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From: lestak@spot.Colorado.EDU (LESTAK LEANNE R)
Subject: Position open for programmer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:28:09 GMT

PROGRAMMER (Professional Research Assistant) to develop 
Macintosh 4th Dimension database, maintain, update, and run 
FORTRAN programs, and manage small Macintosh network for 
ecology laboratory.  Knowledge of Macintosh, UNIX, FORTRAN, 
and relational databases essential.  Experience with UNIX systems 
administration, geographic information systems, particularly 
ARC/INFO, and remote sensing a plus.  Must be flexible and 
interested in working in multi-system environment with non-expert 
users.  Minimum requirement BA in computer science or related 
field, or MA in ecology, geology, or geography with appropriate 
experience.  $25-28,000/year + benefits package.  Send resume, 
including names and addresses of three references, to Marilyn 
Walker, INSTAAR, Campus Box 450, Boulder, CO, 80309-0450, 
or mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu.  Closing date for applications 
4/21/92.

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From: jfrank@teal.csn.org (Joe Frank)
Subject: Time wanted on RS/6000
Summary: IMS wants to buy time on an RS/6000 in denver
Keywords: RS/6000
Organization: Colorado SuperNet Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:53:42 GMT

Integrated Medical Systems in Golden is looking to buy time on an RS/6000.
We are behind schedule and need to port to A/IX 3.1 or 3.2.  Fees are
negotiable.  An IMMEDIATE response would be greatly appreciated.  Contact
Joe Frank at (303) 279-6116 if interested.

Denver metro area only please (we don't want long distance charges).

-- 
                 Joseph T. Frank
                 jfrank@csnet.org     (303) 279-6116
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From: kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Where Did All the Money Go??
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:51:23 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver
Originator: kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu

The thought of the S&L bailout, and the (heinous) spectre of the
upcoming commerical bank bailout (I knew it was coming, I knew it!
the bastards), coupled with the failures of major pension plans
and the deficit now completely being completely out of our grasp
has made me wonder.  Where did all the money go?  

I know, I know--it went to the military and to the rich.  That's the
accepted line, I know--and I use it alot, too.  But it seems to
me that billions and billions (where's Carl Sagan when you _really_
need him? :-) of dollars couldn't have been absorbed like that without
a significant, noticable change.  For example, I don't hear about too
many new ultra-rich millionares (the ones with 300+ or so million),
and I know that Reagan shoveled money into the Pentagon like coal into
the boilers of the Titanic (with roughly the same result), but...
I don't know.

On a local level, I wonder what Denver did with all bond money.  The
streets are still horrible, the schools are still out of money, 
the parks system still needs revamping, the facilities (libraries,
rec centers, etc) are all crumbling--what happened?

The baseball stadium is another thing.  I am ill-informed on the
subject, but my impression is that taxpayer money is being used
to help the developers.  Like so many other big projects in Denver,
it seems to me like we pay _them_ to build and then profit from
a venture, taking money from the taxpayers at both ends.

Of course, I could be wrong.  :-)  Somehow, though, I don't think so.

Kip
Kip
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From: dyker@locutus.colorado.edu (Barbara Dyker,cs ops,22545,530-5275)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.231300.21149@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.ncar.ucar.edu (Gary  
Strand) writes:
> > Why do you "believe Perot is not worthy of being President"?
> 
>   Because he has indicated a willingness to violate the Constitution in order
>   to do what *he* believes needs to be done, and that's unacceptable behavior
>   from a President. Indeed, it's illegal and impeachable behavior. 

Did you see the Perot interview of this past weekend - aired
on cspan with others?  This specific issue was raised and clarified and
was never what you and many others imply.  It's unfortunate so many
people draw absolute conclusions based on insufficient or mis-information.

> I take a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be 
> politicians.  They have something up their sleeve far too many times to be 
> trustworthy.

More misinformation.  Who said Perot wants to be president?  Not him.
He's made it very clear he's not interested.  One could certainly
theorize that's just a game - part of his richy trickery, but there
is zilch to support that idea.

In article <1992Apr09.224202.20463@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>  
davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU (<y>ork) writes:
> If we are going to whine about everyone who is willing to run then the only
> option left is to draft someone.  

This is actually how Perot is involved.  He is not technically 'running.'

In yet another article from Gary:
> What if, by some fluke, he wins? I guess we "losers" just gotta grin-n-bear
> it, eh?

Why not?  This "loser" has suffered through the last 12 years of previous 
presidents at least as bad in their own way.

In more and more articles from Gary:
> No, Perot is not a good choice for President.

> The guy isn't going to get my vote.

Cheap shots time... Thanks for your vote against Perot, Gary. 
That's a point in his favor in my book.

> Put it this way -- he couldn't pay me enough to work for him...

What makes you think he'd want to hire you?


I too would be interested in hearing less biased views on this
campaign year than those of Gary NRA Strand.  Facts, rather than
hearsay and propogation of misinformation, would be great too.

Barbara J. Dyker                       Department of Computer Science
dyker@cs.colorado.edu                  University of Colorado
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: Rarely 
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:02:29 GMT


>  Steve Gombosi
>> Gary Strand

>> If he acts the same as Prez as he did as CEO of EDS, we'll have random
>> urinalysis, a forced separation of unmarried couples who happen to live
>> together, and probably more dumping on the Bill of Rights than we do now.

> You forgot about the beards, Gary. He'll make us all shave, too.

  Never underestimate the ability of those in power to get what they want.
  The man wants more gun control, an even greater War on Rights (read War
  on Drugs) and he hides behind the "it's too complex to explain" excuse.

  The guy isn't going to get my vote.
--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: Rarely 
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:59:33 GMT


> Rainer Malzbender

> I'm actually quite comfortable with an *extremely* rich person running for
> office - we can be pretty sure that he's not in it for more money! 

  Do you know EDS's business was? Bookkeeping of Medicare and Medicaid data.
  Perot has made his billions from feeding at the public trough. He sounds
  like Orren Boyle from "Atlas Shrugged."

  He isn't in the race for more money, he's in the race for more power. 

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Desperate times (was: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy")
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.231445.11792@ncar.ucar.edu> pack@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Daniel Packman) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.201303.13399@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>>Service sector jobs need not be considered menial, and if you think that
>>working on an assembly line (i.e. manufacturing job) is not menial, you're
>>crazy.
>>
>>The switch away from a manuafcturing economy is not a bad thing. This switch
>>started in the late 50's, and the standard of living for Americans has gone 
>>well up since then, both in terms of material wealth and opportunities for
>>personal advancement and freedom of lifestyle. I suggest you read Toffler's
>>"The Third Wave" for a discussion in depth on this transition, which has 
>>affected every facet of life (some positivly, some negitively).
>>
>
>Perhaps "menial" is not the correct term.  The service sector jobs
>I am thinking of typically require few prerequisites and command a low
>hourly rate.  The manufacturing jobs I am thinking of typically require
>a few more prerequisites, but command a much better wage.  I am concerned
>that there will be increased polarization in the work force between the
>lower-paying jobs requiring little education and the higher-paying jobs
>requiring extensive education.
>
>
>--
>Dan Packman     NCAR                             INTERNET: pack@ncar.UCAR.EDU
>(303) 497-1427  P.O. Box 3000
>                Boulder, CO  80307-3000      DECNET  SPAN: 9583::PACK

Yes, but could that be because those manufacturing jobs had artificially
high wages (due to unions)? And that this has not happened in the service
sector? Indeed, it could be argued that this is one of the main reasons
for the migration of these jobs to other countries.
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From: tparker@ncar.ucar.edu ()
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: tparker@ncar.ucar.edu ()
Organization: Nat'l Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:41:05 GMT


Gary,

Why do you "believe Perot is not worthy of being President"?

-- Tom
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| tparker@ncar.ucar.edu  |  (303) 497-1227                           |
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From: speer@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Rick Speer)
Subject: Info on Perot's background and beliefs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:38:47 GMT

There's a long article on Perot's history and opinions
in yesterday's (4/13) NY Times. Starts on page one.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: wilde@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Nick Wilde)
Subject: Re: U S WEST voice mail
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:43:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.072730.8749@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> tarrall@horton.Colorado.EDU (The Admiral, actually) writes:

>than the old answering machines, and I too was going through an answering
>machine every year (or less).

With all due respect, what the heck do you folks do to your poor answering
machines ? My wife and I are still using the one we bought back in 1988..

-Nick


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From: bear@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Desperate times (was: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy")
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.142926.5672@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>Yes, but could that be because those manufacturing jobs had artificially
>high wages (due to unions)? 

If you value a middle class, their wages were not exorbitant.  The
rich got rich a little slower while the middle class was formed and
strengthened.

If you don't value a middle class, look at cities which have lost
their middle classes.  The rich have large estates with private 
security forces -- the drive-by shootings and other acts of random
violence don't affect them.  It's the former middle class that has 
to worry about being shot in their own home.

And this is no longer occurs in just New York and LA.  Even mid-size
cities such as Orlando have _major_ problems.  (Orlando's "working poor"
is disproportionately large due to the low wages of the tourist
industry).


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: speer@partial.cs.colorado.edu (Rick Speer)
Subject: (Re:)^2  Gary Strand's net-posting (pre-)occupation
Followup-To: /dev/null
Summary: Gary's at it again
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:13:34 GMT

Gary writes us once more-


>  From boulder!csn!ncar!isis!gary Wed Apr 15 23:00:00 MDT 1992
>  Article: 1356 of co.general
>  Newsgroups: co.general
>  From: gary@isis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Strand)
>  Subject: Re: Gary Strand's net-posting (pre-)occupation
>  Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
>
>  > Rick Speer
>
>  > Where does Gary NRA Strand get the time for all his postings about Perot?
>  
>    The same place as Rick Speer does.


My, my, where does he find the time?!
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From: wurtz@neocad.com (Tom Wurtz)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:18:06 GMT

fast@spot.Colorado.EDU (FAST BRUCE ALAN) writes:

>Somehow those things don't really sound very scary.  If he actually tried to
>translate some of these restrictions on _employees_ (as an employer) to
>restrictions on _citizens_ (as president), he'd be laughed off, slapped down,
>or ignored.  If he could do more to discourage smoking than current trends are,
>I'd be surprised;  if he could convince his staff to stop "living in sin" any
>more than Carter did (remember?) I'd be even more surprised.  Mandatory urinalysis
>on whom, his aides??  These things sound trivial compared to the big problems;
>government bloat, the economy, education, you name it.  Maybe the president
>of a 250-million-person corporation would have a refreshingly realistic assess-
>ment of the sad old "War on Drugs", education and trade policies -- and if not,
>will he be more of a failure than our current administration?

>Bruce Fast
>fast@spot.colorado.edu

Actually, to me, your reaction sounds quite scary, or have you forgotten
that this nation has a Bill of Rights and the supreme court has been
finding ways of circumventing it for the past decade? It doesn't take
long for a democracy to steer itself into fascism under the guise
of some nobel cause. Keep your vigilance, Bruce, and make sure he's
thwarted if he tries any (un)funny business. The groundwork for instituting
national morality has already been laid.

To me Perot is nothing more than another question mark that too many
people have placed an inordinate amount of faith in for deliverance.
I believe that by the time November comes around many of the people
we see defending him here will have learned all they need to know about
him to decide not to vote for him, and if not it'll be a matter of time
before they're referring to him with the same tone of voice used to
denigrate our current and recent past executives. Believe me, I hope I'm
wrong, this country really does need some idealism backed up with action
(as opposed to Reaganism, which was idealism backed up with corruption).

It's refreshing to see some good political discussion on the local
groups keep it up Gary, Dave, Barbara, Bruce, et al.

(ob co.general content)
Just out of curiosity, how many here are registered Dems/Reps and
went to the caucuses last night? Personally, at my caucus, despite the
low turnout, we had quite some disagreement about the senate
candidates and alot of discussion about the platform (I'm Dem).
Any comments? I felt that the absence of any sort of plank involving
privacy as it pertains to technology was a glaring omission.

tom
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Date: 11 Apr 92 09:24:04 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

My big concern is that the election might result in a situation where no one
has a plurality of electoral votes, in which case the House of Representatives
decides.  This has happened twice before, once in 1800 with the election of
Thomas Jefferson, and once in 1824 with the election of John Quincy Adams.

We could also have the unpleasant situation where a candidate actually wins
more electoral votes than popular votes, as happened in the 1888 election
when Benjamin Harrison edged Grover Cleveland.

Both these scenarios would probably be pretty demoralizing for the country,
as the people would feel that the decision had been taken out of their hands. 
(And they'd be right)

I'd say at least a third of the people I've talked to over the past few 
weeks say they'll vote for Perot.  I'm leaning that way myself.

Also, someone mentioned that he had violated the constitution.  How so?
Breaking your people out of Iran seems like a violation of a state department
rule, but certainly not the constitution.






-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                                          ]
  [                                If not you, who?  If not now, when?    ]
  [   rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com                                             ]
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: Rarely 
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:19:14 GMT


>  Barbara Dyker
>> Gary Strand

>> I take a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be 
>> politicians.  They have something up their sleeve far too many times to be 
>> trustworthy.

> More misinformation.  Who said Perot wants to be president?  Not him.  He's
> made it very clear he's not interested.  One could certainly theorize
> that's just a game - part of his richy trickery, but there is zilch to
> support that idea.

  Come on! He's playing the ultimate tease game (which, BTW, Tsongas played a
  little bit when he "waffled" on re-entering the race.) Given Perot's record
  as head of EDS, he's a person who likes to control the lives of others, and
  the pinnacle of that is the US Presidency. He's using this "only if the
  people want me" as a rationalization, pure and simple. I'm sorry, but even
  if 10 million people want him to be Prez, that leaves more than 200 million
  others who disagree.

>> What if, by some fluke, he wins? I guess we "losers" just gotta grin-n-bear
>> it, eh?

> Why not?  This "loser" has suffered through the last 12 years of previous 
> presidents at least as bad in their own way.

  Hell, this "loser" has suffered 27+ years. I'd like to avoid losing, thank
  you very much.

>> The guy isn't going to get my vote.

> Cheap shots time... Thanks for your vote against Perot, Gary. That's a point
> in his favor in my book.

  I'm not voting for Bush either. Does that make Herbie more attractive?

>> Put it this way -- he couldn't pay me enough to work for him...

> What makes you think he'd want to hire you?

  True, he wouldn't. I'm not too interested in working for a company that
  tries to run my private life. Unfortunately, short of leaving the US (and
  to where?) one can't "quit" a President Perot.

> I too would be interested in hearing less biased views on this campaign
> year than those of Gary NRA Strand.  

  A bit Bushian here, aren't we? "Card carrying member of the ACLU" and all
  that horsepuckey? Sorry for using my freedom of association with people
  you Don't Like.

> Facts, rather than hearsay and propogation of misinformation, would be great
> too.

  Well, as head of EDS, he disallowed beards, had mandatory urinalysis, for-
  bade employees from smoking *at home*, and harassed persons "living in sin."

  Those reasons alone (not including his stands on gun control and the War
  on Drugs) are enough for me to look elsewhere. 

  Lastly, is this country in such lousy shape that we have to go with some-
  one like Perot? Are we really that desparate?



--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: kik@lookout.uswest.com (Kathy Knecht)
Subject:  Lift Ticket/Breckenridge/$15
Organization: US WEST Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:44:48 GMT

I have a lift ticket to Breckenridge for sale cheap ($15).  Call me
at (303)595-2940, or reply by e-mail.

Kathy.

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From: murf@spike.comet.ucar.edu (John Murphy)
Subject: those pesky cable boxes
Organization: COMET/Univ. Corporation for Atmospheric Research, Boulder  CO
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:52:33 GMT

Before I get started.....No I'm not trying to rip off the cable company
I have all the channels I need....This is just one of those "how do they
do that anyway?" questions.   As far as I can tell this doesn't apply to 
Boulder's TCI cable but definitely does to Lousiville and UA and others
in Denver.

So you have this little box that sits on top of the TV.  You decide that 
you want to order a pay-per-view show or get showtime or the like.  You
Call the cable company and voila it is descrampled on your set.  No on
came and changed anything on your end...how does that work???  Obviously
that little box must recieve some sort of signal over the cable to tell
it to start descrambling another channel...So how does that work...details,
specific details here....be very technical...this seems like an amazing
feat for those technoidiots in the cable company.  Enlighten me...


--
John Murphy			murf@comet.ucar.edu
UCAR/COMET			(303) 497-8494
PO Box 3000
Boulder CO 80307-3000
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