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From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Subject: QY10 help
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:03:57 GMT


	On my vacation, I helped a friend in MT who is trying to set up a
band.  We got him a Pretty much brand new Yamaha QY10 for $80 at a pawn
shop and I tried to figure out the thing for him.   To put it nicely, the
manual is somewhat less than adequate.  It leaves you wondering about many
things.  One of those things is WHY on earth can't you re-use a pattern
slot for a different amount of measures once you have stored something to
that slot,... even though you have supposedly completely erased it!! 
Please, someone tell me that this is just an oversight in the earlier ROM
version!  Does anyone know the current version, and how you check for it?
For $80 , he got a great deal anyway for what he's doing.  It records, and
plays back patterns.  I wish it were a little easier to edit them, but for
a palmtop, not bad. 
	Oh, one other REALLY FUNNY thing.  I tried to assemble some
patterns into a song.  I selected a pattern, whose name was clearly
displayed, but when I played it in song mode, it sounded COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT!! Maybe it's really broken eh?    Bob
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From: pustule@cats.ucsc.edu (Thaddeus H. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Does anyone have a Peavey DPM3??!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 20:48:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Hi there.  I have a Peavey DPM3, and would like to make
some contacts with other people who are also using 
similar Peavey products.  Please e-mail me if you have
such hardware, or interests.  Thanks.

--
Thad
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From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: looking for an esq-1 <$500 if possible!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:20:36 GMT

if you can help me out in the future sometime, please let me know....

i want one of these BADLY!!

sines
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           body release (live techno), krushin invisible clothing and ...

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From: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Subject: Re: another net.brush.with.fame
Reply-To: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.181703.12550@netcom.com>, metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
|>[...]   i was surprised and pleased to see
|>in the credits for that short 
|>the name of occasional r.m.s poster alice lei
|>she of the broken shift key

and she's a master of return hitting
giving rhythm to her posts
so you read her and think hey it sounds good
and wish her posts had a soundtrack too
:-)

|> great soundtrack, alice. congratulations
|>on such a worthwhile project.
--
Furio Ercolessi
Materials Research Laboratory           |   Intl School for Advanced Studies
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   |   Trieste, Italy
furio@uiuc.edu                          |   furio@sissa.it
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf)
Subject: Re: JX-3P and JUNO 106 and JUNO 6/60 
Organization: Axis Communications AB, Lund Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.120839.10259@si.estec.nl> andrea@sihp03.estec.esa.nl  writes:
>|> I always found the JX3P to have a thin sound; very good for airy
>|> strings however. Opposing views?
>|> 
>
>Ditto .. I found the JUNO family much better when it comes to get fat sounds !

The question of *why* the JX-3P is so thin sounding is of course fully open ...
I think they use the same filter chip for instance, so ... ? (This technical
queries really bog me down. I can understand that a Moog filter sounds 
different from a Roland, but a Roland compared to in identical Roland?
... many sleepless nights... :-) ).

>
>Talking about hybrid  I just bought a JUNO 6 (not 60) that it looks to me like 
>a 60 in the synthesis part but without any digital control (no DCB no pathces 
>Memory facilities) .. 

I think the voice board is actually the same, save for some spare component
slots where the link to the DCB interface would go ... I remember seeing 
pictures of the Ju-6 innards. I'll have to check them together with
my Ju-60 to be really sure...

>Now the question is can I MIDI a JUNO 6 with a commercial kit suitable for 
>the JUNO60 or do they all work only with the JUNO60 ?? 
>I remember a company advertising in KEYBOARD a JUNO60 MIDI-kit that doesn't 
>use the DCB connector. 
>Any Help_info is welcome !!

I'd suggest a simple but perhaps obvious solution - check with the company
that produced the MIDI-kit. It's difficult to say what they require of
the Ju-60; it might very well work with a '6. But then again you can never
be sure...

/Ricard

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: DX and CZ
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

At the time , the CZ was the only cheap multitimbral 'module' around.
I know - I also used a DX7 and CZ101 for many years. The complemnted
each other quite well in most respects except for the MIDI implemetation.
Yamaha interpreted the MIDI spec differently in places but sold enough
DX7s that it was made the standard ! The worst was the parameter slider
on the DX7 which was Master Tune on the CZ - there you are tweaking
a DX patch, you save the edit and come out only to find ... the CZ
is completely out of tune ! AAArrrghhhh !!

Something to tell the grandkids 'I remember in the old days when MIDI
first came out ...' :-)
From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Aint it dead yet vocals.....
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:24:47 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

HEllo,
   Some one out there should know this.  Everyone else I have asked has said,
"Oh yeah it is one of those, um, give me a second....".  What the hell is the
vocal effects processor Ogre is using in Skinny Puppy's Aint it Dead yet?
Video\CD?  Is it possible to get a hold of one or of something that does
something similar.  I saw the Butthole Surfers awhile ago and the singer
(Gibbyy) was using what acted like the same thing but I could not really make
out any name or anything distinguishing.  This thing seems to grab the vocals
virtually instantaneously and loop\echo them at speeds varying from regular
echoing to lightining fast.  I know this is a pretty lame explanation, but I am
doing this from work and have to hurry.  I guess my best bet for an answer
while come from people that have seen the video...
Thanx,
Not GINGERIC9178 at all, but Rob Williams.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kemp@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (John Kemp)
Subject: Re: why the WS exists...? (was Re: why General MIDI is good for music)
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:21:01 GMT

>> This sums up why the sythn industry is dead.  People would rather play a 
>> sample playback unit than sample or synthesize their own sounds.
>I agree. I also think that most people seem happy to consider themselves
>making original noises by altering simple parameters on their samplers/

I disagree.

>
>IMHO its down to the more nebulous issue (explored in last month's
>Sound on Sound magazine) of what a musician's time is taken up with
>nowadays. Technology should be a release that enables more time to be
>spent on creative musical thought, however, it seems that more technology
>means that we spend more time managing it!
>

Now you're talking!  I think we have a severe user-interface 
problem here.  The people designing the hardware are burying 
the capability of their machines behind two-line 60 character
LED displays with 10-digit keypads!

Take the identical hardware, and put an intuitive graphical
interface on it, and you have something extremely powerful.
So I wouldn't put all the blame on the musicians.  The hardware
that gets handed to them is pretty daunting to begin with.

0.02c,
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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis ADAT rumor
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:02:54 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <6175@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> (rec.music.synth), ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
> In article <ft8n9aa.metlay@netcom.com> metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
> >
> >I am, however, waiting for the Tascam unit. I trust 8mm video technology
> >a LOT farther than VHS, having worked with both in critical applications
> >before.
> >
> 
> Whose law was that about if you can't go down to your local store and
> buy some piece of equipment and actually use it, it's vaporware.....?

I thought it was, that if you can't go into your existing studio and
create real music than your talents are vaporware. :-)

David
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Pandemonium Contest possibly a HOAX?
Keywords: CARNAGE RAPE PILLAGE DESTRUCTION
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:25:37 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

schickda@mot.com (David Schick) writes:

> Hello, all you happy nostrils!
>

[ Mind refreshing explanation to my banterings explained once again ]
[ putting my universe back into harmony without as much money...... ]

> Of course, there are the options along the way, which look like they'll be
> about $3 a shot, which adds up to $45 (5 phases * 3 contests * $3.00) more.
> My guess is that this is how they're paying for the gear, and that it's not
> any sort of tax write-off for them or whatever.

Ahh.. this is the one thing I do remember from the original info. That they
are exactly doing that. Paying for all the gear with the money they make.
What they make extra... hell, that goes to their gear, vacations, dinners,
plane rides, women, men, drugs, hippity hop balls, sock-em rock-em robot sets,
make up barbies, condoms, disks, 30 Wt oil for their car, their car.

<G>rrrr



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From: martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel)
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date:  5 Oct 92 11:46:20 GMT

dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McManara) writes:

>In article <718220794.880000.D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU> D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby) writes:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me what the difference is in sound quality between 8bit
>>and 16bit? I understand about sampling rate, and that if the rate is too low,
>>aliasing/clipping occurs. I've asked this question before and gotten no respon.
>>  

>The 8 bit/16 bit has to do with dynamic range. THe highest number in 8 bits
>is hex FF or decimal 255, so the dynamic range is 256 steps. The largest
>number in 16 bits is FF FF hex or decimal 4095, or 256 times the 8 bit
                                           ^^^^
decimal 65536, to be precise ->  256*256=65536

>dynamic range. So the louds can be louder.

16 bits corresponds to 96 dB dynamic range, while vinyl stays around 60-70 dB
(I think...).

Paulo

From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:11:32 GMT
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:

>A true understanding of digital sampling requires some rather difficult math.
>But I'll try and explain what is going on in layman's terms. 

This gets my vote for Most Bizarre r.m.s. Explanation Of The Year.

Randy, you should take the bull by the horns and write a FAQ file 
for this group.  You have one twisted mind!  "Nyquist eddies," I love it...

                       Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
                     Oh Hannu, this is most unbusinesslike. 

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mo@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: KS-32???
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: mo@bellcore.com
Organization: Center for Chaotic Repeatabilty
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 02:02:03 GMT

just played on the new ensoniq KS-32.  the store dude claims it
is an SQ-2 with a *very* nice fully weighted wood keyboard.
it feels fabulous and it has piano sounds which i actually like
better than my kurz (sniff).  one curiosity, though, is that
every so often it would make an odd pop or other random noise.
i couldn't decide whether this was noise coming in from the AC mains
because some of the spikes did seem to coincide with the salesdude
fiddling with other things around the area, but then again, some of
them didn't seem to, and i'm a bit concerned that there are a few
latent bugs.  i was listening though cans exclusively.

in general, the samples and effects both sound pretty cool.
there is one patch called "Sunday School" which sounds like
a cross between a B3 overdriving a Leslie and a reed pump organ.
really sweet'n'raunchy - makes you itch to play some gospel blues.
the Leslie-simulator triggers alternately on and off with a sharp shot of
aftertouch.  not too shaby.    the acoustic orchestrals are quite good
as well, including a really vivid Harmon muted trumpet.  and the
harpsichord patch uses key-up to generate the little "restoring the
plectrum" noise. nice touches, all.

in general, my kurz still hosts some of my very favorite patches, but the
factory ROM in the SK-32 speaks very well for the axe.  

so can anyone comment as to the familial relationship between the
SK-32 and the SQ-2, and comment on the SQ-2, for that matter?

	-Mike O'Dell
	 mo@bellcore.com

Bellcore??? Ha! Bellcore isn't allowed to have opinions.  Any found
lurking around here wandered in from somewhere else.
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Yeah, what you'd be looking for is a power inverter.  The cheap ones
take 12V, chop it into a square wave, and run it through a transformer
to give something resembling mains voltage.  Better ones use a better
waveform, but a true sine is *very* expensive.  I haven't tried this
for solid state electronics (last time I used battery power for
electronics in the field was a *long* time ago), but I'd use serious
supression and surge protection.  OTOH, you might want to look at a
cheap synth that runs off a wall-wart.  Getting 12-6VDC is pretty easy
in that case...

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young)
Subject: Anyone else have this D-5 problem ?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:29:07 GMT

I have a Roland D-5 which is presently in the shop, and the tech
seems puzzled by the symptoms: Have any other Roland users out there  
had trouble with a "buzzing" noise which appears during the decay of 
notes ?

The buzz is directly proportional to the decay time so, for example,
you can hear it more drawn-out on "Warm String Fade" than on "Touch
Piano".  It occurs in Performance Mode as well as Multitimbral Mode,
and appears in both the headphone and line outputs.  It is difficult
to describe in any greater depth than this, but if you've ever heard
it, you'll know exactly what I mean.

Any input on this phenomenon would be greatly valued.

Dick Young
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
Subject: Re: "Ethnic" sounds vs. Proteus 3
Originator: v035550@stcvax
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.  Louisville, CO
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:12:41 GMT

>
>  nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>
>|> Sure. That's why I have nothing against the Proteus3 as a
>|> (potentially) interesting instrument in its own right. What I have a
>|> problem with is the "we need a didgeridoo and some Tibetan chanting...
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>|> no problem, the Proteus3 has them." attitude that the original message
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>What's wrong with that?  Why do you object to this "attitude" so
>vehemently?  Surely you aren't going to say, "because it doesn't
>sound like the real thing..."  or, "...because the original instrument
>is much more expressive than can be captured in a sampler..."  That
>would be...ridiculuous:  Samplers can't even capture a PIANO well...
>Why worry now?
>
>sjm
>
A while back I wrote this response.  Since that time, I have been 
corrected.  Yes, Brad, you're right: Samplers can indeed capture
a piano sound with AT LEAST 90% accuracy.  Not to mention that 
(as you said) compared to a cow mooing, the accuracy is increased
to maybe 98-99%.  I stand corrected, and post a full retraction.

sjm
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:15709 comp.music:4582
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: JD800 Cards?
Keywords: card sample JD800
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:55:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc12

In article <BvCKqt.BE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K. Train) writes:
>
> I know there are cards for this (JD800) unit. The rear selection of ports

I think the JD800 can read the SN-110-?? series of cards and have mailed
Simon the latest copy (which hasn't changed in a long time - hint hint;
anybody want to send me some reviews?).

Just to remind Roland U110/U20/MV30/D70/Rhodes 600(?)/Who knows what else
that a list of reviews for these cards still exists and is mailed to 
people on request.

Cheers,

Ross-c
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From: mbl@media.mit.edu (Marc LoCascio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: Question:  Powerbooks and MIDI
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:40:20 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <2p+p7vc.metlay@netcom.com> metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
>
>Not surprising. No one knows what they're talking about, in 
>most cases, and are recycling rumors. Would you accept the
>evidence of someone who's used the machines in question in a
>studio for two weeks of hard sequencing?
>
>... The 100 works like a dream, all the time, flawlessly, period.

well, just to further confuse matters, last night on PAN Doug Wyatt (OMS
author, Opcode programming wizard, and guru of this whole Powerbook/MIDI
thing) said that Opcode *does not* support the PB100 for their MIDI 
applications.  he said that the 100 can lose data during bulk dumps, have
timing glitches, and generally not keep up.  we've used one here at MotU
to test Performer, Mosaic, etc and have had no problems.  we really haven't
torture tested it, though.

Marc LoCascio	(mbl@media-lab.media.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.laptops
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Re: Question:  Powerbooks and MIDI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:41:47 GMT
Organization: Atomic City
Summary: The Straight Dope

In article <19te91INN459@pollux.usc.edu> gino@pollux.usc.edu (Gino Cheng) writes:

>HELP!!!!  I've just been to 3 different places and have 
>heard three different stories on MIDI and the powerbooks.  

Not surprising. No one knows what they're talking about, in 
most cases, and are recycling rumors. Would you accept the
evidence of someone who's used the machines in question in a
studio for two weeks of hard sequencing?

>I seem to remember reading on the net that the PB100 
>will do all MIDI applications without any problems, while 
>the 140/170 won't (due to power managment)...

This WAS correct, but is now not quite correct any more. The
beta version of OMS 1.2 restores MIDI functionality to the
140/170 *if* you use software that runs under OMS. Nick Rothwell
is torture-testing it on his 140 right now, and will probably
post his results at some point soon. The 100 works like a dream,
all the time, flawlessly, period. The only pieces of software
we couldn't get to run on it were the OLD versions of the MTP DA
and Alchemy. No data on the newer ones, at least not from me.

>At Goodmans Music, they claim that the 140/170 will do MIDI 
>with a special driver while the 100 won't.

They're completely fucked in the head and wrong, as usual.

>At a computer store in Santa Monica, a producer (did the Little 
>Mermaid soundtrack) who was writing an article for EM on the 
>powerbooks and MIDI claimed that all three machines had 
>problems with MIDI, the 100 even moreso....  though there are
>drivers for the 140/170 which will allow MIDI...

This guy's co-author was on the phone to me as recently as two
weeks ago, getting his facts straight for the article. I warned
him that the three-month time lag in going to press was going
to screw him in this case-- he responded, truthfully, that his
hands were tied. But we gave him as much data as we could, and
Nick and I are both putting our email addresses in the article
so as to handle people's questions directly.

>So what gives?  Anyone out there with a definitive answer?

I just gave it.

>Anyone use any of the packages on the Powerbook 100 (MIDI input and
>output)?
>
>Galaxy?  Vision?  Performer?

I'm running Galaxy and Vision, and Nick is running Performer. They
all work flawlessly. Period.

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