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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:05:02 -0700
From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric (fwd)

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992, Jeff Courtright wrote:

> Second, for Richard Freeman--I'm not familiar with Garfinkel's writing on
> indexicality.  I'd like to know where to turn, but since I won't have time
> this week to go searching anyway, could you give the network some context
> for your questions regarding indexicality, reflexivity, and accountability
> as YOU think they fit into a discussion of rhetoric's definition?

Hello Jeff,

I'm referring to H. Garfinkel's _Studies in Ethnomethodology_.  As I
understand H.G., he argues that when we, in everyday life,
communicate...for instance, when we receive messages, we make meaning out
of them..that is, we interpret them...using our knowledge of what similar
gestures have meant in the past, as well as postponing our interpretations
until we receive messages in the near future (from the same source).
Thus, our memories (vague and foggy as they may be) and associations from
the past serve as indicators of the current message.  These past messages,
these associations, are founded upon agreements as to what their
constitutive word groups and other gestures indicate(d);  those past
messages are founded upon agreements as to what their constitutive word
groups meant, ad nauseaum.  Thus, when we communicate, we implicitly refer
to layers of agreement on what our gestures mean.  Accountability is
similar.  As competent members of the community (i.e., people who can
participate in a community's--excuse the vague term--everyday life) engage
in social activities, observers and participants are able to make meaning
of earlier (and, eventually, later) social activities by these
actors...and by other, similar actors within the community.  These social
activities account for (and explain) everyday life...everyday activities.

Am I explaining this well?

So, my questions about rhetoric have to do with how you feel these
agreements on meaning affect the message.  This effectivity must be
especially strange and varied when we consider mass media, for example
national "news," which affects so many people...some in somewhat diverse
everyday communities...with the same delivery.  It seems to me that, in
the political theatre...the difficulties in establishing a concrete,
positivist indexicality...the ability to make a vague message appeal to
different people in different ways...manipulation and persuasion (in a
work, propaganda) presents some interesting questions.

I'm new to all this, so these questions, which may seem "rhetorical" to
you, are really questions.  That is, they're not rhetorical questions
(though they are about rhetoric).

Sincerely,

Rick Freeman
Missoula, MT
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:57:49 -0700
From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Looking for Ph.D. program

Rhetoric hotline recipients,

I'm looking to enter a doctoral program in communications, and I would
like to know if any of you administer programs in which I can participate.

Briefly, my situation is as such:

I'm interested in studying the role of communication between non-profit
organizations and government, business, and other non-profits in the
process of community and regional planning (especially development
planning).  I'm interested in the physical and textual means of
communication, though I lean towards my interest in text.

My intellectual interests are in the social production of communication,
per se, or in the political economy of messages.  I am not a number
cruncher, but I am not adverse to learning statistical methodologies.  (I
have some background.)  On the other hand, I am not comfortable with the
process H. Marcuse called "desublimation."  I am not interested in using
operational definitions and statistics to bury truth and alternative
social relations.

I have a Master's degree in Science, Environmental Studies and a
Bachelor's degree in Arts, History.  I graduated from both programs with
high GPAs, got good GRE scores, and have years of experience teaching and
tutoring composition and technical writing (at the college level).

I need to earn a living while I go to school...preferably teaching.  (I am
a single parent;  my son has been demanding food and clothing as of late.)

I have experience working with non-profits (marketing, planning,
organizing), and I am currently involved in several activities having to
do with "sustainable development" (a remarkably vague phrase).

If you are involved with a program in which I might fit, please contact me
via my Internet address.  I appreciate the time and effort.

Sincerely,

Rick Freeman
Northern Rim Project
Missoula, MT   59806
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:20:40 EST
From:         Jeff Courtright <JCOURT@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Definition of Rhetoric (fwd)
              15 Dec 1992 13:11:29 -0600 from <hannen@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>

Harold--

I like the direction you're taking the rhetorical definition discussion.
Just a few points of clarification from where I sit.

When I use the term "attention," it doesn't necessarily mean attention
to the message.  After all, McLuhan muddied the waters for us there.
It seems to me your example of the spokesperson appearing but saying very
little is a perfect example.  Attention is drawn to the pseudo-event,
rather than the content.  Edelman (or is it Boulding) refers to such rhetoric
as "quiescent" messages.
As I teach public relations, you can understand, then, that I find messages
imply multiple public_s_; those who attend to content in your example would
be frustrated; others who focus on the symbol of the speaker's presence may
be mollified.

Jeff Courtright (JCOURT @ MIAMIU)
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:31:14 -0700
From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992, Jeff Courtright wrote:

> Second, for Richard Freeman--I'm not familiar with Garfinkel's writing on
> indexicality.  I'd like to know where to turn, but since I won't have time
> this week to go searching anyway, could you give the network some context
> for your questions regarding indexicality, reflexivity, and accountability
> as YOU think they fit into a discussion of rhetoric's definition?

Hello Jeff,

I'm referring to H. Garfinkel's _Studies in Ethnomethodology_.  As I
understand H.G., he argues that when we, in everyday life,
communicate...for instance, when we receive messages, we make meaning out
of them..that is, we interpret them...using our knowledge of what similar
gestures have meant in the past, as well as postponing our interpretations
until we receive messages in the near future (from the same source).
Thus, our memories (vague and foggy as they may be) and associations from
the past serve as indicators of the current message.  These past messages,
these associations, are founded upon agreements as to what their
constitutive word groups and other gestures indicate(d);  those past
messages are founded upon agreements as to what their constitutive word
groups meant, ad nauseaum.  Thus, when we communicate, we implicitly refer
to layers of agreement on what our gestures mean.  Accountability is
similar.  As competent members of the community (i.e., people who can
participate in a community's--excuse the vague term--everyday life) engage
in social activities, observers and participants are able to make meaning
of earlier (and, eventually, later) social activities by these
actors...and by other, similar actors within the community.  These social
activities account for (and explain) everyday life...everyday activities.

Am I explaining this well?

So, my questions about rhetoric have to do with how you feel these
agreements on meaning affect the message.  This effectivity must be
especially strange and varied when we consider mass media, for example
national "news," which affects so many people...some in somewhat diverse
everyday communities...with the same delivery.  It seems to me that, in
the political theatre...the difficulties in establishing a concrete,
positivist indexicality...the ability to make a vague message appeal to
different people in different ways...manipulation and persuasion (in a
work, propaganda) presents some interesting questions.

I'm new to all this, so these questions, which may seem "rhetorical" to
you, are really questions.  That is, they're not rhetorical questions
(though they are about rhetoric).

Sincerely,

Rick Freeman
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:03:37 PST
From:         orton@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:      Re: various meanings of "rhetoric
              Dec 15, 92 12:52 pm

>
From Harold Annen:
> >
> Two Coments:
>
> 1) It seems to me that not all persuasion requires the attention of the
> audience.  Example:  There is some kind of economic disaster brewing, a
> series of S&L's collapsing, perhaps.  An official of the government comes
> on TV and discusses the matter in vague and non-commital language.  The
> audience is comforted, not because of the message per se, but because the
> very presence of the government official -- even if they don't say
> anything important -- is persuasive that things are under control.
> Subliminal persuasion anyone?
>
Dear Mr. Annen,

When you go from rhetoricians to social psychologists to communication
scholars to cognitive psychologists, etc., the term "attention" will have
different meanings.  For one discipline it may simply be indicated by
an orienting response, for another it may imply conscious attending to
both form and content of message, for yet another it may exclude
subliminal awareness.

There is a large body of literature on attention in communication
research.

Explicating your meaning of ^attention" would be the place to start.

Peter Orton
Dep't of Communication
Stanford University


>
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Subject: Re: various meanings of "rhetoric
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Harold Annen wrote:

> 1) It seems to me that not all persuasion requires the attention of the
> audience.  Example:  There is some kind of economic disaster brewing, a
> series of S&L's collapsing, perhaps.  An official of the government comes
> on TV and discusses the matter in vague and non-commital language.  The
> audience is comforted, not because of the message per se, but because the
> very presence of the government official -- even if they don't say
> anything important -- is persuasive that things are under control.
> Subliminal persuasion anyone?

I agree with this viewpoint.  I hate to refer to pop sociology, but I
think M. McLuhan's concept of the medium as the message informs rhetoric
and message presentation...especially in the case of television and "news."

I also like the use of activity rather than behavior and action.  Choice
is a testy concept.  I think it ranges from articulate to diffuse...and
beyond.  It is an...indexical concept.  That is, all sorts of funny
assumptions and habits lurk behind our use of the concept, as well as
behind the process of decision-making, as we all know.

I think the "discourse community" could benefit (at least I could) by
further examining this concept...choice....and its relationship to rhetoric.

Rick Freeman
Missoula, MT
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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From:         PaussaVC@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Packing a Database (Clipper 5.01 questi

>> Question:  How can I pack a subset of deleted records???
Create a flag for the records you don't want to pack. Undelete those records.
Pack the database and redelete the records.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:42:00 GMT
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From:         "Anthony K. Lima" <0003081833@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: SIGN ON SCREEN IN DBASE IV ver 1.5

The manual is incorrect.  In dBASE IV 1.5, the only copyright screen displayed
is the "abbreviated" version.  In earlier versions of the software, there
was an elaborate graphical splash screen that could be bypassed with the /t
switch.  /t no longer does much of anything. -- Tony Lima
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Detection of NULL numeric field
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:34:40 GMT

In <1992Dec14.082525.15210@fel.tno.nl> wlmg1@fel.tno.nl (W.L.M.Touw) writes:

>viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>	Good point.  I had a strange problem in FoxPro 2.0 the other day
>>while trying to use this snippet of code.  I finally resorted to this:
>>	if len(ltrim(rtrim(str(mtemp))))=0

>How about an alltrim() ?

	Actually, that's what I use.  Since this is bit.listserv.dbase-l
I try to keep any code snippets I post in the dBase 3+ language for
clarity and maximum usability by others on the list.  I believe alltrim()
is a Foxpro-specific function, but equivalent to ltrim(rtrim()).

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:55:21 CST
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From:         JOHNSON@TWSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      boxes around labels

I want to create a label file with a box around my labels.  The USING
dBASE IV manual tells me on page 12-9 that I can add lines and boxes
to my labels but the line and box options are not available in the layout
menu when creating a label file.  Any ideas on how I can put a box around
labels would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Brenda F. Johnson
johnson@twsuvm.bitnet
johnson@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu
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From: bjs9077@usl.edu (Smith Brad J)
Subject: Re: Packing a Database (Clipper 5.01 question)
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:43:35 GMT

In article <9212172241.AA00396@JayRell.CC.MsState.Edu> John G Jay Burrell <jgb1@CC.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:
>>
>> Question:  How can I pack a subset of deleted records???
>>
>How 'bout:
>        Copy to <new.dbf> for !( date>=CtoD('01/01/92') .AND. ;
>                                 date<=CtoD('01/31/92')
>                               )
>        Erase <old.dbf>
>        Rename <new.dbf> to <old.dbf>
>

Would this work in a multi-user enviroment???     

	Just Curious.

Is there a more efficient way of doing this??

	If this were a very large file, disk space may become a problem.

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From:         Saad Ahmad <PA4@BART.MIO.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clipper Maximums

> Can anyone out there in netland tell me:
>
>   What, in Clipper 5.01 are the maximum:
> FIELDS per RECORD
> RECORDS per DATABASE
>
> I have scoured the books with no answer.
>
>                                 Rich Gautier
>
Fields / Record            ==== 1000
Records / Database         ==== 1 billion

Open database files        ==== over 200
active indexes / open file ==== 15
character fields           ==== 65,536 characters
numeric fields             ==== 30 digits, upto 16 significant digits
date fields                ==== 01/01/0100-12/31/2999
memo fields                ==== 65,536

-- application limits
no. of procedures / application == unlimited
array size                      == 4096 elements / dimention;
                                        unlimited dimentions
minimum RAM                     == free 400K
Expanded Memory use             == 0 to 8Meg

Virtual Memory                  == Upto 64 Meg(main memory, expanded
memory, hard disk space), upto 16 meg of object memory(character
strings, arrays); upto 9 meg (main memory, expanded memory) for
database buffering

Needs DOS 3.1 or higher, works with all networks compatible with DOS
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From:         "Anthony K. Lima" <0003081833@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: Using popup menus for record selection

Show us your code and tell us what flavor of xBASE you're using.
-- Tony Lima
From: bjs9077@usl.edu (Smith Brad J)
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Subject: Packing a Database (Clipper 5.01 question)
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:08:31 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana


I have a question concerning Clipper 5.01.

Question:  How can I pack a subset of deleted records???

	   EXAMPLE: I need to pack a group of deleted records within a  
		    range of dates.

	   The command I wish clipper offered is:
		PACK FOR date>=CtoD('01/01/92') .AND. Date<=CtoD('01/31/92')

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.............

				Thanks in advance,
				Brad
				bjs90772usl.edu
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Subject: dBase IV 1.5 for Sale ...
From: lsim@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:55:32 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu


   I have an extra copy of dBase IV 1.5 that I need to get rid.  It comes with
all manuals/disks/registration card.  I am asking for $ 80.00 including
shipping via UPS Ground.  Thanks ....

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From:         Rich=Gautier%SETA%DRC@S1.DRC.COM
Subject:      Clipper Maximums

Can anyone out there in netland tell me:

  What, in Clipper 5.01 are the maximum:
FIELDS per RECORD
RECORDS per DATABASE

I have scoured the books with no answer.

                                Rich Gautier
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From:         Steve Gillard <gillard@MAILBOX.MAIL.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Using popup menus for record selection

I am having a problem selecting a given record using a popup menu.  I am
trying to select an employee's name within the popup and then do a search
in another file using social security number as the key field.  The
result of the search should bring up related data for processing.

The problem is that the popup doesn't seem to be able to grab my
selection so records for that same individual (in a different
database file) can be processed.

Could someone describe how this can be done?
From: STUP092@SAUPM00.BITNET (Zaki)
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Subject: Clipper 5.01 manual for sale
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:40:06 GMT
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Hi,
I have extra manual for Clipper 5.01 for sale. It costs 50$ .
please send m
Zaki,m.

stup092@saupm00

KFUPM
Post Box 6850
DHARAN
SAUDI  ARABIA
From: STUP092@SAUPM00.BITNET (Zaki)
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Subject: Reading the volume of the hard disk
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:29:43 GMT
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Hi,
I want to read  the volume of the hard disk using FoxPro 2.0.
Please anyone knows tell me.

Zaki.
stup092@saupm00
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From:         PaussaVC@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Extracting Memo fields

>>     Extracting Memo fields  FOR MAIL MERGE
>> create a database with the interest code and the text for the leter for
>> that interest code to be held in a memo field in this database.

>> Does anybody have a suggestion on how to extract the contents of a memo
>> fieldto a text file for subsequent processing into a mail merge.  This is
>> the firsttime I've tried something like this, and I've hit a brick wall.
>> So I'm hoping the collective net consciousness might have a solution.

>> Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering

Change your lookup database from CODE, MEMO to CODE, FILENAME

Create the text associated with a code as a wordperfect document.  Store the
name of the document in the FILENAME field.  Tell Wordperfect to chain
printing to the file selected (rather than insert) or use a macro to import
the text reading from the variable.

Alternatively, don't use a memo field, instead use a large text field so that
wordperfect can read directly from the dbase file.

                        -or-

Create a wordperfect macro that reads a comtrol file and assembles the
document for you.  Control file example:

Person info, text code, text code, text code . . .
Person info, text code, text code, text code . . .
.
.
.

WP Macro:  Format Person info; Loop: get filename from text code
                                     if end found endloop
finish up formatting
restart with person info.
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