HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bh192@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith D. Cummings)
Subject: Looking for Groups in DC
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:58:04 GMT


'I am preparing to move from Richmond, VA to Washington, DC, and I
am looking for information on social groups for gay men in the
Suburban Maryland area.  Any information you can provide will
be appreciated.  Please e-mail to: csc0kdc@cabell.vcu.edu, as
I do not have ready access to this news group.

Thanks.
-- 
your humble and obedient servant,

k. cummings
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii)
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172614.25119@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>In article <63028@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Steve Dyer opines:
>>>_Hippie Dick_ is even worse.  Not enough "Hippie" or "Dick"
>>>for my taste.
>>In any case, if 


For those of us who are young and un-initiated in these worldly matter, but
who love salivating over such things as hippie dick, where can I write for my
copy?

Peter


-- 
"I'll lose my beard when they shave it from my cold, dead face!"

Quote from the Razor's Anonymous Handbook

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: motss.com
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:11:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.163609.3660@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> It would be VERY nice to
> find a solution to this annual problem.  

I'm kind of curious as to why you see this as a problem.  A
disappointment, perhaps, but a *problem*?

Anyway, as I pointed out, an anticipated dearth of women
is only one of several reasons why I ended up not going.
While I am exceedingly fond of many of the motss regulars
and while I expect that I'll really enjoy meeting them in
the flesh (as it were), I'm currently pretty satisfied with
my electronic interactions.  

Actually, in thinking about it, the virtuality of it all
probably is a defining characteristic of some relationships
I've developed through the net.  I have, in the past, tended
to be somewhat itinerant, and I've greatly appreciated the
fact that I can pack my bags and move to Outer Bumfuck without
these relationships being transformed in any way.  While I
look forward to meeting many of you in person, I do enjoy
the relationships as they currently exist and don't particularly
feel the need to go through the stress of prying myself off
my farm and across the country in order to cement those
relationships.  They're feeling pretty solid to me right now.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:35:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Fiction (was Re: Spanish spelling)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>My CDs might be smaller than your records, but they're harder and
>they last just about forever.

----------
My 78s are larger than your CDs, thicker, heavier, stiffer,
and have _already_ lasted decades.  And they make great white
noise generators, too.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:30:24 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Jul28.142822.18973@news.ysu.edu>, doug@cc.ysu.edu 
   (Doug Sewell) writes:
> I dunno, but my subscription has been VERY erratic, in fact, I've missed
> getting at least one issue since they went perfect-bound.  Their delivery
> wasn't that fantastic in the boonies of NE Ohio anyhow, and their billing
> service for subscriptions also left much to be desired.

     In the 12+ years that I have been subscribing to THE ADVOCATE (across 3
different addresses), there have been a grand total of 5 times that an issue
did not make it to my mailbox within 4 weeks of the "expected" arrival time.

     Each time that I have phoned the Subscription Dept at THE ADVOCATE, they
have sent me the missing issues FREE OF CHARGE.

     Now that I live in Toledo's version of a gay ghetto, I can always check
with my neighbor across the street to see if he is also missing his issue (ours
comes every other Tuesday).  Our big problem with the mail, is that the Letter
Carrier who is usually assigned to our route doesn't make it to my cul-de-sac
until after 5pm.  But when we get someone else filling in (like the regular
person is out sick or on vacation), we sometimes get our mail before Noon!

     Of course the Post Office totally denies that this type of slow service 
could exist.  But this comes from the same people who took 5 days to deliver a
magazine that comes first class, every single week.

     Repeatedly filling out those POSTAL COMPLAINT FORMS may not win you any
friends in the Post Office, but it will help a few months later when they start
getting your mail delivered on time & without shredding it!
-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:00:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.204447.17257@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>) Ry Schwark writes:
>) >Oke, bute can i fukk u? I premise knot too uze ani consananats.
>) IBM and AT&T employees in bed together?  My God, it really is a new world
>) order.
>
>It wouldn't be the first time that an AT&T employee got into bed
>with the enemy, would it, Ry?  Let's bury the hatchet some more...

Gad, so much for me worrying about being discreet...
Anyone feel like drawing a directed graph?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Keywords: @$#!% NewsWatcher bug...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:14:45 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Jul21.212842.5754@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>I think the notion that these morons got propositioned by
>anyone at the march is as likely as Frank Rizzo being
>reincarnated as a drag queen.

Interesting.  I, on the other hand, would find it very surprising if they
were NOT propositioned.  I wonder why this is?

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

That evening in the library Scylla, one of the guests who had certain
anatomical peculiarities, demonstrated the "Lithuanian Typewriter," assisted
by Ronald and Robert, two remarkably well-set-up young men from the village.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:00:26 GMT

jd> Jeff Dauber
gs> Gary Strand

gs> Basically, just because I'm a white het male doesn't mean you can tar me
gs> with the same brush as you do other individuals who happen to be white,
gs> het, and male.

jd> I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.

  That's not the impression I've gotten from your posts. You seem to think
  that there is something inherent in SWMs that makes them bad/evil. Other-
  wise, since some of them are in power, why are things so messed up?

jd> I just think that they have much less understanding of discrimination than
jd> any other group.

  I'm sure Jewish SWMs are coolly laughing at this one. Individuals have an
  understanding of discrimination, not groups, anyway.

gs> Defensive? You bet.

jd> I'll tell you something that you are not going to like, and I bet that 
jd> almost any woman or gay man you ask will agree with me:
jd>   There is one group of people who frighten me more than any other (if 
jd>   I see them on the street, I will get the fuck into a safe place):  
jd>   heterosexual males between the ages of 16 and 25.
jd> Do you fall in that group?  

  No. Do you include non-white young males in your grouping of Bad People?

jd> Do you understand why I am afraid of them?

  To an extent. BTW, how do you know that they're hets? If hets can't tell
  who is and who isn't gay, how can gays tell who is and who isn't het? 

  BTW, this particular group of het males has as little influence with the
  SWMs that form the bulk of the power elite as you do. Why do you suppose
  that they are to be feared? Perhaps because the power elite screws them
  over as bad as anyone else, even though they happen to be het and male?

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32043 soc.bi:9292
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:55:07 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) said...
>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
>hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)

*hand raised in the air*  Um, yes, i do know such people.  I are
such people (and so, conveniently, is my primary partner). :^)

-Coe
-- 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Theta waves are brain waves
Coe L. Salzgeber - San Luis Obispo, CA !  (4-7hz) that are dominant in children
Internet: cjohnson@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU !  ages 2 - 5 and in psychopaths.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:36:35 GMT

jd> Jeff Dauber
gs> Gary Strand

jd> Face it, who runs the government, white heterosexual males.

gs> A *small* subset thereof.

jd> I am not saying "what percentage of white males run the government".  I am
jd> saying "what percentage of top government positions are filled with white
jd> males." Given, I am talking about Amerika.

  Well, the number you desire isn't 100%. There are blacks and women in high
  governmental posts, like the SC, the Cabinet, and so on. And, in any case,
  what difference does it make to a white het male like me? The power elite
  doesn't necessarily feel any attachment to other white het males. Suppose
  a white het male is Jewish, an atheist, an anarchist, a leftist, and so on.
  Would such a person have an automatic "in" into the power elite? I think
  not.

jd> Who runs big business, white heterosexual males.

gs> Again, a *small* subset thereof.

jd> "What percentage of top business positions are filled by white males?"

  Again, less than 100%. And, again, these particular white het males don't
  have any attachment to other white het males.

gs> As far as I can tell, being a member of the powerful elites doesn't have
gs> much to do with one's gender, race, or sexual orientation. It has a lot to
gs> do with some people believing the idea that they themselves are fit to
gs> rule, and no-one else is.

jd> It has a lot more to do with the power structure within a country. 

  Of course. But such power structures care about a mere fraction of everyone
  else, even those that share superficial characteristics with them. I can
  guarantee you that George Bush or Lee Iacocca has as much concern with me
  as they do with you, ie, nil.

jd> If a black woman ran for president of the US and she was clearly the most
jd> qualified, would she get elected?  I doubt it.

  You know what? I agree. Whose fault is that, however, since many more than
  white het males vote. Indeed, if she got the support of everyone besides
  white het males, she'd get elected.

  Basically, just because I'm a white het male doesn't mean you can tar me
  with the same brush as you do other individuals who happen to be white,
  het, and male.

  Defensive? You bet.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:25:17 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Jul21.231530.10016@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.220804.11855@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>Yeah, but how does that relate to the particular?  In Ailsa's case
>the kid is here already, she has had to struggle to bring it up, and
>using her as an exemplar of this "cultural glorification" seems to me
>to miss the mark wildly.  

Sorry, I wasn't attempting to single out Ailsa, but to point out that
she's part of the equation too, and the fact that she's a lesbian
mother doesn't change the fact that she chose to have kid rather than
adopt.  You make some valid points regarding definitions of overpopulation,
and that this is tied up with food and wealth distribution, but in
my mind, there are just too many people on this planet, its too crowded,
and more equitable distribution of wealth and food won't solve that
problem, having less children is the only solution to the problem as
I see it.  

I certainly understand, and greatly respect the desire to raise a child
and teach it.  Its one of the greater things you can do in life, but I
tease this apart from the desire to create new one, when there are plenty
enough around that are in need of love and nuturing.  I abhor the concept
that so many of my straight friends have held that they need one of their
own genetic material to love, and so they add more people to the world
because they are unwilling to take in those already here.

Culturally, I think this is a private decision, and in the end, it must
be, but I think the need to create new children must be questioned
publically, or we will never move away from the blind assumption of so
many in this culture that having children is invariably a good thing.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Results from the Con Part I
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:31:03 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

 >>1G.
 >	Actually it would be 20...  I was counting in hex.

Oh, hell, and I even _knew_ you were; I can't believe I said "1G".

Quick, someone tear up my geek card, and banish me to a life playing
folk guitar to crunchy-granola types.  (Anything but the briar patch!)

 >OK --- let's start up the commemorative motss.con quote file...

"...I like a moose..."  -- 30-odd people embracing in downtown Portland.
No, make that 30-very-odd people.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:29:43 GMT

rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.205314.5787@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>>rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>>: 
>>: It is the attempts to pile a thousand years of inequality upon the shoulders
>>: of those white hetero males who are alive today that is a pile of dung.
>>
>>No, it is the denial by white hetero males who are alive today that they can
>>do anything about a thousand years of inequality, that is the pile of dung.
>>As long as you don't see this, you are yet another (white? hetero?) male 
>>sitting on top of the pile of dung, as the rest of us are getting buried 
>>under it.

>Sorry, I've got better things to do, such as living a life as an individual
>unfettered by historic insignificance.  If you must dedicate your life to
>attempting to allay some guilt that's your business, not mine.

I can't see how you can seriously refer to this pile of dung--which affects
every human being in our society, by the way--as a "historic insignificance,"
simply because you, with your (white? hetero?) male privelege, get to sit
much nearer the top of it than Kathy gets to.  "Am I my sister's keeper?" you 
seem to be saying.  Cain--not a very good role model, I would think.

White hetero male privelege built the pile; such privelege can go a helluva
long way in a very short while towards dismantling it.  But not with
attitudes like you seem to have.

>If you're under a pile of dung, you're going to have to dig your own way out;
>just like I have.  Either that or whine and hope somebody does your growth
>for you.

You've got the tools to help those less priveleged than you.  To refuse so
callously to help tear down the bigotries that we all labour under heaps
contempt on everyone.

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:05:22 GMT

In article <15535@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>In article 22779@ncar.ucar.edu, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>:fj> with total disregard of things like peer-pressure, basic mine-is-mine
>:fj> like-me-not-like-me instincts. People aren't rational.
>:
>:  I disagree strongly. Are you rational? Note that I *didn't* ask if you were
>:  "perfectly" rational. Are you rational enough to avoid sticking a lit match
>:  into your eye? Are you rational enough to avoid running onto a freeway? Are
>:  you rational enough to avoid eating rotten meat? Add in a few more ques-
>:  tions, and yes, you are a sufficiently rational person. Now, why do you be-
>:  lieve so few others are?

>Groups aren't.

>Individuals can be. 'Why would I not sell to that black person? Why
>should I hate that lesbian?' Those doubts can creep into a mind. But
>when faced with a peer-group to tell tham that it's ok to be
>bigoted...I've seen minds close in front of me too many times.

>                                                       FJ!!
So the state should FORCE them open for you, eh?  No for me, thanks.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hanky Code
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:57:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.225710.7860
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul30.164841.4409@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>Q. What's the square root of 69i?
>A. i 8 something.

Well, not really:

Q. What's the square root of 69i?
A. sqrt(2)/2 + sqrt(2)/2 i 8 something

I think Jojo's version is funnier, although you might be able to pull
out a good squirt pun.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Dad's View on Motherhood ( was Re: the b-word
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:28:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1992Jul21.155006.27282@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>
>While I would definitely prefer to see more lesbian mothers than bigot
>mothers, I'd rather see less mothers all around.



My dad once told me, "You don't have to be a woman to be a mother."

ER
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: bobh@troy.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:14:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.232231.25637@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>In article <nkj8qls@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.202834.16597@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>
>A group is not in power.  Individuals are in power.  It is rather typical
>that people who feel persecuted need a scapegoat so they can rally around
>the burning effigy of that scapegoat.  Have you heard of 'white heteros on
>bikes' or maybe 'the national assocation of white heterosexual males'?
>No, because there is no such arrangement.  It is you who are assigning
>some characteristic to white heterosexual males.
>

Wow, everyone just calm down for a second.  The reason there is animosity 
against "white heterosexual males" is that for the most part, the most blatant
exploiters of "minorities" have belonged to that group.  Of course it 
doesn't mean that every WHM will act to exploit others.  To say so is as
racist and intolerant as anything.  Does that mean we should ignore such a 
high correlation between WHMs and exploitation?  I don't think so.  We should
investigate it and see if we can't identify what seems to tie the two together.
I'd guess that it turns out to be a problem with human nature in general, and
the history of this country gave the WHM the upper hand to begin with (through
very blatant racism and intolerance) and that many WHMs have been able to hold
onto that edge very effectively.

And, by the way, there *are* groups which are essentially for WHMs only, and
some of them in the present and in the past have a lot of power and influence:
the KKK, certain "secret" fraternal orders, "exclusive" country clubs and 
neighborhoods, and nepotism come to mind.  They are not necessarily furthering 
*any* WHM, but they certainly do act to further *certain* and often
*exclusively* WHMs.

-Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:14:59 GMT

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:18:20 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Jul28.131212.21060@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jon@Turing.ORG 
   (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
> 
> Can anyone put me onto a distributor of The Advocate? Thanks....
> 

     How about calling THE ADVOCATE and letting them know, directly, that they
lost their local distributor:   #213-871-1225

     OR write to them:  Post Office Box 4371, Los Angeles CA  90078-4371
-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: moorlore@ux1.isu.edu (Loreli Moore)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:35:11 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.motss