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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STNG cast on stage?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:33:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.173321.13225
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bxw0J3.G47@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eak56063@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (D I S I N T E G R A T I O N) writes:
>Live on stage * One show only
>
>"Every Good Boy Deserves Favor"
>a play for actors and orchestra
>created by: tom stoppard
>	    andre previn
>directed by: patrick stewart
>(picture of frakes, spiner, and stewart)
>cast:
>johnathan frakes    brent spiner    patrick stewart   gates mcfadden
>	    colm meaney      john christian graas

	TOM STOPPARD????!?!?!?!

	The mind boggles.....ESPECIALLY with Frakes....


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: computer security **spoilers**
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:46:05 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


























Please explain how the security abord ship works. How was data able to
lock out a function (the transporter) that the senior officer was unable to
undo by any means?

-- 
Joseph P. Wetstein                  __|__          "I may be Captain by
jpw@coe.drexel.edu              ---o-(_)-o---       rank, but I never wanted
                                                    to be anything else but 
KA3VJY						    an engineer" - Scotty
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: New Picard
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:05:51 GMT

cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:

>J P Blackwood (jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: I do think that Picard has been behaving differently since Inner Light. He has
>: often been more relaxed and more warm. Would the old Picard have been able to
>: pull off the Daddy! scene in Rascals?

>I think you have missed the point: Picard in _Rascals_ was not old,
>he was about 12 years old, physically, and desperate to save his ship because
>Number 1 can't fight his way out of diapers.  Fortunately, a large
>six-shooter did not appear and proceed to shoot the _Enterprise_ full of
>holes!


I think you're missing the point. Picard *IS* physically 12 years old, but
Crusher said that mentally they were unchanged. They had all their memories
and we're able to communicate at an adult level. Picard-the-12-year-old would 
have acted mentally exactly as Picard-the-adult would have.


		CTB






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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "A Fistful of Datas"
Keywords: TNG, Data, Worf, sheriff
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:08:30 GMT

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>WARNING:  This article little "spoiler" varmints for TNG's recent offering, 
>"A Fistful of Datas".  If you don't want to see 'em, vamoose.

>Well, that was certainly...different.

Yes, thank goodness!

[synopsis deleted... hey, Tim, you forgot to mention the Enterprise
soaring "off into the setting sun" at the end, a la a Western movie...:) ]
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
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From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:50:30 GMT

Listen very closely to Stewarts accent. It is very remniscent of Shawn
Connery's accent.

Bob Kolker


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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Quality of Life
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 17:59:18 GMT


Spoilers Ahoy!





 
   
  
 














I wonder if I was the only one who immediately thought of Artoo-Detoo
when the Exocomp refused to enter that tunnel but merely sat there 
making funny noises?  And if you consider that Commander Data might
be considered similar to C-3PO, you'd almost expect him to start
addressing the exocomps in a British accent...  :)

(Seriously, though, in regard to all those people who constantly b!tch
about ST:TNG constantly "stealing" from this or that old movie, or 
episode of TOS, LIGHTEN UP--some ideas occur independantly of each
other, and just tend to resemble each other superficially.) 

NOTE: Large humor content present in this message.

--
Chris Meadows // CHM173S@SMSVMA // CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
   "If blood be the price of admiralty, then I've just bought me 
    a naval commission."  -- Corwin, SIGN OF THE UNICORN, Roger Zelazny

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:12:55 GMT

satch@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Victor Corbin) writes:
:)<1992Nov21.192524.369@rivers> says
:)>Steven.K.Manfred says he'd give it a 9.3

:)A 9.3. A 9.3 What was this guy thinking.

Probably about the same thing I was. I gave it a 9.25.  :)

:)This was buy far the cheesyest 
:)episode of STTNG.  And really bad cheese at that.  It had many of the chedder

You obviously haven't seen the episode with Riker's father in it.

:)I think should take a good look at who he calls good actors and actresses.
:)The woman who played the docter was awful.  She couldn't act to save her life.

I don't think she was awful, but I do think she had a little left to be
desired.

:)She a potentionally good episode sound like a cross between a bad commercial 
:)and "The Brady Bunch"  "When my reactor core breaks down I use one of these,
:)The Exo-Comp. Its fast easy and there's no messy clup"  What the Hell!

Considering the alternative, letting it fall to pieces, what did you want
her to do?

-- 
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ancient West?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:22:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

Maybe it's just me but hearing it called that sounded funny. I guess by the
24th Century it really would be ancient though. Simply 'The Old West' is how
I am used to hearing it.

It was funny though when Data used western slang and Worf really seemd to
enjoy the program...

I wonder if they can learn from their mistakes and modify Data's language
programming so he can use contractions at will or any other slang talk he
might choose to use. Maybe even give him emotions, but that would destory
an important element of the show.
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From: drl@sol.acs.unt.edu (Dianna Laakso)
Subject: Re: Picard's head
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:28:16 GMT

Clive_Camm@mindlink.bc.ca (Clive Camm) writes:

>What's wrong with bald?  Wait until the majority of the baby-boomers lose
>their hair.  Then it will be stylish to be bald.

I think bald men are sexy!
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:42:30 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov15.073110.5746@u.washington.edu> cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker) writes:
>In article <rawdon.721809957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>In <1992Nov14.210024.338@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>>Obviously your empire is something of a dictatorship....

>>>May I say that your review was one of the least intelligent I've ever
>>>read, not to mention extraordinarly sexist?

>>This from the person (and I use the term loosely) who, finding his
>>assertion that I simply can't accept that TNG could produce anything as
>>good as Classic Star Trek falling apart because I (gasp!) actually though
>>that TNG has produced some excellent episodes, states that my enjoyment of
>>those episodes must just be the exception that provies the rule.

>>So, regarding "intelligence": Physician, heal thyself!

>Regarding sexist -- GET OFF TROI'S BUTT!

>In your original article (I tried to reply to it, but my computer 
>froze, sorry), you said that Troi's butt was too large for leather
>pants, and more things in that vien.  Your sexism was so loud, we 
>couldn't hear the rest of your commentary.  Heal _thyself_, sir.

Excuse me, lady, but you should perhaps pay attention to just WHOM you are
accusing before you start flaming.  I DID NOT write the original review
to which you refer.  If you will take a few seconds yo go back and look at
it, you will see that it was written by myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Matt J. Martin).

But I'm sure all the other "type-before-they-think" posters on the net enjoy
your contibution to their efforts.

Sheesh.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Can this world not do better than you for a champion?"
"Probably.  I just do the best I can."
					- The Brigadier
					  Doctor Who, "Battlefield"
					  [Probably misquoted]
From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Vulcan actress and Worf's mate
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:34:09 GMT

In article <1eb6gtINN79b@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank 
 Sereno) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov17.155900.17456@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, s_goetz@irau33.
ra.uka.de (Oliver Goetz) writes:
>>In article <g92n3258.68.721916186@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.r
.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
>>|> Besides "Sarek" and "Unification", they appear in "Encounter at Farp
int" 
>>|> and "Conspiracy"
>>
>>Don't forget the Vulcan doctor in "The Shizoid Man". However,
>>she had a strange name for a Vulcan woman (no T').
>>
>>                                |  "Ich kann mit einem
>>Oliver "Oli the Grate" Goetz    |   Eierloeffel Fledermaeuse toeten!"
>>  (s_goetz@ira.uka.de)          |                     - Monty Python
>
>
>And.......if anyone didn't notice.....the same actress who played the Vu
can in
>'The Shizoid Man' is, IMHO, the same actress who played Worf's mate.
>
>Anyone else care to comment?
>
>Frank Sereno
>Kansas State University


I can't believe it!  Star Trek: The Next Generation actually casts
the same actors in more than one role?  I can remember that Mark
Lenard was the only Trek actor to portray a Vulcan, a Klingon, and 
a Romulan, and that Diana Muldaur portrayed 2 or 3 different doctors
in the old series in addition to her Dr. Pulaski role on ST:TNG, but
to find out that ST:TNG does it too--that's great!  (Of course, I
already knew about their cross-casting of Rene as young Picard, but...)_

--
Chris Meadows // CHM173S@SMSVMA // CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
   "If blood be the price of admiralty, then I've just bought me 
    a naval commission."  -- Corwin, SIGN OF THE UNICORN, Roger Zelazny
From: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ---< fistful o' datas >--
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 

as Michael Neylon muttered incoherently to All on 11-10-92  17:35...

 MN> COMMENTS!
 MN> Finally! Continuity! (RED ALERT)  The introduction of the flute, Spot,
                                                            ^
                                heh, either it's continuity, or he's the
                                re-incarnation of the Patrick Troughton
                                Dr. Who... <g>

 MN> Worf was done quite well.  He held up to character as the stoic
 MN> security guard at all times during the show.  Troi was done also well,

And Worf finally gets to _win_ a gunfight, almost makes up for last
episode...

 MN> The plot was pretty good.  I normally dont get along with westerns,

Me either, I was expecting "Spectre of the Gun II"

 MN> Rating: 8.5 out of 10    Still not enough SF for my tastes....also
 MN> the cheesy ending brought it down....'Riding off into the sunset' was 
 MN> definitely not needed.

Ahh, cm'on it was a great shot, and considering the episode was worth a
few laughs, it tied in pretty good.

-=.\=-

... If it ain't broke yet, let me have a shot at it.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
From: menery@anthem.gn7cg.osd.mil ( Ristonofer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:40:30 GMT

>>Jean-Luc Picard is French speaking English.
>>He was obviously taught by an English person, therefore he speaks English (as
>>in the English that is spoken in England) with a French accent.

>I would dispute this. I say he speaks American English. If he did speak
>English then he wouldn't mispronounce the rank lieutenant as _loo_tenant.

(various stuff deleted)

Actually, JL Picard is speaking "new" French, which is English.  It is well-
known that England conquers France sometime in the late 21st century, but keeps
them as a quaint wine-making colony.  (Source:  The episode with Picard's
brother and the stupid little Cockney kid.)


--
Ristonofer
menery@anthem.gn7cg.osd.mil
"What a weird bunch of self-important little primates we are."
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From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:38:07 GMT

In article <gp2001-171192015521@m248-112.bgsu.edu>
gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov15.105307.12408@reed.edu>, odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
>wrote:
>>
>>
>>   None posted previously *to my knowledge* at any rate.
>>
>>   Eli (Data) at the jail, Pa turns away to walk back over to Worf.  When he
>
>>
>>   And a continuity observation from "Time's Arrow II" to "Fistfull of Datas":
>>   Troi talks about smoking with Samuel Clemens (Troi: (distastefully) "I
>>   wouldn't know." [referring to Havana Cigars]).  It just struck me as odd that
>>   she is quite obviously comfortable with smoking (and not a little proficient
>>   at it) a mere few episodes later.  Perhaps Clemens sold her on the idea? :)
>>
>
>I believe Troi never really smokes (I don't think it's possible on the
>ship, anyway), she just gnaw's on the stogie (sp?) like it's a Slim Jim
>
>-Greg
WRONG!  Troi deliberately blew smoke from said stogie or whatever directly into
Worf's face!  Hard to do if you aren't actually smoking.
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From: James_A._Fasci@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:01:43 EST
Subject: Re: Sexism and the Dorm-Rec review of "Fist Full of Datas" (spoilers)

It makes perfect sense for Troi to be "Packing Heat" on the Holodeck; as an
empath real violence would be quite discomforting - on the holodeck she could
participate without sensing the anguish of those on the receiving end.  She might
even have a minor fascination for such situations since they are something
she'd normally want to avoid, yet can have without discomfort on the holodeck.
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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: Okay, I admit it; I really liked "A Fistful of Datas."
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:26:13 GMT

Spoilers for "A Fistful of Datas:"


Well, that was a *lot* better than I had expected.  This is, I feel, the
best job TNG has done on a humorous episode -- perhaps the only good job.
The technobabble was kept done to a bare minimum -- just enough to satisfy
some curiousity.  For instance, Worf didn't bother to give a detailed
explanation into how his forcefield would actually work; he just mentioned
the power source.  Geordi didn't give a detailed explanation as to why
the secondary systems fouled up; he just went ahead and fixed the damage.
This helped keep the episode moving right along.  On the other hand, the
writers didn't throw away well-known facts about the Enterprise or re-write
characters to fit a humorous script; the show was funny while still using
the same old characterizations we know and love (Data was an exception,
but for obvious reasons...)  I'd give this episode a 9.5, easily.

I haven't been reading the spoilers over the past week, so pardon me
if these questions have been asked before:

1.  Did anyone else realize that the crew of the Enterprise was "riding off
into the sunset" at the end of the episode?  (Nice visual effect, that!)

2.  Is this the first time that we've seen a full view of the new wall in
the conference room?  (Yeah, I know, a geek question, but what the hey... :^)

3.  Was Spot played by the same cat?  We thought he looked different...

-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: ***Spoiler*** Comments on "A Fistful of Datas"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 01:52:39 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

***Spoilers***



Well, *that* was certainly a lot of fun.  



"A Fistful of Datas" is the best non-serious episode of TNG since
"Deja Q," and much of it is *just* as funny.  Even the forced humor
works.  What's better though, is that it manages to be exciting and mostly
fast-paced at the same time as it's being funny, things that  
last week's "Rascals" failed quite miserably at. 

Some Random Comments:

- To begin with, kudos go to the writers for the opening scene where we
see Picard playing his flute from "Inner Light."  It's really a testament
to just how powerful that episode was because all the emotions I felt while
watching IL, I felt again, just during the short time Picard was playing his
flute.  Well done.

- Who woulda thought it?  Brian Bonsall *can* give more than a one-note 
performance.  He still has some problems, but he's getting much better.

- Sirtis as "Counselor Durango" (-: was excellent, and as funny as Troi's
ever been.  I wasn't too thrilled when I heard she was going to be in
this episode, but she was a delight to watch.  Nice accent too. 

- Speaking of accents, Spiner did a mostly wonderful job on his multiple
roles.  Frank Hollander was about as different from Data as you could get,
and I was pleased to see that Spiner can play a villian that in no way
resembles how he plays Lore.  The other Hollander, though, was only so-so.
I have no problem with the portrayal itself, but the fact that it bore
little resemblance to the other actor we saw playing Eli before.  Maybe
it was intentional.  Data as Miss Anny was priceless, though, as I didn't
see it coming.  

- The return of Data's poetry!  Nuff said. (-: 

- Hmmm...looks like they rebuilt the Vico from "Hero Worship," *also*, 
interestingly, a Patrick Stewart directed episode.  Coincidence or fate,
you decide.

- The shootout scene towards the end was very impressive, in large part
due to Stewart's directing.  The tension built up just enough as Alexander
and Eli passed one another that when Hollander yells, "Eli, get down!" it's
very exciting.  This episode is pure camp, witnessed by the slowly falling
gun surely spellin the death of Worf. (:  But it works.  Maybe Worf should
start wearing a firearm on the bridge instead of a phaser.  Then maybe he
could hit a dimwitted Ferengi.

- Yes, it was cheesy.  Yes, it was campy.  Yes, it was obvious, but having
the Enterprise "impulsing" off into the sunset was the best way to end
this episode that took itself not seriously at all.  

This was as good as I hoped it would be.  It drags just a *tiny* bit
in the middle, but not enough to do any serious damage.

Grade: 9.5

Next Week:


Considering that Frakes has directed "The Offspring," "Reunion," 
"The Drumhead," and "Cause and Effect," I am *extremely* hopeful.  We'll see...







-- 
Jose Gonzalez
From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Poor Frenchies (was Picard's Accent
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:53:38 -0500
Summary: talk about a back-handed compliment!
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Pity the poor french....

In the original Star Trek, there were no frenchmen.  In TNG they tried to make
up for that, and give a tip of the hat to France, by making the captain of the
Enterprise a frenchman, Jean-Luc Picard. 

But in order to explain Picard's english accent, they had to postulate that
France must suffer the indignity of being conquered by the brits (!) and their
language virtually eradicated!!!  Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?

Incidentally, my surname is french, and I look french, and can even speak a
little french, but my accent is pure southern drawl.  I would expect that in
400 years, the connections between accent and ethnicity to be even more
scrambled.

- xenon
From: goertzen@unixg.ubc.ca (Leslie Goertzen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Clint and Data
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:58:33 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Spoilers ahead!

Viewers in some parts of the Pacific NW had a lucky coincidence on the 
weekend, The original spaghetti western "Fistful of Dollars" was shown
just a few hours before the ST:TNG episode of nearly the same name. The 
endings were most similar, particularly the business about the shield (an
iron plate for Clint) and Data using the line "Go ahead, shoot me" exactly
the way the man with no name used it (he even sounded like Clint). Anyone
notice any other similar bits.

Les Goertzen
UBC

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From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: myempire (Matt J. Martin)
Keywords: none
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:03:10 GMT


	I just felt a pressing need to let everyone know that all the students
at Purdue are not as sexist, demented, and sad as Matt J. Martin (myempire).
Actually, the vast majority of people I've met here are human beings with a
sense of equality.  Flame away at him--he deserves it.

Christine
From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: Re: New Picard
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:27:33 GMT


cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
|>I think you have missed the point: Picard in _Rascals_ was not old,
|>he was about 12 years old, physically, and desperate to save his ship because
|>Number 1 can't fight his way out of diapers.  Fortunately, a large
|>six-shooter did not appear and proceed to shoot the _Enterprise_ full of
|>holes!

Riker can't fight his way out of diapers???  Yeah right.  Just ask Picard (after his little
whiping by Riker's Hathaway, that Klingon second officer he made eat floor boards, or 
the Borg.  And that's just the ones I can recall in under 20 seconds.

Bryan

What the hell is going on?
                   -Riker (at least once an episode)