HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug4.033403.2394@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>In article <1992Aug3.163719.690@menudo.uh.edu> cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu (Caleb Cullen) writes:
>|The question  
>|to ask in that case is: To which sex am I most likely to be attracted? or  
>|To which sex am I most often attracted?  For some it is an easy question  
>|to answer.  For others it is not.  The question in my mind then is: Are  
>|those who can't answer that question easily the "true" bisexuals," while  
>|others are really het/hom with leanings?
>
> To put it simply, no.  This particular bisexual is more attracted to women
>but would be (and, for that matter, has been) very annoyed when someone tells
>him that he's not bisexual. (For the record, I suspect I'm somewhere between
>a Kinsey 1 and 2, but of the eight(!) sexual relationships I've had in my
>life, five have been with men.  No, I'm not het with leanings, thank you
>very much.)

hear hear.  your life can change at any time, you know.
as can your loves.  i have always rated myself around a 
kinsey 3, but lately, while madly in love in a motss
relationship, i've been feeling a bit closer to a 4...
a pi, perhaps, like kay?  

i have had *many* more relationships/sexual experiences
with men than women, btw.  for all sorts of reasons.  and
i don't regret any... well, many of them.  ;)  but i'm 
still a 3+ (at least right now!).  

geez, kay, *another* thing i have in common with you!  
i have this feeling that you and i meeting would be 
potentially dangerous...
someone so like myself... scary...

peg
-who firmly believes in self-defintion...
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 02:24:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Aug12.213013.596@slcs.slb.com>
  <1992Aug18.071609.16130@amhux2.amherst.edu>
  <1992Aug18.230422.87@cbnews.cb.att.com>

Having read eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com's recent post, I hope I can offer some
help.

First you talk about ground rules. You need to establish them with your boy-
friend and work them out. Okay that's prefectly obvious, but it is what 
you need to do.

Second, just because you have a boyfriend does not mean that your girlfriend
has to come in second. Each relationship will be differnet and special in its
own way. There doesn't have to be a primary and secondary relationship.

Third, as far as morals are concern, i don't see any problem unless you're 
lying or sneaking around. As long as you're honest...

Ben Gibson
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:30:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.185907.10697@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>In article <h4znbkar@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>|Am I the only person who's had sex on top of a PDP11/70?
>
>   Yes, probably.  You *never cease to amaze us, Kay.

well, um, actually...
way back when the only computers i knew were original
apples amd apple 2's (i had no idea what to do with
anything other than a pc sized machine, and barely that!)
i dated (and later married) a devoted computer geek.  he
worked on pdp 11 somethings.  it was hot, the computer 
room was air conditioned...
let's just say, kay, that you are *not* alone.  
why do i always find myself in the kinky minority?  

just popping in briefly on a borrowed university machine...
peg
-who's computer is still down but prospects may be looking
up (finally!)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Change of address
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:34:08 GMT

It seems they are going to switch off this machine today. Therefore,
I must use a friends account from now on (janhen@sci.kun.nl), or
get an account on nyx. I hope everything works out all right...

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gilberts@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: semi-serious question
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:09:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug6.142935.6145@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake) writes:
> ok, I realize this might be a bad idea bringing up a possibly serious
> discussion, but what the heck.  why not.
> 
> Ok, is there a difference between being bi, and being willing to have sex
> with people of both sexes?

	Of course there is, a big difference.  At least, as I see it, I did not
consider myself bisexual until I had fallen in love with a woman.  I 
believe that a person steps into bisexuality when the emotions of passion and 
love come along with the desire for sex.  Just having sex with a member of the 
same sex does not constitute bisexuality, at least not in my book. 

> 
> 
> --
>                     . . . . .                      strake@dartmouth.edu
>            .    :   .   :   .    :     .           I don't know, I was
>       :    :   .  :     :      :  .    :     :     drunk. It looked cool
>       :        :        :         :          :     at the time.

I don't know, I kinda of like it.


-Kiana

---
Never let you morals intefere with what is right.



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sara@blkhole.resun.com (Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing))
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:59:44 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:

>ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:

>|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) said:

>|>ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:

>|>|In article <5658@ebt-inc.UUCP>, pks@queue.uucp (Pearl Stark) said:

>|>|>I couldn't let this pass without plugging providence ...

>|>|yeah, and soon to be even cooler ... and neater ...

>|>   Might this have something to do with certain people moving there?

>|why whoever (in what hot tub) could ever have given you *that* idea?

>   Um, er, yeah.  Whoever indeed.  Though I will note that I did not
>swoon (saying "oh, swoon!" doesn't count), nor propose marriage (at 
>least not in the context of the hot tub in question.)  Any reports to
>the contrary are slightly exaggerated.

In that case, herewith an exaggerated report; you did so!  And so, and
so ... I was there, in that very hot tub and I SHOULD KNOW!

>|yeah, it just might have something to do with that ....

Oh, and Elaine, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a pelican.  I'm
sure you know who the real one is.

>   Can I visit Providence?   I promise to be good.

Promises promises!
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m'syon khror)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bedtime for Bonobos
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:32:32 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University


In article <36913@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>Well, I happened to be reading a March 1992 issue of Natural
>Geographic and the cover article was about great apes and man, and
>various interrelations. One group of apes that were mentioned where
>the bonobos, aka Pygmy Chimps. These happy creatures appear to be
>relatives to the inhabitants of the fundamentalists wildest
>nightmares. 

	They are also, if I remember rightly, the closest relatives
to _Homo Sapiens Sapiens_  (us ;) in terms of morphology and micro-
biology.  They would be a much better model for the socio-biologists,
except for the fact that bonobo behavior doesn't fit the favorite 
theories... ;)

>[...]

>So there you have it, the answer to true social order, female
>dominance, and screw like hell anything that moves. If only the dead
>sea scrolls would come up with 'something completely different' on
>the dead martyr cult.
>
>-- 
>
>John Clark
>jclark@ucsd.edu

Hear here!  ;)


-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:02:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.154023.3301@otago.ac.nz> witbrock@otago.ac.nz writes:
>I do hope you'll take me there to lunch one day, 8-), shall we make that
>say Sept 15 or so? (After I've surfaced and unpacked) I presume its 
>near work, rather than one of these million other places you seem to turn up!
>Doesnt the place have a strange name, considering? (or is it a typo)

Deal!  (it's a take-away only though)  I'm up early today to get the 12:00
train to Edinburgh to go up & fix the Sparc this weekend.  Someone went
ahead and booked a flight without waiting to see if it was working! Grrr! :)

>Ann
>ps. Whats a bhattora?

It's a sort of Indian taco.  Solomon's Mine is a vegetarian place so
that's a poor analogy, but I can't think how else you'd describe them.
Crispy crepes perhaps?

See you soon, homegirl!

G
--
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:15:12 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

|In article <24891@castle.ed.ac.uk>
|     angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:

|>After i've been vaginally intimate with someone, I am physically aware of
|>the penetration for up to 2-4 days afterwards.

|   Well, angi, after I've been soundly fucked I know it for up to a
|week afterwards, and I'm a man.  Does that count?

Yes. I was seeking information as well.

|>Any comments?

|   Yeah... if you're willing to live with the flames, ask soc.men and
|soc.women... I'm sure they'd love to hear it :-)

No. i think i'll decline. i'm feeling fragile enough at the moment :-(
i think i'll retire and think some more.

angi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: I'm baaaccckkk!
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:38:43 GMT

Yes, I'm back...after my 6 weeks at counseling kids at camp, I hit burnout
Monday night and they told me to come home. After 15 hours of sleep, I'm 
semi-coherent again and in dire need of some hugs.

Anyways, I posted my "story" awhile back and am ready to start dealing
with my feelings....I think :).  

Being disabled and bi is tough.  I live in a family where homosexuality
is accepted, as long as its not in the family. I can't afford to come out
to my family yet. I'm still living at home and with all my current plans,
coming out would trash the entire situation.

Pete
-- 
Peter J. Boulay --17 Split Rock Road-Pittsford, NY 14534-The ToonAddict!
Email should be sent only to PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Disclaimer: You don't like what I'm writing? Oh well.
"Well shut my mouth wide open!"- Tiny Toons HISMV
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bethan's Birthday Greetings
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:58:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
>Well it's arrived here.. And I read each of the 38 articles that've been
>posted so far..

 Yup - there's obviously a need outside of soc.bi that's been filled by 
the group, which is very nice to see. (the need, not the lycra; the
latter, of course, is certainly pleasing to the eyes..)

>Now I need to get some lycra of my own..

 Yay! Go for it!

 -- Fenthe
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush! 
Summary: kiss goodbye to the signal to noise ratio!
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:20:05 GMT

In article <714379452snx@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|In article <1992Aug20.191422.1428@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu writes:
|>   Though I'd be more than happy to arrange importation of computer
|>hardware.  I'd bet that even with duty and VAT, it'd still be cheaper
|>than the prices I've seen there (Clive, was it you who was saying that
|>you could fly to the USA, pick up hardware, visit friends, and return
|>for less than the price of the stuff in the UK?)
|
|it worth while.  400 pounds each over here; $240 over there.
|

   And as a side benefit, you'd also get a visit from a wandering Orc,
who would *shamelessly* try to recruit you into being a trainspotter and,
failing that, would happily go and watch trains, then go down to the pub
and embarrass you by flirting with everyone within reach, including you,
unless you moved quickly to pretending that you just didn't know this
particular american :-)  [And, as a special bonus, you could watch me
forget and start pronouncing things with a Generic UK accent, then notice
that I was doing it and becoming quite annoyed with myself. (Though, come
to think of it, I don't really have to be *in* the UK to become dialectally
(is that a word? If it is, I'll bet I misspelled it) confused, as certain
uk.bi'ers have already noticed...)]


   On the other hand, perhaps this isn't a benefit :-)

                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: silly quotes
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:19:38 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <10428@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>I came across this quote as a header for a 'low fat' food  advert in a 
>slimmer's magazine (and no, it wasn't mine!)
>' Don't fight the temptation. Lick it.'

Yes, I saw that too and grinned...

>btw Anyone off to Norwich ???

Of course - it looks like I'll have to be there early (registration desk
duties, as well as my other hats for the weekend: firstaider, child
care, security, crash-space supervision <heh!>, workshop facilitator)
so I'll be around from late afternoon Thursday, all being well.  Malc,
Judes, Justin, I know will be there; Dave and Alex seem certain; Daff
I'm not sure of yet...

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Xref: sparky soc.bi:10944 soc.motss:35521
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 01:07:13 EDT
From: Lou Madigan <LOMBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?

Sorry, i don't have any actual quotes for you.  But i have always been of the
impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt.  I mean lets face it, we have
a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.

I friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that pual loved to
put his head on jesus's breast.

I'm sold.

Lou
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.162853.28349@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Kay writes:
>>Texas doesn't spring to mind as the bisexual centre of anything (face it,
>>it's Edinburgh or nowhere :))

And Caleb's in Houston.  <sniff> <sob> <grizzle>

>>Awwwww.... can't reach.  [see comment on "Atlantic"].  Pity.
>Ah, well.

Waaaaaah! I wanna play with Caleb! may I? please? awwwwwwwww....


			Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: hot bi babes
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:52:56 GMT

In <1228@ki.com> jet@ki.com (Jeanette Bradley) writes:
>[While camping at the weeked, Jeanette met a man who had some
>misconceptions about bisexuality, specifically about "hot bi babes"]
>[...]
>I was wondering how other people (women) deal with 
>this sort of thing... both what you say in reply
>(I was speechless) and how you deal with it personally.

I can't offer you any advice on the specific incident you described (and
besides, I think some of the women here would be able to offer better
advice than me on this) but I can offer some more general advice...

There is an excellent book called "The Gentle Art of Verbal
Self-Defense" which I recommend that everyone read. It advocates the
following steps:

	1 Recognise that you are been verbally attacked
	2 Identify the *type* of attack (the book discusses about 8 or
	  10 different types of attack, distinguishable from each other
	  easily enough by grammatical form)
	3 Choose an appropriate response for the attack
	4 Follow through if necessary

I am *crap* in verbal arguments and defending myself against verbal
attacks. (That's one reason I like Usenet; it gives me plenty of time
to formulate what I will say.) I read the book and it helped enormously.
It's something which you have to practice in order to become
proficient, but even just reading the book once without practicing
(which is what I did) will enable you to do the first 2 steps. While
just this much will not help you much in winning arguments/defending
yourself, it is great for peace of mind since so often verbal assaults
take a form which makes you (the victim) feel as if it is all your
fault. If you can recognise these for the attacks that they are then
you won't guilt-trip thinking that you are to blame.

Unfortunately, I don't have a full reference for it (ISBN number etc).
Here's all the details that I do have:
	@book{self-help-3,
		  author =	"Suzette Haden Elgin",
		   title =	"{The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense}",
	       publisher =	"Prentice-Hall",
		    year =	"1980"
	}

>(Right now, this event, as well as a few others that
>occured over the weekend, are making lesbian seperatism
>look like an appealing option, which also bothers me.)

Maybe you should consider seperatism seriously. Such "extreme" things
can sometimes be useful for helping oneself focus and channel one's
anger and energy. (Another example of such an "extreme" thing is the
"Queers Read This" leaflet which was distributed at a Pride march a few
years ago and was posted to soc.{bi,motss} a few times.)


<> I hate straight people who think stories about themselves are
<> "universal" but stories about us are only about homosexuality.
<> --- "Queers Read This"

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: hot bi babes
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:10:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <memo.579270@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

[this bit was me]
>>.... and I _was_ thinking of a very particular pair of lycra leggings 
>>when I posted that <grin>. They're...umm... *impressive*.
>
>I can feel a scan coming on of you wearing them with your Winnie the Pooh 
>T shirt. [edited to save my blushes]

Well, as I have the negatives....... ah, well, actually thats not _quite_
true.... Angi... can I have them back now.... please?

Though, having said that, the Winnie the Pooh T-shirt just isn't _loud_
enough.... I need something more like Sara's teddies.... or maybe the
Mad Car Disease T-shirt.... now _there's_ an idea... <grin>

>>The ex-SO (Ted) gave me a 'you don't _seriously_ expect me to walk around
>>with you in _public_ when you're wearing that' look. I did.
>>He suffered.
>
>I got exactly that from my mother. She says she's embarrassed to walk 
>around with me when I go colourful. Gee thanks Mom. Again, in this
>situation, they suffer, but it finally took enough guts to say "accept
>me for what I am or never see me again"... unfair? Naaah, just self
>preservation.

Well, I don't think I said _quite_ that to Ted, but the general idea
was there. My clothes are a part of me, and what I want to say about
myself. If you don't accept the clothes, then you're rejecting part
of me... and anyway, I'm _bored_ with black Levis....

>
>+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
>| "When I grow up, I want to give up being a   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
>| Journalist and learn how to write..."        |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
>+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+

.... tee hee.....



                           Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:42:06 GMT

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>Come now, surely you remember RK-06 washer machine size disk drives.
>With a little programing they could rock back and forth to assist in
>setting the mood.

Washing machines are better still, though. Especially the inviting expanses
of College facilities.

Tanaqui, recalling how Dave Berry first broke the news that his washing machine
         was *plumbed in*. Bad decision, Dave.


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 11:54:21 GMT

 angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:
>A less obvious gender difference occurred to me.  After i've been
>vaginally (mine that is) intimate with someone, I am physically aware of
>the penetration for up to 2-4 days afterwards.  I did a quick survey. 
>The women agreed.  The men hadn't heard of the lingering effects before
>and it didn't happen to them. 

You asked men who had been vaginally penetrated? Wow, where do you get these
respondents? Except that none of them had actually done it, you say...

>I got to wondering what emotional effects this could have.  I wonder if
>that explains why men (in general) find it easier to compartmentalise
>the different parts of their life than women do? If you can feel the
>physical effect of a lover days afterwards, thoughts of them are bound
>to surface more readily. 
>
>Any comments?

Funny you should ask that... |-) Hmm, the "lingering" effect is not confined to
the ol' penile-vaginal penetration. &, despite the old adage that one can't
feel inside the vagina because there are no nerves, one certainly notices
muscular "ghosting" after a good work-out. But I don't compartmentalise lovers,
even though they happen to affect more private musculature than my bike or my
four flights of stairs.

Tanaqui

"We do not call someone a duck to imply that she has a bill & paddles, or
 is good to eat"           _The Philosophy of Rhetoric_   I. A. Richards
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