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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Laid Back Birdie
From: snella@icbr.ufl.edu
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:30:56 -0500
Organization: ICBR

Hello,

	I think that this is a great group and I thought I would share a
couple of weird bird stories and maybe learn a little about bird
behavior from all you knowledgeable people out there.  I have a Dusky
Conure named Larry and recently he has begun doing a couple of things
that are unusual, to me anyway.  

	He has a short half perch near the top of his cage with a plastic
chain on the side of the cage near the perch.  Well, he sits on the
perch and leans back until he is supported by one of the chain links
like he is just lounging away.  He does this on the towel bar in the
shower too; leaning back against the tile.  IUm not terribly worried
about him doing this because he preens and makes Rhappy birdieS noises
while he is doing it. 

	The other thing that he has been doing is running around the cage
with his head cocked so that one eye is looking up while the other eye
is looking at the bootom of the cage, all the while screaching and
generally acting like a monster is after him.  I am not quite sure
what is bothering him but he gets himself into quite an agetated
state.

	One more thing,  for those of you who make your own toys,  what is
the best toy that you have made?  Larry likes helping make the toys (I
like being creative and making them too) and will play with the ones
that I make but will ignore store bought ones.  Of course, his
favorite toys are my SO and me.

Thanks in advance,

Liz Snella
Snella@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Travel
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:13:58 GMT

hi!

i just got my new goffin a few weeks ago.  (s)he (we're not sure
whether it's a she or a he yet, but i named him/her fred) is adorable!
fred comes when you call him and loves to be pet.

anyway, the real reason i'm writing is to ask about travel cages.  i am
going to the shore in august, and fred is coming with me.  in bird talk
they have adds for those folding cages and i was wondering if they are
worth the money.  is it going to fold close while my bird is inside,
or are they safe?

information on goffins or travel cages is appreciated, i'm new at both.

thanks,
kirsten

p.s.  my dad's computer doesn't have access to Ftp.  for those of you
who do, could you send me some of your favorite gifs?

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From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: taking budgies outdoors ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:09:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <2104@bigfoot.first.gmd.de>, wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler) writes...
>Maybe this is a stupid question.
> 
>I wonder if it is possible to take our budgie outdoors on my sholder.
>I think it is possible for bigger parakeets, why not for budgies.
> 
>She is very tame and immediatly comes on my sholder, when I call her.
> 
>Of course, I would not take any risk to let her fly away...
> 
>wolf
> 

Well, if the wings are clipped, it's possible, but BE CAREFUL!  When I
first got Mickey, his wings were clipped as usual for taming a new/baby
bird.  He loved to sit on my shoulder and I would sit outside on my deck
with him (it was summer).  But as his feathers slowly grew, he could 
glide farther and farther from my shoulder.  It wasn't a problem because
once on the ground he couldn't get aloft again, and I could go get him.
It was a no-4-legged-pets apartment complex, so there were no cats around.

But what made me end our outside sojourns was the time he "flew"/glided 
some 75 feet from my shoulder and landed in the parking lot.  From out
of nowhere swooped down a magpie (this was in Colorado Springs) -- they
are enormous birds!  I ran out to the birds and scared off the magpie.
Mickey was terrified, and lost a few feathers, but wasn't bleeding.  I 
was lucky, since in that brief time the magpie could have easily killed
him.

Same problem could occur if there are cats around.  People just aren't
fast enough to beat a cat or predatory bird to their intended prey.

If you keep the wings clipped short, so that the bird knows he can't 
even glide anywhere, and will cling for dear life to your shoulder, it
would probably be safer.  More enjoyable for the bird?  Hard to say.

Laurie
From: roseman@hal.COM (Marc Roseman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Training Budgies
Keywords: parakeet, budgie
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:11:20 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: qalab3.hal.com


I'm interested in buying a parakeet, and have a concern about flying time
vs sanitation.

One thing that I remember from when I was younger and my parents had birds
was that the parakeets/canaries would not return to their cage before
answering the 'call of nature'.  I want the bird that I buy to have
several hours of flying time each day, yet don't want the furniture or
drapes trashed.

Has anyone ever heard of someone 'litter training' a budgie ?  If so, how is
it done ?

Also, can anyone recommend a book on training your parakeet to do tricks ?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Subject: Whiteface cockatiels...
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

I have two that I would like to sell.  Sorry, not trying to be commercial 
here, but I figured that someone here might be interested.  Drop me a note if 
you are.

I am looking for an adult male Whiteface for a female that I have.  If you 
have one that you would be willing to trade or sell let me know.

Kurt

Kurt Baumann                  Creators of fine TCP/IP Products
InterCon Systems
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert S. Gerovski)
Subject: Re: tiel's nails
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:59:13 GMT

In <cdbs02b=1a5v01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) writes:


>As above.  I'm new to birds, I'm new to this group, so
>forgive if this is a FAQ.  How important is clipping
>my cockatiel`s nails?  When do you know when it's 
>time?  Thanks for any and all help.

It is very important to keep the nails down to a reasonable
length. The danger of long nails is that the bird may break
a nail in the quick and literally bleed to death. You should
clip the nails anytime they seem long or when they scratch
you a lot.
--
Robert Gerovski
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Favorite Veggies ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:28:47 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.birds
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7

In article <slendt.39@.unomaha.edu> slendt@.unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt - Data Comm) writes:

   >I'd like to here what experiences people have had feeding
   >vegetables to Macaws & Cockatoos.  My wife keeps buying a lot of
   >vegetables that I don't even like.  She says "they're for the
   >birds."  I'm always telling her they aren't even eating them.
   >They just throw them out of their dish.  

   >What vegetables have people found their birds eat and don't eat?
   >And, do you feed them raw or cooked, warm or cold ?
   >It seems like a waste of money to me.

   >Mark Morgan

   Corn is #1 followed by canned yams.  At least for our kids.

Our guys' (3 Amazons, 2 Goffins Cockatoos, 1 Severe Macaw) favorites
change: they get tired of their current favorite and switch to
another. On the list of favorites: 

VEGGIES
1. Corn on the cob, lightly nuked to kill off mold & fungus
2. Baked potato w/non-fat yogurt
3. Cerrano chilis (these are little green HOT chili peppers), raw
4. Jalapeno chilis, raw
5. carrots, raw
6. sweet potato, cooked & mashed w/non-fat yogurt
7. celery (they like the crunch)
8. Cooked beans, no salt

FRUITS
1. Apple, sliced
2. Grapes
3. Orange slices
4. Mango
5. Melon
6. Cherries (without the pits: the pits contain small amounts of cyanide)

They all love fruit nectars, as well: peach, apricot, papaya, mango. I
put a little cup in their cages for juice.

Our birds' staple diet is Harrison pellets. This is a nutritionally
complete food, and we supply the all other stuff as supplements.

Ob. Lecture: Seed is _not_ a nutritionally complete diet for parrots. If
you have questions regarding the proper diet for you bird, you
should talk to an experienced avian vet. BirdTalk magazine is also an
excellent source of information on all different types of birds.

--Doug
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From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: How to Tame Parakeets?
Keywords: Parakeerts, tame
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:26:20 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Scott A. Steinbrink writes:
>SI'm the proud owner of 4 parakeets - only ONE of them will let me pet her,
>or perch on my finger -- the other three just flies away -- Sometimes I had
>to catch three when it's time for them to go to bed -- I even tried taking
>one by one to the bathroom and try handtaming them - it doesn't work.
>
>ANy suggestions?

I am not an expert here, but I purchased a parakeet two days ago. He
came as an adult from the pet store so I am not sure if he received
any training (doubtful).  I find myself able to hold my index finger
in front of him down by his feet.  If I move it toward him so that I
am touching his chest by his feet, he will step onto my finger.

I have a couple of questions as well. What sort of care must I give
when it comes to clipping his nails (special scissors?) and room 
temperature? Also, what sort of training/tricks can parakeet do?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: 'teils and terrorizing
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:11:20 GMT

I need some advice concerning our cockateil's behaviour. We are his
second owners, and Sandino is now approx. 6yrs old. He has bonded
*very* well with my husband. When Michael is away Sandino will become
vey agitated and will fly around lookingfor Michael, screeching at the
top of his little lungs. Once this is done, he will find a place to
sit and continue with the screeching. 

How can we curb this behaviour? Note: He hasn't always done this. It
is now becoming intolerable.

Any advice will help.

Thanks, 

Natalie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Procedure to bring a pet bird in USA.
Keywords: Immigration for birds.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:48:09 GMT

To all I have responded via email to a fellow Motorolan
regards,
George Hawkins
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From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: How to Tame Parakeets?
Keywords: Parakeerts, tame
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:09:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

SI'm the proud owner of 4 parakeets - only ONE of them will let me pet her,
or perch on my finger -- the other three just flies away -- Sometimes I had
to catch three when it's time for them to go to bed -- I even tried taking
one by one to the bathroom and try handtaming them - it doesn't work.

ANy suggestions?

- Scott

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Travel
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:42:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.001358.2352@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel) writes:
>information on goffins or travel cages is appreciated, i'm new at both.

    I had good luck with an inexpensive doggie/kitty cage (Pet Taxi)
  purchased at the local grocery store.  They are made of plastic and
  have a metal wire door, and come in various sizes.  I would fold a
  towel in the bottom so he wouldn't slip much.  However, this is
  really for travel only as there's no easy way to mount a perch or
  food dishes.  You have to get a real cage for your destination, maybe
  one that is normally for a smaller bird.   At any rate, the Pet Taxi
  is also handy for trips to the vet.

--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
From: Debbie.Kesling@bird.com (Debbie Kesling)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: BIRDIES OF A DIFFERENT COLOR
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:47:19 GMT


 

 > neat
 > color pattern - orange speckles in the top dark green crown 
 > tiptoeing
 > into the yellow collar).
 > 
 > anyone see other such birdies?

Sounds like a POSSIBLE lysine deficiency to me???
 * Origin: Bird Info Network Gateway 303-423-9775 (1:104/234)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Bird Dreams
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
	<30JUL199210430566@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:35:59 GMT


In article <30JUL199210430566@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD)) writes:

> Hey, there's an idea, do birds dream?

On more than one ocassion my wife & I have woken in the middle of the
night to 

"SQUAAAAWK!" "THUNK" Climb climb climb. (A 450 gram parrot can make
quite a "THUNK" in the middle of the night, hitting the bottom of the
cage).

One of our crew fell off his/her perch. Perhaps the bird-brain was
having one of those "falling" dreams? ;-}

--Doug

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: New 'Tiel
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:55 GMT

dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
: I have read a couple of books on 'tiels, but have yet to find out:
: how long do they live?

From what I have read, they usually live to about 15 years with a good diet
(not just seed and water - called the "death diet").  I have heard of some
living until their early twenties!!  

: at all like words. Is this the first phase of response they go through?

It sounds promising.  I have not had much time to train my tiels, but my male
lutino (Church) will say "reh roh" in response to hello.  I think he is trying
to talk.  

: enough (at close range) she makes this noise which can best be described
: as static (?). 

My bet is this is beak grinding.  Tiels do this when they are tired.  At night,
when she is settling down, you will hear her making a crunch crunch sound.  If
it is the same sound you are talking about, it means she is tired.  All tiels
do it.  (When I first heard it, I thought something was wrong with my guy!!)

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From: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Procedure to bring a pet bird in USA.
Keywords: Immigration for birds.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:48:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mowgli.josh.712363723
Organization: University of Washington

in rec.birds, yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin) writes:

>May be this is a FAQ, but can any body please post
>the procedure to bring couple of Maynas or Parrots
>from an Asian country into USA. Is it worth it?
>The reason for bringing these birds is that it
>is hard to buy a talking bird in my native language.
>With small children in my family I have to start my
>bird keeping adventure with friendly, trained bird.


>Any input on this will be greatly appreciated.

>Yasin.

This is probably a more useful newsgroup; can you
help this guy out? Note: Do NOT reply to me: I could
not possibly care less about importing pet birds....

Thanks,

Josh

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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: messy bunny
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:33:48 GMT


In article <1992Jul20.073621.22177@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
==> Perhaps you could mix the powder with Nutrical <tm>, and the rabbit would
==> eat that?  I don't know if Nutrical is usable for rabbits, perhaps someone
==> else knows.  I have had luck getting my barn cats to take medicine this
==> way, the stuff tastes sooooooo good they just gulp it down.
==> 
yes, rabbits can take nutrical.  however, this is
a high-nutrition (read: high-calorie) supplement,
so if your rabbit has a tendency to put on weight,
it's not a good idea.  on the other hand, if your
bunny is underweight, it's quite useful.
From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Origin of Ferrets
Keywords: AURGGGHHHH!!!!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:28:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

M'linda -- I sent you e-mail before going on vacation; returned
from vacation yesterday to learn that my e-mail to you had bounced.
Chris Lewis pretty much covered the territory on ferret origins,
but if you're still interested, I'll resend my note if you send
me another e-mail address.  The one at the bottom of your post
didn't work for me.

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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Parents, Children, & Pets (was "Re: Life Spans")
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: njl@drutx.ATT.COM


LA>Now suppose that the parent decides to be a responsible parent and pet
LA>owner.  Then the scenario is more likely to be along the following lines.
LA>When the child begs for a pet, the parent says, "If we get a ____, it will
LA>mean that every morning, before breakfast, we must take time to feed it,
LA>and once a week we must comb it, and we must play with it every day (or
LA>whatever the needs of the particular pet are)."  The child, who is probably
LA>incapable of full responsibility isn't put in a position of having to make
LA>a promise that s/he isn't mature enough to make or keep.  AND THE PARENT
LA>ACKNOWLEDGES THAT S/HE SHARES THE RESPONSIBILITY.  This isn't just the
LA>responsibility of caring for the pet, but the responsibility of TEACHING
LA>the child responsibility!!!

LA>So they get the pet.  The parent gets up ten minutes earlier in the
LA>morning and gets the child up ten minutes earlier.  Before sitting down to
LA>breakfast, the parent says, "Let's feed ____ so s/he won't be hungry
LA>while we're eating," and goes with the youngster, perhaps holding open the
LA>container while the child gets the food.  After breakfast, perhaps, the
LA>parent says to the youngster, "Let's go scoop out ____'s litter box so
LA>s/he'll have a clean bathroom," and together, parent and child do the job.

LA>My point is that a child's "failure" to care for a pet is not the child's
LA>failure, but the parent's.  Responsibility, like most other character
LA>traits, must be demonstrated AND SHARED to be learned.

Your statements are very accurate. This is how I taught my 2 kids
responsibilty and it works. We did start with a hamster, as it is a
small animal and is easy to care for. My son has proven that he can be
responsible of taking care of a pet now we are getting him his own dog
at his request. He has read about the different breeds ( our stipulation
was that it be a small dog) and chosen a pug. I will teach my son to
care for the pug the same way we taught him to care for the hamster, by
helping him and showing him the proper care. All children need to be
taught responsibility, it is not something they are born with. The best
thing we have ever done to teach the kid responsibilty and pride in
ownership is by matching every 100 dollars they save. When my daughter
wanted an expensive 10 speed this is how she got it. She got it when she
was 10, she is now 18, still uses the bike on occasion and it is in good
working order. Giving a child what ever they want with out teaching
responisbility will only cause irresponsibility.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Subject: new bunny
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:26:21 GMT

I want to thank everyone that agreed that I should get a friend
for my rabbit Hamlet. I got a young female lop and they really
like each other. Hamlet constantly sticks his nose under hers
hoping that he will get a lick or a nudge. It is so cute.
Unfortunately, I haven't named her yet. Those things always
come so slow to me. She looks like a guinea pig with long ears
and a long tail.
As I suspected, Hamlet started leaving his pills all over the
bathroom (where his litter box is.) I moved the box temporarily
and he is no longer doing it. The new bunny seems to be naturally
trained and has used the litter box from day one. I let them play
together a lot and I think her spunkiness is bringing out the
youth in Hamlet - or maybe he is just showing off - doing tricks
he hasn't tried in a while!
I am a lot happier and so is Hamlet. I think the little one is
going to be happy too.

Jennifer   horsman@geo.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu (brian (malibu) peal)
Subject: Roaches
Summary: Has anyone found a way to rid roaches from an animals cage, that will not harm the animals?
Reply-To: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:48:55 GMT