Lots of people, kids, talking, laughing.  

Running a Big Brothers/Sisters type of organization
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From: kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:02:39 PDT
Reply-To: srhqla!quest!kdq
Organization: Job quest  (805) 251-8210,  So Cal: (800) 400-8210

bob@netxcom.netx.com (Robert Thralls) writes:
> ... Perhaps, sometime, I'll
> tell you of the time I took a really nasty C test in an interview, passed
> with flying colors, my career had been tailored for this position, two levels
> of management wanted to hire me, but it was nixed by a geek who condemned 
> not only me, but the manager who even considered hiring someone without a 
> degree. This happened right here in Reston, Virginia! Right here! Of all 
> places, can you believe that?

    Many moons ago, I was a programmer (not senior) at Bunker Ramo,
when a new VP of Engineering was brought in.  On his first day, he
declared that thenceforth, only degreed engineers would be hired, and
only degreed engineers would be promoted.  Apparently he was not aware
that of the entire engineering staff, only two of the junior
programmers had degrees.  The entire engineering department (including
the junior programmers) tendered their resignations on the spot.
Strange enough, we had another new VP the very next day.

 _
Kevin D. Quitt                                 Job Quest (805) 251-8210
srhqla!quest!kdq                               Learn How to Get a Job in SoCal

                96.37% of all statistics are made up.
From: robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Info on CSC?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:24:16 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1992Oct7.045752.22831@netcom.com>, marilyn@netcom.com (Marilyn Mallette) writes:
> A friend of mine works for Hughes Aircraft in one of their MIS groups.  Hughes
> has just outsourced its MIS to CSC.  Does anyone have any information about
> CSC in general?  How is the MIS staff at Hughes likely to be treated (i.e.
> taken on en mass, interviewed for positions at CSC, fired)?  If they are
> hired, what are the working conditions like at CSC?  
> 

Interesting...

In November 1991, CSC took over General Dynamic's entire Data Systems Divsion.
All current DSD employees (2600) were offered a job at CSC -- slight increase
in salary, but lower benefis.  CSC took ownership of all computer hardware
and GD committed to give all computer work to CSC. There was very little 
change to the actual DSD workers.  The management tree remained the pretty 
much the same execpt for "corporate".  I think there have been some layoffs,
but these occured over time, when there wasn't any more GD work for them. 
(I think CSC still gets paid as part of the "guarantee" in the contract.)

Earlier this year, GD sold its Convair and Electronics Divisions to Hughes.
Looks like CSC had their foot already in the door.

What's strange is Hughes is owned by GM which also owns EDS.  I 
wonder what EDS thinks about this?

-- 
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Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station            robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ politicese for a nuke plant
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From: hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu (HAMON SHARON ANN)
Subject: Re: FANTASY JOB...
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:16:10 GMT

>	Mine would involve several things...
>	Speaking, training, motivational talks,
>	It would include racewalking and travel, 
>	Lots of people, kids, talking, laughing.  

Counselor or preacher (whatever your denomination calls it).
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: ROCV2.ZIP - Resume on Computers (ROC), A Resume Database....
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:46:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: VGR.9210140845.aa09193
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Okay -- with just a little help from our 'friends', it is ready for use....
--bob

----- Forwarded message # 1:

From: Bob Stringfield <bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
To: msdos-ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil
Subject:   ROCV2.ZIP - Resumes On Computer (ROC), a resume database

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.database>
ROCV2.ZIP       Resumes On Computer (ROC), a resume database

Resumes on Computers (ROC) is an innovative way to list your
qualifications with more than 2400 employers located throughout
North America.  ROC was created by Curtis Development Company
as a way to electronically pool large numbers of fresh resumes.
Resumes are created using word processors, copied onto a diskette
and sent to ROC.  The program will tag resumes with certain job-
seeker defined preferences.  As many resumes as can be fitted on
a diskette may be submitted to ROC.  It is up to you.  Regardless
of what you do or whether you currently have a job, ROC will render
the full text of your resume searchable by computer for a six-month
period.

The ROC Entry Program:

      Converts any word-processing resume file into a format
suitable for computerized searching; allows existing resumes to be
edited or new resumes to be created; assists the job seeker in answering
career-specific questions; displays all converted resumes on the
screen as they will appear to employers; can run on any computer that
uses the DOS operating system and has a hard drive.  To install,
type 'install' and follow the on-screen instructions.  A Macintosh
version of this program is also available.

ROC can be reached at:

              ROC
              P.O. Box 1387
              Indianapolis, IN  46206-1387
              (317) 636-1000 (Marty Erwin)

Those wishing to obtain a password for direct computerized access to
ROC resumes should contact the Human Resource Information Network at
1-800-421-8884.

Comments/recommendations about ROC should be directed to ROC.

Bob Stringfield
bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil

----- End of forwarded messages
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: changing jobs
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:03:21 GMT

In article <Bw4o3F.1pG@encore.com>, sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois) writes:
=)In article <2ADA3DC2.9224@news.service.uci.edu>,
=)jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien) writes:
=)> 
=)> I've been told that in the industry (electrical engineering) the fastest way
=)> to get promotion and raises is to change jobs. The reason behind this
=)(I was told)
=)> is that when you work for one company for so long, your salary curve
=)flattens out
=)> and same thing with promotions.
=)> 
=)> First of all, can anyone verify the validity of the above claim and
=)how much things have changed after all the layoffs and cutbacks?
=)> 
=)> Secondly, what are 
=)I know someone who graduated in 1990 and has doubled his salary since then.
=)He just started his 3rd job since graduation recently.  People who 
=)started the same time as him at job #1 and stayed there are making 
=)about $5k to $8k less........
=)
Well, I'd be inclined to ask what he started at relative to these others.
On the assumption that they all started at $30k, a little low for entry-level
EEs, he is making $60K and his friends are making $52K-$55K.  It seems like
all of them are getting paid well out of proportion to what their market
value actually is.  Even assuming they're all geniuses, genius is seldom
rewarded commensurately.

If, on the other hand, he started out with a small, cash-poor company for
$20K, and is now making $40K, his friends are making $32K to $35K.  This
sounds somewhat more probable, although the main reason for his dramatic
improvement in salary is actually due to a combination of his low starting
salary _and_ his frequent job changes.  He probably would not, in this case,
have gotten such large increases for jumping jobs if his salary had been
more in line with the industry.

Any more detailed info?
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| johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com | Don't let fire rush to your head   |
|                                        |        -- The Alan Parsons Project |
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:05:03 GMT

In article <13148@ten-forward> linda@Software.Mitel.COM (Linda Campbell) writes:
>
> I live in Canada where there is a Family leave Act and "NO", I have never
>felt discriminated against.  I'm in the High tech industry which, I might add, 
>is relatively new to women and when I was interviewed for my position   
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>never once did I ever feel like they might be thinking that I could one day
>be requesting maternity leave.  Thought you'd like to know my $0.02 worth.

Maybe they didn't know what your were..  :-)

Actually I am much more pessimistic, in the last twenty years the percentage
of women in this business (always abysmally low) seems to have gone down
dramatically, ie. asymptotically approaching zero.  And I find it one of
the least attractive features of this field.  And that's my $0.02 worth
(actually $0.16 worth and dropping).

Rob D.
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:02:17 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:

> Your girlfriend may have meet someone with as strange an interviewing style
> as me; it is also possible that she just meet an incompetent interviewer.

> By the way, "how do you debug a program" is the ONLY question that I'll ask
> in an interview that I base my hiring recommedation upon.

Well then, perhaps this guy's girlfriend met YOU.  Judging a candidate on
one question, no matter how comprehensive, is ridiculous.  Considering this
question to be comprehensive is just plain bizarre.

> What I have found odd is that in the five or six years that I've been
> involved in interviews and the 100s of interviews that I've given I've
> never gotten a student with a computer science or computing degree to give
> me a sensible answer;

And you still haven't gotten the clue that perhaps your expectations are
incorrect!  Still, perhaps it's a good thing; all those students aren't going
to have to WORK with you.

--
Also, I think Washington, D.C. should be destroyed.
Tony Shepps toad@cellar.org
Preferred address: toad%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 654 9184 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Subject: What to do after sending out resumes?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:58:01 GMT

I have questions concerning the process of job application. It seems to me it takes long time for some potential employers to process job applications(Is it itself usual?). What am I supposed to do after sending out my resumes? Surely I should not  just sit there waiting for the good new's coming. BUt if you have call them for a couple times only to hear "we are still scanning resumes", what are you
going to do then? Wait or continue to call. I don't want to give them impression I push them too hard. But if I stop calling, I am afraid I would miss decisive time. Any suggestions and ideas? 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale)
Subject: Re: Wanted: NOT FT, NOT contract
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:24:15 GMT

In article <96900001@glas.apc.org> mr@glas.apc.org (Michael Mescheryakov) writes:
>
>
>                 Dear netters !
>
>  We want to  discuss not a  employer/employee problems as  is
>usual  in  this  group  but  a  software development contracts
>between companies.
>
>  Our company MrSoft (Russia)  now is intensively seekind  for
>Western software development contracts.   It seems to  us that
>placing  of  such  contracts  in  Russia  is highly profitable
>business  now  because  of  extremely  low  labour cost in our
>country.
>
>                                                        MrSoft
>                                            Alexander Fursaev.
>
>
>Fax:    7-(095)-292-65-11
>        For: MRSOFT
>        box: 4998
>
>E-Mail: mr@glas.apc.org       (the best (& cheapest) way)

STOP USING USENET FOR YOUR BUSINESS PURPOSEEEEEEEEEEEEE



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.134128.10837@weyrich.UUCP> uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.105339.20769@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel) writes:
>>orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Oct2.102544.24569@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel) writes:
>>>>cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>>>>>>[lots of stuff deleted]
>choose. And anyway, we can't afford it given our present budget and trade
>deficits, without eliminating something else. Exactly what other employer-
>provided fringe-benefit or government-provided social program do you think is
>less important than paid "psychological" leave?
>

Payoffs for the politically connected, rapacious bank fraud artists, their
sons and friends...how can this go so unquestioned?  Add in an obsolete
military-industrial complex, universal payment to rich people just because
of age...good start on a couple hundred billion of tax payer stolen (sometimes
literally) dollars.  (Well, you asked!)

Rob D.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mctague@sju.edu (Brendan McTague)
Subject: Seeking Headhunters: Michigan Area
Organization: St. Joseph's University - Philadelphia, PA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:40:14 GMT

I am seeking information on any and all employment agencies located
in the central michigan area specializing in computer related employment.
Please e-mail any responces to:

                    mctague@sju.edu

If and when I get a somewhat complete list, I will post the entire thing here.

Thanks in advance:

Brendan


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  =(___)=  Brendan McTague, Office of Network Services & Academic Computing 
     U       St. Joseph's University, Philadelphia, PA  (mctague@sju.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: headhunters who specialize in European technical positions
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:49:42 GMT

In article <3786@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> krassin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Keith E. Krassin) writes:
>
>    I need some input about headhunters and their value when 
>searching for a job.  
>
>1.  I have heard that their fees (whatever %) can and have, 
>    alot of times, driven down or taken a cut out of the first 
>    year salary a company might offer you.  
>2.  I also know sending out resumes personally to companies, 
>    stops the headhunter from contacting  those companies.  
>
>I need some advise on the best approach to take when trying to 
>locate employment.  My first thoughts are to take advantage of 
>any personal contacts I have in the area and then let a headhunter 
>take over from there.  Any pros and cons about headhunters or past 
>experiences will be beneficial!  Thanks!
>
Keith,

I don't claim to have any answers, though I've worked as a consultant, as
has my partner, for several years in Eurpoe, and for about a year or so,
we front-ended for a broker located in Munich who wanted a Silicon Valley
screening contact. My experience is that practice varies in the type of
work sought, and the type of contract-lettor one is dealing with (e.g.,
Siemens vs. Two-Guys-and-a-Hack), as well as the much more interesting
labor law and taxation rules which exist in each country.

I suggest you re-post with more details, e.g., X-server internals in
Brussels and the environs, 6-months or longer, > 100 employee firm,
head-hunter/placement advice wanted.

Of course my advise is worth what you payed for it.
-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:7198 fl.jobs:103 misc.consumers:17893
From: drodrigu@irscscm.UUCP (Dianne Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,fl.jobs,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Allen & Associates (Headhunters)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:36:01 GMT
Organization: Internal Revenue Service

kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt) writes:
: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro) writes:
: > ... a little alarm went off in my head when the woman
: > there wanted a 398 dollar "out-of-pocket" payment up front.
: 
:     Listen to that alarm.  Run, do not walk, away from them. Do not pay
: them anything.  No reputable placement firm will charge you anything.
: 
:  _
: Kevin D. Quitt                                 Job Quest (805) 251-8210
: srhqla!quest!kdq                               Learn How to Get a Job in SoCal

  Correct!  As far as I know, NO headhunting agencys charge the person
  looking for a job, they are paid by the company that is doing the hiring.
  If a person is out looking for a job...where are they supposed to get the 
  extra cash to pay for the H.H.??  So the hiring company pays the H.H. when they hire the person..that way they only get paid if you get a job!
  Makes them work harder for you.

  DKR
  No, I won't do you any favors!
From: burton@misty.boeing.com (Brandy Burton-Tarantino)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:42:41 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

>/ misty:misc.jobs.misc / int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) /  3:10 pm  Oct  7, 1992 /
>
>   "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
>a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"
>
>The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
>trying to ask?
----------

  "What are your ambitions"  -- Kinda like "If you won 10 million dollars
   what would the FIRST thing you did with it" will tell you a lot about
   what people value.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: t90651rh@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Rie Hiramoto)
Subject: wanting information
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: misc.jobs.misc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:07:04 GMT


Hello
	I am a university student (junior) in Japan(Uni.of Keio), and

	wanting advices of my future career.

Let me introduce myself:
	
Name:Rie Hiramoto
Sex: F
Age:19
I lived in the states for 7 years(1983-1990), and a graduate of
Scarsdale H.S of New York states.
I am majored in Urban Design, and taking French as my third language.
I spent a month in Paris last spring to study French.

	However, I'm not willing to work as an Urban Designist.

	Since last year when I worked as an interrepter in an event
        called "World Children's Baseball Fair", where Hank Aaron
	and Oh Sadaharu are directed, I've been interested in 
	organizing and managing event where children from all over the
	world can get together and have fun.  The event,"WCBF" was
	run by those two people, and the organization called
	International Baseball Association was in charge.  

	Those are some questions that I have;
	
	1.What kind of organization do I have to work for in order to 
	  involve in such events?
	
	2.What kind of knowledge should I have in order to fulfill the
	  the demand of such job? (I'm taking Business English course
          now)

	3.Where can I make a contact in order to get real informations?


	For now, I don't mind the country where the organization is
	located.

		Please help me.   Thank you.

	p.s Please email me.  
					Rie Hiramoto, Tokyo Japan

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