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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:32:55 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <C0I6yo.892@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>It depends what you mean by anonymous.  1-800 numbers automatically
>receive a list of all numbers that called them with their bill.
><Just color me paranoid.  But the above *is* true.  (Or close to it)>

With digital switching every number you dial, including hitting a button and
hanging up can and most likely is recorded by the phone company computers.
Most police agencies, ambulances, etc have the call tracing feature which
displays the caller's number. Calls are in effect 'traced' before the first
ring, the computer does it as a matter of course. Hence the service offered
by some states for a private residence to see the caller's number, or call
blocking - refusing calls from a number, etc....

This is the age of information folks... tapping a call nowadays is all but
toally untraceable. This very modem connection could be recorded...

For an entertaining read check out The Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll... About
his tracking and catching computer crackers... He does a better job than I
at being non-technical....

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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Zyklon-B (Re: Methods file)
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:49:15 GMT
Keywords: chlorine, cl, pain

In article <ogorman.726749311@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
>
>The nazis used something called Zyklon-B for the mass murder of
>concentration camp inmates. I forget what this actually *is*. They also

Cyanide (HCN), I believe.  If you're really curious you could post a
query on soc.history.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: shit! lost it!
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:00:50 GMT

P.S. Anyone want to come here and fence foil?  Without the buttons, i mean.
If you're already in Chambana-land, so much the better!
e.k.
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: Methods file
Keywords: chlorine, cl, pain
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:48:31 GMT

In <2b50661a59703@bara.oche.de> wr@bara.oche.de (Wolfram Roesler) writes:

>In <103899@netnews.upenn.edu>, Lionel Ginzburg (lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:

>Rubbish, nothing was too horrible for the nazis to use it.
>The only reason they didn't use poison gas was that Hitler had
>gotten into a gas attack during WW1 and was panically afraid of the stuff.
>(Pity he didn't inhale more of it.) I mean, they didn't refrain from
>using it because of some "we don't want to do that to our enemy" sentimentality.

The nazis used something called Zyklon-B for the mass murder of
concentration camp inmates. I forget what this actually *is*. They also
used CO poisoning in trucks and developed the nerve agents tabun for
example (presumably for use in war). The british went for anthrax bombs
while the americans developed nukes. Moral of the story? 

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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 1 Jan 93 10:26:31 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <1992Dec30.122920.13314@bsu-ucs> 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>this is for kali....and anyone else who wants to read it, i 
>suppose.
>
>there is a "thing" called seasonal affective disorder.  i have
>it.  it's seasonal depression caused by the reduction of light
>s.a.d. can be treated with drugs or light therapy (meaning
>light, not easy), or you can just live with it 
>(assuming that your feelings aren't too bad).i just live with it.
>my cat helps, and so does my beau!  
>anyway, maybe that's what you have......
>any comments, whatever, you can e-mail me or post.
>candace

Thanks for the info..yes..it's probably the main cause of my seasonal
depression..though I don't have it this year..now that I know what it
feels like to be "halfway" normal? I hate to think of how depressed
I'd get if I have to leave here..guess..I'll just wear a little
silly palm tree hat with a light on if if I'm forced to return to the
east coast..

sigh..i could almost get depressed thinking about it..but..

well..I can't..too much sunshine


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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:20:38 CST
From: MJ <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: The Bubble Has Burst

Glad to see most of the folks here have made it through the
holidays.  Found the article below and thought it might be of
some interest to this group.  Either it is a place for some to
migrate to or it bursts the bubble of running away to a
Caribbean island to escape the problems that plague us.

Whatever. . . .

Mary

BTW, Trinidad and Tobago are the islands rumored to be the locale
of "Robinson Crusoe."  <Sigh>

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| M. Jacobs            |   This is MY view   | Discontent is the first  |
| U45301@UICVM         |    not the view     | necessity of progress.   |
| U45301@uicvm.uic.edu |     of the "U"      | --  John Steinbeck       |
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=========================================================================
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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:40:44 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <C0I08M.95r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes:
>I don't know that being political (social) animals precludes being nasty to ea

Oh, it doesn't by any means...

>other.  And, really, how nasty *could* people be if they avoided each other  
>except during mating season...when their minds are on other things? Hmmm. I 

Mating season peaceful? Ever see mountain goats fight over the female? Two
tom cats fighting over a female in heat? Birds dogfighting for supremecy?

Mating season is hardly peaceful. When basic instinct takes precedence all
peaceful pretence goes out the window... The only thing that matters is
mating, kill anyone in your way... No, hardly peaceful...

One benefit of being a 'political animal' is sensuality, not being confined
to pure sexuality...

But that's a different topic.

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From: wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: New Job Opportunity! :]
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:12:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu
Summary: Death for fun & profit
Keywords: funeral-home-industry

Found in a local classified listing (comments in square brackets by me):

"                           FAMILY SERVICE
 The leading cemetary/mausoleum sales corporation has aquired four
 Baltimore area cemeteries and is searching for a top family-service
 person.  One of the best growth opportunities we have in the United
 States [I'm not sure how to take that statement... :)  Do they know
 something I don't?].  Position requires maturity, self-starter, service
 oriented [?], big financial goals [wonder if they offer commissions? :)],
 and you're willing to work for it.  If you're considering a change,
 let's find out just what we have for each other [??]. ..."

                                  Wolffriend
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:56:35 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>loads of strength left over! Of course, when you're depressed, you do
>not perceive a problem as being something solvable, the most common
>problems are rigid ones, permanent ones, usually orientated about having
>a view of yourself as being some kind of lifeform a little above an
>amoeba but way below the Crustaceans on the evolutionary scale....
>

The well-balanced depressive regards EVERYONE ELSE as some kind of
lifeform a little above (?) the amoeba. Gives you so much more scope
for feeling pissed off.

> if anyone is interested, I doubt it though...
>
Corrollary to the above - So, who cares if anyone is interested? Plough
your own furrow, and if others fall into it you can laugh at them.

I prescribe a complete course of 'The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy' by
Douglas Adams.
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:36:14 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1993Jan7.231921.17370@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Priests, by their conviction, guarantee anonymity, and society
>still, to a large extent, believes that discussions between a person
>and his priest or doctor are private confidential matters.

Don't be so sure... some places have laws requiring doctor's to report 
certain things.. They could be liable if you off yourself and they knew you
were thinking about it... I don't think priests are liable - seperation of
church and state and all that - but they can still drop hints to authorities
if they feel it 'is in your best interest'. And I've seen crooked priests..

Those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves...
                       --Rush

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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:12:29 GMT

Anyone who knows the answer to yer question is Enlightened (tm).  Tread
cautiously around such critters.

e.k.
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and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: *HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:20:52 GMT

	No *thunk*ing for a little while...

	I had a grand time last night (or an unexpected good time).

	TBG _finally_ called (from a near-by friend's place)... I wound
up sitting around 'til 4:30am with 4 male friends talking (after a delicous
dinner - but I ate _way_ too much).  I spent the rest of the time til
my 8am class fighting off nausea from eating so much... Rather against
my desire to not miss class at all this sem., I slept through class (til
afternoon).  Ah well... suppose I'll have to be wonderful tomorrow to
make up for today.

	I bought a 6 of Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout last night... may
whoever suggested it to me be blessed.  I love the stuff (and my friends
enjoyed it as well - even though they couldn't beleive I didn't hesitate
to pay $16 for 6-pack, a rather dusty one at that). 


	I'm not sure when, but sometime yesterday the embers of life that
had seemed to only now be smoking (before becoming totally extinguished)
burst back into flames.  I've always enjoyed watching (controlled) fires 
leap from supposed dead ashes... now its calmed to a cheery glow... may
it get me through the next few months.

	Last night did alot of good... a friend (who I was planning to
visit last night anyway) reminded me [indirectly] why I left my old
situation.  Sure I miss the house and all... I know I might have been able
to fake contentment with the situation if I tried hard enough... but it
is for the best that I left.  Better to leave before preforming a 
homicide/suicide in the house...

	Time to get _something_ constructive done today (since I took the
day off to do tons of errands that I slept through...)

	Echo W. Who   
	aka Psycho Kitten

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From: zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson)
Subject: Re: Request:  Methods file.  Mail me a copy?
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:04:53 GMT

	I had a few requests for email copies of the methods list
(which I can't fulfill since I can't access the list of addresses to
send it -- they are trapped in my other account)... how about me
posting it again???

        It needs serious work... I know some others are working on it...
I planned to restart my research at the latest by this weekend.

        If you want a copy (not my version, but the one posted back in
late summer) mailed to you, let me know how you want it (30K chunks
or one long message). 

	More about the file later this week...

	Psycho Kitten
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>	...nothing like getting a cold (esp. when you _have_ to go out
>	jogging at 8am in 35 degree weather) to improve one's depressed
>	state...
>

_have_ to go jogging? Unneccessary excercise is a form of self abuse. And
its dangerous. Apparently you have seven times the chance of a heart attack
while jogging than sitting in an armchair. Q.E.D.

Anyone who feels a compulsion to this must be REALLY depressed.

Actually, maybe jogging should be added to the methods file?
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From: paulk@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Paul E. King)
Subject: Re: Quote from article
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:02:15 GMT

jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:


>"I have argued that happiness meets all reasonable criteria for a
>psychiatric disorder.  It is statistically abnormal and consists
>of a discrete cluster of symptoms; there is at least some evidence
>that it reflects abnormal functioning of the central nervous system;
>and it is associated with various cognitive abnormalities -- in
>particular, a lack of contact with reality.  Acceptance of these
>arguments leads to the obvious conclusion that happiness should be
>included in future taxonomies of mental illness, probably as a form
>of affective disorder.  This would place it on Axis 1 of the American
>Psychiatric Association's _Diagnostic and Statistical Manual_.  With
>this prospect in mind, I humbly suggest that the term "happiness" be
>replaced by the more formal description _major affective disorder,
>pleasant type_, in the interests of scientific precision and in the
>hope of reducing any possible diagnostic ambiguities."

>                              From "A Proposal to Classify Happiness
>                              as a Psychiatric Disorder", by Richard
>                              P. Bentall, in the June 1992 issue of
>                              the _Journal of Medical Ethics_, pub-
>                              lished in London.  Bentall is a senior
>                              lecturer in clinical psychology at
>                              Liverpool University.

>-- 

I have actually read the article after reading an earlier post, and then
talked over the consequences of classifying happiness as a mental illness
with some psychology friends of mine. We thought it was reasonable to
say that it may be possible to classify happiness in such a way, since
many of its symptoms (mostly resulting from "positive thinking,") require
that one denies the negative aspects of one's environment. This results in
an unrealistic view of the world, never completely supported by reality,
which justifies its interpretation as a mental disorder. Happiness is then
as much a mental illness as depression. It is probably not healthy to be
happy too much of the time just as it is not healthy to be depressed too 
much of the time. I recommend the article to anyone who is curious about it.
It is highly readable to the layman, and it is also thought-provoking and
argumentative.

paul
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Request: Methods file. Mail me a copy?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:06:44 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <9021@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> hagop@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Hagop D. Janoyan) writes:

>You can also get a copy of "Final Exit."  Any bookstore will have it,
>now that it is in paperback.  IIt has very useful, detailed
>information on how you can kill yourself using various drugs.  Of
>course, it was meant for euthenasia for the terminally ill, but it
>still is a good book for any suicidal.

Is this the one by Dr. Kavorkian (sp?) "The Suicide Doctor"?



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From: early@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Early)
Subject: New Book
Keywords: Suicide, Religion, African Americans
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: w
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:53:48 GMT

Religion and Suicide in the African-American Community
by Kevin E. Early
Forewards by Ronald L. Akers and Robert Davis

Suicide among African Americans occurs at about half the
rate with which it occurs among white Americans.  Why is the
black rate of suicide so much lower, particularly when one
considers the effects of racism and other socio-economic
factors on African Americans?  One answer that has been
offered is that churches within the African-American
community have a greater influence then among white 
Americans and that they provide amelioration of social 
forces that would otherwise lead to suicide.

To date no other book has provided an in-depth ethnographic
study of the buffering effect of the black church against
suicide.  Findings from this book indicate that there is a
consensus within the black community in terms of its attitudes
and beliefs toward suicide.  This important book will be
invaluable to sociologists and others studying contemporary
race relations and social problems.

Publisher:  Greenwood Publishing Group, Westport, CT
ISBN:  0-313-28470-9

-- 
Kevin E. Early                     Tel.:    313-370-2961
Assistant Professor of Sociology   e-mail:  early@vela.acs.oakland.edu   
Department of Sociology                     early@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Oakland University                 FAX:     313-370-4280
From: hagop@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Hagop D. Janoyan)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Request:  Methods file.  Mail me a copy?
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:38:42 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <C0CpBI.9C1@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>
>I seem to have lost (erased?) my copies of the methods file.  Could
>someone mail me a copy please?  Otherwise I'll make do on my own.

You can also get a copy of "Final Exit."  Any bookstore will have it, now that
it is in paperback.  IIt has very useful, detailed information on how you can
kill yourself using various drugs.  Of course, it was meant for euthenasia for
the terminally ill, but it still is a good book for any suicidal.

I recently gave this book to a friend as his birthday present.  I really thought
it it is the perfect birthday gift, but he didn't think so.

-- 
Hagop Janoyan
hagop@seas.ucla.edu
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Consistency (was Re: Help)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:46:54 GMT
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA

In article <1993Jan7.122651.833@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>	And since I must always speak of myself no matter what the topic
>(and you thought I didn't notice this? >grin< )... my ex asked me the other
>night if I needed someone to talk to... of course I blew it off (reflex
>action) when I really wanted to say yes.  I do need to talk to him... 

With respect, you do _not_.  You may need to talk to someone (most of us
do), but not him.

>as I told him, what interest could he have now in my problems when he wasn't
>interested in them when we were living together?

And you have just said why.

>Me: "It doesn't matter, I'll be dead soon anyway..."
>Him: "Is this something you're planning or are you just expecting it to       
>	happen?"
>Me: "(shrug shoulders) I dunno... haven't decided yet."
>Him: "Ooo-Kay... (puzzled look)" and gets back to work...

A little consistency, please! 

This is someone whom you're no longer, in today's euphemism, "seeing."
Why on earth _should_ he be interested?  What response _should_ he make,
given that you are no longer involved?  I think he said exactly the
right thing.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: if it's Tuesday it must be Halabja
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:01:56 GMT


What the hell did this have to do with ash?

-- 
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( rpowers@panix.com  )
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Summary: beyond overload...
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:43:03 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos...


	*thunk*    *thunk*   *thunk*

	...so many offers of help...

	...so hard to accept -- no matter how much I want to...

	...so difficult to do _anything_ -- even sleep...

	...so longing the cold embrace...

	
	...so tired of fighting...

	...so long...

	Psycho Kitten

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