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From: wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-Choice
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:17:47 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Aug29.170343.11475@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes:
>Before we get too off base, does someone have a reference on the Morning
>After Pill?

_Masters & Johnson on Sex and Human Loving_ describes the morning
after pill as diethylstilbestrol, abbreviated DES. M&J conclude that
while morning after pills are almost completely effective (pregancy
rate < 1%) in cases where other contraceptive methods were unused or
broke down (rape, broken condom, etc), the side effects (nausea,
aching, vomiting, menstrual problems) make them unsuitable for
'everyday' contraceptive use.

The mechanism by which DES functions is not described by M&J.

>  I can't find the "real" name of the darn thing, so I can't
>look it up.  If someone happens to have this info around, please post a 
>summary of exactly how it works.  Hvaing to rely on my old, rusty noggin
>really frightens me.
>
>David L. Leon
>dleon@seas.smu.edu
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Evil government
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:56:47 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <21401@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
>Subject: Re: Evil government
>Date: 22 Aug 92 20:29:33 GMT

>In article <7173@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>Why not? The US Government has the Midas Muffler touch: everything they touch
>>turns to shit.

>Hey!  That's .signature material!
>-- 
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>Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  touch: everything they touch turns to
>UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  shit."
>Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |                  -- Jay Maynard

I like it.
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Teachers
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:42:21 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Aug27.150054.6072@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:

>I recently heard that the ratio of administrative personel to total
>school system employees nationwide has increased from 15% to 30% in the
>last 30 years in this country.  I don't remember where I read that,
>maybe "The Economist".  That's where real change is needed.  Fire those
>morons.  Make 'em get a real job.

>Will Bill Clinton do that?  
>Will George Bush do that?  
>Will Vouchers do that?
>Will school choice programs that are internal to public schools do that?

>The answers I think are respectively, NO WAY, NO since Congress won't
>help, Yes, and Probably.

I think you need to change one of your answers.  If choice among
public schools gets a 'probably', you also need to change Bill Clinton
to a 'probably', since he favors choice among public schools.

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From: JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:34:20 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug26.082829.29508@cactus.org>
rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
 
[Much whining over the apparent failures of his bad, or at least ill-
 presented, college education, and the futility of arguing on the basis
 of incomplete information (as if we ever had that).]
 
>in fact, that's a cornerstone of my belief that the
>least destructive path should be followed, in this case--given the doubts
>on both sides, it only makes logical sense to eliminate abortion-on-demand).
 
As opposed to what, abortion-by-court-order?
 
>A 100% abortion rate is a logical extreme of her "moralistic" argument,
>and that is the grounds that it should be argued on.  It is poorly thought
>out, unworkable, and has precious little basis for it to be argued for so
>passionately.  IMHO.
 
You, sirrah, are guilty of bad rhetorical practices.  You should have your
license suspended. :-) Ms. Moore never, once, in her posts, suggested that,
despite your distortions.  Far from suggesting that poor women be REQUIRED
to abort pregnancies, she advocated their having the CHOICE to do so on
their own initiative, rather than being DENIED them as you would have it.
 
Joseph L. Lockett
jlock00@ricevm1.rice.edu
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: The blame game
Organization: very unorganized
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:11:37 GMT

>> I just noticed something. This whole election the Republicans have blamed
>> Congress for the deficit and the recession, Bush was just along for the 
>> ride. During the 80's, the growth we had was caused by Reagan. Why doesn't
>> Congress get credit for that? After all, if someone is going to flack

>Probably because Reagan dragged the liberals (kicking and screaming) all the
>way to the tax cuts.  The tax cuts are what made the economy boom.

And also a large part of what caused the deficit to boom during the
same period leading up to the weakening of the economy.  Also reduced
investment in domestic economy.
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: The blame game
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Date: 2 Sep 92 20:51:49 GMT

In article <21450@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. H writes...
>In article <cornell.715375276@vivaldi> cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht) writes:
>>jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>>He [Johnson] left Nixon with
>>>a recession in 1968 - Carter did the same thing to Reagan.  By contrast,
>>>Reagan and Bush ...
>>
>>And Bush is about to do it to the next pres...
> 
>No, the economy is currently growing at a 2 to 3% rate, and will continue
>to expand over the next year or two no matter who is elected.
>
Only over the last few months, not a year. And unless you have a crystal
ball handy, your prediction is only speculation (unless you know something
you didn't post).

>The '91 - '92 recession is a direct result of the tax increase of 1990 and
>the growth of the 80's. 

Pardon my ignorance, but how does the growth of the 80's cause the 
current recession unless you are saying that we morgaged our future
in the 80's. In that case I agree with you.

>As for the 80's growth, we are much better off than we were in 1981, or
>even 1984 or '85. 

Clarification requested. How are we better off than in 85'?

>This current down-turn was successfully predicted over 90 years ago.

Do they say when we will come out of the down-turn?

 The only problem with George Bush is that he
>isn't Ronald Reagan.

And your saying that this is bad? Right?

  What we need MOST at this time is a president that
>isn't going to set us up for a serious roller-coaster ride in 10 years by
>pumping Federal deficit dollars into the national economy.
> 
Like FDR did when he successfully reduced unemployment.

-Garrett
From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice C
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:46:45 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <LH47PB2w165w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
> 
> I've quoted sources showing under what philosophy Sanger organized Planned
> Parenthood.  It's in your ballpark to refute it. A "philosophy of hate for

I was a little suspicious of the information you presented about Margaret
Sanger, just because it was so inflammatory.  So I looked in a reference
that I happened to have nearby (_Chronicle of the 20th Century_).  It
presents a very different view of Margaret Sanger, and I thought you would
appreciate the other side. ;)
  
Sept 6, 1966 "Margaret Sanger...died today at the age of 82.  She was born
Margaret Higgens, raised in New York state by a heavy-drinking socialist
father and a mother worn out by bearing more than a dozen babies. 
Margaret became a nurse and witnessed the ugly effects of self-induced
abortions.  She swore to end them.  The nurse raised three children (one
died young) and raised hell sending birth control information through the
mails.  she went to France to study contraceptives there; she came back
with pessaries, diaphragms and jellies.  In 1916, she opened a birth
control clinic in Brooklyn.  It was swiftly shut down.  She attacked laws
against birth control step by step until in 1953 she was President of the
International Planned Parenthood Federation."
  
I don't know which view is correct, maybe she was an evil eugenicist and
maybe she was a nurse who had compassion for women who didn't have a
choice about how they would spend their childbearing years.  Maybe she was
both.  Maybe there are some people who hate her because she freed the
[childbearing] slaves.  I agree with Joseph Lockett that her reasons and
her political views are irrelevant.  Planned Parenthood has done a lot of
public good.  When I was in college, I really appreciated being able to
get cheap birth control pills.
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From: darylb@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Daryl Biberdorf)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice C
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:33:01 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.


dirk@spacsun.rice.edu (Dirk Valk) writes:
> cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>> My point was that her philosophy still has had significant affect upon the
>> direction of Planned Parent hood even to this day.  
> 
> Excuse me, but how exactly does a 'philosophy of hate for the poor'
> translate into a directed effort to provide cheap, available birth control,
> gynecological services, and free HIV testing?  Not to mention sexual educatio
> Are you really suggesting that Planned Parenthood exists to carry out some
> sort of economic genocide?  Get a grip.

Have you read anything by Margaret Sanger?  I've read most of one of her
several books, and, unfortunately, I cannot remember the title.  They were
mostly the same in terms of their content.

All of the ones I skimmed made reference to the "feeble minded" and other
derogatory terms for the "under" classes.  Most of Sanger's arguments
are based on the supposition that the "lesser" people should not have
children because they pollute the gene pool.

Sounds like she wanted an Aryan race to me....

Note that I place many of Sanger's terms in quotes, because I do not
agree with these terms.  I feel that life is precious.

Daryl
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From: JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice C
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:20:07 GMT
Organization: Rice University

(houston.general removed from posting line to appease uninterested folk. :)
 
In article <ggkXPB5w165w@keys.lonestar.org>
cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
 
>The "poor" referred to is those who were born who would've otherwise been
>aborted.  That's exactly the argument Lorra made: the resulting babies would
>be subject to a life of terrible poverty, so they should be killed off
>before they have a chance to be born.  The other poster is showing you the
>logical end of the argument Lorra proposes: why stop at the unborn?: "Let's
>get rid of those poor who would've otherwise been aborted for the good of
>society."  Sarcastic, perhaps, but not as farfetched as either you or I would
>like to believe.
 
Why stop at the unborn?  Because they are, well, unborn, that's why. :-)
Big difference -- and no Macbethian comments on Caesarean sections, please.
I don't think that's the 'logical end of the argument' -- it's an attempt
to skew the slippery slope.  Pro-choice activists have very good reasons
for considering a fetus different from a living, breathing human being:
reasons which don't apply to bums on the street, minorities, etc.  Some
of them have already been covered in this thread.
 
>Go review the guiding philosophy of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned
>Parenthood.  One of the fundamental reasons she founded the organization was
>because she hated the poor (and the minorities) who kept having children.
>She wanted those vermin to stop having kids.  Lorra might not personally
>hold the same belief, but at least one significant leader in her camp did.
 
Yeah, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson kept slaves. What's your
point?
 
>I personally am a college-educated person (from the mid-70's and early
>80's).  Even back then there was a predominant political philosophy on
>campus ("liberal"), and to believe otherwise was to be "wrong."   If
>newspaper reports can be believed at all, the "political correctness"
>pressure is even greater than ever these days.  My point: not enough
>diversity of political opinion on campus, leading to skewed viewpoints of
>many of the students on campus.
 
Not on all campuses.  Rice, from what I see, is remarkably free of the
PC movement, especially compared to tales I hear of places like Yale and
Brown.  I can't speak for UoH, though perhaps Ms. Moore or others could
enlighten us there.  The Rice Pro-Life Movement is small but active at
this institution, and speak their mind whenever they can.  Few people
listen to them, of course, since we think they're wrong.  Ditto for
Young Republicans.... :-)
 
Joseph L. Lockett
jlock00@ricevm1.rice.edu
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From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 23 Aug 1992 19:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Distribution: usa
Organization: A Glorified, Overheated Swamp

In article <1992Aug20.161727.5659@u.washington.edu> cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:
- In article <wa#nn5c.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
- >"The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed
- >public can't fight back" -Adolf Hitler
- >
- 
- Someone else in this room has repeatedly asked you for a source on this quote,
- to which I have seen no response. Although the analogy to the armed American

	Well, not being a NAZI historian, I can't verify whether or
   not Hitler actually said what Crisp has attributed to him.  But 
   the following may help illustrate how Hitler felt about RKBA.   

  "... history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their
   subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall" 
                    -- Adolph Hitler, Edict of March 18, 1938.


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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Repulicans
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:00:28 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Aug28.190234.7656@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>No, I think when the company is poorly run, you start replacing with
>the man at the top.

In business, this works because the man at the top ie generally expected to
make personnel changes in those below him. The President cannot make changes
in Congress.
-- 
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            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:33:52 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <BowwPB1w165w@keys.lonestar.org> cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:

>Joe, what _is_ your point?  Nobody's talking about condemning anyone else. 
>Nobody's saying we don't learn from other people.  Which also includes the
>possibility of not accepting someone else's opinions, after considering
>them.  (And also includes the reverse.)  Let's not get into your moral
>relativism argument again.

Yes, by all means, let's stay out of that.

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From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion (was <None>)
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:15:53 GMT
Reply-To: kossack@qvi.com
Followup-To: talk.religion
Distribution: tx
Organization: A Glorified, Overheated Swamp

In article <1992Aug28.193708.16565@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
- Certainly, all states tacitly endorse a 'right not to be murdered', at
- least without due process of law. So, religious freedom does not allow
- human sacrifice. 

	I can understand a conclusion that such would not allow 
   unwilling human sacrifice.  However, suppose that a member of 
   "The Sons of Abraham" wishes to receive the sacrament, but is 
   prevented by state law.  Does this anti-human-sacrifice law 
   violate his First Amendment rights?  Why or why not? 


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From: patrick@convex.COM (Patrick F. McGehearty)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: iraq vanquished
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:46:16 GMT
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In article <4651@d75.UUCP> curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:
>
>Perhaps George could do as much good for this country if the democrats
>would stop pandering to the AARP and the unions, and lead, follow or
>get out of the way.  But we'll never know will we?
>
It is misleading to imply that the demos are the only politicians which
"pander to the AARP".  Neither major party is prepared to touch Social
Security, or seriously deal with the budget deficit.  It hurts too much,
and too many of us are unwilling to face the music.  Actually, Social
Security is one portion of the budget that is currently self supporting,
in the sense that this year's income from SS wage taxes exceeds this year's
outgo to SS benefits.  The SS Trust Fund is a mirage, only intended as
a buffer to all income and outgo to match.  Any attempt to build the
Trust Fund would only be raided by future politicians.

A balanced budget will require serious structural adjustments and the
political will to take the heat.  I do not see such a political will
presently in our society.  Perhaps Perot will come back after the election
and lead the charge.

George has had his four years to do something, and for the last two,
he has made it clear that he does not have a clue about getting the
domestic economy going.  It's time to give Clinton a chance.  If he blows
it, throw him out in 1996.
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From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Condom Discussion
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:15:28 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:

> Someone said:  "Passing out condoms encourages their use."
> 
> 	What's wrong with that?  Condoms may not be perfect, but 
> they do help with some of the negative effects of sexual activity
> (disease and pregnancy).  Until somebody figures out how to reduce
                                                              ^^^^^^
> sexual activity (other than getting married), we just do what 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What???? You mean us married folks need to have _less_ sex because we're
married???  :-)

Chris

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