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From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Vector Sex Wax 2000 or whatnot (was Re: >>>>Best undercover car)
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:16:24 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <exuptr.375.724114849@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>In article <11DEC199209190952@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>
>>In article <92345.082202HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>, <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes...
>>> Pretty hard to compare any car to the vector....Claimed 1000 HP.  
>
>>If they are indeed claiming that, I'd like to see it dynoed, preferably
>>before and after a surface-street trip from one end of LA to the other
>>with a smog check along the way.  I think (look, Ma, no references) that
>>1000 hp is slightly more than a NASCAR Grand National stocker develops
>>and only a hair less than you get in Indy cars and F1.  
>
>Seems a little high to me, too.  1,000 HP?  Shit you'd need tires 18" wide.

F1 cars used to put out around 900-1000, dont know about now
Indy cars put out around 750
NASCAR around 570-650 . This from a 2 valve naturally aspirated 4bbl engine!

If the vector is putting out 1k dont be surpirsed. Its probably at least
6 liters and has 4v/cyl and remember the Ferrari F40 put out 171 hp/liter
50 state legal. The vector should put out around 1100hp. Its a little
on the weak side. Dont forget it probably weighs well over a ton.
-- 
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From: R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Flames for GM Body Holes!
Organization: CSU
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:34:17 GMT

In article <Bz7z22.n3J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
 
--stuff deleted---
>Those plugs are there for drainage during assembly.  I can't exactly remember
>what needs to drain, whether it's paint or pre-painting chemicals or what, but
>without those holes, SOMETHING would accumulate in a puddle in the floors.
>Ironically, when I restored the BMW, the areas around the plugs were some of
>the LEAST-rusted areas in the floor and wheelwell.  (BTW, check under every-
>thing in the trunk.  There's probably a similar plug or two back there.)
>
>If you ask me, the rust problem could be a RESULT of rustproofing, not an oc-
>currence IN SPITE of rustproofing...
 
   The last car we had that had a severe rust problem was the one that
was rust proofed.  Our '85 Chevy Celebrity never had a rust problem
(I'm in Cleveland, as is the original poster).  It was one of the
cars that never saw a rust proofers gun, thank goodness.
 
   I think the holes in the sheet metal may also be used as locators
during assembly.  Look under the carpet of the Sable you are asking
about and you will probably see very similiar holes w/ plugs in
the floor (my Mustang has 'em).  I doubt the rotting plugs let water
in.  I think it more likely thet water and snow from peoples' shoes
and/or leakage around the window or door seals let in the water
that rotted the plugs in the floor.
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From: neff@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chrysler Invented Cab-forward? (and no manual)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:00:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
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Summary: can't get any v6 with manual from Chrysler

In article <1gm3mqINN8qm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) says:
>
>>Drew writes:
>>

There seems to be a lot of opinion on this thread, and not much fact,
so let me add another opinion.

First of all, Chrysler probably did not invent cab-forward, but
certainly the LH design is a big corporate shift for them.  Remember,
every previous Chrysler sedan design has been a typical "3-box"
design, with a box for the engine compartment, the passengers, and
the trunk.  I think large corporations always measure their
achievements first against what they did the last time around, 
and the LH is way ahead of the Dodge Spirit and Plymouth Acclaim.
Even the caravan, which has a the shortest hood of any of their past
models, has a vertical piece of sheet metal which separates the engine
compartment from the passenger section.  Perhaps we should consider
the caravan "driver forward", and the LH is cab-forward, actually 
sharing the same part of the car between passenger space and engine
bay?  I am guessing here.  Has anyone actually looked?

Second, on the topic of manual transmissions in Chryslers, the fact
is there just aren't any available for the larger engines in any of
their car lines.  (They are available in their trucks.)  The manuals
are available for the 2.2 and 2.5L 4 cylinder engines, and had to 
be made more heavy duty for turbocharged versions of those, but that
transmission is not strong enough to hold up under use with any of 
their V6 engines (either the 3.0, 3.3, or 3.5.  
(this is my opinion from reading the service
manuals for these cars).  It is expensive to develop a new
transmission to fit in the space available with these cars, and
obviously they don't see a demand for manuals in their 6 cylinder
passenger cars.  Also, the LH must have required some redesign of the
drive train, for the combination of a longitudinal engine and FWD, 
so it would be much cheaper to just make certain one transmission 
is available at product launch.  They don't have tons of cash to 
throw at this.

I want to know what the next generation Caravan will look like, since 
they should put it on the LH chassis instead of the K-car chassis.  The 
key question: Will it still have rain gutters?  

In any case it looks like the LH is a car capable of "saving the
company" no matter where the design came from.

-- Robert

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Performance #'s for low end (was: Doge Stealth numbers?)
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.210711.15709@news.ysu.edu>, ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> Could someone post the performance figures for a the low-end
|> Dodge Stealth (non-turbo).  Horsepower, Torque, 0-60, braking
|> distance.  Also, it is fwd, isn't it?
|> THanks in advance

Sorry Brian, I don't have an answer for you.  I do have a question for
everyone else.

I look through car mags and see all kinds of performance numbers for all
kinds of vehicles.  Everything from an Escort wagon to a Stealth.  However,
these numbers are almost always with a car that is equipted as well as
possible (biggest engine available, best susspension available).

A whole lot of us are interested in the not-so-top-of-the-line vehicle.
I own a Probe GL and cannot find performance numbers on it anywhere.  I can
find performance numbers on the GT with no problem.  This is true for
most vehicles.  Is there a good source that will allow me to see the
performance numbers for the not-so-top-of-the-line versions of a particular
model?  I know both Brian and I would like to see something like that.

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 94 Accord
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:40:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <11132.165.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com> erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim)  writes:
>Mitch_halpern@qm.sri.com (Mitch Halpern) writes:
>-> time), the Accord is due for a major revision next fall or
>-> thereabouts for the '94 model year.  Does anyone have any information
>-> regarding the expected changes? The present Accord seems to be
>-> getting pretty long in the
>
>  Yeah, the Accord is supposed to revised for 94 or 95 at the latest.
>Honda usually does a makeover every 4 or 5 years.  But the new
>generation Accord's are going to finally be equipped with the long
>awaited V6 to put it in the competition that has left the Accord in
>dust.  The Accord is also going to be slightly bigger (not much though)
>and is supposed to have a more low profile body styling.  That's all I
>have heard of for now..

--Honda is kinda stuck here.  A V6 Accord would eat up the Acura Vigor's
  market share.  The Vigor was competitive only for its first year, but
  then it was left far behind by the addition of the 190 hp Maxima SE, and
  the Lexus ES300 to the marketplace.  The Legend, which hasn't been that
  successful, must move upmarket to make room for the larger, redesigned
  Vigor due in a few years.  Nissan is in the same situation with the
  Altima.  Its competitors have V6s available as an option, but a V6 Altima
  might hurt Maxima sales.  Both companies will have to restructure their
  sedan lineup drastically soon.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HUMVEE
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:07:33 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com's message of 14 Dec 92 14:22:29 GMT


>In one of the many articles on the HUMVEE when it was first being
>considered for the civilian market, the average US Military price was
>approximately $29,000.  Yes, that's right.  The government is paying less
>than the civilian market.

Is that for the whole vehicle or just the tires?  Sorry, I had to ask :^)

-Carl-
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From: milo@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jim  mielo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wheel alignment...
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Organization: rutgers university

In article <trung.724354231@sundance>, trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran)
wrote:
> 
> Auto experts, please help...
    I ain't no expert but here it goes. 

> 
> Is there a certain time frame to do wheel alignment on a car?  When does
> one know that the car needs to have the wheels aligned?  What are the
> indications?
> 
> I've just replaced a whole set of tires (Yokohama - 225/50VR16) on my car
> over the weekend.  And, I would like to know if I should have a wheel
> alignment check.  The steering seems just a bit loose, but, I do feel a
> little more stability from the new tires.  BTW, the last time I had the
> wheel re-aligned was about 6,000 - 8,000 miles ago...
       I recommend realigning every time you put new tires on the car. This
way you are sure the new tires will wear correctly. Even if the alignment
isn't noticably off spec ( ie steering wheel off center etc)  the camber
may not be  correct (which you may not notice). Check the old tires to see
how they were wearing for problems too.

   Theres no real time frame for alignment. My tires are wearing very
evenly and my last alignment was about 20k ago. The suspensions are
designed so that they reamin relatively fixed for the life of the car
unless you hit something 



> 
> Thanks for any info...
> 
> -- 
> Trung Tran	(408) 924-5106
> trung@sjsumcs.SJSU.EDU
> Math & Computer Science Dept.
> San Jose State University

James Mielo
Rutgers College of Pharmacy '94
milo@dorm.rutgers.edu

 owner of a now fixed 1990 GTi 8v
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: *** Acura Integra LS 88 ***
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:59:25
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: jchen@wind.bellcore.com's message of Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:27:20 GMT


mlleung> I have just seen an 88 Acura Integra LS (automatic) with
mlleung> 121,000 km, and fully loaded with A/C, pw, pdl. It asks for
mlleung> Can$6300. Can anybody comment on this? Thanks.

> Comment? Ya. Don't buy it. Too many miles on it for that price...

jchen> 121k km = 75k miles, in case you missed it. It is certainly
jchen> reasonable for a 5 year old car.

Yes I did miss it. Sorry.  But I can still complain about it being an
automatic :) 

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 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Stretch Hyundai
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:09:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec15.012646.13672@wuecl.wustl.edu> dbr2@cec2.wustl.edu (Dhruva Bollam Reddy) writes:
>I believe there's a company in the Dallas/Fort Worth area which specializes
>in stretched Honda Civic sedans.
And Honda Accords. I don't know what the company is called but I've seen
several stretched Accords around DFW airport.

-- 
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	      doh #0000001200
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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:08:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec16.020042.15469@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>
>How true -- the 323 GTX only sold just over 1100 examples in the US, and you
>can add the Subaru SVX to the list of cars not being sold anymore in the 
>States. It's been withdrawn (perhaps only temporarily) because of -- you guessed
>it -- slow sales.
>
>But then again, how many of those missed sales were due to the windows?
>
>-- Brent
>morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
>

--I applaud Subaru for designing the goofy windows for the SVX.  It is
  one of the things that makes the car DIFFERENT and UNIQUE - and not in
  such a bad way either.  Here is an upmarket Japanese car that needs no
  gold-plated badges to make it stand out and be noticed!!!

  Granted, I never drove an SVX, and I can
  understand that some people may be terminally bothered by these windows.
  However, I think that sales are poor due to Subaru's economy-car image.
  Maybe Subaru ought to do what Chrysler is doing with its LH's: give 
  prospective owners (i.e. Saab and Audi drivers?) an SVX to demo for 48
  hours.  I can bet that people who liked the concept of the Audi Coupe
  Quattro will start writing checks instantly.  

  This car is too good to be killed so soon.  Sales are so poor that, as
  pointed out, no '93 models are going to be imported.

--Aamir Qazi


-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)
Subject: Re: Vector Sex Wax 2000 or whatnot (was Re: >>>>Best undercover car)
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:22:42 GMT

In article <11DEC199209190952@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>In article <92345.082202HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>, <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes...
>> Pretty hard to compare any car to the vector....Claimed 1000 HP.  
>
>If they are indeed claiming that, I'd like to see it dynoed, preferably
>before and after a surface-street trip from one end of LA to the other
>with a smog check along the way.  I think (look, Ma, no references) that
>1000 hp is slightly more than a NASCAR Grand National stocker develops
>and only a hair less than you get in Indy cars and F1.  
>
>If they really do sell something like that for street use -- even to 
>somebody in Riyadh who only wants to use it to duck over to Mecca for 
>a quart of holy water or something -- I sure hope they add a Corvette-
>style "valet key."  And free 24-hour roadside assistance.
>
>Sorry, folx.  No slur on the bright boys at Vector Aeromotive, but I
>doubt they know any laws of physics that the bright boys at JaguarSport,
>Ferrari, etc. don't know.  Anybody know for sure what the scoop is?

Just from what I've read, I'd say the law of physics that JS and Ferrari
don't know is that tons of CIs give tons of HP.  The engine in the Vector
is somewhere on the far side of 7 litres, if I remember correctly.  The
F40 is only 3.5 and although I don't know what the displacement of the 
Jag 220 is, you can bet your ass it's less than 7 litres!  Now take a huge
engine, and twin-turbocharge it, and you get 1000+ HP.  BTW, the 1000HP
motor isn't the 'standard' motor.  The regular (single turbo) engine is
around a paltry 650HP...

>
>--Joe
>"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"


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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: car alarms
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:35:56 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <BzCv5r.Lox@apollo.hp.com>, daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM writes:
|> 
|> |> Can someone suggest a good car alarm to get for a new car?
|> |> I have heard of alarms made by Alpine, ungo and Clifford but do not
|> |> know how they compare to each other.  Each seems to use a different
|> |> kind of sensor.  is any one type better than the other?
|> |> About how much would it cost to get a good alarm? $100, $200, $300? ...
|> 
|> Quorum Int'l Ltd. has the latest technology in alarm systems. The
|> Quorum Vehicle Alarm responds to a volumetric air pressure change
|> that occurs when someone forcibly opens a locked door or breaks
|> a window. In addition, in most cars it will also respond to the 
|> forced entry into the vehicle's trunk compartment.

 The problem with these kinds of alarms is that the thieves have already
 done up to several hundred dollars worth of damage just getting in.  
 Even if they go away empty handed, what will it cost you to replace the
 locks and/or glass?  How much is your insurance deductable?  

 Remember the car thieves on 48 HOURS?  They had that alarm and two other 
 anti-theft devices RIPPED out in less than 1 minute.  Even though they 
 couldn't start the car, I'll bet they did at least $500 in damage.

 You really need some kind of Perimeter Detection/Warning system like what's
 available on the ALPINE, VSE, CODE ALARM, CLIFFORD, etc.  "IF" the thieves
 will be deterred by an alarm, then these systems may stop the attack before
 it begins or, at least, before major damage has been done.  I know that 
 there are some areas that are outlawing these kinds of alarms as nuisances.
 Well, what's more important - keeping thieves out of your car or getting 
 a "noise" ticket?
 
|> When any of these actions occur, an air shock wave is created by 
|> a sensor in the alarm,...

 What does that do?  More details please.
 
|> ... triggering its dramatic response and a 105db ear splitting alarm will
|> sound and a white strobe light that lights up the vehicle compartment.

 Most alarms have 120dB - 125dB sirens.  Actual pain starts about 130dB.

 TRAVIS
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Del Sol
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:44:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <BzBCwJ.21sy@austin.ibm.com> adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi) writes:
>
>I am considering buying the new Honda Del Sol. Any words of wisdom from 
>rec.autos readers?
>
>
>-- 
>Adil Khan Soofi		IBM Software Consultant. Austin, Texas
>adil@austin.ibm.com	(512) 823.9388
>[Opinions expressed in this article are entirely my own.]


--Don't.  Buy a Nissan NX2000 instead.  It's a real sports car (i.e. great
  power and stellar handling, a blast to drive), and has removable T-tops
  as well.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:37:18 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec14.091047.3583@scott.skidmore.edu>, jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep) writes:
> Tom Wetzel <twetzel@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>> I would think the '95 Corvette will eventually become collectable
>> as the last US made model.  I can't help wonder how much Vettes
>> will cost by 1995 or what premium dealers would charge for the 
>> "last of an era" car.  I've noted the last-of-series seem to be the
>> most desirable, e.g. the '62 and '67 models.  
>> 
> 
> If the last US vette is worth anything as a collectors item, it will
> only be because we have the foresight to know that it is the last.
> Look at the other Vette lasts... '76 was the last Stingray, '77 was
> the last small rear window style, etc... and these aren't particularly
> valuable.  Maybe in the future, but not just yet.  Sure, people will
> buy up these when they become available, dealers will rape the
> customers, and within a year, people will be dumping these as failed
> investments to get something else.  That's when you buy your long term
> investment... not at the dealer (look at the ZR1 for and example of
> this one)
> 
> 				- Jason
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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	Can you please explain your reasons with the ZR-1 
example.  The car is being councelled due to poor sales.  People 
I know buy cars for transportation.  Not just to let them set and 
collect dust.   
Thanks for your time,
B. Daniels