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From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE!
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:18:56 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

From article <1992Nov13.212140.21131@news.Hawaii.Edu>, by mario@Hawaii.Edu:
> What do companies mean when they say "No phone calls please!"?

That means that if you call, you get put on my list of people not to hire.
Similarly, if I put "please do not respond by E-mail", and you send your
resume by E-mail, you go on the same list.  

If your resume and cover letter is good--it will be noticed.  But I simply
do not have time for people who cannot read and follow instructions.

-john-

-- 
==============================================================================
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: tse@foolish.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:09:07 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <greg.722362577@saltydog> greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
|In <1992Nov20.201518.7089@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
|
|>In article <1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
|>> In article <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com>, glenn@netcom.com (Glenn Gribble) writes:
|
|>> >    Ability and willingness to work 60+ hours per week when required (not 
|>> >    constantly).
|>>           Translation: Willingness to be a slave.
|
|>When the time comes to put in 60+ hours is when the excitement
|>happens! If you don't like it / can't cut it / think it's slavery,
|>then it's time to examine career alternatives.
|
|Occasional 60 hour weeks are one thing, but your first paragraph implies
|that you're willing to put up with it as a semi-permanent feature of the
|service sector workplace.  And you've bought into the management terrorism
|that says "sure, 40 hours are a 'standard' workweek, and that for which we're
|paying you, but if you work 'standard' hours you'll eventually be fired."
|
|If you're the guy who's working 20 hours a week for nothing (because
|you're being paid for 40 hours) ...

I don't get it.  The only thing unusual about this particular ad is that
it spells out the fact you will need to work 60 hours a week.  That's
nice.  You know what the requirements are when you apply for the job.
If you don't think you're willing to work that kind of hours, don't apply. 

BTW, where does this assumption of the "six figure compensation" being
for a 40 hour work week come from?  Nowhere in the ad does it say that.
In fact, if the job is like every other engineering job I've seen, you
don't get paid for the number of hours worked; you get paid for doing
the job.  

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders)
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Originator: kxs5829@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:40:24 GMT

In article <Bxzv8L.KHo@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
<In article <1992Nov19.080215.13878@nwnexus.WA.COM>, markmc@halcyon.com (Mark
<McWiggins) writes:
<|> The first time, we didn't tell the candidates that they'd be taking a
<|> test, which brought up a whole extra layer of dysfunctional test-taking
<|> behavior.
<
<That's fine if you're hiring people to take tests, or if your testing and
<support procedures are so poorly implemented that your code can get out the 
<door

	Don't look at it as a test, but as a problem to solve.  I think that's
reasonable to look at, since most people that I know who style themselves as
programmers are rather lousy at problem solving.

<Myself, I expect programmers to be able to solve real problems in a reasonable
<amount of time, and to test it suffuciently to avoid the ridiculous scenario you
<describe.  So I would have them bring code, explain it to me, and expain how
<they tested it.  This isn't "Beat the Clock," it's a marriage.

	If they can show and explain their own code, why not have them try an
arbitrary piece?

	- Kyle

-- 
+-"Remember, [MS]DOS is sort of a UNIX deviant already" - dmoscny@piglet.-----+
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From: mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:17:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl157.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov19.080215.13878@nwnexus.WA.COM>, markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
|> [... experience deleted ...]
|> After this experience, I'd never hire a software type without giving some 
|> sort of test.

At Hewlett-Packard, interviews consist mostly of tests.  Each engineer
here has his own repertoire of questions from which to draw.

I'm amazed when I hear that most companies DON'T test applicants!
I'm also amazed at how incompetent most applicants are :-(
Testing clearly reveals incompetence.

  _________________________________________________________________________
 |                                                                         |
 | Mark Overton,  Hewlett-Packard (San Diego Div),  mark@sdd.hp.com        |
 |                                                                         |
 |                 Friends don't let friends drive 286's.                  |
 |_________________________________________________________________________|
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: Source EDP wouldn't just mail me their Salary Survey
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:47:15 GMT

>I called the Source EDP office in my town to ask for their Salary
>Survey.  I asked at least three times if he would just mail it to me,
>but he pressured me to come in and talk to him.  So, I'm going to,
>but I wish they weren't so pushy.

I'd actually LIKE to go into Source EDP and talk to them.  However they
are insisting that I deal with a certain office (Chicago) because of
where I live, and I do not care to travel to Chicago.
-- 
/***********************************************************************\
| Phil Howard  ---  KA9WGN  ---  pdh@netcom.com   |   "The problem with |
| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
\***********************************************************************/
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: wiley@cactus.org (Mark S. Wiley)
Subject: Re: lost winter jacket
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:57:15 GMT

In article <6807@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> ciarfela@sigma.ece.ucsb.EDU (Paul Ciarfella) writes:
>
>   Sorry, its not here, we don't have winter jackets in Santa Barbara.
>
>   Paul C
>
>   (I couldn't resist)

Paul,

Your humor leaves me cold (and the poor person without a jacket feels
similarly I bet :-).

I couldn't resist either.



-- 
Mark S. Wiley
mark.wiley@cactus.org
My opinions are my opinions, in my opinion.
From: gao@bigbird.bu.edu (Yong)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Does IBM Hire F-1 Student? Info Needed
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:01:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
	Does anyone know IBM's hiring policy for foreign students with F-1


	Yong














Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:03:14 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Nov20.201518.7089@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>You're posting from a .edu account, so perhaps you don't know that
>working 60+ hours a week is sometimes required to get the job done.

   This is a common misperception that refuses to die.  People who
post from .edu sites aren't immune from deadlines, do actual work
for their salaries, and have positions which can be just as varied
as those who post from .com sites.  In fact, when I worked for what
you might term a "real" company, deadlines slipped all the time.
After all, the most that could happen was that we'd miss a sale.
Now, however, myself and some of my colleagues who post from .edu
sites have deadlines as hard or harder than most you'll find in the
industry.  For example, one colleague works on systems which find
microbursts and other potentially hazardous weather conditions in
real time at airports.  When the radar systems come online, the
pilots and air traffic controllers aren't going to sit around waiting
for a programmer to tighten up some code.  And in my job, we're tied
into space missions.  If my software isn't up and running when the
mission starts, NASA can't just hold up the launch, or fly another
mission.  *Those* are deadlines.  Don't be so quick to judge
somebody's opinions based solely on their Email address.
   That said, it's five o'clock, and time for me to go home. :-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: trent@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Trent Tucker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: On-line Job Listings for Colorado
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:27:53 GMT
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu


Hello-

I am trying to find employment in Colorado in the Boulder or Denver areas
(preferably Boulder), and I currently live in California.  Can anyone direct 
me to on-line job listings for this specific geographical area?  There must 
be listings that a person could either telnet into or ftp.  Can anyone give 
me any leads?

Actually, does anyone know of ways that I could get a hold of job listings for
this area in any format.  I have subscribed to the local newspaper.

Thanks for any help that you can provide.

Have a good weekend.

Trent
trent@cea.berkeley.edu

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From: ashar@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Pranav Ashar)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.wanted,us.jobs.misc,us.jobs.offered,us.wanted.misc,princeton.wanted
Subject: Research Associate Position at NEC USA, Princeton
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: ashar@ccrl.nj.nec.com
Distribution: na
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.

There is a programmer type (official title: Research Associate) position 
in the VLSI CAD group at C&C Research Labs, NEC USA in Princeton, NJ which 
needs to be filled immediately.  The feature of this position is that the 
person will be working closely with PhDs on research oriented topics in an
intellectually stimulating environment.  The person will have the opportunity 
of co-authoring papers, thereby gaining name recognition in the VLSI CAD 
community.  People looking for stepping stones to advance their careers in
VLSI CAD will find this position attractive.  The salary is around $40,000, 
negotiable based on experience.  We are looking for a BS or MS in EE or CS 
with considerable programming experience in C.  Familiarity with VLSI CAD-type 
algorithms/software engineering techniques will be helpful, but is not a must.  
If interested, please get in touch with me by e-mail.

 -Pranav

================================================================================

|  Pranav Ashar
|  C&C Research Labs, NEC USA
|  4 Independence Way
|  Princeton, NJ 08540

tel. (609) 951 2972    fax. (609) 951 2499    e-mail. ashar@ccrl.nj.nec.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,rec.arts.movies
From: kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Keir Buckhurst)
Subject: Help! Need some information....
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:53:01 GMT


Hi there.

I am a senior at Swarthmore College interested in working with computer
graphics in film or television as a possible career choice.  I am
interested in applying to some of the companies that are working in this
area such as ILM who did the computer imaging in Terminator 2.  However the
resources here at Swarthmore are fairly limited for this particular area,
and I don't have access to anyone in this field who could give me some
answers or suggest directions.  The reason I am posting is I would like to
know the names (and addresses if possible) of any companies that are doing
this type of work.  Particularly those located in New York would be great,
since that is where I currently live, although California is certainly a
possiblity.  They should probably also use Macs, since that is what I know
the best.  

And, if anyone has any other comments or suggestions or advice, those are
more than welcome.  I do not have much coursework experience in working
with computers, since Swarthmore is a fairly small, liberal-arts type of
college, but I have taken classes in CADD and done a lot of work with
various graphics programs.  So what I am hoping for is to apply to work as
an intern, or unpaid staff, until I can get some more experience.


Thanks to anyone who posts or sends a reply to this - I appreciate it.


keir buckhurst

kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Summary: ignore
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com>, glenn@netcom.com (Glenn Gribble) writes:
> 	 C Guru - Six Figure Compensation in the Heart of NYC
>        Work with one of the most selective teams on Wall Street
> 		 
        Translation: We need greedy slimey jerks as slaves!

> Job Description
> ===============
> We are looking for the best hackers to work on two efforts:
> 
>     We are applying the latest buzzwords (chaos, nonlinear dynamics,
>     neural networks, and pattern recognition) in developing models to
>     trade our markets.
> 
          Translation: Must know how to spew glib nonsense.

> MANDATORY Skills
> ================
> 
>    User-friendly personality.

          Translation: easily manipulatable.
> 
>    A quick, analytic mind.
> 
>    Ability and willingness to work 60+ hours per week when required (not 
>    constantly).

          Translation: Willingness to be a slave.

> 
> COMPENSATION PACKAGE
> ====================
>    We are EXTREMELY competitive, and offer a full range of benefits,
>    including a generous relocation package.
>       

         Translation: Maybe you'll get 20K, if lucky. Two weeks a year
                      Vacation.  Forced to move to four corners of 
                      earth just for a gawd-damn paycheck.

> Company Background
> ==================
>    engineers worldwide.  Most of us have had no financial experience
>    before joining the company. We are the analytic and quantitative
>    group for the smallest division of a large, prestigious investment
>    bank.  

          Brain-washed by our overlords, we work for dirty, slimey
          robber barrons.

>Ours is a collaborative, team oriented enviornment. In our

	  Do what you're told, or you're fired.

>    While we all wear suits and ties, our primary focus is to get the job
>    done.  The hours are long, but we don't punch a clock, we don't fill

          New-wave indentured servitude, anyone?

                                   andy wells
          ///\\\         awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
        \\\\  ////        andyphys@nuhub.northeastern.edu
          / \ ooo            
         \\ o> ///            //------ooo------\\
          //  <<<             \\oooooo---oooooo//
From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Job Interview - the opening (H2H)
Summary: Interviews
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:38:46 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

In article <8310@public.BTR.COM>, rem@public.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com) writes:
> rslade@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Slade) semi-advised: <<if you walk into an
> interview, and the first thing they ask is "tell us a bit about
> yourself", turn around and walk out.>>
> 
> Alternately, pretend to be totally surprised, and ask "Oh? I was sure I
> sent you my resume, I'm sorry. Let me see if I have a copy with me."
<good stuff deleted>

I had the "good" fortune of being interviewed for a computer operator
position with Interim Services in their MIS department. First of
all, they scheduled an appointment for an interview, called me
several hours before the scheduled time, and rescheduled the interview
for the next day. The next day, they did it again. Then, the MIS
manager asked me "what do you think are your strong points? What do
you think are your weaknesses?" Then, the manager scheduled an
appointment for me to talk to the Director. He went on with a bunch
of inane crap and then mentioned that he didn't look at my resume.
He said to call the MIS manager Monday. I called and he was out for
the day. For three days I left a message to call me, and finally, I
got a call from the manager that they hired someone more qualified!
For a high school diploma job!!!!! My wife said that if they
put me through all that crap for just an interview, imagine what
it would be like to work for them. 

The other thing that rubs me the wrong way: "Do you have any programming
experience?" Oh, do you mean did I ever write an interpreter or a
compiler in assembly or C and tutor/teach COBOL/C/Pascal/FORTRAN
to students, or did I modify filler pics for a year to
qualify as "programming experience"?

Sorry, but I think I'll just go home now.
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How dressed is "over dressed?"
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:12:49 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1edpqvINNqrg@armory.centerline.com>, russo@centerline.com (Alan Russo) writes:
> 
> This is a question which may have gotten some coverage here before...
> 
> 	I just recently had an inteview for a software development position...
> and I was BIG TIME over dressed.  I met with 3 people, and I could tell that I 
> made at least one of them uncomfortable.  I talked over my impressions with a 
> couple of people here at work whose opinions I trust, and they fell into 2 
> categories:
> 
> 	1) It is better to be over dressed than under-dressed
> 	2) Going to a software development position dressed like an investment
> 	   banker makes you look "junior"
Alan,
From my experience as an interviewer - better to be a little formal than too
informal.  BTW, you weren't wearing a 3-piece suit where you?  You can get by
in most areas by wearing a nice sport coat with a tie (IMHO) as long as you
aren't wearing white socks :-).  As to looking junior by dressing like an 
investment banker, depends on the company you are interviewing with.  Are you 
interviewing at a conservative company or is this a startup venture staffed 
by hacker types?  

I do think that the dark suit/white shirt/red tie is a little overdone these
days.  I also think that women usually need to dress more conservatively than
a man does for the same position (IMHO).  But if I were interviewing in Fort
Worth, I would dress more casually than if I were interviewing in Dallas
(for the uninitiated, Fort Worth is West and Dallas is East, though
you can get away with wearing cowboy boots in both places!).
-- 
Laurel McGilvery		     | Not only do I not speak for the company,
Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station | the company does not speak for me. 
b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com        | All opinions expressed are obviously 
Glen Rose, TX                        | mine.  Who else would own up to them?
From: v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Canadian engineer looks for job in UK, Europe, Russia
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:25:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




I am an engineer (masters): Ghz telecommunications, hardware, 
video, audio (analogue and digital), cinematography, internal 
combustion engines. 20 years of experience, 18 years of 
enthusiasm. English, Russian, French. Apartment in Moscow and 
lots of connections (personal, professional, busuiness) in 
Russia. Will be able to avert expensive falures due to unique 
Russian business mentality and scruples (often lack thereof).
Candian citizen. t. 514 683 71 55. 11 Valmount, Dollard, Quebec
H9B 2T8 

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:48:51 GMT

Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I recently interviewed with IBM recruiters at my Univeristy. They
>required me to take an IPAT test the evening before the interviews. The
>test took about 1 1/2 hours and is supposed to test the logical skills
>of the applicant. "It's kind of like the SAT," they told me. "While
>there's no correlation between people who do well on the test and
>success with our company, we do know that people who don't do well on
>the test don't succeed here." 
>    I can't argue the merits of the test because I lack enough
>information to do so, but it does show that these tests are still going
>on in the industry. 

I took that test too.  It was a B*TCH!!  For some strange reason
I get the feeling that all applicants that scored below 80% are 
going to have their resumes tossed, even if they are 
well rounded individuals.  I only completed 20 out of 40 questions
on part 2, so I guess I won't get my hopes up too much :)

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
From: p00160@psilink.com (Pam Gleeson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: test
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:31:42 GMT
Organization: Kenda Systems
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

sorry for the hassle of making you read this, I'm just testing the system.
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: MBA programs
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:38:22 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Nov13.165114.8681@infonode.ingr.com> gregg@ncsu.b24a.ingr.com (Gregg Phillips) writes:
>I'm considering entering an MBA program, and I'd like to hear from
>anyone out there who has completed or is in the process of completing
>Has the MBA been a boost to your career?  How?
>Did you pursue it full-time or part-time?
>If you pursued it full-time, how were your job prospects after
>graduation?
>What led you to choose that degree and the school you attended?
>How long did the program take you (full- and/or part-time)?

I have my MBA as well as a PhD, majors in business.  I can definitely
say that the degrees have been a significant boost to my careers.   
But it depends on what you want to do with them.  Some people
get their graduate degrees in the hope of getting a raise.  They
want to continue doing what they are currently doing, but hope
that the degree will get them a raise and put them on the path
for the next president of the company.  
I pursued the MBA degree simply because having majored in business
for my undergraduate degrees, getting the MBA required me not to
take any other pre-requisite courses.  If you majored in CS, then
you may be required to take several undergrad courses in business,
before beginning your graduate-level classes in business.  I was able
to obtain my MBA 10 months after completing my BA in business.  Of
course, I was enrolled in an intense accelerated program that 
completed one class a month, on the weekends.  This was great in 
that it enabled me to still work, thereby keeping the resume tidy.
Also, by still working, you have a job, which makes it easier to
get another job.  
--Keith