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From: lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Italy available in game pillbug
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:22:22
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
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I have been playing Italy in game pillbug on the judge at
u.washington.edu.  For various reasons, I have had to resign.  I
woulod appreciate it if someone would take over my position so that
the game can go on essentially uninterrupted.  There is a break now,
so anyone who comes in will have a couple of weeks to check things
out.  Italy is in a very good position, with control of the
Mediterranean, 9 centers, and Turkey eliminated.
--
-B. A. Lotto
Department of Mathematics/Lake Forest College/Lake Forest IL 60045
708-735-5159
lotto@math.berkeley.edu
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From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Disappearance of "Hornet"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:34:22 GMT

In article <DIPL-L%92122114244576@MITVMA.BITNET> "PLUTO::DELEMOSM" <DELEMOSM%PLUTO.decnet@APRINT.DHMC.DARTMOUTH.EDU> from DIPL-L writes:
>Help!
>My game has disappeared.  I signed up for game "hornet" on the eff judge last
>Thursday (maybe it was Friday...).  I received a message today that indicated
>that the game moderator had resigned, and when I sent a "list hornet" command
>to the judge, I was advised that my game did not exist.  Does anyone have an
>idea how I can find out what happened to my game?  Better yet, does anybody
>know what happened to my game?  It was my first attempt to sign on to a game,
>and I must admit, it makes me feel a little unwanted.

David Kovar (jdr@morrolan.eff.org), runs the EFF judge, and has
a rule that says that all games on the judge must remain moderated.  I
hoped he would answer this one, but perhaps he is not getting DIPL-L.

He has been routinely wiping all non-moderated games from his judge, in
order to maintain this rule.  The rule is in place, as unmoderated
games, and moderated without a moderator games, inevitably mean extra
work for the judge keeper (jdr), as he must end up being the moderator.
The jdr has enough work to do.

I believe that David has suspended creation of ANY games now at EFF until
after the holidays.

Nick

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Judges go down?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:10:37 GMT

Do the judges go down now and then to process moves?  I arrived at work
today around 2 am, processed some commands, then tried to do some more and
the EFF judge stopped replying.  A while later, the Washington judge did
too.  Neither is replying now.  Are they down?
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Judge Openings
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:03:38 GMT

Just when I'm getting ready to change the comments on my games to something
more informative, Rick goes and posts an openings list with the old comments
still attached... (grin)

Rick Desper (desper@math.rutgers.edu) writes:

> The EFJudge: judge@morrolan.eff.org                                    
>            For more information on the EFF, mail eff@eff.org.
>
> Name      Phase    Variant/Options
> -------   ------   ---------------
> [snip]
> compress  S1901M   Standard, Gunboat, 48 hrs, Moderated (Irilyth).
>            Just like standard, but anonymous. list compress for more info.
>                      Forming: 5 more players needed.
> impress   S1901M   Standard, Gunboat, Moderated (Irilyth).
>            Just like standard, but anonymous. list impress for more info.
>                      Forming: 6 more players needed.
> express   S1901M   Standard, Gunboat, 24 hrs, Moderated (Irilyth).
>            Just like standard, but anonymous. list express for more info.
>                      Forming: 3 more players needed.

To provide a little more detail on these games: despite the marginally
accurate "gunboat" label, all three games are effectively standard
Diplomacy: they all allow partial press, i.e. individual communication
between players. The only difference from standard is that you don't know
who the other players are in real life. So, don't sign up for these games if
you wan't a no-press game, or a public-press only game: these games do allow
partial (yes, even though the settings display you get from a LIST doesn't
explicitly mention that fact), so don't sign up and then be surprised.

As to the differences: compress is a normal M-F 48-hour game; a little
faster than normal, but nothing to write home about. impress is a game for
advanced players only, and is at a normal 72-hour pace. express is for the
truly hyperactive in the crowd: 24-hour deadlines, 24-hour grace, weekend
processing. Do a LIST EXPRESS and read my admonitions there before joining
this game.

By the way, thanks to Rick for posting this list! (To Sean Starkey as well,
who also posts such lists periodically.)
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"I guess we were all guilty, in a way. We all shot him, we all skinned him,
and we all got a complimentary bumper sticker that said 'I helped skin Bob.'"
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Yet another replacement Russia needed
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 21:27:33 GMT

The fleet_rome variant game "chocolat" on the EFF Judge needs ANOTHER
Russia.  We posted saying we needed a Russia and some guy came along,
signed on, send out a broadcast saying "I'm here, everything's okay," and
then DIDN'T SUBMIT ORDERS.  So HE'S gone CD now and *you* can come in and
play his turn.  Please do. 

Fleet_rome is for all intents and purposes identical with Standard at this
stage of the game... all it means is that Italy started out with a fleet
in Rome instead of an army.  At this point, you couldn't tell the
difference, so don't worry about it being some weird variant.  Just come
in, submit orders for Russia, and PARTY DOWN.  Please.  Six players are
waiting for SOMEONE to submit orders for Russia, why don't _you_ do it? :)
From: vincent@cc.und.ac.za (Russell Vincent)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: map
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:58:12 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc56.cc.und.ac.za

In article <1hvcfnINNej4@early-bird.think.com> dkramer@think.com (David Kramer) writes:

>Some time ago I recall seeing a posting to this newsgroup which gave the
>syntax for a command to send a map of a game from the judge. I can't
>find this command in the index from the judge. Can someone please 
>forward the syntax to me?

The syntax is :

  map <gamename> [n]

where:
 <gamename> is the name of your current game and
 n is an optional argument to specify the file to be sent as plain
   .ps format instead of being compressed and uuencoded first.

Just sending the "map" command with no parameters should give you the syntax.
It will get into the "help" file at some stage.

NOTE: This may not be available on all the judges, but *is* avail. on EFF 
and Shrike (Durban) judges.

There is also a possible problem with games where the first move has not 
been processed.

 -Russell

--
Russell Vincent,  Computer Services, Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
Vincent@cc.und.ac.za
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From: magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: poltava on uofw
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:51:12 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: solaris.astro.uu.se


  When France signed on there was no press, someone changed it. Then
we could read this humble explanation in the press:


     I'm the IDIOT who has changed this game to a press game. The idiot think
if there are no communication in Diplomacy, it'll just a simple strategic game 
and lose its value. The idiot also loves to play a diplomatic game rather than

a mere strategic game, esp when there will be no more new game here (so the
idiot can't set up a new game for the guys who loves press game) ...
     So, I don't mind being the idiot. It is more important to play a press
game.
     I must say sorry to the guys who hate a press game... Sorry!

 IDIOT
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From: donley@cscns.com (Donley P'Simer)
Subject: poltava on uofw
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:53:16 GMT

Who's been mucking around with the parameters on poltava?!? This games is
listed as unmoderated, so there should be a discussion by *all* players
before changes to the parameters take place! I have nothing against having
a moderator, but even a moderator has to answer to the players for his
decisions. Let's get some sense of order in this game!!!

--
			{-| Donley R. P'Simer |-}

Internet: donley@cscns.com		PSC Box 367
CompuServe: 75540,263			Peterson AFB, CO. 80914-5360
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Dedication points
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:34:25 GMT

Joel Furr (jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu) writes:

> I notice that the game "newbie" on the EFF judge has the listing
> "Dedication: -10" on the Access line.  What does _that_ mean?

A player can only join a game if his dedication is greater than the minimum
dedication requirement for the game. Dedication: -10 means that new players
(who have dedication 0) can join, but that players who are consistently late
(i.e. who have a high negative dedication) cannot.

Of course, since the game has already started, this is all in the past
tense, but anyway, that's the idea: to let players who have never played
before join while still keeping out those who miss deadlines on a regular
basis.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
From: dkramer@think.com (David Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: map
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: euler.think.com

Some time ago I recall seeing a posting to this newsgroup which gave the
syntax for a command to send a map of a game from the judge. I can't
find this command in the index from the judge. Can someone please 
forward the syntax to me?

Thanks
David
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From: cmunn@world.std.com (Chris Munn)
Subject: Please take over the Russian position in "light" on Washington judge
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:10:50 GMT

  "light" is a no press, gunboat game that has been moving right along.
'cept the Russian is down to one army and has gone CD. It would be
very much appreciated if someone would take over the Russian position
and play hmi out. It obviously will not take much work - no diplomacy
and only one army.

  I am not in the game, by the way. I'm just posting for a friend of mine.

-Chris

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Warp Games Forming on the EFF Judge (compress)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 07:51:12 GMT

A 24-hour warp _gunboat_ game (gunboat=anonymous, you do not know who your
fellow players are) is forming on the EFF Judge (judge@morrolan.eff.org):
'compress'!

Game 'compress' is waiting for 4 more players to sign on.

The parameters for 'compress' are as follows:
  Move    clock 1410 min 12.00 next  48.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Retreat clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Adjust  clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Access:  Different-site, Level: Any, Moderated, Dedication: -10.
  Variant: Standard, Gunboat.
  Flags:   NoNMR, NoProxy.
  Press:   White, No Fake Broadcast.

This is effectively a standard Diplomacy game, except that all communication
must take place via press. Only white press is allowed, and there can be no
fake broadcasting; however, you may send press only to selected players (but
those players will know that they are the only ones receiving the message).
The only real difference between this and standard Diplomacy is that players
are anonymous until the game ends--and even beyond, if folks would prefer.


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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Hyperactive game forming on EFF Judge
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:34:57 GMT

(This patter should be looking familiar by now... :^)

I've created game 'express' on the EFF Judge, a gunboat/white press/with
partial game with 24-hour deadlines, 24-hour grace, with weekend processing.
As you've probably seen a few times already, the gunboat/white press/with
partial combo is essentially the same as standard Diplomacy, but anonymous:
it eliminates the effects of reputation (for better or for worse), while
forcing you to use the Judge to communicate, of course.

The deadlines for this game are going to be fast and furious, and you're
going to have to talk fast if you plan to talk at all. Since those who can
talk will have a significant advantage over those who can't, I urge you not
to sign up for this game unless you can reliably read e-mail at least twice
a day, including on weekends. Those who can't but try to join anyway will
doubtless get smooshed by their more coordinated opposition... So think
carefully before signing on to this one.

I will make two exceptions to the deadlines: (1) If a player is going on
vacation and asks for an extension; (2) I will prevent players from becoming
abandoned on a weekend--once. (per player) Don't join this game unless you
can keep up the pace!
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
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From: donley@cscns.com (Donley P'Simer)
Subject: poltava on uofw
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:04:48 GMT

France has resigned in game poltava on u.washington.edu! S/He didn't like
that press was allowed (maybe s/he should have read the description |-).
The deadline for S1901M has been set to 10 Jan so that we can have time to
do the holiday thing and find another player for France. Please sign up if
you're interested!

--
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From: mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy: Russia player needed on ........
Reply-To: mikepb@lupus.dell.com
Organization: Dell UNIX Support
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:28:58 GMT

What is this, THREE different games where Russia is not doing well, and ALL
are CD?  Is Russia jinxed?  Do people hate playing it?  I am just learning
about judge diplomacy and will be ready to start playing in early January
or I would grab ALL three!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Michael P. Brininstool   DELL UNIX PRODUCT SUPPORT  mikepb@lupus.dell.com |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Openings in a Fast Paced Gunboat Game
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:43:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec31.214305.17668
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


For those of you interested in a fast gunboat game with no press, please
consider the game wealth on the South Africa judge.  24 hr deadlines and
no press.

-Gary

P.S.  FYI, here is the address:  judge@shrike.und.ac.za

P.P.S.  Please lose my address should you choose to play. :)
-- 
"The question is not, can animals reason? Nor, can they talk?  But, can
they suffer?"    -Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, 1748-1832.

                   Gary Arkoff --   arkoff@lclark.edu
From: desper@math.rutgers.edu (Rick Desper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: IS washington Judge down?
Keywords: is Washington Judge down?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:25:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Well, is it?  I have triedd contacting it today with no success.    
					Rick
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Dedication points
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.220544.20199@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
[much fine stuff deleted]

Okay, that makes sense to me now... EP is a set of house rules, EP the
thing that gets mailed out is mostly a collection of articles on
Diplomacy, and EP numbers are assigned to games run by moderators who ask
for one and whose games meet certain standards.

I'm still curious what the BNC actually is... not worried, mind you, just
idly curious.

I'm also curious what percentage of non-person-to-person games are now
taking place on the Judges.  I expect that Diplomacy is now played in the
following forms:

Judge games
Email games not involving judges
Snailmail games
Live, in-person games held informally
Live, in-person games held at cons

I wonder what percentage of all games each category represents.
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Looking for assistance..
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:54:05 GMT

Jeff Freymueller (jeff@pangea.stanford.edu) writes:

> Your advice is certainly correct, but assumes two things which may not be
> true: (a) that the poster is familiar enough with usenet to know what the
> FAQ is and where to find it

A good point; since no one seems to have posted that information yet, here
it is:

  For more information about the Usenet group rec.games.diplomacy, look for
  the r.g.d Frequently Asked Questions file. Sean Starkey maintains the FAQ
  file, and posts it bi-weekly to the newsgroup itself; it is also available
  for anonymous ftp from netcom.com, as /pub/starkey/rec.games.diplomacy.FAQ.

(from the info section of the upcoming *cough* issue of EPC2)

I'm also working on a revised edition of Kendrick Lo's "Beginner's Guide to
Judge Diplomacy", which I hope to have available by the weekend. I'll post
it here when it's ready, so please don't send me e-mail requests for it
unless you don't have access to this newsgroup (but then how are you reading
this? whatever).
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
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From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Dedication points for Observers?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:30:13 GMT

I am an observer in the game "newbie" on the EFF judge.
Because I missed (or accidentally deleted) the results of a
move, I requested a list of the game.  I was quite surprised to
see that I suddenly had dedication points, when I've never
played a game on the EFF judge (or any other for that matter).
I would presume that, by sending press to the other observers,
I have "submitted orders", so I get the 3 point dedication
bonus.

Now, I _don't_ mind this at all, but since it is impossible for
me to lose dedication points as an observer, shouldn't it also
be impossible for me to gain them?

- David
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Warp Games Forming on the EFF Judge (jaguar)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 07:46:47 GMT

Want to be in a 24-hour warp standard game?  'jaguar' is forming on the
EFF Judge (judge@morrolan.eff.org) and needs just one more player to get
going:

Game 'jaguar' is waiting for 1 more player to sign on.

The parameters for 'jaguar' are as follows:
  Move    clock 1410 min 12.00 next  24.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Retreat clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Adjust  clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  72.00 delay 0.50 days -MTWTF-
  Access:  Different-site, Level: Any, Moderated.
  Variant: Standard.
  Flags:   NoNMR, NoProxy.
  Press:   White, No Fake Broadcast.

	Jaguar will be run with strict 24-hour deadlines.  Players who
feel that they cannot keep up with such a speed are encouraged to play
in slower games.  Players who like a fast-moving game are encouraged
to sign on.
From: desper@math.rutgers.edu (Rick Desper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: IS washington Judge down?NO!
Keywords: is Washington Judge down?
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:42:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


It's not down, it just took half a day to answer a message, that's
all.
						Rick
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: 24-Hour Warp
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:33:43 GMT


I am a novice Diplomacy player who would be delighted if he could get into
a _fast-moving_ game.  I have reviewed the games going on the EFF and
Washington judges and, while there are games there designated as
fast-moving, each has a _lengthy_ list of alternates already signed up.  

I am not about to try starting a new game at my level of inexperience but
would certainly be more than willing to join a game with 24 or 36 hour
deadlines and a _short_ grace period, no longer than 24 hours.  I would
prefer to play standard or standard gunboat.  

Anyone else want to start a warp game?  I understand that no new games can
be started on the Washington judge, that there are many games on the
Washington judge in need of players (but these are games with a week
between turns, apparently), but don't know what the policy is on the EFF
judge. 
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From: js138@cus.cam.ac.uk (John Sloan)
Subject: Machiavelli
Keywords: Rules
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:19:09 GMT


Flicking through the Machiavelli Rules, I notice in the syntax under
Movement/Expenditure orders that there is an

<ally> <power>

option.  Does anyone know what this means?  I can't find any reference to it in
the rules as given, and can't recall any reference to it in the rules that come
with the set (I don't posess a copy however).

Can anyone shed some light?

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