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Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:11:52 EST
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steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> >ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> >> Rush fans tend to be computer scientists.  
> >
> >dunno, but i think that's a slam to my profession...
> 
> Why do you say that? 

1. Geddy can't sing. he whines. even a hearty bellow or a heavy-
   metal scream is preferable to that anemic little voice.

2. the lyrics don't scan with the music. they seem to have been 
   tacked on as an afterthought.

3. Geddy can't sing. he recites. it's like James T. Kirk with a 
   microphone.

4. it's pretentious. and cold. when i listen to music i want something
   that makes me feel whatever it is in my gut. Rush makes me feel
   a headache in my cranium. Randian treatises are fine, but leave them
   to Rand.

5. Geddy can't sing. 

> Rush is one of the most musically gifted bands who have ever picked 
> up guitars and drumsticks! Neil Peart's lyrics are pure poetry as 
> well. It's true that he is a staunch atheist and this shows up 
> often in Rush's lyrics, but his thoughtful messages often challenge 
> me in my thoughts about God. For this reason I do not choose to 
> shelter myslelf from secular music, I often disagree with messages 
> portrayed, but this shows that I think, and form my opinions based 
> on God's Word and human reason, and not from what ANYONE else has 
> to say on the topic. Flame me all you want, but badmouth Rushm and 
> expect the fight of your life from this Christian Rush fan.

ahh, i have no objection to the atheism part of it. i want art not 
philosophy. (anyone who gets their philosophy of life from songs needs
serious help.) unfortunately, Rush embodies everything i hate about
70's progressive rock. it's the sort of thing punk rebelled against.
two hours of brutal thrash doesn't hurt my head as much as 30 seconds
of Roll The Bones.

jason

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Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:32:53 EST
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fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
> 
> According to Billboard Magazine's year-end list, here are 1992's 
> most popular CCM albums...

wow. talk about out of the mainstream. i've never even -heard- any of
these.

jason

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From: gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: REVIEW: The Brave "Battle Cries"
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:22:30 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


The Brave:  John and Dino Elephante's next addition to the Pakaderm family, or
more approiately, the next Petra clone.  Their latest/first album is entitled
"Battle Cries".  Someone told me that they have done an album before, but I
can't confirm that.  Unfortunately for all drummers, they put all the cymbals
on one side.  Guitarists all around the world must play along with their air
guitar, because this album is a killer!  Even Tony Palacios of guardian plays
on this one.  (in fact Tony is playing on everyone's album lately, including
Liaison's latest road kill)  The overall sound of the album is one of extreme
power.  Combined with the vocals, it's totally reminiscent of Scorpions, meeting
their maker.  Somewhere there should be keyboards listed on the album, but they
have listed two guitarists.  Their keyboards are definitely too powerful to be
synth-guitars.  
Standout cuts In order they appear:
  All Together Now:  This starts the album out with a kerrang!  I really enjoy
the BGV's especially in the solo.
  The Waiting:  The only ballad that just rocks.  It's not often a ballad out
rocks some of the other songs on the album.
  If That Ain't Love:  The best song of the YEAR!  This song rocks harder than
ANYTHING ever put out by the Elefante's, even Petra, Guardian, and Mastedon!
The vocals are just immaculate.  Perhaps I may be over exaggerating, or I may
not, but you'll have to decide for yourself.
  Running All My Life:  Good ballad.
  (Tears of a Broken Heart: weak)
  Little Love: Good and strong.  Just the way one likes it.
  Never Live Without Your Love:  Tony's soloing on this one.  Don't expect much
from this ballad, except it's pretty good.
  Big World:  Sure beats Mylon's version, by a looooong shot.
  (Ride with the Rhythm: Good, but repetitive)
  Just A Man: Ballad, nice touch to end this album.

The album is fairly heavy laden with keyboards and guitars.  Those who like
keyboard rock, and those who like anything from Pakaderm will definitely have
to have this one in their collection.  IMHO, this is the best by the Elefante's
yet.  The writing has more depth, feeling, and power.  James Salters (vocals)
may not have the range of John Schlitt, but he's holding his own.

Neal's Totally Logical and Precise Grading System: 94%

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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Detroit or bust
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:12:02 GMT

In article <104362@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I've enjoyed this group for a while, and would like to ask y'all about
>churches in the Detroit area.  My spouse-to-be and I are moving to Lincoln
>Park in June and will be church-hunting.  At the moment, we're attending a
>PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) church.  We're interested in finding
>something that believes the Bible is inerrant, where the love of God is
>demonstrated, and where the teaching is good.
>
>Please email me (see address below); all suggestions welcome.
>
>Also, is there *anything* good about Detroit?  I could use a bit of
>encouragement.

YES!!!  That's where Tim "the tool man" Taylor lives with his family,
Al and Wilson, the next-door-neighbor.

>
>Thanks.
>
>
>-- 
>The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
>if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

p.s.  Congrats on your upcoming nuptuation.

Paul (aarrggghhh arrrggghhhh - Tim is my hero) Conditt
From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:58:25 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan6.171338.874@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>> Rush fans tend to be computer scientists.  
>
>dunno, but i think that's a slam to my profession...

Why do you say that? Rush is one of the most musically gifted bands who have
ever picked up guitars and drumsticks! Neil Peart's lyrics are pure poetry as
well. It's true that he is a staunch atheist and this shows up often in Rush's
lyrics, but his thoughtful messages often challenge me in my thoughts about
God. For this reason I do not choose to shelter myslelf from secular music, I
often disagree with messages portrayed, but this shows that I think, and form
my opinions based on God's Word and human reason, and not from what ANYONE else
has to say on the topic. Flame me all you want, but badmouth Rushm and expect
the fight of your life from this Christian Rush fan.

Steve "most definitely a Rush fan" Sousa

>
>jason (most definitely -not- a Rush fan) steiner
>
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:21:07 GMT

>In article <1992Dec30.172950.25181@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com writes:
>>I have a very long hair and some of my relatives & friends condemned it,
>>some don't, and some no comments....I like my hair and I'm not going to
>>cut it for anything.....Is that a bad attitude????Is it wrong to like
>>your hair....
>>

I think Henrik gives a reasonable answer.  I think anything in this area
largely reverts to motivation and the reasoning of the heart (there is the
one verse about long hair being a man's shame, but I haven't really come
to any conclusions on the meaning of that at this time).

I had an interesting situation come up over Christmas.  My mother complained
about both the length of my hair (not quite shoulder length, but longer than
most men's) and the way I dress (rather causual, some might even say 
slovenly, at times).  Nonetheless, I don't think appearances are that 
all-fired important myself.  One exception, however.  My mother felt that
I wasn't showing respect to her by dressing the way I do when I see her and
go to events with her.  Scripture does tell me to honor my parents, and
since
her suggestion does not contradict any Scripture per se that I know of, I
have decided to dress more formally when I am in her presence.  Again, it
depends on our resoning. If we say, "I'm going to have long hair, doggone
it, and that's the way it is, I don't care what anyone thinks", then I 
would submit that that is a sinful attitude - not the act of having 
long hair itself.  My $.02.


--
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Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:45:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan6.140234.18793@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Me either.  Anybody know if any demographic studies have ever been done
>to determine who buys these albums?  In the secular music world, the
>standard line seems to be that adolescent girls tend to buy Top 40,
>adolescent boys tend to buy Heavy Metal, etc.  

Not to pick nits here, but if enough adolescent boys buy *anything*,
they'll put it into the Top 40.  Wouldn't it make more sense to say
adolescent girls *and* boys buy Top 40?  I haven't looked at that list in a
few hundred years; isn't there lots of heavy metal on it?  Or am I just
being too literal here? 

I guess what I'm asking is -- what is meant by "Top 40"?

Do these trends carry
>over into CCM as well?  No flames intended toward either genre of
>music - I'm honestly curious.  And what types of music do middle-aged
>ex-hippies with sarcastic streaks tend to buy?

Gimme a "D" .... gimme a "Y" .... gimme an "L" .....



-- 
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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: smith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Smith)
Subject: Re: Help me with my concentration!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:23:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.202414.15132@news.stolaf.edu> hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist) writes:
->
->Anyways, could y'all recommend some music that I should pick up?  I do have a

i would recommend:
	Charlie Peacock		Love Life, West Coast Diaries II
	Whiteheart		Freedom, Powerhouse, Tales of Wonder
	Leslie Phillips		The Recollection
	Margaret Becker		Steps of Faith, Simple House
	Code of Ethics		self-titled
	Rich Mullins		anything he's done
	Vince Ebo		Love is the Better Way
for quite a mix of music.

->it goes "Not with a sword to destroy, not with a shield to defend, not with
->spear to kill, but in the name of the Lord, the battle is the Lord's".  

i believe this is sung by Harvest.

->--Andrea
...jim
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Subject: Music Marketing Trivia answers
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:52:01 CST
 <1993Jan6.140234.18793@cbnews.cb.att.com> <103826@netnews.upenn.edu> <1993Jan6.191609.22700@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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In article <1993Jan6.191609.22700@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> In article <103826@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.140234.18793@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>
> And I'm wondering if similar tactics are used within CCM.  What are  
> the factors that push a CCM album into the CCM Top 40?

Christian Book Stores report their sales to their supplier, or to CCM. (?)

>  Airplay?
> Who decides what gets played?

Individual Radio Stations decide what they will play.  Like the one in Joplin,
the loudest Petra song they will play is "The Coloring Song".  Sad, isn't it?
They also won't play any music from any of our regions local Christian artists, 
although other cities keep asking for it from them.....but i digress.
 
> Distribution?  Who does the marketing,
> and how are various albums marketed?  And, above all, who or what
> is the target audience for a Michael W. Smith album or a Steven
> Curtis Chapman album or a Michael English album? 
> Who buys this stuff,

ME! :)

> and what traits/beliefs do they hold in common?

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and by believing in him, you can be
saved:)

> Again, I intend no disrepect to these musicians or to anyone who
> might buy their music.  I'm just curious as to how the music 
> gets popular in the first place.

Good question.  Maybe they are blessed by the Lord, I don't know...

JP
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:13:37 GMT
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ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> Rush fans tend to be computer scientists.  

dunno, but i think that's a slam to my profession...

jason (most definitely -not- a Rush fan) steiner

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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:03:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1993Jan5.202312.4482@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>In article <1icip9INNg9b@menudo.uh.edu> ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler) writes:
>>In <79082@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU writes:
>>>  1)  Anton LeVay, reknowned Satanist (maybe founder of the 'religion'?), 
>>>  	or a reasonable facsimilie (sp?) thereof, is standing in the
>>>  	window of the hotel on the album cover.
>>
>>if you ask me.  As far as the guy in the background, he looks pretty 
>>fuzzy to me.  As far as the lyrics, I think there are many ways to 
>>interpret them, probably none the way the Eagles meant it.
>
>I heard of an interview where Henley stated that the guy in the window
>is not a guy, but a strung out groupie that they couldn't get to stop
>hanging around the shoot. They didn't even know she was there when
>the photo was shot.
>
>Strictly hearsay, so don't look to me for verification.

I heard the same thing from an interview with the producer on the radio.  
That it was a young female who was tossing her cookies.

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
From: lindstrom@acs.harding.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:52:30 -0500
Reply-To: lindstrom@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

In article <1993Jan8.021153.900@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
>> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>> >ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:


>3. Geddy can't sing. he recites. it's like James T. Kirk with a 
>   microphone.

Hey, pally, you just watch your step !!! :-)

>> Rush is one of the most musically gifted bands who have ever picked 
>> up guitars and drumsticks!

O.K. Now I know your funn'n me.
>
>ahh, i have no objection to the atheism part of it. i want art not 
>philosophy. (anyone who gets their philosophy of life from songs needs
>serious help.) 

No, you're wrong here.  Music has long been used as a vehical for
social change.  Read up on some musical history, or talk to some
of the artists (composers especially) coming out of what was the
Soviet Union.  Music can be (and is) used to develop and enforce
national loyalties and attitudes.  It has been the cause of riots
(not fans at some concert, but societies rising up against their
governments) and revolution.

Music is powerful.  The line of thinking of just listening to whatever
for art's sake (and not letting it influence you) is akin to me thinking
it is not important who my friends are because they will not influence
me. Perhaps you are stronger than I am.


Greg Lindstrom             "It is critical to determine how much
Sun System Administrator    panic is appropriate."
Harding University          
glind@sun1.hu.edu                 Russell L. Brand
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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Whitecross (and hopefully others)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:45:58 GMT

*sigh* (hunsts@cary115.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: *new one* dont know the title, heard some of it and it sounds a lot like In The                    Kingdom

   It's called "High Gear".  Can't comment on it since I've not heard it
yet.

: In Him
: 					Scott

Rodney Ho

hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg
From: sperry2699@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Coming Attractions in IOWA
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:47:12 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

CONCERTS FOR THE DUBUQUE, MUSKATINE (sp?), AND DES MOINES AREA!

I'll give you as much as I know:

Friday, January 15:
NEWSBOYS at the Grand Opera House in Dubuque, IA. at 7:30 pm
Tickets are $8 in advance or $10 at the door.  (319) 532-4893

Also on Friday, January 15:
WHITEHEART at the Central School Auditorium in Musketine, IA at (I'm assuming)
7:30 pm.  Tickets are $8 general admission in advance, $10 reserved seating in
advance, and $12 general at the door.  Get tickets at the Calvery Church in
Musketine, the West Side Store in Musketine, or Cornerstone in Musketine.  Also
you can call (319) 263-4644.

Saturday, January 16:
WHITEHEART at the 1st Federated Church in Des Moines, IA.
        This is all I know about this concert.  Sorry.


DC TALK should be coming through Iowa sometime in April.


If any Iowans have more info PLEASE post it or send it to me through e-mail.

Thanks,
Evan

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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:23:12 GMT

In article <1icip9INNg9b@menudo.uh.edu> ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler) writes:
>In <79082@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU writes:
>>  1)  Anton LeVay, reknowned Satanist (maybe founder of the 'religion'?), 
>>  	or a reasonable facsimilie (sp?) thereof, is standing in the
>>  	window of the hotel on the album cover.
>
>if you ask me.  As far as the guy in the background, he looks pretty 
>fuzzy to me.  As far as the lyrics, I think there are many ways to 
>interpret them, probably none the way the Eagles meant it.

I heard of an interview where Henley stated that the guy in the window
is not a guy, but a strung out groupie that they couldn't get to stop
hanging around the shoot. They didn't even know she was there when
the photo was shot.

Strictly hearsay, so don't look to me for verification.


Topher
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From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: MWS:  Oakland Collisium in California
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:39:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs

O.k. here's the scoop for you MWS fans:

Oakland Collisium
March 26, 1993
7:30 pm
Tickets go on sale Jan 8, 1993 at 9:00 am
Call BASS Ticket outlets
$18.50 per ticket reserve seating plus
            service charge (abouit $3 to $4)


Enjoy and I'll see you at the concert!


Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com