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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Ravi Shastri (Indian team for 1st test)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:18:27 GMT

In <1993Jan22.235012.7526@dvorak.amd.com> rajiv@dvorak.amd.com (Rajiv Malhotra) writes:

>In article <C19Iyn.3B0@cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:

[parts of Bharat's article deleted]

>All the issues you brought up have been troubling me too. Maybe,
>just maybe Ajay Sharma is the answer. He is an allrounder.
>A much better bat then a bowler though. The other choice is 
>Chauhan, a much better bowler than a bat. 

	Ajay Sharma is another one of those strokeplayers, of whom the
Indian team has an overabundance. He can be extremely useful in the
ODIs in the slog overs, but his recall for the Tests is a bit more
mystifying. He isn't the answer, because he doesn't make the batting
any more solid. And as a bowler, I believe he's getting to be more like
Raman.... We need a replacement for Manjrekar, and Shastri is the only
obvious candidate.


>>Finally, since I believe we must have 5 bowlers, it allows much more
>>stability to the lower order -- if we choose 5 bowlers for the 1st
>>Test -- we will have a tail of Srinath, Kambli, and Raju -- 
                                          ^^^^^^
	Umm.. I'm pretttttty sure Bharat means Kumble here :-) But I
beg to disagree, these three aren't as bad as the spin trio. Each of 
them has the ability to score a few (10-20) runs, and if there's a
frontline batsman at the other end (fat chance, eh?) some useful
partnerships may result (e.g. the third Test in RSA).


>It beats the hell out of me as to why Yadav has been dropped. He
>is supposedly a much better bat than More ( Is this something 
>to do with the 30 xtras in the 2nd ODI?). This would allow more

	Absolutely, Yadav is definitely more of a genuine batsman than
More. Don't blame the 30 extras on him, there were no byes, a few
no-balls, several wides and several legbyes.


>>No question in my mind.  We need Ravi Shastri to open the Test team, 
>>and we need him badly!

>I agree. I think we will see him in both the tests and ODIs
>as soon as he is fit. He will strengthen the ODI team by being
>the 5th bowler AND the slogger.

	Yes, I think he'll be back in the team when he is fit, and is
bound to do well on the placid Indian pitches.

>>Bharat
>Rajiv


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From: howard@grace.cri.nz (Howard Silby)
Subject: Re: The best ever Test  XIs
Organization: Gracefield Research Centre
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:22:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.190936.15582@nmsu.edu> sbasu@kirk (BASU) writes:
>
>I've decided to make a list of all time great XIs from Australia, England,  
>India, New Zealand, Pakistan & the West Indies for Tests.
>
>NEW ZEALAND
>-----------              certain batsmen:
>John Wright
>Glen Turner              *Stu Dempster*
>Geoff Howarth            *Martin Donnely*
>Martin Crowe             
>Bev Congdon              This would mean too many openers, but some could
>Mike Burgess (vc)        bat in the middle order. Congdon and Burgess would
>John Reid (c)            be nowhere near the class of the above.
>Sir Richard Hadlee                                            
>Ian Smith (wk)           and bowlers:
>Lance Cairns
>Danny Morrison           *Jack Cowie* (unanimously
                          regarded as NZ's 2nd best bowler)

Good try if your not a New Zealander but it looks like an `NZ 70s and 80s team'
not an all time great XI. To which you might respond "But NZ hardly won any
matches before then". This is true. But for a brief period decades before NZ
had a strong team which most certainly would have beaten England in England had
they not accorded them the absurdity of 3 day tests. (all tests were drawn
not surprisingly).
Donnely was regarded as the best left-hander in the world immediately
post WWII, Dempster was world class. Both have 50+ test averages. Among
Donnely's greater achievements was a test double-century at Lords.
Bradman was one of many who have paid tribute to Cowie's bowling. 

Regards,
Howard
Applied Mathematics Div.
Gracefield Reseach Centre

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From: sagar@ECE.Concordia.CA (Sagar Naik)
Subject: Re: Card at 2:45 pm...
Organization: Concordia University - Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:43:42 GMT

In article <199301240413.AA17760@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> heard@postoffice.utas.edu.au (George Heard) writes:
>
>Australian batting card at 2:45 on the 2nd day of the Aus/WI test at Adelaide
>
>M. Taylor       c. Hooper b. Bishop       1
>D. Boon         retired hurt              2
>M. Waugh        c. Simmons b. Ambrose     0
>J. Langer       c. Murray b. Benjamin    20
>Extras                                   24
 ^^^^^^                                   ^^
>                                         91 / 3

So Mr. Extras is the leading batsman so far. Why don't the Australians
include him as a "regular player?"


Sagar
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From: sakthi@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sakthi (K.E.SAKTHI) )
Subject: Re: Leading Test Averages.
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:23:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.075400.99@iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au> WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA) writes:
>In <1993Jan18.224754.12134@ennews.eas.asu.edu> sakthi@enuxha.eas.asu.edu writes:
>> 
>> This is simply too atrocious a statement to make. Kapil was/is considered 
>> one of the four greatest allrounders, cricket has ever produced. Sir ! Do
>> you really know what that means? 
>> 
>I don't think he's one of the best four ever. He was one of the best four in
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the eighties, but to rank him ahead of players like Sir Garfield Sobers and
>Keith Miller is ridiculuos. He would probably be in the top ten all-rounders,
>along with guys like Davidson, Benaud etc, and just behind Imran, Hadlee and
>Botham.
>
			[ Deleted ]

I did'nt explicitly rank him above Gary Sobers. May be i should have worded it
this way. He was one of the four best allrounders who played in the 80's and 
i am deleting the "ever" from that statement. I hope you must be happy now.

Gary is certainly one of the greatest allrounders, cricket has ever produced.
							- Sax -

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From: skumar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shivesh Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:44:10 GMT
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Bhaskar Natarajan (bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu) wrote:

: opening, common sense told me, there was NO ROLE for a grafter in THIS
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: But i'm damned if he did !! He's taking 1's and two's every two balls or so
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: (keeping his own avg. at a run a ball, mind) and leaving Malhotra to face
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: bulk of the overs.

: brought on Richards and Harper from both ends. Even then, it is Malhotra
: who takes charge, slogs and is now doing better than Gavaskar. But now,
: Gavaskar takes most of the strike and doesn't even go after Harper,Gomes
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 2-3 sixes and a few fours. ( i believe out of his 86 odd in 96 odd balls
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 30 odd came after he faced 80 balls) The run rate magically starts dropping 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	Look, the outcome was never in question, but one thing i'll never
: reconcile myself with is why the f*&^ Sunny plodded around to Harper and
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: the spinners, when there were batsmen waiting behind. He occupied nearly
      ^^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: the entire inning (if his figures show a strike rate of 90 odd, it is truly
: sad because the ground realities were otherwise) The Bottom line is:
: 	"He didn't even play the role of rotating strike properly"
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: Regards and Ciao
: Bhaskar

Very well described, but when someone is TOTALLY BENT on *leg pulling* 
rather than accepting facts there is no point arguing. 

regards,
shivesh.

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From: mamohamm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL)
Subject: Javed Miandad
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:32:12 GMT


	If the news of Javed's been sacked as Captain of the 
	Pakistan is true, then it is an utter disgrace to
	Javed and Pakistan's cricket. Javed, through out, his
	career has been unjustibly treated and denied by of his
	rightful place by the BCCP.

	While Imran was the gutsy one, Javed has always been 
	the strategiest.

	In my opinion, Javed does not deserve and does not have 
	to take this kind of treatment.

	I have had it. (finally)

Regards,

PS. Azhar should be sacked (should have been long time ago) and
    Manjekar <sp> be made the captain of the Indian side.
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From: skumar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shivesh Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: ravi shastri
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:50:47 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

this a test..

SHASTRI HAI HAI..
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From: sbasu@spock (BASU)
Subject: Re: England team prediction . . .
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:53:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150206.9303@lut.ac.uk> eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel)  
writes:
> Here is my prediction for the 11 who might be selected for the 1st test
> in culcatta 
> 
> Gooch
> Atherton	

> Smith		<= Stewart

> Gatting

> Stewart	<= Smith

> Hick

> Lewis		<= Jarvis

Scrooge

> DeFreitas
> Salisbury / Jarvis
> Malcolm
> Tuffnell
> 
> Paul Taylor (12th Man)
> 
> If Malcolm is seen as ineffective, then in the subsequent tests he will  
be 
> replaced by Taylor.  I also feel Salisbury will be chosen ahead of  
Emburey if
> they decide to play 2 spinners.  Jarvis unfortunately will be chosen  
only if
> an extra pace bowler is played.
> 
> In the batting they pick themselves.  Fairbrother will probably be  
considered
> as an alternative tto Hick.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Cheers . . .
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 'ALL TIME GREAT INNINGS'
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:42:41 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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In article <1jmgbhINN2m5@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> spt@engr.LaTech.edu (Shyam Prasad Talluri) writes:
>	By now everyone on the network would have known me as a staunch
>	Gavaskar admirer.But now I would like to post some of the great
>	innings Iwatched or heard.The two of the great innings I can 
>	readily recollect are :
>	(1) Gavaskar's 101 at manchester England in 1974.
>	(2) Visvanath's 97 n.out at madras in 1975-1976.
>
>	I watched visvanath's 97 notout at Madras.I reckon it as the best 
>	innings Ihave ever seen.The wicket at Madras looked bald with absolutely
>	no grass on it. Pataudi the Indian captain won the toss & decided to 
>	bat. India didn't have gavaskar as he had been out with a finger 
>	fracture.India lost Engineer,solkar,pataudi,gaekwad in quick succession.
>	The predictions that the pitch would play truly quickly dissappered as
>        Andy Roberts started breathing fire and was almost unplayable. 
>	Ashok Mankad stood in for a while, then the mastery of vishy's batting
>	wat to be seen to be beleived. Against a four pronged pace battery of
>	Roberts,julien,boyce and holder and also the spin of lance gibbs
>	Vishy played a truly great innings.He played some awesome drives
>	on either side of the pitch but the stroke that remains in my memory was	a square drive of Andy Roberts off the offstump which left Clivelloyd,
>	Vivian Ricfards and Lance gibbs applaud in appreciation.The next day
>	I remember 'THE Hindu' gave the details of the way vishy caressed the
>	W.I attack showing allthe strokes played by him.I can't remember any
>	better innings than that, it was a real peach, and only vishy can 
>	play such type of innings.
>
Here's a rumour about that innings by Vishy - I have no way of determining its
veracity. But it makes a good story all right.
  Vishy, as you know always had a soft corner for the bottle. Apparently, the
evening before that Test, Vishy got drunk silly. The team manager, perhaps
Umrigar, got totally pissed off at him. Luckily Gavaskar and Venkat took him
away and locked him inside his room before further trouble could occur. The
next morning it was 0/2 (?) and everybody was wondering whether Vishy would
actually come out. After ages (it seemed) Vishy walked out with bloodshot eyes
- did'nt say a word to anybody - and proceeded to play perhaps the best innings
ever played on Indian soil.
  As I told you, it's a good story. It was told to me by someone who was a 
relative of Venkat.

Sudhama>    
>
>         
>        Shyam.p.Talluri
>
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: West Indies team for fourth test
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:40:55 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <lm88tcINN5oa@news.bbn.com>, ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B)) writes:
> In article <3125.2b607d88@vger.nsu.edu>, j_graham@vger.nsu.edu writes:
>> I cannot believe that the West Indies have dropped Jimmy Adams.
>> If you have 4 fast bowlers, we do not need Hooper's bowling and we
>> probably need Adam's batting more.  Besides Adams has earned his 
>> place in the team. 
> 
> True on every count, except perhaps the point about not needing Hooper's
> bowling.  Evidence last night when Benjamin appeared to be slightly
> hurt.  However, the bowler does not HAVE to be Hooper.  I think in a
> crunch we could have used either Simmons or Adams to give one of the
> fast bowlers a rest.
> 
> But the big point is Adams.  I can see no reason why he is not playing.
> True, Arthurton did have a Test century earlier in the tour and Hooper
> is a better bowler, but Adams is a much more stable bat than either and
> it has been our batting which has been failing us.
> 

After the 4th test it will be hard to resist his inclusion!  Hooper should go
see a sports psychologist.. Too much talent to waste it like that.

> 
>> With our suspect batting lineup, I think that 7 batsmen should be tried
>> in this test. If we had failed to win with 7 batsmen then I could see us
>> gamble some more. Anyway I am rooting for them.
> 
> With Ambrose bowling the way he his, I think we should have the MCC
> change the laws so that we can just have Ambrose bowling from both ends
> and play 10 batsmen!  It's about time there was a rule change FOR the
> West Indies... 
> 

Wish we were so lucky..  They'll ban the chest ball next:-)

>  
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> 
> Chico.
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From: drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Tim May v Greg Matthews
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:27:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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	Well in one innings Tim May has taken more wickets than Greg Matthews
would take in a 5 test series. I assume this means Greg Matthews will never
play a test again (I hope).
 Sqaud for England IMHO
Langer 
Hayden
Boon
Martyn
M Waugh
Taylow
Border
Healy
Zoehrer
McDermott
Hughes
Dodemaide
Reid
Julian
May
Warne
******** who's number 17.
O'Donnell, Jones I have no idea.
From: j_graham@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Future West Indies team
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:05:38 EDT

In the past two years, the West Indies team has gone through a few changes.
It is my hope that they will go through a few more. My wish for a future
West Indies team would look something like this

1. Desmond Haynes
2. Young specialist batsman
3. Richie Richardson
4. Brian Lara
5. Jimmy Adams
6. Keith Arthurton ((Or another specialist middle order who scores 100's)
7. Murray or a another competent keeper who is a better batsman
8. Ian Bishop
9. Curtly Ambrose
10. Courtney Walsh
11. Specialist fast bowler who takes wickets.
12. Specialist opening batsman as a replacement for Desmond Haynes.
13. Rajendra Dhanraj
14. specialist middle order batsman.
15. Young very quick raw bowler.
16 A backup keeper.

I am not a fan of allrounders. I believe that when a person is selected
they should make the team as a batsman, bowler or wicketkeeper. I do not
believe in selecting good fielders(logie). I do not believe in selecting
wicketkeepers who cannot bat( Thanks to Dujon).

Even if you are winning I do believe that changes can be made. We kept
Logie at no. 6 for all these years with the expectation that he may give
us a useful 40 or 50 now and then. Specialist batsmen, when given the 
chance should score centuries.

I am very partial to batsmen who are willing to bat as long as possible.
Batsmen like Jimmy Adams, Keith Arthurton (even although his technique
against the moving ball stinks) and even Phil Simmons. It is still
inconceivable to see test batsmen like Logie and Hooper score a good 50
and then get out like school boys.

Jonathan Graham (Bajan on the net)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:26:03 CST
From: Sikander Waheed <U17868@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: AKRAM CAPTAIN OF PAKISTAN.

In article <ash-260193185355@spac-at1-51.rice.edu>, ash@spacsun.rice.edu (ABBAS
HASAN) says:
>What took them so long to make the decision? Javed was never a good
>captain.
Why Javed is not a good captain? Tell me some points where you think he took
the wrong decision.
>He (Javed) lacks maturity and patience (remember the incident in this world
>cup when he was jumping like a frog trying to imitate the indian keeper?).
 IS this the reason why you think Javed is not a good captain? If yes, then you
 know very little about cricket.
>As for people who say that perhaps one of the other senior players should
>have been made captain, I have this to say:
>
>                        Malik: Good player but his place in the team is
>                               not very certain.
                 What makes you think that Malik's position in team is in jeopa
rdy? He is not dropped from the team since last 5 years or so !
Wasim Akram is my favourite player. Whether he is a good captain or not only ti
me can prove. He doesn't have experience in leading a team even in first class
cricket. What I am worried is about his performance.

Sikander Waheed
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: Javed Sacked as Pak Captain
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:56:37 GMT

A friend of mine conjectures that the Khan had something to do with this
removal of Mianded from the helm. Apparently there is some talk of Imran
becoming the manager/coach of the Pakistani team in the near future.
Well, well...I wonder if this is indeed true...

Mahesh.
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:38:47 -0500 
From: "Rajesh R. Naik" <rn2c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Video recordings of '92 WC

If any one is interested in seeing some of the highlights of the 1992
world cup matches, I have highlights of most of the matches played
except the finals and Ind Vs Zim. Send email to me at
rn2c@andrew.cmu.edu. BUT it will be necessary that the tapes ( about 5
tapes all together) be returned back without fail it part of my
collection.  (PS. the tapes can be viewed on the american system). It
was recorded by a friend in the West Indies.
From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Standard of SL U-24's Opposition in RSA
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:45:23 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Yogala Nesiah writes
> SL U-24 in South Africa:
> For instance, how strong was the Western Province Team that got bundled out
> for 62 runs?

I would say pretty weak -- I haven't heard of most of them (and I'm from the  
Western Provice), but then that may say more of my knowledge of the players  
than anything else :-)
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From: sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar)
Subject: Re: Couple of World Cup 92 stats needed
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:56:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.012251.23107@nmsu.edu> sbasu@mccoy (BASU) writes:
>In article <C17vMD.1sK@cup.hp.com> pshah@cup.hp.com (Pankaj Shah) writes:
>> :    1. Which batsman scored the maximum runs. (including finals/semis)
>> Martin Crowe
>> :    2. Which batsman had an average of 100+ in WC 92?
>> Crowe again.

Did Crowe AVERAGE over 100 in the world cup? He scored the max runs
but I think his average was in the seventies. I could be wrong.
I'll have to check the stats I have at home.


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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Vishvanath's last series
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:42:28 GMT

In article <Jan.25.18.01.24.1993.14054@maya.rutgers.edu> govindra@maya.rutgers.edu (S Govindarajan) writes:

>I disagree with your opinions about Vishy. In his last series Vs Pak
>in '82, I think his highest was 37 in 5 tests and he wasn't even able
>to sight the ball properly.

His highest was 52 for that series.

Mahesh.
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