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From: lhuber@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Lee Huber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Orlando golf
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:52:59 GMT
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: lhuber@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu


In article <Uf9FXGy00Uh7A6dEZ1@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David B. Kapcin" <dk00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> I am heading down to the Orlando Fl.  area for a business trip in
|> February and would like some information on the area golf courses, or
|> golf packages that may be available.  Also any info on restaurants would
|> be appreciated.
|> 
|> Please e-mail me with any info.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance!!
|> 
|> Dave

I was there on business in the fall of 1990 and went in over the weekend
and stayed at Bay Hill.  It was an interesting course with several water
carries and was in quite good condition.  There are also Arnold Palmer 
photos all around.  Accomodations  were condos on the place, which were 
nice.  It also is a chance to play one that you have seen and will probably
see on TV with the pros.  It may have changed hands since the time I was 
there,  it seems Arnold was trying to sell his share.

Lee Huber
Champaign, IL
From: rayn@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ray Normantas)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:02:41 GMT
Subject: Looking for Myrtle Beach package deals
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

I am looking for recomendations for golfing packages at Myrtle Beach.
I have seen recomendations for courses to play, but I am looking for
golfing packages. I received several pamplets and Sea Mist looked
like a good deal. I would like to see what your favorite packages 
are and why. We are looking for (1) A package that has the better
courses offered and (2) A nice place to stay. Price is a consideration,
but we are flexible there.

Also, is February or March a good or bad time to play?

Thanks for any help you can give me, I can post a summary if
there are enough responses.

Ray Normantas
  
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From: lhuber@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Lee Huber)
Subject: Winter Golf in Illinois? 
Originator: lhuber@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:21:15 GMT



I had read that there are some people around the Chicago area that
play golf essentially all year, even putting up with some near
arctic conditions to do it.  My interest is not quite that keen, but
I would like to get out when the temperature gets above 40-45 as
it does occassionally.  Do any of you know of courses that tend to
stay open  in the winter in the East Central Illinois region , south
of Chicago?  The local public courses here in Champaign have shut
down for the year.

Lee Huber
Champaign, IL

PS.  Maybe I'll be forced to take a golf vacation south sometime soon
in order to keep the game tuned up. 
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From: pagorm@iastate.edu (Paul A Gormley)
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:23:48 GMT

	Dear Dan,

	I am not a pro by a long shot, +10, but I would recommend golf
shoes.  When My friends and I started playing golf in Junior high some
got golf shoes, but I didn't.  As time went on I found myself swinging
more accurately, but to no avail.  My stance would be corrupted by my
sliding feet.  My father, being the generous soul he is, gave me an
old pair of his shoes and I immediately could see a difference in my
stance.  I was far more secure in my stance and felt much better about
my swing.  Using golf shoes tends to keep my feet from flying too much
on the swing.   They do not work miracles, but I think they could be a
step in the right direction.  P.S. I like the etonic line myself.  The
all leather versions of their tennis shoe / classic black and white
golf shoes have provided me with two years of comfort and
satisfaction.  They cost right around $50 on sale.  I think if you
spend too much less you generally get a little less sturdy shoe.  This
is something I'd try to avoid.  I hope I've been of help.

				See ya later,
					Paul Gormley
P.S. 	If any of you netters are ever in Ames, Ia try out ISU's golf
course, Veenker.  It really is quite nice, I think green fee's for
real people are around $15/18.  A very good deal IMHO.
	   
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From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Looking for club buying tips
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:05:34 GMT

jeffrey@iti.gov.sg (Jeffrey Goh (Sch-NS KSL)) writes:

: >This is pretty much true.  However, they are progressive perimeter
: >weighted clubs.  There are also irons that are more of a cross between
: >a bladed iron and a cavity back iron.  Hogan Edge and Powerbilt TPS
: >Advanced come to mind.

: I'm curious about these progressive perimeter weighted things.
: Since cavity backs are more forgiving than blades, does this 
: mean that progressives are more forgiving than blades but less so
: than cavity backs ?  

It should mean they are even more forgiving then a standard cavity
back iron.  Never played them personally though.

: If so, then what advantages do these have over cavity backs, or is
: it a matter of preference ?

They are cavity backs.  Basically they are perimeter weighted but they
have a small weighted area the progressively moves towards the toe as
the club gets longer.  I suppose this helps you get the club through
the ball better.  Again, I think it's wise to find a set and play with
them to see if there really is a advantage.

--tom
--
	    Tom McCain            tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu


 Character Density: the number of very weird people in the office.
From: jasonc@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jason Chodora)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:02:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Orlando golf
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

I played the Palm course at Disney and really liked it.  The course was
long and hard, but fair. (i.e. no rediculous mounds in fairways and on
greens, no silly hazards, etc.)  The weather was kind of lousy, but the
course was in great shape, and the people working there were first
class.  I've also heard a LOT of good things about Bay Hill.  The room
rates are really reasonable (~$80/nite), and unlimited golf is about an
extra $60/day.  I really wanted to stay there, but it was all booked up.
Make your reservations early!!

As far as restaurants, there was a fancy restaurant at the Grand Cypress
hotel (can't remember it's name) that was GREAT.

Jason
jasonc@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: England Divisional Championship
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:01:40 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

>
>The fixtures are all in December:
>
>	5	London v Midlands
>		North v SW
>
>	12	SW v London
>		North v Midlands
>
>	19	London v North
>		Midlands v SW
>

Well, I haven't had time to post the results of the Divisional games from
last Sat. (and I can't remember the scores :-().  London beat the Midlands
and the SW beat the North.  This now gives us a head to head between the
two "favourites", London and the Midlands, which also gives us a head to 
head between Barnes and Andrew.

The "Barnes or Andrew" debate had even made it to 'Rugby Special' which
seemed to show great admiration for Barnes but go for Andrew.  The Sunday
Times, a couple of weeks ago, ran an article which described Andrew as
a "favourite armchair - difficult to throw away" but all the same gave Barnes
a glowing review.

I would go for Barnes.  I think he has more options from the set-piece 
and is quicker, in thought and action, from second phase (and even England 
seem to now be having third and fourth phase).  Barnes will also take on
the opposition back-row and fly-half, this is not always a good idea, and it
was highlighted in the Rugby Special report that England have Morris who
performs a similar function.  I don't think England should be over concerned
about another Grand Slam and should concentrate on playing total rugby more
as they did in 1990, which is quite ironic really ;-).

A quick word on the Divisional Championship.  The SW beat the Midlands,
under Barnes' control (even though he had flu and puked at half-time), with
5 tries; all by the wingers.  Beal scored 2 and Morris scored 3 (or was it
the other way round?).  This is even more impressive considering the 
poor conditions under foot, it has been raining in England almost non-stop
since the beginning of Nov. (7.5" in Nov).  But Barnes released the backs
at the right moments and the wingers with a bit of time and space did the
rest, with the help of the other Bath backs in the SW side.

Anyway, this weekends clash between Barnes and Andrew could be fun.  The
London side should have the better pack but the SW the better backs.

Would the selectors drop Andrew for the 5N?  I doubt it.  But if the England
pack don't get things their own way I would rather have Barnes.

Cheers,
Graham
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From: penglish@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Paul English)
Subject: Re: ANZAC Match
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.140807.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>Backs - well I don't think either country has is over-blessed in this regard.
>If Farr-Jones (who is exceptional) is available he's it, otherwise Slattery
>over Strachan. Lynagh over Fox, Horan over Little (Walter) and Bunce over
>Little (Jason). Campese and Tuigamala on the wings and Timu at fullback.
>
>Flames anyone?

Can anyone in NZ tell me if Walter Little has played at fly-half?

I'd like to see either Walter Little or Tim Horan at fly-half in preference
to Lynagh or Fox, since I don't think Lynagh has been in good form this
year.

-- 
    Paul English    |Email:                        |You can tell how far
   School of MPCE   |s8921366@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au|we have to go when
Macquarie University|penglish@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au |today's supercomputers
 Sydney, Australia  |    paul@vulcan.anu.edu.au    |are programmed in FORTRAN
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: (i)ANZAC  (ii) Barnes/Andrews
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:33:45 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Bill Taylor (wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
>[stuff on ANZACS deleted]
>Barnes vs Andrews
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>This is a fascinating debate building about these two. It's not really for us
>----------------------. southerners to help you lot to decide, but MHO agrees 
>                      | with the majority opinion that Barnes is by far the
>          \           | most convincing attacker.
>           \          | 
>           \\         | BUT !!  And this is a big but.
>            \\        | 
>             )`--')   | He has never been really tested under severe pressure.
>           <  o /    | And in the world cup Andrews showed remarkable coolness 
>             `\  /    | and composure in several tough matches. He scarcely put
>              / /     | a foot wrong. So, considering that down-under matches
>         /_,, ~~      | will be toughies, maybe Andrews is the safe choice.

Barnes also showed on the Eng B tour to NZ that his place kicking is not 
his greatest asset.  Andrew is very very very cool headed and reliable.  But
I feel that England need to get the ball out to the wings (at the right time)
more often and also attack from broken play situations, and this is where 
Barnes would be more dangerous.  He will also keep the oppostition backrow
thinking and keep them closer to any ruck or maul, rather then allowing
them to string out across the pitch.  

Both of them are in the squad for the New Year training session in Portugal, so
the Division game may not be too conclusive.

--
Graham Cutting
grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: aen@cs.brown.edu (Ann Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Women's Rugby teams in BC
Followup-To: rec.sport.rugby
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.085211.405@otago.ac.nz> clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.041241.7674@honte.uleth.ca>, std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>> 	As weel, does anyone have suggestions on how to increase membership
>> in a University Women's Rugby team?  It seems that rugby has a reputation
>> as a violent game with overly wild parties (grin), and many women that I've
>> spoken to want no part of this feral, animalistic behavior (their words,
>> not mine).  Any ideas on how to change thier minds?
>> Michelle
>   Well Michelle (this will stir things up), you could always take up a womens
>sport, or perhaps one which lends itself better to either genders skill levels.
> I , despite my tolerant attitude to most other things, believe that rugby is
>not a sport which should be played by women, just as I believe that netball and
>synchronised swimming should not be played by men. 
>  I freely acknowledge that the skills and committment shown by the top level
>of womens rugby are excellent but I still think that there are certain sports,
>and rugby is amongst them, which do not lend themselves to crossing the gender
>barrier. 

Could you please explain what you mean by the "gender barrier"? Of course
women are not as fast or strong as men on average, but that is only a reason
for not having mixed rugby teams. Why shouldnt women play rugby (or men
play netball come to that) if they want to?


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Ann Nicholson                   _--_|\ 	
Aussie in exile                /      \
But home for Chrissie Dec 21st \_.--._/ 
aen@cs.brown.edu                     v
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

In article <Bz2377.56E@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
>Clive Boock (clive@otago.ac.nz) wrote:
>>Richard Loe   
>>   Here's hoping for the RIGHT decision and soon.
>
>The 9 months ban, which I guess is what the appeal is about, seemed
>reasonable to me but I was also judging Loe on previous incidents.  I think
>you nose what I mean ;-)  If Loe gets a lighter sentence, which may even 
>make him available for the Lions in May, then I would have some doubts
>over whether the NZRFU can deal with this sort of foul play.  
>

Clive,
Do you believe that Loe will represent again after this incident.?
Or do any NZer's think he should represent again.?
I cannot imagine selectors gojng for a player who is and will be ,obviously
a marked man.I'd imagine selectors taking someone who can finish a  match.
So now I ask,is there any other forward who can scrum as well as Loe.Surely
there are a few that could more than adequately take the place.I know I'd go for
someone who is a little more mobile than Loe.

>
>I hope that Loe's ban remains at 9 months but certainly doesn't reduce to
>make him available for the Lions.   After all, it is better than a poke in 
>the eye with a sharp stick ;-).

I heard that he got 6months,can he still make some $$ in France or is that
French Ban now non enforceable.?

Thanks for the time.
allanc
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: Women's Rugby teams in BC
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:21:18 GMT

In article <gael.1.0@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au>, gael@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Gael O'Neill) writes:
> 
> Aah, Clive, I'm glad you're a kiwi!!

and

> The final thing I'd like to say is that posts like this reinforce the idea 
> that in fact neanderthals are not extinct, but in fact alive and well (in
>  N.Z. anyway).

Looks as though Clive isn't the only one with a problem!!!!

Alan
From: 890091b@axe.acadiau.ca (HEIDI JILL BURKHOLDER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Women's Rugby teams in BC
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:32:56 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

>	As well, does anyone have suggestions on how to increase membership
>in a University Women's Rugby team?  It seems that rugby has a reputation
>as a violent game with overly wild parties (grin), and many women that I've
>spoken to want no part of this feral, animalistic behavior (their words,
>not mine).  Any ideas on how to change thier minds?
>

	Tell them to come to a week's worth of practices and *then* decide 
whether or not they hate the game. I'd be tremendously surprised if anyone 
leaves! I know the first "choir practice" I attended kinda shocked me when I 
heard *women* singing songs like "The S&M Man", "Gang Bang" and "Beastiality 
is Best", but it wore off quickly enough - as long as it is taken with the 
proper sense of humour!!
	Rugby is simply a physical sport. If these women want a good way to 
get into shape and have a great time, there really aren't any better 
alternatives. If they find out that they do become more aggressive (on the 
field), then that is an advantage if they ever find themselves in a 
difficult situation. I am hardly a brute, butch or bitch - but that doesn't 
mean I can't enjoy a good ruck or scrum! I was totally hooked after my 
first *day* of practice - which was the first time I'd ever touched a rugby 
ball and I recommend the game highly to everyone!
	Good Luck!
		Heidi

P.S. Our women's team had a much better record than our men's team, and we 
didn't even have a coach until the second month of the season. Fitness comes 
first, and bribing the guys to teach some skills comes next! :)

  __________
//  WALLABY \\
\\__________//
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: ANZAC Match
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:09:45 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty (cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>I happen to like Walter at first-five and I have a strong dislike of Grant
>Fox's play so I am heavily biased. Walter is an exciting instinctive player who
>can make amazing breaks, tackle extremely well, and has tremendous field
>coverage but even I have to admit that his kicking game leaves something to be
>desired. To a large extent the choice seems to have been dictated by the type
>of game the selectors have decided they want the ABs to play. I, personally,
>would like to see an inside back pairing of Graeme Bachop and Walter Little
>operating as Walter needs a halfback who clears the ball quickly which Strachan
>does not do. We could then find room for Eroni Clarke in the backline which
>would have to be a plus.
>
>Alan

What has happened to Graeme Bachop?  The last time I remember him playing
for NZ was against England in the WC opener.  What did he do wrong?  I 
thought that he played a really good game, kicks well and runs well.  Against
England he controlled the 2nd half (with the help of the pack).

--
Graham Cutting
grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
From: gael@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Gael O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Women's Rugby teams in BC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:11:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: cns.microbiol.uwa.edu.au

In article <1992Dec15.085211.405@otago.ac.nz> clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock) writes:
>From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
>Subject: Re: Women's Rugby teams in BC
>Date: 15 Dec 92 08:52:11 +1300

Aah, Clive, I'm glad you're a kiwi!! I've been a regular reader of this 
newsgroup for several months but haven't felt compelled to reply to anything 
until now.  However I didn't feel I could allow this piece of sexist garbage 
to slither by without a word (which is undoubtably the response you were 
hoping for).  Let's deal with this point by point.

>Well Michelle (this will stir things up), you could always take up a 
>womens sport, or perhaps one which lends itself better to either genders 
>skill levels.

Women's sport??!!  Clive, women play a wide variety of sports- well they do 
in this country anyway.  These sports include cricket, basketball, hockey, 
tennis and I've even seen the odd game of women's rugby league.  We also 
participate in other sporting events such as triathlons and marathons. 
And yes we do play netball, although I fail to see the point here as 
quite alot of men play it as well!  Synchronised swimming is an invalid 
arguement as I think you'll find that almost everyone agrees that this is 
not a sport.  If we have the ability to play a sport then there's no reason 
why we shouldn't, and there's nothing in rugby (no not even the tackling, 
which Heidi and Michelle seem to be able to cope with) which would prevent 
us from playing. 

> I , despite my tolerant attitude to most other things,

Whenever a man starts off a statement like this you know that (1) he's a 
closet chauvinist and (2) what is about to follow is more sexist garbage.
A tolerant attitude to what other things Clive? Women being allowed out of 
the kitchen?  Us not being kept barefoot and pregnant all the time?  That's 
pretty good of you!


>I freely acknowledge that the skills and committment shown by the top 
level of womens rugby are excellent

Then what's your problem?  Don't you think its illogical to say that and 
then say this: 

>but I still think that there are certain sports,
>and rugby is amongst them, which do not lend themselves to crossing the 
gender barrier. 

Could you explain exactly what this mysterious gender barrier is (in 
relation to sport that is).  What other sports don't cross it? And why don't 
they and rugby cross it?

I don't play rugby and have no inclination to do so. I'm quite content to 
remain a spectator.  However I take exception to being told by anybody that 
I can't do something.  This is the 1990's not the 1890's and we can do 
anthing we choose to.  Good on you Heidi and Michelle! 
The final thing I'd like to say is that posts like this reinforce the idea 
that in fact neanderthals are not extinct, but in fact alive and well (in
 N.Z. anyway).

				Gael.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Women's Rugby teams in BC
Reply-To: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:12:41 GMT

	I am a member of a women's rugby team in Lethbridge, AB, and I was
wondring if anyone could provide me with the names of some woemn's teams
in BC or Sacsketchewan that would be available to play in a tournament in
late March?  We've only been a team for a year, and we need all the play
that we can get to convince the men's rugby club to continue to caoch and
fund us.
	As weel, does anyone have suggestions on how to increase membership
in a University Women's Rugby team?  It seems that rugby has a reputation
as a violent game with overly wild parties (grin), and many women that I've
spoken to want no part of this feral, animalistic behavior (their words,
not mine).  Any ideas on how to change thier minds?

Michelle
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby