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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Big 8 schedule
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.181643.1478@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.180710.20113@Arco.COM>, mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM
>(Mike Minihan) writes: 
>> 
>> For what its worth, Beano Cook has OU 3rd in the nation. That makes
>> me feel good, but I just don't see it. One has to take Beano with a
>> grain of salt.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
>-- 
>	If I were you, I would take that prediction with more than a grain of
>salt.  Beano (the Kiss of Death) Cook couldn't pick a winner if he had to.  I
>remember that in 1988, after the Gators got off to a 5-0 start and had just
>beaten LS(who) in front of a national TV audience (CBS with Brent Mouseburger),
>Beano went ahead and predicted that the Gators would win the National
>Championship.  Of course, the Gators promptly lost the next four games,
>including a home loss to Memphis State and a road loss to Vandy.  Emmitt Smith
>even suffered his only injury as a Gator in the game following this prediction. 
>	Sometimes, Beano predicts the right winner, but that is because he
>changes his predictions throughout the year.  If Beano picks your team at the
>beginning of the season, it stands to chance that by the end of the season
>he'll be picking someone else (and not mentioning who he picked at the start of
>the season).
>--
>	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|                                                                          |
>|                      --- I bleed orange and blue  ---                    |
>|                              --Gators in '92!--                          | 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as to give any of Beano's predictions or anything
else he says for that matter, a whole grain of salt. I don't know if it's
even worth a single molecule of salt. The thing that has me completely
puzzled is how does he manage to keep his job? He is a prime example of why
you shouldn't take drugs. And his running mate for the "Just say no to Drugs"
poster boy campaign has to be Mel Kiper Jr. I can't believe anyone would waste
a nickel to read what that bozo has to say. Anyone who follows college football
knows who the best pro prospects are, and anyone who follows pro ball knows what
teams need for personnel. Mel Kiper Jr gets paid to be a master of the obvious,
gosh I'm envious. Anyway, opinion mode off for now.


John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: PSU-BYU game
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 05:42:11 GMT

In article <21AUG199218002505@perkin.caltech.edu> hunter@tacos.caltech.edu (TODD HUNTER) writes:
>Can any Cougar fans tell me if the Oct. 31st game is sold out?
>If so, what are the chances of finding people selling tickets
>outside the stadium on game day? (I've never been to a game in Provo.)
>
>Please email to hunter@tacos.caltech.edu
>
>Thanks
>



	I hate BYU as everybody does at the University of Utah.  Therefore,
the following information is not for Cougar fans but for Nittany Lions only.


	PENN STATE CLUB OF UTAH may still have some tickets for PSU fans.
You may have to be a member in order to buy tickets.  For more info, call


			President Rich Kirby      
			(801) 393-4217
			(801) 863-5316 (w)


Good luck to you and PSU.


JLI
From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami vs. Washington
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:12:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug19.091238.4761
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

subject line says it all.  the two teams have agreed to a home and home
series to start in 1994 in miami.



-- 
-Richard
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Northwestern vs ND
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:24:22 GMT

>Does anyone have any information about the ND - Northwestern
>game at Soldier field this year.  In particular, what time is
>kick-off, are tickets available yet, and if so, how much are they?
>
or better yet, do they give you a barf bag at the door?  :-)
however, I do have to admire your love for the game..  

cmuck

ps- Northwestern by 10  <- you heard it here first... 
    Some one pinch me and wake me up!!
From: bill@ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue News
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:51:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue

It looks like Mat Pike will be the statring QB for Purdue.
Eric Hunter had shoulder surgery yesterday and will be out
for at least 4 weeks. Then the time went up to 6 weeks last
night on the news? Pike was going to red shirted. Colleto
mentioned yesterday that there is a chance for Hunter to be
red shirted instead so he would still have a full year.

No word on Rogers grades.



Bill Drake   -   bill@ecn.purdue.edu

47 Ford Club Coupe////454/AT/3:00////  the "Fat Rat"
69 Camaro convertible////327/AT/2:73
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From: hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: UW Information Systems
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:32:48 GMT


> 
> The point I was making was that 'certain people keep woofing about how
> Washington would have stomped BYU had they played in '84, thus Washington
> deserved the MNC more than BYU'.  The closest reference to Washington
> playing BYU in '84 was the beginning of the '85 season, and the result was
> in BYU's favor.  Thus since Washington didn't play BYU in '84 no one can
> reasonably claim that they would have beat them.  
>  

Yes '85 is the "closest reference," but "closest reference" is meaningless.  I never once stated that BYU didn't deserve the MNC in '84, in fact my original post "Schedule Determines #1" makes the point that polls don't consider strength of schedule, thus the team(s) with the best record usually win the MNC.  What I am curious about is how the preseason polls are constructed.  Do preseason pollsters make their picks by team strength or by a team's predicted finish.  I would say that the initial polls are b




ased on team strength and the final polls are based on record and margin of victory. 

I guess, Diana, when your team plays in the WAC, you have to grasp at "closest reference" straws to feel warm inside.  I like to use the "closest reference" theory too, but only in spelling. :^)

-Brian
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Hotel to stay at for Sept 12 Mich @ ND Game
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:19 EST  

In article <J1d-3_#@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes...
>>I'm going to be travelling to South Bend for the Annual ND/Mich game. I wanna
>>see what happens this year after I got to see Mich beat ND last year.
>>
>Notre Dame and Michigan is not an annual game. Their contract runs out
>in 1993 or 1994....I don't think it has been extended or anything.

Those CHICKENS!!!


R Dendy
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:45:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug20.214530.20775
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Mark Mitchell wrote :
>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) wrote:
>
>}How about even a close game against a IA Top 25 team (outside of the ACC)?
>Ruling out games involving the ACC (for your own asinine reasons) eliminates
>virtually every other game in the past 10 years between top 25 I-A teams
>and top 5 teams from I-AA, since the ACC is the only top league which
>regularly schedules them.  (The top 5 I-AA teams generally come from 
>the Southern Conference, the Big Sky, the Gateway, and independents.)
> 
>}How about a list of IAA members who have beaten IA teams with winning records?
>
>The *only* reasons the top teams in I-AA don't score victories over top 25
>teams occaisionally are that (1) every game is played at the I-A team's home
>field and (2) there are very few such games in the first place.
> 
>}Yeah, I'll put a Top 5 IAA team against a Top 25 IA team any day of the week,
>}too, but they're going to lose.
>
>Prove it.  Cite an example on a neutral field or at the I-AA team's home field.
>Or at least give us some tiny shred of evidence upon which your opinion is
>founded.

Here's your tiny shred.
Last year IA teams went 35-5 against IAA teams.  The IAA wins were :
	Appalachian State 17 	Wake Forest 3
	Citadel 20		Army 14
	William & Mary 26	Navy 23
	Delaware 29 		Navy 25
	NE Louisiana 21		SWLousiana 10

These 5 IAA teams all had at least 7 wins.  So lets call a Quality IAA team
a IAA team with 7+ wins.

Quality IAA teams went 5-14 last year against IA teams, being outscored by an
average margin of 27-15.  The 5 wins are posted above, the losses below :

	Clemson 34		App. State (8-3) 0
	Florida State 39	Middle Tennessee (8-3) 10
	Georgia Tech 19		Furman (7-4) 17
	NCState 15		Marshall (8-3) 14
	Virginia Tech 41	James Madison (8-3) 12
	Wisconsin 31		W. Illinois (7-3-1) 13
	Cincinnati 30 		Middle Tennessee (8-3) 10
	Louisiana Tech 21	Montana (8-3) 11
	Louisiana Tech 35	NE Louisiana (7-3-1) 10
	Louisiana Tech 48 	Southern Illinois (7-4) 16
	Louisville 24		Eastern Kentucky (10-1) 14
	Alabama 53		Tennessee-Chatt. (7-4) 7
	Auburn 32		Georgia Southern (7-4) 17
	Air Force 48 		Weber State (8-3) 31

This argument was more about the top IAA teams against good IA teams.  So 
throwing out sub-.500 IAA teams wipes out all 5 IAA wins, plus wins by 
VaTech, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Louisville, and Alabama.

That leaves 9 games between quality IAA teams and IA teams with >5 wins.
The IA teams were 9-0 in these games with an average score of 35-13.
Computer rankings estimate home field advantage as being worth no more than 
a touchdown.  The only games of these 9 which were decided by less than 10 
points were those involving NCState and GaTech.  Surprise!

GT
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:36:58 GMT
	<1992Aug13.163741.7301@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Aug13.194655.28125@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<1992Aug13.213119.9692@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


Um, maybe Daina was intentionally reversing the ia in "Brian" to
poke fun at Brian doing the same thing to Daina's name...

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                    ect. is meaningless; etc. == et cetera

  "Oh my God!  I shot my eye out!"  (Ralphie Parker, in "A Christmas Story")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Top QBs in the Game
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:13:01 GMT

Joel D Alvstad (alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu) wrote:
: Go ahead and call me dumb for saying this, but as a fan of Big 10 football,

OK, you are dumb for saying that.   :^) 

: and a native of Minnesota, I am looking for big things out of Minnesota QB
: Marquell Fleetwood this year.  It looks like Coach Wacker has really had a
: positive effect on him, just by showing confidence in his abilities.  Sure
: the Gophers have been the Goofs for a few years, but keep in mind they had a
: shitty coach in Gutekunst, their ENTIRE offensive line was injured at one point
: last season, and Fleetwood wasn't getting much help from the rest of the team
: (i.e. the running game).

As I've sat here listening to all you Minnesota fans (yes, all 3 of you) talk
about how Wacker is going to turn your program around, I've been trying to
just bite my lip and let it go.  But I can't take it anymore, I just have to
warn you...

As a resident of the DFW metroplex, I was submitted to Wacker's babbling
almost constantly on the local news.  It gets real old, real quick. 
Every year will be the year that his team is going to win the championship.
TCU would start out 4-1/5-1 against people like Rice, SMU, UNLV, Ball St.,
etc., then end up 4-7/5-6 because they had to finish against Arkansas,
Texas, Texas A&M, Houston, Baylor, TTech, etc.  Then, he always had some
kind of excuse (injuries, fan support, or something).

Well, around here, nobody could understand why Minnesota would go after
him...  But I, for one, am glad he is gone so I don't have to listen to
him anymore.

p.s. Have you guys heard him say "Unbeeeeelievable!!" yet? Just wait...

: 
: Joel Alvstad
: St. Olaf College
: Northfield, MN
: alvstad@stolaf.edu
: 
: No, I'm not saying that Marquell is one of the best, I'm just saying that this
: year he's going to have a respectable season...
: 
: 
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University

In article <65887@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) blathers:
>}was meant to be FSU, but FSU didn't have the money to travel out to Seattle
>}when the schedule was being made 3-5 years ago.
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

HAhahaha...

Gee, Mark, what's wrong?

David (The althetics department is getting sick of me calling them over this
issue) Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami vs. Washington
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:29:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug19.202915.10650
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug19.091238.4761@beaver.cs.washington.edu> rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito) writes:
>subject line says it all.  the two teams have agreed to a home and home
>series to start in 1994 in miami.

The following details were printed in the 8/18 issue of the Seattle Times:

	Football games between Washington and Miami, co-national
	champions last season, have been arranged for 1994 and
	1998, Dave Maggard, Hurricane athletic director, said
	today.  "I think we're OK.  We're ready to do it and make
	the announcement," Maggard said.

	The games would be played at Miami in 1994 and at Husky
	stadium in 1998.  The matchup is one many college football
	fans hungered for last season, when the Hurricanes and
	Huskies went undefeated and shared the national poll 
	championships.  Miami on the AP title; Washington finished
	first in the USAT/CNN coaches poll.

	This year's preseason coaches poll has the Hurricanes and
	Huskies ranked No. 1 and No. 2, respectively.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Demt. DuBose (sp?) playing
Keywords: Holtz, sit out
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:10:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug21.001047.25879
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <66489@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Of course he'll play.  Remember last year when two Notre Dame players, I
>think they were Mirer and some defensive guy, were arrested at a party.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.  Wasn't the "defensive guy" DuBose
last year?
I remember the two players as Mirer and DuBose and I was pissed at the time
that they didn't get suspended.  Any other school would have suspended their
players.  Even Miami  :)  

Oh well...

> Lou Holtz stuff deleted.

>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu


Baze
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: atchison@bagpipe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: More Bucks news
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:14:33 GMT

SG>In article <1992Aug20.135732.5476@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
DN>>In article <1992Aug19.224521.8060@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
DN>>More Buckeye news for anybody that cares -
DN>>Foster Paulk, and the backup Noseguard to Greg Smith whose
DN>>name escapes me at the moment, have been suspended by Cooper
DN>>for academic reasons.  

 -- the suspended noseguard was Therone McQueen, `a' backup noseguard, not 
    `the' backup noseguard.. not a big loss.

SG>This really hurts.  I thought this might finally be the year
SG>for the Bucks to pull together a solid defensive backfield ....
SG>at least a veteran one with some definite raw talent (Paulk). hmm ...

It hurts some, but the defensive backfield is still loaded.  Roger Harper is 
an All-B10 candidate; Chico Nelson hits harder than any Buckeye DB since
Sonny Gordon;  Bryan Cook is back from knee-rehab with lots of experience;
Tito Paul, Tim Patillo, and Marlon Kerner all saw extensive action last year.

BTW, the two have been suspended only until "they improve their grades", not
for the season.

DN>>Dante Lee has reportedly left the team and will not be 
DN>>returning.

SG>Wow! This is a shocker.  I know Dante hadn't seen much
SG>action last year at TB, but he had seen alot of action
SG>at flanker ... and he did quite well.  Has good receiver hands.
SG>Can anyone expound on these happenings?

Dante 'left the team' with the advent of Robert Smith.  His promising flashes
from 1990 vanished into the relative obscurity of a backup flanker spot.  He
touched the ball very seldom in '91.  The '92 spring game seemed to solidify
Brian Stablein and Joey Galloway as the receivers of choice, and I don't think
Dante caught a ball.  Unless 4 or 5 receviers or 8 running backs get hurt, the
effect of his loss will be minimal as well.

SG>Also, any information on Corey Stringer (the next great OSU lineman :)) ?
SG>Does it look as though he's a prospective starter?  I think the Bucks
SG>are expecting great things from this guy.

Korey Stringer (6'6" 315lb true freshman) has been impressive in his first
week in the Scarlet and Gray.  To project him as a starter after 7 days,
however may be a bit premature.  In his own words, 
	" I feel there's a lot of people putting undue pressure on me
	  to come out and all of a sudden become the next Jim Lachey.
	  Offensive line is a position that you have to learn, and it
	  takes time."

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		The plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Football
Date: 12 Aug 1992 12:55:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

>}>-- 
>}>  Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
>}>  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
>}
>}Since you love to dwell on past history,look back to the 1970 &
>}1971 seasons where USC had back-to-back sub par seasons and then
>}put together a team in 1972 that most experts agreed was the one
>}of the greatest (if not THE greatest) college football teams EVER
>}put together. USC went 12-0,won the Rose Bowl as well as the National
>}Championship. If hisory even remotely come close on repeating itself,
>}we'll see who's "sore" this comming season! THE TROJANS ARE BACK!
>}
>}Fight on SC!
>}Valdis R. Kalejs
>
>Even though I believe its too early for the Trojans to start woofing,
>I would never sell USC short.  To give credit where it is due, USC does 
>have a history of returning from the ashes.  And not that this is worth
>anything, but BGI (Blue & Gold Illustrated - the Notre Dame football
>propaganda rag) does predict USC to beat the Irish by one this year
>at USC.  This rivalry can only increase in greatness if USC manages a
>victory.  I find it amazing that ND has been able to string together
>the number of victories over USC that it has.  What is it, 8?
>
>-Mike Noonan

Mike,

After checking the media guide, it indicates the streak is at 8. With the
progess that I've seen watching the spring scrimiages and the now ongoing
practices,things look encouraging,stay tuned for a more detailed scouting
report form the practice field. As of the rivalry itself,dont worry! Even
though USC has lost 8 straight, alot of those games were still very intense
and came down to some crucial plays and calls that could of changed the
outcome. No excuses, just the way the cookie crumbles! I'm stumped on why
ND's "propaganda rag" would make such a prediction,to maybe only piss off
the team and have something to post in their locker room. Any explainations?
Looking forward to the game this fall it looks like it will be a great one
as usual.


Fight On,
Valdis Kalejs

PS: Quote of the day: "I HATE THAT F*****G HORSE!...

(made by Ara Parsegian durning the second half come back of the 1974
 USC-ND game...)
From: therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com (Patty Therrien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Another Geography Alert
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:50:30 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Aug20.170528.4781@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>
>Or just call it what it is: The North Avenue Trade School!
>
>>ObWoof:  Go Yellowjackets!
>
>ObWoof:  How Bout Them Dawgs!
                       ^SUGAR FREE


-- 
Patricia Therrien (Patty)	 |Internet therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com
		    "Some folks see a bird's eye view  
   			  Others haven't got a clue" 
******************************************************************************
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Another Geography Alert
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:05:28 GMT

In article <Bswpwv.EA6@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.135605.15861@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>>Right on Bill don't take any crap from anyone. OU has a storied tradition of
>>success between the goal posts and will be winners again well before that
>>little ole technical college in the Okeefenokee swamp. The real reason the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hmm John.  Where are you talking about?  I don't know of any technical
>college with a division I football program within a 3 hour drive of
>the Okeefenokee swamp.  Now if you said "nestled in the foothills
>leading to the scenic mountains of beautiful North Georgia" or "along
>the banks of the historical (and smelly) Chattohoochee River" I might
>have known where you were talking about :) :)

Or just call it what it is: The North Avenue Trade School!

>ObWoof:  Go Yellowjackets!

ObWoof:  How Bout Them Dawgs!
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)