HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ped@crchh7.BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Subject: Re: A&M on ABC (was Re: LSU/A&M Spread?)
Reply-To: ped@crchh7.BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 14:31:32 GMT

In article Jammer Jim writes:
|>In <1992Sep2.224923.20611@ods.com> richard@ods.com writes:
|>
|>> I remember that game vividly, it was at Kyle Field, not in Waco. 
|>
|>  Well I remember that game.  I think it was the best I've ever seen
(esp since
|>we won).  I believe it was voted game of the decade by the SWC sportswriters.
|>And followed up by an equally-wild game not two weeks later where the
Ags beat
|>SMU (pre-death penalty) 35-31 at Texas Stadium.  Well over 90% of
those present
|>seemed to be Aggies that day, judging by the amount of swaying during the
|>War Hymn.
|>
|>  For excitement and great play, these were the best games I've ever been to.
|>

Howdy!  First of all, I never said it was in waco I said the little
bears were from waco.   :-)

As for the SMU game, I seem to remember that it was SMU's homecoming
game and we (The Fightin' Texas Aggies) still a lot more people that the
poonies.

As Freedom Williams would say "Indeed", those were (are) the best games
I have ever experienced.

Beat the Class of '90 hell outta lsu...

Pedro '90

Name:	  Pedro C. Luna	                      |   
E-mail:   ped@bnr.ca                          |   
Org:      Bell-Northern Research              |

"Some may boast with prowess bold
 of the school they think so grand,
 but there is a spirit, can ne'er be told
 it's THE SPIRIT OF AGGIELAND...."   Whoop
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Colorado update
Summary: Is Kordell Stewart the man at QB?
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations



Junior QB Van Joseph has been complaining of soreness in his arm and
rested it for three days last week before Saturday's closed scrimmage.
He reportedly played pretty well, delivering a 60-yard bomb to freshman
WR James Kidd, but got only half as many snaps with the first-team
offense as sophomore Kordell Stewart and still has pain when he throws.
It is suspected that he's being "groomed" to run the scout team, since
coach McCartney has noted that six CU opponents run some kind of option
offense, but Vance is talking like a team player and not complaining.
Although McCartney requested that the writers not publish statistics,
the Daily Camera gave lots of evidence that Stewart was much more
efficient passing the ball on Saturday (again) than Joseph.  He hasn't
named the starter yet, or even said when the announcement would be made,
but everyone's expecting it today.

Also in Saturday's scrimmage, Pat Blottiaux presumably won the field
goal kicking position as his duel with punter/PK Mitch Berger finally
heated up: Blottiaux hit from 54 and 43 yards, and Berger hit from 47
while missing short from 50 into a slight breeze.

TE Christian Fauria suffered a bruised quadriceps and had to leave the
scrimmage after making a leaping, turning catch.  His injury wasn't
believed to be serious.

Freshman Koy Detmer took some snaps with the second-team for the first
time and played well against the first-team defense.

The team elected ILB Greg Biekert, OLB Chad Brown, and RT Jim Hansen
captains last week.

After leading the nation in kickoff returns in '89 (and ranking second
in punt returns), CU plummeted to 101st in '91 (right behind Oklahoma,
Texas, Miami, and Washington :-).  McCartney has assigned both return
teams to a single assistant, defensive line coach Bob Simmons, instead
of splitting the jobs between coaches.  More importantly, the return men
will specialize in one of the two; unfortunately, the competition is
being limited to the receivers, even though FS Chris Hudson had the
team's longest return last year.  Michael Westbrook, who's been the most
productive pass catcher, is also the early favorite to return kick-offs.

CSU note: coach Earle Bruce named redshirt freshman Van Ward as starting
tailback for the Rams.  Ward is the slowest (4.6 in the 40) of all the
CSU tailbacks (the fastest is Leonice Brown, who's run a sub-4.3 40),
but was called a more complete player by Bruce.  Earle's rallying cry to
stir up the folks in Fort Collins is, "We won't be ninth in the WAC this
year".  That's right up there with, "We'll show them who's a toadying
lacky" (or whatever Mark Mitchell said to Rutgers' coach).
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. Tamu
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:04:04 GMT

max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang) writes:
> A friend and I were watching the game, and we were discussing one of
> Stanford's coaching decisions.  Near the end of the 1st half, Stanford
> had the ball at around midfield.  But then it seemed Stanford made no
> effort to get within field goal range.  Didn't see anyone bring this up;
> anyone else notice this, or does everyone think "Walsh must have been
> trying to protect the ball, not give up a lucky score on an INT".
> Thoughts, opinions?

IMHO, there were two *coaching decisions* that DID have a great impact
on the outcome of this football game.  These two situations both
required an accurate assessment of the game situation, and the making of
a difficult decision.

The first one is that which Fude mentioned above.  Walsh was the one
that decided (ultimately) not to try to score from around midfield near
the end of the second half.  The situational circumstance was one that
he could have greatly reduced A&M's ability to come out for the second
half with a positive outlook by scoring and greatly increased his own
teams outlook from the frustration of the futility of not scoring
previously, and of not attempting to score then.  The difficulty was the
risk of, and large consequences of making a mistake.  Walsh had enough
momentum, time, and field position to work with.  He decided not to act;
he was content with a seven point lead; this set the stage for the
second half.

In the second half, Slocum was faced with a situation that his chosen
quarterback for this season was still playing as poorly as he had in the
first half and the team was not moving on offense and clearly, was not
going to.  The difficulty, his next quarterback was even less
experienced, and the risk of making a mistake, and the large
consequences of such a mistake were high.  He decided to act; he would
take out his chosen quarterback, and put in true freshman Pullig, then
sophomore Miller, in order to do what the his understanding of the game
situation required in order to win.

The first decision by Walsh resulted in a failure to create a pattern
that would have likely meant victory for Stanford.  The second decision
by Slocum resulted in a opportunity to break a pattern which meant
defeat for A&M.
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas       
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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Where the pro-ACC stand ends
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.160552.16171@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
  [ some ACC talk deleted...]
>
> When it comes to Virginia, I have never seen a more obnoxious bunch of idiots
> ever rub in a win so much every year as Virginia. Because the Virginia
> marching band decided to publicly ridicule another school, they got what
> was coming to them. Thomas Jefferson would be embarassed if he were alive.
> I understand that some Virginia fans are sane people with class, but I hate to
> tell you, you need to hold a majority before I take a pro-ACC stand.
>

Interesting.  In my years ar Clemson I was in the band and had the opportunity
to travel to ALL away games and I must agree- UVa folks are by far the rudest
bunch I have ever run into.  At other games, sure we win and the other teams
win, but the fans usually aren't downright rude to one another.  That is,
unless you're at UVa.  

Nuff said.

>  
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>   I'm kinda interested in to what the perception of the UWisc program is
>   to college football fans around the country. While hopes are always
>   high around here, we've never had recruiting classes like Alvarez has
>   attracted to this program. Also what are the thoughts up in the great
>   northwest. Is there even any apprehension about facing a young, up-and-
>   coming team? (BTW, 11 years ago a similar UWisc team upset #1 Michigan 21-14
>   in the season opener) I'm sure Cliff could answer that last question.
>

To be perfectly honest, we aren't too worried.  Don James is pretty good at 
taking one game at a time, so I doubt that he will look past Wisconsin.
The rest of the team may, however.  It is our home opener, so the team
may either be very pumped or else distracted by the hype.  We'll have to
see on the 12th...

By the way, are any of our Wisconsin posters headed to Seattle for the game?

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Paying athletes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:14:47 GMT
Keywords: was Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden

In article <67123@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
> 
>IMHO, real jobs are should be allowed.

I think they are.   IMO, playing football is a job.  It is of
the school, by the school, and for the school.  (Got a little
blustery in this election year.)

> -- 
> BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
> Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Summary: BS
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:55:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: na
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO

In article <1992Aug26.125257.3984@infonode.ingr.com> harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin) writes:

>
>To add to your smiley faces, BAMA kicked the Buffs butts in the Blockbuster
>bowl and it wasn't as close as the score indicated.  We kept helping you
>boys to keep you in the game to keep it interesting and help CBS's ratings.
>
>	ROLL TIDE

Maybe you turned the game of or were watching another game. The final score
of the BlockBuster Bowl was Albama 30 Colorado 25. I wonder how a 5 point game
can be called a butt kicking considering that Colorado's defense held BAMA to
22 inches per play in the first half. I also remember BAMA having to rely on
a lot of special teams points. The only catagory BAMA out matched the BUFFS was
on offense and this is all McCartney's falt for experimenting with a new 
offense in a major bowl game. 

In a rematch BAMA wouldn't be so lucky.

	-ethan


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: meb@cim3.Columbia.NCR.COM (Mark Barnes)
Subject: Re: Remember Todd Ellis? From SC?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:54:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.151026.1546@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>WHERE IS TODD? He blew it in his preseason opening drive at
>Denver, but is he in Arena football or the WLAF? WHere is he these
>days? Is he sitting at home putting his USC degree to work?
>I haven't been in SC long enough recently to ask anyone at
>Carolina hwere he went, but if any of you know, I'd appreciate
>it.. :)
>
>-- Venk --

Todd is still in this (Columbia, SC) area working for a radio station and
doing promotional stuff, etc.  He made some attempts at the WLAF but didn't
make it.  He then was going to play for the Columbia team in the Spring
League, but of course that league didn't pan out.  I think he's given up
on football.  


MEB
From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Keywords: FSU, upsets
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:05:52 GMT

gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>The memory of 1987 game (I think
>this is the right year) against Miami must still be painful.  

>...  They got embarrassed and 
>crushed on national television 31-0 by the 'Canes.  

It was 1988.  It was...unpleasant.  I went with 6 other Nole fans, and a dyed-
in-the-wool Gator.  FSU was cocky that year, but got put in their place in the
longest 60 minutes I have ever spend in a football stadium (giving the Orange
Bowl the benefit of the doubt...).

--
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: The Mickey Mouse Bowl
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:39:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.195954.14959@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>While I can't claim to be intimate with all the details of the game (I ended up
>awake to see about a dozen or so plays in the third quarter) my favorite play 
>(which come to think of it happened in the first half . . .) was when the Texas
>A&M defensive back danced about the Stanford running back taunting him after 
>the wicked blow he put on the guy following the 7+ yard gain.  Really struck me
>as odd . . .
>
>     - Pat

I noticed this too, especially in the first few series.  A&M players looked
like a "Miami Hurricane JV team" with their showboating on every play, even
plays where Stanford gained a first down...   strange


John L


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (Wesley Aldridge)
Subject: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?
Summary: starting trouble 
Keywords: huskies
Reply-To: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:25:29 GMT

wessir


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sdrew@eng.clemson.edu (steven drew)
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Reply-To: sdrew@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:55:26 GMT

>Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

>DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
>fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 

Thank God somebody up there has some sense!

GO TIGERS!


Steven Drew

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Auburn questions
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:47:00 GMT

kmartin@sedist.cray.com (Ken Martin) writes:

>*  Do we have many returning players from last year, and if so, will it 
>   help?

Auburn is looking fairly young and thin at this time, although we do
have good leadership returning on both sides of the ball - Stan White
who says he's going to transform the Mr. Nice Guy approach into more
of an intense presence, and James Willis who is just about over all of
the nagging injuries which have kept his production low by his
standards. 

>*  Is Stan White finally going to produce for us this year?

It is fairly difficult to throw very well from your back.  Perhaps the
question should be "Is the Auburn line going to block so that Stan
White can produce for us this year?"

>*  What's the story on the #1 high school running back from South Carolina 
>   that Auburn recruited?  Is he supposed to contribute this year, or is he 
>   on probation or something?

Prop 48.  Kinda weird because I thought that I recalled that he had
like a 3.2 GPA.

>*  How effective will Randy Campbell be as quarterback coach given that he 
>   played for AU when we had a wishbone attack?  Are we still going to run 
>   the "I" formation?

Good coaches can coach any position well.

>*  Has Pat Dye gotten back to his old self after the stress of last year?  
>   Will he be able to do a good job?

He hasn't been coughing yet.  He seems more laid back than in previous
years. 

>*  What is the latest on the Eric Ramsey crap?  NCAA investigation or 
>   not--and when?

The latest is that Donald Watkins now alleges that AU alums used their
influence to get the FBI to investigate ER for extortion.  Bad, bad
alumni.

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL        War Damn Eagle!
                                      Hey Bama, see ya in Auburn!
                                      Hey Eric, tape this! (|) <- butt
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M vs. Stanford
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:21:13 GMT
Distribution: na

Steve Chapin writes
+ }} In article <66980@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU  
(BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
+ }} 
+ }} Although not an Aggie fan, I too got tired of hearing about "Walsh's  
genius."
+ }} They only scored 7 points?  Not really mind-numbing offense is it?
+ 
+ No, watching Granger throw one-hoppers to his receivers, *that's*
+ mind-numbing offense.

Speaking of NumbedMinds, what's Beano "$tanfraud by 3 TD's" Cook
saying? 

Or do I have him confused with someone else???

James
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:57:34 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <la4alpINNm4@cronkite>, andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:

> Hey,  that is what summer is for.  One can work out,  10-15 hours
> a week & be able to get a summer job that they can make a couple of
> thousand to give them money ot spend for the year.  

I understand summer jobs are verboten as well.  Too many were created
by boosters as covers for under-the-table payments.

 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: What would you think if....?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:47:35 GMT


What would you think if a team continued woofing about beating its rival
in 1990, when in 1991 this team had been slaughtered by its in-state rival
38-0.

Thats right,

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         3     8        8             0         0
         3     8        8             0         0
333333333       88888888   ---------- 0         0
         3     8        8  ---------- 0         0
         3     8        8             0         0
         3     8        8             0         0
333333333       88888888               000000000


this is of course, purely hypothetical.
any resemblance to any actual woofing is purely accidental.

-rob

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu (Corn)
Subject: Re: Iowa???
Keywords: hello?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:22:57 GMT

In article <Btuy6E.E6I@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:

|> What happened to all the Iowa/B1? woofers?

Excuse me, but is there another college football newsgroup I don't know about? 
So far this year, I've seen one post which could be called a woof (in reference
to Miami taking Iowa for granted and suffering for it).  Regarding the KO
Classic, I read two posts predicting a close NC State victory, one predicting a
close Iowa victory, and one (posted by someone from _Virginia_, an NC State
rival, no?) predicting an Iowa blowout of absurd proportions.  In addition, I 
posted a prediction of a 20-20 tie, based on memories of previous Iowa failures
in similar games. So to answer your question, they pretty much never existed to 
begin with, not on this newsgroup, anyway.

|> 
|> This is going to be a real low traffic season if things don't
|> pick up.
|> 

Fear not.  As long as internet stays up at Miami, UDub, Florida, Michigan,
Florida State, Cal, Stanford, etc., you should have plenty to read and respond to.

|>
|> Michael Nelson
|>

__________________________________________________________________________________
bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu                    

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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: A college player's thoughts on a stipend...
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:04:33 GMT

Amen, Brett.

I think with all the woofing and whining, we sometimes lose sight of the
larger issues of this great game.

I know a couple of players in Ann Arbor that would agree whole-heartedly with
your sentiments, so you've got a lot of company at just about every
institution, I would imagine.

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