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From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Naive Foreigners (Re: Nitya/abortion rights/s.s.chawathe)
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171450.27043@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@centi.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>Eventual dominance comes not from a more-miniaturized walkman.

I can't figure what this means. Perhaps, you should qualify it with
Vedic scriptures. A miniaturized walkman is possible because of 
VVVLSI technologies. Also, it reflects the life-style of the consumers
who prefer smaller gadgets to giant gizmos. 

It is surprising to learn that Saturn is the first American car, ever
made for Japanese, with right-hand drive. Surely that was not a revolution
in auto-manufacturing.

>Also, America's preeminence comes from its small companies and not
>from its F 500 giants.

Like what? Haven't you heard the slogan, oft repeated nowadays in the
Democrat camp, : ``manufacturing is out of America.'' American
companies, smaller ones especially, are mostly specializing in service
such as insurance, medical, restaurants, etc.  Those that manufacture
usually sell cookies, panties, recycled paper pellets to cover up
horse-shit, usually at an exorbitant price.

>The world devours things Americana.
>While movies may be a significant part, they are not the only part.
>CNN, MTV, Nike, Pepsi, McDonalds, Madonna, Visa...the list goes on!

For each and everyone of these things there is a competitor outside
Americana. To balance: CNN vs. Free TV of Hong Kong, Nike vs. Reebok,
etc. Unless you are a recently liberated person from erstwhile Soviet
Union or Eastern Europe, American fast food or music is hardly
appetizing. McDonald's sells mostly in Moscow only. As for Visa, there
are umpteen competitors, and nowadays Visa is trying to consolidate
its $1billion and growing losses each year on the misused
credit-cards. 

By the way, Madonna is a `babe' the world admires, and she
will do it all in front of the TV, and even in Vatican. So don't ever
tell me that:

>Stuff about 'babes' is irrelevant.


Murthy


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:31114 soc.culture.sri-lanka:1001
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: A Ghost Poem.....
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:43:07 GMT

	This is another poem by Cheran.  This was written when Indian Peace 
Keeping Force (IPKF) and  Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) were in a 
battle.  In this poem Cheran represents a typical man who was caught in the
middle of a war which was "forced" on him.  

pisaasuk kavithai                          ghost poem
=================                          ==========

iru puRamum thuppaakki                     guns both sides
naduvil naan                               in the middle is I
appaavipp pothumakan                       innocent public
en pEr.                                    is my name.

oorillai enakku,                           I have no home,
munpu irunthathu                           had one those days
ippO tholainthuviddathu.                   now it's lost.
(puNNiya paarathaththukku nanRi!)          (thanks to holy India!)

iru puRamum thuppaakki                     guns both sides
naduvil naan;                              in the middle is I;
erikinRa neruppukkum                       even in the middle 
naduvil than.                              of the burning fire.

avan 'iru' enRaal                          if one says 'sit'
ivan 'ezhumpu' enpaan.                     the other says 'stand'.
avan 'pO' enRaal                           if one says 'go'
ivan 'vaa' enpaan.                         the other says 'come'.

avan 'iRa' enRaan.                         one said 'die'.
ivan 'iru' enRaan.                         the other said 'live'.
avan udalaik konRaan.                      one killed the body.
ivan aathmaavaik konRaan.                  the other killed soul.

ippO naan                                  now I 
pisasanEn.                                 have become a ghost.

==============
From: elumpukkoodukaLin oorvalam (Copyright:  Thedal Pathippakam
      [Parade of Skeletons]                   566, Parliament St, Toronto
                                              Ontario, M5X 1P8, Canada)
==============
Willing to respond to sensible follow-ups,

Vicky: 
UMass, Sep 08
(doesn't necessarily mean that Vicky endorses Cheran's views)
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Court Rejects Union Carbide's Plea
Keywords: Bhopal Court
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:37:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
	   BHOPAL, India (AP) _ A court on Monday refused to hear a
complaint by Union Carbide India Ltd., accusing India's federal
police of tampering with evidence in the world's worst industrial
disaster.
	   Simultaneously, the court rejected a petition by the Central
Bureau of Investigation, which is similar to the FBI in the United
States, charging Union Carbide India Ltd. with trying to delay
legal proceedings and deterring witnesses from appearing in court.
	   Judge Wajahdat Ali Shah said he was rejecting both the
petitions, made last month, to avoid ``any possible delays in the
trial,'' which has been dragging on for the past five years.
	   At least 4,000 people were killed when methyl isocyanate gas
leaked in December 1984 from a pesticide factory run by Union
Carbide India Ltd., a subsidiary of Union Carbide Corp., based in
Danbury, Conn.
	   In its application, Union Carbide India Ltd. said the CBI
falsified a statement by a company executive in a bid to implicate
the company's chairman, Keshub Mahindra, and Managing Director
Vijay Gokhale.
	   The alleged tampering of the witness's statement was ``nothing
but a grave miscarriage of justice and gross contempt of court,''
Union Carbide India said in its August petition.
	   The issue came up for hearing Monday.
	   The CBI said that in petitioning the court, Union Carbide India
was trying to ``interfere with the investigations and trial,''
which amounted to contempt of court.
	   The government had initially sued Union Carbide for $3 billion
in damages but reached an agreement in 1989 to accept $470 million
and absolve the company of criminal liability.
	   Union Carbide paid the money, which has yet to be distributed
among the 600,000 people who claimed damages.
	   However, the Supreme Court on Oct. 3 struck down the immunity
clause of the agreement and ordered criminal cases to be reopened.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign ( Undivided Bharat)
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:51:30 GMT

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:


The following ideas are same as Saddam's thinking of Kuwait as one of 
Iraq's state. 

>SAMIT! The basic question we should discuss is not-the-issue-of-KASHMIR,
> but the Isuue of DIVISION OF INDIA on COMMUNAL LINES. The mistakes of 40's
> should be corrected. The basic issue of Division of the COUNTRY should
> be tackled. SOME LEADERS COMMITING A MISTAKE IN THE PAST, DOES NOT
> MEAN THAT THE COUNTRY REMAINS DIVIDED FOREVER.

> We should first think of bringing back of Pakistan. EVEN THE ISSUE OF 
> DIVISION OF BHARAT should be brought . Divsion of this country, 
> is not to be left to some individuals and to their whims and fancies. Let 
> the nation have a say in this matter. Once this question arises, then the 
> basic problems of Punjab and Kashmir will be solved. 

> Though this is a difficult task, it has to be undertaken either today or 
> tomorrow. Once UnDivided India has emerged, these questions about,
> what happens to Kashmiri Militants, Who are Punjabi Militants remain 
> null and void. This should form our national agenda. 

> We should realise that the  present day Muslim is a progeny of a Hindu-Convert.
> This conversion also was not done with that Hindu's willingness, but 
> brutally and forcibly. Hence it is our responsibility to bring them back into
> nationalist fold. Once this has been done, we can proceed forward to 
> NEW AGE. Since he has been brought up in a very different background, his
> assimilation into Indian Society takes some time. Till then Minor-Bharat
> (Pakistan) can be given certain Autonomy which gradually can be integrated 
> with the system. 

>So the question of these Militants and all other territorial problems donot 
>arise. WE SHOULD ALSO NOT TALK OF ANY PLEBISCITE OR ANY OTHER THINGS. WHAT 
>PLEBISCITE. FIRST CONDUCT A REFRENDUM ON DIVISION OF BHARAT. And that should 
>remain the top priority on National Agenda.

>-Indu.
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  The views expressed above are on my personal basis.                 |
>|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
>|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: nkumar@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Naresh Kumar CHE Grad )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sonia's book on Rajiv
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:43:52 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens

In article <192ct5INN9rs@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.152754.21212@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>|> 
>|> It is probably worth reminding that we are talking about a man
>|> who was so disrespectful of human life. Rajiv Gandhi's reaction
>|> to news reports of the Sikh massacre in November 1984 in the aftermath 
>|> of the Indira Gandhi assasination is very significant. His words are 
>|> indeed memorable : "When a big tree falls, the earth shakes". 
>|> 
>|> We are talking about a man who sent thousands of our troops on 
>|> a suicidal trip to Sri Lanka just to divert public attention from 
>|> a controversy that he was embroiled in.
>
>I am not sure that that's why he did it, but I still think that the
>whole thing essentially resulted in Indian lives being lost for
>political reasons with no apparent benefit to India -- quite enough
>to make me lose any respect that I had for him (which wasn't much
>anyway).
>
>|> 
>|> IMO, anybody who has "care" and "compassion" for such a man
>|> is either a Buddha. Or an idiot.
>
>Amen. In spades. Not that I endorse someone knocking him off. I'd
>much rather that he suffered some humiliation like being hauled in
>front of some person who lost relatives in the 1984 riots and then
>asked to say something as callous as "When ..., ... earth shakes."
>There are situations when a leader is incapable of doing something
>due to a lack of power, but Rajiv Gandhi suffered, if from anything,
>a surfeit of power (a 4/5 majority in Parliament); and the b*%$#@d
>blew it big. Beats me WHY anyone would pay $52.00 (Rs. 1600??) for
>a book on him. It would be the world's most expensive roll of toilet
>paper.
>
>
>-- 
>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu
>
>If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What a contempt for the ex-prime minister Rajiv Gandhi and his party
which came to power with about 80 % of the seats in the LOK SABHA !
This does comment on our own people including you and me. It is we
who are responsible for electing them and then we say that we do not 
like the Gandhi dynasty.

Personally I feel that Rajiv Gandhi was not fit for politics at all.
I read somewhere that he once asked V. P. Singh to get out of his car
for accomodating Amitabh Bachchan. This speaks volumes of his political
maturity.

ciao

naresh

while Sanjay Gandhi certainly was
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India Decides to Set Up Human Rights Commission
Keywords: Human Rights COmmission
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:27:11 GMT

apnews report:
	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ India has decided to set up an
independent human rights commission empowered to investigate
charges of brutality by the police and paramilitary forces that
combat militant separatists.
	   Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao, at an unusual meeting Monday
of the leaders of India's 25 states and seven territories, said the
commission's work would create public confidence, punish offenders
and counter false allegations.
	   Rao's proposal was unanimously approved by the state leaders,
who were summoned because the police forces are under the control
of the states rather than the federal government.
	   A committee of federal and state ministers will be set up to
outline the work of the commission, government spokesman B.
Narendra said after the one-day closed-door meeting.
	   Western countries and independent human rights groups have
criticized India's tough treatment of Muslim militants and Sikh
separatists in the insurgency-torn states of Punjab and
Jammu-Kashmir.
	   Troops have been accused of killing innocent civilians, staging
incidents to carry out extrajudicial executions of suspects, and of
burning entire neighborhoods to flush out guerrillas.
	   Cases also have been reported of suspicious deaths in police
custody in many states. Rao said he wanted to speed up hearings in
such cases, which he called ``revolting and reprehensible.''
	   While Rao urged a tough line against human rights offenders, he
signaled no change in the government's refusal to allow human
rights groups to send outside investigators. India says it probes
all reports itself and punishes the guilty.
	   ``While dealing with terrorists and secessionist elements bent
on killing innocent civilians ... our attempts must not be to use
excessive force or to take recourse to unlawful or illegal means,''
Rao said in a speech.
	   ``Strict instructions have been repeatedly given to mete out
exemplary punishment to those who exceed their authority
deliberately,'' Rao said.
	   He said 230 security officials in Punjab and Jammu-Kashmir
states had been punished so far and investigations were continuing
against several others.
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Jayalalitha's emissaries meet LTTE: Disturbing report
Date: 10 Sep 1992 17:34:00 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep10.221056.21347@wuecl.wustl.edu> rr2@cec2.wustl.edu (Rajamiyer Ravichandran) writes:
>       I read in the latest issue of Thuglak (the tamil political magazine)
>that Jayalalitha has sent some emissaries to meet with LTTE guys in
>Paris and Singapore. This is appatently for working out a deal to ensure 
>the saftey of the CM from the LTTE hit squad. In return, the TN govt. will
>loosen up the flusing drive against LTTE cadres operating in TN. This was
>reported by none other than Dr. Subramaniam Swamy who claimed to have 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>documentary evidence to prove his point.

All the more reason to disbelieve the report.

Subramaniam Swamy has been known, in the past, to rush to the media without 
significant evidence. The incident that comes to mind is the uproar he 
created in the country by brandishing a photograph of Netaji Subhas Bose and
claiming that it was taken in an Siberian labor camp in the erstwhile USSR.
The implication was that Netaji was still alive, some 30 years after his 
reported death in a plane crash.

The photograph was subsequently proven to be a forgery and a clearly defensive
Subramanium Swamy tried to wriggle out of the whole episode by claiming that
the picture was given to him by an aide. Clearly a man low on credibility, at 
least in my book.

Hope it helps you to put things in perspective.

Samit

[stuff deleted]

>
>regards 
>
>
>ravi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: elan@rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco)
Subject: Re: Inquiry .....
Reply-To: elan@rdg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:37:49 GMT

In article <BuL2x7.Cp4@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
|> 
|> Booby Sands and four others who fasted to death in the Northern Ireland
|> jail (I think county Antrim) practiced Gandhism, at least according
|> the Jyothirmoy Basu's speech in the parliament. Bobby Sands was
|> a member of IRA and convicted murderer. Even if he conducted the
|> fast under the full blaze of the publicity given by the terrorist wing
|> of the Amnesty international, Bobby Sands was a terrorist! Period!
|> 

It's such a shame people who haven't got much of an idea about Amnesty
International criticize them.


Balendra Elangco			| Internet: elan@rdg.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 11:28:47 GMT


Benarji:


You are more ignorant of Kashmiri laws as well as their hidden pain.

No one except Kashmir can buy the land in Kashmir.
This is Kashmir's law. This law came in force in late or mid 20es.

The support to Shaikh Abdullah was the only option for the Kashmiris 
to keep Kashmir in Kshmiri leader's hand whom they can trust at least
*a little bit*.

Now these Kashmiris have started the UPRISING. During this uprising
they tried to dig out Shaikh Abdullah's grave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are not aware of the hidden pain in the masses.

Then here is an example.

The Pukhtoon leader Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan's Khudai Khidmatgar was 
very popular among Pathans. In 47 Badshakhan wanted to join 
Pukhtoon area with India. Pathans did not react to it.
 But When ever the election took  place in Pakistan, his party never
came to power.  I think the name of Badshkhan's party is
Awami league. It was part of MRD headed by Benazir.
 Today, his party has only three seats!!!!!!!!!!!
Eventhough when he died lots of Pathans took part in his Janaza.  



Bye
Adil
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Military Cooperation With Russia To Continue
Keywords: India Russia Military Cooperation
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:10:38 GMT

apnews reports:
	   MOSCOW (AP) _ Concerned about neighboring Pakistan and China,
India's defense minister came shopping for weapons and said Monday
his country wants to maintain close military ties with Russia,
ITAR-Tass said.
	   Sharad Pawar, who arrived Sunday, said after talks Monday with
his Russian counterpart Gen. Pavel Grachev that India wants to
continue to develop those ties ``at the same level as during the
past 40 years,'' the news agency reported.
	   Later Monday, the Indian guest met with acting Russian Prime
Minister Yegor Gaidar to discuss trade and economic cooperation,
ITAR-Tass said.
	   India has long depended on the former Soviet Union for purchase
of arms and spare parts. About two-thirds of its arsenal is
Soviet-made.
	   But the collapse of the Soviet Union has affected the two
countries' military ties, Grachev acknowledged.
	   ``Today we discussed and chalked out a number of directions to
restore them in military and military-technical spheres. It is of
great importance not only to the Indian side, but to us also,''
ITAR-Tass quoted Grachev as saying.
	   ``We discussed the volumes of military hardware and spares to be
sold to India. I, in my turn, promised to have agreements in this
sphere fulfilled sooner than at present,'' Grachev said.
	   Russia wants to boost weapons sales abroad to revive its
tottering economy. India is concerned that the arms may be bought
by China and Pakistan _ two neighbors with which it had fought four
wars.
	   Grachev expressed hope a bilateral agreement on military
cooperation will be signed before or during Russian President Boris
Yeltsin's planned visit to India in January 1993.
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:34:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: asehgal@bcars687.uucp (Aditya Sehgal)
Subject: NRI accounts
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:12:40 GMT


 I wanted to get feedback from those who have opened NRI Accounts (any type)
 with State bank of India and/or  Citi Bank .
 I am interested to find out more on bad experiences (good as well), any problems faced for any
 reasons. I would appreciate a response at email address 

 asehgal@bnr.ca

 thanks in advance,
 Aditya

-- 
Aditya Sehgal, Network Management Systems      asehgal@bnr.ca
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.                  ...!uunet!bwdls57!asehgal
P.O. Box 3511, Station C                      (613)763-8821 (Voice)
Ottawa Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7                 (613)763-3283 (FAX)
From: psc2441@ultb.isc.rit.edu (P.S. Chaturvedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for V. Prasad: Univ of Oklahoma (MSinCS)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:40:19 GMT
Reply-To: psc2441@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: psc2441@ultb


Please provide e-mail, USPS mail, phonne #, etc.
any info welcom.
D
D
:
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+------------+-------------------------------------+
| Pankaj Som |  BITNET  : psc5356@RITVAX           |
| Chaturvedi |  Internet: psc5356@ultb.isc.rit.edu |
+------------+-------------------------------------+
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Unix finger
Date: 11 Sep 1992 16:34:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: soc
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

In article <1992Sep11.051310.17485@ennews.eas.asu.edu> sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
>prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>
>)	And, if the "finger" command fails to give you the real name, do
>)	would be more appropriate on a networking newsgroup, not s.c.i.

>Oh.. I didn't know that. I will give you a real userid. I have
>no sysadmin privs on this machine. Try letting me know about the real
>user name. You get a chance to fly on the space shuttle. :) 

	Whoa, man!! a space shuttle flight !! Yippee.....

	Maybe my last post did not make it clear to the meanest 
	intelligence, :-) but then I did not have time to pick 
	my words carefully...... 

	I am NOT saying that you cannot hide a user's identity at all.
	That is quite easy to do. All I was saying was that the chfn
	command _alone_ is not sufficient to do so.....

	Once again, I am sorry if I did not make this clear in the 
	previous response..... and space shuttle or not, I don't see
	what I have to prove by this.....

	And anyway, what are we doing this on s.c.i for ??

	Prem!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: guru@netcom.com (Muthukumar Arumugham)
Subject: looking for APARNA, BRADLEY UNIV
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 01:01:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: poster

Hello Netters,
	I am looking for Aparna Ramakrishnan who must've joined Bradley
University this fall.
	Aparna, if you are reading this message, please contact me at this
email address or
		818 966-5222 (Home)
		818 810-7771 (Work)
thanks

-- Muthu Kumar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian