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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: elm and rewriting From (was: Re: elm2.4, AIX)
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:41:12 GMT

barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>IMHO, this is wrong.  It's nice that the domain name is configurable in
>a file, but appending the NIS domain name to an unqualified hostname is
>wrong, plain and simple.  It should either trust the value of
>gethostname() or leave out the hostname all together.  The problem
>doesn't have a simple solution, but clearly this is a bad default
>behavior.  The NIS domain name has nothing to do with the DNS or mailer
>domain.  It should be up to the mailer agent (e.g. sendmail) to do the
>proper rewriting of local headers, not the user agent.

All you NIS people, please use the elm.rc file to override these,
which is what it was designed for.  I admit the doc on this is
lacking (and is being beefed up.) 

You need to create a global elm.rc file (default name /usr/local/lib/elm.rc)
and put in it the three parameters for the name of this host, as specified
in the Ref.guide.

>Also, is there a way to turn of expansion of turning local addresses
>into user@fqdn?  For example, if i get local mail from user "foo",
>addressed to "barr", if I reply to it, it gets rewritten as
>"To: user@hostname.dom.ain".  All mail in this department is addressed
>either as "user" for local mail, or "user@dom.ain" when coming from
>outside.
There is a line of code marked 'KLUDGE ALERT' that is doing this. (Same
line as in 2.3)  What is happening is that Elm is makeing the address
qualified to prevent alias expansion.

Explaining this again:
user a has a local alias called b, which points to b.user@remote.site.com
user b on the local machine mails a message to a.
A replies.  If Elm does not qualify it, it will expand the alias
and the reply will go to b.user@remote.site.com instead of the local user
b.

Until the rewrite (3.0), when we will keep a status on all addresses we pass
around, the solution to prevent this was to 'qualify' a local address with
the current machine name, which is supposed to be harmless for mail delivery.

if you don't mind occasional 'misdirects' of forwards, replies, et.al., then
just comment out the kludge in the code.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm 2.4pl2 breaks current From_ behavior?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:54:32 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

I just installed Elm 2.4pl2 on one of our machines, an HP-9000/750
HPUX 8.0.  We have been using Elm 2.3pl11, which is still on our other
machines.  It appears that 2.4 is a bit looser in interpreting From_
lines than 2.3 was.  Specifically, the following lines were
interpreted by 2.4 as message beginnings, while in 2.3 they were
considered part of the body of their messages (which was correct):

From the United States: 011 41865 240 545
From ADC Times, Vol. 13, No. 4, p2, June 1992:
From Francis McDonagh, Santo Domingo, Sunday 11 December, 1345 LOCAL TIME.
From the _New York Times_, Sept. 11, 1992, p. A15 (Op-Ed).

An even stranger problem occurs with the last two.  Although the
'messages' (actually tails of messages) that follow these From_ lines
show up on the index and display when I hit <return>, they cannot be
saved to another folder.  If I try to save one of these two messages,
the only thing that gets written to the target folder is the line:
  Status: RO
followed by two blank lines.  Elm claims the message has been saved,
and marks the original for deletion, as normal.  I have never seen
this behavior before.

An unrelated question: I thought if I told configure to have MIME
support compiled in, I wouldn't need to have metamail.  But I cannot
read the only two MIME messages that have arrived in my mailboxx using
elm; it complains that metamail is missing and returns me to the
index.

  --  Cos (Ofer Inbar)  --  cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush)
Subject: 2.4 and s(ave
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:40:21 GMT

Sun-3/60, SunOS 4.1.1, X-tvtwm, ...

When entering messages etc, the screen clears as in more, where ELM 2.3 did
not.  I far prefer 2.3's behavior.

Attempting to s(ave a message leads to
  o something about 'signal' but screen clears too quickly, leaving only the
    message
  o "Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!"

I think this one has to mature a bit.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl)
Subject: elm 2.4 exits on update when new mail arrives...
Summary: when updating($), if new mail arrives elm will exit
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:11:56 GMT

elm2.4 p0, on sun3/60 sunos4.0.3, built using gcc.
locking using . and flock.

When updating with the $, elm will exit when new mail arrives.

Is this fixed in any of the patches?  Do I need to give more
info?  I have had this happen a couple of times, but have not
saved the errors.
From: gwilson@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Gregory Vance Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Fcc: equivalent?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct12.213505.29591
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

Ream (the mail system I used to use) had an "Fcc:" field in the header.
A copy of the outgoing message was saved in each folder named in this
field, so that:

	To: fred
	From: mary
	Subject: test
	Cc: jane
	Fcc: +misc, +frib/baz

	[text of message]

would save copies of the message in $MAILDIR/misc and $MAILDIR/frib/baz.
Is there an equivalent functionality in Elm?  (If not, I'll probably go
back to ream --- it's a nice way to keep track of my life :-)).

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jhp@photon.com (Jim Patterson)
Subject: Re: How to install elm 2.4 on SGI
Reply-To: jhp@photon.com
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:59:39 GMT

Alain Massiot (massiot@felix-e.crihan.fr) wrote:
: 
: Hi, 
: I try to install elm 2.4 on a Silicon Graphics power series 4D/380
: and i have problems with can_access.c compilation .
: I obtain the following message :
: 
:      cd lib; /bin/make -b all
:         cc -ansi  -O -I../hdrs    -c can_access.c

Try using -cckr instead of -ansi.  Elm compiles and runs just fine on
Irix 4.0.5.

Good luck

Jim

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: vjrao@owlnet.rice.edu (Vinay Julapalli Rao)
Subject: Problem with Elm Recognizing Sender
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:08:38 GMT

Elm 2.3P11 installed at our site seems to be having a problem recognizing
the sender of a mail message when the userid of the sender is the same
as the userid of the receiver.  Elm says that the message is from me even
though it is actually from someone at a different site with the same userid
as mine.  Is there any way I can have Elm reflect the sender correctly?  
Thanks.


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Brett Morrow)
Subject: Elm 2.4 PL 2 & a reply to local mail problem
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:00:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords


I have a problem that has just come up.  I am not sure if the problem is 
in just ELM 2.4 PL0 of PL2.  I did the upgrade from 2.3 PL 11 to the new
version all at once.  The problem I have is if I receive mail from a local
(on my system) user and I try to reply to the message, the message bounces.
ELM seems to be putting an internet address on the reply address and also
tacking on a .none on the end.  My message end up with:
(user@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu.none)  Does anyone know WHY?  


 Please help.  2.3 PL 11 worked fine.


   Brett Morrow 

Internet: brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu
From: massiot@felix-e.crihan.fr (Alain Massiot)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: How to install elm 2.4 on SGI
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:27:12 GMT
Organization: CRIHAN, France


Hi, 
I try to install elm 2.4 on a Silicon Graphics power series 4D/380
and i have problems with can_access.c compilation .
I obtain the following message :

     cd lib; /bin/make -b all
        cc -ansi  -O -I../hdrs    -c can_access.c
accom: Error: can_access.c, line 73: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op =
        istat = sigset (2       ,       ((SIG_PF)1) );
       ----------------------------------------------^
accom: Error: can_access.c, line 73: types :   pointer to function returning void  versus   int
        istat = sigset (2       ,       ((SIG_PF)1) );
       ----------------------------------------------^
accom: Error: can_access.c, line 74: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op =
        qstat = sigset (3       ,       ((SIG_PF)1) );
       ----------------------------------------------^
accom: Error: can_access.c, line 74: types :   pointer to function returning void  versus   int
        qstat = sigset (3       ,       ((SIG_PF)1) );
       ----------------------------------------------^
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Can somebody help me??

Regards.
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve X. Portigal)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: saving to file without headers?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:55:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Please repsond by email as I don't read this group.

 Is there anyway (and if it is it must be obvious) to save a message
to a file so that it isn't a mailbox file, ie just the message, not
any of the headers?

Thanks,

Steve Portigal
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Newmail under 2.4PL0 hangs on SVR4 system
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:48:22 GMT

usbill@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu (Bill Canning) writes:
>I'm running an NCR 3000 system, and just compiled ELM 2.4.  Now when I run
>newmail during my login process, the program just stops working.  I can use
>^C to get things going again.

>I compiled with -g option, and used GDB to take a look at the program.  What
>was happening is that when the program 'stat(2)s' the /var/mail/$USER file,
>the call never returns.

>Does anyone have any ideas.
Nope, and I run newmail all the time on my SVR4 system here (in fact its
running right now in another window).
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Choice of pagers
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:57:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

I have our favourite pager 'less' configured as the default pager, and
mostly ELM 2.4 runs it. But if the message is short (fits on one screen, I
guess) ELM seems simply to splat it out, with a "Press i to return"
message at the bottom.

No problem in seeing the data, but it makes problems if you have to explain
to complete novices how to look at a message and give them step-by-step
instructions on what will happen and what they do.

I think ELM should run the selected pager even if there's not enough for
it to page.
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: [include file]
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>Version 2.4 of elm goes a long way toward compatibility with AT&T's PMX
>mailers, but it's still not quite there.  Has anyone gotten MIME and
>AT&T's products to recognize each other?  It's close but the PMX programs
>want to see a "message body" (content-type: text) before any attachments
>even if the content-length: is zero.   It pretty much works if you
>include some text or a null file before the first [include file ] entry.
Elm 2.4 has NOT tried for compatibility with PMX, so I am not surprised
that its not compatible.  We adhered to the MIME standard (or at least
attempted to).  We don't even have a copy of the PMX standard to try
and adhere to it.

>Also, I hope errors in the [include file] specifications can be handled
>in a friendlier way.  Now it discards the entire mail message and
>just briefly flashes a reason before redrawing the main menu screen.
We need a much better 'include' file mechanism, whats there is a
quick kludge.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: ELM vs PINE
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:06:27 GMT

In article <BvxD9M.Gyy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Hardy) writes:
=In <1992Oct10.182329.26184@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
=>There's only one thing for you to read if you're running System V: PINE
=>doesn't compile under System V!
=
=Odd, carson.u.washington.edu is System V and Pine 3.05 works just fine on it.
=
=go figure

I'll bet it's a hybrid SV, not a pure one like AT&T SV. What is it, HPUX?
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: smail + procmail + elm + NFS ==> lost my messages
Keywords: lost message
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:28:51 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

stucki@math.fu-berlin.de (Christoph von Stuckrad) wrote in
<V2O7KQR@math.fu-berlin.de>:

| I just had the second time the same sad situation:
| 
| I read my mail from a folder in my HOME/Mail dir with elm.
| 
| During that our smail gets another message and
| deliveres it via procmail into the same folder.
| 
| This mail GETS TOTALLY LOST if I leave exactly then
| this folder !!! If I stay and wait elm notices correctly
| the newly added messages and shows them.
| 
| So this seems to be a broken lock someplace. ????
| 
| Does somebody out there know how to lock ONE's OWN folders
| against this situation (I believe the system mailbox is handled
| correctly)     Thanks,   yours Stucki

Elm and procmail appear to be using different locking conventions.  Each
of them, not noticing a file with the other's idea of what locks should be
named, thinks it has the lock itself.  (Or possibly Elm still doesn't care
about locking secondary folders.)

The procmail distribution includes a program called "lockfile" and its
documentation includes a couple sample scripts on how to integrate it with
mail reading.  Essentially the scripts do this: wait until you can get the
lock via lockfile (which uses the same locking method as procmail), fire up
the reader, keep the lock until you're done reading, and then give up the
lock.  If a procmail process needs the same lock while you're reading, it
will wait.  Your incoming mail will not show up while you're reading, but
nothing will be lost.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4PL0 and ISC Unix (SVR3.2) 3.0
Reply-To: andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:04:30 GMT

Well, at least you don't have an undefined symbol for setlocale. :-)
(I'm still trying to figure out where to put -Xp on all the lines,
and when to include -lcposix)

-Andy

wiesel@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Joachim Wiesel) writes:
>After configuring Elm (with MIME enabled) and cc I get:
>o       utils.o                 wildcards.o     wordwrap.o ../lib/libutil.a -ltermlib  -lc_s
>undefined                       first referenced
> symbol                             in file
[deleted]
>ld fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to ../bin/elm
>*** Error code 13
> 
>Stop.
>*** Error code 1
>Any idea ?
>Joachim
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From: ct@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (fac chris tomer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problem installing Elm 2.4 on DEC2100 workstation
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:31:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I've been trying to install Elm 2.4 on a DEC2100 workstation that's
running Ultrix 2.0. The problem seems to involve locale.h and setlocale --
the Configure script properly locates locale.h, but in the final phases of
the installation, when the executables are supposed to be compiled, the
process fails because setlocale can't be located. Any advice? Am I
overlooking something painfully obvious, or is the problem this
now-outmoded version of Ultrix? Are the problems of getting this new
version installed worth the effort? 

I'd appreciate help in this matter. 

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: gwilson@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Gregory Vance Wilson)
Subject: copying outgoing messages in named folders
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:53:12 GMT

Apologies if this is an FAQ, but documentation is scarce --- how do I
tell Elm to save a particular outgoing message in several folders?  I
occasionally want to store messages to "fred" in "=/fred", but also in
"=/project/log" and "=/personal/junk".  

Thanks,

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  Gregory V. Wilson                          || Work as though you lived
  Dept. of Computing and Information Science || in the early days
  University of Oregon                       || of a better nation.
  gwilson@cs.uoregon.edu                     || - Alasdair Gray
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Elm for Esix?
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:13:47 GMT

rob@pact.nl (Rob Kurver) writes:

>In <8OCT199222493807@cnsvax.uwec.edu> tannerrj@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Power = 486 + HST Dual Standard) writes:
>BTW, does there exist a nice overview of changes since 2.3 (e.g. aliasing),
>so I don't have to print the docs and find the differences?
Nice overview, no, 'rambling' list is in the Changes file.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Compiling ELM2.4 on Amdahl uts
Keywords: compile,uts,amdahl
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:20:22 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

A slight correction, to make your 'reconfigs' easier...
eotto@cbnews.cb.att.com (erick.otto) writes:
>	After some hints from syd the elm2.4 PL0 now compiles o.k. on amdahl uts
>	systems. For all of you trying to do so take note of the following !

>	1) Run configure and answer the following questions with response below

>	   When it askes for libraries to include add -lcurses

>	   When it askes for termlib answer with NO
>	
>	   When it tell you it can not find the c library answer with

>			/native/lib/libc.a

>	   When is askes for password style enter GCOS

>	2) After completing the Configure, go to the lib directory and
>	   edit the Makefile. Add the following after the CCFLAGS =

>		CCFLAGS   = -Dvoid=int -Dsize_t=int
Instead of doing this after the Configure run, answer the 'Any additional CFLAGS'
needed with this response.  Then it is used during the configure run, and saved
for future configure runs. 

>NOTE: I wonder what domainize exactly does, could not find anything in the
>      manuals.
Ahh, the mystery of the ages.... It turns a long bang path into user@site

>      I am missing the system/person check in the a)lias functionality
>      What happened here ???
System went away, as Elm no longer does pathalias routing.  Person also
went away as Elm no longer checks to see if a message is deliverable.  There
are too many smart mailers out there, that made that check too unreliable.
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Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235