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From: Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Organization: Shepherd Labs
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:18:30 GMT

I went through this a couple of months ago and was able to shave almost
3lbs off my Hao Extreme.

I rebuilt my wheels with Matrix Mt Titan rims(395 grms.) 14/15/14 spokes
and alloy nipples.  And mounted Skoke Lite Kevlars.  I also milled a
number of holes in the cassette cogs.  Now, 300 road and 100 hard off
road miles later, everything has held up very well and I love it all.

I also tossed the rapidfailure shifter/brakes and put XT thumbs and SS-5
levers on my Scott AT-3 bars with a new, much lighter stem.  My DX
canti's were replaced by 987's (986's are too soft).  Now if I could only
do something with my rear U-Brake (this also acts as an anchor) I would
be set.

I did some other little things that seem ridiclous but help in a number
of ways.  I used nylon screws to mount my water bottle cages and zefel
removable fenders (nylon screws are lighter, prevent corrosion and
eliminate the risk of stripping out braze-ons).  I switched back to a
seat binder bolt and allen wrench and got Odessy QR's (really light and
really cool) for my wheels.  I also put 26x!1.5 (or something) tubes in
the tires.  These are lighter without being super expensive like latex.

So about $400 later my 28 lb tank now weighs a mere 25.5 lbs.  wow!!  And
thats without buying any titanium super stuff!!

Happy Dieting!!!
***********************************************
Kevin J. Groenke
Student Lab Services Coordinator               o               o
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From: khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:23:55 GMT

In <9239@alvin.mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:

>For a contrary opinion , we take you to the WSJ of 7-28:

>        "Spectacular Cycling
>	...excellent production of Sunday's women's 81km...
>	smooth as a freshly paved road.
>	...addition of music heightened the drama. The photography
>	was spectacular"

For a diametrically opposed review, see the San Jose Mercury, July 29,
which heaps opprobium on NBC for being *overly* "up close, and
personal" to the point of being "maudlin" at the expense of actual
sports coverage. And this is from one of the 2 regular Mercury TV
critics (not the infamous Mark Purdy of "manly men don't wear skin
tight shorts in rush hour Santa Monica freeway traffic").
--
Michael Khaw	Domain=khaw@parcplace.com, UUCP=...!uunet!parcplace!khaw
ParcPlace Systems, Sunnyvale, CA	PRODUCT INFO: info@parcplace.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:17:33 EDT
From: Bryan Jones <BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!

In article <1992Jul20.101051.7656@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
says:
>
>Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one will not miss him. I was
>getting a bit fed up with all his whinging about not feeling to good on one
>day, then saying he felt great the next (the day he and Chiapucci stole just
>over a minute). You don't here people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining.

Not to prejudice myself as a Lemod fan, but with the coverage that we in
the states receive, you only get to see Lemond being interviewed.  As
far as whining is concerned, he was probably asked the question of
how he felt, and he answered it.  How would Roche or Chiapucci answer
that same question????

Just my opinion...

Bryan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@bigheavywood.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.151830.10787@news2.cis.umn.edu> Groenke  
<kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu> writes:
> I went through this a couple of months ago and was able to shave almost
> 3lbs off my Hao Extreme.
> 
..
> I also tossed the rapidfailure shifter/brakes and put XT thumbs and SS-5
> levers on my Scott AT-3 bars with a new, much lighter stem.  My DX
> canti's were replaced by 987's (986's are too soft).  Now if I could  
only
> do something with my rear U-Brake (this also acts as an anchor) I would
> be set.

Sounds like you did some cool stuff.  But regarding the U-brake ("U-break,  
we fix") you could certainly accommodate cantis on most bikes by just  
taking a trip to a framebuilder and getting them (and cable guides) added.   
The one here in Ann Arbor (Mark Nobilette) will complete the conversion  
for about $50, then you just buy the cantis.  A Haro, or other elevated  
chainstay bike, may pose problems (or add to cost since the U-brake studs  
have to come off when they are seatstay mounted) but for most bikes I  
think it's worth it.  Roasts the paint, of course, but I just  
rattle-canned my bridgestone after the conversion and went merrily up the  
trail.
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:21:17 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

>In article <1992Jul21.142840.9110@meaddata.com> georged@meaddata.com  
>(George Dibos) is splitting:
>> ... it is getting to be a hassle to wade through...  [all the
>>postings] ...
>> 
>> Is it time to spin off an enthusiast's group?  

In article <5575@ucru2.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek)
>joins in:
>I totally agree on this one. ... 
>
>How do we get these in place?

>Mike Shebanek


Take this to news.groups and join the discussion there.
There might even be a call for votes soon.

We need the space here for all the posting I thoroughly enjoy wading
through. 

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: centuries
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:33:24 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Jul21.143623.22860@tamsun.tamu.edu> glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr) writes:

>>An ASCII contour-profile map of Kansas after the above rendition.
>>            /\/\
>>           /    \
>>          /      \                
>>         /        \               O  O
>>Colorado/          \_____________/ \/ \______________^^^_Missouri
>>                             (Flint Hills)

>Nice ASCII work there, Sam, but I think you are giving Kansas more 
>credit than it is due.

No, that's about right, although the flat stretch in the middle
should be longer, or at least it seems that way when you are
driving it.  :-)

>I have traversed Kansas many times, mostly on I-35 and the Kansas
>Turnpike.
...
>I am ever thankful that they remind me that the area is "scenic".

You can't appreciate the Flint Hills properly from the Interstates.
You have to get out on the country roads.  I'm going to visit my
parents in a week and hope to take my bike and get out in the hills
a little.

>It is all relative, I guess, but I find the most exciting sight
>to be the cattle pen between Emporia and Wichita.

I'm told that apart from the cattle pen turnoff, that is the
longest exitless stretch of Interstate in the US.  Truly, it
is not very exciting or scenic along the turnpike.

>Maybe one of
>these times, when I am on my way through, I will even see some cattle. 

Go west, young man.  More of the cattle are in the western half of the
state where it's too dry to grow most crops.  There are many large
feedlots out in the Dodge City area.

Even Wichita, which is not in the hills, has more elevation change
than the coastal plains around Houston.  Now between the Flint Hills
and where the foothills begin, yeah, it's VERY flat.
I think they do have a century out there in the summer.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tennies instead of expensive MTB shoes
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:38:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

A couple of years ago I was in one of those cheap clothes outlets
(maybe Ross?) and ran across a pair of kangaROOS with velcro
closures. I've used these things extensively for thousands of 
miles of mountain biking, walking, touring and general layabouting
and have really gotten my $15 worth.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:02:56 GMT

In article <5575@ucru2.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.142840.9110@meaddata.com> georged@meaddata.com  
>(George Dibos) writes:
>> There is such a mixed bag of postings in this group that it is 
>> getting to be a hassle to wade through...  several hundred after
>> a weekend, and maybe a hundred each weekday.
>> 
>> It seems that nearly all of them fall into "basic" and "advanced"
>> categories, which is to say recreational riders and enthusiast/
>> racers.
>> 
>> Is it time to spin off an enthusiast's group?  
>> -- 
>
>
>I totally agree on this one.  It is way too much work to filter the things  
>that don't interest me. I'm on the Internet, not dialing in, so things for  
>me are much faster than for most I imagine.  I don't know how anyone else  
>puts up with it.  May I suggest the following groups:
>
>rec.bicycles.touring
>rec.bicycles.racing
>rec.bicycles.equipment
>rec.bicycles.advocacy
>rec.bicycles.rides
>rec.bicycles.legal
>
>How do we get these in place?
>
>--
>Mike Shebanek
>Computing and Communications
>University of California, Riverside
>Riverside, CA.  92521

     Thats a lot of subgroups, how about just:

     rec.bicycles.road
     rec.bicycles.mtn

     Personally I only am interested in mtn biking articles, I dont want to
have to look through 6 diff groups. Maybe this subdivision could be a good start.

     Marcus
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1683177C8.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
>*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport. All we see
>are selected highlights (selected by someone who is completely ignorant
>of cycling), set to pointless music. And then instead of more cycling...an
>Eric Clapton music video????? Hey, Eric is my #1 guitar hero, and the
>guy who inspired me to play back in '68, but I don't want to see Clapton
>videos in my cycling coverage any more than I want to hear cycling commentary
>on my Cream records.

Yeah, it was so bad I was expecting Barry Tompkins to pop up at any
moment.  After three weeks of Phil Ligget and Paul Sherwin on ESPN, I
guess we'be been spoiled by their coverage of the TdF.  I guess I expected
the Olympic coverage to be bad...


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
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Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18970 ont.general:1282 can.general:3600
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:26:27 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>pt@geovision.gvc.com writes:
>>880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
>>
>>>Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>
>>>I live in Ontario, and I disagree with the mandatory law, but I agree with
>>>helmets.  For me, it has nothing to do with getting a ticket, it is just
>>>one more constricting law to get money for the government.
>>
>>Anybody who doesn't wear a bike helmet _will_ probably have their head
>>examined - by a coroner.
>>
>>-- 
>>Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
>>(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
>>Zen T-Shirt: Enlightenment Available - Enquire Within
>> -- Paul Gillingwater (Paul.Gillingwater@actrix.gen.nz) on rec.humor.funny

>Please get your quotes right, I did not write the above paragraph.

Sorry, I must have deleted the wrong line.  I wrote the "I live in..."
part, and I assume Paul T. the other. =-) SJ.
>Gaea
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: fredrikm@eik.ii.uib.no (Fredrik Manne)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: Institute of Informatics, University of Bergen, Norway
Distribution: rec,world
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.110131.15686@synapse.bms.com>, idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson) writes:
|> How do you pronounce the last name of Z team member Atla Kvallsvol. Phil Liggett and 
|> Paul Sherwen seem to pronounce it Kuh-vallsvol or just Vallsvol while Barry Tompkins insists on pronouncing it Kavasoll. 
|> 
|> I'm not sure which is right but Kavasoll definitely seems wrong to me!
|> 
|> Ira Idelson
|> 

First, his name is Atle Kv{\aa}lsvoll (only Norwegian rider in this years TdF). 
{\aa} is latex for "a" with a small circle above. 

The way to pronounce his lastname is 

Kv + "ou" as in thought + ls (short break) + v +  "ou" as in thought + ld.

His first name is pronounced:

"A" as in far + tl + "e" as in red

By the way he became a father (second time) yesterday (monday).
He was apparently interviewed on a couple of French tv stations covering the tour.

                                              _______
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Dep. of Informatics     fax: +47 5 544199  `     |  oo  `  Falls Mainly In
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From: chzs06@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Side-by-side tandem
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:59:34 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <36630068@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, martinh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Martin Harris) writes:
> 
>   Hear in the UK, there's a company called NeatWork (based in Coldingham, 
> Scotland) who produce such a contraption, called the Buddy Bike. Here you 
> sit side by side but share the same crank with a pedal arm shaped as shown
> below.
>                 _          _
>                | |__==__  | |
>              |_|    ==  |_|
> 
>   The bike is based on a single frame  with outriders for the saddles and
> handlebars (only one pair of which is linked to the headset). The only thing
> I can't work out is how you stop unbalancing if your partner is not the same
> weight or banking round corners ?!

It's really quite easy to ride solo. I could do it first time.

The company is in Coldstream.

neil mcdonald
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:52:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>Because the took the bike off the
>road and cleanup up the scene there was no evidence for the cop.  Of course
>by the time he got to the hospital they discovered that his neck was broken
>and after the hospital stay it was too late to press charges.  The driver
>got off completely scot free.

Talk to a lawyer.  There might be an opportunity for a civil suit
irrespective of criminal prosecution.  I trust that the attorney
will be amused by not only their "cleaning up" of an accident scene
before the police arrived, but also their moving of someone who
turned out to have a broken neck.

>  So make sure that if you are in a crash that you lay on the pavement and
>stay there until the ambulance comes.  

Use good sense, of course.  No extra points for getting run over by cars 2-n.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: ts24@prism.gatech.EDU (SHANDS,TIMOTHY G)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:57:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <92203.185830GARYG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> GARYG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

>Help--I want to "baggage" my bicycle with me but United Airlines wants
>$45 each way. The only way I think I can get around this is if I can
>pack the bike into 2 boxes each no longer than 61 linear inches (length+
>width+height). Any suggestions from experienced bicycle travelers? Do I have
>any easier options?

YES!  Send your bike ahead of time by UPS.  Use a bike box from a bike shop.
Have the bike shop show you how to put the bike in.  If you send it regular
ground and give it 5 days or so, it will cost you about $12.  This way the 
airlines can't lose it and you won't have to lug it around the airport.  The
only problem is you must send it to someone - not the airport or a post office
or a UPS office.  Also I think it is cheaper to send it to a commercial address.

I did this and it worked great!  I found a local bike shop from which I could
start my tour.  I called them and asked if it was ok.  The bike shop seemed
happy to oblige provided everything was paid in advance.  I sent the bike then
called the bike shop before I flew out to find if my bike had made it.  It
felt reassuring to know that my bike was already there and waiting for me.  If
it hadn't made it, I could then have called UPS and put a trace on it.  I gave
myself a couple extra in case this happened.  Nothing is worse than flying to
some remote place to start a tour and having the airlines lose your bike.

PS.  If you don't know (which I didn't) how to fit the bike in that small box,
here's how:

1) remove the pedals
2) remove the handlebars
3) remove the seat
4) remove the front wheel
5) turn the forks around backwards
6) place the front wheel beside the crank arms and feed the crank arms 
   through the spokes
7) put something between the front fork dropouts (I got a plastic insert made 
   for this purpose from a bike shop)
8) put the pedals and seat in the space between the bottom bracket and front 
   forks
9) put a piece of cardboard over the top of the bike and tape the handle bars
   to that
-- 
SHANDS,TIMOTHY G
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:31:04 GMT

I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport. All we see
are selected highlights (selected by someone who is completely ignorant
of cycling), set to pointless music. And then instead of more cycling...an
Eric Clapton music video????? Hey, Eric is my #1 guitar hero, and the
guy who inspired me to play back in '68, but I don't want to see Clapton
videos in my cycling coverage any more than I want to hear cycling commentary
on my Cream records.
 
I mainly like to watch the sports I enjoy participating in- which for me means
cycling, boating and shooting sports. I can just see them trying to set the
100-yard free pistol match to disco music...
 
          --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: gwalker@lily04.waterloo.edu (Greg Walker)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:57 GMT

In article <Bs4xL6.2D@math.uwaterloo.ca>, mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF]) writes:
> Funny, I thought bikes *are* entitled to a complete lane.

They are.  I believe this is in the HTA, but if I am mistaken, then
it is certainly a municipal bylaw here in Waterloo.  The wording of
it goes something like "in heavy urban traffic, a bicycle is entitled
to a full lane of traffic".  There may also have been some restrictions
about only being allowed to do this on multi-lane roads; I can't quite
recall all the details.

I frequently do this when riding down King St. south of the hospital,
since 1) the traffic is quite heavy there, and 2) the pavement is in
simply awful condition from the curb to about 1.5m into the lane.  I
just don't want to be bounced from a 10cm deep pothole into the path of
Joe Mustang, even if he _is_ doing the speed limit.
-- 
Greg Walker           "It's hard to work in groups when you're omnipotent" -- Q
University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
gwalker@descartes.waterloo.edu
From: drm@stimpy.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF))
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:53:01 GMT
Reply-To: drm@stimpy.com
Organization: ESL, a TRW Subsidiary

In article 711992406@gmd.de, schmidt@gmd.de (Klaus P. Schmidt) writes:
 >
>   Attending an English course in Cambridge (England) I learned, that
>   people in Great Britain strive to pronounce names correctly, that is
>   as the owners of the names pronounce their names themselves. I don't
>   find it tedious but I do find it a matter of respect and politeness.
>
It's also a pretty hopeless task in the US, where a typical university class
will have  Czechs, Poles, Indonesians, Latin Americans, 
Chinese, Vietnamese, Ukranians, and a half-dozen other nationalities.   Roll
call is one long  series of guesses at pronunciation with many of the names 
on the list transliterated from non-roman alphabets.  When names are
routinely mangled you learn not to get too worked up about it.

On more than one occasion my name has provoked laughter because it's
the only one the instructor was even able to take a stab at pronouncing
correctly.

Objoke: A Czech  goes in for an eye exam.  The doctor asks him if
he can read the third line down on the eye chart.  The patient responds
"Read it!? I know the guy!"

---
Don McGregor | "The platform the program runs best on is the  
drm@esl.com  |    overhead projector."