From: 185422285%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Alec D. Plotkin)
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Subject: Ruth vs. Graham vs. ????
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:07:00 GMT
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>>In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>>PS These things appear to have been presented as 'no positive discrimination,
>>no quotas' legislation.  Hell, I'd probably vote for that myself.  But they're
>>not, are they?  Buried in all that prose is a lot of nasty negative
>>discrimination and the thin end of a wedge. Btw can someone explain to
>>me why it's Christians who are spearheading all this bigotry when they're
>>supposed to be the ones who'll love *everybody*?  (Stap my vitals, and
>>turn the other blindcheek, that's what I say...)

>Do you want a serious answer?  We do it for that very reason.  Our Book
>clearly states that certain things are wrong, with a capital W.  Voting
>to give preferred status, is "positive discrimination" to people who
>indulge in these practices is thus wrong as well.  If my father were an
>alcoholic, I'd still love him because he *is* my father.  But I wouldn't
>go on his booze buying runs for him.  I also wouldn't protect him from
>a DWI rap.  It's a similar situation.  Christians may love everyone, and in
>fact are *ordered* to do so.[direct quote from God's lips to Gospel-writers'
>pens, worded in the imperitive]  On the other hand, we are told not to
>love all the things people do, too.  I would love my father, but not the
>alcohol; I will love a person, but not all of their actions.  Alcoholism
>is thought to be genetically linked too, these days, but they pass laws
>to protect the rest of us from the drunks, not the other way around.

>You asked for it, you got it; do what you want with it.  This is fairly
>conservative Christian thinking, most of it standard.  There is one
>denomination that will ordain openly gay ministers.  They're in the distinct
>minority, though.  And yes, this is a kissing cousin to the whole abortion
>mess.  Don't even *think* of getting me started on that.:-)

After reading this and a few other postings plus rereading the post on the
topic, I have come to a conclusion: It is my opinion and belief that
Ruth played the game very well at the 'Bake. She was nice to all and
even if she disagreed with a person's view she was still nice. I have
done this before and I am trying to change this in myself. It is
important even during clambakes to be honest. People had many impressions
after meeting each other in person and some are being trashed as we post.
Graham, I agree with and your side of the argument. Conservatives are to
me scary closed-minded people. I have met Christians,Moslems and Jews
which don't believe in such trash.

later and I will stop babbling. I hope I made some sense, I had 3 hours of
sleep.

alec- A liberal in every way. Included below are some words to live by and
fight for with all our might.

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