From: pjohnson@nyx.cs.du.edu (phil johnson)
Subject: Re: (administrative) Re: HELP! 2ND HARD DRIVE?????
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:19:30 GMT

In article <BzxDxp.EE4@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.062753.22371@uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>>In article <BzwKIG.Jq5@unix.portal.com> claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) writes:
>>>Mr Salmi, your intentions are good but by the references you yourself quote
>>>this newsgroup is unmoderated. I havnt seen anyone in this group complain
>>>about any of the off topic posts. How about being a little more human about
>>>it if you are going to continue posting these messages?
>>
>>1) The purpose of these messages are to act as a gentle guidance to
>>the users.  There is no reprimand nor "inhumanity" intended.  I've
>>been around too long for that.  I can assure you that this is
>>benevolent. 
>
>[The tedious remainder deleted.]
>
>Timo, why do you not see that your postings make the problem worse not
>better?  To _one_ off-charter post you have now posted _two_ responses 
>(that I have seen so far).  If you had not responded, or if you had
>responded in email, we would not have this thread at all.
>
>These incessant repetitions are exactly like a preacher in church berating 
>the congregation because attendance is so low.  The people who need to 
>hear the message don't hear it because they're not there; the people who 
>do hear the message don't need to.
>
>Experience shows, in every newsgroup, that no amount of posted
>reminders will stop off-charter articles from being posted.  Even a
>moment's thought shows the reason.  Off-charter articles come from 
>people who post without first reading the charter or anything else: they
>just subscribe and post.  Nothing, repeat nothing, that you post will
>solve the problem, because the people who cause the problem don't read
>the group before they post.
>
>You are preaching to the converted, Timo, and you're annoying the heck
>out of us.  But the sinners either left the church long ago or haven't
>walked in yet.
>
>I voted for the moderated group largely because I thought if you got
>that you'd be happy with a pure newsgroup and stop complaining about
>off-charter posts.  Please, give it a rest.

I don't really want to extend this thread either, but I think that your response
to Timo is unjustified.  You may be right that the reminders posted will
probably not have an effect.  I recall in another thread you asked a question
that had been clearly answered in the Digests and the FAQ.  Yet *you* still
received polite responses.
Over the time that I've been subscribing to msdos-ann and now to 
this newsgroup I have been very impressed how Timo has always been forgiving 
and polite to the uninformed.
Perhaps you should try to improve on your politeness, as Timo has 
pointed out it is not hard to avoid these messages totally.  Considering
the context of your message I think your rudeness is appalling.

Timo, thanks for the year-around gift of great archives.  You do a job that
is endless, I hope you realize that it is greatly appreciated.

>-- 
>Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
>Cleveland, Ohio, USA

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Phil Johnson					johnsonp@nicco.sscnet.ucla.edu

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