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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dreams & Bud
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:51:29 GMT
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
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David Daniels (dc@ais.org) wrote:
: Does anyone notice a huge difference in the way you dream while high, than
: when sober, or is it just me?  When I go to sleep high, I seem to be able to
: remember a lot of my dreams, and they are more intence (nightmares, etc.)...
  I always found the reverse.  When I used to smoke a lot of pot, I found 
that either it was reducing REM sleep or impairing my recall.  Remembering
dreams at all became very rare. 
  I have used next to no pot for the last two and a half years now, since
being warned that I had developed the initial stages of emphysema.  I now 
seem to either dream more vividly or recall them better.  If you are 
interested in techniques to help you remember dreams, check alt.dreams.
  BTW, I attribute the emphysema to my eight years of smoking cigarettes:
usually unfiltered, frequently clove cigarettes.  Stupid?  No question.
  -- Clifton

--
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From: hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:58:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:

>civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>[...]
>>Thus,the WosD has resulted in an increase of "drug-deaths" by five times.

>Be careful with your numbers -- I doubt you (or anyone) can come up
>with an exact figure of something like this, and pretending that you can
>tends to weaken your argument more than it strenghtens it. (And for all it's
>worth, I think the WoD has probably brought about a lot more deaths than
>even that).

>-Peter

I think the "5 times" is an extrapolation based upon the alcohol
prohibition experience coupled with drugs seized in police raids.
However, you point is taken.

I have argued elsewhere that the WoD can conceivably be invoked
as a factor in the 100s of thousands of deaths each year from
tobacco smoking.  Safer illegal drugs could perhaps substitute
for tobacco but, more to the point, the actions of the government
in placing impediments in the way of the commercial introduction
of the smokeless cigarette has prevented this safer alternative
from becoming available to consumers.  Enjoying a drug SAFELY is
immoral according to our government so nicotine users must either
brave the carcinogens for their pleasure or take the drug by 
prescription via a patch, which elimates all pleasure from the drug.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:39:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University


Not that I encourage heroin use, but a fairly objective source
(_The Case for Legalizing Drugs_ by Richard Lawrence Miller) seems
to indicate to me that heroin is not the hellish stuff it is painted
to be in the previous post.  I would still be VERY cautious about
getting any, since it's frequently subject to being cut with bad stuff.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                        Love reads like a bad biography:
               All the names are changed to protect the innocent
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:43:18 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
: 
: >There are .22 automatics, yes. Converting a semi to full is not impossible.
: 
: I have never seen a .22 cal machine pistol or submachine gun, but one netter
: wrote me that Ruger 10-22s .22 LR rifles have been made (or remade?) in
: full auto and can be had in those states like Colorado which allow it.
: There has still been no link presented tying .22, .32 or 9mm cases
: lying around in Oakland to any full autos, though.

The federal government has prohibited the production of fully automatic
weapons for civilians. As such, no new such firearms may be legally produced.
The state may allow possession, with proper federal licensing, but they
cannot allow manufacture. Any such firearms would be illegally manufactured.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Organization: American Math. Society
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:12:55 GMT

In article <65643@cup.portal.com> tetra@cup.portal.com (daniel TetraHedon willits) writes:

   >Alan Harder writes:
      >> ...ingredients include acetone, toluene, muriatic or hydrochloric acid
      >> officials said."

      >> Coming soon to a dealer near your!

   >Coming soon to a dealer near your favorite mortuary it sounds like!  I can't
   >imagine what one could really concoct out of those ingredients except perhaps
   >some rather nasty, vaporous solvent.

Well, the "officials" only said that the ingredients for *making* CAT
"included" those chemicals.  I'm sure that they didn't give a complete
list of chemicals and instructions. ;-)  

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Tim Leary's address?
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:11:41 GMT

Does anyone out there know
                   a) if Tim Leary has internet access
                   b) if so, what his e-mail address is?

I also heard he runs a BBS somewhere. Could someone tell me where, and how to get at it?

Thanx

Francis Bryan
please don't send me mail at this login
it isn't mine i just happen to be here right now
send me any replies or e-mail to dknren01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
thanks
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A Desperate Attempt
Date: 07 Sep 92 10:05
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

jos@and.nl (Jos Horsmeier) writes:
> 
> BTW what's wrong with me .sig then eh? ;-)

It should be upside down?

--ralf aka the mgt
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: more PDFA nonsense
Date: 5 Sep 1992 22:37:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I pulled this ad out of a magazine in a doctors office a few
months ago.  It shows a picture of a well dressed young
woman wringing her hands nervously.  

------------------------------------------------------------------
Never give an addict a second chance.

Confront someone in your company who's using drugs.
This is what you're likely to hear:  "I'll never use drugs
again.  I promise."

But drugs lie.  The people don't lie.   The drugs do.
Drugs own the person who uses them.  Thats the danger
of addiction. The addict promises, and the drugs break
the promise.

You have to say, "Get well or get out."  You can't afford
to give an addict a second chance.  The addict can afford it
even less.

An addict's only chance is treatment.  If you don't have a
treatment program in your company, please call 1-800-843-4971.
That's the National Institute on Drug Abuse hotline for
managers and CEOs.  Its manned by trained Employee Assistance
Program Planners and designers, from Monday through Friday,
9:00 AM to 8:00 PM Eastern Time.

They won't tell you what to do, but they can outline the options.
Call now; please don't pass up this chance.

Partnership for a Drug Free America

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:04:13 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>	I've read it as being 1.5 to 2.5 as potent.   I believe the 
>reason is that is crosses the bb barrier faster and more effeciently.

   The standard dose of morphine i.v. is 10 mg. The same for heroin is 2 mg.
I've read it being even ten times more potent. Don't believe everything
you read.
-- 
Jani Heinonen                    "Tonight when I chase the dragon,
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
                                  And the silver will turn to gold
                                  Time out of mind."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.091658.24274@news.iastate.edu>, magick@iastate.edu (Magick Man) writes:
>I'm interested in the morning glory/baby woodrose formula for making an LSD
>derivitive as described in the Anarchist's Cookbook. I'm worried about
>ingesting it without making sure it is safe. If someone can give me any methods
>to make sure this is safe, please mail me.

The recipe described in TAC is (at best) a simple alkaloid extraction. 
There is no LSD.  Some of the alkaloids are similar, though.  You can get
the full effect by grinding (or chewing thoroughly) the seeds and swallowing
them.  There is no need to add benzene or ether.

Side effects are nausea and possible vomiting.  Once these effects pass, the
experience is very similar to LSD.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Idea for New Drug
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:55:28 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <92253.193957NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
>technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body without cutting
>you to pieces.
>  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you in to kee
>p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong magnetic
>field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If you move w
>hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
>direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.

Something that PSUVM seems to specialize in.  The reason they want you
to keep still is that they won't get a good image otherwise.  That's all.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:09:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.111551.27671@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
> ...
>>.32 caliber ammo is directly exchangeable with 7.65mm ammo, and 7.65 is
>>a NATO standard, so, yes, many, many weapons take .32 caliber ammo. ...

  Pretty high density of misunderstanding here - to start with
the "caliber" can refer to the bore diameter, and also to the
name of the round.  The .32 ACP round is known in Europe as the
7,65mm round.  The U.S. designation of .30 caliber refers to the
same bore/bullet diameter as does 7.62mm.  However the rifle cartridge
known as 7.62 NATO is absolutely, totally NOT exchangeable with the
.32 ACP or 7,65mm pistol cartridge.  (The diameters are only about
0.004" different, but the cartridges are *very* different.)

> ...
>	What NATO armies still use .32 ACP, that very outdated and 
>feeble round?

  I think that Richard was confused and lumped together all sorts of
different types of ammo - and was trying to make some unsupported
points as a result of his confusion.  It is common for people
who misunderstand something to try to use it in an argument.
> ...

--henry schaffer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:39:14 GMT

civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
[...]
>Thus,the WosD has resulted in an increase of "drug-deaths" by five times.

Be careful with your numbers -- I doubt you (or anyone) can come up
with an exact figure of something like this, and pretending that you can
tends to weaken your argument more than it strenghtens it. (And for all it's
worth, I think the WoD has probably brought about a lot more deaths than
even that).

-Peter

pfcouvar@amhux3.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: somesite@somewhere (Mr. Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] I hope this finally works...
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:10:53 GMT



Provided this test message works, alt.drugs now has an automatic anonymous
posting facility...


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:58:42 GMT

starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
: }
: }Possibly. There would always be something else illegal that they could sell.
: }Do they have automatic weapons, or is it a bunch of WOD hype?
: 
: They do have automatic weapons, indeed.  There are residents of Oakland who
: pick up spent shells from their yards every morning, as if they grew there:
: 32 caliber, 9mm, 22 caliber, etc.

None of these are necessarily from automatic weapons. Please define the term,
as you use it.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: 900thousand babies born addicts in US
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.064314.1525@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby) writes:
|> 
|>      One fact about the "crack baby" myth.  In 81% of the cases where the
|> doctor says that a baby is a "crack baby", the mother was never tested for
|> drugs.

Can you provide a reference for this statement? The number seemed awefully
specific to be an estimate off the top of your head, and I would like to
use this statistic in debate if possible. However, I do not use figures that
I can't back up.

-- 
Dave Waller
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Workstation Systems Division
Sunnyvale VAB Consulting
(408) 746-5324
From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: calling all chemists
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:13:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


From reading the FAQ we all know that crack is made from
combining cocaine (HCL) with baking soda and water.  My 
understanding of the process is that the soda combines with
the HCL leaving the cocain base.  This process is sped up by 
heating it.  Now I've heard of 3 other things and wonder
what they would do, in lay men's terms:

1. after the process mentioned above, adding ammonia to
"bulk up" the product.  Would this work?  This would answer the question posted here about what is added to street crack to make it cheaper.

2. combining cocaine (HCL) with ammonia and waiting, turns
into crack, needs to be washed alot

3. the above process but heating the mixture.

What does ammonia do?  What would it do to the base?

Thanks
P.
-- 
"We're desperate, Get used to it,
  It's kiss or kill" - X
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] I hope this finally works...
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:48:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

somesite@somewhere (Mr. Anonymous) writes:
: 
: 
: Provided this test message works, alt.drugs now has an automatic anonymous
: posting facility...

Depends on what you mean by working. It shows as having been posted by
you, Lamont.

We will see what the header looks like, when someone else does a posting.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: ALTERNATIVE (was: Re: Fuck You All)
From: feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:45:45 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

> In article <BuAowu.A4v@well.sf.ca.us> hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us (Hugo Gonzalez) writes:
>> [miscellaneous racist shit]

In article <1992Sep9.062912.17244@cunews.carleton.ca>,
        wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca <Anil Prasad> replies: 
> Take your hate propaganda elsewhere cabbagehead. You make me ill.
> I can't believe jerks like you have access to the net.
> 
> Anil Prasad
> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
> 
> 

Hate begets itself. Don't get sucked in; break the cycle. If attitudes
like that really are wrong, as I think we agree they are, let's take the
initiative and demonstrate a better way to be.

Josh                   "Let peace begin with me"
feinstei@sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.sex
From: danielm@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Maskit)
Subject: Re: UPDATE: F*** You All UPDATE!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:09:11 GMT

The idea of appealing to the government to 'police the Internet' is bad. First,
they are indeed likely to crack down on some of the more alternative of the
alt newsgroups. Second, they might use this as another excuse for trying
to get permission to monitor e-mail and other electronic communications. Third,
they might try to gain tighter control over what goes on on the net (which is
what this appeal asks them to do). As a research scientist, who is strongly
interested in personal, academic and intellectual freedom, this is an idea
that could devalue the Internet far more than the cost of people posting
stupid inflammatory messages.

Now, as for the cost of this posting. It is probably true that people with
modems, who are paying for their connect time are paying for this junk. But 
these people are paying far more to read the responses, than they paid to
read the original. As for the net itself, the real cost is probably in
set up and flat fees (leased lines, hardware, etc.). There is probably 
enough surplus power that occasional blips like this flamewar, distributed
over the entire net, are negligible. Also, there is more cost to the net
(if such is a valid statistic) from people including entire messages they
are responding to as a amtter of course than this entire exchange has
generated.

Finally, this topic doesn't belong in any newsgroups but alt.flame. I am
posting this to the two groups which might have people who would write to
their Senators. Aplogies fro wasting everyone else's time with this.

	-Daniel
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:41:52 GMT


 Before the chemists out there turn on their flamers, I want to correct an
error in my last post on this subject. I said something about OXIDATION of
cathinone into ephedrine, but I MEANT REDUCTION. How could I have been so
silly?


St. Anthony

--
        CH3  O            CH(CH3)2        |      dadaMatrix
           >-P-S-CH2CH2-N<            VX  |                       
    CH3CH2O               CH(CH3)2        |     aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
                                          | A kinder gentler lobotomy...
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:12:22 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <HABA.92Sep11195119@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:
>
>It certainly is not worth making while it can be easily extracted from
>the poppies. However, it is not hard to make. As a matter of fact
>the symmetry makes it very easy. (Just make the halves and combine them.)
>Take a look at half of morphine and notice how simple it is!

    Either you have no idea of what you're talking about in general, or you
are mistaking the structure of morphine for another substance.  Morphine is
highly asymmetric, has no discernable "halves", and remains a difficult
synthesis.

>I guess your easy differs from mine. As an easy sysnthesis I mean something
>like 10 steps or so. Something like THC (50-100 steps) is what I consider
>(very) difficult.

    Here's an idea....post your proposed morphine synthesis ("10 steps or
so") and show us how easy it is.

    BTW, published THC syntheses are far less complex than those for
morphine; the only difficult step is the separation of alkene positional
isomers at the end.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.024318.21014@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>: 
>: >There are .22 automatics, yes. Converting a semi to full is not impossible.

Andy Freeman has $2000 for you if you can do it.

>: I have never seen a .22 cal machine pistol or submachine gun, but one netter
>: wrote me that Ruger 10-22s .22 LR rifles have been made (or remade?) in
>: full auto and can be had in those states like Colorado which allow it.

"Carbine" Williams, credited with inventing the M1 Carbine, also built a
full-auto .22LR rifle which he hoped to sell to the military, but it never
sold.  Then there all the 5.56 NATO (.22 on steroids) firearms ...

>The federal government has prohibited the production of fully automatic
>weapons for civilians. As such, no new such firearms may be legally produced.

Recent circuit court rulings, i.e., U.S. v. Rock Island Armory and
U.S. v.  Dalton, portend a change in this area.  In Rock Island Armory
the court said that the National Firearms Act is constitutionally valid
only under tax law (that's the reason for the "transfer tax" baloney),
and if the government is not collecting the transfer tax on new machineguns
it may not regulate manufacture of new machineguns.  In Dalton, the court
ruled that possession of an unregistered machinegun cannot be prohibited
for essentially the same reason.  These ruling only apply in the respective
circuit courts, and even so, you'd have to be a masochist to tangle with
the BATF on this.  Of course, the BATF disagrees with these circuit court
rulings and will continue to prosecute anyone who violates BATF interpre-
tation of the law.

>The state may allow possession, with proper federal licensing, but they
>cannot allow manufacture. Any such firearms would be illegally manufactured.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs