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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Song of Solomon
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.194356.18719@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
>Let's also note that our man Solomon was at the opposite extreme as Origen.
>With a thousand wives and concubines (almost as many sex partners as Magic
>Johnson had), not to mention the fact that most of them worshipped "amoral"
>[ahem] idols, I think you'd be pushing it a bit to say that God considered
>Solomon's alternate lifestyle "holy."

So, what does the "Song of Solomon" have to do with his "alternative
lifestyle", from which he had undoubtedly turned away before writing
this book (or anything else in the Bible, for that matter, such as
Proverbs)?

Are you saying that the Song literally describes Solomon's sinful
sexual excesses, and can only have a wholesome meaning when
spiritualized to refer to Christ and the Church?  Wouldn't that mean
that Christ's relationship to the Church is analogously sinful?

If the sexual imagery is wholesome when used as an analogy of Christ's
relationship to the Church, how can there be anything unwholesome about
the imagery itself?  That would necessarily taint the analogy.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Re: Sam Phillips
Summary: Remorse, Holding on.. lyrics
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:15:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.151324.13843@afterlife.ncsc.mil> pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus) writes:
>> Unfortunately, the CD liner (as is the case in a regrettable number of
>> instances) came without lyrics.  Does anybody have them?  If so, could
>> you puh-leeeeze post them or mail them to me?  I would be ever so grateful.
>
I've seen the album, the cassette, and the CD of Indescribable Wow, and
not too surprisingly, the lyrics were nowhere to be found anywhere.

>I would be intersted in the lyrics as well, especially to "remorse"  I have
>been trying to figure them out for 3 years!
>
Well, kids, here are a couple of transcriptions of some songs, done last
night by yours truly JUST FOR YOU! :-) When I saw her live on her tour with
Bruce Cockburn, I made it a point to listen for those tricky lyrics.
For example, the line "a tightened grip is our mistake as we're trying
to hold on...to the earth" was quite the lightining flash for me.  Words
in parentheses with question marks I'm not too sure about.

Always willing to aid netfolk with GREAT musical tastes, :-)

Michael.
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu 

REMORSE
=======

Pulling the trigger, shot (with?) fire, then he'd wake
To the red lips above him, smeared with scorn and stale restraint
She covered him with pity like a snake about to strike
And then pronounce him hopeless when he wouldn't do as she would like

CHORUS:
	And he's so sorry he can't feel remorse
	He tries to keep the helpless ship on course
	The blameless sky pales as the storm comes
	Taking it by force
	He's so sorry

Flashes of justice after all she'd done for him
For the first time she was quiet as he touched her own pale skin
They found him hours later, he was talking to the gun
Saying, "Father, please forgive her, she has killed her only son"

CHORUS

He's so sorry.

   
HOLDING ON TO THE EARTH
=======================

If I close my eyes, I'm afraid I won't wake up
If I stop and listen, I'm afraid I'll hear too much

Trying to hold on to the earth (3x)

I got a long black Cadillac, marble hot tub in the back
Champagne waterfall, a solid gold question mark twenty feet tall
A solid gold question mark twenty feet tall

Trying to hold on to the earth (2x)
Holding on for what it's worth

Try to paint a world of shapes over the holes as we're falling
A tightened grip is our mistake
As we're trying to hold on hold on hold on
Trying to hold on hold on to the earth

Looking for his name
Wet on brave lips, carved on (rope?) 
Look for flame and mercy
Hope that tired hands can hold

Trying to hold on to the earth (2x)
Holding on for what it's worth
Trying to hold on to the earth (2x)

(this may be some sort of copyright infringement.  Love and pathetic 
apologies to Sam and T-Bone; lyrics copyright Eden Bridge Music and Eden
Bridge/Arthur Buster Stahr Music, administered by Bug) 

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: What's happening to STRYPER and Michael
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:38:18 GMT

In <1992Sep2.155024.18446@mail.cornell.edu> R Todd Albee <rta1@cornell.edu> writes:


>Michael Sweet left Stryper to pursue a solo career.
>Enigma dropped Stryper's contract.
>Stryper is looking for a new lead singer.

>Todd

I'm available for the lead!  As long as Robert would let me play drums
sometime.  :-)

--
Keith
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World (NOW FOR SALE)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:55:02 GMT


Charles Evans writes

> However one "bug" .. first ever I have found. For those who have bought 
> the tape/CD and those who will, listen to the song "Out of This World" 
> and the lyrics sheet says after the Chorus the second time there should 
> be this:
> 
> Rap:
> It's all in your point of view
> A different look will see you through
> So check it out
> 'Cause life's worth living
> In this world, it's out of this world.
> 
> 
> There seems to be "ample" time for these lyrics to be put in over the 
> music.  and even there are a few _slight_ background aaahhh's and stuff 
> and "lead-ins" the the Chorus for the third time.
> 
> Is it like this on all the copies.. or do I have a rare one .. hmm  
> valuable..recall? second mixing ..? I guess it was left out of the mix? 
> Intentioneal?? anyone know ? I'm gonna tell em up at the store this 
> afternoon.
> 
I don't get it, Charles.  What are you saying?

clueless chuck
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: looking for one good album
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:45:08 GMT


OK netters, here's a difficult task -- 

After living fat off of my government employment for 5 years, I am now
a poor graduate student. Hence, I don't have a lot of money to spend, 
and what I do spend tends to go for trivial things like, say rent,
electricity and food.   

I've been out of music for such a long time
  (how long....)

that it still sometimes surprises me to go to a music store and not see
  any LPs
that I still don't have a CD player
that I still still a new release an "album" rather than a CD or cassette
that the last time I checked, the Rez Band was what was considered
 "christian metal." Now it's just hard rock.

I've gone some of those stickers (buy 4/5, get one free) which I want
 to redeem before the fall quarter starts and I can't think of anything
 else but studying. Anyway, they entitle me to a free album.

I've heard some names around here, but I'm looking for some
nominations -- of ONE album to spend my tickets on.

Categories: Pop / Rock / Metal/ Alternative / Rap / Country

Please nominate an album from each category, or at least one
album and specify the category.

Albums should be things on hand in a moderately sized store (the
one I will go to has all the categories I've mentioned, jplus
black gospel), as I'm not sure I could do this with a special order.

Please give some brief description as to the album you specify.

Thanks for your help.... yeah, i know it's a ridiculous request,
but please try. 

As a bonus to those who have made it this far, the store also had
a new or revised book by Bob Larson. I browsed through one
chapter -- and it almost sounds like he actually thinks some 
CCM is ok. wow.


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john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

>I would like to commend Noel for a well-thought-out posting though.  She
>went to Scripture for her answers and posted what she found in a logical
>way.  I think the interpretation of those Scriptures leaves room for the
>amoral argument, though, as I basically believe music in and of itself is
>amoral, and I found nothing in the Scriptures to deny that.

Well, thank you.  However, I must say that my wife was quite amused to
find out that she'd been married to a "she" all these years :-)) (I know,
since I can't put the punctuation properly over my name on a computer, it's
hard to tell...grumble)

--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie)
Subject: Christian critique of dance?
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:59:53 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland

Anyone know of a Biblically based critique or perspective of dance?
I know there are some conservatives who think all dance is from the
devil, and there are charismatic churches who make dance a regular
part of their worship.  Then there are Christian musicians like Amy
Grant who make what's basically wholesome dance music, and Christians
who perform profesionally as dancers.

I don't have a problem with dance in worship -- it's clearly Biblical,
and I do it myself in a kind of untalented fashion -- but social
dancing generally makes me uncomfortable.  It didn't used to, as much,
but that kind of contact with the opposite sex (I'm single) makes me
uneasy sometimes.  And then there's performance dance, like jazz and
ballet.  I don't know much about that.  I'd like to see someone take a
good look at dancing from perspectives like integrity in
relationships, honoring God, self-expression, friendship, and creativity.

I've found books on art and music from a Christian perspective, but
nothing on dance.  Anyone have any leads?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi)
Subject: Re: Tommy Funderburk/The Front/What If?
Organization: Helsinki Univ. of Tech., Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:33:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.220608.6245@access.usask.ca> coulman@cs.Usask.CA
(Randy Coulman) writes:

-> Does anybody have any information about what Tommy Funderburk is doing 
-> these days?  

Singing backgrounds for various artists. For example, you can hear him
quite clearly on Starship's "It's Not Enough"... he also sang on
Whitesnake's "Slip Of The Tongue" album but you can't really tell.
Just a couple of bands that everyone knows... he's on dozens of AOR
albums.

If you can find an album called "Airplay" go get it. It's a studio
project by David Foster, Jay Graydon and Tommy, with musicians like
(late) Jeff Porcaro, Steve Lukather, Bill Champlin, Paul Jackson Jr,
Jerry Hey... It was recorded in 1980/1981 (I forget) and there is a
Japanese CD print available.

-> I have an old cassette of The Front (he was the lead singer),

And Dann Huff was the lead guitarist... I even found the CD after some
hunting :)

-> which I like.  Last I heard, he was supposed to be forming a band called
-> What If? and releasing an album. 

This is news to me. Thanks for telling. I have to start looking around :)

- Janne
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Street cry summer over
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:13:34 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Hi, I am a volunteer worker at Street Cry, a christian music outreach
ministry.  The last weekly concert was last Saturday (snow white)
and they were certainly a blessing.  We now switch to the winter
schedule (once a month, last Sat. of month starting OCT)

I ask your help in locating christian bands who would be willing to
tour to Fredericksburg VA.  We can't pay them per se, but we ask
$3 - 5.00 donation at the door and this is used to bless the band.
Street Cry is fire code rated for 149 people, but seating maxes closer
to 60.   We try to offer a mix of musical styles so that isn't a
problem.

This was a good summer and bands included Carribean Praise, the Throes,
Full Armor and Harry & the Measles.  We were also able to host Greg
Voltz at the Colonial theater across the street in conjuction with
the Billy Graham crusade.




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   ** my dream: voice, video, data, 3 services, 1 network **
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:57:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

One thought on the subject of sarcasm:  It's not appropriate to be used
with one's children, in my opinion.  The sarcasm I've seen parents use
with kids has really wounded.  

Examples of sarcasm I've seen that seem innocuous to me:  "Cruddy day,
huh?" on bright, sunny afternoon; "Ooh, very tasteful" to someone going
as a nerd to a costume party; "Riiiight" when Clinton says he didn't
inhale ... 

 
-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sicotted@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Hello there
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:08:28 GMT

Hi there folks.  I just wanted to post a general message to let you guys 
know I'm reading.  Like you care.. :)  

I've been following a couple of the threads, and for the most part (there
are always exceptions) I'm VERY impressed with the depth and intelligence
of the answers.  I haven't noticed that in some of the other Newsgroups.

Scott Deering's (?) Desert Island Quiz is getting interesting - it's allowed
me to get an idea of the range of people posting to this group and hear about 
new (and old) bands.  I'll be posting my answer when I get a chance to think
about it.

As soon as I can manage to buy a car, I'll let you know what music makes me
drive fast.

Well, there's no need for me to fill up bandwidth with chatter, so
BYE!

In Christ,

Dana L. Sicotte
University of Massachusetts Lowell
Box 1132
Lowell, MA  01854

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:09:46 GMT

In <1992Sep1.120657.13693@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

>Michael Jenkinson writes:
>>Judgement call?!?!?  I'm surprised Word didn't cancel Warnke's
>>contract outright as soon as this surfaced! Judgement call?!?!? They
>>supported him fully for the first month, until it was revealed his
>>tax-exempt status was gone

>Stephen puts on his small timid voice...  Gee, if I was an artist, I
>would sure appreciate my record company not abandoninng me at the first
>sign of trouble.... but I would understand if at some point, my actions
>were such that they were intolerable, that they might have to let me
>go.  Just a thought. 

Yes, I agree. As I stated in my earlier post, I just get a bit rabid
when discussing Warnke.

What really got my goat about Word's attitude initially, though, was
their public, unconditional support for Mike. Now there's a difference
between abandoning an artist at the first sign of trouble, and saying,
"Gee, Mike, this is pretty serious...let's sit down and discuss what
is going to be done about this..." Perhaps Word did have that
conversation with him, perhaps not. It just seemed, so....I
dunno...arrogant on Word's part at first.

Anyway, they did correct their error (in my view). Now we will have to
wait and see what happens with this whole situation.

Michael
From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: More Amy Grant fodder
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:38:34 GMT



Hey gang,

Just thought I'd throw some more gasoline on the old Amy flame-fest.
This weekend I saw a rerun of the 700 club. Amy Grant was on it and was
promoting Heart In Motion, so it was before she went on tour and before
the album really hit it big. When questioned about the content of the
album, Amy looked the interviewer straight in the eye and said she didn't
want to try to pull the wool over anybody's eyes, and that this album
was her all out attempt to make a pop-music album. The reason she gave
was that she knows a lot of Christians who don't really like CCM. She
asked her niece or nephew (don't remember which) what music he/she listened
to. When she heard it, she was shocked. So, she decided she would release
a non-CCM album that was a wholesome alternative for those Christians
who don't like CCM.

Just thought you'd like to know.

God bless,

Russ

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:57:15 GMT

Could someone please mail me a short summary of what has happened since
the initial story (by CCM) came out.  All I knew was that Mike had issued
a denial.  When and why did the IRS revoke his tax-exempt status?

Just Curious.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Tommy Funderburk/The Front/What If?
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:06:08 GMT

Does anybody have any information about what Tommy Funderburk is doing 
these days?  I have an old cassette of The Front (he was the lead singer),
which I like.  Last I heard, he was supposed to be forming a band called
What If? and releasing an album.  I looked for it around here a few times
and could never find it.  Recently, I was watching a movie on Superchannel
(movie channel in Canada) and there was a song playing.  I thought to 
myself that the singer sounded an awful lot like Tommy.  Sure enough, the
credits at the end of the movie showed that it was What If? that did the 
song.  Now, I am again interested in finding a What If? CD.  If anyone has
any information, such as what they've released, whether they're still 
together, where I can find a CD, etc., let me know.  I read this group 
regularly, so a post is fine, but e-mail is good too.

Thanks,
Randy
-- 
Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0             
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Re: Tommy Funderburk/The Front/What If?
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:01:45 GMT

In article <Bu0Jzs.6KJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mpa44683@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Wisest Fool) writes:
>coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman) writes:
>
>>Does anybody have any information about what Tommy Funderburk is doing 
>>these days?  I have an old cassette of The Front (he was the lead singer),
>>which I like.  Last I heard, he was supposed to be forming a band called
>>What If? and releasing an album.  I looked for it around here a few times
>>and could never find it.  Recently, I was watching a movie on Superchannel
>>(movie channel in Canada) and there was a song playing.  I thought to 
>>myself that the singer sounded an awful lot like Tommy.  Sure enough, the
>>credits at the end of the movie showed that it was What If? that did the 
>>song.  Now, I am again interested in finding a What If? CD.  If anyone has
>>any information, such as what they've released, whether they're still 
>>together, where I can find a CD, etc., let me know.  I read this group 
>>regularly, so a post is fine, but e-mail is good too.
>
>>Thanks,
>>Randy
>>-- 
>>Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
>>                                |       Department of Computational Science
>>coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
>>                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0   
>
>The group What If? released a self-titled album back in '87. I don't believe
>they have put anything elde out. The group basically is the Front minus Dann
>Huff and Dennis Bellfield (although Dann does play on one song). I think it 
>might be out of print now. I haven't seen it in any store since '87. It is 
>an incredible album, and a deffinate must get if it is still avalible. They do
>a great remake of Tonio K's Perfect World. 
>

I was told by someone else that it is now out of print.  I'm still going to 
look around for it.  I'll post something if I find it.

>Do you remember what movie it was that had the Song by Tommy in it. I would
>love to see it just to hear the song, and but the soundtrack if it is out.
>

I don't remember off-hand.  It was some movie I was watching when I was 
really bored, or avoiding doing something productive or couldn't sleep, so it
wasn't very memorable.  I'll try to remember to look it up when I get home.

Randy
-- 
Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0             
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