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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Et in Arcadia ego
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:44:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Jeremy Henderson writes:

	But more recently Balliol is better known as *horror of horrors* 
	the cradle of Oxford Marxism, under the guidance of its famous 
	Master, C. P. Hill.

If this is true -- and I hope it is -- then Baliol is doing no more than
echoing the words of one of her Victorian sons, Matthew Arnold:

	Whispering from her towers the last enchantments of 
	the Middle Age ... Home of lost causes, and forsaken 
	beliefs, and unpopular names, and impossible loylties!

Eschewing Correctness is always what Balliol was partly about. Floreat 
Baliolo!

							Fido

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From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles)
Subject: Re: literary lions
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:50:58 GMT

One book which deals quite well with the whole subject of lionization is
Peter Dickinson's THE OLD ENGLISH PEEP SHOW or as it was called in America
when first published A PRIDE OF HEROES. The story concerns two old men
who led a great albiet failed battle during World War II and have been treated
as heroes ever since. They are running a bit low on cash, so they open
their stately home as a torist attraction called Old England, refered to
by the General as "that bloody peep show". The story proper begins when
an old retainer hangs himself and Scotland Yard, in the form of Superintendent
Jimmy Pibble is called in. The figure of the lion is a recurring metaphor,
In fact, a real lion, obtained in order to bring in the tourists, plays a vital 
role in the story. 

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer:
"I am the chosen vulture swooping down on the lion" thought Jimmy Pibble.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken)
Subject: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:11:47 GMT


It was a dark and stormy night.

So said the scrap of paper that the madman pressed into his hand.

Is there no escape from the Law?

Now he is a fugitive, and among these streets he runs.  His crime
is a murder, a careless word, an afterthought.  

He enters the market.  An old friend notices him, and they meet. 
He looks into her nervous eyes.  In seven sharp words, she is calmed.
They go to her apartment, and lie together as the warm summer breezes
play with the curtains.  He looks away, deep into the amber night sky.

Ludwig is coming.  For a moment he had forgotten his vigilance.  He puts
on his shirt, his pants, his shoes, and leaves without waking her.  

He moves among the crowd.  He thinks, for a moment, that love is not
nonsense.  That in a chaotic universe, man looks for all the wrong sorts
of order.  And then he is caught.  Ludwig drops upon him like the Finger 
of God, and tells him that now he will be tried, that he has forfeited his
freedom, and that there shall be no homely pleasures for the rest of his days.

Andrew Aiken

  
From: pamm@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Pam Milligan)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:39:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: The Secret Garden (and Wind In The Willows)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books





>[Then a whole bit envying an author who in a book
>that just happens to be on the KIDSQUIZ this month manages to get
>rid of a set of inconvenient parents with an angry rhinoceros.]

Can anyone tell me what the title of this book is?


	
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From: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com (Joel Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A rose is a rose is a rose.
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:44:21 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale California


              somewhere i have never travelled

         somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
         any experience, your eyes have their silence:
         in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
         or which i cannot touch because they are too near

         your slightest look easily will unclose me
         though i have closed myself as fingers,
         you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
         (touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose

         or if your wish be to close me, i and
         my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly,
         as when the heart of this flower imagines
         the snow carefully everywhere descending;

         nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
         the power of your intense fragility: whose texture
         compels me with the color of its countries,
         rendering death and forever with each breathing

         (i do not know what it is about you that closes
         and opens; only something in me understands
         the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
         nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands


                                           e. e. cummings
From: idathon@uts.uni-c.dk (Hans O. Nymand)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Book about gangwars in LA
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:26:07 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

Hi all,

I'm looking for a certain book about gangwars in LA. I saw this book in a B.
Dalton's bookstore in LA a couple of months ago, but now I can't remember
title, author or publisher.
 
I only remember the cover, which had a picture of a black guy standing with a 
machine-gun. The book was on display at the counter so it has to be a rather
newly published book.

Does anyone know which book I am talking about? 

Henrik Sahlholt
(d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)
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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:42:05 GMT

In article <6NOV92.00551980@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:
>
>>>Women sometimes forgive those who force an opportunity, never those 
>>>who miss it. 
>>>       --Talleyrand 
>> 
>>Very true. 
>
>Do you really think so?  Then you must have even less tolerance for the
>concept of "date-rape" than I and Camille Paglia have.

I meant the above comment in terms other than rape and physical force.
"Forcing and opportunity" in the above context means seduction or perhaps
a proposition rather than violence.  Date-rape is rape as far as I'm
concerned and rape is a violent crime.  This is my opinion and not a
suggestion for a thread.

I apologize, I didn't think before I jotted that comment down.  If I had
been thinking a little clearer I would have added a qualification.  Please
forgive me.

Joan




Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.british
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: British novelist suicide?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:53:00 GMT

I heard that an award-winning British novelist, Richard
Burns, hanged himself a month ago. Does anybody recall
seeing news of this, and if so, when did it happen?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Well-Met in Manhattan, part 1
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:38:07 GMT


donz@ui.org (Don Zirilli <aka Posthumous O'Toole>) writes:
 
> While we leaned against the rail, whistling etc., and I slowly overcame the
> melancholy feeling of having my dream of sheila suddenly fade into a
> reality of sheila, (I eventually took comfort in the fact that even her
> lovely body, as I perceived it, was an illusion of sheila, just as her words
> were, and that, as always, reality had nothing to do with it.
 
Even after meeting sheila, I find that I still read her with the same
little voice in my head -- the one that sounds like the dwarf/psychic
in POLTERGEIST.  So, it doesn't matter that in real life, sheila does
not have the little voice, or even a trace of a Texas accent.
 
 
Mark
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Help find me some criticism
From: <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 16:30:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have to write an essay for my history class regarding "Odd Women"
by Gissing.  Where can I find some literary criticism(with heavy slant to
social history) on this book?
Even more generally, how can I find any literary criticism on any book or
periodical?  In other word, what's THE index on the literary criticism?
PS:No, I am not trying to cheat.  I read the boring book.  It's just that
   the book is very hard to relate to, and I don't know what to write about.
   If anyone can give me a hint or two, I will deeply appreciate that too.
Thanks in advance.
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From: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com (Cecil N. Jones)
Subject: Re: _MERCY_ by David L. Lindsey (& other p
Reply-To: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:06:16 GMT

>In article <BxBKnz.J9o@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes:
>>I just finished reading MERCY by David L. Lindsey and it was absolutely
>>marvelous...The story, about a serial killer, was incredibly interesting
>>and the writing is exquisite.   >>I was also wondering if anyone has read any other Lindsey? >>The end paper
>>says that he's written 5 novels but it only lists one other, IN THE LAKE
>>OF THE MOON.  If anyone can give me information on any of this, I'd really
>>appreciate it...
>>Thanks
>>elizabeth ruby


I have read  IN THE LAKE OF THE MOON,  HEAT FROM ANOTHER SUN (both of which are police procedurals), and BLACK OIL, RED DEATH, all by Lindsay. I have just purchased, but not yet read, COLD MIND, his first novel, and another police procedural. He has some others also, including a new one that came out a few months ago, but I don't remember the names.

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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Summary: Holocaust metahumor in MAD
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:53:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsd.1992Nov7.055330.6282
Organization: AT&T

In article <pquince.721074003@blacks>, pquince@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Quince) writes:
> 
> I have never heard a funny holocaust joke; most prey on the prejudices
> and fears of ignorance; and such 'sarcastic' humor is a failure of 
> spirit.  But humor that is part of understanding and coping with 
> terrible realities is valid, I think.  Only it has an appropriate 
> time and place as well.

Back when HOGAN'S HEROES was a new show ( I think I was in junior high )
MAD did one of their usual sendups on it. At the end there was an
editorial note that there was actually nothing funny about POW camps
and the question was posed, What next? a Death Camp sitcom?

There followed one frame of a bunch of emaciated inmates sitting
around cracking Borscht Belt one liners about life in a Death Camp.
Metahumor, I guess, but there it was.

Something I often ponder is stuff like HAGAR THE HORRIBLE which
makes a joke out of some of the most truly horrible acts committed
by humans against one another. Obviously, the remoteness in time
and place of the actual events allows this.

In the same category is the sanitized image of the pirate that
is so ubiquitous. I guess the appeal is something like the
"Stockholm Syndrome" in that we identify with the powerful
figure of the situation. The pirate isn't the one that gets hurt.

Back on the subject of political prisoners, there are myriads
of jokes about dungeon inmates and their guards and torturers.
Sometimes these have a presumed medieval theme, but they are often
in a nondescript setting, so that I think they may qualify as
being about "torture of political prisoners" although it's a bit
of a stretch. 


Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:31:05 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Graham "rant 'n rave" Redgrave writes:

	Amnellisms: "Look at the poor sap, doesn't he look funny taking me
	^^^^^^^^^^
	seriously, chuckle, chuckle"

Let me guess, Graham, feeding my over-inflated ego?  It won't burst.
How fast can we get `Amnellism' into the OED?  Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: BOOK: Hollywood vs. America by Michael Medved
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:24:48 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <13044@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
} 
}# #As for flag-burning -- it's one of the most effective ways for a
}# #liberal to discredit himself.  Why would I interfere with a person
}# #shooting themselves in the foot?
}# 
}# Well, I can't see why, either, though why it discredits someone isn't
}# clear to me.  But a hell of a lot of other people on the right want
}# a constitutional amendment, no less, to prevent this.  I don't hear
}
}They do?  George Will wrote a column about this: "Leave Mr. Madison's
}handiwork alone."

Which is hypocritically inconsistent with his support of repealing the 2nd
amendment.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: RE: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:17:04 GMT
Organization: Clark University


joan@med.unc.edu (Joan "Feminist with a Sense of Humor" Shields) writes:

>In article <6NOV92.00551980@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:
>
>>>>Women sometimes forgive those who force an opportunity, never those 
>>>>who miss it. 
>>>>       --Talleyrand 
>> 
>>>Very true. 
>
>>Do you really think so?  Then you must have even less tolerance for the
>>concept of "date-rape" than I and Camille Paglia have.

Joan:

>I meant the above comment in terms other than rape and physical force.
>"Forcing and opportunity" in the above context means seduction or perhaps
>a proposition rather than violence.  

Hmm, it seems a bit more ambiguous to me, but then I'm not aware of
the quote's original context.

>I apologize, I didn't think before I jotted that comment down.  If I had
>been thinking a little clearer I would have added a qualification.  Please
>forgive me.

Don't apologize!  Apologies are a patriarchal construct, a hegemonic
metanarrative of the female experience.  And we can't have that. 

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:44:55 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>Don't apologize!  Apologies are a patriarchal construct, a hegemonic
>metanarrative of the female experience.  And we can't have that. 

   "Don't whine.  Woman warrors talk in a husky whisper."

                                            
                                                -- jf
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: literary lions
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:50:02 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1drnnjINNn3r@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov11.181345.21178@grebyn.com>, fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
> 
> 
> [long article containing many excellent points about the literary lions deleted]

Another use: lion as Christ figure in C. S. Lewis's _Narnia_ books.
"Aslan" was the name of the lion and I always wondered where the name
came from.
-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: GENIUS:Life/Science of Richard Feynman
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:50:34 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

Recently finished this new biography of Richard Feynman, late theoretical
physicist and all around neat guy. While I basically liked it (who couldn't?
it's about Feynman's life), I was disappointed by the meaningful neglect of
material in SURELY YOU'RE JOKING and WHAT DO YOU CARE. I know that Gleick
probably felt that anybody who's gonna read his book will have already
read those two books, and so maybe he didn't want to tread on old ground,
but I would have liked at least some effort at contextualizing the events
that Feynman discusses in his book (when in his life he took up drawing,
etc.), if not re-telling them to some degree. I also figure that Gleick
felt obliged to make it science-heavy, to constrast with the other books,
which is fine, except I know my head started spinning when he was discussing
some of these theoretical particle physics concepts... I dunno... I can't
really fault Gleick, but I can't say I loved the book, and considering the
topic, I feel I should have.
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.032824.17843@samba.oit.unc.edu> joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:
>Yea, Tom, but he's kind of a cute megalomaniac - though he doesn't hold a
>candle to you, in terms of being cute not megalomania.

	While I thank you for the compliment (though remaining somewhat 
mystified as to the term "cute" as used in this sentence), I must point out
that this sentence parses oddly.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary (was Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:24:55 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

In article <6NOV92.17170481@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>joan@med.unc.edu (Joan "Feminist with a Sense of Humor" Shields) writes:

>>I apologize, I didn't think before I jotted that comment down.  If I had
>>been thinking a little clearer I would have added a qualification.  Please
>>forgive me.

>Don't apologize!  Apologies are a patriarchal construct, a hegemonic
>metanarrative of the female experience.  And we can't have that. 

Thank you for the suggestion, Heather, I'll keep it in mind for future
reference.  As I was not apologizing to you specifically, there was really
no need for you to be concerned.  I can assure you, I am a big girl and
am quite capable of making decisions regarding my behavior all by myself.

I do appreciate your concern but there really is no need for you to
worry.

Wet fishes galore,

Joan
I'm wondering if Heather was looking thee last time I apologized for how I
said something....
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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Subject: Re: Theodore Dreiser
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.230731.14816@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
|>      _Sister Carrie_ is a compelling, interesting book -- one of the best I 
|> have ever read. And yet I have never heard a kind word for Dreiser's writing.
|> Can someone explain why not?

Well, I'll have to admit that I'm one of those that doesn't consider Dreiser
is a particularly good writer. That being said, I also think that Sister Carrie
is a "significant" novel, largely because you must consider the time in which
it was written (1900, or there abouts). Two things need to be considered:

First, at the turn of the century, with Victorian morals very much in 
vogue, Dreiser had a heroine who was a "fallen woman", yet she succeeded,
rather than being punished for her sins.

Secondly, Sister Carrie specifically, and Dreiser generally was breaking new
ground in writing novels of the city, reflecting urban life. Most American
literature up to that time had more rural themes.

All IMHO, of course, but I find it much easier to read Dreiser when keeping
the above in mind.
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From: pmd@cbnews.cb.att.com (Paul Dubuc)
Subject: Re: BOOK: Hollywood vs. America by Michael Medved
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:57:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.081803.417@genie.slhs.udel.edu> (Tim Starr) writes:
}In article <1992Nov4.180518.20115@cbnews.cb.att.com> (Paul Dubuc) writes:
}}I only agree partially with this.  Seems to me that parents can't always
}}be enforcing the standards while "anything goes" in the larger society.
}}At some point, shouldn't we be able to trust others not to sell beer
}}and cigarettes to our kids, or to rent X-rated videos to them, or admit
}}them to "topless" bars?  We make laws to enforce standards like this.
}}Placing all responsibility in the hands of parents might be a good argument
}}against such laws.
}
}If your goal is to raise your children where they won't be able to purchase
}those things, then you should contract with the sellers not to do so, or make
}some other peaceful arrangement.  These kinds of transactions don't violate
}anyone's rights, so coercion (legislation) isn't justifiable on liberal
}or libertarian grounds.

Not that this is my goal, but this isn't a bad idea in itself.  I'd put
the burden of making such contracts on the minority who want much broader
access to these things for their own kids than the community generally
allows.  I guess I just don't see all the world through liberal or
libertarian spectacles.  I don't find any compelling reason to, in this
case.

-- 
Paul Dubuc    |   "To consider persons and events and
att!cbvox!pmd |   situations only in the light of their
	      |   effect upon myself is to live on the
	      |   doorstep of hell"	Thomas Merton
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: RE: literary lions
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:05:05 GMT


hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu (Heather) writes:

> The story that follows is taken from George Plimpton's book SHADOW
> BOX, which is full of fun anecdotes, some of them concerning the
> endearingly testosterone-crazed Norman Mailer.
 
Speaking of Plimpton and lions -- isn't his book PAPER TIGER about
the Lions?   :-)
 
 
Mark