HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1av2vuINNt1q@phakt.usc.edu>, zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai
You) writes:

|>   A Chinese saying goes "Bitter medicine is a good cure for your illness".
|> We better watch out for our grammar, spelling, puncutation, wording and
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
punctuation?

|> expression.
|> 
|> P.S. I checked Webster's twice to write the above sentence. There
still could
|> be some error around(not even sure about this sentence. sounds so awkward).

May be a third time was needed (^_^).

|> 
|> 

But seriously, I always read things I write a few times before send it.
You may not be able to fix all the grammatic errors but mis-spell was easy
to avoid. It is important to write and speak good english (or any language
one use). Thanks to the guy who point it out first.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Li Peng, He Dongchang's Total Defeat - Bill.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:16:35 GMT


Ever since 1986, Li Peng He Dongchang have tried to prove that
American government is on their side against the Chinese students
and scholars. So they believed that they could impose any
communist regulation and idealogical education on the Chinese
students and scholars oversea. They even believed this after
they massacred thousands of Beijing students and citizens.
They believed that they still had chance to revenge the CSS
for their protests against that historical killing.

Now they are totally defeated. It is time for IFCSS to push
forward our idealism of democracy and human right. 

Let China be free from communism. Let freedom ring.

Congratulations to IFCSS.

Xiao Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:52:44 GMT

In article <44838@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff) writes:

**************************************************************************

		 SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY

**************************************************************************


Please send me your answers to this survey by e-mail.  It doesn't
matter what your status is, e.g. U.S. citizen or not; everyone's 
opinion is solicited and welcome.  I will announce the statistical
results after compiling them.

1.  Who do you hope wins the U.S. presidential election next month?

    (a)  Bill Clinton.
*   (b)  George Bush.
    (c)  Ross Perot.

2.  The following are summaries of comments made by the three 
    presidential candidates in today's debate, on the question
    of continuing Most Favored Nation (MFN) status for China. 
    Please read them and then indicate which one you like best.

    (a)  Bill Clinton:  
    
	 The U.S. should support the students who protested in 
	 Tiananmen Square in 1989.  The U.S. has been too friendly 
	 with the Chinese government, and thus has been sending
	 both the student protestors and the Chinese officials
	 the wrong message.  Therefore the U.S. should place some
	 trade restrictions on trade with China if China doesn't
	 improve its human rights record.

    (b)  George Bush:

	 We have to make it very clear to the Chinese government
         that we don't at all condone suppression of human rights.
	 But if we were to place restrictions on trade with China, we
	 would harm the people who are trying to bring about reforms
	 in the direction of capitalism and economic freedom.  We
	 would also do terrible harm to the people of Hong Kong.
	 Therefore there should not be restrictions on trade with
	 China.

      (c)  Ross Perot:

	 We have to be very careful:  On the one hand, we don't want 
	 to give the Chinese government the impression that we condone 
	 repression of dissent.  But on the other hand, capitalism is 
	 thriving in large parts of China, and the country has made a 
	 lot of progress.  The human rights issue will take care of 
	 itself, as the quite elderly Chinese leaders die off and are 
	 replaced by newer, more open-minded people.  China will be an
	 extremely important consumer of U.S. export products as it
	 grows, and we should do our best to develop economic relations
	 with China.
			
     Whose stand on the MFN issue do you like best?  (Please choose only

    (a)  Bill Clinton.
*    (b)  George Bush.
    (c)  Ross Perot.

3.  Please indicate your place of birth:

*    (a)  China (i.e. PRC).
    (b)  Taiwan.
    (c)  U.S.
    (d)  Other.

Again, please reply by E-MAIL, to 

   matloff@heather.cs.ucdavis.edu

I will announce the statistical results.
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Da Za Lan ? Da San Lan ? Da Shi le-r
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:15:32 GMT
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct10.204835@cs.utwente.nl> xinli@cs.utwente.nl (Xinli Hou) writes:
>In article <ldbg2nINN9n9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> it is written that
>
>>In article <Bvv2J7.D8M@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>>
>>>The following is found in Xin1 Hua2 Zi4 Dian3 (Xinhua Dictionary) 
>>>published by Shang1 Wu4 Yin4 Shu1 Guan3 in 1987 (6th ed. 10th print):
>>                                           *******
>>This proves it is unreliable. Please check Kang Xi dictionary or Zi Ku.
>>>
>>Also find out 1. Sillicon Valley (Si Gu as people call)
>>	      2. Da Za Lan of Beijing (after 1949, it becaomes Da San Lan)
>                 ~~~~~~~~~~                                    ~~~~~~~~~~
>>              3. Zi Nan (it was Zi4 Nan3, now it is pronounced Zi3 Nan3)
>
>To my knowledge, Beijing folks call that place "Da Shi Le_r", instead of Da San
>Lan or Da Za Lan.
>
>Can someone from Beijing confirm this?
>
>
>Hou Xinli
>

Well, you are almost right. The pure Beijingness sounds like "Da sh La_er".
No problem with Da, but "sh" is quit tricky, there is no yun mu, in other 
words, there is nothing like shi(tou) shi(jian) etc. it is simply a quick
                             ---      ---
transition. 

However, the offical announcer of broadcast station would procounce it
something like "Da4 Sha1 La-er4". But you know, old Beijing folks always
minimize the movement of their tongues, it why sha is simplified to "sh".

BTW, if you happen to be a resident in that area for years, this topic 
may bring you a lot of vivd memories.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Mr. Wang Qiong (coming from Beijing)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:38 GMT


If you know Mr. Wang Qiong, a Chinese student now studying in U.S.A.,
please tell me his address by email, or tell him my information:

Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset Ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Cooking : ManTou
Organization: MITRE
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:24:30 GMT

I like Man2Tou2 (steamed bread) very much. I tried several times to make my
own ManTou, but, unfortunately, I failed.  Here is how I make it:

1)  I use the flour labeled for bread.  I heard that this kind of flour is
Gao1Jin1 flour.
2)  Mixed with water.  Let the dough wake-up (rise) for one hour or so
until it double its size.
3)  Cut the dough into pieces, and make my Mantou.
4)  Let mantou wake-up for 30 min, then put it inside the steam cooker
while the water is boiling.
5)  wait for 20 min, the mantou is ready.

My problem is that:

The moment I open the cooker lid, these mantou(s) look just great.  They
are white and soft, very beautiful.  However, when I put them on the table
for 15 min, they become dark and hard (shink to smaller size too). 
Somebody told me it is overcooked.  I tried to change the steaming time,
but it is in vain.  It is either still raw or the same problem.  Could
anyone tell me what's wrong in here? 
Thanx.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Crabs
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:07:38 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Oct14.152617.17219@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>
>
>I thought it is an article about how to cook crabs.  Unfortunately, I was
>wrong.  Anybody want to talk about how to cook sea food like crabs,
>lobsters, fishes.....
>
Me too. I tried to post some question about crab, but due to connection
problems I lost the mail. Glad you brought it back.

The Fall is the best time for crabs. (in Shanghai) Tuya has missed XRS,
I miss crab (Fall season only). When you open the crab shell with a big
chunk of yellow Gao, wash it down with rice wine(huang jiu). That is the
dream I have been having for the last few years. Red Chamber Dream has a
vivid discription about it. In that chapter there is also some nice poes
about chrisam(how to spell it?) 

The best way to cook crab is to steam it as a whole. Americans copied
this way to cook their lobster. But comparing the taste of crab and lobster,
then lobster is nothing. Another trick is to prepare the sauce.

Tingli Pan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27942 soc.culture.taiwan:14408 soc.culture.hongkong:12590
From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:04:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.1bj56mINNas6
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu


	Hey, but you do have to give the Japanese credit for building a good
infrastructure in Taiwan (albeit for military purposes).  When the KMT took
over they sorta undid what the Japanese built.  Kaohsiong used to have really
wide boulevards until old man Chiang came over; now all we have are traffic
congestions.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"He's dead, Jim."
"But that's impossible!"

Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
University of California at Berkeley
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To Mr. Li Xiao-Lin
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:54:25 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <9210070056.AA21004@Kodak.COM> ctchou@Kodak.COM writes:
>Hi, Mr. Li:
>
>A while ago, you posted an article saying that mainlanders didn't
>like KMT. Hence, KMT should not pretend to have the right to rule
>mainland. Immediately after that, there were at least two articles
>saying that Taiwanese did not likke CCP either. Hence CCP should
>not pretend to have the right to rule Taiwan.
>
>For some reasn, you missed the chance to reply to either of those
>two articles. But don't worry. Here comes another
>once-in-a-life-time chance for you to show all the netters how
>non-narrow-minded and non-double-standard you are. So why don't you
>grab this chance and open your big mouth as usual to comment on
>CCP's right to rule Taiwan?

Oh, my, this guy is vindictive. Sorry, I almost forgot. Usually
I only reply to those articles that are interesting. For example 
the story that Steve Lin paid three times of money in mainland :-).

You conclusion that Taiwanese do not like CCP is certainly inaccurate.
In my opinion, some Taiwanese love CCP more than we do. Give you one
example, my former landlord was from Taiwan, he had a store in
uptown NYC named East-Wind store selling Chairman Mao's pictures.
He told me how glorious he was in leading American Cultural Revolution
at Columbia. 

As for some Taiwanese who are not willing to be governed by CCP,
they should not complain to me, because I am not CCP. I won't be able 
to do anything for you. You guys have never made me feel to say
anything for you. I guess most mainlanders don't like to say anything
for Taiwanese, they are never motivated to do so. Why should 
ordinary people say anything for an arrogant man who is indifferent
to anything but money?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: for your sake
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:32:18 GMT

In article <12OCT199213193982@rosie.uh.edu> mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)  
writes:
> In article <2AD99229.24089@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon  
Yeh) writes...
> >i consulted a couple of people, and they told me that the blood cardd for
> >blood carders could not 100% guranteed.  And obviously, we 9201 people do 
> >not like to end the fights right now.  (By the way, some blood carders
> >used many rude words with me after they thought they finally got their
> >blood cards.)
> > 
> >So, don't count your blood card as the sure thing.  We 9201 people will use
> >whatever resource we have to bring this fight to the very end.
> > 
> >shannon
> >-------
>  I really enjoy your Chinese postings. Would you please write your message
>  all in Chinese? I mean, fron now on until the "very end" please.


I guess Shannon is a patriot. Therefore, he used Chinese characters a lot.  
Although, it is extremely time-consuming to prepare a post like that, he was  
still happy to do so to show his patriotism. 

Later, he suddenly found that by using characters, he lost a huge amount of  
American audience, which is a great lost to his 9201 campaign (just like Ross  
Perol sometimes feels that his Texas accent does more harm than help to his  
campaign.)  So, suggested by his top advisors like Mr. Zuo, he changed his  
appearance. This proved to be a great success because a lot of US employers  
have summoned their human resources administrators for emergency meetings and  
drafted future employment plan for them. In these new employment plans, one  
thing is clear: ban "blood carders" from position other than janitors in their  
companies. The side-effect of this campaign, which is not so good, is that  
Shannon's company is also considering promoting him as "chief janitor" of their  
headquarter. Shannon will be informed in the new future if the company could  
not find more suitable personnel.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 10:42:05 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

There have been many posts about Oct. 1 or Oct. 10 as the national
days of China. Let me raise a question. From the point of view as
Chinese people, disregard any political party, which day is more
important to China for us to celebrate?

Oct. 10 is the day for Chinese people to overthrow Qing dynasty and 
the Emperor and founded a republic, Republic of China. Under the
leadership of Jiang(Chiang), China won WWII and regained the territory
taken by Japan, including Taiwan.

Oct. 1 is the day PRC founded. Although CCP praised highly for
the founding of PRC, it is just a dynasty replacing another one 
from the point of view of history and Chinese people.

The good thing about PRC is that it completely kicked out foreign
powers out of China which suppressed China in last 200 years.
With the iron will of the most powerful man in China in this
century, Mao, no foreign power dares to invade China. As the
most powerful nation in the world, United States learnt two
bitter lessons in Korea and Vietnam in confrontation with China.
This is a great and remarkable point in modern history of China.

On the opposite, the founding of PRC divided China into two parts,
Mainland and Taiwan. The mismanagement of PRC government under
Mao made many Chinese people suffered a great difficulty of life
for many years. Today, under the leadership of Deng, China is on
the right road and enjoying the highest economic growth rate in
the world. The living standard has been improved greatly in 
last 14 years. However, the unification of China still have a
long way to go.

Which day is more important to Chinese people? I would like
to hear the opinions of netters.


J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xchen@pluto.ral.rpi.edu (Xin Chen)
Subject: Re: Protection Bill Signed into Law.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:46:34 GMT

  I would like a copy of the bill S1216, would somebody please
 send it to me or post it to the newsgroup soc.culture.china .
 
   Thank You,

 Xin Chen
 xchen@ral.rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:50:01 GMT

In article <Bw88w8.7J6@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> In article <92Oct16.035841.14065@acs.ucalgary.ca> zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca  
(Yuejin Zhang) writes:
> >Are you sure about this? As I know, there are specific amounts of money
> >or prices, maybe different in each provinces, for bailing out a PhD,
> >MSc, BSc. What you mean by "fact"? BTW, I have payed off everything as
> >asked, even it's "up to me".
> 
> 	That's bad of course. Using the way of collecting money to eliminate
> 	"brain drain" has many negative effects.
> 
> >This seems a different can of worms. I need the "fact" that universities
> >actully make money by doing researches.
> 
> 	Part of the reason your "boss" gets money from NSF or whatever places 
> 	is because you do research for him (her).
> 
> >Using your own logic, CSS have definitely covered their cost in China
> >"Fact": similar quality of researches and lower pays.
> 
> 	Exactly, starting from his (her) MSc study, the student becomes a
> 	contributer toward the people in China when he (she) is involed in
> 	research works. We respect the contribution done by these MSc, PhD,
> 	PostDr etc.
> 
> 

Then, could you please tell why MSc. and Ph.D holders should pay more back to  
the government if they want to go abroad.

Carl
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Please provides address of
Date: 12 Oct 1992 17:38:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


a company or companies that are located in China or Hong Kong or
Taiwan that are selling Martial Arts equipments or manufacture
Martiall Arts equipments and weapons.

Also addresses of companies to fabrics Chinese Kung-Fu costumes,
and/or Chinese dynasties costumes, like warrior, emperors costumes.

Need this information for a recreation event that will held here soon.

Will appreciate your prompt reply through e-mail.

-- 
Before you judge the action of a person, THINK!
Re-examine yourself first!  
What have I done to deserve this?  Answer it!
Then, let GOD be the judge of all!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:36:27 GMT

cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>what Taiwan is now.  

That is interesting.  My dog thinks (I think) something similar to
that that he is much better off being an American dog than being those
dying Somalian.  Fortunately, Taiwanese (Chinese in general) have
something that my dog doesn't, dignity.

Chuan Lee
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27486 soc.culture.taiwan:14244 soc.culture.hongkong:12272
From: ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:11:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sp1.YCHEN.92Oct11161104
	<1992Oct11.175529.22944@chpc.utexas.edu>
Organization: /homes/ychen/.organization

In article <1992Oct11.175529.22944@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:

 > Someone can even
 >   go further to argue that
 >
 >		   |
 >	      -----|-----
 >		   ^
 >		  /'\
 >		 /   \
 >		/     \
 >
 >   should be 'human', who is responsable for cutting off his hands and organ?

As my understanding, this word makes sense at all. Image that a person
wants to describe something big to his friends; he/she will entend his/her
arms as far as possible just as this word illustrates. The original word for
human is a graphic of a human standing there. Don't ask me where are
his/her arms. Otherwise, I will ask where are his/her mouth and brain :).

ychen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27720 soc.culture.hongkong:12421 soc.culture.taiwan:14323
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:16:05 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff) writes:
>**************************************************************************
>		 SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY
>**************************************************************************
>Please send me your answers to this survey by e-mail.
>Again, please reply by E-MAIL, to 
>   matloff@heather.cs.ucdavis.edu
>I will announce the statistical results.

Interesting, would Mr. Matloff be so kind as telling us the purpose 
of this survey? After all, our opinion would have absolutly no impact
at all on the outcome of this election. Why would you need such meaningless
information?

Netters please forgive my suspicion. But judging from Mr. Matloff's past
behavior on SCT, I'd think twice before sending in my response.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:19:42 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.232426.19603@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
> 
>Giving 40 years, Purto Rico will be no difference than any other U.S. state.

How do you know? 

>Philipine's income was 10 to 20 times higher than Taiwanese 20 or 30 years 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ago when U.S. was still in control, but went down steadily when U.S. gave up
                                                                      ^^^^^^^
>all the political power to Marcos.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the early 50s, Philipine GNP/per capita was about US$500 and Taiwan's was
several times less than Philipine's (I think it was about US $100-200). 

Marcos took over the power in the early 70s. By that time, Philipine has been 
independent more than 20 years.

I think Mr. Chang should write more carefully or need some reading.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: What do I think about the "Protection Bill" ?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:54:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.155334.26286@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>	The silent beneficiaries of the Protection Act do not have to get
>on the bus. They can refuse to get green cards under it. Once they do
>however, they are taking a moral stand on the issue.
>
>	To continue the bus analogy, the bus was stolen. Anyone who takes
>a ride on the bus knowing it was stolen is just as responsible (at least
>morally) as those who did the actual stealing.

  You are not talking about America, though, which was supposedly robbered
  from native Indians?

-ping