HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: posting to fj groups
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:59:31 GMT
Followup-To: sci.lang.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

mike@neopath.wa.com (Mike Rosenlof) writes:

>I want to post an article or two to some of the fj newsgroups, and would
>like some advice from others who may know what they're doing. My main
>question is what code should I use for japanese text?

Not so simple as question. Do you mean what code should you send
to your host? Or what code is used on your host for Japanese? Or
what code is sent by your host to other machines? These can be,
and in many cases are differenet. 

>News I post from here appears to get mangled so that the escape characters
>for JIS codes are stripped, but EUC code *seems* to go out fine - I posted
>some messages with a 'local' distribution.  Are readers in Japan going to
>be able to read a EUC message, or will they get a screen full of garbage?
>
>Alternately, any thoughts about posting JIS from here? (It seems like
>all the articles I read are JIS, that's why I worry about this.)

As far as I know everything for fj is exchanged in JIS. It gets
converted to whatever each site needs but the medium for exchange is
JIS. 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: words for 'canyon' and 'fossil'
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:49:19 GMT

Hello folks,

It is my habit, when I go on camping trips, to take my japanese
dictionary with me and look up the translations to everything
I see and think of on the trip.  Well, there are two words I
couldn't find in my modest dictionary collection that I'd greatly
appreciate knowing the japanese equivalents of:

canyon -- as in Hell's Canyon
fossil -- animals and plants (if there is a difference)

Thanks, 
Bart in OR
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: luke@platypus.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?35
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date:  2 Sep 92 16:42:46

In article <9209021311.AA09703@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>KANJI OF THE DAY # 35

>   OnYomi: KYUU
>  Kunyomi: su(u)  -  to sip, to breathe in, to suck, to absorb
>                     to smoke (tobacco), to inhale, to bibe

>KYUUshuu  -  absorption, suction, attraction
>SU(i)mono -  soup  (gives some indication how to eat soup :-)

How about "koKYUU", "breathing, respiration"?
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  David Luke                      "There's nothing worse than a brilliant     |
|  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu           image of a fuzzy concept."                 |
|                                                               -- Ansel Adams |
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:13:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <9209030924.AA15536@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>I'm trying to write a letter to a friend, but there are a few
>phrases that I can't seem to find in any of my books. So how
>does one say in Japanese:
>
>"Can you do me a favour?" ?

	In a letter:
		chotto onegai shitai koto ga aru no desu ga.... (polite)
		hitotsu/chotto onegai ga arimasu.   (polite)
		tanomitai koto ga aru N da keredo.... (casual)
		
	coloquial:
		sumimasen/suimasen   (all mighty!!)
		or use the same/similar expressions as in a letter

>but the selection is achieved by buttons on the top. Which leads
>me on to another question. How does one say:
>
>"England is 2 years behind Japan"?
>
	Igirisu wa nihon yori(mo) ni-nen (wa) okurete iru


					Tetsuya Nishimura


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: tvp@GIBDO.ENGR.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: Proficiency Tests
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:24:22 GMT

In article <9208290249.AA09210@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>>
>> I know that Eleanor Jorden, the Queen of Japanese Linguistics, has
>> written a Japanese Profiency test for use through Educational Testing
>
>> It's done completely with the tape recorder, with multiple choice
>
>> Jorden system.  Very biased !
>
>Sounds like her students couldn't pass the REAL proficiency tests, so
>she had to make and sell her own test.  (Sorry, Jorden fans, but I just
>could not resist.)
>
>The serious question is whether proficiency requires the use of kanji.
>As I understand it, proficiency should include at least a limited degree
>of literacy.  On the other hand, verbal skill should be included in any
>proficiency test.
>
>I would like to know if any of Jorden's students has ever tried to live
>in Japan.

Do you mean one of her immediate students studying underneath her or
someone whose study began with her first two books and then went on
from there? I'm the latter type and survived just fine there for
four years. I don't know if direct contact would've helped me or
hurt me much though.

>Steve Dwyer

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: words for 'canyon' and 'fossil'
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:01:29 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <jwb.715217486@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>
>>In article <6795@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman) writes:
>>>couldn't find in my modest dictionary collection that I'd greatly
>>>appreciate knowing the japanese equivalents of:
>>>
>>>canyon -- as in Hell's Canyon
>>	
>>	Tani,  Kyo^koku
>
>Edict has keikoku as well.
>The Wordtank has fukai kyoukoku

 If Mr. Hickman has to translate an article on fossils (kaseki) in Hell's 
Canyon, the best way might be to translate "Hell's Canyon" as "Heruzu
kyanion" in katakana and add some description in the parenthesis --
something like (Amerika no XXX shuu ni aru fukai kyoukoku) -- or as a foot
note when it appears first in the article. (If there's a paragraph explaining
what Hell's Canyon is, the additional description may not be necessary.)

 Considering the fact that Grand Canyon is usually translated into
"Gurando kyanion" in katakana, I think that it should make sense. 

Michiaki Masuda
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese/Chinese Kanji count
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:56:18 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: robert@AHI.PBRC.HAWAII.EDU's message of 24 Aug 92 20:59:23 GMT

In article <9208242102.AA03032@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>
   robert@AHI.PBRC.HAWAII.EDU (Lopaka) writes:

 =}Much to my surprise, I was reading about how "The Japanese character
 =}set as described in the document JIS X 0208-1990 specifies ... 6,355
 =}kanji in two levels".
 =}
 =}On the next page, "Late in 1990 a supplemental Japanese character
 =}standard called JIS X 0212-1990 was published by Japanese Industrial
 =}Standards (JIS) which specified an additional 5,801 kanji," ... "This
 =}means that there are now 12,156 STANDARD kanji in Japanese.  However,
 =}no machine has yet implemented these new characters."
 =}
 =}WOW !  I realize that maybe a lot of these are technical words and in
 =}peripheral layers of usage, but still !  Let the truth be known.

   Most of the 12,156 kanzi are standard (as in JIS) but they are not
standard (as in being used).  Most of the kanzi are there for historical
reasons.

   So in regard to the thread, the estimates of 2-3000 kanzi are the
truth as these are the kanzi that people will actually learn in Japan.

 =}What a great document in so many ways--this just being a small
 =}example.  What a guy!

   I also appreciate Mr. Lunde's work in spreading knowledge of the
codification of Japanese.
From: NOONANC%AC%CSC@CSC.ISU.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: unsubscribe NOONAN
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Please Unsubscribe u me from the Japanses Language Discussion List.
Thank you
CARLA NOONAN
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: melby@DOVE.YK.FUJITSU.CO.JP ("John B. Melby")
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji.
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:12:07 GMT

>Anyways, there are lots of combinations.  I recomend you $B9c:i!!??0!5W(J
>or $B9,:n!!??0!5f(J.

Any transcription of "Mark" that kanjifies the "a" looks quite bizarre
in my opinion.  How about the Chinese transcription $BGO9n(J or possibly
something like $B??5W(J?

>My friend has $B;}L4(J for his first name.  I've been thinking
>his family name in Kanji for his birthday gift.  It's TOUGH!  His
>family name is Gottlieb.

How about a literal translation ($B?@0&(J)?

As far as I'm concerned, I haven't really seriously "Moribe Jun"-ified
my name yet.  Something that reads equally well in Chinese and Japanese
would be nice, but I haven't really thought up anything very clever.

-----
John B. Melby
Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama
melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com
From: yhmok@hornet.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: To study Both Japanese and Chinese?
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:22:42 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.mti.sgi.com

In article <9208260128.AA13191@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, Lim_Lily.xssc@RXSGP.XEROX.COM writes:
|> In article <9208241504.AA18743@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:>  Now I have
|> another question. Is it easy to learn BOTH japanese and
|> >chinese at the same time ? I was thinking that knowing almost 2,000
|> >characters would make chinese pretty easy, right ?
|> 
|> From my personal experience, I do find that knowing Chinese makes learning
|> Japanese easier. Many a time, we can guess the meaning of Kanji easily but of
|> course the  Kanji pronounciation  differs alot from the Chinese pronounciation.
|> 
	I agree that knowing Chinese makes understanding meaning of Knaji little bit easier.  But from my experience, beause of the kanji, I tend to read them as Chinese even when they should be Japanese.  This makes it very difficult for me to think in Japanese.  This does not help learning Japanese Grammar which is totally different from Chinese.  It also give me an inbalance in reading and speaking abilities.
	I think the best way for people who know Chinese and want to learn Japanese should try to avoid Kanji as much as possible during the early learning process.  Kanji learning can start later cause we only need to learn about the pronouncation and may be a few Japanese only ones.

	Shark at SGI
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: dr@ITE.OTA.GOV
Subject: Nihongo
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:00 GMT

why am I getting this message #2
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Can Anyone Translate This?
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:44:21 GMT
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


ntetsuya> 	Literal meaning of the sentence:
ntetsuya> 		"I don't like the heads of people working for a/the company."

ntetsuya> 	Possible PRAGMATIC meanings of the sentence:
ntetsuya> 		"I hate the way workaholics thinks."
ntetsuya> 		"I hate the way you guys (= workaholics) think."
ntetsuya> 		"I hate to work here (= where there are workaholics)."


What about:

P1: Ano hagetteiru hito ha kaisha jin desu ka? (pointing to some Bald person)
   (Is that person a company employee?)

P2: Yahari, Kaisha jin no atama iya desu yo... :-)

--
+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
| Claude Huss          | Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.|
| Networking Engineer  | Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN            |
|                      | Phone: +81-3-3452-4941 Fax: +81-3-3451-0793         |
+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
| Disclaimer:"Any comments for my company > /dev/null"                       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
             Gaijin Touroku Card: Don't leave home without it!
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: words for 'canyon' and 'fossil'
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:31:32 GMT

In article <6795@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman) writes:
>Hello folks,
>
>It is my habit, when I go on camping trips, to take my japanese
>dictionary with me and look up the translations to everything
>I see and think of on the trip.  Well, there are two words I
>couldn't find in my modest dictionary collection that I'd greatly
>appreciate knowing the japanese equivalents of:
>
>canyon -- as in Hell's Canyon
	Kyoukoku, or, for a BIG one, Daikyoukoku

>fossil -- animals and plants (if there is a difference)
	Kaseki, or roughly "changed rock". Rather appropriate, I thought.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: dosv related software
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:50:16 GMT
Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.berkeley.edu

a recent posting asked for ftp sites for dosv related software.
i have found little at major archives (todai, waseda, osaka).
this is not surprising.  ax has been out much longer and is said
to have 15 percent of the market, but there is little for ax
machines.  perhaps ftp sites are not the best place to look.

dosv users interested in commercial dosv software might wish to
get a copy of "IBM Paasonarushisutemu/55 Sofutouea katarogu".
This lists software that has been ported to various IBM PeeCee
platforms (dosv and earlier).  my edition, received air express
today, is listed as july, 1992.

Nihon IBM
Personal System Jigyo^bu
Porting Support
03-5563-5897

Japan 106
Tokyo-to
Minatoku
Roppongi 3-2-12
Nihon IBM

no price is indicated.  usually "catalogs" of this kind are given
away by vendors.  whether they would air express a copy to a
non-institutional address, i do not know.

the catalog is 119 pages and lists products from a number of
vendors, not just ibm.

earl h. kinmonth
centre for japanese studies
university of sheffield
sheffield england
-- 
earl h. kinmonth, centre for japanese studies, university of sheffield,
sheffield, england s10 2tn  jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Douglas S. Brashear")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Hello
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14: 14:37 TZONE

hey...what happened to this bboard...no messages for a while...did I
miss something?
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: DMROARK@TWSUVM.BITNET (roark)
Subject: Nihongo
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:01:02 GMT

I wish to subscribe to listserv-nihongo.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: wdw@MATH2.SMA.USNA.NAVY.MIL ("Wm. Douglas Withers -- math FACULTY              ")
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji and more
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:28:30 GMT

In article <9208241504.AA18743@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>  Now I have another question. Is it easy to learn BOTH japanese and
>chinese at the same time ? I was thinking that knowing almost 2,000
>characters would make chinese pretty easy, right ? And these characters
>only have one pronunciation in chinese, right ? And the grammar is very
>simple, right ? And it may even help learning japanese to study chinese
>in parallel...if all the kanjis don't get mixed up in my mind :-)
>  Any ideas ? Has someone out there tried to learn both ? Is it the thing
>to do to master written japanese (and chinese as a side effect) ?

I have done this, studying both Japanese and Chinese for the last fifteen
years or so.  My knowledge of Japanese has always been superior to that of
Chinese.  There is no doubt that familiarity with Japanese is a great asset
in trying to learn Chinese.  However, you should not expect Chinese to come
merely as a side effect of learning Japanese.  The following points come to
mind:

1.  Chinese pronunciation is quite different from Japanese, and I think
generally more difficult for native English speakers.  However, given
the limited range of syllables appearing in Chinese, you can master this
at the beginning and not worry about it thereafter.

2.  Many kanji can appear in three different forms (and occasionally more):
one traditional form, still used in Taiwan, a simplified form used in Japan,
and another simplified form used in mainland China.

3.  The modern Chinese pronunciation of a character and the Japanese `On'
pronunciation often appear at first glance to be completely unrelated.
For example, the `kyo' of `Tokyo' is pronounced `jing' in Chinese. However,
there are underlying regularities which facilitate learning the Chinese
pronunciation.

4.  Chinese word usage is often different from that in Japan.  For example,
the characters for `kisha' ((steam) train) in Japanese are used in China
to mean `automobile'.

5.  Chinese grammar, while not terribly difficult, is not trivial to learn
either.  There are some similarities of spirit between the two languages.
For example, neither language uses relative pronouns.

Good luck.
From: mskelton@wrdis01.af.mil (Mark Skelton)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: rfc on japanese character encoding
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:54:01 GMT
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

From: schnoor@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil (SSgt Robert Schnoor)
Subject: Japanese Character Encoding for Internet Messages

A New Internet Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories. This draft is a work item of the
Internet Message Extensions Working Group of the IETF.


       Title     : Japanese Character Encoding for Internet Messages
       Author(s) : Jun Murai, Mark Crispin, Erik van der Poel
       Filename  : draft-ietf-822ext-iso2022jp-00.txt
       Pages     : 5

This document describes the encoding used in plain text electronic
mail and network news in several Japanese networks. It was first
specified by and used in JUNET [JUNET]. The encoding is now also
widely used in Japanese IP communities.
This document provides a name for the encoding which is intended to be
used in the "charset" parameter field of MIME [MIME] messages.
This document only describes the encoding of plain text. The encoding
of other subtypes of text, such as rich text, is not discussed here.

Internet-Drafts are available by anonymous FTP.  Login with the
username "anonymous" and password "guest".  After logging in,
Type "cd internet-drafts".
     "get draft-ietf-822ext-iso2022jp-00.txt".

Internet-Drafts directories are located at:

     o  East Coast (US)
        Address:  nnsc.nsf.net (128.89.1.178)

     o  West Coast (US)
        Address:  ftp.nisc.sri.com (192.33.33.22)

     o  Pacific Rim
        Address:  munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21)

     o  Europe
        Address:  nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17)

Internet-Drafts are also available by mail.

Send a message to:  mail-server@nisc.sri.com. In the body type:
     "SEND draft-ietf-822ext-iso2022jp-00.txt".

For questions, please mail to internet-drafts@nri.reston.va.us.


Below are the commands for a MIME compliant Mail Reader
implementation to automatically retreive the ASCII version
of the Internet Draft.

--NextPart
Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess"

--OtherAccess
Content-Type:  Message/External-body;
        access-type="mail-server";
        server="mail-server@nisc.sri.com"

Content-Type: text/plain

SEND draft-ietf-822ext-iso2022jp-00.txt

--OtherAccess
Content-Type:   Message/External-body;
        name="draft-ietf-822ext-iso2022jp-00.txt";
        site="nnsc.nsf.net";
        access-type="anon-ftp";
        directory="internet-drafts"

Content-Type: text/plain

--OtherAccess--
--NextPart--

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: tvp@GIBDO.ENGR.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: QUERY: DOS/V
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:47:15 GMT

In article <9208310352.AA22642@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>In sci.lang.japan you write:
>
>>Does anyone know if there are DOS/V programs that let one print out Japanese
>>text on 9 pin Epson compatible printers?
>
>>In a related vein, a more general question: I hear there are dozens of
>>freeware and shareware programs for DOS/V available on BBSs around Japan.
>>Are there Internet FTP sites that carry such programs?
>
>I'm also very interested in DOS/V and would be very grateful to know
>what you find out. Perhaps you could post a summary. A list of
>FTP sites for DOS/V perhaps? :-)

DOS/V is a commercial software product of IBM and cannot be FTP'd.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: non-Japanese names in Kanji
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:00:11 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: harkcom@PA.YOKOGAWA.CO.JP's message of 25 Aug 92 03:59:49 GMT

That "Reply-To:" field finally caught me.  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?36
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date:  3 Sep 92 10:13:18

In article <9209030920.AA15389@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>KANJI OF THE DAY # 36

>NAMpa    -   wreckage (of ship)

also NAMpasen, "wrecked ship"

>NANmon   -   difficult question
>ariGATA  -   Thank You (literally: impossible to exist)

should be ariGATAi or ariGATOu, with the 'i' or 'u' in hiragana.  Of course,
this is usually all written in hiragana...

Also:

NAMmin  --  refugee
konNAN  --  hardship, difficulty

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  David Luke                      "There's nothing worse than a brilliant     |
|  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu           image of a fuzzy concept."                 |
|                                                               -- Ansel Adams |
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Boston Carrer Forum's changed rembursment policy!
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:14:48 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>> _osore irimasu..._
>> 
>> For all those going to the Boston Carrer Forum being put on thorugh
>> the Disco people and advertised by the magazine _shushoku joho_ be
>> prepared for the new reimbursment policy.  
>> 
>> As of a call tonight to them they will only reimburse for plane
>> tickets purchased through their backscratcher travel agency SEIL.
>> Seil quoted a price of $275 rd/trip from KCI for me, but mentioned
>> that the price would be __$380__! after next Monday.  So anyone who's
>> going had better jump on this QUICK!!
>>      <stuff deleted> 
>> _shushoku joho's Carreer Forum == 1(800) 999-0179
>> SEIL Travel Services == 1(800) 262-7345
>> 
>> Adapt Carreer Services == 1(800) 537-2186
>  
> Monday is the day the prices are going up so be careful to make your
> reservations _soon_ or risk the price shock!

Did anyone else make their reservations?
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Life Happens?