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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Is Respect For Nature Enough?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 13:19:25 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <altar.721157294@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>
>IS RESPECT" FOR NATURE ENOUGH FOR A VEGETARIAN OR ECOLOGICAL
>ETHIC?

     ( over 100 lines of text deleted)

Ted, it is unclear why you persist in posting in a vegetarians' newsgroup
these lengthy articles on ethics, the environment, animal rights, and
whatever.

My interest in vegetarianism is restricted to its health benefits and
the fact that not eating meat reduces my grocery bill. Other participants
feel likewise. At least this was true for the duration of your exile,
motivated by your fear of Steve Dyer and others who corrected your
misleading medical assertions.

You will find a more willing audience, if you instead post these articles to:

     sci.environment
     talk.environment
     talk.politics.animals

I assume you were unaware these newsgroups exist. Now that you know, you
can't plead ignorance.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: List of cruelty-free cosmetic companies?
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:17:00 GMT

In article <3289@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>Would someone please email me the list of companies making cruelty-free
>cosmetics and skin care products that was posted here recently?  It's

The vegan society's Animal-free Shopper is a good book and lists 
several companies and products in more than 150 pages. About 50 pages
are on cosmetics and toiletries.

With regards,

Abhay


From: gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:39:15 GMT
Subject: Re: AR Prisoners in need of your written support
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg


Could someone please tell me why we are having a discussion about gun
legislation in rec.food.veg?
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: giber@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Carolyn Giberson)
Subject: chicken feathers in milkshakes??
Originator: giber@pollux
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:46:51 GMT


With respect to the question "does McDonald's put chicken feathers
in milkshakes to thicken them?", there are so many good thickening
agents on the market (guar gums, carageenan, etc.), that I really
can't believe that they'd use chicken feathers.  (I'm not a 
spokesperson for McDonald's -- it just strikes me as something
that would be too irresponsible on their part to be true.)

Carolyn Giberson
University of Georgia

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: A Quick Breakfast
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:53:25 GMT

   "Do you know what breakfast cereal is made of?
    It's made of all those little curly wooden 
    shavings you find in pencil sharpeners!"
                       Roald Dahl


             A VERY QUICK AND SIMPLE BREAKFAST
 
Here is a very quick breakfast for those on the run.  It may
at first sight seem bizarre but at least it healthy (a good
supply of vitamin E is here intended), low fat, and actually
quite filling.  Some people will like the taste of this
breakfast, and others simply will not.  It is not for
everybody.
 
 
INGREDIENTS:
 
     1/2 cup of wheat germ
     2 tbs of oat bran
     1 tbs of nutritional yeast
     1 large glass of good quality apple juice.
 
 
Before adding the apple juice, mix up the dry ingredients
into a large glass or mug, otherwise the nutritional yeast
might be lumpy.  It will be thick, mushy drink and so you
will need to use a spoon as you drink down this elixir of
health :-)   If you find that the above makes too thick and
mushy a drink for your tastes, simply use more apple juice
and less wheat germ.
 
If my "hemlock" of health doesn't appeal to you, simply
try apple juice on some non-sweetened breakfast cereal.
This also works for a quick, vegan breakfast.
 
                                       ted

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Subject: Conclusions about Ted Altar
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:08:47 GMT

The result of last several postings is a consensus - 

So Ted, please keep posting. People like everything you post,
and we all look forward to reading your postings.

We should be grateful to him for being the single most
important source of informative postings on r.f.v. It is
to a good extent because of him and Ferrell Wheeler and
Michael Traub that people want to read this newsgroup.

With regards,

Abhay Bulsari
From: deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Cravings
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:50:26 PST
Organization: GORILLA BBS

halka@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Halka, Monica H.) writes:

> I find that if I have a craving for chocolate, eating a few raw cashews or
> almonds stops the craving.  Maybe it's the lecithin or maybe it's the fat?
> 
In women, this is often a side effect of PMS or other female difficulties.
I use a homeopathic remedy for these kinds of problems which works instantly.
It's called Sepia.  Try it!  It's been amazing.



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Donna Corner Holmes                              (deej@gorilla.nbn.com)
Summary Insight - Marin County, CA                   (415) 488-1659
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Albert Einstein
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.altar.721376244
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada


Here are two interesting quotes from Albert Einstein (1879-1955).

                                      ted


     "It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its
     purely physical effect on the human temperament would most
     beneficially influence the lot of mankind"
          (from a letter to VEGETARIAN WATCH-TOWER, 27 December
          1930)


     "A human being is a part of the whole, called by us the
     `Universe', a part limited in time and space.  He
     experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something
     separate from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his
     consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for us,
     restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for
     a few persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free
     ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of
     compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of
     nature in its beauty.  Nobody is able to achieve this
     completely, but the striving for such achievement is in
     itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner
     security.
          (from NEW YORK POST, 28 Nov. 1972)
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Conclusions about Ted Altar
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:58:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.1992Nov10.125808.1
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Nov10.070847.13173@abo.fi>, abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
> The result of last several postings is a consensus - 
> 
> So Ted, please keep posting. People like everything you post,
> and we all look forward to reading your postings.

Abhay, I can't believe that you wrote this!  How can you write 
"everything" and "all", when this is a response to someone who 
*doesn't* like his postings and *doesn't* look forward to them?  You 
have made reasonable postings in the past.  Why don't you tell us 
what *you* think, instead of quoting old articles and telling us what 
*we* all think?
> 
> We should be grateful to him for being the single most
> important source of informative postings on r.f.v. It is
> to a good extent because of him and Ferrell Wheeler and
> Michael Traub that people want to read this newsgroup.
> 
I will decide for myself whose postings I like or don't like.

I don't have any great problem with Ted's posts, and I certainly 
don't plan on putting him in my kill file.  I wouldn't have mentioned 
it, but since I'm already posting, I will second the question of what 
animal rights has to do with recreation and food (as in 
rec.food.veg)?  There is some sort of assumption that all the 
vegetarians are here for ethical reasons, and that simply isn't 
true.  It is also true that omnivores like myself are reading this 
topic because we realize that eating meat in the quantities we were 
used to is just plain unhealthy.  I am working actively to reduce 
meat in my diet, but unless a miracle happens and my wife and three 
kids become vegetarians, meat will still be a part of my diet.

On an unrelated note, where are all those recipes that everyone talks 
about?  I see lots more vegetarian recipes on alt.support.diet and 
rec.food.recipies than I do here.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Continental airline food
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:56:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.201830.24918@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman) writes:
>    Just for anyone else facing imminent travel:  since going veg I
>have only flown Delta.  They offer vegan and OL food.  I have found
>it mediocre to rather good (once I made sure I got every spare grain
>of rice, not wanting to miss any tiny bit), and always filling.
>Their computer does seem to have a problem remembering my special
>order, so I've learned to call again a couple days before my flight
>to remind them.

i've had good luck with NorthWestern, they too, even over a year ago, offered
milk and milk free veg dinners. I do not remember seeing any eggs, nor being 
offered that in a diet choice... i assume that the non-diary was also egg free.

for those of you flying overseas, i had a WRETCHED experience with martinair,  
they could not find a thing for me to eat on the pond crossing. grrrrrrr.
--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
From: ceg@nova3.stanford.edu (Chris Gronbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hummus recipes
Date: 11 Nov 1992 07:15:14 GMT
Organization: Int'l. Institute for Energy Conservation
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova3.stanford.edu
Summary: Try this
Keywords: recipe


Here's what I use (although it usually comes out if you're even close):

1 16 oz. can chickpeas
2 cloves garlic
3 or 4 Tbsp. tahini
1 Tbsp. olive oil
1" cube of onion
Salt, pepper, cumin, paprika
Couple tspn. lemon juice

Food process for a few minnutes.  Use varying amounts of olive oil to
achieve whatever consistency you desire.

Christopher
ceg@nova.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: collins@eol.ists.ca (Mike Collins)
Subject: Re: Is Respect For Nature Enough?
Organization: Earth Observations Laboratory, ISTS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 00:14:44 GMT

In article (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>>
>>IS RESPECT" FOR NATURE ENOUGH FOR A VEGETARIAN OR ECOLOGICAL
>>ETHIC?
>
>     ( over 100 lines of text deleted)
>
>Ted, it is unclear why you persist in posting in a vegetarians' newsgroup
>these lengthy articles on ethics, the environment, animal rights, and
>whatever.

  NO - keep posting Ted!
>
>My interest in vegetarianism is restricted to its health benefits and
>the fact that not eating meat reduces my grocery bill. Other participants
>feel likewise. At least this was true for the duration of your exile,
>motivated by your fear of Steve Dyer and others who corrected your
>misleading medical assertions.
>
>You will find a more willing audience, if you instead post these articles to:
>
>     sci.environment
>     talk.environment
>     talk.politics.animals
>
>I assume you were unaware these newsgroups exist. Now that you know, you
>can't plead ignorance.


 oy vay, what's this guy's problem. every vegetarian i have ever
met has made this conscious choice based on precisely these issues.
there is plenty in this newgroup for everyone, vegetarian or not.
if an article doesn't interest you, SKIP IT!

mjc

-- 
michael collins
institute for space and terrestrial science
toronto, canada M3J 3K1
collins@eol.ists.ca
From: begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Hiking boots.....
Keywords: Come one come allllllllll
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:39:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park


Come one come all, but someone must be wearing nonleather hiking boots
	as they read this.  Siomeone.......?????  So, what do you
	recommend?

Please.............


-- 
Popular culture is the art of making do with what the system provides!
                 Jeremy Ritzer          begonias@wam.umd.edu
                
               
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: TVP
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:25:41 GMT

In article <BxI9wt.M4o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul) writes:
>What about the MSG in these porducts, someone told me that ADM has MSG.  How
>about Morningstar, Heartline and others?

TVP does not contain MSG.  The hydrolized VP may or may not contain MSG
(so it is not a direct a.k.a for TVP as someone posted earlier).

Robbin
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: The protein myth
From: ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:15:16 PST
Reply-To: ekeller@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: ATS - CalState Los Angeles

In article <c_q1wk-@rpi.edu>, philhowr@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Bob Philhower) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.114711.436@hellgate.utah.edu> llarsen%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov11.074508.9068@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
|> >>
|> >>I got this from Michael Traub. This post is somewhat long.
|> >
|> >It should be noted that this posting is basically a transcription of the
|> >"Living Health" seminar given by Tony Robbins. 
|> >
|> >Loren
|> 
|> I'm suppose that Tony Robbins got the information from Michael Traub
|> because He is the Source of all Truth.  Praise be to Traub.
|> 
|> Bob
|> 
|> 
|> 

Michael Traub posted this to granola where he duly noted that it
was an excerpt from "Unlimited Power" by Anthony Robbins.
When Abhay Bulsari posted it to r.f.v. he neglected to make that
known.  I am sure an honest oversight - some of us make 'em.

If you don't like Traub, Bulsari, Altar, Dyer or whoever for
whatever - fine - use your kill file.  But spewing such hateful
sarcasm does little except waste bandwidth.

-- 
***************************=================***********************************
eddy keller                                  (ekeller@calstatela.edu)
              California State University, Los Angeles
***************************=================***********************************
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Freezing Tofu
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:18:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov6.231859.6635
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Hello all!

I've been reading this group for a while now and putting some of the
ideas I've found here to good use.  But now I have a question.  I've
noticed that many of the recipes posted here used frozen and thawed
tofu.  What does freezing do to tofu that makes this step part of the
recipe?  Does is change the texture?  I'm guessing from context that
it makes it more solid or chewy or something.  Any enlightenment is
appreciated!

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: claudiak@i88.isc.com (Claudia Kale (STG))
Subject: Re: Conclusions about Ted Altar
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.154835.25333@u.washington.edu> twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.070847.13173@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi writes:
>>The result of last several postings is a consensus - 
>
>Who did you poll to arrive at this general agreement?  You didn't         
>contact me.

Hmm. Nor me.

>
>>So Ted, please keep posting. People like everything you post,
>
>I don't. 
>

I won't argue that *some* people might like everything you post, but
like Barbara, I'm not one of them. I do think Ted (and everybody else
who reads this group) should be encouraged to participate in the free-for-all
whenever he/they likes/like (yikes, this is grammatically awkward). But
I really dislike having Abhay speak so confidently on my behalf when he
knows very little about my opinions.

>>and we all look forward to reading your postings.
>
>I don't. 
>

Same again. Abhay, please don't presume to speak for all of us without
asking us what we think first.

>>We should be grateful to him for being the single most
>>important source of informative postings on r.f.v. It is
>>to a good extent because of him and Ferrell Wheeler and
>>Michael Traub that people want to read this newsgroup.
>
>
>I don't agree with either of these statements in the least. 
>

Nor do I. 

This is a public forum, and is therefore available for every
netter with posting capability. Nobody has the right to say
"Poster X should be banished from this group", and nobody
has the right to speak on behalf of anybody but him/her self.

>
>--Barbara 
>

Cheers,
Claudia

claudiak@i88.isc.com

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: wheeler@super.org (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Subject: Re: The protein myth
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:09:14 GMT


The article that initiated this Sbject Line is from
_Unlimited Power_ by Anthony Robbins.

I do not know much about Anthony Robbins.  Is he related
in anyway to John Robbins (son of Baskin-Robbins founder,
author of _Diet for a New America_ and founder of EarthSave).
I know John Robbins has a 20 year old (approx) son named
Ocean Robbins who is one of the leaders of the YES! Tour
(YES! stands for Youths for Environmental Sanity).  They
travel around the country giving programs to high school
assemblies and they are always looking for more local
organizers.

Take care,

Ferrell Wheeler
wheeler@super.org
From: Eric Gundrum <gundrum@svcdudes.com>
Subject: Vegitarian Traveling
Organization: Software Ventures Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:42:00 GMT

Vegan Resturants in Bay Area?
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: LIST OF SUBSTANCES DERIVED FROM ANIMALS
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:07:15 GMT

Brian Marcotte writes:
[...]
>Hmmmm.... Well, I cannot take credit for even a single line in that
>list:

>> ANIMAL DERIVED INGREDIENT LIST
>> (from the National Anti-Vivisection Society's "Personal Care with Principle,"
>> Spring, 1992)
[...]

>Which was typed in and sent to me by someone I can't remember. I can't
>seem to find the original message.
[...]

It doesn't matter.  You still deserve much credit and an hearty
thanks for maintaining such lists of info, like the FAQ, and for
assiduously posting them for our benefit.  Thanks again.

                                          ted
.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: nutritional yeast recipes
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:58:26 GMT

     "It's a very odd thing --
     As odd as can be --
     That whatever Miss T eats
     Turns into Miss T.
           Walter De La Mare (from "Miss T")

    "You are what you eat, or what eats you"
          Ted going one step further from De La Mare  :-)
          
          
               BAKED "CHEESE" SPAGHETTI CASSEROLE

The following is a slightly modified recipe taken from that olde
classic, THE TEN TALENTS COOKBOOK.  Since we have had a query
about nutritional yeast flakes, here a good example of how they
can be used to give a "cheesy" flavouring..

INGREDIENTS:

     1 cup raw cashews
     1 (or more) cup(s) of tomato juice
     3 Tbs fresh lemon juice
     2 Tbs sesame seeds
     4 Tbs nutritional yeast flakes
     1 Tbs oil
     1 tsp onion powder
     1/8 tsp celery seed
     pinch of paprika for colour
     
     1 cup of tomatoes
     
     1 lb of whole wheat spaghetti
     
     bread crumbs (optional)

PROCEDURE:

Simply whiz in a blender all of the first 9 ingredients
(everything except the spaghetti, the tomatoes and bread crumbs).
Now add the tomatoes and blend till very smooth.  This will
constitute the "cheese" sauce.

Cook till firm, but tender, the spaghetti in 5 quarts of boiling
water (about 10 minutes).  Drain the water and
mix the spaghetti with the "cheese" sauce.  Place in a lightly
oiled baking dish and top with bread crumbs.  Bake in a 350
degrees oven for 30-40 minutes.

                  Happy vegetarian epulation,

                                ted

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Re: List Of Vegetarian Restaurants - 3/5 - USA
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:20:30 GMT

In article <BxoHpL.7zE@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen) writes:
>
> Here are a few comments/corrections on this very useful list.
> ...
> You've got to be kidding! Eventually DC should get its own
> listing, it's the national capital for goodness' sakes! (and has 
> alot of restaurants which qualify for your list). As noted
> below, VSDC has a veg. restaurant list which is too long to post 
> (got enough wrist problems already); if you want it I can 
> snail-mail it to you.
> ...

Well, the only respources I had were the postings on this newsgroup for
the past 6 or so months. All posts in the last 6 months on restaurants
in DC seem to have listed _ONLY_ restaurants on the Maryland side.
Nobody seems to have posted anything at all on Washington, DC (I could
be wrong though). For that matter, being from Canada, I don't know my
geography around the Washington, DC area either. I have nearly killed
myself compiling the information I do know about Canada. Look at
Ottawa, Montreal, and Vancouver, I'd say they're great examples of what
the listings should look like for all cities.

Unfortunately, I am not all knowing. So, if anyone will volunteer to
do a good job on Washington, DC and/or the state of Maryland, i.e.
look at how Ottawa, Montreal, and Vancouver are presented and copy
the format, then please volunteer! At least Washington, DC, the US
capitol, should have an excellent listing, if not the other cities.


*********************************************************************

If anyone wants to compile complete listings for thier city, please
announce that you will do it, have it done and post it on the
newsgroup within a reasonable amount of time (say less than 2 weeks)
so that others from your city can provide feedback, and it will be
included IN WHOLE AS YOU HAVE PROVIDED IT in the next complete
postings of these listings.

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Mark Wisdom,  Bell-Northern Research,  Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
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