HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Men Not Getting It (was Re: Twice Fucked)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:51:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.160349.4486@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>How can one *not* see that all these oppressions are linked
>together in myriad ways?  How can anyone *not* see that
>these linked oppressions form an interlocking network of
>steel bonds penetrating all facets of our society?  How can
>anyone *not* see that our common "enemy" is this tendency to
>create and maintain power relationships that seek personal
>gain through causing others to lose?  How, really, can
>anyone not "get it?"

Good question.  I'm coming to believe that the people (not
just men) who do get it are ones who have had some direct
experience with institutionalized oppression.  That's
largely true of the people I know personally.  I've been
getting a lot of email recently about Colorado, and in the
supportive mail has been a lot of testifying.  One of the
most striking was from a man whose son was shot (but not
killed) in a gaybashing incident in California.  He's lived
through a particularly frightening example of just where
group hatred can lead.  In my own case, I was sort of
vaguely liberal (anti-war, believed that racism was icky,
etc.) when I was much younger.  Coming from an affluent
family and being white and educated I figured that I was
pretty much safe, and that institutionalized oppression
was simply not my problem.  When my place of employment
did their gay purge, however, it provided the wakeup call
that I needed, and I'd like to think that my awareness
has evolved (and will continue to evolve) since that
time.  It raises all sorts of questions about the nature
of altruism, doesn't it?
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Some sad news from Colorado
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
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Ooops! I wrote: "While I don't need even the first ten digits to 
enumerate them,......

when what I meant was "While I don't need even the first ten digits to
enumerate those I know,...

Colburn Eigen                           H|u> = E|u>
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Evanston Recommendations?
Summary: Evanston, IL Places to go?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
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Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:31:05 GMT

I'm returning to Evanston, IL 24 years after graduating from high
school, for a reunion of my Unitarian youth group.  In addition
to the reunion activities, I'd like to see Evanston's gay
gathering places, if any.  I've been surprised to see Evanston
mentioned as a particularly good place for gay and lesbian people
to live.  When I was there, Mrs. Tooze and the WCTU still reigned.
Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Coffee houses/folk music places?

My partner and I will be taking in art museums as well, and I'd
like to know if there's anything noteworthy besides the Art
Institute and the Chicago Museum of Modern Art (we're already 
planning to go to Art In the Armory -- but where is the Armory?)

Is there still a German Town on North Lincoln Ave.?  If not,
where's the best German food?  

I'm flying east on Thanksgiving day, so I'm hoping for quick
replys.

Thanks!

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Velveeta (was Patrick Stewart & "Space Age")
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:48:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.214841.8685
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <BxvCJ4.DCG@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>Careful dear, some people think that eating velveeta is quite exotic
>and shows affluence, as you can only get it in very selected import
>shops here.

Well, I admit that I've eaten Velveeta (TM) and enjoyed it. There's a
quick and dirty sort of cheese dip you can make with it. (Down in
Texas we call it "chile con queso", which is odd in that there's very
little that's chile about it). 

The base for the gunk is a pound of Velveeta (TM) and a can of chopped
Rotel tomatoes, melted together. I used to think it was pretty tasty.
Last time I tried to eat it, it made me sick.

If you're keeping track, I'm partial to mild brie-type cheeses. One of
my favourite cheeses in the whole world is Cambozola, a double-cream
brie with blue cheese mold infused in it. It has to be young, though -
if Cambo gets old it begins to smell and taste like sweaty socks.

Has anyone had success with Explorateur, an unpasturized triple cream
brie? The stuff I had was rather odd, but I think it was too mature.

I'm not big into cheddar. I do enjoy eating hard cheeses like good
Parmesian plain. Soft port wine cheeses are yummy. In fact, I like
most things except "swiss cheese" and strong cheddar.

>Ok, I _am_ 'some people.' That wonderful Jim Turner sent me a jar of
>the 'spread' version of velveeta, 'Cheez Whiz,' and I think it could be
>a wonderful basis for a salad dressing. The taste is quite exotic to
>me, there is nothing over here that emulates molten PVC to a degree
>that edible.

I like your molten PVC analogy, sounds about right. Frito-Lay
(American junk food company) packages a cheese dip in little cans. You
can heat it up and eat it straight out of the tin, it's quite noxious.

I like Spaghettios, too. Little pasta circles canned with tomato-like
sauce. For best effect it has to sit on the shelf for six months, so
all that keeps the noodles from disintegrating completely are the
chemicals placed in with the foodstuff.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     You can't have the revolution without good typesetting
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colleges
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:59:21 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov23.013334.3785@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jlamb@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Jeff Lamb) writes:
> I was wondering if anybody out there goes or knows about any of the
> following colleges:
> Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
> Evergreen State College, Olympia WA
> Western Washington University, Bellingham WA
> Earlham College, Richmond IN
> 
> I'm transferring from this school because it is too conservative.  Also, if
> anybody has any suggestions on small & liberal schools, I'll take them.

Lewis and Clark is a nice place, but have you considered Reed College, also  
here in Portland?

David.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:12:26 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

I have seen this quote for quite some time now. It has bothered me, but
I figured that I'm too far away to really wast keystrokes on it. But
then, it got coupled with another gem.

>>() >How do the hypothalamuses of bears and twinks compare?
>>() Before we examine that question you first need to
>>() establish that twinks indeed have brains. 
>>()      -- Rob Bernardo

>Lots of people don't like to think, and I like to rattle cages.

Of course. How could I make the mistake.

Telling me time and time again that I and people that I love have no
brain is just rattling my cage, and should I take offense, you can tell
me that I 'don't like to think.'

And then you can turn around and tell us that we are treating you
poorly here.

Excuse me for being wee bit pissed off.

> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand.

Find yourself a Dutch-English dictionary and translate the word
'dooddoener.' Nothing more apt here.

							FJ!!
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Star Trek TNG Spinoff
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:18:02 GMT


Thanks to "Jack B Nimble" to posting these GLAAD/LA reports! I will put them
on the QRD very soon.


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
Anne-Imelda Radice, President Bush's appointee to head the National Endowment
for the Arts, has been described as ``the Lesbian Clarence Thomas''.
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A Fable for FURR
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:14:45 GMT

In article <69738@cup.portal.com>, on 18 Nov 92 00:19:50 PST,
Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) posts the following drivel:
>
>Jerk B. Numbskull slavers:

Not even original. I wonder what he's capable of when he can
manage to get two of his neurons firing synchronously.

>>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>>>Jess Anderson writes:
>>>>Tell us what the B stands for and maybe we can do better.

>>>"Butthead," quite obviously.  ;-{)##]
>>>
>>Actually, to you, Fuzzball, it stands for Bearbuster. (snicker)=Jack=
>
>Only in your wildest masturbatory fantasies, and rest assured
>they have **NO** chance of coming true.
>
Trust ole Fuzzball to get this wrong! You were not being complimented.
In fact, even if you soaked your head in a vat of Nair it would avail
you nought.

                           The Goat and the Wolf

                    dedicated to FURR; courtesy of Aesop

A Wolf chased a Goat, and the Goat jumped up on a high rock to escape.
Then the Wolf lay down at the bottom of the rock, waiting for the Goat
to come down. After three long days and nights of waiting, the Wolf said
in a loud voice: I am hungry; I am going off to get some food! The Goat
heard the Wolf say this, saw him go away into the forest, and jumped
down from the rock. The first thing the Goat then did was to go to a
brook which ran nearby, for he was terribly thirsty. As he was drinking
he saw his reflection in the water and said: What magnificent legs I
have! What a wonderful beard! And such horns! Just let that Wolf come
back again, and I'll show him who is the better man! Just then, with a
shout of laughter, the Wolf ran from the bushes where he had been
hiding, and killed the Goat!

---> It is better to use your head than admire your whiskers!

        =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:07:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov16.163852.19134@spdcc.com>
  <michaelh.721963181@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <17035@umd5.umd.edu>

J. N. Shaumeyer writes:
>Mike Hennahane (michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>> ....  the point of my
>> posting (and melinda's i think) is that i get crabby sometimes reading
>> yet another GDM whiny evangelical hell-fire bears uber alles posting.
>> [...]

>Have you considered that it might be *important* to
>some people, that it is something which they do not
>take lightly?

I don't think he, or many other people, have -- at all.

"Oh, it's *JUST* a beard -- it would grow back!"

But just try getting one of these people to give up something of
*THEIRS* that they identify with, and you get a fight just as
intense.

Imagine trying to talk someone into converting their religion
because YOU think it's a bit silly -- or trying to get someone of
an ethnic minority to undergo plastic surgery and/or skin
treatments to look more Caucasian.  You'd probably get your face
ripped off, and you also probably wouldn't get much damn
sympathy for it from anyone with 3 firing neurons.

 
() [M]y definition of a Teddy Bear:
()   A Grizzly Bear, on good behavior, complete with paws
()   and claws... and not ALWAYS on good behavior....
()      -- Bear Leather
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j. a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.012210.18165@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.230922.8206@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:
>>   Notice how the strongest supporters of boycotting Colorado live outside the
>>state? A boycott is a very easy thing to talk about when it doesn't impact your
>>everyday lives, isn't it?
>
>That's a pretty narrow view.  Your state paved the way for
>other states to enact similar legislation.  Your state just
>voted my rights away.  It matters to me a great deal, and
>it does have an impact on my life.  I urge you to read a
>history of the civil rights movement.
>
>And for those (straight and gay alike) who are not
>participating in a boycott, I think it would be great if
>you all would write or stamp "GAY $$$" on your paper money
>(no, it's not illegal) and write it on your checks if you
>spend money in Colorado.


According to an article that appeared in the Colorado Daily earlier this
semester it is illegal. It is considered defacing currency. The article
talked about an individual who paid his tuition in one dollar bills 
that he had stamped with a slogan. The bank involved stated that they
are required to remove from circulation every note that is stamped
written or otherwise marked. Those involved had no intention of arresting
the guy but they did say it was not legal.

IN BIG LETTERS:::: I do not vouch for the facts in the article nor
do I know personally of such a statute. I am merely conveying information
I encountered. 


>--
>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
>
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:50:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov17.065041.20372
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <mattm-161192144356@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> I am one Queer who doesn't believe that government can force
>> people to change their minds about socially acceptable bigotry.
>
>Bless you, bless you, bless you.
 
Figures.  But you see, this is simply a matter of casting the problem
and solution into as ridiculous a mold as you can find, and then
attacking it.  It's a weak rhetorical ploy.

>> I look back on the civil rights struggle of racial minoritys and find
>> that for all the government regulation regarding non-discrimination
>> there is still plenty to go around. legislation does not cure bigotry.

Does it sound a little strange to hear Owen tell black folks how their
lot is today versus 30-40 years ago?  Owen, who would turn into a lobster
if he stayed out in the sun too long?  No raisin he.  Of course there is
still bigotry and institutionalized racism.  At the same time, the Civil
Rights Acts never pretended that it would get wiped out by fiat, nor
was that their aim.  Specifying race or sexual orientation in an anti-
discrimination law doesn't wipe out bigotry, not is that its primary purpose;
it provides for redress when such bigotry is exercised to the detriment
of the aggrieved.

>> In my opinion bigotry is a function of ignorance, and only balanced
>> education has the potential to deal with that.
>> do you agree?
>Absolutely.

And whatever civil rights minorities have in the US today are a result of
"balanced education"?  What balanced education?  If it weren't for the
activism of the late 50's early 60's and the changes which occurred as
a result, we'd still be practicing de facto Apartheid here in the US.
And in response to this ferment, all three estates of government (the courts,
Congress and the Presidency) were important catalysts to social change.
One might argue that this change was inevitable, but you'd have to argue
awfully hard with good data to convince me.

I have nothing against "balanced education" (if I understand what you
mean by that), and I think that familiarity is a powerful weapon
against ignorance, but it only will go so far, and usually too late.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:24:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <thaaang.721949805@cwis> <1992Nov17.004045.5031@reed.edu>
  <46001@ogicse.ogi.edu>

Mark Morrissey teases shamelessly:
>Nelson, dear, did I ever show you the pictures of me in my nice
>red beard?

Why don't you get them scanned and GIFed, and share them
with ALL of us?  ;-)

>I know, I'm a tease,

Good of you to admit it upfront.  [GRIN!]
 
() How many beers could a bare bear bear,
() If a bare bear could bear beer.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:56:10 GMT

In article <tdober-181192191940@tdo.llnl.gov> tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
writes:

>Gene, did you *really* think that the average male high school student
>knows or cares anything about pleasing his (female) sexual partners? 

All I knew about is what I read in books.  The sex manuals made a big
deal out of the clitoris, so I assumed making a big deal out of it
was how it was done.  Women have since told me that things don't
always work quite that way.
-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:59:01 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

In <17021@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
 >Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to work Steve's
 >phrase 'persons of flamboyance' [which appeared in a
 >different context] into the conversation, but I'd hate 
 >to see it just disappear.

I'm glad you did, because I didn't spot it.  But you could
make it "persons of outrageous flamboyance" and acronymize it.

Well, you could, couldn't you?



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Intrinsically dissolute, contrary to natural law
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:22:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

The Catholic Church announced a new cathecism the other
day, the first in over 400 years (now *there's* a long
product cycle).  Several here have already remarked that
it says that most homosexuals are born that way and that
"unjust discrimination" should be avoided.

The part that really caught my eye, though, is the remark
that homosexual acts are described as "intrinsically
dissolute, contrary to natural law."  It has a certain
je-ne-sais-quoi, I find, and it would look good on a
"Recovering Catholic" t-shirt.  Not as catchy as "Queer!",
however.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>   IDCTNL
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.071134.8129@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Here's a question for you - why do smoked gouda and granny smith
>apples go together so well?

Because you're tasteful and civilised.

>But swiss cheese and coffee? Tell me you're kidding!

Ah.  You're partially tasteful and semi-civilised, but I still like you.

>Feh! I eat butter and cheese a lot. Life's too short for margerine!

Absolutely.  Receive much kudos and three years off your life.

>But you're right - I bet it undoes any health benefits I gain from
>being vegetarian.

Never mind.

>In article <46046@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>This seems like a good time to propose that the cheese and wine
>>lovers on soc.motss come to Oregon for Valentines Day and commune at
>>the coast where we can watch the breakers under grey skies, walk
>>solitary beaches, and visit cheese factories and wine shops as well
>>as a microbrewery or two.

Waaaaaah! it's all right for you folk, you're on the same continent.
I shall just have to share a solitary cheese snack with my darling and
think of you all.

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
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