HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: CBS News and Mojahedin
Originator: harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.145228.7127@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.215526.28479@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>,
>asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> >In article <fcZ502Vr2fB601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
>bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor) writes:
>> > 
>> 
>> 	1) isolate the regime from the international body.
>
>Of course, in the short run (and perhaps the long run because the MKO
>experiment has never been tried) this will bring hardship to Iranians.

That is an old argument used to justify supporting tyrants.
It has absolutely no merit.

>
>> 	2) Get the resistance recognized as a legitimate
>> 	   force against the current regime.
>
>If it is the MKO's objective to bring democracy to Iran then it need
>only, and I mean ONLY, seek to gain legitimacy with the Iranian people.
>The definition of a democracy is government by the people of said
>country, NOT government by the people recognized by other nations. What
>MKO is doing in the U.S. and other countries is NOT garnering
>"legitimacy" for itself but rather gaining allies for the destruction of
>Iran, in my opinion. The Iranian people must grant MKO legitimacy. If
>they do not, then MKO can hardly claim a struggle for democracy.
>

I think you have it the other way around. One gets legitimacy
by struggling for democracy and freedom.

>> Asghar
>
>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

Asghar
From: paran_p@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pirouz Parang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Import/Export Research
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:52:30 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Dec28.120016.5204@nntp.hut.fi> ramin@ecad.hut.fi (Ramin Baghaie) writes:
>
>>1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
>>	shipping to or from Iran or any other Persian country? 
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Ron Ables
>>
>
>Hello,
>
>Well I really don't know anything about these legal regulations that you have
>asked for, but I just know this that there isn't "ANY OTHER PERSIAN COUNTRY"!!

You are forgetting Tajikistan. Tajikistan is an independent country, and it
is definitely Persian.

Pirouz
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: CBS News and Mojahedin
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:58:54 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> 
> If it is the MKO's objective to bring democracy to Iran then it need
> only, and I mean ONLY, seek to gain legitimacy with the Iranian people.
> The definition of a democracy is government by the people of said
> country, NOT government by the people recognized by other nations. What
> MKO is doing in the U.S. and other countries is NOT garnering
> "legitimacy" for itself but rather gaining allies for the destruction of
> Iran, in my opinion. The Iranian people must grant MKO legitimacy. If
> they do not, then MKO can hardly claim a struggle for democracy.
> 
> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
=================================
I don't think you are familiar with the type of government that is running
the current affairs of iranian people. 
If there was any chance for the people of iran to choose a democractically
we were never having this discussion and this government would not have
been in power new. Our discussion should appreciate the fact the current
government of iran in no way acts according to the laws and regulations
defined democratic by the chrater of rights of united nations and many
other amendments with the scope of human rights. 
So destoying all the political opposition in iran does not provide the
chance foe the people of iran to choose anything legitimitally. There
was no way that organizations such as MKO to have a voice with in the
governments departments and as far as I am concerned this took away the
chance for them to democratically display their intentions and policies.
Now you are arguing that the people of iran should decide the future 
of MKO. This is possible at this point and that is why many refugees 
have been created with in the last ten years of revolution. Solely
because nobody can voice their opinion.

I am not a memberr of MKO and I am solely voicing my opinions out of
my experiences and I would like to add that as long as any struggle 
for democracy no matter how minor once recognized by any political leader
is a victory for that movement. Especially such governments as US that can
have profound effects on the voices of European Community and Asian countries.
So I must say that the big hit has been accomplished for the MKO to be
recognized by the US as the ligilimate force of resistance.

Now every struggle for democracy must compromise before reaching to power.
this is because the movement is in minority and has to mobilize any possible
instrument in demonstrating to the opposed government that although it
may not have the power with in the government but it is gaining popularity
abroad.

Don't forget that governments around the world have been the key force
for trying to restore democracy with in iran. If their voice was not of
important I assure you that there was no minority alive in the iran.

saeid
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 16:54:58 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: MUNA.,MONA.,..AND THE DEMOCRACY OF FALSE

The democracy  of false is the old system of socio-political interactions
among these petty anti-revolutionary groups in and outside of Islamic
IRAN. For sure this system can not accomplish anything as it has not.


Ba Dorrood bar true Iranians,
A concerned Iranian.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: AI: Death Penalty News- Dec92
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:22:20 GMT

I find it interesting that the US is not mentioned in this article. AI
is an international organization and generally includes the US among its
targets for condemnation, particularly in the area of executions. There
are many people on "death-row" in the US and the number of executions is
rising each year. This is at least partially due to the fact that
executions were not permitted for a number of years. Since the
reinstatement of execution as a form of lawful punishment, a large
number of "death-row" inmates has accumulated while their appeals have
worked their way through the legal process. More and more inmates are
reaching the end of the appeals process.

While I do not feel that execution is inherently immoral, most AI
supporters do feel this way. It is surprising not to see the US
mentioned prominently in this article. Perhaps it was not intended to be
comprehensive.

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: mohag@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: TEST......
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:29:42 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

This is a  test....Please ignore....
From: hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamio Reza Mohammadi Daniali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian surgeons carry out low-cost heart transplant
Date: 25 Dec 92 13:53:24 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: hamid@dali.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


In article <1992Dec24.180907.15588@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
|> 
|>                      
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------
|> From: Japan Times, December 24, 1992
|>                  
|> Iranian surgeons carry out low-cost heart transplant
|>                  
|> NICOSIA (Reuter-Kyodo) Iranian surgeons performed a heart
|> transplant on a 16-year-old boy and said Tuesday the cost
|> of the operation was only a fraction of that in other
|> countries.
|>                 
|> The two-hour operation, described by Iranian television as
|> Iran's first, was carried out Monday in the southern city
|> of Shiraz, the site of one of Iran's best medical schools.
|>                   
|> It named the head of the transplant team of eight surgeons
|> as Mohammad Ali Sanjarian.
|> 
|> "I feel fine," Mahmoud Haqparast, who received the heart of
|> a teenager killed in a car accident, told the television
|> from his hospital bed.
|>            
|> Sanjarian said the operation cost 250 million rials ($170,000)
|> in other countries but only five million rials ($3,400) in
|> Shiraz University's Namazi Hospital.
|>         
|> Iranian doctors have been performing kidney transplants for
|> several years

Iranian surgeons performed 2000 kidney transplants after the revolution 
which 90% of them have been successful.The total of kidney transplants before 
the revolution was only 100. Dr. Basiree a kidney surgeon at Shahid Beheshti Univ.
pointed out during a conference in Tehran.

|>                          
|> Farzin
 
Hamid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bai@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Baback A. Izadi)
Subject: Looking for a song
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:48:35 GMT

Doostan;

I am looking for an old song which has a great deal of
sentimental value to me. I have tried many Iranian
bookstores and have not been unable to find it. I wonder if
someone on the net has a copy. I am not certain who the
singer is; I think she is Sima Bina. The song goes something
like this; 

                                 /    .   .                   .         .     
                     -       >  _)   o_ q_,_7_o   -    o > q_,_    .  q_,_7_o 
                         (_S   /    (   /  .          (    / .    (_) /  .    



                        |            /    .                     .      c   . |
              . . .     |_       >  _)   o_ q  _,_   -    o > q_7   _8_w     |
                      /  :   (_S   /    (   / / :.       (    /    /       /  


If someone has a copy, I very much appreciate if he or she
contacts me. 

Thank you,

Baback

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  Department of Electrical Engineering  |      / >  _ |  (_)_ |_ 
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From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Wedding Invitation (in Persian)
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:58:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu


sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>   [...]
>
>First of all, we are thinking to go permanent soon.  Why do you think,
>we have not tested before we started more than 4 years ago?


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           4_||  |_7_c    ,_p_c      _|q   __  ,_p_7  __ |_8_7q_    _       > 
                (|.      /        (_S  /      /             . /    /: /   /   

                                                                .       ||  : 
                                                           4_7 _9      _||_e_ 
                                                            . /     (_S       



            |    "     .   c       |    | : T    /  |                      c  
            |_8_7    o  _,_w q >   |_   |_o |  (_)_ |_      _w q  _c    . _w_7
          /    c       / :   /      .             .  .   (_S   / /     (_)  . 

                     |"       ||   |     | ||  |       |    "      :      |   
           _w      w |       _||_8 |   c |_|_D |  4_   |       |_,_o    | |_w 
        (_S     (_/       (_S         (_           .    /     (| .     (|     

                                                         . |           "     |
                                                        ]_ |_w  _,_o         |
                                                               / :       (_S  



                                              |             . .  . .      c   
                                            | |_,_c   q    _9_,,_p_c      w_o 
                                           (|   :     /   /            (_/    


=begin=
dr zyr tvjhat Hxrt vly eCr ejl~alh tealy frjh

jSn ervsy babk Aqa ba dvSyzh "Ghar sal qbl" ra bh aTlae ahaly "as sy ay" myrsand

mS Qxnfr v eyal
=end=
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:14:59 GMT

In article <saied.724527530@cwis>, saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
> >saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
> 
> > => Mr. Rajavi said: Let the world know that the mullahs are on their way
> > => out and will definitely be overthrown,...    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >I think Mr. Rajavi's tongue must have grown hair by now. He has been
> >repeating the above statement for 13+ years.
> 
> Here is two quick explanations for you, Siamak:
> 
> First, Mr. Rajavi's statement indicates nothing but his
> committment and determination as well as his high hope.
> That by itself is admirable specially when we see so
> many so-called "opposition leaders" giving up their fight
> and returning to their "normal" life. (In other words,
> saying good bye to their conscince, struggle, and
> whatever revolutionary values they once had.)
> 
> Second, according to all existing documents:
> 
> 	* executions and other forms of repression (e.g.,
> 	harassing women and arresting 113,000 them in one
> 	year) has substantially increased in Iran during
> 	last 2-3 years.
> 
> 	* economic situation is deteriorating and has only
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	worsen. Inflation is high; unemployment is high;
> 	the gap between rich and poor has widen, etc.

This one confuses me. On the one hand you (and other MKO supporters)
complain about the economic problem in Iran but on the other you ask for
the U.S. and other countries to seal off trade and economic assistance
to Iran!!! I can only surmise from this that you have no friends or
family in Iran or at least do not really care about those inside Iran.
It would seem that you only complain about these things because it gives
you political mileage. I see no real concern. 

I compare your pleas to the U.S. with a person asking a giant to do
something about the fly buzzing around your face; you should be careful
that the giant doesn't knock your head off in trying to swat the fly. 

> 	* social problems (e.g., drugs, addiction, poverty,
> 	prostitution, suicide) have increased dramatically.
> 
> What do all of these imply? The akhoundist regime is unable
> to solve any of social/economic problems and can only
> survive by repressive means. A regime that survives thru
> repression (and war mongering) is doomed to be overthrown,
> hence, the meaningful statement by Mr. Rajavi: ``the mullahs
> are on their way out and will definitely be overthrown.''

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: majidi@rwja.umdnj.edu (Masoud Majidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: ghafas
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:51:17 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Salam bar doostan,

A few of my friends and I tried to think of the rest of the following
poem last night but we had no luck. I appreciate it if anyone would
either post or e-mail the complete poem to me. Also we think it is by 
'Pejman Bakhtiari' but we are not sure so I appreciate it if you include 
the poet's name in your message.

Che khosh ast hal'e morghi ke ghafas nadideh baashad
    Che nekoo-tar aanke morghi ze ghafas parideh baashsad

Par o baal-e maa shekastand-o dar-e ghafas goshoodand
    Che rahaa, che baste, morghi ke parash shekasteh baashad.

adTHANKSvance,

--
Masoud Majidi                           Internet: majidi@umdnj.edu
Academic Computing Services             Voice: (908) 463-4839
University of Med & Dent of NJ          Fax:   (908) 463-5252
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; teaching materials for Farsi [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 29 Dec 1992 04:35:11 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
To: sci-anon-poster 



>I am interested in finding out teaching materials for the Farsi
>language.  Could anyone send me references or direct me to an
>appropriate source?  I am particularly interested in books, audio
>cassettes, etc. geared for the English speaker.

I have seen several books and audio tape packages that teach Farsi in
various Persian bookstores.  I don't recall their names.  Try calling
Mazda Publishers in 714 area code or Tooka bookstore in 408 area code
(San Jose I think).

>Vim



 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtabesh@f88.n121.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Just a test (mercy)
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:40:48 GMT
Organization: Mehry Tabesh
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


test.
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Telex from Iranian Opposition Group regarding Bosnia [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 2 Jan 1993 12:12:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <lka01nINN8k1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:

>Subject: Telex from Iranian Opposition Group regarding Bosnia
>
....
>
>To His Holiness Pope John Paul II
>
>The tragedy of human suffering in Bosnia-Herzegovina has
>reached a level unheard of in recent history, rivalling that
>of Nazi Germany. Entire communities are being systematically
		  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>eliminated in an overt act of genocide, based solely on their
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>ethnic and religious identity, yet international institutions
 ~~~~~~~~~~~*********~~~~~~~~~

may the devine pope fail to resist the temptation of sending
a copy of the letter back to iri itself.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 22:46:39 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Call for papers,....

Why this article can not be displayed?.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: CBS News and Mojahedin
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:21:19 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <fcZ502Vr2fB601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor) writes:
> 
> An organization that once claimed to be "Iran's spearhead in the 
> strugle against world imperialism" is now contempt and excited about
> being on the air for a few minutes in a US TV station !
> 
> I must say:
> 
> 	benAzam man in charkhe pirooz rA
> 		parirooz o dirooz o emrooz rA !
> 
> 
> 			- Behnam 
==============================
The fact that a news media organization spends times to some specific
organizations activities does not qualify that organization to be on some
sort of special status with in the political boundaries of that country.
This kind of opinions as you are indicating are just a passive way of
looking at your brothers and sisters. 
I remember another ocassion when the government of Iran was on its
highest place of turtoring and executing Bahai's in Iran and Regean 
said in a speech that Iran should allow Bahai's to travel freely
out of Iran and then Khominie turned around and said that since the
word is coming from the president of US then the Bahai's are linked
to the political boundaries of US.
This kind of analysis are exactly like the one you have passed and not
for a minute I can believe that your opinion can be qualified to be
considered as a reasonable argument.

I am sorry man but you should go to school and learn how to talk before
posting your opinion on this forum.

Saeid Yazdanmehr
01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: J10B <J10B@UNB.CA>
Subject: NBC News & MKO excitement,A question!
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:47:06 GMT

Somebody is very happy these days in our network for that 4 minutes news
; A question for him and asking for an honest responce. Has there been
ANY change in MKO's policy in the last 11 years toward U.S. at all? If
NO I simply believe it! If YES what are those changes and why?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahmad@lime.net.com (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Subject: Re: CBS News and Mojahedin
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:37:38 GMT

I remember MKO's anti-west mottos in the early days of the revolution.
MKO has now a different strategy yet its leadership is embarrassed to
admit that. And as a usual, MKO supporters are justifing their organization's
actions and the rest of us, surprisingly to them, fail to see the logic.

I don't see anything wrong with changing tactics and strategies when needed.
Once such changes occur, rational people use logic to discuss reasons. But
MKO, from what I see in this forum, simply denies these changes. Well, let
me remind  you of Saadati, MKO's support for keeping hostages, MKO's so-called
revolutionary execution of American elements in Iran before the revolution,
MKO's attempt to make ties with many anti-west organizations abroad, and etc.
Please, don't take me wrong, I do not necessarily condemn any of these, but  
I am simply wondering about the integrity and credebility of your organization.

In the remainder of this posting, you will find my viewpoints on MKO which
is, for the most part, irrelevent to this subject.

In article <1992Dec30.002224.2491@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
		[stuff deleted]
>
>I think you have it the other way around. One gets legitimacy
>by struggling for democracy and freedom.
>

Your premise, stated above, is necessary but not sufficient. MKO
has indeed struggled for democrarcy and freedom, however its
adventurous strategies has brought Iran and Iranian people nothing
but more bloodshed and miseries. MKO's armed-struggle strategy has
been used by IRI to justify her repression. Without any doubt in
my mind, armed struggle is not popular among Iranians, yet MKO
insists in this unpopular strategy, Why? I am not trying to discuss
armed struggle here. Rather I am trying to point out why MKO,
despite its long struggle for democracy, has lost its legitimacy
among Iranians. Here are my top 5 reasons:

	 1) Unpopular startegies (armed struggle)
	 2) Vague idealogy (Islam + Marxism)
	 3) Questionable leadership
	 4) Cooperation with Saddam
	 5) Its attempt to isolate Iran politically and economically 

It might be beneficial to add that at one time MKO appealed to me as a
progressive organization. However, like many others, I was completely
turned off due to MKO's failure to present valid arguements to defend
her shortcomings as listed above.

-ahmad agha
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hsharif@mot.com (Henry Sharifian)
Subject: Testing
Organization: R & D Motorola
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:28:33 GMT

       Please ignore just a test.

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