From: AHEMP01@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Amy Hemphill)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 29 Aug 1992 08:44:25 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <exuptr.434.715037847@exu.ericsson.se>
exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
 
>
>In article <1684FFE26.JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett) writes:
>
>>>Bull.  My point was clear in the context.  We are quite capable of providing
>>>for children as a society.
>>>I will agree that the point is to prevent the misery, but not by committing
>>>what may very well be another misery.
>>
>>"As a society"?  Well, given high enough taxes (or would 'tithes' be more
>>in line?) perhaps we could.  I confess I, at least, and perhaps many others,
>>would not feel inclined to subsidize the children others can't take care of.
>
>Why not?  We subsidize all kinds of bullsh*t in IRAQ and IRAN.  We spend
>our butts off to help the needy in third-world hellholes.  Why not spend
>some at home?
>
Ah, here is the problem, though.  I don't WANT us to spend the money in Iraq
and Iran.  Neither do I want to spend MY hard-earned money raising the children
of those not taught about birth control.  So, I will continue to fight to keep
abortions legal, and for education, so there will be fewer unwanted children
for me to raise, instead of saying, 'Oh, we can take care of it if I just pay
for it all.'  No, thanks.
 
>
>>primitive lump of cells, equal rights to a full and functioning legal
>>human entity?
>
>We have a basic disagreement about what a fetus is, so I don't think we'll
>get anywhere on this line.
>
Ah, finally the light shines....THAT my friends, is the basic problem with ALL
abortion arguments...we will NEVER agree....you think it's murder, I don't.
So, until someone can prove to me it's murder, you bet I'm going to fight with
all my energy so that all women have the CHOICE of a safe and legal abortion.
Hate to break it to you, but you won't convince me otherwise without proof.
 
>
>FOr the longest time (and rightly so IMHO) persons have ridiculed Christians
>for not doing what they should by their own creed.  I'm not sure you'll
>like it any better, but there's a huge movement in the church now to drop
>the games and the crap and start following the word of God.  Scary, isn't it?
>
However, in your stance to follow the word of God, you must realize that many
do not BELIEVE in the word of God, so it would be against the basic principles
on which this country was founded to try to form the laws around your idea of
what the 'Word of God', if it exists, says.  (Remember the separtion of Church
and State?)
 
>>An example -- Jewish religious law REQUIRES an abortion in cases where
>>the health, physical OR psychological, of the mother is endangered.
>>So
>>banning abortions would constitute a violation of freedom of religion.
>
>Only extremists could possibly want them banned in the above case.  Except
>that I'm quite certain that Jewish law does not say psychological anything.
>
Sorry, bub.  Yes, it does.
 
>>Whither the religious argument now?
>
>Same place.  They should be entitled to follow their laws.  And we ours.
>All of it. :-)
>
So, we change the countries laws so the people of different religions follow
different laws?  I don't think so.  You can just bet that somehow, satanic
cults will get themselves recognized as a religion, and then look where we are.
Murder, as we ALL see it, is legal.  No, thank you.  So, one set of laws.
But, in making those laws, we must try as hard as possible not to go against
anyone's religious beliefs.  So, 'till you can prove abortion is murder, looks
like we still have a conflict here.  Don't you just love this?  Wheee....we
could keep going for years...hang on to your hats, kids.
 
>>Joseph L. Lockett
>>jlock00@ricevm1.rice.edu
 
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Amy Hemphill
ahemp01@ricevm1.rice.edu
Newsgroups: tx.politics