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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: F Spencer
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.123008.28044@eng.umd.edu> green@eng.umd.edu (Michael Green) writes:
>In article <EDY5ESL@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>My understanding is that KRJR will do the 250 Spanish series next year,
>is that the WC GP2 class that Axel refers to ? Edwards had talks with

No, WC GP2 is WorldChampionship 250ccm class. This class is called GP 2 class
after Eccelstone took over.

Here are my latest infos just heard them this morning:

Kenny Roberts Junior will ride 250ccm WorldChampionship (GP 2) class on a
factory Aprilia in a new formed team called "Chesterfield Aprilia". 
Chesterfield is a big cigarrete brand.

Luca Cadalora was thrown out by Rothmanns Honda!!!!! The two time 250ccm
champion ('91 and '92) and one time 125ccm champion ('86?) was thrown
out by Rothmanns Honda despite winning the WC this year. He was also denied
a 500 ccm factory ride. 
Luca Cadalora has now an offer from Marlboro Yamaha to team up with Rainey
on a 500ccm factory Yamaha.
To quote Kenny Roberts:
"If Luca Cadalora comes to us, I'll team him up with Rainey and place
Kocinski in our B-team (!!!!!!!) or send him to Cagiva."
Obviously Roberts is NOT pleases with Kocinski. (he,he,he,he)

Jean Micheal Baile will NOT get a factory Honda ride in either 250ccm or
500ccm class. He still has an offer from Roberts to join his B-team.

Max Biaggi get a factory Honda bike 250ccm along with Doriani Romboni.
Helmut Bradl and Carlos Cardus also get a '93 NSR250 factory bike.

Loris Reggiani and P.F. Chili and Gramingi (currently in the race for the
125ccm WC (GP3 class)) will get a factory Aprilia 250ccm bike alsong with
Kenny Roberts junior.

More news, when I get them!

	-Axel
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From: CHERA@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (ARMSTRONG,Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,aus.motorcycles
Subject: Wayne Gardner - update
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:56:10 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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An article appeared in the Melbourne newspaper The Age, 
August 13 1992, 

It read in part:

`Retiring 500cc Grand Prix bike rider Wayne Gardner will make his 
international touring car debut at Hockenheim next month.
The former world champion will drive a factory BMW M3 in the 
German touring car championship on 20 September.
Gardner's entry for the race was confirmed by the Jagermeister-
Lindner team on Tuesday, after a successful test session.
	Gardner will race as teammate to German Armin Hahne, one 
of Europe's leading touring car drivers, who won the Bathurst 
1000 in 1986 in a Jaguar XJS'

Safe riding Roy.
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From: cote@tartarus.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: PERSONAL to Robert Reid
Keywords: PERSONAL to Robert Reid
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:02:52 GMT


> 
> Hello again Brad,
> I've just tried to send some email to euro-moto@rigel.drfr.nasa.gov and it
> bounced - "Host unknown" - could you please verify that this is the correct
> address?
> Thanks
> Bob.
> 
Sorry Bob,

That's euro-moto@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov

My personal mail to you bounced twice, so I am trying this
posting. Hope it works.

My TR6R is running fine, once again. I just put an electronic
ignition on it, and yanked the Amal for an old Mikuni I had laying
around. 

My old ignition had a very worn points cam lobe, and it was very
hard to keep in time. It also wouldn't run well just off idle with
the Mikuni. Now that I have good timing, the Mikuni runs ok (the
Amal needs to be resleeved, which I will get done this winter). I
need to do a little jetting, but since it is not quite right at
1/8 to 3/4 throttle, that indicates the needle and needle valve,
which are hard to jet unless you have lots of time and a complete
set, which I don't. It's not running lean, so I'll just put up
with some sputtering when I am cruising through town at 30mph.


				Brad Cote'
				UCSD Stare Project

1970 Triumph TR6R 650
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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: '93 speculation (was: F Spencer)
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:45:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.165319.8752@bernina.ethz.ch> torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda) writes:
>In article <EDY5ESL@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>>I heard that Doohan teams up with Beattie and Spencer with Cadalora (250ccm
>>WC '91 and '92).

News I got today:
Doohan and Beattie will be the ONLY 500ccm Rothmanns Honda team. Spencer
will not get a ride.

Max Biaggi replaces Cadalora in the 250ccm Rothmanns team.

>
>Do you really think there is that much difference between the
>factory bikes ?
>More importantly, if you think that suzuki is behind at the moment,
>is the difference greater than the amount of engineering change that
>happens between seasons anyway ?
Yes, Suzuki is way behind. Look at Alex Criville. He beats Schwantz on his
NSR500. And Alex is good but by far not a good as Schwantz.

Suzuki was always a couple of years behind the competition, and that way it
is this season will be in years ahead.

-Axel
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fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
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From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: '93 speculation (was: F Spencer)
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:37:32 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Distribution: rec
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In article <BMZ5NQB@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.165319.8752@bernina.ethz.ch> torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda) writes:
>>Do you really think there is that much difference between the
>>factory bikes ?
>>More importantly, if you think that suzuki is behind at the moment,
>>is the difference greater than the amount of engineering change that
>>happens between seasons anyway ?
>
>Yes, Suzuki is way behind. Look at Alex Criville. He beats Schwantz on his
>NSR500. And Alex is good but by far not a good as Schwantz.
>
>Suzuki was always a couple of years behind the competition, and that way it
>is this season will be in years ahead.
>
My inderstanding is that Suzuki are really suffering this year because of
the increase in the minimum weight limit for 500cc GP bikes (which hit
Suzuki hardest).
Suzuki were on the button a couple of years ago, if Kevin had kept himself
upright more often he might have won the championship by now.
CAW
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Subject: 50cc roadracer update (Adams kart track at Riverside, CA)
From: jew@Sunquest.COM (Ward... James Ward)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:25:20
Distribution: na,local
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems

Well, I got a fourth and a fourth which led to a surprising fourth
overall!  :-)

Bad news is, my rear brake got so hot that it not only cracked the
shoes, but it cooked the wheel bearings!  Geez!  Does anyone else use
the rear brake to modulate speed through chicanes?  Am I doing
something stupid here?

Basically, my technique is something like this: I accelerate through
the turns all the time, scrubbing speed with the rear brake so I don't
overcook any in the series.  The more chicanes, the more rear brake is
applied.  Adams has a LOT of chicanes!  I see other people getting on
and off the gas going through the same sections, but I go as fast and
faster through the chicanes than they do.  Their technique load and
unloads the suspension more than mine does.

Finally got my chamber from Tommy Crawford.  I sure hope it helps.  The
modified stock exhaust is REALLY working!  :-)
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:05:09 -0400 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ceramic Valve shims

    The other day a had a strange whim. Would Ceramic Valve shims be usable.
     The research that I am working on involves stabilized and partialy
stabilized Zirconia; also known as Y-TZP, Mg-TZP or Ce-TZP for
transforming Yitria, Magnesia or Ceria tetragonal to monoclinic
Zirconia.  We do a lot of fracture tests on little (1in dia.) ceramic
discs.  We also make smaller discs (~.25 in dia.) micrographs and SEM
viewing.   I realized that these are about the same size as valve shims.
 And I can make them to varying thicknesses.  Being that I have never
had a motorcylce that has used shim under bucket valve adjustment I do
not know too much about them.  
    My question is does anyone who has such a valve train think these
ceramic shims would give any advantage, and would they be willing to try
some.  They are certainly lighter; by about 60%, and just as strong if
not stronger: ~700-1000 MPa.  And because they can transformation
toughen they are pretty tough when compared to a steel shim.  I don't
have the numbers with me right now but I am going to check on this
aspect soon.  One would not want little shards of Zirconia flying around
in their valve train.
    I would be willing to supply someone, I would prefer a racer, with
shims suited to their bike for testing.  
    If anyone is interested or would like more information on the
materials that I would use please responde by e-mail.

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From: wardman@gandalf.ca (Russel Wardman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: tires
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:35:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.1992Aug19.113531.9746
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.

In <1992Aug17.201642.16126@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:

>hi!  i'm planning on running my bike (750FZR) at blackhawk farms this weekend.
>i'm hoping to run in a 25 lap (50 mile) endurance on saturday and maybe a 7(?)
>lap superbike race sunday.  the bike's got pretty new (2000 miles) sportmaxes.
>at the advice of someone on rec.moto (don't remember who, can't see that far
>back) i called the dunlop tire guys about tire pressure.  i told the guy i was
>planning on running street sportmaxes at the track and he STRONGLY recommended
>using race/sticky tires (like 591's).

Hi Alex,

I'm a little confused. you are comparing street tires which could be used in
a production race but mention competeing in a superbike race. It may be due to
local terminolgy but up here (Canada) superbike racing is synonomous with
slicks, anything else would be rediculous. 

If you are considering running your sportmaxes against dunlops and metzlers
in the production class, go for it and have fun, as long as you don't mind
spending all the money associated with a race weekend without much hope of
being on the podium.

If you are considering running your sportmaxes against slicks in a pro
superbike race, reconsider.

Whatever you choose to race, I hope you have fun.

Russell  




 
>what should i do?  i can't really afford $250 to get sticky tires by this
>weekend.  of course, i also can't afford to fix the bike should the sportmaxes
>get slippery...

>axel

>email: ae0s@andrew.cmu.edu, not essbaum@rchland...


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From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: tires
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:07:03 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Aug19.113531.9746@gandalf.ca>, wardman@gandalf.ca (Russel Wardman) writes:
|> In <1992Aug17.201642.16126@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> 
|> >hi!  i'm planning on running my bike (750FZR) at blackhawk farms this weekend.
|> >i'm hoping to run in a 25 lap (50 mile) endurance on saturday and maybe a 7(?)
|> >lap superbike race sunday.  the bike's got pretty new (2000 miles) sportmaxes.
|> >at the advice of someone on rec.moto (don't remember who, can't see that far
|> >back) i called the dunlop tire guys about tire pressure.  i told the guy i was
|> >planning on running street sportmaxes at the track and he STRONGLY recommended
|> >using race/sticky tires (like 591's).
|> 
|> Hi Alex,

axel, not alex.  damn, why does everyone have such a problem with that... :)

|> I'm a little confused. you are comparing street tires which could be used in
|> a production race but mention competeing in a superbike race. It may be due to
|> local terminolgy but up here (Canada) superbike racing is synonomous with
|> slicks, anything else would be rediculous. 

right, superbike means slicks here too.  the only reason i'm planning to run
street sportmaxes is because i can't afford to buy other tires now.  other
tires and another set of wheels (got any?) are at the top of the list, but if i
spend $200 on tires, i don't have the ~$200 i'll spend on fees/gas/etc. this
weekend.

|> If you are considering running your sportmaxes against dunlops and metzlers
|> in the production class, go for it and have fun, as long as you don't mind
|> spending all the money associated with a race weekend without much hope of
|> being on the podium.

pretty much the only way i'll make the podium is if everyone else crashes :)
i don't plan to win, i just want track time.

|> If you are considering running your sportmaxes against slicks in a pro
|> superbike race, reconsider.

depending on how comfortable i feel after some practice, i may not even run the
superbike event.  i dunno.  i guess as long as i'm not in everyone's way, i
wanna get as much time on the track as possible.

|> Whatever you choose to race, I hope you have fun.

me too, thanx!

|> Russell  

axel
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From: mcdonoug@dmpe.csiro.au (Graeme Mc Donough)
Subject: Re: tires
Organization: CSIRO Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:31:47 GMT

####################################Another thing is that the sticky tyre will in most cases save your ass
>bieing scraped where the street ones wont ( when you make a boo boo)..
>Take my word for it the Dunlop guy was not screwing for your money
>when he was trying to make you do the right thing.
>Take it from me  a B grade Production Racer if that helps.

I take a bit offense in your post so I have to reply again :-)
I'm racing with an amateur license for a couple of years. Not much luck
in national races, but usually top 5 in clublevel races.

As a beginner he will not go to the limits anyway. If you would have read
my post correctly I have stated that there is a brake problem with 
street tyres, so I have taken this into account too.

Nevertheless from my experience guys who have started on a track the first
time with streettyres are much more carefull. They know that they don't have
the best equipment. So it is unlikely they crash. On the other hand neophyte
racers with super equipment usually ride well beyond their own limits. 
And going to crash. 


We have a public racetrack here in germany. Every weekend at least 1 dies
with several others trashing their bikes and themselfs. So I speak with
a 'bit' experience on this subject.

-Axel
######################################

I did not mean to offend you, But I thought It was important 
to put my 2cents worth in.
::

It seems that you are a reasonable rider and possibly getting right up 
to the top of the class. I hope the footnote about your Honda CBR600F2 (stolen)
is not stolen. If it is I feel sorry for you. Anyway back to the subject,
I can say I have a reasonable background since I am Number 2 in Australia for
250 Production Racing (Maybee I will do better next year). 
The reason why I stated that, Is to give you an idea of my background,
not just a 2-bit-racer.  I still do stick by what I said when I said get better 
Tyres.
As you said above The beginner will not go to the limits anyway, and I agree,
but the beginner will put himself or herself in a position where the tyres will
become a major part in saving the bike sooner or later.
As to your comment about the beginner riding slow, I agree with that also
and I would also add that the beginer would ride more confidently and
learn easyer with a high confidence in the tyres.
As to the racers who think they are Kevin Schwantz and crash on the second 
conrer. Well I think that they would crash anyway. No matter what tyres they 
use.

Graeme Mc Donough
mcdonoug@mineng.dmpe.csiro.au
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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: tires
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.201642.16126@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>hi!  i'm planning on running my bike (750FZR) at blackhawk farms this weekend.
> and he STRONGLY recommended
>using race/sticky tires (like 591's).
>
>weekend.  of course, i also can't afford to fix the bike should the sportmaxes
>get slippery...

No problem, dont let them fool you. When you are a beginner at the track
it is even better to NOT run sticky tyres. With normal street tyres 
you get the feeling for sliding much better. The tyre tells you way in
advance "Hey I am going to slide soon be careful". On slicks or very
sticky street tyres (like Metzler ME1 or Michelin TX) its harder to slide
because when they begin to slide it happens much faster and unexpected.
You have the feeling you can ride like Spencer on them and suddenly, you find
yourself in the dirt :-)

The real drawback with street tyres against sticky tyres is, that you have to
break MUCH earlier, because sticky tyres or even slicks stuck like
chewing gum to the track, so you can brake very very late. 
Street tyres are by far not as good.

-Axel
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fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Personal Message for Mike Sturdevant
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:57:29 GMT

Sorry for wasting everyones time and space!


Mike,
I can't reach you via email anymore. I have written three mails and never gotten
a reply from you. But they didn't bounce either.

If you get any of these please reply.

Thanks,
	Axel
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fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: tires
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:15:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.043147.1698@dmpe.csiro.au> mcdonoug@dmpe.csiro.au (Graeme Mc Donough) writes:
>It seems that you are a reasonable rider and possibly getting right up 
>to the top of the class. I hope the footnote about your Honda CBR600F2 (stolen)
>is not stolen. If it is I feel sorry for you.
Unfortunately it is true, it was stolen two weeks ago overnight.


No more offense about that tyre discussion, lets drop it ok? :-)
Now the orginal guy who has asked has two opinions and he can choose by himself.

-Axel
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fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
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From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: tire discussion
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:51:52 GMT

if you can't afford racing tires for your race bike on a regular basis,
stop racing. while it is possible to circulate around a track safely on
street tires, you will never regret having more traction. while few can
corner like schwantz and use all available traction from first pitch in
to exit, it is more than likely that a mere mortal (the rest of us)
will exceede a street tires ability to grip at least once in a corner
by braking while leaned over or simply cutting the throttle while
heeled over (both can overload the front and cause it to wash).  It is
more likely that a novice or someone just crusing around will find
themselves going into a corner hotter than they THINK they can take it
and try and scrub some speed and wash out the front end.  In this
situation an experienced racer will simply ride it out. lets not forget
human nature to try and do what others around us are doing on the
track. yes the schools tell you not to do it and some will swear that
they are racing the track not the other racers. in reality, when that
guy stuffs you, you are going to wick it up just a teeny bit and he may
have stickier tires and you may be high siding exiting that corner.

i hate to sound cruel, but being able to afford racing means more than
safety wiring your bike and paying the track fees. its maintenance and
that involves tires. i'm not saying you have to replace tires like some
guys do. there are plenty of good tires on the take off pile at most
race tracks. talk to your track side tire vendors, some will cut you a
deal on takeoffs. i rather run a takeoff race compound tire than a new
street compound tire.

if you say "if I buy tires then I can't afford racing", then you can't
afford racing. if you just want to test the waters and see if you like
racing, buy the race tires, spend money and see what is like to be
a racer (who by the way spend more time spending money than they spend
time on the track). spend all your money and you'll be just like all
the big time racers out there, you'll be a veteran in no time.

One more data point. When I got sponsorship from dunlop, i started
looking in their catalogue for a tire the same size as the michelin
hisport radial that i liked so much on the front of my vintage bike.  I
had tried the 591 (bias) but it chattered more than the radial.  Dunlop
make a sportmax radial in the 110x18 size.  I got one free from my
local dealer (separate deal). little did i know that since it was a
vintage (read narrow) size, it did not come in a race compound.  I ran
it on the front of my bike at roebling road, a plenty abrasive track
and crashed while trying to scrub the tire in, in turn 2 of my first
lap of my first practice session of that year. the dunlop guy asked my
where the hell did you get that tire, he never would have let me out on
it. Street compound sportmax's are not suitable for racing, they are
too hard. Now race compound sportmaxes, they are super soft and sticky
and are just great.


mtiberio@bbn.com