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From: wca0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Konsultant Cody A)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Creation of Fixed-Position Graphics Frame
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:56:15 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am running Interleaf 5.2 off of an IBM rs6k model 320H.  I am using a Sun
3/60 as my display machine.

OK...I am currently laying out an internal newsletter.  I would like to create
a frame which will appear in the lower left-hand corner of the page, offset
1.5" from the bottom of the page and .5" from the right of the page.
(WordPerfect can do this...so I'm SURE Ileaf can!).

I TRIED making the frame placement underlay and overlay in the frame
properties sheet, HOWEVER this allows text to be typed under/over the graphics
frame.  I want the text to go AROUND the frame, while keeping the frame in a
fixed position (i.e. I don't want the text to push the frame into the next
column, onto the next page, etc.)

Save me from WordPerfect!!  Help me find a solution!!  Everyone's help is
appreciated.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: ctalbott@mksol.dseg.ti.com (christopher j talbott)
Subject: Re: Revision Bars - automatic
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.053543.27629@mr.med.ge.com>, stevez@outboard.med.ge.com (Steve Zanoni 5-4325) writes:
|> I would like to open a document, set revision bar on, and then have every-
|> thing I type get a revision bar.
|> 
|> Now I put my cursor where I want to make a change, go turn on revision, then
|> type away to get revision bars. Once I move the cursor to a different section
|> of the text, I have to go through the same sequence.
|> 
|> There must be an easier way to do this. At least I hope there is.
|> --
|> Steve Zanoni
|> GE Medical Systems
|> stevez@med.ge.com

I have done exactly what you want to do before, but I have to remember how it
is that I did it...rummage, shuffle, shuffle...ahh...here it is...

On the document-level text properties menu (the one that normally says
"<Default Text Props>" underneath the page menu at the top of the document
window), choose "RevBars -> Persistent".

This will alter the document's properties so that any changes you make will be
rev-barred.  A nice feature of this is that if you type some text, then delete
it again (leaving the component "unchanged"), the revbar disappears (though I 
think there's some sort of statute of limitations on that...)

When they say "persistent", they really mean it.  Once you turn those on, they
stick around.

-Chris
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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: djg@genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham)
Subject: Re: Screen Captures?
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:14:26 GMT

In article <Bs1qtI.GAK@apollo.hp.com> bigos_p@apollo.HP.COM (Patrick Bigos) writes:
>
>Good morning all,
>
>    I was trying to invoke a screen capture within the Interleaf
>Five window and I am not getting the results I used to get with
>TPS4.0.  I was trying to capture a menu sequence.  You know...
>Hold down the middle button, traverse through the menus.  When I
>did the ctrl-Z thing, the menu said SEEYA!

>                             What's up with this?

Yup. Buggs me, too. I have reverted to using a UNIX screen capture
that I attach a sleep to (sleep 5; iscreen -i filename) The -i makes
an Interleaf file, automatically appending .img to the filename.
Someone here (not me, nope no way) did the alterations. I suppose a
regular screen image would work, then you have to convert it to
Interleaf with the filter (I think that was the alteration, the filter
is run on the resulting file automatically.)

Works well, and it works consistently.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

deb
(djg@genrad.com)
From: djg@genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: Table of contents:  How to set up the masters how I want them
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:13:19 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.162507.24523@rtsg.mot.com> wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf) writes:
>I would like to have the table of contents use the masters I have
>set up.  Each time the TOC is generated, it forgets my changes to
>the masters in the previous TOC.

We do this by having a template that we paste the Interleaf-created
TOC into (select the TOC document and then cut, open the template and then 
paste in the black component bar). Then we Select->All of-><component>TOC,
Change-><component>TOC....and so on for all the components. This takes
the Master properties in the template and applies them to the
generated contents.

Our template is in the System5 cabinet, Create cabinet, GRTemplates
drawer (which holds all the GenRad-created templates) so that anyone
can get a new copy when they need to generate another TOC.

Hope this helps and answers your question.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

deb
(djg@genrad.com)
GR Interleaf Guru; Editor and Writer, GR Interleaf Newsletter
From: blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Wong - SMCC Technical Product Marketing)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: SIGSEGV and SIGBUS signals
Date: 21 Jul 1992 15:57:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: majipoor.corp.sun.com

My experience has been that using the colour profiles is what causes so many 
of the faults.  It's rather unfortunate, because it's a pleasant feature.
But I've had to remove all of the color profiles in my group owing to all of
the problems associated with them, and the number of SEGVs and BUSs has dropped
virtually to nil since then.

The other feature which seems to cause this is Revision Tracking, but it doesn't
have nearly the same impact.  This is fortuante, since we can't afford to turn
off Revision Tracking like the color profiles.

We have 5.3.0 on SPARC and a few other platforms (mostly SPARC, as you might guess).

---

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blw@chessie.corp.sun.com		Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
415-336-0082				Palo Alto, CA 94303
From: pcc@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Scribe to troff or latex or wordperfect
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:22:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

I have a SCRIBE format document which I want to print off, 
has any kind soul out there got a Scribe to either Latex or
troff or wordperfect converter, I only need to get into anyone 
of the above formats....


thanks
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Rounding function in c
Followup-To: comp.text
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Jul 1992 07:10 EST  

In article <451@rascal.UUCP>, theo@rascal.UUCP (T. Kramer 794-1472) writes...
>In article <1992Jul16.232926.4740@rossinc.com> ciaranst@rossinc.com (ciaran storan) writes:
>>
>>Hi,
>> Does anyone out there have a rounding function for ANSI 'C', I am
>>trying to do some financial applications, and badly need a rounding
>>function.
>>
>>Any HELP??.
> 
>Me too please.
> 
>please email me theo@rascal.UUCP 

/* rounds num to nearest base */
int round(float num, int base)
{
	int retval;
	num += base/2;
	retval = ((int) num)/base;
	retrun retval*base;
}

so if i had 5632 and I wanted to round it to the hundreds place...
  5632 +(100)/2 = 5682;
  5682/100 = 56.82 = 56 (int math drops the fractional part)
  56 *100 = 5600;

and for 5683
  5683 + 50 = 5733
  5733/100 = 57
  57*100 = 5700

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From: gfv@daddel.saar.de (Gero Verch)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Uniplex reediting a file
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:16:33 GMT

HI YOU UNIPLEX_GURUS,

there is a problem with with UNIPLEX-softkey menus.

Interactively changing a document while editing a another there is no
problem. You simply press F2 to get to the menu, choose New-Document,
Uniplex asks for confirmation and then for the file to be edited. 
But beware of doing this in a softkey-menu!

5=F158:'J':X(0,0,S,,shell-command_returning_a_filename_on_stdout)
        ^--- german `Y'es
   ^-------- Re-edit file in uniplex.cmd'

The machine just beeps, and nothing else happens.
Same thing with F154 (New-file) then 'J' for confirmation, F65 (read and insert)
and the shell-command_returning_a_filename_on_stdout.

Is there no way to get uniplex to edit a new file (named by a shell-script)
without invoking uniplex again ??


The basic problem is that I wish to merge some addresses with a letter.
Since the built-in Mailmerging features of UNIPLEX only use 'ucard',
I decided to use reports and the database.

I start the WP using "cd $REPORTDIR; uniplex -q -e -S mysoftkeys" from 
'uniplex.menu' to get 'ufo' to work (for comfortable selecting purposes).

After the user has choosen his mailmerging-letter (the report), he only
needs to press F5 to get 'uform' and 'ureport' running. 
(at this point the filename is in $Ufile and the data in $Ucutfile)
Now the user wishes to edit the merged file to add some data which is not 
included in the database, so I need to edit the merged file.

Any ideas how to manage this in an more elegant way ?

All responses via Email welcome!

	Gero

PS: uniplex 7.01, SCO 3.2.2
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From: merchant@cbnews.cb.att.com (shahrukh.s.merchant)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: PIC: How to stop it from 'shrinking'
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:27:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul24.141421.1911@mach4.wlu.ca> derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:
>I am creating a pic file to put on an 8 x 11 sheet. PIC insists on
>shrinking the file down to 7 X 8 (or so). 
>
>How can I override this shrinking?
>
>I have tried
>
>scale = 1
>.PS 8 11

Well, I don't know which version of pic you have, but the following is
true for the version we have installed here.

1. Pic does NO scaling until either the horizontal dimension exceeds
   8-1/2" or the vertical 11".
2. If either of these dimensions is exceeded, pic will scale the
   offending dimension down to SEVEN inches (why not 8-1/2, or 11,
   or 7 for horizontal and 10 for vertical, who's to say?).  So
   if you truly want an 8-1/2 x 11 picture in portrait mode, as long
   as your picture is not straying an iota (+- one LSB on your
   system :-)) from the maximum dimensions above, you should be
   OK.
3. In DWB version something-or-the-other, the variables maxpswid
   and maxpsht were added.  If you set these appropriately, e.g.,
		maxpswid=17i
		maxpsht=11i
   for a landscape-mode drawing on 11x17" paper, pic will not
   invoke its automatic scaling until those dimensions are
   exceeded.  If you do exceed these, it will scale to -- what
   else? -- 7 inches (I told you, don't ask me why 7 inches!).

					Shahrukh Merchant
					merchant@mvuxd.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond)
Subject: Re: Straw man proposal for overlapping markup
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:52:14 GMT

In article <5431@ebt-inc.UUCP>, sjd%ebt-inc@uunet.uu.net (Steve DeRose) writes:
> Here's a straw-man proposal for an upgrade to SGML for handling overlapping
> markup streams.  I won't claim it's very pretty, but it has advantages:
> 
>    * A parser that does know about the construct can at least validate
>      that all tags for overlapping elements balance.
> 
> Anybody see problems with this idea?  

  Can the parser validate balancing tags for overlapping elements without 
ceasing to be context free?  I don't think so.  (A sketch of a proof:
imagine a pushdown automaton stacking the opening tags, and then having 
to match up an end tag with some opening tag that's inside the stack).

  Does it matter?

-Darrell.
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: etnkna@hisoy2.etn.ericsson.se (Aksnes Knut-Havard)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: It's Not Just for Text Anymore
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:25:08 GMT
	<BrrEw0.MsA@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS

>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:09:35 GMT, drraymon@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Darrell Raymond) said:

>>The BNF used to define Algol and C, and the railroad track diagrams used
>>to define Pascal (and presumably Modula 2) cannot handle the
>>context-sensitive construct DR cited (viz. X**n Y**n) any more than SGML
>>can, but the grammars are still useful for those working with those
>>languages.

>   This example doesn't work for several reasons.  First, the BNF of C 
> doesn't define C - that requires a lot of semantic information as well 
> (I haven't thought about it enough, but it may be that it even requires 
> Turing equivalence).  Second, the construct "X**n Y**n" is in fact 
> context-free.  Third, the construct "ww", which is the one I actually 
> mentioned, has no special semantics in C, or any other programming 
> language that I am aware of - it just means "do w and do w again".  So 
> recognizing it is not important.  Finally, are you confusing two 
> languages? - namely, the language consisting of the set of strings that 
> represent valid C programs (which is context free) and the language 
> accepted by any given C program (which, in general, is recursively 
> enumerable)?

The set of all strings representing valid C programs can not be
described by a context free grammar, a superset of all valid C programs
can be recognised by a context free grammar. To recognize correct C
programs you will need a semantical analysis as well. 

When using context sensitive grammars you can do some type checking
in the syntactical analysis phase.


>>SGML's most serious problems as a practical tool seem to me
>>not its lack of non-CF power but the number of bells and whistles it has.
>  	.
>  	.
>>Darrell, what on earth are you up to now?

>   Trying to establish formal arguments in favor of eliminating bells
> and whistles.  Question: could markup itself be one of them?

> -Darrell. 
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From: U35395@uicvm.uic.edu (C. M. Sperberg-McQueen)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: Identifying Overlaps
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:17:01 GMT
 <Bruv6B.n3o@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Darrell Raymond writes:
>   I think I am being fair in insisting that external structure not
> be classified as "markup".  If I allow you to claim that non-embedded
> structure is really markup, then I guess I get to claim that FulText
> indexes are also markup too!  In fact, any and every structure then
> becomes markup.  In that case, please tell me what word you would
> like to use for "little codes inserted in the text that tell me
> something about its structure", and I will reword the problem to
> ask for that instead.

How about 'inline markup' as opposed to 'external' or 'out-of-line'
markup?  Simple, clear, and avoids the ontological difficulties inherent
in the claim that saying 'Passage X is a blort' counts as 'marking
up' the passage in one case, but does not count as 'marking up' the
passage in another case, depending on where I am when I say it.

Yes, I think some people on this list would say full text indices and
other auxiliary data structures can be classed as markup, at least under
some definitions.  I would, at least.  External markup has some
advantages and some disadvantages vis-a-vis inline markup, but I'd say
it's still most usefully considered, and referred to as, markup.

-C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
From: drraymon@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Darrell Raymond)
Subject: Re: SGML and Data Representation
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:50:40 GMT

In article <9207202246.AA15855@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, DRMACRO@RALVM13.VNET.IBM.COM ("Dr. "Eliot Kimber" Macro") writes:
>As a friendly challenge and an educational experience for me, I
>challenge you to present here data expression methods you think SGML
>documents cannot express and I will define ways of expressing them.  A
>six pack of my finest homebrew (or reasonable alternative should you
>not be a beer drinker) says I can't be stumped.  Either way we'll
>all learn something valuable.

  Well, let's try an example and see what happens:

  I have a text of some length that contains many elements that overlap.  
I want you to find a way to tag the document so that the tags demarcate 
all the possible intersections of the elements.  For example:

	<X>now is the <Y>time</X> for all good men</Y>

  This tagging shows an X and a Y element that overlap only for "time", 
but have their own content otherwise (X is "now is the time", and Y
is "time for all good men").  If it helps, think of yourself describing 
a Venn diagram and all its possible intersections.

  What I want you to do is tell me how you would mark up such a document 
where the number of overlapping components is n.  Note that the number of 
possible intersections is 2**n - 1.  And to count as "expressed by SGML",
the description must be within what SGML can enforce; if the DTD permits
some other reasonable interpretation of the document, you lose.

-Darrell.
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Are there any SGML standards for formatting equations?
Followup-To: poster,comp.text.sgml
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:47:32 GMT

 Are there any SGML standards for formatting equations?
From: drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond)
Subject: Re: Representing Overlapping Data Structures in SGML, Round 2
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:40:47 GMT

In article <9207231959.AA06068@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, DRMACRO@RALVM13.VNET.IBM.COM ("Dr. "Eliot Kimber" Macro") writes:

>Let's try the first solution again, with a corrected starting base:
>
>X  now is the      for
>Y      is     time for all
>Z         the      for all good
>
>I can do this:
>
><x start id=x1>now <y start id=y1>is<y end>
><z start id=z1>the<z end>
><x end><y start refid=y1>time<x start refid=x1>
><z start refid=z1>for all<y end> good<z end>
>
>Not the best, but it does meet the challenge, I think.

I think the last line of your solution has an error; it should be:

<z start refid=z1><x start refid=x1>for<x end> all<y end> good<z end>

  ...at least, if I understand the solution technique properly.  A 
question: could a "reasonable" application assume that the refid/id 
elements were not in fact parts of the same element, but simply two
parts linked as in a cross reference?  In that case, a "reasonable" 
application could infer something that was not valid, and if you recall, 
I disallowed solutions that permitted invalid inferences by "reasonable"
applications. 
 
>To my mind,
>documents, and specifically text documents, are not simply
>flat streams of characters sprinkled with identifying markup
>here and there, but complex systems of information objects,

  To my mind as well.  Why then should we be bind the future of text 
processing to a system which is based on those very assumptions?

>The question of external specifications being markup or not
>depends in part on your view of what the document is.

  This seems too evasive to me.  SGML was created to deal with markup, 
and markup is the stuff that SGML can parse and enforce.  It can't parse 
or guarantee any external structure, so far as I know (please correct me 
if I'm wrong).  The question of external specifications being markup,
among other things, holds within it the question of whether you want to
continue to promote SGML as a standard, I think.

-Darrell.
From: comrbl@hatfield.ac.uk (British-library)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: HyTime and IETMs
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:28:06 GMT




I am trying to find out the current state of the US DOD's IETM
(Interactive Electronic Technical Manual) program.
I have read that HyTime is being used to describe the Hypertext
aspects of the Content Data Model. I am not sure however if this is
exactly true or whether there is only a proposal to use HyTime.
Can anyone tell me where I can get some documentation on this?
Are there any military standards for IETM user interfaces?
Where can I get these from?
Are the user interfaces going to be described in HyTime?

Any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Steve Baird

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From: DRMACRO@RALVM13.VNET.IBM.COM ("Dr. "Eliot Kimber" Macro")
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: SGML as Data Description
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:26:07 GMT

Darrell,

I'm afraid you've lost me entirely (which may be as much
my lack of understanding of formal languages as anything else), but I'm
afraid I'm not sure what your point is in analyzing
SGML in this way.  I have a feeling there's some valuable
insight at work, either relative to SGML itself or
data modeling in general, but I haven't a clue as to what it
might be.

I'm really confused by the question "could markup be eliminated?".
Maybe I'm being dense (wouldn't be the first time), but I fail
to see the point in this question.  It would sort of be like
asking highway engineers if roads could be eliminated because
airplanes are so much more efficient methods of transportation.
The question falls outside the parameters of the current problem,
and thus is meaningless, at least to highway engineers.
The whole value of markup is that it provides information about
the data that is not intrinsic in the data itself.  Ipso facto,
it can't be eliminated.

Perhaps it would be helpful to explain for non-scientists like
myself the meaningful difference between context free and
recursively enumerable?

Eliot Kimber                      Internet:  drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com
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