HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: [nov-vortismo] Re: Pri -- ho ve -- `komputilo'
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:04:24 GMT
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct2.103329.26705@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> as_radfo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (AS Radford) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.172158.9373@news.columbia.edu> pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc) writes:
>...
>>>angla-esperanta vortaro estas "komputero" por "electronic computer."  La
>>>postfikso "-er", mi konjektas, estas la kulpanto--nun gxi signifas "parto
>>>de tuta komputo" anstataux "objekto kiu komputas."
>>>Sed mi ne vidas, kio estas malgxusta en "komputilo."  Cxu iu povas klarigi
>>>por mi?
>...
>>
>>Komputilo _estas_ la g^usta vorto. G^i estas regule kunmetita el bonaj
>>eroj, g^i estas simpla, aspektas bone, elparoleblas facile, kaj ne imitas
>>nacilingvan s^ablonon.
>>
>>Pierre
>
>Mee distinguishes, if I understand him correctly, between 'komputilo'
>- such as a simple calculator - and 'komputoro' - a programmable
>device with memory capable of holding instructions and data, with
>decision-making capability.  There is obviously, as in English, a grey
>area.  Sorry, my Esperanto isn't up to this on the allowable time-scale!
>
>
Yes, and that's what's known as "harfendado". The meaning of "komputi"
in today's world is "to do what a 'komputilo' does". There is the
perfectly sound "kalkulilo" for the pocket calculator if need be.

Archaic meanings _must_ be preserved, and understood, but for either
historical or humorous purposes. We cannot put the language in leg-irons.

Note that most of this peculiar attitude towards compound words comes
from people whose native language does not support active, free word
compounding. Those people have the beginner's tendency, sometimes
lingering for years, to think that compound words are no more than the
sum of their elements. They are not, nor have they ever been even in the
earlier days of Esperanto.

Pierre

Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: hottasan@ho.shs.sumiden.co.jp (HOTTA Hirohiko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Fus^aj kunmeta^jeroj : -)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:46:56 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Pardonon! Mi eraris.

** 1992-9-28-12:56, HOTTA Hirohiko <hottasan@ho.shs.sumiden.co.jp>  :
*** Aldone, en la korea :
>	"k'ompyuut'a"(lau latintransskribo de Korea Respubliko)
>	-----+	------	 ----	--- |
>	 /   |   |  |	<    >	|   |
>  	  |	------   ----	|-- |-
>	--+--	------  ------	|   |
>	 |	  ||	  ||	--- |
>	 +---	  ||	  ||	    |

La unua karaktro eraris.

	-----+	------	 ----	--- |
	 /   |   |  |	<    >	|   |
 	  |	------   ----	|-- |-
	--+--	------  ------	|   |
	+----+	  ||	  ||	--- |
	+----+	  ||	  ||	    |

--
HOTTA Hirohiko(s-ro)
Faka delegito de UEA /Konsiliano de Japana Esperanto-Instituto
FAX: +81-6-394-0759 (AK. Sumitomo Electric Hightechs., ^Osaka, Japanio)
From: dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: [festo] la Tago de Duobla-Nau'o
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:58:54 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


     C^i tiu dimanc^o (mi esperas, ke c^ie en la mondo oni uzas la
sep-tagan semajnon) estas la nau'a de nau'-monato en la C^ina kalendaro.
Oni suriras montojn por respekti al la mortintaj pragepatroj.

					ZHONG Qi-Iao
From: KNAPPEN@VKPMZD.KPH.UNI-MAINZ.DE (J%org Knappen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: esperant.sty pir LaTeX kaj TeX
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:26:49 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:20 GMT +0100

Yes, jen datenaro esperant.sty pri LaTeX. ^Gi anka^u verkas kun plain TeX.
esperant.sty estas havebla de 
ftp.uni-stuttgart.de       soft/tex/latex-style-supported
niord.shsu.edu             [.sty]   ! komputilo uzanta VMS-on

^Gis, J"org Knappen.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.islam,soc.culture.saarc
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Texts on liberation war [soliciting]
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:58:24 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu



I am soliciting the following related to 1971 liberation war for a project
proposal:

	Books
	Novels
	Autobiographies
	Journals
	Diaries
	Histories

Please e-mail or post names, references if available, and if you can send
me a few pages xeroxed [although this is asking a lot], that would be even 
better.

I need such material by Oct 2

Naeem Mohaiemen
ocmr 2605
oberlin college
oberlin, oh 44074

216-774-1993 [after 2 am, call collect]



I know already of:
	Jahanara Imam's book
	Masceranhas's book
	

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"You may also discipline some Bengali tigresses"
				[Pakistani Army officer, source: Shoronika '85]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zrkhan@athena.mit.edu (Zeeshan R Khan)
Subject: News
Keywords: Refugees
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:55:46 GMT

	DHAKA, Bangladesh (UPI) -- Bangladesh has accused the Dhaka mission
chief of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees of overstepping his
authority and is seeking his replacement, a senior government official
said Saturday.
	The official said Darioush Bayandor, the Iranian-born official in
charge of the agency's Bangladesh operation, has acted in an 
``undiplomatic and arrogant manner, and we found it extremely difficult
to get along with him.''
	The request to replace Bayandor was made by officials to Shamsul
Bari, the UNHCR Kuala Lumpur mission chief, who is in Dhaka to help mend
a growing rift with the Bangladesh government.
	Bari met Foreign Minister A.S.M. Mustafizur Rahman and Home Affairs
Minister Abdul Matin Chowdhury Saturday, when he was asked to convey the
government's position to UNHCR headquarters in Geneva.
	``We have explained that we have no objection to UNHCR involvement in
Bangladesh, but Bayandor has an attitudinal problem,'' said the official
who requested anonymity. ``He often seems to forget he is dealing with
the government of a sovereign state.''
	The UNHCR provides financial and technical aid to Bangladesh to look
after some 250,000 Burmese Muslim refugees living in 19 camps along a
road between the coastal towns of Coxs Bazaar and Teknaf.
	Bangladesh signed an agreement with Burma Apr. 28 last providing for
``safe and voluntary'' repatriation of the refugees, who say they fled
their homes in the northwestern Burmese province of Arakan because of
military repression.
	Many refugees in the camps have demonstrated against repatriation
with placards written in English, which, officials say, were most likely
supplied by aid officials to the illiterate refugees.
	Government officials have privately accused individual UNHCR and
relief agency officials of encouraging the militants.
	Attempts to reach UNHCR officials in Geneva for reaction were not
successful.






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I'm reposting this article on SCB, for SCB-readers who missed it in the
clari newsgroups
From: raquib_hassan@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Raquib Hassan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Test
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:25:03 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Please ignore............
From: kazi@bach.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Global Nomads
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:53:50 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


Recently Famin posted something about  a  conference  on  "Global
Nomads".   The appellation  "Global Nomads" is a pleasant  change
from  the many  derogatory  epithets  that are used  to  describe
the  various  categories  of  expatriate  deshis. We  have  ABCDs
(American  Born Confused   Deshis),   DCBAs  (Deshi  Came  Became
Americans),  and  what  are known as PIGS by Indian expats  (Poor
Indian  Graduate  Students).   Given  time,  I   suppose   people
will  come  up with the  Bangladeshi equivalent  of PIGS. Each of
these acronyms  are  devises of  exclusion.   ABCDs   are  looked
down  because they are unable to fit into either of two cultures.
DCBAs are looked down  as  traitors  for having  abandoned  their
origins.  And  PIGS are laughed at because of the nerd stereotype
that  is  attached  to  them.  Of course,  not  all  deshis  fall
into  such  stereotypes. There are second generation Americans of
Bangladeshi descent who  are  completely  at  home  in   American
society,  and  there are those Bangladeshis abroad who are equal-
ly at home in both  cultures.

What is  unfortunate,  is that so many do fall into such  stereo-
typical  groups.  People from each group will only mix with their
own  kind excluding  all  others. How would  SCB'ites  categorize
themselves?   From my personal experience  most  SCB'ites  appear
to  be  Bangladeshi  born  and  mostly Bangladeshi  educated  who
have come to America for higher education. There are a few Global
Nomads,  but I  don't  really   know  of  any  second  generation
Americans   of   Bangladeshi descent who are regular SCB partici-
pants (There was one such   person   who   doesn't    participate
anymore).  I would like netters' inputs about how much they think
they belong to a certain culture(s), adapting or even  assimilat-
ing  into a culture different from ones they have been brought up
in, culture shocks perceived etc.

-- Zunaid Kazi
   kazi@cis.udel.edu  @>--|--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: tanmon@next02pg2.wam.umd.edu (Tanveer Chowdhurm)
Subject: boring
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:38:49 GMT

Why is SCB so boring..........
		Tanveer
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:14:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

In article 22891@zip.eecs.umich.edu, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>I am curious to know what the situation is like in Bangladesh . How
>popular is Tagore *really* there ? Has he been able to reach out to
>the masses ?
>
>-Sayan Bhattacharyya

If anything, I think Tagore's popularity amongst the masses of Bangladesh
is even less than that in W. Bengal. However, he is quite popular 
among the educated urban middle classes. There are many music schools
in Dhaka which teach Tagore, Nazrul and other songs.  

I have heard speculations that if it was not for Debabrata Biswas,
Tagore songs would have remained even less accessible to Bengalis. He
was the first great popularizer of Tagore songs. And of course, his
songs are the best things that Tagore left us.

Shyama/Uttiyo was meant purely as a joke, since that was the worst kind
of "love affair" one can imagine - even Samson/Delilah was better.
Perhaps I should have added Shyama/Bajrasen :-)) (ok, ok, I like 
the songs of Shyama, too, but the story - well, that is another thing
altogether.)

- Ihtisham Kabir



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Writing in English?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 00:54:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir


A few weeks ago, I accidentally ran into Begum Rokeya's "Sultana's
Dream" in the local library. I read it and realized that she had
written Sultana's story in English. (This clarified why the
story called "sultanar shopno" that we had to study in class
nine of ten was so awful - it was a bad translation!) This discovery
led me to ask this question: why do so few Bengalis write in English?

Oh come on, I hear you say. Why should they? Who cares, anyways?
Well, let me relate an anecdote. Last year I ran into a Canadian
writer who, it turned out, was very fond of Tagore's work. He wanted
to know more about Bangladesh. I searched and found no book (in print)
that would do this in a way that exemplified the unique things in 
Bangladeshi culture. For example, the English translation of "Bangalir
Hashir Galpa" has long been out of print. In fact, the only knowledge
of Bangladeshi life this gentleman had was from reading Nirad Chaudhuri's
"Autobiography of an Unknown Indian" !

There are of course many reasons why Bengali writers would not want
to write in English. They write for a Bengali audience, for one.
Another reason is that we Bengalis have paid such a high price for
the freedom to use our language at all occasions that we cling to it.
Among the literati, the humiliation that Michael Madhusudan Dutta
received when he adopted English and tried to write in it probably
haunts many subconsciously.

I think we now have no questions about the security of being able
use Bengali. We now need to communicate with the rest of the world.
For this, we need to be able to write in English. More importantly,
we need to translate those marvelous Bengali works that are already
written. There is some urgency in this - over the last two decades
we have developed a reputation as acceptors, or takers. Now let us
give something back to the world.


- Ihtisham Kabir

PS, I am aware that quite a few books have been written by Bangladeshis
in English on development, but I was thinking more about literature.
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:42:51 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

In article <1992Oct6.144940.4447@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.141049.6350@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>>
>>While on the topic of Nazrul, let me see if I can stir this group to life
>>-- and arms?:-) What do folks think of Bangladesh "appropriating" Nazrul
>>as their national(?) poet? It is my impression - correct me if I am wrong
>>- that Nazrul never set foot in the Eastern part of Bengal till his final
>         -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>days. 
>  ----
>>
>>Bye
>>
>>Amitava
>>
> 
> This is absolutely untrue . There are, for example, many references
> in Buddhadeb Basu's writings of Nazrul's visits to Dhaka in the        
> 1920's and 1930's .
> 
> -Sayan Bhattacharyya
> 
>

He also spent some of his school years at Trisal, Mymensingh. He
used to go to Darirampur High school. Of course he did'nt finish
his school.

when he was young, he also lived in Comilla for some time. He was
in love with a lady there. He wrote some of his romantic poems
during that time.For example,

       Gopon o nurir kakon o baje,
       Baje Gomti Nodiro Tiray. ( Gomti is a river flowing through
                                  Comilla)

His famous poem " Babu der Tal Pukuray
                  Habu der dal kukuray" was also written then.
You will find that Tal pukur  in Comilla even today.
He married a lady named Nargis of Comilla, but for unknown
reasons he left the bride the day after the marraige. 

At one time of his life, he used to come to Dhaka very frequently,
because he was madly in love with Fazilatunnesa ( one sided ). You can 
read about this thing from the book about Nazrul by Dr. Kazi Motahar
Hossain (one of his friends). Fazilatunnesa was the first Bengali
Muslim woman to get a Masters degree in Mathematics and went to
England for higher studies.

---Zakir
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: THE GOLDEN RULES
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 08:39:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep25.111307.10230@cs.yale.edu> <66603@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Sep26.132716.24462@cs.yale.edu>

>>>THREE NOT-SO-GOLDEN-RULES OF SCB:

>	Er, as far as I can recall, I don't think I said: "If you
>offend Mr. Hassan Monu Alam, then Mr. Hassan Monu Alam will offend
>you."
>
>	I believe I used the personal pronouns "I" and "me". The last
>time I checked, they were still personal pronouns, not general terms
>of reference to any Tom, Dick, or Hassan. :)

Thank you for clairifying that even when you state "Rules of SCB"
you speak only for yourself. Given Bengalis are wont to wax in 
poetic terms, one could be forgiven for mistaking "I" as an incarnation
of the royal "We".

My apologies.

Hassan
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Oct6.141049.6350@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>
>What do folks think of Bangladesh "appropriating" Nazrul
>as their national(?) poet? It is my impression - correct me if I am wrong
>- that Nazrul never set foot in the Eastern part of Bengal till his final
>days. Are the ties of religion so strong that he becomes the national poet
>over someone like Jasimuddin? Is that enough cause to arrange the hasty
>burial in Bangladesh - although I'm sure his family consented to this -
>rather than burying him in his native district or city? These are points
>that were pointed out to me by a Bangladeshi friend who, though born
>Muslim, is now a self-professed atheist.
>
>Bye
>
>Amitava
>

I fail to understand what you mean by "appropriation". How can
art , particularly poetry, be appropriated ?

    "Bhool hoye gechhe bilkool.
     Aar sob kichoo bhag hoye gechhey,
     Bhag hoye niko Nazrul."

           (Annadashankar Roy)

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Summary: Debabrata Biswas
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:27:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep29.224214.10695@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
 
> I would
> doubt that Debabrata Biswas had a big role in popularisation of
> Tagore's music, for unfortunately he was persecuted for a long time
> by the music "establishment: in West Bengal for a long time and
> for quite a long period he wasn't even allowed to record Tagore's
> songs. His autobiography , in which he talks about it, is called
> "Bratyojoner Ruddhasangeet" ("Imprisoned Music of an Outcast")  .
> -Sayan Bhattacharyya.

Any idea why he was persecuted/black-listed?

Wasif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: BANGLA MAGZ from JAPAN
Originator: hassan@bcrka434
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:04:55 GMT


		BANGLA MONTHLY from TOKYO, JAPAN

Recently, I have received a bangla magazine from Japan.
This is a monthly published from Tokyo (1st year 7th issue)
named MATRIBHUMI. The printing quality of the magz is 
excellent including the layout, graphics and technical
works (Much better than the magazines published from 
Dhaka and better than those from North America as well).
The contents of the magazine, however, is so so. I hope
they can and will improve the quality of articles and 
reporting.

Given that a monthly is published, the bengali community 
in tokyo ( and other big cities in Japan ) must be of 
a reasonable size. Can someone from Japan shed some light
about the bengali community, its activities etc. ( I am really
overwhelmed with the technical quality of the magazine !! ).


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From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:21:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Sep30.192115.20130
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep29.194032.1@engvms.unl.edu>, mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:

> I think Rezwana chowdhuri Banya is the most popular one.
> Some other popular Rabindra sangeet singers are--
> 
> Kalim Sarafi
> Kaderi Kibria(recently migrated to USA) 
> Papia Sarwar
> Sadi Mohammad
> Tapan Mahmud
> Iffatara 
> Mithu Haque
> Sanjida Khatun 
> ---Zakir

I remember the late Zahedur Rahim who was very popular in his days.
Unfortunately he died a premature death leaving a vacuum which was
hard to fill. I understand Dr. Sanjida Khatun is involved in research
in the works of Tagore at the University of Dhaka where she is a 
professor of Bengali literature.

Anybody remember the music lessons of Pankaj Mumar Mullick on AIR,
Calcutta, on Sunday mornings? He used to start with a hymn in Sanskrit.
I never understood what it meant but it sure sounded very nice in 
that deep voice of his.

Shubhechhante,
Wasif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Subject: Re: The word "liberation"
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:59:50 CST

In article <1992Oct2.151021.20843@udel.edu>, kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
> 
> Since we are on this thread, here's an interesting but little known fact:
> 
> On the airport dias which was set up to receive Sheikh Mujib, (on his truimphant
> return to freedom and free Bangladesh in 1972), one of the first words that
> Sheikh Mujib uttered were to the then Prime Minsister Tajul Islam.
                                                        ------------

I think it should be Tajuddin Ahmed.

---Zakir



> 
> - Zunaid Kazi
>   kazi@cis.udel.edu
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:55:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.192731.20313@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.224214.10695@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
> 
>
>Any idea why he was persecuted/black-listed?
>
>Wasif

Apparently, because he had the courage to interpret Tagore in 
his own way . Which means that he would sometimes take liberties
with the music, and sing these songs in a slightly different
way from how they are normally sung. For example, his rendering
of "Megher porey megh jomeychhe" which I happen to have near me
at this moment is *quite* different from the way this song is normally
sung. 

In West Bengal, any recording of Rabindrasangeet needs to have the 
approval of an entity called a Sangeet Board which is under the 
auspices of Viswa Bharati University at Shantiniketan. Apparently
Rabindrasangeet purists at Shantiniketan weren't too happy with
the way Biswas was taking "liberties" with the songs and hence the
blacklisting. 

I have no doubt that Tagore , had he been alive , would have 
approved of Biswas's rendering of his songs. For Tagore himself
was a restless experimenter who didn't have much patience 
with purists .....


-Sayan Bhattacharyya.