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From: ehawrysh@bnr.ca (Evan Hawrysh)
Subject: Re: Passages through firewall
Reply-To: ehawrysh@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:24:41 GMT

You might want to try running the wire(s) with an existing clump through
the firewall. I did this with my Mustang. Most likely you'll have at least
2 major wire harnesses going through the firewall. It may look like they are
solidly stuffed, but put a little dish soap for lubrication on your power
wires and they slide right on through. You may be able to use the existing 
wire loom running up to the firewall as well. BTW, mine were 2- 10 ga. with
real heavy insulation on them.

EH
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    Bell-Northern Research               the flow when I'm rollin', in my 5.0"
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From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: COOL CAR!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

Brian,
        Cool Car!  I got a '92' Civic SI.  What you got?  I can't wait
to get my system into it.  Great Car!  Great System!  Perfect Match....
                Later,  Rob Runkle
                                                                       
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey)
Subject: Sub Box Shape Q's
Followup-To: rec.audio.car
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:27:16 GMT

Hi,

I am going to build a sealed box for my new sub. It's an Orion XTR10 and
when I spoke with Orion they said the box should be sealed and have 1 cubic
foot in interior space.  

Ok, now, does the shape of the box have any effect on the speakers
performance?  i.e., I build a goofy shaped box to minimize the effect it
has on my luggage space will I sacrifice anything? (please assume I CAN
build the box)  The mounting depth is 4.5 inches, if I make the box 5
inched deep is there any effect?  I realize placement of the box can change
what I hear from the drivers seat but at present I am more curious about
the box itself.

Has anyone build a sub box out of their spare tire well and kept the spare
available (in that location)?  How do you seal the well and still get at
the spare?  Do you line the steel bottom with anything?

Thanks for your help,
Kevin

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From: stormoen@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael D. Stormoen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Detachable Face Plates
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:18:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <3750@tivoli.UUCP> paul@tivoli.com (Paul Greenspan) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I just had a Sony 5180 CD player installed in my '93 Saturn.  I really like
>I'd like to get people's experiences with detachable face plates.  How long
>have you had one and how often do you remove it.
>Paul Greenspan              paul@tivoli.com 

I've had a 5180 for about a month.  I take it off every time I leave, even
if it's only for a couple minutes.  Three of the contacts on the back have
broken, but not completely off.  They still seem to work fine, but I hope
my warranty covers this problem.
From: rslau@usc.edu (Robert Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Using a separate battery:  Perfect Interface or Bat Isolator
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:00:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: tarazed.RSLAU.92Sep9150006
Organization: University of Southern California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tarazed.usc.edu
In-reply-to: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp's message of 8 Sep 92 16:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.163045.271@bpdsun1.uucp> rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley) writes:

   Some company made a box called the Perfect Interface.  Others, 
   (such as Streetwires) make these heatsinked  devices called
   battery isolators.

Battery isolators, those little finned boxes, are basically two high
current diodes.

                                   regulator (from alternator)
                                       |
                                       |
                output 1 O------|<-----O----->|------O output 2
         factory battery                               auxilliary battery


it prevents one battery from draining current from the other as would
happen if you had it wired them in parallel.  The problem is that you
get a voltage drop across the diode, as much as 1.7 V.  The regulator
puts out 13.8V (or higher :)) but you'll only get ~12V at the amp...

   Anyone melt their car battery with this equipment?

If installed properly, nothing bad can happen :)

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From: laflisc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: need help
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:35:41 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


Hey dude,
	Just an idea off the top of my head about your question of
what amp you shouild get.  At one time I had a RF Punch 150 running four 10 inch
Blue Thunders --two four ohms in parallel on each channel.  This will
give you 90 watts per channel. 
	It is harder on the amp in two ohms, but I have had the amp
for years.  I love RF amps.  They cost alot but I think they are worth
it.

						Scott
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: yani@solbourne.com (Byron Yani)
Subject: Kicker Speaker Box
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:55:17 GMT

Hello, 

I would like to know some information about the Kicker ss12 Speaker Box.
How good is it?
What is the price of this box?
If you own one would you recommend it?
Any comments please.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: rayma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Ray)
Subject: Re: Alphasonic FA series
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:38:52 GMT


In article <1992Sep15.151340.29159@cbfsb.cb.att.com>  
mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy) writes:
> 
> Has anyone seen/listen to/purchase any of the new Alphasonic
> FA series amplifiers?
> 
> I was going to buy a Sound Stream D200, when this amplifier
> was reccomended to me.
> 
> If anyone has any info on it, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks/
> 
> Marc.

Stay with the SoundStream.  You won't be disappointed.

Michael Ray

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From: curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss)
Subject: Eclipse ECD-410 CD head unit; mail order source wanted
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:37:29 GMT

 I am putting together a system for my 92 Civic (no stereo as 
 delivered).  After reading the review of 5 <$500 CD head 
 units in the Sept./Oct. Car Stereo Review, I am considering 
 the Eclipse ECD-410 ($475 list).  While I can find the 
 Pioneer DEH-680 ($490 list) listed in mail order ads for 
 around $320, the Eclipse is not even listed. Does anyone know 
 of a reputable mail order house that carries the Eclipse?  
 Does anyone have any experience with the Eclipse (this review 
 is the first time I have ever heard of the brand)?  Are there 
 other brands/models that I should consider?

 =========================
 Brian Curtiss
 curtiss@cses.colorado.edu
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From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: A FEW THOUGHTS AND QUESTI
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

 BIancolin,
        Consider MTX Blue Thunders as a possible sub.  Car Audio(Mar 90)
raved about the 10" Blue Thunders and everyone that I have heard that
has heard them loves them.  They are cheap too!!!!
        I personally am going with PPI.  The new AX400 and Ax600 are
complete with cross over and cooling fan etc...  Orion is very goos too.
 Especially for competition.
        Audio Control is the only way to go with Eq's and other things
like that.  Wait till you get a chance to read the instruction manual
and stuff.  It is hilarious.
        Later, Rob Runkle
From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: LOOKING FOR MAIL ORDER
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

-> Can anyone tell me of any mail order car audio places? I have the
-> Crutchfield catalog.  Are there any telephone numbers I can call to
-> get other catalogs or prices on equipment? Thanks.
Jeff,
        Check out most car Magazines(Car and Driver, Motor Trend,
etc...)  They have Car audio, etc.. Mail order placeds in the
advertisements.  Typically they can beat Crutshfiel by a considerable
amount.  Also check out Stereo Review.
        Later,  Rob Runkle
From: mgoodwin@nmsu.edu (Michael E Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Amp problem..
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:55:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.audio.car
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

It's been a while since I've posted here, but have gotten very 
good results in the past, and I'm bewildered on my current 
problem.
	After an experience on using poor quality wire for amplifier
power supply, I upgraded the wiring to a beefier cable. After about 
10 hours of continuous driving, the wires got a little too warm,
melted and filled the car with whisps of white smoke! :-0
	Not a fun sight at 75mph.. Anyway, after installing new and 
improved wires It seems that I have run into a small problem. 
	Whenever I hook up my low-level inputs to the amp from the
deck, I get very LOUD amounts of feedback. When I use low-level inputs
from my portable CD player I get no feedback and everything sounds
fine.
	The low-level connections from the deck to the amp work fine,
but I'm too used to the better quality from the low-levels, and was
wondering what could be the problem? I've taken the amp apart, and 
found nothing visually wrong with it.
	I don't think the deck is the problem, because if I touch the 
positive plug of the RCA cable with my fingers, I still get some
feedback.
	I've even used 3 different sets of RCA cables and all have
produced the same results.
	Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

Mike
From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Bose 1401 Series II Opinions
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:53:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug31.150322.1@jjmvx1> vince@jsrvx1.ucsf.edu writes:
>
>A local stereo store is moving and wants to liquidate it's merchandise.
>In their ad they mention a Bose 1401 Series II package that contains an amp
>and four speakers.

Wow. Wow! This really takes me back a ways! The store I worked at from
'88-90 had some of these for sale, although I had been dealing with them
before that too. Really weird system- basically 901's for the car. My 
perception was that they were not particularly obnoxious, but they had
no real bass, no high treble and no volume. They seemed to work better
in big cars; I guess the sound deadening in these made the limited volume
output more usable, and the bass response better (big trunks).

As for value, abything over about $75 for this is probably too much, 
unless you hear them and just like them terrificly. I really was just
nonplussed by them.

Regards,
Gordon.

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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Subject: Re: 3 1/2" Drivers for a '81 Datsun 280ZX Dash
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:08:38 GMT


	Try looking into the Pioneer 3 1/2in.  They have a few models
under $50.  Such as the ts-1018, which I've seen for $30.

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'83 Audi 5000s: sport sedan from hell!!!
'86 Toyota MR2: a real sports car, fun! fun! and more FUN!
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX: "Atomic M&M"  Is this thing glued to the
                                          road? 	

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From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: CAN ANYONE MAKE A FAQ ON
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

-> Could someone post some info on how to find dimensions of boxes, and
-> how to determine where to put ports.....I know there are computer
-> programs out there that do this, but I would like to know myself how
-> to do it, with a calculator and my head...ha...
Paul,
         I learned all I know from books.  You could probably find one
either at Radio Shack or from Crutchfield.  I just got done reading a
book from Crutchfield and I feel very prepared to start a sub box.
It is not all that complicated but alittle to much to try and explain
through mail.  The book to look for is a general book on making Speakers
enclosures(Not sub boxes).
        Good Luck,  Rob Runkle
                                                                                         
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: ++1-800-SHERWOOD number out there???++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:23:39 GMT



AMEN!
From: Alan_Boisclair@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Boisclair)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: -=-=-=-=- Alternator Overload -=-=-=-=-
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:23:09 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Dear Tim,
Without question, the alternator has to be replaced with a higher output model.
With a system currently rated at 1200 watts max output, with 2 fuses rated at
30 Amps each and 1 fuse rated at 60 amps, my 120 Amp Alternator is adequate.
        By the way, if your amplifiers only take peaks  of current drain, but
the total current draw does not exceed your alternator output, then some have
installed a separate deep cycle battery with an appropriate battery isolator
module in line.
All the best,
Alan Boisclair

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Sub Port Sizing ?
Keywords: Sub woofer port
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:10:37 GMT
Organization: Chevron


In article <3410@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, Frank Bordon writes:

> I plan to buy an Orion 10" XTRDVC sub.  The dealer recommended a dual
> reflex box (a ported box on the front and on the back of sub).


In article <BuCLHD.161@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wpg30940@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (WILT) writes:

|> I am currently building a ported enclosure for my Orion XTR 10.

 
   I'm also looking at the Orion subs.  I've had one dealer tell me one
   thing and another tell me something different.

   So, I called Orion Technical Support in Arizona at (602) 730-8200. 
   The guy seemed to be knowledgeable and faxed me information about
   optimum enlosure sizes etc.   


   BTW, thanks Wilt for the Alpine info.


 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Passages through firewall
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:38:51 GMT

with my integra, i ended up having the speedo cable share its grommet with
the power cable for the audio stuff.  not too many null holes available in
that car, somewhat like your camaro :-(

hope it helps (my power cable was 8ga, btw)

cliff
From: Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey)
Subject: Install Q's
Followup-To: rec.audio.car
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:20:01 GMT

HI folks, 

Here we go... I have a '90 Integra hatchback.  The deck will be an indash
cd player (Pioneer DEH-880) and will likely have an eq/sub crossover below
it.

1) AMP POWER:  I run the power cable (fused near the battery...right?) in
to the passenger compartment. I presume I should run the big wire as far as
I can before splitting it to the separate amps, right? If the amps are
spread around the car (under the seats and in the hatch) do I loose
anything, asside from the mess, by distributing the power earlier as
opposed to if all the amps were in the same place (in the hatch)?  What
about potential grounding problems?  Do I run grounds back to the deck so
everything is grounded near each other?  The ground wire should be the same
size as the power wire, right?  If the amps are fused do I need a fused
distribution block as well?  Has anyone tried the circuit breakers instead
of fuses?

2) Amp Rack:  /**suppose I decide to make an amp rack(of some sort) that
will reside in the hatch. **/ 

I would prefer not to perforate the car any more than I absolutely have to.
I have considered using ministrut glued to the car and then bolting the
wood peices that will cover the hatch floor to the ministrut.  Does anyone
see immediate problems with this?

3)Has anyone created a SUB BOX in the spare tire well while leaving the
tire/and access to it?????????  I saw this done in CA&E but can't find the
issue yet.  I remember that they used fiberglass to seal the well.  Anyone
done this?

How hard is particle board to work with?  I gather screews and glue are
better than nails.  Can you bevel the edges or am I limited to 90 deg
joints?

THANKS-
I'm sure I'll think of more later...
Kevin
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From: ajsg9507@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A.J. Singh)
Subject: Re: Car Discman?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:07:20 GMT

Before I got a pullout, I used a Sony D35 (not car-specific) and Sony's car
mount adapter plate.  The mounting plate contained a suspension which cushioned
the CD player and also a Cigarette Lighter adapter.  I used a phono-plug to
Cassette adapter.  The cassette portion is inserted into your tape deck just as
any other tape.  The other end plugs into the headphone jack.  The sound was
very good (but not quite as good as my Nak :-).  The player would only skip
if I hit a VERY VERY big bump just right.  On average, it skipped once a week,
listening to it every day.  It's not a bad setup.  The total for everything was
about $320.  I'm not sure how any of the lower-end models perform.


A.J. Singh
ajsg9507@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: Detachable Face Plates
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:16:22 GMT

paul@tivoli.UUCP (Paul Greenspan) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I just had a Sony 5180 CD player installed in my '93 Saturn.  I really like
> the player and the fact that it has a detachable face plate.  However,
> I'm now concerend that taking the face plate on and off all of the time is
> going to wear out the contacts.  
> 
> I'd like to get people's experiences with detachable face plates.  How long
> have you had one and how often do you remove it.
> 
> I didn't get the extended warranty coverage, but I might change my mind if
> I think that I'll be having problems.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Greenspan              paul@tivoli.com 
> Tivoli Systems              6034 West Courtyard, Suite 210
> Austin, Texas  78730        (512) 794-9070  /  FAX (512) 794-0623

Paul, 
	I have a Pioneer DEH-750 removable face CD player that I got
about 2 years ago when it came out.  I drive my car nearly every day
and remove it every time I leave.  However, I rarely use the case.
The only problems I have ever had were that twice the display has gone
crazy with illegible messages due to dirty contacts -- (cotton swap
fixed it no problem).  Once I spilled Coke on the player (not too
much) and the buttons were a little sticky for a month or so.  Now it
still functions perfectly.  Now if only Pioneer could figure out how
to design a more user friendly head unit... (dreaming)

	I hope your Sony is built to the same standards as my Pioneer.
Good Luck.
				- Jason
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Sub ideas for a van?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:30:54 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

I'm thinking of adding a sub or pair of subs to my windsurfing van this
winter.  I don't want a distorted, boom-boom sound, just reinforced bass.
I'm looking for suggestions on what to build, what to buy, how much to
spend for significant improvement, where to place the subs, what amp to
get, how to connect the subs to what I have, etc.

Here is what I have now:

Ford E250 Extended Van
Sony CDX-5080
rf460sd amp (4x30W into 4 Ohms)
MB Quart QM218's in the front (seperates)
Boston Acoustic 6x9's in boxes in the rear (actually, they are in the
  middle of the van mounted on stands that allow me to point them forward
  towards the driver and passenger.)


I presently have carpeting over 3/4" Plywood on the floor and bare
metal walls with racks for boards and sails on the walls.  I'm considering
applying carpet to the walls to help the sound to be even better.

Thanks
Kirk out
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:25:16 -0400 
From: Jeffrey Eugene Saccani <js6q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Passages through firewall
Distribution: usa

I have an '86 Camaro also and I couldn't find one.  I talked to someone
at an installation shop and he said there is one.  I just ran my power
cable along the left fender to the door hinges.  The rubber stripping
hits the cable so this probably isn't the best idea.  There is, however,
a large hole by the hinges with a removable plastic cover.  You could
try running the cable through there and into the car.

										Jeff 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: "Seeya, And I Wouldn't Wanna Be Ya" <MRJAIN@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: FOR SALE: VIPER 600 BRAND NEW
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:55:46 GMT

Hello again,

	About two weeks ago I advertised for a Viper 600 and got several
responses but no real takers, so here is the bargain basement blowout price!

		FOR ON $137.00 (FIRM, NO HAGGLEING)
		YOU GET THE VIPER 600
		DELIVERED TO YOUR DOORSTEP OR IF
		YOU PREFER P.O. BOX.

	THAT'S RIGHT $137.00 (INCLUDING SHIPPING)


My number is (812)330-7911 or just e-mail so we can chat.
 
Offer expires soon

Manish Jain