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From:         Mohan Matthen <MMATTHEN@UALTAVM>
Subject:      Overstrike mode
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From: Mohan Matthen
                     PhilosophyDepartment
                    University of Alberta
Overstrike mode is a hassle, as Dorothy Day attests. In addition to setting a
beep to warn one that a character has been overstruck, it is also possible to
set overstrike so that separators -- spaces, punctuation, etc -- are never
overwritten. That way one never loses more than a word.

                                       Best,
                                       Mohan
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For those of use who grew up in Philadelphia, what does "dibs on" mean?

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date: 22 Jul 92 13:17:00 GMT
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Dear Sir,
	Could you please remove my name from the FRAC-L list?
	Thanks in advance.
Yours, C.M.SUN
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From:         rlinh <rlinh@MAILGATE.ENGNET.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Here's how to get off list, etc.
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          Well, unfortunately, not all of us are as fortunate as you
          are, even though I have had that file in my directory ever
          since I have been on the list, which has been over a year.

          Thanks anyway though.

          RLINH@MSE.UFL.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:29:47 EDT
From:         Ralph Frisch <RFFCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Improvements to CAL Where can I FTP a copy of CAL

Like the writer of the msg says, I will wait for it to appear on WUSTL.
In other words SIMTEL.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:08:45 CDT
From:         Phantom Tryke <"guinan::kummer"@KIRK.MSOE.EDU>
Subject:      E-MAIL Filters
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Steve:

>This is not a fix on how to get off the list but since so many people are
>having trouble with unwanted E-Mail.  There is another solution.
>Using an E-Mail filter is the next best thing.

I would be very interested in an E-mail filter -- how can I get one going under
VAX/VMS?

Phantom Tryke
kummer@kirk.msoe.edu
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:10:23 EDT
From:         Dave Re <CC100DR@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Getting Off This List - Again

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:41:00 EDT <LINDA@NUHUB> said:
>Well, I've tried everything. I even got a message back from the listowner
>telling me that I have been removed from the list, but I am still getting mail.
>I now join the ranks of all those who can't get off this list. Any help would
>be appreicated. Thanks.
>

   Well, you don't exist on the FRAC-L list. This means that mail is
not directly sent to you. I removed you from that list. However,
you may be receiving mail from a address that acts as a distribution
point. I would check into that. Also, if you *ever* subscribed under
a different address and then had that mail forwarded to you, then
let me know that address., and I'll remove it as well....

Dave
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:32:09 EDT
From:         Dave Re <CC100DR@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      READ THIS !!!!!

To the subscribers of the Fractal Discussion List:

     Let me see if I can clarify some of the problems that appear to
be happening on this list.

     When this list started, it was begun as a courtesy by the listserv
administrators to the part of the computing community that wanted to discuss
fractals. The list administrator, who was also our listserv postmaster, was
Dave Lester. Dave has since graduated from Tech and the listserv pstmaster
position, and, hence, the FRAC-L list coordinator position was passed on to
me. Unfortunately, we never realized that the FRAC-L community would have
problems reaching their list coordinator, and never realized that there was
a problem. Any requests for help that were sent to me (now a total of six)
were handled quickly. Several people also sent notes with a subject line
of "help" and no body to their message. To those people I replied "What
can I help you with?" and I haven't heard from them since.
     So....   I am the list coordinator. My e-mail address is included
below. If you have problems with anything, send mail to me. I will help you.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask them. That's what I'm here for.
     As an aside, it was suggested to me that this list might be better off
with a list coordinator who was interested in the topics discussed in the
list. If anyone would be interested in becoming the list coordinator for
this list, please send me e-mail. (note, do not reply to this note to get
to me, as it will go out to the entire FRAC-L community) Just so that everyone
knows, the job of a listserv list coordinator is to handle problems involved
with his/her list, including subscriptions, delivery errors, etc, and to
notify the listserv postmaster if there are problems that he/she can't solve.
     Thank you for your time.

--
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:23:29 -0700
From:         brindley@ECE.ORST.EDU
Subject:      Re: Question : IFS codes under small perturbation
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              28 Jul 92 18:04:00 -0700. <9207281103.AA20087@oce.orst.edu>

Jiun Shiu writes:
> Hi,
>     Are there any studies or references of the behavior of an IFS under
> small perturbation due to "finite word length" effect. That is, when a
> (an) IFS simulated on computer with finite precission for its coefficients,
> how will its attractor change ?
>    I think this problem is far beyond my ability in math. So I am looking for
> references for it. Thanx for any kindly help.

> Jiun Shiu (bitnet : shiu@twnas886     internet : d9506007@csie.ntu.edu.tw)

Truncation and other errors due to finite word length or limited precission
math are generally not a problem.  In order for the IFS to converge to an
image, it must be a set of contractive mappings - throw a square (of any
size, at any position) through the mappings, and the new figure will always
cover less area than the old square.  This causes any positional errors that
have crept into the calculation to also contract -->  Errors tend to
disappear!

Several people who have written IFS programs seem to have overlooked
that basic fact as their programs use floating point arithmetic.  I have
had good results doing IFS computer graphics using only 16 bit integers
(changing scaling factors to keep some bits of precision below the
pixel level had no effect that I could see).  Barnsley seems to have
already noticed this, as the IFS codes appearing in his book (Fractals
Everywhere) are given to only a couple of digits.


  --> Mike Brindley     brindley@ece.orst.edu     INCRE, Inc.
"'Eureka' is Greek for 'This bath is too hot'." - The Doctor
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:53:44 -0900
From:         Chaos <KSJWB@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lyapunov pseudocode

QUIT
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:17:53 GMT
From:         DAVID1@VAXA.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK
Subject:      GAUSSIAN PLANE
X-To:         FRAC-L%GITVM1.BITNET@NSFNET-RELAY.AC.UK

PAGE 27 OF BEAUTY OF FRACTALS refers rto   to `compl    
 Gaussian Plane of complex
numbers", and no one I talk to knows why the `Gaussisan   an'    
        plane is `Gaussian" '.
Anyone know. ?  I've never really found a clear math book which
enables me to understand the notation of BoF - any booo ks liked
by anyonbe?   e?
Regards David Walter
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:04:00 PDT
From:         Jiun Shiu <SHIU@TWNAS886.BITNET>
Subject:      Question : IFS codes under small perturbation

Hi,
    Are there any studies or references of the behavior of an IFS under
small perturbation due to "finite word length" effect. That is, when a
(an) IFS simulated on computer with finite precission for its coefficients,
how will its attractor change ?
    I think this problem is far beyond my ability in math. So I am looking for
references for it. Thanx for any kindly help.

Jiun Shiu (bitnet : shiu@twnas886     internet : d9506007@csie.ntu.edu.tw)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:05:00 -0400
From:         Steve Rafferty <E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Possibly Trivial Fractal Question

     I am not a mathematician (though I am reasonably intelligent and
understand in a general sort of way mathematical operations on the
complex plane  ;-)  ) and so I would like to ask a question of those
of you who understand these things better than I.  (I'm mostly in it
for the pretty pictures).

     I was at the mall the other day looking down at a circular
three tiered fountain.  People had been throwing coins in the fountain
for some time.  There were perhaps a few thousand coins in the water.
I noted that the arrangement of coins around the circular fountain
seemed to form a familiar shape.  It was not so much like the M-set
paricularly but more like a Julia set where the parameters have pulled
it into a doughnut like shape (but with peaks and swirls etc.)

     Question:  is this (apparent) phenomenon related to fractals
or should I plan to spend some quiet time away from my monitor?
Sorry, if this trivial question offends anyone.

Steve
E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET
E7L8RAF@TOE.TOWSON.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:10:00 GMT
From:         DAVID1@VAXA.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Fractint on the Mac

Apparently BORGLASND   NDS c++            
 BORGLANDS TURBO C++3.1 for WINDOWS generates GUI nicely -
AND ALSO COMPLILES     ILES COMPLEX NUMBERS DIRECTL;Y  Y, so you
 can a + b*c     = b*c directl;y  y
where
  al   a b & c are comples x.  That would be much easier.  There
 must be a
C++ for the MACS surely?
Regrds David Walter Middlsex University.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:57:22 EDT
From:         Dave Re <CC100DR@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: I'm OFF! And here's how I did it:
              22 Jul 1992 07:36:00 WET from
              <jsampson%onreur.decnet@ONREUR.NAVY.MIL>

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:36:00 WET ONREUR::JSAMPSON said:
>A short note to Dave Re does the trick.  Thanks Dave!  -- John

    For addresses that aren't the same as the address that subcribed
(ie. Having your mail forwarded, etc..) that's about the only way to get
off the list. If you send mail to me, I should be able to correct any
problems that may arise. Shortly, there will be a new list owner, but
I can still correct problems if there's a need for my help.
    Thanks :)

Dave Re
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:42:00 EST
From:         LINDA@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Here's how to get off list, etc.

I frequently run into this problem when trying to signoff a list. One of the
suggestions I am usually given by the listserver is to do a REVIEW to find
out how I am actually signed on. For instance, when I tried to sign off of this
list I got a message from the Listserver telling me that the node they read
cannot be found in the subscriber list - the listserver sees me as LINDA@
NUHUB, but when I went to examine the list of subscriber's I am listed as
LINDA@HUB or LINDA@HUB2. Frankly I don't know enough about this to know why
I am listed differently. As soon as I found out how I was listed, I sent a
note to the listowner directly telling him to get me off. No reply yet and so
I am still here long enough to send this note. Hope this helps.

Douglas B. Hanson
Bioengineering Department
Forsyth Dental Center
linda@nuhub
linda@nuhub.acs.northeastern.edu
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:31:00 EDT
From:         Eddie Kuns <EKUNS@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Here's how to get off list, etc.

]But one thing that really ticks me off are all the messages asking how to
]get off this mailing list.

Haven't you been reading their messages?  They have tried all of the known
methods of getting off the list, and failed.  This includes:

1) signoff

2) signoff (global

3) sending mail to the "list manager"

When those 3 fail, what are you supposed to do?  People who aren't directly on
the internet or bitnet, or people whose site changes somehow while they are
connected, cannot always use the signoff command.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:26:27 CDT
From:         Dave Uherka <UHERKA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Question : IFS codes under small perturbation

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:04:00 PDT Jiun Shiu said:
>Hi,
>    Are there any studies or references of the behavior of an IFS under
>small perturbation due to "finite word length" effect. That is, when a
>(an) IFS simulated on computer with finite precission for its coefficients,
>how will its attractor change ?

     Barnsley's book, _Fractal Everywhere_, Academic Press, 1988,
has two kinds of results dealing with this type of question.
     On page 113 he has a theorem that says basically that the
fractal attractor depends continuously on the parameters in the
IFS, meaning that small changes in the parameters result in
small changes in the fractal.
     In sections 4.6-4.8 he discusses 'shadow theorems', which
say basically that using slightly inaccurate arithmetic in
computing an orbit (i.e., using a computer, rather than
exact arithmetic) of a dynamical system, gives a result that
is close to some orbit of the dynamical system.
     I think that there are many people working on new
results along these lines but I don't have references.

Dave Uherka, Math Dept, Univ. of ND, USA
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:15:47 EST
From:         Zinnie Jones <ZJONES@UMAB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Getting off FRAC-L@GITVM1

William Sommers,

I work for Administrative Computing at UMAB.  Are you a student?
If so what is your major and what is your interest in Fractals?


Zinnie
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:55:01 EDT
From:         Dave Re <CC100DR@VM1.GATECH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Signoff via Dave Re
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              29 Jul 1992 14:37:18 CDT from
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:37:18 CDT AD57801 said:
>I read a note that indicated that Dave Re can get one off the Frac-L
>list.  Does anyone have his BITNET address?  Thanks.

     Well, you managed to reach me. Would you like to be removed from
the list???

Dave Re
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From:         NAHY1@VAXC.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK
Subject:      Test mail from David Walter
X-To:         frac-l%gitvm1.bitnet@NSFNET-RELAY.AC.UK

This a test mail from Middlesex University on behalf of David Walter
Please reply.

Thank You.
Nahy.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:41:00 EDT
From:         LINDA@NUHUB.BITNET
Subject:      Getting Off This List - Again

Well, I've tried everything. I even got a message back from the listowner
telling me that I have been removed from the list, but I am still getting mail.
I now join the ranks of all those who can't get off this list. Any help would
be appreicated. Thanks.

Douglas B. Hanson
Bioengineering Dept
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Boston, MA 02115        linda@nuhub.acs.northeastern.edu
                        linda@nuhub
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From:         AD57801 <AD57801@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Signoff via Dave Re

I read a note that indicated that Dave Re can get one off the Frac-L
list.  Does anyone have his BITNET address?  Thanks.

Lolita Gilkes
Educational Computing Laboratory
Richland College
12800 Abrams Road
Dallas, TX  75243-2199

Phone:  (214) 238-6375
FAX:    (214) 238-6352
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:52:47 EDT
From:         Tom Frenkel <FRENKEL@CPMAIL-AM.CIS.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Here's how to get off list, etc.
X-To:         csc2scj@CABELL.VCU.EDU, FRAC-L%GITVM1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

> This is not a fix on how to get off the list but since so many people are
> having trouble with unwanted E-Mail.  There is another solution.
>
> Using an E-Mail filter is the next best thing.
>
> This will allow any messages from unwanted sources to be deleted before you
> even recieve them (for all practical purposes).
>
Hi -- I can understand people's desperation when they find themselves
stuck on a list they want to get off of ... but I'm not sure it's a
good idea to encourage use of such a "filter".  Why add, to a perhaps
already over-burdened network, traffic that will never even be looked
at?
                                    --Tom
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:46:00 CST
From:         "Robert S. Trocke" <88923569@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject:      Fractint Drivers

Hello Mr. World:

I've been using a really cheap PS/2 with FractInt, so of course
I haven't had any problems with video drivers.  Today I gave a
copy to a friend with a 50MHz 486.  He has a 17 in. NEC 5fg(?) monitor
and a Farenheit 1280 video card.  We couldn't get anything to work
better than 320x200-256c.  Does any one have this card or got it working
on FractInt?  I really can not wait to see what FractInt can do on a
*REAL* computer.
                     Thanks in advance for any help!
                     Bob

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:49:21 BST
From:         "Tim.Harris" <tharris@COMPUTING-DEPARTMENT.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Improvements to CAL Where can I FTP a copy of CAL

> Tim,
>
> Where can I ftp a copy of your CAL V3.0?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom Jennings

The current version (V2.5) is available from the Hensa Miscros PD archive on
JANET. I don't know if this is available from America - try mailing
Hensa@uk.ac.hensa.micros to ask them. Files are available via E-Mail, send
a message containing just the word HELP to archive-server@uk.ac.hensa.micros.

The file is held in micros/ibmpc/dos/g/g233/g233.uue. This version is a few
months old, so it may well be better to wait for CAL to appear on SIMTEL where
it can be obtained by FTP, probably from the msdos/graphics directory.

Tim Harris
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:46:19 -0900
From:         Chaos <KSJWB@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lyapunov pseudocode

Y
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:03:00 GMT
From:         DAVID1@VAXA.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Fractint on the Mac

fROM dAVID wALTER	                    
      From David Walter Middlesex University - MACA S seem to
 alost   most dominate
the Arts world - I would like a copy of FRACTINT suitable for MACS too.
So fat I have to            ar I have to GIF > TIF with
 PAINTSHOP > MAC > CONVERT MAC TIFF 
& then print.  Wif th files>1.4MB it gets more dificult.
Regards David
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