From: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Galadin (Craig Linderoth))
Subject: abortion
Reply-To: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:50:46 GMT

	Okay, this is Galadin again.  I just got done reading CD's answer to my
and Kateri's post.  He does raise some good points, but he also misses some of
my points.  The first thing that comes to mind is that I agree with him that 
abortion, adoption, sex education, and such do have to be answered together.
The sad part is that this is not easily done.  With the way the American 
system handles sex is very puritan controlled.  That is, force the only 
education to be abstinence and anything else is their problem.  With the way
that I was arguing, all of these situations would be handled together through
the same agency.  This agency would have to be supported by public dollars 
which is why I said earlier that it would take government funding.  I would
hope for a system where this agency would be independent of the government.
Make it something along the lines that this agency will get so many dollars
and that is it.
	Of course, there is still the problem of the third party counselor. 
Well, we are dealing with humans here and so there is not going to be any
perfect solution.  But, because there is no perfect solution, does that mean we
should not work towards one?  I feel that there has to be a solution out there
that is better than the one that the US has now.  I totally disagree with
granting states their own rights on the abortion issue.  This only gives more
fuel to the state elections for the popularity vote in their state.  Also, if a
stated did make abortion illegal.  How hard would it be to go to another state.
	As for the government running the system.  This is a social issue and
as such should be addressed and handled by soceity.  The organization that
soceity implements to handle issues is suppose to be the government.  As such,
I see no other way than to involve the government in the issue.  As for having
the government control my life, I am not in favor of that.  I would still make
my own individual choices, but there are some choices that do have to be
handled by the government.  Hopefully, I would like to see something where the
choice is handled by a compassionate but impartial judging.  I threw out the
idea of counselor as a way to do this.  Something along the lines of a jury may
be better.  As stated earlier, nothing is going to be perfect.
	Now, on to the issue of backdoor abortions.  It seems to me that you
all are making me out to be a bit heartless and this is far from the case.  The
only problem that I have is that if abortion is made illegal, then it is the
choice of the woman on top of all of the other factors to go to the backdoor. 
If the woman felt that strongly that the abortion was necessary, there is a
chance that the decision would have been made.  Remember, that the majority of
people today are in favor of abortion.  Therefore, there is a good chance that
the decision makers would be more apt to hand them out.  If anything, I would
just like to get another party involved in the decision that don't have the
emotion attached to the choice.  As stated earlier, I do see a need for
abortion which is why I am not saying that it should be outlawed totally.  (As
is different from most right-to-lifers and why I don't submit to most of their
dogma)  The only difference that I have is the idea that a woman should have
total control over the life or death of a child.  
	Since this is not allowed once the child is born, look at the growing
cases of child abuse.  This is not due to more, just to better information and
investigative practises.  I feel that a woman does not have the right to choose
life or death issues on her own whim.  I do feel that since there is no
absolute way of knowing what is right or wrong (just look at the difference of
opinions on this issue and none of them can be called wrong since each person
believes that) but that the choice could be better if there is more people,
especially educated in the areas of psychology, were involved in the decision
making process.
	Oh one last qualifier, I am not morally judging the people who have had
abortions.  This is my own moral beliefs, but I do not use it to judge others. 
I do use it to base my ideas of how the system, in my mind, could be better
handled.  I am trying to work towards an idea that could benefit soceity
overall and as such do like discussion on my ideas.  So CD, I do not take
offense at anything you said.  So feel free to post with any criticisms, good
or bad, just so long as they are thought out.


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