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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: oralects/dialects
              92 9:45 pm

>
> Irv
> I'll certainly agree with the spirit of your comment about poetry, thugh as I
> don't read modern poetry I can't know the facts--- and beyond a doubt the
> *content* of written work has been more often a vehicle of revolution than has
> oral language (though sometimes the distinctions are blurred: the Magna Carta,
> for instance, and Martin Luther King's speeches)
> Liz
>
I was thinking of two things:  Ginsberg's Howl.  And the role that
text played in the Enlightenment and the French Revolution.  Text
(street manuscripts) were one (if not _the_) major vehicle of the
revolution.  The conservatives opposed to the enlightenment (I'm out
of my field here, so anyone please correct me) worried that
knowledge, via text, transmitted to the "rabble" would lead to
revolution.  And so it did.  I think Desmoullins (someone like that)
and Marat were strong forces behind the pamphleteering.  And think
of how the messages spread in China--wall literature.
Irv

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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: oralects/dialects

Irv
I'll certainly agree with the spirit of your comment about poetry, thugh as I
don't read modern poetry I can't know the facts--- and beyond a doubt the
*content* of written work has been more often a vehicle of revolution than has
oral language (though sometimes the distinctions are blurred: the Magna Carta,
for instance, and Martin Luther King's speeches)
Liz
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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Dyslexia and Writing

Thanks, Amanda.

Irvin Peckham
1844 North 52nd St.
Omaha NE  68104
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:29:31 -0600
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: oralects/dialects

Irv
Oh!  yes, street and wall texts.  Samizdat publication has been a powerful
force in many places--the USSR, notably.  And now we see the Americans in
Somalia trying to figure out a new role for street (sky?) literature--what
to say in the flyers (oh! pun discovered accidentally!) they drop from their
choppers.
Liz Hamp_Lyons
English/Applied Language
University of Colorado, Denver
LHAMPLYONS@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
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From:         hjjankie@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
Subject:      monolingualism

A traveler friend of mine told me that this was a joke in Germany:

What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.

What do you call someone who speaks one language?
American.


Au reservoir,
Henry Jankiewicz
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:48:46 -1000
From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LD, Standard English, exclusion, and elitism

As usual, Bill Condon, in his Fri, 11 Dec 1992 post, speaks to my
conscience, to my sense of what ought to be.  Our meritocracy with its
narrow definition of intelligence does worry, and has worried, me, too.
What of those whose nurturing did not include Standard Edited American
English?

In Hawaii schools, examples abound.  A friend who moved to San Diego from
Hawaii has the task of testing ESL students to determine if their learning
difficulties are due to biological (dyslexia, etc.) or cultural (language,
etc.) differences.  He says that many ESL students are misplaced in
classes for the mentally retarded.  It happens in HI and, apparently, in
CA.

In the college classroom, I face the problem, daily, of a number of highly
intelligent and diligent students who have great difficulty with Written
Academic American English.  In time, I'm sure they'll master WAAE,
especially in WI and WAC environments.  The optimism comes from an
experience that I had while in grad school.  I worked part-time as an
English editor in a federally funded bilingual/bicultural project.  My
task was to edit the papers, reports, proposals, publications, etc., that
were being written by the language specialists.  The specialists were all
ESL writers trained in American grad schools, with the exception of one,
who had received her training in an institution in New Zealand.  All had
earned PhDs or MAs; all were bright, knowledgeable, and capable; and all,
with the exception of the person trained in New Zealand, needed some help with
WAAE--some more than others.

The point is that ability in WAAE may not be an accurate measure of a
student's capacity to benefit from a college education.  By using a
single, narrow rule, we may be excluding, discriminating against, people
who could make the sorts of substantial contributuions that are possible
only with a college degree.

Bill, I, too, am worried about the lives, full of potential, that we may
be arbitrarily (politically?) wasting in our present school system.

Jim Shimabukuro


P.S. A portion of Bill's message follows.

> In our present meritocracy, we define merit too narrowly,
> so those who want to gain access to the full rights and privileges
> our society has to offer must alter themselves to fit a very narrow
> range within which they can then exercise difference--carefully.
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but this business worries me a lot.
>
> Bill Condon
> English Composition Board
> 1025 Angell Hall
> University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48109
> userlcbk@umichum.bitnet
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From:         Lili Velez <lv08+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rhetoric and/of Technical Writing (*MBU*) (10)

I just got through teaching a professional/tech writing course using
(of all things) Young, Becker, and Pike's _Rhetoric:  Discovery and Change_.
And I think I managed to make it work, with some help from supplemental
texts and a variety of small projects.   When I'm on an email editor which
lets me reply to you more directly, I'll do so.

Lili
Rhet in the Blue Linen Labcoat

"Quick!  Is that an argument of ethos, pathos, or logos?"
"Ah....it's very emotional..."
"Right.  It's pathetic.  Amber, get out of here!"
[only slightly fabricated encounter with
a student begging to leave class so that
she can drive a friend to another town
so she can have a car to drive to another
class...they had been watching soap operas
and forgot completely about whether Amber had
a way to get to her classes...oh, I can't
explain it any more neatly than that...[sigh]]
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Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Long post for MBU-L (1)

Gardner Campbell:
Just wanted to say I don't think you need to worry about MBU-ers' fragile egos.
I respect Bob C and all my MBU colleagues gretaly--so much in fact that I would
not express myself with camouflage in this medium on this net.  i believe we
shuld all be able to say we think certain claims are nonsense (or whatever)
without ideas/messages being personalized.  If we couldn't, THEN "vigorous
dialogua would be compromised" indeed.  One of the things I most enjoy about
MBU is that we can share ideas freely without any personal animosity: now I
guess I want to know if other MBU-ers saw what you saw, especially Bob (as for
me, I rarely attend to who sends messages, but to what they say; for me an MBU
conversation is like being in a room with a bunch of people, and responding to
ideas without beng sure who raised them at any moment--that's why I read all one
    thread before reading a new thread).
Liz
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From:         "(Bill Konrad)" <konrad@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Humanist and Words-L
              "HATCHG@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU" at Dec 9, 92 2:24 pm

HATCHG@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU writes:
>
> What type of interests do the lists Humanist and Words-L service?  Is
> it possible to get a list of "lists"?

Someone has already described Words-L and Humanist. As for finding
lists of lists, there are several sources. One of the best
descriptions of all the easily available lists of lists can be
procured from LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 (bitnet) or LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu
(Internet).

Send a mail message to either address with the message

	GET LISTSOF LISTS

If you have a Mac, you might be interested in a HyperCard package
available from Dartmouth which accesses a database describing email
lists and also provides a useful tutorial on email lists. I find it
fairly nice. However it takes a long time for HyperCard to build the
database (over two hours on a Mac IIsi) and is quite large as well
(over 1.4 Mbytes). But that is for the complete data set of email
lists. There are smaller data sets for lists for the humanities and
academic interests. Reportedly someone at Dartmouth updates the data
sets monthly.  The listsoflists document describes how to get this
package.


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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: LD the same as nonstandard usage?

Bill Condon writes:

> Over the past decade and a half, I've met literally hundreds of students
> who will NEVER measure up in SWE, whether because of dyslexia or
> because of some other learning disorder that wouldn't necessarily show
> up in their written work (at least not obviously) or because of their
> cultural/linguistic backgrounds.  These students have had more dedication
> to learning that you or I will ever have--they had to, to get as far as
> they have.  But they'll never SHOW what you and I can show.
>
> I don't want to be a gatekeeper, a functionary of an elitist society whose
> job is to say who belongs and who doesn't.  I'd like to find ways to
> make our measures of learning more inclusive, and I think that we as
> a profession (and I mean all college teachers now) must find such ways,
> or in our increasingly diverse society, we'll become irrelevant.

Bill:
I think you have identified one of our major challenges.  The first
step, as I have argued too much and too frequently, is to stop putting
grades on their writing.  But, further, it seems we have to look
critically at what kinds of exclusionary functions we are fulfilling
and that contradict what I take to be our primary goal of educating.
Then we have to work out a compromise that will help us foreground
educating without getting fired.
Irv
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:59:19 CST
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      NEH Summer Seminars for College Teachers

A list of the 1993 NEH Summer Seminars for College Teachers is available
via anonymous ftp from ftp.msstate.edu or isis.msstate.edu in docs/words-l/
Misc with filename neh.seminars.  (Note that is the letter l, not the number
1, in the subdirectory words-l.)  If you decide to apply for one of the
seminars, please tell NEH that you got the information on internet.  Thanks.

Natalie Maynor, Professor
English Department
Mississippi State University
(maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:28:22 -0700
From:         "(Michael Day)" <mday@SILVER.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject:      IRC virtual holiday party

Becky, Eric, and Michael invite all Purtopians, MegaBards, and
other androids to the first annual #cw IRC Holiday Party!

No moderhetor!  No set topic!  Fast and furious casual conversation!

BYOVB (Bring Your Own Virtual Booze)

9 PM Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, 6 Pacific -- Thursday Dec 17, 1992

For instructions on how to get on IRC (Internet Relay Chat), send a
request to Eric, C509379@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu

"Be there, or send your 'bot!"
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:40:58 -0600
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: standard english/grapholects/stability

Yes!  We all see too much of that.  We might hope that communicating in this
meduium would help, that the genre that's neither writg nor speaking of e-mail
might be more linguistically flexible, but I haven't noticed it myself.  But
then I've only just begun to think about it--perhaps others have been more
observant?
Liz
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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: pourquoi

yo creo: porque algunos/as no pueden hablar en otras lenguas?
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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Dyslexia and Writing

Amanda:
Do you have a copy of your grant proposal that you could
share?  Is this request ethical?
Irv
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:52:00 EST
From:         00gjsiering@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject: Re: LD, Standard English, exclusion, and elitism

Nancy writes:

>I'm tired of people putting "elitism" down.  Shouldn't academic communities
>have some sort of standard?  Life is full of "appropriateness" for different
>places, different times.
>
>I'm afraid that I, for one, still like to think of college/university
>as a level of dedication to learning, not some place where kids live
>and occasionally go to class and buy a degree.

I agree with the idea of keeping standards in higher education, and I
certainly will back you up on the need for flexibility in language
use.  Students (teachers, scholars, etc., too) need to be able to
adapt their discourse to the standards of the communities they want to
participate in.  I will argue, however, about not putting "elitism"
down.  Our job (or one of many) is to train students in this
cultural/linguistic flexibility, but too often if they don't _come in_
with the SWE language skills of the university discourse, teachers
push them aside as inferior right off the bat.  I am not saying that
"anything will do" as far as language goes.  I am saying that we need
to take on an initial inclusionary and educational mindset rather
than an exclusionary one.  If they cannot learn to adapt their
discourse, well then they might have some problems in academia, but we
need to give 'em the chance to learn how first...it takes time.

On the "dedication to learning" part, I am behind you 100%!

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Subject:      RE: Monolingualism

Russ Hunt: Your ship is from the New Brunswick provincial flag, right?
John B
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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: standard english/grapholects/stability

Susanmarie
I agree, we have a very difficult task to find our way, both in our beliefs and
our practices, between avoiding being gatekeepers for a normative, conservative
language code that represents our own spoken dialect fart more closely than that
    of many of our students, (oops sorry about the "fart" above which should be
   "far"!), and
refusing non-standard English users in our classes (whether NNS, BEV, or
whatever) access to that very code which in its most mainstream form ensures
that their ideas will be heard.  These threads have been very important to me to
   o
as a chance to think about my ideas and talk them out, and have brought me
back to some re-reading. Part of my grad course next term will be on dialects
and this discussion is very helpful.  I see it as engaging ideas and not as
attacking OR valorizing individuals.  I hope Bob C agrees.  I think we all
have a long way to go to find a strng comporomise that will represent access
and not coercion.
Liz
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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Standard English

Russ
I think you make a very important and under-noticed point: the language of text-
books is NOT the language of any discipline, nor of "the academy" (whatever that
is, nor of "the real world" (and I'm even LESS sure what THAT is!).  As a
consequence, not only are freshman comp essays not in the genres of disciplines
but neither are undergraduate essays in other disciplines, at least until
junior year, if then.  The survey at the U of Michigan in ?1988 showed that
decisively for that context.  So it's difficult for us aging faculty to enter
students' comunities, and it's difficult for them to enter ours--even if we
assume motivation on both sides.  Language learning, whether dialect, second
lanuage, grapholect, genre, id HRD for most people.  Few have Raul's pleasure
in it (and that pleasure seems to be strongly related to learing L2's in childho
   od)
(oops--"id HRD" should be "is HARD")
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From:         Allene Cooper <IFCAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      wcenters and politics

Thanks to all those who've helped me believe what I already thought might
be best for our Business Writers' Workshop.  Now could you help again by
giving me arguments that will persuade a Dean that BWW should be in the College
 and not the Department.  A little background: The Deanlet's responsibilities
have just been rearranged.  The academic dean is now primarily responsible
for graduate programs emphasizing our up and coming MBA
program.  The other dean is now over undergraduates.  Maybe as Ed suggests,
I ought to get him involved.  But in any event, I need arguments that
convince others besides ourselves.  What would they be?

-- Allene Cooper
Dept. of Business Administration            (602) 965-3231
Ass't Director, Writing Across the Curriculum  (602)965-3097
Arizona State Univ., Tempe, AZ 85287  BITNET: IFCAC@ASUACAD
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: So much CS,
              so little time [LONG] (2) (10) (*COMP.COMP*) (16)

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(Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: So much CS,  so little time [LONG] (2) (10)
(*COMP.COMP*) (16)
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Shalom, Marcy!

In article <1992Dec16.203120.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> you write:

>What is "Mil-Std 2167/2167A"?

DOD-STD-2167/2167A ("MIL" was incorrect) is the standard of the US
Department of Defense for System Software Development. While not
requiring a particular software design methodology, it makes some
broad assumptions about a contractor's development process.

Specifically, it assumes that development begins with the analysis
and definition of the software requirements, and then proceeds to
a high-level design phase, followed in turn by a detailed design
phase, a coding phase, an integration-and-test phase, and an
acceptance test phase.

Regardless of whether or not a software developer is contracting for
the US Department of Defense, using the framework of DOD-STD-2167/2167A
provides one of the best (if not *the* best) "insurance policies" for
successfully traversing the Product Life-Cycle.

Copies of the following US Government standards can be obtained
by writing to the:

 Naval Publications and Forms Center
 5801 Tabor Avenue
 Philadelphia, PA 19120

DOD-STD-2167, "Defense System Software Development"

DI-MCCR-80025, "Software Requirements Specification"

DI-CMAN-80008, "System/Segment Specification"

DI-MCCR-80012, "Software Top-Level Design Document"

DI-MCCR-80031, "Software Detailed Design Document"


Jonathan B. Horen
Sun System Administrator/Sr. Technical Writer
tel: (408) 736-3923 | email: horen@netcom.com

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From:         mmcooper@MTU.EDU
Subject:      Monolingualism

I think monolingualism is an expression of imperialism.  It IS hard to
learn languages (at least for some of us) and you do have to go out of your
way to do it in parts of the US at least, but speaking only one language is
a practice that says a lot about what we value -- whether we actively
choose to be monolingual or simply neglect to do so.  And I am speaking
about myself, too, for I am basically monolingual, although I have tried
about five languages and have a small facility in a couple.

I like Russ Hunt's ship.


Marilyn Cooper
mmcooper@mtu.edu
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