HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kathrynw@radian.UUCP (Kathryn Whitworth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: merpeople
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:36:18 GMT


Thanks for the responses.

I (attempted to) mail a correction for my mg >> % error, don't know if it
got out:   4 - 5 mg/L should be 0.004 - 0.005%.

I am assuming that the merpeople are warm-blooded -- they aren't *my*
merpeople, so I don't know for sure yet.  *I* would have had them function
the same way other aquatic mammals do, by surfacing to breathe.

I think I've run across theories that you need the higher metabolic rate of
a warm-blood to develop intelligence.  
   Does anyone know how intelligent octopi are?  As smart as a dog, maybe?

These merpeople do live in oceans rather than freshwater.

Within these limitations, it seems that they would need to be able to pull
O2 from sea-water without the salt frying their gills.  This would imply a
different amount of salts in the bloodstream, would it not?  Otherwise
osmosis would do them in?

The merpeople are also amphibious; again, I have trouble with supporting
both lungs and gills and looking mostly human.

Sharks have to move all the time, else their gills don't work and they die.
Fish pump water through their mouths and out their gills.  What *do* octopi
do?

*Superluminal*, hmm?  I'll go back and take a look at it.  Though I have not 
been greatly impressed by McIntyre's science in the past.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth 
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From: tim@nijinsky.ipac.caltech.edu (Tim Conrow)
Subject: Re: Evolution under High Gravity
Organization: California Institute of Technology
	<1992Aug14.023829.9155@news.columbia.edu>
	<doom.714038580@elaine36.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Aug17.093847.1@skcla.monsanto.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.093847.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:


   Sure the tendency will be for ground hugging, but remember that anything which
   DOES overcome the height limitations will have an advantage (as well as a
   vantage), in that it can spot enemies and prey, can expand to absorb more
   radiation, etc.

   Besides, look at our own world.  We have creatures that hug the ground, and
   hundreds-feet high trees.  What is tall or short?  Why aren't there
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   40-foot-high dinos anymore?  We can't blame that on gravity.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Joel
   -- 
   jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com


Sure we can; gravity brought that big, nasty comet down on them!!! ;-)

-- Tim
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science,talk.origins
Subject: Re: Evolution under High Gravity
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:27:12 GMT
Followup-To: talk.origins
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

In article <1992Aug17.093847.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
}Besides, look at our own world.  We have creatures that hug the ground, and
}hundreds-feet high trees.  What is tall or short?  Why aren't there
}40-foot-high dinos anymore?  We can't blame that on gravity.

Don't know if I should tell you this, but...

That is EXACTLY what TAlbottians & Velikovsites (personified by Ted Holden)
believe.  The gravity on earth changed.
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Superconductors
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:37:56 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:

>In article <pjh.714219820@nessi> pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben) writes:
>>neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:
>>>I've stored
>>>electrical energy. I happen to have stored it in a magnetic field, but so
>>>what? Does a rechargeable battery store electrical energy or chemical
>>>energy?
>>
>>You have stored _energy_ in the magnetic field, not _electrical_energy_.
>>"Energy may be freely converted from one form to another." [Who said that?]
>>
>   We're arguing semantics at this point. What is 'electrical energy'? It
>isn't the kinetic energy of the electrons in the wire, it isn't really
>even something you can specifically Poynt at [I know, groan].

What I was saying was that it doesn't really matter how the energy in
the coil is stored, you can get electrical energy out of it.

>   To draw a mechanical analogy to the paraphrased sentence after the
>blank line above:
>   "It is impossible to store mechanical energy in water above a dam
>because mechanical energy is 1/2 m * v^2 and the velocity is zero once
>you've let it sit. The energy is therefore stored in the gravitational
>field." 

This is true - it is stored as potential energy.

>I maintain that this is a somewhat artificial separation, since
>you couldn't store the energy in the gravitational field without a mass,
>and as such it is a misleading distinction.

Why is it? The water has mass but not velocity therefore its K.E. _is_
zero and its potential energy (given the fact that it is in a
gravitational field) is not. You can, of course, convert the P.E. to
K.E. (open the sluices) then to rotational K.E. (get it to drive a
turbine) and then to electrical energy (add a generator to the
turbine). You cannot say that there is electrical energy stored in the
dam but you can use the potential energy of the water to generate
electricty (pluss some heat and some sound energy).

Philippa

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Merpeople
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:31:50 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1517@lysator.liu.se>, matoh@lysator.liu.se (Mats \hrman) writes:
> u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Timothy D Little) writes:
> 
>>However, your original problem would presumably be that gills could
>>not support a mammal the size of a human, underwater.  (Correct me if
>>not)
> 
> Better would be to look at *fish* with a mass larger than or equal to
> a human, for exampes sharks. What percentage of a shark's volume is
> gills? Could you fit that volume into a human neck/ribcage? Would a
> "human" survive on a shark's metabolic rate?
> 
Perhaps the issue is not just size when it comes to metabolism.  Large 
sharks are certainly very active in the water and can be much larger 
than humans.  Perhaps the issue is one of intelligence.  Whales and 
dolphins are probably more "intelligent" (don't ask me to define that) 
than sharks, and a warm-blooded, while sharks and other large fish are 
cold-blooded.  Is warm-blooded-type metabolism necessary for the 
evolution of higher brain functions?  Is air-breathing a prerequisite 
for warm-blooded metabolism?  If the answer to both of these is yes, 
then merpeople will have to be warm-blooded air-breathers.  This, of 
course, assumes only known biochemistry of metabolism and neural 
processes.  Are the neural processes of cold-blooded animals 
qualitatively different from those of warm-blooded animals?  Need a 
physiologist or zoologist here.  I'm just a dumb chemist.



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From: janowsky@math.rutgers.edu (Steven Janowsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Superconductors, the last word please
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:50:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Would you idiots stop arguing about whether the energy in a
superconducting coil is electrical or magnetic in nature?  Perhaps you
recall Maxwell, Einstein et al?

Next you'll be arguing over `the photon: wave or particle?'

SJ
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From: ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs])
Subject: Re: Superconductors
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:28:12 GMT

ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin) writes:
: > Supercomputers today are almost limited by the speed of light - electrons
: > travel at a finite speed, and there is a measureable distance from one
: > transistor in a computer to the other, and I'm not quite sure what
: the effect superconductors will have on this, from memory.
: 
: The effect is what you already noted -- speed. Superconducting elements
: produce no heat, so you can pack bigger globs of them closer together
: without disastrous heat build-up. Close-together parts means less signal
: delay, which means the machine will work faster.

Until the stage is reached where the parts cannot be put together
any closer. It is easily conceivable that the stage is reached where
tracks are layered atom by atom (and then other Quantum effects start
taking over - like Electron Tunnelling), so the density is limited.
Again, current technology can put 1.1 Million transitors on a chip,
but that is not decided by the heat, but rather manufactoring processes.

When better lithography processes are used to layer chips, then this
benefit you mention about higher densities will come about, without the
help of superconductors. Visible light Lithography isn't used any more,
and X-Rays have a limited resolution, so perhaps they will start etching
with Gamma radiation?

: --Z
: 
: "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."

Aaron Wigley

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From: steinly@opal.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace,rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: WorldCon Memebership available
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:13:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
NNTP-Posting-Host: opal.ucsc.edu


	Am posting for a net-shy friend:

Available one WorldCon membership, asking price $95 obo
Please e-mail to below address and I'll forward the info.

 reply-to: "steinly@helios.ucsc.edu"

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From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Wanted 1976 Topps Star Trek Stickers
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:52:48 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

I am in need of a full set of the Topps 1976 star trek stickers to go
along with my set of the cards. If you have one you would be willing
to part with, please e-mail your price/trade requirements.

Thanks.


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    2832 Laport Dr.       | someone else, it comes from me. Leave it mine
Mounds View, MN 55112     | and blame me, not others, if you don't agree.
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From: wlee@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Wan Ngai Wayne Lee)
Subject: Tittle/author of a novel wanted
Originator: wlee@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:27:56 GMT

I am posting the following for a friend.  Replies will be forwarded.
================================================================================
      name: Lee, Wan Ngai
      mail: 2121 E. Newport Ave., Milwaukee, WI, 53211
     phone: (414) 963-4157
  internet: wlee@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
compuserve: >internet:wlee@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


================================================================================
Can anyone please tell me the title or author of an espionage novel
published around 1989?  The novel was by a first-time author, and was
about two CIA satellite photo interpreters who carried out their own
diving expedition after they noticed something (submarine?) underwater.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
From: mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Visor needed!
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.160945.6563@Princeton.EDU> mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
>I need to get ahold of a realistic-looking visor!  My girlfriend has
>been totally blind since birth, and is a TNG fan, so it sort of makes
>sense.

Sorry, I should have posted it here instead!  The only response I've
gotten so far suggests:

	``Go to a hair accessories store,
	and ask for a large sized "banana clip."''

Any other ideas?

marshall
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From: hast@courier4.aero.org (Steve Hast)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Looking for 1991 Trek Christmas Ornament
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:51:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: speedy.1992Aug12.165150.16250
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation/Los Angeles
X-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 09:54:15 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d3

12 August 1992

			I have an 8 year old friend who would love to have one of the 1991
Hallmark StarTrek Christmas Enterprise ornaments.  If you have an extra
and you would like to sell it to a young Trekker, please e-mail me and
let me know your price.  I will relay the info to him.
			Thanks for your help; live long and prosper !
   
=======================================================================
Steve Hast                                              
hast@courier4.aero.org                                          
The Aerospace Corporation                                (310) 336-8968
P.O. Box 92957,  Mail Station M4-946                 FAX (310) 336-5827
Los Angeles, CA  90009-2957

  "It is the middle ground between  light and shadow,  between  science
   and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the
   summit of his knowledge.   This  is  the  dimension of imagination." 
                                                         -- Rod Serling
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From: broitman@buchmf.bu.edu (Jeff Broitman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Worldcon Reg.
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:49:37 GMT
Distribution: ?
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

WANTED: Female registration for WorldCon (MagiCon) in Orlando.

It would seem we are one registration short of a loaf.  A female in my group
is without attending registration and would like to buy one from
a female that can't attend.  Immediately needed, please respond by the 
following:

Internet: broitman@buchmf.bu.edu
Phone   : (617) 527-8016
Mail    : J.Z.Broitman
          42 Maynard Street.
          Newton Mass 02165



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From: rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula)
Subject: Re: WorldCon Memebership available
 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:44:38 GMT

For sale: one or both of 2 memberships for the 1992 Worldcon.

Asking $95 apiece.

(We have to move, and need the money in order to do so.)

Contact Robin Nakkula at rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu as quickly as
possible (Of necessity, I'm posting this on another BBS as well.)            


Thanks much,

@@@---Robin N.
From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: 2 CD soundtracks wanted...
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:02:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


For some time now I have been in search of copies of two out of print 
movie soundtrack CD's.  I would be willing to buy used CD's in good 
condition for a modest price.  The CD's I'm looking for are:

   The original "Raiders of the Lost Ark" Soundtrack  (John Williams) 
   The original "Last Starfighter" soundtrack.

If you have either of these on CD and would be willing to part with them, 
please contact me through E-mail.  Please, only CD offers for these two 
soundtracks.  I don't need a tape or record, and I'm not interested in 
any other soundtracks.

Thanks,

Michael Foegelle
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From: capnal@aqua.whoi.edu (Al Duester)
Subject: Magicon (worldcon '92) membership for sale
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:59:08 GMT


I have an attending membership in Magicon that I would like to sell. I
don't think I'll be in a partying mood only two weeks after my hernia
repair!

$70 or best offer. Includes all progress reports via first class mail.

========================================================================
Al Duester, Ocean Engineer, MS S201   #  SPAN: 6308::capnal 
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution  #  INTERNET: capnal@aqua.whoi.edu
Woods Hole, MA  02543                 #  (508) 457-2000 x2474
.    "...How do we acquire *wisdom* along with all these shiny things?"
.                                       - David Brin, *Earth* pg 657
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From: les@uvo.dec.com (Les A Carleton)
Subject: Re: Looking for Hitchhiker's Guide online
Reply-To: les@uvo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:34:48 GMT


I'm gonna get flamed for this but what the hell!!!

In article <HEX.92Aug19062735@rtxirl.rtxirl.ie>, hex@rtxirl.rtxirl.ie (Allyn 'Hex' Wade) writes:
|>I saw an article somewhere a while back stating that the text of the
|>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was available for anonymous ftp.

#define FLAME

Look, this is obviously beech of copyright in the most sad way. 
HITCH-HIKERS is BRILLIANT ... its a classic of our time, Douglas deserves
all the money he gets from it (even though some of the later works
are junk IMHO).

BUY IT! Are you *really* such a cheapskate that you can't afford
three quid to buy the book? Considering how much you've already
cost the networks of the world in transporting your article around
the world, you could have saved the world economy that money by just 
going down you your bookstore and buying it. I'm not going to mention
the money it'll cost to copy the thing over!

|>Could anyone point me in the right direction?

Your local bookstore?

#undef FLAME

..Les...
"Hitch-hikers fan ... Official!"
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: phil@BofA.COM (Phil Schlesinger)
Subject: HELP! I'm artless!
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:16:09 GMT


Everyone seems to have these really neat little pieces of
art at the bottom of thier Internet messages (the ones
from the .signature file).  

I'd like one of these, but I'm 'aesthetically challenged' :-)

So, I'm asking anyone out there in the Infosphere to please
email me some electronic clip art ...

Thanks!

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From: rob@guinness.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere)
Subject: Re: Proving the existance of a deity (was Re: Mandatory negatives)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.002908.20040@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes: 
>In article <4756@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron (Larry Smith) writes:
>>And Dawkins goes to great lengths to (a) point out those forms and (b) explain
>>why the fossil record cannot be trusted to provide a complete explanation.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>"The fossil record cannot be trusted to provide a complete explanation"??!!!
>
>Dang.  I guess I must be way behind the times when it comes to the scientific
>method.  I thought it went "you form a hypothesis to fit the facts; if the
>facts don't fit the hypothesis, you toss the hypothesis and not the facts".

Oh, puh-lah-hease.  Apply at least a minor effort (say, two or three
braincells for two or three seconds) to your answers, will you.

Do you really expect to find fossil evidence for every last living being
that's ever walked the Earth?  That sort of information isn't even available
for creatures that were alive _this_year_, let alone for the distant past.  Of
course the fossil record is incomplete.

Now what does all this have to do with the scientific method?  Well,
_scientists_ try to explain the existing fragmentary fossil record as best as
possible.  Currently, the best available explanation involves evolution.  Dave
Schaumann, on the other hand, seems to be doing his level best to convince us
that he has an agenda that overrides all other concerns for him, including
honesty. 

SR
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: CONS and video
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:38:41 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1992Aug19.182056.3366@clarinet.com>
  brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.152407.2755@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>>>seem to be that they consider con showings to be "piracy" and are
>>>starting to take notice and crack down.  Up until now it's been a
>>>case of "what the studios don't know won't cost us..."
>>
>>A shame.  Video rooms are a major draw for me as well.  I don't suppose
>
>And the fact that you consider it a major draw to a money-charging con
>pretty much proves their point that this is piracy.   Having a video room
>at a paying con (or to get technical even a free con -- any showing open to
>the public or a large group counts) isn't even a gray area.  You're operating
>a cinema and charging people to get in.

All right.  Point conceeded.  I'm not in a mood to fight about it.

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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: 'Science Fiction' Stage Plays
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163625.25569@visix.com> jim@visix.com writes:
>
>Seth Breidbart writes:
>
>>Joseph L. Lockett writes:
>>
>>> What plays do those on the net know of with a 'science fiction' bent?
>>
>>Metropolis.
>>
>>It was in London a few years ago; there was talk about bringing it to
>>Broadway, but I haven't heard anything lately.
>>
>
>I was lucky enough to be in London when it was playing.  It was great!

How could I have forgotten to mention "The Forever War"?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: i001269@DISC.DLA.MIL (john mccarrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Taeis Project
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:12:27 GMT

Geoff,

I'm interested in being added to any type of mailing list that may be
developed for the Taeis project.  Could you please send me info on where 
any already available information on this may be found?

thanks for your time,

John McCarrick