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From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: psychic sight
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:27:05 GMT

Bill McKinnon (gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca) wrote:
: -- 
: 
: I'm curious about something, and i think it is related to obes.  Ok first
: a little background.  I found that a couple of times that on an evening
: when i was going to have an obe that i could see with my eyes closed.  No
: real definition mind you, just shadows of the room around me.  Now, 
: blindfolded, i can almost always get these vague shadows.  Now for the
: interesting tidbit.  I was doing one of my 'blindfold' experiments not too long
: ago.  Everything was as it always was, but, after a while of focusing on the
: shadows i got a clear (albiet stark) vision of my room.  Everything was in
: black and white, but i could see everything.  I passed my arms back and forth
: in front of me and i could see them quite plainly.  I'm wondering if anyone out
: there has experienced anything similar.  Thanx in advance.
: 
>> here is my two cents worth.
>> Yeah, clairvoyant vision at work. Keep practicing and you will 
>> probably get color. May not be the same colors as you would expect,
>> as colors on the astral are somewhat different.
>> Seeing that you have clairvoyant vision, you might want to bring your
>> Guides into this. Yes that dredded idea again. If you don't get to see
>> them, but you feel their presence, then ask them to imprint their image
>> on your mind. ie make themselves visible to you.
>> That is about all I can say - good luck. Let us know how you go.
>> Sascha

: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:  Bill Mckinnon             |  Quoted from an interview with Hurling Footmig,
:  Halifax, Nova Scotia      |  17th acting editor of the Guide:
:  Canada. (902) 429-6927    |  'Why stop now, just when I'm hating it?'
:  gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca |   Marvin the Paraniod Andriod.
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: sight
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:15:22 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Monroe has a technique to help with vision; simply think "I can see!" he says. 
for some reason i tend to remember this when i am conscious in a dream/oobe and
it usually makes my sight better, though 360' is still a ways away i think.

hope that helps,

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: REALITY CHECK!
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:38:29 EDT
 <1992Aug27.205352.5369@news.mentorg.com> <1992Sep2.202212.14607@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Sep2.202212.14607@javelin.sim.es.com>, KHATCH@130.187.170.178 
(kh) writes:
>> >>>What exactly is a level 12 universe?  If it began at level 12, what level
 is
>> >>>it at now?
>> >>
>> >>Six and twelve are great numbers.  I believe its six. 
> 
>     This is a friendly request. Please take this conversation out of this
> newsgroup.  It is a serious disruptions of the intended topic of
> conversation. 

on the contrary, i think this is a quite interesting discussion and that based
on the context from which it has been stripped it is quite appropriate for this
newsgroup.  out-of-body experiences/knowledge of the spiritual do indeed go
hand in hand.  i would like to know more about the differences between these
numbered universes, in the hopes that i will be able in the future to
experience parts of them in my out-of-body journeys.
in general i would like to say that i have found Tom Repasky's posts to be
fascinating and i really loved the stories.
my 2 cents,

Jude
From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM (James Mangin)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: REALITY CHECK!  (was: in-body questions)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:51:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac

tom_repasky@mentorg.co writes:

>Level twelve.  The search for persistence. for absolute.  brings us here.

Is this your George Bush impersonation?  (I couldn't resist...)

Okay, I need to be serious for a second here.  First of all, I'm open minded enough
to accept new ideas & beliefs...that being said, I shall continue.  Next, you have
yet to answer anyone's questions with something other than "A term I use" or other
such ambiguities.

Example:

>>What exactly is a level 12 universe?  If it began at level 12, what level is
>>it at now?
>
>Six and twelve are great numbers.  I believe its six. 

Then you state:

>This universe, by my reckoning, began as a level 12. 

Then:

>>Permitted?  By whom or what?  
>
>>Perhaps permitted was a poor choice of terms.

Etcetera, etcetera...

I must confess, I have a great deal of trouble believing *any* of what you have 
stated thus far is anything other than some fantasy you've created
in your own mind.  Either start coughing up some realistic explanations to these
"beliefs" or take your rhetoric to alt.buttharp where it belongs...

---
James Mangin                          |"Alone on a midnight passage,
Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation |I can't count the falling stars
Mountain View, California             |While the Southern Cross & the satellites
                                      |they remind me of where we are" - Jimmy Buffett
From: loeckel@clam.rutgers.edu (Chris Loeckel)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: _The Holographic Universe_
Keywords: oobe
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:07:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


this probably doesn't belong _exclusively_ in alt.oobe, but:
has anyone read _The Holographic Universe_ by Michael Talbot?
Fascinating book, eh?

Comments, anyone?

			Chris Loeckel
			loeckel@clam.rutgers.edu
From: wdb3926@summa.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Keywords: obe
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:29:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug25.215037.26015@news.mentorg.com>, tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes...
> 
>   {Stuff deleted}
> 
>Enjoy!
>You can only die once.  And that has already occurred.  Or don't you remember
>being born ?
> 
> 
> 

Please explain.
Dan
From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM (James Mangin)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: REALITY CHECK!  (was: in-body questions)
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:42:41 GMT
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac

Thank you, forgive me if I was a little abrupt but I felt it necessary for you
to explain a little bit more about where you are coming from in order to give your
writings more serious consideration.

You are right...what you are attempting to convey is *not* a story, but rather an
interpretation of your spiritual/metaphysical awareness and I believe it's important
that the correct frame of mind be assumed before delving into and analyzing
what it is you are saying.  Not that it needs to be "analyzed" per se, but before
one can contemplate, and hopefully learn from, a train of thought or dialog, you 
need to have an understanding of what it is that YOU, yourself, may be attempting
to glean from it.  

>Ambiguities are opportunities to discover common points of understanding.

Very well said...

Cheers,

James~

---
James Mangin                           |"Alone on a midnight passage,
Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation  |I can't count the falling stars
Mountain View, California              |While the Southern Cross & the satellites
                                       |they remind me of where we are" - Jimmy Buffett
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: svenning@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Test to achieve Telepathic commun.
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:09:35 GMT

Who would like to perform a small experiment to test the boundaries of oobe's
and psychic ability?

I suggest we try to perform intercontinental communication via telepathic
power. I am convinced that it is possible if there is another person willing
to attempt this at the same time as myself.
  If you are interested, e-mail me and I will attempt to arrange a time for
the test to occur. 

							Regards,,
								Todd.

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Subject: OBE Newsgroup Name Vote
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:43 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Gary asked me to send out confirmations for votes so if you don't get a
confirmation by tomorrow morning (say 11 am) it means your vote wasn't received
so please vote again before the polls close (midnight Friday night unless i'm
mistaken).
thanks to all who voted.

Jude
From: mackenir@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gunner 'Innes' MacKenzie (Major).)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:58:55 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

What about object oriented body experiences??????????????
snort snort.
--
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Tell me if this an oobe
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:05:29 GMT


I was sitting around with people at work talking about different
dreams we've had when I told them about my reoccuring dream that 
is really different.

It goes like this. In my dream I am totally paralyzed but fully aware
of my surroudings. I think I can hear things in the room but I can't
see anything or move any part of my body. I become nervous that I can't move
and start to worry. In the past I have found that if I go to sleep in my
dream I wake up immediatly sweating and heart pounding.

This happens to me often though not as much as it used to. When it happens
I am fully aware it's a dream but I'm determined to wake up another way
besides going to sleep in my dream.

A couple of years ago I figured out that I could click my teeth together and
that was the only part of my body I could move. This would wake me up.

The person who reads this group said I'm having an out of body experience,
But I just thought I was overtired and stressed.

Is this what an oobe is and if it is how can I control it or what else can I
do with it?

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Other Entities
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:03:35 GMT

It is said that every incarnate (human) has a guardian attached. This 
enity is there to help you on your path. What I would suggest to those
who are more profficient with their OOBE's, is that they talk to their
guardian, and ask him to make an "appointment" with one of your higher
guides at a time and place specified by you. Obviously you will have to
be profficient enough to be able to leave your body at the appointed time
and be able to go to the appointed place (easiest would be the place you
normally take off from).

I would really really like to know of the outcome of this from people who
made an earnest attempt.

Sascha

Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Fear of seperation ?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:38:31 GMT

 (SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: Well, so how does one go about overcoming the fear that one is going to
: achieve oobe ?
: 
: Kumar

Fear is a personal thing. I suspect that the best way to overcome it, is to
not think about it. ie focus on (but don't force) seperating from the
body, and leave what will happen afterwards to the "GODS". 
I suggest that you don't look at your own body for a long time, after 
having reached seperation, as this might give you a bit of a fright ...
ie your body will look rather crude and ugly to you (most probably).

Other than that, I can only say that there is nothing to worry about
if you keep your calm. You could always ask for assistance when on the 
other side. Just send out a thought to your GUIDE and ask him/her to be
present. Don't be surprised if someone turns up.

Sascha

ps has anyone asked for the presence of a GUIDE before. What was the outcome ?

Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com
Subject: Life can not be taught
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:16:08 GMT
Organization: Information Services


The Ticket Stub

Everybody has one.  
An essence.  
A rock of being.  
Good for exactly one lifetime.

	He sat on the steps contemplating the days events and marveled at the
completeness, the exquisite detail.  Every scene, every act was meticulously
done.  "True to life".  "As real as it gets".  The clever production and
compelling performances were awe inspiring.  The story line was about a young
man who discovers a hidden world.  The young man describes the world and its
forms to his friends and neighbors, only to realize, the frustration and
difficulty of intra-species communication.   Undaunted, he becomes determined,
perhaps even zealous.  However, he also discovers, no one really cares about
this 'new world'.   And reluctantly he accepts the only possible position
remaining.   
	Seated on the steps, contemplating the procession of events, he retrieves a
scrap of paper and begins to write a farewell.   The scrap of paper, being
rather small, required concise and terse statements.  No opportunity for
embellishment, or flowery words.  So he drew a map showing the way from the
here and now.  He dropped the scrap of paper and its map onto the path where
someone might find it.  And then he left.
	At the time I didn't give it much thought, but after todays' show, I became
real interested.  On the back of my ticket stub was a map, or half a map.  The
rest of the ticket had been removed by the attendant at the gate.  I examined
the ticket stub more closely and discovered, that the missing portion probably
contained some critically important information.  Speculation, perhaps. 
None-the-less, it would be difficult if not impossible to use the rest of the
map without having the context, the beginning portion.  
	The next day, as I waited in line, I wondered if any others had discovered the
map.  Suddenly, I heard a voice say.  "Move along, there's plenty of room, lots
of great seats, a truly wonderful show is planned for today.  The attendant
handed me my ticket stub, and without even a glance said 'Welcome to Life.' 
'The greatest show'  'Everyone has a part to play'  'Don't loose your ticket
stub, you'll need it if you'd like to return to the same seat tomorrow.
	On the back of the ticket the map clearly described a rock whereon a fantastic
palace had been built...
 
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Reply-To: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:59:30 GMT


In a previous article, tom_repasky@mentorg.com () says:

>Many stories and visions began to arise.  Some were allegories of the beginning
>of this, the 6th universe. Some detailed the progress and milestones of other
>beings, who having awareness, left structure(s) (immutable) to fall back into
>the energy stream.  These structures, in turn, act like seeds, providing a
>basis for form and value in successive universes.

If you know that there have been 6 universes, do you know how the first
universe came into existence?

>This universe, by my reckoning, began as a level 12.  The inhabitants of this

What exactly is a level 12 universe?  If it began at level 12, what level is
it at now?

>enable a rich moment, called life.  The need to create
>n +1 space and associated constructs (i.e. aliens, other worlds, victims,  etc)

Could you explain what you mean by "n+1" space.

>human <--> human.  Energy frequencies, including that of the human mind are/can
>be modulated.  And there are those who are very close to oneness.

What kind of energy do you mean?  Electromagnetic?

Dave.
--
From: cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: UFO's
Summary: The Light Barrier "Broken"!
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:02:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <gqkn2+p.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>The limit of the speed of light in a vacuum has been experimentally
>verified countless times since Einstein published his theories.  Hopefully,
>a physicist out there reading this can provide a better explanation than
>I can.

  I heard, about a year or two ago, of an experiment that "broke" the light
barrier by some small amount. I think I read this in a news magazine like
_Newsweek_, so of course the technical details were very lacking. However, the
way they tried to help us dummuns visualize it was this: imagine that "light"
is really a photon travelling in a sinusoidal wave path. What is usually
measured as the "speed of light" is the propagation of that photon along the
wavefront (i.e. along the straight line parallel to this sinusoid), but the
"actual" speed of the photon is actually somewhat higher, because the photon is
taking a sinusoidal path, not a straight one.
  The experiment, explained in cartoon physics, was to "squash" the sinusoid
into a flatter one by putting "mirrors" above and below the peaks, producing a
change in the sinusoid path kind of like stretching out a slinky. This resulted
in a straight-line propagation speed somewhat higher than the usual value given
for the speed of light.
  This result was not interpreted as a fundamental, qualitative disruption of
relativity, however, because all it showed was that the usual ways of measuring
maximum speed (straight-line propagation) are really only approximations of the
"true" measure (propagation along the curved wave path). Thus, there is still a
maximum speed -- we've just been measuring it wrong. (I think the experimentors
made some estimate of the "true" speed of light by comparing speed increase to
amount of squashing.) The experiment may have implications regarding the
fundamental nature of light, though (but I don't think the cartoon explanation
is enough to promote rational speculation about this).
  I am not saying this experiment (and forgive the layman description -- it's
the only one I've heard) supports or refutes the idea of an absolute maximum
speed, but I think one must not lose sight of the *fact* that relativity is a
*theory* and therefore not necessarily a fact.
  Has anyone else heard of this experiment and whether it was verified?

-- 
Kevin Cherkauer
cherkaue@cs.wisc.edu

Disclaimer: The above opinions are solely the responsibility of my owners.
From: kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Experiments Wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:21:17 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH

Hello "ALL"

      I'm proposing a night out for my group over Halloween that would 
include a trip to a cemetery. Once there I would like to set up some 
experiments that would be evaluated the next day. 

    Some ideas are...
      Camera (iris open) in a light box.
      Camera Long -exposure iris down.
      Tape recorder, no mics or inputs.
      
Any other suggestions?

Kevin Dawson
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Mrs Piper / Martin Gardner
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:55:12 GMT

In article <21102@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.164445.8888@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
|> |> In article <memo.590577@cix.compulink.co.uk>, live_wire@cix.compulink.co.uk (Andrew Clifton) writes in part:
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> Many psychic investigators went to enormous efforts to catch Mrs
|> |> |> Piper out, and prove that she was a fraud.  Without exception, they
|> |> |> all failed.  But the _possibility_ that she was a charlatan clearly
|> |> |> occurred to ALL of them.
|> |> Please substantiate this claim.  How do you know that "ALL of them"
|> |> considered the possibilitly of fraud?  "This struck me as being typical 
|> |> of [Clifton's] condescending attitude,
|> |> and scant attention to the facts when they fail to suit his argument."
|> |> 
|> 
|> Come on RM, think for a minute. If they are making efforts to catch her out,
|> they must be looking for fraud, no? Internal logic of the paragraph.
|> (ok, so you can make the "ALL" ambiguous. Local reference before global
|> to disambiguate.)
|> 	terry
Excuse me?  AC says "many", but unspecified, investigators, went to
"enormous", but unspecified, efforts.  Since I don't know who these
people are alleged to have been, or what their efforts really were,
I do not accept that they were examining the possibility of fraud.

Rather than arguing from general logical principles, how about forking
over some historical facts.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:26:30 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


> >When did communism collapse, exactly?

> Last I checked, it was still alive and well in China, Cuba and North Korea.

> June 1991 was not a particularly important moment in the collapse of Soviet
> Communism.  The failed coup was in August, and the USSR was disbanded in
> December.
> 
> Dave

   One more Dave! You cant forget that   H a P p Y   g O   l U c K y   state
of VIETNAM!! 

            see ya  C o M r A d E!
 
-- 

                      "Just Say No! To Cable TV"
Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: giskard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daneel Olivaw)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: what a joke!
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:44:55 GMT

In article <l9q5e9INN8lq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> szucheng@cheng.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

>A few years ago, one of my friend had shown me a paper which he got from so called
>"Iron Abacus" (translation) fortune-teller about 20 years ago. Everything happened 
>to him in the pass 20 years is just like what had been written down on that paper. 
>Don't misunderstand that everything happened to him was written on that paper, 
>however, most of the major events were.


Yea, but how concrete were those predictions.  I bet they were such loose 
statements that they could have been interpreted in a number of ways. I.E.
"you will be with someone very special and ...."--- most people do get 
married, or "good fortune will come your way" ---- that is bound to happen
to everybody sometime or another.  Stuff like those type of statements are
real corny, because the chances are very likely to happen.

Brandon
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Re: what a joke!
Keywords: expunge this!n
Organization: Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:03:01 GMT

In article <78253@ut-emx.uucp>, giskard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daneel Olivaw) writes:

>I was merely trying
>to get people to answer my questions (as I stated).  I got a few responses
>from some goons out there who think they are taken part in a cartoon or 
>something.

No, that's not at all what you were trying to do. Despite what you think, we
are not stupid. You were trying to incite hostility, and dole out a few
petty and childish insults to people who do not share your beliefs.

As you say, nobody can prove these things to you. This, of course, does not
mean that proof doesn't exist, it means that even if you were presented with
solid, irrefutable evidence for the existance of any of these things, you
would not be convinced, because your tiny brain simply can't concieve that
what you have been taught just might be wrong!


-- 
John Martin                                        johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu
Institute of Neuroscience,   University of Oregon,    Eugene, OR,    97402
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