HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eburke@phakt.usc.edu (McCaffrey's "Lackey")
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: President Emeritus James Zumberge
Date: 16 Apr 1992 10:09:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Many of you who read this board may have known or heard of Dr.
Zumberge at one point or another in your career in geology or
science in general.  I regret to say that yesterday afternoon
(Wednesday, 17 April 1992), Dr. Zumberge died of a complications
arising from a brain tumor.  

When I first heard of Dr. Zumberge, I entered USC as a freshman.
I was then a biology major and had no idea who he was.  It wasn't
until I became a geology major that I found out that he was a 
geologist as well as the president of the university.  I was and
still very much upset by this news, but I thought that others 
may want to know.

My condolences out to Dr. Zumberge's family and friends.  He was
much loved at USC, as I'm sure he was whereever he went.
From: zzz@erg.sri.com (Michael J. Konopik)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Mid-Oceanic Ridge Metamorphism
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:27:26 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Apr13.163045.14776@en.ecn.purdue.edu> lush@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) writes:
>Anyone  have any info on an earthquake in Europe today?
>
>I heard it was the strongest in 200 years.

I saw a broadcast report on this last night.  It said that the quake was
centered near the Rhineland, in Germany; that the USGS measured it at 5.2 on
the Richter Scale; and that there were no reported deaths, and scores of
injuries.

I'm sure there are more details of interest than that - but this is all that
I've seen so far...
				   -Mike
From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: earthquake data
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:47:37 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

Robert Edward Hart <REH113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Recently, someone posted a site to which you could finger, and obtain
> information on the most recent earthquakes.  I have missplaced the paper I
> wrote the location....does anyone still have the site?  Could you either
> post it again, or email it to me.....thanks.
> 
> Bob Hart
> reh113@psuvm.psu.edu
> rhart@wilbur.psu.edu
> rhart@snafu.psu.edu


Try: quake@geophys.washington.edu

Also, you can get loads of data by anonymous ftp to:

seismo.gps.caltech.edu
/pub/ca.earthquakes

garlock.wr.usgs.gov
/pub/WEEKREPS

Enjoy.

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Mid-Oceanic Ridge Metamorphism
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:49:14 GMT

eburke@phakt.usc.edu (McCaffrey's "Lackey") writes:

>I am an undergraduate Biology and Geology major here at USC, and am 
>currently taking Igneous and Metamorphic Petrology.  In our class, we 
>have to do a term paper GSA Bull. style on some subject in petrology be
>it igneous or metamorphic.  I am trying to find things on MOR metamorphism,
>but it is really hard to do in our library system, because it isn't designed
>to look for topics that may be in periodicals, neither is it user friendly.
>If you have any ideas where I could look, please e-mail to:
>	eburke@phakt.usc.edu
>I will post a summary if people are interested.  Thank you very much.

Rather than the card catalog, try the Bibliography and Index of Geology (BIG).
Things can be found there in one of 2 major sections: title/author, and by
subject.  The same paper is mormally found under several different subjects:
eg, under the location and under the topic, and also under subtopics. The BIG
should be in your library. Also, if you have some cash available, try the
Georef system on Dialog. You will qualify for a 50% discount as a student at
USC and your library should be able to help you get access to it and may have
someone who is expereienced in using it so as to save you search time while
learning who to search for things.

chad
price@helios.unl.edu
From: bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Science Teachers' Organizations Outside the U.S.
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:06:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.220605.3012
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I am trying to locate groups similar to the National Science 
Teachers' Association (NSTA) in countries outside of the United
States.  I am particularly interested in finding NSTA-type 
organizations in Canada, Western Europe and the Pacific Rim.

If you are aware of the existence of such a group, I would
appreciate you sending me the name and address of the 
organization via e-mail.

Thank you.

Russell I. Dyreng
bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: eburke@phakt.usc.edu (McCaffrey's "Lackey")
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Mid-Oceanic Ridge Metamorphism
Date: 13 Apr 1992 01:11:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

I am an undergraduate Biology and Geology major here at USC, and am 
currently taking Igneous and Metamorphic Petrology.  In our class, we 
have to do a term paper GSA Bull. style on some subject in petrology be
it igneous or metamorphic.  I am trying to find things on MOR metamorphism,
but it is really hard to do in our library system, because it isn't designed
to look for topics that may be in periodicals, neither is it user friendly.
If you have any ideas where I could look, please e-mail to:
	eburke@phakt.usc.edu
I will post a summary if people are interested.  Thank you very much.

Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: holder@cse.uta.edu (Larry Holder)
Subject: Structural Databases
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:39:03 GMT

We are looking for databases to be used for testing an intelligent
structural data analysis tool.  The database should be structural or a
flat representation of a structural environment (e.g., coordinates of
3d entities).  The database will be converted to a graph
representation for input to the system.  Any pointers to such
databases would be appreciated.

Thank you.

-- 
Larry Holder (holder@cse.uta.edu)

University of Texas at Arlington, Department of Computer Science Engineering
Box 19015, Arlington, TX 76019-0015, Phone: 817-273-2596, FAX: 817-273-2548
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology,ca.earthquakes
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Subject: Re: BALL LIGHTNING
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:08:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.141938.54535@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.165637.26333@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jalosi@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (JEANETTE ALOSI) writes:
>> Does anyone have any information about ball lightning?  A newspaper article
>> said it is believed to be caused by earthquakes. Ball lightning is seen after
>> earthquakes and is thought to be the source of UFO's sightings. 
>I saw the article too.  I thought that it sounded like something out of the
>National Enquirer.  The way I understood their claim was that the friction
>from the movement on the fault releases static balls.  They were compared to
>lightening coming from the earth.  The part that threw me was that they
>supposedly happen for several years after the earthquake. 

The New York Times actually.  And most of the article was not about
earthquakes and lightening, this was just some extra speculation thrown
onto the end of a long discussion about ways to create weak faults.
One way to make faults weak is to have high pore fluid pressures and if
the high pore pressures are due to salty fluids then if the fluids move
then they could create electrical currents.  I believe that part was
attributed to Jim Rice at Harvard.  The part where it actually forms
ball lightening and is mistaken for UFO's was attributed to J. Derr
(USGS, Alberquerque).  Also I just looked at the article and did not
see any reference to any way to create lightening several years after
the earthquake.  It was in the 4/14/92 NYT`s in an article by Sandra
Blakeslee.

Andy
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: modeling (was: "Exact"-ness)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:11:05 GMT
Distribution: usa

Harold_Brooks writes
+ In article <8169@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char  
Aznabul) writes:
+ >Well, maybe it's not the model's fault. A (to me) famous question that
+ >one should ask is "Why did Richardson fail?". Who was Richardson? He tried
+ >the first meteorological numerical experiment [among other things]. He  
failed
+ >spectacularly. One of the reasons is poor data quality and relative lack of 
+ >data.
+ 
+ The big thing that hurt Richardson was that the numerical scheme he used was 
+ unstable.  Even with 'perfect' data, his model would have blown up.

Of course. Anyone taking a 12 hour time step is asking for trouble... :)

Let's see, he failed because:

1) too large a time step
2) errors in the intitial data
3) numerical errors (round off, computational - it was done by hand)

What else? Refresh my memory!

James
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:51:59 GMT
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations



> When
>an economist says the Dow Jones average will go up and it goes down, no
                                                                      ^^
>one cares.  But when a meteorologist predicts 3" of snow and it snows 12",
 ^^^^^^^^^

Except maybe the people who lost their collective shirts buying long instead
of selling short.  Actually this raises a very interesting point.  Savvy
investors are quite aware of the limitations of economic forecasting,
and few would put all their money down on the basis of a forecast.  They
aren't as bothered by the poor forecasts, because they never trusted
them much to begin with.

On the other hand, governments make policy decisions affecting billions
or even trillions of dollars worth of the economy, and the lives of
millions of people, based on similar economic models.  The Fed
does this when it decides whether to reduce or increase interest
rates.  The erroneous prediction of an early recovery to the
current recession killed proposals for fiscal stimulus (let's
not get into whether that was all for the good anyway, eh?)

It is interesting to me that the judgement of the US administration
is that the quality of the scientific input on, say, global warming
predictions, is not sufficient to justify any concrete policy
action; however, they are perfectly willing to make policy decisions
of enormous economic import based on economic models that are far,
far worse.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: bennett@mp.cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett)
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:08:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.170732.5359@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu> kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.024701.16022@midway.uchicago.edu> rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>>  meteorology is not an exact science
>>
>>This statement has come up a number of times in this thread. I beg
>>to differ.  Meteorology IS an exact science.
>>
>>But, meteorology is an exact science.
>
>Do you understand everything there is to know about thunderstorms and tornadoes?
>Can you explain with 100% accuracy how they form, why they exist, and when
>they will die.
>
>I thought not.  Until you do, you can't say "meteorology is an exact science".

     Omniscience is neither a synonym nor a prerequisite for exactness.
If we knew how it all worked, there would be little reason to do any
science.


                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
                                  Systems Programming
                                  Computer Center
                                  Northern Illinois University
                                  DeKalb, Illinois 60115
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From: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu (JACK)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Tropical Cyclone Weekly Summary #35 (March 29 - April 5, 1992)
Keywords: Tropical Cyclones
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:46:09 GMT
Reply-To: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department


   This report is compiled from warnings issued by:
      National Hurricane Center
      Central Pacific Hurricane Center
      Naval Western Oceanography Center
      Fiji Meteorological Service
      Joint Typhoon Warning Center
      Japanese Meteorological Agency
      Royal Observatory of Hong Kong
      Indian Meteorological Service
      Reunion Meteorological Service
      Mauritius Meteorological Service
      (others may be added as they become available)


WEEKLY TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY #35: MARCH 29 - APRIL 5, 1992

North Atlantic Basin: No tropical cyclones.

Eastern North Pacific Basin (E of 140 Deg. W): No tropical cyclones.

Central North Pacific Basin (180 Deg. W to 140 Deg. W):

   Tropical Storm Hali: At the beginning of the summary, Hali was moving
west-northwest with 45 kt. This turned out to be the peak intensity. Rapid
weakening then developed, and Hali dissipated on 30 March near 7N 176W.

Western North Pacific Basin (W of 180 Deg. W): No tropical cyclones.

   Special Western North Pacific Update: Further information on Typhoon 
Ruth has been recieved in the Weekly Climate Bulletin:

   Typhoon Ruth (Weekly Summaries #12 & 13): At least 44 people were killed 
when Typhoon Ruth hit Luzon Island in the Philippines.

North Indian Ocean Basin: No tropical cyclones.

   Special North Indian Ocean Update: Further information on Tropical Cy-
clone 04B has been recieved in the Weekly Climate Bulletin:

   Tropical Cyclone 04B (Weekly Summary #15): Five people were killed and
20,000 were rendered homeless when Tropical Cyclone 04B made landfall near
Pondicherry on the east coast of southern India.

South Indian Ocean Basin (W of 135 Deg. E): No tropical cyclones.

South Pacific Ocean Basin (E of 135 Deg. E): No tropical cyclones.

Disclaimer: While an effort has been made to make sure this information is 
accurate as possible, it was drawn from operational warnings that may not
always agree with the best track information published after the storm is
over. Please address any questions or comments by e-mail to:

                    jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu.

Past copies of the Tropical Cyclone Weekly Summary can be obtained via e-
mail. Please send an e-mail message if you are interested.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: system@convax.iar.nrc.ca (Jim.Jordan)
Subject: Carribean Hurricane Info ? 
Reply-To: system@convax.iar.nrc.ca (Jim.Jordan)
Organization: National Research Council,Ottawa,Canada
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 08:24:48 EDT

Meteorology Newsgroup					Apr-7-92

	Can anyone tell me about hurricane patterns in the Carribean ? Which
islands are in the normal hurricane paths and which aren't ? And the normal
season to expect hurricane activity ? I would be particularly interested in
information on St. Maarten and the Cayman Islands ? 

							---Jim---

________________________________________________________________________________
Jim Jordan,				Internet: jordan@convax.iar.nrc.ca
Rm.233, Bldg. U-61, FRL			Phone: (613) 998-4809
Institute for Aerospace Research,	Fax:   (613) 952-1704
National Research Council,	
Ottawa, CANADA  K1A 0R6
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: karchang@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kar Man Chang)
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.170732.5359@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu> kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas) writes:
>Do you understand everything there is to know about thunderstorms and tornadoes?
>Can you explain with 100% accuracy how they form, why they exist, and when
>they will die.
>
>I thought not.  Until you do, you can't say "meteorology is an exact science".
>

Can someone please enlighten me what "exact science" mean?  As far as I
know, in every branch of science, there are still a lot of things which
we still do not understand, and meteorology does not seem to be unique
in this sense.
From: baran04@wharton.upenn.edu (Dave Baran)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Name that plane
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:40:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <22769@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
> Just saw a real oddball fly over the Berkeley hills, pretty high
> (several thousand feet AGL). It had almost enough wingspan for a 
> powered sailplane and the mother of all pitot tubes or sampling 
> tubes protruding from the port wing.  Any ideas about whose it is
> and what they're looking for?
> 

NASA Ames (Moffett Field) has an aircraft that would fit that
description.  The thing is used for aircraft/helicopter noise
monitoring.  I believe that it is a powered sailplane of some
sort; the probe is a noise monitoring device.  If I remember
correctly, the engine is in the front, so they stuck the probe
out on the wing so it could record the ambient noise.  I've seen
it flying over Sunnyvale following a helicopter which was making
repeated approaches.

-- Dave Baran
baran04@wharton.upenn.edu
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:34:29 GMT

in article <44380@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale) says:

> ignores warnings, and most importantly that METEOROLOGY IS NOT AN
> EXACT SCIENCE.                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the job I've always wanted; a job where you can be wrong all the
time and not get fired :-) :-) :-)
--
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Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 01:02:56 EDT
From: Robert Edward Hart <REH113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: a few more sites for duats....

Here are a few more international hourly obs sites available on duats...not all
those listed report every hour, and I haven't been able to locate those with
?????? for country.

MNMG - Managua, Nicarargua
MRLB - Llano Grande, ???????
MRPT - Puntarenas, Costa Rica
MROC - El Coco, Santa Maria Intl., ?????
MRPV - Tobias Bolanos, ??????
MRLM - Puerto Limon, ???Costa Rica???
SKSP - Sesqui Centenario, ???????
MPHO - Howard AFB, ??????
MPTO - General Omar Torrijos Herrara (!), ???????
---------------------------------
Bob Hart
reh113@psuvm.psu.edu
rhart@wilbur.psu.edu
rhart@snafu.psu.edu
From: dir2@gte.com (Dean Radin)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: weather data archives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:51:57 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

Does anyone know of terrestrial weather data archives accessible via 
anonymous ftp?  I know about the mag and flare archives on 
solar.stanford.edu and the daily solar broadcast service, but I haven't 
found a place that carries regional archives on variables such as
surface temperature, barometric pressure, etc.  

I'd be interested in the same info on CD-ROM if there is no ftp-able
source.

Dean Radin
GTE Laboratories
radin@gte.com
From: morris@anasaz (Bob Morris)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:01:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Apr11.194124.19912@cs.yale.edu> korins-russ@CS.YALE.EDU (Russ Korins) writes:
>
> [forecast position of front was off, screwed up temperature forecast for NYC]
>
>The NYC forecaster in that case is in a tough situation.  What is he or
>she supposed to do, say "highs from the low 50's to the low 90's?"  In
>the eyes of the general public, he or she would lose all credibility.  It
>most likely is a no-win situation.

What I like in a forecast (and actually get by choosing to watch the
forecasters who do it) is the explanation of the situation and how the
possible outcomes will affect me.  For example, "there is a cold front
off the coast of California heading this way.  If it hits us, we'll get
from 2 to 3 inches of rain tomorrow.  It may pass to the North, and if
it does, we may get a little drizzle, or just some clouds."

This way, whether the front hits or misses, I'm not disappointed in the
forecast.  In the weather maybe, but not the forecast.

When another forecaster faces the same situation and just says "chance
of rain tomorrow 80%", and it doesn't rain, I'm disappointed.

Bob Morris
aka morris@anasazi.com  (new address)
anasaz!morris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (old address still works)
My opinions only, of course...
From: shipman@zippy.gso.uri.edu (Scott Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:20:19 GMT
Reply-To: shipman@zippy.gso.uri.edu (Scott Lindstrom)
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Rhode Island, Graduate School of Oceanography

--
In article <1992Apr10.024701.16022@midway.uchicago.edu>, rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu
(raymond thomas pierrehumbert) writes:

$>>  meteorology is not an exact science
$>
$>This statement has come up a number of times in this thread. I beg
$>to differ.  Meteorology IS an exact science.  At least, it is
$>at least as exact as the other physical sciences, and probably
$>more so than biology (from a quantitative standpoint).  It is
$>based on precise physical principles systematically applied.
$>
$>I get peeved when "meteorology" is conflated with "weather prediction"
$>As a science, weather prediction holds a distinguished status,
   -- [ etc ]

$>That is a matter of sociology.
$>
$>But, meteorology is an exact science.
$>

Maybe it would help things if you defined exactly what you think the science of
meteorology is.  I can tell you think it is not weather prediction, but that's
what the NBC story was about.   Weather prediction is sometimes still a lot
unprogrammable human intuition and therefore a rather inexact science (or should
that be `science'?).  Except here in Rhode Island where most of the forecasts
are wrong  -:).

Anyway, I am reminded of the attitudes of several meteorology professors I am
acquainted with who think forecasters are just barely scientists.  Is it any
wonder all the meteorology departments are becoming atmospheric science
departments?

Scott

"The democratic theory is that if you accumulate enough ignorance at the
polls you produce intelligence"  Philo Vance, _The Benson Murder Case_.

shipman@zippy.gso.uri.edu 4017926509 URI GSO NBC Narragansett RI 02882
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