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From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:09:50 GMT

In article <1gj56rINNkm0@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>>Audi does who else.
>
>--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.  These are the high
>
>--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.  It is Subaru's
>
>--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
>  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.

Aamir's recommendations are excellent. I might also add that the Legacy is
available with an unblown 130 bhp variant of the flat four.

Were you to shop in Canada, the BMW 325iX and Volkswagen Passat syncro G60
would also meet your criteria.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:01:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.132437.12886@bsu-ucs> 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.190743.12612@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christopher.arnone) writes:
>> 
>> 	As reported in this weeks Bussiness Week, it appears that as part of
>> the major restructuring at GM, the Bowling Green Corvette plant will close
>> at the end of the 1995 model year.  This is GMs most inefficient plant (it's
>> no contest).  It takes twice as many workers to make a vette as it does an NSX
>> and the assembly quality level of the vette is less!  Production of the vette
>> will move to Canada, along side the Camaro and Firebird lines recently moved to
>> Canada from California.  So if you want the last U.S. made vette, better plan
>> on buying it in 1995.  In a way, this is the end of an era. I wonder if 1995
>> model year vettes will be worth something someday??
>> 
>> Chris
>	I agree with the decision.  I factory only builds cars 
>for about half the year.  I also think that the Corvette and 
>F-bodies should all be councelled.   There is very little demand
>for sportscars, that aren't fuel-efficient (All 3 cars usually
>have V-8 engines).  The General should conentrate on family cars
>and compact cars.  The F-Bodies and Corvettes are a waste of time
>and money !!!!
>B. Daneils

Very little demand?  Dude, buy a fuel efficient clue!  There is more than 
adequate demand for torquey V8 cars!  They get just as good milage as the
torqueless turbocharged cars, but with much more low-end grunt...
Just because you don't appreciate muscle cars doesn't mean that there isn't
a demand for them, nor does it mean that they are a waste of time and
money.  I personally can't understand people who drive sack-less econoboxes,
yet I don't go around saying that they are a waste of time & money.
 

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From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Flying speed traps
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:32:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.090741.19765@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis) writes:
>>: 
>>: So.... get this, *every* *single* ticket that a ground officer
>>: writes without personal verification is "hearsay evidence" in any
>>: court in the nation.  It's inadmissable and grounds for dismissal
>>: for anyone who chooses to challenge it in court.
>>
>>Only his testimony is. The testimony of the officer in the air, who
>>determined your speed, is making direct testimony. I expect that the
>>judge is going to believe the officer - rather than you.
>>
>
>In California, both the airborne and the rolling officers must appear
>at trials for Maule'd (or Cessna'd) drivers.  The flier says, "I timed
>a green Datsun at 83 MPH" and passed him off to car 36, which I recognized
>by the big number on its roof".  The driver says, "I stopped a green Datsun,
>ABC123, and cited Bill Nelson".  No hearsay here.

Yeah, but you _can_ beat it.

My brother got tagged on I-93 in New Hampshire. He requested that his
court date be postponed, and then went in on the day he was originally
due to appear. He buttonholed the pilot in the hall and basically pumped
him to get his testimony (I'd guess the pilot was trying to convince him
of the open-and-shut nature of the case, attempting to avoid having to come
back on another date).

The pilot testified something to the nature of "I observed a brown Saab-like
vehicle proceeding bla bla at bla bla mph". My brother was driving a Jetta
at that time.

So he parked his car in front of the office building he was working in at
the time, went up on the roof and took "aerial" photos of his Jetta.

Off to court, and the pilot gave his "Saab-like" testimony. On cross-exam,
my bro showed him the pictures and asked him if the car in question
appeared "Saab-like". When the officer replied negatively, my brother
presented the photos to the judge, along with ground level photos (to
establish the license plate and ownwership) and requested dismissal.
Granted.

A lot of work, but still cheaper than the tik and insurance hit would have
been. (They popped him at ~90mph, back when the limit was still 55.)
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                            Loud Pipes Suck
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From: kuyper@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ed Kuyper)
Subject: Jeep advice wanted
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:36:03 GMT

I know all you jeep people must have fielded this question before but I am
torn as to whether to buy a wrangler. I have been keeping a 12 year old
rice burner going for 5 years now and I need a new car. To start off with I
want a 4X4. I live in the Lake Michigan area and I think a wrangler would
be best for enjoying the seasons. I am still young (22) and I know if I
will ever buy one it will be now since I can't picture a infant safety seat
in a wrangler. I have always wanted one and I can finally afford to put
about $10,00 into getting one.

My apprehentions are as follows. First of all I keep reading about all of
the nightmares about jeeps that have been posted. I plan on staying on the
concrete 90% of the time. I will be going off road for camping, hunting and
fishing, but I don't plan on off roading just for off roading sake. I
wonder if there are any opinions on the quality of the years 87-92. I know
that a lot of changes have occured in those years. What years should I
avoid? How much should I pay for used jeeps (87-92)? I am looking for a
hard top for sure but I am pondering getting a soft top and purchasing a
hard tap with doors separately. What are the opinions on the whole top
situation. I know the obvious, i.e. more highway noise and less secrity
with a st. I also want opinions on the in line 6 vs. the multi-port 4.0L.
Is there less engine noise with the 4.0L? What about fuel economy 4 banger
vs. 6 banger.

I am most interested in a chart with year, engine, fair used price, for a
hard and soft top. I would prefer if ya'll posted you opinions.

                        -thanks 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Not ALL YJs suck.........!!!!!
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:02:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052202.20201@nuchat.sccsi.com>, paul@nuchat.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes:
> Sorry, I couldn't pass this up :)

Me neither :-)

> 
> In article <1992Dec16.101041.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
>>Well I have a CJ-7, it was made by AMC.  I got it stuck in deep water the
>>first weekend I had it, rolled it within a year.  I understand the
>>statements regarding fit and finish, but what's a *dash* and *carpets*?
> 
> Well I've got a YJ and it too was made by AMC.  I know better than to get it
> in too deep of water and I've managed to not roll it even though I've added
> a 3" suspension lift, 31x10.50's, and some RS5000's all the way around.

Well I learned about deep water the hard way.  Good thing the farmer wasn't
too pissed, he pulled my out with his tractor, nothing else could get there.
Being a week old, everything was stock then.  You haven't been four-wheeling
if you never rolled it.

> 
> It has a dash, a very small one.  That's what you velcro your sun glasses to
> when it gets dark.  Carpet is the fuzzy stuff between your feet and the metal
> floorboards that protects the metal finish and preserves it from rust and scuf-
> fing.

Oh I get it, the dash is that plastic sh*t they put in front of the *real*
(read: steel) dash.  I leave my sunglasses on at night, cuts down on the
glare from headlights.  So you're telling me that if I got that fuzzy stuff
(carpet), then my floors wouldn't have rusted out?  If you drop something
in my Jeep, you hafta stop and walk back to get it.

> 
> I know you guys with the round headlights think y'all have the lock on the
> one true Jeep experience but guess what?  You don't.  A YJ is nothing more
> than the compilation of the CJ's, MB's, and whatever else came before
> Wranglers.

We got the same kinda grief from the M's too (When I was your age...).

> 
> If you'd drive one of the new 4.0 liter fuel injected YJ's you'd hock your
> house to make the down payment.  Really.

You hafta nowadays, the price has nearly tripled since I bought mine.


(For the humor impaired, all the above is in jest, :-)
(I really don't wear my sunglasses at night.       :-)
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From: alc@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Al Chang)
Subject: Re: Jeep Quadra-Trac thoughts?
Organization: Grumman Corporation
	<1992Dec11.194945.4155@news.mentorg.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.194945.4155@news.mentorg.com> philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:

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   In article <1992Dec8.172423.23988@coe.montana.edu>, hutch@cs.montana.edu (Bill Hutchison) writes:
   |> 
   |> Any thoughts about Command-Trac vs. Selec-Trac vs. Quadra-Trac for a
   |> Jeep Cherokee or Grand Cherokee?
   |> 
   |> My '85 Cherokee has Command-Trac and a 5-speed.  But I like the way
   |> my friend's Selec-Trac feels in snow.  Quadra-Trac is the unknown.  Jeep
   |> had something called Quadra-Trac in the 70's.  Is the current offering
   |> a lineal descendant?  If I, recall, the 70 version had good performace,
   |> marginal relibility.


The Quadra-Trac is more like the All wheel drives on cars with the
option of a low. It is also beefer than the passenger car. It is aimed
at people that really almost never use the vehicle off-road. It
provides the safety and convenience. My sister bought a command-trac
for the few off roads she intends, but like most people, it probably
will not see. We know now that she should have gotten the Quadra-Trac.
Selec-Trac is sort of in-between. 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:56:49 GMT


In article <1992Dec12.004032.14013@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.232520.18845@tandem.com> norcott_bill@tandem.com
|> In any event, I will say that Japanese Big Macs are preferable to 
|> American Big Macs if one does not count the price.  The Big Mac is now
|> a commodity product, which is basically the same in both countries.
|> The difference is the service and sale after the purchase.  Trust me.
|> The service is much better in Tokyo than in, ugh, San Francisco.
|> In Tokyo, one can order a "smile" (literally) for 0 yen, but one can't
|> even purchase that in San Francisco, let alone a redneck town.
|> 

I have had MANY a MacDonald's person fill my order in many a US and Canadian 
town in the most courteous, efficient manner.  Getting a smile for free
depends just as much on the customer as on the MacDonald's employee.

Act like a pompous jerk and get treated like one....

By the way, Mr. Dwight Joe, what exactly do you mean by a "redneck" town?  
Aren't you making a stereotyped, stupid, baseless remark?
From: milo@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jim  mielo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: THE CLUB???? (Re: 48Hours (12/9))
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:17:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: rutgers university

In article <1992Dec14.192934.10459@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com
(Bradford Kellogg) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <gf_xCMu00aw54daX8i@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> |> All I have is a plain-Jane sedan, an '89 VW Jetta, so it's not really
> |> desirable anyway; the Club just makes it less so.  If you had a ZR1 or
> |> something, a car thief would do everything short of renting a helicopter
> |> and flying it out.
> |> 
> If I recall correctly, the VW Jetta has been one of the most often
> stolen cars in the past few years. This may still be true. Maybe
> your club is more effcetive than you realize...

    Jettas are still high theft items because they are so easy to break
into. The doors are the weak point. Just jam a screw driver under the lock
mechanism in the handle and play around a little and pop the door unlocks.

    The club may help but I would also recommend the ADP door lock guards
to stop potential pry-ins. The club only works if the guy wants the car. I
think the interior stuff is a little more valuable since your insurance may
not cover it and the guys who back the club definetely won't. Plus, the
damage done prying out the radio may lead to more big bucks.




James Mielo
Rutgers College of Pharmacy '94
milo@dorm.rutgers.edu

 owner of a now fixed 1990 GTi 8v
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From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Used Engines and Subaru Engine Swap
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:13:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo
Keywords: subaru engine swap

seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
> 
> So anyway...  I'd like to find a few recommendations on engines mainly.

We had a used Japanese engine put into our '86 Subaru last December, after
one of the cylinders collapsed at 105k miles.  It wasn't hard to find (in
California) and cost around $1100, plus $500 for labor.  Supposedly the used
engine had 35k miles on it, but who knows?  The replacement engine is still
wimpy though not quite as wimpy; I think it only develops 95 HP when new.
Our 4WD Subaru wagon wasn't a turbo, so we didn't replace it with a turbo.
Turbo engines will probably be harder to find.  Our mechanic had problems
re-fitting the smog equipment, so be forewarned.  Perhaps you don't have
that kind of blarf in Colorado?

We wanted to put a fuel injected Legacy engine in, but it wouldn't fit.
The earlier 1.6L(?) engines have a reputation for being more durable than
the 1.8L ones in the '86 Subarus, but are probably even wimpier.

Overall, if we had to do it again, we would just buy a used Ford Explorer.
Spending $1600 on a car with 105k miles was a pretty stupid thing to do,
especially for a car we don't enjoy driving.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson)
Subject: Doge Stealth numbers?
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:07:11 GMT


Could someone post the performance figures for a the low-end
Dodge Stealth (non-turbo).  Horsepower, Torque, 0-60, braking
distance.  Also, it is fwd, isn't it?
THanks in advance
-- 

Brian Wilson....           Not from the Beach Boys!
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From: steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Immobilising a diesel
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:56:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos,uk.misc
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Eddie Rooney (eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: Is there an easy way of immobilizing a diesel engine, in the same way as you might
: remove the rotor arm on a petrol engine, or disconnect the coil?  Any ideas
: appreciated.

Fill it up with petrol :-)

-- Steve-- 
				Steve Hunt	steve@acorn.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: Re: VOLVO
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:35:44 GMT

dmoore@watson.bcm.tmc.edu  writes:
> Interested on any information on volvo's, likes and dislikes, prices.
> 
> I would like to buy one (probably out of my price range but I would like 
> to get as much info as possible, just in case)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Volvos are cars that elicit two reactions from people -- those who
utterly despise their stodgy looks and boring performance and
those smarter ones who recognize the Swedish marque's legendary
safety, reliability, and durability.

The basic models:

1. the 240 series has remained essentially unchanged for over
20 years, starting from the 140-series i think from the late
1960's.  it is available in sedan and wagon form.  and having
driven a 240, I can assure you it is a tank.  The engine is the
classic Volvo four-cylinder:  absolutely bulletproof but
underpowered, and Volvo scrapped the turbo 240 series years
ago.  The 240 can be had for just under $20K, although with
used models you don't really sacrifice much quality at all, and you get
a reasonable price.

2. the 740 and 760 have now been abandoned, although excellent used
models can be had in the $10-20K range, both sedan and wagon,
turbo and normally aspirated.

3. the 940 and 960 rplace the 740 and 760.  The 940 has a 2.3
liter four, I think with 4 valves/cylinder, but don't quote me
on that.  They start start around $25K.
The 960 is the volvo flagship, with a strong 3 litre inline-6
andquick if not earth-shattering performance.  But it can drain
you for up to $40K.  Both 940 and 960 come in sedan or wagon.

4. the all-new 850GLT has a 20-valve five-cylinder and is far
more sporty than any previous volvo's.  Car magazines give it
good reviews, and it sells for arounf $24K.

Ingeneral, Volvo's are the quintessential family sedan.  Their
safety, interior room, reliability, durability, quality, and
comfort have set them apart and established them an unusual
niche in the American market.  If you can bear the uneventful
styling and uninspiring performance of the lower models,
Volvo's are an excellent investment.  It is not uncommon for
old volvos with over 100K miles to sell for two times what
other cars of same year and mileage sell for -- 100K miles is
essentially a break-in period! :)

Erik Velapoldi
ejv2j@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
(804)979-8319
"I don't have a good quote, and....no sir, I dont like it."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Chuck@clemson.edu (Chuck Heck)
Subject: Re: SHO Electrical Troubles
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:32:36 GMT

In article <15902@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> 
> My SHO is having an interesting problem with the intermittant wipers.
> They are intermittant.  Some positions work sometimes, others don't,
> none of the intermittant positions work all of the time.  Electrical
> problems?
> 
I'd check the following:
	1)  The circuit to turn signal stalk.  Connect an ohmmeter across it and make
sure that you get a variable resistance as you turn the wiper control knob. 
There is a potentiometer in the turn signal arm that presents a variable
resistance to the wiper control module.
	2)  Check the current draw on the motor.  Disconnect the wiring harness from 
the motor.  Also disconnect the wiper drive arm from the motor assembly.  
Connect the motor directly to the battery and use an ammeter to measure the
current draw.  It should not exceed 3.5 amps.
	3)  If #1 and #2 check out, replace the wiper control module.  You'll find it 
under the dash near the middle, on a dashboard support member.

> Tom Pickett 
> tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
> SHO  GOZE

Chuck
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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Flying speed traps
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:46:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com's message of 14 Dec 92 09:07:41 GMT
bcc: carl


>car. No officer witnessed the driving. Witnesses did stop and talk
>to the officer - the officer wrote a ticket for reckless driving.

Hell, a cop can pull you over and write you a ticket for anything
anytime.  The trick is (which, unfortunately, isn't too hard), getting
the judge to believe what they say, and they often lie to get that
done.

-Carl-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: lidar (laser) stealth car
Keywords: laser, lidar, radar, speed, limit, detector
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:29:09 GMT

Does anybody know if a black car reduces the effective
range of lidar?  What about matt black?

Does a bra with head-light covers reduce range?

-
Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
Des Moines, IA 50325-7077               Fax: (515)224-1352