From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Re: Religious Freedom (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)Summary:
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:12:00 GMT

In article <11DEC199210575552@zeus.tamu.edu>, rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes...
>In article <1992Dec8.203109.22379@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes...
>|In article <grendel.723788680@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
>| 
>|>However, on the matter of school prayer: it's a bad idea because it
>|>violates equal rights.  
> 
 [...] 
> 
>|>The purpose of school is to educate, and every
>|>student, be they fundie, Muslim, pagan, Jewish, atheist, or indifferent,
>|>should be allowed to pursue that goal in peace.  If students want to pray,
>|>that is certainly their right; however, they should do it individually.

Ah.  We agree on this.  You don't have a problem, then with my suggestion
that we eliminate such things as sporting events from academia?

You wouldn't have a problem then with banning any type of cliques or
peer-pressure groups from schools?

Let me clarify...

One of the arguments against voluntary prayer that I hear over and over
from the left is that those who do not participate may feel "left out"
and therefore feel "ostracized" or somehow "inferior".  Poor babies.

This is pure CRAP and as hypocritical as you can get.

You know what's funny about this?  If you ask a typical liberal what
he/she thinks about home schooling, he/she will tell you that it's a
bad idea because it keeps the child from learning about the real and
tough world.  The child won't learn to "compete".

I never hear anyone complaining when for example:

1.) A girl wants, with all of her heart, to be on the cheerleading
    team, but because she is overweight or not popular, she doesn't
    make it.

    Doesn't she feel "left out" and "inferior"?

2.) A boy wants to be on the school basketball team, but darn it all,
    he just isn't tall enough, or good enough, or fast enough.  He
    doesn't make the team.

    Again, don't you think he would feel "left out"?

So, based on just the above two examples, shouldn't we ban these as well?

"Ah, but Jim, Jim, Jim" you say, shaking your head from side to side,
"There is no constitutional separation of sports and state".

Bullcrap.  This whole prayer thing has little or nothing to do with
separation of church and state, and everything to do with the fact that
the left is _afraid_ of anything which even hints of "values".

Period.  "You shall know them by their fruits" a wise man once said.

It is so true.

>| 
>|You apparently believe that this is true.  Let me attempt to convince you 
>|that it is not.  A blind, grade-school girl was quietly praying her rosary 
>|beads on the school bus.  The bus driver took them away and the school 
>|forbade her from praying the rosary (even quietly) in public.
> 
>	Unfortunate.  And as far as I am concerned, the girl should not 
>have been prevented from doing her chants.
> 

Sounds to me like that bus-driver needs a little "sensitivity training".

> 

Jim Graham 

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                          Neither do they speak for me.
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