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From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:11:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: MSUS

In article <txd.714759837@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom
Dietrich) wrote:
> 
> dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT WILLIAM  M) writes:
> 
> >Great to see this new group!  After 8 long years of waiting (after I sold 
> >my '76 Sportster), I just bought a '79 Superglide basket case.  I am so
> >excited about building it, I can hardly stand it!  I will have LOTS of 
> 
> Bring money.....
> 
> >questions as I go:
> >      First: How much does chroming cost? My rocker covers need it. Is it
> >worth it to rechrome, or should I just buy new ones?....

	I have always questioned the virtues of chrome, especially on
	engines because 1) it always degenerates and rechroming is 
	expensive, it doesn't come out right unless its is stripped
	and it is environmentally destructive 2) it hinders heat
	dissipation and 3) esthetics -- bad imho. I polished my plain
	aluminum rockerboxes and kept them ultrabright quite easily.

	btw - the 79 Superglide never had chrome rockerboxes.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: hog@bnr.ca (Roger Seelaender)
Subject: re:Buying a Harley in the USA?
Reply-To: hog@brtph259@bnr.ca  
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 12:29:13 GMT

Freek, if you are looking for a nice used HD, make sure to
stop by at Ray Price HD in Raleigh, NC, when you are in the
state. I stopped by there last week and saw an all original
'80 FLH with only 10,000 miles on it. They are asking $10K
for it.
From: diki@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Wozniak)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Some Questions about HD Cycles...
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:16:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: well.Bts3vF.Mr8
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link



Questions about Harleys:

...done lots of motorcycling and lately have taken an interest in
HD's.  I've looked at lots of 'em at the local hang outs.  This new
newsgroup seems like a great place to get some questions
answered. Breaking the line up into components it seems like
there are some aspects that defy easy understanding  by one not
familiar with HD's.  Can the net help to educate me on some of
the finer points?

1.      Best Current Big Twin Frame Is....

Which Frame do you like best, the FXST, FXR or FXD?  Why?
How much is vibration a problem on the FXST?  How much is it
cured on the other two?

2.      Best Size Front Wheel Is...

Which size front wheel do you prefer?  The 21" looks cool, but
isn't it way shakey?  The 19" size featured on Sportsters, and most
FXR and FXD models looks the most "normal" to someone used
to other brands of bikes, the 16" front looks retro and slow, but
then they (16" of some type) have been used on road racing
machinery in recent memory.  (Not white walls though!)   Given
the same frame, what happens as you move from a 16" to a 19" to
a 21" front wheel?

3       Which set of forks works best on the FXST?

The  wide glide forks or the springer?  I  talked to two gentlemen
from NZ who were touring the USA on a pair of  Springers.  They
loved  them and said that they were much stiffer than the Wide
Glide style forks (unless you braced them).  Also more rugged?
How much of the difference between these models should be
attributed to the different rake rather than the different type of
fork?

4.      What makes for a good  go fast Harley?

Obviously Sportsters work well at this, which Big Twins get the
Job done.  What mods are required beyond engine hop ups?

5.      Of the current HD lineup, which is your overall favorite?


6.      Finally, to settle a long running discussion

Does rear suspension really slow you down on a Harley?    Are
hardtails the fastest?

Thanks in advance for your opinions.  I'm sure most readers of
this group would be interested in the responses so just go ahead
and post 'em.

and keep the sticky side down....
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: earlb@ssd.intel.com (Earl Brabandt)
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:51:46 GMT

In article <Stafford-260892091152@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>
>For the record, this is not an inherent problem with belts.  I've been
>running a Karata primary belt on a Big Twin for over 11 years.  No
>problems.

I'm looking at Harleys after years of riding (and roadracing) riceburners.
I'm interested in belt vs. chain issues.  How long does a belt usually
last?  Are they expensive compared to chains?  Should the sprockets be
replaced every time you replace the belt just like chain sprockets should be
replaced any time you replace a chain due to stretch?  I'm real familiar and
comfortable with chains.  Anyone care to give some testimony on belts?

Earl

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts)
Subject: Re: I want one!
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:59:03 GMT
	<txd.714759677@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>
	<1992Aug25.100631.355@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Nazi Right-Wing Parenting Monthly

bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
% txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
%> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
%>> [and no snide remarks from you fatboys!]
%> Careful...
% very...

Or as it should read, "not very."

%> 			   '72 1000cc Sportster
% 
% he also has a pink SUZUKI concours which seems to have been left out
% because it might tarnish his image in these here parts.

It seems mr. pasker thinks "all them jap bikes look alike".

SUZUKI?  Try Kawasaki, "bmw bob".

-Patrick "All them bimmers look alike."
--
Why would you want a 1-line sig, Paul?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: FXR Opinions
Keywords: Harley, FXR
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.211956.16835@access.usask.ca> speiser@skorpio.usask.ca (SED's Russ Speiser) writes:
+  I've got a '77 Sportser 1000 and have been dreaming about owning one of the
+newer big twins for a while now.
+
+  I'm wondering what FXR owners (FXRT, FXRS, FXRC, etc.) think of these 
+bikes.  My local Harley dealer swears by them and has never personally owned
+anything else since they came out.  Others have shrugged them off as looking
+Un-Harleylike (??!?).

Harley makes about 20 different models precisely because different
people want different things in a Harley.  The FXR series has been
called an Engineer's bike because it appeals to engineering types
(as well as others).  Personally, I like my FXLR cause it handles
very well (for a Big Twin), small enought to lane split and use around
town, yet comy enough for all day riding.  I chose the FXLR (as opposed
to the other FXRs) cause I got a bike with lots of chrome without having
to spend another fortune after I just bought a bike.

____________________________________________________________________________
		You're never too old to become younger
			-- Mae West
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 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:13:30 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Disorganized Organization

shirl decided that voting for r.m.h was a mistake and threated (in
response to my private message) to unsubscribe.  we can only hope...


-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:42:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.231831.9220@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
> >It's not an '85, but someone may be interested.  From the Northwest Jersey
> >HOG Newsletter:
> >
> >FOR SALE:
> >1957 HARLEY ROADSTER -- Will negotiate
> >Call Ed 201-540-9569
> 
>         There is no such thing as a 1957 XLS.  XLS years were '79-'85.  I had
> an '82 that lunched it's tranny (apparently a common thing with Iron
> Sportsters).

I double checked what I typed against the ad in our newsletter.  It says
"1957 HARLEY ROADSTER" and says nothing about being an XLS.  I don't that
Ed or that bike.

Seth Zirin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rich@devnet.la.locus.com (Rich Silva)
Subject: Classic Harley Buzz...
Reply-To: rich@locus.com
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:23:37 GMT

    I've tried riding Harley's in the past, and for the most part,
    like the looks of them, the sound of them.  BUT, every time
    I ride one, my lower back goes numb.  My wife has ridden
    with me on occasion, and her back starts to give her great
    pain...  We have attributed most of this to the low
    frequency vibration "classic" with Harley's.  The models
    I remember were the Fat Bob and the Wide Glide.  There
    were a few Sportsters in there too, but I neither remember
    the specific model nor the year...

    Are there any of the new models that are "smoother"?

    PS, Hey Avatar, you lookin at this group? I havent seen
    a post from you yet?


-- 
Rich Silva
Locus Computing Corporation		   rich@LOCUS.COM
		  {uunet,ucivax,trwrb}!lcc!rich
       {randvax,ucbvax,trwspp}!ucla-se!lcc!rich
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Our New Group
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:38:50 GMT
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni

In article <1992Aug26.143928.18783@informix.com> dboyd@informix.com writes:
+
+How cool, we finally got it. Am I really the first to post here!!

Yours is the 75th post at our site.  When a group gets created,
the creation notice (?) gets propagated everywhere... and this 
may take some time.... so some places will get added sooner than
others.  As sites get added, more readers (& writers) will join
in.

____________________________________________________________________________
	You're never too old to become younger -- Mae West
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 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer
Reply-To: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:09:01 GMT


In a previous article, crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom) says:

>If I don't crab too much about price (it's not my money anyway) what
>level of other goodies can I expect to extort from the dealer? What 
>should I go for?  toolkit? (why aren't they standard?), lock? (are HD
>locks good enough?), cover?, some spiffy socks? (yeah sure.), etc???

1.  Expect to extort no level of other goodies from the rotten son-
    of-a-bitch dealer.

2.  Get a fork lock (yes, the H-D is a Master so don't be lulled into
    the H-D logo; one from your local hardware store will be as good).

3.  I bought a Kryptonite cable lock in addition to the fork lock.
    Pain in the ass to put on but coils great (fits nicely into the
    saddlebag) and gives great peace of mind.

4.  Don't add the toolkit holder; they'll vibrate the tools and your
    head to death.  I like building my own set, wrapping them in old
    socks, underwear, or your wife's pantyhose (basically, whatever
    pleases you), and setting them inside the saddlebag.  You can
    also get a windshield or sissy-bar bag to hold these.  I got the
    tachometer kit so no room for a windshield bag.

5.  Other items:  Consider new pipes.  The H-D stock set looks bad
    (IMHO) because of the crossover, sounds bad (H-D has to comply
    with EPA noise regs), and limits performance (puts a drag on 
    your EVO because they don't breath too well).  I upgraded to
    a set of 2-into-1 from CCI (about $166.00).  Next, consider
    a high flow air cleaner kit -- again, the H-D stock model is
    too restrictive.  I also added the ignition module (not that
    I ride past 5,000 rpm, just that you get a better spark at
    low rpms than the stock module).  The rest is preference.

	Consider engine gaurds, highway pegs, cushion grips,
	visors for the headlamps, turnsignals, etc., mudflaps,
	oil cooler kit, ....

The list goes on!
-- 
Ron Moritz (rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu)
Associate Director / Information Technology
Case Western Reserve University
DoD #1992
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:01:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.221350.3286@sequent.com> stm@sequent.com (Scott "Worf" MacQuarrie) writes:
+It's good to see this group finally show up.

Seconded.  It may be a little while before it propagates.  BTW, your article
was the first at my site: congratulations.

I think that I'll pull up a little stool over there by the corner
next to the fireplace, take a cup of hot toddy, put my feet up
and join in the many interesting discussions that are yet to come.

As you walk in the door, let me offer you kmy outstretched hand,
say "Welcome in", and tell you to have a seat wherever you feel
comfortable.  Going to a a long stay full of interesting adventures.
I can feel good vibes already.  (And there are no better vibes
than the vibes from a Harley engine!).

Thanks to everyone who voted "yes".  And especial thanks to those that
had the patience to stick through the news.groups discussions.  It
had to be tough arguing with the intransient.

How about keeping the general motorcycle stuff and silliness and DoD
stuff in the "other" group so that those that came here for Harley
talk can get what they want.

How about ignoring the Harley detractors that will wander in here
from time to time?  I suspect some will come to bait us.  Like an
obscene phone call, the best thing is to probably ignore it.  Other-
wise we will just be feeding them and they will stick around and the
new group will degrade into a shouting match.

Those are suggestions.  It is not my group, it is ours.  If anyone
doesn't like these suggestions, please speak up so that we may
discuss them.  I won't be insulted if you disagree!

____________________________________________________________________________
	    So many restaurants, so little time!
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 Paul D. Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: hog@bnr.ca (Roger Seelaender)
Subject: Question on backfiring ???
Reply-To: hog@brtph259@bnr.ca  
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:38:50 GMT

Could someone please give me some hints on what to look for
with the following problem I have been having with my 85 FXWG
lately. When I come down off the throttle from high RPM's, just
letting of the gas and not pulling the clutch, I am starting
to get quite a bit of backfiring out of both cylinders. I have
already replaced the plugs (old ones did not look bad) and 
cleaned the carb. Please post replies here. Thanks.

Roger Seelaender
'85 FXWG ( YUK to rubber mounts)
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
Keywords: $$$ ???
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:34:14 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

'79 FXE...great choice...especially a stroker...mine's a '79 FXE 98ci. Name's
Lucinda.

Re: rockers

You can buy aftermarket rocker boxes but the cheap ones are no better than the
early HD
shovel rockers. They are sand cast, and as with all sand cast parts you take
your
chances with chrome. You can end up with shiny chrome rocker boxes full of pits
and
holes. The later rocker boxes were pressure cast, as are the GMI aftermarket
units. They
should chrome up beautifully. Plan on $75/set for chrome.

Re: powdercoat

My frame, swingarm, skid plate, tranny plate, and a few frame bolt-ons are all
powercoated.
It was less expensive than paint or chrome, $180 for all 8 or so pieces. It is
very durable and
looks great. Beware, there are a lot of people in this biz out to make a quick
buck who don't
know what they're doing. They put the paint on too thick, bake it at too high a
temp, etc which
causes chipping and cracking. I used a local (RI) industrial powdercoating
firm.

Re: lower end rebuild

Figure on at least $200 labor and some machining costs. If you've already got a
4 3/4" S&S
kit, why does it need work? Any decent stroker job would have new bearings,
rebuilt or
new rods, and all the machining as part of the package. If it's not making noise
then I wouldn't
mess with it.

Have fun smoking those Evos,

CdH
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: krl@niksula.hut.fi (Keijo L{nsikunnas)
Subject: Springer front
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:27:48


Couple of weeks ago I saw a panhead (late 50's or early 60's) with a
brand new springer (the same kind that is used in softtails). The
question: is it available in one piece or do you have to build it from
'scratch'? If it is available I would also appreciate hearing the
price.


--
** Keijo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
Keywords: $$$ ???
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:00:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.022857.7035@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT WILLIAM  M) writes:
+...
+      First: How much does chroming cost? My rocker covers need it. Is it
+worth it to rechrome, or should I just buy new ones?

This won't help your particular case, but may be of general interest.
There is a third option.  Some shops have a chrome exchange.  It is always
cheaper to chrome/re-chrome a part than to buy a chromed one.  For those
with running bikes, the problem of chroming is that your bike is down 
while waiting for the work to be done.  A chrome exchange will take your
old part and exchange it for a chromed old part that belonged to someone else.
Your part then gets sent out to be chromed for the next guy.  This is more
expensive than sending your part to the chrome shop, but faster.

____________________________________________________________________________
	    So many restaurants, so little time!
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 Paul D. Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
Keywords: $$$ ???
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.043856.903@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
+	Caveat:  chromed parts hold heat.  They hold a LOT of heat.  I was
+admonished by a friend of mine who has chromed rocker covers on his Super
+Glide to not chrome mine--just polish the shit out of them.  If you do chrome,
+make damn sure to install an oil cooler--you're bike will need it.

I have chrome rocker covers and no oil cooler.  I even ride through the
desert ocassionally with no problem (other than I get thirsty & sweaty :-).

There is an aftermarket company that makes finned chromed rocker
covers for those that have a problem with this.

____________________________________________________________________________
	You're never too old to become younger -- Mae West
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 16:52:45 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Waving!
	<1992Sep1.135415.24236@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>

shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) sez:

>Bikers and motorcyclists are INDIVIDUALS.  Different areas have different
>customs.  People have different moods on different days.  There are
>no rules with the waving issue.
> 
>- Roid

Yes there are, Roid.  You will wave when you are told to wave.  Get it?

-peter
From: DHANSEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: apropos: Harley means...
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:12:40 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep2.180027.15146@rtsg.mot.com>
svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>I have a question about the Dyna-Glide chassis.  What exactly is different
>about it, and what does the new technology accomplish?  Stiffness, engine
>isolation, marketing?  What?  (All the mags I read rave about it, but they
>only say "better", not how much better, or why better.)
>
The Dyna chassis was developed using CAD.  It uses a 2 point mounting system
to isolate the motor/driveline from the frame.  It accomplishes this while
still maintaining a good degree of chassis stiffness/driveline alignment by
employing a 2 mount system that provides compliance in vertical & fore/aft
planes yet limits lateral movement.  The compliance provided is designed
to coincide with the harmonics of the engine, hence providing maximum
dampening at prescribed engine speeds while still allowing the charactor-
istic H-D vibes to occur at the points of operation when said vibes are
considered to be desirable.  In short, it still vibrates & shakes, but
smooths out when cookin' down the hiway, or in other words, it's still
a Harley, but it won't bloody yer eyeballs after a long day in the saddle.

Best a both worlds, eh?

Dave Hansen   -   91 FXRS  (14 months & 19,550 miles)
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:38:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Aug26.192759.557044@locus.com>, rich@devnet.la.locus.com
(Rich Silva) wrote:
> 
> In article <keauxdK0hXua8DnGpC@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
> |> 
> |> Two f***in' days and Jap crap has already infiltrated this bboard.
> |> 
> |> Sickening!!
> 
> Why dont we leave the snobbery and the everlasting religious battle
> between Harley owners and YamaHondaSaki owners out of this group.  Wouldnt
> it be deligtful to have a news group without Flame Wars and Name calling?
> 
> Sigh...
> 
> -- 
> Rich Silva
> Locus Computing Corporation		   rich@LOCUS.COM
> 		  {uunet,ucivax,trwrb}!lcc!rich
>        {randvax,ucbvax,trwspp}!ucla-se!lcc!rich

What he said. 
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
Krups Coffee Grinder     1990, "Noisy Bugger"
========