HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjkamal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (M.J.Kamal)
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Organization: Oakland University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.205443.17872@wam.umd.edu> sih@next05epsl.wam.umd.edu (Y Do U Ask) writes:
>> The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
>> nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
>> on 15 devcember.
>> 
>> BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
>> and injured several thousand others.
>> 
>> QUESTIONS:
>> 
>> 1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
>> not one, but five times a day by very devout people?
>> 
>> 2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
>> for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
>> a dozen places of worship?.
>> 
>> Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
>> of worship in rage? 
>> 
>> 3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
>> places of worship?
>> 
>> 4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?
>> 
>> 5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
>> destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?
>> 
>> 6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
>> act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?
>> 
>> (It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> bkumar
>
>
>I have kept myself from posting in this news group but I just couldn't  
>help replying this idiotic post. Before I start anything I would like to  
>thank you Mr. bkumar for your kind and thoughtful questions. Now my  
>questions to you :
>
>1) Why did Allah gave you a head only any and no brain? ;)
>
>2) Have you ever thought about suing Allah for that reason? 
>
	I guess he is planning to sue his God who is responsible for this
	as soon as he finds out which one it is!

>Obviously this is a serious reply to your serious post. 
>
	I hope mine is too.

>Regards,
>Shahed.
	Good questions Shahed.

	Now Mr. Kumar, you wanted to know why Allah would do such a thing.
	I would say the same reason He created you.

	Or (let's be as hypothetical as possible), may be it was one of your
	Gods who did it! Then we need to protest against it(as soon as we
	find out which one it is).

	You also wanted to know whether there is any Quranic surah or Hadith
	explaining this. I'm not sure. But my sixth sense tells me that there
	is some explanation about it in Gita! You might want to look it up.

M.J.kamal		

	
Note:   This discussion is totally foolish. Although the originator claims it
	to be a serious posting according to his standard (which appears to be
	very low compared to that of s.c.b readers), it is a low quality posting
	- no doubt. Then the question may arise, why even bother to reply? 
	Well, its true that you don't bite back a dog if it bites you. But I 
	would say, if you are in a suitable situation(and wearing a boot), at
	least kick it on its face.  
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Subject: Re: Congratulation on Victory Day!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:30:21 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <BzBL88.ADp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:
>
>>Congratulation to all Bangladeshis on the Victory Day!  Let's 
>>work to hold up spirit of the Liberation war and thereby show
>>our commitments for the causes that the war was fought for.  Our
>>commitment for a society free of explotation and a society with
>>a great cultural mosaic is at stake.  But we can change the situation
>>through a greater understanding of the issues our nation is facing today.
>
>>Congratulations again.  Bangladeshi Bengalis and tribal people are a 
>>hero-nation. I am proud to be Bangladeshi Bengali!
>
>>Khaleq.
>
>Congratulation to all my Bangladeshi brothers and sisters.
>
>Nishit
>
>(Your bengali brother from India)


It is sure nice to see some posting that all of us in SCB and the friends of
SCB can relate to.
In the gruelling heat of the final week this calibre of thought
really cools me down.

A very very warm greetings on this auspicious day to all.

May tommorrow bring a better day for all of us.
JOY BANGLADESH.

Md Ishfaqur Raza
.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Jamat and technicalities
	<1992Dec12.190211.9989@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:03:06 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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In article <1992Dec12.190211.9989@sol.cs.wmich.edu> hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) writes:

Of course, Ghulam Azam case is different from the general pardon. The general 
pardon was given to all the collaborators who agreed to be Bangladeshi 
Nationals, like Shah Aziz and Abdur Rahman Bishwas etc. 
Ghulam Azam refused Bangladeshi Nationality after the Independence and hence 
out of the question of whether was pardoned or not. 
----
Ghulam Azam did not refuse citizenship, he was denied citizenship by Foreign
ministry.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:40:48 GMT

In article <BzB15o.MBx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
> (yes it`s a sexist term). Secondly, Mr. Murtugudde, Islam does
> preach equality among women. It is stated in the Koran that women 
> are equal tomen.

Where in the Koran does it say so ?

> so I`ll conclude by saying Mr. Murtugudde, Islam preaches equality
> among all people not just men or women. 

By "all people" do you mean everyone regardless of religion or
do you mean those who follow the Bible and/or the Koran ?

> regards
> Rafat Sadiq
> 

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:37:07 GMT

In article <BzB15o.MBx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>Secondly, Mr. Murtugudde, Islam does
>preach equality among women. It is stated in the Koran that women are 
>equal tomen. Secondly, the Koran states that women are to be given the same
>rights as men such as voting, ability to own propert etc.

That would make countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, etc., commiting a
sin when they don't give women their rights, according to the Koran, as you
state. I think it behooves me, to point out that in Saudi Arabia, women aren't
allowed to drive a car. So much for equality.

>This is a remarkable
>revolutionary idea considering the fact that Islam was founded over a thousand
>years ago and that some of these rights weren`t confered upon women in the US
>untill the 20th century (i.e. voting).

US wasn't a country 1000 years ago.

>Islam preaches equality
>among all people not just men or women. Admitiedly it has sexist viewpoints
>just like any other religion (i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chrisitianity) but
>what you must bear in mind is that they are less than those of other major
>religion and that they were normal for that particular period in time.

There is big difference between preachng and actually doing. As you mention,
Islam is less sexist, that say Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, you 
justify that by saying that this is so because it was normal at for that
particular time. I assume you mean the time, when the religion was founded.
With this reasoning, then, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism are supposed
to be more sexist because they were founded earlier? 

Rakesh Patel
>
>regards
>Rafat Sadiq
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: Jamat and the ban question
	<Bz5G8F.7J8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:08:55 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Bz5G8F.7J8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

   Not necessarily. The right wing radicals do not enjoy widespread grassroot
   level political support unlike their counterparts in Egypt and Algeria; at 
   least not yet.
----
By "right wing radical" are you referring to Jamaat in bangladesh? If so I 
would disagree with the statement. Jamaat has rural poor and educated middle
class support base which is growing at a rapid pace.In the last parliamentary 
elections, over 60% of Jamaat candidates were from educated middle class--
a number far in excess of those of BNP and AL.

  


--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahmada@serss0 (Azeem Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:55 GMT

In article <samaddar.724013847@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>>is that an independent Chakma state will probably result in India
>>swallowing them up.
>
>Maybe they consider being swallowed by India as less damaging than being
>swallowed by Bangladesh.

On the same line: 
	Kashmiri's DO not want to remain being swallowded by India,
	they might want to be rather swallowed by Pakistan (certainly less
	damaging) if they cannot afford independence.


Azeem.

>
>Sumitro


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Congratulation on Victory Day!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:17:34 GMT

Congratulation to all Bangladeshis on the Victory Day!  Let's 
work to hold up spirit of the Liberation war and thereby show
our commitments for the causes that the war was fought for.  Our
commitment for a society free of explotation and a society with
a great cultural mosaic is at stake.  But we can change the situation
through a greater understanding of the issues our nation is facing today.

Congratulations again.  Bangladeshi Bengalis and tribal people are a 
hero-nation. I am proud to be Bangladeshi Bengali!

Khaleq.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mrahman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Mushfiqur Rahman)
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of reading all these religion related articles in SCB.
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:24:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec20.000426.26989@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:



>   Well, I've tried my best to keep to my shut and show respect to the
>   freedom of speech, but sorry folks, I can't take this any more.  I've had
>   enough and I am sick and tired of all these relegion related articles in
>   SCB.  Maybe religion does play a role in our society but that doesn't mean
>   this is the only thing we should talk about.  


>   I know "this is free forum", "everybody has the right to express his/her
>   opinions", "this is a un-moderated news-group" and I know I am going to get
>   responses like "who the hell are you to decide what should be discussed
>   here and what shouldn't be?" and "I can post whatever I want to (who
>   cares it is relevant to SCB or not!)" etc. etc., but I have the right to
>   speak-up as well and I don't have any respect for the people who doesn't
>   have the common-sense to realize that there is a number of news-groups
>   available for discussing religious issues.

I agree completely. What also upsets me the most is that people seem
to be going round and round about the same sort of religious issues
(Islam is sexist, etc). Most of the netters of scb have been fed these
topics ten times over and I would request for those users who feel the
urge to discuss religious issues to do it via email.

Tushu

>   -- 

>   Khaled Aziz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:43:13 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <1gtmgsINN3db@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>>All three acters died by there own people their killer served them first and all of them were batryed.
>>>
>>>why dont you learn the lesson from others ?  Are you waiting for the same to learn?
>>>
>>So did Jesus Christ. So did Uthman and Ali. What does  that tell you?
>>Love
>>Arindam
>
>I am sorry I used the wrong ward for them It should not be betrayed but
>it should be punished.  
>
>Now come to the question of the people who you mentioned.  I belive that their
>death was honorable and I belive that I will be proud if I will die for
> the cause they died and the way they were killed.  But if some one
> think the life and deth of Bhotto mujib or Indra was inspiring for him
> then I dont have any choice other the pray for simillar death for him.
>

No, I do not derive inspiration from Bhutto & co. But probably you know
about the hadith about the dead dog and Jesus Christ. Everybody else said
what a rotten dog; but Jesus said look how white his teeth. What I value is
their sacrificing their life to stick on to what they believed in: the victory
of mind over matter. Their ideal may be wrong; but that's a different story.




>But may you are christian You belive that Jesus was died we dont. 

Quite confusing to guess my religious identity, eh. I am a Bahai and I am
certain you pray for my death also. Can you give me the sunna where Islam
asks you to pray for the death of somebody. The social newsgroups are not
a place to discuss Jesus's death: which has been beaten to death in religious
groups.
LOve
Arindam
From: BF87@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BF87000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamat and technicalities
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:58:47 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <Bz80xA.DrJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>
>If Golam Azam does not have Bangladeshi citizenship, can the govt. not try him for interefering in internal affairs. It is a crime for expatriates to involve
>themselves in Bangladeshi party politics.

Whether he is a citizen or not is yet to be decided by the Supreme
Court, where Mr. Azam has recently taken his case.  Your sweeping
statement like the one above and urging the govt. to act upon it
(prior to any court ruling) is, therefore, unwarranted to any
law abiding individual or govt. having common sense.

However, your suggestion very much exemplifies the line of thinking
many anti-Jamaat people and parties maintain in Bangladesh.


>Rafat Sadiq
>.

.Moin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Subject: Re: Display on Bangladesh
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:01:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <NAEEM.92Dec11005804@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>   Display on Bangladesh's history and culture on the ocassion of 21st anniversary
>   of victory day, 16 Dec, 1992.
>
>   Oberlin College, Ohio
>
>   Seeley G Mudd Library, Main level

	COME ONE, COME ALL!!!!
		I hope someone had the presence of mind to alert the
NY Times about this, naeem... =)

farewell,
Zeeshan Hasan 
zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
OCMR Box 1529, Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074. Phone:(216)775-6447
	"I love mankind... it's people I can't stand!" -- Linus van Pelt





Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: akash@sol.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:08:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.205155.119654@marshall.wvnet.edu> yea027@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>there are other carnations of this one God
all around the neck.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6872 soc.culture.indian:41423 soc.culture.pakistan:18489
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 19 Dec 1992 09:02:39 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec18.184505.2993@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>
>	Sure they are - if you become one of them you become equal.
>	So when every one becomes Muslim, all of them are equal.
>
>	If the above statement is false, then stop conversions and
>	stop being hypocrites.
>
>	Same applies to Budhists, Christians and Bhai's or Baha's?
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Speak what you know of.
What is a conversion? Just because the word has been abused does not mean
it cannot be used any more. 
The cornerstone of the Bahai faith is the INDEPENDENT investigation of truth.
Now what makes you a Hindu, Muslim or a Christian: a blind imitation of the
form of worship that your forefathers did: I will not call that very scientific
approach. If in one's investigation one becomes convinced that the claim of
Bahaullah is correct he becomes a Bahai, i.e., a follower of Bahaullah.
This has got nothing to do with they being superior to others. Of course they
do consider the world order as envisioned by Bahaullah to be superior than the
current one; but as an individual person:no. Bahaullah's instructions are very
clear: PREFER all religionists before yourselves and Consort with the followers
of all religions with friendliness.
So please talk about Vedas as much as you like, don't talk about others.

From The Promise of World Peace by the Universal House of Justice.
The primary question to be resolved is how the present world, with its
entrenched patttern of conflict, can change to a world in which harmony
and cooperation will prevail.

World order can be founded only on an unshakeable consciousness of the oneness
of mankind, a spiritual truth which all the human sciences confirm.
Anthropology, physiology, psychology recognize only one human species, albeit
infinitely varied in the secondary aspects of life. Recognition of this truth
requires abandonment of prejudice -- prejudice of every kind--race,class,color,
creed,nation,sex,degree of material civilization, everything which enables
people to consider themselves superior to others.

Hope this helps.
Love
Arindam
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: IDIOT MUSTAFA STRIKES AGAIN
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:04:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
: Mustafa Ibrahim from COLARADO write
: 
: 
: Why dont you be ashamed yourself as a Bangladeshi ?  Yes your freedom
: fighters killed 4 million (yes 4 million non-bengali people on the
: name of banglaism). They looted the property of those poeple who didnot
: want Bangladesh. The proof is still there. Yes 3 lacks innocent muslims
: are living in regfugee Camps in the so called Sonar Bangla. Bangladesh
: can never ever be prosper if there are bad prayers and wishes of the
: refugees . God is destroying this country with floods and tornados. The
:    same contry (the poorest in the world) is now asking Pakistan for Help.
: Please help me ! Please help me ! I am dying . I cannot survive . So
: Pakistan is sending food and cloths in the name of God. The economy of
: Sonar Bangla (:-)) is all screwed up. Now bengalis are getting fed up
: with Sonar Bangla and running away to other countries . My country is
: now a very good place for them. If you dont believe me come and see
: how fast is growing the population of sonar bengalis :-). When somebody
: ask them What happened to Sonar Bangla . They reply,  ' We dont know
: it was a nightmare . We were mislead on the name of Banglaism .
: There are hell lot of things that can be discussed on this net
: but unfortunately I dont have enough time. I hope this is sufficent
: for today .Go and apologize your God on the sins that you have committed.
: 
: ******************************************************************************
: 
: 
: 
: Do you know that everybody in SCI , SCB and SCP are ashamed of your behavior?
: WHat can we expect from a guy who doesn't know the difference between
: sweet and sweat. Hey Mustafa I have told you many times, take rest.  Don't
: get involved in this type of discussion.  Believe me you don't have that
: much intellectual capability. Don't overwork your brain. You know what happens
: when you pass high voltage through a low voltage appliance...
: 
: 
: Bye
: 
: 
: Nishit

Since shit is a part of your name , you are a piece of shit. 
Nonsense buddy you need a lot of brain to understand my posting
.How can I write you sweet heart. So I typed sweat heart . 
Got that moron.!!!!
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Congratulation on Victory Day!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:33:44 GMT

khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

>Congratulation to all Bangladeshis on the Victory Day!  Let's 
>work to hold up spirit of the Liberation war and thereby show
>our commitments for the causes that the war was fought for.  Our
>commitment for a society free of explotation and a society with
>a great cultural mosaic is at stake.  But we can change the situation
>through a greater understanding of the issues our nation is facing today.

>Congratulations again.  Bangladeshi Bengalis and tribal people are a 
>hero-nation. I am proud to be Bangladeshi Bengali!

>Khaleq.


Congratulation to all my Bangladeshi brothers and sisters.


Nishit

(Your bengali brother from India)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Rafat Sadiq)
   India does not involve itself with Nepal/Bhutan`s domestic problems only to
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Originator: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:55:04 GMT

    Besides, why have you assumed that the majority of the Chakma`S favor
independance?
Rafat Sadiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem)
Subject: Re: Jamat and the ban question 
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:02:11 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Dec12020543@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>----
>Problem is that Sheikh Mujib gave the general pardon to ALL collaborators. So
>how can Ghulam Azma be differentiated among others pardoned?
>
Of course, Ghulam Azam case is different from the general pardon. The general pardon 
was given to all the collaborators who agreed to be Bangladeshi Nationals, like 
Shah Aziz and Abdur Rahman Bishwas etc. Ghulam Azam refused Bangladeshi Nationality 
after the Independence and hence out of the question of whether was pardoned or not. 

Going back to the question of banning Jammat, it is well known that Ziaur Rahman 
rehabilitated Jammat. The party was banned before Ziaur Rahman came into power.