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From: inspecti@ux7.lbl.gov ()
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Subject: well anyway
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Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:56:20 GMT
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though the noise and the light it's no wonder nobody saw him come in.  he's
taken a spot on the bar near the back, and has laid out three coins on the
scarred plastic.

the glass he's drinking from is filled with something which might, in a 
better world, have been ambrosia.  but since this is the real world, he
settles for a dark brew which takes a long time to pour.  he drinks it
slowly and with relish.  he reaches into a pocket in his somewhat 
worn coat and removes a small cellophane-wrapped package.

he opens it, and takes something from it.  he eats that something.
it smells like licorice.

what's he look like?  genuinely normal.  eyes a little deeper-set, and grey.
hair short, dark blond, and more-or-less tidy. he could use a shave, but 
then, couldn't we all?

he looks, well, he doesn't look like he belongs here, but he doesn't look
like a tourist, either.  he wears the expression of one who is used to not
being a local.  pleasant enough, reserved, maybe a little amused.

there's a card resting on the bar, next to his left elbow.

the card says   "Jones"



Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: donnyj@htsa.aha.nl (Donny Janzen)
Subject: Gibson & Holland
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:32:21 GMT

I've recently read Neuromancer and have just started on Count Zero, Gibson
write alot about holland (Amsterdam, dutch surgeons). In which way is he
connected to this beautiful country?

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From: friedman@clam.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: ADMIN: 21st Century Schizoid Man status
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:02:04 GMT

In article <460.112.uupcb@ssr.com> jani.patokallio%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Jani Patokallio)  writes:
>So, I would appreciate it very much if the authors could E-Mail to me
>any updates to the following stories:
>
>21st Century Schizoid Man, by Mark Friedman, received up to Ch 11/21

21CSM hit a wall a while back: suddenly it didn't want to be written!
So I gave it a break while (I try not to force stories) I worked on my
comics writing.  But now the story is asking to be finished, so issues
12 and up will be coming Real Soon Now...

							- Mark

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former   "Beat poets,    "If you put a hungry ferret in your
 about King Crimson."       not children."  trousers, he'll run around..."
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90    - anonymous     - Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: garcia@husc10.harvard.edu (Javier Garcia-Torres)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:20:14 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


	Tia Carrere as Holly???  I thought Kim Basinger was playing Holly.  
                       ^^^^^
 	But in all seriousness, I don't think that Tia, lovely though she
may be, would be right for Molly.  She's not pumped enough.  And she'd
have to lose her tan(i.e. scene in the T-A compound where she has to
convince Case to put on the tan-in-a-bottle).  So would the entire cast,
come to think of it.
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:28:18 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:


>but I'm giving the Information Society a 100% of being included
>in it. Just look at their latest album, "HACK", with the pic of a
>beat up car on the front, and a series of pictures of the members
>sitting in front of torn apart computers and spray painted skulls
>... That will easily fit in... -George Gruschow

I personally think that Information Society are a bunch of poseurs.  I
think the Jesus and Mary Chain are more cyberpunk (as far as attitude
goes) than they are.  same with Joy Division and New Order.....

But I think Front 242 are -the- cyberpunk band....
But this is only my humble opinion....
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dcohan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: beyond _MIRRORSHADES_
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:54:07 GMT

Can anyone point me to works done by Marc Laidlaw or James Patrick Kelly,
beyond the sf stories that are in _MIRRORSHADES_ ?

btw, Mr. Maddox, i liked your _snake eyes_ story, but was disappointed in the
ending.  out of curiosity, did you have any other endings in mind for George
Jordan?

regards to all 'punks,

-dEBBIE                                         
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: b. sterling
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:23:09 GMT

In article <92276.093310BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> <BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>bruce sterling, what a loser, he may have a cyberpunk attitude but he can't
>write for crap.  I first read gibson's stuff then sterling and was completly
>disappointed.  and how about "Difference Engine" i think that it could have
>been a good book if just gibson wrote it.  I have read and will continue to
>read sterling's stuff but only for the story his style needs a lot of work.

	And obviously this is the person to teach him.  

	I'm happy to see that psuvm is still maintaining its high standards.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:44:48 GMT

In article <Bvu1qu.AJ9@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.213335.638@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:
>|> >...stuff...
>|> >Call yourself a true magician eh? Answer me this:
>|> >	Have you ever logged on the Internet,
>|> >	From your calculator?? 
>|> Yeah, but have you ever chatted with a guy in Brazil from the midwest on your calculator via radio?  ;)
>
>A calculator? Easy. But just try it from an abacus.
>Or, if you prefer analog, a slide rule. (you do own a slide rule, don't you?)

But... have YOU ever spoken with martians by counting your toes? 

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: angus@well.sf.ca.us (Angus P. MacDonald)
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:00:34 GMT



". . . Sterling's work is just too unsettling . . .'

It sure is, and that's why it got my attention back in '82,
before I knew there was a movement or anything.

Angus MacDonald           angus@well.sf.ca.us
Box 561, Concord, California, USA, 94522-0561
      [California Entertainment Review:
             Free for an SASE]
From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <16075@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>> guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au writes:
>> A cyberpunk revolution ain't gonna happen in the real world is what I'm
>> saying.
>
>Either that or it's already happened.
>
>Max Headroom didn't start out with "20 minutes into the future" for nothing,
>folks.

	I never thought that any cyberpunk world was created out of
a "revolution."  Instead it seemed to be more of a gradual evolution
out of what we have today.  (Differs depending on the game, novel,
author, etc, of course...)  Many feel that we are already living in
a Cyberpunk world and in some ways I simply cannot argue with that.
(Walking around LA and Las Vegas at night and walking along San
Diego beaches looking at the buildings and homes covering the hills
like viruses is a little strange...like deja vu...)
	Personally, I don't think that a CP world is coming, but
stranger things have happened in our past, I suppose.  (My own
"future world" feels considerably darker to me than any CP world
I've read about.  It's not really cyberpunk, but it makes the
Gibsonian universe look like a romp in the park...)

>--
>Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
>mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
>---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
>aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
>---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
>Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
From: Tony.Salter@f554.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Tony Salter)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: mondo 2000 #7 and tec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:35:00 +1000

The address for Mondo 2000 is....PO box 10171
                                 Berkeley,California 97409
The cost is $26 Locally,$50 international....well worth it.If you're
on the internet you can connect to The Well conf system where Mondo 2000 have
their own conference.You can also E-mail 2600 at The Well.
Any ifo on how I could access internet from home would be welcome!
bye
 * Origin: The Back Room - Vic. Aust - +61-3-741-0838 (3:635/554) (3:635/554)
From: 00vmszopa@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:58:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.151711.7557@wri.com>, sherlock@howland.wri.com (Tom Sherlock) writes:
> I keep hearing about the script for the proposed neuromancer movie that is
> floating around hollywood.  How does one get a hold of such a script?
> 
> --
> 
> Tom Sherlock
> PC Software Development
> Wolfram Research, Inc.
> sherlock@wri.com
-- 
One doesn't.

Depending on the status of production, and who owns it, the only way
to get a copy is if someone in the know gives it to you or it is stolen.

A copy of of an early draft of _JFK_ was leaked (stolen) in this way to
an assassination researcher.  The script is considered the property of the
author until published and its distribution thereby privileged, so no 
go unless you have a source.

Once a movie comes out, scripts are usually available at Script City,
a Los Angeles mail-order firm.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: doom@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:10:35


wendell was saying: 

   Cyberpunk, however, is the SWIFT introduction of NUMEROUS
   new ideas.  I feel it should have a fast, if not
   breakneck, style.  Apparently Sterling agrees, since
   _Mirrorshades_, which he edited, includes this quote by
   Michael Swanwick: "These are all hot young verbal pilots
   who think nothing of taking forty-thousand tons of
   screaming heavy metal prose and throwing it straight at
   the ground in a forced power dive shedding sparks and
   literary chaos only to pull up at the last possible
   instant shy of total grammatical implosion just to see
   the horrified looks on the pale upturned faces of the
   civilians as the afterburners cut in."  Does this
   describe _Islands in the Net_ or_The Difference Engine_?
   Even omitting TDE, which isn't properly CP, IITN is a
   languid, thorough exploration of a future world.  It's a
   747 cruising slowly at 30,000 feet with champagne and
   caviar.  New ideas are lovingly introduced, with careful
   background material, rather than being slung out like you
   should naturally understand them as Gibson and Williams
   present them.  Characters are fully developed and
   explained, rather than just BEING.  That's why I don't
   think Sterling is a good CP writer; he's too slow and
   detailed, i.e. "sleepy."

Amazing how close to right someone can be and still be wrong.
The problem is that _Islands in the Net_ was written sometime
after Sterling and company declared that cyberpunk was dead.
You're complaining about him not doing something he wasn't trying
to do.

Try reading the stories in _The Crystal Express_, or the novel
_Schismatrix_ if you want to see some of Sterling's straight
"cyberpunk" work.  

Personally, I think the problem most people have with Sterling is
a little more subtle than all this, though.  Most people come to
science fiction expecting some kind of romantic, reassuring
fiction, and Sterling's work is just too unsettling for them.  


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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (mr. tripppp)
Subject: Post-cascades (was Re: U2)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 02:46:18 GMT

In article <Bvu1qu.AJ9@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>
kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes: 
|In article <1992Oct7.213335.638@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
|jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes: 
||> In article <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu
||>(George M. Gruschow) writes: 
||> >
||> >Call yourself a true magician eh? Answer me this:
||> >	Have you ever logged on the Internet,
||> >	From your calculator?? 
||>
||> Yeah, but have you ever chatted with a guy in Brazil from the
||> midwest on your calculator via radio?  ;) 
|
|A calculator? Easy. But just try it from an abacus.
|Or, if you prefer analog, a slide rule. (you do own a slide rule, don't you?)

You poseurs.  I'm writing this message from the collection of little
sticks I keep inside my cave, near my fire.

PS- Grog says 'ugh'.

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From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: The Graphic Novel
Keywords: there aren't any more
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:05:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: IR/PS at UC San Diego
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In article <7797@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> sehst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (Sean Horner)
writes:
>I have the first volume of "Neuromancer: The Graphic Novel."
>
>Can somebody tell me how I can get the other volumes--if they exist.
>
>====================================================================
>"I'd pull the plug on everyone.           Skitz
>   Elimininate this race."                sehst3@vms.cis.pitt.edu
>
Sorry.  They don't exist.  The first one was the only one ever printed.
However, i did see some pages from the second one at the SD comic-con,
but these apparently were never released.  I don't know what the story 
is, but i would imagine that it had to do with low sales of the graphic
novel coupled with whatever William Gibson was paid in order to secure
the adaptation rights.  They probably didn't make enough money to justify
continuing the series.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:4803 alt.postmodern:2509
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:22:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au writes:
> A cyberpunk revolution ain't gonna happen in the real world is what I'm
> saying.


Either that or it's already happened.

Max Headroom didn't start out with "20 minutes into the future" for nothing,
folks.



--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Review: Hacker Crackdown
Date: 17 Oct 1992 03:54:13 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Andy Micone (andym@crash.cts.com) wrote:
: 
(information hoarding copyright deleted)
: 
: It's very compelling to
: look at "The Net" as some brave new frontier, but  Sterling tends to
: stretch the credibility of the notion to the breaking point.
: For  example, he goes as far as to describe our nation's old
: telegraph wires as "Primitive  Cyberspace." 

There's an article in the 15 Oct 1992 "Telecom Digest", a review of Gabler's
book on the American Telegrapher in the late 1800's, that makes a convincing
argument that telegraph operators were working in some kind of cyberspace.

--Ed

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd)
Subject: Re: Agrippa News
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.070803.10575@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
|
|	Gibson says that "Agrippa" hasn't been cracked yet because it hasn't
|been *released*.  Sometime soon, I didn't get the date, there's apparently 
|to be a party at The Kitchen, a performance art place in New York City,
|where "Agrippa" will be read off a huge scrolling screen by Penn Jillette,
|who will not have seen the text before.

No, no, no...I thought he said it was going to be read by Teller!  :)

At any rate, why the hell have it read by Penn....Sarcasm personified,
he'll probably make 8 million jokes as he reads it, whether relavant
or irrelevant.  Hmm, for some reason :), that aspect of this scenario
sounds completely bogus to me....

|	Disclaimer:  this is unauthenticated oral history--Gibson wasn't
|reading from notes, and I wasn't taking any.

Hope it stays unauthenticated...Tell Gibson to have it "read" by a
Macintosh...That's cooler :)..... 

|-- 
|				Tom Maddox
|		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
|		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."

But, I'm a vegetarian.

|				Alex Alexander

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: Physics Morgue, The University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:32:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.213335.638@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:
|> >...stuff...
|> >Call yourself a true magician eh? Answer me this:
|> >	Have you ever logged on the Internet,
|> >	From your calculator?? 
|> Yeah, but have you ever chatted with a guy in Brazil from the midwest on your calculator via radio?  ;)

A calculator? Easy. But just try it from an abacus.
Or, if you prefer analog, a slide rule. (you do own a slide rule, don't you?)
-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:39:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) says:


>see a pshrink.
	Thank you for that psuedo-obscure Asimov reference.
	Have a nice day. 
	;)

Kitten
-- 
Hi, there. Long time no handcuffs.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Judge Dredd
From: jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:20:47 GMT
Distribution: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: The Ohio State University

:

  Has anyone read the comic book "Judge Dredd" or "2000 ad"?  These British 
comic books deal with a futer "cyberpunk" type world, but I think that it is 
not totally based on the cyberpunk genre...It deals mostly with the law force, 
called judges in the futuristic "MegaCity-1" which is like New York, but the 
size of the whole East coast of the united states.  For anyone interested in 
cyberpunk, witha  little twist, this comic book is for you, althought the older
ones put out by Eagle comics are the best.....check 'em out.  Psi-police, 
cybergangs, robots, big guns, crime....EVERYTHING!  A really interesting 
setting.

-Josh
From: cfuentes@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Carlos A. Fuentes Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:17:39 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <Bw81FM.G63@umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>>Man, I couldn't disagree more.  All the microprocessor manufacturers are
>>optimistic about packing more and more transistors more and more densely
>>on a single die.  I think Intel's using a .85 micron technology for the 486,
>>and there next step is to .6 or so, then .35.  Witness DEC's new 150 Mzh
>>Alpha chip.  
>
>just in a brief note.. we can't get past the .85 micron scale. 
>a micron is a millionth of an inch, and so is an electron. 
[stuff deleted]

I guess the .8 micron i860 works by magic and DEC is gonna
be really bummed when electrons jam in the .75 micron Alpha :)
I can't remember who, but I'm sure I've heard of someone
(research) messing with .6 micron _circuits_.

[more stuff deleted]

>Also, the Alpha is a 64 bit through 100 mhz chip, and perhaps
>with cache and coprocessors it goes to 150, but it is a 100mhz
>clock speed chip. Also watch out for Intels P5, and keep an
>eye on the i80960. It will run at the speed of your 
>oscillating crystal, unlike the 80486, which runs at half
>your crystal and only goes 60mhz. The addressing and pin outs
>on the 80960 are supposed to be identical to those of 
>the 80486 plus the added ones ( i beleive it is 64 through,
>i'll have to look it up..) so that means that 386 and 486
>software will be upward compatible.

The i960 (or 80960, but never i80960) is NOT pin compatible
with the i486; the i486 has all sorts of cache control lines
that are not to be found on the i960
and the i960 has eight interrupt request lines, not the
single interrupt line and INTA cycle the i486 inherited
from the 8088/6.  The software compatibility is even worse.
The i960 is a fixed-instruction-width RISC processor while
the i486 is as bad a mish-mash of more-exception-than-rule
CISC processor design as you can get.  (Largely due to the
fact that it is backwards-compatible.)  i386 and i486 compatibility
is to be carried through the P5, P6, etc. line, and from what
I hear, there are exceptions to even that statement.

>Bret Kulakovich,
>ACSBK@UMASSD.EDU

-Carlos Fuentes
 cfuentes@eecs.umich.edu
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