From: Kiev.Lo@p0.f49.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Kiev Lo)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.senior
Subject: "I'm dreaming of a white christmas..."  I'd say.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:19:19 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/49.0 - The Student Exchang, Calgary Alta

  On 09 Dec 92  18:14:00, Jason Wong 
  was mumbling something to Kiev Lo 

 JW> We got around to talking about relationships today. (Notice that we
 JW> should be studying but aren't) Well, I personally think they've (at
 JW> least the other guys) have a distorted view of relationships. I
 JW> mentioned that why would you want to have a relationship (serious) with
 JW> someone if you have no intention of nurturing that relationship to
 JW> marriage? I mean, if you have no intention on commitment, why waste
 JW> your time? Well, surprisingly, some of the girls agreed with me, but

 That's what I thought.  You're right, most girls expect long romantic
 relationships with committment; and committment is the keyword.  I'm glad
 to hear that you took the time to starighten them out.

 JW> the guys basically said, well, they're out for one thing and one thing
 JW> only (I'll leave it up to you to figure out what they meant). I don't
 JW> know about you, but I find that attitude to be prepubescent and quite
 JW> disturbing. It seems like that's the kind of attitude that leads to 
 JW> problematice relationships in the future. Oh well, I think I'm
 JW> preaching here. 

 As bad as it sounds, many guys really think that's the way to go.  What
 makes me sad is seeing those Junior High Spanish (from South American
 countries) teens's macho attitude towards the opposite sex.  I've seen
 them standing on the bench at the bus-stop talking explicitly about
 sexual practices and stuff; and guess what, there were whole bunch of
 girls around listening to them as well (I assume they're classmates).
 Somehow, I think just a few of those kids are capable enough to have
 an influence on the moral values in our society.  Oh the other hand,
 I can't just blame it all on them, since they were educated under a
 society with a totally different set of values from ours.  They were
 "taught" that the more girls you get pregnaunt, the more "status" you
 have within your peer group.  (Sound familiar?)

 And yes, you did sound like a priest...  What were the girl's reaction
 when the guys said that they're "out for one thing and one thing only"?

 JW> Hey, you're not the only one that needs luck....and lots of it!:] Like
 JW> I   said before, I might be a Christmas graduate! The exams are next
 JW> week and I'm still trying to catch-up with some of the work! Looks like
 JW> I won't be sleeping next week!

 Count me in too.
 
 JW> Batman Returns was a was of money on my part. It wasn't exciting nor
 JW> was it funny. It's a good idea to wait for the tape....if even that!

 Oh well, I guess I won't even bother with that then.
 
 JW> Well, I read a review saying the costumes were very well done. I might
 JW> rent  the tape when it comes out...I don't think I'll spend money going
 JW> to the theatre in the foreseeable future.....I just can't justify the
 JW> prices that they're charging. $4 on half-price Tuesdays!!!

 It IS expensive.  And I paid full price for almost all of the movies that
 I go to, since I can't justify spending 3-4 hours out for dinner and
 watching a movie on weekdays (excluding Fridays).  It's a good thing that
 they have those Encore Theatres where you only have to pay $1 for a movie.
 The movies they show are usually one or two months old, which is not too
 bad.  I suppose you can live with that too?

 JW> I agree with you on the comment about unnecessary nudity. The way I
 JW> figure it, if a movie is good,  then it doesn't need any nudity or even
 JW> swearing. Only those mediocre movies need to resort to sex and violence
 JW> to attract an audience....unfortunately, there is quite a market out
 JW> there for those mediocre movies.

 Sad but true, isn't it.

 KL> You got that right.
 JW> Good for you. At least some of us still have our priorities right. :] 
 JW> Although I don't have an opportunity to practice those priorities.....

 Maybe you _didn't give_ yourself an opportunity to practice those
 priorities!  Oh well, I'm glad to know that there're still saints out
 there.  (sorry Jay, I was just teaseing you.)

 JW> Yeah, I do like Mandarin. I think it's a language with exquisite
 JW> sounds....  I mean the sounds are very soft and smooth. I find
 JW> Cantonese to be quite harsh. But then, I'd be happy just to be able to
 JW> learn more Cantonese. 

 I'm surprised that you notice the difference.  In fact, Cantonese is
 inferior to Mandarin.  It doesn't have the beauty of many languages
 poccess, and it's very poorly defined (that's why it's much harder to
 learn than Mandarin).  Harsh, yes, though I think "rude" is a better
 word to describe it in some cases.  And now you're probably thinking
 I'm such a Cantonese-bashing person.  ;#)
 
 JW> Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't heard of Chris Patten until now.
 JW> However,  I did hear about the proposed Airport. I know that China is
 JW> very much against it because it's so expensive. Well, we'll just have
 JW> to wait and see what'll happen.

 No prob.  Although I don't really keep up with the news in HK (the HK TV
 news that I watch each week are mostly  month old), but I know a bit.
 If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
 
 KL> Kiev.Lo@p0.f49.n134.z1.fidonet.org
 JW> Well, I've tried sending a message through internet to someone on
 JW> Fido. They don't like that. I can only send Fido Netmail to people
 JW> already on the Fido network. Anyway, I was having some problems sending
 JW> NetMail so I'll send you a test NetMail message at the same time as I
 JW> send this message. I hope you get this one.

 Yeah, it's always a pain in the neck trying to sending Internet messages
 through Fidonet (It's just so damn picky).  Well, I think you have to
 address it TO: UUCP since it's the gateway for Internet messages; also
 the first line of the message has to contain the Internet address.  So,
 if you were going to send a Internet message to me, it'd look something
 like this:

> 
>    From:  Jason Wong
>      To:  UUCP
> Subject:  Whatever
> 
> To:Kiev.Lo@p0.f49.n134.z1.fidonet.org
>
> Blah, blah, blah..  etc.

 I got both of your messages successfully.  The following is the routing
 of the Netmail you sent to me:

> -!- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.11
> @Via MsgTrack 1:244/0, Thu Dec 10 1992 at 06:37 UTC
> @Via MsgTrack+ 1:12/12, Thu Dec 10 1992 at 09:12 UTC
> @Via 1:12/12, Dec 10 04:12:29 (QM v1.23/b)
> @Via Node 1:134/10, Fri Dec 11 06:39:15 (QM v1.00)

 JW> BTW, Good luck again on your exams!

 Thanks.  Same to you.

 JW> P.S. I just read the rules & regulations for K12_SR_CHAT. I think
 JW> we're too old for this echo. I think maybe we could move our
 JW> chat to another echo. Any suggestions? BTW, I've asked the
 JW> Moderator to allow us the use of this echo until we find a
 JW> common echo to which we can move our messages.

 Really?  Did he send you a message and told you that you're too old?
 Anyways...emm...I can't think of any now...<here comes the light bulb>
 ...ahhh...how about the Netmail area?  It's okay with me since I have
 free Netmail priviledge and am able to send Netmail anywhere I want.
 Do you have to pay for Netmail on your BBS?  Does your BBS "subscribe"
 to the Fidonet HIGH_ED Echo?  That would be a good place for us to
 continue our messages too.

 Oh well, so long for now...

 There are only two elements in the universe:
       
  K  &  L 
       
 Kievium & Loium
 (oops, couldn't control that ego again)

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