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From: tabo@hitech.com (Tony Abo)
Subject: Primos/Information Sectors
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:07:19 GMT


You write:

   We have some people in house who are writing a database manager using
   Information as the underlying file manager.  They would like to have
   a facility for splitting large logical records into multiple physical
   records when a given record size is reached.  They also wish to store
   the access trees (indices?) for the various databases on disk in the
   most efficient way they can.  For these reasons, they wished to know 
   the size of the largest record they should generate to a dynamic file.

   Any ideas?

   PS:  At this point, I am only peripherally attached to this project
	and could not hope to justify the logic of their design and 
	implementation.  Of course, if you hav




It sounds to me like you're trying to solve the same problems which
the PI file system has inherently solved already (i.e. efficient
storage of variable size records, and alternate key indices).  Without
knowing exactly what functionality you require from the database, my
gut feeling is that you should store PI records as/is, using either
meaningful record keys, or sequential numbers for keys.  Leave all the
hard stuff to PI.  It does a pretty good job with it.  You'll find it
very hard to predict what it is doing on the physical level anyway.

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Tony Abo
Hitech Systems, Inc.
1964 Westwood Blvd. # 435
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Internet: tabo@hitech.com
Voice:    (310) 475 3210
Fax:      (310) 474 0655

This is may clever little saying at the end of my mail messages
because everyone else seems to have one.
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From: TOBEY%BARRYU.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (News from Gary@Barry)
Subject: Re: Primos/Information Sector Size
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:08:36 GMT

   The problem you state was much more prevalent before the advent of
dynamic files under Prime Information.  With classicly hashed files
used previously, PI records were grouped and if the logical records
group exceeded 2k (a sector), if the logical record you were looking
for was not in the first 2k sector additional disk reads were necessary
until the logical record you wanted was found.
   Therefore it was best to keep each GROUP under 2k in order to
minimize seek time.  With dynamic files this management is hidden to
the user.  By the way, all this is predicated on the fact that Primos
moves data around in 2k pieces.

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From: TOWN.CRIER@md-b.prime.com
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:25:29 GMT

PRM - FEDERAL FILINGS (FF)

10/13 Shearson Says Clients Hold 610,800 CompVision Shs

FORM TYPE: 13D Amend #2
ISSUER: COMPUTERVISION CORP.
SYMBOL: CVN
FILER: SHEARSON LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLDINGS INC.
CLASS: COMMON
SHARES OWNED: 11,151,272      23.2%
NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION:
         Shearson Lehman reported that it holds voting and investment
discretion over 610,800 shares which it purchased with customer funds from
8/14/92 to 9/30/92.  None of those shares were included in Shearson's
ownership in its last amended filing on 9/1/92, when it reported ownership of
10,540,472 shares (22%).
10/13/92 14:23
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From: TOWN.CRIER@md-b.prime.com
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:11:23 GMT

 National Prime User Group Announces Site for NPUG'93 Conference

Laurel, MD - The National Prime User Group Inc. has announced
that it has selected the Hyatt Regency at the State Capital in
Indianapolis, Indiana as its site for its annual conference
scheduled for June 6-9, 1993.

The NPUG Site Review and Selection Committee sent out its
Request for Proposal (RFP) for NPUG93 sites on July 6, 1992 and
received well over thirty responses by its deadline of September
4, 1992. From these responses, the list was initially narrowed
down to sixteen properties that were reviewed at the NPUG Board
meeting in September. The Board, after reviewing the proposals,
decided on eight properties to be inspected. This included one in
North Carolina, four in Florida, and three in Indianapolis.

"It was our primary objective this year to find a property that
had two very important attributes. One being a room night cost of
less than $100, and two, a property that has a quality product to
offer. Both of these attributes became very clear after reviewing
the NPUG92 Conference Critiques. We have negotiated a room rate
of $83 per night for conference attendees", said Roland
Kittredge, Chairman of the NPUG Site Review and Selection
Committee. "I believe that we have found an excellent mix from
both a cost standpoint and quality standpoint in the Indianapolis
Hyatt Regency." Kittredge continued.

The Indianapolis Hyatt Regency is located just 8 miles from the
airport, has underground parking for 350 vehicles, contains 496
rooms with the largest hospitality suite in the city. It has the
largest health and fitness facility attached to a hotel in
downtown Indianapolis. Also attached to this hotel is a mini-mall
containing two airline offices, and six restaurants. This hotel
is in mid-town Indianapolis directly across the street from the
state capitol and within easy walking distance of many
attractions and restaurants.

The NPUG Site Review and Selection Committee consisted of Roland
Kittredge - Chairman, with Robin Drury, Rob Pearce, and Honor
Guiney as committee members.

Further information will be coming out in NPUG News as well as
this Bulletin Board. Stay tuned, film at 11.
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From: hunger@hitech.com (Henry Unger)
Subject: Primos/Information Sector Size
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:01:51 GMT

The Prime disk format is 2048 bytes of usable space.  The actual sector
size is 2080 bytes (32 bytes of parent/forward/backward pointers).
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From: Eric@CCCC.CC.Colorado.Edu (Eric Ross)
Subject: re: Anonymous FTP on TURBO.Kean.EDU
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Colorado College, Colorado Springs Colorado
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:14:27 GMT

Toni van de Wiel writes:
--- some stuff deleted ---
>With the Primos TCP/IP product you have to worry about two
>different ACLs, one for the user, and an extra one for the .TCP_FTP$
>group. Talking about bypassing OS-security features...
>
>Oh, Phil.K, the Primos energizing bunny, are you listening?
>When can we expect TCP/IP 3.0?
>
>cheerz!
>++Toni;

Actually, Toni, I really like this approach.  It seems to me to use OS
features to an advantage.

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From: ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za (Mark Stobbs)
Subject: re: ED
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:55:39 GMT

> 
> I am interested too in a Sheffield Editor for Unix (SCO). I do support your
> statement about SHED en vi.
> 
> Y. S.
> 
> RTS
> 
Hi all

I got a reply from David Mason of sheffield University - their editor has not 
been ported to Unix. They need a decent Pascal editor to do the job.

What I need is an editor that will enable us to work easily on columns of data
within a file.

My earlier posting regards connecting a Data Products printer to a serial port
via a Black Box converter has been resolved. THE DOCUMENTATION THAT CAME WITH
THE black box EQUIPMENT WAS WRONG!!!!!


Many thanks to all that replied to my posts.

Regards

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From: tabo@hitech.com (Tony Abo)
Subject: DIG command
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:07:47 GMT


Prime TCP/IP comes with a useful debugging tool called DIG (found at
TCP/IP*>RUN>DIG.RUN).

I am having some DNS problems on my MIPS.  Is there a UNIX version of
DIG, or any equivalent tool?

Thanks in advance for your help.

------------------------------------------------------------

Tony Abo
Hitech Systems, Inc.
1964 Westwood Blvd. # 435
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Internet: tabo@hitech.com
Voice:    (310) 475 3210
Fax:      (310) 474 0655

This is may clever little saying at the end of my mail messages
because everyone else seems to have one.
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From: Al@TURBO.Kean.EDU (Al Costanzo)
Subject: Anonymous FTP on TURBO.Kean.EDU
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Kean College of New Jersey
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:09:49 GMT

Hello Everyone,

There seems to be a problem with anonymous FTP at our site.  I believe the
problem lies within the method Xelink uses to login the process.

The method used bypasses certain security features in the OS.

Until the problem is resolved the user id "anonymous" will not function
(has been removed)

-al
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From: sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston)
Subject: Re: changes on the 800-line?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:43 GMT

Steen Hansen writes:
> 
> Has PrimeService changed it's procudure for handling calls on the
> 800-number? I just called in a problem and expected to dictate a message
> to an operator, and the operator seemed a little ticked saying something
> like she wasn't good enough to help?
> 
> Are they putting technical people to answer the phones now?
> 
> Steen
>
Well, Sorry but I received a nice letter yesterday outlining the
"new" procedures for handling 800 customer calls.  I have already
trashed it and can't quote from it.  Basically, they now will be
passing your call over to a local technical rep who will assist you
in initial problem resolution.  This person will then decide who
should be contacted to continue problem resolution should it be
necessary.   The thought process is that PrimeService will be
able to start the problem resolution process much sooner than
before.  IMO, I thought the concept was sound.  I just hope that
it doesn't frustrate the seasoned customer who is used to a long
standing procedure and really doesn't care to describe their problems
over and over and over.

Stay tuned, your letter is probably "in the mail".

(perhaps someone will post the letter for this group, it wasn't too long)



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From: david@iris.mincom.oz.au (David Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Counting calls to BREAK$
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: david@iris.mincom.oz.au ()
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia

In article <9210080045.AA29190@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>Can anyone tell me of a way to get the number of times the
>BREAK$ subroutine has been called by a user?

 break$ actually has two arguments, a key and a count
 the second arg is not used for the "usual" call

 key     meaning
 0       effectively, increment break count
 1       effectively, decrement break count
 2       get break count in calling ring [usually ring 3]
 4       set break count in calling ring

 There are some other esoteric key values - I don't remember these.

 Also, this is not quite what you asked for, but I guess probably 
 what you wanted.


>In Rev. 23.3.0 the TERM command shows it as the "inhibit counter",
>if break has been turned off.  I would like to be able to have this
>value returned to a program.  It mentions the master list of the QUIT
>status for each user maintained by BREAK$ in the 23.0 subroutines
>reference, but mentions nothing about how to access it.
>
>                   Thanks,
>                   Mark Weiland
>                   SUNY College at Brockport
>                   <mark@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu>

ps.
I sorry if this went out twice, but I seem to have "lost" 
the original if it did.

djc
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From: kjelld@lmv.lm.se (Kjell Degerstedt)
Subject: ISAM files under Primos
Organization: National Land Survey of Sweden, S-801 82 Gavle, Sweden. (LMV).
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:55:10 GMT

Hello Prime collegues !

I have been working with Prime since 1975. We were in fact the
first to buy a Prime (300) in Sweden. We have rather happy
except for the latest years. We are now, like many others,
trying to save ourselves by moving to Unix.

But in the latest years we have come up with a enoying problem
which unfortunately has to be solved under Primos for the time
being.


We are trying to build a very large database under Primos. 
For reasons that I cannot explain here, we are using ISAM-files,
that is MIDAS+ files. Now some of these files have become so large 
that they don't fit into one directory.

My question is therfore:

Is there a possibility in Primos to have a (MIDAS) file that is
bigger than one logical disk ? Or is there any other ISAM-system
under Primos that can handle this situation ? What about FAST+?

If you look inside i MIDAS file you will see that it's nicely
divide in small pieces, so in priciple it could be distributed over several
discs.

This has become a very hard problem for us, so I would like to
have some good advice from some mercyful person. Every tip
will be welcome.


- - - - - - - - - - - - BEST REGARDS,  KJELL - -  - - - - - - - - - - - -
I Kjell Degerstedt                I  Internet E-mail: kjelld@lmv.lm.se    I
I Computer Department             I     Phone office: +46 26 15 35 08     I
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I S-801 82 Gavle                  I              Fax: +46 26 65 35 69     I
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From: SMAKMAN@F2.NHL.NL (R. Th. Smakman (Rekencentrum NH-Leeuwarden))
Subject: re: ED
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:29:10 GMT

I am interested too in a Sheffield Editor for Unix (SCO). I do support your
statement about SHED en vi.

Y. S.

RTS
From: todd@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (The Toddster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Primos/Information Sectors
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:34:01 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

My original question:

| Can anyone tell me what part of Primos' 2k disk sectors Information is
| allowed to use.  My (admittedly poor) understanding is that Information
| efficiency suffers when a record greater than the size of the usuable
| sector is written.

A reply:
From: TOBEY%BARRYU.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (News from Gary@Barry)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:08:36 GMT

>    The problem you state was much more prevalent before the advent of
> dynamic files under Prime Information.  With classicly hashed files
> used previously, PI records were grouped and if the logical records
> group exceeded 2k (a sector), if the logical record you were looking
> for was not in the first 2k sector additional disk reads were necessary
> until the logical record you wanted was found.
>    Therefore it was best to keep each GROUP under 2k in order to
> minimize seek time.  With dynamic files this management is hidden to
> the user.  By the way, all this is predicated on the fact that Primos
> moves data around in 2k pieces.

Let me state my question a little more cleanly.  

We have some people in house who are writing a database manager using
Information as the underlying file manager.  They would like to have
a facility for splitting large logical records into multiple physical
records when a given record size is reached.  They also wish to store
the access trees (indices?) for the various databases on disk in the
most efficient way they can.  For these reasons, they wished to know 
the size of the largest record they should generate to a dynamic file.

Any ideas?

PS:  At this point, I am only peripherally attached to this project
     and could not hope to justify the logic of their design and 
     implementation.  Of course, if you hav


Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: aew@spitfire.unh.edu (Allan E. Wright Jr.)
Subject: Re: DIG command
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:09:04 GMT

> I am having some DNS problems on my MIPS.  Is there a UNIX version of
> DIG, or any equivalent tool?

   You want to try ping. It is in /etc/ping. There is a man page entry for
it. It has more functionality than dig. 
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From: Al@TURBO.Kean.EDU (Al Costanzo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: interest-groups file
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:45:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.9210150147.AA09265
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Kean College of New Jersey

Hello,

For anyone interested...

The latest version of the Internet file Interest-Groups has been loaded
on Service@TURBO.Kean.EDU ...

To get a copy, send an e-mail message to Service@turbo.kean.edu with a
subject line of: Interest-groups

The message body may be left blank.

-al
From: MARK@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Counting calls to BREAK$
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Can anyone tell me of a way to get the number of times the
BREAK$ subroutine has been called by a user?
In Rev. 23.3.0 the TERM command shows it as the "inhibit counter",
if break has been turned off.  I would like to be able to have this
value returned to a program.  It mentions the master list of the QUIT
status for each user maintained by BREAK$ in the 23.0 subroutines
reference, but mentions nothing about how to access it.

                   Thanks,
                   Mark Weiland
                   SUNY College at Brockport
                   <mark@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: gadget@hsepm1.HSE.NL
Subject: What's tha password Al ????
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:24:40 GMT


   Well i read the announcement of an anonymous site at kean college.
   So i tried it out, see for your self what the result was:


 Surf024-> ftp

ftp> open turbo.kean.edu

220 TURBO.Kean.EDU FTP Server (XElink TCP/IP 2.3) ready.
Connected to turbo.kean.edu. 
Name (turbo.kean.edu:surf024): anonymous

331 Enter password.
Password:  surf024@kub.nl

530 Login attempt failed.
%UCX-E-FTP_LOGREJ, Login request rejected
ftp> user guest

331 Enter password.
Password: guest

530 Login attempt failed.
%UCX-E-FTP_LOGREJ, Login request rejected
ftp> user anonymous

331 Enter password.
Password: anonymous

430 Login attempts exceeded.
%UCX-E-FTP_LOGREJ, Login request rejected
ftp> bye

 So what's up wrong params in your ftpd config or what????

  waiting.........

   Jan Verhoeven    Gadget @ hse.nl

    Eindhoven Institute of Technology.


 PS. The Prime BBS is on the way X.25 number is 18802010802
From: SCOTT@CESCC.BRIDGEWATER.EDU (Scott Alan Moomaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: IP datagrams under XElink TCP/IP
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:26:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.9210161540.AA13731
Reply-To: scott@cescc.bridgewater.edu
Organization: Bridgewater College, C E Shull Computing Center

I want to write a utility that sends ICMP packets, but I need to be
able to send IP datagrams.  According to the XElink TCP/IP Guide, "An IP
datagram connection is defined, but not supported by the Server."  Since this
connection is not available, is there any way that I can send IP datagrams?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Scott

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From: merk!uvmark!mark (Mark Baldridge)
Subject: Re: ED
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:07:31 GMT

The Prime ED has been replicated in our flagship product, uniVerse.
Since our purchase of PI/Open we have another version that will run on UNIX.

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: gml4410@ggr.co.uk (Lack Mr G M)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Upgrade problems,help!
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:19:37 GMT

> I have a problem.  Two weeks ago I upgraded from Tcp/Ip revision
> 2.3.R59 to 2.4.R10 and all Tcp/Ip functions ceased working.
>...
> I can "telnet" and "ftp" to any node that is directly defined in my
> "hosts.txt" configuration file, but when I attempt to "telnet" or
> "ftp" to a node which is not directly defined I receive a "network
> unreachable" message.
> ....
> Has anyone else experienced these or similar problems?  If so, what's
> the fix?

     I have 2.4R13 running on 2 different systems, one of which contains
a specific gateway entry, the other has a  "generic-fallback"  (0.0.0.0)
entry.  Both of these can connect through the gateway Ok. 

     However, they each only have the one GATEWAY entry.  Do you perhaps
have > 1 in your HOSTS.XTT file? 

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