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From: fraserf@bnr.ca (Fraser Fulford)
Subject: A500 Keyboard Lockup problem (CAPS LOCK light flashing)
Keywords: keyboard locked
Reply-To: fraserf@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:56:43 GMT

I booted my machine yesterday and found that the keyboard no longer
works.  The only keys that DO work are Ctrl-A-A to reboot the
machine.  I noticed that the light in the CAPS LOCK key is flashing
at about 1 flash per second.   Looking through my manual I could
find no reference to a diagnostic condition displayed using the caps
lock light.

The mouse/joystick work fine, so I can do anything that does not
require any typing (like games ;-), but I cannot do any work.

What is the problem?  How do I fix it?

Please e-mail as I do not regularly read this newsgroup.

-- 
...fraser                           Fraser.Fulford@x400gate.bnr.ca

Basically, a tool is an object that enables you to take advantage of 
the laws of physics and mechanics in such a way that you can seriously
injure yourself.
                    - Dave Barry

These are _my_ views and are not necessarily the views of BNR.
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: GVP 68040/2000 card price?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:47:47 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University


Has anyone seen a suggested retail prices for the GVP G-Force
68040 card(s) for the 2000?  Does anyone know if they have
varying speed boards (25 megahertz - 50 megahertz), the ad in
Amigaworld only mentioned a 33 megahertz version?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.hardware:14001 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:6623
From: rees@csa.bu.edu (David Rees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Subject: Need Controller Card for Seagate 296N half height 5 1/4" 80m HD
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:02:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rees@csa


     Hi everyone.  I need some advice on what controller card to get for 
a hard drive and amiga that I am purchasing.  I am getting an Amiga 2000
with WB 2.04 installed and a Microbiotics 8UP! ram board.  Also with this
is a Seagate 296N half height 5 1/4" hard drive formatted at 80 megs.  The hard
drive controller that it presently has is not compatible with WB 2.04.  I would
welcome any suggestions (name and where I could get it)  or offers (if 
you have one to sell).  I am getting the computer next week and want to be
able to set it up and use it right away.  Thanks in advance for you responses.
Please e-mail me with your responses at the address below.  Thanks again.
      -Dave Rees    (rees@cs.bu.edu)
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Xebec SCSI Controller and 2.04
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:52:23 GMT


   Hmmm... the zkick manual says that it enables the kickstart 2.04 (?) 
image (using romtags, but that's another story) after 1.3 (or 1.2)
configures any external devices, so 2.04 doesn't have to configure any,
so it goes on with the booting sequence, so...

well... whadayathink?  (hey! don't call me a pirate, I'm running on 1.3!)

-Gus
--
Gustavo Cordova Avila		| Majoring in Electronics & Computer Sciences
al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx	| "...I came from the Desert!!" (Sonora)
al158305@[131.178.4.10]		| RangerElf @ IRC (usually in #amiga)
From: SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Asim CDFS
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:53:39 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <5JZcPB4w164w@cellar.org>
swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur) writes:
 
>
>[Bskyluke@skylink.sublink.org (Luca Spada) writes:
>
>> Is there anyone out here that has tried the Asim CDRom FileSystem
>> advertised on the July issue of Amiga World (p. 102) ?
>HFS ability is REALLY nice!  We haven't tried CDTV stuff yet.
>
I've tried America Vista, CDTV, w/AsimCDFS - no go, Guiness CDTV works with
slight mod of CD's S:startup-sequence. Hopefully, in the future CDTV developers
will allow multi-tasking for those of using who don't want to be locked out of
our other applications while running a CDTV title, and who want to cut and
paste, legally, from CDTV or CDROM, repositories.
 
d.GAP  // also wizard@gap.ir.sbac.edu|voice 904-336-3510/FAX 904-338-7822
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: I've fallen and I can't get UPGRADED!!!
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:24:26 GMT

>Where do you mount a drive when you have no more room!??
>
>I have a 2000 with two internal floppies, an internal tape drive, and
>a Q105 HD mounted on my Trumpcard.
>
>I'm just about to get another 105MB HD. I have NO ROOM! ACK!
>
>Help me. How can I mount this internally?! I'm outta space!

Remember those useless PeeCee slots in your 2000?  Put 'em to use!  Go out
and buy an XT prototyping board, drill 4 holes in it, and mount your 105
on it sideways.  Either that, or go with a sheet of plexiglass cut to fit
the A2000's form factor (leave paths for air to circulate) and mount the HD
sideways to that.

Either way, there is a limit, and that is defined by your power supply.

Works for me, though.
-- 

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NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center | Jeffrey.Grimmett@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
==========    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."   =============
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)
Subject: Networking A500 and A2000
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:57:13 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

Ok. I know this might be a common subject in these
areas, and I already saw messages of people who'd
done it, but I don't know... so here's the question:

I've got an A500 with A590, 20 meg SCSI and another
20 meg external. Now an extra A2000 is coming in and
I want to buy a SCSI interface for it so it can use
the two drives of the A500 too. Can anyone tell me
what to do? The A590 manual seems to be saying somethin
about it, but mine's in Spanish (I can't read that. And
Commodore won't ship me a readible manual (or at least
my dealer can't make them (I doubt if he tried))).

Please e-mail reactions as I often haven't got the time
to check news.

Louis

-- 

Louis van Dompselaar      |||  Life is short, Life is tiny
clldomps@cs.ruu.nl         |    -- Heart Throbs   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com>
Subject: Re: LUN 1 SCSI device
Originator: ridder@zowie.zso.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.092722.8257@walter.cray.com> paws@spam.cray.com (Daniel Baehr) writes:
>   In the most receint copy of the spec that I have they call the LUN 
> what we call the SCSI ID and the SCSI ID is the address present on the 
> databus when a device needs attending to.  I thought the definition of 
> LUN we were using was more inline with the way I*M uses it?

Perhaps you're confused by the SCSI vs. IBM use of the term LUN.  I'm
(currently) looking at a SCSI II spec, rev.  10H, but all the SCSI
specs. I've ever seen documented LUNs and SCSI ID pretty much the same
way (and as different things.)

SCSI ID is used to select one of the 8 devices on the SCSI bus.  LUN is
used to select one of the 8 "logical units" within a particular SCSI
device (e.g. a multi slot tape drive.) 

The Logical Unit Number (LUN) is in the high-order three bits of the
second byte of every Command Data Block (CDB) sent on the SCSI bus.  The
SCSI ID does *not* appear in the CDB, it appears as a single SCSI bus
data line set to a logical 1 state during the Arbitration Phase (if
used) and the Selection Phase of the bus protocol.

Hope that clears things up a bit.  (Unless I got something wrong!)

>| Daniel Baehr Work: paws@spam.cray.com  Home: daniel_baehr@bearsden.UUCP|

-hans
-- 
  Hans-Gabriel Ridder				Digital DECwest Engineering
  ridder@rust.zso.dec.com			Bellevue, Washington, USA
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: eha@phoenix.oulu.fi (Esa Haapaniemi)
Subject: Backup HW ?
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:44:21 GMT

I saw an ad of NewHorizons selling Touchdown 100 SCSI bacup system
for 550 $ with QuarterBackup5.x softaware. The price is suitable
for me, but I'd like to know if there are any troubles with this
system. Is Touchdown a reliable drive (uses DC-6150 and DC-6250 
tapes, that *are* reliable), as the warranty lasts only 90 days ?

And most important ! Can I use it here in Europe (220/50) as it's 
on sale in USA (110/60) ?

Thanks for any --FAST-- replys !

Esa Haapaniemi
University of Oulu
Finland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: snkuehr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Stefan Kuehr)
Subject: alte Tastatur
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:12:45 GMT
Keywords: keyboard

eine alte a2000 tastatur(schmale F-Tasten) funktioniert mit manchen Programmen nicht.
Mir wurde gesagt, dies koennte ein timingproblem des handshakes sein.

das Austauschen des Quarzes (8MHz statt 6 MHz) brachte keinen Erfolg.
Wer kann hier weiterhelfen?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dvf@kepler.unh.edu (David V Feldman)
Subject: Help!!!!! - getting ``not a DOS disk'' after crash
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: worldwide
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:05:46 GMT

I have an AMIGA 2500 which boots from the usual 40 MEG hard disk
and I have a Fujitsu 1 GIG disk on which I do most of my work.
A few minutes ago the AMIGA crashed while deleting some files from
one of the two partitions of the hard disk (I was try to run a
communications program at the same time - multitasking isn't everything
that its cracked up to be :( .)  On rebooting the system doesn't seems
to see the Fujitsu drive anymore.  In particular, if I execute INFO
it just says ``Not a DOS disk.''  If I run the HDToolbox program,
it says Drive Type Unknown.  After booting an icon for the disk does 
appear, but the name has been garbled - it say FDH0:_[VQ instead of
the more usual FDH1.1 and FDH1.2.

Please advise me what exactly is likely to be wrong and what I might
be able to do about it.  Thank you very much in advance.

David Feldman
University of New Hampshire
From: d1gunnar@dtek.chalmers.se (Gunnar Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 68010 SWITCH !!!
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:44:30 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper) writes:

>> ...I am thinking about piggy-backing a 68010 with my 68000 and
>> installing a switch to switch between chips, so I get the best
>> of both worlds...  Has anyone tried this or does
>> anyone have any suggestions or warnings about this idea...??

>  Have you actually tried a 68010 by any chance? I can't imagine going
>throught the trouble of building a huge tri-state array to switch between
>CPUs just for a measly single digit percentage in speed increase...

Well actually, it may not have to be that difficult. If I remember correctly,
a lot of the pins go into high-impedance state when the _HALT pin is 
grounded.  I don't think it is really worth the trouble, either, but it
should be possible.  Get a hold of some data-sheet for the 68000/010 and
see what pins (if not all) become "high-impedance" when halted.  If it's
true it may just be a case of piggy-backing and halting the chip which isn't
in use.  Beware, though I think it was only some of the pins that had this 
feature.

*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
|            Gunnar Andersson   --  d1gunnar@dtek.chalmers.se                |
|              Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden                     |
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup)
Subject: Re: look, cbm is working
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:15:43 GMT

In <34399@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:

>pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup) writes:
>>
>>I agree with everything you said.  I don't expect C= to officially
>>"announce" anything before it's ready.  My point was that it would be nice
>>to hear that they are even *working on something*.  I think one of the
>>reasons we have seen so many of those rumor-filled (bogus, dream) posts is
>>that Commodore hasn't said *anything*.

>Well, I think it is rather obvious that we are working on sometbing otherwise
>why would Commodore keep us around?  However, if you need to hear it from
>us, well...

>		*** We are working on something ***

>Is that good enough?

>/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
>|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer              |
>|     ///                   Operating System Development Group         |
>|    ///   BIX:  msinz      UUNET:  mks@cbmvax.commodore.com           |
>|\\\///    Programming is like sex:                                    |
>| \XX/     One mistake and you have to support it for life.            |
>\----------------------------------------------------------------------/

Yes, that *is* nice.  I'm serious.  Of course you realize that I meant
working on something related to an improved chipset with more colors, larger
resolutions, etc...  Still working on something?  ;^)

This is not directed at you personally, Michael, or anyone else in the
technical crew at C=, since I assume it's not your area, but won't Commodore
*please* keep us informed of what they plan for the future of Amiga??
Again, nothing needs to be extremely specific, but (ack) *something* needs
to be said, otherwise people are going to continue to leave the Amiga
platform in favor of others that are growing more technically advanced every
day.  (If that makes sense... ugh, it's late and i'm tired, sorry.)

OK, then I've got another one:  DIG/RTG.

Working?
;^)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: 16MHz A3000 to 25MHz (!) Hardware "Hack"
Summary: And another thing... 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: 16MHz, 25MHz, Amiga, 3000, hardware, hack, upgrade, speed, increase
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 01:01:09 GMT

Something else nobody seems to have mentioned - differences between
different speeds of CPUs aren't always just that they failed the higher
speed test.  Increasing the operating speed of something as complex as a CPU
isn't just a matter of heat dissipation; sometimes the logic itself, or the
materials used, must be changed.  This probably isn't the case with the 16
Mhz and 25 Mhz versions of the '030, but I'll bet there's quite a difference
in the manufacturing process of a 16 Mhz and a 50 Mhz '030... 

If nothing else, the casing would need to be designed to dissipate (or
tolerate) more heat.  Most Motorola CPUs will run pretty well at up to 10%
above their rated speed.  If you can keep them cool, with say a fan right on
top of them, you can probably run them considerably higher.  And, as has
been pointed out, some will run faster anyway.  But as has also been pointed
out, there are no guarantees, and if you try it, the first sign of trouble
might just be your CPU frying itself rather than just crashing...

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

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|Internet bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu, or call the Arvada 68K BBS at (303)424-6208.| 
|"Don't you see it?  EVIL, pure and simple,|The Raster Image IS responsible |
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From: d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se (Kristian Wiklund)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Very strange DF0: problem
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:22:58 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

thomas@diku.dk (Thomas Nikolajsen) writes:

>jmayer@bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Mayer (HiWi Buhler)) writes:

>>> Here's an odd problem: a few days ago my DF0: stopped reading, writing, and
>>> formatting Amiga disks.  However, it still reads and writes MS-DOS disks 
>>> using MessyDOS.
>..
>>A reason I can imagine is, that the drive recognition at system startup time
>>fails (i.e. trackdisk doesn't recognize unit 0 is present). I don't know how
>>MessyDOS works, but if it doesn't use trackdisk (RAW-commands of course) and
>>relies on the information provided in the mountlist it will simply try to use
>>it.
>..
>>Joerg

>MessyDOS' messydisk.device DOES use trackdisk.device,
>it is used for reading (RAWREAD) and stepping (SEEK).
>So, the problem could be other parts of trackdisk.device, the filesystem or..

>- thomas

Could it be the drive identification procedure?

(*I* don't know, but the hardware ref. manual says that an
Amiga drive is supposed to be able to identify its type
when it recieves some special signal sequence)

greetings from
K. Wiklund / d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se

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This is a stupid signature.
From: scole@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Scott Cole)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:47:46 GMT
Subject: GURU listing?????
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware

Hi,

Where can I get a list of the GURU's

Thanks,
Scott Cole
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)
Subject: Where to get 2.04 ROMs?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:09:49 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

So everybody was talking happily about installing there
brand new 2.04 ROMs in their A500s, when suddenly
someone entered with the question: 'Where the hell do
I get these ROMs (and the rest of the package)?'

Our local Commodore dealer says he knows nothing, and
the adds in foreign mags only show ROMs without manuals
and new WB. Now, I'm not really desperate (after all,
making full use of 2.0 requires the ECS as well, and
I haven't got that either), but I'd like to have 2.0
anyway. But then won't let me have it!

Please help.

Louis

-- 

Louis van Dompselaar      |||  Life is short, Life is tiny
clldomps@cs.ruu.nl         |    -- Heart Throbs
From: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: BTNTape driver
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:21:30 GMT
Reply-To: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: Chem Dept, Uni of Canty, Chch, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Per Nilsson (etxpnil@etxsj.ericsson.se) wrote:
: 
: The label on the drive says Wangtek model no 5099EN24, I haven't found any
: tech manual for the drive so I'm really hooping that someone knows
: anything about this drive. But the drive used to be in a SUN Server,
: isn't things like MODE_SELECT the same on all drives ?

I've got bad news for you I'm afraid, the 5099EN24 is a qic-24 60Mb drive,
hence the reason you're only getting 60Mb is because that's all it'll do.
I've got a couple here off mt-02 adapters (same as in the sun), they work
fine with the amiga as 60Mb units

: The tape I used was a Carlisle DC6150 and they have worked fine before on
: the SUN server.

well there's nothing to _stop_ you using a dc6150 tape in it, but just like
using chrome tapes in an audio tape deck that doesn't support them, it won't
win you anything, they'll stil only hold 60MB. The 5099en24 should use dc600
carts 

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| o      John Davis - davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz        o |
| o                   chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz       o |
| o                   John_Davis@equinox.gen.nz          o |
| o    (Depart)mental Programmer,Chemistry Department    o |
| o  University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand o |
From: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: BTNTape driver
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:23:29 GMT
Reply-To: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: Chem Dept, Uni of Canty, Chch, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Per Nilsson (etxpnil@etxsj.ericsson.se) wrote:
: 
: The label on the drive says Wangtek model no 5099EN24, I haven't found any
: tech manual for the drive so I'm really hooping that someone knows
: anything about this drive. But the drive used to be in a SUN Server,
: isn't things like MODE_SELECT the same on all drives ?

I've got bad news for you I'm afraid, the 5099EN24 is a qic-24 60Mb drive,
hence the reason you're only getting 60Mb is because that's all it'll do.
I've got a couple here off mt-02 adapters (same as in the sun), they work
fine with the amiga as 60Mb units

: The tape I used was a Carlisle DC6150 and they have worked fine before on
: the SUN server.

well there's nothing to _stop_ you using a dc6150 tape in it, but just like
using chrome tapes in an audio tape deck that doesn't support them, it won't
win you anything, they'll stil only hold 60MB. The 5099en24 should use dc600
carts 

--
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| o      John Davis - davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz        o |
| o                   chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz       o |
| o                   John_Davis@equinox.gen.nz          o |
| o    (Depart)mental Programmer,Chemistry Department    o |
| o  University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand o | 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: etxpnil@etxsj.ericsson.se (Per Nilsson)
Subject: Re: BTNTape driver
Organization: ERICSSON Telecom, Stockholm Sweden
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:37:55 GMT

In article <22832@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug12.082256.5045@ericsson.se> etxpnil@etxsj.ericsson.se (Per Nilsson) writes:
|> >I've connected a tape drive to my Amiga 3000, the drive is supposed
|> >to be a 150M drive. But when I try to write to it by using BTNTape and
|> >gnutar, only 60M is written before I'm asked to insert the next volume.
|> >Do I have to initialize the tape for 150M storage before I write to it ?
|> >The tapedrive used to sit in a SUN server if it's any help.
|> >
|> >Any suggestions ?
|> 
|> Can you give a few more details, like the drive make and model and the
|> tape you're using (DC600A, DC6150, etc.)?
|> 
|> It sounds like the tape drive is using a lower-capacity encoding standard
|> like QIC-120 by default and you'd like to use the higher-capacity standard
|> like QIC-150.  If it's similar to my A3070 SCSI tape drive, you'll need to
|> send a SCSI MODE_SELECT command to make the drive use the higher-capacity
|> standard.  It's pretty simple with BTNTape, but a tech manual for the
|> drive that describes the particular MODE_SELECT needed would be very
|> helpful.

The label on the drive says Wangtek model no 5099EN24, I haven't found any
tech manual for the drive so I'm really hooping that someone knows
anything about this drive. But the drive used to be in a SUN Server,
isn't things like MODE_SELECT the same on all drives ?
The tape I used was a Carlisle DC6150 and they have worked fine before on
the SUN server.

 - etxpnil@etxsj.ericsson.se