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From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Old English Fonts for Mac
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:04:02 GMT
In-reply-to: churchh@ut-emx.uucp's message of 27 Sep 92 16:20:55 GMT


In article <80554@ut-emx.uucp> churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard) writes:


   In article <96632@bu.edu>, navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:
   > Howdy!  I desperately need an Old English font for the Macintosh...not
   > blackletter or the like, but something that contains those special characters
   > such as the "thorn" and the like (I don't even know the names of the others!)

	<stuff deleted>

     The following is a list of characters on the Macintosh, with their
   decimal character codes, that may be useful for Old English:

   /AE             %  174
   /ae             %  190
   /Eth            %  1
   /eth            %  2
   /OE             %  206
   /oe             %  207
   /Thorn          %  11
   /thorn          %  12

   /acute          %  171
   /breve          %  249
   /dotaccent      %  250
   /macron         %  248

   /aacute         %  135
   /Aacute         %  231
   /Eacute         %  131
   /iacute         %  146
   /Iacute         %  234
   /oacute         %  151
   /Oacute         %  238
   /uacute         %  156
   /Uacute         %  242
   /Yacute         %  7
   /yacute         %  8

   --
	    --Henry Churchyard     churchh@emx.cc.utexas.edu

Really?  Macintosh `roman standard encoding' does not contain
eth, Eth, thorn, Thorn, yacute, Yacute etc.  It also does not
contain anything below character code 32.  Where does the above 
encoding vector come from?  

Or did `roman standard encoding' change when the world switched to System 7?
(Much like `ANSI' encoding changed when the world switched to Windows 3.1...)

Isn't it wonderful when `standards' change?

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: weigand@bach.udel.edu (Steven E Weigand)
Subject: Yet another conversion question.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:05:33 GMT


I'm really stumped! I'd like to convert postscript files to HPGL or PCL
files. Preferably PCL. 

Can anyone point me in a direction? I'm not referring to IBM... I want to
do this on unix.

Thanx, 
 -Steve Weigand
 (weigand@ee.udel.edu)
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Why Unicode is 16-bit
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:25:24 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

Glenn A. Adams writes

> Unicode now encodes slightly more than 21,000 Han elements which represent
> over 120,000 elements in the source character sets used as the input to
> Unicode; i.e., the intersection of these source sets contained only 21,000
> unique elements.
> 
> The remaining Han characters which were not in the source character sets  
are
> now being studied for inclusion.  Some of these represent merely font or
> stroke variations of a single character.  All of these can be represented
> either directly or by using compositional techniques within the remaining
> space available in Unicode.

There has been great debate recently in this forum about the distinction
between a character encoding and a glyph encoding.  Unicode is not a glyph
encoding, we have been told.

Are these "Han elements" somehow not glyphs?  Do they have some semantic
meaning, like Roman letters, or are they simply visual elements that are
used to construct a single character, and it's the character that carries
the semantic meaning?  If they're visual, then they seem more like glyphs
than characters.

I don't know much about this, but I'm sure someone will enlighten me :-)

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California		Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
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From: brendan@us-es.sel.de (Dalton)
Subject: Re: Character Sets (AGAIN)
Keywords: character-set, charset, font
Organization: SEL-Alcatel LTS Dept. US/ES
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:19:36 GMT

To get back to the original question:

In article <keld.717886466@login.dkuug.dk>, keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen) writes:
|> jon@hook.corp.mot.com (Jon Whalen) writes:

|> >III. I'm looking for pointers to documentation on standard and ad-hoc mappings
|> >between 7-bit ascii and 8-bit charsets. For example, on the mailing list
|> >GAELIC-L, the accented vowels: a_acute, e_acute, i_acute, o_acute, u_acute,
|> >a_grave, e_grave, i_grave, o_grave, u_grave; are represented as vowel + /
|> >and vowel + \, respectively. What other encodings are in use? Where might I
|> >get documentation (formal or informal) on them? Are there ISO standards
|> >in existence or under development?
|> 
|> RFC 1345 specifies such ASCII fallbacks for about 2000 non-ideographic
|> and 24000 ideographic characters. The ASCII representation for 
|> eg a_acute is a' - for a_grave it is a! . The RFC1345 names are
|> employed in sendmail 5.65c as it comes from UIUC. It is also employed
|> in POSIX locale specifications from Danish Standards, appearing in ISO
|> 9945-2 (as informative information).

This was really an unfortunate choice of encoding on ASCII's part,
since "a'" appears in many languages (as does "a!"). In particular
(to relate this topic to the original posting), in Scots Gaelic,
"a'" is a word used with most verbs in the present tense, where
it has a meaning similar to the ending "-ing" in English! This
is why the alternative encoding "a/" is used on the GAELIC-L list.

This is not particularly good, but it seems to me a lot better
than the alternative presented by RFC 1345. Does anyone know why
that choice was made?

-- 
Brendan J. Dalton (brendan@us-es.sel.de)
----------------------------------------
Ritheann an fear seo ar phoitin

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From: napi@jaring.ism.my (Mohd Hanafiah Abdullah)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.text.tex
Subject: Looking for Helvetica font family, etc for TeX.
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:29:02 GMT

Hi

If anyone knows the FTP site(s) where I could get the Helvetica font
family for TeX, please pass the info to me.

Please respond by EMAIL.  Thank you.

Napi
From: jmbraverman@ucdavis.edu (john braverman)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: male-female symbol font wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:41:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.17852
Organization: u.c. davis

Can anyone tell me where to get male and female symbol fonts for the mac?
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:2925 comp.lang.postscript:4908 comp.sys.mac.programmer:16396
From: Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Transferring PostScript Type 3 fonts from UNIX to Mac?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:56:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, Oxford University, UK

I have written a PostScript Type 3 font on my UNIX system.  I can use
this in PS docs of my own (and in TeX/dvips) without trouble.

I have a friend who uses a Macintosh computer and would like to be able
to use this font as well.  Since I don't really have a Mac available to
experiment on, I have to find a way to convert my fonts blind.

There are two obvious ways to do this:

Method 1.  I could generate screen (bitmap) fonts to accompany the
printer (PS) font.  This requires knowing the file format of the screen
font, and how to link the two so that apps can use them.  I have a
suspicion that this should involve using the Mac concept of "resource
forks", which may be difficult to generate from my UNIX box.

Method 2.  Create a Type 1 font from the Type 3 program.  Type 1 is now
a published format, and presumably Macs have some version of ATM
available.  (Do Macs all have ATM?)  My fonts render the characters as a
single outline each, and I could write a program that converts the
character programs into a program that will spit out Type 1 "assembly
code" for that character and post-process that into a "%!FontType1-1.1".
But would the resulting plain text file be suitable for use on Macs?


So, what do I want from you?  First, some information about Macintosh
resources and filetypes, and what facilities there are for adding them
to files imported from non-Mac systems.  I would need this info no
matter what method I used ultimately.  Second, info on screen font
formats, and also how they are installed and related to printer fonts.
Finally, if there are clever systems for using Type 3 fonts, or for
converting them to Type 1 without any effort, then I could save myself
some bother!

Thanks

Damian Cugley

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Grey text in PageMaker?
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:35:16 GMT

I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but isn't there a way
to get grey text (i.e., 10%, 20%, etc.) in PageMaker (Windows
version)?  I usually use Corel to do this stuff, so it's never
come up before.  It seems to me that the option is only
available for graphics (circles, squares).  Surely there must
be a way to do this to get drop shadows, etc.?  Selecting
one of the Pantone grey shades doesn't work, because they're
actually treated as colors and so they print as black on a
laser printer.  Anyone have an answer?  Thanks.

   --Dave.

---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
   (dmandl@shearson.com)       |          believe me.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Fontographer/Windows Question
From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Andy Gardner)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:34:53 GMT
Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

I'm about to take the plunge and purchase Fontographer for Windows.
Before I do so, could some one please confirm the following:
.
Will Fontographer allow me to create a new Truetype font based
on an existing font such as Arial or Times New Roman?  I've had
a quick play with Fontographer on the Mac and note that it will
load up Adobe Type 1 fonts for modification.  I hope that the
WIndows version will do the same with TrueType!
.
Thanks

Andy Gardner       
Wellington, New Zealand
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:2904 comp.sys.amiga.misc:14520
From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Looking for Compugraphic font format
Keywords: AGFA Compugraphic amiga
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:30:40 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


	As the Subject: says, I'm looking for a document describing
the format of Amiga scalable fonts (which one of the RKMs refers to
as AGFA Compugraphic(tm) fonts).
	Can someone please point me toward such a thing, show me a
copy of the FAQ that says where to find it, or tell me why it's
impossible to find?
	Send e-mail and I'll summarize if there's any interest.
	Thanks.
From: peter@psy.oxford.ac.uk (Peter Foldiak)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Melbourne,Detroit,Kawasaki fonts
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:51:26 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

We are looking for the Macintosh fonts: Melbourne, Detroit and
Kawasaki. If anyone has any information about them please send email
directly to: s_harasta@v1.barts.lon.ac.uk
Thanks a lot!   sandor
From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Phonetic alphabet (Windows)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:06:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Adobe sells both Stone and Times phonetic fonts. The Stone includes both
serif and sans.

--David

-- 
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The Royal York Apartments, #802     djbpitt@pittvms   [Bitnet]
3955 Bigelow Boulevard              voice: 1-412-687-4653
Pittsburgh, PA  15123  USA          fax:   1-412-624-9714
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: Hamburgefonstiv (Was: Lorem Ipsum Dolor)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>So what is "hamburgefonstiv"....

It is used by type designers as a sample. Those letters contain the 
basic shapes that will be used in the font--most everything else is
a composite of these basic shapes in some way or another. It's a good
way to judge if the prospective font design has promise, where flaws
might lie, and if the font designer knows his or her stuff. 

Oops. The "h" in "Hamburgefonstiv" should be capitalized :-).

ari davidow
ari@netcome.com

Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.graphics
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: In Search Of: Font Curve Fitting
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:56:32 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

A friend (no really!) is working on font conversion software, and part
of the territory is converting bitmaps or linear outlines to smoother
(and smaller) representations, such as Bezier curves.

Curve fitting is beyond him right now, and he'd like either (1) info
or (2, better) software that does this kind of thing.

Send clues, please!  I'm all out.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
    "My favorite phenomenon is when someone mails me or posts to this
     group, either calling me a newbie or telling me that my postings
     are not relevant to alt.non.sequitur."           -- Matt Welsh
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Subject: Adobe makefont.h file?
Reply-To: jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:45:41 GMT

Is the header file "makefont.h" which declares c data structures for
Adobe Binary Screen Fonts (ABF) (and possibly other things as well)
available free from anywhere? It is mentioned in the ABF specification
document, but Archie hasn't heard of it.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Switched Networks Research Centre          or:    g9129499@uow.edu.au
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From: koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Vietnamese Alphabet
Keywords: Vietnamese,Portuguese,alphabet
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:05:04 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

There was a query on this group not too long ago as to whether
Vietnamese used the French alphabet.  In fact, its alphabet is based
on Portuguese, having been developed by Portuguese catholic
missionaries.  Some substantial changes were needed to accomodate
Vietnamese phonology, and the symbol set requirements of Vietnamese
are now quite different from those of Portuguese.

----
John E. Koontz (koontz@bldr.nist.gov)

Disclaimer:  Views and recommendations, express or implied, are my own, and
do not reflect the opinion or policy of my employers.
From: vogel@nprdc.navy.mil (Merle Vogel)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Mathematical font
Summary: Recommendation for mathematical TrueType fote wanted.
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:05:28 GMT
Reply-To: vogel@nprdc.navy.mil (Merle Vogel)
Organization: Navy Personnel R&D Center, San Diego

Can anyone recommend a font with simple mathematic symbols in it?
I need one to use in a basic electronics course.  The symbols I need
are:   Divisor bar, Square root sign, Exponents, Sub-scripts, Super-scripts
and Parentheses that will enclose two lines.  I'll be using it in Windows 3.1
so a True Type font would be ideal.

This is pretty simple stuff I think.  A public domain font would be
great.

Thanks, Merle
vogel@nprdc.navy.mil
From: churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Old English Fonts for Mac
Summary: already there!
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:20:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <96632@bu.edu>, navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:
> Howdy!  I desperately need an Old English font for the Macintosh...not
> blackletter or the like, but something that contains those special characters
> such as the "thorn" and the like (I don't even know the names of the others!)

  You know, most of what you need is already there in the standard
Adobe printer fonts (thorn, eth, ae, both upper and lower case, as
well as oe for the non-West-Saxon dialects that still retained this
vowel).  The only problem is that the standard Adobe fonts don't
contain precomposed vowel + macron characters, but you can compose
with the macron, or use the acute (which is what the actual Old
English manuscripts did).

  The following is a list of characters on the Macintosh, with their
decimal character codes, that may be useful for Old English:

/AE             %  174
/ae             %  190
/Eth            %  1
/eth            %  2
/OE             %  206
/oe             %  207
/Thorn          %  11
/thorn          %  12

/acute          %  171
/breve          %  249
/dotaccent      %  250
/macron         %  248

/aacute         %  135
/Aacute         %  231
/Eacute         %  131
/iacute         %  146
/Iacute         %  234
/oacute         %  151
/Oacute         %  238
/uacute         %  156
/Uacute         %  242
/Yacute         %  7
/yacute         %  8

--
         --Henry Churchyard     churchh@emx.cc.utexas.edu
From: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Looking for pub-domain ATM fonts
Date: 29 Sep 1992 20:58:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ammannkw@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The subject line says it all.  I'm looking for an FTP site which
contains fonts usable with ATM/Windows 3.1.  Looking in particular
for Garamond-series fonts and a good Univers.  Please DO NOT
respond to this address -- send FAQ (if applicable) or other info
to ammannkw@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu.  Thanks a million.





-- 
If you cannot gather where you wish, you cannot assert yourself.
If you cannot believe what you wish, you cannot be at peace with yourself.
If you cannot say what you wish, you cannot defend yourself.
SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO BE TRUE TO YOURSELF -- SUPPORT THE FIRST AMENDMENT!
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: cearley_k@wizard.colorado.edu
Subject: DEC's Common Font File Format for Signature fonts...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:04:52 MST

Anyone familiar with this format... I've got a couple of questions but wanted
to see if I was speaking to the void first...

		-Thanks
		-Kent Cearley, Univ. of Colo.
From: dxk10@po.CWRU.Edu (David Kazdan Md)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Probably FAQ:  What FTP has PS fonts?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 20:51:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Netters:

I have been using Go Script, a commercial MS-DOS PostScript
interpreter, and would like access to the public-domain fonts.
Where do I find them?  Any tips on how to use them?

Thanks...

		--David

-- 
David Kazdan, M.D.      dxk10@po.cwru.edu
Department of Biomedical Engineering, Case Western Reserve University,
Cleveland, Ohio
From: nfulton@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Old English Fonts for Mac
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:11:01 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <80554@ut-emx.uucp>,
churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard) writes:
> In article <96632@bu.edu>,
> navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:
>> Howdy!  I desperately need an Old English font for the Macintosh...not
>> ...
>   You know, most of what you need is already there in the standard
> Adobe printer fonts (thorn, eth, ae, both upper and lower case, as
> well as oe for the non-West-Saxon dialects that still retained this
> vowel).  The only problem is that the standard Adobe fonts don't
> contain precomposed vowel + macron characters, but you can compose
> with the macron, or use the acute (which is what the actual Old
> English manuscripts did).
> (List omitted)

Not quite the only problem, at least if you want to be pedantic.
The standard fonts don't contain the character wynn - not
surprising, since it isn't useful for any modern language I know
of.  Of course, unless you're a specialist in OE orthography, it's
probably OK to substitute <w>.  That's what I did for my master's
thesis, and nobody complained.

Neil
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: New Yorker Magazine
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

In a response to my earlier question, TREY HARRIS says:

MH> most easily recognized as "the New Yorker Magazine" font.

TH. I haven't seen either this font or the New Yorker in a while, but it
TH. seems to me that either Upper East Side or Upper West Side would do
TH. the trick.  It's available at several ftp servers around in TrueType
TH. format.  (Legally?  Is this a public-domain or shareware font?  I don't
TH. use it, so I don't know.)

I wanted it to use under OS/2 and TrueType fonts have too much stripped out
to be used with ATM...

Michael Hagerty (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: New Yorker Magazine Font
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:09:25 GMT

>In article <15660@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>>In article <214.236.uupcb@nitelog.com> michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) writes:
>>>Several weeks ago I asked if anyone knew of a font similar to the one
>>>most easily recognized as "the New Yorker Magazine" font. 
>>
>>I haven't seen either this font or the New Yorker in a while, but it
>>seems to me that either Upper East Side or Upper West Side would do
>>the trick.  It's available at several ftp servers around in TrueType
>>format.  (Legally?  Is this a public-domain or shareware font?  I don't
>>use it, so I don't know.)

It's UpperWestSide.

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