HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart)
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:01:26 GMT



(JED and Max Minkoff complain about wharfie flaming people publicly,
and what bad karma it is, and why can't such disagreements be handled
offline, etc, etc.)

And I can't help but feel that you're holding him to standards you 
yourself have been unwilling to live by, Joe.

Have you already forgotten your unprovoked hate campaign against the
members of a private mailing list that was pretty much leaving r.m.gd
alone?  You and Steve had people such as Max--who had *no* first hand 
knowledge of the truth--publicly equating people such as myself with Nazis,
fer crying out loud.  In a very short span of time you managed to generate
*far* more nastiness directed at us than we were being accused of. Far
more.

And what was the point? What was gained? What was the net contribution
to the enjoyment of people who read this group?  Was this the good karma
you're asking wharfie to display?  How do you dare, Joe?  Don't you have
any mirrors in your house?

Wharfie has a quick fuse, and sometimes sees black and white in situations
where I see lots and lots of greys, but as far as I've been able to get to
know him over the years, he seems to be a pretty honest guy. Opinionated,
yes. Devious, no.  He may have no qualms about saying he thinks someone
is an asshole, but I seriously doubt if he would spread lies about people,
or encourage others to do so.

So I think that telling him to clean up his act--while folks like Steve,
and yourself, and andrejko, and "Joseph Hack", and everybody else that's
anxious to join a public lynching of someone they don't even know over
alleged deeds they know nothing about...while this whole cast of diverse
and caustic charcaters does whatever the fuck they please--is spurious,
absurd and hypocritical.

Sure, I'm all in favor of a kinder, gentler usenet.  But I also remember
very clearly who started the last shitstorm. It wasn't Wharf Rat. Nor was
it myself.  So just who are the good karma police, eh?

--bongo  (guitarist, nethead, wheelie, alleged nazi)

         "and in the end the love you take
             is equal to the love
                you make."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Subject: Grateful New Years
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:18:28 GMT

Here it is January 4, and still no review of the NYE Zero show.  C'mon
y'all!

In Florida, we had a very Jefferson (Airplane) holiday, with Kantner's
Wooden Ships, Hot Tuna, and Starship playing in the 3 days surrounding
New Years.  My favorite was Tuna on NYE at the Stephen Talkhouse
in Miami Beach.  At the beginning of the show, Jorma said this is one
of his 6 favorite spots to play.  It is a nice club, and very New York.
Then Jorma said he guessed this should be some sort of special party,
being New Years eve and all, and what we should have is a giant electronic
shower, so everyone could get down and have fun.  At this point, Cassady
began nodding his head and laughing.  My favorite Cassady moment was
during the intro do "Bring It On Home", when Cassady clasped his hands
as if in prayer and looked imploringly at the audience.  He's so cool.

There were some problems with the soundsystem causing Jorma's guitar to
hiss something terrible.  Since they had the same problem the night
before, you might have expected Jorma to be a bit ticked, but he just
moved on over to perform his wizardry on the slide guitar.  The night
before had been hot, with the first set running over into the 2nd set,
after more than 2 hours, but the music on New Years was stellar.  Go
see these guys if you get a chance!

Gail
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Net worth
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:56:20 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1ik4d7INN8ah@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cp068@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph H. Back) writes:
>
>One of these days you will all learn what a sad state the net is in.  There
>hasn't been two bytes of decent discussion on the net in over two years.

["newbie" and dead bashing removed]...
>
>The net is what you have made it, nothing but trash.

The net is what YOU make it.  How did that posting help improve the quality
of the discussions on the net?  If you think there is a problem with the
net, why not try to do something positive about it, like post something
interesting and thought-provoking.

-- Jamie
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@access.digex.com
From: kmalmber@ub.d.umn.edu (kenneth malmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: WEATHER update
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:24:13 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

It was 24 degrees BELOW zero when I left the crib this a.m.
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Net worth
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:26:16 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <C0K3MI.K1n@csn.org> richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin) writes:
>You've got a pretty bad attitude!! I've only been on the net for a couple of months now, and it's been cool, but when I see mail from people like wharfie or
>you it makes ME sick. If you don't like it, DON'T READ IT!!!! Don't tell ME and 
>everyone ELSE how much you hate it.
>BOZO!
>
>*ooohh. My first flame!!

Hi folks,

In all actuality, my impression of this group is that it's been pretty
peaceful for the last few months.  We have school semesters beginning, so
the occasional youngster (not necessarily meant as chronologic) will post some
far reaching, generalized series of flames just to get a rise out of the
net.  If this occurs, do your best to ignore the little one.  If you MUST 
respond, consider email.  But remember:

	Wrestling with a pig in mud only gets you dirty and makes the 
				pig happy.

Regarding wharfie...I'm glad to see him posting here again.  Sure, he flames,
but he also balances those out with some pretty interesting articles.  And
as I've pointed out before, the net is a public forum.  The responsibility
in using such a forum is that you take the good with the [what might be to you]
bad.  Anyone and everyone can post whatever they like...and I remain quite
happy that what we see here is generally germaine to the newsgroup's subject.

When you think there's a real storm going on here, try sashaying over to 
one of the politics groups sometime.  Even at it's worst, gdead is a walk in
the park compared to what happens there.  If you don't have access to those
groups, try listening to Rush Limbaugh or most radio talk shows...there's
some real grimness there.

You all have my best wishes in this New Year.  Thanks for the continuing
good times.

George Lambert

"Almost ablaze but you can't feel the heat"
From: patrick.eckman%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Patrick Eckman) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: JGB Halloween show 92
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: patrick.eckman%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Patrick Eckman) 

TO: jh5h+@andrew.cmu.edu

JH>Subject: JGB Halloween show 92

JH>I am looking for a tape of the JGB Halloween show 92.  This was a 
JH>great
JH>adventure for me and a friend.  We travelled far(from Pittsburgh) and
JH>had a great time.  We even got to meet Ken Kesey during the costume
JH>contest,  we were the skeletons that glowed in the dark.  This is a
JH>great memory and we'd love to have it on tape.  
JH>Thanks and Peace to all in '93

I have a tape of this show. Send me two blank 90 minute tapes, and return 
postage and you will have them too. The tapes I have also have some 
Affordables stuff on'm (they opened for JGB).

peace and happy new year

patrick eckman, 309 West 86th St. Apt 4-A, NY, NY  10024

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From: cjs39035@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Shay )
Subject: Re: Wall of Sound Tape Tree Anounced
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:16:54 GMT


>1E (Dolby B)		Olli Pihlajamaa <ojp@tik.vtt.fi>
>2E				zachary romans <romansz@scrooge.ece.orst.edu>
>2E				niranjan@sbcs.sunysb.edu (T. Niranjan)
>2E				Steven_H._Waltman.Henr801C@xerox.com


I feel sorry for these guys if Olli's snail mail address is also in Finland....
:^) :^) :^)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: raelani, are you out there?
From: Charles Fee <CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:07:03 EST
Organization: The Syd Barrett Appreciation Society
X-Mac-Bust: The Best Way To accelerate a Macintoy is at 9.8m/s^2

sorry to do this folks (especially mailing list folks) but I've come
back to a freshly wiped account, no old saved articles with email addresses..

anyway, raelani madsen-azada are you still out there? You kindly offered
to put some shows on tape for me a while back, but they've not showed up
yet. If you could get in touch, I'd be grateful!

chuck
cxf111@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: usgtemx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tracy Monteith)
Subject: help with mail order
Keywords: Please help with mail order
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:50:48 GMT

I need some help with buing some mail order tickets for the Atlanta shows.
Please send the correct address for ordering tickets(who to make the check
out to etc.) I'm a cherry with the mail order business so I need all info.
including min's & max's, taxes etc.
Thanks in advance.
Also , who do I contact about getting on the e-mail list ?



Jerry made me do it...
From: Nicholas Newlin <nnewlin@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:14 PST
Subject: Re: Poor boys
Nf-ID: #R:apple.apple.com:76410:cdp:1456400106:000:347
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nnewlin    Jan 11 08:14:00 1993


I think the song is about and American-dream-go west young man-
toypre (type) voyage, where he's jsut taking off from Virginia to
start a new life inCalifornia -the Promised Land...as many have doen
before him and afterward.  And the pitfalls he encounters along the way.
    Tide Water 4 10 0 9: TW4-1009; seems like those would be the 7 digits.
From: bobber@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Robert Chasteler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Did I Screw Up???????????????
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:12:48 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


It has been three years since I mail ordered and I just sent off for
the Spring Tour Part 2 in Chapel Hill.  I didn't include the number
of tickets on the outside envelope!!  Is this a REJECTABLE error????


Bobber
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From: kstox@admips2.naitc.com (Ken Stox)
Subject: Re: Hotels around Rosemount
Reply-To: kstox@admips2.naitc.com (Ken Stox)
Organization: AC Nielsen Co.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:34:24 GMT

In article <C0nxow.6xG@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
|> freemanm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Freeman) writes:
|> 
|> >I was wondering if there are any hotels around the Rosemount Horizon
|> >in Chicago within walking distance.  Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> You might try ...
|> Travelodge O'Hare
|> 3003 S. Mannheim, Des Plaines  708/296-5541
|> 
|> O'Hare Mariott
|> Higgins & River Road (about a mile away)
|> Rosemont, 312/693-4444
|> 
|> There's more but they're a little bit further.  As I recall, a public
|> bus runs to the Rosemont Horizon from some the other farther O'Hare/Rosemont
|> area hotels.  You could call the PACE/Regional Transportation Autority (RTA)
|> at 1-800-972-7000.
In fact the bus runs to the "EL", Chicago's subway system. Once you get away
from O'Hare, the rates get much more reasonable. Also, the bus trip after the
show tends to be a blast.
-- 
===============================================================================
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
Ken Stox 	Consultant to A.C. Nielsen	kstox@naitc.com
===============================================================================
From: pcerra@farad.elee.calpoly.edu (Paul Cerra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 2 Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:13:57 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo

In article <ofIMZ0K00WBN41iXIr@andrew.cmu.edu> Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hi,
>[first question deleted]
>
>Were there any shows between Buckeye and Denver this year?
>
>Ken

There were some Jerry Garcia Band shows at the end of July and beginning
of August - all four were in Southern California:

7/29 Wed. @ Universal Amphitheatre
7/31 Fri. @ Ventura
8/1  Sat. @ Irvine Meadows Amp. (Jerry's 50th Birthday)
8/2  Sun. @ Devore Stadium, Chula Vista 

It was right after this mini-tour that Jerry fell ill, and Oregon and the
fall tour shows were cancelled...

Hope that helps.

--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--/--//\\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--\--
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Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo              ||                sleep in a hollow log."
pcerra@gauss.calpoly.edu  pcerra@phoenix.calpoly.edu  pcerra@polyslo.calpoly.edu
From: cp068@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph H. Back)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Net worth
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:51:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cp068@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph H. Back)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


One of these days you will all learn what a sad state the net is in.  There
hasn't been two bytes of decent discussion on the net in over two years.

Many of the good folks left the net last year, and none of you noticed,
until they got caught.

To top it off Bobby and Jerry are selling out big time with this inaugaral
crap.  Pigpen is rolling in his grave.  The Grateful Dead is not only being
embraced by mainstream Amerika, they are embracing it too.

I don't know what makes me sicker, that or the worthless drivel that has
been spewed out in this newsgroup for the last two years.

Take all the newbies and send them back to kindergarden, where they can
play their little games with letters, such as ppppps and that crap.  This
newbie.speak makes me puke.  The newbies took over the rap, and now the net
is crap.  Put the newbie net.god's and goddess's in alt.sex.ego.masterbation, 
where they can wank their ego's all day and get off on it.

The net is what you have made it, nothing but trash.


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dbader@eng.umd.edu (David Bader)
Subject: Jerry Tie Siting on 60 Minutes
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:53:16 GMT
Organization: Professional Student, University of Maryland, College Park

Andy Rooney just showed off his "J. Garcia" tie on 60 Minutes,
1/10/93, but claimed neither he nor his friends have heard of J.
Garcia, so he left the tag on!!!  

-d
From: wuly@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead sighting: Ithaca Post Office
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:58:03 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hey folks-
	I was down at the local helping friendly post office here in Ithaca
New York yesterday Taking Care of Business (along with a whole bunch of other
people) and what did my ears hear as I approached the counter? None other than
Bertha! Truckin' came next, and a fun time was had by all...
	Good luck folks, and did you have them hand cancel that envelope? :-)
zack falin

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: uajg@pool.sunyit.edu (Andrew Germaine)
Subject: Is the mail order over?
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:00:31 GMT


having  found out that my spring break this year has been
moved UP one week, and i wont be able to go to the shows at UNC,
i would like to know if the mail order for series I,
particularly crap center, MD, is closed yet?

basicly, is it too late to mail in an order for MD tix? or do i have to
wait for a kind soul or ticketbastard?

peace. good luck on monday everyone.
by the way it seems everypones lists pass over the on-sale date for
Nassau coluseum. This date is MARCH  6  according to the hotlne.

-- 
Andrew Germaine       | uajg@sunyit.edu   SUNY Institute of Technology, Utica
1212 Brinckerhoff Ave.|  "Whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?"
Utica, NY 13501-4016  |    "If you get confused, listen to the Music play...."
(315)-733-8566(voice) |"And i'm not giving in an INCH!- to fear!" -David Crosby
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Barbara Rockwell" <p00220@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Tape trades gone bad? Help!
Organization: the oasis at the end of the road
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:10:55 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I have had the same problem, and am also curious what the etiquette
is for this problem.  I have had this problem 2 times, and each time I 
have just let it go rather than break a sweat over it.  The first time 
after probably 6 months, the person found my name on a to do list, and 
lo and behold! sent me the tapes and an extra.  So I felt pretty good 
about the whole thing.  

The second time is still pending, and I have recently made contact AGAIN 
with him a few times, to no avail.  I'm not really concerned about my 
missing tapes, but am wondering about the fact that this person is very 
high on a number of trees lately, and I wonder if other people are going 
to get burned, or if I am simply working with a space shot.  Again, I 
also have no desire to post a name.  Comments??

Barb
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Poor boys
Keywords: Promised Land
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:04:41 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <76410@apple.apple.COM> hoffman@Apple.COM (Al Hoffman) writes:
>2. If there are seven digits in that Virginia phone number, did anybody get'm?

	It's the number of the County Jail in Norfolk.


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Emil Petruncio <7039P@navpgs.bitnet>
Subject: Ihor's Legend
Reply-To: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:45:40 GMT

Ihor writes:

|Now, if you should hear this repeated anywhere else, you can
|be sure that you are hearing a "true legend", because I made
|all of this up...  you can tell, just look at the right side
|of the last two paragraphs of this post.  Is there something
|odd - like why do all the lines end at the same column? :-).

Hey... how did Ihor do that?  I mean how did he get the
right side of those paragraphs to line up just right???
Does his mind have some kind of automatic right justify
mode, or was it just luck?  I guess the question to the
answer is "who really cares about paragraph alignment?"
Oh well, at least I can ponder these questions and more
in the relative safety of the Promised Land, and not in
some dreary county jail back in Norfolk, VA :-) :-) :-)

Emil
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Bill Sloan <wls1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Linking up w/ Deadheads
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10: 17:16 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wls1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:01:45 GMT

You link up w/ deadheads the same way youu link up w/ other human
beings...use your imagination but do it safely!

Guffaw, guffaw!  Sorry but I couldn't resist.
Any heads in Europe want to write to this guy/gal ?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sce4350@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Ernst_Guy)
Subject: Quiet
Reply-To: sce4350@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:09:06 GMT


Like Todd says, it was kind of quiet around here for a 
few days until all of the sudden we're finding ourselves
in the middle of some kind of flame war.  I don't like it
one little bit either !!!  :-c

He's also right when he says energy is too hard to come
by to waste it  !  :-]  Let's try to have a nice year
with sparse flames and more goodwill, guys.


Scott

PS I saw another funny bumper sticker & had to change my .sig  /
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From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 48 hours
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:22:37 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers



One point else I wanted to make, Here in the DC/Balto MD area
when the CBS news went on after they "went back" to portions of the show
streesing points and how it related to the LSD/Rave scene here
in MD.  

They did mention in their brittle brattle goings on that
the dead will be in the metro DC area in the spring.

No doubt the anti-LSD undercover squad will be all over the Landover spring
stop as well as the rest of the tour trying to stop it or at least put it
in jail.

I just dont want to see YOU going to jail for 10 years.

Peas and Tomatoes


                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1
david@sandr.com 
...uunet!sandr!cherise!c-cat!david
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: pjpg1258@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul J. Pearah)
Subject: Personal to J Lancia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:27:10 GMT

hi john -

about your tape decks - the Denon will make better-sounding tapes, because
it has HX Pro, which the Yamaha does not.
From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: GD and Andy Rooney
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:52:52 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers


last sunday on 60 Minutes, During his several minutes Andy Rooney mentioned
Jerry Garcia and the GD. He was wearing one of the J. Garcia ties from the
collection. He Said something like... Who is this Jerry Garcia ?, oh he is
a member of a band called the Grateful Dead.
Now Andy is a deadhead.  I think its becoming popular to be famous and
recognized with the GD. huh?


                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1
david@sandr.com 
...uunet!sandr!cherise!c-cat!david
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Help Request on new lifestyle
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:41:49 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <9950040@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>any *bibles* of the vegetarian life style.  much thanks in

	Diet for a Small Planet?   As far as cookbooks go, Moosewood's
pretty good.  Lots of recipes (from other sources) work fine if you
just leave the meat out.  A little soy in the sauce works for flavor.

	One thing that doesn't seem to work is substituting tofu or 
some other substance for meat, like TVP or tempeh.  You usually get something
_farther_ from what you wanted than if you just left it out.
From: news@isc-br.isc-br.com (news user)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Personal/Steve Zerenner
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:18:12 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company


Sorry for the personal folks, again


  Steve,

 I have been receiving your mail but there seems to be a problem for me 
sending email to anyone with hp.com in the address. I think right now it
would be better for you to send blanks for the tree. I can still get your 
email so you might let me know that you read this.

Thanks


Lennie Carlberg
N 3001 Martin
Spokane,Wa 99207
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