From: lemoine@chemvx.tamu.edu (Brett G. Lemoine)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: A question
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:15:00 GMT
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In article <1992Aug21.162258.15081@ncsu.edu>, cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes...
}To respond to the post concerning my comments on homosexuality.

I'm gonna assume that means me.

}I feel the following about homosexuality:
   ^^^^
}1) Homosexuality is a choice, consciousness or sub-consciousness. At any rate 
}   can be changed.

There is evidence to _suggest_ otherwise. I will admit that the case is far
from closed though. Do you also suggest that the other animals (besides humans)
that have practicing homosexual individuals 'choose' it too? I also fail to
see the relavance of the ability to change orientation as to what makes a
certain orientation a "bad thing". Contrary to popular opinion, homosexual
rights groups are not recruiting... they're attempting to have the laws
changed so that they are not discriminated against as least by the government,
if not the rest of society.

}2) Homosexuality, as far as I've seen, has never been the issue that it is today.
}   Why hasn't homosexuality been such a debated topic throughout history.

a) homosexualtiy wasn't attacked as strongly until the early 19th century.
it was considered another sin, no better, but no worse than masturbation,
or adultry.
b) slavery wasn't a hotly debated topic until early last centurt also...
the general acceptance of bigotry does not make it right.

}3) The Roman Empire was great and powerful until the extreme moral decay 
}   weakened it.

A common assertion. I could as easily assert that the Roman Empire was great
and powerful until Christianity took it over, and infighting among preists
weakened it and be as correct.

}4) Homosexuals were the firing gun for AIDS.

Correction, AIDS began IN THIS COUNTRY in the homosexual community. In most
other parts of the world, AIDS is much more prevelant in heterosexuals.

}5) Looking at the make up of a man and a woman, it is quite apparent that they
}    were made to go together sexually. Not so with male-male or female-female.

a) I don't agree that they were "made". 
b) It's mighty presuptuous of you to claim to 'know' God's reason for creating
   homosexuality.

}6) I do not think that a law should be made against homosexuality b/c I said
}   so or b/c it is in my religion.

Well, for once we agree. I would go further, and say that the govenment has
an obligation to ensure that it does not discriminate against homosexuals
legally. Which it _does_ currently. Homosexuals are not allowed in the
military. Couples are not allowed the same legal rights that hetero. couples
are. What possible justification, other than religious, can you possibly give
for that?

}7) I doubt very seriously that all the "prejudice" in the world to homo-
}   sexuals is because of Christianity.
}Chris 

Again, I agree... much can be attributed to Judaism and Islam as well. I
challange you to give _any_ justification other than religious for the
current legal status of homosexual couples and individuals in the U.S.
government.

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