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From: masc0092@rohan.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Chris Hooten)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cloves - Where else would I ask?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 20:49:50 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Paul Lord (plord@pioneer.uspto.gov) wrote:
: 
: Since I can't find a smoking/nicotine related froup:
: 
: Can anyone clarify a few questions about clove cigarettes for me?
: I have heard the following unsubstantiated rumors:
: * Cloves contain no nicotine
: * Cloves make your lungs bleed
: * The resin in cloves crystallizes in your lungs
: 
: Also, What's the deal with cigarette classification?  The Djarum unfiltered
: I used to like were class B, the Sampoerna X-tra filters I smoke now are
: class A.  
: 
: Paul
: No comment on why I learned how to inhale smoke :)
   :^)-~
The active constituent (other than nicotine) in cloves is luidinol.  It is a
local anesthetic as well as having some psychoactive properties.  When taken
orally it was found to be completely safe, but when poured down the throats
of rats, it produced bleeding and blistering in the lungs and throat.  I 
apologize for not having the references.  I have talked to some friends who
have had no health problems at all, despite high clove consumption, and
I have talked to others who have had had definite problems with coughing
up blood from pack+ /day clove habits.  I smoke them occassionally, and
have had no trouble at all (but I am not addicted, and only smoke one
cigarette per month, so your mileage may vary.)  One note I would like
to make is that one particular "kind" of smoke is much less irratating
to my lungs than even the smallest amount of tobacco smoke.  
-- Chris Hooten (hooten@mintaka.sdsu.edu -or- masc0092@rohan.sdsu.edu
(I love San Diego :^)   )
p.s. we all know you meant "group" not "froup"

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From: 2005bf@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Eye redness experiment a success!
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:28:31 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

In article <2B38FD6A.15850@ics.uci.edu>, honig@binky.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
>  despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>>In article <something> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>[experiment deleted]
>>>I suggest trying the experiment with a single eye protected with
>>>goggles (and the other left exposed).  It's a more elegant
>>>experiment that way.  If you're really ambitious you could have
>>>independent observers (who were not present for the actual
>>>smoking) 'score' your eye redness.
>>    (A SINGLE BLIND EXPERIMENT INSTEAD OF DOUBLE, YOU MIGHT SAY) Rad.
>>I remember my eye doctor telling me that medication, infections (and I
>>imagine smoke particles) are easily transferred from one eye to the other.
>>Also, an irritation in one eye may affect the other.  The eye becomes red
>>because of an allergic reaction, release of histamines, etc.  This may
>>make both eyes turn red despite the possibility that the goggles really
>>work.
> 
>  I know that one pupil will respond to light in the other eye, due to
> shared neural connections.  Conjunctival injection (the med term for
> red eyes) I have a harder time believing.
> 
> But Bagg's point is very important: the original poster included no control.
> No control, no conclusion.
> 
> I didn't catch the orignal reason for doing this experiment, but
> I can imagine it was hypothesized that redness if from topical irritation.
> But smoking in a windy place keeps smoke off the eyes, yet they get red.
> Another data point supporting the systemic counter-hypothesis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> David Honig
> 
> "Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
>  A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
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From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:14:53 PST

> Well, certainly one good experience isn't going to make someone
> suddenly wake up and never drink again. But it can be a powerful
> start just to realize there's something else 'out there'. One of
> the keys to AA is acceptance of a 'higher power'. This is much
> easier when one has experienced the higher power directly through
> LSD or MDMA.

	The 'higher power' argument is nice; however, it's just substitution of
one addiction for another, and in the long run doesn't cure the more
intellectually active alcoholics.  Besides, you fail to address the point:  it
is a disease, whether physical or mental, and simply giving a substitute drug,
whether bullshit icon (gOD) or MDMA is not going to cut it.  

> 
> I've been through alcoholic-related family and group sessions, and
> I think MDMA properly administered might have been a great boon for
> at least some of the people involved. And I'm sure it wouldn't have
> done anyone any harm.

	Yeah, let's hand people these drugs at random -- honestly, though,
given that half of alcoholics are probably 'addictive personalities' anyway, do
you want to hand them another drug?  

> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com
> 
>                 If mercy's in business I wish it for you-        
>              More than just ashes when your dreams come true.
Muffavore
From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mushrooms
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 02:14:58 GMT
Organization: Scarla Development
Reply-To: darinf@scarla.UUCP

Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of 
mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.


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From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:37:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.172501.13632@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.011614.21728@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>>: In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>: 
>>: > Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
>>: > a vegetable due to LSD usage.
>>: 
>>: Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
>>: on acid :-)
>>
>>Can you provide some documentation? No one else has. If there are plenty
>>of people who have believed that, there should be some medical citations
>>that you can provide.
>

	I knew this guy up in Wisconsin (name withheld by request) who thought
he became an orange.  He insisted we were all apples and to get away from him
or he'd turn into orange juice.  Of course, we all chased him aroud the house
for about 45 minutes, him shouting, "Don't touch me, don't touch me!" all the
while, just trying to tap him on the shoulder.   As soon as we managed, he 
dropped to the ground moaning "I'm orange juice, I'm orange juice."

	It's a fruit, not a vegetable,  but does that count?


							Sean Cannon
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid in Holland
Date: 29 Dec 1992 01:50:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
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In a previous article, an3933@anon.penet.fi () says:
>Brand      Strength    Comment
>Banana     120 ug      Andy Warhol's painting - a sheet looks cool. Popular.
>Purple OM  120 ug      
>Dragon     250 ug      Dragons on a green background
>Bart       300 ug      Eight squares constitutes one Bart Simpson with a sling.
>                       Bitter taste. Popular.
>Greenpeace 400 ug?

	How do you know these figures are true?  Because someone told 
you?  In the US people also make claims of 200-300 ug, but it's still 
20-100 ug all the same.

Bitter taste?  LSD has no taste.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:49:49 GMT

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher) writes:
: In article <30104@hoptoad.uucp> chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs) writes:
: 
: >Now where did that legend about Strychnine start? Being that it is
: >a CNS stimulant that causes convulsions, it's usefulness as an analgesic
: >or pain-killing agent is virtually non-existant. Gasp, where do such
: >pharmacological legends get started?? I could see athletes using it in
: >the belief that is a stimulant, because if one looks at some of the weird
: >brew bodybuilders are happy to consume, it is clear some people will
: >try almost anything, anything, anything. :)
: 
: Actually, it is used for various purposes in the pharmacopia. The indians
: (dravidic, not american) used the "nux vomica" as an aphrodisiac...

Nux vomica is not strychnine alone - it is a mixture of alkaloids.

The uses I have seen listed were as a stimulant or (more often) as a tonic.

However, you are still supporting Steve's contention. I doubt if anyone would
take a pain killer as an aphrodisiac - they would want a stimulant, of some
sort.

Bill
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:23:39 -0500 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: medline

What is this "medline" keep hearing about? I assume it can be used to find out
various medical facts and information...does anyone know if there is a place
I can telnet to to access it? I'm here on the andrew system at Carnegie-Mellon
University, and I've never heard of such a thing available on this system, but
I'd like to be able to access it if possible.

Thanks,
Bart

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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:29:59 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <3010.2b400661@vger.nsu.edu> j_manes@vger.nsu.edu writes:
>
>Actually, it's not the potatoes that are 'poisonous'; it's the eyes that
>grow from the potato skin.  The eyes are toxic and if eaten in sufficent
>amounts will kill an adult human.  Seven tons sounds right, but it's been
>a while since I studied this.

	Actually, the whole plant is poisonous('cept for the spud), 
as is the tomato plant - they are both relatives of the deadly nightshade. 
	Honest, I learned it in horticulture class.


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	We're going to try an experiment now. Instead of using
                   | 	a loom, we're going to wind all the yarn into balls
ilaine@panix.com   |    and adopt an infinite number of kittens...
From: insthemp@igc.apc.org (Institute for Hemp)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Surgeon Gen Backs Med MJ
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:51:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1301300224:000:473
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!insthemp    Dec 20 08:51:00 1992



****FLASH********FLASH*********FLASH********


****  NEW SURGEON GENERAL BACKS  ****
****     MEDICAL MARIJUANA       ****

DEC 20,1992


CNN Headline News reported today that Clinton's Surgeon General appointee
has stated that she will back the use of marijuana as a medicine.

In a televised quote the New S.G. stated that marijuana was benifical to 
thse who suffer from glaucoma, aids, and Cancer treatments.

VICTORY IS OURS
NOW LETS EWOWORK onON NEW HHHS DIRSECTOR
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:48:49 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
: g
: >: possibility. It wouldn't necessarilly have to be random either. Some
: >: overwhelming stimulus may ber able to render a tripper vegatative. I h
: ve
: >: no idea how frequently such an event could occur. (Please no flames on
: >: this, just discussion. I'm not out to spread myths and fear...) 
: >
: >Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becom
: ng
: >a vegetable due to LSD usage.
: >
: >Bill
:  
:  In so many words, but I'm sure, many a susceptible individual has had a
: psychotic break precipitated, some perhaps permant, most eventually
: remitted.

Certainly. It depends what form the "break" took. It does not appear that
they become "vegetarians", however.

Bill
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Behavior on Acid
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:02:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1301300227@igc.apc.org> Eric Sterling <esterling@igc.apc.org> writes:
>It's like going mountain climbing.  Even the most
>experienced mountaineer would climb a difficult peak solo under the
>most unusual circumstances -- and then only would let people know, and
>make sure that appropriate backup and rescue are available and notified.
>

Excellent metaphor:
(ahem)
"I'll be going up there (point to region way up in clouds).
 I plan on being up there about a half of a day.
 If you see any flares go up, hear screaming, or just hear
 nothing at all for 24 hours, please come after me.
 Thanks"
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From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: RSA sucks (Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared))
Date: 27 Dec 92 08:27:55 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

[Much excellent calumny deleted]

>If your tired of this BS please call/write your senators and
>representatives, and ask that they force the patent office to
>stop accepting patents for algorithms and mathmatical concepts.

>Anyone have the address for the organization fighting this patent BS?

>BTW Clintons e-mail address is:
>75300.3115@compuserve.com

>Please let him know how you feel about the theft of mathmatics by the
>patent office.

The League for Programming Freedom may be emailed at league@prep.ai.mit.edu

There's a big archive of their stuff (including a brief description
and membership form--lpf.join) on aeneas.mit.edu for anonymous ftp--
in /pub/lpf (Thank 'Bob'--and the good folks at McGill--for archie!)

Have phun!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Chicago IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.205242.1@pomona.claremont.edu>,
cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence) wrote:

> >> 	Anything is addictive psychologically -- I understand more
> >> of this than you do, trust me...
> > 
> > If *anything* is addictive psychologically (as I believe it is) then
> > doesn't that mean that the term 'psychologically addictive' is really
> > devoid of meaning (kind of like 'being'). Sorry, more semantics...
> 
> 	No.  Anything can be.  Potential vs. reality.

OK, but that's irrelevent to my point.



> > Hallucinogens, empathogens, and alcohol all have their place. In
> > my opinion everyone should try all of them at least once, 
> > preferably more, just to understand what they're about.
> 
> 	Yes, and I still maintain that while that is true their use to 'cure'
> alcoholism is nil, and experimentation with such is merely more meandering down
> the wrong path of dealing with that illness.  

Well, obviously we disagree. I still believe it is a promising
avenue. And after all, even if it only works for 5% it should certainly
be looked into further as a solution for those 5%! 

ppppps
__________________________________________________________________________
Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-        
             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.
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From: dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon)
Subject: Re: Cats and LSD
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:25:35 GMT

Item 1:  All cats which I know of which are affected by catnip
(some aren't, I'm told it's hereditary) will eagerly seek it out.
I have had cats try to rummage in my pockets for a forgotten
catnip toy, and I was NOT lying on the floor!  They will do this
until they reach saturation or tolerace.  It is my impression,
based on observation, that catnip affects cats much the same whay that
MJ affects humans.

Item 2:  The cats I have know have been very definite about what they
liked or didn't like, and would let anyone around know it.  They also
would go looking for things they liked while avoiding things they didn't.
I have seen at least one of these cats (OK, half kitten) hang around
its owner and stay put to have MJ smoke blown in his face.

Item 3:  I have known one very freaky cat, easily spooked and generally
jumpy, whose condition was (so I was told) due to having been fed magic
mushrooms by a previous owner.  I can understand this . . . .  With
no way to have the situation explained, I'd be freaked too.  I wouldn't
feed acid or shrooms to a "dumb beast".  I might make an exception
for something like a spider.  (I'm told they spin semi-random webs.)

Item 4:  I wonder if my rabbit's cellulose-digestion ability would
let him get high from eating pot?  Maybe I should beg some stems off
someone sometime, and find out.

	Dave H.
-- 
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From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: RSA sucks (Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared))
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.184948.9271@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Lawrence C. Foard posts a complaint with the above Subject. One wonders
>just which junior high school the person who picked the subject
>"RSA sucks" is posting from.
>
>As to the substance, the yelling and screaming at MIT, RSA, etc.  is
>both useless and irrelevant. Foard's complaint, as he himself realizes
>by the end of the message, is either with patent law or with the
>patent office. Since nobody here is empowered to change either,
>Foard should take his complaint to someone who can do something
>about it. For starters, he might try his local Congressperson and
>let us know how he makes out.
>
>David


Hi everyone ! I'd like to inform you that D.S. is in KILL - files of 
vast majorty of readers sci.cript . His postings look like they're 
made by PKP (litigation firm - owner of patent in question) rather 
than particular reader.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:25:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.011614.21728@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>: In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: 
>: > Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
>: > a vegetable due to LSD usage.
>: 
>: Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
>: on acid :-)
>
>Can you provide some documentation? No one else has. If there are plenty
>of people who have believed that, there should be some medical citations
>that you can provide.

Funk, P; Funkenstein GC; Collins B;
	Evidence for increased vegetative ideation after large dose regimen
	of hallucinogens in hamsters
	Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Shrubbery, 1962 145(1): 79.
	(UI:  80011479)

Funk, P; Collins B;
	Phenalkylamines increase sexual receptivity to ferns in hamsters
	European Journal of Pataphysics, 1964 23(5): 32-55.
	(UI:  8134569)
>Bill

      --M@
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From: ah742@yfn.ysu.edu (TJ Martzial)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:51:23 GMT


Hey BTW, just what is Art Kleps doing these days?
-- 
sativa@mindvox.phantom.com
tj@well.sf.ca.us
ah742@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: opium.....
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:33:36 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Does anyone have any information about opium that they would care to
post.   I would like to know things like what it looks like, smells
like, and common effects of smoking the drug. i.e. depressant, stimulant
etc...   It would also be very helpful to know the possible risks or
side effects of using the drug.

A FOAF was told that he was smoking opium, but he believes that it
was more likely just hash that was black and tarry.   Is there an
easy way to tell the difference ?


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:33:22 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec27.162719.9247@prime.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
>
>Just read from the newspapers today of a new drug naloxone which
>prevents the brain from forming natural opiates when drinking. Somewhere

    I suspect you either misread or the article was wrong.  Naloxone, which
is not a new drug btw, is an opiate antagonist that blocks opiate receptors
from binding to endogenous or exogenous opiates.

>in the article they also quoted the original speaker:"We have found more
>evidence to the claim that alcoholism is a biochemical disease and not
>just lack of willpower". With this in mind we could treat addiction
>whatsoever as a disease. So what? Does it change the fact that a person
>is addicted and unable to control him/herself?

    No, it doesn't.  So what?

>I am deeply wondering what do these "scientists" think a human is but a
>biochemical machine. 

    What do you think you are, if not that?

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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