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From: petitc@vccsouth06.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:37:40 GMT

mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:

>I am not a diehard Trekker, but I do remember hearing in a few episodes that
>the holodeck is supposed to protect its users from any real danger. In O'Brien's
>kayaking program, a few bruises would likely be allowed, since to take them
>away would seriously hamper the realism of the experience. And I imagine 
>Worf's 'calisthenic' program allows a few cuts and bruises, too. It seems
>like the user can select the amount of danger to which they wish to be 
>exposed, within preset limits. Every time someone is seriously hurt in the
>holodeck, everyone gets that 'oh my god, the main computer just went for a
>crap again' look and starts running around calling engineering trying to find
>out what's going on.

 Hahaha!  If that's true, then the Holodeck computers still have more than a
few bugs left in them.  :&)


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From: pksuk@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Peter K. Suk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Einstein and Warp Speed
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:40:21 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <1992Dec9.065942.8528@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
pmm3w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Paul Moore Mckee) writes:

>There is a minimum amount of time, calles Plank time, and things
>that happen in a shorter period than this don't have to obey
>physical laws (in this case, relativity).
>The warp drives cause the E to go at a speed much faster than the 
>speed of light, but for a period of time less than the Plank time,
[deleted]
>greater than the speed of light.  The result: FTL travel without
>the ghost of Einstein coming to get you.
>
>Paul McKee   pmm3w@virginia.edu
>Grad Student Dept of Physics, University of Virginia

So, then who's that big, whisical looking German guy with the moustache
and white hair standing behind you?

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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Einstein and Warp Speed
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:12:42 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz writes:
>
>And wouldent this make the best wepon just accelerat (on impulse) as close to
>LS as you can then warp shift to the target and let go.
>a mass slamming in to you at LS would not be the best cure for a hangover.

In fact, substantially slower velocities would do it.  A projectile
the mass of a photon torpedo casing impacting at .15c would produce as
much energy in the collision as would the torpedo's warhead
detonating.  Why bother with a warhead?  Just shoot a solid concrete
slug at high velocity.

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From: malecki@dvs.com (Dave Malecki)
Subject: Re: Einstein and Warp Speed
Organization: Digital Video Systems
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:46:25 GMT

Chris Croughton (chris@keris.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: William, you're not the only one!  People have been trying to convince
: me of this for *months*, and I still don't get it.
: 
: One poster on this thread, though, did say that "in some frame of
: reference, it will appear that you're going backwards in time".  Now
: *that* is what you've said, and I can agree with it.

Count me in too!  The fact that the fastest messenger in the universe can't
go faster than c doesn't imply that things actually are the way they look.

I just used the star A and star B model to explain this to a friend a few
days ago.  Imagine that!  He agrees with me too.  The key to my point of
view is that what you see isn't what is happening now, but rather what
happened d/c seconds ago, where d is the distance from you to the viewed
object in metres, and c is the speed of light in metres/sec.  In
a sense, we are always looking into the past, albeit ever so slightly.


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From: jjaslow@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason (Jazzie) Jaslow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Shield transport
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:13:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec16.031334.5284@u.washington.edu> mcclaine@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
>In article <724275096.AA04404@urchin.fidonet.org> Robert.Gergely@f300.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Gergely) writes:
>>*** Quoting S114510 to All dated 01-00-80 ***
>>> >>Also, when the Genolan blocked the doors with the shields, how did 
>>> the
>>> Enterprise beam Scotty and Jordie through them?
>>> 
>>> ---
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>>(1:106/1024.0)
>>
>>You know I was wondering about that myself.. It shouldn't be possible to
>>beam 
>>with the shields up.. I bet the reason they did that is the writers
>>couldn't 
>>think of another way to get Geordie and Scotty out, so they bent the
>>rules a 
>>bit...

How about this for a possibility.  The Genoan was a pretty old ship,
from around the time of STV or VI I'd gather.  Maybe transporter
technology has advanced enough to be able to beam out of these old
shields, but not newer, stronger shields.  

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From: bm560@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Salyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:15:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   For those of you who may not have seen this one....


   Picard and company used ropes because sometimes the simple
solutions are better than the high-tech ones.  A hundred meters or
so of the type of rope they would be able to make in the 24th 
century would weight *much* less than any set of anti-grav boots
and be a whole lot less likely to break down...=)

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From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:44:16 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
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DragonClaw (kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
:   Hi. I just watched the new episode. I was wondering why Picard, Worf and
:  Crusher were climbing down the cliff using ropes. I am sure they have 
:  some equipment like anti-grav belts or simple mechanical gadgets to aid
:  the climbers in the 24th century. Any ideas why they used conventionel
:  methods?

Good day.

My guess is that they used ropes because the writers/producers thought it would
impress us more if they repeled and climbed a 500 metre cliff than if they used
some ultra-slick jet pack or winch.

What bothered me more than that was when the bats scared Worf. That sucked.
did anyone see that episode when they showed his childhood pet? That thing
could eat bats and shit out canaries. I refuse to believe that Worf (being
the Klingon super-stud that he is) would be afraid of a bat.

Phil "Bev Crusher can stroke my ears anyday" Martin.
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporting Question ( Again )
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:24:07 GMT
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In article <1992Dec18.150413.17631@ra.msstate.edu> paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
>transport to get Odon to sick bay.  Odon says he can't be transported
>because that will kill him.
>
>Now how can this be true if the transporter beam breaks one down
>at the quantum level?

I don't think this is purely a transporter theory question.  I think it
is simply a matter of the biofilter reading the Trill as a parasite and
simply eliminating his pattern.


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From: petitc@nuge102.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Transporting Question ( Again )
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:10:26 GMT

paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:

>Maybe this has already been covered in the myriad of transporting
>questions on this net ( sorry but no one can read *all* the posts 
>on this subject and still have a life :), but in "The Host" a 
>question about transporting arises.  In it Bev falls for a diplomat
>( Odon ) who is a Trill.  The Trill are a joint species and Odon 
>is really a parasite living in a host body.  This is unknown to 
>Bev, though, for the first part of the show.  All she knows is that
>he is uncomfortable with being transported.  The host body ends up
>getting damaged on a shuttle and Riker wants to do an emergency 
>transport to get Odon to sick bay.  Odon says he can't be trnasported
>because that will kill him.

>Now how can this be true if the transporter beam breaks one down
>at the quantum level?  Why wouldn't the parasite/Diplomat be broken
>down in the same way, transported through the matter stream, and be 
>reconstituted at the other end?

 Well, remember the transporter 'biofilters'  They would register the
parasite as being just that, and try to remove it...

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From: ltran@iastate.edu (Lang Tran)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.004911.211@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>In article <_-n2p9n@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth04.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>>John_Bafford%Laughing_Dragon@uu0570.foggybottom.com writes:
>>>How can someone get hurt within the holodecks? I thought it was all holograms
>>>and stuff.
>>--remember the
>>part in the TNG episode where the crew loses its memory where a girl got a
>>sprained ankle from doing some cloud diving?
>
>
>Yes, and there was another one where O'Brien sprained his shoulder
>kayaking on the holodeck ...
>


I also seem to remember an episode where Wharf was a sheriff and was
shot in the arm buy an image of an the "outlaw" data.
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Grav/ Antigrav 
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In article <1701@seqp4.sequoia.com> ajm@seqp4.sequoia.com writes:

>These things were possible for the TNG era.  Poor Captain Pike sort of got
>dumped into a box with wheels on it and a couple of blinking lights.  The
>least they could have done was give him a setup like Stephen Hawking's.

I recently watched Menagerie (TOS) again.  I couldn't understand why
Capt. Pike could only answer yes or no - surely he could have used a
ouija board system (i.e. go round until you get to the letter), even if
that was slow.  If he could control enough for "one flash for no, two
for yes" then he could have done more selection.  It *was* stated that
his brain wasn't affected...

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From: cosc1871@jane.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: More warp/s'date babble...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:21 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <92Dec15.172806.18084@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes...
>In article <1992Dec14.133243.24967@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>>watching the TV series!
[SNIP ]
[SNIP, something about the galaxy, warp and the meaning of life.]

> 
>Very true. The Galaxy is _supposed_ to be big. Roddenberry wanted
>Sternbach and Okuda to recalibrate the Warp scale so it couldn't
>just be crossed in a matter of months at high Warp.
> 

As a matter of interest:  The galaxy couldn't be crossed because according
to the Tech Manual (I don't care which one now :^)  the poor ship would
run out of fuel first.  Now, the Enterprises Kirk & co crewed had those
neat conformal fuel tanks... Didn't ya notice them? :)

Happy Holly-daze...


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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:22:00 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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The simple answer is:

Subscribe the Borg to all the rec.startrek.* groups, and watch them be
powerspammed by the resulting flood of information. :)

CJW

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From: John_Bafford%Laughing_Dragon@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:43:40 EST
Subject: Holodecks

How can someone get hurt within the holodecks? I thought it was all holograms
and stuff.
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: whimpy photon torps
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:16:20 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Dec12.231650.21992@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:
>Jay Windley (jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I believe someone computed the yield of a TNG torpedo as 64 megatons,
>: which is absolutely huge.  However, this is a theoretical yield based
>: solely on the amounts of reactants.
>
>On the contrary, that would be a really small yield for a photorp.  1kg
>anti-matter + 1kg matter == 43 MT explosion.  And those torps look like
>they can hold considerably more than 2kg.

The Technical Manual specifies 1.5 kg each of matter and antimatter
reactant in the warhead.  The remainder of the torpedo casing is taken
up by guidance, propulsion, and on-board logic systems.

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From: genius@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Scale 1/1 1701A-impossible dream?: -)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:29:23 PST
Organization: TradeNET International Trade Corp.

I liked the idea of having a space dock outside from which you are 
"transported" to the ship.  Perhaps if you had only the top of the saucer 
section showing above ground?  Naw.  You could have the "space dock" be a 
2 level thing or something with a showy structure above the functional 
part and your "transporter" is simply an elevator down to the transporter 
room of the ship.

                                                        Michael Cooper
From: andrew.nipperess@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: orientation
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 08 Dec 92 21:56:06 GMT

Original to: Drew@Tcom.Stc.Co.Uk
-On the day of 11-16-00  13:51, Scooby Doo spoke unto All, and he did
sayeth-
 
 Dr> I'm sure that in a number of episodes, the Captain (eg. Kirk)
 Dr> has said something along the lines of 'change course to one four three
 Dr> mark two' 
 Dr> Assuming that 143 is akin to a heading and that 'mark 2' might have
 Dr> something to do with the attitude of the ship this implies they may 
 Dr> have somekind of 'map'
 Dr> or atleast someway of orientating themselves. Though perhaps this
 Dr> could be a relative figure, changing course 143 degrees from the
 Dr> current course.... 

 From memory, in the TNG Tech Manual, navigation uses spherical coordinates.
 For example- set course 165 mark 60 would mean change course to 165 degrees
 from going forward, then point 60 degrees up. 

 However, going down would need the coordinates --- mark -60 (wouldn't it?) 
 but I've never noticed a negative mark value mentioned.

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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Transporting Question ( Again )
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:04:13 GMT

Maybe this has already been covered in the myriad of transporting
questions on this net ( sorry but no one can read *all* the posts 
on this subject and still have a life :), but in "The Host" a 
question about transporting arises.  In it Bev falls for a diplomat
( Odon ) who is a Trill.  The Trill are a joint species and Odon 
is really a parasite living in a host body.  This is unknown to 
Bev, though, for the first part of the show.  All she knows is that
he is uncomfortable with being transported.  The host body ends up
getting damaged on a shuttle and Riker wants to do an emergency 
transport to get Odon to sick bay.  Odon says he can't be trnasported
because that will kill him.

Now how can this be true if the transporter beam breaks one down
at the quantum level?  Why wouldn't the parasite/Diplomat be broken
down in the same way, transported through the matter stream, and be 
reconstituted at the other end?


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From: 910773f@ace.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE)
Subject: Re: Question about Tricorders
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.012620.22267@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>Hello.  Tricorders are among my favorite little "toys" on Star Trek:
>the Next Generation, and I was wondering a few things about them.


I can't answer all your questions, but I'll do what I can...


>
>1) What is the etymology of the word "tricorder"?  Were the first 
>   tricorders specifically set up to record three things, for example?
>
>2) How is the word properly pronounced, TRI-corder or tri-CORD-er?


Easy.  TRI-corder.


>
>3) Do any of the books have a "tricorder designs throughout history"
>   section, detailing designs of tricorders since their invention up
>   through the present?
>
>4) Have tricorders been used in any of the movies?


Most definitely.

>
>5) Are there any plans to change the design of the tricorders cur-
>   rently used on Star Trek: The Next Generation?

I seriously doubt it.

>
>6) Where did the idea for the tricorders come from--who thought it
>   up, and what inspired him?
>

Probably Gene, tho I may be wrong.

>
>I'm interested in anything to do with tricorders, really, and think
>that whoever makes those Star Trek action figures really should make
>a line of phasers and tricorders that would light up and make noises
>when various buttons are pressed.  I know I'd buy several of them.  :)


They already exist, you just have to find them...

>
>Thanks...

You're welcome, I think.

>Chris Meadows // CHM173S@SMSVMA // CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
>   "If blood be the price of admiralty, then I've just bought me 
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>



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From: petitc@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:37:06 GMT

cosc1871@elroy.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:

>They could have used Spock's flight boots (ST V.  Personally, I think
>they weren't used because someone forgot.  It couldn't have been of stealth
>reasons because that blasted tricorder gave off light/sound and other
>forms of energy.  They didn't better announce their presence when they 
>fired their phaser at setting '16'.  A poor commando team at best.

 Hahaha!  Is THAT a commando team?  If that's the way 'commandos' work in the
future, it's no wonder people are saying that Starfleet's dying.




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