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Subject: Re: Questions about new computers/future chipsets
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:40:39 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <181040001@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (andy garton) writes:
>What is "RTG"?!?
>
>Thanks...


ReTargetable Graphics  (or DIG  Device Independant Graphics)

the ability to run any video board in the Amiga and have it look like
it is the builtin video.

>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Garton                                                 ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com
>Software Development Engineer
>Hewlett Packard Ltd
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>


Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 16:23:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan6.153019.21305@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <73061@cup.portal.com>
  <1993Jan7.040914.26719@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

>>The mainframe VM that I'm familiar with (IBM MVS and IBM VM) swap the actual
>>code; they don't reload the executable, since this allows a lot more backward
>>compatibility with older code (and newer stuff, too) that is self-modifying.
>
>Are you sure MVS/VM doesn't have some sort of page modify bit?

Thinking back, you're right, it does.  I didn't think that one all the way
through.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:04:19 GMT
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Andreas Stenmark (c92andst@odalix.ida.liu.se) wrote:
:
: Intel has never been in the front line of microprocessor development. And
: that's a fact.
:

No, it's not a fact; it's your opinion.  Please state it as such.

:
:      /// Andreas Stenmark - Computer Science at LiTH, Sweden
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: UChess Tested on Mercury PP&S 040 board
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:43:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.172431.24202@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:

<description of PP&S Mercury kicking A4000's ass deleted>

>I think we should officially use UChess as a determinator of
>'crunching' power. I have already come across the term 'chess
>mips' in chess circles. IMHO chess rating is a number which
>is derived from the whole performance of the cpu/memory and
>as such, being a single number it could be quite handy for
>comparison (across the same platform of course, can't compare
>different implementations on other platforms).

How consistent are chess mips across compilers on the same platform?
And would it be possible to optimize a compiler to generate more
chess mips?  The reason I ask is that most benchmarks seem to suffer
from both of these problems.

BTW, UChess didn't impress me at all.  The graphics are okay, but it
is not much fun to play.

>  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
> / /_  __/\       Computer Vision Group      /\ \__  _\
>/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
>\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re:  Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:20:33 GMT

 Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
>
>A number of Mac dealers have some overstock of the old Classic they're 
>trying to sell.  Apple no longer manufactures the Classic (and hasn't for 
>a number of months).  As I stated before, all current Macintosh computers
>have at least a 16 MHz '030.  By the way, does that A600 you're price-

     Be fair now... the classic and LC series (Performa also?) have those
'030s running on 16 bit buses...

>comparing have a hard disk (how big?) and a monitor?  (And how much RAM 
>does it have?)  I've seen 4 MB Classics with 40 MB hard disks advertised 
>for well under $800.
>

     And does that Mac come with a keyboard? :-)

     I'm sure we could argue about which machine is the better deal until long
after both are footnotes in computer history.
     Let's not.


     (BTW, the last few lines are directed more to the person you responded to
than to you... he did seem a bit, errr... obnoxiously overzealous?)




-- 
Don Lloyd                / "No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of \
don@chopin.udel.edu      | another computer is a kludge.  It has nothing to do |
GeNIE: D.LLOYD7          \ with the Intel CPU"  - Jerry Shekhel                /
BIX: DRL
From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM does it again... 23 watt p.s. for A1200?!?
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:16:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
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In an article, damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:

>>Finally, consider any extra power to accomodate PCMCIA
>>peripherals, which are even less likely to have their own power supply than
>>peripherals plugged into the A500's side expansion port.
>

>gee, a PCMCIA modem perhaps? five watts, max.

If it was poorly designed. Hayes makes a 2400 baud modem that runs off the 
power from the phone lines(I think, its a black magic type of modem as far as 
I'm concerned) and this modem sells for around $100 at CompUSA.
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: The Mac is not ideal (was Re: Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths)
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:26:28 GMT

Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

> >Have you ever programmed the Amiga?
> 
>    Every program that I have that is oriented toward getting good printed
> output includes its own printer drivers.  This includes PageStream, ProPage,
> and WordPerfect.  If the Amiga printer drivers are adequate, why does every

ProPage? I don't think it uses non-standard printer drivers. Are you
sure this is not just another edition of "Amiga sucks" by Marc N. Barrett?
	WorPerfect is so idiotical port that it really does have all
the PC features of the same version, including printer drivers - no
wonder the software never solf too well.

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:23:55 GMT

In article <jprad.726852709@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  There's a distinct difference between being a marketing success and being
>an objecively superior product.
>
>  Windows falls completely into that category, it is an inferior "OS" that was
>made successful by a very good marketing scheme.  These same people could quite
>easily make money selling shit in a pie pan too.

While I don't like windows, and much prefer OS/2, Windows has some
things that AmigaDOS doesn't.  It's not perfect, but for some things it
is better.  For instance: Strong interapplication links.  I get the
impression that a lot of Amiga programs are made to work with "this" or
"that."  Windows programs are starting to be made that work with
anything.  I can use Word's equation editor in Wordperfect, or Excel is
my graphing program in Lotus 1-2-3.  Study OLE some time...it's not
perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better then cut and paste.  And
compared to saving to disk and loading in another program....there is
no comparison at all!

>  More Amigas are used to accomplish "real" work Jerry, more than you're
>able to admit to yourself.  Of course, it's rather nice to take a recreational
>diversion with a game every now and then, which is how the A500 here (which is
>normally setup as a debugging console) is for.
>
I'm sure some amiga's are used for real work, but almost everyone here
seems to use PCs when they have to get REAL work done...and use Amiga's
for fun...


Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:33220 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19738
From: rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Summary: 8 bit DATA bus, not ADDRESS bus!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:31:51 GMT
Reply-To: rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks)
Organization: Atlanta University Center, Atlanta, Ga.

In article <C0AK58.7Lv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
]]Hardly, it will run programs that many PC's can't handle due to the memory
]]hassles. The biggest hype around surrounds all these 486's and their fast 
]]hard drives, which for the most part are still running 8 bit software and
]]can't figure out which interrupts are taken.
]
]8 bit software?  Software with a 256 BYTE address space?

OBVIOUSLY, he meant 8 DATA bits, not ADDRESS bits.

-- 
"My country is the world.  My religion is doing good."                      ///
                                      - Thomas Paine                       ///
                                                                       \\\///
Rodney Ricks,   Morehouse College                                       \\//
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:07:08 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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g2z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Ron Siemens) writes:

>>  If the programmer is bad to average, probably.  But, just like hand-coded
>>assembly versus compiled code, in the hands of an expert, never...  ;-)

>Yikes!  -jack- using this kind of reasoning, you'd also have to admit the Mac'
>method of multi-tasking is superior to the Amiga's.

  Another lept conclusion, another pair of broken ankles...

  Comparing the output of a compiler to handcoded assembly has absolutely no
relation to the mechanics of preemptive and cooperative multitasking.

  Go ahead though, they're your ankles. ;-)

  -jack-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Make WorkBench A WORK Bench!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:56:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.144514.25716@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CSC9241727H@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (KOUKOULAS,Steven) writes:
>
>	Most utilities made for the Amiga lately all work on WB2.x perfect,
>using the gui as it was meant to be. But why is it that all the big gun
>software, open their own screens for use?
>
>	The only program I am impressed with to date is Final Copy II, since
>it gives you a choice of opening a custom screen or WB screen. Using the Wb
>screen and rescaling, I learn to appreciate having a multi-tasking system.
>

     Personally I'd rather have the screens, but for those who _like_ a 
cluttered workbench, there are plenty of apps thgat use it.  The ones I have
on my system right now that can run on WB include PageStream, ProWrite,
Art Expression, ProCalc (I _think_...), and one or two others.


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From: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.93010.123057SML108
 <C0LMIx.2Iv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu><1993Jan9.204628.13470@wam.umd.edu>
 <mbrown.1014@legend.akron.oh.us>
Organization: Penn State University

On the subject of emulation: wyizzit that none of these rocket-scientist
infested computer companies don't develop the emulator for the previous
generation of computer as they are designing and building the next generation?
Atari for example mocked both Darek Mihocka who made a wonderful 800
emulator for the ST and David Small who made Apple defecate construction
material with the world's first mac emulator...
By no means does the emulation have to be perfect at first release but
sheesh it'd be a wonderful selling point IMHO for upgrading...  Sheesh,
I'll bet there are a lot of amiga users right now who would LOVE a good
atari 800 emulator and if a new RISC amiga were released that could run
old amiga sotfware say as well as the 1200 then there'd be no excuse other
than unaffordability...  Built-in 2600 emulation was definitely a neat part
of the atari 7800...  Too bad it ended up being marketed by the katzenjammer
kids....

Scott
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: test
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:30:51 GMT
Organization: Amiga Graphics Association BBS
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:28:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>>>Actually I use a 486-50DX2 at work with 16M Ram, and running Windows 3.1 is
'>>>a joke... gah... the response from my stock A500 is much better.. though it
'>>>would be nice to have a decent screen saver for the amiga that does not take
'>>>up too much of my ram..
'>>
'>>	I love these comments.  I am certainly no big fan of Windows 3.x, but
'>>   on my 33/486 (which is slower then yours) Win-OS2 at 640x480x16 runs 
'>>   faster then my old 1meg A500 running a 4 color low-res WB.  Even when I
'>
'>Whoa!  Imagine that!  A 486 at 33MHz is faster than a 68000 at 7MHz!  Who
'>would ever guess?  Maybe that explains why my A4000/040 running Workbench
'>3.0 at 704x468x256 is faster than a 286-8 running Windows in 640x350x16...

	Hey, Skip, read the other guys statement.  He was the one going around
   claiming a stock A500 was faster then a 486/50.  I was just commenting that
   that was certainly not the case from my experience, having owned both.
   Jeez.

'>>   up the driver to 256 colors its still fast.  I am using the outdated 
'>>   Diamond Speedstar Plus card also.  For the same money today, you can get
'>>   a Diamond Speedstar 24X which provides much faster Windows support, along
'>>   with true color. 
'>
'>And for the same money as the outdated A500, you can get an A1200 which 
'>provides simalar capabilities to Amiga owners...
	
	Really?  You can get an A1200 for the same price as an A500?  Not
   around here. 

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
 
'>Skip Sauls, Amiga Fanatic
'>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:20:32 GMT

In article <72953@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>it would be sped up but gee-whiz graphics chips?  Hardly.  Wait, you Amigans
>>DO have Civilization available for AmigaDOS, don't you?
>
>Not only that, but you don't have to worry about having at least 500K
>free of "special" memory. Any memory will do. Interestingly, there is
>no advice in the manual that says "remove all TSRs and device drivers
>before running".

Nor is there one in the IBM version manual.

>You can't be bothered with a 640K limit with a powerful processor
>like the 486 or P5, right? Tit for tat, Dan.

Nope.

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko
-- 
Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re:  CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:30:30 GMT

In article <root.03ev@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.154432.23110@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>
>>Hard disk is cheaper than RAM, unless you can tell me where
>>I can buy 340MB RAM for $600.
>
>Frequent swapping is a sign that it is time to buy more memory.

Look, this is getting silly.  If I were running RAM-only, and started 
using a few programs that caused problems with RAM restriction, I'd
much rather allocated a few megs of my harddrive space to take care of it,
than to spend over $100 which I don't have on RAM, see?

>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>		   merk!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
-- 
Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
"Even inferior PC demos seem to require more RAM than demos for the Amiga 500"
                                                                -John Bickers
"You're probably right.  The Amiga OWNS the demo market." -Jerry Shekhel
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:45:59 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1993Jan8.224416.8446@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
>: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>:   I still stand by my assertion that an overlayed program is a better win,
>: the applications authors (no matter how large it is) have much more knowledge
>: about the construction of the program than the OS ever could.
>
>1) If overlays are so much better, then why are they only used on systems
>that need them.  I have never heard a 32-bit Unix ever using them.  Why?
>Probably because paging is better.
>
>2) Overlays seem like they might add too much work to the programmer.  If
>you think all programs, not matter how many megabytes they are, should
>use overlays, then perhaps you can start an argument for all programs to
>be written in assembly.  
>
>I agree that a carefully tuned program using overlays in some cases might
>beat demand paging, but I think the effort is too great to be productive.
>
>:   Think about it, if you're using overlays smartly you're going to group 
>: common sections of code into each overlay segment, it's definately going
>: to be less of a burden on a VM manager as well since it's going to be dealing
>: with a net smaller code segment at any given time.
>
>You think about it.  A demand paging system add NO extra programming
>time, an overlay system would add enormous amount of programming time
>for a large program.  Ask the implementors of nethack (a very portable
>game), who only set up an overlay system for the MS-DOS port because it
>needs it.  I'm sure they spent quite a bit of time puting the overlay
>system into place.

Which version of MSDOS nethack uses overlays?  The version that I have,
which is on my now unused and dusty MSDOS hd that is sitting on a shelf,
loaded itself completely into memory.  I don't remember the version number,
but it was the first version to include the 3 stooges.

--

Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		   merk!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Pricing
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:55:47 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <jprad.726559708@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>
>>>Why does the Power Up only apply to the states.
>>>The Europe market is quite a big chunk for C= and yet we don't get
>>>any of these offers.
>
>>Maybe the US people need that to sell Amigas.
>
>>>Is it C= UK just being greedy or just lazy??
>
>>Definitely greedy as all people in capitalism.
>
>  If the set of all capitalists are greedy then how can a Power Up program
>be offered in country of capitalists?
>
>  -jack-

Well, it involves a couple (probably unofficial) economic principals
(keep in mind, I'm no economist).  First, the concept of a limited offer
(a sale, or the power up deal) triggers some people who already want the
product to buy it before the offer ends (for the obvious reason of
saving money on a product they alread want).  Sencondly, if a product is
good quality (and is advertised), one can work out a reduced price model
that will actually gain you more money (by selling to a laarger number
of customers).

Thirdly, computers on one of those 'special case' products that, in
order to be sold, rquire quality, reasonable price, and developer
support.  Since the developers look to see how many machines are out
there to see if it is a good idea to support it or not, C= is doing the
right step to insure an AGA software base using this principal.  If
enough models are sold so that a good software base is gained, the
likelyhood of new buyers goes up.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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