Organization: Virginia Department of Health
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:16:38 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freedon of speech.
              10 Nov 1992 16:46:31 GMT from <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:46:31 GMT (G.J. McCaughan) said:
>No, he doesn't. (Obviously. He's a Christian, remember?) He means, I think,
>that we should not try to impose our Christianity on other people, because
>it just won't work. We have no more right to make all schools Christian
>than anyone else has to make all schools atheist.

I was very poorly reflecting back to when all schools were Christian.
They have in essence made all schools atheist. Right now I'm listening
to 700 club that as 3rd graders the children are required to stand in
the front of the class and recite all the sex parts of the body using
street slang. A 3rd grade girl was force to repeat the male sex organ
10 times out loud because she didn't say it right the first time.
   10th graders are given a home work assignment to actually
masturbate
Both these incidents were in Mass. I may well post the
story.

>>Schools were started in churches so that the people could read the
>>Bible, but in years the people got lazy. Now the wants of 1 or two
>>people out weigh the rights of the mass.
>
>I don't understand what you're saying. What one or two people? What
>mass? What wants? Where does the origin of schooling come in?

Humanists believe the rights of the individual outweigh the rights
of the public. Thus you get 1 person who comes in and says to the
effect "I don't care if 20,000 people like this nativity scene, I'm
driving through town, I don't live here, but I want it removed or I
sue." or "I don't want no pastor praying at my son's graduation even
if the other 500 students do want prayer." It's now up to the 500 to
go out and have their own ceremony, not the 1 person to not participate.

Schools in America were started in churches so that the people could
read the Word of God.
>
>>... wouldn't know Jesus Christ if He came up and shook their hand.
>>"Messiah? Sorry, I didn't see that one when it hit town. I don't care
>>that much for opera." The "Give me my Volvo, let the kids fend for
>>themselves.")
>
>I don't understand. Are you saying that the parents of today have been
>educated in schools that have somehow forced them to believe that there
>is no God and that abortion is a good thing? I find it very hard to believe
>that many teachers would ever tell a child "Your mother should not have been
>forced to have you"; I can't think of many circumstances under which this
>would be remotely relevant.

Oddly enough, the creator of RU486 said almost the exact same thing. RU486
is being pushed onto America so that "when it's a success there" they can
push it onto the 3rd world countries, because he believe the whole world
has to drop about 1/3 of the population. They are actually starting to call
it "pop-ulution". We are parasites and need to be eliminated to save the
world. Granted these people are on the fringe, but woe if they get into
power. I was wondering what "message" Clinton will give if he does reverse
20 years of Pro-Life work in a flash of a pen.

By the parents, I mean I have seen a good many talking about how they are
having such horrible problems with their kids, many telling of the exact
same characteristics that many of us home schoolers decided this was
enough to bring the kids home and teach them there. They are *NOT*
sheltered! They are protected! God holds *ME* responsible for them, and
I want them to have what they need to make it.

As an example, Rachel, my 14 year old is "sheltered" and started Civil Air
Patrol last February. If they had had CAP tonight, she would have been
promoted to Sergeant, and one of the highest ranking cadets there. I've
never heard ANYONE say anything against her, and they all treat her with
respect. She's heard some of the others use language like "What's your GD
problem?" where GD was you know what. She finds it ignorant and looks
forward to the time where she can show these people that one can command
without having to use this type of language.

I've scanned my paragraphs, and I'm still not sure I've done a good job,
but I'll close now. It is one of those "Better to have the world think
you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I hope there
are still some doubts. :-)

Oh, I got too frisky on the "one flew over the cuckoo's nest". A "Tale of
Two Cities", and Shakespeare were considered to be of value, classics. While
I watched the movie, I can't say the story is a classic, not by a long shot.
I think the original point they were trying to make, and perhaps not that
well was it is fine to require out children to be exposed to gang rape and
the like, but against the law for them to see anything like the Bible.

There were points missing. How old was this requirement? Were any other
books required? Not given that, only a certain amount of judgement can
really take place. sorry. Did make for rather interesting conversation
though.

Maks.