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From: rsmith@goose.age.lsu.edu (Rhett Smith)
Subject: RE: ideas for pool
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Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:58:29 GMT

	If we don't use the spreads, then the confid. ranking is the way to
go.  There has to be something to separate the men from the boys.  They
both make the pool more interesting.


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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WANTED: Any news on the Lions
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:26:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
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In article 13349@ucqais.cba.uc.edu, chaas@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Christopher J. Haas) writes:
>Help!  I'm a diehard Lions fan (since before they were good) trapped here
>in Cincinnati.  The only sports news you can get here is the Reds.  Can
>anyone post some information on the Lions training camp.  Particularly,
>have they signed Porsche yet?  Also has there been any change in Utley's
>condition?  I haven't heard anything about him since the NFC championship 
>game.  Is there any way of finding out what games the networks plan to
>televise nationally?
>
Porcher has signed, I don't know the numbers though.  The big news in camp is that
Peete is holding out.  Every day he's gone Kramer has a better shot to start.  

Fontes said this being Ware's last year he will have to prove to the Lions that he
is worth keeping.  I think he'll be given every chance to win the starting job.

I saw Utley on some network sports show and he is progressing well.  It still 
looks like he will never walk again but he is taking it well and seems in good 
spirits.  At the end of the interview he was asked whether he had any words for
others on his situation.  He said "don't break your neck, that not good", or something
to that effect.  Has more humor than I would in in his place.


Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.154130.29379@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.191525.25401@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes...
>
>>Given that, can anyone name another  offensive and  defensive coordinator
>>pair on a single NFL team which, in the past, produced a number 1 overall
>>offense and a number 1 overall defense  other than Sam Wyche  (who is our
>>offensive coordinator and head coach) and Floyd Peters?  And,  this is in
>>addition to the fact that both have done this within the last four years,
>>Sam for the Bengals, and Floyd for the Vikings.
>
>Lindy Infante and Hank Bullough.  Or do you mean current coaching 
>staffs?  The fact is that there are no guarantees.

Agreed!  In life there are no guarantees.  But, to pre-suppose that
the worse is fated to happen, does not reflect reality either. This
is all that I am saying.  John, the best thing that could happen to
the Packers, Vikings, Lions,  and even the Bears would be for Tampa
Bay to become more competitive.  Of course,  winning would be very,
very, meaningful for us,  but it would be  even more  meaningful if
the level of play in  the NFC Central was more respected around the
league.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: (PICKS) Preseason Football Week #1 REPOST (with time correction)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:18:52 GMT


Preseason Week 1
----------------

This is a VERY light week for NFL games.  Each game will have a weight of 7,
for a total possible score of 28.  Please do not change the weights.  Mail
this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the subject
line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark your
choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box (like this: [x] not like this: [ x]
and not like this: [x ]).  Put your initials after the word "Initials:" (on
the same line!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have questions about this
form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you still need to sign up,
YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word "signup" in the subject line.
Do not reply to this message unless it is to send in your picks.
See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

This form is due at 12 NOON PST (7PM GMT) on Saturady, Aug 1.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

Please do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away			Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[ 7] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Philadelphia at Canton, OH   
[ 7] [ ] Washington		[ ] Miami at Orlando, FL
[ 7] [ ] Houston		[ ] Dallas at Tokyo, Japan          
[ 7] [ ] Denver			[ ] San Francisco
                               
Initials: 
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Bills news...go figure
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:45:23 GMT

In article <BrpLzv.1zC@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems) writes:
>
>BTW, watch out for the Patriots this year. They are going to be the 
>surprise team of the AFC. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they
>swept the Bills this year.

Hmmm.... With the Fins sweep that means the jills practically enter
the season with four losses. It's going to be a really good season
Doug. Can I send you a Dolphins t-shirt or something??

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle News
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:57:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 4508@makesys.com, john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>Am I missing something or is Derrick Fenner no longer a Seahawk? If he is still
>with the team why is he not regarded as a quality RB? I've been impressed with
>his running ability, am I the only one? I know one thing I'd love to see the
>guy in a Dolphins uniform. I don't know why Seahawks fans on the net don't
>talk about Fenner. Did he die or something? Inquisitive minds want to know.

Fenner is now with the Bengals.

nate



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From: phantom@sequent.com (Bert Pelca)
Subject: Re: Favorite Football Teams Survey
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:52:51 GMT

>From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
>
>Is this object-tossing somthing Brown fans are generally proud of, or is
>it one of those "few (not too few, though) bad sheep" deals?

Best be careful here if you are a Bronco fan... I clearly
remember back in the late sixties and early seventies (left
Boulder in '71)..  more than a few 'currz' bottles come flying
out of the stands at Milehigh..  especially frequent when the
Raiders and Chiefs were in town..

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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Dolphins update
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.221553.4412@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> assad@sparc4.cs.uiuc.edu (Andrew Assad) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.164141.27583@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul20.163834.27505@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>>By the way it's good to hear from Andy again. Gidi has been elsewhere
>>>lately making bad (very bad) jokes about christians but he'll be more
>>>focused soon I can just tell. It's going to be a great season.
>>>
>>
>>Now this is embarassing. I read Andy alot, I mean't to write Curt. It's
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Oh, Tony... I'm crushed... you gave my life meaning there for a moment...
>then you stomped on it like a thundering herd of buffalo pounding a lifeless
>dolphin carcass into the ground...

Umm.. Ahh.. Jesus Andy, I can't believe you would write something so
painful. Thundering buffalo herd.... lifeless dolphin carcass....
Eeewwwwww. Did I mention how good it is to hear from Curt again?

Tony (Go Andy) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Training Camp 7/31/92
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

From the Washington Post, July 31, 1992:

YESTERDAY:
The Redskins spent the morning lifting weights and working on special
teams.  For lunch, players had a choice of fried shrimp, Philadelphia
cheesesteak sandwiches, or for the weight conscious, an exciting salad
bar.

TODAY:
Players sleep in today then have a brief walkthrough on the practice
field before busing to Harrisburg, Pa., for the two-hour flight to Orlando,
where city officials have a red-carpet greeting planned.


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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Montana still "tired"
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:00:57 GMT

Joe Montana still says he feels like he's not getting much zip on the
ball, and complains that his arm feels tired. He took half of Friday off,
then did not throw Saturday or Sunday, then yesterday he threw only
30 passes (he was scheduled to throw 40). He has been diagnosed as
having "tired tendons", and has been advised to cut back for the rest
of training camp. However, he is still scheduled to start Monday night
against the Broncos.

Darian Hagan made his first appearance in camp yesterday (he's had
a pulled hamstring), and impressed with his speed. At this point Hagan
is expected to do some punt returning and back up at wide receiver.

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Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
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From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New York Giants
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Concerning the NY Giants kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes...
>-- 

Ha! I couldn't have said it better!

:)

Doug

                                    |                              Doug Evans
                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                    |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dmercer@oracle.com (David B. Mercer)
Subject: Favorite Football Teams
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:27:35 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Umm, I was the guy who originally posted this survey.  I do not still
have a copy of the post, but I do still have the results.  In light of
the recent requests both on the net and through email for a repost, I
will recompile the results sometime in the next week and post them.
If someone happened to archive it, it would be much easier to repost
that than to recompile the results, so please feel free to do so.

---DBM
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '49ers News
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:45:35 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Jul23.235712.6784@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.193300.23194@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>>(Do the Niners really tend to call trick plays less often than other
>>teams?)
> 
> Yes! And it's always frustrated me no end. I mean, they don't have to
> throw a flea-flicker on every series, but once or twice a game you need
> to try some razzle-dazzle just to keep people on their toes. With Steve
> Young at QB last year it was an ideal opportunity to try some trickery.
> I remember watching a game last year and the 49ers ran a misdirection
> play, and I remember thinking "wow, that was pretty tricky!". Then I
> thought for a second and realized "no it wasn't, it's just tricky according
> to the 49ers standards".
> 
> I doubt that this year will be any different, but with a new offensive
> coordinator, who knows?
> 
> =============================================================================
> Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
> Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
> Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
> "I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
> =============================================================================
=====
What does anybody know about their new offensive coordinator?
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - training camp report 7/23
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

From the Washington Post, July 23, 1992:

CARLISLE, Pa., July 22 - No progress was reported with either of the 
two holdouts, Mark Rypien or Desmond Howard, and General Manager Charley 
Casserly likely will have two more holdouts - Jim Lachey and Darrell 
Green - when the rest of the squad reports Sunday night.  No progress 
was made in their negotations either....

The Redskins worked only an hour tonight at Carlisle High, because after
sending most of his veterans home this morning, Coach Joe Gibbs barely
had enough players to practice.  "This may be the smallest number of
players we've had here," he said.  "I don't think we're even two-deep
on defense."  Several veterans are returning for Saturday's scrimmage.

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Training Camp Data:
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YESTERDAY:
After the usual 90-minute workout, the Redskins had lunch, meetings, 
and free time.  In the evening, the Redskins boarded a bus for a 10-minute 
drive to Carlisle High, where they had a practice. Even in the early 
days of training camp, Coach Joe Gibbs likes seeing his players in game-type 
situations, which he believes can bring out the best in some players 
as well as break the monotony of training camp for everyone else.

Several players were dismissed after the morning practice, but the scrimmage
was a chance for third-year quarterback Cary Conklin to get work.  After
the scrimmage, they had their traditional midweek pizza party in the
dormitory.

TODAY:
Begins three days of work devoted almost exclusively to rookies.  There'll
be a morning weight lifting session with strength guru Dan Riley, then
a 90-minute afternoon practice that is open to the public.


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From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Minor Bears stuff
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:24:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Just a few things to report.  It has been rather quiet.

The Bears have signed WR Wendall Davis & ILB Donta Jones.  Only
holdouts left are DT William Perry & C Jay Hildenberg.  Both are
free agents.

Perry wants a raise from 300K to 900K,  with no incentive or 
weight clauses.  His agent claims Perry weighs ~ 320,  however 
he will not take a physical before signing a contract.  Perry has
not been seen so his weight is unknown.  The Bears have placed 
Perry on the trading block,  however no team will be stupid enough 
to sign the contract Perry wants or give Bears the 2nd round choice
they want for Perry.  It will be a long summer for Perry.

Hildenberg just wants to be the highes paid OL in the NFL.  Simple.

The Bears seem to be in very good shape,  conditioning wise.  THey 
have been working very hard over the winter,  Ditka put in a 
very tough off season workout in hopes that the Bears might actually
win a game in December.  

DT Chris Zorich has moved up to first team,  he also beefed up to 280lbs.
Expect to see a challenge from rookie Alonzo Spellman for Perry's old spot.
Steve McMichael looks pretty good at the other DT spot. 

Safety looks to be a big concern.  FS Shawn Gayle injured his hip &
it is feared broken.  He will have an MRI today & hopefully it is
just a bruise.  CB Donnell WOolfdord has a pulled hamstring,  he is
also slated to return punts.  With luck this will not be a season long
nagging injury like Neal Anderson's hamstring last year.



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Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: CFL vs NFL: Why different rules?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:56:05 GMT

tjehl@sedona.intel.Com (Timothy Jehl) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.093537.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick) writes:
>   When the CFL was first being organized, it was my impression that they
>felt that they needed a more exiting game that the NFL version.  I don't
>know if this was because they thought the NFL was boring, or because they
>needed a "better game" to compete as an entertainment medium, because of
>generally inferior players (Let's face it.  They have enough money to hire
>a few super stars, but can't afford to stock entire teams with NFL quality
>players).

I don't know too much about the history of football, but the Grey Cup
has been awarded since about the beginning of the century. (In fact,
I think it holds the record for consecutive awards for professional
sports.)

>   The thinking then was that the most exciting play was the forward pass
>(preferrably completed), so the rules have been tailored to make the CFL
>a passing game.  Less downs deters the running game, while being able to
>have running backs move toward the line during the count definitely aids
>the passing game.  In addition, I think the field size was modified to
>favor the passing game (it's wider, I believe), although it may also allow
>for larger running games, which is of course also exciting.  In all cases,
>they were trying to avoid "three yards and a cloud of dust" football.

The larger endzones in the CFL also aid greatly in the passing game.
(It gives receivers more room to work when the offence gets close
to the goal line.)

Something else that the CFL rules do... They make the punt and
kick game more exciting. I've noticed that in the NFL, during
the kickoff, the kick returner often catches the ball in the
end zone, drops to one knee, and then they bring the ball out.
In the CFL (with the larger field), kicks usually land about
the 10-30 yard line, so teams have to work on their kick returns
to get better field position. (If a returner DID drop to one knee
in his own end zone, the other team gets a single point, another
rule difference between the CFL and NFL.)
From: Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys vs Lions playoff game
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:50:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


The biggest problem for the cowboys was the fact that one of there DBs
had such a messed up knee that he had to play well of the line of
scrimmage and had to cheat to the inside of the field.  With the number
of receivers that are on the field in the run and shoot the cowboys did
not have a healthy DB to replace the injured one.  The Lions just ran
quick outs when ever they needed seven yards.  It was a sure thing.  If
the cowboys adjusted the D so that the DB played tight, the Lion's WR
would have blazed by him and the score would have been a lot worse.

Art LaMARCHE!
LaMarche@dartmouth.edu

If you ain't the lead dog the scenery never changes
-- E. Wilson
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Training Camp 7/28/92
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:55:54 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

From the Washington Post, July 28, 1992:

YESTERDAY:
The Redskins opened full team workouts with morning and afternoon practices.
Each lasted about 90 minutes on a muggy day in Carlisle.  One player
said he lost seven pounds in the two sessions.  Owner Jack Kent Cooke
attended the afternoon practice.  There were team meetings after each
practice.  Dinner entrees included pan-fried trout, broiled sirloin
with onion rings and chicken divan with cheese sauce.  Dessert was California
fruit pie.

TODAY:
The morning is reserved for weightlifting and special teams practices.
 The only full drill will be at 4 this afternoon, and with practices
closed to the public after this week, a large crowd is expected.


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