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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Kawasaki G4 100cc Info Wanted
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:55:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

I recently acquired a complete 1970 model Kawasaki 100cc dirt bike. The
first 2 chars of the serial number are G4. Way back in my high school days there
used to be a lot of small Kawasaki 2 stroke dirt/street dual purpose bikes
around my hometown and if my memory serves me correctly, they were simply called
G4-100 and G5-100's. Is this fossil I found the predecessor to the dual purpose
bikes I used to ride around on? I cannot find any other numbers on the bike that
would give it a particular model designation so I'm assuming it's just an old
G4-100. I plan on fixing it up just for the novelty of having  a dirt bike this
old that still works. It's been sitting in a barn partially disassembled for the
past 15 years or so, but I've got all the pieces to put it together. The motor
still has good compression but the carb got full of water and rotted the inside
of the bowl. I patched it up just enough to see if the motor would fire and it
did after about 5 kicks !!!!!! The carb's gotta be replaced cause it won't idle
and once it started screaming at high rpm, it was spraying gas all over. 
Since the price was right (free) I figure I can probably get it rideable for
less than 100 bucks and it will be good enough to putt around on just for kicks.
I know there's no way in hell it'll ever run anything like a modern bike, but
should be plenty of fun on a shoestring budget.
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< Neal Howard    DoD #686             | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 >
< email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc dirtbike>
< CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          >
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From: edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: New Camel Jockey
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu ()
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

Hey, a new "dirt" bike and access to rec.mc.dirt in the same week!
Life is good. 

I had decided that after 20 years of street riding that I wanted to
get something that was capable of some off road riding.  I began to
look into dirt bikes and dual purpose bikes.  I rode a number of
each type and even with my very limited dirt experience soon
realized that dirt bikes and dp bikes were two different animals.
I thought carefully about how I would ride and decided that a
350-500cc dp would best suit my needs and riding style.

I checked out a couple of XTs and XLs but most were a bit too well
used for my comfort.  Those of you who have met me know of my taste
for the unusual, so through the euro moto mailing list and a couple
of calls I found a bike that I figgured would be fun.  It is a 1986
Moto Morini  501 Camel.  It is a 1986 but is new, well, sort of.
The owner looped it the first ride and put it away.  He got
transfered to Ohio and never had the bike shipped to him.  He sold
it back to the dealer, never even titled it.  It's got a few
scratches on the front fender and luggage rack, but only has 21
miles on it.  A banzi run to Mesa, Arizona last weekend, and it's
mine. 

It's a 507cc twin with 43 hp. Dry weight is 316 lbs.  It was
designed to compete head to head with the Yamaha and Honda 600s.
The handling is supposed to be much like the early long travel
Huskys.  The owner of the shop has ridden them extensively and says
I'll soon be doing 90 mph power slides.  Yea, right. Not me, at
least until I figgure out how. :-)

Gotta go and put the turn signals and mirrors on it and begin the
rather long break-in period.  900 miles at less than 4500 rpm
followed by 900 miles of less than 6800 rpm.  Oh, well, I guess
that's the price you have to pay for an engine that is supposed to
go 100,000 miles.

 Ed Hackett   edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu     The Desert Research Institute 
 DoD #0200  WMTC  BMWRA  DIOC             Reno, Nevada   (702) 673-7380   
 KotLS  KtoLE  KotD #0003            I'm not really a chemist, I'm just one of
 900SS  K100RS  501 CAMEL            them motorsickle sonsabitches.  __=o&o>__
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Dual-Sport Tires
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:06:46 GMT
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

Hi,

	What would some of you folks recommend as good dual-sport tires ?
Something that is better on the dirt, but still DOT would be optimal,
I think.

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson)
Subject: Re: Rebuild
Reply-To: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:35:33 GMT


I've also got a '90 KDX200, and some questions about your mods:
(My own KDX is stock, at least no mods that I know of)

In article 5371@gold.gvg.tek.com, bobr@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bob Rhodes) writes:
> I have a '90 KDX-200 that just turned 3k miles at this year's Colorado 500.
> It's stripped to the frame in the process of a rebuild.  I'm real happy
> with the bike, but as long as it's apart, I'd like to take reasonable
> opportunities for improvements (power, handling, etc) during the
> rebuild.  Any suggestions are welcome.  Current modifications to the
> bike are:
> 
> 	ATK progressive fork springs
> 	modified air box (larger air intake)
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			Exactly how is this done? (and is it really needed?)

> 	Twin Air filter
	^^^^^^^^
	Is there really any difference?

> 	FMF gold series pipe
> 	Boysensen (sp) reeds
> 
> Thanks in advance for suggestions.
> 
> Bob


Anders Johannson


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Re: What I NEED!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:18:33 GMT

baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:

>After doing very well this race season, I have realized that I need some
>things.  Here is a list of things that I think I need:

>	#1  1993 YZ250 to cash in on the YZ bucks.
>	#2  Motorhome to camp in style
>	#3  enclosed trailer for saftey and convenience
>	#4  a sponsor or two to cut my cost

>After reviewing these 4 things I have figured out that I probably will not get
>any of the things that I think I need.  What I will probably get is everything 
>I need top rebuild my CR's engine and maybe if I'm lucky I will get my shock
>re-valved.  If I were only rich instead of good-looking.  

Also in this vein, here's a list of things I think I need for the new year:

	#1  A job.  Any job.  Ok, hopefully in the telecommuncations industry.
	#2  A 1993 RMX 250.  Don't even care about the race bucks.
	#3  A new truck to haul said motorcycle in.  (Possibly Toyota 4X4?)
	#4  A 1993 GSX-R 750.  Gotta have fun on the street, too.

Again, like mike, after reviewing my list, I have figured out what I will 
likely get:

	#1  A job.  Hopefully.  Oh, boy, do I hope so.
	#2  A used RMX (some year as yet undetermined.

And that's it.  

I hate school.  When will it be over...?

Misc. ramblings from...

Dave
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| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		 | "He rammed me, I rammed him!" |
| Communications Systems Research Group  | 	- Bob Hannah, about 	 |
| University of Saskatchewan		 | Keith Bowen, Ponitac          |
| Saskatoon, Canada			 | supercross, 1985 (?)		 |
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Busted? or Busted! was:happened to 500cc
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:18:52 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
: > : When I was written up for 24 points (lose license at 12!) on my old XR500,
: > : none of the violations included knobby tires, no brake light, etc. 
: > 
: > So Jeff, care to tell us how you got _24_ points??
: 
:   Anyone else had any incidents with the cops, except me and Jeff?

This one doesn't concern the cops but....

My cousin and I were riding in this area just North of Grapevine one rainy 
morning.  We had played slip-n-slide for about 2 hours and were getting 
pretty tired.  We were just riding along when we came up on this fellow
(out in the middle of nowhere) wearing a long duster and he had about 
7-8 dogs with him.  He waved us over and being the nice boys we were,
we rode over and killed the bikes.  He asked us how we got in to where 
we were.  Thinking maybe this guy is lost, I said we just followed this 
trail right here...  He has been casual up to now, but just bellows, 
"..WELL JUST RIDE IT OUT THE WAY YOU CAME IN AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..."
Needles to say we did just that.  It wasn't until we were leaving and 
going slower, that I noticed that the fence had been cut to allow the trail
to go into this property.  Cutting a fence in Texas is a good way to get
shot!  I never did go riding there again.


: _________________________________________________________________________
: mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.


  O                
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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: HOG ROAST
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:53:53 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

   This is a little out of the r.m.d scene but motocross is involved.

   I called Mosier valley (Euless, Tx) to make sure they will be 
   practicing Sunday.  The recording supprised me by announcing
   a HOG ROAST.  Festivities, show bikes (Harley), crafts? and
   stuff for sale (dirt stuff?).  All this goes on while practice
   on the day track goes on.  817-540-0815.  All proceeds go to
   Scottish Rights Soc and Battered Womens Shelter.  This could
   be largest spectator turnout for motocross practice ever.  The
   HOG ROAST is Sat & Sun but practice is Sun only.

   I don't remember what time practice starts (8am Mike?).  
   I'm looking for someone to roost with Sunday, give me a note
   if you plan to go or just look for "Slow #62" and knock me
   down in the corner.  I'll know you're from this group! *:-)
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Air filters ,was: Rebuild
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:57:27 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> >> 	Twin Air filter
> > 	^^^^^^^^
> > 	Is there really any difference?
> 
>     Personally I have never seen a power increase in different types
>     of air filters but I have seen the response change for the better
>     or worse.  The other night I installed a filter made by MAC.  It

	I'd be worried if anyone could notice any power change with a
	clean modern filter. It's when they get dirty and more
	specifically, how much dirt it takes to get them dirty that you
	can notice that one may be better than the other. 

	A bigger air box would give a better result.

>     looked really obstructive.  It has three layers.  An outer mesh
>     and two plys.  I wasn't too impressed but I made do.  I only oiled
>     the mesh and the outer layer and left the inner layer dry.  It 
>     seemed to help.  I have a look at the inner layer after yesterdays
>     ride to see if any dirt made its way in.

	Hmmmm....be cautious about not oiling filter foam, no matter how
	many layers. I take it that the three layers are of different
	densities right? The only thing that keeps dust in the filter is
	the oil. If there isn't any oil, the particles just work their way
	into and through the filter, making the filter useless unless you just want 
	to stop rocks and small birds from getting through. A bit like
	sharing a needle but thinking you're safe from AIDS because you're
	wearing a condom.....

	If you are still concerned about power loss, get some light weight
	oil (2 stroke oil) into the inner layer. It works better than
	filter oils but drains out of the foam quicker.

	I would gladdly sacrifice some power if I was assured that nothing
	gets through my filter. 
> 
>     My next filter will be a UNI.  I've never tried Twin Air.

	UNI filters work well. The foam doesn't break down as readilly as
	others I've used. Twin Air?.....well, they are expensive aren't
	they....

	Seeing I got on to the subject of oils, I remember I posted the
	results of tests I did on a variety of oils. I'm not sure if I
	have a copy, so if anyone out there has it, it might be of use to
	our valued new readers.

	Cheers all
	George C.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: DT200R
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 06:56:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


> I am presently the owner of a DT200R Yamaha and I am interseted in 
> modifying the bike with possibly the new Wiseco 240cc big bore kit
> that has just recently arrived in Australia.

	Gee, I remember seeing a lot of stuff written about mods to
	DT200's in the local dirt bike rags a couple of years ago. Try
	fishing around for old copies of ADB and Trail and Track.

	Wiseco kits are good, though you generally need to fiddle around
	with porting and jetting to get them running right. On the KDX's,
	they give a healthy boost to the bottom end but run quite flat up
	top. Unfortunately it's not just a matter of bolt up and play...
	but as far as I'm concerned, more cubes never hurt...

	Let us know how you get on....

	Cheers
	George C.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Subject: Re: Observed trials (East)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 19:15:24 GMT
Reply-To: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Organization: Data General

>2.  Laurie Cantwell, 508-668-0489 eves, was the contact for a large trials
>    event held in Wrentham, MA on Sept. 12 and she might know of future events
>    near you.

HIS name is spelled Laurier and HE was the trailboss for the Annual King
Philip Trail Riders National Trials. (Round 8 I belive). In case your
interested Ron Commo won the event breaking a 15 event streak by Ryan
Young. Ryan was slow (no pun intended) to get going on the first loop
and paid for it in the end.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: r.m.d frequently asked questions
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:35:45 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep27.223117.567@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
> In article <1992Sep27.220646.2162@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
>> 	What would some of you folks recommend as good dual-sport tires ?
>> Something that is better on the dirt, but still DOT would be optimal,
>> I think.
> 
> one from the archives here at halfdome:
> 
> Subject: Dirt Bike's review of DOT-legal knobbies

hell, i may just start an FAQ for r.m.d.

so far, i have the following articles saved:

	Subject: RE: chain delima
	From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant), 
	
	Subject: Dirt Bike's review of DOT-legal knobbies
	From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)

	Subject: Knee Protectors Like Real Armor
	From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon), 

reply or follow up and i'll start saving things away for when i have
some time to put some order into it.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Busted.....
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:34:39 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

.... collarbone, that is.  I came up short on a double last Friday
and suffered my first dirt bike related broken bone in 8 years.
I cased it on a double then promptley got off into the face of the
next jump.  When I recovered from the temporary star gazing, I picked
up my bike (still running) on the second attempt.  The first attempt
alerted me to a discontinuity problem with my left shoulder.  Doc
sez it's a clean break, no punctured lungs, and should heal with time.
The problem is that I'm going to miss my elk hunt this year and this
really bums me out, but o well.

On a side note,

The Rocky Mountain Enduro Circuit is sponsoring a benefit hare scrambles
in northern Colorado on October 18.  All proceeds will be donated to 
the Friends of Man charity.  We are trying to get TV and Newspaper 
coverage to let folks know that we are not all destruction devices and 
dirt bikers have a real role as human beings.  Please make plans to 
attend if possible.  If you need more info, please call me at (719)
576-5584 or email at kenm@array.com .  I think I'll be there to pit 
for the wife.  


  O                    Ken Murphy aka kenm@array.com              President RMEC
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From: ghearn@neumann.une.edu.au (G Hearn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: DT200R
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:31:16 GMT

I am presently the owner of a DT200R Yamaha and I am interseted in 
modifying the bike with possibly the new Wiseco 240cc big bore kit
that has just recently arrived in Australia.
Most of the mail in this newsgroup seems to come from you guys in
America so if anyone could help me out with some information on
anything concerning the DT I would greatly appreciate it. I bought
the bike second hand after previously owning a RM125 and YZ125 back
in the early 80's. It's a great bike for zapping out to Uni and back,
not to mention the occasional weekend on the track.
If anyone out there could help - great as Yamaha Australia are unable
to supply workshop manuals.

		Gary
		

		ghearn@neumann.une.edu.au
From: bobr@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bob Rhodes)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Rebuild
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:16:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5371
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

I have a '90 KDX-200 that just turned 3k miles at this year's Colorado 500.
It's stripped to the frame in the process of a rebuild.  I'm real happy
with the bike, but as long as it's apart, I'd like to take reasonable
opportunities for improvements (power, handling, etc) during the
rebuild.  Any suggestions are welcome.  Current modifications to the
bike are:

	ATK progressive fork springs
	modified air box (larger air intake)
	Twin Air filter
	FMF gold series pipe
	Boysensen (sp) reeds

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

Bob
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:11:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Ceet repair
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

I've used the vinyl repair kits also, usually getting

-- the color almost right,

-- the texture way wrong, and
 
 - a patch much stiffer than the surrounding vinyl.

But the patch is strong and durable, and my problems might be from getting
it too hot while melting everything together.

-- Mike

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Re: Busted? or Busted! was:happened to 500cc
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:36:25 GMT

A long, long time ago, I was whining, and the man finally got back, so...

George writes:

>> 
>> Light beer?  Light beer??? In America??? Where even most of the regular stuff
>> is only a measley 3.2%, they actually have _light_ beer.  What a waste.  Up 
>> here in the great white north, we have normal beer at 5%, lite beer at 4%, 
>> stout beer at 6.5 - 7 %, and most brew pubs make some dark stuff that's pretty
>> close to some of the German stuff I have had, probably something like 9 - 10%.
>
>	Or take my last batch of "home brew".... 19.7% by volume according
>	to the labs in the hospital my wife wife works in.... No wonder I
>	keep falling over after the second bottle....
>> 
>> (God, I must be bored.  Is George really gone riding for three weeks.  I hate 
>> him already...)
>
>	Ha, hate away!... 
>
>	Cheers
>	George C.

Good to see you back.  About the ride:  Share, man share.  It's about -2
degrees C here today, and riding is starting to look like it's not going to 
happen.

BTW... Any comments on the Rick Sieman interview on 60 Minutes, or have you 
seen it?

Dave
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| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		 | "He rammed me, I rammed him!" |
| Communications Systems Research Group  | 	- Bob Hannah, about 	 |
| University of Saskatchewan		 | Keith Bowen, Ponitac          |
| Saskatoon, Canada			 | supercross, 1985 (?)		 |
-- 
| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		 | "He rammed me, I rammed him!" |
| Communications Systems Research Group  | 	- Bob Hannah, about 	 |
| University of Saskatchewan		 | Keith Bowen, Ponitac          |
| Saskatoon, Canada			 | supercross, 1985 (?)		 |
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Ceet repair
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:45:53 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <17550030@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon) writes:
> I've used the vinyl repair kits also, usually getting
> 
> -- the color almost right,
> 
> -- the texture way wrong, and
>  
>  - a patch much stiffer than the surrounding vinyl.
> 
> But the patch is strong and durable, and my problems might be from getting
> it too hot while melting everything together.

  Actually my vinyl repair turned out about the same as yours.  It looks
  kind of like a scar.  I like it. :-)   Its kind of like having a scar
  on the old bod.  Everytime you look at it, it brings a crystal clear
  picture to the mind of just what happened.  In a way I kind of like
  that too.  

  But true... The fix did not come out perfect.  I think it is possible
  to get the color right if you don't mind staying up all night mixing
  batch after batch.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Personal to ASTRO::NELSON'"@cs.hh.ab.com
Date: 3 Oct 1992 18:08:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) says:

>> <plans to attend AMA Dual-Sport event in Athens, OH>
>
>	Hope you have fun, dude.  I decided against it, as I figured it
>would be cheaper to just ride to Summit Point and cornerwork.  I changed
>my plans to do dirt when I found out that there was a $55 entry fee.
>

That's why I didn't go too. Maybe it's time for a n Ohio-Pa dual sport bash?
Me and TK are ready (XT500 and XR200-both semi-legal).

Anybody else?


>	Maybe you could let us know how it goes, though.  I'd like to
>hear how these AMA things go.

Ditto.


-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:16:27 GMT
Subject: Re: r.m.d frequently asked questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

An FAQ is a great service to all of us; it's hard to remember details from
6 months ago about a topic you didn't need until today, and we probably get
newcomers to this group all the time.

-- Mike