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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:13:22 GMT-0100
From:         Backer.Johnsen@PSYCH.UIB.NO
Subject:      Apples
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> Bramleys, my deah fellah, are to apple crumble and apple pie and
> appelstrudel and ginger and apple jam and plum and apple jam and baked
> apple and apple chutney what NB is to wordprocessing....  What more
> can one say?
>
> Cheers!
>
What about apple cider ?

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:54:11 EDT
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Subject:      re: Speller
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My nb.exe is dated 12-02-91; but I think the date is probably set when you
install nb, so that doesn't help.

John Berg
j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
[the above cryptic message is a response to Ian Jarvie's query--forgot to say
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From: stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller)
Subject: NB/xywrite question
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:13:51 GMT

Sorry if this is covered in a FAQ or something - we just got this as a
newsgroup.

Anyhow, I am a long time user of Xywrite and I'm under the impression
that it is very similar to NB, tho not identical.  also, simpler.

Anybody care to illuminate me?


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Steve Miller	 		    stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:22:06 EDT
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Ran Chermesh writes of a "No overflow: D:" message and lockup, and tells that
he tried:

>1. Problems with my D: RAM disk. I changed the definition in the default.set
>file to C:. The problem persisted.

Just yesterday I wrote a message to this list regarding this, in a follow-up
of an exchange from a month or so ago.  I have found two solutions (more
accurately, I found one, on the basis of suggestions from this list, and,
in a late-night phone call yesterday, Paul Bodin told me the other):

1) make your Ram disk equal to or bigger than 1024K; somehow that seemed
to satisfy my system (before I had it at 512K); PC-Kwik, and for all I
know, other programs, can dynamically adjust the size of the RAM disk
as needed, to free up the RAM for other purposes when the D: drive is
not actually full;

2) [Courtesy of Paul Bodin, and undocumented, I believe]:
  if you use c: as a spill, and have enough room there, of course,
you must put c:\ in the "dr" setting in default.set--ie the root directory
listing as well, to let NB know where the spills are if you switch
dirs while working; Paul also tells me that any subdir will not
work (although I haven't tried this); the c:\ does work, however;
  2b. One would think--and Paul assumed this would work, but it didn't,
that the same would apply to d:--i.e., put d:\, but my system still
locks up, when used w/ 512K D:.

Of course, I am assuming that all will be transformed in latter days,
w/ NB4, and our troubles will be as a dream that passeth [replaced
by new ones . . . .].


Hope this works,

Robert Braham
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
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Subject:      file order
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        Get Ibid zip, Get biblio zip to apg@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:14:32 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Notabene files on taunivm listserver renamed
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All ZIP files on out listserver have been renamed to
conform to the names given by SIMTEL20 people. The names
in all sites are now idenatical.

I have updated

NB-INTRO.ZIP
NB-UTIL2.ZIP
NBOVRLYS.ZIP

Fans of CA&CD.RN (also embedded as phrase 910 in EZ2.PHR, in
NBOVRLYS.ZIP) who have expressed a wish to make this pgm also
call file to screen from a filelist with full details (not just
a list of filenames) would probably like to download the augmented
version (I have been tormented myself by the need to do that,
but haven't had the time to rewrite the relevant procedure).

I would like to thank Allan Needell for his words. It is indeed
often frustrating to know that so much information and devices lie
there, but too few NB users make use of them. With HL, for example
(which I have customized on my F11), NB simply tripled its commands
(since a host of new commands / screens and pgms could be added).
Pity NB 4.0 seems to have reduced the power of HL rather than
augment it, i.a., by making it accessible via the regular 'enter'
(instead of via an extra 'enter'). Sometimes I do wish that NBI
(former DF) people had read the material stored in our files...

Thanks must go for the separators and HL to Tony Woozley, whose
indefatigable contribution to our usage of NB cannot be overestimated.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:30:44 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: help with buying a printer; 4.0
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It gives me a chill to take issue w/ Paul Bodin on anything to do
w/ anything on this list, but I feel obliged here, on a subjective
call:

>>Austin Kerr writes:

>>Much of my original message somehow disappeared into electronic oblivion.  My
>>wife asked me to buy a laser printer.  We write in th eEnglish language.  I
 was
>waiting for 4.0, but need to make a decision soon.  Will 4.0 allowe me to
>> print
>in proportional spacing, such as PT 121 or PT 102, WITHOUT having to buy a set
>of soft fonts to download or the Microsoft or similar cartridge, which is on
>>an HP IIP in one of my offices?  In other words, would we be happy with any
>>laser printer that is HP compatible, or would we be better off with an HP w/
>>a cartridge?

[stufffrom Paul deleted re no prop. fonts, os far in betas, of NB4,]

>The Lingua option of NB 4.0 *does* supply proportional soft fonts, not
>only for Greek, Hebrew and Cyrillic but also for the Roman alphabet.
>These are beautiful fonts, and as an added advantage the Lingua
>printer drivers handle downloading transparently so the user never has
>to pay attention to them.  I am rapidly becoming spoiled by this
>feature of the beta version (among others).

>If you are ordering NB 4.0 without Lingua and want to order a printer
>you will have to investigate font sources as well.  If you are also
>getting Lingua, the package includes quite presentable proportional
>fonts and you may want to wait and check them out before buying
>additional soft-fonts and/or cartridges.  That's my take on it, anyhow.

For a year or two I've been using (for Roman alphabet only) an HP IIP
clone and ProFont cartridge clone, w/ Times Roman and Hel proportional
spacing in 8, 10, and 12 size.  Recently I tried to get it to cough up a few
basic diacriticals, but put aside the project upon seeing that Lingua has
a prop. Times Roman built in (w/o 8-point, I believe).  Well, it may be
back to the project, based on the TR (roman) fonts ive seen in the beta:
You get I all umlauts, of course, etc., but each line of type as a whole looks
more unkempt, less-razor-sharp, etc, compared to hard-wire output.

Of course, opinions may differ.

Robert Braham
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
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What more can one say?  Well, one could send along a recipe!  My backyard
apples aren't quite ripe, but already making good apple crisp and apple sauce,
at least.
  As for the line breaks, brackety markers, or thingies, I can't follow all t
those technical terms, but I'm glad we've both got it working now.

John

j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
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Subject:      Apples
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I think that everyone is getting a little punchy, waiting for
the New Arrival.  We have had enough pit(h)y statements, trying
to reach the core of things.  Some of us are asking to be pommeled,
n'est-ce pas?
Those of us in Carbondale are partial to Criterion apples, the best
eating apples we know of.
But seriously, does anyone know if the handling of graphics files
embedded within NB files has got any better?
With bated breath...
                    Geoff Nathan
Footnote:  I am greatful to my wife, Margaret Winters, also a NB-o-
phile, for the PUNchiness of this epistle.  She takes no responsibility
for the serious part.
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NB 4 *does* support proportional fonts, and unless I am
mistaken, so does NB 3.  The difference is that NB 4
an unlimited range of sizes--everything from 4 point to
256 point--whereas NB 3 allows only predetermined sizes--
10, 12, 14, 18 pt., etc.  Of course, you have to have a
printer capable of printing propotional fonts.  For this
reason, I would strongly recommend the Hewlett Packard
IIIP.  It prints beautifully and at a reasonable speed, and
HP offers educational discounts.  I bought mine a year ago
for $950; it's probably available for something less than
that now given Hewlett Packard's agressive pricing.

On Monday, NB Informatics told me that NB 4 was shipping
that very day.  Has anyone yet received the program?

Bill Watts
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GET EZ-BTMO2 ZIP F=XXE
INDEX NOTA BENE

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Can you add aline that says i. i. instead? and leave i I?

Bob (?) Strauss
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 92 06:58:20 PDT
From:         Janice Tanche <USERTANC@UBCMTSG>
Subject:      Not shipping yet
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It is 7AM Pacific time (11AM in New York, I believe).  I have just
spoken to Elizabeth at NBI who said "We hope to be shipping at the
end of the week."  To my disappointed "Oh" she offered "We are just
getting some bugs out of the software,  but the documentation is
ready."

Boy!  I sure could have used the money this summer that I sent them
to pay for my upgrade and IBID...

Sorry to be the bearer of unhappy tidings.

Janice Tanche, University of British Columbia, Sociology
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I'm not sure what the original source of "looks like a duck" is, but I
remember that Mark Russell used it on PBS about a couple of years ago.
I think he modified it to: If it looks like a tax . . .
Brian Durell
University of Toronto
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:11:20 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Avoiding unwanted capitalisation of i
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              19 Aug 92 10:09:37 GMT from <M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK>

Sorry for having been so cryptic about spelling checking.
My recommendation was to DISABLE your personal SPL file
before activating the speller. This can be done by customizing
some key(s). I normally load a file called word.spl
before spelling; it is there that I keep all the extra
words and other items not included in the dictionary.
I also have other SPL files, which can naturally be loaded
with a '+' (plus) sign (load x.spl+y.spl+z.spl, for instance).
This is practical for specific texts. It is a waste of
memory to load all of these ALL the time. Now, a personal
distionary need not be loaded at all when spellchecking,
unless you use abbreviations, but do not activate the auto-replace
sunction, then expect the speller to expand all of these
abbreviations. I suppose most users do NOT work this way.

When spellchecking is over, I reload my personal SPL
file (with a key, of course).

The result is that the i --> I problem does not occur.

In addition, I have recommended to tell NB to only recommend
corrections based on SPL files rather than implement them.
This way, no harm is ever done.

I hope this is clearer now. I had to scribble yesterday
those lines in great haste (too much to do!).

Itamar E-Z
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Date: 18 Aug 92 15:21:00 GMT
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If I might bridge the Atlantic (in a peaceful way), nothing goes
better with NB than Samuel Adams-- or Samuel Smith.

Bob Strauss
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From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Avoiding unwanted capitalisation of i
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              19 Aug 92 11:04:11 EDT from <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

One of the advantages of the auto-replace mode is
the possibility ro enter an abbreviation in one
language, and get it extracted in another. For instance,
I type the Hebrew letters PT in a Hebrew text, and...
I get _Poetics Today_ in English, with underline.
Such abbreviations, however, cannot be entered via
the dedicated screen, but must be entered manually
into the SPL file, with the proper modes:

pt <mdul>Poetics Today<mdhn>

('mdhn' exists since many years in Shapirit. It will no
longer exist in NB4. Instead, 'la4' will be the code for
going to Hebrew).

This is a great relief, because esp. when you are a fast typist,
going back and forth between languages (here's a word I type
'lgs' for, Paul!) is tedious, even with Shapirit's F6 toggle
key (NB4 has got so far language-dedicated keys, no toggles).

It is also good to use the SPL file for typical typos. I
type 'ceratin' instead of 'certain' and ususally use British
rather than Amrican spelling. My SPL file takes care of these.

Surely it is more convenient to type 't' rather than 'the',
'tg' rather than 'though', and 'bibs' rather than 'bibliographies',
don't you think?

With this apple pie, I stop.

Itamar
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:01:04 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Bramleys, cider, Calvados, and (in passing!) NB
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That's what is so great about this list--every so often someone mentions
a basic, elementary point--e.g., that you can tell the speller to point
at problems, not correct them automatically--which I had forgotten
completely!

John Berg
j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Avoiding unwanted capitalisation of i
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Mervyn E. Bennun writes:

> Is there a way of putting a line into my .SPL such that the letter i
> will be uppercased to I but only where it is the first person singular
> pronoun? The reason is that I also have a line "ie i.e.," (plus
> italics, not shown here). When I run the speller, it turns into I.e.
> because the "i" is also surrounded by separators and is not
> distinguished from " i "

I have been following this discussion with interest, since I have
never used any of these auto-replace shortcuts (I type at about 80
words per minute and never considered them worth bothering with).
Mervyn, I can't think of an automated way around your predicament.
Why not just run the spell checker in prompting mode instead of
automatically when checking a whole file?  It's slower, but will avoid
those errors which require human judgment to detect.  When I intend to
spell check a text I have edited, I usually do so while it is on
screen just before storing it; it's surprising how often that process
shows me bits of syntax I want to neaten, as well as spelling errors.

It's also surprising how many errors get through the automatic spell
checking I use during composition--usually one or two per file, but
one would think there wouldn't be any.  Perhaps I don't hear the beep
in the frenzy of composition.

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Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: Avoiding unwanted capitalisation of i
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:21:07 GMT

In article <23416.9208191009@amory> M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK writes:
...
>Is there a way of putting a line into my .SPL such that the letter i
>will be uppercased to I but only where it is the first person singular
>pronoun? The reason is that I also have a line "ie i.e.," (plus
>italics, not shown here). When I run the speller, it turns into I.e.
>because the "i" is also surrounded by separators and is not
>distinguished from " i "

Mervyn

Here's a kludge that might work.  Pick a character you never use, say
the sigma in the extended ascii set.  Put this line in your .SPL:
"ie i[sigma].e.,", and set your printer file so the sigma doesn't
print.  The "i" is no longer surrounded by separators and should be
immune to the speller.  Of course, it looks funny on screen, and will
have to be fixed before you export the file to any system but your
own, but at least it works.  I think.  Better yet, make it
"ie i[sigma]e.," and fix the printer file so sigma prints as a period.
You could write a little xpl program to replace sigmas (sigmata?) with
periods, once you've finished spell-checking.

Perhaps there's a better character than sigma.  The conditional hyphen
would work - it's not a separator, is it?  It wouldn't print, and it
would automatically be suppressed when you export; but it would
sometimes trigger hyphenation.  Any other ideas out there?

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca

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Yes, SE.DOC really does the trick - this is a point which bothered me
too.

But two things to raise:

1.  The file is called NBGENRAL.ZIP and not GENERAL.ZIP, at TAU.

2.  Tony - may I have a word in your shell-like etc?  In [First line]
a para. marker occurs; this has the effect of making 4 lines, not 3.
It is located, I think, after the entry for ascii 169. I deleted this
para. marker, and it still seems to be loadable ok in default.set, as
you suggest. Of course, this has the effect of reducing the matter to
three lines. It appears that the number of lines must be critical, for
you include the line SE 3 even in the version for incorporation in
default.set. The deletion does not seem to mean that a para marker is
not treated as a separator.

I've got something wrong somewhere in this, I'm sure; can you clarify?

It's kinda summer here. Sometimes, after a fashion, and several times
a day. After 27 years I'm still not used to walking around in gumboots
and sunglasses. How the blackbirds endure it amazes me....  They're
such lovely singers, though they're quiet now. But my apple-crop! Ye
Gods, there are those who have a problem with income tax, or Faculty
Board meetings, or midgey windscreens.... the weather has been pretty
warm, and the combination of sun and rain has been exactly right to
create an overload crisis. Anybody got a pgm for zipping Bramleys???!
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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              18,92 5:59 pm

There is a brew called scrumpy.

It is dangerous.

It even looks dangerous.

It's basically un-vintage cider which has not been racked. It is grim,
cloudy, murky brew which still has Things floating round in it. I
think it tastes vile. Even though it is raw, it still has the full
alcohol content of racked cider because the fermentation is complete.
But it does not make you slosheder fashter - just slosheder nashtier
because of all the other grunge in it - which makes it a most potent
laxative indeed until you get used to it. It's very popular because
it's cheap, and it is actually quite refreshing but with a very raw
taste. Those who take the trouble at about puberty to get used to it
and drink some every day for 90 years live to be very old.

But it is possible to get decent local cider which has not been
preserved, plasticised, synthesised, and so forth at farms. You can
even blend your own; local farmer near us invites you to taste the dry
and sweet and helps you get your own mix. Can take all afternoon....
very difficult process, needing fine and careful adjustment and
frequent tasting to get it right. He's very helpful. His dry gets you
breathing out of your toenails. He says he always makes his
traditionally - at least one dead rat per cask. Nowadays they sling in
a lump of steak, but it's not the same thing at all.... darned
grockles ruin everything.....muttermuttergrumble....

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