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From: twp@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au (Tony Payne CSD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Almost got Xkernel going on SUN3/60.
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:45:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz


Hi net,

I've got a diskless SUN3/60 and an SS10 30 running Solaris 1.1. acting as an
Xkernel server. At the moment, the 3/60 boots, loads vmunix and then goes
back to the eeprom with the message "Exception 0x010 at 0E053F68". Sometimes
(but not always) the loading vmunix message looks a bit like this:

Boot: vmunix
.Size: 376816.........................X...........X.....+89624+6
4920 bytes

Then I get the following (or similar) before being thrown back to the eeprom:

Statistics:
rpc: calls 467 badcalls 0 retrans 2 badxids 0 timeouts 2 waits 0 newcreds 0
le0: ipackets 489 opackets 473 collis 13 defet 28 crcerrs 0 framerrs 0
missed 0 ofloerrs 0 ufloerrs 0

Exception 0x0 at 0E053F68
>

I suspect that the machine cannot see its swap space. I even made sure that
the swap file had 8mb allocated to it by dd'ing from /dev/zero.

The following is the exports file on the server:

/usr			-anon=0
/home			-anon=0
/var/spool/mail		-anon=0
/ntd			-anon=0
/hal	-access=CSD-HAL9000,root=CSD-HAL9000
/hal_swap	-access=CSD-HAL9000,root=CSD-HAL9000

The following is the bootparams file on the server:

CSD-HAL9000	root=reckless:/hal\
		swap=reckless:/hal_swap
+

The following is the fstab file in /hal/etc:

reckless:/hal / nfs ro,hard 0 0
reckless:/usr /usr nfs ro,hard 0 0

The hal_swap file exists and has permissions 777. I Know that these files are
in a funny place, but I didn't have any choice about where to put them.

Both machines know about each other in their hosts and ethers files.

Can anyone see anything that doesn't look right?

Thanks in advance,

Tony

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: davis@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Thomas J Davis)
Subject: Dayton Sun Users Group(DAYSUN) Meeting
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:59:17 GMT

There will be a meeting of the Dayton Sun Users Group(DAYSUN) on
February 16 at the Fairborn Holiday Inn on I-675. Anyone from the
Dayton/Cincinnati area is invited.

There will be a vendor show from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Fourteen
vendors will be there. This includes demonstrations of the Evans
& Sutherlands Freedom 3000.

The meeting will be from 11:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Lunch will be
served.

Please RSVP to the Dayton Sun office, Cincinnati Sun office or
myself.
-- 
Tom Davis                     davis@udecc.engr.udayton.edu
AT+T: 513-229-3171            Mail: Univ. of Dayton
                                    300 College Park
                                    Dayton, OH 45469-0229
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:52:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143534.18578@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
>The subject line lead me to the idea that we were basically discussing 
>SunOS on PCs.  Under that restriction my statement above is completely
>accurate.

   Why would anyone in their right mind run SunOS on a PC (at least
not until the alpha PC, and only if it's as good as claimed) when
a Sun with the TI chip can be had for under $4k.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: rogerr@netcom.com (roger reynolds)
Subject: Questions about shared libraries
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:01:08 GMT

	I have been trying to understand shared libraries a bit more, 
	particularly trying to understand why Motif does not "support"
	using a shared library for libXm, and I have just a couple of
	questions for somebody in the know...
	
	For the record, I am using a Sun Sparc2 OS 4.1.2, and Motif 1.1.4

	1. As an experiment, I made a ".so" file for libXm.a,  I did not
	   recompile any source files, I just used ld to make a file
	   called libXm.a.so.1.0.  If I then link with this file, my
	   application gets dramatically smaller, (like from 1.5mb to .6mb,
	   more or less).  And, by looking with pstat, I see that the
	   process size has shrunk by a ton also.
	   I have tried several applications that I have built over
	   the past year, and they are all smaller, seem to start up
	   just as fast, and generally work the same.
	   So, is it really that easy to get Motif shared libraries, 
	   at least on a sun?  If so, why doesn't OSF or somebody tell
	   you that?  Is there some problem with this approach that I 
	   have missed?

	2. How does PIC code figure into this?  I see that it is used
	   by some libraries (Xt for example).  These libraries seem
	   to have .sa and .so versions.  What is happening here?
	   Is there some benefit to using PIC code over what I did
	   in the above scenario?

	3. Does anybody have some really neat tools for monitoring
	   what is happening.  Is there something better than pstat?

	Any really insightful information would be greatly appreciated.

	Thanks,
	rogerr@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, ATE division, San Jose, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:54:30 GMT

Paul Eggert (eggert@twinsun.com) wrote:
: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
: 
: >That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
: >you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
: >you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
: >system.  Which costs several hundreds of dollars ...
: 
: Not true.  New Sun workstations come bundled with a RTU, so you don't
: have to pay a dime to run Solaris 2 on them.  No doubt the PC pricing
: policies will be different, but let's not jump to premature conclusions.

Yes, but ONLY for the version that was currently shipping at the time the
machine was bought. You are not legally able to run later versions of the
OS without paying for an upgrade, or having a software support contract
from Sun.

There are also questions about how the RTU is applied. The understanding I
have is that the RTU is granted to the original purchaser of the machine,
and is NOT transferrable if you sell the machine.

Russ Poffenberger               DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com
Schlumberger Technologies ATE   UUCP:   {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen
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From: eldridge_m@sarah.tch.harvard.edu (Mark Eldridge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Sun as a MAC and PC network server.
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:34:00 GMT
Organization: Children's Hospital Research Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

We are considering using a SUN (vs Digital) as our Server for up to 
100 IBM PC's and 100 Macintosh's.  Does anyone else have an environment
like this and have you been successful?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:45:42 GMT

Sorry everyone, but I can't resist this one :-)

dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:
>In comp.sys.sun.misc cmaae47@imperial.ac.uk writes:
>One big difference between Windows and Solaris 2 is cost;
>Windows is CHEAP, and Solaris 2 is EXPENSIVE.
>Even Windows NT is CHEAP- the beta CD release is basically free ($100),
>whereas Solaris 2 is priced at $1000 or so.

Oops! Windows is cheap, but you have already had the cost of MS-DOS bundled
into the system.

The Solaris 2.1 CD-ROM for SPARCstations in AUSTRALIA is AUD$100. That's
about USD$67 at today's exchange rate (I don't know what the US list is).
With OpenWindows for $0.00.
Where do you get the $1000 from?

Let's talk about Windows/NT when it is released, OK?

>CAD tools are also much cheaper for Windows- in the case of the Model
>Technologies VHDL simulator, the Windows product is $2500, the Solaris
>1 product is $10,000.  I believe the software vendors are following
>Sun's lead on this- since the OS is expensive, only people with lots of
>money buy it, and the 3rd party tools are priced accordingly.

How much faster is a SPARCstation that a PC. That's why the software is more
expensive, because the vendor thinks you can do more on a Sun. Is he right?
Depends on the application...

>It is getting harder and harder to justify buying tools for the Sun
>rather than for the PC.  I have been a devoted user of Sun
>workstations, but their hardware and software are simply becoming a
>poor buy compared to the competition.

Since when has DOS/Windows been competition for SunOS in ECAD? How much are
you willing to pay for memory protection and hardware multitasking and built
in networking (and a reall Ethernet, and...)

>Wake up, Sun!  Are you listening?
>Cut your software prices before it's too late! 
>At the very least, introduce an entry-level version of the OS for $200, or you
>will be TOAST.

They are listening, and most people know what they are up to. You seem to
think that everyone regards what _you_ will pay a reasonable pricing policy.
This is just not so, and Sun will not be selling you Solaris and a SPARCstation
for $1500. They are not set up for the home user, and that is that.

Unless you mean "Sun should sell me Solaris 2.1 on x86 for $200 or they will
be forced out of business by the intense competition of people buying DOS
instead".

They will charge whatever they think people will pay for it. Please remember
that DOS/Windows isn't all that people buy for PC's. Are all PC UNIXes $200?
I think not.

Solaris won't be either.

-PaulR.
[Sorry for the rant again. Flame away...]
It hasn't happened yet :-).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mikem@ll.mit.edu
Subject: SunOS license moves with CPU
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:37:55 GMT

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>
>Last I heard, the licence now transfers with the hardware.  I did not
>get this from Sun, but from a reseller.

Well, I got it straight from Sun - from our regional software maintenance contact.
I asked *specifically* about transferability of the license when buying a used
system, which I was in the process of doing.  She said the most recently licensed
version of SunOS for that CPU was transferred with the CPU at time of sale.

-- Mike Maciolek
mikem@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: ch_purzl@rcvie.co.at (Klaus Puerzelmayer)
Subject: SPARCworks
Reply-To: ch_purzl@rcvie.co.at
Organization: Alcatel Austria Informatik  R&D
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:32:46 GMT


Hi,

I wanted to know,if anybody has experience with the SPARCworks products.
I have read in SunFLASH Vol 47 #19 something about the product and I am 
specially interested in SPARCworks Profressionel C++ 3.0.1. Any comments
are wellcome. It is stated that SPARCworks is running under OpenWindows 3.0.
If anybody tried it with Motif I would like to know his experience. 
If there is enough interest I will summarize.

Klaus


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From: aa335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William Beasley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: SPARCstation as SLIP server?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:39:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William Beasley)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


A novice asks:
We're using a SPARCstation with a Xyplex server to provide plain
vanilla TCP/IP access to the net via dial-in. What would we 
have to do to make it usable as a SLIP server? (Assuming clients
had their own usable SLIP software, what would we need as a host?)

Is this commercial-only, or are there less costly options?

Replies by email, please. Thanks.

WmB.
From: ajr@pug.hri.com (MFHorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:28:52 GMT
	<1993Jan22.143534.18578@ra.msstate.edu> <C19G06.8Gv@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
	<1993Jan22.154400.23050@ra.msstate.edu>
Reply-To: ajr@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.
In-reply-to: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu's message of 22 Jan 93 15:44:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.154400.23050@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
> In article <C19G06.8Gv@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) says:
> :    Why would anyone in their right mind run SunOS on a PC (at least
> : not until the alpha PC, and only if it's as good as claimed) when
> : a Sun with the TI chip can be had for under $4k.
> 
> Hell if I know.  Because they already have the PC perhaps?

That's what I'm currently planning on doing.  If I could get an Sbus
SoundBlaster however, I'd consider selling my PC for an LX with SunPC...

Has Sun announced a release date for an 80x86 version of Solaris?  Or did
they release it while I was asleep..?

--
Andy Rosen (ajr@hri.com)  |  "The most valuable commodity I know of,
Horizon Research, Inc.    |   is information."   -Gordon Gekko, "Wall Street"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas)
Subject: Re: SMD drives on a 670 server
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:30:50 GMT

In article <lm8p52INNjgc@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> narad@Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>SMD drives are no longer supported, starting with the 600MP family.
>
>I believe that you can contract with Sun's Special Projects Engineering
>for this support, but you will be better off moving to modern SCSI drives
>which are faster, denser etc.  If you insist on the Specials path, try
>your salescritter for information.
>
>regards,
>chas/

SMD driver support, as well as support for the old 1600/6250 tape drives are
available in CONSULT-GDS.  I've had no problems with either our tape drives
or our disk drives with CONSULT-GDS, 4.1.3, and our 4/670.

	Kevin W. Thomas
	National Severe Storms Laboratory
	Norman, Oklahoma
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette)
Subject: Re: Boot Tapes on a SPARC
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:21:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.071836.3928@dbha.toppoint.de>, detlev@dbha.toppoint.de (Detlev Habicht) writes:
|> karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (karl) writes:
|> 
|> >Is it possible to make a SunOS boot tape for a Sparc IPC/IPX, so that I can
|> >reload the OS without requiring a CD?  I know that this is no longer supported,
|> >so I guess my question is does anyone know the format of the boot tapes that
|> >it would boot from?
|> 
|> >Thanks.
|> 
|> I have the same question for a few weeks here. No one answers. I found only
|> a special tool to duplicate tapes.
|> 
|> Detlev
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a set of 4.1.1 tapes may be copied using tcopy.  I think 4.1.1b is the last
sun4c release to come out on tape.
The format of the boot tapes is described(minimally) in the 4.1.1b manuals.
If what you are asking is can you create an install tape from the cd,  the answer
is probably not.  I am sure the 'boot' sections of the cd and tape are quite
different, as the device loading each is similarly different.
Good Luck,
-- 
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Electrical and Computer Engineering

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: jpiquer@dcc.uchile.cl (Jo Piquer)
Subject: SuperSparc and 690/MP
Originator: jpiquer@tortel
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:38:58 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion



We have three Sun 690/MP with four processors each, running 4.1.2

We have a CPU upgrade to SuperSparc included, and the question is:
Can we replace the CPU chips without changing to Solaris 2 ? 
Currently I have two answers: 
One version is OK, no problem.
The other is NO, there is no 4.1.2 sun4m support for SuperSparc. Any experiences?
-- 
        Jose' Piquer (jpiquer@dcc.uchile.cl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: SUNBIN Install
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:27:54 GMT

We have just received the SUN C 1.1 compiler on CD-ROM for our SPARC 2
and I have taken it home to install, but forgot the documentation.

Could anyone point out to me how to actually install from CD-ROM?

Thanx
-- 

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Roland Besserer          QUAD Systems, Santa Cruz             roland@quadsys.com
From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:48:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
>That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
>you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
>you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
>system.

What? SHEESH! That sounds almost like illegal price add-ons.

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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:43:17 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan20.151816.4156@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
> It's more than Sun, the entire industry has to wake up to this fact.  If
> they don't we will be living the computing vision of Billy Gates.  Now
> that's scary!

Yup
 
> [NOTE: So far, I've found only WordPerfect to be priced the same on a PC
> (list: $495) as on a PC under Windows as on a Sun under OpenWindows as
> on a RS/6000 under Motif.  Kudos to WordPerfect!]

Pity it's such a naff product though. I had to use for two years a while back.
I've since had to wrestle with it here (occasionally). My parents have
Word for Windows 3.1. This is lovely, it's WYSIWYG and neat. Sure its by
Microsoft, but it's obvious what to do (just like on my Atari) unlike
WordDefect (as it's known here).
-- 
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"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: pek@logos.res.utc.com (Paul Kirschner)
Subject: connecting a SparcPrinter AND using the parallel port
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:25:08 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.sun.admin ]
[ Author was Paul Kirschner ]
[ Posted on Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:09:11 GMT ]


I have a NewsPrint 2.0 and a SparcPrinter - and all works well.

Is it possible to connect another printer to the parallel port and
drive a dumb (non-newsprint) printer?  I tried connecting to /dev/bpp0
in /etc/printcap but the print still come out the sparcprinter
(/dev/lpvi0).  Catting a file to /dev/bpp0 also comes out the
sparcprinter (as junk by the way, no ascii). 

I also tried add_np_printer hoping that would do something I
overlooked - no luck, it still prints to the sparcprinter.

Can you use that second port on the S-Bus card that way?

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: Boot Tapes on a SPARC
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:01:35 GMT

detlev@dbha.toppoint.de (Detlev Habicht) writes:

>karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (karl) writes:

>>Is it possible to make a SunOS boot tape for a Sparc IPC/IPX, so that I can
>>reload the OS without requiring a CD?  I know that this is no longer supported,
>>so I guess my question is does anyone know the format of the boot tapes that
>>it would boot from?

>>Thanks.

>I have the same question for a few weeks here. No one answers. I found only
>a special tool to duplicate tapes.

It's not just a question of making a tape, you'll need a tape-boot file.
Sun no longer supplies us with one. I believe that you will only
be able to find such a file for machines supported in SunOS 4.0.3 which
is, if I recall correctly, the last SunOS that can be installed from tape.

Casper
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: FPUless 4/110's (was: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: ...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:31:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>>>Or try writing code that fetches the FPSR, and see what the FPU version
>>>number is.  If it's 7, you have no FPU.
>
>Waitaminit.. I thought version 0 would be no fpu??!!!

You thought so incorrectly.  The machine on which I'm typing this has
an FPU version number of 0, but it has an FPU; that's true *regardless*
of whether "the machine on which I'm typing this" refers to the SS10/41
on my desk, or the 4/280 into which I'm remotely logged in.

A version number of *7* means "no FPU", just as I said.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:40:07 GMT

bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.215430.25053@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes:
>>...
>>There are also questions about how the RTU is applied. The understanding I
>>have is that the RTU is granted to the original purchaser of the machine,
>>and is NOT transferrable if you sell the machine.
>>...

>	Can somebody confirm this please?  It would affect my perceived
>resale value of older Sun equipment.  I remember a few years back when DEC
>tried to change their policy to something like this for VMS on the VAX.  The
>uproar was tremendeous...

At one time, the policy from Sun was as described above.

Last I heard, the licence now transfers with the hardware.  I did not
get this from Sun, but from a reseller.
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