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From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: HELP IN WICHITA KANSAS
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:16:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.25602
Reply-To: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Div. Det., Annapolis Facility

I need an uninterested third party to look at a motorcycle I am thinking
of buying.  The bike is in Wichita Kansas.

You don't have to ride it (unless you want to) - just look and tell me
about it.  Time is a factor since he is mailing pictures today and I
want to get a jump on the other buyers.

The bike is a 72 Moto Guzzi.

Please e-mail your reply to the address below.

	     Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2261
		 DoD #0603  MGNOC #12998  '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II
      "What kinda bikes that?" A Moto Guzzi. "What's that?" Its Italian.

-- 
	Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 2752, Annapolis, MD  21402
	  cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2261, (h) 410-647-0990
From: merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Summary: rutgers sucks big balls.
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:19:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Oct.3.21.22.44.1992.1402@remus.rutgers.edu>, kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
> In article <Oct.3.19.33.25.1992.29202@remus.rutgers.edu>, merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi) writes:
> ] Jerky? come on, Kevin.... that's much too silly to be considered an 
> ] insult.
> 
> Right.
> 
> 
> ] well, i was in your cs436 class for 8 weeks out of the summer, and
> ] i NEVER saw a FJ1200 outside
> 
> I only went 6 times.  Every time, I parked my blue FJ right outside
> the doors between the two parts of Hill center.
> 

i went 9 times. he really sucked, didn't he...


> In case you couldn't figure it out,  I was the one with the helmet
> (red or blue)  
> 

full-face, of course...


> 
> 
> ], and we both know that there's only 
> ] 1 place to park next to hill center.
> 
> Maybe for you.  I parked next to Hill, not SEC.
> 
> 

good point. i like the cover under sec...


> ] but this is really childish,
> ] and we're wasting bandwith.
> 
> You started it.

you deserved it.


> ] the point of the matter is that someone
> ] posted an article looking for some information. Curtis was nice enough
> ] to answer the post and provide some information that someone else
> ] was looking for. and you go flame him for it. really swift.
> 
> I'm sure he didn't care.  You've wasted lots more space than me, and I
> don't see a net.police bagde in your .sig.  
>  

ok, you're right again, i'm sure he didn't care. and i ain't no pig, 
that's for sure. and i don't even HAVE a .sig


> ] and if you actually do ride a bike, that's great. i hope that you
> ] have a great time doing it and never get injured doing it. 
> 
> I already have.  I totalled a Radian in '90.
> I hope I never do again.  Thanks for the sentiment.
> 

sorry to hear it. glad that you're ok.


> Which bike was yours outside SEC? 

Blue honda. can't miss it.


> 
> ], if you would like to keep this little arguement going, write me
> ] at   "merenda@remus.rutgers.edu"
> 
> I don't, and, if I did, I'd post wherever I wanted to.
> 

ok, so let's drop it and stop booring all these innocent people. 
i'm sure that they are all sick of our immature bullshit.


> Jerky.

oh god.


> 
>     :)  <- This is a smiley face.  I thought that people smart enough
> to login to a computer didn't need to have humor pointed out to them.
> 

well, kevin, if i had known that you were making an attempt at humor,
i would have just kept my big mouth shut, and avoided this whole
thing. and by the way, we both go to Rutgers, and that means that we
are both idiots.
ok, everyone, if anyone is actually reading this. i'm wrong, Kevin
is NOT a poser. 

end of thread.

peace everyone. ride safe.

-frank merenda-
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Summary: protecting tools, sanctification
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct1.143035.595@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.195301.16411@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> > Actually, I start to lose it when one of those so-called mechanics
> > looks at my bike and happens to pick up a wrench at the same time.
> 
> are all your tools rubber coated?  

Well, at least *one* of them isn't.  :-)

> do you use clear oil?  

Oil??  Oh, in the MOTORCYCLE, you mean!  Yeah, Golden Spectro is
clear.  Of course, the inside of the FJ's engine is so clean that
the oil stays that way.  I let the other riders in my neighborhood
observe me changing it periodically so they won't feel bad.

> does starr let you put the FJ in the dishwasher? 

Naah. The inside of a dishwasher isn't clean enough for my FJ.  I'd
lose ground.

> tell your secret, oh
> keeper of the sanctified motorcycle.

Keep a Sanctified Motorcycle.  Say, I *like* that! Thanx, Bob!

> > I betcha Blaine put his own Krausers on, too.  (Wow, it's amazing how
> > "Krausers" sounds like "trousers" in that context, isn't it? :-))
> 
> and even though he lives in the santicifed state, he still puts
> one on at a time.

There's a special dispensation for FJ owners with Krausers.  After
all, putting the Sanctified Hard Bags on the Sanctified Motorcycle
*is* something of a religious experience, as any FJ/Krauser rider
can attest. :-)

Say, I'll bet this bragging on the FJ is probably wearing pretty
thin among the non-FJ Denizens.  Perhaps, I've overdone it just
a tad.  Perhaps t'would be better that I display a little humility,
a little tolerance for the different preferences and sensitivities
of riders of other models/brands.  Then, sensing my good will and
desire for good relations, perhaps they would reciprocate, and we 
would all benefit thereby, enjoying the increased atmosphere of 
harmony and beneficence?

Naah.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
DoD #0003
KotSBS KotSM
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:17:09 GMT
Subject: Re: What would you buy for $2000?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (COBURN  NICHOLAS SCO) writes:

> 
> A friend of mine asked me to reccommend the most motorcycle he could 
> purchase for around $2000.  I thought this was a pretty interesting
> question, and so I would like to know what you all think.  He is most
> interested in an '84 or newer sport bike.  I reccommended an FZ750,
> Interceptor 550, and a Ninja ZX900.  What would you have said?
> 
> Nick 

  A Hawk 650 GT.  They just turn soooooooooo nice.

  Cheers
  Victor "Dances with Roadkill" Johnson
  -------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: First Bike
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:13:50 GMT

In article <9901019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
>> for me.  Any ideas on how to get some more HP and speed out of it.  Maybe
>> a turbo kit or something I can do myself with minimal risk would be the
>> solution.  Any ideas?
...
>JATO bottles, perhaps? After all, they're mil-spec'd, they should be
>pretty safe. But be sure you wear a full-face helmet. Have you seen

Isn't it about time for the semi annual repost of the JATO-equipped
auto?  I need to submit a copy to rec.folklore.urban...

If you do post it, whoever the current KotJATOS is, please edit the
distribution line above.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: oliver@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Oliver Weatherbee)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stealing bikes
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Sep29.151942.12161
Reply-To: oliver@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware

In article 92Sep27133615@starbird.WPI.EDU, rtaraz@starbird.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
> >>>>> On 26 Sep 92 01:19:37 GMT, lawrence@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Lawrence H. Smith,E20 Clark,56064,2726746) said:
> 
> lawrence> Originator: lawrence@msc2.msc.cornell.edu> 
> 
> How do bike thieves steal bikes? Do they actually start it up and
> drive it or do they roll it up a truck and take it away.
> 
> How easy is to break the stearing lock?
> And finally, is locking a bike to something helpfull? (using one of
> those locks that are make of individual strands rather that a chain)

If you have an older bike, say 1982 or older, there's no need to even
break the lock. I used to have a '79 Yamaha 400xs and after losing the
keys, I found out I could use a flat sided shiskobob skewer instead. I
just cut it in half (~6") and kept it in my jacket and never had a
problem.

I should mention that about a year later, the bike was stolen while I was
out of town for two weeks. To replace it, I picked up an '83 Kawasaki LTD
440 on the cheap. Just out of curiosity I tried my tried and true skewer on
it and again had no problem. I tried that skewer on a couple bikes, winning
a number of bets in the process, and found that I could pretty much pick
most older japanese bikes.

Needless to say, I use a Krypton wheel lock on my new/used bike (CSR750).
     
Sleep tight.

O
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Wind Triangles?  What are they?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:02:47 GMT

In article <22939@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>Brice Dowaliby (bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU) wrote:
>> What the heck is a wind triangle?  I think that was the phrase
>> used (Aerostitch makes one, whatever it is).
>
>Well, let's see: if you know that the wind's from a certain direction, and you
>want to move (over the ground - aka "track") in another, you do a wind
>triangle on your trusty E6 computer to find the heading you should steer.

I thought the triangle was run up to the top of a long stick like object
called a mast, with the lower edge fastened to a horizontal stick called
a something or other (if it was on a bike, it'd be a trailing arm); the
net effect being to catch the wind and push the vehicle in some direction,
hopefully the desired one.  These wind triangles were also found in 
rectangular shapes on larger conveyances years ago ...


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!)
Keywords: cager,asshole
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct5.013350.1434@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>is "Assured Clear Distance Ahead" (IE: Failure to maintain).
>
>If you were so close to him that you couldn't avoid him when he stopped,
>what's the difference from him stopping suddenly because of:
>   1.  The proverbial dog running out
>   2.  Somebody pulled in front of HIM and he hit the somebody
>   3.  The car in front of him stopped or slowed suddenly
>   4.  etc

	I didn't see any of these as a possiblity... there were no cars in
front of him, or anywhere near him. I guess an unseen dog would have been
a possibility...

>(on his left) it's STILL your responsibility to make sure you have enough
>distance in front of you to stop / avoid as necessary.  
>
>Even though this is the law, it makes EVEN MORE sense when you are riding
>a bike to leave yourself escape space!

	However, this is still correct. Even if I didn't think he'd do
anything, I had nothing to lose and a lot to gain by not being as close to
him as I was. I still think he was driving badly, but I know it wasn't *all*
his fault.

	An interesting explanation for not leaving enough space is:
	guess how close to home I was... yep, less than a mile. Hmmmm.....

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:53:09 GMT

In article <daved.718300793@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>In <Ienxzv_00YUnAXpghH@andrew.cmu.edu> ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
>>Are you insane?  A Harley is far from one of the largest fastest bikes
>>around.  It's large sure, but outta the factory it has minimal power.
>>It also has relatively lazy steering and is quite stable (where it =
>>generalized Harley's).
>
>>Personally, I can't think of a new bike that's any better than
>>something like a sporty as a first bike.  Easy to ride, little power,
>>and looks great.  Plus, at least when I'm riding it, you don't feel
>
>Yeah right, You can say what you want, but there is no way in the world
>that you can put that much engine on a bike and not have a fairley high
>level of performance. I am not familier with HD's but I can't believe 
>that a 1200+ cc engine on a 600+ pound bike is a good choice for a first
>bike. 
>
>Granted an 883 might be OK for a first bike, but think about it.
>
>A young guy gets a Harley to make a fashion statement, with no idea of 
>how to ride, goes fast in a straight line, gets to a curve and what happens
>next?
>
>Dave
>DoD 1085
>

IMO, the Sporty is a far better first bike than most Japanese middleweights.
It has a nice linear power band, excellent stability, and good handling 
without being at all "twitchy". The low end torque and high vibration levels
combine to make a bike that is fun to ride at moderate speeds. The four 
cylinders are so smooth, for me there is virtually no sensation of speed, and
no thrill, till they're really flying. You've really got to work to make a 
Harley hustle, and it takes a serious squeeze to clamp the binders. This 
makes it less likely that a beginner will overreact, and thereby get into 
trouble unintentionally.

Jeff Achenbach
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: LOST THE KEY
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: sixgun.1aq592INNouj
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1246@javelin.sim.es.com, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>
>If your locks have numbers stamped on them, you can use that to get a
>new key cut, or buy one from your dealer. Of course this means that
>anyone else can do the same thing with your bike.

The numbers are stamped on the punch-out part of the key (where the DoD
fob-adorned key ring goes), not on the lock.

If you're no good with numbers, work it into a fictitious telephone
number by a name that will remind you of its significance.  Works with
PINs, too.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: harmons@mithril.wv.tek.com (Harmon Sommer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Spongy brakes
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1897
Reply-To: harmons@mithril.wv.tek.com (Harmon Sommer)
Distribution: usa

Someone posted that their front brakes felt spongy even after bleeding.

Check that the front wheel bearings are not loose and that the brake rotor
is not warped. Either of those conditions can "knock back" the pads into
the caliper slightly. This requires greater lever travel to get the pads
back in contact with the rotor when braking.

Also, see if rubber seals are used around the caliper pistons. These may be
retracting the pads back too far when the brakes are released.
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Summary: It's even better than Randy thinks!
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:14:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep30.185202.9770@megatek.com>, randy@ninja.megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

]   0-60 for the FJ1200 is in the 3.0 second range

The _worst_ test of an FJ1200 that included a 0-60 time that _I_ have
read said 2.7 seconds.  I forget the best time.
	
] For that matter, 0-60 for most sport-liter bikes is
] in the 3.0 and high 2's, the ZX-11 is supposedly 2.8.

Probably even better.  You must hit 60 in first - do you think it
takes 3 seconds to wind it to red?  I don't, and the numbers I've seen
agree.   

 
]   You'll have to do better than that for those wimpy cars.  I recall top-fuel
] dragsters and other real drag machinery making 0-60 in the less than 2.0
] second range, but that takes some special equipment, obviously.

According to a 1991 Cage & Cager article on top-fuel dragsters, they
hit 100 in about 1 second.  Makes sense - top speed of about 300, in
under 4 seconds.  

If I have too many references to C&C, can they revoke my DoD number?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory)
Subject: Re: Cold weather gear for the poor?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:11:51 GMT

In article <j403662@pro-haven.cts.com> shadow@pro-haven.cts.com 
(Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>Well, now that cold weather has reared its ugly head, the subject sez it all.
>I'm trying to figure out what I can wear to keep warm, since buying good
>stuff like Aerostitch or leathers is financially out of the question.  What
>is good for those of us who are, for one reason or another, stuck with a
>riding jacket and jeans?  Anyone tried anything like sweats or long-johns
>under the jeans?

Actually, leather by itself doesn't keep you warm. Leather with overlapping
pices around the zipper can keep you realtively windfree, but you need
something underneath to keep warm.

I recommend Thermax (or equivalent -- silk is actually better, but about twice
as expensive) underwear, a turtleneck shirt, sweater, heavy pants, and ski
gloves. I'm a big fan of gore-tex shells: keep the wind and water out, and
they aren't as expensive as full gore-tex suits. Try a down vest too (or a
down jacket). I wear a heavy leather jacket, with a nice collar that fastens
across the front.

-kdg
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:41:01 GMT

From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
}In article <92275.100137HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
}}1) It's Raining
}What's "Rain"?
}}2) Roads are icy
}What's "icy"?
}}3) Too cold
}What's "cold"?
}}4) Below 30 degrees (F)
}Oh. Usually our coldest night in San Jose is around 25-26F, and only
}for a couple of nights. Days, of course, are never so cold.
}}5) Its snowing
}What's "snow"? Oh, that stuff they have three hours away in Tahoe.

Note that these types of things build character, and separate
Real Bikers (tm) from posers. You haven't experienced the true
thrill of motorcycling till you've countersteered a shaft-driven
bike in a freezing rain with snow on the ground (tacking to
starboard with an Aerostitch Wind Triangle at the same time is
worth bonus points).

}}10) Ran over little girl chasing a tennis ball....wrecked bike.
}I keep tryin' but I always fixate on the ball and run over it
}instead....

}}Figured it out...for a good day (T/TH), average 30.8 MPH  (45 speedlimit ave)
}}Bad day (MWF) average slips to 19.6 MPH  (Same roads)  :-/

}Well, my very first morning commuting in the HOV lanes I was doing
}nearly 85 MPH and the BMW (cage) ahead of me was still pulling away.

}I love California.

Remind me to check with you about this after the next earthquake...

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Blue over blue pipes
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.193700.19121@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nejohnso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Neal Johnson) writes:
>
>
>
>
>I have noticed that the chrome pipes on many motos are blue.  How
>do they get that way, and how can I avoid it?  I have heard the
>following causes, please confirm or deny:
>
>- fuel mixture too lean
>
>- idling stationary (if true, how long can I idle before they
>  turn blue?)

While it is true that a richer mixture will probably slow the blue
color, your mixture is not always to lean because the pipes are 
turning blue.  A fuel mixture rich enough to stop the pipes from
turning blue is probably too rich and will waste gas and lower the
horsepower.

Blue pipes are just something that happens on some motorcycles.  Your
dealer will usually have a blue removing product.  I think the name
of it is something like "Blue Away."



--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 22:14:23 CET
From: Roy Jaques <RJAQUES@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stat du jour

Nick...
Tut,tutt,tutt Brussels to Calais via Lille ? Gent to Nieuwportthen over the fr
ench border is much more fun. There is the lovely empty autoweg followed by the
 bendy bit between the border posts.

Roy
(rjaques@estcs1.dnet.estec.esa.nl)
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:47:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep30.210132.18951@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>Well, I've yet to see a riding suit that would comfortably go over
>jeans...

alright, i've only ridden 20 miles in my aerostitch, so i'm no authority, but:

the aerostitch goes quite easily over jeans, even loose-fitting ones.  keeps
me warmer than leather as well.  not as threatening but certainly as attention-
getting ...

the deal on the 6-week wait for these suits seems manufactured.  the card that
came with mine listed all those who'd had a hand in the construction.  the
material was cut in *june* and not sewn until late august.  it appears to be
impeccably put together (seams look fine), everything lines up, the hip pads
went right in (hojo polito convinced me), all the padding/ballistics stay over
the proper areas (i tried twisting the sleeves/legs to see if my limbs might
somehow avoid the protective part of the suit -- nope).  since the rain ceased
the day before i got the suit, i'll withhold final judgement for a short while.
but everything points to money well-spent.

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