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From: ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Keep - continues?
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:53:39 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Sep25.155841.9573@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
> Don't forget that before Mann slinked off to make Miami Vice, he also
> turned out an interesting adaptation of "Red Dragon" <Can't think of the
> author, perhaps Thomas Harris?> that went under the title "Manhunter"
> After the success of the related "Silence Of The Lambs", it ran on TV
> as "Manhunter: The Hunt For Hannibal Lector". Not too shabby, but of 
> course the studio dinked with it. Lots of fascinating information on
> the missing scenes and the changes can be found in the latest issue of
> Video Watchdog.

Not quite right.  MANHUNTER (1986) was made well after Mann started with
MIAMI VICE.

I like MANHUNTER too.  It is quite different to SotL, and even has
a couple of superior points (such as Lector's cell), but on the whole
SotL has the force of its acting to carry it through.  I like how Mann's
choice to have Lector played by an English actor was repeated to brilliant
effect in SotL.  Indeed, I have never heard Demme talk about MANHUNTER,
but the obvious repeat of some devices that are common to the movies but
are not from the books, such as English actors and the plastic wall on Lector's
cell, suggests some link.

Mark Kosten
(ccmk@latrobe.edu.au)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: Re: Robert McCammon
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:36:25 GMT

Actually, for a good werewolf story, try "Vyrmin" by Gene Lazutta.  I just
got done with it, and usually, werewolves are pretty boring to me, but this
story just kept me on the edge of my seat for a while.  He has a unique way
of looking at the werewolf myth.  Another cool thing was that there weren't
really clearly defined good guys and bad guys; there's the Wild, and there's
the Flock.  And the Dog is the sole protector of the Flock.

Anyway, I thought it was cool.
	--MLM
--
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/ oo \  Mike McCool 
\ .. /  mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
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 \__/   "Well, you're certainly in touch with your anger."  --Frank Drebbin
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Subject: Re: Clive Barker's Imajica
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:08:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.235011.188@cs.rochester.edu>, garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett) writes:
 > 
 > Given the current thread about the availability of Imajica in paperback,
 > I thought I'd mention that Borders (an excellent chain of large book stores)
 > has remaindered the 1st edition hardcovers of Imajica at $4.95 (which is
 > cheaper then the paperback price).  So if theres a Borders near you...
 > 
 > 
 > On another note I'm new to alt.horror is there an archive kept out there
 > of old messages?  What is everyone's general opinion of Clive Barker know
 > that he has about totally abandoned horror for fantasy (do people agree
 > with me that he has done this?)  I personally like him a great deal.
 > 
 >  -Bill
 >  
 > -- 
 > Bill Garrett			ARPA: garrett@cs.rochester.edu
 > University of Rochester		UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!garrett
 > Rochester  NY  14627		VOX:  (716) 275-5605

As for me; well, I'm not really very happy with putting things in genre booths
anyway, but my personal definition of horror is this:

-If it gives me the creeps, it is horror.

-If it doesn't give me the creeps, it isn't horror, no matter how many monsters
 (and other elements that *should* be scary) it contains.

I've finally managed to read every single Barker novel in print up to and
including Imajica (is there a new one coming soon?), and they all give me the
creeps.  By that definition, he's still writing horror novels.  Sure, they may
not be 'classical' or 'traditional' horror, but horror they are nonetheless.

Leif the .sigless
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Deadworld/Horror comics
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:06:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> I have never read any of the "Deadworld" comics, but I am very into
> the EC stuff. I have been ordering from this publisher who sells all
> the horror, sci-fi, suspense, war, and Mad books you could ever want
> (also in reprint form in some cases). They are great! I'll have to
> check out "Twisted Tales" if I can find it! See you later!

Are you talking about Russ Cochran?  I have his compete set of hardcover
TALES FROM THE CRYPT.  Great stuff, I'm hoping to sometime get the other
horror collections.

TWISTED TALES is no longer running, you'll have to dig through the back
issue stacks for that one.

Have you read any of the Warren magazines?  Meaning CREEPY, EERIE, and
VAMPIRELLA?  These are defunct, though a new publisher is trying to revive
them (rather poorly, IMO).  Before they began putting out their own
renditions of the comics, they printed up softcover collections of some
of the best stories from the early runs of the original magazines.  I have
the CREEPY trade paperback, and it's full of good stuff, though some of
the stories are VERY blatant rip-offs or reworks from EC stories.
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:48:07 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.

In article <+PGKr*+v0@luser.UUCP>, mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep27.155010.26701@rchland.ibm.com>, Jared Dahl writes:
|> 
|> >
|> > Why accept a lesser evil?
|> > CTHULHU for President 1992!
|> > 
|> 
|> I have *GOT* to have one of these!!!
|> 

-- 
I've got this shirt--it's awesome.  I got it from Chaosium at Pacificon this last
Labor Day Weekend for a reasonable price.  I've gotten lots of compliments on it.
(I've also got the Cthulhu for President poster up on my wall at work.  Stimulates
good political conversations :-)
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

"Boy, you just pass me some of that thar Space Mead,
	and ahhhhl drink it!"

		Jake Barlow,
		Bounty Hunter and Cthulhoid Investigator

Standard disclaimer applies...
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheila Rani Gurtu)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: New Movies (Friday the 13th, Anne Rice, Stephen King)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Anne Rice is working on a script of a remake of Bride of
 > Frankenstein.  She may write a novel also.  The Witching Hour is to
 > be directed by Richard Donner.

What?  First they butcher this concept with THE BRIDE (you remember -- the
one with Sting?).... and now they want to have Anne Rice make a version of
it?  I dunno about you, but I don't think anyone really ever intended the
Bride of Frankenstein story as an ABC miniseries-of-the-week...

From: evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:13:15 GMT
Subject: Name this movie
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: alt.horror

I saw this movie in the theaters in the mid to late '70s, I think.
I remember expecting it to be pure trash, but actually thought it
was pretty good, given that it had vitrually no plot.

The movie opens with the police investigating the death of an old
man. The room in which he died was in a rather bizarre state:
forks and knives stuck into the ceiling and various other articles
strewn about.

The rest of the movie takes place in a mausoleum and centers around a
girl being initiated by a sorority. The old geezer has just been buried
in one of the vaults.  He had apparently been a warlock or wizard in life 
and his corpse still has tremendous power. He levitates corpses and torments 
the girl and her friends. The corpses are not zombies, but are more like 
putrid mannequins being dragged through the mausoleum. There is also a lot 
of pink light emanating from his vault while all of this is going on.

Anybody remember this one? What is it?

Evan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
evan@scd.hp.com         {  Do not simplify the design of a  program
                        {  if a way can be found to make it complex
                        {  and wonderful.                 - Fortune
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:26:28 GMT

In article <20917@plains.NoDak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
|> >|> >It's always fun to listening to the sceptics saying "this can't be 
|> >|> >happening" before dying.:)
|> 
|> Heh... forget alt.magick, I invite this guy to visit sci.skeptic and try out
|> these lines.
|> 
|> >Remember, the nature of a conspiracy is such that it is hidden from view.
|> 
|> Remember, the nature of a conspiracy is such that the more proof you have
|> that it is too large, the less likely it is that your proof means anything
|> anymore.

You can't argue with sceptics because they have *faith* that they KNOW how
the universe works. Surely this *faith* is as bad as the >>faith<< that
plagues christians. Ironically sceptics and christians generally sit on
opposite sides of the fence.

Physics has NEVER claimed to be TRUTH. It can only *model* what we observe.
These models, no matter how well accepted, contain no fundamental truths or
answers. Physics does not explain what anything *is*. So, where do sceptics 
obtain this certainty about what can be and what can't be? Faith that physics 
is correct perhaps? Physics certainly provides us with good models, but isn't
it a bit presumptuous to state that there can be no more. Just because
scientists have never observed it *yet*, doesn't mean they will *never*
observe it.

Why not just reserve judgement until such time that you have an appropriate
experience, rather than presume otherwise. Scepticism can only be more 
harmfull to you, especially if there is an alternative cure for cancer.

I'm not espousing gullibility, just an open mind. There can be a difference.


Mark.



Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: cvanous@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Vanous)
Subject: Re: Wanted:Complete list of Stephen King novels etc.
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:51:58 GMT

In article <6912@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.121445.5433W@skylark.edb.tih.no> stigh@edb.tih.no writes:
>>Howdy folks!
>>I'm a great King fan, but it is hard to get a complete list in 
>>norway.. (Actually it is pretty hard to get King novels at all..)
>>To know if my collection is complete, I need a list...
>>Thanx in advance folks...
>
>Screenplays:"Cat's Eye", "Creepshow", "Silver Bullet" (and as usual there may
>be others, but I am doing this with no list in front of me).
>
And don't forget the excellent movie _Sleepwalkers_!  

- The Cypherkat
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Shadows of Cthuhlu./conspiracy theory
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:23:03 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland

Has anybody read the Finn story in 2000AD. It is great, complete with
earth magick, Deep ones and shining ones. It has conspiracys too.
The society of Free Mariners (they have a great secret handshake).

Its a great read and has great artwork too. Both serious and funny.
Ahh the Free Mariners really spin me out!

And for conspiracy theory, the *best* book is Umberto Ecos 
"Fucoults Pendulum" (spelling?). A truly FAB ending.

Mark.
From: rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The Post Man!!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:34:39 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


   I was talking w/ a friend over the weekend about books that we injoyed 
   reading, and I mentioned The Stand, and she said that she loved it, and
   also enjoyed "The Post Man", the author had escaped her mind, but she
   said, that it dealed along the end of the world bases like King's book.

   I was wondering if anybody had anymore information, on this book???

   -[Russ.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 19:55:14 -0400 
From: "Francis J. Yenca" <fy03+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Chilly Billy
	<6903@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

Laurel writes:


>Oh, yes! I live right here in Pittsburgh and that newscast scene was some
>spooky stuff (at least the first time around)! I kept looking out my windows
>for zombies...
>		Laurel

What did you do when you saw them?

Frank
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Imajica: ok, it's in paperback anyone read it?
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:52:19 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <Bv62s7.7v0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes:
> kjetilja@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Jacobsen) writes:
>>In article <BuxyGv.JDu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes:
>>>Anybody care to post a plotline or opinions or something? I got about 
>>>half-way through then got bored when Pie and whatshisface were in the 
>>>beginning of their journey and never finished it. I'd like to know what
>>>happens after that....
>>>Elizabeth Ruby
>>>
>>Read the rest of the book...
>>-Kjetil...
> 
> Did you forget your smilies this morning or were you just trying to be a jerk?
> (If you meant to be funny then disregard the jerk part)
> 
> escr

I don't think that Kjetil was trying to be funny *or* be a jerk (forgive 
me, Kjetil, if I'm putting words in your mouth).  The thing is, Elizabeth, 
to try and plot out Imajica at the place you left off is well, a littl 
preposterous.  Mostly because the book is soooo involved and intricate that 
it's nearly impossible to recall all of the most relevant details in any 
sort of coherant order.  I've decided that Imajica either turns people off 
so much that they end up not finishing it (my husband quit reading the book 
at about the same place you did) or they really love it and fly through it 
(my response).  I might suggest that if you put the book down in the 
middle, the rest of the plot probably isn't going to interest you very much 
anyway.

Andrea @ BVC
>
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Cthuhlu ?
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:04:49 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.

In article <sprooney.717801059@unix1.tcd.ie>, sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes:
|> 
|> >YES!!! Yoggy Rules!!!
|> Well, if you think about it he has for ages.
|> 
|> >Or Hastur the Unspeakable, King in Yellow...
|> Well... when's the funeral? I'm interested to see what exactly
|> happened when you said Hastu

-- 
Oh, I didn't tell you what happened?  Well, I was hanging out with my Tcho-Tcho buddy,
Chakkah, when we started arguing about whether "He Who Is Not To Be Named" actually did
have a name.  As Chakkah started yelling that Hastur is "unspeakable" and not "unnamable",
flailing tentacles ripped through the fabric of the space-time continuum and sucked
poor Chakkah into the perilous void of inter-planar space with one big sucker
stuck to his little Tcho-Tcho tupee.  A deep voice then rumbled through the rift like a
rocky avalanche, saying "I HATE EXIT POLLS.  YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW I WAS WINNING THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL SAY MY NAME."  The rift closed up and there I 
stood gawking at where Chakkah and the LazyBoy chair used to be.  I'm still not sure
what all this means, but he must not mind it if people simply write down his name,
because otherwise he would never win the election as a write-in candidate.

Good Nightmares,

Maria
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

"Boy, I don't know what that thar Space Mead is,
	but ahhhhl drink it!"

		Jake Barlow,
		Bounty Hunter and Cthulhoid Investigator

Standard disclaimer applies...
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Peter Straub
Keywords: none
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.222557.23335@kpc.com> lewis@kpc.com (Bob Lewis) writes:
>I picked up a few Peter Straub books at a used book sale, Shadowland
>and Koko.  How come I never hear about this guy on this newsgroup ?
>
>Any opinions out there on these two books or any others he has written ?

First of all, Straub has been around a long time but doesn't have that
many book out there.  I can only think of 9 or 10 novels off the top of my
head.  They are:
   
   Marriages?
   If You Could See Me Now
   Julia
   Shadowland
   Ghosts
   Floating Dragon
   Koko
   Mystery
   The Talisman (With Steven King)
   and another whose name escapes me at the moment.  It was re-published
with IYCSMN and Julia in a trilogy called Wild Beasts?

   I believe he has some kind of poetry thing, but I'm not real sure now.

   Plus _Houses without Doors_  That one is an interesting book of short
stories, and came out in paperback about 6 months-1 year ago.  It has
short stories with short short short stories (about a couple page long)
in between the longer ones.

I would recommend Shadowland, Ghosts, Floating Dragon, Koko and Mystery. 
The earlier ones bored me to tears.  What I don't like about him is how
his novels are so complex.  I can read 1/2 to 2/3 of a book and barely
understand what is going on.  I read for relaxation, not to think real
hard.  The thing I like about him, is once I get past a certain point
where everything starts falling in place, I can't put it down.

My personel favorites are Ghosts and Floating Dragon.  I read them so long
ago, I can just say that they were great stories.  Also The Talisman, but
I don't count that since it is SO different from what I'm used to from
him.  Koko is kind of a horror-Viet Nam type of thing.  6 old war buddies
get back together to catch a killer (one of them.)  Mystery is just what
it sounds like.  Kind of a mystery with very little horror IMHO.

That's all for now.  Any other comments?  I like to see someone different
here once in a while.  We seem to have temporarily gotten away from
King/Koontz.  What do ya'll think of Straub?

-- 
=============================================================================
Mark Harrison           |  "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
              -- Me     |                                    -- Rush
From: quark@asylum.UUCP (I think I know you.)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Bob Wilkans      <Was: Chilly Billy>
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:01:05 GMT

differently than I did - most people spell differintly than I do...)
He was the old host of KTVU's Creature Features.  He was this little guy
with a cigar.  I saw him at a convention *many* years ago and I was taller
than him.  A good trick since I was still in grade school.  I always wanted
his set, the standard Too-Gothic-To-Believe horror show host's abode.  I
know that he went on to become Captain Cosmic or some such, a host for
-- 

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Xref: sparky alt.horror:4277 rec.arts.books:17548
From: cs177wbd@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.books
Subject: Stephen King/Robert Fulgham/etc concert tape available soon
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:35:49 GMT
Followup-To: poster


This is from a friend of mine, Shaun Stuart (XSSTUART@FULLERTON.EDU):

I was looking through the BMG Video catalog for 1992-93. It lists the 
RBR tape. 

Rock Bottom Remainders BMG/V catalog #80010-3, list price of $16.98,
45 minutes, UPC Code # 72333-80010-3

Here's the desc:

Street Date Sept. 29, 1992 (obviously it's been delayed a bit)

It all happened on May 25, 1992 at a place called Cowboy Boogie. Live on
stage, for the first time ever, The Rock Bottom Remainders made their 
debut. They were writers by day and rock stars for a night. They jammed to
"Da Doo Ron Ron," "Double Shot Of My Baby's Love," and many more rock &
roll classics. As a bonus, this video includes a spoken word version of
"Louie Louie." Not even this bunch of rock and rolling, best selling 
authors could find the words to describe their performance - a video had
to be made. Fans of Stephen King, Dave Barry, Amy Tan, Robert Fulghum 
(and more) are going to want to see and hear for themselves.




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From: mcspikgfm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Vampires & Mailing list,any info???.
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:46:00 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



	Can anyone out there tell me where I might get information on the
Vampire Mailing list or any information on vamps. I've heard about Alt.Vampire
but I dont get it so I cant read it. Anyone who has anything can E-mail it to
me. I hope I'll have enough room to take it....I should. 

	To those people that have been saying that there is a wave of hysteria
over vampires at the moment....I amn't affected by this...because I have liked
them for over 15 years but I just havent had this opportunity to get
information on all manner of these lovely creatures. Vampire R.P.G. has some
very interesting ideas on them.

	I especially liked Graveyard Shift with Vlad Tepes popping up as a Taxi
Driver, although there have been a large number of wonderful films on these
denizens of the dark in the last decade. I still havent seen The lost boys and
Near Dark......am I missing anything???????Are the new crop of movies any
good....people in America might know better than me in the heart of Scotland!
	
	So.......anyone wish to make any comments on vampires...please do so as
I will be reading on with interest.


							Melandra Flametree.