HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: millard@acsu.buffalo.edu (Peter G. Millard)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: North Face Outlet
Keywords: one LI
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:39:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

vsh@etnibsd.uucp (Steve Harris) writes:

>In article <Jul.9.17.51.59.1992.19519@romulus.rutgers.edu> kchu@romulus.rutgers.edu (Kyle Trott Chu) writes:
>>
>>Recently I noticed another North Face Outlet that has
>>been herefore unmentioned on the net.

>As I recall, there is a North Face Outlet in Lincoln, NH (west end of the
>Kankamagus Highway).
>-- 
>... Steve Harris - Eaton Corp. - Beverly, MA - uunet!etnibsd!vsh

Yep, this is correct, however it's not quite at the end of the Kank, here's the
address and phone for anyone interested:

			North Face Factory Outlet
			P.O. Box 970
			Lincoln, NH  03251-0970
			(603)745-3220
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From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: long pants/shorts
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:32:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Jul24.230902.5361@ichips.intel.com> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>Well, there's was an interesting filler piece in the paper the other
>day about whether to cover up or not in the great, hot outdoors.
>

If you want to know how to dress in the desert, look how people who live
in the desert dress.  You don't see them in shorts and T shirts.  What
you do see are breathable (cotton, etc) light colored clothes that
cover much of the body.  If you're in the sun, you'll be cooler in
light long pants and wearing a hat.  In the shade, you'll do better in
shorts and bald.  If the Native Americans of the desert Southwest did
not wear lots of clothes, perhaps it was due the the lack of appropriate
natural fibers?

chris
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hejl@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Mike Hejl)
Subject: Re: Summery of Nike fabic boots...
Followup-To: hejl@asl.dl.nec.com
Summary: Now: Gore-Tex
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:12:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.024638.12491@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jrichard@cs.ulowell.edu (John 'MacGyver' Richardson) writes:
>      1) What do you think about Gore-tex boots?  What is the
>probabilty they will hold up until I get a PhD and not have to worry about
>money?  (3-4 years :)

How about Gore-Tex socks with "normal" (leather of fabric) boots?  I have had
a pair of Gore-Tex socks for a few years now and they have held up well and
still keep my feet dry (even in the swimming pool :-).  I think I bought them
from Campmor (oh no!) for $35 and I have been pleased with them.

I usually wear light liner socks under them but they have enough stretch for
heavy wool or Thermax socks.
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| hejl@asl.dl.nec.com    I don't even speak for myself, much less NEC...    |
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From: gadient@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (JL Gadient)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Camping List
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:08:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Greetings fellow and fellowette lovers of the outdoors!

Does anyone out there have a nice camping list they could share with
me? If this is a FAQ, you could just e-mail it to me; either way
is fine with me. Thanks a bunch.

John     gadient@ecn.purdue.edu      pur-ee!gadient

PS: I am taking my SO on her first camping trip this weekend.
From: kupstas@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Eileen Kupstas)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Help!! My Tevas stink
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:17:12 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

Well, I did my research..

As a good daughter, I tried my dad's (the polymer chemist) suggestion:
a mild Chlorox solution. I've worn the shoes for 4 days now, and (so
far) no smell. I soaked them for 3 hours in a solution of ~1/4 cup
Chlorox in ~2 gallons water, then scrubbed all over with an old tooth 
brush. The color of the webbing is the same as before and the velcro
seems ok, too. The soles seem grippier, but that may be due to the
good scrubbing they received.

Other suggestions I received included:
soak in white vinegar and water
throw in the  swimming pool  (probably equivalent to above)
smear with baking soda and water (made into paste) let sit, then scrub


Thanks for all the suggestions!
Eileen
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Chevron - People Do?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:30:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul31.010714.694@ultra.com> marc@mercutio.ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX}) writes:
>
>A lot of people have responded flatly that this is BS.  I think they
>are wrong, but that does not mean Chevron is being perfectly candid
>about their relationship with the environment.

For what it's worth:
I don't recall the details, but I saw a news report the other day
talking about some specific type of polution from refining and a
comparison showed Chevron was poluting substantially less then the
other three oil companies in the comparison. 
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:20:26 GMT


|> >Today's headline in the San Jose Mercury News  (July 28, 1992)
|> >tells of possiblity of the discovery of a previous unknown 
|> >(to western science) type of goat...etc. (deleted)
|> 
|> I sent an email to the original poster of the question regarding the discovery
|> of a new mammal. I think he was referring (refurring?:-) to a mammal found in
|> Australia within the last month.

No, the article in the paper was about a goat in western Vietnam.  Note
that this wasn't the first human siting of the goat.  Local residents
had a name for it and regularly hunted it for food.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: liability for trip organizers?
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:23:17 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

>alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>>I'm wondering if anyone's ever thought about the liability in getting friends
>>from work or wherever together to go backpacking.
>>can you be sued?  I'm always operated on faith and never had a 
>>problem, but the more I do this kind of thing, the more I wonder, especially
>>as my friends bring friends, etc.  Part of me says "I'm not making anything
>>off this; they know the risks" and part of me says "Get some insurance and
>>cover yourself".

Consider the following: Forget about backpacking for a moment.
Consider the types of activities you might do with friends like
go driving.  Consider then which circumstances you might sue your friends.
CA is one state where car insurance is required (ha!).  However,
improbable, your friends can sue you.  
Just think what it would take?  Consider what it would take for your friends
to sue you.

When you bring suit, all you are doing is asking for a "hearing."
It's part of free speech.  Doesn't mean you get a settlement, have to
pay fees, etc.  That's later.  Thinking slowly about the above.
If you doubt: then consider the number of lawyers, the divorce rate in the US,
and how much you pay for non-outdoor related insurance.  Then ask yourself
how much you really want to pay and what coverage you expect.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: paul@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Zippo lighter fuel (was Re: MSR Whisperlite)
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:27:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Thanks for all the info on Zippo lighters and fuel.
FYI; I tried the white gas in the Zippo & it seems to work fine -
ie. It make some flames and it didn't blow up :-)
Saves me bothering about running out of lighter fuel when I'm out, because
I'll usually have plenty of white gas with me. I'll try to get some spare
flints though.

-- 
Paul Anderson                      email: paul@dcs.ed.ac.uk
LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science
University of Edinburgh            phone: (+44) (0)31-650-5193
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, UK.             fax:   (+44) (0)31-667-7209
From: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:07:20 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In some cases, marked trails can contribute to accident, injury, and death.
The North Face of Long's Peak in RMNP has a route called "The Cable Route" -
it USED to have fixed cables which allowed hikers (not climbers) to ascend the
route without ropes or technical climbing skills.  The problem is that the
North Face is intersected diagonally by the vertical East Face, so that a fall
from the cables resulted in an accelerating slide (especially with snow or ice
on the face) over the East Face.  I believe the cables were removed in the 
early 1970's, to discourage hikers from unwittingly endangering themselves.
This was before the Great Age of Litigation.  One can only imagine the lawsuits
that would be brought today.


Kurt Bittner          >  "Bureaucracy is a process converting energy into
kbittner@oracle.com   >     solid waste."  - Cort Conley
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
From: saastad@spot.Colorado.EDU (SAASTAD OLE)
Subject: Re: Four season tent recomendations.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:08:34 GMT


I would strongly recomend you to look into the Norwegian tents from the
company called "NORRONA" (It should be Norr|na, | is a o vith a / across).
They make tents that are better or equal to Wild Country. I have used their 
tents during Norwegian winter. I do not have the company's address here
but I can post it if anyone is interested.


Ole W Saastad
-- 
Ole W Saastad  
Dept. of Chemistry University of Oslo Norway.
Now at University of Colorado at Boulder / CIRES ,  Atmospheric Chemistry.
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From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad)
Subject: Prices on BERGHAUS products in Great Britain?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:28:45 GMT

I would like to know what the common prices are in Great Britain for a  
couple of Berghaus products:

	Rucksacks: 	-Dart 30
			-Dart 35
			-Dart 40
	Gore-Tex:	-Interactive models (shell?)
			-Extreme models
			 (if there are several different prices in each  
			 category, please give me the price range)

Email or post answers.
Thanks in advance.

Eystein Dugstad
University of Bergen, Norway
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:58:34 GMT

trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>My favorite signs are the "Adopt a Highway Litter Control"
>... The god-danged signs are more offensive then the litter
>ever was...

I'll second this one.

--Chris
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: HIKING BOOT SUGGESTIONS??
Summary: What kind of boots people suggested as good for hiking in the mountains
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:22:40 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hey there netters,

	I have gotten a lot of responses to my earlier post requesting info on
hiking boots, and now I will ask the net's opinion on the brands of hiking
boots which were suggested:

	1)  Asolo boots.  Indicated that it is a good quality boot.  Price I
	    should look for?  Are they easy to find -- i.e. will they be at a
	    local shoe store or will I have to go to an outfitter?

	2)  Vasque Clarion.  Several other models, some with goretex (impor-
	    tant, or not?).  Light weight indicated.

	3)  Merrel.  No model name -- all leather.  Wondering how well these 
	    hold up.  Indicated that Merrel light hiking boots were NOT good, 
	    so I assume these are the relatively heavy-duty models.

	4)  Hi-Tecs.  Some like 'em, some don't.  All agree that they might not
	    hold up as well as they (?) should.  Comments that they are pretty 
	    good for light-duty stuff.  

	Any comments, other brand suggestions, etc. will be appreciated, for
I'm trying to narrow down my selection before I make my way out to the
beautiful Backcountry of Central Colorado.

Thanks in advance,

-Mike-

**Western Michigan University**
From: md_norma@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (MD Norman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Cairns
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:38:50 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


 Over here where we have a lot less "back" as well as "country
things are getting silly. Recently in the Brecon Beacons cairns
were being built every 50yds in the more used areas.
 Whoops, my foot slipped! I'm with the kick 'em over gang.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: geo@dixie.com (George Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Dutch Ovens in the backcountry
Keywords: cookbooks, favorite recipes, and tips
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:48:00 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

js0998@future.sbc.com (Cam Spillman) writes:

>In article <63905@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (NICHOLS,STEVEN MALCOLM) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I recently got a dutch oven and I was wondering if anyone else out there
>>uses one.  [...]
>>I imagine I'll be
>>using mine on canoeing/rafting trips, and perhaps car camping in primitive
>>campgrounds.  

Out troop (I'm an assistant Scoutmaster) uses two every camping trip (except the backpacking ones, pointy legs and such) we go on.  They make great casseroles and cobblers.  Keeping things from burning is an art and comes with time, but scrape the chared layer off and underneith is great eating.  
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Swiss Army Knife the best?
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul11.173942.10057@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>The one time in my life I was faced with a corked wine bottle
>away from home, the SAK in my pocket had the awl, not the cork
>screw.  The awl broke off while I attempted cork extraction.
Don't feel too bad. I've found from experience that SAK corkscrews have
a nasty tendency to remove a neat little plug from the center of the
cork if it is a bit soft. You might have ended up carving it out
anyway.
From: bishop@lupine (john bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Looking for Information on Mt. Adams
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:18:11 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Jul28.045847.18282@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca>  
brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent Kennedy) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for anyone who might know about some of the routes on Mt.  
Adams
> (Washington State).  Especially of interest would be if you have any  
idea of
> what the glacier condition is late in the season (Aug/Sept).

Becky's Cascade Alpine Guide, vol. 1 has extensive descriptions of the  
various routes on Adams.  Of historical interest is C.E. Rusk's Tales of a  
Western Mountaineer, Published by the Mountaineers.  Rusk was the first  
person to extensively explore this mountain, and his accounts of his  
climbs make one want to get out and climb too.  Becky call's Rusk's climb  
of the east side (Rusk Glacier, Castle Route) "an outstanding achievement  
in courage." 

I've only done the route up the South side, in late June in a year with  
more normal snowpack than this.  Personally, I wouldn't want to slog up it  
when there wasn't plenty of snow to walk up.  There are no glaciers on  
this route.  You can count on open crevasses in August and September,  
especially this year. I don't know much more about the glacier conditions.    
Becky notes that the Adams Glacier, a popular glacier route, is best in  
early summer when the glacier is in best condition.  You could call the  
Mount Adams Ranger Station at Trout Lake (509) 395-2501 ( can't vouch for  
this phone number). 

John Bishop
Dept. of Botany
bishop@botany.washington.edu
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From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Subject: Re: Topo Map Coating
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:49:53 GMT

Cliff Jacobson (prolific outdoor book writer) swears by Thompson's Waterseal - the stuff you buy in a hardware store to seal concrete floors, etc.  He says it is just as good as the specialized stuff you buy at outdoor stores - and it's real cheap.

I haven't tried it.  My maps seem to do just fine in a one-gallon ziploc bag, pre-folded at the beginning of the day to show (on both sides of the bag) the area I'll be traversing (so the bag never needs to be opened except in the tent.)

---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: heatherb@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Heather Bean)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re:Altitude and Asthma
Summary: just my $0.02
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:27:02 GMT
Organization: College of Natural Resources, Colo. State Univ.

In article <1992Jul20.192217.2212@Princeton.EDU> sproule@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William J  Jr. Sproule) writes:
>
>My wife and I are planning a trip to Rocky Mtns this fall,
>and we are concerned about how high altitude (5000 -> 12000 ft)
>will affect my asthma.  Anyone have experience or advice?
  
I have lived here right near the rockies for most of my life and done a
fairly large amount of hiking, running, climbing, and cycling at high altitude
with asthma, so maybe I can at least share some experience (for advice,
definitely go to your doctor, she knows what effects altitude has on whatever
medications you may be taking)
 
I take a form of Theophyllene constantly (which I hear is fairly common among
asthmatics) and I have been told that its effects are diminished at higher
altitudes.  One summer I was working around 8-9000ft and doing a lot of running
and my doctor had to increase my theophyllene dosage to keep it effective.
  
I also carry an inhaler with me all the time which I use always before strenuousexercise, as well as when I resume after a reasonably long (i.e, 30 minute)
break.  It sometimes helps to use the inhaler 15 minutes before beginning, it
gives it a chance to take full effect.  Starting, for me, is usually the worst.
My lungs will wheeze some and be difficult initially if I don't warm up slowly,
but after that problems generally diminish and I don't notice having asthma
at all.  (except I _sound_ horrible...but that usually bothers my friends more
than me...I'm used how my lungs sound :-)
  
Also, if you're coming up from a lower altitude (which I'm assuming you are),
the first couple of days of exercise are the worst (Which is probably true for
just about everybody) and then your lungs should hopefully become more
accustomed to the air up here.
  
GOOD LUCK!! ENJOY!

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  | I'm not giving in to security under pressure    /      HEATHER BEAN        |  | I'm not missing out on the promise of adventure /                          |
| I'm not giving up on implausible dreams         /^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|  | Experience to extremes...        --RUSH         /   WHO IS JOHN GALT?      |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  | heatherb@opuntia.CFNR.ColoState.edu / hb174818@longs.LANCE.ColoState.edu   |  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Appalachian Trail: PA->VA
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:36:22 GMT
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_



I'm planning a ~150 mile hiking trip along the Appalachian
Trail, between Pennsylvania and Virginia.  I'm planning the
trip for sometime in October or May (most likely May).

If you've hiked along the Appalachian Trail, particularly
through PA and VA, and care to share your experiences, please
send some mail my way.  Info about your impression of the
trails, which written guides you found to be most helpful,
along with any anecdotes you might have will be much
appreciated.

Many thanks...

Barbara
bjz@sei.cmu.edu




--
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: MSR Whisperlite
Keywords: Eating my words, pass the salt.
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:54:01 GMT
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation

ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.191324.7488@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> smmyers@PacBell.COM (... .. ...) writes:
>>
>>He said Zippo...  I can't remember the name of the lighter fluid that you put
>>in Zippo's, it comes in different brands, the most common being a yellow
>>bottle with blue writing (I'm sure somebody will follow up to this and let you
>>know the name.) but you definitely don't use butane... Sheesh...  I don't
>>beleive that white gas would suffice in a Zippo (something having to do with
>>evaporation).  But hey, I've never tried it.

We used to (in our smoking days) use "turpentine thinner".  It
was identical in practice to the "Zippo Fluid", but available in
larger cans at a lower cost per ounce.

I am NOT a chemist!  It worked for me.  Hold at arm's length on
your first turpentine thinner "zip"!
-- 
Marc
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