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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Words to E Bogle's  TBPWM
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:29:52 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.111406.13583@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Anyone have the words to The Band Played Waltzing Matilda?
>Thanks,
>--
>Ted....


Yes, Ted, I have the words.

TH
From: Melita L Kennedy <mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Tempest Tour Schedule
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:51:31 GMT


Here's a (possibly) updated tour schedule direct from the opening stop
of the tour in Columbus, Ohio!  Great show, not-so-good crowd.  Oh well.

August:

14-15 Dayton, OH: Canal St. Tavern
17-18 Bethlehem, PA: Musikfest
19    Pittsburgh, PA: Rosebud
20    New Hope, PA: John and Peter's
21    Bristol, CT: Common Ground
22    New York City: CBGB's
23    Pawling, NY: Towne Crier
24    Woodstock, NY: Tinker Street
25    Somewhere in Boston
26    Boston, MA: Johnny D's
28    Somewhere in Chicago
29    Chicago, IL: Fitzgerald's
30    Minneapolis, MN: Fine Line

September:

2     Spokane, WA: West Four Main
4     Seattle, WA: Bumbershoot
5     Portland, WA: Melody Ballroom

Dates not listed are shown as either travel or free days.  The sheet
also has the addresses and phone numbers, so if you want any of them,
just e-mail.

Melita Kennedy
mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:5621 soc.culture.celtic:5480
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 13:51:14 CDT
From: <U52535@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The essential Irish/Scots tunes?
 <1992Aug11.152632.12160@st-andrews.ac.uk> <james.713559606@wrs.com>
 <1992Aug13.104137.268@st-andrews.ac.uk>


I am new to this news group as well as new to mainframes as well, I hope I'm
going about this correctly, so here goes! I will be visiting Scotland(Aberdeen)
and Ireland at Christmas time for about thirty days. Are there any people out
there who would like to correspond,either by e-mail or letter(preferably) until
I arrive there. I 'm a university student, majoring in english. So, if your fro
m either Scotland or Ireland I'd love to here from you.

                                                       Mary Ellen Flynn
                                                       3136 W. 43rd St.
                                                       Chicago, Ill. 60632
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Suzanne Vega?
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:26:52 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug12.192846.20569@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wkm1@nestor.uucp (24102-messer) writes:

>I hate sushi,
>He loves sushi,

"I am eating sushi, I do not love sushi, 
 but he loves sushi and I love him"
Title song on "If Only He Could Read My Mind" by Christine Lavin
(currently touring as one of the "Four Bitchin' Babes")

>anyway, there's a whole bunch of verses, and I'm trying to get the
>words to that song, as well as the one she sings to her 'beloved', hoping
>all sorts of nasty things happen to him, and it turns out to be the 
>machine....
  Also Christine Lavin, on an earlier album which unfortunately, and
somewhat appropriately, an ex- of mine appropriated.

>please e-mail me
Not with that return address!

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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Copy whose right?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:34:52 GMT
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company

In article <1992Aug16.232058.24806@hemlock.cray.com>, robd@cherry (Robert Derrick) writes:
>Jon Berger (jonb@Ingres.COM) wrote:
>: 
>: I always thought it was "Ten and Nine"; in fact, I thought that was the
>: name of the song.  On the other hand, I also thought it was written by
>: Ewan MacColl, and apparently I was wrong about that, so who knows.  Maybe
>: this is oral tradition at work; anyway, here's how I remember it...
>: 
>:     Oh dear me, the mills are running fast,
>	[and the rest of the song]
>
>Whoa,
>	Jon, weren't you the one who just gave us a big lecture on
>Copyright, and posted the long copyright legal morass for us, and
>went on to say things about the seedy character of those who would
>rob a poor starving artiste of their intellectual property?

For the record, I am unable to formulate a response to this that is
suitable for public dissemination, so I have responded by email.  I am
inclined to believe that this discussion, if protracted, can do nothing
but degenerate into a series of personal attacks, and I don't see any
benefit in that.  Rob has expressed his opinion of me; I will leave the
readership to guess at mine of him.

I would appreciate if no further followups on this subject were conducted
on this newsgroup.

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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: typical irish music ?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:46:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.082351.8402@cicb.fr>, moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB) writes:
> can somebody say to me what groups are the best irish groups (or
> scottish)?
> 
> i want to buy some tapes and i have no idea which one are the best ...
> (CLANNAD , THE CHIEFTAINS ?)
=========
I'll cast my vote for the Chieftains, especially their first album with
James Galway.

rlwiliams@gallua
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot ...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec.music.folk
Date: 14 AUG 92 07:39:07    


In article <1992Aug13.155555.23530@news2.cis.umn.edu>, wagner@unity.cs.umn.edu (Paul Wagner) writes...
>Ah, an excellent blast from the past.  Mason Proffit is the band, and John and
>Terry Talbot were the main songwriters/vocalists.  I've got two
>of their albums - the first/self-titled one, with the song "Two Hangmen"
>that you described, and "Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream".  Excellent
>folk/country/rock - these are two of the most valued pieces of vinyl I've got.
>I think there were a few other albums, but I'm not sure how many.

In addition to the two you mentioned, there was a third for the same label
whose title escpaes me right now (used to own it, sold it...), then two for
Warner Bros.  After the band broke up, there was a single Talbot Bros. LP for
Warners.

> 
>I'd heard of John playing a religious show in a small town in southern
>Wisconsin in about 1980, but the religious angle kept me from attending
>(you could start hearing it creeping in in their later albums).  Not sure
>what he or any of the rest of them are up to now.  Anyone know more?
> 

Terry Talbot also is doing Christian music, though more rock oriented than his
brother.  They have performed/recorded together a few times since then.  Their
recordings can be found easily at Christian bookstores.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

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From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Vega?
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 22:21:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.192846.20569@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wkm1@nestor.uucp (24102-messer) writes:
>
>I think the song's by Suzane Vega, and goes something like this:
>
>I hate sushi,
>He loves sushi,
>I hate sushi,
>But I love him...
>

Suzane is too much of an *artiste* for these lyrics, these lyrics
are none other than Christine Lavin's.


tim
tim@vestek.com
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:21:47 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Joan Baez

Back in the '70s Joan Baez made a tape which I bought under the name of
"Where Are you Now My Son?"  The tape also contained a song recorded
while she was in a bomb shelter in Hanoi on Christmas Eve (back when
that was the place to spend your holidays.)  On the B side was a song
called, "Marycol," (sp?) which seemed to be a traditional american
(appalachian?) folk song (or good copy, thereof).

I have been unable to uncover any trace at all of the tape or any of the
songs.  I bought it in the Middle East in the late '70s so it might have
been some weird pirate deal.

Any help finding a copy would be greatly appreciated.  e-mail reply
would be best, as I don't read this bboard regularly.

Thanks.

-Peter 
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim)
Subject: Re: typical irish music ?
Organization: NIH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.082351.8402@cicb.fr> moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB) writes:

>can somebody say to me what groups are the best irish groups (or
>scottish)?

>i want to buy some tapes and i have no idea which one are the best ...
>(CLANNAD , THE CHIEFTAINS ?)

Several people at Augusta (WV) Irish week told me that all the ALTAN albums 
were great.  I bought one and found every cut superb.  They have a 
traditional sound and repertoire.  The first Patrick Street album is also 
good, as are several of the DeDanann albums (especially with Mary Black).  
Also the Scottish group Silly Wizard has some great stuff.  For a more 
modern sound based in traditional Irish music, some of Dougie MacLean's 
songs are great, especially Caledonia.  There's a radio program "Thistle and 
Shamrock" on many public radio stations that features the music of the best 
celtic groups and sends out a play list for a minimal charge.  -- David 
Scheim

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From: cmg996@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Martin-Martin Nike)
Subject: I'm going to cropredy!
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:05:32 GMT


I'm going to cropredy I'm going to cropredy 
I'm going to cropredy I'm going to cropredy
Ner ner ne ner ner

It's pissing it down with rain as well.

Fuck it.

-- 
/\/\artin-/\/\artin Nike, Coventry (ARMPIT) University, England.
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"Just like margarine our name is spreading.." - Fairport Convention
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: clhoerth@david.wheaton.edu (Cathe L Hoerth)
Subject: Molly & Tinker cd?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:45:23 GMT


Can anybody give me a review on the new Molly & The Tinker cd "Slightly
Skewed"?  I want to know if I need it.  They were a lot of fun on stage
at the Bristol Renaissance Fair this summer, and I'm thinking of buying
the cd.
Also, does anybody know where I can get hold of some Eric Vogel (sp?)?
I'm not sure I'm spelling him right because I've only heard his music on
the Midnight Special, and nobody seems to carry his music so I've never
seen his name (the obvious earmarks of a novice folkie.  Sorry.)!  I'd
like to find it, and also to know which albums are the necessary ones.
					Thanks all much for help,
						Cathe
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: sfy@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Shane Youl)
Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: New fairport boxed set
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:51:21 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>If anyone out there has purchased the new "Fairport Convention
>25th Anniverary Pack" that Island records just released in the UK,
>can you please post a review?

>Thanks,

>Anil Prasad
>wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

I have the following information from John Lattanzio, who is in the UK
at the moment, and was at Cropredy.

"There is a new release for the 25th...it's a (cardboard) box
containing4 previously un-released FC CDs...
        Rosie
        Nine
        Babbacombe Lee
        Rising for the Moon

The cardboard box is a very weak box...not like a boxed set. It's just
a (nice) green cardboard box which the 4 cds sit in...they just stack
on each other, and fit in this box (like a cardboard wrapper, nothing
like a usual boxed set). The wrapper does say "FC 25th Anniversary
Release"...... Colm says they made 2000 or 2500 of these only, and they
do not plan on making any more....so I nearly bought it for you, but it
was #32....so I didn't. I figure they will continue making the
individual CDs even if the (unimpressive) cardboard wrapper (with 25
writen all over it...) is not continued....."

Some people have all the luck :-))

Shane
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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Seeking a good banjo book
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:25:16 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <16go6jINNf62@agate.berkeley.edu>, sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
> In article <4547@news.duke.edu> tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies) writes:
> #>...sort of the Pete Seeger type of
> #>banjo playing, I guess. (By the way, can someone tell me
> #>what clawhammer banjo is?)
> #>
> #>Thanks for your advice.
> #>
> #>Tristan Davies
> 
> ...You may not
> have the ideal banjo to play clawhammer if you've been
> playing three-finger style. The differences are in
> the tension on the head, the thickness of the head,
> the presence of a resonator, etc.)

That's an understatement, man.  If you try to play clawhammer
style (or any downpicking style) on a banjo that's been set 
up for three-finger bluegrass style, it can sound BAD!  For 
one thing (and PLEASE do this) you need to take the resonator
off and stuff a piece of cloth in between the rod(s) and the 
head (that's like the drumhead membrane that the bridge rests
on).  Then you can put the resonator back on if you want to.
Not doing this is one of the main reasons why people can get
turned off old-time styles.  (There are banjos that are 
specially made for old-time that may not require this muting.)

> To hear what clawhammer banjo sounds like (essentially
> a two-finger, down-picking technique in which the force
> of the whole hand--without finger picks--is used to
> strike the strings) I recommend three albums entitled
> "Clawhammer Banjo," which are available from County
> Records (P. O. Box 191, Floyd, VA--I think it's 24091,
> but you'd better check the zipcode).
> 
> Steve Goldfield

Good albums.  (I can't find the zipcode but I don't think 
it's a very large town.)  

After you go thru an instruction book or take some lessons,
let me suggest the BEST book I know
for a beginner in the old-time styles, a book hardly anyone 
pays any attention to:

	Tim Jumper
	The Banjo Player's Songbook
	Oak Pubications, 1984

This was out of print for a while I think but I'm told it may be
available again; you'll have to get your music store to track
down the publisher/current distributor.  The reason this book is
so good is that the songs are songs you probably already know and
the settings are non-fancy.  Also, lyrics are included.

There's a whole other kind of clawhammer called *melodic
clawhammer* -- I guess e-mail me if you want to get into that
area; I'll send you a booklist.  (I'd learn the basics first
though.)

	- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
From: lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lori Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lakes of Pontchartrain lyrics/music?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:20:37 GMT
	<JCHAPMAN.92Aug11232641@polaris.cv.nrao.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A friend of mine from my deep, dark, distant past used to sing an
American up-tempo variation of this song called "The Lakes of the Poncho
Plains." (!?!)  Does anybody know where he might have got this from? --
I've lost contact with him over the years.

Lori Cole
From: benjamin@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Conjunto Music
Reply-To: benjamin@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:30:38 GMT

Hi!

I recently purchased a CD (Arhoolie CD-317) by Santiago Jimenez, Jr. entitled
"El Mero, Mero de San Antonio".  It is a collection of Conjunto, or "Tex-Mex"
music, and has tunes that are listed Polka, Bolero, Ranchera, Cancion, Cumbia,
Huapango, and Chotis.  The instrumentation is accordion, bass, and guitar
(bajo sexto), plus vocals.

This CD is my first exposure to this wonderful music!  It is played with an
infectious energy and style that is quite different from the other "folk"
music I like.

Can someone point me towards other good "Conjunto" recordings?  (I've heard 
that Santiago's older brother Flaco Jimenez, lately performing with the
Texas Tornados, is also is fine Conjunto musician.)

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Brian

benjamin@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Words to Jute Mill Song, please
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.105955.901@st-andrews.ac.uk>, rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson) writes:
>Chorus:
>
>        Oh dear me, the mill gangs fast
>        the poor wee shifters canny get a chance.
>        Shiftin bobbins coarse and fine
>        they fairly mak you work for your one and nine.
>
>Oh dear me, 
>the worlds ill-divided
>them that works hardest
>are always ill-provided
>we must shift and (????)
>dark days and fine
>to feed and cloth our bairnies
>off of one and nine

I always thought it was "Ten and Nine"; in fact, I thought that was the
name of the song.  On the other hand, I also thought it was written by
Ewan MacColl, and apparently I was wrong about that, so who knows.  Maybe
this is oral tradition at work; anyway, here's how I remember it...

    Oh dear me, the mills are running fast,
    And we poor shifters canna get no rest.
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine.

    Oh dear me, I wish the day was done,
    Running up and down the bank it is nae fun.
    Shifting piece and spinning work, warp weft and twine
    There's no much pleasure living off of ten and nine.

    Oh dear me, the world is ill divided:
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided.
    But I must lie contented dark days or fine,
    To feed and clothe my babies off of ten and nine.

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From: ruslan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robin C. LaPasha)
Subject: Re: Hammered Dulcimer question
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:35:52 GMT

marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug9.164859.5633@news.nd.edu>, bkelly@joplin.helios.nd.edu (b kelly) writes:
>> I've just been given an old hammered dulcimer which is missing its
>> hammers and one string.  I am told that the remaining strings are
>> about 17 years old, so I will probably have to replace them as well.

>It really depends on the condition of the string but you might be able
>to rehabilitate them by running steel wool over the strings to get the
>"grunge" off of them. That usually brings "dead" strings back to life.

>Most HD's have at least 3 different gauge size of strings.

>	-Randy Marchany

I have a question about the "newfangled" strings we're seeing on
BIG chromatic dulcimers...

See, most older and basic 12/11 dulcimers have piano wire (like,
_just_ wire) strings, where the steel wool works fine and they
don't wear out (like guitar strings, for example).

But now the larger dulcimers are beginning to use WOUND strings
on the bass courses, for that deep sound (much like exists on
santouris and cimbaloms, as I discovered at Balkan Camp. ;^))
So what is the lifetime of these brass-wound strings (what IS it
they're made of, normally, anyways?) and how would one decide on
the string gauge of such a composite?  How would one care for
them, since maybe they don't like gentle brushing with WD-40
and cleaning with steel wool like the higher strings?

Looking at the bigger boxes...

-- 
Robin LaPasha              |Keeper of the Amiga
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From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Philly 5 star concert
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:36:12 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA


My poster seemed to go wacky a minute ago, so i apologize if you have
seen this already.


In article <1992Aug12.124207.6933@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> lucchesi@iris611.gsfc.nasa.gov (Rob Lucchesi) writes:
>
>Does anyone up in Philly have any more info about this "5 Star" lineup.  Who
>else is going to be playing?   How much are tickets?  Are they on sale yet?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The concert is Thurs, Sept. 17th at 7:00 at the Mann Music Center.

The line up is:

	Happy Rhodes
	Jeffrey Gaines
	Live
	Shawn Colvin
	10,000 Maniacs

Tickets go on sale this Saturday (Aug 15th).

The will be the first performance by 10,000 Maniacs on their tour for
their new album.

It is a benefit concert for World Cafe and Action Aids.  (Two parts
World Cafe and one part Action Aids)  

There are a limited number of seats in a special "Friends of World
Cafe & Action Aids" section, (supposedly the best seats) that will be
offered at a special open house at the WXPN studios that day.  If you
can't go to the studio, you can call (215) 898-8868 for tickets that day.

You can get tickets from TicketMaster(?) ranging from $25 to $12.50 (lawn
seating) per ticket.  The special seats can be obtained for a $50
donation.



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