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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:04:00 CST
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From:         A10TRB9@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      intro and stat question

Hello PSYCGRADers,
I have been reading this list for several months, but like many
people who ask Dear Abby for help, "I never thought I'd be writing
to you myself."  The impetus, of course, is a problem.  First,
however, an introduction is in order.  I am a 3rd year student at
No. Ill. Univ. in the social/organizational psyc program.  I did
my undergraduate work in computer science, and am interested in
the psychological ramifications of the computerization of just
about everything, particularly those manifested in the work place.

Now...the problem:  One assignment for a class I took this semester
was to do a small empirical study that would be novel and of interest
to my classmates.  I thought it would be interesting to see if there
was a relationship between the research productivity (using journal
article counts as the measure of productivity) of dissertation chairs
during the time they are associated with the student they are working
with, and the student's eventual research productivity.  Of course,
all this is archival data, but for the purposes of this paper my
interest is just to see if there is some potential for further
investigation; i.e., significant correlations.  O.K., so what the
difficulty is, is coauthored research, which is included in both
the chairs and students article counts.  I don't want to leave these
articles out, since they are relevant to the question.  In fact, if
I correlate only the joint articles with the student's long term
total productivity (including the joint articles, which consitute
a substantial percentage of the total productivity for some students)
I find one of the few moderately strong correlationsin this study.
The crux of my dilemma is whether it is legit to correlate a set
with a subset of itself, and if so, what is the appropriate method
to test for significance?  If it is not (as I suspect, since a subset
will never be larger than the set) what method could I use to assess
the relationship?  Thanks for any suggestions!

                     TR Biddle
From: kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU (Kenneth V. White)
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Subject: ADD vs. Hyperactivity Refs
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:47:37 GMT
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To all who wrote public and private about the diagnostic differences
and response discrimination to methylphetamine, you might wanna
check out the following two "classics."

To everyone else, sorry -- THEY asked!  :)

Hinshaw, S.P. (1987).  On the distinction between Attentional Deficits
/Hyperactivity and Conduct Problems/Aggression in Child Psychopathology.
_Psych. Bulletin_, 101(3), 443-463.

Rapoport, J. & Ferguson, H.B. (1981).  Biological validation of the hyper-
kinetic syndrom.  _Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology_, 23,
667-682.

Kenn
kwhite@wam.umd.edu

p.s.  For what it's worth, the DSM-III lists "Attention Deficit-Hyperactivity
Disorder" (314.01) as one lump rubric.  My clinical neuropsych. buddies
tell me that many in the field are unhappy with this all-encompassing
category, and that the DSM-IV is supposed to, yet again, make the
distinction between ADD and HD.
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Attn. Deficit Disorder

Come on! How many kids have you actually worked with? Don't judge until
you have seen.
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Sunni and "what to do"

I am not disagreeing with you, but I have been a part of the real world of
trying to get an adequate education for a handicapped child (deaf), and
believe me, the school officials in many places (I moved around alot as an
Air Force wife) want to do only what is minimally required, and many
places ADHD is not even a condition considered in need of special education.
Behavioral help is the best way. Maybe we can do something to change the way
the munchkins are helped with their education. Meds should be a last resort,
but tell the teachers that who refuse to work in any extra way with a child
who is ADHD. Title 7 and Head Start are great programs, but lots of school
systems provide only the minimum, and tell the parents that there aren't
funds for more . With most school systems hiring itinerant special ed peeps
the "needs" kids are last. I was only saying that in some situations meds
are the only way to get the kids past the system. It's rotten, but it
really happens that way. In all of the time I was moving around I only found
one school systems that had good educational opportunities for the kids
who were in some way disabled.
From: 054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET (Monika Trzcinska)
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Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi
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Eric,
Stimulation of the VMH often produces avoidance, or aversion.  However, VMH
seems to be involved in brown fat functioning, and hence in metabolism.
Avoidance, can also be found around LH (if you miss the placement at surgery).
I am not aware of any studies with self-stim done on suprachiasmatic, or
supraoptic nuclei of the hypothalamus.  I know thought, that self-stim can
be obtained from lateral preoptic area, nucleus accumbens, mediodorsal
thalamus, hippocampus, periaqueductal gray, raphe (dorsal raphe especially),
medial prefrontal cortex, caudate putamen, and of course lateral hypothalamus
and ventral tegmental area.
If I am correct the suprachiastatic and supraoptic area of the hypothalamus
are rather involved with circadian rhythms...and I cannot see how the
stimulation of these may be rewarding...but then again I may be either tired
or narrow-minded...


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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:09:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: L7 feminists and enlightened Pixies

Larry,

        At the risk of patting myself on the head too much, may
I point out that several others on this list share my
definition of "feminism," as well as some of those who publish
as feminists.  Thus, I suggest that my definition is not as
"idiocyncratic" as you assert.
        I must plead ignorance--what is L7 music?
        --Kathy Morgan
        humanist feminist, devotee to NPR, and keeper of many
iguanas
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stat Question
              "A10TRB9%NIU.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU" at Nov 23, 92 11:04 am

I am sorry that I cannot answer your very interesting question, but I hope
that if you get any responses that you will post them to psycgrad.

Stephanie Fishkin at Univ of So CA

PS  Happy Thanksgiving!

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 weigh less than a single lovely action.
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Stephanie Fishkin, Univeristy of Southern California
fishkin@scf.usc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:59:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Averaging repeated GRE scores

I thought the reason for averaging the scores to begin with was
because of a known practice effect, an unwanted variable in a
test that is supposed to measure some intrinsic talent.  So I
am surprised that your prof's new institution was not
displeased with her "deception."  Are you sure about this?
--Kathy Morgan
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:19:38 -0400
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From:         HESSJX@UNCG.BITNET
Subject:      Re: departmental sex

Tracy,
        Several of our faculty have also married former grad students in the
program.  None of them have been their own advisees that I am aware of.  I also
tend to believe that they did not date the student until they no longer had them
    in class.  We also have grad students who date each other--two who just got
married--and it seems to be acceptable.  There is even a grad student who is
dating an undergraduate from a class that he taught.  He did not start dating
her until the class was over, however.  Anyway, if I had to say there is an un-
spoken rule it is never date your own students while they are your students, but
   it's okay once they are not your student anymore.  This at least modifies the

issue of relationships stemming out of situation of unbalanced power.  I am sure
   the clinical students have some views on this issue, but this is just persona
   l
observation.
Jennifer
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:01:00 CST
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From:         Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Flaming

>On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:33:00 CST Betty Harris said:
>>I hafta agree with Larry and disagree with Matthew on this one. I don't
>>feel that either calling the person or the idea stupid is acceptible
>>behavior.  It is ok to disagree with an idea, but it is not ok to call
>>it stupid just because you don't agree with it (them).  After all,
>>didn't most ppl of his time period think that Galileo's (sp) ideas were
>>"stupid"???  Couldn't we simply respond by saying that we disagree and
>>give the rationnale for our disagreement???

>On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:05:38 EST Matthew Simpson writes:
>How would you define a flame?  How do you know it when you see it? We
>need a short, clear, and easy-to-communicate-and-understand definition
>that has high anticipated inter-rater reliability.

>So far, we are defining it as a public attack on individuals through the
>content of e-mail postings.

Hmmmm...  How about defining it as:
Flaming is verbally attacking/insulting either a person or
their ideas using evaluative, emotionally charged labels rather
than disagreeing with specific ideas and providing rationalle for
disagreeing.

Effective comunication involves:
1)  listen to what the other person is attempting to say
2)  summarize the content of the message to make sure you
    understood what they were saying
3)  ask for clarification of global or ambiguous terms
4)  disagree with specific points (avoid generalities and labeling)
5)  give the rationnale for your disagreement
6)  use "I feel" or "I believe" rather than "You"

If you are being flamed it's best to recognize that the flamer
is angry or frustrated about something.  It seems more effective
in this case to not react to their anger, but rather try and
awknowledge the affective state of the person. eg "You seem
angry."  and try to get them to talk about *why* they are angry.
Tell them that their behavior is not acceptible, then tell them
what is acceptible and why.

What I tell my Relay users is:
"It's ok to disagree, but it's not ok to insult people."

Jeez... I can't make up my mind whether I'm sounding clinical
or developmental! *laugh*
Oh well.. that's the best I can muster up right now! :-P
Betty
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From: 20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Jury selection process
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:16:04 GMT
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David,

Thanks a bunch for the excellent reference.

Sybil
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Feminism

Someone recently requested this information.
Because this has been such a well-attended-to topic over the past few
weeks, I thought some of the participants might be interested in knowing
about these lists.  So I'm posting it to the list.  Have fun.  :-)

Excerpt from the LISTSERV lists known to LISTSERV@UTORONTO on 19 Nov 1992 09:29
Search string: FEMIN

Network-wide ID  Full address      List title
---------------  ------------      ----------
FEMINIST         FEMINIST@MITVMA   ALA Feminist Task Force Discussion List
FEMREL-L         FEMREL-L@MIZZOU1  Open discussion of women, religion, and femi+
FEMSEM           FEMSEM@SBCCVM     Stony Brook Feminist Philosophy Mailing list
MEDFEM-L         MEDFEM-L@INDYCMS  an open discussion forum for medievalist fem+
Don't know if your interested.  Have fun.

O======================================================================O
 | _  l  _  * Matthew Simpson          * BITNET:                      |
 |  \_l_/   * School of Psychology     * 054340@uottawa.bitnet        |
 |    l     * 145 Jean Jacques Lussier * INTERNET:                    |
 |    l     * Ottawa, Ontario K1N 8P5  * 054340@acadvm1.uottawa.ca    |
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From: 20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Internships: another hoop to jump...
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:59:07 GMT
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Yes, yes, yes...(my impersonation of Sally in When Sally Met Harry)...
Please send me the info on internship hoops.

Sybil
From: jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK (Julie Marie Williams)
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Subject: Re: CRIMINOLOGY LIST
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:47:44 GMT
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Via:        UK.AC.ST-AND; 18 NOV 92 19:47:33 GMT

Avishai,

If you do manage to find out about a criminology list, could you please send
me details as I have a friend who might be intersted?
Thanks (in anticipation)

Julie
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From:         "Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU,
              (509) 963-1504" <RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psy.D. Programs?

Which is the more important factor? PSY D or Phenomenology?  Amedeo Giorgi, one
of the gurus of phenonemology is on the faculty at Saybrook Institute in San
Francisco.  They offer Ph. D.'s  in Psych and "Human Science" 1-800-825-4480.
Philip
RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET
A Saybrook student
working @ CWU
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From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <J.H.Dasilvaalvo@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      ADHD introduction

Hi all,
For any of those interested in ADD or ADHD may like to look through the
'Behavior Modification' journal, Vol.16, Part 2, 1992. A few intro and other
articles.
On the other hand if any of you would like 131 references let me know.
Bye for now.
Jorge.
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From:         "Chronically, Nonterminally Ill" <MONCRIET@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: departmental sex (subject for gossip? NOT!)

 Wow, Matthew.  I didn't mean for this to be taken in that way...I am
personally dating someone from another school in psychology, and I was
just curious.  It isn't anyone's business, and I didn't mean that
people here were "harshly  judging" others, it is just a topic of interest
whenever two people that people know show interest in one another.  I
have a very good friend who is dating in the department, and I think it's
 great.It was just considered a "fun" topic for everyone to find out.
        As far as the faculty member comment I made, my advisor as an undergrad
told me about it, warning me that it may be difficult for me wherever I wound
up in Grad school, because it had happened to her.  That kind of gossip
is malicious, I agree, but that is not what we have here, nor is it
appropriate in a professional environment.

        Sorry to have offended you, I didn't mean to!!!

        Nobody has responded to some other inquiries I've made, so at least
this generated response, and I know my messages are getting to psycgrad!

(sorry again, :-)  )

tracy
cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From:         ROBERT_BROCKMAN <CDBSDUC@IUP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CBT for children

Robin:

A paper for class? Well, I can give you a good reference: Phillip Kendall's
Child & Adolescent Therapy: Cognitive-Behavioral Procedures. Published by
Guilford (50% student discount strikes again!), in 1991.


Good luck with your paper. Now, will you help me with my dissertation?



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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Diversity on the network

Sybil,
In regard to your ethnicity,racial question:
I was born in Poland and I am still a Polish citizen (landed immigrant in
Canada), so I guess you could classify me into the "where-are-you-from-you
have-an-accent" type of monority...


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Sybil,
I have been living in North America for almost half of my life, and definitely
all of my adult life (I am 26).  I cannot say that my Polish heritage has
influenced my views in discussions here, although I must admit the influence
might have been "subconcious"...
Am I strongly connected to my Polish heritage...?
Well... I speak, read and write in Polish fluently, I am in very close
touch with my Polish family and friends here and "back home"... I attend
Polish plays, listen to Polish music, and to catholic masses in Polish
(more for cultural than religious reasons), I even tutor my husbad and my
supervisor in learning the language...and I subsribe to Poland-L, a computer
list very much like this one...So how is that for close connection...:-)
I am very proud of who I am, and honestly folks, if you are ever in Europe
I would strongly recommend visiting  Poland.  It has everything, from friendly
people, wonderful food, mountains, rivers, valleys, sea, and history that is
at least a 1000 years old.
A perfect vacation spot!


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