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From: joep@brahms.amd.com (Joseph Pawletko)
Subject: Re: Duke vs Michigan
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:43:16 GMT

In article <00958AC1.6DF239C0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> imsjd104@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes:
>
>(Doesn't it always seem that the teams you hate the most have the best teams?)
>                                               
 Or is it that you hate the teams that are the best?


food for thought...
spud
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: When is the NBA Draft Day?
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The title says it all.  When is the NBA Draft Day?

For extra points, how about posting a list of players available for
the draft? (Please include: name, college, height, position, stats)

Thanks in advance....

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steve Williams
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:51:48 GMT



burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>I thought that Pat Knight, since his father is a university employee,
>would not need a scholarship.

Employee?  I thought that Bob Knight owns IU.


--Gidi
From: ziegler@nyquist.bellcore.com (Rob Ziegler 21324)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Keywords: Vanderveer
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research

In article <ktrloqINNggn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> larose@cs.utk.edu 
(Brian LaRose) writes:

>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?

I'd go with Tara Vanderveer, Stanford.

>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:

>1)  Coach K,           Duke 
>2)  The General" Robert Montgomery Knight,  IU

Oh, you were talking about the mens' game.

That's OK, I'll still go with Vanderveer.  Great job, and I'd say
that the only college hoops team with a brighter future may be 
Steve Fisher's Wolverines.

 -- Rob Ziegler -- ziegler@nyquist.bellcore.com -- (908) 758-3057 --
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Next Year!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:46:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2306
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

First off, I want to congratulate Cincinatti for a great year--I predicted
them to lose in the first round, so I'll serve up a delicious dish of crow
to munch on.  
 Second, I will hereby predict that this Michigan team will never make it
back to the finals again.  It seems too much like the 1978 Duke team that
made it to the finals (immortalized by John Feinstein in _Forever's Team_).
That was a team dominated by two starting freshmen, a soph and 2 jrs,
after years of Duke mediocrity, that went a long way.  But they lost their
naivete, and had many internal squabbles and distractions, and had too much
pressure to do well next year.  Steve Fisher will really have to prove his
worth, not so much by coaching, but keeping egos in check and deflecting
too much praise/pressure from the media.  Chris Webber is a great one, but
has a lot of growing up to do.
  Third, what are the preseason rankings going to be????
Maybe:
1) Indiana
2) Kansas
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Seton Hall
6) Florida State
7) Kentucky
8) So Cal (if Miner comes back)
9) Ohio State (if JJ comes back)
10) Oklahoma State

Does this sound reasonable? Who I am forgeting? FSU has a great recruiting
class, and return all their starters and big contributors.  I see the 
ACC like this:
1) Duke (too much experience, but it'll be a dogfight this year)
2) FSU (could easily be #1)
3) UNC (Montross is starting to dominate, Phelps is solid, I predict
        Don Williams will start to come on)
4) GTech (best frontline in the ACC)
5) Wake (Rodney Rogers. Randolph Childress. Need I say more?)
6) Virginia (NIT momentum, tough Cory Alexander and Junior Burrough)
7) NC State (great recruiting class, some skilled perimeter players--I like
             this team a lot)
These seven teams should all have winning records, and all seven might go to
the NCAA's.
8) Clemson (getting better, will win a bunch of games.  Sharrone Wright
	     will be all-ACC)
9) Maryland (no more Walt, but no more probation.  Some tough times ahead
		for this gutty club that still may pull a few upsets)

I predict a very good year, and a very even season.  Duke had too many 
veterans to be challenged this year.   Please note that my 1 - 7 teams 
will probably have no more than 3 or 4 games separating them in the 
standings.
  It's been a great year! Only seven or so months til next year!!!
--Robert Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman)
Subject: Congrats to the champs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:56:39 GMT

Congratulations, Duke. Christian Laettner, Grant Hill, Antonio Lang, Bryan 
Davis and Bob Hurley.  This lineup will be remembered for a long time.  As for 
repeating, it couldn't have been done by a classier program.

Michigan's "Fab Five" will be back (but for how long?). The experience of Duke 
showed in the second half of the game.  Laettner showed that he is well 
deserving of NPOY honors with, I believe, 17 second half points.

It will be interesting to see how the Blue Devils respond next year without 
Laettner and Davis.  I'm not sure how well they recruited (probably in the top 
10). Three in a row?

I wouldn't want to be living in Chapel Hill right now because the Dookies are 
probably giving Tar Heel fans enough heat for which coach has more national 
titles.

Big Ten, we had a great year.  Two teams in the Final Four (unfortunately one 
of them wasn't Ohio State).  Michigan and Indiana did very well in Minneapolis.
If JJ stays, POY in '93

The "Fab Five" will be tough next year.  May be headed to the Superdome for the
'93 Final Four.

Can anyone tell me if Duke and Michigan play next year and where the '94 Final 
Four will be held?  From rumors, I hear the Deandome.

Once again, congratulations Dookies.  Champions until dethroned.

Ohio State in '92-'93
Go Bucks!
Tim
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Fab Five
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:07:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Apr6.184541.5528@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.220143.2108@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>
>>	According to Gibbons or one of those recruiting guru types, the
>>	Fab 5 were all rated within the top 12...
>
>   This can't be right.  Jackson was something like 80th in most of the 
>rating systems I saw.  So much so that most early publicity only talked
>about 4 freshmen.  One of the others (Howard or King) was around 20th
>in most mags also.

	OK, OK.  I now have it on fairly good authority that Rose, Webber,
	Howard, and King were in the Top 12, and Jackson was lower, closer
	to the 60-80 range...  Nothing to sneeze at...
-- 
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:52:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I'm slow, quite out of shape, carry a Mack truck tire around my waist and am
of average height.  My best basketball skills are shooting free throws and
rebounding--I define the term widebody.  As I often tell my wife, "If I had
about 8 more inches of height, 50 lbs less weight, could run, jump and had
some talent--you know I could play this game."

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *  Earn cash in your spare time!
University of Washington      *  Blackmail your friends.
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Don't call them fans (was Re: SOME Michigan Fans...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:50:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr10.135031.2095
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <BEINEKE.92Apr10111003@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu> beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason R Holdman) writes:
>>  Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>>  Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>>  worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss.
>> It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers
> 
>Please don't confuse the rioters with fans of Michigan basketball.  Despite
>phenomenal seat locations, UM student season tickets did not sell out. Less
>than ten percent of the student body bought them.  And as far as I can tell,
>relatively few members of the rowdy mob that chanted "Tear gas" were the loyal
>fans who suffered through 90-91 year.

Do you mean to tell me that even with the 5 X'z (Fab Five), you couldn't
sell out the allotment of UM season tickets?  If that is the case, the
University of Michigan does not deserve that team.  Hell, Purdue does
better at selling seats with a cast of non-talent.  Incredible!
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Drew Betz)
Subject: Radio broadcasters, T.V. turned down 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:55:19 GMT

In article <XJAM.92Apr8145723@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>nothing pundits. Here's to radio!

I've been turning down the T.V. and tuning into radio broadcasters
for years.  This is especially fun when Ohio State is playing,
because the Ohio State Buckeye Radio Network obviously has
*slightly* (grin) colored color (e.g., during a close spot
measurement during an OSU football game, the announcer declared,
"That's a good spot, a fair spot, and its a FIRST DOWN!!!").
Makes watching much more enjoyable.

Also, its kind of funny but the T.V. delay is a fraction of
a second longer than the radio, so if Jimmy Jackson shoots
a three its still in the air when the OSU Radio Network
Announcer declares, "He CANS IT!!!  A Trey for Jim Jackson!!!"

Drew 
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Isn't it funny...
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:19:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.121914.7221
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.202947.14483@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@icase.edu (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.150115.13933@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>It's funny to sit back and read the sophmoric cheers and jeers in this
>>newsgroup.  Normally, I would assume that this is the way most of the
>>people here are, but I look at some of the sig files and see that most of
>>these people have respectable jobs for respectable companies, or at least
>>are in graduate school.  Where else do you see senior research scientists
>>for major automobile companies saying dumb things like "Ha ha, manure tech
>>is not playing basketball any more", or the endless rash of "Our team is
>>going to stomp your team" comments.  I bet most of you are polite in public
>>and would never act like this.  I guess the computer brings out the worst
>>in all of us.
>>
>
>Yeah, well you go to Wisconsin.  What can you possibly know.  My favorite team
>can kick your favorite team's butts any day.  We're the greatest and you suck.
>We're the best in the world.
>
>Michael Nelson

For the record, I am in graduate school at Wisconsin.  I still cheer for my
undergraduate school (Purdue).  I still liked your response, though, and
being that Purdue is almost as lousy as Wisconsin, you statement is
probably true.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:57:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr8.005742.28872
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

My purpose in starting this thread was to point out that most of the
North Carolina folks who have been arguing that Laettner is better than
the Shaq now get a chance to prove it. If Charlotte does get #1 then 
insist that they take Laettner. Back up your month long diatribe with action.
If, as you have been arguing all along, Laettner is better than Shaq then you
should want Charlotte to take him over Shaq. WELL???????????????????

Now to the point: If Shaq does go to Charlotte I bet North Carolineans
start talking about him as superhuman,best player ever to play bball,
Godlike etc etc etc.

Which finally brings me to my point.  :)

We have been reading arguments fueled by regionalism and passion, not fact.
Laettner plays for my team therefore he is one of the 5 best college players
of all time (yes someone actually said that). Laettner is a far better player
than the Shaq (someone said that too). etc etc etc.  Its one thing to use
hyperbole to make a point, another to be totally serious and say something
outrageous.  Just remember--if Shaq does end up on "YOUR" team and suddenly
you think SHaq is the best thing since the wheel--what happened? DId Shaq
suddenly improve or were "YOU" wrong?  Call it an objectivity self test.

Roy
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke Recruiting and other notes
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:34:13 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

From what I've read, Randy Livingston is considered the #1 junior 
point guard in the country.  Jeff Capel is #2.  Capel this year averaged
25 ppg, 10 rpg, and 7.3 apg.  
  Chris Collins averaged 32 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 steals and only 4 assists.  I know
nothing about the rest of his team, but I would presume that he must have
been head and shoulders the best player if he scored that much and passed
off that little.  He shot 50% from the 3-point line, and had a knack for
winning games at the last second.  If he can play D, Marty Clark had
better become accustomed to the bench.
  Tony Moore is 6'7", with a body sculpted out of stone.  He is probably
the best pure athlete on the team since Robert Brickey.  He plays at
a tiny school in Maryland with 21 boys, and is the only real player on the
team.  Thus, it's had a bad record, but they've played a lot of good teams.
His stats; 25 ppg, 20 rpg, 8 blocks/game.  Pretty astounding, escecially
since he probably faces a lot of double-teams.  He intends on being a 
defensive specialist at Duke; his game is mostly above the rim.  He can
shoot a little from the perimeter; his FG% is an astounding 75%, mostly on
dunks.  But a lot of it is from good shot selection.  The really amazing 
thing about this kid is that he's only been playing basketball for 4
years; before that, he was a gymnast.  This guy is going to earn some fans
for his hard work and spectacular athletic feats.  How much time he'll
get will probably depend on his defense.
  Duke will be very good next year.  One thing that must be kept in mind
is that both Erik Meek and Kenny Blakeney have not been 100% all year;
their knee injuries have kept them from getting into the flow.  Meek will
adequately back up Parks; he is a decent pure post player who doesn't make
many mistakes.  His foul shooting is hideous (50%), and if he wants any
time, this must improve.  
   The player who had the most minutes this season was.............
Christian Laettner!  Hurley played more minutes per game, but his 3-week
unscheduled vacation pushed Laettner on top.  If Laettner is smart, he
will spend the summer on a conditioning program.  I almost hope he goes
to a team with a decent lineup; he proved as a frosh that he's strong off
the bench, and I think this is where he will do the most damage.  
  --Robert Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date:  6 Apr 92 19:31:25 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>To me, the big fight that Rollie will have on his hands is not with
>the players but with the boosters.  They won't like it if he starts
>giving up on some high-profile recruits "just because" they look like
>they won't study.

So, who's gonna pick up the slack and get all the Lloyd Daniels of the world?

-- M
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
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From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:11:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.151340.18656@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@habetler.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
     [stuff deleted]
|> The final four team seemed like they were unbeatable, but they
|> played like crap and Lou let them play like crap.
    [stuff deleted]
|> Any thoughts out there on this?
|> 
|> Pete Wung
|> 
|> PS I don't think he does a good job of graduating people either.


    Excuse Me??????   How exactly does one have a Final Four team that 
    plays like crap????   They were certainly one of the best teams in the
    country that year and lost on a last second shot to the eventual 
    champions (Michigan) in the semi-final.  You may have a point on 
    some of the other years but not with that team.


David Hartsough
dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu

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From: br347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Althouse)
Subject: Re: 191 days till October 15th!!!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 02:00:06 GMT


_November 1st?!?!?!?!_
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't take baseball that long!
Sheesh - 207 days now - thanks a lot :) !
--
From: tjochem+@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Jochem)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:45:39 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Well, I don't know about within ten miles of each other, but take a look at UK,
OSU, Cincinnati and IU. Although not within 10 miles of each other, they are
still pretty close.

-- 
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                        Carnegie Mellon University
tjochem@cs.cmu.edu      Pittsburgh, PA 15213
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:39:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <OLIVER.92Apr8123104@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.90036.8828@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) wrot> While we're dwelling in the realm of trivia, here's one for you.  Kentucky
>> is the only team to win the NCAA, NIT, and Olympic titles in the same year.
>
>How are you defining "same year"?  CCNY is the only school to win both the
>NCAA and NIT in the same year.

Mr. Oliver is right about this one - Kentucky has only won NITs in 1946
and 1976.  They lost in the first round of the NIT in 1949, whereupon
they went to the NCAA that same year and won it.  According to my 
records, that's the only time they played in both tournaments in the 
same year (at the end).  Maybe Wes meant that the seniors by 1948 had
accomplished all three things.

>And I'm real curious as to which year Kentucky won the Olympics.
>	Jim Oliver  

To satisfy your curiosity, it was in the 1947-48 season, at the 
Olympics in London.  Back then, there was a playoff system among
amateur teams, and, instead of today's practice of taking all-star
type qualifiers, they took most or all of the players from the winning
team.   Kentucky did well in the Olympic trials, although they lost
to an AAU team (Phillips Petroleum) in the championship.  But, for
reasons which aren't real clear to me (and no, I don't think Emery
Express existed back in those days), the team which was chosen for
those Olympics consisted of the bulk of the Kentucky team, one or
two guys from Phillips, and I think one or two other NCAA players.
players.   If I'm not mistaken, Rupp was coach, and he said that 
it was his proudest moment, seeing "his boys" get gold medals.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, this was the only time an NCAA team
got a gold medal as a team.  After this, they changed the way that 
the US team members were selected.

The scores (the US won all the games):

Score	Opponents
86-21	Switzerland
53-28	Czechoslovakia
59-57	Argentina
66-28	Egpyt
61-33	Peru
63-28	Uruguay
71-40	Mexico
65-21	France (finals)

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