From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen)
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Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising - Robert Jordan (SPOILERS)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:03:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Oct16.130355.4896
Organization: Wright State University

article <81736@ut-emx.uucp>, chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.111930.4628@desire.wright.edu> cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen) writes:
> 
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>>Some questions:
>>2. What in tarnation happened to Mat inside the ter'angreal in Rhuidean?
> This is my theory: The "Snakes" answer questions, the "Foxes" grant
> requests.  Mat asked(without realizing) to have the gaps in his memory
> filled, to be free of Aes Sedai, and to leave the Foxes' world.  We
> know he was granted the first and the third, and I assume the medallion
> is the second.
>
I hate it when I know what will happen before it happens.  I _hope_ that 
the theories flying around are not totally correct.  But it seems to fit
that Mat now has the ability to "give up half the light" of the world to
save the world:  i.e. blind the one of the eyes of the world (as someone
referenced Odin hanging from a tree with one eye blinded) to free himself
of the "power" (which I recall was along the lines of his request in the
ter'angreal in Rhuidean.  It (alas) seems likely that he will stop Rand
from breaking the world, after Rand has defeated You Know Who, by stopping up
the male source (or something along those lines.)  (Not to suggest that I 
want Rand to break the world... 8)

What, though is the black spear/sword thing and what special powers does
it have?

>> 7. I still wonder about Ordeith (Padain Fain)?  Who or what is he?
> 
> Fain is a combination of Padan Fain, a Darkfriend whose soul was touched
> by Ishamael and Shai'tan; and Mordeth, a man of mysterious power who's been
> trapped in the dead city of Shadar Logoth since the Trolloc Wars.

I knew that (honestly 8)  It had temporarily slipped my mind.  However,
what I really do not know is what part he plays in the end game.  Have we
ever been given a _good_ explanation about Mordeth?

> Slayer is a combination of the body of Lord Luc, Prince of Andor, brother
> to Tigraine; and the soul of Isam, Prince of Malkier, taken by Trollocs
> a baby.

Where do we _know_ this from?  I need refereces (I missed something...)
i.e., Luc is brother to Tigraine, Isam is Prince of Malkier, Slayer is both?

>>8. Lord Luc/Slayer (Lan's cousin?) what part does he play?  What happens
>>when Perrin goes in the tower he should avoid?
> What I want to know is, what connection is there between Slayer and
> the Tower of Ghenjei?

Where is the Tower mentioned other than in Shadow Rising?  Eye of the World?

>>10. Where is Moghedien, did bale fire get her? (Probably not)  What about
>>Samael, and the rest?
> Sammael is in Illian, ruling.  Rahvin is in Caemlyn, calling himself
> Gaebril.  No idea about Demandred.  Moghedien (IMHO) had a trick that
> dropped her physically into *Tel'aran'rhiod* (Remember, Rand did it at the
> end of Book 3) ;Birgitte said she was very good with it.

I knew about Sammael, but don't know his part in future books.  My "What about"
above was confusing and did not mean "Where are they?"  It meant "What will
they do?" 

Where do we know Gaebril == Rahvin?  I missed that too.  How about the other
female mentioned in the list of Foresakens?  (there are 3 I believe)

>         C h r i s t i a n  G a d e k e n

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