HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:22:57 GMT

In article <smith.717488576@sfu.ca> smith@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard Smith) writes:
>brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep25.222336.28015@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>
>>>the dark ages. Only a few big US Universities, and a coupld of Canadian
>>>ones were part of the .edu domain. Some others were .mil .gov .net 
>>>
>>>
>>>If UNBC is a real university, it would get .unbc.ca according to convention.
>>>A college would get unbc.bc.ca
>
>>Oh if it's just a UUCP node they could call it pretty well anything. When
>>they get onto BCNet it'll be fixed upped. Yeh it's a real university for sure.
>
>Don't be too sure. I am not sure what is driving it, but both Waterloo
>and U of T are advertising internet addresses which include the .edu
>part. It seems like posturing, to me, and an attempt to distinguish
>themselves from all the 'riff raff' colleges and private groups in
>.ca, and also cosy up to the big American universities. (There, that
>should irritate someone...)
>
>Check out, if you want, addresses like "library.toronto.edu" and
>"steam.waterloo.edu". Just to name two that come to mind.

I have no personal knowledge however about why unbc.edu was selected.

There is a bit more "control" of the .ca namespace than some people like.

E.g. as mentioned above it is difficult for some sites to get XXX.ca and
instead have something like XXX.bc.ca. To get something in the .com/.edu
etc domains you just apply for it. If it's not a mis-representing yourself
and no-one else has it you'll probably get it. It is also hard to select a 
domain name in .ca that doesn't closely relate to the name of your company 
or organization. 

So if you want to be darkhorse.ca you had better be a company called Darkhorse 
Ltd that operates nationally. If you want to be darkhorse.com you just have 
to make sure no-one else has registered it.

There are also more than a few people who believe that .ca is a bit silly
and that we should be using the americian domains period.


-- 
Stuart Lynne <sl@wimsey.bc.ca> ....................... UNIX Facsimile Software
Wimsey Information Technologies ................... moderator biz.sco.binaries
uucp login:nuucp passwd:nuucp .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/ls-lR.Z
PD Software for SCO UNIX .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/pub/wimseypd
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online?
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: bc
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:30:17 GMT

In article <335@unbc.edu> lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>
>> Is UNBC connected directly
>> to BCNet or do you folks have a lowly UUCP connection? 
>
>Right now we run a UUCP link with ubc-cs. I hope to have us on BCnet
>before the end of the year.

I guess ubc-cs was just being nice, because I thought ubc-cs frowned
on UUCP. Maybe it's a new service...

>
>--lyndon


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  Just another "Enemy of Canada"
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  Say NO/NON to Constitutional
 Electrical Engineering                 |  hegemony and fear-mongering
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca                     |  by politicians/scum.
________________________________________|_________________________________
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:24:51 GMT

In article <339@unbc.edu> lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>
>> Oh if it's just a UUCP node they could call it pretty well anything.
>
>Currently we are UUCP only. Since I don't believe in uucp node names I
>just advertise the domain name.
>
>> When
>> they get onto BCNet it'll be fixed upped.
>
>What will be fixed up? Our domain is unbc.edu. That won't change.

Oh ... OK :-)

>> Too bad they don't have a Communication Department ... maybe I'd
>> apply for a job!
>
>Communication in what sense? University communications? Telecommunications?

Yes and no. The Communication Department at SFU is into tele policy and
media theory. I'm into media theory. People who graduate from communication
programmes are often involved as media communication officers and policy
advisors. UNBC probably doesn't need me :-(.



Chris Brougham
Department of Communication
Simon Fraser University
brougham@sfu.ca
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: looking for fans of Queensryche
Keywords: e-mail newsletter
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:01:45 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

I'm looking for people who're fans of the rock/metal band Queensryche and
would be interested in a weekly e-mail digest about the group.  If you're one,
drop me a line at queensryche-request@pilot.njin.net and I'll send it to you.

Thanks,
	-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: sanders@cs.ubc.ca (Michael Sanderson)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:22:07 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
NNTP-Posting-Host: warsteiner.cs.ubc.ca

In <1992Sep30.204714.1049@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:

>In article <Bv7nrs.Iq2@wimsey.bc.ca> sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.183017.6165@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>>>I guess ubc-cs was just being nice, because I thought ubc-cs frowned
>>>on UUCP. Maybe it's a new service...

Indeed we do frown upon adding new connections.  Just because we frown doesn't
mean it won't happen.

>>ubc-cs has always had uucp connections to other educational sites.

>They wouldn't give ME uucp. I'm not asking for a freebie either.

If I recall your request correctly, there was absolutely nothing identifying
you as an EDUCATIONAL site.  My understanding of your request was that you
wanted to connect your home machine.  I also don't recall you suggesting that
there might be cost recovery available to the department for the resources you
would use.  It certainly sounded like a freebie to me.  If this has changed,
perhaps we should speak again.

UNBC is only a temporary connection.  Once they have a reliable BCNet
connection in place, the UUCP connection will be discontinued.
-- 

Michael Sanderson                   sanders@cs.ubc.ca
                                    ubc-cs!sanders

Newsgroups: bc.general
From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Subject: Re: .edu vs. .ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:38:37 GMT

In article <341@unbc.edu> lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>Listen, folks, the decision on our domain has already been made. Since
>none of you were party to the decision making process I would appreciate
>it if you all stopped trying to second guess what we did, and why.
>
>Let it drop - it's a waste of bandwidth.

Ah yes, but like so many other wastes of bandwidth, it's so much fun!

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller              dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Reply-To: tak@doe.utoronto.ca
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Distribution: bc
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:39:02 GMT

In article <1a3mm9INNbkm@yukongold.cs.ubc.ca> phillips@cs.ubc.ca 
	(George Phillips) writes:
>Actually, it seems like everyone else in the world has a country-name
>suffix.  I presume the americans don't have a ".us" suffix because
>they were first and didn't really need one at the time.  Do you also
>think ".uk", ".au", ".de", etc. are silly as well?

Actually, the .us domain exists.  Take a look at well.sf.ca.us.

My guess as to why unbc.ca doesn't exist?  The domain was probably offered
as unorthernbc.ca "for the sake of the purity of the name space".  :-)
I recall the discussion about athabascau.ca vs. au.ca.

--
Tak Ariga, Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto, Canada
           tak@doe.utoronto.ca  tak@doe.toronto.edu  utdoe!tak
From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Summary: Foo on you, too!
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:35:27 GMT
Distribution: bc
Organization: University of Northern B.C.

brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:

> Oh if it's just a UUCP node they could call it pretty well anything.

Currently we are UUCP only. Since I don't believe in uucp node names I
just advertise the domain name.

> When
> they get onto BCNet it'll be fixed upped.

What will be fixed up? Our domain is unbc.edu. That won't change.

> Too bad they don't have a Communication Department ... maybe I'd
> apply for a job!

Communication in what sense? University communications? Telecommunications?
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:53:32 GMT

> In article <1992Sep25.222336.28015@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca 
	(John Paul Morrison) writes:

> [why is it unbc.edu?]
>
> >If UNBC is a real university, it would get .unbc.ca according to convention.
> >A college would get unbc.bc.ca

I wonder if the keepers of the .ca namespace didn't agree to unbc.ca.
It probably was unorthernbc.ca or something.  :-)  I recall the
au.ca vs. athabascau.ca discussion...
 
In article <1992Sep25.230356.4687@sfu.ca> brougham@fraser.sfu.ca 
	(Chris Brougham) writes:
> Oh if it's just a UUCP node they could call it pretty well anything. When
> they get onto BCNet it'll be fixed upped. 

It may be UUCP only, but to be in the .edu namespace, you need to register.  
And they are registered, at least the nameserver honours it.

-- 
Tak Ariga, Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto, Canada
           tak@doe.utoronto.ca  tak@doe.toronto.edu  utdoe!tak
From: phillips@cs.ubc.ca (George Phillips)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:30:04 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
NNTP-Posting-Host: yukongold.cs.ubc.ca

In article <92Sep28.133848edt.9053@rock.db.toronto.edu> tak@doe.utoronto.ca writes:
:In article <1a3mm9INNbkm@yukongold.cs.ubc.ca> phillips@cs.ubc.ca 
:	(George Phillips) writes:
:>Actually, it seems like everyone else in the world has a country-name
:>suffix.  I presume the americans don't have a ".us" suffix because
:>they were first and didn't really need one at the time.  Do you also
:>think ".uk", ".au", ".de", etc. are silly as well?
:
:Actually, the .us domain exists.  Take a look at well.sf.ca.us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I know this.  I guess I should have said "I presume
the Americans don't generally use a '.us' suffix because...".
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve (PrettyBoy) Barclay)
Subject: Re: Opting out.
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:50:16 GMT

I have to agree that the way the government handled this entire situation
was disgraceful.  I beleive that our medical system is an essential service
in our province, and that it should be maintained.  Medical services should
NEVER be available only to those who can afford them, they should be 
available to ALL people without user fees.  Personally, if it takes higher
taxes to cover them, I for one am willing to pay them, and I don't give a
rats ass if I'm paying more than another person to support the system.

As a society we have to ask ourselves if we have a moral obligation to
provide medical services for all people, and if we decide that we do, we
should do everything in our power to make it happen.

There has been some talk in this thread about abuses to the system by users,
but I have heard no talk about abuses by doctors.  For instance, a friend of
mine who used to be an ECU nurse at VGH tells me that some doctors refuse to
preform any surgury except emergency surgery during the day, and attributes 
this to the fact that doctors get paid twice thier normal fee for working after
hours.  Is this true?  Can anyone verify this or deny it?  I for one am 
curious as hell.  Because if it's true it means that there are doctors out
there who are abusing the system as well, and something should damn well be
done about it, just the same as something should be done to collect from users
who abuse the system.

Doctors who are preforming their jobs however, honestly, and effectively
SHOULD be paid damn well, and the BC government should be doing all it can to
make sure that the best doctors stay right here in BC.  Doctors, as someone
pointed out, are not employed by the government, but they are paid by the 
government.  That strikes me as a contridiction.  I was working on contract for
a company doing technical work, and they were the only company paying my wages,
according to Revenu Canada, I was employed by that company, regardless of 
how I phrased or claimed it.  It strikes me that regardless of how the doctors
want to look at it, they are employees of the BC government, and are not
self employed unless they are receiving money from more than one source....
I'm not sure what my point it.....Move on...

I think I have a very simple solution for this problem, and it will not effect
the general population at all, and it should clear things up very quickly.
Doctors should simply refuse to serve politicians until this whole mess is
cleared up.

Steve

-- 
THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE ARE NOT MY OWN, AS I AM INCAPABLE OF FORMING AN
INDEPENDANT OPINION.  THEREFOR, ALL OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE AN AMALGAMATION OF
ALL THE VIEWPOINTS AND IDEAS THAT EVERYONE ELSE FEEDS ME DAILY.  IF YOU ARE
OFFENDED BY THEM, FLAME EVERYONE ELSE, I'M NOT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: Naming (was Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!)
Organization: Ziebmef home away from home
Distribution: bc
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:45:57 GMT

smith@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard Smith) writes:
| Don't be too sure. I am not sure what is driving it, but both Waterloo
| and U of T are advertising internet addresses which include the .edu
| part.

 As has been mentioned, both the University of Toronto and the
University of Waterloo obtained their (Internet) domain names before
they could possibly have gotten '.ca' names; exactly what .ca was going
to be and what its naming conventions would be and who would run it and
so on were busy being debated at length at that point. Indeed, I
believe that it was unclear whether or not there would *ever* be a
usable .ca domain.  The University of Waterloo is in fact no longer
supporting the waterloo.edu names except for electronic mail.

 Generally, it isn't always obvious whether one should get a
geographical domain name or a functional one. Typically, very few
organizations actually *are* geographically restricted (ironically,
universities are one of them); everyone else is usually better off
served by a functional name. If you have a functional name, you aren't
bothered by moving or expanding across borders, an event which is more
common than you might think.

--
	"This is what separates us system programmers from the
	 application programmers: we can ruin an entire machine and
	 then recover it, they can only ruin their own files and then
	 get someone else to restore them"	- Geoff Collyer
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu	           ...!{utgpu,utzoo,watmath}!utgpu!cks
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: tg@cs.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: bc
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:49:56 GMT

In article <smith.717488576@sfu.ca> smith@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard Smith) writes:
>Don't be too sure. I am not sure what is driving it, but both Waterloo
>and U of T are advertising internet addresses which include the .edu
>part. It seems like posturing, to me, and an attempt to distinguish
>themselves from all the 'riff raff' colleges and private groups in
>.ca, and also cosy up to the big American universities. (There, that
>should irritate someone...)

Nonsense. Both U of T and Waterloo had machines on the internet
long before the .ca domain became official. Hence these sites
are "grandfathered"
-- 
=================
No regrets, ever!			| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics
For down that path, lies madness	| tg@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:26:43 GMT

In article <smith.717488576@sfu.ca> smith@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard Smith) writes:
>brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep25.222336.28015@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>
>>>It is odd. The .edu domain was part of the original Internet waaaaay back in
>>>the dark ages. Only a few big US Universities, and a coupld of Canadian
>>>ones were part of the .edu domain. Some others were .mil .gov .net 
>>>
>
>Don't be too sure. I am not sure what is driving it, but both Waterloo
>and U of T are advertising internet addresses which include the .edu
>part. It seems like posturing, to me, and an attempt to distinguish
>themselves from all the 'riff raff' colleges and private groups in
>.ca, and also cosy up to the big American universities. (There, that
>should irritate someone...)
>

I just thought I would point out that, for example, toronto.edu = utoronto.ca
I'm not sure which one is preferred, though.  Here, for example, is a line from
a mail header from someone I know in Toronto:

Received: from marvin.cdf.utoronto.ca (marvin.cdf.toronto.edu) by cs.sfu.ca with SMTP id AA11361

In any event, I think there are much better ways to accuse U of T of being
elitist - for example, not giving as high marks relative to other universities
so that their graduates are at a disadvantage when it comes to scholarships :-)
(you guessed it, I did my undergrad degree at U of T)

Of course, this is all getting way off topic...
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online?
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: bc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:47:14 GMT

In article <Bv7nrs.Iq2@wimsey.bc.ca> sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.183017.6165@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>>In article <335@unbc.edu> lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>>>brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>>>
>>>> Is UNBC connected directly
>>>> to BCNet or do you folks have a lowly UUCP connection? 
>>>
>>>Right now we run a UUCP link with ubc-cs. I hope to have us on BCnet
>>>before the end of the year.
>>
>>I guess ubc-cs was just being nice, because I thought ubc-cs frowned
>>on UUCP. Maybe it's a new service...
>
>ubc-cs has always had uucp connections to other educational sites.

They wouldn't give ME uucp. I'm not asking for a freebie either.

>
>-- 
>Stuart Lynne <sl@wimsey.bc.ca> ....................... UNIX Facsimile Software
>Wimsey Information Technologies ................... moderator biz.sco.binaries
>uucp login:nuucp passwd:nuucp .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/ls-lR.Z
>PD Software for SCO UNIX .................. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:~ftp/pub/wimseypd


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  Just another "Enemy of Canada"
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  Say NO/NON to Constitutional
 Electrical Engineering                 |  hegemony and fear-mongering
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca              VE7JPM |  by politicians/scum.
________________________________________|_________________________________
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: UNBC ... Online? Yes ... And Way Cool!
Date: 27 Sep 92 09:31:55 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Distribution: bc
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <Bv7nqA.Io2@wimsey.bc.ca>, sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
> There is a bit more "control" of the .ca namespace than some people like.
> 
> E.g. as mentioned above it is difficult for some sites to get XXX.ca and
> instead have something like XXX.bc.ca. To get something in the .com/.edu
> etc domains you just apply for it. If it's not a mis-representing yourself
> and no-one else has it you'll probably get it. It is also hard to select a 
> domain name in .ca that doesn't closely relate to the name of your company 
> or organization. 
> 
> So if you want to be darkhorse.ca you had better be a company called Darkhorse 
> Ltd that operates nationally. If you want to be darkhorse.com you just have 
> to make sure no-one else has registered it.

When we went to register our domain, we were apparently told it *must* be
.gov.bc.ca since we're a provincial government in BC.  I'm surpised that
unbc.ca is going to be allowed.  With the standards that BCnet has apparently
adopted, it should be unbc.bc.ca.  The university does not operate nation-wide
so it should be registered in the bc domain.

> There are also more than a few people who believe that .ca is a bit silly
> and that we should be using the americian domains period.

Standards are a good thing and I support the approach the BCnet and CAnet
administrators are taking.  The number of domains has increased to such a point
that it makes sense to try to group them better than they currently are.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430