HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jacob@max.cc.brandeis.edu ( )
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: tonal value of chords and harmonic series [?]
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:11:38 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University Math Department

In article <1k6gk2$9hs@agate.berkeley.edu> maverick@mahogany.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick) writes:
>My basic difficulty is this -- suppose you prove the minor
>triad is invalid?  Does all that minor-mode music go away?
>And what's the point of an investigation with only one
>acceptable outcome?

hunh? no there's no way to "prove the minor triad invalid"
and that's not the point. the point is to see how far perceptual
considerations (or some specific perceptual process) can justify
harmonic facts. if the minor triad is not justified by perceptual
considerations the solution is not to outlaw reality but to conclude
that there are other factors than perceptual ones (or those particularr
ones) which need to be taken into account to justify a certain
musical practice.

it's not true that the investigation has only one "acceptable" outcome.
there are two acceptable outcomes. outcome 1: "the harmonic series can
justify the use of the minor triad as a tonic chord", outcome 2: "the harmonic
series cannot justify the use of the minor triad as a tonic chord."
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	GRAPES??!
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:07:07 EST
From: Joseph Dresnok III <JDRESNO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: DC tic grovel

Help.
The Lisner Phish show is fast approaching, and I'd love to get my brother
into the show.  He has offered to drive up from North Carolina with a
friend, if I can get tickets.  I think that I may have tracked down one,
so one more would make the three of us very happy.
Oblige, if you can.  I could help out with sleeping arrangements, probably
(I live in DC.)
Thanks,
   joe
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From: molly rinaldi <RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: rift!!!!
Reply-To: RINA0243@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:33:48 GMT

Date sent:  27-JAN-1993 11:27:04 
  howdy all!!
     i heard almost all of rift last night on the radio, and all i can say 
is.......holy shit this is one of the most amazing albums i've ever heard!! 
i can't wait for the release!!  i thought i was going to explode while 
listening to it!!
talk to you later........................................................

peace..........................................................molly(2^3), who
           is bumming about all the negative vibes on the net, and the 
           fact that phish is playing in colorado during the time i was
           supposed to go out there but can't now. :(
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From: Zans McLachlan <amclach1@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Tape Labeller?
Reply-To: amclach1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:50:16 GMT

Netters--
I have seen quite a few tapes out there with computer-done (ie, laser
quality) labels. I have a tape labelling program which will produce
high-quality labels (inserts), but would like the cool li'l Phish symbol in
the corner, etc. In other words, I'd like a phish tape labeller. I would
rather have a mac program, but if there is no mac program, a dos one would
do ok (one of my roommates has a dos machine). Please post or send email,
or even post it to the stanford server <sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Thanks a lot, pholks. I'll be lookin' forward to whatever help you can spare.
--Zans

Alexander "Zans" Langhans McLachlan	   "I know all  
amclach1@cc.swarthmore.edu        	    there is to
Swarthmore College      	               know about
Biology/Education Major, '95     The Crying Game."
From: jbower@venus.haverford.edu (Bower John R)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Fee on Lawn Boy
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:24:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1993Jan27.182417.458
Reply-To: jbower@venus.haverford.edu
Organization: The Internet

Just in case nobody else has answered this question publicly yet (I'm a 
digester),

The original 1990 print of Lawn Boy on Absolute-A-Go-Go Records included the
song Fee.  It is the same mix that is on Junta (to the best of my knowledge).
When Lawn Boy was rereleased by Elektra last, they did not include Fee.  My
guess is that they knew that Junta would be released soon after and saw no
sense in releasing the same version of the same song twice.  That's all from
me.

jb

Come to Haverford for Widespread Feb 5 and come early for Groovechild!!!
From: jflemma@mailbox.syr.edu (Jay Flemma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: STORY and REVIEW files
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1993Jan26.172928.14476
Reply-To: jflemma@mailbox.syr.edu
Organization: The Internet


   Hey Pholx ->
      The snow *finally* stopped here after two full days of blizzarding.
    (talk about stepping into he freezer!!!) ;-)
      (although the music didn't!) ;->

      I've just inherited the story file fromm Lee! (hey dude, whats
    up, we gotta start up the grade trade!)
      ...so I'm anxious to see even more of the excellent creativity
    thats been on the net.
       Kudos to Jeff M. for the Foam story. AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH! 8->

      There's lots of killer fall shows that need to be reviewed,
   so write away, and get psyched.

   Pers to JJWOOD -> good luck Sunday.

   Pers to Rob Glide ->  thanx for your *gracious* response, I'll be
          in touch at length (wise) shortly.

     ...from the land where the oceans freeze...
     (and its cold cold cold cold cold)
                  Jaybar
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From: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Subject: Something to make you all smile
Reply-To: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:28:56 GMT

Well, hell, it had to come from somewhere.  Bitter new netters,
harshness over grovels, flames people rather than posts.  Looks
like we need to pass a B around and go to a show!


ELLIS OF LEMURIA  email: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
   snail mail: P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA 22903
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
motto: keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train!!  :-)
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From: BGILLESPIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: I have Roseland tickets
Reply-To: BGILLESPIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:38:31 GMT

I have two tickets for each of the Roseland shows and recording equipment
that I plan to tape the shows with. Alas, I have no car. I go to Colgate
University near Syracuse, New York. If you can get me to New York City,
I will provide you with a ticket for each night and 1st gen tapes. Peace.
-Bobby
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From: Joe Karam <jkrm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: REPOST of The AUTHORITY/SHOCKRA TAPE TREE Announcement!!
Reply-To: jkrm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:36:03 GMT

THIS IS A RE-POST OF THE ORIGNINAL TAPE TREE ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So far I have about 50 people signed up.  In case anyone is curious about what
these bands are like here's a brief description of the two bands:

	Shockra has a very cool funky sound.  They have opened and played with
	Phish on many occasions.
	The Authority is from the same school as the Spin Doctors and Blues
	Traveler.  they are a little more hard-edged and have a very unique
	sound.

Here is the original announcement:  Remember you have until Jan. 31 to sign-up
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Everyone!!
	This is an announcement for THE AUTHORITY/SHOCKRA double tree.  I 
recorded both shows this past november when each band played at the Horizontal
Boogie Bar here in Rochester, NY.  Both shows are 1st gen soundboards and
they turned out really nice.  The tree will consist of three tapes:

TAPE 1:  The Authority, SET I and almost all of SET II 
TAPE 2:  SHOCKRA, almost the entire show (they didn't take a break)
TAPE 3:  Side A:  The Authority: the end of Set II and the encore 
		  +Shockra filler from Syracuse,NY
	 Side B:  Shockra:  the end of the show and the encore

I will be the seed of the tree and you could send all replies to this address:
jkrm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

I will send tapes to branches who then make copies and send them to their
leaves.  Please only sign up to be a branch if you can make good copies
for others.  Branches must be able to take on at least 5 leaves.
All copies that I will be sending to the branches will be made on Maxell XLII's

This will be an analog tree only.  sorry, I don't have a DAT!
Also, you must take all 3 tapes.  I don't have the time to run two different
trees.  All of the tapes are really good and I'm sure you'll like them!

The closing date for getting on the tree will be JANUARY 31, 1993.
I will post this msg again next week for any other people who are returning
to school.  The tree will hopefully be posted by the first week in Feb.

All you need to do to get on the tree is send me the following info:
PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME TAPE LISTS.  I will ask for those after the tree is
rolling.  Thanks! 
____________________________CUT HERE__________________________________________


Name:  
EMAIL ADDRESS:
Do you want to be a branch or leaf?
Dolby prefernce (B, C, or none):
Will you be trading or sending blanks?
IF you want to be a branch, please describe your taping setup:

_____________________________________________________________________________










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From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Subject: FOAM BREW
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:47:19 GMT

Well, if the foam keeps getting thicker, and it just keeps getting
harder, that means you shouldn't use a fermentation lock immediately
after brewing.  You need to hook up a hose/TUBE to allow the
crozening (sp?) foam to escape - the first stages of fermentation are
quite vigorous, so you need a wide enough tube to carry all that gunk
away.  Once the fermentation settles down a bit, then you pop the
fermentation lock on and wait.  Also (nitpick, nitpick, why do I
nitpick?) the foam isn't coming from the hops, it is coming from the
whole damn mixture - yeastiebeasties fermenting, converting sugars
into alcohol and gases and foam.  But speaking of hops, many of you
may not realize that the whole of phish.net is premised on brewing.
Yes, that's what I said - we're all derived from beermaking.  This
is, of course, because "fuggles" in the net address is the name of
one type of British hops.  I don't recall offhand its International
or Homebrewers Bitterness Unit rating, and so can't tell you what it
does/in which circumstances you would use fuggles (as opposed to,
say, Saaz, which is the Czechoslovakian hop that is the basis for the
classic pilsners such as Pilsner Urquell).  But there it goes.
Matt Heller
mh1406@student.law.duke.edu

ps - for all of those who have asked - both an ftp site for the
Principia and the address of a mail order place to buy the hardcopy
will be in an upcoming post - need to remember to bring both pieces
of info to school . . .














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From: Jeff Maggard 22-Jan-1993 1719 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Foam
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:22:58 GMT

From: shell@heffal.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
| In article <1993Jan22.164026.24961@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>
| maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com writes:  
| >Foam is about sex, or more specifically: the events leading up to and
| >including ejaculation.  
| 
| I enter this discussion with some degree of trepidation, admittedly, but
| I must ask, Jeff: is this interpretation based on some insight offered by
| the band, or have you come to your own conclusions independently?
| 
| I won't ask for details unless you *want* to share them with us...;-)

Hee Hee hee.  I don't really feel up to sharing *ALL* the details with
everyone... ;-)  ...but since you ask... 8-)

Next time you hear the song, think of the lyrics as being sung from the
standpoint of a sperm cell.

To answer your question Shelly, that interpretation is not from a 'credible'
source, so I wouldn't treat it as hard evidence.  It was derived from a
rather interesting conversation among several people (who shall remain
nameless) about the song and the ...er... topic at hand.

8-)

- jeff

PS -- puns intended.
From: jg@titan.ucs.umass.edu (John Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Gumbo  (was Re: Wendell sessions)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:04:59 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu

Why do I think Gumbo is WAY old... like before any HPB dates?  That's why
I made the initial post.

-jg (jg@titan.ucs.umass.edu)

"Love, love, love, just love yourself, like no one else..."
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: NYE Tree... did I miss it?
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:48:54 GMT

I went away to Montana for the weekend t o ski.. and I came back and I think
I remember that the NYE Tree was going to be posted this weekend bt I've not
seen it and I may have erased it.  Could someone please let me know if this is
trye, er true?

Thanks

-Noah

PS: The skiing in Montana was GREAT!. There was this place where we rented sdkiis
and there was this jeep with Montana plates, a Mad River Glenn sticker (a ski
area in VT) and a PHISH sticker.  I had to find the person who this jeep belonged to.. I did.  He went to college at VTCC in Vermont, er VTC (Vermont Tech.)
and he loves Phish.  He wantes them to come out to Montana.. they should!
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: "Colin W. Gillis" <cwg@brooktrout.com>
Subject: Extra Portland Tickets.
Reply-To: cwg@brooktrout.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:53 GMT



HI Everybody -

I have three tickets for Portland ME that it looks like I will not be able 
to use, so I would like to trade them for tapes.  I'm willing to eat all
the service charges and trade for just the cost of the tickets.

Send email to cwg@brooktrout.com or call me at home at 617-783-5702 
if your interested.

Thanks,

Colin.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: janice and elitism
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:47:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.014622.16299@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> robs@sco.com writes:
>My, my, Janice, but you did hit some tender spots - with a 
>sledge.  Sorry to read that people were not more polite with 
>there responses.

First of all, for those that didn't get it, Janice is at *most* 
someone using someone else's account. It is a popular pastime
on UseNet to post inflammatory stuff from someone else's account.
Everybody freaks out while the prankster laughs. Great Fun. 

Heck, JTAYLOR might even be some college freshman who hasn't figured 
out that pseudonyms aren't any disguise at all. 

Check it out:

[pearl.tufts.edu]
JTAYLOR  James Taylor        JTAYLOR not logged in
Last login Wed 27-Jan-93 7:48PM-EST

[No plan]

The fact is, JTAYLOR is James Taylor. So Janice is either using James
Taylor's account or Janice is a pseudo made up by James or someone 
using his account. Got it?  Note that James has admitted to enjoying 
wearing spiked heels... 

>
>Seems some people need to think before posting.  I don't know if 
>it's considered good netiquette or not, but I make a policy of 
>waiting at least several hours before posting a response to 
>something that gets my dander up.

Gee, guess I don't take all this net.stuff seriously enough...

  (remarks about community deleted, but I agree)

>
>But...looked at from another angle they do seem elitist.  One 
>has to be part of a very select group ( the "in crowd") to know 
>about either.  wearing a phist-net t-shirt to a show sets one 
>apart from others. one becomes part of some subset of those 
>attending.  a clique? maybe,  it could easily be seen that way.
>How do you feel about people wearing backstage passes around?
>To me it looks stupid, like the person is trying to hard to be 
>"cool", one doesn't need to wear them constantly.

Well, one thing about this community is that it is pretty non-exclusive.
Anyone with acccess can join. Last I heard Matt will send anyone 
a t-shirt who sends him $. The only thing required is a desire to 
join and some modest computer resources. I just see it as people that
are happy to be a part of a community and want to meet others 
who feel the same way. If the phish.net was a private, secret mailing
list that was exclusive (yes, they do exist!), 
I'd agree, it's a bunch of elitist snobs.
But it's not. It's wide open. 

As for backstage passses, most places require you to stick them on yourself.
Once you stuck them on, if you remove them they don't stick as well.
For me it's always been a practical matter. Plus I *need* to be cool :-)

>
>Doesn't mean I won't wear a phist-net t-shirt.  I just wanted to 
>point out this aspect of it.

I understand where you're coming from, and I don't like elitism either.
I just think that UseNet is pretty darn far from elitism.  Pretty much
the opposite of elitism, in fact. 
>

Just mho..
Jeff. 
-- 
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From: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: The Janice Controversy
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:57:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.210912.22026@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> JTAYLOR@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
>
>       Any other rebels out there? Anyone still believe in the music?
>	Let's start some shit. 

Ok... 

finger JTAYLOR@pearl.tufts.edu 

[pearl.tufts.edu]
JTAYLOR  James Taylor        JTAYLOR not logged in
Last login Wed 27-Jan-93 7:48PM-EST

[No plan]

So, just who is JTAYLOR (James Taylor)? And does he know that Janice
the rebel is using his account? 

Inquiring minds want to know... :^)

Jeff, who actually does still believe in the music, but not this rebellion.

-- 
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From: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: type III tapes
Reply-To: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:36:14 GMT

in response to seth's question, there WERE such things as type III tapes
that used a two different types of magnetic flake thingy-mabobs (excuse
my technical terminology... my brain's kinda fried at the moment and 
i can't seem to bring to mind the words i'm looking for ;-)) and were
kinda a cross-breed tape.  they didn't sell and went off the market.
i'm sure someone else can post more useful info on the matter (if not,
i'll repost when i'm thinkin' straight.)
                         peace. ...chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: JOSEEBACH@davidson.bitnet
Subject: Atlanta stuff...
Reply-To: JOSEEBACH@davidson.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:12:03 GMT

Hi, there.  I'd really like to see some sort of get togeter in Atlanta, maybe on
saturday night, so If there are any atlanta netters who would like to suggest a
cool place, I think that it would be fun.  (sorry about the double spacing,
I'm still trying to get used to a new computer...)

My biggest concern, though, is finding a place to sleep.  I'm not about to
grovel for phloor space ( have you ever noticed that some "f" words just
don't really sound good with a "ph" ????), because there are four people
in my little traveling entourage, and that's a lot to ask of anyone.

But, since we are all, well, outdoorsy types, we thought it might be fun to
camp somewhere.  So, if you know of a good place near Atlanta to camp (some
KOAesque thing, I guess, that would be reasonably safe, please e-mail me
personally.  Or, if your just a really super nice person, and want to give four
lonely phish -folk a place to sleep, then I would really be grateful, and would
maybe even shower you with the praise of a tape or two.  We could certainly work
something out.  Or, finally, maybe if a bunch of us netters got together, we cou
   ld get a single hotel room, and have something like ten people sleeping on th
   e
floor?......  Camping in the rain would make it a less pleasant experience, y'k
y'know (gosh, I'm really sorry that I'm mincing these line wraps so...).
well, let me know what you think,
john


-raising up a lonely crop of dental floss...
p.s. -- If it helps, I didn't see Dre's post as being all that bad... I think I
   see where he was coming from, although I guess he probably could have put it
a little better.  But he seems pretty nice from the rest of his posts, so how
'bout we just ease up on him, okay?  Let's not flame the hell out of
somebody...he said he was sorry...
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From: dalton@spot.Colorado.EDU (lizard man)
Subject: Colorado Venues: Ambience, What Ambience? 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:07:24 GMT



In case nobody's noticed from the headers on posts, there are a LOT of
Phish fans in Colorado, especially concentrated around the Boulder-Ft.
Collins area. I've never seen so many Phish stickers on cars as i saw
when i moved here last fall.

I met another Phishhead today, and told him that i had found out Phish
would be playing Boulder on March 13. His face lit up! Then i told him
they were playing the CU Fieldhouse, and his face fell. He cussed and
said "Why the fieldhouse? I saw them there last year and I SWORE I'D
NEVER SEE A SHOW IN THAT DUMP AGAIN!"

This is the reaction i have gotten from everybody i have spoken with
here about the show.

I heartily agree with them. Although the fieldhouse is big, amd conveniently
within walking distance of everything else in Boulder (which is good for
those having such a good time they know better than to drive), so are the two
lovely venues, the Fox Theatre and the Boulder Theatre, both of which
have lots of room for dancing, multiple bars with fine selections of
locally brewed beers, painstakingly painted, beautiful walls, and good 
acoustics. The CU Fieldhouse is a BASKETBALL GYMNASIUM with the
acoustics to match, and cheap Coors beer if any!

I know Mike wouldn't mind playing a large arena, but surely people
besides me can *feel* the difference between a very large, wooden or
painted-walled theater/bar/music hall with good acoustics and maybe even
sculpted ceilings or columns as opposed to a sports arena which is
basically lots of steel beams and girders, bleacher seats, and the
acoustics of a shower stall.....

WHO IS IN CHARGE OF BOOKING THESE VENUES? WHERE IS OUR SENSE OF
COMMUNITY? DON'T PEOPLE REALIZE THAT ENVIRONMENT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH
THE FEELING COMMUNICATED AT A SHOW?

It looks like I and my new friend will be driving the two hours, over
the mountains, to see Phish in Vail this time around. This is a
travesty. I wonder how many other Boulderites feel that this is what
they must do, just to avoid the fieldhouse...?

The Radiators are playing the Boulder Theatre next Friday; and I saw
the Aquarium Rescue Unit at the Fox last November. Both places would be
excellent for a Phish show. It would sound a hell of a lot better, too.


Don't the acoustics, ambience, surroundings and quality of the
experience matter anymore? I would have thought that if any band
really cared about their audience's enjoyment of a show, Phish would
be that band. 

Hopefully it's not too late to rectify this. I would hate to have to
wait a year to see them in a venue that warrants their special magic.
I always thought of Phish as a band that would put quality first,
regardless of how popular they became.


--lizard man, ready to go home and cry
(not just crocodile tears, either!)


-- 
---
"King Crimson was one of the few gigs for a rock drummer where you could
play in 17/16 and still stay in decent hotels."  --Bill Bruford
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