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From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:51:37 CDT

In article <BtypEB.E4v@well.sf.ca.us> mitchell@well.sf.ca.us (Mitchell Gass) writes:
>I'm planning a 10-17 day bike camping trip to Washington and Oregon,
>and I'd like to hear from other riders.  I'll be leaving from Seattle
>on September 20.  Of the many sights--Mt. Rainier, Olympic Peninsula,
>Oregon Coast, Crater Lake, others--which should I choose?  (Mountains
>aren't a problem; I love to climb.)  Are there any outstanding guidebooks
>and maps?  Great places to eat?  Places to stay if I want a night out
>of the rain?
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Mitchell Gass
>mitchell@well.sf.ca.us

For the Oregeon Coast section, an indispensable book is _Bicycling the
Pacific Coast_. I don't have author information here at work, but I can get
it at home if no one else comes up with it.

It has a cross-section elevation map for each "day" (50-90 miles), along
with detailed information on campgrounds, towns, grocery stores (I think),
etc. We used it from British Columbia to San Francisco and it was a
priceless source. (I liked it much better than the BikeCentennial maps.)

I bought my copy from BikeCennial Press, but I also saw it in several
bicycle and camping stores on the west coast.

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From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: wanted: bike route through Castroville
Originator: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:31:50 GMT


[My first posting never appeared, so here's a second
attempt.  Excuse this if the first one appeared on
your machine.]

I'm planning to ride from the Bay Area to Monterey
in a couple weeks, and I'm trying to plan a route
that stays off busy roads as much as possible.
Last time I did this route, I ended up on Route
1 from Watsonville to just past Castroville (as
described in the book _Bicycling_the_Pacific_Coast_),
but that was less than fun -- it's busy and pretty
much without a shoulder.  So I've been looking
for alternatives.

It looks like I can get from Watsonville to near
Castroville on back roads, but I can't complete the
route.  It looks like I either have to get onto
Route 1 for a couple miles at Moss Beach, after
which I can get onto side roads, or get onto Route
156 for about a mile into Castroville.

In _Bicycling_the_Pacific_Coast_, there's a mention
about their route meeting the bike path from Castroville
south of town, but of course I can't find that path on
any map.  I'm wondering where the path goes, and whether
it goes north of town to connect with the back way from
Watsonville.

If you know anything about biking around that area,
please drop me a note.

			Thanks,
			Rich
			rw@cs.stanford.edu
From: richmond@acsu.buffalo.edu (James J Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: WANTED: organized century in Buffalo, NY area
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:44:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

My riding partner and I (Hi Greg :) ) are looking for a century in the Buffalo
NY area.  We've been riding fairly regularly this season, and were hoping to
top it off with a nice century.  Between our two schedules it would be best if
it were a weekend, or failing that a Sunday.

Jim

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From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Subject: Urbana Century Ride
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:36:13 GMT

On Saturday, October 3, the Central Illinois Racing Team will sponsor a
centry ride.  If you want more information, call Peter Davis @
217/352-7600.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:42:40

In article <1992Sep2.145137.25173@walter.cray.com> toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:

   In article <BtypEB.E4v@well.sf.ca.us> mitchell@well.sf.ca.us (Mitchell Gass) writes:
   >I'm planning a 10-17 day bike camping trip to Washington and Oregon,
   >and I'd like to hear from other riders. 

   For the Oregeon Coast section, an indispensable book is _Bicycling the
   Pacific Coast_. I don't have author information here at work, but I can get
   it at home if no one else comes up with it.

When I took my son in the trailer along the Oregon Coast this summer,
it seemed like everybody but us had the book, so I got lots of chances
to look at it.  Most people followed the book, too, so the campgrounds
that it recommended were frequently very crowded with bicyclists, and
other campgrounds were considerably less crowded.

Be aware that there are errors;  things change.  We stayed the night
at Sunset Bay State Park (which is very nice).  The book said that the
hiker/biker area was four miles further along the road, up a hill.
Those who believed the book had a futile climb at the end of the day!

-- Anne
From: calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.COM (Christopher Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Sierra to the Sea '93
Date: 4 Sep 1992 00:38:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: nw
NNTP-Posting-Host: suzies

In article <81800001@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> ecc@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Ed Cirimele) writes:
>                     SIERRA TO THE SEA '93
>
>The  cost is $285 and includes transportation from San Jose to
>the start of the ride in Columbia and from  San  Francisco  to
>San  Jose  at  the end of the tour, plus all camping fees, six
>dinners and two breakfasts, sag support, gear  transportation,
>a souvenir water bottle and a T-shirt.
>
Does anybody know of similar rides that do NOT have sag support and
food?  Basically, I want to buy organization: routes, mileages etc,
but want to be self-sufficient like the good 'ole days?

Thanks!  `Chris


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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Welcome to rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:28:12 GMT

I'm pleased to see that this group is alive and well.
Here is the charter, in case you don't remember.

rec.bicycles.rides: Discussions of tours and training or commuting routes.
Not for disussion of general riding techniques -- see rec.bicycles.misc.
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From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: rides around Westport, Conn
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:18:16 GMT
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

I'll be in Westport Connecticut from Sept. 11-Sept. 14, do you know of 
any good trails around there.  I am primrily interested in trails
for road bikes.

Thanks,

Lew Berman
From: sam2747@shuksan.boeing.com (Scott Moody)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Fun/Hard mt bike ride near Mt Rainier (Report)
Keywords: steep hills
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:55:37 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.


CLIMB: Three Sister, south east of Buckley and Enumclaw, north west
       of Mount Rainier. Washington State near Seattle.

DATE:  Saturday, August 29, 1992
WHO:   Scott, Laura, Neal
WEATHER: Sunny but not too hot.

BIKE:  Mountain Bikes

RIDE:  50 Miles on logging roads, leaving White River Ranch 
       in Buckley (our house), riding to Wilkeson (8 mi), then heading
       UP HILL 4500 feet to the top of Three Sister. One way 25 miles.
       There was water along the way and we used filters. 
       Some long steep stretches on good surface roads. 
       The last 3 miles are on shale which is very hard to ride on.
       Lots of shade until near the top so not too hot.

       Met some people shooting rifles to 800 yards away, and quoting
       Patton. Met others who were hunting a bear they saw and chased with
       about 8 dogs (didn't get it).

TIME:  4:30 up and 2 hours down.

VIEWS: Great views of the north side of Mt Rainier and the peaks
       nearer such as Picture Mt, Old Baldy, and Burnt. Could look
       over to Crystal Mt, Suntop, Grass Mountain, and way
       out to Stuart and other cascade mountains. We could
       even look down and see the large Connels Praire and our
       house. Then look over to Lake Tapps, and all the way to the
       sound.

DESCENT:
       The 25 miles back to the hot tub were great (after the first 3 miles).
       The roads weren't very rough which was appreciated since
       we don't have shocks (yet?). 

       50 hard miles definitely made the legs tired the next day. We 
       have to keep up those rides and maybe someday we can race
       at Crystal Mountain without pushing the bike the whole way
       up :-)

NEXT:  Burnt Mountain is our next objective which should have a
       great view of Rainier and the carbon river. 
       (Others: Naches Pass, Dalles Ridge, Corral Pass,
       or no_name_point.4500' near Picture Mt).

-- 
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From: warton@ssd.intel.com (Peter Warton)
Subject: ATB areas in Pacific Northwest
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:27:00 GMT

	I recently bought a mountain bike and I am looking for places to 
ride in and around the Portland area.  I tried Larch Mountain this weekend, 
but my friend and I were chased off by some hard-core red-necks.  I've heard 
a lot about Forest Park and I was wondering if any netters had been there. 
Any recommendations would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance...


Peter Warton
_______________________________________________________________________
warton@ssd.intel.com
I don't have the lungs to speak for Intel.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mitchell@well.sf.ca.us (Mitchell Gass)
Subject: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:46:58 GMT

I'm planning a 10-17 day bike camping trip to Washington and Oregon,
and I'd like to hear from other riders.  I'll be leaving from Seattle
on September 20.  Of the many sights--Mt. Rainier, Olympic Peninsula,
Oregon Coast, Crater Lake, others--which should I choose?  (Mountains
aren't a problem; I love to climb.)  Are there any outstanding guidebooks
and maps?  Great places to eat?  Places to stay if I want a night out
of the rain?

Thanks for the help!

Mitchell Gass
mitchell@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner)
Subject: Re: Mountainbike in St. Louis
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:26:23 GMT

mac4@cec1.wustl.edu (Miguel Angel Cotignola) writes:

>Hello everybody;

>I just got a new bike and I would like to go for a day ride.  I have some
>information about where to go and how to get to this place, but I need

>	Miguel
>        mac4@cec1.wustl.edu
>        935-2140
>  
Sorry, I can't give you a ride, but if there is a good place for MTBing around
St. Louis I'd like some info. I'm about 3 hrs from St. Louis but a camping/biking weekend isn't out of the question.  Thanks.


Ride on, 
Raydude.

"Ray, a man unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought." 
          -a Brannonism quoted by George Heinz
From: joe@ima.isc.com (Joe Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Biking in Portugal
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:44:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ima.1992Sep04.174424.20266
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302

Has anyone bike-tripped in Portugal lately?  I'm really wondering about
The Eternal Question (viz., where to store a bike box around the Lisbon
airport for two weeks), but any other general comments would be appreciated.

Obrigado.
--
Joe Chapman	joe@ima.isc.com
From: walden@misty.boeing.com (Bill Walden)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:33:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

Thomas writes:

>For the Oregeon Coast section, an indispensable book is _Bicycling the
>Pacific Coast_. I don't have author information here at work, but I can get
>it at home if no one else comes up with it.
I believe he's referring to the book written by Tom Kirkendal (sp?) and Vicki
Spring(s) which is published by the Mountaineers.
>
>It has a cross-section elevation map for each "day" (50-90 miles), along
>with detailed information on campgrounds, towns, grocery stores (I think),
>etc. We used it from British Columbia to San Francisco and it was a
>priceless source. (I liked it much better than the BikeCentennial maps.)
>
>I bought my copy from BikeCennial Press, but I also saw it in several
>bicycle and camping stores on the west coast.
REI has them. I didn't get a chance to fully read it, but what I saw
looked good.
>
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Disclaimer - I don't even belong to the Mountaineers, I just read their books.

                         Bill

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From: kfiles@virtual8.harvard.edu (Kirby Files)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Good Ride from Boston area
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:56:59 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

I am planning on going on an overnight 'blading trip this weekend or
next, and am trying to find a good bike route out of Boston.  The plan
is to go about 60 or 70 miles out to a nearby campground and stay the
night, returning the next day.  Does anyone know of a good campground
to go to that is close at hand, at if it has any scenic routes to it.
Good paths or wide shoulders are a plus, as are few hills and no sand
or gravel.

Sorry for the out-of-place post, but the two sports actually share the
same sort of routes, and I would have done this on my bike until it
was stolen 3 weeks ago :(

Thanks in advance for all responses,

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From: bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:15:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep1.221501.16013
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company; Rochester, NY

Thomas Driemeyer writes:
>
> I am also singularly unsympathetic when people complain about traffic
>jams - they are not *stuck in* a traffic jam, they *are* the traffic jam.
>                                          Thomas Driemeyer

   Heee, heee...    This quote's a keeper...




--
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 ______________________________________________________________________
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From: mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mark Magennis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Keywords: innovations
Date: 24 Aug 92 17:18:28 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

My number one innovation is synthetic leather replacements for shoes, saddles
and shorts padding. Why? Because I'm a vegetarian. Second is effective and
wearable helmets because I like my head the way it is but I just can't stop
crashing. Number three has got to be neoprene booties because not only do they
keep my toes warm on Scottish winter rides but they've also enhanced my sex
life no end! Number four is flashy desirable mountain bikes because they get
nicked while my dirty old racer gets overlooked. Can't think of a fifth.

Mark

-- 
___________________________________________________________
mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk		Mark Magennis
				Dept. of Computing Science
				The University, Glasgow, UK
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:31:13 GMT

Ken Clark writes

> I have to admit that I've been riding elliptical cranks for about five
> years now, at cadences from 70 to 120 (average around 95), with no knee
> problems and no difficulty.

That's probably not such a forced admission as you make it out to be.
Besides, I wasn't aware that these devices (elliptical chainwheels) were
touted to be either good or bad for knees.  I think their claim was that
you could ride faster or farther or some such ever popular concept for
bicycling.

> My limited study of engineering would suggest that an elliptical chainring
> could indeed have advantages.  I don't think anyone would try to say that
> we humans put out even power throughout a revolution.  So is the 'uneven'
> cadence the proposed problem?  Is that it?

I can't imagine what the limits on your engineering studies were but I
have never seen a mechanical and dynamic analysis of such devices that
ever showed any advantage... now or 100 years ago when chain drive replaced
many such non uniform motion mechanical linkages.

It may not be obvious but no work is wasted when you push down on the brass
rail (or on the floor) at the bar while bending elbow.  If you could push
on rapidly rotating pedals as hard as the guy at the bar pushes down on the
floor, you could be world champion... and not even be out of breath. The
point is that no energy is lost by the sinusoidal motion of the pedals
because only the work counts, not the non-work force.

Since you can't fool physics it makes no difference what the variation in
rate is (assuming the stroke is appropriate) so the other main consideration
is dynamics.  Although you claim to spin Biopace, it is generally perceived
to be difficult and I can see that an irregular rate requires acceleration
that otherwise would not occur.  Since the old rule F=ma is true, work is
required to just keep up with the pedals.

I think this has been beaten around plenty.  The votes are in and Biopace
is out.  Of course if you prefer this system, I have no complaints but I
don't think you should suggest there is some advantage in it for general
bicycling.

jpbst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 22:03:29 GMT

rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>[Quoting Cycling Plus (August 1992, p. 13):
>	Shimano combines the dual-pivot design with a special lever.]

Which is to say: you could get the same braking from the hand lever
mechanism combined with any high-leverage calipers.

BTW, the dual-pivot design weighs more than regular calipers.  A fair
comparison pits a stiff and heavy side-pull against the dual-pivots,
rather than the normal comparison of light side-pulls against heavier
dual-pivots.

		;-D on  ( Pivotal evidence )  Pardo
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Keywords: innovations
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:20:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BtI0r9.5rw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber) writes:
>I have an arguement for you....
>
>You are obviously a road biker.  Because if you were a MTN biker that did
>anything off road, you would realize that indexed shifting is the god of
>MTN bike components.  Because without it, Shifting would be a real bitch
>on all of those bumps.  It's not quite as easy to "find" a gear when your
>teeth are being jarred loose.

You don't have to be a MTN biker to like indexed shifting.

Commuting to work can be a teeth jarring experience too!!!!

Flip


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From: bobnob@west.darkside.com (Allan "Arnold" Anders)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:54:24 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

ramer@cis.uab.edu (K. Ramer) writes:

> In article <130@noah.sbc.com> gs7413@noah.sbc.com (Bert Soto) writes:
> >In article <2A8AA85F.27636@ics.uci.edu>, self@pasteur.ics.uci.edu (John Self
> >> 
> >> I'd like to use Presta valve tubes in wheels drilled for Schraeder
> >
> >You shouldn't have any problem doing this.  I didn't.  Go ahead and use 
> >the valve nut but don't tighten it down very hard.  Just make sure and 
> >check the nut periodically so you don't lose it.
> ALSO:
> You can also help by getting a grommet to downsize the Schraeder hole to 
> more nearly fit the Presta valve.
> 


Many bike shops sell "rim gromets" to downsize the holes in the rims, 
however, they're quite a rip off.  If you need gromets, go to the local 
hardware store and ask for "electrical gromets." They come in a variety 
of sizes, just get the one that's the same size as the rim hole.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: msp2@hera.uucp (22321-seda-poulin)
Subject: How do you protect a bike from the elements?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:21:42 GMT

My employer used to provide a bike rack inside the parking garage.
Because of construction, that bike rack is being moved from its
indoor location to an outside location.  Because the "elements"
(rain, sun, snow) can "age" a bike quickly, I am trying to find
a way to protect my bike if I have to park it outside.  
If you commute to work by bike and have to park it outside,
I would like to find out what people do to protect it.
Any ideas?
						Marta Seda-Poulin
						msp2@cc.bellcore.com
						msp2@hera.cc.bellcore.com