From: seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erica Seiffert)
Subject: Re: Kristen's Question (off the track a bit)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.140805.8813@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <Brqu97.Awy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erica Seiffert) writes:
>
>> 
>> 		Excuse me, but I think you have missed the point of my
>> 	post. I am NOT saying that women who fantasize about being raped
>> 	want to be raped. I certainly don't. I'm saying that there are
>> 	people out there that do believe that's what a woman wants. I'm saying
>> 	that there is a rape myth out there and posting statistics about rape 
>> 	fantasies without mentioning the control factor (ie people are in 
>> 	control	when they fantasize versus not being in control when they are 
>> 	being raped) can lend support to their false belief. That's
>> 	my opinion. DC doesn't agree with me. 
>> 
>Not only Do I disagree, but I think that line of reasoning is dangerous. If you
>post your belief that someone who reads a rape fantasy statistic will be more
>inclined to believe a woman who wants to be raped, then someone who reads that
>will have it in their mind that someone who sees such stats now has a new
>scapegoat. Hell, you think the uniformed are more likely to go out and rape as
>a result of reading that information. 
>
>If a rapist can show he saw such stats without a warning, thus leading him to 
>believe women wanted to be raped, and he uses your logic in court, should he be
>found not guilty?
>
>He raped. Place them blame on his actions. Not, a posting of rape fantasies. We
>live in a country where everbody blames someone for the wrong things they
>themselves have done.
>
>I don't buy it.

		DC, 

		I do not believe that I have ever said that posting 
		rape fantasies promotes rape. I have stated my opinion
		on what promotes a rape myth. I have known men and women
		who, as far as I know, have never raped anyone who believe
		that if a person fantasizes about being raped, it means 
		that they want to be raped. 

>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't get me wrong, posting statics on rape fantasies is educates
>>>>people on an interesting happening in the human psyche, but, I hate
>>>>to see these findings used as justification for rape.
>>>
>> 		Of course there is no justification for rape (perhaps that was
>> 	a poor choice of wording on my part). Perhaps I should phase my 
>> 	sentiment this way, "I hate to see these findings used to validate
>> 	a rape myth."
>> 
>But by saying the warnings need to be posted, you validate the rape-cause
>myth the rapist uses to prove "She wanted it." He finds a post without warnings
>and says he read it. Then he argues the same argument you are using, "Warnings
>should have been given."
>
>Do you want him to use the same argument you are making?
>

		I am not the Surgeon General; I'm not advocating putting
	"warning" labels on anything. The whole start of this thread was
	me asking if the posts you made about rape fantasies included a
	discussion about fantasies versus the reality. You essentialy
	asked me why should the posts include that discussion. I have
	answered why I feel that way. You seem to be hung up in disscussing
	the validity of my opinions. Why? 


		Exactly what is the rape-cause myth? Is it anything like
	the PC rape fantasy to wit you referred earlier and then never 
	explained? If you are talking about the "defense" of : "She was
	asking for it because dressed provacatively, danced provacitively,
	went home with him, etc....," than I don't see how it correlates
	with my opinions. 
>DC
>

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