HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markp@ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: MY CATS HATE EACH OTHER,  HELP!!!!!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:41:47 GMT
Organization: Ziff-Davis, Medford MA

Greetings!

I have a problem.  Or, should I say my cats have a problem, they don't
play well with each other.  I live in a medium sized two bedroom apart-
ment, and have 4 cats (along with a fiance).  Her two, 1 male (Bam Bam)
and 1 female (Pebbles, you knew that was coming) are 3 1/2 and from the
same litter, and my two, both females, are 3 and both from another litter.

They've all been together for about 2 1/2 years with out any real problems.
Pebbles and Bam Bam were fixed when they were 6 months old, my two weren't
fixed until this past January.  Things were fine even for a couple of months
after that, but starting around the end of March, Pebbles was seemingly
under attack by one of my cats, Bear (all black), and was forced to spend
most of her day behind a bookcase hiding.

We caught Pebbles 'doing her business' anywhere but the litter box.  After
taking her to the animal hospital, we were told Pebbles had a classic case
of FUS.  We put her on medication, and better (Iams) food.  She seems totally
fine after the medication, but still was under attack from Bear.  On the
vet's suggestion, we separated the two of them, keeping Pebbles in our
bedroom with her own litter box, food dish, and water.  Her brother, Bammy,
comes in to visit every day, but the other two are not allowed in the
bedroom anymore.  Pebbles seems very happy, but gets nervous being shut
in the room for long periods of time.

Pebbles and Bear have been separated now for about 6 weeks.  Bear will
occasionally run in when one of us is going in or out of the bedroom, and
immediately chases Pebbles around the room.  Separating them hasn't helped
at all.  I'm looking for any suggestions or advice that may help them be
more friendly, or at least tolerate each other.  All four cats are very
friendly towards people, and both my females get along fine with Bammy.

My other female, Callie (Calico, duh) can at least sit on the same couch
with Pebbles.  They don't really like each other, but they tolerate each
other.  That's all I want for Bear to able to do, just tolerate instead
of kill.  Giving any of them up is not an option, they're all family.

If anyone has any RATIONAL ideas please email me at markp@zis.ziff.com.

Thanks,

Mark Poole			Ziff Information Services, Medford MA


Disclaimer:  My cat problems don't necessarily reflect my company's cat
             problems, any similarities are purely coincidental.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ccd@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Carol C Denehy)
Subject: Re: I hope no one else has done this!
Organization: None, and I like it like that
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:38:16 GMT

In article <21JUL199216510142@watson.bms.com> rivkin@watson.bms.com (Teresa Rivkin) writes:
>Our boy cat, Arpeggio, also loves to hang out inside bags.  He goes inside the 
>bag and moves around and his sister jumps all over him.  This keeps both of 
>them amused for quite awhile.  However, we only allow him to play in big PAPER 
>bags without handles specifically because of what the first article posted 
>talked about.  We sure wouldn't want to come home someday to find a strangled, 
>asphyxiated kitty!
>
>Terri Rivkin
>Bristol-Myers Squibb
>Rivkin@bms.com

You folks are going to be very tired of hearing about Penny, but...
Brown paper grocery bags are unknown here in Australia, and we all
know how much cats love them so I imported a few. Penny likes hiding
in them and scrunching on top since they make such satisfying noises.
She also likes plastic bags but I am very careful to watch her when
she gets in them.

Carol Denehy
From: mprats@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mario Prats)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Spaying Siamese cat
Date: 24 Jul 1992 15:18:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Loud Siamese Meows

In article <1992Jul23.163718.17096@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:
>Our Siamese Merlin (a male) has been known
>to hold loud "yowl fests" in our bathroom (best accoustics).
>The worst problem we had with this since kittenhood was when he had
>hyperthyroid. Now that he has had 2 thyroid glands removed, things
>are back to (better than) normal. Now we just get the occassional
>"hey, foolish humans, something annoys|pleases|offends|disturbs|evades|bores
>me and I just gotta *share* my feelings with you" speech.

Yes, Monti does the same, especially when I am busy having dinner and not
playing with her :
she goes to my bedroom and meows as loud as she
can, sounding like a nasty tomcat.  As soon as I rush into the bedroom she
gives me this little sweet "meow?".
She also meows super loud when I turn on the vaccume cleaner, as if she
were mad at me for making all that noise.
All this is a nice contrast to my other cat, Murphy, a 3-mo. old red tabby
whose meow is super faint and delicate. I am glad I did not get two
Siamese cats, otherwise I would be deaf (and on Valium) by now!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: pandit@ssd.intel.com (Milind Pandit,,,)
Subject: Re: I want a cat...
Reply-To: pandit@ssd.intel.com
Organization: SSD Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:53:58 GMT

In article @engin.umich.edu, smbelcas@med.umich.edu (Sarah Marie Belcastro) writes:
>
>Hello!  I'm looking for a cat.  Specifics:
>
>-- I'm in Ann Arbor, MI. (but i can take cats within a small radius of Dubuque,
>Iowa as well.)
>-- I can't have the cat before the 28th of August, though i might be able to
>	con one of my friends into housing it for a week or so before that.
>-- I would like the following characteristics, though i'm flexible...
>	-- adult cat (with shots, obviously)
>	-- grey tabby or black tabby (black, grey, and brownish varieties of
>		cats are my next favorites)
>	-- shorthaired
>	-- female
>	-- spayed
>	-- front declawed (though i'd never do it to a cat myself)
>	-- green eyes
>

Go to the Humane Society.  It's down Plymouth road.  See if you find one you like 
there.  Otherwise, tell the workers your preferences, and they'll call you if they get 
something you might like.

---
|  Milind S. Pandit                           |  Standard disclaimers apply.  |
|  pandit@iwarp.intel.com                     |-------------------------------|
|  Operating Systems Engineer, iWarp Program  |   Who knows what evil lurks   |
|  Intel Corp., Beaverton, OR                 |     in the hearts of men?     |

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: draper@gnd1.wtp.contel.com (PAM DRAPER)
Subject: blocked tear ducts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: draper@gnd1.wtp.contel.com
Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA
Distribution:  usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:49:03 GMT

Does anyone know of a home treatment for blocked tear ducts.  My mother's
12 year old persian has been having excessive tearing (way more than
usual).  At the vet, to clear the ducts they put the animal under
anesthesia.  We believe she is too old and delicate for this.

If anyone knows of home remedies, we would certainly be glad to hear from
you.



Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: sammy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Sammy)
Subject: Odd Behavior - 14 Year Old Cat Isolating
Organization: The Comp Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:26:02 GMT


My cat is about 14 years old, and for the past couple of weeks,
she has been acting very strange. She sometimes disappears for
a day or two, but when I noticed she wasn't eating or using her
litter box and I hadn't seen her in a couple of days, I got 
worried and finally found her under a chest of drawers in my 
closet. I was able to coax her out, and got her to eat by 
giving her some cooked brown rice thinned with water and a
little honey/sugar, and hand feeding her until she was willing
to eat it herself. I continued to feed her this way for a few
days, adding cat food (she eats dry) gradually. 

I've been carrying her downstairs to her litter box, and she is
now willing to use it, but when she is finished, runs back upstairs.
I don't believe she ever leaves the upstairs portion of the house
now, and although she now will come out once in awhile, clean 
herself, and sit around, she still spends a most of her time under
the bureau. 

Now that she is eating again, her stools seem to be ok and she
is urinating. She seems to be afraid.

Is this behavior unusual for a cat her age?

-- 
Sammy=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The enemy of women...is not men, just as the enemy of blacks is not whites.
The enemy is "the tyranny of the dull mind." Carol S. Pearson, _The Hero Within_ 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Baker and Taylor books
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:25:05 GMT
Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Universite de Montreal

moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert) writes:

>I've recently discovered some organization that has two Scottish Folds as
>their mascots named Baker and Taylor. One of the Librarians referred to this
>company as a "book jobber" which apparently is a supplier for libraries. 

>Anyway, has anyone heard of Baker and Taylor? Which one is which? Is there
>and address I can write to and get Baker and Taylor posters and such?

>These folds are really adorable. I've been wanting one myself but there aren't
>too many around here.

I used to work for a university bookstore that stocked regular books as well
and Baker and Taylor is one of the major book distributors.  Alot of the
bookstore chains (like Walden Books, B. Dalton, etc.) use Baker and Taylor
to order their books.  So what you might want to try is to stop by one of
these bookstores and see if you can get their address, or better yet, see if 
those posters are available to order through the bookstore.  The bookstore
SHOULD have a set of microfiche from Baker and Taylor listing what is avail-
able and the retail price for it.

I hope this helps! :)


Eva
bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu

(ignore the following .sig)
--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: what do you think?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <anne.712340494@menaik> anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
>sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles) writes:
>>You know that cute little thing that kitty's do with their paws -n-
>>claws when they are content? I have refered to it (since a little girl)
>>as "makin' muffin's", and I have heard it called, "kneading bread"
>>and "that-happy-cat-thing". Any others?
>
>My mother (the pianist) called it "playing the piano".

My mother (the farmer's daughter) calls it "treading money". No idea why.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: cat toys ideas
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:20:39 GMT

In article <3518@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
  rm55+@pitt.edu (Rudolph T Maceyko) writes:
>The Destroyer routinely drags around her favorite item: an old "Cat Dancer"
>with and old collar attached to one end!

Yup.  Only with mine, it's his *current* collar that is the toy.  I'm a
little concerned.  He seems to have acquired the knack of taking his collar
off himself.  I've put it on about as tightly as comfort and health would
indicate, and still it comes off.  I've seen him working on it, and there
is nothing frantic about it.  Just him sitting there tugging on the tag and
buckle assembly with his front paw.  And trying to bite it as best he can.
I image that eventually he must get a claw into the soft material of the
collar near the buckle.  With enough patience, he seems to be able to take
it off about as well as a human can.  I imagine that I'll have to sew the
collar on with a bit of wire or something.  The funny thing is that he now
regards his collar as a toy.  I found him this morning with his collar in
his front paws, off, chewing on the tag.  *sigh*  (It was kind of cute,
though. ;)

-- 
| Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu)                      |        USPA B-14993
| New Mexico Tech / National Radio Astronomy Observatory |            DoD #387
| P.O. Box O / Socorro, NM 87801   (505) 835-7391        |
Support the League for Programming Freedom  (info from league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: blocked tear ducts
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:47:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.193131.16893@ast.saic.com>, hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler) writes:

|> I'm not aware of any home remedies, but 10 years ago my then 2 year old
|> was diagnosed with this (kinda neat, they put some sort of florescent drops
|> in his eyes and then turned on a special light...sure enough the drops dripped
|> out of his eyes and not out his nose like they should have).
|> 
|> Anyway, the vet described the procedure and then went on to say that it
|> was only successful about 50% of the time and some of the successful ones
|> ended up re-blocking.  He also said that the only real problem for the cat
|> was appearence.  If I was willing to clear away the goop around the
|> edges of his eyes on a daily basis that would be all that was really 
|> necessary.  He personally did not recommend the surgery (at least for
|> my cat).

I have 2 persians.  The first time the whittish ooze came out of Bianca's
eye, I took her to the vet.  The first thing he did was put the tint in her eyes and then he turned the flourescent light on to check and see if she had
any scratches in her eye.  And since they found none, we were given an
ointment to put on 2x daily for 10 days to help the irritation of the hairs
that poke her eye.  

Because she is a persian, she doesn't have the bridge on her nose to help
protect her eyes, so a lot of hair irritates her eyes causing the ooze.
So, to help her out, I have to clean her eyes with a wet cotton ball every
morning.  Now, Bianca's a much happier kitty.

-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
From: KARENK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: kitty fences
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:16:20 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I was SO proud of myself (IMHO!!) when I figured out a way to "fence in" my
Siamese, Sam!  Of course, Sam is not among the Olympic high jumpers, so what
I was able to do might not work for all cats...

I have a wood fence on two sides of the back of my condo, and the third side
is the garage (the fourth side being the back of the condo.)  Anyway, Sam is
NOT a good jumper, but if a cat dared to walk along the top of the garage, and
look down on Sam, it would be just enough to get his adreneline pumping, and
he could make the fence, go after the other cat, and most usually get in a
fight.  And because he went over the garage, he would have no idea where he
was or how to get back (he's 99% house cat, except for these excursions over
the garage and into the wilds...)

But I digress...to my fence...it is a wood fence, about six feet high.  Sam
could, with adreneline, reach the support beam about a foot from the top, and
then pull himself up the rest of the way.  I bought about 15-20 feet of that
hard, wavy plastic (it often comes in green, and is used as "roofing" on some
patios).  I then cut it in about 2x2 foot squares, attached it "decoratively"
(nailed it) to the support beam with the "waves" going side ways...and when
Sam goes to take a flying leap, he hits the plastic, has nothing to get his
claws in, and slides down!!!  You can't imagine how good I felt the first time
I saw him slide down!  He of course was mad as hell, but this way, he at least
can play in the fresh air when I am home, and can't get out, into fights, and
then have to make a trek to the vet's to patch him up.  I even found the
plastic in brown, so it blends in well with the fence, and doesn't look too
obvious.  I had thought of trying something with chicken wire too, but this
seems much safer.

As I said, MOST cats could reach the top of the fence standing at the bottom
of the fence and jumping straight up...but Sam isn't like MOST cats...(no golds
at the Olypics for my cat!!)

Hope this helps...good luck!

Karen Kruger
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Re: Kitty Rituals
Reply-To: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:24:10 GMT


>, crb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ruth) writes:
> 
> Yes, yes, yes - where can I get this stuff??!!! Does anyone know if 
> you can get it mail order (from USA to England)?  How would I go about
> it - I've tried everywhere here and can't find anything remotely like
> it!!!!  All help much appreciated (by me and the three monsters at home).
> 
> Roo

I know my uncle in Germany gives it to his cats.  He's associated with
the airforce, tho' so he may have gotten it from the base PX.  The
stuff has made it overseas.  Good luck in your quest!

	Ann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg)
Subject: Re: Help-Kitten chews wire 
Summary: put some bad-tasting-to-cats substance on the wires
Keywords: cat wire cord electricity chew shock injure harm
Organization: U of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:39:48 GMT

In article <keR40Pi00WBME37Ksy@andrew.cmu.edu> "Kathleen P. Kowalski"
<kk00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Can anyone tell me how to stop my little Taz from chewing on electrical
>wires, the phone cord and the tv cable?  He's only 16 weeks old, so he
>might be teething (don't cats get their permanent teeth around this
>age?)  Any ideas would be appreciated.  The squirt gun works fine while
>I'm there to supervise, but I want to eventually be able to let him roam
>the house while I'm gone.  Will he outgrow this?

Don't wait for the *chance* that he'll outgrow this.  He could easily
have a "shocking experience" in the meantime.  The way to cure him of
the habit is to put some foul-tasting-to-cats substance on the wires.
I have heard tobasco sauce suggested, I believe the FAQ also mentions
a couple of special commercial products.

Good luck,

- Jonathan Thornburg and Mortina II (alas 4000km away on an island in Canada)
  <jonathan@einstein.ph.utexas.edu> or <jonathan@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu>
  University of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
  and (for a few more months) U of British Columbia / {Astronomy,Physics}
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson)
Subject: Re: Cats and Leather Furniture
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:40:50 GMT

drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel) writes:

>I have two female cats about 5 years old.  Each has had
>its front claws removed but their back claws are intact.
>Both cats are exclusively indoor dwellers.

>I am considering the purchase of a leather sofa but I
>am concerned that the cats will put holes in the leather.
>Does anyone out there have cats and leather furniture? 

No, but I once left my cat to a catsitter who had a leather sofa.

>What effect do they have on the leather, assuming they
>jump on and off the furniture regularly and sleep on it,
>oh, as much as cats generally sleep?

My cat obviously thought that the leather sofa was his new litter box.
We thought it might be because of the smell of the leather. As he
behaved normally apart from using the sofa as a litter box, we didn't
think it was his way of telling the catsitter he didn't like him. So,
my experience is BAD. Come to think of it, I've never seen a leather
sofa in any cat home I've been to. But maybe it's just that I don't
have a lot of friends who can afford one.

--Ceci

--
=====ceci@lysator.liu.se===========================================
"Convictions cause convicts." First catma of Discordianism
"But don't let that become a conviction!" Ceci's lemma
===================================================================
From: maxwell@venice.sedd.trw.com (Debra Maxwell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: RE: Should I give one away?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:40:37 GMT
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA


I currently live in a bachelor apt. that is
slightly larger than average.  I am owned by
three (3) kitties the oldest being 1 year and
the youngest being 4 months.  They don't have
any problem with this arrangement.  They love
the home I rent for them.  They are completely
indoor cats.  They have many toys, but I think
what they enjoy most is each other.  They need
each other when I'm gone during the day.  They
get plenty of exercise bouncing off the walls,
and each other.  I've found that as long as
I keep the litter box scooped daily and 
change the litter once a week ( I don't use
the scooping kind, they drag it all over
the house and it smells like ammonia once
they have urinated in it ) I have no smelly
problems at all.  I also purchased a covered
litter box with a changeble charcol filter, It
works great.  We all get along great, I wouldn't
give my cats up for the world and I hope you
decide not to.

Debi & Squirt, Squeak and Scooter
From: Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Test
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:21:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb2lobby.ebay.sun.com

Keywords: 

This is just a test, please ignore!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Subject: Re: Fur Mouse, was Re: What IS it with Q-tips?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:31:18 GMT

In article <geOmPHO00WBK456J02@andrew.cmu.edu> Diane Gibson <dg0q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>
>>The only toy that Boopsie keeps coming back to is the real-fur mouse
>>which squeeks when you squeeze it.  Many others on this group have
>>recommended these, and I heartily add mine.  Boop grooms it, fights
>>it, picks it up and runs around with it...  still, after almost a month!
>
>I followed the fur mouse suggestion from this group as well, and after
>about 2.5 months, Suki is still playing with it.  However, her favorite
>game it to bat it under the sofa (which sits in the middle of the room
>on hardwood floor), then run around to the other side and see if she can
>get it.  If she can't, it's "Meow" (Hey, Diane, time to get the mouse
>out for me!)  I now keep the yardstick under the sofa for fast
>retrievals -- she's got ME trained!!!!
>
>Diane and Suki
>Carnegie Mellon University
>Pittsburgh, PA
>

For those of us who missed the previous
post, what is the brand name of the fur
mouse you are describing.  It sounds great.
Is it from a grocery store or a pet store?
I want one!!

-Craig


-- 
--------------------
Craig Hyatt
NCSU@Raleigh, NC USA
echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu
--------------------
From: axvlj@acad2.alaska.edu (Valerie Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Maine coon associations
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:38:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Alaska Anchorage

In article <1992Jul29.194532.24315@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
> 
> 
> Here are two Maine Coon cat organizations:
> 
> Maine Coon Breeders and Fanciers Association
> 2669 Skeel St.
> Brighton, CO  80601
> 

MCBFA asks that you send $1 with your request to help cover costs of postage
and copying.  They also put out a newsletter that you can subscribe to.

Valerie 
& the Maine Coon Crew: Smidget, Misty, Tasha, & Toklat


> Maine Coon Club
> 35 Atlantic Rd.
> Gloucester, MA  01930
> 
> 
> They are most likely small groups with limited budgets.   To be courteous I
> suggest you send a SASE or a stamp if you write for information.  Thanks.
> 
> **