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From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:58:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com

I have already said my 2 cents but could not refrain from thrashing /flaming the boneheads
who want to police every aspect of skiing.  For the person who started this by freaking out
over an accident.  Were you stopped on the side of the run or were you in the middle.
Do you look up the slope before crossing, you know it is the persons responsibility who
is crossing to look.  When you are driving do you stop in the middle of the road or do
you pull off on the shoulder.  When you come up to an intersection do you look both
ways before pulling out.  When you change lanes do you look before merging over.

Same principle when skiing.  I believe that if one follows some common sense rules, God
I hate that word "rules", skiing will be safe.  It's those idiots that just pull up and stop
anywhere, or traverse without looking to see who is coming.  Hell, if you look at least
you can see the person about to hit you and can ah.... aim your poles correctly.

mg

skiing: for the fearless not the brainless
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From: stanford@aster (Adam Stanford)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:41:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: aster.berkeley.edu

We were at Alpine Meadows on Saturday(the 23rd) and
that was pretty full - lift lines often 10 minutes -
and not good conditions either.  Northstar on Sunday
(the 24th) had much better conditions (though nowhere
near as good as the previous weekend) and similar lift lines.
This past weekend was basically the first since all the
snows which has had clear skies so the Tahoe area was
jammed.  It was bumper-bumper on I-80 westbound late
yesterday afternoon from Truckee for many miles.
If the jet stream stays north and the high pressure
continues the Tahoe area will likely get jammed every
weekend.  I heard Incline had relatively good snow -
can anybody confirm?
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:51:43 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <LAUNCE.93Jan26162953@medusa.med.utah.edu> launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
[various stuff about skiing/homebrews deleted]

I just saw an ad on TV for one of the Utah resorts. One shot was of a couple
in a hotel room holding up, was it? could it be? Yes, brand snifters with
brandy in them.

They're not as straight-up in Utah as might be expected. 

Of course the ad wasn't enough to tempt me to drive right past Tahoe ...

Dan

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:51:01 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: JACKSON HOLE INFO WANTED


There is FREE shuttle service to the Racquet Club Grocery and Liquor stores
I'll mail you a schedule. If you plan to take the START bus have lots of
singles 'cause they will NOT make change and the bus is $2 each trip.

Also, about Targhee...ask some of the Jackson Hole skiers on the tram or
at the Caspar Bowl restaurant during lunch...conditions vary and while I
was there 10 days ago, I was warned not to go...I didn't...Meanwhile two
other guys in my condo went and said it really sucked sucked SUCKED!

People were demanding a refund on the cat outings even though they were
only charging half-price AND...my friends who are pretty much hard to
convince that those huge broken crust slabs and boot sized death cookies
aren't just heaven to ski...even they gave up at lunch and just went and
hit the bar!!

so,...just ask around...if there is good skiing then there will be skiers
at the Village who will know and divulge...and I understand that it is
often just great at Targhee...

Oh, and if the Village reports 2" or more of snow in the morning, catch the
first tram up for fresh tracks in what could easily be 6-8" in the Rendezvous
Bowl - and just be lovin' it! 

8^)

Harold
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: oliker@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Leonid Oliker)
Subject: Summit County Ski Pass
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:29:22 GMT

Hi,

Does anyone out there know of any summit county ski passes for sale? They're
sold out, so if anyone knows anyone trying to get rid of one, could you 
let me know ASAP.

Thanks, Leo

oliker@moet.colorado.edu

I've been drinking cleaning fluids all night
I'm open for suggestions   - T.W.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com ()
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:09:58 GMT

In article <1k1b3oINN2gn@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.) writes:
|> Just got back from 2 1/2 weeks at Squaw and Alpine Meadows and very few people for
|> the great conditions.  2 weeks ago there was between 14-20" of new snow and the longest
|> time I waited was 4 chairs.  This was also on a weekend.  Guess most people were scared
|> of the road conditions.  I love it when that happens.
|> ---

What's a Californian's favorite wine?

"There's too much powder"

jim t
From: ajdh@bnr.co.uk (Andrew J D Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:26:48 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.164.64.53

In article <1993Jan26.172909.20402@irfu.se> mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik) writes:
>	There certainly isn't alot of european traffic in this newsgroup.
>	In fact most postings about Europe are one of them Merikans :-)
>	asking about were to ski etc. I'd like to see some more europeans
>	here before I take this suggestion seriously.

I have considered this and concluded that there must be many european
skiers with net access. Perhaps they are put off posting by the
overwhelming saturation by US traffic. A brief look at this newsgroup
would tend to give the impression that is is for American skiers only.



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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:46:47 GMT

In article <93025.174139KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> Karl Keyte <KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 17:41:39 CET
>From: Karl Keyte <KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET>
>Subject: Newsgroup for European skiing...
>Is anyone out there in a position to do something about getting a
>'rec.skiing.europe' newsgroup set-up?  How could I request this?
>Would any of you be interested?
>
>Karl

Of course it is many of us that is interested in a European skiing group. I 
mean, I really don't care about the conditions in Utah or New Mexico or 
what so ever. But, I am interested in skiing (snowboarding) and 
conditions at the resorts in Europe, included Scandinavia. So I do think 
that a newsgroup for European skiing is in it's place!


Petter - Norwegian snowboarder 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: christy@hpbs2625.boi.hp.com (christy rohrig)
Subject: "Special Pass" for Powder Mt.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:56:23 GMT
Reply-To: christy@hpbs2625.boi.hp.com (christy rohrig)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

I got a "Special Pass" to Powder Mt somewhere in Utah.  If you're interested in
skiing there and would like a cheap pass I'm willing to sell this pass
for about 
ten dollars.  If you're interested, send me mail with your address and
the amount 
you're interested in paying.  I will reply to all mail by Monday and send the 
ticket out on that day.

Have fun skiing!!!!!  (I'm heading up tonight  :-)
-Christy
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mbryant@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Bryant)
Subject: Salomon 9000 1S Ski
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 00:05:57 GMT



Hi there, I am new to posting so please disregard any 
slips I may make.

I am looking in to buying a new pair of Salomon 9000 1S
skis. Iam looking for any one who owns a pair and their 
feelings on them.  Also about how much should I pay for t
them. I have gotten prices
ranging from $650 to $469. 

Thanks in advance,
Mark
(Don't have a sig yet)
From: sroka@evax.gdc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Want info on Tyrolia bindings
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:27:50 GMT
Organization: General DataComm, Middlebury CT

Hi there. I somehow remember a while back a posting about a recall of Tyrolia 
bindings. Someone was nice enough to post this list. If someone out there 
still has this list I would appreciate it if they could E-MAIL it to me since 
I don't get a chance to check this group often.

Thanks

Stan

Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc)
Subject: Tahoe Skiing Presidents Day Week
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: skiing, tahoe, condo
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:07:53 GMT


Guess this is the last time to try this.  Hope someone is interested.

Presidents' Day in North Lake Tahoe?

We have a timeshare condo that we won't be using this year and would
like to rent it out.

Available the week of 2/13/93-2/20/93 (Presidents' Day week) condo at the 
5 star Tahoe Sands Resorts.  Sleeps 4.  $500 for the week.  Facilities
at resort are Volleyball, Basketball (easy to slam dunk with 10 ft f snow
on the court), Swimming Pool (ice skating?), Spa&Sauna, Gazebo&
BBQ's, Laundry, Private Beach, Nearby Golf, Skiing, Marina, Boat Rentals,
and Parasailing.  The unit contains TV, telephone, microwave, stove,
kitchen, dishwasher, towel service, and refrigerator.
Call Scott Evans at 408-522-8711 (Work) 408-261-2181 (Home) or send 
E-mail to scott@clogic.com

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:53:27 GMT

In article <C1FHtE.6oL@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
> Hmm...not sure how this would fit into the FAQ. There doesn't seem to be
> any clear cut "question/answer" kinda thing happening here. 

Simple :
List the frequently asked topic question
then list the no so simple point/counterpointer answers.
Q1:
A1: reason 1.
A2: reason 2, etc.
Responses to 1, etc.
Just list the points/counter pointers.  That way when some one brings
up helemts again we can say in hymn fashion:
	Baker: Panel 17,
	question 42, answer P5 (or point 5).
in holy fashion.
You just list ALL the answers and stand back.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Bay to Mammoth -- How Long?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:38:06 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1993Jan23.023450.21746@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles):
> Could someone tell me how long of a drive it is from
> the Bay Area (Palo Alto) to Mammoth Mt. Ski Resort.
> I am scheduled to go there for a week in February and
> I've never been.  I assume the fastest way is 50 to
> 395, but, roughly, how long does it take, and what are
> road conditions like?  Plus, if you've been there
> lately, what are the ski conditions like?

I the warm half of the year, it is a 4.5 to 5 hour drive via Sonora
Pass.  That pass is closed now. If all roads are open, my next choice
would be CA 88 over Carson pass to CA 89, then 89 via Markleeville to
395.  That run should be 5 to 6 hours when dry, depending on how
aggressive you are behind the wheel.  Add 1/2 to 1 1/2 hours for snow on
the roads.

chrisp
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Subject: Re: Trip report to Deer Valley, Utah
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:51:58 GMT

Okay guys... I put in a request to management to restrict the storms
that have been pummeling Utah, to the hours between 7 pm and 6 am. Can't
have a white out in the dark :) That way we can have dumpers at night
and clear blue skies during the day... I mean for the damn near fifty
bucks they charge at Bambi Basin.. er I mean Deer Valley.. they should
be able to do that at least... Besides.. if it quits by 6 am, the snow
kitty operators (and snow plow operators) can get out and do their duty
before the lifts open...They said they would consider it. Meanwhile..
if it does dump during the day.. please.. please... stay home.. or go
ski Alta where you will have no problem seeing the person in line in
front of you.

I hear Vail's got pretty good visibility... and better beer.

The previous attitude was brought to you by the Utah Ski Association

Not.

For the humour challenged... lighten up.. whould ya?!?

---

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

		"To turn is to admit defeat"

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt)
Subject: SKI SCHOOL Alta vs SnowBird
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Any opinions on the ski schols at Alta and 
Snowbird?  A friend of mine will be taking his
first lesson at one of the two.  Incidentally,
this is his first time skiing.  How are the 
prices, crowds, quality of the lesson etc. for
each hill.

I like Alta's low-key attitude but I want to make
sure he gets a good lesson for the money.

Thanks,

 Mike.


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:04:15 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Happiness


"To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven; the same key opens
the gates of hell."

Richard Feynman
(describing a Buddhist proverb and it's relationship to the Value of Science)
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:43:36 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Babak Gohari (bgohari@wam.umd.edu) wrote:

> But maybe the mountains should take some more responsibility in their
> skier's safety?  

 Right. It's all the area's fault. Blame the area, that's the ticket! 
 They shouldn't allow people on the hill who will lose control. They
 shouldn't let the parking lot get icy. The guy who hit me cut me with his
 edges...the area should have checked his skis and made him detune 'em 
 before they sold him a ticket. The chair ran too slow and I got cold, I
 should have been warned. I ignored the signs at the bottom of the lift
 and ended up at the top of an expert slope that I couldn't ski so I fell
 and hurt myself...the area should have had people at the bottom checking
 skier ability. I got hit by some dweeb who ignored the signs at the 
 bottom of the chair and ended up on an expert slope...the area shouldn't
 have let him on the chair. I hit a bump and fell down...the area should
 have groomed the hill! The slope was too smooth and I got going way too
 fast...the area should never have groomed the hill!

 Excuse me for going non-linear here...but anybody who advocates this
 kind of idiocy doesn't belong in the mountains. Stay home on the couch
 (which of course is flammable if you dump gasoline on it and smoke...
 the manufacturer should provide a warning label).


 ..glen
From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:24:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <9301261642.AA14456@TIS.COM>

In my own humble opinion based upon what orthopedic's told me for 10 years
of a trick knee (because surgeons wouldn't risk surgery on a non-pro 
athlete), that the ACL can not heal itself.  What they do is try to increase
the strength of the ligaments and muscles around the knee to compensate.  
Such methodology is fine for a non-skier or someone who isn't very 
active.  In my case, just walking around, hop up on a curb crossing the
street, anything could pop it out with associated deterioration of the
ligaments.  Finally after ten years, I tore cartilage.  Fortunately the
Doctor I went to, (which was an accident of fate in its own right), was
learning a relatively new method for ACL reconstruction and offer to
fix the instability.  Of course I jumped at the chance and couldn't be
happier.  I was walking the next day though in a soft cast because all
those dislocates had stretched my ligaments.  The next year I skied with
a brace (surgury May, ski January) and the last 5 years, I've skied without
the brace.  That knee is now a little stronger than the normal one.  So
I say without hesitation, I would be really concerned about a doctors
motivation for saying you can get a long without the surgury.  Ortho
types tend to be pretty skitish about malpractice suits.  For those
curious, the proceedure was to take a part of the outer leg sheet 
with a bone chip and route it into the back of the knee and attach
it to the front of the lower leg bone.  Since that sheet is attached 
at the hip, I have natural attachment at both ends.  The old method used
staples to attach to the bone.  Anyway the new combo is very strong.
***
Note: all opinions are mine, based upon person experience, no medical
training, and a smart, capable, and informative orthopedic surgeon, 
and of course a $10000 knee.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Kazama Outback TM's|More
From: MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:02:15 -0700
Organization: BYU

Whoa!

I stand corrected.  I guess the Kazamas DO have wood cores.  Maybe it was 
some other aspect of the Kazama the Neptune Mountaineering dudes disliked.

Well, anyway...

Hey, anybody tried mounting a Voile plate on top of a Voile releasable 
binding?  I swear by Voile plates; and get a tele ski fouled up in a tree 
or gate or something and a release might be kinda nice.  If anynetter 
has tried it I'd like to know.  Thanks in advance.  Another thing, can 
anybody recommend some good knee pads?

Thanks.

Mike.

PS: the reason a mail message went "bouncy, bouncy" was because I posted 
under: %MikeW@Canc.byu.edu.  That same day my Unix guru said the '%' might 
cause some routing probs in the future, so we 86'ed it.  My address is now:
MikeW@Canc.byu.edu.  That is all.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: bent skis
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:31:28 GMT

I posted an article earlier on my Volkl bent skis.
Do you guys think, there is a warranty on them. The
store who sold them to me, is saying this is a pilot
error, and there is no warranty on that. We can send
it to Volkl for you, to see if they can repair them.
Does this sound right to you?

---



Captain Zod...
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From: rmeester@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Richard Meesters)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: adjusting Salomom 444 bindings?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:05:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario

prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) writes:
: My SO bought some relatively unused but old skis with Solomon 444 bindings
: on them. The scales are obviously not DIN. Does anyone know the conversion
: for these bindings to DIN? The bindings seem to mechanically sound but I have
: only a DIN chart to go by and would prefer not to have to buy new bindings
: since these work well. I have set them to the minumum (she is small, ca. 110
: lbs and a beginner) but I am wary of the "error" part of the trial and error
: method in increasing the settings.
: 

If you want to keep your SO happy and safe, put out the $$ for a pair of new
bindings.  If I recall from my ski-shop days, these bindings were deemed 
unsafe for skiing about 10 years ago.  There were problems with the way the 
toes released during a twisting fall.  That's not to say that these bindings
are necessarily faulty, but why take the chance.  It's not that much cost for
new(er) bindings that will give you much peace of mind.

Regards,

Richard Meesters	            |     THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR....
Systems Software Specialist         |     ...someone else.
NCR Canada.                         |

EMAIL:  richard.meesters@canada.ncr.ca   Voice:  (416)819-4233
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856)
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:29:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.173344.26340@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
>
>
>>New Mexico ski/snow report for 1/20/93:
>
>>            Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
>>Taos          90              4             8 storm
>>Purgatory     85              6            26 week
>
>Something's funny here - I was in Purgatory last week, and they had a ski
>team up from Taos because (they told me) there was so little snow in Taos!
>
>Huh?
>

  Thats because New Mexican inches seem to be smaller than the CO variety!

>jim p.
>-- 
>Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
>Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
>i need to ask myself.....
>***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:29:09 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1k3gj2INNk5@oich.chemeng.ed.ac.uk> geoff@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Geoff Ballinger) writes:
>KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET (Karl Keyte) writes:
>>Is anyone out there in a position to do something about getting a
>>'rec.skiing.europe' newsgroup set-up?  How could I request this?
>>Would any of you be interested?

	How to create a new group deleted

>
>	I would be interested in having a group for european skiing (to save me
>having to wade through hundreds of posts about skiing in the USA) but I don't
>think there would be sufficient traffic to warrent it,

	There certainly isn't alot of european traffic in this newsgroup.
	In fact most postings about Europe are one of them Merikans :-)
	asking about were to ski etc. I'd like to see some more europeans
	here before I take this suggestion seriously.

						Mattias
>
>							Geoff.
>-- 
> Mr Geoff Ballinger,                                    Email: Geoff@Ed.Ac.Uk
> Department of Chemical Engineering,                    Phone: +44 31 650 8557
> Edinburgh University, The King's Buildings,            Fax:   +44 31 650 6551
> Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH9 3JL.


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