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From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:17:14 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:08:17 GMT, ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) said:

Several responses are in and no two are alike. (what do you expect)
So if the Presidential election doesn't excite you, send your vote as
to what YOU think will be introduced by C= at WOC.



For kicks:
 Poll of .advocacy of what you think C= is introducing in Sept.

 Email me or post your guesses on these items. If there is significant
 response I'll tally a consensus and post next week before WOC. No
 names of course. See if what you SURE of jives with what everyone else
 is SURE of.  Most of this has been discussed so give you best guess...

How many new AA machine will be introduced in Sept.

ZERO, ONE, TWO, THREE  (list the following for each)

> Name                : A4000, A3000+, etc
> CPU location        : mother board, daughter card
> CPU                 : 020, 030, 040, choice (ie daughter card)
> floppy              : 880K, High Density
> Hard drive interface: IDE, SCSI
> Sound               : Same, new
> DSP                 : yes, no
> OS                  : 2.1, 3.0, 2.1 and beta 3.0
> Price               : ????????????
> other               :


Please remember this is for FUN.  Isn't that why we like AMIGA?

 -- Andrew Hansford
    ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: keithc@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Keith Christopher)
Subject: Re: Amiga Sucks and Amigoids are Suckers
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:41:02 GMT


 He obivously isn't happy with his computer.



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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:47:46 GMT

mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>It lets you install Fonts from distribution disks. It allows you to set
>up a list of font sizes for programs that don't allow YOU to enter an
>arbitrary size (but simply show you this list to select from).

  Does the OS have to prerender these sizes, or is it just used
as a list?  Why would it need just a list?  
  Why can't the OS substitute a scalable font on the fly
for old programs?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: On-Line documentation
From: benbuck@mri.com (Benbuck Nason)
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:40:44 GMT
Organization: Microtec Research Inc., Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Aug28.125159.23018@natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>	Why can't anything in the documentation be put on-line.  At the
>lowest level you could simply put the entire document under the help
>menu along with a built in topical search utility. (Click on Help and
>you see the Table of Contents from the documentation.) or something like
>that.  Besides, my original article was in response to Skip Sauls saying
>that people need to be able to go to the computer store and buy a 3rd
>party book for help using thier word processor.  Any word processor that
>doesn't AT LEAST come with all the documentation you need (be it in a book
>or on-line ;) ) isn't worth buying in my book (menu ;) ).

This is generally a good idea, but there are definitely certain things that
need to be on paper.  For example, installation instructions.  Can you
imagine buying a compiler package with no installation guide, so that you
had to install it correctly to even read the installation instructions?
Also, a reference to things like command line options or other quick
reference material is always nice to have sitting on the desk beside you
as you work.

One big disadvantage of online documentation is that the technical writer
(that's me) who documents the software loses a lot of control over the
appearance of the output, not to mention it would probably be very difficult
to include pictures and figures in a simple ASCII help file.  Of course,
none of this paragraph is true for the example of word processing software.

It would make things easier if the Amiga came bundled with a decent (not
NotePad) word processing program so that all documentation could be
distributed in some other form than ASCII.

Ben
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:15:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

WPK@cup.portal.com (Kenneth Pak-kin Wong) writes:

>>Amiga 4000 Preliminary:
>>
>>Hard Disk:  AT-BUS (IDE)
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Not SCSI??? I would be surprised, and disappointed!

As someone has already pointed out--this might be a smart move on
C='s part.  A4000 owners can then go out and buy those large and inexpensive
IBM harddrives.

I am sure CSA, GVP, etc. will probably come out with some sort of 
accelerators for the A4000--and they probably will come with a SCSI-II 
adaptor... just my opinion.


>O|O
> v   WPK

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

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From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:32:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In <mykes.0d87@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}In article <l9t5ehINNo04@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
}> In <mykes.0d3i@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}> }In article <l9g14sINNt6k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
}> }> In <mykes.0d1f@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}> }> }In article <l9ao53INNt1k@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
}> }> }> In <mykes.0cz5@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
}> }> }> >Remember my prediction of $2/share in february!
}> }>
}> }> }> In February, 1993, I'll give you $500 in exchange for 200 shares of
}> }> }> stock in Commodore.
}> }>
}> }> }Not with you for that lousy deal.
}> }>
}> }> What requirements would a deal have to have in order for it not to
}> }> be lousy in your opinion?
}>
}> }I'll buy the stock in Februrary at market value, and you buy the stock from
}> }me then at today's price.
}>
}> Well, this is what I suspected.  You really do not have much confidence in
}> your prediction of $2/share if February.
}>

}Not at all.  You are offering me $5 a share for something worth ~$7.

No, I was offering to give you $2.50 a share in February for something that
you predict will then be worth $2 a share.  Obviously that is a lousy deal
if it is worth more than $2.50 a share then.

Now, if your prediction is wrong, and the stock is (for example) at $7/share
in February, you'd lose money.  If you have no confidence in your prediction,
than I can see how you'd consider my offer to be lousy.

--
Richard

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:42:15 GMT

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>I heard in a recent post that the list on CD-I has just been dropped to $699,
>>but every prediction for MPEG has stood at $200. You may be right here, with
>>$700, but I can still get much better [movie] quality for half that. It'll be
>>interesting how Commodore reacts to this price cut.
>
>I have the impression the existing CD-I players can't be expanded. If so,
>then buying one of these right now would be a mistake.

The current Philips consumer players (CDI-910) have a slot on the back
for the MPEG card.  The Philips color LCD portable (CDI-360) can also
be docked to an expansion box which takes the card.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:36:59 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug8.182523.23736@utstat.uucp> 
  <kdarling.713421840@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>
  <1992Aug20.162803.19991@knight.vf.ge.com>
  <kdarling.714462362@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>
  <1992Aug23.005612.11280@knight.vf.ge.com>


>I heard in a recent post that the list on CD-I has just been dropped to $699,
>but every prediction for MPEG has stood at $200. You may be right here, with
>$700, but I can still get much better quality for half that. It'll be
>interesting how Commodore reacts to this price cut. As for quality, please

I have the impression the existing CD-I players can't be expanded. If so,
then buying one of these right now would be a mistake.

As soon as CD-I Mk.2 is released, I'm going to try to pick up the original
for $200 off some poor guy who is either disgusted or wants the new player.

Its worth $200 just for the CD-G capability.

In fact, I have a standing offer: I'll offer $200 for a CD-I unit. Must be
in working condition, and must look good cosmetically.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.022348.8072@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
> o the 2.1 release will be promoted as an Enhancer Kit, as it is primarily
>   Workbench-related and can utilize the existing 2.0 ROM, without need for
>   the 3.0 Kickstart. New machines will require 3.0 for additional hardware
>   support.

The only problem with this is that existing owners who only get to
buy 2.1 don't get the non-AA specific improvements present in the new 
ROM.

>Mark

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From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: flamefest '92
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:34:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Aug28.153614.21744@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

>>Jeff Young's use of grammar is so bad that his writings are nearly
>>unintelligible. If you were watching a science fiction movie, and the movie
>>had a computer in it that spoke like Jeff writes, you would be spending
>>most of your time scratching your head and asking the person next to you,
>>"What did he say?"
>
>Hey... (though I know we shouldn't be this mean to Jeff) should we
>let Jeff converse with Eliza, and try our best to figure out who's who?

Gee, if Jeff fails the Turing test, does that mean he's no longer a person?
:-)

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:33:29 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
>	I think XMS and EMS fits the discription of kludge that someone
>	posted.  I believe the definition was from Byte.  Would someone
>	repost the definition?  I don't want to paraphrase.
>

Lots of things may fit that definition, including FlickerFixers and
BridgeBoards.

>
>	Jerry, I didn't claim to have any 'divine right' to post here.
>

That's nice.

>
>	It is becoming obvious that you have a serious problem accepting
>	that people can find the Amiga perfectly suitable for their needs
>	and don't want to rush out and buy a PC clone because you say 
>	PCs are better.
>

Stop putting words in my mouth.  I have no problem with people who use
the Amiga -- I myself used one for almost 3 years.  I have a problem with
people who bash other systems just to reassure themselves that they
made the right choice.

>
>	BTW, mister informed genius, if all us lowly uniformed types are
>	annoying you, why don't you go play with you PC clone buddies and
>	leave this group alone?  Oh yeah, you feel a divine right to set
>	us straight. ARE WE PRIVLEDGED OR WHAT? sheesh.
>

What would .advocacy be without a couple of different points of view?  A bunch
of Amigoids patting each other on the back for spending their money so wisely?

>
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization,  My opinions only **
>
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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New CommodeDoor announcements!!!
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:22:58 PST
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA

In article <Btu4DB.n4E@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
> []
> 
> Hey guys! Lookee at what I found on the Screw-the-Lawyers BBS!

[...]

> COMMODE-DOOR TO ANNOUNCE BLAZESTATION 4000


[...]

> BLAZESTATION!!! BUY IT OR LITTLE FURRY THINGS WILL EAT OUT YOUR  
> INTESTINES!!
> 
> BLAZEMONGER!!! SHOUT IT WHEN YOU SAY IT, OR YOU'LL LOSE IT WHEN YOU  
> PLAY IT!

> -- 
> "There is no problem too big that can't be solved with high explosives"-Rush
> 
> Mike Smithwick - ames!zorch!mike
> 


Hah!  Thanks for a most entertaining article, Mike.  I bet my roommates
think I'm a crazy person when I am laughing out loud at 2:30am.  If they
only knew what I was laughing at...  :-)

Good job.  Dan couldn't have done better...  (or could he?  We'll see.  ;-)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:59:31 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
: In article <1992Aug27.225903.5794@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: >However, the fact is that this isn't being used as a processor
: >upgrade, as in the 2000/3000.  It's also not being used as a graphics
: >upgrade, as the LocalBus.  It's being used as a bus.  They're putting
: >cards into this processor slot which on either of the above types of
: >systems would have gone into a real bus and therefore have access to
: >bus-mastering, DMA, and more importantly, you're not limited to ONE.
: 
: How many lies can you put into one posting?? Developer said 030/040
: and video upgrade can be made CHEAP and easy for Falcon.  WHERE is
: cheap boards and cards for A3000 and A600? People want cheap hardware
: not cheap vapor!

WATCH WHO YOU'RE CALLING A LIAR, YOU FEEBLEMINDED LITTLE FOOL.

LocalBus is an IBM "thing".  It has nothing to do with the falcon, so
it's of no concern to the posting you made.

And I didn't say it wasn't being used as a processor upgrade.  It is.
It's ALSO being used as a general purpose bus, which it ISN'T.  As
well as being the place to put a processor upgrade, system emulator,
ethernet board, or any other EXPANSION you'd want to put into a REAL
bus.

Processor direct slots should be used for processor upgrades.  They're
NOT a real bus, and they're NOT a good replacement.  A REAL bus would
let you put your macintosh emulator, your IBM emulator, AND your
ethernet card into the system ALL AT ONCE.  You could have ALL of it,
and with the falcon, you've got to select ONE.

The reason a LOT of people bought 2000's, including me, was because
they wanted more expansion than one slot.

Get the point?  You're due for a retraction for that little comment of
yours.

Greg

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:03:18 GMT

In <1992Sep1.182122.9807@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>Even if this was remotely possible, it certainly wouldn't be feasible.

The extra cost to make a Zorro-III (i.e. fast) board to run (much slower)
in a Zorro-II environment is neglible (somewhere in the $20-$30 range).

Regards
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:18:18 GMT

In article <jbickers.0e4r@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Aug30.152045.25571@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
>
>> Oh, well, if we do this, count me out.   The only Amiga I know of anywhere
>> is at an Amiga/Clone dealer in town.  I don't know how cooperative they'd
>
>    Pretty dense. Why not find yourself a program like VPIC on the PC
>    that can display IFF files? Or find an IFF to GIF converter that
>    runs on the PC... there are a few of them about, that will even do
>    HAM...

I guess I AM pretty dense in that case, since I have NO FREAKING IDEA
_what_ 'IFF' is or means.  Is 'VPIC' the name of a ftp-able PD
IFF 'viewer'.  What does 'displaying' 'IFF files' mean?
Also, do you know the names (so I can archie search for them) or the IFF
or HAM-->GIF converters?

Thanks-

>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.203809.12523@endicor.com> tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) writes:
>feature, like VM.  Some have it, some do not.  OS/2 has VM, the Amiga
>does not.  AmigaOS is a realtime OS, OS/2 is not.  It's a design

IBM claimed that OS/2 1.x was realtime, and in fact documented maximum
interrupt latency and task switch latency.  I don't know about OS/2
2.0, but it's still possible.

>Realtime also means determinism. For example, there are very few VM
>systems that are realtime (there are a few, but they are relatively rare
>and OS/2 is not one of them). The reason for this is that a section of
>code can't be guarunteed to always take the same number of cycles to
>run under the same circumstance when the data or code memory that has to
>be accessed might have to be swapped in. The same code might take vastly
>different amounts of time to run depending on VM.

An operating system that offers virtual memory can still be real-time.
It simply must allow a program to lock itself into memory.  OS/2
allows this.

>It also usually implies that the OS is relatively low-overhead, and the
>task switch time is minimized (at the cost of some features)

I see lots of real-time OS vendors making performance claims, like
"interrupt delivery to task activation in 280ns!"  In fact the only
hard-and-fast definition is determinism, that the system will respond
predictably.  By this definition, guaranteed interrupt response of 2
seconds is still real-time, but few people would buy it, so you're
right, high performance is usually implied.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:35:13 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: GUI with documentation................what a joke.

Everything has documentation.  Everything from the OS, to the
programmer's documentation, to the commands for the WorkBench and
Shells.

Of course, if you've got an Amiga, hypertext is becoming the standard
form of documentation through AmigaGuide.  Not that I'd imagine you
know what that is, most people don't -- yet.

Greg

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From: agata@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (place your name between the quote marks, please)
Subject: test
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:03:36 GMT

Test. Please no flames. I could not post to this group. I try again.