HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:32:25 GMT

> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>In Portland I flipped through a Mapplethorpe collection at Alan's house
>(and at Powell's, too, come to think of it). One of my favorite pictures
>in it was one of a guy in a polyester suit, his huge black uncut dick
>hanging out of the fly (cropped so all you could see of the man outside
>the suit was his cock). I thought the picture was *really* affecting
>(all those various stigmas and stereotypes; bad fashion, perverted excess
>flesh, the legendary Big Black Cock...). Probably 'pornographic', but I
>wasn't turned on by it, just intrigued by the mind that created it and
>amazed that so many things could be encapsulated in one really powerful
>image.

First time I saw that photo was at the big Mapplethorpe show
at The Whitney Museum in NYC in '89 or thereabouts.  I stood
in front of it with a large group of Little Old Ladies and
other Upper East Side types while a very Muffie-like docent
explained the work in much the same way John did above.  No
one batted so much as an eyelid.  I *love* New York :-)
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: And by the way . . . (was Re: trivia)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:50:36 GMT

Speaking of parenthetical remarks after signatures, Arnold M Zwicky writes:
>i might have made it popular, but i didn't start it.  i got it, i think,
>from wendy thrash.  that was years ago.  (i know, you say, how quickly
>they forget.  even the details of the first time begin to fade...)

Oh, Arnold, you're _so_ intellectually honest!  I tell you, I just *swoon*
when you do stuff like that.  Of course, I can't remember whether I stole
the idea from someone else; if so, too bad -- I'm in the citation index now.
As I recall, it was my reaction to .signature files; I think it predates
Jess's random quotes.
---
-Wendy T., happy to have had at least *one* idea in the last five years
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Ry's Chicago business
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:02:08 GMT

My dear Gerry Swetsky pages Ry:
>Spotted on East 79th Street in Chicago:
>    Ry's Fruit Market
>
>I swear it's the truth.  If the price is right, I'll go find it again
>and take a picture of it.

Ha!  I can match that.  I'm willing to bet that Pittsburgh -- my dad's
hometown -- still has:

     Seebacher's Meat Market

(Second or third cousins, donchaknow.)

And I _do_ have a photograph to prove it.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu

  "Writers will happen in the best of families."  --Rita Mae Brown
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Gay Cops and 60 Minutes
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:14:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




Did anyone else see the "60 Minutes" piece last night on gay cops?

It was an interesting piece.  The San Francisco gay cops that Mike
Wallace interviewed were very eloquent, especially the transplanted
New Yorker who was on their S.W.A.T. team.

During the course of the conversation with a group of SF gay cops, one
of the officers commented that they were just as good as the straight
folks, and lived pretty normal lives--they were just gay, and they were
cops.  Mike Wallace said, "But we've all seen the gay pride parades with
the prancing and mincing around, people acting out roles and such".  The
response was "But they're only a tiny minority of our community.  They
don't represent the mainstream.  WE ARE the mainstream."


It is so nice to have someone else state exactly what I have been 
saying.
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:01:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <thaaang.716429825@cwis>

John Dorrance, who's so adorable you just want to put him on a stick
and lick him all the way down to his soft, creamy center, sez:

>Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling) writes:

>>Matthew Melmon sez (among other things):

>>>Aaachhh!  <stomp> <click> ZEIG! <*snap*>

>>Hey, did you get Pat Buchanan's permission to repost his Republican
>>Convention speech?

>Liar. Pat Buchanan is physically incapable of snapping.

>John Dorrance

John, honey, that was his *mind* snapping, not his fingers.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.133221.5364@Princeton.EDU> elliott@leda.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott) writes:
>>Personally, I'm
>>wondering about the possibilities of Neaderthal-Cro Magnon gay romance.
>>One can hope somebody somewhere tried it.
>
>Another brow-ridge queen!

I can't tell you all how WONDERFUL it feels to realize that I'm not alone!
Ehugs!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:52:41 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.191037.16118@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>>Obmotss-relevance (sorta): I've heard that the act of sneezing is, 
>>physiologically speaking, similar to an orgasm. 

>Yeh - so they say; but how many people do you know that cum when they
>walk out into bright sunshine...

Ooh, I could come close...

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:59:01 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <!+tnarq.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.161015.3854@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>In article <x=sndkn.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep9.032257.9109@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>>
>>>>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>>>>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>>>>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>>>>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
>>
>>>That's silly,  What made them think he enjoyed it? 
>>
>>	Wouldn't you?
>
>Not in the snow, I wouldn't. 

Would you, could you, in a cave?
From: mstanley@physics.berkeley.edu (Michael Stanley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Origin of LAMBDA
Date: 10 Sep 1992 05:45:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Lambda, gay symbols
Originator: mstanley@physics.Berkeley.EDU

A friend of mine asked me where lambda as a gay symbol originated from. I had
no idea and promised to find out. It seems none of the friends I've asked so 
far know either.

If anyone knows, or knows where I can look to find out, email me please. I'll
post the answer(s).

Thanks,

Mike Stanley	mstanley@physics.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
From: goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu (Warren Goldfarb)
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:33:09 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University 

brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) shraybt:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) regt:
>
>>In article <71892@apple.Apple.COM> 
>>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) shraybt:
>
>>> phleklempt
>
>>Oikh ken Matthew nit keyn yidish.
>
>Denk nit das er'z a yid.
>

Nu?  Trakhstu az *Arne* *Ole* *Adophson* iz a yid?

--Velvel (a filozof)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: 277-4653
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:19:19 GMT

max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

	[stuff about making reservations w/weird names]

	i usually stupidly just use my name (annemarie succop, pronounced
	'suck-up') and then have to listen for the 12 or so variations that
	might ensue (*no one* ever wants to just yell out the correct
	pronunciation, even if they've just heard *me* say it).

	or i make whoever else is with me use *their* name.

	the one time me, b. defilippo, & c. bacquero went out to dinner,
	i tried to make the reservations under the name of 'white' (my
	then lover), but when c. couldn't make it, she had trouble figuring
	out if we were actually in the restaurant or not because we weren't
	listed under any of our names...

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:29:53 GMT

ceci@ide.com (Lou Ceci) writes:

> In article <1992Aug31.010457.22206@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) w
> >That's what sucked so much about the NEA
> >controversy - Mapplethorpe is an excellent artist, not just a
> >pornographer. Why couldn't they have attacked some of the art that's
> >just bad or trashy?)
> >

(I work in a bookstore), I noticed that there is a Mapplethorpe Calendar this
year......nothing really racey, just nice photos....
- I can post an adress if you wish....
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.035722.4325@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:


>Okay, so are there any other closet sun-sneezers
>out there?  Aside from bright sunlight hurting my
>eyes, the constant bouts of sneezing I find
>unnerving.

Yes! Gosh, I'm not alone.  Every sunny morning (which is almost every
single morning here) I walk out the door and sneeze.  Many times
after leaving the movie theatre I sneeze.  I'm allergic to the sun. 

My ancestory is mostly Bohemian and Irish. My father is a redhead, so
I also freckle and burn easy.  

With my flat top, if I don't wear a hat I get the most interesting
sunburn.


Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: Re: A Conversation With Matthew
Summary: I was an economist, don't tell
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:52:58 GMT

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>> economics has [have?  Arnold?] political and social
>> undertones.

Has.  Like measles.

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: IGLE Opens -- Remnants of Tom's Closet Explode
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:59:19 GMT

I'm too excited to go to bed, I had to share this right away:

Tonite was the opening night of the IGLE (Institute for Gay and
Lesbian Education) in West Hollywood. I am so stoked. The IGLE
is sort of like a lesbian/gay university, modelled after UCLA
Extension (quality continuing education classes in a variety of
fields---medicine, law, philosophy, literature, arts), founded
by Simon LeVay (neuro-biologist who achieved 15 minutes of fame
last summer with the discovery of an anatomical difference between
the brains of straight versus gay samples).

I have been involved as a sometime volunteer, and now as a student.
There was a barrage of media there tonite, and I was interviewed
by KNX (local news radio), CNN, and a reporter for USA Today. CNN
will run a short segment sometime(s) tomorrow afternoon (Tuesday),
of which I might be a part. (They shot about 20-30 minutes of stuff
which will get distilled down to probably about 2 minutes of air.)
I was interviewed at length by the USA Today reporter, and photographed
along with one of the teachers, and I will be the "poster boy student"
appearing, so they say, on the front of a USA Today section either later
this week or early next week. So, look for me at a newsstand near you!!!

(My "closet door" was pretty wide open already, but I guess now
I've dynamited it right off the hinges!)

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence C Foard)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.004203.25260@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Many of us disgusted by this took to collecting those little fly-out
>cards that proliferate in every issue, explaining our opinions clearly
>in broad-tipped marker, and sending them back -- Business Reply
>postage already paid, you see.  We also mentioned that we wouldn't be
>subscribing till they deigned to notice us.
>
>Apparently they have, rather.

Where do we write them to thank them for finally noticing that queers
exist? I'm sure they have already heard from the fundies who gave birth
to cows after reading it.


-- 
----          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!         ----
\  /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers        \  /
 \/   and bean eating ways. Accept the #4 into your heart! \/
     Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568        
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: jeff.con
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:54:37 GMT

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Jeff Putnam (jefu@akbar.nmt.edu), with
>a *reasonable* amount of silliness, wrote:
> 
>> Huppy dod, klop, klop, klop. 
>> 
>> jefu {proving that jeffs - as claimed in another post - can be
>>       silly - even when its spelled jefu}
>Even?  *Even*!
>--jns  [silly *even* when spelled jeff]

O.K.  That's three Jeffs and counting.  Sounds like enough for a con to me!
Anyone out there interested in becoming an honorary Jeff?  The more the
merrier (or should that be sillier?).

-jeff  [the one in Alabama]
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A question of divinity (was, too straight-looking)
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:24:11 GMT


    bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

    ....

    >Cute.  But you're the seventh queen to pull that material on me.
    >What do you folks do, get together and rehearse the lines in group
    >sessions, or what?

Point One.  He has a lot of queens trying to pull material over on him.  That
makes him a king.

    (Mark Morrissey)
        >/You are a True Idjit (pat. pend.).  I think it is about
        >/time to refer to said True Idjit as B*b (or is that B**b) S*rv*r.

    >That hurt.
    >Substituting the vowels in my name for asterisks.

Point Two.  He has a name that cannot be spoken aloud, making it necessary to
drop the vowels.

    >You are a truly disgusting individual, Morrissey.  Consider exile;
    >it is an honorable option for those who have nothing to contribute
    >to life in a group of people.

Point Three.  He passes judgment upon people, in a breath saying that they
have nothing worthwhile to contribute to anyone, consigning them to outer
darknesses.  (And here I thought Mark was a pretty cool individual!)

    >Glad to see you found someone with which to converse at your own level.
    >Pray that she doesn't outgrow you by next year.

Point Four.  He is One of great wisdom, to whom the intellectual chatterings
of others seem as mere childish dribble.

The conclusion is obvious.

Bob Sarver is God.
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Northern Exposure (repeat)
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:45:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park


Apparently CBS is re-running the episode of _Northern Exposure_ concerning
Cicely and Roslyn, the lesbian founders of the town in which the show
takes place.  This will air *tonight*, September 14th.

I would have posted about it sooner if I could, but the stealth lesbians 
snuck up one me...

Jeff


-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.religion.kibology,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: advice sought: handling on-street harassment
Keywords: gaybashing, fundamentalists, religious zealots, street-corner, college town
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:30:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology,talk.religion.misc
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Sep4.192539.27407@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.233105.18243@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>I'm curious how the street preachers would react to people handing out
>>pythagorean tracts :-)
>>
>>-- 
>>------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .
>>\    /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .
>> \  /   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .
>>  \/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .
>>    
>
>I must be really confused.
>
>I work almost exclusivly with rational numbers in my music (most music
>is based around the 12th root of 2)....
>
>and yet I cook mostly with beans and grain.
>
>Can I find salvation?  I tried yto stand Pato on his head.

The reform church high council is currently discussing the issue of bean
eaters. Up to this point all bean eaters have been excluded from the church
when there immorality was discovered, however some people believe that
modern science has shown that eating beans is ok.

VOTE YES ON 10!

Text of 10-
 Where as the eating of beans, canibalism, and running over kittens
with lawn mowers is immoral and shall not be tolerated by the citizens of
Massachussets. 
 No public money shall be used for the direct or indirect promotion of
beanemy, canibalism or running over of cute kittens with lawn mowers.
 Bean,Human and Cat products shall be removed from school menu's and
nutrition classes shall teach the dangers of eating beans humans and
cats which have been run over by lawn mowers.
-- 
------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .
\    /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .
 \  /   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .
  \/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .
    
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:42:29 GMT

Arnold M Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> oh, dear, the curtain.  well, there *was* a curtain, but it was made
> of a fabric so sturdy and so beautiful that it was taken down and cut
> up to make work shirts for everybody - tough enough to suit the women
> and pretty enough to satisfy the men.
> 
> in any case, the idea of working behind a curtain struck many people
> as bad symbolism, so that there was general relief when it came down.
> 
> or so i hear tell.
-----------
My goodness!  The man is not only a linguist, but an historian
as well.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: adoption
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.145234.12074@auto-trol.com>, katbea@auto-trol.com 
(Kathy Beatty) writes:
>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>: 
>: >But how about fucking Ms. Congeniality?
>: 
>: Depends on the person...
>: 
>: Reflecting on the extreme importance of prepositions in some cases,
>: 
>Don't forget the extreme importance of propositions, either.

And positions, too, of course.

Katie
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Public displays
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:34:14 GMT
Organization: -

In article <1992Sep03.143012.23610@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer):
>>> well, it isn't kansas.
>>
>> Look, I was *born* in Kansas--I
>> *know* Kansas, and hon, you're 
>> no Toto.
> 
> that's ok.  i think you're a strawman.
> 
Uh, don't you mean person of straw?

Jim
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Quote of the Day
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:12:07 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic


"The more voluntary heterosexuality becomes, the more authentic it will be."

	- Donna Minkowitz, at the end of her article in the Sept 15
		Vilage Voice titled "Kids 'R' Us - Why Queer
		Activists Target Schools", pointing out why 
		freeing kids to be queer is A Good Thing not just
		for queer kids, but all kids.


-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: advice sought: handling on-street harassment
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:48:51 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep4.192539.27407@panix.com>,
ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
> I tried yto stand Pato on his head.

Well, that's one way to get atop of things.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*Pooter* n. a petit bourgeois, conventional and unimaginative"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:40:15 GMT

katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

> Kathy, envisioning big, hairy, naked folk in leather playing accordions
> up and down the Castro.

<sigh> we can HOPE can't we...
(I guess since I visited on a Monday Morning, I had just missed them??)
growf!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:42:01 GMT

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.093855.8919@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>>There is _no_ cabal.  

>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.

There is _no_ curtain.

--Brent
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