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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Flames in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:31:57 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr14.184533.14346@pmafire.inel.gov> From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)

> ray@hpcndsst.CND.HP.COM (~Raymond Caruso) writes in misc.jobs.offered
> (quoting someone else):

> What sort of things to people say to these errant posters?  (I could
> always set up a false account and post a fake resume, but asking seems a
> nicer way to satisfy my curiousity. ;^) )

I send one of two messages

# Votes don't count yet - a news group can not be created for
# at least 60 days and only job postings are to be posted in
# misc.jobs.offered.
# 
# Putting messages in misc.jobs.offered will just get
# people to vote against the creation of such a group.
#
# Please cancel your message.

Guess what this is for :-)

or

# Responses to postings and resumes are inappropriate
# to misc.jobs.offered.  Please cancel it and repost
# it misc.jobs.resumes (for resumes) or misc.jobs.misc
# (for general job discussions).
#
# A number of employers read misc.jobs.offered and
# understand net.ettiquete and will look poorly at such a
# posting.

I keep a list of misc.jobs.offered mis-postings and use them as
# a filter whenever I am screening resumes.


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From: laws@ai.sri.com (Kenneth I. Laws)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Method of mailing resume
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:12:16 GMT
Organization: Computists International
In-reply-to: 527mathers@gw.wmich.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 06:10:40 GMT

> From: 527mathers@gw.wmich.edu
> I was just wondering what the proper method of mailing a resume and
> a cover letter is.  For instance, would it be acceptable to fold the
> documents into thirds and send in a standard letter envelope.  Or
> is it better to send it in a brown large envelope with a clasp on the
> back.

I think you should tilt the stamp slightly to the left.  (SARCASM!)


> I have had troubles finding large, semi-inexpensive envelopes
> that you can just seal shut.

If stationery stores are too expensive, look for a paper warehouse
or self-service wholesaler in your area.  (There are at least three
in Mountain View and Redwood City.  Printers and stationers have to
buy from somewhere.)

Incidentally, fast-track executive candidates often pay for personal
stationery with real engraving.  Don't expect anything less to be
impressive.  Put your effort into the message, not the messenger.

					-- Ken

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From: adesai@skat.usc.edu (Axay Desai*)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Info needed for agencies
Date: 15 Apr 1992 13:10:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

Can anyone please send me the list of the recruitement agencies within
the california. Thanx in advance..please send the mail directly at
following mail address...
adesai@aludra.usc.edu
axaydesa@skat.usc.edu
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From: lindsay@dscatl.UUCP (Lindsay Cleveland)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,atl.jobs,ga.general
Subject: Re: No e-mail replies, and being paid for posting
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: lindsay@dscatl.UUCP (Lindsay Cleveland)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Systems Co,  Atlanta, Ga

In article <b+njavr@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>... AUUG, the finest user group I've ever been a member of...

That's because the members are a fine and friendly bunch.

>(Thanks to Emory University for the donation of space too.)

An important factor in the group's long life and success...the
meetings have been in the same place since the first one in 1985.
The folks at the Emory Computer Center have graciously sponsored
AUUG, allowing it to use the university's excellent auditorium facilities.

>Monthly attendance is in the 200-500 person range.  Because of this 
>audience, we get the best industry has to offer.  

John is generous in his exaggeration!  Attendance runs between 80
and 130 each month (I count the house!), but his comment about the
"best the industry has to offer" is on target.  AUUG members with
interesting "tales to tell" have given talks, and those with industry
"connections" have taken it upon themselves to haul in speakers on
a wide range of topics from a wide range of computer companies.
It is the "volunteerism" on the part of the members that makes AUUG
the fine organization it is, not the efforts of one person.


Cheers,
  Lindsay

Lindsay Cleveland         Digital Systems Co.   Atlanta, Ga
  gatech!dscatl!lindsay     (404) 497-1902
                         (U.S. Mail:  PO Box 1149, Duluth, GA  30136)
From: lj359831@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Lee Jarvie)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Can anyone give me suggestions?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:09:00 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


I'm curious if there is anyone out there (preferrably someone
in Human Resources) who can screen my resume and give suggestions.
I have seen numerous formats for engineers, but I've never been able
to tell what the employer likes the most.  Things things I might be
missing or need to omit.

If anyone is willing to take a look, I'd appreciate it.  Either
post here or send e-mail.

I also have questions about etiquette.  Is posting your GPA
(assuming it's low) a good idea.  I've heard differing views.
Although my GPA is low, I feel I would make an excellent worker.
I admit that engineering didn't come very easy to me at first,
but I have great references from a professor and the employer 
I served my internship through.  How can I effectively get
this info through to an employer?  Also, since I lack the
magical 3-5 years experience, how do I find entry level jobs
or how do I convince someone to hire me regardless?

Anyway, it suffices to say that I have many questions.
If anyone is interested, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Lee Jarvie
lj359831@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: unsuccessful tech. writing search . . .
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:04:30 GMT
Organization: UB

I've been having a slight problem in my job search since graduating in
December . . . To date I have not had one job interview.  I have only 
part-time work experience, as my university does not believe in
co-ops, but part of my work experience is writing introductory user
documents for the computing sites on campus.  I've had several people
look at my resume and insist that it's not the problem.  My degree is
a BA in English and German (joint major) and I've taken technical 
writing coursework here at the university.  I've also taken some 
computer science courses.  I've sent out more resumes over the last 
few months than most people do in a lifetime and am at wit's end.  
Thus far I've had nicely typed letters regretting that due to economic
difficulties the company will not be hiring anyone, that there are 
presently no openings for someone with my qualifications, that the
company is not interested in hiring me at this time, and every other 
way one can possibly state that they are not hiring me.  Can anyone 
offer some suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong?  I've tried 
places as close as a mile from my home and as far as San Diego and as 
remote as Utah.  I realize that having no real-world work experience
is a detriment to anyone wanting to hire me, but the university's
career planning and placement is useless to someone looking for a 
technical writing position, and they've been incompetent at best thus
far.  Therefore I have been sending countless resumes across the 
country on my own, but with no better luck.  My attempts at finding  
a job in Canada have served no other purpose other than to illustrate 
that the people reading resumes there don't even realize that writer 
of technical documentation is listed on the FTA list and have problems
reading the line in my coverletter that mentions that I'm willing to 
become a landed immigrant (I was told by someone on the net that this 
was not the proper term but was used by almost everyone anyway, and 
that he did not know what the proper term was).  In short, I've tried
everything I can think of and still not even an interview.  Any
suggestions, ideas, or possible causes as to why I have reached the
point where last week I received a generic rejection letter folded in
half and stapled closed, not even in an envelope?  


					Thanks in advance.

					Valerie Hammerl
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Entry levels unite
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr8.204058.2400@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> From: lgardner@mac.cc.macalstr.edu

> PLease please please have en entry level newsgroup.
> As a non-CS or tech major
> I'm having a really difficult time finding a full-time position
> (not that CS or
> tech majors have it easy)
> 
> Vote aye for entry level!
> 
> Lisa Gardner



Votes don't count yet - a news group can not be voted for
at least 30 days and only job postings are to be posted in
misc.jobs.offered.

Putting vote messages in misc.jobs.offered will just get
people to vote against the creation of such a group.
So will putting messages in misc.jobs.offered and editing the
Reply-To: line so that messages do not go back to you.

Article delibertly mis-posted in misc.jobs.offered:
[ I normally try to send a mesdsage privately but in this
case a flame is warented ]

# Article 15270 of misc.jobs.offered:
# Path: ra!mimsy!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!tulane!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!mac.cc.macalstr.edu!lgardner
# From: lgardner@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
# Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered
# Subject: Entry level group would be a plus
# Keywords: job misc  entry level
# Message-ID: <1992Apr8.201748.2398@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
# Date: 9 Apr 92 02:17:47 GMT
# Reply-To: entry level mewsgroup approval
# Organization: Macalester College
# Lines: 8
# 
# Personally, I, too would like to see an entry level job posting. Given the
# current job market, we colleg grads need all the help we could get.
# 
# All in favor, say I
# 
# Lisa Gardner
# 
# 
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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Entry Level
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:22:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I would like to vote yes for the entry level news group. I have heard
some good complaints and reasons why we shouldn't have it. On more than
one of these I do agree But I still vote yes!!
                                              Bruce Mccullough
                                              GA INSTITUE OF TECH.
                                              STAFF OIT

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From: marty@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (marty)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Airline engineering positions?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:46:49 GMT
Reply-To: marty@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (marty)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: marty@thumper.cc.utexas.edu

I will graduate in May with a BS in EE and would like to work in the
airline industry.  Does anyone know the availability of engineering
positions within airlines?  I suspect there must be few EE positions,
so any position even remotely related to engineering would be great.

Do you know of anyone working in a technical position at an airline?
If so, doing what?

Also I am interested in programming positions.  There must be lots of
these positions due to airline's having extensive computer systems.

Thanks for the help

Marty

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Subject: Re: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Reply-To: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:36:07 GMT


A particularly awful thing happened a few weeks back when a company
called Touch Communications closed its doors.  According to a co-worker
(whose roomate worked at Touch), not only did the company not pay
it's laid off work force their back pay and vacation money.  They
actually removed pay already electronically deposited in employees'
checking accounts.  They had some loophole in the agreement that
governed automatic deposits that enabled them to pull this one off.

In other words, they were actually free to bank rob their workers,
some of whom had already written checks against funds in their
accounts.

The bottom line - be ready for almost anything.

Sorry to be so negative, but perhaps informing folks will help them
avoid geting quite as burned.

Regards, 

Scott



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From: ananth@wet.UUCP (Sekhar Ananthakrishnan)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Listing academic projects on a resume:A question.
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:51:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


I have a question about listing academic projects on a resume.
 I have completed a large number of projects (excluding my master's thesis)
while attending graduate school and most of them happen to be in the area  
that I am interested in working in (massively parallel processing and
fault tolerant design;mostly hardware). A few of these projects were 
theoretical in nature and involved concepts that I have seldom seen used in
existing computers.I want to know if these projects have any relevance 
in the industry. Is it advisable to include all these projects on the
resume? 

I would appreciate some feedback from people working in the computer 
industry.

Thank you

Sekhar
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: RFD:  misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Keywords: RFD misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <83414@bu.edu> pankaj@pub2.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi) writes:
>	
>
>	Well I for one think that this [1] should not be a problem.
>Granted most of the posting m.j.o. in past have been for positions
>that require experience. However that should not mean that people are
>not looking for fresh graduates to join their organization. The
>channels that are used by large organizations for hiring fresh
>graduates are usually the placement offices at various universities.
>What m.j.o.e. will provide is another channel for the same. What we
>need to do is market this channel as a viable, cheap and a channel
>with a large readership than the ones currently used bu several
>"University Interaction" departments of the major organization. Please
>note that for this we might have to write directly to the managers in
>HR departments to increase awareness of this group. A task that
>shouldn't be to tough to accomplish. Some of us on the net can take
>responsibility to do this for certain section of the industry.
>
   Very good point.  There are a LOT of student users of the nets...
   I wonder if companies might consider the net as a cheaper (and
   more effective I would guess) alternative to the underfunded and
   overworked typical college placement offices.

   It might even be as simple as having those placement offices be
   agressive about pulling hardcopy of new-grad jobs off postings
   and making them widely available.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>How to handle 2-body problem?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:05:30 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> 
> Perhaps there's an FAQ for this group on this question.  Any advice on
> how to handle a 2-body problem?  I have a job offer where my husband doesn't.
> He has a good job where I don't.  Do most people end up just moving to where
> there's one job, and then looking around for another one after that point?
> Or is it reasonable to rely on someone who's given you an offer to help to
> find a job for your spouse?  We can't decide what to do, as having either of
> us unemployed is going to be troublesome!  Any wisdom, help, consolation,
> would be appreciated.
>
>  --Lori

I recently got married and my wife and I had the same problem.  It is a just
a problem that requires a little analysis:

	- Whose job pays more?
	- Are you thinking about having a family?
	- Does one location have a better potential for the other to 
	  find a new job?  

My wife lived in Corpus Christi and worked as an architect.  I live in 
Dallas and work as a software engineer. 

She found a job after 2 months of looking.  In fact, she enjoyed staying home. 
Personally, I think that the economy is recovering.  It is worth taking
a chance.  At worst, the other partner might have to flip burgers. 

On the other hand, I don't recommend a weekend marriage although I can't
speak from personal experience. 

Thank you. 

						Steve Simmons 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:33:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.175438.25931@esds.mdc.com> bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney) writes:
>You may miss out on a really good job if you rule out every company that does
>drug testing.

>I had to take a drug test, and it wasn't any big deal.  It's just a simple
>urine sample.  It's not like a strip search; it's very discrete.

Greg, you're absolutely right.  In fact, if they strap me to a
lie-detector and ask me to state that I am not and never have been a
member of the Communist party, why, I'll go right ahead and do it.
After all it's not like a strip-search or something.  And then if they
want me to swear on a Bible my loyalty to God, Country, and the
Company Way, why, I wouldn't have a problem with that either.  I
wouldn't rule out a good company just because of such a simple thing.

>If you're afraid you can't pass the test, I guess that's another matter, but
>otherwise I would suggest not limiting yourself just because of your high
>principles.

You're right.  What indeed are principles compared to something truly
important like limiting your job possibilities.  I think many Germans
in the late 1930's would have heartily agreed with you also.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: timh@hardwired.Aus.Sun.COM (Tim Hoffman SE  - Western Australia)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: ?Employment placement agencies for computer professionals
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:50:50 GMT
Reply-To: timh@hardwired.Aus.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Hi 

A friend of mine (who doesn't have access to the net 
(Works at an IBM customer site;-))

Has has asked me to post to this newsgroup asking if anyone has a list
of major employment placement agencies, that specialise in Computer Professionals
in the US.

Thanks

Tim
From: vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Entry Level
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:11:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City

hi
I vote 'YES' for entry level news group. Hope to see one soon.
-Rajanikanth
From: Carl.Stone@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Carl Stone)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: High $ Jobs (Recruited)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:39:04 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

CareerLine of Florida would like to announce the following IMMEDIATE job
openings. If you're interested in any of them, please contact us ASAP!

1. Director of Manufacturing

Requirements: BS ME or EE. BS IE will be considered. 10+ years
experience in a high volume electro-mechanical manufacturing facility
supervising 500 employees. Experience in statistic process control,
total quality management and Just in Time work cells.

Job duties will include responsibility for all industrial engineering,
production control and test equipment areas in addition to the direction
of all production.

Salary: Up to $60,000.

The employer wants to hire TODAY, so please hurry!

2. Data Processing Consultant

Requirements: The successful applicant should have 7 or more years
experience in an IBM 3090 environment working with CICS, COBOL, data
comm and DBZ. Program management a plus. Must be familiar with
structured methodologies.

Starting salary to 55K.

3. Senior Programmer

Requirements: The successful applicant should have a BSCS and at least 2
years experience in the banking industry with COBOL, McCormack and Dodge
accounts payable and Computer Associates general ledger packages.

Starting salary to 35K.

4. Senior Programmer

Requirements: The successful applicant should have a BS in Computer
Science and at least 2 years experience in a banking environment with
IBM OS, PEP and ACH.

Salary: to $35,000

5. Software Engineer

Requirements: The successful applicant should have a BSEE or BSCS and 5
or more years experience developing software/firmwire in real time with
embedded processors using C language.

Starting salary to 45K.

6. Senior Programmer

Requirements: The successful applicant should have a BS in Computer
Science with 2 or more years experience in the banking industry.
Experience with IBM OS, CICS, command, DB2 and deposits is required.

Starting salary to 35K.

7. Industrial Engineering Manager

Requirements: BS IE preferred, BS ME considered. 10+ years experience in
a medium/large electro-mechanical manufacturing environment. A classical
IE background with JIT, line balancing and work cell experience desired.

Salary: to $50,000

This employer wants to hire NOW, so please hurry!

8. Senior Systems Analyst

Requirements: The successful applicant should have a BSCS with 6+ years
experience in CICS, COBOL, IBM 3090, data comm, DBZ and Full Life Cycle
preferred.

Starting salary to 50K.

For more information, please contact:

Carl Stone
CareerLine of Florida
1211 North Westshore Blvd
Suite 505
Tampa, Florida  33607

(813) 281-2636 Voice
(813) 281-2639 Fax


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