HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Mr. Jaffery has serious problems
Date: 26 Mar 92 14:19:55 GMT
Reply-To: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: zaheer@daisy.cc.utexas.edu

In article <92084.16254232JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>Salam Alaikum:
>
>.
>            Aghar cha butt hain jamaat ki astinoum main
>            mughey hai hukme azan La Illah  Illallah
>
>            Satiza kar rahae hai azal say ta imrooz
>            Chiragh Mustawafi say chiragh bu-lahabi


  Welcome back Mr. JAffery. Your absence was greatly felt on the net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faryal@torment.ugcs.caltech.edu (Faryal [Pink Floyd] Ghalib)
Subject: Harassment on the net (was Re: Pinky Floyd aka Gloria)
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.193445.16674@wuecl.wustl.edu> mss1@cec1.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed) writes:
>
>And I thought we nearly had put an end to your lyrics blues on scp! Silly me...

	I am not sure which episode you are taling about.

>And I guess I should know who I am, shouldn't I? Why don't you try
>alt.music or invent your own alt.beat.lyrics.todeath ???
>
	Who died and made you incharge of this noosegroup. I am sorry
	this is not Pakistan where you can scare someone not to do things.

>Since when have "ugcs"s at Caltech started declaring God in their programs?

	taking cheep shots at the school

>Are you guys rewriting the Bible in C or something ? A momentary lapse
>of reason here?                                  

	No perhaps you are 'awake at the verge of insanity' 

>			Am I banging my head against a 'Wall' ?
	Yes!! be careful it will start bleeding.

>			Does someone need some thought control here ?   

	You do!!

Faryal // these are my thoughts, and not school
--
God is real, unless declared integer
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: STOP PRESS: Najeeb out! Kabul falls to Mujahideen
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:20:05 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <kurcriINNfi1@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <5749@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.180831.16293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood) writes:
:::
:::	WHY UN "PEACE" EFFORTS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD BE DENOUNCED
:::
::
::	In this entire posting you have assumed that the Mujahideens are on
::the verge of victory. They are far from it. 

:It appears Mr. Aman has not been following the news. 
:

Mr. Aman you were definitely not upto date.

STOP PRESS:

News just coming in. KABUL HAS FALLEN. Najeeb is out.

Keep your fingers crossed for more news.
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The one million & sawa lakh question....
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:49:36 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Kamran Aftab writes:

|> As we say in urdu "suwaal suwa lakh ka" (in english - million dollar question!)
|> 


	yahaN auqaat ka farq saaf zahir hai! 	;--{)}
	
	Now I realize why the Americans have developed so fast and why
	we have not...........they set their hopes on "million" and
	we only on "sawa lakh"...........By the way, why not a 
	"poora lakh"?			;--{)}

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	ADIL [tairi thei, iss leaye Thehri hai kehkashaN tairi maang
	 	   mairay thay, iss leaye aansoo koee sitaara naheeN] NAJAM
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From: grx1176@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Forgeries of Hindu Texts
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:51:07 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <Ydu8Kh_00VB=R8ykYE@andrew.cmu.edu>, ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
> 
> This `communalist liberal' is happy to present to you some more
> food for thought:
> 


Every one here has very fertile Imagination and so readers of this group can 
interpolate, fabriacate and propogate and do whatever they want with Old Texts
of Hindus. There is no strong chronological history with the texts and without
inhibition, please everyone have a field day and make mash potato out of it.


With Agony,

Gopal
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Maudoodi's answers: THE FULL CONTEXT! Finally, at last!
Date: 12 Apr 1992 15:42:56 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Apr12.144435.1026@cs.nott.ac.uk> cczaziz@mips.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz) writes:
:As promised in my last article, I give below the exact quotation
:relating to Maudoodi's reply from the Munir Report.
:
:The Report says:
:
:---------------------
:
:     ... if Pakistan is entitled to base its constitution on religion,
:     the same right must be conceded to other countries where Muslims
:     are in substantial minorities ... We, therefore, asked the
:     various ulama whether, if non-Muslims in Pakistan were to be
:     subjected to this discrimination in matters of citizenship, the
:     ulama would have any objection to Muslims in other countries
:     being subjected to a similar discrimination. Their reactions to
:     this suggestion are reproduced below:--
:
:     ...
:     ...
:
:     Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi:--
:     Q.-- If we have this form of Islamic Government in Pakistan,
:          will you permit Hindus [in India] to base their Constitution
:          on the basis of their own religion?
:
:     A.--Certainly. I should have no objection even if the Muslims
:         of India are treated in that form of Government as shudras and
:         malishes and Manu's laws are applied to them, depriving them
:         of all share in the Government and the rights of a citizen. In
:         fact such a state of affairs already exists in India.

The above certainly PROVES my contention that Mr. Arshad Husain's
posting (reproduced below) was indeed out of context and only a half 
truth.

See for yourself how people feed half-truths. Not only that 
but when corrected fail to admit their mistake. Here is the 
prime example of the half truth. It is clear that the
following post didn't contain the context which was finally
given after my repeated proddings. See another posting
containing Maudoodi's  views of the "minorities"

In article <1992Apr9.183625.1418@prism.poly.edu: 
	ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
:
: In his testimony before Munir Commission 1953,
:
:Mr. Maudoodi states that he has no objection if
:
:Government of India starts treating MUSLIM minority as
:
:ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.
:
:The report is published by Govt. of Pakistan.

Isn't the above out of the full context? See the full excrepts above
for the context. It presupposes an Islamic government in pakistan,
and then asks whether Indian government can base their constitution
on their religion.

Now tell me the international norm about interfering in another
country's internal affairs!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A NOTE ABOUT ``DAJJAL''!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:53:17 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



Asslam-o-Alaikum,
Many Asked about the Dajjal and how Hazrat Ahmad ``killed'' ``him''.
Here is my anwer:

******************************
A note on Dajjal
******************************
 
Prophet Muhammad made a prophecy of a prophet would come after him, namely, 
the Messiah or Mahdi.  The hadith tell us that the moral condition of the 
world at the time of his appearance would be in a poor state.  There would 
be corruption transgression and injustice.  Even the Muslim leadership and 
scholars would be corrupt.
The chief antangonist of the Messiah and his followers will be Dajjal.  Who is
Dajjal?  Let us see what the Prophet has to say:  "Those of you who witness the
appearance of the Dajjal should read the introductory verses of Surah Kahf, for
their recital will serve as a protection for you (Muslim)."  If you read the
beginning verses of Surah Kahf, you will find it refers to the present day
christians who believe Jesus is the son of God.  Dajjal, thus refers to 
Christianity. According to Arabic dictionaries, Dajjal refers to a great
company of people who come to dominate a great portion of the earth 
(Arabic-English Lexicon by Lane and Taj al-Arus).  In hadith literature,
Dajjal is often depicted as a donkey with a blind right eye, symbolic for the 
spiritual bankruptcy of a people. In Hadith, it is written that the Messiah 
will break the cross and kill the swine.  Breaking the cross means that 
the Messiah would disprove with incontrovertible arguments the false 
doctrines of Christianity.  Killing swine means the Messiah would expose the 
shameless and immoral practices and concepts that would become widespread in 
the world.
The process of rejuvenation of Islam through the Ahmadiyya Movement (the true
Islam) has begun.  The prophecy in the Quran that He (Allah) will make Islam 
prevail over every other religion (9:32)" is bound to be fulfilled.


Regards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Reply #2 to Mr. Jamal Mubarak
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:14:56 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <DAh+5q#@engin.umich.edu> jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak) writes:

>Are you trying to say that you are going to give me an interpretation of
>a word for which no reference exists, and I should believe you?  Are you
>some prophet or what?

Sir, The only reference I gave was from Quran. My post did contain a Hadith
in which Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) was quoted calling Hazrat Ali ``Khatam
Aulia'', as this Hadith does not appear in Siha Sitah and so is unacceptable
to a lot of you so I withdraw this Hadith as my reference. But this will not
make any difference as who ever read my post would know that proof was given
from Quran.

Please hold your followup/reply till you read my next post titled ``reply #3''

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: jahil@MARIA.WUSTL.EDU (|*************THE SPHINX OF SPHINXES ***************, me again!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PINKY FRAUD & THE NATIONAL PRESS
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:52:15 GMT



          Newsclips from nationally respected press...

In a manner so typical of tabloids, another literary  paper  (!),
the  Star  has  joined  in the steaming Floyd/Ghalib controversy.
Amidst a dozen Elvis sightings all over America and a UFO landing
in  Kansas  was this piece staring at me. It's hot off the press,
enjoy...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Exclusive to the Star

        London, England: A Pink  Floyd  band  member  Allah-Ditta
(name  changed  to protect identity) confessed to having a secret
band member, the famous Indian urdu poet, Mirza Ghalib.
        Ghalib was known to have bought the farm in the 19th cen-
tury.  But  in the land of black magic and Kamasutra, anything is
possible. Reportedly Ghalib rose from his grave  after  lightning
struck his mausoleum around the time of Pink Floyd's inception in
England.
                  -----some stuff omitted-----

        Ghalib was recently  spotted in America and  is  believed
to be playing religious games with computers at an institute. He's
working on a secret project seeking to  quantify  God  along  the
number line.
        Ghalib, planning to go solo soon under  the  name  'PINKY
FRAUD'  sports  long  hair  and cheap whiskey breath. He was seen
entering a ritzy Beverly Hills bistro with some Capitol  Records
execs, chanting Aerosmith's "Dude looks like a lady" religiously.

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THE SPHINX OF SPHINXES
From: umera%msu.dnet@TERRA.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU (Ruhul Amin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Anyone in Japan on this net?
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:23:49 GMT

Is there anyone on this net who lives in Japan?  I like to get some 
information from Japan.  I would be appreciative if you could respond
to me to the following e-mail address.

Thanks in advance.

-- Ruhul Amin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:07:07 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: al-Battani [ was: can science return to Islam]



>>al-Battani (d. 928) who measured the solar year as being only
>>24 seconds longer than the currently accepted value;
>
>He achieved a better description of the apparent solar orbit than
>did Ptolemy. Copernicus cites al-Battani no fewer than 23 times in
>his "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium. We are told that only one
>copy of al-Battani's "Zij" survives in Arabic, and that in Spain.
>
>In Europe he was know as Albategnius, and I think there is a major
>crater on the moon that is named for him.

The Europeans didn't forget al-Battani alias Albategnius. I checked,
a major crater on the moon was named after him. This crater is roughly
on the center of the face of the moon and can be seen with small
binoculars.

Features on the moon were mapped and named after the invention of
the telescope. As far as I can verify, the crater was first named
in a map of the moon published in Italy in 1651 by a Riccioli; the
map drawn by a Grimaldi, sorry I didn't bother to remember the name
of the publication.
If anyone forgot about al-Battani, it wasn't the European astronomers  !!!

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Through QADIANIS away
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:18:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.111802.20299
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr16.024305.20671@massey.ac.nz> A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) writes:
>Dear Brs & sisters in ISLAM,
	[deleted]
>
>Altaf Qadir

	I would like to recommend this post as post of the year.



	NOT!

					--ali.
-- 
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* Ali Hasan			Computer Aided Engineering	     *
* ahasan@cae.wisc.edu		UW-Madison.			     *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Pakistan, Karachi aur XYZ.......(synopsis).......
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:22:38 GMT

anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:

>What I took 150 lines in expalining, the poem by Harris Khaliq (posted by Amar
>Mahboob Ali) explained ina few lines:


>>>>		Tum Gunnahgar Ho	   ..... by   Haaris Khaleeq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>	..............
>>>>	..............
>>>>
>>>>	Tum nay chaha keh rungoN kay nusloN kay but
>>>>	yeh illaqooN kay but, yeh qabeeloN lay but
>>>>	muslekoN kay puraney nuzzer'yoN kay but
>>>>	yeh rasoom o riwaj aur tareeqoN kay but
>>>>	aur sub say baRRa but, yeh daulat ka but
>>>>	tum nay chaha keh tum sarey but toRR do
>>>>
>>>>		tum nay chaha ghulat, tum nay socha ghulat
>>>>		tum gunnah'gar ho
>>>>
>>>>	..............
>>>>	..............
>>>>

>.....need one say more.......thanks Amar.......
>.....let the music (aashyr) play on............


>ADIL [mairi pehchaan, mairi aan, maira maan, Pakistan......] NAJAM

assalam alaikum

Wah,Wah,Wah,Wah!!!!!! Maan GaAay Ustaad. Wah,Wah!!!
Mukarar Irshad Ho Yani
			Tum nay Chaha Ghulat .....

Wah,Wah Cantt!!! is near Rawalpindi. Iqbal would be happy about this.
Amar waqai Amar ho GaAya is posting Say. Adil ne sitaroun ka bharam rakh liya.

Murad [Ragoun mein Dorthay Phirnay Kay Hum Nahin Qaail
       Jo Ankh He Say Na Tapka Tou Wo Lahu Kiya Hay] Mirza.

Wah!Waaahhhh!
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Following up on articles .... how do we KILL ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45210
Organization: Purdue University

> All those who are following up on certains topics in general and on the 
> Ahmedy issue in particular, ... could you please keep the same title for the
> posting so that we (those not interested in the issue, or those that were there
> during the last round of the Ahmedy issue) can KILL the thread!
> 
> Thanks very much for your co-operation.
> 
> 
           Very well said sir this seems to be the only alternative to stop
     this relentless bull.
> 
                     ___
         Lahori (LHL 111) poond
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 10:32:46 EDT
From: Sabaa Butt<BUTTS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Ahmadis vs Non-Ahmadis

Though this marathon-no-holds-barred debating session of Ahmadis vs Non-Ahmadis
has yet to come to an *unprecedented* outcome, its really not that difficult to
resolve this issue. All it needs is a little bit of tolerance and the capacity
to get rid of ethnocentrism, of the belief that only our own ideas and convicti
ons are true and correct. I know there is always the temptation to impose one's
own ideas on others, to spread one's own *truth*. Its a common human weekness
to persecute people who are *different*. But one has to remind oneself that all
individuals or groups have a fundamental right to live their lives according to
their own choice. Suppression of someone's ideas and beliefs leads to general
human impoverishment. Freedom and tolerance are necessary for general improve-
ment of culture and civilization. Thus we should regard and respect the beliefs
ideas and convictions of other people.

Truth, Goodness and Beauty are not the monopoly of any one individual or group.

Sabaa.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: STOP PRESS: Kabul falls to Mujahideen: Analysis
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:21:11 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: burr.cs.utexas.edu

In article <5753@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>>STOP PRESS:
>>
>>News just coming in. KABUL HAS FALLEN. Najeeb is out.
>>
>>Keep your fingers crossed for more news.
>
>Ceefax has reported that he was caught trying to flee (according to some
>reports).  The US is worried that Afghanistan may be heading for anarchy.
>
I think we should try to look behind the lines at the reports fed
to us by the American media. US is NOT worried that Afghanistan
is heading for anarchy, rather it is trying its best to MAKE 
it head  for anarchy. 

How I deduce the above policy intentions of State dept?

   Couple of weeks ago, when Gen. Dustam defected to Mujahideen
with 40,000 troops, I read the report in N.Y.Times. The report
was not in the international-news section __ first surprising
observation. The report was right in the editorial pages __
second surprising observation that alerted me to some hanky
panky stuff with the news. The report didn't mention that 
the general had defected to Mujahideen __ glaring ommission
given that our network had the news already that he had indeed
defected to the Mujahids: third pointer. Then the report went
on in an elaborate attemp describing Dustam's connections
with Uzbeks, proportion of Uzbeks in Afghanistan, and how
he will align himself and the area with Uzbekistan. Then 
it detailed the Tajikistan and Tajiks living in Afghanistan
and how they will join Tajikistan. Similarly with Afghan 
Pathans joining with Pakistan and Hazara Afghans joining
with Iran __ a perfect recipe, a typical product of the
cunning British mind influencing, yet again, US policy.

This was the policy guide line for all pro-US reporters. Sure
enough we see Shameem Akhtar in Dawn, april 4, parotting the
above policy line. Same idea we see just reverbreting in the
Newsweek, Time and other cohorts.

Why break away of Afghanistan is crucial to State Dept?

A united and strong Afghanistan will have close links with
Pakistan __ recall all those millions of Afghanis in Pakistan
and use of Pakistan as lauch pad for 12 years.

The central Asian republics will get one of the only
thing missing for their economic progress. Yes, that
same warm water link to arabian sea which will reduce their
land distance to any other main ocean by half. The same
warm water access for which USSR tried invain.

With their fairy-tale remarkable self-propelled action 
to liberate Afghanistan, Afghans will provide an inspiring
 nucleaus to the whole region. 
This will take out  the central asian republics
from their inferiority complex as a result of
suddenly finding themselves independent, without any effort. 
They can easily own Afghan experience as their own because
Afghans are very closely related to them as explained above.
and this will give them a self-confidence they are lacking in
their re-building effort.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 04:32:03 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Prof. Iqbal Azeem, anyone.....a request

Salam Alaikum :   Iqbal Azeem

          'Kalkatte ka jo zikr kiya tone hamnashi'
Mulahaza ho :
            'chamke to hai suraj ki tarah husn tumhara
             laikin ye samgh rakhio ke suraj bhi dhaley hai
             kiya poocho hu ham khana badhousoun ki kahani
             mitti ka dia rukh pai hawaun ke jalae hai

             Ye nazar nazar nahi hai ye fareb hai nazar ka
             na ise samagh sake tum na samagh saka zamana

             Qafas walo qafas ka muqam pahchano
             yahin say rah nikalti hai Ashine ki     prof iqbal azeem.

                                 Baqi Ainda   Allah Hafiz.

      Usatad Qamar jalalwi ke kutch ashar agar ki ko yad hun :

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Good Logic     
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:15:09 GMT

From: zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Z. Kazmi)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:45:48 GMT

>So, it is not our duty to prove that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was not a
>prophet. It is your responsibility to prove him the prophet of God.
>If you are unable to prove that then either you are wrong or incapable
>of. In both the cases we are not the one to be blamed.

So Christians, Jews and Hindus cannot be blamed becaused we muslims 
are 'incapable' of  proving the truth of Holy Prophet Hazrat
 Muhammad(PBUH).

>May God show us both the way to his will.

Ameen