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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: E/ire is ainm don Sta/t.... -- Name of Country
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:33:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
>While in specifically legal contexts like extradition orders we might
>expect that it matters which one you use, it's unreasonable to
>criticise someone for naming the country "Republic of Ireland" on
>letters, and in cases where one wants to indicate the part of the
>island that is not in the UK, this is clearly the best term.

This thread was started when someone from Finland used the
wrong term for the country. I wonder if the Finnish authorities
issued an extradition order for someone in Ireland suspected
of, say, child murder, would the Irish authorities be so picky
over the precise wording?

The extradition order refused for an IRA suspect because the
British authorities got the name wrong most surely helped build
up Unionist resentment against Ireland and the incorrect belief
that the Irish authorities secretly support the IRA. This would
then feed into the mentality which refuses any form of
compromise or dealings with the Republic. For the sake of
making a point a large blow was delivered against the prospects
for peace.

Matthew Huntbach
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From: cedelle@yin.irisa.fr (Alain Cedelle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.europe,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Minority languages in the EC
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:04:00 GMT
Organization: IRISA, Rennes (Fr)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <JL.92Jul20140847@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU>, jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
 writes...
> 
>  Catalan is not a minority language.  Catalan is spoken by an overwhelming
>majority almost everywhere it is spoken.

 According to a European survey, Catalan is spoken by around 20000 people in
 Sardegna. It seems to be a minority language, at least there ...


a.c.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:5213 soc.culture.british:10495 soc.culture.usa:6161
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:48:06 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Chaps this is soc.culture.*BRITISH* could we get rid of the thread on
American politics please. After all who needs Bill Clinton when we've
already got David Mellor?

Andy Fear, cla04@uk.ac.Keele
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Scottish Football Fixtures
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:01:46 GMT

From article <1992Jul29.145519.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, by caar14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk:
> Standings in the Top two Scottish Divisions at the end of last season.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

Do you also have the standings for the Highland League from last season?

														GW

Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:5197 rec.music.folk:5049
From: palmm@csc2.essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The House Band in Pittsburgh
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: palmm@essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Just wondered if anyone could tell me who is in the House Band and where 
they came from. I new of a House Band in Edinburgh that Produced a record 
around 1984 but then split up. I think Jed the singer kept the band going
in some form. Two members in the original band (Ian McLeod on Mandolin and
Jimmy White on Flute/Pipes) left to form a band called Rua. Is this the same 
House Band?

Cheers.
Mike.
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The Nawglan: information?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:00:35 GMT
Reply-To: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Organization: The Vale of the White Stallion Computing Laboratory and Stud Farm

dlg47782@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (unconvincingly claiming to be Tegid Tathal) wrote:
(  It was "Nawglan," meaning
 ) "The Sacred Nine."  It was used in reference to nine sacred woods (willow,
(  alder, rowan, yew, etc...).  ... Has anyone heard of anything like 
 ) this before, and since my command of the language is poor at best, can 
(  anyone inform me how to pronounce the word.

Naw = nine; pronounced much the way a British English speaker pronounces 
	`now', except the vowel is a bit wrong.

Glan = holy (clean) as in ybbryd glan, the holy spirit; pronounced more 
	or less the way a British English speaker would pronounce something
	like `glarn', that is not pronounceing the `r' at all, but using 
	the `ah' vowel of `are'.

When you run two words together like this the accent moves to treat it       /
as a single word, so on the penultimate syllable, nOW-glarn.                / g
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:44:46 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Jul27.055050.5451@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes...
>There was an article in today's New York Times which used various surveys and
>poll results to try to distill a description of a 'typical' American (a dubious
>exercise, at best).  The one factoid that caught my eye was the Census data
>that indicated that fully 13.1% of Americans claim some Irish ancestry, while
>only 11% claim any amount of English ancestry  (the 'Irish' were second only 
>to the 'Germans' - 19.6% claimed German ancestry).  I don't know whether I'm
>more surprised at the large percentage of 'Irish-Americans' or at the low
>number who recognize English ancestry, given the country's origins, or at the
>fact that the Census Bureau even asks something like this...
> 
What was the figure for the Scots?

Craig

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From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:48:14 GMT



It's been some years since I was a Census-taker, but when I did it you were
only allowed to pick *one* "origin" from the list, and there was no place for
ethnic groups not on the list. (And I got lots of complaints, because my area
of interviews had a large, proud, active Dutch-American community and "Dutch"
or "Netherlands" was not on the list.) I had people refuse to answer until I
found some place on the form for them to complain that their group had been
overlooked, even though they knew this would not result in any change.

The USA is not, despite its legends, a "melting pot". Nothing melts, it seems.:)
It is more a stew... :-) with lots of readily identifiable ingredients.{

Suze
trifid@agora.rain.com

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From: des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Eire, Ireland? (Was Re: Separation vs. integration)
Organization: INMOS architecture group
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:22:48 BST

In article <155l92INNn4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <CC.92Jul28094542@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>> |>OK, we definitely can't use "Eire".  But we also can't use "Ireland", because
>> |>it's ambiguous (it could equally refer to the 26 or to the 32 counties).
>> |>Could someone please suggest an unambiguous and inoffensive word for the 26
>> |>counties?
>Well, those of us in the North just call it the South. The fact that the
>most northern part of the island is thus in the south doesn't seem to bother
>anyone. Far more discussion is caused by the vital question of whether, when
>one is in Belfast, one goes "Up" or "Down" to Dublin.

why don't we take a lesson from the germans on this one. i.e. write
out a short sentence that expresses what we mean, remove all the
space characters and call it a word :-)

how about

the twentysixcountiesoftheislandofirelandcurrentadminsteredfromdublin

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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:34:19 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.102127.25741@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, by dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning):
> 
> 1000AD was just about the end of the Pictish Kingdom in Scotland. It tottered
> along for about another couple of hundred of years then vanished without trace.
> Dave
> 
I agree the Pictish kingdoms disappeared when the MacAlpin's married
into the matrilinear Pictish line, but the Scotii as a population was
small and even though the power elite became Scots the populace in
general were still Picts, Angles and Britons over a major part of
Scotland. In England a similar thing happened when the Normans invaded;
the "rulers" were Normans but the populous were Ango-saxons. The Picts
did not vanish without trace; I would suggest that at least in the NE
most people there are probably the decendants of the Picts, rather than
the Scots. Also in the NE there are a very large number of Pictish
artifacts including their picture stones.

															GW
From: JMoylan@cup.portal.com (John Thomas Moylan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:59:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Jul27.114452.28873@rdg.dec.com>
  <1992Jul27.162113.2897@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

I remember that a few years ago, Time(or some other similar magazine --
Newsweek maybe) ran an article about this, but they gave it something more
like this:
 20% Irish
 20% German
 20% English
  2% Polish
   2% Scottish
  1% Scotch-Irish
etc. some of the numbers were probably something like 19.6%, etc.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:37:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
>What a fool to think Clinton can do anything but ruin our country.
>He'll raise taxes we can't afford to pay.

Can't or won't? Have you Americans already cut back on your
luxuries? Would extra taxes mean you going hungry or naked? Or
would you rather, as your President's action at the recent
Environment Conference in Brazil suggests, ruin the world for
the sake of saving the bloated lifestyle of that half of your
population which still thinks it has a sufficient stake in its
country to make voting worthwhile?

Is it any coincidence that the two countries with the most
right-wing anti-tax and anti-spending governments in the
1980s, the USA and the UK, are now the two in the worst
economic slumps? Aren't both countries acting like a
householder who lets his house fall to pieces because rather
than invest in keeping it in a good state he prefers to spend
his money on expensive luxuries?

Matthew Huntbach
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Celtic alchoholism?
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:45:57 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


Article: 374
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI-Radio)
Newsgroups: clari.news.headlines
Subject: US & World headlines (Jul 27 3 am PDT)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 3:26:38 PDT


....
	A new study shows people of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent are
three times as likely to suffer from alcoholism as those in the general
population. Today's study was reported in the Guardian newspaper.

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From: zippy@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Michele M. Batter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Bodhran lessons
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:23:34 GMT
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I just received a bodhran as a wedding gift, and I would like to learn
how to play it.  Does anyone know of any instructors in or around the
Philadelphia area?

						Zippy
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:29:57 GMT
Subject: Gaelic Toast
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic

How do you write the Scottish Gaelic toast which phonetically is 
"SLAN-ji VAR" ?

Reply by e-mail please.

Ian.
From: jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Justin Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: _Gaelic_ by Roderick MacKinnon
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:57:27 GMT


	Hello, I'm looking for a book and was hoping that someone
out in netland would be able to help me find it.

	The book is in the Teach Yourself Books line and is called
simply _Gaelic_.  It is a nice self-study book on Scots Gaelic by
Roderick Mackinnon.  I've been trying to find a copy, but I've been
told by the U.S. publishers, Random House, that the book is out of
print indefinitely.  Does anyone have a copy that they could
possibly sell me?  Alternately, the name, phone number, and/or
address of a bookstore that may have a copy would also be greatly
appreciated.

	The ISBN for the Random House edition is 0679-102175.

	I'm going to be heading back East in a couple of weeks and
plan to raid as many bookstores in Boston as possible, but I'm not
holding out any hopes. :-(

Cheers,
Justin
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---------------->Pacific Studies-University of California, San Diego
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Horslips --- Irish Musical Tradition
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:35:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <slips@vadier.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn
McManus) writes, in reply to jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)

> ...the callousness of
> the phrase "A blind man's dreams are not much fun."
 
I really can't see this. Though I'm less inclined than Jo might be to
credit Horslips with great profundity, it seems clear that the singer
is casting himself (literally or metaphorically) as a blind man, and
offering his dreams to someone with the caveat that they are not worth
much.

This interpretation may depend on having read the fuller lyrics as
posted, but then again, the very context of a quote taken out of
context as in a .sig, is ``this-is-out-of-context''.

I also think that to be over-sensitive to potential slights (to other
people) such as this is to risk being patronising. On the other hand,
offensive expression does exist and is worth protesting. The problem
is judging where the line between offensiveness and inoffensiveness
lies -- we disagree in this case. 

A subsidiary problem is how to tell someone that you judge a
(subjectively inoffensive) expression of theirs offensive, without
making them feel attacked, or prompting them to use that vile concept,
PC[1], in a retaliatory description of you.


Brendan

---------
[1] PC: ``You're just part of a unthinking fanatical conspiracy to
disagree with decent people like me, so let's forget your arguments''
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From: keeshu@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Kees Huyser)
Subject: Re: Minority languages in the EC
Organization: the National Institute for Nuclear Physics; the Netherlands
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:34:25 GMT

In article <firstoff@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
#Irish is an official language of Ireland, but not of the Community.
#The Irish Government did not want it made official, presumably because
#they would then have had to supply people to do translations of
#proceedings and documents, when such translations are not in practice
#necessary.

Then why has my EEC model Dutch passport a translation of the pertinent
phrases in all the languages of the EEC, including Irish? BTW, the front
of my dutch driving licence (also an EEC model) says a.o Ceadu/nas Tioma/na.

[BeginObAnecdote]
When you show an EEC model driving licence to an official in the USA, they
look at it with a frown and say "What the h*ll is THIS?" Then when you go on
to explain that THIS is a driving licence, that it is a valid one, and that
it is recognised on over 13 countries in Europe they just shake their head
and mumble something about "funny papers".
[EndObAnecdote]

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From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Questionnaire
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:31:48 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



To whom it may concern,


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

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If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you| 
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of Quebec.
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If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

Please note: this posting should appear only in the Quebec distribution
area. If you can read this posting outside the province of Quebec, please
disregard it. The survey is limited to Quebec residents. Thanx!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:21:27 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>Also, to get off the subject a little, how Celtic are the
>Scots. 

From what I understand, the Picts were a much older Celtic group arriving in
Scotland from the Middle East (Iraq and therabouts?) long time before the more
modern Celtic invasion (long time being something in the order of 1000 - 2000
B.C.)

Historically, back around 1000 AD most "Scots" actually would
>have been Picts (whoever they were; not necessarily Celts). 

1000AD was just about the end of the Pictish Kingdom in Scotland. It tottered
along for about another couple of hundred of years then vanished without trace.
They had been battling with the ever increasing influx of the Scots from
Ireland, losing ground on the West coast to them, The Britons and the Angles
from the south and the Vikings in the North over the years, the Pictish
Kingdom being shrunk to a fraction of it's original size by about 1000 AD.
The marriage between the Pictish crown and the Scots crown and the creation of
Scotland as a country signalled the end for the Picts. What happened to them
remains a mystery as they left no written work though they did leave lots of
things like cup and ring stones and a whole pile of carvings and knick knacks
at Dumbarton Rock which was, at one time, the capital of the Pictish Kingdom.

The term Scots and Picts (and Caledonii) were coined by the Romans to describe
the inhabitants of Ireland (Scotii) and Scotland (Pictii and Caledonii). Just
what happened to the Caledonii, I can't remember but Ian Grimble does a
reasonable book called "Who are the Scots?" which deals with some of the
early history of Scotland.
The term Caledonia to describe Scotland is still in use today though.


Dave

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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:09:46 GMT

In article <4763@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel Harrity) writes:
	<snip>
>I'm inclined to agree with Pearse. I can't say I particularly *don't* like
>Candidate Clinton. But you must agree that, really, it's not that terribly
>difficult to be a "feel-good" candidate, and such is what I think Mr.
>Clinton is trying to do. (I mean, geeze, how *could* you be against those
>one-liners above?)
>
>Coming from a politician, one of the most prevalent assumptions, I'd
>guess, is that the above-mentioned quotes are nothing more than
>sugar-coated platitudes designed to make this guy appeal to the greatest
>amount of people (voters) possible. At least, that's what came to mind for
>me, and I'd like to think I'm not *that* cynical.... 
>
>And yes, he probably has no choice but to pull this kind of stunt, since
>they all do it. It's the unfortunate condition of the political process
>that's faulty here, which has rather degenerated into a marketing game :(
>
>I saw a report on the news yesterday showing just how pre-planned all
>those "spontaneous" little talks by politicians are.  In this case, a
>simple talk to some country-folk at an Ohio farm was pre-orchestrated to a
>truly surprising extent, so as to maximize the candidate's appeal to
>everyone possible.
>
>I really, really wonder whether a genuinely honest, well-meaning and
>hard-working candidate for political office would stand a chance in our
>system, as now it stands.  In other words, if someone simply got up and
>just *spoke* (with no pre-orchestration, marketeers :) and didn't spend
>gobs of money on digging up the dirt on his opponents, would (s)he survive
>even the first round? 
>
>Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 

Well, Perot did a pretty good job of that. Whether you were a supporter
or not, you have to agree he came uncomfortably close (uncomfoirtable
for the Dems and Reps). Also, I recently heard that one of the networks
made a decision this year that they would never broadcast less than
30 seconds of any candidate, to avoid those 8-second sound bites. That's
a big step in the right direction. Finally, with the increasing popularity
and availablity of cabel, with it's 50 or so channels, there is a lot more
substantial talk and debate, from stations like CNN and CSPAN1 and 2,
which broadcast entire debates and speaches, not just the highlights.

None of this has much to do with s.c.c. however.
			Ed Hartnett

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