HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lleut@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger)
Subject: my email address
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:55:18 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

My appologies to anyone trying to respond directly to my postings.
Due to my brain dead PC-RT I used an account that can not be
reached from the outside world when posting recently.  If you want 
to send mail directly to me use the address  lleut@watson.ibm.com  until 
July 31st.  My contract with IBM expires on the 31st (yea!! no more big blue).
[as the disclaimer says that is certainly not IBM's opinion].

Starting Aug 1 my address will be lisa@icase.edu although I won't be
reading mail and news very often until we move to virginia Aug 31st.

---lisa leutenegger  (2 1/2 +/- weeks to go until I can sleep on my stomach)
   lleut@watson.ibm.com
From: mwyllie@at4cad.uucp (Mary Wyllie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:55:07 GMT
Followup-To: mwyllie@at4cad.intel.com
Organization: intel

Just another data point...

While I know of a few people who lost weight while breastfeeding, it seems to
be more common (at least from the people I've heard about) to maintain more
weight while breastfeeding.  In spite of the fact that the body burns a 
tremendous number of calories while nursing, I think it's also more common
that the body holds on to the fat stores during that time (I've heard more 
stories of people who suddenly dropped 10 lbs. immediately after they
stopped nursing).

So, for those of you (like myself!) who don't seem to lose the weight so fast,
be patient, give the kid what they need, and you'll get there eventually!

Mary
mwyllie@at4cad.intel.com
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: startled 9yo!
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: quark2.24JUL199208132461
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Rebecca is going to camp this summer and before they can go they have to 
have a complete physical.  Yesterday I took her in to see her ped and 
everything went great.  Then the big surprize came, he told her she 
would have to have a urinalysis done.  She looked at me puzzled and 
after he left she asked what that was.  I started the reply with, "First 
you have to pee into a cup.." and before I could finish she cuts in 
with, "WHAT???? You have to be kidding! I'm not going to do that!"  I 
told her if she wants to attend girl scout camp this summer she would 
have to.  She agreed but insisted that I hold the cup so that there 
would be no chance of "any" getting her hand wet!  She was embarassed 
and so I guess the time has arrived for us to have our talks on a more 
serious level.  Sigh my little girl is growing up so fast.  The time is 
going by to darn fast!

Rita
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:09:47 GMT
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

In article <18704@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>most women react? One woman sent me mail to say that in one hospital they
>give all women an epdirual when they get to 5 cm. I mean, really! Sounds
>like they're running a racket for anaethesiologists (especially since
>epidurals run $800-$1000 a piece).
>

Just another data point.  My epidural cost $500.  Neither my OB nor
the staff at the hospital tried to push it on me.  They were always
open minded and did it only upon my request and my OB's approval.
My hospital does have a very high epidural rate: 80%-90% (which gave
me more confident on the anesthesiologists).

I did received the just the right amount of medication in terms that
I could feel the pressure of each contraction but without the pain.
I also felt the strong urge to push when it was time and alerted the
labor nurse.  During pushing, I could feel the baby moving down the
birth channel.  All these without pain!

Christine was extremely alert when she came out, not drowsy at all.
My ped said from his 20 years of pratice, he's never seen a baby
that is affected by the epidural.

I am not trying to advocate epidurals.  Just want to relate my experience.

Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 7 mo
wang@optigfx.com
From: behrens@gdls.UUCP (Lynette Behrens)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Announcement
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:13:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

I'm happier than you can imagine to announce the arrival of:

	Brianna Lynne
	born May 5, 1992 at 1:34 p.m.
	9 pounds, 2 ounces
	21 inches long

She was ten days late, but more than worth the wait!  Labor and
delivery seemed to be very easy, but I'm no expert, this being
my first!  We went home two days later (with Mom at her pre-
pregnancy weight, thank you!) and she started sleeping through
the night the day after that!  What a wonderful child. . .

Now I'm back to work (half days only) and I couldn't wait to
share the news!  I've been reading and enjoying this group
for months - - now I finally feel like I'm a part of it.

Thanks for letting me brag,
Lynette
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waters Break...Go to Hospital..Why? (was Re: Use of drugs during l
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:31:47 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

My waters broke at 2 am.  The OB I talked to on the phone (or midwife,
or nurse, who knows) told me that as long as I still felt the baby move,
I could stay home until the next afternoon (or until contractions
got 3 min apart).  Contractions started about 7 am, and I went to the
hospital at noon.  Baby born at 10:30.  However, I ran a temperature so
both the baby and I ended up on antibiotics for 3 days and the baby narrowly
avoided a spinal tap to check for meningitis.  I'm pretty sure that the
temp was just due to exhaustion, but it could have been an infection.

As a side note, hearing about all these totally painless labours seems
unbelievable to me.  I have a pretty high pain tolerance, and muddled through
my first labour without an epidural (I got one, but it only worked for
45 minutes).  However, I wouldn't exactly call the process painless!!!

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: FORTUNE magazine special supplement
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:58:15 GMT

Just FYI, this month's FORTUNE magazine includes a special supplement
entitled CHILDREN IN CRISIS.  Very informative, very thought-provoking
look at some of the issues of today.  Full of really scary stats too.

Of the 65 million Americans under 18, 20% live in poverty.  
Children under 16 make up the largest group of Americans without medical
    insurance.
More than 3 children a day die of injuries inflicted by abusive parents.
Among 15 to 19 yos homicide by firearms is the 3rd leading cause of death
   (after car crashes and suicide) for whites and THE leading cause for
    blacks.

Federal spending on children (in billions, 1990 figures) was $68.6.
It was $354.5 for the elderly, although the population of Americans over
    65 is less than 1/2 that of children under 18.

Interesting quote, too, from Reagan's former Educ. Sec. William Bennett:

"Trying to legislate solutions to help distressed children is the equivilent
of trying to svae a patient by implanting an artificial heart.  Only
healthy families headed by responsible parents in caring communities can
succeed in raising healthy kids."

I don't know if I buy into that.  I know it surely would help, but is that
supposed to be the Reagan administrations excuse for not trying?  All
 I do know is that children are the single most important resource we have 
as a civilized (at times I wonder :-) ) society.  We had better do
something pretty damn quick.  

Well, I'm babbling now.  This info is just FYI, and, as usual YMMV.  Check
out the FORTUNE supplement for many more articles of interest (all the
above came from the leadoff article) and I look forward to any discussion
this may spark.  


--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:35:00 GMT

I have read all the posts so far on this subject, and I would
like to add a different perspective. My son (age 3 10/12) never
would eat junior food. He has a hyper sensitive mouth, which
is related to his speech delay, and low muscle tone in his
facial muscles, which is related to his articulation problems.
I fed him strained food until he was over 2 years old, because
the doctor said it was the same nutritionally as other food.
He currently eats a very limited variety of foods (although this
is starting to improve). I am not trying to alarm anyone, or
draw conclusions about anyone else's particular child, just
presenting my experiences.
                                   Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:53:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9207281916.AA27027@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
>About all this talk about kids being around other sick kids, let me add
>more to your worries:
>
[items deleted]
>
>By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
>the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
>people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
>environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
>dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.
>
Are you sure it's absolutely necessary to take what I said to 
extremes?

I shouldn't be surprised, but I do find it sad that you seem to equate
my wanting to take a few reasonable precautions to being completely
paranoid and a candidate for a sterile bubble.

But, hey, I don't want to be paranoid, so from now on, when I am 
around someone who is coughing or sneezing, I'll get just as close
to them as I can.  If I can kiss them, all the better!  Yeah, yeah,
that's the ticket.

Good grief, Shirl - isn't it even remotely possible that I have half
a brain and more than a grain of reasonableness?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Re: Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:57:00 GMT

In article <13641@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes...
> 
>Having a baby seems to be freeing me up to do things I would have felt too 
>silly to do before--anybody else notice that? When I went to the bookstore 
>the other night, carrying little Will in his Sara's Ride, he began to fuss, 
>and I found I could calm him by swaying back and forth and jiggling around 
>like an idiot. No embarrassment there--there was my excuse, riding on my 
>hip. It worked, too--he slept happily the rest of the time I was there.
> 
Ah, yes, the mother's dance! What really makes you feel funny, though,
is when you aren't carrying a kid, and you find yourself swaying
back and forth, like you need to do with a baby. Oh, well, can I
call it exercise?
                             Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.104700.13688@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.222856.17316@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>> Last year jeffrey and I attended a Parent/Toddler class. Jeffrey was one of 
>the older kids, and definitely the most agressive. He was taking toys away 
>from the other kids, which put me in a hard position. 
>
>Just a comment--typical toddler behavior is hard on both types of parents:
>the parent of the victim, and the parent of the little thug :).  Like Laura,
>I was usually in the latter group.  My son has always been very active, and

Are you calling my little darling a little thug ;-)

Anyway, lucky me, I have been on both sides of the fence. While Jeffrey did
go thru a stage of taking toys away (which all kids were going thru, but 
Jeffrey - being stronger - was more sucessful), he seldom hit another child.
In many ways, he is a very gentle boy. As I mentioned in my previous post,
after Jeffrey outgrew the grabbing stage, one of the younger children started.
Unfortunately, it was always Jeffrey's toy he wanted, and when Jeffrey wouldnt
give it up, the other child would resort to violence. At least twice he bit
Jeffrey. We arent talking little nips thru clothings! The first time was about
1/5 inch below his eye, and it drew blood, and the second time was on Jeffreys
wrist, and it gave him a welt and bruise.

Both times I was devestated, which really surprised me. I remained calm,
paritally for Jeffrey's sake, and partially for the other mother's sake. I
really felt sorry for her. Shortly before it happened there had been a 
thread on misc.kids on how it felt to be the parent of a biter, and it
really helped me to deal with her, and do everything I could to make her 
feel that it wasnt her fault, because it wasnt. But, it was really hard for
me. Later the teacher told me she appreciated, and was impressed by, how
well I handled it, and I told her what I really wanted to do was to go off 
into a corner and cry.

>hitting, and other kids are catching up in size.  But still, next time you
>see one of those tiny terror tots heading for your child, please don't assume
>he is the product of a parent who either doesn't care, doesn't try to teach
>or doesn't think it is worth worrying about.  WE DO!!

Yes!

Laura Floom
>
>Ann Helmers
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:13:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <Bs8LIt.nz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
...
>
>Oh please.  Sure, urine has ammonia and urea in it, but there's no 
>way simple wound contact is going to send someone into toxic shock.
>The stuff is simply too dilute.  Kidney failure causes death after 
>DAYS of non-performance.  I wouldn't drink urine, but you should 
>keep in mind that it is, in fact, used as an ingredient in drinks in
>some parts of the world.  There are several tribes in which some members
>eat an hallucinogenic substance (and suffer hangovers) while other members
>drink the urine of the 'shroom eaters, thus gaining the psychodelic 
>experience without the hangover.  

Additionally, certain types of cheeses are catalyzed into
curdling by the addition of uric acid.  I'll leave it to you all
to speculate on how this was discovered, and whether they to it
that way any more.


8-)

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:04:48 GMT

I just remembered another thing that got us through incessant crying.

Sometimes I told myself that our efforts at comfortable were not
totally successful but they were a partial comfort.

It helps to think that you are doing the best that can be done, even if
it's not that good.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.001806.2226199@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>This bothers me and I'll tell you why.  I was the younger cousin of a bully
>who thought is was fun to do things like try to suffocate me with a pillow,
>try to drown me in the swimming pool, glue fire crackers to my thumb and
>light them, rape me when I was 9 and he was 12, etc., etc., etc.  Needless
>to say we fought rather violently.  And the thing that sticks in my mind
>is that not ONCE did any adult intervene.  I was told things like "ignore
>him and he won't pick on you".  He would break my things, really hurt me
>(once almost putting my eye out), etc.   And were left to "work things
>out".
>
I wonder if you read the original post? It was discussing ways to deal with
children who are roughly the same age, although of different temperments.
For children of different ages it is necessary for an adult to protect the
younger child, but that really wasnt what we were discussing.

Laura Floom
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tantrums (Was: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:43:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

My 18-month-old daughter is starting to get grumpy during grocery
shopping, and I try to keep her amused until we're done. Twice now,
she has had major screaming/crying tantrums while sitting in the
grocery cart. (She's tired/bored.) I sympathize, tell her we'll be
home soon, and if that doesn't clear things up, I try to ignore her.
(She wants to get out of the cart and tear things off the shelf.)
So far, other shoppers have been fairly supportive. (They all watch
to see how I handle it.)

On another occasion, Georgia was sitting in her stroller while I
picked photos to be duplicated at a film store. Same thing: she wanted
to get out and tear up the store, and when I politely refused,
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! The clerk was so upset that she told me that I should
come back later, which made me very unhappy because I had been trying to
complete this errand for weeks. I should have thrown a tantrum!

I didn't appreciate being penalized for my daughter's bad mood, but
I was about ready to punch the clerk, so I removed myself from the
situation. Now all I have to do is teach my daughter to do that!

Janine
janines@novell.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:30:21 -0400 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food

On 28-Jul-92 in Transition from Smooth to "..
user Catherine Robshaw@cs.tor writes:
>Should he not be able to handle these foods by now?  I read
>that babies should pretty well be eating all "real" food
>by a year old.  Am I being unrealistic?  Did I wait too long?
>Are there any foods I should be starting him off on?
>Any advice?

I don't remember (precisely) age-wise when we introduced Mickey (now
2.75yrs) to solid foods, but I seem to recall it coincided with
teething.  He was biting & chewing a lot to relieve the irritation in
his gums & cheerioes seemed to help a lot.  This was after his front 4
teeth came in (at 6-9 months).

I do remember that he wasn't on all "real" food until 15-18 months, so
don't worry about hitting the 1-year milestone & still buying baby food
for Bradley.
We did skip junior foods and went from first foods to the next level,
then to finger foods + soft real foods, like applesauce, yogurt,
oatmeal, etc.  The finger foods seemed to feed his desire for
independence & the soft real foods satisfied our need to see him eat a
balanced diet.

I can't say if you've waited too long, since only you know when your
child is ready for the next steps of independence.  Eating is more than
nutritional development, though, & if he's not interested, he's probably
not ready, so don't worry.

(BTW, replace references to food & eating in the above paragraph with
references to potty training & you'll hear my personal mantra about
Mickey; if it's not one thing, it's another! :-)

Your mileage may vary, but I hope this helps.

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alainew@mentorg.com (Alaine Warfield)
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Summary: 
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:31:47 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

We went the whole route with Bradley classes from the time I was 4 months pregnant, but I ended up
having a C-Section because my baby was a surprise breech (Bradley method discourages unnecessary
ultrasound scans, or I probably would have insisted on a scan when I suspected a breech baby late in
the pregnancy).

Nevertheless, I was able to use what I learned in the Bradley classes to recover quickly from the
C-Section as I was able to deal with the pain without much in the way of drugs.  The Bradley techniques
have helped with coping with plugged ducts and sore nipples as well as helping me to cope with some other
medical problems I have.

A major difference between Bradley and Lamaze is Bradley method teaches diet and excercise regimes
which really need to be used throughout the pregnancy.  Most Bradley classes would prefer you to
start within the first few months of the pregnancy and the class is 12 weeks long.
I feel that even if you end up with a medicated birth or a C-Section, the care you have taken of your baby and your
body during pregnancy will greatly benefit the baby.  Bradley classes also cover C-Sections (I got more info from Bradley 
about recovering after a C-Section than the hospital gave me), other complications, and care of the newborn.

Bradley also emphasizes the importance of breastfeeding and discusses the ways in which hospitals can 
interfere with establishing a good breastfeeding relationship.  All of the mom's from my class are still
breastfeeding after 3 months -- other people I know gave up in the first couple of weeks.


	Alaine Warfield
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jokeefe@sfu.ca (Juliet O'Keefe)
Subject: Re:Bad Breath in 2YO
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:09:56 GMT


> In article <oeNPG4K00WB2McNkQJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Shirl G. Grant" <sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> > Lately tho he has had bad breath at the end of the day.  It isn't correlating
> > with new or strange food.  Should I be concerned?  The midday breath can knock
> > me out (although I am pregnant and maybe a bit more sensitive), it is at the
> > least worse than the morning breath.  What can I do?  Sometimes brushing with toothpaste
> > doesn't even help.

My son developed this problem just after he stopped nursing at 3.5. 
(Yeah, it was a long haul.) He was weaned quite abruptly as I 
developed severe strep throat and had to be hospitalized.
( I don't recommend this as regular practice - the crisis
 management school of child rearing....)
Liam starting having bad smelling breath, with almost a
 sweetish overtone. At first I assumed that he had picked
up the strep infection from me, but it didn't go away. Our
doctor said that because Liam suffers from allergies he
was breathing through his mouth and his nose wasn't able
to filter out various kinds of bacteria. Now that he's older
(he'll be six in November) the problem seems to have
mostly gone. I wouldn't panic and think that it was a 
symptom of something really dreadful, but a visit
to the doctor is always a good idea, if only to put your
mind at ease. 

Juliet


Newsgroups: misc.kids