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From: jdjohnst@math.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: John Johnstone
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:19:18 GMT

A simple request:  can anyone tell me something about John Johnstone who was
just drafted?  I am particularly interested in his middle name , as I too am a
John Johnstone and I think it would be ever cool to find someone else with the
same name.  thanks,
                                              jdjohnstone
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Grand Slams
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:40:48 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

Someone posts...
>Tony Clonninger, I think, did this in the late 60's.   He was a pitcher
>for the Braves at the time.  That makes it "most grand slams in an
>inning by a pitcher".  That will be tough to duplicate.

bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell) writes:
>He did this in 1966 but it wasn't in the same inning.
>He had two in the same game and an RBI single for good measure
>giving him 9 RBI.  I think he is the only one to hit two in a game.
>I believe Von Hayes hit a grand slam and a 3-run homer in the first
>inning of a game for Philadelphia a couple years ago, though.

I had always thought that two grand slams in an inning had never been
achieved before 1986. In early August of that year, on the 6th I think,
the Rangers and Orioles locked up for a real slugfest, in which two O's
hit grand salamis in the same inning. Unfortunately for them, it was not
enough, as they lost the game, 13-11.

Trivia question - who were the two players?

oh by the way, a third grand slam was hit by a Ranger in that game. That
slam tied a MLB record (which was matched again this year I think....).

-JC
From: guest@sili (Rockin' Robyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Maduux gone, Cubs alive?
Summary: With Maddux gone, what's the future?
Keywords: Cubs, Maddux
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:22:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: sili.guest.722456577
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


     GM Larry Himes haeld a press conference at Wrigley Field yesterday to
announce he will no longer actively pursue free-agent CY YOUNG Award winner
Greg Maddux, and will use the freed up money to fill in the rotation with
one or two other free agent pitchers.  Refusing to name names, speculation
revolves around former Twin/Pirate lefty John Smiley, former Pirate Doug
Drabek, and former Brewer Chris Bosio.  

     My two cents worth:  Maddux had a terrific 1992, and an ERA of 2.18
will be tough to duplicate by Maddux himself, let alone someone coming in
to a new environment.  Tradition holds Cy Young winners experience a %27
drop in effectiveness the year after winning the award, and tradition also
holds players tend to experience a loss of production following the signing
of a lucrative multi-year contract (admittedly, with some noteable exceptions).
My point is this: with or without Maddux, the Cubs will suffer a rise in team
ERA and had best plan accordingly.  The rotation is in need of filling in:
			#1     ???????????????
			#2 rhp Mike Morgan (awesome 1992!)
			#3 rhp Frank Castillo (innings type control pitcher)
			#4 lhp Greg Hibbard (scrappy, durable sinkerballer)
			#5 rhp Mike Harkey (injury prone, unpredictable)
     Some alternatives may include the return of self proclaimed head case
Shawn Boskie, closer type fireballer Bob Scanlan, or Jim Bullenger, none of
whom appear to be effective as a starter.  

     I respect and admire the job Himes has done on both sides of Chicago and
know that he spends more time trying to find solutions to organizational
problems than any of us on the outside.  With this in mind, I hope he can
figure out how to increase team OBP (woefully low outside of Sandberg\Grace)
and score some runs to offset the inevitable erosion of team pitching.  The
class and respect that surrounds Andre Dawson is well deserved, but he had
half the number of walks and stolen bases as your average right fielder.  It
would be a sad statement on the way MLB is run, but I can see the scenerio
where Dawson is let go despite his immense presence.  Discussions have begun
with Bonds (pipe dream) and Puckett may be another alternative.  The return
of Dunston to the infield will again hurt OBP, and May and Sosa have not shown
a great ability to draw the base on balls.  What to do?

	Comments or suggestions are appreciated.  Go Chicago (Cubs, Bears,
Bulls, Hawks.............)
------------------------------------robert allen hercey
				    guest@sili.isgs.uiuc.edu
.~r .sign
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From: kenney@tribe.b15.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:15:47 GMT

In article <steph.721988138@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
|> In <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
|> [...]
|> >So, the trade on the table is:
|> 
|> >Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee
|> 
|> I'd pull the trigger.  Alomar could be a very good catcher, Borders isn't.
|> (World series MVP?  Lemke was almost MVP last year.)  Baerga put up good
|> offensive numbers, and is fairly young.  Lee is a mediocre shortstop.
|> 
|> >I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
|> >need Baerga?  Could Baerga be used for another trade????????
|> 
|> Could Baerga be used for another position?  What's in this deal for Cleveland,
|> a mediocre catcher and a mediocre shortstop?


I consider this a joke, but people seem to be taking this rumor seriously,
so I'll comment.  First of all, isn't Lee a free agent?  If that is true,
then this trade can't happen at least until Lee is signed.

Here my analysis of the parts (ages as of July 1, 1993):
Borders:  30-year old catcher of average ability.  WS play should make him
          popular in Toronto.
Lee:      28-year old shortstop who in his prime is probably a little better
          than average.

S.Alomar: 27-year old catcher who is always injured, is good defensively,
          and has always been expected to be a star.
Baerga:   One of the best young players in the AL.  Only 24, with 3 years
          of ML experience.

Why in the world would the Indians even consider this???  Did they give up
on Mark Lewis?  I hope that this rumor is just a cruel joke designed to
worry Indians fans.

Now, I'd trade Baerga and S.Alomar for Roberto Alomar, but not for two
scrubs.

-- 
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David Kenney                                       kenney@tribe.b15.ingr.com
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Comments on Round 1 of the Expansion Draft
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:32:16 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <sf2SKri00WB5AKkVUY@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 17-Nov-92 Comments on Round 1
>of the .. by Jason Lee@zeus.calpoly.e 
>> and that the ball carries well in Denver's altitude.  I hope that Cole can
>> develop into the outstanding leadoff hitter that he has the potential to
>> become.
>
>Cole is 26.  That potential is becoming what you see is what you get.  A
>very good pick for the Rockies, especially if he plays center.  He looks
>a lot like Mark Clayton(Dolphins wide receiver) for whatever that is
>worth.  He is a usable player.  I think outstanding leadoff hitter is
>going a little too far.
>

Well, I didn't really mean outstanding like HOF outstanding.  I think Cole is
one step away from being one of the best in the game, but unfortunately, he
isn't as consistent with his base stealing as most, and he is one of the most
punchless hitters I've seen in a while.  I believe Cole has yet to get his
first major league home run.

Cole willl probably hit around .290, as he always seems to do, but his OBP
leaves something to be desired.  You're right about outstanding going a
little too far.  How about above average?

Cole is definitely major league ability, and will be a valuable component of
the Rockies.
 
-- 
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
GO ROCKIES 1993
Baylor for President
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From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Keith Mitchell ???
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.213318.6239@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar) writes:

>I figure that the Brave's three protect
>players (after the loss of Neid) were Pete Smith, Merker and Mitchell.  

I figure Smith, Mercker, and Lemke.
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From: thornley@pico.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Minor trade
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:48:09 GMT

In article <By17wB.DEs@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>I heard that the Twins traded Darren Reed to the Mets, but who did they get
>in return?  I'm assuming it was little more than a six-pack and a bag of 
>peanuts.  Just curious.
>
Pat Howell, a very fast outfielder who appears to be hopeless with a bat.
Twins fans may remember that the Twins picked him up in the Rule 5 draft
a while ago, but didn't want to keep him in the majors, so the Mets got
him back.  At best, Howell will be the second coming of Jarvis "World
Series Ring" Brown.  Unfortunately, the Twins seem to be constantly
looking for speed (as opposed to, say, defensive ability and baserunning
skill), so they may try to play him one of these years.

Personally, I woulda given Reed another year to see if he can do anything,
rather than trade for Powell, but I don't run the team.

David Thornley
"The player must be known as fast, but must secretly be willing to take a walk"
- Niccolo Machiavelli
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expansion Draft Update -- Complete Round 1 Results
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:19:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov17.211947.110236
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


                          MLB Expansion Draft
                              Live Update
                              as of  1:13

                                ROUND 1
    Colorado Rockies                          Florida Marlins
 1) David Nied, RHP, Atlanta               1) Nigel Wilson, OF, Toronto
 2) Charlie Hayes, 3B, N. Y. Yankees       2) Jose Martinez, RHP, N. Y. Mets
 3) Darren Holmes, RHP, Milwaukee          3) Bret Barberie, 2B, Montreal
 4) Jerald Clark, OF, San Diego            4) Trevor Hoffman, RHP, Cincinnati
 5) Kevin Reimer, OF, Texas                5) Pat Rapp, RHP, San Francisco
 6) Eric Young, 2B, Los Angeles            6) Greg Hibbard, LHP, C. White Sox
 7) Jody Reed, 2B, Boston                  7) Chuck Carr, OF, St. Louis
 8) Scott Aldred, LHP, Detroit             8) Darrell Whitmore, OF, Cleveland
 9) Alex Cole, OF, Pittsburgh              9) Eric Helfand, C, Oakland
10) Joe Girardi, C, C. Cubs               10) Bryan Harvey, RHP, California
11) Willie Blair, RHP, Houston            11) Jeff Conine, 1B, Kansas City
12) Jay Owens, C, Minnesota               12) Kip Yaughn, RHP, Baltimore
13) Andy Ashby, RHP, Philadelphia         13) Jesus Tavarez, OF, Seattle
-- 
Continuing your live Expansion Draft Updates,
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:51:50 GMT

Well, Marlins fans, who suddenly think themselves supreme, think of this:

1. the Rockies are not rich. We do not have a billionaire with an open 
checkbook as an owner. We have a comglomeration of various people trying 
to build a team on a shoestring budget So, if you more carefully analyze the
draft, you see that the Rocks took a lot of quality minor league players to 
stock at Colo. Springs and (insert some Eastern League team here). The 
Marlins drafted a lineup for 1993-1995. The Rockies drafted for 1994-2000.

2. Denver will draw 3-4 million next year. Miami? 1.5 mil? 2 mil????
   The Rockies are 4th in the majors in season tickets, 9th in 
merchandise. Florida????
People love black, silver, purple. TEAL??????? 

So, I proudly make these predictions:

September 2000:
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Colorado Rockies locked up a wild-card berth in the
National League playoffs today, beating the Dodgers 4-2. David Nied got 
his 45th save of the year.

ST. PETERSBURG (AP) - the Florida Marlins guaranteed themselves of their 
third straight 100 loss season in a humiliating 17-1 loss to their 
cross-state rivals, the Tampa Pirates. Tim Wakefield struck out 14.
The Marlins, who won the NL East pennant in their first year of existance,
have fallen off in the past four years, due to "a thin minor league system",
according to team owner Wayne Huneigza. 
In a related note, the NL comfirmed that Japanese corporate giant Nippon 
Electronics plans to buy the team and move them to Tokyo.

ROCKIES ROCKIES ROCKIES!!! Just win! Please? at least 63 times?

-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
Currently at:	 |"George Bush is Out of Time. Bill Clinton and Al Gore
Box 1143	 |are Automatic for the People."
Boulder, CO 80306|		-VP Elect Al Gore, 10-29-1992
From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the anti-hit is gone
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:25:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov21.154635.6448@Princeton.EDU>, 
      niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>Incidentally, the Angels last year managed something I've never seen before.  
>They had no players, NONE, who slugged .400.  Not even a September
>callup.  Rene Gonzales lead the team with a .398.  (He also managed to
>be the only one, besides Dick Schofield's 3 ABs, to have an OBP above .350)
> 
>Now, Gonzales has a good year, but when he's your only above average
>offensive player...  And the worst part is, you look at their team and
>don't even see any hope.  Who even has the *potential* to be above
>average?  No one at c,1b,2b,ss, OR 3b. Chad Curtis, maybe.  Anyone else?

I thought Tim Salmon and Damion Easley were supposed to be comers, although
I admit I know nothing of their backgrounds. Are they older or something ?

Ted Kury
v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: JAYS Will Acquire Jim Abbott	
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:35 EST  

In article <1992Nov17.174538.10479@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, 
     news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) writes...

>According to Marty York, Sports Editor/Columnist for the
>Globe and Mail, the BLUE JAYS have agreed to terms with
>the ANGELS on a deal that will send Todd Stottlemyre, Randy
>Knorr and Domingo Martinez to California in return for
>Jim Abbott.  
>Folks this deal is one that you can bank on - not like this
>Borders, Lee for Alomar, Baerga nonsense I've been reading
>about.

You're right about the nonsense, but I wouldn't hurry to the 
bank on this Abbott deal if I were you - not just yet.  The
Tribe is in negotiations with Toronto for Stottlemyre at this 
moment, per WKNR's Professor Geoff Sindelar.

RG

"I don't know how [the Indians] lose.  I really don't."  -  John Smiley
"The Indians will give up [Albert Belle] for a bucket of warm spit."  -  CRASH
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Former Brewers :(
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:11:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I'm sure maybe just one or two of you rsbb people must know how the draft
has went. Could anybody that knows please send me some Email on what players
from the Milwaukee organization were drafted. I'm seriously hoping that
after Holmes was drafted that Austin, Fetters, Troy O' Leary and Angel
Miranda were protected. The Brewhas can definitely live without Dante
Bichette.

--salty

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From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Cone in KC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154812@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
 writes...

>I really haven't seen too much from the Royals farm team.  They seem to
>be trading it away all the time.  And local rumor about Cone coming
>here to pitch.  Both Carter and Cone have houses here, which probably
>explains their wanting to be Royals.

	If the Royals can somehow sign David Cone to a 4-year deal, I may 
partially forgive them for their almost obscene stupidity over the last month
or so (re: DAVID *&%^$#@! HOWARD).  Cone is, at age 29, not a terribly old
free agent (Boddicker was 33 when he signed), and he did strikeout 261 men in
250 innings this year, so I don't think he's too much a risk to grow old 
suddenly in the next few years.  On the other hand, the abuse of his arm by
the Mets this year is well documented (the infamous 166-pitch outing, followed
by a 133-pitch outing in his next start), and he did walk 111 men in 250 
innings, indicating that he may have been suffering from fatigue at the end of
the year (his walk rate increased significantly after being traded to the Blue
Jays).  I think that this is just temporary fatigue, and that at age 29 his arm
is mature enough that it won't suffer in the long-term too much from this 
season.  On the other hand, this is the Royals, and if they sign him, he'll be
swapping surgery stories with Mark Gubicza by August.

>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
>(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
>(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA

	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:56 EST  

In article <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org>, shadow@r-node.gts.org 
     (Jay Chu) writes...

>Well, the Indians have offered the Blue Jays always-hurt catcher Sandy Alomar
>in exchange for World Series hard working MVP catcher Pat Borders.
>Apparently Pat Gillick turned this offer down.  But, Gillick wants
>Baerga included in the deal.  The Indians said, in that case, short stop
>Manuel Lee must be thrown in the deal as well.

I would like to see the references for this one.  In short, this "true rumor"
is "not true."

Alomar and Fermin for Borders and Lee might be within the bounds of realism.

RG

"I don't know how [the Indians] lose.  I really don't."  -  John Smiley
"I know the Indians change management more often than I change my shorts,
 but I don't think that's such a wonderful defense."  -  jking
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From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: All-Star Team Voting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:34:00 GMT

Come on and vote now that the expansion draft is over. 
  Results so far:
           AL           NL
1st-      Thomas      McGriff
2nd-      Alomar      DeShields/Lind/Sandberg
SS-       Fryman      Fernandez
3rd-      Martinez    Sheffield
OFs-      Griffey     Bonds
          Gonzalez    Grissom
          Carter      Walker   
SP-       Brown       Glavine/Maddux
RP-       Eck         Wetteland
Manager-  LaRussa     Alou
 Others receiving votes were Anderson,Sierra,Larkin,Pendelton,Van Slyke,
   Gaston, Dibble,Juan Guzman,Henke,Clemens

  Send "votes" to b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu or cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu
  I WANT OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: All Star Team Update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:24:00 GMT

Here's an update of the All Star Team voting:
             AL           NL
1st       Thomas-9      McGriff-9
2nd       Alomar-9      DeSheilds-4
                        Sandberg-2
                        Lind-1(AL 2B now)
                        Thompson-1
                        Roberts-1
SS       Fryman-6       Fernandez-5
         Listach-3      Larkin-4
3B       Martinez-8     Sheffield-6
         Ventura-1      Pendelton-3
C        Tettleton-8    Dautlon-7
                        Pagnozzi-1
OFs      Gonzalez-6     Bonds-9
         Griffey-6      Walker-9
         Carter-4       VanSlyke-5
         Puckett-3      Grissom-4
         Anderson-3
         Sierra-2
         Mack-2
         Henderson-1
SP-      Clemens-5      Maddux-7
         Guzman,Ju-2    Glavine-2
         Brown-2
RP-      Eck-7          Wetteland-6
         Henke-1        Dibble-1
                        Franco-1
Manager LaRussa-4       Alou-8
        Garner-3        Leyland-1
        Gaston-2
 I want more votes on Monday morning!!!!! When I come in on Monday
 morning, I want to be owerwhelmed with votes, and none of these
 bonehead votes for Rickey "Hot Dog" Henderson.
   Mail 'em to b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu or cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu

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From: as298@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen E. McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Comments on NL protected lists
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:23:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, jdd@wheezer.wustl.edu (John DeHart) says:

>There was an article in the Sunday paper about Ozzie's agent. 
>She, (no typo, she is one of two female agents in MLB) mentioned four
>clubs that had spoken to her about Ozzie. I only recall Toronto and the
>Yankees. 

The other two teams were the Astros and the Rangers. He talked to the
Astros last week and was given an undisclosed amount for a contract.
He then went from Houston to arlington to talk to the Rangers. He
told the press in Houston that he really was interested in what other 
clubs were willing to offer him, but he does not want to leave the 
Cards.
I hope he stays with the Cards and ends his career there. He has
done a lot for the community there and should be allowed to stay
there. But, I said the same for Nolan Ryan and look what happened
there.

Stephen

-- 
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418 MacArthur            You killed my father...
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