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From: frank@algol.bsa.de (Frank Huemme)
Subject: hand position
Organization: BSA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 08:01:45 GMT
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Hello,
thats not my first article in this newsgroup, but the first one you will
seen (so i hope, our newsrfeed hasn't forwarded our articles in the last 4 
weeks :-(  ).
Since i baught the RhinoProPurple i have a lot of trouble to pick up the 
10 Pin. Is it better to buy a cheap, hard plastic ball or, and now its hard to
explain in an foreign language, to hold the hand straight ??. I mean that the
finger position is in the way you get no hook.

	Frank
-- 
Frank Huemme	email: frank@algol.bsa.de
BSA - Bizerba Software und Automationssysteme       4630 Bochum,Geisental 12
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: carl@wrs.com (Carl Chesbrough)
Subject: Re: FREE RHINOPRO BOWLING BALLS!
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:11:00 GMT

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:



>Ha ha I LIED!  ;-)

>I just couldn't post all day and had to get it out of my system..


>never mind...

>gawd you guys have no sense of humor at all...

Yes we do... We let you on the FBL =B-}


>sheesh..



>*************************************************************
>Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
>The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
>Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
>PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
>*************************************************************
>All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
>*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: hand position
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78AB60C8C052631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:34:04 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:37:18 GMT

In article <93.026.090146@algol.bsa.de> Frank Huemme, frank@algol.bsa.de writes:
>Hello,
>thats not my first article in this newsgroup, but the first one you will
>seen (so i hope, our newsrfeed hasn't forwarded our articles in the last 4 
>weeks :-(  ).

welcome to a.s.b. Frank!

>Since i baught the RhinoProPurple i have a lot of trouble to pick up the 
>10 Pin. Is it better to buy a cheap, hard plastic ball or, and now its hard to
>explain in an foreign language, to hold the hand straight ??. I mean that the
>finger position is in the way you get no hook.
>

You will find that if the outside line is very dry, you will have problems
picking up the ten pin (for righties, and of course, 7 pin for lefties). This
is especially true with reactive resin bowling balls that tend to react
very violently on dry backends...

I either do one of two things...

1.  I will stand far left (for the 10 pin), holding the ball in a 12 o'clock
position, and throw over the 12 board ( 2 boards left of the second arrow)
with ALOT of speed. ....or....if my shoulder is just about gone..

2.  I'll use a harder ball using just about the same reference points mentioned
above.  Remember maintaining ball speed for outside shots is absolutely
imperative, if you don't keep a constant speed on the ball, you cannot
adjust properly.  Don't mistake ball speed for combat bowling though.  Keep
the speed up on the ball, without losing control of your bodily functions.
=8-0 .

Good luck...



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Showboat Invitational Results
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:32:49 GMT
 <C1Fqxp.1y0@csi.compuserve.com> <1k23aj$e58@agate.berkeley.edu>
 <C1G93t.6C0@csi.compuserve.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <C1G93t.6C0@csi.compuserve.com>, dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
says:
>
>In article <1k23aj$e58@agate.berkeley.edu> mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark        )
>Fujimoto
>writes:
>>
>
>What I'd really like though, is if someone would televise that Kool Shootout
>that happened last week. If it weren't for Compuserve, I'd have never
>heard about it.

I ain't on Compuserve; I didn't hear about it.  What Kool Shootout?

>>Maybe I missed it, but does anyone know what happens if the eventual
>>champion is also the current KotH?  What are they gonna do with those
>>extra 17 minutes? ;)
>>
>
>I dunno, I was thinking about that too...I hope they have something figured
>out.

Eeeeewwwww!  That would be too many Bo's Tips of the Week for one sitting.
From: GAB118@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: CRUSH
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:50:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

MY QUESTION IS I WANT TO BUY A NEW BALL BUT I DO NOT WANT WANT A CHEATER
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT ONE CHEATER IS ALMOST THE SAME AS ANOHTER.  WHAT
I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW GOOD OF THE BALL IS THE CRUSH OR IS IT JUST ANOHER
MARKETING SCHEME.  IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT TO BUY BESIDES A RESIN
BALL LET ME KNOW.
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Need some help here I think...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:09:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Michael G Thompson asks:
 
>I think I need some help here, because I am completely lost.
>Lately, the local lanes seem to be putting less and less and less
>oil on the lanes, especially outside of 10.  And because I, on a
>night that I can get out of the ball right, put so many revs
>on the ball (15-20 I would say on average), my balls are
>hooking right off the alley.
 
What you describe is tough to figure out.  When its dry outside, I
try to find some oil.  You have a big advantage going for you, you
crank it up (15-20revs).  You should be able to move inside around
12 or further in.  When you move in hopefully you will find some oil.
If you find oil, you must use a ball which will skid thru the heads, hold
in the body of the lane, and hook on the back end.  Depending on where
the oil is, you may use any of the equipment you have.  Usually on this
type of condition, you don't want to send it out to soon.  Dont' send it to
the 5 board before 35 feet.  Beacuse of the dry outside, the ball will 
scream back.
 
If you can't find oil inside, then it's time to lick your wounds and play
the grind game. Find a piece of equipment that won't overact and move deep
inside.  You may have to kill some of your revs to keep the ball in play.
You have plenty of revs, so killing it some won't hurt as much.  Remember
to sacrifice some strikes to keep the ball in play.  But with the fewer
strikes, make sure to make your spares and keep count.  It ain't pretty,
but it may be the only game in town.
 
GOOD LUCK!!!!

Jerry
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Purple Rhino
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:23:14 GMT



	 My wife and I got our Purple Rhinos tuesday and got to throw

     them for the first time last night. Great ball but as poorly as I'm

     bowling nothing seems to work. It seems as if no matter what ball

     I use I'm either too high or I've lost power going into the

     pocket. When I swing it where it must be to get a good angle, I

     find myself in the ...gutter. I think my problem is that even

     when I'm practicing I'm score watching which inhibits you from

     truly experimenting. My wife *loves* the ball. It is perfect for her

     game.

	  Last night I had four balls with me and couldn't score with

     any of them. I'm just in a terrible slump. Maybe I'm looking

     forward to golf season, or is that heresy in this newsgroup.  :-)

	   Actually, I think the lanes were a little too oily for the Rhino

     last night. Either that or I had it drilled wrong. After reading

     about drilling patterns in this newsgroup I thought I knew a little

     something. ( A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  :-)) I had him

     drill it to go long for dry conditions but maybe it goes to long before

     hooking. I found it perfect for spares on the right side.

	  Anyway, I think I have all the balls I'll need for awhile. I just

     need to work on my game.




     P.S. Thanks again Aki.


			   Carlyle




			   **
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jurrie@jurrie.uithoorn.ibm.com (jurrie lulofs)
Subject: BuzzSaw
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:34:26 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: jurrie@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

I was fortunate enough to be the first one in the world to
get Richie Sposato's new BuzzSaw last month.  Richie currently
lives in Lelystad, the Netherlands, where he has Pro Shop.

Has anyone in the U.S. seen this ball yet?  The ball was
designed by Richie Sposato.  It has a diamond shaped weight
block.  The ball is marketed by his own company called "Lane #1",
based outside of Syracuse, NY.

I've been very pleased with it.  I got mine with a dull finish (slight
finger weight, 3/4 side weight) but found it a bit tough to control as
it started hooking too early.  Since then I've been polishing it (there
aren't too many Lustre Kings here :-( ) and the result has been
amazing.  

My primary leagues are on fairly dry lanes.  I still have some trouble 
during the later games (I bowl in back-to-back 3- and 5- man leagues)
if the ball hasn't been polished recently, but otherwise I put her down
around the 10th board let her go out to the 3rd board and watch her
come back at the end of the lane to (usually) blow the pins away.

This past weekend I bowled in the Dutch national league on fairly slick
conditions.  I put her down on the 5th board, out to the 2nd and had
a great time.  Over the first 5 games I had 30 strikes (not too bad for
a 180 bowler), while most others weren't making out too well.

In short, I'd recommend this ball highly... just be sure to get the
polished finish.  Richie is in the U.S. 'til the end of January...
presumably during some promotional work.  When he gets back
he gets to plug & drill my Black Hammer and Blue Turbo.

jurrie - Uithoorn, the Netherlands
From: xtap@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tony Peacock)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Comments welcome...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:56:15 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <93027.40855.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>To make a short (NOT!) story boring...
>Last Sunday, a meeting was called for officers & capitans for my league.
>(Making us miss shadow balls! :-((( )  & the contretemps were...
>Team A: going to the Showboat Invitational (they always shoot +700 against us)
>Team B: just some local yokels (who usually get +150 pins handicap)
>
>Team A schedules with team B to meet on *the next, next* Sunday to make up the
>games that they'll miss.  They show up, & no one's there, & our rules say they
>can't bowl unopposed, so they wait until our 5pm league & file a protest.
>Team B showed up on the normal league Sunday, & bowled.  They claim that they
>didn't agree to bowl at a different time..."We can't shoot 6 games in one day!"


How come a SPECIFIC DATE was not mentioned.  If today was Sunday and
somebody asked me what I was doing next sunday, I would take if for the
next Sunday seven days from now.  If asked the same question on Monday,
it would be the Sunday 13 days from now.  Just me and my $2.00 worth!

>Our league isn't bowling next Sunday due to some stupid game on tv, but the 2
>teams seem to have a conflict on getting together, because of scheduling.
>What would you do?
 
I would make them both split the series 50/50!

>Issues at hand:  Should team B's games be nullified?  Should team A take a
>forfeit?  If they can't get together within the specified time period, should
>both teams forfeit?  Should I join another league? (I'm VP & Team captain in
>this one)

>Pamela

Tony,....
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: carl@wrs.com (Carl Chesbrough)
Subject: Showboat Pro-Am.
Summary: Missed cashing by 35 pins, got new ball
Keywords: PRO-AM
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:17:16 GMT

I am just getting back from bowling in the Pro-Am at the Showboat.  I
bowled with Dennis Jacques, and two others that I have not heard of.
Our pros bowled 279-155(200)-226=705.  I had a 714 with Handicap and
missed cashing by 35 pins.  The lane next to us got 279-279-264=812!
I would have cashed if I was there.  It was to our right, our pro that
shot 155 (not it was not AKI) in his second game shot the 264 his third.

On a better note, I had the CRUSH/R drilled before my Tuesday league, and
by the third game I figured a line with the ball and shot a 213.  I then
bowled Thursday with it in a "mini hi-roller" and made it to the final
four before finally losing to the guy who won.  I got $90 for my $30
entry fee, and for my first 5 games had a low of 194, and a 5 game set
of 1045.

Getting back to my weekend in Las Vegas, I did manage to bring home an
extra $450 ($100 from the Showboat and $350 from the Imperial Palace).
This was one of the few times that I did not lose before I started winning.
And I even brought it home!

The Pro-Am was great and I am thinking of bowling in the Seniors Pro-Am
in July.

-Carl C. Chesbrough
Wind River Systems
FBL Team 4 Captain
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: 3rd round, 24 game pinfall totals
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:07:29 PST

  1. Mike Aulby-5662.  2. Parker Bohn III-5514.  3. Justin Hromek-5479.
4. Hugh Miller-5454.  5. Johnny Petraglia-5375.  6. Tony Figuiera
7. Jimmy Keeth.  8. Brad Snell & Ricky Ward.  10. Bryan Goebel.
11. David Ozio.  12. John Mazza.  13. Jess Stayrook.  14. Bob Davidson.
15. Alan Bishop.  16. Jason Couch.  17. Kirk Von Krueger.  18. Randy Pedersen.
19. Joe Firpo.  20. Ken Muscato.  21. Walter Ray Williams Jr.
22. Robert Lawrence.  23. Mike Miller.  24. Bob Spaulding.  25. Marc McDowell.
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: How's this for double wood?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:37:22 -0500
Organization: Lost In Space

Ok, everyone knows about the 2-8, the 3-9, and the ever-popular 1-5
double wood leaves.  Well, last night I invented another one: the 4-7.

I don't really know what happened.  I think the shot sailed high and I
was heading for a split, but the 6 and 10 fell and the 4 slid sideways
and came to rest in front of the 7.  The pinsetter left it there, so I
had to shoot a double wood 4-7.  Luckily, I made the spare.

I've left some funky combinations before but that 4-7 takes the cake.

-- 
Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

a.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9.
From: mgtst2+@pitt.edu (Michael G Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Need some help here I think...
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:45:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: mgtst2@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu


I think I need some help here, because I am completely lost.
Lately, the local lanes seem to be putting less and less and less
oil on the lanes, especially outside of 10.  And because I, on a
night that I can get out of the ball right, put so many revs
on the ball (15-20 I would say on average), my balls are
hooking right off the alley.

Now, I have a Rhino Pro (purple), Columbia ProHook, Columbia U2, and
a Rhino pearlized ball.  All of them are drilled relatively "straight-
up".  I haven't been able to keep the RP and ProHook near the pocket, as
well as the U2 on occasion.  The pearlized ball starts to hook 3 feet
past the arrow sometimes and rolls out by the time it gets to the pins.

I have tried throwing the RP in the good old Lustre King, and it seems
to be holding a little better, but it gets tacky again within a game
or so.  Right now, with all the balls, I am standing (right most part
of my right foot) about 7-9 boards left of center (causing me to
occasionally run into the ball return), throwing the ball around the
12-15 board, swinging it to about 5, and then bringing it back.
This line has been so inconsistent: it will often break too late leaving
a 2-10, 2-8-10 and other nice things, or bust up right threw the nose...
if I pull the ball or change speeds ever so slightly. 

Any suggestions would be appreciated (and no, I don't have the money
to buy another ball)

mike
-- 
* Mike Thompson            * "Their money tips her scales again *
* University of Pittsburgh *  Make your deal                    *
* Computer Science         *  Just what is truth? I cannot tell *
* MGTST2@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU  *  Cannot feel"   ---Metallica       *
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Showboat Pro-Am.
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78D5640CF092631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:22:08 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:28:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.140602.14760@worldbank.org> aki,
aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org writes:


>telling the customer that if they ball a reactive resin ball, they are

--------------------------------^

>prone to damage from the ball returns, etc and that should be
>considered prior to purchasing such a ball?  .........



ball = "buy"...

sheesh... know where MY mind is this morning....

I'm so embarrassed...



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Hard Balls ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:57:25 GMT

In article 7AA@ra.nrl.navy.mil,  longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Garth Longdon) writes:
>In article 12428@worldbank.org, aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> () writes:      
>>Well boys and girls, I ordered a couple of those SPORTS TEC
>>blue pearl urethane balls for $28.50 each.  Lucky for me
>>I didn't order either one for me!
>>
>>The ball actually looks pretty nice, it looks strangely
>>like a blue pearl Hammer with different markings...hmmm...
>>
>>Anyway...if ANY of you EVER decide to buy one, put as much
>>POSITIVE SIDE WEIGHT AS YOU CAN on that sucker...cause
>>that ball goes STRAIGHT!  Whooooo  weee does it go straight!
>>Just like an arrow!
>>
>>A friend of mine who just about rips the cover off a ball
>>with no less than 10-15 revs on a ball, couldn't get that
>>ball to break more than 3 (thats right T-H-R-E-E) boards!
>>
>
>Stop it, you're making me drool...
>
>I got a pink Hammer a little while ago to use as a dry lanes ball (no side/finger/
>thumb weight at all), and it hooks like crazy on the end.  I was going to try drilling
>all of the top weight out of it the next time I go home, but maybe I'll just get one of
>these Sports Tec rocks instead...Hmmmmm.
>
>Garth
>

Hey, Garth ... I thought you already HAD the driest/hardest ball known
to man ...


Bob - OK, so where can *I* get one for Centreville's lanes?   :-)

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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: ROCK BALL!  WHOOWIE!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7899685B4022631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:07:17 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:10:36 GMT



Well boys and girls, I ordered a couple of those SPORTS TEC
blue pearl urethane balls for $28.50 each.  Lucky for me
I didn't order either one for me!

The ball actually looks pretty nice, it looks strangely
like a blue pearl Hammer with different markings...hmmm...


Anyway...if ANY of you EVER decide to buy one, put as much
POSITIVE SIDE WEIGHT AS YOU CAN on that sucker...cause
that ball goes STRAIGHT!  Whooooo  weee does it go straight!
Just like an arrow!

A friend of mine who just about rips the cover off a ball
with no less than 10-15 revs on a ball, couldn't get that
ball to break more than 3 (thats right T-H-R-E-E) boards!

You should of seen the look of total disbelief on his face!
I Just about hurled, I laughed so hard.....

hee hee hee hee.....

It was a true kodak moment....



ok,  I'll go away now....



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: tfalk@decoy.uucp (25442-falk)
Subject: Don't ya just hate it when that happens...
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:29:48 GMT


Word of warning, team captains beware....

Ok, so I finally get locked in for the first time in three years, then
choke in the third game and shoot 220, 254, 149 (163 avg coming in). 
First time I ever had eight in a row, had second high handicap set, etc.

This week we find out that neither team captain (I'm one of the involved,
stupid *ss) never turned in the score sheet.  ABC rules say either we
have to rebowl or the league board of directors can overrule.

Needless to say, they overruled and we end up getting blinds for the night,
but keep the 7 points we one.  Otherwise, last night's bumper night could/
would have gotten screwed up and impacted somewhere between 2-8 teams.
The kicker is our team remembers each game we bowled, but the other
team doesn't.  Since they can't remember, everybody gets blinds.

Damn, the last time I bowled 259, I found out that night the league
wasn't sanctioned, I didn't get my 100 over patch, and really blew the
next two games.

Hmmm, do I see a (rotten) pattern here???????  

Team captains, MAKE SURE THE SHEETS GET TURNED IN!!!!!

Ted, seriously depressed......
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The first rule of diving:    Take only pictures, leave only bubbles.

Ted Falk, aka "Land Shark"   (candygram.....),    Bellcore, Piscataway NJ.     

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