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Subject:      Source for Gauss

Does anyone have an address and/or phone number for GAUSS, the PC-based matrix
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Thnk you for your assistance.

james zeitler
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AS OF NOV1 THE AREA CODE FOR SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS HAS BEEN CHANGED TO 210.
 SOME NEARBY CITIES HAVE ALSO BEEN CHANGED TO 210.

     NOTE THAT AUSTIN TEXAS AND SAN MARCOS TEXAS HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED. THEY
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Reply-To:     Bob Hayden <hayden@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
From:         Bob Hayden <hayden@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Stat. dictionary

The _Dictionary/Outline of Basic Statistics_ mentioned in earlier
messages has recently been reprinted by Dover, their number 66796-0.
The price is $6.95.
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Reply-To:     Ronan M Conroy <RCONROY@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
From:         Ronan M Conroy <RCONROY@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Teaching interpretation of correlations

The discussion about what correlations measure and how they should
be interpreted beings me to an amusement that I've started
perpetraing in stats sessions. Every time students get a
scatterplot, I ask them to give it marks out of 1 - 1 for
a perfect line, 0 for a complete feck. It is only by doing
this repeatedly that they get any idea of what a correlation
actually looks like, and can begin to picture a correlation?1;2c
and get some idea what the number means. I believe that
most people, on seeing a correlation coefficient, get no mental
picture at all. In fact, I believe them to be almost valueless
in their ability to communicate with the average reader of a
scientific paper. Anyone else agree?

Ronan Conroy                      EMAIL RCONROY@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
Lecturer in biostatistics         Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland
and computing and stuff           Mercer Building, Dublin 2.
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Subject:      Personal message to list owner

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hai evrybody
I am planning to set up the group at my university and i am trying to find for
the host.Is there any body who can provide with the sufficient information.

thankyou in advance .

bye
Raj
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From:         Carla Smulders <SURF422@KUB.NL>
Subject:      UNICOM en CEPES
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L.S.,


Lately I received some questions about:
- UNICOM: University Communications (a network in development;
  not the American organisation) and
- CEPES (an overall organisation).
The questions were asked by a professor of the Ust-Kamenogorsk
Institute of Civil Engineering and Highway Construction (East
Kazachstan).
He already knows about RELCOM, a network between Moscow and
Ust-Kamenogorsk.

The questions he asked about UNICOM and CEPES are:
1. Possibility of inclusion of the Ust-Kamenogorsk Institute
   (mentioned above) in the network UNICOM.
2. - Levels of inclusion in the network UNICOM.
   - The junction communication (central subscriber-station).
   - The subscriber-station.
3. Demands for the levels of inclusion.
4. Documentation (agreement, memorandum, etc.)
5. Finance.

I have a meeting with the professor on tuesday the 10th of
November at 11 a.m. (the day before he leaves). I know it's on
short notice, but it would be great if I could provide him
some information to start with.

So, if you have any information, please send it to
Carla Smulders
e-mail: surf422@kub.nl

(Hogeschool Midden Brabant)
(Postbus 1097, 5004 BB Tilburg)
(The Netherlands)
(phone: 013-635250, no. 153)

Thank you !

Carla Smulders
HMB, Tilburg
The Netherlands
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Subject:      Address Request--Ukraine--Int'l. Mgt. Inst., Kiev
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 Cynthia -- There's a Inter. Inform. Tech. Centre in Kiev with an address of
 ussr.eu.net -- it's an mx record pointing to a uucp address.  Maybe that's
 it? -- Phil Sollins
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We have a user who would like to start a discussion group, however we
don't have LISTSERV software and have no plans to acquire any (we don't
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:30:43 EST
From: Peter M. Weiss <PMW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Harvard internet/bitnet gateway...

In article <9211101023.AA04907@Early-Bird.Think.COM>,
SHAMS%EGAUCACS.BITNET@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU says:

>Hi all,

>Does anyone know the name of the INTERBIT gateway at harvard... internet/
>bitnet gateway ?

There are 48 entities in the BITEARN NODES database for Harvard.
Do you really need an INTERBIT gateway to send mail from another
bitnet node (eqaucacs)?

/Pete
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From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      contacts in Slovakia

To members of Slovak list:
Please allow me to impose on you.  I am looking for university contacts
in Slovakia, especially Bratislava, in the Businesss departments.  I am
trying to do Fulbright funded research and lecturing but need some
contacts.  Specificaly business information systems.  TNX. L. Pook.
E-mail: pook@zeno.msc.colorado.edu
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From: ttj@ee.ualberta.ca (Janacek Thomas)
Subject: Dubcek & Canadian media reaction
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:58:54 GMT

CBC's SUNDAY REPORT (10 pm news) dedicated cca 5 min to show Mr.Dubcek's
political life (from 1968 till today), presented by Chief Political
Correspondent Joe Schlesinger (native from Czechoslovakia, btw).

Today's GLOBE & MAIL brings two column original story 'Reform Communist
led Prague Spring' by David Rocks (Reuter's, Prague), which is more or less
same as the story already posted.

				Thomas Janacek

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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:16:06 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hungarian dispute

To all who argue one or the other side of majority vs. minority
behavior in an location: diversity is beautifull!  Do you not find
it pleasant when you find a minority culture in the midst of outside
influences, maintaining its own norms?  That is not a sign of
hostility, it is a sign of resilience.  If others could just view it
that way.

When Lubosh finds minority groups inside Slovakia clinging to their
habits it should be no more remarkable than if he finds the same
in Ukraine or Hungary or an place else.  By the way, clinging to one's
unique identity is a method of survival indeed.  Look around you,
the world is full of such examples.

Laci Pook
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:54:33 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Roots of the Slovak-Hungarian Conflict

I just recently signed on to this list and am delighted to find the
same arguments as on the Hungarian list ( that's you George and Joe).

Just an observation: as larger nations fragment minorities become
majorities, or at least become more significant minorities.  If the
trend in Central and Eastern Europe continues these fragmented nations
will have to begin courting their minorities with social and economic
incentives lest the fragmentation continue.  I expect that minorities
in any nation which finds itself in these circumstances will sooner or
later enjoy full political, social, and economic rights of participa-
tion, with the possible exception of nations lead by paranoids such as
Iliescu, etc.

One other comment: since we are all daughters and sons of one nation
is it possible that our perspectives are thereby colored? (I gues that
(sp) was a hypothesis).

Joe, please take a deap breath before you strike the keyes.

Laci Pook
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Subject:      CROATIA

From: acs0130111@hofstra.bitnet
Subject: CROATIA


                        LONG LIVE CROATIA!!!!
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From:         Joe Pannon <pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: First Vienna Awards

Dear Paul Havlak:

>     I'd rather not perpetuate a flame war.  I was trying to point out
> why your postings will do little to convince citizens of the Slovak
> Republic that Hungary intends to respect the current international
> boundaries.

I appreciate and understand your point which was well taken.  In a way,
I anticipated it.

>     Your argument above could be applied exactly to the current
> situation.  Will Hungary refuse to recognize the Trianon borders after
> the Velvet Divorce?  Will Hungary now be seeking a mediator to
> consider claims against parts of Slovakia?  Whether this is true or
> false, right or wrong, citizens of the Slovak Republic are rightly
> concerned when you make such arguments.

I can't speak for the Hungarian government, but I am almost certain that
even though the Trianon Treaties don't apply any more, the Helsiki
Accords and the Visegrad Group's stated goal to join EC may be a
stronger garantee than Trianon was.

I would think whether Hungary renounces even peaceful efforts to border
revisions along ethnic lines will be conditional on the treatment of
Hungarians within Slovakia.  Unfortunately, the signs are not very good
right now.  I don't think I have to enumerate what the problems are,
because Duray does it quite well in the Slovak Parliament.  He is
attacked for it constantly.  I read that he might even be prosecuted for
expressing his concern that escalation of ethnic tension has the
potential of a civil war.  Some Slovakian officials consider that
statement to be "spreading false rumors" which is prosecutable there.
Never mind that he only expressed it as a potential, not as an actual
fact.  But the prosecutor will probably PROVE that possibility to be
false. ;-)

If Slovakia is so paranoid about possible Hungarian territorial
revisionism, the last thing she should have done was to unilaterally
divert the boarder river Danube.  In other times and other places this
itself could be a Casus Belli!  Besides, it's also stupid from a purely
military point of view because the Danube in its original riverbed was a
natural barrier between the two countries.  In fact, I understand that
CS was awarded the three extra Hungarian villages after WW II (that it
did not have under the Trianon Treaties) to provide a better protection
for the Slovakian capital.  Instead, that bridghead was now used against
Hungary in the diversion of Danube, depriving a large part of Hungary
from their share of the river.  As I said, this is the dummest
thing Slovakia could have done if she worries about Hungarian
revisionism.

Oh, and somebody wrongly assumed about me that I was born and raised
outside of Hungary.  Actually, the first half of my life was spent
in Hungary.

Regards,
Joe Pannon
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From:         Milan Jira <ULIMJ@CSPUNI12.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dubcek died - media reaction
              8 Nov 1992 19:22:46 MET from <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>

  This evening coverage of Czech TV News was dedicated (almost one third of
the broadcasting time) to Mr. Dubcek and his lost for Czech and Slovak nations.

  The broadcasting reviewed his C.V., some shots from important event of 1968
and 1989, and statements of various politics persons (incl. - Stransky, Kovac
locally, and Clinton and German officials outside the country).

  The only person, who submit LIFE-COVERAGE to TV not only by voice was Vaclav
HAVEL, who appreaciate the person of Mr. Dubcek in modern Czechoslovak history.

  I saw Mr. Havel's interview convincing me that he deeply regret Mr/ Dubcek
loss, not only in local scope.

  I have similar feelings (reaching age of 18 at 1968).

Milan Jira, 3rd Medical Faculty, Charles University,
Prague, Czechoslovakia
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From: juris@cs.toronto.edu (Igor Jurisica)
Subject: Re: Slovakia's Hydro-energy Potentials
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:23:50 GMT

pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM (Joe Pannon) writes:

>BTW, I am also puzzled by the intensity of anti-Hungarian feelings among
>Slovaks for which I can't find any rational justification.  I could see

If the Slovaks don't give super-privileges to the Hungarian minority
you consider them to be anti-Hungarians?
BTW, how much of the Slovaks have anti-Hungarian feelings in general?
Do you have any statistics?

>already took their revenge many times over with the post-WW II "Kosice
>Program" when they declared Hungarians non-citizens and chased
>thousand of them out of their homes.  When does it end?

Is it not a bit simplified ?

Igor

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.                I. Jurisica,  juris@ai.utoronto.ca                 .
.  Univ. of Toronto, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Toronto, ON M5S 1A4, CDN  .
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:32:58 +0100
From:         MARTONAK@ITSSISSA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Powers of Assimilation

In response to Lubosh Hanuska Mr. Pannon writes:

>This is interesting, because I myself have just read a Hungarian article
>about the same issue which comes to the opposite conclusion.  This article
>quotes (in Hungarian) a Viennese ethnographer professor, by the name of
>Bertrand Auerbach, stating the following (in my English translation):

>  "In Central Europe the assimilative power of Slovaks is the greatest.
>  There is no end to the number of more developed German, Hungarian,
>  Czech-Husite communities which the Slovaks in short time completely
>  Slavicised and assimilated."

The rest of the contribution, in my mind, does not deserve any comment
whatsoever, since anybody with half of brain and a bit of experience with
central Europe will laugh at it. The quoted statement is the most ridiculous
thing I have ever seen in Slovak-L. Were it true, then:

1. there would not be any Hungarians at all in Slovakia, after more than
70 years of Slovakisation. Miraculously, their number increases all the time,
as already stated by Mr. Hanuska.
2. apart from Hungarians, there will not be any other ethnic minorities in
Slovakia. I know, that in the region around Handlova, where I was born, there
are still people speaking a kind of German dialect. The region was colonised
by Germans 700 years ago. The total percentage of ethnic minorities in Slovakia
is about 12 %, which, in your logic must appear as a real miracle.
3. Slovaks in Hungary would probably, due to their power to assimilate
Hungarians, already have become an ethnic majority. As far as I know, there
are now about mere 10000 persons claiming Slovak nationality.
4. Maybe even, that Slovakia would have already become a superpower, at least
in central Europe.

Please, go on in this kind of reasoning. It's an extraordinary occasion for
everybody to get in contact with the way of thinking of some Hungarians. Were
all Hungarians living in Slovakia like that, I would be very pessimist about
the possibilities of finding a reasonable "modus vivendi". Fortunately, I know
some of them and I don't believe they share your opinions.

Best regards.
                                Roman Martonak
                                International School for Advanced Studies
                                Strada Costiera 11
                        34014   Trieste
                                Italy

tel.: +39 40 3787428
fax:  +39 40 3787528
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From:         Joe Pannon <pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Slovakia's Hydro-energy Potentials
              "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!PMUZILA@MACALSTR.BITNET" at Nov 7, 92 3:44 pm

To Patrik Muzila:

>         I think I have an answer on your questions, why was Danube chosen for
> this gigantic project. I have no informations on flow of water per second in
> Slovak rivers but I think we cannot argue against the fact that the power of
> Danube is higher than the power of many other rivers in Slovakia.

The power potential of a river is not the function of water volume alone.
Just as or more important is the speed at which the water flows.  I don't know
what the speed of the Danube is under Bratislava, but it cannot be that
great, considering the flat topography of the area.  That's why I
mentioned the mountain rivers as they at places could provide more
kinetic energy than the Danube, though at obviously smaller volume.

I don't have enough of a detailed map of Slovakia to figure out how many
rivers (besides Vah) could hold a good potential, but just from what I
could see on the map I have, there are several rivers there that could
possible be dammed for power generation.

I know, talking about this is "water under the bridge" once the Danube
plant is already built, but I only brought it up because all I was
hearing here was that there was no alternative for Slovakia to get the
power generation it needs, but from Gabcikovo.

> power of the river but also the terein arount the banks. The project of
> Gabcikovo-Nagymarosh was unique because it should have been a complex of more
> dams.

I know about the complex, but as I said, the prior regimes planned the
whole thing behind the back of people, without any public debate.  When
finally the debate was allowed, the Hungarian politicians could no
longer justify the cost of the monster against the percieved benefits
and that's what led to the cancellation of the project.  I can see
though, that the cost-benefit equation might be different on the other
side, as most of the ecological damaga would effect Hungarians, on
either side of the river.  Not to mention what would happen should those
dams fail and the massive water volume hit the downstream populations,
especially Budapest!

>         My message would be : "Please open your minds and start facing
> reality."

I agree with that, but that should be the motto on both side of the
river.  Instead, what I see is that the Slovaks see political motives
even in the anti-Gabcikovo stand of the Hungarians.

Nehnevamsa,
Joe Pannon