HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: technical question here
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:33:54 GMT

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:02:42 GMT, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) said:

> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
> ] 
> ]   This shouldn't be a problem, since the commandment in question
> ]   (along with 606 others) were given specifically to Jews, who
> ]   DO have the judicial system to prevent abuse.  The trouble
> ]   arises when others pick and choose portions of the text for
> ]   their own use.

> dc,

> this raises the somewhat interesting question for
> those who are 'christian biblical literalists':

> would you recommend that they spend a little time
> understanding a bit of the Talmud before they
> go kibitzing about what the 'old testament' means?

> ciao
> drieux

A good idea.  Unfortunately, as seen with the missionaries on
alt.messianic, they insist on deliberately misreading the Talmud also.
If they understood what they were reading they wouldn't give us so much
trouble.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25789 soc.culture.german:10128
From: nraclaw@jade.tufts.edu (Nissan Raclaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:40:28 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


	Hmmmmm......
	All of this discussion about what a Jew is, religion,
secularism, sexism, etc. ignores one very crucial issue.  The concept of
a religious sphere of existence and a secular sphere of existence, and
that the two are at odds is alien to Judaism (and was alien to most
cultures, and still is to some).  One is a Jew. Period.  To the orthodox
Jew, being a Jew is being a Jew.  There is not a "conflict" between the
"secular world" and the religious one.  There is one world and the
religious Jew acts in this world according to the way (he or she thinks
that) a Jew is supposed to live.  In the Middle Eastern Jewish
communities, there did not arise a conservative or reform type of
Judaism.  This is not to say that every Jew was Ortho. according to
modern definitions, but that to be a Jew was to be a Jew was to be a
Jew.  Judaism was not a religion as distinct from the rest of life, it
was and is life, for a Jew.  What the individual Eastern jew did was his
own problem, but he didn't make a whole movement out of it.  When the
non-Jewish world did things that Jews could not, in both Ashkenaz and
Sepharad, Jews didn't change Judaism so that they could "fit in" until
the Reform movement.  The whole of Judaism is a way of life, designed,
one could argue, and indeed the Torah does, to separate Jews from
non-Jews in fundamental ways.  If you can't eat at a non-Jews home, and
you can't pray with him, and you find that you have to live near a shul,
thus de facto apart from non-Jews, the effect is to separate.  It is
only the modern mind which makes a false distinction between religion
and life.  once that is made, of course Judaism can't fit into "secular"
life, because "secular" life is not Jewish life.  Jews may be
non-religious, but they can't claim that by being secular Jews their
secularism is magically transformed into "Jewish" life.  they become, if
indeed they identify at all, Jewish in the same way that a Serb is a
Serb.  It is ethnic pride, not that I think that that is bad, but it is
not exclusive to Jews.


Whew, that was plenty for now......

With love of Jews, 

(see, ethnic pride)

Nissan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Subject: More competition interested in buying Bezek
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:35:54 GMT

The February 1 issue of Business Week gave the following information
concerning the Bezek privatization, but I don't know if there's more
to the article than this:


"The competition to buy into the Israeli phone monopoly, Bezek, is heating up.
Both Southwestern Bell and Bell Atlantic have joined with Israeli partners
for possible bids.  Sprint and AT&T are also said to be interested.  In a
few weeks, the Israeli government will reveal how much of Bezek it wants
to sell and the terms."


If I get more of the article I will post it.


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:37:49 GMT

>Can anyone suggest why they might have needed to know the location of
>the safe? 

Maybe she wanted her teddy bear.

Was there any evidence they had the combination?


--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Kosherizing Recipes
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:19:51 GMT

In article <1k4tblINNcao@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin) writes:
>Does anybody
>have any experience with direct substitutions for some of these that
>would leave a recipe intact (rather than, say, taste the same)?  I am
>looking for substitutes for:
>
>pork chops		(main ingredient)

Veal is usually considered the best substitute, at least in terms of texture.
I suppose one could also try some of the various textured vegetable protein
products around - Worthington and Loma Linda are the biggest brand names
that I've seen with a hechsher.

>welsh rabbit (!)	(common in older cookbooks; maybe chicken?)

Welsh rabbit has nothing to do with rabbit at all.  It's a corruption of
the word "rarebit" and is essentially a cheese sauce served over toasted
English muffins or toast cups.  If you want to make it, you just heat up
some milk or beer, add cheese and seasonings (worcestershire sauce and
dry mustard are common) and pour over toast.

>ham			(I think smoked turkey may work for this)

Smoked turkey seems the best bet, to me also.  I remember once seeing a
recipe for a kosher version of chicken cordon bleu that used smoked turkey
as a replacement for ham and tofu (or, I suppose, a parve soy cheese) for
the cheese.

>shrimp			(main ingredient)

The best bet is surimi.  This is processed white fish (typically pollack) 
that's been molded to look like shellfish.  The brand name I can get here
is "Mendel's" and they're labeld things like "It's Not Shrimp".  (They
also make mock lobster and mock crab versions).  It's somewhat pricey but
reasonably good.  I use it in stir fries or tossed with pasta, artichoke
hearts, garlic and lemon.

>clams			(flavoring)

Your best bet is a textured vegetable protein product.  I know that
Worthington Foods makes a mock scallop one so I wouldn't be surprised if
they did a mock clam one, too.  If you use TVP, rinse it well as it tends
to be very salty.

>bacon			(flavoring)

There are a number of products you can use.  There are various soy bacons,
for example.  If you want crumbled bits for a salad or the like, Bacos are
kosher and there are several other brands of imitation bacon bits that I've
seen.  If you want strips, Morningstar Farms breakfast strips are fairly
good, but be forewarned that they're milchig.  (Incidentally, their
soy sausages are excellent.)  Otherwise, you can use one of the kosher
beef fry products.


Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:58:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171103.3144@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>In article <1993Jan16.054621.228@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan15.174306.3579@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>>>In article <46275@unlisys.in-berlin.de> stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl) writes:
>>>>green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:

>>>Yes, the SS was "kinda special" all right. That's why they were considered
>>>a criminal organization. No one forced your grandfather to join the SS.

>>How the hell do you know this?  How do you know who encouraged him to 
>>join, who told him about the SS, what he was told? 

>Who gives a damn? My point was that SS membership was *voluntary*.

Voluntary action must be judged in the context of the information
available.  If the person does not know that the SS is doing criminal things,
can he be called a criminal for joining?  

If the SS represents itself to a recruit as one thing, but does another,
this is fraud -- but why blame the victim of the fraud?

Keep in mind that CNN didn't cover WW II.  People didn't exactly know what
was going on in the countries that Germany occupied.  They weren't tourist
destinations. 

>>>As far as I'm concerned he should have been
>>>executed after the war as a war criminal. 

>>That makes you a bigot.  No international law makes belonging to 
>>an organization a capital offense; only the Nazis and the Soviets ever
>>dispensed that kind of "justice" in this century, and people like them. 
>>Jewish law also forbids such actions, btw.  

>>Shame on you.

>If condemning SS members as accomplices to genocide makes me a bigot,
>I will wear the title with honor.

Condemning those who WERE accomplices is all right.  Condemning those 
who were not makes you willfully blind.  Taking pride in your chosen
blindness is disgusting, a celebration of ignorance by choice.  

>>>I can understand your wanting
>>>to defend him since he is your grandfather, but it still seems like 
>>>you are trying to whitewash the whole thing. 

>>What whole thing is that?  Evidence, please, or withdraw your slander.

>We are not in a court of law. 

But we *are* in public, and carrying on a discussion.  If you wish
to slander and lie, do it in private.

>I just get tired of hearing this rubbish
>about how there were what, 3 guilty Germans? 

He didn't say that.  Don't put your own stupid words in his mouth.  He
has acknowledged that many, many Germans were criminals.

>No one else knew anything
>or had any responsibility, even member of the SS. 

Again, your own stupid distortions.  If you wish to make a point about
an individual, make it with evidence, not with hysteria and distortion
and slander and lies.

>And oh yes, some US Marines committed rape.

Should they not be punished?

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.religion.misc
From: fuer@nessie.gud.siemens.co.at (Gerhard Fuernkranz)
Subject: Re: Siemes Wien is email hell - someone needs to get their act together
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:10:00 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Werner Uhrig (werner@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	I tried to email PEYERL MICHAEL, SIEMENS AG VIENNA at the address he
: 	provides (E-MAIL: mxcrew at mx2306.gud.siemens.co.at) and then, when
: 	that bounced, tried to reach ANYONE at ANY Siemens site:

Werner,

The address you have, is correct. The real problem was, that our nameserver
died last night. When the name server is dead, the mailer is unable
to resolve the host names and says `host ... unknown'. When I came
today morning at 9:00, my first action was to fix the problem.

I don't know, why you are so concerned about such a minor
temporary technical problem. What should we do ?
Shall we spend the whole night in our company and keep
a watch on our hosts, because they could die (which happens
max. a few times per year) ?

We all must take into account, that sometimes technical
problems or faults occur - and when they happen in the middle
of the night, nobody might be there to fix them immediately.

Calm down, take it easy and simply try it again.

Greetings,

Gerhard

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Email: fuer@siemens.co.at	Gudrunstr. 11
Phone: +43-1-60171-5716		A-1100 Wien

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25923 soc.culture.arabic:6873
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:33:19 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Was ARAFAT A GIRL?
 <93013.0211212893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <4646@bimacs.BITNET>
 <93016.1549502893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <goldberg.727363176@techunix.technion.ac.il>
 <93020.0037312893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <goldberg.727693478@techunix.technion.ac.il>

In article <goldberg.727693478@techunix.technion.ac.il>,
goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) says:
>
>Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>No, it's not what I had in mind. English (capitalised) refers to the
>>nationality, english refers to the language.
>
>Thank you very much for that information. My usual reference (remember that
>English is not my native language) is the Ward Lock dictionary, Oxford
>edition,
>which does not quote anything like "english" and translates "English" as
>nationality and language.
>
>Yaaqov "Jacques, in French" Goldberg

Style conventions vary, in any case how is this relevant to judaism?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:26325 talk.politics.mideast:26386 soc.culture.turkish:15164
From: hxb6@po.CWRU.Edu (Harry Berger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: YU EMail Access
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:27:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know if students at Yeshiva University can be sent EMAIL
If so HOW?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (greig.grieve)
Subject: Re: Thirteen tribes :)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:42:45 GMT
Summary: Ephraim and Manassah from Joseph
Keywords: qweerrty

In article <1993Jan21.143431.203485@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> This should get some people scratching their heads:
> 
> There were thirteen Israelite tribes not twelve:
> 
> 1.) Judah
> 2.) Benjamin
> 3.) Simeon
> 4.) Levi
> 5.) Ephraim
> 6.) Menasseh
> 7.) Asher
> 8.) Gad
> 9.) Reuben
> 10.) Issacher
> 11.) Zebulun
> 12.) Naphtali
> 13.) Dan
> 
> We may also consider the Kohanim to be a 14th tribe of Aaron.
> 
> This raises an interesting question. Who are the 10 "lost" tribes meant to be.
> We all know that Judah and Benjamin were not exiled by the Assyrians, and if you
> check up you'll see that neither was Simeon. Also the Levites and Kohanim were
> not lost. This leaves only 9 "lost" tribes. :)

The original 12 tribes were descended from the sons of Jacob (Israel), one of
whom was Joseph. The Levites were distributed amongst the others as a priestly
caste. The two sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Menassah, were then considered as
two tribes replacing Joseph.
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Was ARAFAT A GIRL?
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:25:25 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <1993Jan21.111213.7185@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil.Idriss:) writes:

>Timtum? Is this an Arabic or Hebrew word? I have never heard it before.

It's Hebrew.



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From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Negaitve Jewish portrayals in Film (was: Re: GO SEE "A STRANGER AMONG US"!!!)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:46:51 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
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In article <1jml2sINN3uh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>In article <4979@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>|> I would think it would be fair to say _Orthodox_ Jews instead.  There
>|> aren't too many films that portray Jews negatively in mainstream movies,
>|> unless you care to give examples.
>
>First you have to define "mainstream."  I would contend that Mel Brooks
>"History of the World" was pretty disgusting.  I do not find any humor
>in Jews hanging on the racks of the Inquisition singing a "show tune" 
>with big noses, filthy bodies/clothes wearing a tallis and a religious
>outfit as any form of humor.
>
>I am sure that there are other examples.  Anyone care to post more....
>

In terms of the "materialistic money-grubbing Jews" stereotype, it's not
that uncommon in popular movies, though I would say that by and large
Hollywood is fairly sensitive to that.  (Gee, I wonder why.)  Movies that
I would call mainstream that had unflattering characterizations of Jews
include 'Crimes and Misdemeanors'--actually a lot of Woody Allen's films
seem to tie his neuroses into his Jewishness--which is certainly unflattering,
though whether more to him or to the religion is in the eye of the viewer.  

The name of Spike Lee's most recent film preceding 'Malcolm X' is momentarily 
eluding me; I chose not to see it because I read a few reviews noting the 
extremely mercenary Jews characterized in it and decided that I didn't need 
this.  

			. . .Alexandra




Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Andy again... (was Re: Was ARAFAT A GIRL?)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:40:56 GMT

In <93022.1833192893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
<2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Style conventions vary

Face it, Andy.  You're wrong.  In any case, no "style convention"
allows for dangling participles.

>in any case how is this relevant to judaism?

As relevant as your put-downs of Erlich's fluency in English, or
your long reposts of political articles.

--
David Skoll.
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan27.191447.7165
Organization: Castle Anthrax

In article <1k6k0oINN329@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin) writes:
>Wasn't David from the tribe of Benjamin?

Nope, Judah. Saul was from the trribe of Benjamin.

The lineage from Perez to David is traced in Ruth 4:18-22. Perez was
one of Judah's sons by Tamar (see Genesis 38).
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
From: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mabat News on Schola - Why Gone?
Keywords: Israel, news, TV
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:52:34 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsum.egr.msu.edu


SCOLA's major funding comes from an Arab News Agency (See the credits in SCOLA
for the exact name).  This is why the reading of the KORAN is broadcast from 
Mecca *every night* on SCOLA.  

Does it surprise anyone that the first budget problem, and Israeli news is the
first to go?  Why not put the funds from the reading of the KORAN to the 
broadcasting of International news (as is the function of SCOLA)?

Who knows!

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Why I'm Reposting the Reading Lists
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:31:39 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org


During my study during Shabbat, I found yet another good source of references
to add to the reading list, so I have updated and slightly reorganized the
lists. I have cancelled the previous post, and am reposting the new lists
(this time to soc.answers as well, as they are part of the FAQ) for your
perusal. At the current time, I plan on reposting them quarterly (unless you
think they need to be posted more often).

Daniel
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From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (M. Hasan AlHafez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF TALMUD ??
Keywords: TALMUD
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:52:23 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: hasan@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu






What is the origin of the Talmud ? and how many there are ?


Hasan
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: The Kotel Hama'aravi has a fax number!
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:07:01 GMT

I was taught that one could log in from almost any location even
without a terminal or fax machine.  It's toll free, too.
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/ nysernet.org
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kashering appliances
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:47:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.106346
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)

In article <1993Jan23.010633.11346@speedy.aero.org>, nadel@attatash (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>I know nothing about microwaves since I've never had one.  I remember
>something about putting water in to make steam but it isn't clear.

Microwaves are subject to a wide variety of opinions.  Some say they can't
be kashered at all, while others say that cleaning it and running steam in
it for 3-5 minutes kashers it.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish