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From: plank@eskimo.celestial.com (David Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:45:09 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

brace@@O@O (Jeff Brace) writes:
> 
> In article <BtJuAv.1An@ibmpcug.co.uk> gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew
Beattie) writes:
> >
> >Would you care to explain how they managed to make this safe?>
> >
> >If teathered, I'd expect a stack of 10 10' flexies to be capable of
> >breaking a pair of 1500 lb lines.  3000lb lines should be OK, but I
wouldn't
> >like to risk my *life* on the fact that the whole of the rig was
capable of 
> >withstanding that.  If anything breaks under that sort of tension,
the guy
> >in the middle is in *serious* trouble.
> >
> >(On the other hand, I'd willingly fly 10x10's unteathered in a
reasonable
> >breeze)
> >
> >Andrew
> 
> Just to follow up on my original post: The people from the AKA said
that this was
> the safest method for man lifting that they had seen. 
> 
> The Pilot wore a helmet.
> 
> The kite control lines were 2,000 lb test.
> 
> There was a secondary tethering line.
> 
> A ground crew of ten.
> 
> Normally they would only use eight Flexies, but due to light winds
(~10mph)
> they were using ten flexies.
> 
> On the first lift they started with a short tether rope and work up to
the
> longer rope.
> 
> Jeff Brace
 They also have a "quick release" setup, which I feel is the most
important safety feature required. Pull a pin and the kites are
released, better to fall 10' to the sand than take an uncontrolled ride
down the beach with a 20' pole dragging behind you.
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 

I just got my secnd stunt kite, a Spider Wing II.  I would like to
get a kite that would do better in low wind and one that would do
better in high wind.  My question is, does anyone have experience
with the various upgrades to the spider wing?  Would either the
Spider Wing I sail for low wind or the High Wind Kit or the IV sail be
a satisfactory solution or should I just get another Kite (suggestions
welcome).  Also, does anyone have experience with the other sails
for the Spider Wing I, III and IV?  BTW, Spider Wing is made by Catch
the Wind in Oregon, we were there on our vacation, normally live
in San Francisco Bay area.  Thanks in advance for your reply.

Also, as long as you have read this far how about some folks
opinions of what the perfect kite is (and I know that is asking
for trouble but it may start some interesting discussions).
From: tfarring@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. A. Pemberton Trammel Snipe-Treadwater IV)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: First Competition
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I am going to compete in my first stunt kite competition (Sandy Hook).
Is there anything I should know? Also I am 13 but a reasonably experienced
flier.  Should I startin Intermediate?  Also where can I get the AKA book of
precision manueves?
thanks,
TIm Farrington

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From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 

I have several kites by now but am interested in adding sails to my
Spider Wing Kite from Catch the Wind in Oregon.  I have a #2 sail and
have nice replies form some of you kind folks that the #1 sail is great
in light wind and that the #3 sail is also enjoyable.  Does anyone
have experience with the #4 sail?  Has anyone actually bought
multiple sails and changed them?  Is this a satisfactory solution
to getting more value or should one just go ahead and get the
new frame as well.

Thanks in advance for the response and thanks to the 3 of you who
responded about the #1 and #3 sails.

Allen
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:06:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.1992Aug25.230619.18969
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Organisation: STACK Finland

In <BtJuAv.1An@ibmpcug.co.uk> gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:

>In article <1992Aug24.171153.9018@mprgate.mpr.ca> brace@OO (Jeff Brace) writes:
>>The "Pilot" was tethered to a 20ft pole with a 50ft rope. For lift they
>>were using ten 10ft Flexis.
>Hmm...

>Would you care to explain how they managed to make this safe?

>If teathered, I'd expect a stack of 10 10' flexies to be capable of
(text deleted)

What means "tethered" or "teathered"?

I checked my dictionaries... 

Simo Salanne
STACK, Finland
From: yuf@sequent.com (Kyle Grieser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug31.015300.19893
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <189.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) writes:
>better in high wind.  My question is, does anyone have experience
>with the various upgrades to the spider wing?  Would either the

I've had a Spiderwing with the III sail for about a year now.  I
like it quite a bit... It flies pretty well  in high winds.  I once
broke the center spar in really heavy winds due to a slight
um... well, handling problem :-).  I've never flown any of
the other wings so I can't really say anything with respect to
how the others fly... I like it in moderate winds, pretty quick response.

BTW, I haven't flown it much since getting addicted to flexi-foils...

-yuf
From: steve@gordian.com (Steve Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: HIGH WIND KITES
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:05:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: gordian.1992Sep4.170549.22800
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <213.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)  writes:
>I am interested in seeing some opinions expressed about what kites
>are good in high winds.  The situation is:  you are out flying
>your favorate kite and the wind gets up to 20 to 30 and your
>kite starts to ... (chatter,  pull you around,  crash too hard, etc)
>So you reach into your bag and out comes the perfect kite for high
>winds, your ________.  Please share your thoughts as this is the
>situation I would like to be in (having a high wind kite that
>other people have proven works great in that situation).
>
>Opinions on the best low wind kite may also be of interest to some
>and with the kind of winter wind we get here is probably the
>question I should be asking as well.
>
>Thanks in advance :^)   Allen
>                                                            

Well, when you say "high winds", I expect you mean winds over 25 mph.  Most
kites at this kind wind are not very happy.  Some will "take it", but won't
be "at home" in this much wind.

Well, here at the Marina Green, San Francisco, the wind in the summer is
20-30 mph almost every day (days when the wind is lighter are exceptions
to the rule).  Gary Hanson built the Merlin especially for the Marina Green
winds.  The Merlin will take that kind of wind, and will be *very* happy
in it.  They're built tough, and fly real fast and track real straight.
That's what I will generally pull out in that kind of wind (i.e. when I can
no longer practice my routine).  You can get Merlins from Kite Flite, Pier
39, San Francisco, I think Highline kite of Berkely carries them, etc.  (I
think I saw that you are somewhere here in the Bay Area).

Another good high wind kite is a 4 foot flexifoil.  This kite will take _any_
amount of wind, and I've never had to fly it on anything more than 80# test
line--even on the days here at the Green when the wind gets really heavy (i.e.
40+ mph).

As for a light wind kite, I'm compelled to mention the kite I compete with:
the XTC by Buena Vista Kite Co.  I used to fly the Phantom for competition,
now I fly the XTC--it's a better light wind kite, but doesn't break like the
Phantom does--I also fly the kite in 20+ mph winds).  Peter Werba of Buena
Vista Kite Co. is pretty new on the scene, and there's only a few stores
carrying his kites--the Peir-39/San Francisco store to name one.  Email me
if you want more info on the XTC.

Steve Thomas
VisionAire
steveth@rossinc (no, NOT steve@gordian.com)

p.s. I'll be judging at the event at Ocean Beach, SF on Labor Day--there
will be several XTC's competing there--perhaps I'll see you...


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---------------------------------
Steve Thomas
steveth@rossinc.com
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: e_splett@trofs.enet.dec.com (Evan Splett)
Subject: Re: Stuntvliegers Bouwen en Besturn
Organisation: Digital Equipment of Canada - Ottawa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 25 AUG 92 17:38:21 EST


The English translation of this book in now in stock at Kite Lines.
I just put in an order (phone no is 301-922-1212).

    Evan.
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: USAF Museum 10th Kite Festival
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:25:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

HEY! LOOK OUT DAYTON, HERE WE COME! BE THERE TOMMORROW AFTERNOON
SOMETIME. HOPE THE WEATHER IS GOOD. HEY, ASK TO SEE TO HATA UL.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: mss@endor.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Boston Area Stunt Kite Championships
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep3.144039.4032
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sasaki Kite Fabrications

It may be a bit late, but the 3rd Boston Area Stunt Kite Championships
will be held on September 19th and 20th at Daheny Park, Cambridge, MA.

BASKC is part of the Eastern League, has been sanctioned by the
American Kiteflier's Association, and is part of the American Kite
Magazine circuit.

If you are interested in attending, please contact me for more
information.
-------------
  Marty Sasaki				mss@das.harvard.edu
  Sasaki Kite Fabrications		phone:  617-522-8546
  26 Green Street
  Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Logo
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:57:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Dave has a good idea here. Meaning a logo of some type for us 
rec.kites types. It should incorporate a computer of some type,
or maybe a floopy disk, and a kite. How about a delta on
a background of a 5 1/4" floppy? And make it colorful.

If we want to do just one logo/pin, we'll probably have to send
sketches back and forth in the mail to arrive at a design. It would
be nice to have a few people in on the development to not only 
help with the design, but help with the cost. A run of 100 pins
will cost what a really good sport kite will run. 

If nobody volunteers to do the design, then maybe some entrepeneurial
type will take it on themselves to design and produce the pin 
individually. If so, let us know. (Yeah, I collect a little bit
and have my custom pins also so I know about the expense and time it
take, about 2 months min.)

Anyway, if anybody wants to form a committee perish the thought) to pursue
this, drop me a line, I'm up for it.

PS: Anybody going to Lubbock? If so, lets plan on a get together over
there some time.

-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: ohrd!jpoy@cs.toronto.edu (Jim Poy)
Subject: Kiting Event.
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:42:07 GMT


             1992 Toronto Kite Fliers Annual Festival.

                      (Sunday Sept.20\92)
   
Come to Toronto's Annual Kite Festival and enjoy a day filled with
kite flying, food, prizes, demonstrations (single line and multi-
line.) and most of all fun! This is one of Toronto's major kiting
events.

Some of Toronto's best single line kites will be up and flying   
and we hope to have a Indian Fighter kite contest. Bring your clubs
rokkaku, or join one of our teams, for Toronto's Annual Rokkaku
Battle. 

So you think you know how to fly a stunt kite? Well, join us for
some of our "Zany Stunt Kite Games" and you might win a prize. If
you are still up to flying you might want to sign up for our first
"Mega Fly" (Contact Jim Poy) and, if not, there should be ample
flying room for all. I am sure this will give all of us a good
appetite. This year we are planning on having a beach barbecue, and
there will be plenty for all.

On behalf of the T.K.F I would like to extend a personal invitation
to fliers everywhere. 

I hope you can join us!
                             
Where???

This year's event will be held at Ashbridge Bay Park on Woodbine
Beach. (East end of Toronto)

How do you get there??? 

 ... South on Don Valley Parkway exit east on Lakeshore Blvd. then 
    turn right on Coxwell Ave. and you will enter Ashbridge Bay   
      Park.
 ... East on the Gardiner Expressway exit on Lakeshore Blvd.      
    turn right at the first set of lights Coxwell Ave. and you    
      will enter Ashbridge Bay.

What time does it start???

          ...  Sun. 20/93  10:00 A.M -6:00 P.M
 
Accommodation???

         ... Deluxe Motel (416) 252-5205 Approx. 20min. from the  
                  beach.            

      For further information call me at (416)279-9573 or Work#   
         (416) 231-4111 Ext. 5646 

  
         Hope the winds blow you our way!                   
                                                          Jim Poy 
                                                          S.T.A.C.K




P.S.

             If by any chance you decide to come to Toronto on
Saturday 19/92 please come and join us at "Humber Bay Park" we are
having a free fly. Then we will all go out for a get acquainted
dinner, it should be fun! 
 
Oh yes! we will also have a "Night Fly" planned for Saturday
evening at Humber Bay. So bring your light sticks, strobes, and
flash lights etc. 
...  Sat. 19/92  Free fly all day & Night Fly  - Till ??? 

                  ("HUMBER BAY PARK ONLY")

Please note Humber Bay is located at the intersection of Park Lawn
Rd. & Lakeshore Blvd. at the West End of Toronto.  
                

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Ontario Hydro Research Division     Tel.:  (416)231-4111 Ext 6038
800 Kipling Ave                     FAX :  (416)231-2585
Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M8Z5S4
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:50:59 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <10376@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:
>On "teathering" a kite. 
>
Hey guys, it means that you have a rope or something tied/secured to the
ground and the other end to you. Then the kite go to the harness that 
you're wearing and that is secured to the tether. Well, you get the
picture.

PS: So what if people can't spell. Neither can Dan Quayle (?)
    (How does he spell his name...As if I care)
 

-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: chiharu@athena.mit.edu (Chiharu Osawa)
Subject: Good beach for kite in Cape Cod (MA)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:58:31 GMT

Hi.

I'm new to this group.
Could anyone recommend a good place to fly a kite around Cape Cod, MA ?
Or, isn't it a good idea to go there with a kite at this time of the year ?
We are going to spend this weekend on a camp ground near the beach.
I'm wondering where we should camp out. Any comment will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Chiharu
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:17:12 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

On "teathering" a kite. 

I think Simo has a point here. Maybe Andrew will clarify this one for us. 

Is it a spelling mistake Andrew? 

Did Andrew mean "teethering", as in "to hold down with the teeth", 
or does he genuinely mean "teathering" as in "to hold down with the teat". 

Or maybe even "tethering" as "to hold down with the tet"?

But what the hell's a tet? And who cares, other than me and Simo?

Patrick
From: daves@cv.hp.com (Dave Serisky)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Longbeach Kite Fest
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:52:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Sep2.155222.24386
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

In article <13483@pogo.wv.tek.com>, daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:
|>
|> Well I got back from the international kite festival at Long Beach,
|> Washington last Monday, and the festival was great, but since then, the
|> only the discussion I've read about the festival has been about
|> manlifting.  So I figured I'd give a general review to those unable to
|> make it to Washington state.  By the way, the festival did regain the
|> North American record for most kites in the air at once, with 3990 kite
|> being flown (I put my stack of Revs in the air for the count).  The
|> world record is safe though; I believe it was set back at the turn of
|> the century in India, with 60,000+ kites.
|> ...
|> The biggest disadvantage was that I knew that there were several other
|> kite flyers from rec.kites there, and I had no way of finding them.  Now
|> I know that the people on the science fiction newsgroup had the same
|> problem at science fiction conventions.  Perhaps we could do something
|> similar to what did.  They developed a symbol (I believe it was an "at"
|> sign (ie:  "@"), but I`m not sure), and created buttons and other items,
|> so that they could recognize each other.  Perhaps rec.kites could come
|> up with a simple, unique and pleasing symbol which we could put on
|> static kites or flags, to let other rec.kite people of our presense.
|> Anybody got thoughts or suggestions on the idea?

Do you know when next year's festival will take place?  My understanding
is that you need to make reservations early (it may already be too
late).  I was planning to go, but had family visiting and didn't make
it.

I'd also suggest coming up with some colours to use in a rec.kites
identifier.  Kiting is such a colourful sport we should be able to take
advantage of it.  It would also make it easier to spot people at a
distance (or in a crowd).

--
-- Dave Serisky
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <BtyIDB.5xE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>The Labour Party doesn't really have a left any more, and issues
>like the miners' strike, the poll tax and the Gulf War either pushed these
>people out of the party or to the right.  


Nope - some of us are still there :-)

( if wondering why..)
M

--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
Newsgroups: rec.mag,rec.arts.sf.written
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:11:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.201321.26473@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
> FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu (Frank Mulhern) wrote:
> > It is nice to read something that does not have a politically oriented
> > liberal or conservative ax to grind, although The Economist is very
> > conservative economically with a relentless attitude that free markets
> > will solve ALL the world's economic ills.
> 
> Which means that it *does* have a conservative axe to grind, doesn't it?

He said "politically oriented .. conservative ax".

> There are two classes of magazines out there: ones that state out front
> that they've got a political agenda and those that lie about it.  Time,
> Newsweek and the Economist are in the latter category.

That's rubbish. The Economist certainly has an economic agenda is wants to
push, and states it up front. In addition there are certain things in the
political arena it thinks are important, like PR, written constitution, etc,
but as with its economic agenda, it is very up front with its aims. I can't
see anything on which you could have possibly based this statement.

Simon.

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  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
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  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: adbusters
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:24:00 GMT

eliot.gelwan@channel1.com (eliot gelwan) writes:

> Does anyone know if AdBusters' Quarterly (I think that's the
> correct name) is still around? I used to see it on several
> newsstands here in Cambridge but have looked in vain for several
> months for a recent issue. If it exists, what's the most recent
> issue you've seen? Anyone have a mailing address and subscription
> info (price, etc.)? Thanks.

yes it is- the current issue has a picture of a bald gentlemne with a price
code on the back of his head....
e-mail me if you need a copy/info.
Penn
Newsgroups: rec.mag
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: adbusters
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:20:59 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Does anyone know if AdBusters' Quarterly (I think that's the
correct name) is still around? I used to see it on several
newsstands here in Cambridge but have looked in vain for several
months for a recent issue. If it exists, what's the most recent
issue you've seen? Anyone have a mailing address and subscription
info (price, etc.)? Thanks.

...eliot                                         |
Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com             -*-
    RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]                   |

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From: pdw@epx.cis.umn.edu (Patrick Wirz)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: mail magazines
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:15:38 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


Not too long ago I sent in a subscription card under the condition that I 
would get a free issue and have no further obligation.  It said to write
CANCEL on the bill when it arrived and return it, which I did.  They continued
to send bills saying that I owed them money.  I just ignored the letters
and they eventually gave up.  The moral of the story?: just don't listen
to them when they start to threaten you--it's usually just a ploy to make you
feel guilty enough to subscribe.

--
Patrick Wirz
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry