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From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Boundry Rules Question
Date: 5 Oct 1992 04:17:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
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In a previous article, Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe) says:

>I overheard a discussion about this topic on the sidelines today
>at the Chowdahfest.  I didn't stick around for all of it, but the
>more I think about it, the less I am sure about the general rules
>on the subject.  A quick word search of the current FTP'able rules
>provided no insight on the matter, even though one of the sideline
>crowd claimed that it was contained in them.
>Anyhow, what's either the "official" rule that I can't find, or
>the general consesus ruling on the following:
>
>A player seeing a floater cross the boundry line, runs herself
>out-of-bounds, jumps and catches it in the air, and lands in bounds.
>
>Is there a rule on last-point-of-contact before leaping must be inbounds?
>
>--adam "The single most difficult move with a disc is to put it down." lowe
>        (quote taken from the Ten Commandments of the Disc)
>
It is my understanding that this would result in a turnover. The player's
last point of contact must have been in-bounds. This also comes into effect
with the "greatest play ever." The player must launch from in-bounds to grab
the disk that is going out of bounds before hurling to a teammate in-bounds
and thus garnering the fame and glamour associated with having successfully
performed the "play." Same logic applies. If you launch from O-B, you are
O-B, regardless of whether or not the disc ends up in play. 

							Chris
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From: "Thomas Griesbaum" <KA04@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Another O/B question
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:02:17 GMT

> In article <1992Sep25.200821.25539@icd.teradyne.com>,
> eisenhof@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Karl Eisenhofer) said:
>
> >If a player catches a frisbee with one food planted firmly out
> >and the other planted firmly inbounds, is that out or in?
>
> Chances are that one does not land with both feet at the same
> instant.  So, ideally one should be able to figure out which
> foot landed first.  If the in foot was first, then it is in.  If
> the out foot landed first, then it is out.
> IMHO, in cases where the player felt that both feet landed at the
> same time, I would rule out.  If we define both feet as first point
> of contact, then included in the first point of contact is a spot
> that is out-of-bounds, thus the player is out.
>
I don't think the player was in the air while catching (his feet
where "planted firmly"). Whenever you are touching anything what is
out of bounds while catching that catch results into a turnover.

> 1.5 cents.   -adam
My 2 Pfennigs.

-------
Thomas Griesbaum, Ultimate Team Gummibaerchen Karlsruhe, Germany
ka04@dkauni2.bitnet/ka04@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/thgries@ira.uka.de
From: arice@lab7.smcm.edu (Andrew E. Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Attn: Tom Kerner
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:10:46 GMT


Tom:

I thought I'd give you a cheap thrill and contact you on the disc  
billboard.

Thomas
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Central Plains sectionals
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:18:09 GMT

Saturday was pool play, with these results:

Pool A          Pool B

Windy City      Fork Boys
Ball State      Fish Bellies
Purdue          Spin-Itch
Illinois        Indiana
South Bend      Full Tilt (SIU)
??? 

(I think there may have been a sixth team in pool A.)

Sunday was, after much debate, played as an eight-team, single-elimination
tournament:

Windy City    _______Windy City
Indiana
                                    _____Windy City
Purdue        _______Fish Bellies
Fish Bellies
                                                       ___Windy City
Spin-Itch     _______Spin-Itch
Ball State
                                    _____Fork Boys
Illinois      _______Fork Boys
Fork Boys


Fish Bellies beat Spin-Itch for third place, so the teams qualifying for
regionals are City, Fork, and Fish Bellies, with Rockford taking the 
fourth spot if this section gets one.



-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
 "A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other,
  if they don't destroy their knees first, or start sleeping with 
  each other's girlfriends." - Rigler, about Indiana Ultimate
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From: "Thomas Griesbaum" <KA04@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: This is where you can find the 9th edition rules of Ultimate
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:42:39 GMT

Seeing this question appear about once a week here is what the FAQ
says:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
3)  Is there an FTP site for Disc stuff?
     ------------------------------------

     A anonymous FTP site for the rec.sport.disc archives has been set
     up, courtesy of Gary Lewandowski.  You may download copies of
     various rules and the current FAQ via anonymous FTP from:
             ^^^^^

       sabertooth.cs.wisc.edu

     in the directories pub/ultimate.

     Anyone without FTP access should contact Gary directly by sending
     mail to gary@cs.wisc.edu.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thomas Griesbaum, Ultimate Team Gummibaerchen Karlsruhe, Germany
ka04@dkauni2.bitnet/ka04@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/thgries@ira.uka.de
From: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: tourneys in ohio oct 31
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:33:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
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does anyone know of any tourneys in ohio! for the last weekend of october?
or is anyone interested in coming to ada, ohio?
-- 
Marc "elvis" Queen
*4th yr Pharmacy student at Ohio Northern*
*Founder of ONU Ultimate Frisbee*
115 1/2 S Main St, Ada, OH 45810
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: afalcone@oak.math.ucla.edu (Anthony Falcone)
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:47:16 GMT


In article <25740005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:
>The offensive player cut to the sideline and his teammate threw the disc to
>him. The catch was not clean - he "bobbled it" for a few seconds before
>catching it. While bobling it he was clearly O/B (he admitted this), but
>when he finally had the disc under control, he had stepped in bounds.
>
>He maintained that since he did not have control of the disc until he was
>in bounds, he should be considered in bounds.
>
>The dissenting opinion was that since he was O/B when he first contacted the
>disc, and bobbled it for a few seconds while moving inbounds, it should
>be O/B.
>
>What would you call this? O/B or I/B? Why?
>

This (to me) is clearly O/B: a basic guideline in determining whether
a person is in or out is: "you are where your feet were last."  When a
player sees a disc going O/B, (s)he can leap into the air (while still
in bounds), catch the disc and throw it back in bounds before hitting
the ground.  This is considered a legitimate save.  Contrariwise, if
you are an offensive player who is standing O/B, and you *touch* the
disc, then that disc is now O/B as well, and this is a turnover.
There is none of this silly "breaking the plane" business like in
football.  Therefore, in the above scenario, if the bobbler was at any
time in contact with the ground O/B, since he was touching the disc,
the disc is O/B.  Moreover, even if he started out O/B, saw the disc
coming and jumped up, bobbled/caught the disc and then landed in
bounds, the disc would still be considered O/B, having been touched by
a player who is considered O/B ("you are where your feet were last.")

Does this seem like the correct interpretation?

Tony Falcone (afalcone@math.ucla.edu)
--
I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive.
I am not young, and I love life.  But I should scorn to shiver with terror
at the thought of annihilation.  Happiness is none the less true happiness
because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value
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From: cmparris@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish)
Subject: Ultimate Questions
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:49:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA



  Can someone tell me

1) Where to get the offical ultimate disc and price?             

2) Where to get an offical copy of the rules (a true printed copy...)

Chris Parrish
cmparris@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Subject: DELAWARE BREEZE AND TREEZE - PDGA DISC GOLF
Keywords: disc golf
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:26:38 GMT


Delaware Disc Golfers Present the

   'Breeze And Treeze'

'Breeze and Treeze' is a 2 day event that consists
of 2 seperate 1 day PDGA sanctioned tournaments.
Each tournament is for PDGA points. There is usually an
overall type prize for those attending both tournaments.
The course are within a 1/2 hour drive of each other.

The 1st day consists of the 'Breeze' portion of the tournament.
This tournament is called 'Brandywine Creek Classic' and is being
held at the newly redesigned Brandywine Creek State Park course near 
Wilmington, Delaware. This course features mostly long open holes 
with decent elevation changes to challenge golfers. This course has been called
Brandywind so the 'Breeze' name really applys here. This tournament is on
Saturday October 17th and is for PDGA points. This is the first tournament
held on the redesigned course. 

The 2nd day consists of 'Treeze' portion of the tournament.
This tournament is called the 'Lums Pond Beaver Open' and is being held at
the course on the grounds of Lums Pond State Park near Newark, 
Delaware. This course is almost all in the woods and requires both 
accuracy and power(to a lesser degree), thus the 'Treeze' portion
of the event was born. This tournament is being held on
Sunday October 18th and is for PDGA points.

Both tournaments os this event have filled up the past 2 years so you
may want to sign up in advance. For further information:

Bill Yerd: (302) 652-3799

+++++++++++&&&&&&&&++++++++++++*************+++++++++++++++

The course at Brandywine has been changed. 9 holes have been either totally
removed or modified in some way. The distance is about the same.
Difficulty wise will depend on who is playing. There are more
downhill shots than on the old course. Some of them are pretty dangerous
(ie. throw a little to far and you throw a lot to far because the basket
may be close to the top of a hill or creek).
I have made preliminary measurements(little measuring wheel). They are 
accurate enough for throwing. If you want any more ino on the course,
send me email.




DON'T FORGET THE MARYLAND STATE DISC CHAMPIONSHIPS OCT. 3 & 4 at PARKVILLE
MARYLAND(near Baltimore). CALL TOM EDWARDS @ (410)882-2312



  Troy
  evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu

-- 
T. Saville, PDGA #5399,  GOLF DISCS & MINI'S bought,sold,TRADED|evh@genie.slhs
DELAWARE BREEZE & TREEZE PDGA TOURNAMENT, OCT. 17&18 send email|    .udel.edu
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
Approved: news@is.morgan.com
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 14:07:59 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Distribution: world
Subject: North Carolina INFO

Jeff Masters, the new Sectional Coordinator for North Carolina, has
told me that he has heard rumors of teams (but has no contact
inforamtion) in the following places, and would like to hear from
them:

High Point College
UNC-Chapel Hill
UNC-Greensboro

If anyone from those schools are on the net, drop me a msg at
70540.1522@compuserve.com and also give Jeff Masters a call. 
Jeff's info is:

Jeff Masters
3170 Exacta Ln #512, 
Raleigh, NC 27613 
h: 919-676-3351  
w: 919-848-3347

Thanks,

--  Eric

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: wayneh@meaddata.com (Wayne Haber)
Subject: Tournament Info
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:32:02 GMT
Distribution: usa

I was going to mail this information to the team captains that I know
but I figured word would get around better if I posted.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Spirits of the Game

 Ohio University Tournament
 
 Sunday, Nov 1  1992

 Captains Meeting 10:30


 Also, on Saturday Oct 31, te streets of downtown Athens turn into one
 big Halloween Bash with thousands of idiots parading the streets in
 costumes.  We want you to be one of them.  If you and your team plan
 to come down for the annual street take-over on Saturday Night, we
 can try to find you a place to crash.  If not, hope to see you
 Sunday.

				Joe Smallcomb
				Captain Ultimate
				(614) 593-7841
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do not send questions to me, they don't even know that I posted this.

-- Wayne
   Eat Plastic
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:55:12 -0400 
From: Albert Louis Robertson <ar1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
	<25740005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>

Definitely O.B.

You know the awesome play in which someone jumps/dives out of bounds to
catch a disc, and throws it back in before he/she lands?  It requires
that the last step before leaving the ground be in-bounds.  This is a
very similar case.

I don't remember what section it's in, but the situation you're
describing is basically bobbling an O.B. play back in bounds for a
possession.  Illegal.  To complete that play, he would have had to:
	A. Gain possession completely while toe-ing it in.
	B.  Jump out(starting from in-bounds) and throw it back in to another
player before he touches down out-of bounds.
	
He can't use the argument that he walked it out of bounds, because he
never had possession.  Nor can he make a completed play on the disc
-while touching out of bounds- which forces the disc back in-bounds.

						Mr. 'Bert
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Mid Atlantic Masters

              MASTERS in the MID-ATLANTIC

So far only one team has expressed interest in competing for Masters
division in the Mid-Atlantic - Club Nimeo.  Is there a Philly area
team?  A Baltimore area team?  If so, let me know real soon. 
According to UPA rules, a tentative roster must be submitted to me by
October 10.

--  Eric Simon
From: pbrown@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Tall guys playing frisbee...
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:53:26 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.

Stuart Brown writes:
> 
> Without the SOTG, Ultimate is just a bunch of tall guys playing frisbee.
> 


What?!  You mean you're supposed to be *tall* to play Ultimate???

Geez!  I guess I'll have to quit!  =o)

--Paul
pbrown@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi

(I'm actually not even *short*, I'm just definitely not *tall*)
From: Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Another O/B question
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:56:42 EDT
Organization: Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Sep25.200821.25539@icd.teradyne.com>,
eisenhof@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Karl Eisenhofer) said:

>If a player catches a frisbee with one food planted firmly out
>and the other planted firmly inbounds, is that out or in?

Chances are that one does not land with both feet at the same
instant.  So, ideally one should be able to figure out which
foot landed first.  If the in foot was first, then it is in.  If
the out foot landed first, then it is out.
IMHO, in cases where the player felt that both feet landed at the
same time, I would rule out.  If we define both feet as first point
of contact, then included in the first point of contact is a spot
that is out-of-bounds, thus the player is out.

1.5 cents.   -adam
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From: davidb@is.morgan.com (David Birnbaum)
Subject: FAQ pain and agony
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:13:52 GMT

Alas and alack,

I find my work and being in Japan has made it impossible for me to
keep up the contacts and tournement listings of the FAQ, so I'm
looking for somebody who's willing to take on the dirty, ugly job of
maintaining that part of the list.  I would suggest working with Gary
and company on making those lists available via FTP instead of a FAQ
like they're currently written, but that can be up to anybody
interested in taking over.

I would like to continue to maintain FAQ.1, which contains the
non-date oriented stuff, (like what is Ultimate, Disc Golf, and so on)
but I'll give that up too if somebody wants the whole kit and
caboodle.

Basically, it's most enthusiastic/first responder who gets it.  Go
ahead and send me mail directly.  Please make sure you'll have the
time and energy to maintain it for the next year or so (unlike myself)
...then you'll be able to hand it off too!

Ah...to play Ultimate once again....

Painfully,

David.
--
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Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.   |
New York City, NY  USA           |  Just remember...computers don't write bad
davidb@is.morgan.com             +  code...people do.
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From: eisen@fermat.cs.jhu.edu (Hal Joshua Eisen)
Subject: Tournament in Eureka, CA?
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Keywords: possible tournament eureka humbolt
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:06:07 GMT

Has anyone heard of a tournament which will be held in Eureka, CA?  I play in
a pick-up game in Monterey, and some of the people I play with mentioned
that such a tournament might happen, so I was hoping to get some details.
It was rumored that this tournament would be held at Humbolt State University.
Can anyone affirm or deny these claims?

						Hal

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Boundry Rules Question
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:22:19 GMT


In article <1ao4etINNml9@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe) writes:
>A player seeing a floater cross the boundry line, runs herself
>out-of-bounds, jumps and catches it in the air, and lands in bounds.

Didn't I just type in parts of Section IX in response to a similar
questions? I see someone else already repeated them. Cool.

You're in until you're out and out until you're in, as Yogi would say
before he started doing ads for Pringles.

George
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From: CRAAARB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Hampshire Co-Ed tournament, Anyone for Oct.11 at Yale?
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:47:27 GMT
Organization: Yale University

Subject: Hampshire Co-Ed tournament
Posting this note to thank any Hampshire netters for putting on a fun co-ed tou
rnament. The fields were soft, the bagels and cookies tasty, and the ultimate f
ast and furious. UVM won the tournament handily, crusing to a 4-0 record, but t
o many, the real story was the Yale FOG, who continued their resurgence and mad
e their first final in a number of years. Both the mens and womens teams at Yal
e are chock full o' sophmores, which bodes well for the future. Although an exh
austed FOG squad lost to UVM 15-2 in the final, the FOG looks forward to sectio
nals at SUNY Purchase on the 17th. If any area teams are looking to come down t
o Yale next Sunday for a 4-6 team "tournament", e-mail me at CRAAARB@Yalevm. By
 the way, what was UVM doing at Hampshire. Geez, they're good.
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:30:19 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.


In article <25740005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:
>Here's another O/B question from this weekend's sectionals in Missoula...
>
>The offensive player cut to the sideline and his teammate threw the disc to
>him. The catch was not clean - he "bobbled it" for a few seconds before
>catching it. While bobling it he was clearly O/B (he admitted this), but
>when he finally had the disc under control, he had stepped in bounds.
>
>He maintained that since he did not have control of the disc until he was
>in bounds, he should be considered in bounds.
>
>The dissenting opinion was that since he was O/B when he first contacted the
>disc, and bobbled it for a few seconds while moving inbounds, it should
>be O/B.

The dissenters have it right. 9th Edition, Section IX. OUT-OF-BOUNDS:
  2. A disc is out-of-bounds when it first contacts an out-of-bounds
     area or contacts anything out-of-bounds.
  4. A player is out-of-bounds when s/he is contacting an out-of-bounds
     area. When a player is in the air, his/her in- or out-of-bounds
     is determined by where s/he last contacted the ground.

The only way the above scenario could work out for the thrower would
be if they were OB and didn't touch the disc until *after* they had
first touched completely in bounds. That is, they can't jump from OB
and touch the disc. They have to jump from OB, touch down IB, and then
contact the disc.

George
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: mjlawler@athena.mit.edu (Tross)
Subject: NE Women's spots for Nationals
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:22:00 GMT


Can anyone tell me how many women's teams advance to Nationals
from the Northeast.

Thanks

Mike Lawler