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Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:17:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi 
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

[Posted to soc.bi and alt.polyamory.  Followups directed to soc.bi
 mainly because the person I mention keeps up with soc.bi.
 Feel free to change the followup if you wish.]

A friend of mine tried to post anonymously to alt.personals and
was rejected because s/he was married.  S/he said that the 
admin was a real asshole.  S/he told him (I think it was a
him) that he was being discriminatory, and he responded "Yes 
indeed." What's annoying about the whole thing is that I know 
of others who have met secondary partners through alt.personals.

Just as a side note, the other married partner knows about the
posting and is supportive.

On checking the alt.personals FAQ, I noticed:

[quote]
>			****** Don't  ******
>
> 1.  Any solicitations for SEX or references to sex acts ISO will be rejected.
>
> 2.  No posting from marrieds.  (Married == someone living with someone else
>			 	  with the intent to stay in the relationship)
[unquote]
[ISO = In Search Of]

I've noticed this monogamy gestapo approach becoming more and more common
in personal ads of all sorts (both newspapers and electronic.)  The
providers of such services justify such an approach as a way of keeping 
the 'sleaze factor' (whatever that really means) down.  Being non-monogamous 
is portrayed as being bad, sleazy and not something you'd admit to your mother.

Maybe there should be an alt.personals.poly?

sigh,
Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:20:20 GMT

In article <AAG.92Aug17171816@artemis.aber.ac.uk>, aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:
> Well, for those on this group who know me, either in the flesh
> (Tanaqui and Peter can stop grinning like that, for a start) or
> merely electronically, this is a sad time.

Yes, it is a (fairly) sad time... Although the bright side is that those of us
who know you have been enriched by that simple fact...  I only wish I had
gotten to know you better... (hey get that leer off your face... well... keep
it I there... I like it... >;-)

> 
> To every time there is a season, and I'm afraid that my season
> as an underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked postgraduate
> who spent her days reading news and mail and very, very 
> occasionally condescending to look at her thesis is almost at 
> an end. The real world, and a real job paying real money beckons 
> this particular badly behaved bisexual bog vampyre ;-( I'll be
> around for a few days more, then my participation rather depends
> on link via Janet between my new firm and my account here in 
> Aberystwyth.

Is it possible for you to get an account somewhere else? I know Clive posts
from Compulink.. or talk to Peter about Curia... (I understand they're supposed
to get news....) 

> 
> So, to everybody I know, and even those I don't . . . So long! It's
> been great here, and I hope I'll be back in the fairly near future,
> but don't hold your breath after next Wednesday!
> 
> Hugs to all

And *HUGS* back to you... and hopefully (eventually) that backrub....

With any luck you'll be back.... ;-)
		-Brendan
 
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Stonewall 25
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:57:30 GMT

In article <17858@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.025105.1222@guvax.georgetown.edu>
>mnorth@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>
>>ILGA CONFERENCE DECIDES NAME AND DEMANDS OF 1994 INTERNATIONAL MARCH
[...]
>>Some second hand information follows,
>>a. Bi was not included in the March title because of the objections of 
>>of Asians, notably Indians, Malaysians, and Thai

I don't understand the connection.  All the biphobes I've ever met
have been white.

>>c. Brenda Howard (NYC) serves on the stonewall committee and deserves 
>>credit for the Bisexual inclusions.
>
>And I hope she hates asians as much as I do :-). I've always had a bit more
>mild, irrational xenophobia for asians than for other groups, and now I have
>something I can justify it with :-).

You'll need a lot more smilies than that, Owen...

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rickc@agora.uucp (Rick Coates)
Subject: Problem mail (was Gender difference?)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:11:34 GMT

asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:

[something rather personal, but not out of line, IMO]

>	annemarie, slightly concerned as to what kind of email she may
>		   get stuck nealing with in response to this post
>	asuccop@u.washington.edu

Is this a problem?  On soc.bi?

I don't like that idea *at all*.  All the e-hugs & fuzzies are great, but
they take on a different character if there is a background of unwelcome
e-mail.

Rick


Rick Coates
rickc@agora.rain.com
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Grant's party... and demuffining self
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:04:06 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

Warning, look out!
Eeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh... pounce!
A familiar muffin... hullo!
*snuggle*

SHARON@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU ("Sharon Snyder, Summer Ice Queen") said...
>Well, sheesh... if my *name's* going to be mentioned and all, i
>guess I'd  better de-muffin myself. But *really* I don't read
>netnews. Really. Hardly  ever. Practically never happens. um. right.
>
><wave to buddies from bifem-l, bisexu-l, sappho, and Real Life party
>babes.> btw, you have to let me know who wants to be on my
>semi-official BABES  party list... You know who you are. <wink to
>party cuddle buddies>

*grin*

>Sharon, wondering about this de-muffining thang... as if she doesn't spend 
>*enough* time at her keyboard! phbth.
>
>so, kids, how'd I do for a first time?

A little flirt, a little innuendo... allow me to compliment you on your
technique :^)

-Coe
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sara@blkhole.resun.com (Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing))
Subject: Re: Veggies! (was Re: bi surfers)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:27:40 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>
> nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett) writes:
>>> 
>>> I believe that the stones work like an IUD rather than like a diaphragm.  The
>>> story I heard was that the idea originated with people who put stones in
>>> their camels' uteruses so that the camels would not become pregnant on long
>>> cross-desert trips.
>>
>>Um, how would you get the stone back out if you later wanted pregnancy?
>>Not to mention how you get it in, in the first place?
>
>This is the kind of girl who will never have embarrassing questions asked of
>her in casualty departments, who has never tried the trick with the Mayan music
>balls recommended by Susie Sexpert, & has not played silly tricks with a 
>diaphragm (squirting it across the bathroom does not count)
>
>& who, most especially, will not be taking care of the rubber foot of Iseult's
>crutch |-)

Scuse me, Tanaqui, but as someone *almost* entirely innocent of such
pursuits, could you perchance tell me exactly *how* one would get said
stones in and out of a camel's uterus, its *uterus* mark you, not
merely its vaginal passage, and furthermore perhaps you would care to
tell me exactly how the ancient Egyptians stumbled across the idea
that preventing the implantation of a fertilised ovum prevented its
maturation?  Seems to me that this is a whole lot less obvious than
the diapragm concept.

Having said which, I think that if Iseult really had a mind to deal
any of us the rubber foot of her crutch we probably wouldn't have a
great deal of say in the matter ...

Sara (the Thing from the Swamp)
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Joke
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:27:49 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Aug23.014915.22503@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:
|In a previous article, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) says:
|>". . .  There's an off license just round the corner with a cash machine 
|>over the road from it. See you in five minutes."
|For the benefit of us Bloody Ignorant Yanks (tm), what exactly is an
|off license?  Is it like a package store?

   A place where you can buy alcohol for carryout.  It's not exclusively
a UK thing. Where I grew up, you could see a variant of that in bars;
they'd advertise on and off sale to let you know you could pop in for
a sixpack of Old Style (guess who grew up in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, home
of the G. Heileman Brewing Company, the "worlds largest 6-pack", and
Old Style.  They get their material components by rail, too, but I
digress) or an equivalent swill.

   Now, "package store", that's a new one....

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
		  \/
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Veggies! (was Re: bi surfers)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:30:51 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario


 >> story I heard was that the idea originated with people who put stones in
 >> their camels' uteruses so that the camels would not become pregnant on long
 >> cross-desert trips.

> >
> >Um, how would you get the stone back out if you later wanted pregnancy?
> >Not to mention how you get it in, in the first place?
> 

I have no idea. Given the legendary orneryness (sp?) of camels, it could
be darn tricky getting them in or out.  I know my SO complains of 
fairly uncomfortable (painful) cramping when she gets her IUD swapped for
a new one every couple of years.  Maybe a long stick to stick 'em in and
a plumber's helper to get 'em out.  

Serious question - pl. of uterus - is it uteri or uteruses?


thanks

N.

--
"It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be
thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge"                                                                       Voltaire
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: "Giving up" Marraige
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.052825.29458@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>it seems to me that asking people to give up
>marriage because you can't have it is a bit 
>akin to the fox and the grapes.  

Perhaps it is, though I doubt it.  In any case, it's a strawman: very
many of us here in soc.bi who ARE arguing this point of view CAN
"have" marriage.  Elisa and I could simply up and marry in a few
years, if we decide that it's the best thing to do.  Totally legal.
Will we?  Perhaps not, for we recognize that it is a legal privilege
bestowed on arbitrary grounds.  The "fox and the grapes" metaphor
simply doesn't apply.

>and it also seems to me that for all those 
>who can to refuse to marry until everyone can
>instead of getting marriage rights for all 
>may actually aid in the destruction of marriage
>as an institution, and any good that it contains. 

Any good that it contains is denied to a very large class of people in
this society.  Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, the institution is
wrong, and we would be better EITHER to abolish it or widen its
standards.  One or the other.

>if that is your goal, then, ok.  but i can't
>support that.  oh, as for those of us with kids...
>if you think it is just as easy in american 
>culture to raise children *unmarried* as *married*, 
>well, then, you obviously haven't tried it.  

I don't understand the point of this paragraph.  If there were no
marriage, this would be a moot point.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:59:11 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy

In article <1992Aug23.022452.5110@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> slh7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Suzanne Lacroix Hurley) writes:
>BISEXUAL? MONOGAMOUS? DUOGAMOUS? Feminist? Egalitarian? Want
>social, political, literary, artistic, spiritual, bisexual subculture?
>Write: BiCentrist Alliance (BCA), Post Office Box 2254,
>Washington, D.C. 20013-2254, U.S.A., or call information
>recording: (202) 828-3065. Free info packet.

What is a bisexual centrist?  Someone who is neither radical nor
conservative?  What is the target membership for this group?  Is there
some particular reason that "polygamous" was omitted from the ad?

--John

-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:45:31 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

|>In fact, I'll crosspost this to soc.bi and see what people think... I
|>imagine that it might turn out like an electronic version of "Bisexual
|>Lives"; and that would be no bad thing at all.

| I, at least, think it would be a good idea; though an ftp site
|rather than posting would seem (to me) to be a better idea;

n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch) writes:

|	I think an ftp site with bios is a good idea.  And if Ciaran was
|willing, it could have a copy of his bisexual phrase book as well. ;)  I
|tend to envision a sort of bi-info clearing house when I think of the
|possibilities.

I can offer an ftp site at Edinburgh.  I can't store vast quantities of
data but bios and other bi-resources like lists of books, contacts etc
would be feasible. 

Angi
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: "Giving up" Marriage
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Aug12.165850.29867@midway.uchicago.edu> (soc.bi), elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> 
> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
> >If she ever got hurt I would not be able to visit her as family. I
> >have no rights to her property. If anything were to happen to her, her
> >son would go back to his father in Ohio who hasn't sent her a penny in
> >9 years. Because we don't have that stupid paper from the state we are
> >limited in what we can do to take care of each other. ... I look and I
> >see one step that will allow me to take care of my mate in an
> >emergency, and it is very difficult not to consider reaching out and
> >grabbing hold of that option.
> 
> Scott, see a lawyer immediately.  A good, GLB-friendly one.  (Or, at
> the very least, buy or borrow one of the recent books on the legal
> issues of same-sex partnerships.)  If we learned anything from the
> Sharon Kowalski- Karen Thompson mess, it should have been to take at
> least _some_ legal steps to protect our relationships.

I can definately second that advice.  With properly written Powers of
Attorney you can even make it so that the hospital can not bar you from
visitation rights by limiting visitors to "family."   Scott, you might
also want to look into what it takes to be declared a legal guardian of
her children.  There are also provisions that can be made for property.
> 
> My opposite-sex SO and I have exchanged healthcare powers of attorney,
> and at least drafted our wills.  There _are_ things you can do.

My SO and I have just exchanged healthcare and finacial PoA's as well
as living wills.  Drafting wills is just waiting on finishing reading
another book on the subject.  Thus far we have not had to involve any
lawyers in the whole thing.

There is no reason (in my opinion) why people who live together should
not have the same rights of people who are married.  We have to fight a
bit harder for them, but I think that it is worth it to be able to
define my own relationship.
> 
> --
> Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
> 

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Grant's party... and demuffining self
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe L Johnson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:21:38 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Aug17.112346.9748@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe L Johnson) writes:
>>SHARON@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU ("Sharon Snyder, Summer Ice Queen") 
>>                                                    ^^^ ^^^^^
>>"Ice Queen"?... yeah, right!
>
>"Sometimes, in bed, it enters my head, to tell you that my love is strong
> But I don't say a word when I notice how hard you work to turn a cold man on"
>
>_Ice King_: Momus.  'nuff said ?

Ah yes, but only having met Sharon once, and when she was definitely not
in Ice Queen mode, i have trouble picturing her as such :^)

>
>>>It's a Coe! Yay! *snuggle* *cuddle* 
>>>*tumble*  <sigh>
>>  ^^^^^^
>>Oh, dear, i do believe we have ended up on the floor again... *snuggle*...
>>what shall we do to amuse ourselves down here? :^) 
>
>Can I watch & find out?

Certainly, but don't be surprised if we pull you down on the floor to join us!

>Tanaqui, voyeuse extraordinaire 

-Coe, reputation intact again
-- 
--------
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:35:40 GMT

In article <asuccop.714348953@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:

>	I've never heard anyone else say this.  I remember once when I
>	was (emotionally/physically) broken up w/my former honey, I was
>	*very* jealous of his bf, & used to get really really upset at the
>	thought of them sleeping together.  Then something happened & I made
>	up w/the former honey & we were considering becoming lovers again
>	& suddenly, the thought of them together was very very charged in
>	an erotic way.  What was both neat & disturbing was that in both
>	the 'jealous' and the 'eroticised' situations, I had basically
>	the same feelings of agitation/arousal, just with different
>	frames/words/feelings attached.
>
>	Just a neat observation...
>
>	Annemarie
>	asuccop@u.washington.edu

Yes, I can say I've experience that funny combination of jealousy and
erotic attraction for a lover's lover.  When things were going well, I had
the attraction.  When they were going poorly, I got the jealousy.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Norwich again (was Re: silly quotes)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:43:36 GMT

In article <96apbqqv@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <10428@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>>btw Anyone off to Norwich ???
>Of course - it looks like I'll have to be there early (registration desk
>duties, as well as my other hats for the weekend: firstaider, child
>care, security, crash-space supervision <heh!>, workshop facilitator)
>so I'll be around from late afternoon Thursday, all being well.  Malc,
>Judes, Justin, I know will be there; Dave and Alex seem certain; Daff
>I'm not sure of yet...

Ulp.  I've just got a little something in my pigeonhole that says that
I'll be attending the ACME research conference at Brunel on 1st-4th
September.  Looks like I've got a lot of conferencing that week (and -
ye gods and little fishes - I'm *running* another on September 16th).

				Kay

PS: there don't happen to be any bifolk who're attending the ACME conf?
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and DEC PDP's... is there a link?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:28:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <MUFFY.92Aug11065814@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
+I did both at the same time...a PDP 11/70 running RSTS/E and a CYBER
+170/760 with NOS.  Learned both Macro-11 and COMPASS.  Used TECO and
+XEDIT.  Pretty frightening.
+
+Muffy

Gosh, all of my preconceived notions about persons named 'Muffy' are
being dashed... CYBER.... next you'll be talking about CRONOS.

My first 'screen' oriented editor was TECO with a macro set
compatible with a VT-52 (And people wonder why vi was so
popular...).
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:23:23 GMT


In a previous article, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) says:

>I'm going to go out on a limb here and post my predictions for the
>conference.  These were worked out over the last week based on my
>study of the various campaigns.  I don't have a degree in political
>science, but... well, here it goes:

Just curiosity, why did this make it to soc.bi and soc.motss?

Aren't there more political places to put this?
-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
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