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From: btkuo@ratt.rutgers.edu (    Bernie)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Barrel Length, Rifling, and such.
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:51:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


You also forgot to mention with the PMI/Sheridan guns they have brass
barrels, which are supposedly more accurate...


Bernie
btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu
btkuo@mtlbrai.rent.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 21:30:51 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: PB STUFF FINALLY IN SWEDEN !!!

UH....yeah.

but can't you buy hash there?
keep in mind...I don't condone this sort of thing on the field, but
AFTERWARDS.........

BOB BURNS  (his opinions are his own)  capt. "Jamaican Bob and the Sled Team"
Large, visionary individual.

transcribed by
Dave McCarty  ... you all know my sig.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 09:48:00 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: AutoCocker
 <Apr.12.22.47.48.1992.24717@remus.rutgers.edu>

I used an auto-cocker for about half a day on march 29th...

I was _impressed_.

first my opinions-

negative points:
- heavy than a .68 specialwith gland problems. (1/2 days use _hurt_)
- chows CO2 (20 oz tank pretty necessary, which adds to the weight problem)
- slowest rate of fire of any semi I have seen


positive points:
- this gun has _range_, I mean like artillery range!
- it is accurate as hell (7/10 shots hitting w/in a 3' radius @ 60-80 yards)
- smooth action (I would expect ball breaks in this gun to be near zero)
- easy to clean quickly

my experiences-

The best example of the guns performance was in a particular game known as
the "mess hall" game.  6 people defend a building with only 4 entrances against
about 20 people attacking.  I was defending.  The building is essentially one
open room with a door in each wall and solid, open windows running the length
of each wall.  There are 3 half-walls sticking into the room and two closets.
This means there is very little cover inside the building, just really the
outside walls.

at the start of the game, the opposing team started walking up the cover they
were going to fire from.  at about 70 yards I opened up.  I got three kills
in about 10 seconds (I will admit the chances of this happening with my
Illustrator are quite low to say the least).  after the opposing team reached
their cover, the easy kills stopped.  anyway, there was a whole bunch of fire
and a whole lot of trouble.   3 of the defenders got waxed  one guy who
got to our building un-noticed.  a fourth was killed by a long distance luck
shot, and a fifth died to a gun problem (his bolt jammed and he was unable
to fire.

I am now the only one left.  There are two attackers _inside_ the building
at the far end hiding behind the same half-wall.  beyond them is another
just outside the building firing through a window.the fourth and fifth are
in the doorway exactly opposite them.  I have a half-wall between myself and
each group.  I kept the five attackers pinned down for 5 minutes (going through
about 500 rounds of paint, I don'tknow _how_ they didn't hear me reloading).
I was able to sustain a rate of fire that kept _them_ pinned down without
any significant problems.  If there was any time the gun was going to fail,
this torture test would have done it.  The time limit expired with me getting
two more of the attackers (giving me 9 kills for the game) and having 4 rounds
of paint left.

Any gun that can let me accomplish that wins in my book.

I guess the slow rate of fire was a good thing there, had it been my
Illustrator, I would have run out of paint before the game ended and died.

Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
From: toblackstock@apollo
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: rifled barrels
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: toblackstock@apollo
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC

Someone mentioned something about needing water to clean the paint out
of a rifled barrel.  That is a bad idea.  Use alcohol instead, as it
cleans just as well and evaporates quickly, leaving behind no residew 
or droplets to interfere with your shooting.  

About the Sniper II,  I have a teammate who uses it with a rifled barrel
and an auto trigger.  The gun is very accurate, even though he bought 
it used.  He mentioned something about its simplicity as well, which is
always a plus when getting ready to clean.

Towner Blackstock
From: malloy@crash.cts.com (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Light Sight 800
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:50:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr08.015037.19346
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <wb9omc.702579862@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>Cons, so far - I have my doubts that one of these units will survive
>a direct hit from a paintball.  I am crocking up a thick plexiglass
>device to protect the sides of mine until my machinist friend figures
>out how he will machine one out of hard aluminum.  The point sight 
>is plastic, mostly two pieces and those are held together by the
>two screws that do windage and elevation adjustments.  

The Daisy Point Sight on my gun took a direct hit in the lens -- the
semireflective disk you look through that the sight circle is reflected
onto -- and aside from having a moderate bit of annoyance getting paint out
of the groove where the lens meets the holder, it gave me no trouble
whatsoever; didn't even get out of alignment.

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From: mkb2@po.cwru.edu
Subject: getting games together
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:44:16 GMT

Anyone in the Cleveland area out there who is interested in playing?
Let me know.
From: btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Smoking Guns
Keywords: Gas Clouds
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:51:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



	I'm not sure what causes it, but it has happened a lot to me
also, (I have an Illustrator).  Makes very difficult aiming.  When I
played this weekend, one guy was using a smart-parts barrel (hi
bruce!), the rifled barrel (with all the holes) and that seemed to
dissipate the smoke more (I guess due to more holes).  But as to why
it happens, I'd appreciate any comments on that also.

- Bernie
btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu

	P.S.  To all, the 2nd shipment of Armson barrels are in the US
	    and finally cleared through customs!!!!  Hopefully I'll be
	    getting one in about 2 weeks.  
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From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25873-leary)
Subject: Barrel Test
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:58:55 GMT


I have been using a VM-68 for about 8 months now and have been very pleased
with the performance of the gun.  I got the gun with a Smartparts barrel and
rear tank setup. I subsequently purchased an Armson barrel for the gun but
have not seen a SIGNIFICANT difference between the performance of the two 
barrels.  Sometimes the Armson seems to shoot better and sometimes the SP
seems to shoot better.  This weekend we were playing in very humid, rainy,
cool weather, and the SP barrel seemed to handle the heavy air a little
better.  There was certainly less of of cloud with each shot.  So, I called
Smartparts and asked them about their new barrel.  The new one has a special
coating for the unrifled portion of the barrel that is supposed to make it
extremely "slippery".  The barrel then opens up to a slightly wider
diameter for the rest of the barrel.  Bottom line, they are going to loan me
a new barrel to run a comparison test against other barrels I have.  I think
it would be great to have some "objective" input on barrels rather than the
usual emotional hype I`ve seen so far.  I paln on comparing a stock (honed)
Sheridan barrel, a stock (honed) sheridan barrel with a taso muzzle break,
an original Smartparts barrel, an Armson barrel, and the new Smartparts
barrel.  I've also enlisted the aid of some other players I know who have
no emotional attachment to any particular barrel to participate in the test
in order to be as objective as possible.   I don't expect to have the barrel 
and the testing done for a couple of weeks.  I'll post the findings when
we're done.

On another front, my group used a case of RP Scher premium paintballs this
weekend.  As I said, weather conditions were less than perfect, but here is
the big difference.......the premium balls are thicker (harder) and don't
break as easily.  This has a good point and a bad point.  The good point is 
that opponents who could normally hide behind brush and expect and balls to
shatter before they were hit were suprised.  The premiums generally had a 
much higher penetration rate than regular balls, hence more kills for our
side.  The bad side of this is that on long shots. they failed to break
more often than regular paint resulting in hits that weren't kills.
We had NO problem with ball breaks in the guns (which we never had anyways
since four of us were using VM-68's (is that an emotional statement)  One
player on our side using an illustrator had a number of breaks but I
suspect he was having problems with his gun anyway.  Bottom line, I would
use them again if the price differential doesn't get too big.  It certainly
added a level of intimidation to our side.(Right Bernie!!)


Bruce
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bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: J&J internally rifled brass barrel
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:31:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Apr13.163139.2332


  I just got a J&J brass barrel with a built in muzzle break and internal
rifling.  I expected the rifling to form a spiral pattern similar to a firearm. 
What I got was four diametrically opposed straight groves running the length of
the barrel.  I thought the whole point of rifling was to place a controled spin
on the ball.  This pattern would seem to keep the ball from spinning (I'm
guessing here) and result in a knuckle ball!  Unless I'm wrong, this is a bad
thing.  The only thing I can think of is that there is something special about
this pattern that I don't know about or that the spiral is so slight that I
can't measure it.  I've seen a picture of the internals of the Armson rifled
barrel and the spiral pattern is obvious.  Does anyone out there know why the
J&J barrel used straight rifling?  Maybe no spin is better that an uncontroled
one!  I did a field test with the above 14" barrel, a 14" brass barrel that
I externally rifled myself (using a hand drill and flex hone) and the stock 9"
aluminum barrel that came with my Illustrator.  The only difference I found was
that the externally rifled barrel was by far the quietest.  No other
distinctive advantages for any of the three barrels tested.  The balls I used
were in poor shape so I will retest with new balls and post the result if
anyone shows interest.

Walt Edwards   
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From: jonathan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Forst Zimmitti)
Subject: FOR SALE: Razorback III
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:00:48 GMT

Hello, I'm selling a Razorback III.  Here are some of the stats.
	-Less than 1 Month old.  Mint Condition.
	-Only used three times (about three CO2 refills)
	-Teflon Impregnated Hard Coat Armored Finish
	-Maxi-Loader XL (Holds 200 Paintballs)
	-14" Low Friction Barrell
	-Adjustable Velocity
	-Constant Air System
	-Double-rail, bind free pump
	-Easy Cleaning and Field Stripping

Please contact me if interested or would like more info.  I'm not sure on the
price so I'm open to offers.

My address is  jonathan@wpi.wpi.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:38:30 EDT
From: <MXC132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Smoking Guns

In reference to your "'smoking' guns,"IIthink the "smoke," which is actually
vapor, is caused by atmospheric conditions.  Take a glass of cold water on a
humid day; water vapor from the surrounding air is condensed on the glasses
surface forming beads of water.  The same thing may happen when firing your
paintgun on a humid day; the extremely cold CO2 rushing from the barrel
instantly condenses water vapor in the air forming the cloud.  Another thing
to consider is the fact that as a paintgun is fired rapidly theCO2 flowing
rapidly from the tank cools it drastically.  Therefore, as the tankgets
colder the CO2 becomes less likely to vaporize completely and forms the
cloud at the muzzle.  One way to prevent this would obviously be to keep the
tankwarm by holding the tank under the armpit, making sure it's black, or
the like.One thing to watch for is that you don't overheat the tank at worst
causing it to rupture and at least that it doesn't fire faster than field
regulations.  You may ask why not just wrap it up in something (insulate
it)?  Think of a cold soda can and one of those spong-like insulator wraps
for it.  The can stays cold because the wrap keeps the cold in and the heat
out.  So, if you wrap the tank up without an internal heating source it
would perform even worse.  The only other thing that I can think of that may
help would be a muzzle break or silencer.  The muzzle break might allow the
CO2 to dissipate more slowly, causing at least a smaller cloud.  The
silencer again might allow the CO2 to dissipate more slowly and/or absorb
some of the vapor.  Before buying a silencer, however, check your local laws
concerning their legality.  I've heard that they're illegal even for paintguns
in certain areas.
    I hope that this is of some help.  Let us know how things turn out.
areas.
linedel                           Mike
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: alejanrd@adrienne.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro)
Subject: Smoking Guns
Keywords: Gas Clouds
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:15:57 GMT

I have another question for owners of semi's.

In cold and/or humid climates my brother's .68 special creates a serious cloud of
smoke, obscuring his vision and making a really big target.

Is there anyway to stop or reduce the problem?

Ray
From: btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball and alcohol!
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:56:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Stupid mixing alcohol and paintball.  All it takes is one drunken
idiot to fire his gun in the staging area where people aren't wearing
their goggles.  Also, anything that will kill your reaction time is a
big negative in paintball...

Bernie
btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu
From: wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Thunder bolt 5 n' 1   ?????
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:05:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>     say you had enough money to be somewhat 'choosey' about what gun you
>     would buy.  What would that gun be and why?  What options would you
>     prefer? 

WHAT:
F-1 Illustrator with an 11" brass barrel, foregrip, 7 oz bottle. Don't get
a viewloader!!! Use Indian Springs or USI loaders. The guy that makes 
viewloaders is an asshole and doesn't deserve your money. If you want, stick
one of those TASO Nice-Butt thingy's on the bottle. It has no function, but
it looks kinda neet. Also stick a lighted Daisy point sight on it.

WHY:
The Illustrator is extremely light and pointable. It's gas efficient. It
never breaks balls. It requires almost no maintenance and will work at almost
any temperature with minor adjustments. If you think you'll use the sight,
get it. If you won't use it and have lots of cash hanging around, get it
anyway cause it looks kinda neet(like the TASO bottle cover). If your barrel
doesn't have a muzzle brake built in, get one for it. They do make a difference
I guess that since we have ample funds here we should use the armson rifled
barrel, since that has the muzzle brake built in and is supposed to be 
accurate. The Illustrator is hands down the best semi-auto that exists.
(biased opinion alert!)


>     Also , anyone out there have a thunderbolt 5 n' 1?  I'm thinking of
>     getting one.  Any opinions????

Ugh. It's too ugly and too heavy. Anything that uses a PMI-3/VM-68 as its
base is not worth lugging onto the field. You almost need a tripod for it.

>     Also ,   What brand of paint do you prefer?
>     How much does a case go for on average?

I use either RPScherer or California Magnums. Case price is around $110 to
$120, but can be had for cheaper if you know where to look.

Wes Gilpin
WWG2101@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
From: d1leaf@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik L|fgren)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: PB STUFF FINALLY IN SWEDEN !!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:18:35 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

PB stuff can finally be bought in Gothenburg SWEDEN.
A store named TRADITION located in the NORDSTAN mall 
are gonna sell all kinds of stuff starting next week.

Priceex:	

Bushmaster	3695 skr ($626)
Crossman 3357   1169 skr ($198)
Piranha Rifle	2699 skr ($457)
Sniper II	4995 skr ($847)
Trracer   QC    1395 skr ($236)

A *LITTLE* bit higher prices than the US.   :-)

And finally the goggles price:

JT Snappers	575 skr ($97)
Thermal Snap..  949 skr ($161)     <-- Unbeliveable !!!!!!!

Ammo and CO2:

Ammo 	1.20 skr ($.20)
CO2	7.50 skr ($1.30)

That's it !!

I envy you american who can buy a Piranha LB at $210 !!!
Pricewise Sweden sucks !!!

/FRED


--
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: thomas@ssd.dl.nec.com (Kevin Thomas)
Subject: Tulsa 5-man Tournament
Followup-To: thomas@ssd.dl.nec.com
Summary: Did anybody in net.land go?
Keywords: net.paintballers unite!
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:28:32 GMT

I was simply wondering if any of you people out there
in net.land went to the 5-man tournament in Tulsa,
Oklahoma this past weekend?

I was there and will be at several more tournaments in
the next six months and thought it would be fun to me
a (or some) net.paintballer(s) like myself.

Any of you out there?

Thanks,
Kevin Thomas

Texas Black Diamonds
Home Field: Adventure Expeditions, Commerce, TX.

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Light Sight 800
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:39:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

 Just want everyone to understand that the lighted Daisy Point Sight, Aim point, Mirage, and other similiar red dot targeting systems do not actually PROJECT a
beam of laser light on the target itself.  The lighted Daisy point sight, aim-point reflect a red dot onto a viewing lens.  This shouldn't be confused with 
laser projection systems or hand-held light pointers which are dangerous and 
shouldn't be used in the game.
Laser projection systems and hand-held light pointers are capable of causing
retina damage.  A laser-sight mounted on a 12 gauge hunting shot-gun, the user 
is not concern if his target(deer, criminal, IRS agent) suffers eye damage in
light of killing the target.
	P-ball is a game and sport which we try to make as safe as possible.
A eye blinding laser or hand-held light pointer has no place in this sport.
(getting off the soapbox)


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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Paintball and alcohol!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:56:33 GMT

sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY) writes:

>About two weeks ago, a few friends and I discovered a new field, so we went to
>try it out.  The field was beautiful!!!  Twenty five acres of pure paintball
>paradise!!!!  Cover was thick yet you could move through it easily and quietly.
>As the day began, I noticed the field owner drinking a wine cooler, no problem
>I don't have a problem with people drinking.  But, he began to play after his
>fourth or fifth wine cooler.  About noon (we started about ten a.m.) he stands
>up on a log and announces that the field is going to buy beer for the players.
>I begin to pack up and the field owner comes over to me and says (this is a
>direct quote to the best that I can remember) "I hope you're not leaving
>because of the beer, we don't get drunk, we just drink it like soda pop."  Just
>as those words left his mouth, enough beer came down that each player
>(excluding my group) could have about ten (10) cans each.

>Now we get to the question:  I am curious to know how many people are against
>mixing alcohol and paintball, and how many do drink while they paintball.
>If memory serves me right, it is a direct violation of IPPA rules to drink
>alcoholic beverages while playing paintball...or am I wrong?  Please reply with
>a post to the board!
>-- 

	Geezus, I can't think of a stupider thing to do than to  drink
ANY alcohol BEFORE playing.  My feeling is that the fields would be
better off to allow NO alcohol on the field even after the game is
over.

	These days people are found legally responsible for what a guest
does AFTER they leave a place where alcohol is served.  SOOO, if the field
serves alcohol and sends people *driving* on their merry way, they
can be sued and found liable for that persons actions.

	Paintball would be better off to AVOID alcohol LIKE THE PLAGUE.

Duane

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