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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 4 YARDS AWAY FROM SYRACUSE UPSET.. MIAMI, 16-10..
Keywords: n
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:23:51 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production


>Yeah, right!
>
>FYI, the field goal would have tied the game for FSU. Same goes for other
>penn state game.
>
>No wonder they don't ask your vote for AP poll!
>
>Miami played the games close because
>
>1) They were playing very good football teams (FSU, Syracuse, Penn State)
>2) All these were on the road! (exception being Arizona who were playing 
>great football until last week)
>
>I bet if they play TCU and other pasties A&M and Alabama and FSU plays, they
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will win big.
>
>>-Brian Harper
>
>Njan

Njan's brains shine through again...  

Njan, Miami did play TCU....

I hereby nominate Njan for the "This is your brain on drugs" poster...

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: ND and PSU                    
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:29:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.201006.15411@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>>
>>Just curious:  how many of those 8 wins came against Faust, and what is
>>PSU's record vs. the Holtz-coached Irish?
>>
>
>Not quite as many as ND has against pre-Paterno Penn St.
>
>PSU vs ND 
> against Holtz, 4-3
> against Faust, 4-1
>
>
>John L

Actually, I think most of ND's wins vs. Penn St. have come when Paterno
was coach.  Didn't he start coaching there in the 60s?  I know that the
Irish beat them in a bowl game in the 70s, and that, coupled with the
4 Irish wins cited above, makes (at least) 5 out of 8 wins against
Paterno (the series is tied 8-8-1).  The real question now is how the
heck did Faust ever win even one against Paterno?


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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heavy Underdog Lehigh ALMOST Upsets Lafayette
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:09:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1embooINNa49@mizar.usc.edu>, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
>College football's MOST played rivalry, Lehigh v. Lafayette
>concluded its 128th meeting today with underdog Lehigh giving
>Patriot League winner Lafayette a run for its money.
>
>The final score was Lafayette 32       Lehigh 29
>
>Don't look for ANY posts about this game from the winners....
>they don't know how :-)
>
>Supposedly true story about Lafayette...they got their first shipment
>of IBM computers and returned all of them because of alleged defects...
>When they plugged them in, turned them on, and the computer responded
>with "Strike any key to continue" the poor souls at Lafayette
>complained that none of the keyboards had a key marked "any."
>
>                                       BleedsDodgerBlue
>
I missed the game today, I was stuck in Linderman Library writing a paper, but
I'm glad we atleast came close, I do however have a question.  Did anyone get
the goal posts and who won the post game melee, I have locked my self in my
room and this is the only way I can find out.  Actually I heard that the only
reason Lafayette ordered IBM over apple is because they could at least spell
it.  What do Laughfayette students do over thanksgiving break? Pumpkin.
FUCK LAFAYETTE.
 
-- 
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:56:27 GMT

Randy Peppler (peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: >>0 wins=NO WHERE
: 
: 	Not necessarily.  Wouldn't a 6-5 Texas team be more attractive
: 	than any of these ridiculous .500 Big Ten teams?  I am simply

Not when you consider that only five of those wins would have come against
division I-A teams...

: 	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?

In Waco. Baylor has won 3 of the last 4 overall, and 6 of the last 8 in Waco.
-- 
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From: thiaga@bind.cs.fsu.edu (Raghuram Thiagarajan)
Subject: Lee Corso Screws A&M
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:19:12 GMT


	Something I was curious about :- 
		Given the fact that almost everybody thinks Corso is
	a fool .  Also, the fact that noone takes him seriously.
	Is it neccesary that FSU jumped TAMU in the polls solely
	due to "CORSO's" woofing ? 
		Is it so hard to accept that the Pollsters may have 
	been capable of independant thinking ?

		I personally dont think Corso could've made such a 
	difference. Considering that the other two "Sane" ESPN
	commentators with less radical views were against the 
	shift in poll positions . Think about  it ! 

-Raghu.			[FOREVER NOLE !!]

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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: who's going to the Rose ball?
Keywords: n
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.173202.3374@athena.mit.edu> clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
>It seems to me that Washington had already been granted the Rose Bowl
>bid prior to their terrible loss at Washington State. What is the PAC-10
>tiebreaker that favors the Huskies who hold the same conference record
>as Washing State does?

They don't have the same record.  UW is 6-2 in the PAC-10; we are 5-3.
UW has the same conference record as Stanford, but they beat Stanford, 
so head-to-head gives it to them.

Jim
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:45:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtwGM.BqL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.194506.19045@mlb.semi.harris.com> David Head, 
>dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:

>>year.  But, I have heard that we lose Tulane for Notre Dame next year. 
>If

>>to have to win (even if Notre Dame is in Tallahassee instead).  Can
>anyone
>>confirm?

>Florida State at Notre Dame, Nov 13  
>		(It snowed in South Bend on Nov 13 this year)

	What has this got to do with the Big 10 bowl picture?
	Change the subject heading if you write about something else.
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Wake Forest/Virginia - Bowl Hopes
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:13:25 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunkj.larc.nasa.gov
Keywords: damn!

>>But Kevin, your Cavaliers have to beat my Hokies first...
>>
>>I wouldn't consider that a given...
>
>First of all, I'm Charlie - perhaps you have me confused with one of 
>your fellow Turkey fans.

Kevin already pointed this out to me.

I feel like I just threw an INT.

I hope this is not an omen of the upcoming game...

So, Charlie - traveling to Blacksburg this weekend?
Its an "All American Town" you know...  :-)

Michael Nelson
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov20.030804.9175@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:56:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.030804.9175@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:

   From article <BILLMS.92Nov19185113@gip.eecs.umich.edu>,
   by billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith):
   > In article <1992Nov19.202837.21682@serval.net.wsu.edu>
   > jjungbau@meriadoc.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
   > 
   >    No kidding!  It's especially ridiculous that the Big Ten will probably
   >    have as many or more teams in bowls than the PAC-10.  Every time I hear
   >    about Iowa going to the Copper Bowl at 6-5 I cringe, knowing that WSU is
   >    more deserving.  Even if we lose the Apple Cup, at 7-4, we're still better
   >    than Iowa.
   > 
   > What teams has WSU lost to, and which ones has it beaten?  Iowa has lost to
   > several ranked teams, and looked pretty darn good through the year.  They
   > gave Miami a game, though not a real scare.

   Hey, I think Northwestern lost to some ranked teams, too!  Why aren't they
   being considered for a bowl?  In respectable college bowl games (which
   the Copper apparently isn't), *winning* games is a fairly high priority.

Stephen, do you get rewarded for being a good team or beating any team?  What
do you think is right?  I've seen Iowa several times, and with their qb back
healthy they are a very good football team.  This years Iowa team, I'm pretty
convinced, is better than almost any recent WSU team.  Maybe not this years
WSU team, I don't know.  Thats why I asked.  Why did you fly off the handle?

Jim was saying that WSU was much better than Iowa and deserved to go to the
bowl ahead of them.  Thats a lot different from saying that WSU has a better
record, unless you believe that the better team *always* wins and all
schedules are created equal.  Based on the responce that somebody else
posted, I think its pretty clear that WSU has beaten some solid teams this
year. 

Bill

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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Bowl paranoia
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:11:35 GMT

Geez, you'd think this Minne-pop fan would wake up and find a clue.


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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:58:37 GMT

William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
>Fawcett) writes:

>>AP
>>
>>1. Miami
>>2. Alabama
>>3. FSU
>>4. Texas A&M
>>
>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>
>>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU >and
>>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The >most
>>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the

>At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule didn't rear it's
>head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
>atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
>just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
>A&M. What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 
>Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
>and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
>anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
>was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
>rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  Arizona's schedule has been
>tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!

No one has proven they were tougher or better than Miami, Bama, or A&M, while
someone has proven that they were better, at least on a particular Saturday,
than fsu.

Todd

>Will
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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: 11/22 AP and Coaches' polls
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:05:31 GMT


A.P. Poll:

====	===================	=====	======		======		===
Rank	team			fpv	record		points		pvs
====	===================	=====	======		======		===
  1 	Miami 			(61)	10-0	  	1,549		 1
  2 	Alabama			 (1)	10-0		1,483		 2
  3 	Florida State			 9-1		1,407		 3
  4 	Texas A&M			11-0		1,389		 4
  5 	Notre Dame			 8-1-1		1,289		 7
  6 	Florida				 8-2		1,166		 9
  7 	Michigan			 8-0-3		1,084		 6
  8	Syracuse			 9-2		1,077		 8
  9	Georgia				 8-2		1,030		10
 10	Colorado			 9-1-1		  976		11
 11	Washington			 9-2		  928		 5
 12	Nebraska			 7-2		  914		12
 13	North Carolina St.		 9-2-1		  856		13
 14	Stanford			 9-3		  828		14
 15	Ohio State			 8-2-1		  653		17
 16	Mississippi State		 7-3		  575		18
 17	Boston College			 8-2-1		  516		19
 18	Tennessee			 7-3		  432		20
 19	Southern Cal			 6-3-1		  357		15
 20	North Carolina			 8-3		  351		21
 21	Washington State		 8-3		  314		--
 22	Penn State			 7-4		  282		23
 23	Arizona				 6-4-1		  257		16
 24	Mississippi			 7-3		  204		24
 25	Brigham Young			 8-4		  114		--
====	===================	=====	======		======		===

Also receiving votes:  Hawaii 41, Bowling Green 31, Kansas 16, Illinois 9,
Southern Mississippi 5, Virginia 4, Wake Forest 3, Arizona State 2, Baylor 2,
Rice 2, Fresno State 1, Rutgers 1, Texas 1, UCLA 1


Coaches' poll:

====	===================	=====	======		======		===
Rank	team			fpv	record		points		pvs
====	===================	=====	======		======		===
  1	Miami			 (60)	10-0		1,500		 1
  2	Alabama				10-0		1,433		 2
  3	Texas A&M			11-0		1,370		 3
  4	Florida State			 9-1		1,327		 4
  5	Notre Dame			 8-1-1		1,237		 6
  6	Colorado			 9-1-1		1,064		 9
  7	Georgia				 8-2		1,016		10
  8	Michigan			 8-0-3		1,013		 8
  9	Syracuse			 9-2		  988		 7
 10	Florida				 8-2		  980		11
 11	North Carolina St.		 9-2-1		  895		13
 12	Nebraska			 7-2		  882		12
 13	Washington			 9-2		  876		 5
 14	Stanford			 9-3		  737		15
 15	Ohio State			 8-2-1		  611		16
 16	Boston College			 8-2-1		  499		19
 17	Mississippi State		 7-3		  469		18
 18	Tennessee			 7-3		  461		20
 19	North Carolina			 8-3		  370		22
 20	Washington State		 8-3		  364		25t
 21	Penn State			 7-4		  287		23
 22	Arizona				 6-4-1		  257		17
 23	Southern Cal			 6-3-1		  233		14
 24	Mississippi			 7-3		  202		24
 25	Brigham Young			 8-4		  137		--
====	===================	=====	======		======		===

Also receiving votes:  Hawaii 91, Kansas 32, Virginia 31, Illinois 27,
Fresno State 26, Bowling Green 22, Rice 15, UCLA 9, Air Force 8,
West Virginia 7, Nevada 6, Rutgers 6, Wake Forest 6, Southern Mississippi 3,
Airzona State 1, Oregon 1, Texas 1
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BxtqEE.JL2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Nov16.201557.2778@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<BxuAH5.FBD@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:47:05 GMT

In article <BxuAH5.FBD@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:

   yoonho@taipei.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park) writes:

   >Uh, when did Bill post a rude response to you?  I know Bill.  He's a
   >nice guy.  Well, when you're fighting him for a rebound under the glass
   >he's not a nice guy, but that's different.  I think you might be
   >interpreting some of his sarcasm as rudeness.

   If this is the case, then let me say "sorry" in public.  

   Wait a sec, did I just run into a Michigan fan who wasn't obnoxious?

He's obnoxious on the hardcourt, Greg, trust me....

Bill
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Keywords: ghoti hunting
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:06:02 GMT

In article <Bxx283.GKG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>>I recently found this definition of the word Aggie in Webster's dictionary:
>
>>Aggie - n. 1. an asshole whose size is so extraordinary that the Eiffel tower
>>       fits inside with only moderate lubrication. 2. a large conglomeration
>>       of hicks into what has been called a "school". adj. 3 the USUALLY 
>>       undesirable condition of a part of the body, especially genitalia.
>>       usage: Your penis is Aggie.
>
>And someone asked me why I 'used' to like fsu?  Thank you Kevin for making
>my point.
>
>Todd
>
>p.s. Have you contacted Webster to get the new definition in his book???
>
>>Kevin
>
>

CLIFF!!! LEE!!! SOMEBODY!!! GET THE NET, I GOT ME A BIG ONE!!!

:)

Kevin


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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: BYU QB (was Re: FIVE WAC BOWL TEAMS????)
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:32:26 -0700

> 
> What's the latest word in Provo about Hancock's status?
> 
> 
Hancock and Clements are out for the year.  Walsh is redshirting...
and Tom (Steve's brother) Young will be backed up by a walk-on.

arthur
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Go U Northwestern!
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:00:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.By6q95.1qI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Nov22.054701.11468@news.acns.nwu.edu> fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>At the beginning of the Big Ten season, I heard plenty of predictions
>giving Northwestern 9th or 10th place.
>
>Well, the Big Ten season is over, and Northwestern is tied for 6th with
>Indiana, Wisconsin, and Purdue, being awarded 7th in tie-breakers, or at
>least MY system (2-1 record among 4 teams beating Purdue and Wisconsin at
>1-2, losing to Indiana on head-to-head).

	I give them 9th because of overall record...

	Great win over Bucky, though!

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From: ongh@iastate.edu (Undertaker...)
Subject: Oklahoma and Steve Collins
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:09:01 GMT

News from Norman has it that the players had a conference with the coaches
and Gary Gibbs regarding QB Steve Collins. Apparently, some of the players
were dissatisfied over last Saturday's 15-15 tie with OSU.

Here's my opinion:
I think OU should go back to their option offense. In the game against 
Missouri, they racked up 500+ yards when Gundy was out of action. Steve Collins
had a marvelous game that day. I think the score was also pretty awesome.....
can't remember though. I don't know what Gibbs is up to, I thot he should have
let Collins start against OSU since the option worked so well......

anyway, they have the week off i think, so the situation may not be as bad as
it seem.

hank
ongh@iastate.edu
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 HYPE
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:11:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov16.041105.14764
Distribution: na
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov15.213717.22965@leland.Stanford.EDU> elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:
>It was definitely an interesting Saturday this week.  Arizona upset by USC,
>Washington St. upset by Stanford, Washington crushing Oregon St.  It seems
>like there are a five strong teams in the conference this year - Washington,
>Stanford, USC, Washington St., Arizona.  No MNC contenders, but methinks any
>could be spoilers for such contenders...
>
>.....Elson.....
>

But were any of the results unexpected???  USC was a 2 point favorite over
Arizona (home field advantage).  Stanford was the favorite over WSU, and
Washington was a huge favorite over OSU.


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From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bxx7Mt.En6
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Bxw0BE.94D@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>
>
>Alright you guys , cut out the bullshit !!! You're going to have me
>sticking up for Michigan soon !   

Your comment prompts me to post another variation, 
change the last two lines on the second verse:

Hail etc
Hail etc
Fuck You! Michigan!
The Assholes of the World!!


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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks...
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:17:24 GMT

In article <14712.2b099fe3@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Go for the touchdown:	3) Make it you win the Big-10 Championship, keep the
>			National Championship alive, beat OSU and its
>			almost in the bag.
>
>			4) Fail and you lost the National Championship bid
>			and play OSU for the Big-10 Championship.
>
>By going for 3) he has much more to gain, the worse that can happen is
>4) which is also 2), and if Michigan is a MNC caliber team they should be
>able to win this one.

Perhaps Moeller didn't want to risk losing to ILL and then subsequently
losing to TOSU.  That would mean that his much-heralded team wouldn't
even have won the conference outright.  Frankly, I don't any problem
with his kicking (a 4th and 15 is a LONG shot).  The real issue is
what he was thinking when he went for the 2-pt conversion (and then
after it got kicked back to the 10-yard line).

Last year I graciously offered UofM fans a wish of good luck after
beating my beloved TOSU Buckeyes for the trip to Pasedena.  I will
wish UofM luck again, although this time, you are REALLY going to
need it against Washington.

Drew
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