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From: johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: NEW AMIGA OS NEEDS PM, VM, AND JOB CONTROL
Keywords: pm vm job
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:35:21 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Oct15.161716.19926@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.042722.5167@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (The Bewildered One) writes:
>>and better job control.  I would actually like to be able to compile most all
>>unix source code with gcc.  I have successfully compiled most of the gnu 
>
>A cheap unix box will probably do what you want.
>
>>I have been told by 80% of my friends that own an amiga, that
>>they will not buy another amiga if the os doesn't start using pm,
>>vm, and job control.
>
>Either (a) I'm in a minority or (b) I'm not your friend.   :)

Apparently I'm also in (a) or (b).  I'm a UNIX-junkie, believe me, but
the high efficiency of Exec and AmigaDOS (i.e., a high feature-to-overhead
ratio) and plethora of advanced O/S features overwhelm any misgivings I
have.  Job control would be a welcome feature, but I understand CSH for
AmigaDOS has it; I just open another CLI.

[...]
>I
>don't particularly relish the idea of AmigaDOS turning into a
>Windows-NT or an OS/2.  If I need a multi-user machine with
>memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking, I'll get
>a unix box.
[...]

Of course, it's an Amiga after all, so if you have an A2500 or higher,
you can do what I did and have one box with both worlds:  buy Amiga UNIX.
It's nice to be able to run four O/S's on my A3000: AmigaDOS, UNIX,
Macintosh System, and MSDOS.  There's others, but I haven't tried them.
I don't use MSDOS for much other than show, but I do use the other
three regularly for work and pleasure (i.e., daily or weekly.)

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The above opinions are those of the user and not of those of this machine.
From: rvmst1+@pitt.edu (Rainer V Mager)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: C-Manual
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:50:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh via AMIGA

Does anyone know an FTP site where I can get the NEWEST version of the
Amiga C-Manual?>


Thanx,


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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How do I run 1.3 when both roms are installed?
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:15:20 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

If I have a 2620 board, can I use setcpu to run kickstart 1.3?
-- 
Darin Johnson
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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Any BlackHole users out there>
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:20:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <1992Oct09.201435.1714@CS.ORST.EDU>, (M.BiSON) writes:
> 
> It seems work fine but their are a few things that make me wonder.
> 
> Basically, the very first time I used it, it crashed...in the process
> of deleteing a large directory (it was ProWrite)...  
> -MIC
> 
> p.s.  If the aurthor of BlackHole is out there, then I'd love to discuss this
> problem with him,.

I've been using BlackHole for the last two weeks now, and I haven't seen any
problems with it.  I'm not sure what version I have, however.  I've been
deleting large/small files, as well as overloaded/almost empty drawwers with
it, and it's done the job every time.  

I've been using a different icon for it, than the one that came with it.  
(I didn't like the original icon,  because it was TOO BIG!) 
Other than that, I haven't made any other changes to it.

--
Joe
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:52:26 -0400 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is Black bad in Europe ?

<bold><excerpt>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 12-Oct-92 Is Black b=
ad in Europe ? @sagpd1 (1363)</excerpt></bold><nl>
<nl>
<excerpt> have a question for the European members of the net.<nl>
</excerpt><nl>
<excerpt>    I was just talking to one of our design engineers and he made a s=
tatement<nl>
that I would like to verify. It seems that Europeans do not like electronic<nl=
>
equipment that is Black. </excerpt><nl>
<nl>
I don't think this is true, - Europe (England in  particular) was producing la=
rge amounts of black hi-end audio equipment when everything in the US still ha=
d woodgrain vinyl panels (I exaggerate, forgive me). Perhaps, however, now tha=
t the US has learned to appreciate the appeals of basic black over basic brown=
, fashions across the Atlantic have started to change again.  The titanium loo=
k seemed as if it might catch on when I looked a couple of years ago.  In any =
case, cdtvs in <cyan>a</cyan> <magenta>variety</magenta> <blue>of</blue> <green>designer</green><red> colours</red> (:-) ) probably wouldn't do any har=
m.... neither would a nicer case design (never mind the colour, fix the shape)=
.<nl>
<nl>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: Any BlackHole users out there>
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.201435.1714@CS.ORST.EDU> evermic@prism.cs.orst.edu (M.BiSON) writes:
>
>Basically, the very first time I used it, it crashed...

   I run Black Hole 1.0, and it's never caused any problems for me. Which 
version are you using? (I'm running Workbench 2.04.)

>My second problem, is the fact that when you click on the black hole
>icon, it should come up with a little window so you can change options.

   Under v1.0, it asks you if you'd like to quit Black Hole; doesn't show up
as a Commodity, either (which is weird). Is there a newer version available
for ftp?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Subject: Workbench 3.0 DataTypes
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:59:25 GMT


I have been thinking about the possibilities of C='s new DataTypes.  To say
the least, the hypothetical implications are stagering!

If I understand correctly, any program that is WB3.0 compliant can make
use of the DataTypes, right?  This gives them access to those types of
files, right?  Sort of like AdPro's module loaders, right?

So, it will be possible for all drawing software to load all different types
of raster images (iff, gif, pict, tiff, etc)  As long as there is a DataType.

Now, apply this to sounds.  How about a MED DataType, a SoundTracker DataType,
etc.  Multimedia becomes *MUCH* more enjoyable to work with.

Go even farther, and apply this to 3D objects.  Conceivably you could make
DataTypes for *ALL* of the different 3D object formats.  Imagine being able
to use *ANY* object in *ANY* renderer!  WOW

How about documents?  Make a FinalCopy II DataType, a PageStream DataType,
an Excellence! DataType, and then share your document with all of the  
different publishing packages.

Let me just temper these dreams with a bit of reality.  I have not seen a
4000/WB3.0 system yet, so I am just hypothesizing about this technology.
I hope that DataTypes are this flexible.  If not, I hope C= sees this and
has a little light bulb go on over their collective heads :)

Can someone who has used DataTypes please comment on all of this?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ghanna@cse.unl.edu (gary hanna)
Subject: Re: 2.05 installation question
Keywords: User-Startup, Startup-Sequence
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:14:15 GMT

ghanna@cse.unl.edu (gary hanna) writes:

>matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:


>>Bottom line at first: When will people learn to use the 
>>User-Startup and let Startup-Sequence unchanged?
>>They change Startup-Sequcne and end having problems they could avoid
>>reading the manual and changing ONLY User-Startup (or putting programs
>>in WBStartup).

> First off: Chill man. Just give an answer. You don't have to attack this
>            guy for taking an approach to startups than you. Shees!

> I ran into the annoying requestor problem myself sometime ago. The solution
>is pretty easy. Just make up a small script file that only runs the 
>I-Prefs program, and then call this script file from your startup-sequence.
>I think this is the way I've solve the problem. It's been a while since
>it made that change. I'm not at my amiga now. If I've got this explanation
>wrong, I'll correct myself when I check my startup-sequence when I get home.

 Ok, I'm home now. Here's my IPrefs-Startup file:

  Wait 2     {not sure if this is necessary}
  IPrefs
  Loadwb
  Endcli

 Ok, here's the last couple lines of my Startup-Sequence:

  if exists s:user-startup
    execute s:user-startup
  endif
  run >nil: execute s:IPrefs-Startup
  endcli >nil:

 I think I got the idea for this from a magazine. It works for me anyway.

> Good day eh, Gary Hanna   ghanna@cse.unl.edu  or hanna@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu
 Ditto

> Increase the peace!
 Ditto too

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Avoid Marc Barret (was: Avoid the Amiga 4000)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:46:53 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

lots of bullshit

| Marc Barrett -MB-  : JUST SAY NO!!!!
From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Track/Sector Editor Uploaded (DiskX2.2)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:38:11 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I have uploaded DiskX V2.2 to wuarchive.wustl.edu

systems/amiga/incoming/utils/DiskX_V2.2.lha

It uses ARP library, so you may well have problems with OS2.04 (?), and it
doesn't co-exist happily with reqchange.  Apart from that, it's a very fine
disk editor. 

Cheers,

   Bill Bennett                           JANET: warda@uk.ac.oxford.vax    
   CRC Growth Factors Research Group   Internet: warda%vax.oxford.ac.uk
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Subject: Re: NEW AMIGA OS NEEDS PM, VM, AND JOB CONTROL
Keywords: pm vm job
Organization: Smith College
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.042722.5167@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (The Bewildered One) writes:
>and better job control.  I would actually like to be able to compile most all
>unix source code with gcc.  I have successfully compiled most of the gnu 

A cheap unix box will probably do what you want.

>I have been told by 80% of my friends that own an amiga, that
>they will not buy another amiga if the os doesn't start using pm,
>vm, and job control.

Either (a) I'm in a minority or (b) I'm not your friend.   :)

If I had the cash to burn, I would probably have a NeXT.  But I
don't.  The Amiga OS is an extremely lean, efficent OS that runs
*well* on minimal hardware while providing a lot of advanced
features.  When you put it on "bigger iron", the overhead of the
OS is still tiny, leaving gobs cpu cycles and memory for your
applications.  No other OS provides so much with so little
ovehead as the one we have on the Amiga.  This is why I have an
Amiga.  

It is fine to wish for virtual memory, memory protection and
resource tracking, we may even see some of it down the road; I
would like to see at least vm.  But remember that the Amiga OS
was designed to run on a *personal* *microcomputer*, not a
multi-user mainframe.  Until such features can be added without
seriously compromising the amazing performance and featherweight
requirements of the current OS, I'll stick with what we have.  I
don't particularly relish the idea of AmigaDOS turning into a
Windows-NT or an OS/2.  If I need a multi-user machine with
memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking, I'll get
a unix box.

>i will of course add 's' to the protection.  Of course i will only do this
>by using the file comments and hope that the comments are too vital for 
>anyone since it will write on it.

Don't you dare touch my comments!

Have a happy day,
-john


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown)
Subject: A4000 contest... help!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:37:05 GMT

A while back, the complete list of rules for the "4000 reasons to own
an Amiga" contest was posted.  I have since lost that list.  Would someone
be good enough to E-mail me the Usenet post, pleeeease :).  My little
brother thinks he has an excellent quote to send.

Thanks in advance!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kdmiller@athena.mit.edu (Kenneth D Miller)
Subject: Re: wanted
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.4247.20610@dosgate> "carl bannenberg" <carl.bannenberg@canrem.com> writes:
>Wanted: Cute term for the A600 PCMCIA slot.
>
>Since P-C-M-C-I-A is such a tounge twister, we really need a cute two
>syllable term for it. Something like 'scu-zzy' (SCSI) would really help.

Well, this isn't two syllables, but it still "fits": 'pu-KUM-si-a'


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: $12/chip SCRAM price -- here's the phone number
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.022447.13071@ckctpa.UUCP> crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:
>Well, I received mail within the first 24 hours that BJS Electronics
>wasn't in Byte.  I would've sworn that's where I got the number from.
>
>Looking at the invoice, however, should be pretty reliable :-)
>
>Their number (in the US) is 1-408-456-8989.  Fax at ...-8990.  I got
>the RAMs today, plugged'em into my A3000, and I now have 16MB FAST for
>Amix!  Every little bit helps!

  So I called them today to order 8Mb for my A3000 and the guy on
the other end of the phone insists that they are $15.50 apeice.
Oh, well.  This is the same price as the advertised price of 80 nSec
parts from Memory World.

>Frank "Crash" Edwards            Perceptual Technologies, Inc.

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Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quite generation
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AB20 on CDTV
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:22:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>I got the AB20 CD to work on the CDTV using ASIM and a werid setup. I booted u
p
>to cli (no startup-sequence) then the mounted ASIM as CD1: and I stuck the AB2
0
>CD in and the system crash requester comes up and I forget about it and go bac
k
>to cli and do a diskchange to CD1: and cd CD1: and everything works great as
>long as I don't access CD0:. If I do the machine locks up. I have gotten parne
t
>to work with this setup. Does anyone know of a better way????
>=========
>Video Man
>CSE_TEST@memstvx1.memst.edu
>=========

Assuming you're talking about the Walnut Creek CDROM of AB20... did you
try hooking up a floppy disk to yer CDTV and booting it with an
installed WorkBench disk (optionally with Parnet on it) and then
shoving in the CD?  I bought Walnut Creek's "GIFs Galore" CD ROM ($24.95
plus tax'n'shipping.. has six thousand GIF pictures on it.. the software
steal of the year far as I'm concerned), and this is exactly the method
I use to access it from my 2500 over Parnet. 

Indeed if I just turn on CDTV without a WB disk in its floppy and
shove GIFs Galore into the CD drive, the machine crashes (fancy
CDTV logo screen turns all red). But if I proceed as I described
above I have no problems whatsoever in accessing all the GIFs on my
Amiga over Parnet with any software I have.

Harv
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Specification of A4000
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:21:33 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

>For a machine to be professional multimedia, the 4000 still lacks
>appropriate sound.  I'm not talking spreadsheets, or c programming, or
>database applications.... pluuuuuueeeeeeeeeease.... we are in this case
>talking professional multimedia.
>
 
I think the Amiga's sound as it stands right now is far ahead of that currently
available on the PC or Mac.  I've only seen one PC sound board which was as
good as the Amiga's native sound, and the Mac's native sound is nowhere near as
good as the sound out of the Amiga.  While the Amiga's sound isn't good enough
*today* to work in a professional sound studio, the sound is still good enough
for 95% of all sound requirements thrown at it(and I include about 80% of
multimedia work in that).
 
John
From: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct7.193356.6639@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>   BTW, so far the odd-numbered Amigas (A1000 and A3000) have turned out to
>be the marginally good systems, and the even-numbered Amigas (A2000 and A4000)
>have turned out to be disappointing pieces of shit.  I hope this trend does 
>not continue.  But even if it does, at least it bodes well for the A5000.
>

	Let's not forget the 500 in that first list!!!! Yes, I still
use mine with 1 meg and 3 floppies! (I don't know whether to type a
:) or a  :( )
From: mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Good C Programming <AmigaGuide Doc> required
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:19:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.cerQEm600hsBJ61qYm
	<krutten.719166046@sfu.ca>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There are a number of online reference works for the Amiga available in
the public domain. 
What would be really really nice, would be if some (all!) of them were
converted to be AmigaGuide readable - then I could add them the info
from the SASC6.0 help system and programming would become a much more
pleasant experience.
From: ccsw@bristol.ac.uk (EthaStorm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is Black bad in Europe ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:27:41 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <1992Oct12.154421.8822@sagpd1> monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine) writes:
>
>    I have a question for the European members of the net.
>
>    I was just talking to one of our design engineers and he made a statement
>that I would like to verify. It seems that Europeans do not like electronic
>equipment that is Black. I do not know if this is true or not and would like

Hello.

Well, I can't speak for the other X million Europeans, but I like my electronic
equipment in black. Recently purchased a TV, and YUP, you guessed it, it was
black. Looks kinda cool in the corner of my room.

As for black, I got my Amiga painted black, with a black panic button on it,
which has black writing lit by a black light.... and oooopsss sorry I got a
bit carried away.

>    Could this be why CDTV did not take off as well in Europe as was expected?
>Monty Saine


Monty,
  I think you'll find that the reason that CDTV didn't 'take off' in Europe
as expected is two-fold. First, we Europeans (I'm a European not a Brit!) are
a little behind in the new developements technology-wise. Not backwards, just
we tend to catch up a little later than the USA. Second, in case you hadn't
noticed, the majority of Europe is financially scr*wed!!! Recent figures claim
that 27% of the British populace are on OR BELOW the poverty line, house
repossessions by banks is at an all time high, unemployment is the highest
ever. I really believe that, at the moment, people have a lot to worry about
and hence, can't afford uneccessary expenditure. CDTV, IMHO, does NOT offer
enough advantages over other formats for people to rush out and buy it (at
the moment!)

If this piece sounds shirty, it's not meant to. Apologies in advance.

   Steff   *8)


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From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Any experience with the Grolier Encyclopedia CD-ROM on the Amiga?
Distribution: comp
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:19:15 EDT
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <GmrPr*9t5@jwdata.se> jw@jwdata.se (Johan Widen) writes:
>I'm considering buying an encyclopedia on CD-ROM to be used on an Amiga.
>My question is thus: does it "work" usefully on the Amiga, or would I need
>a PC?

   There is an edition of Groliers Encyclopedia in the list of CDTV titles.
It used to be bundled with the CDTV.  I don't know if it is any different
from the Groliers Encyclopedia CDs for MS-DOS computers.  There may be
something different in the way they store graphics.  Be sure you resolve
that issue and know whether the disc you're getting is for the Amiga or
MS-DOS.

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