From: jon@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Jon E. Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Lambda Amateur Radio Club vs. the ARRL
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:49:57 GMT

In article <#XFLH8D@ais.org> tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.205201.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Jon E. Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr16.180327.25846@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:
>>> 
>>>>ARRL is a "private" club as near as I can tell, and I can't see how 
>>>>the Lambda folks could ever prevail.
>>
>>Why, isn' it curious? *I* happen to be a member of this lil' private
>>club. Fancy that! and *I* want to accept advertisements from LARC.
> 
>   I would imagine that with most ARRL members being 'up there in years,'
>the majority of them would probably be opposed to the notion of LARC.  I'm
>26 years old, & making payments on an ARRL Life Membership, & I'm quite
>happy that the ARRL *apparently* (just going by this thread) isn't
>interested in the LARC.

I really don't care a whit if 'the arrl' is or is not interested in the LARC.
What I am interested in is that they do not discriminate.  It's simple. Those
of you (like yourself, apparently) who are bigots and hate mongers will have
to move forward and open your minds. You cannot go about dictating who may
or may not participate in society.

>>Too bad the ARRL didn't ask me about my personal and social life before
>>they pestered me to join up... Funny though, they didn't want me for
>>a long time just because I didn't want to learn their silly ol' Morris code.
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Yeah, that Morris code is pretty tough!  I found the Morse Code to be a lot
>easier to learn.

Obviously you :

1.) Are among the terminaly humor impaired

and/or

2.) Don't read this group much

But that's OK. It _is_ funny that you might think I actually don't know that
.... .. .... .. .... ..

>>Well, the times they is a changing. I fully intend to rejoin the ARRL,
>>heck, I'll even become a LIFE member.... Yeah, that's it. I'll do it
>>next payday. Love the magazine, and the advertisements too! Fun and
>>entertaining new radio clubs to join and all that.
>>
>      Wonderful rhetoric, but the United States of America isn't a private
>club.  If you think about it, perhaps you'd agree that our Nation gives a
>group like the ARRL the right to disagree with a certain 'lifestyle,' much
>like the ARRL would probably not allow advertisements for the KKK Radio Klub
>to be published.   If you don't like the ARRL's policy, don't rejoin, or do
>something constructive to attempt to change that policy.

I've indicated that I *will* rejoin, Brother Member. Further I've indicated   
That I *will* seek constructive methods to battle indecency and prejudice 
within MY ARRL.

No one is asking you to agree with anyones lifestyle. I hardly can agree with
yours (which, apparently, is to stick your head in the sand and kick at things
you cannot see.) 

As for the 'rights' OUR Nation gives to the ARRL, those 'rights' are based on
and dependent on the rights (inalienable, imagine that!) of our citizens.
Among those are the Rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Remember those? Well, if the ARRL is systematicaly discriminating against
Lesbian, Bisexual, and Gay members of our society, then they can hardly be
given the priveledge of administering resources shared by all citizens. These
include Amateur Radio examinations, special lobbying status, etc...

What *you* might want to do is create the Bigoted and Small Minded Radio League.

As for the KKK, where go you get off comparing the two? Gay, Bisexual and
Lesbian individuals do not go about killing people, systematicaly attempting
to deny people rights, to terrorize and harm them, nor to spread hatred and
distrust. Get a clue loser...

I suppose you're the type who's happy that they aint a lot o' them colored
folks in the hobby too, eh? I hope that'll change as well.

>>The dinosaurs died like this, I think...
>>
>>We're here, We're Queer, Bleeding well get used to it OM's....

It bears repeating. Do NOT tread on me!

I must admit I have mixed feelings about this thread. I don't want to make
my, or anyones sexuality an issue here.  What I must do is address the issue
of the ARRL and discrimination. That is the reason for this thread. I am a
member of the ARRL, I am a Citizen of the United Stated of America, and I
am a member of the Gay, Bisexual and Lesbian community. Thus, it is relevant
and paramount that I make sure to have my voice heard. Surely most of you
have grown up enough to get past the 'Ewwwww, Cooties!' stage of life and
can clearly see that who and how people love is not a matter for derision.
Just as your own sexual and romantic expression is vital, so is anyone
elses. Follow ups on specifics of the sexuality issue, if desired are
best posted to Soc.motss, Soc.bi, or other notable groups. Followups on the
ARRL issue are, obviously appropriate to this group.

Peace... Share the world, love your brothers and sisters.