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From: protonen@daimi.aau.dk (Lars J|dal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP20.TOS
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:09:01 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>Well I have just uploaded stzip20.tos (126k) to the atari/new directory
>on A.A...
>This is a ST clone of PKZIP 2.0, has english doc's and
>a self extracting utility program..
>This program has a Gem shell for those like me, that like to use the Ataries
>GUI...
>NOTE: This is a self extracting program, so make sure that you have room
>on your disk before you run it, more that 410k..??

>Roger.............               sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Sounds good. I just have one question: Is this a "true" zip20 or
a hack of version 1.93a or ...
Sorry for being my suspicion, but following comp.compression I have heard
about several "fake" zip's version 2.0 (or slightly higher) for MS-DOS.

Lars
(protonen@daimi.aau.dk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:20:07 GMT

True, darek has supported the atari community in the past very well, but his
latest comments irk me.  His gemulator product may be a fine technological
acheivment but how many PC users want to emulate an ST?  I find his comments
on the Falcon totally non productive.  If you don't like the atari market
anymore, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft or Borland.  I happen to
think the Falcon is an exciting machine and I look forward to adding it to
my desktop.

darren king, gbc :: email : gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: curses.h for Turbo C 2.0
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:44:07 GMT

u882453@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Andrew King) writes:

>Does anyone know where I could get this module for Turbo C .. or any other
>C on the ST for that matter ?

I happened to need cursus too recently and I fixed some bugs
at the same time :). Especially the subwin() code needed some fixing.
But, maybe my version was not the most recent one.
Does anybody know the current state of affaires concerning curses?

And Andrew, of course I can send you my version if that's all
we can get.

Jan van der Steen
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: amos@prl.dec.com (Samos)
Subject: Snork demo, last session :
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:20:47 GMT

The Snork demo has been uploaded some minutes ago, here
we go :

The four files (snork 1a.msa, snork 1b.msa, so on with 2a and 2b) are in directory atari/new

There come all the softwares, until the managers test them and store them at their places.
(atari/demos)

So just download them and look at the demo !

Have fun,

Samos.
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FontGDOS WORKS!!!
Keywords: fontgdos printer drivers laserjet
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:58:04 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug26.160453.9574@pbhya.PacBell.COM> dbsuthe@pbhya.PacBell.COM
(Daniel B. Suthers) writes (WRT FontGDOS):
>Thank you, Atari, for releasing it as freeware. It makes my whole system much
>more usable.  Now how about a quick note concerning the policy that it ONLY
>be available from GEnie? (I can think of several good reasons, but I would
>like Atari's)

If it's freeware then it should be available anywhere. Anyone want to upload
it to BART (a.k.a Atari Archive). I'd rather get it now than in two years from
Atari UK.

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From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New operating systems (OS/2-TOS)
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:00:02 GMT
	<4278@wet.UUCP>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 28-Aug-92 Re: New operating
systems (.. Ed Krimen@wet.UUCP (849)
> Can someone explain what a heat sink does and how it works?  I get the 
> impression that it provides a larger surface area to the chip so that it
> can dissipate heat faster.  I think I've seen what they look like too;
> it looks kinda like a vent, with the tall ridges.  But how does it work?
> It only looks like it's clamped onto the chip.  And why is it that only,
> at least from what I've heard, 80486 and 68040 chips need these?

> -- 
>    |||    Ed Krimen
>    |||    ekrimen@wet.com
>   / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)


The power dissipation of a chip is proportional to his frequency and to
the number of tramsistors packed on it (approximately)
It also depends of the use of all those transistors: on a highly parallel
CPU (superscalar or just pipelined), transistors are likely to be all (or
almost) used at all times. So that on such new CPU, the consumption
is really high (can go above 1A).
An extreme example is a recent VAX CPU running at 100Mhz presented
by DEC and which is likely to be comparable (for power consumption)
to the alpha CPU (from the same company): It drinks about 6A on average! 
(and as consumption is not constant but is concentrated at each tic of the
clock, at each tic the intensity goes up two about 30-40A).

All this power has to be dissipated for the simple reason that silicium 
transistors' reliability limit is at about 150-200 C ! (and those
chips are not really big)

That's why !

	Stefan Monnier


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From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: What is NDVI?
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:33:39 GMT
	<410004@hpbbm.bbn.hp.com.>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 18-Aug-92 Re: What is NDVI?
#Michael Eyd) (560)

> / hpbbm.bbn.hp.com:comp.sys.atari.st / muts@fss.fokker.nl /  9:35 am 
> Aug 17, 1992 /
> Hello,

> I've been away for a while and now that I'm back I hear people
> talking about NDVI. It seems to be like Turbo ST, a screen 
> output accelerator. Could anyone enlighten me, also about
> speed compared to Turbo ST? Thanks in advance,
_____________________________________________________________

It is not really faster, BUT:

It is not just a screen accelerator: it is a entirely new VDI which
means that it is clean, fast, adds some new functionalities (like GDOS
or some functions from GEM 2.0) and is much more compatible (for
example, it is not screen dependent)

It is a VDI replacement as opposed to Turbo ST (or alikes) that are VDI
extensions !

	Stefan Monnier




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From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug27.105638.18903@lut.ac.uk> rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin) writes:
>
>And I am wondering whether FSMGDOS (or whatever it'll be called) is to be
>included in Falcon GEM. Without this, I am sure many will be disappointed.
>
>- Rahin

FSMGDOS is currently being rewritten to use different font formats.  I don't 
recall the specifics, but it *IS* being rewritten.  However, I don't think
it'll be available now until early '93.


Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dbsuthe@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Daniel B. Suthers)
Subject: FontGDOS WORKS!!!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:04:53 GMT
Keywords: fontgdos printer drivers laserjet

08/26/92

I almost missed an excellent addition to my ST due to a lot of flames.  That
addition is Font GDOS.  I had ignored it's existance because of numerous 
messages in this newgroup that said how terrible it is.

Last night I downloaded it from GEnie (on a lark) and found that it works GREAT
with ALL of my GDOS compatible programs.  I can't vouch for all of the printer
drivers, but the laserjet driver even worked with my old versions of GDOS.
It's the first one that does work with all of my programs without quirks.

There is a help file on GEnie that provides helpful hints.  It's not real long
and I suggest you read it.  It notes that there was (evidently) another version
uploaded at one time.  This (current) one is about 450K and includes quite a few
printer drivers, FontGDOS, configuration modules (Xcontrol and accesory 
versions) and documentation.

Now before we hear from those for whom it did not work, here's a setup that
does work:
    4 meg 1040 STe
    TOS 2.06
    HP Laserjet II (2.5 meg)
    Mega44 hard drive.
    Golden Image scanner
    Navarone clock.
    Warp9
    Xcontrol.acc
    AHDI5.0
And the programs that worked with it:
    Touch-up
    Timeworks Desktop Publisher
    STraight-FAX
    EZ-Draw
    Degas-Elite

I am using the standard Timeworks DTP bitmapped fonts, and they work fine.


Thank you, Atari, for releasing it as freeware. It makes my whole system much
more usable.  Now how about a quick note concerning the policy that it ONLY
be available from GEnie? (I can think of several good reasons, but I would
like Atari's)


Daniel B. Suthers,  CCP
Technology Consultant, PCS & IN Development Lab,        Pac*Bell
Voice: (510) 671-1325               UUCP:  dbsuthe@Pacbell.COM
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: roth@sitter.ips.id.ethz.ch (Martin Roth)
Subject: Q: 2nd Drive in Megafile 44
Summary: any infos?
Keywords: Megafile44 Syquest Atari
Organization: ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:21:27 GMT

Ataris Syquest drive, the Megafile 44, seems to be well prepared
to hold a second harddisk drive: it has a free 50 Pin connector
and sufficient power supply. The AHDI 5.0 even sees another ACSI
adress with "no reply".

Anyone build another harddrive into it? What drives can be used?
Does it need terminator resistances as at the first (Syquest)? Need
to set any jumpers? Any info appreciated.

If reply by e-mail (what I would prefer), don't use reply but 
send to roth@ips.id.ethz.ch (the from: field is wrong!!).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Re: FontGDOS WORKS!!!
Originator: marc@hemlock
Keywords: fontgdos printer drivers laserjet
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:42:58 CDT


In article <1992Aug26.160453.9574@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, dbsuthe@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Daniel B. Suthers) writes:
> 08/26/92
> 
> I almost missed an excellent addition to my ST due to a lot of flames.  That
> addition is Font GDOS.  I had ignored it's existance because of numerous 
> messages in this newgroup that said how terrible it is.
> 
> Last night I downloaded it from GEnie (on a lark) and found that it works GREAT
> with ALL of my GDOS compatible programs.  I can't vouch for all of the printer
> drivers, but the laserjet driver even worked with my old versions of GDOS.
> It's the first one that does work with all of my programs without quirks.
> 
> There is a help file on GEnie that provides helpful hints.  It's not real long
> and I suggest you read it.  It notes that there was (evidently) another version
> uploaded at one time.  This (current) one is about 450K and includes quite a few
> printer drivers, FontGDOS, configuration modules (Xcontrol and accesory 
> versions) and documentation.
> 
> Now before we hear from those for whom it did not work, here's a setup that
> does work:
>     4 meg 1040 STe
>     TOS 2.06
>     HP Laserjet II (2.5 meg)
>     Mega44 hard drive.
>     Golden Image scanner
>     Navarone clock.
>     Warp9
>     Xcontrol.acc
>     AHDI5.0
> And the programs that worked with it:
>     Touch-up
>     Timeworks Desktop Publisher
>     STraight-FAX
>     EZ-Draw
>     Degas-Elite
> 
> I am using the standard Timeworks DTP bitmapped fonts, and they work fine.
> 
> 
> Thank you, Atari, for releasing it as freeware. It makes my whole system much
> more usable.  Now how about a quick note concerning the policy that it ONLY
> be available from GEnie? (I can think of several good reasons, but I would
> like Atari's)
> 
> 
> Daniel B. Suthers,  CCP
> Technology Consultant, PCS & IN Development Lab,        Pac*Bell
> Voice: (510) 671-1325               UUCP:  dbsuthe@Pacbell.COM
> ================================================================================
> =  Commit unexpected kindnesses and senseless acts of beauty.                  =
> ================================================================================

Is it possible to make FontGDOS available on atari.archive for those of us
without GENie access (and *dying* to see a copy!)?

Cheers,

[M][a][r][c]
From: evilandi@VNET.IBM.COM ("Andrew Oakley")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: what DTP packages work in mono? Moniterm?
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:52:46 GMT


   You obviously have a pirate copy since it states quite clearly
in the manual that Timeworks DTP runs in mono.

   (The manual is quite correct, by the way; it runs perfectly,
provided you use the installation program provided).

   Andrew Oakley
   IBM Warwick, UK (I speak FROM IBM, not FOR IBM)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:11:49 GMT


In article IA0@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca, gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett) writes:
>In your post, you say that the latest Mac LC (the LCII) is better that the
>Falcon.  Where do you get this from?  The LCII is a 16 Mhz '030 : tie.  It will
>support 16-bit graphics but only up to a 13" monitor...for mor color/resolution
>you need a graphics card.  The Falcon's sound just kill the LCII.  The LCII is
>in direct comptetion with the Falcon, not the Classic II, plus the Falcon is
>cheaper.  The only thing that the LCII has is a superior O/S but TOS is
>getting better.
>

I thought the LC and LCII could only support _8_ bit color (256 simultaneous) on
Apple's 12 inch monitor and 16 colors on the 13" units.  To get 256 colors on a
13" you need to add more VRAM.  Isn't this right or did Apple improve video specs
on the LCII?  It _could_ be a nice machine if but for that 16 bit data path!!!

I think the Falcon should indeed be superior to the LCII (even disregarding the
Falcon's vastly superior sound capabilities) but then again, there is that huge
software base for the Mac made possible because Apple _advertises_!  And don't
forget about the more powerful but lower cost 68030 machines Apple has announced
for availability later this year; some with built-in CD-ROM too.
 
As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually do
intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, about
US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not released
pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely be
talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monitor.

So how many _really_ intend to buy one?

Cheers,

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Excuse my ignorance...
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:43:21 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 15014@athena.cs.uga.edu, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>
>The Southern California Computer Faire is Sept. 12-13 at the Glendale Civic
>Auditorium (in Glendale, CA of course).  General admission is $6 per person
>per day (or $10/person for both days).  For more info, contact:
>
>          John King Tarpinian
>          c/o H.A.C.K.S.
>          249 N. Brand Blvd., #321
>          Glendale, CA  91203
>          (818)246-7276
>          GEnie: JOHN.KING.T
>
>A showing of the Falcon030 at the Glendale show is expected, but not promised.

Tarpinian won't promise a Falcon will be present but _I_ can <grins>.  Several
developers intend to bring along their own Falcons even if Atari doesn't (but I
rather expect them to as well).

Glendale is the largest Atari show in the U.S. and this year's event is shaping
up to be a really good one with most every Atari developer planning to attend.
It's going to be fun so be there!  And stop by our booth and say "G'day", too!


___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon's DSP (again)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:29:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug31.134858.13698@hsr.no> leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll) writes:
>Will the DSP have access to the main memory???
>If not....terrible
>If yes....where can I buy this thing NOW!
>
>Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no

Yes, virtually everything has direct access to main memory, including the
DSP, BLiTTER, SCSI-II port, and more.

Steve
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DSP ? In one word, that is the Falcon..
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Supposedly, high speed FAX modems that use the DSP for around $100 are in 
the works.  There may also be an interface and software available for the 
Falcon which decodes Dolby Surround Sound.  Compression utilities which use
the DSP are also in the Falcon's immediate future.


Steve "Not Kris" Johnson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: morrison@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Morrison)
Subject: C compiler questions.
Keywords: compiler,link,sozobon,gcc
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:41:10 GMT

I have been playing around with some of the sample programs in "Atari ST: VDI"
trying to get into graphical programming.  I have compiled programs with 
Sozobon, GCC2.1, and also translated several of them into assembly.  I have no
trouble getting the programs to work in assembly, so I have a benchmark of 
what they are supposed to do when working correctly, but I would like to be able
to achieve the same results in C.

Sozobon does not appear to have any provisions for linking in the libraries,
so I have been using this technique:

> cc prog.c aesfast.a vdifast.a -o prog.prg -v

which does work, but seems a bit kludgey to me.  Any suggestions about what
I can do better/differently.  Also, some of the VDI bindings do not seem to 
work properly...for example,  vsm_height.  Is this a symptom of vdifast.a?
Admittedly, vsm_xxxx are not critical functions, but a full implementation
ought to include all existing functions.

GCC works somewhat better, but I am curious abouty the structure of the 
library files.  They have .olb extensions, what does this mean?  I notice 
that .a files (used with Sozobon) are not recognized by GCC.  Also, when I
link in the 'gem.olb' library, things work fine, but if I link in 'gem16.olb'
I get multiple bombs (three).  What is going on here?

I can write programs in assembly, but when I just want to get a feel for what
the various functions _do_, C is way more convenient.  One last question, 
does anyone know when the latest version of HSC is available, and what is
the last version?  (And would they recommend its use?)

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From: aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: X-Control Problem and Request
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:01:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) says:

>Quite a long while back, I pulled xcontrol.arc off of atari.archive.
>It piddled with it a bit, then tucked it away in an obscure part of my
>hard disk.  Recently I came back to it.  And I realized why I tucked
>it away.  For one reason or another, my modem.cpx bombs when I
>activate it.  And I seem to recall a discussion of this when xcontrol
>was first made available.

	I got my copy from atari.archive and I have no problems with it. 
Are you using Shadow, by any chance?  I think Shadow and the modem CPX are
not compatible for whatever reason.


-- 
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