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From: Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Changing face
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:54:32 EST
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In article <q6LNVB14w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, Don Becker writes:

> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
> 
> > > newcomers have any weird grimmicks? I rest my case.
> >  
> > Max Moon comes to mind. So does Yokozuma. And how about Damian (Mondo Kleen) 
> > Demento?
>  
> And there's always Nailz, the Samoan Headshrinkers, Lance Cassidy (please 
> don't ressurect the Singing Cowboy, Vince. PLEASE!), Dink (or Doink) the 
> Clown, and Jerry "The King" Lawler.
>  

Jerry Lawler has ALWAYS been The King. And what's the difference between
Damien Demento and Mondo Kleen? Different name, same silly gimmick. It's
not like he was a Calgary aerialist in a previous incarnation. The 
Headshrinkers? Well, they were The Wild Samoans elsewhere, so this isn't
a change for them either. Yokozuna, however, is bad. I'm expecting the
Japanese to bomb WWF HQ some morning. Good thing it's far from my house. :-)

> No, I'm not schizophrenic.

It is not I am am crazy... it is I who am MAD!

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From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Sting's knee and WrestleWar (was Re: Questions...)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:08:26 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

Since we all know that Sting's knee injury was real, my question is this:
 
Before Sting messed up his knee, Lex Luger was scheduled to defend the US 
title against Dr. Death (in fact, they hyped that match during Clash X). My 
question is: Was Lex to job for Doc?
 
--Don

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From: jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson)
Subject: Re: Yo! Stromer Supporters...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:38:47 GMT

In article <+8T=++A@engin.umich.edu> joepet@statler.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow) writes:
>
><<long diatribe by both men deleted>>
> 
>Tell me, isn't it both bogus and sad to post someone's e-mail
>without their permission?  Phil may have been offensive, but at
>least he was never this un-ethical.  Still, I say keep Mike and
>Phil around, if only to set a bad example for the rest of us.
> 
>Joe Petrow
>joepet@engin.umich.edu

    Actually, i have seen this argument before.
    The Laws of the United States and the United Kingdom, (and others, 
probably) explicity state that PERSONAL MAIL (including electronic mail)
Is the EXCLUSIVE POSSESSION of the RECIEVER.  The sender has NO CLAIM of
ownership on private mail.  It is always polite to request permission, 
but it is NOT neccesary.

Jeremy Nelson

ObWrestling: Why is it whenever there is an 8 mag tag team with some
really monstrously large men, they always worry about "the ring not
being strong enough to hold them" but you never see any such worry about
Battle Royals?

-- 
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Boxing etc
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:58:45 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-12-92 19:51

R :From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)

R :All right, I can't stand this anymore.  Could someone *please* explain
R :the claim boxing is a work which so routinely pops up on this newsgroup?
R :Almost every time some idiot tries to enlighten us by informing us that
R :wrestling is fake, someone responds by saying the same thing is true
R :of boxing.  I also remember someone (Sean Ryan?) saying they'd worked
R :with a boxing promoter and knew for a fact that many matches were a
R :work.  Could someone drop the veiled references and go into detail
R :about how boxing is fake?  To what extent is is pre-determined?  What
R :proof is there?  Which big matches were rigged?  Etc., etc., etc.

 Well there isn't any "proof" but this stems back (from when I can 
remember) to the Ali/Liston Match and that "invisible" punch.
 
 Boxing today is BIG Money, and in spite of a "lucky punch", I really 
believe there is more to this. Naturally any "proof" would be 
distasterious for the powers that be.
 
In retrospect, Mike Tyson couldn't beat a jobber like Douglas but 
steamrolled his opponents on his way UP. Wrestling has a Tour and is a 
weekly Event so said events are "booked". Boxing is a once or twice a 
year deal (for the Champ) and perhaps quarterly for contenders. There 
is no doubt in my (feeble) mind that Boxing is any "cleaner" than Pro 
Wrestling.
 
  Marv...........
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From: isbell@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Isbell)
Subject: Re: Yokozuna(sp?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:20:27 GMT

cheshire@acca.nmsu.edu (Lost his reality.) writes:

>So far, I haven't heard many good things about Fuji's latest find, Yokozuno (sp?).  Am I the only one who actually likes this guy?  I think anyone who can
>do a belly-to-belly with that much belly to move deserves a lot of credit. 

Actually, I think you are the only one who likes Yokozuna.  I think the Sumo
gimmick is crap.  If he were allowed to wrestle, I might change my opinion, but
right now I think he's extremely boring.

>With Kamala, the Ugandan poster-boy for weight-watchers, turning face, I would
>like to see a match between him and Yoko.  Any possiblity of this happening?
>Maybe it could be Undertaker/Kamala vs. Yokozuno/Nailz.  Now there would be
>a really bizarre encounter.

That would have to be the slowest match in the history of the universe.  You'd
have to watch it at twice normal speed just to realize they were still alive.

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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Musings & 2 questions
Date: 10 Dec 92 19:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

PC>With Jerry Lawler showing up in Titan, does this means that he no longer vie
  >it as "second-rate" group with a "paper" champion. He seems rather phony, in
  >the light that in the light that he has such an extensive history of bad
  >mouthing both major promotions. But then again, phonieness is Lawler's
  >trademark....just ask any of his ratsor better yet his wife....

Wrestling is a business built on deciept and hypocrisy.  LAwler's
action's prove that.

PC>Is there any truth to rumor that Van Vader will be getting a major push in N
  >after the new year? I was under the assumption that he was over here, becaus
  >the necessity to make him "fresh" in the Japanese fans eyes, e.g. reinvent t
  >Van Vader character. If this is the case, will Halme & Norton be looking at

Vader is already over HUGE in Japan.  He was over here for work, in
between tours.  He was pushed well before, as a tag champ.  Right now
though, New Japan in a little ticked at him for working over here
instead of having knee surgery.  He then had the surgery and was forced
to miss the NJ tag tourney.

  >in WCW, eventually? BTW, Norton is at least getting tolerable. Halme, on the
  >other hand, seems like a hopeless case...

Norton is definitely improving.  Halme is not.

PC>Is there any truth to the rumor, that when Dusty's contract is over (Feb. '9
  >believe), he will be starting a feed in Fla. for WCW? I know that feeder cir

I hear he has already been told he will be let go.

  >|  pc_fool@acca.nmsu.edu OR        |  "We'll do it the old fashioned way,
  >|  dlark@nyx.cs.du.edu             |   we'll come back as the Midnight Rider

Are you still "freakin' navigating,"  to paraphrase something that only
a few hardcores sickos will understand.
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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Don't ban phil stromer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:17:15 GMT


Mike Palij writes:

>                                    I've read some of his posts
>to other groups and it's clear that he gets a rise out of carrying
>on endless arguments.  I don't think phil is going to change.
>Sorry, he's not my cup of tea.


	That's what the "n" key and kill files are for.
	And by the way, it takes two or more to carry on endless
	arguments.  It really sickens me how so many of you say
	"I don't agree with cencorship (as long as what you say
	doesn't offend me)".  We can't ban people because we don't 
	like thier posts.  First it's Phil... then who? Brian Waczak
	DYLAN SAPIR, Maniac Mark, me, YOU?  No one is forcing you
	to read any ofthis stuff.  Granted, most of Stromers
	posts have nothing to do with wrestling but he will
	disappear if we ignore him.  Don't you realize he just
	wants attention?  He will go away if we don't give him any.
	I am not the first person to say this, but it seems there
	is always someone in this group who cannot resist arguing
	with the boy.  They are as guilty of posting garbage as
	stromer is.  "He started it" is not a legitemit excuse.
	Please excuse the spelling errors and references to any folks
	in particular. I just wanted to cite some examples of
	people who have draw some heat.

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov
From: Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: To all you WCW haters, eat your words!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:49:02 EST
Reply-To: uunet!admiral!birdland!andy
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Organization: The State of CT.... NOT!
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In article <1gdc0kINNcae@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Bill King writes:

> Jushin Liger and Sasaki [forget first name] vs.
> Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglass

Kensuke Sasaki. He's been on the tube a while now. He looks too thick to
be naturally built.

> Sting vs. Muta

Could be good, depending on how willing the prima donna is to work and sell
some moves.

> Too Cold Scorpio vs. Vinnie Vegas

Damn. Wish they would program him agains Pillman or Liger or someone who
could work.

> Anyway, if they are having cards like this for house shows, then the PPV
> should be pretty good as well. Also, when was the last time the Wiff or
> any other league had a card this good. I mean, the first 6 matches all
> promise to be great. So Watts is not all bad, OK.
> Bill
> -- 
> Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair

Great. Smuggle a camcorder in and add it to the pile of tapes for sale.

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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: PWI
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

RK>May anyone one out there tell me, what PWI actually is ???

RK> Thanx,

A waste of whatever money it costs.
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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: Superstars of Wrestling
Keywords: Update
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:35:21 GMT

In article <Bz5qws.BC4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
>
>  Interview with Bret Hart.  Heenen comes down and introduces Flair, then
>Ramon.  Ramon flicks Bret with his toothpick, fight, double team, Mr. Perfect
>comes out and Bret and Perfect beat Flair and Ramon off the stage.  Bret
>pats Hennig, but Hennig gives no acknowledgement of Bret, he's just pissed
>at Flair & Ramon.
>
>  Next week: Back to a pretty ordinary line up, with the Big Bossman,
>Crush, and Yokozuma wrestling, and announcing some of the participants in
>the Royal Rumble.
>
>
>Thoughts:  Well, for Hogan to get a shot at Wrestelmania, he'll have to 
>win the Royal Rumble.  I first I thought that Lawler would win the RR, but
>there isn't much time to generate heat for him in the title match at
>Wrestlemania.  If Ramon wins, that sets up the winner of the RR (a face if
>Razor beats Bret) to probably take the title at WM IX.  Any ideas?


	First, forget Hulk Hogan. There is no way
	he's going to return to wrestling.  At the very most, he'll
	make a guest apearance but nothing more. He is old and rich
	and certainly deflated.  However, he is still recognizable
	and McGreedy will continue to use his personna to sell his 
	product.

	My Prediction for WM main event:
		Brett Hart vs. Mr. Perfect

	Why? First consider who might be candidates for a WM main event.
	Certainly Ramon and Flair are drawing the most heat. Most pushed
	faces would be Hart and Perfect (remote possability of Backlund).
	Now if Flair wins the belt before RR, that kills the main event
	of Ramone-Hart. I think that is unlikely to happen.  That may also
	create friction between Flair and Ramone and I don't think McGreedy   
	is going to split them up yet. Another possibility is Ramone defeating
	Hart to take the belt.  This is possible but who would then be the
	obvious choice for WM ? --I'd say Perfect but Perfect-Ramone is
	being advertised for house shows in Denver and New York for
	January.  I'd say that rules out a Perfect-Ramone WM main event.
	My guess is that Hart will retain the belt through RR and defend against
	Perfect.  This match follows the current trend of booking better
	wrestling matches (Hart-Bulldog, Hart-Micheals) and continues to
	push Perfect.  I also felt that after Perfect made the run in for
	Hart, Perfect eyed Harts belt with the intention of displaying
	his  desire.
		An outside possibility is Ramon defeating Hart and Bob
	Backlund getting the shot at WM.

	Anyway, just a couple of ideas.... Any other comments?

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov


	
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Subject: Yozozuna/Earthquake
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:36:06 GMT


Those that were wondering if these two huge guys would meet, there are two
house shows scheduled for matches between them.  Denver (I think it was) and
Reno, just 2 days prior to Royal Rumble.


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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: r.s.p-w Spelling Bee, Round One
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Summary: How the hell do you spell it?
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:07:44 GMT

Ok, how do you spell Yokozuna, the WWF's new sumo wreslter/pro wrestler?
I've seen his name spelled several ways, including
	- Yokozuma
	- Yokozuna 
	- Yokosuma
	- Yokosuna

Which, if any, is it?


ObWrestling: I watched a few of the older Clashes (X, XI, and XII)
last night. It's amazing how much talent WCW has lost in the past year
and a half: Steiners, Flair, Luger, Roadies, Samoans, Midnight Express,
Jim Cornette, Sid, Arn, Mark Callas, Nasty Boys. All together, that's 
2 managers and 15 wrestlers: 5 tag teams, and 5 singles wrestlers.

You wonder how much more hemorrhaging WCW can stand before it's falls
below pro-wrestling's equivalent of the Mendoza line. Who knows, maybe
it already has.

-- 
Cal...
                                    "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."
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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Ladies' Tag Team Titles
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Hisaharu Tanabe) writes...
>They lost the titles to the G.G. on June 8th, '88 somewhere around Tokyo.
>I don't remember GG defending the titles after that, and I believe that was
>the last title match.
> 
>One with longer hair, Itsuki ???(formerly Yamazaki) currently onws a sushi
>restaurant in Manhattan with her husband.  The other one, Norio Tateno, once
>retired from All Japan Women but started again for LLPW, yet another ladies
>promotion in Japan.

    Just how many woman's promotions are there in Japan?  They seem to be
popping up at an alarming rate.  Do any of them have a regular TV show 
besides All Japan Women?  More importantly, do any of them compare to the
incredible quality of All Japan Women?  I know the ladies from Frontier
Martial Arts are doing an interpromotional thing with AJW, and I get the
feeling that FMW's ladies aren't going to be anywhere near the quality of
AJW.  I hope this isn't the case, because I would really, really hate to
see the match quality of AJW watered down in any way.
     BTW, is there a special training school for AJW?  I notice they
wrestle a certain way that I never see anywhere else (constant screaming,
no rest holds, etc.).  When I've seen AJW go against non-AJW women, the
match quality almost always suffers because the non-AJW women can't work
at the same hyper-high quality of the AJW regulars.  Is that because they
get special AJW-specific training or something?

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From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: KEEP SUBJECT ON WRESTLING
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:30:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


VD <ACPS7032@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>I'm sick and tired of seeing and reading posts that are not even
>wrestling related in this conference

I've got news for you...this isn't a "conference," it's a
newsgroup.  You could save yourself a load of potential
embarrassment by learning the difference between the two.

>If you want to reply to someone please use your brain and send
>them mail ..... post only if the conversation is on wrestling
>and it pertains to everyone else !!!!!!

I think the problem here is that everyone acts as if this was a
"conference."  People follow up to this newsgroup when they should
have followed up to a more appropriate newsgroup (namely alt.flame).
E-mail means nothing, as several people have mentioned that Stromer
ignores most of the e-mail sent his way.  But that doesn't mean
that people should have just blindly followed up their responses
to this newsgroup, either.

Basically, if everyone on here would have directed any of Stromer's
posts and their followups to Stromer's posts to another newsgroup
(namely alt.flame), we would have never had to deal with any of
this.  IMO, the newsgroup as a whole is as guilty as Stromer
himself is.  BTW, I believe that at least 90% of the people reading
this newsgroup have newsreaders which are capable of directing
someone else's posts and their followups out of this newsgroup.
So, in summary, shame on you for being so goddamned lazy.  And if
you took part in any of these threads and don't have a setup which
allows you to direct posts and followups out of this newsgroup, you
should have recognized your limitations and just shut up to begin
with.
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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   12/10
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:02:59 GMT

In article <9212112025.AA05838@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes:

>>  - WWF has it's annual Royal Rumble PPV on 01/24/93 (or is that 01/23/93?)
>>      - 30-man Royal Rumble which will include Jerry Lawler,
>
>
>>      Earthquake John Tenta finishes with the WWF after the show and joins 
>>    the All Japan crew. 
>
>Bummer... no Quake vs Yokasuma Sumo match.  :-)  :-)
>


	This match (not sumo though..) is being advertised for 1/22 at
	McNichols arena in Denver.

					John Mastrangelo
					ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov


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From: lucasg@vccnorthb.its.rpi.edu (Greg E. Lucas)
Subject: Re: KEEP SUBJECT ON WRESTLING
Reply-To: lucasg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:28:09 GMT

In article <92348.184407ACPS7032@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>, VD <ACPS7032@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
|>     I'm sick and tired of seeing and reading posts that are not even
|>   wrestling related in this conference .... If you want to reply to
|>   someone please use your brain and send them mail ..... post only
|>   if the conversation is on wrestling and it pertains to everyone
|>    else !!!!!!

Excuse me, I must have missed the wrestling in this post.  ;-)

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