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Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 12:18:28 -0400 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: devious helios(was RE: RE:RE: Re: Re:Re: ok i repent - NOT!
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I'm amazed.  An actual discussion on the merits of a recording...in rmi
of all places.  Who'd a thunk it?

>FC9.. sorry to disapoint you but thats the way 99% of Helios Creed vocals
>FC9.. sound like, didn't you hear any of their albums before.  The reason
>FC9.. being that he doesn't really believe that he has anything consequential
>FC9.. to say, and any way I would rather "not" hear what he has to say
on songs
>FC9.. called "Big Clown" or "Nirbassion Anassion" or "Master Blaster" 
>FC9.. and by the way since when does "noise" have to have a point???
>FC9.. I haven't heard "LP" yet but it is supposedly his loosest and most
>FC9.. experimental, I would suggest "Boxing the Clown" from 1989, the band
>FC9.. is seriously "diseased", but If you are looking for meaningful 
>FC9.. lyrics and vocals stick to "INDUSTRIAL" or buy the new "Helmet"
which has
>FC9.. that in abundance(and not much else, sadly).

First of all, if Creed is going to do his vocals like he does, I'd
rather he just skipped them.  If he doesn't really have anything to say,
the songs are going to stand or fall on the merits of the music.  So
just make 'em instrumentals.  I'm not bothered by instrumentals, and
neither will most of his fans, I have a feeling.

I didn't say pointless noise, I said pointless guitar noodling.  In my
mind, there is a difference.  "Lactating Purple" wasn't really textured
enough to be a noise recording, so I had to judge it on the guitar work.
 Which, quite frankly, seemed to wander around without going anywhere. 
The guitar stuff sounded pointless.  The songs on "LP" weren't noisy
enough to be real soundscapes, but they didn't really have any sort of
identity as a song either.  Plus the backing band, where they appeared,
weren't terribly impressive.  The only other Helios Creed I've heard
besides "LP" is "Master Blaster" from _Boxing The Clown_ (which appeared
on the "Ugly American Overkill" sampler) and whatever the name of the
song is that appeared on "Smells Like Smoked Sausages", another AmRep
sampler which appeared after "LP".  Not my cup of tea.

I'm not particularly attached to meaningful vocals.  I don't mind dopey
material.  Heck, my favorite band, ALL, tend to write songs about a) 
women, b)  food and c)  sleep.  But their lyrics aren't moronic, and are
delivered well (incidentally, they're NOT industrial, but are sort of
melodic punk).  Anyway, Creed should just go with instrumentals, IMHO.

FInally, the new Helmet smokes.  I had _Strap It On_ before Helmet even
signed to Interscope, so I'd been looking forward to it for a while. 
What I love about Helmet is most definately not their lyrics, which I
pay no attention to.  I love their precision attack on the guitars, and
the elaborate rhythms.  Page Hamilton doesn't write songs so much as
string riffs together in a pattern.  I love it.  I think the cleaner
recording by Wharton Tiers only helped their sound.  _Meantime_ is one
of the albums of the year.

Joshua Buergel      | Every time she slit her wrists
allroy+@cmu.edu     | I wish she hit instead of missed.
jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu | Every secret family crime
                    | All my love a waste of time.
                    |    - ALL, Scary Sad
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