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From: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:40:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
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In a previous article, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) says:

>In article <1k71ruINN9t0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Richard A. Mulac,
>ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>> His ability to improve education in this country is suspect,
>
>I suppose you would like to back this up with some kind of facts...
>OR is this just some feeling you get in your bones, like knowing when it's
>going to rain. :-/  He has a record of success in improving education.
>That is a fact and no unsubstantiated claim like this changes that
>fact.
>
>> and besides,
>> his top priority is supposed to be the economy.  You can hardly
>translate
>> what he did in Arkansas (not much) to the rest of the country.
>
>Again, I challenge you to PROVE that he didn't do much in Arkansas using
>real facts instead of vacuous statements. I provided facts which support
>the contrary. The gauntlet is thrown down.

Wait a minute - in the last post you claimed that in standardized test
scores Arkansas moved up from 50th to 20th under Clinton's reign.  I
asked you what tests?  Just because you throw a number out without a
detailed explaination doesn't mean anyone has to believe it.  Now here's
a

FACT:  The Children's Defense Fund's (Hillary's own organization) ranking
of Arkansas in terms of the quality of life for children living there sank
to last place (50th) during Clinton's reign.  Quality of life took into
account EDUCATION, health, housing, etc..

-- 
Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu
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       1996 election countdown - 1378 more days         | These pontifications 
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From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Money Supply (Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:17:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Is it possible to get the same data on Internet that is availabe
available from the Federal Reserve Banks' dial in BBSs? Also, how
much of a lag is there on Fed data, like M!xxx M1, CPI, etc.?
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Top-10 List
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:39:37 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1k6sl0INNfdb@skat.usc.edu>, valdis@skat.usc.edu sez:
>
>10. Wondering if Labor Secretary Frank Reich was a munchkin in the "Wizard
>    of Oz".

Did you mean Robert Reich?


>1. CANT'T WAIT TO VOTE FOR JACK KEMP IN'96!!

Oh, I get it.  "Buffalo quarterbacks on the brain" Syndrome . . . .


-- 
        "Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I'm not.  Frankly, I really don't
         give a damn . . . ."    - Paul Havemann (paul@hsh.com)
                                   in <1993Jan25.190648.548@hsh.com>
	   Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com     ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: grayid@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (I. D. Gray)
Subject: The speech
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:57:06 GMT


If anyone has a copy of the new presidents inaugural speech I would apprciate a copy. No news papers in my part of New Zealand have printed the whole thing out.


Many Thanks

Ian

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: NO! President Bill, 72% of Americans are NOT lawyers!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 18:00:16 GMT

In <1993Jan19.153639.20384@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan16.053355.29311@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>}In <1993Jan15.203856.3094@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) says:
>}>In article <1993Jan15.112307.8988@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>}>}In article <C0vLK8.BL3@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:

>}>}> Fully 13 of 18 of Slick Willie's nominees for cabinet positions are
>}>}> lawyers. This is not a cabinet that looks like America. It is a
>}>}> cabinet that looks like America's worst nightmare!

>}>}I'd be interested to see how this ratio compares to the Reagan &
>}>}Bush cabinets.

>}>Did they make the claim that their cabinets would represent america, or that
>}>they would go after the best qualified (in their opinion) for the position
>}>regardless of political corectness?

>}Well, the latter would be the much bigger lie, so you'd better hope they
>}said the former.

>tsk tsk.  I said "in their opinion", not yours.

Okay, so if it wasn't a lie, it was a sign of mental illness.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse.  It's 
niepornt@phoenix.    |  time to send the Statue of Liberty somewhere else"
   princeton.edu     |      -- Jack "Not a bigot" Schmidling, 1/7/93
Baltimore Orioles 93 |
From: fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLA
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:08:12 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fred@johnd.tamu.edu
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In article 11126@rock.concert.net, bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.150001.23694@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>>Wrong.
>>
>>FIRST 100-DAYS ECONOMIC PLAN:
>>
>>Clinton in interview on ABC's "Good Morning America", June 23, 1992
>>	"...I'll have the bills ready the day after I'm inaugurated.  I'll send them
>
>	 This was before we found out that Bush had mis-lead
>the American people, which was normal for him, concerning the
>size of the national debt. 
>
>	This is really funny, watching you hard core
>conservatives go through "abussive power" withdrawal. Just
>think FOUR YEARS.....
>
>			Carter
>
>
>--
>
>                  "If all the economists were laid end to end, 
>                   they wouldn't reach a conclusion."
>                      

Carter have you been getting your news from Comrade WJB Clinton's
press releases?  Bush revised the OMB's estimate of the deficit, a
standard practice.  The revised amount was still lower than the figure
Comrade WJB Clinton was using during the campaign. Of course, as we
now know most of the things Comrade WJB Clinton promised during the
campaign were just lies, the exception of course were his promises to 
raise taxes on the working class and give to give deviants minority
status.

Carter your boy is in office.  He made the promises if he can not 
meet them then he lied.  It is sad but we all have to live with it.

fred

______________________________________________________________________

		Equal rights for the womb-bound.

    _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/  | 
   _/       _/         | The above opinions are my own. To my knowledge they
  _/_/_/   _/_/_/_/    | are not shared by my employer or my friends.
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From: ricks@luke.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Schumeyer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Not a Middle-Class Tax!  A "Loophole"!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:54:08 GMT
Organization: NRL


>"'Every time Clinton said "I'm not going to raise taxes on the
>middle class", he always added the phrase "to pay for my programs,"
>said a chief political adviser to the President, who spoke on
>condition of anonymiity.  'He never, never said just, "I will not
>raise taxes on the middle class."  He always said "I will not raise
>middle-class taxes to pay for my programs."'

I tried to point this out to people during the campaign since I thought it was
obvious the way Clinton kept adding the phrase "...to pay for my programs."

Oh well.  I would rather have been wrong on this one than be able to say "I 
told you so."
--
------------------------
Rick Schumeyer          
Software Technology     
ricks@luke.nrl.navy.mil 
------------------------
Opinions mine only.
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From: mancini@fysik.uu.se (Derrick C. Mancini)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Not a Middle-Class Tax!  A "Loophole"!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:37:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: Fysikum, Uppsala Universitet
NNTP-Posting-Host: usx221.fysik.uu.se

In article <RICKS.93Jan26175408@luke.luke.nrl.navy.mil>,
ricks@luke.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Schumeyer) wrote:
> 
> 
> >"'Every time Clinton said "I'm not going to raise taxes on the
> >middle class", he always added the phrase "to pay for my programs,"
> >said a chief political adviser to the President, who spoke on
> >condition of anonymiity.  'He never, never said just, "I will not
> >raise taxes on the middle class."  He always said "I will not raise
> >middle-class taxes to pay for my programs."'
> 
> I tried to point this out to people during the campaign since I thought it was
> obvious the way Clinton kept adding the phrase "...to pay for my programs."
> 
> Oh well.  I would rather have been wrong on this one than be able to say "I 
> told you so."

Actually, I understood perfectly well when I voted for him.  That is WHY
I voted for him.  I did not want a middle income tax increase used to pay
for new programs, but I am quite willing, and EXPECTED, there might be
broadbased tax increases IF THEY ARE USED TO DECREASE THE DEFICIT.  I do
think most people would grumble about such taxes, but would also put up
with them IF THEY REDUCE THE DEFICIT.  So, I really can't judge if Clinton
is doing what he ought on this issue until after we see what taxes are paid
and if the deficit problem is helped.  I am by no means SURE that he can
succeed.  He will have to fight Congress on their programs, in order to
institute new programs requiring no additional funding beyond a tax on
upper income folks and corporations, while increasing consumption taxes for
deficit reduction.  The Congress will, of course, try to treat any new
revenue source as potential funding for pork-barrel projects.

By the way, on the last point, Congress does not have to be negligent
or incompetent for the last to occur.  It is a natural consequence of each
representative wanting to get the most for their constituency, something
their constituency, for the most part, desires.  Rather, it is a form of
the "tragedy of the commons", where each is concerned only about the little
part of the whole they can get ahold of while in the big picture more is
taken in sum than can be reasonably supported.

Derrick C. Mancini
Fysiska Institutionen  -  Uppsala Universitet
Box 530  S751 21  Uppsala  Sverige
mancini@fysik.uu.se
---------------------------------------------
"Are we having fun yet?"  -  Zippy
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:54:40 EST
From: <MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: History will judge

One thing I like about being older than the average netposter is that it
gives one perspective.  There is no way judgments about Clinton's actions
which began before election, before inauguration, and now on a daily
basis (with such great labels as DAY TWO:  Where is it?) have any validity.
Only time can judge whether or not Clinton keeps his promises.  He may
keep them in more effective and original matters than you expect.  (Or he
may sell out completely).  An example is the the broken Haiti promise.
He may have broken the short term promise of opening our borders to any
Haitian who wants to come in (did he actually make that promise or was that
how his comments were interpreted) but it seems to me and my local news that
steps are being taken to bring Democracy back to Haiti, a much more desirable
long term solution to the problem.  Steps being negotiations with the military,
talks with Aristide, monitors of human rights abuses, etc.
   It amuses me that those who are demanding instant evaluation of this
administration seem to be supporters of the past two admins which gave us
short term feel good fixes with nation threatening long term consequences.
You have to have some sense of the long term in government guys, and that
means giving Clinton at least four years before you start claiming broken
promises.  So hang tight and try not to be so impulsive.
Melissa Brown
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From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes - SMCC/CTE)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:04:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
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In article 20334@hobbes.kzoo.edu, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
>>>>"Everybody knows it" is not an acceptable answer.
>>>
>>>But it seems that "It is the right thing to do" is an acceptable one.
>>
>>And how do you know that "it is the right thing to do"?
>>
>>Ah, i see.  "Everybody knows it".
>
>Er...what exactly are we talking about here?

Funny you should ask. 

It seems those silly humans are trying to define non-existant things like
"right", "wrong", and "morality" again.  And some them are using their
definitions, or those of others which have been written into some book,
to justify their own likes, dislikes, prejudices, and preferences again.

None of them seems to notice they're in section of the maze without the
cheese.  In fact, they're in the maze without the cheese.  It'd be a whole
lot more amusing if it hadn't already been observed a zillion times before.
Poor, poor humans.  Will they ever wake up?

(*yawn*)

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Mark Barnes, System Engineer    |  <insert standard disclaimers here>
SUN Microsystems Computer Corp. |
Corporate Technical Escalations |  I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA             |  not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM      |
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From: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Loser of the week
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:41:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Big loser of the week - Gary Trudeau, that left-wing, liberal
father of Doonesbury.  He screwed up by starting a thread which
had lawyer Joannie Caucus going off to work at the Justice
Department under Zoe Baird.  Have fun eating crow, Gary!

-- 
Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       1996 election countdown - 1377 more days         | These pontifications 
 until the Democrats are thrown out of the White House  |      are my own!     
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: DAY TWO: MORE LIES
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:31:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.173509.17751@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
>From article <1jnvtoINN2tq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac):

>> By the way, let's all cry BOO HOO HOO for poor Zoe.  Things aren't 
>> going well for her.  It seems strange that a President who claims that
>> 'friends are the most important thing you can have in life' doesn't
>> treat his very well.  He hid all day in the White House playing tour
>> guide instead of publically supporting her.  And a hint for George
>
>	And if he made any attempt to publically support her, you
>can be damn sure that the Republinistas would have been all over
>him for that.  Willie can't win on this one.

       Welcome to the White House.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  (Mail to VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu will bounce.)
"Of course the government and the newspapers lie.  But in a democracy,
they're different lies."
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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:38:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T

m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>Wel, here it is monday - no such thing.  He has found the time to shake a few
>thousand hands, write on abortion, and stir the "homosexuals in the military" pot.
>
>Whatever is important. 

Well, he's been in office, what -- less than a week and he's already got
Vatican City in an uproar. I'd say that's pretty good progress. :-)

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:12:08 EST
From: <MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: re: WELLLLLLLLLLL IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN

Richard Mulac states that you would be hard pressed to find anyone
who voted for Clinton based on his record in Arkansas.
  I did.  I was impressed with the rate of job growth in AR.  Much
greater than the rest of the United States.  Bush seemed to create
jobs in Mexico.  I also voted for him because of the educational reforms
that he and Hillary made.  I especially was pleased with his commitment
to compensatory preschool programs for low income children and their
families.  He was also voted by his fellow governors (a bipartisan lot)
as the most effective governor.  He took a small poor southern state
and stimulated small but real economic growth at a time when states
over all were getting poorer, not richer.  While Arkansas conditions
were improving, Reagan Bush admins took the largest creditor nation
and turned it into the largest debtor nation.  It was an easy choice.
  I also approved of Clinton's style of governing.  He actually likes
working with the legislative branch, and building consensus among
congress people.  He will spend some time on the Hill.  He knows
the value of consensus and compromise, unlike President Veto.
  I am not alone out here, Mulac.                Melissa Brown
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:24:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) says:

>In <1jnk25INNnl3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>>     Hmm.  My book says that 1776 was about taxation. 
>>     Perhaps the "Founding Fathers" ( oops, sorry Shalala ) 
>>     should have demanded MORE taxation.  
>
>You miss the point, sure it was about tax, but they stood together
>and acted together, like I said below, all talk no action. If you
>are so damn smart and have all the answers, how come I didn't see
>your name on my ballot?

     No action?!  Here, son, come hither to me and let my 
     whisperings console your heavy heart.  

     In 1990, I..

          i)  quit working full-time, because it wasn't worth it anymore
          ii) packed my bags and rags and left Los Angeles
          iii) moved to Idaho

    Right now I'm working out the logistics of moving to Uruguay.
    I done did *my* action.  

     heheh.  How typical.  Now that the caring, sharing people have
     plundered people like me through government and borrowing,
     I'm supposed to "stand and act together" with you?

     I don't THINK so!


>So you immediately sat down and wrote a fat check to UNICEF?

     Nope.  Didn't claim to either.
     Wouldn't be prudent.

     Didn't want to be part of that 'hypocritical thing', don'tcha know

     Besides, why on EARTH would I write a check for yet another 
     lying, cheating self-serving organization like UNICEF?

>
>REB
>
>

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael J Maggio)
Subject: Bill's Compuserve Address
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:00:13 GMT

Anyone wishing to know Mr. Clinton's CI$ email address is welcome to email
me for it with a disclaimer that you will not abuse these privileges.

--- MJM
mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
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