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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 13:49:36 EST
Reply-To:     "Nick Gavrielatos" <gavriel@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
From:         "Nick Gavrielatos" <gavriel@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Makedoniko kai h apeilh sunnefiasmenhs Kuriakhs
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu
              92 12:05 pm

> poy ki ws poy to "YR of Macedonia" ntav epi 45 xrovia avekto apo
 "e0vikofroves"
> kybervnseis? Kai pws va arvn0oyme oti n perioxn votia twv Skopiwv anhkei
> gewgrafika stnv  eyrytern Makedovia (Makedovia toy Bardarioy, toy Aimoy kai
 toy
> Aigaioy)?

Egw apo th alln opsi ths upo0eshs lew to ekshs: Ama h Amerikh exei
mia politeia me to onoma Georgia, megeia ths me xara ths. Kai ama
kai h prwhn Sobietia exei mia akoma Georgia, kai auths maggia ths.
Otan omws pane na ginoun krath, tote na mou peis esu poia 0a parei
"h mallon 0a krathsei to onoma. Kai mporei to paradeigma mou na mhn
einai kai toso kalo, alla auto pou 0elw na pw einai oti h Ellada den
0a mporouse na eksaskhsei kai polu megalh piesh ws pros to ti onomazetai
to eswteriko kommati mias xwras. H xwra htan Giougkoslabia, kai to ti
onomaze ta merh ths htan diko ths problhma. Ekei pou 0elw na katalhksw
einai to ekshs: Sto onoma tou opoioudhpote la0ous pou ekanan
Ellhnikes kubernhseis gia 45 xronia, den shmainei pws prepei na
sunexisoun oi kubernhseis autes na kanoun to idio la0os kai gia
ta epomena 200 xronia. Auto to epixeirhma to exoume akousei 200
fores(oti, ela mwre, tosa xronia tous afhsame na onomazontai etsi,
twra mas kobei?), kai kala 0a kanoume na to aporripsoume mia kai
kalh. Gia partu mou pantws htan eks arxhs xameno apo xeri!


> Trito, gia tnv istoria mas... Egw akoma, dev tnv ema0a tnv istoria mas kai as
> opsovtai aytoi poy tnv kseroyv. Oyte mporw va syllabw ti sxesn mporei va exw
> egw kai emeis oi "Makedoves" me ekeivoys toys Makedoves meta apo 2000 xrovia.
> Ta xrovia toy M. Aleksavdroy kai toy Aristoteln exoyv kyriws akadnmaiko
> evdiaferov snmera. Kai prepei va exoyv. Kai kavevas sobaros istorikos
 meletntns
> dev pei0etai -kai ayto moy eivai arketo- apo tis kits parelaseis Skopiavwv kai
> nmeterwv me perikefalaies kai dorata. Allwste o  Gligorof to dnlwse: "Dev
> exoyme kamia skesn me thv Arxaia Ellnvikn Makedovia. Eimaste eva Slabiko e0vos
> poy zei sthv perioxn".

Auth sou thn paragrafo thn 0ewrw pws thn egrapses gia tous skopianous
gia tous opoious kai den polukoptomai. Gia tous Ellhnes ta xronia tou
M. Aleksandrou kai tou Aristotelh, exoun endiaferon polu megallitero
kai polu pio biwsimo apo to aplo akadhmaiko.

> Tetarto, se mia epoxn oikovomikns oloklnrwsns stnv Eyrwpn, ti 0esn va  'xoyv
 oi
> perixarakseis syvorwv?

Oikonomikh oloklhrwsh my foot... prwta prwta h oikonomikh oloklhrwsh
den exei na kanei tipota me thn e0nikh aneksarthsia tou ka0e kratous,
kai epeita h oikonomikh oloklhrwsh isws na epiteux0ei otan esu kai
egw 0a exoume fugei apo auto to kosmo...


> H ti snmasia n yparksn 'h n avyparksia evos kratidioy me
> to A n to B ovoma? To ksepndnma tetoiwv kratwv kai kratidiwv  movo sa mia
> proskairn kai mallov avaxrovistikn parev0esn moy faivetai, avamesa stis
> isopedwtikes allages poy symbaivoyv stnv Eyrwpn.

Kati tetoia akouw kai den exw kefi na bgalw ba0mologies gia to
podosfairo meta... Etsi e? Ti shmasia exei h uparksh twn skopiwn
me to onoma Makedonia??? Auto rwtas? Auth loipon h proskairh kai
anaxronistikh paren0esh(edw kapws sumfwnw mazi sou) teinei na
ginei monimh allagh kai nte-facto katastash, an den triksoume
ta dontia mas ligaki... kserw twra 0a mou peis kai giati na ta
triksoume? Sou apantw me ta logia sou: Gia na mh ginoume kai
emeis kapote proskairh kai anaxronistikh paren0esh sthn Eurwph
tou aurio.

> Pempto, o polemos, Avtwvn, dev mporei va eivai "esxatn lysn" giati aploystata
> dev apotelei lysn. Akoma ki av mia mera kapoioi apofasisoyv va "perpatnsoyme"
> ws ta Skopia, ti 0a petyxoyme? Kai ti 0a givei meta? 0a fygoyme, 0a meivoyme,
> 0a kapsoyme, ti?

Edw sumfwnw... o polemos den einai lush... epeita kseroume kala poioi
tous trofodotoun, kai den apokleietai na ginotan polemos diarkous
f0oras, kati pou pote den exei nikhth... auto pou xreiazetai einai
apomonosh twn Skopiwn apo th mia pleura, kai diarkh piesh ths
die0nous koinhs gnwmhs apo thn allh.

> Lewvidas
> Birmingham
>
> PS: Kai twra gia kapoioys geloioys "e0vikofroves", apo dw kai kei, poy makria
> apo tn fwtia milave gia tn fwtia (poy 0a kapsei alloys bebaiws), va mnv
> arxisoyme ta gamostayridia Kyriakatika.

Egw pantws, xwris na eimai e0nikofrwnas, eimai mesa gia opoia morfh
mpinelikiwn(prosekses th genikh)... prosoxh omws... xwris eksubrish
twn 0eiwn... :-)
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