Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Observations
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:31:11 CST
 <1992Aug19.210947.26366@spdc.ti.com> <opka2nc@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1992Aug20.145143.4535@spdc.ti.com>
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Aug20.145143.4535@spdc.ti.com>, serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
> In article <opka2nc@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug19.210947.26366@spdc.ti.com>, serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com writes:
>> 
>>|If you are not willing or able to take a pregnancy to term
>>|then maybe you should not be having sex.
>>
>>I'm sure all the married couples in the world are grateful to
>>you for making their sexual decisions for them.  But before we
>>put you in charge of the new Celibacy Police, perhaps I should
>>share with you some Fascinating Sex Facts.  Ready?
>>
>>- Conception happens when sperm enters the vagina, travels
>>  up a fallopian tube, and fertilizes a ripe egg.
>>
>>- Some sexual activities DO NOT involve intercourse, and
>>  hence are not likely to involve sperm entering the vagina.
>>  And that means?  Yes, Mike, you got it!  Conception is very
>>  unlikely!  What sexual activities are those?  I hear Mike
>>  ask.  Let me list some possibilities for you:
>>	oral sex 
>>	anal sex 
>>	mutual masturbation
>>	sex with a member of the same sex
>>
>>- Modern medicine has invented something known as
>>  "contraception" or "birth control".  You might guess, just
>>  from the name, that it's something that works to prevent
>>  conception.  Well, you're right, Mike!  It does.  Some methods
>>  are 98% effective.  (Don Porter would want me to stress that
>>  the possibility of failure, and unwanted pregnancy, exists for
>>  any method.  The point, though, is that even intercourse need
>>  not lead inevitably to pregnancy.)
>>  
>>  Contraception generally works in one of three ways:  
>>  	- it provides a barrier, so that sperm can't reach the egg
>>	- it is a spermicide, which means it kills the sperm
>>	- it prevents implantation, by making the environment of
>>	  the uterus hostile to a fertilized egg
>>  
>>  Let me list some popular methods for you:
>>	condom (barrier method)
>>	diaphram (barrier + spermicide)
>>	gel & foam (spermicides)
>>	sponge (spermicide, with some barrier potential)
>>	"the Pill" (prevents release of a fertilized egg by
>>		    manipulating hormone balance, also prevents
>>		    implantation in case of fertilization)
>>	IUD (prevents implantation)
>>
>>That's a lot of new info, isn't it, Mike?  Don't worry if it's
>>too much to take in all at once.  The point to grasp is a simple
>>one:
>>
>>    Sex does not inevitably lead to conception.  
>>    Birth control and sexual activity that doesn't involve 
>>    intercourse can make  conception unlikely, and indeed 
>>    nearly impossible.
>>
>>Here's another point for you to ponder:
>>
>>    Sex is a basic human drive.
>>
>>Attempts to thwart that drive are doomed to failure.  (People in
>>the past continued to have sex, even though the lack of medicine
>>& contraception meant that they were in greater danger from STDs
>>& unwanted pregnancy.)  Your solution involves forcing married
>>couples to refrain from sexual activity.  Now, is that a
>>reasonable demand for you to make, Mike?
>>
>>Most posters to talk.abortion find your approach to unwanted
>>pregnancy utterly unrealistic.  Most people prefer to concentrate
>>on other ways of coping, such as:
>>    improved sex education
>>    improved access to birth control
>>    other ways to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the 1st place
>>    helping women get into circumstances where they're more
>>    	likely to consider having children
>>
>>Maybe you could think about how you would approach the problem
>>from a more constructive direction than your current tack.
>>
>>Pardon me now, Mike.  I have to go yield to my animal desires &
>>grab a late lunch.
> 
>   I could believe what I have just read if it were directed at my
>   4 year old son.  He is still quite naive in these matters. 

What, might I ask, is not believable in the previous post???
Are you sure you may not have been educated in a completely incorrect
manner?  It all looks really plausible to me.  What is it that you
don't believe??  I'm truly baffled.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
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