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From: judyd@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What do I need for my 1st baby??
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:28:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1627@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin..FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>The thing I have found incredibly useful that I'll bet no one will
>tell you about is a cordless phone.  The first few months when baby is
>(seemingly) always nursing, it is great to have the phone
>at your fingertips...rather than disturbing yourself and baby to
>answer it.  Later, when baby is crawling, it is nice (and I'm guessing
>safer) to be able to follow baby around while talking on the phone...
>and it keeps baby from gnawing on the cord, or jerking the receiver
>out of your hand.

Not only this, but (as I think has been discussed recently here)
an answering machine!  When my first child was a tiny baby and I
was home on maternity leave, I got so frustrated with dropping 
everything (usually either a dirty diaper or a feeding) to answer 
the phone that one of our first expeditions out of the house was 
to go get a cordless phone/answering machine combination.  That 
way if I was busy with the baby and got a call, I could let the 
machine answer it.  The answering machine has been extremely handy
ever since.  I never use it to screen my calls, but just to allow 
myself the option of taking a message if I can't get to the phone.
If for some amazing reason I don't have my hands full, I always
answer the phone myself.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:35:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


>
>Second, even if the problem did exist (and the problem of VD has
>existed for many years now apart from AIDS) it still does not justify
>bypassing and undermining the relationship between children and
>parents.  By handing out condoms to children whose parents don't want
>it, schools are taking upon themselves parental responsibility.  Will
>they deal with the pregnancies that result from failure of the condom
>method?  

No, the vast majority of burden will fall on the kids. Not the schools
or the parents.

>Will they deal with the moral fallout that will result?  

What the hell is "moral fallout"?

Of
>course not.  They will be done with the kids in a couple of years --
>or sooner if they drop out because they're pregnant.
>
Exactly *and so will the parents! They will be responsible for a few
years at most. The kids will be parents, accepting all the
responsibilities of parenthood *with no idea what it entails*.

>I would say that any such program should only be pursued in the
>context of parental involvement.  Also, I would argue that any such
>program OUGHT to counsel abstinence as the preferred method of dealing
>with sex for reasons both medical and emotional.

The person who will have to suffer and die from Aids for lack of a
condom will be the teenager. Who cares what a parent says? They will
not be the one who contracts a cruel killer disease. They will not have to 
live with the guilt of having transmitted it to others they care
about. Kids who are responsible enough to use condoms deserve a lot of
credit.
 
Three cheers for the responsible teeneagers who stop the spread of all
STDs by responsibly using condoms! Three cheers to the school district
who helps!

The parents of teenagers are also  *NOT* the one's who will be
responsible for the pregnancies of teenagers who do not have access to
condoms. There involvement may last a few years, the teenager who
gives birth to a baby will have the responsibility for a lifetime.
*OR* they will have to live with the decision of having an abortion.

The parents of teenagers *DO NOT SUFFER THE IMPACT OF POOR JUDGEMENT*
to anywhere near the degree the teenagers themselves do. Why should
their decision to withhold information or condoms cause these poor
kids to suffer the sadness of teenage pregnancy, AIDS or STD's?

I applaud kids who choose safe sex. I applaud kids who choose no sex
too. But I hope that kids have enough information and access to
condoms so that they never have to choose unsafe sex.


>--
>-Fred Gilham          gilham@csl.sri.com
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Milk in containers
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Apr14.210828.11527
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr6.145223.4294@lonex.rl.af.mil> some guy trying to pose as a chemist writes:
>As a chemist I feel that milk in glass bottles is the best (my opininion).
>Plastic containers have a tendancy to breath, absorbing oders and repelling
>them. 

Well, I wouldn't actully say they're 'breathing'. If I remember my
polymers class correctly, each different plastic material (polyethylene, 
polytetrafluoroethylene, polycarbonate, polyvinilidene chloride, 
acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene, etc.) has a characteristic rate of 
permeability and diffusion coefficient with respect to each different 
permeating material.  It depends on the size of the permeating molecule, 
whether or not it is a glassy or chrystalline polymer, and the degree 
of attraction to the polymer molecules, sorption and de-sorption may
or may not be occuring, etc.  In the case of milk, the permeating 
molecule is oxygen.  You want a material with a low rate of permeability 
for oxygen so as to reduce the rate at which oxygen gets into the milk 
and oxidizes (presumably) the lipids in there and thus spoiling the 
milk.  

>instance, carefully wash out one of those plastic milk containers
>and add some purfume and water in it, cap it, wait.  You will find in most
>cases that the purfume oder will pass through the plastic wall and you should
>be able to smell the perfume on the outside of the plastic container unopened.

Well, perfume molecules are certainly not the same size and may be more 
polar than oxygen molecules.  And you haven't specified what type of 
plastic you are talking about.

Anyhow, my opinion is that a glass milk bottle or a plastic milk bottle
does not have an airtight seal after you have opened it anyway, so talk
of permeability and diffusion is probably not relative anyway since it
would be a smaller effect that the big leaks.

But, on the other hand there are now combination plastic/paper laminated
containers which DO keep milk fresher than glass containers, with 
a shelf life of 6 months or so.  My mother buys that kind of milk all
the time.  They are also experimenting with putting eggs in that same 
kind of container.  I think I read that it is composed of 7 different 
layers of different plastic and paper materials which in combination
have extremely superior permeability properties.  

Laura Watson
From: kassover@sagittarius.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: TAX for maternity leave
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:10:20 GMT
Organization: Aule-Tek, Inc. @ GE Corp Research and Development

In article <1992Apr10.234000.22618@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.184135.5617@ready.eng.ready.com>, tai@hawk.eng.ready.com (Josephine Tai) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|>   I do not know whether this is the right place to ask my question.
>|> If not, I apology.
>|> 
>|>   During my maternity leave, I received two checks, one from SDI, 
>|> another one from Group American Insurance Company. Someone told
>|> me that I do not need to pay TAX for these two checks. I also
>
>I was on maternity leave and was paid by SDI and an insurance
>company--I called and neither of them are taxable!  I don't
>know how they could ever have showed up on a W-2 as they werent
>paid by your company--I assume you paid into the disability
>and you definitely pay into SDI--which is why they are not
>taxable.

I tried to respond via email to Ms. Tai, but some system in the
way refused to let it through.

On the other hand, this is of general interest.

According to my wife, the CPA (who also deals with various
aspects of disability claims for our company, including maternity
claims), disability payments are taxable to the extent that the
individual did *not* pay the premiums.  For federal tax.  Check
for individual states.

That is to say, unless the employee paid *all* of the premiums
for a particular policy (whether directly or via payroll
deduction), then some part of the benefits must be included as
regular income.

Not only that, but the employer owes various employment taxes on
any amounts paid.


Furthermore, for certain kinds of insurance (particularly
health),such as HMO premiums, BlueCross/Major Medical, etc, if
the employer pays 100% of the premium, the premiums must be
included as regular income to the employee.

This kind of thing applies to life insurance policies for over 100%
of wages or $50000, whichever is lower, as well.


BTW, how many people got a surprise bite from AMT this year?




-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Phone Ettiquette
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:32:35 GMT
Reply-To: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

davem@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis) writes:
|> The answerer, by a LARGE margin, knows the callee MUCH better than the caller
|> does. And they know what the callee wants done with their calls when they
|> don't answer for themselves. (If nothing else, I have a better idea as the
|> receiver whether a resident can get the phone now or not, and if not, why.
|> You KNOW I'm there -- you dialed our number! )

I think we've moved away from the post that started this part of the
thread:   forcing a teenager's callers to identify themselves 
to the parent before calling the teenager to the phone
   
I see that as _very_ different from asking who's calling when the
callee is your spouse.  Presumably, you do know your spouse better
than anyone else does.  How many teenagers think mom/dad know them
better than their friends?

To be honest, I find this sequence infuriating:

Me:       Hello, may I speak to J please?
Answerer: Who's calling please?
Me:       Beth Weiss
Answerer: Just a minute
J:        Hello.  Who is this?

If the answerer is going to _ask_ who's calling s/he ought to tell the
callee who it is--otherwise, I can only presume the answerer is asking
only to satisfy his/her own curiosity, which I find rude.

To take this one step further, what about siblings answering the phone
when it's for another sibling?   Is it any of Susie's business which
girl just called her brother?  Or any of Joey's business who just
called his sister?   I think kids have a certain right to privacy in
this regard, and it isn't appropriate for a parent or other family
member to insist on screening those calls if the callee doesn't
request it.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: patbntly@athena.mit.edu (Patricia P Bentley)
Subject: re-send please
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:58:05 GMT

Oops -- I was unable to save the recent post that described
the various FAQs and the purpose of misc.kids.  Would the
sender please email that to me?  Thanks

Pat Bentley
patbntly@athena.mit.edu
From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Names wanted for my baby
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:14:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

HELP: baby due - no names.  Netters may have more original names than 
the general public or the books. 

List your favorites.  No Annes, Johns please. 

The grand prize winner will receive a picture of the wrinkled child shortly 
after the birth.

Thanks to all - henry and leah 
--
Henry Kon
617-253-2781
hkon@athena
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
From: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Reply-To: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:12:27 GMT

In article <n9146269.702593324@honeydew> n9146269@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings) writes:
>What most people associate with Satanism is, well alot of bullshit...
>Those that DO go out and kill animals in the name of Satan, or any other 
>diety usually do not represent the true religion... and as far as the net
>goes, would do better in alt.evil, not alt.satanism.

Matt, your sounding like a self-righteous christian when you use 
the term true religion. Have you become the enemy you try to fight?

>
>Most of these people are teens, and are looking for attention or acceptance
>among peers.. These are not true Satanists... Satanism is an alternative to 
>Christianity, with much more freedom and the ability to do whatever they want
>at will, without guilt and without shame... 

It seems to me that you are the one looking for attention.
The reason I say this is because your description of Satanism
seems to be more of the agnostic atheistic type. Perphaps the 
reason you would call yourself a Satanist is because of the 
negative image it carries. You probably want to seem like a tough
guy, so you figured saying that you were a Satanist would give
you more a bad-boy image than saying you were,for example, an atheist.
Furthermore if you brake down the word Satanism (on a purely grammatical
level) it means (more or less) the belief of Satan. Now keeping that in mind 
you much realize that Satan was not created by Anton LeVay. Satan exists!!
I know that there is absotuly no way that I can prove it to you so I
won't give you meaningless rhetoric.
 
>Much of the sacrifice, and abuse is media hype, through the news and 
>hollywood... It is THIS image that makes Satanism much worse in the eyes
>of the public than it is...
 
Reading between the lines , it seems to me that you too are believing
the hype. If I were to meet you on the streets and tell you that 
I worship Satan you would probably think I am so lunitic. But 
I am not a freak, I have merely lived a different life that forged
into me different beliefs. Don't judge me, I was a Satanist 
before I even entered into this world, He chose me.

///Max Remo, where are you???


        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        |    I have seen the darkened depths of hell,  |
        |                                              |
        |    sorcery beyond the witches spell.         |
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:17:25 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.061555.16818@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephanie Mia Hawkins) writes:
>
>like an earlier poster (taylor marie's mommy), i am a collector
>of names.  anybody care to share their favourite irish girls'
>names?  
>
>stephanie

How about Seanna :)?  This seems to have become fairly common these days, 
though I have never met another Seanna (or Shawna or Shauna) who is
less than 10 years younger than I (I am 33).  (Actually, I have never
encountered, personally or otherwise, another Seanna with this spelling,
though there are plenty of Seans.  And yes, lots of people call me 
"Seena" or "See-anna" or "Sheena".)   

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:15:03 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, sweeney@olivej.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>Like many of you, I'm fascinated to read so many eloquent posts about a
>subject to which we've all obviously given so much thought.

And Peggy has added another very eloquent one, that expresses my feelings
exactly.

>Here's my theory, for what it's worth. I think that kids need to feel that
>there is at least one person in the world (historically "Mom") for whom
>he (the kid) is absolutely top priority. That means that whether Mom
>works or not, if the kid NEEDS to have his mother for something -- he's
>sick, he's appearing in a school play, he's got an important baseball
>game -- his mother will put his needs first and be there.

>So I don't think it's so much the physical issue of "who spends the most
>time with the kid?" I think it's the psychological issue of "is there
>someone who loves me so much that he or she puts me first -- before
>anything else?"

I had been trying hard to put this in words.  I think that this may
be what the poster who said that parents should make sacrifices for
their children may have been trying to express - at least that is the
way I think about it.  My work is important and fulfilling to me, and
I don't think I would have the temperament to be a stay-at-home mom.
But my son IS the most important thing in my life right now, and if
he needs me, I WILL be there for him.  This is true even if it is for
something like a school play or sports event.  I am lucky in that I
have a boss that agrees with me on my priorities, and a job in which
I can (to some extent) set my own schedule.  But if that were not so,
I would still put my son (and soon my second child) ahead of everything
else.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 20 months, and ???, -8 weeks
From: jkim@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jae HuKim)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:48:52 GMT
Subject: cute things from a 3 year old
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: misc.kids

hi folks,
i haven't been reading for a while, and i probably won't regularly for 
another 2 months or so, so i thought i'd write in several stories 
i thought were funny.


my 3 year old, tabi, seomtimes talks too much.  last week, when i got home, 
she was just hyper.  i couldn't take it after a full day of classes, 
so i said "what's 1 plus 1, tabi?"

(i don't know why i said that - just thought that maybe it'd make her think
and that'd keep her quiet for a while :)

anyhow, she said "2".  that really surprised me (although i know my daughter 
is exceptional :)  - i guess she learned it watching sesame street.

with my mouth hanging open, i asked her how she knew that.
she said, "i know everything, daddy."  and just kept on talking :)




another story about tabi when she had just turned 3 ( about 3 months ago).
she has a baby sister (1 year and 2 months, now) and she used to see us give
lisa food we ate.  sometimes we'd chew the food then give it to her.

well, while we were visiting my parents for christmas, my father was with 
tabi and lisa in the kitchen.  tabi had wanted some food (radishes, i think),
and she was jsut munching away on the piece she had.

lisa, of course :), wanted a taste and started reaching for it.  tabi backed
up and started chewing faster.

my father thought, "she's still a little girl" and smiled to himself.

but, a couple of seconds later, tabi took the chewed radish from her mouth 
and gave it to lisa :)

she was just trying to make sure lisa had food she could eat with 
her 4 teeth :)



ok, one last story.

tabi would often spread her arms as wide as possible to show us how much 
she loved us.

with me she'd play a game where she'd start with her hands very close 
together.  i'd look sad.  she'll spread her hands wider and wider until 
i was smiling.

soon after she started this game, i sent her to her room for something 
she did.  usually, she doesn't mind these timeouts, but when she's tired 
or cranky ( usually one implies the other), she really gets upset.

this time, she started to cry, and blubbered out, "i only love you this 
much" with her hands very close together.  

i couldn't resist, and held her until she stopped crying.



well, have a nice day, folks :)
jae kim
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:51:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: satyr.KAYVAN.92Apr13225139
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <13749@vd.seqeb.gov.au> BSS_GRAEME@vd.seqeb.gov.au writes:

   In article <RyX1iB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>, holly@tz.wimsey.bc.ca
   (Wendy Woodcock) writes: 
   > [...] Would it be terribly bad form for me to get married at 7
   > mths. pregnant? 

           Wendy:
           Congratulations on both your upcoming wedding AND your
           unscheduled arrival!!!

I second this!
           [...]

           I think a pregnant woman would make a _truely radiant bride_
           in every sense of the word. 

Yes! A pregnant woman is (usually) very radiant, except when they're
too exhausted.

           Have a ball!!!!Enjoy!!!!Share it with the people you love
           best!

Including the one inside.

*hugs*

                        ---Kayvan
-- 
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From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: [3yrs] Shrewd reasoning
Summary: don't threaten what you won't do
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:16:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <drew.701591882@cs.anu.edu.au>, drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan) writes:
> In an effort to encourage our daughter to put on her clothes so that we
> could leave the house and run an errand, my wife said to her,
>   "If you don't get dressed Amy, Daddy and I will go to the shops and
>    leave you behind, all alone."

In general, it is a bad idea to threaten something that you
won't do.  It plants a question in the kids' minds about whether
you will carry out any threat of punishment.

What would you have done if she didn't get dressed?
From:  (anothermother)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mysterious Headaches-THANKS!
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.034112.25808@access.digex.com>, andy@access.digex.com (Andrew M Cohn) writes:
> 
> 
>  
>
>  
> ME:   Hey, how's your elbow...does it still hurt?
> DAN:  Yeah...still hurts.
>  
> Aside, to audience: Now, there is not a darn thing wrong with his
> elbow. I picked that body part at random as a little test. So now
> I must add my own suggestion to the list:
>  
>                  5. A visit to the shrink. :<
>  
>  
>  
__________

Gosh, your kid sounds just like mine.  I've even played little games like
"When your elbow is better, we'll go to Toys R Us"....to be followed by
"My elbow's much better!"......I should have mentioned to you that after having
two with similar problems (the other had constant stomachaches)...I've
pretty much gotten wiser...(yoy, I even had to have stool tests
done to make sure my child didn't have a bowel disorder!!)
Usually if the kid mentions a problem voluntarily they've got a problem...
I've stopped grilling my children,  I can tell now
when my children aren't well (eyes, attitude, how they stand)...

 My Child's Optometrist had similar problems
with her children...alot of complaints are emotional,
 attention-getting devices....as parents, we have to weed through what
is real and what isn't....You'll get really good at it through experience...
trust me!  (there are thermometers, and incentives, such as the Toys R Us game
to help you analyze)....This I'm sure will help with teens and their headaches...


OH....headaches can also be caused by old head injuries (accidents)....
also by anniversaries of stressful times, as well as upcoming anxieties.

I've had a sister and a cousin who always would lay down on the couch with a "headache"
after dinner during a family gathering (noise maybe???)  

vell, by now you should be an expert :*)!

anothermother from netsville  
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