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From: karen@dent.uchicago.edu (Karen Swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:18:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, U. of Chicago

In article <21020152@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes:
>In rec.pets.dogs, kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
>> After losing 3 remote controls, 1 CD, 1.5 photo albums, 6 text
>> books, several plants, atleast a dozen magazines, and a variety
>> of other objects around the house, I decided to muzzle our
>> 7 month old black lab while we are away for *any* period of
>> time.   My question is... can dogs *learn* from having a muzzle?
>> I'm hoping that after a few months of learning that he cannot
>> chew while left alone, that eventually we can remove the 
>> muzzle and he'd act as though he still had one on..  Is this
>> not realistic?
>	For really bad cases of the eats, you can take the last
>thing they ate, place it in their mouth, and tape it in with duct
>tape.  A couple wraps should do it.  They will spend all their time
>removing the tape until its gone, and will never eat that again.  After
>a couple-three episodes, they won't eat anything.  We have three cattle
>dogs, one of them liked shoes in a previous life and was "curred" this
>way.
>					-Shaw
>

How cruel!  I would think that crate training might just be the best
alternative for everyone...including the dog.  A crate can be a very 
comforting place for dogs left home alone, plus there is the bonus that he/she
won't be eating everything in sight!  Please don't duct-tape your dogs muzzle!
(Would you tape your two-year-old child's mouth shut for putting random objects in his mouth?)

--Karen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<Bu1y8w.9L1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:25:10 GMT

The Barbarian Horde (Malcolm and Donal) _loves_ jicama and thinks that
carrots are chewtoys.

They're particularly fond of cantalope--they're my melon Collie babies.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Kennel Info Help
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:23:48 GMT

In article <l9n8ieINNj5i@news.bbn.com> ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen) writes:
>
>
>Has anyone ever heard of a kennel (private breeder?) out in the midwest
>called SunDowner?  There is a pet shop here in Boston that advertises
>that they don't buy their dogs from puppy mills, but I know that they
>buy from a place called SunDowner.  Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Ray Yuen  (ryuen@bbn.com)

I might get flamed here, but what truly reputable breeder who cares
about the puppies they bring into the world would sell to any pet
shop?  The puppies are usually taken away from the mother too early;
shipped for days, sometimes, all alone in a crate; not properly
socialized, etc.  Also, all the breeders I consider to the reputable
and caring, ask me as many questions as I ask them.....they're
checking me out to see if I'm "worthy" of their puppy.  How can they
determine that if they're selling to a pet shop?  SunDowner may not
consider themselves a puppymill because they don't keep their bitches
continually pregnant, confined in cages for day and weeks on end, but
I don't see much difference in the end result.  Have you asked the pet
shop how many different breeds SunDowner breeds?  How many times a
bitch is bred?  Do they show the dog....for conformation, obedience,
hunting trials, etc.?  

schalene
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From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Re - starting to win a little
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:14:30 CDT

 paul@sco.COM (Paul Jackson) writes:

|I thought that I'd post another set of numbers showing that things are
|(slowly) getting better. These come from the newsletter of the Toronto
|Humane Society (I have no more information than whats here, I'm afraid).
|
|"since 1977, the number of dogs admitted to the Shelter has decreased by 57%
|and cats by 33 per cent"
|
|Euthanasia rates	1977	1991
|
|Dogs			55%	8%
|Cats			77%	37%
|
|Still a long way to go, however.


Nice set of numbers, but what do they mean?  55% of what was what?
Does this mean that 55% of all dogs were Euthanized in 1977?  (I
doubt it.)  Does it mean that 55% of all dogs brought to shelters
in 1977 were euthanized?  

---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       member--Minnesotans for Global Warming.
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Newfies
Date: 25 Aug 92 06:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

Thank you to everyone who answered my post concerning the temperment of
Newfoundlands. You certainly confirmed my opinion of the breed. They are
"Gentle Giants"!! I have no idea where this person on the other board
got his opinion, but if he posts again, with your permission, I will
definitly correct his assesment.

Thanks,

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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 . OLX 2.1 . It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
                                                                                        
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco)
Subject: Dogs and Jogging
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:28:14 GMT

Should one wait until their dog is a certain age
before one takes them jogging? Maybe I should be
more specific since different breeds develop at
different rates. But it would seem to me that not
all breeds are suited for jogging (actually I run,
not jog). Which brings me to my second question. 
What breeds like to run with their owners?

Again (if you didn't read my previous post) a Bernese
Mountain Dog owner told me that this breed was not a 
good breed for jogging. That's odd I thought, looks like
it would love to get out there on the trails; it certainly
appears to have the vitality for it.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Dave
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: CHD is not Hip Dysplaysia!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:52:19 GMT

In article <DEAN.92Aug24084457@wind.sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov> dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean) writes:
= >>>>> In article <19510@drutx.ATT.COM>, mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
= 
=  Sky Warrior> CHD or Chrondodysplaysia (sp?) or Dwarfism is a disease found in Malamutes.  This

= Well, I am confused.  I have always read that CHD stands for Canine
= Hip Dysplaycia.  So whicch it, or can CHD stand for either?
= --
= Jack Dean                         dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov

I have always only seen CHD as an abbreviation for Canine Hip Dysplasia.
						   ^      ^   ^
I would think that and abbreviation for "Chrondodysplaysia" would
be either Chd. or chd.  As I recall, "dysplasia" merely means
malformation or something to that effect.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: What about Leonbergers?
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:54:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

(Leonberger, right?  not Leonburger?)

I read an article about this breed in Dog Fancy or Dog World.  Seems
like a neat dog; big, beautiful, and doesn't drool.

So...can anyone else relate more info on the breed?  Also, there
appears to be only one breeder carrying them in the States.  How hard
is it to get one, and how much should I plan to spend?  (Yes, I plan
to call the breeder some day when I know more about the dogs.)

(Just to tie this in, the Leonberger descends from the St. Bernard,
Great Pyranees(sp?) and Newfoundland, so...) are Newfies stupid?  I
thought I'd like to have one, but a friend who investigated them said
they weren't to bright, and then I saw someones .sig that mentioned
something about "the idiot Newfs"...just wondering...

Thanks!

--kyler
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:34:26 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Aug27.144400.22489@unislc.uucp>
     abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:
 
>Other breed clubs have similar programs.  It seems that the place to
>put on pressure is at the national BREED club level, because that is
>where the experts are and where the people who are really committed to
>a certain kind of dog are.  The AKC has too many breeds to be concerned
>with working ability.  This doesn't mean that stance is correct, it
>just is.  And think of all the "disagreement" about AKC conformation
>judging:  are these the same folks we want to judge stamina or "lap dog"
>tests? or do we want breed club "experts?"
 
 
Your point about the AKC being very difficult to move is well taken,
but I still think that is the orgainization we need to focus on.
After all, they ARE the ones that register the dogs, at least in the
eyes of the general population.  For example, when someone asks "Does
this dog have their papers", they aren't refering to UKC, NAHRA,
or any other kennel club or breed organization.  They are refering to
the AKC.  Getting those other organizations to make such a rule would
(imho) have no real effect.
 
PS.  at least in the USA.  Your country may give different milage.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Bichon Frise Question
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:55:44 GMT
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA

In article <l9sd2bINNf89@news.bbn.com> ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen) writes:
>
>
>  I am the new, proud owner of a 10 week old Bichon Frise, and I was
>told by the private breeder from whom I bought my dog that I should
>periodically yank out the fur that grows around the ear canal.  The
>reason behind this is to prevent infections from developing in the ears.
>
>Now this sounds totally logical, but at the same time it sounds rather
>cruel to inflict such pain to my dog.  Is this common practice for all
>dogs that have floppy ears?  Are there other ways in which to prevent
>ear infections?  Any help is greatly appreciated.

There is no pain involved if it is done right (be careful not to pinch
the skin).
There are no nerves to speak of in the ear, so it won't hurt the dog
at all.  I sometimes have trouble grasping the hair with my fingers,
so I have to use a hemostat, which is what the vet uses.  It's much
easier and safer if someone else holds the dog, one had on the neck
and one on the muzzle, so the head won't move and cause the hemostat
to slip and grasp skin.  If you hurt the dog it becomes a lot harder
to get cooperation!
I have 3 Bichon Frises and I have to attend to the ear hair about once
a month for each.  

Regards--
--Rob
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rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
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From: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden)
Subject: Re: non-competitive shows (was Re: Show po
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Reply-To: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:16:17 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article 13837@newshost.lanl.gov, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <5124.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)  writes:
>= 
>= CB>See?  This is what I was talking about when I suggested a non-
>= CB>competitive conformation ring.  It just wouldn't happen.
>= 
>= What would be the point? Why would we even bother to show our dogs, if
>= there was no chance of winning? If we just want to show people our dog,
>= we could go to the park.
>
>The very same point as the AKC Hunting Tests (are the herding tests
>run the same way?):  The dogs are compared with a standard.  After
>all, isn't that what bench shows are *supposed* to be all about?
>Which dog best compares with the breed standard?  What's  wrong
>with also simply having shows or classes which simply judge the
>dogs against the breed standard?  Not as much ego stroking as one
>where "My dog's better than your dog" but not valueless by any
>means.
>
>As I said in an earlier post, I missed the beginning of this thread
>but my interpretation of "noncompetitive" is not that all you are
>doing is parading your dog around (as at "the park") but that the
>dog would be compared with the breed standard.  Perhaps if judges
>were not permitted to compare dogs with each other (often according
>to their own tastes to the detriment of the breed standard) they
>would pay more attention to the breed standard, eh?
>
>
>-- 
>Best,
>
>Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
>	  crs@lanl.gov


Just a couple of comments on the above. The first thing is that there are
only three or four "bench" shows still in existence in this country. Westminster
being the most famous. All other shows are unbenched.

The other being that at any AKC sanctioned dog show the judge IS SUPPOSED TO BE
comparing each dog to the breed standard. There is never supposed to be comparison
between two dogs. I know this isn't always the case, but, it is nonetheless
supposed to work that way. 

Maybe I'm being thick, but I really don't understand the point - any time anything
is judged it is automatically a competition, isn't it?

Russell L. McFadden
mcfadden@nimue.lanl.gov

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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.020250.11373@oz.plymouth.edu> michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
>We are expecting a litter of little germans here on September 16th (YAY)
>and I remember back about 10 years ago when I had my last litter, I
>had trouble keeping track of who's puppy was who's etc...I have heard
>about some little ID collars you can buy, they come in different
>colors or something so you can mark the pups and keep track of
>them...However, I have not been able to locate any through my catalogs
>or any pet stores...Anyone have any ideas???

	I always worry about collars getting caught on things, so I've been
using a spot of nail polish on my puppies. I have them marked on the right
shoulder, left shoulder, left hip, right hip, tail, etc. The nail polish needs
to be "touched" up every 3-4 days or so. Other suggestions I have read about is
clipping the fur in different spots for different puppies or using yarn markers
(e.g., orlon knitting worsted) in different colors.
	Have fun with your puppies! I'm really enjoying watching mine GROW!

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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: non-competitive shows (was Re: Show po
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:28:53 GMT

In article <2AA7A1EF.1668@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In <1992Sep3.161617.19605@ctr.columbia.edu> mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden) writes:
>
>>The other being that at any AKC sanctioned dog show the judge IS
>>SUPPOSED TO BE comparing each dog to the breed standard. There is
>>never supposed to be comparison between two dogs. I know this isn't
>>always the case, but, it is nonetheless supposed to work that way.
>
>When you have 30 dogs that all meet the standard, and only a winners
>dog and winners bitch is picked out, I'm sorry, but they ARE
>competing against each other.

	In breed judging, the dogs are SUPPOSED to be compared to the breed
standard. In the classes, the dog and the bitch that most closely correspond
to the standard should be awarded winners dog and winners bitch. This
assumes, of course, that the judge knows the standard for that breed and
recalls all of the "specifications" for that breed the day that he or she is
judging. If a judge only judges a few breeds, its fairly easy to "memorize"
the standards. However, how about those judges who do multiple groups - we're
now talking about 50 or more standards to remember. With only an average of
two minutes per dogs allowed for breed judging, I'd suspect that many judges
do lapse into comparisons between dogs rather than comparing each dog/bitch
individually to the standard. It easier to judge what you see in front of you
than what you recall from your memory.

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From: isjrc@dcatla.uucp (John R. Caruso)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: 6 mo. old GSD vs. my 4 yo daughter - HELP
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA



	OK, what am I supposed to do? The dog thinks he's a kid.
	He's 6 months old so maybe that's the way it's supposed to
	be but is he entitled to the sandbox??? - he's taken it over.
	He destroys anything my daughter might build in there and
	then when they disagree tempers flare and each doesn't act
	accordingly.

	The sandbox is not the main problem. He's confident. In his
	litter, he regularly beat up on his little sister to the 
	point of her yelping - I saw that 2 or 3 times when we
	bought him at 3 mos of age. Now he thinks my daughter is
	his little sister. The problem is that when he wants to be
	in control, he grabs her with his mouth. We've tried verbal
	corrections, yelping and crying, raps under the chin, and
	even, as one previous poster suggested, a finger down the
	throat (he thought that was a great treat)! He used to do
	the same thing to me and my wife but has stopped altogether.

	Are there any alpha-type excercises I could do with my 
	daughter to establish her as superior? Neutering the dog is 
	definitely in the future. Will that help?

	Other than that he's a great dog. Took to the crate in about 
	4 hours and has never messed in it. Only 2 accidents in the
	house. Craves affection and companionship. The first day
	training with the long lead was frustrating - I couldn't
	fool him!
	
	Many thanks. Please post or email.

John Caruso
gatech!dcatla!isjrc
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Inexpensive Puppy Toys
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:25:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: physio10.kathy_buetow-020992105441
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi there everyone !  

Someone posted a note a while back about inexpensive toys for puppies 
and now I can't find it.....oh well, here are some of the things I do for
my puppies:

- Plastic gallon or .5 gallon milk jugs with a few pieces of kibble inside
make a great toy.....these must be watched carefully though, once there
is a hole in the plastic I throw them away because the plastic can have
sharp edges.

- The cardboard rolls from T.P.,  Paper Towels (*always* in abundant
supply when puppies are around !) and Wrapping Paper.  Watching a 
baby puppy (try to) pull around a 3' long tube is great entertainment.
After a few hours of keep away and tug-of-war they can be pitched
or recycled (O.K., truth be known it takes the average ACD puppy
exactly 1.37 minutes to destroy a Paper Towel roll and there is 
*nothing* left to recycle when they are done with it :-) !!  )

- Stuffed Animals and Squeaky Toys acquired at yard sales.  Take a Saturday
to go out to the sales.....look for smaller, well constructed stuffed
animals
and other baby toys. I have found that those baby teethers that look like
a ring of keys are one of the most popular toys in my "puppy toy box". 
Another unlikely favorite is several of those plastic bowling
pins....little
puppies can't get a grip on them, so they spend hours spinning them around
in their futile attempts !!


- Knot old socks, pieces of denim or canvas (or other strong cloth), or 
go buy your own rope at hardware oe craft stores (size accordingly) for 
"homemade booda bones".

- Plain Old Cardboard boxes make terrific climbing and hiding spots.  

- Get some big plastic hosing (like the kind used for dryer venting) and
viola.....a tunnel !!!

On a related note: when my puppies are teething, I go buy those long
thin rawhide rolls (about the size of pencils).  I soak them in water for
several hours and then pop them in the freezer overnight.  The puppies
*love* the "cold" on their sore gums !!  If you can rescue them before
they are demolished (O.K., so that's a big *IF*), you can soak them in 
water again and refreeze them.

Just a few ideas from "The Crazy Cattle Dog Lady"  !!
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Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Recommendations...
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:29:34 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

I need an indoor/outdoor dog that is both a guard dog as well as 
friendly.  This is my first dog.  I was looking forward to a 
German Shepard but some people said that the dog will be hard to 
train.

Any recommendations...

Thanks

Vijay

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