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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:49:22 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <cf2q4t600aw4E8bUUX@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>>What.. .like yours did...
>
>Stick a foot in your mouth and the other up your ass because you just
>played yourself!

Hey... you got some strange requests.. They now have specialists to help
you with your problems...  Pick up a phonebook and give them a call...

>
>You don't even know who my favorite team is.  I'll give you a hint... 
>It's not an SEC team.  It's not even an ACC team.  I was just stating
>how I felt about FSU being ranked ahead of TAMU and BAMA.  It IS an
>independent team, and it's NOT Miami.  I just tell it like I see it,
>eventhough to others, it seems like bullshit.
>

It wasn't your post, but your stupid comment concerning the 
"...<upset>... cause your team hasn't done shit" stuff (paraphrased for the
hearing impared). Did you know the other person's favorite team???  Unless
you favorite team is Texas A&M, Alabama, or Miami, then in comparison to
"my team" (Miami), I stand by my comment and don't care who your team is...

Oh, by the way... this is 90s, Miami is no longer an independent team, but
a member of the Big East.  So the next time you start spouting shit, make sure
you wipe...

>That just goes to show how much of a cock-sucking fag artist you are.  

And just what is a "cock-sucking fag artist"???  A female cigarette painter??
I would dare say you should calm down and not make things so personal, it
only shows your ignorance, hatred, and stupidity...


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From: ward@max.cchem.berkeley.edu (Ward Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OU over OSU woof
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:00:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Nov16.212553.28154@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.190338.28639@a.cs.okstate.edu>, chen@a.cs.okstate.edu
>(SMITH LISA MIN-YI) writes:
>> Whatcha think about OU going for the tie instead of the win?  Kinda
>> lowering
>> your standards, huh?
>> - lisa
>> 
>Not really Lisa, it's the way the stupid system works. Are you telling me
>that if OU would have kicked the field goal first that OSU would not have
>done the same thing. Just ask ND, Colorado, Michigan. 


    Actually, I remember a game back in 1988 the year Barry Sanders won  
the Heisman when OU played OSU and OSU was down 31 to 28 but on 4th and
16 went for the win with a pass to the end zone and not for the tie.  So 
I guess what I am saying is, no, OSU would not have gone for the tie.


					Ward Thompson




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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Prediction OSU-Michigan (was Re: Why Michigan sucks..)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174914.15664@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>Question to William M-Smith: any comments out of Ann Arbor on why
>Moeller went for the 2-pointer up 19-15; or did he just admit that he
>screwed up in the heat of the momenet (I would respect him more if he
>said that than if he gave a BS reason).
>
>Bharat
Well, I'm not Bill, but I do recall what Moeller said after the game.  
It was something to the effect of "I don't know".  He offered no 
excuses, but said something about having to look at the tapes of 
the game to figure out why he went for 2.  He didn't say "We 
wanted to see what kind of coverage they were going to throw at 
us", as did another coach who earlier this year was involved in a 
tie.  :)  (for the humor impaired, that's a joke, son.)
---
Steve
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:04:54 GMT
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In <1992Nov16.144833.5127@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu writes:

> In article <1e647pINNo7g@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> > 
> >  I hate to have to agree but...the UH was closer than it should have been.
> >That lousy SWC officiating, blah, blah.  Anyway, we can't ask to leapfrog
> >Bama since they did exactly what A&M has done all year -- exploit 2nd half
> >breaks to win the game.  But if FSU leapfrogs us becuase they got to play 
> >Temple (which isn't in UH's league), then i'll be pissed...
>  ^^^^^^
> 
> Well, I don't really know if Temple is in Houston's league. I do, however,
> know that Tulane is not in their league...and I also know that FSU played
> Tulane this weekend, and not Temple (they were Miami's whipping boy).

  I stand corrected.  Tulane, not Temple.  But I stand by my original meaning:
Uh is better than the team FSU faced.

> As for TAMU, they showed that they can be manhandled by a lesser team. If
> TAMU's defense is as good as you all like to believe, then explain the 30
> points you guys gave up. 

  Easy.  UH kept hitting 30+ yard gainers on 3 and long.  Plus a 73-yard TD 
that should have been stoppped after 15-20 yards becuse the rcvr stepped out 
of bounds (quite clearly so on the replay).

blah blah...

> FSU has finally found its offense as well. Charlie Ward (and the
> rest of the team) really like the fast break offense that we have been useing
> in the last few games (that's a no-huddle, shotgun attack btw...and unlike
> Michigan, ours works). This offense has the ability to shatter defenses with
> its fast paced, wide-spread look.

  Yessir, Tulane is one hell of a test of a great offense...I'll say this much,
FSU, like A&M, seems to be cutting out the mistakes which all-but killed them
early on.

> You guys still using the option out there
> in TAMU? Personally, I think teams should be flagged every time they run an
> option play....unneccessary boredom...15 yards penalty....loss of down.

  I think we have 2 options in two games, out of a bazillion plays run.  You
obviously have not been paying attention son...We throw the ball now.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:39:37 GMT
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Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <26901@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>I swear that I've read repeatedly that the Hancock Bowl (Dec 31, El Paso, 
>$1.1M per team) is supposed to take the 4th place Pac10 team.

Alas, an update.  I just heard on the radio here that the Hancock people
can take their pick from anyone but the top 3 in the Pac10 (UW, Stanford,
and, by tiebreaker, USC of course), and they have assured the UA people that
they will indeed pick Arizona over WSU for the Hancock Bowl.  (Pretty sleazy
and big money and disgusting, but I guess that's life.)  I also talked on
the radio with the UA Wildcat Talk radio show announcers (one
of them Les Josephson!), and they thought that WSU had no chance at
the Holiday Bowl, but did at the Copper Bowl.  They really liked
the idea of a BYU-WSU matchup in the Holiday Bowl, but they said
that that probably couldn't happen.  They thought that a WSU-Fresno St.
Copper Bowl would draw well, and having an 8-3 WSU that just beat the UW
would help the bowl's reputation.  

They did think that it was unlikely that WSU could fall through the
cracks and not get a bowl invitation.  Why does this make me nervous?

I guess the bowls will be officially announced Dec 6, but many will
be known before then, although next week's games could affect the
teams available to the coalition.
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The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Wake Forest/Virginia - Bowl Hopes
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:28:20 GMT
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Yesterday's paper confirmed what someone else reported - Wake Forest has
announced they will accept an Independence Bowl invitation. 

This means that Virginia's slim bowl hopes just went down the tubes.
AD Jim Copeland conceeded that a bowl invitation is, at  best, a
long shot. The only possibility is to have a team that is being
looked at by a minor bowl fail to qualify by winning the required
6 games against Division I-A opponents. But even that would only leave
the Freedom or Aloha Bowls and it's doubtful they would want Virginia,
since the Cavaliers would probably not draw large numbers to a game
out west. No bowl scouts have requested credentials to the game in
Blacksburg this weekend.

This would be the first time in 4 years that the Cavaliers do not
go to a postseason game. 
-- 
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U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M vs. Houston
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:50:29 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Nov13.231853.5849@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> tino@yogi.metray writes:
>In article 11885@bsu-ucs, 00mafrank@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu () writes:
>>I watched the Texas A&M - Houston game last night.  It was
>>a good game.  For awhile I thought Houston would win until
>>Texas A&M exploded in the third quarter.  Was this the same
>>Houston team that Michigan killed about 62-7 earlier in the
>>season _at_ Houston?  Was their first-string quarterback
>>injured or something?  I'm not being sarcastic, it just
>>surprises me as to why Texas A&M would have such a tough time
>>at home with a team that was 3-5 going into the game.
>>
>>Mark Frank
>
>Maybe Texas A&M just isn't as good as their ranking suggests...
>
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>

How one team did against another team is not as straightforward as it might
appear.  Michigan obliterated Houston, Houston obliterated Illinois, but
Michigan only tied Illinois.  What can you deduce?  Not much.  SMU trounced
Houston, Texas and A&M both trounced SMU, but Texas and A&M both had tough
games against Houston.

The events are discrete.

Houston seems to have an all-or-nothing offense.  Even in their close loss
to Texas they were all-or-nothing, trailing 28-0 at one point early in the
second quarter before eventually gaining the lead (then losing it again).
They have a streaky quarterback and a tough running back.

I don't think that A&M is that good of a team, but they seem to be improving
(the Houston game was not indicative of improvement, however).  I'm sure that
several of the recent A&M teams were better than this one; last year's team
for instance.  However, if they keep winning, they'll keep getting ranked 
highly.

I'm sick of the national championship being determined off of the field.
Let's have a national championship playoff.  When the other divisions (the
one's with less or no athletic scholarships, presumably filled with people
whoi actually intended to go to college to learn something) can have a
national playoff system, the big guys can do it to.  Put A&M in the playoffs
(if they win the SWC, which is likely), and have the playoff.  Won't happen,
but it should.  There, I feel better.

-- 
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From: bdf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (blaine.d.fischer)
Subject: Re: Miami's NYD Opponent
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:27:31 GMT

From article <1992Nov17.160547.19531@makesys.com>, by john@makesys.com (John Turman):
> 
> Since it's obvious to me that there is currently no worthy
> opponent for the Canes to play on NYD I propose that they
> play the NFL teams with the best record at the time on NYD.

What would it take for the game that everyone wants to see happen.

		MIAMI vs NOTRE DAME in the Fiesta Bowl

I'm neither a Miami nor a Notre Dame fan (actually I dislike both)
but I love to watch the two play. 

If Miami loses once and Notre Dame wins the rest of its games, could
the Network dream game happen?

-- 
Blaine Fischer              
Internet: bdfm@ihlpy.att.com

I can't believe that Illinois, Iowa, and Michigan State are even being
considered for bowl games this year. What a joke! Money talks.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: test
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:10:46 GMT
Organization: Chevron

WEYLAND,MARK writes:
>I am new to the net and this group, I posted on alt.test and it seemed to 
>work, however I don't think my post in rsfc made it anywhere.  If anyone 
>reads this please respond. thanks.
>
>Gig 'EM
>
>MDW '88

We didn't get it over here.
Try it again....

--J.J.

Gag me.
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From: jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Missed it by 'that' much -Miami
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:44:45 GMT

So, was the 4 yards that Syracuse was short more or less than the missed
field goals by Miami's other opponents?  It appears to me that the
Orange"men" were actually farther away from victory than the others.

Enquiring minds want to know.

jc


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: OSU-Michigan (was Big Ten Review (11-14-92))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:27:35 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Nov17093850@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>Randy writes:
>
>> Illinois (5-4-1) 22, MICHIGAN (8-0-2) 22:
>>       ...
>> 	"good" team in this otherwise dismal conference is overblown.  I'm
>> 	sure the Rose Bowl folks are real "happy" these days.  They may even
>> 	be "happier" after this Saturday when Michigan loses at Ohio State.
>
>All right, take it back.  We're going to have a tough enough time this
>weekend without the net.big10.authority woofing us into a sure loss.  Really
>Randy, I thought you'd know better (unless you secretly pulling for
>Michigan).

	At least I know you are reading these...

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:48:33 GMT

In article <1e647pINNo7g@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <JOHNDOE92Nov15.022844@crispus.inmet> johndoe@crispus.inmet writes:
>
>> In article <dkm2.721803415@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>> 
>> i expected you to be a tamu grad.  why aren't you giving the top20 program
>> close to home credit?  miss st has turned into a tough place to play, and
>> ala went in and did the job.  (too bad to have to wonder what this game
>> would have been like with a healthy sleepy robinson.)  i think that this
>> means they should deserve to keep their place in the polls -- especially
>> when a&m struggled against a houston team that lost to the smu shetland
>> ponies by 25.  a&m doesn't deserve to drop, but they don't deserve to
>> leapfrog alabama, either.
>> -johndoe
> 
>  I hate to have to agree but...the UH was closer than it should have been.
>That lousy SWC officiating, blah, blah.  Anyway, we can't ask to leapfrog
>Bama since they did exactly what A&M has done all year -- exploit 2nd half
>breaks to win the game.  But if FSU leapfrogs us becuase they got to play 
>Temple (which isn't in UH's league), then i'll be pissed...
 ^^^^^^

Well, I don't really know if Temple is in Houston's league. I do, however,
know that Tulane is not in their league...and I also know that FSU played
Tulane this weekend, and not Temple (they were Miami's whipping boy).

As for TAMU, they showed that they can be manhandled by a lesser team. If
TAMU's defense is as good as you all like to believe, then explain the 30
points you guys gave up. FSU deserves the higher ranking, they have played a
much tougher schedule than TAMU, and are literally only 4 points away from 
1st place. FSU has finally found its offense as well. Charlie Ward (and the
rest of the team) really like the fast break offense that we have been useing
in the last few games (that's a no-huddle, shotgun attack btw...and unlike
Michigan, ours works). This offense has the ability to shatter defenses with
its fast paced, wide-spread look. You guys still using the option out there
in TAMU? Personally, I think teams should be flagged every time they run an
option play....unneccessary boredom...15 yards penalty....loss of down.

>
>
>semper fi,
>
>Jammer Jim Miller 
>Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:25:11 GMT

brewers@camelot.bradley.edu (James Kimble) writes:

>>Really though the Alliance rules are very clear about getting the 1 vs 2
>>matchup in the Fiesta Bowl. This only happens if the #1 and #2 teams in the
>>AP (not UPI CNN etc. etc.) are from the Big East, ACC, and ND.

>>The #1 and #2 have *NO* out clause for this one scenario - they must play !!!

>>So if Miami likes it or not , if they are #1 or #2 and Florida State or ND
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>is #1 or #2 the Fiesta Bowl is where they will play.
>>   - maybe I should add if Fla St or ND like it or not also   :-)

>>Justin

>But as of now, the #1 team is Miami, and the #2 team is Alabama.  If this
    can you see the 'if' above ???
>is the case at the end of the season, and Alabama wins the SEC Championship
>the bowl aliance will dictate the these two teams meat in the Sugar
    it will not dictate it, Miami would have a choice to decline
>Bowl, since they are comitted to the Sugar as the Champs of the SEC.

>As far as I'm concerned, the best matchup would be Miami/FSU, but that
>will never happen because of the fact that there is no alliance with
>an independent and the ACC.  Although, ND/FSU would be a pretty darn
>good game and quite easy to market.

    Wake up please !  Miami is not an ind. they ARE in the Big East.

    The only dictated matchup in the Alliance would be #1 and #2 in the
    Fiesta Bowl and that only happens if they come from the ACC,BEast,or ND.

    Justin
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:24:06 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.210108.21445@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) writes:
>
>I seem to remember seeing something about some of the ACC games not
>being opposite (home/away) next year on FSU's schedule.  I.E. FSU's
>ACC opponents will not start an true alternating home and home until
>next year.  But it could have all have been a dream.

I know that Virginia has to play two years in a row in Tallahasse 
before starting a normal home-away series with Florida State. I
would imagine that scheduling quirks cause similar situations with
other ACC schools.

-- 
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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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