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From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 05:36:55 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>[I] can't imagine anyone deliberately building in harm's way. 
 
     Come down to Silicon Valley sometime..  In just the past few 
years, bunches of really big, expensive houses have been built in 
the "Seven Springs" area.
     What the (ren voice on) STOOpid EEdiots (ren voice off) 
didn't realize is that the place is called "Seven Springs" because 
the entire area is riddled with underground water sources.
     Which means that about ten million dollar's worth of classy 
housing has been built on the biggest sinkhole this side of the 
rockies..  Dumb stuff happens, man.  Colorado's Amendment 2 is 
further proof of that..
 
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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:21:00 +0000



> In article <1992Nov5.124902.4725@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHa
le) writes:
> >
> >what "raving bisexuality" looked like when it was home, and Kay supplied
> >details (drinking tea while curled up in front of the fire was about
> >the gist of it).
> >
> Well, that's all very well, and quite nice it sounds too, but what does
> raving bisexuality do when it's *not* at home????

Simple, he drinks tea in other people's homes of course!

Honestly Sion, you know what a mad impetuous raver Kay is -- 
especially with a cup of tea and a chocolate digestive.
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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:29:17 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <iw.721350958@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>>there is the unjustified (but not neccessarily untrue) transformation of
>>"lack of acceptance" to "oppression."  But the point remains that it feels
>>uncomfortable to see someone suffering in the same way refusing to accept
>>that you are in the same situation.
>
>Why "unjustifed" ? 
>
Just because a group (or an individual, for that matter) refuses to
accept you, it doesn't mean they are oppressing you in the sense that
I take "oppression" to mean.  Say, for instance, that I wanted to join
some club whih had a huge membership fee.  Now, I'm a poor student,
and can't pay that sort of money, so they wouldn't accept me.  But I
wouldn't feel that I was being oppressed unless they had some sort of
active policy against poor students, such as a campaign to increase
college fees by 20% or something of that ilk.

>There is more to it than just feeling uncomfortable because people don't
>accept you.  Parts of the gay community actively discrminate against bi's.
>
This, in my book, is oppression.  Saying "But we're a les/gay group --
go away and form your own bi group" is, to my mind, not oppression but
rather short-sighted lack of acceptance.  I'm this latter attitude
exists as well as the former.

--
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                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ktfizazi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: Re: Really blatant flirtation               
Followup-To: purity test, feh!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: But it probably is above 80% :( (also a blatant flirt, i.e. help!)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:02:47 GMT
Expires: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:00:00 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kraig@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kraig Count)
Subject: Re: PC
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.144322.16250@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>While browsing through a local bookshop yesterday I saw a book of
>interest to this thread. I can't remember the name, but it was basically
>a PC dictionary/thesaurus and sold for about 5 pounds. I had a quick
>flick through it and found it to be about as distasteful as I thought it
>would be. Basically the book seems to go to ridiculous extremes in
>suggesting alternative terms, most of which will be awkward to use and
>will lead to unnecessity verbosity thus obscuring the original meaning
>of what one wanted to say. The blurb on the cover even gives an example
>of this in which almost every word in a sentence has been replaced by a
>multi-word phrase, and the end result is unintelligeable.
>

I have run accross this book in stores here in the U.S.. Normally in the
Humor Section.  Of course I have never seen the humor in taking a fairly
simple set of words and modifing them to be useless.  Mostly the
book was just depressing.

>I've no problem with trying to find non-judgementl alternatives for
>judgement-loaden phrases; I think it is one way (of course, not the only
>way) to fight oppression. My problem is with the term PC because I most
>often hear it being used as a way to dismiss people's complaints about
>"obnoxious" behaviour. Of course, if some people want to reclaim the
>term PC then I wish them luck.
>

non-judgemental altervatives to loaded phrases is a good goal.  
However, not all of the people that use those phrases intend them
to be taken as loaded phrases.  There has to be a middle ground
somewhere that will minimalise this problem of comunication.
It may be something as simple as an increase in peoples tolerance.

No this dosn't mean that I think that what anybody says should
be allowed to go without comment, but everybody should spend
more time actually listening to what people say instead of the
words they use.

later,

kraig


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: KT (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 06:35:58 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
: In article <27785@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
: >Yes, I can see it now; I attempt to tempt Kay with a come-on like "Bring
: >your own chocolate hob-nobs and I'll provide lashings of lapsang souchong,"
: >whereupon the police intervene to stop this impromptu "rave" from taking
: >place.  However, like all such raves, if it's stopped in one venue, it
: >just pops up somewhere else later ...
: 
: For you, Mike, I'd bring something better than chocolate hob-nobs; home
: baked chocolate biscuits.  The lapsang sounds wonderful... and you wonder
: why we miss you?

Ooh, I melt at the thought, like a bar of a mystery brand.  Well now,
perhaps we can make a proper little party of this.  As I understand it,
laying on a little cheese might be welcome too.  Lessee, a little
Camembert, a smidgen of Roquefort.  A place I know does mean cheese
kabanossi.  I forget your tastes in breads; perhaps leave that to me?  I
suppose navels would always do, at a pinch ... to that end, a Boursin
never goes amiss.  I've also found peppered goat's cheese to have its
entertaining uses ....

Ahh, reminiscence of the good life in Edinburgh.  Such is spurred on by
a gift from a wonderful inhabitant of these e-parts (whom I shall
capriciously leave nameless) who, in a deft stroke of genius, brought me
a bottle of superlative single malt on a recent trip through (Oban,
14yrs, to be precise).  I've been living without too long.  Should I
keep you some, Kay?  Or will you just stick to the tea?  And tell me,
why is it your name keeps springing to mind as I wander along past the
oil-rack in my local deli?

hugs
Mike, not really an inoccent, but still somewhat flowered
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
    "It's only knock and knowall, but I like it" - Genesis (the first one)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06:20:03 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
[lots of C stuff]
: >Granted, this will yield heterosexual couples 50% of the time (Chance of
: >having a lesbian couple: .5 * .5 = .25.  Chance of having a gay couple: .5 *
: >.5 = .25.  Chance of having a same-sex couple = .25 + .25 = .5.  Chance of
: >having a het couple: 1 - P(same-sex) = 1 - .5 = .5).
: 
: And what about the standard deviance? :)

Trivial.  I presume you mean the standard error of the sampling
distribution of these quantities, given the fact that the figures
themselves cannot have a deviance.  Then, should you sample n points at
such a probability, the st. error of your estiamte will be
         sqrt{ p(1-p)/n }
This would be of help in Q5, appearing in a post near you around now.
To prove it, consider x, the number of "successes" in n trials, which is
Binomial (assuming the PRNG is really a RNG).  It follows.

I recall something about Roy expecting hugs, but my addled brain is
unsure.  Take some, the both of yous, anyways.

Mike, affirming his manhood with a little techtalk
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:38:50 GMT

This is my first post here, but I've been reading for a while, and finally
felt the urge to express just a little thought.  I am bi, and I certainly
know the frustration of feeling like I can't meet anyone else bi in the
area, but at the same time, I am not I guess what people would consider
really out.  If anyone asks, or it comes up in a discussion, I don't hide
it, but I don't ever wear pins or T-shirts or whatever to advertise my own
bisexual pride.  I am what I am and I'm damn happy about it.

But I am curious what other people expect when they do wear their pins or
Tshirts or whatever?  Before I even considered the fact that I was bisexual
myself I would see people wearing shirts or pins, openly proclaiming their
sexuality, but it wouldn't occur to me even now to go up to them and
say,"hey, I notice you're wearing a bisexual pride Tshirt?  Are you bi?" Or
to tell them that I respected them for wearing it?

Maybe, I suppose.  But I don't think you should think that people ignore it.
Or that because they don't say anything they're afraid of it.  I simply
respected other people's declaration of their sexuality and chose not to
make an "issue" about it.  Maybe this is terribly naive of me, but isn't
simply the fact that a person can go around openly declaring him/herself
either bi or homosexual without comment from other people (let alone without
getting beaten up for it, or sent to the gas chambers of the Third Reicht) a
sign of how much more accepting society has become?

Just a thought, but perhaps I'm sheltered.  People still get discriminated
against all the time because of sexual perference so maybe it is more of a
big deal to some people to declare it and get a positive response.  I
certainly respect that too.

Thanks for listening.
*Sarah*  :)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Time (Was: Family Values (long))
Summary: time for some more blatant e-flirting
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:02:57 GMT

In article <vashti.721384308@concave> vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin) writes:
|In <1992Nov5.072528.18185@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
|>   This is something that's rather easy to resolve.  Would you
|>prefer your sympathy in the traditional ehug package, or would you
|>prefer to select another variety from the catalogue?
|There's a catalogue!! Nobody told me that when I demuffined. What have
|I been missing? <sulk>

   There are several catalogues, actually.  Some of them even have
salesmen, who will be more than happy to come to your home to
provide demonstrations of appropriate forms of sympathy (at least
as soon as they can afford the airfare ;-)


|>                ____
|>  david parsons \bi/ "Purity 45% and falling"
|>                 \/
|
|Why is your purity 45% and falling. I take it that this has something to
|do with the mysterious purity test. Can anyone tell me what this is?

   It's because I'm converting myself from a celibate trainspotter
into a promiscuous trainspotter.  The plummeting purity score is an
indication that this exercise is actually working, even though it
means I haven't much time left over to spot trains ;-)

|                                                                ____ 
|                                                                \bi/ 
|Vashti                                                           \/
|(BTW my libido came back from holiday, sex doesn't seem silly
|any more, only silly-nice)

   That's always a good thing, because it gives you another thing
to do on those late evenings when you're too tired to hack ;-)
(I like the .sig!)

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ shameless e-slut
                 \/
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tackling the Bible (longish)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:36:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxKpGB.Aq1
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Nov8.223446.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> vbaker@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>The Old Testament is, of course, very easy to disregard.  They'll say 'You must
>not lie with a man as with a woman (Leviticus 18:22)' to which you can snort

Well, I don't think that this is too difficult to dispose of - I don't
know very many men with vaginas. :>
>
>Homosexuality is Unnatural.  Paul says this explicitly, but (as anyone who has
>ever owned animals can tell you) homosexuality does, in fact, occur in nature.
>(I recommend you to the article about the sexuality of bonobos in the June 1992
>issue of _Discover_ magazine for a particular case of primate bisexuality). 

I also would direct interested folk towards a US Dept of Agriculture
study which was released this summer.  It found that 10% of all rams
were "gay". (ie perferred other rams to ewes.)

>[a lovely quote from the holy homophobe]

>'Nature itself' tells me no such thing.  Societal fashion tells me that. 
>Obviously, Paul has no clue about what is and isn't natural, and mistakenly
>calls unnatural that which is merely contrary to his arbitrary sense of
>fashion.  Every Christian I've discussed this with has conceded that, yes,
>maybe Paul's use of the word Unnatural was misinformed.  'However,' they
>
Bravo, a great argument which I will be sure to use.

>Why is it bad?  Because Paul (implicitly) says so.  There are many other things
>that Paul says is bad.  'For a man to pray or prophesy with his head covered is

I also remember a quote from Ephesians somewhere(maybe ch. 3 or 4) which
states that the wife should obey her husband in *everything*.  What Paul
sexist, too?  No. never. :>
>
>Vincent
>
>This has been a (perhaps overdue) de-muffining, by the way.  :-)

Congratulations!  hugs and lots of other non-Platonic shows of affection.
A great post BTW.
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.~
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tackling the Bible (longish)
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:43:06 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Nov8.223446.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, vbaker@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
 [ bible quoting and such ]
> This has been a (perhaps overdue) de-muffining, by the way.  :-)

 Hi! Welcome to soc.bi!

 **hugs, snuggles, and warm-type-thingies all round**
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.233047.2589@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
<long article deleted>

Everything he said, I second.  First person I've seen post here lately
I agree with.  What are you doing Saturday night? ;-)

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Women and I: An Explanation?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:33:29 GMT

mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

"hopefully to different effect from"

>ok, OK, so it was a bit tortuous.  I'm sorry.  I have a brain like a
>rat's warren, or worse, like Inner London on a foggy day, without a map.

I parsed it incorrectly, with "hopefully" the adverb for the verb "to
different"... oops. Sort of what I would phrase as "Hopefully to differentiate
effect from [blah]." Anyway, it's all sorted now.

And Houses of Memory are structures I love. If your rat's warren is anything
like Mary Gentle's, I'd prefer it to London.

It's all right, soc.bi'ers... here come the hugs...

>: Tanaqui, acting all peeved in order to extract extra hugs |-)
>
>Oh no, I am undone!  My secret is out!  Someone has realised that "ask
>and ye shall receive" applies!
>
>OK, take one desultory hug for finding me out, which rapidly
>transmogrifies into a hug of wild abandon and general friendliness.
>Glad t'know you, T.  (or is "qui" a preferred abbrev?  Or do you just
>hate both ... *grin*)

<grin> <massive hugging, followed by the observation that people tend to
call me "Cen" - pronounced with a hard "C" - for short, followed by more
hugs in an attempt to avoid the tortuous explanation this genderfuck
nickname requires>

>One more hug

Always time for one more |-)

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll)
Subject: Re: bisexual opinion by my friend
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:10:15 GMT

Well, that certainly doesn't do much to improve the image of West
Virginians!

(To those outside of the U.S., WVians are stereotyped to be stupid hicks
that inbreed.  "West Virginia: one big happy family.")

-James

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From: polly@iastate.edu (Paula Puffer)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A blue feather for my cap.
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:21:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxEo4L.45o
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <Bx5p4G.12E@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:
>Jonah Emanuel Safar (safarj@aix.rpi.edu) wrote:
>:  Has any one else had the problem where people are comfortable enough
>: with yoursexuality to be 'close friends', but not to the point of
>: entering a relationship?
>
>Yup - there are several people of both sexes that I want to make love
>with because we feel close and comfortable.  Doesn't happen though in
>spite of gentle nudging.  Why?
>
>N.


Well an answer to your why might be this.   (the following come from personal
experience) Maybe they don't want to enter a relatioship with you because of 
your friendship with them.   Having had sex with a couple of friends i've found
that it can create many problems in the long run.   So for me, even tho I am 
attracted to a friend I do nothing about it, because ultimately the friendship
is more important to me then having sex with them.  I've lost friendships for 
couple years because it took that long for us to deal with what happened.  And 
in one case i consider myself self very fortunate, because i gotto talk to a 
friend that i lost due to sex a short time before he was killed.      

 Just my two cents worth
                                  
Paula 
the newly elected LGBA Community Outreach person 
"ask me about the 1993 Midwest Bisexual Gay and Lesbian College COnference
From: hansene@goose.cps.msu.edu (E.J.H.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Sandra Bernhart
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:51:39 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University

Hey!
Did anyone see the story about Sandra Bernhart on NBC tuesday
night? I had to take a phone call so I missed part of it.
Did she come out or what? She talked a bit about her
relationship with Madonna, but from what I saw she was
pretty ambiguous about her orientation.
Anyway, everybody send me e-stuff 'cuz I like it.
oop.

Ted.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: purity technicalities (was Re: Time)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06:33:27 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
: I'll say more (though not about Kay).  Alan just mentioned our youngest
: cat, Flame in a very nice post (thanks, Alan!  It was nice having you!),
: and his (Flame's) conviction that anything moving under a blanket was a
: small furry creature to be pounced on.  This can be (and has been) used
: to get him to pounce on *anything* that might be under a blanket, with
: interesting effects...*grin*.  He also likes to bite people's nipples,
: especially if they're pierced.

Mike lets out a *howl*, due to his bedraggled state, an the mention of
Flame.  Flame is a *wonderful* cat - well on a par with most people, in
my book.  Yes, Flame did get caught up in a scene with me and another
person (not on this group), to most amusing effect :-)  His foot and
nipple fetishes are a wonder to behold in action.  He also (at his young
age) is perfect for a little pushing of boundaries, seeing how much
"sensation" (not to say pain) can be fun.  If played with correctly, he
will grab with his front paws around your wrist, bat at your arm with
his feet, and chew gently on one of your fingers.  This doesn't >hurt<,
as such.  It leaves several embarrasing looking scratches though ...

Oh dear.  Methinks I give myself away.  A whole new meaning to "Flaming
long-haired Mike" ...

hugs to all, and anyone near Flame is to give him a stroke too
Mike, thinking of that cartoon book "Everything I need to know I learned
from my cat"
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
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