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From: an5039@anon.penet.fi (Lizard King)
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien - soc.culture.indian #66658
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:29:03 GMT

In article <C0JyzM.FM6@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
|> atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
|> 
|> >In <C0JM5M.4oA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
|> 
|> >[..]
|> 
|> >>TAM incident and CR (what the hell is Gulags?) are different from those 
|> >>religious wars, these
|> >>happened in a rapid changing society, when a complex system is facing
|> >>something new, we expect violent comflicts inside the system, it's
|> >                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>understandable for me.
|> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> >So ! Expected violence is understandable and ratified is it ? Firstly
|> >the people are persecuted, killed, massacred. Then you say that that's
|> >fine because its "expected" inside your system. Pray tell me what else
|> >do you "expect" in your system ? Is cannibalism also to be "expected 
|> >inside the system" and thereby be considered "understandable" ?
|> 

|> I was only saying that it's understandable, I haven't said it's good or
                                            ??               ??
|> bad. I have a lot of examples:  when some organ is transplanted to 
                               ??  ??
|> a living body, when a
               ??
|> country exposed to a new outside world, similiar things happens,
          ??                                    ?                ??
|> no matter you like it or not, you cannot help.
            ??
|> 
|> What I said is 'we expect violent conflicts inside the system', not
|> 'violence', sure those conflicts might lead to violence, it seem that
             ?? ??                                       ??    ??  
|> 300 (?) years British government is not enough for a nation to adopt
   ??
|> English language fully.
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
|> 
|> >>The differnce is that China is changing, it's moving forward.
|> 
|> 
|> >And by how many TM squares has it moved forward ?
|> 
|> I don't understand 'TM'.
|> 
|> >>Ze Yang
|> 
|> >Ajit.
|> 
|> Ze Yang

What have we here? Look, boys and girls, Mr. Yang attempts to
criticize other people's grasp of English while he submits the
most pathetic prose ever seen this side of the Yangzte!

Confucious say: Clean own house before trying to clean others.

It seem (sic) that Chinese student (sic) come to US but still
(sic) incapable of learning language (sic) he take (sic)
classes in (sic)!!!

Go back to your politburo in Peking and learn how to massacre
innocent people as part of your lofty ideals of "expecting
violent conflicts inside the system."
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From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Censorship and Internet (Re: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:27:34 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu
Summary: "Fighting words " are not protected; institutions must take action when they can do so.


I will go one up on Craig and remove all the material from the post I am
following up on:-)

Vulgarity used with the sole intent of provoking someone would/could be
construed as fighting words. They have never been protected by the
first amendment.

Any entity that allows its resources to used in this manner, and then
refuses to take action when such instances have been brought to its
notice is liable under the law. Show me a case or the specific law that
disproves this. 

To give a graphic instance: If you insist on calling one particular student,
say, "wop", and that student does not complain to the university but takes
legal action, then the university will not be held responsible. But, if the
student complains to university first, and the university refuses to take
action, the university is liable. In fact, according to the recent laws on
providing a workplace free of harassment and intimidation, theuniversity
may be crimially liable.

Of course, now Craig will edit out the last paragraph and then post a lot
of irrelevant material.
-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:43541 soc.culture.china:34305 soc.culture.tamil:5006 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1625 soc.culture.pakistan:19408 soc.culture.bangladesh:7459
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 10 Jan 1993 03:13:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <93Jan8.163000est.140@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:

>should india return that high grade unrainum(sp?) shipment china sold
>it a couple of years ago ... 

Now that's a first. I have never heard of a Chinese sale of high grade
uranium sale to India. It seems highly unlikely, especially since the Indian
nuclear weapons program was ostensibly begun to counter the Chinese 
deployment of nuclear missiles close to our borders. Also, as far as I know,
only the Tarapore plant uses U-238 while most of the later generation
plants use a mixture of thorium and U-235. Considering that any or all
U-238 could be diverted into a weapons program, it seems almost ludicrous
to suggest that China would ignore the possibilities of nuclear deterance
in South East Asia.

Are you sure you are not referring to Pakistan, a liberal and 
secular democracy, which has been experimenting in the peaceful utilization 
of nuclear power and has produced only a couple of Hiroshima type of bombs
as an honest mistake. After all they have not had a Phokaran type of blast
and the world can definitely take their word for it, when they claim not
to have a clandestine weapons program. And so what if the US is ready to
brand them a terrorist state....after all it's not credibility that their
Government lacks. 
 

>hmmm, peaceful purpose only you say? 
>that's it, i am convinced, china is selling weapons to build
>a more peaceful & loving world.  ;->  

Sure, sure I agree. Scud missiles to Iraq, nuclear technology to Pakistan
and Iran, 40 F-1 Mirage fighter planes to Pakistan, destroyers and naval
frigates to Bangladesh, chemical weapons information sold to Libya and on 
and on....

What do all these states have in common other than being peace loving,
Moslem Fundamentalist regimes with with past histories of autocratic or 
dictatorial Governments and a track record for persecuting their own people?
Well, they all happen to be client states of the great People's Republic
of China. Need I say more about the great Chinese endeavor to produce
lasting world peace.


Samit
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University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srsurapa@mtu.edu (Surapanani)
Subject: TORCH THE CANDLE ----- A POEM
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:16:24 GMT


             Torch the Candle


      The cowboy dreams of past
         on memories sad and pleasant
         as he sets his eyes on the candle
         its wick brightly lit in the dark
         illuminating the nebulous path
         to mysteries of evanescent glow
         of the dark clouds from the years ago

      The memories past
         ingrained in mind
         like the frozen wax
         on the tips around the candle's wick
         with the scars of yester year
         of forgotten friendships and lost love
         embedded as molten streams and drops of tears

      Strange the memories do haunt in the dark
         the light from the wick
         accentuating the shadows from the past
         the images dominating the body of life
         the ghosts dancing in and around you

      As the flame flickers
         so do the shadows
         with life of their own
         a strange sense of mystic quality
         sprouting from within
         casting a dark glow of indigo
         as the past reincarnates into present

      The fleeting images do flicker and change
         churning a sense of dejavu
         leaving behind a cauldron of feelings
         from sweet and sour
         to blues indigo

      As the smoke from the eyes lifted
         so did the cowboy from his reverie
         with a will to destroy
         and torch the candle
         and with it
         the dark shadows from the past

      With a flick of switch
         the torch lit up
         fireball of neon flame
         burning the candle and the wick
         to a puddle of ash and wax stain

      As the candle disappeared
         so did the tears
         and the scars
         but the stains will last
         for long times to come



                   Srini Surapanani

       (The cowboy from the land of holy cows and magic fakirs)


 p.s      A different light in the candle light
          of perception and introspection
          on the crisis of ayodya
          as the masjid disappeared
          in a torch of flames
          with memories past and present
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From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman )
Subject: rn solution (Re: KILL file for the annonymous postings)
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:08:22 GMT

[I have removed the References line on purpose.]

vbhatt@cs.cornell.edu (Vivek Bhatt) writes:

)Is there a way to have a KILL file remove these "annonymous" postings that have
)become a daily pain. A file (or whatever) that removes all the postings (for me
)--- using rn) originating from the X-anon thing.

Sure there is. But ask your news admins to install trn or if you are
adventurous, you yourself can. It is a lot more easier with trn 3.0
(still in beta testing - watch out on news.software.readers).

For rn/trn users:
Type Ctrl-K  once inside soc.culture.indian and enter the following :

/^From:.*@anon.penet.fi/h:j

Read the F manual (RTFM) for details.

)--Vivek

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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From: kapur@usc.edu (Sanjiv Kapur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: About getting multiple entry H-1 visa in Tijuana,mexico
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:35:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



Hi netters,

	This is for a friend of mine who has an H-1 visa. He is based in L.A., so nearest mexican town with American Consulate is Tijuana.

	Can anybody post me all the information about converting his status to multiple entry H-1 visa, like what are the documents needed, the address of the american consulate in Tijuana, and so forth.

	I know that this topic has come on net for several times. If somebody has collected the information, I would be glad to get it thru e-mail. 

Thanks in advance,
S. Kapur

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Bekel bela, Theker somoai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:43:36 GMT

dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:


>		AADDA JOINT
>		----------

>Nishitda--> AAr parchina ! eei baare biye ta korei phelbo .
>	 
>Debda--> Good idea . Kore phal na . Buro hoe gele bou paabina .

>Nishitda--> kintu ekta problem aache .

>Deepokda-->Kee holo , keo gaalagal dilo na ki toke . Niye chol aamake 
>	  emon gaalagal debo ki saala baaper naam bhoole jabe 
>	  b%^&* , M%$#@^.......

>Ruchirda-->chup kor to , jokhon dekho shudhu khisti maarche .

>Debda--> Nishit bol ki problem aache , aami BJPr puro shapport niye aashbo .

>Nisitda-->Aare aamar ekta communisht minded maagi chaai .

>Parthoda--> Ki ekta chinku me ene dobo ?

>Phophot--> Are hum tumka Bihari larki ene debe  . Pura das lakh rupaiya dahej
>	   me dilaibe . Ekdam bara aadmi hoye jaabi .
>	   Arey too ki janat , humka chaar saal ki umariya me hi panch laakh
>	   rupaiya dahej me mila tha .

>Deepokda--> Khisti baaj maagi chaai naa ki ?

>Nishitda-->Tora aamaar dukhkho kichui boojhli na .

>[ MOOstapha kichui bolchena ]

>Nishitda--> MOOstapha tui kichu bolbi na ?

>MOOstapha--> ki bolbo ?

>Nishitda--> tor naa ki onek gulo bon aache ?

>MOOstapha--> Chheelo .

>Debda--> Chheelo maane ?????

>MOOstapha--> Abey ekta pore ekta shobai ke biye kore phelechi .

	      are duto  Sham ke deyai deachi.

Deepokda ---> Ata kinto bhalo korlina, MOOstapha. Ami anok din agae theke
              tur kachae akta chayachilam.

MOOstapha---> Ke korbo mairi, Shala amake bhoy dekachilo je na delae amar
              pod mere debae.

Nishit

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From: gaur@cs.uiuc.edu (Rajeeva Gaur)
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:57:50 GMT

yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:

>sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:

>>Well, China has an enormous potential to light up this world with the
>>teachings of Buddha.  Buddha epitomizes peace more than even Ram or
>>Gandhi (my opinion) If China is to be a torch-bearer of Buddha's ideals,
>>one way for it to start is to stop selling arms.

>This is another bullshit, this guy is telling us not selling weapons
>to feed our people but let them starve to death (like in India).

>Ze Yang

Your justification is unacceptable. You are supporting wars elsewhere 
to save your people from starvation! This is unethical. No Buddhist 
would preach this. Your language is bad (re: bul*****). You seem to 
be annoyed too. I don't see how some chinese could comment on the 
postings on SCI. Remember, there are only few Indians who flame.

regards,
Rajeeva gaur
email: gaur@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: MR Scindia escapes attack
Keywords: Scindia Radicals Hindu Suspected
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:07:23 GMT

bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:


>apnews reports:
>	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Suspected Hindu radicals attacked a
>train carrying a prominent government minister who escaped unhurt,
>news reports said Sunday.
>	   Madhav Rao Scindia, the minister for civil aviation and tourism,
>was the apparent target of the attack, which occurred Saturday in
>Agra, 105 miles southeast of New Delhi, United News of India news
>agency said.
>	   Scindia is a leading critic of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya
>Janata Party, which was blamed for urging Hindu zealots to destroy
>a Muslim shrine in the town of Ayodhya last month. The razing of
>the mosque triggered Hindu-Muslim rioting across India in which at
>least 1,200 people were killed.
>	   TV footage showed the train's windows were smashed during the
>attack, but it was not immediately clear what weapons the
>assailants used.


		MAR JAATA TO ACHCHA THA .

		IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF HE HAD DIED

					DEEPAK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: satyab@synopsys.com (Satya Bommireddy)
Subject: Test
Organization: Synopsys, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:07:11 GMT

From: sharma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Sandeep Sharma (temp))
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:39:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Hindu Calendar for February 1993
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

In soc.culture.indian, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

> 
>                    HINDU CALENDAR  for February 1993 
>                    =================================
> 
>  Hindu Calendar:
>    Hindu calendar consists a cycle of 60years.  Each year year has 12 months,
>    and each month has thirty days. These are fixed on the basis of Moon,
>    (english calendars are based on SUN). In order to take care of extra days,
>    the calndars some time have adhika-masa ( like extra-day  in a leap year).
>    Each month has two fortnights Krishna Paksha (New-Moon fortnight or 
>    dark fortnight) and Shukla Paksha (Full-Moon fortnight or Glowing fortnight).

This info is interesting ; can you or somebody post some more on it ?
The lunar cycle should take 27.x days , right ? How is a lunar
day/month mapped on to a solar day/month ? 
Is the length of a day in the lunar/hindu calendar of variable hours ? 

thanks,
Sandeep
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: usenet@almserv.uucp
Subject: test
Organization: x
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:01:21 GMT

message test.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: Pakistan (The Origin) - Division of Sub-Continent
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1992Dec29.144725.13152@topaz.ucq.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.144725.13152@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:

   Xref: shearson.com soc.culture.indian:103715 soc.culture.pakistan:30523
Path: shearson.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!topaz.ucq.edu.au!salama
   From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
   Date: 29 Dec 92 14:47:25 AET
   References: <1992Dec24.190906.1747@brtph560.bnr.ca> <1992Dec28.172529.24779@bnr.ca>
   Distribution: world
   Organization: UCQ
   Lines: 16

   In article <1992Dec28.172529.24779@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
   > I my opinion and that of our people (in Haryana) partition was a 
   > cruel "joke" perpetrated by departing British who were arrogant
   > enough to think they new what was "best" for India. There are
   > Jats who are Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs...quite happy to share the
   > land and its fruits, yet follow different traditions. Uniformity
   > does NOT lead to unity . You will not find a country more uniform
   > than Solamia (98% Sunni, 99% Somalis) yet worst country on the
   > earth, if not the worst.
   > 
   > Toelrance for others views, faiths, tradition make the civilization.
   > Acid test being how the minority rights are respected...nuff said.

>>	YES, ENOUGH SAID. NO MORE GARBAGE!

	It is a FREE COUNTRY and everyone is FREE to post their views. If you can
 	not agree to other's views, you do not have to read it.
	I think people of Pakistan,Bangla Desh, and India have many similarities just
	like all European countries. May be one should learn from Europe to live
	in harmony. This is what makes Non-European's weak against taking any united
	stand. You are human first then anything else.

--
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vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: alt.hindu Newsgroup
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  6 JAN 93 09:25:35    


In article <9301052111.AA17214@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes...
>editor@rbhatnagar@csm.usc.edu (???) writes:
> 
>> As many of you know, alt.hindu a moderated newsgroup is now
> 
>    Who are the editors of this moderated newsgroup?
> 
>    The moderated USENET newsgroups that I read provide the names
>of their moderators, but `alt.hindu' is an exception. I have not
>seen the names of the moderators of `alt.hindu' so far in `alt.
>hindu'.
> 
> - SP.
> 

	How does it matter? alt.hindu is not a forum for anti-hindu
	activities. It is a forum for hindu related discussions which are
	intended to provide a broader and constructive understanding of the
	hindu culture. For anti-hindu activities, there are plenty of
	newsgroups and news digests (such as INDIA-DIGEST from some
	india-news@andy.bgsu.edu). What problem do you have if alt.hindu
	exists? What kind of tolerance is this?

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RAVI SHARMA OF PORTLAND DIVORCES HIS NEWLY ARRIVED BRIDE!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:55:00 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan11.212551.19435@bnr.ca> uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
>Why is this a "news". Happens all the time with the real people.
>Ms Varma should not look back and enjoy life in the USA and to
>hell with her ex-hubby.

Isn't there a two year wiat to get a regular green card? At the least, Ms Varma
needs legal help to deal with INS.

Break-up of any marriage should be occassion for sadness. If this happens all
the time, a support group needs to be set up. Dealing with a new country
and emotional distress at the same time is not easy.

And if this happens all the time, I am glad that none of the perpetrators 
number among my friends.

>For those who love the total Indian ways, just one question: Why the hell
>did you come here (of course you can lie to yourself)...

Like Sita followed Rama to the jungle?

That the wife moves to wher her husband is much too common to be ignored.
It used to be the case when two-carrer couple were rare, even in US.
Hilary Clinton still has to put her law carrer on hold. One cannot ignore
the reality.



-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bekel bela, Theker somoai
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:39:08 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Shomit likhonti:

>Phatphat ---> Hum kahilba ki tum log kum umar saadi kaon nahi kar lete? Jaise
>ki Ramu ki ma aur hum  aat sal aur bara saal may hi sadi ki thi. Aab tak
>Ramu, Shamu, Jamu aur Damu ho chuka. Tum log sala amrika ja ke ek dum barbaad
>hoye geele.
>
>Samit --->  Aabe sala phatphat, USC mey to ghur ghur ke 'blonde' dekhta hai.
>Ekhane ese sala pod pakami korche. Maire, California te beach e string
>bikini pora meye gulo dekhe mone hoi biye eto sigri keno korlam.


	ae shala Shomit banerjee ekdumshe haraami ou Deepak Bose ka maphic.
	Ek thau hum sheedha shadha bholaram bhagat rojai sabera sabere
	Ram naam japayi or ye Shomit da bachada hamra naam ka kalank 
	kardeyi. Bole humahun Caliphornia beach and Malibu beach pe adh nangan
	chhori ghoorat. Hey Ram! Radhe Shyam! Ghor kaliyug. Hum bamman ka
	bachada, hum kauno paap nahin karat. arre Godura moshai, humra
	deshi tharaa ka ka hua? Badi talab hui be kari....

	phophotonti
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