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From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Christmas toys and Adventures!
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:09:18 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Min got a raincoat and boots so that we can continue walking even
when it is raining and the boots so that she will go outside
even when it is raining.  She HATES to get her feet wet! *laugh*
The first time she had them on it was quite a sight!  She walked
VERY slowly, lifting each foot HIGH off the ground.....poor thing,
she did not know WHAT that was on her feet.  *smile*  It did not
take her long though.....I think she likes them now, MUCH more than
the raincoat!  *laugh*

My sister made her one of those "Chew Man" toys for less than $2, 
you know the ones that sell for $15?  *smile*  My brother (in law)
drew the pattern and it looks JUST like the ones in the stores!
*smile*  

It was a good Christmas indeed!  Excpect for Min and her new cousin
Buster (half Golden Retriever, half English Setter 7 month old)
fighting for the leader position the entire weekend.  I have never
seen her so protective of her things or of Sandy, my other sister's
Golden Retriever.  Min was downright mean about it.  Buster had just
been neutered, but as usual, it had done very little good.  *smile*
He never tried it much with Min, but he did with Sandy, and Min was
right there to step in and stp him when he did.  I think the problem was
that I thought he was in his crate when I brought Min in...she had been
there before and knew that Sandy was there...she had been so excited about
seeing Sandy, since we had been telling ehr all day we were going to 
see Sandy.  She walks in and this NEW dog was there WITH Sandy.
The fight started then really......she ran up and started an attack.
We WANTED to introduce them outside...soemeon got their wires crossed.
*smile*

Anyway.....she would lunge at him any time he came near her food, her
toys and sometimes when he went near his own toys.  I know that this is
probably just the pack instinct......and she IS a VERY aggressive,
dominant dog anyway.  But never like this.  Of course, this is the
first time we have ever introduced her to a male dog for a long 
period of time too.

Hope you and yours had a very Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and will
have a wonderful New Year!

Suzanne and Min

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: They WILL let you know!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:19:42 GMT

The vet said my dobie would let me know if it was too cold for a walk, he
sure did :) Ever see a dog try and lift all four feet off the ground at the
same time, but still remain standing? Looks pretty silly! Luckily we were
only about 5 minutes into our walk, so I got him home as quickly as possible.
He hasn't had trouble with snow on the ground and higher temperatures, but
this is the first time there's been snow on the ground plus being -4 outside
(that is cold for where I live!)

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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Airedale Needs a Home
Date: 25 Dec 92 14:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

the contact for the airedale club of america's rescue service is joey finneran
at 215-294-8028.
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-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: On the breeds' original purposes
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:07:09 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1h4omqINNhqt@CS.UTK.EDU>
   primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:
 
>Toss up for discussion:  Are the original purposes of the breed so sacrosanct
>that they can not evolve to match today's purposes of the breed?
 
MHO:  *IF* the new purpose is in effect serving the same purpose as
before, then yes.  Otherwise, no.
 
example: IMHO, the purpose in the labrador retriever is to retrieve
things (usually from cold water).  If you want to breed them to dive
under the water to catch fish (or crabs, or ....) that's fine.
Breeding them to guard a liquor store is not.
 
 
NOTE:  what the objectives are when a person breeds, and what an
individual dog does are 2 entirely seperate questions.  In that case,
if you happen to have a very protective lab (to extend my example above),
then (imho), it would be perfectly acceptable to USE him/her to guard the
store.  But unless it proves that it can accomplish the purpose of the
breed, then it should not be bred (no matter how good a guard dog it is).
 
 
>Since I own dalmatians, I offer a (rhetorical) followup question:  If my
>dalmatian is a wonderful example of the breed in every respect except that
>she will not (or can't) run for long distances alongside a carriage (her breed's
>original job), would breeding her harm the breed? Note that the question is
>entirely rhetorical, since she is spayed.
 
yes.  (that's assuming you have correctly defined the purpose of
dalmations for us.  I don't know anything about dalmations.)
 
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From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Subject: Re: why is my dog scooting around on his butt?
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:33:17 GMT

I have had experience with three
causes of the scooting behavior.
Worms, clogged anul sacs and
material not completely passing
thru the dog. 

My dogs eat grass constantly,
and sometimes a long piece 
doesn't come out completely,
so the dogs scoot to get it
out.  That is easy to figure
out by checking the dog and
the stools.  To everyone concerned
about the grass eating the dogs
have been checked by two vets 
whose response is 'they like to
eat grass'.  The scooting from
this does not happen often.

When it's worms or anul sac
problems the scooting is more
than once a day.  Both are 
fairly easy to remedy with
attention (vet and or meds).

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Allergic Reaction- Swelling, how fast?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:32:05 GMT


Please, how is Siegfried?   After getting us all worried about the
allergic reaction, I'm sure there are dozens of us worried about how
he'd doing?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: Looking for good german shepard breeders in the IL/WI area.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:52:36 GMT

Here's the most helpful reply I received when asking about GSD's in IL/IN
area.  I am betting that Kay won't mind me posting this.  (Thanks!)

I called and talked to Wendy.  I was quite impressed and made plans to
put money down on a pup for delivery in January.  The next day I ran into
a (stray) GSDX pup about to be put down at our local vet.  I couldn't
refuse her - she was perfect.  (But, alas, she's currently being given the
silent/confined treatment for making a mess out of some decorative plants
while I was out briefly this morning.  More my fault than hers...)

Anywayz...I still plan to purchase a GSD from them, but it will probably
be a more mature dog for the farm.

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From: schlumpf%uimrl5.dnet@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Horse Fiend)
To: "laird@mace.cc.purdue.edu"%UIMRL7.dnet@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Cc: SCHLUMPF@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: GSD size, was Re: Diamond Dog Food


>The only breeder I've visited was in Illinois (near Decatur).
>I was excited about seeing lots of GSD's, but this guy's operation
>made me sick - 'twould be nice to visit a "good" breeder.
 What was he? A puppy mill breeder? Just curious.

These folks have a small operation just large enough (IMHO) to take care of the
dogs properly without hired hands. It's a family operation, more or less. I
counted 8 Shepards there when I last visited. They also have 2 or 3 Goldens
which they just acquired for hunting purposes. They live out in the middle of
nowhere, as he's a farmer.

Okay, here's the info. Greenfield Shepards, owned by Wendy Urban (and her
hubby) RR#1 Box 241, Cissna Park, IL 60924. Phone is 815-457-2641. 

They usually sell to service organizations through distributors, so you may end
up on the waiting list. She said she had 3 or 4 folks waiting on a list for a
black female...WOW! Fortunately, no one got to the black male before we did!
(We didn't get him because he was black, he was the only male and that's what
we wanted since our Cocker is female...). 

There's another breeder, highly recommended up in Rockford too. My Mom knows
what I'd call a "German Shepard Connosieur"- an old man who's had Shepards all
his life and only goes looking for the absolute BEST. The last of his old dogs
just died and he went hunting all over the country for the best GSDs, ending up
as he said "In my own backyard". My Mother tutored one of their kids once. If
you are interested, I'll see if she can get the info for me. These are the "big
boned" ones though, I don't think. 

Well, good luck!!

Kay & the Crew
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: training problem <sigh>
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:15:22 GMT

I'm planning on taking Greta to the farm this weekend for some off-leash
play.  I thought I'd put her carrier on the back of the ATV, drive to the
middle of a 200 acre field and let her go for awhile.  I think I could herd
her in easily without getting too close on the ATV. 

So the suggestion - find a way to be faster than the dog.  I don't
recommend a car because it will limit your maneuverability and visibility
too much, but an ATV or bike should do it unless the dog just sprints
dead away for the road.

For this I've been thinking of a special shock collar - one in the 90KV
range that could just drop the dog before it gets into serious trouble.

--kyler
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Coonhounds...
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:43:12 GMT

I was watching a movie with Coonhounds in it today, and I got to wondering...

They showed the dogs running after the racoon until it went up a tree, then
they showed the person chopping the tree down. The tree fell, the racoon was
on the ground again and the dogs went after it. How is the racoon eventually
caught? They never did show this...are the dogs supposed to catch it? Do they
just keep the racoon running and prevent it from eating until it dies from
exhaustion? The guy hunting didn't have a gun or anything...


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kmoser@mail.boi.hp.com (Kathy_Moser)
Subject: Re: help needed with puller
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:46:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

: I have a 16 month old lab mix who does not seem to respond to the choke
: collar.  This has been an ongoing problem and the correct use of the choke
: chain (quick, crisp snaps) does not seem to be helping.  I am considering
: trying a pronged choker or a head collar.  Anyone have any experience with
: these devices and their proper use?

We have a lab also.  They can be VERY strong.  Neither one of my kids could
take her for a walk, because even with a choke collar on she was capable of
pulling my son down (and he weights around 120 lbs!) and dragging him across
the park before he could even think about popping the leash.  A friend
suggested the prong collar, and it works like a charm.  Even my 70 lb daughter
can handle her with it on.  Truf doesn't seem to mind either - she doesn't
object to having it put on (after all, we are going for a WALK - OH BOY!).

				Kathy Moser
				Hewlett-Packard, Network Printer Division
				Boise, ID
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 09:56:55 CST
From: Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Large Breeds Showing Age

I'm just throwing this out for discussion for those netters who have
larger breeds.  We have a Great Dane mix (with black lab or German S.H.
Pointer, I'm not too sure).  He's 5-1/2 years old, (we adopted him at
3-yrs old) weighs in at about 87 pounds.  When do larger dogs start to
age?  I noticed about 6 months ago he was getting more white on his
muzzle.  He normally has an all jet black coat with white on his chest and
back paws. Now I am beginning to see flecks of white all over.
I had a professional portait done last June and the difference is very
marked, most especially around his muzzle and jaws.

What prompted me to think about this is I just returned from 10 days away
to visit my family, and Beast stayed home with my husband. When I returned
I noticed some changes in him, they are rather subtle, but being away from
him for a while exaggerated them to me.

He's in excellent health, trim and very muscular, but I can see that he
is slowing down. He doesn't play as long or as hard as he used to,
and lays around more than he used to, instead of being attentive at
a window or outside in the yard. He's also started to listen 'when he
wants to', but that may be due to a lack of continued behavioral
training on our part, i.e., he's pretty spoiled. :-)

This is the first dog I've had, so I don't know what to expect.  I've
heard/read/known that larger dogs don't live as long. What does that
mean?  What is the life expectancy? 10 years or less?  Am I being
totally paranoid?  I'd like to hear from those who have large dogs or
similar experiences with older dogs.

Thanks.
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: young puppies and biting
Keywords: Lhasa Apso
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:56:12 GMT

Otis, my girlfriend's 9 wk. old Lhasa Apso male, has gotten into the habit

of biting everything in sight, including humans. I've used the advice of
a book I read that says to give him admonitions about this, but it's an
uphill battle. I think he's teething, and we've given him a furry bear he
seems to like to bite on, but he will occasionally bite when he's near us,
and goes after socks and shoes so adamantly we've almost tripped over
ourselves trying to stop when he decides to hang on tight when one of our
feet starts going up.

Is there some remedy to this? If it's teething, what can we give him to
chew on?

	-Kenny

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN)
Subject: Re: Help! Boredom sores caused by licking - Update
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:16:12 GMT



 I wanted to thank everybody for their help.  You've given me
some good things to try.

 Shiloh is still licking (obsessively), but he's leaving the
bandage on, so the sore is healing.  He just licks the bandage.
My vet gave me a topical treatment that was supposed to
stop the wound from itching.  I think that's why Shiloh has
stopped pulling the bandages off.  It's a tiny bottle - I
think it's what Judith Van Noate recommended.  I put a couple
of drops on each time I change the bandage (about twice a
day).  Smells awful - like garlic, but seems to work.

 My SO and I had some time at home so we watched him pretty 
carefully to try to understand more the reasons for this
behavior.  To our surprise, he hardly licks at all when he's
outside in the back yard or in the dog area and he thinks
we are not home.  It's when we are home and together in
the family room that he really goes at it.  He's pretty
sneaky about it, and knows he's not supposed to be licking
because he will stop if he thinks I'm watching him.

 Shiloh is 5 and he and Pref have lived together for over 4
years, but a lot of things have changed for Shiloh recently. 
We moved to a place that is a LOT different from VA and I now
work 9-5. I used to have flex hours and took him to work with
me alot.  He also had me all to himself for the six months before
we moved (Pref and my SO moved in January).

 I am going to spend more time alone with him and try to
relieve any stress or jealousy he might have.  If that doesn't
work, my vet mentioned some antidepressant drugs that we could 
try. He said that drugs were a last resort, his own dog
did not respond to them.

 Since negative attention-seeking is very possible (when I yell
at him, at least I'm not petting Pref anymore ), I'm going 
to quit getting mad at him when he licks and try to distract him
instead.  Any other ideas for what I should do when I catch
him licking?? 

 I'm going to ask my vet about feeding him deep ocean fish.
Shiloh is voting for that option - he loves fish.

 I will let you know if anything works!


Thanks again,
-Ann

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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Leaving a puppy alone - b
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:22:49 GMT

In article <1gva02INNnb8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
>
>I personally don't think it is such a good idea to get two pups at the
>same time.  There is twice the work, twice the training to be done, etc.
>You also stand the real chance that the pups will bond to each other 
>before they bond to you.  When I taught the puppy classes where there were 
>families with two pups, the pups seemed wilder and less interested in 
>their people.  In my opinion, a single pup will not have any trouble
>being home alone while you are at work, etc.  The pup will most likely
>sleep anyway and you can always leave a radio playing softly to give
>a reassuring voice.  Even my two just sleep all day, they don't play with
>each other when they aren't playing with me.
>

We have 3 dogs, all less than 1 1/2 yrs old -- plus a temporary puppy
(until Christmas Eve).  This is DEFINITELY NOT something I would 
recommend!!!  At least our oldest is fairly well trained and the
middle dog is partially trained (she knows SIT, COME, and TREAT...).
The two youngest are littermates and I am counting the days until
the temporary visitor leaves (3 more days...).  We have to go out
of our way to spend time with each dog, and it is very hard (especially
since the cats need us too and Christmas is getting very hectic!).
If you are willing and able to put in the time to train 2 dogs then
its great, but it takes an awful lot of work.  Littermates seem to
bond more (in my limited experience -- I never had a dog before and
got all of these since last December), but that doesn't necessarily
mean that they won't bond to you.  Waiting at least a few months
between new dogs seems to work better than getting 2 at once.  I have
noticed that our lab, who was an only dog for 9 months, is more of a
people dog than the others.  She loves all the puppies, but she likes
to spend alot of time with us too.


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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