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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: getting a perspective
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:17:04 GMT

In article <6850@npri6.npri.com>, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
wrote:
> 
> >>this year's batch of hurricanes turned out to be pretty mediocre.
> >>
> >>me
> 
>  >I wouldn't call 11-1 and #3 in the nation pretty mediocre...
>  >
>  >dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Dan Brown)
> 
> by your own standards it is.  arizona syracuse florida-state.

Don't forget Pepsi State...with some (not many) breaks going
the other way, the Mighty Canes could have come up with a 7-2-2
record. C'est la vie.

James
From: horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama National Champs!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:18:33 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>Even though Alabama played great defense, IMHO, the main reason for those
>interceptions was Torretta.  It was a combination of good defense and bad
>offense.
>-- 
I agree, and this game just shows the Gino is not the quarterback that the 
press thought he was.  Against good defenses he does not play well.  One 
of the things the Gino-lovers said was that he rarely through interceptions
from the 3 1st half ints. against Florida and the Sugar bowl performance 	I'd say he throws quit a few if you put a little pressure on him.  Imagine
what he will do in the pro's (if anyone takes him) with Derrick Thomas
in his face.


--

Mark Horan --
horan@cse.unl.edu      
ianr053@unlvm
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: FYI: Parade's All-America Team
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:47:23 GMT

In article <aggie-090193180018@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>
aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
> Imagine you walking into Dreamland, and them telling you "we're closing,
> one of those Bama boys just cleaned us out, and we won't get any more 
> ribs, beans, potatoes, flour or tea till next week."!

Beans? Potatoes?  Dreamland doesn't need these things.  Dreamland serves
ribs, and only ribs.  The Dreamland menu is very simple:

  1. slab of ribs
  2. half slab of ribs
  3. big end (the larger half)
  4. rib sandwich (4 ribs WITH the bone + 2 slices of bread)

If you want great potato salad or baked beans, go somewhere else.  They
do serve bread (for soppin' up that great sauce, naturally) but it is
just plain bread.  The also serve beer, soft drinks, and iced tea.

Still, the prospect of running out of ribs is frightening.  It takes
time to barbeque ribs and its possible that a few hefty Tide players
could eat ribs faster than Dreamland could cook them.  The obvious
solution is to build a second barbeque pit.  Until then, this is a
price we'll gladly pay to be #1 in football.

-- 
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Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Where are the PSU fans now?
Summary: Right here, baby
Organization: Steeler Stampede
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:49:44 GMT

In article <93005.070607KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  As I have said all season PSU was overrated from the beginning.  The PSU fans
>didn't see the signs when they failed to beat any ranked teams (actually the
>didn't beat a team that ended up with a winning record), and they didn't see
>the signs after the miserable Boston College game, but they sure as hell have
>to be blind to see it now.  the combined record of teams that PSU beat is
>23-53 (that is 3 wins a team) which is not much to hang a hat on. (yes I am
>woofing right now).  Yes, they played well against Miami and Notre Dame, but
>one was at home and the other was an unusually cold and wet day in South Bend.

Well, I didn't see the signs because I didn't watch the BC and BYU
games, but I could smell them...

The Lions did indeed play great games against Miami and ND, coming up 6
points shy of two wins over top 10 teams and a 9-3 record.

>   The game has passed JoePa by.  They didn't even put up a fight against the
>CArdinal in the Blockbuster Bowl. PSU has the talent (richie anderson and oj
>mcduffie will be good on the next level and their defense is adaquate) but
>JoePa is stuck in some time warp.  Get him out of there before he ruins the
>reputation of the football program (ok, so I went a little over board here).

I also thought that Joe -- or whoever -- did a poor job running the
offense.  They started out all right, getting the ball to O.J. (who even
dropped one), but the running game was stuck and they couldn't get it
unstuck.  And what happened to that fab tight end they've got?

The defense looked good to me, till the offense went 3-and-out
repeatedly.  They started breaking down, giving up a big play every
possession.  When they got beat by the screen pass on a corner blitz, I
knew it was all over.

>   Actually I expect PSU to do a little better in the Big Ten+1 because of the
>relative weakness of the conference as compared to playing the Miami's and the
>Syracuse's of the world.  Speed is the game in the Big East, SEC and the ACC,
>where it is just a concept in the Big Ten+1.  PSU will be in the Rose Bowl
>inside of two years, but who cares?  Scrap the Rose Bowl concept, let #1 and
>#2 play each season, and the fans will be happy!

I'm confident the Lions can compete for the title in the Big 10+1 next
year and get a Rose Bowl bid soon, but I'm not so sure the conference
will look so much slower than the Big East forever.  Washington began
the trend toward speedy players in the Pac 10, but they couldn't outrun
Michigan this year.
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:43:56 GMT

anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:

>Some *civilized* thoughts from a Bama fan on:

>|> A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
>|> Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
>|> advantage when they play in the Sugar.

>I think there is a difference. The Orange bowl is in Miami. There's no SEC team
>even located in New Orleans. True, the SEC champ does go to the Sugar Bowl, but
>that's no real home field advantage, IMO.

    Well I believe 60000+ fans gave a 'home field' advantage. IMHO.

>|> Why don't Alabama fans give some credit to the coach that recruited most
>|> of the players responsible for their unbeaten season?  With all their
>|> accusations of Miami being classless, their treatment of Curry doesn't
>|> seem too classy to me.  

>Amen to that! I had the unusual opportunity of going to Georgia Tech when Curry
>coached there, and transfering to Alabama only to see Curry coach there, too. I
>thought Curry was an excellent coach, once he had a strong program like Bama's
>behind him. I think Curry got shafted by the Alabama powers that be. His record>was damn good.
>the only fault IMO he had with Bama fans, and these are BIG faults at UofA,are:

>	A) He wasn't an Alabama Alumnus
>	B) He couldn't beat Auburn -- MAJOR Fault!

And     C) He wasn't a bear clone.

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From: wcarroll@encore.com (William Carroll)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:46:40 GMT

dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>Alabama won, I have to admit.  But, I tell you what --
>I would take Miami in a second in there were to be a rematch.  I STILL think
>Miami is the better team (although if I were an AP poll voter, I would be
>reluctantly obliged to vote Miami #1).  

Of course, the blowhards will jump all over the FSU fans when they make this
same statement. And Miami has twice needed FSU to miss a FG to win those
games. Anyone see any irony here?


William R. Carroll (Encore Computer, Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com

"We trained hard,  but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form
up into teams, we would be reorganized.  I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;  and a wonderful method
it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion,
inefficiency, and demoralization."	-Petronius Arbiter, 210 BC
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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:22:03 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) wrote:
>}
>}A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
>}Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
>}advantage when they play in the Sugar.  
>
>No one seems to care because it's not true.  It would only be the
>same advantage if Alabama played the Sugar Bowl in Bryant-Denny
>Stadium or Legion Field in Birmingham.  And plenty of people 
>certainly do care that Alabama gets to play the SEC championship
>in their home stadium.  Alabama has played in the Superdome about
>as often in the last ten years as Miami has (3 times apiece, I think.)
>
>The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
>certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
>Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.

I was at both this year's Sugar Bowl and last year's Orange Bowl and the
Sugar Bowl was definitively louder than the Orange was last year.  

And other that the crowd, what other home field advantage does the Orange
Bowl gives the Hurricanes?

>
>}                                        At least Miami doesn't play in
>}the Orange every year.
>
>What??!?!?  Miami plays 6 or 7 games in the Orange Bowl every year.
>

I meant that Miami doesn't play in the Orange Bowl Classic every year,
as the SEC does in the Sugar Bowl.

My point is that the SEC as a whole (not just Alabama) receives as much
of an advantage when playing in the Sugar Bowl as Miami does when playing
in the OBC.  

-- 

Tony L. Fernandez

Racal-Datacom, Network Management         Phone: (305) 846-6553
1601 N. Harrison Parkway                  INET : tonyf@sun1.interlan.com
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:32:09 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <79145@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

| tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) wrote:
| }
| }A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
| }Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
| }advantage when they play in the Sugar.  
| 
| No one seems to care because it's not true.  It would only be the
| same advantage if Alabama played the Sugar Bowl in Bryant-Denny
| Stadium or Legion Field in Birmingham.
 
Bull, Gene Stallings saids that Legion in Birmingham is neutral field.
In the SEC champingship, Gene said both teams had to stay in a hotel,
and Bama even had to dress in the visitors locker rooms.  Gene must be
a statistician just like you.

Bama had the 12Th man advantage. That was a home game for the SEC.  
That was SEC territory.   The Tenn.  students above me, and below me were
Bama fans that night.  But, that's not the reason why Miami lost.  Bama was
the better team that day.  Miami didn't make the big play, and Bama did.

I hope they do move the NYD Orange Bowl up the street to JRS.  But, the
Big 8 champ will still not feel they are in a neutral field.  Neutral
is like the GA./FLA game at the Gator Bowl.  Both teams get half the 
tickets, and the site is in easy driving distance of both fans.

| 
| The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
| certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
| Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.

The New Orleans newspaper said of the 77,000 seats about 70,000 were
Bama fans.  That was a little high. I would say it was 60K Bama, but it
was a Alabama home game.   Pure and simple.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:57:27 GMT

In article <1ialnvINNfrs@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>The University of Alabama football team won the national championship.  They
>played great football and showed class throughout the game.  Unfortunately,
>there seems to be a conspiracy on this net.  >>Some<< posters are attempting to
>portray Alabama fans as being sore winners.  Some posts are getting ridiculous.
>

Not really.  Read on.

>I am one of the few who will admit that I was rooting for Miami.  However,
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                         Tell us why.

>along with everyone else, I praise Alabama for being a great team.  The
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm a Nebraska Cornhusker fan and also praise Alabama for knocking off
the blowhards from Florida (and I don't mean the Florida State team or 
Florida team either).

>football team earned everyone's respect.  Unfortunately, that respect is
>decreasing the more I read this newsgoup.

Why?  Miami fans have had an "In your face" attitude for several years.
Now they are receiving their just deserts.

As the late former-President Harry S. Truman said, "If you can't stand
the heat, keep out of the kitchen."

>Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!! (Egad, a Celtics fan)
>ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!! (Aw come on, they're fun but
                                             really! and I'm a Mets fan)

If you really think that Miami is that wonderful, go over the history
of college football; I think that the "Johnny-Come-Latelys" will be near
the bottom when it comes to records, both positive and negative.

Dave
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 08:49:13 -0500 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
	<1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
Distribution: na

>In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp
(harbison) wri
>tes:
>>	Rank   School              Record   Points
>>	------------------------------------------
>>	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
>>	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
> 
>How in Aunt Fannie's Corset can Nebraska be ranked lower than Colordo?
>Nebraska thoroughly beat Colorado in the regular season and both lost
>in bowl games.  In addition, there's the Buffs tie to Oklahoma.
> 
>First there was the perennial bias against the Huskers in the electronic
>media starting with ABC and Keith Jackson, now it's the voters.  I would
>have reversed the positions and possibly put the Huskers at #11.
> 
>Dave
> 
>-- 
>Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl

Unfortunatley, the way the polling system seems to work, it matters when
you lose, not necessarily who you beat.  NU lost to Iowa State after
killing us and that set up CU being ranked higher than NU before New
Years Day.  We both lost so there couldn't (or wouldn't) be any
switching of places.  Nebraska is most definately the better team this
year and it is unfortunate that they are ranked after us.  But does it
really matter anymore?  This season is over.  See ya next fall!

Susan Wagner
CU fan in Pittsburgh, PA
From: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:45:35 GMT
Reply-To: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Distribution: usa
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <DOEL.93Jan4091325@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>In article <1i5dnbINNln8@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
>
>> Alumni are upset that Smith has turned off a large number of
>> potential stars.  Washington has more players from California
>> than USC.  Know why?
>
>I don't know.  Maybe it's because nobody has been struck by stray bullets
>while on a recruiting trip to Washington.  Blame Larry Smith all you want,
>but being located in the heart of south central Los Angeles (i.e. where the
>riots originated) has to make it difficult to recruit people who didn't grow
>up in that atmosphere.
>

I don't know about that.  First of all the stray bullet hit a player on
the team during the regular season, not a recruit on a recruiting trip.
If you remember what the player said after the incident, it was something
to the effect of "it's been my life long dream to play at USC, and this
incident isn't going to make me leave." This was a player from Arizona.

Although location may have a little to do with whether a star prospect
decides to attend a particular university, I believe it has nowhere near
the impact that school history, tradition, football success, number of
nationally televised games, number of players in the NFL, Heisman trophy
winners, and coaching staff has.  Remember, these are football player's,
tough kids.  A good number of them grew up in area's very much like South
Central LA.

On a similar note, does the University of Chicago or Columbia have a hard
time attracting students.  I've visited Chicago and Columbia, and the area
they're located in is at least as bad (if not worse) than South Central.

Stan

BTW--
You make an interesting point on what outsider's (non southern
californian's) perceptions are about the city and the riots.  I won't get
into this now, but I will make the point that I think the media made the
situation here look worse that it is.  Remember, this is the University of
Spoiled rich Children.  I don't think Mummy and Daddy would send their
precious little muffy into a war zone.  Could be wrong?
From: rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Syracuse Recruiting
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:46:26 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

The bowl season is behind us and now the recruiting wars are here.  The
Orangemen's win in the Fiesta Bowl is expected to add some extra zing to the
recruiting effort.  I have the following list of recruits, taken from
various editions of the Syracuse Herald-American.  Apparently all have made
verbal commitments.  Could anyone confirm/deny this list, make additions, or
comment on the quality of the players?  From what I've heard it's shaping up
to be a good class.  

Jim Turner      WR  Jacksonville, Fla.
Jason Hall      OL  Norwalk, Conn.
Scott Mitchum   WR  Duxbury, Mass.
Chuck Beatie    OL  Newark, Del.
Brad Patkochis  OL  Annandale, PA
Anthony Fogle   QB  Houston, Tex.
Keith Downing   QB  Rochester, NY
Dulayne Morgan  LB  Elizabeth, NJ

Thanks for any forthcoming help.  Go Orange!
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Rating the Recruits: (was Re: Ohio St - recruiting)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:06:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.155024.5502@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
> 
> All this talk about great recruiting classes year after year by the Buckeyes
> makes me laugh. These ratings of recruiting classes are highly suspect. There
> is a huge difference between being a star in high school and making it in
> college. The Little 10 has had many schools (Iowa, Illinois, OSU, Mich. St)
> with highly rated recruiting classes year after year and yet the conference 
> is a shadow of what it once was - except for Michigan.
<stuff deleted>
> 
> I'm very skeptical of recruit ratings - until I see them play.

Yeah, and I'm skeptical of movie reviews until I see the flick.  Ditto
for sportscasters predictions on football games, or handicappers on the
horses, or referee calls before the video replay.  They're all opinions.
Darned if they aren't right more often than not.

Sounds to me like you're spoiled.  For Rutgers, I'll take my chances with
ONE nationally ranked top 10 recruiting class.  Please, please, please.
It wouldn't make me laugh.


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU and ND next year...
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:57:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan4.175804.6403@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:
>
>I've got an idea, lets have ND and FSU play next weekend, then the winner gets 
>alabama. That would be some great football :)
>
Well the teams will be different and it won't be next weekend, but ND and FSU
start an annual series next year, so that is something to which one can look
forward--bound to be even more fun and good football than the ND/Miami series.

One word on the Heisman...while Gino does have some talent and will probably
do okay in the NFL with a reasonable team (although he won't be the first QB
picked), there were probably 10-15 other QBs playing on a lot of different teams
this year who could have done at least as well if not better in the Miami
system.  It is the system, not the QB that works (although there have been some
excellent Miami QBs in the past). 
-- 
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