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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:36:03 GMT

In article <vzhivov.726378090@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
>
>I am certain of that. Also, Al MacInnis of the Flames definitely has a
>harder (and faster) shot than Iafrate. All the players in this
>preliminary competition have really inflated numbers - for instance
>Paul Ranheim won the Flames comp. with a shot over 97 mph - come on!
>This leads me to believe that the players were allowed to skate into
>the shot - MacInnis beat out Iafrate at the All-Star game with a shot
>of 95.4 mph from a standing position. I would suggest that MacInnis,
>had he not been sidelined, would have easily topped the 100 mph mark
>and been ahead of Iafrate.

The last time that Iafrate was at the All-star game, he won the hardest
shot competition and beat Al MacInnis.  I think Heavy Metal Al also
won the speed-skating competition that year also.

Gerald

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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Boivin out for season, Soderstrom healthy
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:53:27 GMT



The FLYERS announced today that Claude Boivin will have surgery to repair
two torn knee ligaments and will not return this season. The injury was
suffered in a collision with Gary Stern (?) of the Flames on 1/2.

Tommy Soderstrom had his heart reexamined today and was given a clean bill
of health. I don't recall the name, but basically he had an extra nerve in
his heart which caused an irregular heart beat. The problem is normally
not life threatening but can be difficult to correct.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pens send 2 to the farm
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:13:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0E7yF.Muq.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

The Penguins have sent RW Mike Needham and LW Jeff Daniels down to Cleveland.
Both are expected to be in the Lumberjacks lineup tonight.  Needham has been
sidlined recently with back spasms, and Daniels has seen limited ice time.
Needham has 5 goals and no assists in 32 games.  Daniels had 2 goals and 2
assists in 30 games.

Lori 
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Jan. 2
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:40:48 GMT

vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

>In article <allan.726216257@st-lina> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>>
>>
>>Here's a summary of Don Cherry's coach's corner from January 4, 1993
>>from a Calgary game at the Saddledome.

>>
>>He questioned Winnipeg
>>management, whether this lesson was sinking in, and asked why
>>they were stacking their team with Russians. 

>Don's attitude towards hiring practices is not an unusual one. Without
>delving into history, one can see today's German neo-Nazis preoccupied with
>having too many Turks working in their country. In Russia itself, there are
>numerous people meticulously counting the numbers of Jews in various
>organizations (just to make sure that not too many of them are in one
>place). Etc., etc.

It is in rather poor taste, in my opinion, to compare Don with the
neo-Nazis.

>But it is truly amazing that in a country like Canada, famous for its
>anti-bigotry laws, you guys have your own xenophobe with his own
>ultra-popular TV show, who raises this question of too many foreigners in
>each and every show of his. 

>By the way, is he also as hateful towards French-Canadians as he is towards
>foreigners?

How many times to I have to say this? DON CHERRY IS NOT AGAINST ALL FOREIGNERS!
He is a supporter of a particular style of hockey, which tends to be the
style of North American teams. He criticizes North American players when
they do something stupid, and he praises Europeans when they do something
good.

If the European player can play the tough, grinding game of the NHL
(and not take cheap shots), then Don is all for them.

To quote Don Cherry... "I'm not racist... I just believe in Canadians first.
Some European players should be playing here, like if you said Mats Naslund
shouldn't be playing here you have rocks in your head. But a lot of the
time you get people coming over from Europe when Canadians would do just
fine."

>>
>>Don recalled people who only a few years ago were criticizing Canadian
>>coaching, saying they weren't teaching Canadians to skate, pass, etc.
>>Only Don stood up to say Canadians were the best. 
>>
>>Don finished with a message to kids... "Don't get caught in the
>>'Canadian Syndrome', where if its Canadian its bad... [Canadians
>>are best...Russians], they're nothing."


>Gee, this man is a truly prolific thinker. He never repeats any one thought more
>than 127 times in one show. 

Well, given the number of times I've had to repeat the "Don Cherry is not
racist" statement, I guess some people NEED to have things stated over
and over. 

And besides, the 'Canadian Syndrome' IS alive an well. If Don Cherry
is one of the few Canadians patriotic enough to try to build up Canadian
pride, so be it.

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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: Peter Forsberg
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:14:26 GMT

In article <1i7s9gINNsrp@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>Is there any word about Peter Forsberg's coming to play 
>with Quebec?  Or is he staying in Europe? 
>

 Peter Forsberg has one year remaining (after this season) on his contract
 with MoDo in the Swedish elite league. However, Peter's contract also states
 that he has the right to leave MoDo after this season to become pro in NHL.

 Peter was kind of doubtful at first about playing in NHL. He didn't want
 to play for a bad team but since Quebec have improved this season, Peter
 has now said that he would like to play in Quebec next season. That Mats
 Sundin plays there has of course also increased the chances of Peter being
 a Nordique soon.

 If any trade between Quebec and Ottawa will occur, as some r.s.h reader(s)
 have predicted, then I think Peter will stay in Sweden.

 Staffan
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From: yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Canadiens 4-1
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey

In article <1ir745INNohi@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
wrote:
> 
> In article <unapu3o@zuni.esd.sgi.com> archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
> >In <1iing2INNa9@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
> >*
> >*I really think there should be a new trophy call the Man Byng which
> >*would be opposite to the Lady Byng.  The winner would be the player
> >*with the highest common point total/penaly minutes at the end of 
> >*the season.  I think that both Gary Roberts and Kevin Stevens would 
> >*be the leading contenders this year.
> >
> >It should be PIM - PTS.  Highest wins.  We could call it the Mike 
> >Schmidt Trophy.
> >
> 
> Nah, that wouldn't work.  You need to give more credit to the skilled
> part.
> 
> For example, at the end of the season:
> 
>                   Points      PIM
> Stu Grimson         4         423
> Marty McSorely     11         401
> Ronnie Stern       71         219
> .
> .
> .                                
> Gary Roberts      121         201
> Doug Gilmour      134         101
> Kevin Stevens     145         223
> 
> Your method would give the Man Byng to Stu Grimson with McHack getting
> runner-up.
> 
> My method of common Points/PIM would give the Man Byng to 
> Kevin Stevens with Gary Roberts in second place.  This gives equal
> credit for toughness and skill.  (BTW, watch out for Ronnie Stern
> taking the Man Byng in a few years).
> 
> >                    Archer Sully      archer@sgi.com
> 
> Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)

Actually Isaac, your method would give the Man Byng to Stu Grimson with
McSorely coming in second. 

Your method might work out if it was 2xPoints + PIM with a minimum PIM of
150 minutes or so.  

Some other players that might win this award in the future are Owen Nolan,
Eric Lindros and maybe Geoff Courtnall.

-Dave.

PS.  Yes Isaac, it was/is very cold up here. It could be worse, I could be
in Edmonton :-)

PPS.  ACK! Nelson, take the Flames off your sig! I think the Flames have
one game since you put them on your sig and we've lost 4 in a row!
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: leafs (PLAYOFFS and EXPANSION DRAFT)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:00:53 GMT

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <allan.726726727@st-lina> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>>By the way, ever notice Canadian teams seem to be hit harder with
>>the expansion rules than American teams? Or mayby I'm just paranoid.

>I think you're just paranoid. :-)

Only because everyone is out to get me...

>Buffalo may lose Darren Puppa or Dominek Hasek.
>Chicago may lose Ed Belfour or Jimmy Waite.
>Hartford may lose Sean Burke or Frank Pietrangelo.
>Los Angeles may lose Kelly Hrudey or Robb Stauber.
>New Jersey may lose Craig Billington or Chris Terreri.
>N. Y. Rangers may lose John Vanbiesbrouck or Mike Richter.
>San Jose may lose Jeff Hackett or Arturs Irbe.
>St. Louis may lose Curtis Joseph or Guy Hebert.
>Tampa Bay may lose Jean-Claude Bergeron or Pat Jablonski.

Yes, it is an impressive pool. (You forgot Detroit in your list.)

>I don't think this is worse than the pool of Vernon or Reese, Ranford or
>Tugnutt, Tabaracci, Whitmore, Fuhr, Racicot, Fiset or Cloutier, and
>Sidorkiewicz or Berthiaume.

It just seems like almost every Canadian team have good goalies that they
could loose, while only about half of the American teams have strong
tandems.

Actually, it may be interesting to know how the NHL board of
governors voted, and whether their vote was influenced by their
pool of talent in net.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: leafs (PLAYOFFS and EXPANSION DRAFT)
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:00:31 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1993Jan11.152959.3030@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.153023.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>> Keep in mind that I'm making these predictions with the Leafs' current
>> line-up (ie. Grant Fuhr in net) -- however, it's entirely likely that
>> Fuhr won't be a Leaf come playoff time.  And if the Leafs are forced 
>> to trade Fuhr (because of the expansion draft) they new players would
>> probably cause me to re-evaluate.
>
>Although the choice between Fuhr and Potvin may be tough, I don't think it's
>that hard at all. The Leafs can keep both of them by protecting Potvin and
>exposing Fuhr. I doubt that the expansion teams would take Fuhr, a 31 year
>old goalie with maybe four more years left in him, who makes $1.6 million 
>dollars a year. His age and the fact that he is overpaid will keep them away.
>

But then an expansion team can pick him and then trade him to another
team who might be interested in him.  Fuhr's salary is a deterrent...
but suppose Detroit continues to get relatively poor goaltending, and
don't win the Stanley Cup...and they are a team loaded with young talent
to swap to an expansion team for the last piece of a Stanley Cup puzzle.
And money is not really an object in Detroit.

Buffalo would be another possibility, though Seymour Knox probably
wouldn't like the salary, but Muckler might ultimately convince him.

Gerald
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Update on Lemelin
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:57:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

The Old Man cleared the waivers this afternoon. Sinden gave him 2 options
1. Providence(AHL)
2. A buy-out settlement on his $277,000 salary and an outright release.

The Old Man said he needs a weekend to think it over and will have an
answer  Monday AM. No goalie coaching position with the B's offered.

-PPV Mark
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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Wings News and Thoughts
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:26:38 GMT

In article <1isul3INN7ah@crcnis1.unl.edu>, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
> 
> What about Drake, Kennedy, Carson, Konstantinov, and Ysebaert?  From what 
> little I've heard around here (Nebraska), I would guess that Kennedy and Carson
> are doing OK, Konstantinov so-so (better than Lidstrom at least) and Drake
> and Y-Jr not so great.  It seems that Riendeau is holding his own this year.
> It will be interesting to see if they protect him or Cheveldae from the
> expansion draft.  What are the top two lines these days?

From the few games I have seen on TV, I have been impressed with Drake. 
Certainly he is no rookie of the year candidate but I don't think anybody
expected that he would be. My opinion is that he has some offensive skills,
plays with a lot of heart, and is not afraid to hit.

Cheveldae will be the goalie protected. No question.

KM
From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Drafting Procedures
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:34:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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After drafting a player, for how long does a team own said player's rights?
i.e., how long before a player becomes eligible to be "re-drafted"?  Is it two
years for North Americans and four for the "rest"?

I know of several players who have been drafted twice (e.g., Joe Reekie in 83
and 85, by Harford and Buffalo respectively, and Hannu Jarvenpaa in 82 and 86,
by Montreal and Winnipeg respectively (aside ... what is Hannu up to
nowadays?)).   Has anyone been drafted three or more times?  Just curious ...

Ciao.

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS Current Roster
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:47:20 GMT

				Method of Acquisition
GOALIES
1	Brian Hayward 		from MIN in dispersal draft
30	Jeff Hackett		from NYI in expansion draft
32	Arturs Irbe 		from MIN in dispersal draft

DEFENSEMEN
2	Rob Zettler		from MIN in dispersal draft
3	David Williams		free agent from NJ (1991)
4	Jayson More		from MON in expansion draft
5	Neil Wilkinson		from MIN in dispersal draft
6	Sandis Ozolinsh		2nd round pick in 1991 entry draft
19	Doug Zmolek		from MIN in dispersal draft
23	Link Gaetz		from MIN in dispersal draft
24	Doug Wilson		trade with CHI for RW K. Toporowski/2nd (1992)
38	Pat MacLeod		from MIN in dispersal draft
41	Tom Pederson		from MIN in dispersal draft

CENTERS
11	Kelly Kisio		trade with MIN for RW Shane Churla
12	Dean Evason		trade with HAR for D Dan Keczmer
17	Pat Falloon		1st round pick in 1991 draft
??	David Maley		claimed off waivers from EDM

LEFT WINGS
8	Larry DePalma		free agent from MIN (1991)
10	Johan Garpenlov		trade with DET for D Bob McGill/8th (1993)
14	Ray Whitney		2nd round pick in 1991 entry draft
15	David Bruce		from STL in expansion draft
18	Mark Pederson		trade with PHI for RW Dave Snuggerud
20	John Carter		free agent from BOS (1991)
21	Yvon Corriveau		from WAS in 1992 waiver draft
44	Michel Picard		trade with HAR for future considerations

RIGHT WINGS
16	Perry Berezan		free agent from MIN (1991)
22	Lyndon Byers		free agent from BOS (1992)
36	Jeff Odgers		free agent from MIN (1991)
37	Rob Gaudreau		from MIN in dispersal draft
47	Mike Sullivan		free agent from MIN (1991)
??	Robin Bawa		trade with VAN for D Rick Lessard

===============================================================================
[Under construction; I have to think about who to jinx next; I have already
jinxed Gretzky, Hackett, and Ozolinsh]
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Mock Draft
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:43:45 GMT

Is there interest out there for a mock expansion draft?  If you have interest
in participating in one, please send your name to me, and also the team you'd
like to represent.  The draft will take place sometime later in the season.

Just as a refresher, these are the expansion draft rules: (if I got them
correctly)

1.	Each current team, including the three new teams from the past two
	years, may lose players.  Each team will protect nine forward,
	five defenseman, and one goalie.

2.	Meanwhile, first-year players (defined as players with one or less
	season of professional experience) are exempt from the draft.  NHL,
	IHL, AHL, and I believe ECHL (not that you'd protect anybody still in
	the ECHL last year anyway) are considered professional experience.
	(This definition is perhaps OK, but the term "professional experience"
	makes me grin.  IHL and AHL are probably less competitive than the
	CIS elite league, and are probably about the same level as the Swedish
	and Finnish elite leagues, so what makes them professional and those
	national leagues not?)  Notable players under this rule include Eric
	Lindros and Teemu Selanne, but not guys like Dimitri Kvartalnov
	(played in the IHL last season).

3.	Then, the two expansion teams will alternate selections and select a
	total of 48 players (24 each) from the existing teams, with each team
	losing two each.

4.	Then, the expansion teams would in turn protect 16 of their 24 players,
	leaving 8 players on each team exposed.  Ottawa, San Jose, and Tampa
	Bay would then alternately select two players each (I believe 3 total
	from either expansion team).

5.	After these picks, the expansion draft is done.

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Jan. 2
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:25:27 GMT

> That's not very hard to believe considering that Tie "I'm a Dumi" Domi
> was the 2nd most popular player on the current $#@% Ranger squad after
> Mark Messier. That's some good company for any player to be in especially
> considering that the %^#$%^#^ Rangers have the #7 all time goal scorer
> on their roster (Mike Gartner*). 

Maybe some of the Rangers fans don't like the way Iron Mike has a
habit of disappearing in the playoffs (except for last year, when you
couldn't blame him for the Rangers' loss to the Pens).  Historically,
he does seem to develop a dead eye for that goalpost in the playoffs
each year.  Hit that iron, Mike :-).  I guess there's just something
about the month of April that doesn't get along with Mike Gartner ;-).
	-Steve
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From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Jagr/Ruzicka/Klima
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:36:23 GMT


Okay, let's see if I have this straight...

Jaromir Jagr: Arrogant S.O.B. who stupidly picks fights with his own teammates.

Petr Klima: Formerly Probert's drinking buddy/doghouse mate.

Vladimir Ruzicka: Harry Sinden's (current) problem child, thinks strike means
end of season, eats too much deli food, illegally parks his black Mercedes.


If I'm not mistaken, all three of these guys are from the (former?) country of
Czechoslovakia.  Someone tell me a good story about an NHL'er from there, 
before I get a complex!!! :) :)
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Expansion and Goaltenders
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:26:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.193441.21708@honte.uleth.ca> std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>There's been some talk about Toronto and their goaltender situation, but two
>other teams come to mind before Toronto with regard to losing a good goaltender
>in the expansion draft. 
>
>The first is Calgary, because they have so many 'tenders who could play
>in the league today including Vernon (possible Vezina candidate for the year),
>Reese, Kidd, and Musatti (sp?).
>

I don't think that Kidd is draft eligible...he is only a first year
player and thus should be exempt...how many years did Muzzatti play
in Salt Lake, and if it is only one, if he spends the entire season
with the Canadian national team this year, will it count as another year
against him.

>The other team that stands out is the Rangers.  Which man are they
>going to trade before then?  They wouldn't possibly keep both Richter and
>VanBies. hoping the unprotected one would be overlooked in the expansion draft,
>would they?
>

Chicago stands to lose Jimmy Waite, Edmonton, Ron Tugnutt, Winnipeg,
Rick Tabaracci, Vancouver, Whitmore...

Gerald
From: jadler@cordelia.its.uci.edu (Jeff Adler)
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Reply-To: jadler@cordelia.its.uci.edu (Jeff Adler)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: na
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:02:43 GMT

A few random thoughts about the B's:

I tend to agree with the anti-moog opinions.  Teams tend to rally around
a goaltender they have faith in - like a good quarterback in football.  If
the team loses faith in their goaltender, the whole team goes down the
tubes (no pun intended).  

I am more concerned about the goal scoring.  Every game the B's seem to outshoot their opposition but cannot score.  I have not seen many games since my exile
to California so I would appreciate if someone can explain to me how the B's
can outshoot other teams on a daily basis and still score so few goals.

Each year Sinden puts together a scappy lineup that plays well enough to win
a few rounds in the playoffs.  The real liability seems to be a lack of
a "goto guy" -- they have not had a real 50 goal scorer for some time.  IMHO
5 guys who score 20-30 goals is not the same as having that "goto guy".  With
Oates and Juneau they have the start.  Trade some of the younger talent for some 
experience (i.e. Nichols, Hull).

Harry had better get on the phone.  Montreal, Quebec, and Buffalo have turned
into good scoring teams and I think that the B's have been too slow to react
to this sudden power surge. 


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Jeff
20 years and still waiting 


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