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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Signalling one's desire to pass
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:18:20 GMT

In article 1addqnINNa66@gilligan.East.Sun.COM, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:

> Why is it that we have an accepted
>signalling convention (left-hand blinker) to indicate one's
>desire to pass, but that signal is so ambiguous that it is
>often ignored. I think that the headlights off (in darkness)
>or on (in the daytime) should be the way to signal one's de-
>sire to pass, because it is much easier to see, and also not
>quite as intrusive as flashing one's brights.
>
>Comments? Better ideas?
 
Well, I don't know what the laws are out your way, but here in Canada,
every car built since 1990 inclusive has lights that come on with the
engine like a motorcycle. My car is older,and has lights that flip up
when I switch them on. Your idea would have worked a few years ago here.
If you have a newer Canadian spec. car, you can't legally turn the lights 
off even if you install a kill switch. The old convention was to have
the lights on in the day for funeral processions or fog. The only way
to signal a left-lane bandit with these new cars is to flash the HI-Beams
at him/her. And that's what left lane bandits deserve anyway, or pass them
on the right and merge back into the left lane just missing the bandit's
front bumper. That usually wakes them up.

Andy.

PLEASE EXCUSE MY OBVIOUS IGNORANCE. 

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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: (Defeating) The Club
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:14:39 GMT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

The simplest anti-theft system I've seen, yet one of the most effective
is a driver-installed cut-off valve on the fuel line, and possibly a
cut-off switch for the positive battery cable.

I had both installed in a '71 Nova that was a theft target due to the
aftermarket work I had done on it, but simply getting a marine-quality
switch, drilling a hole on the floor of the passenger side of the car,
and mounting the switch there stopped both of the assholes who tried to
steal the car.

Second asshole was still trying to figure out how to hot-wire it when my
friend & I got back to the car. He apologized right about the time he
caught a 1/2" breaker bar in the face the fourth or fifth time. I
believe he was sincere. I didn't even ask him to replace the vent
window, nice guy that I am. :)



--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Laser Jammer Sighting?
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:59:16 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:

>Why would it scan?  I dunno.  But the fact that this device was mounted on
>a black car might give the driver enought of an advantage(in longer lock-on
>times) that he could use a slower scan at this stage of development.  It  
>probably would be better in terms of constant coverage to have the emitter
>on full-width all the time, but this setup may yield a wider angle of cover-
>age and use less power.  

WHY do you guys drop into these deep discussions based on NO understanding
of the topic?  

Here are a few facts.  First off, there is a company
that advertises in "Kit Car" magazine that makes all the stuff necessary
to make your car look like "Kit" from that TV show.  That includes the
LED scanner.  Someone's idea of customizing, I guess.  Second, a scanning
jammer such as you described simply would not work.  Anyone who knows 
enough about electronics to build a true jammer would presumably
have done a bit of homework to learn how the LIDAR works.  One 
important aspect is under ideal (worst for us) conditions, the Laser
Atlanta/Kustom Signals LIDAR can acquire a reading in a few milliseconds.
In practice it seldom works that way but one does not design jammers
for typical cases.  Third, no IR laser - what is needed to jam these
things - emits ANY visible light.

I'll bet if you'd looked you'd have seen an LED license tag frame, one
of those that rotates, on that same car.

John
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From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:08:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
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In a previous article, Mike King () says:

>In article <1992Sep24.120929.59616@watson.ibm.com> lpickup@xanadu.btv.ibm.com
>(Lance Pickup) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.024337.12431@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew
>T. Russotto) writes:
>>....
>>|> The major countries where there is driving on the left are the UK,
>>|> Ireland (?), Australia, and New Zealand.  All islands.
>>
>>You can add Japan to that list--again, an island.  Also, in Thailand,
>>legally they drive on the left, but in practice they drive
>>in the middle!  Anyway, I don't know about the countries bordering
>>Thailand.
>>
>>--
>>    ...Lance
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Lance Pickup                VNET/IBM Internet: lpickup@btv
>>IBM/Vendor Systems                   Internet: lpickup@vnet.ibm.com
>>Technology Products
>>Burlington, VT                          Phone: (802) 769-7104 (tie 446)
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>>
>
>
>Burma, sorry, Myanmar, drives on the left. (The army drives down the middle).  
>            Mike King
>
>
In Malaysia and Singapore they also drive on the left, and I think all the 
Commonwealth countries do.
-- 
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kiel_jeff@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.105157.6475@hemlock.cray.com> deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean
Barker) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep30.233110.21455@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>,
kiel_jeff@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com writes:
>> 
>> I was the one who made that post and I understand why you have such a hard
time
>> believing my actions.  You are looking at the situation as a simple gain
verses
>> risk decision with no ethics involved.  The "gain" is saving yourself time
and
>> the "risk" is the very small possibility that no one will let you into the
>> line.  In the particular situation that I was describing, there is a solid
>> white line between the two lanes so there is the additional "risk" of
receiving
>> a ticket for crossing the solid white line but we all know this too is very
>> slight.  So, the obvious choice is to merge at the last possible chance to
save
>> yourself the most time possible on your trip to work.  
>
>You mean all this time you have been talking about a situation where people
>cross a solid white line? So what you are implying is that these people are
>practically passing the line of cars on the shoulder and then begging to be
>let in line? If that's the case then I agree with you 100%. I think the others
>on the net were talking about a different situation.
>
>-Dean
>
>

Not exactly.  The situation that I am talking about occur three times on my way
to work and result when one highway splits into two highways with one right
lane going to one highway and the other two lanes going to the other.  The
white line is designed to force people to merge early to prevent backups. 
Unfortunately, the traffic backs up in the one lane and some people (including
myself now) stay in the two left lanes until the last minute since these lanes
are flowing quickly (until one of these people can't get in and stops then the
whole road is screwed up.  I once say an accident caused by this but, of
course, the last minute merger got away unscaved).  However, I was talking
about any situation when lanes merge including construction zones.  I had the
fantasy that people work together for the good of all but then I woke up and
realized that this is America and everyone basicly looks out for themselves. 
So now I stay in the left lanes until the last minute, sneak in front of a
truck or just cut someone off (they "let" me in) and get to work earlier with
no conscience to worry about.

-Jeff

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From: ins499y@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Deeran Peethamparam)
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Organization: Monash University
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:29:07 GMT

 (DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
:I would greatly appreciate any ideas concerning how to avoid receiving a speedi
:ng ticket.  I have a speech comm. class presentation due on Oct. 5.  I need eno
:ugh practical methods to speak about for ten minutes.

OK, OK, I'll be the smart*ss...

Don't get caught.  :-)

D(Heh,heh)P
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From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott)
Subject: Re: 55:  And Then There Were (Please Help)
Organization: TP Performance
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 SEP 92 15:15:45    


In article <1992Sep27.193106.27903@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon) writes...
>In article <1992Sep24.191804.3309@photon.com>
>jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
> 
>> I thought that nine states still had 55:  Alaska and Delaware (with
>> no eligible roads), Hawaii, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
>> Connecticut, Maryland, and New Jersey.  Should I eliminate one of
>> those states from the list?
> 
>Hawaii and Alaska don't count since they don't have any eligible
>interstates.  But you forgot Massachusetts.  Funny how they're all in
>the northeast, huh?
>

Some western stretches of the Mass Pike (rte 90) are 
signed for 65 mph.


>Bri
------------------------
Robert K. Abbott
abbott@tps.enet.dec.com          
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Left on red
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:18:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep28.184040.5421@dg-rtp.dg.com> goudreau@robin.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
>
>NY City is also the only place in the US (besides the US Virgin Islands,
>where driving is on the left) where right-on-RED is still illegal
>as well (this according to AAA).

Further, they also refuse to recognize the validity of out-of-state
licenses for 16 and 17 year olds, again according to AAA.
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
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Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
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From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: Thank you at night
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:05:25 GMT

What I've done for some years to say thank you at night is once I pull over
into the lane I rock the directionals about 4-6 times. One flash right one
flash left at the usual flash rate.
                               Kris
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:44 IST
From: <P88037@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: (Defeating) The Club
 <1992Oct1.163523.23402@linus.mitre.org> <3265@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>

Here in Israel there are very useful device: a gearshift handle lock
(you must have it on the floor, of course. It called 'Rav Bariah' and
costs 200-250 NIS ($80-120). They place it on the floor, screwing 3-4
bolts, and you can close in reverse (or P(arking), if your's is automatic)
When you unlock it, there in a holder for a U-shaped solid metal thing, that
actually does it.

It's a bit difficult even for very professional thief to unlock it,
and they can't pull the car since it's in gear. I also saw some thing
for parking brake handle.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:32:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep25.144621.25214@linus.mitre.org> ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>
>    It would be interesting if we could profile the pro/anti late
>merge people by how much driving they do on crowded highways at rush
>hour. I still shake my head in disbelief at the claim of one poster
>that he deliberately spends 10-20 minutes, twice a day, unnecessarily
>sitting in stop-and-go, because it's "fair". I wish I had that much
>time to waste.

I'm pro-late-merge.  Most of the time here I've been talking about a
situation which occurs during heavy traffic on Interstate 270
northbound at Route 118 in Maryland (jimb is probably familiar with
this).  It's essentially a 3-lane to 2 merge, with the LEFT lane being
the one which disappears.  A lot of people take the late merge (though
not as many as merge early) possibly because there is no danger of
'eating barrels'-- the worst that happens is you ride the shoulder a
bit.  Things are complicated a bit as there is an entrance/exit right
where the lanes are cut down-- IMO if they extended the three-lane
section north a few hundred feet, things would get MUCH better.
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
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From: pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Fighting Tickets (Was: Speeding Tickets)
Summary: Books on fighting tickets
Keywords: Ticket, fighting, speeding
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:26:06 GMT


    There seems to be a good deal of interest in the book I
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:54:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu


     The book is "Fight Your Ticket" by Atty. David Brown.  it's
published by Nolo Press in Berkeley, which touts itself as a
self-help law book publisher. It's gone through four editions,
the latest in 1991. My neighborhood library has all four
editions, so it must be popular.  I found it under "traffic
violations" on the library index computer.  Dewey number is
345.0247 BRO 1991, ISBN 0-87337-132-1.  This copy cost $21.95. 
It's obviously specialized to California, but there are some
pretty good general topics on how to act when stopped (polite,
non-committal, don't make the cop's job easy by admitting
anything. Check out all the facts you can and write down the
entire incident for use in court.)  One of his claims is that the
cop is trained to decide whether to give you a ticket before he
gets out of his car, so fawning or apologizing will get you
nowhere. Another point is to read the vehicle code very
carefully, because each code section requires that several
elements be established to convict you.  Brown also dicusses out-
of state-tickets and lists the states that are in the Driver's
License Compact and cross report-violations.  (This was a thread
on this board a while back.)   Incidently Brown verifies that you
can't be convicted of a speed violation using radar measurement
unless there has been a survey within 5 years.  (I had said 3 in
an earlier posting.)

     I found two other books in the same Dewey classification.  I
haven't read them yet.  "Traffic Court - How to Win", by Atty.
James Glass, Allenby Press, Arcadia, CA, 1988, claims to be
nationwide in application.  "How to Win in Traffic Court", by
Phil Bello, J.D., Major Market Books, Gibbsboro, NJ, 1900, also
claims to be nationwide.  Both books, naturally enough, appear to
be much less specific than Brown.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Signalling one's desire to pass
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:16:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvI580.MKw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <3266@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> met@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Meteorology General) writes:
>
>The thing that interests me is that you have all been talking about
>flashing from behind. What about flashing from the front [...]
>However i have heard that if you
>get caught flashing oncoming drivers you can be nicked for obstructing
>the police in their work. Has anyone else heard of this?

Yes, this is done here in the US, and some drivers even understand what
it means. ;-) And yes, it's illegal here, too, at least in some areas
(other posters have reported receiving actual citations for doing this).
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: tips for Indiana, Ohio ?
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:35:55 GMT

In article <16871BB49.00124961@ysub.ysu.edu> 00124961@ysub.ysu.edu writes:
>The Highway Patrol in Ohio, are nothing if not on the ball.

i'll amplify this sentiment.  the Ohio state police are one of the
most enthusiastic, well funded groups of revenue enhancement officials
in the United States, and possibly the world.  don't screw around
with them.

by comparison, trooper density in illinois and indiana is much, much
lower than in ohio.  at least, that was what we found when we went through
the area on our way from NY to Des Moines and St Louis and back a
couple of months ago.

cheers,
  richard
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From: gench@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Ferrari - Tokyo video
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:46:22 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

I read in the newspapers here a few weeks ago about a video made of a
Ferrari F40 "racing" across Tokyo in the early morning.  This video
is apparently similar to the infamous "Rendezvous" video made about
a Porsche in Paris.

Does anybody have a copy of this Ferrari video or know of its where
abouts?  I would like to get a copy please

Hope to hear from someone soon

		Clinton Hale
		gench@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: 00124961@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Left on red
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:31:17 GMT

In article <Bv55Eq.Byz@world.std.com>
tonym@world.std.com (Tony Matt) writes:
 
>
>sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
>>rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>>>matt@cs.city.ac.uk (Matthew G Sillitoe (Matt)) writes:
>>>>ObQ. Are there *any* roundabouts in the US?
>>>
There is one in the center of Columbiana, Ohio, not far from where I live.
All the main streets in the town branch off of it.  Talk about a bunch of
confused drivers!  They have an "accident of the week" there.
Chris Kuner (just passing through)
00124961@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Signalling one's desire to pass
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.063352.10523@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:
> Kevin Quinn (kevinq@Ingres.COM) wrote:
>> In article <1992Oct1.163946.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
>> >Anyway, the problem in the USA is that it's generally considered
>> >annoying by the driver being flashed.  
>> 
>> Just here?  You should see all the billboards in Germany pointing out the
>> annoyance and discourtesy of flashing high beams... *and* the trick of
>> turning on your left blinker, to give the hint to the guy in front.
> 
> 	I've been reading this thread with interest, please excuse my
> ignorance, in the US, is it not allowed or considered bad driving to
> pass on the right of a slower driver on a divided road? If not, why bother
> flashing lights or using a left blinker when you could just pass on the right?
> 	In Australia, it's both allowable and acceptable to pass on the
> left (the right lane being the "fast" lane), my VTA rules book just states
> that you have to be a bit more careful because you're in the other
> driver's blind spot for longer.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Glenn Capuano

This varies within each State in the USA.  It's legal here in Illinois to
pass on the right, but not in Connecticut (at least when I lived there).

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From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:01:43 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
In-reply-to: dos@major.panix.com's message of 28 Sep 92 13:39:15 GMT

dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:

>DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>> I would greatly appreciate any ideas concerning how to avoid
>> receiving a speeding ticket.  I have a speech comm. class presentation
>> due on Oct. 5.  I need enough practical methods to speak about for
>> ten minutes.

<deletions>

>8. If you can, let an equally fast driver get about 1/4 mile ahead of 
>you. On a long cross-country drive on I-80, I've traded "scout" position 
>with 3 or 4 other drivers for a stretch of 100-200 miles. It allows the 
>middle drivers to relax a little while the nose and rear guards watch 
>out.

This is the key -- cooperation.  Watch the sides of the road for cops,
and keep watching for the un-marked cops, but also watch the other
drivers.. they are keeping their eyes peeled also.  If you see the car
in front of you go around a corner at 70 without seeing his brake
lights, you can go around there fast also. (And the car behind you is
watching you, etc.)  A high speed convoy (with a lot of room between
cars) can really cover a lot of road fast.

Of course this is all purely conjecture, I would never speed myself.

Curt