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From: Rick.Catania@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: S.I.G.N.S.
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: Rick.Catania@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24754

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

I'd like to take a moment here to introduce a committee which may very
well make some needed changes within vocational training shops.

Structuring & Identifying Graphic Non-Conformity Signage (S.I.G.N.S.)
is a committee which has been put together in Hammond, Indiana at
Hammond's Workforce Training Center (Area Career Center).

It's Motto is : "Quality Career Communications and Understanding"

Purpose:
Study and develop signs for business and industrial terms to aid the
hearing impaired population.

Objective:
a. Study and develop sign language terms for all classes offered at the
Area Career Center.

b. Enhance intstructor-student communications

c. Encourage social independence in the classroom.

d. Develop methods for interactive participation with peers.

e. Utilize new sign language in classroom as soon as developed.

Design a text for classroom use -

Design software programs for classroom use -

Protocols:
Review protocols for development of sign language.

   -----------------------------------

An international search is taking place in order to locate any
existing specific sign language terminoligy which would be appropriate
in meeting this committee's objectives. If none exists, then it will be
developed. The newly developed signs would then be shared with the
organizations associated with gathering information for the
education of hearing impaired/deaf individuals.

Comments are always welcomed.

If you wish to send a direct comment, send it to me, Rick Catania
Electronically,:    1:230/22 @ FidoNet
                   94:2190/2 @ ADAnet
                   86:8120/6 @ ToadNet

Via U.S Mail:

Rick Catania
P.O. Box 334
Whiting, Indiana 46394

 * SLMR 2.1 #T375 * Everything starts as somebody's daydream.

 # Origin: The Special Needs BBS * Whiting, Indiana (94:2190/1)

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From: Charles.Cafarelli@f104.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Charles Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: re: Hearing Aids
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:25:01 GMT
Reply-To: Charles.Cafarelli@f104.n2240.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/104 - FoxFire, Flint MI
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24892

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

SB> Since I became Deaf and wheelchair confined from a four car accident in
SB> '89 I found that OCTICON E38P is the best, but you really should go and

    Is that more powerful than a "Beltone Avanti"?  I've held off getting a
new aid, because I can't find anything stronger than the Avanti.  I need
something new.

Chuck

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From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Jaws Macros
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24844

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Walter.  Vocal-Eyes does support continuous reading, but if you stop
 reading, the cursor is about 9 words past where you stopped reading.  From
 your description, it sounds like indexing in Jaws allows for stopping the
 cursor in the precise location of your read.  Regards, Les

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From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Spinal Centers
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24800

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <16 Sep 92 20:48> Linda Cummings wrote:

 LC> Well, not exactly rehab, Joe, but at the pain clinic, they didn't
 LC> even touch on the subject of how to handle sexual situations.  I
 LC> think that should have been included since we were all adults.

The November 1991 issue of PAIN had some good hints on dealing with
chronic pain.  I didn't read the article, [it's on my to-do list],
but it might help.  Or, even the journal itseld.

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From: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Question about windows
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:31:47 GMT
Reply-To: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24979

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Barbara,

You asked if Windows is now usable by a blind person.  The answer is
for the most part, yes.  There is now one access program, Window Bridge
that does work.  There are still a few rough edges, but it does work.
There will be others soon.

I am telling people to get if if 1. you need it for your job, and 2.
you know something about computers.  Otherwise, I would wait six months
or a year.  I should add a 2a, you want to play.

This is my opinion anyway.

David Andrews

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From: Becky.Goldberg@f220.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Becky Goldberg)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Deafie world
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: Becky.Goldberg@f220.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/220 - Exit 47, LeRoy NY
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25000

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

-> who have ability to use their speech with others who don't sign.  I g
-> mixed feelings as to where to I belong.  I wonder is there are others
-> who feel the same way I do.  I get annoyed when people say, but you
-> speak so well why do you want to call yourself DEAF?

Hi there again! I know the feeling about people ask why i consider
myself deaf while I can speak so well. One thing they dont know is
that what it is in our heart. My sister, Amy is technically hard of
hearing but she calls herself deaf by heart even thought people has
opnion about it. Speaking well is my survial in the hearing world, I
dont know about others but I know mine.

So you work for VR near Charleston. Isn't that related to what you
majored in grad school? As I remember that you mentioned that you were
intersted in working with kids for IQ tests physchologist? Are you doing
that?

Becky

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From: John.Hargrove@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org (John Hargrove)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: football
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:41:21 GMT
Reply-To: John.Hargrove@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/68 - Diabetes Discussion, Austin TX
X-Fidonet: Abled Athlete Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24741

[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

In a message to Shawn Keen <10-01-92 03:05> Sheila Fava wrote:

SF>     Football is a contact sport, Shawn, and would be very dangerous
SF> to all  concerned.  The Athletic Directors have decided that
SF> football, basketball (and  other contact sports) will not be offered
SF> to blind athletes.  Safety for  the athlete is their first concern.

Tx School for the Blind must not of heard.  They have a football
team which plays full contact football.  Uses a base drum to get
their insturction from.

John

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From: Carla.Campbell@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Urge to drive
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: Carla.Campbell@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24988

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WF> Are these events restricted to Louisiana or do blind guys test
 WF> their driving skills all over the country?

Not only blind guys, but blind female-folk, too, have tried the driving
thing from sea to shining sea, Warren... though yours are the first
reports I've ever heard of injuries resulting from the adventures.  Most
of us stick to parking lots in the dead of night or back farm roads
(where I managed to participate in the minor, non-injury wrecking of a
little red car, once... but I think I've told that story here before.)

It's not something I've done in many a year, however. But I think a
*lot* of blind teenagers and young college-age kids try it.  After all:
driving is a right of passage for American teens and most blind kids and
half-adults don't wanna be left out.  Under the right supervision and in
the right place (an empty parking lot at low speeds) it really isn't too
terribly dangerous, (in my opinion, of course.)  But yes, destroying
one's family home and killing oneself and /or one's friends is a little
out of line, to say the least.

My latest forays into the ridiculous have been in airplanes, though, not
cars. There's a lot less to hit up there in the sky...

                                                  --Carla

... Read what I mean, not what I write!

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From: Jackie.Burtch@p19.f645.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Jackie Burtch)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: RSDS
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:28:43 GMT
Reply-To: Jackie.Burtch@p19.f645.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/645.19 - Rob's Wreck Room, Longview WA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24703

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

On (28 Sep 92) Pam Lyons wrote to Jackie Burtch...

 PL>  JB> did i hear a mention of an rsd echo? or conference?
 PL>  JB> Any help you need let me know.
 PL>
 PL>        Jackie, we appriciate your offer for help, and if we need it
 PL> we'll let you know.  How did your husband get RSDS and how is he
 PL> doing?  If you just want to chat or if you have any questions drop us
 PL> a line.
 PL>
 PL>                                    Talk to ya soon,
 PL>

Hi Pam  :)

My husband michael is just turned 40.  He developed RSD in 1984.  A
jackhammer mangled the front of his right leg <shin and foot>.   It
didnt heal properly, but unfortunatly the doctors were not *up* on
rsd at the time.  so... he didn't recieve proper treatment for it
in the magic 3 month window.  By the time he was diagnosed with
it.  It was too late.  He will have it forever.  That pain is
continual.   Akin to burning <like a poker> and walking on broken
glass.. etc..   In a misguided but well meaning attempt to fix the
rsd.  They forced steroids on in 1986/87/88

Injections.. pills..  As a result of this he developed Bilateral
avascualr Necrosis of the Femer Heads.  The death of the hip bones
essentially.  They over time crumble.   He has been in terrible
pain all these years.  They replaced one hip last year.   But he
had a massive heart attack from this pain and stress  ( and dealing
with workmans comp for years).  So it is just now becomming
possible for him to have the second hip replaced.  As there is a 6
to 8 month window after a major heart attack before ANY elective
surgery can be done.  Elective in the sense that he wouldnt *die*
without it.   So hopefully.. soon some of his suffering can end.
They hate to replace hips in a man his age (from age of 37 he has
suffered with this).

Note to all echo mates As I stated before.  Steroids have thier
place in medical treatment.  They are at times needed and
beneficial.  They do work a lot of the time.   ONLY BE AWARE of
what *could* happen.. and work with your doctor regarding this.
They probably know best.    Michaels nightmare is rare.  But it
does happen. Ask questions.. it is your body.  And do not let
workmans comp threaten to cut you off if you do not accept steroids
or a medical treatment you do not feel comfortable with.

They do not know how long michael has left to live now, his heart
was severly hurt.  Hopefully the quality of what he does have will
be better.

Time and god :)

Hugzz pam and thanks for asking :)

jackie

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From: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Denis)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Editorial
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:02:38 GMT
Reply-To: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25051

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 SR> Hi Ron, well, I grew up in a devoutly Christian family, and
 SR> although I'm the uncontested black sheep of the family I didn't
 SR> mean to give anyone the impression that I was poking fun at those
 SR> who believe in God, however they perceive Him.

Hi Steve,

I never took you message as a put-down of the BELIEVERS.  My
reactions come from two sources.  This locale is somewhat more than
fundamentalist and one can only be told to pray so many times
before hostility creeps in.  I never got this from family, however,
mostly well intentioned others who were too busy talking to listen
to themselves.

As for the drunk preaching at you, it was probably projection.  He
probably wanted to say, "pray for me, but not till after the next
beer--ok?"  Some times the worse one behaves, the more critical one
is of (or condescending to) others.

My second gripe on this phenomenon comes from my job.  I'm a
psychotherapist working mainly with those having more severe
psychiatric disorders.  I have seen the tremendous benefits of
religion as well as some incredible harm.  The harm usually comes
when someone is told that there disability is a direct result of
their past or future sins and that heavy duty prayer will result in
forgiveness and cure.  When carried to the extremes I've seen it,
this can result in everything from the discontinuing of needed
medications to the arousal of debilitating guilt over random
thoughts.

As I said, I have seen religion greatly benefit some of my clients
and feel it can be very constructive.  I only get fumed by those
who through thoughtlessness or intent inflict harm on those they
would save.

Sorry about getting carried away here.  My intent was to simply say
I hadn't misconstrued your message; my response came from somewhere
in me.  Guess it's time to stuff it back in there.

Ron

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From: Darrell.Shandrow@f204.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Darrell Shandrow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Mega Dots
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:32:21 GMT
Reply-To: Darrell.Shandrow@f204.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/204
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24982

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I believe the upgrade price from BEX and HotDots earlier than 3.0 is
$250.  The price to upgrade from HotDots 3.0 is $125.  It is pretty
good.

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: aladdin
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Organization: Olivetti AFD
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24937

With aladdin try running the package with the (/v) option on
the command line and I'm pretty sure aladdin will then go
out to bios for you.
At least it works on artic's and I must have one of their original
synthesizers.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DEAF DRIVERS
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:22:31 GMT
Reply-To: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24874

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > I am not deaf,  but I have hard the H.I. are also Better
 > Driver the hear Person. and i know it true to.

Joel:

Why do you say that?  I will grant you that a person who is deaf or
hearing impaired will be less distracted by the radio, or by
another passenger, but that same person will also be unable to hear
when other drivers toot their horns to alert about an impending
danger.  I think that hearing impaired person could be just as good
drivers on non-hearing impaired, but I don't see any reason to
believe that they would be *better* drivers.

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From: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Dubois)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Excessive Prices on Access Technology
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.666 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24925

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Lawdy, lawdy, there's been a few hot potatoe like threads in this
echo as of late.

I do believe that the companies producing access technology are making
a profit, but I don't think it is as exorbitant as your post may lead
some to believe.

Consider the research and development costs, the limited market, the
competition, and the changing technology, and it's surprising that
that one can purchase a product for, dare I say it, fifteen hundred
gahoopies.

This is not to suggest, however, that the most expensive is necessarily
the best.  On the contrary, I have seen occasions when third class
driving beats first class walking.

I think it may be more of a case of supply and demand rather than
companies "lining their pockets."

Just my opinion.

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From: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey Vandyke)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: 4 wheeler
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:01:43 GMT
Reply-To: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25048

BG>Hi, I just got the name when I was using my Invacare Arrow XT with it's
BG>large balloon tires in unusual circumstances and terrain. Now
BG>
BG>It was fun checking out creek beds, gardens, and forest trails. Now I'm
BG>living in downtown Rochester so I don't get much chance at
BG>off-roading unless it's a construction site <grin> :)...
BG>
BG>How are things your way? I noticed your tag line, does that mean you
BG>tend to wander off the beaten path too?
  Every chance I get, but that means not lately. My present chair, I
wouldn't dare take anywhere off-road except level grass. It's just
not meant for it (E&J Lancer), but is great on the sidewalk.
  My best off-road chair I owned was an Ortopedia (from Germany) and
that chair HAS been up a 30 degree hill (maybe 35) with 2-3" rocks all
over the slope. The steering system finally gave up the ghost, and I
haven't gotten it repaired because of $$, having to send all parts
back to Germany for repair and a lack of knowlege of how Customs works
(it would have to go out thru customs to Germany, and back in thru
Customs on its way back to me). Another chair that was very tough
was my first electric: a Stevens Motor Chair. We bought that one
second hand, and I had it for at least 6 yrs. The tires never needed
replaced, and were so tough that I never got a flat, and many times
ran it over broken bottles on the sidewalk. The chair weighed 300 lbs
empty, had manual steering, and a built-in charger that always boiled
all the water out of the batteries. I once forded a stream in it:
the water was 6" deep, and I had to have someone pile rocks in a line
to get across. Reason you couldn't get it very deep in the water, was
the electronics were mounted low inside, and nothing was waterproofed.
It was a very old design. It used relays and resistors for speed
adjustment, so it didn't get too far on a charge.
  I HAVE taken both on forest trails. Sure beats staying on any
sidewalk, doesn't it? Did you ever have any trouble from your XT
from this usage?
                       -- Jeff

 * SLMR 2.1a * My other wheelchair is a Sherman tank >>>>>>>>

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From: nmlrc@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Miriam Unruh)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: JAWS and CD Roms
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:49:55 GMT
Reply-To: nmlrc@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Miriam Unruh)
Organization: University of Winnipeg
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24689

Does any one out there know how to set up JAWS macros that will
read the pull down menus in such things as the Grolier Electronic
Encyclopedia etc..  I don't seem to get anywhere with setting
these two up together.
Miriam Unruh
From: Lon.Barfield@cwi.nl (Lon Barfield)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Braille shaped keyboard
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:11:31 GMT
Reply-To: Lon.Barfield@cwi.nl (Lon Barfield)
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25027

Hello.

I've got a question about single-hand Braille keyboards.

In the eighties there was a portable wordprocessor called MicroWriter.
It was about the size of a thick paperback book and had a small LCD
screen.  What was interesting was the fact that it made use of a
single hand keyboard. Each finger tip of your right hand rested on a
button and letters were entered by chording (pressing one or more
buttons together at the same time, like playing chords on a piano).

What I want to ask is; has anyone come across a similar thing based on
Braille characters; an array of six buttons arranged like the dots of
a Braille character. like this:

O O
O O
O O

(I can't read Braille myself but I think it is 6 dots)

Letters can then be enterd by pressing the combination of buttons
correspondoing to the Braille charater for that letter. Some
characters would be quite difficult to key in in this way, but people
familiar with Braille would already know the chording pattens.

Basically I'm just curious about whether it exists or not, and if so
what it's like to use.

(email me or post responses here)

cheers
From: Tim.Grady@f450.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Grady)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: DecTalk Songs
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:32:11 GMT
Reply-To: Tim.Grady@f450.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/450 - GRADY'S BBS, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 24981

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi all.  If any of you out there (other than Willy, and he knows
why; & I thank Willy once again), has any source info for the
availability of files to make DecTalk sing, I'd really like to
receive such data.  I'm trying to enhance the collection as much as
possible.  Thanks as always.

I'd like to know if you had any, and if so, would it be possible to
get them from you?

Tim

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