HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grove@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Eddie Grove)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: imp pairs slam bidding
Date: 14 Sep 1992 18:39:33 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Those of you who like bidding problems might want to bid the 
hands before reading the posting.  Dealer first, responder
second, Both VUL, split by ^L's.

Dealer

Q986      
AKQ6      
JT5       
A9        

Responder

T
J72
AK763
KT63


I was playing at the local regional, and had played only one
session previously with this particular partner.  Using weak (12-14) NT.

Dealer South, Both VUL

South     North
Q986      T
AKQ6      J72
JT5       AK763
A9        KT63

Our auction was
1D        3S * 
4C        5C
6D

* - 3C would be a balanced forcing raise, 3D a limit raise, and 3S is 
a game forcing raise with at most one spade and denies a 4 card heart suit.  


Give North the DQ, i.e. x,Jxx,AKQxx,Kxxx, and we want to be in 6D.  
As it was, we would have been much happier somewhere else.  If North  
holds the CQ, the slam is not dreadful.

I was South and received a low trump lead.  I am interested in what the 
best line is, but the main point of the posting is to ask the difference 
between 4D, 5C, and 5D by North on the second round, and which is most 
appropriate on the particular North cards.

Comments about the other bids are also welcome.

Eddie Grove
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From: hamilton@robin.rtp.dg.com (Eric Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Least of evils
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:39:01 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: Your guess is as good as mine.

In article <1992Sep8.92329.13024@ms.uky.edu>, jhaywood@ms.uky.edu (Joel D Haywood) writes:
|> Favorable at pairs, you have
|> 
|> xxx xxx xxx AKQx.
|> 
|> The auction has gone
|> 
|> You   LHO   Part   RHO
|> Pass  Pass  1C     1H
|> 
|> What is your call?
|> You are playing negative doubles and are not playing inverted minors in
|> competition.

Three clubs with a reliable partner who likes to open suits and not slop
in third seat, and/or if the opponents aren't reliable doublers.

Two clubs otherwise.
Strikes me as a "What's the problem?" problem.
|> 
|> BTW, I am thinking of sending this to The Bridge World for consideration in
|> the Master Solvers' Club.  I would appreciate opinions concerning the
|> appropriateness of this problem.  (The MSC consists of a panel which will
|> answer the question above and discuss it in print.)  Since this problem does
|> have at least four possible answers, I thought it would be okay at least to
|> send.  What do you all think?
|>
Well, Bridge World says that problems submitted by readers are "always
appreciated".  The MSC directors can generally find their wastebaskets without
any help from the net.  So send it in - you probably have wasted a twenty-nine
cent stamp....
So what?  In fact, you can invest a second twenty-nine cents for a SASE, and
even get an answer from the editors.

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From: ted@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: You pays your money ...
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:13:11 GMT

avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira) writes:

>varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>: Both vul, second seat, IMPs, what do you open with
>: S:Kx H:x D:QJ C:AKQJxxxx?
>:
>As usual, when Don posts a problem, you can bet it is going to be a toughy
>Frankly I don't know how to bid this hand is SA. in Blue Team Club, this is
>easy. you open 3C, which describes a solid club suit, and an outside stopper.
>I am playing a version of multi 2D which includes a strong minor suit hand.
>This is a good one for it (we require a hand with 8 playing tricks).

>If you are playing Walsh, you know that partener is unlikely to hold a 4 card
>spade suit. In this case, I think that I would open 1C, and bid 2S over 1D.
>If I play 1C-1D-1S as forcing (which makes sense playing Walsh) then I'd bid
>1S. This may work, and then again it may not.

	Yup.  I play Walsh quite frequently.  The only problem is that I
	Expect to end up in some number of clubs from my side.  Hence, I
	will bid 1C and rebid 1H or 1S over 1D.  This may induce a 
	fortuitous spade lead into my K.  1 of either major implies an
	unbalance hand, and tends to be forcing, but it shows less in
	values than a jump shift.  1C-1D-1M, I usually play up to a bad
	distributional 16 count, and I really think this is better than
	that.  I'd probably rebid 2H over 1D (playing Walsh).
	
	Playing SA, I'm not sure, but I would probably open 1C and rebid
	5C over 1D to show a hand with a long solid club suit and better
	than an opening preempt.

	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
From: olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Law problem
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:49:04 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1992Sep7.063205.456@nntp.hut.fi>, m36150p@kaira.hut.fi (Janne Veikko Petteri Kallunki) writes: 
|>           T842
|>           T
|>           KQ6543
|>           T5
|> 
|> J763               K95
|> QJ6432             95
|> (void)             A872
|> K63                J942
|> 
|>            AQ
|>            AKT8
|>            JT9
|>            AQ87
|> 
|> N     E     S     W
|> 1S(1) pass  1NT(2)pass
|> 2C(3) pass  2NT(4)pass
|> 3D(5) pass  3H(6) pass
|> 3S(7) pass  3NT   pass
|> pass  pass
|> 
|> After bidding opponents asked about our bids, and we told:
|> 
|> (1) 0-11 points, free hand
|> (2) 15+ points, free hand
|> (3) 0-7 points, free hand
|> (4) no five card suits
|> (5) my partner alerted this bid, and told that it is transfer to hearts
|> (6) that bid I didn't alert
|> (7) Partner told that I have 4-5 in majors

So your partner thought you had 4-5 in the majors and then he wanted to
play 3NT with AKT8 in hearts and a wide-open diamond suit ?!?
Come on now...
 
|> I thought that I have no right to tell that my partner told my bids
|> wrong but my partner told opponents that perhaps my bids was not these
|> what he thought.

If your partner has explained your bids according to your system, then
you don't have to correct him, otherwise you're obliged to tell your
opponents before the lead (if you're on the declaring side).

|> West lead C3 and saw the board. Then he asked the tournament director
|> to see the situation. He claimed that he wanted to lead hearts.

He can't change the lead, but the score may be corrected.

|> They have not yet given decision but I think it's not good
|> for us.

They will, I hope, give some kind reprimand, this is not very ethical
conduct by your pair.

*** Olle ***
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From: m36150p@kaira.hut.fi (Janne Veikko Petteri Kallunki)
Subject: Law problem
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:32:05 GMT

This was one deal from last friday Helsinki League 2nd division
match.

N/EW (IMP):

          T842
          T
          KQ6543
          T5

J763               K95
QJ6432             95
(void)             A872
K63                J942

           AQ
           AKT8
           JT9
           AQ87

N     E     S     W
1S(1) pass  1NT(2)pass
2C(3) pass  2NT(4)pass
3D(5) pass  3H(6) pass
3S(7) pass  3NT   pass
pass  pass

After bidding opponents asked about our bids, and we told:

(1) 0-11 points, free hand
(2) 15+ points, free hand
(3) 0-7 points, free hand
(4) no five card suits
(5) my partner alerted this bid, and told that it is transfer to hearts
(6) that bid I didn't alert
(7) Partner told that I have 4-5 in majors

I thought that I have no right to tell that my partner told my bids
wrong but my partner told opponents that perhaps my bids was not these
what he thought.

West lead C3 and saw the board. Then he asked the tournament director
to see the situation. He claimed that he wanted to lead hearts.

After that game continued and defense made two mistakes and my partner
took ten tricks. 

After deal opponents asked the director what he decide.
(in other board it was 3D 9 tricks)

The tournament director said that it's 3NT 10 tricks.
After that opponents made a protest to the Law Committee of 
Finnish Bridge League.

They have not yet given decision but I think it's not good
for us.

-----
Janne 'Jake' Kallunki m36150p@kaira.hut.fi jkallunk@otax.hut.fi
p. home 4553831, work 1545182
"One-Two-Three-Four"
	-Dee-Dee Ramone
From: Professor WHO?
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: About Merry-Go-Rounds....
Summary: I hang my head in shame....  [WAS Re: A curious question.]
Keywords: ethics, laws, system, timing, agreements, ACBL
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:19:13 GMT
Reply-To: maboyiny@ccvax.as.edu.tw (Dr. Weird)
Organization: Ayatollah's Correct Bidding Lessons
Originator: boyiny@kovalevskaya
X-Subliminal-Message: You can stop using a strong club any time.

[Steve Altus to Andrew Taddiken]
>> [About "Merry-go-round" and who decides to play what when...]
>legend has it that the so-called "Merry-Go-Round Rule" applies here, and
>that Bo-Yin once collected 1100 in committee when someone who normally 
>opens Bergen-esque weak twos failed to against him, apparently because he
>knew Bo-Yin played optional direct doubles and the either-or double in
>balancing.  
> 
>Bo-Yin, care to elaborate?

Okay, okay, here I am.

The gist of the case was this: someone, who was not a popular player, plays
Kamikaze weak two's and did not open against me.  He waqs also stupid
enough to admit it when I found out that he declined to open his usually
"mandatory" weak twos-- repeatedly.  I was then awarded a huge penalty on
one of the boards that he failed to open.  A local committee stuck to the
ruling much to his displeasure.

Well, I was tickled pink with the result until I talked to Edgar Kaplan of
the Bridge World, and old Edgar convinced me that however pleasing the
result this ruling and committee decision) was WRONG.

Why?

Because the Director and the committee invoked the WRONG law.  The
infraction committed was MISINFORMATION not Acting on Unauthorised
Information.  I was never really hurt by his infraction (the failure to
tell me about his implicit switch of methods).  In fact I would not be hurt
unless I played him not to have a five diamond card suit when he passed at
favorable at some point, or if I got stuck in a situation because I was
using specialised defences to what I thought was an undisciplined
preempting style.  If either of the above occured, said Edgar, a score
adjustment will be in order.

Edgar goes on to comment that a procedural penalty, or in worse cases a
meeting with the C&D committee may be in order but the ruling that the guy
got gave him the short end of the stick.

I agree with his assessment.  

[Also the ObAntiAmericanRant before initially came from Edgar-- the Bridge
World Office had an argument about whether it was or should be legal to
play a defence to a Strong pass system wherein a 1st-seat pass showed
either a normal pass or a strong hand with length in the presumed fert
suit.  Edgar agreed with me that the opponents should be able to switch to
using a different fert altogether without penalty after this "marmic-ish"
pass and pronounced the specific exception to the WBF merry-go-round rule
A______n, especially W____-inspired _tauris_excretio_.]

Hope this provides food for thought for everyone.



line-eater fodder
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley)
Subject: Re: Ethics problem.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:36:55 EDT

gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley) writes:

> taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor) writes:
> 
> > You (South) hold :
> > 
> > xxx
> > Ax
> > x
> > KQxxxx
> > 
> > Bidding :
> > 
> > S      W       N      E
> > P      P       1S     P
> > 2C(1)  P       2D(2)  P
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (1) Reverse Drury (but not alerted as such).
> > (2) Am I duty bound to alert this or treat it as natural?
> >          2D should show a full opener.
> 
> Not an expert, nor qualified director, but my guess is no,
> not then, but at the end of the bidding before play.
> 
> gerry@bluemoon.rn whose home bbs has trouble getting the 
> mail out sometimes, so it may go here instead.

With further thought, maybe one must assume in the
absence of the alert that the convention was forgotten
as well as the alert and go on without pause, alert nor
explanation.

gerry@bluemoon.rn whose home bbs has trouble getting the 
mail out sometimes, so it may go here instead.
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re: The value of quantitative sequences 
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:02:14 GMT

>From: taddiken@ms.uky.edu (scott taddiken)

>If you want to bid a breezy style, you will not, I'm afraid, find much
>sympathy on this net.  I shall only point out that there have been a 
>few great champions in recent times who have had remarkable success
>with very few conventions.  Chagas/Branco have done well with their
>"nostalgic" system.  

The following data was gleaned from the World Championship Book 1991
concerning the Semifinal match between Brazil and Poland 
in the Bermuda Bowl.  The match was 96 boards long, Poland winning.
(Poland led 190-182 going into the final 16 deals.  Board 92 was
the decisive board, Poland leading before that board 213-209.)

Pairs
CB Chagas/Branco (Brazil)
GL Gawrys/Lasocki (Poland)
MS Martens/Szymanowski (Poland)
* means a slam swing

Board                 IMPs 
*10    CB 3NT + 690   12    
       GL 6C  +1390
 16    CB 3H      ?   10
       GL 3NT + 630
*21    CB 6D  - 100   12
       GL 5D  + 600?
*26    CB 6D  - 100   13
       GL 4H  + 650
*37    CB 5D  + 420?  11
       MS 6D  + 920?
 38    CB 4D  - 100   12
       MS 3N  + 630
*40    CB 4H  + 510   10
       MS 6H  + 980
*92    CB 6S  - 200   13
       MS 4S  + 620        





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From: rainbow@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rob Buchner)
Subject: Re: 1S-2D-3C
Organization: St Barts
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:23:36 GMT
Keywords: reverses, jump shifts, splinters


>|Oh yeah, was I able to resolve this bidding argument? Not really.
>|I had the audacity to suggest 3D should be a splinter <after 1S-2C-3D>
>|in support of clubs, and not necessarily promising much extra in values.
>|I was unanimously shot down that 4D would be the splinter bid,
>|you can't make a splinter bid on the three level, those bids 
>|are reserved to show other types of hands.

|Bah humbug.  Lots of people I know play 1C - 1H - 3D as a splinter,
|since 2D is forcing.  In fact, I would wager that this is standard.
|This ought to apply in the 2/1 auction, too.  With a strong hand with
|5-5 in spades and diamonds, you would bid like 1S - 2C - 2D - X - 3D.

Not so fast. I agree, I play that as a splinter too, and I tried
using this very example only to hear that 1C-1H-2D is a reverse
and therefore 1C-1H-3D is a strong jump shift and 1C-1H-4D is
the splinter bid. You don't make a reverse with a 19+ points.
Apparently there are lots of people who also play this style.
From: m36150p@kaira.hut.fi (Janne Veikko Petteri Kallunki)
Subject: Re: Law problem
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:52:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.114904.1465@corax.udac.uu.se> olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.063205.456@nntp.hut.fi>, m36150p@kaira.hut.fi (Janne Veikko Petteri Kallunki) writes: 
>|>           T842
>|>           T
>|>           KQ6543
>|>           T5

>|> J763               K95
>|> QJ6432             95
>|> (void)             A872
>|> K63                J942

>|>            AQ
>|>            AKT8
>|>            JT9
>|>            AQ87

>|> N     E     S     W
>|> 1S(1) pass  1NT(2)pass
>|> 2C(3) pass  2NT(4)pass
>|> 3D(5) pass  3H(6) pass
>|> 3S(7) pass  3NT   pass
>|> pass  pass

>|> West lead C3 and saw the board. Then he asked the tournament director
>|> to see the situation. He claimed that he wanted to lead hearts.

>He can't change the lead, but the score may be corrected.

Why there must be corrected result when defense make two mistakes
after lead and wants to change the leading card to the worse one.
It's true that I don't understand why my partner did this 3NT bid
after his explanations but the point is that this three notrump
need more mistakes than this leading card.

Janne 'Jake' Kallunki m36150p@kaira.hut.fi jkallunk@otax.hut.fi
p. home 4553831, work 1545182
"One-Two-Three-Four"
	-Dee-Dee Ramone 
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From: ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se (Lars.Andersson)
Subject: Re: Optimal preempts? Depends on opponents.
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.014335.11028@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
>Vul:None   KJ864
>           A96
>           T2
>           QJ9
>7                   5                   
>QT2                 J843
>KQJ764              95
>643                 KT8752
>           AQT932
>           K75
>           A83
>           A
>
>Closed Room
>West        North        East      South
>Arnarson    Weinstein    Jonsson   Stewart 
>-           -            -         1C*
>3D          3S           4D        5D
>P           5H           P         7S
>P           P            P

7S must be one of the worst bids I have ever seen. A gentle 5S or possibly
6S looks OK, but 7....

Why not try a forcing pass over 4D and reserve some space!?

>Vul:NS     65
>           A8432
>           KJT542
>           -
>KJT932               A874
>KT9                  QJ765
>Q8                   6
>97                   KQ4
>           Q
>           -
>           A973
>           AJT86532  
>Closed Room
>West        North        East      South
>Arnarson    Weinstein    Jonsson   Stewart 
>2D(1)       P            2NT(2)    3C      (1) some kind of Multi
>P           3D           4D        5C      (2) I don't know what this is
>P           P            5H        6C
>P           P            x         All pass

I guess South did not consider A9xx good enough to raise partner's
suit anytime, especially when doubled (bad double!) in 6C. How
could this guy Stewart ever get to play in the World Championships!?

Why was East fooling around with 2N, how about a straight-forward 4D
or something else that does not leave much room for NS. East gave NS a shot
of finding their diamond fit.


--Lars
From: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Please, Human Readable Files Only
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

In article <ted.716494285@heawk1> ted@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
>>Please, can you only post human readable files on this
>>newsgroup. Thank you.
>	I don't think this is appropriate.  I personally didn't download

I think it is.

>	appreciated the fact that someone took the time to post them.

I appreciated it too, except I would have appreciated it even more
if the person had stated where you can ftp them from and left it at that.
Anyone who wants to read them can then get them without costing the 
net hundreds if not thousands of dollars (TM).

-- 
"In nature there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences"

Asya Kamsky	      e-mail: asya@ux5.lbl.gov                   Go Red Sox
"In order to command you must first learn to submit" - chinese fortune cookie
From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Defense against defense against Precision 1 club
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:54:57 GMT
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1041@kopasker.is> brl@kopasker.is (Bjorgvin Runar Leifsson) writes:
>
> Hi, bridge fans on the net!
>
> In the first follow-up I saw to the article 'Precision anyone?', the writer
> said that interference against the 1c opening usually is the big weakness
> of the system, because many Precision players don't develop good enough
> defense against these inteferences.  This is most true, but any strong club
> player must be aware that almost no opponents keep silent after 1c anymore,
> so if he still wants to keep his advantages, he must not forget the 'defense
> against defense against 1c'.
> Now, there are many ways of handling these interferences, both simple and
> complicated.  Perhaps the simplest one is this:
>
[Suggested defence against 1C]
> I'll wait to read about your methods
>
> Bjorgvin R. Leifsson
> brl@kopasker.is

Due to the common interferences over strong 1 C, I play two-way 1 C
instead.  Ie 1C is 10-12 balanced or 17+.  This forces the opponenets
to be more constructive.  The easiest defence against this system is:
	
	D = I wanted to open 1C
	Bid = The normal opening
	Pass = Weak

Anyway, you wanted to know about defences against strong 1 C.  Here's
mine:

  Pass = Weak or Strong
  D = 5+ hearts, overcall strength
  1D = 5+ spades, overcall strength
  1H = 4 hearts, longer side suit (common with shorter hearts)
  1S = similar to 1H, with 4 spades
  1NT = constructive overcall with both minors
  2X = preempt: That suit or a two-suiter with the suits above
  2NT = preempt: two-suiter, H+C or S+D
  Higher = preempt

This is mainly destructive.  Against two-way 1 C we use a defence that
combines constructive bids with weak preempts.

Have fun :-)

		Per Westling

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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: Mark Krosky <mk11@cornell.edu>
Subject: Cornell Duplicate Bridge Game
X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20: 11:06 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: mk11@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:06:20 GMT

I am planning to start a regular duplicate game at Cornell University. 
The first meeting will be Friday, September 18, 1992 in the Henry Room in
Sage Hall at 6:30 p.m.  If you have any questions or comments either post
them here or mail them to me at mk11@cornell.edu.
From: taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: What would you bid?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:35:18 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

In article <181050INNa89@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands) writes:
|> In article <3645@tivoli.UUCP: taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor) writes:
|> :Zip Swiss, You hold :
|> :xx
|> :KQx
|> :AKQxxxx
|> :A
|> :
|> :Bidding continues :
|> :You        Partner
|> :1D         1H
|> :??
|> :
|> :I would like to be in a heart game.
|> :
|> :Would 4D normally promise a solid
|> :suit and 4 card support?  Would this be
|> :an acceptable lie?
|> :
|> :3D is non-forcing.
|> 
|> I feel that you should have been aware that you didn't have a rebid before you
|> opened. This should probably have alerted you to the fact that 1D was the wrong bid.
|> If partner had the AS, 3 small diamonds and nothing else, 3NT would be cold
|> and 5D would probably make as well. Make a stronger opening bid.
|> I know a pair who use 3C, in auctions like this, to show good  opening suit and
|> good 3 card support for partner's suit: if you play change of suit forcing 
|> this is a viable option.

Agreed.  (But this was a zip-swiss.  Bid first, think never).
B.S. thought that even this is probably worth a 2C opener and
I have to agree.