From: d89-gsk@nada.kth.se (Gani Skepi)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Islam Revealed #1
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:51:01 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1993Jan10.233839.24770@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu
.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan10.121557.27615@kth.se> d89-gsk@nada.kth.se (Gani Skepi) writes:
|> >To understand why a verse is as it is correctly you may have to look *when* 
|> >the verse was revealed, i.e. in which context. The Jews and the Christians 
|> >actively fought against the Prophet.
|> 
|> There's a difference between "don't ally with Jews and Christians who fight
|> against the prophet", and "don't ally with Jews and Christians, because Jews
|> and Christians fight against the prophet".  The first does refer to one
|> situation.  The second applies all the time; the added clause is an accusation
|> intended to always apply.
|> 

This is what both I and Br. Zeyd is trying to tell you:
*When* you read a special ayat (verse) in the Holy Quran, to understand it 
*correctly* you have to see *when* and *why* it was revealed. 

In Islam we don't only have the holy Quran. We have 23 years of the Prophet
(pbuh) concerning what he did and what he said in different situations recorded.
In this litterature (called Hadiths) you can see the situation when and why the
different verses were revealed. The holy Quran is like the top of a pyramid. 
Below the top comes the Hadiths and below that comes history records and below 
that comes..... It is *not* only the Quran...... 

The Quran is the Words of God, while the Hadiths can be said to be the words of 
the Prophet (pbuh).

So when you read a translation of the holy Quran try to get one with good
commentaries which can explain the case why a certain verse was revealed, like 
the translation of Abdullah Yusuf Ali.

|> >Secondly *true* friendship is based on mutual respect and not on mockery. 
|> >If a person mockers your religion when you are present and you have told 
|> >this individual that you don't like it when he does it. But he continues,
|> >then is this a good friend???? You don't have to agree with another persons
|> >religion but don't mocker it if you want that person to continue to be your 
|> >friend.
|> 
|> Fine.  You don't like it when I criticize Islam in front of you.  I won't
|> criticize Islam in front of you.  But do I also have to stop criticizing
|> Islam in front of everyone else, even if you are not present?  

As long as your criticism (sp?) is based on true knowledge of Islam and not 
on Betty Mahmoody stuff I have nothing against it. You can criticize it in
front of me as long as it is based on facts related to the religion and not
the western media....... 

Regarding criticiseing it when I'm not present, what a person doesn't know
(and wont know) has never hurt him/her.....

And you know I were talking about *true* friendship.
If you where a true friend you would disscus the things you don't like 
concerning mmy religion *before* talking about it with others as you may
be badly informed... 

|>Such as writing books?)

It depends on what you write.
If you offend my mother calling her a bitch I'd propably blow your head off... 
(well it is hard to be a South European.. we have it in our blood......).

Peace
Gani Skepi
d89-gsk@nada.kth.se

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(SAHIH MUSLIMIN)" ... I heard the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) saying: 
He who amongst you should see something abominable should modify it
with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do 
it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength 
enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhort it) from his heart, 
and that is the least of faith."
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