From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Can Colorado discriminate against straights?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:13:10 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <Nov11.195024.69810@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> doug@crevasse.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Doug Cripe) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.190409.11354@tc.cornell.edu>  writes:
>> In article <Nov06.204504.74727@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> writes:  
>> >Homosexuals DO have equal rights under the law.  Or aren't ordinary  
>> >laws good enough for them?
>> 
>> Apparently not, since we can be fired from our jobs for no
>> reason other than sexual orientation.

>On the other hand, with protected status, it would be next to impossible  
>to fire an incomptetent homosexual.  Yelling "discrimination" would  
>silence anything the employer had to say.  

But only if there was insufficient documentation to prove the firing
was not groundless.  If the employer had proof of any incompetence,
the firing would stand on merit.

>                                      I for one would not want an avowed,   
>practicing homosexual teaching my children in elementary school, and I  
>know I'm by far not the only one to feel this way.

OK, why?  Or are you from the school of "all gays are child molesters",
even though most medical and psychological studies have shown that the
majority of the perpetrators of those crimes are HETEROsexual?


[ ... other mindless illogical drivel deleted ... ]

>>We can't marry our partners. 

>Do you think it is sheer coincidence that no civilized nation on this  
>planet includes homosexuality in the definition of marriage?  

And how nice of you to proclaim that Denmark is no longer a "civilized
nation on this planet".  Your ignorance is scary -- have you learned
NOTHING at that school of yours?

>from time immemorial, has always been defined as the joining of a man and  
>a woman, forming the basic family unit.  Perhaps some other, legally  
>recognized union could be established for homosexual "couples", but that  
>should never supplant, or be on the same level as, marriage.  Besides,  
>what do we do with the man who wants to "marry" his sheep?  Or the mormon  
>who wants 7 wives?  Or the man who wants to "marry" a nine year-old boy?   
>After all, these are merely sexual orientations...

Oh, good, you've learned your lessons from the Oregon Citizens' Alliance.
Equate anything "different" with bestiality and pederasty.

When logic fails, pull out the widest brush you can to smear those you
perceive as your "enemies".  Pitiful.

>>We aren't covered by inheritance laws.  

>Of course not.  Inheritance again is defined in terms of family bloodlines  
>the world over.  I can just imagine the chaos that would ensue when Bill,  
>who was Bob's lover for 3 months, not to mention Bob's 100 other lovers,  
>starts trying to make inheritance claims after Bob passes on. 

Which is why marriage is a LEGAL contract (remember that marriage 
license a straight couple must get before the wedding?).  If a 
same-sex couple could form such a binding legal partnership with
the same ease as a male-female couple, such pronouncements as yours
(and, for the record, I know of no person, gay _or_ straight, with
"100 former lovers") could even easier be shown as misinformed.

>>We don't get visitation rights when our partners are hospitalized.

>Here, I'll agree with you that this isn't right, although I can't imagine  
>under what circumstances this would happen.

Let me give you a real-life example:  a male couple, together for over 16 
years.  One of them is hospitalized with appendicitis.  That man's family
bars his partner from any contact with his lover until the lover is 
released from the hospital.

Why?  The "evil lifestyle" the partner "enticed" his lover into leading
(although the banned partner in this couple was 10 years younger) was
supposedly (to the family) the major cause of the appendicitis.


[ ... page after page of babbling deleted to save bandwidth ... ]

>Who said it was?  Honesty sure is not an EPOC value.

Oh, that's true.  You have the only franchise, lock, stock, and barrel,
on honesty in your state.  And only your brand of honesty, where all the
folks look like you, act like you, eat the same Wonder Bread as you, etc.,
will be tolerated in KKKolorado.


>>Boycott Colorado

>If you feel that will threaten us, think again.  Our morals and values are  
>not up for sale.

Nope, they're not.  You've obviously sold out LONG ago.

>> 
>>        Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

>Douglas Cripe - Atmospheric Science - Colorado State University

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