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Subject: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:09:10

Johnathan Blackbow wrote...

>I have been AWAY for a while, and have come back to notice
>that there are still
>some of the same complaints as when I left, to wit: that face thrusts
>and blow acknowledgement are still a problem.

The rest of the msg. dealt with light blows, but you never
discussed face thrusts.  I haven't been on the Rialto long, and so
haven't heard the face thrust discussions.  (We allow face thrusts
here in Ansteorra, and I am in favor.  Conveniently, I am also a
spearman. <Grin>).  If you wouldn't mind, I would like to hear the
arguments for/against.  Thanks.

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
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From: Johannes.Ramsey@f111.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Johannes Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Ahem! Beg Pardon?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:38:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/111 - The SCSI Resource, Orlando FL


 LS>        ditto, they'll be selling snow shoes in Trimaris
 LS>before I am a
 LS>Countess. :)
 LS>
 LS>Ilaine
But I have snowshoes for sale now - granted they don't move very fast but they
 make nifty beach chairs <g>
Johannes

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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Subject: teaching and the mundane world
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:41:53 GMT


cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>Maybe there is a phrase we could use instead? that would indicate "the
>mundane world" unobtrusively and without referencing a clutch of books
>that by comparison make late 20th-century America look like The Enchanted
>Ground?  I invite suggestions.

While explaining the use of the abacus, I oft resorted to the phrase
"In about a hundred years they will..."  Of course, that's not period.

Alternatively: in mathematics at least, certain period devlopments
took a long time to disseminate (e.g., Arabic numerals, which, being
only about ten thousand times more useful that Roman numerals, was
adopted in the record breaking time of only four centuries).  An
Italian mathematician such as my persona could conceivably say "In far
off lands" and really mean it: Arabia and India _were_ far off lands.

Besides, there's a long tradition dating back to Pliny (at least)
which puts _anything_ mysterious and different a being "far off",
usually around India (or California.....;-)

Tio d'abaco
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Another word on Light Blows
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:56:52 -0500

grs01131@runt.appstate.edu writes:

 g> Sir Otto has raised a very good point....namely, that any law we
 g> make will simply drive the weebles [I like the word, otto.]

 As good a phrase-turner as Sir Otto may be, original credit for calling
 fighters who do not acknowledge blows "weebles" goes, as far as I know, to
 Duke Sir Gavin Kilkenny.  The earliest mention I know of it was, I believe,
 in Fidonet's Medieval echo, when he wrote:

   TO........Halfdanr
   SUBJECT...Re: Calibration whim

   Gavin Kilkenny to Halfdanr Greetings;

   [...]

      As for what to call someone with a real acknowledgement problem,
   try Weeble. Everyone knows that "Weebles wobble but they won't fall
   down." It's awfully hard to be macho about being a Weeble.

 This was, I *think*, somewhere around two and a half to three years ago.
 (For the Fido folk, it was tearline-stamped Opus 1.12... help?)
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 12:19:29 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Transylvanian runic script?

Jo' napot!

  In a previous post I stated (not in so many words)  that there were many
scripts around the world that went by the name of "runes".  Perhaps I should
clarify.
  There are indeed many, but that may not be a correct word to apply.  In the
case of the Hungarian "runes", a more correct word would probably be "cuneiform
script" (OK, so it's TWO words).  Both terms are used in works about the Magyar
"runes".
  Does anyone know what the word "rune" technically indicates.  I have never
seen a "good" definition.  Is it a generic word which describes a broad class
of items, or should it technically be referred only to those of Northern
Europe?  (regardless of how it is used in practice)  If it is a generic term,
what are the specific characteristics of the members of the class?

  Your help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Vajk
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: schuldy@bedford.progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: M-word: new ruling from Hilary
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:45:58 GMT


I wrote:

Here are the types of insurance we pay for:

     Insurance: 34,147 (5.6%)
       General Liability	  21,627 (3.5%)
       Workmen's Compensation      1,464 (0.2%
       Liability, Dir. & Officers  1,420 (0.2%)
       Equestrian                  2,253 (0.4%)
       Property                      493 (0.1%)
       Foreign                     2,650 (0.4%)
       Cert. of Insurance          4,240 (0.7%)

And I "officially boggled" at the cost of the Equestrian Insurance.

Arval answered:

  We carry equestrian insurance so that we can get sites to allow us to use
  horses; site owners generally require the extra insurance to cover the
  extra risk.  I too would be interested in seeing a full explanation of the
  purpose of all this insurance.

Me too.  But, I especially wonder at spending 2,200 dollars on an activity
that includes only a small percentage of the SCA, and is fraught with
danger.  A number of people wrote to me privately, and explained what
the insurance is for, especially one lady who described how it allows us
to rent a site for activities that we could not otherwise rent.  The
reason it could not otherwise be rented, is that the owner was already
sued, and cannot afford insurance!

Perhaps I will be badly hurt by horse lovers everywhere, and I apologize
in advance if I'm wrong.  But spending such a large chunk of change, on
a provably dangerous activity, that invites a suit, would only be worth
it if a large number of our members benefited.  I doubt much that a
large number of members so benefit.

The reason I mentioned fencing in my previous post, was that the Board
has demonstrated that it will not act to promote fencing, since it is
a minor activity.  I postulate (in the absence of real facts) that many
fewer gentles participate in equestrian activities than fencing.

Please, be gentle when you correct me....

	Tibor
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Travel,Persona
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:28:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sccqsINN49i
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <702887783.F00003@ocitor.fidonet> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
> Someone who is not as good a storyteller out of persona as in has a
> personality disorder that needs being looked at. Tadhg and Tiomoid are
> equally good (or bad, depending on one's viewpoint) as teacher,
> storyteller, singer, calligrapher, embroiderer, herald, lawyer, historian,
> or whatever, precisely because *we are the same person*.

ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY!!

Thank you, milord, for saying so clearly what I have been trying to say
all along.


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA

(who are the same person but dress and speak just slightly differently.)

(P.S.  My mundane boss, a molecular geneticist, pointed out to me that
there are certain microorganisms that use what are essentially pieces
of chainmail knitted out of tiny rings of DNA.  I brought in a piece of
Hal's hauberk-in-the-making and the professor was entranced.  "Look,
everybody!  Stainless steel kinetoplasts!"  Now he wants a couple hundred
rings to make a piece for himself (1-in-3 pattern) for a teaching aid.
*What* century did we say we were living in?)

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: SHICOFF@UNC.BITNET
Subject: Calender of Wars
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:56:00 GMT

I've been having those fantasies, again, y'know, the
ones about if I were REALLY rich, & could go to all
the wars in the known world....  Then I realized that I
had NO idea of just HOW MANY there are.  One a month?
For fun, let's make a list of the annual wars in the
known world (just in case that fantasy should come true...)
I know of:
Sea Wars (Dec-Feb) Atlantia
Sea Wars (Dec-Feb) Atlantia-TrimarisFools War (April)
Fools War (April)Atlantia-Meridies-Trimaris
Gulf War (June) Ansteorra-Trimaris
(Oops! Slid right over Estrella, (Feb) Caid-Aten)
Lilies (Have heard of, An Tir-?_)
Roses (West-?)
Pennsic (Aug) Midrealm-East
    There have GOT to be more....
Julitta
(Who LOVES singing at bonfires, & war bonfires best
of all...)
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: william the bastard and other historical trivia
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:27:27 GMT
Followup-To: jtn@vtopus.cs.vt.edu
Organization: SCA

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Lord Hossein Ali Qomi send
greetings and prayers for the blessings of Allah.

Lady Lyanna ferch Gwynhelek of Bergental recently posted:

>On the question of the homage of English kings.  King Philip Augustus of
>France told John that he could not have his inheritance of Angevin lands
>unless he [John] acknowlege the land as fiefs of the King of France.
>Edward III paid homage to King Philip twice, first in 1329 and in 1331.
>The oath of fealty which Edward paid to Philip was one of the main causes
>of the Hundred Years War - both accused each other of breaching their
>oaths of fealty.

Edward III made _hommage de paix_ to Philip IV for England and _hommage
vassalique_ for his continental lands in both 1329 and 1331.  The _hommage de
paix_ was a diplomatic device to attempt to separate the French king from
his policy toward Scotland.  It is extremely important to note that the
_hommage vassalique_, which included feudal obligations, was always made
only for continental holdings and _never_ for England.  I think the problem
is a misunderstanding of separable _hommages_ and separable fealties.  The
King of England might also be Duke of Normandy, Duke of Aquitaine, Count
of Anjou, etc.  The doctrine of the King's two bodies might be a useful
analogy: just as the king had a physical body and a royal body (the king
in parliament, etc.) -- the latter never died (hence, the king is dead,
long live the king) -- so the person who was king was legally separable
into the person who was King of England, the person who was Duke of Normandy,
the person who was Duke of Aquitaine, the person who was Count of Anjou, etc.
The _hommage vassalique_ of the person-who-was-Count-of-Anjou had no legal
bearing on the person-who-was-King-of-England.  Furthermore, fealty was
sworn for specific holdings and bore upon those holding exclusively and no
others.  In the SCA we tend to have unitary homage and fealty -- to the
Crown -- although homage and fealty is occasionally sworn at the principality 
or baronial level or in households.  This gives us a model of homage and
fealty which is quite different from the model which applied to magnates
in the Middle Ages, for whom separable homage and separable fealty was a
life-or-death matter.

I hope this makes the matter somewhat clearer. 

>You know when you are in the SCA when you start writing medieval history
>papers in the present tense. (OK it's getting late!)

Hell, I sometimes do it in the classroom while lecturing.  I know _exactly_
what you mean.

In Service to the Society,

Hossein Ali Qomi
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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: Event announcements (was ANNOUNCING: Feast...)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:53:35 GMT

Lord (oops, *Master*) Arval writes:
}Good gentles,

}We have a tacit agreement that the Rialto is not the place to post event
}announcements, unless they are likely to be of interest to the entire
}community (either because they are likely to draw attendees from all over
}the SCA, or because they of interest as examples of unusual events).  Most
}events are only of local interest, and it is a waste of resources to send
}them to hundreds of thousands of computers all over the world.

This is just a bit overstated, in that if there were such an agreement
I was not aware of it.  It was discouraged in the early days of the 
mailing list, due to fear that the list would be swamped but such,
and it was to prevent this that we had a service that listed events
and gave pointers to folks on the Rialto who had more information.  This
service died a quiet death over a year ago when the coordinator realized
that most of the input was what he was typing in himself.

Historically, traffic in this group has shown that event announcements are
a rare occurance, so rare as for there to be no good reason for not doing
them with the following notes:

	Just make _one_ posting of a short nature (two standard screens or
	so, about 48 lines) and include an email address for more information.

	Keep the distribution as small as possible.  If it is a garb
	workshop, use the Distribution: line to keep in your city.  A
	small event may be kept in a state (or country, if in Europe),
	and if regional distributions are available they should
	certainly be used (ne for New England, ba for Bay Area.)
	Certainly it should be kept to a continental distribution,
	which would mean na for North America and aus for Australia
	(oddly enough, there doesn't seem to be a Pan-European
	Distribution, though there certainly should be.)

	After that include a note in your signature (one line or so) that
	tells folks to ask you about such-and-such event.  For example: 

SiouxWars, 6/25, Shire of Winding River, Bighorn, Montana:  me@bigcc.umont.edu

				Would be enough, if a little post-period.

	There are odd events that are of society-wide interest, and those 
	probably should be posted, but again just once, with pointers to you
	later.

Kwellend-Njal
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From: wsmst3@unix.cis.pitt.edu (William S Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:29:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <a6066c3b@nudity.UUCP> vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James) writes:
>As for Lord Jonathan's proposal, this is, I believe, exactly the rule
>the Tuchux's use in their combat.  Any contact is effective.  One of the
>Tuchux on the Rialto want to confirm that?

	Basically, yes.  That is also why we use killing from behind, because
we know that we don't have to worry about getting hit very hard (as people were
talking about before on here).

Mangar of the Hillcats
From: MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: playing the fool
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:39:59 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Boy did I ever put my foot in my mouth....

It was just brought to my attention that the message I replied to yesterday was
in jest. Had I read the entire message, I probably would have had the brain
power to figure it out, but I was just skimming over the post in question.

Wulfgar Silberbaer (wouldn't it be nice if Pennsic WAS six weeks long?)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Mundane Interactions
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:58:40 GMT

In article <Ydu64oK00WB6E2K2Ak@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>  SCA Folklore Tag-lines
>  ----------------------
>  "I'll see your six inches and raise you thirty!"
                 four                      twenty!

. . . . the story that I heard (from Jerry Pournelle) didn't happen in
the SCA.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: Congrats to Nikolai
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:02:43 GMT

   HOOBAH!!!

   HOOBAH!!!

   HOOBAH!!!


	 Frnk! :>   Pawel Ptasznik
	            Barony of Illiton, Middle Kingdom

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Generations; "Old, Used"
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:14:04

Jd>So here's a call for observations: are people sticking around longer
Jd>these days? It looks to me like the proportion of active-for-lifers
Jd>has increased substantially in the last half-decade or so, but that's
Jd>an entirely subjective observation at this point...

Let's make up some numbers and play.

In NAS (Non-Anno-Societatus) 5, the Great Bearony has 75 members.
Of these, 5 are "lifers", 30 are very serious, the others less so.

In NAS 10, the Great Bearony has 150 members with 15 lifers, 50
serious, and others.  Of the 15 lifers, five of them are the
original 5 from NAS 5.

As time goes on, some of the lifers will move away, but others
might move in.  And you will gradually gain some new "lifers" from
the very serious group (even though many of the very serious will
eventually drop out.)  And as you gain a larger group of "lifers",
it becomes less and less noticeable when people drop out after a
year or two.

Personally, I have seen quite a few fairly serious members drop out
after several years, and even more of the fringe types quit about
that time.

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
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From: 71431.426@compuserve.COM ("Kevin H. Payne")
Subject: SCA Digest V5 #168
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:58:19 GMT

Thus speaketh Beatriz de las Trenzas (more or less):

> [...] my husband , child and i live in a 2 bedroom one bath town house
> with NO storage to speak of...sooooooo
> the hope chest stores the pavillion canvas and pegs
> the pavillion poles are behind the livingroom couch
> my court gown and hat and that belonging to my little daughter
> are decorations in the hall [...]
> the marriage bed is now a loft,to allow for a an extra dresser and 2
> trunks for garb and feast gear to be sotred under it.
> the carpets for my pavillion are now the livingroom and bedroom carpets
> [...] all gifts of money from family for birthdays , x-mas etc go into the
> PENNSIC FUND!

[...]

God forbid that you should have more than ONE "tryst of delight" (read: 
favorite hobby).  I do.  

SCA garb, feast gear, weaponry, musical instruments, books, et cetera ad
nauseum line the walls of the small apartment in which I live; the only flat
surfaces are either covered by a) the model railroad or b) the appurtenances of
a model railroad; there is also a computer desk with hard drives, printers,
record books and heraldry stuff.  Gee, and I managed to put a bed, a sofa, a
stereo cabinet and two cats in here too!  I can't imagine how my ex-wife and I
crammed everything into this place (though I admit the model railroad WAS boxed
up at that time...)

And the absolute worst is deciding what to do with gifts of money:  "Well,
shall it be put back for Pennsic?  Or perhaps to purchase that beautiful brass
Lackawanna 4-6-4 in N scale?  Of course, I really need that scanner for the
computer...or...."

Nikolai Kyrilovich
aka The Jolly Ferroequinologist
also Bard to the Dragon Thrones (for another month)
and Pursuivant of Far Reaches, Middle Kingdom
From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in fiction - need help
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:21:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr13.002121.20640
Reply-To: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

I am compiling a list of SCA references in fiction.  So far, the only
books I know of are the following:

The Unforgiving Minutes		Mary Monica Pulver
	(References here and there)
Murder at the War/Knight Fall	Mary Monica Pulver
	(Everybody should know what this is)
Ashes to Ashes			Mary Monica Pulver
	(References here and there)
Original Sin			Mary Monica Pulver
	(References here and there)
Bimbos of the Death Sun		Sharyn McCrumb
	(one line)
Highland Laddie Gone		Sharyn McCrumb
	(one VERY funny line)

I appreciate any help.  Thank you.

Geoffrey de la Iglesia
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: STUMILBY@EKU.BITNET ("And the sand shifts back into the sea...I am gone")
Subject: Tents and such
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:47:00 GMT



Gentles of the Rialto

This month I will mark my first year on the rialto and my 9th month as an SCA
     member....This Year..unlike last year when I did not haveg a clue to what
     it was....I WILL attend Pennsic....

     BUT....

     I have feast ware..that took planning and hock shops
     I have gowns and hats and tippets and such

     I DO NOT have a tent or the foggiest idea how to get one....
         I have used tents many times in ROTC I also like to
         Not use a tent and "sleep under the stars" But I was strictly
         warned against this practice...

     Basicly..I have no earthly Idea on how to "camp in the middle ages"

     .
     .
     .
     .
     Could some kind...helpful...knowledgeable soul...experienced soul
          send me a survival guide to pennsic...on anything from tents..
          (purchasing, cost, construction, materials etc) to cooking and
           cookware (I collect iron pots) appropiate dress and what to bring.

      For better knowledge of me...I will be a 22yr. old away from her shire for
             summer..with only the scarcest of dresses(few) traveling alone who
          will not be fighting...not yet perfected of calligraphy and archery
          and has no knowledge of medieval cooking recipes...

  Morana Revel

  mka...Roxann Milby
        Stumilby@Eku
        190 old irvine rd
        waco, ky 40475              will be moving for summer to

                                    rt 1 box 76A magnolia, ky 42757


    I would also like any recipe anyone would care to send on anything
        remotely resembling a medieval recipes

    And does anyone out there have a tent (medievalish of course) for sale..?
         or a pattern that wont cost a LOT and fits one or two??