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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: D Koontz
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.185432.20805@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:
>
>   I used to enjoy Koontz' work a lot, especially Strangers, Watchers and
> Lightning. I thought Watchers was one of the most enjoyable and suspenseful
> books in recent memory.

It's still my favorite.

>   Since Lightning, however, he's gone downhill, perhaps due to overwork.
> Midnight was quite good, the Bad Place was above average (yet there was
> a big flaw in it), and Cold Fire was poor. Hideaway I didn't like at all.
> It felt rushed. 

I thought The Bad Place was quite good (one of my favorites), and Midnight
was above average.  But I totally agree with Cold Fire and Hideaway.  I
particularily disliked Hideaway.  It seemed so blah to me.  Can't really
put my finger on it any better, it just didn't do anything for me.

>   The books that are being released in paperback (like House of Thunder,
> Voice of the Night, etc.) are his older works, and they definitely show
> it. His style has improved dramatically. I'm really careful now about
> any "new" Koontz book I pick up - if it's a re-issue of an older work,
> I think twice.

Actually I have a lot of the older works.  And I like them quite well. 
(Until you go WAY back into the sci-fi stuff.)  I have read all the old
stuff that's been re-issued and liked it all.  And I've read a lot of the
old stuff that hasn't been re-issued yet and like it as well.

>   Any news about the Koontz title 'Dragon's Tears'? I think it's his
> latest.     

I hope he gets back on track.  As I recall it's been a while since the
last one, so hopefully he's gotten things back in order.  I'm looking
forward to another great one.  I want to know when it'll come out.

>   PS: I didn't like Door to December, either!

Have to disagree with you again.  I loved it. :-)

>					Richard Paige
>
>					^ and that is my real name, honest!

Funny you hated Door to December then.
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Subject: New Graham Masterton Book
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:57:36 GMT


Attention Graham Masterton fans:

GM has a new book on the shelves, called THE BURNING. I haven't
bought it yet, but I saw it in two stores last night.

If you don't like Graham Masterton, then, er..., um,... well,...
uh,... don't buy it :-).

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From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Re: D Koontz
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:54:32 GMT

   I used to enjoy Koontz' work a lot, especially Strangers, Watchers and
 Lightning. I thought Watchers was one of the most enjoyable and suspenseful
 books in recent memory.

   Since Lightning, however, he's gone downhill, perhaps due to overwork.
 Midnight was quite good, the Bad Place was above average (yet there was
 a big flaw in it), and Cold Fire was poor. Hideaway I didn't like at all.
 It felt rushed. 

   The books that are being released in paperback (like House of Thunder,
 Voice of the Night, etc.) are his older works, and they definitely show
 it. His style has improved dramatically. I'm really careful now about
 any "new" Koontz book I pick up - if it's a re-issue of an older work,
 I think twice.

   Any news about the Koontz title 'Dragon's Tears'? I think it's his
 latest.     

   PS: I didn't like Door to December, either!

					Richard Paige

					^ and that is my real name, honest!


-- 

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From: russell@rwlnet.sas.upenn.edu (Russell W. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Count Yorga, Vampire!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: rlewis@mail.sas.upenn.edu

I am interested in any information that may be out there about the Count Yorga  
vampire movies of the seventies. Are these movies available on video? Does  
anyone remember the actual titles of thes films? I remember being terrified by  
these films as a child.  
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From: astoker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew Stoker)
Subject: Herbert && Barker
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:57:21 GMT

About a week ago, I was looking round a local bookstore, when I spotted what
appears to be a biography of James Herbert, and also today, I've seen a new (I
presume) book by him called ``Portent''.  Anyone had a look at either of these
two?  The biography looks tempting, but costs 18 pounds here in the UK.

Also, I now have my signed copy of Clive Barker's latest :-)

	Andy
--
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Leicester Uni.   | "Capital, we shall give you a horse that can't be ridden."
ajs6@leicester.ac.uk   |		      ``Wyrd Sisters'', Terry Pratchett
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:30:08 EST
From: <RXK110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Susperia_
 <1992Nov7.181436.25050@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 <1992Nov9.122113.2659@athena.mit.edu>

SUSPIRIA comes in three videotape versions: R-rated Pan & Scan, Unrated Dir.
cut Pan & Scan, and Director's Cut Letterboxed "Collectors Edition".
I have the Collectors Ed. on tape and have also seen the expurgated version
in the theater a few years back in Pittsburgh and can highly recommend any
version of the film that you can get your hands on (although the LBX is best,
you can still argue that seeing it on the Big Screen in any form is better).
Highly recommended, especially for the SURROUND-SOUND GOBLIN score which can
be picked up on CD imported from Japan (also check out their score for DEEP
RED (Profondo Rosso) which is even better IMHO)

CHAINSAW (wwwwwhhhhiiiittttcccchhhhh)
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The Shining
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 17:16:52 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Socioanarchy and a bit of feudalism

RE: Kubrick's "The Shining"
 
 I don't think that we need to dwell on why and how the movie "Shining" 
and the book "Shining" are different -- King's spoken at length about how 
he doesn't like the film at all, and that's understandable considering 
that, as someone's already pointed out, they're fundamentally different.
 
 But, this doesn't change the fact that the movie is not only scary, but 
is (as all great horror movies are) DISTURBING as well. I'll never be 
able to hear light jazz/swing music again without shivering...
 
marlowe

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From: melchar@shakala.rahul.net (Barbara Haddad)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: test post
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:07:54 PST
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

      Forgive the post; but could someone e-mail back to let me know if 
I'm here or only think I am.  :)  Thanks.

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: _Susperia_
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:14:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.165521.8315@noao.edu> kneale@noao.edu (ruth a. kneale) writes:
>I've seen several mentions of a movie (?) called _Susperia_ on
>here lately..in the 'scaries scenes' discussion.  A bunch of
>us here in good ol' Tucson have been wanting to get together for
>a good horror night...and this sounds good! However, I've never
>heard about it before ( shame, shame, I know)...would anyone
>out there mind telling me a bit about the movie?
>
>Posting or email responses are just peachy.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>-- 
>ruth a. kneale			I crave it all but don't get
>rkneale@noao.edu		any of it as often as I'd like.

After years of being one of the most requested titles to be released
on videocassette, somebody finally let director Dario Argento prepare
a directors cut, and released it as "Dario Argento's Susperia" <Magnum
entertainment, perhaps>

It is a great movie, but you have to just kind of go with it. The plot
is unimportant to the effect, essentially. The visual style, music,
and thrust of the film is astounding!

A student goes to a dance school in austria and discovers some very 
weird goings-on. I only recommend the directors cut, and I suggest that
you watch it LOUD on a Stereo VCR, in a mildly darkened room.

Theatre viewings are recommended, but since the two times I saw it in
the theater the prints were horrid, and severely cut, I recommend the
Videocassette. although I cannot understand why they didn't letterbox it,
since the widescreen framing is awesome!

Soundtrack by Goblin, frequent Argento collaborators, and the guys who 
did the music for "Deep Red", "Night Of The Zombies", and some
Michele Soavi stuff <I think>, as well as "Dawn Of The Dead".

It is the first part of a loose trilogy based on Italian Folklore.
The 2nd part is "INferno" <Music by Keith Emerson> , and we are awaiting 
the third.

Pretty much any Argento film is highly recommended, by me at least.

Bird with The Crystal Plumage
Cat O'Nine Tails
Four Flies On Grey Velvet
Deep Red
Inferno
Creepers <aka Phenomena>
Opera <aka Terror at the Opera>
Unsane <aka Tenebrae>
Two Evil Eyes <One segment by George Romero, one by Argento. Romero's Bites>

Tucson huh, my old home. 
Hope this helps, and drink one at the Wildcat House for me sometime. B}
<Or, gulp, "Dirtbags". heh>

					--Judex--

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From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: SUPPORT A WEREWOLVES NEWSGROUP
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:56:50 GMT

In the newsgroup, "alt.config" there is a proposal for a new alt.werewolves
newsgroup. If you read the proposal and think that this is a worthwhile
group, please show your support by posting a reply in the newsgroup. Even
if you don't read the proposal and you think that this is a worthwhile
group, then you can still show your support by posting a reply in the
newsgroup.:)
And spread the word!!

Thanks a kazillion
-Jordan
jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
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From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Full Moon Films
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:52:48 GMT
Organization: Socioanarchy and a bit of feudalism


 Trancers III impending? As the man says, excellent...
 
 Anyone else a "fan" (I use the word in the loosest possible sense) of 
the Trancers films? Zany, kookie stuff...the best part of the movies was
the ad line for part one:
 
 "Jack Deth is back...and he hasn't even been here before."
 
 I think that about sums it all up.
 
marlowe

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From: awalley@vax.path.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: New Barker/Herbert books
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:23:19 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Molecular Biology Data Centre
Nntp-Posting-User: awalley


Hi,
   For anyone who is interested there are two new horror novels out in the 
U.K. in hardback:

The Thief Of Always - Clive Barker --This seems to be a children's fairy-tale 
in the old tradition with a large number of original Barker b/w illustrations 
and a colour jacket illustration - I'll review it when I've finished it.

Portent - James Herbert -- This appears to be a modern horror novel but it is 
not confined to England which is a welcome change.

There is also a new hardback biography of James Herbert called "By Horror 
Haunted" by Stephen Jones, the editor of Fantasy Tales, which appears to be 
essential reading for Herbert fans.

Finally, has anyone read any Kim Newman e.g. The Night Mayor, Bad Dreams (?). 
I've just read "Jago" by the same author and that was pretty good so I'd like 
to know if his earlier work is worth searching out.

Thanks all,

Andrew Walley,
Oxford,
England
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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Campbell
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:05:26 GMT


  Any Ramsey Campbell fans out there?

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From: tlhouns@ns.pacbell.com (Lee Hounshell)
Subject: Re: D Koontz
Organization: Pacific Bell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:03:09 GMT

Dave Parry (dvp@getafix) wrote:
: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
: > I have been a fan of Dean Koontz..
: 
: He also published books under the pen-name Owen Sela. One of which,
: Funhouse..

Here in the U.S. the pen-name for Funhouse was "Owen West."

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From: ch730@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Quill)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: American Psycho?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 17:15:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Funny thing is, I found AP in a 'regular' book store.  I'd be surprised if Berkeley wouldn't have it.  (I was going to cross the bay to look for it when I found it at a Crown (at a reduced rate no less)).  

Xref: sparky alt.horror:4908 alt.cult-movies:10254 rec.arts.sf.fandom:1180 alt.fandom.misc:40
From: ch730@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Quill)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: American Psycho?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 17:13:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I sorta figured there wouldn't be many books like American Psycho out there.  It's just too graphic I 'spose.  It was sorta hard to find a copy of it actually.  I'll look into those  books you mentioned, but it doesn't sound like I'll find anything...
Xref: sparky alt.horror:4852 rec.arts.books:19703
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Algernon Blackwood Book
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:25:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <librik.721268917@cory.Berkeley.EDU> librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik) writes:
>
>Oh yes this.  This isn't as bad as most people seem to think it is.  It's
>not remarkable, but Blackwood is so good at atmospheric scenery that the
>actual silliness of the plot is overcome.  ("The Willows" and "The Wendigo",

	Hmmm.  The Wendigo (Wendy) is a monster in a fairly recent
	_Wolverine_ comic book, where it's pictured as being basically
	a large white ape; wonder how this accords with the story.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: kneale@noao.edu (ruth a. kneale)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Vampire Chronicals question
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:57:49 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

In article <1992Oct28.221002.10383@udel.edu> kelleher@claudia.ee.udel.edu (Jason D. Kelleher) writes:
>  Thanks for all the responses.  It saved me an hour drive home
>to get the book.  In case anyone out there wanted to know, here
>is the list (it is still short two names):
>
>Lestat		if you don't know...
>Louis		child of Lestat, gave the "Interview"
>Armand		child of Marius, owned the "Theatre des Vampires" (sp)
>Daniel		child of Armand, interviewed Louis
>Gabrielle	vampire who created Lestat, or Lestat's real mother (not sure)
>Marius		ex-caretaker of the King and Queen
>Maharet		child of Khayman, blind sister
>Mekare		child of Khayman, mute sister    
>Khayman		Egyptian vampire created by the Queen
>??????		great, great, great.... grandchild of Mekare
>??????		child of Maharet, saved the grandchild at the concert
>
>and, Claudia the child vampire created by Lestat.
>
>
> //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>///     Jason D. Kelleher              CIS Undergraduate Student    \\\
>|||     kelleher@ee.udel.edu                                        |||
>\\\     All disclaimers apply.         Bush: It's a shit beer too.  ///
> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////

I'm probably a bit late with this followup, I'm just catching up
the newsgroup.  If so, sorry! 

I'm currently in the middle of the second book of the series. 
Everything up there is correct except that (1) I dont' think Louis 
ever really made Daniel into a Child...just a slave.  Also, Lestat
made Gabrielle, not the other way around...she is his birth mother
and he made her as she was dying in Paris.

I'm looking forward to reading the third in the series!
-- 
ruth a. kneale			I crave it all but don't get
rkneale@noao.edu		any of it as often as I'd like.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:48:29 EST
From: <BFANTIE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: American Psycho?

There probably aren't a lot of books like "American Psycho" around. In fact,
Brett Easton Ellis had trouble getting it published. His original publisher
dropped the problem when a huge furor arose about the book being anti-woman.
Having read the book, I'm puzzled by this conclusion. Our serial killer
might display signs of sexism, racism, moneyism, etcism, etcism......but he
is an equal opportunity murderer. The book is really disturbing.....if you
can stand the endless detailed information gleaned from magazines like GQ
about fashion and brandnames.

There is an anthology (i found it in the same public library as i found
"american Psycho.....freedom of speech and artistic expression do exist
in small cells of political incorrectness even in America) of material
that might interest those who "enjoyed ???" American Psycho. It's called
"Splatter Punks" and contains references to other collections and short
stories and even rare novels of the genre.

I hope this helps.

Dr. B.
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: S. P. Somtow
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:17:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <BxB5A6.Ks2@rice.edu> harsh@owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani) writes:
>
>I read a book recently called _Vampire Junction_ by S. P. Somtow that I thought
>was pretty good. Has anyone read anything else by this author, or have opinions
>on this book?
>
Yah, I recently read 'Moon Dance' by Somtow.  As with your
thoughts on Vampire Junction, I thought it was pretty good....not
bad but not great either.  It was kind of a let down since the
front cover says something like "Somtow does for Wereworlves what
Rice did for Vampires".  NOT!!!!!
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Primal Scream Therapy
Keywords: inxs's "suicidal blonde" sounds like "soup and salad bar"
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 17:45:23 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Socioanarchy and a bit of feudalism

maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Avoid normal situations.) writes:

> 
>   Good day, fellow netterpunks. Since this is "alt.horror", I would like
> to express my horror at the election of Bill Clinton to the Oval Office.
> 
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
> 
>   Ah. That feels much better.
>   Thank you.
> 
> 							Love & kisses,
> 
> 						The Stainless Steel Moviegoer
> 
> 						Romero/Savini in '96!

 
 Well, Tipper "Madame Nazi" Gore now has access to the White House, but I 
prefer that to four MORE years of neo-conservative rubbish.
 
 Hey...this is alt.horror, not alt.presidents (or whatever)...maybe we 
can drag this back on topic by naming all of the horror films that have 
featured cameos by US presidents (past or present).
 
 Um...then again, maybe not.
 
a very dazed marlowe

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:54:10 EST
From: Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Friday The 13th (TV E

The old man, Louis Vondrede(R.G. Armstrong) is not going to be in the new
Friday The 13th movie, its going to be Ryan(John D. LeMay). Which episode
did Miki(Robey) die in? I don't think I saw that one.
From: tgtchb@tb1.chem.tue.nl (Harold C.L. Baur)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Omen (was Re: Best Horror Scenes?)
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:43:32 GMT
Reply-To: tgtchb@chem.tue.nl

evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney) writes:

>Best Horror Scene: _The Haunting_ where everyone is gathered in a room
>and "It" is pressing in against the doors from the outside. My hair is
>standing on end now just thinking about it. Definitely one of the best
>horror movies of all time. No blood, no guts, and utterly terrifying.

>Evan

   Ah, best horror scenes... here are my favorites:

* [The Shining]: Jack breaks down the door of the bathroom where his
  wife is hiding, quoting from "the three piglets" (dunno wether that's
  the correct name in english ;-). Finally, he manages to peek through
  a hole in the door, saying "Here's Johnny."  Horrible.

* [The Beyond]: The part in which a few spiders mutilate somebody's face,
  eating the victim's tongue and eyes. Can I have that in 3-D, daddy?

* [The Thing, Carpenter's remake]: When they chop off this guy's head, 
  which then grows tentacles and tries to escape. 
  "You gotta be f*ckin kiddin' me..."

* [Jaws]: They harpooned the shark, using some yellow plasic barrels as
  a kind of tracking device. Later, there is a scene in which the three
  guys are getting drunk in the ship's cabin whilst outside at sea, the
  yellow barrels suddenly surface... giving me the creeps.

* [Alien]: Ripley's cat (on a spring) popping up when you actually
  expected the creature. Kinda "easy" , yet effective :-)

* All "(near)-last-scene-shockers" when you thought it was over... like 
  the hand from the grave in "Carry", the decomposed body surfacing in 
  "Friday the 13th", the ape in "Monkey Shines", and many more...

Not many cents I guess,
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Subject: Re: Koontz's Hideaway 
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:32:09 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

>   "One of the greatest sorrows of human existence is that some
>    people aren't happy merely to be alive but find their
>    happiness only in the misery of others."
>                                           --Dean R. Koontz
> 
> (Anyone want to guess the book this is from?)
> 

Hmmm I'll guess one of the earlier ones, how about _Shattered_?

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