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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel :US
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.155721.23434@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>In <1992Dec18.172834.2027@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> tim@normal.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) writes:
>>In article <ZiaZVB3w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> nate@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Nathan Brazil) writes:
>>>Hi all, do any of you own P.Gabriel's latest cd US ? Would you recomend 
>>>it?
>>>I enjoyed his SHAKING THE TREE, is his recent work similar ?
>>>Cheers,Nate.

>>Definitely his worst to date.  The sound quality is horridscary.
>>Muffled.  If you like PG _So_, then you might like this.  It does
>>have some very nice tracks, but overall it is a party that only
>>PG seems to understand.  Lotsa pretentious "world" sounds thrown
>>in for political correctness (not merging well with the material),
>>lotsa Phil Collins ("I'm _sensitive_") lyrics, and a couple of 
>>dog tracks allowed me to listen to this only about fifteen times
>>before I sealed it.
>
>I don't know what album Tim was listening to.  This was worlds better
>than _So_, in my opinion.  I haven't listened to it enough (had a
>a borrowed copy briefly) to judge the sound quality, but I haven't
>heard any "world" sounds in any of it that I recall.  I kept listening
>for the comparisons that reviewers had been making to _Passion_ and
>just couldn't find any.
>
>It sounded dark and brooding to me and more similar to his earlier stuff
>than either _So_ or _Passion_.
>-- 
>Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu

	Must agree with Pete, it is one of the best albums I have ever heard.
Period.  This album has all the grace of Enya and sheer power of Metallica.  
The "world music" is beautifully drawn into the realm of Rock and Roll, 
the integration is seamless.  The lyrics are extremely personal, and the 
listener is drawn into PG's personal experience, but comes out of it thinking
about his/her own.  That is the reason why this album is great, it is an almost
cerebral link with the artist.  Enough analytical/artistic bullshit, this album
kicks ass...  


-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted at cka52397@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu  Go Illini Holiday Bowl 1992
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From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Sony Equipment (was Re: CD walkmans)
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:15:16 GMT
Organization: Amoco


>In article <justin.724554845@mik.uky.edu>, justin@nx30.mik.uky.edu
>(justin sullivan) writes:
>|> Have we been buying cheap stuff and complaining when it breaks? 
>|> I don't know why everyone but me has problems with Sony, but I've
>|> noticed that most complaints with Sony electronics are with CHEAP 
>|> Sony electronics.

dft00@tomcatcd.amdahl.com (Doug F Tiedt) writes:
>Well Justin make that two of us.  Every piece of Sony equipment I own
>is still working, including a 10+ year old boombox.  In fact my big screen
>TV took a flying leap off the TV stand in the earthquake 3 years ago... the
>case is cracked, and there's a bit of phosphour damage in the corner where
>it landed, but otherwise, its still in use almost daily :^)
>My D-5 is still playing, and I bought it in 1985 for ~$250.

My dad's (1990) 27" SONY TV had the blue gun fail at 15 months 
(I don't believe this TV was cheap).  My D-5 quit working after 
approx. 2 years (an inexplicable failure) and SONY's estimate
was $150 before they even looked at it.  Maybe some just have 
better luck with their Sony products than others.
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From: georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng)
Subject: Re: Duff CD's
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:35:12 GMT

In article <1gaoiqINN2qn@athena.sdsu.edu> dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) writes:
>georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng) writes:
>> I noticed that most imports from Germany and Japan are fairly well made,
>> whereas stuff from Columbia and other US/Canada companies have pinholes and
>An indication of the poorer quality control of US made CDs.  Is this one
>factor in why US CDs are so cheap compared to the rest of the world? 

Someone mentioned that in the UK, many CD singles are cheaper there than
in north america, whereas the reverse is generally true for full-length CDs.
Maybe CD singles are made better here?  :-)  Go figure.

>> What the techie told me was that sound quality remains the same - it's all
>> digital.  The problems is that it might skip at points where there are
>> significantly large pinholes, or thin aluminum/other metal coating.
>
>Pinholes may not affect the sound quality but I hope you are not implying 
>that CDs of the same album sound the same in all countries because nothing
>could be further from the truth. It depends on the mastering and the master
>from which the CD master is made.  These are different in different countries,
>especially for analogue recordings.  

Sorry, I didn't mean that.  I was trying to compare CDs made from one
machine of one manufacturer.

I do realize that there are many CDs that are made in their respective
countries, thus alleviating the need for interested buyers to import them
from elsewhere.  Although I do admit, I didn't realize that there were a lot
many companies who would resort to using shoddy masters, when better ones
might be available from other places.
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From: sek@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Subject: Re: Box Set Mania
Keywords: box set, floyd, john
Reply-To: sek@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:12:16 GMT

In article <BzDJJ9.82z@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Buy:    Hits I & Hits II on Polydor; MCA's new Hits 1976-85; the mini-box
|> "Rare Masters", "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road", and "Elton John".  This is
|> a close approximation of the contents of the album, although MCA should
|> release a "Rare Masters '76-'93" collection to round things out.
|> 

Question, is there anything on the new "Rare Masters" collection that is not
on the "To Be Continued..." box set?  If you already own "To Be Continued..."
is there any reason to buy "Rare Masters"?

-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

sek@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: NO Face
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:24:22 GMT

In article <18334@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi) writes:
>
>I'd like to get a gag album by a group by
>this name.  I know they sing a song called
>"Suck My Dick."   Does anyone where this album
>can be purchased?  
 
The only thing I can tell you is to look around, considering the album is kind
of old...But then again, it didnt sell too well, at least not as well as the
group they produced, BWP...Theyre on No Face records, which I *think* is with
Rush Management/Columbia ...I *think*...


>
>Also, another group I'd like
>to get is Roxanne's version of "Play that Funky
>Music White Boy."   It's not Roxette I'm sure
>but Roxanne.

Never heard this one before, at least not from 'Roxanne' as in, The Real 
Roxanne...I have both of her tapes...The only other Roxanne I can think of is
Roxanne Shante, and I dont know too much about her stuff, her voice is too
annoying for me...In either case, Ive never heard the song done by either of
them...

                                                             RJ>
>
>
>thanx in advance.  ponamgi@cs.unc.edu


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From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Subject: Sony's MD portable player/recorder
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:50:12 GMT

	Wow!  The MiniDisc player being advertised of late looks very good.
I wish CDs had song titles encoded on the disc like the MD does.  Trouble is,
this portable MD player has a list of $750 U.S. dollars.  If that doesn't
kill the format, nothing will.

-- 
 I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman                          .sig copyright   
 I \ I_I _> I I   Internet: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu   1992, T. Stedman 
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From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject:  ftp site for CD track info.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:32:55 GMT

Is there a ftp site where I can get information on the tracks of a
specific CD album? Thanks in advance.

H.Y.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake)
Subject: Fatima Mansions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:07:39 GMT

It seems as though a lot of us in the US have been duped by radioactive records
The released Valhalla Ave over there, but not over here.  Then when I went to
look for an address to write to the FM I found that there wasn't one on any of
the CDs I have (I dont have the Blues fC single)  An attempt to find Radio's
address proved just as fruitless...
Does anyone out there have an address for either of these?  I'd like to give
Radioactive a piece of my mind, Did they decide that VA wouldn't bring in      
enough money to warrant its US release, they still could let it be advaliable
as an import!!!  Or maybe we could order directly from the FM. 
Addresses anyone???

-Danl

From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:29:09 GMT
Subject: _Straight Up_ by Badfinger
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd

Does anyone know if Badfinger's album _Straight Up_ is available on CD yet?

Thanx.

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
CompuServe: 71552,1341
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Noteworthy
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:54:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: Noteworthy, Genie, CompuServe
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec11.215735.1648@newstand.syr.edu> evan@top.cis.syr.edu (Evan Cheng) writes:

>Is Noteworthy on line? If so, which network? How do I access it?

It's accessible via GEnie; CompuServe has some other thing you want to
avoid.  GEnie has a 1-800 customer service line; if you call 1-800-555-1212
to get their number, you ought to be able to get a local number to call.
Noteworthy is listed under their shopping services submenu.

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"Sometimes it feels like the sun just comes up out of habit,
 And goes down as quick as it can,
 These days, you just have to grab it as it goes by."
From: plong@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Elvis: The Return of the Rocker
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:02:21 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I'm looking for the Elvis' compilation "The Return of the Rocker", which 
covers some of his stuff during the early 60's.  I've seen it in stores
before, but it seems to be unavailable now (at least at the dozen places
that I've tried).  Does anybody out there either know where a copy is/
might be available, or (even better) have a copy available for sale?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Toothpaste?!
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:38:53 GMT

In article <8499@public.BTR.COM>, grady@public.BTR.COM ( ) writes:
>Don't use toothpaste to takew out CD scratches;
>silver polish is the ticket.  Works great.
>-- 
>Grady Ward  grady@btr.com  Moby Lexicons (707) 826-7715

You might want to be careful using metal polishes on CDs.  I don't think these 
are simple abrasive polishers, but contain other chemical agents which might
not be as nice to polycarbonate (in the long-run) as as they are to silver. :)

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: CD walkmans
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:51:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <MCGRANT.92Dec18010330@rascals.stanford.edu> mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant) writes:
>I have my Sony D-555 and it's sucked for just about as long as I can 
>remember. Thank goodness I got such an awesome deal on it (no, it wasn't
>a return or a demo or anything). Actually, the sound is pretty good, 
>especially since it has a graphic equalizer on it, but it can't stay
>on track on the slightest of bumps.  


My Sony D-33 is on my desk next to my workstation.  I can make it skip
by hitting the return key a little too hard, or when I hit "ctl-X ctl-S"
in Emacs with a little too much enthusiasm.


-- 
Ray Shea                                      
UniSQL, Inc.                             Sometimes I feel like a blue dog.
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                                     -- The Blue Dog
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel :US
From: tim@normal.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:28:33 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

In article <ZiaZVB3w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> nate@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Nathan Brazil) writes:
>Hi all, do any of you own P.Gabriel's latest cd US ? Would you recomend 
>it?
>I enjoyed his SHAKING THE TREE, is his recent work similar ?
>Cheers,Nate.

Definitely his worst to date.  The sound quality is horridscary.
Muffled.  If you like PG _So_, then you might like this.  It does
have some very nice tracks, but overall it is a party that only
PG seems to understand.  Lotsa pretentious "world" sounds thrown
in for political correctness (not merging well with the material),
lotsa Phil Collins ("I'm _sensitive_") lyrics, and a couple of 
dog tracks allowed me to listen to this only about fifteen times
before I sealed it.

I know I will get flamed for this; lemme know if you think I should
listen more.

Happy Holidays to All!

 Timothy Law Snyder
 Department of Computer Science
 Reiss 225
 Georgetown University
 Washington, DC 20057

tim@normal.georgetown.edu
(202) 687-6208

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Roy Jezmajian)
Subject: BMG free CDs postcard
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:51:18 GMT

A few days ago I received a postcard from BMG saying that my recent
purchase at regular club price entitles me to three free CDs.  At the
bottom it says "return for processing".  My question is this:  For best
results, should I mail it to the return address on the postcard or to
the same address I send regular order forms?  (The addresses are a
little different.)


Thanks,

Roy


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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa recommendations?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:49:02 GMT

My own Zappa favorites are _You are what you Is_, _Shiekh Yerbhouti_,
and _Joe's Garage_.  I'm quite upset that I can't find J.G. act 1 on CD
without the crap of the other two acts.  I bought the _Apostrophe_ two-fer
and was less than amused by the other album.  Your mileage may vary.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                  Daschunds are just small alligators with fur
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt)
Subject: Re: Duff CD's
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:24:31 GMT

>Older generation CD players had not so efficient error correction and would
>sometimes skip or click when faced with lost data.  Todays players
>(especially the bitstream variety) are a lot more powerful and can handle
>pitholes as big as 2mm in diameter.

Well... the type of DAC used (Bitstream, MASH, or 16-/-18/24-bit) has
no direct impact on the player's tracking ability or error-correction
performance.  By the time the DAC receives the bits, all of the error
correction has already taken place (or has failed, and the offending
frame has been either interpolated to conceal the error or has been
muted).  A player with a great DAC could have lousy error-correction,
and vice versa.

I agree, though, that good players these days do a very good job of
correcting the errors on most discs.

>Now this is really exciting!  Don't peel off any more of that "paint".  You
>would probably be best off returning that CD as faulty.  It is not possible
>for the aluminum-vapor surface to be "fixed with paint rather than being
>sandwiched between two layers of plastic".

The aluminum layer is coated with a protective lacquer or plastic... you
_could_ think of it as "paint" if you wish since that's about how thick
the protective layer actually is.  It's far thinner than the
polycarbonate plastic disc itself.

>                                                 I don't think you can
>peel off the aluminum surface because the top layer of acrylic that covers
>it is thin and brittle.

Actually, I think you could - depending on the specific type of plastic
or lacquer overcoat which was sprayed or spun onto the aluminum.  It's
possible that there was some contamination of this batch of discs during
the metallization step, and that the aluminum didn't bond properly to
the polycarbonate... in which case it might very well peel away with the
protective layer and the silk-screened ink of the label.
-- 
Dave Platt                                                VOICE: (415) 813-8917
              Domain: dplatt@ntg.com      UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt
 USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2470 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
From: norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:56:54 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu

In article <BzBHx7.H57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
>In article <1gdr7lINN6eb@coral.bucknell.edu> norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu  
>(Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:
>> I don't know why they're pushing it again, but I do know they're being
>> sued.
>> 
>> David James, is one of her best
>> friends.  At any rate, a student loaned her the disc once because of
>> the chants on it, and as she listened, he recognised Mr James' voice.
>> 
>> His voice had been sampled off a Hilliard CD and used on the Enigma
>> disc without his permission.  He's now in the process of suing them
>> for it.
>
>I find this hard to believe.  They state on the singles for
>"Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa" which albums the "real"
>tracks included come from, and it sounds like the same
>source.  If they got permission to include some source
>material (with credit) why didn't the original artists
>know of the sampling?

>ab

It may be hard to believe, but I got it straight from the man in
question.  I don't know that the issue in question is so much whether
the use was *credited* but whether James or the Ensemble got any
*royalties* for it.  They were certainly unaware of the use of their
music.  I don't know the laws, but I'd imagine you could credit them
on the disc without actually paying them any money.  As I said, I
don't own the disc, so I can't check it myself for credit.  I do
*know*, however, that *no* money has been exchanged in return for the
use of this music.

It would be very difficult to find anyone else who sounds like David
James.  He has a very distinctive voice.  In addition to the vocal
sound, he is also a countertenor, one of a very small group (there
aren't *any* American countertenors, for example).  Thus, finding a
countertenor who has a similar sound to David James would be nearly
impossible.

Like I said, I only know Mr James' side of this, which I heard
straight from him and others here who spoke to him.  I should think he
would know what's going on in regard to this case better than anyone,
except perhaps Enigma.  (This is not a flame, incidentally, I'm just
trying to explain the situation as I know it, and the incriminating
evidence as I know it as well.)

Nancy

--
|.."I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice..|....Nancy Norbeck.....|
|......Krispies."  Charles Emerson Winchester III......|.norbeck@bucknell.edu.|
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Duff CD's
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:22:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Dec14.072431.16435@ntg.com> dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:
>
>>Now this is really exciting!  Don't peel off any more of that "paint".  You
>>would probably be best off returning that CD as faulty.  It is not possible
>>for the aluminum-vapor surface to be "fixed with paint rather than being
>>sandwiched between two layers of plastic".
>
>The aluminum layer is coated with a protective lacquer or plastic... you
>_could_ think of it as "paint" if you wish since that's about how thick
>the protective layer actually is.  It's far thinner than the
>polycarbonate plastic disc itself.
>
>>                                                 I don't think you can
>>peel off the aluminum surface because the top layer of acrylic that covers
>>it is thin and brittle.
>
>Actually, I think you could - depending on the specific type of plastic
>or lacquer overcoat which was sprayed or spun onto the aluminum.  It's
>possible that there was some contamination of this batch of discs during
>the metallization step, and that the aluminum didn't bond properly to
>the polycarbonate... in which case it might very well peel away with the
>protective layer and the silk-screened ink of the label.

I just had a potentially-disastrous experience with "the top layer" of 
one of my CDs (Sonic Youth, _Daydream Nation_, Enigma pressing).  I took
it out of the player, and, being very anal-retentive about CD care, checked
it for fingerprints.  Seeing a small one, I breathed on it and very gently
rubbed radially.  I had never had occasion to clean this CD before.  Well,
bits of clear, ultra-thin plastic started coming off, from the inner alumini-
zed area outward.  What appeared to be bare (?) aluminum was exposed for all
of "Teen Age Riot," and probably "Silver Rocket," too. %)  But the disc plays
perfectly, and no visible corrosion has set in (in theory, if nekkid aluminum
were exposed, a shiny protective coating of aluminum oxide would form imme-
diately).  The only differences are that the "coated" area has a slightly 
warmer color and is not as shiny as the bare surface.  

Anyway, at this point I figured that if I had doomed the disc to a lingering
death by oxides of nitrogen in Dallas' air, I might as well experiment 
further (even if the worst happens, DGC is going to reissue _DN_ next year).
So, rubbing very carefully, I easily peeled off more plastic, back to the
first printing on the disc -- and the ink peeled right off, too.  So any
hope that what I'd removed was another layer of sealer _over_ the graphics
was gone.  Still, the aluminum looks perfect and the disc plays fine.

Disclaimers: I've cleaned hundreds of discs this way, and this is the first 
one to have this problem.  But surely this has happened to someone else?  The
CD was mastered by Nimbus, but odds are that it was pressed in the US.  It 
was not made by Discovery Systems. %)

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
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