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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:29:22 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Presidential politics

>There was a substantial discrepancy between
>Clinton's projected federal receipts and his planned outlays: something
>on the order of 300 billion dollars.  Pretty big gap, huh?  Likewise,
>there was a significant shortfall in Bush's program: on the order of
>440 billion dollars.  The period under consideration was, I believe, 5
>years (but I may be mistaken on that part, and I may be as much as 50
>billion off on either candidate;
>
>Marty

The issue is central, however, to Clinton's laughable claim that he is going to
apply the new 36% marginal rate to only family incomes over $200k and
individual incomes over $150k.  It is not central to Bush's promise not to
raise taxes.

1)   No one calculates marginal tax rates on the basis of adjusted gross
     income.

2)   Clinton's position paper on the subject says the 36% rate goes on the top
     2% of incomes.  The IRS says that's $64k of taxable income and above
     (average gross income of $73-78k)--not 200k/150k.

3)   Clinton claims that the raising of marginal rates on top 2% will add 83
     billion in revenue.  IRS says that 83 bil comes out only by hitting
     taxable incomes >$53k with 36% rate.

Notice how Clinton slimed around on that one during the debate--he added taxes
on foreign companies when Bush pointed out--without sufficient enthusiasm,
detail, or pressure, IMHO--the discrepancy.  Just can't get the guy to say the
same thing twice.  It's true.

I am *not* saying that Bush is on truth serum--just that Clinton is either
stupid or lying about his tax proposals.  You all pick which it is--and when
the 36% tax on the rich hits you, well, you'll know you're rich, I guess--
although it probably hadn't occurred to you recently--and you probably will not
have thought that Uncle Bill meant YOU.

I have nothing against raising the marginal rates on every effing ho in this
country--but Uncle Bill just cannot mean what he says.  Law of the excluded
middle (class) and all that.

Uncle Ross, now, speaks *straight* poop, whether you think it is poop or not.
And even if he too is lying about stuff, better the liars we know are lying
than those we don't?  Skepticism is a very healthy thing--but it is not
skepticism to choose the proven fakes over those one merely suspects of fakery.

And why should Dyadya Ross be specific in his "solutions?"  He has to work with
Congress and under the eye of the courts.  Why promise to do anything specific
except work on what he says he will work on?  Bush promised no new taxes (does
Barbara have hips?), compromised on the promise, and is taking it on the chin.
Why should Ross promise to do anything that may eventually turn out to be
unworkable or unacceptable.  His promise is to *work* on the nastiness of this
society.  What's the matter--you folks don't trust your Congressfolk to look
G6out for your more parochial interests?

-Mka


-K
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:02:26 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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> Why not save them to rub on stains in clothing?  You can also put them
> in an old stocking and use them as one bar.

<sigh>  Y'all are making me feel guilty about enjoying one of life's
small pleasures.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
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Subject: From the Annals of Democracy
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:00:25 GMT
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P.J. O'Rourke
Parliament of Whores

About the 1988 election:

     We had a choice between Democrats who couldn't learn from
the past and Republicans who couldn't stop living in it, between
Democrats who wanted to tax us to death and Republicans who
preferred to have us die in a foreign war.  The Democrats planned
to fiddle while Rome burned.  The Republicans were going to burn
Rome, then fiddle.
     When you looked at the Republicans, you saw the scum off the
top of business.  When you looked at the Democrats, you saw the
sum off the top of politics.  Personally, I prefer business.  A
businessman will steal from you directly instead of getting the
IRS to do it for him.  And when Republicans ruin the environment,
destroy the supply of affordable housing, and wreck the
industrial infrastructure, at least they make a buck off it.  The
Democrats just do these things for fun. (p.30)

-Entropy Publishing
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Subject: Re: Clinton and, well, you know
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:16:22 GMT
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> > Once again, the argument "I dislike him less than the others." Anyone
> > remember when you voted for a candidate, not against the others? Well,
>
> McGovern.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Kennedy.
ndh
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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Tonight's ghastly debate.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:40:43 GMT


Groan.  How painful.  Quayle didn't answer *any* questions, and sounded
like he *couldn't* - his tactic seemed to be turn everything round to
a preprepared argument calling Clinton a liar.  Perot's sidekick Stockdale
probably lost Perot any supporters he had - the man came across as a
senile geriatric with nothing to say, and what he did say made me shudder.
Gore came across as a professional politician (no, I don't mean that as
a compliment) who would make a good VP - a job that I think it was your
FDR who said was worth 'a jug of spit'.  I was disappointed in his stance
on health which sounded more right-wing than our Tory party.

Good luck to you.  Maybe someone should shoot the lot of them and come
up with a completely new set of candidates.

G
PS Note to NSA/CIA spooks who tend to get jumpy when anyone talks of
shooting people: that was a metaphor or something.  Not meant literally, OK?
(I just mention this coz one of the guys on usenet made a joke like that
last year and has been harassed ever since...)
-- 
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From: hillnr@hamlet.uncg.edu (Norman Hill)
Subject: Clinton's letter - skeleton? - nah...
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:58:00 GMT

In article <9210071031.AA20004@Ra.MsState.Edu> you write:
|> Btw, did any of the rest of you think about the contrast between Clinton's
|> letter and the recent babblings of the VMI kiddies?  I realize that Clinton
|> was a couple of years older than they are and that the letter was written
|> for a different audience.  I couldn't help comparing them, though.  I doubt
|> very much that the VMI clowns will ever have the depth to write such a letter.
|> Sort of like many Republicans, who refer to the letter as a skeleton in
|> Clinton's closet.  I think it's a beautiful letter.
|>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Me too, Natalie, me too!  (* for those who object to reposts - sorry - but it
is short and worth repeating! *)  That letter and Carter's speech at the
convention were the two things that have made me entirely confortable with
the idea of voting for Clinton.

  Norman


-- 
Norman Hill, Systems Programmer        Internet: hillnr@hamlet.uncg.edu
UNCG, Greensboro, North Carolina          Voice: (919) 334-3338

"Nothing is easier than fault-finding.  No talent, no self-denial, no brains
 are required to set up in the grumbling business."   -Robert West
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:14:22 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Still a lamer
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              Oct 7, 92 3:47 pm

> Yer right, it was me. I had the client set to port 210 (WAIS) instead of 70
> (gopher). Lame indeed. But not nearly as lame os leaving phrack and cud out
> of the gopher archive!

	That was on purpose.  Too much traffic -- and you can get them
elsewhere.  And guess what I just found!  The first message posted on
Usenet EVER.  Wheeeee!

Rita
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:19:00 EST
From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
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Greetings,

The only remotely interesting aspect of this diatribe is the reference to
"community standards."  One wonders whether the traditional notion of
community based in geographic proximity is at all relevant to the
net.  Certainly, the notion that a university should restrict access to
information based on the possibility that a minor could gain access is
and ought to be anathema to all academics.  In point of fact,
universities and university libraries do protect the rights of their
students and scholars to use and disseminate information that some find
offensive (including information having to do with sex).

It's clear the poster believes that sysops, by virtue of their control
over a machine, ought to be able to violate important aspects of
academic freedom.  This is nonsense tantamount to suggesting that the
person who oversees the typing room (in institutions that still have
them) should be able to regulate the content of the materials typed.
The job of a sysop is, or ought to be, to keep the plumbing working;
faculties ought to decide what kind of shit runs through the pipes.

Marty
From: GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: Re: Natalies Q about Clinton's tax plan
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:55:20 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
One may disagree with the proposal, but it's hardly "sliming."
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, what does "family incomes of $200,000 and above?" mean?  What
does "families with incomes of under $60,000" refer to?  Conceivably
he could raise taxes on all single people with incomes over $30,000
  I'M SURE YOU CAN CONCEIVE IT, BUT NO CONGRESS WOULD.  SPEAKING
    PLAINLY, THIS IS QUITE A REACH.  IT IS JUST AS LOGICAL TO CALL
    ALL SINGLE PEOPLE 'FAMILIES OF ONE'

and on all married couples without children with incomes over
$33,800 or so without creating any perverse rate schedules, and he
could increase the per-child exemption and accomplish all of these
things.  As for the incentives to upper income people, I'm not sure
that taxing foreign corporations to pay for tax relief will raise
any money.  The foreign corporations might move operations to other
countries.
              SURE, AND I MIGHT GET ELECTED PRESIDENT.  THEY WILL GO
               ONLY IF IT INCREASES PROFIT AND DOES NOT DO UNACCEPTABLE
               POLITICAL DAMAGE.
Steve Karlson
Luff 'em and leave 'em.
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Brass Butt Plugs
Organization: Karsten's Bit Bucket
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:09:51 GMT

ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) writes:
> Metaphor my ass.....or yours, as the case may be.....have you checked
> out the latest catalog from the Adam and Eve folks down the road?  You
> can get them either with REAL brass, or simply brass covered plastic,
> you pays your money and you takes your choice....including MC/Visa, of
> course....

Why go through the hassles of Snailmail?  JT Toys will send you an
ASCII catalog here.  Just ask for one from tucker@oxy.edu.

BTW, item A218 "Chrome Anal Dildo" is on sale for $40.00 through
the end of the month (regularly priced at $45.00).

From the catalog:

"For the connoisseur of sexual technology. This outrageous plug
is triple-chrome-plated bronze.  Dimensions are almost the same as
the standard medium anal dildo described above, just very slightly
smaller."

(The "medium anal dildo above" is listed at 5.5" in height and
 1 3/4" in maximum diameter)

You can place your orders at the same Email address using major credit
cards.

--karsten

(Don't delay if you want the sale price!)
From: harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU ((Bandwidth Pig))
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Subject: Re: Clinton and, well, you know
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:15:06 GMT
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>> Is it my imagination or are all the Clinton partisans on this list, er,
>> compositionally challenged?
>>
>> -abh
>
>        No.

Oh please. And all this time I was giving you credit for having a mind of
your own.

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:38:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: All aboard AUStrak (was gas tax)

> my teetotal workmate upset the (Bourke) police by refusing their
> hospitality and so they went out and arrested three young aboriginal girls;
> charged them with NEMD so that we had to stay around until their court
> appearance and then escort them back to Sydney on Christmas Eve ...

Forgive my ignorance.  What's NEMD?  Did the local constables commit
sexual harassment with the natives?  Cast them into the sensitivity
gulag!

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave 'em
From: harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU ((Bandwidth Pig))
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Subject: Re: VP debate
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:53:39 GMT
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>When did Edinburg, TX become a "big-city"?

It just looks that way from John's POV.

-abh
however, we have a lot of big <fat> citizens here
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:54:31 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Women in Politics
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Posted on 9 Oct 1992 at 12:26:55 by Emily Horning
>She must have had a reason for this ?!?!? ("By the way, they're both Jewish!"
>:-/ )
My posting sounded worse than what she said--she just said they were two
women, and then listed other things they have in common.  It just reminded
me of the Schrier/Singer ticket.

>Does this make you "hear" me, Karen? :-)

Yes.

>Now I hear your voice every time you post!

And you didn't before?  Bizarre! :)

Karen
From: jml4s@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU (Jonathan Lord)
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Subject: vaccimulgence
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:03:47 GMT
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I need to find the definition/derivation of this word:

VACCIMULGENCE

Anybody know this one?

Thanks guys!


Jonathan






JML4s@Virginia.edu / University of Virginia Health Sciences Library
Box 234 / University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Charlottesville, Virginia  22908
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:55:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Bits.

>   I did dearly love that Rainbow.....even considered buying a bluebox
>for it....not the kind for phone phreaking, but the add on that turned
>it IBM compatible....but finally decided to dump it and get my 386/20

I actually bought one of those things.  Not a very good decision.
After running it a couple of years, I decided it wasn't worth the
effort and separated the two again.  I learned some useful stuff in
the process of setting it up, though.  Funny how attached we can
become to material objects.  It will be a sad day when I eventually
have to pull the plug on the RB.  mem
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Subject:      Re: Presidential politics
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>Ambassador to China is hardly 'on your own' -- dealing with the culture
>on its terms, not yours.

Well, he didn't take his momma, did he?

-abh
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From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Adam in Ludlow
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Good show, Adam, finding a job. I for one have been through Ludlow,
although I can't remember anything about it. I wonder how many other
list members have been there? -Rod

(By the way, I'm still alive but having trouble keeping up with the
list. Maybe once a week someone should prepare a 25 - 50 words summary,
or maybe shorter, for those of us who temporarily can't hack it.)
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: The Marked One, Mark II

Ah'm back in the saddle again!  I never did get any reply to my message
to our "postmaster", but I guess this does show that
1.  It really isn't necessary to use profanity to get your point across, and,
2.  the bellowing bastard gets the privs.
(Ruth, although it HAS cooled off to the double-digits this week it's too damn
far down to our district office.  Or, not far away enough...)

John ""next week" was LAST week, ya dork!" W.
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: gas tax
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gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal) writes:
> That's right, US petrol is the cheapest in the non-arab world.  Yhat's
> why they're the worlds biggest polluters per capita.

Is gas still cheaper in Mexico than in the US?

BTW, speaking of auto pollution, just when did catalytic converters
become mandatory in Great Britain?

--karsten

(And will those gas-guzzling Rolls-Royces and V-12 Jags be banned soon?)
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Funny

Heard from a Clinton supporter, calling into the Barry
Farber radio show:

"We have a choice between an autocrat, a plutocrat,
 and a democrat!"

From the Clinton list.
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Clinton and, well, you know

You people are amazing!  You pride yourselves on your "non-burger-flipper"
status, but as quickly as you pounce on UL's you parrot partisan "fat ducks"
when it 'benefits' your political leanings.  I mean, GB doesn't know what a
computer is?  Guess he must have been taking a Reagan during all those Elint
briefings at the CIA, huh?  Gore spends time cruising the 'net?  Campaigning
for national office DOES give you a lot of free time.  C'mon, folks.  You've
been staring at VDT's for so long you've become as myopic as the proles you
deride!  I can enjoy a higher level of discourse over in the Student Union!

John "Care to sign a recall petition?" W.

ps - I have it from a reliable source that Bush kills and cooks crack babies
to feed Millie.  Pass it on.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:47:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMINJ 4
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> You pay your son's college loans?  Boy, do I have a deal for you...care to
> adopt a daughter???
>
> //anne "smith"//

//annie//!!!  Where have you been?  Have looked for you for years,
ads in the Times, the Voice, the Enquirer, but to no <avail>....
Bring me certification from your doctor that you are still
as <innocent> as you were the day you walked out on your mother
and me and your loans are <history>.
--Dad S.
p.s.:  the child in question keeps talking about when he is
gainfully employed on a regular basis....
From: harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU ((Bandwidth Pig))
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Subject: Re: PC Tools 8
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:38:12 GMT
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>Anyway, any tidbits about PC Tools 8 would be greatly appreciated.

Relatively innocent, as e-oopses go.

-abh
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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              16 Oct 1992 10:00:00 EST from <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>

Rx for Squire Traven:

  Take the rest of your birthday off.  Ice down a case of Iron City
(longnecks of course).  Start playing through the complete works of
Bob Dylan, turning up your favorites to raising-the-dead volume.  (Let
me hear "Quinn the Eskimo" all the way down here!)  Plan the rest of
your tax year.  Run the figures once with all clambake expenses
deducted as a professional-development outlay.

  If this doesn't help, take a diazepam and call me in the morning.

  brad
From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Date: 11 Oct 92 02:13:41 GMT
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>Maybe once a week someone should prepare a 25 - 50 words summary,
>or maybe shorter, for those of us who temporarily can't hack it.

Here it is:
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:31:35 EDT
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Subject:      Re: So now that we are meeting each other....
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Posted on 7 Oct 1992 at 23:37:18 by (Bayla Singer)
>It's a bit disconcerting, when I read an article or book by a professional
>colleague, to imagine him or her in the room with me!  Particularly when
>it's my dissertation advisor.

Yes!  I didn't even think about this, but I do the same thing.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:23:00 EST
From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: Anything of Interest?

Greetings,

Well, I thought it was interesting when Clinton mentioned that people in
Mississippi have funny southern accents.

Marty