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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:30:16 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Romantic Tragedy of the Electorate, Part II

Hi all:

Remember that piece I posted about Ross Perot being like the guy who
steals another guy's girl?  And now that she's been dumped she doesn't
know whether to go back to steady, dependable George (who lied to
her before) or run off with the handsome Southern stranger?

Well, tonight George came back to have a little talk with her.  He
promised that things would be different.  He apologized.  He
pledged his undying loyalty.  He reminded her of the good times,
of how great things used to be when everything was all right between
them.

And she's remembering how great things were, how much he used to mean
to her, how strong and dependable she knows he can be.  And she's
noticing that the gleam in the handsome stranger's eye might not
be the real thing she'd hoped it was.  And that he has something of
a shady past.  And that her life, if she ran off with him, might
be not just more exciting, but more insecure.  And she's wondering
if things really could be the same again, if she gave George another
chance.

And George stands there and sets his jaw and pledges to protect her,
to comfort her, to stand by her, and to work to make both their lives
better than they have been.  And he tells her that now it's up to
her.

And she's thinkin' about it.

But what about Ross?  What if he comes back?

Should she stay or should she go?

She's thinkin' about it.................

[..to be continued.....]

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:41:41 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      My humble apologies

MacPhil......

Sorry bout that.  We're in a different time zone out here.  Plus, the
newspapers are all owned by the Pulliam family, of which Dan Quayle is
a member.  As a result, not much negative Republican news can be found.

                                             ---roger
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:13:09 -0400
From:         Steve Rafferty <E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: George Bush on Abortion

>>Much as I love my son - if he murdered someone - deliberated, decided
>>to do it, and carried it out - I can unequivocally say that our
>>relationship would undoubtedly change.  My *horror* at what he had
>>done, at what he was *capable* of doing, would stay with me for a
>>long time.

>So?  Under the standard being proposed for Bush, you'd still be
>pro-murder if you "supported" him.

So?  I didn't propose that we could determine whether Bush was
pro anything.  I was musing about how what Bush *didn't say*
reflected upon his motivation to be pro-life.  As Jamie pointed
out, political expediency is a major motivation - if George
believed that being pro-murder would get him elected, he would
be pro-murder.

>>It seems that they feel that *their* family members could decide this
>>tragic question appropriately - If only every other woman in the
>>country had the decency and intelligence to approach the decision with
>>enough thought.

>We're still waiting for ANY evidence supporting that feeling.

Keep waiting, *careful* readers may have noted that that I began
the paragraph by qualifying the above as an opinion.  Though not
as frequently used as IMHO,  "IMNSHO" is used often enough.
"In My Not So Humble Opinion".

>Carter didn't disown Amy; does that mean that he "feels" that various
>illegal drugs are appropriate for the "right" people?  Does that mean
>he's secretly pro-drug?  No?  Then why is Bush/Quale any different for
>saying that they'd do the exact same thing wrt a LEGAL act?

-andy, do you really believe that murder and drug possession are
       anywhere near each other on the "horror scale"?

>-andy is still pro-abortion, but won't misrepresent bush to advance that

Steve believes that the president couldn't possibly be misrepresented,
     and that -andy has misrepresented Steve
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:53:00 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: from the battered wives

>those jammies obviously
>belong to someone taller who must have left them behind one night.

  Must've been Gary.  After all, *he* is the candidate
in charge of vice.

  Jimbo talks a lot about scandal, but will he ever deliver?

                           -Tim

Vote JohnsoN/OlsoN in November

the first candidates to deliver scandal
the first candidates to come out in support of frivolity
the first candidates to recognize the importance of logic and history
the first candidates to return ^^^^^^^ to the campaign
the first candidates to take a public stand on Travis
and
the first candidates to oppose "rules and regulations" on the list.ign

accept No substitutes.


posted by the johnsoN/olsoN campaign
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:38:20 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Cross-posted from FIREFLY-L

During the war scene, Groucho says "We're defending this lady's
(Margaret Dumont) honor, which is more than she ever did."  She never
did understand what he meant by that.

Evelyn
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:24:02 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Signs
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From the Chicago Tribune's "Inc." column - Friday, August 21:


Signs of the times:  One sign on the floor of the Repub convention:
"Woody Allen is Clinton's Family Values Advisor." ... A button (actually
a stick-on) says:  "Smile if you have nad an affair with Bill Clinton."
...It's not quite on the same level, but Dems are passing out large rubber
lips in honor of Bush's "read my lips" pledge in his 1988 acceptance
speech.  And it's only August.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:18:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject: RE: ACLJ Activities

The Bray case is about a judge who used the KKK law to prosecute
abortion protesters/clinic-blockers in Wichita.

-Travis
From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: RNC IV: A Prudent Finale
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:45:29 EST
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Well night four at the old RNC did go better than the previous nights.  Quayle
and Bush seem to be listening to the complaints of the attendees by toning the
passing-the-blame down a bit.  Their speeches were also very well delivered
although I must still take exception with the occasional lies, deceptions, and 
hypocracies.  They also seemed to borrow an awful lot of catch phrases from
other sources (couldn't they come up with anything original?).  There was also
a lot of crowd regurgitation going on--every third phrase or so, droning over 
and over and over (like brainwashed puppets).  The crowd did respond well
tonight, but the real question is how will the American people respond.  In
these next couple weeks we will just have to see if Bush can regain the lead
and hold on to it through the debates.

Some observations I made about Bush's speech:
1) He claimed it was unpatriotic to realize our economy is really hurting.
       (He said we had the best economy in the world and he didn't want anyone
       badmouthing it--yeah, he wouldn't want that, would he?)
2) He claimed that Clinton's proposal to increase taxes on the top 2% would
       mean "taxing everyone who has a job."  (Unemployment must be worse than
       I thought.)
3) In a produced video, Bush compared himself to Nixon, to try to convince us
       to "trust" him--I'm not sure Ole Tricky Dick was the right choice.  (He
       also compared himself to JFK--If Clinton is no JFK, then Bush certainly
       isn't one either.)

There were more, but I have forgotten them already, perhaps because I've been
up for two days preparing for finals.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:52:38 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: question on polls
              20 Aug 1992 12:46:47 EST from <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

The CNN coverage isn't worth watching.  They are *really* playing
up their own prejudices.

Watch CSPAN.  Unmediated, unbiased, gavel-to-gavel.

If you let the mediods tell you what to think, you aren't thinking
for yourself.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:38:21 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Logic Coup!

>
>God makes my rules, not you.  And I'll say what I please, thank you.

Um, not to, uh, belabor the Christian thang here, but, if God makes
your rules, how come you can say what you please? Shouldn't you
be saying what God pleases? Since he is the boss and all.

or is what you say, and what god says the same thing?


>
>--Missy P 2 B

an oreo raised in your direction,
jenna
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: George Bush on abortion
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:28:00 GMT
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In article <ncovey.713651656@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes...
>In <POLITICS%92081211321429@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes:
> 
>Nice try, Missy, but you miss the point, which is that George Bush,
>while stating a humane position in regard to his relatives, is also
>seeking to make abortion illegal. 

	What, exactly, has Bush done to encourage the illegality of 
abortion?

=============================
Robert Weiss
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From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Oooh, I am such an evil bigot!
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:40:31 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Andy Freeman writes:
< much deleted >

> (Maybe we'll see a discussion of the superiority of the
> preppie, or even the preppie posers.)

I'm not sure I understand you here--are you implying that I'm a preppie?!

And I guess the devastating failure of the Republican National Convention is 
leaving you kind of irritable--this is a really silly issue to strike out 
against.  Like those Xians to my newspaper to complain that they were offended
by Far Side implying that "God" couldn't get the chicken right on his first
attempt.  Lot more important things to diatribe about out there, know what I
mean?
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Fine, I love cowboys, ooh, they are so cool.  And computer science juniors
can't be considered "computer literate" in comparison to technopohobes, because
there are mega-sophisticated programming gods out there like Andy Freeman 
(who really can get the chicken right on the first attempt).  Satisfied?
                                                --  Kai Alexis Price
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:42:24 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Bigotry

>And I did not refer to "lesser programmers" but rather computer
>illiterates.

And, I pointed out that there's more to computer literacy than
the ability to use an ATM.  Those whose literacy is so limited
don't have much on those who can't even do that.

>And some spelling errors can be attributed to this being a VAX

No, they can't.  (There's not much of a difference between someone who
is afraid of a tool and someone who blames it for his/her mistakes.)

>We Yankees (I'm from MA) for some reason just don't percieve cowboys
>as pinnacles of hard work, perhaps because we view them as merely
>uneducated redneck goons who live in some twisted adolescent fantasy
>world where they dress up in ridiculous cowboy duds and drive around
>in a pick-up to prove how masculine they are to everyone.

I must know the wrong Yankees.  Most Yankees I know can tell the
difference between people playing a role and people who actually live
it and distinguish between the two when appropriate.  They don't think
that their "twisted adolescent fantasies" is superior to those of
other people.  (Maybe we'll see a discussion of the superiority of the
preppie, or even the preppie posers.)  They've even figured out that
"all inner-city blacks just sit around eating watermelon and waiting
for govt checks" is no different from other ignorant stereotypes, such
as the example provided above.

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:36:43 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      say three hail marys and six our fathers

okay, we forgive you, carl.  i thought i'd issue a comprehensive list of
mortal and venial sins and their relative penance, just for those of you
who were wondering:

sending a message to the list that is
meant for listserv                            3 hail marys, 6 our fathers

no opinion on shoes                           six weeks of ccd

saying mean things about my hair              novena, with candles and all

details of your lunch                         12 hours of community service

posting on abortion issues                    have to read them all

gratuitous use of latin                       listserv will ship you the
                                              jay steven sultan back catalogue

insufficient reverence at use of
name "larry stimely"                          listserv will ship you the
                                              stimely back catalogue

conflation of "consequently" &
"subsequently"                                 three week training course with
                                               jamie dreier


don't say you weren't warned.
                             * * * anneliese "tantum ergo makes your hair grow"
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:51:24 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: from the battered wives

Re: the "not" symbols

I didn't accuse Tim of tying up Boy Scouts on sailboats; I know Tim
wouldn't do such a thing.  Now if it were Girl Scouts, he might, in
order to get more cookies (I know people who would kill for more
Thin Mints).

Evelyn
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:45:00 EDT
From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      the gipper saves the night from being sank by the loose buchanan

Well, I didn't watch all of the first night of the convention, as I was
switching between it and the Lions game, but I did catch Buchanan's speech
and Reagan's speech.

After Buchanan's speech, I was asking myself 'and that's his *tame* speech?'
Bush is probably lucky the crowd didn't start chanting 'Sig Heil' or something.
There's no doubt Buchanan's a good speaker, but I have to wonder why they
let him on prime time with a speech that's sure to alienate middle-of-the-
road voters and moderate Republicans.  Not only did he manage to denounce
homosexuality as 'perversion' and push his 'judeo-christian-values-no-other-
religious-groups-need-apply' views, but he railed against inclusion of women
in the armed services, something that will surely invite these women to defend
their abilities and embarass Bush.  And Sue thought Jesse Jackson blew it!

Then came Reagan's speech, which was as good as Buchanan's was nasty.  He's
older, and his voice is a bit weaker, but he still gives good speech, and
even though a good portion of his speech either echoed other speakers
buzzwords or speeches past, he pulled it off.  Damned if I can remember what
he said, though.  Maybe I should have taped it.  At any rate, this speech more
than countered Buchanan's, and may have saved the night for the Republicans
(maybe I'm just imagining things, but Barbara Bush seemed to have a horrified
look on her face at least twice, when the cameras were on her, and Buchanan
was speaking.  The only time she smiled was when Pat complimented George.)

Next: night two.  I predict the same buzzwords from the night before ('slick',
'didn't inhale', 'masquerade ball', and 'trust') will make appearances again,
with the same painful lack of subtlety in placement.  I swear, it's like
someone got a hold of the final drafts of the speeches and stapled standardized
reference cards to them...the Democrats were paragons of smoothness compared
to this...

Gary W. Olson                 "Save me, save me from tomorrow,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   I don't want to sail with this ship of fools."
78 days and counting down...   - World Party, "Ship of Fools"
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:45:26 -0500
From:         GAYLA BASSHAM <BASGD@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Romantic Tragedy of the Electorate, Part II

>And she's remembering how great things were, how much he used to mean
>to her, how strong and dependable she knows he can be.  And she's
>noticing that the gleam in the handsome stranger's eye might not
>be the real thing she'd hoped it was.  And that he has something of
>a shady past.  And that her life, if she ran off with him, might
>be not just more exciting, but more insecure.  And she's wondering
>if things really could be the same again, if she gave George another
>chance.

>And George stands there and sets his jaw and pledges to protect her,
>to comfort her, to stand by her, and to work to make both their lives
>better than they have been.  And he tells her that now it's up to
>her.

>And she's thinkin' about it.

And while she's thinkin', she remembers other things, things that George
would like her to forget.  How he was never home when she needed him.  How
his eyes always seemed to wander to other women (like Iraq, and Panama, and
Russia, and Asia, and . . . ).  How she could never get him to help out around
the house.  And she knows that the handsome stranger will take care of *her*
problems, not everyone else's.

>But what about Ross?  What if he comes back?

>Should she stay or should she go?

>She's thinkin' about it.................

>[..to be continued.....]

>--Missy P 2 B

-----Gayla
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:17:38 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      More on chatter....

(say it quickly)

>     BTW 2) - anneliese, if the visit was really that bad, I have other
>     friends in Minneapolis and we don't have to see each other again.
>     It's your call.
>Dave

  Oh geeze, kids.  Can't you keep your marital problems off
the list?  Thanks.

  And by the way, I just had a superb lunch.  Really great.
Peanut butter and jelly.

  And I did a little plumbing on the house the other night.
You know how that goes.  What a money sink.

                 -Tim"how sweet..."J
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:21:49 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the vanilla coalition

>Throwing a tantrum and saying "It's my ball
>and you have to let me pitch or I'll cry and go home" is not leadership.

A majority in Congress can block anything.  Therefore, they can just
say no, but if they do, it is the president's fault?

>If we are going to address corruption in government as demos writing bum
>checks, shouldn't we also discuss lying to congress, the HUD scandal, and
>misuse of perks such as jet escort to stamp trading conventions and golf
>outings?

We have discussed those issues.  The adminstration figures are already
out of govt jobs and some are either in jail or on trial.  We'll see
how many Demos lose their jobs over this one.

If the voters don't turn out significant numbers of those demos, we
know, using the standard that Fred has proposed, that they don't care
about corruption.  If that happens, applying Fred's standard would
justify a "okay, so there's no point in hassling administration
figures over similar things", and we even have an examples of
"similar".

Rockthrowers living in glass houses....

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:27:40 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bush Interviewed On Atheism
              21 Aug 1992 10:35:49 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU>

Kerry:

I don't care what you were taught in Civics 101.  Gary is right
about "separation of church and state."  I knew that even when I
was an atheist.  Sorry to disillusion you.

--Missy P 2 B
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