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From: jdd@wheezer.wustl.edu (John DeHart)
Subject: Re: result:  Braves 3, Pirates 2
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:37:42 GMT

In article <Oct.15.10.48.25.1992.12453@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.040317.12412@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shark) writes:
>
>> Atlanta won a thrilling come-from-behind victory by scoring three runs in
>> the bottom of the ninth to beat the Pirates 3-2 and win the NL pennant.  
>> GO BRAVES!!!
>
>As I sat in my chair, stunned to have seen a great Braves win, I
>couldn't help but think that this game was a great example of why
>baseball is so much fun. Those who say it's boring simply don't
>understand. 

Anybody have any defense for the fans that vacated the stadium before
the 9th inning? There were lots of empty seats up there during
the 9th inning of Game 7 when the home team was only down by 2.
Geesh. What are you doing at Game 7 if you are in a hurry to beat
the traffic!!!! And people give the Pirate fans a hard time ...

John DeHart
jdd@arl.wustl.edu
Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Bond's Post-Season Woes Continue.
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:51:55 GMT

In article <21035@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>Another listless display by Bonds. 

Well, he drew a walk with a man on base.  Not optimal, but better
than a double play.

>Well if Mr.Regular Season
>continues like this, it would be better to remove him from the
>lineup. Then again it is only one game. Let us see his fortunes
>in the coming games.

CBS, to their credit, showed the five players who have gone 0-for-21
or worse with runners on base in postseason:

- Gene Tenace (went on to win World Series MVP)
- Barry Bonds
- Reggie Jackson (Mr. October himself)
- Graig Nettles (didn't he hit a LCS-winning HR?)
- Walt Weiss (well, whose stupid idea was it to put him at the top of
              the lineup anyway?)

Now, anyone wanting to bench Bonds would apparentally want to bench these
four others also...  I can see Weiss (who's always been overrated), but
the other three?

Barry Bonds is by far the best hitter the Pirates have.  It would
be foolish to bench him (assuming he's healthy).
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: PunisherX@cup.portal.com (M Phil Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Good Luck, Pirates!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:02:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm becoming quite a Pie Rats fan.  Don't ask me why, it's just
one of those things.  Maybe it's my Met-fan love for the underdog
coming out.  Maybe it's Jim Leyland and the way he looks like he's
going to collapse from nervous exhaustion.  Maybe it's Tim-Bill
Wakefield, the newest incarnation of the great baseball stereotype,
the Darling Rookie who Wins the Big Game.  Maybe it's Don "Stud
Muffin" Slaught's admirable behind.  Whatever it is, I hope that
the Bucs beat the tar out of the evil Braves (Jane, get that
damn fool sequined hat off your head!  Thank you).
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Hey Heather Go to pittsburgh and watch the game with the rest of the 
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From: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Subject: Re: Boston's outfield
Reply-To: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.165125.5922@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>Clemens probably has a few more good years in his arm.  While the Sox
>might not contend in 1993, can you really say they won't in 1995?  A
>lot of things can change in three years.
>
>>I hope they do trade him.
>
>Okay, propose a deal.  I suggested Gonzalez+Kurt Miller+Huson+Maurer
>for Clemens, and was laughed at.  And I'm beginning to agree.  Clemens
>is worth more than that.
>
>So what would you expect in a trade?  (Keep in mind that this trade
>can't *totally* gut the other team, or it won't help them either.)
>
Well, a while back, I suggested that I would deal Clemens for
Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriguez, and was also laughed at (or at least
told that the deal should include a couple of Rangers' prospects
as well).  My question, though, is would the Rangers really be up
for parting with two all-star everyday players, *plus* prospects,
in exchange for a man who can only help them win every fifth day?
My best guess is no; and yet, that's what it would take to pry
Clemens loose, as far as I'm concerned.

Rob L.
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris + Jays - CRYBABIES!
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:33:00 GMT
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Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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In article <1992Oct13.191208.24114@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, fdg@athena.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Frank P. DiGiuseppe) writes...
>In article <92287.070555KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>  So the Toronto Blue Jays are upset because of the Eck's pump of the fist
>>after fanning Sparague in Game 4.  What hypocritical cry babies! 
> 
>This is the second post that is missing the point... as someone has already
>pointed out, it wasn't the fist pump that upset the Jays (and their fans)
>it was the staring down of Sprague and the entire bench... trying to show
>them up... as if to say, "There, don't f**king mess with me...". The Jays
>bench was EXTREMELY riled up and I think Alomar's reaction to his home run
>was pretty restrained considering the "angst" on the Jays bench.
> 
>Later,
>Frank
> 
>-- 
>Frank P. DiGiuseppe	McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
>fdg@mcrcim.mcgill.edu	"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
>	    And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;" - J.G. Magee Jr.

	Oh, by the way, when you've posted numbers like the Eck has over the
past several years, I think you're entitled to get pumped up a bit in a big
game.  Even though I can't stand him, I don't fault Alomar or Kirk Gibson
for leaping like Gazelles after going deep off the Eck either.
	Who I DO fault for being obnoxious is Juan Berenguer.  Here we have
a mediocre, Aurelio Lopez (R.I.P) type pitcher who somehow thought that his
3.94 ERA in 1987 entitled him to pump his fists quite visibly in the '87
playoffs and Series every time he struck out the likes of Pat Sheridan and
Tom Lawless.  That was plain arrogance (and luck).  See also Pascual Perez,
who got quite pumped up during each of this 3 wins for the New York Yankees
dating back to 1990.
	If a good player wants to get excited, he's entitled to do it.  If
Jamie Quirk or Junior Noboa wants to pump fists and jump up and down, they
should exercise a little bit of humility.

							Jason Miller
Pascual Perez:  $5.7 Million for 3 years.
		$1.9 Million for each of his 3 wins.
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From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Sanders vs McCarver
Reply-To: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:36:35 GMT

.
.
>McCarver was visibly upset; the situation wasn't too far away from punches.
>
>I never liked him.  I'm starting to despise him.  Talk about an attitude
>problem.

I know, and he's a shitty announcer too.

Give me a break. I agree that Deion was a little out of line, but what did 
McCarver expect ? Hadn't he seen any films of celebrations in winning locker
rooms ? You're in a locker room after one of the most exciting wins
in baseball history, of course you're going to get a little wet. What a baby.
 You should have seen Don Sutton after the Braves won the West this year. He 
got drenched maybe 10 times while conducting post game interviews. The 
difference being that Sutton just laughed and  had a good time, while 
McCarver cries about it. 

You're there to report the news, not make news.

Sam
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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:06:05 GMT

schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:

>	15 Years Toronto Blue Jays have waited for this moment.
>	15 Years we've had to hear from the American media  and
>		American fans , how a Canadian team 
>		will never or should never make it
>		to the World Series.
>	Well, it all ends today.

>	Today, October 12th, at around 6:30 pm, the torch will
>		be passed, the flag will be raised.

So, it was *your* post which jinxed us, eh?  I bet you're the same guy
who says "looks like so-and-so has got a no-hitter going".  Respect the
superstitions, or a power spike will be sent your way.
--
Dave!
From: 900449f@ace.acadiau.ca (NORMAN THOMAS FERGUSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: jays
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:11:05 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Jays have got it wrapped up.
From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Entries for the 1992 Baseball Playoff Choke Awards
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:05:16 GMT
	<1992Oct06.225747.16312@watson.ibm.com>
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

I have finally figured out the big problem with this whole "choke"
discussion: Player's don't have enough ABs in big games to gather
statistically significant numbers.

Obviously the solution to this problem is to have greater numbers of big
games, so I expect to see all the statheads jump on the bandwagon to lobby
for new leagues and an expanded playoff schedule!

Numbers! Must have numbers! Igor, fetch me my Bill James...
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From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: 1993 SABR convention
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:21:13 GMT


The Society for American Baseball Research's 1993 convention will be
June 24-28 at the Town and Country Hotel in San Diego.

For additional information, you may e-mail me (jbn@photon.com) or call
the SABR office at (216) 575-0500.

Joe Naiman
Convention Coordinator
SABR XXIII
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Yutzboy Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1992's MLB Award Winners
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:41:09 GMT
Organization: Y-Bron, Inc. (Thornley Division)

Archie Holmes write:
>>AL MVP: Dennis Eckersley
>Try Frank Thomas

For an even better fit, try Edgar Martinez.  Nice -n- Comfy.

>>NL Rookie:Eric Karros
>The only true choice.

I like Reggie Sanders, myself.  Did Karros even post a .300 OBP?

>>MLB best hitter:Gary Sheffield
>Are you kidding.  Frank Thomas, Kirby, and B. Bonds are better than
>him.  It is hard for me to admit this since I thought Sheffield should
>have been putting up these numbers for years

Thomas and Bonds I'll buy.  But KIRBY PUCKETT?  Dream On.  Didn't
Sheffield out-BA, out-OBP, and out-SLG Kirby?  

>I may take Roger Clemens.  Pitching wins it all (look at the
>four teams in the playofffs).

Yeah, that A's rotation of Stewart, Darling, Welch, and Moore is
simply terrifying.  I know that I, as an A's fan was thinking, "Well,
this game's in the bag for us now" when I saw vaunted hurler Kelly
Downs throwing in the bullpen.  (Actually, the cry of "Nooooo!" was
apparently audible at the Nichols household, some 100 miles away.)

Actually, the A's are there because they walk more than Eddie Yost on
a treadmill.

>>Next MLB superstar hitter:Dave Hollins
>There is a guy named Grisson in Montreal that I would take
>it a heartbeat.

I'd rather have Hollins, I think.  What are their ages?

>>Next MLB superstar pitcher:Brien Taylor
>
>Who??  I think even thought he is somewhat well know, John Smoltz
>is the man.

Smoltz already qualifies.  How about Roger Salkeld?  Anyone can
predict these guys.  Anyone care to try to guess the next Juan Guzman?
Someone that the club doesn't protect, and isn't taken in the Rule V
draft?

How about Reggie Harris?  I watch that guy throw, and I wonder how
anyone can get a hit off of him.

>>1993 World Series:Cleveland v.s. Atlanta
>Try a repeat of this one.  Toronto vs. Atlanta

Maybe.  I don't think anyone with wisdom will do any crystal ball
gazing before the expansion draft and free agency shake down a bit.
Furthermore, it's tougher to predict what year that WS may take place
in.  Could be '94.



-- 
*    Gary Huckabay     * "You see, I can prove to you that Lance Blankenship  *
*  "Rhymes with see."  *  is a superior ballplayer to Ryne Sandberg."  "How?" *
* "May not be suitable * "Lance has more rings.  Ryno's never been there. He  *
*  for all audiences." *  just chokes every year, and disappoints the Cubs."  *
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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: Personalities of players
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:27:40 GMT

In article <Oct.16.10.23.39.1992.9981@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:

>And to contrast that, deion sanders dumps 3 buckets of ice water on
>Tim McCarver in the Braves clubhouse - apparently, McCarver had some
>not so nice things to say about deion concerning playing baseball and
>football in the same day, and deion was showing *his* character. Up
>til the time I heard that report, I pretty much had been a deion
>supporter, but no more. 
>

	I tink that this will be that LAST straw for Atlanta. Deion Sanders
will NOT be back in a Braves Uniform next year. Why spiol such an 
outstanding NLCS win with an act of immaturity. I suppose if it was ONE
bucket of water, nothing would have been said, but three or four! Come
on now! I'm not taking Mr. McCarver's side though... He was all wet before
the water was dumped on him!

- Dan
Tribe in 94'


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From: bill@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (william.d.page)
Subject: Re: The Ex-Cub Factor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:22:43 GMT


Enhancement to previous article: Mike Royko's at the Chicago Tribune,
of course, and not Sports Illustrated.  I expect that the folks at SI
would also have information; they usually do.
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: sorry about the problem...
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:19:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct8.121913.1424
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Due to some hardware problems, all mail sent to me in the last 24 hours was 
deleted before I could read it. If you sent me anything during that time,
please resend it. Sorry about the trouble.


Brandon Cope
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:57:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlas.1456.2ade8407

In article <71389@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) wrote:
> }
> Had the game gone past the 9th (Justice fails to throw out Merced or
> Bream is thrown out, take your pick) the Braves would have had to
> find someone to play 2nd base.  Ron Gant might have actually made 
> the most sense, because he came up originally at that position.  He
> also played 3rd for a while.
> 
> I think you would have seen this lineup for the 10th:
> 
> C: Berryhill, 1B: Bream, 2B: Gant, SS: Blauser, 3B: Pendelton,
> LF: Hunter, CF: Nixon, RF: Justice.
> 
> *That* would have been interesting!

 Actually Bobby Cox alluded to this scenario in a post game comment.
 He said something like "... we would have played Gant at 2nd or 3rd 
 depending on the batter....". Presumably, pendleton would have played
 2nd for lefties and 3rd for righties.

 Mark Pede
 
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From: roberts@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Jacob Roberts)
Subject: Runs Created
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:21:39 GMT

Could someone please post the runs created formula?  A Bill James version
is preferred if (showing my ignorance here) there are others available.
Thanks in advance.

Jake
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From: tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai)
Subject: Cito's brain
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:13:06 GMT

Can anyone figure out what's going on in Cito's brain?  Why does he leave
the Jays' starters out so long when he's using a 3-man rotation?  Doesn't
he trust the bullpen?  Is he still haunted by images of Henke giving up
2 runs against the A's, or what?  I don't get it.

Tony Lai
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Boston's outfield
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:07:44 GMT

In article <Bvusw9.Du6@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald) writes:
>
>	Anyone have any insight on what Boston's starting outfield will
>	look like next season? You've got Greenwell, Brunansky, Burks,
>	Hatcher, Plantier, Zupcic, and probably some others I may have
>	missed in the minors.

Only Blosser is ready in the minors.  And some people will debate even
that.  (He only blew away the New Britain HR record last year at the
age of 21, while coming close to leading the team in BA.)

Hatcher is a free agent.  He probably will not be signed.
The Sox have an option on Brunansky, and will likely exercise it.
Burks may or may not be healthy.  No bets there.  If he isn't
 protected in the expansion draft, he may well be taken.
Greenwell and Plantier's injuries are less serious, and they should
 both be healthy next year.

What I would like:
An OF/DH of Plantier, Brunansky, Blosser, and Burks or Zupcic.

What we will probably see:
An OF/DH of Brunansky, Greenwell, Burks/Zupcic, and Plantier/Clark.

A trade is in order here, but I have little faith in Lou's ability to
figure one out.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/MLV
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:52:30 -0500

dsklfjWhy weren't Brian Downing's RC and MLV included in the list with the other
American League players?  Didn't he have enough PA's?  Could you please post or
email his RC and MLV?
      
Brian Downing is STILL my favoite player even if he is just a 42 year-old
platoon DH.  Does anyone know if he plans to play in '93?  I haven't been able
to find out.

DAVE BECK
DCBECK@Indyvax.IUPUI.edu

"Thank God I'm outta there!"--Iowa Cubs Outfielder Scott Bryant when asked by
an autograph seeker about playing in the Cincinnatti Reds organization.
   

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From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Subject: Re: THE BRAVES WIN!!! THE BRAVES WIN!!!!
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:38:18 GMT

From article <1992Oct15.132737.27139@cs.cornell.edu>, by tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer):
> In article <26395@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) writes:
>>
>>  I think Leyland's basic thought (and I agree) was that a tiring Doug
>>Drabeck, is better than almost anyone he could bring out of the bullpen.
> 
> Belinda wasn't *that* ineffective.  Though the umpire was squeezing
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
An understatement. The ump (who did a good job most of the game) *really*
shrunk the strike zone after the first walk. The second walk was a HUGE gift,
and perhaps the biggest play of that inning.
> him.  And how about Wakefield?  Tomlin?  This season, Drabek's ERA was
> only 30 points below that of Walk, Belinda, and Smith (who was
> injured, I guess?).  He looked bad enough in the previous innings,
> that I doubt his true ERA at that point was lower than 4.00.  The
> Pirates have lots of pitchers better than that, and thanks to
> Wakefield's performance the previous night, they were *all* available.
> 
> Drabek shoulda been relieved.
I have no knowledge of the Pirate bullpen, but if they had a closer,
he should have been starting the 9th. In (weak) defense though, Drabek's
curve was still diving, and no one could have counted on Lind's error.
The bases were loaded all of a sudden...well you know the rest.

rck

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: PIRATE FAN MUSINGS-EMAIL YOUR RESPONSE (NO BRAVES FANS, PLEASE!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:57:24 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Oct8.041801.3054@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:


>I am a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, disgusted by the Pirates' postseason performance.
>I cannot believe that Bonds stated on National T.V. saying he had no slump.
>Based upon his lackluster performance so far, I disagree with him.

When did the slump start?  He finished the season just pounding the
ball!  Answer = see #1 below...

>I have a few questions for Pirates fans around the U.S. (and world) to answer.


>1. Why do you think Andy Van Slyke can't hit anything all of a sudden? First,
>   Andy is an awesome wonder during the regular season, and now he's mush?

The Braves pitching staff does that to a lot of hitters.  Bonds
was something like .220 BA with .360+ OBA during the season.
The Braves pitchers are good enough to avoid serving Bonds
and Van Slyke belt high hanging curves/fastballs; Bonds is good
enough to keep from swinging at bad pitches (during the season;
that first AB Tuesday was pretty pathetic...) so he walks a lot.



>2. Why did Barry Bonds whiff 1-2-3 yer out on his first at-bat? What is he 
>   trying to prove, that he wants to hit a home run, ball or strike???

Yeah, looks like he decided to swing before the pitch was made.

>3. What's the deal with the stats about the Pirates on T.V.? They didn't even
>   mention Atlanta's ability to choke in the World Series (+ they have never
>   won one, either!)

TV has to show *something*.  Remember, if most of these meat puppets
had any real talent they'd be using it (at 1/20 the salary...)


...

>6. Why even watch the next few games if the Pirates are going to be this
>   pathetic? (Sorry, I am in crisis stage).

Because it's there.

>7. Do you think Wakefield is the savior of the Pittsburgh bullpen?

Bullpen?  



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