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From: SWMSTUDY@HKUCC.HKU.HK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Please post
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:51:00 GMT

Dear netters,
if any pro-democracy organization (not individuals)
want to buy the '64' Olympic Stamp issued in China
Please ask them to send their order to
Hong Kong Alliance.
Hong Kong Alliance got some limited quantities in stock before the
speculators come into the market.
Price: $2.00 (U.S.) per unit plus postage of  $20 U.S. per order by DHL

The following is the description of the stamp by a Wall Street
Journal Reporter:
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    BEIJING - Chinese philatelists claim to have spotted a daring political
protest on a stamp issued by China to mark the Summer Olympics in Barcelona.
 
    The newly minted stamp shot up in value after collectors noted that the
numbers pinned to the shirts of three marathon runners depicted on the stamp
correspond to the date of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, June 4, 1989.  One
athlete is tagged 64, a short-hand used by Chinese to refer to the month and
day when troops and tanks fired on pro-democracy protesters around Beijing's
main square.
 
    The runner next to him is number 9, and to his left is number 17.  Stamp
dealers note that 1 plus 7 equal 8. By a leap of logic, they say, the numbers
identify the year 1989.  None of the other runners have numbers.
--------------------------------------------------------------
HKA cannot entertain individuals or commercial firms.
They will only take order from pro-democracy groups only.
(Since they got only very limited amount,
 orders are limited to 50 stamps per group, on a first come first
 serve basis. At the same time, order less than 20 units will not
 be entertained)


Address of Hong Kong Alliance
9th Floor, Good Hope Building
618 Nathan Road
Kowloon, Hong Kong.

Fax: 852-7702209

Message can be sent to HKA via this email account
SWMSTUDY@HKUCC.HKU.HK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lug@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Female & Male (was Chicargo Tribune: how Zhuang....)
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:54:10 GMT

In article <Bs7Mrn.DoE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay) writes:
|> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> >>Given that the gap does exist between Westerners and Chinese men in physiques,
|> ><does anyone has any suggestion, good ideas on how China can shorten this gap?
|> ><How can China improve on male sports that require bulk and strength?


It seems to me that the drug abuse is only effective to Chinese female swimming athelets. An effective
way to shorten the gap there for is to find some drugs that are effective to out male athelets. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xinli@cs.utwente.nl (Xinli Hou)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.221102.323@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>From physics.purdue.edu!zhang Thu Jul 23 15:59:28 1992
>Return-Path: <zhang@physics.purdue.edu>
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>Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:59:28 -0500
>From: Zi-ping Zhang <zhang@physics.purdue.edu>
>To: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu
>Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>In-Reply-To: <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu>
>Organization: Purdue University Physics Department
>Cc: 
>Status: R
>
......
>
>I strongly encourage everyone from mainland to discontinue their subscription
>with Time. This is America man and money talks! Let's hurt Time where it really
>counts.  
>
I support you. I'll switch from Time to Newsweek. 

Tingli Pan
>
......

>-Ziping Zhang
>Purdue

>Tingli Pan

Thank you.

And one more suugestion: we should try to let people around us know how "serious"
TIME is. 

Let Chinese know it, let American know it, let European know it, let people all
over the world know it.

Xinli Hou

University of Twente
Enschede, The Netherlands



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:48:18 GMT

s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
|> 
|> 1. I didn't say San Mao's books are junk. What I said is:
|>        Qiong Yao's books are drugs, so to speak, while San Mao's books
|>        are not worse than junk.
|>    By that I meant QY's books are harmful while SM's books are not worse
|>    than something harmless but valueless.

I'm just picky. Your original sentence is perfectly fine. But
your explanation is not. Drugs are not harmful. Only when you
abuse it then it becomes harmful. So, QY's books, although
might be liken to drugs, does not necessarily implied harmful.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:30:43 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul27.155030.20674@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul23.215630.50355@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
|> exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li) writes:
|> 
|> |> >Olympic Mathmatics contest:
|> |> >   China No.1
|> |> >   U.S.  No.2
|> |> >   Romania N0.3
|> |> >   CIA    No4.
|> |> >Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
|> |> 
|> |> so what? some nerds and geeks gathered togather to have some fun.
|> |> does it necessary mean they will all become reknowned scientists and
|> |> mathmaticians? i don't think so. but if you do, try name
|> |> some famous names who were past winners of this competition.
|> |> 
|> 	Well, sounds to me like these nerds and geeks are smarter
|> than you and me. I did figure this one out somehow.:-)

Yes, every level has its best, if one can't be the best at that level, at
least one has to appreciate what other could achieve.

Lin Can
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From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:49:39 GMT

zuofeng@hylas.wustl.edu (Zuofeng Li) wrote:

>One of the GM officials commented, after the deal was sealed, that
<it is expected that the deal would help China gain MFN. China's
<essentially buying the Tempos (and Chrysler Maxi- and Mini- vans,
<and GM Minivans and SUV's), for the political leverage. But even
<then there could've been better buys than Tempos out there. :-(

Zuofeng raised a very good question. Even the decison was made at
high level: Spending millions $$$ in US to reduce trade surplus, the
deals were made by those foreign trade GaoGans.

In Taiwan, if government agency made a bad deal, the question will be
raised in the What-so-ever Yuan.

China's foreign trade Gaogan's used to make deals for their personal
gain at the expense of the country, they are under monitored.

Can Zuofeng (car expert) or Eddie (car selling expert?:-) prepare a
detailed report on the deal? If evidence show it is an obvious  bad deal,
let's try to sue the corrupted GaoGans.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jshen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Jun Shen)
Subject: Re: What happened to the Australian satellite?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.204733.18540@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu) writes:
>     What happened to that Australian satellite that is supposed to be
>carried into the space by a Chinese rocket? Haven't heard any news from it
>for a while. Last time I heard about it, it is said that it will be
>relaunched sometime in July.
>
>     Anyone has news about it?


People's Daily reported that the next scheduled launch is in the middle of
August.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: LuoShi YouYongChi (60 swimming pools)
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:30:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.000549.5797@ucc.su.OZ.AU> yayi@suphys.su.oz.au writes:
>In article <84209@netnews.upenn.edu> vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>For everybody's information, on p.777 of China Statistical Yearbook 1989
>>(published by State Statistical Bureau), table 18.20, there is a 
>>tabulation of 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' which includes lines
>>for swimming pools and a sub-category indoor pools.  The numbers are as
>>follows:
>>
>>                     1987              1988
>>Swimming Pools        155               366
>>Indoor Pools           35                61
>>
>>I am not entirely sure what these numbers mean, though, because as I mentioned
>>the title of the table is 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' so I am not
>>sure if the numbers are a count of pools built in the given year, or a count
>>of pools that existed in the given year that had been built within the last
>>few years.  My guess is that is a count of pools built that year.
>>
>>Anyway, it looks like the lame-brained Time reporter maybe saw the number 61
>>for 1988 and assumed that was a count for all the indoor poolsin the country,
>>not a count of pools built in 1988.
>>
>	I would like to say, in the sense of "Stadium and Gymnasium", that there are no many standard swimming pools for most of countries.  I am not sure how
>many can be identified in USA, but in Australia it is trure.  I am pretty sure
>that in Sydney less than 20 such swimming pools can be found, even though
>thousands family-built swimming pools exist, which were built by digging a hole and filling water in, compared to a standard one.
>
>	I don't think it is shameful for people whose country has only 60 such
>swimming pools for training.  It is enough.  The Time reporter possibly had not
>distinguished a standard swimming pool from family pools.  I do not think sh/e
>tried to start a war here.
>
>	"60 swimming pools for a country" is hard to accept it.  But it is easily to recon many other facts: such as very few people have own house and car.  I
>don't think it worths to heat up.  Dear commoner's commander Xiaoping can 
>recongize our country has not been well developed, let alone us.  It is said that it is hopeful to make our country catch up the four small dragons in 20-30
>years.  In other words, we (if you are about 20-30) are expected to carry this
>burdon by doing something really usful.
>

Catching up the 4 tigers is by no means easy job. Remember they are still
growing at average 6% annually and will likely continue this trend. So realizing
this goal would probably mean China again in the ranks of Rich Country.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: TV series
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:02:11 GMT

I just watched a Chinese TV show "The stories in the editor's office".
Quite an interesting show. Let's forget the social meaning, moral
standard, and political events. It takes away a lot of miserables I've
in the last few days from Time and NBC.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:21:39 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul29.153658.16306@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com  writes:
>
>Doesn't America include the north and south states? You did not anwser my
>question? 
Surely, America includes all of the states. But the states are inseperatable.
They form a unity called UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>
>Allow me to borrow this from an e-mail I have received
>
>"I studied Abraham Lincoln in my history class. I read Abraham Lincoln's
>works.  He is a personal hero of mine.  Jian Chen, you are no Abraham 
>Lincoln." 
You borrowed it or you made it? The statement is surely correct. I am J. Chen,
I am not Abraham Lincoln.

>
>ooooOOOOOOO, YES. I am glad you know some historical facts. Unfortunately, you
>forget to mention a very important one. Based on Cairo Decleration and others, 
>Taiwan is not a part of prc. 

You made a logic mistake here. I have repeatly said:"Taiwan is a part of
China." PRC is a government of China. It is a logic mistake to say Taiwan
is a part of PRC or not a part of PRC.

Taiwan is a part of China. This is a fact. This is recoganized by all of
countries in the world. This is well registered in the United Nations.

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ Special Report: IFCSS To Provide Long Distance Phone Service
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:09:31 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Originator: fortony@murphy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:46:23 GMT

ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang) writes:

>	By the same token, SCC is about China.  We care about China
>here.  You relax a little.

Yikes.  Yes, my mistake -- I forgot to check for cross-posting.
This will be my last to SCC, as the subject is indeed not relevant.

>	You think teasing foreigners' poor spelling is fun?  Most of
>the SCC netters do not possess superb English yet they try hard to
>communicate here.  Almost all people from China can easily use 
>Ping1 Ying1 to communicate but they stick to English for the reason
>of broader audience.  It is very low of you to make fun of it like this.

I'm certainly not teasing anyone, and I'm sorry you read it that way.
I was merely making a correction, as the poster indicated that he was
uncertain.

>	Now if you don't like foreigners' poor English or the lack of
>expression of a cute Chinese girl (Chinese don't like to show emotion
>explicitly), you can get off SCC.  BTW, bring your excellent English
>and your sick humor with you, they are not needed here.

okay.  Sorry to have bothered you.

>- woody

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Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu
From: dorham_r@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: SHORT SOCIAL COMM./?LIFE IN RURAL AREAS
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:56:19 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC




It seems so strange...this talk of Racisim.

Maybe it is the propoganda of my younger years that led me to believe
that war and oppression revealed those qualities that are common to
all mankind, I first started reading SOC. china because I had wanted
to try to get some information.  I guess I got a lot more than I 
had intended.

I will keep it brief because I have read so many opinions, I don't
even want to write mine.

Just try to keep in mind that there are good and bad everywhere.

And if I am ever fortunate enought to travel to Chinia I hope that I

will leave my all my dislikes and preconceived notions far behind me,

and focus on the that which is good and beautiful.


	Maybe someone could tell post or mail me information on what

to expect, as a foreigner in the more remote and rural parts of china.

					
		GOOD LUCK TO ALL WHO READ AND POST ON SOC.CHINA!!!
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:27:51 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

Since we are on this topic, does anyone have a good balanced reference
on what really happened in the Sino-Vietnam War of 1979?
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shut Down, That Red Lantern
Keywords: Red Lantern, Zhang Yimou
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:01:27 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

[ Little Hu's well written article deleted ]

After I saw the movie, I understood why it is banned in China. 
As in "Judo", the Master of "red lantern" is meant to be a image of
Deng Xiaoping. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Reply-To: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Organization: Unknown
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:10:10 GMT

In article <fortony.712377814@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>I think there might also be some reservation stemming from the association
>of the Chinese team with the Chinese government, which was of course 
>responsible for the Tianenmen Square massacre. 

Hah! No wonder why when American table tennis team came to China
in early 70's, they were perceived a group of imperialists, responsible
for all evils in every corner of the world.

NBC newscasters sounds to me some spoiled kids yet to grow up, and
so are most of American audience, since the attitude of the TV casters
reflects precisely the naivety/stupidity of a large part of their
audience.

People addicting to their nationalistic ego are pathetic, and are
doomed to pay a dear price for it later, as it has been proved by
the world history.

Let sports be just sports.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [Olympics] FU Mingxia Won Gold / Medals Standings & Details
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:28:04 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul27.160442.6635@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
|> 2) From: CND Source
|> Subject: Summer Olympics
|> 
|> Brief: Li Duihong won the forth silver medal in the women's sport pistol.  
|>        Meanwhile, Chinese man team was defeated by Puerto Rico by 68:100
|>        on Monday's basketball game.  More events to come.
|> 

Apparently mere tallness is not enough, I think men's team of China is lacking
of skills, why are the skills of the women's team better compare to others?

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.174822.16756@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <0095E008.424B9EA0@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
>>>
>>>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>>>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>>>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
>>
>>    I know Tsinghua has a indoor swiming pool even in 50's. Imagine how many
>>luxury hotels in China, most of them have indoor swimming pool. 
>
>
>	Seems that we are heading the right direction in this thread...  :-)  
>I received a msg. this morning from a netter who pointed out that the
>mistake may be that what TIME meant is China has only 60 Olympic standard
>sized swimming pools.  I don't know about the fact on this one, but seems
>reasonable to me...
>
>	I tend to believe TIME has missed a qualificaton word by a
>careless editor or writer.  :-(
 ***************
If You Read the article carefully and from the context and the altitude
of the author, You Know ITS NOT a missed qualification word.
>
>
>    Eddie


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