From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Subject: Welcome to alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic!
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Reply-To: sean@freds.cojones.com
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:59:00 GMT

My apologies for taking a week to post this.  This site still refuses
to acknowledge the existence of this newsgroup, I've been busy, etc.
etc.

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic is an unmoderated newsgroup which was 
proposed to alt.config on 13 October.  After much fighting with a 
certain news admin, it was finally newgrouped on 12 November.  So here 
we are.

If you are reading this in another newsgroup and do not currently have
alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic in the active file at your site, please ask 
your news admin that this be done.  Oftentimes, this is a key factor
in determining the propagation of a newsgroup.  As well, the efforts
undertaken by the aforementioned certain news admin may have already
had effects on the propagation of this newsgroup, so your voice is
crucial in seeing that this newsgroup survives and thrives.

Now, onto the information about this newsgroup.  Rather than try to
write something up from scratch, I will simply include the texts from
the original proposal and the newgroup message.

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alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic (originally proposed April 1992)
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As originally proposed, this group would be for discussion of rock 'n
roll music that contains influences from classical and/or operatic
music.  Well, by and large, that concept has found a home in
alt.music.progressive.  If you recall the discussion, I proposed
a.r-n-r.s, didn't do anything about it for a while, then Scott McMahan
proposed a.m.r(sic), acknowledging that he didn't read my proposal, 
and because he had the time to deal with it and I didn't (yeah, I know
you're probably sick and tired of hearing this from me, but it's the
truth - let's face it, folks, Usenet is far from a full-time endeavor
for me and many of you are probably in like situations), his group went
through.  So, given that my idea is already serving it's purpose in
another group, I would like to propose an alternative purpose for this
group.  The new purpose of alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic would be strictly
to discuss the specific relationship between rock 'n roll music and
classical and/or operatic music.  This group would probably not generate
a high amount of traffic, but it would be my hope that regardless of the
level of traffic, it would be very high in the S/N ratio department.
From what I gather, a.m.p is dedicated to general discussion of the
artists involved in making this sort of music.  Perhaps Scott can inform
us if discussion such as I have proposed for this group has taken place
in a.m.r(sic) or if it is welcome in there.

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From: root@freds.cojones.com (Frederick J. Polsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: newgroup alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:48:25 GMT

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic is an unmoderated newsgroup which was proposed 
to alt.config on 27 April and 13 October of this year.  There were no 
substantial objections raised as to its creation on either occasion, so 
with that in mind, this newgroup is being issued for creation of the 
group.  For your newsgroups file:

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic       Discussing relationships of rock & classical music

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic is a newsgroup with the specific purpose of 
discussing the relationships that exist between rock 'n roll music and
classical and/or operatic music.  General discussion of the artists who
perform music with heavy classical and/or operatic influences should
continue to take place in alt.music.progressive.  Also, as a rule, 
cross-posting from that group should be highly discouraged unless the
traffic is actually relevant to both groups.  It is my hope that this 
group will be low-traffic, high-signal and specifically focused on the 
subject for which it was created.

This newgroup is being issued by the news admin here in the interest of
seeing propagation at those sites which only honor newgroups issued by
site admins.  However, queries for information should be directed to the
proposer of the group, Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.
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So hopefully, if you read the above, you should have the answer to the
question "How is this group any different from alt.music.progressive?" 
Please note that I did cross-post a copy of this proposal last month
to a.m.p in the hopes that someone from there (particularly Scott
McMahan) would comment on the usefulness of this newsgroup in relation 
to the existence of a.m.p.  Nope, didn't hear a thing.  In alt.*, no
objections = "well, there must be some validity to the proposal,
then."

Having said that, I would hope that this newsgroup will dedicate
itself to the topic upon which it was founded.  I know that many of
you feel "Hey, a home away from all the noise on <insert name of
favorite newsgroup here>!", but the fact of the matter is, if this
newsgroup becomes too much like another one (in particular, I'm
thinking of a.m.p here), then news admins will simply alias this
newsgroup to a.m.p and that will be the end of that.  Or, since alt.*
is entirely laissez-faire, some admins may even be tempted to alias
a.m.p to this newsgroup, hurting the propagation of a.m.p and possibly
both newsgroups.

You may think that this concept I have come up with is a bit esoteric,
but I can say that far more esoteric ideas have made their way onto
the net and have endured (alt.rap-gdead is probably the best example
of such that I can immediately think of).

So, in summary, stick to the topic spelled out above, and re-direct
most of what has been posted so far to a.m.p in order to ensure a
healthy future for this newsgroup.

Okay, now that I've gotten off of my soap box, I would like to state
that I am archiving this newsgroup, and will continue to do so until
it becomes too much of a burden on my time/resources/disk space/
whatever else.  However, don't expect me to become a regular
participant until I am able to get my own feed of the newsgroup.

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