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From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Creationist misrepresentation of Colin Patterson
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

As t.o. regulars are already aware, creationists regularly misrepresent
British Museum paleontologist Colin Patterson as a supporter of their
views, despite the fact that he has explicitly disclaimed this (see,
for examples, the _Creation/Evolution Newsletter_ vol. 4, no. 6,
1984, pp. 4-5, and _Nature_ vol. 332, 1988, p. 580).

Recently, I discovered that the director of animal care and a prof.
of pharmacy at the University of Arizona is a creationist.  He wrote
a letter to the Tucson-area evangelical Christian publication _Good
News_ in response to a letter from me.  I stated in my letter that
there is no creation/evolution debate within science, and this
gentleman responded by claiming that Colin Patterson was a recent
convert to Biblical Christianity.  I called him to ask for his source,
and he claimed he read it in a recent (within the last six months)
issue of either _Acts & Facts_ or _Impact_, most likely the latter.
I checked the last year's worth of _Acts & Facts_, and the last two
years of _Impact_, and was not surprised to find no such thing.  I
called the ICR and they were surprised to hear that this guy was claiming
to have read such a thing--they hadn't heard about it.
   So, it turns out, this guy either misinterpreted, misrepresented,
or made it up.

   I'm posting this because I'd like to be notified if anybody else
hears or sees this claim made anywhere.  It has appeared in print now
(as a letter to the editor in the September 1992 _Good News_ from John
Mulder), so I will not be surprised if it starts circulating throughout
the creationist community.  I've already sent them a letter of response
and hope to see it in the October issue, but it may end up spreading
before that.  (I hope nobody misreads this message as support for the
claim.  Lionel:  Colin Patterson does NOT support creationism in any
way and is NOT a believer in Biblical Creationism.)

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Subject: Re: Is Antti a JW? (was Re: macroevolution)
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:33:26 GMT

corey@sdf.lonestar.org (Corey Carroll) writes:
>What the fuck are you talking about, Antti?  I use curse words all the
>time, where I feel it is appropriate.  The *point* is, that Jehovah's
>Witnesses aren't supposed to curse.  Remember Ephesians 4:29?

	Yes, but I don't curse. 
-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint

	No ITU, love, evolution.           Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Subject: Re: macroevolution
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:18:41 GMT

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>I guess you are good with maths as well. Add together all the
>years Finland belonged to Sweden, and compare it with the years
>Finland *belonged* to Russia. Based on your twisted sense of 
>geography you would live in Sweden just now.

	I'm not claiming anything about Finland, but North Carelia. OK, let's 
	count:

		1323 Peace at P{hkin{saari - NC still in Russia
		1595 Peace at T{yssin{     - -------"----------
		1617 ----"--- Stolbova     - NC part of Sweden 
		1725 the Great Hatred      - NC under Russian Occupation
		1742 the Lesser Hatred     - -----------"------
		1809 the peace at Hamina   - NC belongs to Russia
		1917 Finnish independence

	And now the maths: North Carelia was less than 200 years under Swedish
	rule (with Finland) and 700-800 years under the rule of Novgorod or
	Russia. 

>Anyway, all this is silly anyway, because Finland has been an
>independent state since December 6, 1917.

	This makes things more complicated, but in a way NC is now a Finnish 
	"colony". I don't say this with separatist ideas at all.

>Stop lying, you will not be part of the people that will rule
>Earth when Jesus arrives if you continue spreading lies about Finland.


	Tell me, what is wrong with the chart I gave you above ? What am I 
	lying in it ?
-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint

	No ITU, love, evolution.           Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !
Xref: sparky talk.origins:11189 alt.atheism:16988
From: lbarrass@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: worthless comic strips
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:36:52 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


  It appears to me that the only thing wrong with BC is that paranoid
evolutionists disagree with it, which in their eyes makes it wrong. All the
flack the strip has received recently shows a real fear of anything opposing
evolutionary views.  Don't fall into the trap many evolutionists accuse
creationists of, that is to suffer from tunnel vision.

  I haven't noticed any posts condeming yoga/meditation/eastern philosophy in
public schools. Don't be a Christophobe.




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From: fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM (Steve Fritzinger - SE Sun Washington,DC.)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: worthless comic strips
Date: 14 Sep 1992 13:27:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: triguy.east.sun.com

In article mvp@netcom.com, mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt writes:
 
 >    (V) Humans and dinosaurs are contemporanious. (B.S.! Thanks to those on
 >talk.origins that pointed this out).
 
 You needed talk.origins to point that out to you?  Hmmmmmmm.
 Mike Van Pelt                          Here lies a Technophobe,


Actually, remember the Dinomation exhibit?  It's a bunch of
life sized dinosaur puppets with some robotics built in
which allows them some limited motion.  The advertising
says "See Dinosaurs LIVE!!".

Last week, I heard a story on the radio concerning the shows
current tour in Memphis (I think).  According to the curator,
so far 5 people have demanded their money back because the
dinosaurs at "LIVE!!"



Steve Fritzinger   --  steve.fritzinger@East.Sun.COM
The First Rule of Holes:
When you're in one, stop digging.

Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: Re:  WA down fri 16:xx
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:46:04 GMT

> Date: 11 Sep 1992 16:12:59 +1000
> From: Douglas Ray <ray>
> Subject: WA down fri 16:xx
> 
> the link from the national hub to western australia seems to be down.

thanks to the good auspices of mssrs huston, pedaste, and telecom, the
link seems to have been fixed sometime around 18:30.

Initial diagnostics indicated the fault was in a telecom bmux
(melbourne), but I haven't heard the final story.

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

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From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: Re:  Downtime: Vic2 hub, Fri eve
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:39:42 GMT

* the vic2 hub is back up.

* the line to UNISUPER (cocam) is DOWN.
  (looks like the problem is telecom or the cocam site)

* there will be FURTHER DOWNTIME on vic2 next week, one of the MCI cards
  seems to be stuffed.

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

> Date: 10 Sep 1992 15:09:23 +1000
> Subject: Downtime: Vic2 hub, Fri eve
> 
> Regarding:	vic2.gw.au
> Downtime:	22:00-23:00	Friday 11-9-92
> 
> Sites affected:
> 		BHP research (Melbourne)
> 		ACCI
> 		Bureau of Meteorology
> 		UniSuper (COCAM)
> 		Aeronautical Research Laboratories (Melbourne)
> 		dabooks
> 		Telecom Research Laboratories (Clayton, Melbourne)
> 		Leading Edge
> 		*** places connected through these sites
> 
> The VIC2 hub (AARNet affiliate members) will be down during Friday
> evening while some X.21 appliques are installed.
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: unimelb mail stalled
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:26:01 GMT

the mail centre of unimelb.edu.au, muwayb, has suffered a disk crash.

mail for aarnet-contact@unimelb.edu.au will not be seen till this
VMS box is fixed - if anyone wants to get a message to us please
mail directly:
		ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
or		doug@munnari.oz.au

further news will be posted when available.

						- douglas ray
			not just now	>>> >>>	doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: gih900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Subject: Solar Interference on Satellite circuit to the US
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 06:41:42 GMT

OTC  have  provided us with a schedule of times where the satellite circuit to
the US may be degraded due to solar interference. 

(Solar interference occurs when the satellite eclipses the sun.  This  eclipse
occurs  over  five  days,  twice yearly at each earth station, causing service
degradation for several minutes. It cannot be avoided.) 

Date		AEST

September 8	0951	8 minutes
September 9	0951	7 minutes
September 10	0952	5 minutes
October	  5	1024	4 minutes
October	  6	1022	7 minutes
October	  7	1021	8 minutes
October	  8	1021	8 minutes
October	  0	1022	5 minutes


Geoff Huston
AARNet
-- 
Geoff Huston,                           	e-mail: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au
Manager,	 				phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network		fax:   +61 6 249 1369
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From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Monash University
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:28:55 GMT

The 2Mb service that connects CSIRO Clayton and Monash University to AARNet
has been steadily degrading since 7:36 this morning. The fault is with
Telecom and is "a bearer problem at the Clayton exchange".

As soon as this service is restored, we'll let you all know ...

Peter 
-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
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From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: unimelb/muwayb back on air
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:46:50 GMT

The central mail centre for unimelb.edu.au, muwayb, is back on the net.
It's processing a backlog of some 250 mail items marginally faster than
new mail is spooling in, so you could call the service 'sluggish'...

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms
From: ray@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Douglas Ray)
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
Subject: Downtime: WEHI/Ludwig/RMH fri morn
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:29:50 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Melbourne


Downtime: 08:00 - 09:00		Friday 11-9-92
Affected sites:
	Royal Melbourne Hospital
	Ludwig Institute
	Walter and Eliza Hall
	Melbourne Uni Faculty of Dentistry
	Melbourne Uni Dentistry Branch Library

Maintenance on the cisco router at Royal Melbourne Hospital will put
them and associated sites off the net early Friday morning.

The cisco's power supply is being replaced because of repeated failures.

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

-- 
"Now, the real world is not like that;  otherwise, advertisements would
not be needed to tell you that it is."	(Radio 3AR, Science Show)
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: gih900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Subject: NSI Scheduled Outage Notification
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 06:35:14 GMT

The Nasa Science Internet folks have advised us of a scheduled
break in the AARnet connection to the Internet.

The details provided by NSI are:

	Outage Date:	8th September 1992

	Outage Window:	1700-1800 AEST
	
	Affected Sites:	AARNet, Australia


Geoff Huston
AARNet

-- 
Geoff Huston,                           	e-mail: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au
Manager,	 				phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network		fax:   +61 6 249 1369
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: Downtime: vic2, tues eve
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:33:27 GMT

Downtime: 22:00-23:00	Tues 16-9-92

Sites affected:

	BHP research (Melbourne)
	ACCI
	Bureau of Meteorology
	UniSuper (COCAM)
	Aeronautical Research Laboratories (Melbourne)
	dabooks
	Telecom Research Laboratories (Clayton, Melbourne)
	Leading Edge
	*** places connected through these sites

The VIC2 hub (AARNet affiliate members) will be down during Tuesday
evening while an MCI card is replaced.

(If there is an urgent reason to have this done at some other time then
let me know)

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms
						phone	 344-4262
						messages 344-4488

Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Subject: Re: Monash University
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 05:16:54 GMT


> From pte900 Thu Sep 10 11:29:21 1992
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:26:43 +1000
> From: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>
> To: aarnet-contacts, aus.netstatus
> Subject: Monash University
> Content-Length: 279
> 
> The 2Mb service that connects CSIRO Clayton and Monash University to AARNet
> has been steadily degrading since 7:36 this morning. The fault is with
> Telecom and is "a bearer problem at the Clayton exchange".
> 
> As soon as this service is restored, we'll let you all know ...

This megalink came back at 11:40:15 and has been stable since.


Geoff Huston
-- 
Geoff Huston,                           	e-mail: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au
Manager,	 				phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network		fax:   +61 6 249 1369
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: WA down fri 16:xx
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:13:12 GMT

the link from the national hub to western australia seems to be down.

further news as it comes to hand.
						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: Re:  Downtime: Vic2 hub, Fri eve
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:39:44 GMT

* the vic2 hub is back up.

* the line to UNISUPER (cocam) is DOWN.
  (looks like the problem is telecom or the cocam site)

* there will be FURTHER DOWNTIME on vic2 next week, one of the MCI cards
  seems to be stuffed.

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

> Date: 10 Sep 1992 15:09:23 +1000
> Subject: Downtime: Vic2 hub, Fri eve
> 
> Regarding:	vic2.gw.au
> Downtime:	22:00-23:00	Friday 11-9-92
> 
> Sites affected:
> 		BHP research (Melbourne)
> 		ACCI
> 		Bureau of Meteorology
> 		UniSuper (COCAM)
> 		Aeronautical Research Laboratories (Melbourne)
> 		dabooks
> 		Telecom Research Laboratories (Clayton, Melbourne)
> 		Leading Edge
> 		*** places connected through these sites
> 
> The VIC2 hub (AARNet affiliate members) will be down during Friday
> evening while some X.21 appliques are installed.
Newsgroups: aus.netstatus
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: Monash University
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:59:20 GMT


>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:26:43 +1000
>From: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>
>
>The 2Mb service that connects CSIRO Clayton and Monash University to AARNet
>has been steadily degrading since 7:36 this morning. The fault is with
>Telecom and is "a bearer problem at the Clayton exchange".
>
>As soon as this service is restored, we'll let you all know ...

Well we have not been told that anything is fixed, but the link is
back up.

Peter
-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
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From: jacob@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jacob L. Cybulski)
Newsgroups: aus.ai,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: error tolerant English parser
Keywords: English parser, error tolerance, Common Lisp
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:36:01 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

jiang@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jiansheng Jiang) writes:
>  1. are there any approaches better than using ad-hoc methods for analysing 
>sentences containing structural errors?

Well, I am not sure how you classify "ad-hoc", but most of the practical
NLP systems deal with ill-formedness one way or another. E.g. Wilks developed
the Preference Semantics which he showed to work well with ill-formed
sentences (whether syntactically or semantically), Schank worked on the
concept of "interestingness" which would let you deal with semantically
incorrect sentences, Zadeh came up with fuzzy interpretation of meaning
(not on the level of syntax though), and then there is the whole heap
of people working on connectionist parsing which would accomplish exactly
what you want, here is a list of refs (which may not be entirely what you
want):

Fass, D. and Y. Wilks (1983). Preference Semantics, Ill Formedness,
and Metaphor.S Americal Journal of Computational Linguistics 9(3-4):
[JLC-190]
 
Howells, T. (1988). VITAL: A Connectionist Parser. Cognitive Science
88, [JLC-069]
 
Pollack, J. B. and D. L. Waltz (1984). Parallel Interpretation of
Natural Language. Proc. FGCS, ICOT. [JLC-054]
 
Schank, R. C. (1979). Interestingness: Controlling Inferences.
Artificial Intelligence 12: 273-297. [JLC-063]
 
Small, S., G. Cottrell, et al. (1982). Toward Connectionist Parsing.
Proc. AAAI-82, AAAI. [JLC-106]

Zadeh, L.A. (1981). PRUF - a meaning representation language for natural
languages in Mamdani and Gaines, Fuzzy Reasoning and its Applications,
Academic Press.
 

Jacob

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Programme,  Dept of  Comp Sci  &  Comp Eng,  La Trobe  University,  Bundoora,
Vic. 3083, Australia. Ph: +613 479 1270, Fax: +613 470 4915, Telex: AA 33143,
E-Mail: jacob@latcs1.lat.oz.au.                                     ... G'Day
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From: ajw@Think.COM (Andy Wilson)
Newsgroups: aus.ai,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: error tolerant English parser
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:49:57 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
Keywords: English parser, error tolerance, Common Lisp

In article <1992Sep7.005009.11353@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, jiang@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jiansheng Jiang) writes:
|> Most of existing natural language parsers are designed to analyze structurally 
|> correct sentences. For the purpose of second language learning, this is not 
|> enough, since beginners of a new language often make some structural errors. I
|> am currently looking for some parsers that can not only work as a recogniser 
|> (that is, simply say 'no' to a structurally ill-formed sentence) but are 
|> actually able to do some sort of analysis to ill-formed sentence. I find some 
|> parsers based on Marcus' deterministic parsing theory belong to this type, but 
|> I think there must be other approaches but don't know what they are. The 
|> particular questions I have are:
|> 
|>   1. are there any approaches better than using ad-hoc methods for analysing 
|> sentences containing structural errors?

Yes,  semantics-based parsers are good at this.  I've used this approach in 
several commercial NLP systems accepting ill-formed input in electronic messages,
keyboard input and handwritten input.  Some of the older variants of this approach
are considered by some to be ad hoc,  but the more recent research has been on
memory-based parsing or case-based parsing,  which limits the amount of "knowledge
engineering" (read "ad hoc hacking").

|>   2. if there are, then are there any parsers actually developed (programmed)
|> based on those approaches? Where can I find them or who can I contact to get 
|> more information about them? 

Here are some introductory references on semantics-based NLP.  There's been a very 
large amount of research published on this approach,  mostly by Roger Schank's 
students at Yale and the Institute for the Learning Sciences at Northwestern University.

Dyer, Michael, _In-Depth Understanding, MIT Press, Cambridge, 1983.
Cullingford, Richard, _Natural Language Processing_, Rowman & Littlefield, 1986.
Schank, Roger and Christopher Riesbeck, _Inside Computer Understanding_, Lawrence
					Erlbaum Assoc., Inc., Hillsdale, N.J., 1981

|> 
|>   3. there must be some parsers (with or without error tolerance) implemented
|> in Common Lisp that are publicly available, where can I get them?

Cullingford's book includes source code in Franz Lisp,  which someone may have 
translated to CL by now.

|> I'm a student doing Masters and working on the field of robust language 
|> analysis for second language learning. It will be very much appreciated if 
|> anybody there can provide me any sort of information related to the above 
|> questions. You can either post to these newsgroup or email me personally.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance!
|> 
|> Jiansheng Jiang (email: jiang@latcs1.lat.au.oz)
|> Department of Computer Science and Computer Engineering,
|> La Trobe University
|> Australia
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