From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Family values defined
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:12:58 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <1992Oct01.211109.17112@brtph560.bnr.ca> ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
|In article <69615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
||> In article <1992Oct1.180933.4236@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@euterpe.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
||> >In article <69448@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
||> >>In article <1992Sep29.191756.4141@watson.ibm.com>
||> >>The only tyrannical people I've every met was the group 
||> >>Queer Nation one Sunday at a Cracker Barrel.
||> >
||> >Speaking of tyrannical, what about the Cracker Barrel executives who ordered
||> >people fired because of their sexual orientation?  Or did you even bother
||> >to find out what the protest was protesting?
||> 
||> Yes, I knew before I went in and was well aware of it, when I entered.
||> However, I'm not sure QN really made any effort to inform me.  I think
||> they assumed I knew, but they may have had some stuff - it has been
||> about 1 1/2 years, but I still remember the theme of QN's presence.
||> 
||> >I imagine this situation.  The year is 1963.  A group of people have
||> >the nerve to picket a restaurant because it won't serve black people,
||> >and recently decided to fire all of its black staff. Richard is
||> >terribly upset at these bad people who have spoiled his nice dinner,
||> >and can't understand why people aren't sympathetic to his trauma.
||> 
||> I believe you have confused the analogy.  For the pickets in the
||> 60's were Peaceful, Non-violent protest.  I just saw them re-enacted
||> on the PBS's LBJ Presidential Series.  There was quite a difference.
||> Dr. King was very vocal on being non-violent and peaceful - the
||> recaps of the civil rights protest I hear today continue to echo that theme.
||> 
||> Find out where Act-Up or Queer Nation is protesting and go and view it.
||> 
||> >Did it ever occur to you that you and your problems are perhaps not the
||> >center of the Universe?  That perhaps God does not play favorites?  That
||> 
|

I reformatted this:

|So it was the TONE of the demonstration you objected to, rather than the 
|fact that it was a demonstration against discrimination against homosexuals? 

I objected to both, but I was pointing out the tone.

|Yes or no. I haven't seen you calling the pro-life movement tyrannical - 
|surely you've seen (at least on TV) the cretins who yell "Murderer!" and 
|other nice things at women trying to excercise their existing rights. Yet, 

I've seen a lot in the media.  I've also been by (not at) a Operation
Rescue protest and there was NOTHING like the TV clips going on there.

I read the Newsweek cover story on Gays yesterday.  If we want to appeal
to the media, then we could look there and see a calm person holding
a sign against the homosexual movement and a finger pointing, jeering 
crowd advocating the homosexual movement.

|you brand the anti-gay-discrimination movement tyrannical because they 
|SPOILED YOUR DINNER! I am often disgusted with ACT-UP & Queer Nation myself 
|because I disagree violently:) with their tactics. But I see little difference 
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good.   

|between their methods and those of terrorists such as Randall Terry. In both 

I can understand why you say this - I would personally have to see more of the
Terry groups in actions to agree.  I'm not fond of the medias coverage.
The reports I hear have the media ignoring the tactics used by the 
police and the resulting injures.

|cases, however, I distinguish between their AIMS and their MMETHODS. Again, 
|do you support discrimination against gays (specifically such things as being 
|fired or denied employmeny BECAUSE of being gay) or not?

Depends on the situation - I can see why one would not want a homosexual
representing one's company.

|> God doesn't play favorites. 
|> 
|> >just maybe the people who got fired from their jobs after working at
|> >Cracker Barrel for years had a bad day too?
|> 
|> I do not deny an emotional problems resulting from the firings - I 
|> never said anyone was not fully human.
|> 
|> >As a Christian, you ought at least to *try* to have some tiny bit of
|> >fellow feeling for your fellow humans.  I'm not asking you to love your 
|> >neighbor, but to get beyond complete contempt and disregard would be a
|> >start.
|> 
|> As I said in the previous post, don't confuse my speaking out against
|> this as a hatred for the individuals.  They are not one and the same,
|> for me.  I love my neighbor.

>But you're willing to trash his/her life simply because he/she doesn't agree 
>with your (unsupported and irrational) religious views? With "love" like 
>that who needs hate?

Pardon me for stating my supported views.  Love is has many faces.  It doesn't
always say do what you want, but it can and should say "I love you too much
to keep letting you do that."

For Christ and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts


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