HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alt@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (art.l.todesco)
Subject: Re: Muppets Christmas Carol
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:18:46 GMT

> Did anyone think that Michael Caine just wasn't scary enough,or mean, to
> be a proper Scrooge? The ghost of Christmas Future was really freaky,but
> the little "blob" as Christmas Past was crap. We want to see more BEAKER!!
> By the way what does anyone think of the crossbreeding in the film?
> A pig and a frog and two piglets and two "froglets"?-come off it.Has no
> one any imagination?Statler and Waldorf are the greatest (after Beaker).
> One other quibble, none of the little kids in the cinema understood a lot
> of the jokes-I had to bring five little nieces and nephews - they didn't
> get some of it.Anyway,enough of this-bye and "God bless us one and all"
> hmmm.Right.
What do you mean "cross breeding?"  If you had watched the "Making" special
on TV you would have heard Kermit say, "I have just 3 things to say about
that; It's only a movie, It's only a move, and IT'S ONLY A MOVIE."  And I 
think it was a good movie, in my opinion, better than the "caper" movie.
It wasn't meant for kids....  At the theater I saw it only the BIG kids 
appriated it.  I did stay and watch ALL the credits at the end; kindof got
mad when the theater staff started their "leaf" blowers before the real end;
also, I was waiting for someone like Animal the say "GO HOME!"
Art Todesco
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Any muppets sounds?
From: y00025@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Kristy Olson)
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:51:15 -0600
Reply-To: y00025@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan23.033813.18069@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher) writes:
>Has anyone put together a collection of Muppets sounds?
>Suitable for system messages with Soundmaster, etc.?
>Tom Thatcher
>
If anyone can find these sounds, I'd appreciate it, too!

Kristy (a fellow mac user who can't find any &#(%#$(%# Mac software on
shareware)


Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Devjani Mishra)
Subject: David is dead?
Followup-To: alt.tv.muppets
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:48:54 GMT

I know this has been discussed here before, but I missed it:  how is it
exactly that we know that David (human on SS) is dead?

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From: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: theme
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:54:04 GMT
Reply-To: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

yes, can you sent them (the words to the Muppet Show theme song) to me,
too please--or post them here. Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Devjani Mishra)
Subject: Re: this tuesday
Followup-To: alt.tv.muppets
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:05:52 GMT

In article <C1Br03.C3z@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v143pfey@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(MAN OF BOHEMIA) wrote:
> 
> Guess what???? As of this tuesday, 1/26/93, the old muppet albums
> will be rereleased!!!!!!    Yeah!!!!!!

What? Really?  Does anyone have more info on this?

I have never really forgiven my little brother for taking a crayon to my
"Ernie's Hits" LP and then smashing it when he was two years old.  He's now
thirteen.  I don't adjust well to loss.

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      /   /               New Haven, CT          diva@minerva.cs.yale.edu
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/__/_  /_   |/  /__/_     We see them as we are."
                                                               -Anais Nin
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: TGWWDeathand Channel 4
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:57:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan15.114419.29667@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, exxtjg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T J Garratt) writes:

> Also note that Patrick sent a FAX to the meeting with some
> crypic message about a possible follow-up to The Prisoner
> called "ESCAPE". One of the crew from The Prisoner present
> confirmed Pat has been in contact with him and said he'd be
> in touch again in the spring!!!

Does this pass the gullibility test?  McGoohan has been increasingly
reluctant even to DISCUSS The Prisoner.  He's given at least two
interviews which he ended by saying that this was the last interview
he would ever give on the show.  So is it realistic to assume that
he's eager to do a sequel?
-- 

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OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...

Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: gunther@world.std.com (Gunther W Anderson)
Subject: Re: Fall Out
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:02:05 GMT

In article <93025.1700063453VMR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Ann M. DeLong <3453VMR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>I saw this episode on the Sci-Fi channel last night.  Was this the
>end of the series?  Who was number 1?  If they were able to just drive
>away, what kept him there before?  How did he become so buddy-buddy
>with the butler?  Or is this all supposed to not make sense????

ALLEGORY ALERT!
And for that matter, SPOILER ALERT!

This was the end of the series.  The following are hypothetical answers to
very difficult questions, which have as much to do with my personal
interpretation of the series as anything else.  No. 6 was no. 1.  It was
definitely Patrick McGoohan's (so I can't spell) face under the ape mask.
This would seem to suggest that he was his own jailer.  The location of
the Village is not only indistinct andy varying, it may be unimportant to
the philosophical message of the series.  The village  was a convenient
focusing point of fear and self-imprisonment, in addition to conformity
and stuff like that.  Therefore, it is wherever you find it, and wherever it
needs to be.  But when it comes right down to it, it's right in your own
back yard, so to speak.  At least, it's convenient to the A20.  I think
that what kept him there was himself, and the fact that he could really
leave at any time was supposed to be his own fault.  The butler I understand
is to signify the power wielded by authority.  He is the silent tool which
follows whoever is actually in authority.  That is why, after #6 'defeats'
#2, #3 begins to follow #6.  In fact, #3 begins to obey #6 even in Once
Upon a Time.  #3 has no allegience to anyone, since he by definition belongs
to authority.

Remember that the Prisoner is not a series with a particular plot or
continuity.  It is a philosophical message with a TV show loosely wrapped
around it.  Don't treat it like it's all supposed to be neatly wrapped up
in the end, because it isn't.  I think the last episode was engineered to
ask more questions than it answered.  This may be also why The Girl Who
Was Death was so late in the series, taunting the audience with the sort of
pat, easy show they wanted to see, only to hit them with the last two.

At any rate, the questions of Who was #6's real jailer, why was it so easy to
escape in the end, what are all those neat little images in the climactic
scene, and did he win or did he lose are questions which say more about the
individual [sic] viewer than the series.

						Gunther
From: musjjh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Paranoia Alert
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:54:19 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

Whilst doing some shopping the other day I was browsing in an ornate
Victorian arcade when a fellow windowshopper next to me, clad in a 
Very British Suit, suddenly started to wistle the main theme from
Bizet's "L'Arlesienne Suite"......I stared at him in shock as he
wandered off. On my way home in the car I kept scanning the rear-view
mirror for signs of a distinctive antique hearse......


Paranoid!?!??!!.....Whos says I'm PARANOID?!???!!!?!!!



.....so fellow Alt.Prisoners, as you watch more of the series do you
find that your general level of suspicion and paranoia have increased?


Be Seeing You,

XO4.
From: mattp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Slash Maraud)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: s
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:49:38 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Summary: s
Keywords: s

I have a slight question.  Was or was not Danger Man a separate
and distinct series with the same character?  No one seems to 
be able to tell me.  And, if it's not too much, please mail me
the FAQ at 
mattp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu


-- 
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Remember, Hell Hath no Fury like a Bartender.
Vegetable Rights and Peace.
Nonsequiturs are my life...
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Fall Out
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:53:04 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark



(WARNING, SPOLIERS...)























> I saw this episode on the Sci-Fi channel last night.  Was this the
> end of the series?  Who was number 1?  If they were able to just drive
> away, what kept him there before?  How did he become so buddy-buddy
> with the butler?  Or is this all supposed to not make sense????

 Questions, questions.
 Answers, answers, of a sort, anyway:

1. RE: was this the end?

 Oh yeah.

2. RE: driving away

 You can't take The Prisoner on a literal level. No. 6 COULDN'T leave 
because he had imprisoned himself; once he faced this, he was free to go. 
Of course, the question has to be free to go WHERE?

3. RE; who was No. 1?

 No. 1 was No. 6 -- his "dark side", if you want to simplify it.

4. RE: the butler

 Good question. The butler seems to be some kind of symbol of power -- 
until "Once Upon A Time" (the second-last episode), he served the various 
No. 2's, until, after No. 6's psychological victory. That was the point 
of No. 6's change in status, from angry noncomformist to active agent.

5 RE: is this supposed to make sense?

 Depends on what you mean by "sense". Literal sense? No. Figurative 
sense? Yes.

> Ann M. DeLong

marlowe

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From: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: I answer the challeng
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

ABM..and how could we forget...Benny Hill?

Fairly easily, with any luck...

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From: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: RE: THE GIRL WHO WAS DEAT
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 

->   Just for the record, this is one of my fave episodes, just behind
-> that one
-> where 6 breaks 2 by pretending that he's been sent to report on the
-> running of the Village.  (I forget it's name).

You mean HAMMER INTO ANVIL:

"I am reporting a breakdown in control.  No. 2 will need to be
replaced...
 Yes, this is No. 2 reporting."
        - Number Two in "Hammer into Anvil"

Another quote from HAMMER:

No.6: "...and you see me as the 'anvil'?"
No.2: "Precisely, and I am going to hammer you!"
        - Dialog from "Hammer into Anvil"
                                                                                             
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From: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: PAT MCGOOHAN INTERVIEW
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

I have a transcription of an interview conducted by Warner Troyer with
Patrick McGoohan for the Ontario Educational Communications Authority.
In it, PMG speaks a lot about The Prisoner and about the ideas behind it
and in the making of it. Is anyone interested in me posting it to this
newsgroup or have you all read it already? <g>

/\/\ | |< |.                                     mike.dickson@almac.co.uk
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 . SLMR 2.1a . 'Pop Pop Pop Pop PoP Pop Pop Pop...' (Once Upon A Time)
From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Lucky retarders" Neilski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Glaring bloopen in Once upon a time
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress) writes:

>I noticed a lovely error/blooper in OUAT last night on CH4.

>In the Scene when Leo McKern is writing on the black bord thee style of
>handwriting changes between close-up and long shots.  I particularly notice the
>way the 'F' was drawn.

I noticed that too!  And said so (but not here)!  There was another error I
spotted but I can't remember what it was.  I'll check up on it.

What I _did_ notice was that #6 starts to take over Degree Absolute earlier
than I had noticed before - the scene before the bombing raid (which I
can't actually remember at the moment) to be precise.  (Is that where he
first refuses to say "six"?)

Still - after all the Fall Out discussion a few months back it should be
interesting to watch it again.

-- i
i said "watch", not "understand"

-- 
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     and quickly lost     |  /  / _  o // _   /_  o | special odour. So I wear 
        his hair.         | /  (_</_<_</_/_)_/ <_<_ |   TUNA FISH SANDWICH!
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: RE: PRISONER-STYLE JACKET
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:38:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <421.35.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us>,
victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) writes...

>-> 'PM was asked to create 5 "fill in" episodes for U.S. release. These
>-> are the ones with almost no (or r e-used) shots of the village.
>-> Living in Harmony, The Girl Who was Death, Do not forsake me... are
>-> some of these. These episodes can be removed from the series without
>-> major impact to the overall story...'
> 
>I dispute the authority of the FAQ (!)  I read in NUMBER SIX that there
>were originally supposed to be two seasons of 13 episodes.  It became
>clear for budgetary reasons they would never make it to the "second
>series".

	Paraphrasing, from memory, P_McG, i suspect in the "Ontario Tape"
	cited elsewhere:
		While working on Danger Man/Secret Agent, i developed the
		concept and some story ideas for what became T_P.  I took the
		to Sir(?) Lew Grade, i think there were 10 or so, that was as
		far as i thought we could "stretch" the idea.  He said, fine,
		goahead, BUT HE NEEDED A TOTAL OF 26 to sell to be able to sell
		to the US Market.  So we made up some more.

	Hopefully, the Ontario Transcript can be republished here.  Its gone by
	a few times, but is good info.  Even allowing for creators sometimes
	too close view of their product...

thanks
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Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
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From: grendel@peewee.nwc.navy.mil (ACCESS DENIED)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: PAT MCGOOHAN INTERVIEW
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:03:45 GMT
Organization: NAVAIRWARCENWPNDIV, China Lake

In article <227.2033.uupcb@almac.co.uk> mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson) writes:
>I have a transcription of an interview conducted by Warner Troyer with
>Patrick McGoohan for the Ontario Educational Communications Authority.
>In it, PMG speaks a lot about The Prisoner and about the ideas behind it
>and in the making of it. Is anyone interested in me posting it to this
>newsgroup or have you all read it already? <g>
>
>/\/\ | |< |.                                     mike.dickson@almac.co.uk
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> . SLMR 2.1a . 'Pop Pop Pop Pop PoP Pop Pop Pop...' (Once Upon A Time)
>                             

Yes, please.
And thank you.

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 17:00:05 EST
From: Ann M. DeLong <3453VMR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject:    Fall Out

I saw this episode on the Sci-Fi channel last night.  Was this the
end of the series?  Who was number 1?  If they were able to just drive
away, what kept him there before?  How did he become so buddy-buddy
with the butler?  Or is this all supposed to not make sense????

Forgive me, I have only been watching The Prisoner on Sci-Fi for 4-6
weeks.
Ann M. DeLong
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From: diachun@acsu.buffalo.edu (Justin D Diachun)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Fallout
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:18:17 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <9301250826.AA22731@eola.cs.ucf.edu> wilson@eola.cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Unfortunately, I've only seen a couple of eps (The Girl Who Was Death and
>A Change of Mind) before seeing Once Upon a Time and Fallout. I have a basic
>understanding of the show from some e-mail explanations, but Fallout leaves
>me somewhat confused. I expect that it was supposed to be that way given how
>the others went. I won't give anything away since I think it is being shown
>in the UK (I saw it on Sci-Fi here in the US). I hope they re-run it again
>starting next week.
>
>I await the discussion from others as to what the implications of the ending
>are.
>
>Tom

This is my position exactly...  I have seen a few episodes and thought
they were great--but suddenly I got hit with the ending and was left
very confused.  My poor friend watched it with me, and he had never
seen a single episode before it!  I just scanned through this gourp,
but didn't see any FAQ (probably expired) and the FTP requests didn't
get a reply.  So, can someone please let me know where I can get
spoilers on the series, especially what all happened in the end?

Another US Sci-Fi channel twink (10 PM Sundays fyi),

Justin
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie (Karl Jeacle)
Subject: Re: Anniversary logo .gif
Organisation: Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:51:48 GMT

prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:

> KJ> A little gif of the 1967-1992 25th Anniversary logo: circle with text
> KJ> "the prisoner", bicycle with "25" in the wheel and 1967, 1992, & ITC

>  I don't mean to sound comotose, but how does one make your file into
>  it's origional state? Is there a program to do this, or is there a 
>  strange thing with DOS? I'd appreaciate this information. At any rate,
>  thank you for posting the gif! 

Hmm, yes a few people have emailed me about this already. First you need
to convert the file from it's "uuencoded" state to be a .gif file. To do
this, delete the headers from the news posting up to the "begin" line
and save the file as "pris.uue", now type "uudecode pris.uue". You
should now have a file called "pris-25.gif" (or whatever I called it).
You can now view this with any GIF viewer. Both uudecode and GIF viewers
are available for just about every machine going and there are usually
freeware or public domain versions available. In your case, on a PC, I
believe "CShow", "vuimg" and "vpic" are all popular GIF viewers.

Regards,
-- 
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                            \X/       kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: nickr@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Nick Rayne)
Subject: Lotus 7 gif request
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:56:51 GMT
Organization: HP Project Centre - Bracknell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I am trying to get hold of any gif files of the prisoner's car,
the Lotus 7.

Unfortunately I do not hve ftp access to sites. Are there any sites
which I can request these files via email?


Be seeing you,


Nick Rayne.

email :  nickr@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Fallout
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:51:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

> This is my position exactly...  I have seen a few episodes and thought
> they were great--but suddenly I got hit with the ending and was left
> very confused.  My poor friend watched it with me, and he had never
> seen a single episode before it!  I just scanned through this gourp,
> but didn't see any FAQ (probably expired) and the FTP requests didn't
> get a reply.  So, can someone please let me know where I can get
> spoilers on the series, especially what all happened in the end?
> 

 Funny, but my reaction upon seeing "Fall Out" (so very long ago) was 
sheer bliss. It just seemed to RIGHT, somehow.
 If meaning's what you want, the preceeding interview with Patrick M. 
pretty much agrees with all of my conclusions.


> Justin

marlowe

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believed it. And never felt cheated. You were the chosen one, the pure 
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Glaring bloopen in Once upon a time
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

I noticed a lovely error/blooper in OUAT last night on CH4.

In the Scene when Leo McKern is writing on the black bord thee style of
handwriting changes between close-up and long shots.  I particularly notice the
way the 'F' was drawn.

Graeme,
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