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From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Dumb, Sheltered College Puke
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:27:34 GMT


In article <1992Apr6.133108@soil.gsfc.nasa.gov>, 
dave@soil.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Graham) said:

> One thing that is overlooked here is crime created from
> dependancy.  As the life of the drug addicted degrades ( no longer
> can hold job ) often times these people turn to crime to support
> their addiction.  You may do away with some levels of organized
> crime, but I still believe crime would still be a major problem
> within our inner-cities.

Two points:

(1) With the removal of criminalization of drugs, the criminal
monopoly on the supply would end.  Although there's no way to prove
this, it seems likely that this would lead to a decrease in the price
of drugs, which in turn would lead to a decrease in the amount of
crimes being committed for the purpose of obtaining money with which
to purchase drugs.

(2) True, crime would still be a major problem within our
inner-cities"... but (a) a lot less of it would be being committed
by the government (don't know about you, but _I_ view the war on
drugs as criminal) and (b) a lot of police resources currently being
wasted on the persecution of drug users, producers, distributors,
etc. would be freed up for use in a war on _real_ crime.<*>

<*>"Real Crime" -- an act which is prohibited by law because its
   commission either directly and unjustifiably violates or directly
   and unjustifiably imperils the rights of one or more persons who
   have not given their informed consent to its commission.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17745 rec.autos:11143 sci.econ:3666
From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.autos,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Japan could be skirting $30 billon in U.S. taxes annually
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:52:56 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


What do you think that "prime time",  is it really a 
news report (close to ABC news) or a story teller
(close to current affair)?

For me, the story is good only for the time "bashing
japan" is the fashion now: face it, except Japan
as it is said from the say program, the other foriegn
Co. reports $1.3X profit per $100 sale, while Japan
reports $0.46 per $100. [Comparing US Co.'s $5-10]

Why pick on Japan (IRS may have less people speak
Japaness, how about English, to those countries like
Britain or so).

By the way, does "prime time" people ever check what 
say US company outside US do, as a comparison, whether
it is the sin of the Japaness Co here in US, or just
a common practice for everybody.

God, I love to blame other people, life is so easy!!

Let's back to CARs.
.
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:28:21 GMT

In article <979@zogwarg.etl.army.mil> riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:

>	Keep up the good work, boys, and by the way GO REDS GO.

Naah!  Go Blue Jays and Expos.  Both just completed weekend sweeps
(the Orioles and Mets respectively).  :)
>
>
>	Bill R.
>



-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  5-0  v. Orioles   Fri (4-3), Sat (8-2) and Sunday
 CELEBRATE!!  The Strike is over.  Allez les Canadiens!!!!
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What keeps me from being Lib.
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:11:16 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr10.204358.3237@morrow.stanford.edu>, GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:

|> The lack of hope and general despondency of life in our inner cities
|> has now reached such levels that life really is cheap.  This is a
|> very dangerous turn of events.  We must restore to these people a
|> belief that life does have something to offer them, and I firmly
|> believe that only the program offered by the Libertarian Party has
|> the potential to do that.

But June, what does Libertarianism really have to offer these
people?  For the most part, as presented here on the Net,
it's a philosophy that lets the rich get richer and 
doesn't give much thought to the poor at all.

If you want more Libertarians, you need to study why
adherents of Libertarianism are rarely found in these
inner city areas, and come up with a program that attracts
these people.

If Libertarians can come up with a plan to bring business
and industry to inner cities, a lot more people will
listen to you.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: alt.new-media,talk.politics.misc
From: AIESEC - Ohio State <aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: Listening to America
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:17:18 GMT

>In article <1992Apr12.013239.1004@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> you write:

>    I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'real America'. Given
>    its head, it would hang all the 'niggers', burn all the 'fags'
>    torture all the 'impure' and use state power to indoctrinate
>    the children into a fine upstanding intolerant version of
>    the christian religion.
>
>    Was watching a documentary about Andy Warhol the other night.
>    Running thru his origins they ran thru a number of 50's
>    newspaper columns very quickly. One momentary flash showed an
>    article entitled something like "Government assistance sought
>    in monitoring perv1\~perverts". This is the heart of the 'real'
>    America ... fearful of the different, murderous towards the
>    non-conformist, willing to use state power to maintain the
>    status-quo to the n-th degree.
>
>    Can you say "Tyrany of the Majority" ? The 'real' America is
>    semi-literate, superstitious, mal-educated little redneck
>    scum steeped in violence, prejudice and intolerance. It's not
>    so different from other 'civilized' countries in these
>    sentiments either. If you value freedom  - don't evoke the
>    great silent majority again. Democracy loses its utility as
>    soon as one group learns to use it to screw another group.
>
>-- Jim Mason : Standard Disclaimers

The first representitive government in 2000 years.  The most obese poor people 
in the world.  The best standard of linving in the world.  When are people like
you going to join us among the thinking?

R. Scharfy
Ohio State
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Want Tsongas back in the race?  Call (617)422-0100
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:16:38 GMT

In <2729@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>In article <ku64k6INN37q@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:

>>Tired of mud-slinging?  Want the campaign to get back to
>>a discussion of issues?

>>Then call Paul Tsongas' headquarters, (617) 422-0100, and say that
>>you'd like him to return to the race.  He says he's going to
>>wait another day or two before making his decision.

>You can also call (800) 881-TEAM, or (508) 441-9191.

I agree.  Tcitizens for Tsongas.

>Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor that a woman
>claiming to be another Clinton mistress will be featured
>in the May issue of _Playboy_ magazine?

I can deny it.  A woman *rumored* to be a Clinton mistress will be
featured in Playboy, but she denied it.

>Judy Drake

-- 
David M. Nieporent              |ALEast 92: 1.Baltimore 2.Boston 3.Toronto
niepornt@phoenix.princeton.edu  |4. Detroit 5.Milwaukee 6.NY 8.Cleveland
"Baseball stathead, and card-carrying member of the ACLU.  And proud of it."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Dumb, Sheltered College Puke( wasRe: Perot hang'in from a willow tree)
Keywords: WRONG NEWS GROUPS....
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:11:55 GMT

In article <sd902INN2i9@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu> strat@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:
>emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>
>
>>	This is what scares me about legalization. It's very possible
>>we'll have Joe Camel and Spuds McKenzie selling crack to our kids.
>
>So?
>
>
>Now, tobacco and alcohol are legal, but are not legally sold to
>minors.  For the most part, minors do not buy alcohol or tobacco
>because the industry is able to regulate itself.  But now, in an
>environment where the industry itself is outlawed, there is no self
>regulation.  Pushers think nothing of selling drugs to minors.

	Find a neighborhood 14-year old. Give him $5 to buy cigarettes
at the local 7-11. If your area is anything like California, chances
are the kid'll have no problem getting cigarettes. If that doesn't work,
take them to a local restaraunt, let the go in, near the bathroom will
probably be a cigarette machine. They can get them there with no supervision.
	Many studies have shown the Joe Camel/ Spuds McKenzie Charactors
appeal to minors. More teanagers smoke Camels now (by a huge margin) than did 
before the adds started. One reason Budwieser stopped using the Spuds Charactor
was the flack they got over that. 

>
>So, really, your nightmare of Joe Camel and Spuds McKenzie selling
>drugs to kids would be no more valid in a world where currently
>illegal substances are made legal.  Joe Camel would be no more likely
>to sel crack cocain to children than it is to sell cigarrettes to kids
>today.  Spuds McKenzie isn't going to promote drug use by minors.
>These things will not change.
>
	Spuds McKenzie already has promoted drug (alcohol)  use to minors.
	Joe Camel already does sell cigarettes to minors.
	Many more kids drink and smoke than take drugs just because drugs
are illegal.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: oliver@oak.math.ucla.edu (Mike Oliver)
Subject: Re: Drug Legalization. Was: College Was: Perot
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:49:25 GMT

In article <92098.181724IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:

	"The hottest places in hell are  
	 reserved for those who, in times
	 of great crisis, maintain their
	 neutrality"  -Dante           

Can you supply a reference for this quotation?  It certainly does not appear
to be from the _Inferno_ of _The_Divine_Comedy_.  There I believe the lowest
circle of hell was reserved for the Sowers of Religious Discord, or perhaps
it was for the Traitors to Their Lord (such as Judas).  These may not have
been the *hottest* places; the only actual fire I remember was for the
heretics in the City of Dis.  I could have some things mixed up here, but
I know that the Indecisive or whatever they were called were in the *highest*
circle of hell (though it actually sounded worse to me than the second
circle, which was for those driven by their passions).



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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 06:30:22 GMT


In article <8wF9iB5w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM>
djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>elf@polari.com writes:

>>You're dodging the question, Danny-boy.  Strikes me you're
>>on real shaky ground here.

Another of Elf's classic understatements.

>BTW: You should not put soc.motss in your Newsgroups line..
>They get real weird over there when they see my name

Ordinarily I try not to cross-post, even when a thread has
barged into soc.motss uninvited, as Karnes has done
repeatedly.  My response is directed primarily to soc.motss
and our regular cohort there, but I think the other groups
should see, if they haven't already, what an utter fool this
Karnes person is.  There is, indeed, some evidence that
people in the other groups already know this, though Karnes
himself seems incapable of getting a clue.

And he thinks *we're* weird!  That's the laugh of last year,
this year, and next year.

>and will send me hate mail whining about the fact that you
>put soc.motss in your post to/about/regarding me.

What's especially weird about Karnes, I think, is that he,
of all people, should use the phrase "hate mail" of
*anyone*, after all the hate and stupidity he has barfed up
in soc.motss and elsewhere from his defective.  Similarly
"whining." One does have to wonder how such a person comes
to hold such completely idiotic views.  Certainly it would
want for compassion to hate him; one should feel pity for
anyone as out of it as he is.

He's probably not the worst we have to deal with in our
lives, but he's close enough so the differences aren't very
important.

-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,sci.econ,alt.activism
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: "Government is not the solution, government is the problem!"
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:55:15 GMT

ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:

>  "Reagan Was Right: Government Is the Problem"
>  by Charlton Heston

Gee, why wasn't this crossposted to MISC.ACTIVISM.PROGRESSIVE?

MD
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18120 ca.politics:3459 ba.politics:2651 alt.politics.homosexuality:2084 soc.motss:20232
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:59:17 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

elf@polari.com writes:

>    Nobody inflicted my love of men upon me.
> 
>          Elf !!!

I feel sorry for you. :(

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18122 ca.politics:3461 ba.politics:2653 alt.politics.homosexuality:2086
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:58:22 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

elf@polari.com writes:

>    Anyway, Phil... that's good gasoline.  And no you don't have to like
> it, but you haven't the right to interrupt or interfere with it.  Trust
> me on this one, I've seen relationships like the one you describe, and
> they're very loving.  And certainly a lot more stable than your typical
> spouse-beating relationship.
> 
> >phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
> 
>       Elf !!!  (Who knows LOTS of gay people at netcom.com...)
> 

If you consider ten new partners a nite and four or five new
'relationships' a year stable.  :-!

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: B-CPU: Who, what, where, when
Keywords: Fatheads, Neo-Nazis, B-CPU
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:31:35 GMT

  Since everybody seems to want this information and nobody seems to being going
out to get it, here is what I know so far.

  I would like first to say that harassment campains are not a good idea with
groups like this.  The tend to go into the "we are being persecuted so we must
be right" mode at the drop of the hat.  Stupid as the argument is, many fringe
organizations put stock in it.

  The telephone number for the B-CPU BBS is registered to one E. Hurt of
Portland, Oregon.  It took all of 15 minutes to find this out.

  I have narrowed down this elusive E to three people, for obvious reasons I
will not list them until I know which one it is.  E. Hurt was smart enough to
not list an address, but not smart enough to make the number unlisted (go
figure).  Anyone with a library with the Portland phone book can confirm this.

  There are still a few leads I can follow, but would appreciate it if anybody,
especially those in portland, could do the same.  It is difficult to get the
information in Iowa.

                             -Kurt
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18044 alt.activism:7653
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: FAKE NEWS...WHAT WE SEE ISN'T ALWAYS NEWS - ITS PUBLIC RELATIONS
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:46:59 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9204110047.AA00201@wright.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>... 
> 'FAKE NEWS, A SPECIAL REPORT: WHAT WE SEE ISN'T ALWAYS NEWS - ITS PUBLIC 
> RELATIONS' is the title of TV Guide's February 22-28 cover story. 
> 
>...[PR firms using "news" events]...

	Gosh, next thing you know we'll have presidential candidates getting
arrested just to get air time.

:)

Brett
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From: conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.women,soc.college
Subject: Re: "Politically Correct" -- A Quote
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:45:10 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <6196@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:

>"Politically correct" was fashionable as a self descriptive among
>some leftist student activists who used it as a way of quickly
>sorting people's political views.  That was before rightists started
>using the term as a way of bashing others.


Could you please give some citations of the use of the term "Politically
Correct" (*with* its current definition of referring to non-right-wing
political views, please) by "leftist student activists" which occur PRIOR
to George Will's first use of this term in this way? 

Thanks.


Coni Britten
conib@peri.gvg.tek.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Union Dues or Taxes -- King George is Exactly Right!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:27:05 GMT

B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Stephen Tice) writes:
>Amazing. Chairman Bush is moving to enforce the restriction that
>union dues not be used to support political action against an 
>individual worker's wishes. (This is an '88 supreme court ruling.)

>Doesn't this set a precedent that an individual's *taxes* should not be
>used for political actions against an individual citizen's wishes??


Hmm, there are many parallels.  In many places you need to pay union
dues even if you don't need or want the union services, just like
taxes.  They then use the dues to pay for things other than the things
they sold you on, including things that you may find personally
repugnant.  The dues keep going up even when the union isn't really
doing anything.  You vote for representatives who turn

However, I wouldn't expect the precedent to carry because "Dues are
dues and taxes are taxes, and if we didn't have taxes then where would
we be?  And what would happen to our leased luxury cars?"
-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: HEY THE REAL BSU ELECTION SCORES!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.161917.6108@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00jlrushton@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>BSU LOCAL NEWS
>well the woman won in second election because she had big boobs 
>well that what some men voted for her...............
>women voted for her so bsu could be woman dominant!
>poor davodd most people shouted "dont vote for the fag" ............
>the results twice show this..........
>well i voted for davodd for his policy oh well
>dont vote clinton rumor he is gay with aids!

Just a reminder, folks:  don't leave your terminal unattended.
-- 
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1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Employee vs. Employer rights (was Re: What keeps me from being Lib.)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:11:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I unerstand the concerns about employers and employees being free agents, and
employers being able to hire/fire for whatever reason they please.

It's important to look at the big picture, however.

With the elimination of just the income tax, the increase in consumer spending
will make the economy bounce back like crazy.  As the drag on the economy of
big government is reduced, innovation will return to American business, and
employment will increase.  With the elimination of the minimum wage laws and
the restrictions on immigration, America will once again become a place where
anyone can come to and work hard and make a nice life for themselves, or at
least their children.

In this environmnet, a lot of the stuff you worry about will dissapear.
With full employment, it's a seller's market - with those selling their
time being the "sellers".

Even now, with high unemployment, most companies CAN'T get or retain help
for the minimum wage - the market just won't allow it.  People just find
their time and services too valuable to sell them for that price.

This doesn't completely address your concerns (or mine), but it does show
that the ideas aren't as nuts as they seem.  There's a built-in limit to
how much exploitation could really come from it.

  Thanks awfully,
           Patrick