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From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Re: CLINTON-FAMILY
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:36:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
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In article <C170G2.A9o@umassd.edu> s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU writes:
> 	What do the rest of you think about poor Chelsea Clinton. I wandered
> around my school campus and heard people making fun of the way the kid looks.  
It's all genetics, its not her fault. It seems that growing up in the 
> White HOuse is going to be a real strain on her. does anyone else feel
> bad for the struggling tike? It must be terrible to live in the eye of
> the world. Her life won't be normal for a long time between losing her 
> Ark. friends and being surrounded by Secret Service agents.
> 	Just my $.03 (inflation)

	I agree.  I've seen her made fun of on a least two different episodes  
of Saturday Night Live.  Twelve-year-old girls tend to be pretty emotional and  
self-conscious.  I wonder what she thinks to see herslf ridiculed about her  
looks on a nationally televised TV program.

			Sincerely,
			Tony Erwin, Mr. Guy Whose an Unstoppable Juggernaut

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From: rxz1011@ucs.usl.edu (Zamora Rodrigo)
Subject: Re: U.N. Rehash  (One mo time!!!!)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:38:47 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Re: U.N. Rehash
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan25.160210.15028@news.unomaha.edu> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
>rxz1011@usl.edu  writes:
>> <excessively long documentation deleted> 
	excessively long because certain people do not read my postings
	correctly in the first place, I will show you what I mean if
	you keep reading this one
>
>I believe you were called a dictator because you seem to be telling us what we
>should be thinking and calling us wrong and telling (me) to "Get Real!" when
>we are stating what we percieve as our reality.
>
        I am not telling anyone what to think.  I am expressing my opinions
and at the same time refuting what I know are outright mistakes on the
part of other writers.  Example: Columbia was not the only South American
country that the U.S. government interfered with militarily.  I am not the
one who called someone an Asshole or told anyone to shutup.  
I thought discussions are what this group is about.  If you don't like my postings...well they are very easy to skip.

>"Us"?  So, you actually consider yourself an American.  I was wondering.  The 
>way you talk (write) it sounds as if you hate the U.S. too.  If this is so, why
>don't you change the system?
	It seems one difference between you and I is that I don't consider
someone "UnAmerican" because he or she expresses resentment to the oligarchy which is our government. 

>> No, it is you who are confused.  The Shah was installed in Iran by 
>> the U.S. government (big surprise hunh?).  When his government was
>> overthrown the U.S. was harboring him.  This is the reason the hostages
>> were taken.  I don't agree with this, but like I said before it was
>> the U.S. government who created that situation.
>
>Does this excuse the Ayatollah's action?  It seems as if you say that two 
>wrongs make a right.  I thought the Shah hid in France.  But, if we did harbor
>the Shah, it would seem he could make a legitimate claim for political 
>asylum (sp?). 

	I wrote, I don't agree with this, that should answer your question
and is an example of how you don't seem to read my postings correctly
before you post a reply.  I also didn't mean that the U.S. harboring the
Shah caused the hostage problem, it was the installation of the Shah by the
U.S. and then, what I imagine, appeared to Iranians as the harboring of "our man" that I think caused the crisis.  I should have stated this before, but
I knew someone would get annoyed by my "excessively long documentaion."

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From: bahn@main.mndly.umn.edu (Christopher Bahn)
Subject: Re: Prophesy-End
Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:53:36 GMT

In article <C1DuLD.DFp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:

>s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU wrote:
>:      While in a very intense discussion of theology a Catholic
>: friend mentioned that I'd b etter repent now because the world was ending
>: soon. what was stated was that in the Good Book it is said that the 
>: ten toes of Babalonia (supposedly the united European states) is one of
>: the signs of the world ending. What if any opinion do you have on this
>: tidbit of dogmatic destiny? Should I quit college and go on the trip around 
>: the world now???

>People have been touting the end of the world since before WWII. 

People have been touting the end of the world for thousands and thousands of 
years. The Apostles thought they were living in the last ages, that good ol' 
J.C. would come back in their lifetime to bring about the Apocalypse. It's 
2000 years later, and we're still here.  But quit college anyway. The end of 
the world is as good an excuse as any.


>  My dad

>tells me that his dad used to get stopped by people who in no uncertain
>terms that Hitler was the AntiChrist and the end of the world was now.  
>Of course there are others who claim Saddam is the AntiChrist, etc, etc.

>You can read anything you want into metaphorical language, so I would 
>think you don't have a lot to worry about - but it never hurts to have
>a lot of canned foods either.
>       --MLM
>--
> ____
>/ oo \  Mike McCool 
>\ .. /  mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
> ||||   
> \__/   "There is no Heaven without a Hell."  --Slayer
From: csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu (Craig P Steffen)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: QOTD
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:04:06 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.gac.edu

Quote of the day:

"It surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together."
                                                           -Obi-Wan Kenobi
                                                     STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE

Craig Steffen
Wielder of the Grand Unified Field Theory
From: car-a@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Re: Speaking of Clinton
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:19:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

jmw-b@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>tim@iss.nus.sg (Tim Poston) writes:
>> 
>> [Lots of stuff about Bill Clinton and such deleted.] 
>> 
>> 
>> Why has nobody suggested that in Clinton's first 100
>> days he should invite John Major over for a meal,
>> and have him shot?
>> I know he's cutting weapons budgets,
>> but one BB pellet should suffice.
>> One small step for the White House Iron Guard,
>> one sigh of relief for the British.
>
>Yay! I'll contribute some money to the Conservative Party
>Travel Budget for *that* one!
>Any more contributions? It's a *very* worthy cause.......

My cheque is in the post.

Let's be done with it and flatten the entire bloody parliament, and
while your at it, take out the monarchy as well.

Chris Reece-Fawkes

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From: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: CLINTON-FAMILY
Reply-To: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:21:36 GMT

	What do the rest of you think about poor Chelsea Clinton. I wandered
around my school campus and heard people making fun of the way the kid looks. It's all genetics, its not her fault. It seems that growing up in the 
White HOuse is going to be a real strain on her. does anyone else feel
bad for the struggling tike? It must be terrible to live in the eye of
the world. Her life won't be normal for a long time between losing her 
Ark. friends and being surrounded by Secret Service agents.
	Just my $.03 (inflation)
From: svalich@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Svalich the Technomancer)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Re: QOTD
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:12:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


How about: 

Humanity i love you because
when you're hard up you pawn
your intelligence to buy a drink

                                 --e.e. cummings--

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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: YAQOTD
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:10:53 GMT

"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams

"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets
which it must turn over to the next generation, increased and not
impaired in valued."  --President Theodore Roosevelt
-- 
Some people think I need a new .sig, so please send all ideas
to jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu. The winner will receive an all
expense paid trip to Bermuda with me over Spring Break.
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From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: Re: Prophesy-End
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:58:25 GMT

s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU wrote:
: 	While in a very intense discussion of theology a Catholic
: friend mentioned that I'd b etter repent now because the world was ending
: soon. what was stated was that in the Good Book it is said that the 
: ten toes of Babalonia (supposedly the united European states) is one of
: the signs of the world ending. What if any opinion do you have on this
: tidbit of dogmatic destiny? Should I quit college and go on the trip around 
: the world now???

People have been touting the end of the world since before WWII.  My dad
tells me that his dad used to get stopped by people who in no uncertain
terms that Hitler was the AntiChrist and the end of the world was now.  
Of course there are others who claim Saddam is the AntiChrist, etc, etc.

You can read anything you want into metaphorical language, so I would 
think you don't have a lot to worry about - but it never hurts to have
a lot of canned foods either.
	--MLM
--
 ____
/ oo \  Mike McCool 
\ .. /  mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
 ||||   
 \__/   "There is no Heaven without a Hell."  --Slayer
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From: svalich@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Svalich the Technomancer)
Subject: Re: World history (sort of)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:17:31 GMT

In article <1k5bnrINNr5r@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
>You know... I REALLY try not to feel superior... Really I do... Sometimes
>though examples of how pitiful some of my fellow humanoids really are makes
>it very hard...

I think everyone on this planet shares a severe allergy to high-velocity
copper-jacketed lead.  Give it a try -- you might not feel so superior,
then.  ;-)

>
>Sigh... Where did they go anyway?  Dannye Quaylee Highe Schoole?

Alright, when Your Graciousness becomes VP of a major world power,
then you can make fun of Dan Quayle.  Until then, we'll all let you
settle for your own ego trip.

BTW, what does any of your post have to do with Monty Python?

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p.s. -- I like your .sig, however, and I agree wholeheartedly.
From: csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu (Craig P Steffen)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: CLINTON-FAMILY
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:34:13 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotspur.gac.edu

In article <1993Jan22.185027.570@news.unomaha.edu>  
werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
:Yep.  Chelsea is Clinton's daughter (as far as I know), and I can't help  
but 
:feel sorry for the kid.  

[stuff delteted]

Not only what you said, but she is going to find it impossible to live a  
normal life.  I don't know what the exact numbers are, but I venture to  
say that 12 is the youngest child that has ever lived in the White House.   
Another problem is, who is going to ask her out, when she gets old enough  
for that sort of thing?   I don't know about anyone else, but I would find  
it rather intimidating to ask out the daughter of President.  And what is  
she going to say?  "Sure, I'd love to, Mark!  Pick me up at the back gate,  
the guards will let you in."  She might be the nicest person in the world,  
but it would be kind of annoying to go out with someone who had the secret  
service guarding her every move to make sure that she wasn't kidnapped.

:
:Eric, Lord of Vengeance Beyond Death
:-- 
:"Why should I have nightmares?  I give them to you." -- Stephen King
:
:SIC GORGIAMUS ALLOS SUBJECTOS NUNC -- We gladly feast on those who would 
:subdue us. -- Addams Family Motto (as heard in the movie)

Craig Steffen
Wielder of the Grand Unified Field Theory
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:46:17 -0500 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tomahawk attack on Iraq
	<1993Jan20.180627.22719@news.unomaha.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.alt.overlords: 20-Jan-93 Re: Tomahawk attack on
Iraq Eric E. Buckner@cwis.uno (1697)

> goffgb@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> > In article <C12LLB.C1y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> (John Clear) writes:
> > > In article <1jevl8INN3j9@news.gac.edu> csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu
> (Craig P Steffen) writes:
> > >>I don't know...is it just me, or is it really stupid that there are CNN  
> > >>camera crews in the capital city of the country that we are rather
> hostile  
> > >>with, and may very well be fighting again very soon?  
> > > 
> > > they were there during the gulf war, and they are reporters, they
> arent supposed
> > > to be smart enough to realize staying in a warzone with a camera
> with a spot
> > > light is stupid.
> > > 
> > Ah, but if you had paid attention at the beginning of this mess, you
> > would know that CNN is the only news network in the Gulf who is NOT
> > using the traditional news cameras for their nighttime news shootsw;
> > they are using cameras specially geared with infrared (or something
> > like it) lights to not give away themselves or the people they are
> > filming. Some risks go with the job, though.

> You ain't kiddin'!  If the Iraqi's have infrared capabilities, they can find 
> the CNN news team easily...The infrared beam shows up to both the source of the
> beam and on other infrared scanners.

	Actually.  Its low light camereas which are more sensative to light and
don't need a light source.  Such things have been around for years they
work the same way as the night vision goggles used by the army et al. 
They are basically CCD's behind lens's instead of whatever is normally
used.  Which allows the camera to pick up individual photons and amplify
them,  It gives a grainy picture but it works.  Oh and IR detectors
aren't that hard to build.  You can get plans from the patent office or
several companies like Information Unlimited. and the parts come off the
shelf at Radio shack.

> Eric, Lord of Vengeance Beyond Death
> > 
> > Gina Goff
> > Mistress of Unknown Subconscious Drives 
> > > 
> > > John
> > > -- 
> > > John `SpaceCadet` Clear - jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu,
> clearja@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> > > PP-ASEL   C/LTC, CAP-NYW                                 
> -- 
> "Why should I have nightmares?  I give them to you." -- Stephen King

> SIC GORGIAMUS ALLOS SUBJECTOS NUNC -- We gladly feast on those who would 
> subdue us. -- Addams Family Motto (as heard in the movie)



--
For the LAST TIME, I am not the ruler of the underworld. I told Satan and
Ba'alzebub that, and I don't have time to keep telling it to penny ante fallen
angels now stop bothering me and go back to hell or where ever you came from.
ML5A@andrew.cmu.edu Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:58:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:

>> ... I know well that many men enjoy being 
>>parents and many more would cherish a greater role in their children's 
>>lives.  (Not just NCPs either -- alot of CPs and married folks would 
>>dearly love to have more time to spend with their children!) However 
>>some men are more concerned with their pocketbooks than with their
>>kids.  Alas this is also true of some women.

>Apparently, you would NOT include those women who abort because
>they can't afford a child?

My comments refered to "children", not foetuses.  
(I don't know of any women who complain of not spending enough 
time with their foetuses.	:-)	)

>>The law must be written to keep the scoundrels in line.  Scoundrels of
>>*both* genders.

>Is a woman who aborts because her pocketbook said she couldn't afford
>a child a scoundrel?  Do you advocate outlawing such abortion?

I don't think that, nor do I advocate outlawing such abortions.
What about you?

However, a person of either gender who does not support their 
children (note: "children", not "foetuses") is, IMO, a scoundrel.

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                                                --  Michal
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From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:33:17 GMT

In article <vb5ib1o@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>
>In article <C1Bzsq.HJJ@athena.cs.uga.edu>, hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
>|Is it legally permissable for men to have abortions?  If not, men don't have
>|"equal rights."
>
>Is it legally permissable for women to have vasectomies?
>If not, women don't have "equal rights".

Is it legally permissible for a man to financially "abort", just as a woman
currently has that right, distinguishable from her right to Bodily Autonomy? 
If not, men don't have "equal rights".

								- Kevin
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: good/bad?
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31:39 GMT

>I've concluded that the *good* of protecting the father's right to stop an
>adoption is not worth the *bad* of subjecting the mother and child to the
>risk of injury from an abusive father.

So, not only do you think a largish % (>10) of men who would stop an adoption
would be abusive you think that they should have to continue their 
relationship with the woman. Here I thought that the woman would cese to be
in the picture after words. BTW even if they cut the standered that fathers
have to stand agenst inorder to gain custidy of the child in half it 
probly would still be high enufe to protect the child from being abused.
Sham that adoptive and fouster parents aren't held to this standered as there
have been several case of adoptive parents going up on abuse charges and at
lest one were the mother sued/is sueing the adoption company because the 
adoptive parents beat the child to death!!
Figure that into the equation of fathers right to know and stop an adoption
vs P(father would be abusive to child) and remove the mother as she wont
be involved. should look as folows
fathers right to know&stop adoption + P(foster/adoptive parents abusive) vs
P(father abusive)
as P(faster/adoptive parents abusive) ~= P(father abusive) these facters
could be left out of the equati so that there is nothing to counter the
fathers right to know&stop the adoption.

Elf-Kin
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From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: father notification -- how would you work it?
Keywords: father notification, privacy, adoption, abortion
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:26:46 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>Some questions for Don and others who think father notification
>should be mandatory:

Forty (40) questions deleted.


>Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner.

I'd say.

Look for the response on CD-rom.

Until then, I have ONE question: how about either being more concise and 
focused, or proposing a legal tome of your own for others to take potshots?

Don
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From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: father notification -- how would you work it?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:52:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: father notification, privacy, adoption, abortion

Some questions for Don and others who think father notification
should be mandatory:

How would you work it?  

Would the woman herself have to notify the man, or would she
merely report his name and then the state would find him and 
notify him?  If the state, how would this be administered and
who would pay for it?

What would you do about women who declared that they didn't know 
who the father was?

What would you do to safeguard women who feared harm from an
abusive man?  

What would you do in the case of rape?  What the woman claims not
to know how raped her?  What if she IDs the rapist but he's acquitted?
What if the woman claims she was raped but hadn't reported it?

How would you deal with women who wanted to get an abortion?
Would you require the man to be notified in this case?  If so
would you require a signature showing that he had been notified?
What if the man refused to provide the signature?

What if it took a long time to find him -- so long that it
caused the pregnancy to progress to the point of increased risk
the woman?

What would you do in the case of a woman who gave birth and 
wanted to give the child up for adoption, and claimed not to know
who the father was?  Would you force her to keep and raise the 
child?  How would you enforce this?

What would you do in the case of a woman who gave birth and wanted
to keep the child, and refused or was unable to notify the father?
Does your response differ based on the financial status of the woman?

What about in the case of miscarriage?

What would you do in the case where a woman claimed that "John Doe"
was the father?  Or "Santa Clause"? Or if she listed a large number 
of possible fathers?

What if the woman named a man as the father, but he denied it?
Would you require testing of the foetus in utero? a blood test 
of the child after birth?  DNA testing?  Who would pay for this?
What if the DNA evidence confirmed the man's denial?  What if it 
didn't, but rather was consistent with his being the father? 

What if the test results were inconclusive?

Would the paternity information be public or private?  Would 
the father be listed on the birth certificate (assuming the 
child was born)?  In the mother's medical record (in the case
of an abortion?  

Would the information be available to the child?  At what age?
Would that require the father's consent?  The mother's?  Both?

-- 

                                                --  Michal
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