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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: arranged marriages
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:24:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.184143.12802@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
>================================
>>moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Hmmm....
>>>
>>>I suddenly realized that half the women I talked to were in fact Sri
>>>Lankan, and from small villages.  Therein may lay the heart of the
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>I have to be careful about such generaliations of Sri Lankans as
>>>Indians - it's similar, but not quite the same.
>
> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) replies:
>>Should we now discount the other generalizations we have heard from you 
>>over the last few months, for example those about Indian men, for similar 
>>reasons ?!
>>Satyen
>
> No. 
> Actually, IMO, her opinions about indian (or SL, sri lankan for short) 
> men/women are pretty true and universal enuf that they can be 
> generalized globally. 


Sure. Someone will then feel free to generalize about US men and women after 
talking with a few Haitians from small villages. Just so they don't throw 
things off too much, I'll ask them to talk with a few Alaskan Inuit.

:-)
Satyen
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Problems faced by Indian immigrants not common to Chinese or 
    Japanese
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:46:18 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: shashi

amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:

>I'm still putting together the paper for my history class, the
>subject being:

>      Select three unique challenges faced by immigrants
>      from India which were not common to their counterparts
>      from either China or Japan.  How do you account for
>      the differences?
-- part of text deleted --
>(4) Group Support

>Are Asian Indians less likely to form immigrant supports groups
>than Chinese or Japanese?  India's history was full of large
>empires with many different languages and little mixing.  Some
>of this is reflected in the caste system.  Is there less sense
>of unity and more focus on individualism?

This is my individual observation and others should feel free 
to discuss about this. In my last 20 years of stay in this 
country, I have noticed at least 3 different 'groups' of indian 
communities and each mixes very well among their own group and a little
suspiciously (if at all) among others. One is those who are students. Another
is those who are in academic field who may or may not be students
when thay came here and third group is those of 'professionals'
- people who either own a business or wirk in the industry.
Many times the financial abilities of these group make the order
students <= academicians <= professionals
(The = is when a student becomes a postdoc, a postdoc becomes a 
professor :-) ) 
Lately there are some 'visitors' who don't fit in any of these
'caste's and tend to mingle with whomever they meet when they first
arrive.
As I have yet not been able to shred my hatred of CASTE system in
India, these newly imposed castes used to bother me much. As I get
older, I have learned to accept/ignore things as they are.
I have also noticed a change in the trend of new immigrants that
majority 'want' to live in US permanently as opposed to those
who came 20 years ago - including us - did go back and few did
come back to US and settled here when something or other did not meet the
expectations back in India.
>I'd appreciate any comments, suggestions, and even arguments
>with the above.  My paper is due next Monday and I've discovered
>the internet is a fantastic way to discuss ideas.  I apologize
>in advance if my comments or questions are insulting to anyone,
>my intention is to learn.

>Alex Miller     DISCLAIMER: my employer doesn't tell me opinions
>amiller@almaden.ibm.com     opinions, so these must be mine.
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From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Re: Problems faced by Indian immigrants not common to Chinese or Japanese
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:25:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.231542.17741@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
>
>I just wanted to add in the context of Gandhi that while his influence on
>Martin Luther King is celebrated, the influence of the 19th Century American 
>thinkers Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau on the evolution of 
>Gandhi's philosophy is relatively less well known. Thoreau died a few 

	Actually, most Westerners around 1940 and 1950 believed that Emerson
	and Thoreau (and Tolstoy too, BTW) had a great influence on Gandhiji,
	greater than they actually did. The Bible had a greater impact on
	Gandhiji than the writings of any of these three, but after Gandhiji
	realized that Hindu scriptures like the Gita were a repository of
	philosophy richer than all these, he became a very devout Hindu.

	There was a time when Gandhiji considered himself an Englishman,
	and tried very hard to be the model British citizen, but his
	sufferrings in South Africa, and his voyuers in India made him
	realize his Indianness and after that he often went out of his
	way to exhibit his Indianness and trying to make his fellow citizens
	proud of theirs.

>noble ideal. While Gandhi phrased his philosophy in terms which were rooted 
>in the Indian ethos e.g.,  *satyagraha* or *ahimsa*, leading one to 
>think of it as having derived inspiration mainly from ancient Indian thought,
>Western thinkers, and particularly Emerson and Thoreau did indeed influence 
>Gandhi strongly. This tends to get glossed over in India, for any number
>of reasons, from chauvinism to ignorance, but Indian Americans ought to 
>
>Satyen

	They did influnce his thinking. But he had launched his first 
	satyagraha and civil disobedience movement in SA before Thoreau
	or Emerson wrote about the latter concept.

	Indians have a very bad habit of glorifying someone but generally
	not heeding his/her preachings. It is often carried to the extreme,
	and the hero-worship cult both of politcians and film-stars, is
	part of the reason. And when this glorifiying is at its zenith, rarely
	does any ratiocination enter into it. Ignorance reigns supreme,
	unfortunately.

	Gopu
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: arranged marriages
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:39:04 GMT

In article <samaddar.720917308@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:
> >I am talking about the situation about finding u'r self in the same room
> >as that of a stranger right after marriage. I always thought that indian 
> 
> Believe it or not, most of the times the 2 persons involved are quite
> eager about the encounter. Most of the times they are also nervous. But it is
> not like a girl is thrown into a room with a stranger who is just waiting
> to force himself upon her. The groom is probably going to be at his best
> behavior to try to make a favorable impression on the bride. Like, in a date.
> They don't have to do it on the first night. Like they don't have to do it
> on a first date either. 

True, it is like a first date. If you picked up your partner carefully,
then you may make it on the first date itself ...

> But, unlike a date, it is not so easy to back out
> if this first night together doesn't work out well.

And that is one of the major problems with arranged marriages.

Alok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: arranged marriages
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.020636.14420@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> >I don't think Indian guys talk about sex either with each other.
> >Not in India at least. I haven't seen very many talk about it
> >here either. ....
> >
> >Alok
> 
> Huh?! Where did you get the notion that Indian guys do not talk
> about sex. 

I rarely saw anyone talk about their sexual experiences. I did hear
people making sexual remarks like - "She is very sexy", "She has big 
breasts" etc., I even saw people keeping pin-ups in their dorm rooms
etc. But, almost no one talked about any sexual experiences. Probably,
because they didn't have any ...
(I am talking about unmarried guys)

> I don't think there is any *normal* Indian who doesn't 
> talk about sex. 

I hope you are not implying that those who do not talk about sex are 
not normal. Are you ?

> You probably never mixed really well with the crowd in India.  

You may be right about not mixing with the crowd. I was an obedient, 
studious type, usually doing my school work or work around the home ...  
Hey, I am very much NORMAL. My wife thinks I was nice and considerate 
in sex. I used to be one of those who rarely talked about sex  ...
In fact I was a very quiet guy. I rarely talked much about anything.
My family members used to call me Plato, Arastu, Binoba Bhave ...
... I was like a philosopher who used to think a lot. But I did things
when it really mattered. 

> Perhaps it was a difference in the sex-related 
> terminology used here and in India that might have been the cause 
> of guys not wanting to talk about sex to you.  

Not really. It is just that I prefered to go for the real experience
than just talk about it. I probably instinctly avoided guys who just 
talk about it. So you are probably right. There are indeed Indian
guys who talk a lot of sex ...


> Infact, at times 
> I used to ask myself "Is that the only thing we Indians can do all
> the time -- talk about sex !?" 
> 

Perhaps I missed the fun, it is time to catch up :-)

Alok
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: nissabda 'acker'in~
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:56:48 GMT


           nissabda `acker'in~
           -------------------

      enthedO `acker'e kaiyyum ketti

      vaayichu maathramirunnaal pOraa

      enthoru kunthamaaNelum mathi

      `ack'il ezhuthi ozhukki vid~


      saayippin naattile `mallu' aaN~

      daahichu nOkkiyirikkayaaN~

      paayasam vENamennilla kEttO

      aayaasam koodaathe `post' cheyy~


      matthai, maikkEl~, jOs~, wOnko

      maathRam ezhuthi vittaal mathiyO

      otthu vannillenkil pEdikkEnda

      vAyichu rasikkaan njangaLund~


Jacob
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From: g9133666@cs.uow.edu.au (Moothedath Padmaraj)
Subject: Re: mallu claims to fame
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:06:12 GMT

>If you want to talk about famous Mallu's, start with MDR!
                                                      ^^^^
>>C. 1992 : Wonko, the sane.

>Njan


I am sure this is a reference to the famous "MGR".He was certainly one
of the most famous mallus.The only anomaly here could be that some
people believe that MGR  did not consider himself to be a mallu.
This could have been because of the anti malayalee feelings prevelent.

MGR was probabily the only "unbeatable" leader in his time and even today
elections are won and lost in Tamil Nadu in his name.His memory still
evokes strong emotions in Tamil Nadu.

Padmaraj
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From: nizar@cis.ksu.edu (Abdul Nizar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Current Politics in Kerala
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:05:05 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept of Computing & Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: procyon.cis.ksu.edu
Originator: nizar@cis.ksu.edu


Hi,

	Does anybody out there know about the current political situation in
Kerala. Like who is with/against whom? I have not heard anything after I came 
over. 

bye

Nizar

P.S:- Or is politics outside the scope of this newsgroup?


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From: jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer)
Subject: poor jokes
Summary: nerrampokku
Keywords: valippadi
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:05:25 GMT


Jacob's letter was so appealing that I feel inspired to contribute to the
newsgroup. However I warn all serious reader of this newsgroup to press 'n'
now as all you are going to see is some poor jokes.


















































Overheard hearing a conversation between two men

Q: evide mootram ozhichaal police pidikuvo
A: polisonnum pidikilla, thaanthanne pidicholanam

here is an another one.This time a popular pun

Magician sawed his wife into two because he didn't like her w(hole).

have fun,
stay cool

jagadish
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mece3d@jane.uh.edu (Michael Yesudas)
Subject: The Land of Black Gold
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:03:00 GMT

That was Dubai. The winter rush was heavy. The entire airport was like Howrah
Railway Station, except for the odour of fresh river fish. The announcer's
sound energy was drowned in the drone of multilingual potpourri. Waiting seemed
to go on endlessly.

It was the land I was told right from my KG days that people simply made money.
It was just there all over the place. Later on someone told me that it was 
also a place of the precious yellow metal, though the customs inspectors make
out "Dubai Gold" by the its high lustre as well as the light colour, though
I never bothered to verify the truth...

About 50% of them were just Keralites. And all of them seemed weary and 
grew exponentially impatient by the minute. Right across stood a man who was
trying to explain to his kids in half broken Malayalam and English something
that he had very little interest in. His wife was deeply engaged in the 
activity of counting and recounting the number of pieces of luggage that
they wanted to "import". One of them was made of a rectangular block with
huge blue letters "PIONEER", could be a TV or a sound system; I thought. All
over the three visible faces of it were directions and addresses printed in
shabby handwriting with a deep red marker pen. 

My short stint in Dubai was extremely colourful, starting with the adventure
with the Arabi, who, not knowing that it was just the wind that had activated
his car alarm, said @#^*&^$*^$@#*$^@%$&!!! I gave a smile at which he reeled
out further characters from the unpublished dictionary of his. And each of
the countless "Mallus" that my uncle introduced me to had a rags to riches
story, which in Bollywood would have appeared in the gossip column.

Shopping in Dubai was not really what my friends had told me about. Many times
I found that though prices were lower than US, the variety was also less. The
high rise buildings and impeccable roads was certainly a lure to the visitor.
And many a time on the streets, you can hear Malayalam, making you feel at home 

A lot of the Malayalis who were in Dubai, were doing almost the same jobs that
they would have otherwise done in Kerala. Or so they told me. But the happiness
was simply in the money....

And they all went home with dreams and dreams and with a mini Dubai in their 
thick suitcases.

Sincerely
Michael 


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From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Keralam in TV Ontario
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:54:09 GMT

There was a program yesterday in TV Ontario about indigenous food
habits and the role of local people in developing it. The focus
was on Hungary, Australian aboriginals, and guess what? Keralam.
I missed some of the Keralam part, but the theme was the role
played by women in the soceity of Keralam. And it was good to
see Madhavikkutty, Sugathakumari etc. talking in a Canadian TV 
programme.

Arun 
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From: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Subject: Bus Yatra
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:38:24 GMT
Distribution: all
Reply_to: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Corp

 An important part of the experiences I had as a student
in Kerala are the incredible bus Yatras I used to take to
get to school. I lived in a place called Paipadu
which is 5 miles from changanacherry and I commuted to
changanacherry every day while attending high school and
afterwards the now infamous S.B. College. The choices I
had were either to walk the 5 miles or to pay a subsidized fare
of 10 paisa and take a bus yatra. The buses where mostly
private buses and most of them came from far away places like
kozhencherry, kaviyoor,pathanamthitta -- in addition to some
local buses.. The buses were all packed with people with no
space left even to stick a needle by the time it got to the
bus stop near my house.  
  Looking back I cannot figure out why they still stopped
to pick us up. May be it was for the money or may be they
are afraid they will be picketed if they dont. Then it was
the struggle to get on to the bus and find something to
hold on to while the bus makes those treacherous turns and
twists. And then there are more stops on the way and more
and more people will get on to test the incredible power
of humans beings to shrink and adjust. By convention buses
seat the women in the front and men in the back. But in a 
situation where humans are packed like sardines and every
body is trying to hold on their books with one hand and
to something that will keep them from loosing their balances
with their other hand, this seperation vanishes. May be
I like many others took advantage of this situation.
May be those girls were equally guilty (If I am guilty).
But those bus yatras were my first sexual experiences
of some kind.
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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Current Politics in Kerala
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:08:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <nizar.721253173@procyon.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> nizar@cis.ksu.edu (Abdul Nizar) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>	Does anybody out there know about the current political situation in
>Kerala. Like who is with/against whom? I have not heard anything after I came 
>over. 
>
>Nizar

>P.S:- Or is politics outside the scope of this newsgroup?

	I don't see any reason why local Kerala politics and
Indian/World politics that can affect Kerala should be out of the
scope of the newsgroup; in fact, they are some of the most relevant
topics, IMHO. (Personally, I think nothing should be *kept* outside
the scope of this newsgroup.)

	I don't know when you came over. Nothing very interesting is
happening in the political scene of Kerala. Two developments of possible
interest are:

   1.	While the All India Cong(I) was struggling to patch up the two
	factions in Kerala Cong (I) -- led respectively by Karunakaran
	and A. K. Antony -- a third faction came up. This is called
	the "thirutthal vadikaL" or reformists, who are the Karunakaran
	people opposed to Muralidharan, Karunakaran's son, who has been
	getting unusual `lift'. This side is led by Ramesh Chennithala,
	Shanavas(?) etc. The situation is said to be getting interesting.

   2.	The memoirs of late C. Achyutha Menon are published in Mathrubhoomi
	by one Mohanan. (I guess I can't call it his memoirs. Mohanan got
	extensive info from CAMenon as replies to specific questions for
	writing such a column). In any case, these letters were somewhat
	unkind to EMS -- mildly and harmlessly, in my opinion. However,
	EMS got agitated and retaliated in Deshabhimani. Thus a war of
	words (my characterization) is/was going on between the late
	Achyutha Menon and the living EMS.

PJN


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