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From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Forest for the trees (Carjacking, was Re: Gun blast noise in a car?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:18 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign


[ a couple of people write:]
#
###6.  If you must frequent dangerous neighborhoods, some Lexan (tm) window
###replacements might be worth considering (anyone know where to get these? 
###What they cost?).
##
#And please don't lose sight of the forrest for the trees...  You are
#much more likely to hit that Lexan with your head in an accident 
#than to need it to stop a bullet.  I'll keep my frangible safety glass,
#thank you.  Car jackings DO require some change of habbits, but don't
#forget to rank your risks by propability, highest first...


I know this is off the gun topic, but it is relevant to this
thread: Wear your seat belt. In terms of risk assessment, I think
you are many hundreds of times, possibly thousands, more likely
to be involved in an auto accident than be car-jacked. Last week
I stopped at 2 freeway accidents, in the first neither the driver
or the passenger was wearing a seatbelt, and both were thrown
from the mini-van. The passenger lived at least long enough for
EMS to get there, I worked on the driver long enough to  be sure
he was DOS. The second accident was a high speed rollover into
the median, but this guy was wearing a belt. He lived. 
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu (JON HALL)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Info wanted: .22 cal. pistols
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:25:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri

I would like to know what you all think of the following
.22 cal. pistols (relatively to one another):
 
* Browning Buck Mark series (including Buck Mark 5.5 & Micro Mark)
* Smith & Wesson 422/622/Outdoorsman(Sportsman?)/2206(?)
* Ruger Target/Mark II/Government
* Beretta 21a
 
-Jon Hall
uc390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: earlw@Apple.COM (Earl Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Cheap case cleaner?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:23:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer/ESD/OSBU/SW Dev/App & Tool Dev


In article <1992Dec19.060353.4880@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#Would an ultrasonic jewlery cleaner work OK on small lots of brass?
#
#I only reload a hundred rounds or two at a crack, and then only on
#an 'every month or two' basis (I shoot a lot of .22 LR ...), and
#can't quite bring myself to spend $200 for a vibratory case
#cleaner (i.e. Turbo Tumbler).
#
#I can get a jewlery cleaner for $30 that would  do lots of 20  ...
#IF it would work...  Any ideas?
#...

I looked thru my catalogs to see what I could find in the case-cleaner
department and here it is (capacity data included when possible):

  Dillon Precision's 1992 Christmas Catalog (1-800-421-7632):

    - Dillon Magnum FL 2000B Vibratory Case Cleaner	2000		$129.95
	(holds 1,300 Pistol, 550 Rifle Cases)
    - Dillon Case-Media Separator			250		$ 44.95
	(holds 1,600 Pistol Cases)
    - Dillon (smaller) Vibratory Case Cleaner		CV500		$ 65.95
    - Dillon (smaller) Case-Media Separator		MS		$ 29.95

  Gander Mountain's 1992 Fall Reloading Catalog (1-800-558-9410):

    - RCBS Vibratory Case Cleaner + Media Sifter	125 H 2761	$ 89.99
	(holds 550 Pistol, 190 Rifle Cases)
    - RCBS Media Sifter					125 H 2752	$  9.99
    - Lyman Turbo 3200 (vibratory) Tumbler		095 H 2903	$159.99
	(holds 1,000 Pistol, 300 Rifle Cases)
    - Lyman Turbo 2200 Auto-Flow (vibratory) Tumbler	095 H 2908	$129.99
	(holds 750 Pistol, 250 Rifle Cases)
    - Lyman Turbo 1200 (vibratory) Tumbler		095 H 2900	$ 89.99
	(holds 300 Pistol, 100 Rifle Cases)
    - Lyman Turbo 1200 Auto-Flow (vibratory) Tumbler	095 H 2924	$119.99
	(holds 300 Pistol, 100 Rifle Cases)
    - Lyman Turbo 600 (vibratory) Tumbler		095 H 2901	$ 69.99
	(holds 150 Pistol, 60 Rifle Cases)
    - Lyman Tubby (vibratory) Tumbler			095 H 2925	$ 49.99
	(holds 125 Pistol, 40-50 Rifle Cases)
    - Tru Square Model 115 (real) Tumbler		187 H 2900	$ 69.99
	(holds 120 Pistol, 50 Rifle Cases)
    - Tru Square Model 140 (real) Tumbler		187 H 2901	$ 99.99
	(holds 600 Pistol, 200 Rifle Cases)
    - Hornady M2 Case (vibratory) Tumbler		073 H 2900	$ 79.99
	(holds 400 Pistol, 180 Rifle Cases)

  Midway's 1992 December Catalog (1-800-243-3220):

    - Midway Model 1292 (vibratory) Tumbler 		317-981		$ 59.95
	(holds 500 Pistol, 185 Rifle Cases)
    - Midway Model 2094 (vibratory) Tumbler 		241-778		$ 99.95
	(holds 1,500 Pistol, 500 Rifle Cases)

I have some older catalogs from other companies, but I didn't see anything
worth mentioning.
From: sean@cae.wisc.edu (Sean Rutledge)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Wyoming Arms
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:15:36 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Does anyone have experience with guns from Wyoming Arms.  I have seen
close-outs on these guns in 10mm, .40, and .45 on 1911 frames for $229.
Are they junk, worth what you pay for, or a good deal at this price.

Thanks,


sean rutledge     "The computer can be a dipper with which to ladle
sean@cae.wisc.edu     out words of truth from a vast ocean of great
                         mysteries...."  Ikuro Choh, Digital Meditation
From: ASTRO::CHURO@cs.hh.ab.com (Bad Karma Leader)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: S&W Jamming Problem
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:53:52 GMT



I wanted to thank those in responding to my posting on my S&W 4506 jamming
problem. To give a more detailed problem to the frequent 1/50-100 rounds was
always a feeding jam. There was no problem ever with the gun ejecting empty
shells. When the gun jams the slide is open and usually the ammo doesn't go in
the chamber, but rather stuck halfway. Some of you who responded said the
feeder needs to be polished. I am not familiar with how to polish my gun to
make it load ammo a lot smoother. Could someone give me a more detailed
description on how to do it?

Many thanks
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Wanted:Lead Shot in Bulk Quantities
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site

Jeffrey D. Spitler (u2100aa@unx.ucc.okstate.edu) wrote:
: I am looking for a source from which to buy a bulk quantity of 
: high-antimony (hard) lead shot. I would like to buy between 250 and 500
: lbs.
: UPS delivery would be prohibitively expensive, so I would
: prefer to find a source that I could drive to.  In the near future,
: Oklahoma, North Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Illinois would be convenient.
                                   ^^^^^^
Simmons Gun Specialties in Spring Hill Kansas has probably the best price
on new lead shot of anyplace I know.  They handle both chilled and magnum
shot and the wholesale (I don't know if they sell retail) price for their 
shot is currently:

  10.25/25# - chilled
  11.25/25# - magnum


This shot is Star shot and the samples I have seen look very good.  I had
one distributor tell me he did an experiment where he drilled #8 sized
holes in the bottom of a coffee can and then ran several different
manufacturers #8 shot through it.  He claimed that in a bag of Star shot,
there were far less wrong size of misformed pellets than in any other
brand.

: On a related note, a few years ago there were some systems for
: making shot at home.  One of them, as I recall dropped shot into
: diesel fuel.  As anyone out there ever tried one?  Are they still 
: available?

I'm fairly sure they are.  Unless you have alot of time on your hands, you
don't want one.  The one person I know who makes his own shot and likes it
has ended up using a water soluable oil instead of diesel fuel because of
the problems involved in cleaning and graphiting the stuff after it's been
in a petroleum based bath.  I can get a manufacturers name if you are
really interested but it sounds like a giant pain.

-Scot
From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Skeet and Sporting Clay
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:34 GMT


In article <9212060831.AA08032@u36.kwnet.on.ca> sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca (Sean P  
Goggin) writes:
# 
# The device is a rigid pouch containing 40 rounds, the rounds drop
# out the bottom in twos at the correct angle so that they can be 
# rapidly loaded. It is worn over the shoulder and hangs on the
# loading side at waist level.
# 
# I don't think there is a similar device on the N.A. market...


Actually, there is exactly such a device advertised in several shotgun  
magazines already, so I would tell your friend it *was* a good idea...    
:-)
From: edward@locutus.dell.com (Edward Godwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Remington 40-XB Questions
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:56:40 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation

In article <BzB8CB.Er8@fc.hp.com>, scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath) writes:
|> Edward Godwin (edward@locutus.dell.com) wrote:
|> : 
|> : Now, I realize how versatile .30-06 is.  Since .300 WinMag is the same bullet
|> : size, it should be almost as versatile (especially with duplex loads).  Plus
|>                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>                                                           What is this?
|> 
|> -Scot
|> 
|> 

I am not sure that I used the correct term.  Email has indicated some confusion
over this.  I intended to indicate the condition where a fast powder is used
to uniformly ignite a much slower powder.  I neither approve nor disapprove
of this practice.  I advise you NOT to attempt this without very carefull
study.  The information in this post is worth what you paid for it.
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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Why no plastic cased .38 special?
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:35:00 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores of the Pacific, California

While staring at soem ACTIV brand 12 guage shells and reading my
newest aquisitions (Cartridges of the World) I got to wondering...

Why are there no {rifle,pistol, revolver} rounds loaded in plastic
cases?  Sure, we have the Aluminum Blazers, but why not plastic?

The ACTIV shells have a steel washer in the base, but is covered
with plastic.  The whole shell is plastic, other than primer and
the imbeded washer.  Shotguns give about 1200 fps.  It looks to me
like any low presure case (like the old blackpowder cases, .45 LC...)
should be OK for the same technology... 


-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lead in brass confirmed, news at 11
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:56:37 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <_6=rmy=@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
#ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

##I feel vindicated now about my earlier discovery that the lead test
##kit found lead in new clean brass ...

#No, you're not off the hook yet.  

I didn't know I was on a hook ...  Though there were some noises
about the kit being suspect since it detected lead where one should
only find brass... and this does show that brass isn't as lilly pure
as was speculated.

#The brass in question is a special
#leaded brass that contains up to about 10% lead by design.  
...
#Since brass is designed to remain fairly hard, I'd imagine lead
#content would be minimized.  
#
#So when is someone going to pick up the phone and call Winchester or
#Remington and ASK what the composition is?

We don't have to.  Someone has already posted that, and the lead
content was stated as somewhere about 1%.  Since the test kit claimed
a sensitivity of a few ppm (I think it was 5 parts per Million) it
is not at all supprising that 1 part in 100 would show.

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:35:09 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <1992Dec15.164446.3378@tvnews.tv.tek.com> toddc@spot.tv.tek.com (Todd Carlson) writes:
#In article <viking.724380552@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
##ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
##
###This is exactly what I would do now.  Engine off.  Hands on the wheel
###at 12 o'clock.  Smile to the officer and ask what he wants you to do,
...snip
##	It's just an opinion, but it strikes me as being a more hazardous
##situation for the officer if he has to approach your car.  Even when I'm
##being pulled over for a simple 60 in a 55 (it was Labor Day weekend), I
##always get out of the car and walk back towards the cruiser. 
#
#..stuff deleted..

#Mike,
^^^^^^ I think you meant 'Dan' ... since I too advocated sitting tight...
#
#When I got my CCW, I took a class put on by the local Sheriff's Dept.,
#and the instructor said just the opposite!  He said officers are
#trained to be the first ones out of the car, as many officer 
#fatalities occur with the patrolman still behind the wheel.

snip snip ...
-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:50 GMT
Organization: CMP Publications, Inc.

When stopped by a police officer--especially in New York City!--HANDS ON THE 
WHEEL. Wait until asked before you take out your wallet, lest the officer be lead 
to believe you're "reaching for something."

Humble Typesetter
From: mailrus!gatech!unmvax!bbx!yenta!ben@uunet.UU.NET (Ben Klausner)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Transporting guns on planes
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:12:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes:

#get a copy of the respective NRA "Your state firearm laws" for
#a "look for myself." The NRA pamphlets are now available electronically
#from the NRA Bulletin Board.

What is the number for the NRA BBS? Thanks.

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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Handgun carry laws while transiting Mass,New Hampshire and Maine
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:25:32 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <1992Dec19.154527.27269@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kkrh@troi.cc.rochester.edu (K. Karcich) writes:
#I am wondering what handgun carry laws are in Maine, Mass, and New Hampshire.
#I would like to bring handguns from New York State, in a locked case, thru
#Mass and New Hampshire to Maine. If anyone knows about this, please E-mail
#me with the info. Thanks.
#
#regds,
#
#Ken Karcich

You can either rely on Federal law (in the case of MA), or get a non-resident
carary permit.  Write for an app to :

 Dept Of Public Safety
 Firearms Records Bureau
 One Ashburton Place
 Boston, MA

     They will accept a copy of your NY permit as proof of a clean 
  record, but you need to apply on the official form.

  NH & ME do not require a permit for in-trunk posession, but you can
  also mail order carry permits :

  NH: NH State Police, Firearms Licensing, Hazen Drive, Concord NH
  ME: Maine State Police, Firearms Licensing, 36 Hospital St, Augusta MA

Of course, check with applicable state police before bringing a gun
into any of these states since my recollections do not constitute
legal advice.

rob boudrie
rboudrie@chpc.org
From: maxxon@swob.nullnet.fi (Mikko Kurki-Suonio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: aimpoint on rifle?
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:31 GMT
Organization: Sweet Oblivion

purtilo@cs.umd.edu writes:

# Anyone have experience putting an Aimpoint (such as the 3000) on a rifle
# (say, AR15 or Mini-14)?  Is it recommended? Useful?  Helpful in low-light
# conditions? Does it survive the extra pounding?  

I have a Tasco ProPoint on my AR15 and I love it. It's fast, it's
natural and great in lowlight.

# I had an informal debate
# recently, where I mentioned interest in things like Trijicon sights on a
# long gun for low light assist, though complained that it is generally only
# good for the first shot (big flash subsequently blows night adaptation.)
# My colleague pointed out that the night sights are things you cannot turn
# off... and may be visible to one's opponent when one least wanted it.  If
# you needed to hide, then you needed to hide the sights too, though he made
# no claim (as I have heard some make) that Trijicon's would be bright enough
# to illuminate you to the opponent.  

The tritium sights are certainly NOT this bright.

# An argument in favor of Aimpoints (or
# the like) would be one could turn it on/off, 

Quite the contrary, IMHO. If you look at a red dot sight at the right
angle, you can see a red glare even though the sight is turned off!
(Some light is required, but in total darkness you won't be shooting at
all anyway). And the switch is not particularly fast to operate.

# and also have a brighter aiming
# point; down side is potential for poorer target ID (you DO have to look
# through a tube and optics, which of course cuts things down a little), and
# the extra "stuff" on a housing would block more of your lateral vision in a
# fast shooting scenario.  Anyway, thanks for anything you can share along
# these lines!

Well, my ProPoint has 30mm tube and I think I have better field of
vision through it than through the norman peep sight.




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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Can a .22 Winchester Magnum revolver fire .22LR cartridge?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:35:40 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <9212150715.AA29283@sumax.seattleu.edu> chan@seattleu.edu (Anthony K.B. Chan) writes:
#I am wondering if it is possible to use .22LR cartridge in .22 Winchester
#Magnum revolver such as the S&W 648 .22 Mag revolver or the Wesson(Dan) 

Absolutely not. Though the .22 LR will chamber in a .22 mag, it's dangerous
to fire. The .22 mag case is slightly larger in diameter than the LR; thus,
the LR will be loose in the mag chamber, and will not be sufficiently
supported. This means that the .22 LR case may rupture when it is fired in
a mag chamber, thus spewing brass and gases about. Don't do it.


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From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Getting FFL
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:54:05 GMT

Well, I watched the 20/20 episode on Friday night regarding federal
firearms licenses (FFLs).  Could an FFL holder please tell me how
accurate the report was?  I would like to know what it takes to get
and use an FFL.  What rights do you give up (can the Feds come
a'searchin whenever they want, and do they ever bother)?

Sounds like a potential FAQ (hint)!

Thanks in advance.

Dana Rigg
Chandler, AZ
rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which SA .45 acp to purchase
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:29:58 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Dec14.201332.24161@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
#In article <9212100000.AA12684@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
##In article <1992Dec7.172628.7363@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org
##(Rob Boudrie) writes:
##
#This "integral ramp bbl" is a virtual requirement on 38 super IPSC guns
#(since it leaves very little case head exposed, thereby allowing use of very
#high pressure rounds), however, it is not all that common on .45 1911 custom
#guns.  In my opinion a gunsmith who claims that this is necessary to get 
#relaible functioning in a .45 is lacking something in the skill department.

	Any smith who makes this claim shouldn't be employed for anything
	at all. I've learned the hard way. Pay the bucks and get a
	Ed Brown or Wilson or _____ and get it done right, the first time.

#
#Presence of this "integral ramp cut" in the stock ParaOrd is a mized blessing.
#If you ever go "full custom", the ramp but may not be *exactly* the size you 
#would want to match a specific make of custom bbl, and will also constrain you
#to "ramped 45 bbl only" (a breed about as uncommon as the unramped 38 super
#bbl).
#

	My smith does conversions back to unramped barrels for $30. It's
	a simple matter of tacking in a piece of steel and shapeing it
	correctly.
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: sjo@sunsrvr1.cci.com (Steve Owens)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm reloading question
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:19:50 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Dec15.220549.17931@henson.cc.wwu.edu> you write:
#bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:
#
##My question is what powder is a good on to work with.  We are going
##to reloading 124gr. jacketed ball ammo for plinking.  I am just
##curious as to which powder of the several each reloading manual uses
##I should try.  What ones have you had success with.
#
#	I've only tried two: Bullseye and Unique.   U is smokey and
#sooty, and much weaker.  BE is much cleaner: less smoke, minimal 
#soot, and gives good velocities with small powder charges.  I use
#the same 4.6 gr BE (lee scoops, I don't bother using a scale for 
#mild plinking ammo), for 9mm with 115, 122, 125, or 147 gr cast or
#jacketed bullets, and for .45 ACP with 225 gr or 160 gr cast bullets.
#They all work just fine and are clean.
#
#BE is the fastest burning powder there is, and the cleanest burning
#from what some other reloaders have told me.

	What about Accurate Arms powders?  Whilst reading many a reloading
article, I've seen AA #7 mentioned quite a bit.

	Also, does anyone have any information on the new Hodgdon (sp?)
powder?  It's supposed to be a pistol powder based on they're Clays
formulation.  Real clean burning.  The article I read (can't remember 
the magazine) said it would be out in January.

#Jim Del Vecchio

							Steve


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