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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ships to India or Pakistan
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:50:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <62908@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>In article <jahe.712252516@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>
>jahe@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Jane Hennig) writes:
>
>| Peter and Mario want to travel to India. 
>| 
>| Who knows from which European harbors are going ships
>| to India or Pakistan?
>| 
>| Please, when you can help me, write as soon as possible.
>| 
>| Thank you!!!
>| 
>| 
>| Fine, holidays for all nn-readers. :-)
>
>Do "Grays" carry green cards?  Have visas?  :-)
>
>Anyone still believe "alt.alien.visitors" shouldn't be renamed, please raise
>your hand.  "alt.ufos.*" would reduce some of the non-pertinent traffic that
>appears in this newsgroup, but I'm not saying that's the best choice for a
>new name.

Sorry Thad, it had been demonstrated many times right here that when
many say UFO, they mean alien spaceship. Unless the new groups generated
more traffic (which is possible), it would diffuse it out a bit. Poor
John is having trouble keeping up now.

>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]

Rich


payner@netcom.com
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: WIR's [Was MIB]
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:13:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Rosch and EIVERSO: I do believe you two are making fun of my 
posting.
John Winston.
From: kiernan@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Elaine Kiernan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: UFO books
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:32:17 GMT
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii


Hi folks,
	I'd like to read some good books on UFO's etc.
What's your favorite UFO book?
	The kind of book I'd like to find has objective accounts
of "what happened" e.g. abductees' experiences, eyewitness accounts,
etc. I'm not really interested in theories or philosophies,
just the facts, know what I mean?
	Anyway, it would be interesting to see what everyone
has read! Thanks!
	
	Live long and prosper,
	Elaine

	kiernan@koa.ifa.hawaii.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:04:52 GMT

In article <62579@cup.portal.com>, thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>In article <mBoaoB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com>
>aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System) writes:
>
>|  [...]
>|  be discovered or created, even fudged so we could understand how you can 
>|  go through space that fast without the g-force problems associated with 
>|  normal rocket accelleration.
>|  [...] 
>
>Wellll, a "solution" to the problem of g-forces would be an "inertia-less"
>drive.  One would be even able to make abrupt, right-angle turns at speed
>without any deleterious effects.
>
>Damifino how one would go about constructing such a drive, though.  A
>Unified Field Theory hasn't materialized (yet), and that would be only
>the FIRST step.  Heck, we haven't [practicably] harnessed fusion!

That's true if you want a true inertialess drive.  On the other hand, if you've
got energy and reaction mass to spare, a handy black hole or something similar,
and a way to latch onto it, Robert L. Forward (I think) has proposed (in
science fiction) a way to deal with the high accelerations:  Construct a
spacecraft with a crew module that can be held at a controlled distance from
your tame black hole.  Adjust the position of the crew module so that
gravitational acceleration toward the black hole balances the acceleration due
to thrust for the crew.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:24:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <61373@cup.portal.com> <1992Jul16.205929.23077@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
  <62414@cup.portal.com> <62435@cup.portal.com> <62440@cup.portal.com>
  <62518@cup.portal.com> <62582@cup.portal.com>

TRANSFER
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Subject: Re: Spaceships Beyond Our Ken(was Re:Ela
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:28:16 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

thad@cup.portal.com(Thad .P Floryan) wed 29Jul92 05:34:10 types--
>Finally what evidence can be presented showing a planet named "tau 
>ceti" orbits Tau Ceti.

Well tau ceti is smaller than Tau Ceti so can their be any doubt?.  
After all it's a small world after all.

But semantically seriously though if Tau Ceti(maybe that should be something 
around it) is on the MOP list then NASA at least thinks their's at least 
1 planet lurkuing around their(or else some transmitter from somewhere 
else) so it's maybe worth pointing HST over there if COSTAR is a goer. 
Despite no reported success from Project Ozma since it' may still be 
a popular choice.                               
                                                         
BTW-Does anyone know of a good source for keeping up with whats going 
on with the NASA SETI MOP?.
All I see & hear is very vacous.

Anyway maybe it was another pentagon.
****************************************** 
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL?
******************************************************************************
From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Orgone Energy
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com

My Digital Webster dictionary defines "orgone energy" as:

or gone \'o (e)r-,go n\ n
[prob. fr. orgasm + -one (as in hormone)]
(1942)
:a vital energy held to pervade nature and to be made available for use by
 the human body by sitting in a specially designed box 

Okay, I give.  What's the story here?
(...and where can I get one of them BOXES!!!)
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_Winston-Complete incineration
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:13:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Kevin:
Please don't get excited. 
John Winsnton.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa )
Subject: The Truth About.........
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:20:16 GMT

(Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa.)

	Hi, this is Mike again.
I have recently aqquired a copy of a very interesting video, and would
like to find out if anyone else has seen it and what they thought.
	The name of the video is "The Truth About UFO'S and ET'S".
It is a video taped session of what I can only refer to as a "seminar"
of some sort. From what I've been able to learn about the author, he
travels around to different colleges and such giving these lectures
on Extraterrestrials(sp?) and the paranormal.
	I found it to be a rather engaging 90 min. of mostly slide
projection and talking. At the end of the video, he brings in his wife,
who claims tbe connected somehow with a superior race of beings
who are "seeding" the Earth, or something. (I'll have to watch it again).
	Anyway, I picked this tape up at Wal-Mart for $4.00, and I think
I got my money's worth The authors name is Brad Steiger. I think he's 
had a few books out along the lines of Erich Von Daniken and such.
	If you would like to find out more:
	The Truth About UFO'S and ET'S
	GOODTIMES HOME VIDEO
	401 5th Ave.
	New York, NY       
	10016
The video is copyright 1982 Atlan Productions, if that helps any.

						Michael Whittington
						mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:21:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62582@cup.portal.com> <+6fmdv@lynx.unm.edu> <62611@cup.portal.com>

Dear Everybody:
I'll be going on a tour of an acient city this Sunday.
John Winston.
From: moreillo@disuns2.epfl.ch (Guy Moreillon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please!
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:36:29 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Yeah, guys, get off David Vincent's... er... John's back !
I get my kicks reading this guy's postings.
It sure beats Star Trek.

-- 
Guy Moreillon				-- Oh my God, It's full of Stars...
moreillo@disuns1.epfl.ch		-- Dave Bowman
moreillon@eldi.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Alien endorses Clinton!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:05:37 GMT

   No kidding!  Check the tabloid counter at your supermarket.
From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Roswell information; and how to get more
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:47:19 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:

> To coincide with the MUFON Conference last weekend in Alberquerque
> Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner's new book "Crash at Corona" was
> released. This week Stan is doing a lecture tour around New Mexico.
> 
> At the MUFON Press Conference at Alberquerque there was a heated 
> exchange of views between Kevin Randle, representing a local Roswell
> paper (also author with Don Schmitt of Crash at Roswell) and Stan.
        I'm not surprised. Given that there are three versions of the Roswell 
crash, feuds are bound to happen.

        Let's recap:

        Moore and Berlita originally claimed ONE rash near Roswell, and the 
recovery of FOUR bodies.

        Randle and Schmittclaim ONE crash 150 miles west of Roswell, the 
recovery of THREE bodies and one LIVE alien.

        Friedman claims TWO crashes, the first in Roswell with four corpses, 
and the second at Randle
s location with three corpses and one live one.

        Friedman maintains that the MJ-12 papers are genuine, in spite of a) 
near-certain proof that they're counterfeit, and b) it contradicts his 
two-crash theory. The papers mention only the Roswell crash.

        When asked about this contradiction, Friedman merely replied, 
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Well, whuppee. That's 
certainly a solid answer.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
"Best Reason Not to Vote for Perot-- If he wins, it might encourage Bill 
Gates to run." 
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: My thoughts and experiences
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:16:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul16.135425.1512@tellab5.tellabs.com> <62221@cup.portal.com>

In article <62221@cup.portal.com> I wrote:

|  [...]
|  Just out of curiousity, when was LARC built and commissioned?  Are the
|  "stilts" a form of shock isolation or something mandated by the topology?
|  [...]

As was [politely and privately] brought to my attention, "topology" is NOT
the correct word; s/b "topography."  :-)

I'll plead:

	(a) my math background (in re a Freudian slip), and
	(b) the lateness of the [posting] hour.

But, how many other twin-dome observatories are there besides LARC (at
Northwestern U.) and the one at NMSU?

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Artsy MIBs and Alien MIBs
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:40:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul22.125200.20671@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>

Dear Steve: 
I believe that anything is possible.
John Winston.
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: test
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:37:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

test please ignore 
-- 
Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge                  
                 	

			
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:26:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I have been reading your posting and will thinks about them.
John Winston.
From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Roswell Museum (UFO Engima)
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:03:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In case anyone is travelling through Roswell, there is a museum there called
the 'UFO ENIGMA'. The curator is John Price and he did a excellent job in
re-creating the Roswell crash (complete with a saucer and four life sized
greys) from the available data. There are many actual newspaper articles and
documents about the crash at the museum. I spent three days down there while on
my way to the MUFON conference and met Clifford Stone (author of UFO Enigma)
while I was there. Great people. There is another museum in the works by Glenn
Dennis and Walter Haut in Roswell as well. If you go through, the museum is a
must see.

-=-=- Wes =-=-=
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jahe@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Jane Hennig)
Subject: Ships to India or Pakistan
Organization: tu-chemnitz
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:55:16 GMT

Peter and Mario want to travel to India. 

Who knows from which European harbors are going ships
to India or Pakistan?

Please, when you can help me, write as soon as possible.

Thank you!!!


Fine, holidays for all nn-readers. :-)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Organization: Indiana University
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:31:12 -0500

To heck with how the Pleiadians ships work or how fast they go. HOW DID
THEY EVOLVE SO DARN FAST?  The Pleiades are bright young stars still
within their nebular cocoon.  They are along the order of millions of
years old.  It took life on Earth more than 4 billion years to evolve
to the point where it could walk upright, talk, and dream silly dreams.
Are the Pleidians child prodigies?  Btw the first prokaryotes didn't
evolve here until a billion years or so after the formation of Earth.
Thomas Freebairn
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: re  Caution for UFO investig
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:38:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul2.222413.7439@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro3@odin.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) writes:
>
>maybe it all boils down to I think therefore I am.
    
   I guess that means that John Winston *isn't* .


---peter
From: wilbur@starfish.cps.msu.edu (Brick Wilbur)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Abduction case
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:48:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University

In article <Brr1pw.zA@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul19.022329.22455@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wilbur@oyster.cps.msu.edu (Brick Wilbur) writes:
|> >I talked to a leading researcher two weeks ago, and he informed me about the
|> >abduction case that happened in New York.  Someone posted that case earlier.
|> >
|> >The incident was witnessed by all those people who were on the Brooklyn Bridge,
|> >and by the people who were below (on the street ).
|> >
|> >The VERY high ranking official was not disclosed to me.  I was told, however, that
|> >the official's Secret Service agents witnessed these happenings.  It was these
|> >agents that contacted Bud Hopkins.  
|> >
|> >The incident happened in 1989, and this official has not made up his mind yet
|> >as to whether he will disclose what he witnessed.  
|> >
|> >My source personally knows just about every UFO researcher, and was one of the
|> >key people in organizing the conference at MIT a month ago.
|> >
|> >He an about 7 other researchers have been specifically doing MASSIVE research
|> >on the Roswel crash.  They have uncovered many things that have never been
|> >uncovered before.
|> 
|>    Talk is cheap.   But frankly we've been hearing this kind of stuff
|>    for decades now and nobody has ever provided any tangible evidence.
|> 
|>    How would Mr. Wilbur like it if I claimed that I have secret information
|>    that absolutely proves that he's making this all up due to some basic
|>    mental instability and that I've talked to doctors and other specialists
|>    who can confirm his condition, but at the moment choose not to do so?
|>         
|>    I say put up or shut up.
|>                            
|> 
|> ---peter
|> 
|>    


I guess, now I know what its like to be on the other side...

Oouch.    Ya have to bite your tongue on this side.  

Well, at this point, I dont have any of the privy info.  But, the gentleman that
I speak of is a very respected analyst.  A person who people from both sides of
the controversy come to for opinion/help.   Mike Corbin is one of those people,
for example.

Brick
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:34:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <1992Jul27.171026.13467@odin.corp.sgi.com>
rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:

| Mabye John will get the MESSAGE this way?!?! All those in favor of dear old
| John_-_Winston sending e-mail instead of posting his responses to the world
| at large , please post a RE: to this message to let the post happy
| [...]

While I agree there's far too much "personal banter" occuring, give the guy
a break.

The Portal interface is NOT like anything you may have seen before; it's sort
of a cross between "Notes" (as on HP-UX systems) and a DOS-type BBS.

Believe me, it's all too easy to accidentally send an empty article or not
understand how to move to the next screen.  And the email interface appears
identical to the Usenet, Clarinet, Internet interfaces and it's very easy
to become confused even for those who ARE "computer-literate."

I've sent email to John and to "cs@cup.portal.com" (Customer Services) asking
to get John setup with a "Portal Partner" or "Portal Pals" (whatever they
call it) to help him acclimate to the system.

I've used Portal for over 5 years (since it was a local call, and The WELL
(used to) charge by the minute) because it was a flat-rate service, but even
I occasionally get "caught" in the interface (even though I've put most of
Portal's commands on function keys with my terminal emulator).

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:23:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.nxgmw=f
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <BrtoGA.Eov@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>
>	A supernova within 40 lightyears would be very very obvious
>(Apparent magnitude of ~ -21ish, I think) and could also be very very
>bad, wrt our current ecosystem. None of the ZR stars are SN candidates,
>though.
>
>							James Nicoll

Another thing to think about is if the star had been a supernovae 
candidate it would have been a red giant.  Which means that (a) it
would have been around apparent mag -6 or so and (b) it would have 
engulfed or nearly engulfed any planets with orbtial radii similar 
to the earth's (ie the range of orbital radii within which it is 
thought necessary for a planet to have to be habital.)

Ithlial


My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash 
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash 
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 
"What, was THAT?!"
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: The Unanswered Question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:31:26 GMT
Summary: Dear John...

In article <62460@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Barry and Bad Bull Bill:  Now if that isn't a strange conbination
> then I've never heard one. Your discussion of ways to cook Greys is 
> very funny but I make it a rule not to make fun of people who are
> smarter than I am.
> John Winston.


Dear John: I didn't know th greys are people, so i thought i was
           allowed to make fun of them. actually they are very paranoid
	   at this time, 'cause too amny people(humans)are finding out
	    they taste like chicken.
	   Anyway, i spoke on the vibrational voice transceiver to
           commander sashac of the interplanetary P----- and he said not
	   to worry if Mr Wilson thinks i'm making fun of greys.

Over- barry--
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: aero@neptune.ecn.uoknor.edu (Aero Student Account)
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:34:33 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear Everybody:
>I'll be going on a tour of an acient city this Sunday.
>John Winston.

And I'll be going camping this weekend.

(Just thought Everybody might like to know that).

--------
Jonathan A. Bishop
aero@neptune.ecn.uoknor.edu

"Yippee!  That may have been a small one for Neil,
 but it was a big one for me."
                            --Pete Conrad
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 05:04:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul22.131739.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> <aero.711820272@titan>
  <7696@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> <1992Jul25.221109.1@vxdesy.desy.de>

If anyone else is receiving insulting email messages from:

	Greg Aicklen <aicklen@utdallas.edu>
	Research Engineering Associate
	Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science
	University of Texas at Dallas

then feel welcome to respond with my reply (enclosed) for which I relinquish
all copyrights and place into the public domain for YOUR use as a reply.

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]

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[bad language follows; hit 'n' now if neccessary; tit for tat]

 
"One should never assess a situation from the end of a conversation."

And one shouldn't foam at the mouth without a clear understanding of what's
transpired before YOUR transgression.

And so what is YOUR problem?  You jump in without any background (since you
haven't established your veracity or credentials) or having apparently read
any of the preceding OR following articles.  Reminds me of all the pseudo-
/pop-"scientists" who have their heads so far up their asshole they cannot
see beyond their own shit: yes, this means YOU. 

Suggest you tone down your demeanor, become more civil, and get a life.

No-one is forcing you to read the newsgroup; go back to alt.sex and beat
your meat on your keyboard if that's how you get your jollies.

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