HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (arnold layne)
Subject: Nyx, Jesus, and the Net.public
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:58:52 GMT

In article <wezo7T_00iUz0GbWIy@andrew.cmu.edu> Scott Gregory
<wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: 
|Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 9-Nov-92 Re: nyx.du.edu by
|Tim@hardy.u.washington.e 
|> >    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
|> >theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
|> >pull our collective legs.  We've got preachers & militant feminists,
|> >we've got all kinds of extremist crazies popping up from
|> >nowhere....oops, not nowhere --nyx.du.edu.
|> >
|> >    Any of you real people who use this machine ever seen any of
|these folks?
|>  
|> >
|> >-Scott
|> >
|>  
|> Well I wouldn't say that they are all one person because there are people wh
|> post rational things from this site. The problem is that it allows free acce
|> to ANYONE - therefore someone could probably get multiple accounts and act
|> like an imature 5th grader if they wished.
|
|    Right, that's why I sent out the call for "real people" to answer
|this.  I wouldn't be surprised if sgreever and paula the manbasher are
|one person, however.  They are such one-dimensional caricatures that
|they don't seem exactly human.
|
|    I think Andy Hawks uses that node.  What about it Andy? These people
|alive, or just a few bored people from Claremont or wherever?
|
|-Scott

Nyx is a public access site, anyone can telnet in or dial in.  
At any given time there are 60-80 people on the system, and there are
well over 6000 users.  

Among them are 12 year-olds, hackers, 12 year-old hackers, and also
many users with good intentions.  I am one of the people at Nyx that
tries to keep everybody straight and ward off abuses of the system
since it's my only link to the net and abuse in the past has caused
arguement over whether it should be shut down or not.

Whereever you go, there the idiots are.  These people are everywhere
and there's no escaping it.  PLease don't formulate your opinions of
Nyx based on a few extremist idiots with an extreme lack of
net.ettiquette.  


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Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial,alt.sex
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 16:46:58 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
	<behrenss.721300780@hphalle6>

sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
> The Bible tells us the meaning of sex; why should we go against it ?

because it isn't our law?
because it's an outdated, contradictory, and highly restrictive document?
if all we did was what the bible said we wouldn't have gone beyond the
middle ages
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 23:38:20 -0500 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie

Hmm...After reading a rather righteous post about why punk is the music
for Neuromancer (the movie) as opposed to rock, I don't suppose that
it'd be appropriate to mention that Gibson has seeded his works with
references to Steely Dan and Velvet Underground...

And who came up with the term "cyberpunk" anyway?  I don't think it was
one of the cp authors (Tom Maddox, do you know?), but it IS just a
label, and not a definition.

Chris

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From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.194117.6435@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tbredeho@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas A Bredehoft) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.143313.8686@ac.dal.ca> rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get essays/articles/pappers
>>on saxism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist friend who always calls me a sexist
>>pig because I happened to have read a few cyberpunk books.  I have only read
>>Gibson's works so I don't have enough expirence to dis/agre with my friend. So
>>if any one has a file to email/ a ftp site name / or just wants to do a quikie
>>up, I'd really apreciate it!
>>--
>>Ethan Clarke
>
>For an enlightening feminist look at much of the cyberpunk genre, see Nicola 
>Nixon's article "Cyberpunk: Preparing the Ground for Revolution or Keeping the 
>Boys Satisfied" in _Science Fiction Studies_ #58, (Vol 19, Pt 2) pp. 219ff.  It
>does, in fact, argue that even characters like the so-called "strong" Molly
>tend to perpetuate stereotypes which are essentially anti-feminist.
>
>It's worth the time it takes to read it.
>
>Thomas A. Bredehoft


Even if the entire genra is deemed male sexism, or whatever the term is,
that still does not make the possessor a male sexist.  The possession
of, or even enjoyment of, a literary work DOES NOT IMPLY that the possessor
perscribes to the philosophies presented therein.

Of course, I still say that the whole idea is rediculous.  CyberPunk is NOT
de facto sexism.

ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:20:45 GMT

In article <BxHrLx.92E@nic.umass.edu> torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox) writes:
>	Then I read his very confused statement on sex. Seems like most of
>us are going to Hell in a handbasket, huh kiddies? Assuming you believe in
>hell etc.. 

"I may be going to hell in a handbasket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride."
-The Greatful Dead.

>
>	- Random Tox
>	  CEO Durex Blender Corporation
> 
>
>
>
>-- 
>(C) 1992 by Random Tox and The Durex Blender Corporation
>All Rights Available at the Door, No Reservations.
>
>	"If this is the place for you, then herd."


ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: lensbs@rs6216.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:07:46 GMT

who cares about the stupid unicorn.  it was stupid (yes it did serve some
useful purpose I'm sure)  but why bother trying to decipher what it means
if you picked up on what it meant good for you, if not oh well it was just
another point in the movie to make it seem even more chaotic.  It's just
a thought...one does not have to understand every last detail a movie
to enjoy it, actually in most instances it is better to go in there 
oblivious to the analization of the movie and just try to pick up what comes
to your mind naturally.  Try watching something like Wayne's World or Ren and
Stimpy analitically, it's not quite the same.
		sean

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bernie@tagsun.med.utoronto.ca (Bernie Charlton)
Subject: Neuromancer - the music, anyway
Organization: University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:48:13 GMT

Incidental music could be of the Vangelis nature, but something
along the lines of the Doubting Thomas cinematic material would
be appropriate too... Of course, there would HAVE to be
some Skinny Puppy, and some fast hardcore techno too. On the
rock side of things, Rush comes to mind, but too many people 
hate them... Nirvana does a cover of a song called _Molly's Lips_,
but it sucks. Too much industrial dance would ruin the movie
by catering to today's popular image of cyberpunk. To be timeless
the soundtrack would have to transcend the fun-but=trashy
cliches of FLA, NIN, Puppy, KMFDM.

BC

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5506 alt.sex:35293 rec.music.industrial:13046 alt.industrial:592
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial,alt.industrial
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 19:19:07 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes:

> ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov1.190741.18602@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pkasiako@nyx.cs.du.ed
> >>(much multilevel quotes deleated)...
> >>
> >>Look, honey, you know what your problem is is you don't UNDERSTAND the
> >>history of female oppression handed down by none other than MEN.
> 
> >I see, all men oppress all women always.  Somewhat simplistic, don't
> >you think?
> 
> Seems like everyone's trying to make themselves feel smart'n'hip by
> writing snappy comebacks to this woman's complaints. Maybe we'd like
> to ignore the idea that women and men communicate in somewhat different
> ways. It's probably not literally true that ALL MEN oppress ALL WOMEN
> ALL THE TIME, but is does seem reasonable to suggest that indeed MANY
> men have oppressed MANY woman thru a good deal of recorded history. The
> sexism of the hip young man of to-day isn't as blatant, but it *is* in
> our language, and it may take a very very long time before it can be
> eradicated.

This is just a note of agreement with Mike Wiik's general sentiments in 
the quoted post.

The snappy comebacks are just as automatic and programmed as the initial 
outburst of pain and anger. Zero sum, and just another expression of the 
anguish imprinted into our brains and bodies by a master/slave culture.

Of course, in a sense, the comebackers are just as 'innocent' as the 
first angry speaker, and the angry woman is just as guilty as the 
comebackers of kneejerk generalized bigotry.

Nothing to do but observe our own behavior, I guess, and try to do better 
next time. It's funny to watch ouir memes turn us against each other like 
wounded animals, eh?

The lesson of biology-- animals are most aggressive with the members of 
their own species, and especially agressive with their closest 
territorial neighbors.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
Subject: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:45:57 GMT

	Why is it that many people in the cyberpunk community choose Wolf
or some variation as the name of their character?  I've just read three
stories on this newsgroup and in all three, a protagonist was named Wolf
or some variation.  I know you might like it, but it really tends to confuse
the issue.

	I _was_ going to post a story of mine called _The Samaritan_, but
seeing as the main protagonist is named Lone Wolf, I think I'll wait.

uplink
.s
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: friedman@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:37:23 GMT

In article <BxHoup.7pJ@nic.umass.edu> torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox) writes:
>How many people are realistically called "Lone Wolf" anyway?

Well, I'm pretty certain that you can find a "Lone Wolf" on
practically every local BBS in America (not sure elsewhere, though).

It's kinda like leprosy, in a sense.

						- Mark

My roomie is a "Lonewolf" actually...

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From: v067rcyf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: Silk and Steel, Part 1
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct29.065654.7405@nntp.uoregon.edu>, JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.edu (Jay Brandt (Shadowcat)) writes...
>In article <accom.2636@terapin.com>, accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
>writes:
>> 
>> I would say that's a pretty damn good cyberpunk story... Could you please list
>> all the capabilities of the staff tho? Thanx... L8r!
>> 
>> 
> 
>Thanks. I did list the capabilities of the staff. You missed it. There was
>a post entitled 'Silk & Steel 1, Errata & Tech Info.' that gave almost all
>the specs. If it's already fallen off your newsgroup, let me know by e-mail
>and I will send you a copy.
> 
>See ya in the Sprawl chummer!
>Shadowcat

its fallen and it won't get up
please send
this is also my first day on .chatsubo
so send the story too
if you can

i want it allllll
                         -------------------aardvark
From: lvogt@digi.lonestar.org (Lee Vogt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:09:11 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Interestingly enough, the term 'lone wolf' is a bit of an oxymoron, as wolves
tend to run in packs.  IMNSHO, I think its a 'dangerous predator' thing.
Wolves have an undeservedly bad reputation of attacking people - it's a LOT
rarer than folklore claims, but it can happen.  The main characters in most
cyberpunk novels tend to be rather predatory sorts themselves, thus the
association.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:24:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.170911.3305@digi.lonestar.org> lvogt@digi.lonestar.org (Lee Vogt) writes:
>Interestingly enough, the term 'lone wolf' is a bit of an oxymoron, as wolves
>tend to run in packs.  IMNSHO, I think its a 'dangerous predator' thing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly! The original folky quote that the phrase "Lone Wolf" comes from goes
something like "Lone wolves are the most dangerous." The idea seems to be that
a lone wolf seperated from it's pack is more easily spooked and thus more likely to turn and attack. Calling a human a "Lone Wolf" implies that he is solitary
and more dangerous than the standard human.

Fletch


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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Mark Of The Mole (1/1)
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:57:04 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Just a short little thing.

Comments and criticism appreciated.

---------------------------------------------------------------

MARK OF THE MOLE
a play in one act
by Joshua Houk

anti-copyright 1992

---------------------------------------------------------------

[Wrong side of town. Just after dusk. Two grubby men, M and N,
sit up against a wall of a building.]

M: Hey...
N: Wha...
M: Hey - see that?
N: What?
M: Over there. That garbage can.
N: Oh. Yeah. (pause) So?
M: Look close.
N: Huh?
M: Look.
N: I'm looking.
M: Well, look then.
N: I am.
M: Good.
	(pause)
N: What am I seeing?
M: You'll see...
N: Oh... (pause)  Man - getting cold out.
M: Hmmm-mmm. Yeah.
N: Says it's s'posed to snow.
M: Yeah, just look at the can.
N: (nods) Weatherman said four to five inches. Man, that'll be nice.
   We will have to go find a place, though, you know...
M: Yeah... look at the trash for chrissakes, will ya?
N: I am, I am... Hey - ever notice that when we get snow, it always
   turns to slush within a day? I mean - all these cars and trucks comin
   round, sloshing up all the white snow...turning it grey and
   muddy... 
	(M rises hastily, peers momentarily offstage towards the
	audience, and runs offstage)
N: Hey! Man! Where... where you going? 
	(N's eyes follow an imaginary M crossing from where M exited
	to a position where N is looking straight into the audience)
N: Man... hey - what..? Hey - get out of that trashcan, man. That's...
   man, someone's... man someone's gonna bust you man, you gotta... get
   out, man, look... hey... hey man the garbage truck... man, the
   truck's comin man, look, man... get out... hey! Man, you gotta get...
   (N rises, and his voice has risen to a yelling intensity) Hey! Hey
   you two! Man, there's a man in that... there's a man in that
   trashcan... hey! Look, there's a... there's a guy in that... Hey!
   Drop that... hey, drop that can... there's a... a...
	(N falls silent and stares stage forward emotionless, but 
	still tense. After a few seconds, he returns to his seat
	against the wall.)
N: Man, you just can't get in a trashcan, man.
	(Blackout)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Again - comments & criticism, okay folks? I want a better last line,
though - but nothing's stuck me so far. It might be too chintzy, too.
Hmmm...

Joshua Houk
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu

As crazy... as unhappy as we think we are, the line between psychotic
and neurotic is not a thin line.
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:16:07 GMT

In article <1drjkcINNdb5@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes:
>The door swings open: "Stand and Deliver!"
>
>"Not on your..." says the new red-bordered hole in the wall.
>
>"Let that be a lesson to you all," Dennis Moore said, "I've got two bazookas
>here, I know one of them isn't loaded but the other one is, so that's one
>of you dead for sure, well just about for sure, I haven't had much practice
>recently..."

And in the back of the room three men blink at the red-bordered hole in
the wall.  One is an obvious samuri-type in white robe and sandles and the
two laquered sword sheaths, complete with katana and wakazashi, hang at his
side.  The other slouches pretty much on his neck and a hat covers the top
half of his face while a beard covers the lower part.  He is, however, in
a very nice very dark pinstripe suit that still manages to look as if it
slouches with him.  The third...

>"What do you want?" asked a woman.
>
>"Give me every Lupine you've got."
>
>"We haven't got any Lupines."
>"Honestly."

The third, in the black shirt, yellow jacket, and dark pants, starts 
looking around the bar with bright eyes and a grin and watches with most
interested and wide eyes as Moore rounds up the usual suspects of
Lupinism.

>"Look," I happen to know this is the Chatsubo, where lone wolves hang out,
>you there, what's your name?"
>
>"Running Wolf" admitted the Native American/Indigenous Person/red injun.
>
>"O.K. come with me,"  Moore said, "anybody else."
>
>A gangly creature stood up in a red-illumniated corner of the room
>and twiddled his voder with the eighth and twelfth tendrils of his
>trunk, "I'm from a planet around Wolf 359, does that count?"
>
>"Good enough, come on.  And you in the wool, you're not fooling
>anybody.  You too 'Grandma', those big teeth are a dead giveaway.
>How about you sir?  Are you a lone wolf?"
>
>"Close, I'm a lone shark."

As Moore slowly gathers the others the samuri type pretty much remains
where he is.  The slouching one get up real slow and easy like, keeping his
hands well in evidence and moves toward the bar.   The smiling one starts
towards the backdoor.

>"Doesn't count, I guess that's everybody now.  I'll be back for the Foxes
>on Friday night."

The smiling one laughs in a burst of mirth after Moore exits the door. 
Though, admittedly, not only does this particular wolf already have a pack 
of his own, but he doesn't fit any of the stereotypes for a 'lone wolf'.
His two friends close behind him, each covering a different direction, 
and the three walk out the back door, climb into their Mini and take off 
in a cloud of exhaust.

-----

all right... maybe Lupin III doesn't drive a Mini, but it *looks* like one.
Grin.  Sigh... still dreaming after watching "Castle Cagliostro"...

Phyllis L. Rostykus
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: oroboros@acca.nmsu.edu (The Wyrm Ouroboros)
Subject: ADMIN: a.c.chat archives
Organization: The Clearing House, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:35:35 GMT

Due to some unforseen circumstances, one has been out of contact for some
short time.  One was hoping that either A: some kind soul has been archiving
a.c.chat for anon FTP, or that b: some kind soul has been saving the 'UN/Aliens'
storyline.  Naturally, one was hoping that, if either are true, one could
acquire the address for the first, or the information from the second.

Please return contact.

Ouroboros
The Wyrm of the .Net
From: alaric@sti.com (Phil Stracchino)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:56:02 GMT

In article <BxHoup.7pJ@nic.umass.edu>, torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox) writes:
] 	It's just a repulsively overused cliche that continues to be
] overused by the lesser authors trying to make their characters seem
] tougher. It should be stomped out. How many people are realistically
] called "Lone Wolf" anyway?

Well, I knew a Native American saddlemaker once whose honest-to-Manitou
given name was Jesse Lone Wolf, and my wife knew a blacksmith who was known
so universally as Slow Wolf that most people had forgotten he even *had*
another name...

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From: jordag@cary114.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Subject: Re: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Wolf
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:05:47 GMT

because most characters in a cyberpunk setting are out for themselves and tend to be classified as `lone wolves` so its only a natural conclusion to call the main character Wolf....my 2 cents on the subject

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