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From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:55:28 GMT

Repl to: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh

The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
on 15 devcember.

BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
and injured several thousand others.

QUESTIONS:

1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
not one, but five times a day by very devout people?

2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
a dozen places of worship?.

Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
of worship in rage? 

3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
places of worship?

4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?

5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?

6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?

(It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)

Regards,

bkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: IDIOT MUSTAFA STRIKES AGAIN
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:01:05 GMT

Mustafa Ibrahim from COLARADO write


Why dont you be ashamed yourself as a Bangladeshi ?  Yes your freedom
fighters killed 4 million (yes 4 million non-bengali people on the
name of banglaism). They looted the property of those poeple who didnot
want Bangladesh. The proof is still there. Yes 3 lacks innocent muslims
are living in regfugee Camps in the so called Sonar Bangla. Bangladesh
can never ever be prosper if there are bad prayers and wishes of the
refugees . God is destroying this country with floods and tornados. The
same contry (the poorest in the world) is now asking Pakistan for Help.
Please help me ! Please help me ! I am dying . I cannot survive . So
Pakistan is sending food and cloths in the name of God. The economy of
Sonar Bangla (:-)) is all screwed up. Now bengalis are getting fed up
with Sonar Bangla and running away to other countries . My country is
now a very good place for them. If you dont believe me come and see
how fast is growing the population of sonar bengalis :-). When somebody
ask them What happened to Sonar Bangla . They reply,  ' We dont know
it was a nightmare . We were mislead on the name of Banglaism .
There are hell lot of things that can be discussed on this net
but unfortunately I dont have enough time. I hope this is sufficent
for today .Go and apologize your God on the sins that you have committed.

******************************************************************************



Do you know that everybody in SCI , SCB and SCP are ashamed of your behavior?
WHat can we expect from a guy who doesn't know the difference between
sweet and sweat. Hey Mustafa I have told you many times, take rest.  Don't
get involved in this type of discussion.  Believe me you don't have that
much intellectual capability. Don't overwork your brain. You know what happens
when you pass high voltage through a low voltage appliance...


Bye


Nishit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: When was the first non-muslim place of worship broken by any muslim
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:58:38 GMT

Dear friends,
    I wish to know when was the first non-muslim place of worship broken
by any muslim? Who was it? It surely happened before Islamic rullers
came to India.

I am not trying to say that muslims were right or wrong when the broke
the non-muslim place of worship to rebuild a mosque on it. That the 
readers can decide their own. But I wish to know when was this act first
done by whom. Who were the other people that had done this act? Aurangajeb
is surely one of them?

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA

Note: I know many people has answered this question many time in either
SCB/SCI or SCP. But I would request info without coment. You may however
please restrain from adding any coment. You can add coment seperately after
this explicit reply.


-- 
With regards

SUPRATIC GUPTA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Baburs views about people living in Indian subcontinent
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:42:52 GMT

This are the few paragraphs from a article published in The New York Times,
date dec 11, 1992, page A10.



For centuries after, Muslim invaders ruled large chunks of india, allying
themselves with hindus when convenient, obliterating hindu influence when
necessary. Babur, the first of the Mogul kings, who marched into India
in the early 16th century, saw opportunities for booty but remained singularly
unimpressed by his conquest.
        "Hindustan," he wrote dimissively, " is a country that has few pleasure.
        "They have no genius, no comprehension of mind, no politeness of mannerg
or executing their handicraft works, no skill or knowledge in design or
architecture, they have no horses, no good flesh, no grapes or musk melons, no
good fruits, no ice or cold water, no good food or bread in their bazaars, no
baths or colleges, no candles, no torches, not a candlestick.




Any comments?


Nishit
From: nns3321@tamuts.tamu.edu (Nripendra Nath Sarker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: From Babri masjid to my village temple.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:08:22 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

The small temple in my village in Dhamrai is again broken. The young guys
do this out of anger generated from the Babri masjid incidence. Their 
expressions tell that they get some kind of fun by damaging the temple.
There is no reaction and resistance from the hindus in my village. Every
time they rebuild it with indigeneous materials. My concern is that these
playful (?) youths may not allow rebuilding this temple at certain length
of time. 

I personally do not believe that any god is fooled if oiled (worshipped).
My only feeling is that poor (by knowledge) people get some spiritual
satisfaction (again I don't get and I don't care) through the way of their 
religion. While they get heavenly (perhaps) satisfaction, I get material
and social satisfaction from the get-together.

I do honestly appreciate the GOB for taking positive measure in protecting the 
temples. This works in cities, but almost impossible for the government
in the rural areas. The possibility lies with the attitude with people around.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: bakwaz about 71 (Re: Victory Day in Ban
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:40:48 GMT

In article 7737@udel.edu, kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:

> SOME CONSEQUENCES: (of economic exploitation of Bangladesh -Anis)
> 
> 	In 1948 there were 11 textile mills in the East and only 9
> 	in the West.
> 	In 1971 there were 26 in the East as opposed to 150 in the
> 	West.
> 
> 	East Pakistan's economy transformed from a surplus one to
> 	a deficit one.

Let me add:

        In 1947 there was one University in West Pakistan and one in the East 
        Pakistan. In 1971, there were 6 in the East and 11 in the West. Needless 
        to say that East Pakistan accounted for more than 50% of the entire 
        population of Pakistan.
         
> - Zunaid Kazi
>   kazi@cis.udel.edu

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: neep@sgi.elec.uq.oz.au (Neep Hazarika)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:35:27 GMT

mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:

>In article <1gqg4qINNmf9@bailey.cs.yale.edu>, ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...
>>..deleted
>>-- Shakil


>    Quranic laws were written for a society which was tribal and
>    male dominant, and if we look at it in this prospective then it
>    easy to understand why these laws are as they are. Indeed they
>    were a step forward at that time.....

and for that society. But when Islam spread beyond Arabia to societies where
the status of women that Muhammed envisaged HAD been achieved, the 
misinterpretation of the words of the Prophet by the nomadic crusaders (whose
tribal base could not be expected to have had any philosophical foundations) 
led to degradation of the social status of women. Thus, for instance, in Iran
and India, where women were on a par with men, the advent of Islam dragged
them back to the medeival ages, which was definitely NOT what the Prophet
intended.

Cheers,

  

-- 
Neep Hazarika	Department of Electrical Engineering
		University of Queensland, St. Lucia, QLD, Australia, 4072
Phone:	+61-7-365-3723 (work)	+61-7-371-8892 (home)  Fax +61-7-365-4999
INTERNET: neep@hebb.elec.uq.oz.au OR neep@s1.elec.uq.oz.au
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:

>Actually, Bhutan to a certain extent has a protectorate relationship
>with India. Bhutanese foreign policy is dictated to a large extent
                       ^^^^^^^

I don't deny this. The protectorate kind of relationship has been there
since British times. My point was that India doesn't interfere in the
internal/domestic policies of Bhutan/Nepal. I made this point in the context
of the Chakmas because IMHO, Chakmas would be willing to settle for being
a protectorate country of Bangladesh/India provided they had freedom in their
domestic policy.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 DEC 92 13:24:42    


In article <1992Dec18.145430.3979@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes...
>    Obviously, you don't know anything about Hinduism, or the the concept
> of "Atma" and "Paramatma". I will not go for any discussion here, because
> no-one cares about that. I want to point out one thing. In Islam, Allah
> is sacred and world is profane, and hence there can not be any represen-
> tation of Allah by any worldly thing. In Hinduism, adwait vedanta, which
> became most powerful among other hindu philosophies, world was claimed to
> be a manifestation of god itself, the difference arising due to ignorance.
> It is said that those who know don't see any world but god himself. Hence,
> God can be represented by anything in this world, because nothing is 
> profane or sacred in this world, according to Hinduism.
>   My problem is not with the philosophies. The problem is who the f*** 
> you are to impose your philosophy on others. Who the f*** gave you the
> right to break temples? Breaking of other's places of worship has been
> characteristic of Islam right from the beginning starting with the prophet
> of Islam himself. You muslims did not feel the pain then, but now that
> power is no longer with muslims and your places of worship are being
> broken then you are crying hoarse. As you sow, so you reap. That is the
> law of nature.
> 
> Raja   

	Excellent Raja.

	Secularism is a 'modern' weapon to eliminate Hindus and spread
	Islam. If secular India is divided today, one part will be
	Muslim, say Islamistan-2 and another will be secular India, say
	secular India-2. Hindus will be eliminated in Islamistan-2 and
	driven into secular India-2. After 40 years or so, secualr India-2
	will have same problems because the right of minorities will be
	in trouble because of majority Hindus. So the country will be
	further divided into secular India-3 and Muslim Islamistan-3, and
	the process will be repeated every 40 or so years until whole of
	subcontinent is Muslim and Hindus are in the Bay of Bangal. By that
	time all secularists would have moved either to United States 
	or Europe because they have either relatives or big bank accounts
	in these countries.

	How that scenario sound?

	BTW, Khalistan may also come out but it may not propogate beyond
	one country. Muslims don't want the whole of subcontinent Khali
	(empty).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Jamat and the ban question 
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:05:43 GMT
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In article <Bz4448.JBB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>Everyone knows that he was a collaborator. If tried and found guilty, the 
>maximum punishment should be applied. 
----
Problem is that Sheikh Mujib gave the general pardon to ALL collaborators. So
how can Ghulam Azma be differentiated among others pardoned?

>The best way to solve this problem is to get rid of these radicals. 
----
Usually ends up making them martyrs and even more popular. Look to Algeria
and Egypt.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:20:06 GMT

In article <samaddar.724086510@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>                       ^^^^^^^
>
>I don't deny this. The protectorate kind of relationship has been there
>since British times. My point was that India doesn't interfere in the
>internal/domestic policies of Bhutan/Nepal. I made this point in the context
>of the Chakmas because IMHO, Chakmas would be willing to settle for being
>a protectorate country of Bangladesh/India provided they had freedom in their
>domestic policy.
>
>Sumitro

I think that the recent discussion on the issue of autonomy on this newsgroup
begs the question : how fine a level of fragmentation is acceptable for
nationhood ? Where do we stop? Independent cities ? Neighbourhoods ? Streets?

The solution to the Chakma issue (or the Punjab issue or the Sindh issue or...)
lies not in fragmentation but in eliminating the exploiter/exploited relation
between different geographical areas and different sections of the people.
That however seems rather impossible in the foreseeable future. 




-- 
Sayan Bhattacharyya          |   Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.
Graduate student             |
Artificial Intelligence Lab  |
The University of Michigan   |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:33:30 GMT

In article <3333@ucl-cs.uucp>, B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
> Repl to: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh
> 
> The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
> nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
> on 15 devcember.
> 
> BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
> and injured several thousand others.
> 
> QUESTIONS:
> 
> 1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
> not one, but five times a day by very devout people?
> 
> 2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
> for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
> a dozen places of worship?.
> 
> Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
> of worship in rage? 
> 
> 3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
> places of worship?
> 
> 4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?
> 
> 5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
> destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?
> 
> 6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
> act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?
> 
> (It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> bkumar

  All I can say is that Mr. Kumar, judging from your attitude and "respect"
for religio, if you had been in Ayodha, you would have led the destruction
of the Babri Masjid.
Rafat
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:15:38 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

ahmada@serss0 (Azeem Ahmad) writes:

>In article <samaddar.724013847@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:

>>Maybe they consider being swallowed by India as less damaging than being
>>swallowed by Bangladesh.

>On the same line: 
>	Kashmiri's DO not want to remain being swallowded by India,
>	they might want to be rather swallowed by Pakistan (certainly less
>	damaging) if they cannot afford independence.

Quite likely. I never said anything otherwise.

Sumitro
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Reconversions (was Re: Babri Masjid demolished)
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:36:39 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

>face it, if properly enforced, Hinduism is not a socially just religion.
..
>Muslim traders and conquerors, Islam reaches the subcontinent. A religion
>that preaches EQUALITY among men arrives. Do you not think that the majority

I am not an expert in either Hindu or Muslim theology. As far as Hinduism goes,
I'll admit that at least in practice, there is a lot of inequality. I wouldn't
have been surprised if most of lower caste hindus had converted to Islam. But
most of them haven't. Perhaps the inertia of staying in the religion of
forefathers was too great. Those hindus that did convert usually don't
acknowledge that they ever converted. Most like to claim lineage from some
aristocratic family ... all the Sheikhs, Syeds, Khans, etc. I can speculate
that the inferiority complex arising out of the humiliation of a forced
conversion could lead people to assume a fake lineage. Again, this is just
speculation.

On a different note, I would think that the willing conversion from an
oppressive religion to an egalitarian religion would be a glorious event,
whose date and circumstance be commemorated in subsequent generations as a
kind of "liberation day". So, here is my question - how many muslims have
this kind of folklore in their family? I am totally ignorant here. But curious.

Another thing. Although egalitarian in theory, how is Islam in practice? We
know that Pakistani Muslims (at least those that wielded power) didn't
consider the Bangladeshis their equal. Is there a Muslim society now where
well off Muslims marry from among the "lower" strata, eg; marry their servants'
son/daughter? Where there are no group that does menial labor for others from
a "higher" strata ie; there are no servants because the concept of servants
is not really egalitarian?

Sumitro
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: That,s the spirit
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:08:38 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

an AP picture in today's news paper has given me some hope
after the sad incidents of damaging temples in Bangladesh.
The picture shows hundreds of people has made a human chain
by holding their hands ( with Jahanara Imam in the middle).
The words written under the picture are " More than 25,000
Muslims and Hindus join hands thursday in Dhaka,Bangladesh,
to condemn the demolition of the mosque and the temples."

---Zakir  

Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6823 soc.culture.indian:41196 soc.culture.pakistan:18371
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:24:11 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

>All three acters died by there own people their killer served them first and all of them were batryed.
>
>why dont you learn the lesson from others ?  Are you waiting for the same to learn?
>
So did Jesus Christ. So did Uthman and Ali. What does  that tell you?
Love
Arindam
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:40:08 GMT


No one is in the better position then the Bangladeshis living abroad to
understand how it is feel to be minority!  As a part of minority we the
Bangladeshis living abroad can better understand the Chakma feelings,
because they are minority in Bangladesh.  So let us do something
positive to utilize our unique posiiton to contribute to the solution
of the tribal problem in Bangladesh.  We the Bangladeshis have a proper
mind and background to understand the Chakma problem.  And yes, we
can solve our problem.

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: husain@plains.NoDak.edu (Abu Husain)
Subject: SHAME
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:39:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

> 
>    But the ruling Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) needs Jamaat's 20
> seats to stay in power.

= After the the election of the women seats, BNP has the absolute
= majority and does not need the support of Jammat any more to stay in
= power. 

=  ----Zakir

 But what about before the women election ?
 Anyway BNP did pack up with Jammat. This is open secret.
 They want to keep good relation with Jammat.
 SHAME !!!! 

  Abu Husain (Dhakar Jewel)