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From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: GNR Videos
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.024658.25889@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
> 
>  what's with the GNR video "November Rain"? Anyone ever heard of the story
>  it's based on? Can anyone make any sense out of the video? 


This has really been debated to death, but here are a few facts. (Jeez, maybe
I should make a GNR Video FAQ, given the fact that I have posted this at least
ten times.)

The story, "Without You," by Del James was never published. Del James is a
friend and musician friend of Axl's. (There is a picture of him inside the
Illusion I and II CD liner -- #10, with his arm around West Arkeen. They both
co-wrote "The Garden" with Axl.) Riki Rachtmann of Headbanger's Ball said he
talked to Del James and was told only that the story was about a "torrid love 
affair." Someone posted here that they heard on MTV that it was about a woman
who dies of AIDS, but I have not confirmed that.

Duff, in an MTV interview said this: "The next thing we're doing -- and I'm not
supposed to say too much about this because we've pretty much been sworn to
secrecy -- is a movie. Without giving too much away, it will be a documentary
and it will intertwine all of the videos we have done. Maybe people have 
noticed that our videos are kind of, um, well, *strange?* Well, all of your
questions will be answered in the movie."

Slash said: "These guys have been following us for more than a year and filming
everything. I pray for the poor dudes who have to edit it."

Gilby said: "I really don't think it will be like the Madonna video."

So the GNR schedule looks like this:

** 26 dates with Metallica until the end of September.

** Axl goes to court in mid-October. (Probably get fined and ordered to
   perform community service, like a free concert.)

** GNR to release the already recorded "Punk" sessions on an EP -- 
   five covers of punk rock songs, each picked by a band member. Spring 1993.

** A ROW -- rest-of-world -- Tour to Asia and the Pacific (Japan, Thailand,
   Australia, New Zealand, etc.) Summer 1993.

** Back to the states to help edit video for the movie, while at the same time
   compiling a bunch of jams and covers they recorded during tour sound checks
   for an interim EP release. Fall and Winter 1993.

** Next major album effort recorded. Spring 1994.

** Simultaneous album and movie release (?) Summer/Fall 1994.

By the way, if you are interested, check out the three-part Axl interview in
RIP Magazine. Axl is friends with Lonn Friend, RIP's managing editor, and he
has said on record that RIP is the only metal magazine he will talk to. Del
james recorded five hours of tape of conversations with Axl. The first part
has already been published, with two installments left to go.

-- Alex --





Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: rbenson@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: November Rain
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:49:44 GMT


Here's my 0.02 on November Rain.
 I don't think it has anything to do with his present relationship with
... I forget her name. Anyway... If you notice closely he seems to
be "in love" with the woman but she doesn't seem to love him. Axl said
that it's about unrequited love. If you've ever been in that situation
the video makes sense. Check out the funeral scene, she's cut in half by a
wedding cake knife. Interesting imagery. Then again maybe I read more into
it.
  He's marriage to Erin Everley only lasted about 9 months. I think it is
reflecting how that relationship was destroyed. It's quite possible that
he loved her and smothered her. Thus the imagery of death. He does seem very
remorseful towards the end. If you've ever heard his comments on Erin 
and the failure of that marriage, they are the same.
 Just my opinion.
I could be giving the guy to much credit.
 I like the older videos. At least you saw the band not just Axl, his ego
and his girlfriend!

Comments?

Ciao,
Jennifer
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: mepstein@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Not On Our Customer File)
Subject: Re: Violent Videos (was Megadeath and Public Enemy)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:35:11 GMT



I don't think it's is a black-white thing(though racism exists)
Public Enemy's video was portraying the assassination of an 
existing person or meant to be an exisiting person.  It was without a
doubt aimed at the Governor of Arizona, almost encouraging his assassination.
The Megadeth video does show assassination but it is more innocent and
does not appear to commend the assassination of George Bush.  The COC video
just is violent. I think if the PE vid(exactly the same video) with a different
song, not refferring to Arizona and it's non-celebration of MLK jr. 's birthday.
I don't think MTV itself is racist.  It had a lot of pressure not to play
the very controversial PE video but has had no controversey over the Megadeth video.

Just my $0.02 

mepstein@ic.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
Subject: Re: Mid-video MTV logo
From: ctuel@zeus.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:28:09 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo

lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) said...
|	Lately, while watching MTV, I've noticed that every so often, a small
|MTV logo will kind of wiggle into the lower left corner and disappear. Is this
|some kind of contest signal (look for the logo and phone in), or are they just
|doing this for the heck of it?

Distracting, isn't it?  It's for the same reason VH-1, Entertainment
Tonight, the CBS and NBC evening news, CNN, and many more put their
logos in the corner of the screen.  At least the stationary logos
aren't distracting once you get used to them.  MTV tries (IMHO too hard)
to be different, hence the dancing logo.

Someone want to post the name and address of MTV's president, so we
can write him letters about this?

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: uli@aida.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Subject: Re: Mid-video MTV logo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:10:16 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>	Lately, while watching MTV, I've noticed that every so often, a small
>MTV logo will kind of wiggle into the lower left corner and disappear. Is this
>some kind of contest signal (look for the logo and phone in), or are they just
>doing this for the heck of it?

Here in Europe every single TV station (including MTV Europe) has
a logo of theirs in one or the other corner. They are always permanent
and we have to live with that. This practise goes so far that the French
sender TV5 - they are re-sending other station's news - overlay the other
stations logo with their own one. This gets really distracting since if
others will do this, too, there will be a very big heap of logos and no
screen area left, because sometimes, after the tenth or so layer, you
want to use another part of the screen, just to be recognizable.

Uli
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor)
Subject: Re: Mid-video MTV logo
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:22:40 GMT

lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>	Lately, while watching MTV, I've noticed that every so often, a small
>MTV logo will kind of wiggle into the lower left corner and disappear. Is this
>some kind of contest signal (look for the logo and phone in), or are they just
>doing this for the heck of it?

	VH1 has had a logo in the corner for some time.  I am pretty sure
the reason is to prevent bootlegging of videos to show in clubs or to be
sold.  I think nightclubs are supposed to pay for videos (Rockamerica is
one of the major suppliers), and if someone (an MTV employee? An independently
hired inspector?) sees videos at a nightclub with the MTV logo, well, there
you have it.

		Stephan Meyers
		artn@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu
From: bijans@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bijan M. Salehizadeh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
Subject: U2 Rockumentary
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:31:15 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Does anyone know if there was a U2 Rockumentary last night (7/23/92)
on MTV.  If there was is or will be one in the  near future, can some of
you MTV fans post or email the time/date?

Thanks
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Subject: sugarcubes' Walkabout?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:17:43 GMT

Does Much Music or MTV play this video? 

I am their #1 fan - got everything they ever did EXCEPT this video and
it is driving me CRAZY!!!

I may stoop to make an RSVP.

mike

-- 
e-mail graham@ug.cs.dal.ca if you like to trade live audio/video tapes
**************************************************************************
Bjork sounds so good, that if I were a singer trying to make a living today    
I'd shoot myself in desperation of ever equalling her  -  Barbara Ellen, NME
From: drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Devin Ben-Hur)
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
Subject: Re: Mid-video MTV logo
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:22:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Jul26.022248.9748
Organization: Are you kidding?

In article <1992Jul21.172240.29530@bert.eecs.uic.edu> artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:
>lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>>	Lately, while watching MTV, I've noticed that every so often, a small
>>MTV logo will kind of wiggle into the lower left corner and disappear. Is this
>	VH1 has had a logo in the corner for some time.  I am pretty sure
>the reason is to prevent bootlegging of videos to show in clubs or to be
>sold.  I think nightclubs are supposed to pay for videos (Rockamerica is
>one of the major suppliers), and if someone (an MTV employee? An independently
>hired inspector?) sees videos at a nightclub with the MTV logo, well, there
>you have it.

Yes, and that logo is really obnoxious.  It's on all the time and it's in the
SAME PLACE.  For those that watch much of this channel, don't be suprised to
find VH-1 forever etched into your TV's phosphers in a year or so.  This
is the same problem with running non-moving background video games on your
TV set or failing to use a screen saver with your computer monitor.

I'm not sure I prefer the MTV one because the movement is distracting,
but it's sure kinder to my $3k rear projection monitor.

-- 
Devin Ben-Hur        [drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com]
"So, I rewired it!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: Violent Videos (was Megadeath and Public Enemy)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.141040.8376@edsi.plexus.COM>, trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper) writes:
> 
> Here in the US, I noticed about an hour ago that MegaDeth's "Symphony of
> Destruction" is not only still in wide play, but is now on their
> bogus "Top 20."  In case you don't know, this is a video where
> a black preacher assasinates either the president or a candidate in
> the name of JFK, or some such.  They even showed an interview clip where
> one of the members of MD said something like "sometimes you need an
> assasination" or something like that.
> 
> 
> WHY does this really yank my chain?  A few months ago, with a LOT
> of hype, they played Public Enemy's "By The Time I Get to Arizona," where
> Chuck D assasinates the governor of AZ in the name of MLK.  BUT, they only
> played it once, and they talked about how violent it was, etc etc blah
> blah. ONCE.  And I can't get any of the local video shows to play it
> either.  I've tried.  Every Friday.  They will NEVER play it.
> 
> So, I have to wonder:
> Is it okay that MegaDeath can assasinate the president, because they are
> white?
> 
> Is it not okay for PE to assasinate the Gov. of AZ, because they are black
> and he is white?
> 
> OR is that nobody really listens to lyrics of white musicians, but always
> take the lyrics of rap music SERIOUSLY because obviously the black race is
> planning a white genocide through messages sent through rap music.  Cop
> Killer, and all.
> 
> Well, I got 25 days to do it....

Excellent points. The kind that any brain-rotted MTV executive would not be
able to answer ("I can't describe a violent video, but I know one when I see
one -- and they usually have those BLACK people in them.")

You want a violent video? Check out Corrosiuon of Conformity's "Vote With a
Bullet." MTV usually plays it about once a month on Headbanger's Ball. It
makes Megadeth's look like kindergarten. But once again, it's WHITE guys in
COC and so it must be OK.

-- Alex --

Newsgroups: rec.music.video
From: artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor)
Subject: Please Email me MTV nominees list
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:23:44 GMT

	The subject line says it all... I missed the posting of the
nominees, please email a copy to:

	Stephan Meyers
	artn@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu
From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: set list 5/2/70?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:48:25 GMT
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

Can someone post the set list for 5/2/70.  I got my copy from the tree, but the
set list mysteriously dissapeared from my disk.

Thanx.
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: You're gonna need one big chickadee ...
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:30:14 GMT

So, what's your point?
From: ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:22:27 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

I don't have the handy feature that allows me to verbatim quote other
people's message, but this is in reference to Chris Lemaire's msg #16144:

Yes, YOU have other interests, thus this does not put YOU to sleep. The
meaning of the message is: if all you care about is the Grateful Dead,
don't bother reading on. If you have other interests, this might interest
you. Please, please, please, stop reading whatever you feel like into
things people write. Only respond to what they actually write, not what
you think they should have written, what you think they will write or
what you would like them to have written.
From: nnewlin@igc.org (Nicholas Newlin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul21.055744.9160@usenet.ins:965825231:cdp:1456400076:000:959
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nnewlin    Jul 22 21:12:00 1992


Wow!  Thanks for a well-written and descriptive piece.  I'm sorry you
were dosed against your will; not a fun experience and definitely
potentially dangerous.  It's a shame you had to have such a negative
experience. It's starange to me that witnessing unwashed per=ople
had such a negative effect on you, some of them were undoubtedly clean on the inside, and many Deadheads really are gentle and loveing.  The hugeness of
the Dead scene can bring in all manner of weirdd folk, and it takes a certain
amount of tolerance and live and let live attituede.e
   I've had some truly religious experiences with friends and the band over the
years.  If I've been on the road for a few days, my clothes sometimes get
dirty.  Anyway, that's a detail you focussed on, and I think much of
the outside world is really put off by Deadheads' appearances, which
is too bad, but that's the bidg world.
     Anyway, thanks for a very different and well-epressed perspective.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULTS! as the news media would see it
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:30:27 GMT

(Results from straw poll in rec.music.gdead)

In article <1992Jul30.213253.1538@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com> writes:
>	CLINTON       75
>	MARROU        22
>	BROWN         17
>       JIM HENDERSON 17
>	BUSH           4
>	PEROT          1
>
>The following people each received one vote:
[19 different people]

<sarcasm on>
OK, I'll play the part of the National Election Service.  The only "major"
candidates are Clinton and Bush, so I'll just report them.  

Candidate     Votes    Percentage

CLINTON         75         95
BUSH             4          5

Total           79        100

Clinton gets 95%!  It's a Landslide!
<end sarcasm>

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my corrected PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Goodbye Tipper!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:00:37 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Well, it seems this has gone on long enough (ie no new ideas) and since
I seem to be the only one who holds my position (at least on the board,
in e-mail I get a bit more support), I would like to say a few things
before I bow gracelessly out:

Yes, I do like the Dead. What I do not like is people who's ONLY interest
is the Dead. The Dead are a great source of pleasure for me, but one of many.
(No, Eric, I have never had any interest in football).

If we regard the purpose of debate as trying to change other people's
minds, then many of you have something to feel good about. I have been
convinced that a great deal of my original belief is wrong. For future
reference, I was generally much more interested in listening to the arguments
of people who did not swear at me. If you don't care about people listening
to you, however, you may ignore this.

As a wrap: I believe that art imitates life, and life imitates art. That
is, while you will not find lyrics in music that are not already out there,
their presence in lyrics serves to bolster their general acceptance. This
is BAD. ***---> I do not think that the way to stop this is to have a
governmental ban on them (I never supported the government acting as
an interventional source). I do think that we, as a community, should
express displeasure with albums such as 2 Live Crew and try and dissuade
people from supporting them. Just because they say something controversial
is no reason to support them. This is not a ban, it is socially responsible
consumerism. Obviously, you are working at the same time on a societal
level to change the attitudes that you do not like, but you have to work
on all fronts. The answer is not warning labels, it is not bans. I don't
like any of the options, but I don't like doing nothing...

One last time: Tipper's fine, whatever, the important thing is that
Clinton/Gore take it in November.

I hope that my counter-consensual opinion has given everyone an exciting
opportunity to vent their frustrations at life. Anyone who I upset:
please excuse me.

J
From: porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: East Coast
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:12:19 GMT
Organization: Microelectronics Lab, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

|> >
|> >     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
|> >
|> 

Oh yeah, providence, pittsburgh (the city, that is), hampton, richmond,
springfield (some wild shows there, eh?), the list goes on....

later,
paul


-- 
Paul A. Orphanos                          pao0@lehigh.edu
Microelectronics Research Laboratory      porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mjs@sequent.com (Mike Spitzer)
Subject: Veneta!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc., Beaverton, OR
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:08:49 GMT

Tickets went on sale in Oregon this morning.  Last I heard, Saturday
is sold out, but there may be a few left for Sunday.  Hope you all get
the tickets you need.

These shows are certain to be an incredible gathering of energy.  For
me it is turning out to be a focus that is connecting people and
emotions from different stages of my life, which is a very good thing
right now.

Please treat Oregon kindly.  Respect for the local residents and for
our Mother is vital as we gather in Oregon for these shows.  Keep in
mind especially that we are experiencing a drought here now, and that
everything is very dry (be careful with fire).

If anyone will be on the road and needs crash space in Portland (about
2 hours away from the shows) before Friday or after Sunday, send me
some mail and we'll work something out.

		Mike
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Re: East Coast
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.232944.2369@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:

>
>     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
>

I'd be willing to say that Irvine Meadows in Laguna Hills California
is a decent answer. Although I did see Bob play there earlier this
month. JGB will be there on August 1st. 




Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@td2cad.intel.com>
Subject: *My* clueless opinion!
Reply-To: kstewart@td2cad.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:09:30 GMT

| Oh well gee, "clueless"? If you really like Donna's singing, you might try
| checking out your average canine howling when the moon is full...

Ever notice that many canines are more worthy of respect than
many humans?  More loving, too. I like dogs. But Ann tells me I've
been cranky lately, so that's probably just a big fat ugly old clueless
*opinion* on my part. 8^)

| ....You should
| get a clue. It isn't a matter of opinion- it is a question of poor vocal
| ability.

Yeah? Bullshit. Okay, here's my clueless opinion:

QUIT PICKING ON DONNA JEAN, YOU LIFELESS DWEEBS!

Sheeit, Jerry and Bobby can't sing worth shit and you cut *them* some
slack! I've got half a mind to blame all this abuse on *sexism*, and
immediately metamorphose this whole thread into that other eternally
recurring net.flame.war! 8^)  (just kidding, but *wouldn't* that be
fun!)

Naw seriously, if you don't get it, you probably never will. Calling
somebody wrong who *did* get it doesn't change a thing.

Pigpen was sick the first time I saw the band, and I never did see the
man sing. To this day I don't really "get it" about Pigpen, don't
really see how he belonged in the band, although Jerry swears he was
the band's heart and soul.

If I'd experienced the band with Pig, if I had been affected by some
of the magic which does not come through the tapes, _and_which_is_not_
exclusively_musical_, I might feel differently, and miss him more than
I do.

I did experience the Keith & Donna Dead. My best years following the
Dead, BY FAR, were 1975-1977. The band was really beautiful every time
I saw them, and the music was grounded living lightning. Really nice
stuff. And to me, Donna Jean was part of the balance and the magic
which made that beast soar (and so was Keith).  She belonged there, 
in a way which was not exclusively musical.

I understand why they had to leave, but IMCO, the band was never again
as *balanced* and as *grounded* as they felt to me from 75 to 77. The
Brent band was good, and technically probably better vocally, but they
weren't as balanced. I do miss that, and I do miss Donna Jean.

Cluelessly yers,
--bongo

       "hey there little red rooster, you ain't shit to me"
                                          --not Donna Jean