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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro,misc.test
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:02:24 GMT

rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:

>In article <schnitzi.726784345@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>>
>>It would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.  You Cowboy fans
>>must be proud of little Ray here.

>Whatsa matter, Marky Mark, can't take a loss??  You were one
>of the biggest Philly woofers around BEFORE the game(s)!  

Prove it, or admit you are a liar.  I predicted the Cowboys would
win (but was rooting for the Eagles all the way).  I even posted a
question asking if anyone else was predicting their favorite team
would lose.  Get your facts straight, or hit 'U'.

I await your apology.

>At
>least I'm dealing with what HAPPENED, not what's GOING TO
>HAPPEN!!  You bEagle fans on the net are all alike, BIG MOUTHS
>before the game, little wimps after your team gets their little
>green asses kicked!

Your pathetic mewlings typify the very trash-talking you like
to think yourself above.  I'm certainly glad not all Cowboy
fans are this way.

mark
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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Bills
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:15:21 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:19:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.184743.20282@macc.wisc.edu> JOHN HEIM	,
heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:
>It's my fault.  I'm a jinx.  Proof:
>
>1.)  I've been a Packer fan all my life and they haven't done a thing 
>in 25 years.
>
>2.)  I was a part-time Chiefs fan for the past 4 years.  (I guess once 
>you're jinxed, you're jinxed for good.)
>
>3.)  I became a part-time Oilers fan this year.
>
>4.)  The 4 teams I wanted to win this weekend: Vikings, Saints, 
>Oilers, and Chiefs.
>
>John "Thinking of becomming a 49er fan" Heim

Please do John!!   :-)

Redskin Fan in Texas Hell

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills comments
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:43:29 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.174144.6288@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>I was thinking about next year's draft and where the Bills will go but I 
>can't seem to find a weak spot on the team:

I can find one glaring weak spot: safety Mark Kelso. Cut him (impossible to
trade, nobody will take him). He always plays away from the ball. He is too
hesitant and "gun-shy" from all the concussions he's had. Time to
strengthen the one weak position on the team.
--Jim
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: 49ers/Redskins - Matt Millen Interview
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:52:58 GMT

This was an article in the SF Chronicle (1/7/93).  Matt Millen,
a member of the 1989 49ers SB Champs and the 1991 Redskins SB
Champs (as well as the 1980&1983 Raiders), gives his impressions
of the 49er/Redskins matchup.  Some portions of the article deleted
for space considerations (buy the paper and read the whole article :-)):

...
Millen says there are three important match-ups to watch during
Saturday's game:
1) How well tight end Brent Jones does against Redskins linebacker
Monte Coleman.  Jones is crucial to the 49ers' chances, say Millen,
because the Redskins will concentrate on stopping Jerry Rice and John
Taylor.  "Jones becomes the guy who will be matched up with Monte
Coleman,"  Millen says, "That will be big."

2) How well the 49ers stop Redskins defensive end James (Jumpy) Geathers.
That formidable task will go to the troika of Roy Foster, Guy McIntyre
and Jesse Sapolu.  During the Redskins' wild-card victory against
Minnesota, Geathers had four sacks.  "Jumpy Geathers", says Millen,
"is probably the best in the league at what he does: collapsing the
offensive pocket."

3) How well the Redskins run against the 49ers.  "You see," says
Millen, "one of the things San Francisco does will is that they are a 
very disciplined defense.  What Washington coach Joe Gibbs will try
to do is try to use that discipline against them."  Millen means that
Gibbs will "scheme" against the 49er defense's established patterns.
"What Gibbs and his staff do well", says Millen, "is they always
get their guys in a position to do their best."

(move from the front of the article to the back by me :-))

"Do I think Washington could win?  Yeah.  Do I think San Francisco
could win?  Yeah.  If Washington plays their best game, and
SF plays their best game, then San Francisco wins.  But experience
tells me that no two teams play their best game at the same time.
Every now and then you'll find a game like that, but very rarely."
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:22:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>>FACTS:  Beebe stepped out of bounds and it was not
>>called and he ran in for a TD. Although this COULD HAVE
>>been the game for the Oilers, IMHO, I believe Da Bills
>>WOULD HAVE found a way to win this one.
>
>This is true but no one made a big deal out of it because the Oilers probably
>figure "hey instead of being up 35-10, we're up 35-17".  The folks making
>the most noise about this play were the announcers.  The way the Oilers
>secondary was being toasted by the Bills WRs in the second half, they stil
>would have managed to win this.
>
And it wasn't like he went a foot out of bounds to catch the ball or evaded
his defender to get out of bounds.  I wonder if Beebe himself knew it at the
time.  With the number of receiver routes run close to the sidelines, I can't
help but wonder how many times this happens in a game?  And even if it had
been called, more than likely the Bills would have scored a few plays later.

Picture this happening against Dallas.  What would JJ have done?
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From: schweich@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Tim Schweich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Eagles/Cowboys stuff
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: schweich@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Tim Schweich)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

One of the responses said that Dallas had the added incentive to win
if the Redskins beat the 49ers because they would host Washington in
Dallas for the NFC championship.  However, the same situation exists
for Philadelphia, so this will not be an advantage for either team.

While I'm here, let me make my prediction:

Eagles  20
Dallas  16
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:22:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.131408.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>For the regular readers of this newsgroup, some of you might remember
>a couple a artilcles written intiled crap football, well it's back after
>a long absence.
>American footballers are nothing but a bunch of pumped up junkies.To call
>it a sport is an injustice to all proper sports.It seems to me more of
>a competition to see who can take the most steroids without killing 
>themselves, or getting caught.Well actually the chance of getting caught
>is remote as the teams and the N.F.L seem to condone the the use of these
>drugs, and are doing little to stop it.
>What's the punishment for being the best college footballer and getting
>caught using drugs? You get a mult-million dollar contract for one of
>the best teams in the country.Call me stupid, but it's hardly
>a deterent.
>It's time drugs abuse was stoped in football.Then again if
>they did that there would'nt be any decent players left.Without drugs
>your guys would'nt even get a game for a school rugby team over here.
>American Football is a sport? for wimps, and poofs without the commitment
>to make it without drugs.
>So chew on that you self-serving, arogant illigitimates.
>
>Real men play soccer
>
Like Diego Maradona?  Or are real men just coke addicts?

(This is becoming more and more interesting...)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 JAN 93 09:37:24    

In article <Jan.8.15.18.54.1993.28643@aramis.rutgers.edu>, rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes...

>With all the negative comments about John Madden, one might think
>there aren't many of his fans around --- but you'd be wrong if you
>thought that. He is the best of the lot because he knows not to take
>the game so damn seriously (ala Bill Walsh). He makes it interesting
>and fun with his comments about pigeons, and guys in the stands
>catching the ball, etc....At the same time, he has inside knowledge
>about the game because he was a successful head coach, and gives the
>viewers some excellent insights as to why certain things happen
>etc....The only thing I don't personally care for is that clicker
>thing.....makes my eyes go buggy after he moves the frame forward and
>backward sixteen times. Overall though, Madden and Summerall are by
>far the best team of announcers.  

One thing that Madden should be given credit for is the trend in NFL 
broadcasting toward teaching the fans about the details of coaching 
strategy.  Before Madden became a sportscaster there was very little 
analysis being done during the games.  You didn't know why a play 
worked or why it didn't.  Or you wouldn't know why a team tried a 
particular play.  Now a days, for instance, it's fairly common for 
sportscasters to explain the meaning of terms like "2-deep zone" or to 
explain why teams send players in motion before a play.  At one time 
the announcers seldom, if ever, explained this kind of thing.

It was Madden that started this.  In fact, before he became famous for 
being funny, he was known for his ability to educate the fans.

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment (was: BILLS BILLS BILLS BILLS!!! YEEEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:49:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.220850.19849@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>  OMIGOD! OMIGOD!!!!!!!  HERE COME THE BILLS!!!!!!!!!!
>  
>  THE BEST MOMENT IN BUFFALO BILLS HISTORY TO DATE!!!!
>  

Uh, until they win another title, I will vote for the Bills'
AFL title win in the mid-60's with Jack Kemp as their finest
franchise moment.

Which event would y'all vote for as "the greatest moment" in
your favorite franchise's history?

For the Buccaneers it's easy to select as we've only been a-
round since '76 and we've not had a lot of success,  but the
victory in our first playoff game, 24-17, against the Eagles
in '79 is our "greatest moment", and I was there.  :-)   :-)
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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Lambeau Field question
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:40:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Distribution:  usa

In article <1993Jan7.164428.6125@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
>	I've recently heard some rumors related to Lambeau Field that
>I was hoping someone more in the know could respond to:  The rumors
>are that the Packers have asked the city of Green Bay to put some sort
>of a dome on Lambeau Field and that the city of De Pere has offered to
>build a stadium for the Packers.  Can anyone substantiate either of
>these rumors?

I rather seriously doubt the veracity of these rumers.  Ron Wolf has been
quoted as saying that Lambeau Field is the best park in the NFL.


-- 
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From: lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn)
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins Song
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:45:17 GMT

If I remember correctly, Miami actually used the "Houston" song first, but 
only very briefly because they apparently thought it reeked (I agree).  
Then Houston got it and now for some reason Miami is using it again.

Anyway, GO MIAMI (from someone who remembers Joe Auer's 98 yd kickoff 
return and good old George Wilson, Jr.)
                

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From: RLAG10@email.sps.mot.com (Gary Gavlick)
Subject: Re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Motorola SPS, Analog Automotive
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:02:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.164229.14275@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
gilmer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (John R. Gilmer) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan4.055821.22307@leland.Stanford.EDU>, daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
> > Though this game was a rather extreme case, the key to the Bills victory
> > was what detractors of the run-and-shoot have been saying all along--
> > without a tight end, a team cannot have a running game to grind out
> > the clock while protecting a lead.  It is a fundamental, and probably
> > fatal, flaw of the run-and-shoot.
> > 
> (lines deleted)
> 
> I do not beleive that time of possession is a major problem with the
> run-and-shoot, last year I beleive the oilers were at or near the top of
> the league in t.o.p., and at the end of the first half of the game I beleive
> the Oilers had time of possession by a 3-1 margin.
> 

  I agree with John on this one.  In the first half of the Buff/Hou game,
Houston had possession for more than 20 minutes and, for the season, is
ranked 8th in the NFL for time of possession while Buffalo is ranked 26th
for time of possession.  Meanwhile Buffalo is 1st in the NFL for rushing
yards and Houston is only 18th (though Houston's White did rush for more
than 1000 yds).  IMO not much of a correlation between a rushing game and
time of possession.  
  IMHO the weakness of the R&S is that it demands a consistent, high
quality performance from the QB.  If the QB has an off-day (ie Moon in the
first Hou-Pitt game where he threw 5 INTs), the results can be
catastrophic.  Also opposing defenses tend to load up with DBs (playing
5-7) which makes it difficult to break a receiver loose for a long gain. 
(Oddly enough Houston seems to have found a counter by using their RB on
screen plays where the Hou OL can roll over the smaller DBs.  I can recall
two games this season which were won by Houston in the 4th Qtr with a 60+yd
screen play.)
	  The R&S does seem to have a more difficult time scoring when inside the
20, though you would not have guessed this from the 1st half, but with
Houston's erratic kicking game this problem is greatly magnified.  Finally 
I think the Houston defense is more to blame than the offense for this
loss.  When an offense scores 31 points with only one INT, one expects the
defense to preserve the win.  
  
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From: gosch@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Gosch)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:32:52 GMT
Subject: What is on Bieniemy's arm?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro


During yesterday's Chargers/Chiefs game, a couple of the close-ups
of Eric Bieniemy included his left upper arm; it appeared that he had
a pattern or symbol "punctured" into his skin there.  I also thought
that I caught a glimpse of similar markings on a player during the
Redskins/Vikings game.

Does anybody out there know what these patterns represent?

Thanks.

Bill (just curious) G
From: giao@informix.com (Giao Tien Vu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Young VS. Montana (My Thoughts)
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:32:35 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <athos-120193100534@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>Okay, so maybe I participate in Young Bashing a little too much.  It all
>started back when Bill Walsh made what I consider to be the worst decision
>in his career: pulling Montana out of a game and putting Steve Young in. 
>Young became the media darling of the Bay Area and a "controversy" was
>born.  Since then, I've had to listen to Steve Young bitch and moan about
>being a bench warmer.  So then Montana gets wacked out of a game and Young
>comes in.  The Niners lose that game and they don't go to the Super Bowl.  
>

Ummm, is it fair blaming Young for Craig's fumble?  Remember that Young
was 1 for 1 in that last drive.  Nothing to brag about, but no shame either
(that pass got a first down which the 49ers needed at that point).  Until
Craig fumbled, the 49ers had the game won.  They only needed either one more
first down or a decent punt that pinned the Giants near their goal line.

BTW, Joe Montana did at times look bad in the Vikings game.  It was not
entirely his fault because the offensive line did not give him any time to
throw.  In that circumstance, the mobility of Steve Young was a real plus.
But, by the time Walsh yanked Montana, it was too late.  It would have made
no difference with Montana being in there.

Giao
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Young VS. Montana (My Thoughts)
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:05:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan12.211303.23570@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen
Warren) wrote:
> 
> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> 
> >Now we have a situation where the coach has decided that even though Joe is
> >the higher paid, former starter, it will take the demise of Steve Young
> >(not the team) to get Montana in there. 
> 
> Is Montana's rhythm and timing back?  One half does not a quarterback make.
> Can Montana be the same Montana of old in the face of a typical Washington
> or Dallas pass rush?

Who knows?  He looked okay in that game he played.   He certainly looked as
good as Young did on Saturday.
 
> >All I can say is: remember the Colts and the Jets?  The Colts had Unitis
> >warming the bench, perfectly healthy because his replacement was MVP.  The
> >Colts lost too.
> 
> Unitas played in that Super Bowl.  Yes, he did NOT start, but he still played
> and the Colts still lost.  Unitas could not pull off another miracle that day,
> but he DID play.

He was put in way, way too late.  For all intents, he was not playing that
game.

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Dreams
Keywords: Win
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:45:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.184257.14363@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.mfg.sgi.com (James Barnes) writes:
>I had a dream last night.......
>Dallas won the NFC Championship.
>The score was Dallas-31   Washington-7
>
>
>
>Talk about being out on a limb.................................
>
>
Yup, it was a dream. A figment of your wild imagination. :-)
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: San Fancisco vs the NFC East
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:25:08 GMT

After the dust settled from the wildcard games, the NFC is right where it
started three years ago:  San Francisco on top and a bevy of NFC East teams
vying to knock the 49ers off that pedestal.

The NFC playoffs come down to this:  The best team in the NFL vs. the best
division in the NFL, to the victor goes the spoils.

Nix
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden is an Idiot.
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:23:16 GMT
Organization: Go Big or Go Home

In article <C0Couw.GLI@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>I used to like to listen to John "MAD" den before, but not
>anymore.  As long as he sticks to the chalk board it is
>OK, but it gets irrittating when he goes on rambling endlessly
>on some silly and unconnected things like a total idiot.

I find him entertaining; but then again, I find Dick Vitale entertaining
for much the same reason.  I enjoy Madden's obvious enthusiasm for
the game, and really don't care if he rambles -- it makes the time between
the plays very entertaining.

I suppose it depends on if you're interesting in a narrator or a storyteller.

---Rsk
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Free Agency
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:10:05 GMT

What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
free agency.

What is everyone else's opinion on this?

Eric

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