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From: lamy@sobeco.com (Jean-Francois Lamy)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME compliant UI for the Mac?
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:18:49 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

Anyone seen such?  Commercial or not.

Jean-Francois Lamy                                        |   lamy@sobeco.com
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: MIME types: subclasses?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:40:26 GMT

Yes, you've hit on an interesting area.  It turns out that the really 
interesting thing is PostScript itself.  In the process of designing MIME,
we have probably had a dozen separate occasions where people have brought
up the subject of PostScript and used it as an example for why a great
deal of additional mechanism might be desired.  Trouble is, a secodn 
example is always very hard to find.  I think the bottom line is that
PostScript is a very special case.  Rather than make a really sweeping
and strange solution like multiple content-type headers, I'd prefer to
look at PostScript as PostScript, and see if it can be solved within
the existing framework, taking its idiosyncrasy into account.

The biggest problem with PS, of course, is that there are so many different
ways of using it and no real standard.  But I don't think that needs to
stop us.  Imagine, instead, that we just add a few more parameters to
the ones defined for application/postscript:

Content-type: application/postscript; subset=eps

With the addition of a parameter such as "subset" we can probably do 
everything you want -- encapsulated PS is certainly a subset, as is idraw ps.
How would you feel about just defining, registering, etc. such a 
parameter?\

By the way, I'm dragging Ned Freed into this discussion because he's
much more of a PS expert than I am.  Hope you don't mind.  -- Nathaniel

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Changing location of mailbox lock files?
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:12:00 GMT

mlarson@corp.hp.com (Matt Larson) writes:
>I'm trying to run Elm 2.3 PL11 on an HP 9000/345 running HP-UX 8.0.
>The problem is that there is no way for elm to create lock files in
>the mail spool directory (/usr/mail in this case) due to lack of write
>permission.  Upon startup, Elm complains bitterly with:

>       Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/mail/".

>Because my machine is a diskless client of a server I don't
>administer, there is no hope of changing the permissions on /usr/mail
>or running elm setgid.  As far as I can tell, there is no easy
>configurable way to change the location of these lock files.  Is there
>a workaround for this, or is the problem more complicated than I
>understand it?
On HP-UX, like all SysV based machines, you MUST run elm setgid for the
locking to work.  If you cannot make Elm setgid mail, then you cannot
use Elm.  Elm needs to lock the mailbox to prevent collisions.
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From: adam@flicker.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Attribution enhancement, maybe?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:27:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug19.182721.25194
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug19.151729.29784@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Sydney S.
Weinstein) writes:

>Attribution, is to attribute the text you are including.  Since the person
>who sent you the message wrote it, the attribution always belongs to them.
>Its not a 'Dear person', that would be a salutation, not an attribution.

Ok, heres an idea for an enhancement for the next version. Currently,
.elm/elmrc has a single line controlling attribution.  Since most of
my replies are done with r(eply) not g(roup reply), I leave this set
to "You wrote."  But when I send a group reply, I'd like this to
automatically change to "%s wrote:"

# attribution string for replies ('%s' is the author of original message)
attribution = You wrote:

/* hypothetical addition
# attribution string for group replies ('%s' is the author of original message)
group_attribution = %s wrote:
*/

Would something like this be tough to add?

Adam

Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
Subject: Re: Attribution enhancement, maybe?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.182721.25194@das.harvard.edu> adam@flicker.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>Ok, heres an idea for an enhancement for the next version. Currently,
>.elm/elmrc has a single line controlling attribution.  Since most of
>my replies are done with r(eply) not g(roup reply), I leave this set
>to "You wrote."  But when I send a group reply, I'd like this to
>automatically change to "%s wrote:"

Good idea.
Could we also add something like %w for when the message was sent, %z for
the subject of the message, etc., to these fields?

That would make the attribution feature mich more interesting.

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From: dave@strydr.UUCP (David Schnardthorst)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Aliasing System Names
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:58:52 GMT
Reply-To: dave@strydr.UUCP (David Schnardthorst)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stryder Communication Computer Consultants


	Can somebody please tell me how I would alias System Names in Elm.  I
	have a copy of Pathalias that I recently got to compile, however, I am 
	unsure of how to use it, as I do not have a copy of any documentation 
	or man pages.

	Thankyou,
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (David W. Tamkin)
Subject: Re: mail directory saving
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:29:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas) wrote in
<1992Aug11.181808.22207@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>:

| You set the mail directory, but if you don't specify "=" the mail message
| will never go there but rather the current directory.

I found that annoying too, not only for s)ave and C)opy but also (in fact
more so) for c)hange, since I use filter to throw my mail to assorted
folders.

My way of dealing with it was to write a script that boils down to something
that in many shells could be a function or an alias (I have other things in
it that make a script preferable): essentially, it does

(cd $HOME/Mail ; elm "$@")

[Of course, since I'm in a script anyway, I don't use the parentheses.]

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Problem with system identity in mail (Return address)
Organization: elektro.uucp 614-471-9416 V32.bis/PEP
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.134940.10710@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	We have a new hp700.  When it was on the open network the
>	system name was snake.  Now it's avatar.
>	It is known on the network and to itself as avatar.
>	If someone sends mail from it the mail return address
>	is ******@snake, which doesn't exist.
>	How can I change the address so it knows it's avatar?
>
	When you installed elm with make, you probably told it to use
 	'snake' as the system name.  Suggest you redo configuration and 
	re-make ...
>
>	Alan Yasutovich
>	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
>	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	AND ... motorcycle riding used to be dangerous!
Charlie Smith
.....................................................
.   csmith@dsac.dla.mil                             .
.   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org                      .
. { dsac | bluemoon | n8emr }!elektro!charlie       .
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
Subject: Re: Possible to loose incoming mail?
Originator: jim@eddie
Reply-To: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
Organization: me?  have you seen my desk?  : -)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:20:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.162844.19966@isa.de> taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
writes:

>Is there a chance that by receiving these messages your home
>dir was filled up?  _If_ your $HOME is full and you get mail
>and there's "no space left on device," your mail goes nowhere.
>Has happened to me.

well, your $HOME directory doesn't really have anything to do with it,
since incoming mail isn't stored there....  it's normally stored in
either /usr/mail or /usr/spool/mail --- but the problem you describe
could very well happen, if the /usr partition (or whatever partition
happened to hold the above directories) filled up.

just a thought.
   --jim

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Death Notice: Rob Bernardo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:20:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug19.112736.1660@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>Rob Bernardo, who is listed in the elm manual as a member of the elm
>>testing group, died earlier this month at age 40, of complications of AIDS.
>
>Damn.
>
>Is there a place we can send condolences, contributions in his name, etc?

His sister's name and address: 

Claire Bernardo
15 Carlton Road
Great Neck NY 11021

(516) 466-4748


Contributions in his name may be made to the American Foundation for AIDS
Research (AmFAR).  It has offices in several cities. 


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Problem with system identity in mail (Return address)
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.134940.10710@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan
Yasutovich) writes:

:	We have a new hp700.  When it was on the open network the

Stop right here.  Which Elm are you using -- the one shipped with the
HP or Usenet Elm?  Do an "elm -v" to find out.  If you're using HP's
Elm, my strong recommendation is to ditch it and replace it with
Usenet Elm, which is superior.

						...Mike


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Blank After Prefix
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:02:09 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


Is there a way to make the quoting prefix (prefix= item in
elmrc) end with whitespace, specifically a blank?  I've
tried various things like quoting, backslashes, etc.,
without success.  Those characters appear as literals, but
trailing blanks are stripped.

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From: bne@tecsrv12.teradata.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Outgoing message in Different Folder
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:57:44 GMT
Reply-To: bne@tecsrv12.teradata.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: ATT/NCR Teradata Business Unit
Originator: bne@tecsrv12

How do you save an outgoing message in a folder which is different 
i.e. not outbox.
Say I am sending a message to xyz and want that message to be saved in
folder foo How do I do that?
In mailtool  you can say +foo.
I tried >foo but it does not work :-(
Currently I am sending myself a copy and then saving it in folder foo.
Any ideas?

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Using elm and emacs (help needed)
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:46:47 GMT

Hi,

  I have just started grad school here at Clemson and immediately ran
into a problem using elm.  I like to use emacs, but most people here
use vi.  When I change my elmrc file to make the editor emacs, everything
seems to work but my mail never gets anywhere.  I don't get any error
messages and it looks as though the whole thing is working just fine.

  I have been using elm and emacs for the last three years or so and I
am pretty sure I would notice if this looked different.  Noone here at
Clemson seems to know how to make it work.  I would really appreciate
any help that anyone could give me.  I really don't want to start using
vi because I find it the most awkward editor I have used so far.

Thanks in advance

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dagrawal@black.clarku.edu (Dileep Agrawal)
Subject: How to avoid names of all in group alias from coming in mail?
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:52:26 GMT

Does anyone know how to set up group aliases on Berkeley mail, Pine or ELM 2.3
so that the receiver cannot see the names of the other people in the group
alias on the "To:" line?

ELM will print the email address with the name defined in aliases.text in
brackets for everyone in the group alias on the 'To:' line.

e.g. if the aliases.text reads:

a1 = x = add1
a2 = y = add2
a3 = z = add3
test = test = add1,add2,add3

then on sending mail to 'test' the 'To:' line on the receivers' mail reads:

To: add1(x), add2(y), add3(z)

Is there any way of customizing ELM, Pine or Berkeley mail so that only the
receiver's address or only the names (x,y,z) appear on the 'To:' line?

Thank you in advance.


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Re: Filing by date
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.225725.19137@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, woan@exeter.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) writes:
|> Is there an easy way to file your mail by month?

What I do, (not the greatest, but it works!) is to store my incoming and
outgoing mail in the same folder where the folder name contains the
date (eg., "mbox.9208").  The trick is to do this *without* having to
touch the ELMRC file.  To effect this, I actually set the folder to
be "mbox" and then create a link from the "real" folder to the "dummy".

The following is the portion of my ".profile" that creates the folders.
[Note: this can - and is, by me - repeated for several time-dated folders
       which can be located elsewhere in my project-specific hierarchies.]

	MBOX_DATE=`date +%y%m`
	if [ ! -f ${HOME}/mail/mbox.${MBOX_DATE} ]
	then
		touch ${HOME}/mail/mbox.${MBOX_DATE}
		ln ${HOME}/mail/mbox.${MBOX_DATE} ${HOME}/mail/mbox
	fi

The reason that this has to be done in such a kludgy fashion is that
when you "edit" or otherwise change a folder, ELM scraps the old one
and re-creates it.  This would normally result in out-of-sync folders.
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From: my2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Munho Yi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: how can i use vacation and filter at the same time (maybe FAQ)
Keywords: filter, vacation, faq
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:24:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Virginia

i wonder whether i can use filter and vacation at the same time.
it would be hard since they both using .forward file.
thanks.  
		(prefer reply on my mail box)

munho yi
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From: steve@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Steve Iatropoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Help on filtering incoming mail into folders.
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:27:33 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

I have been using Elm for quite a while now and have reached a point
where I have just too much mail to handle efficiently from a single
folder (the default). 

I am interested to see how people manage large volumes of mail, in particular
how they manage to filter incoming mail into different folders (using elm
of course!); so that,  say, a certain mailing list (or group of mailing
lists) fall into a folder which I can peruse at my own leisure
but mail destined for certain "help" addresses (eg. postmaster and gripe)
fall into a folder I view regularly.

Please respond via email as I am so busy with my mail I haven't the time to
read news :-)

Thank you for your time,
Steve


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From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Possible to loose incoming mail?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:28:44 GMT
Organization: ISA GmbH, Stuttgart, FRG

root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
>I ask because I think it just happened.  My mail file was big, so it
>took about 30 seconds to start up.  During that time, newmail told me I
>had received mail several messages, and I did because my uucp feed had
>just connected, but when I got into elm, there was no new mail at all.

Is there a chance that by receiving these messages your home
dir was filled up?  _If_ your $HOME is full and you get mail
and there's "no space left on device," your mail goes nowhere.
Has happened to me.

Christian

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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Keywords: elm, openwin, startup
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:52:59 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon

adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

>In my .openwin-init, I changed:
>shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi  &
>to
>shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi elm  &

 Change that to:

shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi -I elm  &
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Possible to loose incoming mail?
Organization: Population Research Institute
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.161453.7357@candle.uucp> root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
>Running elm 2.3PL11, is it possible to loose incoming mail if you are
>bringing up elm while mail is being delivered?

I've seen elm do quirky things sometimes when new mail arrives.
Once I was reading a message, and just hit 'i' and then 'Q' to quick-
quit out.  About this time a mail message came in.  (I knew cause biff
went off in my other window)  My finger was already on the "Q" key
and I saw the screen with my list of messages, then resynchronize with
the new message, then quick-quit out.  I realized that I had a
new message, and went back into elm.  When i got there it was gone!
I managed to find it in my '=inbox' folder.  (Where I save incoming mail,
but only if I explictly ask elm to.  My defaults are set to keep messages
in my mailbox.)  Odd!
	What kind of file locking did you specify?

--Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mal@genrad.com (Mike A. Long)
Subject: attribution flaw?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:32:02 GMT

Either I don't quite understand the purpose of attribution, or there is a 
flaw with the feature (I am unsure if it is due to design or implementation).

Attribution is keyed from the elmrc file, and causes the
"originator's" full name to appear at the top of any email that is
either forwarded or replied to.

It makes perfect sense to put it at the top of a reply, as that is who
the email is being "sent" back to.  However, in a forward, a reader
(especially those who don't use elm) wonder why I put the
"senders" name at the top.

I suggest the feature would have greater utility if the addressee's name
were to appear at the top with a " -" or "," appended to simplify
addressing the email..., and change the name of the feature to 
"preaddress" or something.

The other option is to put out the originators name in a format string like:
(The following letter is attributed to %s:)

to help clarify what the intent of the line is.

Flames invited - I am a novice and am probably doing something really
stupid.   Tell me so I can learn...

Mikey



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