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From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena)
Subject: Re: F1 Multiple denied in Ottawa!! 
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.161046.19414@newstand.syr.edu> rahul@npac.syr.edu (Rahul Bhargava) writes:
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>[1] This is just to let you know that happy endings do not happen to
>everyone. I went to ottawa, Canada to obtain a F1 multiple entry. I was
>denied on the grounds that the consulate does not have the means to verify
>strong ties with my country of origin. So, I was advised by the visa
>officer to go back and try in the US consulate there.
>
I was denied in Quebec for the same reason.

>[2] My question to the wise guys is that I switched my status from an H1 to
>F1 (Yes indeed!), could I face problems in getting visa from my home
>country? I am right now registered in the Master's program here with
>another year to go. My finances are ok vis-a-vis the RAship I hold.
>If anyone has been in a similar predicament, I would like to share their
>experiences.
>
INS' logic doesn't make any sense to me. We are already in the US and can
re-enter the US from Canada without a visa. There is no way they (wherever
you apply for a visa) can verify strong ties to your home country. They
had to read your mind! This is a hassle. What should we do if we want
to travel to a third country (for a conference, for example)?

>Thanks.
>-- 
>                                   Rahul Bhargava      
>                     (315) 443-4889 office. (315) 475-3545 home.
>                 rahul@joker.npac.syr.edu / rbhargav@rodan.acs.syr.edu


Nestor
>                      


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From: mir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Atif S. Mir)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: H-1 info
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:13:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


Hello,

	Currently I am applying for a change of status from an F1 to an H1B1
category.  I talked to a few people in the past who have done this and all
of them said that they got a certification from Dept. of Labor and then they
applied to INS using form I129.  There was no mention of any I539 form. 

	Recently, when I talked to someone at immigration, I was asked to
submit I539 alongwith I129.  Now they had a clear definition in their terms
why I need it but I still don't get it why nobody ever mentioned it on the net.
This application form supposedly transfers your status without you requiring to
go outside of USA (such as Mexico).  Is there a catch here or am I completely 
missing the point?

								Atif Mir

ps: I will be posting the replies as well as some archives of FAQ's that
I have accumulated.
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From: am299bv@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Request for FAQ (I don't think they exist yet)
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Organization: University of California, San Diego
In-reply-to: ravin@boi.hp.com's message of Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:50:48 GMT

This is a fairly new newsgroup and I don't think anyone has bothered
to make the FAQ posting yet.

In general, if any usenet newsgroup has a Frequently Asked Questions
posting, it should be available by anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in
the directory pub/usenet/newsgroup_name.  So if it existed for
alt.visa.us, you would have found it in pub/usenet/alt.visa.us.

The name of the site should be easy to remember.  As most netters
know, rtfm stands for Read The Fine Manual (except that F doesn't
really stand for Fine).

Ravi

Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Married/employer sponsorship/temp work visa HELP!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:41:08 GMT

grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo) writes:

>wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:
>: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo) writes:
>: Had it occurred to you that we might be getting married for love, not a
>: green-card? That it is something we're choosing to do?
>  Well, if she is there already and loving is one thing, but when I hear
>  "to go to USA and work and get married" it all sounds like a dream to
>  follow. Then it is always what THEY think, ah! there is always a nagging
>  doubt lurking in the back of the brain...

I think my original post said get married/live/work in that order, I
meant it to be significant (the order) but that detail isn't
important!

>: [Also, my fiancee is 33 and probably objects to being called a 'girl'.
>:  I'm a little more sanguine about the word 'girl', myself.]
>   So this is different, it is not go-and-chase. 

Well, there's a little chasing!

>: >  (no more work permits!). Easy huh? no attitudes, because here the females
>: >  tend to think the same way (but not as much as in USA)
>: Perhaps you are meeting the wrong 'girls'?
>   perhaps I did, but at the time I only needed a female friend, not 
>   necessarily a girlfriend. Anyway, now I am on the other side of the ocean,
>   and guess what I have no Dutch girlfriend for similar reasons, so I DO
>   have a foreign one.

Cool!

>      Interesting debate, thanks for expressing your oppinions, I was fearing
>      this was like talking to the wall :)

Nah! :-)

BTW all, I'll post a summary of the K-1 just as soon as I get the info.

Glenn

Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Well the escape plan is under way... Seattle
RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | is the destination. I have food, maps, clothing,
Work: --- Classified --- | and a compass. The X Committee has approved it,
      (to be announced)  | all I have to do is scale the compound wall.
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: HCHAN@YALEVM (Huey Chan)
Subject: I140 and more
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:07:24 GMT

I understand that after being certified by the Department of Labor, the
Labor Certificate is then filed with I-140 with INS.  What exactly is
I-140? What is its purpose?  If the petition (I-140) is approved by INS,
what's the next step in the process of the application of US permanent
residency?

Thanks,
HC
From: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: procedure from F1 to H1
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:04:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hi, everyone,
I borrow this account from my friend John to ask a question
concerning the transition from F1 to H1.

I graduated last May (1992) with a M.Sc. and found a job in South 
San Francisco in October. 
Right now, I have been working for more than one month, but my employer
has not done anything regarding my visa status. I have not been asked
to fill or send any forms to INS. I dont know if my employ did any 
paper work with INS for me concerning my visa.

I had an F1 visa
before and entered the pratical training after I graduated.

So, I want to know what I should do next, what is the procedure
for me to change to H1 visa?

I am also not sure if it is OK for me to get employed before changing
to H1.

Also what is the difference between H1 and H1B1. Is H1 better?

I know there are many experts on this net who are familiar with
procedure of changing F1 to H1. Please give me some advice and 
suggestion. I am worried about my situation.

Thanks in advance.

Grace Shea
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: satish@kumar.b30.ingr.com (Satish Ramaswamy)
Subject: Re: Multiple Entry H-1B Visa
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:24:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.220007.1607@serval.net.wsu.edu>, rdubey@yoda.wsu.edu (Rakesh Dubey - grad student) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Can I goto Mexico and get multiple entry H-1 visa before I file for I-140?
|> Is it possible that I will be denied a mulitiple entry visa because I have 
|> applied for labor cerification and therefore declared my intent to immigrate?


I know quite a few people who went to India after getting their Labor
certification. They got their multiple entry H1 in India. According to
them, if you have the proper documentation (h1 approval form, letter 
from your employer saying that you are currently employed, and some 
other docs), you should NOT have any problem getting your multiple entry 
H1 from a consulate in your country. I have heard cases where people were 
denied  h1 visas in Mexico and were asked to go to their country to get 
their multiple h1 visa. 

If I am not mistaken the intent to immigrate is allowed by the new law which
came into force on oct,1991. Please correct me if I am wrong.

|> Can there be any problems in coming back to US if I travel abroad after labor
|> certificatron? My impression is that I can not travel abroad after I have
|> applied to INS for a green card.

I do not know of any problem after labor  and before applying for
greencard interview. What i heard was that the process is cumbersome if
you want to travel after applying for your greencard interview. 
But still, you will be able to travel.


|> Rakesh Dubey
|> rdubey@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

hope it helps,

cheers
satish
From: arvind@smiles.mti.sgi.com (Arvind Bomdica)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Work permit for H4
Keywords: H4 visa
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:26:59 GMT
Reply-To: arvind@mti.sgi.com
Organization: Mips Technologies Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smiles.mti.sgi.com


Hi,

Does INS give temporary work permit for spouses with H4 visa ?
If so under what conditions do they approve such a thing ? 

I would appreciate if somebody can answer my questions.

Thanks,

Arvind.

email address : arvind@mti.sgi.com
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Married/employer sponsorship/temp work visa HELP!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:36:25 GMT

grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo) writes:

>wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:
>: I was in the US in July on a 5 year multiple entry tourist visa (B1?).
>: Now I want to return to get married/live/work.
>: What are my options?

>  The first thing american girls think is "he wants to marry me/be my boyfr.
>  to get the green card and then dump me..." and that thought lives in their
>  minds almost forever. They like to put this right into your face, so for

Emilio, thanks for your opinion, BUT

Had it occurred to you that we might be getting married for love, not a
green-card? That it is something we're choosing to do?

[Also, my fiancee is 33 and probably objects to being called a 'girl'.
 I'm a little more sanguine about the word 'girl', myself.]

>  (no more work permits!). Easy huh? no attitudes, because here the females
>  tend to think the same way (but not as much as in USA)

Perhaps you are meeting the wrong 'girls'?

>   Get your employer to do it, it will take some time but will be faster
>   more likely and you will be in better position and feel better about
>   yourself. Some people are money hungry!

Owww! You *are* meeting the wrong 'girls'.

Again, thanks for your story.

Glenn

Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Well the escape plan is under way... Seattle
RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | is the destination. I have food, maps, clothing,
Work: --- Classified --- | and a compass. The X Committee has approved it,
      (to be announced)  | all I have to do is scale the compound wall.
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: satish@kumar.b30.ingr.com (Satish Ramaswamy)
Subject: Re: I140 and more
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:03 GMT

In article <BxxM3H.2Mn@nic.umass.edu>, joshee@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jeetendra R. Joshee) writes:
|> I-140 is the petition for prospective immigrant employee, that is you. 
|> Normally your employer files this petition with the approved labor
|> certificate. INS reviews your application and mainly checks if a visa
|> number is available for you or not. When you receive 140 approval
|> notification that means a permanent visa is available for you (which is
|> the green card number). Then you file the I-495. At that time you get
|> the appointment for your green card interview.


I think you have to wait for the priority date to become current 
to file for I-495(for interview)  after the I140 petition approval. 

satish
From: shajid@phenyl.phr.utexas.edu (Shajid A. Mohammed)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Request for FAQ
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:30:22 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas - College of EngineeringIn article <BxoCop.D9x@mail.boi.hp.com>, ravin@boi.hp.com (Ravin Chauhan) writes:

>Hello,
>
>Is there a FAQ for this group?
>
>If so, could someone please mail it to me.
>
>Thanks
>
>Ravin

Could you please mail it to me, too?

Thanks

Shajid  

Subject: Re: Request for FAQ
Keywords: 


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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: PR Applicant on Family Based 2A wants to go homeland for a visit
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:15:02 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <Nov.13.14.17.56.1992.19389@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junqing@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lisa) writes:
>Hi, there,
>
>I have applied for Permeanent Residency after I got married with a PR in 
>August and is now on the waiting list. But I want to go home for a short 
>visit to my father and mother. I am a student with F-1 visa now. Is there 
>any chance that I will not be admitted by the custom or couldn't get the 
>same visa to come back and continued study because now I am clearly intending 
>to immigrent? Any suggestions on how I can do to visit my parents during the 
>waiting period for PR  for about one month and come back to continue the 
>study on time?
> 
>Thank you very much in advance. 


I'm afraid that as far as the rules go, you cannot get an F-1 visa after
you applied for permanent residency. The only way that I know of to 
visit your country is to get advance parole from the INS. You can
get advance parole if you you are in the process of applying for the
green card, and if you need to go out of the US for some family emergency
or for some important business. Even if you can document one of these
two cases above, the INS officer can still refuse advance parole
on his own discretion. You can call your local INS number and listen
to their message explaining this, and order the necessary forms.
I believe that an immigration lawyer might be helpful here.

Michal
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rdubey@yoda.wsu.edu (Rakesh Dubey - grad student)
Subject: Multiple Entry H-1B Visa
Originator: rdubey@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:00:07 GMT


Hello all,

I recently changed from F-1 to H-1 visa. I am also in the process
for labor certification for my green card . Currently it looks 
like it will be more than a year and half before I get my green card. 
Meanwhile I want to visit India sometime soon.

Can I goto Mexico and get multiple entry H-1 visa before I file for I-140?
Is it possible that I will be denied a mulitiple entry visa because I have 
applied for labor cerification and therefore declared my intent to immigrate?

Can there be any problems in coming back to US if I travel abroad after labor
certificatron? My impression is that I can not travel abroad after I have
applied to INS for a green card.

I would appreciate your suggestion and please correct me if I am missing 
something. Thanks.


-Rakesh



-- 
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rdubey@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Entry from Canada -- was F1 Multiple denied in Ottawa!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:08:05 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <MARBY.92Nov20160342@laura.harvard.edu> marby@laura.harvard.edu (Craig Marby) writes:
>>>>>> On 20 Nov 92 15:08:50 GMT, nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena) said:
>>> Nntp-Posting-Host: isl1.ri.cmu.edu
>
>>> In article <1992Nov18.161046.19414@newstand.syr.edu> rahul@npac.syr.edu (Rahul Bhargava) writes:
>>
>>> INS' logic doesn't make any sense to me. We are already in the US and can
>>> re-enter the US from Canada without a visa. There is no way they (wherever
>>> you apply for a visa) can verify strong ties to your home country. They
>>> had to read your mind! This is a hassle. What should we do if we want
>>> to travel to a third country (for a conference, for example)?
>
>humans. So eventually I got a visa -- which in theory I didn't need.
>Anyway this saved me $70 for my troubles as I no longer had to renew
>my IAP-66.  The MEGA-HASTLE was not worth it. My opinion of the US has
    ^^^^^^^^
You have a J1, not a F1, so you cannot stay in the US after your PT.
This verifies your ties to your home country (or a 3rd country)
Somebody on a F1 cannot argue following this logic.

Nestor
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Re: procedure from F1 to H1
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:20:57 GMT

jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
: I graduated last May (1992) with a M.Sc. and found a job in South 
: San Francisco in October. 
: Right now, I have been working for more than one month, but my employer
: has not done anything regarding my visa status. I have not been asked
: to fill or send any forms to INS. I dont know if my employ did any 
: paper work with INS for me concerning my visa.
: 
: I had an F1 visa
: before and entered the pratical training after I graduated.
: 
     Well, as it is now you are on a Practical Training and lasts no more than
     a year. No need for change of visa. 

: So, I want to know what I should do next, what is the procedure
: for me to change to H1 visa?
: 
     If you are interested in *more* than just the PT period you are allowed to,
     you should get an H1 visa, a.k.a. Work visa. For that your employer MUST
     apply for you and demonstrate that they have a job offer for you and that
     they have done everything they can to fill the position with a national
     (US citizen) that usually means they should prove immigration authorities
     that they placed advertisements for the position in the newspapers etc.
     So for H1 you need a job offer, and support from your employer in getting
     the paperwork running (oh...those lawyers...). Once you get your H1 you
     can try to get your permanent residence if you want.
              Good Luck, (we were all worried once...) Emilio
: 
: Grace Shea

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From: vasanth@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Vasanth Shreesha)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: F1 post-practical trg
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:15:12 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

One of my friend's I-20 expired in June and only recently has applied for
a reinstatement. He wishes to graduate in Dec and go on a practical trg. 
The International Student Advisor refuses to recommend the student for 
Practical trg as he doen't have a valid I-20 although the student has 
submitted an application for reinstatement and also will be completing his
degree only in Dec. Does that mean he has to wait until he gets the reintatement from the INS ? Could anyone advice him by replying to my email address;
Thanx
Vasanth
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From: gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Help about proving Perm. Res.
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:38:36 GMT
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, California


   Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:26:30 GMT
   From: yil@engr.ucf.edu (Yilmaz Cengeloglu)

   Currently, I have a job offer and they require permenant residency.
   They call me and ask copy of my green card which I did not have
   yet. But I have PR visa number and work permit which stamped to the
   I-94 form.

   I do not have any kind of official paper that clearly state I am in
   process of getting green card. But I have to prove the company my
   immigration status.

I used to do the I-9 checking for my company, and my short answer is:
don't worry.

First, unless you have a special kind of military job, which an any
case usually requires US citizenship, they really want proof of right
to work, and don't want to pay your green card fees (or have you
suddenly leave).  If you have the right to work and are just waiting
for your green card, then it shouldn't be a problem.

You should have in your passport a form (I forget the #) stamped in
with the number written in.  That's for all intents and purposes a
green card.

But I don't think that you usually get one of those nutil you have had
your interview, and if you haven't had your interview yet, you may not
actually have one if you haven't had your interview yet.

Also, the folks who check I9's are just some poor person at your
company who has been forced by the government to check them, not
someone who is necessarily well versed in Immigration law.  So if it
doesn't say "permanent resident" on your I-94 they may not be willing
to take it without some calling around.  
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: gideony@microsoft.com (Gideon Yuval)
Subject: Re: Lost Green-Card
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:27:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

Call the INS. It will take at least 1 year to replace.
-- 
Gideon Yuval, gideony@microsoft.com, 206-882-8080 (fax:-883-8101;TWX:160520)
From: giroti@sw.stratus.com (Sudhir Giroti)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Typo-Error in GC
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:38:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: katie.sw.stratus.com

What does one have to do if the new GC they receive has a *typo-error...
(DOB day not correct) ?

-- 
Sudhir Giroti
giroti@katie.sw.stratus.com 
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rahul@npac.syr.edu (Rahul Bhargava)
Subject: F1 Multiple denied in Ottawa!! 
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:10:46 EST


Hi Guys,

[1] This is just to let you know that happy endings do not happen to
everyone. I went to ottawa, Canada to obtain a F1 multiple entry. I was
denied on the grounds that the consulate does not have the means to verify
strong ties with my country of origin. So, I was advised by the visa
officer to go back and try in the US consulate there.

[2] My question to the wise guys is that I switched my status from an H1 to
F1 (Yes indeed!), could I face problems in getting visa from my home
country? I am right now registered in the Master's program here with
another year to go. My finances are ok vis-a-vis the RAship I hold.
If anyone has been in a similar predicament, I would like to share their
experiences.

Thanks.
-- 
                                   Rahul Bhargava      
                     (315) 443-4889 office. (315) 475-3545 home.
                 rahul@joker.npac.syr.edu / rbhargav@rodan.acs.syr.edu
                      
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