HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:50:27 GMT

Did I miss something in this discussion about milk?  It seems like no
distinction is being made between whole, lowfat, and skim milks, just
a wholesale condemnation of cow's "milk" in general.  What level of
butterfat are pediatricians (who still BELIEVE in children drinking milk)
recommending these days? 

As far as children LIKING milk or not, I've found that very often what
they don't like is the taste of the butterfat (after years of drinking
skim milk, even lowfat milk tastes peculiar and "feels" slimy to me), 
which they probably don't need anyway.  If your child doesn't like milk, 
and you would like her/him to drink it for the calcium, try offering very 
cold skim milk.

They will get my skim milk from me when they pry it from my cold, dead
hands.

Jan
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving birth under water
Date: 2 Oct 1992 20:56:45 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Oct1.213600.20428@pencom.com>, twriter1@pencom.com writes:
|> I am interested in delivering my babies under water (when it's 
|> time to have them).  I forget the name of the method.  
|> Does anyone have any info?  Pros and cons? Anyone out there
|> ever done it?

Who are you going to have attend you at the birth?

I thought that I heard that nobody in the country is using the
underwater method, except perhaps by accident when things happen
very suddenly.

Is there any advantage to underwater birthing, or was it just one 
of those silly fads?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24489 alt.sex:30974
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:53:20 GMT
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep27.230414.16769@news.eng.convex.com> 
ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>In article <2739@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Marsh) writes:
>=>Apparently it's common custom in several African nations to remove
>=>the clitoral hood, the clitoris and some, if not all, of the labia;
>=>any/all of the above terrify us because in this society how *does* one
>=>raise a child who's been mutilated like this?
>
>Don't you know circumcision isn't mutilation?  What's good for the gander
>is good for the goose.

This is a very insensitive comment and innapropriate response to a sincere 
question.

Bummin',

rini
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25132 soc.singles:27015
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:48:36 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct3.153214.25705@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>Now after thinking about this a bit, I had to ask myself what the problem
>was here.  I mean, after all, kids *do* say "math class is hard."  What's
>the problem with admitting that?  

>Have we reached a point where it is politically incorrect for any woman to
>admit that she's not perfect?  


I think the problem wasn't so much that she has problems with school but
that she has problems with _math_, a kind of stereotype that girls live
with.  I still remember being called a dumb blonde by my sixth grade
teacher (an essentially loveable old coot).  It's a sore spot.

But I agree with your second statement.  Wouldn't it be great if they came
out with "PC Barbie"?  She could say things like:

"Save our planet!"

"No make-up testing on animals!"

"Safe sex is cool!"

"Military rights for gays!"

"Ban censorship!"

And, of course, "I love math and want to be a rocket scientist!"



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pat@odin.icd.ab.com (Pat A. Checkel)
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:29:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.143229.21967@col.hp.com> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
>>
>>This process is called "fundal massage" and is intended to keep the
>>fundus (uterus) contracted to prevent excessive bleeding.  The inside
>>of the uterus has a lot of raw surface where the placenta used to be.
>>
>> It was worse after my c-section than after vaginal birth.
>
>  Okay, when this thread started I assumed that since I had a c-section
>  that they didn't do the massage.  I really don't remember anyone
>  doing this to me, maybe I slept through it.  But if it hurts that
>  much I doubt it.  Is there anyone else out there that doesn't
>  remember having this done?
>
>  mona
>

Noone did this to me either.  Two kids - one C--section.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:49:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.125428.5866@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>In article <ykdp-t#@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>In Albuquerque, there is an ADD "industry". There are well-known
>>local practitioners who diagnose every kid they see with ADD, as
>>a means of generating repeat business. Some even put the entire
>>family on dextroamphetamine. Now *that* will bring mom back for
>>more!  Whatever ADD is, in Albuquerque it is grossly overdiagnosed. 
>
>Poor quality local practice, even abuse of patients with a particular
>treatment, does not mean that the treatment may not be helpful for some
>people.   Overdiagnosis does not mean that a diagnosis does not exist.
>
>Fact is, a few weeks of a medication trial with a reasonable schedule
>of observation (on the part of parents, teachers, and physician) can
>establish whether a particular child suspected of ADD can benefit from
>medication, and the risks of such a trial are very small, (assuming the
>absence of contraindications). "Drug dependency" is really a non
>sequitor here - we don't consider epileptics "drug dependent" in a
>judgemental way because they have seizures if they stop their
>medication.   What if the medication would be extremely helpful to the
>child?  Wouldn't it then be tragic if the child was denied a treatment
>of value because the parents didn't believe in it?
>

	I think we should just do like they did on "One Flew Over
	the Coo Coo's Nest".

	The kid acts up and, "IT's MEDICATION TIME".  If that
	doesn't work after a while, well,  the labotomy.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: christi@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Christine L Hilton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: one year olds
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:16:59 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>>        I'd like to hear from other parents (well, I'm hoping for
>>commiseration actually) about the changes in behaviour that occur
>>around the first birthday.  Libby will be one next week (how time
>>flies!) and lately I feel like I'm arguing with her a lot more than in
>>the past.  (They're not verbal arguments :-))

>>        So net.parents, what's your experience.  Did diapering get
>>easier when your children could stand?  Will I warp my child for life
>>if she cries while I perform some necessary task?:-)

>I always try to explain why I am doing something, or not, eventually
>he will understand (right, parents of 2-yr olds :-) )  My only fear is
>that if this is what a 1 yr old is like what are the terrible 2s!!!!
>Doug is very determined and can be very focused on the activity at
>hand.  He spent at least 1/2 hour last night putting rocks into a cup,
>and dumping them out.  It is really fun to watch the intensity with
>which he "plays".  He is also in a really imitative stage these days.
>He will copy any sound, look, or funny action he sees us do, then urge
>us to repeat it.  We spend several minutes passing around hats and eye
>glasses and making funny noises.


>Chris Himes--mom of a new 1 yr old!

OH I am SOOOOOO glad to hear you all are having the same experiences I am!!!!
She was so much easier before she discovered she could walk!!
Isn't it fun being parents?!!!!!

Christine Hilton, Mom to Alixandra, 13mo., and ??? -3mo.
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:05:45 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<1992Oct5.165255.5465@exu.ericsson.se>
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH
Keywords: 

> Anyone rememeber the footbal player "Chip Glass"?
> 
> -Shirl

I went to high school with a very tall blue-eyed blonde girl named...
Daisy Dahlhaus.  I always wondered if her name would limit her, say,
from becoming the CEO of a large corporation (if she was so inclined).


-- 
Paulette Leeper                               paulette.leeper@daytonOH.NCR.COM
NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
++++++++++++++++513-445-6289   VP 622-6289   FAX 513-445-2468+++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:10:15 GMT
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.

In article <4570267@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
>My kids love Barney.  I personally can't stand Barney, and am glad
>to see him go.  But since my daughter is so disappointed that Barney 
>isn't on any more that we're writing a letter to PBS about it.  My 
>daughter is pretty impressed by the fact that we can express our 
>opinion to the tv gods.
>
>Jane Marcus

Uhmm, interesting.  Can you tell us why you don't like Barney?
I love it but maybe I'm missing something.  Yes, it's true that
sometimes I get tired of it, but I'm not the one who watches it.
I say I love it in the sense that I like what my 3 year-old son
is watching.


-- 
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From: julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Flying International with an infant
Date: 1 Oct 1992 21:33:48 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, CA USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.81

Hi,

I have a question.  My wife and I will be moving to Paris soon, and
we were wondering if it is possible to take along our newborn
son for free.  I know you can do this for domestic flights, but
what about for international flights?

-julian-
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24491 alt.sex:30988
From: jiangh@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Howard C Jiang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:25:06 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Sep28.025320.23746@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.230414.16769@news.eng.convex.com> 
>ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>>In article <2739@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Marsh) writes:
>>=>Apparently it's common custom in several African nations to remove
>>=>the clitoral hood, the clitoris and some, if not all, of the labia;
>>=>any/all of the above terrify us because in this society how *does* one
>>=>raise a child who's been mutilated like this?
>>
>>Don't you know circumcision isn't mutilation?  What's good for the gander
>>is good for the goose.
>
>This is a very insensitive comment and innapropriate response to a sincere 
>question.
>
>Bummin',

Seems to me that both responses are insensitive, but opinionated, so how can
they be inappropriate?
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:18:41 GMT
	<1992Oct2.182642.18950@schbbs.mot.com> <1992Oct5.145108.1@stsci.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Oct5.145108.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes:
 > Here is one that my 5th-grader had to do for homework, but it's really very
 > easy.  It demonstrates the principle that "hot air rises".
 > 
 > You need:
 > 	a small balloon (inflate it a few times to loosen it up)
 > 	an empty bottle, e.g. 16 oz soda bottle
 > 	a bowl of hot tap water
 > 	a bowl of ice water
 > 
 > Put the deflated balloon over the mouth of the soda bottle.  Put the soda
 > bottle into the hot water.  After a few seconds, the balloon will straighten
 > up and inflate a little.  Then put the soda bottle into the ice water.
 > The balloon will shrink and go limp again.  The kids liked to do this
 > over and over.

Sounds like a fun experiment, but just to keep the record straight: I
think this demonstrates that air expands as it heats up, not that it
rises.  Unless the baloon and soda bottle were to actually start
floating up through the surrounding air, I don't think you could say
that this experiment by itself demonstrates that hot air rises.
(Sorry to nitpick :-)...  This is just to help parents who may not
themselves be very scientifically inclined interpret this properly
with their children.)
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:22:18 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 16769@news.eng.convex.com, ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
> In article <2739@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Marsh) writes:
> =>Apparently it's common custom in several African nations to remove
> =>the clitoral hood, the clitoris and some, if not all, of the labia;
> =>any/all of the above terrify us because in this society how *does* one
> =>raise a child who's been mutilated like this?
> 
> Don't you know circumcision isn't mutilation?  What's good for the gander
> is good for the goose.
> 
> -- 
> Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
> Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
> ramon@convex.com            | "Ceci n'est pas une .signature file"


A female circumcision (clitorectomy) is done to prevent the female from 
experiencing "pleasure" during intercourse and can make intercourse painful
for the female.  A circumcision is a male does not have that effect and is
done (if not for religous reasons) to prevent a possible (but not likely)
infection and does not impair their ability to enjoy sex.

Serena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil
Subject: Re: YEA, YEA, YEA Baby #3 Is On The Way!
Originator: mgaudrea@wb4
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:36:03 GMT

Am posting this because the e-mail bounced...

In article <1992Sep30.151905.26228@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> you write:

>My husband seems to think I'm delirious. Actually most people
>I've talked to think I am! Its not very common around here.     

I don't!  I had my baby at home, and it was a much more positive
experience for us.  We felt the baby was better off at home.

>we could both learn a little bit more about this practice.

Learn everything you can!  I wouldn't recommend doing it unless your
husband wants to.  He will have an incredible amount of work and
responsibility at home. My suggestions:

-- Take a Bradley course.  It will help you take care of yourself during
pregnancy and help you gain the confidence in yourselves that you will
need for a homebirth (or for a natural birth in a hospital).  (Be sure
to read _Natural Childbirth, the Bradley Method_, at least I think
that's the title.  Also read _Husband-Coached Childbirth by Dr Bradley.
It's out-of-date, but the philosoply is still good.)

-- Read Kitzinger's books, especially Homebirth.

-- Read Special Delivery.  Forget the author.  It's a kind of workbook,
so you might have to mail order it (or get it through a bookstore).

-- Read everything else on birth you have time for.

-- Do start seeing  a midwife.  Perhaps you can hire her for labor
support, then if you decide on a home-birth, she can attend it.

My experience:  My husband was not really for a homebirth when I
first got pregnant, but was very supportive of natural childbirth.
After taking the Bardley course (which he felt strengthened our marriage
by teaching us to work together), and seeing how difficult it would be
to have a natural childbirth at our hospital, he suggested looking into
a homebirth.  I felt much better going into a homebirth having his
complete support -- in fact, I could claim it was his idea!

It was great for our existing daughter too.  It was very special for her
to see her little sister being born.  And Mommy didn't have to go to the
hospital.
 
 Good Luck.   Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions or would
 like the address for ordering Special Delivery  (I think I've got it
 home somewhere.)

 Michele

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Finger Foods
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.202535.4391@cbnews.cb.att.com> klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:
>
>My daughter is 4.5 months old.  She has been eating solids since the
>beginning of Sept.  (She is a big girl -- 17 lbs, 12 oz at 4 months).  She
>sometimes wants to eat cereal, sometimes not.  She loves vegies, dislikes
>fruits (even though, I've gotten her to eat applesauce by putting it in her
>cereal -- just started this on Monday).

Try bagels, they're  a great source of carbohydrates with little fat.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another question about tantrums
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.133426.23287@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> cmg1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
>(christine.gerveshi) writes:
>>I'm convinced that kids save all their worst behaviour patterns
>>to try out on their mothers.  It's a compliment to the safe
>>and loving relationship we provide. If your daughter will
>>cooperate with a rule laid down by the sitter, that's fine
>>because it keeps your sitter happy, but it doesn't bear any
>>weight as far as YOUR interactions with your child are concerned.

>YES! This happens to me, too. My 19-month-old's tantrums have
>abated for a while, but it used to upset me when the babysitter (caregiver,
>nanny, whatever) would say, "She never does that around *me*."

I felt REALLY good this summer.  I was off on maternity leave, but my
sitter and I sometimes traded days - I would take care of her daughter
for a day, and she would take care of my son another day.  (Both two
years old).  Emily would be good as gold all day, then throw a tantrum
as soon as her mother walked in the door!  So I know now when my son
throws tantrums for me and not for my sitter, that it's not because
she is doing something right and I'm doing it wrong.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.2 years, and Carrie, 3.5 months
From: adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Date: 5 Oct 1992 10:51:49 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Spock, Milk

In article <1992Oct5.145027.13632@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>Did I miss something in this discussion about milk?  It seems like no
>distinction is being made between whole, lowfat, and skim milks, just
>a wholesale condemnation of cow's "milk" in general.  What level of


Another aspect that has not been mentioned is whether or not the milk
has been homogenized. Homogenizing means splitting the long fat-chains
in milk into many short ones. This way cream does not collect on the
top of the milk container. This is done to make milk more attractive
to consumers. During digestion the short fat chains are completely
absorbed into the bloodstream and they are considered more harmful than
the original fat. This would not happen with just pasteurized (not
homogenized) milk. That means that even with lower fat milk more fat
might be absorbed than with untreated milk. 

I was quite surprised to see how touchy people on the net have reacted
about this topic. With many other topics the netters exercise quite a
bit of critical questioning: Why do they want to push baby formula?
Why do they want to give us episiotomies? Why do they want us to drink
that much milk? (oops!) Why are people so passionate about their milk?
When I was pregnant I had to take quite a bit of harassment bacause I
could not get myself to drink more than a glass a day.

Where I grew up (Germany) doctors recommended against consuming more
than two glasses of milk a day. If I remember correctly the concern
was that more might create an ion imbalance. The obvious conclusion to
all these recommendations is to exercise moderation with any
particular food.

   Cheers,

     Angela


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: table corner guards??
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:37:33 GMT

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:23:33 GMT, wolffie@u.washington.edu said:

w> In article <1992Oct1.013029.5449@Princeton.EDU>  
w> smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sara Maxwell) writes:

> I have heard that they make some sort of cover or guard that you can put
> on sharp table corners etc so little toddlers do not whap their heads.

w> Cut a triangular hole in an old tennis ball.   Tape it to the corner of the  
w> table with duct tape.  Don't even think about how you're going to get all  
w> that gooey adhesive off the table later on.

w> Does anybody know how to remove duct tape glue?

Di-Solv-It or Citru-Solv, for a wooden table.  Acetone or nail polish
remover for a glass or metal table.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous