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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Kicked out of a.f.d-q?  I don't think so
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:11:17 GMT

<1992Dec28.220051.20380@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) :
>In article <nate.995@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> 
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>
> [.. re: alleged 'forgery' by Steve Chaney (yeah, right) ..]
...
>Just as there are stupid laws, there are stupid rules.  Ms. Garvin
>relied upon a stupid rule in her attempt to punish Steve Chaney. 

I think Doug should make it clear to his next employer exactly which of
their stupid rules he intends to ignore.  It should make the hiring
decision a breeze.


Gordon
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.212615.9029@asl.dl.nec.com> dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
>In article <30DEC199214481979@morgul.carleton.edu.> LAMBERTN@CARLETON.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.162502.6756@asl.dl.nec.com>, dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.
>>com (Doug Dillhoff) writes...
>>> 
>>>Unlike heterosexuality, which is dictated by nature, homosexuality
>>>is a lifestyle choice and should not be presented as such to school
>>>children.
>
>Let me clarify this. I do not think that children should be taught
>that the homosexual lifestyle is normal. I respect the rights of all
>human beings, I just believe that the homosexual lifestyle is
>wrong (IMO).
>
Part of living in a society is making compromises. You must put up with
what you believe is wrong, so long as it does not endanger you. This  is 
known as civilization.

I think it is wrong to allow airheads like you to post this shit, but I 
compromise.
>>
>>WHAT?!?!  So I chose to be gay?  Hah!  Just the thought of letting some hairy,
>.
>. stuff deleted
>.
>>I DON'T FIND MEN ATTRACTIVE.  Tell you what, Doug--if you *choose* to find men
>>attractive and _succeed_ in doing so, *I'll* become straight.  Deal?
>
>What??????????
>
>-- 
>Doug Dillhoff            Any opinions expressed are strictly my own.
 I guess that doug has a problem with the english language. The statement 
and its intent are perfectly clear. Doug must have been watching too
much Rush; softening of the brain appears to have set in.


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From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.162502.6756@asl.dl.nec.com> dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
>
>Unlike heterosexuality, which is dictated by nature, homosexuality
>is a lifestyle choice and should not be presented as such to school
>children.
>-- 
>Doug Dillhoff            Any opinions expressed are strictly my own.

How do you *know* it is a lifestyle choice?  Do you not know about
recent studies that say the oppposite?  Or are you just dismissing
them because they disagree with your viewpoint?

How many homosexuals do you know?  Since homosexuals experience
severe discrimination in our society, why would they "choose" such
a lifestyle?  

Jeff Shallit


Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct
From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: "My Cabinet" by Clinton (was Re: Affirmative action is dead)
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.203407.14578@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
# 
# What Clinton said was that his cabinet would "look like America".  
# 
# It was a comment designed to convey Clinton's desire to include women and 
# ethnic minorities.

No, only the politically correct ones.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Lush Rambo (WKRP lampoon)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:31:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.141844.6595@ryn.mro4.dec.com> shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
>
>In article <BzF8r0.MD6@cda.mrs.umn.edu>, luhmanjp@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Joe
>Luhman) writes...
>
>>Did anyone happen to catch this weeks episode of the new WKRP in Cincinnati?
>
>Actually, you saw a rerun as I recall seeing this particular episode a few
>months ago.
>
>Secondly, it was FLASH Rambo.
>
>>I don't normally watch the show, but as I was flipping through the channels,
>>I noticed that they were lampooning Rush on the show.  I'm a Rush fan,
>>but the lampoon was hilarious!!  I was literally rolling on the floor!
>>They didn't really present him as a monster or anything like that, so I 
>>found it amusing.  

Another funny lampoon/take-off of Rush was done in the comic book "Punisher
the War Journal" - it was issue #37, I think. Some animal rights or veggie
terrorists had staked the Rush-character out for assassination and the 
Punisher ended up protecting him. This issue is probably being sold for 
about $5 or so now, but well worth it. 
-- 
John Switzer               | "What we have here is a failure to 
                           | masticate."
Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, after
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:43:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1hta5bINN7j2@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>> >I've seen articles saying 
>> >that if a friend can only 'tolerate' your homosexuality, and not accept 
>> >it as ok, then you shouldn't be their friend.  I really think this 
>> >is too bad. 
>> 
>> My friends love me and visa versa....love me....visa versa....LOVE ME...
>
>Meaning you can only love people who you accept everything about?

I don't think I said that Walter....Let me look at that one sentence again...

No I said my friends love me and I love them......nothing about what you
said....Strange...sometimes I wonder if your machine injects things onto
your screen that the rest of us don't see...

 Does 
>this preclude your loving a 'phobe?  How about if that 'phobe is your 
>mother or father, brother or sister?

Well I believe love can be different.  In other words I love my family
one way and I love my friends who I love in another way.  I cannot stand
my brother.  We are from two different worlds (it doesn't bother him that
I am gay, one thing we both agree on) but I don't like the
way he runs his life or how he raises his kid......I love him....but I really
don't like him.  

Love is something that occures......It cannot be explained.  Bet you have
 a book that can describe it, don't you.  But love just happens.  


>
>Walter 
>
>(I hope I'm not bringing up anything that is *too* far out of line 
>with your post...) 
>


Nope......But I do like to see you try on box everything up into a 
neat little black and white world.....

Bil 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: young@ssdd475a.erim.org (Peter Young)
Subject: Re: Taxing medical benefits ... NOT
In-reply-to: harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:36:49 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<1992Dec22.023649.2465@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:15:21

In article <1992Dec22.023649.2465@cbnewse.cb.att.com> harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm) writes:

>   Party's grave in 1996.  So don't seriously entertain any slick, 
>   sock-the-worker Robin-Hood ideas like this, or it will end up burning
>   its perpetrators' political rear ends not all that far down the road.  

Doggone.  I was planning to have a bunch of slick, sock-the-worker
Robin-Hood ideas over for a New Years' party.  Now you tell me I
better not entertain them.  'Course, I can't quite figure out what the
consequences would be.  Hmm, i muse to myself, hmm...burning
perpetrators' rear ends not all that far down the road...i know there's
substance in there somewhere...gotta be, right?...ol' h.r. don't post
weird stuff...hmm

Seasons' Greetings, and I mean that in the most PC way :-).

--
Peter Young
young@erim.org
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: bush should be impeached,for the pardon of the good old boys!!!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.080654.29807@gator.use.com> Ted.Schafer@bbs.rn.com (Ted Schafer) writes:
>The pardon is the biggest screw job done on the american public in
>twenty years.We can only hope bush is the last republican president.
>             happy new year to all
>             Ted Schafer
>p.s. If charactor matters so much,I think we picked the right guy two
>     months ago.


No, the biggest screw job on the American people is yet to come, after
January 20.
Simon

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From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.175244.2266@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1hdkcqINNq40@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>]In article <1hdjfpINNcps@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>]|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>]|> > In the meantime, I note that Navy officials reported last Monday 14th
>]|> > that a Chicago Heights 22-year old sailor may have been killed by
>]|> > shipmates because he was gay.
>]|> 
>]|> Ugly, very ugly.  No argument on that one..
>]
>]Ugly.   And also official, and apparently a fatal anti-Gay hate crime.
>
>And also another example of why the conditioning that the military would
>require in order to accept gays would not work. THese sailors were
>obviously conditioned against murder (life in Leavenworth Stockade breaking
>breaks is not to be taken lightly), and yet they still committed. To me,
>this simply highlights the aversion that some young men in the military
>have to gays (no surprise to me), and how hard it would be to change
>that aversion, and how poorly units would function in the interim.
>
>-- 

You are issuing the same arguments that were put forth when President
Truman ordered Black Americans to be integrated into the military services
back in 1948.
The military is a remarkably adaptable group of individuals who will do
what they are told to do, when they are told to do it, even though they
personally do not like the order.
There undoubtedly will be incidents which will cause some individuals to be
brought up on charges before a courts marshall but all of this has happened
before and as time goes by the number of incidents is lessened to the point
that they actually become rare.

Most of what people believe about homosexuals is what they have been told
by the hate perveyors of the extreme right who like to call themselves
'Christians' but whose stock in trade is filling minds with hate so that
they can sell the concept of sin, sin, sin and more sin with the only
salvation for that sin being to contribute more money to the hate mongers.

TIMSHO



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Kicked out of a.f.d-q?  I don't think so
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:57:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <nate.992@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> 
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> I wonder, does Susan Garvin's idea of 'free speech' mean
>> that people can send e-mail to Steve Chaney's system
>> administrators accusing Mr. Chaney of 'forgery', when
>> in fact the 'forgery' was merely a harmless joke?  

> I can't speak for Susan, but your example definitely falls in the 
> category of free speech. 

Perhaps in the legal sense it does, but Ms. Garvin's 
hair-trigger response to an innocent joke seemed to 
indicate her desire to see Steve Chaney's net access
restricted. 

> As a system administrator I might also be tempted 
> to say that it also falls in the category of good citizenship. If I have 
> any people at my site who're posting forged news articles then I want to 
> know about it whether they're doing it as a joke or not. There's this 
> little issue called "network security" which some of us take pretty 
> seriously... 

In the alleged 'forgery', Mr. Chaney placed Susan Garvin's 
name in the 'From:' line, but otherwise he left the header 
intact, including about 5 lines which indicated the sender's 
address.  He even included his own (gigantic) .signature, 
and yet Ms. Garvin felt compelled to tattle on him.  There 
was never any intention to deceive people about the source
of the article, hence no 'forgery' existed.

How could such a harmless joke breach "network security"?  
I have a feeling that's merely an excuse to justify 
ill-deserved punishment.  

> remember, Robert Morris's internet worm started as a 
> "harmless joke".

Oh please, this doesn't even begin to compare.  No harm
was intended, and no harm could have resulted, except
possibly for some harm to Ms. Garvin's already inflated 
ego. 

>Nathan Engle


Doug Holtsinger
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Your own words, of course != bigot
From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:10:38 GMT
Distribution: usa, world
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C059F7.8M8@NeoSoft.com> jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs) writes:
#Actually Susan I did look it up, just to make sure you were not "slyly"
#complementing me. And yes I noticed the quote in your orginal post.
#
#One question:
#
#If I am correct in my assuption that homosexual sex is wrong, am I still
#a bigot?
#
#This is a yes or no question.

Yes.

I called you a bigot not because I disagree with you. but because
you insisted that you were sticking with your position whether
it was right or wrong.  Whether you are actually right or wrong
is irrelevant.

Susan
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:45:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1hvv30INNeca@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>.... I just can't believe that people who are 
>constantly subjected to stereotyping and negative generalizations 
>fall so quickly into it themselves.   Everything I read here paints 
>all Christians as gay-hating fundies, and shows no concept for how 
>*average* christians think.  

    Better sit down, Walter - I agree with you.

    Unfortunately, the *average* xian is a rarity in these groups - it's
usually the hate-spewing, biblebook-quoting, self-righteous types.  Thus, I
and others react when someone comes around using their religion to justify
anti-gay sentiment.  Such arguments carry no weight whatsoever with me, and
no one ever wins them anyway.

    My suggestion would be that xians base their discussions on tenets
unrelated to religion, or at least don't use religion as justification for
a view.  I'm having an email debate on abortion rights with a xian, who not
only doesn't use the biblebook as a weapon, but even allows that it and his
religious beliefs don't make good tactics.  Refreshing, and certainly
affirming that there are rational xians out there.

>I would have no problem being friends with someone who was 
>gay, and talking about gay issues with them; but they (if they were 
>most of the people who have posted on that subject here) wouldn't 
>with me.  

    Your use of the subjunctive implies that you have no gay friends.  If
this is true, it says something to me about the attitude of acceptance that
you project to others.  You certainly know gay people; it just seems that
they don't want to trust you with knowledge of who they are.

-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:58:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1htk4iINNb7l@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes (in response to Bil S.):

>> I would like for my child to bring up from day one
>> to love all humanbeings......
>
>Ditto here.  

    Even though you just *know* that those pesky queers will fry....

>> Minded should be able to send their children to school and not have them
>> being taught values that conflict with the values they have in their
>> home.  But to me you say NO!!!!  
>
>Spare me the rhetoric.  

    Nice comeback, Walter!  Thought-provoking and deep.

>> How dare you......
>
>Ooooooo...I guess I'm just an evil, Rush-loving, gay-bashing, breeder-'phobe..

    You said it; I didn't.  But I agree.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder)
Subject: Re: Homophobe: A definition please!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:51:26 GMT


It will not be found in a dictionary [ yet :( ].  I have never been called a 
homophobe either although I am sure I meet the "definition".  It is simply a 
term used by homosexuals (and supporters) for people who don't want to give 
them special rights.  Rights which they think are "inalienable" but rights
(read 'priveledges') that most people wouldn't have because of their sexual
orientation... go figure.

JSL.
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: Re: HELP! Find all files of a directory in Xview
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:13:16 GMT

In article <lk0avrINN228@thor.cs.utexas.edu> cpg@cs.utexas.edu (Carlos M. Puchol) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.055841.14790@dec8.ncku.edu.tw> wangbs@casd1.iie.ncku writes:
>>
>>   Hi, all:
>>       How can I program to find all files of a directory in Xview. I want to
>>   it like the "Open" option of "File" pop-up menu in Turbo C. In Turbo C, 
>>   you can select the Open option to list many files that you can select.
>>   Since I am not good at Xview, it is better to have a example code to show
>>   me.   HELP!!!
>I picked this from the comp.sys.sun.misc newsgroup some time ago :-)

	FYI, The Devguide 3.0 pkg contains an XView file browser.
	However the api is non-XView-ish unfortunately, but... its not
	*that* bad.

	Frank G.
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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: loser@clueless.newbie.tyro.org ()
Subject: Where is a XView archive?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:45:38 GMT


Hi,
  I'm looking for XView ftp archives.  Basically, lots of XView source code.
Does anyone know of any sites?  Thanks,

Jaime
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Omnipotent One)
Subject: Re: underlining in a ttysw (OW 3.0)
Keywords: ttysw term.underliningStyle
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:11:33 GMT

In article <C093F6.K4@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David R. Linn) writes:
>Can anyone speak authoritively about whether underlining in a ttysw
>should work in OW 3.0?  

I don't seem to be able to cancel this article so I'll answer my own question.
In reading the list of open bugs in xview3/Fixes/Patch-01, I see that this is
a known bug in xview3 and that as of the last update to the Fixes directory
on export.lcs.mit.edu, it has not yet been fixed.  The bug id is 1043723.

	David
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From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Devguide 3.0 generates excessive menu code?
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:48:14 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Is there any way to coerce the Devguide 3.0 connection manager to
create a MENU_NOTIFY_PROC?

Under the connection manager, I specify a source and target menu item,
specify When: Notify, and Op: CallFunction.  In response to this, gxv
generates a MENU_GEN_PROC entry in xxx_ui.h, and a huge (well, ~15 lines)
block of code for *each* menu item in xxx_stubs.c.  Each code block
contains a switch selecting actions from MENU_DISPLAY, MENU_DISPLAY_DONE,
MENU_NOTIFY, and MENU_NOTIFY_DONE.

The proper behavior can be attained by putting code inside the MENU_NOTIFY
section of the switch, but there is certainly a lot of extra rubbish
hanging around for no reason.  All that extra code and all those extra
calls could be avoided if gxv would just generate a MENU_NOTIFY_PROC
instead of a MENU_GEN_PROC in the first place.

This is not really a big deal, since memory is cheap and cycles are
getting faster each year.  I just find it offensive that the tools we
use to develop applications encourage such waste for no reason.

Am I misusing Devguide?
If not, can this be fixed an a future release?
Or should we all forget about Xview and switch to OLIT?

-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil 
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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: foudil@cougar.cat.syr.edu (Foudil Bey Kamal)
Subject: how to specify a PANEL_VALUE that is not integer
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:13:22 EST

I am trying to specify PANEL_VALUE in a statement of the form
for(i=0;i<max;++i)
xv_create(panel,PANEL_NUMERIC_TEXT,...
 	...	...
	PANEL_VALUE,		(float) data[i],
	NULL);

although the values I am interested in are in the array data, when
I display the values, I get the value 100 all the time. 
I am at a loss here, am I missing something?
any help greatly appreciated.