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From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (No one in particular)
Subject: Re: Interesting Concept
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:50:00 GMT

Ken Mayer (ken@visix.com) wrote:
: I wrote:
:  me> What it proposes is rating gender like this:
: 
:  me>              Masculine
:  me>                 ^
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me> Non <-----------+-----------> Feminine
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 |
:  me>                 v
:  me>                Non
: 
: So what's at (0,0)? I like the idea, but the math student in me says
: that the scale should stay in quadrant I:
: 
:  Ken>              Masculine
:  Ken>                 ^
:  Ken>                 |
:  Ken>                 |
:  Ken>                 |
:  Ken>                 |
:  Ken>              Non+-----------> Feminine
:  Ken>                Non
: 
: Because you're measuring presence of something, not whether you have
: something or its opposite. Or to put it another way, there's
: non-Masculine, but no anti-Masculine (what would be called Feminine on
: a single axis scale). The extrema retain the same mapping as before.

The only reason I put it into quadrants (besides the fact that that's the
way I saw it first) is that then the quadrants (i.e. which quadrant you're
in) means something.  That is, it's easier to explain the extrema to
non-Math oriented people.  :)  Just because it's technically more correct
the way you draw it doesn't mean it's easier to understand.

			-Deb

--
Deborah Parks (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  deb@boulder.colorado.edu   ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an880@anon.penet.fi (nickname - Elaine)
Subject: Cross Dressing
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:57:32 GMT

Hi ladies...happy new year!!! 
I've been enjoying everyones' early experiences so much, I thought I'd share
some of mine.  I'm in my mid forties and first became interested in ladies
lingerie when I was about 11 or 12.  I had two older sisters who used to hang
their nylons in the bathroom after washing them.  I had grown quite fond of
seeing ladies in their stockings and high heels.  I started picking up my
sisters' nylons just to feel the softness of the nylon.  Finally one day, out
of curiosity, I tried on a pair.  Since I didn't have much hair on my legs,
the feeling was incredible.  I continued trying on my sisters' stockings
through high school.  I got away from women's clothing during four years in
the marines and a couple of years in college.  Then I got the urge again and
bought a pair of pantyhose.  They weren't as nice as nylons, but they weren't
bad.  I decided to buy some nylons and a garter belt and that brought the old
feeling back.  Now I decided it might be intersting to see how a more complete
outfit might be, so I got a Pennies catalog and ordered panties, a pair of
high heels, a slip, a bra and a pair of prosthetic foam falsies.  That's when
I realized how truly wonderful it was to feel so feminine.  Now it feels
perfectly natural to dress in my frilliest, feminine best.  Sometimes I put on
a bra, panties, stockings (garter or thigh high), heels, jeans, and a t shirt
just to lounge around the house.  My only regret is that I'm not passable. I'm
very glad I'm a man and I wouldn't have it any other way.  But, some days, the
only thing that makes me feel good is to feel like a woman.
        I would like to exchange e-mail with cd'ers, tv's, ts's and especially
genetic women of any description (esp. in the CNY area).  Once again, happy
new year and I
love hearing from all you wonderful ladies.  Bye for now...Elaine
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From: winslow@ncsu.edu (Patricia NMI Winslow)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Wearing Bras
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:18:00 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

an3777@anon.penet.fi writes:


>Since following this group from its inception I have seen many postings about
>how enjoyable the feel of stockings are.  For me wearing a bra provides a
>sensual feeling.  I have been cross-dressing since the age of 5, but since
>puberty the focal point(s) for my "femininity" has been my breasts.  When I was
>13 my nipples started swelling and became very sensitive.  The feel of any 
>satiny material on my nipples, such as negligees or soft cup
>bras, gave me intense pleasure.  Although, can hardly say that my breasts are
>fully developed, when I wear a size A or AA cup bra it looks naturally filled
>and feels "right."  Of course when not wearing a bra my breasts do not retain
>their "pointy" shape; I can't pass the pencil test.  However, my nipples are still soft and protrude noticably from my chest.  Needless to say having my breasts fondled and sucked are my favorite form of foreplay.  

>I would be interested in knowing if other cross-dressers have similar feelings
>about their breasts.

>Love,

>Andrea


Andrea,
Sure,
everyone's
breasts
feel
the
same
Do>you-really-feel-that
you are
different!
?X
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From: an1915@anon.penet.fi (Shelley Porter)
Subject: Bras
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:05:36 GMT


Andrea writres about bras and how they feel.  I, too, enjoy wearing
them.  I find that my artificial breasts eventually come to body
temperature, and after a while the weight feels very 'real'.  My breasts
are also sensitive sexually and my wife knows that.  However, like many
'indulgent' or 'tolerant' wives, she is particularly turned off by my
wearing a brassiere during lovemaking.

I have a question for some anon-jockette out there:  how can I use
anon.penet to post a reply?


Thanks, and best wishes to everyone.

	    Shelley


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From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (No one in particular)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

: > Am I the only girl out here that doesn't
: > have a real set of substitutes? I guess it'd be interesting to know
: > what the "most used" breast substitute is. 

I have a 'real' set of substitutes (masectomy prostheses), but before I
had them I often used old stockings filled with birdseed.  If you make
sure to size them small enough, they work well.  :)

			-Deb

Deborah Parks (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  deb@boulder.colorado.edu   ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: I'm new here 
Distribution: world
Organization: Not much.
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:40:14 +0000


In article <1993Jan2.150621.4492@fuug.fi> an4361@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Hello everyone
>
>I hope I didn't bore you with my opinions and my german-ish english. I would
> like
>to hear if somebody feels the way I do. If anybody out here liked some help
>with clothing and sewing, I might be able to give support - feel free to
> contact me.
>
>Bye & my best wishes for the new year

No, but it would be nice if you could fix your editor. Some of your lines are 
very hard to read.

Tony





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From: an3982@anon.penet.fi (Mary Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone - Happy New Year!
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:37:40 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

> Valerie here.

> I'll be wearing a silk blouse, tights, pumps, and new leather miniskirt--
> all in black.  No makeup or boobs tonight.  Given my strong facial
> features and body hair, and the fact that my facial electrolysis isn't
> done yet, I really look more natural and comfortable when I don't try to
> pass. 

Hi, Valerie.  Where did you go?  How did it go?  What was your hair like?
Sounds like my kind of evening!

I spent the evening en homme, but wearing all silk and feeling pretty good.
My wallet and keys are too heavy for silk pants so my SO paid for everything;
I felt like a kept person!  (I love it!)  One advantage to being en homme
on New Years Eve - that midnight kiss is a lot less conspicuous.

Hugs,

	Mary Ann
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From: an4107@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Reply to anonymous ping.
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:54:42 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered



Hmm i hope this makes i t here okay I shall be on here alot in the near future. Decent subboard
Love Dar
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From: dan.richard%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Dan Richard)
Subject: Re: Where to Shop?
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: Macintosh Instructor
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:09:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.204548.23958@fuug.fi>, an4163@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> Does anyone else have recommendations on any good places to
> shop? Maybe a list could be put together. I have a few to start.
> 
> Centurians 	Orange County
> 
> any additions?


Perimeter Mall in Atlanta, Georgia. Exit 21 off of I-285.

It is CD "friendly". The local Tri-Ess chapter (which I am a member)
had approched the mall management a year ago about us showing up there.

The anchor stores are Richs (local major dept. store), Macy's, and
J.C.Penny.
They also have Lane Bryant and Added Dimenstions for us "large" "girls".

I arranged the shopping tours to Perimeter Mall for Tri-Ess's 
"Holiday Enfemme". About 20 of us "girls" when. One "girl" found a
great dress, on sale at Lane Bryant and wore it back to the hotel.
Another found a pair of 3 1/2 "killer" heels.

Macy's Este Lauter and Clinec counters had free makup give aways for
us.

We were alowed to use the women's dress rooms (in most departments)
but not the women's restrooms [legal requirement]. 
The men's reactions when you walking in, expecially when you pass(!),
cannot be described! But don't walk in alone!

Tell them, Celeste sent you!

Love and hugs,

Celeste
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4258@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone - Happy New Year! 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:04:11 GMT

Valerie here.

In message <1992Dec31.131641.6454@fuug.fi>, 
an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:
>		So... Are there any girls who are spending the New Year's Eve
>		en-dress? I wish I was... What kind of things are you going to
>		wear? 

I'll be wearing a silk blouse, tights, pumps, and new leather miniskirt--
all in black.  No makeup or boobs tonight.  Given my strong facial
features and body hair, and the fact that my facial electrolysis isn't
done yet, I really look more natural and comfortable when I don't try to
pass. 

>               I'll be wearing a tux as my male alter-ego takes over for
>		the evening, but I'll be wishing that I was wearing a lacy bra,
>		garter belt & super sheers, and 4" spikes with it! 

I rented a tux for my company Christmas/holiday party.  I was SORELY
tempted to substitute a tasteful skirt and pumps for the trousers and
clunkers (my esso's encouraging comment about my brief home experiment to
that effect didn't help :^).  It probably wouldn't have surprised my
colleagues TOO much, given my Halloween "costume" <wink>, but I finally
decided that it would be brash.

>               Won't it be
>		a great world when these ideas become so common that no one
>		attacks them? *sigh*

Double sigh.  Yes, I look forward to the day when I won't be judged by
what I wear.  I'm trying to slowly desensitize people in my world to the
gyne side of my androgyny by pushing the boundaries carefully but
persistently.  Although appearance reflects only one facet of personality,
it IS what people most immediately notice.  My tiny pushes for today:
wearing both of my big green anodized hoop earrings to work since I
figured this morning that I would otherwise forget to wear them for the
parties tonight (I'm not going home after work), and chatting with the
other women at work about our hair styles and stylists.

Merry New Year!  May the coming year be one of increased freedom and
happiness for everyone in the gender communities.

Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks  an1845@anon.penet.fi  Store in cool, dark place.



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From: an852@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: test
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:41:12 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

Test. Dec. 25.

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From: an852@anon.penet.fi
Subject: hello?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:27:11 GMT

The quick red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog.

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From: 71756.2116@compuserve.com (David Lehrer)
Subject: Akron BBS Trial Delayed
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:07:45 GMT

=
 
 
 
AKRON BBS TRIAL DELAYED
 
The Akron BBS Trial originally scheduled for Monday, January 4,
1993 has was continued--will *not* happen Monday the 4th.  A new
trial date was not determined.  Mark Lehrer's attorney requested
the continuance and since Summit County Prosecutor Lynn Slaby
assigned a new prosecutor 'due to calendar year rotation' was not
resisted.
 
 
David Lehrer
 
 
=
 



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From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: [soc.culture.indian]  DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:14:37 GMT

In article <C0Au3y.G6u@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
"[A repost - Carl]
"
"From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
"Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
"Subject:  DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
"Message-ID: <1993Jan3.135950.14274@umiami.ir.miami.edu>
"Date: 3 Jan 93 13:59:50 EST
"
"				MEMO
"				----
"
"
"TO:	Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
"	others who post *really* obscene and offensive material
"
"FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
"	Indignant and frustrated readers
"
"REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
"	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN
"
"
"After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
"to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
"copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
"action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
"will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
"He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
"be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
"evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)
"

And any person who is a victim of this asshole's attempt at communist-style
censorship may immediatly apply and will receive an account on CAT-TALK. 
 
To the writer of this memo: If you don't like a persons posts, use a 
kill file. You have NO RIGHT to dictate or control what others post.
WHY DONT YOU TAKE YOUR FACIST ASS AND MOVE TO CHINA, ASSHOLE?? 
 
Again, I say it: If anyone looses their account because of this asshole
and other like him, just call up CAT-TALK at +1 313 882 2209 and log in
as user 'new'. I'll set you up with a new account right away, and I 
assure you, any requests to me to censor you will BE FLUSHED DOWN THE
TOILET!!
 
Palmer
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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [soc.culture.indian]  DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:21:33 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:  DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:59:50 EST

				MEMO
				----


TO:	Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
	others who post *really* obscene and offensive material

FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
	Indignant and frustrated readers

REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN


After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)

If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
feel as strongly about this.

A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
It is NOT a joke.

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: 71756.2116@compuserve.com (David Lehrer)
Subject: Akron BBS Trial Delayed
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:07:52 GMT

=
 
 
 
AKRON BBS TRIAL DELAYED
 
The Akron BBS Trial originally scheduled for Monday, January 4,
1993 has was continued--will *not* happen Monday the 4th.  A new
trial date was not determined.  Mark Lehrer's attorney requested
the continuance and since Summit County Prosecutor Lynn Slaby
assigned a new prosecutor 'due to calendar year rotation' was not
resisted.
 
 
David Lehrer
 
 
=
 



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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [eff.mail.com-priv]  What *IS* Current AUP Policy for Information Providers?
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:47:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,eff.mail.com-priv
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: kadie@eff.org

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: eff.mail.com-priv
From: steve@cise.cise.nsf.gov (Stephen Wolff)
Subject:  What *IS* Current AUP Policy for Information Providers?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:18:51 GMT

->QUESTION:  what is current NSF policy for information providers lie dialog 
->that wish to attach to the NSFnet?
->
->I surmise that if an information provider tells the world that it expects 
->that the only use that will be made of its resources by its intenet 
->connected customers is use in support of research and education, it is 
->free to attach and send its bits accross the NSFnet bbone as AUP 
->conformant?
->
->Do I surmise correctly?

Yes.  We also ask the information provider to cooperate in tracking down and
trying to halt violations if/when they are reported.  -s
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
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