From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:26:27 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories



>Certainly solid waste disposal is a problem. A very large problem, where I
>live, we had a 10 year political war over where the new county dump was to
>be located. It needs to be attacked using a rational set of priorities.
> 
>Here's an example: The common telephone book, distributed by your local
>phone company every year. It's several hundred pages, and does not biodegrade
>especially well. It is a major component of the bulk of what you find in
>a landfill. It's not all that great for recycling ("Yellow Pages." Get the
>idea?)... the French attacked the problem by distributing Minitel terminals
>to customers, allowing them to dial up the local on-line phone book, get
>up to the minute phone numbers, or to intelligently search for businesses
>of specific types with specific characteristics. Why can't we do that?
> 

That works, that's fine, but I still do not understand your objection to 
putting away our wasteproducts responsibly. I don't think you do either. I 
think your objection at this point has become personal. The landfills are 
full of all sorts of things that could be used again or disassembled and 
returned tothe environment. We must consider the destruction of a every 
product when we create it. Why is this such a problem for you?


>Let me also add that a good chunk of the newsprint you congratulate yourself
>for putting out in recycle bins for the trash collectors goes straight into
>either warehouses waiting for buyers... and stays there... or goes straight
>into landfills. Recycling only works when it makes economic sense and should
>only be used when it does LESS damage to the environment than NOT recycling.

This is a result of the users of the wood product favoring unused resourses 
and maintaining old relationships with the producer of said resourse. That 
is one of the biggest problems in trying to get recyled materials used in 
packaging. I've tried to work on this for years and there really isn't a 
reason why a cardboard box cannot be made out of recycled wood pulp as 
compared to no-recycled wood pulp. It's just a manufacturer preference.

	The point I have been making is putting the waste back into the 
environment in a reclaimable form. You don't seem to be catching on to this 
and I'm running out of patience.


> 
>No, I disagree with you because you are dead wrong. And I stand by my
>statement that you need to do some SERIOUS study in this area if you don't
>like making a fool of yourself publically, your post confirms it. Let me
>add that ***I*** am still studying this and related areas, and expect to
>spend the rest of my life doing so. I'm interested in SOLUTIONS. Not
>trying to defend ideas as easily discredited as yours.
>                                                 A.Lizard


	Your nescience is truly astounding. You deleted the mass of 
my post, probably because it showed my intent, and that doesn't look good 
if you are going to cling to your attitude. I have not advocated recycling 
as a religion, as you would like to believe. I'm not going to re-post my 
positions because they are available elsewhere and you would ignore them as 
usual. If you where mature enough to listen to someone who you disagree 
with instead of just grabbing amunition for your flamewar, you might see 
the simple truth in what I have been trying to get you to see. Since you 
aren't, there is really no point in writing any more responses to you. 

				- Ashley
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