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From: benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Am I wobbling?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:03:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


Here is my question:

About 10 days ago, a car driven by a drunk guy hit the side of the car
in front of me, I crushed my brakes but fell and dropped the bike.
That was happening at about 15 mph.

I piked up the bike (Nighthawk 700S), the engine was roughned, the
little fairing was scratched, and the right handlebar was twisted that
is the thing that attaches the brake fluid case and lever and throttle
had turn a quarteer of a turnn and the handlebar itself went up.
Howver everything was just in the "customizable" range of change. To
make myself clearer, it could all be fixed fine by unscrewing a couple
screws, readjusting the bars and accessories and rescrewing in the
couple of screws.

Now, The bike souds and runs perfect enginewise. BUT... When i hold
the bars with one hand only, the front wheel starts shaking (very
slightly), and more and more as i release pressure of my hands on the
bar (as an experiment.)  Is this normal? Could it be a result of the
accident?

Thanks in advance,
Benjamin
benjamin@ai.mit.edu --- dod 676 -- Nighthawk 700S
From: erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Knee Dragging
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:38:59 GMT
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
: left) that I am at my knee first now.  Too bad I was wearing one of my
: better pairs of pants; now, like many others, they are just another
: pair with a hole.
: 
: I've got to get on the track again more next year.

	Your lucky it's only your pants with the hole and not your knee. 
Sounds like you need a set of leathers. Makes the knee dragging a lot
nicer, and much more fun. 


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  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1988 NX-650  *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:53:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Sep25.172117.555@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>what is a CR750 and how is it different than a CB750?

  A CR750 is a race kitted CB750 with things like magnesium cases, different
cams, pistons, rods, bodywork (it has some!), etc.  There was an article
on one in (I think) the August issue of _American_Motorcyclist_ (published
by the AMA .. free with your membership).  

  The one I'm looking at is a bit different since it was built by Pops.  It
has alloy wheels (no spokes) a 4 into 1 exhaust, fiberglass tank, very
different internal engine components, a close ratio tranny, and a rear disc.

  -Jim
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: FZR400 PARTS WANTED
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:53:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <97442@bu.edu> HKORNFELD@BUPULA.BU.EDU (HARDY KORNFELD) writes:
>I am looking for some bits for my FZR400 racer:
>
>front and rear wheels

         Front wheel  1WG-25168-00-WG
         Rear wheel   1WG-25338-00-WG

>rear wheel hub

         1KT-25366-03-00

>delta box swing arm from a '90

         3EN-22110-50-00

>2 pot brake calipers from a '90

         Right 2GH-25810-01-00
         Left  2GH-25810-11-00

>unbent fairing stay

         3FH-28356-00-00  (approx. $105 new)

  As an aside, you do know that the '90 calipers won't bolt up to anything
but a '90 front end, right?  (the mounting points are not wide enough)

 -Jim
From: aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: WSB Sugo Round - Full Results
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: tivoli.4597
Reply-To: aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen)
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX

tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
> In world championship events, a blue flag is displayed by corner workers
> to backmarkers to tell them they are about to be passed. You will usually
> see them pull off the racing line ....

dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) wrote:
>...
>I was on blue, and the Group A race leader was coming at the Group N race leader
>really fast. There is ONLY ONE RACE LINE through this corner, and I waved the
>blue like crazy. The stupid prick went to pass through the bend, and suddenly
>there was a major smash, with injuries, both cars written off and a fire.

I beg to differ.  Cars and bikes are not alike.  On many tracks, there are
often only one line thru a corner for a car, thus sometimes making it
dangerous for a slower car to be in the way.  On a bike, most tracks are
wide enough for more than one line thru a corner, thus making the slow
bikes less of of a problem.  (Granted when there is a BIG differential
in speed, as in the 500 GP's a few years back, there is a lot of danger,
but that is caused by a situation more akin to running a race with big
bikes and small bikes together, rather than a case of faster & slower
bikes in the same class.)

Now in a highly competitive class such as WSB, I can't believe that the
slow bikes are _that_ much slower that they pose a safety problem.
Furthermore, as someone pointed out, Polen, Pirovano, Mertens, Merkel,
Slight, et al. did not problems with backmarkers, how come Roche did?

I believe that blue flags have no place in motorcycle racing, for several
reasons.  One, as I said, bikes don't have the big-footprint problem
of cars.  Two, because of the variety of lines possible in a given corner,
a bike that's moving about is much less predictable than a car, making
it harder for the passer to plot a line around the passee; so the passee
should maintain a steady course and _not_ "move out of the way."
Three, cornerworking personnel often are not themselves riders (or
drivers), thus they are not good judges of passing situations.
 Four, worse, sometimes they are prone to power trips, using the blue
flags like badges of authority so much that the riders (drivers) end up
ignoring them.  [E.g. most of the SCRAMP cornerworkers at the USGP's at
Laguna Seca have worked only car events, are much more blue-flag happy,
are more verse at things like signalling "lift tow" or "pull tow,"
and are less adept at things like picking bikes up.]

[Michael, sorry if this sounds offensive;  it is not directed at you.]

dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) wrote:
>Being on flags is not an easy job, and if the people racing, cars and bikes
>alike, choose to ignore them then this sort of thing will happen.

I agree.  But again, if the flagging is frivolous, the riders might
choose to ignore them.

-- 
Andy Nguyen/Team Paranoid (512) 794-9070  aqn@tivoli.com  ...!uunet!tivoli!aqn
From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Mladin for Cagiva in '93
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.035405.24217@newshost.anu.edu.au>, gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au (Neal Gowen) writes:
> Report in "Canberra Times" newspaper today states that Australian
> Superbike champion Mathew Mladin, will take Eddie Lawson's place in the
> Cagiva team in 1993.

More likely that Mladin is replacing Barros as #2 and Chandler is
replacing Lawson as #1. Can't blame the Aussies for wanting to
drag their battered roadracing egos out of the cellar. Nice
try. 8-)


mtiberio@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: toddn@comm.mot.com (Todd Nordby)
Subject: Re: AMA SuperBikes @ Texas Motor Speedway
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:37:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing

In article <1992Oct02.123833.748@eng.umd.edu>, green@eng.umd.edu (Michael
Green) wrote:
> 
> 
> The race was easily won by Doug Polen, riding at his "home track".
> Jamie James was second followed by Scott Russell. Russell's third
> was enough to give him the championship by 2 points over James.
> Spencer was the early leader but retired with a chunked tire.
> 
> (More details in a week).

When are we going to Las Vegas?  I've got a few football games I'd
like to know about too Mike :)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: rpb0804@zeus.tamu.edu (BATES, ROBERT PATRICK)
Subject: AMA SUperbikes at Texas World Speedway Oct 9-11
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:26:00 GMT

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Race results of THIS weekend's races... I liek the idea 
about taking him to Vegas!

The races are October 9-11 at the Texas World Speedway, just South of Colleget 
Station on Texas 6.

I had a price sheet on tickets, but can't seem to find it right now.  However, 
I do remember that Friday is free, and to get a whole weekend pass for the 
Grandstand/Infield was $30, infield parking was $5, and the paddock passes were 
$10.  These prices are for the whole weekend; I don't remember individual day's 
prices.  Also STUDENTS get 1/2 off the entrance prices!!! So, for everything 
and Grand/Infield tickets, it comes to about $30 for the whole weekend.  And, 
as is usual, there are no breaks on M/C parking... When will TWS ever learn???

See ya'll there!

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Robert Bates                        Disclaimer:
rpb0804@zeus.tamu.edu                   "I make no claims..."
Texas A & M University
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Knee Dragging
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
	<1136@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:00:05 GMT

In <1136@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com
(Michael Bain) writes:

   Yeah, today I was talking to Bruce Lind after his win in the 600 class
   (prod, I think).  He was a bit surprised that he touched his knee in an
   earlier race on his 1100 Suzuki, since he *never* does.

It can be very surprising.  On the 14th (I remember it because it was
the day after I got back from working Summit Pt this month) I dragged
my knee somewhat by accident.  Normally I drag the peg on my Katana
1100 first, but I seem to have worn that side down enough (no feeler
left) that I am at my knee first now.  Too bad I was wearing one of my
better pairs of pants; now, like many others, they are just another
pair with a hole.

I've got to get on the track again more next year.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Tiberio Race Report, Nelson Ledges
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:31 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <51306@seismo.CSS.GOV>, tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
> Went to Nelson Ledges Road Course this past weekend ...

way to go, tibero!


we're rootin' for ya!

--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:38:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <BvAwqI.J0v@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
> In article <51267@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
> > After finally
> >winning (and withdrawing my entry) in a 750 gp race at my local track (TO 
> >didn't show) I stopped running AHRMA. 
> 
>   Why did you withdraw?  And why did you stop?  
> 
I withdrew because I have a distain for any trophy won with an illegal
bike (remember I was running a 1000 in 750 gp), and I couldn't stand
another (all my ahrma trophies sit in a pile by themselves, wouldn't
want them dirtying my legit trophies on the wall) . two, the guy that
came in second came from california (randy bradesku was his name I
think) ran summit for the first time that day and rode his nuts off and
if I hadn't had a monster motor, he would have beaten me. I stopped
running ahrma because i told myself i wouldn't run it again until they
have an open class or I develop a 750 motor. Since Guzzi short stroke
cranks are no longer made (the factory broke the forging dies) and that
one class is the only reason for me to have a 750 I can't justify
building a 750 motor. The other reason is because AHRMA is frustrating
to race with, they are a social club that also races. I like a
professionallY run organization. AHRMA is not timely with grid sheets,
results, etc. Plus I don't like having to put another 1/2 can of safety
wire on my bike to pass their totally paranoid inspection, while a Team
Obsolete total loss oil system Norton can leak oil like a stuck pig and
pass inspection no problem.

My solution:

Run WERA vintage!!!


mtiberio@bbn.com
Three time and current
WERA Vintage IV National #1
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:16:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <51269@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
>My solution:
>Run WERA vintage!!!

  That would be nice.  The only problem is that the W in WERA is sort
of a misnomer since I don't think they cross the Rockies very often.
(Twice a year? maybe?)

In article <10696@wrgate.wr.tek.com> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>  If Jim is in the Denver area, probably his only choice will be to ride
>with the MRA, 

  Yeah, but I'm out in Calif. and there seems to be plenty of AHRMA events
out here.  There was one last weekend at Portland and there's another coming
up in November at Sears (although I've heard they may cancel due to a lack
of money for hay bales (of all things)).

>to keep up a steady racing program. 

  I intend to keep racing modern stuff since there are many more events
for 'em.  If I just raced vintage out here, I'd couldn't satisfy my need
for speed.  There is also a vintage class in the AFM and I'll probably do
that as well.

  Mostly, I just want to race the CR for yucks (and maybe collect some
wood!).  I like wrenching and tuning (carbs and suspensions) so I think a
vintage bike will provide hours of entertainment.  It's sort of a family
bike (my friends have owned it for the past 16 years) and I'd like to put it
on the track where it belongs.  I also would like to preserve its history
since supposedly it was quite a famous bike in its time.
 
 -Jim
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:15:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <51267@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
>
>I doubt you will raise many eyebrows unless your bike is illegal. I have
>raced in about 5 of AHRMA's 750 Gp races, 3 times on an 850 and twice
>on a 1000 Guzzi and was never able to best Team Obsolete. After finally
>winning (and withdrawing my entry) in a 750 gp race at my local track (TO 
>didn't show) I stopped running AHRMA. I believe that Honda 750 based
>race bikes must run "stock" swing arms, and stock single piston calipers.
>Lots O` luck...

Hey Mike,
How'd you get that Goose past AHRMA tech?  Pre '72 and <750cc's, you're
too new and too big.

BTW, the R90S dyno'd at 58.6HP on the rear tire (5280' altitude) and is 405#.
Love to chase you around a track sometime!

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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Backmarkers and flags
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <BvD5KC.9pr@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes: 
|>   Any rider that thinks he know more about track or traffic conditions and
|> elects to ignore turnworker flags should have his license yanked.

That's refreshing to hear.  I worked the corners at last weekend's AMA Regional
at Road Atlanta.  While in the pits, looking for part for my bike, I got to
hear some of the racers griping about the corner workers.  This really griped
my ass, because I was volunteering to help them out.

I agree that the corner workers are not always versed in motorcycle racing
(last weekend over half the workers were SCCA folks) but AMA does give a 
pre-race brief to alert workers to the specifics of bike racing.

What really annoyed me was to hear racers complaining about getting help 
moving a crashed bike during the race.  If the bike is out of the line then
the corner workers have to concentrate on keeping other riders alerted,
getting the start/finish stand alerted, checking on the rider and numerous
other tasks.  Cleaning up the bike happens after the race is over...

Sorry to spew so much, but I've had that bug since this weekend.  The good 
side of this is some riders are the other extreme.  One guy spent the rest of
the race helping the corner workers and telling race stories after dumping in
our corner.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Tiberio Race Report, Nelson Ledges
Keywords: GUZZI, VINTAGE TWINS
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:05:46 GMT


Went to Nelson Ledges Road Course this past weekend for my second and
last visit there this year. There were 2 races that were of special
interest to me, the first of which was on Saturday, and that is the
Vintage 5 race. I was hoping to win, taking the 20 points and denying
my fellow competitors of same. This would help me immesurably at the
GNF, which is not a winner take all final race, but simply the last
round in a series. I was able to beat 2 1100cc Japanese 4 cylinder
bikes riden by members of the Rochester Road Racers who call Nelson
Ledges their home track. It was even sweeter in that one of them is the
standing Vintage 5 National Champion. I was also able to beat the 3
cylinder water cooled 2-stroke of Team Suzuki Yesteryear.  The Suzuki
had a plug wire disintergrate, but I believe I had his number either
way. I was able to get to my best time ever just 4 laps into my first
practice session Saturday morning. Danny Meisner, my able pit crew
timed me at 1:17.9. I knew Kris Bernstein of Suzuki Yesteryear was
timing me and that made it especially sweet. I was able to turn a
personal best of 1:16 during the race, and that left me really pumped.
If I can win this coming weekend at Summit, I should be able to take
the National title by simply finishing third at the GNF.

In the twins heat on Saturday, I came in second to an RZ350, riden by a
local.  They combined the twins race with a novice production race, and
put us at the back, I got hung up not wanting to pass a bunch of
squirely novices settled for 2nd and a front row position for Sundays
race. I woke up Sunday feeling tired, and was unable to put in any fast
times in practice. This sometimes happens, and I usually need either a
cup of coffee or something to make me angry to bust out of this
lacksidaical mood. Coffee didn't work and nothing got me worked up,
however I knew that the title would probably decided at my home track
next weekend, and that it was only necessary for me to score points in
the Twins race. After Saturdays fandango with the novice pack, I
mentioned to the race officials that perhaps they should do something.
Race officials rightly decided to put the Twins grid in front of the
novice grid on Sunday and I was able to get a hole shot and lead the
first lap. The aforementioned local passed me on the second lap and I
let him go, and held onto second until I hit some backmarkers and was
dropped to third briefly by Tom Benidict the man second in the Regional
points. I took back second by blasting by him down the back straight
and thats how I finished. If I had won, the Regional title would be
mine, as it is, I would have to score no points and Tom would have to
win at Summit next weekend for him to take the title. I have many
friends that will see to it that he doesn't win should I DNF.


mtiberio@bbn.com
From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:51:08 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <10692@wrgate.wr.tek.com>, davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
> In article <51267@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
> >
> >I doubt you will raise many eyebrows unless your bike is illegal. I have
> >raced in about 5 of AHRMA's 750 Gp races, 3 times on an 850 and twice
> >on a 1000 Guzzi and was never able to best Team Obsolete. After finally
> Hey Mike,
> How'd you get that Goose past AHRMA tech?  Pre '72 and <750cc's, you're
> too new and too big.

Well you can't tell from the outside how big a Guzzi is. I could build
a 700 to 1100 and you couldn't see any external difference. Plus with
the overbore rule written the way it is (twins are allowed .060 over)
I could run a 775 and be legal for 750 classes. You see the way they
worded the rule book is to say that when I bike is measured for size,
they measure the stroke and bore then subtract .060" (for twins) from the
bore then calculate the displacement. This is only mentioned in one 
place in the rule book and is not widely known as the process used. No
doubt some lawyer type like Ianucci put it there. The overbore for singles
is .080 and for multis is .040, no doubt those that seem to have a lock
on their class know this.

AHRMA doesn't have an explicit 72 cutoff (or at least they didn't),
however the 1972-74 V-7 Sport is explicitly legal, and by the like
design clause any guzzi frame up till 1983 is identical except for
brackets (72 thru 92 is identical except for a longer steering head
introduced in 1984) and they continued to offer the round fin guzzi
motor up till 1983 as well. The square fin guzzi motors may be legal
(they are for WERA vintage) for AHRMA as they only differ in fin shape
and have a wider stud pattern (have a larger maximum bore), but
otherwise fall within the like design clause.  Presently on my Pro
Twins Bike (which is also WERA Vintage 5 legal) I run a round fin motor
and have a frame from a 1974 850-T which was identical to a 1972 V-7
Sport Frame. Sometimes I run a 86 Lemans 4 swing arm when I want its
longer wheelbase and that swing arm is still offered on the 92's, and
it fits the 74 frame with no mods, see what I mean by like design. I
run round slide dell ortos with no pumpers, and when I used to run
ahrma, I would mount narrow (3" max rear) wheels, non remote reservoir
shocks and non floating rotors.  With WERA Vintage 5 I could run mikuni
flat slides and 4 piston calipers (but don't) and do run a 3.5"x17"
astralite front, a 4"x18" astralite rear, 300mm brembo gold line
floating rotors, etc.  However in WERA Vintage 5 I run against (and
regularly beat) 1100cc GS1000 Suzukis, 1100cc KZ1000's.  Nothing is
more fun than riding around the outside of one of those big japanese
pig bikes.


mtiberio@bbn.com
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