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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: WASHINGTON SUCKS SHIT!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:09:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>You know....I really love the Redskin-Cowboy games. I look forward to
>them each year because I know they will be great games. Most Dallas
>fans I have found to be quite reasonable (they just root for the
>wrong team :-)  ). However, fans like this really put a pall on an
>otherwise enjoyable event.

I know you obviously seem to understand this, but many don't.  I'm a
big Cowboys fan.  However, given the circumstances, I'd say the call 
could have gone either way.  I know when I was watching the game, as
far as I was concerned, I thought it was a valid Redskins touchdown.  The
only people the Cowboys and fans alike have to blame for this loss, is:

  Aikman, Irvin, Smith, the offensive line on the last drive.

The people the Redskins should thank are:

  Aikman, Irvin, Smith, the offensive line on the last drive.
  D. Green (?Irvin's fumble) , the guys who sacked Aikman on the last drive, 
  the definsive guys who caused and recovered the ball in the endzone.


ON THE OTHER HAND ...

People, J.G.,  are drawing the conclusion that since Dallas lost, Washington
is the better team.  I can't say this.  I still think that as it stands
right now, the Cowboys are the better team.  When the Cowboys beat the
Redskins last year, I didn't think the Cowboys were the better team. 
Was Dallas the better team when they were 1-15 and beat the Skins ?
I don't think so.    

Dallas will still win the NFC east and will HOPEFULLY, although it would have
been nice to have had it in Dallas, face the 9'ers in Candlestick for the NFC 
championship.  

			-Ron


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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Andre Ware is Baaaaaaad!!!!!
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:31:13 GMT

In article <92348.2117493ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>The Lions will be a new football team be cause Andre Ware & Company (Barry
>Sanders & the Lions) are going to wreak havoc on the NFL. 

They're never going to wreak havoc until they get rid of the run and shoot. 
I can't tell you the number of times I've seen Sanders get stuffed in the 
backfield because of the lack of a blocking back. 
	They use the run and shoot to produce a lot of offense, but they are 
shooting themselves in the foot, and are reducing the length of Barry 
Sanders career by the use of four wide-outs. They don't produce nearly as 
much offense as say, San Fran or Buffalo, because they don't have an 
effective running game. (Can you say BLOCKER!) How many 100yd games has 
Barry had this year anyway? He certainly has dropped from the picture as far 
as feature backs go. Hasn't he. . .
	I predict that Wayne Fontes, Jerry Glanville and the Run'n'shoot 
will be gone from the league by 1994.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
==============================================================================
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.230639.11568@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>BTW, I lightly claimed after the usual 'cha-choke' in Candlestick that
>if the Niners were playing the best ball right now, the Saints were a
>close second.  Seems to be holding true.  The Saints O is vastly
>improving  -- note FIVE OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS in Anaheim Sunday, 3
>rushing, 2 passing.  Quit listening to what the sports media is saying,
>"Saints.....great DEE....lousy O."  In fact, not even the media is
>saying it these days.  The only problem heading into the playoffs is
>psychological, IMHO.  If the Saints win, sloppy or not, in the Wildcard
>at the Dome, it could be KATY BAR THE DOOR FOR THEM NINERS!!  

I hate to bring up the notion of level of competition, but somehow
getting worked up over the Aints' offensive performance against
the turnover-prone Lambs is akin to pointing to the Niners' snuffing
of the Fins in the Mud Bowl last week.

JJ -

Both teams are weak in areas.  They will continue to be for the remainder
of the season.  The Aints will go as far as their defense can overcome
the ineptness of their QB.  I don't think that translates to the Big
Dance for the Big Easy.

But maybe the Aints will make some progress and maybe win a playoff game.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: THE BET III - preliminary list - DEADLINE TUESDAY!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:53:31 GMT

THE BET III:

>AFC Bettors: 20
>NFC Bettors: 19
>Total Bettors: 39

Make that even with 20 for the NFC.  I'm in.  

-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: 10 reasons why the Raiders suck
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.181752.2826@bmerh85.bnr.ca> mjmcgee@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Mark McGee) writes:
>If someone out there can give me any good reason to be a
>Raider fan ( besides Raiderettes ) I 'd like to hear it.
>Help me... I'm considering becoming a Dallas Cowboy Fan!!!!!
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the best reason I can think of for staying a Raider fan.

:-)

===============================================================================
Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
                          WLAF: Go, Go, Glory!
                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
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From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
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Subject: Re: Determining Schedules (was Re: Can Eagles still win NFC East?)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:20:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <BzFyqr.1yv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mike) writes:
>Does anyone know how schedules for the next year are determined?
>I had thought that the strength of next year's schedule was based on your record
>If that is true then why do the Cowboys, who made the playoffs last year, play 
>Atlanta and the Rams, who are in the bottom of the NFC WEST, while the Eagles
>played San Francisco and New Orleans, the top two?

I think whoever are making these schedules are also trying to pick what they
think are good matchups. For example 49ers v.s. Giants, Bills v.s. Raiders,
Raiders v.s. Dolphins, and I guess 49ers v.s. Eagles. For this reason the
Eagles have played the 49ers 3 times out of the last 4 seasons. 

-Teh Kao
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Saturday Scores
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:48:20 GMT

Denver  17  Bills  27
Giants   0  Cardinals 19
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: rainer@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer)
Subject: Barry Word?
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:32:15 GMT


the problem is what do the entire team of the chiefs in this game. I can 't 
understand how a team like the patriots could make 20 points against the great 
chiefs. I hope the Deffence will change in the playoff . This is the opinion
of disappointed chiefsfan from good old germany.
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:00:21 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: ibsnat@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon Tsuji)
Subject: Re: Picks from HI
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:29:39 GMT

 
>> 22. Colts        ( 7- 7- 0)   -4.09    6.9/20.1
>> 23. Packers      ( 8- 6- 0)   -4.14   10.1/16.0
>> 24. Buccaneers   ( 4-10- 0)   -4.48   12.8/14.6
>> 25. Bengals      ( 4-10- 0)   -5.42   11.0/14.0
>> 26. Cardinals    ( 4-10- 0)   -6.53    9.5/12.0
>> 27. Seahawks     ( 2-12- 0)   -8.20    3.5/13.2
>> 28. Patriots     ( 2-12- 0)   -9.09   12.0/14.1
>> 
>>Good Luck,
>>Daniel
>I think your computer is in desperate need of repair.  Of course since it only
>does what you tell it to I have to wonder if you have something against the
>Packers.  They beat the Oilers, in the Oilers House of Shame, and they get
>stuck barely above teh Buccaneers!?  Come on, if your going to write a program
>and post it's results, at least write a good one.  No offense, but 98-82 is
>none too hot.    
>
>PS what's the power column (and why are the Packers going down on it?)
>
>-Chris C.
 
Well, Chris I have nothing against ANY of the teams in the NFL.  (Although,
I would like to see either the Cowboys or the 49ers win the SB this year,
since I bet on them at 10-1 and 6-1, respectively, after the last SB in
Vegas.)
 
Basically, I use my power ratings to help me handicap football games.  I
try to use it to help me find "errors" in the established line that I can
take advantage of.  Once I find these "errors" in the line, I try to figure
out why?  Is there some injury to a key player?  Does one team match up well
with the other?  etc...
 
The predictions made by my program are based strictly on the statistics of
a team, not who they beat, etc...and I just post them for any who may be
interested.
 
Regardless, as you stated 98-82 is none too good and I'm always on the
lookout for interesting ideas to improve my equations...
 
As far as the Packers are concerned, we can take a look at some of their
stats:
 
                       Sacked                                 Yds/Pass
Rank Name          TO  /Sacks   Rush yds   Pass yds    SE     Completion
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
23.  Packers        0  39/ 31    101.9      206.4     5.58    9.54(25)
     Opponents                   109.6      198.6     5.93   11.93(24)
 
Although, they have won their last 5 games, statistically, they have not
been impressive.  They still have given up more points (256) then they have
scored (241), been sacked more than they sack opps., and they seem to give
up the big play more than they make them.
 
-Daniel
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From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes)
Subject: Re: Gannon's stupidity costs the Vikes.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:18:59 GMT

In article <Bz83tv.D3q@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>play Allen gains 3 yards.  In  the second play, instead of
>continuing the running play Gannon goes to pass and gets
>sacked.....loss of yardage.  But the *idiot* does not
>learn....He again goes for the pass on the 3rd down....
>gets sacked near the 50 yard line putting the Vikes out
>of FG range.

the idiot is not Gannon, if anyone's to blame, it is the offensive
coord. and / or the head coach who call the plays, unless it's an audible.
the QB s don't get to call plays by themselves, not usually at least. i know
john elway does that sometimes, and he's i think one of the best QBs in the
league(though i hate the Broncos) .

>As for the O, the less said the better.  I am plain pissed.
>Atleast, Salsbury threw for completions...But Gannon
>......EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS!!!!!!!!

i watched Salisbury play against the eagles, he wasn't that impressive either.
maybe the vikes should look for a QB in next year's draft?

>Sorry , had to get this out of my system.

me too.
>
>S.H
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cajun Voodoo Beware Buffalo Woofer
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:44:41 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <BzGsuy.K9K@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chester H Zeshonski) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.035530.13879@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes...
>>In article <1992Dec16.162638.590@b8.b8.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>> 
>>> Sounds like JJ wins this one. Mr. Zimmers is either:  (choose one)
>>>
>>>                         A. Blind
>>>                         B. Dumb
>>>                         C. 49ers fan
>>>                         D. All of the above
>> 
>>Blind?  A bit nearsighted, perhaps, but still have the visual acuity to
>>observe Hebert's coughs at QB.

Mike, better be careful. Flaming humble 'Ain'ts fans invites evil voodoo
incarnations which are knwon to manifest themselves on the field. There
is alot of weird magick in Louisiana and The Football Gods key on it.

> 
> Hey!  Bobby Hebert is the best QB ever to play this game!  If you can't say
> something nice about a man like that, I suggest you say nothing at all.
> 


This statement is equally dangerous. From the last two comments I 
predict that the game is going to be error prone, with both sides
blowing big opportunities, but fate is on the side of the Ain'ts because
the Buffalo woofer started it.

Ain't by 2. 26-28 NO.

-Garrett

>>-- 
>>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
> 
> 					---Chet Zeshonski
> 					(bear mora's love child)




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From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Muldog)
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:04:22 GMT

In article <BzFFM5.HEn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>Browsing through this week's NFL statistics on clarinews, I noticed
>that the Niners achieved a feat last achieved by the '82 Chargers.
>
>Off Passing yards:  1st
>Def Passing yards:  28th
>
>The good ole days:  Fly the Friendly Skies: Air Coryell.
>The Bolts didn't win the SuperBowl with Dan Fouts (quite possibly, one
>of the greatest to toss a football) , Chandler, Joiner, and everyone else.
>
>The secondary wasn't bad.  They had names like Bruce Laird, Tim Fox, etc.
>It's just they were good at giving up yards, lots of yards.
>The 1983 Handbook of Pro Football labelled them the 'Ladies of Charity'.
>
>They're back!   I don't know too much about those Niners, so if you think
>Eric Davis plays half as good as his washed-up baseball namesake does, 
>go ahead and enlighten us.  But, its hard to listen to 'reason' when
>the facts state so clearly, 
>
>"The Niners are awful!"    No more Ronnie Lott-types to win a SB with.
>Sure, they do a lot of things well, but who would trust the Ladies of
>Charity with the defense against Jim Kelly and Buffalo (who beat them 34-31),
>or Dan Marino (Clayton, Duper, Jackson).
>
>I wouldn't be surprised if Andre Ware and da Lions throw for 300 yards.
>
>Mark A. Blickhan    ---  Go Lions ---  Should have beat the 49ers in '83.
>
>
>

	Yeah, considering that MOST teams cannot run against the
  9'ers, what else are they gonna do but pass?  Also, the Niners
  schedule has been mainly pitted against passing teams.  Their own
  divisional rivals ( Atlanta, Rams, and even Saints )  rely mainly
  on the pass.  To round out the niners schedule, the played each
  divisonal rival twice plus the Eagles, Dolphins and Bills, each with
  a strong passing game but little or no running game. ( except the 
  bills, but then again, we did lose that one :(  )
	Fact is, the 9'ers have yet to play a team with powerhouse 
  running game. (Sf against the Cowboys would have been interesting)
  	I agree that SF's pass defense isn't that great, but it isn't
  as bad as the stats show.  They are 12-2........

	K-->

P.S.  Wish the 9'ers would ask Santa for a pass rusher for X-mas :)

	
  
-- 

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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: PAck can have the Central
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:07:44 GMT



Looks like the possibility of a Central Division show-down
is more probable.  If the Vikes keep playing offense like they
did today.... I say the PAck deserves to go to the play-offs
and the Vikes can learn some lessons.

But I still will hope for the best..  Who's the 3rd stri g
QB anyway?   :-)

-- 
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:10:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer news:  TMs dog killed
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 DEC 92 14:36:29    

In article <1g7quoINN3nh@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes...

>In article 1882@macc.wisc.edu, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>> Tony Mandarich's German Shepherd dog was shot in a field near his home 
>> in Pulaski, a small town about 30 miles from Green Bay.  Mandarich 
>> declined to comment until the police investigation was done.  There's 
>> no way to know, unless they catch the guy, whether the dog was shot 
>> because it was TM's dog or just because lots of things wandering around 
>> outside this time of year - including people - get shot.
> 
>Damn those German Shepards look an awfule lot like deer.  So do
>dem cows......  :-)
> 
>Seen a bunch of orange deer lately.  I might have to bag me one of those too......

Look out fellow Cheeseheads!  

It's another Bear fan comin' up to go a-huntin'.   :-)

JGH
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