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From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Another ticket story - help needed!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:11:43 GMT

Situation:  
  Yesterday, carpooling with 5 folks in a Subaru wagon on Rt. 2 in CT.
CT trooper Mustang in center median behind bush with radar.
Second trooper down the road a ways on the right shoulder 
pointing to cars and ordering them to pull over to the right shoulder.
They waited until they had about 12 cars, then the Mustang came
over and they started writing tickets.

  First of all, we probably were exceeding the 55 mph speed limit, which 
our driver admitted to (telling the cop she thinks she was
going 66 - I didn't have time to prep her - she was really nervous).
Anyway, we were in a line of traffic passing a truck (going under the 
speed limit) and what really upsets me was the way the cops ordered
folks over FROM THE LEFT LANE.  I feel that this type of trap
endangered not only the lives of the allegedly speeding motorists and
any passengers but also the lives of the other motorists.
We saw one guy panic when he saw Buford pointing and yelling at him from 
the shoulder that he pulled over in the grassy center median, which
further angered Buford, who then order this guy over to the right.
This poor fellow had to negoitiate through 2 lanes of
traffic (tho light).  Our pullover wasn't this dramatic but
still frightful (and then Buford ordered us to back up a few hundred
feet on the shoulder).
BTW- she got a ticket for doing 70 mph!

  Any help on this matter?  
  How can they give her a ticket and not allow her to see the radar read-out?
  What about the procedures that they used?
  Who would be the best person to complain to about the endangerment of lives?

I told my friend (who never had a ticket in many years of driving) to plead 
'not guilty' and go see the DA before the court hearing.  She could use 
some help/tips since its been a while since I battled tickets in CT.

Thanks for all the help.

Marc
mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Realy esoteric cars.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:30:34 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Jul21.173333.10942@hubcap.clemson.edu> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>From article <1992Jul21.004845.13968@fivegl.co.nz>, by derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):
>> 
>>>Or the over-makeupped rich-*itch who trundles down to the mall in her
>>>spanking new and professionally maintained Ferrari 308GTS and waits
>>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>>around to park it in the space closest to the door.
>> 
>> You mean you would buy a car with that many cylinders and that many valves
>> and all those funny materials and esoteric components and _maintain it 
>> YOURSELF_  Sheesh...
>>  
>What's so intimidating about eight measly cylinders?  And since when is that  
>aluminum stuff a "funny material"?

Sorry, wrong Ferrari.  I was thinking of the ones with 16 Cylinders and 
the big wholes in the sides.  Testosterono I think they are called.
Oh the funny material is leather...

What about the new Bugatti then.  12 cylinders,  5 valves per cylinder and 
4 turbos!.  I would think the owners would drive one of these _very_
carefully and probably fly the factory mechanics in every time it needs
an oil change.

Or the Maclaren F1.  3 seater with the driver in the middle, Formula 1
technology throughout.  Kevlar and wierd alloys.

Jaguar (whatever the number is).

What does rec.autos.driving think of these beasts then?  Any statistics?
Who should get to drive them?  I vote that the owners should have a 
compulsory open day once a year at the nearest private race track where 
we can all go and have a spin.  Idon't mind if they charge a small fee...



>The Corvette driver is staying away from the rusted '76 Malibu because he's
>scared of rust?  Then he for damn sure doesn't deserve that car.  Corvettes
>have always had fiberglass bodies, Derek.  Ever since Number 1 back in 1953.

Whoops.  I was sure I saw an early one in a film (The Presidio) the other 
day with red oxide primer all over it for the rust.  Just goes to show 
that you shouldn't believe what you see on the Television.

Derek Tearne
-- 
Derek Tearne  derek@icl.co.nz or derek@fivegl.co.nz --Fujitsu SDC,Auckland,NZ

My 'self aware' .signature file failed his Turing test.  
It turns out he was just a chess playing midget in a decorative box.
From: f4ax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Laser Detectors - How do they work?
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:33:08 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <spencer.711862954@infs2>,
spencer@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Greg Spencer) writes: 
> joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So) writes:
> 
>>>Laser speed detectors work on the same principles as a regular radar
>>>detector.. after all light is just a radio signal at a much higher
>>>frequency. The biggest difference is that a laser speed detector can
>>>be aimed at one single car among a group. This cannot be done with a
>>>radar detector because the radio signal isn't in a narrow beam.
> 
> 
> 
> Wrong !!! the laser works completly differntly to a normal radar Unit, It DOSN`T use doppler shift , instead it uses distance checks - this is the only way that they can get an accurate speed using a frequency that high!  
> 
> Also most lasers also use two speed checks (four dist) so that an error will be displayed if they try and "paint" your car!

Ok, so does this mean that they have to clock you twice to get your speed?
If it does, what kind of protection would a laser detector offer you?  How 
long are the intervals from being zapped the first time to the second?
Would it be ample time to slow down?

-Jason
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:18:14 GMT

jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
>You can buy reflective vests (and wristbands/ankle bands, etc.)
>cheaply at any bicycle store.  The best of them now combine the
>retro-reflector tape with a fluorescent background.  They come in
>a variety of colors, including, inexplicably, green (bzzzt! wrong
>message!).

The green color grabs someone's attention; unfortunately the orange
colors are used too much so people often ignore it.  Many fire trucks
are now done in this strange fluorescent yellow-green color -- it's
ugly (and I think fire trucks should be red :-) but there's no way you
can say you didn't see the truck.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:02:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving


Some clarification:

I've received several responses to this posting from several newsgroups.
Almost all of the responses assume that my posting was an argument for
mandatory helmet usage. One respondent claimed to be an MSF instructor and
was extraordinarily (even for the net) offensive. (even accused me of 
being a Christian! Well I never....!!!)

If you find words that state that I support helmet laws, you should get
your vision checked. Or work on your reading comprehension.

The Cliff Notes version:

 a. People who ride without helmets are, in my opinion, being stupid.
    (Riding without gloves, jacket, boots, long pants are also degrees
     of stupid.) 
 b. Your crash, if severe, will inconvenience or traumatize some people
    who don't deserve it. Their opinions about bikes & bikers count in
    the ballot box. 
 c. Deer shit happens. And it mostly happens at dusk and at night.


There are times to NOT ride. Is this one?

No! Today is Ride To Work Day!!! :-))

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Summary: Clues on sale at K-mart this week
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:26:59 GMT

I wrote:

>What pisses me off about these fuckers is that they drive them like they are
>at the wheel of a 1940's era fully loaded 12-ton truck. 

In article <zdem0a.711900825@hgo7> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com
(Donna Martz) writes:
>You obvious have never witnessed my driving style Mr. Crudup - and you 
>have convienient deleted portions of my post to make me appear (even more) 
>foolish.   (I do quite well without your help, thank you.)

To which I say-

  WTF? Who the hell's talking about *you*? The reason I deleted a lot of 
  *your* post is because lots of it was irrelevant to what I was discussing.
  (My first reponse to that last sentence of hers was "no shit", but that
   woolnta been nice.)

then I wrote:
>>    ...You're doing what, *10* MPH in a 300ZX!?!)...

so she wrote:
>(This obviously wasn't my Z, perhaps it wasn't even a Z at all.)

Once again, where the hell do you get the idea that I'm talking about
you? "300ZX" here could have been "Corvette" or "NSX" or "F40", for all
I care! I don't even know you!

Is she the only one who can't get this, people? Is my writing style so opaque
I need to take a remedial Writing course?

OK, then I wrote:
>Hell, I just read in MT that the #1 reason Acura Vigor owners picked the
>car was because of "styling", so what do you expect. The review trashed the
>car, and I heard that here as well, so it could be moot anyways.

Which to 99% of the worlds population signified that a lot of cars are bought
for reasons unrelated to what the manufacturer thought people would buy them
for. Ms. Martz, however, replied:

>An Acura?   Would this be included in the group specified by the original 
>   poster.     Jeeeeeeeeeeeess. 

I just realized I'm trying to argue a point with a female, whose sex
*invented* the non-sequitur. (Going gets rough? Change the subject.) Please
go back and read my original article. The *lines*, not the space between them.

>I believe the poster who said these rantings are a release for some who 
>really, really, really want a sports car, but can't have one.

Please explain what my Merkur XR4Ti is. (No points for "Subject to frequent
breakdowns". A whole lot of Brit and I-tal-yun sports cars beat mine to that.)

	-Kenny "Argh! at home, and now on the *net*, too!?" Crudup

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Loaded pickup on a race track (was Re: Men and Women drivers)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:19:12 GMT

From article <1992Jul22.140947.20687@mcnc.org>, by kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof A. Kozminski):
>>
>>After all, I've never
>>seen a loaded pickup traveling along the Indianapolis race track, so why
>>should I expect to travel 120+ over the freeway?
> 
You've never seen a loaded pickup going around The Indianapolis Motor Speed-
way?  Don't feel bad about it.  I hadn't either until this past May 24.  As
I sat there freezing my ass off, several members of the Purdue University
marching band did at least fifteen laps at varying speeds(the last few they
were doing about 90 mph or so down the backstretch) in a GMC full-size pickup.
And I'd say it was pretty well loaded.  There were at least two, maybe three,
people in the cab wiht another six or seven in the bed with "The World's 
Largest Drum", a bass drum that looked to be about eight feet in diameter.
Not the main highlight of the day, but definitely the first after getting to
my seat.  I wonder how fast they were through the corners...

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu



  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: shane nos vettes?!!!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:24:26 GMT

From article <Bry8x9.8wr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman):
>>> Ah dont claim tobe no vette expert but ole Shane know or he thinks he knows tha
>>> t the vette was always made of that there fiberglass.  Weeeellll i done hear th
>>> at some o them early vettes were made of good ole iron.  Then they run off and
>>> discovered that there glass stuff, and from then on the vette was glass.
>>> So yawll git to the bare metal of glass on thison sooon ya hear.
>>> Dont preserve no car use it, just like the ole noodle.  Does no good sittin
>>> in a jar or a garage.  Ah see a saturn in your future? or was that a fiero?
>>  
>>Well, Mr. U53966, I'll be shore to check up on iss here eyeurn Vette stuff
>>that youse a tallkin bout and tell ye the real story.  Now some o the first
>>uns mighta been iron-skinned, but that was probbly afore they figgered out
>>how to work with that there fiberglass stuff.  
> 
> U53966 is full of it. The Vette has always been GRP-bodied. The only iron is
> in the engine block and the frame (and perhaps U53966's rusty memory 
> circuits? ;-)
> 
> Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu
> 
Thanks for the confirmation, Scott.  I checked this weekend with a friend's 
dad, who owns a 1990 Corvette convertible and a slew of reference-type books
on the Corvette.  The closest the Corvette ever came to having an iron skin
was when, early in the planning stages, aluminum was considered, but tossed
in favor of fiberglass because it was too soft and difficult to form for a
semi-affordable production car in the early 1950's.  Steel body panels were
never even an option, as the Corvette designers wanted the car as light as
possible, within reason.

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Four police warnings in 6 months
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:52:54 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>Would someone mind telling me what HOV is

High Occupancy Vehicle -- bureaucrap for "car pool."  Note that the
number of people required is not uniform:  typically three, sometimes 
two. If you note that you're in an HOV lane in an unfamiliar area, 
find out quickly.  It's usually an expensive ticket, based on the
assumption that most HOV violators are commuters trying to cheat,
rather than confused visitors: hence the HOV trap.

As for the original subject: anybody who got four police warnings
in six months, as opposed to four tickets, shouldn't feel abused -- 
he is actually being smiled upon by the gods of motoring.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: rlee@watneys.med.utah.edu (Rich Lee)
Subject: Re: Laser Detectors - How do they work?
Organization: Department of Human Genetics, University of Utah
	<jimf.711738992@centerline.com>
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:38:33


So, how's about adding a 50 W infrared light on the front of a car, preferably with
a wide dispersion like a fog light.  Does anyone know what the emission spectrum of 
the average infrared bulb is (if there is an average one) and whether that would solve
the problem of being detected by different wavelengths within the infrared region?

How would the intensity of light received by the detector due to the bulb compare to
the reflected intensity due to the very narrow beam from the laser?  Any educated guesses
out there?

-Rich
--
Triple Zip-Loc it, then duct tape it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: nelson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Nelson Ge, x5690, Communication Systems Test & Evaluation)
Subject: Seeking more advices (was Seeking advice on claiming insurance money)
Summary: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.213512.10049@b11.b11.ingr.com>, nelson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Nelson Ge, x5690, Communication Systems Test & Evaluation) writes:
> A friend of mine has full coverage of a Honda Accord with All State. The
> Honda was driven by a cousin one day and got totalled by a van with no brakes.
> The accident happened in the middle of an intersection when the van was 
> running a red light. Police report showes that the van was responsible for the
> accident.  How do I get the van's insurance company involved?
> 
> All State agrees to pay the estimate minus $500 as collision deductable. I
> think this should be payed covered uninsured motorist clause with no deductable.
> But I am not sure how to deal with the adjuster about it. Any advice will be
> greatly appriciated.

Allstate is giving me an estimate of $3600 for the car that has a blue book 
value of $5100 (including auto, A/C, and all the power gadgets). I think $1500
difference is not reasonable. Is it possible to get an insurance agent agree
on a blue book number?  What should I say to make them listen to me?

Thanks in advance for any further advices.
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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:42:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Jul22.130008.13906@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, by f4ax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu:
> In article <1992Jul21.165747.13259@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
> ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes: 
>> From article <1992Jul21.004845.13968@fivegl.co.nz>, by derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):
>>>
>>> Rust is like Aids - it transfers itself to your car if the other car 
>>> penetrates the paint... and once you've got rust it will _never_ go away.
>>> 
>> How do you get this?  You claim that if I put a rusty piece of
>> iron next to an unrusty one for a couple of hours, that the clean
>> one will somehow be infected?  The oxygen that is already bound
>> to the iron in the rust will somehow jump off and move over to
>> the other piece?  Why?
>> 
> 
> Jeeeeeeeeeez!!!
> Some people are just so clueless.  I think that the whole thing was
> not to be taken literally, but for the potentiality of damage caused
> by scratch or dent which removes paint.  The metal will begin to rust
> and it creates a weak spot in your paint.  Even if you cover it up with
> touch-up paint, that's probably one of the first places the car is going
> to rust again in the future.  Eats the car up from that point out.  Do
> you get the analogy, do you know what an analogy is???  You must be one
> of those people who had a 4.0 average in school but suffered the eternal
> "F" in common sense.
> 
> 	GET A CLUE!
> 	-Jason

OF COURSE I know what an analogy is, you silly ass.  The point was that
I believe the analogy to be *false*.  You need 50% relative humidity
to get the hydrates of iron oxide that make the iron porous so that
rusting can proceed.  This is, your car does not start to rust away the
instant you scratch the paint.  Since you like analogies so much, I
have a simile of my own, which, if you don't find true, I expect not
to hear about:
	A posting from a .EDU is like an expulsion of intestinal
	gasses: it is loud, and of no weight; it is emitted from
	an anal orifice; it is noisesome to all except its author,
	who, in time, moves on.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 19:07:31 CDT
From: <U53966@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: FAQS (Freq Asked Ques)

Hey how about a sophisticated auto driving enthusiast setting up a few FAQs
for periodic reposting. A few come to mind:
Oils/Lubricants
Radar Detectors
Auto Security Systems
Tires/Batts
Polishes/Waxes/TireCleaners etc
Scanners/Radios/Frequencies to monitor
Any other ideas and a volunteer to do this I'd if i knew how & time *&%^.
From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Driving from Austin to Madison
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:31:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron

Boy I should proof read sometimes, your is not spelled you.
 
 
In article <1682E301A.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
 
>   Boy, how many times have I faced that question. My solution to that
>problem was to read consumer reports and get a very highly rated dependable
>car, to get a membership to an automobile association that assists on
>highway breakdowns, and also to carry a tool box and an electical kit.
>I also always travel on real good tires. But that won't help you because of
>different situations, but I think I can still help. A couple of questions.,
>How good are your tires? Is your car aligned? Are there any leaks in your
>cooling system? When your transmission fluid was filled was the fluid red
>and reasonably clear? Considering what you have done and if you have
>answered yes to all of these questions your car sound pretty safe. But
>for peace of mind if you have a mechanic you can trust let him look at
>the car and ask his opinion on the trip. Carry a tool box, two quarts of
>oil, water, antifreeze, flashlight, blanket, a candle in case you are in
>the Tennesee mountains and get stranded. One candle in your car will keep
>things from getting cold. A can of food would be a good idea. Don't push
>Don't push you car on steep grades, if you cooling system is weak that
>is where you will find out. If your car doesn't react well to the flow
>of traffic get in the right lane and to a comfortable speed. Make sure
>you have a good spare, and that you jack works O.K. This may sound like
>overkill but the countryside is beautiful, you might as well enjoy it.
>Hmmmmmmm is there anything else? I can't think of anything. If all of
>this I said is done then I would have no problems whatsoever about making
>the trip, it's gone 70,000, it should go a couple of g's more.
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:19:00 GMT
Subject: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: assisting roadside emergencies - legal question
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:09:09 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Jul21.192117.16907@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, 
kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok) writes:
> Dear all
> 
> Not knowing where to post, I ask the "rec.autos.driving" group for legal
> guidance.
> 
> Is assisting a roadside emergency a legally requirement?  If I pass by an
> accident site, am I legally required to render assistance?  What if the
> person has a gun?  Can I stay away if I feel scared, or I feel I won't be of
> any help?  Is it true that, in California, you don't have to stop, but if
> you do stop you cannot leave until real help arrives?
> 
> I'm especially interested in California law requirements, because I live in
> California.
> 
> Thanks for any info.

I think that you should ask this question of yourself:  Wouldn't you want
someone to help *YOU* if *YOU* were lying by the side of the road bleeding
to death?  Don't worry though, if there were such a law it would be 
difficult to enforce, so just drive away and ignore the pain and suffering
or even the potential loss of life that you could stop.  I'm sure by the
tone of your questions that you could easily find an excuse to make you
feel better about it. 

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
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