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From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where did Ciaran Go? (was: the Party)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:25:12 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Jul23.040942.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> In article <memo.534656@cix.compulink.co.uk>, cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
>> 
>> Ellen Writes:
>>>We need more floor shows...
>>>Ellen
>> <blush>
>> And there was me thinking of ways to put "in-jokes" on the net without
>> blowing the gaffe, but I guess you beat me to it! I'd love to tell some of
>> the netters just *why* we'd never be able to go back the the Meriden hotel...
>> ever, and how I used a cellular phone to get us out of our... "predicament".
>> (I love this... how to wind-up 28,996 users, especially Brendan!) <Snigger>
> 
> Waah!!!! Puleeessse tell me? I promise I'll be good... <pout>
> 
> 		-Brendan

 You *do* realise exactly what that adjective's done to your chances, don't
you ?  :)

-- Porsupah
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:11:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.002918.2470@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>
>Of course, it could be claimed that getting rid of the 'phobes and
>bigots and achieving equal rights and protection would be worth the
>risk.

My hope that a rational alliance could be formed in based on the premise that
society can mature, and that if any segment of society is more mature than
any other it might very well be queers.  This is merely a by-product of
examining the assumptions and dynamics of society more careful than the
average person is apt to do.  Most people assume they know how society works
and that it is working more or less correctly -- whereas a lot of us (myself
included) feel that society is broken and we should be looking into things
much more deeply than we collectively do.  Most others have an immature
view of society because it has been exercised, and maybe it isn't that ours
is so keen, but that it isn't as atrophied as everyone else's.

If our vision has been honed peering into the faults of the society that we
exist in, then perhaps we can spare some time now and again to turn that
eye inwards.  Although the first fight is more important, it would be nice
to imagine we can spare the time to ensure that we emerge from it intact.
We do not want to tear apart ourselves as we tear down an enemy.

I see the lessons of history are there, and hopefully we can overcome them.

>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com


Brad
From: pw04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL E. WINTERS)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Well, here goes...
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:32:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Kevin Colagio writes;
>There are at least 2 other bi's on the Lehigh campus (they have both
>posted) but I don't have their e-mail addresses (I hate it when I change
>rooms!)...they should be getting ahold of you (maybe) shortly...<grin>
If my post is one of the two to which you refer, then I have already made Mr.
Morgan-Russell's aquaintance, and a wonderful aquaintance it is.  I missed the
welcome wagon when it went by, but judging by the description I read it must
have been an awesomesight, and so geographically specific!  The need for
community,however, *is* deeply felt here in the Lehigh valley, at least by me,
which isone of the reasons I am so happy to have found this discussion group.
One question:  I am, as I have said here before, practically computer
illiterate, but I'd like to know how you get that snazzy signature at the end
of your posts.  Do you have to do it over every time you post, or do you have
it stored somewhere and available?      Peace,   Paul.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb)
Subject: Re: Hi all! :)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222510.406@microsoft.com> fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.224935.23563@umbc3.umbc.edu> gottlieb@BugsBunny.acslab.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb) writes:
>| 
>| Well no I'm not coming out as I'm heterosexual,
>
>Well, I used to say this.
>
>As far as imagery/fantasy/etc goes, I have moved from het to het-leaning
>bi, over the last few years.  It has been an interesting change.

	Ah, that's a good way of putting it.  
>
>Back a decade or so ago, when I was removing garbage from my upbringing
>with the help of LSD, I left orientation alone.  All things considered,
>on a medical front, considering how sexually active I was and with what
>enthusiasm I tend to throw myself into new hobbies, I am probably much
>better off (sadly to say) with having left that alone for awhile.
>
>Anyways, I do not know if or when this shift will be physically realized
>(just I do not know if or when I will get into a polyamorous situation),
>but I want to thank everyone for forming a wonderful newsgroup, and give
>a large e-hug.

	Good luck with when/if this happens! :)

>
>*HUG*
>
>   Fritz
>


	**Hugs to all** :)

	Robert

-- 
Robert Gottlieb
gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu
"Not gonna do it.. wouldn't be prudent..."
Not umbc's opinion.
From: julie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Marraige and Segregation
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:11:33 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

> ...The one I took most personally was
> Ellen Clary's (please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm attributing
> from memory) 'maybe we'd take bisexuals more seriously if they didn't
> do things like get married'.  I'm not sorry that I can't make myself
> more palatable.  You either accept who I am or reject me, but I'm not
> changing to make myself more acceptable...
>
> Brad

Brad-- this isn't a matter of "palatability."  Marraige, to me, is
appalling because it privelidges a certain type of relationship in a
manner which is both homophobic and sexist.  It supports a value
system which supports an ideal in which _I_ can not exist.  I.e., the
legitimization of families through special treatment only for
_heterosexual_ models of a family is designed, in part, to do us in. 
And I say that when we, as bisexuals, choose to marry, we are engaging
in a form of apartheid which is truly insidious and self-destructive
and I can't make an exception for you because it might hurt your
feelings.  It's not a matter of your relationship with a woman and it
is not a matter of your "chaning."  It's a matter of how you seek
validation for who you are and where you go to seek it.   By getting
married, you sure as hell won't get it from me.

--Julie
                                                                                
--------------------------------------------------------------------            
 "Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is             
the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a               
simple matter to drag the people along...  All you have to do is tell           
them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of            
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."                                 
                                                                                
                          -- Hermann Goering, 1936                              
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Orgy on a cross (Was: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:04:33 GMT

Ciaran writes:
>Brad writes:
>>Damn, and I was hoping for heretic visionary status at least.  Now it looks
>>like the cross I was to be martyred on is already occupied.
>
>Ah, come up and join us on the cross, anyway. If we get a few more then
>we can start an orgy.

I was asked in email how one goes about having an orgy on a cross.
Here's the answer.

The nails have got to go though since they are a bit cliched. Instead,
use white silk scarves to tie people's arms to the cross. An ice-pick
for securing the feet is optional. You can only fix one person
(preferably a manly hot stud) onto the cross this way, but you can then
have a few hot bi chicks sitting on the cross beam---at least one on
each side. They should have various ice-cold substances to smear on the
hot stud's torse. (Special attention should be paid to the nipples and
navel.) Then you need a friendly pet labrador to jump up and down,
licking the stud all over. Finally, you need an Ellen or Clive to take
photos.

Of course, like all crucifications, the orgy should take place on Mount
Kay.

It really is a once in a lifetime experience. For the manly hot stud,
anyway.


<> i wannaorgy! i wannaorgy!
<> --- Peggy Boucher Murphy (pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu)

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:46:31 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <24184@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>*Why* do you think I'm going to Escondido??  Why do people seem to think
>I don't know what I'm doing?  Yes, I have friends in Escondido.  (Hi Chris)

	Perhaps aonference or seminanar came to mind when I last wrote.  You
seem angry, but I was lightheartedly being facetious.

	And yes, you may encounter a *great* many cars in California :(

Djelrik
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.034240.1663@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) describes a scene out of hell:
|-- I was just on my way out to the Friday beer bash.  Let's see:
|Budweiser, Foster's, or a loaded pistol?  It's _so_ hard to choose.

   Erm.  It's not all that bad, really; it's possible, if you look
hard, to find lambics (Framboise in particular!) and other more-
conventional good beers around Honolulu. Consume one or two of them
before descending into the abyss and the unmentionable evil beers
won't be quite so daunting.

                  __
    david parsons \/  "Who wanted to move to Hawaii, but couldn't find
                       work or good beer. (But I *did* find the railway!)"
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9690 soc.motss:32835
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:17:09 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) wrote: 
->Why didn't you just say "WHINE!" and save a whole bunch of lines? 

oh, bless you, ry!

i can't believe this whole discussion has been cross-posted to
soc.motss ... 

->baby, if us queers don't accept you Het marriage priviledge and all,
->you'll just go off and call yourself Bisexual!  Oh gosh, I'm so hurt!

you forgot the "neener, neener!!"

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Invisibility
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <17119@autodesk.COM> grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth) writes:
>Grant, who has decided to resume posting to soc.bi. :-)

Now I wonder *why*...??? :-)))))))

Have a transitive *HuG* from across the water...

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: michael@tfs.com (Yikes!)
Subject: Re: Coming Out
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:36:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.192709.77946@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pw04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL E. WINTERS) writes:
>I tried this yesterday, but it didn't seem to work, so I'm trying again.
>Hello everybody on this group.  I am a 33 year old, gay-identified bisexual
>man.  
Hello to you!!! <hugs><nibble><kiss> etc!


I just came out last October, and I have been reading this group in
>order to learn more about my new identity for quite a while.  I am just ending
>a 7 year heterosexual relationship (I hope without much acrimony).  I wear a
>pink triangle pin on campus, but I felt the need of a more public sort of
>coming out, and I hope that this group will indulge me.  This choice hasn't
>been easy, especially given what I have had to give up, but, all in all, I am
>not sorry that I have done it, and I am happier with my new identity than I
>ever thought I could be.

Great!!!!

>Thank you for indulging me.   
Paul, no need for thanking us. We _live_ for indulging people like you
(and me, and us)



<hugs>,
Michael
-- 
Michael Shiloh			michael@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems		(510) 704-3520
Berkeley, Ca

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: bi(ish) book recommendation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:03:53 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl wrote...
>:tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
>:>Can anyone come up with a cunning plan to overcome the dollars-pounds 
>:>conversion problem? 
>
>pay by Visa or Amex.  Then make damn sure they charge at the
>proper bulk rate.  
Yes I do this quite often.  Works great.  Works so well that
I used the cards more than I used the traveler's checks.
In fact I actually came back with most of my traveler's checks 
uncashed.

I should be more clear.  Person A buys something for person B
who lives in a different country.  Person B would like to pay
person A back without causing headaches for either of them.
So far barter systems work fine, but it would be nice to have
an alternative.

>PS Ellen, this is *not* a good time for you to buy stuff in pounds.
>(It *is* a good time for Tanaqui (and me :-) ) to buy stuff in dollars --
>$240 for a 14.4K modem!  yeah!  (400 pounds over here is the cheapest...))

I know this all too well. <smirk>

Ellen
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: bi(ish) book recommendation
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:56:47 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

 I don't remember this being in the list of bi books someone posted;
anyway, if it was, apologies in advance.
 _The Rose Of The Prophet_ trilogy, by Margaret Weis and Tracy
Hickman (yes, those two)

 This has three main characters through the series; a man and woman
of opposing desert tribes, who it's obvious are going to get together
from almost the first page, and Mathew, a priest from the European
area of the world, who is forced into the plot by events.

 The first two books go on pretty much routinely; these aren't 'great
works', but H&W do write fun books, if nothing else. By the third
book, though, Mathew has fallen in love with both the other
characters; and this actually forms a significant part of the plot.
The thing that impressed me was that they handle him revealing his
feelings to the man so well; it's really nicely done.


 -- Fenthe (book critic? nah..)
 

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:01:28 GMT

In article <24073@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
[about a talk]
>If anything the opposite ... ah well ... it's revising it that I'm not
>looking forward to.  Still, it'll be done in a couple of weeks (waahhh,
>panic panic panic panic gleep weeble gibber gibber gibber)

Please don't despair! Just put on your most deafening clothes, and if
someone complains about your talk just blame it on the fact that they
were distracted and didn't really hear all the ingenious things you
were saying! And if that won't help, maybe some swamp gas may come in
handy ;-)

>Sara
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:30:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <24156@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
+ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
+
+>I'll be in San Francisco August 6 through 10.
+
+Oh dear, that might be a bit early; I get to Escondido the 7th and I
+dont' know how long it'll take me to actually make it to SF.

Escondido? An odd place to begin a California West Coast tour. But
then since Frank Zappa spent some of his formative youth in El
Cajon (a little south but on a same par), Escondido could be OK.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Gay/Les Space -
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:18:35 GMT

[Clive's text reformatted to what it would have been before some line-
 wrapper got to it]

In article <memo.531320@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>I think one of the reasons why I took so long to admitting being Bisexual 
>was the fact that the Gay scene where I used to live, was *very* 
>Bi-negative, they considered Bisexuals as "people who haven't made their 
>minds up as to what they want to be... yet" It was good to see some of us 
>at the party have reclaimed that particular viewpoint, disarming it by 
>turning it into a joke -- my mind goes back to Yourself, Myself, Ciaran 
[Ellen's text deleted; Yourself refers to her]
>and Olaf taking twenty minutes to decide what to eat at that Indian 
>restaurant; putting the time spent on ordering the dishes down to "being 
>just a bunch of bisexuals who can't decide what they want"... it was the 
>first time I had heard that joke out loud. It was very funny... and
>true.

Absolutely. And Ciaran repeating "I'm easy" didn't really make it
easier to decide! ;-) Though one could, more dryly, ascribe that
indecisiveness to just being some random bunch of people who never met
before and only have very little in common. 

>When I discovered I wasn't Gay, but Bi, I realised I *didn't* have to 
>mince around in leather, I didn't have to lisp weakly or wear chequered 
>shirts and grow a handlebar moustache or have a shaved head or WHATEVER 
>stereotye scene-setters were trying to sell me, 

Yech! Tell anyone who wants you to maltreat your hair to get lost. It
is quite fine as it is. In fact, it is quite a relief to me that
(apparently - I don't want to create a new stereotype here) bi people
have less stereotypical characteristics than gay(scene) people. For
instance, if I go into a gay bar here (and I noticed the same in that
Laughing [or whatever] Duck place) I see all these people who I, had I
met them on a street, immediately would classify as `stereotypical
gay'. Which they probably are, given the bar I see them in...
As a contrast, the first few people I met for the party had no such
sterotypical appearance, except maybe that they all had longer-than-
average hair.

>Clive
-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: When are all the parties then?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:04:19 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Jul20.095905.3137@otago.ac.nz> witbrock@otago.ac.nz writes:
>So, when are the next parties scheduled?
>I didn't manage to finish in time to get to that one.
>
>Ann, arriving soonish.

Aha!  And I'd just mailed you to ask where you'd disappeared to!

So is 'soonish' by any chance by-first-of-august-soonish?  (Not exactly
a party but I'm sure we could squeeze another one into the punt...)

G
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9874 soc.motss:33091
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: When you Meet a Lesbian: Hints for Heterosexual Women
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:46:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92211.235750IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
+good list, especially #13.  i realy dislike being flirted with by
+wimmin who are at the same time bending over backwards to tell
+me they are straight...

The visuals are impressive, film at 11...
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 14:32:00 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'

from what i know of chauvenistic straight men (too much)
the reason bi wimmin are so interesting is the possibility
of a threeesome.  doesn't every "hot-blooded stud" want
to haev two women at once?

*sigh*
                                 -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: all you fags out there!!!!
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:04:51 GMT

In article <36058@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.225754.4694@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
>+
>+In a previous article, harrist@seq.uncwil.edu (Trey Harris) says:
>+>Which one of you big handsome men wants to go out on a flaming gay
>+>date with me and my sheep "Pee Wee" ? Pee Wee is very talented...
>+
>+Is this a de-muffining?
>
>Sometimes the oven gets left on to long, and the result is a burnt
>muffin, or just plain burnt residue.
>-- 
>John Clark

Well...  I guess it doesn't matter, since you would "eat" everybody/anybody 
anyway, Right????   c(-8

*just kidding*

Big Hug and Grin, and everything else...

Ken   elee74l@jetson.uh.edu

Xref: sparky soc.bi:9444 alt.sex:24915 alt.sex.motss:1038
From: todd.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: search for sexy/not-trashy fiction
Keywords: SEX in a _Public Library_!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:49:08 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

kts@philabs.philips.com (Kimberley T. Smith) writes:

> i'm looking for fiction with sex and love or maybe just sex.  
> 
> preferably, it would not place any female characters in inane or
> subordinate roles.  Lots of plot and relationship development would be
> great too!  heterosexual and homosexual sex is wonderful.
> 
> any suggestions??

Yes, try alt.sex.stories! In-between long, boring discussions of the 
relative merits (and/or lack thereof) some good stuff gets posted from 
time to time. In particular, you might want to look over the Index, and 
see what tickles your fancy, then request it.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi in body or in mind (was Re: Bis and marriage)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:26:39 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>So Iseult, what shall we plan to entertain Sara?  <the mind reels>

Mmmm - with teasers like that, my mind's certainly reeling ...

Sara, quite dizzy with anticipation
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp