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From: zedaker@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: 52 reasons why beer is better than women
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.002230.19471@ultb.isc.rit.edu>  
amm1428@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> Can someone please re-post the 52 reasons why beer is better than women
> please? I seem to have lost it in my files.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -Anthony
***WHY NOT 52 REASONS WHY BEER IS BETTER THAN MEN?***
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Something about German "
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:06 GMT

i never heard that .. what a way to kill the beer 
those people probably have dead tastebuds and need the salt to bring it flavor .. 
or maybe they think they are drinking tequila ... 
either way its a shame 
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: boltz@chopin.psu.edu (Mark Boltz)
Subject: Pilsner (was Re: Elephant (DK)...)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:55:59 GMT

Questions asked:
   Do you know what pilsner means and where it comes from?
   Have you ever had the original Budweiser?

Yeppers!  Pilsner comes from the Czechloslovakian town of Pils, where the first
Pilsner was brewed.  And they still brew one of the best ever, Pilsner Urquell.
Mine always seemed to taste a little soapy for some reason (probably the bar
not rinsing the glasses well or something).  And yes, I have had the original
Budweiser (Budvar), from the town of Budweis/Budvar, Czechloslovakia.

And apologies for the spelling of Czechoslovakia - I know it's wrong, but I'm
not sure how to spell it right. :)

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"Buster" Boltz, Toonster Extraordinare                "...no relation"
"Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?"
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: slamb@milp.jsc.nasa.gov (Sean Lamb)
Subject: Re: Mexican and a new US Brew
Organization: I know I left it around here somewhere ... 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:52:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.110951@lugnut.Prime.COM>, harvey@lugnut.Prime.COM (Harvey Bornstein) writes:
|> Recently on a whim, I took a look at the label on a Simpatico 
|> bottle and was surprised to see that it's not a Mexican beer at
|> all but was made in IOWA!!  Maybe it's just imported by an Iowa
|> importer, but that was not indicated.  Can anyone back me up
|> on this?
|> 
|> Harvey Bornstein
|> Computervision Inc.
|> Framingham, MA 01701
Simpatico "Amber Beer" (I think is the designation on the label) is being
brewed under contract by the brewery in Dubuque, Iowa.  There has also been
some 22 0z. bottles, with the dsignation "amber ale" or just "ale"
on them too ( I think, I'd have to go the beer store and look, I need to
get some Anchor Steam and something to ward away the cold snap we're having
anyway, so I'll follow up on this).  I think the contract is from the people
who import the original Simpatico from Mexico.  I've never had the original.
Anyway, my take on this whole thing is that the importers wanted to jump on
the bastardized Vienna-style beer from Mexico band wagon (Dos Equis), so they
found a place to contract an amber lager from.  The brewery in Dubuque had
been making a great amber lager, "Rhomberg" (where's that umlat key?) for a
few years, and they thought the place would do them proud.  Well, I think the
current ownership/managment of the place is screwing the Simpatico people,
because I've tasted the Simpatico amber beer, and it was wretchedly _sour_.
I tried it twice a couple of months apart last fall.  Maybe I should try it
again, but how a commercial brewery could sell a beer with such obvious
"stability" problems is beyond me.  Anyway, the last I heard was that the
Simpatico importers were thinking about buying the brewery.  The brewery
in Dubuque has been making beer for the last 130 years, and is one of the
last 'regionals" around.

Roger Brown, any comments?


Sean Lamb (slamb@milp.jsc.nasa.gov)
From: stass@glas.apc.org (Stanislav Tambovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Russian joke
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:31:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:glas:111000002:000:159
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!stass    Nov  4 17:31:00 1992


Do you know an old russian joke about a beer addict? He comes to
the pub and asks:
-How much is a drop?
-A drop? It costs nothing.
-OK, then drop me a glass.
From: eesb2mm@dct.ac.uk (Malcolm MacArthur)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: SCOTTISH BEER
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:25:04 GMT
Organization: Dr. Fish's Answering Machine

In article <1992Nov4.154112.24790@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, gfl@hera.cc.bellcore.com (lenahan,grant f) writes:
> In article <1992Nov3.140329.1005@dct.ac.uk>, sbsb3ghh@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> YOU DONT KNOW WAT BEER IS TILL YOU'VE BEEN IN SCOTLAND.,.....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 	CRAP
> 
> My recent visit to Scotland was a "beer disappointment".  The
> ales / lagers were almost all magabreweries, kinda soda-pop
> type beers.  Very few "real ales" (cask conditioned) were 
> to be found.  One exception was Caladonian ale, but I only
> saw it three times in two weeks.  'twas a fortnight of
> Guinness for me.
> 
> Down with McEwans and Tennants.

Hear hear (And I work for Tennents too.. that's company loyalty for you!!)

> 
> Grant
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: GOOD BEER
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:29:05 GMT

<AJS149@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> I WANT TO KNOW A REALLY GOOD BEER???? ANYONE????????

Favorite ale - Red Hook           Favorite Pils - Carlsburg Elephant
Favorite stout - Sheaf Stout      Barleywine    - Bridgeport Old Knuck.
Least dreaded bar beer - Budweiser (Yep its true... crisp apple and ice
cold)

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Re: "33", What's it mean?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:10:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.041738.4189@ultb.isc.rit.edu> amm1428@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>
>
>In article <1dk3jiINNdu7@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, GRANTH@brownvm.brown.edu (Grant Hogarth) writes:
>>Actually the "33" is just an attempt to get some
>>European cachet---viz French "Trente-trois" beer. :-)
>
>
>Really???? Its been known that the "33" means how many words plus punctuation
>points like commas and periods included to equal "33".
>
>
>
>					-a avid Rolling Rock drinker...

Please, god, not again!  Sorry, no flame intended, but this topic has
been thoroughly, painfully, relentlessly beaten to death.  If the Net
Gods are in attendance, may they banish the ubiquitous "Whence the '33'?"
topic into FAQ limbo for all time.

Amen.

--Dan
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Re: a nice little drop
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <1domg2INNlkg@manuel.anu.edu.au> (Walagamemnon Beckhouse) writes:
>Her in Australia we have a nice little drop called Coopers.  Its brewed
>with all that organic stuff, and has a thick sediment on the bottom.
>
>Wal Beckhouse

Used to be able to get it up here in the Wrong Hemisphere, too.  But it
either disappeared from the shelves right around the time Tooth-Sheaf became
Sheaf Stout, or I've been going to different liquor stores since then.

Either is plausible.

--Dan
From: GRANTH@brownvm.brown.edu (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good/Inexpensive Beer (Huber Bock)
Keywords: cheap beer
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:37:04 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

As I recall from my grad school days, the cheapest "beer-like"
substance that was available around Ohio State was a fluid
called "C&A Beer".  Supposedly it was imported from Canada
(I think only the bottles were, as they were "stubbies".),
and sold for about $4.00 the 24-pack.  (in 1987-88) I must
admit that I never had the courage to try it, but it seemed
to be moderately popular (on the other hand, this was in a
college environment, where a "bucket of beer" was literally
a 5-gallon (US) rubber bucket of draft beer that you scooped out
with plastic 16oz cups.  Not exactly a class act. :-)
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: The Best Beer
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:32:42 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov4.161303.1@vax1.tcd.ie>, blucey@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
> 
> Forget Beer - Drink Guinness : No Beer ( spit, gag, retch ) Comes Near.


While agreeing that nothing beats a good pint of Guinness, drunk in
Dublin (it doesn't travel well, not even to Cork), I feel I should
point out the following:

> Anybody who drinks Theakston's Old Peculiar will end up functionally
                                           ^
> illeterate like our commentator.
     ^

It's Old Peculier and if your logic were good, he would be
illiterate. 

BTW, OP is a fine beer, full of character. It's just not Guinness.


Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Good beer in Toronto
Reply-To: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.152225.8615@ac.dal.ca>, ech@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>	I just returned from a trip to Toronto, and I was quite impressed

	{a bunch o stuff deleted}

	last time i was in toronto was labor day, and while there i tried this
stuff called Seeman's Cream Ale. It sounded like a beer that saturday night
live would use in one of their fake commercials or something. tasted like on
etoo. im not a big fan of 'cream ales.' 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: Belushi <affouj@rpi.edu>
Subject: Re: Belgian beers are best!!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:13:54 GMT

briard@dxcern.cern.ch ()) writes:


>In article <deboer.721397351@lri.jur.uva.nl>, Peter de Boer writes:

>>Let's stick to the trappist beers for a moment. There are  few in 
>>Belgium : Westmalle, Leffe, Orval, Chimay, Rochefort and Duvel.

>Duvel and Leffe are definitely NOT trappist beers. Trappists are priests (kind
>of monks) who make beer in abbey (Chimay, Rochefort, Orval,...). Their beer is
>commonly called trappist too. But Duvel and Leffe are not (even if Leffe was
>first brewed in an Abbey near Dinant (Province of Namur), but it isn't anymore).

>Francois Briard

>Belgian Technical Student at CERN (European Lab for Particle Physics)


hi.  To Be specific, the Duvel is actually classified as a Malt Liquor, though
it has the appearance of almost a pilsner, and is rather high in alcoholic 
content.  The Orval BTW is quite good, as it is triple fermented, unfiltered
and bottle conditioned.  The Chimay is excellent too, especially the Grand
Reserve, though rather costly.  

Just my $0.02

-jason

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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: **OLDEST BEER FOUND***
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:31:10 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth

In article <1992Nov7.010913.5922@wam.umd.edu> zedaker@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller) writes:

   I saw a tid-bit on the news last night that said that they found evidence  
   of beer brewing (somewhere in the fetile cresent area) from 5,000 years  
   ago.  According to the news, this is the oldest time recorded thus far.

   Pretty cool huh?

That's nothing!  I've got beer older than that in my refrigerator!  Got
to clean that thing sometime. :(.

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: 92640861s@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Something about German "
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:49:22 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland



I'm totally astonished about this news-information-system and this highly
intelligent conversation. But I've got the slight impression, that most of
the "beer conversation"-members like to drink beer but they don't know
much about "beer culture". In Germany it is very important to know how
to deal with beer, especially with good beer. For example it should always
be kept cold. 

I will continue with the beer-teaching-lessons!


Greetings from Germany and Switzerland, J. Max.
usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!master.cs.rose-hulman.edu!master.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news
From: osullida@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Declan A. OSullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: The Best Beer
Keywords: a cork man
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: osullida@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Declan A. OSullivan)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130b5.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov4.161303.1@vax1.tcd.ie> blucey@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
> In article <1992Nov3.114129.20507@black.ox.ac.uk>,  
microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Microsoc) writes:
> > Yes, I know the subject is a bit of a contoversial one (typo,  
sorry)....
> > However... would any of yo care ti (damn this editor) email me on
> > 	read%orion@ox.ac.uk
> > with ONE nomination for your all time favourite beer, and I'll complie
> > (or even compile!) a list of the most popular....
> > 
> > Just for the record, my vote goes to Theakston's Old Peculier...  
anyone
> > else agree?
> 
> 
> Forget Beer - Drink Guinness : No Beer ( spit, gag, retch ) Comes Near.
> Anybody who drinks Theakston's Old Peculiar will end up functionally  
illeterate
> like our commentator.
> 
> > 
>>Declan osullivan of university of limerick at rhit 
> Drink murphy's stout 

> > Brian Lucey
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: djohnso@staff.tc.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Cult Beer
Reply-To: djohnso@staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: CIS-WBCS
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.012530.7218@reed.edu> chart@sloth.Reed.Edu (Catherine
Maria Hart) writes:
>Anyone ever try the cultiest of cult beer?
>
>>>>> Utica Club <<<<<
>
>Give iot a shot.
>
>Any other cult beers out there?
>
>-C
>
  Well, I don't know if it qualifies as a cult favorite yet, but Pigs Eye is
pretty good for cheap beer.


Douglas B. Johnson
djohnso@staff.tc.umn.edu
West Bank Computing Services
University of Minnesota

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: andi@comet.gold.sub.org (Andreas Roemer)
Subject: Re: GOOD BEER
Organization: Unisys Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:08:33 GMT

My favorite: Veltins
Brewed in Meschede Germany, not far away from Wartein.


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From: stass@glas.apc.org (Stanislav Tambovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Info request
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:32:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:glas:111000003:000:136
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!stass    Nov  4 17:32:00 1992


Does anyone of you, beer experts, know, which brand of canned beer
contains the less of artificial substances for conservation?

-stass
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jornaa@fdh.hsf.no (Joern Aasland)
Subject: Bottle collecters!!!
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:52:15 GMT
Reply-To: jornaa@fdh.hsf.no


Hello every collectors.
I wil gladly help you out there,getting Norwgian
bottles. Just send , to my real adress, your real adress,
the number of bottles you want, and enclose postage for 
my re sendings.

Jorn.


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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: zedaker@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: Alcohol content on labels
Keywords: The Coors' Initiative
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:04:57 GMT

In article <21994@drutx.ATT.COM> bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham) writes:
> A short while ago, I seem to remember a discussion about why isn't the
> alcohol content listed on label in the U.S.  Well, I just heard on the
> radio today that Coors has gone to court and won the right to print
> alcohol content on their labels.  Coors said that the consumer has the
> right to know the alcohol content of their beer.
> 
> I wonder when we will be seeing this change, and will others follow?
> 
> BTW, when I left my house for work this morning, I could smell the
> grainy smell from the Coors brewery :-)  (I live about 10 miles
> due east.  When the wind is right...)
> --

I am glad to hear that Coors, a pretty large beer corporation if I'm not  
mistaken, has taken the initiative.  However, I have to admit that you  
would have to *pay* me to drink their beer!  

"Sit back, relax, have a homebrew!"    ---Pam
From: ech@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Attn: Nick Zentena
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:53:54 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Nick:
	I tried to mail this to you, but it bounced.  I have a friend who
gets his feed off canrem.COM, but I have to mail him at "canrem.uucp!..."
Anyway, this is the message I tried to mail you.
	Ed

{
Agreed, wellington does make good beer.  At C'est What they had wellington
on tap, the good old british style tap where you have to physically pump
the beer up.  They've come a long way since they had their product in those
boxes (like the wine boxes) about 7 years ago.  The beer I mentioned was
in fact Waterloo dark.  Keep an eye out for it.  My wife loved it too.

        Ed
}

Xref: sparky alt.beer:6667 rec.crafts.brewing:6603 rec.antiques:1480
From: walter@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Brewing Chemist Brian Walter)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.antiques
Subject: Beer Can Collecting Info
Keywords: Cans Beer Brew-ha Homebrew
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:26:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.antiques
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Howdy!

	I'm looking for some information.  I have recently aquired
a beer can collection (700 + cans :-)  I have a lot of multiples, and
am looking to start trading soon.  BUT, I need to know what the cans
are worth before I can do this.  So, my query is, does anyone know of
a book or magazine which contains up to date information on the worth
and origin of different beer cans?  

	I would appreciate personal e-mail, but feel free to post as
well.  I don't get to play on USENET much, so email is more efficient.

Thanks,

-Brian

Brian J Walter            |Science, like nature, must also be tamed|  Relax,
Chemistry Graduate Student|with a view towards its preservation.   |Don't Worry
Colorado State University |Given the same state of integrity, it   |  Have A
walter@lamar.colostate.edu|will surely serve us well. -N. Peart    | Homebrew!

Brian J Walter            |Science, like nature, must also be tamed|  Relax,
Chemistry Graduate Student|with a view towards its preservation.   |Don't Worry
Colorado State University |Given the same state of integrity, it   |  Have A
walter@lamar.colostate.edu|will surely serve us well. -N. Peart    | Homebrew!
From: kpapai@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:44:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix

In <cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron) writes:
>Today, I tried what I think is a new brew from one of my favorite
>domestics, Sierra Nevada.  It was called a 'Celebration Ale'.
>Direct from the label:
>	Special beers made for the winter season, have been a
>	tradition in the "old world" for centuries.  To honor
>	this tradition, the Sierra Nevada Brewing Company has
>	made it's own unique brew called "Celebration Ale".
>Quite tasty, and no bitter aftertaste!  It was probably a little
>too cold to be perfect, but all in all, and excellent brew.  I
>suggest to all to at least give it a try.  It was only $1.59 a
>bottle, and that's at Manhattan's outrageous prices.

I agree. Celebration Ale is one of my fave beers.  It is not a new beer,
but one that Sierra Nevada begins brewing around Oct 5.  They brew it for
2 to 3 months.  Same time every year.  I believe it is the only beer
that S.N. dry hops.  I bought a case of it 2 days ago for $28.00.  Well
worth it I guess.  It was bottled on Oct. 15 and you are supposed to keep
chilled.  I hope my frig will expand since I would like a bottle or two
to Celebrate with next summer!  Any suggestions?

I am glad to see that Celebration Ale has made it all the way out to
the east coast already.  I live in S.F. Bay area and didn't think
that it could make it to NYC so fast.  I hope your beer & wine stores
are keeping it cold.  Also, look for Anchor's Xmas beer soon: they
usually do some sort of spice ale, last year it was the Excellent
Spruce Beer.  Yummm!!!

Ken Papai
Sunnyvale, CA.
MerchanTec International
From: Delano.Dugarm@f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Delano Dugarm)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Belgian beers are best!!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:41:00 -0500

EW>From: wilgenho@lri.jur.uva.nl (Erik Wilgenhof)
....
EW>Let's start a discussion about the Trappist, the Kriek or heavenly
EW>fluids like the Verboden Vrucht! (Thats forbidden fruit for all you
EW>non Dutchers!).

        I've spent some time in Belgian (one particularly memorable trip 
was after 7 nearly beerless months in the Soviet Union) and I was always 
amazed by the variety of beer there.  Here in the U.S. some Belgian beers 
(especially the Trappists) are available, but they are very expensive, and 
often not too fresh.  But that's why I started homebrewing.
        Verboden Vrucht, though, is unavailable here in the U.S.  The 
story goes (I don't know that this is true, but it's quite believable), 
that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms refused an import 
permit because of the label, a pastiche of a Renaissance painting of a 
naked Eve offering a naked Adam . . . a big old chalice of beer (Verboden 
Vrucht, I assume).  Great beer, though.

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From: CXO105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: GOOD BEER
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:47:58 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

FELLOW PENN STATER, GO TO ZENO'S AND TRY ANCHOR STEAM, YOU'LL
LOVE IT.
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