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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:46:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Jan26.084617.25820
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

It has been pointed out by numerous folks that this was an awful idea.
There was absolutely no support for moving any of these groups except
perhaps rec.hunting and any rec.backcountry groups that would be
created.  And there were far too few people in favor of messing with
rec.backcountry.  So, please forget I ever mentioned it and I promise
I won't bring it up again...

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Michigan Feed Pile Statistic
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:18 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Statistic taken from a Michigan magazine. (not sure which one, lost track
of the article and haven't found the exact quote yet)

The article stated that hunter's were responsible for putting out 43 million
(six zeros boys) BUSHELS of food this hunting season.

I know that I personally put out over 500 lbs. and I am still putting some
out - now that the season has been over for almost a month.  And out of the
food that I have put out, I estimate (by tracks and observation) that I am
lucky if 20% of it ended up in the mouths of deer.

For the record, I got my first deer - a healthy little three pointer with
bad lineage for horns - over my brother's wife's feed pile.  I credit
the feed with distracting the deer sufficiently to allow me to take the
animal down extremely quick and humane.

swood
-- 
 All Month  Rabbit and Crow are legal to hunt all month in Michigan
  Current   Michigan Canada Goose special late season still open
      (Southern Michigan Game Management unit only w/stamp)
         <<<<<<  Only nine months until bow season!!! >>>>>>


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:45 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan22.100656.25707@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.105316.20790@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan20.090451.12045@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
|> >   motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
|> > 
|> >>By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
|> >>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
|> >>as often as I might like!
|> > 
|> >It's legal to buy venison where you live?  I didn't think it was legal
|> >to buy venison anywhere in the US.
|> > 
|> >      -----------------------------------------------------
|> >Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
|> >cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
|> >(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
|> >(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
|> 
|> Yes, it is legal.  I don't have to go to any black market dealers
|> or "score" any venison on a street corner!  ;-)
|> 
|> My local supplier is Czimer's meat, and he's been in the business
|> for years.  On my last visit, he had bear, lion, wild turkey, wild
|> goose, pheasant, rabbit, caribou, reindeer, and wild hog.  Most of
|> the stuff is very pricy, but you can get what you want.  He even
|> advertises in the local paper.  I picked up two dozen pheasant
|> drumsticks at .79 per pound, and after they soak in my special
|> teriaki sauce and slow cook over an applewood fire, I figure they
|> have a half-life of about 10 seconds during the superbowl.
|> 
|> I sure wish I could have stocked my freezer this year with some
|> nice venison, rabbit and pheasant.  I'm so tired of the limited
|> selection at the local grocery stores!
|> Ah, next year!
|> 
|> Mary Otto
|> 
|> 

I love Czimer's. I have had some of his

- Rabbit
- Buffalo
- Venison Ribs
- Jump Steak (Kangaroo ;->)
- goose

All delicious. Not cheap though so I don't get there very often.

All of the meat is ranch raised. It is illegal to traffic in game taken
via. hunting but ranching is still legal.

				mike


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: peterson@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (John M. Peterson)
Subject: jerky
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:47 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


       Here's a recipe for jerky that works well on just about
any kind of meat.

     If you use meat that is still half frozen,it's much easier
to slice it into *THIN* strips.I prefer to slice mine as thin 
as I can get it(venison,maybe an 1/8").

    Ingredients:
1 teaspoon black pepper
1 tsp red pepper
1 tsp garlic salt
1 tsp hickory salt
1 bottle soy sauce(8oz?6oz?)
Enough water to cover whole mess

    Mix dry ingredients ,I dump the soy sauce into a glass bowl,
then dump the spices in the bottle add a little warm water to
mix them thoroughly.Marinate your meat in this in the fridge
overnight.(reach in there and stir a couple a times)


  To dry the meat,set your oven to around 150-200 degrees,
cover the bottom of the oven with foil because it's gonna drip
Spread the meat on the racks(not letting it touch),prop the 
door open with a spoon handle or something to let air circulate.

  It's going to take 3-5 hours to dry completely.It's also going 
to stink the whole house up(my wife's opinion,not mine)

  The jerky turns out rather salty and when you get a bite from
the bottom of the crock where all the pepper settled,it's down
right *HOT*.

  I've used this recipe a dozen times or more,it's always turned
out well.
 
 Enjoy



marty   using JMP's account


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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Subject: Re: GREYHOUNDS
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.105129.20555@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
       toby@stein.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.090324.11927@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
       poppg@columbia.dsu.edu (GARY POPP) writes:
>>I'M FROM SOUTH DAKOTA AND A FEW WEEKS AGO OUT COYOTE HUNTING I MET UP WITH 
>>SOME GUYS THAT WERE ALSO COYOTE HUNTING....WITH GREYHOUNDS!  THEY HAD FOUR 
>>GREYHOUNDS AND WHEN THEY WOULD SEE A COYOTE- THEY TURN THE DOGS LOOSE ON IT 
>>AND THE DOGS WOULD THEN RUN THE COYOTE DOWN!
>>I WAS THINKING OF GETTING SOME GREYHOUNDS BUT DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM.  
>>DOES ANYONE KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TRAIN THEM, OR HOW FRIENDLY GREYHOUNDS ARE.  
>>PLEASE PUT ANY INFO. YOU HAVE OVER THE NET.
>
>Nice dogs.  Usually available for free as retired racing dogs.  Call
>any of the dog tracks in Florida, for example.  I know Wisconsin
>has strict laws about placing retired racing dogs in homes (as opposed
>to shallow graves, as is done too often), so you could call there, too.
>A friend of mine who lived in New Mexico used ex-racing dogs for
>hunting jackrabbits.  He said the best one he had was a bitch that
>was rejected for racing because she would jump the rail, cut the
>corner on the track, and jump the rail again to catch the mechanical
>rabbit.
>
	There are some folks down in the Roswell, N.M. area that regularly
  hunt coyotes with greyhounds and russian wolfhounds.  Some of them have
  off-road 4x4s rigged with the dog boxes (usually 4) set up with the doors
  all opening on one side of the pickup truck bed, with electronic latches
  which can be operated from the cab.  They go out into a good area and
  simply drive cross-country until they spot a coyote.  Then they put the
  pedal down and scream up as close to the coyote as they can conveniently
  get, at which point they slew the truck around so that the dog box doors
  are facing the coyote and hit the electric door release.  The dogs hit
  the ground running and the chase begins.  Usually the coyote is very
  unconcerned at first, having outrun everything that has ever chased it.
  Then after a little bit, it looks over it's shoulder and realizes that
  the dogs are GAINING on it - that when the chase gets really serious, but
  still, the coyote never gets away.  The greyhounds are just too fast!
  I have very mixed feelings about this practice, so don't bother to flame
  me about the ethics of this.  I'm just reporting how they do it down there.

  -Bob

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From: rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Rename rec.hunting rec.outdoors.hunting
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:46:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Jan26.084637.25887
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
several group suggesting that the groups be moved to the
rec.outdoors. hierarchy which currently contains just
rec.outdoors.fishing.

If you have any comments about renaming this group, please post them
to news.groups.  Followups to this group and email will not be
considered.  The guidelines state that the official discussion must
take place in news.groups.

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:40 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
 
>I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German
>Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,
>clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good
>upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last
>item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not
>the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal
>upland dog.
 
I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
person's dog.  Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later
decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
here!*).   ;-)
 
 
>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice
>appreciated.
 
A Lab is a Lab is a Lab.  Black, yellow, or chocolate.  Color has no
bearing on temprament, hunting ability, shedding (although certain colors
may show up more), or how good they are with kids.  Certain old wives
tales may say otherwise, but they are wrong.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: LymeNet subscriptions
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Jan26.084604.25781
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:40:05 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
Am I on the right track with the lab?

				mike


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From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Subject: New listserv group - LymeNet
Organization: Lehigh University
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:27 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Introducing...

******************************************************************************
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******************************************************************************

Lyme Disease is now the fastest growing infectious disease in the United
States.  In 10 short years, this little known bacterial infection has claimed
half a million victims and the number of new patients continues to spiral
upward with no relief in sight.  It is estimated that in 1991, 100,000
Americans contracted this dangerous disease.  If left untreated, LD can cause
permanent nerve, musculoskeletal and cardiac damage.

Unfortunately, many in the medical and political arenas have not given this
epidemic much thought.  Self appointed experts in the academic community have
declared that LD can always be cured with short courses of simple antibiotics.
However, as the number of cases rise, doctors on the front lines are
discovering that LD is more serious that previously suspected, requiring longer
treatment therapies and more complex combinations of medicines.  The battle
lines have been drawn.

And the battles continue at LD conferences, and in the various State
legislatures where insurance companies, terrified at the high cost of LD, are
attempting to short change patients.  Estimates show that the average cost of
treatment for chronic LD patients ranges from $60,000 to $100,000 per patient.

MAILING LIST:
To keep up with the latest developments, including new treatment protocols,
research news and political events, we introduce the Lyme Disease Electronic
Mail Network.  LymeNet, in association with the Lyme Disease Network of New
Jersey, Inc., with provide you with a periodic newsletter with the latest
information.  All you need is an Internet- accessible e-mail address.

INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS INCLUDE:
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: pm3b+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Pam J. McAllister")
Subject: Re: Falconry
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:38:54 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am posting a little late on this subject, but I just wanted to voice
my opinion in favor of this subject. I find it very interesting and
would appreciate its inclusion in this group.

Pam McAllister


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: andre.trudel@acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel)
Subject: Trained Canadian Pheasant Dogs
Organization: Acadia University
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:39:45 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Does anyone know where I could purchase a trained pheasant
dog in Canada? Preferably one of the pointing breeds.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm not having
much luck in my dog hunt.


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: German Pointers - go for it!
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:06 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.084527.25677@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer) writes:
 
>Forget the labradors, save them for the driven pheasant shoot or for
>the foreshore. A GSP is every bit as good at retrieving as a lab, and
>has some GO in it, as well.
 
Tell the truth, you said that just to get a rise outta me, didn't you?  I
give you that you won't get any points out of a Lab, but then you won't
spend all day running to get to a dog that had so much GO that by the
time you get to the bird, you are so winded that you couldn't possibly
shoot.  If you want to build up (name-your-favorite-breed-here), then
fine.  But save the degrading for a breed you have a least a smidgen of
knowlege about.  Any Lab worth feeding has far more GO than the person
behind him.
 
>Get some books on the breeds, and preferably see some working before you
>choose your breed. Once you've decided on breed, only buy from working
>stock. And don't rush: buy in haste, repent at leisure.
 
Good advice.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: john@cutler.com (John E. Babbitt Jr.)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: Cutler & Company, Inc., Medford OR (503) 770-9000
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:07:33 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.090451.12045@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
> 
> Here's a special recipe for all my friends at rec.hunting.

Looks delicious.  I shall have to try it!

> By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't

Hmmm, I thought it's illegal to sell venison.  At least, that's what I
understand for Oregon.  I'd love to buy moose, caribou, and other
meats from cud-chewing hooved mammals (camel, I wonder?), since one
can't hunt for it in Oregon.

Regards,

John E. Babbitt, Jr.        {UUCP: ...hplabs!hp-pcd!orstcs!cutler!john}
Senior Programmer/Analyst   {Internet: john@cutler.com}
Cutler & Company, Inc.      {Phone: 503/770-9000 (voice) 503/770-9014 (tt)}
Medford, Oregon  97504      {Disclaimer: What I say is my personal opinion}



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