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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Labatts/Molsons up beer prices 2.5% because of wet Ontario summer
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:43:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.014756.15130@mprgate.mpr.ca> mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.184117.1454@rosedale.uucp> dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>>Another interesting thing in this story is that these companies are
>>behaving like *monopolists*.  Nobody else reacts to a sagging
>>market by *raising* prices!  It's certain death in a competitive
>>environment.  Are these companies guaranteed a certain percentage
>>of all beer sales?  Otherwise, all that raising prices would do is
>>reduce their market share more.  (I am operating, of course, on the
>>assumption that mass-produced national beers are fungible and therefore
>>an area of perfect competition - the products are indistinguishable for
>>all practical purposes from their competiton.)
>
>What about gasoline?

Yes, you're right.  Gasoline is a similar product to (mega-brewery) beer.
Necessary for existence in our modern age, essentially a product
with perfect competiton (now that you don't get trading stamps or
dinnerware with your fill-up of gas... or beer :-)  ) and subject to all
the effects of supply and demand.  Of course, gasoline is a lot cheaper
than beer!  And... both are enjoyed in great amounts in motor vehicles
by people under the legal drinking age.  Lowering the (US 21) drinking
age would at least take a lot of one of those fluids out of kids' cars
on Saturday nights.

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From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Subject: Re: 33 -- what does it mean ?!? (Beufort)
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:12:18 GMT

>Has anyone heard the Rolling Rock commercials asking what the 33 on the
>back of the bottle means ?  

I have heard that the original brewer of Rolling Rock bet on a horse with the number 33.  He either 
won the  brewery or enough money to start a brewery.  Check with alt.folklore.urban.

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From: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales) 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: recarbonating beer?
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

CP>I have a question for any homebrewers out there.
CP>Have any of you tried recarbonating beers by openeing them up
CP>and re-sugaring them?
CP>My problem is that I brewed an oatmeal stout, and am
CP>not happy with the carbonation.  I was thinking of trying to add  more
CP>sugar and letting it sit another week.
CP>Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks

I've never tried it myself but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't
work (apparently you can sometimes cultivate yeast from the sediment or
even the the beer itself if you like the taste of a particular variety).
I can think of one suggestion though:  recarbonate the whole batch
rather than trying to add sugar to each of the bottles.  You'd have a
better chance of getting uniform carbonation (and some active yeast if
available).  Let me know if it works.
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: New Hampshire Breweries
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:27:08 GMT
Organization: New York University

We are planning a Labor Day trip to the White Mountains in New Hampshire.
Does anyone have any tips on microbreweries in the area which we could 
visit?  Also, any tips on good local beers to try.

Please respond via e-mail.

Thanks, 

Emily
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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Distribution: usa, na, world
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:20:48 GMT

>
>>Guiness                    Other Stouts                Everything else
>
>Now there's a man with broad tastes!  Too bad he can't spell the
>name of the only beer he really likes, though!!


Yeah... What *is* it with the word GuiNNess?  I've seen it spelled
with one 'N' everywhere from catalogs (Guinness beer taps 8^) to 
bar menus...  "Read the label" folks.

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From: david@master.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Girafs in Denmark
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:50:52 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago, Department of Anatomy


	I recently had a malt liquor called Giraf, brewed in Denmark.
It was pretty good, but the interesting thing was that on the label it
said "By appointment to the court of Denmark" (I think I got hte quote right.


I can just see the Danish royalty kicking back with a malt liquor after a 
hard day of monarching.  Maybe we should send them some Colt 45 -- after all,
it works every time !  Perhaps we could even send Billy Dee too -- one way.

					-D.H.

P.S.  Are the any giraffes in Denmark ?
From: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Stubbies
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales)
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

PT>>DB>there was something, ...I don't know..., *nostalgic* about the
PT>>DB>Canadian stubbies

PT>>thought that one of our nationals (Molson springs to mind) should start
PT>>bottling Molson Canadian in the old bottles as part of their "Molson,
PT>>what beer's all about" campaign.  You know, traditionalism and all that.

PT>Tradition, Nostalga - HELL.  I just want the stubbies back because then
PT>you don't have to worry about mixing bottle types in a case.  When I'm
PT>bottling, now I have to pick out 60 bottles OF THE SAME BRAND to wash
PT>and get ready for bottling, and find boxes for the same brand.  Before,
PT>24 bottles of any type would fit in a 24 box from any type.  And it
PT>would take up a lot less room than a 24 of one of those long neck yuppy
PT>beers does these days.

PT>(Don't get me started on twist-offs yet - I don't like those either,
PT>although they can be damned handy for drinking.)

Hi Paul.  Actually I wasn't thinking about bottling homebrew, I was just
reminiscing.  One question:  you are obviously using glass bottles for
your beer.  I've heard varying things about using plastic bottles (so
far I've had good luck but I'm relatively new at this) - Can you shed
some light on the whole dispute?
                                        -Dave-
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From: cst@bork.nist.gov (Charles S. Tarrio)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:18:45 GMT
Distribution: alt.beer

In article <92245.232418DLM155@psuvm.psu.edu> DLM155@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I also think that Belhaven Scotch Ale is an excellent beer, yet I didn't  
care
> for Thomas Hardy's or McEwans....
> I have been looking for a distributer who sells Belhaven but can't find  
one..
> Can anyone suggest a relatively common, similar alternative?

I have to agree with you about Belhaven.  It's not nearly as sweet as most
Scotch ales, and not as bitter as many English ales.  I don't think there  
are any similar alternatives, much less relatively common ones.

charles
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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Pete's
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:32:54 EDT

Re: Pete's: I do like the Wicked Ale. Has a zesty flavor all its own.
I wasn't overly impressed by the Gold Coast Lager, however. Didn't
strike me as very distinctive....

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From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Paulaner...
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:51:26 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)


i don't know if it was paulaner what i 
drunk in the englischer garten, but it 
was one of the worst beers i ever tried
to drink (i gave it to a pal). bah!

paulaner helles (bottles) isn't any 
better, IMO.

about 3 weeks ago we did a beer-test
(objective competition mode) and tested
about 10 beers from berlin (pils) against
10 from munich (helle) and 5 non-regional
beers like jever. all munich beers except
one got low points (by all 4 testers).
From: milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brewmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Greetings to all!
I once had a bottle of Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale, and have been pursuing
another for quite a while.  I live in Athens, Ga. and it is impossible to
obtain here.  Few people have even heard of it.  Anybody know where I can 
go to obtain this stuff?
Thanks.

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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Girafs in Denmark
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.154220.27330@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.235052.1@master.uchicago.edu>
>david@master.uchicago.edu (Master of Disaster) writes:
>
>>P.S.  Are the any giraffes in Denmark ?
>
>Only in the Copenhagen zoo... (-: because there really isn't any zoo
>in Copenhagen).  But then, I don't think they have elephants in
>Belgium either.  Isn't that where Elephant Lager comes from?
>


	Nope.  It's from Denmark, too.  I can't remember off hand whether its
Carlsberg or Tuborg that brews it though.  Doesn't really matter, I suppose,
since the two have an agreement wherein they each brew both companies' beers.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Girafs in Denmark
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:42:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.235052.1@master.uchicago.edu>
david@master.uchicago.edu (Master of Disaster) writes:

>P.S.  Are the any giraffes in Denmark ?

Only in the Copenhagen zoo... (-: because there really isn't any zoo
in Copenhagen).  But then, I don't think they have elephants in
Belgium either.  Isn't that where Elephant Lager comes from?

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From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:37:40 GMT

mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:


>hi,
>    i'll be in CA soon and want to know 
>which beers i should test and which i 
>should avoid to drink. i prefer bitter
>pils (no 'sweet' ones) like jever. thanx
>for any recommendations/warnings.

>- tB!

Well.... One that I like is the Anchor Steem beer (Anchor Brewing Co)
You cant compare it with Jever but its very good. In general I think
youll have problem finding any domestic beer that tastes like Jever
or Urquell.
A nice one on a hot day is a Corona (mexican) served with a piece of
lime in it. Not much taste but a great cooler.

	Have fun

		Tomas
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From: phughes@dewey.NMSU.Edu (HUGHES)
Subject: Student writing paper on Microbreweries, looking for info sources.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:07:07 GMT

	I'm a grad student at New Mexico State University, and will be writing  
a paper for a Production and Operations Management class about microbreweries.  
I'm in the middle of "B.F.E" in Southern New Mexico (which is pretty darn nice  
for the grand majority of things, but when it comes to beer, you can't even  
find a pint of Guinness on draught! The favorite beer here is Sewers Light),  
and haven't found much info around here. 

	What I'm hoping to concentrate on are the differences in production  
processes, etc. between microbreweries and those large breweries that mostly  
sell us "Wet Air" (Michael Jackson's euphemism for Miller Lite). If there is  
anyone out there from UC Davis or one of those other schools with brewing  
studies, or microbrewery consultants I'd love to hear from you. Overall,  
hearing from any of you fellow hop-heads would be helpful and much appreciated.  
Thanx in advance. 

				Slainte,

				Paul Hughes
				NMSU
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How strong is U.S. beer - Serious [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S.
Date: 28 Aug 1992 23:26:32 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.cs.brown.edu

In article <5996@transfer.stratus.com>, leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
|> Neat list, but why do many of the beers have two figures listed?
|> Many of the beers that require two lines to describe have a figure
|> on both lines.  And they don't agree.
|> 
|> Mark

You'll also notice that a few entries actually have more numbers next to them
than entries with two lines.... ie the beer took two lines to list, but there
are four lines of figures.

How should we read this?

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: FAQ?? (was Home Brew!!)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 23:48:29 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <Bu0Kry.CpK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v086jxa4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (EVAN) writes:
>>Hello to everyone!  I am getting interested in the hobby of Home Brewing.
>>I was wondering if someone can send me information on how I can get started.
>>Are there any mail order catalogs? ETc.
>>
>>Any information will be greatly appreciated!!
>>
>>-Evan
>

>i also know that Dan Brown has an automated post of the charter for this
>group, which is a great intro.  however, i think lots of people don't
>see this as a FAQ and don't/won't read it.  so, any opinions?
>
>peace,
>-purna
>
>p.s. if there IS a FAQ for this group, then i have never seen it and
>would like the keeper of it to send me a copy.  i would also like
>to apologize for taking up net.bandwidth with worthless info if this
>happens to be true, as well.

Well... if you read the automated post, you would see that you can get
a copy of the faq from the "achive site" which is ftp.cwru.edu. Things
are a bit out of date, since I haven't had time to work on them, but...
its there!

later.
Dan


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From: holdensj@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (STEPHEN J HOLDEN)
Subject: Re: Girafs in Denmark
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:03:05 GMT

In article <BtvDDC.71K@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.175253.3696@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>>>Belgium either.  Isn't that where Elephant Lager comes from?
>>>
>>      Nope.  It's from Denmark, too.  I can't remember off hand whether its
>>Carlsberg or Tuborg that brews it though.  Doesn't really matter, I suppose,

Doesn't really matter because the two are one.  The conglomerate is known
as United Breweries I believe.

>   Elephant is made by the Carlsberg breweries.  However, if I remember
>correctly, Elephant is categorized as a Malt Liquor rather than a Lager,
>but I'm just being picky, as usual...

Malt Liquor is a north american classification and relates to alcohol 
content, not the style of beer.  I believe that all the malt liquors here 
are lager styles (i.e., bottom fermenting yeast).  Elephant is a lager.

Stephen
From: christea@dhhalden.no (CHRISTER ANDR JAKOBSEN)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Really good beer!
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:14:49 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <olemo.1@dhhalden.no> olemo@dhhalden.no (OLE-MAGNUS OLSEN) writes:

>In article <guest.14@dhhalden.no> guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:

>>If you want to know it, the town of Fredrikstad, in Norway is the right 
>>place to go.
>>The local brewery "Fredrikstad Bryggeri" produces some of the most extremely 
>>good beer there is to get (pardon me for never having tasted unlicensed-
>>brewed Austrlian beer).
>>Most of their different products are of lager-taste, with alcoholpercentage 
>>ranging between 4,5% and 7%, with the strongest, being christmas-beer that 
>>is, averaging on 8%.
>>So don't delay!
>>Your trip will repay! (when refreshing on the delicious Fredrikstad-pils)
>>By the way, when it comes to more international beers, I would prefer 
>>Carlsberg or Amstel, wich is allmost as good as Norwegian beer.

>That "Fredrikstad Bryggeri" produces extremely good beer is true, but the 
>brewery in the neighbourtown Sarpsborg, "Borg Bryggerier" brews even better 
>beer. Borg Bryggerier owns Fredrikstad Bryggeri.

>Local patriot Dag Thalberg (dagt@dhhalden.no) - borrowing a friend's account

Piss off Dag, and drink your piss-beer for yourself!
Kid-justing!
From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:53:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

DLM155@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>I have been looking for a distributer who sells Belhaven but can't find one..
>Can anyone suggest a relatively common, similar alternative?

	I once had Grant's Scottish Ale (a microbrew from somewhere around
the middle of the US) and thought it was quite nice and a good copy of the
malty Scottish ales.  I had it a second time and was substantially less
impressed.  I'm not sure what that means except that I'll probably have to
try it a third time.  At any rate you might want to try it if you can find
it.  It seems more prevelant around the DC area than Belhaven.

	The bottom line, though, is that if you want to try really good
Scottish beer you have to go to Scotland and get it out of the tap.  It just
doesn't bottle worth a darn.  IMHO, of course.  If you ever do get the
chance to go to Scotland, Caldonia 70' is my personal favourite.

	Slainj
		-m.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: recarbonating beer?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:32:55 GMT

I have a question for any homebrewers out there.
Have any of you tried recarbonating beers by openeing them up
and re-sugaring them?
My problem is that I brewed an oatmeal stout, and am
not happy with the carbonation.  I was thinking of trying to add  more
sugar and letting it sit another week.
Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks

			Chris
 
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:01:34 GMT
Distribution: usa, na, world
Organization: A.I. Chem Lab, University of Arizona

In article <binkley.714779232@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>
>
>>Heaven <-------             Drinkable             --------> Hell
>
>>Guiness                    Other Stouts                Everything else
>
>Now there's a man with broad tastes!  Too bad he can't spell the
>name of the only beer he really likes, though!!
>
>
>Jon

You're right.  I did misspell it.   Now I feel bad.  I'll bet you feel
bad because you made me feel bad.   But if you bought me a pint of 
Guinness, I'd feel better!   Then you'd feel better too.
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From: an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic)
Subject: new Beer Games index (8/31/92)
Reply-To: tgolobic@indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:59:29 GMT



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From: Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE (Helge Oldach)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:29:20 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany
Originator: he@sup

wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg) writes:
| EKU and Spaten.  I am curious to hear from some Germans (or people who are
| knowledge about German culture) regarding the stature  of these brands within
| Germany.

I'm from northern Germany (Hamburg), and the Northern's usually prefer
the more tasty and bitter brands, such as Beck's, Holsten, Jever,
Flensburger, etc. EKU and Spaten are Bavarian brands (brewed in Kulmbach
and Munich, respectively) which are even lighter than the brands from
the western part of Germany (Nordrhein-Westfalen).

| Are they are mass produced  and  present  in most German bars (like
| Bud/Coors/Miller in American  bars)?

In the south, they are sort of mass products and available virtually
everywhere, but it can even be difficult to get them here in the north.

| Do  most Germans consider these brands
| excellent or are there other brands which are held in higher regard?

Well, I dislike these brands as I really prefer the bitter ones. Usually
one does not regard them as high-class products, but more for the masses.
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