From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: liberal men are a hot item?
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:50:34
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In-reply-to: sheaffer@netcom.com's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.175617.17310@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>Indeed, the notion of a "hot liberal man" seems to be at least a
>little self-contradictory. If a man is always oh-so-considerate of a
>woman's feminist sensitivities (under which male sexual advances are
>more or less criminal :)  ), it's difficult to see how he can possibly
>be "hot".

Ah, so that's the problem.  Well, Robert, it might be that you would not
find any of the men I have been involved with "hot" because they don't
go on at length about how manly they are.  However, I find them
extremely hot...particularly the androgynous seriously-feminist types.
No feminist I know personally, by the way, either male or female,
considers male sexual advances to be anywhere near criminal.  Perhaps it
is the *type* of advances that you try that are criminal?  For example,
grabbing a woman and slinging her against the wall to show your
masculine power *is* criminal.  Seriously, though...what's your
approach?  "I'm a man, I'm hot, let's have sex?"  Not too thrilling, if
you ask me.  Now, my SO can lick the tip of his nose...talk about
exciting...*GRIN*.  Oh, I forgot, you're not into that lesbian stuff
like oral sex on women.  Well, anyway....

My two male lovers right now are both very strongly feminist.  In fact,
I met one of them on soc.feminism.  They're also very hot...indeed, they
both have a bit of trouble with the way that people keep trying to get
into bed with them.  One currently has about six women and one man
interested in sex with him.  The other has at least three women and four
men who would love to get him in bed (and probably a lot more
electronically - he's darned attractive electronically).

>We know that jock hunks, who most certainly are *not* known
>for their liberal, Politically Correct views, are nonetheless HOT items
>as potential mates.

Depends who you're asking.  I get carried away by a nice body every once
in a while, but for a "mate" I'd like something of a mind, too...great
bodies are worth maybe one night in bed, but what do you do with them in
the morning?  Fortunately for me, my SO has both...and is a feminist
(actually, with both my male lovers, I have to argue the "men aren't as
bad as you think" side...sometimes difficult after a long day on the
net)...*GRIN*...

>Of course, the most Politically
>Correct group among males appears to be the gays, and there seems to be
>reason to think that when a male becomes THAT Correct, his only hope
>for finding "hot sex" would be with another man.

Actually, some gay men very misogynistic, which is not very "Correct."
Still, it's probably a great solution for all the men who are so afraid
of women...

Muffy
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Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
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