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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Chinesestudent at Democratic Convention
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:05:58 GMT

In article <92198.015516XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
<From: yzhang@crcvms.unl.edu
<
<For those of you who watched the Chinese student speaking at yesterday's
<Democratic Convention, I'd like share my feeling with you.
<
<After watching and listening to the student I was very sad.  He may be a good
<actor; he speaks good English and has an excellent voice and nice smile.  But
<he is not sincere and his speech is pointless.  He was playing politics there.

I agree completely.  The "student" in question was that scoundrel Li Lu,
whom I recently met, to my great displeasure.  (I had successfully avoided
meeting him several times.  Oh, well, can't go on like that forever.)

<  He didn't say anything that he represents any other Chinese
<  students in USA.

IFCSS certainly does make such claims.

<  Actually he was in TAM on June 4,1989.

Big deal.  So were many others.  He's just another simple-minded
reactionary.  The only difference between him and most of the others
is that his mouth is more _sao1_ than theirs.

<  He
<  was a student leader then, as well as the girl beside him on
<  the plateform, Chi Ling.

That's right:  one _chou4 biao3zi_ standing by another on top of their
_pai2fang1_.  _Yi4 qiu1 zhi1 he4_.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shi4 shang4 wu2 nan2 shi4, zhi3 yao4 ken3 deng1 pan1.  --Mao2 Zhu3xi2
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:18:53 GMT

s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:


>This kind of rumor reminds me of the old days (:-) when USA women's
>volleyball team beat China from time to time and many Chinese speculated
					   	  ============	
>that Haman (sp?) in USA team was a man. People are people wherever they
>are. Don't take them too seriously.

Please give reference about this speculation. Which newspaper or magazine
made such comment? If it's yours, please make it clear. Don't make gossips
out of rumors. 

The Chicago Tribune should be sued for making irresponsible rumor. Hope 
someone (from Chinese Embassy or IFCSS?) will help Zhuang Yong sue 
the newspaper. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21262 rec.sport.olympics:1368
From: scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Anecdote
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:27:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

hxiao@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Hemin Xiao) writes:

>In article <13810@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>>
>>    I can hardly believe the following story.  Is it interesting?
>>
>>=========================================================================
>>
>>    BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- Showing a little too much buttock will cost
>>you in women's gymnastics.
>>

etc...

>Did anyone who watched the game noticed this? Was is the design of the
>uniform caused the penalty or the way they were wearing it?

According to a friend of mine who competes in rhythmic gymnastics, it does
indeed cost you points if you show too much skin in the posterior regions.
Her team prevented accidental exposure by using tape and/or glue at 
appropriate locations inside their outfits.

- Lou
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20746 soc.culture.soviet:6242
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (keeping China communist 100 years!)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 18:35:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>->There is some problem here, if Mao did not destroy the "Old China", 
>->how could he establish the "New China"?
>
>Well, in order to destroy the Old China, the communists need to destroy
>all living memory of Chinese culture. This will take about 100 years,
>until most everyone who was alive before Mao seized power is dead, and
>all racial memory of the Old China is gone, breaking forever the 
>cultural link between the new Chinese people and the old pre-communist 
>Chinese. Then the communists can spread any propaganda they want about
>how terrible the Old China was, and there will be noone alive able to 
>refute their lies with firsthand experience.
>
>->Mao knew how to kill millions of people ...
>
>Yes, but his great work of destroying thousands of years of Chinese
>cultural development and erasing thousands of years of Chinese history 
>is still only partly accomplished. But the New China is already visible
>as a shining mirage, just over the horizon.
>
It seems that Mao and Deng have done great job, some people constantly
praise them from time to time. At least, those useless people are not
existed to consume Chinese food.  It seems CCP has done a great job,
even now many people are afraid to go back China, some people still
praise CCP for their blew job. It seems the current China is better
than any of the world nations, some people still believe China is 
not behind, not poor, GNP is still high in comparion with many
nations. It seems the NEW CHINA is better than OLD CHINA, at least
in the old days, people did not dare to put "PEOPLE" above the nation
name. Yeah, People's Republic of  ...., people own nothing.

It seems Chinese soon or later may become second group of Jewish, have 
to wonder from nation to nation to find a home.  Oh, yeah, it is better
than to be a Chinese (No dog, or Chinese).
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ Special Report 4012: Where to Get Information on IFCSS Insurance
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:01:41 GMT


**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters Special Report No. 4012       July 25, 1992
      WHERE TO GET INFORMATION ON IFCSS INSURANCE PROGRAM
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


     Where to Get Information on IFCSS Insurance Program
     ===================================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

     Recently, many people have contacted the IFCSS HQ asking
for information on the IFCSS Insurance program underwritten
by the International Group Services (IGS). This indicates 
that there has been a growing interest in this insurance 
program offered by the Committee on Student Service of IFCSS.

     There is a toll-free telephone number for interested
persons to contact. Please call

     Mr. Andrew L. Colbert (sales and promotion Department, IGS)
                   at
              1-800-336-3310.
     and ask for information brochures on the IFCSS program.

     The telephone number of IGS (International Group Service)
is 1-800-327-6438.

     If there are any complaints about the service, please
contact the Company (IGS) as well as IFCSS HQ so that the
HQ and the Student Service Committee will make sure
that qestions or problems are satisfatorily resolved.

     (Please note: the IFCSS Insurance program is open to
all Chinese students and scholars (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong
etc.) in the United States.

     Thanks for your attention.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Reply-To: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:40:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133532.10186@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>In article <BrtK1G.Er3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cyeh@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Woody) writes:
>>
>>	ps: I don't like San1 Mao2's books. I have read 7 of her books at
>>	least twice. I still consider her work is not much better than junk.
>>
>
>I would like to share my opion about San Mao's books: I don't like them
>either. I read her Sahara Desert and a couple of other books and got
>tired of them soon. IMO, San Mao is a little bit shen2 jing1 xi1 xi1
>(making fuss of nothing) (at least in her books). Her writing is
>completely woman-style (literally), but different from that of another woman
>novelist Qiong2 Yao2 in Taiwan. Qiong2 Yao2's books are drugs, so to
>speak, while San Mao's books are not worse than junk.

    I suggest you guys read some books of Guo Lianghui. Her books are drugs
also. I like her books. At least she is at the same level as Qiong Yao.
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 1st gold medal for China in Barcelona92
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: alcor.l75ue6INNqnb
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul26.193312.748@cnedcu51.bitnet> ifwang@cnedcu51.bitnet writes:
> 
>  In Games of the XXVth Olympia, Barcelona, in Women's 100m FreeStyle 
>Swim,  ZHUANG Yong, won the gold medal and got new Olymplic record.
>  To hell with the "60 swimming pools"!
>
>  
> Congratulations !

   Fantastic!
   How much bouns for her ? 

   Should we set up a fund for China's gold medalist?  No, it is not a good
idea, since we may end up bankrupted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Subject: Re: How to Translate?
Reply-To: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Organization: Unknown
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.190515.10932@ttinews.tti.com> yao@perform1.tti.com (Yao) writes:
>
>It's fun watching you guys trying hard to translate Luo2 Guan4-Zhong1's
>poem-- some are serious contenders while others are half-heartedly humorous,
>but all are very Jing1 Cai3.
>
>P.S. Personally I favor a direct (minimalist) translation, leaving the rest
>     of the imagination up to the reader.  Example:
>
>     Resting still are those rivers and mountains
>     Yet how many times will the sun set in red ?

In my opinion this translation is closest to the orignal meaning
of the poem. But mine is even closer:-)

Still the rivers flow and the mountains stand over thousands years
But how many times can a man see the red sunsets in his life?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:19:51 GMT

In article <13061.2a6dca36@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang) writes:

.....
>
>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 

The first paragraph of the article is:
The use of Olympic athletes as instruments of state propaganda is widely
in disrepute. Most of the totalitarian sports factories are being
dismantled amid public disgust at the huge sums spent on facilites, the
privileges and cash bestowed on winners, the epidemic abuse of steroids
and other drugs adn the emotional wreckage bred by taking children from
parents at a tender age, training them obsessively for one task and
tossing them aside when their competitive days are over. But in one
nation, especially in one sport, the old ways are unrepentantly
deployed. For China's divers, who are recruited starting at age five and
often sent by age eight to compounds where training methods are state
secrets, the expected result is a flotilla of medals. It had better be:
after the Seoul Games in 1988, the Minister of Sports was sacked from
the Cabinet because the teams won fewere medals than politicians had
hoped for.

Sorry, I lost the interest the copy the last paragraph. Another
propaganda rubbish.

Tingli Pan
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:53:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
>fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
>speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
>about it."

As a frequent (especially with the establishment of tpc) reader of scc,
we all know how many speculation and rumors can happen to China, right?

Something we can do now is enjoy :)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:47:53 GMT

In article <9207231916.AA04486@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
>          see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
>
>          I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
>          think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
>          and lively.  
>
>          She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
>          has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
>          beginning statement of 3 Guo:
>
>              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
>               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."
>
>          (The earth still rotates, although sometimes we miss the
>          sun).
>
To me, I perfer your writing instead of Qion Yao's. Her books ain't that
bad, but too much Nian Nian Qiang.

>          By the way, is Gone with Wind by women?  It is among the
>          best books I have ever read.
>
Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:52:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <2815@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.165935.1577@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>|> In article <yzhou.712266040@void>, yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>|> I think there are cases when Chinese are tested positive, BUT it was because
>|> the athletes took some traditional Chinese flu-killer (Su4 Xiao4 Shang1 Feng1
>|> Jiao1 Nang2, fast cold relief sapsule) which should not have steriods.  I heard
>|> of this in 1985 or so.  It is said that the national team then decided to avoid
>|> these flu-killers during the training sessions and the games.
>|> 
>|> Any use of steriods by Chinese athletes?  I have never heard of.
>|> 
>
>It might be those journalists have too much steroids...

It seems that I'm reading the A-Q sory again.
Of course, you can say something like that "Oh, it was Chinese traditional
medicine to avoid the ambarasement.  Beside Chinese traditional medicine
may contain a lot of things.  "Gan1Cao3Pian4", a cough relief, has
Opium.  Many have Hg.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Wang, Yifu won the forth gold medal for China
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:50:38 GMT

In article <92210.092415U59767@uicvm.uic.edu> U59767@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Wang Yifu won a gold medal in men's pistol today.
>This is his second medal in three days.
>He also won a siver medal on Sunday.

This answers Wang Xiaofei's question: which Gui1 Er2 will win a gold
medal?:-)
From: cyuhua@NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Chongyu Hua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Olympic Medal Standings (thur 17 events)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:20:00 GMT



        Medal standings at the Barcelona Olympics through 17 events.
                              Gold Silver Bronze Tot.
Unified Team                  5    1       0      6
United States                 3    2       4      9
China                         2    5       0      7
Hungary                       2    1       0      3
Germany                       1    1       3      5
Bulgaria                      1    1       0      2
Australia                     1    0       1      2
South Korea                   1    0       0      1
Japan                         1    0       0      1
France                        0    2       1      3
Sweden                        0    2       1      3
Italy                         0    1       1      2
Poland                        0    1       0      1
Yugoslavia                    0    0       1      1
Finland                       0    0       1      1
Holland                       0    0       1      1
Romania                       0    0       1      1
Mongolia                      0    0       1      1
Suriname                      0    0       1      1
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:49:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <2823@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.031851.4915@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>|> In article <2814@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Jul27.135316.9138@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>
>Can't a body builder go to run or swim and get a medal? 

No, absolutely not.  A body builder and a Chinese national
team veteran joined our college team in the same year.
People who don't know swimming would point to the musculine body
builder and ask "Is he the national team veteran?"  The
national team veteran, a breast-stroke swimmer (1'12" 100M)
was actually a very skinny guy.  The body builder was a very
slow swimmer no matter how hard he tried.  He was just hanging
out with the swimmers to have fun.

I watched the men`s
4x100 free relay with a group of people today.  They all
laughed at the US swimmers when seeing their thin waists
with ribs showing, like ants.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re:Daughter of General marry with son of Chair. of Allied-Signal
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:15:57 +1000

Shannon Yeh writes:+>the King Church in New Vernon, N.J.
>>   Mrs. Wang-Hennessy, 35 years old, is a financial analyst
>>at Allied-Signal Inc. in Morristown, N.J. She gratuated
>>from the University of Houston. Her father, who is retired,
>>was a general in the Chinese Army.
>>   Mr. Hennessy, 36, is a products analyst in Troy, N.Y.,
>>for the Allied-Signal Automotive North American Friction
>>Materials Group. His father recently retired as the
>>chairman of Allied-Signal.


>This is the China 0 / US 1 game.  Let's see how many China 1 / US 0
>games will happen:-).

>(You know what 0 and 1 means by the physical appearance of these two digits.)

Why don't you grow up you racist pig!
Andrew Papadimos
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:52:12 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul24.132247.6811@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>In article <l6ulgcINNhpp@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>>
>>>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>>>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>>
>>   The author must mean good and clean pools, matching international
>>standard. How many pools you visited have 10 meter diving tower and
>>hot shower?
>Again, go read carefully and figure out yourself. The number has nothing
>to do with quality of pools. By the way, how many such pools are there
>in the US. Don't think China is worth nothing simply because She is now poorer.
>Grow UP!

  I do believe the authour is bashing China diving team just as they
did to Yito before winter Olympic. I haven't read the report yet.
But one thing I am sure is that the Time reports you because you are
a strong competitor. What can you expect from an 'enemy'. 

  I don't know how many Olympic standard swimming pool here in States.
It is quite expensive to build and maintain such facility. I know my 
school did not have one untill 84 summer Olympic. There used to be a
small indoor pool (still open), not as good as that in my school in
Beijing.

>>   Majority of them are 'urinal' pool, though some university do have
>> good and clean swimming pool.
>I can assure you although they look dirty, they don't have as many
>AIDS virus.

  I was infected 'red eye' twice in those dirty pools. In those days,
noboday was wearing goggle, 'red eye' was a real trouble each year.

  The chance you get AIDS in a swimming pool is virtually zero, at least
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.200258.29667@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.063950.23650@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>In article <1079@pga.ts.com>, pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>|> >
......

>>|> >done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|> >drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                After all, we Chinese do have the
courage to drown all of our female childre. As a matter of fact, all the
female athletics in Olympic are just the disguise of Chinese male
athletics. 

Let me think, after about half a centery, China would have become a
homosex country. And....

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lchai@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Liang Chai)
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:45:47 GMT

In article <9207241305.AA16216@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>          The original is:
>              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
>               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."
>

   Could you post the whole poem? I can not remeber! Thanks.

Liang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: San1 Mao2's books
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:35:32 GMT

In article <BrtK1G.Er3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cyeh@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Woody) writes:
>
>	ps: I don't like San1 Mao2's books. I have read 7 of her books at
>	least twice. I still consider her work is not much better than junk.
>

I would like to share my opion about San Mao's books: I don't like them
either. I read her Sahara Desert and a couple of other books and got
tired of them soon. IMO, San Mao is a little bit shen2 jing1 xi1 xi1
(making fuss of nothing) (at least in her books). Her writing is
completely woman-style (literally), but different from that of another woman
novelist Qiong2 Yao2 in Taiwan. Qiong2 Yao2's books are drugs, so to
speak, while San Mao's books are not worse than junk.