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From: eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin)
Subject: Re: "Feminazis" and the "abortion holocaust"
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:31:33 GMT
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In <1efg8sINNcc9@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr) writes:
>(The application to the attempted genocide comes from our viewing ourselves
>as a united community, and seeing that community utterly devastated.)  Even
>if every fetus aborted were a murder (even that's a poor usage, because
>murder implies intent to kill, which the aborting woman doesn't have because
>she doesn't think the fetus is alive...), I find it very difficult to imagine

They think the fetus is alive, I'm sure, but not human. The nazis took the
same position with respect to the Jews. That's the awful thing, the exceptional
thing - not just the body count, not even the attempt to exterminate entirely,
but the denial of humanity. And the use of the word holocaust - however
effective or ineffective as a polemical device - reflects the fear and 
trembling many of feel at a society that is beginning to define its members
away.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:09:26 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WARRENS NAZI'S SLOGAN ( was:Re: Oral sex )
 <2867@israel.nysernet.org> <4497@bimacs.BITNET>

In article <4497@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) says:
>
>In article <2867@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>
>sign his article as:
>
>>--
>>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
>> |__/__/_/
>> |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."
>>/ nysernet.org                             Gideon Ehrlich
>
>
>
>I mentioned the fact that warrens slogans :
>" it is better to expel Jews than to oppose Arabs"  Is a Nazi's one.
>
>warrenn agreed on a previous article that my translation is correct,
>he hope the Israeli army to do the job for the PLO and to expel jews
>from where ever they want .
>But he says that a translation may partially reflect the translator
>ideas.
>So far he did not offer any alternative translation to his Nazi's
>slogan.
>
>Putting the warning about the feature of the slogan is not a
>justification for continuing using it.
>Even some countries permit propaganda for cigarets when a warning is
>added, No country as far as I know aloud to do the same with heroin.
>
>Warren repeatedly expressa  Nazi idea on this net.

What precisely is his "Nazi" concept, that Jews shouldn't live in the
occupied territories? I wasn't aware the Nazis had a position on that.

>He reprasents the usual moral-like leftists talk style,
>they , generaly speeking, are driven by a blind hatered to Jews
>but looked like supper-moral ones.
>Warren never write in English the ideas he expresses  in Hebrew in
>his poisoned slogan.
>
>He should be stopped.
>
>  Shalom      gideon
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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:59:26 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal

In <1992Nov16.222719.5719@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com sez:
>
>Lemrick Nelson's lawyer used this mistrust in a highly theatrical
>presentation to convince the jury that the police, by not recording
>every single detail in a RIOT situation, had in fact made it all up
>instead of living through it.  And the jury lapped it up.

Golly, I completely forgot about the "riot exception" to the rule that
the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  I'll have
to go back and reread _In re Winship_; can't imagine how I missed it.

In the meantime, Jake, thanks for bringing this revised jurisprudence
to everyone's attention.

-- 
	  When gun purchases are subject to a waiting period,
		     only waiters will have guns.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:32:48 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov22.015718.26169@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>>The only solution for x! = x ( or \Gamma(x) = x, if you wish)
>>is x = 1...
>
>Or x = 2, nicht wahr?

A gut Kinder!

Now, after we got 1=2, we can easy solve all other problems.
Anybody out there kept the whole proof?

Simon Streltsov,
Boston Univresity

"If you go on the road and come to a fork - Take it!"
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is "GLATT" in reference to Kosher airline food?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:04:53
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: ph105fcd@sdcc14.ucsd.edu's message of 23 Nov 92 19:20:58 GMT

In article <41483@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph105fcd@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:

   I've been informed by the FAQ for rec.travel.air that Kosher meals
   on airlines are "glatt" and "double sealed."  What do these terms
   mean?

"Double sealed" means that it's impossible to open on the tiny tray on a
bumpy flight.  Seriously, it actually is sealed with two layers, and
it's designed so that the flight personnel never touch the inner seal,
much less the food.
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From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Re: Vatican Recognition of Israel - Who Needs It?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:15:06 GMT

rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:

>This is an honest appeal for help.  Could someone explain to
>me the reasons for the heat of Israel pursuit of Vatican 
>recognition?  

>This pursuit is beyond me.  I would think that the Vatican 
>might be interested, in its new ecumenical image, in fostering
>a position of tolerance to the Jewish State.  But that is hardly
>the case.  Indeed, it is the Vatican that is reluctant and 
>Israel the ardent suitor.  Why?  What does Israel want from such
>an alliance which will only involve more pressure to 
>internationalize Jerusalem, and to favor Vatican claims over those
>of rival churches?   Taking sides in such a dispute can only bring
>troubles.

I really don't know - however, I've read that the Vatican is eager to
establish relations so that they can have a greater role in the mideast
peace talks as well as (probably) more talk of internationalization of
Jerusalem.  

>Of course I am also the guy who could little understand Israel
>participation in the Spanish "renunciation" of the 1492 order
>expelling Jews from that country.


>__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
>Jerusalem

Ed.

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From: esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern)
Subject: Re: Kosher pork in the diabetic?
Reply-To: esafern@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:56:13 GMT

In article 722148559@uieea, henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe) writes:
>I have been under a general understanding that with regard to medication
>rules of kashrut are often set aside.  For instance when a capsule containing
>gelatin is the only available formulation for a medicine it is absolutely
>fine to take the pill.
>
>How has the issue insulin been treated.  For a long time there were two
>sources of insulin from beef (without a heksher) and from pork.  Many people
>are allergic to the beef insulin and were required to use the pork (it
>is much closer to human insulin).  More recently human insulin has been
>made synthetically in large enough amounts to be commercially available.
>TThe human insulin is FAR more expensive than the other two, and  generally
>only paid for by insurance if beef and pork have proved inneffective.
>
>My assumption  would be that pork insulin is perfectly kosher since  it
>is used to save  life.  I would also be interested to know if this is
>how the issue is handeled by Kupat Holeem?
>
>henny

As I understand it, you can take the gelatin encapsulated pills even if other
sources are available.  It just doesn't matter.

This is not because of life threatening issues, but because pills are not food.

Kashrut laws apply only to items consumed as food.  Anything which is a 'refuah'
(a 'cure')  is completely exempt from Kashrut laws.

So, toothpaste does not require a hashgacha, and in fact often contains chalk,
which is really the bodies of crushed-up, dead insects.  This MIGHT be treif
if consumed as food.

Same (probably) for vitamins.

All bets are off on Pesach, however, where we can't even *own* Chometz (leavened
bread).

Please CYLOR first, however.



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From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:03:54 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
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In article <9211150344.AA14346@host0.COLBY.EDU> <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))> writes:
>How can the plural of tallis be talitot? It's not a feminine noun, unless it's opne of the oh-so-cute 'feminine with masculine form' like 'iyr' (city).
>If it is masculine it would be tallisim, according to my Hebrew textbook...
>
>JJ
>

In my 14 years as a professional Hebrew teacher, I gained a reputation
for being very patient. UseNet may be my undoing. The questioner
states "It's not a feminine noun" although I have already replied
(I believe three times) that it most certainly is a feminine noun.
You do not need to take my word for it (heaven forfend). LOOK IN
THE DICTIONARY. That is what it is for. Take your pick, and let 
me know when you find one that says talit is masculine.

Jack F. Love

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From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Subject: Re: Jonathan Pollard...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.033922.27579@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>I don't know the legal definition, but my dictionary's first
>definition is
>
>   trea.son n  \'trez-*n\
>      1 : the betrayal of a trust : PERFIDY, 
>          TREACHERY
Treason is also a legal term and I think it's the only crime mentioned
in the constitution. The legal definition, I've been told, specifically
addresses aiding an enemy of the US. There have been countries that have
been designated enemies of the US, but Israel is not among them. 

That being the case, the crime is not one of Treason.
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@karin.att.com
From: henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kosher pork in the diabetic?
Summary: is pork insulin kosher?
Keywords: pork insulin diabetes
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:49:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I have been under a general understanding that with regard to medication
rules of kashrut are often set aside.  For instance when a capsule containing
gelatin is the only available formulation for a medicine it is absolutely
fine to take the pill.

How has the issue insulin been treated.  For a long time there were two
sources of insulin from beef (without a heksher) and from pork.  Many people
are allergic to the beef insulin and were required to use the pork (it
is much closer to human insulin).  More recently human insulin has been
made synthetically in large enough amounts to be commercially available.
TThe human insulin is FAR more expensive than the other two, and  generally
only paid for by insurance if beef and pork have proved inneffective.

My assumption  would be that pork insulin is perfectly kosher since  it
is used to save  life.  I would also be interested to know if this is
how the issue is handeled by Kupat Holeem?

henny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Kahane
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:29:37 GMT

In article <6NgguB1w165w@corner.wpb.fl.us>, murray@corner.wpb.fl.us (Murray
Kahl) says: 

>I also remind you that the inability of Arabs to live peacefully
>with Jews is ever prevalent and recognized.

Huh!  And I always thought it was the Jews' inability to live peacefully
with Arabs that was the problem.  (:-> for the sarcasm-impaired.)

>Exactly whom do you feel the Arab members of the Knesset represent if not
>the PLO?

If you have documentation of this, please present it, to us and the
Knesset.  As far as I know, the Arab MK's represent their constituents;
namely, Arab citizens of Israel.

>All one has to do is ask the family of Helena Rapp, the 15 year old school
>girl who was just sliced up at a bus stop in Bat Yam.

That was terrible and tragic, but what do the Arab MK's have to do with
it?  There's a lot more evidence linking Kach/Kahane Chai with the
murder of a 70-year-old Arab man than there is to link Israeli Arab
MK's with the murder of Helena Rapp.

>While your statement is all inclusive and clearly not true, Kahane was a
>saintly figure, the victim, the scapegoat, the paradoxically gentle man of
>violence with a weapon in one hand and a mea culpa in the other.

Oh, please.  "Gentle man of violence" indeed.  I don't know about
Kahane, but the actions and statements of his followers in Israel in
the past few days seem to indicate that they are bloodthirsty rabble
more than "gentle" or "saintly."

>I revere him
>as such, as a figure of courage, somebody whose moral substance makes the
>rest of us feel like moral shadows;

Speak for yourself here.  I don't claim moral superiority over anyone,
but I sure as hell don't claim moral inferiority to Kahane.

>What did Horace mean
>when he wrote the lines dulce et decorum est pro patria mori? It is sweet and
>right to die for your fatherland and so Kahane did.

You haven't read the poem (argh!  Wish I could remember the name/poet) which
ends:

"That Big Lie/ Dulce et decorum est/Pro patria mori."

It is never sweet or right to die violently, no matter what.  G-d commanded
us to choose life, not death.

And your use of the word "fatherland" troubles me.  To hear a Jew utter
that word is quite disturbing.

--
David F. Skoll
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: mezuzah question
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:49:13 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

> In article <1992Nov20.183336.17262@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. 
> >In article <1ej3rhINN9tg@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alex
> >>
> >>I read yesterday (in what I would call a not-great source which happened to
> >>be selling mezuzot) that their mezuzot were suitable for your home or offic
> >
> >Give them half a chance, and they'll sell you a mezuzah for your
> >car, too.
> 
> Wow!
> 
> What's next?  Mezzuahs you can wear around your neck?

  Never seen one? My sister carried a golden one when she was 10 years old
  (almost 35 years ago!)

   
  

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From: whimsey@nevada.edu (Lord Peter Wimsey)
Subject: Kosher Food at conventions and other matters
Originator: whimsey@helios.nevada.edu
Organization: Snark Hunters, Ltd (Limited to snarks, no boojums)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:49:59 GMT

   Dear netters,
    I am pleased to announce that starting this year, there was a kosher
   food stand at COMDEX here in Las Vegas, run by Lubavitch, and that 
   they will also be present at CES (Consumer Electronics Show). 

     On an entirely different matter, will the person who claimed that
   Pollard's info caused the death of 120+ agents, sleepers, resources, 
   etc... in Iraq please provide evidence? Amazingly, I've heard stories
   of US actions that caused the death of Israeli assets. And in the 
   book 'Every Spy a Prince' (title?), the authors mentioned that the
   US was upset at Israel for killing Ali Hassan Salameh, a terrorist chief
   who organized the Munich massacre and a truly nasty
   character, but a CIA contact. Although this is an example of Israel
   killing a CIA contact, I don't see any problem with it. 
   Just because someone is an intelligence asset
   doesn't mean that they are a noble person risking life for the U.S. They
   can still be evil people whose absence would only improve the world.
     I should mention that I have been involved in intelligence matters,
   and that I truly doubt the veracity of the claim of all those deaths.
   
                                                    TTFN,
                                         whimsey@helios.nevada.edu 

 

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From: chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell)
Subject: Re: early man.
Organization: Department of Statistics
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:44:45 GMT

In article aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>Lets say that we find bones of a, [what] science say[s],
>is [a] 10000 years old man.
>Do we have to treat it as a remains of a man ?
>What about 12 milion year old human bones ? 

I don't know.  However, I can relate a relevant story:

When my brother-in-law, an Orthodox rabbi, was looking at my collection
he was about to pick up a Dinohyus vertebra when I warned him.  It was,
after all, a fossil pig (a big one - Dinohyus is Linnaean for
"thunder-pig").  He assured me that since the specimen was 30 million
years old (Eocene) it no longer counted as a pig, but a rock, and is
kosher.  I suppose its legal to carve an fork from it (but I wouldn't
let you). 

I'll ask him about the time division.  I don't know what his less
enlightened colleagues who don't believe in evolution would say.

Rick.

--------------------------------
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<> University of Wisconsin at Madison <> chappell@stat.wisc.edu
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:16:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.135430.11120@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.134129.11889@umbc3.umbc.edu>
>shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>
>>In article <9211202025.AA11645@cyclone.sbi.com>
><gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>
>>>warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:
>
>>>> The tallisists go around putting tzitzit on everything possible.
>>>           ^
>
>>>Caught ya!!  You closet Ashkenazi!
>
>>Should it have been "tallitittt go around putting tzitzit on everything
>>pottible?
>
>Wait a minute.  I thought one only put tzitzit on clothing, not on food or
>drink.  Putting tzitzit on potable items might bring us back to the great
>4-cornered hamentasch debate of a couple Purims ago.

Or Warren's tzav pinui, which (I assume) means a [four-]cornered turtle,
which may or may not be required to have tzizit.  (Does a turtle
"wear" its carapace?  And what if a person wears a turtle?)


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Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:14:42 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Nov19145408@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>All recognized Jewish movements (of which Messianic Judaism is
>*not* one) do share a common notion of what G-d is, of G-d's unity,
>and that the Messiah has not yet come. These are standard Jewish
>beliefs that do not change.

Well, one of them will change, when the Messiah comes. The others
won't.

This reminds me of a joke... Someone asked a Reform rabbi, "When
the Messiah comes, will he be Reform, Conservative, or Orthodox?"
The rabbi said, "Orthodox, of course. That way everyone can eat
in his house."
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Yogi Berra online
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:13:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.032145.29808@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.210703.8003@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>>Yes, the wit and wisdom of this great man is now available in archive form.
>>(Why is this is s.c.j?  Who cares!)
>   Well, there's the halachic issue of presumption of observance. ie.
>       "Hu loh over ad sheh hu over."

Ah yes, Yogi was one of a kind.  Sort of a "berra bifnei atzmo."
(Coincidentally [if you believe in coincidences :-)], daf yomi
recently discussed the halakhic problem of bari versus shema.
Go for it, punsters!)



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Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
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