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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: kermit in batch
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:03:31 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <1992Nov19.150744.6650@infonode.ingr.com>, fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford) writes:
> 
> A friend has asked me to query the net about ideas on running
> kermit from batch in vms.  He says it won't operate that way
> now.  He has a system that "wakes up" every N days and must
> transfer some files to another site.
> 
> Anyone that has ideas or knows where the latest vms kermit
> sources are, please send me email.  Thanks, fordke@ingr.com.
> -- 
> Keith E. Ford     __
> Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  The Dragon Server
> +1 205 730-8614  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
> fordke@ingr.com  [__] 830-2362 HST/V32bis 9600  "Subject: HELP"
-- 
Keith,
 
There are several solutions to this problem. The one which I 
personnally prefer is to use the DECUS UUCP to automatically call 
the other site every couple of days (this solution does assume 
that the other site is willing to allow a UUCP connection). The 
files can then be sent by Email between the two machines. A side 
benefit of this approach is that UUCP supports retries and a 
fairly extensive script capability. The files to be sent to the 
other system can be sent by BATCH jobs sending MAIL using the 
normal VMS MAIL utility (in command line mode, of course).
 
I hope that the above information is helpful. If I can be of 
further assistance, please feel free to give me a call ordrop me 
an Email.
 
- Bob
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: tcsh on DEC OSF/1 Alpha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:02:42 GMT

In article <2B0C83D9.11216@news.service.uci.edu> I wrote:
>
>Does anyone have config files/source changes/etc to get tcsh v6.02 to
>compile on an DEC Alpha system running OSF/1?  I've made a stab at
>it, but the compile dies right away in tc.os.h where it defines
>sigpause().

Thanks to everyone who pointed me to the tcsh sources on gatekeeper.dec.com
in pub/DEC/Alpha/apps.


Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC Pro 350
From: riceg@mdcbbs.com
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:52:52 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: riceg

>   Say, was there ever a way to SET HOST to a PRO via DECnet?

Nope. I looked at porting the RSX object files to the Pro but it
wasn't feasible. The PRO DECnet implementation is quite a bit different
than the RSX one.



Gary Rice
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DECWINDOW,IRIS AND XWINDOWS
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:08:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <12NOV199222270478@reg.triumf.ca> fwj@reg.triumf.ca (JONES,FRED_W.) writes:

| glenn@cloud1.met.fsu.edu writes...
| >I am trying to setup my display on a vaxstation model76 using
| >vax/vms 5.5 to show a xwindow display on a silicon graphics
| >workstation (4d/35) using 4.0.1. os. since i am using
| >decwindows on a vms machine and not ultrix ,the set environment
| >variable DISPLAY is set by using 'set display/create/node=....'
| >i have been unsucessfull in display and xlib window on the
| >iris by runing the code on the vax-vms. 
| >the iris has permitted access to the vax node by use of the
| >xhost command.
| > 
| > any suggesstions? or do i have to get an ultrix workstation?
| 
| Just a guess...
| 
| You didn't mention what transport you are trying to use.
| The default transport for the VMS  SET DISPLAY command is
| usually DECNET, and unless your Iris is running Decnet
| the connection will be refused.  [To see the transport
| method, type SHOW DISPLAY].

Even if it *is* running the Decnet product (we call it 4DDN),
it won't work using Decnet as the transport.  We don't support
X over Decnet (not enough demand to justify the effort, although
there is a definite demand).

| If you have Multinet or UCX or some other TCPIP running on
| your VAX, you can try:
|   SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=.../TRANSPORT=TCPIP
| Your DECWindows installation may also have to be configured to
| support this transport method.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: quodling@stimpy.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: How do you reach DEC employees via email?
Organization: SPR Alpha Resource Centre
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.221615.23774@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, grusin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL) writes:
> 
> I have some friends that work at DEC who have given me email addresses
> ("person@machine.enet.dec.com"), but my school machine always responds
> with "host not known" when I try and email or finger them.
> 

You won't be able to Finger them, the gateway should block that, however email
should work. If it doesn't your local system, probably doesn't have it's
domain's set up properly.

can you ftp to gatekeeper.dec.com? If you can't even get that far, then you
don't know about decwrl, which is the dec gateway, and a major backbone site of
the Internet...

-- 
Peter Quodling		         Internet:     quodling@stimpy.enet.dec.com
SPR Alpha Migration Centre       UUCP: ...!decwrl!stimpy.enet!quodling
Sydney, Australia                Phone: 61-2-561 7272           _--_|\
Digital Equipment Corporation                                  /Aussie\
SNO1-3/C4                                                      \_.--._/
                                 I Said it, not them                 v
From: sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Sanjay B Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: [Updated] University price list for DEC computers?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:32:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Could anyone post a compilation of the current university prices
for DEC computers alongwith perhaps some specifications (all in tabular
form) ?  I am at the moment comparing prices with Digital's competitors
and would like to know where DEC stands with respect to other companies.

	If a comprehensive listing is available somewhere I'd be happy
if someone simply told me where to obtain it.

	Thank you,


			Sanjay

		sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: DEC Support?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.213759.25943@decuac.dec.com>, mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum AXP) writes:
...
> 	I think that anyone who has ever dealt with any kind of large
> service organization can tell you tales of horror and confusion, as well
> as tales of helpfulness and success. Of course, most of them are mature
> enough that they don't go posting, "gee, I hope I get to watch you guys
> go out of business" remarks in an international forum.

All too true I'm affraid. And the problems the service org can have with the
customers 'managment' can be een worse...

However, It is often the case, or appears to be the case, that no one in DEC
that the customer can get to has a clue about the equipment. If its more than
" Iwant a vax " it hits the bit bucket or you get sent on a huge run-arround.
In theory there is an escalation of unresolved problems to get them fixed, but
the only one that seems to work is to call the Mill, and have it fixed from
above.

> 	Thanks for your constructive remarks.
> 
It is hardest on the competent in DEC who tend to get caught in the cross-fire
and are understandably pissed-off at the angst that is flying around. There
are lots of problems and queries that are not worth anyone in DEC spending
ANY time on from DECs point off view, but fobbing them off to someone else
who comes back with "... we don't have any info on that, you will have to ask
DEC..." leaves a sour taste in the mouth. It is a pity that some way has not
been developed for customers to find out the facts thay need.

~Paul
From: akeren@brooks.ICS.UCI.EDU (Alan Keren)
Subject: connecting a HP IIIsi to a DEC 3100 runing VMS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:43:51 GMT


I am trying to setup a DEC 3100 running pathworks as a print server for a
network including a DEC 5000 runing Ultrix and PC's.

To complicate matters the HP has a Bridge Port card in it to do automatic
switching between Postscript and PCL modes.  This card has a RJ-45
connector which is almost but not quite a serial connector.


If anyone has ever tryed anything to do with this please send me a message
or post it to this bulletin board.

                      Alan Keren
From: lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: 11/83 help sought
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:01:29 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <721915360.6747@minster.york.ac.uk>, gary@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> I've just acquired via an auction an 11/83 - but without
> manuals. When I try to boot it the LEDs at the rear end
> up with the number 4 on them. It fails to boot. Could
> any kind soul tell me what these numerical codes mean.
> Does anyone have data books etc on this machine that
> they would like to donate to an unworthy cause?
> 
> any help greatly appreciated...
> 
> 
> many thanks in advance...
> 
> gary morgan

That isn't an error.  It means that the machine is in "dialog mode", and is
expecting you to type something in.

You should have a console port on the back of the box next to a rotary switch 
with a bunch of numbers on it signifing different baud rates. Get an ansi 
terminal and set it to 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, with the baud rate set to 
match the computer and then try it. 
  The machine should come up with something like:

Testing in progress Please wait
Memory size is 4088 K Bytes   (or however much mem you have in it)
9 Step memory test
  Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 



Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test.
Type a command and then press the RETURN key:




If you have any devices attached you can try booting them at this point:

B DU0, etc..

Good luck.

-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op       HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: lee@hsh.com    Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."
From: peirick_j@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Can I add an RF72 to an MVII?
Date: 18 NOV 92 11:44:57 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

Recently a windfall of funding found me with enough cash to add to the measly
storage on my aging MicroVAX II.  It's disk storage now consists of two RD53's
on an RQDXE controller and an RF71 in a separate RF215F enclosure on a KFQSA
controller.  The machine is running VMS 5.5 and is not clustered.

So, I called the good old 1-800-DIGITAL number, and they said that sure, buy
this here newly discounted RF72, slip it into your existing enclosure, and
be a happy customer.  However, when I installed it, it gives every evidence
of being hooked up properly by passing the power on self test, and responding
properly to the front panel switches, but I can't seem to get the computer
to recoginze it.  I have caused some real turmoil at my local DEC office, and
have tried to get someone at 1-800-DIGITAL to take responsibility for this,
but no dice.  

So my question is:  Has anyone else been silly enough to keep a MVII this
long and then been even sillier enough to try to put an RF71 and then an
RF72 on it?  If you tried it, did it work?  How much sturm und drang did 
you have to endure in order for it to finally work?  Many thanks for any
help that might pop up.  Email responses might be better, as this probably
has little general appeal, but do what you think is best.
--
 Jerome Peirick		| peirick_j@wums.wustl.edu |  Baseball has the great
 Dept. of Cardiology	|			   |  advantage over cricket
 Wash. U. Med School	|			   |  of being sooner ended.
 St. Louis, MO  63110	| Phone:  314-362-8112	   |	-George Bernard Shaw

Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: larry@shiva.eco.twg.com (Lawrence B. Henry III)
Subject: Re: DEC Support?
Reply-To: larry@eco.twg.com
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:51:48 GMT


In article <DGRAY.92Nov16133448@menudo.uh.edu>, dgray@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:
|>Path: eco.twg.com!uunet!ukma!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!dgray
|>From: dgray@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
|>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
|>Subject: DEC Support?
|>Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:34:48 GMT
|>Organization: Academic Computer User Services
|>Lines: 28
|>Message-ID: <DGRAY.92Nov16133448@menudo.uh.edu>
|>Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
|>NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu
|>
|>
|>I always thought that Digital "I wanna be IBM in the 90s" Equipment
|>Corp always justified their outrageously high prices with their
|>support.  However, it seems that DEC isn't the slightest bit
|>interested in their customers.  I sight several things:
|>
|>First, the technical sales line (800-DIGITAL) sometimes cannot even
|>tell me what parts I can use with my machine.
|>
|>DEC "support" will not even talk to you unless you have one of their
|>outrageously priced service contracts.  Besides, I thought the high
|>equipment prices went to pay for support...
|>
|>And now they cannot even supply tapes for their own machines.  A local
|>office supply has a 3M equililent to the TK50 tapes, but all three of
|>the DEC distributors I called have back orders (one guy said they had
|>"several thousand on order").  This is really insane.
|>
|>I just hope I can be around to see DEC founder and sink like IBM is
|>doing now...
|>
|>Disgusted,
|>-dennis
|>---
|>Dennis Gray, Jr.                                        DGray@uh.edu
|>		  "In UNIX We Trust" -Jerry Raschke
|>
|>
|>
Gee... you seem bitter ;-)

-Larry.
From: karell@cs.Helsinki.FI (Esa Karell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: gatekeeper.dec.com/Can't ftp
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:06:51 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland

Scenario:

ftp gatekeeper.dec.com

(login as anonymous, email addr for passwd)

cd pub/DEC/DECinfo/infosheet

get (something, I've tried several files always the same response)

No control connection for command: Bad file number                      
can't find list of remote files, oops                                   

and then goes to

227 Entering Passive Mode (16,1,0,2,11,197)                             
No primary connection                                                   
       
       
What does all this indicate? Is the problem at our end
(that's quite likely)? Does anyone know how to fix this?

Esa
-- 

Esa Karell karell@cs.Helsinki.FI
Tel. +358-0 513 081 /home
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: morse@quark.mpr.ca (Daryl Morse)
Subject: Re: DEC Support?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, BC, Canada.
	<1992Nov18.054500.2450@csrd.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Nov19.121523.8216@brt.deakin.edu.au>
	<DGRAY.92Nov18233610@menudo.uh.edu>
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:58:39


In article <DGRAY.92Nov18233610@menudo.uh.edu> dgray@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:

   In article <1992Nov19.121523.8216@brt.deakin.edu.au> dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller) writes:

      >DEC "support" will not even talk to you unless you have one of their
      >outrageously priced service contracts.  

      More "outrageous prices" --- care to justify these assertions?

>   Okay, How many manufacturers are getting $10,000 for a 1.3 gig drive?
>   How about $2000 for a single hard drive controller?  $8,000 for a 351
>   meg drive?  (I would point out that an 8 meg RAM card costs $8,000,
>   but I understand SGI has even higher prices than that.)  These are
>   what I call outrageous prices.

I'm bit rusty to be able to guess whether you are refering to SDI,
DSSI, or SCSI drives, but if it's the latter, then your prices are on
the verge of becoming wildly out of date.

In the latest issue dn&r, an interesting table describing the latest
crop of SCSI drives shows that DEC has two very competitive drives
coming out within the next two months.

DSP5350:  3.5 Gbyte, 5.25 in, 11.5 ms seek, 20 Mbyte transfer, $3495, 1/93.
DSP5350:  1.6 Gbyte, 3.5 in, 10.0 ms seek, 20 Mbyte transfer, $1995, 12/92.

As for memory, another table (describing memory for DEC 3000) shows:

32 Mbyte $4000. Other vendor's prices are $4800 and $5600.
64 Mbyte $8000. Other vendor's prices are $7800 and $10000.

Check also the prices for the new Alpha AXP systems. I think you will
also see that on a price/performance basis, they are very competitive.

--
Daryl Morse                     | Voice  : (604) 293-5476
MPR Teltech Ltd. 		| Fax    : (604) 293-5787
8999 Nelson Way, Burnaby, BC    | E-Mail : morse@mpr.ca
Canada, V5A 4B5                 |        : mprgate.mpr.ca!morse@uunet.uu.net
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Alpha speed?
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:56:38 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <1992Nov13.025648.8881@crl.dec.com>, jg@crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) writes:
> The current 21064 Alpha chip built in the current fab process will run at up to 
> 200MHZ (and we've never said anything else, to my knowledge).
> 
...
> So a 150MHZ Alpha system can execute up to 300 million instructions/second.
> We announced 5 different machines, which run between at clock rates
> of between 133MHZ and 200MHZ.
             ^^^^^^

200 and 150 are the numbers I hae seen in all the DEC stuff, but the 133MHz is
a new one. Why? Heat? Lower speed support chips?

~Paul
From: jenkinsonjp@rcwusr.bp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: disk moves MV2000 -> MVII
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:49:01 -0600
Organization: BP Research, Cleveland, OH (USA)

i'd like to take an RD54 from a MicroVAX2000 and install it on a MicroVAX II.
what would be involved? it is more than plug and play as i've found. is the
MicroVAX2000 scsi-like? the disk is reported to be an RD54, but is made by
Maxtor with a model number of XT2190. 
much needed help gratefully received at jenkinson@sapc1.dnet.bp.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Subject: Re: Now that Alpha is here......
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:54:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Nov13.190642.243@hsh.com>, lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann) writes:

>My reasoning is that people will be replacing their older, slower vaxen
>running _VMS_ boxes for a newer, faster Alpha running _VMS_ boxes.

This will probably result in a faster migration of CISC-VAXen into
people's homes, just as you see folks buying S*n 3/xxx and setting them up as
X-terms and personal Un*X networkds.

... Hmm ... I wonder how cheaply you could produce a 4000/90 if you farmed out
the chips and such... 

Somehow I doubt they'll be selling the VAX/CISC chips to Commodore or Atari, 
but it's always nice to wonder... :)


                 Play in the intelluctual sandbox of Usenet 

  -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.ultrix
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Subject: Re: tcsh on DEC OSF/1 Alpha
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:45:19

> Look on gatekeeper.dec.com for some already ported programs.  tcsh is
> one of them.  Look in /.1/DEC/Alpha/apps

the .1 is arbitrary and subject to change.  use /pub/DEC/Alpha/apps,
which is permanent.  if i'd had disk striping back when i began gatekeeper's
ftp archive, the .1 would not be neccessary.  with 6GB online i'm not
exactly itching to back it all up and restore onto a striped set.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: tcsh on DEC OSF/1 Alpha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:21:13 GMT


Does anyone have config files/source changes/etc to get tcsh v6.02 to
compile on an DEC Alpha system running OSF/1?  I've made a stab at
it, but the compile dies right away in tc.os.h where it defines
sigpause().

Thanks,


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
From: dgray@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC Support?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:37:58 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer User Services
	<1992Nov18.054500.2450@csrd.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Nov19.121523.8216@brt.deakin.edu.au>
	<DGRAY.92Nov18233610@menudo.uh.edu> <MORSE.92Nov19085839@quark.mpr.ca>
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu
In-reply-to: morse@quark.mpr.ca's message of 19 Nov 92 08:58:39

In article <MORSE.92Nov19085839@quark.mpr.ca> morse@quark.mpr.ca (Daryl Morse) writes:

   I'm bit rusty to be able to guess whether you are refering to SDI,
   DSSI, or SCSI drives, but if it's the latter, then your prices are on
   the verge of becoming wildly out of date.

That's the price I was quoted.  $10,000 for a gig scsi drive.


-dennis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: rjones@wsl.dec.com (Russ Jones)
Subject: Re: Is the Alpha 3000(400/500) board upgradable?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:45:47 GMT

In article <1741@niktow.canisius.edu>, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>
>   Substitute "3100" for "3000 AXP" and "MIPS RISC" for "Alpha" and we end up
>   with something very close to a precise quote from DEC sales two+ years ago.
>   ( 1/2 :-) ,  1/2 :-(  .  What's the symbol for "cynical" ?)
> 
Greg,

You're right.  We would have made the same statement two years ago and, in fact, did make that statement.  And from Nov'90, we introduced the following upgrades for the DS3100:

	Apr'91		DS3100 -> DS5000/125
	Feb'92					/125 -> /133
	Apr'92		DS3100 -> DS5000/133
	Q2'CY93					/125 & /133 -> R4000

Over a 2.5 year window a DS3100 user was able (or will be with R4000 CPU daughtercards) to increase their CPU power by somewhere between 400%-500%.
Granted these upgrades are not free, but all in all, not *too* bad.

In addition, there will be a DS3100 upgrade to a future "under $10k Alpha AXP workstation" available in '93.  Talk to your Digital Sales Rep if you would like firm prices & part numbers for other DECstation to Alpha upgrades.

-- 
Russ Jones
UNIX Marketing
Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and not necessarily those of my employer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms