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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Precog not possible?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:45:59 GMT

dave@hyla.hyla.biosci.missouri.edu (Dave Zaloz) writes:

>Previously Mr. McGrath posted:

>----------------------
>	Personally I think precognition is flat
>out impossible, but I have never said that telepathy or PK are
>impossible.  They are conceivable, they just aren't in fact true.
>---------------------

>I certainly respect your opinion Mr. McGrath, but I'm a tad confused.  Is  
>it that precog is conceivable, but not possible?  As in, I can conceive of  
>a way to do it, but can't actually do it?  I'm just curious.

Well, faster-than-light travel is certainly conceivable, but as far as we
know, not possible.  Same goes for reactionless thrusters, sub-absolute 
temperatures, and frictionless surfaces.

>My curiosity stems from my own experiences.  I regularly have those deja  
>vu experiences were I am in a situation and realize that I had dreamed the  
>situation beforehand.  It is not as though I had a dream that seemed like  
>the situation, the dream was exactly the same as the situation.  As an  
>engineer, I am curious as to how this can be scientifically explained.

>Please don't think that I am flaming, or issuing a rebuttal.  I have had  
>this going on all my life and am curious as to how it can be explained.   

First off, kudos to you for showing some of the true spirit of scientific
inquiry which seems so often to be lacking from this froup.

I believe the current theory to account for deja vu is that different
sections of the brain receive sensory input at slightly different times.
One section may store the information into your long- or short-term
memory; then, when the other section tries to store it a millisecond
later, it notices that the information is already stored.  Hence, it
will come to the conclusion "Aha! I have been here before."  The
information retrieved may even seem to possess a dream-like quality.

There is a simple, scientific method that could invalidate this theory,
at least in your case, or in your eyes.  IT IS IMPERATIVE that you begin
recording your dreams immediately after they happen, and in as much detail
as possible, to provide a written record of this phenomena.  If you still
achieve significant results, post them here, including your word-for-word
description of the dream and a description of the event that occurred that
matched.

mark



>What are the odds that a person could dream an exact instance in his  
>future?  What are the odds that this can be done at least monthly for the  
>persons' entire life?  Feel free to respond to me personally (at  
>c471040@mizzou1.missouri.edu) or to the discussion group.

>Adieu
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Septic Inquirer
Date: 26 Dec 1992 20:29:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
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In a previous article, ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin) says:

>>	So much for "objectivity"
>
>In the name of objectivity, where are Gauquelin's reinterpretation,
>and the new test documented?
>
	This is OLD stuff. I don't have to/will not provide anything.
It is water under the bridge The SI Admitted their error when they were
exposed. This is not a leyend. Look it up. Why don't you write them
for the details? :-) :-)

Tony

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: Precognition and Quantum Physics 1
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:54:08 GMT


I have been asked (by Dr. Rubik) to comment on the book The
Interelationship Between Mind and Matter, Proceedings of a Conference
Histed by the Center for Frontier Sciences of Temple University eidted by
Dr. Beverely Rubik.

The book covers many disciplines and I am only competent to comment on the
physics part.

Pop-physics author F. David Peat has a paper "A Science of Harmony and
Gentle Action". I think the term "gentle action" is due to Geoffrey Chew.
Peat, and others, make some interesting qualitative remarks. It would be
good if the book could be expanded to include more mathematical technical
appendices. For example, Peat writes:

"Vanishingly small effects, such as boundary conditions, when coordinated
in a nonlocal way will drive a sensitive non-linear system, and the effect
of small changes on chaotic systems is already well known.  It is suggested
that such subtle effects may play a key role in biological systems so that
'information' enfolded within the form of the wave function may be
delocalized throughout such systems.  An obvious example is the human brain
and nervous system in which, to take a single instance, memory does not
appear to be encoded in any local way, but is distributed over the brain.
In a similar way an over all 'meaning' may be involved in the operation of
the immune system." (p.191)

Peat is alluding to nonlocality across the space of the brain at a fixed
time but I also think that a nonlocality across time in both directions
(retarded and advanced) from the 'present' may also play a role. Fred Hoyle
has developed that idea in his 1986 book, The Intelligent Universe.

The basic problem in using the "precognitive" nonlocal quantum connection
as an information-processing system is the apparent "unitarity barrier"
preventing the local decoding of nonlocal connection signals. Such
connection signals are not signals in the ordinary sense. They do not
require the direct propagation of energy from transmitter to receiver
within space-time as ordinary forces do.

However, two factors seem to conspire to defeat every attempt to trick
Nature into allowing us the practical use of the quantum connection as a
communication channel. The first factor is the invariance of inner products
of quantum states under the unitary time evolutions between non-unitary
measurements.  The second factor is the completeness of the set of final
states for the detection of the "transmitter particle" in a quantum
connected particle pair.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: dave@hyla.hyla.biosci.missouri.edu (Dave Zaloz)
Subject: Precog not possible?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:42:28 GMT
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Previously Mr. McGrath posted:

----------------------
	Personally I think precognition is flat
out impossible, but I have never said that telepathy or PK are
impossible.  They are conceivable, they just aren't in fact true.
---------------------

I certainly respect your opinion Mr. McGrath, but I'm a tad confused.  Is  
it that precog is conceivable, but not possible?  As in, I can conceive of  
a way to do it, but can't actually do it?  I'm just curious.

My curiosity stems from my own experiences.  I regularly have those deja  
vu experiences were I am in a situation and realize that I had dreamed the  
situation beforehand.  It is not as though I had a dream that seemed like  
the situation, the dream was exactly the same as the situation.  As an  
engineer, I am curious as to how this can be scientifically explained.

Please don't think that I am flaming, or issuing a rebuttal.  I have had  
this going on all my life and am curious as to how it can be explained.   
What are the odds that a person could dream an exact instance in his  
future?  What are the odds that this can be done at least monthly for the  
persons' entire life?  Feel free to respond to me personally (at  
c471040@mizzou1.missouri.edu) or to the discussion group.

Adieu
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Precog not possible?
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:55:17 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1992Dec21.134228.17022@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> dave@hyla.hyla.biosci.missouri.edu (Dave Zaloz) writes:
>
>My curiosity stems from my own experiences.  I regularly have those deja  
>vu experiences were I am in a situation and realize that I had dreamed the  
>situation beforehand.  It is not as though I had a dream that seemed like  
>the situation, the dream was exactly the same as the situation.  As an  
>engineer, I am curious as to how this can be scientifically explained.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So far it hasn't.

Perhaps I should modify that a bit, to say that none of the hypotheses
that have been suggested so far can be scientifically tested today.

J.B. Priestly, a British author, wrote a book called 'Man and Time'
where he presents an admittedly personal view of time and various
ideas around it. It does present most of the various 'explanations' of
deja vu, but I hesitate to call it science. Priestly seems to have had
a rather unusual attitude to time, judging from some of his plays.

You'll find a lot of references to other books on the topic, including
Dunne's 'An Experiment with Time'.

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 	013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: ai072@yfn.ysu.edu (Gavin S. Patton)
Subject: re:Query
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:05:50 GMT


>We would also develop educational multi-media and VR software
>teaching relativity, quantum mechanics etc. to kids who would
>be the future star ship cadets to make Star Trek Real and
>to fullfill our destiny of Space Migration, Intelligence
>Increase and Life Extension.

Before we try to make Star Trek "Real", we might try to at least
write Star Trek with a mind towards Reality.  Please don't use
"Star Trek" as a superlative in this area --Star Trek is great
fun, and I'm watching at as I'm writing this, but it is NOT
-- EMPHATICALLY *NOT* even CLOSE to good science!

We should keep the dividing line between what we create and
what we DISCOVER firmly in mind when treading the road between
Reality and Fiction.

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From: ai072@yfn.ysu.edu (Gavin S. Patton)
Subject: Re: The Sarfatti Papers - Destiny Matrix 1
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:13:07 GMT


>>|> conferences e.g. ufos etc. However, all rights researved
>for commercial use.
>
>>Completely derivative (without proper attribution), and,
>of course, boring.  
>>And he has the gall to reserve the rights to this stuff.
>Sheesh.
>
>No, no... he "researved" the rights, not "reserved" them.
>The word
>"researved," you see, is derived from the ancient Mess-o-potamian
>word
>"phthtththt," (spelled sideways and served with a side dish
>of umlauts) which means, roughly, "to fart into the wind."
>
>Hope this helps.

We have here a wondrous example of the spontaneous generation
of flame by striking two idiots together!

So the poor schmuck can't spell!  I know a number of brilliant
people who can draw a picture that would make your heart SING,
but can't spell anything more complicated than their name &
address, and can't program their VCRs.  Was his post so
good that the only thing you could flame at was a simple
typo?

He may have farted in the wind, my friend, but *you* stayed
around to SMELL it!

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Macintosh VR
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:08:03 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

davei@wam.umd.edu (The One True Dave) writes:

> In article <4VmDVB3w165w@freeside.com> popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
> >Part of the problem with PCs are that they have been strangled by low 
> >speed i/o bus.  Macs had the right idea with running video at the CPU 
> >speed.  But local bus motherboards and cards, including HD interfaces and 
> >video will make the PC a better platform than it was.
> >  Video accelerators on the PCs have pretty much eliminated that 
> >bottleneck anyway. 
> >
> >24 bit color cards are now available under the $200 mark for the PC.
> >These cheap bords won't go a full 1024 x 780 but they will do the 
> >equivalent of NTSC which is all VR goggles will allow you to use anyway.
> 
> Also, already out for the PC is local bus video. The video card has a
> separate bus running at CPU speed. This should eliminate the remaining
> bottleneck there.


Yup, and apparently the PC bus may be about to mutate.  Everything will 
be local bus running at CPU speed, instead of 8mhz bus speed.  Add more 
advanced DMA capabilities and we'll finally have systems that can use the 
Intel chips a lot more effeciently.  This will put the final nail in EISA 
and Microchannel's coffins.
  Now your peripherals will be the limiting factor.


Pope Charles

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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: I need a FAQ !..and what the Dickens do Sega 3-D glasses cost in
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:19:46 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

qureshi@ug.cs.dal.ca (Saqib Ahmed Qureshi) writes:

> 
> Hello readers,
>  I am VERY interested in VR. Unfortunately I own a 386DX/33 with 2 Meg RAM..
>  I heard from a friend that I would need at least a 486..to get good graphics
>  Also I have NEVER heard of sega 3-d glasses (I know, I know ..I'm ignorant),
>  how good are they?
>  Lastly I request a faq or a pointer to a site where I can get it...er..I'm
>  assuming the powerglove and sega 3-d glasses drivers someone was talking
>  about earlier are for IBM and compats...I didn't even know they fit into one
>  of the PC's port's..do I have to get an adapter or what?
>   As you can see I'm in confusion city..so please, please, please tell me all
> you can ( I don't sound desperate do I?:) ).
>  Please reply by e-mail.
>   Thanks in advance....
> 			    -Saqib
> 


I don't see why you'd need a 486.  The main difference between a 386 and 
a 486 is a built in math chip.  Math chips for 386s are pretty cheap now.
While the 486 would be faster, it ain't so much faster that you MUSt get 
a new Motherboard to fool around with VR.

Pope Charles

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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Pentium
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:53:46 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Korac MacArthur) writes:

> cool name won't make up for lame hardware bugs) will have?  I'd like to
> see a hardwired multi-tasking capability.  Windows sucks speed and
> memory wise,  I haven't played with OS-2 to know how that is.  Maybe
> they'll go for something better.   An on-board graphics and sound chip
> set similar to Amiga's would be useful, and many ports of course.  Who
> reads Byte?  Enquiring minds want to know.
> 
> 					Life.  Go figure....
> 
> -- 
> Hey, George.....Nah na na na, NA NA NA NA,  HEEEY   HEYYY HEY,
> GOOOOOODDDDBYYYEEEE!!!!!!   (and good riddance)
> 


Windows isn't THAT slow.  But video under windows is because most PC 
graphics cards are slow.  Use Windows 3.1 and a decent S3 accelerater 
card on a local bus and things are fast.  It's old fashioned PC video 
that makes Windows seem so slow to everybody.  Memory?  I ran Windows 
successfully on 2 meg for months.  But hey, memory is cheap.
OS/2 wants at least 6 megs.
  And of course a fast hard disk is nice.  When my 28ms disk died I went 
to a 12ms HD.  That speeded things up bunches.
Windows 3.0 was slow in spots.  Windows 3.1 rooted out some of the slow 
routines and fixed 'em. Window 4.0 should be a litle faster as they 
optimize things.   I don't see my brother's accelerated Amiga 3000 being 
faster then my 486 local bus clone running windows.
  Of course he does have a Videotoaster, but that's another tale for 
another day.

Pope Charles    Amiga vs PC. Who cares?   

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Xref: sparky alt.pets.chia:5 alt.fan.lemurs:275
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.pets.chia,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: Plural of chia, groups of chia
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:05:32 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <BzxvwD.12t@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
>In article <23DEC199219090681@trentu.ca> spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) writes:
>>
>>Well, this is quite simple.  If you have many chia dogs then it is a
>>pack, and if you have many chia sheep then it is a flock, and if it
>>is a bunch of chia trees then it is a forest, etc.
>>
>What about chia lemurs?


Never seen any for sale, but if you open your own pottery business and
manufacture chia lemurs, post about them here, we'd probably order quite a
few.
Newsgroups: alt.pets.chia,alt.fan.lemurs
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Plural of chia, groups of chia
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:31:25 GMT

In article <23DEC199219090681@trentu.ca> spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) writes:
>
>Well, this is quite simple.  If you have many chia dogs then it is a
>pack, and if you have many chia sheep then it is a flock, and if it
>is a bunch of chia trees then it is a forest, etc.
>
What about chia lemurs?
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: ken@visix.com (Ken Mayer)
Subject: Re: Interesting Concept
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:21:56 GMT
Reply-To: ken@visix.com
	<1992Dec17.232458.17291@colorado.edu>
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA


A small refinement:

-->On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:24:58 GMT, devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski) said:

 Sonja> Actually, this concept has been expressed before.  (I saw it
 Sonja> myself in a scientific journal article about TG behaviour
 Sonja> somewhere.)

 Sonja> What it proposes is rating gender like this:

 Sonja>              Masculine
 Sonja>                 ^
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja> Non <-----------+-----------> Feminine
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 |
 Sonja>                 v
 Sonja>                Non

 Sonja> (I use the term 'classic' to mean stereotypical gender
 Sonja> role...)  The upper left hand corner (high-masculine,
 Sonja> low-feminine) is classic male, the upper right hand corner
 Sonja> (high-masculine, high-feminine) is androgynous, the lower
 Sonja> right hand corner (low-masculine, high-feminine) is classic
 Sonja> female, and the lower left hand corner (low-both) is neuter.

So what's at (0,0)? I like the idea, but the math student in me says
that the scale should stay in quadrant I:

 Ken>              Masculine
 Ken>                 ^
 Ken>                 |
 Ken>                 |
 Ken>                 |
 Ken>                 |
 Ken>              Non+-----------> Feminine
 Ken>                Non

Because you're measuring presence of something, not whether you have
something or its opposite. Or to put it another way, there's
non-Masculine, but no anti-Masculine (what would be called Feminine on
a single axis scale). The extrema retain the same mapping as before.
--

Ken Mayer, Workgroup Alchemist
ken@visix.com
Visix Software Inc./703.758.8230
  If you want it yesterday you've got to give me at least a week's notice.
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