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From: hts1@quads.uchicago.edu (Thomas H. Song)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: first Korean-American elected to US Congress
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:55:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov5.185530.5955
Reply-To: hts1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I can't believe that I haven't seen a posting of this, but since I only have
time to infrequently scan this group, I may have missed it.

Jay Kim (not to be confused with Jay Khim, another Korean-American who ran
in Virginia but lost in the primary) won the new 41st district in California.

He is a Republican from a Republican area - Orange County.  He won by a 
landslide.

I find this very exciting news, first, because I am Korean-American, and 
second, because I am Republican (yeah, don't rub it in...).

Does anyone, especially from California, have any info on Jay Kim?

Thanks,  tom
From: kimjimin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: test
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:08:17 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Nov8.102340.13467@kum.kaist.ac.kr>, bkpark@camars.kaist.ac.kr (Bae-kyong Park) writes:
> just test!
> 
> it's Nov  8 19:29:18 KST 1992 now.

By the way, my best friend's big brother is at Kaist right now.  I am 
just curious to know what Kaist is really for.  I dont know the 
brother's name but if I do I will get back to you.  My friend is right 
now Ko-Deng-Hak-Kyoo Sam-Hak-Seng.  So he is really busy preparing for 
the big exam to Se oul National.  Anyway it would be nice to hear from 
you.  especiall news of the upcoming presidential election in 
December. My e-mail address is kimjimin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu

JJK

> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim)
Subject: transmission of currency
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:07:12 GMT

Does anyone know how to send money from korea to us?
I need a detailed information, such as a limit on the
money that can be sent, currency exchange rate, required
documents, etc, etc.
BTW, I stay in the us with F-1 visa. 
thanks in advance.
-DCL

--
* Dongchul Lim                   | Phone (203) 432-6288            *
* Dept. of Chemistry, Yale Univ. | Email: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu   *
* 225 Prospect Street            |            (130.132.25.65)      *
* New Haven, CT 06511            |                                 *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Reply-To: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Organization: POSTECH, Pohang, Korea
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 03:20:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.201723.1466@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>Yes, he is the most favorite president among Korean. One survey said around 80%
>of Korean chose him as the best president and around 70% people regarded him
>as a great leader. I read this a year ago, so this cannot be true anymore.

Yes. Because of all of the pre-presidential election politics going on,
the number are probably higher now.

half :-)

-jem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
From: wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William Gentry)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 19:40:21 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL BRETT SULLIVAN) writes:

> 
> 	Hello.  Can anyone tell me how to get Korean fonts on the Macintosh?
> Thank you.
> 
> 
>                               - - -  Mikey  - - -
> 
>                              mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu

 can find some very nice Hangul fonts through Elex Computer in Seoul. 
Their address is 27-2 Yoido-dong Youngdeungpo-ku, Seoul. Telephone is 
780-4545, FAX is 785-4838. I found twenty beautiful TrueType faces for 
W30,000 last time I was in Seoul. It is the best bargain you can find for 
Hangul fonts.

Will


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 22:41:37 CST
From: YEN NGUYEN <U57448@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: KOREAN CULTURE

FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I AM NOT KOREAN.
THE THING THAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE KOREANS IS THAT, WHETER IT IS
AGAINST THE CUSTOMS OF KOREAN GIRLS TO GO OUT WITH GUYS WHO ARE NOT
KOREAN OR NOT. IN EITHER WAY PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION I'LL BE
GRATEFUL TO YOU .


THANK YOU
       ABD
From: jong@curtiss.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: hanterm3.0alpha on a modem connection
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:11:39 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Nov2.143057.26182@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae J Won) writes:
>Hi,

Hi BulAm. :)

>
>:) I never thought it was gonna happen...I compiled hanterm3.0...!

Uh-oh..I thought hanterm 3.0 was still under beta testing.
I have 2.2.1 or somesuch instead.

>Anyway, I have it on my home PC and I am trying to get to Korean bbs's
>using a modem link to my school and then rlogin to the bbs(kids).
>Umm, my prob is that(it is probably nothing to do with hanterm) I can't get the 8 bit to pass. 
>

Yeah..that happened to me too when I first got it!  *wink*

>I have noway of checking whether it is the my comm prg's fault
>since it says it is passing 8 bits. I know my shell is passing 8 bits
>(local and host) coz stty tells me so. I can read Korean through
>iyagi so it is not the modem for sure.
>
>I am just wondering if the new hanterm allows ks codes to be passed
>properly. Actually, I am more clueless than what you think coz I had
>to modify sources to get the compilation going...so it could have been that
>I did that wrong...
>
>Anyway, if anybody has any ideas or had any experiences with this, I would
>really appreciate it..:)
>
>JaeJoon


Hmm...
I'd say it's the Operating System's fault.
I also have hanterm on my linux as you know, and use xcomm to connect to
school.
There are two OS's in my school: old AIX 1.2.1 for most machines, and newer
AIX 3.1 for some RS/6000 machines.
Whenever I'm on AIX 1.2.1, I get same problem you described.  I could
read Korean, but cannot write even with stty pass8 flag.
I even tried to compile elvis and stevie on 1.2.1 because I thought it
was vi that stips off graphical characters, but no avail.
But when I'm on 3.1, it's like using iyagi..but much faster..:)
I could do vi, do talk, and telnet to kids and chat in hangul.

By the way, throw away hanterm 3.1 and get 2.2.1 instead.  Who knows.
3.1 might crash in the middle of a chat with important person..*wink*
Good luck on yer hanterm!

Jongyoon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Political Pontification (was Re: first Korean-American elected to US Congress)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:12:10 GMT

[Regarding Jay Kim a Korean immigrant who is U.S. Congressman elect from
Calif.]
In article <1992Nov7.060037.18285@Princeton.EDU> pkchung@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Philip K. Chung) writes:
>why is a democrat really that much better or worse than a republican?
>is it really so bad of an idea to be "economically" conservative? 

I was thinking more in terms of socially exclusionary Republican Party
and what kind of identification an immigrant from Korea might have with it.
No matter Democratic or Republican Administration, Jay Kim and many other 
Korean immigrants have had enough opportunity to succeed in the U.S. (let's
not forget, only after painfully arduos work), and then why join a political
party which in my opinion excludes socially disadvantaged?  That seems to
be an equivalent of forgetting old days when one was poor and disadvantaged
now that one joined a country club.

>of the electorate.  the only new order i see ahead is the little extra
>chunk that might get taken out of our paychecks that will continue to
>fuel the big mess of a bureaucracy we call the federal government.

In local newspaper on Monday before election day, there was a story of
president Bush doing commercial shots for some TV, when a question was
whether it was fair for him president who made $1million paid only 16%
on tax after deductions while a family who makes 56K a year paid 28%.
After pointing out that he Mr. President donated his income to charities, 
stated, Yes that's fair ... (I do not recall exact words but it was like
that).  So, given *that* record of Republican Administraction past 12 
years, if "the little extra chunck" out of pay check means fairer social 
pact, I am more than willing to bear that burden.  Besides, unless a
netter is within the income bracket Bill Clinton said he *will* raise
tax rate, I am very comfortable with it, at least for time being.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:42:42 GMT

In article <XAVIER.92Nov6154146@kuee.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp> xavier@kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp writes:
>
>In article <Bx7v42.711@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
>
> |A map has been found lately showing what the truth is.
> |That is a map which was published by professor Antonio Jata in 1777 under 
> |the sponsorship of the Venetian Senate in Italy.
> | ......
>
>I've investigated about it since I read your article. I mainly refered
>to `Great Soviet Encyclopedia, a translation of the 3rd edition,
>Macmilant Inc., New York.' The library of our university has it. Maybe
>your university has too.
>
>----
>Yuji "Xavier" Komatsu (xavier@kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp)

So.. you guys are trying to find some "authority" to decide the name for the
sea from either Italy or Russia. What's the point?
I don't think "the Sea of East" used commonly by Koreans is acceptable for
international use because "east" is too ambiguous and relative term and 
especially for Japanese people, it doesn't make any sense..
But then the matter of Sea of Korea or Sea of Japan is pretty tricky. The
thing is that two countries are too close  and the sea between them is too
small to be divided into two names.  I guess we Koreans get some impression
that since Japanese intrusion era, the name Sea of Japan has been used by
the other people in the world, and as I understand that's the motivation 
for this thread.
IMHO, it would be best if we can use such names as "Sea of Japan-Korea" or
"Sea of Korea-Japan" (but then Japanese will prefer the former, and Koreans
the latter..etc.). Well, then what about N.Korea? :-)
Anyway, name exists for others to use. If people in the world insists to
use Sea of Japan, how can we force them not to?  Well...just if we can convince
them that calling a sea , some part of which belongs to Korean territory and
some part of which belongs to Japanese territory, as Sea of Japan Only is
nonsense, I would be content with that. :-)
Just my opinion.
-- 
Sung Hyun Kim      kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ; kim_sh@jhuvms.hcx.jhu.edu

 A self-countering N-tuple is called an equilibrium point
 John Nash, Proceedings of National Academy of Science (1950)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: song@iastate.edu (Chang-Hyeon Song)
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.100916.2759@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jong-min@ie.engr.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) writes:


>>You also can also purchase them from MacConnection for about $80.
>>I believe they're Postscript type 3 fonts.  They are somewhat limited
>>since some third party company in Washington created them. 


>Also check Ecological Linguistics (see ad on last pages of MacUser). ~$100.

>Both of these fonts work on US Systems, but the code is not compatible with

No, Ecological Linguistics selles Korean System 6.0.7 with Type3 postscript
font along with it. (Munjo).  The font should work with the system.OB

>HangulTalk, and they are a little hard to type (you need all kinds of
>key combinations, option, Alt-option, etc.).

Yes, the code is not compatible with New HangulTalk, since they uses old scheme.

Why don't you check out New U.S. System 7.1, which include WorldScript tech., 
that sells for $99, and buy Korean Module for it(I don't think it will cost 
whole lot more than the system itself.)
Now Guys in Elex will have to tighten their belt.
It is ridiculous to sell KoreanTalk(which I think duplicate of Japanese System)
for over W1,200,000.

>+-------- Jong-Min Park -------------------
>| E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu           
>| Office: (608)-262-3234       360F ME Bldg
>+-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Recent News in Korea
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:06:26 GMT

In article <BxJC53.9y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.002202.20998@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> 
>gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik) writes:
>
>> 2. Difficulty in choosing a candidate in New-Korean Party 
>(Shin-HanGukDang)
>So long, TKs.

	Could some kind soul tell me what this party is all about?  I've
been out of touch with reality for a while in my ivory tower, and I haven't
heard of this party before.  Also, I should be home in time to vote in
the election, so I'd like to know more about all the parties before I go
back home, and Shin Hanguk Dang is the only one that I don't know about.
Thanks.

>
>Jong-Wook Seo


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From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: ARA BBS is back!
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:51:22 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: BBS,ARA

   The ARA BBS(one of two Internet BBS' in Korea) was destroyed by a
cracker.  Now, its operator managed to open it again and I've just confirmed
that it's back.   Its address is ara.kaist.ac.kr. (login:'bbs'). The other
Korean BBS is KIDS(kids.kotel.co.kr.) 

   Jungshik Shin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: parents push their children ... to near death ?
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: soc.culture.korean,soc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.232311.9127@news.yale.edu> lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
>In Asian philosophy, 
>for an annual plan, nothing is better than growing crops;
>for a 10-year plan, nothing is better than planting trees;
>for a centennial plan, nothing is bettern than educating children.
>Also the last item of Mencius' three pleasures in life is
>to get a gifted kid and educate him/her.
>Parents don't live solely for their children, but they know
>the education is the best gift they can give. Probably children
>would think a lot of inheritance is the best gift though...
>-DCL

	You missed the point of the original article.  Parents DO live
solely for their children.  Not all, but many, especially those who
moved abroad.  It was very common (and still is) that when a couple
move abroad, usually to the United States, that they start their life
all over again.  They might be holding degrees from Seoul National and
Ewha, which would have guaranteed a pretty good life in Korea, but which
means diddly squat in the US.  So, they feel obligated to give their
children something they were denied when they moved, all the pleasures
of life.  Education is one way of doing it.  Spoiling the kids is the
other.  In any case, I just wanted to point out that parents do live for
their children.
>


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Does anyone know FTP site for DACOM?
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:32:54 GMT

Does anyone know FTP site for DACOM in Seoul?

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Kevin Kyu-Sik Gior (gior@eecg.toronto.edu.ca)
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: hanterm, Hangul LaTex
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:42:57 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: hanterm

In article <1404@tdat.teradata.COM> syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com writes:
>What is going on with Baram server?  I guess it's been down for a while.
>
>Anybody know other site that has korean Unix and/or MS-DOS softwares?
>
>I am especially interested in hanterm and hangul latex software.
>
>If you have the information, would you kindly specify the server name
>and exact path to where the softwares are located?  I have to rely on
>ftp-mail server.
   Here's a copy of 00README file from CAIR.KAIST.AC.KR, a Hangul archive.It
doesn't say exact path name for each file. You'd better send a mail to one
of those in charge of this archive listed at the end of 00README below.
 
TeX/            Copy of the TeX distributions (for UNIX, PC)
                with many TeX utilities

X11/            Copy of official X11R5 distribution and contributions

hangul/         Various Hangul-related archives

irc/            Internet Relay Chat archives

pkg/            Packages

util/           Frequently-requested utilities

Try cs.kaist.ac.kr instead of cair to get GNU softwares!!

Last Update:
Sun Nov 24 21:46:13 KST 1991 jwjang@cair.kaist.ac.kr
Sun Dec  1 21:41:47 KST 1991 ujsung@cair.kaist.ac.kr
Wed Sep  2 10:49:49 KST 1992 tykwak@cair.kaist.ac.kr
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Sang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:27:47 GMT

shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:


>   Two new students here got HANGUL talk 7.x from Elex when they came to the
>US. They got them for about 300 k Won. Maybe Elex cut down price a lot
>though it's still expensive. 
>  By the way, I heard that Apple Talk new version 7.1(?) will have options
>for many languages including Korean,Japanese,and Chinese making it
>unnecessary to buy expensive Hangul talk separately. Is there anyone with
>more detailed information on new Apple Talk?  Please post about that.

 I tested beta version of WorldScript II and Korean Script with
 System 7.1(US). There were only bimapped fonts, no true type fonts.
 Thus, the output was not pretty unless you use postscript printers.
 (You need to download fonts first.)
 They worked fine on MacIIsi but not on powerbook 100.
 Apple may announce foreign language modules soon.
 Keep your eyes open!

D. Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung)
Subject: Travel in Korea and Japan - info. needed
Keywords: travel, Japan, Korea
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:30:15 GMT

I will be travelling in Japan for ~10-15 days in December.  I plan to buy a
7 day Japan Rail Pass to travel from Tokyo to Nagoya, Osaka, Kyoto,Hiroshima.
I plan to end up in a town (sorry, I can't remember the name) where I
can take a boat to Pusan, Korea.  In Korea, I will spend 3 days in Pusan
and Soeul.

Has anybody done this trip before?  I need some recommendations.

For example,
(1)  On the boat to Pusan, which class fare do you recommend?
(2)  Is a 7 day rail pass enough time to travel to all those places in Japan?
(3)  Should I choose a 14 day rail pass instead? (I will be in Tokyo for a
     few days)
(4)  Any suggestions for travelling ECONOMICALLY in Japan?
(5)  What is there to see in Pusan vs. Soeul?  Which is a better
     shopping place.
(6)  Which of the Japanese cities mentioned above is worth staying longer
     (other than Tokyo).


Thanks in advance,
please email me at:     tcheung@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au

-Teresa Tak Yan Cheung-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Subject: Re: parents push their children ... to near death ?
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs
Distribution: soc.culture.korean,soc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.233341.15877@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
emzx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov6.171648.18873@nmsu.edu>,
> moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater') writes: 
> > 
> > Koreans ( first generation at least :P) have the reputation
> > of working hard and driving themselves.
> > And its not for them that they do this, but so their children
> > can have a better life.
> 
> You said it.  My Father and my Mother believe in that doctrine very firmly.
> 

-->  How true, I see that with the jr high and high school students that I
work
-->  at church.  I do want to add that not all parents are like that at
all.  
-->  I read an article which Korean parents worked very hard for their son
-->  to get a new car.  After about a month, the son get into a car
accident and 
-->  dies.  Obviously that's not what the parents wanted in the end but it
looks
-->  like that some children do take advantage of their parents by just
asking for
-->  whatever they need.  And of course most KOREAN parents will say YES up
-->  to a point.  


Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: inklees@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Inkeun Leesong)
Subject: Re: first Korean-American elected to US Congress
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.185530.5955@midway.uchicago.edu> hts1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I can't believe that I haven't seen a posting of this, but since I only have
>time to infrequently scan this group, I may have missed it.
>
>Jay Kim (not to be confused with Jay Khim, another Korean-American who ran
>in Virginia but lost in the primary) won the new 41st district in California.
>
>He is a Republican from a Republican area - Orange County.  He won by a 
>landslide.
>
>I find this very exciting news, first, because I am Korean-American, and 
>second, because I am Republican (yeah, don't rub it in...).
>
>Does anyone, especially from California, have any info on Jay Kim?
>
>Thanks,  tom
>
>


I knew he was running but didn't know he succeeded.
I am very glad to hear this news.

I hope more Korean-American will be interested in participating
in American politics. Another great thing is he(Kim) is not 2nd
generation but 1st generation immigrant. Isn't it great?

Thank you for your posting.

Inkeun