From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:31:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep3.223152.15360
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep4.010002.24762@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <87833@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
>(Michael DWC Wong) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>[stupidity deleted to save bandwidth]
>>>We Americans must "teach" the Chinese-cu that they must respect the
>>>rights and freedoms (including the right of self-determination) of 
>>>people.  We must back up our commitment with the full arsenal of Western
>>>and Northeast Asian military technical might.
>>
>>If you think you can teach a country to respect rights and freedom with
>>military might, then you are wrong. Self-determination or democracy
>>must come from within the people; it must be a change from the roots upwards.
>>Using military force to teach other countries a lesson sounds pretty babaric
>>to me.
>
>Don't put words into my mouth.  Mr. Wong should actually read what I wrote.
>
>I specifically included "teach" in quotes.  I oppose the use of military
>force when there is no provocations.  Again, this is starkly different
>from what the Chinese-cu have done and are doing in Tibet and Taiwan.
>
>What I said in the above quote is that _if_ China attacks Taiwan,
>which is entitled to self-determination, then S. Korea, Japan, and
>the USA should intervene.  The moral justification is there.
>China has _no_ right to send military forces to Taiwan to crush the
>right of the Taiwanese-ge to self-determination.  _No_ right whatsoever.
>
>If China does _not_ send military forces to invade Taiwan when it
>declares its independence as a separate nation, then _nothing_ will
>happen to China.  I hope that this statement is clear enough for Mr. Wong's
>comprehension.  No one is advocating the use of force without provocation.
>
After becoming the "champion" for the WWII japanese army and the Emperor, now
you are trying to behave like the "champion" for the Taiwanese people. The
question is not about whether communist chinese government sending military 
forces to Taiwan or not, the question is why do you hate the chinese culture
so much. Do you forget what you have written? Are you so dumb not to realise
that when you condemned the chinese culture, you are also condemning the
Taiwanese, the oversea chinese, and all the other chinese. The communist 
government action is not what the chinese people's action. Have you ever
live in a suppressed society where you are not given the freedom to speak
freely? They really envy the freedom in America but yet they are some people
tend to "misuse" it. 

>However, the Chinese gov't has explicitly stated that will seize
>Taiwan by military force, even destroying it if necessary, to suppress
>any moves for independence.  _If_ China sends military forces
>to Taiwan to kill men, women, and children (!) just to suppress
>self-determination, then Korea, Japan, and the USA should send
>military forces to Taiwan to defend the Taiwanese people.  The Chinese-cu
>_should_ be "taught" the consequences of killing women and children.
>
Your argument based on "If....then...." does not entitle you to conclude
that the chinese people are behaving and acting like animals as you mentioned
before. You offended me and all the other chinese. There is no use for you
to defend the Taiwanese. I think you should be "taught" for your ignorant.

>We Americans (and Asian-Americans) should support the RimPac92
>military exercises.  The participating nations with their combined
>military technical might can "teach" the Chinese-cu to keep their
>sticks and stones away from Taiwan.
>
>We Americans (and Asian-Americans) should show the Chinese-cu the
>_fist_ of our resolve.  We did it in the form of NATO, which protected
>Western Europe before the end of the Cold War.  We should do it again
>to protect Taiwan and other nations in Asia.  The RimPac92 exercises
>can serve as a stepping stone in the creation of a protective blanket like NATO
>to ensure the security of Asia.
>
>>[stupidity deleted to save bandwidth]
>
You are no American. You are just a "lost boy" trying to find your identity.
This is how the Nazi spread their ideology, blaming everything on the Jews.
Blaming every problems on the chinese, even condemning the chinese culture
make you look worst than the Nazi.

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