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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Multiculture 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:10:54 GMT

rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo) writes:

...
>Great! Now you recognize there are differences between the Maubere people and
>many different groups of indonesians (let's call it this way).
>HOWEVER, schools at ET only teach in Bahasa Indonesia. 

Amazing, you're not listening (reading) or what ? (I am getting tired of this).
It has been pointed over and over again. Schools in Indonesia are taught
in Bahasa Indonesia. In all part of Indonesia... So what's your problem ?
If bahasa Jawa (or bahasa Sunda or bahasa Batak or bahasa Bali or bahasa
Menado bahasa Ambon or bahasa Aceh or bahasa ....) only would be used as 
the teaching language at school, it would be a disaster.

..
>Because ETers are different, they may have different objectives from others 
>(such
>as the javanease). In many regions of the world that means different countries
>(such as Portugal versus Spain) or, for smaller regions such as Andorra and
>Licheinstein at the border of great powers, "countries" with great authonomy.

Yes, but not all (most) parts of the world. Here in Canada (or even in the 
US if you're familiar with that country) there's people from different culture. 
(You name it, they got it).
Would you ask them to create their own countries ? Would you ask them to
hold a referendum ? Ever heard of Quebec ?  (If you ask most Quebecois, they
preffer to separate from Canada).

>I placed the term "countries" between quotes to mean that the neighbour powers
>have some sort of say on the external affairs, but they leave a great deal of
>authonomy to the internal affairs.

That term "countries" is confusing. Isn't that similar to provincial govnt.
In many countries, provincial (or states) government is good enough.

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:50:07 GMT

>Heran saya membaca tulisan-tulisan dari bangsa yang pernah
>menjajah Indonesia - tepatnya Timor Timur selama lebih 350 tahun.
>Apa mereka tidak merasa berdosa setelah menjajah sedemikian lama?

 Heh, it's their grand grand grand parents who did it so they, the latter
 generations, might just don't feel anything wrong about it.

>Malah melemparkan kesalahan ke pemerintah Indonesia.

>Apa betul Indonesia sedemikian jeleknya?

 No comments. :)

- Onno

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
From: 6500hiro@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Hiroaki Kitano)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Indonesian pop music
Keywords: Indonesian pop
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:19:32 GMT
Distribution: alt

I am an Indonesian music fan, especially pop music. In Japan, there has
been a growing interest in Indonesian music, like Kroncong, 
Dang-dut, Pop Indonesia, Pop Sunda, etc. Most famous singers in Japan
are; Hetty Koes Endang, Elvi Sukaesih, Roma Irama, Itje Trisnawati,
Detty Kurnia (a Pop Sunda singer). Please give me latest information
and news on music in Indonesia, especially on these singers. I would
be grateful if you e-mail and talk to me.

Thank you,
			Hiroaki Kitano    11/20/1992
I am a Japanese, born in Japan, now living and studying in USA.


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:34:34 GMT

In article <Bxt912.Bqy@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>
>Penggunaan bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar.
>
>Saya mengalami kesulitan besar dalam menulis makalah (atau tulisan
>lain) dalam bahasa Indonesia. Banyak istilah-istiliah asing yang
>tidak ada (mungkin ada tapi saya tidak tahu) dalam bahasa Indonesia,
>misalnya istilah-istilah komputer. Misalnya :
>
>- mouse
>- remote machine
>- window manager
>- shell
>- prompt
>- cursor
>- pointer (dalam program, misalnya dalam bahasa C    *variabel)
>- dan lain lain (banyak sekali)
>
>Bagaimana pendapat anda ?
Sedikit banyak saya sudah membaca Pedoman Pembentukan Istilah
Baru yang dilampirkan di bagian belakang Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia
yang diterbitkan oleh Depdikbud. Kalau mau cepat, aturan resminya
adalah menuliskan istilah-istilah teknik asing itu langsung sesuai
dengan aslinya dengan huruf miring (atau garis bawah).

Saya rasa, "newsgroup" ini sangat bagus kita pakai untuk menyusus
istilah perkomputeran dalam Bahasa Indonesia. 

Pertama, kita harus bisa memilah antara istilah khusus dan istilah umum.
Yang saya maksud dengan istilah khusus adalah istilah yang memperoleh
pengertian baru dalam konteks baru. Contohnya mouse komputer tidak
terlalu tersangkut dengan tikus kecuali barangkali bentuknya yang
mirip (bagi saya, tidak terlalu mirip karena buntutnya seperti mencuat
di depan). Sebaliknya, istilah umum adalah istilah yang pengetiannya
(hampir) sama di semua konteks. Contohnya pointer.

Untuk istilah khusus, kita bisa saja ikut main comot kata, bisa mencomot
kata asli, atau kata Indonesia. Masalahnya tinggal mencari kesepakatan.
Untuks istilah umum, kita harus lebih berhati-hati karena bisa kehilangan
ketepatan arti.

Kaidah umum yang disukai untuk memilih kata:
- kata yang pendek lebih disukai dari yang lebih panjang
- kata yang mudah dilafalkan dengan lidah Indonesia lebih disukai


Boleh saya coba-coba mengajukan usulan:
>- mouse                      tikus (asal comot dari bahasa Indonesia)
>- remote machine             mesin (di) seberang
>- window manager
Saya kira ini bisa dipisah karena pengertian window ortogonal dengan
pengertian manager. 
window                        window (lafal Indonesianya sudah sesuai
                                      dengan tulisan)
>- shell                      ini susah karena kata sel sendiri sudah
                              dipakai untuk cell, berarti harus diganti
                              bagaimana kalau selubung? atau bungkus?
>- prompt                     prom (wah, bisa rancu dengan programable rom).
>- cursor                     kursor
>- pointer (dalam program, misalnya dalam bahasa C    *variabel)
                              pointer (lafalnya sudah enak).
>- dan lain lain (banyak sekali) ayo kita sebut satu persatu.

Wassalam,
Bambang Prastowo
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: FTP sites/Indonesian Software
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:45:45 GMT

In article <BxqJsG.EEE@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> henstock@ecn.purdue.edu (Peter V Henstock) writes:
> 
> >Does anybody know of an FTP site which has information about
> >Indonesia especially for computing.  I am interseted in software
> >packages and electronic dictionaries.  Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Unfortunately there's no FTP site in Indonesia (yet).
> There's a documentation on networking in Indonesia.
> You can get it with anonymous ftp from ftp.ee.umanitoba.ca
> under pub/indonesian directory.

  Does they have a network connection open to the world yet?  ;-)
  I want a netrek server there. heh.  
  Then again, I must be dreaming or too tired now.

> 
> regards,
> 
> Budi 

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: bahasa daerah
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:41:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


if somebody asked you about bahasa indonesia, what kind of explanation
would you use?  i mean, would you explain to that person that bahasa
indonesia is our lingua franca because we have a lot of "dialects"?

i know that i usually did that.

but, speaking about dialects, i usually said that these dialects
actually are not dialects.  they are local languages because they have
different kind of words and (probably) grammars.  a lot of people
tend to think that java language, sunda language, minahasa language,
batak language, etc. are indonesian dialects.   as a matter of fact,
as far as i know, only minang language that closes to indonesian
language (well, malayan language).

i remember when i once told this to my friend's mother (she's an english
teacher), she told me that i have more than three languages.  this was
her conclusion after i told her that my parents came from sumatra barat
and i grew up in sunda (bandung).  i still learn english right now and
am taking german.

what struck me -- after she told me about that -- was i suddenly realized 
"yes!  minang language and sunda language ARE languages.  so are other
local languages."  i usually never counted these local languages as
part of my ability in speaking other languages.

can i say now that english is my fourth language, not as a second
language anymore?



-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:32:13 GMT

In article <Bxt912.Bqy@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi R
hardjo) writes:
>
>Penggunaan bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar.
>
>Saya mengalami kesulitan besar dalam menulis makalah (atau tulisan
>lain) dalam bahasa Indonesia. Banyak istilah-istiliah asing yang
>tidak ada (mungkin ada tapi saya tidak tahu) dalam bahasa Indonesia,
>misalnya istilah-istilah komputer. Misalnya :
>
>- mouse
>- remote machine
>- window manager
>- shell
>- prompt
>- cursor
>- pointer (dalam program, misalnya dalam bahasa C    *variabel)
>- dan lain lain (banyak sekali)
>
>Bagaimana pendapat anda ?
>
>Perlukah kita Indonesiakan istilah-istilah tersebut ? Kalau perlu,
>adakah kaidah yang harus kita ikuti ?
>
>Catatan: 
>- Mas Bambang Prastowo, dari Queen's, pernah menuliskan makalah 
>  tentang hal ini.
>- Tahukan anda: mangkus & sangkil ? :-)
>
>-- budi
>-- 
>Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
>Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba


  This is a serious issue. last time iwas back in Indonesia 
 i try the indonesian camputer nagazines. theuses of words 
  are hoorible. it seems that some Chauvinist try to 
 Indonesianize all the computer term. 
   Before we all go into deep discussion. consider few points.
 somtimes there is just no indonesian word for the term
  so why not borrow it and utilize it. i t will richen our
 language. not instaed creating more words that just sound
  awfull. 

   This is only my opinion.

uskie
 Sofjan Mustopoh

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.portuguese
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: <croons>
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1ea6roINNab@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
writes:

> 
> Sometimes songs like "Burung Kakaktua," "Bintang Kejora," "Bintang Kecil,"
> "Burung Kutilang," or "Tamasya dengan Becak" came into my head and I
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Hmmm never heard of this song before. Is it new? 

> -- 
> 
> "Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
> thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: RE:Himbauan buat Rekan rekan
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:59:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.192726.44789@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|Selamat Datang ke Dunia Sastera Indonesia.
|Pramudya Ananta Toer boleh jadi penulis Indonesia yang terbaik saat
|ini.
|Sayang buku buku karangannya lebih mudah dijumpai disini ketimbang di
|Indonesia.
|Kalau saya tak salah ada enam buku yang ditulisnya setelah bebas dari
|TP Pulau BURU. Seluruhnya sudah diterbitkan dalam Bahasa
|Inggeris(Penguin). Karya karyanya sebelum ditahan tidak ISTIMEWA. Saya
|sudah baca "Diah : SiManis Bergigi Emas". Biasa saja.
|

Does anyone know if there is any Indonesian edition of his books ?
I know that they are banned in Indonesia, but maybe some foreign 
publishers publish them. I have read the english edition of
'Anak Segala Bangsa', it's bloody excellent!


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:03:32 GMT

ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) writes:

>In article <BxxFot.9wH@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>> 
>> >Bagaimana kalau perakit bahasa Assembly ?
>> 
>> Setelah saya pikir-pikir, asembler juga bisa dipakai. Saya mengambil
>> analogi dengan "computer" -> "komputer".
>>
>Asembler lebih bagus daripada perakit bahasa Assembly. Lebih singkat.
>Terus assembly-nya apa? Asembli?

Saya rasa sebaiknya "assembly" tetap "assembly" karena ini nama dari
suatu bahasa, seperti halnya bahasa "BASIC" dan "Pascal".
(Dengan 'a' lafal Indonesia).


salam,
Budi 
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: vinch@IASTATE.EDU (Jonni Anwar)
Subject: Feeding our newsgroup
Keywords: sports news
Reply-To: vinch@IASTATE.EDU (Jonni Anwar)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:06:19 GMT

Lately, something has changed in this newsgroup. It is no longer dominated
with the boring ET topic. We came up with several worth-chatting topics, e.g
sports, music, and maybe recipes... :)

Now, let's feed our newsgroup with topics that are really interesting to 
most of our readers.
Not only "fun 'n light" topics like sports and music, but also with recent
condition of our country...
For example how about the crash of the CN-235?
Or maybe some of you guys know some statistics of Indonesians students in
the U.S. I have no idea how many Indonesians students are studying in the U.S.

More, I heard about Indonesians Proffessional Association in California. 
This association helps Indonesians students to get the right job when they
back to our lovely country (pulang kampuang.. :) ). According to what I hear
from my advisor here at Iowa State, they have a list of interested company 
that will hire Indonesians students.
It will be great to have those guys within this newsgroup.


                   peace ...........!!!
                  we love peace, but we love freedom more...

*****************************************************************************
 Department of Industrial and Manufacturing System Engineering
 Iowa State University
 Ames, Iowa
___________________________________________________e-mail vinch@iastate.edu 

****************************************************************************
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: slkqz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Sejarah Aceh
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:50:20 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


  Bagi anda yang beranggapan Aceh INGIN memisahkan diri
  dari Rep. Indonesia...SAYA SARANKAN ANDA UNTUK MEMBACA
  DAN MEMPELAJARI SEJARAH ACEH.

  Aceh sejak awal kemerdekaan sudah menyatakan ingin bergabung
  dengan Republik Indonesia. Sekedar informasi, pesawat pertama
  milik Pemerintah Indonesia adalah sumbangan rakyat ACEH
  yang diberi nama SEULAWAH.

  Jika anda bicara soal DI/TII lagi...lagi..baca sejarahnya
  Kenapa...mereka berontak...baca....baca...jangan sekedar
  mendengar khabar burung.....or.....gosip.

  Jadi....sebaiknya kita masing-masing mengerjakan
  kewajiban masing-masing. Saya percaya tugas yang
  dibebankan pada kita bertujuan baik untuk umat manusia.
  Kalau semua tugas terlaksana dengan baik....
  semuanya....bisa makmur.....

  MERDEKA

  Donny
  --------------------
 Campuran : Bapak ACEH, ibu Tapanuli. Hidup selalu di lingkungan Aceh.
From: 2huxvalved@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: RAMAYANA: Indonesian version
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:12:24 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


     Ramayana epic that is famous in Indonesia is Walmiki's version.
When I was a dancer at the Prambanan Ramayana theatre 10  years ago,
I saw a motto by Walmiki on the wall. If I'm not mistaken, it says:
    
     As mountains still erupt
     and rivers still flow
     Ramayana epic still exists

     The main characters in RAMAYANA
are Rama, Rahwana or Dasamuka (10 faces), Lesmana, Hanoman, Shinta,
and Kumbokarna. Also a giant eagle (I forget the name) was important
in the story. Rahwana is a king in Alengka. Maybe Indonesian version
is a bit different in the meaning of each part of play....There are
4 parts in the play ( as it's played in Prambanan theatre): 
        1. Shinta is kidnapped
        2. Hanoman is burnt
        3. Kumbokarna dies and
        4. Shinta is burnt
   
     In the story, Kumbokarna is portrayed as a good beast. He never
intended to kill anyone who invades his country (Rama and some 
creatures-monkeys, eagles, etc) but knowing that his country is being
destroyed, he just defend it till he dies. In fact, he refused to fight
Rama in the beginning of the invasion.

     That's it for now


     Regards,

     Bagong.....
     
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: D.Tambunan@massey.ac.nz (D. Tambunan)
Subject: Exit-permit
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:10:11 GMT

Saya mohon info tentang peraturan exit-permit terbaru di Indonesia. 
Apakah pemegang pasport biru (service passport) masih memerlukan exit-permit
sewaktu meninggalkan Indonesia? Saya akan kembali ke Medan dalam waktu dekat. 
Apa mungkin exit-permit (bagi pegawai negeri) bisa diurus di kantor imigrasi/
kehakiman di daerah tanpa harus pergi ke Deplu? Trims atas infonya.

Don Tambunan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Subject: Re: Multiculture (Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?)
Reply-To: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:42:02 GMT

In article <1ee0t4INN7vg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira
Putra) writes:
> 
> Somebody writes that Bali are fighting for their independence ...
> 
> I tell you what, man ....
> Jakarta also fights for independence because Jakarta is too big
> and as big as ...  ho ho ho ...
> 
> What do you respond if Lisboa wants to independence ?
> 
> .... ho ho ho ...
> 	stupid enough to accepy it, man !
> 
> .... ho ho ho ...
> 
> I am BOZO from Cleveland ... ho ho ho ...
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 	Unity in diversity ...
> ---------------------------------- \/\/ira Putra ---------------
> .................. ck345@cleveland.freenet.edu .................
> .................. bozo from cleveland ...... ho ho ho .........


You are "bozo" all right!
Try to be a santa claus?
Not!
:)


ftandiar@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Membentuk kata dengan "ng".
Keywords: BI
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:10:22 GMT

regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:

...
>Just curious, what's wrong with "mencetak berkas PS di LW",
>"menjalankan compiler Pascal", "melihat gambar-gambar JPEG"?
>Please note that instead of 'perakit' I used 'compiler'.
...
>ps. probably I should've used 'kompiler' ^_^

How do you pronounce 'compiler' in that sentence ?
Would the 'c' sound like 'compang camping' ? 
If the 'c' sounds like 'k' then you might want to use 'kompailer' instead.


-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Corpus of Indonesian texts?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:57:43 GMT

Would anyone know of a corpus of Indonesian texts
on some anonymous ftp site somewhere?

The reason I ask is: I have been studying a medieval
manuscript in a simple substitution cipher, the
language of which has never been identified. 
The text shows many reduplicated strings reminiscent
of word reduplication in Indonesian and related
languages, and I would like to submit a long
Indonesian text to the same statistical tests
for comparison purposes. The manuscript, the
original of which is at Yale, is written on
vellum and dates probably from 1300 to 1500.

Thank you for any help.
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: College basketball
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:51:46 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov19.120837@IASTATE.EDU>, ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary) writes:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am wandering if any body knows how the basketball teams 
> played in National Invitation Tournament (NIT) got selected.
> Are those teams from the last year NCAA top 32? or just
> randomly selected?
> 
> By the way, Iowa State Cyclone advance to the second round and
> will play on Friday with Florida State. The game will be on
> ESPN. 
> 
> ftandiar@iastate.edu
i think they are selected to represent the strongest leagues in the country
(ACC, Big 8, Big 10, Pac 10, etc). i am not sure how they select which team
from each league, but i suspect by turn (recall: KU won the NIT tournament in
1990, while Ok State are runner up in 1991 (?) ). by the way, personally i dont
think Cyclone can pass Florida St, let alone beat Indiana. let KU show how a
top 10 team should play, ok ? ;-)
hsiahaan@tesla.ece.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia