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From: hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:23:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (
Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>
>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>they as intense to both teams?
>
I can tell you that Lehigh-Lafayette is the most PLAYED rivalry with over 125
games being played since 1885 or something like that?

If you want intense, just come to one of our goal post tearing down ceremonies
after the game.

Howard
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: CU's Kordell Stewart out vs. OU (Detmer to Start)
Summary: Gary Gibbs Big 8 Farewell Tour
Keywords: Koy Detmer, Kordell Stewart
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:13:50 GMT

In article <Oct12.210942.7023@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:
>What does anyone think about Koy starting against Oklahoma. I was impressed
>with what I saw in the 2 games that Koy played in (Minnesota and Iowa). If he
>(Detmer) can have a good game against Oklahoma, watch out. I would think that
>would be the confidence that he needs for the rest of the season, especially
>with Kansas, Nebraska, and a possible bowl game coming up.

I don't think Koy lacks for any confidence, but like you say, getting a
start and playing well against OU would really give the offense some
needed momentum.  And as I just posted, Stewart may return much earlier
than expected.

>But, if Oklahoma bounces him around, and he has trouble making completions, it
>could be a big problem. So, this is a HUGE game coming up for the Buffaloes.
>And, the weather forecast is for cold weather (game time temp of near 30 
>degrees with possible snow flurries). Of course, this can't possibly help 
>Gundy in any way too!

Once again the Sooners must play CU after losing to Texas; my guess is
that they're actually less demoralized this year after getting their
butts kicked than after the 3 previous close ones that they gave away.
Still, they're awfully beat up on the defensive side, and the game is at
Folsom Field.  I think OU's got some great athletes to step in for their
hurt defenders, but that the CU scheme will start clicking in the second
quarter and the Sooners won't be able to stay any closer than 2 TDs.

OU apparently can't run or pass (as I read back in August: were those
defensive backs playing for Virginia or potted plants?).  But as for the
weather, isn't Gundy pretty good under adverse conditions?  Here's what
the NWS is predicting:

|NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DENVER CO
|430 AM MDT TUE OCT 13 1992
|
| EXTENDED FORECAST
|
| SATURDAY...DRY AND WARMER.  HIGHS 45 TO 55 LOWER ELEVATIONS...40S
|MOUNTAINS.  LOWS IN THE 20S.

>Just a few thoughts....... Looking forward to a hard hitting game this sat nite
>in Boulder. There definately is no love loss between the Sooners and the Buffs.

The Gary Gibbs Big 8 Farewell Tour has begun ... next!
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: randall@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Randall Shepard)
Subject: Re: Who is number 1?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:21:57 GMT

In article <ASH.92Oct5090713@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
|> 
|> Washington - played poorly against USC
|> Miami - exciting but sloppy game.  Good defense.  Offense shaky all year.
|> FSU - Nope.  Lost a game.
|> Michigan - Perhaps the best team in the country right now, but has a tie.
|> Texas A&M - barely beat texas Tech.
|> 
|> 
|> Only Michigan had a good game this week in the top five.  Hopefully,
|> several more weeks of football will clear things up a bit.  But I
|> doubt it.
|> 

Uhhhhh  Tennessee is ranked 4th in the AP.  In order to get there, they beat
Georgia and LSU on the road (LSU didn't score), they booted Florida out of the top
5, and they are undefeated  (5 and 0).  Bama is also undefeated, BTW, and they
have the number 1 ranked defense in the nation.  Just how well does a team have to
play to make your cute little list.

Just thought I'd let you know that even though we don't woof like UF, FSU, TAMU,
Miami, ND, or uhhhhhhh maybe Washington, we do read this garbage.

Go Vols.

Randall
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Common Opponents, Transitivity, and Stupidity
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:54:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bw4KJ2.EAJ
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Oct14.030339.11861@u.washington.edu>
apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:

>To try to get out of this with some scrap of dignity, I'll just say that
>the less stretched the transitivity (ie., fewer teams involved - like 3), 
>the more valid the data.  Maybe?

Not only the fewer teams involved, but the transitivity must be
temporally strectched as little as possible, to even come close to
applying.

Teams change as time goes on.  The FSU team that lost to Southern
Mississippi (hope I got the school right) a few years ago was not
the same FSU that finished that regular season.

Also, what about cyclic loops?  Example:

(H) denotes home team

9/19  Virginia(H) beats Georgia Tech 55-24
9/26  Georgia Tech (H) beats Clemson 20-16
10/10 Clemson nips Virginia (H) 29-28

What do you make of this?  Also, how does transitivity account for home
team advantage?


IMHO, the fallacy of transitivity is that (TO SOME) it implies a deterministic
relationship between the teams involved.   I prefer to think of it as 
probablilities, with a lot of factors (personnel, game location, team
moral, offensive/defensive styles) involved - the old "any given day"
syndrome.

Otherwise, transitivity will allow someone to figure out why Purdue 
is the REAL (tm) national champ :)


Go Jackets!   FSU @ GT  4:00 EST  ESPN
(SOMEBODY has to upset FSU, and my spys tell me the defense is ON this
 week).  Prediction:  FSU 21 Georgia Tech 23)

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist, since at least half the sins of
 mankind are caused by the fear of it."  - Bertrand Russell (1930)
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Lies, D**n Lies, etc (Re: PSU is Overrated!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:38:53 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
}
}  I think Rajiv had better look some things up.  

I think KRB104 had better not throw stones from his glass house!

}                                               In 1982 neither West Virginia
}nor Syracuse went to a bowl!  

West Virginia went to the Gator Bowl and lost to Florida State, but
still finished in the top 20.

Syracuse indeed did not go to a bowl that season; however, the seven
bowl teams figure is correct because Maryland went to the Aloha Bowl
that season under Bobby Ross.

}                              Doug Flutie was just a freshman and BC was not
}that good that year, 

Good enough to lead BC to a bowl (the Citrus) which was all that was
claimed.

}                      and Pittsburgh under Dan Marino were no real power.

No real power?  They only went to the Cotton Bowl and finished in the
top 10.

}yes, they did beat Nebraska, Georgia and Alabama that year, but when was the
}last time Nebraska won a big game?  

Nebraska won quite a few big games in 1982, including over Oklahoma and
over LSU in the Orange Bowl.  The Huskers finished #3 in the country
and Georgia finished #4.

}                                               PSU just didn't play the
}schedule that Miami does year in and year out. 

Baloney - Penn State's schedule in 1982 (7 bowl teams, 3 top ten teams)
was one of the toughest by a MNC in recent memory.

The 1986 Penn State MNC was the opposite end of the spectrum, playing
only 2 bowl teams during the regular season, but they beat 2 very
strong MNC contenders and finished as the only unbeaten team which
is good enough for me.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
                                 "And computer rating systems."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:26:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <71007@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>Meeks drooled:
>
>}                            And, looking at who they both have left, Miami
>}  still has 3 more ranked opponents to play (Boston College #20, WVirginia#24,
>}  and #14 Syracuse) ...
>
>I have found myself in this situation a number of times before, correcting
>a supposed fan of the Blowhards about facts even a casual follower of
>the team should know.  To wit: Miami doesn't play Boston College this
>season.

Hey.. mistakes are can be made  you know...

>
>toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) wrote:
>}
>}Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>}Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>}have your answer. Wash #1. 
>
>Hmm ... were you preaching this last year when Washington struggled against
>Nebraska before pulling out a 36-21 win while Miami destroyed them 22-0?
>Of course Miami also failed to blow out Arizona last season as badly 
>as Washington did (36-9 vs. 54-0), which is perhaps the most utterly
>meaningless comparison between the 2 teams I can possibly imagine.

Yeah, I have noticed many of the Wash. fans saying this, when the were 
telling those that believe this (if team A beats team C by more than
team B beats team C, than team A is better..) that it isn't fair.  Now,
however, when it suits them, they use it...
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: khotel@bnr.ca (Kraig Hotelling P055)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Buckeye injury report?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:33:52 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP



     Does anyone have the latest injury report for Smith, Harris, Kline,
et al.?  Hopefully, Cooper will get hit by a stray meteorite and will 
have to miss the next six games.


















-----------------------
Kraig Hotelling
Buckeye fan stuck in the Triangle.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (douglas brod)
Subject: Re: ACC Preview
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:16:52 GMT

In article 29636@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr) writes:
>
>GOOD SCENARIO:
>	UVa Offense: Welsh establishes the run with the pass, preventing 8 or 9
>man fronts, UVa line is able to create holes in Clemson defense. 
>Receivers don't drop balls, Goodman stops overthrowing and throwing INTs
>(and fumbling).
>
>	UVa Defense: Clemson is truely as one-dimensional as they appeared
>against FSU and especially Ga Tech, allowing UVa to concentrate on the
>run and go with 9 men up front.  UVa defense is actually able to stop a
>quality running game.
>
>	Clemson: Moncrief is quarterback, Hatfield calls only running plays.
>
>SCORE: UVa 27  Clemson 21
>
>BAD SCENARIO:
>	UVa Offense: Welsh attempts to establish the run first.  Clemson shuts
>it down, Goodman is forced to pass all day, many INTs are thrown.
>
>	UVa Defense: Proves as unable to stop the run as they did last week
>against Wake.  Clemson amasses 400+ yards on the ground and time of
>possession is something like Clemson 45:00  UVa 15:00.
>
>	Clemson: Moncrief is not quarterback, Hatfield mixes up the
>play-calling.
>
>SCORE: Clemson 28  UVa 13
>
>Pick your favorite.
>--
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> jbc4m@virginia.edu                  Academic Computing, Gilmer Hall
> 804/982-4710                        University of Virginia
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Ken Hatfield himself said that Moncrief would be the starting QB UNLESS he reinjured his knee in practice, in which case Louis Solomon would be put in.  I'm hoping he has some kind of accident in the next two days.  That, or Slade breaks through the Clemson line on the first play and smashes "Dick" Moncrief to the ground.  The campus will shake with all of the noise when it happens.

Interesting note:  When Solomon came in to the game in Moncrief's place, the crowd cheered. I expected that.  What I didn't expect was the band playing "Hallelujah" when Solomon completed his first pass.

There's still hope...

Doug Brod
dbrod@eng.clemson.edu




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Bama vs Tenn TV
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.133123.12398@exu.ericsson.se>, exustp@exu.ericsson.se (Stephen Pittner,xt-dt,x0672) writes:
|> 
|>    HELP!
|>     Can anyone tell me if this game will be carried on TV. If so who will carry it,
|>     what time etc....
|>     By the way, I'm in Dallas, TX. 
|> 
|> 

  ABC is carrying the game at 2:30 CDT.  It is a regional telecast while
Auburn/Florida is a National telecast @11:00.  Looks like a goof.
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
> I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
> an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
> in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
> Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
> the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
> burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
> the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
> for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
> could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
> newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.
> 
> What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
> they as intense to both teams?
> 
Well, as an Auburn fan who grew up in Tuscaloosa East (aka Birmingham), I
can assure you that Bama's biggest rivalry is Auburn, not UT.  Now, toward
the end of the 10-in-a-row Bama-over-Auburn streak, some of the Bama players
were saying things to the press about how the Iron Bowl was losing some of
its luster, and Tennessee might be getting to be bigger.  One loss to Auburn
banished all that nonsense, though.  Even during the streak, Auburn was the
one game they closed their practices for.  Tennessee is undoubtedly Bama's
second biggest rivalry.  It means more to *every* Bama fan I know (and I
know more than I care to ;-), to beat Auburn than Tennessee.  It is true,
though, that Bama is probably UT's biggest rivalry (hard to get that fired
up over one of those in-state things when the other SEC team in the state
is Vanderbilt).

Auburn's second biggest rivalry is not so clear-cut, though.  There's a lot
of in-breeding between Auburn and Georgia, which adds to the already
great rivalry (Pat Dye went to Georgia, Vince Dooley went to Auburn, and
there's been lots of cross-fertilization at the assistant coach level over
the years, too).  Lots of Auburn people pull for Georgia when they're not
playing Auburn.  Most Auburn people, though, have a serious dislike of
Florida, and it might be accurate to say that most Auburn fans' favorite
teams are, in order, 1. Auburn, 2. whoever's playing Bama, 3. whoever's
playing Florida.

My own top 5 are:
	1. Auburn
	2. Bama's opponent
	3. FSU
	4. Miami's opponent
	5. Florida's opponent

For what it's worth.

Larry Owen

p.s. Auburn was probably also UT's second biggest rival, until the new
  alignment killed the game as a regular series.
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:15:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: lgc.1992Oct9.161510.2632
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas

In article <1992Oct9.142047.3339@tc.fluke.COM> tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
>>Rule 7C " IF ANY ILLEGAL PASS IS THROWN FROM THE END ZONE,  THE OFFENDED
>>TEAM MAY ACCEPT A SAFETY OR DECLINE THE PENALTY AND ACCEPT THE RESULT OF
>>THE PLAY."
>>
>>
>>" THE PLAY " could be interpreted several ways,  but it's not black and 
>>white.   Someone pulling for FSU could see it as a illegal pass, Miami
>>fans could see it as a TD.  There is the letter of the rule and the
>>intent of the rule.  Miami is not as much as upset about that one play,
>>as the whole day.  FSU has three guys hit the Canes kicker no penalty,
>>Miami has a guy that could have MAYBE glazed the kicker toe and its
>>roughing the kicker.  The same goes for sideline tackles.  Late hits
>>on the QB.  Control and possession of a pass.  Miami has lost one NC
>>in 1988 due to poor calls.                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Get a clue!  Everyone is sick of Miami's fans whining about this.  I have
a tape of the game you are thinking of, and if anyone were to rewatch this
game with an objective mind, he would realize that if anything, Miami had
several more calls go their way (that had a direct impact on the score and
momentum) than against them.  Give it a goddam rest!  Just about every net
reader could start posting about lost national titles due to perceived bad 
calls on their respective teams!

By the way, you are only confirming the opinions of most people that Miami
fans are jerks.  I feel sorry for those who don't deserve this label, only
to get it anyway because of idiots like you.

Matt


-- 
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mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: UT at Austin football
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:34:51 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <81635@ut-emx.uucp> reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct13.170839.15335@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >
> >  Ahh, Mike.  Tsk.  And again, tsk.  Yes indeed, folks it is true.  The Long-
> >horns do indeed have a winning record against every SWC team.  It is also true
> >that have sucked rocks for all but 1 year since 1986.  If you desire to live
> >in the '70's, by all means go right ahead...:-)
> 
> I don't know the definition of "sucking rocks" but I don't think a 10-2 season
> in 1990 meets the rock sucking criteria.  Yes, I know... they got waxed by
> Miami 46-3 in the Cotton Bowl, but they did have a hell of a season.

  "suck rocks" == awful, bad.  And if you read my paragraph closely, you would
note that I clearly allowed for the 10-2 season in the midst of the rock-
sucking.

> >  In any event, I was not knocking the Longhorns, or even their chances 
> > with OU. I was knocking an insulting manner of posting which makes all 
> > Texans look bad.

> I think Makovic will ressurect Texas football. 

  He's certainly got a shot.  He's a better coach than McWilliams.

> Gardere is gone after this season, and the new QB was the most highly
> recruited QB in Texas (maybe the nation).  We'll see...
> Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu

  Indeed we will.  A word of warning: Highly touted QB recruits do not always
seem to pan out.  Take it from someone who knows. :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: atmadja@cs.purdue.EDU (Hery Atmadja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 10 Little 9 predictions
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:32:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article <1992Oct9.205839.2864@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>Well all you Badger nuts who think Wis. is so terrific are 
>just full of Grade A cow juice. The Big 10 is piss poor this

I guess you are so remotely located somewhere without having seen
a TV before. "Milk, it does a body good!"

>year and OSU was way overrated. Whipping overrated Syracuse 
>(who struggled against "mighty" Louisville last week) helped
>them achieve this rating.

Got to give you a bit of credit here.

>Don't forget how Wis "blew out" a very weak Northern Illinois
>team in Madison. (According to the Trib, NIU won they game
>because UW did not make the 2 pt conversion.) Northern 
>Illinois was whipped in DeKalb last week by a much quicker
>1-AA team (Middle Tennessee).

Sheeshh! How long have been watching football? 
This kind of 'whiny excuse' will get you nothing but flamed.

>Penn St will beat Miami this week.

So much for your prediction accurary.

>When's basketball season start?

Maybe you are reading the wrong newsgroup! Try rec.sport.basketball.college.

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From: hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen)
Subject: Re: A Cal fan who went to Seattle- you know the story... :-(
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:26:20 GMT

In article <48lT03UOa9Bq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>
>Stanford fans should make the trip up when you play Washington.  It's a lot
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>like the Bay Area.  We flew over the Washington stadium on final approach
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bite your tongue.