HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Reply-To: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.185550.19506@ra.oc.com>, karim@hp835.mitek.com (Karim Sharif) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.084809.817@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>>>
>>>So if you are interested, please post a short message to SCI
>>
>>I vote in favor of KH summaries.    
>
> I also vote in favor of KH summaries, as long the good and the bad is
> summarized.
>
>>
>>> - Farzin
>>
>>    --mack
>>
>>--

Count me too.

/mehdi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati)
Subject: Re: BE YOURSELF
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 17:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.193307.24228@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu (Navid Badie) writes:
>scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>
>: RAMIN DOWLATI why you keep sending these files back?
>: You are like a monkey (MAYMOON) repeating whatever the people say or write
>: try to be yourself RAMIN.
>: 
>: M.G.
>: ISLAMIC UNITY GROUP
>
>Since Ramin is away from the office for a couple of days, allow me to
>explain:
>
>Ramin is new to 'rn' and had some difficulty with posting followups. 
>This difficulty was compounded by erratic behaviour of our network
>software over the past couple of weeks, and as a result, Ramin ended
>up posting several followups before he had a chance to add his own
>comments to them.
>
>All problems have now been cleared up, and Ramin's future postings
>should be problem-free. Meanwhile, please refrain from hurling any
>further abuse at him.
>
>Oh, by the way, thanks for translating "monkey" for us. It gives an
>extra touch of class to an already well tuned and balanced posting.
>
>
>Navid Badie
>ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu
>
	Thanks
	-Ramin
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <BtB5I1.168@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>
>>Oh BTW, in case you want to know I am a Sunni Muslim, I am from ahl-i-sunna
>								############
>>wa jama'ah.
>################
>
>
>Do you mean you are a member of Jamaa'at Da'vaa va Tabligh?
>
>>zafar
>
>Ala

no, ahl-i-sunna wa jama'ah is the long form for calling someone a sunni muslim.
it is the same thing.

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: koohi@crchh46.BNR.CA (Shane Koohi)
Subject: Re: Language and swearing...
Reply-To: koohi@crchh46.BNR.CA (Shane Koohi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:57:29 GMT

In article <massoud.32@chemteca.sdsu.edu>, massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu
(Massoud Ajami) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug10.175943.27886@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter
Capell) writes:
|>
|>
|>>10-Aug-92 16:13        massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami):
|>
|>>I have not yet found anyone who can tell me the proper use of "ra" as in:
|>
|>>               |,  (re alef)
|>
|>>Even my farsi teacher can't tell me.  ...just like I can't tell Nahid
when to
|>>use "the" or not.  The number of places and exceptions is numerous. 
Any hints
|>>anybody?
|>
|>Peter:
|>
|>Just wanted to say that your concern and correction is deeply
|>appreciated, and I believe everyone on this net would be agreed
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          Should say "would agree" not would be agreed...

|>with me. It was and is my long expectation from my American friends
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          Sorry but I'm a friendly Iranian

|>that "please correct me while you are trying to understand me".
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          Ask and you shall receive :)

|>There are not many people that would put their time to do such a
|>thing, but it should be understandable that in the heat of ...

I deleted the rest, but I should say that I loved your explanation
of "THE" in english language. Good job...

Thanks, Shane


                                     
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7300 soc.culture.afghanistan:874
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: baghdad is an iranian city
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:21:33 GMT
	<massoud.41@chemteca.sdsu.edu>
Organization: none

In article <massoud.41@chemteca.sdsu.edu> massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:

 @I thought about it, and turned out that the credit should be given when it 
 @is due. The light bulbe would be invented eventually, if it was not Edison, 
 @it would be someone else, Eupopean would have learned how to add numbers if 
 @KhArazmy (Muhammad Al-Khoarasmi, the name which is converted to ALGORISM; 
 @from original to French, then to English. Britanica encyclopedia) would not 
 @introduce his book "Algabr and Moghabeleh" to them. (in fact I did not hear 
 @any news that U.S. sent any thank you note to the people of Iraq for helping 
 @them calculate the trajectory of their bombs. (khArazmy was born in todays 
 @Iraq)). And finally, railroads, mailing system, and one way street would 
 @have been invented if Persians wouldn't have done them 2500 years ago! 

KhArazmy was born in KhArazm to the north of present-day Iran.
   
 - Farzin
     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:19:54 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.150252.21668@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:

>One again, the US gov. has unwillingly and substantially
>helped the Iranian gov. By placing these "opposition"
>groups on their payroll, they have effectively destroyed
>any credibility they may have had. It's a strange world!
>                             

It will be even stranger when one day list of IRI officials
who are on CIA payroll comes out.  Already there has been
documents that CIA has been trying very hard to reach the
akhonds in Iran in different ways (for example some of the
U.S. documents siezed in the U.S. embassy in Tehran indicate
that CIA provided funds for some relatively high ranking
rouhaanis in Iran to help them move up the rank so that one
day they can serve the service).


>Well, as long as the US gov. feels like wasting its money ...
>                                          
I do not think so.
It pays off some day.
It does.
Just wait.


>It's amazing how many of the hostile actions they have taken
>against Iran have actually backfired against them! 

And how many which DID NOT.
Look what they did to Iran's economy.
Look how they isolated us to the point of complete seclusion.
Look how they deprived ME and YOU and OTHERS from serving our country.
>  
>How does one explain it?

EMDAADE GHEYBI of course!  What else.

>                           
> - Farzin
>            
Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: euaamt@eua.ericsson.se (Amir.Taheri)
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:10:20 GMT

Hi guys & girls out there!
 I started reading the articles in this group for only a month and half
ago. Dont ask me the dates because I might become confused about the
date 91, 90, 92 ? (like the other guy). Living in Sweden you just know 
if it is winter or summer that is equal with day or night which is in 
its turn equal with fun or boring time, = with  happy good looking
people out side or ugly, angry people .... A friend just went to serve 
in swedish army for six month and he was complaining all the time. All
I told him was that he should'nt be so much worried because he will 
serve one and one only night!!!! when he is back it is morning=summer
=light again.
 Any way we have another persian guy here at our company called Mehrzad
I call him "Late mahal" he was the one who told me there was such a 
group. He also advised me not to read any article because then I will 
go on reading them all the day. I should listen to him at least my 
supervisor thinks so!!
Have a nice time every body and let me know more about how Spain and 
Iran splitted, How Irish people changed their original persian look (s-
urgury by Micheal Jackson's Dr.?), Should we read translation of Keyhan
Havaii or if not what about Keyhan Zamini, .....


Amir.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.turkish
From: rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Social Problems in Iran...
Summary: what are they?
Keywords: religion, politics, social problems
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug19.191921.17548
Followup-To: rorem@lclark.edu
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

howdy all,

this question is not meant to offend anyone.  my girlfriend and i got into
an arguement last night about the republican convention.  she said that the 
government should be more involved in the morality of a country.  that's
why she likes all of the "God talk" that the republicans have been doing.
i don't think that the government should subscribe to any one religous 
philosophy.  she also believes that Iran under its Moslem government is a 
much more moral (by Moslem standards) country than the US.

MY QUESTION:
is this true?


personal opinions would be nice, but what we're really looking for are
possible stats on drug abuse, promiscuity, AIDS in Iran.

once again, i'm not doing this to try to bash Iran.  no matter what's going
on there i'm sure we can match it in at least one of our great states in 
this country.  if you want, please send references to the same problems
in america, but i figure i can find those easier myself.  :)

REPLY THRU E-MAIL PLEASE.  i have a feeling that this could spark a flame 
war and all i want are a few facts to consider.

thanks for your time,

eric

rorem@lclark.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Republican convention
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:10:35 GMT


>I was just wondering if any of you guys watched Republican National
>convention last night, I Liked Patrick Buchanan speech the best. He sounded
>like a good christian; I really wish he was running for republican instead
>of Bush. It's only a matter of time before american people wake up and
>smell the roses. We will get no where without faith and religion.

>Sincerely yours;

>Ali Eslami

Ali Eslami turned out to be a Buchanan supporter. Is not this funny.
Do you go to the healing sessions of Jimmy Swagger too. He may heal 
your mind Ali. He is a fine christian. I think when Dajal will appear
you will be the first to be fooled.

                                             Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Netters and Utah
Keywords: entropy, metal hydrides
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:53:35 GMT


Yesterday, a netter wrote:
>
>After all, at least for me United States has became a second home, and no
>mater what happen in future it is hard to totally erase it from my memory.
>The feeling is like liking your mother's house as well as you own house.
>I personally love my mother land as well as I like the US.

And today the same netter under a different subject added:
>
>...Even though, the only place which is special to me is Iran;
>not any state of the United States. I do not have any special feeling
>about any state of United States.

So, which one is it?    :-)

Further on, the same netter said:

>Regarding Utah, the good point is, they have nice looking girls,
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is your neighbor's grass greener too?    :-)

If that's the only good point about Utah that you can think of, it
goes on to show how little you know about the state.

>the bad point is, it is a desert.

a)  Why is this a bad point?
b)  That's why the Utahns are lobbying so hard to bring Winter
    Olympics to Utah, right? Ever been to Snowbird? Park City? ... I
    am not suggesting that there are no deserts in Utah, most of the
    state in fact consists of dry, warm desert areas. But give credit
    where it's due. A large portion of Utah lies in the rockies that
    is anything but desert.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

OblCulture:

    Here's a poem by (I forget who) that might be relavent to this
    scenario:

            Ab dar koozeh o mA teshneh labAn mee-gardeem
                    yAr dar khAneh o mA gerd e jahAn mee-gardeem

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: IRAQ and IRAN
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:43:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: IRAN in FARSI = IRAQ in ARABIC ???
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:10:05 GMT

|>I don't know what Iraq is in Arabic , but Iran = Land of the Aryans,
|and this leads me to believe that the names Iran and Iraq are
|unrelated, not to mention the fact that Iran is spelled with an "alef"
|and Iraq, pronounced "Aragh", is spelled with an "ain". Also, while
|Iran has been in existance for around 2500 years, Iraq is a 20th
|century British creation, after WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire
|to be exact.
|
|I hope this has helped.
|
|
|Payandeh Baad Iran
|Alireza
---
Mr Zafar write:

Iraq and Iran might not be the same country, but Iraqis and Iranis are 
ethnically the same (very similar) people. One form of similarity is the way
of speaking. The way an Iraqi would speak Arabic is very similar to the way an
Iranian would, kind of like speaking Arabic with a Persian accent. There are 
many expressions that are direct translations into Arabic from Farsi (Don't
know any off hand). The type of Arabic that Iraqis speak has many words of 
Farsi origin as compared to the spoken Arabic of other countries. Also the
food of Iraqis is similar to that of Central and Western Iran. I guess you 
could say that Iraqis are Persians who took on the language and the mores of 
the Arabs, Persians who became Arabized.

zafar
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is very true.
The Iraqis use the letter (CH'i) like in CHAY (tea) and this letter does
not exist in the ABRABIC ALPHBET. There are so many expressions we use
like KHOB, BALLI, AGA sometimes we say agati to other person for respect.
I remember back in the 1960s and 1970s we use to buy and sell
with the Iraqi Dinar and with the Toman especially in Kazomain, Najaf and
Karbala, and the majority of the prople use to speak both languages.
I am sure that all the Iraqis (the real Iraqis, because Saddam brought millions
of Palestinians, Sudanese and Egyption and gave them Iraqi nationality to 
replace the Iraqi people who he deported from Iraq estimated about 5 Millions)
Will be proud to be part of I.R.Iran under the role of ISLAM, and one day
INSHAALLAH THE UNITY WILL EXIST.


M.G
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: IRAQ and IRAN
Reply-To: saleham@right.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:28:59 GMT


scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
 
> This is very true.
> The Iraqis use the letter (CH'i) like in CHAY (tea) and this letter does
> not exist in the ABRABIC ALPHBET. There are so many expressions we use

  No. In south Arabia the letter Chi did exist. Also the letter chi is used
  in Jordan, Palestine and other Arab countries that fall under the British.

> like KHOB, BALLI, AGA sometimes we say agati to other person for respect.
> I remember back in the 1960s and 1970s we use to buy and sell
> with the Iraqi Dinar and with the Toman especially in Kazomain, Najaf and

  So what? Iranians fight hard to buy ,God bless the USA Dollar.
  Does this mean that Americans are Persians.

> Karbala, and the majority of the prople use to speak both languages.

  Also Iranian do speak English. Are you looking for the day when Iran will
  unite with the USA?

> I am sure that all the Iraqis (the real Iraqis, because Saddam brought millions
> of Palestinians, Sudanese and Egyption and gave them Iraqi nationality to
> replace the Iraqi people who he deported from Iraq estimated about 5 Millions)

  What are you doing in Britain? The Lebanese won't foret those who brought
  the Revolutionary guards from Iran to Lebanon. Is Lebanon another part of
  Iran?

> Will be proud to be part of I.R.Iran under the role of ISLAM, and one day
> INSHAALLAH THE UNITY WILL EXIST.
>
 
  But not with Egypt? that was the message of your Imam Khomeini? To unite
  the Shi'a against the Sunni? against Palestinians , Egyptians and Sudanese?
  No wonder why he had to drink the *glass of poison*.

>
> M.G
> Cardiff, Wales, U.K.

 Check it out. Persians in Iran constitute 52% of the populations. The rest are
 Kurds, Assyrians, Turks, Arabs and so on.
  
  
 Anwar Saleh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:55:22 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>In article <BtDytv.MwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

> +> #Look what they did to Iran's economy.
> +>  
> +>Look what they did to their own economy!
> +
> +And how worse their economy would look if they had not taken the oil
> +for practically free.

>                   
>So a reduction in the price of oil would reduce US income! That
>is why Saudi Arabia recently supported a cutback in production
>to support prices. It could not have been without a nod from the
>Big Brother. Therefore I wouldn't worry about the US trying to
>pull prices down.

Once again you missed my point.

I was comparing the price of oil in 1978 to the current value of oil
and how IRI helped in the destruction of OPEC unity which was the major
factor in higher oil prices. The current oil prices are less than half
of what it used to be.  

Of course I do not expect you to show any interest in this issue as your 
interest is ONLY in responding to the issues that can help you look a winner!

ONCE AGAIN FARZIN YOU ARE A WINNER!
A BIG HURRAH FOR FARZIN THE WINNER!



 
>                                              
>  - Farzin Mokhtarian
>    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
>                    

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:02:21 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
>at sci.  When was the first time you subscribed to soc.culture.iranian
>newsgroup, and how did you learn about it?  Ok, that was two questions. :-)

>Anyone with a good story re this just to start a tread that _everyone_ could
>participate?  I hope even the silent majority will respond to this question.

>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 324-1055


>PS. Oh, yes, my first time was around October or November of last year (90).
						  %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Are you still in 91 Hooshyar?
Wake up, it is now 92.
Now tell us the truth, was it Nov. 90 or Nov. 91?

>I picked it up by pure luck when I was randomly browsing through thousands of 
>newsgroups.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:14:31 GMT


>And you were once again embarresd by the people of the country of your origin.
>All you need to do is to forget about Iran and its uncivilized and fanatic
>people change your name and citizenship (if you have not done so) and
>stop bothering yourself with sci.  This happens to people who
>try so much to understand the West (or better said immitating Westerners)
>that they forget their own culture/custom/religion.

>Kalaaghe omad raah raftan ro az kabk taghlid koneh
>raah raftane khodesh ro ham faraamoosh kard.

>Ala


Mr. Ala
Man rah raftanam ra zamane Shah yad greftam.
Yes I am Iranian Ala khan, it is not up to you to define who an Iranian is.
Are not the women arrested in the street in Iran Iranians? Does anybody
ask them
how they like to be? Iran has not been a closed country. Its Islamic
culture comes from outside and it is also Iranian now, no denying that.
But Iran is also influenced by west. Its old culture is very much
Hellenistic as also greeks are influenced by us. India, greek and Persia shared
many god and godesses (like Mithra),
Irans Mashrootiat was influenced by French revolution and 1905
uprising in Russia. Or was not Mashrotiat Iranian? Who says it is a crime
to learn from other people. Is not our presidency system, and our parliament
foriegn notions? What is Iranian is monarchy, do you want that since
it is Iranian. People
like Dehkhoda who wrote the first Iranian Encyclopedia got the Idea from
the french Encyclopedia. Every son of a bitch technic and even this
medium I use
come from the west. Your education, and much of your mixed up mind comes from
the west else you should have been in one or another Hojre in a bazar somewhere
in Iran playing with a Tasbih. And all this development comes as an
entirety. You
can not close your eyes and see only what you like to see. 
                                                Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Subject: Re: Fereydoon Farrokh-zaad's Murder
Reply-To: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:48:02 GMT

Ala writes:
>This program suspected that the death of FF and Bakhtiar and Rajavi may
                                                              ??????
>be the work of the government of Iraq since all these people had contacts
>with Iraq.

This is a news to me.  Has there been any attempt to kill Rajavi?  I have
not heard anything about it.


Regards;
Ramin Moshiri
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:02:08 GMT
	<2A87E3B7.29073@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <19212@drutx.ATT.COM>
	<1992Aug12.150042.20591@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: none



So far I have posted a couple of articles in which I summarized
the highlights of Kayhan Havaii. This should have given people
a taste of the kind of news it has. I like to continue ONLY IF
there is sufficient interest out there to justify the effort.
That is why I am asking people to let me know whether they are
interested in reading those summaries (that is all, you are
NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. If you are
not interested, please do not post a reply at all (negative
replies will be ignored anyway since those people can simply
skip to the next article). 
      
So, here we go ...
    
 - Farzin
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian