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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: 2.04 features (was Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT (my $.02))
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:30:55 GMT

In <1992Sep9.203652.14524@u.washington.edu> england@milton.u.washington.edu (England) writes:

>In article <9209091956.AA11545@teetot.acusd.edu> gs@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon) writes:
>>From teetot.acusd.edu!network.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!taltta.hut.fi!s36399s Wed Sep  9 12:46:26 PDT 1992
>>>I've had some strange lockups & gurus (81000000f and the like) since i installed
>>>siliconmenus. These don't seem to relate to any single application, but
>>>the gurus have happened always when either closing or opening a new
>>>window (quite rarely though). My friend reports enforcer hits every now
>>>and then.
...
>>
>>Hmmm...ToolsDaemon2.0b has given me nothing but grief--to the point of
>>which I don't even use it anymore!
>>
...
>>
>>oh--I have WB2.04, A500 68000 w/GVP Q52LPS but who's counting :-)
>>

>'ve encountered no such difficulties at all with ToolsDaemon2.0b (and Silicon
>Menus).

>Maybe I'm lucky??

 Or maybe you don't own a 68000 based Amiga.  You don't say.

 This is all the result of an odd address being returned by Intuition,
and a stupid program assuming that address is a legal pointer.

 It causes an exception on the 68000, not on the 68030.  It's also 
somewhat random, cause Intuition might actually return something that
the 68000 considers valid.

 This was all discussed over the summer in somewhat gruesome detail, and
I believe it was decided that this is a feature of AmigaDOS 2.04 that
will help force software developers to write decent code once they find
all of their 500/2000 owning users start complaining about random crashes.

 There have been rumors of a new Setpatch from CBM that will help relieve
many of these problems.  It is supposedly in v2.05 and v2.1 of AmigaDOS,
but I'm not aware that it's been released to dealers yet.




 In the meantime, would you peoples stop arguing:
 "It works!"
 "Does not!"
 "Does to!"

 Or at least provide some useful data regarding your machines configuration.




-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429
From: frank@clark.edu (Frank Torres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga Good Deal
Keywords: A2000, buying maybe.
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:51:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Sep11.025105.23109
Distribution: usa
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA


  I'm thinking about buying an Amiga 2000 used for $800. The computer
is either 1-2 years old and comes with the following:

 * 40Meg internal hrd drv.

 * 6Meg Ram. (memory board)

 * 1084s monitor.

 * 2400 baud modem.

 * Board Revsion # 6

 * Two 3 1/2" disk drives.

 * 68000 cpu.

 * Rom Bios 1.34.1

Is $800 a good price for the above A2000 if yes please continue reading.


Is there a way to increase the speed from 7.99Mhz, 16Mhz or 25Mhz without
changing the cpu (osclator, crystal). Also what cpu upgrade can I get for
the A2000 (68020, 68030, 68040) and how much will it cost. 
Please Email Me for I don't read this newsgroup much.

I thank you for your help and time THANK'S!!!!!!

Email Address: frank@clark.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: toddal@cco.caltech.edu (Todd Michael Allendorf)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:42:59 GMT

lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:

>This information sounded so unbelievable that I find it almost hard to
>believe. That is why I'd love to see someone to confirm this
>information on the future plans of Commodore before I spread it to the
>local BBS'es.

>--
>Jarkko Lindblad
>lindblad@cc.helsinki.fii

I don't blame.  I was sitting next to Andre and I couldn't believe what
I was hearing.  It was as if every complaint anyone could ever have about
the future of the Amiga was being answered before it could be raised.
It seems as if Commodore has had a major attitude adjustment, better
than we could have hoped for.  Every item in Andre's post was an actual
statement (displayed on a TV screen) not a speculation or interpretation.
The speech certainly renewed my faith in Commodore.  Just remember, this
was a public conference, not a private developer's conference.  They intend
to follow through on all these projects.

					-Todd Allendorf
					toddal@cco.caltech.edu
From: ghazi@wizofhoz.uucp (Ozzie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Amiga 500 discontinued?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 00:03:35 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <zrawi01.715857264@indiaka> zrawi01@indiaka.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (J. Wiedmann) writes:
>In <Bu76Hu.3q1@tik.vtt.fi> Jan.Lucenius@tel.vtt.fi (Jan Lucenius) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know what is inside the 600s ? Is it the same computer as
>>500 in a smaller case (and thus with worse keyboard), or is it better
>>or worse ?
>
>It is still the same, except that it uses Kickstart 2.05 / Workbench 2.0,
>has the additional ability to supply ROM-Cards or RAM-Cards (those credit-card-
>like ones) and is produced im SMD-technology (but no more expansion-port!).

	Given enough time someone will find a simple way hacking an A500
edge-connector to the A600.  It's basicly the same, so it should be
possible to do it.  It's not that hard to remove any chip from a board, so
replacing the 68000 with a socket is possible and voila your VXL/MMR or
whatever go fast board is usable in the thing. Now you have a shrunk
A500, but with the advantage of ROM/Ram cards. If the keyboard bothers you
then take a look at all those keyboard hacks for the 1000/500 and it should
not be long before someone finds one to use the 2000/3000/IBM keyboards on
the 600. It really isn't as bad as it may look to some.

	In fact it opens a lot of doors to penny penchers that wasn't there
for the 500.

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From: larsa@edb.tih.no (Lars Joergen Aas,o92a)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Panasonic KX-P1124 printer.
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:22:18 GMT
Reply-To: larsa@edb.tih.no
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)

I have got a Panasonic KX-P1124 printer, but haven't found any printerdrivers that
fits it perfectly.  It can emulate Epson LQ-800 and IBM Proprinter X24, so I'll
probably have to get a printer-driver for one of those configurations.
Does anyone know where I can get one?

..and one last thing.  I can install a 32K ram-chip in it to be able to download fonts
to my printer.  Most 32K ram-chips have 16 pins, but this one should have 24 pins.
However, there are one kind of 32K ram-chips that have got 24 pins (nr. 6116  (2K*8)),
and I wonder if that is the chip I need.  What will happen to my printer if I install one,
and it isn't the right chip?  It is only a ram-chip anyway???

Lars Joergen Aas
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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: U4ia RELEIF FUND.   WE'RE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD SUPPORTERS
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:01:54 MDT
X-From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
X-Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.audio

X-Date: 5 Sep 92 15:57:18 MDT
X-Organization: Utah State University

   Do you like U4ia MODs?
   Have you impressed many I*M, or M*C owners with them?
   Would you like to see more of them?
   Would you like to keep one of the greatest Amiga assets of all time?
 
   How many modules has U4ia released _free_of_charge_ for
   everyones music pleasure?
 
   How often do you _personally_ listen to U4ia modules?
 
   The questions above can only (and should only) be answerd by you.
   Your music tastes are personal.
                                                                   
   However, if you answered possitively to any question above, we need you.
 
   Many of you have seen the article by U4ia.  For those of you who haven't,
   he is in need of your assistance.  Quite a while back, the old 1.2 
   Kickstart Amiga 500 that belongs to U4ia of Megawatts exploded, creating a
   huge nuclear blasts sending peices of Amiga motherboard accross the room.
   Ok, Ok, so that is an exageration.  Anyways, down to the point.
 
   U4ia NO LONGER HAS AN AMIGA!
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
   "What does this mean?" I hear people wispering behind their monitors.
   Well, it means that NO U4ia modules will ever be released...  unless
   we can scrounge up one!
 
   I have worked quite closely with Jim Young (U4ia) to set up the
   "U4ia RELEIF FUND"  This is a fund, hosted by myself and Jim, for
   people using U.S. currency to donate a simple dollar.  Just mail it to:

                        U4ia RELEIF FUND
                        1303 N.  400 E.  #5A
                        Logan, UT
                        84321
 
  Of course, larger funds will be accepted.  (I've donated a healthy $20...)
  All contributions will then be placed into the fund, and you will be
  e-mailed a thank you note, from me and probably from Jim as well.  So please
  include your e-mail address as well as your name and the dollar.
  
  After a sizable amount of money is collected ( ~ $200.00 ) the money will be
  cashed into an international money order and send to Jim himself.  Keep in
  mind that this fund is for U.S. currency only.  # sterling can be send to
  Jim personally.  It is just easier for American U4ia fans to send it to
  a fund.  It's hard to get an Internation M.O for less that a dollar.  :)

  So, please help him.  You've used his product for a while, now he needs you
  financial assistance.  Thank you for your support.  (Not to sound like a 
  beer commercial or something...)

  By the way, if you get two of these posts, one complete and one not, I'm
  sorry.  I accidently hit the ctrl-z.

  Thanks again,

   	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu

        (and I am sure that Jim, er ah.. U4ia of Megawatts thanks you, too.)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Request sources for an old Amiga game port
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:36:13 GMT


I have a old PD game for the Amiga called "conquest" which appears to
be a port from Unix.  I originally obtained this game in 1986 or 87,
in the days of AmigaDOS 1.1, before any accellerated Amigas (it only
works on a 68000).  It's a game where you discover, colonize, improve,
and defend planets in a sector of the galaxy, and you battle against
the computer doing the same thing.  You can spend your resources on
research for improving your technology, or building spaceships, or
planetary defenses.

I'd like to find out where this game originated, and obtain the
source, if anyone knows.  It's not the "conquest" at uunet, nor is it
similar to "xconq".  Thanks.
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:35:24 GMT

In article <Bu6DIw.L8H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjc28473@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Joseph Chmura) writes:
>guru@hotcity.COM (Darren Schroeder) writes:
>
>
>>Well, here is some *true* info, no rumors....
>
>>The AA Chipset IS a reality, highest resolution is 640x512x256 (Pal) and
>>640x480x256 (NTSC). These new chips willl *ONLY* go into the NEW Amigas and
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Huh?  So C= has decided to drop the SuperHire modes?
>I do not think so.

	He also claimed that it won't work with the old Amigas...this is not
necessarily true. Remember, the developers don't go out and buy new computers
every time some new chips come along with new software. The original Amiga
1000 was developed on some IBM system. I heard that the Mac II's were 
developed on Amiga systems. I am sure that CBM or a third party will support
AA chips on the A3000 and below. Until Friday, anything else is merely
a rumor and should be ignored.


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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 problems
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:54:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep13.130454.7670@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@thor.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.075420.7780@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>
>>	I am having some trouble with my new Amiga 4000. It doesn't run
>>some programs that ram on my A3000/16, such as Populous II, Deluxe Paint II,
>>Fighter Duel II, Leisure Suit Larry II, Where in the Hell is Carmen Sandiego?,
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Umm, I know this was a joke, but I would just like to point out that 
Fighter Duel Professional (it won't be called Fighter Duel II) *WILL* run
on the new 4000s.  Jaeger Software has had a 4000 for quite some time now and
made sure that FDPro will work with 4000/AGA/ADOS3.0

Jeff Hanna
From: z3kpw@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("Wheeler, Kevin")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: WHAT is THIS?! (bizarre error)
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:41:00 GMT

Argh.  The weirdest thing happened yesterday.  I was trying to connect an audio cable behind my Amiga setup and in the process I wiggled the monitor cable amongst the nest of cables.
The screen become "garbled" and the 'puter locked up, so I had to reboot.
Lo and behold, BOTH of the disks in my floppy drives had been corrupted!
I did a disk scan with XCopyPro and each disk had 1 bad block on it.

Later I tried to recover the files with FIx Disk v1.0 (the latest I have)
and it found and recovered every file but the OctaMED sequence I'd been working on for 4 days (argh!).  

So if anyone can please tell me a) what the hell happened
and b) a better utility to try and recover my file, I'd very much appreciate it.

I've had heaps of experience with Apple IIs, IBM PCs and Macintoshes for 10 years and nothing like this has ever happened.  Guess it is true, "Only Amiga makes it possible."  Argh.

Well, thanks.
Kevin Wheeler
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:53:31 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa

In article <1992Sep13.222350.19534@lth.se> d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.154259.22497@cco.caltech.edu> toddal@cco.caltech.edu (Todd Michael Allendorf) writes:
>>was a public conference, not a private developer's conference.  They intend
>>to follow through on all these projects.
>
>   Do they have the money? The developments mentioned must be quite
>costly, and C= is after all a small player in this business.

Small player?!  Hardly.  They're a billion-plus company.  Heck,
when they're still selling 700,000 64's per year (with absolutely
no development cost), they can afford to funnel some money into
the Amiga's R&D effort.  Say they are making 50 bucks on a 64,
that's 35 million dollars in the clear.  Then there is their
successful PC line.  And then there is their 500 and 600 series.
Again, they've already recouped their development cost for all
these machines.

No, I disagree.

Regards,
From: Neon@cup.portal.com (Anthony Joseph Bruder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Never got my registered lha !
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:23:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In an article 9/9/92 13:30 9/226 zxmoa01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
(Andreas Otte) writes:

> I send away a letter incl. cash to boberg (sweden) in march. No response !
>A bit frustrated i tried to reach him via e-mail ( 10 times) -> No response !
>Are there more users getting this kinda support from boberg ???

The author posted recently apologizing for the delay and stated
that all who registered and did not receive their registered versions yet
would get them shortly.

Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mrubino@engws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.001854.21763@cco.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>
>	Eggebrecht, who worked at IBM as a hardware guy
>before coming to Commodore, presented the future
>hardware goals of Commodore first.  First off was
>the low-end chipset.  He said it would be 2 chips
>with about 100K transistors.  As a comparison, the
>ECS uses 60K transistors and the AGA uses 80K
>transistors.  It would address 32-bit DRAM and have
>a 57MHz pixel clock.  It would be very much ECS and
>AGA compatible.  Eggebrecht said that backwards
>compatibility was very important for the low-end
>stuff.  You could have a 4MB floppy drive (he said
>"four megaBIT", but I think he meant byte), and 
>the chipset would support 32-bit processors.
>The memory bandwidth would be 8x what it is now,
>and 72Hz refresh rates are possible in some modes.
>He said it would be "easy" to do 2x the blitter
>performance and a 800x600x8 bit 72 Hz modes (!).
>The low-end chip set would support 16-bit truecolor,
>meaning you could have 65536 colors at once, and
>a FIFO'ed serial port would be part of it.  The
>FIFO will clear up a lot of present serial port
>problems present now.   Gee, I wouldn't mind
>having the low-end stuff now :).

[Lots of very exciting stuff deleted]

I'm glad to see that C= is finally advancing the AMIGA technology.  This
all looks VERY exciting.  My only problem with this is, where does the 4000
and AGA fit in?  It seems fairly obvious to me that this new and exciting
technology will be obsolete reletively soon.  So who would want to plunk down
$3700 for a 4000 with all of this new technology looming on the horizon?  Not
that I planned on buying a 4000.  I was not that impressed and looking at the
specs I knew that C= must have something else up their sleeve.  I just didn't
realize how BIG their sleeves have become.

C= is FINALLY getting it right!  I haven't been this excited about the AMIGA
since it first came out.  I just hope they HURRY!
From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:07:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.37902
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep9.201708.28964@cbnews.cb.att.com> itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
}
}So what exactly is the difference between SiliconMenus and Popup Menu?
}(I think it's called Popup Menu).  As far as I've been able to tell
}by the discussion they seem pretty much the same.  Though I have no
}idea if Popup Menu works with ToolsDeamon.....
}
}
}Rich...

I have used both Popup menu and ToolsDaemon (I forget which
versions) together for quite some time. I`ve never noticed a
problem.

Regards,
Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: amiga 500 discontinue
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:12:36 EST


RP>Let's say you buy a 600.  Then you decide "gee, a faster processor
RP>would be nice."  So you'll either have to ...

RP> Buy a new Amiga.
RP>or
RP> Get your 600 to a service center for upgrade.  But wait,
RP> there's no service center within a 100 miles?  Then you're screwed.

RP>At least with a 500 I can pop open the hood and add stuff without
RP>whipping out soldering iron.

RP>Irvine? Where's Irvine?                 Grad student at the


 Commodore has plans for an 030 accelerator card for the Amiga 600. There
are also a few third party companies working on designs for accelerators. 
These accelerators will plug into the PCMIA slot. This allows for easier
upgrading and cleaner upgrades. No more layering daughterboard after 
daughterboard the way you upgrade an Amiga 500. Commodore even has plans
for a 386 Bridgeboard for the Amiga 600. Unlike the Atonce which plugs into
the  CPU slot. This board plugs into the trapdoor! 
 
 The A600 with it's built in Harddrive and 1 meg chip expandable to 2 megs of
chip is already better then a stock A500. The low price of $600 US also blows
an A500 out of the water. 
 
 Not to mention the A600 is just as expandable. Just because they use surface
mounted chips does not mean it's not expandable. It just means developers
will design new boards for use with the A600. As for motherboard upgrades.
It's possible to upgrade an A600 buy unsoldering surface mounted chips. While
it's not something most people can do. There are a lot of places one could
take a motherboard to get the operation done!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: rmwhapham@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:33:10 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep9.121526.27883@nntp.hut.fi>, s36399s@taltta.hut.fi (Harri Holopainen) writes:
> I've had some strange lockups & gurus (81000000f and the like) since i installed
> siliconmenus. These don't seem to relate to any single application, but
> the gurus have happened always when either closing or opening a new
> window (quite rarely though). My friend reports enforcer hits every now
> and then.
> In addition to that, gadtoolsbox menus don't seem to work at all with SM
> (no gurus, they just do nothing), and the workbench menu item 'backdrop'
> seems to be the same way.
> I'm not junking SM yet, but soon will if the lockups become less rare.
> (which would be a shame, SM is great esp. on a 1000*1000 workbench)
> 
> --
> Harri Holopainen
> s36399s@taltta.hut.fi

EXACTLY!  So I'm not crazy.  I cleaned out all "extras" from my startup and 
still got errors with ToolsDaemon & SiliconMenus.  What WB are you running 
under?  I've been getting mail telling me that everyone else has gotten 
them to peacefully coexist under 2.04...but I'm running 2.1.  Hmmm...

R.W.
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