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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:10:14 GMT

In article <Bv9B0v.5IK@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>
     moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) writes:

>Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>> "The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
>> from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
>> the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

>Oscar Wilde. (I'm almost certain).

	You're off by 2000 years.

	Try Socrates.

			Elf !!!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
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Keywords: hello...
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:42:49 GMT

 dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:

>After reading you guys for a few weeks now I've decided to [gulp] actually post
>something.  

<wave> Hello & welcome. 

>If there's any problems with this posting, please don't complain 8-) 

Who, me?

>It's my second one EVER and the first was just a test.....I'm an English major
>who's just moderately computer literate..... [grin]  But more computer literate
>than the average English major, I must admit...

Oh, probably. Though I'm an English graduate who puts linebreaks in her postings
|-)

>Oh, and bi the way, I am.   Um, y'know....Bi! [grin]

And isn't it fun... right lads, the Welcome Wagon, please...

Tanaqui

"You cannot get kicked off an aeroplane"    rules for living,   _Mars on Earth_

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:21:40 GMT

In article <6244@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk 
 (Colin Dente) writes:
>I must say that I've never really agreed with the "non est
>disputandum" bit - I mean, there are some issues of taste which are
>too important not to be disputed, or at least discussed:  For
>instance, does alcohol taste better when drunk from Alex's navel, or
>licked off Dave's chest?  Is Brie or Boursin the better topping for
>Kay's nipples?  These questions, and more, *need* answering...

Yes! I suggest that these questions be looked into by a panel of 
experts from various specialties, in order to develop a broad
consensus across disciplines.

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Keywords: hello...
Organization: CS Dept, University of the Witwatersrand
Date:  5 Oct 92 08:38:14 GMT

In <dsuchy19.718260519@ursa> dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:

>Hello.....
>After reading you guys for a few weeks now I've decided to [gulp] actually post something.  

Welcome

>I hate public speaking and it was extremely difficult to type "world" a few moments ago, so please bear with me [grin]!  

I know that feeling about public speaking, but it goes away after a
while (I think).

Nice to meet you

Vashti

sigs-r-us not
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From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Call the Office of the Governor in Orgon - No on 9
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:03:40 GMT
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Call the Office of the Governor in Orgon - No on 9

I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling a 
tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call 
them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater where 
you are from. The number of the Governor is 

		508-378-3111

eggs
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:17:54 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University

SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
: Honestly, all the egos around here thinking I was talking about them!
: No, you weren't one of the two I thought of, and neither was Mike, ...

<cough, splutter>  Mike never claimed you *were* talking about him,
thankyou very much!  I probably do have an inflated ego, but this
conversation was not one of its outcroppings.  Have a *hug* all the
same, to show no hard feelings.  Keep on hittin' those chords, Sion!

Mike, finally getting his posts:day ratio down closer to 1
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:05:02 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:

Yes, I'm following-up Sion, agreeing with him, yet again. Sorry folks...

>>mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>>> A good point, well made.  In my defense, I'll point out that it is
>>> precisely the _death_ part that I objected to.
>>> [...]
>>> I guess I still
>>> see some sacredness, some superb, colossal joke in human life,
>>> and it's a pity to throw one away for something as petty as
>>> *ideas* ....

>Just to add my thoughts, not so much about Socrates as about death and
>martyrdom, to the fray.
>
>I disagree too -- human life has gone *beyond* a joke for me.  I look
>around and, far from being sacred, it appears eminently disposable. I
>can understand people who have some sort of purpose to their life, a
>goal they're working towards, a cause they champion, a person who needs
>them; but the attitude of "living for the sake of being alive" is one
>I just can't get my head around, it makes no sense to me.  In that
>situation, what are you throwing away?  Nothing but a drain on human
>(and world) resources.  Society instills us, even those of us who like
>bucking the system, with the idea that life is precious so deeply that
>it is hard to conceive of death being in anyway a good thing.  Why
>should it be?  What is wrong with giving up on life, when we have nothing
>to give to it, and are just worthless consumers?  Might we not even
>have a *duty* to die, when such would improve life for those around us,
>and when our own lives are of no further use?

Ah, but that presupposes that improving life for those around us is a good
thing - and if you're going to die for a purpose, why not live for it?

For me, that is the purpose to my life: trying to improve life for those
around me. I can see no meaning to my life except in terms of giving what
I can to other people. This ties in with my earlier post (and Arrowsmith's)
about needing other people for stability: when nobody wants what I have to
offer, I get sad and depressed and the futility of life gets to me. For
instance, earlier this year I was (in retrospect) more depressed than I
have been for about 5 years, since my father died. I got introspective and
publicly self-destructive, and the fact that nobody noticed made things
steadily worse. Fortunately things have changed since then :-)

But if I ever found myself without *anybody*, I wouldn't go on with life;
there would be no point. The same decision as Socrates, for only slightly
different reasons.

>(I'm not sure what this has to do with soc.bi, but it's good stuff....)

Is it so surprising that bis are interested in ancient greek attitudes? :-)


//jon

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From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <25xqb6xv@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
|In article <1992Sep23.052007.13368@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@sybase.com (David Parsons) writes:
|>Dating sucks dead bunnies through a straw.)
|What's so ukky about dating?

   Everything.  And *Everything.  (I could write a book, but then I'd
be in a very bad mood....)

   If you're not extroverted (and I, until quite recently, was most
definitely not) the whole business of _asking_ someone out to do
something, and all the goddamn rituals that custom has piled on top
of what's supposed to be appropriate behavior, expectations, and
whatnot, is about as painful as a root canal, except it gets you in
the heart.  Dating meshes very well with the traditional family
value of monogamy and no sex before marriage to make the whole
business of seeing a motos (because, as traditional family values
tell us, motss relationships are icky and horrible and we should
all be dead because we're perverts) as simple as besieging
Jerusalem.

   It's pretty icky.
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ From the land of brain-dead mailers
		  \/
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:47:34 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep24.015948.21312@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
>: What kind of music?
>
>God, No!  Can we permit music-talk in this group?  And I just
>pointedly avoided Bethan's red-rag-to-a-bull remark about ABBA vs
>jingly (or was it jangly?) Indie mush (the last word is +ve,
>more-or-less).  Still, if you must ask, I've now had to leave
>two largish music collections in cold storage (vinyl in Dublin, CD in
>Edinburgh) and am now living on a very small pile of silver
>plastic discs with a decidedly 60s/70s pseudo-intellectual (my
>favourite) bent. It runs from Harrison's "All Things Must Pass"
>through Genesis "Lamb" and Bowie's "Young Americans".  Honorable
>mention also to "Abbey Road", and a *superb* Leo Kottke I've
>been playing to death since buying it on credit I'm not sure
>I have.  Oh yeah - and some of the inevitable Bruce Cockburn.
>Anyone who knows me long enough gets forced to listen to
>as much of his stuff as they can stand :-)

<gasp>
peg is dumbfounded...

>Mike, who is *amazed* that he's surviving without any Joni Mitchell -
>a situation to be remedied _soon_

...and reels with the shock that someone with the first
symptom of being THE PERFECT MAN has just revealed himself
on the net....

my mother would be so happy... "a man?!"

peg
-it's ok, b, he lives *far* *away*...
;)
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ellen's Pix...
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:42:33 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <1992Oct06.000113.20971@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>My only suggestion is that since Sara has a set, you may want to choose
>someone who is a bit further south than Edinburgh (while still staying
>on the same island.)
>
There could be a tour itinery -- send them from hot-spot to hot-spot (-8
I might also suggest one of us Cantabrigians -- I know I haven't seen
them, and the other Clive is likely to have access to a scanner (you did
say that, didn't you?)  Two Mikes, now two Clives -- I don't think I
can cope....

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eec@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Keywords: hello...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:12:54 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.183910.13900@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
>>Hello.....

hi dawn. :) hi joe. :)

>>I hate public speaking and it was extremely difficult to type "world" a
>>few moments ago, so please bear with me [grin]!

yeah, that was scary!!  i can't believe i'm doing this...

>>(I had to say "world" so a certain someone in Australia would notice that
>>I posted....)  
>
>   [blush]

you do that so well, joe. ;)

>   ...Lovers posting to soc.bi about me! Whatever next? 8->
  
zing!  bet you never expected to see me here.. :)  

>   (...come to think of it, all the other partners-of-Joe read soc.bi too...
>folks, meet another of your number 8-> 8-> 8->).

well hi to all of you!  (er...  us?  hmmm...  whatever. :)  

and a big hug to joe. :)  and to boris. :):)  and everyone else i know and 
don't know here.

>Joe.
>
>  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
> / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
>/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: State Sanctioned Suicide
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Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:56:12 GMT

 SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.013238.9141@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>Owen pointed out that it wasn't really very sweet or honourable to die choking
>>in a gas attack in world war ii because of a clapped-out Latin phrase.
>>                             ^^
>Ahem, shouldn't that be WWI?  (Why didn't WWII produce poets the way the
>first did, anyway????)

Yah. World War One (no typo possible, there). No gas attacks at all in the
Second World War.

Tanaqui


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:35:20 GMT

In article <38861@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.175952.24111@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>+The scientific method requires that we reproduce each experiment many
>+times, paying rigorous attention to the methods of our discipline.
>+<If you'd spread a little Brie a bit lower to the right...ahaa...>
>+
>+Carefully controlled double-blind tests are needed to avoid artifacts
>+in the data. <Perhaps a black silk blindfold...>
>
>Scientific legend has it that one NSF grant went to the study of the
>'Lasing Properties of Kentucky Burbon'. All you have to do is come
>up with something similar to get your research funded.

An Emperical Factor-Analytic Study of the Objective and Subjective 
Dimensions of Taste Perception among Social Groups of Non-Monosexuals.

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep29.235930.3264@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>
>  Different people, different experiences.  I agree, it can be simple
>to see a motos - I've seen, in a distressingly platonic fashion, various
>women over the years, all via the mechanism of dating. There's seems to
>be a lot of preparation involved, and a lot of wondering about what will
>happen, and a wee bit more than the RDA of stress.  I've never _formally_
>dated a man, but I've _seen_ a few of them, and, even in the instances
>where I didn't experimentally verify my bisexuality (grin), came nowhere
>near the RDA of stress.  (Recently, I've seen a few women, and had the
>opportunity to experimentally verify my bisexuality with them, without
>going through the business of dating.  Much less stressful, just like
>it is with men.)
>
>
>  It's amazingly icky, IMO.

I went on a date once.  In 1976, I think it was.
Dating doesn't seem like the best way to begin sexual relationships.
But when you're leaving one social circle and trying to find another, 
sometimes dating seems like the only alternative.

>                ____
>  david parsons \bi/ The man with no email address.
>		 \/


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!!
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 13:45:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

After having read Isuelt posting I wondered if that describes me also. I 
am sexual and plumbing is not a major concern for me.

But the more I thought about it, the less that idea fit. I have noticed that
sex with men is different than sex with women, It feels different, smells 
different, tastes different. And I relish those differences.

For me its like the differences between strawberry cheesecake and Cholocate
icecreme. I love both, immensely. I wouldn't want to live on a diet of just
one or the other.

And besides the 'gourmet' quality of the differences in the sex, I have found
a difference in the love that has helped me feel better about life. I have 
found its ok to love and express love, that thunderbolts rarely come out of 
the sky, and that shit I was taught when I was younge was just that, shit.
For me this has been a healing and liberating thing, partly because of the 
differences.

So does this mean I am sexual, bisexual, gourmet sexual, wierd or just human.
I am not even sure any of this makes any sense. It is just me, and my
tuppense's worth.

Ben Gibson

Kinsey surfer:)
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep28.194234.1193@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
+OK, so I'm terribly cynical about highly-respected figures, esp.
+the likes of Greek philosophers or playwrights of good repute.
+This is probably because I'm too lazy to read them myself, so
+I need to justify my ignorance by calling them dumb ... *smirk*

Try Aristophanes, speaking of cynics, and big dildo fights.

It seems that for classic greek homosexual appreciation of the male
penial features, small was wonderful, large was for a buffoon, or a
satyr.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:23:08 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <a6xqbrzw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.095240.21217@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>> [ ... ]  Which brings me onto the
>>second point about the value of a long-term relationship.  Short-term is
>>all well and good, if you expect it to be -- it hurts like hell when a 
>>relationship you thought was a serious, steady one gets trashed after aa
>>short while.  Mike is right about permanence being optional when the
>>issue of breeding is removed, but there is still a lot going for it in
>>terms of stability, in knowing that you've got someone to rely on.
>>A brief relationship, no matter how intense, is not going to provide
>>the same sort of emotional anchorage -- if you can manage without that,
>>I envy you your freedom, but I can't get the hang of it.
>
>That second point.  Any "stability" that I may get from other people -
>friends, lovers, whoever - is *supplementary* to the stability I have
>in myself.  It can't be counted on.  The only person I can't lose, whom
>I can rely on always being there, is me.  If I don't have security
>enough of myself, then I can't afford to live (for anything other than
>bleak terrible moments) on others' gifts.
>
Well, I went away and had a good think about this.  You could well be right
about it being dangerous to rely on others -- it would certainly go some
way to explaining how I got so completely screwed up.  But, on the other
hand, I don't have that internal stability -- I *can't* rely on myself -- 
so my only chance is to get it from others, if I'm to survive.  Maybe the
external support would be enough for me to get some sort of self-confidence
back, but it's almost impossible to find anything purely within myself that
would give me that sort security.  I feel, well, hollow -- like there's no
real "me" inside, that there's just some sort of shell that only really
exists as a reflection, or creation, of those around me.  What it needs, I
guess, is convincing me that I'm more than that, that somebody can see the
"me" that can be trusted, and to show it to me.


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
                              | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:51:46 GMT
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>From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:32:59 GMT
> 
> Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
> 
> I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling 
> a tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call 
> them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater 
> where you are from. The number of the Governor is 
> 
> 		In Oregon      800-378-3111
> 		Outside Oregon 508-378-3111
> 
> eggs

		Note corrected area code
					503-378-3111
From: UA_FEV@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: QUILT HAPPENINGS
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:10:00 GMT

Hi y'all! I will be in Washington this coming weekend to volunteer w/the
NAMES Quilt, and I was just wondering whether anybody knows of any net-
and/or bi-related get-togethers planned during the course of the weekend
in the DC/VA/MD area (on top of the fairly happening DC club scene). 
Please post, as I'm probably not the only one who's looking to make the
most of this important weekend.

Thanks and Kiss-Kisses,
_F_unky
_R_uling
_E_ducated
_D_iva