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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: TB vs. Boston 12/22
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:57:21 GMT

TB  - 2 1 0 - 3
BOS - 2 2 1 - 5

1 - TB  Bradley 27                         2:54
    BOS Kvartalnov 16 (Oates)              4:42
    TB  Bureau 6      (Bradley, Bergevin) 11:25
    BOS Reid 4        (Heinze, Wiemer)    18:56

2 - BOS Ashton 2      (Murphy)             5:39
    BOS Donato 8      (Oates, Murphy)     11:13 (pp)
    TB  Bradley 28    (Ramage, Tucker)    16:22

3 - BOS Poulin 9                          19:40 (en)

Shots on goal: TB   7- 9-6--22
               BOS 14-14-6--34
Power plays:   TB  0 of 5
               BOS 1 of 7
Goalies:       TB  Young 3-11-0, 33 shots, 29 saves
               BOS Moog 15-8-2, 22 shots, 19 saves
Attendance:    14,448

-----

BRUINS HOLD OFF LIGHTNING

* Moog makes 6 saves in 3rd period to stymie Tampa Bay

Adam Oates has played in the NHL long enough to know enough a good opportunity
when he sees one.

But Oates, skating in his 500th game on Tuesday at the Boston Garden, knew
better than to overlook the expansion Tampa Bay Lightning, as did his Bruins
teammates. Good thing. The Lightning battled hard to the very end before
losing, 5-3, in front of a sellout crowd of 14,448 at Boston Garden.

Only an empty-net goal by Bruins center Dave Poulin with 19.8 seconds left
prevented the Lightning (14-21-2) from dropping their 12th one-goal game.

"When you first think of an expansion team, you obviously lick your chops,"
said Oates, who assisted on two of Boston's goals, including Ted Donato's
game-winner midway through the second period.

"A lot of times this would be the type of game that would be hard to get up
for, but these guys have 14 wins and are playing good hockey. Was I surprised?
No, because I don't think a Terry Crisp team is ever going to stop working."

The Lightning certainly had their chances to quit, as the Bruins outskated,
outplayed, and outshot them through two periods. The Bruins took 28 shots to
Tampa's 16 throughh 40 minutes, but Tampa stayed close, thanks to some quality
goaltending by Wendell Young -- starting for the first time since Dec. 9 -- as
well as some timely penalty killing and another impressive offensive
performance by center Brian Bradley.

Bradley's heroic play is fast becoming more the rule than the exception.
Bradley scored two goals -- his 27th and 28th -- and assisted on Tampa's other
goal, giving him 50 points in 35 games. He now has had two or more goals in
five of his last 10 games and with 28 goals, ranks third in the league.

It was a goal by Bradley, who flipped in his own rebound after Boston's Andy
Moog made the initial stop, that cut Boston's lead to 4-3 with 3:38 left in
the second period.

Moog would not be beaten again.

Though Tampa managed only 6 shots in the final period, most of them were
quality chances, but Moog came through, turning them away en route to his 15th
victory for the Bruins (20-11-2).

Tom
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From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Kings trade Kudelski
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:19:35 PST

In article <2B361425.862@news.service.uci.edu>, on 21 Dec 92 18:59:49 GMT,
assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:

>
>
>
>It was reported last night that the L.A. Kings traded Bob Kudelski
>to the Ottawa Senators for Jim Thomson and another forward (whose
>name escapes me at the moment -- I apologize!).  Kudelski had been
>frustrated with the Kings and Barry Melrose over his lack of play
>time this season, and he was happy to be traded to the Senators as
>they would give him the opportunity to play regularly and show his
>ability as a hockey player.
>
>(If someone knows the name of the other forward the Kings acquired,
> please post --  Thanks!)
>
>Kris
>kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
>
>GO KINGS!!!
>
>
>--
>
Kris--

Shawn McCosh, a physical-type forward, who was playing at Phoenix,
was traded along with Kudelski...

Gann
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From: tarkiain@jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Don Cherry on Finnish TV
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

In article <1992Dec21.113356.29972@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> I was flipping through the channels last night, and to my surprise there
> was my favorite person, Don Cherry, being interviewed in a sports show on
> Finnish TV.

> DC: "Great player, I like him. He wears a Canadian helmet and he doesn't wear
> a visor so I like him. etc etc". At the same time they showed Teemu Selanne
> playing in the Jets uniform so I figure Don must have been talking about
> Teemu. But... as far as I know, Teemu Selanne wears a JOFA helmet (not
> Canadian) and he DOES wear a visor.

DC was talking about Teppo Numminen.

Cherry seems to be a clown, don't take him seriously. I hope this was
his last time on our TV, there are more important things to report in
the sports news... Like Matti Nykanen (skijumping) has made a
sponsorship deal with a big japanese company, he is going for the
Lillehammer Olympics:-!

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Tampa & Miami
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:57:35 GMT

In article <Bzq53z.725@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>In article <allan.724788401@st-lina> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>>snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>>>I think putting a team in Tampa was a fine idea, and I hope the Lightening
>>>succeed.  I just think the NHL should have picked the Compuware bid.
>>
>>Unfortunately, you can thank Buffalo for the league NOT picking the
>>Compuware bid. 
>
>Whoa.  Get your bids straight.  As far as I recall, Compuware was not
>behind the Hamilton bid, and the only bid that everyone claims Buffalo
>blocked was Hamilton.  Correct me if I'm wrong and I'll read it on
>January 4th.
>

Not picking Compuware and St. Petersburgh gave the NHL an excuse to also
reject Hamiltion over Ottawa...since Compuware also wanted to
restructure the franchise fee payments.

Gerald
From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Protected List Question (was:Latest Leaf Trade Rumour)
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:40:04 GMT
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics

In article <1hqfaoINN1mi@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca>, p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>  golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>Note:  If the expansion draft for Anaheim and Miami does go ahead
>>this summer with a protection list of 1 goaltender, 5 defensemen,
>>and 9 forwards as suggested, then it is almost a certainty that
>>either Fuhr or Potvin has to be traded before then.  
> 
> I thought Potvin would be considered a rookie in that players with
> less than one year experience would not need to be protected.  (I know
> Potvin played a few games last year, ~4.)

I believe players with one year or less of professional experience will
not need to be protected. Since Potvin was with the St. John's Leafs
for all of last year (except for a brief call up), he would not be exempt.

KM
From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Reports of Mike Millar's death have been greatly exaggerated...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:51:39 GMT


Well, just the other day I was unpacking a bunch of boxes of books and I came
across an old Team Canada program from a game in December, 1985 in Calgary
against the Moscow Selects.  I don't remember the game much, except it was 
my first exposure to one of my all-time fave players-- Mike Millar.

Oh, sure, Mike didn't have much of an NHL career; he is listed in the NHL Record
Guide as being retired with these numbers:

                                      NHL                     1st NHL  Last NHL
              NHL Teams               Seasons  GP  G  A Pt PM Season   Season
              =========               =======  == == == == == =======  ========
Millar, Mike  Hfd, Wash., Bos., Tor.  5        78 18 18 36 12 1986/87  1990/91

But lo, and behold, in the Canada/Russia Spengler Cup game tonight, the ol' 
dog scored 2 goals and, although he apparently wasn't the rough n' tumble Mike 
Millar we all remember and love, (especially his 6 games with the Leafs a 
couple of years back), it was still nice to hear about him again.

Anyway, I seem to recall a few others here on the net wondering just what
ever happened to Mike Millar.  Well, now we know.  Hopefully someone will 
pick him up (Ottawa!  Ottawa!) at a relatively cheap free-agent price sometime
soon (keep dreaming, Scott...).

Anyway, just thought I'd share.


Later,
That Scott Guy
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From: matthew@wavefront.wti.com (Matthew Coohill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: ESPN schdeule???
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:09:43 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.


	Sorry to bother the group again, but I would like to request that
  someone PLEASE post the most recent ESPN schedule for the NHL.  The last
  one that I picked up off the net was thru 12/17 and I used it like it
  was THE BIBLE!  Anyway... for those of us who don't live to close to
  any hockey teams (yes, I do go to the Forum 2-3 times a year) it would
  be of great assistance.

	NHL on TV is the best thing for those cold winter days when it's
  in the 40s or 50s and too cold to go outside ;^)

	Thanks in advance...


  Matt Coohill
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: European cup finals, Dec 30
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:37:27 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

European cup finals in Duesseldorf, December 30.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Bronze:

JOKERIT HELSINKI - Lions Milano 4-2.



Gold:

MALMOE IF - Dynamo Moscow 4-3 (0-1, 1-1, 2-1, 0-0)


Penalty shots: 1-0
Only Swedish Sundstroem scored.

This was the third successive European championship for a Swedish team:
in 1990 and 1991 the champion was Djurgaarden (Stockholm).


- Tapani Hietaniemi
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From: umli0052@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sheng Li)
Subject: Re: Hockey magazine?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:31:37 GMT

In <1992Dec23.202050.11474@ccd.harris.com> bse@controls.ccd.harris.com (Brian Eugley) writes:


>Does anyone know of a good magazine for hockey news?

>Brian
There is a very good weekly paper called Hockey News.

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From: jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff Kallenbach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Trade rumor I can't believe
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:23:28 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
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In the Hawks' pregame Saturday, it was mentioned that a deal that would have 
sent Joe Murphy to Toronto for Wendell Clark (even up) was gonged by.....
the Leafs!  I know they must have exercised some bad judgement along the way to 
be so consistently weak, but this one is too much to believe.  Can anyone 
confirm this?
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From: aclark@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Allen Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Leafs @ Sabres - My First US Game
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:45:09 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

It took me 24 years but I finally made the big trip to the USA to
catch an NHL game.  I have seen many many NHL games but only in
Calgary, Toronto, Hamilton (neutral site this year), and Montreal,
nevr in the US

The first odd thing I noticed was a wire running along the top of the
glass.  It was on the spectator side and I didn't have a clue what it
was doing there.  As the game progressed I noticed that the glass was
REALLY shaky.  It rattled alot whenver there was even a small hit.  It
turns out they do this on purpose to emphasize the boomiong hard hits.
Strange.  Do they do this all over the US?

We really saw a gem of a game (12/20/92 5-4 Sabres) wide open, lots of
hitting, too bad the good guys lost.  I was quite impressed with the
crowd.  the Buffalo supporters were loud and comprised probably 2/3 of
the crowd.  The other third were Leaf fans.  Because of the closeness
of the game the feeling was quite intense.  The only game I have ever
attended that I have ever attended where the crowed was more excited
was a Toronto-Montreal game at the Forum.

All in all I was quite impressed.  Buffalo has a  decent offensive
team and I find it hard to believe that they have trouble filling that
arena.

During the drive home we listened to WGR 550 where there was a Sabres
phone in show.  Every once in a while, they would start talking about
the Bills and their win over New Orleans.  I guess hockey is the
number 2 sport in the town.

allen.clark@waterloo.ncr.com
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor I can't believe
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:55:13 GMT

In article <BzpzJ0.7ow@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> srnwhite@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Shannon R.N. White) writes:
>> 
>> I'm not overly impressed by Pearson, but then I don't think Burns
>> is a very good coach, especially for younger players.  Watt was even a
>> better coach than Burns, and I think Fletcher will regret hiring
>
>And Watt was soooo good with the younger players was he?  Can you think
>of a single young player (under 24) that Watt ever gave significant icetime
>to?  Face it, Watt would have prefered a whole team of guys like Foligno,
>Ellett, Krushelniski, Gilmour, and Macoun - not that these guys are bad,
>but they're too old to take anyone to the playoffs.  I admit I'm a little
>disappointed that Burns hasn't been able to motivate the young guys
>like Berehowski, Sacco, and Manderville, and despite his reliance on
>youth in Montreal he seems to be sticking with the old guys just like Watt did.
>

Laperriere and Ruel develop the talent in Montreal, it appears...Burns
makes Watt look adequate with young talent...Pearson, Manderville, and
Sacco had no problem playing for Watt.

>At least with Burns the Leafs will make the playoffs.

Watt would have made the playoffs last year if he had had Gilmour for
a full season.

>
>> Burns.  The coach Fletcher should have hired was Dave King...which
>
>Fletcher would have loved to get him, but King gave the Flames the first
>chance.  King's Olympic team was headquartered, I believe, at the Saddledome
>and he knew the Flames' organization and players quite well.
>

Fletcher never made King an offer...                

>> also would have had the effect of denying King to Calgary.
>> Pearson might be an entirely different player under Ted
>> Green.  Clark will be Clark.
>> 
>> I don't
>> particularly think Murphy would play well under Burns...for Murphy's
>
>Murphy came alive playing for Muckler and Green, and he stunk playing
>for Demers.  I think Burns has more in common with the former two than
>Demers.  Murphy needs a task master as a coach, not a motivator like Demers.
>

Muckler and Green were not task masters with Murphy...they basically
stuck him out on the third line initially and let him play...they put
very little pressure on him, even last season.  Burns has almost 
blown a casket already with the Leafs play...the way the Oilers
have played, Green has remained relatively even-tempered...Burns
is an oppressive tyrant...Green is just tough.

>> sake, I would rather see him playing with Roenick...their speed
>> complements each other, and their ages and experience are well-matched
>> to be a duo for the rest of the decade.  Roenick and Modano were
>> deadly in the last Canada Cup, with Modano playing the speedy
>> left-handed shot on right wing...Murphy is the next best thing, and
>> really couldn't miss in Chicago.
>> 

Gerald
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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: Trade Rumour
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:22:46 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

In article <BzzoJC.Fyu@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umli0052@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sheng Li) writes:
>In <1992Dec27.225049.13822@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>In article <9212272031.AA25489@malibu.sfu.ca> chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim) writes:
>>>I heard on TSN last night that the rumoured trade between Edmonton and
>>>Toronto involving Wendel Clark, and Rob Pearson for Esa Tikannen and
>>>Joe Murphy will be announced Monday, when the NHL lifts the "no-trade"
>>>embargo.  I think this is a great trade for the Leafs, although
>>>Tikannen has a hefty salary, he can still do a good checking job and
>>>he'll be invaluable in the playoffs.  Joe Murphy will, no doubt, help
>>>their offense.
>>>
>
>>I doubt that Joe Murphy could play well for Pat Burns...Burns cannot
>>tolerate individuality...some players can play in a totalitarian
>>environment...I don't think Joe Murphy is one of them. 
>
>>Gerald
>
>I agree with Gerald's comments, in addition, Toronto will lose such a character player like Wendel Clark, who is so much liked by the fans.  I don't think it will be a good trade for either team.  Clark is too old to fit in Edmonton's long range rebuilding plan and Murphy and Tikkanan are two loose canons.
>
>Patrick

I think far more important than how Murphy would get along with Burns is how
he fits in with his potential linemates, like Cullen for example. As far as 
Wendel Clark is concerned, with character players like him, who needs
enemies!!!

Smitty 
smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu 

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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.125903.26217@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.083134.3241@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>>>> I had been looking forward to watch "the next Lemieux", Alexandre Daigle,
>>>> but he didn't show much skills in this game, at least not any positive
>>>> skills because halfway through the game, Daigle made an ugly cross check
>>>> straight in the face/neck of Kenny Jonsson. A major penalty was called and
>>>> Daigle was gone for the game.
>>>
>>>I noticed you neglect to mention that Markus Naslund received a similar
>>>penalty for a wicked slash to Tyler Wright's neck in the 3rd period...
>>>
>>
>> Markus Naslund took the blame for the loss after that stupid slash. It 
>> was only his third game penalty ever. Naslund said he intended a slash,
>> that's a common part of the game being one man down, but no way did he
>> mean to slash that high... it was accidental.
>>
>
>Yes...we all know...
>...Naeslund's slash was accidental...Daigle's was intentional! -)
>

 Daigle didn't slash anyone... he cross checked Kenny Jonsson.
 Take a steady grip with two hands on the stick and cross check
 someone's neck against the boards... I don't know how that could
 be seen as accidental.
 Naslund intended a slash... but it was accidental that it hit
 Wright's face.
 Anyhow, both Daigle's and Naslund's actions had nothing to do with
 hockey... they got well-deserved penalties and were rightfully ejected
 from the game.
 
>>>>
>>>> Three stars (personal opinion):
>>>> 1 - Peter Forsberg
>>>
>>>Not only for his outstanding play, but for the great motivational speech
>>>to the Canadian team about how they couldn't skate and how easy they
>>>would be for Sweden to beat. 
>>>
>>
>> I strongly doubt he ever said that, he is absolutely not the type that
>> makes cocky statements. Besides, his friend Tyler Wright was over in Sweden
>> to visit him this summer... I don't think that's the kind of things you
>> say to your friends.
>>
>
>Forsberg was quoted as saying before the game
>"They (the Canadians) are not so good.  We are going to beat them.  We
>are a much better team.  We are better skaters.  They play tough but it
>is a bigger ice surface, and they're going to have some problems with
>that.  They maybe are not so tough, but we better be careful to not get
>hurt in a game like this."
>
>From an article by Bob McKenzie in the Toronto Star.
>

 Well, well... turns out that Forsberg never said that the Canadians
 "couldn't skate", as you first stated. Instead, he said that the Swedes
 are better skaters than the Canadians. There is quite a difference...

>Gerald

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From: jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff Kallenbach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hawks News 12-21
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:17:42 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
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In article <1992Dec22.002125.400@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec21.221832.17525@news.acns.nwu.edu> scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Scholvin) writes:
|> >
|> >The search for a left wing to skate with Roenick and Larmer continues. In the
|> >last three games, I've seen Hudson, Lemieux, Gilbert, and Brown take their
|> >chances. I think Sutter ought to stick with Brown, or un-mothball Goulet.
|> >Lemieux and Gilbert are major parts of this team, but neither is the finesse
|> >guy that needs to play with those two All Star caliber scorers. Hudson appears
|> >to be clueless altogether these days, most at home on a line with Stu Grimson
|> >where scoring a goal would be a wondrous surprise.
|> >
|> 
|> Joe Murphy was made to play with Roenick, and all Sather wants is
|> Kravchuk and Krivokrasov...somebody should tell Pulford to go for it.
|> 
|> Gerald
|> 

He can have Krivokrasov, but I don't think we should part with Iggy.  I think
this guy has Norris Trophy in his future, if he stays healthy until Bourque 
retires.

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