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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are new cars typically blemished?
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:53:03 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <54577> Bill Norcott writes:

>  This will be useful just
>in case your state has a lemon law and they can't fix it within 3
>tries, etc.  If they have to repaint it in the dealer's body shop it

I know I asked the question before, but haven't heard anything back yet...
has anyone actually had personal experience, or know of anyone who ever
did, who has been succesful in getting a refund/rebate from their state's
Lemon Law?

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.232359.17449@julian.uwo.ca> TX_WAYNE@rrivax.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Johnson) writes:
 
	[ someone else wrote ]

>> As I understand the situation, Chrysler has exclusive use of the Cummins
>> engine until around the year 2000. 
 
exclusive use?  not hardly!  that engine or a variant-thereof powers everything
from motorhomes to construction equipment to boats.


>According to my brother-in-law, who owns a Ford dealership, Ford recently
>bought out Cummins and plan to start using the engines in their trucks in
>the near future.  While they can't stop Chrysler from buying the engines
>due to their contract, they will make it "less attractive" for Chrysler
>than it is now.

how recently?  as of April 1991, Ford owned 10% of Cummins stock...  when
Chrysler got the contract with Cummins for the B5.9-160 engine, Ford was bound
by contract with Navistar and *could not* buy the Cummins engine (source:
conversation at Cummins Intermountain, Las Vegas, NV in April 1991; sunsequent
conversation with the same persons indicated no significant change in that
situation).  I'm sorry, but I put more faith in statements from the personnel
at Cummins...

>I've also heard that this is the reason Dodge is developing a truck version
>of their V10 viper engine...

this assertion is what really nuked your credibility... the V-10 project was
publicised long before the Cummins-powered trucks were publicised.  the 'V10
viper engine' as you refered to it is actually an adaptation of the *truck*
engine and has been under test and development for the past 4 years (at least).


Walt K.
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Fast Japanese sports cars (NSX, RX-7, Corvette, et al)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:20:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov23.012040.12850
Organization: Western Washington University

Oh, come on.  A corvette or RX-7 are both every bit as fast as an NS-X.  WHy
spend that much money?  Give me The Vette or the RX-7  AND a Kawasaki ZX-11
AND the insurance for a year the NSX would buy, and I'll be happy:)

Marty O.
87 250 ninja type rider person
85 Dodge Charger Shelby Turbo

"It's a feeling that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun"

"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs speculation)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:42:20 GMT

In article <BxtH82.Ix0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>>It's almost a sacrilidge to take the vette and camero
>                                                ^^^^^^
>>from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
>                        ^^^^^^
>
>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled
>
>CAMARO   
>
>with an A!
>
>C-A-M-A-R-O   
>

yea, and for 93 it is all new...it has...long front snout..huge rear glass..
uh...same weight and size roughly...rwd...uh..guess it is the same...a bloated
snoutmobile that has high insurance rates and gets stolen/wrecked lots.
oh, but it will pace indy500 this coming may.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:26:59 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>
>In a previous article, jyri+@CMU.EDU (Jyri Virkki) says:
>>This reason particularly is not true. A Civic, or any other equivalent
>>car, will cruise all day at 110mph with no difficulty at all. There
>>are very few cars anymore that are not suited for 100+ driving, even
>>the worst offenders of a few years ago, big american sedans, are now
>>being built with acceptable handling. The only modern car I've been in
>>that became twitchy after 70 or so was the Geo Metro.
>                     ~~~~~~~~~              ^^^^^^^^^
In article <1e4qotINN2il@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>tail wind??..or down hill??..or both???..AROUND 70, no prob..AFTER 70..in 
>a metro???...( :-) for those of us.....)
>DREW
>-- 
    Nah, off a cliff.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.003457.17258@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco) writes:
>In article <1emeq8INNjtp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>
>It really should be known as an Accord because that's what it is, an Accord
>with an extra cylinder and some really fouled engineering.
>
>Honda sucks.
>^^^^^^^^^^^

>Jason Velasco                                      quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

	This is True... 

				Chintan Amin,  Honda owner.  Saturn Worshiper.
				The University of Illinois
				Anyone wanna Trade?  '87 Civic Dx for an SL1?


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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:25:10 GMT
Subject: Re: James Dean drove one
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

what are you, stupid?
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese Full Size Trucks
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:37:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <RZAA80-201192145524@222.18.80.28>, RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov20.142912.38332@watson.ibm.com>,
|> born@scepter.raleigh.ibm.com wrote:
|> > 
|> > Has anyone seen the commercial advertising the new full-size truck
|> > made by Toyota? (I believe it was Toyota.)  I've read in the past that
|> > this is a VERY profitable market segment for the U.S. manufacturers.
|> > It will be very interesting to see how they (Ford, GM, Chrysler) respond 
|> > to this new entry.
|> 
|> This truck will probably sell well to people who don't really work their
|> trucks hard or 4 wheel them hard.  I was disappointed to see the 3.0 V-6
|> and the independent front suspension.  If it had a straight axle and the
|> DOHC inline 6 like the 93 Landcruiser, I'd be interested.
|> 
|> 

Or if it could comfortably seat 6 adults while pulling an 11,000 lb fifth
wheel, and get 12 mpg while doing it...


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pgrg9345@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (pAul rAdja )
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:48:12 GMT

john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:


>One thing I find outrageously humorous or tragic, take your pick, about all
>this hoopla about the ozone layer is that plain old water vapor is responsible
>for 98 % of the depletion of the ozone. Why isn't anyone making noise about
>this? Another thing I find rediculous about all this is that we've only been
>studying the ozone layer for about 20 years maximum, hardly enough time to be
>able to make any trend analysis a valid one. And one more thing to ponder as
>you go about your busy day boys and girls, as far as I've seen nobody has been
>able to prove conclusively that CFC's are at all responsible for deterioration
>of the ozone layer, in fact studies I've seen suggest that the CFC's break
>down before they ever get anywhere near the altitudes in question. Personnally
>I think it's all just mass hysteria, as is a lot of environmental naziism.

>When Al Gore has us all standing in bread lines because all industries that
>are politically incorrect are shut down due to his environmentalist terrorism,
>please don't blame me, I voted for Ross.

>John T.
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>If you take yourself too seriously, you'll be the only one who does.

>..John Turman...

 About a week ago a noted scientist in atmospheric sciences gave a
 lecture at U of I about how CFCs do aid in the destruction of the
 ozone layer. The most stunning fact was that the ozone layer has been
 thinning exponentially in the last few years. As you pointed out
 CFCs are not the only problem the ozone faces but its removal
 would be a step in the right direction.

 When Tipper Gore has us all buying Christian records I'm moving to Canada!

  
   _pAul rAdja
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Domestic Content Laws
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.175954.9892@athena.mit.edu> tgardner@athena.mit.edu
(Timothy J Gardner) writes:...
>The Japanese manufacturers build some great products.  So do the US companies.
>Don't support the junk, buy the good cars, and at least be willing to look
>at the American cars with an open mind.  
>Manufacturing equals national prosperity.  You may have your ass covered for
>now in the service sector, but as we lose manufacturing jobs, our standard of 
>living declines, and your children are going to live in smaller houses, drive
>junkier cars, and have fewer electonic toys than we do.  That is the 
>consequence for sending wealth out of our country.  I'm tired of hearing 
>people trying to rationalize their way out of this responsibility.  It's
>time we grow up as a nation and accept the consequences of our actions.

The best solution is domestic-content laws, not quotas.  The Japanese still
get to sell their vehicles, but they must _engineer_, manufacture, and
assemble them with the sweat and tears of American labor.  There should be
a mandatory phase out of any car with less than 90% domestic content.

I do not mind the collapse of Chrysler, Ford, or GM in favor of Nissan,
Honda, and Toyota as long as the national prosperity is maintained.  Mr.
Gardner is quite right in saying that the national wealth depends
on manufacturing.

What I propose is much tougher than current domestic-content laws.  It
does one thing that current laws don't do; it requires that the engineering
be done in the USA (at least 90% of it).  This is a form of technology
transfer to America.

What's neat is that this also encourages a competitive atmosphere, letting
the Japanese companies sell as many vehicles as they want, which quota
laws don't do.  (Unlike many people, I still believe that the quality of
American labor--especially engineers--is as good as in Japan.)

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From: rking@reg.triumf.ca (Russell M. King, TRIUMF, (604)222-1047x311)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Oldy but Goody; Not Woody
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:09 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Hi,

I am slowly restoring a 1936 Chevy Car(Business Sedan model), that my father 
used to drive, before it was parked 28 years ago on a farm in Saskatchewan. 
The car is complete and authentic, with a complete documented history to boot,
but there are many decisions to be made over how to procede.  I was wondering
if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing? 

I think I would like to make it more of a custom job, with the running gear,
suspension, steering, etc. from a later model Chevy car, perhaps a 80's Camaro
Berlinetta(V6) or something.  By using the original body/frame and mating the
new parts to it, the overall look would be better.  I could also scavenge all
of the electrical componentry, like sensors, lighting, heater controls, etc.
from one source.  The perfect combo - killer looks, update handling,
performance.

Comments, suggestions?  If this is the wrong group for this type of discussion,
please redirect me.

Thanks a bunch,

Russell King

Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,sci.med
From: jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:47:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.073317.12362@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
|> 
|> How do you think tractors get to all their fields, by airlift?
 
Yeah, but how does one get a John Deere to do 45 MPH?

-- 
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(908) 699-4684                  444 Hoes Lane  RRC 1S-222
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
From: faulkner@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian )
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:31:45 GMT

kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:

>Charlie Preston (crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu) wrote:
>:      BTW I do *not* want air bags in my vehicles!

>	Why not?  I agree with your discussion of collision avoidance, but
>I'd want as many backup systems keeping me alive as possible.  Yes, cars
>should be computer-controlled to avoid many accidents, but if the computer
>fails, I'd want human controls built in as a backup -- and the ability for
>the operator to override the computer.

>	Likewise, I'd want to have air bags as well as seat belts, and
>a honeycomb design to increase strength, and a folding engine compartment
>like Volvos have (so that *it* crushes, instead of the passenger
>compartment).  It's simply a matter of redundancy in safety design, something
>that we do all too little of (because the costs involved in redundancy

I don't think I want a car with an air bag because I've heard they can
blow your ear drums in certain situations because of the explosive inflation
rates inside a closed area.  I don't know how true this is, but it is 
something to consider when choosing between the mandatory passive
restraint or air bags...
From: gary@hpbeo20.bbn.hp.com (Gary W. Tuosto)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:00:47 GMT
Subject: Re: CJ7 full-floating axle dealer?
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division R&D, Boeblingen, Germany
Newsgroups: rec.autos
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John, Steve and Jason,

Thanks for all the help! Now is decision-making time :-)

Regards,

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:00:04 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1dv1ebINNmo4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:
>
>>In article <1dn1s8INN6t5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>WRONG!!...that is what drivers ed is for..this is why they should be taught
>>>in sticks...after you learn to do it all in a stick..the autos are a piece
>>    ^^^^^^
>>Perhaps learning in cars would be a good idea :-)
>>
>>>of cake!...going auto to stick is quite a traumatizing experience..much more
>>>so than going stick to auto.
>>
>>How much more traumatic do you think it is to learn _from scratch_ using
>>a manual gearbox.  Many of us did just that and can vaguely remember, 
>>you however, didn't.  
>>
>
>actually..it's a debate which i learned first..i learned to shift a stick
>long before i ever touched an auto..i shifted for my mother..yeah..from
>the right seat(that's the passanger seat for ye ol' non USeans readin'!)
>.but the first car i ever "drove"(as in..manuvered on a public road) was
>indeed an auto...but..i already knew the idosychrasis(sp) of the manual
>that i drove after i'd shifted it for a couple years...even thogh i was
>in the wrong seat..:-)  you decide which i learned to drive in...i don't
>care which you want to claim i learned in..it is still easier to make 
>the manual-auto conversion than vice versa...

You stated quite clearly in an earlier post that _you_ were FORCED (your 
emphasis) to learn to drive in an auto.  Now you say that you knew all about
driving manuals 'coz you shifted for your mother.  Try at least to be 
internally consistent in your vacuous arguments.

Also understanding the mechanics of moving a lever on cue (push the lever
now honey if you really must) doesn't mean you had the faintest clue about 
the coordination required to move those pedals at the same time.

Derek
-- 
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Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: IBD says EPA OXY-fuel program sucks.
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:26:45 GMT

Here are some exerts from November 17, 1992 Investors' Business Daily 
re: EPA's OXY-Fuels program:

All the following are quotes unless otherwise indicated by ().
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The EPA acknowledges that many cars using oxy-fuels will suffer 
reduced mileage.  That's because there is a smaller amount of 
combustible gasoline in each gallon of fuel blended with oxygenates.  
Oil industry calculations estimate an average mileage drop of 3% to 4% 
                   while the Department of Energy estimates a     2.5% 
                                decline and the EPA a drop of       1%.

DOE estimates gasoline prices will go up three to five cents a gallon, 
but oil company officials foresee a jump of nearly 10 cents a gallon ...

Arizona ... oxygenates ... increased costs to consumers by 
$29 - $37 million annually. ... rest of the nation ... a potential 
annual cost of mare than $2 billion.  (In the 37 cities effected.)

Thus, oxygenated additives can at best reduce the carbon monoxide 
emissions of pre-1983 cars in need of a tuneup and post-1983 cars with 
broken sensors.  Ironically, it is the cars with the oxygen sensors 
that will suffer the greatest loss in mileage.

... Denver ... only one of 300 vehicles made in 1988 and 1989 put out 
a significantly high level of emissions.

That 300th car is eligible ... required warranties ... for free repair ...

Even among cars built before ... 1980 ... testing found that 81% ran 
cleanly.  The bottom line was that only 9% could have benefited from
oxygenated fuels.
                  (ie.  only 9% of pre-1980 cars are clunkers, smokers,
                        or whatever you want to call them )

The same data used to justify oxy-fuels shows that fixing 10% of a fleet 
gives you more improvement than forcing the whole fleet to use oxy-fuels.
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs speculation)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:25:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtKE8.4sp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <BxtH82.Ix0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>>from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
>                        ^^^^^^
>
>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled
 ^^^^^^ 		       ^^^
>
>CAMARO   
>
>with an A!

It's SO amusing when someone posts a message complaining about someone
else's spelling errors with a message which contains twice the number of
spelling errors as the original post. ;-)
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: WANTED: Tire advice for VW camper
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:24:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, zirk@celece.ucsd.edu (Karin Zirk) says:

>In article <1992Nov13.162824.20047@ultra.com>, wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) writes:
>> We have an '85 VW camper that is in dire need of new tires.  We like
>> Michelins, but the tire stores say the 185R14 size that we need is
>> backordered nationally.  So we are in the market for various forms of
>> advice:
>> 
>> 2) Are Sears tires still made by Michelin, and would they be okay?
>> 
>
>I'm not sure who manufactures Sears Tires but they are good.

the ones i've heard of are Michelin..but this does not mean it is tru for
All sears tires..or even some, anymore...
DREW

>
>I have light truck tires from Sears:  Road Handler All Terrian
>
>I have a '71 camper with a bubble top and lots of weight inside.
>I have put about 30,000 miles on my tires and they still look
>great.  I have driven my van through snow and ice, off road
>in Baja California, on the freeway and anything else you can
>think of, shallow mud included.  And they have worked wonderfully.
>
>In fact, when ever someone comes to help me work on my van,
>which these days has been quite often as I've been involved
>in an engine rebuild, they always comment on my tires and
>everyone thinks their great.
>
>Just my own personal experience.
>
>Karin
>
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: scott@ncifcrf.gov (Mike Scott)
Subject: wheels
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:40:37 GMT


Will 15" wheels from my gli fit on a 81 vw rabbit?



Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: mcr@cactus.org (Mike)
Subject: Re: argument on when to change gears on VR6...
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.235149.10460@cc.umontreal.ca> paquetis@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Paquette Isabelle) writes:
>Hi, all...
>
>
>Which brings me to my question, when should gears be changed, or is it
>just a questio of taste? 
>

Yeah, change 'em just ahead of the 280Z next to you to make sure you win
the race!

mik
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw