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From: N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Subject: Training a protection dog
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:11:37 GMT

First, some distinctions, then, a question.
 
One well-know writer on home security and self-protection
makes the following four-fold distinction:
WATCHDOGS ...[are] mobile, four-footed burglar alarm[s].
[They] bark insistently and steadily when an entry is attempted,
and ... [go] to the entry point to pinpoint it for you as it yaps.
PROTECTION DOGS are animals with advanced obedience
training.  On your command, they will bark and lunge at an
aggressor, snapping at him without actually biting him.  Also
upon your command, they will immediately sit or lie and fall
silent. Their training is oriented strictly toward a deterrent show of
force; if your attacker persists, the animal will have to fall back on
its natural protective instinct and bite him.  A properly trained
protection dog will also perform all the functions of a watchdog.
ATTACK DOGS have been trained to sink their teeth into people
on their master's command, or when they observe their master
under assault.  Once resistance from the suspect ceases, a true
attack dog will let go of him.  It will do the same on command, no
matter how excitement-charged the atmosphere, if it has been
properly trained and selected. Normally, the dog will only bite if
given the proper command, or if the animal sees its owner or a
family member under attack.
The attack dog is at the maximum level of obedience training.
After the master has ordered it to put a suspect on point, the dog
can be called back, and even ordered to "make friends."  It feels
no personal animosity toward the person it is ordered to attack; it
is a canine technician, doing a job on the orders of its human boss.
GUARD DOGS represent the deadliest level of canine training.
These animals either walk with a sentry, or patrol alone in an
enclosed space. Their function is to apprehend and neutralize any
human intruder. They do not stop biting when the suspect stops
resisting; they stop only when the human stops MOVING. They
are likely to be trained to go for the throat or genitals. Guard dogs
are trained to kill and maim.  A guard dog is so vicious that it will
usually obey only a single handler. ... The only legitimate use of a
guard dog is in wartime, or when guarding an area so sensitive
that human intrusion could result in awesome public danger, such
as a nuclear weapons facility.
(from Massad F. Ayoob, _The Truth about Self-Protection_, pp
95-96.)
 
My question:  What kinds of methods would need to be used to train a
dog as a PROTECTION DOG, as characterized above?  And are there some
breeds that it'd be infeasible to train in this way? References to
books, articles and/or tapes would be welcome.
Thanks.
 
David Austin, NCSU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: massey@odin.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey)
Subject: Re: HELP- Dog barks when I'm gone
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:03:12 GMT

Have you tried crating her in a fiberglass type of crate???

How about the barker breaker items that are in DOG FANCY that
you attach to a wall and when the dog barks it gives an
irritating sound only the dog hears...It covers up to 2000'
and costs between $79.95 and $99.95 depending on which 
type you buy.  It says it is guaranteed.

Dana
From: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog Door Size?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:11:07 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)



  My wife and I are about to purchase a dog door for the use of our
two Sheltie puppies.  However, we are considering adding a Belgian
Sheepdog or a German Shepherd Dog to our pack in a year or two.  We
want to install a door which could accomodate those larger dogs.

  Belgian Sheepdog and GSD owners --- do any of you have dog doors for
your dogs?  If so, what flap size is adequate for these breeds?


Thanks,

Bill Chiarchiaro
wjc@ll.mit.edu
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Subject: Re: WANT TO BUY BLUE GREAT DANE OR DOBERMAN
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:09:10 GMT
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In article <30JUL199212581433@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
(AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY) writes:

> Can I ask why you would want to breed blue dobermans?  Here in the US, they have
> incredible skin problems and are not showable!!
i just checked the akc standard. blue dobies *are* showable.
--
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Advice on Starting a Dog Cemetery
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:01:26 GMT

In article <l6lrmcINNq0j@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>1. Does anyone have advice on how to do this? Perhaps a
>franchise, zoning advice, costs, etc..
>
she should contact one.  a VERY reliable one down here in so. calif. is 
s.o.p.h.i.e. in calabasas.  i believe i can find you the address and phone if
you e mail me direct it will trigger me.

>2. What would you like to see in a pet cemetery?
>
one that DOES NOT get dug up for freeway construction like pet haven did in
carson, also here in so. calif.  there were all sorts of people coming out 
in droves when they found out that some of their beloved pets were unearthed.
these people also included some from the entertainment industry.

i also had a nightmare of an experience with them at the passing of my cat
bunny (i am from rec.pet.cats and lurking) which resulted in me almost scaling
their fences to retrieve him back.  subsequently he was released back to me
and i took him out to sophie for cremation.

i believe that sophie is land that will ALWAYS be ONLY used for a pet cemetary,
this is important that at some point in time the land is sold and used for 
something else. not a warm fuzzy to think your pet will wind up under a freeway
construction site :-(

krissie
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: World's most unlikely dog toy
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:24:36 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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Of all the things Archer, our Doberman, has surrepititiously taken
and/or gnawed in his life, the weirdest has just shown up.  He wants
the empty chili can in which I am soaking paintbrushes... in
mineral spirits.  He's taken it twice now.  Doesn't show any interest
in the brushes; just takes the can up on the patio, presumably in
(yeccch!) his mouth, and bangs it around.  Somewhere along the way
the mineral spirits pour out -- presumably not into the dog in any
great amount, since he seems to be in normal health.

Yeah, yeah, I know -- shouldn't have left it where he could get at it.
But who'd have thought an animal with such a sensitive nose would 
even get near the thing, much less play with it?  Maybe his ancestors 
were from New Jersey and he suffers from petrochemical deficiencies.

Joe  "Putting the can on top of the tool shed now" Chew
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Hogan graduates from the almighty Puppy Kindergarten in a couple of weeks and
he needs to learn a neat trick to show the class.  I would like to train him to
do something other than the roll-over or play dead tricks.  Does anyone have
any cool tricks their dogs do?

Someone once mentioned that they trained their dog to literally shake all over 
at the command "shake."  They did this by blowing in the dogs ear and giving the
command "shake."  I have tried this with Hogan and he just acts annoyed.  No
shaking just annoyed.  I thought that it was a cool trick when I heard about it
but haven't been able to pull it off.

Thanks
Randy

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Need HELP IMMEDIATELY!
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:24:39 GMT

Hi,
  I've been reading Rec.Pets.Dogs for a few months now, and
I have a question for you.

  My parents have a 17 year old Keeshond and Collie mix,
who's hind quarters are failing.  The vet on Long Island has been
having my mom come in weekly with Theo (The dog) for Steroid Shot's!

  I was talking to my mom the other day, she's in Canada for the summer with
my dad and Theo.  He came from Canada originally.  The Vet up there
has propsed using the Steroid that Ben Johnson used, they used it on Theo last
summer and it seemed to work.

  My question is what OTHER alternatives are there??  IMHO I think that
the Steroids are helping to weaken the hindquarters rather then strenghten
them.

  If ANYONE has ANY suggestions that would possibly help the dog to
live a little longer (And maybe die without having to put him to sleep)
it would be appreciated.

  I'll probably talk to my mom this weekend (7-25) so if you have
any suggestions that you can get to me before then I'd appreciate
it, if not I do tend to talk or write to them often so keep on
sending the info!


Thanks
Jay  (Concerned about a dog she cares about very much)
From: mahadeva@ROSARITA.UCDAVIS.EDU (Vim Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: can
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:42:17 GMT

Hi,

I would like to hear from any dog owners whose animal had/had
cancer of the heart, more specifically, a mesothelima of the
pericardium.  My dog which is a 13 year old german shepherd cross
is a highly unusual case.  Two years ago the dog was diagnosed as
having cancer of the heart and probably of the lungs, liver,
etc.  They said that it was mestatisized and he probably would
not last the night; they even asked if we we rather have him
put to sleep so he didn't have to die at home!!!  

The diagnosis was wrong but it was found that he had small lump
on the pericardium, the sac surrounding the heart.  The perica-
rdium was filling with blood and the blood was putting pressure
on his heart causing problems.  So they stuck a needle in and
drained the fluid and he was fine.  8 months later the symptoms
developed and again the fluid was drained.  This occured about five
more times over the last two years at shorter and shorter inter-
vals.  Finally last week we had them do a pericardectomy which
is when they go in and take out the sac so that the fluid could
just bleed and not put pressure on his heart.  Well he is 
recovering very well but now they say that from the pathologist's
biopsy report he has this mesothelmia.  They sent an oncologist
to me and she said that we should start chemotherapy next week!!
The cardiologist who has been seeing the dog for the last two
years and our family decided against it and we are just going 
to see what happens.  They say that since the pericardium has 
been removed the cancer cells can leave the heart and settle on 
the other organs and that will  lead to his death within 6 months.  
So if anyone out there has any remotely similar experiences with
their dog, I would like to hear from you.

Surgery and care of the dog has been through the UC Davis
Vetinarian School which is supposed to be the best in the
country.

Vim
report
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: sighthound questions: luring and fences
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Jul27.134436.11192@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson) writes:
>
>We are just starting to trial the Freedom Fence
>(aka Invisible Fence) with Ginger.  Does anyone
>have any experience with sighthounds to know if this
>is going to work?  The local distributor has not done
>a Basenji before.  Also, the collar has a 1 second
>buzz before the correction.  Should we request
>a collar without the delay?  Right now, it hard to
>tell if the 1 second delay is sufficient to keep her 
>from going over the line if she's chasing a rabbit.
>
Carol, although I admit I know nothing about sighthounds except what I've
read, IMHO no "invisible" fence is going to keep a Basenji from chasing a
rabbit, mo matter what the delay, the zap intensity, etc. I think you are
doomed before you start. Lure coursing would probably make the situation
"worse, except how much worse can a non-functioning fence be?
Anyway, invisible fences DO NOT "work" (ie. do not ALWAYS keep a dog confined
as advertised), in my experience. And I am a Smothers Brothers fan, too.
***********************************************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Saturday, 25 Jul 1992 11:01:16 EDT
From: ari solomon <ASOLOMO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stop dog from making a lunge
Distribution: usa


In article <=zhmb2h.sss@netcom.com>, sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
says:      [Advises J. Womack to get a prong collar to correct lunging]

   Ummm...that sounds too severe for the described problem. Julie's
   dog hasn't had an opportunity to respond to consistent correction with a
   check collar; why rush straight to a prong collar?
       In addition to the doubtful humanity of prongs on a non-dangerous
   dog, it doesn't make sense from a training point of view: Which are you
   likely to have on the dog more regularly: The prongs, or a simple check
   collar? "Once in a while my owner puts those nasty pokers on my neck, and
   I'm not allowed to lunge until she takes them off." Quoth the pooch.

                                         ASOLOMO@AUVM
>SHE WILL STOP IF YOU MAKE HER.  DO NOT HOLD TIGHT ON THE LEASH, AND DO
>NOT ISSUE ANY COMMAND.
>
>Get a pinch collar.  Hold the leash loosely at all times, otherwise
>your dog will pull against it constantly and think that that's okay.
>
>If the doggie lunges while wearing the pronged collar, she'll get an
>automatic correction when she reaches the end of the leash.  That should
>cure her...
>
>--
>Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
>sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116
>
>The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: UPDATE #2: GSD with hip dysplasia -- Post-surgical update
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Jul23.174600.7060
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <BruG4H.AK7@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>Well, MacGyver had hip removal surgery on his first hip Monday.
>The surgery went very well, and my regular vet assisted the
>surgical specialist just so he could observe the procedure.
>Normally, the dog would stay at the animal hospital for a day
>or two, but MacGyver was being the Painmeister that he is, so
>we got to go pick him up the same day as the surgery ;-) !
>He was flying high on the morphine given him, but the specialist
>told us, "Bless his heart... he's already trying to walk on his
>operated leg."  
>
I'm glad McGyver went through his surgery so well.  Give him a treat
for me when he feels like one!  I'm sure it was a terrible ordeal for
the whole family.  

(Any interesting news from the Buffalo training camp?)

schalene
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 09:37:52 EDT
From: ari solomon <ASOLOMO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Concerns about poisoning by neighbor

      We're growing increasingly alarmed by the hostile and irrational behavior
      of a neighbor, and are especially concerned for our 1-year-old pup.
         Has anyone used a succesful, fast, and humane method for food-proofing
      a gentle dog? All the methods I've read about involve disapproving of the
      dog for taking food from a stranger. Are there any methods that use a
      mildly noxious additive to the food? Or is that unwise, because it could
      lead to a generalized aversion to food?  I ask because the most likely
      scenario is meat tossed over the fence -- not handed to the pup by
      anyone. I'd like her to think that "found food is bad food", even when
      I'm not standing by. I also don't want to punish this timid pooch more
      than I have to.  I remember my grandfather put ipecac in his drunken
      Captain's booze supply in WWII; it solved the alcoholism for the dura-
      tion. Can't something similar be accomplished with dogs?
           No flames for my ignorance in this area, please -- just experienced
      advice.   Thanks.

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From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Cool Dog Tricks Needed
Keywords: dog tricks
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:26:54 GMT

In article <Bs0DGD.Eo@acsu.buffalo.edu> kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes:
>In article <54r402wR1bml01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>>If the Stroh`s dog was a GSD, then I am a bichon frise.  Of course, now
>>I_can't remember the breed , but it was more like a retriever than a GSD.
>>bws
>>--
>
>Well, send us a picture and we'll tell you if you look like one.  :)  It *was*
>a GSD.

You're about to be out-voted, I suspect :-).  So far I've seen 2 votes
for golden retriever type to your one GSD vote.  I'm making it 3
against one.  Oh noooo, is this another flame war????????  :-).

BTW, my husband never can remember how to pronounce bichon frise.
They're now those little "bitchin' frizzy" dogs to us (no offense to
owners of this wonderful breed :-).

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
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From: babcock@cc.gatech.edu (Jim Babcock)
Subject: Re: Soft Coated Wheaton Terriers
Organization: College of Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:07:29 GMT


 
We have owned a SCWT for about 9 years. I too have allergic reactions to
ALL cats and some dogs.  But NOT to the SCWT!. They do not shed, don't carry 
a "doggy odor" around and are excellent as house dogs... My wife and I like
terriersas a breed anyhow  so
our Wheaten was a good choice. The breed is *bright*, energetic (a lot, some
times!), and very loyal to the owners (all good terrier traits). Additionally,
SCWT are VERY sensitive to human moods... They are used in situations
for special children, in sr. health care homes, etc., since they seem
to be able to "sense" a human's need for comforting. In these venues they
are a calming effect on humans with problems. Finally you will find the
SCWT a VERY protective watchdog over his (your) domain-domicile... They are
known for their tenacity in a dog fight... sometimes fighting to the 
death if necessary. IF you have a SCWT that you train to be a house animal,
you probably can dispense with the cost of a security system.... :)

BUT...  (yes there is a "but".. :)   Being a single-coated animal
SCWTs require a LOT of grooming. Our "Stetson" gets combed out AND brushed
EVERY day in order to eliminate the matting that SCWT are prone to. Also,
SCWTs are prone to some skin problems due to a sensitive skin. 

I am a strong advocate of the SCWT as an all-around excellent pet... a 
cheerful, fun-loving, great with kids, animal and a joy to own...

Good Luck with your search... There is a SCWT association... I dont have the
particularsat the office, but if interested contact me via e-mail...

Cheers, Jim B     

-- 
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801 Atlantic Drive, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332-0280
Phone 404 894 9106,  Fax 404 853 9378,  EMail babcock@cc.gatech.edu

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From: ppk@East.Sun.COM (Pravin Kumar - Sun BOS Software)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ne.forsale
Subject: Dalmation for adoption
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:06:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: ppk@rtfm.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.east.sun.com

There's a 1 year old male Dalmation for adoption to a good home. He is
pedigreed (has papers), neutered, has all his shots. He has also been
checked by a vet.

I haven't met him, but folks say that he is gentle and has a great
disposition. His previous owners were an elderly couple and couldn't
take care of him.

If you are interested, call Priscilla at 617 232 5444. The dog is
currently in Brookline.

Dalmations are energetic dogs, and need exercise. So, unless you are
sure you have the time and the energy, please don't bother. They are
great running companions, by the way.

Thanks.

---
Pravin Kumar
Email:	ppk@East.Sun.Com or ...{uunet,decwrl}!sun.com!ppk

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From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:44:59 GMT


In article <16831C977.N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.eduwrites:
>
>Would dogs scare you away? (p 105)
>  65% said that dogs of good size and unfriendly persuasion would
>      scare them away;


Actually I found the ultimate in doggy crime deterent. About 6 months
ago I went target shooting at a local range.  I came home and decided
that I should clean my .22 revolver before locking it in the safe. I
always keep all firearms lock up in a safe when they are not in use. I 
laid it on the bed while I went to get the cleaning kit from the closet.
(BTW: I was home alone. We don't have any kids & the gun WAS unloaded
and in a nylon holster).

I came out of the closet with the kit, and the gun was gone. Talk
about a strange feeling. I walked into the family room, and there
sitting by the sliding door was our Springer Spaniel mix, Peanut,
with the holstered gun in her mouth. Out Lab/Chow mix Katie was 
sitting next to her.  My first thought was: "Wouldn't this be a 
great time for a burgler or prowler to peek through the window". 
I could imagine it now.  "I tell you Bugsy, them dogs were armed. 
I'm getting out of this business. It's getting tooo dangerous when
even the dogs have guns"

The strange part is that Peanut is normally terrified of handguns.
We adoped her when she was 1 year old, and she was an abused dog.
I suspect that she may have been also tormented by kids with cap/squirt
guns when she was younger.  Perhaps she was trying to "hide" the
gun so that it couldn't be used to torment her. Needless to say,
we now make sure that the guns are dog proofed. Or is that: the
dogs are gun proofed? I have read on rec.guns about a guy who had
his GLOCK, (a gun with a plastic frame), chewed up by his dog.

It does bring up a saftey issue however. If you do keep a loaded
gun, or even an unloaded one around the house, don't leave it
where the dog can get to it, OR WHERE ANYONE ELSE SUCH AS KIDS
OR VISITORS CAN ACCESS IT!

Not having any kids may allow for more flexibility in gun storage,
but it is feasible that a dog could cause a gun to fire by 
"playing" with it. It wouldn't be easy to do, but it's not
impossible to imagine a dog pawing at the gun and depressing
the trigger. Esp on some semi-autos without safties. Best case
you end up with a chewed up gun and your out lots of $$$$. Worst
case you end up with a dead dog, or a dead person who just happened
to be walking past your house at the wrong moment.

Be a responsible owner, both with dogs, and firearms. . . .

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
                                NRA, ILA, CFC

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