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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: LATE NHL RESULTS FROM SATURDAY
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:36:23 GMT



LATE NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 8 NOVEMBER 1992:

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Buffalo Sabres (6-6-2)       0   2   0   -   2
Los Angeles Kings (9-4-1)    1   2   2   -   5

First period--  1, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 7 (Kurri,Huddy), 1:23.

Second period--  2, Buffalo, Andreychuk 10 (LaFontaine,Hawerchuk), 1:47 (pp).
  3, Buffalo, LaFontaine 11 (G.Donnelly,Wood), 2:20.  4, Los Angeles,
  M.Donnelly 3 (Granato), 3:41.  5, Los Angeles, Robitaille 12 (Kurri,
  Sandstrom), 12:05 (pp).

Third period--  6, Los Angeles, McSorley 6 (Taylor,Huddy), 13:29 (sh).  7,
  Los Angeles, Sandstrom 8 (Kurri,Robitaille), 18:34 (pp).

Shots on goal-- Buffalo 8-10-9--27.  Los Angeles 16-22-7--45.  Power-play
  opportunities-- Buffalo 1 of 7; Los Angeles 2 of 9.  Goalies-- Buffalo,
  Draper, 0-2-0 (45 shots-40 saves).  Los Angeles, Hrudey, 6-4-0 (27-25).
  A--16,005.

Referee-- Paul Devorski.  Linesmen-- Kevin Collins, Mark Wheler.

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New Jersey Devils (8-6-0)    3   1   2   -   6
San Jose Sharks (3-10-1)     1   0   0   -   1

First period--  1, New Jersey, Fetisov 1 (Lemieux,Ciger), 6:23.  2, San Jose,
  Falloon 4 (Lawton), 8:54.  3, New Jersey, Stastny 1 (Lemieux,Niedermayer),
  12:12 (pp).  4, New Jersey, Richer 4 (Zelepukin,Semak), 18:22.

Second period--  5, New Jersey, Niedermayer 1 (Driver), 12:21 (pp).

Third period--  6, New Jersey, Stastny 2 (Ciger), 6:59.  7, New Jersey,
  Kasatonov 1, 16:31.

Shots on goal-- New Jersey 14-12-19--45.  San Jose 12-15-8--35.  Power-play
  opportunities-- New Jersey 2 of 5; San Jose 0 of 3.  Goalies-- New Jersey,
  Billington, 4-2-0 (35 shots-34 saves).  San Jose, Hayward, 2-6-1 (45-39).
  A--11,089

Referee-- Mike McGeough.  Linesmen-- Ryan Bozak, Jay Sharrers.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Subject: Re: Joe Juneau
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:08:53 GMT

In answering the question of Joe Juneau's status on the American Dream Team,
Joe Juneau did not play for the American Olympic team he played for the
Canadian Olympic team.  I believe he was born in Quebec, but attended
University in the U.S. and that is where your confusion may lie.

GO ISLES,

Len Hunt.................................hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: downec@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey)
Subject: Re: Ruzicka Question
Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:27:30 GMT

In article <BxInF2.tE@mach1.wlu.ca>, hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
|> Can anyone enlighten me upon Vladimir Ruzicka's career.  I think he was
|> traded directly from Edmonton to Boston for Greg Hawgood??.  However, my
|> friend insists that he made a stop in Pittspurgh before going to the Bruins.
|> Does anyone know the correct route he took to Boston from Edmonton, and the
|> player(s) involved in the deal. 

Ruzicka straight up for Hawgoog.

What a steal, until he choked in the playoffs
last year.

CSD
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: Re: WHERE TO GET NHL STATISTICS
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:47:55 GMT


by the way, you have to use the finger command.

although I thought it was self explanatory, evidently people didn't
realize that you don't need to ftp in order to read a plan..

issue this command:	finger mmilitzo@hal.skidmore.edu

good luck!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri "Droopy" Farenell)
Subject: AHL standings/scores
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:32:37 GMT

AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS AS OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11 (morning)

NORTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Springfield		7-4-3	17	59	58
Adirondack		8-8	16	60	61
Capital District	6-5-2	14	51	50
Providence		5-10	10	77	81
New haven		2-8-3	7	46	64

SOUTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Binghamton		10-2-3	23	76	55
Rochester		7-5	14	65	54
Baltimore		5-6-3	13	58	62
Herhsey			4-8-3	11	56	65
Utica			4-7-2	10	49	63
Hamilton		2-9-1	5	40	61

ATLANTIC DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Cape Breton		10-3-1	21	77	62
St John's		9-5	18	69	55
Fredericton		7-3-3	17	57	42
Moncton			5-7-5	15	57	62
Halifax			6-7-1	13	49	51

TUESDAY'S GAMES
Springfield 8	Capital Distrcit 4
Cape Breton 8	Binghamton 4
St John's 8	Halifax 2

WEDNESDAY'S GAMES
Adirondack at CDI
Providence at New Haven
Moncton at Utica

THURSDAY'S GAMES
Rocehster at Fredericton
Baltimore at Hamilton
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Bri Farenell			  	    |  GO PHOENIX SUNS!
Clarkson '95	       			    |  GO ARIZONA FOOTBALL!  (?!)
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu            |  GO CLARKSON HOCKEY!
AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey   |  GO USA HOCKEY!
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CONGRATULATIONS TO THE 1992 CALDER CUP CHAMPION ADIRONDACK RED WINGS!	
	     Calder Cup Champs: 1981 1986 1989 1992	



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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: National (ESPN) versus regional (SC) television
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:29:21 GMT

jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff Kallenbach) writes:
>
>1. SC/Chicago caried alot more games last year than ESPN is this year.
>   It seemed we got 3-4 games every week last year in addition to the 
>   Hawks road games (lots of 9:30 games from San Jose and LA).  
>
>2. So far ESPN's coverage is great if you like Mario, Eric, or the Rangers,
>   but fans of other teams are short-changed.  I personally would rather
>   see the Habs and Flames go at it than the Flyers and Caps.

Well, what you're looking at here is a classic resource allocation
problem.  SCA was able to pipe out tons of games involving their six
client teams (10 Flyers, 77 Islanders, 65 Devils, Black Hawks, Whalers
and Sharks) by putting up their local broadcasts at almost zero cost
(and marginally better ratings than Irish Football or Olympic Showcase)
on their national feed for their affiliates and third party package
buyers like Turner's SportsSouth and a few of Prime Network's western
outlets.  On the other hand, each ESPN broadcast involves an expense
on their part so you only get five or six games per month.  The real
concern on ESPN's part will be the Stanley Cup playoffs from mid-April
up to mid-June.  As ESPN and SC compete for commercial advertising
dollars, there is no motivation for ESPN to allow a secondary contract
for SCA national games on ESPN's dark nights (not when you can watch
surfing or volleyball on ESPN, c'mon!).

I had expected the SC lawsuit to be settled out of court by some kind
of secondary national contract, especially since there is a pending
sale of the Islanders to Cablevision (parent of SC) V.P. Chuck Dolan.
We all know the NHL Board too well, preferring to stab John Pickett
(endangering the franchise sale) and Chuck Dolan rather than throw
them a bone.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: Calder: Lindros & more
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.172141.1026@mala.bc.ca> ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.030905.12165@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.132519.1016@mala.bc.ca> ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>>Listen up oh biased & mudslinging one.
>>>This is what I base that argument on : It was Lindros who decided not to play
>>>in " his " rookie year, he was not sent to the minors and thereby did not play
>>>the minimum # of games to qualify for his rookie status.
>>>
>>>By this I feel he disqualified himself this year as a rookie year.
>  What were Joe Juneau's reasons for not playing?
>  If they were continuing play for his country, or finishing junior status,
>then these are reasonable reasons.
>
>  But how many players refuse to even go to the club that drafts them.
>
>  As for a player who does not come to terms, but atleast goes to the teams
>minor league team is making an effort to play for that team.
>
>  Lindros just refused to play, to me that was his choice to void his rookie
>year.  
>
> mick
>

I'm sorry, but IMHO, this talk of rookie year disqualification just 
because a player did not play the first year after being drafted is
complete crap.

   Whether a player plays in the first year after draft is irrelevant.
An NHL rookie is a person who plays in their first complete season in the NHL.
End of story.

   Calder trophy candidates must also meet age requirements so the award is
given to 'real' rookies as opposed to 'veterans' of other high calibre
hockey leagues around the world.

   How can you disqualify someone for not playing their first eligible year
for whatever reason?  I disagree with Lindros' choice to boycott Quebec,
but it doesn't mean he loses his rookie status.  It is still his first
season in the NHL.  We'll see what the kid is REALLY made of this year.

   By the way, many players choose not to play in the NHL right away.  I'm 
pretty sure Joe Juneau chose to play in the Olympics for Team Canada first.
That is his choice. 

Anyway, I'm done spouting..

Charlie Cook

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs125c51@dcl-nxt31.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Re: Brett Hull getting a new contract ???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:19:21 GMT

In article <92311.150825RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Nov05.182026.3033@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, broger@bnr.ca (Roger
> Balakrishnan) says:
> >Bob Mckenzie on TSN said that Brett Hull was negotiating
> >a Mario Lemieux style contract. Has anyone heard anything
> >about this ...
>    I think, for those who haven't realized it yet, that Brett Hull is a very
> very good hockey player, but Adam Oates was a major contibuter to his
> performance and he's not the same player without him.  And, if the Blues
> wouldn't give Oates the money he wanted, how will they give Hull the money
> he wants?
> * Rob *

But how important was Adam Oates? and is he irreplaceable? Very important, and  
a superb player to be sure, but Hull can find someone else. For those who don't  
know, Hull was very upset when the Blues traded away Peter Zezel, then his  
centerman. About as mad as he was last season when he hollored for STL to keep  
Oates. Hull said no one could replace Zezel. He and Zezel had chemistry. And  
then Zezel was replaced by...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-4 NStars-1
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:13:49 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <BxKAII.uy.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) says:
>
>remember
>who) broke down the left boards and in on Wregget.  Instead of staying in the
>net,
>Wregget came all the way out to the farthest edge of the face off circle to
>challenge him.  The Star let a shot go on a wide open net.  The shot just     d
>misse
>the net.
  This is what happened, but not exactly in this way.  The Penguins were
on the verge of having their power play expire.  The Stars shot the puck out
of their zone up to the Penguins end of the ice.  The puck ended up going
towards the Penguins zone, so Wregget came out to play it, thinking the Pens
had more time, for one final rush.  But,    the penalty expired.  It was
obvious, though, that if a Star touched the puck, it was going to be a 2-line
pass, as this is what happened in this case.  The shot did not count.  So,
this wasn't a bad play by Wregget at all.  Be fair!  He was lucky a bit last
night, but he didn't get lucky on this one.  He made a smart play here.
** Rob **
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Calder: Lindros & more
Date: 7 Nov 1992 22:53:35 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca
Summary: There's a man on the moon.

In article <1992Nov7.172141.1026@mala.bc.ca> ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
[stuff deleted]
>  What were Joe Juneau's reasons for not playing?
>  continuing play for his country, or finishing junior status,
>  then these are reasonable reasons.
Nothing like loyalty for his country, more like loyalty for $$$.
He wanted a one-way contract.
>
>  Lindros just refused to play, to me that was his choice to void his rookie
>year.  

If you keep with that logic then a lot of Calder winners and runner-ups
should not have been eligible.  Modano didn't like his first contract
offer and chose to go back to juniors.  Linden didn't like his initial
offer and chose to wait until the last possible day before he signed.  And
while we are being absurd how about Makarov and Bure, they should have
"escaped" from Russia sooner, but they chose to stay behind.

The truth of the matter is that Lindros did not play for a professional
league, he played some games for Team Canada, 
>
>BTW  I think the draft is both immoral and should be made illegal, BUT the
>system is in place and should be observed until it is banned.

Yeah, and I think all the cities that have the money should just
buy the best players, that would give teams like the Jets, Oilers, Whalers,
and others the worst players.  That would be great for the league.  Soon
teams wouldn't have to play each other because the games will be so one
sided.  LA and NYR would dominate and the other 22 teams would become
farm teams.  I can hardly wait. Zzzz.
>
>I guess the average fan has to fight back against the overpayed sports stars,
>who do something they enjoy and should be thankful that they can find
>employment.
>
Again on the previous track...I think players should only play hockey 
if they don't enjoy it.  Nobody should enjoy there jobs.  I also think
that owners should make everything and squeeze the players and fans.
(This is funny stuff here)

>  I hope all the big TV contracts collapse and force the only big income for
>sports franchises to be the fans who go to the game. This would give the fan a
>chance to say STUFF the big contracts, I am not paying 50 bucks + to go see a
>bunch of overpayed babies playing only as well as they have to to make the 
>playoffs.

You must not know anything.  TV contracts absorb the players salaries.
I love going to games, but they are too expensive.  But that's because
gate revenues make up something like 90% of total revenue.  If the NHL
ever gets a contract like MLB has (or is it had now), then the owners
would not have to charge as much for a ticket. 
>
>mick
>
Just my thoughts,
Tony
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jari Kurri Reborn?
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:50 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Nov12.162737.6631@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> coop4y44@bnr.ca (Lorraine Galvin) writes:

I am not from LA, so you might skip my comment, but if you care to listen
to a comment from Finland then go ahead.

>So what's with Jarri Kurri this year?  His production had trailed off
>considerably in his last few seasons with Edmonton, and his return to the NHL
>with the Kings last (?) season was less than sensational, but this season he
>seems to be playing like a man (re-)possessed!

The year in Italy was really bad for Jari Kurri. The league is big in
money for some of its stars. But if you put Mario Lemieux or Mark Messier
to play with a team with some (by Canadian standards) mediocre college kids
and some seniors not good enough to make the team in the lower levels of
IHL, and after one year call them back to the NHL, even they might embarras
their fans for the first couple of months. To the poor start of the season
Jari got some injuries and did not really get going. 

As far I can make any judgment Jari Kurris work ethics has always been
good. He was very disappointed with his performance and he was determined
to show the fans and his employer, that he can do better. He made his
homework. he practiced on the summer to be sure that he will be in shape
when the season is coming. He felt he owes that to McNall and the fans.

He was very happy to come back to the NHand have the opportunity to
join Wayne Gretzky and he was so dissappointed, when the things did not
work out the way he, of course had thought they would. Now he came to
the camp full of determination and in good shape, and look what happens.
He gets a brand new challenge, he is not supposed to be the old faithfull
sidekick of Wayne, but in a way he was almost asked to replace Wayne.

Now you can see, what a great team player Jari Kurri is. His passing has
been reasonable, but with Wayne around not spectacular, he is known to
score of the perfect passes that are the trademark of Wayne. Look, Jari
Kurri is a playmaker, who scores a goal once a while.

>He appears to be playing with Robitaille and Sandstrom, and all three
>are on a tear.  Anyone in LA care to comment on Kurri's, and LA's, 
>transformation?

They are not doing really badly eihter. I believe that some people
who have been saying that anybody will score 50 goals a season and
make the first all star team with Wayne, start to give Jari Kurri 
some respect. If you say, Wayne Gretzky made Jari Kurri a good scorer,
you might say it was reciprocal, Jari Kurri can help a teammate to 
become a good passer and now ewen a good scorer.

I must say, I am happy to see Jari Kurri back on top. He is not as
flashy as say Mario, but he has the top +/- rating of them all.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Alexei Zhitnik?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:47:30 GMT
Distribution: na


In article <23906@galaxy.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
>In article <1d9975INN4rs@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad  
>Gibson) writes:
>>  
>> 
>> Along the lines of another recent post regarding Ozolinsh, I'd also be very
>> interested in hearing from some Kings's fans regarding the play thus far of
>> Alexei Zhitnik.  After a fast start offensively, he seems to have slowed
>> down

Perhaps he has slowed down on scoring (for the moment), but he is
not slow on the ice.  Zhitnik was Pavel Bure's shadow in the Kings
game against Vancouver the other night.  Every Bure break away
was frustrated by a very speedy Zhitnik who managed to catch up
with Bure and hinder his chances of getting a shot on goal.  Zhitnik
is good defensively because of his incredible skating ability and
his speed on the ice (something many other Kings defensemen lack).
And some of the shots from the blue line I have seen Zhitnik take 
speed by so fast you can hardly see the puck.  I think this guy
definitely has a future . . . 

>One last comment.  He's a lot tougher than he looks.  He's thrown some great  
>checks and musculed people in the corners and in front of the net that I  
>thought he wouldn't be able to handle.  Perhaps he will begin to dominate
>later in the season...
>

I agree.

Kristina
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!


--
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Valeri Bure
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:53:41 GMT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1dci9fINNp56@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>BTW, if Valeri is the #1 scorer in the WHL, who is his linemate that
>>is scoring on all those assists?  And what team owns HIS rights?
> 
> None.  He's eligible to be drafted in 1993.
> -- 
> Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
> University of Michigan Class of 1996

Crap. He was drafted by Montreal in 1992.

								Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: INFO NEEDE ON BILL GUERIN
Keywords: Bill Guerin
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:26:51 GMT

Hi,

   I'm interested in some information on a prospect named
   Bill Guerin. Where is he playing now? Has he been drafted
   yet? What position does he play? Does anyone have scoring
   stats for him and also a scouting report? 

   Please send all replies to
   "leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca"

Thanks

Gary Leung

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Stephane Richer
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:08:41 GMT

In article <Nov.6.08.38.29.1992.4891@andromeda.rutgers.edu> palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer) writes:
>cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>
>>Someone said last week that Richer was supposed to be traded to Quebec
>>for Cavallini and other player(s).  
>
>>Does anyone have any inside info on this?
>
>	The Stephane Richer you are thinking of is the one playing for New
>Jersey, right?  Well, there is a different Stephane Richer who was involved
>in this trade.  I don't know who he is or where he plays though.
>
>RAP

Cavallini still plays for Quebec.
The other Stephane Richer (the defenceman) was traded for someone else.
I don't remember the details, but that trade has NOTHING to do with this
rumour someone posted.  
They said that Richer had been told he had been traded to Quebec, and he
subsequently gave up the puck to let someone on the other team score a goal
(even though he had already scored 2 himself).

This is confusing, eh?
Imagine how bad it would have been if the 2 Richers would have remained
on the same team (they both belonged to Montreal, initially) !!!


--Dave
From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Another bad Kings trade...
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:29:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: UniSolutions Associates

The Kings's new GM has just proven that he can be worse than his predecessor
by trading Peter Ahola for Jeff Chychrun.  Peter Ahola lead the Kings last 
season with a +12 and his reward is a one-way ticket to Pittsburgh!!!  Jeff
Chychrun played poorly last year for the Kings and hardly played at all for 
the Penguins this year...

-- 
--Haral Tsitsivas,  UniSolutions Associates
  Voice: (310) 542-0068,  Fax: (310) 370-4024,  E-mail: haral@unisol.com