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From: dinsmm@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore)
Subject: Univega? Bridgestone? Advice & Answers, please!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:33:40 GMT

Questions                    Comments                      Answers

I  am  planning on getting a new mountian bike  in  the  $5OO-$6OO 
range.   I would like a chromoly frame,  round chainrings, Shimano 
5OOLX or better,  S.I.S. (friction) shifters (I dislike RapidFire) 
as a minimum.

Looking  at  some of the local stores I have come up  with  a  few 
possibilities,  and would like some comments and experience if you 
wouldn't  mind  helping  me  out a little.   I  am  looking  at  a 
Bridgestone MB-5  a Univega Alpina Pro (maybe with RockShox 2O) 
Any other good recommendations that I might overlook?  I have also 
looked at Nishiki,  Kastle,  Cannondale,  and Specialized.  I went 
over  15O  miles  to go to 3 bicycle shops  (I  live  in  Northern 
Vermont) and no other brands are carried.   Am I looking at a  bad 
time?  All the salesmen told me that the new models will be coming 
in  3O-9O  days so selection is goig to be bad.   Should  I  wait?  
Should I not buy any of the forementioned bis and wait till I 
k  to college and look in the ops that they  have  in 
that area (Albany)?

Any   good  advice,   comments,   or  answers  would  be   greatly 
appreciated, and if possible, sent to:  dinsmm@rpi.edu.  Thank you

/\/\ike|\                                            Pedal On,
       |/insmore                                     dinsmm@rpi.edu
From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: pros in olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:05:10 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <BsxH3y.1yA@scd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
>: By the way, when will tractor-pulls & monster truck races be allowed
>: in the Olympics?  All too soon, I fear.
>
>Also for the benefit of those out of range of US TV transmissions, what
>exactly are tractor-pulls?  I'm sure I could guess roughly, but I might miss
>some of the nuances (:-).
>
Andrew, you can check out American Gladiators on ITV NightTime some time
between 1 and 3 AM Sunday morning. Personally I prefer 'Get Stuffed'! ;-)

Marcus Harvey, Polytechnic of Central London IRS
marcus@uk.ac.pcl.sun - JANET  marcus%sun.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN

                                                          ...Bubble Up!
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Drillium
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:38:50 GMT

In article <1449@seqp4.sequoia.com> alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle) writes:
>Also at that time some company was selling very light seatposts
>made of Lexan (??). He bought one, drilled it out, and rode with it. Naturally
>it broke, sent him crashing to the ground. Not to be deterred by one "faulty"
>seatpost, he bought another - but used a smaller diameter drill bit
  Did this guy not measure the weight difference.  My seatpost is chopped and
drilled and after having done it once I would not bother to do it again.  The
weight difference is insignificant.  Most of the weight is in the lousy
head/clamp design (I started doing simple tests to see where the center of
gravity was and had measured the weights before and after all changes).
  Your best bet is to have a water bottle and a cheap holder; accidently 
"drop" the bottle just as the sprint is starting and kill two birds with one
stone (ie being lighter and getting a surprise roll on a D6).  Yes I have done
that too but I threw the bottle at the ditch 12km and 600' from the finish
(300' uphill sprint and I took it by a tire after chasing the whole lap). Of
course that was not a real race, just a club thing with a bunch of II's and
the odd pro, and it was handi-capped (much more fun than doing the Cat IV
horizontal slide).
  - Eric
//  This is your head,  this is the pavement.  This is a psychotoic helmet
//    worshiper with nothing else to do but drone on about how you should
//    worry about an infintesimally small odd being multiplied by a small 
//    chance of great dammage.
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

I made the switch to all presta valves on my road as well as mountain bikes
with no problem, no washers, etc.  I realized I could do this when I bought
a new mountain bike last October and discovered it came with presta valved
tubes.  So I put presta valved tubes onto old mountain bike too and haven't
used or bought a schrader since.

---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627

From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:03:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Sweat
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

 kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

>My problem is that I sweat more than I can replace during a long run, ride, or
>triathlon.  I once calculated that I lost 1 ounce per minute on a 1.5 hour
>ride, and 1 pound per mile during a run.  My body starts hurting pretty badly
>from the loss, and my bike starts rusting pretty badly, too.  My question is:
>can I do anything about it?  Is there some mineral/chemical imbalance in my
>system that causes me to sweat so profusely?  How can I find out?  Am I stuck
>by my genetics, or can I alter my diet somehow?  What is the body's maximum
>absorption rate for water?

I've heard that when you begin to sweat quickly and fairly copiously, it's
a sign of good conditioning - your cooling system is responding quickly
and effectively.  It becomes a problem when fluid loss exceeds 3% of total
body weight.  At that point your muscles find it hard to function well
and you will notice a drop-off in your performance.  (Jenssen, _Training,
Lactate, Pulse Rate_)

As far as I know, the only solution is to try and drink more during your 
rides and runs.

-Bud
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:15:36 GMT

Terry Thiel writes:

  {in response to my endorsement of SPD pedals}
< I know alot of people like these pedals but I think it should be mentioned
< that they allow no lateral rotation.  At least thats what people tell me.

Thanks for the rumor.  Maybe you want to tell us about your own experience
which might be a bit bore accurate, I assume.  At least you included the
disclaimer that this is merely hearsay, others have often left that to the
imagination.

I suspect that because SPD came along after most people had equipped
themselves with other systems, a certain defensiveness is a natural response.
Pedals are not cheap but then I wouldn't rush to dissuade others from moving
into a more convenient pedal system.  What I see in the SPD is that walking,
which is an important function of shoes has previously been largely ignored.
SPD finally addresses that aspect and has don it well.  In doing so two
major concerns are resolved: 1. Normal walking;  2. No cleat wear (from
walking).  In addition, rotation is adjustable in stiffness and the cleat is
steel so that engagement is repeatably positive.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re:Re: Campy pulls a Shimano -- buy another tool
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:49:26 GMT

David Keppel writes:

> A mechanic told me that some current Campagnolo cranksets have one
> dustcap reverse threaded.  To pull the crankarm you need either the
> Campy version of the Sugino/Autex One-Key Release (tm, probably) or
> a special left-hand threaded crank puller.  This is incredibly stupid
> if it's true.  Why pay less?

and Jeff Jennings goes on to explain that the Chorus and Record cranks
have an integral 7mm Allen screw and cap that both installs and removes
the crank.  This arrangement is not to the mechanics liking because the
Allen wrench is too small to easily torque on the bolt and equally
inadequate to remove the crank.  Because the major force on the "cap"
occurs during extraction, it must have a left hand thread to not unscrew
during this process (the retaining bolt having a right hand thread).

To make these cranks usable for racing teams, this beauty gimmick is
removed in favor of conventional crank bolts and extractor.  The
extractor has a left hand thread, obviously.  I found the Allen bolt
clumsy and inadequate but that didn't matter, the Record cranks broke
in less than 2500 miles so I switched to Dura Ace.  The rub is that
Dura Ace fits on Campagnolo BB's but not on the Record (new series)
so I also got a new BB.  Fortunately when the Dura Ace crank broke
I had a spare set of old Campagnolo cranks to hold me over until I
could get a new crank.  These last about two years or so.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re. Max heartrates
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:08:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>Pardon me for being naive, or possably ignorant, but exactly how does one
>calculate a maximum heart rate?  I'm 38 with a resting heartrate of 48.

The old approximate is 220 - your age.  This varies quite a bit.

>Also what is the purpose(s) of having this information?

Gives us armchair athletes something to discuss when we're out for beers.

A secondary use is as a guide for training.  If you have a Heart Rate Monitor, 
you can much more accurately work out at a target percentage of maximum if you
have had your maximum measured.

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From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 18 Speed MTB for sale
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:42:13 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I have a 18 speed mountain bike for sale:

CONDITION: Brand new(Never been used with warrantee)
ASKING FOR: $138(including all shipping charges)

MODEL: MTB26A
FRAME: 26" X 21 MTB frame, color painted
FORk: 1" Unicrown
HANDLEBAR: MTB straight type, black
HANDLEBAR STEM: steel, black
TIRES & TUBES: 26" X 1.75 X 36H, steel, C-P
SADDLE: MTB saddle, Taiwan made
SPOKES: 14G
BRAKE SYSTEM: cantilever brake, Taiwan made
DERAILLEUR: 18 speed, Taiwan made
FREEWHEEL: 6 speed
CRANK: cotterless type
GRIP/PAD: MTB rubber foam
CHAIN COVER: round type, steel, C-P
STAND: side kick stand
PEDALS: plastic, black
REFLECTOR: 4 pcs
PACKING: 52 X 7 X 28 in
G.W.: 45 lbs

You can respond by email.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: All that fat
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:53:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Looking at the calory counter in the latest Bicycling! I note
that they claim that a Tour de France rider uses some 6,000
calories per day. I think that you can only recover some
30% of the calories eaten so that means that you have to eat
some 20,000 calories.

Even if you are 50% efficient I would like to see you get that
many calories inside without eating _lots_ of fat. You just
don't have a big enough or fast enough digestive track unless
you are part Hippo. :-)
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lead and Commuting
Keywords: Commuting pollution
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:11:06 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <10184@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91) writes:
>
>Typically, cyclists have HALF the pollution levels of car drivers.  I
>heard that this is due to the enclosed space of a car trapping fumes,
>while a cyclist is in the open air.  It was all published in a BMA report
>earlier this year.  They said that a person who started cyling 60 miles
>a week from the age of 35 would add around 2.5 year to their life due
>to the health benifits.  I think it's the car drivers who should be
>worring about fumes :)
>

60 miles @ 10mph x 52 weeks x 35 years before kicking the bucket
= 10920 hours = 1.25 years of cycling.

Hey, you win some time, AND enjoy yourself !!

What about the extra 2.5 years you gain, x 60 miles @ 10 mph x 52
= another 32.5 days.

In the last 32.5 days of your life you could do a few more hours cycling,
which increases your life span a bit more.....	

No flames thanks, I can integrate too.


============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:23:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.132450.27265@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
|> 
|> er, didnt a geezer called Galileo use the leaning tower of Pisa to
|> demonstrate that heavy objects fall at the same speed as light ones?
|> (he dropped a cannon ball and a bullet off the top, and they landed
|> together. 
|> 
|> While the accelaration, and speed should be similar, the momentum will
|> differ of course,[ momemtum = mass * velocity ]
|> but this will not affect the speed directly, apart
|> from providing kinetic energy to overcome losses due to friction).

Ah, but the acceleration due to gravity is limited by the terminal
velocity of the object in question.  Reduce the frontal area (or whatever)
or increase the mass, and you get a higher terminal velocity.  So, I'd
think, if two objects (riders plus water bottles) have the same frontal
area, and one weighs more than the other, the heavier one will have a
higher terminal velocity.  An extreme example of this is a man with a
parachute in the pack, and a man with a parachute deployed:  they have the
same mass, but one has a much higher terminal velocity.

Bigger riders descend faster than smaller riders (on hills, not
necessarily out of airplanes), all other things being equal?  Correct me
if I'm wrong, I'm in software (Q:  how many software engineers does it take
to change a light bulb?  A:  none; that's a hardware problem).
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From: davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis)
Subject: Re: Anybody seen the August "Winning"?
Organization: College of Science, University of Utah
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:26:43


on Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:04:45 GMT,
jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis) said:

>> I am a subscriber to Winning and have yet to receive the August issue.  Has
>> anyone else experienced this problem or has mine somehow been lost in the mail?
>> I'd phone them but the toll-free number doesn't work overseas and I don't feel
>> like spending money on a phone call.  Perhaps some kind soul would like
>> to phone the toll-free number and enquire on my behalf?


I have the *September* issue.


--------------------------------------------------------------
 
 Darrell R. Davis 
 Medicinal Chemistry 
 University of Utah 
  
--------------------------------------------------------------

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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:20:59 GMT

davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis) writes:
>In article <Bstyrn.58@csn.org> limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim) writes:
>>In article <Bstw0q.2zM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>>BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>>>>I strongly recommend SPD pedals because with these pedals and their
>>...stuff deleted
>>>I know alot of people like these pedals but I think it should be mentioned
>>>that they allow no lateral rotation.  At least thats what people tell me.
>>SPD pedals DO allow for lateral rotation.  The range of rotation is not 
>>completely "free", however - there's a slight "return-to-center" force 
>>when your foot is in a rotated position.  Thus, it is important to have
>>the cleat/pedal alignment fit you properly.
>The 737 (XT) pedals have more roataion than the 525 (LX).  There is about 4
>degrees free, then more with some return force (XT).  The LX pedals always
>have a some return force.  The release tension adjustment also adjusts
>(simultaneously) how much centering force.  You can set it VERY low, so it
>is VERY sloppy.  Sloppier than the Look arc cleats.  I have the tension on
>mine all the way up on the road bike, very low for quick release on the
>mountain bike.
I don't think we're talking about free rotation in the sense of Time pedals,
this sounds like the SPD's have a little "give" to them which is nothing like
the lateral rotation built into Time pedals.  I've only ridden SPD's once and
for a short period of Time (pun intended) but they didn't feel anything like
free roation.  I'm not saying they're not good pedals, just that some of us
need lots of movement for knee problems or for a peculiar cycling gait.
-Terry
From: rpo@trsvax.tandy.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Calories expended as a function of
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:55:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com:16288:trsvax:2600010:000:193
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!rpo    Aug 12 17:55:00 1992


Refer to 'Bicycling Science' by Dr....damn, forgot his
name in the middle of the sentence. Anyone else remember?

No...Wait..Edmund Burke. That's the name.

Paul Opitz
Radio Shack Publications
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Recumbents-tell me about 'em
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:37:41 GMT

Can someone with experience tell me about recumbents? How do you like
them? What do you notice most that's different about a recumbent as compared
to a regular bike? How much do they cost, and what makes are best? Are there
options to be aware of.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: A different twist on the taxes issue
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:47:42 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bt77nB.99y@math.uwaterloo.ca> arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper) writes:
>
>But nobody asks bicyclists to pay any registration or usage fees.  It
>hardly seems fair to withdraw a privilege on the basis that it has not
>been paid for if no effort is ever made to collect the payment.  Is
>there in fact, any way in which bicyclists can, as individuals or
>organizations, voluntarily make contributions towards road construction
>and maintenance?

Sure, pay your income and property taxes.  That more than covers the 
damage your bike does to the road and your fraction of road building
expense.  If your highways are like those in the U.S., your National income
taxes are also going toward a highway system you are prohibited from
using.  You're probably paying more than your share already.

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Marc Boudreau
Subject: CANADIAN MAIL-ORDER
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:22:04 GMT

HI,
 
     Well I've finally recovered enough from this year's edition of 
     the Hull Festival (the IME riders made us ride balls out). I 
     found a few phone numbers for Canadian mail-order firms for
     those that are interested.

     Racelink: 1-800-267-7223    Fax: 1-416-566-5301
               Excellent Service and prices that are
               quite comparable to American mail-order
               when the exchange and taxes are figured in.
 
     Velotique: 1-800-363-3171   
               Family run business that deals in bicycle 
               accessories (no bikes or components). 
               Excellent service.
 
      There are others, amongst them La Bicycletta in Toronto
      who promises the lowest prices anywhere in Canada as well
      as Racer Sportif whose prices are OK but their specials
      are amazing. If I can dig up some phone numbers for these
      two places I'll post them.
 
      Have fun, ride hard
      Marc
From: bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com (Bill Bushnell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat, low cholesteral, homicide
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:50:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computing Systems

In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
|> I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
|> They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
|> are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.

The article starts on page B5 and continues on page B7 of the New York Times,
Tuesday August 11, 1992.

|> The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
|> then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
|> cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?

This is rather disquieting news for me as my cholesterol has been measured
variously from 70 to 100 over the last seven years.  Then again, maybe I
should fashion a rearward-facing sign for my bike reading something like:

	Warning: Low-cholesterol bicyclist prone to homicidal
                 attacks on rude motorists!  Stay clear!

-- 
bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:25:05 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Is there anyone on the net who's keeping track of the women's Tour de France
that's on at the moment?   Down here I can get about three lines in the paper
every other day,  and with a couple of Kiwis in the top ten I'd like to see how
they're going. 

E-mail's fine,  it doesn't seem as though the women's side is
interesting the newsgroup much (stir stir).

Thanks in advance, 

Jonathan Dodd,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton
New Zealand (yay team)
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wincanton Classic results
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:08:23 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


Results of the Wincanton Classic - World Cup ranking race 16th August 1992.

Reputed to be the toughest course used for a British road race - 147 miles
of tough moorland roads including two ascents of the 1st category
Holme Moss climb.  Race began and finished in Leeds.

Results

1. M. Ghirotto (Carrera, It)	6hr 21min 23sec (23.1 mph; 37.00 kph)
2. L. Jalabert (ONCE, Fr)	+1min 10sec
3. B. Cenghialta (Ariostea, It)	+2:14
4. C. Chiapucci (Carrera, It)	+2:36
5. F. Jeker (Helvetia, Swit)	same time
6. R. Alcala (PDM, Mex)		+3:04

27. D. Rayner (Buckler, GB)	+13:19		(22.3 mph; 35.7 kph)
28. M. Earley (PDM, Irl)
36. S. Kelly (Festina, Irl)
51. R. Millar (TVM, GB)		all same time

Team Positions

1. Ariostea			12 pts
2. Helvetia			9
3. PDM				8

World Cup Placings

1. O. Ludwig (Panasonic, Ger)	101 pts
2. J. Museeuw (Lotto, Bel)	74
3. Alcala			72
4. G. Duclos-Lassalle (Z, Fr)	64
5. D. De Wold (Gatorade, Bel)	58
6. Chiapucci			55

9= Kelly			50

Overall team rankings

1. Buckler			52 pts
2. Tulip			41
3. Panasonic			38

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"He not only moved the goalposts, he dug up the pitch
   and took the ball home as well."
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