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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:29:02 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Jazz - delicious hot, disgusting cold!

Jumping into the discussion between Tim & Hosko on 'hearing' music...

I can, on a gut level, sympathize with Hosko's reaction that music should
be able to stand 'naked', without the listener doing any work, but as soon
as I start thinking about it I agree with Tim that there is a lot more going
on than just a closed-loop reaction between the music and the listener. By
that, I mean neither the listener nor the music are without external influences
that shape the experience. Not only that, but the listener's emotional state
obviously has a strong effect on perception. For example, I just received my
copy of Miles Davis's Four & More/My Funny Valentine, which is a complete
concert recorded in 1964. Reading the liner notes, I discovered that the show
was held as a benefit for registering black voters in Mississippi and
Louisiana, and that Miles made a decision that everybody in his group would
play for free, which created a lot of tension as they went out to perform.
I don't see how knowing that can possibly *not* affect my perception when I
get home and listen to this music.

As for hearing music, I'm certainly no expert on the field, but I do know
that our brains have a 'pattern recognition' manner of perception. When we
are unfamiliar with the signal, or pattern, meaning is difficult to obtain.
I think of music as a language in that sense - upon initial exposure to a new
musical genre, jazz for example, the brain is not able to derive much meaning
from the music because there is no (or very little) recognition of the
language in use. If I pick up a book written in German, for example, the
patterns of letters on the page will have no meaning to me. If I read a page
written in English, the words have instant meaning because I'm familiar with
them. If I see a page in French (with which I have a small level of literacy),
I can obtain meaning, but only by doing significant work mentally. If I
practice reading French and become more familiar with the language, obtaining
meaning becomes much easier. I've found that this principle applies to music
(and other areas, of course). My initial experiences with jazz and classical
followed this paradigm. As I've heard more of each type of music, my ability
to hear each new piece and have a certain level of appreciation has risen.

That's not to say I have much of a technical understanding, or that music has
to have a definite 'meaning', or that many pieces of music don't require
repeated listening to 'get'. Sometimes 'getting' a piece of music occurs over
an extended period of time, and sometimes it occurs instantaneously. I have no
idea why that happens - I suspect there are lots of complex factors involved
that would take me too much mental work to get into right now ;-)

Paul 'my brain hurts now' Heroy
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: a melody that I know not the name of....

Ooooh, Mike, it's "Love Is Blue"

	Green, green my jealous heart
	Blue is my world
	Now we are apart.

are just some of the wonderful lyrics to this.  I believe Tom Jones
did the lyrics to this, and that the originator of the instrumental
version was Bert Kaempfert, but I may be wrong on both.

Was this a test?
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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      buckethead

   That Buckethead guy has been writing columns in Guitar mag. for a while
now.  I always thought he was somebody like Vai in disguise.  Praxis sure
sounds like a hot band; is Transmutation their only offering?

Russ
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Homsexuals
              6 Nov 1992 14:12:21 CST from <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>

On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:12:21 CST Dave said:
>I'm not sure you really thought about that nefore you wrote it.
>Otherwise you'd realize that unless you're a prospective mate (or at
>least partner) that's not really any of your business.  I mean people
>don't go around asking you if you're heterosexual do they?
>    One's sexual orientation is an entirely private matter and is
>privy only to the individual and the one they're with.  This isn't a
>flame, only a friendly admonishment.

I did think about it my point was if there's mo problem with being gay than
there's no problem admitting it. I'll admit it i'm heterosexual and not ashamed
to admit it.....Are you ashamed.................L.W.
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From:         SOUND CAN WASH CLOTHES <TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET>
Subject:      RMUSIC???

Perhaps I'm just daft, but what is the purpose of RMUSIC-l? I'm all for a
little healthy competition, but it seems like having two music lists
divides us rather than strenghening us. I'm not sure I can deal with twice
as much mail, and if I have an obscure music question to bring up, I have
to write to two different lists, and unless you are on both lists, you miss
half the discussion. I don't know, I just don't see the point.....

                                                         Tom

P.S. Was there some problem with ALLMUSIC? Were we getting to eclectic for
our own good? Just wondering.....
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:31:00 EST
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Subject:      sound insulation

>From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

>OMC:  We're building a practice room in my cellar.  What's a good cheap
>source of sound insulation?

Mattresses.  Seriously.  We called all the apartment buildings and hotels
in town and asked if they had any mattresses they were discarding.  It
took a while, but we collected enough to completely line the walls and
the ceiling of our basement.  We could run the amps at eleven all hours
of the night without complaints from the neighbors who were only the width
of a driveway away.  The drawbacks were the lowered ceiling was troublesome
for the taller musicians, and it did get awfully stuffy during the summer.
I have fond memories of that basement.  We even videotaped a show for
public access there.

Our landlord did tell us that for a while we were the talk of local
landlords association:  "Did those guys call you about mattresses?" 8-)

And when the band finally abandoned the house, the mountain of mattresses
piled on the curb for the trashmen fueled *lots* of speculation from
the neighbors. 8-)  I had suggested we just leave 'em up and stick a
leg iron, low stool, and food bowl in one corner. 8-)

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:02:03 -0500
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: Anyone recognized these lyrics?

>Hey there Allmusic addicts!  I was wondering if anyone might know
>these lyrics.  I cant remember all of them, but here a few from memory....
>
>        Sunshine go away today, I don't fell like singing......
>
>Verse?  How much does it cost? I'll buy it.
>
>Who sings this?

I think it's a Cat Stevens tune, but I'm not sure.

Anybody?

Jeremy

"Love makes you feel like a roadkill porcupine; all warm, wet, and prickly,
        But still dead." - jkh
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Subject:      Re: GUY FAWKES

OK, Allmusicdom, get ready to observe Guy Fawkes Day.  Hope you're all behaving
; don't forget that the Inquisition never rests (or is very far away).
I'll be checking the Digest to see who's been naughty (or nice).

Renato "L" Barahona
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Get ready because tomorrow's the big day.  According to Customs and Ceremonies
of Britain (Charles Kightly), the supposed Guy Fawkes Plot was exploded early
on the morn of 5 November.  The following are to be done:

bells pealed, cannons fired, beer drunk, bonfires lit.  Also get yourself a
"guy," dress him in period clothing, take him through the streets reciting
the rhyme found elsewhere as you beg for "fireworks money"--or recite "Guy,
guy, guy, Poke him in the eye, Put him on the bonfire, And there lit him die."
Roast the "Guy" and watch his death throes (do not add the live cats to make him
 wiggle).  Roast sausages and potatoes in the fire and then set off the fire
works.  Also eat "Bonfire Parkin" (oatmeal cake) or "Plot Toffee."  You may
 wishto omit the carrying of burning barrels and the shouting of "No Popery."
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:00:18 -0500
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What Makes It This or That

From: MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: RE: What Makes It This or That

> Labelling is an animal action, attaching self-identity
>to the label is a human action.  If we stop labelling things, or
>categorizing things into smaller and smaller things, will it
>take our freedom away, or will it give us freedom to try other things?
>
>Hmmmm.....

Professors of Education love to throw around the term "schema." Don't look
this up in your dictionaries, because the definition I'm gonna give isn't what
you'll find when you look up the word. According to this theory, people learn
new things by relating them to other things that they have previously
encountered. Labelling helps fill this function of learning. When someone sees
something they have never seen before, they're going to ask "What is that?"
You can't answer this question without using a label. If there were no labels
we'd be pretty damn stupid.

Now granted, half the times labels are used, they are used improperly. Now
excuse me while I pick up my guitar and play some jazzy heavy metal new age
world music. 8)

-Adam [HUMAN]
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:07:44 EST
From: <JDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: U2 Lyrics...

I'm looking for the lyrics to a song called 'Sweetest Thing'.  It was on
the tape titled 'Where the Streets Have No Name.'  The tape included
Where the Streets..., Race against Time, Silver and Gold, and Sweetest Thing.
If anyone could send me the lyrics or point me to a place where I will find
them... I'd be most appreciative.  Thanks.

-Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:01:00 EST
From:         LAURAL@MIDD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

Marsha-
        I was overseas for my junior year in St. Andrews, Scotland, and the
Univ. had an a cappella group (women's) called the Dulcet Tones.  Only eight
of us, and we weren't technically a cappella, cos one of our members
occassionally played double base.  No tapes I'm afraid.  Wish we did have some!
It was very low key, and zero $$$, so the only recording we could have made
was off a portable recorder, which couldn't deal with the double bass.
        I collect a cappella tapes too, but don't have many (does that make
sense?)  I've got the Franklin& Marshall women's group, some U. Delaware co-ed,
   and incredibly poor recordings of the other two groups in St. Andrews.  Plus
I've got the two groups here at Middlebury College where I'm at school now.
        Lemme know if any of those sound of interest to ya, and I could get ya
copies!

Later,
Laura L
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:33:38 CST
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      SEEKING INFORMATION...

Hi, gang... I've been on another list from the beginning of the semester,
and will alternate between the two, due to the high volume of mail from
both.  I have a question for the dude who gave me the information on
CHICAGO a few weeks back.
           CAN YOU TELL ME ANYTHING NEW???
STILL trying to add a bit more to the story you told me.
I've heard two stories concerning Daniel Seraphine:
1. He got messed up on dope in Tahiti
2. He's gone into Production now...
If he's in Production now, I'd love to get an internship with either him
or David Foster as my supervisor... (heheheh....G smiles, she know this
can't happen, she don't have the money!!!)
ANYWAYS:  I'm looking forward to "Chicago 22".
Please post any information you can come up with.
As I said, I've not been on ALLMUSIC for a few weeks, so it is due to that
reason that your first name escapes me.  Forgive me, please??? It won't
happen again!
Promise!
"Chicago Fan ... for Life!"
"G"


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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:07:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Deep Purple

>From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>

>What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?

"Child In Time" - monster bass riff which tends to show up in a lot of songs
the first three albums with Rod Evans on vocals
and, sigh, I have to confess a nostalgic fondness for "Smoke On The Water"
as having it in our set list enabled my band to survive the Mount Pleasent
Senior Prom back in the mid-seventies 8-)

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:58:48 EST
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Recommendation for opera-phobes et al.

 Last night I rented a video of P.D.Q. Bach's The Abduction of Figaro.
Schickele's genius especially shines through on this one -- it's a
parody of the entire genre of "simply grand opera", musically, lyrically
and dramatically. If you're a despiser of opera like Tim Johnson is, you can
still get lotsa laffs out of this one for the lampooning of all the stuff
about it that particularly irks you to no end.
 If you're like Michael Bloom and ardently believe that "99% of all operas
are based on roughly half a dozen plots", or whatever the results of his
calculations were, no doubt you'd say that this was among the remaining 1%.
 And if you're a devoted and knowledgable follower, like dear Marsha, then
you'll get all the puns and references and appreciate it on a higher level,
chuckling understandably throughout the whole piece.
 Fans of the pedal steel guitar, tap dancing, Cuban rhumbas, and Dashiell
Hammett will also be pleasantly surprised. A few ballet references that
were unfamiliar to me, though, but still funny.
 Not to mention some Prokofiev bits, Tim. Have I sold you yet?
 ... Oh yeah, I almost forgot. If you're living near Boston (still got your
 attention, Michael?), check out the eminently distinctive and pompous
 voiceover of Evening at Symphony's own William Pierce as the offscreen
host.
   P.D.Q. Bach always scores high on my personal Laff-o-Meter. In this work
he breaks the damn thing.
   So try to rent it if you can, and send me your remarks. I'll take personal
responsibility if you don't like it.

   A public ALLMUSIC service from
   Rick
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From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Soul Music
              Masuda" at Nov 5, 92 9:29 pm

>> Mario asks:
>> >Who can recomend a good Soul singer?
>>
>> I can.  How about Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles?
>> For something a little funkier, James Brown.
>> For something a little older, Billie Holliday.
>> For something a little jazzier, Al Jarreau.
>>
>> Mike Masuda
>>
>Good reply Mike--
>
>I would add Wilson Pickett as quintessential soul.
>
>Soulful Sonia

And what about Al Green for a little laid-back soul?

BTW, I saw Alexander O'Neal last year in concert - he looks really fat &
revolting, but boy has he got a good voice.

Hosko
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 11:30:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@OSHKOSHW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Order

Date sent:  3-NOV-1992 10:32:21
>Well, I haven't heard much of New Order's stuff since _Substance_ came out, so
>I was commenting on what he sounded like 5 years ago. Didn't mean to imply he's
>a washout now...Don't take things so literally  B-)

Sorry to take the stuff you say so literally, but that's just the way I am.
When I write something, I TRY to write exactly how I mean.  So when I read
other peoples mail, I take it the same way.

Anyway, I love _Substance_, but I recommend that you try _Technique_, and
definetly ask my opinion when the new album comes out in January.

>Again, don't read the wrong things into what I'm saying. I didn't give any
>flack to "alternative" groups for using electronic instruments, just said that
>New Order uses them a bit too much for my liking. Just my taste. There's a lot
>of other British alternative bands that I do like...

But you're not saying you don't like New Order?

>"Gloom and doom" also wasn't meant as a criticism. Just a generalization so
>that I could make my point that New Order stands out a bit from "that crowd"
>because of it's strong use of the bass.
>
>Anyway, "All generalizations aren't worth a damn, including this one". These
>days the media and those nice perky folks on Entertainment Tonight are using
>"alternative" to mean the Seattle scene.

Understood.

>Later,
>
>Bob T

Peace,

Mike
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:29:47 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roy Blount, Jr.

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:46:37 PDT David Malbuff said:
>>   This was the beginning of the end for the "solid South."  Trivia question
>>   for extra credit:  Why was the South a one-party bastion for so long?
>
>That's easy. The Republicans were responsible for "Reconstruction". (And if
>you think I don't like 'deconstruction', try me on 'Reconstruction'! :-))
>It took over 100 years for a Southern state to vote Republican again (1972).
>
Dingdingdingdingding!  That's right!  Johnny, tell Mr. Malbuff what he's won!

Well, Mr. Malbuff you've won a complete video edition of Ken Brooks' Civil
War series, along with a massive middle-class tax increase!

For the other side of this issue (late 19th-century radical Republicanism)
listen to John Prine's "Grandpa Was a Carpenter," the chorus of which goes:

Grandpa was a carpenter; he built houses, stores, and banks
Chain-smoked Camel cigarettes, and pounded nails in planks
He was level on the level, and shaved even every door,
And voted for Eisenhower, 'cause Lincoln won the war.

Even today in the South, when people talk about "the war" it is an even bet
that they're talking about the Civil War, which, in the South, is always
called "The War Between the States," or "The War of Northern Agression."
Virginia, for example, does not officially recognize Lincoln's birthday,
but does celebrate Robert E. Lee's birthday.  Those of you with a sense of
irony will appreciate that Lee's birthday is now celebrated in conjunction
with Martin Luther King day.

Favorite Abraham Lincoln quote: "I hope that God is on our side, but we
must have Kentucky."

-Scott "Historicity" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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              "ALLMUSIC@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Nov 9, 92 2:16 pm

>
> OMC:  We're building a practice room in my cellar.  What's a good cheap
> source of sound insulation?

Egg cartons, lottsa lottsa egg cartons--seriously!


The Bloomin Bloomdido mentioned Amy Denio; I recently got my first exposure to
her on a tape sent for review by ROTCOD ZZAJ, which (the review) will appear in
the latest I.N. ... Unfortunately the tape had undergone some traumatic
experiences on its flight around the world and I only managed to listen to one
side
of it before it decided to self-destruct, which was somewhat nervewracking
for the reviewer... but one of the things that really struck me and stayed with
me was that "fluid bass."  I was INCREDIBLY impressed by Amy Denio, ca va sans
dire but I just said it anyway.

Hey all youse---order I.N.#7 from the ROTCOD if you want to be cooler than
cool.

Sonia
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From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      New Order

> Sorry to take the stuff you say so literally, but that's just the way I am.

Hey, no sweat. I tend to babble a lot and not get my points across clearly :-)

> Anyway, I love _Substance_, but I recommend that you try _Technique_, and
> definetly ask my opinion when the new album comes out in January.

Was _Technique_ a recent album? I seem to remember a song out a few years ago
called "Round and Round". Was that from _Technique_? It wasn't too bad...Yes,
please pass on your opinion of their new CD when it comes out. I'd be curious
to see what direction they're headed...

> But you're not saying you don't like New Order?

Well, I do like some of their music ("Bizarre Love Triangle", "Blue Monday",
stuff from their first album...), but after a few songs in a row I tend to get
a little tired of it...

So what other "alternative" bands do you like?

Bob T