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From: suvendu@nsc.nsc.com (Suvendu Ray)
Subject: Oil light comes on while idling on '86 Tercel
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:27:12 GMT


The oil light on my '86 Toyota Tercel comes on after a few minutes of
starting the car in the morning or when it is cold. It comes on when I
press the brakes and take my foot off the gas pedal. However, when I
lightly press the gas pedal, the light goes away. Also, if I put the
gear to N or P (it is an automatic transmission), the light either goes
away or flickers. The problem goes away after I drive around for a while.

Also, a light vibrating noise comes from the rear underside of the car
(the muffler ?) when the engine is cold started. This noise also goes
away when I press on the gas pedal. I have put a new muffler, but the
noise still remains.

Please advise on what is causing this and what needs to be done.

Thanks.

- Suvendu

From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:28:42 GMT
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:

| In article <1icop2INNlu1@menudo.uh.edu>, esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu () writes:
| |> 
| |> Hi,
| |> 
| |> I understand saying that "Assembling" is the lowest tech of all the
| |> phases of manufacturing is not always correct, but considering
| |> auto-manufacturing, we can clearly see the trend that the Japanese are
| |> assembling their cars here in the USA, much of which is done by robots
| |> anyway, isn't it?
| |> 
| |> Of course, then, they say that their cars are "Made in USA" so as to
| |> evade tariffs & the like. But, where is the major bulk of the profits
| |> going to? Are the profits going to our assembling plant workers?
| |> Undoubtedly, the Japanese companies are the ones reaping all that
| |> profits. What do you call this? The transfer of American wealth across
| |> the Pacific!
| |> 
| |> --
| |> Arthur
|
| The value added to a product by workers is beneficial to their community.
| If a worker adds a lot of value to a product, then he/she will be highly paid. 
| Generally, in today's economy, skilled "high tech" workers add more to the value
| of a product and hence command higher income and higher standards of living.
| (Note: workers = {engineers, assembly line workers, technicians, salespeople,
| managers, etc.})
|
| Design, Engineering, Component Manufacturing, Final Assembly, Marketing and
| Shipping all add value to the product.  If final assembly is very important and
| adds a lot of value, then a community should covet the opportunity to do final 
| assembly.  It's citizens will be well paid and lead comfortable lives.  However,
| my guess is that the value of final assembly of automobiles and their shipping
| is a small fraction of the total value.
|
| The final "Made in Country A" stickers are useless.  What is more important is
| how much of the value of the car was due to the labor and know how of people in
| Country A.
|
|
|

Part of the reason for the "Made in Country X" stickers is for US Customs
requirements.  A product is deemed to be "made" in a country when it either
is really fabricated there, or when a significant value is added eg stuffing
components onto a bare PCB.  I'm no legal/customs expert, so std disclaimer
applies.

Lawrence

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Get a car heated in winter: How long is appropriate?
Keywords: Heating
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:35:33 GMT

In article <184848@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <issa.726378659@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>>
>>From what I've read, the latest news on this is, you shouldn't warm up the
>>car [while parked] for more than a [very] few minutes. The car should warm 
>>up nicely while driving it. I'm not sure if the reason given was for gas 
>>economy, it's better for the engine, or both. Does anybody have more info 
>>on this?
> 
>    Well, while the car is idling you are getting 0 miles per
>    gallon....so the ecofreaks do have a legit complaint.
>
>    The real problem with warming up the engine in this manner is
>    that most drivers then assume that the REST of the car is warmed
>    up to operating temperature.  The suspension, tires,
>    transmission, etc. all really need to be warmed up gradually in
>    cold areas.  This is SUPPOSED to be done by driving "gently" for
>    the first few miles.
>

quick comment here - if your wheels seem frozen, or if you can easily do
so, try backing up a bit - the wheels break loose easier in reverse than 
in forward - don't know why, but that's what my dad always had me do

>    Whether a cold driver ignoring traffic safety is sufficient
>    danger compared to this is a personal decision.   
>
>>I do know thou that you are not supposed to turn the heat on until the car 
>>warmeed up. 
>>
>    Won't hurt a thing.  Its just that on water cooled cars, the
>    thermostat doesn't send a whole heck of a lot of warm water to
>    the heater until it begins to open.

remember, even if the air is cold coming out, you may still need to 
turn on the defrosters in order to keep the window clear

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: bumpy right side
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:26:29 GMT

In article <mxm1003.726425052@msi.umn.edu>, mxm1003@s22.msi.umn.edu (Ram V. Mohan) writes:
|> 
|> Yesterday night when I was driving I felt the right side of my car
|> bumping up and down.  It is as if the right side is moving up and
|> down with thumping noises and is oscillating on its own.  Any 
|> symptoms of problems etc?.  The car in question is mazda 323
|> hatchback.  Thanks.
|> 
|> 

Did you drive through deep snow?  Sometimes some snow gets in the wheel
and freezes there.  This throws the balance of that wheel off, and you
get a bumpy ride.  Check it out before you pay any money.
-- 
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From: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson)
Subject: AMIGO Information
Organization: Motorola
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:21:46 MST


I have been looking at the smaller 4X4's for a runabout vehicle.  It
will probably end up to be a vehicle left at the vacation home.

Ever since it first came out, I have been intrigued by the looks of the
Amigo.  I have yet to test drive one.

If anyone has experiences, flames or whatever on the Amigo, I would
appreciate them.

Thanks for the help.

*============================================================================*
*                                *    __________                             *
* Paul Anderson                  *   /          \___   Exceptional Vehicles  *
*   ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM   *  __Range_Rover__        are for         *
*                                *     (_)      (_)    Exceptional People|   *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Christopher J. Born
Subject: Why 2 keys?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:10:01 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: born@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

If this hasn't appeared already:

There was an article in the NEW YORK TIMES last week (I don't 
remember the exact date) about why cars have two keys.  It showed 
the number of cars that manufacturers created with one and two 
keys and reasons why.  

GM continues to make every vehicle with 2 keys except the 
SATURN.  Reasons given included logistic problems in coordinating
the assembly of the cars doors with that of the steering column
considering that all of GM's steering columns for all of its
cars are made in one plant.  And, that on some cars their keys
have an electronic chip imbedded in them that allows the car
to start - this is supposed to prevent theft of the car.

Most (if not all) Japanese manufactures only require one key.

Some manufacturers are creating a key that will open every lock
on the car except the trunk.


-Chris
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: ++HELP ME FIND $100-175/MO. NEW CAR++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:47:27 GMT

I am now in the market for a dependable new car that has a good reputation
(both car and seller).

I would like to spend around $100-$175 a month (and this could be for 60 or
66 months and I wouldn't mind.

We already have a four-door, so a two-door would be nice-but would take a
decent four-door if I liked it (ie. Lumina Euro, Taurus, Sable).

Air, PS, PB, ABS (don't NEED it), Auto (only with pep)/Stick, V6 (unless
you've got a GOOD 4 that will scoot-like what's in the Olds Acheiva, and
most important...a GOOD WARRANTY.

Please email me with your responces if you would.  I will repost a summary
if there is enough response.

Thank you!
-- 
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    'BABY BOOOM'          'MS. BABY BOOOM'           'MINT CONDITION'
"Car-Audio for Sale"     Under Construction     "Bike For Sale-Make Offer"
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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: stipes on speedometer
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:31:14 GMT
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.

I own a 65 porsche 356SC.. the speedometer has some vertical stripes
starting at about 20 mph and ending at about 35 mph... I have the original
owners manual but I can find nothing that references these stripes...
there are about 3 of these vertical stripes next to each other...

Anyone know what these mean?

Thanks, all.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Geo Prizm vs. Honda Civic
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:36:16 GMT

In article <0fIRziK00UzxE37Ylp@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
>This has been mentioned before, but not strongly enough for my tastes:
>check out Saturn! Among other things, since you're looking at 4-doors,
>I'm assuming size is an issue; Saturns are _much_ bigger on the inside
>than Geos or Civics (actually, almost as big as Accords, Honda's "big"
>car), and in every way wonderful. I'm 6'-1", and was comfy in the back
>behind my dad (6'-4") driving (who had no problems fitting). Plus,
>Saturn features many touches not available in this range (even from
>almighty Honda), such as the bags, the paint job, the traction control
>(pretty cheap, although of course requiring auto), etc. And the best
>dealers this side of $30k.
>
>JMR
>HSK
>

sorry, but 1993 saturns are subcompacts and the 1993 geo prism is classified
as a compact.  not saying it is way roomier than saturn...but it is certainly
as roomy as saturn if not more roomy.  even on last years models it is a 
stretch for you to say that saturns are _much_ bigger than geo prism.
just stating the facts.

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From: dannyj@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Danny K. Jain)
Subject: Buying a used Miata
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:44:47 GMT

Hi,

I am thinking about buying a used Miata, probably 1990.  I was wondering if any
knowledgeable people out there could tell me what to look for.  Did any of the
1990's have ABS?  I heard that they all had airbags.

Also, what is a good price?  (I am looking for a standard).

I saw an ad in the paper for a repossessed 1990 Miata with 18K miles that they 
claim is "loaded" and clean for $8400.  Is this a good price?

I read the newsgroup regularly, so you can either post or reply to me.

Thanks,
Danny Jain
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: Does anyone own a Mitsubishi Expo? (mini-van)
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:31:35 GMT


Hi,
Does anyone own a Mitsubishi Expo? I am seriously
considering buying this car. I have read the specs
on it in Consumer Reports and Consumer Guide,
but I haven't found anything on its repair
record or safety record.

Have you had to repair anything so far that you didn't
expect?
I heard that parts of this car have been used elsewhere.
For example, the engine was used in a truck (I forget
what model) and the transmission has been used in the
Gaulant (spelling?) Supposeably, these items have had
good ratings. The engine in the 1992 LRV is a new
design so there really isn't any repair rating for it yet.

Have you ever taken it on the snow? How does it handle
in the rain or during normal use?

Has anyone heard about the differences between the 1992 
and 1993 models (Expo and LRV)?

Thanks for any info you might have!

Vivian
viviana@tamri.comivian

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From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Removing decals from windows
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:36:19 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1993Jan6.135823.12500@walter.bellcore.com> scott@phelixsalt writes:
>Hello,
>
>   What's the best way to remove decals (expired parking stickers) from
>the inside of a car window?  
Use a scrapper. It is a razor blade attached to a handle most car dealers
have them as do university parking officies.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Foreign (was Re: Before Buying Japanese).
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:21:56 GMT


In article <1993Jan13.024653.22772@EE.Stanford.EDU> sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
!In article <1993Jan12.214149.22770@sco.com>, garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
!|> 
!|> But if you eliminate your prejudices, does it matter if I buy American
!|> or Japanese? Fine, I'll get out of this discussion by buy buying German 8-).
!|> 
!
!Prejudicies aside, it DOES matter.  The final top label (German/Japanese/American)
!does not matter.  But the US content of the product does matter.  If people in
!this country were employed making the product, then they will be able to...
!
!1) Spend that money buying other products, thereby, creating more jobs.
!     More People with jobs ==> More money being spent in the economy ==>
!     More Computer Systems sold ===> Greater demand for SCO products ===>
!     SCO revenues and profits increase ==> Gary H gets a raise ==>
!     Spends his extra money ===> More People with jobs.
!     
!   Or conversely:
!     Fewer People with jobs ==> Less money being spent in the economy ==> 
!     Fewer Computer Systems sold ===> Much Smaller Demand for SCO products ==>
!     SCO lays off people ==> Gary H out of a job.  ==> Fewer People with jobs.

I must say, I like your examples! 8-)

This is a capitalistic society.  Correct me if I am wrong.  The reason the US
is in the hole is because their products __were__ shitty (ie: cars, electronics,
etc).  The Japanese were kicking their butts, which caused the US to
rethink their products and try to make better quality cars, electronics, etc.
How, you tell me if this competition has improved the US? Course it has!  I
for one think American stuff is alot better now because of the foreign
competition (mainly from japan).  In time (which is probably right now,
people will start buying american products and if it's as good, they'll jump
ship).  That's how it worked and will always work! Remember, when japanese
cars first came out, they were considered cheap, ugly, and a to have one
(just like Hyundai's 8-)).  However, people were so sick of the big 3
wringing money from their pockets that they jumped shipped.  Now, it's all a
matter of time.  Soooooooooooo, calm down guys.. Be patient cuz you will see
the US gain it's it's market back, but don't knock the japanese, especially
since they're the ones that put the big 3 in its place.

Gary



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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Subject: Re: Sports Car Opinions Wanted
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:14:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.185835.22083@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>In article <9068@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> riggert@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Eric F. Riggert) writes:
>for the low end have her check out a sentra se-r.  also the celica, diamond-
>star cars and nissan 240sx will be all new for 1994 and they will arrive early
>in 1993 as 94 models...so if she can wait 3-6 months she will have more choices.
>the mr2 is being dumped..so *maybe* you can get a good deal on a 93...or
>maybe they won't deal if demand is high.  the honda del sol si and mx-3 
>are underpowered and overpriced(imo, just drive them...i was very unimpressed
>by these cars and shocked at their sticker prices).  also check out the 
>ford probe gt and mazda mx-6(same car..but thousands more).

Does anyone have any specifics on the new DSM cars that are supposed to come
out?


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Car dealers
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:27:35 GMT

In article <1id4ghINNseu@anthrax.solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:

>[...] My favorite example
>is Oak Tree Mazda.  Not only did their salesperson ask "who wears the pants in
>the family" when I mentioned I needed to consult my wife on something, the
>sales manager went so far as to make several comments about what the sex life
>between my wife and I must be like.  

When I was looking at RX-7s last spring, I too had the misfortune to enter
Oak Tree Mazda.  Not only did I have to sit awhile while the salessleaze
"convinced" the manager (a little fatass whose face has "slug me" written
all over it) that I was worthy of a test drive, but the manager informed
me that it was "his" car I'd be driving.  Translation:  he was driving
an unsold car.  His admonition to me, to be careful with "his" car, broke
the straw.  I may test-drive there but I'll never buy.  Never.

What was amusing was his attempts to assure me that they had the best
prices and the best financing.  When I got Car Bargains into the act,
Oak Tree's response to the bid request was to "go to hell."  I have it
in writing.

My advice to Bay Area buyers is simple:  get out of the Bay Area.  I
went to Seaside for my RX-7.  The extra hour's drive was offset by
a price that was $300 lower than anyone else, a lower advertising fee,
and an experience I didn't think possible:  a pleasant, informed and
honest salesperson.  Not a difficult choice to make.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Tricks for cold weather?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:43:06 GMT

In article <C0HvoE.CAp@tss.com> hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes:
>What's the best trick you've seen for keeping 
>locks from freezing in cold weather? I've 
>heard about squirting chemicals in the locks,
>but can't remember what chemical. My second
>question is what's the best trick for unfreezing
>them after they are frozen? We are experiencing
>some unusually cold weather at our ski areas and
>the best snow in years. Needless to say, I 
>experienced some of those lock problems last
>weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
>         Hanson 

there is a spray for the key locks - it has some antifreeze stuff in
it - can't remember the name - if all else fails, heat the key (with
matches or warm/hot light) and _gently_ start inserting the key into
the lock and _gently_ try moving teh key back and forth till the 
ice is melted and the key turns freely - _remember_ I said heat the key
not turn it white/red hot, and to _gently_ work the key in the lock

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From: genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:03:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Honda 1992 EX Coupe and ABS Brakes
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

We have a 92 EX with ABS and the brakes work fine.  We don't get a lot
of snow here (Seattle area), but when we do, the ABS cuts in more often.
My wife drives it more than I do, and it's hard to make a comparison
without driving another car like it in the same conditions, but my
feeling is that it helps.  Of course, I'm biased; the ABS is one of the
biggest reasons we bought this particular car.

I don't know how many channels they have.  I could look in the shop manual
I bought, but I'll probably forget until I get it out for something else.

(next time I want traction control and a limited-slip diff, too)

-Gene
From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Subject: Re: Opinions: 4runner, Explorer and Pathfinder
Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil
Organization: Grumman Data Systems	
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:02:53 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12810]: invader.navo.navy.mil

In article <1993Jan11.153926.28880@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
|> >Consumer magazines usually recommend the Explorer over the Jeep despite
|> >the superiority of the Jeep suspension, probably because it is quite
|> >a bit cheaper and has more room. 
|> 
|> If you are talking about Consumer Reports, I'd like to know where you
|> got that idea. They recently tested some 4x4's and preferred the Grand

I use CR when shopping for cordless telephones and dishwashing
detergent, but not for cars.  Car and Driver did a 4x4 comparison,
and picked the Isuzu Trooper as the best vehicle overall.

Kenneth

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