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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Feet...!? You had FEET?)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:55:00 GMT

In article <9209281813.AA03391@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil>, zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke) writes...
>  Thus always follow the rule: An 800 pound gorilla can go where ever he
>wants to...  Sad but true...

There was a tug in the inner harbor a few weeks who had just escorted a
frieghter out, then he came back and deliberately drove around through our
race course. He made many sudden turns close to racing boats, finally doing
donuts for a few minutes in the middle of the reach leg. Trying to make a
whirlpool or something. Definitely trying to be as much of dick as he could
for no good reason.

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: henry@convex.com (Lee Henry)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:43:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <16872A472.STU@mwvm.mitre.org> STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
> stuff deleted
> 
>You have given me cause to think again about the sails - thank you.  /Stu

I'll second that.  Why didn't some one bring this up about 2 weeks ago
before my motor stalled in the marina while I was 100 yards away from my
slip.  My genoa was furled and the mainsail cover was on.

By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.

Lee Henry
henry@convex.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Followup-To: rec.boats
Summary: Ya ain't gonna like this.
Keywords: Ouch
Reply-To: phx.mcd.mot.com!dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Organization: Motorola Analog Integrated Circuits Division
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:38:37 GMT



Hi everybody!!

   Whenever I park my car, I never use the brakes.  In fact, I have
a special lever which, when pulled out, completely disables the
brake system until I get back under the hood.  I think everybody
should know how to park this way because you never know when the brake
system in your car will fail.  Everybody should rig their car like mine
so they will get plenty of practice like me.  Then everybody will be a
great driver.

   Since I normally have the right of way when driving, I don't worry
about situations where that's not true.  Also, if anybody pulls their car
out of a parking space in front of me, I don't care cause I don't have
any brakes.  When we collide, it won't be my fault anyway because I
have the right of way.  I've never hit any pedestrians or other people's
cars because I'm always real careful when I do this.  I normally just spin
a couple of circles to scrub off speed before I run down to the parking
spot.  Then at the very end, I just hop out and bring my car to a stop.
Isn't that clever!!  I wish everybody would be a great driver like me.
GOOD LUCK!!!!!


            * * *   Imminent use of deathnet predicted.   * * *             //
Dave Kinzer  (602)897-3085  asuvax!mcdphx!teroach!dbk  Opinions are mine. \X/
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Keywords: Ouch
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:51:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.023837.10754@phx.mcd.mot.com> phx.mcd.mot.com!dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer) writes:
>   Whenever I park my car, I never use the brakes.  In fact, I have
>a special lever which, when pulled out, completely disables the
>brake system until I get back under the hood.  I think everybody
>should know how to park this way because you never know when the brake
>system in your car will fail.  Everybody should rig their car like mine
>so they will get plenty of practice like me.  Then everybody will be a
>great driver.

Point well taken. Do you also never drive over 2 mph when within 100
feet of anyone else? And just *how* do you arrange to have the right of
way? Last but not least, if your brakes fail (as mine once did...I was
young and foolish and bought a beat up volswagen, but that's another
story) do you know how to stop your car? 

I'd use the emergency brake first. Same way I use the emergency engine
on my boat. When, on my VW, that didn't work (sigh) I used engine
braking, which worked fine. How 'bout you?

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Nav lights quiz
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:50:32 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine


	A quiz question taken from real life.  You see 3 lights stacked one
atop the other in a straight line.  The bottom one is red, low down near the
water, the upper two are white.  You don't have any sense of scale, but you
can see that the vertical spacing between the two white lights is about the
same as between the bottom white and the red.  What kind of vessel have you
spotted?
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio/recieiver
Keywords: ship-to-ship, ship-to-shore conversation
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:58:27 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Sep30.203846.12636@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:
>
>I am wondering if the off the shelf shortwave radio can
>pick up coversation between ships or to shore station?
>If so, at what frequency should I tune three radio to?
>
>Will be interested to hear about the action out there while
>I am not able to be out there.

	This band is usually missig from most SW recevers 
	156.425 - 162.550 MHZ. Good luck
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:03:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151427.18427@meaddata.com> davidm@meaddata.com (David Miller) writes:
>pretty rude to me.  In the long channel to the ocean, some sailers opt to 
>cross completely from one side to other, as opposed to turning more 
>frequently, and using less of the channel (which is reasonably wide).
>My only complaints about this are in areas where manuvering is restricted.

I've been trying to avoid this thread because of the
ranting, but here's something I'd like to offer some
info about.  The situation David describes (where
manuvering is restricted) is often the very reason
why the sailboat needs to cross completely from one
side of the channel to the other.  Every time he
tacks, he loses speed and with it, steerage.  Some
time is then required to regain the speed.  With
reduced steerage, there is often not much time or
room for mistakes such as over or under steering, yet
steering is most difficult in this situation.  The
heavier the boat, the more time required to recover;
some boats may not even be ABLE to tack in less width.
I'll usually crank up the iron jib before then, but
if there is engine problems, the prudent sailor is
unwilling to rely on it.  And sailors do seem to
have engine problems a lot.  8^)

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early)
Subject: Re: Messing About the Chesapeake
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:33:36 GMT

In article <lcgdv2INNf2g@cronkite> billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I'm finally going to attend the Annapolis Boat Show next
>week.

Does anyone have the particulars on the Boat Show like dates, times, and if
there is an admission charge??

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.boats,misc.consumers
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Subject: Re: Houseboating on Lake Powell
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.123131.9302@pdn.paradyne.com> larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift) writes:
>I should have added in my earlier post about the
>length of time to spend on Lake Powell:  amazing
>as it sounds, the shoreline of Lake Powell is
>longer than the coastline of the U.S. west coast!
>Over 2000 miles!  And no shortage of scenery.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The late author Edward Abbey claimed, however,
that Lake Powell covers much more fantastic
scenery.




-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
     D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Annual stepping -too much ??
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:13:36 GMT


Hello,

Here's another novice question from a new boat
owner.

Is it bad to have a mast unstepped and stepped
every season??  i.e. Does it put to much wear
on the mast, deck,etc. to take a mast down at the 
end of every season and put it up again every spring?


I was talking to a manager of another marina about
some work I was going to have done on my boat.  He
was asking what my marina charged for winter lay-up.
I mentioned the price and told him that the price 
included unstepping and stepping of the mast
for next season.

He was suprised to learn that my marina takes down
masts every year.

Is this a legitimate concern?

-Keith
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Repowering and conversion
Keywords: i/o powerboats outboards transom bracket
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:35:38 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208


  I am interested in knowing whether:

    1. anyone has "repowered" an i/o by replacing the entire i/o
       with a bracket-mounted outboard;

    2. what others may think of the idea.

  I am aware that some boat manufacturers "beef up" transoms on boats that will
  have a bracket-mounted outboard attached.

  The specific boat in question is a 1981 Tiara Pursuit 25' walk-around. 

  thanks,  

    Greg Pavlov,
    pavlov@fstrf.org
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:09:27 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>
>I think its fine to sail your boat to the slip or mooring so you'll know how
>should it become necessary some fine day when the iron jib dies.  *BUT*, for
>safety of all, why not start the engine and let it idle in neutral.  Nothing
>wrong with an insurance policy, is there?  Of course there are sailors who

I always motor out of my slip becuase my sailboat accelerates too slowly
to get going and out of the marina safely.  But once out and about sailing
is fine.  After a nice evening's peaceful sailing, I just hate
to start that loud stinky old outboard.  I sail back into the slip.  This
is usually quite late in the evening, in fact, it's usually the next morning.
The live-aboards near me have expressed gratitude for the courtesy of
my quiet return to port.  Momentum insurance policy?  Indeed, that is
what my 14' sculling oar is for.

-rickf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson)
Subject: Re: Novice boaters
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 22:29:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Stupid Ignorant Beginners Novice

>>And if it's a heavy boat, with windage &
>>tide working against you, trying to hold position while
>>waiting for a bridge can be tricky indeed.

I've never had to wait for a bridge to open. Would one consider dropping an anchor for a few minutes?
(with a small scope) Or is that too "uncool"? Or too impractical?
-- 

  Walter G. Wilson  (walter@watson.ibm.com)
  The opinions expressed here are my own.

  "My plans for the year all laid out...
   Ah... A dream in Springtime "
     -- Shodo (Go Seigen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: deciphering time codes
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:39:33 GMT


In article <BvE9HI.9L6@news.orst.edu>, kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman) writes:
> Next month I will be doing some cruising in the Sea of Cortez. I am a novice
>at celestial navigation, and plan to practice, practice, practice during my
>time there. Obviously I need to synchronize my watch to precise GMT. Months
>ago someone on the net posted a telephone number for time, as kept by the
>Naval Observatory. I have called this number, and have gotten a series of
>tonal beeps which I cannot decipher to set my watch. Can someone explain to
>me how to decrypt these tones?
My trusty TI 64K Organizer tells me that the number for the US Naval
Observatory voice line is (900)410-8463.  This costs $.95/minute and I have
never spent more than a minute on the line.
>
>Is there another source available to obtain accurate time? Is the local time
>supplied over the telephone accurate enough for this purpose? The Naval
>sciences department on campus here can't seem to answer my questions.
The voice line still provides me with better resolution than my watch, sextant
and skills (okay, my skills) can handle.
--
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TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |"Repay kindness from a stranger by kindness 
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From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Repowering and conversion
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:40:08 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <wwalker-051092174525@129.46.192.52>, wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:

  [ in response to questions re replacing an i/o unit with a bracket-mounted
    outboard.  Some good information/thoughts to ponder followed by....]
> 
> Now it's my turn to ask a question:
> 
> Why on earth do you want to do this?  What do you hope to gain by it?  This
> looks like an awfully expensive proposition to me.
> 

  The asking price for the boat is considerably lower (apx. 60% of what is 
  "typical" for this model/year) and it is being brokered by a dealer.  Since
  the hull, etc are in exceptionally good shape, our suspicion is that the 
  i/o unit has umpteen thousand hours on it, salt water-cooled to boot.

  So I am considering making an offer ,  subject to satisfactory survey and
  mechanical check, of course.  But at the same time our suspicions lead to
  the conclusion that the power plant and the outdrive will have to be rep-
  laced within the next several years.  The advantages of an outboard are
  that it would open up the cockpit some plus reduce the weight of the boat
  by 400 lbs or so.  The latter would allow me to tow the boat with a large
  car or a "family" 4x4 such as a Ford Explorer or Jeep Cherokee.  Else I
  would have to go to a truck-style vehicle.  Whether the disadvantage of a
  higher cost overrides this I don't yet know.  That's why I am asking.  But
  I do know that such conversions are being done more and more frequently.


  thanks,

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:24:30 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com> henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:

>>By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>>your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>>is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>>use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.

>Someone else suggested doing a quick 360, which is a nifty idea. I've gotta
>try that (in open water) sometime to see how well it works...

If you don't have room for a 360 you can also slow down by turning side to
side as hard as possible.  In some ways it is easier because if you
don't have enough speed for a full 360 you turn back before you loose all
your speed.  You can repeat the turns as often as necessary as you get close.
If you can turn hard enough to stall the rudder, that will
also slow you down.


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wda@osl.csc.ncsu.edu (Bill Allen)
Subject: Re: Cruis'N Carry Outboard
Organization: Precision Engineering Center, North Carolina State University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.133657.20365@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:
>In article <306@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill
>Gardner) writes:
>> I have a ten year old version of the above outboard which needs some
>> serious maintenance. .......
>
>If you need engine maintenence and are not sure what needs to be done, 
>you might try taking the motor
>into someplace where they fix similar air cooled engines.
>
>Chain saw repair places can sometimes provide the necessary
>expertise to dignose what's wrong.  Depends how mechanically
>inclined the mechanic is.  But its a good place to start.
>
I didn't try chain saw repair places like Keith suggested but every
outboard shop I called wouldn't even look at a motor that wasn't
"their brand".  The closest C 'n C repair shop was two hours away
and didn't stock a lot of parts so I had to rebuild it myself.
What happened to the days when there were little independent shops
who would work on "anything"??

Bill Allen
Precision Engineering Center
North Carolina State University
bill_allen@ncsu.edu
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruis'N Carry Outboard
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:46:49 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <306@mindlink.bc.ca> Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner) writes:
>I have a ten year old version of the above outboard which needs some serious
>maintenance.  Would anyone have the address of the manufacture or a supply
>source for parts. Are they still in business?


	Cruce 'N Carry/Div. of HNC
	PO Box 560
	Long Beach,CA
	90801-0560

	213-603-9888
	fax 213-635-3526

	Hope you find what you need to get you back on the water.

	paul
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Subject: Re: Ships Bell Clock
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:34:17 GMT
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation

am339@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael J. Logsdon) writes:


>I want to buy a striking ship's bell clock.  It seems that
>Chelsea #40033 is a good choice, and West Marine seems to have
>the best price at $245.  Does anyone have experience with this
>model, or offer other suggestions?  Quartz, please.

>Mike Logsdon   am339@cleveland.freenet.edu   Stratagem C&C 38

Mike, I just bought the Weems & Plath model from West Marine,
because it was the lowest priced model I found anywhere, $169.

It's fine here in the office.

But, what I REALLY wanted was a striking wristwatch.  Does any-
body on the net know who makes one?

Also, how about some experience with clocks?  Is it possible to
get a nice striking clock for less than $100?  Why not?

I'm planning to purchase another for the house.  Any recommenda-
tions?
-- 
--
Marc Veeneman
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: sail-handling question
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.014623.23621@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F.
Hughes) wrote:
> 
> I went out sailing with my friend Jim today, and made a slightly bad decision.
> It was blowing about 10-12 knots, and we decided, as a lark, to hoist the
> spinnaker. Jim's decent on a boat, but he's not done much spinnaker work. I
> did the foredeck setup, and then we switched places for the hoist---he did the
> halyard work and I steered and handled the sheet/guy. 
> 
> So here's my question: suppose you have only two people, and want to handle 
> a spinnaker. How do you do it? I've got self-tailing winches in easy reach of
> the helmsperson, so the person at the helm can perhaps handle the sheet or the
> guy, but handling both is a bit much. 
>    Specifics: 
> (1) Would you recommend rigging the jibe preventer on the main? 
> (2) Who should handle the sheet and who should handle the guy? 
> (3) During hoisting, the helmsperson can only really deal with one of the two
> controls. Which is more important to get right first, sheet or guy?
> (4) My pole has a bridle for the pole-lift, but no bridle for a foreguy or
> any attachment on deck for it. Any suggestions about where I might rig the
> attachment point? 
> 
> As you see, I'm not at all certain about spinnaker technique. With four people
> aboard, we've done fine with the 'chute in the past (I jury-rigged a foreguy),
> but with two and rapidly freshening winds, it was a bit too much. By the way,
> nothing went wrong. We just sailed with it for a few minutes, decided we were
> nearly out of control, and did a nice, fairly smoothly-executed drop. We
> had checked, before starting, that there was no one in the area (there were
> about 5 boats on all of Buzzard's Bay!), so we knew we had time to work slowly
> and carefully. But we both felt uncomfortable about the experience, and *I*
> certainly learned something about when not to push limits. "The right time to
> reef is the first time you think of it," as someone said. And the right time
> not to hoist a 'chute is the time when you think you might have troubles
> controlling it. 
> 
> -John

John, I think that, on a boat the size of yours, you need three reasonably
experienced sailors to handle the spinnaker; tow could do it, but then only
if you have tiller steering (one hand for the sheet, one for the guy, and
tiller between the legs).  If you're really into short-handed spinnaker
sailing, I recommend a cruising spinnaker in a sock.  This rig really does
make it easy for two people to handle a spinnaker.

-Pete
Newsgroups: rec.boats