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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:17:25 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 282

In this issue:
                             one's own room
                         May Helleren - SECRETS
                            Bisexual Rights
                   VT Houses Passes Gay Rights Bill!
                          Sharon Stone on SNL
                  Chicago United Way May Cut BSA Funds
                     Camille Paglia @ Smith College
              (Forwarded) UCLA: Letter from the Chancellor
                           B&Bs at Tanglewood
                           Grad School Money?
                          Sharon Stone on SNL
                          Sharon Stone on SNL
                           Subscription loss
                          Sharon Stone on SNL
                          Bisexual Exclusion ?

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 08:45:50 -0400
From: fsteele@helix.nih.gov
Subject: one's own room

>     We ended up with OUR OWN ROOM, all by ourselves, since no one wanted to
>share space with "that gay group".  And rather than just staffing our office
>8 hours a week (the bare minimum requirement at UT), we are now staffing it
>about 15 hours EACH week!  So guess who got their room assignment renewed,
>without having to share with anyone!

Just a little vignette from my days at Notre Dame....we were trying to get
official organizational status/recognition of the gay/lesbian/bi group that
we had formed, which included the use of a room on campus.  Besides being
told by the respected and revered Fr. Theodore Hesburgh (in tones of
disbelief) "There are no homosexuals at Notre Dame", the then-head of
campus ministry informed us that the only room we could use on campus would
be a confessional.  Kinda funny in restrospect, but not too funny,
considering the man was serious.
Fintan---Out and About

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From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:21:26 +0800
Subject: May Helleren - SECRETS

Forwarded from: alt.politics.homosexuality

I am posting the following song on behalf of my 15 year old
daughter, comments are welcome:

(Sort of thought you people might want to comment on this,
 if you want to flame anyone, do me in, not my daughter...)

- --------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------- SECRETS ----------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------

VERSE 1
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TELL YOUR SO CALLED FRIEND A SECRET,
WHO TELLS IT TO HER BEST FRIEND, WHO TELLS THE NEXT IN LINE.
AND AROUND AND AROUND A CIRCLE GOES YOUR LITTLE SECRET,
THE ONE THAT I SHARED WITH YOU, THE SECRET THAT WAS MINE.

YOU TOLD THEM YOUR LITTLE SECRET BECAUSE YOU TRUSTED THEM,
SO THEY TOLD THEIR BEST FRIEND WHO THEY ALSO TRUSTED TOO.
BUT NOW THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS YOUR TINY LITTLE SECRET,
SO EVERYBODY'S TEASING YOU AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

CHORUS
TWO PEOPLE HAVE A SECRET, TO SHARE AMONG THEMSELVES.
ONE PERSON PUTS THEIR TRUST, INTO THEIR CLOSEST FRIEND,
AND THEY HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND, THAT THIS IS VERY SPECIAL,
BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE KNOWS THE MESSAGE THAT THEY SEND.

VERSE 2
YOU SEARCH AROUND HELPLESSLY FOR SOMEONE YOU CAN TALK TO
BUT THEY WON'T TALK TO YOU, TO THEM IT'S JUST A MIME.
IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO YOU THAT THEY WERE NOT YOUR FRIENDS
THE ONES YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD TRUST UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

BUT NOW YOU KNOW IT'S OVER, WHAT A SILLY MISTAKE TO MAKE,
IT'S ALL YOUR OWN FAULT, YOU SHOULD THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK,
HANG ON FOR JUST A MINUTE, HOW WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW,
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ACTED REALLY SLEEK.

CHORUS

VERSE 3
HOW COULD YOU NOT TRUST THEM, THEY TRICKED YOU DIDN'T THEY,
I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE A BUNCH OF FAKES.
YOU WALKED WITH THEM AND TALKED, AND FELL INTO THEIR TRAP
NOW TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THEM FOR YOUR BODY'S FULL OF ACHES.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HURT YOU SO WHY DON'T YOU GET THEM BACK,
I'LL TELL YOU WHY YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T ACT THE WAY THEY DO,
YOU ARE AN HONEST PERSON, WITH A REPUTATION TO MAINTAIN,
MOVE AWAY FROM THERE, BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID HAS HURT YOU.

CHORUS

VERSE 4
JUST LIVE A NORMAL LIFE AND TRY TO FORGET WHAT THEY DID,
I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, BUT JUST TRY AND DO YOUR BEST.
DON'T JUST TRY AND FORGET THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE.
TRY TO FORGET ABOUT THEM AND ALSO ALL THE REST.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM REGRET
EVERYTHING THEY DID TO MAKE YOU LOOSE YOUR FRIENDS,
THEIR GOING TO LOOSE MORE THAN YOU EVER LOST,
AND TO THEM THE LOOSING NEVER ENDS.

                            May Helleren - April 1992
----------------------------------------------------------------
This work Copyright 1992 by May Helleren.  Comments are welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------------

 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'Smoking reduces your fitness' - Health Authority Warning

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 09:16:23 EDT
From: Tim Pierce <twpierce@cs.amherst.edu>
Subject: Bisexual Rights

rodney@oxy.edu (Rodney J. Hoffman) said:

> But *rights*?  Here I'm stumped.  I can't name a "bisexual right" that's
> missing and that isn't a lesbian and gay rights issue.	That is, the
> rights that bisexuals are missing are all and only the "same sex" rights,
> aren't they?  Right to marry someone of the same sex, etc.  Exactly the
> rights that NGLTF *is* fighting for.

Look at it this way: is NGLTF fighting for any "gay rights" that would
not also pertain to lesbians?  I don't think so.  I find it very
difficult to find any interpretation of the phrase "lesbian and gay
rights" other than "rights that benefit lesbians and gays" -- i.e.
rights for the lesbian and gay community.  As long as the community is
being named, bisexuals should be included.

-
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / twpierce@cs.amherst.edu   /            See it and understand.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:42 EST
From: WARNER@myriad.lib.middlebury.edu
Subject: VT Houses Passes Gay Rights Bill!

The VT House gave final approval to its version of our Gay Rights Bill!!!!
The vote was 73 to 67! The Bill now moves to conference committee to
reconcile the House and Senate versions... primarily minor wording changes
(which included the removal of a definition of "family" which included
same-sex couples) The Governor yesterday restated his promise to sign it,
welcoming passage by saying "It's in the long Vermont tradition of people
protecting people's rights to privacy and their civil rights."
It makes one proud to be a Vermonter!
                                Michael.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 09:59:08 EDT
From: mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: Sharon Stone on SNL

I thought someone would have brought this up, but I guess it's gonna have
to be me...
*sigh* (hands on hips) *snap*

Did anyone who was watching the 11 April 1992 Saturday Night Live (with
Sharon Stone as host) notice the apparent protest in the audience during
her monologue?  As soon as she started her /Basic Instinct/ schtick, what
sounded like 20-40 people in the audience began yelling and chanting and
blowing whistles.  The camera never showed them, but Stone was forced to
stop her monologue a few times when the noise was too much.  It really was
quite loud for a few seconds.  I couldn't make out what they were yelling,
but I did -- I think -- catch the words "gay" and "kills women".  But then
again, those things fit in with what I was expecting to hear.

Anyone know about this action?  Was it QN/NY who did this, or was it
totally my imagination, or what?

Mike!

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 10:15:49 EDT
From: mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: Chicago United Way May Cut BSA Funds

Usually when I pick up a gay newspaper and scan the "news" stories, I think
DUH and then realize that the whole world doesn't have an internet link --
yet.  Rarely do I find something that I haven't read on Queer Nation or
here on RonNet -- whoops, I mean GayNet... ;-)  But this one jumped out at
me...

Paraphrased from the Windy City Times:

The Chicago United Way has announced that it may suspend all funding to the
Boy Scouts of America, Chicago area.  Last Spring, the BSA was notified
that it is in violation of the local UW's non-discrimination policy, which
also applies to all client agencies.  In February, BSA was formally
notified that they are in violation of UW policy.  The UW committee will
decide by 30 June whether to offer funding to the BSA in the next fiscal
year.

Could someone in Chicago please post the Chicago United Way's phone and fax
numbers so that people may urge them to not abandon their policy and
ideals?

Thanks, and peace,
Mike!

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:30 EDT
From: CHOUCK@smith.smith.edu
Subject: Camille Paglia @ Smith College

I have been quietly reading the postings about feminism and Camille Paglia
for the last few bulletins; I am curious to hear more about lectures other
netters have heard.  She came to Smith last friday, and although she was
incendiary, she didn't seem anti-feminist.  She did, however, seem to be
viewing feminism from an angle not seen here at Smith.  Her major points
were aimed against women's studies programs-she believes them to be
 "monolithic"-and against poor scholarship in recent feminist writings.  In
 particular,
she was objecting to Women's studies courses which elevated authors who
used selective stats and data from the media (she attacked Naomi Wolf and
Dinnerstein (sp?) for shallow research and faulty, out-of-context data).
She contradicted herself regularly, and had a pervasive tendency to backtrack;
in many ways it seemed as if she were trying to half-appease the audience
while she irritated the hell out of us.  Highlights:  a Smith student recalled
a quote of Paglia's which stated that "when a woman becomes lesbian, she loses
20 IQ points", and asked Camille if, now that she is defining herself as Bi,
 shehas gained ten of those points back... It was a beautiful, beautiful moment,
and the only one during the entire lecture when C. didn't have an immediate
response.
	What has she lectured about at other schools?  i know she had just
arrived from Williams.
                             Curious,
                                   CHouck@Smith

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From: MAC@hup.ucla.edu
Date:     14 Apr 92 08:36:05 PST
Subject:  (Forwarded) UCLA: Letter from the Chancellor

Forwarded message:
From:     Self <118HUP/MAC>
To:       GayNet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:  UCLA: Letter from the Chancellor
Date:     13 Apr 92 09:02:06

For the perosn who was interested in various wordings of university
policies on discrimination:

"All UCLA Faculty and Staff:

    "Re:     UCLA'S GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITY

    "As you are aware, over the past decade, the UCLA campus has made
a strong commitment to advancing and promoting diversity.  One aspect
of the diversity within our campus community is sexual orientation,
which Regents' policy has included as an area protected from
discrimination.  I am sending this letter in order to affirm our
commitment to doing all we can to provide a safe, open an positive
environment at UCLA for all students, faculty and staff, regardless
of sexual orientation.  Both Regents' policy and our own efforts here
at UCLA support the right of gay and lesbian members of this
community to study, teach, and work in an open and hospitable
environment.

    "During the past two years, UCLA has experienced a considerable
increase in activity to organize and support gay and lesbian faculty,
students, staff, and alumni.  Among several organizations recently
founded are the Lambda Alumni Associantion, the UCLA Lesbian and Gay
Faculty/Staff Network, and the Chancellor's Advisory Committee on
the Gay and Lesbian Community at UCLA.  Student groups and
activities, such as the Gay and Lesbian Association (GALA) and Ten
Percent (gay and lesbian news magazine) have been present for many
years.  These entities, along with many other oganizations within the
broader campus gay and lesbian population, are all working to improve
the campus environment for gay men and lesbians.  Social support,
education and intellectual dialogue, and pursuit of issues of
political and social concern are among their many purposes and
activities.

    " In meeting with members of these organizations from time to
time, we have heard their desire to ensure that UCLA provide an open,
positive environment for all members of the community, irrespective
of sexual orientation.  Specifically, the campus should be a place
where gay and lesbian members of our community have no fear in
"coming out" or being active in organizations, or to pursue issues of
interest to them, no negativne consequences to their status as staff,
faculty, or student should result.  Unfortunately, we have also
learned that these ideal conditions do not always exist at UCLA.

    "I am thus inviting you to join me in extending fully UCLA's
commitment to diversity to the gay and lesbian members of our
community.  In doing so, you will contribute not only to the
improvement of their lives on campus but to the goals and values UCLA
represents for all members of our community."

                                                Charles E. Young
                                                Chancellor


Well I was impressed.  As I said Friday, he was a candidate for the
presidency of the UC system.  It's a shame he didn't get it.  The
bright side, I suppose is that UCLA gets to keep him.

Well rested and tanned from a better than average weekend,

Mac Phillips
UCLA                      warm and sunny all day.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:05 EDT
From: ROBERT MOLLA <MOLLA@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Subject: B&Bs at Tanglewood

Hi 'Netters,

	Jim and I are going to a couple of concerts at Tanglewood this summer
(in July) and we would like to know if anyone has any information on bed-and-
breakfasts in the area that are either gay-owned-and-operated or gay-friendly.

	Thanks for the information in advance,

	Robert Molla
	Brandeis University
	MOLLA@BRANDEIS

					* * *

"You just have them naked on a plate there."
-Julia Child on "Vesuvial Bananas," _Julia Child and More Company_

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From: Ron.DeVrou@p819.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ron DeVrou)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:30:53 -0500
Subject: Grad School Money?

As Program Assistant to the Campus Project at The National Gay & Lesbian Task
Force in Washington DC, I received a request for information about access to
scholarship funds for graduate studies in Clinical Psychology from a student in
LA.  If anyone has information as to where I can direct this gay man, please
post it here are send me an e-mail message.

Also, messages for NGLTF can be sent to me.  We are working on creating a
message base on a national gay BBS system with a complete selection of NGLTF
information and will begin to post (on a limited basis) NGLTF Press Releases
here.

We look forward to hearing from you and hope to be able to use this medium to
communicate to grassroots organizers in a more efficient manner.  Any
suggestions would also be appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:27 EST
From: DAPHNE KUTZER <KUTZERDM@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Re: Sharon Stone on SNL
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Date sent:  14-APR-1992 13:23:17
No, it wasn't Mike's imagination. A friend of mine was in the audience of
SNL that night (not part of the action, though, just an eyewitness from the
balcony.) When Stone started her monologue, 4-6 people started chanting
about killing AIDS, not women. Took a minute for it to register with cast
and crew, then someone yelled and radioed for security while Lorne Michaels
gestured wildly off camera and got v. bent out of shape. One of the
protestors either was missed by the Security Cavalry or got back in and
started up again, then was held by a cast member (Tim Robbins? Is he a
member? Can't remember) until security came again. NYTimes reported next
day that six were arrested for disorderly conduct. My friend, who hung out
with the band afterwards, reports that apparently the protestors got in by
name-dropping--didn't have regulation tickets, or so the rumor goes, which
surprised my friend because security is pretty tight at NBC. Maybe an
inside job, maybe not. Anyhow, so far as I know it was *not* a QN or ACT-UP
sanctioned (right word?) event, but maybe someone knows more than I do.

Daphne.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:52:33 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: Sharon Stone on SNL

          As I heard it from Mike Signorile, a group of NY activists
          (QN affiliated) were arrested at SNL and charged with
          something like "breaking and entering" for disrupting Sharon
          Stone's performance on Saturday night. I'll post more
          details if/when I get them, and I assume NYQ and other
          papers will have the story soon.
          Larry Gross

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Date:        Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:59:10 EDT
From: "AAKL000@CATCC.bitnet  Kevin S. Lowery Catonsville"
 <AAKL%CATCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Subscription loss

Dear Gaynetters/Gaynet Administration:

Sorry if this message clogs up the list, but I have not been
receiving the net for the past few weeks.  Is something up or has
my subscription expired?

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Subject: Re: Sharon Stone on SNL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:25:17 EDT
From: buckmr@rpi.edu

>
> Did anyone who was watching the 11 April 1992 Saturday Night Live (with
> Sharon Stone as host) notice the apparent protest in the audience during
> her monologue?  As soon as she started her /Basic Instinct/ schtick, what
> sounded like 20-40 people in the audience began yelling and chanting and
> blowing whistles.  The camera never showed them, but Stone was forced to
> stop her monologue a few times when the noise was too much.  It really was
> quite loud for a few seconds.  I couldn't make out what they were yelling,
> but I did -- I think -- catch the words "gay" and "kills women".  But then
> again, those things fit in with what I was expecting to hear.
>
So, I was like busy, okay? Shoot me! :-)
> Anyone know about this action?  Was it QN/NY who did this, or was it
> totally my imagination, or what?

Anyway, yes I also saw this [though Godess knows WHY I was watching SNL anyway].
The NYT reported on Monday that 5 protesters were arrested at the studio where
SNL is taped on Saturday night. A Paul Wagner was quoted as saying that they
were protesting Sharon Stone's appearance on the show and her film _Basic
Instinct_. They shouted "Fight AIDS, not Women'' and something else I forget.
There's also an AP story on the event that ran in my local paper. The NYT story
was buried in the back of the Metro [B] section.

I don't believe it was announced whether the protesters were part of a QN
tribe or not.

>
>
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. "D.C. in '93!"
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"A visceral recoil from homosexuality is the natural reaction of a healthy
society wishing to preserve itself." Pat Buchanan, March 27, 1991, N.Y. POST

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:13 EST
From: VERBEEK%HOPE.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Bisexual Exclusion ?

RJ: > I can do nothing for NGLTF but encourage *them* in *their* fight for
    > *gay and lesbian* rights.  They refuse to fight for mine, although I
    > long to fight for *us*, along side of them.

I'm not aware of any statement NGLTF has or hasn't made about bisexuals and
your place or lack thereof in the organisation, so I can't speak to that.
But I can offer my own perspective as a member of the Board of a local
`Lesbian and Gay' organisation.

We're pushing for a change in our local civil rights ordinance, using terms
like `sexual orientation' and `gender orientation'.  If either of these were
added, it would offer protection to people *anywhere* on the Kinsey scale,
from Zero to 6.  This *is* a lesbian, gay, bisexual (and for that matter,
transsexual) issue.  There are bisexuals working on the project, and involved
in many of the other things we do.  We don't check people's sexual responses
before `letting them join the club'.  (There are even a few admitted
heterosexuals active in the organisation.)

I'm not bisexual (to any extent worth mentioning), but my boyfriend is.  And
he's always considered himself to be *part* of this community we usually call
`lesbian and gay'.  And it surprised me at first to hear about bisexuals who
felt excluded from this community, because *I've* never thought of you folks
and your issues as separate from me and the issues that affect me.  (Different,
obviously, but not *separate*.)  It's all about the right to be who we are,
n'est pas?

I guess my point is that not every mention of `lesbians and gay men' is
intended to exclude Kinsey 5's, 4's, or even 1's.  A lot of gay men and
lesbians *do* mean bisexuals too, when we talk about `our rights'.  If I
didn't, my boyfriend probably would've left me years ago. <grin>  It's not
deliberate exclusion; it's usually just laziness, lack of awareness,
and/or habit.  (Note that Vaid *did* refer to bisexuals in her speech, just
not as often as she did lesbians and gay men.)

Bisexuals *should* be mentioned explicitly.  We need to talk about you for the
same reasons we need to talk specifically about lesbians (rather than merely
implying their existence by saying `gay people').  You certainly have a
legitimate complaint there.

But the way to change that isn't to bitch about how NGLTF and other `L&G'
organisations don't care about your rights (a charge I question).  It's to get
involved in those organisations *as a bisexual*.  As long as organisations
are run primarily by gay- and lesbian-identified individuals, they will
continue to think and talk in gay and lesbian terms.  You can't expect things
to be any different.  Bisexuals need to continue to do the same thing in the
`lesbian and gay' community that we *all* need to do in the larger society:
come out, educate people, and articulate your concerns.  No one else is going
to do it for you.

     Cheers, Todd VerBeek

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