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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Road tires
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:07:28 GMT

In article <5960@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>
tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg) writes:
 
>
>Any one had experience with Performance-brand tires such as the EX/K, GT/K, ST/K
>models?
>
>--Joe.
>
 
I put a set of 700x25 EX tires on my spare bike. The rear suffered a sidewall
failure after about 120 miles on a wind stand. I went back to Michelin
Hi-Lite Comps. They cost 25% less, so why bother with the Performance? The
Michelin is much bigger than the 25mm Performance, and, to my thinking,
much more suited to city pavement. I still have the other 25mm EX on the
front, though, where it's accumulated about 150 road miles. Seems okay,
but I'll be putting a Michelin on it soon. It's probably a matter of
size, but I much prefer the feel of the 700x23 Michelin. Smoother ride and
it seems to corner better.
 
I also tried a set of Performance's low-end sewups on my track bike. Sidewall
failure in 2 miles. (Yes, that's how far I was from home ;-) )
 
         --mike
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: Road Tires
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:02:50 GMT

In article <30!nsh_.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>If it'a any consulation I have said before that there are
>valid reasons why I use Continental Grand Prix's:
>
>I use the steel bead version. It slips on and off of my aero
>rims (Campi and Matrix) without tools. I like this feature that 
>is missing from many tires. Try that with a Michellin HD.
>
>The Continental uses natural rubber over a nylon casing that
>has a nice feel to it. Anyone that rides one and then immediately
>tries the Michellin will tell the difference. It doesn't require
>laboratory instrumentation.
>

OK, I'll bite!  I've had to replace my Michelin Super Compe HD on the rear at the 
1500 mile point, and now that I'm at 3,000 miles it looks like its getting close
to that time again.  The only thing wrong with the front is that it is starting to
get that "aged" look too (yellowed sidewalls, half a dozen nicks out of 'em, etc.).
I must admit, though, that I LIKE the way they feel, they have never slipped in the
rain, and I've NEVER had a flat tire.  So why change?  Dunno... both you and Sam
Henry appear to have ridden on both and you both say the same thing.

So, where do you get the best deal on these Continental Grand Prixs?  Mail order?
You guys mention that they cost a lot, but just what is a good deal on these tires?
Ever put 'em on Mavic Open 4CD rims?  How about with Madison Air-Seal latex tubes?
What width Conti would you use if you weighed 200 lbs? Inquiring minds want to know!


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BERLINER MARTIN)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:47:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.172416.9170@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
>When descending, use the rear brake only, lightly, and
>only when required.  Get your center of gravity down,

Not if you need to slow down.  It has been reiterated several times on this
newsgroup that the majority of your braking force is realized by the use
of your front brake.  Otherwise, you'll skid all the way into the gravel on the
side of the road when you cannot slow down adequately for the turn ahead, as
your rear wheel will be locked.

Marty Berliner
berliner@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:54:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bt4yq8.4oz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>This guy is very wrong that most people didn't use mass transit.  In fact they
>did.  Thats what trains and ships are all about.  Thats what the canals were
>built for. 

You are mistaking long distance mass transportation for short and/or
medium distance transportation. Even today, most long distance 
transportation needs are fulfilled by mass transit.


B
> In fact what happened is that after WWII the Oil, Automobile and
>runner industries got together and bought up all the bus lines and railroads
>and closed them down.  They also convinced the government (through generous
>"campaign contributions"/bribes) that we needed a super-highway system to
>handle any necessary troop mobilizations against the Soviets.  Of course all
>this was illegal so it's not surprising that a number of comapnies were
>charged and brought before the supreme courts.  They got off with a small
>fine.  One of those things the high school textbooks don't tell you about.

1) There was nothing illegal about one transportation manufacturer
buying another. Do you have some sort of evidence to the contrary?
2) The superhighway system was needed as was evidenced by the 
stupendous economic growth brought about by the installation of that 
system.
>
>>>In order for any progress to be made it will be necessary to retain a
>>>good economy so that it can finance necessary changes. Massive tax
>>>burdens on automobile drivers, no matter how well intentioned, will
>>>only make matters infinitely worse.
>
>>Not if those fees are linked with decreases in income taxes.  Not if

Yeh, we have sure seen how much our government can or will reduce
taxes. Are you from outer space? :-)
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:09:15 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


In article <92226.171523RCHASE@ESTEC.BITNET>, RCHASE@ESTEC.BITNET (Richard Chase) writes:

>I don't know the statistics for life expectency in Britain, but I have
>seen reports on the BBC at various times about trying to improve the
>eating habits there since heart disease is a major cause of death.  So
>I wouldn't claim the British experience as proof of the benefits of a
>fatty diet.

The West of Scotland has the highest rate of deaths from heart disease
in Western Europe for both male and female.  The Department of Health
continually try to recommend good eating habits, but without a great
deal of success.

Another data point : the West Highlands of Scotland have a far lower
rate of deaths from heart disease.  The claim is that this is due to
the (more than) occasional dram of whisky.

I can look out references to the actual reports with statistics
if required.

On a related note, nutritionists at Loughborough University - one of
the prime sporting/academic institutions in the UK - were talking about
drugs in sport after the drugs incidents in the Olympics.  They claimed
that a plate of pasta was as beneficial as a dose of (for example)
Clenbuterol.

Atlanta '96:
"I'm sorry sir, but you have tested positive for Italian carbohydrate."

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"He not only moved the goalposts, he dug up the pitch
   and took the ball home as well."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.sport.triathlon
From: dsmith@atlastele.com (Doug Smith)
Subject: Needed: Road bike recommendations.
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:28:30 GMT

I am interested in recommendations for road bikes in the $500 range. The bike
will be used for training rides and biathlons/triathlons. I would like to get 
a bike that has a good frame with the hope of upgrading the components in the
future as my budget allows.

Please email your response as our news feed is unreliable. I'll post a summary
if others are interested.

Thanks.

--Doug Smith
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Aug19.232003.29419
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
: I have _yet_ to see someone experienced on a bicycle come back from
: a test ride on a bike with dual pivots that hasn't said almost
: the same thing, "You have to _really_ watch those brakes!"

Well, you have never seen me, but you have now at least heard from
someone who didn't say that.  While the STI/Dual Pivot brakes do indeed
have a lighter feel than Campag Record brakes, I certainly never felt
any need to "_really_ watch" them.

: My Peugeot PX-10 time trial bike presently has a Super Record
: groupo on it and the brakes don't work until the pads are
: almost melting.

I have three bikes with Campag Record or Super Record brakes, and the
bike I rode and raced on last year had Dura-Ace STI w/Dual Pivot brakes.
I find that all of these brakes are more than sufficient to exceed the
limits of traction and/or weight transfer.  The Dual Pivot brakes do
certainly take less lever force to actuate, but I don't believe there's
a significant difference in the force required for a particular rate of
decelleration given equivalent pads in both brakes.  If you want, I'd be
more than happy to trade a set of unused, never mounted, Ultegra Dual
Pivot Super SLR brake calipers for the (presumably good condition) Campy
Super Record calipers off of your Peugeot.  I'm using the Ultegra STI
levers on one bike, and couldn't get them without the calipers.  I find
the levers work fine with Campy calipers, and the Campy calipers are
lighter and simpler.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:55:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.022553.20864@eskimo.celestial.com> ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen) writes:
>>m1ejb00@fed.frb.gov (Eric J. Bartelsman) writes:
>>> [After re-formatting the message]:
>>> Washington DC has just started a new program to more effectively patrol 
>>> neighborhoods, namely, officers on bicycles.  About 30 cops will start 
>>> patrolling the capital hill area of DC, as part of their ongoing community
>>> [...]
>>
>>Great... Hehehe...Seattle's had this for years, and as far as I know, it's
>>working perfectly.  A lot of the officers had to re-learn how to ride safely
>>(grin), and they all understand what we cyclists go through on the city
>>streets.
>>
>>> Let your mayors and police chiefs know this is a good idea and see if they
>>>  can start similar programs in other cities.
>>
>>A bit too late for Seattle (I've lived here my entire life and have seen
>>officers on cycles for literally years), but now there's another metropolitan
>>area that could possibly set an example!  Sounds great!


>Yeah, I hope that the cops learn how to ride.  I saw a tv news clip on this
>and sure enough, the cops were riding on the sidewalk!  Made me angry!.  BTW
>I have seen bike cops in Toronto as well.

We have bicycle police patrols here around the campus of the University of 
Illinois.  I've only seen them ride on the sidewalks a couple of times because
of our extensive bike paths.  It's pretty cool to watch them pull over scooters
and skateboarders to give them tickets.

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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Campy pulls a Shimano -- buy another tool
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:10:25 GMT

Check before you buy:

A mechanic told me that some current Campagnolo cranksets have one
dustcap reverse threaded.  To pull the crankarm you need either the
Campy version of the Sugino/Autex One-Key Release (tm, probably) or
a special left-hand threaded crank puller.  This is incredibly stupid
if it's true.  Why pay less?

	;-D on  ( Bicycle Monotony(tm pending) )  Pardo
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cycle Oregon (so who will be there?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug19.000720.20957
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Aug18.225115.19714@cabezon.uucp> kenh@cabezon.uucp (Ken Howe) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.160346.17192@cabezon.uucp> markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.215149.13811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cd674@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Susan J. Christie) writes:
>>>
>>>Here's another Cycle Oregon Rider!  My husband and I are
>...
>>>Susan C.
>>
>>There are 3 of us from Logic Modeling in Beaverton, OR
>>riding this year. Last year I rode and (I think) was one
>...
>>pretty easily, I'll be the one with a 6-iron strapped to 
>>my top tube (Red Specialized Sirrus road bike with clip-on 
>>aero bars, #221). 
>>
>>There are golf courses in every community except Chemult 
>>and Prospect!! Heaven on wheels.
>
>Don't get this guy wrong, we don't all live for golf around here -
>some of live for cycling!
>
>I'll be riding w/Mark (white/blue fade Team Allez w/Scott DH bars
>an NO 6-iron.)
>

Does this mean I have to strap a soccer ball onto my bicycle?

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what energy drink do you use?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com

In article <1992Aug10.194226.27594@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>># products with some more substance.
>>
>We tried Metabol II and found that neither of us could tolerate the
>taste and that it really didn't supply a continuous supply of energy.
>Last week I picked up Pro Optimizer and we've been experimenting with
>it on short rides. I like the taste, and it seems to have enough
>calories and amino acids. It contains no milk, so won't spoil as
>easily as UE, but we haven't proved it yet on a long ride. We will try
>various other liquid diets in the fall, AFTER BMB, but I have
>definitely learned the lesson of becoming too dependent on one
>substance - kind of like being a junkie!!! :)

I recently picked some stuff at the General Nutrition Center (GNC) called
Gainer 1800.  I believe it is made by Pro.  It is one of those muscle-
building drinks with lots of calories, carbohydrates and protein.  It
contains no fat.  Today I made my first test with this stuff.  I mixed
it up, per directions, 4 scoops of mix to 16 oz. of water.  This made
enough to fill a small water bottle.  I then went on a 75 mile ride.
It was a hot day and the only thing I ate/drank was two large bottles
of water and the small bottle of Gainer.  I consumed no other food and
I felt fine.  No adverse effects and plenty of energy.  The 16 oz.
serving I consumed contained 1000 calories, and approx. 180 grams of
carbohydrate.  It is vanilla flavored (very tasty) and mixes with
water so spoilage was not a problem.
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Contis
Date: 19 Aug 1992 21:41:43 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <9208191401.AA07176@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
makes a wise purchasing decision: 
>I just got two new Contis - 700x25. 

Congratulations.  A superb choice.

>One is a SuperSport, one is a SuperSportUltra. ... that
>was what was available in this area in 700x25. 

An odd configuration, no matter the circumstances.  I would have
assumed a dealer would buy an even pair.  Who got the other mismatch?
Nevermind, tell your retailer to stock up on those Contis.

>Now that I have these, is there a good reason for putting a
>particular one on the rear? ... Will the bike handle better sith the
>SS in front and Ultra rear or vice-versa?

Generally speaking, slick tires have more traction.  Traction is
critical to the steering wheel.  I'd opt for the ULTRA on the front.

>Eric Pearson
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rednecks drive BMWs, Volvos, Mercedes ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:24:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug13.113426.10061@waikato.ac.nz> jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>
>	Somewhere in the back of mind is the memory from a road-safety article
>on car-accidents.  Apparently,  even taking into account the proportion of
>colours to cars,  Red cars have a way higher accident rate...
>
With appologies to the net -- I read one report that gave the 
probabilities of accidents by vehicle, clor, sex of driver, age
of driver etc.

I went around for years after that telling people to look out for 
little old ladies in red VW's. (Actually foreign sedans had a much
higher rate than American sedans -- ?)
>
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Roof Rack for Subaru Legacy Sedan?????
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:57:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug17.185722.22592
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

I have a friend (yes, just one) who is pretty happy with the
way the thule fits on his Legacy wagon.

The Legacy wagons in STP did have the Yakima stuff modified
to fit the built in rack.  It looks _really_ slick, but you
have to have the built in rack :-(.  I've never liked built
ins, as the get loose and wind drag, and get dirty...

The sedan ought to be similar.  Of course the wagon is 
a more practical car.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mark Magennis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour of Britain - Stage 3 Results
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:30:25 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming) writes:


>Sciandri chose low gearing for the first half
>of the stage, then switched to gears more suited to sprinting for the 2nd
>half.  Who said you don't need more than 6 gears on a bicycle ?

Presumably this is legal. Is it also legal to change bikes, perhaps switch to
your time trial bike for the long flat bits if you're on your own? Or maybe
someone in the team car could slice the guy's head off with a machette to save
weight during the final sprint (well, it would probably work with chickens
anyway). 

Seriously, aren't there potential problems if everyone starts wanting to change wheels all the time? 

Mark
-- 
___________________________________________________________
mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk		Mark Magennis
				Dept. of Computing Science
				The University, Glasgow, UK
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell)
Subject: MYTH or FACT:  Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:47:55 GMT


I have heard from a variety of sources that the shock-absorbing styrofoam in
bicycle helmets loses its ability to absorb the shock of impact as it ages.

Since I have not seen any mention of this in published literature,
namely the Consumer Reports May, 1990 article, helmet manufacturers'
advertisements, and the rec.bicycles FAQ file, I am skeptical.

Is there an article or study that examines the issue of "helmet rot", or
should we add this myth to the list of Bicycle Lore?

I ask this because I continue to use and to be happy with the only helmet I've
ever owned: an aging, heavy, but uncrashed Bell helmet circa 1976.  Should I
retire it and buy something safer, lighter and more :-) stylish?

-- 
bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:49:05 GMT

swayzed@brandonu.ca writes:
: The amateur athelete
: is a heroic individual. He or she is the person who has to struggle to make
: ends meet; who depends on meager government handouts, who trains after school
: or after work.

That's a nice dream, but you might want to wake up for this discussion.

: I realize that some, like Ben Johnson, or Carl Lewis make
: over 6 figures a year from product endorsements, but the vast majority of
: Olympic atheletes don't. 

Most Olympic athletes do not make 6 figures, but neither are most
training after school or work.  In the US, each "NGB" (National
Governing Body - e.g.  USCF) is allotted a number of athletes which they
can maintain at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.  Most
of the athletes on the US Olympic team do indeed have the "luxury" of
doing nothing but training.

: Furthermore, they are tainted
: by their professionalism. Take the dream team and their silly squabbling over
: product endorsements and which uniform to wear, or the fact that they didn't
: even stay in the atheletes village.

Almost as tainted as the US Olympic Committee squabbling with the "dream
team" because the "dream team" was jeopardizing the financial arrangements
the USOC had with the manufacturer of the warmup suites.  I agree that
this situation was lousy, but the USOC was no more clean or pure than the
athletes.

: Why would I want to see pro's
: in the Olympics when I can see pro's almost everywhere else?

Why not?  The line between amateur and professional has become so blurry
that to the best of my knowledge, the only determining factor now in US
cycling is which license you buy.  If you want to compete as an amateur,
buy a USCF license.  If you want to race as a pro, buy a USPro license.
For the most part the riders compete in the same events, for the same
prizes, and in many cases ride on the same teams.

I don't understand why, but "amateur" team sponsorship has gotten so
plentiful that even mediocre, over-the-hill riders like myself can get
free bikes, clothes, paid travel expenses and entry fees.  This is
amateurism?

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com