From: beorn@elk.Berkeley.EDU (Beorn Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOTES
Date: 15 Oct 1992 00:06:37 GMT
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Tom Holub <tom@soda.berkeley.edu> in <1bgevhINNq15@agate.berkeley.edu>:
-  I find that every team thinks the other team popped more armies, and
-  that this feeling is rarely borne out by the numbers.  It's also
-  very unlikely for the karma not to balance during the course of
-  a game; you just don't notice when *your* planets are popping.
-   -Tom

Maybe, but . . .

I recently played in a regulation length, INL-3.0-server scrimmage
I reviewed that stats:

	total armies bombed	total armies ogged
Rom		680			67
Kli		636			37
diff		44			30
total	74 more armies killed by Roms (about 10%)

(the 5x bonus for ogged armies was subtracted out of the armies bombed).

Here is the planet-taking by team summary:

Rom	Kli	Ind	Planet
10	10	0	START
10	9	1	Mira (agri)
11	9	0	Mira (agri)
11	8	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	7	2	Eridani
12	8	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Scorpii
13	7	0	Scorpii
13	6	1	Pliedes
14	6	0	Pliedes
13	6	1	Scorpii
13	7	0	Scorpii
12	6	2	Pliedes
13	7	0	Pliedes
12	6	2	Mira (agri)
13	7	0	Mira (agri)
12	7	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
12	7	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
12	7	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Regulus
11	9	0	Regulus
11	8	1	Regulus
12	8	0	Regulus
12	7	1	Eridani
12	8	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Eridani
13	7	0	Eridani
13	6	1	Mira (agri)
14	6	0	Mira (agri)
13	6	1	Eridani
13	7	0	Eridani
13	6	1	Eridani
14	6	0	Eridani
13	6	1	Eridani
13	7	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Mira (agri)
12	8	0	Mira (agri)
12	7	1	Eridani
13	7	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Sirius
12	8	0	Sirius
11	7	2	Sirius
12	8	0	Sirius
11	8	1	Regulus
11	9	0	Regulus
11	8	1	Regulus
12	8	0	Regulus
12	7	1	Cygni
13	7	0	Cygni
12	7	1	Cygni
12	6	2	Mira (agri)
13	6	1	Mira (agri)
13	7	0	Cygni
12	7	1	Mira (agri)
12	8	0	Mira (agri)
12	7	1	Andromeda
12	8	0	Andromeda
12	7	1	Andromeda
12	8	0	Andromeda
11	7	2	Cygni
12	8	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Cygni
11	9	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Lalande
11	9	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Eridani
11	9	0	Eridani
10	9	1	Lalande
10	10	0	Lalande
10	9	1	Eridani
11	9	0	Eridani
10	9	1	Regulus
10	10	0	Regulus
9	10	1	Eridani
9	9	2	Regulus
10	9	1	Regulus
10	10	0	Eridani
9	10	1	Regulus
9	11	0	Regulus
8	11	1	Indi (agri)
9	11	0	Indi (agri)
8	11	1	Sirius
8	10	2	Eridani
8	11	1	Sirius
9	11	0	Eridani
9	10	1	Sirius
10	10	0	Sirius
9	10	1	Sirius
9	9	2	Regulus
10	9	1	Sirius
11	9	0	Regulus
10	9	1	Regulus
11	9	0	Regulus
11	8	1	Andromeda
11	9	0	Andromeda
11	8	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
12	7	1	Andromeda
13	7	0	Andromeda
13	6	1	Cygni
13	7	0	Cygni
12	7	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Andromeda
11	9	0	Andromeda
11	8	1	Cygni
12	8	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Eridani
11	9	0	Eridani
11	8	1	Eridani
12	8	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Andromeda
12	8	0	Andromeda
11	8	1	Eridani
11	9	0	Eridani
10	9	1	Cygni
10	10	0	Cygni
10	9	1	Eridani
11	9	0	Eridani
11	8	1	Cygni
12	8	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Cygni
11	9	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Cygni
12	8	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Cygni
11	9	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Lalande
11	7	2	Cygni
10	7	3	Eridani
10	8	2	Eridani
11	8	1	Cygni
11	9	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Lalande
10	8	2	Cygni
11	8	1	Cygni
12	8	0	Lalande
12	7	1	Eridani
13	7	0	Eridani
12	7	1	Lalande
12	8	0	Lalande
11	8	1	Cygni
11	9	0	Cygni
11	8	1	Lalande
11	9	0	Lalande
10	9	1	Eridani
10	10	0	Eridani
9	10	1	Regulus
9	11	0	Regulus
8	11	1	Sirius
8	12	0	Sirius
7	12	1	Indi (agri)
7	13	0	Indi (agri)
7	12	1	Indi (agri)
8	12	0	Indi (agri)
7	12	1	Capella
7	12	1	FINAL


Roms were down only in two small phases of the game, destroyed 74 more armies
(roughly 10%), but lost 7-12-1.

I agree that this is not conclusive evidence, but balancing the random
number generator wouldn't be too hard and wouldn't affect the game negatively
either.  At least some sort of record could be kept of army pops so that
it can be reviewed.

Also, talk about an opportunity to cheat.  Forget hacking the clients,
hack the server for home games!

	Beorn
	(aka Snidly)
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