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From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:27:43 GMT



Things I learned when I moved from Long Island (New York) to Michigan and
Ohio:

Soda was pop.  I had to get used to that; if you said soda, you got plain
soda water.

Buns were sweet rolls.  I adapted to that, especially after buns started
meaning buttocks.

Sneakers were tennis shoes.  Or sometime just tennis, as in "I forgot my
tennis and couldn't play in gym."  Stubbornly, I cling to my sneakers.

Someone recently pointed out to me that after almost 30 years in the
Midwest, I still stand on line, whereas everyone around me stands -in-
line.  Tough; I'm right and they're all wrong, that's all there is to that. 

Bonita Kale
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 13:26:30 EDT
From: Frank Mulhern <FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Business Novels

I teach undergraduate senior business majors.  Right now I require them to
read BABBITT by Sinclair Lewis.  Some students have asked me to recommend
other novels for them to read.  Remarkably, many of these students have
made it to the last semester or their senior year without reading any novels.
I am looking for other business novels to recommend.  I'd prefer to avoid
the businessman as tycoon types novels (e.g., THE JUNGLE, Upton Sinclair).
I would like the students to get a feel for the nature of working is
business.  If you have any ideas, pease send them to me.  Thanks.

        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.british
From: fkuhl@snare.mitre.org (F. S. Kuhl)
Subject: Re: Parkerbird
Reply-To: fkuhl@snare.mitre.org (F. S. Kuhl)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 12:53:15 GMT

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
|> >>And why Parkerbird?

Merely someone's Wimsey, I believe.
-- 
Frederick Kuhl			fkuhl@mitre.org
Center for Advanced Aviation System Development
The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Virginia
From: aristea@sco.COM (Aristea Rizakos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Parkerbird
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:50:14 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <9204090146.AA26688@lib.uwo.ca> Margaret Martin Gardiner <gardiner@lib.uwo.ca> writes:
> 
>
>
>> >>In article <1992Apr1.135822.20609@leland.Stanford.EDU> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>> >>>Who was Nosey Parker? Was Dorothy Sayers' Inspector Parker named for him?
>> >>>And why Parkerbird?
>> >>>
>> >>>					Francis Muir
>> >>>
>> >>>francis@sep.stanford.edu
>> >>
>> >>This is my first post, so please have patience if I have difficulty.
>> >>Nosey Parker, I think, refers to Matthew Parker, Archbishop of
>> >>Canterbury, the first "Anglican" archbishop, during the reign of
>> >>Elizabeth I.  I recently read browsed some histories about this man
>> >>and remember seeing a reference.  Parkerbird eludes me.  Perhaps
>> >>someone else knows that one.
>> >>
>> >>Margaret MG
>> >>
>> >Sorry, I posted and then my husband decided he wanted to say why
>> >Matthew Parker was called Nosey Parker.  He was a conservative
>> >"Anglican" archbishop, hated as much by the Puritans, who wanted to
>> >see no Papist trappings, such as candles and special robes, in
>> >religious ceremonies, as by the Catholic party who had held sway under
>> >Queen Mary, who wanted all the old traditional forms.  Parker was the
>> >middle-of-the-roader and he held endless inquests and commissions
>> >around England to check on whether the new clergy were using some of
>> >the rituals of the Anglican Church (i.e. not being as bare and bleak
>> >as the Puritans wanted), but at the same time checking to make sure
>> >that the old clergy were not making use of the full Catholic
>> >trappings.
>> >
>> >Roger Gardiner
>> >
>> Why do you place quotation marks around the word Anglican, but not
>> Puritan or Catholic?  Just wondering......
>> 
>
>	The reason why I used quotation marks around the word Anglican
>is because its status as a separate Christian denomination had not yet
>been stabilized.  In the roughly quarter century between the
>accession of Thomas Cranmer as Archbishop of Canterbury in 1533 to the
>accession of Parker in 1559, the church in England had shifted from a
>pioneering reformed Protestant church back to "heretic-burning" Catholicism
>(Catholic Reginald Pole acceeded in 1556) under Mary Tudor, then on to
>an embattled form of Anglicanism through the reign of Parker.  I call
>the Anglican Church during Parker's reign as archbishop "embattled"
>because Elizabeth's political position was such, as I understand it,
>that she was reluctant to act too strongly against either Catholics
>or Puritans.  They were remained both powerfully and politically
>hostile to Parker's "via media" inclinations.
>
>RFG/MMG
>
>
>


Thanks for the history lesson!  I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't
know about that period in my church's history. Which is probably why,
when I tell people I'm Anglican, they smile knowingly and say, "Ah yes, 
*Anglican*:  Christianity's easy-reading section."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Asimov's mystery fiction
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:34:46 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

Is anybody else a fan of Asimov's mystery fiction?  I've always
liked his "Black Widowers" stories.  The mysteries themselves are
sometimes trivial (though difficult to solve) puzzles, but what I
like are the intellectual discussions and arguments that go on in
the club.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: ghattas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (J. Ghattas)
Subject: Out of Print Books
Originator: ghattas@lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:07:39 GMT



Does anyone have any experience in buying out-of-print books?
Are there bookstores that specialize in this?  Is there some sort
of computerized network/database?

Any help including names and phone numbers of bookstores etc
would be appreciated.  (I will summarize if there is sufficient 
response)
From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: This Present Darkness/Piercing the Darkness.
Keywords: Darkness
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:44:12 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

In article <10386@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <sbb1.702604642@Ra.MsState.Edu>, sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shay B. Berthelson) writes:
>> This is basically in response to the lady who asked if we had read any good
>> books lately.  The two books which I have named, This present darkness and
>> piercing the darkness, by Frank Peretti.  These are two of the best books,
>> The book is actually considered to be Christian Fiction, which I
>> understand because of the constant references to the spiritual realm
>> realm and prayer power through christ, but the book is not preachy,
>> it tells a story within several realms using the christian
>> faith as a mediator.  The book is very well written, keeping u involved and
>> fairly left in suspense until the very last page.  If you have read Peretti's
>> novel "This Present Darkness" and liked it. The motion picture is going under
>> production in about a year.
>> Just thought I would share my thoughts.
**Edited slightly to save bandwidth - JMS

Thanks, Shay, it's always good to see a post about a book every now and
then.  Might be worthwhile to suggest a thread that deals with books about
different religions - other than the particular religions' "holybook" (ie:
the Koran, the Bible, etc).  My first exposure to Taoism was through
Benjiman Huff's book _The Tao of Pooh_.  Hesse's _Siddhartha_ might be
another example.  Perhaps this ought to be widened to include books about
spiritual journeys as well as in Somerset Maugham's _The Razor's Edge_ or
Ursela K LeGuin's _The Lathe of Heaven_ (in a kind of Taoist way).  And
didn't Janweillem van de Wetering write a book about Zen or maybe it was
about his experiences in a Zen monestary?  Funny, but his police
procedurals tend to be very Zen.

**The rest of this post has nothing to do with books, I'm just feeling
wicked today :)

Ok, Clayton:

>You are going to get flamed to a crisp in this group.

Why in the world would she be flamed for posting a fairly polite and
literate review of a book she enjoyed.  Oh, I see, because the book has a
positive Christian outlook or because she considers it Christian Fiction
but doesn't trash it because of that fact.  Sorry I was a bit slow to
catch on but, you see, it's tends to be you that I equate with religious
intolerance.

>I've read _Piercing The Darkness_, and while the story is clever,
>I'm afraid that the characterizations are weak.  There's a little
>too crisp of a division between the good guys and the bad guys --
>I've met no one that was so clearly divided into positive and 
>negative traits.

Wow, Clayton, so you can actually post an article about a book in
rec.arts.books - is this a red letter day or what?

Joan
Pogo Prune Juice slogan: "We have met the enema, and it is us!"
From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:07:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Apr15.233632.6419@linus.mitre.org> 
jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.133700.886@morrow.stanford.edu>,
>francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes: 

FM:
>> This sounds like Lewis. Most Americans (Statesmen?) don't seem to realize
>> just what an assole C. S. Lewis really was. This is a prime example. 

JES:
>If being deliberately literal to make a point makes one as asshole, then
>I'm one as well.  I would say calling someone an asshole in a public
>forum might qualify a person for the label.

By your own lights, you have just qualified.

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From: yms@carp.cis.ufl.edu (Yuh-Ming Shyy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: BOMC Main Selection
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:39:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Hi, could anyone tell me what is the BOMC main selection 
of its May issue of Booknews? Thanks.

email: yms@carp.cis.ufl.edu
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:16:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.111650.3877
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)




In a previous article, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) says:

>Bonita Kale writes:
>
>	Sneakers were tennis shoes.  Or sometime just tennis, as in 
>	"I forgot my tennis and couldn't play in gym."  Stubbornly, 
>	I cling to my sneakers.
>
>Are you sure they were not "tennies"? Calling a tennis shoe a "tennis"
>sounds more like the Franglais one heard on the Cote d'Azur.
>

Nope, I checked into it very carefully.  It was "tennis"--you can even see
it sometimes on store signs--"Shoes" over here and "Tennis" over there. 
But "tennies" could be the derivation, I suppose.  Maybe someone heard it
and couldn't believe the speaker meant to say something so revoltingly
cute. 


>	Someone recently pointed out to me that after almost 30 years
> 	in the Midwest, I still stand on line, whereas everyone around
> 	me stands -in- line.  Tough; I'm right and they're all wrong,
> 	that's all there is to that. 

>Oh.  You mean queueing up?


No, I wear my hair loose.

Seriously, when we say, "Is this the end of the line?", does an
Englishperson say, "Is this the end of the queue?"

And is it pronounced like "cue"? 
 
One thing, "line" is a lot easier to spell!

Bonita Kale
From: levin@star-trek.bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Asimov's nonfiction
Date: 13 Apr 1992 15:34:49 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com

ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:

>Since Isaac Asimov died a few days ago, I thought I'd see if anyone
>wants to get into a discussion about his nonfiction.  His fiction has
>been discussed quite a bit on, e.g., the sf groups.

I can't say they aren't fiction, exactly, but one of my favorite
things of his were two "articles" on a substance called thiotimoline.
I'm sure someone can provide titles and location.  I first heard of
this, I think, in high school; he included one of them (and the short
story about the goose that laid golden eggs) as chapters in a book
about science.

	/JBL
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 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
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                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
From: zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:06:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Australian English (Was: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE)
Organization: HP SSD R & D
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books

pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:

> _and_ we have British brands as well, like Tizer,Dandelion & Burdock
> and Iron Brew. We don't have root beer in the UK because it tastes like
> floor wax or the stuff you rinse you mouth out with at the dentists and 
> the British aren't quite as fond of bad food as the US - with the
> obvious exceptions of Haggis, Sausages, Black Pudding and Beef Faggots (don't
> even ask).

Dare we [e,i]nquire about Spotted Dick?

Claudia
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: If all humanity had one throat ...
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 15:09:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin):
>"I wish everyone in the world had a single throat, and I had my hands
>around it."

Sounds like a variation of one of Rorschach's lines.  (R is the psychopathic
'superhero' from Alan Moore's "Watchmen".)

Reminds me of the old "Story in Three Parts":

Part 1:  Imagine that all the land in the world were one big continent,
         that all the water in the world were one enormous sea, surrounding
         the continent, that all the people in the world were a single
         giant, that all the trees in the world were one great tree, and
         that all the axes in the world were a single axe.

Part 2:  Imagine that the giant took the axe and chopped down the tree,
         so it fell from the land into the sea.

Part 3:  Just think what a splash it would make!

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Asimov's mystery fiction
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:32:05 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <70294@ut-emx.uucp> jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:
<In article <122184@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
<>Is anybody else a fan of Asimov's mystery fiction?  I've always
<>liked his "Black Widowers" stories. 

<Funny. I've just finished rereading all 4 collections (are there
<more?)

YES!!  The fifth collection, called "Puzzles of the Black Widowers",
was published about a year ago, maybe more.  I don't think it has come
out in paperback yet, though.  It was quite hard to find -- I had to
look in a lot of big bookstores before I found it.  If you want it
now you'll probably have to special order it -- unless it's about
to come out in paperback, finally.

<I was struck this time around by the introduction to the first volume,
<in which Asimov states that one of the bylaws of the Trap Door Spiders
<(the real-life group that inspired Asimov's creation of the Black
<Widowers) provided that every member was supposed to see to it that
<mention of the Trap Door Spiders appeared in his obituary. I've seen
<at least 3 obits by now, and don't recall seeing the TDS mentioned in
<a single one, even that over-half-a-page-long thing in the NYTimes.

And I've seen at least 10 obits by now, and none of them have mentioned
it.  Interesting point!

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

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From: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Margot Peter)
Subject: Re: read any good books lately?
Reply-To: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 16:20:30 GMT

In article <MATT.92Apr7233115@physics.berkeley.edu>, matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:
>Well, I just finished reading one of Susan Dunlap's mystery novels:
>_Karma_.  It was reasonably good: both the crime, and the solution to
>it, were very believable.  (Besides, I think it's a good idea to
>support your local murders instead of always importing them from New
>York or London.)
>
>I've heard Dunlap compared to Sara Paretsky; unless _Karma_ is very
>atypical, I don't understand that comparison at all.  Just about the
>only similarity I can think of, in fact, is that both of them write
>about female detectives.

As far as supporting your local murders go, I would think that Marcia Muller
would be closer to Sara Paretsky. Her female detective, Sharon McCone, is San
Francisco based and very much her own person. She doesn't usually get as badly
beat up as Paretsky's, but takes her share of lumps while snooping around
beautiful Northern California. Fun light reading!

I am presently engrossed in "Outerbridge Reach" by Robert Stone. Very strong
characterization, tightly written, and highly recommended - even for you
non-nauticals.


Margot                 "I had to sink my yacht to make the guests go home."
                                      F. Scott Fitzgerald
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Italo Svevo
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.225939.29118
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I've read ZENO several times, and my students in 20th
Century World Lit. are reading and discussing it this
week and next.  It's a splenedid book, an unjustly
neglected masterpiece.  The wry, north Italian humor
is priceless, and his senup of psychiatry is one of the
best ever.  P.N Furbank's biography of Svevo is a good
place for background on him and his milieu in Trieste.

J. Del Col
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From: repnomar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janet M. Lafler)
Subject: Re: read any good books lately
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:40:02 GMT

Nothing really exciting, which is one reason I haven't been posting much
lately.  I'm nearly finished with _Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle
Stop Cafe_, by Fannie Flagg, and am finding it generally pleasant and some-
times sickly sweet, despite the fact that it describes violence and injus-
tice and flirts with grotesquerie.

I recently read most of the way through _Out to Work: A History of Wage 
Earning Women in the U.S._ by Alice Kessler-Harris, which I recommend as an 
overview of this history.  I intend to go back and finish it after I'm 
through being sidetracked.  I've been starting, but not finishing, a lot 
of books lately.

Next on my list: _The Difference Engine_, since I'm supposed to be getting
together with my beau's book club to discuss it. 

/Janet

-- 
send mail to repnomar@leland.stanford.edu
Purdy...lowered his voice.  "Now.  We never had this conversation."   B.J. was 
alarmed to hear it.  Who _had_ had this conversation and what had he been 
doing while they had it?
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: read any good books lately?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:44:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <1992Apr6.225452.29417@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>This newsgroup has seemed kind of slow lately.  Is everybody too busy
>reading books to post here any more?  :-)  What have you all been
>reading?  

Recently finished "High Rise" by JG Ballard. It's one of his atrocity
novels in which a community inside a huge tower block revert to the
law of the jungle - tribal behaviour, cannabilism...
Although the ideas in his books are good, I find the narrative all a
little too expository - everything spelled out and explained.
With all the SF and horror buffs out there I expect someone else
has some thoughts on this.

Also part-way through "The End of the Affair" by Graham Greene. This
is even blacker than some of his other stuff and, so far, not so
entertaining for me. But it seems to be picking up as I read further.

Nigel
From: loos@opal.mgh.harvard.edu (William D.B. Loos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Tolkien way..
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:16:00 GMT
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <morteng.34@loke.dhhalden.no>, morteng@loke.dhhalden.no (MORTEN GRAESBY) writes...
>First: Is there any special group for discussions about the Tolkien- books?
>I guess it's alright to discuss anything related to books in this news-group?
>(I'm news to this group)

There's some Tolkien discussion in this group.  Most of it, however, takes 
place under the science fiction hierarchy, mainly in  rec.arts.sf.written .
There is no news group entirely dedicated to Tolkien (an attempt to create
one around six months was defeated).  However, there is a Tolkien mailing
list.  For information, contact the moderator:  gandalf@pucing.bitnet  .


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