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From: Dean.Mesenbrink@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dean Mesenbrink)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: LOGGING JOBS
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:18:56 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

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From: David.Aiau@f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (David Aiau)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: elvis
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 19:00:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 >     There has been a lot of evidence to support the fact that
 >Elvis is still alive, enough to keep people wondering.  Another
 >aspect of this mystery is money.  The truth could be that Elvis
 >died when they say he died but people figured they could make money
 >off the possibility that he was still alive.  Take this stamp, for
 >instance.  People waited in line for 5 days to get $1,000 worth of
 >stamps of some guy who is supposed to be dead.  Now, if Elvis was
 >positively, absolutely, spiritually, morally, physically, mentally,
 >economically, environmentally, and undeniabely dead would people
 >have spent that much money on his stamp?  That is a question that
 >I ponder on for hours and I think you should too.

 I am an Elvis fan, Dad was so I was exposed to Elvis's music... I say 
whether he is dead or not I am indifferent... He is dead to me in the
 sense of physical presence, as he is to the known present world...

 >Please write me back after eons of brooding upon the subject of
 >Elvis' death and the effect on the sale of a 29 cent stamp of an
 >old-fashioned microphone near a handsome young Elvis.(Instead of
 >the fat slob they had thought of putting on the stamp.)

 He was over-weight thank-you... It's like using colourful language to get 
a desired emphysis, it's not really neccessary...

L8'er


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From: John.Thompson@f600.n139.z1.fidonet.org (John Thompson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: EVOLUTION                
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:19:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:139/600 - Homebuilt Flyer, Neenah WI

MR>  Our Biology II Class is working with the Telecommunications System 
MR>  to find information on topics that we want to know more about.  I 
MR>  am curios in finding out the different ideas and beliefs on 
MR>  evolution...
MR>  I hope to recieve many opinions about evolution soon.  Please respond
MR>  if you have an opinion on this topic.  

You might want to ask your sysop to pick up the fidonet SCIENCE and
EVOLUTION echos; there's usually plenty of discussion there on evolution.

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From: choy@dvinci.USask.Ca (Henry Choy)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science,alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: logging
Date: 29 Jan 1993 01:53:55 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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John Thompson (John.Thompson@f600.n139.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: MD>  After a clear cut is finished, the whole area is planted 
: MD>  with young seedlings.  We are doing a great job at managing the 
: MD>  forests.  People in America are overreacting about a problem that 
: MD>  does not exist.  I can guarantee you that your children will never 
: MD>  live in mud fields.  I would like to have your input on any other 
: MD>  problems that you see with logging.  
: 
: One of the problems with managed forests is that they tend to have less
: species diversity than a "wild" forest.  That is, they tend to be re-planted
: with only those trees that are considered to be economically important.  
: This can be a problem because less diverse ecosystems tend to be easily
: perturbed; for example, if a disease appears that affects the particular
: species you happened to plant, the whole forest could be wiped out.  Or if
: certain other plants and animals originally present require species that you
: don't replant, they are simply "out of luck" with no habitat.  This makes
: the entire system less stable and (unlike a "wild" forest) in need of
: constant human intervention to persist.

The solution is obvious. We'll have tree farms. Growth hormone and
annual harvest.

There's another obvious solution. We can cut down on the wood products
by synthesizing products that would have been obtained from trees. All
in all it's matter conservation I'm talking about.

Now people don't have to complain about a recession due to job loss
in the forestry industry. Since matter is conserved, the people can
just shift to a job dealing with different matter. We don't need
as many tree cutters, but we need people who can manufacture things
that used to be made from wood. In fact, factories can be made to
produce FASTER than forests. We'll need more employees than ever.

--

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs            This has been brought to 
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?                     you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?     and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log!  -- "The Log Song", from            -- Big Bird
                         Ren & Stimpy

Math is tough!       -- Barbie
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
From: Rebekah.Lawrence@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Rebekah Lawrence)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: evolution
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 13:07:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Katrina Teibel,
 
          Hello!  I am replying to your recent reply on my
evolution article.  It seems as if you took my message the wrong
way.  You see, I wrote the message to see how many people in the
world today believe in evolution.  I tried to leave my opinions out
of the message so as not to get into any heated arguments.  I guess
it is not possible to do.  You claimed that you were struggling
with some of the same questions I was.  That is not the case.  You
see,  I have no questions.  I believe wholeheartedly in creation. 
 
I can not even question evolution, because there are no doubts in
my mind that God created the earth and all that dwell on it.
However, if you are struggling for the answers, I suggest you look
elsewhere.  The answers are not in books like CLAN OF THE CAVE BEAR
or other fiction books.  I believe in the Bible and have found the
answers within.  I do not have all the answers.  I do have my
opinions on the issue of evolution and am quite sure of my
findings.  Thank you for listening.  Sorry to have possibly mislead
you.
 
Rebekah Lawrence 


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From: Ryan.Harrington@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Ryan Harrington)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: sportsinjuries
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 13:13:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

                 High School Sports and Injuries
 
Hello,
     My name is Ryan Harrington and I am sending this message as a
project for my Biology II class.  I am a junior and I am active in
many high school sports.  There are alot of minor injuries and only
a few major injuries.  Recently I saw a television program on about
high school students that are suing there schools and there coaches
for an injury there recieved in sports.  Some of the students were
suing the coaches for making them do drills that were unsafe.
Other students were suing there schools for not giving them proper
equipment for there activities.  I don't know if any of these kids
have won any of these lawsuits, but if they did what kind of affect
would it have on high school sports in the future?  I would also
like to know the maximum penalty that high school sports would have
to pay for a situation like this?  And with all the papers a
students have to fill out before they participate in sports what
kind of grounds does the student have for suing there schools or
there coach?  I would like to hear from you if you have ever been
in a simular situation or if you have an opinion.
 
                                              Thankyou
 
                                              Ryan Harrington



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From: Stephanie.Merino@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Stephanie Merino)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: evolution
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 13:16:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Hello Everyone!  My name is Stephanie Merino.  I am a
senior at Bonnersferry High School.  We have just
finished a chapter in Biology II dealing with evolution.
Now that we are done, I have begun to wonder what other
peoples views in this area are.  There have been so many
different ideas passed around over the years, one
sometimes finds it hard to know what to believe.  Is it
possible to have formed from non-living matter
(spontaneous generation)?  Or could we have been created
by "GOD", as many have been taught to believe.  Lastly is
it possible that we have evoled from the apes and are
distantly related to them.  This subject has been
disputed over for a number of years but there are still
many questions to be answered and mysteries to be solved.
Thus, I am very interested in what people from all over
believe.  It is easy to get very confused when trying to
dicipher between right and wrong when dealing with this
subject.  I would appreciate any replies you might have
regarding Human Evolution. 


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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: TIMBER\SPOTTED OWL
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:07:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

MR>industry
MR>for jobs.  This is a major controversial issue between loggers
MR>and
MR>environmentalists.  The environmentalists believe that the
MR>loggers
MR>are ruining the beautiful landscape and that they are killing
MR>animals.  One example of this is the spotted Owl, but it doesn't
MR>even exist in our area.  Environmentalists are trying to damage
MR>the
MR>timber industry because of these reasons.  If we do lose work for
MR>the loggers, they would most likely move, and Bonners Ferry would
MR>be a ghost town.  I believe in saving animals and to keep our
MR>country in shape, but the people are more important in my
MR>opinion.

       Well, Michi, to be perfectly frank, if your community doesn't soon start operating with a concern for the total environment, then the people won't have the means to survive.

       Please read my other posts and respond to the various issues I've covered.


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From: Stephanie.Merino@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Stephanie Merino)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: sexual preference
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 14:14:10 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

  Hello there. This is Stephanie Merino.  I am in your Biology II
class. For a few weeks now you have been sending and recieving
messages about the very controversial subject of "SEXUAL
PREFERENCE." IT has been very interesting to see your excitement
and sometimes rage at some of the replies you have gotten.  I was
just wondering if there is some specific reason (other than
morality) that you get so fired up about this topic.?? I believe
much the same as you do but I find it easier sometimes to just
ignore the people who defend gays and lesbians.  IF a person choses
to be gay or lesbian fine, but I cannot understand why they should
have the right to try and justify it by saying if was inborn.  I
often wonder what the parents say or feel about their children who
say that somehow this gay "gene" was given to them by one or both
of their parents??  I am not sure how I would deal with this
situation if it presented itself with me.  What would you do?
Would you disown your child or try to help him? 


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From: David.Rahfeldt@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: international travel
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:50:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

What do youthink the biggest sources of MIS-UNDERSTANDING between Americans
 and folks there are?

David


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From: Stephanie.Merino@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Stephanie Merino)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: aids
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:05:10 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Hello there.   My name is Stephanie Merino.  I am a senior at
Bonnersferry High school.  I am extremely concerned about my childs
generation and the effects of aids on them. It seems to me that
unless a cure is found soon or people start concerning themselves
more with safe sex or at least monogomous relationships she has a
very slim chance of surviving.  Our population is rapidly being
taken over by this disease and it seems as if nobody is too
worried.   What are the statisics for aids?  How many people are
being diagnosed with the HIV virus everyday?  At what speed is
research being done?  Are we getting any closer to a cure?  I was
also wondering If anyone knows aids statistics for North Idaho
alone??? Also what is the leading cause of aids? Sexual activity? 
 
Sharing intervenous needles??  Transfusions?  IF anyone can help to
inform me more on the statistics or answer any of my questions I
would be greatly appreciated. 


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From: jchap@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey W Chapman)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:50:45 GMT
Expires: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 05:00:00 GMT

In article <41468.2B637B25@puddle.fidonet.org> Katrina.Teibel@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Katrina Teibel) writes:
>     Ask yourself, "Is it natural to be attracted to the same sex?" 
> 
>My answer to this question is no.  I have a personal belief...
>     Reproduction is the purpose of sex.  It is placed in
>scientific evidence that a female and a male must share a sex cell
>to reproduce.  Therefore, it is natural to be attracted to the
>opposite sex, and abnormal to feel a sex drive twards the same sex. 
> 
>I don't know if I have made my point clearly, but I am speaking
>scientifically.
>     Whatever theory of homosexuality being a form af brain damage,
>I could easily believe it.

Katrina:
	Whatever your personal belief may be about what is "natural,"
I believe that if you look into the literature on animal sexual
behavior, you will find that homosexual behavior is not uncommon among
animals.  Wild animals are presumably presumably incapable of
"immoral" behavior, so it seems that if one wants to compare
homosexuality with what is "natural," it makes sense to look outward
toward the world that exists, and not inward toward one's own
perception of what constitutes a natural act.
From: Rebekah.Venable@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (Rebekah Venable)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: International travel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:17:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

DR>What do youthink the biggest sources of MIS-UNDERSTANDING between
DR>Americans  and folks there are?

        Well, there are a lot of cultural differences that cause misunderstandings.  Like, an American may just be complimenting something that someone owns (like a picture or something) and the Chinese person will feel obligated to give that object to the American. Face is very important to a Chinese person and I find it hard for an American know how to keep a Chinese person from losing face.  It is hard to know when a Chinese person is offering you something if they really want to give it to you or not. 




 I guess usually if you think that they don't really want to give it away and you refuse to take it enough times (in a nice way of course) then eventually they will stop offering it. But, like I said it is hard to tell if they really want you to have it or not.
                        Rebekah

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From: Sarah.Isaac@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Sarah Isaac)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: GRIZZLY BEARS
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:13:12 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     Hello my name is Sarah Isaac. I have some information I'd like
to share with you about grizzly bears in Yellowstone Park.
Grizzlies live in meadows and open hills and valleys. These are
located outside of the boundaries of Yellowstone Park. Years ago,
the grizzlies were driven into the protected parklands by people
who brought logging, mining, and homesteading to the area.
     For many years, the bears thrived in the park by scavenging
for food in the plentiful supply of trash in tha park dumps.  But
in 1963, the National Park Service closed the parks dumps to
grizzlies.  The grizzlies responded as planned and went elsewhere
for food and shelter.  When the bears wandered into the areas
outside the park, they found towns and resorts.  True, there was
plenty of garbage to eat.  But the people were not so happy to see
bears near their homes.  Since 1968, hundreds of grizzlies have
been shot.  Today, only about 200 bears survive in the Yellowstone
area.  If the people of this country withdrew their support of the
national park system, they argue, no wildlife would protected from
commercial development.
     If you know more about grizzlies in national parks, please
reply. 


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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: veterinary science
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:53:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <40754.2B6098FD@puddle.fidonet.org>
   Shannon.Rae@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Shannon Rae) writes:

>  I am thinking about going into veterinary science, but I
>have a few questions that I hope someone will be able to answer.
>First of all, generally how long do you have to go to school for
>this? 

If you want to actually be a veterinarian, you'll have to go through
four years of college and then I think 4 more years of veterinary
school (it's possible that Vet school programs are only 3 years, but I
don't think so).

>What should your major be?

It actually doesn't much matter what your major is.  As a
pre-Veterinary student you will have to take certain classes--I think
the same classes as pre-medical students, but you can fit those
classes into a variety of majors.  What you decide to major in will
depend largely on your other interests.  There are different
philosophies about choosing a major for a pre-health program; some
people view it as the last chance that they'll have to get organized
exposure to non-medical information, some view it as a way of fitting
in easy classes so that their overall GPA will look good, others look
at it as a way to do something hard in order to show off their
academic prowess to medical school admissions committees...  It
depends a lot upon your own personality more than anything else.  

The pre-med requirements are fairly demanding--students have to take
two semesters each of calculus, physics, general chemistry, biology,
organic chemistry.  Additional courses in microbiology, molecular
biology, and/or biochemistry are often recommended.  Some medical
schools also have particular requirements, so you might want to get
information from whatever vet school you eventually want to get into.

In terms of veterinary schools, you have a pretty short list.  If I
remember correctly, there are only 28 vet schools in the entire
country.  Ours is currently in danger of closing down due to funding
problems :-(

> I love all kinds of animals and have had to deal with several
>injured ones, but I don't really think I could make a life out of
>seeing animals injured as severly as I know they can be.

You might want to think hard about this.  As a vet school student, you
will have to do rotations in different clinical settings.  One of them
will undoubtedly be emergency care, and from what I hear that's just
as bad as working in an ER for humans.

> I want to have a job that involves working with animals.  I have
>ridden horses most of my life, and would like to continue working with
>them somehow, but I don't really know of any jobs that involve this.

One of my friends is pursuing a combined VMD/PhD degree.  She got
involved with the veterinary program because she too loves horses.  It
sounds like you're thinking along the right track.

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Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. Vincent Busenbark )
Subject: Homosexuality (defense)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:16:27 GMT



In k12.ed.science you write:

> 
>I read your article on homosexuality.   I am getting back to you
>because I agree with your views on homosexuality.  I also feel that
>it is a choice that people make to become gay or straight.  I do
>not feel in any way that the desire to be gay is something you are
>born with.  I feel that there are rare cases in which a person's
>chromosomal make-up is messed up, but as I said, these cases, I
>feel, are extremely rare.

I guess that I couldn't say whether homosexuality is
a choice or is dictated by chromosones or whatever.  But
I would never say it is the result of "messed up" chromosones.
Homosexuality has long been a part of humanity.  The Greeks
found it beautiful and some Native American peoples accepted
it as a part of life for some men and women.  Not everyone
is homosexual, that's okay with me too.


>I also have another strong opinion about
>what causes a person to choose a homosexual lifestyle.  I feel in
>most cases, if not all, that homosexual tendencies stem from a
>sexually abusive background.  In every case that I have heard of,
>this has been the case.  I am not saying that every sexually abused
>person turns to a gay lifestyle, but isn't it possible that a
>sexually abused person could be more susceptible to be confused
>with their own sexual identity?

Hmmm, interesting point.  Actually though, it is not
totally true.  Four of my friends are open about their
homosexuality.  One man did have an abusive father.  Two
of my friends did not have abusive parents, and the fourth
I've never talked to about her family.  What are the
statistics on this?  I don't really know.  Still, I would
say that if a person who was abused is able to find love,
then that is good, regardles of the gender of the
person who gives love.

> I feel that
>homosexuality is in every case immoral.  Instead of being accepted
>it should be treated!  Homosexuality is a mental disorder (as far
>as I believe).

Why immoral?  I do not believe my friends, who contribute
to their communities and who care for others are immoral.
Immorality is found only in people who close their minds
or who refuse to accept others on their own terms.

-M. Vincent Busenbark
(by the way, I don't think this particular network is
the best place to discuss the issue of homosexuality,
but I could not sit quietly by after seeing so many
letters expressing the opinion that a loving lifestyle is
immoral.  I do think that this is a subject teachers
should discuss though, since it is one we will face in
our classrooms as youths start coming to terms with
who they are)