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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:46:40 GMT
Reply-To:     Nicolas ASSIMOS <assimos@ATMS.IRIT.FR>
From:         Nicolas ASSIMOS <assimos@ATMS.IRIT.FR>
Subject:      peri Serdar Argic...
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

Kavw eva forward tou Spirou Triavtafullopoulou pou
faivetai oti gvwrizei arketa peri "Serdar Argic"
Auta se apavthsh kapoiou pou egrapse stn lista ligo
priv tis giortes...


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From: Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Subject: Re:  peri soc.culturologias
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File Niko,

Euxaristw gia tis giortines efxes. Molis gyrisa apo pswnia. Loipon,
h statistikh tou Argic einai polh aplh. Kathe mera apo 10 ws 12 messages,
merikes fores parapanw. Peripou 300-400KB/week.

Gia to kotopoulo: Argic DEN einai to pragmatiko tou onoma. Sthn Amerikh
'chicken' grafoume kai tous deilous (cowards) pou fovountai na grapsoun
me to pragmatiko tous onoma.

Alla mia kai rwthses, exw standard information file na sou steilw.
Apolafse...

    Hasan B-) Mutlu Frequently Asked Questions
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Usenet's Middle East related groups (in particular soc.culture.greece,
soc.culture.turkey, talk.politics.soviet, talk.politics.mideast,
soc.culture.europe and soc.history used to be cool back maybe 3 years
ago; then, posts of Armenians and Turks started. These posts were
usually very up-to-the-point, many with proper references, no personal
attacks, etc. They went on for a while. In soc.culture.greek at least,
they stopped, after a prolonged discussion of whether Armenian - Turkish
debates really belonged there.

The usual debates between Greeks and Turks regarding Cyprus had always
been going on, but I do not recall anything to the extent I have seen
now. It was mostly Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, mostly university
students in the US, slugging it out in perfect fashion. Occasionally,
Greeks and Turks would join in, but again, most of the time the discussions
were very civilized.

Hasan B-) Mutlu, a Turk working for AT&T, living in the Chicago, IL
area, appeared maybe 3 years ago and started flooding the net, posting
from his account at work. In contrast to most other participants in
the discussions, his style was extremely insulting, with personal
attacks, irrelevant quotes, and little effort at dialog being some of
the main staples of his net activity. People complained and his
account at work at AT&T got canned. He somehow continued with a
forged account (han@sarp.aic.com) for a while, then that too
got canned. Hasan went far enough to flame the REAL aic.com when they
mentioned on the net he was forging their name.

Hasan then proceeded to put his own personal machine on the net,
anadolu.michigan.com. The machine used to post upwards of 300 KB a
week, crossposting to eternity. Various rounds of discussions were held
in both soc.culture.* and news.admin groups but nothing came of it.
As news statistics of the period suggest, he was frequently in the top
10 of number of articles and/or volume posted.
10 of number of articles and/or volume posted.

By this time, he was involved not only in his claims that the Armenian
genocide did *not* happen, but in out right insult of various ethnic
groups, including Greeks, Armenians, Cypriots, and others. An
interesting twist was his trying to create conflict between Greeks and
Jews, citing incidents well into the 16th century (during which time
Greece was under occupation by the Ottoman Empire of course). Various
(and numerous) posts on the subject were made, but almost always never
in soc.culture.jewish. Hasan did flood soc.culture.jewish on occasion,
but he seemed to not want to post there, preferring to post material
on the "Greek Atrocities to Jewish people" in irrelevant groups such
as soc.culture.australia and soc.culture.bulgaria instead.

Some freak accident or incident we do not know about (surprisingly
coresponding to the Chicago floods of 1991) forced Mutlu off the net,
only to return a week later thru a public access site, ddsw1.mcs.com,
of chicago, il. He kept posting his usual material there, with
relative immunity as the machine administrator was (rightfully so) a
supporter of free speech, and even defended Mutlu's right to post on a
number of occasions.  For some reason we do not know about, Hasan then
switched to a digest form (i.e. answering with several insults to
several people in one message) when people complained. Finally he was
removed from there after he made some rather serious allegations which
were proven wrong (See section on Cosar below)

Of course, Hasan managed to get his machine back on the net. Then, he
started forging posts for several months thru the ucbvax mail to news
gateway. This went on for a while, and in fact for a month after his
own news feed (michigan.com) went out of business. The amount of
crossposting during this era was phenomenal. Finally, the gateway
administrators at Berkeley canned him and everyone else also.
Before continuing, one should be introduced to a key player, though a
silent one, in the Hasan B-) Mutlu case. Ahmet Cosar, a Ph.D student
in Computer Science at the University of Minessota, provides Mutlu net
access thru his own machine. anatolia is Cosar's machine, zuma is
Mutlu's. Cosar of course was almost kicked out of the university for
forging posts in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica under a well known
and respected soc.culture.greek reader's name. This reader and his
well known employer pursued the subject actively, obtained system
logs of all involved systems and proved without a doubt who the forger
was. Cosar was faced with either expulsion or an apology, and selected
a public apology on all involved groups.

Other Mutlu accomplishes include Nejat or KELLY, of Syracuse
University, who provides the "Greeks commited atrocities against the
Jews in 1600" material. An unemployed U of M graduate (consultant)
living in the Ann Arbor, MI area, Mustafa Soysal, also appears to be
involved with the group. His machine is also connected to Cosar's. He
has been the only person so far to actually exchange flames and dialog
with other netters, or post material unrelated to the Mutlu cause. He
also maintains the soc.culture.turkish FAQ.

Mutlu now posts under an alias (Serdar Argic) as the negative
publicity appeared to hurt his professional image. He's actually an
accomplished at&t researcher, with publications in magazines such as
IEEE's. This fact has not been substantiated though, and Mutlu's
contributions to the technical community (mostly in the area of
digital communications) continue.

'Serdar Argic' makes no effort to hide his real identity. All the text
is the same as Hasan Mutlu's. The only difference is that in his early
days, at least, 'Serdar' was much more boring than Hasan. Now, as more
and more people continue to associate the two together, all pretenses
In my 10 years on USENET, Mutlu is a very unique phenomenon. He won't
stop crossposting or posting, no matter what we do. He now has a UUNET
feed which, as far as we can tell, is ONE WAY, and non-disconnectible.
(UUNET's policies, rightfully so, similar to those of a phone company,
prohibit NOT carrying traffic based on content).  People have
complained for four years but nothing has really come out of it. So
I'm afraid that users will have to use a killfile or enjoy his
material, and those of the anti-Mutlu crowd, as well.


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Spiros

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EYTYXISMENO TO 1993 GIA OLO TON KOSMO (akoma kai gia tov Argic...)

Nikos (assimos@atms.irit.fr)
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