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From: br326@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Raphael Pungin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,comp.music
Subject: Cakewalk for Windows demo?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 01:16:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: br326@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Raphael Pungin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anybody know if there is a demo version of Cakewalk for Windows
available at an FTP site?

Thanks,
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon, I3.KI 2665)
Subject: Re: E-Mu vintage keys Proteus module
Reply-To: thomas@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:41:43 GMT

In article 10086@ryn.mro4.dec.com, rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
> 
> Am I the only one wondering why the hell E-mu just didn't go with ROM cards or
> plug-in boards or *something* rather than making you buy four modules!!!!
 
I don't see how they are "making you" part with your money, but if enough
of us are willing to do so, then I guess E-mu made a smart choice.  I do 
believe they are a business, not a charity.

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5205 Sankt Augustin 1 / Germany
email: thomas.gordon@gmd.de;  phone: (+49 2241) 14-2665

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: K2000 with WX-7
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:51:15 GMT

In article <MJKOBB.93Jan4123140@media-lab.media.mit.edu> mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) writes:
>Greetings!
>
>  Anybody out there used a K-2000 with the Yamaha WX-7 wind
>controller?  I seem to remember that the K1200 was one of the few
>modules with enough flexibility to do a good job with this beastie,
>and since I've sold my DX-7, I'd like my next synth to be able to
>use it.
>
>Thanks,
>--Mike

It's only second-hand information, but...

I was talking to Matt Traum last week, who programs wind patches for 
various synths (and sells them as "Patchman Music").  He had just 
taken delivery on a K2000R.  Based on looking at specs but no hands-on 
experience, he thought it was going to be a great box for wind controllers.
He told me that it offers a great deal of flexibility with respect to things
like portamento and uni/legato.

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NASA Lewis Research Center     
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From: lewis@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: WANTED:ROLAND MT-32 AND MPU-401
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:43:11 GMT
Reply-To: lewis@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Lewis)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

The subject says it:

I'm looking to buy a used MT-32 and MPU-401 card from Roland.

Please send all offers and information to:

lewis@oasys.dt.navy.mil

I will respond to all

Thanks,
Bill
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:1160 ne.forsale:5763
From: starr@dpe.enet.dec.com (Alan Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.makers.synth,ne.forsale
Subject: Tascam 424, Alesis HR16 for sale
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: starr@dpe.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


This note is being posted for a friend of mine. Please contact him directly
for fastest responses (although if you send them to me, I will forward them
along).

Tascam 424 4-track cassette recorder. Most popular selling 4-track in the
U.S. over the past year, and for good reason - it's a great little machine!
Three speeds (low, normal, high), dbx noise reduction, lotsa other features.
$350 plus shipping.

Alesis HR-16. $150 plus half of shipping.

Both units are in great shape!

Contact: 
Tom Gallo
gallo@ahlem.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corp.
603-881-1864 work
508-454-7717 home
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,misc.forsale
From: gaubfb@sun330 (Brian Bishop)
Subject: Re: SALE!Mackie1202,CM-32L,rackstand,MPU-IMC
Organization: Fannie Mae
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:05:59 GMT

Michael R. Kesti (mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com) wrote:
: In article <Fvb=Pt@engin.umich.edu>
:   malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin) writes:
: 
: >$300 seems a bit high for a used 1202.
: >I picked one up new in October for $325.
: 
: Someday, even engineering schools will require their students to learn enough
: economics to know that the market value of an item has little to nothing to
: do with what someone once bought one for, and everything to do with what the
: market will bring.  

  Yes well, some day business schools will also require their students to learn 
enough about fashion to quit wearing bow-ties and suspenders, but until then we
will both have to wait  ;-)

  Certainly you should have no objection to people posting messages like his. 
After all, consumers who are well-educated as to the current (new) market
value help ensure that prices for (new and used) equipment remain reasonable 
and fair for both buyers and sellers, correct? 

: The Mackie 1202 mixer is a relatively new breakthrough
: product that is currently in high demand.  This means that, if the unit for
: sale is still in very good to excellent condition, the seller has every reason
: to expect that he can find a buyer willing to pay this relatively low discount
: from its original sale price.

  If you say so. I personally would spend the extra $25 for the (relative) 
security of a new piece of gear and a dealer to work through for problems.
Your milage may vary, of course. 

  Of course you could always buy the used 1202 and apply the $25 towards a
business course at the local community college, if you find the free ones 
provided here on Usenet lacking....

: 
: >Great mixer, BTW
: 
: Exactly.

  Love mine ;-) I just wish it was 12x4....


--

    Brian Bishop ... gaubfb@fnma.com <=- (work) OR (play) -=> brian@grebyn.com

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  Right between your earlobes, darling, that's where culture grows." - T. Dolby
From: arpraym@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: PC .MID files to Performer??
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:51:15 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I
I have a set of PC .MID files, (sequences), that I would like to translate
over to Performer which I have running on the Mac. Is this possible? If so,
how?

One of the problems might be the version of Performer. I have 2.4 
running on my LC, and have never upgraded it. I notice that 2.4
has an option to save files as MIDI format, but not to open
them. I don't know if this is the problem or not.

I am assuming that the .MID files are standard MIDI file format.
I got them from my brother, and he said they were, so I must 
believe that this is the case.

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

I have tried simply copying the files over to
the Mac via Apple File Exchange and SoftPC. These seem to
be inadequate approaches to the problem. Performer will not recognize the
files that are translated.

Thansk again for any help,

Ray MacNeil
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: stevela@csulb.edu (Steve La)
Subject: Wanted: Roland JV-30 keyboard
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:03:21 GMT

I am looking for a Roland JV-30 MIDI keyboard.  Please let me know if you have
one for sale.

Thanks,
-Steve
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Subject: Re: For Sale: FZ-1
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:36:26 GMT

Does the FZ-1 use the 2Mb floppies that are still kind of expensive,
or does it use the more 'standard' DD or HD ?

I thought my friend's FZ (10, 20??) uses the 2Mb ones...

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: zonnevel@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (B.J.Zonneveld.tel-015-622622)
Subject: Cubase for MS-Windows available yet?
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:08:19 GMT

I was wondering if Cubase was available for Microsoft Windows yet?
I saw an anouncement for a demo of this goodie somewhere.

If it's available which version is it?

Thanx, Bart
From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Mac Cubase vs. Performer, anyone?
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST

The sales people at Sam Ash Music, NYC, say that the Cubase Sequencer is
a better product than Performer, primarily because it is more
feature-rich.

Can anyone out there comment on this?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: E-Mu vintage keys Proteus module
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 JAN 93 15:34:48    


In article <76458@apple.apple.COM>, bing@Apple.COM (Christopher R. Bingham) writes...
>I called E-Mu today about this module.  The woman told me that it was
>shipped to European dealers last month and is shipping to U.S. dealers
>this month.  She expects it to be at U.S. dealers in about 2 weeks.
>List price is $1095.

Am I the only one wondering why the hell E-mu just didn't go with ROM cards or
plug-in boards or *something* rather than making you buy four modules!!!!

$%#@$%^&*&^

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Wanted: Roland U220
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:52:32 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Dept. of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: plemmons.mth.msu.edu


If anyone has a Roland U220 they would like to sell, please e-mail me.

Steve


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From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timmer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: KS-32/SQ-x
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:24:44 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

>|>I've had my KS-32 for about three months now, and I'm pretty happy with it
>|>Perfect it's not; the keyboard feels good, the acoustic piano is very good,
>|>and many of the other sounds are great as well. The electric pianos let the
>|>instrument down badly.

(This is on an SQ-R+, but same beast...) I tend to use those
digital
piano waves as attack transients, if at all, and use the synth or
Trans-waves for the body of the sound.  I usually get "analog
Rhodes" type sounds, which ain't bad.  Ah well, maybe I'll
rack-mount the ol' FB-01.  Nothing does Rhodes quite like FM.


>3) the effects processor also puts there some noise sometimes.
>  [...]
>  I repeat, the source is the effect processor.  Dry sounds are
>  absolutely clean (except  for those with the syndrome in 2).

Yes, mine's a noisy little beast.  Even without major effects, the
floor seems very high.


|>It's not a hard instrument to program soundwise, but
|>I haven't gotten very far with the sequencer. When I retire I'm going to
|>build ships in bottles - all these years of programming through a 2x16 LCD
|>interface have got to be good for something!

>I gave up.  I won't attempt to program it without a computer and
>a sound editor which knows the SQ architecture. Any software
>recommendation?

I've been looking a year and a half for an SQ editor.  Terrible
irony--there is all kinds of support for the SQ-80 (of course, it's
been around a lot longer), but who needs it?  The user interface is
a joy.  I suppose third parties are understandably afraid to throw
their resources into something until it demonstrates some longevity.

-Tim Kaufman
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Need synth recommendations
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:11:49 GMT

Hello net !

I'm in the market for a synthesizer, and there are just too many
choices.

So, I have a few questions.

I'll be using this in a home studio 99% of the time, making songs
with a TASCAM 688, acoustic and electric guitars, vocals. If necessary,
I'll use my 386 for sequencing.

Essentially, I need a synth, drum machine, sequencer. If they could all
be in one device, that might be ideal.

I was in a store the other day, and looked at Korg M1, Kurzweil K2000,
Korg O1. I could probably go to about $2500 for synth/drum machine
together.

All these keyboards seem pretty cool, but which to buy?

? - are the sequencers in 'workstation' models truly useful
? - do the sequencers in workstations support using MIDI song pointer
? - are the drum machines in workstations 	

So, netters, what are your thoughts on how to spend $2500 for
a synth, drum machine, sequencer?

Another question? Anybody out there care to explain how synths
use both PCM and synthesis, as in Kurzweil?

As you can see, lots of questions, and more floating around my head.
Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

Robert

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Robert Fries
Ungermann-Bass Inc.

DISCLAIMER:
    Opinions contained herein are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of Ungermann-Bass.
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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: PC .MID files to Performer??
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:24:33 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1993Jan5.095116.9879@ac.dal.ca> (rec.music.makers.synth), arpraym@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> I
> I have a set of PC .MID files, (sequences), that I would like to translate
> over to Performer which I have running on the Mac. Is this possible? If so,
> how?

I don't know about PC .MID files but if they are in standard Midi
file format than Performer can read them.
> 
> One of the problems might be the version of Performer. I have 2.4 
> running on my LC, and have never upgraded it. I notice that 2.4
> has an option to save files as MIDI format, but not to open
> them. I don't know if this is the problem or not.

You have to get something like the MIDItypecaster or whatever it's
called to change the file type on the Mac to that Performer knows
it's a MIDI file.
> 
> I am assuming that the .MID files are standard MIDI file format.
> I got them from my brother, and he said they were, so I must 
> believe that this is the case.

I think the problem is the file type needs to be changes on the Mac.
> 
> Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> I have tried simply copying the files over to
> the Mac via Apple File Exchange and SoftPC. These seem to
> be inadequate approaches to the problem. Performer will not recognize the
> files that are translated.

If you are coming from the DOS or UNIX world the concept that files
on the Mac are not just files is a rude awaking.  If you have access
to ResEdit you should be able to change the file type but I would
hunt for a program to do this for you rather than fool with ResEdit
IMHO.

If standard MIDI files are not an option you could connect both of
the sequencers together and slave them to the same sync (i.e.,MTC,
SMPTE) and record the sequencer into Performer.  I do this with the
Roland R8 drum machine since I am not used to programming sequences
on drum machines.

Hope this helps!

David
david@roth-music.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Re: Mac Cubase vs. Performer, anyone?
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:03:26

In article <C0Ep1s.6x6@unix.amherst.edu> ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
>Nick Rothwell (cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> Feature-richness has nothing to do with how good it is.
>
>One would hope this statement is meant to be confined to the world of
>sequencers only.

  Hardly. Ever heard of "creeping featurism"?

>After all, let's not be ridiculous: a synth with high- and
>lowpass filters is better than a synth with lowpass filters only--to take a
>simple example--*precisely* because it has more features.

  There are features, and then there are features. The latter are
often called "bells and whistles"; stuff that is potentially usable
(not necessarily even that, though) but since there's so much of it
the really usable stuff is hidden behind it. Who needs seven menus to
wade through to get to that one parameter that needs tweaking?

  Remember folks, it's the quality that counts, not the quantity.

>Enough soapboxing.

  Amen. And back to the matter indicated by the subject: I really have
no opinion, because I use Vision. I might prefer another sequencer (I
doubt it) if I was familiar with others, but Vision has so far
been able to comply with my sequencing needs 100%, so I haven't felt I
even need to know about other products of the genre. Vision has lots
of features, but the overall design is so that the important stuff
isn't hidden. As a matter of fact, it's the best Mac program I've
used. But, your mileage may vary. And if you are familiar with a
program and know its assets and limitations, no other program will be
better or even as good as the one you have except after a lot of
learning.

>LAiRD
--
      Ola Rinta-Koski   ola@vipunen.hut.fi 
    "Americans pay less for gear, electronic goods, CD's, clothes, etc.
     than the rest of us because it is their legal right as free citizens.
     It's somewhere in the Constitution."  -- Nick Rothwell

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: brad@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Rogers x5122)
Subject: Yamaha SY-85 synth
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:30:41 GMT

i'm new to these news groups and am just getting back into electronic 
keyboards.  I've just rented the Yamaha SY-85 which I'm told is a new board. (3 months or so).I would like to know if anyone knows anything about it (good or
bad) which can help me decide if this is a good synth to start out with again.
I was looking at the M-1 but I was told that this is a better board since it
has an on board disk drive and a larger sequencer.  Another question is can
i get the drum machine (built in) playing while I'm playing a voice patch.
Right now I can either play the drum patterns or voice patches but no
the two together.  It must be similar to an M-1 using the sequencer to play the drum patterns while playing a voice patch at the same time. If anyone can offer any other new keyboards which are comparable ($2000 price range) please do.


thanks
From: krste@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Krste Asanovic)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Mac Cubase vs. Performer, anyone?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:08:57 GMT
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: icsib43.icsi.berkeley.edu

In article <C0Ep1s.6x6@unix.amherst.edu>, ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
|> Nick Rothwell (cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk) wrote:
|> > Feature-richness has nothing to do with how good it is.
|> One would hope this statement is meant to be confined to the world of
|> sequencers only.  After all, let's not be ridiculous: a synth with high- and
|> lowpass filters is better than a synth with lowpass filters only--to take a
|> simple example--*precisely* because it has more features.

Not if the lowpass filters in the latter synth are better quality (say
if they're 24dB/octave rather than 12dB/octave, or if they have better
choice in resonance settings).  Lowpass filters are used much more
often in analog synthesis.

More generally, the point is that with a given cost (and ingenuity of
designer) you are limited in what you can do. Doing a few things very
well is often better than doing many things poorly.

Krste Asanovic,                   Computer Science Division, 
email: krste@cs.berkeley.edu      c/o 571 Evans Hall
phone: +1 (510) 642-4274 ext 143  University of California at Berkeley
fax:   +1 (510) 643-7684          CA 94720, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: marten@cs.kun.nl (Marten van Hulst)
Subject: ST dump utility wanted
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:38:07 GMT

Hi there,

The Steinberg Satellite utility for SYSEX dumps works fine
for smaller files. However, when files become bigger, as in
the case of my Wavestation, the maximum buffer size is
too small. Does someone know of another dump utility, capable
of handling larger files (no-I don't mean the synthworks editor)?

Help is greatly appreciated,

Marten
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Re: For Sale: FZ-1
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:09:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.232820.29990@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (electronically induced relaxation via  
sound [Todd Sines]) writes:
|pardon me, but where in the hell did you find a casio FZ-1 for $3-400? i  
called
|daddy's junky music and they said $799.
|
|also, does a casio FZ-1 have anything like a time varient filter? it  
would be  
|nice.

I think someone has confused the FZ-1 with the VZ-1 synths that were being  
closed out at $300-400...a place in Wisconsin that advertises Casio stuff  
in the first few Keyboard Classifieds will sell them reconditioned at  
about $900 and buy them used in good shape for about $500-$600.  I sold  
mine to someone in town via the net for $600 after some other deals fell  
through, although I think I could have made a bit more if I waited  
longer...

Phil

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