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From: andy@sunloop.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Reggie Brooks for Heisman
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:53:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Nov8.163244.16264@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>	People can say all that they want about Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst,
>Gino Torreta, and the rest, but IMHO Reggie Brooks deserves some serious
>consideration for the Heisman.

Hmmmm,  first Mirer,  Bettis,  now Brooks.  Why don't we just give it to the
ND MVP ?




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From: ds4@soc4.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some comments (UW & MIAMI)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:25:58 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov8.075544.28678@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager) writes:
|> First, let me say I'm not a fan of any of the top teams (I'm an Illini
|> fan), so these comments should be unbiased.
|> 
|> One thing I was wondering about is why home field advantage is pretty
|> much ignored when rating teams.  I realize Arizona is Miami and Washington's
|> only common opponent.  But I think a key reason for the results of the
|> two games was due to the home field.  Miami barely beats Arizona in Miami;
|> Washington loses in Arizona.  Why should Miami be ranked ahead of Washington
|> just because they were fortunate enough tp play Arizona in Miami?  If the
|> home fields were reversed, we very possibly would have had opposite results.

	If you analyzed the situation a little bit more, you would first realize
that the Arizona-Miami game was right before the FSU-Miami game.  UM probably did
not even practice for the game (at that time Arizona was seen as a scrub).  It
was probably study week for the Canes ;)

	Another factor which is the most important one:  when Miami played
Arizona, (to brutilize a cliche) Arizona was a wolf in sheeps clothing.  Arizona
is a monstorous team and was view as a push over because of some early season
mistakes.  Miami went into that game not prepared mentally and physically to play
the lion they faced.  On the other hand, the guise was up when they played
Washington.  UW new exactly what they were up against, prepared for it, but could
not handle it.  If Miami played UA right now at Arizona, Miami would clobber them.

|> By now I guess I'm just rambling, but after listening to a number of sports
|> commentators say Miami deserves to be #1 and then reading a bunch of posts
|> saying the same thing, I just wanted to add my two cents.  Although Miami
|> very well could be the best team, I have a problem with everyone acting
|> like it's so clear cut now that Washington has lost.  I'd like to see the
|> rankings reflect who the best team is instead of having an ordering largely
|> due to circumstance.  I'd like to see Miami, Washington, Florida St., and
|> Arizona all receive some #1 votes because, to me, not one of these four teams
|> is clearly the best.  An argument could be made for all of them.  But because
|> of circumstances (home field, schedule strength, etc.), Miami will be on top.

Use your mind.  There must be home games.  If you lose at an away game, you lose.
It really is not that complicated.  Plus if a team loses to another team away
which has a much better record, how can you even think of putting the first team
above the second.

Plus 2 of 3 of the teams you mentioned other then Miami, fell to the Canes.  

|> It's definitely time for a playoff system where things could be settled head
|> to head.
|> 
|> Mike Sager
From: fall260@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Drew Bledsoe: overrated
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:06:16 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
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jjungbau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>  stuff deleted................

>against UO this past Saturday).  I am just wondering why he is such a
>clear choice as the number one pick.  Is it because raw skills and
>physical attributes such as a strong arm, good size, etc. are 
>weighted *much* more heavily than other factors such as good field
>sense, consistency, and even mobility?  I'm not even sure he's the
>best QB that could be taken, let alone the best overall player in the
>nation (I've been more impressed with the QBs of our opponents in at
>least three games this year).

You're right......... Vinny Testaverde, enough said. 

>Jim Jungbauer
>Go Cougars, Vikings, Northstars!
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: what if....
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:23:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov11.192341.18296
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>What if Miami loses leaving Alabama and Texas A&M the only undefeated
>teams in the cartel.  Would they be allowed to play each other
>someplace?

No.  The SWC champion is committed to the Cotton Bowl, no matter what.  The
SEC champion is committed to the Sugar Bowl, no matter what.  The Bowl
Coalition really doesn't serve much purpose other than to regularize the
question of who gets to pick who in terms of opponents.  If the season
ended today, the Bowl Coalition agreement stipulates that the three big
bowls of the Coalition (Orange, Sugar, and Cotton) pick the opponents of
their automatic invitees (Big 8, SEC, and SWC champions, respectively) in
order of their rank in the AP poll.  This will happen unless #1 and #2 are
members of the bowl coalition and are not committed to one of the three
bowls above because they won the coference championship.  Then they meet in
the Fiesta Bowl.  There is absolutely nothing which says that the Sugar 
Bowl can't pass up a #1 ranked Miami in favor of a #9 ranked Notre Dame if
they want to.  Sound familiar, anyody?

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From: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Organization: HP IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1dmr5bINN7dn@spica.usc.edu>, valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:

|> >> Oh well.  Fun was had by all, particularly with the announcements of
|> >> the "USC Band Stats" during halftime.  I never saw a final tally, but
|> >> at halftime they had done Conquest 25 times, Fight On 19 times, some
|> >> other random song 6 times, and (the announcement that got our crowd cheering)
|> >> had played immediately after a USC score 0 times. :-)
|> >> 

         ... much deleted ...

|> >> Most college bands I know of try to vary our song selection a bit,
|> >> except for the fight song(s), which are generally only played in
|> >> their entirety after scores.  You will rarely, for instance, hear
|> >> the Stanford Band play the same song twice from the pregame rallies
|> >> to the postgame tailgaters, again except for our fight songs.
              
         ... much deleted ...
|> 
|> Usually I try to refrain in getting into a flame war dealing with worthless
|> jibberish such as what is mentioned above but just can't help it this time.
|> It has become very evident that all what USC opponents seem to care about
|> is to do thing like count how many times our band plays a practicular song
|> and such, instead of showing any intrest or pride on what their own football
|> team is doing.

       ... much chest-beating about Grammy winning albums in the 1970s
           and backing up the most excellent Lionel Richie deleted ...

|> Fight On, Crush The Cats!!
|> 
|> Valdis Kalejs
|> 

Mr. Fight-On, crush 'em Valdis "Trojan" Kalejs:

You are right.  We give up.  Your band has played with Neil Diamond more
times than Stanford's has.  Your band is god-like.  They are better.
Fight-On (TM) and all that stuff.  Conquest is the best fight song since
"On Wisconsin."

I just have two numbers for you.


23 and 9.


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's latest prediction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.123814.16693@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1deb79INNdph@crcnis1.unl.edu> mcdowell@hoss.unl.edu (Scott McDowell) writes:
>>In <1992Nov6.165646.6772@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>
>>>For those of you who missed it, Lee Corso last night predicted that ... 
>>
>>>And it looked like he really pissed off Tom Osborne.
>>can someone fill us in on the details?
>
>Too bad.  Lee deserves to get even after the way Osborne crushed his IU
>team something like 69-0 a long time ago... :^)

	Double too bad.  Osborne reconfirmed himself last night as the
	biggest sour puss ever.  That poor Kansas coach just wanted to
	joke around, but Tom was stoic as ever.  I wonder if he knows
	how important college football is in the grand scheme of things?

	Naaa.  Not in Nebraska!
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From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowls (was Re: SU 41  Pitt 10 / Bowls...)
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:51:46 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <168956FDE.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
>There's no way Syracuse will play in one of the "big three" even if SU
>beats Miami.  If Miami were to lose to Syracuse they would still be ranked
>higher than Syracuse in the Dec 6 coaches' poll and would thereby be
>declared the Big East Champion.  The Big East runnerup cannot play in any
>of the "big three" bowls.

[This isn't a flame, I'm just trying to speculate on the Bowl matchups
and get feedback in case my own impressions are wrong.]

As I understand the bowl agreement, the first tier teams are the ACC champ 
(FSU), Big East Champ (Miami--you're right, they'll stay ranked ahead of 
Syracuse), Notre Dame, and the two highest runners-up from the ACC, Big East, 
SWC, PAC-10, and Big-8.  The Big-8, SEC, and SWC have their locked-in bids 
to the Orange, Sugar, and Cotton respectively.

The Big East and ACC champs are guaranteed a spot in the one of the 
"big three".  This means that five of the six teams in the big three
will be the Big-8, SWC, SEC, Big East, and ACC champs.  The remaining
spot then goes to Notre Dame or to either of the two highest ranked
runners-up.  

Right now, it looks like the runners-up will be North Carolina or
NC State, Syracuse or Boston College, Texas, Southern Cal, and 
Kansas or Colorado.  (Please, no flames if I snubbed your favorite
team--this is just hypothetical.)  That means that the two teams
playing in the first tier would be #9 Syracuse/BC and #11 USC.
If this is the case, then the Bowl Coalition would have included the 
top eight teams not locked into the Rose Bowl.

Let's then assume that the teams go according to current rankings.  
This isn't guaranteed with the coalition, but we're being hypothetical 
anyway.  Then, the Bowls would look like:

   Sugar:  Alabama     (#4)  vs.  Miami      (#1-tie)
   SWC:    Texas A&M   (#5)  vs.  FSU        (#6) 
   Orange: Nebraska    (#7)  vs.  Notre Dame (#8)
   Fiesta: Syracuse/BC (#9)  vs.  USC        (#11)  (*)

(*) Isn't this forbidden by the Pac-10?  Does the bowl coalition take
this into account, or would USC have to pass and give the spot to 
Kansas/Colorado?

If Notre Dame stumbles (quite possible), then the winner of the Syracuse/BC
game could move up to #8.  That would put them into the Orange Bowl.
If I remember correctly the recent article that I read, the Orange Bowl is 
indeed looking at a Nebraska-Syracuse matchup.

Okay, Mark M., where did I go wrong with this?

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marsee Ratings & Predictions for 11/07/92
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:20:00 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Wed 11 Nov 92 21:06, Pruett@b15.ingr.com (debbie Pruett)
wrote:

> 

 PP> BAMA should not be that far back!
 PP> certainly not behind Notre Dame!!
 PP> Get some new computers!!!!!!!!:wq!

Do you have to quote the whole damn thing?  Chill on the excessive quoting,
dude.

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Speed Bump for Michigan (was: "Re: Alabama better than Michigan")
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:07:15 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.013412.29877@netcom.com>, alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
> murphy@rock.enet.dec.com writes:
>> I think it is most interesting how quiet the OSU people have been while
>> we wait for the OSU-UM game.  

	Shhhhh!  We're hunting wolverines. :)
> 
> It seems that OSU people do a lot more posting after a loss than after
> a win.  Our motto: "We'd rather call for the coach's head than woof."
> 
>> But I think that OSU should be considered as at least a speed bump for
>> Michigan, 
> 
> Well, Michigan looked invulnerable until last week, and we still don't
> know which OSU team will show up.  For now, I'm worried about Indiana;
> we play at their place and will be looking ahead to Michigan.

	Strange as it may seem, I think we have more of a chance of losing to
Indiana than to Michigan.

	Also, I was hoping the rest of the little nine would lull Michigan into
complacency.  Instead they now know that they must play hard in every game :(.

Brett
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Big East Preview for November 14, 1992
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:35:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.190323.26000@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
|> In article <BxM4C7.JvJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
|> > 
|> > Big East Preview for November 14
|> 
|> > Prediction:  Louisville 20, Pitt 14.
|> 
|> Interesting.  Of the 33 entrants in the Big East Contest, all
|> 33 pick Pitt to win this game.  Which, I guess, shows the
|> advantage/disadvantage of picking all the games in advance of
|> the season.  Personally, I like it the way it is.  It is also
|> a lot easier to administrate this way.  Opinions?

You've got a point about the ease of administrating the pool, and
it does force people to study a team more than they might normally
do in pre-season.  For example, the only thing I knew about Louisville 
back in August when I picked this thing was that Darryl's computer 
picked the team to go 0-11 back in July - that was good enough for
me to pick Pitt to win at home.

On the other hand, there are lots of games (especially as the
season went on) that I went the other way on in Chris' pool (not
that it helped any), and I found myself wondering what I was thinking
when I picked the game back during the summer.  For example, this
week, I'd change my picks of Pitt over Louisville, Va Tech over So. Miss
(can you believe VT is only a 1 point underdog?), and Rutgers over WVU.  
I'd still pick Syracuse over BC (although I'm not nearly as confident as 
I was back then) and Miami over Temple, but that still is 3 out of 5 games 
this week that I'd currently switch.

Either way, the pool is different, it's fun, and I'd probably just leave 
it the way it is.  Hey, at least I'll have Temple right at 1-10 (along
with half the other participants).  

|> "Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: horned frogs
Summary: grass
Keywords: horned frog
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:23:33 GMT

HEY! Did ya notice the cool picture of a horned frog in the
grass at TCU?

... AWESOME!!

(One tends to wonder whether they sport an actual live mascot, 
and if so, how many get squished by thoses out of bounds pile ups,
or by marching bands doing formations?)

Hey, marching band people, wipe your feet before coming inside.
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:56:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Nov9.125649
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <BxGnBJ.E57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>>I think it was actually the other way.  The lack of PDunn's prediction of
>>their win hurt their chances significantly.  Or maybe it was lack of a DOME
>>and they had to play outside in crappy weather (Youngstown St all over again).
>>Or maybe the scoreless first half was a carry over from the week before in
>>which they looked lathargic after halftime against ISU (I was at that game).
>>Road games in Illinois always scare me (as a Panther fan).  I'm glad Western
>>Ill is in the dome next week.

Probably the crappy weather.  But I'd rather blame Dunn, easier target.
>
>As for the rankings, if they are done properly, with no bias toward later games
>the number 1 ranking could legitimately go to one of many teams inc UNI, 
>Delaware, or the Citadel, etc.  In fact, if Florida A&M still only has two
>losses (with one against Miami which I never count in my rankings anyway),
>they could claim number one as well.
>
>It will be an interesting week in the IAA r.s.f.c poll.

Yes, all DivIAA teams have at least one loss.  Quite a few of the
highly ranked teams feel in the last couple of weeks, especially
against weaker competition.  
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Udub??  What is a "udub"???
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:59:06 GMT

swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu wrote:
: > BTW is this the reason Arizona kicked Udubs ASS this weekend? UW is the best
:                                         ^^^^^
: Ok, we learned what a "t-sip" was a few months ago, what the heck does
: "udub" mean??  I know it is a some sort of Washington put-down, but
: where/how did it originate?
: 
: Just curious.....

Now David, certainly you've been around long enough to know that...
You're not just fishin' are you?    :^)

(really, this isn't a bite, just a nibble)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: The REAL top five
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:23:52 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <ASH.92Nov9083043@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>1. Florida State
>2. Alabama
>3. Michigan
>4. Miami
>5. Notre Dame
>

I agree with the top 3, but where is Wahington?  I'll rank it either #3 (ahead
of Michigan) or #4, with ND #5.

- Louis




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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Nebraska and patsies
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.012820.25077@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>
>Well, Nowledge U runs over another patsy.  When are you guys going to start
>playing some real teams?

Shall we start talking about A&M for a change? The pasty NU ran over
beat the sh*t out of a Baylor team which almost beat A&M in the home
turf? Another pasty beat tech 35-0 (or something like that) gave
A&M a run for their money? (I'm not even going to mention Stanford!)

When are you guys going to play some real teams?

>- goober (just one more question...why did i pick the patsy to win) smith

Njan
From: WILLIAM.S.BILL.W.ZUK@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("William S. Zuk")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: What Ever Happened to Dome Eddie?
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:22:58 GMT
Organization: W L I, Lowell, MA


Excerpted from the Boston Globe, 11/6/92:

"A man who wore an orange wig and an oversized blue bow tie and raced
around the Carrier Dome cheering at Syracuse football and basketball
games has settled a lawsuit with the school.

Edward Orlick - better known as "Dome Eddie" - sued the university in
New York Supreme Court last November, claiming the school allowed two
fans to assault him in the dome after a 1989 men's basketball game.
He was hospitalized for seven days with a broken leg and damaged
knee ligaments.

Orlick said he agreed recently to an out-of-court settlement for
$17,000.  He had sought $600,000.

Orlick says he was tackled by two unidentified fans Jan. 29, 1989,
after Syracuse beat Providence, 100-96.  The suit claimed the university
had an obligation to protect Orlick because of his status as a
mascot-entertainer.

'People say they miss me', he said.  'I added a lot to the games.'"


- Bill Zuk

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