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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things They Say (nearly 5) or possibly what's the word?
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:45:57 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1993Jan24.064535.819@reed.edu>, cconell@reed.edu (Carol
Conell) writes:
> This was more accurately a puzzling than a cute thing.
> This evening while we were cuddling, my daughter suddenly said
> "Nothing is real!"
> [. . .]
> I assume there's a word--surely not "real" for what she was
> describing and would love to have it to offer next time this
> comes up.  But what is it?

     (dredging up philosophy background) Necessary, I think.  A
"necessary" thing exists in and of itself.  Other things are
"contingent;" that is, their existence requires a "necessary" being. 
Of course, someone will probably post a correction to this, but in my
defense I wish to point out that it's been several years w/o practice.

     You might want to steer your daughter to some Augustine, or to
Sartre for a different viewpoint :-)
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | Just crank that volume to the point of pain.
Email is life!   | Why waste good music on a brain?
Usual Disclaimer | --Spinal Tap, "Heavy Duty"
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How tall will your child be?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Hey, parents/potential parents.

Some time ago, I came across a formula which is supposed to tell you the
ultimate height of your child.  It's supposed to come within a couple of
inches.

I don't recall where I got the formula from, how large a sample it was
tested on, etc.  You need to know the height of each parent and the height
of the child on his/her first birthday.  And the child's sex.

Maybe someone has grown children, and their heights at one year.  If you do,
I'd be interested to know if the formula was close.  If not, if you know your
child's height on his/her first b-day, check out the formula, and save the
answer somewhere.

I think this is more useful than the predict-your-baby's-sex calculator,
anyway. B-)

------------------------- formula follows ---------------------------

Do all calculations in inches.

1. calculate a (avg ht of parents) = (father's height + mother's height) / 2
2. if child is a boy:  use x = 0.61, y = 1.07
   if child is a girl: use x = 0.57, y = 1.12
3. calculate child's height = a*x + b*y - 4.43

------------------------- wasn't that easy? ---------------------------

Let me know if it works.  I'll check back in twenty years or so.

--f2

-----------------------------
  "I can find a thing that I cannot see and see a thing I cannot find.
  The first is time, the second is a spot before my eyes.  I can feel
  a thing I cannot touch and touch a thing I cannot feel.  The first
  is sad and sorry, the second is your heart."
  --The Golux, the only Golux in the world, and not a mere device.
From: mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Infants & Sunscreen (Was Re: Tript to remote island...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:26:18 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <1k6tdmINN46v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
writes:
>A dermatologist told me that the official age when you can use 
>sunscreen on a baby is six months, but that *she* wasn't going 
>to put any on her daughter until the child was at least one year 
>old.

Does this include the PABA-free ones?

Maureen Busch (mbb@keps.com)
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How tall will your child be? -- OOPS!
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:31:54 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Sorry, I left one tiny bit out.  b = height of baby at one year.

Let's try again....
------------------------- formula follows ---------------------------

Do all calculations in inches.

1. calculate a (avg ht of parents) = (father's height + mother's height) / 2
2. b (baby's height) = baby's height on his first birthday
3. if child is a boy:  use x = 0.61, y = 1.07
   if child is a girl: use x = 0.57, y = 1.12
4. calculate child's height = a*x + b*y - 4.43


--f2
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:41:45 GMT

In article <1k1gl2INNaqm@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>"Safe sex" is really an epidemiological concept. If EVERYONE used latex 
>condoms every time, then there would not be an AIDS epidemic, period. 
>That's pretty darned safe. Promotion of condom usage now could save 
>millions of lives in the next decade or two, even though condoms are 
>imperfect.

This is assuming that AIDS is only transmitted through sexual intercourse.

Reminds me of the three junkies passing around a needle, and a fourth
guy walks over and tells them that's dangerous, and one looks up and
says "Oh, it's OK.  We're all wearing condoms."
-- 
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Nance Colucci                                      att!ihlpl!colucci
  "I'm not absolutely sure I want to do ANYTHING, so quit asking."
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: chrisb@cs.cornell.edu (Chris Buckley)
Subject: Re: Non-flamable circumsision info-seeking question
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:13:50 GMT

scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:

>Has anyone ever had a boy whose foreskin did not retract past
>the age of five?  Will it eventually retract?  I hate to even
>imagine how they would go about "fixing" it.  I would appreciate
>any information or experiences.  I sure hope I don't regret
>not having him circumsised!

>		--  maggie

This isn't directly applicable to your case, but
our 3-year old's foreskin was closing itself off (was down to
just a pinprick at the end) and any attempt by the doctors to
get partial retraction resulted in bleeding/adhesion.  So Nathan
went in for a circumcision 3 weeks ago.  Everything went fine:
arrived at the hospital at 7am, left the hospital at 10am,
and Nathan was on Tylenol for a couple of days.  Diaper changes
were definitely objected to for a while though!
                                ChrisB
From: stolcke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:40:38 GMT
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Reply-To: stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: icsib30.icsi.berkeley.edu

In article <TIGGER.93Jan22194001@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>I suggest the cervical cap. Doesn't press on the bladder like a
>diaphragm. Doesn't require extra spermacide applications if you have
>the energy to go for a second time around :-)
>
>
>-- 
>
>Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
>tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
>                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
>
> "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
> children become humane and strong."
> 
>              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish



When I asked my doctor during my postnatal check-up for the cervical
cap she said I couldn't use it while I was breastfeeding - I don't
remember the reason ( I think it had something to do with the change
of the cervix during breastfeeding).
I only read in one book (don't remember which - it was almost three years
ago!) that the cervical cap wasn't o.k. while breastfeeding - all the others
recommended it as one option!
Any other experiences?

(Btw, I tried the mini-pill but had also the feeling that my milk-supply droppedthe moment I started taking it - I ended up with the diaphram and was - am -
very satisfied with it.)

Susanne Stolcke, mother of Patrick (5/31/90) and Oliver (2/10/92)

-- 
Susanne Stolcke					stolcke@icsi.Berkeley.EDU
95A Edgecroft Rd., Kensington, CA 94707		(510) 528-1224
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they do (16 mo) + reading in bed
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:34:36 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


The other day Jan (my wife) picked up Laura at her grandparents to take her
home.  

Well, Laura didn't want to give up the National Geographic she was looking at,
and Jan didn't want the fight, so Laura got to bring the magazine home (read it
in the car :-)  Ditto for going down for her nap.  Rather that risking a major
fight, she put Laura down in her crib still clutching the National Geographic
and said night-night.  A little while later, she peeked in to find Laura had
curled up clutching the magazine and gone to sleep.

About 1 1/2 hours later, Jan peeked in again.  Laura was awake, sitting up in
her crib and "reading" the magazine again.  Did she want to get up?  Nope.
Jan brought her a bottle, which Laura took and continued with the magazine.
A while later Jan went in again to check on her.  Laura hands her the empty
bottle ("I'd like a re-fill, please") and goes back to the magazine.

We've always felt it was important to raise a literate child!

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Boys Names
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:07:22 GMT


	I rather like the sound of Mark Hildin.  What do you think?

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
"There's lots of bread in the freezer!"  "No, I threw it out.  Hard as a rock."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lari@netcom.com (Lari Howard)
Subject: thanks - and update!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:19:13 GMT

hello everyone!

i want to thank everyone that responded to my post on how to entertain
a 2 month old - and my "he always cries before he goes to sleep"
frustration!  your suggestions were a Big help!  i'm sorry i haven't
been able to respond to everyone (Anyone!) but being "mommy" is taking
a lot more time and energy than i have most days...

we just returned from a trip to his "adopted" grandparents (they
adopted me a few years ago!)... he Loved the airplane rides!  so it
really wasn't too much trouble... American Airlines was a great help!

i have to go back to work on the first and know i'm going to miss my
kidlette terribly!  but, being a single mom, this is the way it has to
be - we'll work it out!

i'm sure glad this newsgroup exists!  i hope i have time to write more
to repay you folks for the help you've given me!

thanks again!

lari
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 11 mo still not eating real coarse food
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:44:52 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I am good friends with a family who has a daughter 2 weeks younger
than Katherine. Katherine ate Oatios (like Cheerios) as a solid food
from darned near the beginning of her solids - 6 or 7 months old. No
gagging. Her friend would gag on almost anything, and needed to be fed
soft mush for what seemed to be a long time. Both were perfectly
normal, and both went on to eat very normal foods.

My son likes his food mushed much of the time (he's about your
daughter's age). He likes it very smooth and liquid - so he can gulp
it down. He'll also eat more chewy food, like grains of rice, if he's
in the mood. And he freaked out the people at the YMCA nursery a
couple days ago by gulping down cheerios!

Feed her what she likes to eat, and keep offering her the opportunity
to try new things - you might try putting a little bit of food on her
tray and let her self feed the more chewy foods, while you help spoon
feed her the smooth food. If she starts to want to feed herself most
of the time, you can thicken her mush with potato buds or whole grain
rice (or oat) cereal so that it sticks to the spoon better. I used to
feed Kathy applesauce that way.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:58:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: more bad news

In article <day_kevran-220193163316@130.252.108.182> day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
>In article <1jkchcINN6nl@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM
>(Valerie Jorge) wrote:
>
>> I got my first period (while exclusively nursing) exactly 4 months
>> after my son was born.  I too am curious about others.  I was hoping
>> it wouldn't return for a while longer.  What has been the experience
>> of others?  Was is similar or different for subsequent pregnancies?
>
>After having my son, nursing exclusively - 3.5 months.  This time,
>nursing exclusively - 2 months  :-(!

With my three kids (all exclusively breastfed for 3 months & then fed
solids & breastmilk for 5-17 months thereafter), the times 
were:  6 weeks (!!!!), 7 months, 2 months.

In retrospect, the first is understandable--my daughter never ate very
much & didn't eat very often.  What is not understandable is the
3rd--this kid ate like a horse (& grew to 17 lb at 2 months).  I
couldn't for the life of me figure out why my body thought it was
a good idea to get pregnant again.

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Nanny/Babysitter sharing again 
Keywords: nanny daycare
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:33:43 GMT

Sorry, but I never thought I would be in a position to consider this.
As it turns out, two other women in my building are due within weeks of me.
All three husbands also work in the same company. This is the year for babies:)
One couple is pretty interested in sharing a live-out nanny with us, as we
live very close to work. We would be using our house.

I know there was a thread on this some time ago, and I did save some of it.
If anyone saved the entire thread, please mail it to me.

I'm interested in nanny-sharing only partly to save money. I really want to
be able to pay a (relatively) good salary to whomever will be caring for
my baby, so as to attract an excellent caregiver.

Please don't pick up on this thread. I'm just looking for help from whomever
saved the thread back a few months ago.

Thanks!

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 217@berkp.uadv.uci.edu, cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:

>I have two children with very different personalities.  My oldest child
>is very sensitive and demanding by nature, and his younger brother is very 
>carefree and easy-going.  When I had my first child, my husband was
>working full-time and also going to school at night.  Working part-time
>was not an option.  Plus, I was making a one hour commute each way.
>About 7 months ago, we moved to a house 4 miles from my office, and
>I've reduced my hours to 85% (as low as they'd let me go).  I think that
>my oldest child really suffered from the lack of time that he spent
>with us during his early years.  The younger one seems to take everything
>in stride.  We're now taking the older child for counseling because of
>his disposition.  He has difficulties forming attachments with people,
>including us.  I wish I would've had the choice to work part-time, and
>spend more time with my children.  If I could do it over again, I'd
>say, "sell the house, buy a condo!  I'm staying home."  I'll probably
>get alot of flack about this, because it hits so close to home, but 
>** in my situation ** it would've been better for me to either stay
>at home, or work part-time.  


The sad thing about this is that none of us can be totally sure what is 
exactly the right thing for our kids, and we don't get the opportunity to
"do it over again".  We have to go on our best guess, factoring in all the
parameters like what's good for the child, what's good for Mommy's mental
health, what's good for the family's financial well-being.  It's good to 
be observant of our children's characters,  and have the courage of our
convictions if we have to make hard decisions, but I think all parents
ought to give themselves a bit of slack.  We're not omniscient.

Alison Suggs
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 15 Jan 93 18:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

Actually, I believe we did talk about it when things like this
happened.

1. Once when I was walking home from school, a man offered
me a ride.  I was 16 and old enough to be warned about getting
rides from strangers, but for some reason I thought he was
someone from church (I often got offered rides by my mother's
friends from church).  Once I got in, he started suggesting
I go with him for a ride somewhere.  I repeated "My mother
is expecting me home" until he took me home (my backup plan
was to hit him with my schoolbooks and run).  As soon as I
got home, I told Mom and one of my sisters exactly what
happened.

2. Once, when I was in high school, I took an obscene phone
call.  I didn't quite realize it was an obscene phone call
until I had hung up, because the guy was mumbling so much
that all I could make out was that he appeared to be offering
me some kind of job.  After declining the offer, I spent
a little time piecing together the words and guessing at
what words could sound similar to the nonsensical ones I
had heard, guessed what had happened, and immediately went
to the next room to tell my sisters (and laugh about it).
I don't remember for sure whether I told my mother when she
got home, but I almost certainly did.

3. I think I remember that one of my siblings saw an exhibitionist
and told my mother.

My mother was open and relaxed about answering all of our questions
about sex, and there were plenty of books around the house (like
Our Bodies, Our Selves) that we could look at if she wasn't around
or was busy or we didn't feel like asking her.

Lynn Gazis-Sax

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:57:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan25.202253.8307@leland.Stanford.EDU> nfh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nancy Fisher Hansen) writes:
>
>IMHO, the distinction between "we are pregnant" and "safer sex" is
>a big one.  Although I don't usually make a big deal about whether
>to say "safe sex" and "safer sex," I will most definitely say the 
>latter with my children.  It is simply a more accurate use of the 
>English language.
>
I think you should say whatever you like.  What I object to is being
told what *I* should say.  If Kathy had originally posed it that way,
I would not have objected.  I'm just getting tired of hearing that I'm
not supposed to say certain things.

>The original poster may be trying to be "excruciatingly correct,"
>but if we somehow convince children that having promiscuous sex
>while using condoms is safe behavior, they could very well end
>up "excruciatingly" dead!
>
Where did you hear that the use of condoms was the only prerequisite
for "safe sex"?  I'm not convinced that using condoms, and not all of
the other techniques for "safe sex" even qualifies as "safer sex".
Condoms break too easily, in my experience, to be useful as anything
more than one small facet of an overall method.  Using them as the
only method is (IMHO) terribly risky, and not something I would brand
as "safer sex".

The only truly safe sex is no sex.  If you can convince your kids to
never have sex, great.  Otherwise, I think it would be well for folks
to concentrate on educating people rather than picking nits on verbiage.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mma@bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: Job-sharing/Mommy_Track_&_Technical_Professionals
Reply-To: mma@bellcore.com ()
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:56:48 GMT
Originator: mma@pegasus

Bellcore is just beginning to offer job_sharing;
However it was offered in view of downsizing and
cutting costs; not to address the childcare issue.
I doubt that when presented in this fashion that it 
is going to be successful  :-(



-- 
Mary M. Lau	      Bellcore
MRE 2J-297     	      Email: mma@aries.bellcore.com
445 South st.           Tel: (201) 829-4632
Morristown, NJ 07960    Fax: (201) 829-5976
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rac@philabs.philips.com (Regina Conrad)
Subject: Re: Montessori Schools
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:35:13 GMT

Now 8yrs, he asks to visit Miss Janet on holidays.   
If it were at all possible, I would have continued in Montessori.
My cousin, a child care professional, was concerned over the "structure".
Having used the method, she found the structure gives organized form
to the "chaos" which is required for each child to explore at his/her
own pace.   
Regina