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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:11:03 GMT

In <92233.47873.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>Recently I was lunging my mare in a small circle preparing to mount up
>when a dog wandered in her general vicinity. I know she had been watching
>him for a while but she never broke stride or showed any real interest until
>he got very near her (3-4'). The dog was not acting aggressive; just stupid
>in wandering so close to a trotting horse. Anyway, when he got close, she
>arched her neck, and lifted her front feet and struck out at him!
[stuff deleted]

My mare also likes to attack dogs, and sometimes cats.  When I first got her
years ago, an unfortunate barn cat jumped into her manger while she was eating
grain.  Before you could say "nine lives," Misty grabbed the cat in her teeth
and flung him against the wall! The cat was unhurt, but learned to stay away.
Where I'm boarding her now, the owners' obnoxious collie likes to chase the
horses.  The others bolt, but Misty lets him get close and then goes for him,
but usually just with her teeth.  The farm dogs that used to "greet" us on
rides were also fair game. Misty's new colt has also learned that it's fun
to chase the dog around the pasture. 

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:13:00 GMT

My mare has the kind of flaking that's been described on her chest.
But in HER case I think it really is a reaction to the fly spray
I tend to double dose her chest with.  At least when I DON'T
spray the fly stuff on, the scaling goes away--and I haven't washed
her with betadine or anything else.  This isn't to minimize what
MAY be a more serious (fungus) problem--only to suggest that you 
need to assess your own situation.

Sherron
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:54:15 EDT
From: <CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: horse for lease in Pa.

I'm looking for an experienced rider to half-lease or full-lease my 20-yr-old b
ut still spunky and spirited Morab mare. I live in State College, Pa., (Penn
State) and she is boarded at a stable near Stormstown, about a 15-min. drive
away. I have two horses and no time to ride both, don't want to sell her, need
someone to share expenses. She has been a good trail horse (did a 30-mile comp-
etitive ride in '83; 2nd in novice division) and has had some dressage train-
ing. Needs someone who appreciates a spirited but responsive horse. I had a
friend leasing her when I lived in Indiana but haven't found anyone out here. C
ost would be $50 (half-lease) or $100, full lease. Nice stable with indoor,
outdoor arenas, access to trails. Also have a pretty good instructor coming
there fairly regularly who can teach dressage/hunter-jumper. Mare would be
available to take lessons on. Is there anyone out there in central Pa., who
would like to ride this nice horse (you'll need a saddle)? Give me a call at
814-234-4359 (home) or 814-863-1275 (work) or message me at mqw5@psuadmin.
---Mary Ann Whitley. (This message is being posted under my husband's logon
as I do not have access to the eques. net via my office, although I do have
e-mail). If your message does not get thru, please call. Thanks. P.S. That
price is monthly -- neglected to say that.
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: black quarter horses
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:39:42 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <2234@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:
> 
> I wish I could send color cards over the net :-)
> 
> But is there any netable information on how to tell if
> a quarter horse is a "true" black? A friend of mine is
> trying to straighten out the registration on his mare.
> 
> She has been bred to a black stallion and had black
> babies. But I understand black is dominant? So that
> doesn't count? Right now she is sun bleached. The tips 
> of her hair have gone kind of gold. But other than
> that she is pretty much the same color all over.
> 
> Any hints?
> Thanks.
> 
> 

All of the hairs in a true black horse are black.  As far as the AQHA is
concerned, a black horse with any bay hairs, usually around the eyes, muzzle,
and flanks is brown.  Same with TB's.  I have two that are black, except the
muzzle on one and the flanks and muzzle on the other and they are reg. as
dark bay or brown on the TB (Jockey Club) papers.

Leigh

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re: Bits
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:47:58 GMT

>
>When a horse puts their nose in the air the way you describe that is
>an obvious evasion to a bit or headgear devise that is hurting the
>horse in some way.  As with head tossing the head gear or bit should
>be changed (or the horse should have some dentistry done as teeth
>sometimes causes pain).  

Be carefull here.  A horse will toss his nose, sometimes his head, simply to evade
working.  The bit or head gear does not have to be causing discomfort.  I have a 
lovely bit, that my horse and I get along with beautifully (found through trial
and error).  That does not mean that when she is in a mood, she won't toss her head.
Especially when I ask for slow and she wants to run like a race horse.  I apply
pressure and she flips her nose trying to free her head of the bit, because she
doesn't want to go slow.  If she continued to flip her head, I would question the
bit or the bridle, but insistence brings her head down, and slows her.  After that,
she nashes her teeth in disgust, but no head flipping.  So, watch the assumption
that a horse flipping it's head is in pain.  If the horse always does it, it might be
the bit or gear.  If the horse does it now and then, it's probably evasion.  Like I
metnioned before, trial and error.  Give a different bit a try, just in case, but
don't be confused if it doesn't help.  

Christine Mills

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:56:00 GMT

In article <92233.47873.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes...
>in wandering so close to a trotting horse. Anyway, when he got close, she
>arched her neck, and lifted her front feet and struck out at him! I don't
>think her back raised up more than an inch and she just moved on in her
>circle right after that. The dog layed down, unhurt.

> Has anyone seen this kind of reaction in their horses?

I have SEVERAL horses that think it is jolly fun to chase stray dogs from the
pasture. My ex-stallion is the only one that appears to be hostile at all
though. Most of the youngsters are more interesting in "tasting" the dog or
cat than in pulverizing it while the older horses enjoy the chase more.

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: elainel@cco.caltech.edu (Elaine E. Lindelef)
Subject: black or bay?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:11:36 GMT

There are two different forms of black found in horses: jet black and
fading black. A jet black horse is black over his entire body, and
will remain that way regardless of sun exposure. A "fading black" is
usually born a mousey grey/brown color which darkens to black. Fading
blacks will lighten with exposure to sunlight. The gene that causes
jet black is rare in most breeds, though it is common in Shetland Ponies
and Tennessee Walkers.

To tell a black horse from a dark bay, look at the hairs on the face,
especially around the muzzle. A black horse will have black hairs on the
face, even if other areas on his body have faded, while most bays will
have some tell-tale brown hairs near the muzzle.

Jet black supercedes bay, while bay supercedes fading black. (Different
loci are involved, so "dominant" isn't really the right word.)

For a thorough discussion, I recommend "Equine Genetics & Selection
Procedures," from Equine Research, Inc, and/or 
"Horse Color," by D. Phillip Sponenberg and Bonnie V. Beaver, published
by Texas A & M University Press.

Elaine Lindelef

eel@alta.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: bit suggestions wanted
Summary: the choice between using severe bits and other pieces of tack
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:01:31 GMT

The martingale has the advantage in that it will help keep his head lower and encourage him to flex onto the bit.. thus enhancing the action of the bit and lessening your need to haul on his mouth.
If he is blind in one eye you might find that part of the reason he charges when in company is that he is trying to a)stay with the other horses and b)trying to see whats happening.....


Amanda MacKinnell

and Christy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Irish - small horse, so what ? (Re: more olympics)
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 19:12:46 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

The only reason I glory in the accomplishments of small horses--aside of the
fact that I am only 5' tall--is the over-emphasis on the size of horses in the
current English riding world. Here in the NYC metro area almost the first thing
people want to talk about is how big their horse is. So I root for the little
guys, own three of them, and intend to breed Connemaras to increase the
number of good little ones around.
                                  Bliss
From: cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: New horse, new owner?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:31:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

Hi everyone!!
I'm fairly new to the net but have been reading it for awhile.  Since this
is my first posting, please bear with me as far as general unfamiliarity
with the system.  

Anyway, a little background.  I rode for about 9 years at a stable here in
Spokane, WA, mostly hunt seat, a little Western.  For the last 2 or 3 years
I showed one of my instructor's horses who came from the track (fun fun fun!)
For the last 4 years of that, I had my own horse, just a horse, breed unknown.
(Funny how as the years go by, he gets better and better in the stories.) 
Finally, after more years than I care to count, I am back into it!!  I started
back at the same stable (first lesson was even on the horse I used to show,
he's MUCH calmer now, surprise.)  Now, as you all can probably believe, I'm
hooked!!!

Now, I have a chance to buy a 5 month old QH/TB filly.  I have weighed the pros
and cons of such a young horse, and I am convinced that that is the way I want
to go.  My question (as of exactly this time of day, I know I'll have more by
the next hour)  Is about an "appendix" registry.  Apparently, I could register
her this way, and with enough "points" she could be upgraded to regular reg-
istry.  I don't know (and was hoping for some of that net wisdom) what kind of
information I would have to have about the sire and dam in order to do this.  
Do I have to do a blood test (I mean on the horse, not me)?  And finally, 
where do I write or call to initiate this?  Any ideas on an approximate cost?

I haven't even seen this horse yet, but I go to meet her tonight.  I plan to 
have her checked by a vet familiar to me if I like her, and hopefully will
end up with a nice little horse.  Wish me luck.

Colleen Cicarelli
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses - CO2 pistol?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:00:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug19.182138.14727@cube.handheld.com> vls@cube.handheld.com (Vern Stant) writes:
>
>I may be "flame bating" here, but I have had a horse kick my horse
>and I have had dogs try to bite him. So far, he has been very good
>but a girl I know has a knee brace because a dog bit her horse.
>The horse tossed its head and she lost the reigns. The dog (she
>said this is true..) got the reigns and the horse freaked. She
>tried her emergency dismount but ripped the tendons in a knee.
>I personally feel helpless in this situation and bought a CO2
>pistol. It makes more noise than I thought it would so I guess
>I'll have to desensitize George, but I gotta do something. I
>love horses and dogs but... Any thoughts?
>--

You need a horse like my Rickie!  With the single exception of the
Rottweiler who chased him down the high street once having emerged without
warning, Rickie has managed to convince every dog he has met on the road
that he is fiercer than they are.  Cattle and sheep dogs in particular will
soon change their mind when half a ton of iron-shod horse flesh appears
to be coming straight at them, carrying a threatening sounding madwoman
waving her arms at them.  Most freeze and change their minds hurriedly :-)
Once I managed to get surrounded by a pack of three dogs on the road, and 
was so incensed at their behaviour (can you imagine what a child on a 
nervous pony might have gone through?) that I 'attacked' each dog in turn.
Each of the dogs changed it's mind sharpish when Rickie's hooves reached 
within an inch or two if their heads, and I ended up chasing the three of
them back down the track to their owners house, accompanied by loud curses
from me.  I'm not sure quite what the owner thought when he saw me 
gallping madly down his track screaming at them, but that's his problem :-)

Esther,
Rickie, 
Mari and baby Non - off to a show tomorrow - wish us luck!
-- 
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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Update on bit suggestions wanted
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:10:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In Article 8305 in rec.equestrian marsh@cs.cornell.edu 
	(Dorothy Marsh) writes:


>After talking with a past owner who owned him and rode him
>extensively for 8 years, I have some new things to try.
>The first thing is a mechanical hackamore.  It turns out
>that he was ridden almost exclusively, all his life, with
>one and is quite happy on it, although he still has a bit of a
>head tossing problem with it also.  I think a lot of 
>Danny's head tossing is a learned thing.  He doesn't
>do it unless he's resisting stopping, turning, etc.

	You might want to have his teeth checked by a qualified
equine dentist, or a vet who has a great deal of interest in
dentistry (most do not have the interest), sometimes these
problems are caused by tooth problems way back in the mouth.
Commonly a cap (deciduous tooth) that hasn't been shed properly
or hooks.  They can sometimes give rise to the symptoms you describe.

>To counteract the
>head tossing and loss of control while he does it, I'm
>also riding him with a tie down (I can see the flames
>rising now, but I think it's really going to work with him).

	A good idea.  Something else I wouldn't ordinarily suggest
but might be of use in this case is a running martingale.

>It's adjusted properly and doesn't interfere at all unless
>he tosses his head seriously.  

	Good.

>Danny is really a nice guy, and has a super personality.
>     Dorothy

	Sounds like a great horse.

				Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses - CO2 pistol?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:24:02 GMT


-- 
            >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<
               "No .sig file is better than this one."
(Quotation changed daily.  If you've seen this one before, it's still yesterday.)
From: C20211@prime-a.plymouth.ac.uk (John Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Miltons breeding
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com


    Tracy Scheinkman wrote  (some time ago I admit :-) ) :

      > I am very interested in finding out what breed the British show jumper,
      > Milton, is?  <stuff deleted> ... he strikes me as possibly having some
      > Irish Draught or Irish Hunter in him, or another distant possibility is
      > that he might have some Andalusian blood or some Arabian blood.

    Last weekend (saturday) I went to the British Warmblood Society (BWBS) mare
    grading for the select stud book. It was one of the best 'shows' I've been
    to in a very long time, and was really good to see the different warmblood
    types. I was particularly pleased to see that two Holstein mares were the
    Champion and Reserve champion of the 3 year olds. I've liked the look of
    Holsteins for a while; they seem quite powerful, but also very 'elegant'.

    Anyway, prior to the show I borrowed back a book of mine from a friend
    about Warmbloods - sort of 'homework' so I'd know what I'm looking at :-)
    I knew that Milton had some sort of warmblood history, so I had a quick
    look to see if it mentioned him. I couldn't find much about the dams side,
    but there was some info about his sire.

    Miltons sire was Marius who was an ungraded warmblood. Marius was sired by
    Marco Polo, a dutch graded Trakhener, who was himself sired by Poet, a
    Thoroughbred graded into a warmblood stud book.
    It seems that the sire of Marius's dam (work that one out!) was Sinaeda,
    who also appears in Nick Skelton Apollo's history. Sinaeda was sired by
    Camillus, a dutch graded 3/4 Groningen and 1/4 Oldenburg, and his (Sinaeda)
    dam was Morgenster, a Holstein.
    Milton himself is unregistered. And now for the picture...


                                                 --  Poet (XX)
                                       Marco    |
                                    -- Polo  ---|
                                   |   (Trak)   |                --  Camillus
                                   |             --  ?          |   (Gron/Old)
                       -- Marius --|                            |
                      |            |             --  Sinaeda  --|
                      |            |            |               |
             Milton --|             --   ?   ---|               |
                      |                         |                --  Morgenster
                      |                          --  ?                (Holst)
                       --  ?


    As you can see Milton has quite a mixture in him! Apologies for any
    inaccuracies, but this is how Miltons history seemed to work out.

    John,
    Plymouth, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: First Horse
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:09:12 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <EeZHSyq00WBLM3unUY@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I just purchased a 1 1/2 registered quarter horse, Touch of Elegance,
> Ellie for short, for my daughter.   She has a very bad habit of
> rearing and we have started using the chain around her upper nose
> attached to the lead rope.  Is there any other options available.  I
> realize we will have a lot of work to do with her, but she really is
> spoiled and also kicks alot.  I got it in the stomach the other night
> after she had reared at the sight of the killer wheelbarrow and then 
> turned and kicked me (I don't think she was aiming for me, just a
> lucky shot).  Thanks in advance.

I'm going to sound a little harsh here but I would rather warn you than have
to worry about your injuries......

GET RID OF THIS HORSE!!!   This is not a safe first horse.  This horse can
easily kill or permanently injure either you or your daughter.  From your
post it is hard to tell if you are saying the horse is 1 1/2 or not.  A young
horse is a VERY bad bet for a first horse.  Get a safe, sane older horse,
preferably over the age of ten, and a gelding.  

Also, a kicker is dangerous.  My very dearest friend is a semi-invalid, in
constant pain from multiple injuries due to being kicked in the abdomen
by a horse.  She was kicked full force, both hind feet, flew about ten
feet and slammed into her horse trailer.  She has had at least 10 or 14
(I forget which) abdomenal surgeries, trying to get her insides all fixed.
She has had fusion surgery to her neck to fix the cracked vertebra.  She
has had one shoulder surgery and faces yet another to try to fix her messed
up rotor cup.  So, getting kicked by a horse is not just a tap.

Yes, I am trying to scare you.  A dangerous horse can easily kill you or
your daughter.

Sue