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From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: New to Good Beer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:41:03 GMT



I've been drinking swill water for the past few years.  Although
I have had my share of good/great beers, somehow I had settled
into a comfortable routine of drinking Busch/Natural Light and so
forth.  I happened upon this group and have been drinking good
beers lately.  The best I have found is Samuel Adams Boston Lager.

Let me explain why.

I think it is a good transitional beer between the mega-swills and
the more esoteric beers discussed in this group.  For example, yesterday
I sampled Pete's Wicked Ale.  Granted, it was great.  But, it reminded
me of too much of the home-brew that my cousin used to brew on his farm.
Too overpowering for my tastebuds at this point.  Certainly I accept
the fact that this may change as I gain more beer experience/appreciation.

I am concerned that this SA brewmaster Koch may be some sort of psycho,
as per the articles recently posted about him.  Give him his due,
however.  He brews a good beer that can be an absolute revelation for
the neophyte.

Will we see the day soon that beers the quality of Samuel Adams compete
pricewise with the run of the mill American beers?  If SA were about
$3.90 a sixpack versus the $5.59 it costs in my area, I am certain that
there would be a great realignment in North American drinking habits
(you Canadians are welcome to try it too).

Jim
From: slndw@cc.usu.edu (Mark Taratoot)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer and Chocolate
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:53:28 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov18.201708.330@news.acns.nwu.edu>, mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick) writes:
> Here's a suggetsion I haven't posted for a little while.
> 
> On a warm sunny day go to your favorite picnic spot and bring along some Bass  
> Ale and a Dove dark chocolate bar.  Take one square of Dove and chew it until  
> it becomes creamy, then fill your mouth with the ale.  This is a wonderful  
> combination.  I have started a semi-cult trend among two or three diifferent  
> groups.  Substituting different beers is always a good idea, but Dove is the  
> very best chocolate.
> 
> Happy eating (and drinking).
> 
> matt dick
> msd@cutie.acns.nwu.edu

or, you could just make beer with chocolate in it.  I have a couple of
batches that I added 4oz unsweet chocolate per 5 gal of stout.  You could
even use lots more for an interesting brew if you really like chocolate.  
However, beware: chocolate adds its own bitterness in addition to
dark grains and hops.

-toot
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Good English Ales
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:38:23 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Bass has been one of my favorite beverages for quite sometime now...I
also enjoy Newcastle's Brown Ale and recently introduced myself to the
pleasure of drinking Double Diamond...(I was interested to note that
DD, like Bass, is brewed in Burton-on-Trent).  Can any of you in
net/beer land recommend any other like ales?

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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Head calming?
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:41:12 GMT

> ssuchalr@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (S. J. Chalker) writes:

>I have only recently been introduced to the delights of Real Ale, and I
>have found that when I drink it, the beer very soon becomes completely flat.
>I have even had a drink at the same time as a friend, and his beer still had
>some head left around the side of the glass. Mine was completely flat.

The lack of a "head" does not mean that a beer is flat.  A beer has enough
carbonation if you can feel the "bite" of the CO2 in your mouth.  The
carbonation does not have to be visible.  I have learned this through
experience with my homebrews.

If indeed, the beer had gone flat then it was not a quality product.

[Or you drink *way* too slow :-]

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From: M.Enderby@daresbury.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Head calming?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:43:08 GMT
Reply-To: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk ()
Organization: SERC Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.

I'm certainly not from the south. The issue is nothing to do with heads
on beer. If the beer does not have natural condition then no amount of
sparkler/swan necks etc is going to save it. The condition is intrinsic
to the beer - not it's method of serving.
This leads to an interesting discussion on how beers are served. 
Generally beers designed to be served with a head have to be more 
highly conditioned that those that aren't since the sparkler will
knock some condition out of the beer. Beers  like Tetleys tend to be
over conditioned if served without a sparkler (or on gravity) and
beers such as Youngs can be lacking in condition when served through
a tight sparkler. This has led to swan necks and sparklers appearing
down south to serve Tetley's, unfortunately, they then serve southern
beers through them which destroy their character (this has probably
nothing to do with the fact that they can then get away with short measure
;-) )
I'm a great believer in drinking beer on it's home patch in it's
normal state - ie with tight head/loose head/no head etc - that way
you appreciate it better !
Cheers,
	Mark
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From: stuart@violet.uchicago.edu.cs (Stuart A Kurtz)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Reply-To: stuart@violet.uchicago.edu.cs
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., The University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:28:52 GMT

> Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
> Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
> impotent-both spiritually and physically.
> 
> 		This is from Jason.

And no smiley!  Perhaps assuming that the original posting was serious
is in error, but as Luther said, "Sin boldly, but trust God more boldly
still!"

Jason,

As far as I know, Islam and Mormon are the only major religions in the
west that view the drinking of alcohol for pleasure as intrisically
sinful (no slight intended if I have missed your personal dry
religion!), yet the overwhelming majority of the ethical police on the
net are Christian.  I assume for this reason that you are Christian.

It would be remarkable for any *Christian* to oppose the consumption of
alcoholic beverages for pleasure.  Jesus himself not only consumed
alcoholic beverages for pleasure (cf. Luke 7:31-35), but is reported to
have miraculously converted water to wine at the wedding at Cana (cf.
John 2:1-11).  So, assuming that you are Christian, you are
  (1) denying the validity of the Gospel testamony concerning Jesus; and/or
  (2) asserting that Jesus was sinful.
To the best of my knowledge, all manifestations of Christianity  likely
to produce ethical police would view either of these propositions as
anathema.

Alcohol, like sex, food, and friends, are all gifts of a loving God.
We can enjoy these gifts responsibly, or abuse them as we choose.
Clearly abusing God's gifts is sinful, but is not also sinful to deny
the giver?

Peace,

Stu
From: "kevin mandoske" <kevin.mandoske@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: homebrewing video
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:16:14 EST
Reply-To: "kevin mandoske" <kevin.mandoske@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Anyone aware of any video's on homebrewing.  Would appreciate a telephone 
number or address where they might be purchased.
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From: cst@bork.nist.gov (Charles S. Tarrio)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Belhaven
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:46:50 GMT

In article <Nov.18.10.10.01.1992.28854@clam.rutgers.edu>  
selby@clam.rutgers.edu (Alan Selby) writes:
> 
> Let me try this again...
> 
> Is there any interest out there in the real world in Belhaven Scottish
> Ale?  I have found this to be one of the best ales around, albeit
> difficult to find and quite expensive in South Jersey (around
> $35/case).  Any comments from the wide world of ale conneseurs?
> 
> Alan Selby <selby@clam.rutgers.edu>
> 
> Remember: Voyeurism isn't dead...We just got stronger lenses!

Belhaven definitely ranks among my favorite brews.  I only drink it in
one particular pub, so I only have one every month or so.  Every time I
take that first sip, I am amazed at how much better it is than I 
remember.

I've tried to duplicate it a couple of times, with no success.  Does 
anyone know what the secret ingredient is?

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From: dmyers@maple.cis.ohio-state.edu (david e myers)
Subject: Re: Do these brews still exist...?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:00:17 GMT

In article <jball.721965761@unixg.ubc.ca> jball@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe E Ball) writes:
>Michael Colburn inquired about the continued existance of a whack of beers
>from some southern place.  I don't know about today, but Blatz was
>available in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, at the Liquor Commissions, at
>least as of a few years back.  We used to buy it for a change, because it
>was cheap - almost as cheap as domestics, about five dollars a six.  That
>was about what, five years ago?  over and out.


     Five dollars a six? I wouldn't call that cheap. Here in central Ohio
   we can get it for around five dollars a twelve. (Maybe it was the 
   difference between Canadian and US dollars.)  Most of the beers listed
   in the original article are still available here. (Haven't seen Hamm's 
   for a while, tho.)

						Dave Myers

   P.S. Sorry 'bout the flag. :)

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From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Originator: robl@macro
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:44:24 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.202507.18847@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mwpeters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Peterson) writes:
|> 
|> Wondering if there is any other beers out there like Thomas Hardy?
|> Or is it unique?

   There are beers that are similar in one way or another (some of the 
stronger Barley Wines and Doppelbocks), but the overall character of Thomas 
Hardy's, especially after it's been aged for a couple of years, is unique. 

   I think the closest I've found is Commonwealth's Winter Warmer, which has
a malty, vinous flavor not unlike mature Thomas Hardy's. But 'closest' is a
relative term, and I can't think of anything that's directly comparable.

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dan@tuborg.auc.dk (Dan Sune Asmussen Kronvold Jaeger)
Subject: Re: Newcastle's
Organization: NKEDBBF Micro-systems
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:03:22


>   Newcastle Brown Ale is one of the best beers made that is easily avalable 
>   and not too expensive.  British and Belgian and Danish beers are best. 
>   Most american beers are pisswater.
>
>   Has anyone tried:
>   1) Le fruit Defandu, from Belgium.
>   2) Mackeson's Triple Stout
>   3) Yuengling Porter
>   4) Sam Smith's Winter Welcome Brew
>   5) Duvel
>   6) Thor
>   7) Tuborg
>   8) Belgian Lambics
>
>   Keep drinking the Good stuf.
>
>   Jonathan Disegi
>   Boston University
>   (jdisegi@acs.bu.edu)


You named the beers Tuborg and Thor. Could you be more specific because there
are several different Tuborg's and Thor's. As far as I know there are about
7 or 8 different types of these beers. 
 But anyway ... I like them all (Tuborg and Thor), and I'm looking forward to
try some of all the other beers discussed here on this channal - it seems that
there is something missing in my life.

So many beers - so little time !

--Dan


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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:53:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

(Joel Plutchak) writes:
>
>   See my previous articles for some sketchy details.  Koch has/is
>suing a couple of brewpubs (Boston Beer Works and Commonwealth Brewery).
>I'm not a lawyer, but I'd guess he doesn't have sole rights to the word
>"Boston."

Boston is on the east cost of England, just north of the site of the
very wonderful Bateman's brewery, winner of recent beer festivals etc.
The Pilgrim Fathers started their journey to 'merka just north of Boston
at the port of Immingham before skirting the east then south coasts, picking
up heretic outcasts (pilgrims :) at several points and leaving for 
the colonies from Plymouth.

Now does anyone know anybody with the name Sam Adams?


Hugh
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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Bud
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:57:23 GMT

In article <27612@oasys.dt.navy.mil> smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt) writes:
>
>    Is Sam Adams considered a Pilsner?  I don't think so.  Most mega
>brews like Bud, Miller, etc. are "Pilsner style" beers.  I'd suggest
>a less dramatic first step for someone accustomed to Bud Dry.  Pilsner
>Urquell is an idea.  Baderbrau (from near Detroit) is another.  Both
>are high quality flavorful pilsners.  Sam Adams lager is heavier and
>stronger tasting than a lot of "ales" available, like most from Canada.
>It's good brew, but it might be too big a leap for someone raised on
>Bud Dry.

Budmilloors bears about as much resemblence to a good Pilsener such as
Pilsener Urquell as dirty dishwater does to champagne.  Sam Adams is much
closer to a Pilsener that the blasphemous majors.  Baderbrau is from
near Chicago, Elmhurst, I think, and while a Pilsener of sorts is inferior
to Legacy Lager, also brewed in Chicago.  I have not had Sam Adams Lager 
recently, but others say it is like some Pilseners (nor will I buy it after 
hearing that they are sueing a Boston Micro for using the cities name.  I
mean, it is despicable that a brewery that brews in Pittsburgh is sueing
a brewery that brews in Boston for using thei city's name).


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+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: st902627@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: brewing
Reply-To: st902627@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:44:19 GMT

Hey, I'm going to start brewing my own in a coupla weeks and if anybody out there has any ideas I'd be thrilled to hear em!
From: jason@nast.mcl.ucsb.edu (Jason Sarner)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Coors!!!???
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:40:31 GMT

In article <osminer.722116230@spot.Colorado.EDU> osminer@spot.Colorado.EDU  
(OSMINER MATTHEW COREY) writes:
> Some people have no taste.  Don't believe a word of what Coors  
advertises.
> Besides the fact that they make a weak beer with absolutely no flavor
> they hardly use "PURE ROCKY MOUNTAIN SPRING WATER!"  I live 20 miles
> from Coors in Boulder and they use Idaho Springs' sewage water that
> runs downstream to them in Golden.  I mean really folks! Try a homebrew
> or at least go out and buy soe Pete's Wicked Ale!
> 
> another profound opinion!

"There is no such thing as bad beer,  Some is just better than others!!"
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Please post 53 reasons why beer is better than womem
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:10:54 GMT

> Re: Please post 53 reasons why beer is better than womem

Sorry, I'm partial to "womem" myself.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Beer and Chocolate
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:39:53 GMT

hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom) writes:

>Tonight I heard an interesting suggestion from the brewmaster at Great
>Lakes Brewing: put a scoop of vanilla ice cream in a bowl, then pour
>about 1/2 a bottle of their Porter over it, and top with a fudge
>brownie.  Hmmm...mebbe it's time to use up the rest of my Ghirardelli
>stash...

I tried this with a bottle of my latest homebrew batch:  a Porter!

Now I must thank you very, very much for such a great suggestion!!
The Porter is sweet in its own right and mixing it with the ice
cream and brownie was, well, DAMNED GOOD!

allen
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:53:34 GMT

> the answer is wine. remember the story of the loafs of bread and fish. well
> what goes with fish except wine?

beer

matt dick
msd@courtney.acns.nwu.edu
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From: zedaker@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.172852.7409@midway.uchicago.edu>  
stuart@violet.uchicago.edu.cs (Stuart A Kurtz) writes:
> > Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
> > Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
> > impotent-both spiritually and physically.
> > 
> > 		This is from Jason.
> 
> And no smiley!  Perhaps assuming that the original posting was serious
> is in error, but as Luther said, "Sin boldly, but trust God more boldly
> still!"
> 
> Jason,
> 
> As far as I know, Islam and Mormon are the only major religions in the
> west that view the drinking of alcohol for pleasure as intrisically
> sinful (no slight intended if I have missed your personal dry
> religion!), yet the overwhelming majority of the ethical police on the
> net are Christian.  I assume for this reason that you are Christian.
> 
> It would be remarkable for any *Christian* to oppose the consumption of
> alcoholic beverages for pleasure.  Jesus himself not only consumed
> alcoholic beverages for pleasure (cf. Luke 7:31-35), but is reported to
> have miraculously converted water to wine at the wedding at Cana (cf.
> John 2:1-11).  So, assuming that you are Christian, you are
>   (1) denying the validity of the Gospel testamony concerning Jesus;  
and/or
>   (2) asserting that Jesus was sinful.
> To the best of my knowledge, all manifestations of Christianity  likely
> to produce ethical police would view either of these propositions as
> anathema.
> 
> Alcohol, like sex, food, and friends, are all gifts of a loving God.
> We can enjoy these gifts responsibly, or abuse them as we choose.
> Clearly abusing God's gifts is sinful, but is not also sinful to deny
> the giver?
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Stu

****I couldn't have said it better myself, Stu.  --Pam****
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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Beer Fest 1992
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:15:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.184812.10246@bradford.ac.uk> S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER) writes:
>Good to see Guinness with a presence, even if they did bring the execrable harp
>with them -- a true "Black and Tan" (Ask Ulick for the derivation ;-)) is made
>from stout and bitter, not stout an lager -- lager tends to be too thin.

Well, it's quite simple.  Guinness is Black (well very dark ruby), and a bitter
is tan (lager really isn't), so you call the combination a Black 'n' Tan :-).
As regards other balck and tans, so called because they wore a combination
of civilian and military surplu ware (usually black and khaki), they have 
nothing to do with beer, except that their arrival was around the same 
time as another evil British introduction to Ireland - closing time :-).
(I may be wrong about this, though the introduction of the weird hours in
England and Wales, was because you couldn't have soldiers fighting with
faulty shells assembled by drunk araments plant workers.  From the same 
global mindset that caused prohibitions the world over).


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Originator: robl@macro
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:15:06 GMT


In article <1ebeagINNd2j@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
|> ...Calling it [Thomas Hardy's] a barley wine, therefore, is hardly
|> innaccurate.  (On the other hand, calling Sam Adams Lager a Pilsner
|> would be).

   Out of curiosity, why (unless you're using the purist definition whereby
a Pilsner must come from Pilsen) would calling Sam Adams Lager a Pilsner
be inaccurate?
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