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From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:13:06 GMT


I work full time. My son is almost 18 mos old and has been in daycare since
he was 7 weeks old. There were several things that contributed to my decision
to work in spite of certain criticism -- more from friends & acquaintences than
relatives.

The biggest reason is that I feel Zack will be a happier better adjusted child
for spending the day with people that are not pacing the floor going slowly
crazy because they are _STUCK_AT_HOME_. Or being dragged here and there in
a car seat because his mom _HAS_TO_GET_OUT_ and really needs some time alone.
Other reasons include paying on the mortgage, buying food -- but saninty is
the big one. It isn't even a matter of loving little kids or not. 

It is a matter of how you define yourself --  in relation to someone else, or 
for qualities and interests you posess. I could never feel a person if I 
defined myself totally by who I married or who my kids were. I enjoy being
known for what I've learned how to do.

As it is Andrew & I have a great time with Zack when we get home at night and
on weekends. Vacation times are scheduled so we do a lot of "family stuff", but
also so each of us adults gets a couple of hours a day where we can do adult
stuff by ourselves.

I don't think this disqualifies us from being parents. Zack certainaly knows
who his folks are. He is also a very self assured little boy who sizes up a
situation with his thumb in his mouth leaning on a safe adult. We talk with
him, tell stories, look at books, roll on the floor, build with duplo. He has
a very conversational babble that borders on making sense.

Someone else said that what a kid needs is an adult to rely totally on. Zack has
that in both Andrew & I. But the most important lesson we are giving him is
you have to take care of your self without out being either totally selfish
or totally submersing yourself on behalf of someone else.
From: geoffrion@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: merrimac.1992Apr6.123959.1562
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

In article <1992Apr6.125355.19481@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, cmaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia L Maher) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.061555.16818@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephanie Mia Hawkins) writes:
>>
>>like an earlier poster (taylor marie's mommy), i am a collector
>>of names.  anybody care to share their favourite irish girls'
>>names?  
>>
>>stephanie
> 
> I am currently starting my sixth month of pregnancy for my third child, and I
> am looking for Irish names too!  However, I am looking for boys' names.  If
> the baby is a girl, it will either be Shannon Kathleen or Megan Kathleen or
> possibly Megan Mackenzie (which I don't think is Irish, but it sounds good).
>                ^^^^^^^^^ is an Irish surname, sometimes used as a first name. 
> If anyone knows of some interesting Irish boys' names, please post!  (We do,
> of course, have some time to decide!)
Our son's name is Declan Patrick (my FIL is from County Kerry), but other names
we considered were:
			Brendan		Liam
			Finn		Donnall
			Seamus		Eammon
			Connor		Brian
		
Some girls names:
			Nora		Rose
			Sionnaid	Shiobhan
			Derval		Fiona (or Fionuala)

Unfortunately, some of the names that look prettiest in Gaelic don't always
look/sound well in English and going the route of strictly transliterating 
can give you some well-nigh unpronounceable results!

Good luck--let us know what you choose!

**kath**

			geoffrion@merrimack.edu
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From: judy@huxley.UUCP (Judy Boxer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: FAQ requesters please include email address
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:10:54 GMT
Organization: Bitstream, Inc., Cambridge, MA

When you request a copy of a FAQ file, could you please include
your return email address?  I'm finding a large number of files
get returned when I "reply".  Thanks!
   Judy Boxer (judy@bitstream.com)
     [Keeper of the Babyproofing Ideas FAQ]
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: musically inclined?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:39:48 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


My one year old cannot resist dancing to any and every bit of music she hears.
She seems to be able to have enough "rythm" to dance slow to slow music and 
fast to the beat of faster music (which she prefers by the way). Is this typical
for a one year old child or do I have a budding musician/dancer?
ne
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Safety expert suggestion
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.184354.10026
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell) says:

>On Prime Time Live last night, they had a story on someone who gives
>street survival classes. He had one suggestion that I thought was
>appropriate to misc.kids.
>
>He suggested telling your children that if they were walking home
>from school and someone started to follow them they should start
>running but first DROP their bookbag. He commented that heavy
>bookbags could slow them down. This seemed like good advice.

     The best advice I've heard is to just walk up to the closest house and
pretend that it's yours - that might make the person leave you alone.
     Of course, how do you teach your kids to figure out when someone is follow-
ing them and when their just walking along the same road?  One idea is to
quicken your pace slightly, and see if the person copies.  If it's not a busy
street, another is to cross right away and see if the person follows you.
     This stuff isn't vitally important, since I think (though I forget the
stat for sure) something like 2-3% of all kidnappings are by strangers, so you
don't want to make your kids too scared, but they should know how to act if
there is something suspicious.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kerry@cavebbs.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Subject: Re: how many diapers do you use in a day for a newborn
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 11:37:20 GMT

In article <49398@athertn.Atherton.COM> caroline@athertn.Atherton.COM (Caroline Shuttle) writes:
>Hi, it's me again.  Just so I can budget (I know all children are different)
>but a ball park figure would help...
>
>How many diapers does a newborn go through in a day.  And how much
>formula, lets say, cans (liquid) or powered containers.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Caroline 
>

Oops!!!! I am here all ready to answer, and I get to the bit about formula.....Sorry , don't know about that, but a breatfest baby should produce 6 - 8 really wet or dirty nappies a day :-)
 
Something to look forward to, eh? :-)  Hope this helps....Kerry
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:40:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.76qj7l+
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr7.213546.7843@cbfsb.cb.att.com> dal3@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (dale.e.parson) writes:
>>
>
>LLL a few times for advice during our 1st kid's early days. The first
>few days are the most hectic, nothing like listening to your firstborn's
>cries when there's no milk & very little colostrum. Of course many
>doctors will start pushing (just a little formula...uh huh...)
>during such times, but LLL will staunchly advise, "hold out, milk's
>a comin'". Milk arrived, everything was fine. They're probably less
>necessary if you have a pediatrician who REALLY supports nursing
>but most pediatricians DON'T, they pay lip service only, and advise you
>to stop nursing at the first problem (e.g., diarrhea, sleeplessness,
>crankiness, etc. ad infinitum). Of course the best solution here is
>to ditch the pediatrician, but if you're not ready for that & need
>moral support when making your decision to ignore an ignorant pediatrician,
>call your local LLL volunteer.
>
Yes, pretty typical of the fanaticism of some LLL members. If your
pediatrician notices your baby drying up and tries to prevent it,
s/he is "ignorant" and should be "ditched". In fact, anyone who
disagrees with your fanatical notions is, by definition, ignorant.

This is a topic that merits serious thought, not knee-jerk notions
that breast feeding is *always* better, in all circumstances, than
bottle feeding. Yes, you should try hard to breast feed exclusively
in the first few days, but your baby is a human being, and *needs
fluids* to survive. If you can't provide that, it is not OK to
just deprive him/her because LLL tells you to. 

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Children and freedom of choice (was Re: Working full-time out of choice
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:01:25 GMT

In article <32565@darkstar.ucsc.edu> larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee) writes:
>We have no reason to fault other people's personal life
>choices--life is just too complicated to transfer simple, blanket
>solutions blindly to people we have never met. 

Yet we do it all the time.  We pass laws limiting people's personal life 
choices.  We make economic decisions determining people's life choices.  And
where children are concerned, we claim that we, as a society, have the right
to not only fault other people's personal life choices, but interfere with 
them.

So as long as this is the case, I think healthy discussion on the net is
invaluable.  We're not talking about whether or not it is better to use
wood panelling or stucco on your home's exterior.  We're talking about how
it is best to raise the future generation and what will make a better, 
healthier, stronger society.  Tell me, are you happy with the way the first
front of baby boomers turned out and how they managed society in the 80's?
Was that for our country's best interest?  Do you want to rear another similar
generation?

When I was growing up, religious freedom meant that I never went to a doctor
even when I had pertussis or when I broke my arm.  That religious freedom no
longer applies today.  Society has said to my family and their religion,
"you don't have this choice where children are concerned".  The state of 
California requires that a sick child be attended by a physician.  Refusal
results in criminal liability and jail.  Boom, one choice gone.

We live in an economy where the majority of the people are unable to live on
one income.  Nor do we have affordable day care.  So both parents have to work
and children are delegated to less than ideal quality care.  Boom, another
choice gone.

Sure, it's nice to say, "Hey, like I really dig cultural diversity and everyone
should do her own thing", but that is not the reality of the society in which
we live.  We have, as a society, taken upon us the mantel of caring for ALL
children, our own and other people's.  We have taken upon us the mantel of
determining what is best for ALL kids.  

Now, do you agree that this is a choice our society should be making?  If not,
then lots stop doing it.  If so, then let's talk about what's best for these
kids.  If we are talking about a range, so be it.  If we are talking specifics,
so be it.  But the kids can't talk for themselves.  They're babies.  So we
look into our own childhoods and talk for them from what we can remember.
People spend careers studying thousands of children and print studies which
talk for them.

We NEED to have this conversation.  If it degenerates into a touch too much
emotionalism, or if people aren't always "nice", well so what?  Better a few
flames than sweep this under the rug. 
-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:36:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

tios_ll@tac.fi writes:
>>Anybody with 4 out there?  What's it like?
>
>When I had only one, without her the house always seemed so quiet.
>When I had two, with only 1 the house always seemed so quiet.
>When I had three, with only 2 the house always seemed so quiet.
>Now I have four, and with only 3, the house always seems so quiet.
>
>My mother had five, and she says that with only 4, the house always 
>seemed so quiet...  
>
>Maybe you stop noticing the difference after 10 or so, but who knows?
>
>Liisa 						(Tampere, Finland)

That's so funny.  I remember when I had my second, then when I'd
get out of the house with just one I felt like it was so easy.  Now
I have three and when I get out with only the two pre-schoolers I
feel like I'm free!  Plus I remember feeling so wiped out by my first
baby.  But the other day when my older two were at a friends, I
wondered what mothers of only one do all day!  Just me and the baby
had nothing to do.

		--  maggie
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: I want MOMMY do it!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 22:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.114521.13276@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>
>Amen to this!  We also have a new (well, 5 1/2 months "new") baby and a 3 year
>old.  I've found that it is all too easy to get caught up in tasks and chores
>and forget about how radically life has changed for the older sibling from when
>life was a couple (him and me) affair.  So we started some little
>rituals--breakfast out together every Sunday just the two of us, he goes with
>me to get groceries, since he is the big helper of the family, etc.  Last
>Sunday we took ourselves to the annual fair and had a wonderful time: popcorn
>and orange soda at 10 a.m., petting all the animals and the wonderful discovery
>that at last somebody else in my family likes the giant Ferris wheel! :)
>
>Ann Helmers

This is terrific.  Let me warn you, though, that in short order number 2 is 
going to be aware of, and quite jealous of these ritual breakfasts and number
1 being the big helper of the family.  Be aware!  You may want to start
having special #2 and me events now so this doesn't become a big shock later.

Remember, when #2 becomes aware, #2 is at the "I am the center of the universe
and everything is MINE" stage.  This stage, I have found, doesn't sit well with
the big brother.  

-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: nol2105@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil (Robert E. Zabloudil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tumbling 23 mo old??
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:28:17 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

In article <1992Apr13.205829.25031@pony.Ingres.COM> dchan@Ingres.COM (Doug Chan x2686) writes:
>Our 23 month old seemed to have discovered tumbling.  She bends over
>from the waist, puts her head on the floor, and pushes off with her
>legs...  It seemed harmless enough and I thought that it was kinda
>cute ( yeah, I know, I think everything Sarah does is cute!! ).  
>
>Anyways, my wife is a bit concerned about the relative safety of 
>tumbling.  Are we being over-protective, or is this something
>we should discourage??  So far, I have been holding her legs as
>Sarah tries to "flip" over and that makes my wife and I feel a bit easier;

I'm sure you've removed obstacles like tables and chairs, or you have a special
room for tumbling.  The thicker the carpeting on the floor, the more she'll
enjoy her accidents.

I always tried to get my kids moving.  I would carefully tumble them myself
as babies, tellinbg them what I was doing, until they were old enough to
decide themselves if they wanted to.

We were never able to check out tumbling clubs, etc., although when my oldest
was 4 our local high school where we then lived had an "open house" for
kids, using the high school girls team as spotters.  She enjoyed it 
thoroughly.

They're now 13, 11, and 9, and seem to be none the worse for wear 8^).
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Things they do (21 months)
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:07:10 MDT
Summary: loud music and fear
Keywords: rock and roll
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

     Yesterday I was in the bathroom, and Michael was playing by
himself in the living room.  I realized by the sounds that I'd left
the stereo cabinet unlocked.  I could hear him getting cassette tapes
out and stuff like that.  He wouldn't come when I called him.

     Then I heard the "pop" that means the stereo has just been turned
on.  Music started blasting out at full volume.  (The receiver was
tuned to a classic rock station.)  A second or two later I heard
Michael start to cry, and he came running into the bathroom, panic on
his face and a forgotten cassette in one hand.

     I probably shouldn't have been laughing when I returned from
shutting the stereo off.  A few minutes later, when I was picking up
the tapes, I said, "Michael leave this alone now?"  He nodded.  "Do
you want to listen to some music?"  Nod.

     He hasn't bothered the cabinet since, so I'm hoping.

(18 weeks and counting to #2)
-- 
Patrick S. Clark
slb3y@cc.usu.edu
From: eberle@gdls.UUCP (Kathy Eberle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Excessive Morning Sickness--FAQL?
Summary: Try Popsicles
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:25:27 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

In article <1992Apr6.184150.15112@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
> I am now in my eighth week of pregnancy and extremely ill; haven't
> been able to keep much of anything down; doesn't seem to be a pattern
> to what I can keep down.  I am weak but very hungry; this is annoying
> ... 
> Any hints about what to eat/not to eat, and medicinal (although of
> course I would have to get approval from the OB) or non-medicinal
> remedies would help.  
> ... 
> Thanks in advance from a very hungry and hurting person.

I was the same way.  I don't think there are any remedies, at least neither I 
or my doctor (who also had terrible morning sickness herself) could find any.  
She gave me a shot of a vitamin, I think vitamin K.  It didn't help.  But she 
also told me to try eating popsicles and that was all I could keep down for 
awhile.  Maybe it's something about the cold, I don't know.  They also give you
a lot of fluids and sugar to keep you going. 

Hang in there, it will eventually end and you'll feel better again!

Kathy Eberle
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (Sharon Badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Req Repost of 1st Baby Needs
Keywords: 1st Baby
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:30:03 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@vader.att.com
Distribution: misc.kids
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, Co.

In article <aar.702844434@biometrics>, aar@ph.albany.edu (Andrew Reilly) writes:
|> 
|> 	Would the person who so carefully listed useful things for a first
|> baby please either repost the article (or mail it directly to me?).  I
|> found it wonderful but now it is lost....

Repost please! The responses showed up on my machine, but the original
article never did! My sister works with baby product distributors. She can
get me stuff at cost. I just have to figure out what I need before the
baby arrives in August!

-- 
Sharon Badian
seb1@vader.att.com or seb1@druhi.att.com
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent of an infant
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:02:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65559
Distribution: misc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:

>When you find yourself saying "Wow! That was a *great* burp!" to your
>adult friend without thinking...
>
>			---Kayvan
When you tell everyone you talk to your baby pooped today!  It is a big
event around here since it only happens about once a week!

		--  maggie
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From: karen@brahms.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Other Goofy Songs (was Re: Worm song?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:22:31 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA

Dave J. Johnsen writes:
>ErtzCMK writes:
>>
>>Here's another request:  Does anyone know the words for 
>>"The Unicorn Song"? 

We've got all but one verse.  Anyone want to add it?

>(Sung in a heavy Irish brogue)
>
>A long time ago when the the earth was green,
>There was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen.
>There were cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
>Don't you forget the unicorns.
>	There was green aligators and long necked geese
>	some humpty back camels and some chimpanees
>	Cats and rats and elephants but sure as you're born,
>	the loveliest of all was the unicorn.

Now God saw man sinnin', and it gave him a pain.
So he said, "Stand back!  I'm going to make it rain!"
He said, "Hey, Brother Noah, tell you what to do;
Build me a floating zoo.

"And get some of those green alligators, and long-necked geese
Some humpy-back camels and some chimpanzees.
Some cats and rats and elephants, and sure as you're born,
Don't you forget my unicorn."

>Old noah was there to answer the call,
>he finished up making the ark just as the rain started falling
>He marched in the animals two by two,
>And he called out as they went through.
                                          "Hey Lord!

>	I've got your green alligators and long necked geese,
>	Your humpty back camels and your chimpanzees.
>	Your cats and rats and elephants, but lord I'm so forlorn,
>	I just can't see no unicorns.

>Old Noah looked out through the driving rain
>But the unicorns was hiding playing silly games
Kicking and splashing, while the rain was falling.
Oh, those silly unicorns.

>...
>The waters came down and sort of floated them away,
>and that's why you never see a unicorn to this very day.
>(Sadly)
>	You'll see green aligators and long necked geese,
>	Some humpty back camels and some chimpanzees
>	Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
>	You're never gonna see a unicorn.

Karen Black
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From: ericw@brahms.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:57:53 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

test, please ignore
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