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From: sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian)
Subject: Sexism and the Dorm-Rec review of "Fist Full of Datas" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:29:58 GMT

    I have some comments about Matt Martin's review from Dorm-Rec





     First of all,  The opinions of Matt Martin do not necessarily 
reflect those of Dorm-Rec.

     I see some our refering to Crusher as a 'bitch' is causing
some people to become offended.  If you are one of those, you missed
our point.   We said that Crusher was being a bitch because of the way
she was acting.  First, she implied that it'd be worth Picard's time
to be in her play.  She has the captain by the balls, knows it, and
uses it in this episode.  She also developed a serious attitude
during play rehearsal and with Geordi when he couldn't find the play.
Her being female and in a position of power has NOTHING to do with
our opinions of her.  She's chief medical officer, and we at Dorm-Rec
don't have a problem with that.  The term 'BITCH' refered to the way
she was acting at the time, not her character as a whole.

     One comment about Troi and the leather pants, then I'll drop it...
We'll stop insulting her figure when she stops wearing 'revealing'
outfits.

      We're pissed that Troi saved Worf's ass, not because she's a female,
but because we hate Troi.  Ro (or even Yar if she was around) could save
Worf without a peep form us, but Troi...give me a break.  That's like
Alexander saving the big E by firing photon torpedoes at Romulan War
Birds.  My point is that Troi's character is not that of someone who
should be 'packing heat'.

     We at Dorm-Rec are not complete sexist bastards.  We are looking
foreward to posting our opinions about the rest of the episodes.

Happy Treking!!!!

				Sager  (owner of the Dorm-Rec)
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From: slovick@Apple.COM (Linda Slovick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Fistful of Datas
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:51:06 GMT
Organization: Slovick Engineering


In message <1992Nov14.211913.339@rivers>, Steven K. Manfred wrote:
>>>And it was nice to see Denise Crosby back in a guest role....she seems to
>>>have lost quite a lot of weight though, but you can tell it's her as she's
>>>still jumping all over Data.....:)

In rec.arts.startrek.current, article <74426@apple.apple.COM>, I wrote:
>>This was in "Fistful of Datas"?  I watched it again and didn't
>>see her.  Also didn't see her name in the credits.  Which
>>character was she?  Was she the "floosy" who whistled at Worf?

In message: <BxxDH7.HKL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> the Dorm-Rec folks
indicate that I'm not the only one confused when they reply:
>   We too are curious who Denise Crosby played.  We didn't see her either;
>so please, do tell!

A kind emailer (thank you Thomas Kiefer!) informed me that this
this posting is related to the ongoing speculation about possible
different roles that Denise Crosby might return as.  Apparantly,
the current speculation is that she's been showing up as Spot,
Data's cat.  That WOULD explain why I didn't recognize her (the
heavy makeup required for this character), the slinky walk, and
no billing (I doubt that a few "meows" qualify as a speaking
part).  :-)

Linda Slovick
slovick@apple.com                          "Tea, Earl Grey, hot"
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:32:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov16.155808.1487@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.200936.344@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>> 
>> I think they're related to Dan Quayle....
>> What do you lot think?
>
>Nope. Al Gore.
>> 
>> 

>> Steven.K.Manfred

Somebody beam this raving republican  into a bulkhead...

This is rec.arts.startrek.current
Not rec.arts.spell.potato.potatoe
Bring it somewhere else...

-- 
--------------
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: S.O.S.: Quality of Life (1)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:39:06 GMT


Sorry, guys and gals.  No witty repartee up here this week.  I've been
having one of those days where everything has been going against me.
And there's more ahead, which is why I can't spend too much time
talking up here.

So, here's the numbers!
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Nora Peal           3.0 / 10.0      3.0         * * * 
  Jeff Rupley         5.0 / 10.0      5.0         * * * * * 
  Rob Knauerhase      5.5 / 10.0      5.5         * * * * * Y
  Tim Witort           70 / 100       7.0         * * * * * * * 
  Mark Ruzon          7.4 / 10.0      7.4         * * * * * * * >
  Anton Sanderfoot    8.0 / 10.0      8.0         * * * * * * * * 
  Josh Laff          9.25 / 10.00     9.3         * * * * * * * * * >
=======================================================================
  Average                             6.5         * * * * * * Y
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Partial point key:
  [,] 0.1-0.2   [>] 0.3-0.4   [Y] 0.5-0.6   [X] 0.7-0.8   [*] 0.9-1.0 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The rest of this posting contains a description of the S.O.S. for
those of you who joined us already in progress.  For those of you
familiar with the system, type `n' now!



WHAT IS IT?
  The S.O.S. (Spoiler-Free Opinion Summary) is a twice-weekly posting
  made by yours truly.  The first posting is made Thursday and is
  intended to give those people who don't see the episode until later
  in the week a hint as to the quality of episode to expect.  The
  second posting is made Sunday and gives the final ratings for the
  entire week as a summary of the opinions of the entire viewing
  constituency (or at least those who participate :-)

HOW DO I JOIN IN?
  Becoming a part of the S.O.S. is simple.  After you've seen the
  episode, send me email at `jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu'.
  Include a simple rating on a numeric scale (no letter grades --
  too much controversy).  Please do NOT include any spoiler
  information.  I usually don't get to see the episodes until 11am
  Sunday, and I like to go in fresh.

This concludes this installment of the S.O.S.  Join us next posting
for more exciting adventures...

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From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.154105.2899@b8.b8.ingr.com| ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte) writes:
|In the discussion about Worf shooting the gun out of Data's hand what you are
|overlooking is the fact that they were following a program. Remember Deanna
|said that the program was locked and had to play out to the end. The shootout
|between Worf and Data was programmed.

Oh, so even if Worf had dropped the gun or pointed it at his own head, he
still would have shot Data's gun out of his hand?  I think not!

Tim
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Subject: "Chain of Command" spoilers and other thoughts
From: brian@sdg.dra.com
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:53:34 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

Spoilers for 'Chain of Command' ahead.......





























Here's an article I saw in my newspaper today.  I thought it might interest
people, so here it goes..  Oh, by the way, I'm not sure how you all handle 
articles so I'll give credit where credit is due...


'Star Trek' Captain Facing Final Frontier?


Compiled by Gail Pennington
of the Post-Dispatch Staff   (St. Louis, MO)

The "Star Trek: TNG" fan grapevine is buzzing with rumors that Patrick Stewart
will be replaced as Enterprise honcho for two episodes in a "tryout" for a
permanent replacement. Stewart's contract is up at season's end.
  
Ronnie Cox will indeed replace Stewart in episodes airing Dec. 14 and 21, "TNG"
spokeswoman Diane Castro confirms, but she says it isn't because of any tryout
scheme.  In the two-parter, 'Chain of Command', Stewart's Capt. Picard is
captured and brutally tortured by the evil Cardassians.  Cox is plucked to fill
in as captain and turns out to be a bullying lout.

But guess what?  Stewart's contract really does expire at season's end,
acknowledged Castro (So do the contracts of all the other "TNG" cast members).
Castro said an effort will be made to retain Stewart's services.


My comments.....

For anyone who might be wondering who Ronnie Cox is, he was the villian in 
"Total Recall" and "Robocop", and was also the police chief in "Beverly Hills
Cop" and also BHCII.

I guess Starfleet heard about Riker letting the Ferengi get hold of the Big E
so easily since they sent out some new guy.  :-)

As for the third paragraph, that contract stuff is news to me. NOT.


On to Joan Rivers - I saw the show, and must say Marina Sirtis does NOT have 
a big butt.   However her kneecaps were huge :-).  As for her voice, IMHO it is
quite alluring.  Too bad she has to mask her accent on the show.

Brent Spiner was hilarious - it was quite weird seeing him smiling and
laughing!

Apparently the Dancing Doctor was pregnant during quite a few episodes of one
season.  She said that one of the epsiodes was one where she had her first real
"love" story, so I'm figuring it was 'The Hidden' er, I mean, 'The Host' in 
season 4.

The rest of the show was kind of boring; Dorn likes to fly jets, Frakes misses
his wife, and Stewart thinks Joan Rivers is attractive.  Ho hum.


Adios!
Brian
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Teleporter Question
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:05:30 PST

    Why do they have transporter pads? They can transport from anywhere to
anywhere without standing on a pad, why does it matter? Wouldn't it be easier
to just do point to point transports?
 
Patrick
 
 
 
 
 
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas best line
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:57:36 GMT
               
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

Well, Picard's lines were good, but my favorites were Worf's:
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

"You wrote this program yourself?"
	(to Alexander, when the hooker flashes her thighs)

"Hmmm, I'm beginning to see the appeal of this program."
	

cheers,
scott

ps. At this rate, TNG will be renamed "The Wackiest Ship in the Starfleet"
for next year. Very disappointing.

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From: scheetz@watson.bms.com (Christopher Scheetz)
Subject: A Cowboy Song (Fist Full of Datas Spoilers!!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:10:00 GMT



"Admiral! There be spoilers here!!"

























Go no further ye of low spoiler constitution.























A COWBOY SONG


LEAD SINGER (BACKGROUND SINGER) 


Ya know a Klingon needs a horse,
(needs a horse...needs a horse)
and a Klingon needs a hat,
(needs a hat...needs a hat)
and a Klingon needs a gun,
(needs a gun...needs a gun)
if he wants to keep a'ridin'.
(ridin')

Ya know a Klingon needs a starship,
(needs a starship...needs a starship)
and a Klingon needs a holodeck, 
(needs a holodeck...needs a holodeck)
and a Klingon needs a councilor,
(needs a councilor...needs a councilor,
if he wants to keep a'ridin'.
(ridin')

Ya know a Klingon needs a schizophrenic android,
(schizophrenic android...schizophrenic android)
and a Klingon needs a failed computer link,
(failed computer link...failed computer link)
and a klingon needs a jury-rigged shield,
(jury-rigged shield...jury-rigged shield)
if he wants to keep a'ridin'.
(ridin')


Yahoo!
From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILEReview: "The Quality of Life"
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:41:29 GMT
Organization: The SPOILEReview Factory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

SPOILERS

Hmmm...


Okay. It's an episode written by Naren Shankar and
directed by Jonathan Frakes. It was bound to be good.

Within "Quality of Life" we get a philosophical argument
a la "Measure of a Man" (good) and "The Offspring" (not).
This time it hits more on the side of "Measure of a
Man"... a good expansion on the idea of what alive
really is.

Unfortunately, this argument drives me crazy. I don't
see the parallel between this show and "Measure of a Man"
as much as I see it with "Evolution" -- a bunch of little
computerized things, relatively primative, are being
weighed against human beings. And in my mind, human
beings win. You don't swerve to miss a racoon on the
road if there's a ravine next to the road, because if
you've got to pick between you and the racoon, YOU win.
In my opinion, anyway.

In this case, I think Riker was perfectly in the right.
Why Data didn't even suggest that the Exocomps decide the
whole thing for themselves in beyond me. He's not exactly
poky: we learned that the space bwteen his positronic
synapses (or whatever they are) doesn't even limit his
computational speed. So come on, Data... think faster! Riker
beat you to the punch...

Sigh. anyway, Farallon was a decent character, but a bit
bland... I prefer self-absorbed types like Stubbs in
"Evolution," who was somewhat likable, or at least somewhat
sympathetic. Farallon wasn't that likable... (maybe she should
be more of a baseball fan.. :)

Anyway, the exocomps were interesting little machines. The
idea that they could figure out what to do in the station
when the humans couldn't was reasonable. 

the character interaction in this show was nice, especially
the poker teaser and Geordi's frustration in carrying the
Exocomp around as Data and Farallon talked business...

Data's searching for the meaning of life again. A good
sign.

"The Quality of Life".. hmm. This show's moving in the
right direction once again.

grade: A-.

Time's Arrow II: C
Realm of Fear: C+
Man of the People: D+
Relics: A
Schisms: B
True Q: B-
Rascals: B-
A Fistful of Datas: B
The Quality of Life: A-

Next: reruns. I'll see y'all in January.

-jason

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From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:16:26 GMT

>>>IMHO she did quite well with that character. Maybe Bry was miscast as a
>scientist, or maybe she just couldn't get used to all that technobabble...<<
> 
>Any professional who works seven days a week, for a number of years on a
>project looses themselves to other points of view. This regularly occures in
>our simple 20th century, let alone on an expeimental mining platform in the 24
>th. Her role was well played out, a bright, but clearly burned out and
>emotional professional. Thee was no "miscast", as you claim...  IMHO. We may
>not feel good about the character, or her personal agenda...but  the "role"
>was well played, AND well written. 

I think you read more into my comments than I intended. My main point
was that people might consider what else an actress has done before
blasting her as a no-talent. I agree, the Farallon character was
completely plausible. I had the impression in places that Bry was
struggling to get inside the part, something I rarely get from guest
stars on TNG. Overall, she did okay, and brightened an otherwise
*awful* episode.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.223510.20277@news2.cis.umn.edu> rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>
>Maybe that explains why Worf can shoot the gun out of the hands of
>a gunslinger with an ancient, inaccurate lead projectile weapon, yet
>he can't hit a stationary blob of protoplasm (i.e., Ferengi), on the
>bridge...  Switch hands!

I think, when referring to Ferengi, the proper term is "bloated sack of proto-
plasm".

Sorry, I just had to say that. It's part of fulfilling the Ren & Stimpy pledge
I took. And now...

The underleg noises...


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: wilson@glitch.cs.jhu.edu (Dwight Wilson)
Subject: Re: "The Universe of MOTION" For Scripts
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.172514.2405@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>
>     The principles of Astronomy and Astrophysics described in this book should
>be incorporated into Star Trek scripts:          
>          
>          
>          
>          "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North 
>          Pacific Publishers, Portland, Oregon, 456 pages, indexed, 
>          hardcover. 
>          
>
>               "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to 
>          most ALL astrophysical mysteries. 
>          
>               This book is Volume III of a revised and enlarged 
>          edition of "THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE", 1959.  
>          Volume I is "NOTHING BUT MOTION" (1979), and Volume II is 
>          "THE BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER" (1988). 
>          
>               Most books and journal articles on the subject of 
>          astrophysics are bristling with integrals, partial 
>          differentials, and other FANCY MATHEMATICS.  In this book, by 
>          contrast, mathematics is conspicuous by its absence, except 
>          for some relatively simple formulas imbedded in the text.  
>          Larson emphasizes CONCEPTS and declares that mathematical 
>          agreement with a theory does NOT guarantee its conceptual 
>          validity. 
[and on and ON]

Yes, I would agree that a SCIENCE FICTION script is the BEST
possible PLACE for this sort of THING.

BTW, I saved the NUMEROUS programs posted to sci.skeptic for
random CAPITALIZATION of words that appeared shortly AFTER
similar posts there.  You TOO can easily PRODUCE articles
of this CALIBER.

-Dwight
------------------------
"Bark bark!" Dwight warned.  "Yip bark arf!"
"Say," the Slime Monster asked, "isn't that Dwight the Wonder Dog?"
"Everybody knows Dwight the Wonder Dog!" Officer O'Clanrahan agreed.
"It would be a shame," the monster replied, "if Dwight the Wonder
Dog had to be covered by slime."
"Bark, growl!" Dwight replied.  "Growl, growl, arf!"
                              -Bride of the Slime Monster

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From: tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.073110.5746@u.washington.edu> cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker) writes:
>In article <rawdon.721809957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
.
.
.
>
>Current clothing and beauty ideas are all geared towards the ideal
>that you seem to appreciate.  You certainly have the right to your
>own tastes, but even though my butt is in all likelihood larger
>than Sirtis', I will continue to judge myself by _my_ body type,
>and not Cindy Crawfords.
>

which makes me glad that _you_ were not the one wearing the leather
pants on the episode.

-tony
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:17:46 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
>>I think should take a good look at who he calls good actors and actresses.
>>The woman who played the docter was awful.  She couldn't act to save her life.
>>She a potentionally good episode sound like a cross between a bad commercial 
>>and "The Brady Bunch"  "When my reactor core breaks down I use one of these,
>>The Exo-Comp. Its fast easy and there's no messy clup"  What the Hell!
> 
> Since several people have flamed about the acting ability of the
> actress who played Dr. Farallon, I just thought I'd mention that her
> name is Ellen Bry and she's no newcomer to television. Remember
> vengeance-driven nurse/rape victim Shirley Daniels on St. Elsewhere?
> IMHO she did quite well with that character. Maybe Bry was miscast as
> a scientist, or maybe she just couldn't get used to all that technobabble...


THAT's who it was!!!!

Thank you for this bit of information.  I KNEW I'd seen her somewhere
before but I couldn't think of where.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What's the Opinion on Geordi's Beard?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:00:36 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>Another silly question: post-TOS (we're not getting into the crab-on
>the-skull questions), does anyone remember seeing a male Klingon WITH-
>OUT a beard?

  General Chang in The Undiscovered Country ???
  Mind you, he had no hair, and one eye missing too!!

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