HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: muffy@anableps.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hot bi babes and masculinity...
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:28:45 GMT
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In-reply-to: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu's message of 12 Aug 92 14:58:15 GMT

In article <4449@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.084649.18780@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf
>Sternberg) writes:
>>>TWO: My wife "is willing to give [me] a space of my own without
>>interference."  She is _just_ as tolerant (remember that word) of me
>>and my boyfriend indulging ourselves in _our_ bed.
>She might not use these same words without being prompted.

I can't speak for Elf's wife's choice of words, but I have said before
(not on this newsgroup, but using those words) that *I* am willing to
give my SO a space of his own, without interference, in *our* house if
he wishes one.  Similarly he would do this for me.  You are making
unwarranted assumptions about how women will think, speak, and behave.

>>>In article <4434@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>>>>Take a look at what you said.  
>>>>"I'm willing to give them a space of their own without interference."
>>>Hold it right there, John.
>>>Let's get two things straight here.  ONE: This is _my_ house as much
>>as it is my wife's.  The fact that, at four o'clock in the morning,
>>they're sitting on the bed I sleep in, and I have classes the next day,
>>should qualify as my "giving them a space of their own without
>>interference."  
>I would say that you may be agreeing to their use of the space and giving up
>your use of it in that case.  THe issue is less with the word giving but with
>words "willing to give them a space of their own without interference." Is this
>something you have any choice in.

Yes, it is.  If I have any respect for my partner and my relationship,
then I will not just randomly take away part of *our* space to be "space
of my own."  If I did this, he would certainly be justified in being
upset.

>yes you could give them the use of your space in the bed, but can you give them
>space of their own.  If it is their own space you cannot give it.  Get it?

It is not "their own" space until he cedes his part of it, since it was
originally his and his wife's, not his wife and her friend's.  So, yes,
he *can* give it, he *did* give it, and it was a very nice thing to do
(although I would pretty much expect this to be what happened in a
working relationship, it is *still* nice).

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Announcing...
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy

In article <3077@isgtec.isgtec.com> nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett) writes:
>
>(not original - shamelessly stolen from somewhere else)
>
>If vegetarians eat vegetables, I must be a humanitarian.

You eat humanitables?

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"No need to overheat your rhetoric,
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Exaggerating items in your pride..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||        -- Mephistopheles, _Faust_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 20:24:53 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) wrote...
>Oh, just been looking around the news system, and this article's going
>to be #9908 or so for soc.bi... since we missed a little at the start,
>I guess that we're, globally, somewhere about the ten-thousand-messages
>mark.
>
>I think that calls for a little celebration, don't you?
>
Actually here your article was #11651

Ah, another excuse to celebrate!

Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:04:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.154915.19585@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>
>   I'd suspect you're right about this, but isn't this a rather roundabout
>way of flirting with him? (It's just not *you, peg ;-)

now, now, david!  you are vastly underestimating me
and i am quite hurt <sniff>.  (you can try to make up
with me, though...)  ;)  i am quite capable of flirting 
in *many* ways...

;) 
peg
From: kevin@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Australia
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:35:20 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Greetings all, Just found your newsgroup.
Are there any/ many Australian newsgroups/general groups of relevance
that exist? 
Happy to chat to anyone out there from Oz, so send mail!
Kevin.
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Grant's party
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:51:06 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones) said...
>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>
>>kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones) writes:
>
>>>the people squirting across the room (often a result of Sharon's
>>>much-admired hand action).  Iseult and Ellen gave us a review of
>>>various west-coast, women's sex clubs.
>
>>I have to correct you about the reviews, on Ellen's behalf, because
>>it was Coe and I, the card carrying members, who were doing the talking.

Thank you Iseult, for setting the record strai- *ahem* correct.  After
all, i do have a reputation to uphold :^)

>I *knew* I would screw up if I tried to include names! <grumble>

No problem!  As an appellation-challenged person myself, i can relate.

-Coe
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Sara's SF visit - a few quotes
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 02:52:10 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey


Well after days of saying that we were going to start writing quotes
down (then saying that we'll remember them and then instantly 
forgetting what was said,) we finally started putting pen to paper.
(Though we've missed quite a few  - I now notice that there aren't
any here from Grant - hmmmmm.)

-----------
"Yes, but you can't take it off and hand it to me."
                                                  Iseult to Grant

Sara:   You're such a femme.
Iseult: Let us not forget femme TOP.


"Iseult's crutch has been all over the place."
					     Sara


"She's cute in parts."
                      Coe


"Good grief, there's a chipanzee in the tub.  Oh it's Grant."
						            Sara


Iseult: You do take forever don't you?
Sara:   It's because it's so sticky.


"You did it in a cage with them?"
			        Iseult to Sara


"It's going to be quite a big one."
				  Sara


"I had the school gerbil once." 
			      Sara


"Hmmmm, I wonder if I should go and get film or should I go and get
some sun on the deck, or should I make some coffee.  Decisions.  Decisions."
                                                                           Sara


(paraphrase)
"Sitting in the sun, by a hot tub, petting a friendly cat, 
reading Susie Bright.  Ahhhh."
                              Mike Lloyd

-------------------
By the way, in all the stuff about Grant's party, I haven't seen any
mention of the story that one attendee (not on soc.bi) was telling
about having an escalating arguement in a restaurant about whether
the phrase "to female ejaculate" was a split infinitive or a 
compound verb.


Ellen
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:24:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92231.010713LOMBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, LOMBC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Lou Madigan)
writes:
>Sorry, i don't have any actual quotes for you.  But i have always been of the
>impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt.  I mean lets face it, we have
>a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.
>
>I friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that pual loved to
>put his head on jesus's breast.
>
Well, you're not alone in thinking so.  Christopher Marlowe got stabbed
through the head for saying, among other things, that "St John the Evangelist
was bedfellow to Christ and leaned always in his bosom, that he used him as
the sinners of Sodoma."

Marlowe is also reported to have said that "all they that love not tobacco and
boys were fools."

Perhaps I should take up smoking....

Simon.
-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
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Xref: sparky soc.bi:10943 alt.polyamory:940
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:24:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I think the purpose of this "rule" is to prevent monogomous people who are in
bad relationships from "cruising" behind their mate's back. Granted, your
friend got caught up in the rules, but i doubt that they were installed to
intentionally discriminate against them.

Most people just don't get it. They've had years of brainwashing from the
preachers and the politicans. They have all the right answers and don't like
being confused with facts. 

Hopefully, as more polyamorous folks come out, this kind of attitude will die
out also. I still think its meant more against folks sneaking around behind 
their spouses back. Maybe all that is needed is a note from said spouse.

Ben Gibson
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian)
Subject: coming out
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:51:54 GMT

I came out to my dad yesterday... by telling him I'm the new GLoC secretary
(Gays and Lesbians on Campus).  This I did via email, because I was a tad
nervous about telling him face-to-face (yes, I know that's chicken and
taking the easy way out and all, but still).  Anyway, I checked to see if
he'd read the mail, and he had, but he hadn't replied to it.. so I wrote
another message asking him if he'd read the first.  A few hours later we
were talking and he said "Oh, I got your message".  I said "Oh, well, it's
just that you didn't say anything" and he said "Well, what do you want me
to do about it!"

This was a very surprising reaction, considering my dad is what I would
call quite conservative.  After a few hours talking, what I realised is
this:  He doesn't care, because he loves me.  In fact, his only real
concern was that I not be arrested in any student demonstrations!  
He also said a lot of stuff about me being brave/courageous for coming out
to him and being on the GLoC executive... (personally, I don't think it was
all that courageous, but still)

Right now, I am beaming, and all I can say is that I'm really proud of my
dad :)

Bye for now!


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Subject Theses Theses...
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



In article <AAG.92Aug13032631@artemis.aber.ac.uk> aag@aber.ac.uk 
(Angela 
Gilham) writes:
>(Anybody want to write Chapter 5 of my thesis?)

[Ana Writes]
>Yes, if you write my chapter 7. Before Sunday.

Well, I have both chapters 5 and 7 of a new Amiga book I'm supposed to be
finishing... now let's see.... "Guru Meditation (and Whack)" (that's 
chapter 5), and "Talking to Fat Angus" (that's Chapter 7) - if you 
_really_ want this inconsequential drivel I'll be happy to mail you
both a classic example of using five words where two will do. (Paid by
the word syndrome....)

Down Olaf... Down!

Clive Grace

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Need for a new word (Was: Hetero/bi/homophobia)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:18:11 GMT

In <keithd.714115981@cluster> keithd@stallion.oz.au (Keith Duddy) writes:
>[...]
>In the search for a better catch-all word I started by thinking of an
>analogue to "racism", but of course "sexism" is already used in the
>domain on gender relations, and "orientationism" just doesn't cut it.
>Anyone got any ideas??

I have seen the term "homohatred" used a few times.


<> There were those men, lots of them, who quite simply ignored us, viewing
<> our presence, I'm sure, as an intrusion. There were those men who made
<> strained efforts to submerge their mistrust, dislike and fear of us. And
<> there were those men who encouraged us to reprimand them for sexist
<> thoughts and deeds. In the end, once again, women were servicing men,
<> women were raising the consciousness of men, women were giving their
<> energy to men.
<> --- "Separatism: a look back at anger" by Janet Dixon, in "Radical Records"

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug20.191422.1428
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <25011@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Hopkins) writes:
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
|
|>  Or, alternatively, you can ask someone from the land of El-cheapo PC
|>bits to pick up a PC and modem and deliver it (totally illegally, I'm
|>sure...) when I^Hthey next visit the UK.
|Yes please!  And knowing you, despite the fact that I only saw you last
|at the weekend, I'll probably see you again next week sometime, so you
|can bring it then!  >{8-)

   Well, not *next weekend (I'll be in Boston), and, um, not the weekend
after that (Philadelphia), or, for that matter, the weekend after that
(San Francisco), but sometime soon.  Edinburgh is just a *little* too
far away for a weekend visit - I'd have to make it a three-day jaunt so
I'd have a chance to unjetlag myself (28 hours in transit is somewhat
less than desirable for a two-day visit, you know :-(

   Though I'd be more than happy to arrange importation of computer
hardware.  I'd bet that even with duty and VAT, it'd still be cheaper
than the prices I've seen there (Clive, was it you who was saying that
you could fly to the USA, pick up hardware, visit friends, and return
for less than the price of the stuff in the UK?)

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush! 
Distribution: world
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:01:42 +0000


In article <1992Aug20.191422.1428@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu writes:
>   Though I'd be more than happy to arrange importation of computer
>hardware.  I'd bet that even with duty and VAT, it'd still be cheaper
>than the prices I've seen there (Clive, was it you who was saying that
>you could fly to the USA, pick up hardware, visit friends, and return
>for less than the price of the stuff in the UK?)

That fits.  You'd have to buy... quick sums... two V32bis modems to make
it worth while.  400 pounds each over here; $240 over there.

G
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:19:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug20.191939.1664
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug20.092642.14147@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Omaha 
Sternberg) writes:
>
>   I can't stress this point enough...WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU IS WHAT YOU
>SHOULD DO...NOT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS SHOULD BE DONE.
>
>   Omaha Sternberg

Yay!  I was waiting to hear from you or DeWolf about relationships.
Great post!


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:33:16 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <36738@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <Bsu0yM.8Lt@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>+In article <h4znbkar@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>+>Am I the only person who's had sex on top of a PDP11/70?
>+Is an 11/750 close enough?

I think so - after all, there's compatibility mode - but I would have thought
that 750s were just a bit small for that...

>Does masturbating in front of a 11/34 and a 11/23 count? (Sort of
>quantity, not quality in autoeroticism).

Amazing! were you trying to appease ODT, or what?


		Swat dragon, abandon dukedom
		Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:09:56 GMT

Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:

>Then it will come down to the question that every American will have to ask
>themself. Would you rather have your taxes raised or lose some more of your 
>civil liberties. Great fucking choice. once again.
I'd rather have my taxes raised, thank you very much.

I find this an interesting distillation of the issues involved in Capmaign '92,
though. It's always enlightening to see how a new *ism (classism, in this 
example) influences judgement.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Dick--my bottom hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_ sndtrck
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:49:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug13.154915.19585
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Aug13.045019.28144@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|In article <1992Aug4.033403.2394@midway.uchicago.edu>
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>In article <1992Aug3.163719.690@menudo.uh.edu> cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu 
|>(Caleb Cullen) writes:
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|[stuff]

|geez, kay, *another* thing i have in common with you!  
|i have this feeling that you and i meeting would be 
|potentially dangerous...
|someone so like myself... scary...
|
|peg

   I'd suspect you're right about this, but isn't this a rather roundabout
way of flirting with him? (It's just not *you, peg ;-)

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Who am I anyway? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:01:44 +0000


In article <1992Aug20.160315.8278@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie writes:
>>Anyway, the person I was talking to asked in what way soc.bi was helpful to
>>me, since she'd felt a bit shunned and ignored when she posted here.
>
>It's a matter of chance whether a particular posting will be followed up
>or not. One should try not take it personally if one's postings appear
>to be ignored. I once sat down and made a list of reasons why I might

It wasn't Mary was it?  Haven't seen her here for ages...  (Coooeeee!??!)

G
From: jgreene@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Jennifer Greene)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lt. Yar nearly naked on Showtime
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:55:39 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: jimmy.harvard.edu

In article <1992Aug16.054715.11486@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
>Did anyone catch Denise Crosby on Showtime last Tuesday(?) on
>the Red Shoes somethingorother series?  Her hair's longer than
>the dikey doo she had on star trek, but she still looked good.
>
>Am I alone on this? Note: I don't read star trek groups.
>Doesn't anyone else have even a little crush on her?

A little crush?? Nope.  Just a big huge giant crush!!  Definitely
the biggest I have for anyone on television. :)

...grumble, grumble, I wish I got cable :(

-Jennifer
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:18:41 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Aug22.213048.3279@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
|>[Orc offers to be a UK delivery Person]
|>   And as a side benefit, you'd also get a visit from a wandering Orc,
|>who would *shamelessly* try to recruit you into being a trainspotter and,
|>failing that, would happily go and watch trains, 
|
|Far be it for me to gossip shamelessly, but....
|Orc didn't do any trainspotting on his visit to the bay area.

   AAaaaarrrgghh!  My credibility is *shot!!!

|(He actually had to stoop to the level of counting BARTs as trains.)
|(For those not in this area, seeing a BART train is about as remarkable 
|as seeing a city bus/coach)

ObTrainspot:
   For mass transit, the BART is actually pretty good.  There's no
railfan seat :-(, but the trains move right along - actually moving
at freeway speeds along the freeways occasionally (on tests, they've
apparently gone up to 120mph.  I wish they'd do that in regular service.)
And it's 5' gauge, like the New Orleans (St. Charles) streetcars.

|>(Though, come
|>to think of it, I don't really have to be *in* the UK to become dialectally
|>(is that a word? If it is, I'll bet I misspelled it) confused, as certain
|>uk.bi'ers have already noticed...)]
|You too huh?
|Then there's always:
|The 'someone-please-remind-me-of-what-country-I'm-in-so-I-know-what-to-
|call-that-item-across-the-room-without-folks-laughing-at-me' syndrome.

   Yup.  It's easier when the only countries you've been in are ex or
current UK possessions (and West Germany, but I don't even speak that
language, so it's no so much of a problem for me ;-) and you only have 
one set of "well, no, <x> is actually <y>"  (But have you noticed that
certain fastfood restaurants call chips fries in the UK?  Proof, I'm
afraid, that the US won the cultural revolution.)


ObBiRef:  Umm, er, um, <help!>

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