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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:31:07 MDT
From:         The Ronin <whitb0@CLEM.MSCD.EDU>
Subject:      List Angel Attributes
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Angeleth LL23@NEMOUS:

     Karen has said that that she doesn't do anything that ends "-les",
which implies she doesn't cuddle.  Another belief about the List Angel
shot to hell.  Sigh.

The Ronin
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Subject:      Who's there?

>--karsten
>
>(He's probably a Hoosier embarrassed to be in the Quayle state)

There's a special one day Quayle season this year--the first
Tuesday in November.

-Mka
Anyone got a good popular etymology for Hoosier?  C'mon Tushar,
you've had it easy for a while.  Rack your brain for something good.
And I'm still waiting for news of Heather.
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Richh, I found both your stories touching... with a few rearrangement of
details I could have written both myself........and may have.  I hope
your stories are as sincere and honest as mine have been.

Don, somewhat saddened by your stories, as they reopened deep wounds.....

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: EMAIL TO MY SCREEN--VILANELLE
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Latest addition to my saved messages.
Only one other contributor (John M Williams) is in that file, BTW.

-abh
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Unuserfriendly

>I suspect the proper usage would be "user unfriendly" rather than
>"un-user friendly."
>
>What do you think?

Depends on whether you want to negate friendliness or the user--
the default ought to be negate the user.  Too important to have
friendliness around.  To hell with the users.

-Mka
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
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              in the rain" at Sep 8, 92 5:08 pm

>
> >Oh -- I forgot to mention that I do have useful credentials for taking
> >over STALAG-L.  I saw Mickey Mantle hit a homerun in Yankee Stadium when
>       ^^^^^^
> 	Just a typo, eh?
>
> 	We are *not* amused, even if Fay Vincent has just been exiled to the
> 	Gulag.

For Neal and Alec (and Ann):
Re: Fay Vincent announcing his decision to quit for the "good of baseball".
This was on the radio today: What they need to do is get the Phillies to quit
for the good of baseball.

rashmi
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Yah! Bill's back!
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I'm not sure that Bill is really with us yet -- unless he's reading us
on usenet.  I think his greeting might have been a pre-subscribing hello.
He said something about seeing us "soon" in it.  And I haven't seen a
sub message from him.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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> This is difficult, since the records are incomplete, or in
> some cases lost, but I believe that something like the
> following has a tinge of accuracy to it:
>            bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
>                m. <ts>
>              :
>              :
>      ---------------------------------
>      :           :                   :
>    ndh        doris                 -ggs
>     m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)
>    :           :                     :      m. tc/sw (2)
>  dgtr          :                     :          :
>   m.?    John "O.B." W               :          :
>   :           -------------------------------   :
> g.b.          :       :       :      :      :   :
>            Nana    Michael  Ethan  Caleb  Jill  :
>           Exeter     m.Cecilia                  :
>                         :                       :
>                       g.b.1 (?)         -------------
>                                         :           :
>                                     Nicolas       Karla

BTW, Susan, I always *meant* to tell you about your Uncle Giggles...
Mom
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thanatopsis
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> Oh, and Natalie, wasn't that Leda poem pre-1985?

Yeah, but I can't remember now what I said about it.  Probably I said that
it's impossible to read Yeats now -- that swans and gods don't mean the
same thing in 1992.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         ann mandi <AMM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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>Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:10:09 CDT
>From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>You didn't mention this part before.  Turn the problem over to the landlord
>immediately.  That's one of the best parts about renting -- and is one that
>makes me sometimes wish I rented -- that plus yard work.

I'm with you.   And the time spent on yard work & house maintenance is
time I could be spending on e-mail....

Know anyone who wants to buy a house?  Nice house, nice neighborhood,
near Providence, low price - mine is for sale.

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ann mandi
bitnet:  AMM@BROWNVM     internet:  AMM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU

'No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball.'
-- Connie Mack
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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> >      Yes, what's the word for eating dirt?  Pregnant ladies do it, and
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> pica
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Well, *I* *never.*
Forgive me --ggs, but your line is perfect here.
Did any of the other mothers on the list eat dirt?  Literally, that is.
Doris
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Zen
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Ignorance shows again. What is an E-zine. Where does one
find it to read it?  Marilyn
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Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM writes:
> (who hopes karsten doesn't start in on the subject of piercing pangs)

Sorry, no body piercings here.

--karsten

(not yet, anyway)
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: RICHH: PLOOK!
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:47:05 GMT


Aiieeee!  My flippin display showed digits all over the beleeping screen!
What are you trying to do to the guacamole-textured elderly brain of the
list Granma?


I *used* to be ok in math... got a really nice score on the math GRE's ...
but this is *too much*.

--bayla (rapidly blinking, twitching, and with tiny specks of foam
appearing in the corners of her gently smiling mouth)

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> Aw, shucks, what can I say?.....  (except thanks....)
> --ggs (whose net was down from Friday night to Tuesday morn...)

You can tell us a little about Juan Pablo Forner and about the novels
of Galdos's relationship with Concha-Ruth Morell.  And you can tell us
about Tsuchiya's skill in navigating some fairly obscure semiotic theory
with admirable clarity in discussing Galdos.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Rhubarb Pie

>       Hmm.  The All-Amazon Rhubarb Assault Force.
Never cared for rhubarb myself, but my cousin Mike and I used to have some
dandy fights with the monster stalks!  Looked like hell when we finally
tired of it, but I'd rather swing it than eat it...

John, at quitting time just getting mail posted at 0300 EDT!  8-(
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  More from "William" by Lord Sudley:


                      UNMASKING THE WORLD


  "However, I must at least admit," said William, "that my friends have been
useful to me as stepping-stones. One by one I have made new friends. By being
nice to them I have persuaded each in turn to like me; then by degrees I have
probed their minds, uncovered their weaknesses and revealed their faults -
in fact altogether unmasked them, and have come away with a new sense of
personal righteousness, planted on a new terrace of self-esteem. But, of
course, there is still the outside world which stands in hostility to me
and remains to be conquered. And the outside world does manage to impose on
me in the most extraordinary manner. The outside world wears a mask, which I
have not yet learned to tear off. I must become more wholesale in my methods,
because if I continue at my present rate, I shall only have succeeded in
unmasking about one millionth per cent. of the world when the time comes for
me to die. To explain more fully this unmaskng process, let me give an
illustration taken from my friend Eric. Eric always pretends to know
everything and everybody. If you ask him a question, he will always have
some sort of information ready, like those people at street corners who,
if you ask them the way, would rather direct you wrong than confess they
don't know. If you mention any famous or infamous person, Eric will
invariably say that he has met them. Now I know this fact about Eric, and
can therefore always call his bluff inwardly, if not to his face. The logical
course for me to pursue would be to apply this bluff-calling process to
anyone in the world who says he knows anything. But somehow diffidence
seizes me in regard to everyone, except Eric, who volunteers information.
I always feel, 'Eric is a bluffer, and I believe nothing that he says, but
this stranger who is addressing me now probably does now. And how
clever of him to know such a lot.' So, instead of rising upon Eric's
shoulders, I merely depress him to my own level of ignorance. It is the
same when people talk about self-sacrifice, and working together for a
common goal and self-discipline and loyalty. The thought always comes into
my mind, brush it aside as I will, that they must harbour these sentiments
and convictions genuinely, otherwise they wouldn't mention them. Yet
none of my personal friends every mention these things in my presence.
We must, therefore, be a very unvirtuous company."
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              92 12:10 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Graham, you are right on target!  Thanks for something that really needed

	I find this rather ODD coming from you Don.  Goodness knows
.....other stuff deleted ...

	Make up your mind, dear.  Your hypocrisy is showing.
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I believe his point was that you should have been discussing those concerns
with *him* in private, not 'gossiping' among yourselves.

JAG
PS  I think you and your colleagues should be able to discuss whatever
you want in private conversations;  you should understand, however, that
the conspiracy minded among us will see same when you talk about these
private discussions.
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
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	14) Dr. Spock school of linguistic child-raising (Natalie)

I was suggesting Natalie's approach to teching was like Dr Spock (a well-known
guru of the Sixties)'s to child-rearing -- let them grow up any way they
want, don't correct them when they're rude, don't punish them for being
badly behaved, treat any misbehaviour as a learning experience'.

It was a parallel with Natalie's Linguistically Correct attitude that
nothing anyone says can be wrong because grammar is defined as whatever
the masses use.  I was suggesting that peehaps the reason there's so
much bad grammar around is because people like Natalie don't see the
point in teaching correct grammar any more - indeed they have trouble
understanding the concept of correct grammar.

G
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:53:37 GMT
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Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM writes:
> To me, all the brassicas have a rank, bitter taste, which is most
> concentrated in those nasty green nuggets of sweatsock essence
> known as brussels sprouts.

You could always learn how to bottom to the taste.

--karsten

(I've been planning to write on this particular subject elsewhere...)
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>= S
>=
>I have a memory like a sieve!

Like the sieve of Eratosthenes perchance?  I mean everything you
seem to dump out is prime.

You also seem to be into equality,btw, while the rest of the list
is into being greater than.

-Mka
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>Bernard,I don't know about you, but I can hardly wait for my little blue
>Miata to arrive...I'm sure Uncle Giggles would want me to have one.
>ndh

Aunt/Cousin Nancy, watch out!  My mention of a possible gift of a
car from dear dad started a bit of a family tiff.  If I hadn't already
forgiven him, I might remember the mention of the words "...looking
for a sugar daddy...".

I guess the most you and I can hope for is to be allowed to ride in
it...someday.  *sigh*

Jill (still driving my '83 Celica, and proud of it!)
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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13) Abbie Hoffman/Barry Freed/Spiro Igloo (Neal/Paul B.)

	Abbie's my contribution, but I'll also note that Spiro Igloo is Br.
	Paul's humorous variation on former Vice-President and convicted felon
	Spiro Agnew.

	Abbie Hoffman was a leader of the 'Yippies,' a bunch of
	politically-aware hippies in the late 60s-early 70s.  Their
	contribution to the political scene was humor and parody -- the Youth
	International Party (YIP, hence the label Yippie) nominated a pig for
	President in 1968.  Abbie, the Clown Prince of the anti-war movement,
	was somehow perceived as dangerous by Chicago's Mayor Daley and became
	one of the defendants in the infamous Chicago Seven trial.

	It turns out that Abbie was also a bipolar depressive.  In his manic
	phases, he later went 'underground' to avoid prosecution.  After
	perhaps a decade, he revealed himself (he was working as some sort of
	social worker, I think) and served some prison time.  A few years ago,
	in a serious depressive phase, he committed suicide.

	Why did I mention him?  In the 'birthday' thread, I mentioned that this
	Wednesday (16 September) is //anne//'s birthday, and that she can still
	be trusted.  One of Abbie Hoffman's epigrams was "Don't trust anyone
	over 30."  [that was true at the time, but is no longer  ;^) ]

28) Leaden knaidlach of Borscht Belt comedy (Neal)

	I knew it!  Actually, I counted as many as five potential Gleanings in
	that post -- I'm impressed that you didn't need to ask about gnocchi.

	Knaidlach (singular = knaidl, both the 'k' and the 'n' are pronounced,
	and the 'ch' is the usual Yiddish/Hebrew throat-clearing sound) are
	matzoh balls -- matzoh meal (crumbled flatbread), some liquid, some
	fat (schmaltz?), some parsley.  Is that right, Bayla?  I've never made
	them.  They are served in Jewish penicillin (chicken soup).

	One of the icons of Jewish ethnic humor is the *heavy* (or 'leaden')
	knaidl.  The 'Borscht Belt' is the nickname for an area of New York
	State called the Catskills, in which many vacation hotels catering to
	Jewish New Yorkers are located -- they serve kosher foods, feature
	Jewish ethnic entertainment.  I suppose I should note that borscht is a
	Russian/eastern European beet soup.

	I should also reiterate that my mother's knaidlach *aren't* leaden.
	She'd be upset if I didn't mention how good hers are.

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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> The idea of "Her xxx is just like a man's" being a compliment
> is fascinating. When I was a teen, I bought into this, and I'm
> still angry at my young self, and at the culture that caused me
> to accept this kind of "compliment".
>
> What Rolston is saying is that Jodie, Isabella, and Anjelica
> are intelligent and strong, unlike all other women, who are stupid
> and weak, and like all men, who are intelligent and strong.

Another possible ramification is that it can also be considered an
insult and can further encourage (some) women to avoid those qualities --
or to hide them.  Judith said that she saw it as a compliment when she
was a teenager.  I was a teenager at approximately the same time but in
another part of the country.  I would have seen it as an insult.  And I
don't think I was unusual in that attitude.  Intelligence and strength
were not qualities for teenaged girls to aspire to.  Or at least not those
who wanted to fit in -- which, alas, was quite important to me then.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     product of the Steel Magnolia culture ...
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>Due to circumstances, I am forced to unsub from this list.  I just want
>to say goodbye to all my friends.
>
>Evelyn

Jesus, is this for real? I hope you come back!

tushar
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Has freshman term started or something?  Seems to be bozo season.
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>> Most topics are covered but, we revert back to ...
>should be
>  Most topics are covered, but we revert back to...
>
>G
>(Not a grammar flame - if I were being nasty I'd shut up and let him carry on
>doing it like MacPhil and his 'majour'...)

Jeeeez, Graham.  You might as well have finished the job--

we revert to

-Mka
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prostitution (wasRe: Re[2]: Brother Barbara)
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>> I can't resist this: "what Goddess?"

>Ishtar.  Aphrodite.  Qadeshet.  Bubastis.  Juno Sospita.  Hestia.  Vesta.
>Hathor. Ertha.  Mari.  Hera.  Astarte.  Cybele.  And so on... all different
>aspects of the Great Goddess.

>And by the way, the symbol of the Great Mother in Her death aspect is a
>white ravenous sow, in the Celtic, Germanic, Greek and Sumerian cultures.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	...the mother of all bandwidth pigs, no doubt.

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