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From: graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th (First 2 the best?)
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:57:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <1992Jul15.132252.9616@newstand.syr.edu>, 
>dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes...
> 
>	Friday The 13th is a very influential and trendsetting film,
>	in that it really opened the floodgates on the slasher genre.
>	But that's not exactly an achievement to be proud of.
> 
>	It has a few minor merits, but for the most part, its just
>	junk.  And the stuff that follows is even worse.
> 
>	Darin Powell
>	dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu

Actually, the original _Night of the Living Dead_ broke down alot of the
tabbos, _The Omen_ and _The Exorcist_ set the stage for mainstream horror
films, and _Halloween_ really kicked the flodgate open for 'slasher'
films with it's widespread popularity and success.  

The _Friday the 13th_ and _Nightmare on Elm Street_ films are all sad
profit-only ripoffs of the movies that really made this genre possible...

Then again, I may be wrong...

Rocko Graziano

           +------------------------------------------------------+
           |   "In a democracy, we are obliged to embrace both    |
           |    its joys and its discomforts."     David Bowie    |
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Is Texas Chainsaw Massacre worth renting
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:04:46 GMT

In article <Brvq5p.AuM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>   I am contemplating on whether I should renTexas... (never saw it).
>   I haven't seen part 2 either, but I did see Leatherface part 3 and didn't
>   really cared for it.  This doesn't mean I don't care to see the first two
>   parts.  Should I rent them or not?

No... I watched the first one, and it's as boring as all the other "maniac 
follows teenagers to house in the country and chops them up" movies.  Don't
waste your money...  get something with a plot.

-- 
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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Stephen King books, soundtrack & magazine WANTED!
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:55:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.125317.12731@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.160550.24506@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>>I want a hardback copy of Stephen King's second best novel called
>>Christine. The book must be in good shape. Then, I want the CD or LP
>>soundtrack of the very same movie, Christine. I mean the record with
>>'real' music by various artists and not the music by John Carpenter.
>>Then I want one thing more: The Magazine Of Fantasy & Science Fiction,
>>Dec. 1990 (the special Stephen King issue). Then, maybe, my friend
>>would like to have a copy of Firestarter in asbestos cover (26 copies
>>made). 
>
>
>	Boy, you must have millions of unwanted dollars to
>	waste.  At least, you better have.

I don't have any unwanted dollars to waste... I think that those first
three items are not too expensive (hardback Christine, Christine
soundtrack and The Magazine Of Fantasy & Science Fiction, Dec. 1990).

Its my friend who would like to have that asbestos Firestarter (and I
think that that he doesn't have enough money to buy that asbestos
thing... it was just a joke). If my memory serves, one copy of 
it was sold some time ago for $22,000... I've never ever had that much
of money myself!

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
From: andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Is Texas Chainsaw Massacre worth renting
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:12:10 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc.
In-reply-to: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 24 Jul 92 06:03:22 GMT

TCM #1 is much better than seqs. It's also less bloody.
Andy
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From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:23:33 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <Jul.21.13.24.20.1992.19425@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>azathoth@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Keith Counsell) writes:
>
>>Ok, who else out there has a mythos-originated user name?  
>Lots of us...

 Yep. 

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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Anyone but Stephen King
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:39:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.025048.29107@news.nd.edu> wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) writes:
>Well, I think Stephen King is pretty much overrated-  he seems to truly have
>run out of anything interesting to say years ago.  Right now, I think he's
>responsible for killing more trees than MacDonald's.  Frankly, I wish his
>editor(s) would have the guts to stand up to him and say "Steve- we really
>don't need another 1500 page novel this year- could you trim it a bit to a
>reasonable length?"

Well, I happen to like him.  I don't think he's some kind of god, but I do
enjoy most of his stories.  (Except _Gerald's Game_  :))

>
>Anyway, some authors that I would like to see discussed are: Skipp and Spector
>(I noticed some discussion starting), David Schow, Richard Christian
>Matheson, Joe R. Lansdale, Dean Koontz and Ramsay Campbell.  Can we leave
>King alone for awhile and talk about other authors?

I don't know if we are talking about the same guy or not, but Dean R.
Koontz has used the name Joe Lansdale as a pen name in the past.  Just
though I would poing that out.

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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Is Texas Chainsaw Massacre worth renting
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:03:22 GMT

   I am contemplating on whether I should renTexas... (never saw it).
   I haven't seen part 2 either, but I did see Leatherface part 3 and didn't
   really cared for it.  This doesn't mean I don't care to see the first two
   parts.  Should I rent them or not?

   Thanks


-- 
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Xref: sparky alt.horror:2919 rec.arts.books:13373
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Favorite and Worst Horror Flicks
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:19:14 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Jul22.144908.9590@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:

   Ok, here are my favorite horror flicks....

   7. Arachnaphobia (I hate spiders, good for a jump or two)

I remember the scene in the old barn, the guy is slooooooooowly
walking up the stairs, the music is creepy, he finds a SPIDER!  After
I'd quit laughing, I commented to my wife that it takes a real
directorial talent to make a scene like that have absolutely no
impact.  She was still coming back down from the ceiling...
Apparently one's reaction to Arachnophobia depends critically on one's
fear of spiders...

   Now here is a list of Flicks I hated!

   8. Something Wicked This Way Comes (wake me up when its gone)

No, this was a great movie.  Did a wonderful job of getting inside a
little kid's head, and seeing the world through his eyes.  I loved
every minute of this one.

Some truly awful movies?  I made the mistake of seeing ``Spellcaster''
Monday... there was that one Darryl Hannah was in, ``The Final
Terror'' I think?  ``The Outing.''  I'll get flayed for this, but I
found ``Suspiria'' very dull...  Most of the really boring ones I
don't even remember now.  I just shudder when I come across them at
the video store.

-Joe.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Anyone but Stephen King
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:51:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.082502.1777@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>
>I haven't picked up a Koontz novel in awhile just because I got a little 
>tired of the formula I felt like he relied on too much.  Inevitably there's 
>a lonely man and a young, lovely woman whose paths cross because of bizarre 
>circumstances.  They battle the "bizarre circumstances" and, incredibly, 
>come out of it alive, unscathed, and live happily ever after.  I think the 
>last one I read was the one about the subliminal messaging/mind control 
>thing.  If there's anyone out there who can recommend one of Koontz's books 
>that doesn't have this pattern, I'd sure welcome it.  I think his premises 
>are generally quite interesting, but I wish he'd get away from the 
>cardboard cutout characters.
>
>Andrea @ BVC

I hate the formulas, but for some strange reason, I still really enjoy the
stories.  Anyway, if you want to find some Koontz books that don't follow
his formula, you'll have to go way back.  In his EARLY books, he didn't
even come close to having any kind of formula.  Of course these are mainly
science fiction books, although I have run across a horror book or two. 
And some of them are actually really good.  Of course it's hard to find
books that are about 15 or 20 years old like this, but so far my
collection is up to about 40 stories (one book is a collection of about 8
stories.  So somewhere around 30 books)

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From: wlamonac@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Skipp and Spector...
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:16:19 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul21.233529.2531@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts) writes:
>
>	I found these two guys a year or to ago while rummaging through
>
>a bargain books bin at the local Paper Cutter (It's a Buffalo thing).
>I picked up _DeadLines_ for $1.50 and got a thrill which deserved to have
>come from a hardcover! Unfortunately I heard that it was not published
>as such. 
>	The next thing I read from these guys was _The Scream_ which was
>not quite as good but was still n above average horror novel. They have, I
>believe, two other novels out, _The Tunnel_ may be one of them and I TOTALLY
>forget the name of the others. Unfortunately I cannot find these in local 
>bookstores.
>
>	Question time...
>	Has anyone seen these other two books, I'm not sure that they are
>readily available and/or still in print.
>	Does anyone know how good these other two books are? 
>	Has anyone heard anything about their plan on to do a joint musical-
>literature project? I believe that the goal was to write a soundtrack for a 
>novel. I don't know exactly how this would work, what with different reading
>speeds and stoping in the middle of chapters and what-not.
>

I'm glad to Skipp and Spector fans out there-  I have (I think) all of their
books- They are
	DeadLines
	The Scream
	The Light at the End
	The Bridge
	(One more whose title escapes me)

The Bridge is their latest book- I got it last September, but only started 
reading it two days ago- it's interesting, but I think that The Scream is
their best overall.  As with a lot of splatterpunks- their books are hard to
find-  I haven't seen a copy of The Bridge in a while.  If I remember, I'll
get the address of their publisher and post it-  You might be able to order
copies through them.

BTW-  There is an ad in the back of The Bridge for the soundtrack to the
novel-  I haven't ordered it so I can't say if it's any good.

And- while you're at it, you may want to look for books or stories by
David Schow- he writes in the same vein as Skipp and Spector (In fact I
believe all three are friends, and may have collaborated on short stories
in the past).
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:40:03 EDT
From: Doug "Bish" Bischoff EMT-MAST <DEB110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Barker's _Imagica_

     Well, I just recently finished reading this book, and aside from the fact
that his writing style takes a little getting used to (it's the first C. Barker
book I've ever read), I don't know what to make of it.

     SPOILERS!!!!

     I had part of it spoiled for me by reading some horror rag's review of the
book that billed it as "... a retelling of the Christos myth..." so I was
looking for it while reading.
     I found it, and some neat fiction, some unpronouncable names, and... what?

     Anybody else who read the book who would like to perhaps start a discuss-
ion on what it was ABOUT and all that, I'd appreciate it.  I found the under-
currents of god vs. Goddess rather nice and all, but the idea that male gods
love to drive their predecessing Goddess counterparts underground (literally
in this book...) not at all novel, but perhaps new/shocking to some.

     Anybody?

      *     Doug "Bish" Bischoff   DEB110 @ PSUVM   aka Corwyn Blackwolfe
    *   *   Student Consultant / Mercenary Bard / Druid wanna-be / EMT-Mast
     * *    "An ye harm none, do what ye will.... but what wilt thou do?"

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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Alt.Horror Tongue Twister
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:56:24 EDT

Okay, gang! Here's an alt.horror tongue twister for ya!

Try repeating these names 10 times, real fast:

     William F. Nolan
     F. Paul Wilson
     Paul F. Olson


Have fun!
Darin

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From: goddard@sklib.usask.ca
Subject: SKIPP AND SPECTOR
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:10:22 GMT

In answer to your query on "anyone know of any other titles?"
According to Books In Print, the following are currently
available:

"The Cleanup" 1987 (0-553-26056-1) Bantam
"Dead Lines" 1989 Bantam
"The Light at the End" 1986 (0-553-25451-0) Bantam
"The Scream" 1988 (0-553-26798-1) Bantam
"Book of the Dead" 1989 (0-553-27998-X) Bantam

Hope this helps!

Heather
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: speaking of King's "Skeleton Crew..."
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:10:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer) writes:

>How can you resist buying it, motorizing it, and putting a motion
>sensor on it?

I can resist buying it 'cause I'd have nightmares
with it in my apartment. :)

-- 
          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
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From: c9107143@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THERE IS NO ESCAPE THE KURGEN HAS FOUND YOU)
Subject: Number of Amityvilles?????????
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:51:01 GMT

Does anyone know exactly how many Amityville movies have been made???
Thanks 
later
Kurgen
ps please e-mail me
From: z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Robin Cook
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:16:52 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Robin Cook books are some strange books dealing with doctor heath themes

I have read Harmful Intents (please don't kill me for spelling errors)
this spring semister

Robin Cook books are thought-provoking and plots keep the reader interested in
the subject(storyline)

No I have not read all her books because I read them in the library and do not
remember which books I have finished or just started.

However I have problems getting invoved in the his books but once I am invoved
cannot stop me!!
From: middleto5442@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: RE: skipp and spector
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:23:28 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa







                               Don't forget about the Clean-up.

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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Cemetary Dance subscription info?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:49:04 GMT


Could someone please post the address and current subscription
rates for the magazine "Cemetary Dance?" Thanks much.

-- 
          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:58:59 EDT

In article <22490@oasys.dt.navy.mil> obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek) writes:


>My personal opinion is that every woman in any King novel has been severely
>underdeveloped and stereotypical. I can't recall any woman from any
>of his books having any kind of career or interest of her own, only
>things that centered around "her man." I'm no flaming feminist or anything,
>but if you really think about this point, I think you'll find it's true.
>Jessie in Gerald's Game is no exception. Her entire life had been centered
>around her husband.

	I don't think "every" woman in King's work is dependent on
	"her man" -- Carrie White (_Carrie_), Mother Abigail (_The
	Stand_) and Susannah in the Dark Tower books are not.

	But for the most part, you're right...almost all the women
	are defined by their man, or are heavily reliant upon them:

	Carrie's mother in _Carrie_
	Wendy in _The Shining_
	Rachel in _Pet Semetary_ (who is a fairly independent
	  character until the end)
	Frannie in _The Stand_ (reliant upon Jess, her father, and
	  ultimately Stu)
	Charlie McGee in _Firestarter_ (dependent on her father)
	Susan Norton in _'Salem's Lot_                   
	Leigh Cabot in _Christine_ (dependent upon Arnie and Dennis...
	but Christine herself is another story)
	Bobbi Anderson in _The Tommyknockers_ (dependent upon Gard)

	and so on...

	There are other non-dependent women (Anne Anderson in _The
	Tommyknockers_ for example) but they are mostly secondary
	characters.           

	But I think the degree of dependedency has faded, as King
	has tried harder to write more realistically about women...
	There is a world of difference between sweet, innocent and
	helpless Susan Norton, and the tough, independent Bobbi
	Anderson.

	Jessie Burlingame kills her husband, and frees herself from
	the handcuffs, symbollically freeing herself from the 
	relationship, and the dependency.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University, Ninth Circle of Hell
From: M Maxwell
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Date: 22 Jul 1992 14:28:52 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Jul20.213900.3378@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> os360051@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
(T. Kurt Bond) writes:
(interesting stuff deleted)
>I'm curious: do many people who read Lovecraft also read things like
Burleson's
>study, or S.T. Joshi's _H.P. Lovecraft: Four Decades of Criticism_ (in which
>there is an interesting short article on Lovecraftian Pseudobiblia)?  Or are
>they more likely to have read Phileus P. Sadowsky's "Notes on a Fragment of
the
>Necronomicon" and "Further Notes on the Necronomicon" (the later published
>postumously and unfortunately unfinished)?
>
>--
>T. Kurt Bond, tkb@mtnet2.wvnet.edu  or  os360051@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
>

I usually read whatever i can get my hands on in terms of fiction by Lovecraft
and the circle of writers he inspired.  The other things (ie Joshi's criticism,
and various small press Lovecraftania) are difficult enough to find that i
haven't been able to read much.  The works published under the name Sadowsky
were published in Chaosium's "Call of Cthulhu" gaming materials previously,
and i had thought that they were only published there and written specifically 
for the game.  Confirmation anyone?
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART!
From: KSTE@vm.cc.purdue.edu (Kerry Stephenson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:16:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul21.131415.6568@nic.funet.fi>
tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
 
>I liked all of those stories in Creepshow except the one where that
>someone comes out of grave (don't remember its name just now...). The
>Lonesome Death of Jordy Verrill was great - and Stevie-boy is sooooooo
>funny in his movies :-). Do you know in which movies he appears? I
>know these ones:
>- Pet Sematary
>- Creepshow
>- Maximum Overdrive
>- Sleepwalkers
 
      I think the episode you're speaking of is called "Father's
      Day."
 
      SK also appears as a cameo (obnoxious audience member, poor
      white trash type) in a movie called Knight Riders.  As I
      understand it, King is pals with the folks who made the film
      and he did it as a favor.  The movie is about a group of
      bikers that go around the country doing Medieval jousting
      reenactments (?) on motorcycles.  It's actually very good.
 
      BTW, is there some way I can subscribe to this list directly,
      rather than having to read it via netnews?  The machine
      won't let me reply unless my reply is longer than the text
      being replied to (aren't they clever?)  Thanks,
 
                                               --KSTE
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Robert Macammond (sp??)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:06:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul23.044739.12101@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> waiw@CS.Stanford.EDU (Wai Kit Wong) writes:
>	Anyone has any book to recommend??? I will start the _Needful 
>Things_ tonight...

Are you into Stephen King? If so, I can recommend lots of things. What other
authors do you like?
			Laurel 
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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: King's band???
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:24:28 GMT

I just heard a very strange & funny thing on radio (Finnish radio,
that is). Stephen King has formed a rock band with some other authors
and book critics. They should play Ac/Dc -like music. Is this really
true or was the guy on radio just joking? The radio program which had
this announcement doesn't usually tell nothing else than real music
news and play some new music. But, somehow, I still don't believe this
can be true.IMHO, King should be just an author...

BTW, I can't get The Stand uncutted version from my local book stores.
I have the Finnish translation of it but I'd like to get it (paperback
is just fine) in english too. Could someone help me with it?

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?