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From: torab@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Homayoun Torab)
Subject: Re: Persian Music
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:25:41 GMT

From article <18627.2aad38a6@levels.unisa.edu.au>, by 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> Salam Doostan
> 
> I saw a while back a number of people were discussing buy or selling
> treditional Iranian musical instruments such as KAMANCHEH, SETAR etc. and also
> a number of postings were concerned with the nature of PEARSIAN music as
> compared to western music etc.
> 
> So as I know there are a number of people with great expereince in music in
> this group I would like to ask a few questions related to PERSIAN music:
> 
> 1) I do not have any knowledge of music at all. I would like to know if it is
> possible for me to learn the KAMANCHEH, How difficult is it etc.
> 
> 2) Is there texts available for this ?
> 
> 3) Is there texts available for PERSIAN MUSIC ?
> 
> 4) Is it possible to obtain the instrument itself outside IRAN ?

3 - I found this book pretty useful for learning a bit about 
music rules and  basics:


---------------------------------------------------
"The'or-ieh Musighi",   Theory of Music 

AU: Faramrz Payvar 
PU: HonArkadeh ZibAyeh HonArhayeh Iran (LA, California)

PR: $6

___________________________________________________



The book written in Persian(Farsi) . From part of the intorduction: 

...... This book in essence is a summary of all the necessary and 
useful points in Music theory (including Persian Music) and is good
for those who want to spend major part of their time on using the 
instruments.
......

There are couple of more books in Persian Music that I know of.
I can try to look them up over the weekend and  post it.

Regarding finding Music instruments, there should be lot of
places in West Coast and also Washington D.C area which sell 
traditional Persian  music. One number that I have is:  

"Farabi Instruments: Tar, SetAr,Zarb,KamAncheh,Santour" 
"818-703-7341" 
Maybe friends in those area could be of more help. 

I know a guy here in Columbus, OH who makes SetAr also, but 
I don't think this is the instrument of your choice. 

May be Asghar Agha  with his new line of Music critique could 
be of help too. :-) 

regards,

Homayoun Torab
 
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Homayoun M. Torab
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: root@mecad.uta.edu (Operator)
Subject: UTAtest
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:46:55 GMT



This is a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Akhound Khamenei and Women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:29:09 GMT

assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:

>I was watching a videotape last night. It is called "Two Faces
>of the Iranian Woman" ("do chehreh zan-e Irani"). There is a
>scene in it that is truly gross and deplorable. In that scene,
>akhound Khamaenei is sitting down with a blanket (or sheet)
>over his feet and hands. Women (wrapped in black covers from
>head to toe) pass by and touch/kiss Khamenei's hands and feet
>from over the blanket. The worst part is that, Khamenei
>occasionally takes something from his mouth (looks like his
>mouth water) and gives to women. Even worse is when women
>hand over their babies and he touches their head presumably
>to cure their illness.

>This is gross and deplorable! I like to see how Khomeini
>apologists justify this kind of repugnant, hideous and
>disgusting acts by their "leader."

I forgot to mention that he actually collects money (hard cash)
from the women. This is the true nature of the akhoundism to
take advantage of the un-educated sector of the society and
continue to spread "khorAfAt" and loring the least educated
people to believe that akhounds are "holy" and deserve this
kind of treatment.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zars10@trc.amoco.com (Andrew R. Slagle)
Subject: Persian Carpets
Originator: zars10@orca
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:32:34 GMT


What is the significance (if any) behind colors used in different 
Persian carpets?
What about the patterns?
Which villages (cities, towns, areas) make the best carpets? 
Could someone recommend a good book on the subject?

thanks
Andy Slagle
From: nasser@nasser.net.com (Nasser Modiri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Yellow Pages Of Iranian Professionals
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:53:50 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City


        You may be one of the people who I discussed the idea
        of developing an On-Line Yellow-Pages of Iranian
        Professionals two years ago. At the time 30 people
        responded.

        The main purpose of the yellow-pages is to put in
        touch Iranians who have similar work skills together,
        and possibly to start some joint activites.

        Some of you do know the outcome of the first call
        two years ago I made. NOOR was developed.
        The origianl group of the NOOR are some 20 people
        from the UK and the USA, and we are still going.

        If you are interested in this idea please fill in
        the template provided and return it to me.
        You may wish only to fill in part of the template.

        With thanks
        Nasser Modiri

For example:
---------------------------------------------------------
Subject:        Computer Communications  and Networking
Experience:     5 Years
Name:           Nasser Modiri
Title:          Senior Engineer
Affiliation:    Network Equipment Technologies
Address:        800 Saginaw Drive, Redwood City, CA 94063, USA.
Telephone:      (415) 780 5474
E-mail:         nasser@unet.net.com
Comment:        I am a software designer, particulary involved on the
                development of OSI based network management systems.

---------------------------------------------------------
Subject:
Experience:
Name:
Title:
Affiliation:
Address:
Telephone:
E-mail:
Comment:
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: homayoun@cayley.ece.wisc.edu (Nima Homayoun)
Subject: ** Door County Trip **
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: wi
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:44:29 CDT


******************** Madison Area ********************** 

Hello Everyone,


Reza Ghodssi and I are planning a trip to Door county to see 
fall colors. The place we are planning to go suppose to be one
of the prettiest place in Wisconsin. So here is the scoop:


When: Saturday Oct 3, (if not raining)
      We are planning to leave around 6:00 am, so we can get
      there by 11:00 am and stay there until 3:00-4:00 pm.
      We are either drive as a group or meet over there.

Where: Peninsula State Park. (around 250 miles from Madison).
       Around 4:30 to 5 hours of driving.

Drop me an e-mail if you are interested. We are going as a picnic
so if you are coming then bring some food. Also don't forget to
bring your camera !!

As I understand there are five different state parks in the door county.
Peninsula State Park suppose to be the best one, because it has a huge 
fire house (a tower), and you can see the entire bay from there.
Again I never been there myself, but from the rumors I think it 
is going to be very nice.

I called the "Color Line" hot line and they said that the trees are
changing color early this fall.

Let me know if you need a ride, I probably can fix up a ride sharing
schedule.


Nima Homayoun
257-4264 (home)

-- 
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Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engr.      homayoun@ece.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin-Madison           (Nima Homayoun) 
Madison, WI 53706-1691                    1-608-262-5130
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 17:18:59 CDT
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Munafeghin

Munafeghin-a zed-a khalqh are known to everybody entirely for their
participation in anti-revolutionary activities against the khalqh-a
IRAN. They are weak and can not propose themeselves socially or
politically to the people of Iran. They are defeated politically,
socially, and more obvious one militarily. They are so weak inside
and outside that are forced to get united to some politically and
socially bankrupt khak-bar-sari such as Saddam Hossein of Iraq.
Marg bar munafegh. Marg bar zed-a Khalqh. Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh.
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:35:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Response to everyone
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:51:19 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep11.34824.12668@ms.uky.edu> uk05650@nx30.mik.uky.edu (Adnan Al-Alharmoodi) writes:
>
>	I hope I haven't insulted anyone.  By the way I am orginally from  
>a part of Iran Where the people of the Iranians tell plenty jokes about.
>

Strange thoughts, I am from Shiraz and have heard jokes about Almost the
entire Iran except shiraz. I , being a shirazy , know that we have alot to
make fun of , besides shirazy accent which I honestly dislike . But I've
never heard any joke of Shirazi's. I would like to hear some if anyone
knows any jokes. as a matter of fact since I know it's rare , I 'll
challenge you to come up with a joke about shiraz. If I don't see enough
challenge, I'll start myself. But I wait for you guys and gals first. 

Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:17:44 GMT

In article bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
|> In article nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
|> 
|> >>basically throwing them all in a bus and taking them to komiteh.  I saw them stop
|> >>cars in Mohseni sq. and load a bus with people.  Several people I know where
|> >>taken to komiteh's while I was there.  Mr. Behnam Sadeghi says they weren't
|> >>arrested but rather stopped due to "their immodest dress".  What is an immodest
|> >>dress sir?  A brick colored manteau?   
|> 
|> The reports I saw didn't explain the specifics of the violations, so 
|> I can't give a precise answer.  However, I know for sure that what you
|> refer to above, i.e. the color of the dress, is not a cause for being
|> stopped.  Right now, in Tehran, all kinds of colors are used: green, 
|> blue, yellow, etc.  In the earlier years of revoultion, though, dark
|> colors were required (not by law, but in practice).  This was a 
|> requirement that in my subjective view was not reasonable.  I'm glad
|> that it was relaxed (because, as a Muslim, I know that Islam does 
|> not put restrictions on color).
|> 
|> Behnam Sadeghi


Not according to Mohtashami that said,  Iranian women are not clowns.
This was I think about 3 years ago.  I know it was a day after
Rafsanjani's order to relax Hijab.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department (415) 7 2 3 - 0 0 0 9  /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
From: nasser@nasser.net.com (Nasser Modiri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Help Needed Quickly
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:58:56 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City



Dear Friends,
        From the University of Sharif, Mr. Amir  Gahanger the head of the
computer sicence section of that university has requested for a link to
be set up between us and their university.
They would like the communication set up be through UUCP. On their side
they would provide a PC, modem, a system with Unix and a dedicated telephone
line. What do we have to do to enable them to down load some, e.g. public
domain software. They are very interested to start receiving and sending
e-mails.

Please, let me know how you can help, or forward this information to
someone who may be able to help.

with thanks and regards
Nasser

Dr. Nasser Modiri Senior  Engineer           *-------*   E-mail: nasser@net.com
                  Network Equipment Tech   @/  -   o  \@  Tel:    (415) 780 5474
                  800 Saginaw Drive        (   ) | (   )  Fax:    (415) 780 5001
                  Redwood City, CA 94063    \         /
                                             \_______/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:23:25 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Sep8.221422.11019@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>In article <assist.715983032@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
>|> 
>|>>1. His lack of experience with reality.
>|>>My friend, MKO has actively supported the invasion of Iran by Iraq and
>|>>Saddam's regime.
>|>
>|> Here is the first major lie. If you and anyone else could
>|> support the above statement, I'll swear to the legitimacy
>|> of the akhounds in Iran!
>|> 
>
>MKO's existance in Iraq is proof enough!   

Using the same logic, I suppose, since you "exist" in U.S.,
you must have actively supported downing of Iranian jet-liner
>
Asghar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen)
Subject: Re: Modest Dress
Organization: The Ohio State University 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:56:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.034549.26179@cco.caltech.edu> bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.115707.13123@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
>writes:
>

>
>Let's respect women who choose to wear the chador.  Let's also respect
>women who don't wear the chador, but choose less stringent forms of Islamic
>dress.

Lets also respect the women by allowing them to chosse what
is modest and respectable.

>
>Behnam Sadeghi
>

Asghar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: How could we help the victims of Andrew.
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:16:26 GMT

babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>
>>nakheyr ahmad AghA, bAbak is the same old bAbak. vali az hAjit kheyli
>>hesAb meebareh. So when talking to me, havAye dahanesho dAreh.  :-)
>
>What have you been smoking lately, that you are hallucinating again?  If you
>need Vaseline for members of your family, just let me know! -:)

Caught a big one. I can't believe you fell for it. I thought you were
smarter than this. Guess I was wrong!

>                   With a small jar for now
>                        Babak  Sehari.

    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:27:13 GMT

In article <19563.2ab665d6@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:

    [stuff deleted]

>People of your thoughts are .0000000000000000001% in Muslim world
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Here comes the net.math.police. The above number is 1 in 10^21 (that
is one in a thousand billion billion). It has been estimated that ever
since the beginning of this earth, there has been about 30 billion
human beings on this planet. So, your ratio would at most yield 0.03
of one-billionth of a human being (it would weigh roughly 0.002
milligrams! Insignificant I would say.

BUT, you replied to ONE live example! Things that make you go hmmmm...

>BTW, could you name a single country where there is freedom of full choice to
>every individual??

Planet Earth, before these 30 billion people came to destroy it.

>regards,
>
>asad.

    --mack

P.S.
For the humor impaired:     :-)

P.P.S.
Remember, you can recycle paper, but you can't recycle humans!
--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Is Iran/Iranians terrorist ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:12:15 GMT

sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:


>So , thank you mr. Ayatollah and mr. Rafsinjani and all others who
>contribute to this successful achievment of title " Terrorist ".

>Ramin S.

Dear Ramin S (hoot)

Don't forget Masoud after having so many successful operations.
He would be disappointed.  :-)

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:44:29 GMT

In article assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
|> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
|> >|>>My friend, MKO has actively supported the invasion of Iran by Iraq and
|> >|>>Saddam's regime.
|> >|>
|> >|> Here is the first major lie. If you and anyone else could
|> >|> support the above statement, I'll swear to the legitimacy
|> >|> of the akhounds in Iran!
|> >|> 
|> 
|> >MKO's existence in Iraq is proof enough!   
|> 
|> >SO when is the swearing ceremony?   :-)
|> 
|> Farhad, your conclusion above has some serious flaws in it:
|> 
|> [repeated stuff deleted, Gee how many times I have heard these]
|> 
|> Your kind of logic is similar to those of akhoundists. But
|> you are expected to be much smarter, however.
|> 

Not even close bud.  My logic is very similar to what most
Iranians think and it is far away from what the akhoundists
have in mind.  Unfortunately akhoundists have the Holy Molly
Guacamole religion as their weapons and have learned they can
easily control the people.

---

You guys do not get it, do you? 

It does not matter how legit your existence in Iraq is,
To most of Iranians you guys are in ENEMY's territory and
in their mind you are the ENEMY too.  Iranians have suffered
a lot in that war and it will be a while for them to forget.

Just change location,  move to Hawaii!  :-)

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department (415) 7 2 3 - 0 0 0 9  /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi)
Subject: SIP Meeting in Berkeley (Correction)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:35:29 GMT



		The date was missing from the earlier message.

		Meeting is on Tuesday September 15, 1992
From: ahmad@lime.uucp (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: How could we help the victims of Andrew.
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:29:26 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <babak.715553238@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <1992Sep3.170839.12312@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>>nakheyr ahmad AghA, bAbak is the same old bAbak. vali az hAjit kheyli
>>hesAb meebareh. So when talking to me, havAye dahanesho dAreh.  :-)
>
>>    --mack
>
>What have you been smoking lately, that you are hallucinating again?  If you
>need Vaseline for members of your family, just let me know! -:)
>
>                   With a small jar for now
>                        Babak  Sehari.


Still kinder and gentler, I like that. AghA Babak, I have been following 
your postings very closely and believe me when I say you have improved.
However there is a lot more room for improvement. Now that you have learnt
to express yourself politely, you should work on the contents of your
statements, otherwise people might say "khar hamooneh, faghat pAloonesh avaz shodeh".

BTW, you should NOT promote the use of vaseline in this forum; first of
all it's uncalled for. Second of all, according to an article I recently
read, vaseline has undesired effects when used in conjunction with certain
protective devices.

-Ahmad AghA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: IPD
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Hello  all :

Does IPD (International Product Distribution ~= mail-order) charge for
thier catalog ?  And how much ?

ThankS


Farid Hamjavar
Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Shajarian in Chicago?
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:26:02 GMT

In article <18mlj6INN6rf@smaug.West.Sun.COM>, jackn@caspianc.ism.isc.com
(Jack Neman) writes:
> In article <x8sn7!l@lynx.unm.edu> hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid
Hamjavar) writes:
> >Hello :
> >
> >Someone told me that Shajarian will be in Chicago very soon.  Can anyone
> >kindly confirm that?
> >
> >
> >
> >Farid Hamjavar
> >Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I already went to his concert in LA. His concerts for the rest of the cities
> in U.S. are as follows:
> 
> 	Chicago		Sep 6
> 	NY		Sep 13
> 	Boston  	Sep 19     Phone Numbers for info:
> 	Washington DC  	Oct 3/4    (703) 256-2656
Also -> Philadelphia    Oct 10     (215) 356-7737
> 	Dallas		Oct 17
> 	LA		Oct 31
> 	San Francisco	Nov 8

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

p.s. You can find more info in the Iran Times.
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Munafeghin
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:42:23 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <assist.716525892@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>>In article <assist.716412243@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
>>> <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>>Munafeghin-a zed
[stuff deleted]
> I am at lost here!
> 
> Could you Mr. Asad cover-women-to-make-them-close-to-god Abbas explain
> how my response above "clearly indicates" my kind of "democracy"?
> 
>>May Allah protect the islamic revolution.
> 
> Do you mean the Khomeini regime? Well, if you had slightest idea
> of how the Iranians inside and outside Iran are and have been
> suffering because of backward policies and absolute repression
> of the Khomeini regime, you would think twice before making such
> wishes.
> 
>>God help you,
and help you too.

MAy ALLAH protect the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION AND ITS LEADERS


> 
>>Asad.
> 
> 
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