From: msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,alt.flame,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: "responsible for the holocaust"
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:11:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Rational

|> In article <9208220105.AA00595@helium> dolan@noarlw.UUCP (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
|> }Gweggie challenges that by my logic, the Jews were responsible for the
|> }holocaust.
|> }
|> }Not quite.
|> 
|> }By my logic, once the Jews knew that their friends and
|> }compatriots were disappearing and never heard from again, they were
|> }responsible for rising up and fighting for their lives. They chose, in
|> }large numbers, instead to imitate sheep. Six million paid for that
|> }choice.

Was there some reason you decided to word things in a way that makes
you look like a bigot? Or is the reason really THAT obvious?

What about all the Gypsies, Russians, Poles, etc.? Were they sheep too?

Put another way: are you a Compleat Bigot?

|> } My guess is that six million rebels in a country of 40,000,000
|> }could have overthrown the government; they'd for sure have outnumbered
|> }the army.

That "6 Million" figure includes, women, children, old-aged, etc. How
the hell can 6 million "average" citizens be compared numerically to
an army of trained, healthy, well-armed men - with tanks and Stukas, etc.

I doubt even Kebbin would make such a comparison.

And, in fact, in some of the ghettos the Jews did fight back - to the
death. "Sheep", indeed. 

|> }"They came to take the Poles, but I wasn't a Pole, so I stayed silent..."

Lemme ask you this, when Pat Buchanon becomes President on 1996 (it
could happen), and he starts rounding up gays (as step 1, of course),
will you stay silent?

(I'm exagerating Buchanon's position a bit I'm sure. But watching that
spectacle in Houston last week, it wasn't hard to visualize gays
being rounded up and abortion clinics being blown up by nice brown-
shirted Republican Youths.)

|> }As to overthrowing the government, just what the hell do you think I am
|> }going on about here, anyway, Gweggie?  Rabblerouser is an honorable
|> }position in revolutions.

Actually, a revolution could have been quite a real possibility if
Perot had stayed in the race. Consider this possibility: the election
comes out too close to call, so it goes to congress. They pick
George (of course). Which means we have a president which at least 
2/3 of the country doesn't want - and voted AGAINST (especially the
Perot folks). The economy sinks deeper into the toilet and you got
a nice set up for death and destruction.

It won't need, or be helped by, "rabblerousers" who cannot contain
their racist language or have a deeply warped sense of reality.

|> }Kent, the man from xanth, with Zyklon-B showers in his garage
|> }--
|> }Visualize incumbants being defenestrated at altitude, SCTV style.
|> }My what a satisfying "Splat!" they make.
|> }Visualize a revolution, quiet or deafening.
|> }Now visualize your part, and go do it.

Yeah, right.

	-MSM

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Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
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