Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
From: <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 23:58:43 EDT
 <1992Sep29.030719.1@cua.edu><92277.214457LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1992Oct4.161004.12417@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)  wrote
/ Too often we asked ourselves what (or whom) we are important to, shouldn't
/we think once in a while what (or who) are important to us?  Yes, CCP wants
/you to keep your mouth shut.  The best you can do is to hide under the
/umbrella of U.S government and wait until the situation in China all clear up?
/Occasionally I would hear about Chinese being selfish, I always took defensive
/side to that.  However, what happened in U.S. after '6.4' force me to think
/it twice.  The only two heavy lobbies by us is for ourselves, and we are
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/advised to not to mention any human right improvement in China

 I do not agree. I came here before `6.4` and was a F-1er for Ph.D. I did
 think those guys who pushed so hard on Protection bills were selfish.
 They just wanted to get rid of to two-year home residency requirement.
 But SOME OF THEM are not. Mr. Zhao Haiqing, who is the leading person
fighting for this S1216 does not need this bill HIMSELF. Although
I do not know him personnally, I heard he is a post-doc fellow at a
prestigious university, and that can easily be converted to a GREEN CRAD.
He fights for us for virtually nothing for himself, and we all owe him
a lot. This is the person we should admire. He is NOT SELFISH. (This
is my own impression about him. Please tell me if you think otherwise)

/( not I think there's much).  I have to admire Shen Tong.  For all his

/unlikenesses ( to me anyway), he is the guy dared to face the CCP and made his
/voice heard, not many of our anger CSS are willing to do that.  We are only
I agree. Mr Shen Tong IS a courageous person (although I do not agree
 what he had done in China, to expose   so many people). It is certain he
had paved somehow the passage of S1216.

/willing to make his arrest another hard evident for our lobbying for the
/'card'.  For all of us who want the democracy more than anything, why we want
/to shut down the opposition of the protection bill using the words like 'mad',

I do not agree. Not WE, but SOME OF US. Some of us ARE SELFISH, but not
not all of us. Same is true that some of us do not want democracy. Some
of us want to stereotype all of us. Democracy is easy to be advocated,
but not to be learned. Please look at the so called Chiness Democracy
Front. every body mants to shut someone else up. That is not democratic.

/'stupid'....  So this is how we build our democracy, by shout out anyone who

/against our ways of thinking.  Why I feel there is a similarity between this
/  and the doing of a certain government.
/  Can we all think for a moment what is important to us?
/  I donot mean to take it out on the original article, just want to give
/eople my Sunday morning before football thoughts.  Thus, I apologize for
/osting a follow-up article.
/
/ Brian

I do not agree. Courageous and unselfish come in all shapes and ways.
Certainly Mr. Zhao Haiqing and Shen Tong fall in this category.
Still others who do not act like them are. We do not have to act all
like Mr. Zhao and Shen. Most of us ARE ordinary people. We have to
try to understand them, to suport them. We also have to understand
ourselves. We want democracy. We decided to leave China, and have
decided to return China to promote democracy, that is Shen Tong's
way saying 'We want democracy' to the government. If we have decided
to stay in US, that is the way of Mr. Zhao, who displays the
dissatisfaction towards the government, 'we do not like your way
of doing things, you are autocracy, and we do not like it!'  No one
is perfect, you and I alike. It is too easy to find faults of the
others.

Wang L H
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