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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A1200 - 68020EC ??
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:11:22 GMT

In article <1gam43INNfuj@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
writes:

>>>What does the 'EC' in 68020 mean for the Amiga A1200.
>>No MMU.

>Actually, while true, that isn't what they moved.  The 68020 has never
>had a built in memory-management unit.  It has always been external in
>the form of a 68851.

Ah right, <slap> :).

>No, with the 68EC020, the only difference is the packaging and a loss
>of some pins:  Let me explain.

>The 68EC020 has a 32-bit dataspace, and operates in 32-bits.  They
>have removed 16-bits of dataspace, though it still operates in
>32-bits.  So while everything is the same as the 68020, the 68EC020 is
>limited to a 16-megabyte address space.
>
>Make sense?  Thought so.  :)

Got it!

>>Expense. The EC020 is quite suitable for an entry-level machine and
>>most people will not be inclined to run Unix or virtual memory on
>>such a machine. The alternative is another 68000. Don't give them any
>>ideas :).

>Well, actually, I do believe that the EC020 is around for embedded
>control applications.  You know, 68EC020, 68020 for Embedded Control?
>;)

Good acronym, although I'd imagine most people will suspect it means
EConomy model :).
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 8372A vs. 8375 (hello LSI-guys)
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:45:13 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Bz7E7p.Ho@cs.dal.ca> hart@ug.cs.dal.ca (Todd Darrell Raymond Hart) writes:
> Well I upgraded my 500 to 1meg chip ram... I asked for the 8372A and got a
> 8375.  I was told they were identical, just a name change.  Well I went home
> and installed the thing in my machine.  It works just fine!!!  If there is
> a difference in the pin-outs then they must reconfigure :)

They are essentially the same chip, with the bonding pads re-arranged
slightly to optimize things for the A500+/A600 bondout.  There are
multiple bond-outs possible for either chip, though I think that the
8375 has only been bonded out per the A500+/A600 versions (PAL, NTSC)
hough there are 8372's in all possible versions.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: A4000 QC problems?
Reply-To: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:09:08 GMT

In article 07ng@myamy.hacktic.nl, Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.114117.21530@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) 

> > Mine also sucks the air into the case. I haven't noticed it getting too hot,
> > but it's warm. Would it be easy to "turn" it around?  Is it something the 
> > dealer I bought it from can do or do they have to send it in? (= be away from
> > my darling for several days :-(
> 
> Join the club. :-) Well, I've been told by a very knowledgable guy <g>
> that it is just a question of removing the two screws on the PSU, then
> removeing a little flap and opening it up. You can then just unscrew the

"Removeing the little flap..." You make it sound so easy. 
This weekend I got real mad and opened the thing and had the PSU in my 
hands. Removed the two screws *BUT* -- How in the world do you open 
it?  Some very weird design of the plates around the PSU resulted in 
I had to give up <blush...> 

> -- 
> Paul Kolenbrander  \ InterNet: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl
> Turfveldenstraat 37 \ Fido: 2:284/114.3 Paul Kolenbrander
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/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: RTG? And Graphics Cards???
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:34:37 GMT

In article <37805@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>I ran into all kinds of boards running Workbench while at the World of
>Commodore show in Frankfurt. This "oMniBus" card I came back with was one.
>This is actually just a bus converting bridgecard kind of thing with a
>programmable video switch. The software drives a VGA card over the Zorro II
>bus, and it's reasonably smart about getting out of the way for Amiga screens
>(thus the switch). 

Interesting approach. Does the card then incorporate the TSENG chipset,
or does the oMniBus card require an additional AT VGA card (similar to the
case with Golden Gate Bridge)? Any idea as to the MSRP?

Also, is the performance quite reasonable under this strategy?
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1960 question
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:39:09 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <ig6ZVB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, vidiot@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Rankin Eric) writes:
> I  just purchased a 1960 monitor.  I'm having a few problems with it.
> 
> There is a switch on the monitor labeled WIDTH.  I prefer the ADD setting 
> to increase the horizontal display.  The screen, however, gets 
> significantly dimmer when I do this.  Is this normal?  I have to just 
> about max out brightness and contrast to compensate.

	Mine does this too.  You need about 10 more to declare normal.
> 
> Also, I sometimes have a wave-like shimmering in PARTS of the display 
> when i'm set the width to ADD.

	I get shimmering periodically.  Some one suggested EMI.  I believe
	this could be true.  I have a VCR about 3 inches above the monitor
	and the shimmering get worse when it's on.
> 
> In case it matters, I have an Amiga 3000 with deinterlacer on (of course) 
> and I have the V-SIZE set to Manual (so I can adjust the screen to get 
> rid of that annoying 1/2 line flicker at the top :-)

	Haven't seen the 1/2 line flicker.

> 
> I just bought it new and can return it if there is a problem or now way 
> for me to take care of it myself, so I would really appreciate any prompt 
> replies.  I would appreciate E-Mail as its difficult for me to check this 
> group frequently.

	My personal opinions is that the 1960 is way over priced and I 
	would not have bought it except you need the 15khz sync on an
	Amiga.  I hope Commodore or a third party does something about
	this real soon, especially with the A1200 coming out.  Could you
	imagine people spending $700 for a A1200 and another $600 for
	the piece-of-junk 1960?
> 
> Thanks!
>   Eric
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: High density drives
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:32:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If you want Very High Density floppies, why not just go to the floptical?
21 Mbs is a bit better than 4 mbs.  I think the smaller sizes will start
to disappear as the 21 MB, and larger size 3.5 inch disks become more
common.
From: shogun@tension.UUCP (Jay Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: What about Amiga sound chip improvements?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:32:25 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Dec17.153550.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, traynor@fnalf.fnal.gov writes:
>Hi--
>
>I've heard all sorts of facts and figures about the new AGA chipset and the
>4000/1200.  I know there are new graphics chips, but I've heard nothing 
>about improvements in the sound.  Furher, I've heard about Commodore's
>plans for new chips in the future--but I don't know if they include 
>sound imporvements.  Does anyone know what Commodore is doing to 
>improve sound?  If they are doing something, should I just wait until 
>94 or so when the new computers with new chips are released?
>
>Thanks much.
>
>                                       -Mike Traynor
>
>NNN  NN DDDD    Mike Traynor (ND '86)(Rice '93?) |||     Amiga 500 owner   ///
> N N N   D  D   Fermilab PO Box 500 MS 221 E683  |||     w/MMR 13 Meg RAM ///
> N  NN   D  D   Batavia IL, 60510               //|\\    190 Meg HD   \\\/// 
>NN   NN DDDD    (708) 879-6095 [ans. mach.]    /// \\\   14.4Kbps modem\XX/
>
        I have heard that sometime in '93 they will release the dsp.  This is
C= we're talking about though.  I heard about the A3000 two years befor it was
released.
                        Jay Brown

==============================================================================
IBM MAKES IT IN BULK...MACINTOSH MAKES IT POPULAR, BUT ONLY AMIGA MAKES IT     
                           POSSIBLE.
==============================================================================
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: second SCSI controller
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:53:19 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

 
I'm planning sometime in the future to buy an A4000.  However, I am also
planning to add a 2nd SCSI drive to the A3000.  If I buy the A3090 SCSI
controller when it comes out along with the 2nd scsi drive, will I be able to
use it alongside the SCSI controller already on the A3000?  Will the drive
reside on a different DMA channel(for example could I use the smaller drive as
a VM drive with GigaMem, and the main drive as a regular disk, and not wind up
with massive DMA contention)?
 
John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock)
Subject: Re: That little half-line of flicker on my A3000
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:52:40 GMT

In article <Bz9MFD.3uG@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <Bz9HpJ.CLB@unix.portal.com> danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock) writes:
>>In article <1giefkINNln3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jayscott@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason Scott Anderson) writes:
>>>
>>>   Okay, I've been pretty patient with my computer for some time now with
>>>regard to that half a line that flickers on my Amiga 3000 screen...but I'd
>>>really like to find out if there's anything that I can do about it.  I
>>>think I remember hearing that there was a program or something which could
>>>take care of it, but I'm really not sure.  Is this just my monitor, or is
>>>it just a "side effect" of the Amber?
>>
>>It's an Amber bug. QMouse (fish 731) will blank the top line of the display
>>to eliminate the effect.
>
>   Two people mentioned that QMouse will blank the top line to eliminate the
>flicker.  But on my machine, under AmigaOS 2.1, that feature of QMouse 
>blanks the WHOLE DISPLAY and not just the top line.  Is there a new version
>with this little bug fixed?

Ahem, that's why I mentioned *Fish 731* above. The original version was not
compatible with overscan.

Dan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: cassirer@puzzler.rtp.dg.com (Fred Cassirer)
Subject: 2286 BB, PCDISK and WB2.0
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:42:45 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation

I just installed a 286 BB in my A3000 and everything seems to work except that
the program PCDISK doesn't run correctly.

If I boot from the 1.3 installation disk (WB 1.3/KS 2.0) PCDISK seems to work ok,
but when I boot my normal system, I start PCDISK from s:startup-sequence (after
the Binddrivers is done) and this shows up in a Status command but trying an
AWRITE from the pc side complains that the PCDISK server needs to be run.

I had some problems early on because I was using the SKSH JM program and this
seems to cause the PC MONO/PC COLOR programs to hang.  Once I stopped running this
the pc window came up and everything was fine.  In order to eliminate any possible
conflicts I may have caused, I commented out the user-startup call from 
startup-sequence and ran PCDISK by hand, the same problem still occurs.

The Janus software is pre A3000 from 1989, has there been any updates for wb 2.0?


Thanx in advance.

-Fred Cassirer
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: queue@iastate.edu (Rob Ludwick)
Subject: Re: A simple query: Imagewriter II -> Amiga Cable?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:38:03 GMT

In <71244@cup.portal.com> Dan_E_Babcock@cup.portal.com writes:

>>control was not reliable.  According to the 1.3 doc, the switch settings
>>should be set for hardware flow control rather than XON/XOFF, but when I
>>set the switches that way and changed from XON/XOFF to RTS/CTS protocol
>>in preferences I was unable to get the printer to go.
>>Looking at the Imagewriter manual, it looks like DTR and DSR are sent to
>>the cable, which I guess should end up at the RTS/CTS pins????

>XON/XOFF -should- work fine, and is generally the preferred handshake
>method for printers (unlike modems). As you noticed, printers don't agree
>on using RTS/CTS, so you may have to make a custom cable. (Don't ask me how
>:-)).

>Dan

The connections for the rs-232 to 8-pin-mini-din connector can be found in
the imagewriter II manual (I know, cause I made one), but they are really
only using 5 pins out of the rs-232 port with one wire jumpered across two
others.  If the cable you have is like the one I made, don't feel bad,
I couldn't get RTS/CTS handshaking to work properly either.

I was having the same lack of control on the imagewriter that you had.  I
was going to try changing the baud rate to 4800, when my computer died,
my reason being if you tried a lower baud rate you should get less characters
dropping.  Go ahead and try this, and let me know (via e-mail) if this worked.

Rob  (who doesn't know -MB-)
-- 
Rob Ludwick           \   
queue@iastate.edu      \  "Blow me.... A kiss..."
Treasurer               \  	-- Qory Hodenfield
Iowa State Juggling Club \
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 SCSI-II Zorro-III card.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:26:44 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec2.023811.2490@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:
>Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:

>>It's called the 'FastLane Z3' card and is made by Advanced Systems
>>& Software of Frankfurt, Germany. Here are some of the specs:

>>- Asynchronous Host/SCSI interface with speeds upto 20MB/sec

That means "Zorro III bus throughput".  It has nothing to do with the SCSI
speed.

>>- Upto 7MB/sec asynchronous transfer on SCSI bus.
>>- Upto 10MB/sec synchronous transfer on SCSI bus.

Both of those imply standard SCSI-2 eight bit transfers, the latter being Fast
Synchronous.

>Well this does look good.  And looks to be some big competition for C=.

The SCSI specs, as given, are basically the same as for the C= board.  We'll
have to see how they differ in practice.  The C= board doesn't have DRAM
on it.

>Now for the next part that is interesting.  Able to support cdtv format?
>Have they emulated the cdtv roms, such that they can do cdxl with it?
>That had held back other controllers to be a real cdtv before.  And
>does that mean you won't need to have to run a special filing system
>driver from Xetec for the cdrom filing system.

You'll always have to run some ISO-compatible filesystem to read CD-ROM/CDTV
disks -- they aren't written in Amiga FFS or OFS, which is all your system ROM
knows about.  If these folks are including one of these with their board, 
that's certainly a good thing but no great bit of magic.  I think other CDTV
features depend more on the CDROM drive than the SCSI interface.

-- 
Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"
From: ianm@icsbelf.co.uk (Ian Moran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Multisynch
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:17 GMT
Organization: ICS Computing Group Ltd., Belfast
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hello folks

The time has come to buy a Multisynch monitor for my 2000. Bearing in
mind a flicker fixer will come later can I have some recommendations
as to suitable models. I would wish this monitor to be useful in all Amiga
screen modes old and new as well as being usable on a PC should I (eek) ever
decide to buy one.

For example, I was looking at the technical spec for a Panasonic PanaSync
C1381. Horizontal scan rate is 30-37 Khz. Am I correct in assuming that
this is useless with the Amiga since it cannot synch down to 15Khz and in
fact would only be usable in conjunction with a flicker fixer.

I currently use a 1084 and would be looking for a display visibly superior
without the immediate need to fit a flicker fixer device.

Thanks in advance

 Ian


--

Ian Moran                    Internet:  ianm@icsbelf.co.uk
ICS Computing Group Ltd.                imoran@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From: erd@kumiss.cmhnet.org (Ethan Dicks)
Subject: Re: Help with Spirt Ram board what pal for jumper 1&2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:16:55 EDT
Organization: Not an Organization

jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:
: > I need some help getting a Spirt 1000 ram expansion set up I bought.
: > Namely, what pal and in what manner do the jumper1 and jumper2 connect
: > to?  Thanks...
: 
: So are there any spirt owners out there or not?  The guy I bought this
: board from didn't send me the manual.  help...

The only manual I ever saw was on disk.  See if the guy has the disk for
his Spirit InBoard.

BTW, I heard that Spirit went belly up a while back.  Is this true?

-ethan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: 3-Button Mouse Questions
    <168BCB13E.WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU> <lin1skINNlvg@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: University of Keentookey
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:58:32 GMT

In article <lin1skINNlvg@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>
bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer) writes:
 
>In article <168BCB13E.WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU> WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>=-
>=-I WOULD like to know how to use the middle button for Snap, but no biggie..
>=-(I don't use the middle button..  I just liked the feel of the mouse.. :)
>=-
>
>It's pretty easy to recompile Snap to use the middle button.  Just replace all
>occurrences of RMB with MMB in the handler code.
 
 
Is there any way to do it externally?  There is the option of using the
middle button as a qualifier, rather than a key, but when the middle
button was selected for use, I couldn't get snap to snap anything..
 
Maybe I missed something.. :)  I dunno what version I have, I'm at
a friend's house...
 
Thanks.. :)
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 2286 BB, PCDISK and W
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:37:53 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <Gene_Ruebsamen.01iw@republik.fidonet.org>, Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen) writes:
> Yes, there is new Janus version 2.1 software for the BridgeBoard! Its
> Excellent, and I HIGHLY recommend upgrading.. its not too expensive, and
> makes installation a snap with the Commodore supplied Install program..
> It does away with PCDisk, and since its no longer needed, it makes things
> all the eaiser..

	How did you get this upgrade?  I have being having my C= dealer try
	for weeks and so far nothing.  He says he has been talking to a rep
	a C= who is trying to find one and the cost.
> 
>  * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] *
> 
> -- Via DlgQWK v0.63b
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Adding second floppy in A3000(T)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:08:28 GMT
Organization: Fred's Lounge


I just got an A3000T-040 and a second internal HD floppy which I
have installed in the system but which is not working correctly.  I
suspect that there is a jumper I must change to change the name of
the drive (df1 vs. df0).  Here's the story:

I mounted the drive and plugged in the power and data lines and
started the system up - neither drive was able to be accessed. If I
disconnected the second drive, the original drive worked fine.  If
I disconnected the original drive, the new drive worked fine as
df0:.  I received no techincal information with the new unit. Is
there a name-change jumper I need to modify? If so, where? If not,
what should I do?

Thanks,
Scot
sjk@emx.cc.utexas.edu
sjk@astro.as.utexas.edu
From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 QC problems?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:19:31 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
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In article <1992Dec10.114117.21530@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
> In article 07df@myamy.hacktic.nl, Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
> > Well, mine sucks and when the fan runs, she doesn't get hot either. I've
> > left her on for quite some hours in the beginning just to check for heat
> > buildup... BTW Does you fan always start? 
> > CYa, Paul
> 
> Mine also sucks the air into the case. I haven't noticed it getting too hot,
> but it's warm. Would it be easy to "turn" it around?  Is it something the 
> dealer I bought it from can do or do they have to send it in? (= be away from
> my darling for several days :-(

Join the club. :-) Well, I've been told by a very knowledgable guy <g>
that it is just a question of removing the two screws on the PSU, then
removeing a little flap and opening it up. You can then just unscrew the
fan and place it back the other way. This WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY for
sure! ;-( I've convinced my dealer to go and ask 'm about getting some
replacement PSU's. Because exchanging that PSU IS a piece of cake... I
could do it myself in about 10 to 15 minutes... 

> / Tomas Pihl
> / ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden
> / email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se

CYa, Paul

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: quandt@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: hard disk crash
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:44:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla