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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Greatest Comeback in NFL history
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:17:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <C0ArpL.29t@acsu.buffalo.edu>, carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carr
ato) writes:
>
>I am numb. At 35-10, when the Bills got the onside kick, I thought
>of Reich's comeback at Maryland that we always hear about. But even
>in my most optimistic fanatical delusions I didn't think it would HAPPEN!
>
>To Oilers fans, I feel for you guys. To see the Oilers lose a lead
>like that must have been maddening. After the first six quarters of
>these 2 games I thought the Oilers were the team to beat, the
>way they dominated... I really don't know what happened in the
>2nd half. But ask the Raiders and the Broncos about the crazy
>bounces that can go against you at Rich.
>
>For those who missed it, 28-3 Oilers at the half, 35-3 with 13 minutes
>left in the 3rd, and then something magical happened:
>
>35-10 3rd
>35-17 3rd
>35-24 3rd
>35-31 3rd
>38-35 Bills late in 4th
>38-38 end of 4th, into OT
>41-38 Bills after Moon interception in OT
>
>Incredible.
>
>Unfortunately, the magic of Rich Stadium will not be a factor anymore.
>
>By the way, this WAS the biggest comeback in history, no?
>
>Mike C.
>"It is bedlam! Pandemonium! Fandemonium! Fantastic!"
>                       -- Van Miller, voice of the Bills
>
How can I lose, let me count the ways.  Too bad for Warren and company.  they
looked good in the first half.  I think the teams changed uniforms at half
time [a joke.]  Bills gave new meaning to the phrase: "Never say die."  And
they did it with a backup quarterback.  Big kudos to the bills.
-- 

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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:04:57 GMT

heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>backward sixteen times. Overall though, Madden and Summerall are by
>>far the best team of announcers.  

	I agree completely. But more credit needs to go to Pat. Before
he teamed with Madden, there was Sumerall and Brookshire. For their
day, they were easily the best announcing team, especially if you
loved Tom's extremely sarcastic comments. Apparently the fabulously
intelligent CBS execs didn't care for Brookshire, but were smart
enough not to dump Sumerall. The Sumerall/Madden team is an experiment
whose chemistry worked!
							--Sid

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: NFL's MVP - Steve Young
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:51:57 GMT

It was announced tonight that Steve Young, 49ers QB, 
has been selected NFL's MVP with Barry Foster a distance 2nd 
and in 3rd place, Emmitt Smith.  Let the tides of whiners 
come forth and decry the voting process. 

Personally, I find the idea of choosing a NFL player as the
league's MVP when you have a handful of legitimate 
contenders to be unfair.  It's a team sport! Neither of
the aforementioned players could have accomplished their
feats without the support from their teammates. 
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Steve Young bashing
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:18:20 GMT

In article <C0pFsq.79M@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:

>First, let me clarify that I am a Cowboy fan and that what I have to
>say has nothing to do with my wanting to see Dallas face a lesser
>quarterback next Sunday.
>
>Now, I can't believe the criticism that Young has received from 9er
>fans on this group.  One game, in one game, he fumbles more than he
>has the whole season (if I'm not mistaken).

Agreed.  For my part, however, I was attacking the entire offense,
including coaching, and not singling out Young.

>isn't Young a free agent this coming year?  Hmmm, imagine Young
>leaving Montana to qb for the 9ers who then goes down next.  Bono is
>not Steve Young, not nearly that good or smart.

That isn't the way it would work.  If what another poster said is true
(that title-game teams have to lose a free-agent in order to get one),
the Niners have an interesting choice to make.  Let either Young or
Montana go, and you can sign Reggie White.  Hello Mr. Pass Rush!
Whoever stays as the starter eventually gives way to Bill Musgrave.
In Montana's case that probably happens in another two years or so.
I don't see the Niners ever becoming "Bono's team".

>I hate to say this to you guys, but you remind me of the hoity-toity
>Cowboy fans of the 70's and early 80's--you have it so good, but you
>want to live and relive the past and criticize what's good now.

True enough.  We've got a way-spoiled bunch of fans out here.  Having
a slump-proof QB like Montana for a decade will do that to you.  What's
sad is that the Niners have avoided the pitfall that the Bowboys and
the Steelers fell into, of having several key players peak at once 
and not replacing them.  This is a completely different team from the '84
model and it's at or near the NFL peak.  If we avoid measuring the 
current team against the Gods of the Eighties, they can give us several
entertaining years to come.
-- 
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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:26:53 GMT


As a Seahawk fan, the greatest moment was the playoff victory over
the Miami Dolphins (24 - 20 if I remember rightly) at Miami in a Division-
al Playoff game of the 1982-3 season. I think Marino was a rookie. Miami
was expected to blow away Seattle, but at the final gun I remember the
Orange Bowl crowd being in total shock.

Seattle did get blown out by the Raiders in the AFC Championship
game, but that debacle was mitigated by the Raider's destruction
of the Redskins in the Super Bowl (the last time an AFC team has
won it).

Cheers!

P.S. The next year, Seattle pounded the Raiders at Seattle in the
Divisional Playoffs, while Miami extracted its revenge in the Champion-
ship game at Miami. And so it goes...

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Landmark/Zycor, Inc.                  fax  : 512-280-6731
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Steelers
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:25:16 GMT

In article <ofGUADi00VAyM4kkxi@andrew.cmu.edu> mt0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mohd Z. Tuah) writes:
>I'm not a Buffalo fans but I think the Steelers may have problems
>containing Beebe and Thomas.  After an incredible comeback last week, 
>look for the Buffaloes to win.  Steelers secondary is not as good as
>many people thought.
>
>Zaidi
>
Okay, I don't normally predict :-), but the Bills will lose.
Why? The Bills played their BEST EVER against the Oilers.
Too bad they didn't play this way their last two SBs. They would
be "three peating" this year. :-) No, seriously. The
Bills expended ALL their energy winning ONE game and IMHO,
they don't have the energy to pull off another one. Reich had
his moment in NFL history, but he will be history this weekend.
Meaning he and the Bills will be roasting chestnuts in the
fireplace when the NINERS and CHARGERS play in the SB.

In the event my prediction is wrong...:-), then I predict 
the Bills will win in an emotional, thrilling last second
TD to win. Then will die! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:42:31 GMT

In article <1ise3eINNfof@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
>Subject: Re: Free Agency
>Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:25:50 GMT
>In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

> >What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
> >he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
> >the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). 

This means you can lose players to free agency, but NOT pick any up if 
you're team is a final 4?  Where would a team compensate?  Is this that 
clause about extra draft picks if you lose members of the team to free 
agency?

> >I
> >guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
> >Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
> >such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
> >free agency.
>
>This will be known as the Al Davis rule. What a crock of shit, this move 
>was done to keep Reggie White from Dallas and San Fran. 

[some stuff deleted]

Duuuh..... I'm a little confused, can someone spell out the full free 
agency rules.  (Did I miss it?)  

T.I.A
From: danforth@trinity.llnl.gov (Bill A. Danforth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hail To The Redskins Song
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:30:24 GMT

Hello all,

A while back, I posted a request for the lyrics to Hail to the Redskins.  I
managed to get two responses (thanks to Brian Hunt[hunt@ipst.umd.edu] and
Ro Utley[rutley1@cc.swarthmore.edu]), and the lyrics are:

Hail to the Redskins
Hail victory
Braves on the warpath
Fight for all D.C.

Run and pass and score
We want a lot more
Beat 'em , swamp 'em , rush 'em 
Let the points soar
Fight on, fight on
Til you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton!
rah! rah! rah!

chorus


I am posting these, as a result of kla!earl@sun.com's request for the lyrics,
and I have a sneaky feeling that other people will be asking soon.

Go 'Skins
Bill Danforth
danforth2@llnl.gov
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:02:37 EST
From: Wb-1 <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILLS-BILLS-BILLS-BILLS-BILLS-BILLS-RULE!!!!!

Hey, this is just a mockery of what I'm predicting I'll see on the net as I
haven't been on net since break.  yes, I'm a Pittsburgh fan.  But a smart
Pittsburgh fan.  At 12:30 P.M. on Saturday afternoon, I was watching the
Pittsburgh Penguins game live at the Civic Arena.  What a game - the Penguins
won 3-2 in a preview of this year's possible Stanley Cup Matchup.  I can't
believe noboby would even take my extra ticket for FREE.  Pittsburgh is a
football town, but I'm a realist.  Buffalo is just too tough, at least for
Pittsburgh.  Maybe Miami - at least they'll have a chance.
  Go 49ERS!!!!!!!!
** Rob **
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dirty Waters swallowed his words and torpedos.
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:37:52 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

According to Emmitt Smith (as reported in the Dallas Morning News),
during the game Waters was saying, "Hold him up, hold him up, I want
to get a shot at him."  Along with threatening to break his (Emmitt's)
leg.

Waters, not surprisingly, denies having said that.  But, somehow, I
think I believe Emmitt on this one.  Emmitt also had the last laugh --
when Waters tackled him after an 11-yard gain, Emmitt got up, said
two words, and walked away:  "Nice tackle."  Emmitt said he was going
to let his performance talk for him, and did it speak volumes.

Daniel Welch
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions????? (Sleepers are Back)
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:19:40 GMT

In article <qswr3ph@lynx.unm.edu> metv@triton.unm.edu () writes:
>All Sleepers that made to the playoff won last weekend.  The Packs didn't
>make the playoff like I hope they would; but they have a nice winning streak.
>Look for them next year to be in playoff. The Skins made it and hope to defend 
>their champion.  Here is my thought and prediction for next weekend. 
>
>Redskins -  Joe Gibbs won the chess match on the game against the Vikes.  He
>is very intelligent coach.  Next against the 49ers, this game will be difficult
>for the Skins to win.  Against Young, Rice, Watters and the whole Niners; Gibbs
>has to come up with another brilliant plays and hope someone will step up and
>play well.  I hope Rypien will be the player who will be hot this weekend.  If
>Rypien is cold or so-so, Skins will have slim chance because they need score

Just a side historical note.  Gibbs' Redskins are 2-6 against the 49ers,
including a 1-1 post-season record (win in 1984 NFC Championship, loss in
1990 divisional playoffs).

>alot of points against the Niners.  If Skins are ahead in the first half, they
>might win the game; but if the Niners are ahead, forget it. 

Although, as we saw last weekend, no second-half lead is completely safe.

>
>Eagles - Pretty impressive against the Saints.  Cunningham look very good 
>throwing the ball and the defense look like they are in the top form.  They
>have a good chance against the Cowboys.  The Eagles defense have to win this
>game.  If they can cause the Cowboys to turnover the balls more than two and
>keep pressure on Aikman, they will win the game.  What about Emmitt Smith ?
>He will have a good game, but he can not do it alone.
>
>Chargers - They will not have problem wining over the Dolphins.  Their defense
>will stop Marino and the Dolphins WRs.  I heard Bernestine is back; so the 
>Chargers will control the Time of Possession more.
>
>Another game is the Bills and the Steelers.  I pick Steelers to win this one.
>With Kelly is out and O'Donnell is back, the Steelers should win. But if
>O'Donnell is hurt in the game, the Bills will advance. 
>
>Metro.
From: schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff thoughts....
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:18:36 GMT
Reply-To: schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell)
Organization: University of Nevada Reno

In article <0fG_Ena00WDKM36X4z@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>Here's a thought:
>My guess is that SD will avenge their loss in the "greatest game ever
>played"(tm)

>--Vernon.

Whaoa!  San Diego won that game.  41-38.  Went on to lose in Cincinatti.
But Sandy Haygo is going to win Sunday, too...

GO CHARGERS
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AFC Playoffs
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:43:04 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

SD vs Miami - Miami has much better receivers and a far better 
QB than KC did, and they will be able to do some damage
if Marino is hot, and they have a lot of quick release type
plays scheduled for Sunday, but overall I think Miami has
SEVERE matchup problems against San Diego.  The Miami
offensive line will be badly overmatched by San Diegos defense
and if the SD secondary plays as well as it has in the past
8 games, Miami will find it a long day.  On the other side,
SD should be able to run all day and night vs the Miami D,
and Stan Humphries to Anthony Miller/Nate Lewis will likely
present problems in the air.
I think San Diego will win this one, Marino and Co. will
need a stellar performance to keep their team in the game,
unless San Diego has a real off day.

Buffalo at Pittsburgh - 2 Excellent teams, if O'Donnell plays,
I would favor Pittsburgh.   They played a decent second
half at Buffalo earlier in the year, and are a much improved
team at this point.  In recent years Buffalo has pretty much
owned the Steelers, but O'Donnell has proved to be a factor 
in the marked offensive improvement the team has shown througout
the year.  Foster is indeed the best back in the AFC at this
point.  I do not much care for Mr. Fosters announcement that
he intends to sit out next year, unless they cough up
some 2 Million plus, he could have waited until after the
playoffs for such a distracting statement.
If O'Donnell is out, I fear Buffalo has too much physical talent
for Pittsburgh to handle, and I think the Bills would be on
their way to the AFC title game.

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From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: Steve Young bashing
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:01:17 GMT

Gary Beason (bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:

: First, let me clarify that I am a Cowboy fan and that what I have to
: say has nothing to do with my wanting to see Dallas face a lesser
: quarterback next Sunday.

: Now, I can't believe the criticism that Young has received from 9er
: fans on this group.  One game, in one game, he fumbles more than he
: has the whole season (if I'm not mistaken).
         .                  .
         .                  .
         .                  .
: Young is a great qb; he deserves to be the starter, not Montana,
: because you have to look at where they are now.  Sure Joe played a
: half and looked, but SF was winning for one and, two, Joe intimidated
: a patsy team.  Joe has been out there working with the team like Young
: has.  He doesn't have Young's mobility--so very important vs. a
: *young* aggressive Dallas rush.

: Be careful what you wish for--you may get it.


I totally agree.  All the fucking belly-aching about how Young sucks.
I wish they they would have traded him at the beginning of the year,
so they could watch Bono stink up the place.  Or Musgrave.  How much
better can you get than the top-rated passer in the NFL, 
Offensive Player Of The Year, etc.

I think they realize that the Cowboys are no Redskins.  Their worst
nightmare has come true, the Cowboys are coming to town.  They
didn't want 'em, but they got 'em.  And they know that the Dallas
Defense is going to be their No. 1 offense's toughest test to date.
So they are setting themselves up with an excuse, "We got beat because
Steve Young sucks, if Montana would've played..."; You can smell
that shit from a mile away.  I can't wait 'til Sunday!

Go Cowboys!


-- 
Richard Thompson
richard@ods.com
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Skins
Date: 10 Jan 1993 07:37:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan10.021530.22917@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
...
|I think the key to the game was the 49ers' D. They only allowed 73 yards
|on the ground, and the secondary did a fine job for most of the game,
|evidenced by the fact that the 49ers sacked Rypien five times (these
|were mostly "coverage" sacks). The 'Skins did score 13, but ten of
|these were the result of turnovers (Note: the announcers said that
|*ALL* of the points were due to turnovers. However, the 'Skins got
|their first turnover at their own 35 yard line; I don't count that
|as a turnover which "led directly to a score").

One of the things I worried about all season was the defense. Not only
because of the stats, but also because they seemed unable to stop a
passing attack for many of the games I watched. This game showed that
the niners really did a good job of working up the defense. Even
though  Young turned another dangerous performance, it was not
something you could say was endemic to past games, that is, it is
probably not a serious flaw in his play, but rather an anomoly (a
fluke as you say). Let's hope so. If the defense plays as well as it did
 today, and Young regains his composure, then I think they can beat Dallas.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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Subject: Re: Two "West Coast" Teams in the Conference Title Game ...
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:30:40 CST
 KA767JY@andrew.cmu.edu> <1993Jan10.191319.3496@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1993Jan10.191319.3496@oracle.us.oracle.com>, alaw@oracle.com (Alvin W. Law) writes:
> In article <4fHyF2G00WDKA767JY@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 9-Jan-93 Two "West Coast"
>>Teams in t.. Bob Ashley@oasis.gtefsd. (2071)
>>
>>> In article 5196@equinox.unr.edu,  schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:
>>> >
>>> >Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>>> >
>>> >Chargers beat Fish.
>>> >Bills beat Steelers.
>>> >
>>> >Niners beat Redskins.
>>> >Dallas/Philly whatever.
>>> >
>>> >The pairings for next week would be:
>>> >Buffalo at San Diego
>>> >San Francisco hosts game.
>>> >
>>> >Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>>> >coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>>> >time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>>> >to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>>> >history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
>>> > Or what does youse think?
>>
>>
>>> I think it was a couple of seasons ago when the Broncos and 49ers both hosted
>>> the conference title games ... they had the Denver game start at 11:30 local
>>> time, which equated to 13:30 here on the East Coast.  The 49ers then played
>>> at 14:00 local, which was 17:00 out here.
>>
>>you rule out the more obvious one one Saturday, one on Sunday. I don't
>>know if they'd do that, considering one team would get an extra day's
>>rest, but who knows?
> 
> Hoe about Buffalo at San Diego at 1:00 PST, Philly/Dallas at
> San Francisco at 5:00 PST.  I think the Niners game would draw a good
> prime time crowd, considering the matchups.

How about, I DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!

Brian


> 
> 
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