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From: Ed.Kwasniewski@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Kwasniewski)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: RE: MATHMAGIC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:24:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

On 08-16-92 Carol Hooper wrote to Ed Kwasniewski... 
 
CH> I'm going to upload a problem and solution which was worked by eleven 
CH> year olds (my daughter) to be exact.  There was no outside 
CH> faciliation. PLease look for it soon. 
 
Many thanks Carol, the problem was exactly what I was looking for. 
I'll also pick up the updated documentation you mentioned in the other 
message. 
 
Thanks again ... Ed 
 
... OFFLINE 1.40 


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From: rshelly@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Rick Shelly)
Subject: Calif Math Council
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:32:11 GMT

Can anyone out there tell me what the California Mathematics
Council is...and how I might contact them?
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Re: AP CALCULUS
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:02:33 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King) writes:
>When I said:
>
>-> >My main concern is, of course, that I prepare the students
>-> adequately to >pass the exam.
>
>You said this is perhaps an unfortunate wording and that if I structure
>my entire course towards passing the exam, I will be doing the students
>a great disservice. Certainly I do not (as you assumed) intend to
>structure the entire course that way. I do plan to give them a solid
>foundation in the fundamentals.

and also writes:

>The parents, the
>students, the admin, and even I myself, may base their decision on my
>success as a calculus teacher on how many of the students pass the exam.
> [...]  Teachers are expected to give their students
>"test taking tips", etc...I do not think that is necessarily bad form.

I believe that you should make explicit to the students the fact that you
are doing two things in the course that are in principle mutually
exclusive, and make it clear when you are doing what.  For example, tell
them at the beginning of the year that Monday through Thursday are for
calculus and Friday is for the A.P. exam.

The point is, although you *do* have to deal with the political reality
of the exam, by doing so you run the risk of reinforcing students' idea
that mathematics is about getting answers to problems.  If you give them
some intellectual material and some problem-solving material mixed
together, without making the difference explicit, they'll think that the
test material is part of "learning calculus."

On the subject of texts, I think you should look over Apostol, if you
don't know it.  That's what we used when I was a kid in a high school
AP class, a million years ago, and it was great because of its heavy
emphasis on mathematical ideas rather than on symbol manipulation.

Consider also giving your kids access to symbol manipulation software
such as Mathematica or Maple or Derive -- except on Fridays.  That will
really help them understand that calculus isn't about solving integrals.
From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: MATHMAGIC                
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:59:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Carol,

-> ....  Thank you.  We have only been given one channel (I'm
-> am awaiting the number now) and so a good word would help as
-> I still have hopes that the need for a second channel will
-> become apparent.

Well, I did send a message to Helen right when I got your message asking
for the "good word". However, she has already responded to me (via
netmail) that she doesn't really see giving two channels to the project.
She did point out (correctly so) that not all sysops correctly configure
their systems so that restricted area echos actually are (restricted)
and thus, you could have kids getting access to your "private" channel
even if you had one. I realize it will be harder for you without the
extra channel, but I don't know as I can do anything else for you to
convince Helen that you need another one. Isn't it possible for us to
work out things that really NEED to be strictly private from the
students via netmail of by FREQing files (for instance, the list of
suggested problems?)?

-> So, please look for MathMag2.lzh.  Everything is in there and again,
-> simplified!

Will do. Unfortunately have not even looked at the first one (since I
FREQd it a couple or few days ago). Our printer is in the shop
(should've been back today, but have found out that it will be almost
another week) and I really hate reading files from the screen. Rather
sit in the easy chair and read the printouts.

Sheila
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
                                                      

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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: RE: MATHMAGIC
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 07:35:17 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

I'm going to upload a problem and solution which was worked by eleven 
year olds (my daughter) to be exact.  There was no outside 
faciliation. PLease look for it soon.


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: updated MathMagic guide
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 15:15:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

                    GUIDE TO MATHMAGIC
WELCOME TO MATHMAGIC!
WHAT IS MATHMAGIC?
MathMagic allows students from around the world with
students from other schools to solve math problems with each
other using computers and modems to communicate.
WHO MAY PARTICIPATE?
Participation is open to any student in grades K-12, either
on an individual or team basis.  Teams, if desired, may be
formed by teachers incorporating MathMagic in their class-
rooms.  Communication may occur between individual and teams
but solutions will be evaluated in separate categories.
WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS WILL BE GIVEN?
Problems chosen as MathMagic problems will be based on the
following criteria:
    1.  They capture student interest and imagination.
    2.  The solution is not immediately obvious.
    3.  The problem can be solved using more than one
        strategy.
    4.  The problem is within the computational skill level
        of the student(s).
    5.  The solution time is reasonable.
    6.  There may be more than one solution.
    7.  The solution is defined well enough so that students
        know when a solution has been reached.
NOTE:  Problems may be submitted for consideration by any
and all interested parties by simply addressing them to:
Carol Hooper, (1:381/64).
HOW OFTEN WILL WE GET PROBLEMS TO SOLVE?
Problems will be issued during two-week periods called
"problem cycles".  The entire cycle covers the time from the
day you get the problem to the day the problem is due to be
turned in to MathMagic.  A time line will be posted on the
MathMagic Channel    with this information.
more to follow


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Re: MATHMAGIC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 09:40:07 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

->The last line of shingles were off, but I am still
->married!  That was the main point.  Also still have both
->hands and all of my apendages.  A success!
     Quite an achievement!  Congrats!
->Please note if wish that the materials not be duplicated.
     Duplicate away!  We want this spread far and wide.
Thanks.
     Thanks again for the support.  We have applied for
project channels (we need 2) and are anxiously awaiting the
reply.  Once we hear from them, a package with all manuals
necessary will be on their way to you.  You can download the
current package minus teacher's manual from here if you
would like.
File name:  MATHMAG1.LZH


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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: GIRLS AND MATHS          
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:50:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Don,

Regarding your question to me:

-> Bit of a shot in the dark: know anything suitable for single sex
-> classes (girls)
-> in the maths area? Collaborative/other methodologies?

My first question that came to mind is : "Why do you need something
different for teaching girls, than you do for teaching boys?"

John Feltham did post some few months ago a message in the teacher Chat
area of K12 about some state/province (?) in Australia that has recently
completed a study showing that girls do better in math/science when they
are taught in single-sex classes. Is this why you are inquiring?

I did think of something that may be of more interest to girls than
boys: When I was watching the women's gymnastics competitions for the
recent Bracelona Olympics, it was mentioned that one ofthe U.S.
gymnast's father is a Physics professor at (I think?) Univ. of Ohio and
he uses video tapes of his daughter doing gymnastics to teach his
physics classes.

But you seem to be asking about methods, not curriculumn, and about
math, not so much science. Try to get in touch here in this echo with
Carol Hooper about the Mathmagic program that will be running. I bet
girls would like to participate in that. Also, I think girls are well
suited to group work. What about some higher level problems where you
have the students work in groups to submit a written answer? when I do
this with my students (it is a coed class) I require each student to
submit their own individual paper instead of a single paper for each
group.

Well, hope to hear from you again. But, although I imagine you are going
to be teaching a single-sex girls course (something I have never done,
myself) I just don't see why methods need to be any different than what
you do with boys. From what I had read previously about girls-only
courses vs. mixed, it was a socialization aspect that caused girls to
hold back.

Sheila
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
                                                                                                 

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From: Don.Fraser@f804.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Don Fraser)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: MATHMAGIC (HOOPER/HODSON PROJECT)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:32:30 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:800/804 - Oracle PC-Network, Flinders Park Sth Aust Austra

Thank you for your most informative reply.
I will be doing my best to stir up interest in Mathmagic at my high school. We have a copy of Mathmagic, which arrived recently.
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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: RE: MATHMAGIC            
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:51:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Sheila, you might want to read my latest message from 10-16-92 and see 
what you think.  The cycles are two-week as I don't think it would 
work well with students working on a single problem for six weeks....I 
forsee a loss of interest over that time period.  Of couse, this is a 
learning experience and we will have to see if it develops into that.  
As for the posting from Alan, there is a minor problem going on in 
comunication here and it has resulted in the following.  I will be 
answering all questions regarding FidoNet, Alan is responsible for 
Internet.   How about giving it a shot and withdrawing if necessary.  
Again, I must say that this is to be tailored to your needs!  
Carol


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: MathMagic
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:19:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Hi, Rob.  I saw an incomplete message here with the
subject of our project, MathMagic.  Is there some
information that you need concerning the project?
Thanks.  Carol


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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Re: Motivation, lack of . . .
Date: 13 Aug 1992 21:20:08 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Let me just put in a plug for computer programming as a motivating and
confidence-building alternative to useless and insulting general math
courses.  Programming requires formal math-style thinking, but doesn't
depend on (or remind the learner about) any specific previously-failed
knowledge.

Since you are at MIT, hop over to the media lab and talk with the
Learning and Epistemology people.  (Unless you are one yourself,
in which case you already know all this!)
From: Alan.Hodson@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Hodson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: RE: MATHMAGIC            
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:35:42 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

        Sorry Sheila - I didn't mean to use so much space on what
amounts to the same message. I expect other users doing the same
are also told off publicly, aren't they?
        Come to think of it, I may be special. This is the first
time I *EVER* read a message like yours...on K12.
        Regardless, you are right. I'll try to be brief.
        (Ooops, I have the feeling I already said that, or a nearly
identical statement... WHEN will I EVER learn?)
aah


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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: RE: MATHMAGIC            
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:37:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Carol,

Glad to hear that you got a project channel (just one? ah,...I expected
that two was a lot to ask for...). And good to hear that the project is
coming along and improving.

Today I received a message from Alan in the Fido Educator echo in which
he said:

-> Basically, the problems are "posted" on Mondays for a
-> two week cycle. The "Reporter" from each group d/loads
-> the one for their category and is in charge of sending
-> and receiving messages with their Partner Group, cc. to
-> local Area Record Keeper. By Friday, two weeks into the
-> cycle, after their exchanges, each team posts their
-> final submission.

and further:

-> El Paso participants will begin cycle 1 (C1/92) Sept.
-> 8th and submit Sept. 18. At this point, out-of-area par-
-> ticipants will begin with what is cycle 2 (C2/92) and
-> hopefully post solutions by Oct.2. Other cycles are:
-> C3/92: Oct.5-Oct.16; C4/92: Oct.19-Oct.30; C5/92: Nov.2-
-> Nov.13. Please notify MathMagic *EARLY* of holidays or
-> any schedule conflicts so arrangements can be made.

I guess I misunderstood, because I thought you had said 6 week cycles,
and yet Alan is saying two week cycles. I don't think I can fit that in
with my class if we need something every two weeks. I can't forsee doing
it as an after school club at this time, due to my schedule. I was
planning to do it as part of my course. But if I have to have a new
problem solved with them every two weeks...that's too often for me. I'm
afraid we may have to drop out.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood initially.

Sheila
                                                                                                               

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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Updated MathMagic Guide pg 1
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 15:12:27 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

                     GUIDE TO MATHMAGIC


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From: Stan.Woodard@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Stan Woodard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Driving
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:42:26 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

* Original To  : Michigan Night Motorists (1:228/65)


Perhaps its me but have you noticed when you drive from Detroit to let's
say, Muskegon on I 96 in the middle of the night, you get a little testy
if you're doing this for a living instead of what some people call, the
American Dream? You could be in your comfort zone sleeping where its safe.
Home with your loved ones. Perhaps you have to survive on maybe 35K a
year with benefits. 
Switch the station.
It's damn dangerous out on I 96 at night. There's deer all over the place,
especially going thru Ionia County. There's drug trafficers running back
and forth(a guess I've acquired since the beginning of the Reagan/Bush
era) when I started driving for a living for $25.00 a car, instead of
a professional educational salary. And there's solicitation in the truck
stops/rest areas that are uncalming to say the least.
In the winter, the roads are often slippier than well........they're
often too slippery to drive on, but the boss says drive thru it, with
no benefits.
It's an interesting way to survive, but I wouldn't recommend it to my
worst enemy, who's home sleeping with a nice pension these days.
Just be careful when you're driving the night roads of Michigan. I've
seen more wrecks in the last 11 years than most people see in a life-
time. Each one is someone's horror story. Drive like your life depended
on it and happy motoring.


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From: Stan.Woodard@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Stan Woodard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Driving
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:32:46 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

Perhaps its me but have you noticed when you drive from Detroit to let's
say, Muskegon on I 96 in the middle of the night, you get a little testy
if you're doing this for a living instead of what some people call, the
American Dream? You could be in your comfort zone sleeping where its safe.
Home with your loved ones. Perhaps you have to survive on maybe 35K a
year with benefits. 
Switch the station.
It's damn dangerous out on I 96 at night. There's deer all over the place,
especially going thru Ionia County. There's drug trafficers running back
and forth(a guess I've acquired since the beginning of the Reagan/Bush
era) when I started driving for a living for $25.00 a car, instead of
a professional educational salary. And there's solicitation in the truck
stops/rest areas that are uncalming to say the least.
In the winter, the roads are often slippier than well........they're
often too slippery to drive on, but the boss says drive thru it, with
no benefits.
It's an interesting way to survive, but I wouldn't recommend it to my
worst enemy, who's home sleeping with a nice pension these days.
Just be careful when you're driving the night roads of Michigan. I've
seen more wrecks in the last 11 years than most people see in a life-
time. Each one is someone's horror story. Drive like your life depended
on it and happy motoring.


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From: Scott.Andrews@p11.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Andrews)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: XPress
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:27:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.11 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Congratulations on your selection as an XPRESS Teacher Champion. From talking with Steve at XPRESS, it sounds very well deserved.
How long have you been in the Lake Charles system?
I was born there, and still have family in the area.
Congrats again.

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From: Stan.Woodard@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Stan Woodard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: North Muskegon Reunion '67
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:49:10 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

No news on shipwreck or battles. Did find Capt. David Woodard swimming
around off the New England coast in late 1700s, after his ship sunk.
He hung up ocean sailing and settled in Boston for the rest of his days.
Think he grew a garden and although it cannot be proven, probably brought
the first toss salad to the first Woodard Reunion, probably better known
as the unauthorized Boston Tea Party.


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From: pauly@sendit.NoDak.edu (Eric Pauly)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: SGI GRADS
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:44:55 GMT
Organization: SEND-IT Conferencing System, North Dakota


Are there any SGI Grads out there?  I'm looking to see if this can be used as
an effective communications device for any SGIers. Let me know. Thanks.
Eric Pauly
Fargo, ND
SGI 92
From: Stan.Woodard@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Stan Woodard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Position Wanted
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:48:26 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

* Original To  : Dept. Heads  (1:228/65)

Have social science major from Western Michigan University. Minor is
geography. M.A. also from Western in Cooperative Occupational Education.
Psychology cognates. Student in Curriculum, Literature, Psych, and
Michigan History in 1990 at Western and Grand Valley.
Have desire, will travel. This past summer, have been a campaign manager
in local area and writer for an upcoming 16 mm motion picture currently
in pre-production development. Prefer a day job that has substance,
without abuse.
Serious inquiries welcome.


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From: pauly@sendit.NoDak.edu (Eric Pauly)
Subject: Re: SGI Grads
Organization: SEND-IT Conferencing System, North Dakota
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:04:24 GMT


SGI grads are teachers who have attended the National Geographic Society's
Summer Geography Institute - - a program designed to help bring geography back
to the classroom.
From: Edgar.Coudal@p0.f25.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Edgar Coudal)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Hello
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:50:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/25.0 - The Back Door, Venice FL

Hey, what's happening!?
 



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From: Jill.Fodrocy@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Jill Fodrocy)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: SGI Grads
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:33:42 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

What are SGI Grads?


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