HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pmadden@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Subject: Re: The Mysterious Float Serve
Reply-To: pmadden@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:27:14 GMT

Whew!  There sure is a lot of discussion on this one. 
I did a term paper for my Mechanics class last year on
this very subject (I'm a physics major, and will graduate
in May).  There were no references in science journals
which dealt with the volleyball in particular, but there
were several articles on the knuckleball pitch in baseball
which is essentially the same thing.  Now the researchers
did lots of tests on the ball in wind tunnels and found
that for the maximum "floating" the ball should rotate
about 1/4 of a turn.  The reason the ball floats erratically
is that the air flow around the ball causes an uneven wake,
like you see behind a boat, and the slightest change in
the "boundary layer" (the area just outside the surface
of the ball where the air flow shifts from stagnant to
moving) will cause an unbalanced shift in the wake which
in turn causes a force in the opposite direction on the
ball itself.  For a baseball, the slightly changing position
of the seams causes the ball to move.  For a volleyball,
the seams, the valve, the scratch you put on the ball when
you bounced it off the scoreboard, all can have effects.
The effects are chaotic however, and a relative to the
speed, position, and many other things.  In my experience,
I have never noted any consistency in the action of the
serve due to the position of the valve, and don't really
thinkf there is any.  I am too tired to look up my references
from the scientific journals, but I assure you I am not making
this up.  Also, and Fluid Dynamics textbooks will have
sections on spheres moving through fluids, and even that
simplified model will help anyone understand.


Pat Madden
pmadden@dumpster.helios.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Back-row blocking FAQ
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:07:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan7.222006.6236@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:

> Question:  Were you playing coed?  And were you playing sixes?  In coed play,
> sometimes they let guys come up to help block.  This is not an official rule.

It IS in the official rulebook, under "Special Rules" (1-d) on page 73.
Whether or not that makes it an "official rule..."
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From: kjmiller@mitre.org (Kevin Miller)
Subject: Kneepads
Followup-To: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: MITRE
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:31:13 GMT

I'm looking for a new pair of kneepads.  Any recommendations out there?

My old ones are the flat style with a round, felt patch in the center of
the pad, and elastic the width of the pad.  All of the ones I've seen so
far by  Mizano, Bike, Franklin, and ASIC are the knobby or bubble style
with elastic that extends above and below the pad.  I've tried on a pair of
ASICs and found that they didn't fit.  I have fairly skinny legs and the
elastic above and below the pad was not tight enough to hold it in place
when my knee is bent.  I also found the pad did not flex at all with my
knee.

Specific questions:
1) I expect the pad to flex with my knee, and elastic above and below the
pad to STAY PUT when I bend my knee.  Is this reasonable?
2) Does anyone have experience with Mizano pads?  The package claimed one
size fits all.  I'm skeptical given my skinny legs and experience with the
ASICs, which also appeared to come in only one size.
3) How is the abrasion resistance of the bubble style pads with cotton
covers?  The felt patches on my old ones have held up extremely well,
particularly considering my knee pads get way too much abuse (I know, I
know: MOVE YOUR FEET).

Please respond by e-mail if possible, although news posting are OK.  I'll
post a summary if there's interest.
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From: fred@wuee1.wustl.edu (Fred U. Rosenberger)
Subject: How small rotation required for effective float serve?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:14:59 GMT




How little spin is required for an effective float serve?
One revolution of the ball from server to receiver?
One/half revolution?
Less?

Thanks,

Fred
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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Italian League: Serie A and B Scores/Standings (Jan 10 Games)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:08:29 GMT

Since I'm been really busy these days, I haven't had the time to
compile the usual scorer and match reports with the Serie A scores.
I'll get around to posting this either later on Monday or, most
probably, on Tuesday. For the time being, here are the scores for
the Serie A and B games played earlier today, with the updated tables:


Serie A Week 15; Games played Sunday, January 10, 1993:

Atalanta	3	Roma		1
Foggia		1	Inter		3
Lazio		2	Brescia		0
Milan		1	Cagliari	0
Parma		1	Genoa		0
Pescara		4	Ancona		3
Sampdoria	1	Juventus	1
Torino		0	Napoli		1
Udinese		4	Fiorentina	0

Serie A standings after 15 Games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		12	3	0	36	14	27	4
Inter		8	3	4	28	21	19	-3
Lazio		6	6	3	32	22	18	-5
Atalanta	8	2	5	20	21	18	-5
Juventus	5	6	4	27	20	16	-6
Torino		4	8	3	17	12	16	-7
Sampdoria	5	6	4	28	26	16	-7
Parma		7	2	6	18	18	16	-7
Fiorentina	5	5	5	29	27	15	-7
Cagliari	6	3	6	14	15	15	-7
Udinese		6	2	7	23	21	14	-9
Brescia		4	6	5	16	21	14	-8
Genoa		3	7	5	23	32	13	-9
Foggia		5	3	7	19	28	13	-10
Roma		4	4	7	17	18	12	-10
Napoli		5	2	8	22	26	12	-10
Pescara		3	2	10	23	35	8	-15
Ancona		3	2	10	25	40	8	-14


Serie B, Week 18; Games played Sunday, January 10, 1993:

Cesena		1	Ascoli		2
Cosenza		3	Spal		1
Cremonese	4	Bari		0
Andria		0	Piacenza	0
Lecce		3	Bologna		0
Modena		2	Venezia		0
Monza		0	Taranto		0
Padova		2	Lucchese	1
Pisa		0	Reggiana	1
Verona		2	Ternana		0


Serie B standings after 18 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Reggiana	11	7	0	24	5	29	2
Lecce		8	8	2	25	21	24	-3
Cremonese	9	5	4	37	22	23	-4
Cosenza		7	9	2	20	10	23	-4
Venezia		8	6	4	24	15	22	-5
Ascoli		8	5	4	26	15	21	-4   **
Piacenza	7	7	4	20	14	21	-6
Padova		7	6	5	22	18	20	-7
Verona		7	6	5	19	16	20	-7
Cesena		5	7	6	19	17	17	-10
Pisa		6	5	6	10	11	17	-9   **
Bari		6	4	7	18	22	16	-8   **
Bologna		6	4	8	16	21	16	-11
Modena		5	6	7	14	22	16	-11
Monza		3	9	6	11	17	15	-12
Spal		3	8	7	12	22	14	-13
Lucchese	2	8	8	13	19	12	-15
Andria		1	9	7	12	20	11	-16  **
Taranto		2	7	9	11	25	11	-16
Ternana		1	6	11	11	32	8	-19

** Have played one less game.

That's all for now. More news on Tuesday...

Marco...
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From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Celtic are awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:26:50 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

All Celtic fans whose pusses were closing and then opened are now
well and truley shut after losing to Hertz, Uni-ted, and Hunz
in 1-0 defeats. They no longer own their ground, their liabilities are
twice the size of their assests, Parkheid is rumbling, the word
Cassidy has been banned in  the jungle, The Bank wants money in interest
Rangers are streets ahead, christ United are streets ahead of them in technique
and talent.
God, they can't even beat Aberdeen or Dundee!!!!!

Lets face it 25 years ago is just that, a memory.
Celtic are crap, the team has no heart and McAvennie will be shite
He is 32 now!!!
Bonner, Boyd, Marshall, Mowbray, Gillespie, Whyte(left), McStay, Collins
, Miller, Coyne, Fulton, and Brady are all crap, old, ageing, unfit,
well-paid pro con-men!!!

On their tombstone writeth, 

Here lies Celtic F.C. - R.I.P.
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NCAA v. FIFA rules
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:49:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

---------------------------
were brothers - wonder if they still are :-) ). They almost always protested
some of the calls and someone had to constantly remind them that NCAA ruled
here! 

Anyway, one day, we went to play against some team in Manchester (New
Hampshire, you understand) and these two brothers brought their mother along
who was visiting at the time. One of our players got sent off and the refs
(they always have two of them and no linesmen) said something quoting NCAA
and said further that the playing who had received the marching orders should
in fact get completely out of sight. One of the brothers started protesting
----------------------------
                           
Point 1. NCAA rules are actually very similar except in administrative areas. 
The fouls are the same, with NCAA adding a mandatory caution for "Incidental 
Foul Language" (The player that yells "Sh**" after missing a goal, for 
example). The Goalkeeper restrictions are a season behind (hopefully to be 
caught up soon). However, the rules give the referees the right to forfeit 
the game for certain reasons, certainly not something FIFA allows as a 
referee power or duty.

Point 2. FIFA (USSF, all state associations) also require that a player sent 
off leave the field and surrounding area. College requires that the player 
retire to the dressing room. However, this is often enforced poorly, if at 
all. Also, circumstance sometimes doesn't provide for a dressing room, or a 
way for a travelling player to leave the area, until the entire team goes. 
Preventative refereeing would help here. Many refs will allow a player to 
stay, say in the stands (but off the team bench) unless he interferes further 
with the game.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: QPR vs Manchester United
Organization: Wits University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:50:41 RSA

Ooh a real toughie this weekend when QPR take on Man Utd at Loftus Road.
QPR are playing a vintage brand of football and United will find the
going tough. What is important is that United have struck good form
and are capable of pulling it off; they will need to if they want to remain
in the title chase. Who knows, they may even take their revenge of the 1-4
drubbing they took last New year's day at Old Trafford.
 
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From: andersen@sgi.elec.uq.oz.au (Hans Andersen)
Subject: World Cup Qualifier Dates (esp. Europe Grp 3)
Summary: Dates for World Cup Qualifiers (esp. group 3)
Keywords: world cup
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:10:57 GMT

Can anyone send me the dates for the world cup qualifiers.
I would like all of them but I (for reasons which you can 
work out) am particularly interested in the European 
Group 3.

Hans Andersen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:29:02 GMT

In article 6JAN199312220119@elroy.uh.edu, math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Douglas luo) writes:
>In article <9301052143.AA06816@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes...
>>In it's infinite wisdom, the NCAA decided that the implementation of
>>the backpass rule (which all other countries implemented last July)
>>would be too much of a hardship for the college coaches to train their
>>players.
>> 
>>Give me a break, this is not rocket science here.
>> 
>>Apparently, the NCAA will comply _next_ season.
>
>Can anyone explain how this backpass rule works? What's the penalty?
>Thanks.
>
>Doug
>
>SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.
>
>


When a player kicks the ball to his own goalkeeper, the latter is NOT allowed
to take the ball in his hands. The penalty is an indirect free kick, something
any team would like to avoid at the position where a keeper is usually located.
Headers back to the keeper, and I think even throw-in's, do not fall under this
new rule. It should be added, that there has to be some intention from the part of
the player. A ball which deflects off a defender CAN be picked up by the goalkeeper,
though half the stadium will probably demand an indirect free-kick no matter what.

Gustaaf van Moorsel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qual. Groups (Europe)
From: ioffe@black.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:12:23 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
: In article <01GPZW1L2G9E9OEC4R@vaxc.hofstra.edu>,
: ACCGAT@vaxc.hofstra.edu (Garen Tchopourian) writes:
: |>
: |>Hey guys,
: |>
: |>  In case if you are interested in who's on top of their groups here is a
: |>break_down :
: |>
: |>  Group1       Group2        Group3        Group4        Group5       Group6
: |>  ======       ======        ======        ======        ======       ======
: |>1-Switzerl.    Norway        Ireland       Belgium       Greece
: Bulgaria
: |>2-Portugal     Poland        Lithuania     Romania       Hungary      Sweden
: |>3-Italy        England       N. Ireland    Wales         Russia       France
: |>4-Scotland     Turkey        Spain         Czechosol.    Iceland      Israel
: |>5-Malta        Netherland    Denmark       Cyprus        Luxembourg   Austria
: |>6-Estonia      San Marino    Latvia        Faroe Isl.                 Finland
: |>                             Albania
: |>			
: |>  I'd like to see some of your predictions on who's gonna come 1st and 2nd in
: |>their groups. I'll post mine soon.
: |>
:
: Ok.
:
:   Group1    Group2    Group3    Group4    Group5     Group6
:
: 1.Italy     Norway    Ireland   Belgium   Hungary    France
: 2.Switzerl. Netherlds.N.Irelnd. Romania   Russia     Sweden

    Group1    Group2    Group3    Group4    Group5     Group6
  1.Italy     England   Spain     Belgium   Russia     Sweden
  2.Switzerl. Norway    Ireland   Romania   Hungary    Bulgaria
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:29:55 GMT

: In it's infinite wisdom, the NCAA decided that the implementation of
: the backpass rule (which all other countries implemented last July)
: would be too much of a hardship for the college coaches to train their
: players.
: 
: Apparently, the NCAA will comply _next_ season.


  You have to remember when the Federation season begins.  Their 'season'
  starts with the beginning of the school year.  Therefore, the rules were
  already in place for 92-93 (September-June).  So, when FIFA implemented
  their 1992 Memorandum - effective July, the Federation (College/High School)
  rules were already out - ready for September '92.  

  By the beginning of the 93-94 school year (this coming September) I would
  expect the Federation to also implement the thrust of FIFA's memorandum.
  (I could be wrong though)

  NISOA (National Intercollegiate Soccer Officials Association) seems to be
  getting closer and closer to US Soccer officiating a la FIFA.  They have
  even published a 'joint' Procedures For Referees and Linesmen, in trying
  to standardize referee techniques and mechanics at all levels of play.

  Feedback from the recent national meeting of referee administrators seems
  to imply that their thrust is One Game - One Set of Rules. 

  Hard to remember what rules go to what game - much less which referee patch
  to wear..........



-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first. 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Summary: CORRECTION
Keywords: Ricky George, Ron Radford, Hereford United, Newcastle United
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:43:58 GMT

In article <C0GD7A.At2@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>The most exciting giant-killer game I ever witnessed was then non-league
>Hereford United beating then first division Newcastle United 2-1 in a replay
>after a 2-2 draw in 1972.  That goal, Ricky George's, I think, will remain
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in my opinion, the best goal I ever saw!


Well bless me, I made an error.  Thanks to Sean Clarke for e-mailing
me the correct goalscorer:


Sean writes:
+ Garry, just for info, Ron Radford scored the 'scorchah' from 35 yards
+ to make it 1-1, and Ricky George got the winner. Probably Ron's goal
+ is the one you remember that won goal of the month/season/decade.
+ 
+ My father was on the pitch along with 15,000 others after that goal.
+ I was too young, unfortunately

Garry replies:
= Sean!  Dang, blast it!  It was either Radford or George.  I "knew" it was
= Radford but you know when you start to do something (like typing in "Radford")
= you start to have doubts, "Hmmmm, was it George?" and then I couldn't
= remember at all.  I tried to remember the name announced on the video "101
= Great Goals" but it just wouldn't come to me.  I don't have as many brain
= cells as I did 10 years ago!  So I pulled out my books about British footy
= and bless me, there was a photograph of McFaul diving across his goal as the 
= ball flew in the net.  I assumed it was "the" goal.  The caption states, 
= 
= 	"Ricky George's extra-time shot flies past Newcastle United 
= 	keeper Ian McFaul and Hereford thus becomes the first non-League 
= 	side to defeat First Division opposition for nearly a quarter of 
= 	a century.  It was this win which effectively gained Hereford a 
= 	place in the Fourth Division in 1972."
= 
= I still had me doubts, but I couldn't find another reference anywhere.
= So I blew it!  Oh well, at least its not the first time...


Hold on there... an error in my book, perhaps?  Wasn't that Iam, not Ian,
McFaul, the Newcastle United goalkeeper?  Damn memory's on the blink!  But
I do remember someone had this rare name from some 20 years ago.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: AC Milan
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:00:04 GMT

In article <9301121754.AA08111@zeus.physast.uga.edu>, loris@zeus.physast.uga.edu (Loris Magnani) writes:
> I'VE WAITED 30 YEARS FOR THIS PERIOD OF DOMINATION AND I'M GOING TO
> BLOODY WELL ENJOY IT. 

And so you should too, don't let anybody spoil it for you - they're only
jealous. Now if Chelsea could just repay my 30+ years with one bloody trophy
I'd be happy.

Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala)
Subject: Re: WC Games Tie-Break Soltion
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:44:28 GMT

In article <MOORES-110193131748@47.107.70.251> MOORES@BNR.CA (Richard Moores) writes:
>IMHO the best solution I have ever heard for the breaking of ties in the
>world cup was "suprisingly", (based on the fact that I am a "don't mess
>with the rules  Brit" on most Footy issues :-) ), based upon a North
>American approach.
>
>Most sports here are decided by "sudden death overtime" (First to score
>wins, for those unfamiliar with the term), but FIFA has always argued that
>the safety risks of keeping players on the field indefinately preclude the
>adoption of this method of deciding drawn World Cup matches.
>
>It was suggested to me that the solution to this problem was also to be
>found in N.America, where in many soccer leagues unlimited substitutions
>are permitted, (in my experience anyway). The idea is this...
>
>During normal time, the rules on substitutions remain the same (only 2 from
>the 5 permitted to sit on the bench), but in the event of a drawn game
>Extra Time is added as it is now with 15 min "halves" but that it is not
>limited to just 2 halves. The teams play these 15 minute periods untill
>someone scores (just like Ice Hockey). During these periods of "overtime"
>the rule on substitutions changes and there is no limit on how many
>substitutions can be made, and all of the 5 benched players can be used.
>Therefore the risk of exhaustion is pre-empted by the rotation of players
>on and off the field (Again just like ice hockey).
>
>To me this solution was far and away the best idea I had heard regarding
>improvements to the "penalty shoot out" issue, and I believe would make for
>a far more exciting and fairer way of deciding the winner. No longer would
>teams be able to sit back and defend en masse to take their chances on
>penalties. Ultimately, I believe, the best team WOULD win.
>
>What do you think???
>
It seems that a good solution would be as you described...Have the regular
extra time periods (15 min or more) then have two more sudden death periods
(again 15 min). That's another hour of true soccer to avoid such things as
penalty kicks, or sugggestions like removing players from field. Of course
the problem is what to do if the game is still scoreless?! Maybe stay with
PKs or a similar item like breakaway from midfield with 15 sec to score. I
guess the idea is to reduce the possibility of going to PKs as much as
possible. One more thing...if we have this sudden death of 30 minutes more
it seems that it would make sense to have subs enter the game since the
players would be so exhausted and would be more apt to go into a defensive
shell.



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