From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: What are you sucking on, Anwar?  (was Re: John Elghani sucking on his toes)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:25:15 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Btr5Kv.Dz4.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <3651@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>>Prove it with facts and figures, not just words.
>
>Refer to my ealier response to you in this regard.  What do
>you have to say to it?  Probably nothing.  Like your
>support for a murderer, you'll probably ignore it now
>that you are faced with facts.

What earlier response?  Since you insist on stating that Kuwait
has given so charitably to all the other Arab and Islamic states,
I wanted you to support that by giving me a small compilation of
statistics to support your claims.  But that might be too much to
ask for - after all, you probably don't know - you aren't a
diplomat or representative of the Kuwaiti government.

Okay, Anwar.  Lets stop playing this little game.   We know that
Kuwait has given generously to the other Arab states - that is
a fact.  However, it has primarily benefitted their interests and
that is my point.  I am also saying, which you are ignoring, that
all Muslims are entitled to their equal share in the distribution
of wealth - this is not Sabah's land or money or even that of the
land know as Kuwait - it belongs to all the Muslim people.  The
leaders might realize this, but because of their political aims
and greed, they are denying the people of this by putting them
in class systems.

And if you ever read any of my previous postings, I stated quite
clearly that I never supported Saddam Hussein.  I know he is a
murderer and a liar - I would never support him or any socialist/
Ba'athist leader or government.  I am only stating the injustices
and dehumanization on the Palestinians by Kuwaitis after the War,
which you continue to deny because of your pride and arrogance.
I don't condone blatant discrimination against anyone - I know
that some Palestinians supported Saddam Hussein - but not everyone!
Because of a few mistakes, the entire population had to pay the
price and this is outrageous!  You don't even care about that -
you think it is acceptable because of your arrogance.  You can
try and deny it but we know the truth.  And the proof also exists
where the Yemenese are concerned.  What about the 2-3 million
Yemenese who were kicked out of Saudi Arabia for their government
(who is also socialist) for supporting Saddam?  Why punish all the
people for the mistakes of a few opinions?  And what crimes did they
commit to be treated like this?  We just see it as further
humiliation and disunity on the part of Kuwait to the other Arabs.
   
>>> Kuwait has been involved in supporting 
the diplomatic missions for Somalia and sending aid to 
Bosnia-Hercegovina.
>
>>Prove it with facts and figures, not words.
>
>This has been reported in NPR.  Millions in aid and political
>support in Bosnia-Nercegovina, and the paying of all expenses
>for Somalian diplomatic missions.

Millions?  I think that is an exaggeration.  I heard it was only
a couple hundred thousand.  But what is that compared to the
millions of dollars that they make daily?  Are they just giving
money to say 'look at us' - 'this is what we are doing' for
appreciation or respect?  Or out of kindness and purity of heart?

>>>  Kuwait has no option of helping in Sudan as
the government there, which is hostile to Kuwait,
>
>>Because Sudan is an Islamic government.  We know the history
of Kuwait trying to destroy Islamic governments that it fears
because it calls on Kuwaiti injustic - which is an awfully
damned ackward position.

I forgot to add that Sudan also stayed semi-neutral during the
Gulf War, and because of it, Kuwait completely withdrew any
support for that government.  Isn't that hostility?  Impartiality?
Trying to control lives monetarily because it doesn't fit in with
their political agenda?  Do you think you can rule the Middle East
forever?

>>> is largely 
responsible for the misery there (mostly inflicted on Christians,
who are also being enslaved by the Sudani government).

Your government was the one to support the Christians to go
into the Muslim villages and murder innocent people.

>>What does this all have to do with Kuwaiti misuse of Muslim
money and inhumanity to Palestinians after the war?  YOU need
to get your own facts straight before posting such biased garbage.
>
>What about the inhumanity of Palestinians?  What about it, Anisa?
>When will you come out of denial and face your support for
>rape, murder, and torture of the most heinous sort?

I am not denying anything.  What inhumanity of Palestinians?  Is
it inhumane for several to voice their frustration of Kuwaiti
arrogance and unequal treatment by supporting someone whom they
believed was going to liberate them?  What about the others - what
did they do?  Are you suggesting that they aided Iraqi soldiers
in raping women and murdering and torturing people?  What proof do
you have?  And how DARE you accuse me or supporting that?  Of
supporting this dictator and the pillage of another country???  YOU
don't know me and have NO RIGHT to say such a thing.  Despite several
comments I make, I still am a Muslim at heart and believe in Arab
unity through Islam - not through Hafiz Assad or Saddam Hussein!  I
don't condone ANY injustices on ANY Muslim people!  Get your facts
straight before publically making erroneous and slanderous statements!!

>>>So if you are looking for someone to attack, why don't you attack
the Iraqi government, which has propped up this murderous Sudani
regime?

HOW DARE you say "this murderous Sudani regime"??  Remember your
roots, Anwar.  What are you?  Who are you?  Are you a bigot towards
Islam and Islamic governments?  Do you subscribe to the blatant
lies and distortions of the Western media in view of this?

>I have presented facts, you have not responded.  You should respond
>to these facts and stop supporting raving lunatics before you lose 
>all credibility.

But from what I see, you haven't.  I don't want a war with you,
Anwar.  I want to stop these insulting postings on tpm.  Even
though I resent your attitude and what you say on different
levels, you are still our brother.  We are not here to 'gang up'
on you.  We are only presenting the truth and YOU are denying it.
YOU are denying your Muslim heritage and siding against us ...  You
need to open your mind and your heart and examine it well before
accusing others and stereotyping.

>>You start first by taking your thumb out of your mouth and your
other one out of your ... whoops!!
>
>Anisa, I wonder where a Muslim women gets the imagination for
>such vulgarities.  It isn't surprising coming from someone who
>who supported the same "Arab patriot" who's troops raped 
>women in Kuwait in a variety of imaginative ways that I'm sure
>you'd have no trouble visualizing.

I know, that was very vulgar.... and obviously out of anger.
But I apologize to you - I just don't like to see you attack
my brother and friend.  He is NOT a raving lunatic.  He has
decency and respectability - he just doesn't follow your
agenda.  That doesn't make him crazy or stupid or for you to
insult him by saying 'he is sucking on his toes' because of
stating a fact - that the Kuwaiti government is so sensitive
to Britian and keeping their friendship by donating millions
to animals while people PEOPLE are starving.

Where is your humanity, Anwar?  Where is your heart?  Your
feelings?

Let's stop this game, okay?  I think you are a nice person
and this just got out of hand.  I just hate arrogant attitudes -
and yours is showing so much ... that's all.  And I don't mind
taking this email ...

Afwan -

Anisa