HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: She is the best... I love her...
Keywords: lick...
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.230821.26524@cis.ohio-state.edu>, angrish@zucchini.cis.ohio-state.edu (yogesh angrish) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.051439.20300@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
> >s1071526@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (cher stone) writes:
> >
> >> I feel that Madonna is a legend in her own time.
> >She is, at least, a legend in her own _mind_
> For her, I wouldn't even spare a dime.
> -- 
> Promises are like babies.....
> ........easy to make...tuff to deliver.
>                            - I don't know who!

______________________________________________________________________________

				THIS IS A FLAME
______________________________________________________________________________

 Dear

    [ ] asshole [ ] fag         [ ] ignorant snot       [ ] prick
    [ ] nerd    [ ] Elvis       [ ] lonely masturbator  [ ] computer geek
    [x] retard  [ ] sycophant   [ ] Samuel Stoddard

 You are being flamed because 

    [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread
    [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to
    [ ] you posted a "test"
    [ ] you used vi and left a whole bunch of editing garbage on the
        screen
    [ ] you posted a request for an article which was posted three times
        in the past week
    [ ] you claimed to have the original GGBJ
    [ ] you posted some sort of religious crap that doesn't belong in this
        group
    [ ] you mailed an article that was not funny, unoriginal and very
        boring
    [x] you started/continued a cascade that's stupid
    [ ] your mother dresses you funny
    [ ] you are wrong
	
 To recant, you must

    [ ] actually post a humorous article
    [ ] give up all your worldly possessions and become a Tibetan monk
    [x] hang yourself by the big toe for 72 hours
    [ ] abstain from sex for a month (shouldn't be too hard for you)
    [ ] shave your head, paint a target on it, and go to Iraq
    [ ] give your MP (Congressman in U.S.A., I guess) a donation of three
        hemp plants to decorate his office
    [ ] become politically correct and demand that manholes be renamed to
        peroffspringopenings
    [ ] cut your balls (or breasts, if you're a woman) off 
    [ ] _________________________________________________

Thank you for the time you have taken to read this, and please detest from
the offending behaviour that led to this flame.

_____________________________________________________________________________

				END FLAME
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Nov5.144026.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> <s1070619.721303352@giaeb>
	<1drlmqINN65v@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU>
	<1992Nov12.222424.170@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.222424.170@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.
@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) writes:

  >I should not comment negatively about Madonna at the risk of
  >becoming a "pathological woman hater" however I feel that some
  >perspective is neccesary.

  Actually your article is easily distinguishable from the pathological
stuff. One looks in vain for "I hate Madonna", "Madonna is a slut", and
so on.

  But isn't it overkill to drag in Beethoven, Verdi, and Wagner?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Is Madonna *Really* a lesso???
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:38:05 GMT


Hey... can anyone tell me. Is madonna really a lesso or bi? Or is it all
a marketing ploy to get the homosexual section of the community to buy her
goods?
    Is she such a good actor that she has you all fooled???
        *snigger*... good actor!!! (ha!)

     ***************************************************************************
    * Nathan Kroenert(YOGI).            * "Where the women are fast,"         *
   * Monash University Gippsland.      *   "And the BUNDYS Kick ass,"        *
  * s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au   *     "At the NUDI BAR!!!" -Al, M-W-C *
 * {[Errors In My Preaching Aren't A Sign Of Stupidity, Just Carelessness]}*
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: joe@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Joe Nappa)
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Organization: Design Computing Unit, The University of Sydney
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:08:09 GMT

In article <1d4oj1INNs90@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore) writes: 
  
|> This guy is even more of a moron than I first realized, as evidenced
|> by his terror of people who are "different".
|> 
 

|>  You are a pathetic person, and even though it's not a great movie, do the
|> human race (and especially women) a favor, and go see "The Accused".
|> It tries to remind idiots like you that women should have the freedom
|> to dress and act however they choose without desperate men claiming that 
|> that gives them liscence to rape 

OK, so you're sitting there, at that centre of great intellectual achievement
that is Yale University and you're pointing out the social relevance of a piece
of throw-away mass entertainment. Hollywood coke-heads, a force for social
progress? I think not.

Oh, and by the way, I object to you, or anyone else, using the net to heap
personal abuse on others (especially a fellow Aussie!!). If you can't argue
rationally and objectively you're definitely at the wrong institution.
-- 
Joe Nappa                  *Lisa: "These talking dinosaurs are more real than * 
joe@archsci.arch.su.edu.au *       most real families on TV"                  *
Dept. of Architec. Science *Bart: "It's like they saw our lives & put it right*
Uni. of Sydney, AUSTRALIA  *       up on screen"  (from Fox's "The Simpsons") *
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
XUserAgent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Organization: US West Marketing Resources
NntpPostingHost: greg_bradt.mrg.uswest.com
Date: 09 Nov 92 23:20:35 GMT

In article <s1070619.721303352@giaeb> YOGI *is* N.KROENERT,
s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>    Amen. If god had intended us to homosexual, he would have given
us all a
>    penis, and vagina each.

You don't give your God enough credit.  If He (or She) had intended us
all to be heterosexual...  then we WOULD be!!!
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:11:13 GMT


>I know what you are saying, but... Are all gay/lesbians who are comfortable >with
>themselves, and comfortable with others are more caring?  If a gay man, who is
>aggressive by nature,(it's in his genes) are accepted by society etc, will he 
>become more caring?   I believe if a person is caring by nature, he/she will
>be caring no matter whether he/she is a homosexual or a heterosexual.  

Interesting comment.  Did you read last months Scientific American special edition?  It was about the mind, and how the sexes differ mentally...

Gay men tend to fall in the female category (mentally), emotionally, and thought-process-wise (what a word!), gay women... as you would expect, tend
to lean toward the male side.  In other words, gay people bend in toward the
median lying between "strong males" and "strong females."  Aggression does
not necessarily DEPEND on how "strong" of a male or female you are... but as
far as GENETICS go... the influence is degraded for gay males.  Environmentally, however, what you state could hold true.  Someone who was raised in a very
competitive environment, and taught to be aggressive, would probably still
retain those qualities if they were gay (to some extent, since it was "learned").

But, please keep in mind that a person who has (had to have) gone through the
process of becoming comfortable with his/her differences (compared to the societal "norm") would most likely understand and be completely accepting of other people who are different from him/herself.  Don't you agree?

So, in a nutshell, I both agree and disagree with you...

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: hrdoucet@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Heloise Doucet)
Subject: Re: morons.
Organization: Computer Graphics Lab [CGL], University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:01:53 GMT

>
>    A question...
>        Who out there really likes madonna for her *music* and *lyrics*?
>
>    Just Wondering...

I do.

I have very little interest in her image as she portrays it. Few of
her videos interest me so I just listen to her CDs.

I find that her music and lyrics often contradict her image. Therefore,
it may be (IMHO) reasonable to presume that her image is constructed
for maximum monetary profit and exposure.

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		 hrdoucet@cgl.waterloo.edu ((H)eloise Doucet)
	Computer Graphics Lab, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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At the age of 37, 
She realized she would never,
Drive through Paris,
In a sports car,
With the warm wind in her hair.		     - The Ballad of Lucy Jordan
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From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Question on SEX
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:43:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Hi my (future) girlfriend is a big fan of Vanilla Ice (sp). I hear he
appears in this book. What is the picture like? What is he doing? How
"much" of him do you see? I'd appreciate your responses to these
questions in helping me decide whether to get this book.
Thanks a lot,
Joe Marcheso
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: Question on SEX
From: ddvorak@zeus.calpoly.edu (David M. Dvorak)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:38:04 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <BxI3K6.Ey@DMI.USherb.CA> tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>) writes:
>Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) pretend que ==>
>>Hi my (future) girlfriend is a big fan of Vanilla Ice (sp). I hear he
>>appears in this book. What is the picture like? What is he doing? How
>>"much" of him do you see? I'd appreciate your responses to these
>>questions in helping me decide whether to get this book.
>>Thanks a lot,
>>Joe Marcheso
>
>Humm!  Your future?  I hope she does not read this newsgroup...  So I didn't
>read (is it the right verb for this book?) the book but they showed some of
>the pictures at Musique-Plus (a t.v. channel in Quebec).  
>
>Vanilla Ice was taking Madonna by the back and the picture was very colorfull.
>So you don't see everything but they don't hide much too!!!
>
>Bye.
>-- 
>Tourfman
>========
>	Vie:    Excellente source de angst
>	Angst:  Excellente source d'inspiration

Actually if you are hoping to get a good look at Vanilla Ice, don't
bother.  All he has is his shirt off,  but he sure does fondle Madonna
alot and she has her shirt off too.

David Dvorak
dddvorak@demeter.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Nov3.145421.11461@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<25620@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <TORKEL.92Nov3203141@bast.sics.se>
	<s1070619.721302800@giaeb> <TORKEL.92Nov9230327@bast.sics.se>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:08:56 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov9230327@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>
>  In article <s1070619.721302800@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
>   (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>
>     >"Creeps" is usually a word reserved for different, unusual, or offensively
>     >different people... I would have thought it more apt to call your beloved
>     >madonna a creep... not us.
>
>    Yes? To my mind, it smacks of considerable weirdness to state "I
>  hate Madonna!" and go on to spew anger and hatred on a woman who
>  happens to be a successful pop singer.  Many of these Madonna bashers
>  seem to be genuinely disturbed people, with a pathological hatred of
>  women in general, or perhaps of women who put themselves forward or are
>  sexually explicit in their actions or statements.
>
>    Madonna, surely, is a pop singer who has done some good stuff, and
>  who knows how to handle herself and her business. There are fanatical
>  fans: this is a well-known phenomenon, and a pretty harmless one.
>  There are people who spew spluttering hatred of Madonna: this is not
>  so common, historically speaking, and I think it's not unreasonable to
>  suspect that the emergence of these people in connection with Madonna
>  is a "flushing out" of people who are psychologically disturbed.

I've wondered about this myself, because there exist practically hundreds
of newsgroups for discussion of various celebrities, personalities, music,
art, etc.  I count over seventy in the alt.fan hierarchy alone!  If I
started flaming to all the groups whose subjects I didn't like
(e.g. alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.fan.dan-quayle) I would never get to
log out!  What I want to know is how someone can get so worked up that
they feel compelled to flame they way they do.  So, people, what is it?
Just saying "she has no talent" doesn't cut it, since you'd be posting
to dozens of groups if that were your only motive.  There must be another
reason.

Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: carlson@horus.cs.odu.edu (Gary Scott Carlson)
Subject: Another Hi, kids!
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
	<1992Oct28.142556.27921@news.duc.auburn.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:40:46 GMT

In article (Thomas J. Horn) writes:
------- stuff deleted ---------
	(Matt Welsh) writes:
 + > >Hi there. Well thanks to our friend MAC alt.fan.madonna is now here and
 + > >I'd just like to personally tell you all that I'm unsubscribing.
 + > 
 + > In the finest Forum-list tradition, I'd simply like to add "Me Too!".

 +  Agreed. 

Me, too.  I agree.  In many ways, I feel sorry for Madonna, in that she
somehow feels it necessary to stoop to such ????? in order to ?regain? some
of the spotlight.

In the words of an old Country-Western song (modified):  "You can take this
newsgroup and shove it, I ain't readin' here no more!"

And the words to a still older song used for limbo dancing:
	"How LOW can you GO?!"

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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful.
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gary


Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Mailing List
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: World
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:01:13 GMT

For all you Madonna FANS, there is a mailing list where you can bring your
worthy discussions to. I should ammend this. Only SERIOUS fans should try
this list since we pretty much go in depth into her albums/songs/current
gossip, and the faint hearted need not try to get on it.

Especially for the Serious Collector --- here you may find the record that
you've been searching for all this time.

The rest of you can stay here on this lame group. Though I must admit the
posts are slowly improving.

Send a subscription request to madonna-request@athena.mit.edu

                                 STUey!
||||||||||||||||||||||||koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu|||||||||||||||||||||||||||

"Power is an aphrodisiac, and I'm a very powerful person"             -Madonna
-- 
For all you Madonna FANS, there is a mailing list where you can bring your
worthy discussions to. I should ammend this. Only SERIOUS fans should try
this list since we pretty much go in depth into her albums/songs/current
gossip, and the faint hearted need not try to get on it.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
jhsegal
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Lyrics
From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:00:24 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

Can anyone please repost,or Email to me all the Lyrics from Erotica
posted to this newsgroup,or others,which were not posted.
Thanx a lot
LS
From: kristinw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:32:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <25948@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, jaw@cs.arizona.edu (Jim Wilson) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.222804.60404@cc.usu.edu> kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>I cannot believe that both of you are supporting Madonna's new book.  It makes
>>me sick to think that that type of pronography is available to anyone who wants
>>it.  I define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman that is meant
>>to sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex.  I don't care if Madonna has
>>sexual desires and acts but I don't want her to share them with the rest of the
>>world.  It only makes it more  difficult to teach children the proper morals
>>they need.  The only reason why you both support it is because you are avid
>>readers of pornographic material, otherwise, how could you compare the pictures
>>with Penthouse and Playboy?  Shame on you both.> 
> 
>   I cannot believe that <insert fact of choice>.
>   It makes me sick to think.
>   That type of pronography is available to anyone who wants it.
>   I define pornography.
>   Any picture of a nude man or woman is meant to sexually arouse.
>   I don't care if Madonna has sexual desires.
>   I don't want her to share.
>   It only makes it more difficult to teach children.
>   ...the proper morals they need... (defined by? oh! you, of course)
>   The only reason you both support it is <insert judgemental opinion here>.
>   You are avid readers of pornographic material.
>   Shame on you both. 
> 
> Tsk.  Tsk.
The morals they need are those decided upon by the parents of those choice
individuals.  However, how many parents do you know that openly encourage their
children to read pornographic materials??????
> 
> 
> --
>    _              
>   | | _  _ _     |	Everybody complains of his memory, and
>  _| || ||  \ \   |	nobody complains of his judgement.
>  \_/ |_||_\_\_|  |				- La Rochefoucauld
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Re: morons.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:07:59 GMT

s1070902@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker)) writes:



>Hey, while were at creating new groups, how about :

>    alt.fan.madonna.dickheads.who.like.to.drool
>    or:
>    alt.fan.madonna.yuk.yuk.yuk
>    or maybe even:
>    alt.fan.madonna.sicos
>    how about:
>    alt.fan.madonna.haters
>    or:
>    alt.fan.madonna.GET.A.LIFE

    To this, I respond with a hearty Hear Hear!
        And, add alt.fan.madonna.dickheads.who.like.to.drool.and.also.like.the.
        easy.clean.cover.on.her.new.book.so.they.can.clean.off.their.mess.
        after.reading.yuk.yuk.yuk

    A question...
        Who out there really likes madonna for her *music* and *lyrics*?

    Just Wondering...

     ***************************************************************************
    * Nathan Kroenert(YOGI).            * "Where the women are fast,"         *
   * Monash University Gippsland.      *   "And the BUNDYS Kick ass,"        *
  * s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au   *     "At the NUDI BAR!!!" -Al, M-W-C *
 * {[Errors In My Preaching Aren't A Sign Of Stupidity, Just Carelessness]}*
***************************************************************************

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:53:20 GMT

torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:

>In article <25620@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard) writes:

>   >Excuse me. But is this alt.FAN.madonna, or is it alt.FLAME.madonna?

>  Inevitably it's both! The fans of Madonna - whether fanatical or lukewarm -
>get an additional kick out of reading the pathetic postings of those who
>feel their own insecure existence or that of Western civilization threatened
>by Madonna's performances.
    Phrased beautifully, but meaningless. I am a typical madonna basher, and
    am not the least bit insecure... I would also like to say that our
    "pathetic postings" have a little more substance than your posts that do
    nothing more than blow sunshine up madonna's arse. (Not that she would not
    enjot it... =)  )



>I used to think that Madonna was merely ok, a
>clever singer and performer who had done quite a lot of good pop stuff, but
>I realize now that she is more than this: she has an uncanny talent for
>flushing these creeps out!
    Flushing out... interesting... I would hardly say that we need to be
    flushed out. We are here on display. I hate madonna. see... not hiding it
    am I?

    "Creeps" is usually a word reserved for different, unusual, or offensivly
    different people... I would have thought it more apt to call your beloved
    madonna a creep... not us.


        Another "Pathetic Posting"(tm) by...

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    * Nathan Kroenert(YOGI).            * "Where the women are fast,"         *
   * Monash University Gippsland.      *   "And the BUNDYS Kick ass,"        *
  * s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au   *     "At the NUDI BAR!!!" -Al, M-W-C *
 * {[Errors In My Preaching Aren't A Sign Of Stupidity, Just Carelessness]}*
***************************************************************************
From: mmartin@dante.nmsu.edu (Marilyn Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Art-crit of SEX
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:12:47 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Spent the weekend going over SEX with several other YFs (Young Fogies).

It's a great conversation (or is it argument) material!

Two things I wonder about:

1. Do other people notice/protest the apparent "appropriation" (we used to
   call it rip-off) of xerox-artists?  When I lived in NYC about 10 years
   ago, there was a whole underground xerox artist thing - lots of lesbian
   artists involved. I know I'm out of touch - but its the same formula.
   

2. Several women were vehement about the book - it seemed like they made up
   their minds before seeing it. The men all had fun. Some women are fasci-
   nated. Everyone was polarized. Can I infer something from this?

Specific art-crits:

Staples were overdone. Xerox look was too heavy-handed. Needs some lyricism.
Subject matter appeals to men more than women - no erections, no penetration.
Color range was timid - apparent lack of color plan made book seem "not a whole"but a collection of pieces. Would have preferred artists contribution rather 
than designer/packager/marketing/rip-off - could have been significant in a
art-world way. Too busy. Needs a book designer - someone from old Village Eye
would be good.

extra credit question:

Who is Steve Meisel (that is the photographer's name, is it not?) What
other work has he done.

Hope this wasn't a waste of net-time.

MM
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