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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:35:45 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: A DARK DAY FOR TAMILS!
	<1993Jan21.015404.19344@cc.uow.edu.au>

MURALIDHARAN CHINNAIYAN  writes:

>If we are aggressors then why did your people come in boats to our country
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>for help. You can't deny the fact that it is the Indian tax-payer including
>the North Indian people who bear the cost of providing food and other 
>facilities to lakhs of your people in the refugee camps in India. 
>So be thankful for that and don't curse those people who help you.

The central government is still an agressor towards the Eelam Tamils.
And it has made sure the TN government is also so by helping to ouster
Karunanidhi and install Jeya as the chief mininster. If the North Indian
people bore the burden of tax when IPKF was bombing and killing Tamils,
they can certainly afford to spend far less on people who fled those
bombs. 

>Why don't you people mind your own business and if you want a 
>separate country then fight for it.Don't involve us in it. 
>We are happy to be Indians and we don't want to travel to Jaffna
>>without a visa from Madurai, as we have everything in Madurai 
>itself.

You have the picture reversed here. It was India under Indira Gandhi
that started the policy of 'interference' in Tamil affairs, on both
sides of Palk Strait. And the Birtish drew the maps, cutting the
cultural and political links between Tamils from both sides. Even though
this was never fully implemented by the British, the newly independent
governments from India and Ceylon went about to do just that to control
nationalism(Tamil).

>Our state is notin a  pathetic condition. May be yours. I must remind 
If you accept the current status of Tamil Nadu under the Madam, then it shows 
where your heart lies.

>We have enough power and we enjoy all rights enjoyed by 
>all Indian citizens. You need not bother about our cultural 
>degradation. We know how to take care of our culture. 

You mean to say that YOU personally cast a vote for Jeyalalitha?

>Nobody is pilfering our valuable resources. The Tamils in Tamil nadu 
>are not being dictated by anyone else. So don't bother yourself.
                           ^^^^^^^  
You should check reports on how certain 'items vanish' from kovils. How
some  templs are fallling into neglect. The 'freedom' the media enjoys.
Robber-baron land deals between Ammaha and her unworthy lot. I aslo have
much doubts as to the claim of the chief mininster to be a Tamil.

-Suresh
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 80
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.49113
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"kannith thamizh thanthathoru thiruvaasagam!
	 kallaik kani aakkum undhan oru vaasagam!!"

	Contributed by T.C.A. Venkatesan.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 79
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:08:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.49045
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"paanaiyilE soRirundhaal poonaihalum sondhamadaa!!
	 sOdhanaiyai pangu vaiththaal sondhamillE ! bandhamillE !"


	From "yArai nambi nAn poRandhEn ..."
	
	Contributed by Raj.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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From: sp2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: 'anthaathi' songs....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:54:43 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Vicky writes:

> 'vasanthakaala nathikaLilE'.... last word of Nth line is the first
>                                word of (N+1)th line.

> 'aadiveLLi thEdiyunnai'......... the above for line pairs.

   I think the rule you have given for an `anthaathi' song is
incomplete. There are two rules, I think :

  (1) The last word of the Nth line should be the first word 
      of the (N+1)th line.

  (2) For the last line, the last word is the first word of
      the first line.

   The polular Tamil `anthaathi' work `abiraami anthaathi' by ???
 satisfies the above two rules.

   Also, the movie song `vasantha kaala nathikaLilE' is an
 `anthaathi' song featuring (1) and (2). However, the last
 two lines in the song Kannadasan wrote for Rajinikanth in
 the movie `moonRu mudichchu' was left out in the movie
 soundtrack. I think you must have seen this movie. Kamal's
 character dies in the movie ( he falls from the boat into the
 lake ) after the second stanza in the song  and the song
 will be ended by Rajini's character ( Prasad ? ).


\(TAMIL)

 vasantha kaala nadhikaLilE vairamaNi neeralaigaL
 neeralaikaL meethinilE nenchiraNdin ninaivalaigaL

 ninaivalaigaL thodarnthu vanthaal nEramellaam kanavalaigaL
 kanavalaigaL valarvatharkku kaamanavan malar(k) kaNaigaL

 malar(k) kaNaikal paainthu vittaal madi iraNdum panchanaigaL
 panchanaiyil paLLi kondaal manam iraNdum thalaiyanaigaL
 thalaiyanaiyil mugam puthaiththu sarasamidum puthukalaigaL
 puthukalaigal peruvatharku poomalai manavinaigaL

(not in thk soundtrack)

 manavinaigaL yaarudanO maayavanin vidhivakaikaL
 vidhivakaiyai mudivu seyyum vasantha kaala neeralaikaL

 [ Note that the song ends with `vasantha kaala neeralaikaL',
  the first words in line 1..]

- SP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian)
Subject: vaLLuvan kaatiya vazhi - 7
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:46:11 GMT

________________________________________________________________

        Thirukkural      Chapter 1       "kadavuL vazhththu"
					   (Praise of God)


[7]   	     "thanakuvamai illaathaanthaaL sErndhaarku allaal
	      manakkavalai maaRRal aridhu"

	"Anxiety of mind cannot be removed, except from those who
         are united to the feet of him who is without likeness"


	  	 Posted by Satish Subramanian
___________________________________________________________________

Corrections/ Discussions/ Different Interpretations are welcome.
	    subraman@cs.umn.edu ( Satish Subramanian )	
	        Thanks to Siva Bala Narayanan
___________________________________________________________________
From: krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:08:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48935
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering


  A month ago,murgesh@entropy.esd.sgi.com(Murgesh Navar)
  posted the following fascinating passage from the Rig
  Veda:

>
               A Passage from the Rig veda 
                ---------------------------

        Then there was neither being nor non-being:
        There was no air, nor firmament beyond it.
        Was there a stirring ? Where ? Beneath what cover ?
        Was there a great abyss of unplumbed water ?

        There was no death nor anything immortal;
        Nor any sign dividing day from night.
        That One thing, in the stillness, breathed quiescent;
        No second thing existed whatsoever.

        Darkness was hidden in a deeper darkness;
        This All was as a sea without dimensions;
        The void still held unformed what was potential,
        Until the power of Warmth produced the sole One...

        Who truly knows, and who can here declare it ?
        Whence it was born, and how this world was fashioned ?
        The gods came later than the earth's creation:
        Who knows then out of what the world has issued ?

        Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
        He knows whence this creation came, he only
        Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
        He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!


>

        I have the following comment to make:

        The last line is similar to St.John's statement in
        the Fourth Gospel of the New Testament:

             " And the light shineth in the darkness;and    
               the darkness comprehendeth it not."

        Probably the above lines and the last line of the
        passage indicate that the creation of the universe
        is a spontaneous process rather than a self-willed
        one.          

        If there are any other opinions/comments/interpretations,                       please post them on the net.




Ashok Krishnamurthy,
Dept. of MS & E,
OGI,Oregon,USA.
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Fourth Tamil articles in ACT
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:28:19 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

    If any SCT nettors have misunderstood my introductory
article on the fourth Tamil articles in ACT to take the
wrong meaning that Selvakumar (selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca)
engaged only in aryan-dravidian `ancient history' duel with
Kuram Narayana, my apologies. I did not mean that in my last
article and I was just referring to a long run discussion in
SCT and I mentioned Selva's name as he took a main part in it.
Selva is a good writer in SCT and he has posted several other
articles in SCT also. I had a duel with him myself on an
another subject - `Women in Sangam age', but it was conducted
in a healthy way and Selva allowed me to disagree with his
views. Other good articles by Selva will certainly include
his series of articles on the Tamil words used in north Indian
languages (whcih featured a short duel between Selva and
Viswanath) and his recent articles on translations of the
Thiruppaavai verses and Appar's theEvaaram verse. Selva also
took part in the fourth Tamil discussion in ACT and I will
post his article on that topic also. I forgot to include his
name when I was mentioning the nettors who took part in that
good discussion in ACT and I request Selva and SCT readers
to understand that the omission of Selva's name in that list
was not intentional.

 Thanks,
 - SP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Paaradhi inRu irundhhal...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:48:16 GMT



In article <C1JBnK.80E@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan
 K.) writes:
>
>In addition, to his liberal views on caste, his opposition to
>'male chauvenism' based on many stories in Hindu mythology
>is well documented. Yet he did not want to throw away the rest.


     Actually all his writings did not come as print.  I have read some of his
poems in some leftist magazines which were deliberately kept unpublished by
the vested interests.  Some of his poems were edited and published with blank
lines or abrupt discontinuites.  This was also mentioned in that magazine.


>
>Anyway, I suppose he deserves some credit for whatever good he
>did to Tamil society of HIS TIME, in spite of whatever racial
>origin he was by birth.

     yes, I agree.


>
>K. Srinivasan
From: rajamani_t@vmsnet.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Consequences
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:33:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <8fLpkla00UhWE8smkg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU> writes...
>This information is coming from reliable sources.
> 
>Kittu(a Central Committe member), a major and two captains of rank(LTTE)
>committed suicide to avoid being tortured and questened by the Indian
>navy. 
>India assumes sole resbonsibility for their death. After all, IN
>'pirated' the ship, MV Ahat, in international waters. It is simply an
>illegal act.

I think India has the right to do whatever is best of India's interest
including killing, arresting terrorists like LTTE wherever they are.
Do you remember Panama?                                               


> 
>It is of my view that an edgy naval officer was responsible for this tragedy.
>Rao, having enough at hand already, must be regretting this affair.

Oh! Rao does not have anything else to care about. LTTE is like a peruchali in
a house. It should be completely eliminated.


>Unless, this action was authorized from higher-ups in Delhi.

>As before, India has courted the ire of Eelam Tamils again. Just as
>before, India will feel the wrath.

Thambi enough of this mirattals. I think that ltte will decay itself with
ongoing military operations, with its shrinking base in europe ( a major money
extortion base for ltte) and the dislike of ordinary citizens grow stronger
(like in punjab)

RT
> 
> 
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: an7506@anon.penet.fi (aruLmozhi varman)
Subject:  samrpaNam
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:10:07 GMT

>From: tss@unislc.uucp (Srinivasan Thothathri)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: samarppaNam- to a killer!!
>Message-ID: <1993Jan25.160209.318@unislc.uucp>
>Date: 25 Jan 93 16:02:09 GMT
>Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
>Lines: 11
>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
>
>
>	I am surprised to see a song dedicated to a leader of a notorious gang
>which killed, ans also killing, the inoocent tamil people for it's leader's
>power thirst!!!.
>
>	Don't try to insult the meaning of samarppaNam.
>
>	Please stop posting such nonsense!!!
>
>
>Srini.
>

	We "innocent tamils" of SL know what is happening to us. We also know
who our true representatives are. I presume that you are an Indian. If the
sct is to be a realistic union of tamils, then there  must have mutual respect.
By know you should know that the SL tamils atleast the ones who are here in the net consider LTTE as freedom fighters. So calling them "killers" &  "power
thirsty"  will draw a immuvable wedge between us.
		Innocent people are killed in a civil war time in SL. But
much more in a shorter span were/are killed in India. Your own PM accuses
BJP which was/is a ruling party in some states, of triggering the violence. 
So if you want to critisice "powers thirstiness" you have enough source
at your disposal.

                   thamizhan

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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 76
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:10:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48929
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"mEga vaNNam pOla minnum aadaiyinaalE,
	 malai mEni ellam mooduthamma, naaNathinaalE !
	 pakkamaaga vantha pinnum vetkamaagumaa? ingE
	 paarvaiyOdu paarvai sEra thoothu vEndumaa?"

	 From "paattu paadavaa..."

	 Contributed by Satish Subramanian.

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: scientific tamil [ was Re: A ThEvaaram verse (translation) ]
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:41:29 GMT

In article <C1E3wH.1yC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>>
>
>I think our ancestors enriched our language by developing bakthi 
>thoughts in our language more than in any other language.  Tamil
>is rivaling Hebrew in the quantity (as well as quality) of 
>devotional hymns  (evan after massive number of losses in the hands
>of Skt. zealots).
>
>Our duty at the moment, as Sornam Sankara wrote in ACT, is to develop
>our language in Scientific and Rational thoughts.  Let Tamil have more
>original works in these (as Bharathi requested).
>
>Meenan Vishnu

Couldn't agree more. The series of articles posted at that time were quite
heavy in contents. I was hoping that that would trigger some healthy discussion
in the valai. Due to some turn of events, like the inception of SCT, the
discussions never took place.

Can somebody post those articles in parts?

Thanks
S_Bala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: durai@ortta.umn.edu (Durai Venkatasubramanian)
Subject: Re: padikkattu varihal pOtti
Organization: U of Mn
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:59:47 GMT

In article <5322@gos.ukc.ac.uk> rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj) writes:
>
>	             You have to send your own "padikkattu vari".

What is "padikkattu vari" ?  Is that the same as "cindhu" ?
From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: tamil scripts
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:40:25 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I am interested in implementing the program which someone else (Kathiravan
I think)  suggested. But as I drowned in the assessment given, I only intend
to to a very simple version -- which is good enough for the need. I request
your help. 
     Can the netters take turn and "draw" the scripts in the following format.


a[1] = "   o    " ,
a[2] = "  __\\_|" ,
a[3] = "  \\_/ |" ,
a[4] = "        " ;


ie letters should be fit between 8 columns & 4 rows.  a[1]  etc are arrays
in C ( a programming language). Please stick to the format. It will save me a
lot of time.
          
for  the next letter the format will be

A[1] = "........" ,
A[2] = "........" ,
A[3] = "........" ,
A[4] = "........" ;

 Note the  very last cahracter is a ";" unlike the previous lines which
has a "," at the end.



        I donot promise the completion. But a trial is better that nothing
I suppose. It all depends on the assessment I get.

           raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: Re: A DARK DAY FOR TAMILS! (Who support LTTE and terrorists)
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:06:16 GMT

In article <kfNR82200WB8RZdVBs@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>
>Personally, I don't believe in judging anyone by his/her caste background.
>Only, merit and his/her deeds determine the worth of character. Where I differ

Yeah right... given your record on the net,  even you wouldn't quite trust
what you just said...... I'll leave you alone so that you can come up with more
voodoo research stemming fram material obtained from your reliable sources.

bapcha
From: rajamani_t@vmsnet.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan)
Subject: Sri-Lankan Tamil Terrorists blow up Gandhi statue in Villupuram
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:28:53 GMT

(UPI News) 
And also offices of congress party. 


Assholes!

RT
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: pun in tamil movie songs
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <1k0s2pINNqt7@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable) writes:

>[1] From the song "endha oor enRRavane?"

>    udalooril vaazhnthirunthEn,uRavooril mithanthirunthEn,
>    karuvooril kudipukunthEn,maNNooril vizhunthuvittEn,
>    kaNNooril thavazhnthirunthEn,kaiyooril vaLarnthirunthEn,
>    kaalooril nadanthuvanthEn, kaaLaiyoor vandhuvittEn
>    vEloorai paarththuvittEn, vizhiyooril kalanthuvittEn,
>    paalooRum paruvam ennum pattinaththil kudi pukunthEn

>    kaadhaloor kaattiyavaL kaattoril vittuvittaaL,
>    kaNNiyoor maRanthavudan kadalooril vizhunthuvittEn,
      *******

    kannioor 
>    paLLaththoor thannil ennai parithavikka vittuvittu
>    mEttooril antha mangai melERi ninRukoNdaaL
>    keezhooril vaazhvathRkum kiLi mozhiyaai illaiyadaa <--
>    [I don't get this line. Can anybody explain? ]

     The man is sunk in deep misery [paLLaththoor ]
      I have not seen the movie. She has reached heaven.[mEttoor]
     For him to live on earth [keezhoor] that maiden with parrot
     voice [kiLimozhiyaaL] is not there to give company.

     This is sung by PBS probably written by kaNNadhaasan. 


>    mEloor pOvathRkum vELai varavillaiyadaa.
  Time [vELai] has not come for him to go to heaven[mEloor]

   Kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: A ThEvaaram verse (translation)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:26:56 GMT

In <C19JrJ.JGr@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:

>In article <9301220613.AA18627@cec2.wustl.edu> sp2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>     I think many Tamil nettors must have heard of the 
>Sanskrit zealots and temple worship and other daily rituals were
>(and are still) done in Skt.  However these naayanmaar still are
>beloved of the Tamil people and the Bakthi lifestyle they started
>spread to other states in India (TN is/was first in doing things in
>India). However, the onslaught of Rationalism in this century had 
>identified some of the later ultra junk works (such as Periya PuraaNam)
>of this movement to the Tamil people.


      periya puraaNam talks about a pakthan-devotee even offering his
wife to the Lord. What a moral? 
Periyaar criticized this kind of stuff along with kampan's
stuff. 

Kathiravan 


>Meenan Vishnu
From: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: A ThEvaaram verse (translation)
Reply-To: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:24:44 GMT

In article <kat.727720794@sarek>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <C19H4w.EAn@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>
>>In article <9301220613.AA18627@cec2.wustl.edu> sp2@cec2.wustl.edu
>> (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>>     I think many Tamil nettors must have heard of the 
>>> popular ThEvaaram verse,
>>>
>>>  `maasil veeNaiyum maalai madhiyamum
>>>   veesu  thenRalum veenkiLa vEnilum
>>>   moosu  vaNdaRai poykaiyum pOnRadhE
Kathiravan any thoughts on "Moosu VaNdaRai poykaiyum" and its
meaning? It sounds so Goood! 

>>>   eesan  endhai  iNaiydai neezhalE. '
>>>
>>>   maasil veeNaiyum -  What does it mean here ? What is
>>>                       a `maasil veeNai' ? ( I know that
>>>                       Veena is a musical instrument.
>>>                       I don't understand this comparison
>>>                       here.. ) Does the poet mean that
>>>                       the shelter is pleasant like Carnatic
>>>                       music in Veena without `abaswaram' ?
>>>                       Was Carnatic music developed in the
>>>                       days of Appar and Sundarar.. ?
>>>
>>If 'maasil veeNaiyum' could mean 'maasilaa veeNaiyum', it makes
>>sense. "Flawless veeNai". No cracks or loose joints.
>
>>I suppose 'veeNai' is as old as 'SaraSvathi'.
>
>
>    It is maasil veeNaiyaum. It is correct. maasu=kuRRam-imperfect, flaw
>
>  maasu+il:no flaw, flawless.
>
>    In thamizh negation can be made just by addition:
>
>   Another Ex:
>            maasu+aRRa some times used like   
>
>    "maasu aRu ponnE, valampuri muthE
>     karumbE thEnE   ----------silappadikaaram `
>
>
Remember that Ambigapathy song "Maasilla Nilave naM Kadhalai"
Nilavu has some flaws but not her face!
so Masilla Nilavee....
But Maasil VeeNaiyum is superb combination.
I think of Bharathiyar's "Nalladhor Veenai" for comparison
Oh! TamiL is great!! We deserve to be proud of it!!!


>anban
>
>Kathiravan

anbudan
Ramanan
 
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