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From: Howard Moskovitz <howard@locus.com>
Subject: Persistent Buss Error in Sys 7
Organization: Locus Computing Corp.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:40:14 GMT

I have had a problem ever since I started to run System 7
which had not gone away with the tuneup, and which
persists even if I turn off all of my non-essential
extensions. The one extension I have to keep on is MacTCP
since my mail and telnet/ftp depend on it, and I on them.

The problem is a recurrent bus error that happens randomly
and has occurred in practically every app I run. It *seems*
to happen most frequently when the machine is about to perform
a screen operation (which leads me to believe it is a problem
with 32 bit quickdraw). The message I get when I trap out to
MacsBug is

	Bus error at <address> <routine>
	while reading long word FFFFFFFF in Supervisor data space
	
where <address> and <routine> vary depending on which
application happens to be active when I get the bus error.

My system configuration is as follows:

	Mac IIcx / 8 meg / RasterOps 264 video card 
	System 7 with System 7 tuneup
	MacTCP 1.1 (essential)
	Suitcase 2.0 (essential)
	A varie of other extensions and cdevs that I could probably
	live without.
	
Has anyone else out there come across this problem? If you have
do you have a solution or work around? APPLE, what do you have
to say?

Thanks,
Howard
+---------------------------------------+
| Howard Moskovitz | howard@locus.com   |
| Locus Computing  +--------------------+
| Inglewood, CA                         |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kenw@skyler.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein)
Subject: Coming soon: System 7 Updater 1.1.1
Organization: Informations Systems, Alberta Research Council
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:32:43


  Yesterday I tried to install the System 7 Updater v1.1 on my SE, which
was running System 7.0 and Updater 1.0.  From then on, whenever I tried to
use my Chooser, I got an error -199 or -97.

  I called an Apple contact about it.  He advised me not to use Updater
1.1, and that 1.1.1 would be out in a few days.

  This is all unofficial, of course, but I know what I'm going to do :-}.

/kenw
--
/kenw

Ken Wallewein                                                   A L B E R T A
kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca                                           R E S E A R C H
(403)297-2660                                                   C O U N C I L
From: shoemake@apple.com (Mike Shoemaker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Powerbooks and Laserwriter IIf don't talk to each other
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:20:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: goofy.23438

In article <703166908.14313@minster.york.ac.uk>, rod@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 
> Hello everyone, I wonder if anyone could help me with a small problem.
> We have several powerbooks (100s and 140s), some Classic IIs, and a
> Laserwriter IIf.
> 
> Problem:  The powerbooks cannot "see" the IIf when I try to select it
> in the Chooser.  The machines are connected direct via a simple
> Localtalk cable.  The powerbooks are running system 7.0.1 with
> Tuneup 1.1.1.
> 
> If I try the same setup with the Classic II, all is well - the
> IIf appear in the Chooser menu as expected and all works fine.
> 
> Anyone got any idea why this is?
>   Thanks in advance,
>    Rod Chapman
>    rod@minster.york.ac.uk
> 
>
I bet you've installed AppleTalk Remote Access on that machine?

Open the network control panel. I bet you see 'Remote Only' highlighted
instead of 'Printer Port' Select printer port, and all will be well.

(Don't feel bad; I work in the same group as ARA was developed, and I also
do Appletalk stuff. It took me 20 minutes to figure out why my brand-new
PowerBook didn't see my LaserWriter at home....)

The ARA installer silently changes your network connection from LocalTalk to
'Remote Only' if AppleTalk is off in the Chooser at the time the installer
is run.

Mike Shoemaker
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: QuickTime Startup Movie summary
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:08:13 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <qv1tvkk@rpi.edu> johnsd2@rpi.edu writes:

>I was doing just this. Somebody mentioned it, I tried again (This time
>doing it right), and foudn that (a) ResEdit could not resolve my
>Startup Movie as an alias (funny, this) (b) when it opened the alias
>itself, there were movie resources (c) when I made a new alias of hte
>same movie, it behaved normally (like an alias) and it would not work
>as a startup movie.

Sounds to me like the Quicktime init is playing games with the alias
manager-- it probably puts the quicktime equivalent of a pointer to
the original movie as well as the finder alias resource.
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
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From: nerm@apple.com (Dean Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Tuneup 1.1.1 is at ftp.apple.com !!
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:20:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr11.183828.12967@lonex.rl.af.mil>, longj@lonex.rl.af.mil (Jeffrey K. Long) writes:
> 
> I just noticed that tuneup 1.1.1 is at ftp.apple.com!!  Time is listed as
> very late on Friday night, so someone at apple was working hard on this fix!
> 
> But, when will we see an explaination of why it was needed?  There is no
> hint in apple's tuneup1.1.1.txt file as to why it is needed or what it fixes.
> 
> I am hoping it will fix some of the quirks I have noticed with my new
> Quadra 900, but it would be nice to see an official notice of its release.
> 

  For the record, and so all the second guessing will stop, the ONLY reason
there is a TuneUp 1.1.1 at all is because 1.1 was compiled with the wrong
version of a header file, causing the "Application Assassin" to crash.   This
is the code that brings up a dialog suggesting an application to quit to allow
another application to run in low memory situations.  Nothing else was changed
between 1.1 and 1.1.1.

  -- Dean Yu
     Blue Meanie, Negative Ethnic Role Model, Window Cleaner,
      Skanky Hack Consultant, etc.
     Apple Computer, Inc.
     "Normality is restored.  Anything you can't deal with is your own
       problem."

 
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From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Problems with Apple Internet Router
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:37:30 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <diessel.703268572@gretchen>, diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel) writes:
> 
> I just tried to install Apple's Internet Router on a Mac IIcx with System 7
> and failed...
> 

The new Network Software Installer 1.2 includes a script to install the
AppleTalk Internet Router software correctly under System 7.

The AppleTalk Internet Router and System 7 are compatible, with two
exceptions: virtual memory and 32-bit addressing.  Here is the manual installation
procedure as found on page 100-101 of the "System 7 Group Upgrade Guide":

Installing the router software on a System 7 Macintosh:

1) Install System 7 along with EtherTalk or TokenTalk.

2) Insert the AppleTalk Internet Router 2.0 disk.

3) Open the System file on the router disk.  The System window lists desk
   accessories and fonts.

4) Drag the Router desk accessory to the System Folder icon on your System
   7 hard disk.  A dialog asks "Put this desk accessory into the Apple         
   Menu Items folder?"

5) Click OK.

6) Close the System window.

7) From the AppleTalk Internet Router 2.0 disk's System Folder, drag the
   following files to your System Folder:

   * LocalTalk (Modem)
   * LocalTalk (Built-in)
   * Router

   A dialog asks, "Put these items into the places they belong?"

8) Click OK.

9) Restart your Macintosh computer.

* Note: Be sure the Router DA is copied first, not the Router setup document.

Upgrading a router Macintosh to System 7:

1) With the AppleTalk Internet Router 2.0 already installed bot not running, install System 7.

2) Restart the Macintosh.

3) Open the System Folder and drag the following files to the Extensions folder:

   * LocalTalk (Modem)
   * LocalTalk (Built-in)

   All other files are moved to their correct locations by the Installer.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: news@email.tuwien.ac.at
Subject: Re: Problems with Apple Internet Router
Reply-To: gollmann@edvz.tuwien.ac.at (Georg Gollmann)
Organization: Technical University of Vienna, Austria
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:27:54 GMT

In article <diessel.703268572@gretchen> 
diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel) writes:
> I just tried to install Apple's Internet Router on a Mac IIcx with 
System 7
> and failed. 
Have you turned virtual memory OFF ?!
When first trying to install the router I found I could have any two of: 
VM, system extensions, router, but not all three together. I have since 
been running the router on a Mac IIfx and am now running it on a plain Mac 
II under System 7 without problems (as long as VM is off). 

> The Internet Router is a quite old piece of software. Is there a new 
router
> under developement at Apple? I would suggest that Apple finds a new 
solution
> for this routing problem which appears also when you have a EtherTalk 
network
> and a LaserWriter. So I hope for TuneUp 1.2.
> 
I second that !


Dipl.Ing. Georg Gollmann           gollmann@edvz.tuwien.ac.at
TU-Wien, EDV-Zentrum               +43 (222) 58801/3611 (voice)
Gusshausstr. 25                    +43 (222) 505 68 49  (fax)
A-1040 Wien, Austria
From: dewhirst@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Rob Dewhirst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Latest Tuneup bug? (was hoses File Sharing)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:19:58 CDT
Organization: KU Museum of Invertebrate Paleontology

[Arthur explains bug in File Sharing:]> 
> I eventually replaced only the File Sharing Extension with the 7.0.1 version, 
> and everything came back to normal.
> 
> What gives?  Anyone else see this?  Is there a better fix?  Thanks
in advance.

Apple Software Licensing called me today and told me to stop
distribution of Tune-up version 1.1. Apparently they discovered a bug
will have a fix out in the next couple of days.

They were not specific about the problem.  This could have been it.

Rob.

-- 
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The MacRocosm BBS:(913) 841-9446 v.32 1:280/108 - Licensed Apple Distributors
G. Roddenberry 1921-1991                       America Online: Echopapa, LAUG
From: auerbach@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: New Speed Beep in the works
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.115700.2302@ducvax.auburn.edu>, cwagar@ducvax.auburn.edu (Clayton Wagar * Auburn University * KD4IDN) writes:

> Robert is currently developing a new version of both Speed Beep and Helium.
> These products are appropriately named Speed Beep Pro and Helium Pro. I'm a
> beta tester, and I can tell you we're getting new versions quite regularly. I
> can also tell you the the new Speed Beep looks _really cool_. The interface is
> redesigned, and the whole thing is much slicker.
> 
> However, the new versions, from what I understand, will be commercial.
> Actually, part of a commercial package of utilities (probably like Now or
> something). 
> 
SO wwhat about us users who paid our shareware fee?  I guess were out of luck? 
This kind of gripes me es me a bit since I paid mine.  And I never received any
notification that Speed Beep 2.0.6 was released from the author!  I posted the
original question about SB vs Disinfectant and some kind soul out there
informed me that2.0.6 was available from sumex.  Version 2.0.6 has a creation
date of July 1991, almost 9 months ago!  I thought part of the shareware
agreement was that I pay my fees, the author keeps me updated.

I'm going to continue I'm going to continue paying shareware fees because I
want to keep things kosher.  But I sure hope authors out there reciprocate by
sending/informing me of updates.

BTW, seems I may have hit a few no-no keys while typing this.  HOpe it's not
too illegible...

K
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: MAC Trivia
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:03:02 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <wdrvN3q00ioEQ2PERL@andrew.cmu.edu> mg4s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marissa Gonzalez) writes:
>Is there any meaning behind the Mac "SE", "si","ci","fx" etc...
>
>No one around here seems to know and I've never run across any explaination.

SE is System Enhanced or System Expandable or something similar
The 'c' in 'cx' and 'ci' probably stands for compact.
The 'i' stands for 'increased' performance  (OK, I made it up)
the 'fx' is F*ING XPENSIVE. (OK, the net made it up :-) )
The 's' stands for 'slightly' (see 'i', yes, I made it up)

Actually, I suspect they were all probably thought up by marketing droids who
get paid 6 figures just to think these things up, and have no
intrinsic meaning


-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gnoer1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Geoff Noer)
Subject: Re: Rom boot
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:44:06 GMT

>>I remember reading that it is possible to boot a Mac IIsi from the
>>ROM's in the machine.  How do I do this?  (Is this a FAQ?)
>
>>						John F Sasso
>
>If this is possible, PLEASE E-mail me the solution. It would come in very
>handy on occasions.
>
>Jeremy
>
>bassman@iastate.edu
>

As I recall, it is only the MacClassic that can do a ROM boot.  You boot
holding down command-shift-o-x or something like that.  Wonder if the Classic
II does it too?  (Or did they need more of the ROM for color quickdraw???)
--Geoffrey Noer
From: omalley@mace.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AppleShare query
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:13:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44427
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

> > I'm looking after a lab of 52 SE's, running 6.0.5, and a few other
> > machines running 7.0. We're just about to get a quadra as a server to
> > replace two SE/30's, and I'd like to move over to AppleShare 3 at the
> > same time. 
>
> You don't need to install AppleShare on a Quadra as you can only
> install & run System 7. File sharing is a permanent feature of System 7.

The Mac Quadras require System 7.0.1 ... which means if you want a
Quadra to be an AppleShare server, you'll have to use AppleShare 3.0.

Any Mac running System 7 can be used as a file server with the File
Sharing feature, but it will be adequate only if you need ten or fewer
users logged in at the same time.  File Sharing is limited to ten
simulntaneous logins.  If you need more than that (and with a 52-station
lab, I suspect you do), you need AppleShare.

> I believe you should only need to install AppleShare 3 if you want a
> System 6 macintosh to be the file server, so you should be saving
> yourself some money here.

There's some confusion here ... AppleShare 3.0 requires the server
computer to be running System 7.0 or newer.  The server must also have
at least 4 megs RAM.

The client Macs can still be running System 6 with AppleShare Workstation
software version 2, if you wish.

But if you decide to install an AppleShare 3.0 server, it's a good idea to
install Appleshare Workstation 3.0 software on the client Macs.  Without
it, you won't be able to use the enhanced security or bulletin features of
AppleShare 3.0.

> > However, I've heard there can be problems running mixed system 6 & 7
> > with AppleShare 3. Any truth in this rumour?

We've been doing exactly that for several months now with absolutely no
problems.  All the client Macs, be they System 6 or 7, are running
AppleShare Workstation 3.0.


-John
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: Background printing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:09:53 GMT

dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (william a dowling) writes:

>resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick) writes:

>>jang@forit.forut.no (Jan Grav) writes:

>>>After installing sys.7.0 Laserwriter on a Mac IIcx running 6.0.5,
>>>it is not possible to print in background anymore.
>>>Any suggestions?

>>Yes. Get the System 7 Backgrounder and the System 7 PrintMonitor.
>>They are both on the System 7 disks.

>	Backgrounder?  It's not in my system folder and I print just fine
>in the background.  I thought all you need is PrintMonitor.

Backgrounder is on the System 7 installation disks. It doesn't get
installed on your System 7 machine. It is there only for System 6 users
as far as I can tell, as is the System 7 Laser Prep.

pr
--
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: feinberg@acsu.buffalo.edu (John A. Feinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: IIsi and 24/32 bit addressing
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:28:59 GMT
Organization: UB

With system 6.0.8, I can use RAMdisk+ (in 24 bit mode), and it uses the memory
that is otherwise inaccessible (i.e., memory past 8mb).  So if you have a 17mb
Mac IIsi, you can set the RAMdisk to 8mb or so, and you will be using memory
that you can't use otherwise.  RAMdisk+ crashes in 32 bit mode, or at least the
most recent version available at Sumex does.  I haven't tried it with system 7
in 24 bit mode.

John Feinberg
SUNY Buffalo
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From: lingerke@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Help with Mac TCP/Talk
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: Linger@starsys.laf.in.us (Ken Linger)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Star Systems

I recently downloaded the TALK program from the comm archives
at Sumex.  This program needs the Mac TCP program.

I checked my disks that came with my Versaterm and it had the
Mac TCP CDEV but not the Admin program it talks about in the
manual.

I am running a Mac SE/30 with a localtalk network to a Mac
SI located elsewhere in the building.  I can't seem to get
Mac TCP or the TALK program to work.  Can anyone offer some
help on how I should set up my TCP?

Thank you thank you thank you, in advance, of course.

Ken

-- 

        Ken Linger                              Linger@starsys.laf.in.us        
        School of Computer Science              lingerke@expert.cc.purdue.edu   
        Purdue University                       AOL:  Ken Linger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ftp.apple.com
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:12:26 GMT
Organization: MicroMuse
In-reply-to: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 20:41:51 GMT

ftp.apple.com will not accept connections whose IP addresses do not
map into a host.domain via nslookup.  This means that those of us
who are running MacTCP behind a Kinetics Box with Dynamic IP Addressing
cannot open FTP sessions to ftp.apple.com. First we have to log into
an Internet host with a hostname.domain that nslookup can validate.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smanelis@sugaku.claremont.edu (Scott Manelis)
Subject: Re: QuickTime Startup Movie summary
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 21:02:31 GMT

In article <xzxt6+l@rpi.edu> johnsd2@jec328.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)  
writes:
> 
> Ok, I have checked it out. I tried ResEdit. I found that my "alias"
> wasn't an alias. It contained a 'moov' resource (for one thing), so
> I guess it was a movie file. It also contain 3 'alis' resources.
> 
> now, the odd thing was that it worked like an alias- it had an
> italized name and a "Find Origional" button that worked. So I moved my
> startup movie out of the system folder, and use "Make Alias" to make
> --ANNOTHER-- alias to the same movie (the skydive, btw). Then
> I ResEdited this one.
> 
> It also had a 'moov' and 'pnot' and all that stuff.
> 
> Now how about that. Could you please ResEdit an Alias of a movie
> and tell me (at least) if the same thing happens to you?

If you are using version 2.x of ResEdit it will automatically open the file  
connected to the alias unless you check the "use alias" box in the open file  
dialog box.  You probably _were_ looking at the original file and this is why  
you saw all of those resources.
From: dk2l+@andrew.cmu.edu (David McClain Koltas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: NEED HELP re:Mail order
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:34:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gdsADzm00WBK48LZ80
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, IM - Graphic Communications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I'm planning on ordering a Mac system by mail order.  If you have any
strong oppinions (positive or negative) about companies you've delt with
in the past, please send me Email so that I can make the best choice.

Please Reply Directly to
dk2l+@andrew.cmu.edu

thanks in advance,

-dave
From: celis_pedro@tsii.tandem.com (Pedro Celis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Increasing Finder Memory
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:23:29 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

In article <167C3124A8.TFDAVIS@ricevm1.rice.edu>, TFDAVIS@ricevm1.rice.edu (Twyla Davis) writes:
> 
> Running System 6.0x under MultiFinder I've had occasions when I
> run out of finder memory.  I've had this occur on a Plus, and on
> a IIci.  Adequate RAM is available but I don't know what to change
> to increase the ram allocated to finder.

When System 7.0 came out I saw a posting from someone who claimed
that increasing the Finder's memory greatly improves the speed of
opening windows. The first window open would still be slow but after
that it would be much faster (ala 6.0.x). Is there any truth to this?
I have done it and it makes me feel that they are faster even if they
aren't.

To increase the Finder's memory you need to boot from a 6.0.x diskette,
do a "Get Info" on the Finder and increase the current size in the
memory box.

                                                          ...Pedro
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Neil, would you please comment on this?
Date: 8 Apr 1992 00:10:22 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


In article <43715@spt.entity.com> mdc@spt.UUCP (Marty Connor) writes:
>In 76703.401@CompuServe.COM (Neil Shapiro) writes:
|>We, as an electronic community -- whether MAUG is our homebase, GEnie, AOL,
|>or wherever -- cannot afford to lose the immense privilege that Apple has 
|>granted us vis-avis electronic distribution of their copyrighted
|>software. With  this great privilege has come only a modicum of responsibility 
|> -- an Agreement which is not difficult to interpret or to follow. 
|>Kudos to Apple Computer for caring more about their customers then any other 
|>computer company! We owe them our respect and allegiance to such Agreements.
|>-- Neil Shapiro
|>   Chief Sysop [MAUG(R) on CompuServe]


>I personally find statements such as the one quoted above to be offensive


	which is why YOU are in my KILL-file as an unbalanced person,
	best ignored, generally.  And I am not one who talks with or
	about Apple with kids' gloves on ...
-- 
  --(werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu)--*OR*--(...!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner)--
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	"The transfer of money from poor people in rich countries
	to rich people in poor countries"  ---Unknown, probably dead...
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