From: arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Race Relations Survey
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:36:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: Race Relations Survey

In article <1992Apr02.184038.16099@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>Vance, that was a key statement.  Many of the people who oppose
>AA do it precisely becuase it 'is NOT helping' but
>'The way some peope talk ...'.
>
>In other words, the policy is ineffective at helping, but
>imposes real disadvantages on those it means to help.  This
>includes resentment, racial polarization, and the
>disparagement of accomplishments under the AA shadow.
>

DJ (Dowdy Jackson):
This is 100% WRONG !!!!

***** Actually you're both right, to a degree. But I don't think that AA is a
panacea for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, or anyone else. AA won't 
turn an unskilled worker into a computer programmer, doctor or business execu-
tive. AA isn't helping the majority of inner city residents. I'd say that (non-
Hispanic) White women are the #1 beneficiaries. Personally I think what we 
need is a "Marshall Plan' for the ghetto.
*****

DJ:
Before AA their was resentment, racial polarization 
and disparagement of accomplishments.

***** Es verdad (it's true)

DJ:
 Whites NEED to think that they
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
are superior to AfAms because at every time when the playing field has been
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
made level AfAms have excelled. 

***** Wait a minute...can you prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt? How do you
know what every White person thinks? What's next? Jews are greedy, Hispanics 
don't use birth control,...
*****

DJ:
Too bad that the level playing field
was athletics. I know of MANY AfAms who didn't have the test scores like
the white students but excelled in the classroom just like the so-called
"qualified" white students. 

***** Test scores are overrated, IMHO. Some people are better test-takers than
others but are not necessarily smarter or better students. But our society 
likes to quantify everything. Or at least try to...Still, supposedly SAT scores
+ hgih school grades are a good indicator of one's college grades, so you can't
reallt blame the colleges for looking at that stuff (in addition to other
stuff).
***** 

DJ:
From my own experience, the assumption of whites
is that the AfAm isn't qualified to be at their school. Regardless of
test scores, etc. This has NOTHING to to with AA.

***** I disagree. There is a stigma attached to being admitted to college or 
getiing a job/promotion under AA. The abilities of such an individual are going
to be questioned, like it or not. AA is still needed, IMHO, but it shouldn't 
degenerate into quotas, which inevitably lead to tokenism. AA should only mean
aggressively recruiting, hiring and promoting qualified minorities and women.
Perhaps it should be expanded to include poor Whites as well...
*****

Peace.















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