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From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Subject: Re: [SDCC] Re: BATMAN CARTOON 
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.175431.3995@midway.uchicago.edu> ttak@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>This sounds interesting.  Is Batman aimed at kids or everyone?"

The producers are trying for everyone, but as it will show mostly in the late
afternoon it is being promoted as a kids show.

>Is Batman going to be in his original gray and blue suit or the
>movie suit? 

The Blue and Grey suit.

>... Is this going to be based on the movies?

The look of Gotham City will be very like the movies (but notice the lately
that the look of Gotham in the comics looks like the movies too).  Cars will
all be 40's ish.  Character design and story line are mostly taken from the
comics.  Robin will appear in about 1/5 of the episodes, and is Dick Greyson
who is 18-20 and away at college most of the time (they did this to avoid
compaints about child endangerment from the Standards & Practices people).
Robin's costume is based loosely on the current robin costume from the comic
books.

>So its September 5,6, what time?

The first episode will be Sat Sept 5 in the morning, episode 2 will be
Sun the 6 in the early evening, 3-7 Mon sept 7 - Fri sept 11 late afternoon
(4-5:30 ish), episode 8 again on Sat sept 12 in the morning then it goes
to its regular schedule of late afternoon week days, they are doing 65 episodes
for this season (although they wouldn't promise that there would be
no repeats before showing all 65).

-- 
Mark Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com

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From: nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok)
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:09:38 GMT

Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) wrote:
: birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
: 
: >In article <bjm1.714116326@Ra.MsState.Edu>, bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
: >> I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
: >> artwork.
: 
: >         Criminy, what do they think *is* appropriate for Lobo? I will not
: >    buy any Lobo that is not done by Bisley. Never. No "Blazing Chain of
: >    Love" (although I *do* like the Brereton cover) and no "Lobo's Back" if
: >    Bisley didn't do it. Bisley has this "over-the-top" style that really
: >    works for this kinda stuff.
: 
: Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
: spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
: mini-series I like to get the whole thing. Unless the first issue is really
: bad, which Lobo's Back wasn't.
: 
: Jed

The thing is, you guys haven't seen the stuff "The Biz" is really
capable of. Compared with Slaine and JDvBatman, Lobo is crap (badly
drawn 5 minute scribbles). Bisley is at his best when fully painting
stories.
nudd

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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: All the crossovers happened! (was Re: JLA/JSA teamup list (was Re: JLA/JSA team-up history
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:31:20 GMT

> Here are my guesses on what still exists post-Crisis:
> 
> >JLA 21-22: "Crisis on Earth-One"/"Crisis on Earth-Two"
> >Probably still happened, in some form, to get the ball rolling..
 
[crossover stories that "did/didn't happen" through 244 deleted]

Hey, all these stories happened... I've got the comics to prove it!!!:)
But no one pays any attention to me.  I don't exist in post-crisis  
continuity since I'm from Earth Prime. ;<)
---
Roy SeGuine  NeXT Cyberspace Architech 
*A crisis is just the end of an illusion*
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: METROPOL A.D.
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:17:47 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys

In article <24948@castle.ed.ac.uk> eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann Irving) writes:
>
>	
>	I am surprised that no one has posted about Metropol A.D yet. 

Yow!  I didn't know it was out!  After seeing your post, I asked at my
local store.  Sure enough, it was on an out-of-the-way shelf usually
used for last month's leftovers.

>I mean you must like it right? The story is as original and bizarre as
>ever, and the artwork is brilliant. Can't say I like the price much
>though.

On the art and price I agree with you.  The writing seems to be a 
little formulaic.  The characters speak in cliches; perhaps this is
McKeever's grand plan, but I found it annoying.  

In the first 12 issues of Metropol, I could almost hear the background
music.  The texture of decay and desperation was very lush; it made
a very biblical armageddon story very human and gripping.  This book
has the feel of a book done for the purpose of capitalizing on the
success of a predecessor, outwearing the characters and extending past
the plot boundaries which would fit the story.  That cannot, of course,
be true, as it was not a particularly popular book, and the plot of
the first volume clearly is not completed.  As I say, it just feels
that way: artificial, and a little forced.

We were also promised that in the year or so between the volumes, 
big changes will have taken place in the characters' lives.  I don't
see any, other than the fact that the first four angels have lost
their personalities, and Uriel had her baby.

The cover is quite annoying: Uriel with a baby on her hip, holding a
very Liefeldesque gun.  Plus, a big starburst blurb: "The RETURN of 
the CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED TITLE!"  Ack.  I know what I like.  Stop
yelling.

At least Nigel (from "Transit") appeared.  Huh.  I hope McKeever gets
back into his rhythm soon.

>	I'm going to have to search out the issues from the original
>series that I am missing now. I had been putting it off till I had more
>money, but this series has renewed my interest. 

Get them, absolutely.  Metropol was amazing.

>The only bad thing about it is that it's only three issues.

Heh.  I hope that that doesn't turn out to be a good thing.

--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu

   Bugs: "It's curtains for you, Rocky!" (hangs curtains on Rocky's head) 
   Rocky: "Oh, they're adorable!"
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug/TICK/Etc.
Keywords: Interesting, more info
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:44:11 GMT

>In <1992Aug13.225733.20615@cco.caltech.edu> jwf@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Jon Flower) writes:

>>Also, can anyone recommend other good books in a similar (funny) vein?

Sam and Max: Freelance Police.  In fact, a reprint color special was just
published (released Friday) that's a good starter.  As the ad says, "The
charming tale of a bunny, a dog, and large-caliber automatic weapons."  Plus
a hell of a lot of jabs at pop culture. :-)

--dave
-------------
Max: Here's an experiment you can do: leave a bag of bread on top of the 
refrigerator for a long time.  It will eventually turn grey and taste bad.
Now throw it in the street.
----
Sam: Where *do* you keep that gun?
Max: Non of your damn business, Sam.


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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Organization: Inland Sea
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:31:28 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>Hey, I want Delirium #1!!!  But I thought only *viable* titles would get spun 
>off...}-> 

You know, a Delirium/Delight limited series might be pretty fascinating....
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Big Numbers?
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:08:52 GMT

In article <14198@auspex-gw.auspex.com> hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:
>I remember buying issue #1 a long time ago and I was looking through my 
>collection the other night and I found myself wondering if I had ever gotten
>Big Numbers #2. So I went down to the dealer and they told me that Moore
>just hasn't done anything with it. Does anyone have any inside information
>or such?
>

Well, issue 2 did, indeed, come out not too long after issue 1.  But then
nothing happened.  The "offical" word was that Siekiewicz got too involved
with freelance advertising work and such to continue on the book.  I've heard
from various sources, tho', that that is a load of dung.  The truth is
Siekiewicz went through a pretty bad break-up around the time that he started
work on issue 2, and that, combined with the appearance of other artists doing
work similar (but often superior) to his (such as Dave McKean) sort of took
away a lot of his confidence, as well as his urge to work.  Basically, his
"assistant", Al Columbia finished issue 2 for him (some stories say that
Columbia actually did the whole of issue 2), and after a hiatus, Moore has
decided to continue the book with Columbia as artist.  So, expect issue 3
before the end of the year.
 
Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryeson.ca
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: LSH #34
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:44:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

1. Why does King John refer to Bounty as a member of the Legion?  Are
we supposed to assume that someone made a general announcement "We
don't know anything about the woman who showed up with Celeste Rockfish,
but she's a good shot, so please consider her a Legionnaire"?

2. The story was good.  If it had appeared a year ago, I don't believe
there would have been many complaints from those who are now so volubly
disappointed by the title.  (I except the artwork, in which sloppy inking
has once more overpowered good pencilling.)

3. The six-page Timber Wolf preview is a six-page fist fight.  Why is
this preview appearing in LSH, rather than in a more punchiminaface-
oriented title?  Do they expect this preview to attract LSH readers
who otherwise wouldn't have bought the Timber Wolf mini-series?

4. I liked Darios's aquatic metaphors.  Good scripting there.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: BIG NUMBERS (was Re: Assorted ramblings)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.175409.25229@zooid.guild.org>, ecurrent@zooid.guild.org (Greg Clow) writes:
> 
> BIG NUMBERS: And speaking of Moore... yes, BIG NUMBERS 3 will be out 
> before the end of the year, with art being taken over by Al Columbia, who 
> was Sienkiewicz's "assistant" on issues 1 & 2.

If you want to see Columbia's work, check out DOGHEAD from Tundra.  At first
I thought it was a Dave McKean book.  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: grendel
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:15:06 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Silverback is only for the Grendel completeists.  It does feature
>excerpts from the Grendel Novel, and some of Messner Loebs better
>work, but its very self-reverential and strange.  #2, by the way, is
>basically a Grendel meets Journey issue set in the 19th century
>outposts.
>

Does anyone know if this Grendel novel has ever been published?

Howard
hcheng@auspex.com


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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Organization: Huh?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:39:30 GMT
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In article <1992Aug20.110938.9436@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok) writes:

> The thing is, you guys haven't seen the stuff "The Biz" is really
> capable of. Compared with Slaine and JDvBatman, Lobo is crap (badly
> drawn 5 minute scribbles). Bisley is at his best when fully painting
> stories.
> nudd

         Well, I was first drawn to Bisley's Doom Patrol covers. JDvBatman
    was really nice to look at, also. I agree, Bisley's painted work is
    much better than his Lobo.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: grendel
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:22:54 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

edwick@chaucer.uucp (25818-colbert) writes:

>In <1992Aug13.153203.28466@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>>    Hopefully, Dark Horse will be releasing TPBs for the other chapters
>>in the Grendel Saga. I think it would be cool to have compilations of
>>the 2 that dealt with Orian Assante, aka the Grendel Kahn.
>>
>>    For those of you who are new to the story, all I can really say is
>>read and try to go with the flow until DH starts reprinting the TPBs in
>>the next year or so. 

>   Wait, I'm confused.  Has Dark Horse promised to reprint TPBs already
>or is this just wishful thinking?  From the first paragraph, I would
>think that Grendel TPBs from Dark Horse are wishful thinking, but the
>second makes it sound like it's a certainty.

    Sorry for beign heavily vague in my posting. The first paragraph
deals with TPBs that don't currently exist, of the chapters in the
Grendel Saga after Issue 15. The second paragraph was based on the
assumption that DH will re-release the Grendel TPBs that have already
been made. Maybe they will do the Mage TPBs too.

>   Since it's Dark Horse publishing Grendel now, can we expect a Grendel
>vs. Predator miniseries?

    God I hope not.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
		   "A clear case of curare poisoning
	       of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
From: jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: 2000AD RULES
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:53:04 GMT
	<1992Aug20.110321.9110@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hmmm, favorite 2000 AD stuff... tricky, there's so much of it :-)

Hands-down, my favorite stuff ever in it was Nemesis. Mills is
brilliant. While the quality of the Dredd stories varies,
they're generally very good (as are the Judge Anderson solos).
Halo Jones and Skizz were great, too. And DR & Quinch.

Finn is shaping up pretty well... when I first saw the first part,
I was worried that Pat Mills was trying to re-create Nemesis... the
resemblence between Finn with the horned helmet on and Nemesis
was strong, and Mills was playing up on the "make use of your
dark side" theme that he loves. He's taking Finn in a completely
different (well, mostly different :-) direction, though. So far,
no complaints. The artwork is certainly great!

Friday is OK as Rogue, though I'll miss the old Rogue with the
bio-chips (yeah, I know it was kinda hokey, but it's one of the
first 2000 AD stories I ever read).

Slaine was great... Bisley did some of his best work ever on it. While
I like what he did with Lobo, at times his over-exaggerated grphics
became a little over-over-exaggerated. In Slaine, he seemed to know
when to back off (and when to cover the page with blood...)

There have been some really awful stories, though, too... Harlem heroes
comes to mind, along with some of the Dredd stories, and ABC warriors
(all the versions). for some reason, they really grate on my nerves.
Some of the Sam Slade stories were a little forced, too. 

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Chess subtleties
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)

In article <BtC4tr.C6v@world.std.com>, Alexx@world (Alexx S Kay) writes:
>Also has anyone noticed that (barring the cover to 158) we never see Po
>actually move a piece?  At the ends of his long speeches, his moves are
>"discovered", but he doesn't seem to actually touch the pieces.  And the
>one exception, 158, is also the only place (recently) where we've seen him
>(or part of him anyways) not translucent.  Comments?

Also, it seems to me a tremendous disadvantage to have one player
standing on the board, and the other looking at it from above.  Aside
from the difficulty of pushing around pieces that are substantially
larger than yourself, it is difficult to get a good view of the
developing game from board-level.  Try squatting down and looking at the
board horizontally the next time you play chess, and you'll see what I
mean.

I'm kind of dissapointed that it's a game of chess, anyway -- for one
thing, it's as cliched as modeling a short story on a song form, and for
another, I vastly prefer Go to chess anyway.
-- 
    Doug Moran        | Heck, picture if aliens ever landed in California.
   dougm@hal.com      | Instead of running away or even inquiring about the
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | secrets of the universe, *Californians* would probably
 HaL Computer Systems | ask the BEMs if they had any new cuisine!
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Recent Releases
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:14:19 GMT

In article <Bt9y82.4us@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>
>>Archer & Armstrong is just brilliant. Easily valiants best title. I

>BWS art looks hopeless in this title. I've only seen a bit of his Conan
>stuff and Weapon X and I enjoyed it. Unfortunately the art in Archer
>& Armstrong is weak. The difference between Weapon X and A&A is so
>extreme you cannot tell it is the same artist.

Needless to say, I disagree with you. I'm not an art expert and I
certainly cannot tell you in technical detail why the art on A&A is
great, but I like it. It may seem like a standard response, but compared
to some of the art in other comics right now, it is amazing.

another reason why I like it is because it stands out from the other
Valiant titles. I don't object to the kind of uniform studio art that
Valaint uses, but it is nice to see something stand out from the pack
and A&A does that admirably.

Whatever your faults with the art, you can't knock the writing. The only
other comic I collect that makes me laugh like this title does is
X-Factor. There are obviously funnier comics out there, but you might be
hard pressed to find one that mixes humour and action so well. Also, one
of (if not the) best buddy comic out there.

Anyone else want to leap to the defense or the attack on this one?

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*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Fox's Fall Animation--Batman and X-men
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Aug17.204359.14920@deeptht.armory.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:09:15 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Aug 92 20:43:59 GMT, crisper@deeptht.armory.com (Crisper Than Thou) said:

crisper> News from the San Diego Comicon on the animated BATMAN:

crisper> It starts Sept 5th (Saturday) morning. Then a prime-time show
crisper> on the 6th and THEN they start the daily late-afternoon runs.
crisper> About thirty episodes are in the can and ready to go.

Now are the episodes on the 5th, 6th, and 7th the same episode, or a
different episode for each of the first nights? I want to get them all
on tape, and wouldn't want to miss any.
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:07:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In article <dusek.714239237@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>
>>Death #1 : Comes with contact poison on the last page, making it incredibly
>>valuable because no one knows the whole story and is alive to tell us about it
>
>	Wear rubber gloves to read the last page.

Of course, the people who bought it as an investment and immediately bagged
it would be saved too. Perhaps somes the cover could react with polyethylene
or something to create an acidic gas. Needs work.

>	Aren't we getting a death mini series this fall? Isn't it the
>High cost of living or something like that.

Spring is the date I heard. The High Cost of Living is indeed the working 
title. Now up to three books. (Originally one book, later two books. These
creative types have problems with integers. B{) DC has used some of the
art in its promos. Death looks a little too much like Paula Abduhl (sp?)
for my tastes, but the second picture used was fairly impressive and true
to form.

BTW, one could argue that Delirium's mini-series is the current Sandman arc.
She seems to be the only character involved throughout.

BTW II, last we saw of Sandman Mark I he was having a stroke. (JSA #1) Do you
suppose if he were to die that Death would show up? Or would that confuse
the continuitiphiles too much?

BTW III, There have been a few rumors posted that list Mike Dringenburg
as the source. So what exactly is Mike up to these days? He's still my 
favorite Sandman artist.
--
 Lance "The Weasel" Smith  | "He which brings no hustle to this game
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Let him depart; his waivers will be cleared,
  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V