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From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Summary: Butthead
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <MeqOdC200Uh_437udu@andrew.cmu.edu>, tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes...
>How about "Can the Bills go 8-8?"


	Haw haw.  A real side-splitter.  Woo!  Yeah, boy, I think you should
give up your day job and be a comedian.  Please, go away.

Jonny B.
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tech-Cumberland score (was: biggest NFL score)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:39:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Someone mentioned the 222-0 score.  Tech was the victor in this game.
It was played in 1916, and Tech was coached by John Heisman.  There is great
book all about that game called, "You dropped it, you pick it up!"  This title
comes from a statement that one of the Cumberland players said to another after
he fumbled and asked his teammate to recover the ball, with Tech way ahead, and
with Tech players bearing down on them.  I've heard that the reason for the 
ridiculous score is that Heisman was furious over the media taking the Southern
teams lightly, over the media regarding huge scores against inferior teams as
being good, so he went out to prove that anyone could run up an outrageous
score.  Interestingly, the next year, Tech became the first Southern school
to win the NC, in 1917.  Also, Cumberland discontinued their football program
after the debacle and reinstated it only a couple of years ago.
-- 
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:13:32 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <21039@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>Occassionally, these AFC teams run into some mighty NFC teams
>as part of their regular season schedule and are rendered a
>thorough spanking and these fans
> come out of their stupor: See the 30-0
>rout of the Broncos by the Eagles.

Or maybe, the Bills over the 49ers???
>
-- 
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uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:39:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct9.105248.9055@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.
com writes:
>Browns News - Oct 9th
>---------------------
>
>3. Predictions:
>   - Pittsburgh has a strong defense and they should be able to stop the
>     Browns running game.  Thus the Browns will try a couple of trick
>     plays (ie end-arounds or halfback option passes.) A couple of
>     successful trick plays will keep the defense guessing.
>   - The Browns will need to go deep a couple of times so as to get the
>     safeties and cornerbacks away from the line of scrimmage.
>   - The defense MUST stop the running game and MUST pressure the QB.
>     O'Donnell must be forced to pass.
>   - Special teams and the defense must force turnovers.
>
>   Final score: Pitts - 17  Cleveland - 20 on a last second Stover field goal.
>
(Pages and pages of mindless ramblings and crap about the browns deleted.)

Why don't you smell what you're shoveling.  The browns don't stand a chance
against the STEELERS.  To paraphrase Dave:

 "The Steelers are going to chew them up and shit them out browner than their
 name suggests."
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0875            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Week 6 prime matchups 
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 12:13:22 GMT

	Well looking at the schedule for this week the two prime
matchups seem to be:

Philly @ K.C.: Power Defense vs Power offense. If this game were played
		on grass it would be a Madden hall-of-fame game.

Denver @ Wash: 2 teams that really need to establish were their season
		is going, and now is about as late as they can wait.

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:11:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <exujeff.49.718574048@exu.ericsson.se>, exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes...

>>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM       ) writes:
> 
>>>The Vikes are a better team than Detroit.  Not as much better as 4-1 
>>>vs 1-4 might indicate but the Vikings are definately a better team.
> 
>>>They are not in the same class as Philly, Houston, or SF.  That 
>>>doesn't mean they couldn't pull off an upset or 2.
> 
>             HOUSTON??!!??!!??!!??
>             What in the world does Houston have?  An average O-LINE and a
>             swiss cheese defense.
> 
>             PHILLY IS THE ONLY TEAM I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE SCHEDULE.
>             49ers D is prime for the VIKES O.  Somothering Young is the 
>             KEY to stopping the 49ers attack.

I wish you were the Vikings head coach.  I can see that you'd 
have them very well prepared mentally for each game.  Pre-game speech: 
"Okay, team.  Don't worry about Houston.  Their offensive line is 
average."  

Sheesh, a team goes 4-1 against some average (at best) teams and all 
of a sudden they're world-beaters.  3 of the Vikings 4 wins were by 
less than 1 TD.  They had to go into OT to beat the Packers for god's 
sake.

If the Vikings can get beat by the Lions, they can get beat by the 
Oilers.

JGH
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules-question
Keywords: Rules,kick-off
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct15.110254.10475@cs.hut.fi>, killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle 
	Kivimaa) writes...

>No.  You can score a field goal with a scrimmage kick or a free kick
>after a fair catch.  Thus, a touchback.

After a fair catch?  Get out of town...

Someone tell me that's not true...

					---Chet Zeshonski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Barry Word and Mike Sherrard
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:30:36 GMT
Distribution: usa

What's the word on Barry and Mike Sherrard?  I noticed neither showed up in
the stats this week.  Will they start this week?  Thanks.


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Dale Drummond  


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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins #1
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:49:10 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16


| Personally I would like to see more Blitz called. 

I like to bust every person that says this.  The Dolphins DO blitz and try
to often.  The problem is that when they do happen to blitz they get burned
(see Rison, Reed,...), you rather have good coverage and let your down lineman
get to the QB, eventually they will if the secondary does its job.

Dolphins will do this more against the sappy Pats, and their sappy offensive
line.

Joe Sosa
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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Dahlin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: television telecasts...
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:12:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York



further, 
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From: cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli)
Subject: Music for NFL Highlight Films
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:31:59 GMT

	Growing up, I'd live for the syndicated NFL
highlight shows with the legendary John Facenda
giving the voice-overs. I remember in the 1970's
1980's time frame, they would advertise a record album that 
had the music that they used while Facenda was talking. I don't
know any of the song names, but I'd love to get my hands on that 
album.

	Where can I get that LP today? Would some netter 
with a kind soul tape this for me if I provided a casette and return
postage?

	As much as I love pro football, I do not read this newsgroup
on a regular basis. Therefore, can all responses be sent via e-mail?


						Thanks
						Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:44:49 CDT

In article 29035@macc.wisc.edu, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.085434.661@totaltec.com>, mark@totaltec.com writes...
>
>>In article <1992Oct2.152935.1623@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>> 
>>> Companies *compete* against each other.  NFL teams, in reality, do not
>>What REALITY are you refering to? I watched some games yesterday and the
>>teams were definitily competing against each other!
>
>Sheesh!  You deleted the rest of the message where I explained this 
>very carefully for numbskulls just like you.  NFL teams do *NOT* 
>complete financially.  They share revenue, they have one commissioner, 
>they are all part of one league.  The illusion that they are competing 
>companies is caused by the fact that they compete on the field.
>
>You want to know what reality I'm talking about?  I'm talking about 
>the reality of the balance sheet for each team.  What you watched on 
>Sunday is a *GAME*.  Get it?
>
>If you still believe that NFL teams are competing companies ask 
>youself this: Would a team be better off if they somehow managed to 
>drive the rest of the league out of business?
>
>JGH


I still haven't figured out why the NFL (and other sports leagues) are
supposedly violating anti-trust laws simply because they hold drafts,
don't compete financially among the fanchises, etc.  It seems to me
that the NFL as a whole could be considered the 'company', which then
competes with other sports leagues for the services of the players.
(Granted, there aren't too many competing leagues out there, but that
is another issue).  

Once a player decides he wants to sell his services to the NFL, the
league (company) decides which of its teams (branch offices) the player
(employee) will work in.  If the player doesn't like his working
location, he can request a transfer (trade), or take his services
elsewhere (CFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Japan, WLAF, etc) if he's good enough.

So where is the violation?  One could argue that the NFL is a monopoly,
(which it's not), but the NFL doesn't prevent other leagues from
forming, it simply out-competes them for fans when they do form, and
the other league eventually folds.  Now, I'm certainly no lawyer, but
it tends to irk me when the players (who are making obscene amounts of
money anyway) cry to the courts when the league rules for enhancing
competitiveness get in the way of them making even more obscene amounts
of money.

Anyway, 'nuff said.

Dave Peterschmidt
The Pack is on the way back...
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:15:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct7.194732.15731@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.173726.6687@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
>>RE:No shows in Superbowls...
>>Isn't simply getting to the superbowl good enough.  It means that the two teams
>>in it are the best in their respective conferences.  
>>
>>And remember this... statistically, the Broncos DO NOT HAVE THE WORST SUPERBOWL
>>RECORD!  The Minnesota Vikings do.  I'm not sure of the exact score, but they
>>are also 0-4 and were outscored by more points and have never led a superbowl.
>>So there.  "Take that to the bank"
>>
>>later...peace

Wait.... Denver has lost 27-10, 39-20, 42-10 and 52-10 in the SB. They have lost
by a combined score of 160-50 or an average of 40-13... 


Minnesota on the other hand has lost  20-7, 24-3, 16-7, and 22-7. 

This maps out to 82-24 or an average of 21-6.  I'd say Denver owns the SuperBowl
spanking title by a large margin unless you count the Patriots' 45-10
ass-kickin they took in their only appearance. 


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: calvin@meaddata.com (Calvin Barber)
Subject: Re: Delpino
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:09:31 GMT

In article <36978@nerd.ease.arco.com>, madkins@nerd.ease.arco.com (Mike Adkins) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know how long Delpino is supposed to be out?

He is out until at least the 10th week.

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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots  "The longest season"
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:15:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct14.160759.11516@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
>In article <1bhev4INN8b2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>>
>>The running game had flashes against the 9ers, especially when Stephens
>>ran the ball, but it too is not really acceptable.
>>
>
>It may just be me, but does anyone think that the Patriots running
>game looks "funny"?  On a handoff, Millen seems to pause for a second,
>and then Stephens seems to pause for a second looking for a hole.  The
>whole thing looks as though you are watching a low motion replay.
>Most teams handoff to q back quickly, and then give him the choice of
>blowing through a hole, or picking his way through the line - the
>point is that the time from snap to handoff is very short.  It seems
>that the linebackers are generally on the Patriot backs before they
>have a chance to really get going, but it's because the backs aren't
>running to start with.  

Hmm. I think you are partially right. The handoffs may be a little
slow, but the linebackers are unblocked, and need only a split second
to get into the backfield. I think a combination of poor blocking
and slightly slower handoffs has really hurt the running game.


>
>This seems most prevalent on traps and dives (and counters, if you can
>call what the Patriots run a "counter").  
>
>Oh well, I'm not a Pats fans - just stuck here in Boston, so I get to
>see them play every week...

If you aren't a Pats fan, watching a Pats game is not exciting, but
it is laughable.

If you are a PAts fan, you get excited when your team scores a field goal 
in the first half, and get pretty depressed as the 0 for season drags on.

>
>
>Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott)
Subject: Re: How to beat the Bills?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.183415.20090@uts.cc.wayne.edu> delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge) writes:
>In article <1992Oct07.160324.52273@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.162751.7685@spuddy.uucp> markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:
>>>
>		<Stuff deleted>
>
>There's only one true way to beat the Bills. It has been tested twice before
>in the recent past. Play them in the Superbowl!!!!!
>
>De Vaughn
> Delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu
>
THAT'S C-O-L-D !!!

-- 
Roderick Scott|This Line Intentionally Left Blank|Texas Instruments
rscott@ti.com |				         |Fax (214) 995-0403

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Best postseason QB performance (was Re: Best Performance)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<1992Oct6.042004.18245@PacBell.COM>
	<1992Oct8.051518.10909@ncar.ucar.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.051518.10909@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>...isn't Joe Montana's!
>
>Lookie here (minimum 100 attempts, top 5 all-time)
>
>Name           Games Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
>-------------- ----- ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
>Bart Starr       10   213   130   61.0   1753   8.23   15  7.0    3  1.4 104.8
>Joe Montana      19   593   375   63.2   4758   8.02   39  6.6   17  2.9  98.2
> ...

to go along with that rating:

Name		Games	Years	Record	Champs.
--------------- -----	-----	------	-------
Bart Starr	  10	60-67	  9-1	   5
Joe Montana	  19	81-90	 14-5	   4

bart's only qb loss in the playoffs was on what might be considered the most
important defensive play in nfl history, as chuck bednarik stopped jim
taylor on the two yard line, causing the clock to run out and giving philly
their last nfl championship.

of joe's five qb playoff losses, only two were really close: the 24-21 loss
to the '83 redskins in rfk, on what many considered a questionable
interference call/non-call late in the game; and the 15-13 loss to the
giants in '90, spurred by roger craig's fumble after joe was knocked out of
the game late.  joe was also knocked out of the '86 game with the giants
early, but it may not have mattered much, as the giants rolled, 49-3.  in
fact, of the 49ers playoff foes, they have more losses to the giants (3)
than to the other nine(!) opponents they've faced (2), and only the giants
can claim a winning playoff record (3-2) against joe's 49ers.

>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

-johndoe

p.s. other comparisons of note: green bay had appeared in several
championship games before bart's arrival, winning three, but had not won a
championship since at least 20 years before bart (& vince) arrived.  san
francisco had only made four playoff appearances, no championship
appearances, and were the victims of two of the greatest comebacks in nfl
playoff history: detroit came from 27 points down to beat the 49ers in a
divisional playoff in the late 50s (1957?), and roger staubach led a two-
touchdown fourth-quarter rally to beat the 49ers in the early 70s.  sf had
not appeared in the playoffs since at least 8 years before montana (& walsh)
led them there in 1981/2.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mark Hopper)
Subject: Re: Packers cut Billups
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:33:25 GMT

In article <56415@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes:
>
>  I read in the paper this morning that the Packers cut Lewis Billups.
>Does this mean that Buckley is ready to start? 
>  
>Mark Nass
>

  I read in the paper also that he was cut.  From what I can remember, the 
  article said that Buckley started the Atlanta game and that Billups was
  upset over losing his starting job.  I guess he lost more than that now.
  About Buckley being ready to start, I don't know if he is ready to but 
  he will start.  I saw him get burned on one touchdown pass from Miller to
  Rison in the Atlanta game.  Buckley looked completely lost on the play.
 
  MH
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bermanisms question
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:03:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Someone asked about Willie "Soviet" Drewry.  Its a play on Soviet Jewry.  Which
was in the news more before Glasnost than after.  The Soviet government would
crack down on Jews (for being Jewish) and various Americans and other peoples
would decry the plight of Soviet Jewry.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Super Bowl as Alpha and Omega, again (was Re: Eagles : YIKES!)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:02:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.214603.25958@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jg> John P. Gloria
>
>jg> All you guys harp on what their current standings are, etc., etc., and
>    state that the SB is only one game and that it shouldn't be a barometer to
>    measure a teams greatness. Sorry, but I must be the lone advocate on my
>    viewpoint that the SB is the only measurement. Sorry, excuses about tipped
>    passes or "could/should haves" and winnning more games in the regular
>    season or more comebacks will not buy a SB ring.
>
>  No-one has said any different.
>
>  Let me point out that the SB is dependent on regular-season games, and play-
>  off games, and tipped passes/comebacks during those games. The reverse is
>  not true. The SB has a place in judging a team's greatness. It does not do
>  so well as the *sole* metric for judging a team's greatness. There have been
>  lots of good teams who have never played in an SB. Namely, any team before
>  1966. 
>
>  Of course, I wouldn't expect a Forty-Whiner fan to understand. Living off
>  *past* glory makes it easier to rationalize away the 49ers poorer perform-
>  ance of the last couple of seasons. Just as Packer fans, Dolphin fans, Cow-
>  boys fans, and Steeler fans have learned, a team cannot be "the Greatest" 
>  forever. However, John just doesn't seem to realize that.
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

Gary, I thought you were only allowed to get out of your straight
jacket on weekends? 

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
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