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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:14:39 GMT
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In article <1992Aug12.145919.6175@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:

>The reason I want
>a world government 1)
>
>The level of injustice in the world without 
>one I find intolerable. I look at SU:Afganistan etc...
> and USA:Chile etc... as examples
>of big rich nations picking on smaller nations  and working for the interests 
>of a subset of the human race at the expense of the whole. 

Mind explaining why a WG would improve this?  Just for an example, I
bet it would be pretty easy to get a billion or so Chinese to vote
that China should continue to administer Tibet even under a WG.  Do
you really think enough other people would care enough to vote against
them? 

>Some nations 
>through military strength have taken more than their fair share of
>the worlds rescounces. 

You mean like the Soviet Union?  Well, we seem to have corrected that
problem without a WG.

>What gives the right to the USA to use up
>10 times as much unrenuewable rescource per capita than another
>country?

The fact that we pay for them.

>2)

>there are issues of a global scale that are not 
>dealt with properly because we are missing the level of government
>that can best deal with this. These issues are population control,

Are you really willing to live with a Chinese style birth control program?

>environmental degredation,

Most of the world's people are in the Third World.  Should we drop our
environmental regs to their level?

>peace and security,

Given that nations can't do a very good job of guaranteeing these
within their borders why should a WG be any better?

>Labor legislation (to ensure an even global economic playing field)

Why should we have an even global economic playing field?  If people
want luxuries like six week vacations why shouldn't they pay for them?

>I am not asking for
>an allpowerful monolith to dictate everything but a legislature to
>take care of these issue which would not be taken care of otherwise
>is all I am calling for.

Ah.  OK.  Now how do you keep it like that?  Are you aware of how
small the Federal government was supposed to be?  And looks what it's
grown into.  Now how do you prevent that from happening to the WG?


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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.094733.597@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>their picadillos but seems to just now be coming out of its strait
>jacket with respect to GHWB?


Because it's right before the Republican Convention, which is being
touted as a promotion of Family Values. For those who favor hitting
Bush on this issue, the timing couldn't be better.


Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Buchanan's speech
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:14:59 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

     Folks, lets not forget the words of this orator who is "right besides 
himself":                       (courtesy NEW YORK TIMES)

          "My friends, even in tough times,
           these poeple are with us.  They don't
           read Adam Smith or Edmund Burke, but
           they came from the same schoolyards and
           playgrounds and towns as we did.  They
           share our beliefs and convictions, our
           hopes and our dreams."
           ...
          "And, we need to reconnect with them.
           We need to let them know we know they're
           hurting.  They don't expect miracles,
           but they need to know we care."

     Such a kind, caring and thoughtful soul!

     Amazing, how those sentences, when standing by themselves on the
phosphors of the screen can take on a whole new meaning.

     Don't you just want to embrace him for his concern over OUR hurt!  After
all, he did grow up with us, in the same schoolyards, playgrounds and town as
we did.  He knows us so well -- he could never turn away from a friend in need
of a bit of support!

     DOESN'T HE DESERVE AN HONORARY DEGREE in Social Work!

     We ought to find a pair of Siamese Twins who can give this man the sort of
two faced kiss-off that he truly deserves.  Where are Blaine & Antoinne when
you really need them?

	READ MY LIPS MISTER BUCHANAN	(written by Gary M. Klein, 8/20/92)
                
		We're queer,
		We're here,
	       	And we grew up playing in your schoolyard!
 
		We're queer,
		We're here,
		And we were once friends!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we once cared about each other!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we never hated anyone!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And you don't respect us anymore!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we ain't gonna hide!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we've got love on our side!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        Can you see the rising tide!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And Roy Cohn wants a bride!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And God is on YOUR side?

		We're queer,
		We're here,
                And we're all gonna cheer!	        	       


P.S.  Guess who is going on a vacation in the woods?
      And coping without a newsfeed.
      But I will be spending time with an e-mail buddy!
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From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Scudbusters
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:31:04 GMT
	<EGGERTJ.92Aug11134057@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Aug12.235016.23628@bony1.bony.com>
	<1992Aug13.162755.25755@cas.org>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: jac54@cas.org's message of 13 Aug 92 16:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162755.25755@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>
> In article <1992Aug12.235016.23628@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
> >HumInt (Human Intelligence), something the US has screwed up on big
> >in recent decades, not just in the Middle East, is something that the
> >Israelis are pretty good at...
>
> Do you have any evidence to suggest that the Israelis have HUMINT
> assets in Iraq?  The Ba'athists are particularly paranoid about Israel
> and have not shown any hesitation about killing their people on the
> slightest suspicion of spying for Israel.

In fact, common sense tells one that the Israelis today have no
particular advantage over the US (and parhaps even disadvantages) as far
as the possibility of developing HUMINT assets in Iraq, and in the Arab
world in general.

The situation was very different in the 50s and 60s after the large
waves of immigration of Jews from the various Arab countries.  Israelis
then could -- and did -- send into Arab countries operatives who were
truly native to the countries in which they were posted.  This has not
been the case for years, and what goes on in the occupied territories
indicates that today Israeli intelligence even has trouble getting hold
of enough people who can just speak Arabic decently.

Cases of Israeli intelligence activity that have come to light in recent
years would lead one to believe that they are relying on operatives of
Western European or American descent.  They still get a few immigrants
from those places.

US intelligence has better sources of such people, I would think.
--
Yigal Arens   "He seems like an average type of man.  He's not, like, smart.
USC/ISI        I'm not trying to bag on him or anything, but he has the same
arens@isi.edu  mentality I have -- and I'm in the eighth grade."     Vanessa
               Martinez, after VP Quayle's visit to her school-LA Times 5/21
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Subject: Re: Iraq renews threats against Kuwait
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.152714.29652@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.133703.18030@bmerh85.bnr.ca> robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins) writes:
>
>>>Given that the majority of UN member states are dictatorships or one
>>>party states where dissent generally isn't allowed I find this talk of
>>>'democracy' at the UN somewhat laughable.
>
>>Alas, then I guess the US should be allowed to run the show because it
>>has put most of those dictatorship into power in the first place anyway, eh?
>>Interesting concept of democracy you have there....
>
>Note the classic liberal defense: when painted into a corner, change the
>subject and blame the US.
>
>I think you would have a hard time proving that the US put 51% of the
>world dictators into power but let's stick to the point. What's the
>point behind democracy in a body where most members have nothing but
>contempt for it?

Liberal eh? Boy, what a wild accusation. 
Is that like a red under the bed down there?  

But it is you who is evading the issue. I oppose dictatorship and
the manipulation of the UN by the US. You claim to oppose dictatorships
but support the manipulation of the UN by the US, claiming it is okay
because of the dictatorships. But the manipulation is precisely a form of
dictatorship. So who is being inconsistent here?

How can the US possibly legitimate its manipulation, invasions and
interference in the affairs of other states by claiming these states
are "dictatorships", if the US places dictators into power faster than
it removes them, and if the methods its uses are undemocratic?

But if a body is full of elected autocrats and yet the methods 
they use while in power are undemocratic,
then you can still claim the autocrats are behaving undemocratically
(as in Iran, for instance, where individual rights are demolished by
majority rule.)  This does not mean one can invade Iran because of the
lack of human rights.
Another good example would be Algeria, where a majority voted for a
government that some feared would impose authoritarian "Islamic" rule.
It was wrong to deny the result of the vote, just as it would be wrong
to not oppose the abolition of individual rights if that government had
been allowed to come to power.


Frank.
From: CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil (CINCLANTFLT PAO)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 19 Aug 92
Date: 22 Aug 1992 12:11:18 -0500
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TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR NAVNEWS 034/92
A. Top News and Policy Stories
   A1. Navy Awareness Programs Keep Sailors Safe
   A2. Senate Confirms More Than 2,000 Navy Nominations
   A3. ADM Kelly Concludes Investigation of Tomcat Follies
   A4. More U.S. Bases to End Operations
   A5. Notable Quotable:  ADM Frank B. Kelso II
B. Around the Fleet
   B1. Air Station Saves a Bundle on Bedding                  
   B2. MSC Tanker Uses MFDS, Refuels Indy Underway                  
   B3. Rousing Welcome Greets Antrim at New Homeport
   B4. Navy Christens Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine Nebraska
   B5. Salute to Excellence:  USS Abraham Lincoln 
   B6. This Week in the Navy:  Aug. 31, 1944
C. Personnel Notes
   C1. VHA Survey Mailed to Commands 
   C2. Surface Command Qualifications Modified
   C3. Voters Can Get Candidate's Views
D. Awards
   D1. 1992 VADM Stockdale Leadership Award Winners Announced
E. Short Splices
   E1. Flag Moves                      
   E2. Navy News This Week
   E3. Editor's Note
                               -USN-

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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:13:40 GMT

eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
#
#Steven does say in his book that the Egyptians were broadcasting false
#news for domestic consumption in the early days of the 1967 war.  Yet
#he does also say that the foreign radio broadcasts from Cairo, giving
#actual accounts of the battle, were purposely altered by the Israelis
#to draw Jordan into the war.


But this is simply insanity. Do you really believe this? If Israel would
want to draw Jordan into the war, would it warn it (twice) to stay out?
Would it broadcast the fact that the Egyptian air-force has been eliminated,
thus making clear that the war was over after 3 hours? Have you given
any thought to the technical possibility of "altering messages"?

How do the following quotes from the leaders of Jordan and the Jordanian
army at the time correlate with the assumption that "Jordan was dragged 
into the war"?

"..Syrian, Egyptian and Arab propaganda blared over the radio their
message of war, vengence and victory and were listened to by millions
of Arabs in the middle east. They claimed that the hour of reckoning
was at hand and that the Israelis would receive the retribution they
richly desereved. This produced a massive response in favor of
war amongst the Arabs of Jordan...the pressure of public opinion
in favour of war was so strong that king Hussein knew that if he
failed to participate he ran the risk of civil war. King Hussein's
commanders warned him that they could not hold their men in check any 
longer and that there would be a serious crisis if Jordan failed to act."


Jordanian journalist Samir Mutawi, summerizing from interviews
with king Hussein, major general Salim, field marshal Majali,
Lt general Haditha and Ben Shaker, commander in chief of the
Jordanian army.


"There was in the country and all over the Arab world what you
might call a mass euphoria about the possibility of war and that
this was something we have been waiting for a long time - we
were going to defeat Israel once and for all."


As told to Jordanian journalist Samir Mutawi in an 1983 interview
by Zaid Rifai, a senior aid to king Hussein, and two times
Jordanian prime minister.


-Danny Keren.



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From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,misc.jobs.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Re: STUDY: NAFTA TO CAUSE U.S. JOB, INCOME LOSS
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:04:50 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Aug14.202016.3830@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.153525.14298@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Bob Hooker) writes:
>>But lets say that I am a country that produces rubber very well.  Jobs in
>>the rubber production pay like shit,  they are dangerous,  they pollute the
>>country side and they do not require that my country educate people.
>
>>I can buy tractors for rubber from a more industrialized country.  And if
>>there is a competetive advatage I am better off in the short run buying the
>>tractors and keeping my country a rubber producer.  
>
>>The result is I have a poor, polluted, uneducated country.  If I want to
>>start industry,  but my trading partners all have a comparative advanatge
>>in industry,  I had better put up some trade restrictions of some kind, in
>>order to protect by domestic market.
>
>The point you miss is that although a few people will be better off -
>for example the owner of the factory and the people who work in it -
>many more will be worse off - tractor buyers, people who need things
>that are produced using tractors, people who sell materials that are
>used with tractors, etc.

False.  The success of the tractor business may have a positive
effect on the entire economy: for example, while repairs on foreign
made tractors might be most easily done in in the foreign country,
repairs on local made tractors might be the basis of thriving
local machine-shop industry, and these machine shops might provide the
foundation for the growth of, say, a bicycle industry ... etc. 
Thus, trade barriers and public investment may may make it cheaper
to make high-value added goods locally and help the domestic economy
move from a low-wage colonial status to a higher wage independent
status. Of course, this is not a hypothetical example, the history
of the last 4 decades makes it very clear that encouraging domestic
manufacturing is a far more sensible status than encouraging 
export of raw materials and agricultural goods. Nations like Jamaica
which were lead by IMF economists to exploit the comparative advantage
theory find themselves hostage to an international commodities market
while nations which have subsidized domestic manufacturing, e.g. Korea,
find themselves creating skilled jobs.

>What comparative advantage tells you is that the net result of all
>this will be a loss of wealth from your country.  

As Korea, Taiwan, Egypt, and Chile, stand out as counter-examples, 
one might want to question the validity of the theory.

>Now where does it go wrong?

In practice.

-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu

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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.EDU (R. Mandock)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Sam Donaldson, Media Celebrity, Hides in Tank While ABC News Producer is Shot to Pieces ....
Keywords: Sam Donaldson, Coward, Media Celebrity
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:25:17 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Yesterday, an ABC news producer for Sam Donaldson was shot by a sniper, while
covering the violence in Yugoslavia.  There was no room for him in the tank 
in which Sam "Nasty Boy" Donaldson sat, well-protected and well-paid.  Is
there a point to this?   Maybe.  Should the on-air "personality" be more well
protected than the producer, who, after all, did the REAL work necessary to
prepare any and all news stories originating from that location?  I mean, is
Sam Donaldson really irreplaceable, or could ABC, for instance, just  subject
Corkie Roberts to 72 hours of continuous sleep deprivation, poke her with
sharp sticks an hour before broadcast time and then loose her on polite 
company and achieve the same effect?


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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Scudbusters
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:50:16 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug11134057@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.011856.26074@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>   They would've flown lower and recognized the decoys.  The Americans blew
>>   up a lot of decoys.  Israeli air tactics, as demonstrated in the attack 
>>   on the Osirak nuclear reactor, are characterized by precision, not 
>>   by the sledgehammer approaches regularly utilized by Americans.  While
>>   sledgehammers make lots of sparks fly and sure do smash things up,
>>   they often miss the point.

>Now Jake, certainly you recognize the vast difference between
>attacking the Osirak reactor and attacking the scud launchers.  The
>Osirak reactor doesn't move, scud launchers do.

Which is why low-flying, precision bombing as perfected by the Israeli
AF would have been effective here.

>The Osirak reactor is
>big, scud launchers are little.

Which is even more reason for the Israelis to have done a better job
of it.

>The Osirak reactor attack allowed
>considerable planning time, the scud launcher attacks did not.  

What do you think Bush and Schwarzkopf did for 6 months?  Before it
was know as Desert Storm, it was Desert Shield, you know.

>The
>Osirak reactor site was infiltrated by Israeli spies, the scud
>launcher sites probably were not.

Firstly, you don't know this for sure (or else you're going in with
Pollard tomorrow.)

Secondly, the kind of ElInt (Electronic Intelligence) that the US has
come to rely on more and more is becoming quite unreliable.  HumInt
(Human Intelligence), something the US has screwed up on big in 
recent decades, not just in the Middle East, is something that the
Israelis are pretty good at (and used to share with the crooks in the
White House and Pentagon, until Pollard pointed out that Israel was
being cheated in the deal).  Therefore, it seems likely that Israel
would not have wasted as many smart bombs with pin-point accuracy as
the Americans seem to have done on plywood mockups and inflatable
plastic decoys.

If you recall during the war, almost every day the Pentagon claimed
that Iraq only had one or two dozen SCUD launchers and that almost
all of them had been destroyed on that day.  After a few days of this,
with more and more Iraqi SCUD attacks, it became obvious that the
Pentagon didn't have a clue where the SCUD launchers really were.  In
the end, the UN will have destroyed more SCUD launchers than the USAF
ever could.  Sorry to disappoint you.


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: anyone have photographs?
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:11:38 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information

From Newsweeek's _Perspectives:_Overheard_ -- June 15, 1992

"He has to get down on his hands and knees and grovel on broken glass with 
his mouth open and his tongue hanging out -- and then we'll talk"

        -- Bush campaign spokesman Torie Clarke, on the prospect of a
           prime-time address by Patrick Buchanan to the Republican
           National Convention

Geez, I wish I'd seen this!


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