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From: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:23:38 GMT


In article <1dfa56INNp31@fido.asd.sgi.com>, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
[...]
> If any of you is familiar with the SPL language on the old HP3000's,
> it too used "<-" (the back-arrow, I mean) as an alternate assignment
> operator in addition to ":=".  It was quite popular in the early days
> before people moved away from the old TTYs to more modern terminals.
> 
> Which meant that on later displays and printers one ended up reading
> old code that looked like:
> 
>   x _ x + 1;
> 
> (Shudder..) Worse, some of the *really* *crusty* old-timers continued
> to write code like that, too..
> 

The S language uses "<-" (not a back arrow, those two characters) as an
assignment.  "_" is a valid substitute, so  "x _ x + 1;" is correct.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Spacewar history (was: What was the 1st computer game?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:53:50 GMT

wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.091841.23601@news.columbia.edu>,
>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) wrote:

>>[Details of implementing spacewar on a Oscilloscope omitted]

>> So, how does a video version of any of this do justice to the original
>> features?

>We did something similar on an IBM 1130 back when I was at Amherst College
>in the early 70's.  It had a vector type CRT disply based on a Tektronix
>storage tube.  If you turned down the holding voltage, the image wouldn't
>store and you could animate by constantly redrawing the image, as Charles
>describes. Since the 1130 was not a particularly fast machine (even by the
>standards of the day), we did all sorts of interesting optimizations:  all
>arithmetic was integer, with trig functions done by table lookup.  
 
Actually, the use of integers only is "traditional": the PDP-1 didn't have
any floating-point hardware, so by definition everything on it was done
in integer.  

The Spacewar program includes a sine/cosine program credited to Adams
Associates.  The header commentary claims a timing of "2.35-?" msec;
the program itself is just 50 lines of code.

For that matter, the base model PDP-1 didn't even have integer multiply
or divide.  Those functions were extra-cost options; what you got normally
were 'mus' and 'dvs' (MUltiply Step and DiVide Step) where the iterations
were left as an exercise for the programmer.

The sine/cosine routine comments have a note that the code was changed
to use the "auto multiply" feature in January 1963.

Joe Morris / MITRE
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:43:42 GMT

In <1992Nov10.005510.2131@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
>The PDP-3 was a paper machine, a 36-bit system that was never implemented.

In _Computer Engineering_ by C. Gordon Bell, J. Craig Mudge & John E. McNamara,
published by Digital Press, Bedford, Massachusetts in 1978, on page 141, a
footnote says:

*In 1960 a customer (Scientific Engineering Institute, Waltham, Massachusetts)
built a PDP-3.  It was later dismantled and given to M.I.T.; as of 1974 it was
up and running in Oregon.

[ ??? When did M.I.T. move to Oregon ? ]

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From: probreak@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Unix administration horror stories.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:38:50 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.ksu.ksu.edu

xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:

>lennart@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Lennart Benschop) writes:
>> Just my Unix (well it's Linux) administration horror story:
>> 
>> I installed Linux (a free Unix clone) from the SLS distribution.  The SLS

>Where can I ftp linux from?

>Daniel Max P. Drucker

>=============== mertwig!xyzzy@jaflrn.uucp ==========================
>#define slogan_1 Don't pick on me, I'm only 14.
>#define slogan_2  Hey! Lets port it to COBOL!

>Difficulty! It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe!
>Hi, I'm a .sig virus! Copy me into your .sig and spread the fun!
>=========== uupsi!utoday!jaflrn!mertwig!xyzzy ====================== 

Try tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/SLS and get the README file.

This is the SLS distribution that most people use to install linux. You
can install what you want from it and leave the rest alone. (i.e install
a kernel, gcc, and a few utils but no X or TeX).

James
From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Value of a PDP-11,VAX-11/750?
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:12:02 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:

>In article <1di80bINNgst@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) writes:
>>Power is a little more of a problem. The one we've got had
>>2 15A power cables - we hacked the ends to fit the 10A sockets we've got,
>>and plugged it in. Worked fine. Even managed the VAX, a fridge, an urn,
>>a largish photocopier, and a microwave oven on the same circuit. Until
>>someone opened the microwave door and the light came on :-(

>Reminds me of the day I was running my 730 in the basement (VAX, R80, and
>RL02 all on the same 15 amp circut, along with who-knows-what-else in 
>this house...), and some friends came over to watch some videos. Pressed
>PLAY and wham! Pretty fun :) 

I regularly run 2 RL01, 2 RK07, 11/34 cpu, 120W of lights, on the same
15A circuit. It's pretty close to the limit though -- adding anything
bigger than a Hayes modem trips the breaker. I remember the first time
it went, just after hitting RUN on an RK05. It was after dark, and
the above setup sounds pretty much like a small jet engine when its
all running, and all of a sudden my housemate saw the lights go, heard
everything spooling down, and above that wafted the one word "shit".
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.misc
From: ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods)
Subject: Re: How is the Net financed and what does it cost?
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 12:10:17 GMT

kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:

>>This is all very well, but what on earth are Top Ramen?               

>Why, it's only the greatest invention in the history of science!   Imagine,
>you take some dehydrated noodles, put them in some water, put it all into
>the 'wave and cook it for a few minutes.  Take it out, (I drain the water,
>but some people leave the water in) add the flavoring (indescribable 
>wonderful flavoring) and you then have the answer to hunger and famine
>the world over, and it tastes good too. :)
Ahh - Robin, we call it "Pot Noodle"(TM)!!!

(The greatest invention ... ???)

Eoin.
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From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:46:43 -0500
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Nov8.034229.7196@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>... I've just recently been learning
>perl, where $_ is the default operand of a lot of commands, and @_ is the
>array in which subroutine parameters are passed.  D'you suppose Larry Wall
>might've spent some time programming in SPL...?

Unlikely, he'd surely adopted the SPL's usage of 's as word separators
in identifiers (instead of now-common underscores) :-)

It was great to write C'MON, DARLING in a parameters list :-)

--vadim
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: Re: PDP-8A 500
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:58:55 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Nov13.002118.15603@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies) writes:
>
>I've just aquired my first 'real' PDP-8 to go with my DECmateII :-)
>I was told that I was getting a PDP-8A but when it arrived it was a
>PDP-8A 500 (according to the front panel). It doesn't look like the
>photos of 8A's that are in "Computer Engineering - A DEC view..." (which
>is my bible of old PDP photos :-)
>
>Does anyone have any further information? From the little I know about
>the system there are three boards making up the CPU (floating point
>too???), a core memory board (my understanding was that 8As had
>semiconductor memory), a console serial card and a controller for the dual
>RX02s.
>
>This is a repost of an article I posted to alt.sys.pdp8. I received no
>replies to my posting, so I'm assuming that (for mysterious reasons) my
>posting didn't escape from here....
>-- 
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A repost now (besides being unnecessary in light of this post) would now get
onto most peoples news sources.

To answer the question, no, it's not an 8/a-800, so it has no FPP.

The 8/a 500 is an obscure box with 12 slots, but inlike the 8/a 400 it doesn't
support MOS memory, rather it supports core.  There may be a restriction to
only two modules total, thus only 8K or 16K depending, or 16K to 32K if it
can support two pairs.  There is no battery backup, etc.

In all other ways, it's an 8/a 400.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:20:12 GMT

Re the original use of DACs and an oscilloscope to make the Spacewar
display:

I'd *really* like to see somebody implement that, as a gadget to be used
with an oscilloscope.  Good oscilloscopes are now quite abundant, even
if the screens are a bit small.  Let's see... maybe you could run the
game on a PC using the printer port for output, and alternating between
two DACs for X and Y axes; or maybe some custom interfacing is needed,
or even implement it in a microcontroller such as the Motorola 68HC11
series.  Any takers?

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From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Unix administration horror stories.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:56:20 GMT
Reply-To: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)

lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re) writes:

>pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:

>[ ... ruthlessly hacking at pertinent info ... ]
>>The problem is that there are no *free* 286 unix packages like there are
>>for the 386 (386BSD and Linux).  The cost of buying the commercial
>>286 packages will roughly approximate the cost of upgrading your
>>system to a 386 (and then getting a free OS).  For example, you could

>Almost true, 'cept if cash is a _real_ problem, one must keep in mind
>that Minix will run floppy-based and neither Linux nor 386BSD will fit
>comfortably in less than 80MBytes (that's an opinion, based on my
>wanting at least 200MBytes disk before I try either out).

I have no experience with 386BSD, but with linux, this is untrue.

With shared libs working (and very stable now-a-days), most every binary
is rather small... A "full" linux system will run in under 50M (including
X11, the full emacs distribution, groff, etc) and will fit in under 30M
if you don't want X11 or the full emacs info files, lisp files, etc...

note the 'Followup-to: comp.os.linux'  I don't wanna start a flamewar.. =)
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From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: value of a pdp-11,va
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  11:09:06

 byh@simile.engin.umich.edu 
   (Bartholomew Hsu) asks:

> I happened to be wandering through U of M's Property Disposal
> building (the place where they sell off discarded and/or obsolete
> equipment) and  happened to see a PDP-11 and two VAX-11/750s at $200
> apiece.  They appear to be intact, but I can`t tell if they are
> operable.  My questions are 1)Are these worth $200 and 2)How can I tell
> if they are in working order? Can any of you out there in net.land help
> me?  Thanks in advance. 

   I recently sold my PDP-11/03 with 512K and two RL-02 30 meg 
disk drives for $250.00 and my VT-200 for $25 (which I wish I 
hadn't). I'd say it depends on the -11. Is it a 70 with the cool 
purple front panel? Or a 45 that makes for a suitable anchor?





... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: tom_vanvleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:15:04 GMT


> dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=) asks
> >> What was the very first computer game?  When I say computer game, I
> >> mean a game that would not exist without the computer. (ex: ZORK,
> >> Adventure, Pac-Man, but not computer Tic-Tac-Toe or computer chess.)

When I was an MIT freshman in 1961, spacewar was played on TX-0, 
("Transistor Experimental 0") in a room on the second floor of 
building 26. This machine had 48K of 16-bit words and I/O thru 
flexowriter, tube, & wooden controller boxes with switches on them.
I forget if they had joysticks.  Spacewar was known to be so addictive
that freshmen were advised to avoid it for fear of flunking out.

tom_vanvleck@taligent.com
From: xexeo@dxcern.cern.ch (Geraldo Xexeo)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: HP Monitor models
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:11:34 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

In article <1992Nov12.172127.25913@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas) writes:
> Just noticed something very weird in an installation booklet for a
> HP monitor. It was for the models 1734C and 1734D (probably got the
> number wrong here), and stated that "1734C is sold in the northern
> hemisphere and 1734D in the southern hemisphere".
> 
> I really can't think of an explanation for that... 

  Coriolis force is different in both hemispheres. Since HP terminal uses
electrons with positive spins in the northern hemisphere to compensate for Corilois effect in the video, in southern hemisphere they had two options: 
first to modify the project of the monitor in a way to conpensate the error, what would cause the duplication of the prodution lines. Second, just change the piece that polarizes the eletrons to generate negative spin! 

  The names C and D (instead of P and N, for positive and Negative,
or N and S) were given by HP to honour the engineer who had this 
very clever idea, Charles Dwindle. He is supposed to have saved millions
of dollars to HP and retired immediatly after HP payed him his prize. He now
leaves in Florida. I knew him during 3 years and can say that was not his
best idea, but it was the one that made him more money.

  NOT!

                       Jerry
From: ercm20@festival.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:43:53 GMT

rhutchin@pilot.njin.net (Roland Hutchinson) writes:
> [[[ how to diff printed text mechanically ]]]
> ...  Such a
> machine superimposes the images of two pages and then switches rapidly
> back and forth between them.  The tiniest differences fairly jump off
> the page as they appear to flash at you.

In astronomy this is called a blink comparator, I believe.  Way back
when (tm) I used the technique to spot differences between graphs I'd
drawn on an Apple ][ - just load the images into the two alternate hires
screens and swap between them on keypress. 

Sam
From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway  was: Re: Correct pronunci
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 08:35:21 EST
Organization: LORC Enterprises

welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch) writes:

> handle this problem." It's quite possibly the funniest memo I've ever
> seen. If there's enough interest I'll type it in.
> 
> ...arun

Oh, please do!!!  Give me something to show some of the other guys here...


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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:26:30 GMT

In article <jcmorris.721403981@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>
>The PDP-6 had a color display which DEC management was pushing (to nobody's
>surprise; in those days a color display sale meant BIG BUCKS).  The DEC
>programming staff was writing the code to port the various utilities and
>such to that platform so they could do something useful and/or impressive
>in color, but the work was going very slowly.  When management complained
>(as management is occasionally known to do) about slipped delivery dates
>the response was that the the interface to the color display was so complex
>that there was no way that the code could be reworked quickly.
>
>The programmers' argument lost some of its credibility, however, when the
>programming staff came in one weekend and constructed an operational port
>of Spacewar to the color display.

My understanding is that the only one ever made is the one I saw years ago
at Project Mac on the PDP-6 there, and that was quite unreliable, but
functional the day I was shown a collection of demos for it.

>
>And speaking again of Spacewar: I heard some noises a year or so ago that
>someone was working on a PDP-1 emulator for some desktop systems.  If one
>exists I might even try to run my old PDP-1 Spacewar source listings through
>an OCR system and see if they work: given the complexity of the code perhaps
>Spacewar could be used to validate the emulator in the same way that 
>Microsoft Flight Simulator for years was the acid test of a PC clone's
>quality.

Fine, how are you going to emulate all of the nuances of the D-A 'scope
interface that makes Spacewar subleties actually function?  (Not on a video
device!).

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:41:23 GMT

In article <BxIDz1.2Fw@mach1.wlu.ca> veen2976@mach1.wlu.ca (veenstra christopher) writes:
>>>
>
>Okay, Spacewar is the unanimous winner of that one.  Here's a followup then,
>what's the first computer adventure game?

Why, Crowther and Wood's "Adventure", of course. :)

These are too easy.

mdw
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From: tope@imdpy1.im.se (Torbj|rn Pettersson IMPU)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:45:50 GMT
Organization: Industri-Matematik Data AB, Sweden

In article <Bx0DDA.BH7@ns1.nodak.edu> (alt.folklore.computers), person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person ) writes:
> In article <TOPE.92Oct30081605@imdpy1.im.se> tope@imdpy1.im.se (Torbj|rn Pettersson IMPU) writes:
> > But they do have an undo button! Hit the emergency-stop button, and
> >you do not only get to select your new destination, you also erases
> >all other destinations already selected, and the elevator will take
> >you straight to your floor. 
> 
> Doesn't this also ring an alarm, cause fire to reign from heaven, and cause
> other 'undesireable' things like security people askig you questions.  
> 

 Nope, not where I live anyway. There's a separate button for doing just
that. However, after trying that button out and not reciving any help we
decided there wasn't any "security" people watching the elevator.
(We trying the alarm-button had to do with getting stuck between two
floors for a couple of hours after one of our "pass-by-that-floor"-rides
went wrong.)

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: RICHARD@ttt.kth.se
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Organization: Department of TeleTransmission Theory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:11:53 GMT

In article <79aDTB6w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:

   The modern exchanges should be able to be programmable to respond to a 
   given tone and accept it as a deletion of the most recently entered 
   digit. I know of no modern exchange that immediately sets up the 
   connection with each digit.

The problem is that connection is often set up as soon as a uniq number is
entered, valid or invalid. If I type 777552 instead of 777551, how do I delete
that last digit?

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From: saxe@proline.cs.unc.edu (Eddie Saxe)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: That "net.views" thread.
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:18:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <OLDMAN.92Nov4011229@titan.ucc.umass.edu> oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone) writes:

>	By responing to this message, you are agreeing to the terms
>that you will send me a check for $100, made out to Tig Stone, and
>will do 25 pushups a day.

Okay then, I won't respond.  I will, however, followup to your article.

Eddie "Had to be done" Saxe
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