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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re:Aust Armed Forces 
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:41:24 GMT

Here it is......

Last night the government of Australia,dropped the ban that prevented
Gays from joining the armed forces.
It will now be illegal to discriminate against sexual preference in the armed
forces (not that it will stop,but at least it's a start.)
The gay and lesbian teachers federation said that the opposition would face
an electoral backlash,if it were to honour their promise to re-introduce
the ban.

The general populace have accepted  this as a fact of life.
One 'caller' said " gays are already in the armed forces,now perhaps they
can continue on with their career ".....lets hope they were right.

Justa cheer up for those feeling oppressed/reppressed.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:18:35 GMT

Phil Earnhardt writes:
#Are you implying some sort of causal relationshiop between this boycott
#and the speed at which the lawsuit gets handled? Interesting.

No, I am implying some sort of causal relationship between the law no
longer being in force, and the boycott ending.

#An interesting point of view. Can you give us some history about how you
#adopted it? In other words, have you had to suffer in the past with boycotts
#because neighbors around you did dumb things?

Look at Phoenix. They lost a lot of trade over the MLK day.

#You're welcome to do whatever you do, Greg. It's just that there are probably
#a lot more effective things to do than Boycott Colorado.

What makes you think that I (or others) aren't doing additional things
as well? 



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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:07:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
>some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.

Some people think they're Napoleon, but it doesn't make them short.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: More Stromer Bullshit
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:39:40 GMT

More evidence to ignore him from soc.culture.african.american:

In article <5DDouB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip  
Stromer) writes:
}      Ronald Johnson wrote:
}         >All I am saying is, dont come on here so called 
}         >'outing' people when you dont have any proof...Magic  
}         >Johnson, 
}         
} has AIDS, or did you forget?  He didn't get it from using a 
} needle, and no straight person has ever gotten AIDS any other  
} way, except Kimberly Bergalis (RIP), but she was an innocent  
} victim who got AIDS from her queer doctor when he transferred  
} his AIDS to her through his fag blood.
} 
}         >Pee Wee *anyone* for that matter could be putting up  
}         >a front, but none of us have any proof either way  
}         >unless we can say that we were personally  
}         >propositioned by them, 
}         
} Not true.  Not one single person has even claimed that Peewee          
} Herman is gay.  He just got caught choking his chicken in an          
} X-rated movie.  That's what most good ol' boys do.  Horniness          
} is to be commended, as long as it's HeteroHorny (tm).
} 
}         >which I think is pretty safe to say is negative. 
}         
} Unlike Magic's blood test...
} 
}         >Besides, they are/were great actors/athletes...who  
}         >cares??!!
} 
} Umm, about 200 girls that let Magic pork them?  One of them is  
} even claiming that Magic *knew* he had AIDS, yet still porked  
} her.  That's called MURDER.

Take this as a clue.  Ignore this asshole.  You would think he  
learned his lesson after being fired from Sun.  I guess some  
dumb fools never learn ...

Donald - It's time for some action!
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:42:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov17.014228.8835
Distribution: na,uk
Organization: insert anything here

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>  Poor Mikey  probably didn't have time for English classes...

	OUCH!  I really REALLY had meant "Marky" there not "Mikey" 
which could be interpreted as an unwarranted assault on Mr. Thomas!
My apologies!

>  Well, neither did Marky, which is why this is not at all clear.

	Um, ahem, yes...

>> 	Is he from Boston?  (That's what I'm inferring...)
>> Well, you know how uptight those Bostonians are..... (or just
>> "tight"), right Mike?  :-)

>  Well, far be it for me to keep up with these teeny-bopper thangs,
>but I seem to recall hearing that NKOTB are from Boston -- and by
>extention Marky Mark too. Oh yes, I've had a few tight Bostonians; 
>it just that damn accent they need to lose. :-)

	Eeeek![tm]

	I spent years getting rid of mine and
after being here for 18 months it's back...

	Peetzer and beah anyone?

BBC
(the middle B is for Bayah, donchaknow)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:21:05 GMT

In article <92328.053515U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>     I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
>gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
>and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
>alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
>the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.
>

Both my brother and I are gay.  And I think that I have an eight year old
newphew who is also.


Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.235608.22978@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>jeffrey joel walls writes:
>#In article <1992Nov13.145920.16839@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>#>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
>#This really pisses me off!  Right now in Colorado (and you obviously don't
>#live here, so what do you care?) the governor is trying to find a way to
>#have the amendment declared unconstitutional.  
>
>And the sooner the governor (or someone) gets the law declared
>unconstitional, the sooner any boycott would end.

Are you implying some sort of causal relationshiop between this boycott
and the speed at which the lawsuit gets handled? Interesting.

Within 10 days after the election, the city governments of Boulder, Aspen, and
Denver, along with many individuals, filed suit to declare the law
unconstitutional. In my book, this was pretty darn fast for governments to get
into gear on this action. I would be mortified if it were actually possible to
influence our Judicial system with coercive economic means.

By the way, the amendment has not yet been signed in to law. Why has the
boycott already started? Presumably, the boycotters intend to show that their
efforts are actually making a difference. Shouldn't they strive to correlate
the boycott with the time frame when the amendment is *actually* Colorado law?

>#I personally voted NO on Amendment 2, and
>#I am not gay, I simply feel that discrimination is wrong (and I'm from
>#Mississippi if that matters to you, which I doubt it will), and that is
>#why I am so pissed off about this big "Boycott Colorado" campaign.  
>
>Whether you like it or not, the actions of your neighbors reflect upon
>you. If your neighbors do dumb things (like pass unconstitutional
>laws) then you suffer. That's life.

An interesting point of view. Can you give us some history about how you
adopted it? In other words, have you had to suffer in the past with boycotts
because neighbors around you did dumb things?

How is it that you know that a boycott will make any difference whatsoever
here?

>-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia

You're welcome to do whatever you do, Greg. It's just that there are probably
a lot more effective things to do than Boycott Colorado.

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Human Rights Ordinance in Cincinnati???
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:12:45 GMT

[]
What ever happened with the O'Banion incident?  Were the
police involved disciplined?  (I'm assuming charges against
O'Banion were dropped - is that correct?)
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Ugly
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:51:28 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <BOB.92Nov17033019@dolores.Stanford.EDU> bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper) writes:
>In article <69666@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton 
>Madison) writes: 
>
>   Try looking at it from the perspective of a Bear who's sick and
>   tired of being "invisible" in the mainstream gay media -- much
>   as many gay people are tired of being nonexistent in the
>   mainstream media of this country.
>
>Well, it is also true that you personally account for a significant
>fraction of the really negative aesthetic judgements posted to
>soc.motss, and you have done so consistently for quite some time.

Amen.

Face it, George, bears are uninteresting to mainstream gay media.  
Only one mag and two  or three 'zines focus on bears.  What little
market there is for such publications doesn't generate enough profits
to be interesting to mainstream gay press.  If you don't like it,
do something about it, but just whining about it is as uninteresting
to me as Marky Mark is to you.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe)
Subject: Re: Oprah 11/19
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:46:28 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov20.040700.26375@col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>(This is from my wife, using my account...it's her first time using
>USENET, so cut her some slack...)
> [...]
>1) I believe that whether a person is gay or straight depends on genetics.
>Therefore, when a person is born, it has already been determined...being
>gay is not "learned behavior that one can change" as the religious fanatics
>would have us believe.  Is this belief correct?

That depends on who you ask, I think.  Proof by example:  my friend Jeff,
who is gay, believes that he was born gay.  I, on the other hand, chose
to persue men (in addition to women) when I was around 22.  My reason for
that was that I like sex, and wasn't getting it at the time, so I looked
for an additional source (and found it!)

>  2) During the Oprah episode,
>several "straight" individuals accused a couple of lesbians on the show of
>really wanting to be men since they chose to dress or "act" like most people
>think men should behave.  My question then is:  Like a heterosexual relation-
>ship, do homosexual relationships generally have male and female roles...the
>more dominant individual portraying a male role?

I don't know about "generally" (dangerous word when used to describe people
or their relationships), but I know that I enjoy taking a passive role with
men.  Hell, I enjoy taking a passive role with women; nothin' like being
actively jumped, as far as I'm concerned.  But some snarks are boojums.

Happy de-muffining, by the way.  Hugs to all!


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are the ones who look the most like they could use some.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.folk-dancing
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: lesbian/gay country/square dance e-mail list
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:20:49 GMT

A mailing list has been created for gay, bisexual, and lesbian fans of
square, country, clogging, and other forms of folk dancing.

To subscribe or ask questions, send e-mail to lgcwsd-request@cc.ysu.edu.

To post, send e-mail to lgcwsd@cc.ysu.edu.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: New Catholic Catechism
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:42:37 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <1e9t9eINN2jd@alice.cs.purdue.edu>
>berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:

>>On my way home from Hickville, Indiana (TM), I was quite taken aback
>>by a national news report that the Catholic Church (TM) has issued a
>>new catechism -- the first one in over 400 years.  It mentions,
>>among other things, a new stance on gays: "One should avoid all
>>unjust discrimination of them."

>>I'm mildly curious if anyone has a more complete copy of this text
>>-- I'd like to see what this section is about...

>If this is true, I will still oppose the weasly language
>"unjust discrimination."

I don't know whether they actually used that language, but in an article
about the catechism in the "Melbourne Age" this a.m., one reads the
following:  "The catechism says homosexuals must refrain from sexual
activity, though they 'do not choose their homosexual condition; for
most of them, it is a trial.  They must be treated with respect, compassion,
and kindness.'"

And this from the people who recently saw fit to pardon Galileo for pointing
out that yes, Jupiter does have moons.  Ugh.

--Brent
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:48883 soc.bi:15459 alt.homosexual:362
From: aschi@silver.lcs.mit.edu (the great leveller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:31:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.ai.mit.edu

In article <92328.053515U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>     I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
>gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
>and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
>alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
>the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.

I'm bisexual also, but no one in my family is gay/lesbian/bi, although
there is one great-aunt I'm really unsure about. :) However I have a
gay friend whose mother and sister are lesbians... I personally tend
to think that it's a result of Nature AND Nurture, not just one or the
other...

Amanda


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: ""Gay rights group files complaint""
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:56:53 GMT

laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
|Thought experiement.  Assume that one has to choose to be queer.
|...


What Laura said.  What *difference* does it make whether it's a choice or not?
If everyone could *choose* whether or not to be black, that would make it okay
to string black people up?!?  Sheesh.

Mike



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"I pray to God that I will not accumulate hatred."
                            --Marcos Antonio Ramos, beaten in the 1992 LA riots
Newsgroups: soc.motss,co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:23:29 GMT

In article <Bxu07p.GF3@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>: As far as the Supreme Court's thinking goes, they have specifically
>: ruled in one case, that homosexuals were _not_ a protected minority,
>: and had no greater status in the eyes of the Court than any other
>: special interest group. This may be fatal to the legal challenge to
>: Amendment 2.

>Are they then prepared to also strike down laws providing protection on the
>basis of marital status or religious beliefs?

I'm not sure I follow this: There is a major difference between laws
that protect certain groups and laws like Amendment 2, which deny
protection: A state can offer additional protections to just about
anyone, but there are limits on which groups may be denied protections.
So law offering additional protections on the basis of marital status
or religion is quite different from Amendment 2, or the case refered to
above.

I any case (thanks to the liberal, activist Warren and Burger Courts)
the minorities to which the Court gives special consideration are,
essentially, the minorities the Justices personally like or feel
sorry for. At least as far as case law goes, the Supreme Court 
can say (more or less on whim) that they are willing to protect
blacks, or members of odd religions, or whoever but not homosexuals.
I personally dislike the whole concept of "prefered freedoms" and
"protected minorities", since these very concepts are nothing
more than an expression of the Justices' biases and prejudices. 
However this is the nature of the Warren and Burger Court's effect
on civil rights case law, and it is also likely to be the main
way of thinking of the Supreme Court Justices that Clinton will
appoint.

                                           Frank Crary
                                           CU Boulder
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Gay issue of Buddhist magazine
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 14 Nov 1992 20:12:34 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

The Fall 1992 issue of _Turning Wheel_, the journal of the Buddhist
Peace Fellowship, has "Voices of Gay and Lesbian Buddhism" as its
theme.

There are fifteen articles of varying lengths on the theme topic...
actually it takes up most of the issue.

One of the contributors is from Oregon and participated in the
work to defeat OR 9.

An aside not motss related, if you should get the magazine there
is a short, darkly humorous story entitled "Tylenol Prayer Beads"
by Jarvis Masters a prisoner in Death Row, San Quentin.

As far as I know the magazine is not sold on newsstands.  For
single copies send $4.00 to:

Buddhist Peace Fellowship National Office
Box 4650
Berkeley, CA 94704

Jack Carroll
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Redheads (was: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.105328.3679@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> 
> But I had the sense that Coren was baiting you [GDM].   No?
> 

No. Not this time, anyway.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48820 rec.pets.cats:14040
From: ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:32:22 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


I agree that there seems to be a real connection between
lesbian/ bi women and cats. I can't speak for the men,
because the ones I know don't have cats (but they do 
tend to like them).  I wonder if this is because cats
are the expression of everything we consider "feminine?"
Elegance, nurturance, independence, curiosity, love!
				Sharon
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48875 soc.bi:15456 alt.homosexual:359
From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie ))
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:57:04 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

<U60145@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>     I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
>gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
>and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
>alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
>the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.

Well my uncle is transexual but apart from that no one (that I know of)


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