From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Carol Everett
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:08:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.193424.27432@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.180708.16207@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gbernath@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Gregory Bernath) writes:
>>Carol Everett is coming to speak on our campus on Nov. 26.  I would
>>be interested in any information about her.
>>A little about her (claimed) background:
>>   - worked in and ownded two abortion clinics from 1977 to 1983
>Ok.
>
>>   - one of her clinics busted for performing abortions on non-pregant
>>     women, and for abortions performed by non-doctors.
>I see. I know you're not making an argument against abortion but
>I see this sort of argument made commonly. The fact that there
>are abortion clinics where fraud occurs is not particularly surprising
>since fraud occurs in most businesses. I fail to see how this
>can be used as an argument that abortion should be illegal.
>I have never, however, seen the court records that substantiate
>that anyone has ever been prosecuted for performing abortions on
>non-pregnant women.
>As for abortions performed by non-doctors--I was not aware that
>that was illegal. I know I've had a lot of medical care
>(though not abortions, obviously) done for me   by nurses.
>
Abortion is a surgical procedure performed only by licensed phsycians
(legally). It is certainly beyond the scope of practice for nurses,
and is beyond the scope of practice for Physicians Assistants and
Nurse Pracitioners in every state for which I have seen the practice
acts.

>>   - 20 women (out of 35,000 abortions) "maimed or killed"
>That would be surprising, since the overall rate is something
>like 1/100 major complications and 1-2/100000 deaths.
>Were her doctors particularly incompetent or is she just being
>VERY loose with the term "maimed or killed"
>
Here we go again... I haven't posted the entire table here since some
twit claimed a 27% infection rate for abortins, so I guess it's time
to do it again....

Complication		D&C	Suction
---------------------------------------
Hemorrhage		1.0	0.5
Infection		0.9	0.8
Perforation		1.9	1.3
Anesthesia		0.1	0.1
Retained Products	0.5	0.5
Lacerated Cervix	0.3	0.2
All other complications	0.4	0.3
----------------------------------------
Total morbidity [1]	5.1	3.7
Total Mortality [2]	2.8	1.2

[1] Complications per 1000 abortions.
[2] Deaths per 100,000 abortions.

[Martin, LL: _Health Care of Women_ Philadelphia, JB Lippincott, 1978]
Obviously oldder data, but the saftey rates have only gone up, so
these numbers reflect higher numbers of complkications then newer
figures would show.

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