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From: jennings@tran.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:55:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jennings@tran.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

>krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
.............. stuff deleted for bandwidth ..................

>Wouldn't it be _great_ if:

        >When you are out someplace with one of your female "just friends"
        >while you are SO-less, and she actually _introduces_ you to one of
        >her girlfriends who is kinda' cute?

This *has* happened, but not very often. Most of my friends are from
work, and the ratios are not favorable.



        >When you are out someplace with one of your female "just friends"
        >while you are SO-less, and you see a woman that catches your eye,
        >and your "just friend" encourages you to go and talk to her,

This *has* also happened before, and it's great when you have a female
friend that will enourage you to do this.

        >If you could receive calls from your female "just friends", when
        >your SO is over to visit, without having _her_ get pissed off?

Hmmmm. Tough one, especially eairly in a relationship. Seems to be
better if uour SO has more male friends than female friends.

        >If your female "just friends" could "pop by" while your SO is
        >present, wiyhout your SO getting pissed off?

ibid...

bill the cat.....(posting this way late...)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor)
Subject: sexual addiction
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:44:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.202208.26495@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>
>	Is the sexual ability,  or lack  therof,  of  the non-addicted
>partner a factor in the  probability   of  addiction?

Not necessarily.



--
              For flavor, instant sex will never supercede 
              the stuff you have to peel and cook. 
                                  -- Quentin Crisp
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:43:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec15.102722.17472@rs6000.bham.ac.uk> pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
>If you give someone little presents, what do you give and what do
>you like to receive?
>
>Nice and simple...just interested!
>
>Guy.

Funny you should ask. I think peanut shells make the perfect gift.
Conventional yet not pretentious.
Thread is a good gift to receive.
 
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Parents, Spouses, Children (was: Re: PAF tricks)
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:33:26 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1992Dec20.170357.11457@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ttw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (thomas.t.wetmore..iv) writes:
>As a provider and long time user of genealogical software, here are
>some comments on what I think the proper approach to relationships in
>genealogical systems should be.  Let me warn you, in case my usual
>critics don't, that I am an arrogant, crusty old fart, and these
>opinions should be treated as strictly personal.
>
For a second opinion, one might wish to read (if you can take dry reading
that derives from a PhD thesis) "The Social Origins of Private Life: A
History of American families 1600-1900" by Stephanie Coontz ( A single
mother of one) Verso, NY, 1988. She has also written a more popular
treatment called: "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the
Nostalgia Trap", Basic Books 1992.

The fly leaf of the latter states: "Stephanie Coontz provides an antidote
for the myths and hand-wringing tht surround discussions of the American
family today... This myth-shattering examination of two centuries of
American family life banishes the misconceptions about the past that cloud
current debate about 'family values'........ [She] is a member of the
faculty of Evergreen State College in Olympia Washington..."

In her first book she defines a family system as "a subdivision of
relationships set up by kinship or location.. Both as an institution and as
a conception the family mediates between people's definitions of themselves
as individuals and as members of society...  The family is both a place and
an idea. Above all it is an idea, a socially necessary illusion..."

She notes that "the first family system in America was that of the native
peoples. This was actually a kinship system rather than a family system
[with] ... a wide variety of residence, marital, and genealogical rules
involved in different kin categories.." Thus adopted members were often
full members of the tribe and family -- some replacing a fallen brave in
battle with an adversary.

Etc.

For myself:

Genealogical relationships are what one defines them to be within some
social group. It you want to join the DAR, you have to go by their rules.
If you don't, then you may use other rules. I have pointed out before that
the reliance on an underlying genetic relationship is frought with
uncertainty -- first the uncertainty of fatherhood; and secondly the
uncertainty (after a number of generations) of chromosomal transmission.
Except in the unlikely case of babys switched at birth (which does happen),
only the matriarchial blood line is certain... So, like it or not, the
study of genealogy is the study of formal relationships. What you are is
what you and yours sanction these relationships to be.

In Christianity, much blood has been spilled over the genealogy of the
child commemorated at Christmas. It has not been religion's finest hour.

May we celebrate the holidays with a spirit of forgiveness and tolerance.

Tom
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:02:47 CST
Reply-To:     Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Unmarried mother
Comments: To: jlc5%poe.acc.virginia.edu@VM1.NODAK.EDU
Comments: cc: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Jean L. Cooper asks:....

>Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
>children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would
>appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.

What I would do (using PAF 3.1 Aug 91 for DOS) is go to the
"add family" menu, use "unknown" for husband and either leave
the marriage date blank or use "see notes".  This will allow
a family to be created without supplying a husband's name.

If I mis-understood your problem or you need more help feel
free to E-mail me for more information.



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Researching: MERTES DREILING RAWE STUMP/STUMPS/STUMPF JACCOD GIRARD GRAF
             DEPAUL/DIPAULO REINACHER PLOESSER/PLAZIER/PLACIER CANTER
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:45:08 CST
Reply-To:     JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
From:         JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
Subject:      Geneva Morgan Kendall
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Sorry about the last message -- pushed the wrong key!

Again, HELP!!

I'm trying to find the name of the father of Geneva Morgan KENDALL, born on
05/30/1887, supposedly in Livingston, TN.  She married Henry Garfield Capps on
06/11/1907 in Tennessee.  I've looked for her as a child in Tennessee, Florida
(where she died in 1960), and Kentucky (where her husband is from) in the 1900
Census, and have had no luck.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Jean Spradlin-Miller
jmiller@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
From: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: PAF tricks
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan)
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096


 JL. Newsgroups: soc.roots
 JL. Subject: Re: PAF tricks
 JL. Message-ID: <1992Dec16.162359.10331@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 JL. From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
 JL. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:23:59 GMT
 JL.
 JL. Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
 JL. children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would
 JL. appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.

I'd be interested too, but the only way I have is to add a fictitious
spouse called "(unmarried)", then add the children.  I haven't tried this
yet, but you might be able to remove the spouse after you have added the
children.  I don't know what the effect of that would be.

Bob
                                                                                        
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: dovidl@brahms.udel.edu (David L Langenberg)
Subject: Re: Horn Papers; Maps of Western PA
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:23:47 GMT

Yes, the maps are trustworthy.  Much of the material in the first two
volumes is spurious.  The maps, BTW, are very detailed.  They provide
the names and dates of all the original patents.  I've worked with some
land patents in Washington Co., Pa.  The information on the maps in the
Horn Papers, v. 3, agrees with what I have found in the Washington
County Court House.

-- 
David L. Langenberg
University of Delaware
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:15:57 CST
Reply-To:     JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
From:         JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Sorry -- it's late and I only gave a partial address.

Jean
jmiller@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
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From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Dye Family
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:59:37 GMT

I'm sorry for posting this publically, but I didn't save an E-mail
address for this person.
 
Someone wrote for suggestions concerning the Dye family of Jefferson Co or
Madison Co NY.  NY state did censuses every 5 years for a while.  1835 is
one of them.  Since Sallie Rhodes Dye wasn't in the 1840 census, you might
want to try the 1835 census.
 
I don't have access to this census, sorry.
Teresa
From: JD85116@UAFSYSA.BITNET (JoAnn Diercouff)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: researching sirois, lake, barnard, page, sims
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: JoAnn Diercouff <JD85116@UAFSYSA.BITNET>
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Researching my husband's family of SIROIS (from northern tip of Maine
ca. 1700 and before); LAKE (earliest we have is in Ohio prior to
moving to Illinois in the 1800's; served in Civil War; was on Sherman's
March); BARNARD (another Civil War soldier; was given a citation from
Pres.Lincoln for all his honors as a spy for the north; anything prior
to CW would be greatly appreciated).

Researching my family of John PAGE (from Broadway, NY; possible an
Orphan Train rider; came to Illinois with brother, William, as young
boys; mother and father were William and Mary PAGE; born ~1877).
SIMS (from Staunton, VA; William moved to Illinois prior to CW;
m. Mary A. BEATY; mother was Martha, a Presbyterian all her life).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Happy holidays!!
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:23:51 CST
Reply-To:     Lorrie Knox <LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET>
From:         Lorrie Knox <LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Iowa census index help needed

Could some kind soul please look up a couple of entries for me in the
Iowa census indexes?

1860-1880  any listing for the surname FARR
1880-1890  Haller, John (or Bertha)
1920       Lee, Orren Richard


Thanks!
Lorrie Knox
LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET  (or)
LKNOX@UKANVM.CC.UKANS.EDU
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Latin names for Sundays
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:51:55 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

stemerdi@cwi.nl (Stemerdink) writes:

>the 12th Sunday after Trinitatis. (note that in some churches this would have
>been the 13th Sunday after Pentecost!)

>So Dom 2. Post F. 1727 is most likely misread for Post T. and should mean
>the second Sunday after Trinitatis.

>And  Dom. Oeuli 1732 must be Dom. Oculi 1732 and refers to the 3rd pre-Easter
>Sunday. Dom. Cantate is the 5th. Sunday after Easter.

>I'm a bit surprised a former Jesuit didn't know this. Don't they get no more
>thorough training in these matters?

>G.J. Stemerdink
>CWI/Amsterdam/the Netherlands.
>email: stemerdi@cwi.nl

Mr. Stemerdink, you are wonderful.

It is these kinds of answers that make this net a resource that is difficult 
to pay for.  As you can see nobody knew the answer over here and it had to
come all the way from Holland, but it came. 

Since you are obviously well versed in matters of religious calendars could 
you see it possible to post a complete 52 week calendar (sunday names) for
both catholic and lutheran churches?  I've not yet run across such an animal
and it might be something to share with the rest of the world.  Perhaps it
could be in the form of an article which we could send to the 'Genealogical
Helper' magazine under your byline.

In the meantime your post will be saved by many as it is.

Fred

-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject:      Message to Deb Koplen
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:41:48

Richard.....Thanks for your interest in my BULLARDS.  The only usernet address I have is Southern Crossroads, but I am on Genie (D.KOPLEN) and Compuserve (71730,3525).  I hope that helps becasuse I a vitally interested in anything on my elusive BULLARD family.

 * Origin: Southern Crossroads DFW METRO 817-481-8984 (1:124/4115)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: re: wow! (Re: FirstSearch) (IP address????)
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.203609.29064@nosc.mil>
barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
 
>
>In article <ROOTS-L%92121713333476@VM1.NODAK.EDU>     MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET writes:
>>>        OCLC's WorldCat FirstSearch is available to the public for a trial
>>>period (I don't know how long).  You must be able to telnet.  The address is:
>>>etc....
>>
>
>I must have missed this original post.  Could someone repost or email me this
>IP address for FirstSearch?  Thanks,
>
>barrus@cod.nosc.mil
>
Me too.  Thanks
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:08:11 MST
Reply-To:     Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
From:         Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
Subject:      DAR applications
Comments: To: roots-l distribution <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>

Recently I received copies of three DAR applications that were approved.
They involved one of my ancestors and they reference other DAR applications.
If someone could tell me hoe to get copies of the reference applications, I
would greatly appreciate it.

Does this relative make me eligable to apply to the SAR for membership?
If so, what are the advantages of joining the SAR?

Joe Price
Pocatello, ID
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:29:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Not-Quite-Genealogical References (was Orphan Trains)
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I'm fairly sure I've read an article about orphan trains, and seen an
advertisement for a book.

Sorry about the vagueness of that, but it gives me a chance to suggest
two useful genealogical references.

_Reader's_Guide_to_Periodical_Literature_ is a set of books that comes
out one per year (with smaller paperbound ones more frequently)
listing articles that appear in certain magazines (lots of them; the
list is in the book).  You can look for articles on a particular
subject or by a particular author.  You just have to look in each
year's book.  I don't think they include genealogy magazines or other
specialty magazines.  There are sets in large libraries.

(There are similar sets such as _Engineering_Index_.  I found an
article written by my great-uncle in that.)

_Books_In_Print_ is three volumes: by author, title, and subject.  It
also comes out every year.  It's in large libraries and bookstores.
The drawback of this is that many books don't stay in print very long,
and once they're out of print they aren't listed.  But it's a way to
find out about fairly recent books.

For the meanings of names, let me toss in a Bible dictionary or a
"who's who in the Bible" book.  Don't know specific titles.

Anyone know other helpful not-quite-genealogical resources?

Carol Botteron    botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:04:57 EST
Reply-To:     Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
From:         Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: S&H Green Stamps

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:50 GMT Tom Lincoln said:
>
>My best information is that S&H is out of business. It had been a
>susidiary of PHL Corp., previously on the NY Stock Exchange. About
>2 years ago PHL Corp. was bought by Leucadia National (NYSE). It is at
>
It is strange how quickly times change.  I remember when S&H Green Stamp and
TV (Top Value) stamps were big business.  It seemed everybody saved them.
I once worked for a sign company.  We received a big contract to put up
TV stamp signs at gas stations all over Indiana.  At the time it cost
about $10,000 for each sign - big money for the day.  This is when I
first realized just how big the savings stamp business was.

Toward the end of the contract we received word to start removing them!
This was caused by the "gasoline shortage" and increases in gas prices.
Many stations closed and the retail gasoline business went from a mom & pop
business to an almost all company owned station business.

Today, I don't hear of savings stamps being used.  Are there any such
businesses still going?  How about Top Value stamps - a Kroger company I
think?
Sorry to get off the genealogy line, but you know how old people ramble...

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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:40:36 EST
Reply-To:     "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Phone listings in NJ
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Could someone in New Jersey look up phone numbers in the

Metuchen, Middlesex, New Jersey area?

I am looking for a cousin or his offspring.  His name was Edward Behnen.
If there are any Behnens listed, please let me know.

Thanks,

Bob Behnen
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:35:09 GMT

Your college library or your public library should be
able to get any of the books you want through inter-
library loan.  All you have to do is take the printout
from OCLC to the librarian, and fill out the papers
that she or he asks you to.  Interlibrary loan generally
is provided as a free service.  Most libraries participate
because how else would they get to borrow books themselves?
The only items that generally do not circulate are bound
volumes of magazines (our libraries sends out photocopies
of the articles instead), and reference or rare books.

Yours in search of knowledge,

Jean Cooper
Assistant Systems Librarian
University of Virginia
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle
From: SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Genealogy resources and Mtgs in Georgia
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:34:00 GMT
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Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Hi!  Can anyone help me out by recommending genealogy resources that I can
access here in Georgia, specifically in the metropolitan Atlanta area?

I'm interested in attending any regular meetings held by genealogy groups or
genealogists in the metro-Atlanta, GA, area (ie:  Dekalb, Fulton, Gwinnett,
Cobb, Cherokee, Clayton counties).  I'd also like to know what libraries, LDS
family history centers, and state or Federal archives are available for my
use in Georgia.  I'm fairly new in genealogy so I great appreciate any help
you could provide me.

Thanks in advance!

Susan Lewis Arday

Researching:   Lewis - Mitchell County, Bakersville area, NC; Washington
                       County, Jonesborough, TN; Chester County,
                       Jennersville, PA.
               Masters - Mitchell County, Bakersville, NC.
               Peterson - Mitchell County, NC.
               Bowman - Mitchell County, NC.
               Barczewski - New Castle County, Wilmington, DE; Erie, PA;
                       Cecil County, MD; Poland.
               Napolski - New Castle County, DE; Poland.
               Bienefski - Neta, Poland (approx. 1896).
               Ardai & Arday - Youngstown, OH; Cuyahoga county, Cleveland,
                       OH;  Fekete Ardo, a town that has been found in these
                       countries over the centuries -
                       Hungary/Romania/Russia.
               Schwartz - Fekete Ardo, Hungary/Romania/Russia.
               Roth - Cuyahoga county, Cleveland, OH.
               Gideon - Cuyahoga county, Cleveland, OH.
               Streidle - Cuyahoga county, Cleveland, OH; Czechoslovakia.

INTERNET:  SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
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From: BAINTER@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: BAINTER@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
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Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I'm looking for any info on the following names.  Some of them, I've
posted before, but I guess it never hurts to repeat.

BAINTER -- OH>IL>WI
GALLAGHER -- WI
BENT -- SD
JOHNSON -- SWEDEN>MN

The last time I asked about one particular ancester who was in the Civil
War.  I got a lot of feedback and some very valuable help from many of
you.

I notice that there is not many requests for Eastern European or Russian
names.  I have thought to ask about my husbands family, but I'm not sure
how to spell most of them.  Here's a try, though

POPIELARSKI -- PA
SADLOWSKI -- POLAND>PA
MAXIMOVICH (sp?) -- POLAND/RUSSIA border>PA

Thanks to all of you for your help.  Have a happy holiday season.

Nancy Bainter
bainter@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
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