From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Guess what????????
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 02:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: a point
Followup-To: ap.1178@layout.Berkeley.EDU 
Keywords: another opinion, worth about what you paid for it .....

In article <rl2riINNm8e@agate.berkeley.edu> ap.1178@layout.Berkeley.EDU writes:

>This newsgroup is being misused and abused.  It's being misused because
>people are not posting personals but rather comments on other people's
>post (except I do agree that it's not necessary for Scott to post every day!).
>

	but there is no criteria for what constitutes a 'personals' ad, so,
even a complaint or a comment, or (i hate to say it....) even a test message
*IS* a personals.  it is only your social context (meaning *YOURS*, personally)
defines it as an 'iso' personals.

>This group should be just for posting personals and replies should
>be directed toward the specific individual, not the entire group.
>

	wrong again! batman!  no, a personals is an undefined term.  it
is a personal message, regardless of content.  comentary, a part of a song,
a complaint, a story, or even irritatingly frequent obnoxious post such as
scott's (and yes, my crusading attempts, as well...).... all valid personals.
	(as a very important aside - i would like it clearly understood that
while i don't particularly find scott's method to be effective, the *ONLY*
arguements that i have with him is 1st:  his frequency of posting, and 2nd:
his personal abusive replies to people who have politely requested that he
moderate the frequency, or maintain a particular key word or phrase in his
header that can be put in the kill file so that we *can* take care of the 
problem in the perscribed manner.  -=-> i, in no way, suggest that he be 
either censored or removed, but simply courteous to the rest of us, while he
acts out his fantasies, in whatever manner he feels compelled! <-=-)

>In addition, STOP SENDING TEST MESSAGES.  It's not necessary!
>

	i guess you weren't listening....  but a test message, regardless of 
how annoying, *is* a personal message, and far less offensive to some readers
than some non-test messages....  and as long as the word test appears in the 
subject line..... 

>The group is being abused by people impersonating the opposite sex. 
>

	their priveledge....  'caveat emptor'!

>Why is it that there are
>people in this newsgroup who find it necessary to lie and mislead other 
>individuals through anonymous email?  The purpose of this newsgroup is to
>exchange emnail with intentions of hopefully meeting the person on the other

	no, that is the purpose of acs (annonymous contact service) which is
not the same thing as alt.personals, but rather a sub-set of the same group.
annonymous messages have to be sent to a specific address (@layout) to become
annonymous.  if you post to alt.persoanls directly from your machine, you 
*WILL*NOT*BE*ANNONYMOUS*!*!*!*
	as to the 'lying' or the 'misleading'.... any number of reasons...none
i accept as valid.... but.... hey, they are valid personals ads....

>end.  However, these individuals with no morals who continue to lie and mislead
>innocent people for their own enjoyment, need to be stopped and possibly
>reported.
>

	now you get into the realm of censorship, and i predict that while they
are being juvenile, irritating, or otherwise a pain, you are getting into a
very dangerous area, and i would be willing to bet that even my e-mail
adversaries such as scott and m.p.mason would be among the people who would 
agree with this in that NO ONE wants censorship if it menas that someone has a
say what is said, and where, by the arbitrary whims of an individual....
then again, you never know....

>I get irritated when I invest much of my time into corresponding with 
>someone I am led to believe is the opposite sex and later learn, if at all, 
>that the person is a phony and is just wasting my time.
>
>What can we do about these problems?
> 

	caveat emptor.  there are no gaurantees in this group, or any other,
for that matter.  hell, one step further, even in the "real" world, there are
no gaurantees when it comes to relationships....

>To use this service, send EMAIL to:
>Anonymous posting:		ap.post@layout.Berkeley.EDU
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	(please note:  you have to send here to be annonymous!)

>Anonymous reply:		<user's alias>@layout.Berkeley.EDU
 ===============        ^    ^   ============ ====================
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>Test path/get alias:		ap.ping@layout.Berkeley.EDU
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	(please note:  you have to send here to get an annonymous number or id!)

>ACS administrator:		ap.admin@layout.Berkeley.EDU

	(please not:  this message is at the bottom of every annonymous post!)

	(of course, it does assume you can read, and follow the very simplest 
	 of instructons.... but then again.... we all know about 'assume'....)
	another opinion, worth about what you paid for it .....
        and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

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