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From: y8321@milton.u.washington.edu (Yih-Jin Young)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:01:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.135529.1@cua.edu> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
>
>I like to ask a question to those who watched the speeches in the convention.
>What are the issues caught your attention the most?  Media and Americans
>are talking about
>
>       Tax, Foreign policy, Family values, homosexuality,
>       Social welfare, etc. etc.
>
I am most interested in how the American society has changed since the time
George Washington, the founder of this nation, led the war against the British
for independence.  After serving two terms in Presidency, he insisted to
leave the office.  Remember, people wanted him to be the President for the
third term badly.  He rejected.  Mr. Bush, on the other hand, insists to be
reelected despite of the fact that people are not so fond of him.  Mr. Perot
was once on the presidential campaign.  He claimed that if he were to be
elected, he would not seek for a second term.  Three or four thousands years
ago, Chinese Emperior Yau and Sun transferred their power to the capables, not
their sons.  These gentleman attitudes seem to be fading away.

Power could erode one's mind for some people.

>As a Chinese educated in the "Communist" China, we have heard a
>lot of arguments similar to the Democrats (although not the same),
>when we hear the Republicans the first time, we may just feel
>they are too much representing the "capitalists".  But when I
>give a second thought, I find it is not so easy to choose among
>the two sets of arguments.  What is your opinion?

Since the American society is so diverse, economically, religiously, ethnically,
and politically,  therefore it is not easy to propose a platform that would
meet everyone's need.  The stratedies that the two parties use are based
partly on their political traditions and partly on their targeted votes.
If one were to choose one from the two, it would not be easy because neither
of them meet individual's complicated need.  In my opinion, the best way out
is to have a third party which would balance the two parties' platform in
a reasonable way.  Specifically, to promote development of the nation
(economy,  education, health, etc) on the one hand and to maintain social
equality on the other hand ( welfare systems, etc).  The new party's position
will be in the middle, not too liberal and not too conservative.  It could
gain the support from the voters and possibly do a nicer job than either
party.

As a matter of fact, ancient Chinese philosophers have proposed the law of
middleness (Chung Yong) as the guidance of life.

What do you think?

Yih-Jin Young
y8321@u.washington.edu
From: alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Australia Satellite Successfully Launched
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:11:50 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


Congratulations in deed!

May many more successful satelite launches by China come!

I'd like to hear "how China comes from nowhere to launch satelites" theory.
Those Chinese scientists must take some kind of steroids to do this :-)

May I be offered some, please!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:59:06 GMT

In article <92Aug20.102845edt.160@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>...  I didn't hear any 
>Japanese apologies to North & south Korea, Chinese government in Taiwan, 
>the Philippines, Malaysia, Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia, Camboalia[sp?],
>Singapore, Hong Kong, Indonesia, the hundreds of thoudsands of kidnapped
>military prostitutes from all over East & South East Asia, and from
>Japan herself.  the hundreds of thoudsands POWs in death camps from US, Canada,
>Britian, the non-white POWs it masscared(you guys really got off easy,
>don't you know that?)  the millions forced laborers from all over 
>East & South East Asia, the people they used for live germ-warfare experiements,
>the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.  
>
>Let's face it, they just won't apologize to ANYBODY.  Who's
>being hypocritical?   
>

  Since I was born way after WWII, I will be hypocritical if I
apologize for the things you mentioned above. I am, however, responsible
for what the Japanese government is doing since I had voted several
times for six years before I came to the US. I feel guilty everytime I
see flaming posting on Japan's responsiblility for WWII since apparently
it is caused partially by the anger and the frustration toward the
government.
  I appologize for that I mentioned above.
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 16 Aug 1992 12:44:35 GMT

I don't think just saying sorry is enough.

Chou1
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Are Chinese women more attractive than the
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:48:21 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

memco@cns.nyu.edu  writes: 
>>
>> What do you folks think? Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40  
>> years ago? 
> 
> Yes. Why, don't you?

The Chinese women are more attractive than they were 40 years ago ONLY in the
eyes of those who live 40 year later (now).  They may not be more attractive
to the men live 40 years ago, whom may think women live in their times are
more attractive.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hmj@cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Hannu-Matti)
Subject: Relatives of the Finnish language (was Re: THOUGHTS ON ORIENTAL MORAL)
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:06:49 GMT

In article <77521@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>What's more, Finnish doesn't seem to have a connection with any
>European language at all.  Almost all the languages in Europe belong
>to the Indo-European language family.  The exceptions are Basque,
>Hungarian, and Finnish.

Finnish do have a connection with several European (and Asian) languages,
but the number speakers of these languages is quite small, some of them
are going to die in the near future. Most of the speakers live in Russia.

Near or quite near relatives to Finnish are (I use Finnish names)
Karjala(-Aunus), Viro (Estonian), Veps{, Vatja, Liivi. Also Lyydi and
Inkeroinen are sometimes classified as separate languages.

More distinct relatives are Saame (Sami), Mordva, Tseremissi (Mari),
Syrj{{ni (Komi), Votjakki (Udmurti), Ostjakki (Hanti), Voguli (Mansi),
Unkari (Hungarian).

The languages above are so called Fenno-Ugric group.

Together with Fenno-Ugric languages, Samojed languages form
Uralic group. Samojed langauges are:
Jurakki (Nenets), Taugi (Nganasan), Jeniseinsamojedi (Enets),
Ostjakkisamojedi (Selkup).

-- 
-----
Hannu-Matti Jarvinen, hmj@cs.tut.fi
Opinions of tut != opinions of mine, and vice versa.
TTKK on samaa mielt{ kanssani siit{, ett{ en edusta sen mielipidett{.
--
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:58:57 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>people. The apology seems meaningless if the Japanese don't want to apologize.  
>You simply can't force them. I found we Chinese always want to save our faces.  
You are wrong! Japan has apologized to Korean for "comfort women" issue.
It should also apologize to Chinese!

>In fact, the best way to save our faces is to build a stronger China.

>Without a strong China, no matter how loud you cry for respect from other  
>peoples, you simply won't get it.

Don't you think China IS strong enough to get a apology from Japanese Emperor 
or Japanese government? 

It's not just a matter of face. The pain of millions of war victims needs a 
condonation. Think about this: if your father was murdered, will you let the 
murderer go just because he is stronger(or richer) than you? Or put him
in jail is just saving your face? Your logic is very irrational.

BTW, I agree with the last statement in your posting.

DDL


>Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fyang@desmond.fishkill.ibm.com (Fred L. Yang)
Subject: test, please ignore.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:24:49 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

test only,
please ignore.
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Good Faith Clause (Was Re: Protection Bill)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:53:26 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

>	This lie-turned-truth is not a trivial matter.  Behind this 
>"protection" bill, there is a strong anti-China sentiment, an attempt to
>make China the new "evil empire".  Progress (toward Capitalism, btw) in
>today's China is being ignored and political fantastics only care to make
>China their new enemy.


You think the people who want to be refuggee care whether China would be the
evil empire?  They are going to be American citizens since CHina is evil.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:56:47 GMT

In article <2346@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>
>I think the real problem might be that people don't want to accept that
>the Japanese goverment has a long history of only giving in to "foreign
>pressure". Perhaps things will be different this time, but I myself
>wouldn't count on it. 
>
>That is, the problem isn't with the Japanese goverment, it lies
>elsewhere: What do you do when somebody doesn't do what you you
>think they should after you have complained about it for 50 years? 
>Continue to complain for another 50 years? 
>
>IMHO, life is too short. But if somebody really wants to complain to
>the Japanese government, why not do so instead of complaining here.
>Or is somebody from the Japanese goverment monitoring s.c.j.? 
>
We are talking about the Emperor's apology, but the delima is we want
money too. Why don't we ask the Japanese to pay us to postpone the
apology. In this way, we still have the right to get their apology while
we can use it for money until one day we think the apologize is much
more important than money.            
 
>Dave
>
Tingli Pan
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:09:47 EDT
From: <IO01282@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Information needed for health insurance

Dear Chinese:
Does anyone know how to buy good (at least cheap) health insurance? I hope I
can get some information from you.  Please send the suggestion to my e-mail.
Thank you very much.

e-mail: io01282@maine.maine.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Random thought about Bush's talk
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:10:05 GMT

Last night, I did not miss a single world from the talk given by the 
president G. Bush. On thing that striks me the most is the question of 
**TAX**. 

As well known, in China, state own companies and industies are not in 
good condition, and only 1/3 making profit, what are the reasons?
Low productivities? Low efficiency? But if you compare private vs. 
state_own companyies in China , they are on the same level. But there
are some significant differences: Tax, and too_many_personnels in 
government. 

And Gorge Bush, the USA president has talked about them!!!!!!!!!!
He talked about reduce taxes, and he talked about reduce the size of
government too!!! And those are on the reform platform in *socialist* 
China, and are those coincident??

Maybe, USA and China have some similarities in the government, and 
politics no matter of what society system label they put on their face.

And now comes the question, for a size like USA/China, what is the role
of central goverment? It should be small in size, and efficient in 
governing, and major on international issues like G. Bush. On demostic
issues, who knows which is better, the socialist or the capitalist?
--Zhigang
From: lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:14:16 GMT


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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China (Part 1)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:20:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 1)

Between 7000 BC and 6001 BC, the pig and water buffalo are domesticated 
in China.

Between 6000 BC and 5001 BC, foxtail millet and peaches are grown in
central China.

Between 4000 BC and 3501 BC, the ard, a primitive form of plow, is in
use in China.

Between 2700 BC and 2601 BC, culture of silkworms is started in China.

Between 2600 BC and 2501 BC, the Chinese use a vertical pole to project
the shadow of the sun for estimating time.

Between 2400 BC and 2301 BC, the Chinese introduce a method of taking
observations of the sky based on the equator of Earth and the poles.
This method is not adopted in the West until Tycho Brahe in 16th century
AD, although it is now the standard way to record astronomical
observations all over the world.

Chinese observers record a comet in 2296 BC, the earliest known record
of a comet sighting.

Between 2000 BC and 1951 BC, the first zoo in China, the Park of
Intelligence, is founded.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: [News] Wang Labs Files for Bankruptcy, Will Eliminate 5,000 Jobs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:12:28 GMT

--------------------------- Forwarding -----------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:01:03 EST
From: XXXXXXXXXXX

Wang Labs Files Chapter 11, Will Eliminate 5,000 Jobs         

    Wang Labs Tuesday filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

    The once high-flying technology company also said it plans to cut 38%
of its work force, eliminating 5,000 jobs from its 13,000 employee force.

    Wang also reported its loss for its fiscal fourth quarter narrowed to
$116.3 million, or 68 cents a share.

    The loss followed preliminary restructuring charges of $81.3 million.

    That amount could change pending the outcome of the Chapter 11 filing.

    A year ago, Wang had a loss of $314.5 million, or $1.88 a share,
after charges.

    Revenue fell to $473.6 million from $491.9 million.

    Wang Chairman Richard Miller said he had tried to sell the company in an
effort to avoid bankruptcy, but that the company's balance sheet ''had way
too much debt.''

    Wang also said it had considered liquidating the company.

    Wang said it expects to emerge from Chapter 11 as a ''smaller, more
focused, and more competitive company.'' It also expects its alliance
with IBM to continue.

    Miller said the surviving company will have annual revenue of about
$1.4 billion, compared with the current $1.9 billion a year.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Darkest age of China (Re: Golden age of China?)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:56:37 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
>the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
>for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
>dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
>mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
>a reason.  
>
>Y. Liu 
>
>

I agree. When Yuan dynasty defeated Song dynasty and occupied Lin An,
(Hang Zhou now), the captical of Song, all women, including empresses,
are raped in the streets by Mongolian soldiers. It was much worse than
The Rape of Nanjing which are done by Japanese.

In many cities which fights with Mongolian, all of men are killed and 
women are raped and taken as slave. This is the infamous Tu Cheng policy
(Kill all men in a city) of Mongolia Empire.

After Mongolian occupied China, it classified people in four classes,
Mongolian is the top class, and Nan Ren(Southerner, i.e., Chinese),
is the bottom class. None of Chinese was allowed to take any position
in government.

In China, there are very few books talk about the sad part of Chinese
history. When I read this part of Chinese history in the Oriental Library
of Oxford University, I could not control my tear.

Today, there are some netters attacks the nationism. But after you learn
the sad stories of our country, after you learn your brothers are killed 
by foreign invaders, after you learn your sisters are raped foreign invaders, 
will you still attack the nationism?


J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: About pigs
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:09:00 GMT


          We look at pigs and find they have a lot of good points:

          1.  A pig likes to play with mud -- for a purpose.  He
              doesn't allow insects to bite him.  Yes he does not
              win a beauty contest, but a beauty cannot live in
              a Juan4 like he does, either, talking about comparing
              cultures.

          2.  The pigs are most hard-working creatures we ever know.
              A pig constantly seeks food -- using a primative
              technique called "gong3."  Rarely have we seen a person
              work with the same kind of endurance.

          3.  Based on a new report, a pig's brain is superior
              ( or equiverlant ) to a monky's;  We often hear a pig
              make painful noises, but don't take it wrong -- it just
              means the pig is pretending.  In fact that noise is an
              indicator of hapiness ;

          4.  In wilderness, a pig is the most vicious beast.  We have
              a saying in my hometown:

               1 zhu1, 2 xiong2, 3 lao3 hu3.

              Given this ranking, a pig can be a meat eater and
              dominant the jungle, but he does not.  He pretty much
              consumes grass, just like niu2.  In fact pigs are very
              friendly to people.    

          5.  He has a better chance
              surviving than any other animal, including mice.  That
              is why you come to the U.S., and get rid of a lot things
              or people, but not pig.  You use pigs everyday, see
              them everywhere, they are simply a constant existance
              in our lives.

          6.  Historically pigs have been treated unfairly in nearly
              all cultures.  But I have seen pigs jumping about 1.5
              meters over a fence, and they run reasonably fast.  We 
              examine the motivation behind human hatred toward pigs, 
              we believe that is mostly out of envy.
From: lpzhou@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Chen Li-Xia
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:35:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Hi, Dear Netter.

Looking for Chen Li-Xia. 

She is initially from Shanghai and moved to HK some year ago. Later she studied
in US for a MBA degree. If any one know such a person, please give me a
massage.
Thank you in advance.

Tam Mei-king
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23222 soc.culture.taiwan:12026 soc.culture.hongkong:9884
From: cmlee@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Chen-Ming Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: [News] Wang Labs Files for Bankruptcy, Will Eliminate 5,000 Jobs
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:51:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


This is a sad story indeed.  I remember only a few years ago Wang was
a prospering company and then...

In article <Bt6yL8.M7q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>--------------------------- Forwarding -----------------------------------
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:01:03 EST
>From: XXXXXXXXXXX
>
>Wang Labs Files Chapter 11, Will Eliminate 5,000 Jobs         
>
> [details omitted]

What had gone wrong?  Could someone briefly explain the down-fall of
Wang?

>Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago

Thanks for the news.  Only this morning I was reading the newspaper
that had this news mentioned as a "rumor".


- Tom
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:17:56 GMT

Lin Can wrote:
>(deleted) You see, psychology of fear and terror does not
<work the same way as you think. By the way, who is going to be the first to
<do it, everyone is waiting for others to act and that was how they control
<them. This is precisely the way how CCP can control so many Chinese.

That is partially right. Besides iron-wrist control, CCP also had another
hand -- propoganda. After the famine began, CCP also punished some notorious
local officials such as Zeng XiSheng in Anhui, and rehabilitated some good
officials who were against BLF, such as Zhang KaiFan also in Anhui. At the
same time, some Red-head documents told people to sleep more, if they could
not have enough to eat. Some things like that. With these effective two-hands,
the morale of people, especially in intellectuals, was not low.

>NO, people here (so far from what I read) do not condone cannabalism, but
<there are well-documented cases about cannabalism in cases of disaster,
<air crash, ship wreck etc. It is a fact that human being can do such thing
<in case of hunger, I am not saying that it is right, but who knows what
<human would act under extreme circumstances.

That is the key whether people, or a culture, condone cannibalism, not whether
isolated case happened. The original article said cannibalism was performed
at large scale by people, and was encouraged by the CCP. I am sure he is
lying.

We want to find out what is wrong in China and in Chinese culture. But some
people else may like to bash Chinese for fun. There is some difference between
these two, I think.
From: ma@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:20:12 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug19.145041.29888@bnr.ca>, xyang@bcars279.UUCP  writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
> |> 
> |>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
> |> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
> |> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
> |> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
> 
> I'm just wondering if you can FREELY go back, stay for more than 90
> days, and return without any problem, why do you need PROTECTION then?
> Protect you from what? prosecution from the communist? not likely they
> will prosecute you anyways. Why bother, then?

I think the original question is An eligible question although I have no idea
how to answer. It doesn't  matter from what he needs the protection. There is
not much difference between staying in China longer and shorter than 90 days.
(BTW, I just came back from China, and stayed about 40 days, well within the
90 day limit). But there is a big difference between being and not being 
covered by the bill. Nobody wants to be treated differently (maybe unfairly).
I have this (maybe stupid) question. Is it possible now to ask the Congress
to remove the number "90" ?
T.Ma