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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Whalers trade Holik for Burke & Weinrich
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:

>Don't know what Lou expects to do with Holik, but it looks like Brian 
>improved the Whaler's backline some with this deal.  Weinrich is pretty 
>solid.

I balked when I saw that Eric Weinrich was in that deal ... it would
have been much better to have been ripped off by getting just Dave
Andreychuk for Burke rather than lose both Burke *and* Weinrich ...
the Whalers need steadier D, but that comes from a senior player such
as Brad Marsh and not a third year player like Eric Weinrich.  Maybe
they'll use him as Zalapski's steady or something.  Anyways, Holik
better blossom under Stastny's guidance (remember talk two years ago
that they were going to deal Peter to The Whale as Holik's mentor?).

gld
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From: steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steve Salvini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,uk.misc
Subject: uk-hockey ice hockey mailing list
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:37:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


Well, here we are at the beginning of yet another season already so
what better time to join...


                 The uk-hockey Mailing List
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is an open invitation to followers of hockey in the UK to join a
mailing list dedicated to the discussion of (ice!) hockey in Britain.

The mailing list has been going for over a year now and is growing
steadily - please mail to the address below for further details and/or
to be included.  At present we are mailing out news, gossip, league
tables, match reports and results on a fairly regular basis - but
anything goes, well, if we can allow Roger "Sumo" Hunt fans on the
list, we can allow almost anything! :-)

So far we have supporters of Murrayfield, Fife, Bracknell, Humberside,
Lee Valley, Milton Keynes, Wasps, Devils, Warriors, Bristol, Gosport,
etc., etc.  plus two referees and players from Whitley Bandits and
Milton Keynes Royals.  Come on, add some support for you team - does
no-one in Nottingham or Peterborough or Sheffield, to name but three,
have net access!?!??


For more info, mail ->

	uk-hockey-request@uk.ac.hw.cs

Steve.

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From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Strat-O-Matic Hockey
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:02:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal


                    MONTREAL STRAT-O-MATIC HOCKEY LEAGUE
                          FINAL STANDINGS 1991-92
       (Based on the 1990-91 NHL statistics-so San Jose not in there)
                     (Graciously formatted by Steven Dufour)

                       PRINCE-OF-WALES CONFERENCE

                             ADAMS DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ
			
Boston        56  32  19   5  169  148    69    5    5-4-1     L1
Montreal      56  29  21   6  166  150    64    7    7-2-1     W1
Buffalo       56  23  26   7  151  144    53   14    4-5-1     W2
Hartford      56  19  30   7  134  166    45   15    5-5-0     W2
Quebec        56  12  41   3  128  214    27   21    1-9-0     L6


                            PATRICK DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Pittsburgh    56  33  19   4  190  155    70    4    4-4-2     W2
Rangers       56  31  18   7  188  134    69    6    5-2-3     L1
Philadelphia  56  27  22   7  153  148    61    9    4-4-2     L3
New Jersey    56  25  26   5  156  156    55   11    5-5-0     W2
Islanders     56  25  26   5  147  149    55   12    5-4-1     L2
Washington    56  19  32   5  129  186    43   19    5-4-1     W1


                           CAMPBELL CONFERENCE

                             NORRIS DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Chicago	      56  33  19   4  163  122    70    3    6-3-1     L1
St.Louis      56  26  22   8  180  140    60   10    5-3-2     W3
Detroit       56  25  28   3  168  183    53   13    5-3-2     W2
Minnesota     56  21  33   2  138  170    44   16    4-6-0     W1
Toronto       56  18  30   8  112  170    44   18    3-7-0     L4

                             SMYTHE DIVISION

              GP   W   L   D   GF   GA   PTS   OA   10 LAST   SEQ

Edmonton      56  38  15   3  182  115    79    1    9-1-0     L1
Los Angeles   56  35  18   3  208  161    73    2    5-5-0     W1
Winnipeg      56  27  21   8  157  145    62    8    5-4-1     L1
Calgary       56  18  30   8  160  180    44    17   2-7-1     W1
Vancouver     56  17  37   2  157  200    36    20   2-8-0     W1



P.S.:  Sorry for Caps' fans but I was Washington this
         season and have not been able to do anything good...

				
			Michel Arsenault
			arsenaul@ere.umontreal.ca




	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: david@softwords.bc.ca (David Hume)
Subject: Montreal Canadiens Schedule?
Organization: Softwords Research International
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:24:47 GMT


I have seen some schedules posted recently for the upcoming
NHL regular season: does some one have the Montreal Canadiens
one they could e-mail me?

Thank you beaucoup and merci very much!


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* david@softwords.bc.ca !   and I will go chasing nuns out in the yard"    *
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From: mch0@harvey.gte.com (Michael Hatz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FAQ Request
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:06 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

Mike Hatz
hatzm%venus.dnet@GTE.COM
From: mcp@usday32.Dayton.NCR.COM (Mike Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: It's the refs...not the rules !
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:02:07 GMT
Reply-To: mcp@usday32.UUCP (Mike Perkins)
Distribution: world
Organization: Dayton Unix Tower Support Center


	Does anyone out there actually beleive that the new rules
	will actually make a difference, especially when the 
	ones enforcing the rules are named Koharski, Stewart,
	VanHellemond, et all...

	Of course they won't.  Look at the new high sticking rule.
	Now a high stick is classified as above the waste instead
	of above the shoulders..  They won't call that either unless
	your Mario Lemieux.  

	Just look at last years play-offs as an example.  In the 
	Boston-Buffalo series high-sticks where flying all over the
	place in both directions.  Dale Hawerchuk got a 10 stitcher 
	around the eye right in full view of the ref ... no call!

	That's just one example.  Anyone that watches hockey more 
	then 5 times a year will most likely be able to recall an
	example of their own.

	In theory, the changes are good for the game.  However,
	I must admit that i do love to see a good fight now and
	then, but in reality.....Until the referees change, the 
	calls won't change either !

-- 
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NCR Corporation
Dayton, OH
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:49:59 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation
Subject: Re: Hockey demographics in Canada
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego
Keywords: 

In article <9208260204.AA01143@skul.USask.CA> 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>From: 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
>Message-ID: <9208260102.AA00988@skul.USask.CA>
>>There was a story on women in sports Monday night on TSN (replay?).  It
>>reported that of 103,000 9-year-old boys registered with the CAHA as hockey
>		  ^^^^^^^
>>players, only 8000 remained at age 21.
>
>Does anyone know the figure cited in the story?  103,000 seems way too high for
>a country of Canada's size.  Either the true figure is lower or it's for an age
>range.  I recall the term "atom" used to describe their age category.
>
>Glenn

Estimate of the number of 9 yr old boys in Canada

27,000,000 people in Canada
/2 = 13,500,000 males
/70 = 192,857 9 yr old boys
103K/193K = 50%

Is it possible that 50% of Canadian boys play hockey?

I think this is close.

Terry
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Salaries
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:00:57 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <1992Sep4.140945.28585@bnr.ca> lavergne@bcarh2b8.bnr.ca (Marc Lavergne) writes:
>This is all expected to change soon. Gretzky, according to his
>contract and McNall, must always be the best paid player. Messier
>must always be at least the 3rd best paid player. With Lemieux's
>impending new contract, Lindros will quickly drop to the 4th best
>paid player in the league.

I wonder if the owners have any kind of loop-detection built into this
type of contract? I mean, what if Lindros signs a deal guaranteeing him
the, say, 2nd highest salary. Then eventually everyone meets at
Gretzky's (or whoever has the "number 1" contract). Of course if there
are two people with "number 1", the spiral never stops. Well,
algorithms was never my strong point, but you get the picture.

George




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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Are the Oilers leaving Edmonton?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:15:02 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <allan.714805928@swanlake> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>
>fans don't like recent changes in the game (clamp-down on fighting,
>etc.)                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Sorry,but Gil Stein's quote in a wire service copy left alot of people
wondering,"... the fans's beleif was very,very strong that truly
spontaneous fighting isn't the problem in the game.
That it's the tactic of fighting,sending out a person to start to a fight
That's what we really want to eliminate." Go figure :-).
Yes,Gil,but how about with 2 minuutes to go in the third period of a
one-sided regular season game,where the coach of the losing club sends out his
favorite goon to send a message? Do we call that spontaneous,eh? :-)

I still say that spontaneous and/or premidated fighting will be a 
regular hockey feature in a 92/93 season, especially in the situation where
there's absolutely nothing to gain or lose in terms of the game's outcome.
In Tampa and Ottawa(Hello,Ricardo!) this might be a standard practice in
about 60 or so games this upcoming season.

Probably,bench-clearing brawls and truly vicious beatings are the things
of the past and investing into the "Best Hockey Fights" videotapes would
be a wise decision at this point, but a couple of solid punches to the head 
here and there won't disappear and wouldn't be such a bad thing for the
game anyways. Afterall,even the NHL Gods know that if hockey becomes,in the words
of Hans&Frans,"a girly-man" game the fans won't come.

What NHL has to do is to ban the stick-work,spearing,cheap shots, and
flagrant boarding that causes some big-time injuries. But then guys like
Ulfie will be out of work. :-) And the fans in Pittsburgh will be mighty
upset and will begin to resemble a crowd at the Guns'N'Roses concert
in Montreal a few weeks ago.

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.115946.21279@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

|> -In CHICAGO, the Blackhawks (excluding a few mean years in the late 70s)
|> are extremely popular and sell out most of their home games. The poor Bulls
|> were averaging 6000 fans before Michael Jordan joined them in 1984. Today, the
|> Bulls have sold out every home game since 1987. Advantage Bulls.

I may be biased, but most people in Chicago could care less about the
Blackhawks.  They don't care about the Hawks for the same reason that kids
grow up loving the Cubs.  TELEVISION.  The screwball NHL (and the greedy
ass of an owner of the Hawks)  don't understand that they would make a lot
more money if the games were televised.  Sure, the Blackhawks do sell out
games because there is a core following.  However, most people know little
about them and care even less.

If the NBA is more popular than the NHL, it is undoubtedly due to TV
exposure, or the lack thereof.

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From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Suggestions re Managing Hockey Pool
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:49:38 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Can anyone give me suggestions on the best way to manage a hockey pool and
minimize the work involved?  Are there programs available to do it or do all
the stats have to be typed in to each team by hand?  I am running a hockey pool
this season to raise operating funds for our oldtimers hockey team.  We are
hoping to have between 25 and 50 teams participating, but, that's a lot of
typing if I have to type in each players stats for each team selected.  This
type of pool allows several different teams to have the same players.

Any suggestions re timesaving or programs available would be appreciated.

Tom Gowdyk

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: North Stars deal Bellows to Montreal for Courtnall
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:17:44 GMT

From clari.sports.hockey and clari.local.minnesota

clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:

	 BLOOMINGTON, Minn. (UPI) -- The Minnesota North Stars traded their
club career goal scorer, left wing Brian Bellows, to Montreal Monday for
right wing Russ Courtnall, who was injured most of last season.
	Both players were first-round draft picks. Bellows, who turns 28
Tuesday, was taken second overall by Minnesota in 1982. Courtnall, 27,
was taken seventh overall by Toronto in 1983.
	Bellows, who was entering his contract option year, had 342 goals and
380 assists for 722 points in 753 games, all with Minnesota. He had 30
goals and 45 assists for 75 points in 80 games last season. His 342
goals are a club high and he ranks second in assists, second in total
points and third in games played.
	Courtnall had 172 goals and 241 assists for 413 points with Toronto
and Montreal. He missed 41 games with a shoulder injury and 12 more with
a wrist injury last season when he had seven goals and 14 assists for 21
points in 27 games. The previous season he led Montreal with 26 goals
and 50 assists for 76 points.

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From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: The problem with the Habs
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:32:02 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

      What is the problem with the Canadiens? THey have always been
my favorite team but I can't understand why they are having problems
advancing in the playoffs. Their defense is solid with Schneider, their
goaltending is excellent, they have speed(Courtnall), and they have
scorers(Savard,Muller,Lebeau). So why is this team such a bummer
come the playoffs? Was it Burns' defense oriented coaching? His dog
house?
                                        Bill
From: TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Bobenrieth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: PenGuins GGGRREEAAT?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:38:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

I'm a big fan of the Pens but I am not the kind that gets upset because you
have a different view. I just wanted to point out a blatent inconsistency
in your post...at the beginning you said that regular season means "squat"
yet near the end you said they didn't impress you or something like that
because they didn't dominate all season long....now which is it...regular
season is squat or you must dominate all year. Either be more specific
or don't post your views. I'm not getting testy cuz you apparently don't
like the Pens...it is because you can't keep your train of thought straight.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Cherry's comments on the new rules
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.130423.19148@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
>
>Cherry didn't limited his verbal broadside to the peaceniks.  He also laid
>into Mike Smith (Winnipeg) who traded Grape's favorite player, Shawn Cronin
>to the Nordiques.
>  "Ya know why they traded him?  With all the Europeans Smith's getting
>   on the club, Cronin the Barbarian sitting there would have scared 'em off.
>   They didn't even want him in the dressing room."
> 

However that Ulanov guy is a pretty mean Russian...

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lavergne@bcarh2b8.bnr.ca (Marc Lavergne)
Subject: NHL Salaries 
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:09:45 GMT

The NHL Players Association released salary information on Wednesday.
Eric Lindros will be the highest paid player this year at 3.5M. 
Gretzky is 2nd at about 3M, Messier 3rd at 2.4M and Lemieux 4th
at 2.3M. 
 
This is all expected to change soon. Gretzky, according to his
contract and McNall, must always be the best paid player. Messier
must always be at least the 3rd best paid player. With Lemieux's
impending new contract, Lindros will quickly drop to the 4th best
paid player in the league. Lemieux is expected to sign for about   
4M a year. I feel sorry with McNall who has to keep up with this
pace. Messier can expect at least a 1.2M raise very soon.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL coming to an ABC affiliate near you....soon!
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:43:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS


Official news wire report :

The meeting of the Board of Governors,taking place in Tampa,Florida
this week:

* Joel Nixon,a longtime NHL broadcast director is outta here.
  His successor will not be named until the league hierarchy is set
  long-term.


My inside sources in the Boston media inform me of the following, though
a major network(ABC) is denying all reports by the wire services :

* ABC will air up to a half-dozen weekend matinees on a no-risk(for
ABC,of course) time-buy deal. Also,ABC's cable arm,ESPN, will air
up to 20 Friday night and Sunday night games plus playoffs, including
the Stanley Cup Finals series. NBC's and CableVision's creation,
SportsChannel America(Yes,the crummy studio set and Mr.Papa are back!)
is expected to land additional 35-game line-up plus early playoffs.

* Total ABC-ESPN-SCA package is expected to be worth more than $15million
and it was presented yesterday to the Board of Governors.

The sport which was off the American major network TV since 1975,with
an exception of NBC's broadcast of All-Star games in the last three
years and CBS's 1980 broadcast of a couple of Stanley Cup Finals games
as a result of Team USA winning an Olympic Gold in Lake Placid, will
finally be on the network that has a prime-time news anchor from Toronto.

-Mark
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Blackhawks vets report early to prepare for London exhibitions
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:50:56 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes in clari.sports.hockey:
>
>	CHICAGO (UPI) -- The Chicago Blackhawks Tuesday summoned 27 
>veteran players to physicals on Sept. 7 and said practice will begin 
>the next day for the first NHL exhibitions in London in 33 years.
>	The club said the 27 veterans will comprise the squad that
>plays the Montreal Canadiens on Sept. 12 and 13 at Wembley Arena. 
>The games will be the first involving NHL teams since the Boston 
>Bruins and Detroit Red Wings played a two-game series in 1959.

This seems like a nice reward for the veteran players involved, as
the other 50 try-outs will be doing their thing back on this side of
the pond.  Are Les Habs doing the same arrangement?

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: Re: He shoots...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:41:26 GMT

In article <BtLnqu.HuA@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
|> In article 24107@oasys.dt.navy.mil, mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick
|> Mckinney) writes:
|> >In rec.sport.hockey, rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
|> >>He shoots...
|> >
|> >Puck rebounds back to him, he dekes to his backhand, he shoots and
|> hits
|> >the post, and puck is sitting on the goal line...
|> 
|> Hackett covers...and time runs out!  No goal!
|> 
|> Sharks 3 Pens 0

Oh, I can't wait for the day when the Sharks don't get blown
out 8-0 by the Pens.

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