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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:42:20 GMT

Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes writes:

> Can you please explain this a bit more? I find it very hard to believe.
> If the sew-ups are moving under load, do they move in one direction or
> do they move in both directions? Do they move a lot or just a bit
> (hardly visibly)? If they move, what about the valve? I suspect that if
> the tire move around on the rim, one can see it on the valve.

When the tire distorts under load, its base tape squirms laterally and
lengthwise about 0.2 to 0.5 mm depending on load.  The tire generally
does not creep except when braking.  All this motion is taken up in
the adhesive.  If you inspect old tubulars that you have ridden, you
will find they are discolored from the aluminum abraded from the rim.
Old rims often have cloth pattern fretted into their surface from
oxide embedded in the cloth.

I certainly have many such rims and old tires in my collection of old
stuff.  I have about 20 Fiamme, Ambrosio, Martano, and Mavic tubular
rims that reside in the bone yard where we used to stretch tires,
patch them and curse them.  I have re-tubed and booted too many
tubulars to recall.  Recently an enthusiastic rider came by to see
how it is done.  I re-tubed a Clement track tire for him with a tube
from many that I still have in plastic bags.  It was pleasant to do
it once more knowing that I didn't need to do this and that it may
come in handy for others.  It only takes a couple of inches of sewing.

Ride clinchers!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Olympics Results: someone lese to post?
Date: 31 Jul 1992 19:28:37 GMT
Organization: MD Anderson Cancer Center

Hi,
I've been (trying) to post the Olympic Cycling Results on a daily basis
(at least what I can get from my local paper...).
I will be away from computer access this weekend until Monday.
If anyone else is willing to post these results, I am sure some folks out 
there would be appreciative.
If noone else posts results over the weekend, I will try to post what I can
on Monday. Also, if anyone is interested in a (rather long) file containing
all the postings I made and most of the emailed and posted response I got
let me know and I can email it.
Since the last of the cycling is this weekend, I probably will not be posting
about this again, so ...farewell.
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All opinions are mine, I tell you, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE (unless 
you want to rent them for a small fee...)
-Cyndi Smith-------------------cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
-M.D. Anderson Cancer Center-----Houston, Texas
-ph: 713/794-4938--------------fax: 713/792-4262
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: olevnmr@chem.ualberta.ca (olevnmr)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:49:13 GMT

arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger) writes:

>Graphite may work OK, its worth an experiment. We used graphite as a lubricant
>in ultrahigh vacuum chambers. You'll need to mix it with a carrier. Ethyl or
>Methyl alcohol works well. The carrier will evaporate and leave the graphite
>in place. It will also tend to remove any water left in the chain.

Around here, (namely in Canada) Canadian tire sells a dry graphite aresol (sp?)
lubricant that I've been meaning to try. If works as promised, it may be
a revolution!! (Yes, _another_ revolution.)

Has anyone tried this yet? I'd be interested in the results.

>-- 
>Arnie Berger
>arnie@hplsdvt
>Telnet 590-5642

-->  Colin

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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:48:51 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee):
>In article <71189646411440@oxygen> stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein) writes:
>>
>> The best way to check for a loose headset is NOT to 'hold the front
>> brake firmly and rock the bike back and forth'. This can be very
>> misleading (many brakes have enough slack to give a false impression of
>> headset looseness, which may cause one to overly tighten the headset
>> and possibly damage it). 
>
>Not convinced.  I find it immensely trivial to tell the difference
>between the spongy sort of play you get if your brakes have a bit of
>slack (which, of course, may mean THEY want adjusted as well :-) and
>the definitely 'clicky' sort of play you get if your headset is loose.
>Of course, I did have lots of practice with a bike whose headset lock
>nut refused to lock, so that it needed adjusting about every 100 miles.

This winter I was riding my MTB out in the snow with RockShox, and when it was
cold outside there was a small amount of play in the fork (RockShox told me
that it's because of different temperature coef. in the material used in the
fork). First I thought it was my headset that was loose, so I tried to tight
it, but still I got the feeling of a loose headset. I then over-tighten it so
that all play should be gone (I did *not* ride with it!). But still there was
a feeling of a loose headset.

So if you are using a suspension fork in the cold, beware that even if it
feels like the headset is loose (ie. when rocking your bike with the front
brake locked), it might be the fork and not the headset.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schmidt@gmd.de (Klaus P. Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & Td
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:29:39 GMT

Jobst Brandt writes:

>Klaus, you can speak both English and German well enough to do them
>both justice but you should try to coach a monolinguistic American
>to say "Muenchen" or words like "rauch", "uebler Geruch", or the
>Swiss favorite "Chriesie" cherries or "chlies Chuchi Chaestli" small
>cake box or my Swiss friend's name "Ruegg" with an umlaut on the "u".
>Just the concept makes the Swiss laugh from experience.

Not only them. Ok, I see what you mean.
Nevertheless, I hope we will see Grig soon again.
Klaus P. Schmidt

BTW: I just tried to say "chlies Chuchi Chaestli". I do hope, there
was no one from Switzerland around ...
From: stevew@hal.COM (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mavic ceramic-oxide rims?
Summary: do the trick? any problems?
Keywords: money
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:22:17 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wave9.hal.com

I'm about to replace the 3-yr old, battered wheels of my mountain
bike, and am considering going with the Mavic M-231 ceramic rims.
The claim (which I tend to believe) is that these rims greatly
improve braking power, especially in wet conditions.

I would like to hear from people who either actually *own* (or have
owned) Mavic ceramic rims (on- or off-road), or from experienced
shop employees who have sold/replaced/trashed such rims.  Do they
make a worthwhile contribution to braking?  Do they last?  Do they
have any abnormal problems?  And of course, do they wear out brake
pads at an astounding rate?

Not to be rude, but I'm really not interested in 2nd-hand opinions
or pointers to magazine articles.  I've already heard the hearsay
and probably  read the articles.  What I'd like are real,first-hand
testimonials (say Amen!).

As usual, I'll ask that replies be emailed to me if possible rather
than posted willy-nilly.  I'll post a summary in a few days.

Thanks.

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HAL Computer Systems            What the world doesn't need is more
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ogg@physics.carleton.ca
Subject: Re: Canadian Mail Order Catalogue
Organization: Dept. of Physics/CRPP Carleton University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:47:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.163243.12012@sun.pcl.ac.uk>, marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey) writes:
> ANYWAY, I she kindly said that she'd send me BICYCLE GOODIES if I wanted, so
> does anyone here know a good Canadian mail order catalogue I could get her to
> send me? 

Unfortunately, there are no specialist bike mail order companies in Canada that
I know of.  (If I'm wrong, fellow canucks please, please correct me.)  Trouble
is, the country is simply too small (pop. 26M), and we have this mega-economy
(pop. 250M) just south of the border.  Most people just order directly from the
US, and even paying duty + shipping + taxes, it's still usually cheaper than
bike shops.  Which of course makes it harder for bike shops to compete, so
their prices go up, which means it's even cheaper to buy in the US.

I really can't imagine that you'd save much, if anything, sending stuff back to
the UK.  (I'm in Britain fairly frequently, and have got a pretty good idea of
prices there.)  Still, the grass is always greener....

> What are prices like in Canada? Are they as good as in the US?

On the whole, somewhat more than the US.  But you have to compare like with
like.  People say it's a *lot* more than the US, but then they're comparing the
High St. store with Trashbar, or some other bulk mail order company.
There's also a 7% GST (Gouge and Steal Tax) as well as the provincial tax.

Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis)
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:54:57 GMT


Both fork mounts work well.
There is a significant difference in the upright mounts with oversize
tubes.  My Cannondale touring bike does not fit on the Thule.  Even with
smaller (slightly oversize) tubing the Thule does not grip as well as the
Yakima.  The gripper is stiff and does not conform to the tube size.  A
friend's Klein has the paint almost completely rubbed off by the poor fit of
the Thule.  Thule changed the design of the downtube gripper about a year or
two ago.  This comment refers to the new design.  The old design would fit
the larger tubing a little better.  It had flat surfaces instead of round
ones.  I chose a Yakima after these bad experiences with Thules.  I believe
I made the right decision.  I have not had any problems with either the fork
or upright mount of a Yakima.

al.
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:00:25 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 17645@oracle.us.oracle.com, usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.024833.12021@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
>>From the wisdom of the net...
>>     "How to Put Your Bike on a Diet (Shed Weight)"
>>
>>I want to thank everyone for the replies.  There were requests, so I'm
>>posting this summary.  The recommendations are ranked in order of popularity.
>>In addition, I have indicated how many times each one was recommneded by
>>the number in parentheses.
>>
>>(8) Wheels: Kevlar tires, lighter rims.  Also Wheelsmith spokes, latex tubes
>>(5) Seat: Selle Flite Saddle ($70/190 g) or Vetta Lite ($30/240 g)
>>(3) Integrated handlebar: (eg Scott AT4) Replaced handle bar/bar end combo,
>>                          although installing brake levers & shifters can be
>>                          difficult because of the sharp turns in the bar
>>(2) Brakes: lighter cantilevers and levers, Diacompe is popular, such as
>>            SS5/SS7 levers, 986/987 cantilevers
>>(2) Crank
>>(2) Pedals: Sakae LowFats (some considers spindle to wear too fast) or
>>            Deore DX
>>(2) Accessories: Bottle cages, quick releases, tools, pump
>>(1) Fork: Ritchey Logic, Tange Switchblade
>>(1) Frame: Forget the tweaking, start with a light frame
>
>It would be interesting to see how much all of these upgrades would cost, and
>look at how much (or little) weight would be saved.  Anyone have the numbers?
>
>
>Kurt Bittner          >  "Bureaucracy is a process converting energy into
>kbittner@oracle.com   >     solid waste."  - Cort Conley


What's the point?  I'd rather lose 5 pounds myself than spend $1500 scraping a few 
ounces of my bike.  A whole lot easier and cheaper.

---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Painting bikes
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:18:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <3557@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
>Dear Rec.Bicycles:
>
>	Although I have in the past seen much discussion and advice given here
>about painting bikes, it has all been directed at people willing to pay big
>bucks.  I am building me a MTB, and I want to paint it cheaply (i.e., by spray
>can).  I painted my road bike this way, and it looks satisfactory, but it is
>very easy to chip paint.  Can anyone give any advice on the best way to paint
>a bike by spray can?  Main questions include:
I have also asked this question a while back and have got a great file
that should help you completely. Most of the mail I got takes you from start
to finish and tells you just about everything you need to know. If anyone 
else would like a copy send me your address and I send it to you within a day
(best time is in the morning when I'm at my office).
I took all this advice and painted my spare racer a bright yellow and no 
problems so far. Well o.k. if something doesn't get answered to your
liking then post here again.


-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher
From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Date: 27 Jul 1992 15:03:25 GMT
Organization: MD Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Jul26.221456.7044@physiol.su.OZ.AU>, gavind@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Gavin Dixon) writes:
> 
> Good win by Cathy Watts in the individual women's road race. Have the others 
> ever heard of tactics ??? 8-) The three Australians made a lot of the breaks
> in the race...seems like a lot of the other riders were being a bit too 
> cagey and hoping for a bunch sprint. Watch out for Patrick Jonker in the 
> IMRR...
 Does anyone have more complete results from this event?
I would love to see a more detailed listing. (names, times and countries of
the medals, at least, and more if anyone can get it...)
Oh, and also the Team Time Trial results would be great...
Thanks!!!

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All opinions are mine, I tell you, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE 
(unless you want to rent them for a small fee...)
-Cyndi Smith-------------------cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
-M.D. Anderson Cancer Center-----Houston, Texas
-ph: 713/794-4938--------------fax: 713/792-4262
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:09:36 GMT


Ok, so Barry is a little weird.  His ramblings before Sunday's
stage had me scrambling for the mute button.  But keep in mind
that ESPN's coverage of the TDF is 'unprecedented'.  With Greg
possibly fading, there is no guarantee ESPN will cover this event
in the future; at least at this (excuse me) 'unprecedented' level.

I, along with the other bikies I know have really enjoyed watching
and discussing this year's TDF.  Coverage has been excellent.
I think we should all fax or send congrats to ESPN for doing this.
Does anyone have a fax number or other mailing information?

So the next time Barry appears, just hit that fast forward or mute
button.  He is but a minor irritant to some great bike racing.

--Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Water Bottles
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 00:36:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: "Works for me!"

In article <25JUL92155807@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>   I have heard that baking soda in water left overnight in the bottle, cleans
>all the plastic taste out of the bottle, is this true?

	I thought about just mailing "why dont you TRY it??", but
	that wouldn't be very nice.

	I leave *new* bottles filled with water and about a tablespoon
	of bicarb  ("baking soda") at least overnight, and sometimes
	more like two days.  I store mine (dry!) with the tops snapped off.
	after a few weeks unused they smell 'like plastic' again.
	Guess what?  They *are* plastic!    :-)
	
	I plan to try peroxide as a disinfectant, I expect it to
	be excellent, and there's some chance it'll knock down
	the odor as well.

	I've accidentally left them partly full of water long enough
	for crud (algae?) to form, and then I use a few drops of bleach,
	but I find the bleach smell/taste *far* more offensive than the
	'plastic' smell/taste.
From: euahac@eua.ericsson.se (Hakan Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike tours in Sweden or Finland
Keywords: rental, tours, Europe
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:12:25 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:


>Does anyone have information on bicycle tours in Sweden or Finland?

Perhaps I am able to give you some answers to your questions. I am Swedish and
'I Ride Bike'!! Mostly training/racing but I have also done some touring.

'Sverigeleden' (The Sweden Route), that another poster mentioned, is very good.
It goes from north to south and also have some east to west alternatives. All
on small low traffic roads most of them paved. It starts/ends at borders with
good connections (ferry lines). If you want to tour in Sweden I recommend that
you get the book.

If you want to tour both Sweden and Finland I might have a suggestion. A couple
of years ago my (former)girlfriend and I planned what we called the 'Tour of
the Baltic'.
We live in Stockholm and from Stockholm we were going to take the ferry to the
Aaland Islands, the Finnish archipelago, and in Aaland go from island to island
on bridges and small ferries to the Finnish side, Turku(?) archipelago and when
we were on Finnish 'mainland' you follow the coastline to Helsinki. From Helsinki
we planned to take the ferrry to Gotland (east side), ride across the island to
Visby and take the ferry to Vastervik on the Swedish coast. And finally ride our
bikes back to Stockholm.
Some of these ferry lines (if they still exists) were only open during the summer
(June-August).

July is the big vacation month in Sweden, we have FIVE weeks minimum vacation!!.
I think late July early August is the best time for bike touring, but that is only
my opinion. :-)

Please feel free to ask me any more, specific questions.

Ride Bike(in Scandinavia)


Hakan Carlson
ELLEMTEL Telecommunication Systems Laboratories
SWEDEN
MAIL: Hakan.Carlson@eua.ericsson.se
From: ccsdhd@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BOARDMAN - The lo-down
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:12:03 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <1992Jul29.155817.7902@vax.oxford.ac.uk> A Right Charlie writes:
>Boardman has (maybe still does) held (hold) the 5000m world record (in a track
>time trial) of around 5:40 something......*NOT* riding the Lotus Sport.

I think that you will find that this record is now held by the
American Kent Bostik.

>He holds various British Road Time Trial (RTTC) Records, and won the British
>"50" Championship by over 5 minutes on a crap course.

You are being economical with the truth.  He successfully defended
his 50 mile Championship title.  Earlier in the year he succesfully
defended his 25 mile Championship title.  He was very impressive when
I watched him ride on the A38 north of Bristol to win his 1991 25
mile Championship title.  To do a short 49 minute ride and get within
a handful of seconds of what was then competition record was a
phenomenal ride.  I suspect that it will be a long time before anyone
goes quicker than that on that particular course.  He has been
equally impressive on the two occasions I've watched him win the
national hillclimb title.

>Alas, he has no brain. When he set the British "25" record of 47:19 on the
>(infamous) A34 near Oxford, he was limited to a 52-13 gear, as he was using
>straight track cranks which did not allow sufficient lateral clearence for the
>chain. Hence, when he tried to access his 12 sprocket, the crank rubbed on the
>chain. A 46:?? was there to be had, if only he didn't have shit-for-brains!
>
>Best of luck Chris!!! There's gold in them legs
>
>-------
>Charles
>
>ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax

Not quite true.  Chris was using a C-Record track chainset with a
Super Record 53-tooth ring.  Apparently he had changed to a different
pair of pedals.  The pedal axle was clear of the crank on the
inside.  It was the axle, not the crank, that was catching on the
chain.

I'm not sure of the reasoning powers that immediately lead you to
deduce that he has no brain or shit-for-brains.  Obviously the
inhabitants of the City of Dreaming Spires have far superior
faculties than those bestowed upon us who are mere mortals.  Possibly
you could spell out, in words of one syllable, the intermediate steps
that lead you to such conclusions.  Us helot underclasses are always
ready and eager to learn.

On the very few occasions that I and fellow club members have spoken
to Chris Boardman he most certainly hasn't given the impression of
having shit-for-brains.  I suspect that Right Charlie is opening his
mouth merely to place his foot (or more probably his keyboard) in
it.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, United Kingdom
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk     ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!gdr!D.H.Davis