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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:06:12 GMT

I just picked up the thread of Jewish humor and it self effacing
nature.   I would recommend getting a copy of Joshph Teluskin's
new book on Jewish humor.  It is more serious than funney but he 
knows enough to put a lot of things in a serious perspective.

My main criticism of the book is the over dependence on
Woody Allen as a source of Jewish insights.

Shalom.

Julian Yudelson.
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus and the Dispersion
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:08:00 +0000


> +From         : ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
> +Subject      : Messiah Jesus and the Dispersion
> 
> A number of you asked me to qualify my remark that the cause 
> of the dispersion was the rejection of Jesus.
> 
> I am sure that you know there were only 40 years between the cross
> and the destruction of the temple.
> 
> Consider these Talmud entries:
> 
> Yoma 39b: During the last FORTY YEARS before the destruction
> of the Temple ... the scarlet thread did not become white, nor 
> did the western lamp shine; and the doors of the Holy of Holies 
> would fling themselves open of their own accord.
> 
> Rosh Hashanah 31b: For the FORTY YEARS before the destruction of the 
> Temple the scarlet thread never turned white but it remained red.
> 
> Analysis: When the western lamp fails to shine it means that God's
> Divine presence the Shechinah has left the Temple.
> 
> When the scarlet thread fails to turn white it means the nation
> Israel has not been forgiven by God.  As there has been no proper 
> Yom Kippur then in the eyes of God Israel has been guilty since that
> year.
> 
> Try and see beyond the coincidence.
> 
> I am curious to see what EXCUSES you crazy Orthodox come up with now.

This is blatant discrimination. What about the crazy Conservative and
Reform?  I'm sure they think just the same as the Orthodox about this
bullsh*t.

**** off, will you.




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From: nwf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NICOLE WHITNEY FOX)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:28:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <9212162227.AA07022@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>, tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (
Tim Miller) writes:
>On 16 Dec 92 19:05:43 GMT, shawn@up.hep.upenn.edu (Shawn Ruby) said:
>
> > Anybody see that Jews for Jesus ad in Newsweek?
>
>       No, but I saw the full-page ad in Time.
>
> >                                     They must have more money than I
> > thought to pay for a full page spread like that.
>
>       J4J has a yearly budget in excess of $100 million, according to
>my rabbi.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Imagine the charities out there that would die for a chance at that
> kind of money."
>
I might be completely wrong about this, but I vaguely recall my rabbi telling
me that the pope contributes to this organization.  Of course, if he does then
he does it in some backhanded way so that he doesn't draw attention to
himself.  The person who told me this was trying to give examples of people
trying to "thin out" Judaism.  Personally, I am offended at these adds.  They
portray a "Jewish-looking" (aka eastern Europe characteristics) older woman,
and use a Jewish star instead of an "o" in the word "for."
From: josh@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Josh Mereminsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: IP Address for israel.nysernet.org
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:11:27 GMT
Reply-To: josh@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Josh Mereminsky)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo

Since my site doesn't have a domain name server, can someone send me
the IP address for israel.nysernet.org.

Thanks,
Josh Mereminsky
NCR Corporation - E&M San Diego
josh.mereminsky@SanDiegoCA.ncr.com
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion Prophecy
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:14:54 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1gbf6uINNqhu@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>In article <1gasl1INNnsp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>>The easiest is to IGNORE the jerk, and/or place him into your
>>kill file
>>
>
>My Sysadmin offered the advice of publicly responding to the message 
>with the precise keystroke sequence needed to accomplish this 
>task. I think it should look something like
>
>/missionary's name/ :j  
>
>but I'm not sure. Anyone care to contribute the exact text?

This should work:

/^From: ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk/h:j


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From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: Intolerance (was SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.223256.23296@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu  writes:
>
>I couldn't agree with you more.  Intolerance, within all of our cultures
>is definitely a negative.  I am muslim by birth but not by practice.  Yet
>I feel that I am still a "real" muslim regardless of my degree of following.
>The final result of "judging and condemning" is indeed a depressing prospect.
>I have been approached by both Christian and Jewish missions on the street

There is no such a thing as Jews trying to get people to convert to our
religion!
Thanks,
Dima
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:15:00 +0000


> +From         : makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
> +Subject      : Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
> 
> In article <1992Dec15.192320.12240@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (St
an Krieger) writes
> :
> 
> # >> Our synagogue has set the date of the next adult Bat Mitzvahs
> # >> on May 21, 1994.  Does anyone know what the haftorah reading will
> # >> be that day?
> 
> # >It's Sidrah Naso (my Bar Mitzvah Sidrah) and the Haftorah is from
> # >Judges Chapter 13 Verses 2-25 (all about the birth of Samson).
>  
> # Thanks for the info.
>  
>         Make sure it is not Rosh Hodesh (or Machar haHodesh, or whatever).

Sidrah Naso is ALWAYS (at least outside Israel) read on the Shabbos
after Shovuos, so it can never be on Rosh Hodesh or Machar Hodesh.

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From: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Subject: how many jews are the
Reply-To: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:55:29 EST

LD>In article <1992Dec2.135752.6566#hemlock.cray.com> dadams@cray.com writes:
>A jewish friend told me that there were only 5 million.
>I was dumbfounded.  In all the world?!?  I have always
>supposed that there were many more than that.  Does
>anyone know any figures that would back that up or
>refute it?

LD> You are not alone. NCSY in Toronto recently produced a
LD> fascinating video entitled, "What is a Jew?"
LD> In this video, some twenty or so Torontonians were asked
LD> the above question. Also, they were asked how many Jews they
LD> thought there were. The answers ranged from the billions (I kid
LD> you not!) to over 250,000,000!
LD> The abysmal ignorance of Jews and Judaism (not to mention the
LD> undercurrent of anti-semitism) was most alarming.

I trust that your comment is generic, and not made in reference to Toronto
exclusively.  However, given the current deplorable state of public education in
Ontario, the propensity of the Provincial government now in power to
delegitimize Jews as a minority group and its refusal to fund Jewish day schools
(as it already does Catholic "separate schools"), and the editorial policies
of the region's largest newspaper with respect to Jews and Israel, it does not
surprise me to learn that the participants in this video had the views they did.
Nor would it surprise me to learn that some of the participants were Jews
themselves!

That having been said, please know that in Jewish communal terms Toronto is
truly "a light unto the nations".  (We do more here than simply buy World
Series Championships and shovel snow [...oy, do we shovel snow!])
This is despite the recent economic misfortunes suffered by our most
philanthropic families, which have paralysed funding for schools, yeshivot,
and services to the Jewish needy.

Robert A. Brickman, C.A.
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From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Is Failure to Support Pollard Anti-Semitic?
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:53:47 GMT
	<1992Dec10.145429.12180@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Dec10.193355.14115@netcom.com>
	<1992Dec12.233236.15115@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of 12 Dec 92 23:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.233236.15115@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:
>
> David Sternlight has kindly written the following:
>
> > Bill Coleman continues to misstate the facts and refuse to listen to
> > what people are saying to him. [etc., etc.,etc.]
>
> What bothers me is not that David and one other person choose to post
> stuff like this; but that while hundreds of people around the world post
> to this newsgroup, less than a half-dozen have either posted or written
> to me expressing their outrage.

You shouldn't be so upset.  David Sternlight is incapable of listening
to others' arguments and responding to them.  He substitutes for this a
rude and exaggerated insistance that the TRUE issue -- which he believes
he has the sole authority to define -- is being ignored, and that his
opponent is thereby shown to be a despicable, misearble renegade, with
psychological problems to boot.  He's done it with you, he's done it
with me, he's done it with others.  You *know* there's something funny
about Mr. Sternlight when you find people from all sides of the
political issues discussed on TPM and SCJ (and that's quite a wide
variety of views!) united in their opinion of him.

My favorite Mr. Sternlight antic is the childish way in which he
announces to the world that someone he dislikes is being ADDED TO HIS
KILL FILE!
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI                                                TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher slaughter (was Re: Medicine & the Mall)
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:41:08 +0200
Keywords: kosher slaughter
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Cape Town

> 
> On the offchance that the comment about kosher slaughter was not meant
> as an ironic joke and that it reflected a serious belief about the
> nature of such slaughter, I am forced to note once again that
> describing it as "letting them bleed dry, while still alive, and not
> bothering with more humane ways of killing them..." is highly
> inaccurate.  This statement calls to mind images of throats cut with
> big, nasty-looking serrated knives, left to scream and jerk while the
> blood slowly drains from a ragged hole.  This could not be further
> from the truth.  In kosher slaughter (called "shechita"), the animal's
> throat is slit with a razor-sharp knife with no detectable nicks or
> serrations (i.e., painless).  Both the esophagus and trachea must be
> cut through, ensuring that all the large arteries and veins in the
> neck are cut.  The animal is instantly unconscious and dead within
> seconds.  As a comparison, stun guns may not work on the first shot
> (often the case with less well-trained personnel), leaving the animal
> in great pain for a significant period of time.  Arguments against
> "inhumane kosher slaughter" stem either from ignorance or
> anti-semitism.
> 

I agree that kosher slaughter is probably the most humane method. What I am
worried about is non-kosher slaughter is not humane. The impression I get
is that "stun gun" is a sick euphemism. What the stun gun does is blow out
the motor center of the brain rendering the animal paralyzed but NOT numb
or free from pain. The animal probably feels tremendous pain but is completely
unable to move. So the stun gun method is like torturing a paraplegic who
can still feel pain but who cannot fight back.

Non-kosher slaughter should be banned and replaced with the humane kosher
method.

Colin
Ps "shechita" is simply Hebrew for "slaughter" and in Hebrew it can be used
for both kosher or non-kosher slaughter.
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From: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Art Yaffe)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses
Reply-To: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Boston MA, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:30:07 GMT

In article 1328@cc.ic.ac.uk, jhart@ee.ic.ac.uk (Joanna Hart) writes:
>What do people think about sending/ encouraging other people to send you Xmas cards?
>
>I have found that whilst I try to send cards to people I work with etc. (ie. the non-Jewish ones, which is most of them), as they all know I'm Jewish they don't send me cards (in case I get upset or offended) and then get embarrassed when they get mine.
>
>Cheers & Happy Chanukah

It hasn't taken me long to get some of my non-Jewish friends to send us
inoffensive "Season's Greetings" cards or, in the case of one "born again"
couple, Chanukah cards!  (I'm pretty sure these folks didn't know the 
inscription in Hebrew characters on the left inside page was in Yiddish!)
They spared both themselves and us a (small) embarrassment, and I'm grateful.
I have to forgive the people who annually send a photo of their twin girls 
in front of the tree, behind the creche, with a rather deeply religious
inscription.  They know not what they do.  (;-)#

Chanukah cards are certainly available in England - we have received one 
from friends in WGC each year for the past four or five years.  It's my
guess that if you mention this to just a few of your colleagues, the word
will get around and you'll start to get a few Season's Greetings cards 
and one or two Chanukah cards from your non-Jewish friends.  A good 
opportunity to express yourself is when they come to you to apologize for
missing you on their card list.

I have avoided casting people off my season's card list just because we don't
receive cards in return.  As long as I know I am still reaching them, I will
do my part to maintain social contact.

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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Irreconcialable differences...
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:21:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   There have been various recent efforts to link Christianity to 
Judaism.  These efforts range from the repeated use of the phrase   
"Judeo-Christian" to groups of evangelists refering to themselves
as 'Jews' for Jesus.  All of these efforts, calculated to convert 
Jews to Christianity, are doomed to failure.  These attempts show
that they know little or nothing about Judasim.

   To begin with, there is show much of Christian dogma that Jews
regard as idol-worship, that Christian worship is somewhat vulgar
from the Jewish point of view.  Jews actually do not have visions
of God.  God is regarded as beyond anything that we mortals could
possibly grasp.  The mere suggestion that "Jesus is Lord" offends
the very foundation of the Jewish concept of God. 

   Moshiach(messiah) is not a supernatural being.  He is supposed
to be a man, and only a man.  For this reason, it is not possible
for the Jewish messiah to be born, die, and be resurrected, so he
can try to get right what he never accomplished the first time.

   And finally, the concept of God crucifying his own son for the
sins of any other person, let alone all of humanity, is, from the 
Jewish point of view, totally unacceptable.  It flies in the face
of everything that is important in Judasim.  Judaism teaches that
salvation is achievable by how one behaves.  In Judaism, even the
atheist who behaves in a decent and kind manner will have a place
in the world to come.  

   If, as Judaism teaches, one can achieve salvation by behavior,
then Jesus would have died for nothing.  And herein lies why Jews
can never accept Christianity.  This is not to be regarded as any
sort of value judgement of Christianity, for it is not.  Consider
this simply a statement as to why Christianity cannot find common
ground with Judaism.  It hopefully will shed some light on why we
Jews find Christian proselytising so offensive.
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From: haber@shark.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Yaacov Haber)
Subject: LA
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:38:33 GMT


I'm going to be  between flights in LA for about 7 hours with
a couple of kids. Can anyone tell me how to get from the airport 
to the closest cholov yisroel pizza shop or the like and to a minyan for Mincha.

I'd really appreciate any help, preferably by email

Thanks


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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:24:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215056.19971@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>In article <isaac.724544352@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:
>>Whilst I don't agree with Rav Shach and his Chassidim, they
>>actually *do* constitute misnagdim today. They *do* believe that Chassidim
>>(notably, perhaps only, Chabad) are heretical and do violate jewish law.
>>
>I don't think you meant to be insulting, but calling the followers of
>Rav Shach Chassidim is insulting to those who try to be.
  And here's my flame for the day. Is it too much to ask that people
  read what other people write before replying? Look at what Isaac
  Balbin writes (leaving out the subordinate clauses) Rav Shach and
  his Chassidim do believe that Chassidim are heretical. Now, this
  so obviously doesn't make sense that either (insulting remark deleted)
  or, clearly, what was meant is that Rav Shach and his
  followers/charedim do believe that Chassidim are heretical.

  David Kaufmann then replies about how can Rav Shach's followers
  be called Chassidim, when it would seem obvious, or at least worthy
  of clarification, that Isaac Balbin has done no such thing.

  In other words, people (in this case DK)
  should try and figure out whether the person (in this case IB)
  has made a mistake, or really meant what they typed.

  Disclaimers: I take no position on the various Jewish philosophies
	       involved, while reserving judgement on actions they
	       lead to.

	       I am also guilty of replying without re-reading on
	       occasion.
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From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:27:59 GMT

Mitch

	Re: Jewish "Self-mocking"

	I disagree that this is a dangerous trait.  I feel that being able to
laugh at one's self or one's circumstances is a sign of good health, and show
a high comfort level with one's beliefs.  It is also a good safety valve.  I
posted a Holocaust joke a couple of minutes ago.  I read it in a book entitled
"Humor in Hell."  "Humor in Hell" talks about the different classes of jokes,
when they were told, and the effects and what they were trying to achieve.
If you are not willing to laugh at yourself, there comes a time when the only
thing left is to lay down and die.  In telling jokes you not only lift your 
spirits, but you also bring a powerful weapon to bear on your enemies.

	I have noticed something that I consider very interesting.  People
who feel that they have "THE RIGHT ANSWER (tm)", or have a "MISSION(tm)"
never seem to be able to laugh at themselves or their causes.  I know many
Republicans, for the most part, they laugh at jokes aimed at both the 
Republicans, and the Democrats.  The Democrats I associate with absolutely
will not laugh at a joke aimed at a Deomcrat or Democratic party policies.
My Republican friends love Dan Quayle jokes, when was the last time you
heard a Democrat laugh at a joke pointed at Ted Kennedy?

	Last week, I made a loaf of Jallopino Cheese Bread.  One of the steps
is to mince Jallopino peppers.  When I finished mincing the peppers, I rinsed 
my hands, and for some reason touched my eye.  About 10 seconds later my eye
started burning, I yelled something like 'nuts' (for me this nuts is a pretty
good exclaimation), my wife asked me what was wrong, I replied "I am an Idiot."
I could have screamed, yelled, and swore but none of that would have helped 
the situation.

	I am sure that the sages had something to say about laughter, (they
had something to say about everything else <G>), I my ignorance of their
teachings on the subject, I will leave you with my own.

	Laughter is good for the body, Laughter is good for the soul.  Try
it sometime.

				Shabbat Shalom
					Seth
 

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