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From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: 'Most Important' issue of 'our' times??
Keywords: Birth, Father, Mother, Wife, Death, Murree, Kashmir
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:37:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)

 [Deleted Habib's letter in which he accused me of being Kafir and ignorant 
  of Quran. Thanks God, there is no POPE in Islam and Quran's interpretation 
  is NOT assigned to ONE group. That letter deserves a seperate treatment.]

>	My dear Muslim Brother,
>           It is good that you have brought up the
>        most important issue of our times. Which is
>        eating our Muslim community like a "DIMUK".
>        Everyone knows that all of the problems we are facing
>        as a nation in Pakistan or muslims in general
>        can be solved immediately once we decide if the
>        jesus was born with or without a father. 
>        Thank you again and "Jizakallah bil khare".

      Since we don't follow his BOOK, we 'MUST' decide on the above issue. 
      After all there exist very few links(if any)  between Jesus and us.

>        [BTW I heard some people claiming that jesus
>         died in kashmir and while on his way to 
>         kashmir his mother died in Murre. I know that
                  ^^^^^^^^^
>         we have a grave in Murre (i think near
>         TV antenna) which is known as the grave
>         of "MARYAM BIBI" . Can anyone suggest
>         some historical refrences for or
>         against?]


I heard that grave is of his wife. Looking for historic evidences.

>Mirza Ilyas

Arshad Hussain
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Urdu neswgroup
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:16:37 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Keywords: URDU URDU


i give a yes for the urdu newgroup.

zafar minhas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian.telegu,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: gulati@access.digex.com (Raj K. Gulati)
Subject: ASIAN MATRIMONIAL SERVICES, INC.
Reply-To: gulati@access.digex.com
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:13:53 GMT

Dear Netters,

A few weeks ago, there was some trepidation on the net regarding the
(manner of) announcement of ASIAN MATRIMONIAL SERVICES, INC., a
company serving the relationship search needs of the Asian community.

This is to rest the few concerns that were raised.

Firstly, be it known that more that 100 persons responded directly
to AMS INC either by email or by phone/mail and a similar number of
registration forms were mailed out. Completed registration forms
are arleady coming in.

An larger number by several orders of magnitude know of AMS INC
through our sponsored advertising channels. (see below)

This company is not a high-profit operation. In fact, any profits
obtained after recovering the setup cost would be put back in to
advertising for the benefit of the clients. The company was started
with the view that such a service is lacking for the Asian community
particularly here in the U.S. and Canada.

Soon, a newsletter service will also begin. This is free to the
clients, and is an added facility provided on top of the personalized
matching that AMS INC provides by contract. The newsletter will
contain personal ads, a selected number each month. Portions of
the newsletter will be provided as a community service on the
various computer networks to which AMS INC has access.

A few flames on the net hinted to the so-called commercial use of
the net. AMS INC is incorporated to protect the owners. The
service is a social one, and is provided in full appreciation
and realization of how vastly spread and well-settled the various
Asian communities are, yet how few avenues exists for their
integration and communication.

You may direct any further communication to:

    gulati@access.digex.com

    70323,1430 (compuserve)

    R.GULATI  (GEnie)

    -or-

    Anju V. Gulati
    President and Owner
    ASIAN MATRIMONIAL SERVICES, INC.
    P.O. Box 2485, Gaithersburg
    MD 20886-2485
    (301)-216-2188

In summary then, AMS INC by no means relies on the use of the internet
to run its operation. Current advertising includes

    More than 10 major newspapers and newsletters

    2 indian radio stations

    25 U.S./Canadian Asian Student Populaces

    Flyers in various ethnic stores, restaurants, and
    clothing enterprises

    Other avenues...

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or dating, or marriage that you seek, please contact us.

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From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus, his birth and miracles
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:41:25 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Subject: Re: Jesus: His birth and Miracles
Summary: Please be consistent....


>>Quran says Jesus was an ordinary man. He and his mother both used to eat
>>food. All ORDINARY men have PARENTS. See below (B) for the verse.

> Do you mean to say, then, that Adam (AS) was not an ordinary man?

Adam's issue is related to beginning of the universe, earth, and it is
of more philosophical and theological nature than that of Jesus who came just 
2000 years ago and historic evidences exist about him.

>>Quran says plainly that those who DIE are NOT sent back: 39:42. 
>>"Allah takes(men's) souls at the time of their death and those that die not,
>>during their sleep. Then He WITHHOLDS those on whom He has passed DEATH and 
>>sends the OTHERS back till an appointed term." Also see 23:100.

> I assume you will also acknowledge that a living body without a soul is not 
> a live person. If you then accept the above verse as being true, (which can be
> assumed as you provided it as evidence), then you must surely admit that 
> we all die whenever we sleep.
> So why do you include this Aya, when it contradicts what you just said? 
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 There is no contradiction. Please read the verse again and enjoy the beauty
of analogy.

>>All these are related to giving spiritual life to the deads. That's what
>>prophets do.

>If all that the Prophets do is give spiritual life to the dead,
>please explain the apparent contradiction between what you say
>and what is written within the Taurat, Zabur, Injil, and Qur'an.

Sir, the job of prophets was to revolutionize the lives of people: to uplift
them from the depths of darkness. This mission, they achieved by their own
character, honesty, integrity, patience and selfless work. I cannot 
trivialize their achievements by believing that they turned their sticks into 
snakes or they talked with insects and birds.  


>-AQ

Arshad Hussain
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:56 MST
From: Nadeem Haque <ICNXH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Urdu Urdu
 <1992Oct1.042930.28263@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

the previous post by ali minai was very informative on the subject of
a convention for writing urdu using english keyboards. I think it calls
for some research to find out if some work was done on the subject
before. I'll try to use my resources. It'll save us from reinventing
the wheel.
i feel that there is a lot that can be achieved  by using upper/lower
case letters to distinguish urdu sounds.
a convention will make it much more fun to read urdu.

nadeem.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 01:08:58 EDT
From: <343DALN@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: yesterday's tomorrow is today
 <BuqpxC.4qs@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Sep18.155949.26791@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
 <1992Sep18.222059.2952@athena.mit.edu>
 <1992Sep24.161609.210@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

Salam:

       Pehchan pai hai naz to pehchan jaiyee.. I can simply add:  I am alive I
am in usa (trying to survive)

           Agar tum mil bhi jao ittifaqan
           Teri furqat ke sadme kam na hungue
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: bmb@siren.cs.wayne.edu (Amir M. Baig)
Subject: FLOOD IN PAKISTAN... IT'S TIME TO PAY BACK!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:04:41 GMT




Dear Brothers & Sisters :


		Assalam-o-Alaikum


HELP YOUR BROTHERS IN PAKISTAN DISPLACED BY THE WORST HIT

FLOODS OF THIS CENTURY. ABOUT 3000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MARTYRED 

AND MORE THAN HALF A MILLION HAVE BEEN RENDERED HOMELESS

ALONGWITH A HUGE LOSSS TO THE PROPERTY. AN EMERGENCY CONDITION 

HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED IN THE EFFECTED AREAS COVERING MOST OF THE

COUNTRY. 


RELIEF EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY. YOU ARE REQUESTED TO PRAY FOR THE EFFECTED

PEOPLE AND CONTRUBUTE, WHATEVER YOU CAN , TO HELP PROVIDE FOOD AND

URGENT SHELTER TO THE NEEDY.    


ABDUL SATTAR EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION IN NEWYORK , IS COLLECTING 

DONATIONS TO BE SENT TO THE EDHI TRUST IN PAKISTAN. EDHI TRUST HAS

ALREADY STARTED RELEIF WORK FOR THE FLOOD IN PAKISTAN. 


CHECKS COULD BE WRITTEN FOR 

	" EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION" 


	AND MAILED TO 



	 EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION

	 42-07 NATIONAL STREET

	 CORONA, NY, 11368



NOTE:  All donations are tax deductible and a reciept will be sent to
you by the foundation at your home address

		* In order for your contribution to be spent in flood relief
		only write "For Pakistan Flood RElief" on your check.


JAZAKALLAH KHAIR


Sohail Khan
Amir Baig

bmb@pandora.cs.wayne.edu

Wayne state university, Detroit, Michigan.
From: asiddiqu@diana.cair.du.edu (ALTAF SIDDIQUI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: FLOOD RELIEF FUND
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:52:40 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

This is an appeal to all for humanitarian aid to "Flood affected people of
Pakistan". Recently, as you all might have known that Pakistan has been struck
by the worst floods of its history- the damage has been unprecedented where overtwo thousands are dead, about three million have been uprooted, the communication infrastructure has been severely damaged, more than 50% crops have been destroyed and disease is spreading in affected areas. The people of Pakistan are contributing a great deal of help, but damage being so vast requires our assistance.
Within USA, flood relief account has been opened at number of places where contributions can be deposited. In Denver (Colorado USA), the following people are
collecting flood relief fund. Contributions can be made in cash or through a
check payable to "Pakistan Flood Relief Fund".
1. Syed Nasir Ali (Phone:303-337-3093)
2. Tariq Niazi (Phone:303-363-0827)
	Address: 11494 East Center Ave.
	Aurora, CO 80012 USA
3. Mian Nawaz (Phone:303-680-5420)
With regards and love
May God Bless you all
Altaf.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari Border Dispute Yesterday.
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:06:29 GMT

In article <11242@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>In article <BvHFt4.G9A@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>
>>Yeah just another example to the world of Arab and Islamic unity.
>>  We just never learn do we. Every time just blame the west and talk about
>>  our victories 500 years ago......... stuff deleted ........
>> ............
>> Lahori (LHL 111 ) Poond
>
>Arab and Islamic unity is a stupid silly concept.  Neither Arab nor
>Islamic culture ........... stuff deleted ..........
>................
>potentially dangerous competitor.
>-- 
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whew! and I thought my parents have named me with a long name

	Yasin.
>
>The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi)
Subject: Re: FLOOD IN PAKISTAN... IT'S TIME TO PAY BACK!
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:17:52 GMT

|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Dear Brothers & Sisters :
|> 
|> 
|> 		Assalam-o-Alaikum
|> 
|> 
|> HELP YOUR BROTHERS IN PAKISTAN DISPLACED BY THE WORST HIT
|> 
|> FLOODS OF THIS CENTURY. ABOUT 3000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MARTYRED 
|> 





   Please note that 3000 people have not been martyred but have died due to

 due to the floods.










|> AND MORE THAN HALF A MILLION HAVE BEEN RENDERED HOMELESS
|> 
|> ALONGWITH A HUGE LOSSS TO THE PROPERTY. AN EMERGENCY CONDITION 
|> 
|> HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED IN THE EFFECTED AREAS COVERING MOST OF THE
|> 
|> COUNTRY. 
|> 
|> 
|> RELIEF EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY. YOU ARE REQUESTED TO PRAY FOR THE EFFECTED
|> 
|> PEOPLE AND CONTRUBUTE, WHATEVER YOU CAN , TO HELP PROVIDE FOOD AND
|> 
|> URGENT SHELTER TO THE NEEDY.    
|> 
|> 
|> ABDUL SATTAR EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION IN NEWYORK , IS COLLECTING 
|> 
|> DONATIONS TO BE SENT TO THE EDHI TRUST IN PAKISTAN. EDHI TRUST HAS
|> 
|> ALREADY STARTED RELEIF WORK FOR THE FLOOD IN PAKISTAN. 
|> 
|> 
|> CHECKS COULD BE WRITTEN FOR 
|> 
|> 	" EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION" 
|> 
|> 
|> 	AND MAILED TO 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	 EDHI INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION
|> 
|> 	 42-07 NATIONAL STREET
|> 
|> 	 CORONA, NY, 11368
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> NOTE:  All donations are tax deductible and a reciept will be sent to
|> you by the foundation at your home address
|> 
|> 		* In order for your contribution to be spent in flood relief
|> 		only write "For Pakistan Flood RElief" on your check.
|> 
|> 
|> JAZAKALLAH KHAIR
|> 
|> 
|> Sohail Khan
|> Amir Baig
|> 
|> bmb@pandora.cs.wayne.edu
|> 
|> Wayne state university, Detroit, Michigan.
|> 
 
From: mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi)
Organization: Univ. Western Ontario, London Ont. CA
Subject: Re: FLOOD IN PAKISTAN... IT'S TIME TO PAY BACK!
Keywords:
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Madona's new song and Allah..Allah....
Date: 4 Oct 1992 15:08:31 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.

In article <1992Oct4.042306.9738@massey.ac.nz>, S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> What do you think Zakir Abidi.? Is Allah is only yours ? Ca'nt Madona
|> has any right to "remember" her in her own style  ?
|> 
|> "lakam dina kum wali-edin". meaning for you there is a different path
|> and for there is a different path.
|> So, let them adopt the path of "sins". You do not follow that path. That
|> is it.
|> 
|> Ghazanfar
		_____________stuff delited________________________

	Dear, Ghazanfar.

	I am sorry to say but you totally misunder-stood my posting. My posting
	was only for those, for example, Jammatiees who also involved in such
	activities. In my personal opinion I am only responsible for my own act.
	I don't care what Madona or Salman Rushidi(sp?) says about Islam. I have
	firm belief on sur`a "Aababile."
	Ghazanfar Bhai, my posting was just for prototype Jammatiees. In my
	humble opinion this is a good time for so called "Jammat-e-Islami" party to
	organize a protest against Modona in Karachi. 
	Take it easy, have fun.

	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Waseem)
Subject: PIA plane crashed
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:08:17 GMT

It was very sad to hear that a
PIA plane to khatmandu crashed today.
All passengers (mostly pakistanis) died.

May Allah rest their souls (Ameen)
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Looking for Mr. Aziz (probably) from NASA, ref. Remote Sensing
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:56:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arkansas

few months back i posted a request for my thesis on remote sensing.

one probably Mr. Aziz (not sure about the name) contacted me, he
said he was working for NASA.

if possible kindly contact me Mr. Aziz, email me please,

if someone else working for NASA can respond to this posting
i will be obliged..

thanks

amer-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: How much is an Iraqi dinar worth?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.015507.7005@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD) writes:
>
>In article <BvEwwy.3y7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> memg2102@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>> I am curious to know how much an Iraqi dinar is worth (in dollars).  I
>> would greately appreciate the information.
>> Marlon Menezes
>> memg2102@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>
>NEW YORK (UPI) (Oct 1,1992) -- Foreign Exchange interbank buyer rates and
>foreign currency equivalents, provided by Bloomberg Financial Markets and other
>sources. Retail transactions provide fewer units of foreign currency
>per dollar.
>                      U.S.$           currency
>                      Equivalent      per U.S.$
>                      Thu     Wed     Tue     Wed
>
>[deleted]
>
>Iraq dinar         2.6504  2.6504  0.3773  0.3773
>
>
>Kamal Mubarak.

So how many mangoes can that buy?

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yousuf@bnr.ca (Yousuf Saifullah)
Subject: Request for a nazm by Faraz
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 18:17:42 GMT

Long time ago I heard a nazm by Faraz. I could only recall these
three lines form that nazm

ub kis ka jashn manatay ho
oos mulk ka jo taqseem hoa
oos tun mun ka jo do neem hoa

If somebody out there can post this nazm on scp, or at least tell
me about the name of the book which contains this nazm.

Thanks,
Yousuf Saifullah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: Squash: World Open
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:59:30 GMT

Jansher Khan won his 4th World Open title with a 15-11 15-9
10-15 15-6 victory over Chris Dittmar (Aus) at Johannesburg.

Dittmar opened fluently and, forcing his opponent to concede
four errors, took a lead of 9-3. Jansher came back strongly
to level the score in a single hand and then, from 9-11,
went on to win the next 10 rallies winning the 1st game and
going into a 4-0 lead in the 2nd game. Dittmar made a
spirited recovery by winning the 3rd game in just 5 hands
that took 18 min. In the 4th game Jansher, striking the ball
at a blistering pace and with skillful placement, had
Dittmar scurrying all over the court. It lasted only 12
minutes. 

On Fri. JK had beaten Austin Adarraga of Spain 3-1 and CD
had beaten Rodney Martin (Aus) in the semis. Earlier
Jahangir Khan had retired from the championship due to
injury in the 2nd round (he was tied 2-2 with the British
champion Peter Marshall). It may very well have been his
last match (Jahangir had announced that he would retire at
the end of the current season). 

Not to be outdone by fellow cricket columnists, the
correspondent for The Observer felt that, by retiring,
Jahangir had denied the Brit "the official victory he
deserved" plus some more in the
"what-should-flow-thru-the-bowels-starts-flowing-thru-their-pens"
mould. 

Meanwhile somewhere in Australia doctors are still trying to
treat Rodney Martin who, for apparently no reason, is
showing symptoms of acute cerebral disorder. ("I hope he
goes on to beat Jansher Khan in the final. I don't want the
title to go to Pakistan". RM after losing to CD in the
semi-final.) 

It has also been learnt that both Alan Lamb & Alan Border,
in the interest of the game, have decided to expose how the
two Pakistani players have cheated their way to the top; it
will appear in The Sunday Whines.
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: When Omer sharif performing in N.J. ???
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:17:50 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons...

	Hello netters,

	Can any one post the information that when Omer is performing in
        New Jersy this week.

	thanks 

	Zakir Abdi
From: fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid)
Subject: Re: Asian models?
Summary: libas
Keywords: modelling agencies and advertising
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Distribution: world,na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:56:52 GMT

In article <BvM880.3MF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
> 
>  If I remember correctly there was a magazine called 'Libas' in which there
> were quite a few girls from Asia. I think I should refrain from naming some of
> them ;). This magazine was I think published from the U.K but had quite a few
> Asian models.

This magazine was geared to the 'desi' market and also not cheap! 

>          In my opinion the reason why we dont see so many or maybe any Asian
> models is because of the cultural background. It is generally frowned upon for
> a girl to advertize in such a manner. I dont think that it is the case of

I'm sure most of us are aware of the difficulties facing asian/desi 's aspiring
to be models.

> lighter skin or darkerskin. If there were more Asian models willing to model

I was referring to black/white audience marketing...but now that you mention it
even within our community 'lighter' skin is favoured over 'darker' skin...seen 
in selection of Libas models too.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Farha Khurshid                               email: fkhurshi@uk.ac.mrc-crc
Imperial Cancer Research Fund                     : f_khurshid@icrf.icnet.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models?
Keywords: modelling agencies and advertising
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:36:24 GMT
Distribution: world,na
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Oct5.145652.6389@crc.ac.uk> fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>In article <BvM880.3MF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>>  If I remember correctly there was a magazine called 'Libas' in which there
>> were quite a few girls from Asia. I think I should refrain from naming some 

>This magazine was geared to the 'desi' market and also not cheap! 

	   Libas is targeted toward the `desi' market which is struggling
for identity... a group that tries its level best to be westernized,
but knows that they will never be one of the Jones.	   	   

>>          In my opinion the reason why we dont see so many or maybe any Asian
>> models is because of the cultural background.

>I'm sure most of us are aware of the difficulties facing asian/desi 's aspiring
>to be models.

	   That difficulty has not stopped couples of Lesbian strippers,
who carry a Quran to every performance (see New Statesman article in
Dec91/Jan92), or some desi porn movies. In fact, the funny thing about
the desi porn movies is that there is a dearth of guys... reportedly
only one bearded desi dude is willing to go to great length to capture
his talents on the tube. :-)

>I was referring to black/white audience marketing...but now that you mention it
>even within our community 'lighter' skin is favoured over 'darker' skin...seen 
>in selection of Libas models too.
>Farha Khurshid                               email: fkhurshi@uk.ac.mrc-crc


	   Personally, I prefer tanned desi girls, but in general, Ms.
Khurshid might have a point there. 

	   Salman [out of control Pakistani] Azhar



-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar