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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ramones, punk rock, XRaySpex, others (lots)
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:33:50 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <BuAGs3.AsC@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:
>>
>>He still does Sex Pistols covers, and he sticks to his uncommercial
>>singing style.
>
>
>singing style"? The annoying "a" sound he adds to the end of every line?
>I wouldn't say that it's uncommercial - it's just a very annoying vocal
>mannerism.

Please explain to me how an "annoying" sound is commercial.  That's a new
one to me.  I guess that means that Skinny Puppy is full-on commercial,
because their music is full of  annonying sounds.

>
>Your "stories" of Adam Ant coming to McLaren with wads of cash are ludicrous
>considering that Adam Ant was nothing before McLaren got ahold of him.
>

How do you know what he had?  Like most pop stars he probably had
financial supporters to help him get off the ground.

>
>McLaren's name was attached to the Pistols as a manager/swindler. No doubt 
>he arranged the A&M and EMI rip offs, but as to the influence on sound and
>lyrics - and attitude, I doubt that he had much to do with this (other than
>encouraging it). Look at the Bill Grundy show. If Grundy hadn't made some

Well, there is a long tradition of managers influencing the sound and
style in British rock bands.  The beatles manager gave them their haircuts
and got them to clean up their sound and image (previously, they were
a greasy rockabilly band).

It has also been documented how the Rolling Stones manager and publicist was
a major influence on forming their attitude and style.

Also, I have read that the Clash's manager was the one that got
them to write political songs.

The Sex Pistols were just a group of lager lout, football hooligan types
that have a long tradition for being into crude, rowdy, anarchic, anti-royalist
behavior.  McLaren just put a bunch of lager louts on stage and dressed
them up in fashionable attire.  Football hooligans and lager louts are
getting in riots and slicing each other up and the police on a regular
basis (note the riots this summer in Bristol and the North of England, and
at the European Football cup matches).

I assert that you have bought the product of the McLaren bullshit
machine lock, stock and barrel.  The Sex Pistols were just as
manufactured as is Kylie Minogue.  They were just manufactured bad boys.

>
>First of all, there was nothing to hype as far as the Ramones were concerned.
>What possible BIG HEADLINES could the Ramones ever have garnered?
>& The Ramones may have more to say (for you), but they have had 18 years to say
>it. 
>

That's probably because the Ramones' messages are more subtle and less
sensational.  The media picks up on sensationalism and the Pistols 
supplied it under McLaren's guidance.
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Lollaetcetera...
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:25:03 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep5.133920.300@lrc.edu> blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
>
>TO THINK THAT THIS ALL STARTED WITH A SIMPLE INTENTION TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE
>OF THE POLITICAL-ACTION COMITTEES THAT WERE PRESENT AT LOLLAPALOOZA--did we
>really have to go into this argument over whether or not Lollapalooza was a
>coporate publicity stunt or the merits of slam-dancing to Ministry?????????

Of course we did. :)

You brought up some very good points - and solid ones at that, so there's
little point in debating them. Ah well...

However, I don't know if I'd consider "Shiny Happy People" a sell-out
song - just because it totally boggles my mind that anyone with any
shred of humanity would even *like* that song. Of course, I was
proved wrong... (and to think - REM covered "Academy Fight Song"
throughout their last tour... :) I'd actually say "Stand" was their
breaking point, IMO. But who cares? I don't. Blah.


-- 
Joshua Houk || houk@athena.cs.uga.edu
[Co-moderator of the Indie-List - email for info!]
"It's not what you are, it's what you got"
     - Weenie Roast
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth any good?
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:28:00 GMT

>It's true. And it's obvious how jealous and uptight Thurston is: remember
>the "I Killed Kurt Cobain with my Big Fucking Dick" single? It's also pitiful
>how members of Sonic Youth go from band to band --Borbetomagus, the Ex,
>Glen Branca's Orchestra, Mudhoney --just to try to get Nirvana's attention,
>or at least sound just a teeny bit like those Seattle groundbreakers. 
>Shit, its time somebody put those talentless, guitar-mangling No Wave
>art fag Sonic Youth people in their place, right? 
>
>I mean, come on. Not even Axl Rose knows who Sonic Youth are.

	Man, I hope you have a thousand invisible smileys somewhere in this
letter. 

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From:  (J Klein)
Subject: Re: The CHILLS
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:24:24 GMT

>    I'd put the 3Ds down as best band from NZ now. Actually I'd put them down as
> best band in the world. 

Tell me about them.  What've they released?  I have only heard of them in
passing.
From: v060p9rr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Erasure Tour Dates?
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:33:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Does anyone have the dates for Western and Central NY?  How about 
Toronto?  I'm in Buffalo, so these are the closest.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: emj5e@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Eric Marshall Jones)
Subject: Re: Smiths covers?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.185041.1460@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
>In <19920904170812IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Hagop Janoyan) writes:
>
>>In article <kbennett.715559106@milton>, on 3 Sep 1992 22:25:06 GMT,
>>kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>
>>>winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com (Brian Winter) writes:
>>>
>>>>Hi - I'm trying to find out about artists/bands that have covered
>>>>songs by the Smiths, and which songs they covered. The only one I know
>>>>of is "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" covered by Act


	Check out the Treepeople from Seattle doing a great version of 
"Bigmouth strikes Again". It's on a new CD of compiled material from them
of which I forget the name. Sorry. They only have a couple of releases.

		-Eric J
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Black Crowes???
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.201529.13982@u.washington.edu> dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube) writes:
>Since we've decided to discuss the Black Crowes after all, could K!z!K
>please post the references I need to confirm that Chris Robinson is all
>those things other than pale and homely?  The pale and homely part is
>pretty plain to see.
>
>I still need the list of bands that have been classified as alternative
>posted.
>
>Also, because of the reasoning K!z!K offers above, I propose that we no
>longer discuss anyone pale or homely or pretentious or chauvenistic or
>racist or homophobic.  Or if they're a ferret.
>
>Only discuss things that are sweet, nice, fun, and agreeable.
>
>I like this newsgroup best because we're all so cool here.

   OK OK I admit.  I was a bit hostile about Chris Robinson.  I just
  wanted to get aggro on the whole Black Crowes subject.

   If you want proof of pretentiousness, turn on MTV and see Chris
  Robinson in an interview.

  If you want racist, read the NME article where he blatantly denounces
  Public Enemy as "racist assholes" and makes claims that "rap isn't
  music" (all that while he struts in his little Mick Jagger jigs).

   If you want chauvenistic, read ANY magazine reporting Chris Robinson's
  live remark in Australia about how someone "needs BALLS to sing",
  and subsequently getting punched by the lead singer of Baby Animals.

   As for the alternative list.... good luck.

                                                         K!z!K



Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: lsalvati@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Louis M Salvati)
Subject: social distortion documentury
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:27:59 GMT


OK alternetive Fans I need some serious help. A little over five
years ago I saw on a show called Night Flight on USA cable
channel a sort of punk rock documentury featureing a Social
Distortion tour also seen was Minor Threat the show was basically
about the punk rock seen at that time. The song Mommy's Little
monster by SD was performed live. anyway I loved it and at the
time even taped it but since I was only a teenager at the time it
has long since been tape over. I would love to have a copy of
this if anyone out there has it. Thanks



Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: They Might Be Giants
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 00:08:54 GMT

In <18bc5jINNi2n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>In a previous article, Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) says:
>>Just a piece of info on the band's name's origin; the other day in the
>>video store, I saw a circa 1920 movie on the shelf called, "They Might
>>Be Giants"
>>I don't know what this means, but I just though it was interesting.
>Bingo.  It was named after the movie.

Indeed, but I'm not sure where "circa 1920" came from.  I've seen _They
Might Be Giants_, and it starred George C. Scott.  It really didn't feel
like a remake either....

It's actually rather good, though a bit odd, sort of in the same vein as
_Harold and Maude_.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
          The poster of this article is a genuine and authorized POPE
                          so *please* treat him right.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ins658l@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Kent Yeo)
Subject: Simply Red tickets
Summary: Tickets for Sale
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:36:35 GMT

	Tickets for Sale !!! 22nd September ........ great seats

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: simondun@ecr.mu.oz.au (Simon DUNSTALL)
Subject: name the song time again
Keywords: trash bag
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:36:05 GMT

Okay, I'm only a part time devotee of 
the type of music this song is (i'm an english alt-pop fan), but
I enjoy it all the same. Anyway, to the point...I do like
 this song a lot..it's by an american band i guess.
..please excuse my ignorance..

some of the lines are:

'We always knew, she was the liberator'

and

'A Mermaids tail, and a trash bag full of hair'

Actually it all sounds a bit helmet-ish, although i shouldn't
say that because the only helmet song i know is FBLA. 'fight!'

Thank you all in advance.

Simon with no .sig to leave 'More 96%` to really piss you off
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: micah@hardy.u.washington.edu (Micah Anderson)
Subject: Re: They Might Be Giants
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:17:49 GMT

While we are on the subject....

If you are interested in They Might Be Giants, subscribe to the mailing list!
Mail to: <they-might-be-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu> and say hey, add me or I'll
inflict colon bruises!

That should do it... We have neat stuff in the ftp directories too (sounds
and Gifs and lyrics and and and other STUFF!)

<Note people already on the list: count your chickens cause they almost
hatched... I almost posted the list address... oh hell would have come down!>

Micah
TMBG ADMIN
From: Daryn.Belden@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Daryn Belden)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: U2 in Madison ticket for sale
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:38:22 GMT


   Bleah.  Being a student is hell.  Finances being what they are right now, I've got a ticket available for the U2 show at Camp Randall in Madison.  That's Sunday, September 13, 7:00pm.  I dunno what a fair price would be; the seat's section U, row 56, seat 25.  It cost me $35, but I'll let it go for $40.  First come, first serve.

                                -Daryn Belden
                                 ( 608 ) 257-5057


 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: Re: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:24:43 GMT

>Sort of surprises me that Boston didn't sue Nirvana earlier for
>the fairly well publicized similarities concerning
>the guitar riffs for "More Than A Feeling" and
>"Smells Like Teen Spirit" if KJ is going to do so.

	There's only so much you an do with music. Love and Rockets No New Tale
to Tell is The Cure's A Forest backwards, which are kind of similar to Smells
Like.
	There is a song (Hole?) When I Was a Teenage whore which is almost
identical to Mudhoney's Sweet Young This ain't Sweet No More. 

	 It seems silly to even try to copyright a 4 chord song...
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: fowler@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jim Fowler)
Subject: Re: Lush
Keywords: tapes
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:21:00 GMT

In article <BuMw82.Gvn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, jdrage@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (A sphincter says what?) writes:
> RE:  Ride / Lush
> 
> That's odd, because when I saw Ride at the beginning of the summer in Detroit,
> The Wolfgang Press opened for them.  It was quite a shock since I haven't
> actually listened to anything new by TWP since 'Cut The Tree' on the _Lonely 
> Is An Eyesore_ compilation.

Ride and Lush toured together in the US during the spring of 1991, which is the
tour originally referred to.
This year, they toured separately.  BTW, when I saw Lush, Babes In Toyland 
opened. When I saw Ride, Slowdive opened.  Both show were in the spring of this 
year.

-- 
Jim Fowler			"Here are the young men
fowler@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu	 with weight on their shoulders"
Electrical Engineering			- Joy Division
The Ohio State University
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: another useless thread - next "Seattle"?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.182000.7398@ac.dal.ca> aproden@ac.dal.ca (Andrew P. Rodenhiser) writes:
>Let's move way across to the East Coast to ......
>
>HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA!!!!!
>

   Close, but it MIGHT be Vancouver.


  There, you'll find NoMeansNo and Superconductor.

   That's all you need to know.

                                                           K!z!K
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara)
Subject: Re: Juliana Hatfield
Keywords: Blake Babies, Juliana Hatfield
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:15:44 GMT

rmason@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Hutchins Mason) writes:

>In article <BuAJrH.795@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> edelosh@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Edward Delosh) writes:
>>Has anyone checked out Juliana Hatfield's recent solo attempt?  I was
>>wondering how it compares to the Blake Babies stuff (which I highly 
>>recommend, incidentally).  Thanx.

IMHO Juliana's album is a lot more consistent than the Blake Babies
stuff.Both BB albums tended to taper off towards end with songs that
sounded like filler.But Juliana's is fantastic right the way through.

	If anyone knows Juliana could they ask her if she wants to
marry a struggling second year chemistry student from Australia,
'cause I'd love to get to know her better.

Gareth.
u9161910@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams)
Subject: Re: L7 at 9: 30 Club
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep9.040710.15345@seas.gwu.edu>, by maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M. Moriji):
> I was just wondering if any of you guys/gals out there went to the L7
> gig at the 9:30 club yesterday.  These girls fucking blew my mind
> away!  They remind me a lot of Girlschool, but better.  Songs like
> "Shove" "Fast and Frightening" "Wargasm" "Everglade" "Pretend we're Dead"
> and "Shitlist" were fucking killer, and sounded better than the
> recorded versions.  People were going nuts too!  One guy dived off
> the bartable and landed on the floor.  Another chick got her shirt
> torn off!  That place was crazy and I loved it!
> 

They killed on Letterman last night. The lead singer and drummer couldn't
stop smiling, and Paul Schaefer just stopped playing half way through the
song.  It was an interesting contrast to see a truly Dangerous band playing
with the supposedly world's most dangerous.
--
Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu
"I'm tired of being nice to people who're full of shit" -- Me
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Big Black reissues?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:56:12 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

What is the deal with the reissues of the Big Black back catalogue? (there's
a tongue twister)

I've heard mention of it in more than one place, but there seems to be no
sign.  Can anyone clue me in?


-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
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  / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
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From: clopez@weird.miami.fl.us (Carlos Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Talking Heads
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:45:57 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

Well, the Heads compilation was announced well over a year ago.  I figured it was pulled back this time because of the new Tom Tom Club album, Dark Sneak Love Action.  I called a local alternative/oldie record store and it has been postponed indefinitely.  
The compilation was suppose to have 5 new songs.  I guess the unreleases tracks are being considered new?  Sax and Violins was released with the Until the end of the World soundtrack.  No live tracks from The Name of this Band is....
Sand in the Vaseline: Popular favorites 1976-1991 is the name of the collection, I believe.  Can't wait. 
What Talking Heads tunes did he do?  Did he do songs from Rei Momo?
Was the band the same from Uh-Uh?  Horn players?  songs from Rei Momo?
I'm seeing him on the second of October in Miami Beach.
It's gonna be great.  I'm gonna rock and mambo!

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)
From: aw3@ukc.ac.uk (A.Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: X-RAY SPEX
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: aw3@ukc.ac.uk (Alan Wilson)
Organization: Chemical Laboratory, University of Kent at Canterbury, CT2 7NH, UK

In article <2AB0EC6E.18598@news.service.uci.edu> altshule@skid.ps.uci.edu (Eric Altshuler) writes:
>
>>Great!! Im now thirty quid betteroff than I was thirty seconds ago. Now
>>all I have to do is find my old X-Ray Spex 45's........
>
>
>Check out a live cut of "Oh Bondage" on "Live at the Roxy, London"
>Its not that hard to find.  Also has Eater, Johnny Moped and all
>the greats.
>                       -Eric

Wrong attribution (above) but I have checked and, yep, I still have my
"Live at the Roxy". What next?

Al

--
Alan Wilson        (insert YOUR favourite witty remark..........)

"You would NOT believe what has been going on behind there" 
=================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The CHILLS
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 14 Sep 1992 04:58:02 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Sep14.123332.809@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, phys170@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Albrow) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.013438.11605@news.yale.edu>, (J Klein) writes:
>> 
>> I bought Submarine Bells on a whim and it turned out to be great.  At times
>> there're a bit like Midnight Oil, but at times there're totally different
>> but excellent.  Supposedly, the lead singer is known in NZ for never having
>> recorded a bad track.  I guess that's a recommendation.  They are about the
>> best coming out from down under.
>
>   I'd put the 3Ds down as best band from NZ now. Actually I'd put them down as
>best band in the world. 
>

The Chills and The 3D's are actually excellent bands, but not necessarily
the best in New Zealand or the world for that matter, other bands in a 
similar vein to try are Sneaky Feelings, The Clean and Verlaines. The 
distinctive sound is known here as the sounds from the deepest south - 
Dunedin sound which evoles from being closet to the South Pole (picture 
the beautiful Southern Alps laden with snow, frosts, ski-resorts, 
sheep, and a guitarist with chilbains, stroking a guitar and you have 
something like the sound ;-).

Some friends of mine in the Wellington band Harry Death toured down South 
and have just returned, were charmed by the hospitality of the South Islanders 
who put them up for the night after gigs.

However on a sadder note Mark from "Lung" - a Palmerston North band with
an industrial flavour had a bad reception in States where he went to book
for a gig and was asked if his band was a "Flying Nun" band, when he 
answered "No", was refused a booking. Bad Attitide, guys! They record
a smaller label Yellow Bike (Stomach Studios - home of Froit-head).

Another plug for NZ's current favourite's Wildside label's Head Like A 
Hole have released another e/p followup to their album 13, "Beezlebeats".
NZ On Air provided sponsership for their video clip "Fish Across Face",
check this out to get a picture, however they will not finance their
next video as the music programmes shown here are so limited, they would
not be shown on commercial television, again boo hiss - TVNZ. 

Hopefully ex-front person Karen Hayes who is back from her stay in England 
hosting the TVFM Music Programme will get the local music back on the 
television that has been sorely missed in this country in prime viewing time.
Skapa (excellent Wellington ska band) had their video Suzanne played on a
Saturday morning (ee errr - so early) on a kiddies programme.

--
Red 


Red