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From: psm@nosc.mil (Scot Mcintosh)
Subject: Book or docs for X.25 implementers?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:05:20 GMT

Does anyone know of books, articles, or other kinds of
documents that would be of help to someone implementing
the X.25 protocol? In particular, something that went
into excruciating detail in terms of how to handle
the interface for each state and event that could
take place would be of great benefit. The X.25 standard
is a nice place to start, but is, shall we say, tough
wading and utterly devoid of practical advice.


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: andrewsc@runx.oz.au (Andrew Schonberger)
Subject: Re: SNMP UNIX resource management
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:27:21 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.232959.18819@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
Bob Engley <Bob_Engley@quick.ucs.ualberta.ca> writes:

    >We would like to monitor our servers to get an idea
    >of the usage, to answer the inevitable questions:
    >Who is using then? Are they reaching capacity etc?

    >Is SNMP the way to do resource monitoring? Just UNIX for now!
    >Has anyone run across an SNMP MIB that defines
    >system resources - things like CPU usage, Disk utilization etc. 
    >How about user resource utilization?
    >Of course the next question is: What about an agent that
    >works with the "resource" MIB?

Let's go back to the basics: I recall the first RFCs about SNMP and its
predecesors. At that time, The Internet, with it's zillions of hosts, 
routes and IP interfaces was becoming unmanageable. The original motivation
for SNMP was network management, and specifically the management of TCP/IP
specific resources of a huge network. I'm not suggesting SNMP is forever 
confined to TCP/IP resources. Some manufacturers are defining MIBS for 
things which are already far from the original TCP/IP kind of resources. 

The problem comes when an administrator of a medium-sized Unix network
(20 hosts) is told that "SNMP is the standard for Unix management". Once 
the LAN is installed, hardware malfunctions are not so frequent. Much 
more often, the administrator is being faced with problems which are
not related to TCP/IP resources:
    - new users have to be added, others have to be removed.
        In a commercial Unix environment, there is typically some data
        base application, which uses its own UserIds.
    - disks or file systems run out of space.
    - some CPUs get overloaded, while others are idle. 

Perhaps I shouldn't explain here the problem domain of System Management.
We know it is more than pure Network Management. 

I recall I've seen a product named DDS-Patrol some time ago. It was doing
resource monitoring in a moderately sized Unix LAN. I think the basic 
concept was to periodically fork off things like 'ps' or 'df', although 
most of the data was obtained straight from /dev/kmem. Somehow, it was 
also polling SNMP resources, and it could be customized to execute any 
other resource-monitoring commands.

On the LAN, there were DDS-Patrol agents on each host to be managed. 
On a central monitor, a Motif window came up, showing disks, CPUs and 
other such 'things'. I remember drilling down to increasingly lower levels
of granularity, and I could define threshould values for parameters. When a 
disk got full, an icon turned red, and there was even a synthetized 
voice announcement. 

The people who showed me this is are at <mpicard@au.oracle.com>. If you are 
interested , I could look up their address or phone in US (it's not 
Oracle Corporation).

        Andrew
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: Simple example source of snmp agent?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:45:46 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Doug Toppin (toppin@melpar) wrote:
: We have a TCP/IP network of Silicon Graphics, Sun, and Motorola hosts.
: I am looking for a the source to a simple snmp agent that would let
: me interogate the hosts that support snmp (at least the SGIs that I
: am aware of).

I have been using the 'Tricklet' snmp library and programs with good
success.  It has a couple of very simple and small-ish commands in it
to poke at various parts of the MIB, and it puts out output quite suitable
for automatic parsing and handling by say 'perl' scripts.

I got it from a site in the Netherlands - if you do an archie search
for 'Tricklet' it should turn up.  It's from the same group that puts
out 'Gobbler', 'Beholder' et al.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: kev@sol.acs.unt.edu (Kevin W. Mullet)
Subject: Re: snmp for traffic measurement
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:01:38 GMT

pete@dugite.UUCP (Pete Allen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.173948.258@mvax.uakom.cs> elias@mvax.uakom.cs writes:
>  I use the Cisco 'ifinBitsSec' (or something like that). This gives you
>the BPS value for whichever interface you select, which can then be
>either graphed or dumped to a flat file for export to a spreadsheet (I
>use Excel).
>  Hope this helps -- Pete

I've never been able to find out to my satisfaction if that is ALL physical
bits, or just link-level.  On an Ethernet interface, for instance, does
that include the mac-layer preamble and any padding after the data field
to get the packet up to minimum size?

-KwM-


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University of North Texas Computing Center |  IN ANY WAY WITH UNT.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: karl@empirical.com (Karl Auerbach)
Subject: Re: snmp-controlled stereo systems
Organization: Empirical Tools and Technologies
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:39:24 GMT


>I'm going to buy a stereo for my office.  I've heard of at least one
>guy who's put together the pieces to control a stereo receiver with
>SNMP.  I assume the receiver has an RS-232 port connected to a machine
>running a custom SNMP agent.
>
>Anybody know anything about this?  I'd be happy just to get some info
>about a stereo that's computer-controllable.

The SNMP stereo is was a collaborative effort involving TGV here in 
glorious Santa Cruz California and Internode Systems in glorious Adelade (
pardon my spelling) in Austrailia.

The mibs have been posted and are, I belive, in all the standard mib 
archives.  Simon Hackett (Internode) is usually listening to the internet 
snmp list.

One of the tricks is to use stereo gear that has a remote control 
capability, especially if it has a remote control bus to tie amps to cd 
players, etc. 

			--karl--
 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: arifin@iti.gov.sg (Arifin Othman (JSAIC))
Subject: FAQ for this group
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:00:49 GMT

Sorry for my ignorance, but is there a FAQ for this group?

Would appreciate if anyone with the latest FAQ to mail to me at
arifin@ncb.gov.sg.

Thank you in advance.

Arifin Othman
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: johnb@kalpana.com (John Bartas)
Subject: Re: snmp-controlled stereo systems
Organization: Kalpana Inc
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:49:30 GMT

In article <1gasnoINN3l2@barnard.usc.edu> siemsen@barnard.usc.edu (Pete Siemsen) writes:
>I'm going to buy a stereo for my office.  I've heard of at least one
>guy who's put together the pieces to control a stereo receiver with
>SNMP.  I assume the receiver has an RS-232 port connected to a machine
>running a custom SNMP agent.
>
>Anybody know anything about this?  I'd be happy just to get some info
>about a stereo that's computer-controllable.

Epilogue Technologies Demo'ed a CD stereo system (w/receiver) controled 
by SNMP at an InterOp a few years back. I don't think they ever 
made a commercial product out of it, but I could be Wrong. You can 
reach them at (805) 650-7107.

>-- 
>Pete Siemsen                         Pete Siemsen            siemsen@usc.edu
>University of Southern California    645 Ohio Ave. #302      (213) 740-7391 (w)
>1020 West Jefferson Blvd.            Long Beach, CA 90814    (213) 433-3059 (h)
>Los Angeles, CA 90089-0251

======================================================================
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Pricipal Software Engineer      | in any official capacity. I'm just
Kalpana, Inc. (408)988-1600x141 | an employee who reads the net.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." -Pogo
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: lachlan@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Lachlan Brown)
Subject: Paging from a net mgmt station
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:00:58 GMT

I'm trying to get Sun Net Manger to page some one when an important
machine goes down. The pager company uses the PET (Pager Entry Terminal)
protocol via a modem to the pager company. Does anyone have code for this??

Thanks
Lachlan
From: sw0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven L. Waldbusser)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: SNMP UNIX resource management
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:20:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wf_q=GS00WAr58WVRS
Organization: Network Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.protocols.snmp: 11-Dec-92 SNMP UNIX resource
management Bob Engley@quick.ucs.ual (506)

> Is SNMP the way to do resource monitoring? Just UNIX for now!
> Has anyone run across an SNMP MIB that defines
> system resources - things like CPU usage, Disk utilization etc. 
> How about user resource utilization?

The IETF Host Resources MIB Working Group is in the final stages of
writing such a MIB that defines system independent objects for hosts. 
In particular, it will handle the things you mentioned.  The Internet
Draft is available through anonyous FTP to nnsc.nsf.net in the directory
internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hostmib-resources-00.txt.  The latest working
draft is on lancaster.andrew.cmu.edu in pub/hostmib/hostmib.txt.

Excerpts from netnews.comp.protocols.snmp: 11-Dec-92 SNMP UNIX resource
management Bob Engley@quick.ucs.ual (506)

> Of course the next question is: What about an agent that
> works with the "resource" MIB?

There are none yet that I know about.  I expect that there will be
commercial products for the PC, Mac, and Unix that implement this MIB. 
Since the MIB is pretty simple, I would also expect that a freely
available Unix agent would come along as well.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: johnb@kalpana.com (John Bartas)
Subject: Re: Standard MIB object ?
Organization: Kalpana Inc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:57:32 GMT

In article <1goqabINN84h@meaddata.meaddata.com> rfrink@meaddata.com (Rick Frink) writes:
>   Why isn't the object 'collisions' part of either MIB I/II ?  It seems
>   very basic, yet essential.  ( If collisions is not relevant, then either
>   populate with something similar or nothing ).
>

Back in the Mid '80s a bunch of us at Wollongong (at the time) set about
collecting the list of variables to be part of the 1st general
purpose SNMP MIB. One of the requirements for the items related to 
the interface was that they be generic to all interfaces as much as
possible. Collisions are meaningfull on ethernet, but not on many
other media. In the years since then I've implmented many agents, and 
about 50% of the if table devices turn out to be ethernet. I guess you
could debate if one should implement a variable that only applies
about half the time, but keep in mind that we didn't know how long
ethernet would be popular as a media (we were also using token ring
and fiber). Even with hindsight, I think it was the right decision.

You should also note that MIB-II allows for extensions to the if
Table via the "ifSpecific" object. There is an ethernet MIB which maps
into that which, I assume, includes collision counts.


>Rick Frink                                              (513) 865-1645
>Mead Data Central                             Telecomm/Campus Networks
>P.O. Box 933                                       rfrink@meaddata.com
>Dayton, Ohio  45401                          ...!uunet!meaddata!rfrink
>

======================================================================
John Bartas                     | Disclaimer - I don't speak for Kalpana
Pricipal Software Engineer      | in any official capacity. I'm just
Kalpana, Inc. (408)988-1600x141 | an employee who reads the net.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." -Pogo
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: snmp-controlled stereo systems
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:17:18 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND


In article <1gasnoINN3l2@barnard.usc.edu>, siemsen@barnard.usc.edu (Pete Siemsen) writes:
|> I'm going to buy a stereo for my office.  I've heard of at least one
|> guy who's put together the pieces to control a stereo receiver with
|> SNMP.  I assume the receiver has an RS-232 port connected to a machine
|> running a custom SNMP agent.
|> 
|> Anybody know anything about this?  I'd be happy just to get some info
|> about a stereo that's computer-controllable.

You should talk to Simon Hackett <simon@internode.com.au>. He did a very
impressive demo of this at Interop 90 and at the Australian Networkshop 90.

There was a write up in ConneXions, April 1991.
From: sam@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (B. Samuel Blanchard)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: Simple example source of snmp agent?
Keywords: snmp agent
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:42:10 GMT
Organization: Starting a ?NIX users' Group in Indiana! ask about it.

FYI:  I tried replying and got
550 toppin@melpar... Host unknown

Motorola NSE has a "non-supported" archive on the end of the tape.  It
includes snmp and slip.  I did get assistance (quick answers and reasonable
people) for slip.  I use the snmp to look at Annex3 servers and plan to
write some code for management.  They provide a few simple programs.

There is also The Commercial Networking Extensions Packages for which I have
a photocopy of the Package Description.  Tried to get cost but have not
followed through with Salesman.

NSE is Motorola's Network Services Extension (BSD style BTW)
CNEP also has BSD network printing.
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418 Winfield Dr         (317) 284-7131   work
Greenfield, IN 46140

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Greenfield, IN 46140
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: robinson@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Sheldon Robinson)
Subject: MIT SNMP DOCUMENTATION
Organization: Connection Machine Facility, NRL
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:24:53 GMT


Real simple.

Does anyone know where there is any documentation on the MIT version of
snmp?  I'm just looking for something a little beyond the "SNMP Development
Kit" to explain how some of these nice Mix/Miv functions work.  It looks
like there is a whole library of functions for doing anything I want with
the SNMP daemon, but I don't know how to use them :-(

Sheldon
From: rfrink@meaddata.com (Rick Frink)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Standard MIB object ?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:57:15 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: campnet.meaddata.com

   Why isn't the object 'collisions' part of either MIB I/II ?  It seems
   very basic, yet essential.  ( If collisions is not relevant, then either
   populate with something similar or nothing ).

-- 
Rick Frink                                              (513) 865-1645
Mead Data Central                             Telecomm/Campus Networks
P.O. Box 933                                       rfrink@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401                          ...!uunet!meaddata!rfrink

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde)
Subject: Re: how to get variables
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
NntpPostingHost: engineer.mrg.uswest.com
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:24:57 GMT

In article <hoens.723910384@gmd.de> hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens) writes:
>there are some mysteries in the procedure of getting the value of
>some variables.
>
>if you want a nonindexed variable, you will have to ask for
>
>x.y.z.0
>
>when you want x.y.z.
>
>Other questions will result in: no such name.
>
>if you want an indexed variable, you will have to ask for
>x.y.z.i
>when you want index i of x.y.z
>
>why is there this extrazero in the question (by getrequest) for
>a nonindexed variable?
>
>in the getnextrequest the situation is even more complicated. but
>i think, we should discuss that stuff later
>
>
>
>* Guenter Hoens, GMD  I8, 
>* German National Research Center for Computer Science
>* hoens@gmd.de    (02241) 142408

x.y.z is the "class" of the variable.  x.y.z.0 is the instance (leaf).
many variables are single instance variables so the instance of x.y.x is
x.y.z.0.  For tables there are two forms, dense index and sparse index.
in a dense table each index is one greater than the previous.
in a sparse table each index is "lexagraphicly greater" (sorted order)


**Sparse table

get_next_req (atPhysAddress)
might return get_response (atPhysAddress.144.163.254.20 = 00:00:08:23:AF:D3)

get_next_req (atPhysAddress.144.163.254.20)
might return get_response (atPhysAddress.144.163.254.31 = 00:20:C3:00:00:FA)

** Single instance

get_next_req (system)
will return get_response (sysDescr.0 = "GS3BFX 9.0(1) bla bla bla")


** Dense table

get_next_req (interfaces)
will return get_response (ifNumber.0 = 3) 

get_next_req (ifNumber.0)
will return get_response (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.1 = 1)
get_next_req (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.1)
will return get_response (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.2 = 2)
get_next_req (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.2)
will return get_response (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.3 = 3)
get_next_req (ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.3)
will return get_response (ifTable.ifEntry.ifDescr.1 = "ethernet0")
...

Hope this helps!
	chris

 
Chris Fedde, USWEST MRG, chris@mrg.uswest.com, voice +13037842823
From: siemsen@barnard.usc.edu (Pete Siemsen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: snmp-controlled stereo systems
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:12:40 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: barnard.usc.edu

I'm going to buy a stereo for my office.  I've heard of at least one
guy who's put together the pieces to control a stereo receiver with
SNMP.  I assume the receiver has an RS-232 port connected to a machine
running a custom SNMP agent.

Anybody know anything about this?  I'd be happy just to get some info
about a stereo that's computer-controllable.
-- 
Pete Siemsen                         Pete Siemsen            siemsen@usc.edu
University of Southern California    645 Ohio Ave. #302      (213) 740-7391 (w)
1020 West Jefferson Blvd.            Long Beach, CA 90814    (213) 433-3059 (h)
Los Angeles, CA 90089-0251
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: robinson@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Sheldon Robinson)
Subject: MIT SNMP DOCUMENTATION
Organization: Connection Machine Facility, NRL
Distribution: comp.protocals.snmp
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:52:00 GMT


I'm just looking for some real simple documentation on the MIT version
of the SNMP daemon and all it's libraries.  I'm looking for something
a little beyond "The SNMP Development Kit".  This version of SNMP seems
to have so many useful functions already built into it making extensions
quite easy except I don't know which functions do what :-(  It would seem
that some documents must be out there somewhere, but none came with it
and I haven't found any yet :-(

Please tell me these documents exist!  Please tell me where they are!
Help!!!

Sheldon :-)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: "Bernd Finkemeyer" <p00122@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: how to get variables
Organization: Bear Software
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:37:53 GMT
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>if you want a non-indexed variable, you will have to ask for
>
>x.y.z.0
>
>when you want x.y.z.
>
>Other questions will result in: no such name.
>
>if you want an indexed variable, you will have to ask for
>x.y.z.i
>when you want index i of x.y.z
>
>why is there this extra-zero in the question (by get-request) for
>a non-indexed variable?

In the case of scalar objects, there is no ambiguity between an object
type and an instance of that object; there is only one object instance
for each scalar object type. However, for consistency with the
convention for tabular objects, and to distinguish between an object
type and an object instance, SNMP dictates that the instance
identifier of a nontabular scalar object consists of its object identifier
concatenated with 0.

This convention is retained in SMP and SNMPv2.

Bill Stallings
Internet: 72500.3562@compuserve.com
From: pete@dugite.UUCP (Pete Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: snmp for traffic measurement
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:53:24 GMT
Organization: Dugite Systems

In article <1992Dec10.173948.258@mvax.uakom.cs> elias@mvax.uakom.cs writes:
>
>I would like to measure traffic between 2 ciscos on serial
>lines and have snmp client with get set ... capability.
>Could you advice me please what variables I should collect ?

  I use the Cisco 'ifinBitsSec' (or something like that). This gives you
the BPS value for whichever interface you select, which can then be
either graphed or dumped to a flat file for export to a spreadsheet (I
use Excel).

  Hope this helps -- Pete

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: toppin@melpar (Doug Toppin)
Subject: Simple example source of snmp agent?
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:43:08 GMT
Summary: Where can the source for a simple snmp agent be found?
Keywords: snmp agent

We have a TCP/IP network of Silicon Graphics, Sun, and Motorola hosts.
I am looking for a the source to a simple snmp agent that would let
me interogate the hosts that support snmp (at least the SGIs that I
am aware of).
I just want something that will retrieve a small portion of the MIB
of a remote host.
I am new to this area so I may not be phrasing the question correctly.
If you can send an example or direct me to one I would appreciate it.
I have checked the archives an cannot find anything that is appears
to be a small example.
thanks
Doug Toppin
uunet!melpar!toppin

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.snmp
From: Bob Engley <Bob_Engley@quick.ucs.ualberta.ca>
Subject: SNMP UNIX resource management
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21: 23:26 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:23:33 GMT


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