From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:07:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct8.191711.21616
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct8.125329.25691@inmos.co.uk>, jpk@freddy.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Kirkwood) writes...
> 
>	Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about doing a
>4 ball half-shower. Several people suggested doing simultaneous crosses
>as an aid to getting this going. I can actually do this - just about - and 
>I guess it is useful practise, but it is not the same trick really. Some
>people suggested that this was essentially the same the half shower, and that
>if you start to un-synchronise the hands a bit it becomes identical. 
> 
>Now perhaps there is a terminology clash here, but surely simultaneous crosses
>is really just siteswap 4 done synchronously, however much you fiddle with 
>the heights and timing of the hands. A genuine half shower is 53 and is quite
>different - there are more balls in the air at a time for a start. 
> 
>Somebody (miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)) mentioned that to do 
>this trick with clubs you have to do triples with one hand and singles from 
>the other. This shows how different the two patterns are, and also confirms
>the view of many responders that the important thing with this trick is to 
>get the high throws really a lot higher than the low ones!
> 
>While we're on the subject, is there any distinction between a "half shower"
>and a "false shower" ? I noticed there were two separate records for these
>two descriptions in the recent records posting ...
> 
> 
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First, the trick I mentioned with triples and singles (4 clubs) is *NOT*
something I intuitively(sp?) think of as a "half-shower". Maybe others do, but
I just call it a "triple-single" pattern and leave it at that.

Now, in answer to your new question, there is a definite difference between a
half shower and a "false shower".  The way I understand it, a "false shower" is
basically half of Mill's Mess.  The balls appear to be cirling around in one
direction, but really it's a siteswap "3" with your arms moving the balls
around, one arm crossing over the other, uncrossing, and the same arm crossing
over again (where as in Mill's Mess, each arm has a chance to cross over and
under the other arm).  Yes, another trick that I can't describe perfectly in
words.... Anyway, it's *not* a half shower.

Back to the original question of half showers:  a 3 ball half shower is (in my
mind) still basically a "3" (not a "53"), though the throws from one hand go
slightly higher than the throws of the other hand.  Can we agree on this point
first, and then start talking about 4 balls again with a better grasp of
terminology?

--BAM
Brian A. Miller
miller@quiver.enet.dec.com
(also known as bnm3550@cs.rit.edu)
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