HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Supra XP 500 vs GVP Series II
Keywords: hard drive, ram
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:35:23 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <cline.703366784@ee.ualberta.ca> cline@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Cline) writes:

[...]

>Second, since the GVP is DMA-driven, it delivers better performance on a
>stock 500, but can lead to problems if you want to accellerate your
>machine- typically 500 accellerators don't allow DMA into their ram, so
>the drive performance goes way down as the system compensates with buffering
>and I've heard of problems using AdSpeed with a DMA-based controller, as
>it's cache needs to be flushed before any DMA.

The GVP can handle non-DMA 32-bit memory correctly, unlike many other DMA
controllers (including older A590/A2091's). It uses a buffer in 16-bit fast
RAM which is much larger than the one the FileSystem supplies. With an '030,
you won't notice much of a slowdown at all.

Advertisement On:

If you have a DMA controller that doesn't handle non-DMA memory correctly,
then consider one of SSL's accelerators: they come with a new - greatly
enhanced - version of my program DMAfix, which is even better than the solution
provided by the GVP! ;-)

Advertisement Off.

>Rob Cline

Barry.
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  68881 vs. 68882
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:24:32 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

    Are the 68881 and 68882 plug compatible? Like if I bought a hot rod board
mit 68030 and FPU socket could I plug in a 68881 ('cause it's cheap ) and
later, when I've got the $$$$ plug in a 68882. This isn't a current problem
(I wish!) just curious on how 'upgrade friendly' they are.
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From: dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: What is A1500 ?
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:43:11 EST
Organization: My home system.

In article <1992Apr3.021925.6630@v785.stanley.co.jp> janin@v785.stanley.co.jp writes:
>The question is fully in the title. :-)
>
>A friend would like to know what EXACTLY A1500 is.
>Since I never heard of it before, I hope somebody here did.

  The A1500 is two things; one, it's a marketing package by C= Germany
that is an Amiga 2000 with two floppies.  The other A1500 is a replacement
case for the A500 that gives you a bigger power supply, space for two
internal floppies, a few Zorro II slots, and some other such things.

		-David

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From: dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Need help identifying an Amiga 2000 expansion board.
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:05:05 EST
Organization: My home system.

  I have an expansion card I got for free.  I have a slight idea of what
it is, but I have _no_ idea on how to get it to work or what it's features
are, or who makes it.  Not much to go on, eh?

  Well, the board has the text "MCM [or ncn, it's not very clear] Copyright
1989" then "B. [or D., again, not very clear.] Ricketts"  On the back side,
it says "C^2-ML" then "94V-O" below it.  I belive that would be the
company that printed the circuit board; B. (or D) Ricketts would be the
designer.  It looks like a prototype.  It has an SCSI controller chip on
it, a 50 pin header, and a 26 pin header.  It has a ROM chip missing (the
"2764 LO ROM" according to the silkscreened text), and an empty socket
that says "FDD" beneath it, on the board.  Does anyone have any idea what
this is?  Does anyone know B. Ricketts, or are YOU B. Ricketts?  If so,
tell me.  <g>  I hope someone hasn't stolen your board then given it to
me!  <g>  Please help if you can.  You can respond via E-mail, and I'll
summarize, or post here.  Either one is fine.

		-David

P.s.  Sorry I was so ... rambly.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dano@usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon (wasn't: Amiga Falcon)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:41:38 GMT

janin@v785.stanley.co.jp writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.001701.546@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen) writes:
>>
>>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>
>[about Atari TT]
>>>Does it have a Blitter ?
>>
>>No need for one.  The reason for the Blitter is to remove instruction-
>>fetch overhead from memory operations, and with the 68030 on-chip
>>cache, the TT does just fine without it.

>100% sucked CPU time does just fine for such monotask machines.
>Not for our Amiga.
>That's why we have a Blitter.

What i think he may have been talking about was the fact that
the CPU blits so much better than a so-called Blitter, that not having
one wasn't AS BAD as one mihgt think.

All the same, *I* would prefer to have one rather than not. 

_Dan
.

>P-chan. Hestet Killer Forever.
--
Daniel Anthony Stephenson, player of Praetorius, namer of The Solarium.
dano@srl01.cacs.usl.edu das9674@usl.edu
"I can be, what I want to, and all I need is to get my boogie
down"- Al Jarreau.
From: raki@cats.ucsc.edu (The Berkeley Berserker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: When Is A Grand Slam With 2 Megs, With Out 2 Megs...???
Summary: Need Help With The Simms...
Keywords: Hellllllp!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:21:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


when it's my grand slam....

okay... I got the grand slam... no problem... I'm running 
1.2... slight problem.. the thing won't autoboot... I just 
bought some simms off the net and am all excited about 
being able to finally have some breathing space on my 
machine... 

but, the ram isn't autoconfiguring, at least not right now, 
and not automatically... 

the friend that sold it to me, doesn't have the manuals right
now... and can't seem to remember what the jumper settings 
were for enableing the extra memory... 

if someone out there could take the time to mail me (or post) 
some quick pointers, jumper settings, ways of getting the 
drive to autoboot... ;) I'd be very grateful... 

thanks... 

-Rakishan
From: trygvea@stud.cs.uit.no (Trygve Andersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Death of Pirating
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mack.1992Apr9.162200.4465
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In article <1992Apr9.005213.4701@cheshire.oxy.edu>, leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
|> Crossposted:
|> Summary: Special hardware to stop piracy, using the AFD-technique
|> Keywords: chip, piracy, AFD, Gail
|> Message-ID: <1203@lysator.liu.se>
|> Date: 8 Apr 92 09:36:51 GMT
|> Sender: news@isy.liu.se (Lord of the News)
|> Organization: Lysator Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden
|> Lines: 31
|> 
|> One use of the Gail-chip I have not heared someone on the net mention yet, is
|> that it incorperates the AFD-technique.
|> The first time you use a new Amiga you have to enter a personal code, wich then
|> gets burnt into the Gail chip. Then each time you use new commercial software,
|> this code is transfered to the disk (even if it's write-protected).
|> Each time you use the disk after that, it compares the two codes, and if they
|> don't match, the computer will be permanently blocked, and only CBM service
|> people, will be able to reset it, and they are told to notify the police
|> immediately, if an blocked amiga arrives.
|> You could try to copy the disks before the code is transfered, but Gail will
|> sense it and erase the disks.
|> CBM have been installing the Gail-chip in all amigas since the first of April.
|> 
|> All of the above information from issue #7/1992 of `DatorMagazin' (the largest
|> swedish computer newspaper).
|> 
|> A couple of questions:
|> 
|> 	* Will Commodore recall all old amigas to swap Gary and Gail, since
|> 	  this obviously doesn't apply to the ones shipped with Gary?
|> 
|> 	* Is it really possible for the chip to write on write-protected disks,
|> 	  even on external drives?
|> 
|> 	* Will these disks be usable on old amigas?
|> 
|> Regards,
|> --
|> Henrik Grubbstrom					grubba@lysator.liu.se
|> Lysator Computer Club,
|> Linkoping University, Sweden
|> 
|> Any more info on this?
|> 
|> Thom

This has to be a joke!

Enter code to be burn'd into into the Gail-chip? What about those firms who test
their Amigas before they sell them to the costumers? Can them enter a virgin
Amiga with a spesial "no-burn" code? And how should the Amiga see the difference
bethewen commersial and no-commersial programs? 

My answear to this is that it can't be done because all the possible fuckups this
"anit-pirate" metod could make.

Trygve A.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Comspec SCSI controller vs. Amigados 2.0
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:23:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

I have an Amiga 1000 with a Rejuvenator board, a 2-meg SOTS memory
expansion, and a Comspec SA1000 SCSI controller driving two disks.  All
work fine under 1.3; the controller is set not to attempt to load
kickstart from the hard disks, which lets the system boot from the roms
on the rejuvenator board.

The SA1000 basically has two modes of operation; it can load kickstart
from the HD on powerup, or let kickstart load some other way (from
floppy they assumed) and then autoboot the rest of the way from the
hard drive.  I've never been able to make "load kickstart from disk"
work with the Rejuvenator despite being able to disable the kickstart
roms.  There's no way to simply ignore the HD on powerup; even if you
boot off of an Amigados floppy I believe the controller insists on
initializing itself and mounting the first partition (you have to run a
program to mount the rest of them, but the normal mount command doesn't
get used at all).

My question is:  What is going to happen if/when I upgrade to 2.0?
Will the existing comspec software still work?  Will the existing
autoboot procedure still work?  Does anyone know if Comspec plans to
(or needs to) release 2.0 versions of their driver software, and if
this release would work on the SA1000 controller?

Comspec also has (had) out an SA500 and SA2000 controller which I
assume (hope) is electrally similar to my controller.  Does anyone with
one of these controllers have experience with amigados 2.0?
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                       kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                  +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics
                                              Flame early, flame often.
From: app@shamash.cdc.com ( GSD Advanced Packing/Processes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Fujitsu SCSI compatability question
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:17:31 GMT
Organization: Control Data, Arden Hills, MN


I recently purchased a Fujitsu hard drive and tried to get it to work 
on a Spartan SCSI interface.  I am not having much luck.

For those who don't know what it is: Spartan is a build it yourself
SCSI interface which was featured recently in the AC TECH magazine.
The article was written by the designer and included in the article
was the software which is the driver for it and a low level
formatter.

I believe I've ruled out the possiblity of there being a hardware assembly
error.  I built two and carefully checked them over.  I ohmed them
out and checked all the pins with an oscilloscope.  I also know the
drive works on my A500 with a Supra controller.

I know of at least two hard drive brands that the interface and
driver work with, Seagate and Quantum.

Does anyone know of any subtle difference between the SCSI protocall
required for the Fujitsu drive vs the Seagate and Quantum drives?

Thanks in advance.

					Mike Lundberg
					app@shamsh.cdc.com
From: kanko@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Mark Kanko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Okidata Ol-400 driver
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:19:33 GMT
Reply-To: kanko@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Mark Kanko)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <raymondu.03ea@terapin.com> raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri) writes:
>
>   The Okidata OL400 emulates the Hewlett Packard LaserJet Series II laser
>   ...

[ Note-this is a cross post.  Excuse me if I seem persistant, but I'm not
getting any responses to my posts.  (Am I violating some un-spoken rules in
my posts?  Let me know if I am--I'm a new member of the amiga newsgroups!)]

I've been asking for the OL400 driver because I want to use the "font 
numbers" option in Prowrite.  The HP LaserJ SII driver doesn't support
that.  I'd like to find either an HP L SII that support font numbers OR
a native OL400 that supports font numbers.

--
/*** Mark Kanko   Arizona State University   kanko@asuvax.eas.asu.edu ***/

     "A programmer's word is worth its weight in gold." -- John Shore
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Erik Kolar <ekolar@avocado.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re:  Death of Pirating
Organization: Only Amiga Makes It Possible!
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:36:43 -0500

In article <cholt.02hg@catpan.UUCP> cholt@catpan.UUCP (Charles Holt) writes:
>
>   As a note, Pioneer HAS developed a read/write CD player.  It costs about
>$7,000 if I remember correctly.  I am unable to find the spec sheet on it
>though.
>
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Yes, it is a read/write Laserdisc player.  I believe I saw it in the New
Products section of Popular Science magazine (sorry...don't know what month,
but it seemed to be a relatively recent issue...was at a relative's house).
The article sounded like it was just for video applications, and a "blank"
12-inch laserdisc was like $1200 and the unit was like $7000.  It seems to me
that if you could hook it up to a computer you could create some pretty
interesting multimedia applications.
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From: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon (wasn't: Amiga Falcon)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:35:49 GMT
Reply-To: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <mykes.2475@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

I quote you again:

>>>Total time is less to write a flood fill routine than it is to set up all
>>>the stuff needed to make the OS routine work.

	I gave you a 17 line piece of code that sets this up in assembly. You reply
with a c routine which surely generates far more than 17 lines of assembly,
AND calls a WritePixel, ReadPixel, and SetAPen. Also, your example is
100 times slower (slower enough to be useless) than mine, so it can hardly be
considered a fair comparison.

>No, to be fair, you just have to flood fill what you want to flood
>fill.  And your code is MINUS a bunch of setup stuff.  You haven't
>created a view or opened a screen, set up the rastport, opened
>the libraries, handled the error conditions, etc.  But I'll humor you :)

	I'm humoring you.
	If you want to benchmark (in lines and time to write) your custom copper
list setup versus my OpenScreen, and my RastPort creation versus your
draw structure initialization and read/write pixel routines. go ahead.

>>>Total time is less to write a flood fill routine than it is to set up all
>>>the stuff needed to make the OS routine work.

	^ Do you still assert this? I could post a whole runnable program which
opened up the screen and libraries did the flood, if you'll post an entire runnable
program which does the same with all self-contained code, which runs at
a speed reasonable enough to be useful.
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From: Damian_Maxwell@guru.pub.uu.oz.au (Damian Maxwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: AdIDE w/miniscribe 8425
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:15:02 GMT
Organization: Guru Meditation BBS

simple question,
 Does anyone have an AdIDE running with the above miniscribe 8425??
Thanks in advance.
Please Email replies.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.985b
From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 01:02:33 GMT
Subject: Re: TeX and printer
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware

henrikj@docs.uu.se (Henrik Johansson) writes:

>What kind of printer is "best for the price" if I'm going to use TeX
>heavily?  A 24-pin dot matrix printer or an ink jet printer?  What are
>you people out there using?
>How fast are they?  1 page/minute, 0.1 ppm, 10 ppm?

I'm using a LaserJet IIP with PasTeX's DVIPrint driver, which only outputs
in graphics mode.  Quality is fine (though I have to "manually" account
for the 1/4" non-printing border on the laserjet, so I must offset the
document by that amount...).  Since a full page is about a megabyte, it
takes quite a bit of time to download the data to the printer.  Typically
something over a minute per page.  The IIP+ should be quite a bit faster.
But if it's speed you want, use a printer driver and printer that can
use softfonts.  The LaserJets (at least all modern ones) can, and I
believe DeskJets can also, though they are different fonts.  But you
will need a dvi driver that works that way to take advantage of it.
If you have that and enough font memory and don't use _too_ many fonts
per page, then speed should be limited by the printer laser engine,
not by the dvi driver itself or computer--printer communications speed,
unless you use a slow serial link.

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From: rtrevino@leupp.intel.com (Roy Trevino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: High Density Floppy Drive - still more questions
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:01:55 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ


Ok, so lucky me, I have the new high density floppy in my new A3000T.
So far I have had no problems using this thing as a 1.76mB drive.
It works great for ordinary applications, but what about the unordinary?

Basically three questions (with sub-questions :-)...

1)  How to get bru (ie hdbackup) to recognize and use the extra room
for doing backups.  Bru seems to use its own format and only stores
880k.  I tried fiddling with brutab but the only result was read/write
errors during the backup.  Should I even be trusting this drive for backups
in the first place?  Is there another backup utility I can use instead?

2)  How to make a high density RAD: disk equivalent (ie what parameters
to change in the mountlist) so I can do diskcopies back and forth to it.

3)  If anyone has gotten multidos, crossdos, msh, etc to work with it
to be able to read 1.44 mB pc disks?  (I think this was already asked, but
I never saw a response).


Thanks in advance!
Roy
--
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  E-mail: rtrevino@sedona.intel.com          Tel: (602) 554 2816
From: ludde@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundevall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Death of Pirating
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:58:18 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA

In <44561@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> huebnere@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner) writes:

>>One use of the Gail-chip I have not heared someone on the net mention yet, is
>>that it incorperates the AFD-technique.

>I'm going to go out on a limb here and conjecture that AFD stands for
>April Fool's Day?

Yep, that is correct... (I know the author of the article)

>>gets burnt into the Gail chip. Then each time you use new commercial software,
>>this code is transfered to the disk (even if it's write-protected).
>>CBM have been installing the Gail-chip in all amigas since the first of April.

>April 1st, hmmm...

;-) ;-)

>>All of the above information from issue #7/1992 of `DatorMagazin' (the largest
>>swedish computer newspaper).

>Would that be, by chance, the APRIL issue?

The first of the April issues (there are 14 days between each issue)...

The picture of the new chip which is used in the article is a picture from the
C64GS...

>-- 
>| Robert E. Huebner                   | "Death is nature's way of telling  |
>| huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu          |  you to slow down"                 |
>| huebner@aerospace.aero.org          |   - Unknown Author                 |
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Your fault. Core dumped.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: mike@thor.albany.edu (Michael Ciarfello)
Subject: CSA-MMR and 68882 Math Chip.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:54:59 GMT

I have a CSA-MMR 33 mzh (Economy).  I was wondering what the potential 
problems (if any) would arise if I put in a 25 mzh Floating Point Unit.
(With the 25 mzh crystal).  I can get a good deal on a 25 mzh 68882 FPU and 
was just wondering.
  If no one knows for sure, I can call CSA.

					Thanks.
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State Univ. of NY at Albany               Bitnet:    mike@albnyvms
Student Computer Consultant/Computer Science Major
From: wsimpson@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: multisync monitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:56:53 GMT
Organization: University of Winnipeg

Is it possible to connect a NEC Multisync GS to an Amiga 2000 rgb
output?  I phoned an Amiga dealer and he said that the multisync doesn't
go to a low enough frequency (15 kHz for Amiga) so I would need a
flickerfixer.  Is this true?

If it is possible to hook up the multisync, where can I get the
appropriate cable?

Thanks very much for any help.

-Bill Simpson
wsimpson@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: troy@bluemoon.rn.com (Troy Fridley)
Subject: RE: Segate Drives
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:30:27 EDT

 Well If you ask me they are pretty terrable!!!
 I have an ST-1096N thats makeing all kinds of NOISES!!!!  It's still in 
warrente and its gona cost me:
        
        $15.00 to ship it to them
        $35.00 for them to ship it back to me
        $????.?? of agrivation!
 
  They tell me that it will be a 8 week turnaround time on my drive. I run 
a board and I just can't go that long without a drive.
 
      Troy Fridley

 This is from
     troy@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
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