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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:33:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.172934.5606@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.170846.25007@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>Bleh!  This is the worst idea since MuchPolka, Canada's own 24-hour
>>polka station.
>
>Say, what is it with Canada and polka dancing?

My theory is that it's something in the water.  Dioxin or something.

Brian
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From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "In the Life"/Gay Comedian/Military Ban
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:41:06 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
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Sandy F. Smith, Jr. (sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: News to me.  Last I heard on this subject, he was planning to "consult" with
: military brass (who howled when Clinton announced he intended to keep this
: promise) and others about how best to implement a lifting of the ban. 

I liked the Sylvia cartoon in today's S.J. Mercury News:
  Panel 1: A notebook titled "The Rhino Series"
  Panel 2: Sylvia in her tub with the typewriter:
           [ ] 1. "I would enjoy explaining the necessity of ending
                   discrimination against gays in the military to Colin
                   Powell, Sam Nunn and some of the more rabid retired 
                   generals over a long weekend in a small room."
           [ ] 2. "I'd rather give a rhino a manicure in a mobile home
                   during a hurricane."

Goes up on the wall with my other cartoons which include a Non Sequitur
cartoon which has one panel with a pteradactyl carrying a caveman into
a nest.  Two birds are poised to eat the hapless caveman.  One of the birds
observing this scene says to another bird "We don't care as long as it's
not one of us.  We call that family values..."

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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:37:02 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
:There is no place where gays won't be harassed (unless they are closetted
:and in a community that thinks they do not exist).

4.5 years. Two catcalls.

							FJ!!
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:40:52 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
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In article <biff@kaa.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
|> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
|> >>To change the subject slightly, do you think it would be
|> >>immoral to shoot my neighbor's dog?  [not-so-shaggy dog story followed]
|> >If you have the neighbor's phone number, I would suggest calling him/her
|> >at all hours.  Simply say, "Your dog is barking" and hang up.  After 
|> >he/she has been awakened several times, they'll likely do something
|> >about it.
|> 
|> If the dog doesn't awaken this neighbour, why would a phone call?

Because it will interrupt the sexual liason between the dog and the
neighbor, cause the man to lose his erection and have to answer the
phone.


FWA
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Rudolph Nureyev, In Life 
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:58:06 GMT



On the evening news tonight I learned that Nureyev had at
last left this life.  He was 54.  According to the report,
he asked that his death be attributed only to "grave
illness," apparently not wishing to remembered for having
died from complications of HIV infection, as had been widely
reported in the press.

Nureyev, I fondly hope, will be remembered for ages, not for
the circumstances of his death, but for the brilliance of
his artistic acheivements.  He was in the most classical
terms not a perfect dancer, but in the departments of
dramatic scope and lyrical melding of delicacy and athletic
vigor, his dancing style was unique and invariably gripping.
Though I have seen him on film in several roles, I saw him
in only one live performance, here in Madison 18 years ago.
He danced in two works that night: Stravinsky's "Agon" (with
other guest artists) and in one of the most compelling dance
works I have ever seen, "Othello."  The latter piece was, I
believe, his own choreography, but what has stayed with me
since that wonderful evening was the almost incandescent
emotional projection of his performance.

I'm not really an expert on ballet, apart from the musical
aspects of the dance.  So perhaps some will disagree with me
when I say that I've always felt dance to be the most
paradoxical and cruel of the performance arts.  You spend a
lifetime -- professionally, a very brief one -- perfecting a
discipline of the body the very act of which destroys the
body.  If you are very, very good, you will reach your peak
at about 30 or 31, but in four or five seasons, the decline
will have set in to the point where even those who are not
experts will notice.  It was exactly at that point in his
career, already having a few bad days because of knee or
back injuries, that Nureyev danced here and I had the joy of
beholding his extraordinary creative powers before my own
eyes.

Because I am so grateful for that good fortune, and because
seeing him being helped onstage to greet a Paris audience at
a great gala a couple months ago brought tears to my eyes, I
hold now in my heart not the sadness of his loss, but rather
a lasting memory of the ineffible beauty he brought to
movement in life.

Rest in peace, Rudi.

(Copyright: Jess Anderson, 1993)
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:59:01 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>Greggie dear, is there *any* way you could get me a credit card? It
>doesn't even have to be a gold card or anything. I want one really
>bad, but that credit rating thing keeps getting in the way...

I think I want the same thing, but with some extras. Thanks to a solid
Dutch upbringing, I'm not exactly big on having debt somewhere, so
what I would like is a card too, but I'd like it to come with some
_big_ trustfund that pays off my credit-bill every month.

And I promise I will never call you 'Greggie dear' to get it.
								FJ!!
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:40:59 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Joseph Francis squeals:

Squeals? Honey, I know what his squeal sounds like, and this ain't it.

>[dreck deleted]  

As everyone who has had some emotional trauma knows:

Ignoring != Dealing with.
								FJ!!
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:02:23 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1993Jan6.213013.24907@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
> (stuff deleted for space)
>The article suggests that New York City ran into
>trouble with its similar "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum
>because it failed to include parents in developing the
>curriculum and is trying to introduce it to first-graders,
>rather than older kids (6th/7th graders), like other, more
>successful programs...

I'm sure that involving the parents and getting them to buy in is
a good way to gain acceptance for the programs, but what is
the objection to introducing these programs to first graders?
As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better on programs like
this.  In first grade, I'd think that the kids have a better chance
of having their preconceptions knocked loose, so to speak.  Sixth
and seventh graders are on the brink of adolescence, and I'd think
that they'd already have absorbed a world view that views same-sex
relationships in a negative light.  Or is that the point?

Peggy
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:14:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan9.051453.19777
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.204303.11220@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>
>I must wholeheartedly agree.  Nearly the first thing I do when I go
>home to Meridian, Mississippi is get in my car and fly across town to
>the Krystal and order about six.  Not too long after, I again jump in
>my car and race to Tuscaloosa to the nearest Krispy Kreme and get
>three or four dozen.  I'm making my mouth water just writing about it.
>
...and, of course, we shouldn't fail to mention the contributions 
Waffle House has made to civilization.  Traveling through the Southeast,
there is at least one Waffle House on each exit... in more popular
areas there are two Waffle Houses on one exit... one for those who 
turn left after the exit and one for those that turn right after the
exit ramp.
 
[] Urso


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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:22:47 GMT

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>Along the same lines, and quite yummy, is Hermes' men's
>Cologne (the blue bottle, *not* Equipage!).

What's wrong with that!

Right now, Equipage is the only scent I wear, sprayed very lightly on
my chest, when I know I'm going to  do  something that evening. I like
the top notes but I love the reaction I get to what is left a few hours
later...

Usually it takes a while before they even know that they are smelling
something artificial, it is very subtle. But loved.

>I'm also partial to Nina Ricci's Signoricci, 

My sister gave it to my father years ago. I like it.

							FJ!!
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:31:54 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1993Jan9.215414.10387@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
wrote:

> 	>>>>Now, how about trying to be an objective core relative?
> 	>>>You first.
> 	>>You flunk.  You can't believe how disappointed I am with this line.
> 	>
> 	>Once again, I'm not here to impress you. Secondly, there is no
> 	>such thing as "objective."
> 
> Didn't care much for English lit, did you?  This was a _pun_, George.
> It has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I take it you won't be adding him to your class of objective
friends?  Really, Stephen, you've been entirely too pleasant
with the boob.  You may as well dump him from your core, and
be done with it.

*X*
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Stealth camp
Originator: hughes@dogwood
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:31:32 GMT

  Amidst the usual barrage of nonsense phrases and vapid
  aphorisms, the following zinger was found in the 
  after dinner cookie at our favorite chinese restaurant:

     :) Generosity and perfection are your 
	everlasting goals  (:

  Wayne

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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 06 Jan 93 21:51:03 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1993Jan5.190847.17365@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
[deletions]
>
>Buying it takes weeks?  A pediculicide like A-200 or Kwell works in one
>application.  Just remember to wash the sheets as well.
>

And the towels. And make sure your regular sex partner(s)
doses him or themselves as well. I had a lot of fun in the
mid-70s passing the little cuties back and forth, back and
forth, until we finally got coordinated.

Steve mentions reading the label (to get the ingredients). I
had quite a giggle when I read the little sheet that came
with my first bottle (oh the 70s, what memories!). Under the
rubric of how to tell if you have crab lice, it advised that
if a freckle waves at you, you have crabs. I was still
dropping a little acid now and again at the time, so this
information was especially interesting.


-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian Mayor of Santa Monica, CA: Judy Abdo?
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:47:09 GMT
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
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(this my third attempt at posting this)

In article <9212290629.AA165085@sub.aix.rpi.edu> Ron Buckmire,
buckmr@rpi.edu writes:
(Hi, Ron!)

>The November newsletter of the Stonewall Democratic Club of Los Angeles
>reports that Judy Abdo, the Mayor of Santa Monica won re-election easily
>on November 3rd.
Judy Abdo is a member of the city council.  As I understand it, the
councilmembers take turns at being mayor, which is basically just the
chair of the council.  As a citizen of Santa Monica, I voted for her.  I
believe she got the most votes.  We also passed a city charter reform
measure which included (along with medical and dental benefits and a
raise to $600/month salary [from $50] for the council) term limits.  I
don't quite remember when her time would expire.

>They also said that she is a lesbian! This is the first report I have
heard of a
>lesbian mayor in the USA; I know of 4 other gay mayors.

She didn't make her lesbianism an issue.  She's considered a liberal and
a supporter of renters' rights and that's why she was elected.  In SM,
you have to be endorsed by the renters' rights group in order to win.  I
knew that she's a lesbian because I saw it on an old list from HRCF.  

In the congressional race, Mark Robbins (R) ran unsuccessfully against
Henry Waxman (D) for the district which includes SM and West Hollywood. 
He's openly gay and pro-choice.  On his campaign signs in WeHo, there was
a pink triangle sticker on the sign.  In SM, the sticker wasn't applied,
revealing a blue star.  I found that kinda interesting, since SM is
considered very liberal ("The Peoples Republic of Santa Monica").  

While we're speaking of Santa Monica, is there an anti-discrimination
law?  Any indication of a DP law?  The latter is very important, since my
landlord won't let my boyfriend move in on the grounds that I can't have
a roommate.

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:42:13 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Jess Anderson writes:

>>But the point here is, you're being more than a little
>>acid-tongued yourself, and you've consistently excoriated
>>Arne for some little time.  There can hardly be a sentient

>True enough; but I don't manufacture items to deride people
>over, as Arne has done with me. Nor do I go off on people
>at (seemingly) random.

I'm not going to say it...

This is getting way too ugly; I'm just going to step away and wait for
it to end. I'd suggest that everyone else do the same.

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Another Group Joins Boycott
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:25:00 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

I haven't verified this yet, but I noticed that my company is now
offering Ski weekends to Wyoming instead of the usual Colorado.  If your
company offers such weekends, you might want to ask the person
in-charge to at least look into Utah, Wyoming, California, or even
Canada (the last one might be more interesting to those never having
been out of the country).

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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: therblig (was Re: zw{i,a}cky matters)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada


|>>In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon
<SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
|>>>
|>>>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth

Gilbreth as in 'Cheaper by the Dozen'; Frank and Lillian.  The Gilbreths
invented time and motion study.

First time in a long time I've caught Graydon out, tsk tsk.
                  
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:55:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <18301@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>(stuff deleted for brevity)
>I commend you for  answering them, but don't hold your breath waiting
>for these bozos to change because you read them the riot

Right on, Owen.

Peggy
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Glendale
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:38:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <thaaang.726566881@cwis> 
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> Is there actually a Boy's Town in a place other than Omaha? I thought
> Omaha was the only city with one.

"Boys' Town" is that stretch of Santa Monica Blvd. in western
West Hollywood that has the highest concentration of gay bars
in the smallest area anywhere in the world.  (No, I haven't checked.
Yes, I'd be willing to bet.)  That three or four block stretch
of The Boulevard (yes, just like "The City") has been known as 
Boys' Town for as long as I can remember, and even the West 
Hollywood City Council refers to it by that name.  And Boys'
Town has more than just gay bars (perhaps 10 in a 3 block stretch).
It has several (pretty dismal) gay restaurants, a couple of gay
coffee houses, a couple of banks (although Sheldon Andelson's
Tallulah Bank is no longer), a few video stores (including Video
West, a movie queen's dream come true), and Koontz Hardware, my 
favorite hardware store in the entire world because it's staffed 
entirely by the dizziest interior decorator queens you could ever 
hope to buy a Philips screwdriver from.

Arne
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
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Subject: Men's Colognes revisited
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:50:15 GMT
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One of my favorite Men's Colognes is closely connected to the scent
of a man I had a crush/infatuation for during my undergraduate
years. We used to study together in the evenings and on Saturdays.
I remember sitting across the table from him in the library
and smelling him while I studied. He wore Jovan's "Sex Appeal"
which I considered an appropriate label for the effect he had
on me. There were times when we would be talking and I would be
leaking just talking to and being near him. The only guy who has ever
had that profound an effect on me. (Alas, he is straight, and
just got married last year. Kind of par for the course for me.)

Does anyone know if Jovan still markets that fragrance?

Gary Byma
From: rwab1@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ralph Becket)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:18:15 GMT
Reply-To: Ralph.Becket@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1993Jan5.112023.5929@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Reminds me: I'm still looking for the name of the trope in
>which the thing named is an example of itself.
>

The word is "ontological" and it's opposite is "heterological". For
example, "big" is heterological, whereas "word" is ontological. This
leads to the interesting paradox as to whether the word "heterological"
is heterological or ontological.

Just my tuppenyworth contribution.
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From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Subject: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:40:40 GMT

I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men. 

Does anyone have any idea what the most popular
may be within the gay community. Is there any special
preference? Are the manufacturers aware of this?

Perhaps we could have nominations and take a vote.

-- 
Bill
will@wixer.cactus.org

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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:57:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.164420.25075@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.162207.13155@osf.org>
>coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>
>>On the other hand, anyone willing to pay $250/oz really doesn't care
>>what it costs, or how it got that way, do they?
>
>Frankly, at $4.80/lb, I consider Total Corn Flakes to
>be the greater ripoff.  Even at $250/(fluid) oz, the daily
>expenditure for scent would be an insignificant fraction of
>the cost of any such basic food.

I keep thinking about how many pounds rice and potatoes I could buy and
give to the local food banks for $250.  A single fluid ounce of smelly
chemical could feed a person for a month.

Why do I suddenly have a very bad taste in my mouth?

Brian
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