From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.211223.19183@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>>Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>>first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
>>
>>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>>25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>>Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?
>>
>>If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
>>in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
>>I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
>>year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.
>
>Last year the Bowls had a self imposed moritorium on selecting teams before
>the third week in November until ND, knowing they still had to play        
>Tennessee and Penn St, basicly told the Sugar Bowl take them now or we
>won't go if you offer later.

Just because you wish that this is the way things transpired doesn't
make it so.  There is no proof that ND "forced" the Sugar Bowl to take them. 
This was discussed here at length last year, with ND-haters loudly claiming
unfair play.  But there was never any proof except in the minds of those
ND-haters.  Yes, PSU was, in my opinion, more deserving of the Sugar
Bowl bid than the Irish were.  But ND didn't hold a gun to anyone's head.

>
>This year there were no moritoriums and no restrictions for selection.
>When the cartel was organizing, PSU wanted to be a part of it but was
>shut out (one less team means more money for those leagues involved).
>The Blockbuster, also shut out, made the first move.
>
>As far as PSU (if they beat Pitt) being 7-4 and going to a bowl, one
>could make the same claim about Notre Dame if they lost to Michigan, BC,
>Penn St, and USC.  A 7-4 ND would be guarenteed a birth in either the
>Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Fiesta.  The Notre Dame wins would come against   
>rough and tumble teams like Air Force, Navy, Northwestern, Purdue,
>Michigan St...   

This may be true, but I'm not positive that ND would accept such a bid.
There is a precedent for them to decline if they don't feel worthy (they
declined a bowl despite an 8-3 record once, I think).  They probably would
go at 7-4 if there weren't a clearly more deserving team, however.

>
>I don't think Penn State fans said that ND didn't deserve a bowl, but 
>Penn State plasters ND 35-13 and gets to play the 3rd place SEC team
>while ND plays the SEC champ (and earns $1,000,000 more), hardly fair.

No argument here.

>
>Amazing, at 7-4, Notre Dame would still earn a better NYD bid than a 
>7-4 PSU and the Irish fans still think they're being robbed.
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Huh??


>
>
>John L


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