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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN HOCA ve EKONOMIK PROGRAMI (Islamcilardan secmeler)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:56:26 GMT

In article <29841@castle.ed.ac.uk> emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral) writes:
>In present banking system, a man who puts a certain amount to the bank
>receives the money+a FIXED amount at the end of a period.  The fixed
>amount is gained WITHOUT RISK since the bank is the guarantor.

No, there is a certain risk. The bank can go bankrupt. There is a certain 
degree of risk in every kind of debt. That's why the interest rate is 
based on: inflation+risk of investment+price of debt. Price of debt means
the part of the interest the bank has to pay for using the money.

>
>IS IT JUST FOR A MAN TO MAKE MONEY WITH HIS MONEY WITHOUT ANY RISK?
>

Yes, it is. But the present financial system allows for no investment 
without risk. 
It is just for a WOMAN, too.

>WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM?

From the interests the bank charges industrials. Firms need money to
make investments and to produce the goods and services that consumers
need and want. But usually firms do not have the exact amount of money
required to buy a CAD/CAM system, build a new plant, open a new branch, etc.
Therefore they have to borrow. And it is money that they borrow. Since 
everything in this world has a price, money has one, too. What most of
non-financial guys don't understand is that money is like any other
good and has a price. If you rent a car, you pay for it. Regardless of
whether you drove the car or not. If you rent money ( ie, borrow from a
bank, for instance ), you pay for it. Regardless of whether your 
investment paid off or not. That's why firms go into investments promising
a positive net present value, ie, investments that will yield more 
than the cost of money.
 

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Cyprus....who does it belong to???
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:59:31 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1993Jan11.164918.10088@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I really do not get it.....So who owns Cyprus?  ...the greeks
>or the turks?...

Does a distinct national group have to "own" it? A question to you: Who 
owns United States of America?!!
(a tough one!)

>Every time I talk to a greek person...all they want to do is kill
>or turks....while many turks really don't care about the island.

All I can tell you is that you were very unlucky to meet fanatic Turks and/or
Greeks.

>Why is it when people leave from Lebanon to Cyprus they
>go to Larnaka to catch an airplane to London and not 
>the Turkish side?  

Because the Republic in the North (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) is not
recognised, yet. When you get the TRNC stamp on your passport, some countries'
pride gets hurt and they give you trouble.

>It is only an island...why doesn't one party, either one..
>just leave.  Greeks and Turkey are two large countries..

For people who live there, it is more than an island. It is homeland. You could
only understand this if you lived there.


>
>Hey I have an idea....just give it to Lebanon...ahahhaha

jerk!!!!

>Thanks
>
>John


No sweat.
E.T.
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:50:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1993Jan05203731.AA54782@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|Emre Erkut:
|------------------
|*> In article <14003.9301051440@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk 
|*>                                        (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
|*> 
|*> >Kimsenin hediyeden veya ba$ka bir$eyden haberi yokken, hediyele$meyi
|*> >Rasulu araciligiyla sunnet kilan Allah'a sonsuz hamd-u senalar olsun.
|*> >Bazi yontulmami$lar istedigi kadar meseleyi oraya buraya cekmeye
|*> >cali$sin bu bir$eyi degi$tirmez.
|*> >Beytullah
|*> 
|*> Islamdan once hediye vermek nedir kimse bilmiyor muydu yani? Hediye 
|*> yalniz bir Islam gelenegi midir?

Siz meseleyi aynen Kaya mantigiyla carpitiyorsunuz. Benim burada
vurgulamak istedigim hediyel$menin bir sunnet olmasi yani dini bir
ibadet hukmunde te$vik edilmesidir.

|*>
|*> -- 
|*> Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
|*> Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: TURKOGLU DEGIL HINOGLU (from Haluk)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:50:41 GMT

In article <9301110522.AA13628@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> writes:
> TURKOGLU DEGIL HINOGLU
>
> Fakat  hayIr!  Simdi  yalnIz  illetli sosyete  degil,  sizler  de
> borclanmayI  goze alarak  masraflarI cektiniz,  hindiler yediniz,
> saraplar   ictiniz.   MuslumanlarIn  baslarInda   donen   felaket
> kavgalarInI fIcIlarda unuttunuz lakin  "felekten bir gun!" derken
> felege yem olmak vardIr.
>

Arap ulkeleri de nedense felaket kavgalarini petrol varillerinde
unutmusa benziyor.

> Turkoglu degil  de hinoglu olmak isteyenler;  evlatlarInIn yuzune
> nasIl bakacaklar...

Petrol karini Bosna'ya yardima yeg tutanlar nasil Islam ahlakindan
bahsedecekler?

> Ahmet KABAKLI
>
> TURKiYE, 4 Ocak 1993

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: TX.D85@isumvs.iastate.edu (selahattin dibooglu)
Subject: A Book Review
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:09:58 GMT

I read a similar book in the past, it was fascinating as well. The
book was written by Ilya Prigogine and Isabelle Stengers (sp?) and
titled "Order out of Chaos: Men's New Dialogue with Nature".

Selahattin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:27:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.091408.14878@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>> Besides, in the Western world, majority of the people do not see
>Christmas strictly 
>> religious.
>		Yoksa $$ larin oyunumu?

Evet, Amerika'da ozellikle hediyelik esya, oyuncak ve sinema sektorleri 
Christmas sezonunu iple ceker, satislarinin %20-80'i bu donemde olur
cunku.

>> So, majority of Turks chose the New Year's day for this purpose. 
>      ^^^^^^^^^
>	Majority? Saka yapiyorsunuz galiba? Bende Turkiye'de
>	dogdum/buyudum. Ben burada (Norvec'te) bir takim
>	"Ben Turkiye'ye yakismiyorum" diyen TC vatandaslarindan
>	duydum yilbasinda hediye alip vermeyi.
>
>	Benim merak ettigim sey jesus'n dogumumu kutlaniyor yoksa
>	yoksa yeni yila 'umitle bakmak' mi? 	

Benim merak ettigim sey, sizin itiraziniz yilbasinin kutlanmasina mi? Yoksa
hediye verilmesine mi? Yalnizca hediyeyeyse, kutlanmaya deger bir gunde 
neden hediye verilmesin? 

Bizde yilbasi kendimi bildim bileli kutlanir, ama ne Isa'nin adi gecmistir,
ne de Hiristiyanlik'in. Amac gercekten de yeni yila umitle bakmak. Siz 
ister inanin ister inanmayin. Ayrica benim aile cevrem "sosyetik" de
degildir. Yalnizca Istanbullu'dur. "Sosyetik" olsaydi, TEV'den burs
alamazdim zaten.

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mustafa O. Tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:00:49 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


In article <93Jan0922395437367@beach.csulb.edu>, basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete) writes:
>In article <102939.10421.10418@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki`
>>> In article <102938.19964.2914@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hak
>>> >> In article <102936.49853.17425@kcbbs.gen.nz>    
>>> >> Hakki_Kocakelle@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocakelle writes);    
>>> >>     
>>> >> > Huu-Bey'den huuular DINle....butun bu kuruntularin gecer :-)      
>>> >>     
>>> >>      
>>> >> Iyi dinle, Kocakelle. Soyleyecek baska seyin kalmamissa, agzini    
>>> >> kapali tut (parmaklarin hangi tuslara bastigini bilsin).    
>>> >    
>>> >O tusa basma!, bu tusa basma!    
>>> >Ananin a mi basicaz lan !    
>>> >    
>>Ete, Mete  
>>..........  
>>Gonderdim melmekete...  
>>> 
>>Hakki_Kocabas
>
>
>Kocabas, girsin BAs!
>Lan Kocabas,sende ensest misin,sende Beytullah gibi cocuklarinla
>Kizilbascilik oynuyor musun bakiym?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kizilbascilik oynamak nasil oluyor aciklarsan sevinirim. Bir Kizilbas
olarak merak ettim dogrusu...

>Bak vallhi anani genelevde gordugumu herkese soylerim,bilmis ol!
>
>MUB

M. Okan Tanrikulu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:40:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <25772.9301042105@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
|
|Peygamberimizin (SAV) tavsiyesi olan hediye verme guzel bir sunnettir.
|Ve dini bayramlarda verilir diye bir kaide yoktur. Ben $ahsen onlarin
|ozellikle kutsal diye kabul ettikleri, Allah a (CC) $irk ko$tuklari bu
|gunlerde herhangi bir kimseye hediye vermekten (onlara benzememek icin)
|bir musluman olarak haya ederim. Tabi buna kar$i cikan olabilir. Herkes
|dilediginde serbesttir.
|
|Beytullah
|

Yukarida yanli$ anlamaya meydan vermemek icin bir duzeltme yapmak
istiyorum. Dini bayramlarda verilir diye bir kaide yoktur derken,
hristiyanlarin yaptigi $ekilde verilmesi diye bir olay yoktur yani onlar
hediyeyi verirken hediye bilindigi gibi father christmas dedikleri ki$i
tarafindan verildigini belirterek kucuk ya$tan dinlerine ve papaza kar$i
saygiyi a$ilama gibi bir yola gidiyorlar demek istiyordum. Yoksa dini
bayramlarimizda bilindigi gibi coluk, cocuk ba$ta olmak uzere, diger akraba
ve hatta akraba olmayan insanlarin sevindirilmesi icin hediye ve sadaka
gibi her yola ba$vurulur. Hatta bu mesela ramazan bayrami gibi dini
bayramlardan once verilmesi dini zorunluluktur. Fitr sadakasi denilen
sadaka bayramdan once fakire ula$tirilmi$ olmalidir. Dinimizde hepimizin
bildigi gibi, hristiyanlarin papaz sevdirmeye cali$tiklari gibi
hediyele$me sirasinda birisini sevdirme gibi olay yoktur. Birisini
sevindirirken ancak Allah rizasi gozetilir ve ki$i ecrini Allah tan
umar. Umarim soylemek istedigim anla$ilmi$tir.

Kimsenin hediyeden veya ba$ka bir$eyden haberi yokken, hediyele$meyi
Rasulu araciligiyla sunnet kilan Allah'a sonsuz hamd-u senalar olsun.
Bazi yontulmami$lar istedigi kadar meseleyi oraya buraya cekmeye
cali$sin bu bir$eyi degi$tirmez.

Saygilarimla
Beytullah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:32:26 GMT

From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri

*> Peygamberimizin (SAV) tavsiyesi olan hediye verme guzel bir sunnettir.
*> Ve dini bayramlarda verilir diye bir kaide yoktur. Ben $ahsen onlarin
*> ozellikle kutsal diye kabul ettikleri, Allah a (CC) $irk ko$tuklari bu
*> gunlerde herhangi bir kimseye hediye vermekten (onlara benzememek icin)
*> bir musluman olarak haya ederim. Tabi buna kar$i cikan olabilir. Herkes
*> dilediginde serbesttir.
*>
*> Beytullah

Beytullah bey kardesimiz, sevgili peygamberimiz Hz. Muhammed'in
bir tavsiyesini bize sundu. Ilginctir, o devirde Muhammed hediye
veren degil, hediye alan tarafmis. Bu hediyelere de sadaka adi 
verilirmis. Ne dersin Beytullah? Tavsiyeyi yapan o olduguna
gore, Muhammed de hediye alanlardanmis. 

kaya
From: KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Cumhuriyet Gazetesi ve 'Deliler Kimden Korkar?'
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:50:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:

>Sola egilimli gazeteler: Cumhuriyet, Milliyet

Oerkut. Your ignorance simply cramps my conversation.

  Prof. Stanford Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish
  Rebublic' (1991).

  page 254:

  <<During the 1930s, in reaction to Nazi propaganda, as had been the
    case in the Ottoman Empire during the nineteenth and early twentieth
    centuries, it was not so much Turkish Muslims but, rather, Christians,
    who persisted in their anti-Semitic attitudes and activities. In 1938,
    when it appeared increasingly that the 'New Order' might dominate
    Europe, the Nazi flag was openly flown from the famous Armenian-owned
    Tokatliyan Hotel. The resulting Jewish-organized boycott of the hotel
    was supported by most Turks and condoned by the government, though
    opposed by Nazi sympathizer Yunus Nadi in his newspaper CUMHURIYET,...>>

No wait, there is more.

   15 Haziran 1974 tarihli Cumhuriyet Gazetesi :

   <<Seminerin onceki gunu oturumundan soz alan Hacettepe Universitesi
Tarih Profesoru Ercument Kuran, aile planlamasinin gereksizligini
savunmus, Ataturk ve Mussolini ile ilgili kiyaslama yaparken, 1935
yillarinda Mussolini'nin genisleme politikasi guttugunu, Turkiye'nin
topraklarina goz diktigini duyan Ataturk'un

  (MUSSOLINI DELI, AMA BEN SARHOSUM. DELILER SARHOSLARDAN KORKARLAR)

dedigini iddia etmistir. Ancak, sozleri seminere katilan yabancilara
cevirmeyen cevirmen, (Ataturk ve Mussolini arasinda bir benzetme ve
espri yapildi. Cevirmeyi gereksiz buluyorum.) diyerek konuyu kapatmistir.>>

Nejat B-) Neseli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Reality check: 110 years of Greek democracy and counting
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


In article <9301062027@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>Nobody is going to give you that. You might give at least the
>memory of it to yourself if you try. I know it doesn't make sense,
>but since when is "tamtam" about sense, anyway. Besides, in its
>entire history Greece has never been a democracy - except for the
>last 18 years. The Turkish rule in Greece ended in 1821 and since
>

At least he incremented his counter by .5!

Now for a reality check:

This is the breakdown of modern Greek history.

 1821 - 1828    Revolution
 1828 - 1831 *  REPUBLIC
 1831 - 1843    Foreign-imposed Absolute Monarchy
 1843 - 1863    Constitutional Monarchy (Strong King)
 1863 - 1924 *  Constitutional Monarchy (weak King - strong parliament)
 1924 - 1935 *  REPUBLIC
 1935 - 1936 *  Constitutional Monarchy (weak King - strong parl.)
 1936 - 1941    Dictatorship
 1941 - 1944    German Occupation
 1944 - 1950    Post-WWII Chaos
 1950 - 1967 *  Constitutional Monarcy, Very weak king, strong parl.
 1967 - 1974    Dictatorship
 1974 - now  *  REPUBLIC

 They years marked (*) were periods of democratic rule; constitutional
monarchy with a weak king is the same type of rule as what
Great Britain or Belgium have. The Greeks gained this constitution
over the objections of the Great Powers in 1863, after ousting King
Otto. This made Greece one of the few European countries to be run by a
democratically elected parliament back in the the 1860s.

Count them for yourself
                                                                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: Re: An article on Bosnia from the Chicago Tribune (from Haluk)
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:30:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.230441.28434@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy) writes:
 
|> 	Bush the other day said "Leadership cannot be asserted or 
|> 	demanded; it simply is demonstrated". Yet when it comes to 
|> 	save Turks/Moslem from massacre, rape and murder in most 
|> 	horrible ways, he miserably fails to "demostrate" the same 
|> 	leadership he is preaching about.
|> 
|> 	By the time they make up their minds, there won't be any 
|> 	Turk/Moslem left to be saved. I wonder if that is what
|> 	their purpose is.

That is exactly what the Western Europeans want. They don't want a moslem
state in the middle of the world.  Even though the Bosnians are very
moderate and secular moslems, they can't stand the idea of a Moslem
state in Europe.  Therefore, they let the Serbians do the dirty job, ethnic
cleansing, for them while they condemn Serbians in public. This is very
discracing.


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 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: CYPRUS will not be another BOSNIA HERCEGOVINA
Summary: Not a chance for PALIKARIA again...
Keywords: ..and this is why: "ENOSIS, EOKA, PALIKARIA, ATHENS, JUNTA"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:38:18 GMT
Expires: January 1995

In article <1993Jan8.020825.15591@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:

>Okan...this is 1993.  But then again you have the same leader (king!) so
>I guess he lives in the past himself. Thirty-five (35) years in charge,
>wow! Ceasar himself didn't make it that long. Check this out Okan:

I guess that shows you the point I am trying to make. He is a highly 
respected and honored leader Theodore, and you are just too blind to see
that. Maybe you are ignoring it for some reason. President Denktash spent
all his life for the freedom andn independence of Turkish Cypriots.
And you are shamelessly showing me Grivas, Sampson, Makarios and other
Enosis palikaria as a challenge to President Denktash? We will not get
anywhere with your Athens controlled leaders Theodore, and they have 
absolutely no right to talk on behalf of the Turkish Cypriot people.
Hence, they cannot be the president of whole Cyprus and even if they are
illegally recognized to be so, the Turkish Cypriot people do not give
a damn to that. Period!


Cheers,
Okan Baysan
-- 
  "Unless this small Turkish Community -forming a part of the Turkish race
   which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism- is expelled from Cyprus,
   the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Emre'ye)
Keywords: none
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:32:05 GMT

In article <C0M7Jr.LB8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ehsan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ehsanullah Ateeqi) writes:
>> duyacaksiniz. Sizin en cok deger verdiginiz seyleri adam curutmeye
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> calisiyor. 
>
>  Emre Bey, "Siz" ile kastettiginiz kimlerdir? Siz kendiniz, Hz. Muhammed'in
>  manevi sahsiyetine "en cok deger vermiyor musunuz?" Eger bir muslu-
>  man iseniz (ki insaallah oyledir) basta "Islam'in bir din olduguna"
>  inanmaniz ve Hz. Muhammed'e (SAV) yoneltilen iftiralara en azindan
>  muteessir olmaniz gerekmez mi? Bunu sormamin sebebi kimseyi rencide 
>  etmek veya zor durumda birakmak degil, eger ortada bir yanlis anlama 
>  varsa duzeltilmesidir.

1. Musluman olabilirim de olmayabilirim de. Turk demek Musluman demek
   degildir diye bastan beri soyluyoruz, anlatamadik.

2. Muslumansam da bu benim dinim. Benim inancim iki kisi elestirdi
   diye zayiflayacaksa hic inanmayayim daha iyi. Allah Allah'sa eger
   benim savunmama ihtiyaci yoktur.

3. Neden insaallah oyledir?

>  Ben de bunu tekrar sormaktan rahatsiz oluyorum, ama "sizin cevreniz"
>  ile ne kastediyorsunuz? Bana ortada kesinlikle bir karisiklik varmis 
>  gibi geliyor. Duzeltilirse sevinirim.

4. Sizin cevreniz ile dini herseyin ustunde tutanlari kastediyorum.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Deniz Ertas)
Subject: Re: Turkish as a second language
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:21:23 GMT

In article <dfields.726444648@beagle>, dfields@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dana S. Fields) writes:

|> An excellent text for learning Turkish(for English speakers) is:
|> 
|>    "Elementary Turkish", by Lewis V. Thomas, revised and edited by Norman Itzkowitz
|> 
|> Dover books has published(1986) an unabridged and slightly revised version of the
|> original(1967); although the Dover book still has a few typos!
|> 
|> I'm sure you can order this from any book store, but anyway:
|> 
|>     Dover Publications, Inc.
|>     31 East 2nd Street
|>     Mineola, NY 11501
|> 
|> And the best part, it only costs about $6.00(at least when I bought it last year)
|> 
|> But you will certainly need to consult a native speaker early on in your learning,
|> and throughout your learning, to get the correct pronunciation.
|> 

    The book you mention is definitely a very good buy for its price and and
excellent one to have as a grammar reference. However, I think it's too
compact for a beginner to try to learn from. There aren't enough exercises
and the few examples have little to do with practical daily needs. I think it's
primarily intended as an academic type of textbook - for people who need to
know the structure of the language rather that the language itself. I strongly
recommend it as a supplement to the nice series "Guzel Turkceyi Ogreniyorum",
though, since grammar is a very weak point in that book (The entire book is in
Turkish, so you only learn by example and it's sometimes impossible to 
figure out what it possibly means. Hence the need for a native speaker to
help you out.)

Deniz Ertas


|> Good luck,
|> 
|> D.S. Fields
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject:  Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:10:28 GMT

In article <102938.19964.2914@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki `
>> In article <102936.49853.17425@kcbbs.gen.nz>  
>> Hakki_Kocakelle@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocakelle writes);  
>>   
>> > Huu-Bey'den huuular DINle....butun bu kuruntularin gecer :-)    
>>   
>>    
>> Iyi dinle, Kocakelle. Soyleyecek baska seyin kalmamissa, agzini  
>> kapali tut (parmaklarin hangi tuslara bastigini bilsin).  
>  
>O tusa basma!, bu tusa basma!  
>Ananin a mi basicaz lan !  
>  
>>    hubey  


Hakki Kocabas ayisi!
Sen'de parrlak Beytullah gibi ensest'misin lan?
Sizin ananizla olan sorununuz ne?Milletin  anasina kufrediyorsunuz?
Biz sizin ananizi genelevde gordugumuzu etrafa soyluyor muyuz hic??
Muslumanlar hahahahaha,sizi gramafon igneleri sizi
Mete Ulas