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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:27:27 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject:    Electricity cut off in Kabul


Just heard a brief and depressing news item from home:


      Kabul has been plunged into complete darkness since Saturday
      morning. Gulbudin Hekmatyar's dissident forces have cut off
      electricity to the city's 1.5 million inhabitants. Hekmatyar's
      Hezb-i Islami forces, which have had control of the main
      power dams and electricity generator stations at Naghloo,
      Soroobi and Mahipar since last April, are threatening to extend
      this cutoff until their political demands are met. This act
      comes in the wake of the interim government's major efforts to
      convene a grand assembly (Shura) within three to four weeks'
      time which is empowered to select the next administration. It
      is beleived that Hekmatyar, who initially agreed with the
      idea, is now opposed to it, and is using all means possible to
      disrupt and sabotage the assembly gathering. The present interim
      administration, headed by Jamiat-i Islami leader Burhanudin
      Rabani, is said to be working very hard to pull this Shura together.
      Military planes and helicopters have been used in recent days to
      transport the 2,000 or so Shura representatives to Kabul from
      remote and inaccessible regions.
      The electrical cutoff has been made worse by the fact that Kabul
      just had its first snowfall.
      The power stations are located about 50 miles to the East of Kabul
      on the road to Jalalabad.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:25:55 EST
From: "Shah" Sharif <SH0950A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject:    testing

this is a test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: endevour@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Subject: Re: Electricity cut off in Kabul 
Keywords: Shura 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:58:37 GMT

In article <92328.092727OMARS@auvm.american.edu> <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>  
writes:
> 
> Just heard a brief and depressing news item from home:
> 
> 
>       Kabul has been plunged into complete darkness since Saturday
>       morning. Gulbudin Hekmatyar's dissident forces have cut off
>       electricity to the city's 1.5 million inhabitants. Hekmatyar's
>       Hezb-i Islami forces, which have had control of the main
>       power dams and electricity generator stations at Naghloo,
>       Soroobi and Mahipar since last April, are threatening to extend
>       this cutoff until their political demands are met. This act
>       comes in the wake of the interim government's major efforts to
>       convene a grand assembly (Shura) within three to four weeks'
>       time which is empowered to select the next administration. It
>       is beleived that Hekmatyar, who initially agreed with the
>       idea, is now opposed to it, and is using all means possible to
>       disrupt and sabotage the assembly gathering. The present interim
>       administration, headed by Jamiat-i Islami leader Burhanudin
>       Rabani, is said to be working very hard to pull thisShuratogether.
>       Military planes and helicopters have been used in recent days to
>       transport the 2,000 or so Shura representatives to Kabul from
>       remote and inaccessible regions.
>       The electrical cutoff has been made worse by the fact that Kabul
>       just had its first snowfall.
>       The power stations are located about 50 miles to the East of Kabul
>       on the road to Jalalabad.

Is this Shura the same as Loya Girga ? and if not then how are the 
2000 representatives chosen ? on on what basis are the 2000  
representatives chosen ?  are the representatives chosen on  the Peshawar  
party basis ? on tribal basis, on provincial basis ? and if on provincial 
basis  then what criteria has set these 2000 people apart to be 
representative ? Also what is the percentage of representation by the 
Pashtoons, Tajiks, Uzbek, Hazara etc.  What is this Shura expected
to accomplish or, maybe, "rubber stamp" ? who is behind this Shura ?

General Zia of Pakistan once hand picked members of his Shura. Is this 
on the same line ? Also if Rabani's pseudo-government is supporting this  
Shura and is air-lifting the representatives then who is picking the tab ?
It is a well known fact the Government is practically broke ? Where is the 
money and support for this Shura coming from ? The Afghan nation need to
know by who and how the multitude of Shuras and Accords and Councils come
into being and what is the real purpose behind them ? who is to benefit
from them and what is the LEGITIMACY behind them ? 

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANSWERS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELLO, HELLO ..........
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: endevour@next03csc.wam.umd.edu (Afghan)
Subject: Irrelevant  Postings              Re: Go see the movies, you say? 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:21:54 GMT

In article <Bxx0u3.3An@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA  
(Ilyess Bdira) writes:
> 
> I do not know if any movie deserves the money you spend on it
> (here in Mntrl it costs at least 5$ on discount nights..
> I am tempted to see X, but I know better, I can see it in year
> for free... I do not mind being outdated in this particular
> department. I will settle with reading the reviews and the debates
> about it in the mean time.
> 
> I repeat, it is a complete waste of money to go see any movie
> if you can wate a few months to see it in a VCR (as many times
> as you want) for 1$, or borrow it from the Public library for 
> free in a year.
> 
> Of course, some will say that it is a complete waste of time to watch
> any movie period.. I know that those guys waste more time chatting
> with each other and backbiting sometimes.. I myself think that X would
> be a good entertainment after a day of hard work.
> Maybe it also makes a good motivation tool.
> If you are going to see the movies, go see X or a similar movie, if you
> are not, then wise choice!

It seems to me that both Zafar T Minhas and Badira are under some kind of  
evil spell and do not recognize that this is 

		  SOC.CULTURE.AFGHANISTAN 

			and    NOT
			       ^^^	
		     alt.movies.review 


Now those of us who read this news group, so far one of the few mediums of  
communication which invites free discussion over sensitive issues of  
Afghan Jihad and its outcome, expect to see more in here than a discussion  
on Dracula or the ultimate faith of alt.poetry.urdu. 

And Sir, we do not need to see Dracula since we are actually dealing with  
half dozens of them, as it is, in Afghanistan.

Regards,

H.Abed  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: appeal to help poor children in India
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:30:30 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: SBHATT@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: test , please ignore
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:58:00 GMT

OK.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: SBHATT@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: test , please ignore
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:58:00 GMT

OK.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:27:06 EST
From: "Shah" Sharif <SH0950A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject:    X-posting

hello to my fellow  Afgans.  I have been one of the silent readers
on this news group, I have noticed a lot of cross posting from
other countries to our news group with news and information that
has nothing to do with us.  Are these people that stupid  that they
can't tell the difference between S.C.A and their own f*K&ng countries.
I mean do we realy care about urdo news group, we don't even speak the
damn language.  Or the Iranian news, if I want to read it then I would go
to S.C.I and read it.
And for all those Ikhwanies that are PMSing about Algeria, creat your
own damn news group, and if you are the true beleivers of Islam as
you describe it, then why don't you go to Algeria and save them and then
go to Bosnia and save them??? and stop posting your shit to our news group.


Shah Sharif
From: UPI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: One killed, five wounded in renewed inter-Palestinian violence
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: ayman@umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- Two explosions ripped through Palestinian
refugee camps in southern Lebanon Monday, triggering a firefight between
guerrilla factions that killed at least one person and wounded five
others, security sources said.
	An explosive charge planted under the car of Awad Shehadeh, a member
of the mainstream Fatah movement, detonated at dawn in the refugee camp
of Rashidiyeh, near the port city of Tyre, 46 miles south of Beirut, the
sources said.
	Two people were seriously injured and 10 houses were damaged, the
sources said.
	Simultaneously, a bomb exploded under a military vehicle in the
nearby tiny refugee camp of Bass, they said. The vehicle was destroyed
but no casualties were reported, they said.
	The explosion triggered a firefight between rival Palestinian
fighters in the Bass shantytown. One person, identified as Ali Zeidan,
was killed and three others were wounded, according to the sources.
	The sources attributed the clash to an ongoing inter-Palestinian
struggle between the Fatah movement headed by Yasser Arafat and the
outlawed Fatah-Revolutionary Council headed by Abu Nidal.
	The representative of the Palestine Liberation Organization in
Lebanon, Shafik Al Hout, called for ``a Palestinian stand that would
bring together Arafat's group and the opposition factions to put an end
to the ongoing bloody struggle.''
	Arafat's guerrillas and the FRC have been battling since January for
the control of Lebanon's refugee camps and over the ongoing Mideast
peace talks aimed at resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict.
	Abu Nidal strongly opposed peace negotiations to reach a settlement
of the Palestinian problem and pledged to maintain the armed struggle to
liberate Palestine.
	At least 10 Palestinian officials from both sides have been killed
this year. Among them were FRC spokesman Walid Khaled and Fatah military
commander Anwar Wadi.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 19:18:48 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Litani River
 <1992Nov11.152839.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>
 <Nov11.233131.30420@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
 <1992Nov11.185958.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> <19
 <1992Nov12.195309.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>
 <1992Nov13.160701.10491@ulrik.uio.no>
 <1992Nov13.173147.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>

Noam said that he did not trust Lebanon.

Usually, when you say that you do not trust a person, is because you do not
trust the actions/words etc... that that person might say or do.

In the case of Lebanon, where we ever responsible for our decisions ?
I mean, in international politics, most of the time, our decisions were already
 made for us, wether in Baghdad, Cairo, Taef or Damascus or Damascus.

So no wonder, Noam does not trust Lebanon, most of the decisions we made were
not ours.


Nasri
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|        Je suis jeune, il est vrai; mais aux ames bien nees            |
|        La valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees.                 |
|                                                 LE CID (DON RODRIGUE) |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Normand Arthur Beeline)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:32:34 GMT

In <1992Nov17.192154.9039@tamsun.tamu.edu> kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek) writes:

" Multiplicity as you think of it, as Three Gods in One in the Christian dogma
" does not exist. They are all a manifestation of the same power. 
" You can either accept this for the profundity of it, or keep digging around
" it for centuries for lack of a more productive argument.

   Recently, it was realised that religions are masterpieces of bedtime
stories albeit boring ones. (Probably they're meant for those over 50 or 
something.) I am thinking of introducing excitement into traditional
religions, how'ld ya like that?

*norm* 
      Tell me more, tell me more!
                         From Summer Nights (JT & ONJ)
                                                      *norm*


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:35:55 GMT

In <1992Nov18.121101.4779@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

" Look what Saint Paul had to say about this:

   Thanks, Elie, for the answer.

" 1 Corinthians 1:17   For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach 
"         the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ 
"         should be made of no effect. 

   Paul was not a desciple but was an enemy of Christ so he can say anything, 
why should we trust his word? He could have converted to gain leadership over 
the church, which he did.

" 1 Corinthians 1:25   Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and 
"         the weakness of God is stronger than men. 

   How do you define "the foolishness of God?"

1 Co 2:4-5   My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive 
             words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that 
             your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

   Isn't "the Spirit's power" a miraculous sign or what?

   I think what Paul said to support _his_ message can be said almost literally
to support any myth: Put your heads aside and trust me! Isn't it strange enough
that the brain, which distinguishes humans from animals, is of no help for
humans in their main task -- recognising God?

   The Bible itself shows the disgraceful behaviour of Judas, Peter's denial
and probably other problems were not reported. Those problems bite off the
crdibility of the carriers of this message. Furthermore, the differences
between Xtianity and Judaism is not applicaple. Is there any real man who
carried them out?

" elie wardini

** "argOk 'O^a t.gIr, da na .hawalaYa ktIr" --Latifa
             wi kaman bo"i kbIr!            ==follow-up
From: j_obeid@pavo.concordia.ca (OBEID, JIHAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Seminar on Bosnia
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:17:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



In The Name of Allah, The Merciful, The Compassionate.

SEMINAR & VIDEO PRESENTATION ON
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Speakers:  Zafar Bangash, Editor of "Crescent International"

	       A Bosnian Eyewitness to the massacres.

		Followed by a panel discussion.

Time    :  6:30 - 9:30 pm
Date    :  Friday the 20th, November, 1992.
Place   :  Concordia University - 1455 De Maisonneuve O.
		Room H-937, 9th floor.

Organized by :  Students' Association For Muslim Awareness(SAMA)
in collaboration with : The Italian Students' Association (I.S.A.)
				of Concordia University.
"Al-Etehad atoulabi lel-tawe'yh El-esslamieh"


From: j_obeid@pavo.concordia.ca (OBEID, JIHAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Bosnia, Seminar & Video Presentation
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:29 -0500
Distribution: world
Keywords:  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:32:44 GMT

I am replying just to this paragraph:

In <1992Nov17.115232.25424@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

" not unless I entre into a dispute with a Muslim! Then I am not equal! of course
" I have rights and obligations, but only on the presimses of Islam, and when
" compared to a Muslim, I am not equal on a one to one basis

" elie wardini

   Your argument is baseless. Once Ali ibn abi Talib (raa), when he was the 
Caliph, disputed with a Jew about a "dir^". The judge was "shurai.h", I believe. 
The judge asked the Caliph for a proof, the Caliph could not produce one. Then 
he (the judge) asked the Jew to swear that the thing belonged to him and the 
Jew did. So, the verdict was in favour of the Jew.

**


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:27:00 GMT

" This is not true. Jesus the son of God, told us that there will come 
" many false prophets. Yet in the New Testament we are told not to shun 
" prophecy. THis means that we shold not say that there will not be any 
" prophets after Jesus, but we should learn to discern between false 
" and true prophets.

   How do you discern between them? Please, elaborate and don't tell me 
"by their fruits."

" By the way, Jesus was not a prophet. Jesus is the son of God, God
" become man. Jesus is God and not a prophet.

   I would be very grateful if someone could explain the meaning of
"son of God." Of course, you do not mean "male biological reproduction
of God." Please also elaborate on this. You may refer to Biblical
verses. Also please substantiate that a "son of God" can not be or is 
not a prophet.

   I am also confused about that Jesus is God's only son while God is
our father. This does not mean we are the daughters of God, does it?
(No offense.)


** 'alOlI .tab^ak bI.haYar
   'ana 'olti .Tab^i byit.gaYar
                                --Mayyada


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: ? About a Fairuzic
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:37:01 GMT

In article <nabeel.722229488@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>   In one of Fairuz' mowashahs she says:
>   
>      law kAna qalbI ma^I ma .ktarto .gayrakomO
>         wa lA ra.dIto siwAkom fi lhawA badalA
>         
>   Who is she addressing?
>

If you follow the rest of the mowashaH you would find that she says:
la-kinahou raghiboun fi-man youAazhibouhou wa-laysa yaqbalou la lawman
wala Aataba.

So Obviously she was addressing some one that did not torture
her heart.  In other words, some one she was turning down, telling them
that it is not her...but rather her heart (What a lame execuse, eh?). :)).

The andalusiyet at their best!! :).

Samir.

-- 
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aHtarifou l-Houzna wal-intiDhar     artaqibou l-aati wala ya'ti
@ishrouna @aman wa-ana yaskinouni l-Haninou wal-rijou@           "Fairuz"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Mayyada, Warda and Fairuz (in this order)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:03:03 GMT

In <BxsJuC.JwE@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:

"  (Hani Abinassif) writes:

" >We need more Mayyadas, Wardas and Fairouzes:-)

" Not necessarily in that order :).

" Samir.

Why not?

** ya .habIbi get anA, get liDonya diYa iLa ^ashAn a.hiBak
   ^ashan yidOb ^omrI min gar.hi .gadrak badrI
   sham^a wara sham^a wi t^ish inta li far.ha
   ya .habIbi fadAk anA, wi snIni Li gaYa, fadak 'albi Li .haBak
   imshI fo' haMI, fo' dam^I, w .gaNI 
   wa la tinzilshi dam^a lela fo' .kaDak
                              --Mayyada "ilhobb illi kan"

** 'ana w inta .hkAya .hilwah lil'ismA wi Na.sIb
   ma fihAsh gidId ya rau.hI wa la fIha she' ^agIb
   baS il.hoB il.ha'I'i l'aYAm di she' .garIb
                               --Warda "mo'giza"

** 'ana kil ma bshOfak ka'iNi bshOfak la'aWil maRa .habIbi
   'ana kil ma twiDa^na ka'iNa twiDa^na la'A.kir maRa .habIbi
   'iLI .hkIli 'i.hna mIn w laysh imnitlaFat .kayfIn
   w min mIn .kayfIn?
                               --Fairuz

[It's all from DRAM, so apologies for mistakes especially
that Warda and Fairuz are outside my field of specialisation!]


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