From: kniaz@cat1.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.200447.18102@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.173206.8674@u.washington.edu>, liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
><
><In my opinion, the reason for most Chinese nationals in the US not to return
><to China at 
><this moment or in the future is UNCERTAINTY rather than immediate danger
><if they return.
><Not many people are saying that they will be arrested or harassed if they
><return, however,
>
>Not true.  Just ask any INS (Immigration and Naturalisation Service) officer.

	If the poster has this fear, then who are you to deny its legitimacy
	for him/her or for anyone?

><most people are not sure what kind of future they will face after they have
><been brain-
><washed by 'Western Freedom'.
>
>What matters here is $$$$$$$, not freedom.  There's not necessarily anything
>wrong with that, but there is something wrong with lying about it.

	Again, you are implying that all those who wish to remain here
	for political reasons are lying.  Some may be.  Some may not.
	So what?  

><As a netter pointed out, China
><is not
><governed by LAW, it is under the control of a bunch of people.
>
>So is this wonderful United $tates of Amerika to which these people seek to
>immigrate.

>					--Scott

	To even try to compare the executive powers of the American presidency
	with those of the Chinese Premiership is a ridiculous idea.  The checks 
	and balances that exist between the branches of the U.S. Government, while
	skewed at this time toward the executive, make your implication completely
	baseless.  You may have some [academic] knowledge of Chinese or American 
	politics, but it is clear that your actual experience with the U.S. legal 
	and political system is limited.  Anyone knowing anything about the 
	realities of U.S. politics or who has had any actual experience within 
	this legal/political system would never make this ridiculous comparison.

	Why doesn't the fact that you are contradicting people with experience 
	living both here and in China bother you?  If they have lived in China 
	and in the United States,  who are you to question their ability to
	make their own evaluations?   Are they all lying, or just mentally  
	incapable of making their own evaluations?  Does your obviously 
	negative impression of U.S. politics make you any more capable of
	determining how happy they have actually been living here?  This is an 
	extremely patronizing attitude coming from someone obviously unable to 
	appreciate their experience.

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