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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:03:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.211043.11313@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>jac54@cas.org writes:
>
>>>Would you post a list of the arms the US sold Iraq?  I saw a lot of
>>>Mirages and T-72s, but not many M-60s or F-16s in Iraq's arsenal.
>
>>      A good point Don, it's the claim that will not die.
>>
>>      I've had a look at the 1992 World Defence Almanac which uses
>>      data compiled by SIPRI (I think) and the only U.S. equipment
>>      I could find mention of were some M-113s.  Otherwise the list
>>      includes:
>
>       [ list of foreign arms bought on open market deleted ]
>
>>      Should this list be completed and made part of the FSA (frequent
>>      stupid allegation) file?
>
>
>Let's not forget two very important commodities :
>
>               (1)             money
>
>               (2)             information
>
>
>Both are preferred by covert operators, because they are harder to trace.

	I'm inclined to disagree with this statement.  Look at the fun
	everybody is having with BCCI when it comes to tracing money.
	Tracking illegal movement of money is a fine art that the FBI
	and the Secret Service (ergo Treasury) are both very good at.
	In addition, you don't need to find the money, just the paper
	trail.  Information is even more dangerous stuff.  Influence and
	hardware are much more useful.

>
>Both George Bush and Saddam Hussein are covert operators, and they have
>a well-established and well-documented relationship with one another, as
>existed between Manuel Noriega and George Bush.
>
>There's no proof that such exchanges happened. At least, not publically.
>But don't let that persuade you that it never happened. There is a lot
>of evidence, and it will only accumulate as the years pass.
>
>
	Indeed, let's get the information before we rush to judgement.

	Alec Chambers.
From: patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Vincennes/Bush's UN speech
Keywords: Vincennes,Bush,UN,Iranian territorial waters,Airbus flightpath
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:36:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Is it true that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters
and the airbus was within a civilian flightpath?
 
Is it true that VP Bush told the UN that the Vincennes was not in
territorial waters and the airbus was not in a civilian flightpath.
 
If the world economy is going to be based on oil then I would agree
that measures must be taken to keep the Gulf open to shipping but
that is not the issue I want to confront here.
 
Love,
Zemu
 
"Give a man a fish and he'll fish for a day." - J Danforth Quayle
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Green peace [con]fusion
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:51 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.001316.16578@pony.Ingres.COM>, rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
> neutrons.  Helium will diffuse into outer space if released into the
> atmosphere.

	But will it be enough to make us talk funny?
:D

Brett                                                      
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From: JPY101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Need info on IRA in Northern Ireland and Great Britain
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:21:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Anyone with information regarding any aspect of the IRA, please contact.
I need info for a paper on Irish activism.  The IRA cause seems valid, but
I need more info.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: "We're Number One"
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:45:21 GMT

harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>U.S. NONWHITE            **93,569**                   **155.7** 
>UNITED STATES           **202,843**                    **81.0** 

So, are you saying that non-white US citizens are more likely to be
homosexual, iv-drug users, or promiscuous than white citizens are?

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:47:03 EST
Followup-To: alt.activism,misc.activism.progressive
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.044032.9744@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>     "WASHINGTON-- 90% of American families pay more in federal taxes
>     now than they would if the tax laws existing in 1977 had been left
>     in place, Citizens for Tax Justice reported Thursday.

	You know, if you would crosspost, I wouldn't have to respond to this a
hundred times.  Or are you simply posting it a hundred times? :)

	Bogus stats in, bogus results out.  (First law of bogusity.)

Brett                                                      
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From: v081kb76@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael F Chicarelli)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Fuel & costs of production
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <dliebman.1mxw@terapin.com>, dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman) writes...
>In article <1992Sep24.172705.4342@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu
>(Stupendous Man) writes:
>>In article <Bv31Ar.EtE@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
>>writes:
>>> 
>>>   Sorry, the US is just inefficient with oil; there's no nice political or
>>>   philosophical way to whitewash this over.
>>
>>
>>       Not that we shouldn't, or can't be more efficient, just that our
>>geography necessitates more travel for some things.
>>
> 
>in what way does our geography necessitate that, for example, toothpaste
>which is produced in ohio ends up on supermarket shelves in new mexico?
> 
>ah, yes.  it is those vast stretches of conglomerate.
> 
>-dave
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17413 talk.politics.drugs:6734 talk.politics.guns:22028
From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:41:55 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


Fischer@li.serum.kodak.com writes:

"If this had happened with Larry Agran, Harel would have flooded the net ..."

I really wish people would stop associating Agran with Harel. Those of us
who supported Agran because his policies seemed like the most rational
post-cold-war proposals to come out of the Democratic primary, and those
in Orange County who supported him because he proved more than equable
in his solving of their problems, and the mayors of the country who unanimously
proclaimed him the candidate who would do the best job of solving the
problems of urban America - we all find the continued association of Larry
Agran with Harel to be as irritating as the LP finds it when people
associate it with Lyndon LaRouche.

That said, I agree that Marrou should absolutely not have been
excluded from the debate. And for the St. Louis police to bar him
from entering the CSPAN studio was obscene, and I hope it went out
over the channel that their guest was being denied entry by a bunch
of armed thugs acting as government officials.

It was wrong to do it to Agran and it is wrong to do it to Marrou.

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth,soc.women
From: deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Hobbit)
Subject: Re: Transfer of Blame
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:38:50 GMT

John 1:42 <IO20371@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:


>     The way to stop the spread of this horrible disease is a change in the way
> that society behaves.  Drug use and promiscuious sex are the leading causes of
> the spread of AIDS, and we have to inform people of this.  Condoms and drug
>legalization are not going to stop the disease.  Abstinence and halting of all
>drug use will.  It seems to me that ACT-UP is more concerned with a vaccine to
>stop the spread of AIDS just so they can experience sex without worrying about
>AIDS.


While I agree with most of what this person has to say, this paragraph needs 
work.  Legalization *will* help.  Condoms *will* help.  I would urge every-
one to support legalization (to facilitate the use of *sterile* equipment
rather that dirty equipment); those inclined to do AIDS related drugs will
do them anyhow.  Legalization might even take away fear that an addict
will be arrested if s/he seeks treatment for drug abuse.  Condoms and their
use (*USE*) will help prevent AIDS.  While I agree that abstinance or monogamy
will limit spread of the disease (and is morally correct), people *won't* 
abstain.  Get the condoms and the education behind them out there.  The 
biggest failure with the condom is misuse.  There are a lot of styles out
there, some even intended for monogamous (married?) couples, but not all
of them appropriate to prevent AIDS.

Educate and de-regulate.  This will change society.  Inspire morals within
a family or group, not from government.  Throwing morals at people and 
their problems doesn't work any better than throwing money at them.


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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade for Men
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero)
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:45:44 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA

In article <judi.718481636@glia>, judi@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Jude) writes:
|> In <15980056@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
|> 
|> >	We are attempting to overturn very sexist laws which deny men the
|> >right to decline fatherhood in this age of "reproductive freedom" for women.
|> 
|> >	A man's life, future and wallet are currently in the hands of his 
|> >female partner if she gets pregnant and decides to have the child contrary
|> 
|> If she gets pregnant?  Please remember that it takes both a man and a woman to 
|> conceive a child and that a woman cannot do this single handedly.  

  No, but right now, she has all the choice. If she decides she wants the
child, even if there was a prior agreement to abort an accidental pregnancy,
she will keep the child and the man is forced to pay. Likewise, if (as
happaned to me) she decides to abort the child despite a prior agreement to
continue the pregnancy, again she does as she wishes and the man has
no choice (and still gets financially bludgeoned  in the resulting divorce).  
This assigns all choice to one gender and all costs to the other.

  It does indeed take both a man and a woman to create a pregnancy. If the woman
has the inalienable right to walk away from that pregnancy than so should
the man. If a man cannot force a woman to be a parent, then a woman should
not be able to force a man to be a parent.

  Fair is fair.




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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: ==> Clinton/Gore Electronic Communications Sites
Date: 17 Oct 1992 04:28:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I disagree strongly with those who object to the posting of Clinton
position papers here (notwithstanding that I consider Clinton almost
as big a slime as Bush.) I see many K of material come through this
newsgroup daily, posted by those with some political axe to grind. I
think the Clinton people are doing us a service by making an effort to
distributed these positions by their candidate. I only wish the other
candidates would do so as well. Anybody who doesn't want to read it should
learn t ouse their "n" key, or equivalent.

-Steve
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: High costs of college education
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:00:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct12.162257.7829@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>In article <EeqCZmG00WDJ04V1lE@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>: >        We are asking you to participate in a nationwide peaceful
>>: >demonstration against the high costs of college education.
>
>>:   But note that this is nearly the same as demonstrating FOR more
>>:   tax funding for higher education.
>>
>>This is sadly true, in that its how the politicians will view it.  The
>>reason education costs have skyrocketed is because of the continual
>>increase in Federal scholarship money.

>I would vigorously deny that this is why college costs are rising.  In general,
>education costs have been rising over the last 40 years because the people who
>do the work have been getting more pay.  When I was a teaching assistant, we
>received $1800 for 9 months and paid income taxes and fees on top of this.
>Today, the average teaching assistant gets about $9,000 for 9 months, doesn't
>pay income tax or fees.  Faculty and administrative costs have gone up at
>least as much.

  Can someone document changes in faculty pay with respect to inflation,
  taxes, and the amount of work performed?   So afr all we've seen on
  this topic is speculation and anecdotes (as the above).

>Any school increasing fees to get more federal money would probably find their
>budgets end up even lower still.

  Maybe so, but as on the health-care issue most of what gets posted here
  is anecdote and speculation.

  And I'm STILL waiting for advocates of increased funding to tell us
  whee the money should come from -- i.e., what other programs should be
  cut or whose taxes should be raised.


---peter
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Oct 92 18:22 PDT
Subject: Re: White Deer Speaks on Somalia
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500404:cdp:1296500405:000:142
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct  7 18:22:00 1992


Please see the conference soc.cult.africa for response to this post
with more info on donations to this particular walk, and on the t-shirts.
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.160751.1550@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>                     ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?

>          apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7, 
>          which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the 
>          ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, 
>          and man became a living Soul.". 

A sound, logical counter to the anti-abortion lunies with their own weapon.

>               Another thing to consider is that each of us is 
>          surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an 
>          "AURA".

Shot right to hell with the very worst kind of pseudo-science.
You should've stuck with the Bible, not even fundies are dumb
enough to believe in Cayce.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,alt.conspiracy,misc.progressive,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,soc.veterans,talk.politics.misc
From: seraphim@ais.org (Henry Hardy)
Subject: The Prisoners
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Summary: New POW/MIA hearings on technical intelligence and a covert mission
Keywords: POW,MIA,Kerry,Smith,Senate,hearings,CIA,DIA,government,USA,corruption
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:57:05 GMT

Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

United States Senate		Washington, D. C. 		(202) 224-2306

	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE				October 7, 1992



		COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE SATELLITE IMAGERY

		   AND COVERT OPERATION OCTOBER 15-16	

WASHINGTON -- Markings on buildings and the terrain in Southeast Asia will
be evaluated as evidence of possible links to U. S. POW/MIAs at hearings
on October 15 and 16, Chairman John F. Kerry, D-Mass., and Vice Chairman
Bob Smith, R-NH, announced today. The Committee also will examine a covert
operation mounted on the basis of such information.

	The hearing begins at 9:30 a. m. on October 15 in room 216 of
	the Hart Senate Office Building.

The witnesses include DIA and JSSA intelligence analysts and others. For
an up-to-date list, please call 202/224-2166.

_Portions of the October 15 and 16 sessions will be closed, including the
portion dealing with the covert operation_. Decisions about what information
must be examined in secret are made by the Executive Branch. The Committee's
members have worked to keep hearings open, and they will meet with reporters
following the hearings to answer whatever questions they can, within the
rules governing classifiedinformation.

At issue are markings examined by the DIA and CIA in 1973, 1976, 1980, 1987,
1988, 1992 to determine whether they could be distress signals. Number and
leter codes were given to pilots duing the war to help recover downed pilots
and idenitify possible detention sites. Typically, these codes were classified
and changed periodically.

---
This material is in the public domain, and is posted as a public service by
seraphim@ais.org.
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From: mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:52:26 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

>>head and looked away, ignoring it. Lets face it, the Republiclones armed
>>Saddam, they are at total fault and bear total responsibility for the
>>whole thing happening in the first place.
>
Would you post a list of the arms the US sold Iraq?  I saw a lot of
Mirages and T-72s, but not many M-60s or F-16s in Iraq's arsenal.   

Just curious,

-- 
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mcgredo@prism.cs.orst.edu|  what I am."
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,bit.listserv.politics
Subject: ==> Alert! IMPOSTOR posting as Clinton For President
Supersedes: <92290.162534U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 21:02:39 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Information in the public interest which does not imply that it
is the opinion of UIC.  Contact 75300.3115@compuserve.com for
further information.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Subject: Alert!  IMPOSTOR is posting as Clinton For President

Readers,

        Compuserve user id: 73266,3110  is NOT CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT

Please report any bogus posts by this UID.  I will send copies to
Compuserve management until this situation is corrected.

Thank you very much
Jock Gill
Clinton/Gore HQ
Little Rock AR

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: The "Education" President
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:58:59 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Oct13.035941.18547@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>The Decline of America: The "Education" President

>Of the 19 major industrial nations,the U.S. ranks:

>17th in public spending on education.
> 1st in private spending on education.

I think this really sums up Harel's attitude on the way things work.
Harel is an unabashed socialist - not only is it bad that we are 17th
in public spending on education, but it is also bad, not good, that we
are first in private spending.

Meanwhile, the total amount of money spent is irrelevant - the
important question is how much of it is spent by the government
because big government is good in and of itself... right, Harel?

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