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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Robotech wanted
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.094521.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> jlsack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>I am mostly looking for the "action" figures and models...

Well, I have a lot of the old models that I never got around to assembling
that I could be persuaded to part with.  Mostly Veritechs, one big one
of the Super Veritech, two of the SDF-1, and a couple of other ones (can't
remember which).  Tell me which you want and make a bid and I'll think about
it if I have it.
-- 
Bill "I went thru 14 years of school for this?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  Don't assume anything I say is truthful, accurate, or worthwhile.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: What's up with Casper.
From: gary@futon.SFSU.EDU (Gary Hoo)
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:20:03 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Francisco State University
Keywords: casper clampett

In article <1992Apr16.175922.13136@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>
>too (some of the comics were good).  But "Herman and Catnip" was delightful,
>for its simplistically gratuitous violence.  Rivaled Tom & Jerry, it did.
>And a bunch of neat expressions and takes, which I think were some of the
>original work of Bob Clampett.
                  ^^^ ^^^^^^^^

I didn't think Clampett had ANYTHING to do with any "Herman and Katnip."
Is this common knowledge and have I been living in a hole these many years,
or is this a case of mistaken identity?  I'll admit, Avery's and Clampett's 
work probably influenced the Paramount crew, but I thought that the
connection ended there.  

Or--gasp--can you have been pulling the group's collective leg? 8-)

						/GaryH
						gary@futon

Yes, you've all heard it before, but I still like it:
	Animators do it 24 times a second.
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From: pochron@rt15.cs.wisc.edu (David Pochron)
Subject: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?
Summary: nothing lost, nothing gained
Keywords: Rad Bluth
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.182757.7919@nic.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>for the movie, I'm not optimistic about this one breaking the downward curve,
>but I wonder how people who have seen it feel...?

It breaks the downward curve, all right, but it doesn't gain much either.
In comparision to "ADgtH":

"RaD"'s characters are far more interesting than the ones in ADgtH, and this
time Bluth didn't introduce characters and simply forget about them, like in
ADgtH.  Great characters in Rad include: Peepers & Goldie.  If you thought
Fifi from TTA was sexy, (Or Amy the Squirrel, for that matter) wait till ya see
Goldie!  :-)  Peepers is definately not the cutest of female mice to grace the
screen, but she has an inner strength that I like.

"RaD"'s storyline is weak, as I have stated.  ADgtH had a better story, though
even it had flaws as well.

"Rad"'s has far better songs than ADgtH.

"RaD" has a big problem with OVER-NARRATION!  Phil Harris' narration is so
heavy (and somewhat unnecessary) it hurts the film badly.  The overuse of
narration is a symptom of the weak plot.  The narration gets annoying real
fast.

Animation?  About the same.

When ADgtH came out, kids in the audience called it "stupid."  No kids
complained while watching RaD, and the kids seemed to really like the songs.
There are some nice adult gags in RaD, but they are sparse.

-- 

   David M. Pochron             | "Don't shoot!  I have a wife and kids!!  Hmm,
   pochron@garfield.cs.wisc.edu | when did that happen??"  - Capitol Critters
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From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Ambivalence
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:21:40 GMT

vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
> 
>     On one hand, I really admire the skill of the salesperson who convinced
> Burger King stockholders to market Capitol Critters figures with their Kid's
> Meals.  On the other hand, I snicker cruelly at Burger King, stuck with 
> warehouses full of reproductions of canceled characters.  And I have to 
> think that salesperson must have been a slick, unscrupulous wiener to 
> consciously lie to Burger King like that.  

I seriously doubt there was any deception going on here.
You must remember that the retail market runs at least 6 months ahead of
the real world (how else do you think winter clothes show up in the
middle of August?).  I'm sure the Capitol Critters deal was made months
and months ago.  For that matter, with so many different companies
being owned by the same entities, perhaps there were some ties involved.
I dunno about these corporate matters.  <ignorant shrug>
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                        Taronga Park * Houston, Texas
arielle@taronga.com                           568-0480   568-1032   
    "Did I ever tell you the story about the young girl, the golf club
                and the firing squad?" -- Drake Mallard
From: jfl@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Juan F Lara)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:19:14 GMT
Reply-To: jfl@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Juan F Lara)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University


     Those reviews sound absurd.  "Rock-a-Doodle" has plenty of problems, but
they don't include being "violent and depressing".  The cartoon violence in
this flick isn't noticibly different from most flicks, and there's no scene in 
it "depressing" enough to complain about.

     The film's main problem is its thin plot.  It has a kids audience far more
in mind than "Secret of NIMH" or "Beauty and the Beast".  Ultimately though, I
found enough about the film to enjoy it, but I'm not sure other netters would.
I'd give about 2.5 to 3 stars.

     All IMHO. :-)

Juan F. Lara

"Come along.  You Belong.  Feel the Fizz."
 - Profound Wisdom from the Cola Cult
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From: anash@uhunix.bitnet (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash)
Subject: Re: Transor-Z
Reply-To: anash@uhunix.bitnet (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash)
Organization: Toonaholics Anonymous, Turtleholics Anonymous, DA-Holics Anonymous
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:02:45 GMT

In article <9204071351.AA28046@pcs.cnc.edu> rglass@pcs.cnc.edu (randall glass) writes:
>
> hello there, 
>	i am wondering if anyone has seen this old (well 1980ish)
> japanese cartoon (yeah, i know, go bug  rec.arts.anime) ANYWAY,
> i am looking for any episodes on tape. i've noticed all the talk
> on Speed Racer....but $10 a tape (with one episode) is asking too
> much.
>	so, if anyone has any info on Transor-Z, one of the fifty
> million 'goofy robot saves the day' type of cartoon (much like
> Grandizer, Dangard Ace, Voltron, etc,etc.) please reply here or
> mail me!
>	info or talk would be fine!


I don't know if "Tranzor Z" is still out, but it was running for a short while
over here around 1985 or so (around the same time that Robotech came out).
I wasn't too thrilled about the storyline myself because a lot of it seemed to
be "hack-and-slash," where the storyline (which might otherwise have been
decent) was written down to a kid's level.


To the best of my knowledge USA Network (a cable channel) is still carrying
"Voltron" (in stereo).


---------- Dana Uehara [c/o <anash@uhunix.bitnet> (Andrew Nash)]--------------
"I will figure out an appropriately appalling punishment for you later..."
						-- Don Karnage

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From: rglass@pcs.cnc.edu (randall glass)
Subject: robotech
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:39:56 GMT

 i wrote another message like this just a few secs ago...
 my advice: check out some of your local comicbook stores.
 many of them carry japanese animation related 'wares. including
 videos, music cd's, models and some may carry toys..
 (i've seen one comic store have 2 dirty pair dolls for sale.)

 write back if you have any luck!
	later,
	randall glass
	rglass@pcs.cnc.edu
From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Adults watch cartoons too!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:47:57 GMT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:

> Are you kidding?  Warner Bros.' TINY TOON ADVENTURES uses this kind of
> irreverency as its bread 'n butter!  Check it out -- you may never go back
> to Disney Afternoons again ... :-)

Sorry.  I've watched TTA and just can't get into them like I can Darkwing
Duck and TaleSpin.  The Diz shows are better (IMHO, of course :-) ).  About
the only TTA that I've seen and don't mind seeing again is HER WACKY HIGHNESS.
But I am looking for the TTA video and will buy it on the recommendation of a
friend.  Actually, several friends.  I just happen to dig cool ducks in capes
and masks, that's all.  :-)

But, yes, TTA does have a lot of stuff that's adult oriented.  At the time
of my original posting, DW was the only thing I could think of.  Since then
I've thought of Beetlejuice, TTA, TMNT (even though I can't stand this last
one), and many, many other cartoons.  My point was that people must stop
thinking along the lines of animation = children's programming.  Kids don't
write it; adults do.

  Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
  "You mean actually think up ideas?  What are you?  A lunatic?"
					   -- Thaddeus Rockwell
From: fields@alcor.usc.edu (Canis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Secret of Nimh (WAS: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?)
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Date: 17 Apr 1992 07:57:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu
Summary: Books, books and more books...
Keywords: RaD

<stuff deleted>

>By the way, if you haven't read the book, you gotta read it!  It's really
>good!  I wish I could find myself another copy...my first one seems to 
>have gone the way of the rats :-(  (disappeared, that is)

And if you haven't read the sequels to Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH,
you might want to pick those up, too. They seem to be geared more towards
children, though, IMHO.

>Mark "Emerson" Chadwick -- ncc1701@acm.rpi.edu    chadwickmo@space.laafb.af.mil
 

Lanny Fields
fields@alcor.usc.edu
(Canis)

-- 
"Never opened myself this way...life is ours, we live it our way
 All these words I don't just say...and nothing else matters."
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                                             'Nothing Else Matters'
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From: george@smsc.sony.com (George Maestri)
Subject: Re: video animation?
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:14:38 GMT

In article <QdtU3ca00Uh_86C4V=@andrew.cmu.edu> nm11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathan Simpson Moody) writes:
>
>   So, hey.  Does anyone out there know if animations have been done on
>video (magnetic storage, 30fps) as opposed to film(photographic, 72
>fps)?  Is it even possible?  WHat company produces specialty
>video-animation equipment, if it's done at all?
>    Response is appreicated.  I'm trying to find a cheaper way of
>animating stuff than that damn film stuff.  It'd make editing a dream,
>too.
>    Thanks a lot.
>
>Nathan Moody
>Carnegie mellon University                    
>nm11@andrew.cmu.edu

There's several ways of going to video.  None are really cheap, but
all offer the advantage of instant gratification (no waiting days
for the film to come back from the lab). With the cost of film
these days, however, they might not be so expensive.

  1 - Get a video pencil test system.  Animation Controls sell them
      for about $3500.  I'm sure other people make them as well.
      Most will do 24fps or 30fps, some will do color as well.

  2 - A decent video deck with time code, an editor, and a camera
      can be used.  Stripe the tape with black and time code, and then 
      insert edit your animation from the camera a frame at a time.
      Excessive use really tears up the deck, but it works.

  3 - Use a Sony V101 or V801 consumer video camera (approx $1000-$1500)
      These have an "animation" feature which allows you to assemble
      animations approx. 4 frames at a time.  Play it back at double
      speed, and you get about 15 frames/sec (kinda like shooting twos)

I'm sure there are other ways, but these are the one's I've used that
actually work.

George.
From: hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Secret of Nimh (WAS: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:10:55 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Apr10.151818.18683@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
> 
> I loved SoN until the last fifteen minutes. Then it totally
> lost it, and me. In fact, I don't like the movie in general because

	Jeesh, did you watch the same movie I did? :)  The last 15min were the
best part.

> I was so disappointed in the movie. What the hell happened with 
> Mrs. Brisby's gallant soldier? (forgot his name) IT was such a
> lame colorless ending that my sister and I kinda gaped and looked
> at each other. You know, I must have hated it so much I tried
> to forget it, 'cause I can't recall it too well, but I do 
> recall we sat and complained all afternoon about it. It was
> especially bad because the rest of the movie was so good. To
> this day I have yet to see another Bluth offering (all of which,
> BTW, get panned by critics, don't they? I wonder why.)

	I have the original Siskel and Ebert reviews of SoN, and they both gave
it three stars.  There was also a glowing article in TIME magazine.  I don't
know how other Bluth movies fared critically.

> 
> CKC
>
				Tom 
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From: jeffa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Alley)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:30:31 GMT
Subject: WANTED : Wizards movie poster
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation


I'd like to find a "Wizards" movie poster from 1977.
I'm only interested in a copy that has only been rolled
and not folded.  I'll pay up for it.

Jeff Alley
hplabs!hpfela!jeff
(303) - 229 - 0510
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From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: animation thats really for adults..
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:50:05 GMT

In article <92095.122158DLW100P@ODUVM.BITNET>, DLW100P@ODUVM.BITNET writes:
> I'm doing a paper on the theory that cartoons are really aimed more towards
> adults than the kids they are intended for.. 

You just hit my pet peeve.

Animation isn't just for children!!  Argh!!

Also, the writers write for more than one audience.  The target audience
(as declared by the powers that be at the network?) may be children, but
they realize that other people are going to be watching too, like teenagers,
and young rabid college fans and adults, so they write for them too.

Granted, this might not be true for all animations, but it's certainly
true for all the ones I watch.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                        Taronga Park * Houston, Texas
arielle@taronga.com                           568-0480   568-1032   
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: rglass@pcs.cnc.edu (randall glass)
Subject: RoboTech Info Wanted
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:35:33 GMT

 hey John, 
 	i've seen some Robotech tapes at the local Blockbuster video
 store (some episodes from Macross..)
 	also, you should check your local comic book store. there's
 a store around my area that carries japanese animation (there's a ton
 of it out now! subtitled and dubbed).
	ANYWAY, i've seen Robotech episodes for sale... from all three
 story lines : macross, southern cross, and the invid.
	so check out some comic stores!!!

	later,
	randall glass
	rglass@pcs.cnc.edu
From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Sick & Twisted Animation Festival?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:36:53 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

pirmann@dumas.rutgers.edu (David Pirmann) writes:

> Has anyone heard of (or seen?) something billed as "The All Sick &
> Twisted Festival of Animation" now running at Cinema Village in
> Manhattan?  Is it any good?  The drawing on the ad (in this week's
> Village Voice) looks vaguely like the fire chief in Ren & Stimpy "Fire
 
        If you get the chance, go and see it. Its been running here in 
Arizona for some time now, both in Phoenix and Tucson. I've seen it with 
three different groups of people, and the overwhelming response was 
positive.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 10:21:22 CDT
From: <U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: SORRY FOR THE BAD POST(COOL WORLD)
 <5wR8iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> <1992Apr16.203659.15605@ctr.columbia.edu>
 <=m#vd7n@rpi.edu>

Sorry for the bad post, I meant to title the subject under UPCOMING CARTT
OONS.
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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: when is Ren & Stimpy shown?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 08:49:07 GMT

Like the subject line says....

Since it's on a network, I assume it's at the same time nationwide?

thanks in advance,
	-kiran
-- 
"The truffle is not an outright aphrodisiac, but it may in certain
 circumstances make women more affectionate and men more amiable."
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From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Chip And Gadget To Have A Baby On RR
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 06:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.074103.12915@news.Hawaii.Edu> anash@uhunix.bitnet (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.035521.29133@cas.org> lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
> >The last of the Disney Afternoon Darkwing episodes are in the can as well.  
> 
> No new episodes of Darkwing Duck are currently under production as far as I 
> know, but there will be a few non-rerun episodes coming out sometime in May.

Huh?
As far as I know, they are currently working on this fall's Saturday morning
line-up for Darkwing and after that 13 is completed, they'll do another 13
Darkwing episodes for next year.

THEN no more Darkwing episodes will be made.
From: wiles@ultra.kodak.COM (Dale L. Wiles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:30:17 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Apr7.221828.28954@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@kira.egr.msu.edu
(Jeffrey Klein) writes:

   Last weekend, I caught the end of Siskel and Ebert, who gave "two thumbs
   WAY down" for Rock-A-Doodle, calling it "violent and depressing".

   Did anyone see the whole review?  I happen to LIKE violent and depressing
   cartoons, but I haven't head much good about this one.

I caught it last weekend.  It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.  (It wont get
academy award nominations.)  As for being violent?  There wasn't much violence
in it at all.  My biggest complaint is that they didn't have enought fun with
the "Elvis" part.  They shot for children and shot too low.  I hate that!!!

--
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From: beb@pt.com (Bruce Buck)
Subject: Re: What's up with Casper.
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:11:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.000817.10200@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>    What a sad way for "Herman and Catnip" classics to go....  :-(

Classics?  Oh my.  Formula writing at its worst.  The same tired old plot
rehashed ad infinitum.  Ditto for Casper.  Ditto for everything put out by
Famous Studios after, say, 1946.
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From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Subject: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:18:28 GMT

Last weekend, I caught the end of Siskel and Ebert, who gave "two thumbs
WAY down" for Rock-A-Doodle, calling it "violent and depressing".

Did anyone see the whole review?  I happen to LIKE violent and depressing
cartoons, but I haven't head much good about this one.
-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
From: nm11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathan Simpson Moody)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: video animation?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:56:08 GMT
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   So, hey.  Does anyone out there know if animations have been done on
video (magnetic storage, 30fps) as opposed to film(photographic, 72
fps)?  Is it even possible?  WHat company produces specialty
video-animation equipment, if it's done at all?
    Response is appreicated.  I'm trying to find a cheaper way of
animating stuff than that damn film stuff.  It'd make editing a dream,
too.
    Thanks a lot.

Nathan Moody
Carnegie mellon University                    
nm11@andrew.cmu.edu