HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: relcom
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:28:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Dec9.222120.23653@gtech.com> ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>
>Hi !
>
>I have an account on one machine which receives some relcom news.
>I am dialing up to this machine from my PC at home.
>Character set on relcom group looks like it is something like
>primary code table. Are ther any downlodable VGA font and software :)
>to down load. I have ET4000 base VGA card.
>
>I can also telnet to this machine from my computer at work. It is
>HP 9000/710. It has a RUSSIAN fileset in /system. Is it possible to
>set my local xterm or hpterm to read relocm groups.
>
>
>I will appreciate any help.

Vadim Maslov was very kind to post C code. This filter program maps
KOI-8 character set (the one used in relcom.* groups) to transliterated
ascii.

#include <stdio.h>

/*
 * Russian (KOI-8) to English (ASCII) translator.
 * Acts as a filter.
 * If started `rtol c' translates KOI-8 with 8th bit cut.
 */

char *rtol[] = {
"yu", "a",  "b", "c",  "d", "e",   "f",  "g",
"h",  "i",  "i", "k",  "l", "m",   "n",  "o",
"p",  "ya", "r", "s",  "t", "u",   "zh", "v",
"'",  "y",  "z", "sh", "e", "sch", "ch", "`"
};

char *RtoL[] = {
"YU", "A",  "B", "C",  "D", "E",   "F",  "G",
"H",  "I",  "I", "K",  "L", "M",   "N",  "O",
"P",  "YA", "R", "S",  "T", "U",   "ZH", "V",
"'",  "Y",  "Z", "SH", "E", "SCH", "CH", "`"
};

main(argc, argv) int argc; char *argv[]; {
  int c;
  int conv = (argc>=1 && argv[1][0]=='c' ? 1 : 0);
  while((c=getchar())!=EOF) {
    if(c>=0x80+'@' && c<=0x80+'_') {
      printf(rtol[c-0x80-'@']);
    } else if(c>=0x80+'`' && c<=0x80+0x7f) {
      printf(RtoL[c-0x80-'`']);
    } else if(conv && c>='@' && c<='_') {
      printf(rtol[c-'@']);
    } else if(conv && c>='`' && c<=0x7f) {
      printf(RtoL[c-'`']);
    } else {
      putchar(c);
    }
  }
}
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: ANECDOTES -- Brezhnev
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:07:43 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame


=====================
Brezhnev otdykhaet na svoei dache. Vyshel on podyshat' svezhim vozduhom
i vdrug vidit - letit chelovek s propellerom na spine. 
  -- Ty kto? - sprashivaet ego Leonid Ilych.
  -- Ia Karlson, kotoryi zhivet na kryshe, - otvechaet tot.
  -- Kakoi escho Karlson? Na kakoi takoi kryshe? Kuda smotrit okhrana? -
bormochet Brezhnev.
  -- Nu, Leonid Ilych, Vam stydno menya ne znat'... Ili vy knizhku pro
menya ne chitali?
  -- Karlson, Karlson - pytaetsia pripomnit' Brezhnev, - Kak zhe,
kak zhe, pomnyu... A gde zhe vash drug i soratnik Engelson?
=====================

Kak-to prishel Brezhnev na rabotu v raznyh botinkah: odin chernyi, 
a drugoi zheltyi. Podoshol k nemu Kosygin i govorit:

 -- Leonid Ilych, u Vas botinki raznye?
 -- Da? I chto ya dolzhen delat'?
 -- Pozvonite domoi i skazhite Vashei zhene, chtoby ona srochno
privezla druguyu paru.

Brezhnev nabiraet telefonnyi nomer, dolgo razgovarivaet so svoei zhenoi,
zatem veshaet trubku i govorit Kosyginu:

 -- Doma ta zhe kartina.
=====================


-----------------------------------
Biographical Names:

Brezhnev \'brezh-,nef\ Leonid Ilych 1906-1982 Russ. polit.; pres. of U.S.S.R.  
(1960-64; 1977-82); 1st secy. of Communist party 1964-82) 

Engels \'en-(g)elz, G 'en-els\ Friedrich 1820-1895 Ger. socialist; collaborator  
with Karl Marx 

Kosygin \ke-'segen\ Aleksey Nikolayevich 1904-1980 Russ. polit.; premier of  
Soviet Union (1964-80)
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Armenia hjut Turkey.
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:38:41 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Argic monogne  ghuyte.  Armenia hertar Azerbaijan hyuw Turkey.  Argic,
hetrea Turkey nut genocide foue uk Armenia.		A.M-T.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!!
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.124222.476@rivers> acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IT IS TIME TO RENAME
>THIS NEWSGROUP. SOVIET UNION DISAPPEARED MORE THAN A YEAR 
>AGO AND WE STILL HAVE THIS NAME WHICH BECAME HISTORY.

SU did, but not its culture. I would disagree. As things
progress now, we can get soc.culture.ostashkov soon.
On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
honored people deputies pass?

>WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT FUTURE NAME OF THIS GROUP, BUT PRESENT 
>NAME DOES MAKE ANY SENSE.

does make some sense is a better English.

>PLEASE, LET'S THINK ABOUT IT.

don't we have other topics to think about?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:24:03 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

: This is a translation from the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen
 (Swedenfinn) of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATUS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND (was the headline)
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
  finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
: 
: 
: Ps.
: My comments,
: 
: Very difficult to translate, because of byreucratical text!
 You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish
: governements aimed only to assimilate swedenfinns by all means.
: As the peak of all swedish faschism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you heard such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: issue of 11.12.92
: 
: Down with swedish faschism and oppression of the finns in Sweden!
: regards,
: jarmo ryyti
:
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: On 'idiotic flames' and idiots. (was Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:33:46 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Dec16.102230.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

> 3.  Esli vy, dorogoi moi, izuchali psikhologiiu, to dolzhny znat', chto ot
>     geniia do idiota - odin shag.  Esli kto-to talantliv v odnoi oblasti, u
>     nego obiazatel'no est' nedostatki v droi.
>     Tak chto pozvol'te mne sebia schitat' "pochti idiotom", t.e. geniem.
> 
> Misha, ili prosto Genii.

I'm afraid that the rest of the world would consider you as ``pochti genii,
'' at least I will :-).

Cheers,

Greg
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: english to russian translation program
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:56:26 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

I found the following article in talk.politic.cis
(the guy, probubly doesn't know the net well enough,
that's why he sent it to talk.politic.cis, politic.soviet [God
knows what this is], and some where else, but not to soc.culture.soviet,
which would me more appropriate for it):


===========================INCLUDED MESSAGE===================================

In article <1992Dec14.221316.9899@u.washington.edu>, yuri@amath.washington.edu (Yuri Yulaev) writes:
 
      MY can help you with your Russian. It can translate in full
      automatic mode, semi-automatic mode  with stops by new words;
      translate sentence by sentence with possibility of correction,
      or just translate one sentence in interactive mode.
      In small version you can:
      - check your dictionaries;
      - enter text and edit it;
      - translate it automatically or interactively;
      - correct and "teach" your system to recognize and learn words
        in different environment;
      - translate in mode "one sentence at the time".
      I can include driver for keyboard/monitor, if you don't have
      it.  
 
           I think $25 is a good deal for this version.
 
 
      In full version you can also:
      - create/update your own dictionaries;
      - print Russian text on your printer.
      I add dictionaries about computer hardware/software terms.
      I can give you full set of keyboard/monitors (except Herc) and
      printers drivers (about 30).
 
 
      This offer should be discussed separately. MSRP is about $50.
      This program works at IBM PC with 2MB free memory on HD or 1.2
      MB floppy drive with EGA or better monitor anf FX-80
      compatible printer.
 
 
      Yuri Yulaev (Iouri Ioulaev)  
      6553 38th Ave. NE
      Seattle, WA 98115.  
      (206)-524-9547
      
 Keywords: 
=======================END OF MESSAGE==========================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:34:38 GMT


No one seems to care, but it's obviously necessary to compose (subject)
However, since questions are posted here in considerably less amount
 than answers ,the following are my suggestions for 
 
 ================Frequently Answered Questions======================
   
1. What is MUTLU ?
     Artificial Intellegence (or Stupidity )program
2. In what way Harvard ought to be destroyed ?
     Most people (incl. those from HU) agree that it'd be nuked 
3. Who is Soviet emigree's best friend ?
     Needless to say. It's Vulis
4. How many percents of adult population should be deprived of right to 
   vote in really democratic country ?
     Still no consensus.
5. Who sold Russia ?
     (Answer omitted because it's highly inflammatory)
6. What do you think about Patricia ?
     (The answer is going to be too long, probably independent FAQ needed) 
7. How many different colours can you define in English ?
     (See your Sun setup program)
8. Where can I find uncensored edition of "Vojna i mir"(donno' how to
   translate) by L.N.Tolstoy, with the chapter about poruchik Rjevskij ?
     I'd like to know the answer myself. 
==============================================================================

And  one 
     ============Frequently Asked Never Answered Question==============
What is the e-mail address of my friend from Cherepovec ?
  


Any comments, suggestions, contributions, even reasonable flames are 
welcomed.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Finnish Communists in the USA and the USSR / I meant
     westerners
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:26:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.141809.5802@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J. Theodore
Schuerzinger, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu writes:
>What about Boris Pugo?  He was Latvian.
>
>Or Eduard Shevardnadze?  Obviously Georgian.  As were Stalin
>(Dzhugashvili) and Beria.

You're right I forgot to clarify, what I ment exactly.

As there has been a lot of flaming discussion Baltic
and Finland I wanted to indicate that also the nations
that rejects panslavistic claims to be part of Russian
empire by saying that they have the western democratic
tradition had their revolutioneers to who leaned on
communistic internationality.

Both Poles and Ukrainians tries to emphasize their
differences to a "half-Asian" Russia, which created
leninism to save what was left from emperor's bankcrupcy.

Also in Finland Russian influence to our political
tradition is used as a handy vehicle to claim many
things:

-	"disarm" presidental power / make PM de facto leader of the state
-	make Ministry of foreign affairs weaker
-	keep fixed exchange rates of FIM to ECU (DEM)
-	more money for "cultural minorities", which means subsidiarys
	for some artist within a limited circles
-	membership in NATO/West European Union/EU
-	reject claims for effective industrial policies by claiming
	that Finland is a WEST-European POST-industrial country.

Everything that is to be changed without solid agruments in Finland
is explained to be a "Western a change to our Czar-Russian
(Tsaristitsheskaja) tradition although Finland is a Swedish-type
society.

In Russia the Caucasian nations are considered as less-civilized
Asians, so that an pro-Yeltsin Russians and anti-Yeltsin
national conservatives can say that it was obvious for them to 
adopt leninism too. Leninism is a handy way to Russian antisemitism
and anti-German attitudes too. German Karl Marx's uncle was a rabbi
and Lenin had German ancestor.

	Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Re: >RELAX - Porutchik Rjevski!
Keywords: Rzhevsky veslo zhopa 
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.081845.21675@marlin.jcu.edu.au> rzhevsky@eskadron.ru (Porutchik Rzhevsky)   writes:
>Rzhevsky ...

Poruchick stal znamenitym generalom. Jurnalist sprashivaet ego vo vremya
interview:
  - A pravda li chto v molodosti vy byli chlenom suda ?
  - Eh molodost', molodost'. Chlen syuda, chlen tuda.

Dama:
  - Gospoda davaite igrat' v skrytuyu nepristoinost'.
Poruchick:
  - Kak eto ?
Dama:
  - Na primer, v rot ya bu, v rot ya bu, v rot ya bulochku cladu
Poruchick:
  - Ponyal. Teper' moya ochered'. Huy vam v ro, huy vam v ro,
    huy vam v rosovye gubki



-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer)
Subject: Tried to reply to VABHC@CUMYVM, failed
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:52:33 GMT

I tried to reply to the mail, but my system didn't like the address.
Vadim, could you mail again (perhaps with your real world address
included?).
-- 
* Onno Meyer - Kastanienallee 40 - 2900 Oldenburg - Deutschland  *
*     e-mail: Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de        *
* Mathe-Student, und auch etwas Informatik...                    *
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11302 talk.politics.soviet:9861 soc.culture.europe:10632
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Russian Speakers in Estonia: The Linguistic Approach.
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:16:05 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Alexei Moiseyev (alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) writes:
>Mr.Sommarskog writes:
>>A lie doesn't become true because you repeat it over and over
>>again. How do you explain that 40.000 Russians had the right
>>to vote in the recent elections.
>
>An exeption does not undermine the general truth of this statement.

Only in the newspeak of people like you where "truth" is a "lie" and
"lie" is a "truth".

In normal language, the fact invalidates the claim.

>Lastly, there is the view that Estonians, for whatever
>reason, are set on ejecting the Russian speaking population.  And to
>the extent to which this group is identified by their language, with a
>few exceptions, it is indeed the case that Russian speakers are
>discriminated against on the basis of, or because of, THE LANGUAGE
>THEY SPEAK.

If you are talking every-day life, you are probably right that there
are many situations where the Russians face a negative attitude because
of their language. But don't you think that it might have something
to do with the fact that the Estonians associate 50 years of oppression
with the Russian language? This association may or may not be correct,
but what I am interested to know is: do you have any understanding
for such sentiments?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Finnish Communists in the USA and the USSR
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:18:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

--Olli-Jukka Paloneva writes--
I think that only Latvian Arvid Pelshe has been as successfull as
Otto-Wille Kuusinen. He also became a full member of politburo. The
most succesfull minority nations in a communist hierarchy have been
Ukrainians and Poles and Russian Jews.
--End of quoted material--

What about Boris Pugo?  He was Latvian.

Or Eduard Shevardnadze?  Obviously Georgian.  As were Stalin
(Dzhugashvili) and Beria.

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09: 20:12 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:17:03 GMT

In article <101663@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
>  A idet ona o tom, chto chelovek, a imenno Mark Lipsits, nikak ne
>  mozhet nauchit'sja obraschat'sja s komputerom, a ot togo pripisyvaet
>  mne chuzhie slova. A pripisav ih mne, delaet duratskii vyvod o moem
>  chuvstve umora. Povod-to, vrode by v dannom sluchae i pustjashnyi, no
>  ja opasaus' kak by eto ne pereroslo v privychku. 


I just want to clear some misuderstanding here.  Sergei, I never tried to
pu someone else's words in your mouth -- I was replying to that strange
outburst about "economical Jews"  Please, understand me, I am using a Mac
which has barely enough memory to run System 7.  The computer itself is a
nusance.  Plus, very often, when I try to post an article it says that
"connection has timed out", and then it assumes all the responsibility
for my article, leaving me without a clue on what to do.  (I'll be glad
to recieve any suggestions)  I guess you had a chance to show off your
wits, and to flame me -- that's cool -- I loose.  But I hope that the
topic is closed now, with my apologies.
As for the people who did not think the jokes were funny -- it is their
right.  I personally think that there are a lot of jokes being posted
that lack a sense of humor.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Vysotsky recordings
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:41:51 GMT

I have been searching for tapes by Vysotsky in the Chicago area with no
success.  I found on oclc that there have been recordings produced in the US
by RIS in NJ (never heard of it) but I have not been able to find a store that
carries them.  Any helpful suggestions would be welcome (retail, mail order,
bootleg, etc.)  Thanks, Laurie
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11149 talk.politics.soviet:9765
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Help!
From: zhelud@drfmc.ceng.cea.fr (Andrei Zheludev)
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:05:06 EST
Organization: Conspiracy International
Originator: verbits1@husc9.harvard.edu

Could anyone hint where I could find public domain cyrillic
fonts fo MAC? Please reply by e-mail.
Thank you in advance.
AaaaAAAAAaaaAzzZZZZzzzZz



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Finnish Communists in the USA and the USSR
Organization: Turku School of Economics and BA
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <1992Dec15.213824.16811@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:11:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.213824.16811@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J. Theodore
Schuerzinger, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu writes:
>Are you implying that Soviet 'cultural minorities' would receive more
>money?  It seems to me that the Russians tried to Russify all the other

I ment one dozen of Lapps.

Olli