From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: JFH and Fred's Ridiculous Flaming
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:30:35 GMT

In <21464@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.154312.28167@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
>>It might be worth pointing out here that this whole pointless flamewar
>>might never have happened if you, John, had not posted 'Fuck you' to
>>Fred's sincere congratulations. Why couldn't you keep it to e-mail, or
>>just do the mature thing and keep your mouth (keyboard) shut.

>Rick - you just don't get it, do you.  Fred's congratulations WEREN'T
>sincere.  

No, John, it is YOU who just don't get it.  My congratulations (since
retracted) were indeed quite sincere.  Your attempts at 'mindreading'
to tell me what I think and what my motives are for things have proven
to be singularly unsuccessful.  Given that, you really should give up,
lest someone draw the conclusion that you are deliberately lying and
distorting things.

Unlike you, I don't feel the need to make a vendetta out of every
disagreement with someone.  Even if you were important enough to
matter (you aren't), I wouldn't do that.  You, on the other hand, most
manifestly would and have.  Who was it again who got told "fuck you"
by who?

>It is one thing to disagree, which Jay and John and Peter and
>many others do with me.  But Fred is just plain mean-spirited.  Fred
>can't just have a difference of opinion.  No, he makes it into some
>personal crusade.

I think you better go back through all that old netnews you say you
save and take a look at just who threw the first rocks at who, John.
I recall quite a few accusations from your direction, so you seem to
be the one with the personal crusade.  I simply respond in kind
because it's what little immature children like you seem to need.

When you elect to act like a dick, I treat you like a dick.  When you
elect to act otherwise, I treat you otherwise.  Unfortunately, you
seem to work so hard at acting like a dick most of the time that it
may indeed seem to you that I treat you like one most of the time.
However, I'm not responsible for either your delusions or your
paranoid persecution complex.

>For example, the discussion about me having Joe in my KILL file (which
>honestly he hasn't been in quite a few months, that's how silly
>Fred's protests were recently).  

Congratulations.  However, how am I to know that you took him out of
your kill file, after you spent so much bandwidth and were so vehement
about how and why you had him in it?  Expecting me to read your mind
or crack your machine to see who is in your killfile today (assuming I
cared) is the silly part, John.

>It wasn't enough to just say "Well, you
>shouldn't announce that you have him in your KILL file." and be done
>with it.  But when Daryl recently put Fred in his KILL file, what was
>Fred's response?  Why, let's drag my name through the mud all over
>again.

Drag your name through the mud again?  Why, John, is this an admission
that you were wrong back there when you were so insistent that you
could put anyone you wanted into your killfile and that there was
nothing wrong with announcing it to the world?  Because if it isn't,
then there can't possibly have been any 'mud' to drag your name
through, now could there?

You got mentioned, John, because you had made such a big deal out of
it and gotten so personally abusive when we had the discussion on you
doing the same sort of thing.  You were too good a bad example not to
mention, and when last heard from you were still insisting that you
were in the right.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.