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From: ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Lee Askew)
Subject: Hire Rates (was:Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.)
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:35:03 GMT

>Average around here is $100/hr for a C150 wet with instructor.
>$120/hr for a 172, $105 for a Beech Skipper.  My instructor is
>also a personal friend so I have been getting the ground
>briefings and some other training free, :-) so I don't know local
>prices for those.   (Not that I've done much training in the last
>6 months. :-( )
>Let's see if this starts anything. Perhaps there are hundreds of
lurkers lurking. ;-)

Ok, unlurking forever.

Up here in Townsville costs are as follows:

	       Private	e       Dual  
C150       85		110
C172       105          125
PA28-R     125          150
Partnavier  (Struth who can affort that!)  265/hr private hire.

Just to name a few.
We have 172RG's, 182RG's (200hr limit)  and others.i

The instructors up here give good and thorough pre-flight/de-briefing
sessions. My instructor up here (CFI), figures the student out VERY
quick, he's very good and thorough. 

So, when the cold gets to much, come up to the tropical paradise and fly
the whitsundays, cairns, the northern table lands, Hamilton island,
Brampton island, Dunk island.

do 50' bombing runs over nudist beaches. its the only way to fly. 
Its the only place to fly. 

Lee
(Lima Echo Echo)
BlueWater Aviation Townsville.

     
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin)
Subject: Re: Thruster or Mooney?
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:03:15 GMT


>
>>I became aware lately of an attempt to fly an aircraft non-stop around
>>Australia. It was a Mooney 205 being fitted with long range tanks for 60
>>hours endurance. But then I saw an article on TV News talking about a
>>non-stop flight around the country showing a Gemini Thruster taxiing to
>>a runway in Tamworth. Does anybody know anything of this?
>

>The local television news here, which emanates from Tamworth, covered this
>attempt over a number of nights. They also presumably supplied the film
>which was used on the national coverage.

>The pilot when interviewed certainly described the 'plane as a Mooney. To
>my uneducated eye "Mooney" means only one thing i.e. a 90-degree leading
>edge on the tail fin. I can certainly confirm that this was the case on
>the 'plane which the film showed both stationary and taxiing at Tamworth.
>I suspect it was indeed a Mooney. For the record it also had an all-over
>red colour scheme, so if your own channel used some "file footage" to pad
>out its story (showing a non-Mooney) this could be a give-away.

That solves the mystery! The footage shown was quite definitely a blue
thruster . Makes sense now.Your description of the plane's tail confirms 
that it's a Mooney alright.

>To me the most curious aspect of the flight was the fact that the chap
>returned only a few hours after he started his first attempt, because
>of unexpectedly rough weather.  The "unexpected" part is the bit that
>intrigues me, since the charts that morning were showing a significant
>low pressure system, with packed isobars lying right on his path. I was
>surprised he had even left, since he had previously said how important
>good weather was to be for the success of the flight (re fuel consumption).

Indeed, rather ominous of the potential for a successful attempt.

>His second attempt was more successful, although he aborted somewhere along
>the return leg (i.e. flying directly back to Tamworth from South Australia,
>or some such). Nevertheless, he still claimed a series of "records", none
>of which I can recall. 

>Don Martin

Thanks for the info and correction! - much appreciated!

						Ray Belbin
						200 hrs
						RV6A homebuilder

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From: ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin)
Subject: Thruster or Mooney?
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:12:30 GMT

I became aware lately of an attempt to fly an aircraft non-stop around
Australia. It was a Mooney 205 being fitted with long range tanks for 60
hours endurance. But then I saw an article on TV News talking about a
non-stop flight around the country showing a Gemini Thruster taxiing to
a runway in Tamworth. Does anybody know anything of this?


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From: ggr@koonda.acci.com.au (Greg Rose)
Subject: Re: Sydney stories
Organization: Australian Computing and Communications Institute
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:23:50 GMT

In article <l9oc46INN7p9@spim.mips.com> mhayes@mips.com (Mike Hayes) writes:
>One observation and a couple of questions for the pilot.gurus ...

Who, me? Except for having done the flight a number of times, I'm no
guru, but anyway...

>Me: "Bankstown, Pennant Hills, A020"
>Briefing Officer: "2000 feet is still an IFR level"
>Me: True, but it's also lowest safe around there, and the upper
>    limit of the light aircraft lane"
>BO: "Oh, ok"

The levels are recommended, not mandatory; ref AIP RAC 33 Note 1, page RAC-33:
	"Note 1: VFR aircraft outside controlled airspace may operate
	at random levels below 5000FT AMSL however, where possible
	flight should be conducted at a level conforming to the Table
	of Cruising Levels."

(Just showing off, happen to have the AIP with me cuz I'm swatting for
the Instrument Rating Written.)

It's good to be nice to the briefers, as you were above, but an
acceptable answer is "it's OCTA".

>Later at the hold point for 29C (the only active, left circuit)
>Me: "XFY ready, request right turn or left circuit and departure
>    overhead"
>ATC: "You must depart on a leg of the circuit, climb straight
>     ahead, right turn not allowed before 2 miles. If you
>     call me passing 1000 I can give you a right turn then"

>So the questions are; since it was a CTR how come he wanted me to
>depart on a circuit leg (in my experience the request I made
>has always been approved previously), and how come he was happy
>for me to make a contrary turn at 1000' given that he'd
>knocked back my earlier request ?

In a Zone, he can tell you to do whatever he wants to. I can't imagine
why he seems to think that he is restricted to departing off a leg of
the circuit. Anyway, a left circuit and departure overhead *IS*
departing from a leg of the circuit!

Now, if you'd been at an *UN*controlled airport...

Rereading exactly what (you said) he said, it is possible that he had inbound
traffic coming from the Sydney Zone, and that he had to wait for
altitude separation before giving you a clearance to turn right.

The night of my night VFR test, we were departing off 11C and at night
the circuits are always to the south (right in this case). My
instructor had very carefully warned me to remember to turn right and
depart overhead, or else... But then the Tower said "make left turn
direct Rose hill, clear for take off". Since I'd had it drummed into
me that I was supposed to turn right, I acknowledged with:
"IBU, confirm left turn". Later the examiner complemented me on the
practice of confirming anything that was different to what I expected.

In a nutshell, the Tower controller was either green, or pushy. I
wouldn't offer them so many alternatives next time; unless he says
otherwise departing overhead off downwind is what you'd do anyway,
isn't it?
--
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ggr@acci.com.au                                              +61 3 282 2532
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From: ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Lee Askew)
Subject: Trip to Longreach 19/20 Sept
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:37:18 GMT

Has anyone flown to Longreach recently??
I will be flying to Longreach on the 19th/20th of September, from
Townsville via. Hughenden for fuel.

Can anyone recommend a hotel/motel to stay? 
And is there anything to do there other than the stockmans hall of fame?

Any info would be of great help.

Thanks Lee.
PA28-R, C172 
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From: ednschmi@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (John Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Car Engines
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:28:09 GMT

ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin) writes:





>YEP! In US there is a company making twin-plug heads for 150 hp Suby
>Liberty/Legacy motors. I'm not sure if it is planned or used in the
>aussie version.

>Whereas with lycoming donks you have an overhaul at 2000 hrs, the CAA
>envisage overhauls of car motors would be 1000 hours (since the car
>engine has twice the revs). The huge difference is that lyc might cost
>$10 000 for the overhaul, but with Suby, why not put in a new engine for
>$5000 at every second overhaul?

>Performance, maybe a person could use 65% most of the time. Or, use a
>V-6 (200-230hp) and use at 50% - should fix longevity problems.

>					Ray
>					(definely doing wetland tour
>Cooinda and camping and 4-wheel driving in Kakadu shortly)

You're probably right about the longevity problem too, but I'd feel a bit
uncomfortable with a car engine!  What about the complicated add-ons?  Aero
engines use a lot of sophisticated AND EXPENSIVE metallurgy but basically a
simple design (a nice balance - I feel).

John

Have fun in Kakadu!!
From: ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin)
Subject: Re: Thruster or Mooney?
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:12:20 GMT


In article <bjs.714377936@ise> you write:
>In <1992Aug19.015537.12298@marlin.jcu.edu.au> ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin) writes:
>
>>I saw an article on TV News talking about a
>>non-stop flight around the country showing a Gemini Thruster taxiing to
>>a runway in Tamworth. Does anybody know anything of this?
>
>Well, I know about a Gemini on a long flight at the right time.

Yep! Must be the one I thought was doing the non-stop flight.

>This Gemini left SY (with press coverage, etc.!) enroute to somewhere in
>Tas.  It overnighted at CB (and almost stayed all the next day after
>getting its ignition VERY wet), but left about 1600 LT for AY.  This much
>from my LAME friend who helped with the ignition.  Nothing known since. 
>Apparently the Tas destination was an ultralight flying school.
>
>Think of all the waiver requests, GAIT charges, frozen extremities, and other 
>delights of flying!
>
>	Brian Stone.

Not really non-stop. Looks like it'll be the Mooney doing the
around-Australia 48-hour non-stop flight.
				thanks

					Ray 

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From: Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney ))
Subject: Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:44:18 GMT


In article <1992Aug24.120032.309@hhcs.gov.au>, makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
|> 
|> Interesting thought, I wonder about the legalities of it though. 

   Not a problem, as I said we have taught a some Australians
already, most to commercial helicopter level.  I can mail you the
details if you want.

|> Actually I'd rather go gliding in NZ.  From everything I've heard
|> it's one of the better gliding locations in the world. :-)

   Well I am not involved in gliding, but the gliding scene over here
is pretty active, regular compititions, and many records have been
broken here!.

Mark.

( Wings are for the birds, or for people who can't fly helicopters! 8-)
From: ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:07:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug18.083552.23350@rp.csiro.:-729850781:peg:511500003:000:530
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ilanet    Aug 25 16:07:00 1992


Having been reading this conference for a while but not contributing,
I thought that Philip was a good person to reply to.

Regarding places to fly to from Sydney .. up the coast at 500' above
sea level to Taree is very pleasant and pax normally love it.

Regarding place to fly from at Bankstown .. I think that Whitworth 
Aviation is one of the best .. but agree with one of the respondents
the Clamback and Hennessy are pretty good.

If you are looking for an instructor that will not charge much .. let
me know!

Cait Greenup
From: mhayes@mips.com (Mike Hayes)
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: Sydney stories
Date: 27 Aug 1992 01:31:50 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: bismarck.mti.sgi.com
Originator: mhayes@bismarck.mips.com

I took some friends for the ol' classic night flight over Sydney
(BK-PENH-PAA-BNJ-MVE-MANLY-HBB-WST-BK) a couple of days ago.

One observation and a couple of questions for the pilot.gurus ...

I called up National Briefing to file a plan so Sydney would know 
to expect me.
Me: "Bankstown, Pennant Hills, A020"
Briefing Officer: "2000 feet is still an IFR level"
Me: True, but it's also lowest safe around there, and the upper
    limit of the light aircraft lane"
BO: "Oh, ok"

Now I'm a fan of AMATS (though you can keep Dick Smith and that
idiot special reporter), but it brought home to me that this isn't
local briefing anymore ...

Later at the hold point for 29C (the only active, left circuit)

Me: "XFY ready, request right turn or left circuit and departure
    overhead"
ATC: "You must depart on a leg of the circuit, climb straight
     ahead, right turn not allowed before 2 miles. If you
     call me passing 1000 I can give you a right turn then"

So the questions are; since it was a CTR how come he wanted me to
depart on a circuit leg (in my experience the request I made
has always been approved previously), and how come he was happy
for me to make a contrary turn at 1000' given that he'd
knocked back my earlier request ?

Cheers,

Mike
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From: dmartin@metz.une.edu.au (Don Martin)
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: Re: Thruster or Mooney 205? (Again!)
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:05:22 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia

In article <1992Aug19.015537.12298@marlin.jcu.edu.au> ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin) writes:
>
>I became aware lately of an attempt to fly an aircraft non-stop around
>Australia. It was a Mooney 205 being fitted with long range tanks for 60
>hours endurance. But then I saw an article on TV News talking about a
>non-stop flight around the country showing a Gemini Thruster taxiing to
>a runway in Tamworth. Does anybody know anything of this?
>
Mindful of the plea for some more action in this group, I will try to
put together some words on this matter.

The local television news here, which emanates from Tamworth, covered this
attempt over a number of nights. They also presumably supplied the film
which was used on the national coverage.

The pilot when interviewed certainly described the 'plane as a Mooney. To
my uneducated eye "Mooney" means only one thing i.e. a 90-degree leading
edge on the tail fin. I can certainly confirm that this was the case on
the 'plane which the film showed both stationary and taxiing at Tamworth.
I suspect it was indeed a Mooney. For the record it also had an all-over
red colour scheme, so if your own channel used some "file footage" to pad
out its story (showing a non-Mooney) this could be a give-away.

To me the most curious aspect of the flight was the fact that the chap
returned only a few hours after he started his first attempt, because
of unexpectedly rough weather.  The "unexpected" part is the bit that
intrigues me, since the charts that morning were showing a significant
low pressure system, with packed isobars lying right on his path. I was
surprised he had even left, since he had previously said how important
good weather was to be for the success of the flight (re fuel consumption).

His second attempt was more successful, although he aborted somewhere along
the return leg (i.e. flying directly back to Tamworth from South Australia,
or some such). Nevertheless, he still claimed a series of "records", none
of which I can recall. 

Don Martin


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From: bjs@echo.canberra.edu.au (Brian Stone)
Subject: Re: Thruster or Mooney 205? (Again!)
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:18:56 GMT

In <1992Aug19.015537.12298@marlin.jcu.edu.au> ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin) writes:

>I'll try it again...
>I saw an article on TV News talking about a
>non-stop flight around the country showing a Gemini Thruster taxiing to
>a runway in Tamworth. Does anybody know anything of this?

Well, I know about a Gemini on a long flight at the right time.

This Gemini left SY (with press coverage, etc.!) enroute to somewhere in
Tas.  It overnighted at CB (and almost stayed all the next day after
getting its ignition VERY wet), but left about 1600 LT for AY.  This much
from my LAME friend who helped with the ignition.  Nothing known since. 
Apparently the Tas destination was an ultralight flying school.

Think of all the waiver requests, GAIT charges, frozen extremities, and other 
delights of flying!

	Brian Stone.
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: ccrdb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ray Belbin)
Subject: Car Engines in Planes
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 23:41:24 GMT

Possibilities....

	There has been increasing progress being made with regard to the
use of car engines in aircraft. Shock! Horror! Yes I know that the CAA
released an article about a bad experience with converting a V-6 car
engine for use in a glider tug in the last year. But the big problem
here was the cruddy 2:1 reduction unit supplied with the engine from the
US. 

	Well, never mind the yanks! In good old oz a guy from Victoria
has been making reduction units for 80 hp Suburu engines which are
selling like wildfire in Uncle Sam! This is the AMAX Suburu conversion.
The engine is, I believe, a low hours one from Japan, converted by AMAX
in oz.

	In my area here, there are 3 gyro-copters using the AMAX units.
One of these guys originally installed the 100 horse Continental from a
Cessna 150 and had problems developing enough power for his machine.
Then he put in the 80 horse AMAX conversion and says he gets far greater
performance than the Continental.

	So what - who wants an 80 hp donk? Well, I am led to believe
that AMAX are well into working on a 150hp Suburu Legacy conversion,
possibly to retail for around $5000 (includes reduction unit). 

	My question to the net is, is there anybody out there who will
now buy a new 150 horse lycoming ($25000) or second hand lyc (14000)
instead of 150 horse Suburu to re-engine their plane?


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From: rwatson@alsvid.une.edu.au (Richard Watson)
Newsgroups: aus.kermit
Subject: Re: Zip files via Kermit
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:11:03 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <8302@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, by iroberts@pietro.ua.oz.au (Ian Roberts):
> Can compressed files created by PKZip be transmitted via kermit or do such files
> need to be further encoded before they will be transmitted accurately?

Yes.

But you should set the file type like this (a kermit command):

	SET FILE TYPE BINARY 
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From: peterb@runx.oz.au (Peter Barker)
Subject: Re: Zip files via Kermit
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:21:11 GMT

In article <8302@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> iroberts@pietro.ua.oz.au (Ian Roberts) writes:
>Can compressed files created by PKZip be transmitted via kermit or do such files
>need to be further encoded before they will be transmitted accurately?
>
Any file can be transmitted using kermit. If it is not a plain text file (e.g.
if it is a file created by PKZip), kermit must be told it is transmitting
a binary file, using the command "set file type bin" to the kermit sending
the file (or to both kermits to make sure). If the file size of the received
file differs from the size of the original file, you have not set the file
type correctly.

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From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Michael van Keulen)
Newsgroups: aus.kermit
Subject: Re: Zip files via Kermit
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:03:54 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Murdoch University

iroberts@pietro.ua.oz.au (Ian Roberts) writes:

>Can compressed files created by PKZip be transmitted via kermit or do such files
>need to be further encoded before they will be transmitted accurately?

>Thanks

>Ian Roberts
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ian Roberts (iroberts@pichem.adelaide.edu.au)   Dept of P & I Chemistry
>                                                Univesity of Adelaide
>                                                Australia

You can transmit them by putting Kermit into binary mode (type "set file type
binary" at both ends).  I haven't had any problems with it yet.

Mike van Keulen
From: iroberts@pietro.ua.oz.au (Ian Roberts)
Newsgroups: aus.kermit
Subject: Zip files via Kermit
Summary: Will they survive?
Date: 25 Aug 92 05:54:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Department of Physical and Inorganic Chemistry, University of Adelaide

Can compressed files created by PKZip be transmitted via kermit or do such files
need to be further encoded before they will be transmitted accurately?

Thanks

Ian Roberts
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