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From: pgifford@reis36.alleg.edu (Pete Gifford)
Subject: Re: Loco wobbles on track.
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:50:33 GMT

In article <0JPXwB2w164w@stauff.UUCP> ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)  
writes:
> My suggestion: return the locomotive as defective, then save your  
pennies
> and buy a loco with a Kato mechanism.  You don't mention the scale, but
> for N scale, the Atlas RS-1 and F-something are both excellent.  
> Bachmann is, generally speaking, garbage.
> 
> (Sorry if my suggestion annoys you; it wasn't meant to.)
> 
========================================================================== 
===
> Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or*  
uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed

While I generally agree with your conclusion about N-guage locomotives, I  
have an unusual situation on my layout.  I have 5 Bachmann locomotives, 1  
LifeLike and 1 Atlas.  The LifeLike seems good, but won't handle some of  
my tight radius turns.  2 of the Bachmann don't run worth anything, one is  
pretty good and one is fabulous.  I bought the fabulous one used so I  
don't know if there were any modifications made.  The Atlas, while good,  
is much to light to pull anything, even itself, up any significant grade.

Go figure!
 
Pete Gifford
Allegheny College
pgifford@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: guy@boi.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: Affixing ballast
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:06:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7]

In <1if0jiINNn5h@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, Mark Maral (maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM) wrote:
>I am ready to lay some ballast on my layout and this is the first
>time I have attempted this.  I have heard of a couple of different
>methods.  One involves using water laced with dishwashing detergent
>as the penetrating agent followed by white glue and water mix. The other
>method I heard was to use straight  isopropyl alcohol as the wetting agent
>followed by the white glue mix or matte mix.  Any advice on this will
>be appreciated.
>
>Mark Maral
>

-- 

I wound up doing both.  I thinned rubbing  alchohol 50-50 with water and
put in a couple  drops of joy for good  measure.  Detergent  alone  just
made the ballast  ball up for me.  Maybe its my water.  Warm water seems
to help the prewet and the gluing  both.  I've used white glue and matte
medium  with no  discernable  difference  as long I kept  it  reasonably
light.
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From: js@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Sawyer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:54:53 GMT
Subject: Sources for electrical parts?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad


Years ago, when I had occasion to order some electronic parts for a
project, I dealt with the a order firm by the name of "Jameco
Electronics" who, at the time and for what I wanted, was the most
reasonable source.  Now I would like to get a current catalog of
theirs to see how their prices stack up against others, like Digi-Key.
Does anyone have their address or (preferably) an 800 number where
they can be reached?  I tried 800 directory assistance; they're not
listed.

In general, what are people's recommendations for sources for the
common electrical parts used in model railroading?  In particular, I'm
interested in SPDT, DPDT, and 3PDT toggle switches, barrier terminal
strips, and the like for block wiring.  Since I'm likely to need
several ten's (at least) of these items, buying them singly at Radio
Shack strikes me as an expensive proposition.

Also, has anyone found a functional equivalent of the Atlas snap
relay, at a lower cost?  This seems to be a very useful device for
controlling (for instance) track polarity on a reversing loop or wye.
Simply connecting the snap relay coils in parallel with the turnout
coils affords a single-switch control of both turnout and track
polarity.
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: dave@auspost.com.au (Dave Cole)
Subject: Laying Flexible Track
Organization: Australia Post
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:18:42 GMT

I am new to this hobby and so I bought a book on how to make
baseboards, lay track etc.  The only problem I have is that the book
does not describe the track laying process in enough detail.

The book says to use cork strips between the track base and the track.
The first problem I had was that the cork does not go around curves -
someone told me to cut the cork into two thin strips, then run them in
parallel.  Is there another way?

Next problems - I want to use flexible track - I bought PECO.
- The track does not have any holes in the ties for track pins.  How do
  I hold it in place long enough for the ballast to do the job.

- How do I make sure the curve I create is reasonably regular.

- When two bits of flexible track join in the middle of the curve, how
  do I ensure that the join does not create a kink in the curve (this
  is assuming that the track is always under stress in a curve).

As you can see - I have a lot to learn - HELP.

Thanks in advance - Dave

BTW. the setup is HO

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: rec.models.railroad Fortnightly FAQ
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:38:57 CST

In article <1352@blue.cis.pitt.edu> macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert) writes:
>In article <1dbI028.30Rq01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
>>Stewart Hobbies F- units use number 460, which is specially designed to
>>give prototype spacing. They come with comprehensive instructions including
>>how to remove the body from the chassis, which Stewart don't tell you.
>>This probably invalidates the warranty. Once you read the instructions it
>>is easy.
>
>Two things to add:
>
>1) The Kadee #450 couplers are great for the rear (flat) ends of the Stewart
>units.  They are a WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY for the noses.  A #5 fits the
>nose just fine (in Stewart's mount pad).  So the #450 is just a harder-to-
>use, more expensive alternative.
>
>2) Wannanty?  What Warranty?  :-)
>
>Den
>
>-- 

  So what is the secret about getting the body off of the
Stewart chassis. I would like to but am a bit shy of breaking
something. BTW, I have the F-3 Erie version.

  Thanks....Randy.

Randy Lambertus               Cray Research, Region 4            rl@uk.cray.com
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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:38:23 GMT
Subject: Re: HO Train and Accessories Quality
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

Just one more addition to this thread from somewhere in Northern Colorado:
Before you start building a pike, decide just what kind of railroad you 
want, what prototype line to model, if any, and what era. If you go down to
the "real" RoW, you won't find wooden cabooses behind long trains of box and
flat cars, or open hoppers, except coal trains. I have seen dozens of sets
(which, as has been pointed out, are something to avoid) which mix steam and
diesel era equipment liberally, and the like. If you want to model an obscure
railroad (all but about ten railroads are obscure, if you look at the stuff
the manufacturers make :-( ) you might have to buy all undecorated equipment.
I started my third railroad modelling experience two years ago with Santa Fe
stuff...because there was so much of it. I've always been partial to the
Burlington Northern and its predecessors, so I decided to "model" the Colorado
Joint Line (Denver-to-Pueblo, Colorado) for the fact that I could have stuff
from both roads. In the course of my research about the real Joint Line, I
stumbled onto the fact that I just LOVED the Denver & Rio Grande. Now, just
how much D&RGW stuff is out there? If you're not modelling narrow guage, NOT
MUCH! So now that I've moved, I've determined that the Santa Fe and BN stuff
will be on trackage rights on MY D&RGW. And now, the D&RGW is called Southern
Pacific :-(    So you see, there are many twists and turns on the way to a
satisfying modelling experience.
 
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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Holding down rails * ties
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:51:11 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <s_fuller.726252622@vincent2.iastate.edu>,
by s_fuller@iastate.edu (Steve Fuller):
> 
> If I use premade track, is there an easy way to get rid of the
> ugly end ties that companies like atlas usually use???

Cut them off, lay your track with ugly gaps 2 or 4 ties long under every
rail joint, and then, after the track is down, slip in precolored wooden
ties (in HO, Campbell profile ties, stained a color to match the plastic
you're using, for example).

But really, if you add enough ballast, you can hide almost anything.  At
least in North America, a fair number of ties get buried in ballast, and
British practice is to deliberately pile ballast over the ties against
each rail, effectively hiding all but the centers and ends of all
crossties.
> 
> Would a better method, from a realism standpoint, I don't mind if
> this takes a long time to build, be to handlay my own track and
> use commercial turnouts??

If you're going to experiment with handlaying, why not build your own
turnouts?  It's not hard, but don't commit yourself until you've laid
some track first.

From the standpoint of realism, handlaid track can't compare with the
best prefab track on the market.  On the other hand, handlaid track is
far more realistic than Atlas snap track.  To identify really good prefab
HO track, look for such details as molded in tieplates, some with only
two spikes diagonally opposite each other, and a few with 4 spikes.  You
can't get scale HO size spikes (or rather, spikes with a scale head but
a shaft long enough to hold), but Railcraft, for example, makes spikes
that are far smaller than the lugs that are molded into standard Atlas
HO Snap-Track.
> 
> All track will be N gauge and Nickel Silver, I've had bad luck
> with Brass in HO and would like to not repeat the experience....

Ah... N scale.  The case for handlaid track in N scale is fairly weak.
You might look at such things as the new line of, if I remember correctly,
Peco track, where they use Code 70 rail, but with only about 2/3 of the
rail head above the ties.  This looks like code 40 rail (a good scale size
for N) while allowing the not-to-scale deep flanges of N models to run
well without hitting the spikes.
					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: md@kanaha.Idbsu.EDU (Martin Dougherty)
Subject: test
Reply-To: md@kanaha.Idbsu.EDU (Martin Dougherty)
Organization: GCISS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:11:15 GMT



First post, just testing, sorry.

--
Martin Dougherty

Depatment of Geosciences
Boise State University
Boise, Idaho  83725

md@kanaha.idbsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: windsurf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Maaske Gould)
Subject: Re: Warren Miller's "Go With The Windsurfer" 
Keywords: Warren Miller Video
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:17:42 GMT


	Before I express my opinion on this video let my state my biasis:
1) I went to the Gorge one summer with two days of 0mph and one windy day 
when I tore a ligament in my knee trying a forward.
2) I was born and raised in Hawaii.
	I personally was very unimpressed with Miller's video - cute but
not the high energy video I was looking for.  (Does anyone out there 
believe that guy has done 2 forwards and is trying for 3? not me...)
	If you want an action-packed video with outstanding shots, tricks
and music with some ok interviews with Robby, et al. check out Gaastra's
"Heart and Sould" video.  Only 'bout 30min but a wild ride!

-Scott Gould
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: The Gorge is Nuking
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: kenb@vice.ico.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

The only problem is the wind chill is -20F.

Check these numbers out:  There is a high wind warning up for the
west end of the Gorge for today.  East winds 45-75mph.  At 7 a.m.
this morning Multnomah Falls had east winds 46G77mph!

Peak wind speed recorded overnight (4 a.m.) 82 mph!

These numbers are beyond "nuklear."  I think we need a new catagory
for this strong wind.  How does "insanely unsailable" sound?

KB
From: duckgybe@shakala.com (Bill Geisinger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: strong wind
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:33:05 PST
Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 408-734-2289

The stronger the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bill Geisinger  - duckgybe@shakala.com 
Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 408-734-2289
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Gorge Beware of CA Exodus
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:58:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.042633.17842@a.cs.okstate.edu> hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
>From article <4310558@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom):
>> Anyone know the property tax rate in OR and WA?  In Sunnyvale, CA it is
>> 1.16% so a typical 3 or 4 bedroom, cheap $350,000 home costs $4060 per
>> year in just property taxes (if you were to buy it today).
>
>$350,000 cheap??????  I think you've been in CA's overpriced housing market
>too long.  Jee, maybe my 4 bedroom, 1550 sq ft., 2 story house with monthly
>payments of $258 a month (including escrow) and property taxes of $181 a 
>year isn't so bad.

My $80,000 3 bedroom 1 bath ranch style is relatively cheap for Beaverton 
(near Portland, OR) (high end would be $125K-$140K) and has taxes in the 
$1,500 a year range.  By 1995 our property tax limitation bill will limit 
taxes to $15 per thousand. State income tax is maybe 7%-10%. The Legislature
has been trying to pass a sales tax every year for the last forty years at
2.5%-5%.

joel@ssd.intel.com
relatively cheap for the

From: patrick@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Barry Patrick)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:02:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Grand Cayman seven mile beach?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

/ hpcc01:rec.windsurfing / golka@bnr.ca /  1:47 pm  Jan  5, 1993 /

>Any recommendations on where else to go, including info on where to stay, 
>and where to get equipment?

Aruba. Flat shallow water... perfect for learning to waterstart.
Plenty of equipment rentals, including Vela.

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:14:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Gorge Beware of CA Exodus
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>>> Anyone know the property tax rate in OR and WA?  In Sunnyvale, CA it is
>>> 1.16% so a typical 3 or 4 bedroom, cheap $350,000 home costs $4060 per
>>> year in just property taxes (if you were to buy it today).
>>
>My $80,000 3 bedroom 1 bath ranch style is relatively cheap for Beaverton 
>(near Portland, OR) (high end would be $125K-$140K) and has taxes in the 
>$1,500 a year range.  By 1995 our property tax limitation bill will limit 
>taxes to $15 per thousand. State income tax is maybe 7%-10%. The Legislature
>has been trying to pass a sales tax every year for the last forty years at
>2.5%-5%.
>
>joel@ssd.intel.com
----------

Thanks Joel:
                      Silicon Valley    Beaverton        PoDunk 8-)
property taxes          $4000            $2000            $12.95
Income Tax              9-11%            7-10%            what dat?
Sales Tax               8.25%             none              huh?
EE salary             $40-90K/yr       $39K-$89K/yr       $4.95/hr
Wind < 2 hrs drive      great           orgasmic         sure like 2 knots!

Isn't the trick to live in Washington (lower property taxes) and
shop in Oregon?

Kirk (what me leave?  My great, great grand ma was born here!)  out


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hgray@mta.ca
Subject: nuclear winds
Reply-To: hgray@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:18:36 GMT

On the Magdalen Islands, they call nuclear winds "NORMAL!!"
From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: The Gorge is Nuking
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:29:38 GMT
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory

In article <11070@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>The only problem is the wind chill is -20F.
>
>Check these numbers out:  There is a high wind warning up for the
>west end of the Gorge for today.  East winds 45-75mph.  At 7 a.m.
>this morning Multnomah Falls had east winds 46G77mph!
>
>Peak wind speed recorded overnight (4 a.m.) 82 mph!
>
>These numbers are beyond "nuklear."  I think we need a new catagory
>for this strong wind.  How does "insanely unsailable" sound?

How about "meltdown?"
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: strong wind
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <u618wB1w165w@shakala.com>, duckgybe@shakala.com (Bill Geisinger) writes:
|> The stronger the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Naah, anything over about a force 8 is pretty much unsailable. Sure,
you can do it and it's quite good experience but your board will try &
fly off as soon as the wind gets under it, the water will be full of
blown spray & a sail small enough to be survivable will leave you
swimming if the wind drops even slightly.

 I could beleive that a thermal wind in this sort of strength might be
different but a depression wind will be pretty gusty unless there's a
lot of open space upwind.

 It's fun to do it a few times & to try again occasionally but when you
get faced with day after day of force 7-9 winds it gets frustrating not
being able to do anything but try & stay alive.

 I'll take force four to six please!

	W.

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From: wazenski@egr.duke.edu (Michael T. Wazenski)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Board Recommendation Needed: New BIC Tempo
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:07:42 GMT
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

For those who have had the opportunity to test BIC's Tempo board, I
would like your opinion of it.  Specifically, I'm interested its
planing ability, speed, and maneuverability.  Please include
pertinent information such as your weight and type of board
you normally sail.

Thank you,
wazenski@egr.duke.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Subject: Tudor Mistral Finals
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:37:59 GMT
Organization: Interface & Control Systems, Inc., Melbourne FL

Is anyone that reads this newsgroup attending the Tudor/Mistral Finals
in Freeport next week? (Bill M., I lost your address)
If so, I'd like to hook up. Reply here or by e-mail.

Pat
 'P19'
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Subject: Re: Outer Banks - best time to go
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:07:36 GMT


>I plan on going to the Outer Banks, N.C. (around Kitty Hawk) in April and
>am wondering: When is the best week to go (or doesn't it matter)?
>
>Far as I know, mid-April there should provide constant 20-25 MPH winds and
>temps in the 70's (Fahrenheit). Is this accurate? Is one week better than
>the rest?
>

	Go as early as you can in April if you are looking for high
winds. The winds in Hatteras are mostly storm driven. The Nor'easters
that roam the East coast often originate in that area because of the
temperature differential between the Gulf stream and the cold currents
that go south along the east coast. The earlier in the season, the
higher the chance of getting a good storm. April is a good compromise
between temperature and wind. Bring a drysuit, since there is no
guarantee that you will get 70 F temps! Rather expect temperatures in
the low 60's or high 50's.

As the winds are storm driven (no thermals), going for a windsurfing
vacation in Hatteras is always a crap shoot. If a high pressure center
sets in, you lose (I have been skunked once for 7 days in a row :().
This is the reason I now choose windsurfing destinations that are
thermally driven (such as the Gorge or the SF Bay area) since they are
generally more reliable. But if you are lucky, you can get some
amazing sailing in Hatteras, especially early in April. Be sure to
bring a 3.5 .

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Lab

From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:46:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Which carrier to use shipping boards?
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> I am looking for recommendations on the best carrier to ship
> boards within the US. 

Maybe call any windsurfing shop?  They must know who delivers their
boards.


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com


"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as
simply messing about in boats."
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