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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin's Conference Rankings
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:04:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <71324@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
>crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
>}                                                       The following stats
>}are derived from Sagarin's computer ranking scheme published weekly (on
>}Tuesdays) in the USAT.
>}
>}Pac 10: 1-UW,8-USC,11-Stan,19-Cal,21-Ariz,24-WSU,27-UCLA,32-ASU,33-Ore
>}        104-OSU					Avg:  83.56
>}ACC:	4-FSU,7-Vir,15-Clem,20-NCSt,35-GT,49-UNC,56-UM,58-Dk,67-WF
>}						Avg:  80.92
> 
>What's interesting about these numbers is that they seem to run
>exactly counter to the Conventional Wisdom (tm) this season about
>these leagues, namely that the PAC-10 is really strong at the top
>and that the ACC is deep.  
> 
>Sagarin says that the top 4 of the leagues match up well (within 4
>places, probably all but UW-FSU within a fraction of a point), but
>that the middle of the PAC-10 is much stronger than the middle 
>of the ACC.  Personally, it just gives me one more reason to be
>highly skeptical of Sagarin's betting numbers as rankings.  (Not
>the fact that the PAC-10 is rated higher than the ACC, the fact
>that the *trends* of the rankings don't seem quite right.)

I draw the opposite conclusion: that the Conventional Wisdom (tm) is not 
quite right.  This in part because Sagarin's rankings of these teams roughly  
line up with mine.  For reference, my computer's rankings:

PAC-10: 1-UW,5-Stan,13-WSU,16-USC,28-UCLA,29-Cal,33-UofA,43-Ore,60-ASU,73-
OSU

ACC: 4-FSU,18-UVa,22-GaTech,27-Clem,39-NCSU,44-UNC,51-Wake,59-Duke,83-UMd

I'm not sure what the above averages represent, but these average out to an 
average rank of 30.1 for the PAC-10, and 38.6 for the ACC.

I think that any discussion of the difficulty of a schedule, especially 
when it's a conference schedule, should focus not on the top and the bottom
, as it always seems to, but on the middle.  The real measure of difficulty 
is where the median falls--any conference, and nearly any schedule can 
point to one or two top 10 teams, maybe three top 25 teams, but has to 
admit to one or two creampuffs.  But if you have six other teams centered 
around number thirty, that's a lot different than having six others 
centered around 75 or 80.

> 
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
>                                 "And computer rating systems."
				But it doesn't count as much.

R Dendy
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 17)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:24:37 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

I wrote:

}ARKANSAS (2-4) hosts OLE MISS (3-2) in Little Rock:  
}TV: JPT, 12:30 PM ET

This is not right - I intended to put the little "TV" marker 
under this game:

}MISSISSIPPI STATE (4-1) visits SOUTH CAROLINA (0-5): 

which is the game JPT listed at the beginning of the season.

However, Nelson Jordan remins me via e-mail that this one:

}GEORGIA (5-1) hosts VANDERBILT (2-3): 

was promoted during last week's Arkansas-Tennessee broadcast.
I don't know whether this is a switch or a split broadcast.
Anyway, check your local listings.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
                                 "And computer rating systems."
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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Clemson RUNS
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:18:49 GMT

ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

>  and two of them are bad:

> 1) gain yardage
> 2) lose yardage
> 3) fumble

Well...well...but...ummm...:-/

> So - why run if you don't have to??

It's far less risky, no matter how you cut it.  And with a good offensive
line and group of backs, you shouldn't lose yardage or fumble. 

>Ok - GO, GAMECOCKS!!! They sure need all the help they can get!!! 

That's the sooth...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:02:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

*realName:Phil writes:
>For most Bama fans, I would guess the Bama-vs-Auburn game to be the
>most important, followed by Bama-vs-Tennessee, probably followed by
>Bama-vs-LSU.  

Whyyyy thanks.   Glad to see we still strike fear into your cold, black
hearts.  Heck, while I'm here, I'll give this a shot in relation to d'Tiguzz:


		LSU RATIONAL RELATIVE RIVALRY RANKING

  Common Tiguh Fan	Old Fart Tiguh Fan	Me Tiguh Fan
  ----------------	------------------	------------
     1.Ole Miss	     	     1.Tulane		1. Texas school of Animal 
							Husbandry at Bryan
     2.Bama		     2.Ole Miss		2. Bama
     3.Tulane		     3.Bama, Miss St	3. Ole Miss
     4.UT@Bryan	     	     4.rest of SEC	4. TooLame

***Aside:  It should be inferred into the above that I would rather 
eat instant grits and wash it down with hot tea than to see any of my
aforementioned enemies lose to the Fighting Frenchmen.


BEWARE Red Residue.  You will bow in B.R.  You heard it here first!!

Curse ye woof gods!!!

Harken not unto mine keyboard!!!


James (woof gods have no leverage with me) Clyde
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.214500.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.170116.15250@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct14.073004.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>>
>>>I hope Pat Dye taped the MS-FL game.  I wonder if he can afford ESPN?
>> 
>>     Shhhhh David!  Don't let anyone down there hear you say "taped".
>> You'll be booted off-campus.  Can he afford ESPN?  Well, he *is* on
>> the board of directors at Colonial Bank, isn't he?
>> 
>> --
>> Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
>
>Hmm.  I wonder if he can help me get a loan......
>
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 

    Well, let's fill out an application.  You have a wife, right? 
A car payment?  You do *not* own a tape recorder, right?  You *do*
play football, right?  What?  You don't?  Sorry, you don't qualify.

--
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From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Worst Rule in College Football
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:24:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
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Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Oct15.223348.29097@den.mmc.com>  jerdman@evans.den.mmc.com (Joe Erdman) writes:
> While this may be a bad rule, I really have no opinion, I feel the worst rules
> in college football are:
>      * allowing a game to end in a tie
Disagree, tie is fine.
>      * no playoff system to determine a REAL National Champ
Agree, but not like NFL. Only play 1 extra game (unless there are more than 2
undefeated-untied top-ranked teams), and only if it is necessary. Of course,
the definition of "necessary" has to be defined.

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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: question: rules concerning missed/blocked fieldgoals
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:37:53 GMT

In <69493@hydra.gatech.EDU> vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart) writes:
>Umm, last I checked, if a kick (punt or FG attempt, *not* a kickoff) took the
>ball into the end zone, the ball was dead as soon as it hit the ground or a
>player in the end zone.

I admit that I'm using 1991 rules but if ANY kick touches ground on or behind
the goal line the ball is dead and belongs to the team defending that
goal line (provided that it has not been touched by team B).
Rules 6-1-7 and 6-3-9 if you want to look it up.
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From: shittle@ms20.mis.semi.harris.com (Steven C. Hittle)
Subject: UM-OSU Tickets
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: shittle@ms20.mis.semi.harris.com (Steven C. Hittle)
Organization: Harris Semiconductor
Keywords: Tickets

Although the game is not until November 21st, I thought I'd try early to
see if anyone has tickets to the Michigan at Ohio State game.  I'm not
particular as to where they are located, even if they are in the the 
student section.  I figure their might be a few disgruntled OSU fans out
there who may not be interested in going, especially after the loss to the
Illini.  

Thanks in advance.

Steve


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From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trojans Beat Oregon Handily
Date: 10 Oct 1992 23:56:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

USC had no trouble defeating Oregon today in convincing fashion.
The game began quite ominously for Oregon as they fumbled the
opening kickoff and gave the Trojans great field position before
the game was one minute old.  Although Oregon stopped the Trojan
offense cold, USC still managed an easy field goal to make it
3-0.  

Oregon gave USC great field position again, and Rob Johnson
lofted a beautiful easy to catch pass to Morton for USC's
first touchdown and a 10-0 lead.

For much of the game, both teams struggled on offense, and the
defense was great.  Curtis Conway ran a kick back about 95 yards
for a Trojan touchdown.  Conway has done that several times in the
past couple of years, only to have penalties nulify the scores...but
not today.  

USC won the game 32 - 10  (I think that was the final score) and
it was never really close as Oregon self destructed several times.
On one punt play, Oregon's center snapped the ball WAY over the head
of the punter and into the endzone...it was just that kind of day for
the Ducks.
					Go Trojans,
					Fight on

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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:46:24 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Oct12124419@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>2. The boo-birds were out at the end of the game again.  Despite the second
>loss in a row, this was uncalled for IMO.  Ohio State fans do have a right
>to expect nothing short of excellence out of their team.  But there's a
>difference in my mind between booing a team for uninspired play and booing
>because of a loss.  I don't think anyone can fault the effort or heart of
>the team on Saturday.  The crowd's (unfortunately predictable) response can
>only hurt this team even more.
>

Actually, the boo-birds began their booing on the first fumble with the
96-yd return.  There was more on the first missed FG and the second fumble.  
Of course, most of it came after the last missed FG and as the team left the
field.  Personally, I don't think booing *anybody*, Cooper included, does
any good and I think it makes Ohio State's fans look bad.  It is
particularly irritating when fans boo because a pure-freshman fumbles the
ball.

My friend whom I went to the game with, turned to me at one point while
the booing was going on and said, "Well I wonder what Rashard thinks of
this?".  He was referring to Rashard Griffith, the 7-1 kid from Chicago
who was at the game being courted by Randy Ayers.  I don't know, but
frankly I think it's embarrassing.

david
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:34:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: well.yvonne.719012087
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In <1992Oct13.204824.8668@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:

>In article <yvonne.719004336@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>> In <71103@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>> 
>> >Well the ACC went 1-1 against the MIGHTY PAC-10!!! last year in the bowls.
>> >Perhaps only .500 ball against the left coasters is "not too well"
>> >in your book?

>> Well, the ACC may have gone .500 against a single conference, but what was
>> the
>> conference's overall record in bowl play?  What was its record in overall
>> regular season non-conference play?
>> -- 

>Yvonne, this is like sticking a steak in your back pocket and
>jumping over the chain link fence at the junk yard.  Sic her, Mark.



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Bob, last time I checked 3-1 was less than 2-2.
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From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Bo wants back!! Was: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:08:21 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa


I saw in an interview with Bo, that he wants to go back into
coaching.  Maybe Ohio State will offer him a job??

John Hajel
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 17)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:22:16 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks) wrote:
>}     
>}     WHAT ??? you mean its not another "Razorback Saturday on JP "
>}   
>}  ...heavy sigh.... I guess I'll be forced to watch the Vols and Tide..
>}  sure had my hopes up on seeing more hogs mounted to little ol' ladies 
>}  heads..NOT !!!

>Fear not!  The Hogs will be on again October 31 at Auburn and November 7
>at home against Mississippi State.

Actually, the Hogs will be in Starkville. 
>BTW, a reliable source informs me that JP dropped the Mississippi State
>at South Carolina game completely, so everyone should be getting 
>Georgia-Vanderbilt.

Correct.  We were told they would televise the game, but since USC has 
a terrible record, they changed their minds.

David


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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:36:49 GMT

In <ga7-f9B@engin.umich.edu> chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:



>	Rose Bowl is still pretty good.  The international exposure is really
>really good.  The money is really really really really really really really 
>really really really really good. 
> 
>	Beside, PSU is joining the Pac now.  So the competition should be
>better.  

>	How about Miami or FSU join the Big Ten?  

Boy, where does he get his (mis)information?
>- Chung Yang
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From: atchison@dragon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Central OH post - hit 'n' otherwise (WAS Re: Ohio State game thoughts)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:51:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct13.155108.11932
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <1992Oct13.145033.6008@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:

> Jimmy Crum, "the so-called Dean of Central Ohio Sports"

Jimmy Crum, the *self-proclaimed* Dean of Central Ohio Sports.  Geezus, what
is he, 95 or so?  He said last year he was going to retire in November, and I
have a calendar on my wall to "X" off the days.

[echoing into a deep chasm...]

	Barry Katz, where are yoooouuuuu?

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: JP SEC GotW?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:08:24 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) wrote:
}
} Anybody know what this Saturdays' JP SEC Game of the Week is?  

Jefferson-Pilot, in its infinite wisdom, has selected the pivotal
SEC matchup of Arkansas at Tennessee. 

I suspect JP wanted to show us *5* Arkansas games in a row, but
unfortunately they have the week off October 24.  We are forced to
settle for just 4 Piggie games in 5 weeks.

Thank God they aren't trying to force us to watch the meaningless
games like Auburn at Mississippi State and LSU at Florida!

[ No :-)'s, but one big :-(. ]

-- 
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Subject: Re: OSU-Wisconsin and such
From: copus@pa621a.inland.com
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:00:22 CDT
Distribution: usa
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In article <1appprINNiet@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.153122.9223@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>> 
>>Ohio State's problem is pretty simple from my perspective ...
>>they need to get healthy.
>    
>    Yeah, and they need to recruit some big, strong Wisconsin boys so their
>    offensive and defensive lines don't get pushed around. ;)
> 
>    --salty
> 
     Salty Woof Post #2.  Your doomed this weekend in Iowa City, the
     "Woof Gods" have all the ammo they need now.

     Len 


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:16:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Oct11.071651.21261
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct10.231835.23782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.192903.33776@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Alright fans, let's hear your arguments!!!  Who in the world can deny that
>>the Miami Hurricanes are the #1 team in the nation, without a doubt???
>>Not only are they undefeated...
>>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>>But...
>>
>>In successive weeks, they have taken down #3 Flordia State, and now, they
>>have travelled to #7 Penn State, and beat them on their own turf...
>
>Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
>Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...
>
>Yup, definite #1 ...

Well, an Arizona team that also managed to beat UCLA....
I guess they are overrated as well..
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From: kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Summary: Sheesh...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:03:19 GMT


     Somebody please please beat Miami!!! This is the worst team they
have had in recent years, but somehow no one can make field goals
against them...

     Note, I didnt say Miami had a bad team, its just not as good as
usual. The defense is incredible, but the offense sucks. Can the
defense carry them? I hope not!

     If they keep winning, congrats on MNC #5, but they are doing it
with smoke and mirrors (and defense).

(Gino Toretta Heisman Candidate? Uh uh. If any player on Miami deserves
consideration, it is Micheal Barrow, not Gino.)

Karl