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From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: NLP
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Where can I obtain more info on NLP besides Tony Robbins?  I read
Grinder's and Bandler's "The Structure of Magic I and II" (which I found
much more helpful in some respects to "Unlimited Power"). The problem I
face is that my university does not have any more applicable NLP
related books. Are there any? If so, what are they called and where
can I obtain them? I am also intereseted in any NLP training where-ever
they teach the stuff. Can anyone help me out.

Thanks,
Randy 
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: gzogbi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George C Zogbi)
Subject: Re: LUCID DREAMING !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ???
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:21:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.151648.10157@odin.corp.sgi.com> smorris@esdmfg44.Sgi.COM
(Steve Morris) writes:
>Anybody out there into this?  I've read some
>things about lucid dreaming (awake in your dreams)
>but haven't mastered the techniques yet.
>
>A while back there was some talk about
>'dream goggles' that sense REM sleep
>and start flashing little lights to
>help you realize you are dreaming.
>
>Does anybody in netland use these, or
>know where I can get a pair?
>
>Please post responses as my email is not
>quite setup yet.  Thanks,
>              Steve M.
>
>
>Keywords: LUCID DREAMING
>

 I got interested in lucid dreaming about three months ago when I had
 my first lucid dream.  It was a pretty incredible experience and I became
 interested in seeing if there were any techniques that would help induce
 a lucid dream.  I found some good books in the library with a program of
 excercises designed to induce lucid dreaming.  To be honest, my sleeping
 schedule has been to  crazy to begin any systematic sleep excercises but
 I will be able to start soon.  I'll take those books out of the library
 again and post the names and authors when I get them.
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Books on NLP
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 10:31:03    


Excellent list, Ramesh, thanks for passing that on for

Here's two more sources, in addition to NLP Comprehensive.
All three of these sources probably stock most or all of the
books which I and others in the newsgroup have recommended,
which is a small subset of the total publications in teh field.

The first is META Publications, the original NLP publishing house
which is also associated with continuing development in the field ...
continuing work ...

	Meta Publications
	P.O. Box 565
	Cupertino, Ca., 95015
	(415) 965-0954

The second, as previously promised, is Metamorphous Press, publisher
of a very wide variety of NLP and NLP-related materials ...

	Metamorphous Press
	P.O. Box 10616 
	Portland, OR. 97210-0616
	(800) 937-7771

					hope this helps,

					todd
From: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Breeding, xt-dGR,)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: NLP
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

A good recent basic description of NLP is "Introducing Neuro-Linguistic
Programming," by Joseph O'Connor, available in paperback.  The bibliography
there will point you to many more sources.
From: John.Matylonek@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Matylonek)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: quantum learning
Summary: Bookk review k
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:26:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Has anyone reviewed the book "Quantum Learning"?	

matylojc at duvm.ocs.drexel.edu


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From: mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Activity and flow
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:17:56 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
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Gunnar Forsgren <gunnar@beppe.ericsson.se> wrote:
: John.Matylonek@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Matylonek) writes:
: >A number of researchers at major universities have discovered that happiness
: >and satisfaction in life come from being totally consumed in the task
: >at hand. Of course, this activity must be sufficently challenging to ones
: >level of skill yet not overwhelming.
: >That is the secret to self esteem and
: >happiness - for if one loses oneself, ones self is not an issue.
: This seems to suggests that we be more happy the less we are aware of,
: or present to our self.
Just what is this "self" you want to be aware of?
In the experience now there is no such animal!
It's a fiction of thinking/memory.

: But when things are not going that well anymore the self becomes
: wery much present, saying 'Whats wrong with me/them/it ?', 'I failed' , etc..
: But that is not a new discovery, although it may be for those researchers.
Indeed. See almost every eastern religion/psychology/philosopy.

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From: gunnar@beppe.ericsson.se (Gunnar Forsgren)
Subject: Re: Activity and flow
Keywords: Flow states, Zen, sport Highs d
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:17:38 GMT

John.Matylonek@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Matylonek) writes:

>A number of researchers at major universities have discovered that happiness
>and satisfaction in life come from being totally consumed in the task
>at hand. Of course, this activity must be sufficently challenging to ones
>level of skill yet not overwhelming.
>That is the secret to self esteem and
>happiness - for if one loses oneself, ones self is not an issue.

This seems to suggests that we be more happy the less we are aware of,
or present to our self. Would that also mean that our self is not
such a nice animal to be in prescence of ?

Is it not so that in the best moments of our lives we are
not really present, we have no experience of our self. Time may pass
without we being aware of it. As a person described it once, we can be said to
be transparent to what is happening, our self is not an issue at such moments.
But when things are not going that well anymore the self becomes
wery much present, saying 'Whats wrong with me/them/it ?', 'I failed' , etc..
But that is not a new discovery, although it may be for those researchers.
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From: adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein)
Subject: Re: LUCID DREAMING !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:58:23 GMT


I discovered lucid dreaming about 3 years ago when I had a week of very little
sleep.  I would doze off while sitting in the library, and then try to open my
eyes.  When I found that I could not, I became very frightened.  I could feel my
body, but it would not respond at all.  Eventually, I became so terrified, that I
jerked myself awake (like from a nightmare).  

The experience has occured a few times since then, with varying levels of
awake-awareness, but each time ends the same way.  Even though I now know that
it's a pretty neat feeling and won't hurt me, the "nice" feeling fades eventually
to be replaced by the fear again, and so I jerk awake.  Sometimes it happens when
I try to breath, because it feels like I'll suffocate.  Since it feels like my
lungs aren't listening to me, I cannot just relax and let the natural autonomic
system do the breathing for me.  

Anyway, is there some way to release these fears?  Is there anything useful I can
do while dreaming lucidly?  I really don't know much about this at all.  Thanks.


Andy Rothstein
adrothst@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: albers@fields.UWaterloo.ca (Sheri L. Albers)
Subject: Re: NLP
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:34:52 GMT

In article <Bs28sF.3FJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
> Where can I obtain more info on NLP besides Tony Robbins?  I read
> Grinder's and Bandler's "The Structure of Magic I and II" (which I found
> much more helpful in some respects to "Unlimited Power"). The problem I
> face is that my university does not have any more applicable NLP
> related books. Are there any? If so, what are they called and where
> can I obtain them? I am also intereseted in any NLP training where-ever
> they teach the stuff. Can anyone help me out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy 

What does NLP stand for?
From: dan@netlabs.com (Daniel Ketcham)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: LUCID DREAMING !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ???
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:45:29 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.145817.15913@seq.uncwil.edu> browntf@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd f) writes:
>smorris@esdmfg44.Sgi.COM (Steve Morris) writes:
>
>>A while back there was some talk about 
>>'dream goggles' that sense REM sleep
>>and start flashing little lights to 
>>help you realize you are dreaming.
>
>You are referring to LaBerge's "Dreamlight" lucid dream induction
>device.  I own one.  An excellent device but a littly pricey for
>about $1000.

Does anyone know if a ordinary pair of goggles would work just as well
as long as the user thinks that they will sense REM sleep and start
flashing lights.  Has LaBerge tried some such controlled experiment?

Dan Ketcham
Standard Discalmer.
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: browntf@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd f)
Subject: Re: LUCID DREAMING !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ???
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:58:17 GMT

smorris@esdmfg44.Sgi.COM (Steve Morris) writes:

>Anybody out there into this?  I've read some
>things about lucid dreaming (awake in your dreams)
>but haven't mastered the techniques yet.

Lucid dreaming is my favorite activity...  It's really not hard
once you know how.

I recommend that you try the MILD Technique as described in 
Dr Stephen LaBerge's latest book _Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming_
also check out his former book _Lucid Dreaming_.


>A while back there was some talk about 
>'dream goggles' that sense REM sleep
>and start flashing little lights to 
>help you realize you are dreaming.

>Does anybody in netland use these, or
>know where I can get a pair?

You are referring to LaBerge's "Dreamlight" lucid dream induction
device.  I own one.  An excellent device but a littly pricey for
about $1000.

Write the Lucidity Institute for more information.  Tell them
I sent ya!

Lucidity Institute
PO Box 2364
Stanford Ca 94309


>Please post responses as my email is not 
>quite setup yet.  Thanks,
>			Steve M.

Michael Shea
browntf@seq.uncwil.eduu


Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Subject: Re: Books on NLP
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:34:21 GMT

And let's not forget the monthly periodical, _Anchor Point_:

	Cahill Mountain Press
	6671 Hillside Way
	Parker, CO  80134

	$37/yr US, add $10 for Canada, $20 other countries.
	Single issue $5 in US, $7 others.

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Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Breeding, xt-dGR,)
Subject: Re: NLP
Reply-To: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:25:28 GMT

NLP = Neuro-Linguistic Programming, also sometimes called Neurolinguistics.

There is a recently established forum on Compuserve, actually part of the 
AIExpert forum, section 10, for messages and files.

Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: lever@voyager.corp.sgi.com (Karen Lever)
Subject: Free Classes in Tantric Meditation
Followup-To: poster
Originator: root@voyager.corp.sgi.com
Keywords: consciousness, meditation, Enlightenment
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:47:12 GMT

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Additional classes will be offered in the Bay Area this summer
and fall.  For information, please call 415-995-4721.

Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: NLP
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 28 JUL 92 10:24:33    


acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes...

>Where can I obtain more info on NLP besides Tony Robbins?  

There's a whole industry dedicated to NLP-related materials,
and a large number of books, tapes, and courses.

I've found two sources particularly helpful for NLP materials,
NLP Comprehensive for books, tapes, and particularly courses, and 
Metamorphous Press particularly for books and tapes.   Metamorphous
Press has the wider variety of published materials, NLP Comprehensive is more 
closely linked to the people who give the seminars and courses.

Some initial reference suggestions for a variety of approaches :

	Heart of the Mind, Andreas
	Influencing with Integrity, LaBorde
	Fine Tuning the Brain, LaBorde
	Solutions, Leslie Cameron Bandler
	Frogs into Princes, Bandler and Grinder
	The Emprint Method of Reproducing Competence, L.C. Bandler et. al.

    	Here's an address and phone for NLP Comprehensive.  
	This organization is run by Steve and Connirae Andreas.

    	NLP Comprehensive
    	2897 Valmont Rd.
    	Boulder, CO. 80301

    	(800) 233-1NLP

    	(303) 442-1102

I don't have the address for Metamorphous Press with me, I'll dig it up
and post it later it the week, if no one beats me to it.

						kind regards,

						todd
From: smorris@esdmfg44.Sgi.COM (Steve Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: LUCID DREAMING !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:16:48 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Anybody out there into this?  I've read some
things about lucid dreaming (awake in your dreams)
but haven't mastered the techniques yet.

A while back there was some talk about 
'dream goggles' that sense REM sleep
and start flashing little lights to 
help you realize you are dreaming.

Does anybody in netland use these, or
know where I can get a pair?

Please post responses as my email is not 
quite setup yet.  Thanks,
			Steve M.


Keywords: LUCID DREAMING
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: ramesh@veda (Ramesh Dodamani)
Subject: Books on NLP
Reply-To: ramesh@veda.cwru.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:57:56 GMT

Forwarded for a friend who doesn't have access to this group:


Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:45:38 -0700
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Apparently-To: ramesh@spectra.com

By Richard Bandler and John Grinder:

"Changing with Families" (with Virginia Satir), 1976
"Frogs into Princes: Neuro-linguistic Programming", 1979
"Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H. Erickson" 
  Volumes I and II, 1975 
"The Structure of Magic: a Book about Language and Therapy" 
  Volumes I and II, 1975
"Reframing: Neuro-linguistic Programming and the
 Transformation of Meaning", 1982
"Trance-formations: Neuro-linguistic Programming and the 
Structure of Hypnosis", 1981 

By other authors:

"Solutions" by Leslie Cameron-Bandler
"The Power of Business Rapport" by Michael Brooks
"A Quick Reference Guide to Using Early Recollections in 
Treating Personality Disorders" by Michael Meier


NLP Comprehensive, 2897 Valmont Rd, Boulder CO 80301, (303 
442-1102, 800  233-1657) offers a selection of NLP books, 
audiotapes, and videotapes.  Connirae and Steve Andreas, 
founders of NLP Comprehensive, edited several of the 
Bandler/Grinder books and have written several more.  Their 
catalog is an outstanding resource in itself and is an 
informal way to get acquainted with the versatility of NLP 
techniques.  


Kawika 



Xref: sparky alt.birthright:134 alt.abortion.inequity:2707 talk.abortion:29388
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:16:16 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <nancyo.712310146@sfu.ca> nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:
>ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) writes:
>
>>If Mr. Chaney is inquiring why supporting abortion is consistent with
>>saving with a desire to save various animals species and/or ecosystems,
>>then the answer is simple.  Human population destroys animal habitats. 
>>Abortion reduces human population growth.  An environmentalists that
>>does favor abortion rights is simply not very smart. 
>
>I would suggest that the connection between the pro-choice
>position and the concern for the quality of life in general
>is that such views are rights-oriented, and preoccupied with
>the rights of the individual to a happy and prosperous
>existence.

I will now translate O'Connor's words: 

In order to ensure my happy and prosperous existence, I must kill
_you_ in order to achieve it. Hence, I you no longer legally exist.  

Thanks for clarifying things. 


===============================================================================
Question: If you don't have truck bombs and thousands of fanatics to
	  sacrifice their lives and drive them, how do you scare a 
	  nation into giving in to your demands?

Answer:   Buy coat hangers and encourage women to kill themselves
	  with them and call yourself "pro-choice".
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Xref: sparky alt.birthright:123 talk.abortion:29228
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Pro-choicers: It's okay to run e-mail on USENET (was Re: More 'thoughts' for discussion...)
Keywords: More punishment?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:31:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes ...
> wilhited@brahms.udel.edu (Douglas Ben Wilhite) writes:
>>Good God, What in Hell are you?
>
>Just call me the BOSS, AKA Steve "General Havoc" Chaney - just
>anything that signifies inflicting a lot of damage. ]-) 

Kind of like fireworks.  It can be fun to light Chaney's fuse just
to watch him self-destruct with lots of noise and a flash.

-- 
Ray Fischer
rfischer@cs.stanford.edu
ray@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.birthright
From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:06:31 GMT

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>In article <nancyo.712374117@sfu.ca> nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:
>>
>>No.  To kill means to rob a person of her/his existence.  Since
>>a foetus is, until birth, a parasite of the mother (and not
>>a person unto itself), to abort is not to kill.  In some cases,
>>to abort is to steal, but that is another discussion.

>Oh, so they're not alive, then? 

Well, as someone else mentioned, we kill warts on our bodies, but
nobody would suggest that we need laws to protect warts.

My definition merely attempted to explain why killing as murder
is wrong--not because life has been ended, but because each
individual has the right to his/her own existence, and when
you end that existence, you take that right away from them.

>The last time I heard, anyone whose body is growing, had to be alive
>to grow. 

>The dictionary definition of killing is "deprive of life." 

>Just thought I'd take a cheap shot and trip you on that mistake. 

>>So, to ensure my happy and prosperous existence, I must have
>>the right to control my own reproduction.

>To ensure my happy and prosperous existence, I must have the right to
>control my own stomach, but if I get hungry, I can't kill someone in
>order to control it. 

Exactly--you would be robbing that someone of a basic right.  The
right to exist.

>Your point falls down when it comes to light that abortion is killing.

I disagree...  technically, yes, abortions terminate pregancies.
They end the process of mitosis in the developing foetuses.
They kill--but do not MURDER--what was once "alive".

>>Hope this clarifies things.

>Only that you have weaknesses.

Don't we all...

Newsgroups: alt.birthright,talk.abortion
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Subject: Re: Pro-choicers: It's okay to run e-mail on USENET (was Re: More 'thoughts' for discussion...)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:08:45 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Followup-To: talk.abortion

In article <1992Jul27.162016.26273@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
#In article <bklmhy_.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

[some included text deleted]
##
##You're such a blithering baboon.  How did you arrive at Ray speaking for
##everyone when he specifically states he is NOT speaking for anyone but
##himself?
#
#He sure isn't speaking for anyone intellegent. 
#Which means he's speaking loudly for you. 

Chaney, since you are the only person I have ever seen
use the word "intellegent," maybe you could tell me
what is means.  You've called yourself that, and now
you say that Gordon is not "intellegent", so I have a
feeling that it means "immature," but I'd like to see
your definition.

[text deleted]

#Wait, we pro-lifers don't make the mistake of uninvitedly posting
#people's e-mail. So far, only pro-choicers have done that.

No, Chaney, you have done it.  You are certainly not pro-choice.
I'm sure that someone archived the article, so you needn't deny 
it.  You didn't post threatening or obsecen mail, either, you
just chose a normal piece of mail from your victim.

[Dennis's schoolboy and racist fantasies deleted]

Susan
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