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From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Nic Jones; was: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:49:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov11.154928.22180
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <1992Nov11.100057.18524@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccshf@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Henry Ford) writes:
>this is not so silly as it seems!) But Nick Jones was a class act. The
>best of the singer guitarists of the late 60's - 70's. Used to see
>him in the club in Bangor, North Wales, and he was simply great.
>I've not heard how he is after the crash, but I hope he's OK.

All the reports heard over here say he's not OK, that he never got back the
use of whichever hand he plays the strings with to do more than simple
strumming, & was very dejected about it...this is from a radio interview
with a friend of his several years ago.  I'd like to here he's better now.

They didn't discuss whether he can still sing
(this isn't some sick joke; we were told it was a brain injury that
caused paralysis in one side, not physical damage)
but he can certainly still arrange;
June Tabor on her last USA tour performed a version of Anachy Gordon
that she announced as being arranged by Jones, & believe me, you'd have
known it was his right out of the box without any announcement.
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From: stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman)
Subject: Moloney/O'Donnell/Egan
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:53:15 GMT

Does anyone have the tour schedule for "An Evening with
Irish Master Musicians" (Mike Moloney, Eugene O'Donnell,
Seamus Egan)?  They are going to be in Asheville, North
Carolina on Saturday, December 5.  We have a conflict
that evening, and are looking for other southeastern
locations where they might be appearing.

Post or send email to stigle@cs.unca.edu

Thanks!

Sue Stigleman
stigle@cs.unca.edu


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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:58:04 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.144922.22540@news.clarkson.edu>, by walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,):
> From article <1992Nov4.212843.25452@rdg.dec.com>, by cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn):
>> 
>> It's a real bird, but an endangered species.
>> It's the largest of the grouse family I think
>> 
> Or is it the tarmagin (sp?) that the latges of the grouse family?
> 
> 													GW
> 
Craig is right. The ptarmagin is the SMALLEST of the grouse family.

												GW
From: fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Folk Sampler song
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:58:35 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I heard a song on last week's Folk Sampler that I was going to 
remember to look up later , and now I hardly remember anything about 
it.  The main line went something like "I keep on singing" or "I have 
to keep on singing" or "i just keep on singing" or something (I wish I 
remembered it better).  Just afterward they played "Bread and Roses" 
and then I had to get out of the car.  Does anyone know the song I 
mean, who wrote it, who sang it, and where I could get a copy!
Obviously I really liked it.         Thanks!
       Sandra   fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: Help id this song:  "Her name was Joanne, she lived in a meadow..."
Keywords: Joanne
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185004.25160@netcom.com> sgreen@netcom.com (S. Green) writes:
>Can you id this song?  The only parts I can remember are
>
>"Her name was Joanne, she lived in a meadow by a pond..."
>
>and
>
>"oh Joanne and the man and the time that made them both run"
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>--
>Scott Green
>sgreen@netcom.com


"Joanne"  by Michael Nesmith

TH
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From: jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann)
Subject: Re: Setting of White Squall (was Re: "Mary Ellen Carter" a true story?)
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:16:42 GMT

me@stile.stonemarche.org (Mark Eklof) writes:

>	While I'm not familiar with the Great Lakes region, either,
>two minutes with an atlas led me to a guess of Lake Huron.  The song
>mentions Wiarton, Ontario as the home of the fiance' of the "kid", and
>the liner notes indicate that many of the towns residents ship on the
>lakes.  Wiarton is on Lake Huron.  The only other place reference I
>get from the song is "...as we roll North to the 'Soo'."  I'll take a
>WAG that this refers to Sault Ste. Marie, on the Northwest end of Lake
>Huron. 

That's a pretty good guess.  I've always thought the song was pretty
applicable to any of the Lakes; the ships and lines usually aren't
limited to any single lake, so the Wiarton lads could as easily be on
Superior or Michigan.

You can "roll north to the Soo" on Lake Michigan, though, as a very busy
route is north from ports in Milwaukee, Chicago, Calumet, etc., up to
the Straits (of Mackinac), then east and north to the Soo, and finally
west through the locks into Lake Superior.  In fact, that's the route
the Edmund Fitzgerald (see another thread...) was on when she sunk in
Lake Superior  (actually I think she was southbound out of Duluth, but
without any references here I'm not sure).

Anyway, the real comment I wanted to add is that the existence of the
"white squall" isn't clearly proven.  There are a bunch of
meteorologists who say the phenomenon just doesn't exist.

I don't know about that, but I grew up on Wisconsin's Door Peninsula
(the thumb that sticks out into Lake Michigan -- it's only about three
miles wide at the part where I lived) and I can attest to the speed with
which a squall can come across the water out of the northwest on a
summer day.  More than one tourist has taken "just one more ski run" and
gotten clobbered.

Stan's right -- "don't take these lakes for granted."

John

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From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: Trying to identify Scottish folk tune
Organization: Computer Science, Victoria University, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:56:35 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.130604.27598@aber.ac.uk>, tmw9@aber.ac.uk (Thomas Mayne Waddell) writes:
e.
|> 
|> The song is Scottish/Irish in origin and has ben sung by many singers.
|> The McPeake family sang a version of it and it became a trademark of theirs
|> I have also heard many other groups/singers sing it including Tommy Makem and 
|> Liam Clancy.
|> 

You could also try the version by Van Morrison on "Hard Nose the Highway". He
calls it "Purple Heater" there but it's the same song - it's credited to Francis
McPeake on the album.

But is it folk music, you ask? I don't know but I like it.
From: sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Keywords: Kate Anna McGarrigle
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:51:47 GMT
Reply-To: sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.

In article <1992Nov5.150907.1031@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
|> In article <dvalent.720945391@husc8> dvalent@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Valentine) writes:
|> >I have only been able to find one album by Kate and Anna McGarrigle
|> >on CD.  I can't remember the title of the one I did find (Heartbeats  
|> >Accelerating?), but I was wondering if any more were available
|> >anywhere else.
|> 
|> Love Over and Over is out on CD.  Supposedly, the French Album is also
|> coming out on CD but I haven't seen it yet.
|> 

"French Record" was released on CD this week (11/4).  

-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ultimate top 10 of folkalbums
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

I think this is an impossible task, as well, but:

The New Lost City Ramblers (two record set).
Eric Bogle, Scraps of Paper

both come to mind. At the next level, I'd have to name about
three dozen albums.
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From: collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com (Duane E. Collicott)
Subject: Re: ann arbor
Originator: collicot@tethys
Organization: Allen-Bradley ASA, Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:50:55 GMT

In article <BxM8rE.903@andy.bgsu.edu> crosen@andy.bgsu.edu (Marty Rosen) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Could someone supply me with information regarding this year's Ann Arbor
>Folk Festival?  That is, dates, lineup, and information about acquiring
>tickets.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marty Rosen

No problem.

The date is Saturday, January 30, 1993 in the evening at Hill Auditorium on 
the University of Michigan campus (an exellent venue, acoustically).  The 
performers will include Nanci Griffith, Richie Havens and Marcia Ball, and I 
think there's more.  Sometimes there's local talent between the large acts.
It's always a great show.

Tickets are on sale currently for members of The Ark.  The Ark is a non-profit
organization in Ann Arbor that provides a venue for all kinds of acoustical
music.  They're sponsoring the event, as they always do.  The general public 
can buy tickets beginning December 1st.  Ticket prices are like this:

$100   - ("sponsor" or something like that) very front and very center.
$50    - ("patron", I think it's called) very center.
$22.50 - main floor sides/rear, front of 1st balcony, front of 2nd balcony.
$19.50 - remaining.

There's only a few rows of the $100 seats, and $50 seats are not too plentiful
either, so you will not miss out on anything if you only spend $22.50.  The
front of the first balcony has a very good view, as well as the sides of the
main floor... basically all of the $22.50 seats are great.  With the $19.50
seats you may not see every wink of the eye, but you won't miss any sound.
Hill Auditorium is one of those places that when the percussionist way in the
rear behind the tubas coughs it sounds like the person right in front of you
did it.  It's not an extremely large place, either.  I drew the seating shart
on CAD once, but that was a long time ago!  I think it's about 3000 seats.

Tickets can be bought from TicketMaster (313-645-6666) or from the Michigan
Union Ticket Office (313-763-8587), starting December 1st.  They both take
plastic.  You can call The Ark (313-761-1451) for more information.

If anybody needs directions, feel free to email me.  Don't worry... it's not
too close to Detroit!

Speaking of The Ark, if there's an interest for a monthly posting of upcoming
performances, I would be glad to do that.  I'm a member and volunteer and I
always have my calendar nearby.  As Tom Paxton said, "If it's at The Ark, it
WILL be good."
_______________________________________________________________________________
Duane Collicott
collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com

"If you could see far enough you'd be looking at the back of your own head"
                                                                     - Unknown
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:52:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lyra.MARTIN.92Nov5105212
	<1d9akbINNr4v@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Nov4.212843.25452@rdg.dec.com>
	<1992Nov5.111827.21708@crc.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth

In article <1992Nov5.111827.21708@crc.ac.uk> mstenhou@crc.ac.uk (Mike Stenhouse x3293) writes:
   In article <1992Nov4.212843.25452@rdg.dec.com>, cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
   > 
   > In article <1d9akbINNr4v@agate.berkeley.edu>, spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes...
   > > 
   > >Is a Capercaillie a *mythical* Scottish bird?  Or do
   > >these things exist in actuality?
   > > 
   > It's a real bird, but an endangered species.
   > It's the largest of the grouse family I think
   > 

   Yup, they look kind of like a turkey without the fleshy thing dripping 
   from above the beak.  I think they are black.

I recall seeing a large flock of them on the PBS Nature series "Realms
of the Russian Bear" a few weeks ago.  Perhaps it was in the segment
about the region around the Caspian Sea.


--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Arthur McBride
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:59:28 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: ugo@maserati.eng.umd.edu


In article <wsq4TB4w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
>
>Here are the words and chords as written in "Folksongs & Ballads Popular in 
>Ireland, Volume 3" published by Ossian Publications. It is written in F, 
>but I prefer to capo it up 1 fret to E. I will display the chords in the 
>format used by Sing Out Publications. BTW, thought you might be interested 
>in the notes the publisher makes on this song.
>
>"This 18/19th cent. song was collected by Patrick Joyce in Limerick in the 
>1840's. Also in Donegal by Petrie, while several versions are found in 
>Scotland, Suffolk, and Devon. The tunes in most cases differ slightly."
>
>Arthur McBride
>qrtr note=168   key=F
>
[lyrics deleted ....]
>
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>(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@brewich.hou.tx.us
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>(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra

This seems to settle the question about the origins of this song.  The lyrics you
posted are the ones that the Planxty version uses; the liner notes also credit 
P.W. Joyce. The Irvine/Brady notes say that "Paul Brady learned this version in 
America" or something to that effect.


Ugo


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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:08:47
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie's message of 13 Nov 92 17:32:40 GMT

On 13 Nov 92 17:32:40 GMT, pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) said:

> On the 1st Pogues album , "Red Roses For Me " there are 2 songs which I
> love and think might be appropriate , "Sea Shanty" and "Greenland Whale
> Fisheries" (listen to the rest of the album while you're at it - it's
> great).

Greenland Whale Fisheries is also on Peter Paul and Mary's "No Easy Walk to
Freedom" album.

Daniel

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From: wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:35:58 GMT

I seem to recall that some time after Gordon Lightfoot recorded this
song, the wreck was found.  (Or at least some remains)

Anybody know more about this?
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From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Subject: Re: Ordering info for Williamson story tapes
Reply-To: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:19:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.222653.9458@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon
Berger) writes:
|> I've gotten enough email queries about the Robin Williamson story tapes
|> that I think this is worth posting publicly.  The insert on my tapes gives
|> the following address for ordering the tapes, as well as for books and
|> tour information:
|> 
|>     Robin Williamson Productions
|>     P.O. Box 27522
|>     Los Angeles, Ca.  90027
|> 
|> This dates back a few years, but it might be worth a try for those who
|> want to hear the tapes.  They're pretty incredible, IMO.

There is a different address in the UK - if anyone wants it let me know
(or sneak into your local record store and read the back of a RW record
sleeve). It may also be of interest that there has just been a CD
re-issue of two RW albums on one CD: A Glint at the Kindling, and
Selected Writings. The latter is songs and poems, and was previously
only released on cassette. It may be in the shops; if not you can get it
from The Music Corporation, PO Box 25, Edinburgh EH7 5HQ. The CD number
is TMC 9201, and it costs \pounds 11.49 including postage in the UK.

-- david elworthy

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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Internationale : Lyrics in English anyone ?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:58:01 GMT

> In <1dilnpINNe60@haven.umd.edu> spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu
>  (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:
> 
>>I've got the Billy Bragg version of the Internationale, but it seems to be  
>>missing something. Could some kind sould out there supply a copy of the  
>>original English lyrics?
>
A version that I like is by Arthur Johnson. I also strong recommend both
of his albums that are out at the moment, he is a little less funny than
say Hamish Imlach, but is also a little less "gushie".

The album with the Internationale is called "North by North"; it also
has "Bandiera Rosa"(sp?) on it.

												   GW
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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Words to Kinks' "Come Dancing"
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:33:41 GMT

Okay, so this isn't exactly folk, but I don't know of a rec.music.oldies,
so it's here.  :-)  As you might have guessed, I'd like some help deciphering
the words.  This is what I have so far.  Please e-mail any improvements.

Kinks
"Come Dancing"

They put a parking lot on a piece of land
Where the supermarket used to stand.
Before that, they put up a bowling alley
On the site that used to be the local <huh?>.
That's where the big band used to come and play
My sister went there on a Saturday
"Come dancing," all her boyfriends used to come and call,
"Why not come dancing?  It's only natural."

Another Saturday, another date.
She would be ready, but she'd always make him wait
In the halway in anticipation;
He didn't know the night would end up in frustration.
He'd end up blowing all his wages for the week
All for a cuddle and a peck on the cheek.
"Come dancing."  That's how they did it when I was just a kid,
And when they said, "Come dancing," my sister always did.

My sister should have come in at midnight
My mama used to sit up and wait
It always ended up in a big <huh?>
When my sister used to get home late

Out of my window I could see them in the moonlight
Two silhouette saying goodnight by the garden gate

The day they knocked down the <huh?>
My sister stood and cried.
The day they knocked down the <huh?>
Part of my childhood died, just died.

Now I'm grown up and playing in a band;
And there is a <huh?> where the <huh?> used to stand
My sister's married and she lives on an estate
<huh?> go out; now it's her turn to wait.
She <huh?> she never could
But if I asked her, I wondered if she would
Come dancing, come on sister, have yourself a ball
Why don't you come dancing; it's only natural.
Come dancing just like the parley on a Saturday.
Why don't you come dancing while the big band used to play.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Theme Music From The Woodwright's Shop (PBS)
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:43:42 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

What's the name/origin of the theme music used on PBS's The Woodwright's
Shop? It sounds an awful lot like some of the stuff on the Chieftains CD
I have. Is it Irish?

Thanks!
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: it's a copyright lawyer
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:00:04 GMT

Did you also know that "Happy Birthday" is also copyrighted. It
originally was a "folk" song called "Good Morning to You" (or something
like that.

												GW
From: wgreene@oldblev.lonestar.org (Wayne Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 13:09:53 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Old Blevins Productions

> >    (1) "Kate and Anna McGarrigle">
> >    (2) "Dancer With Bruised Knees" (1977)
> >    (3) "Pronto Monto" (1978)
> >    (4) "Love Over and Over" (1982) ->
> >    (5) "French Record" -- I don't have this one, so I can't comment.
> 
> Which do you recommend for someone unfamiliar with their music?
> 
I like 'Dancer With Bruised Knees'

   Wayne G.

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From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Grandfather's Clock - summary
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:04:21 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.171015.18844@trentu.ca>
ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown) writes:
>
>Here's what I've got so far from various folks who have responded to my
>request.

>  For it kept to its place and had but one desire
>  At the end of each week to be wound.
>  For it stood in its place, not a frown upon its face

I know this as:

   For it wasted no time and had but one desire
   At the close of each week to be wound
   And it kept in its place not a frown upon its face


I know the changes seem slight, but the way I remember it makes
more sense to me.

PLUS: there is a fourth verse

   It rang an alarm in the dead of the night
   An alarm that for years had been dumb
   And we knew that his spirit was pluming in flight
   That his hour of departure had come
   Still the clock kept the time with a soft and muffled chime
   As we silently stood by his side
   But it stopped short, never to go again
   When the old man died.

I learned the song from "The New Song Fest."

We sand a somewhat coarse parody of this in my college band,
removing the letter from "clock" that you might imagine.

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com
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