HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Lotus May Be Backing Away From NeXT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:05:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.030414.5410@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.190726.23091@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> 
> >  Perhaps Lotus should seriously rethink the policy concerning
> >  such announcements.  Why should the potential purchaser believe
> >  that Lotus's lack of announcements about future NeXT development
> >  is what you claim?

> It is a double-edged sword.  If Lotus keeps quiet, it may
> loose potential   customers.  If Lotus posts tons of
> pre-release announcements, they are labeled   as a
> Vaporware company.  It is better in the long term for Lotus
> to keep quiet   and loose a few customers than to be
> permanently branded by all as a vaporware   developer.
> 
> Personally I would rather not hear about it publicly than
> hear "Oh yeah, it'll   ship in about a week" for four or five
> months (see archives of   comp.dcom.modems). 

Not all companies that make such announcements fail to
follow through. 

Also, neither you nor I has knowledge of how many current
and future NeXT customers will be turned away by Lotus
refusing to announce *anything* about the future of the
NeXT product line.

There is, however, a "middle ground" solution: Lotus
could make a simple public announcement that they remain
committed to future development on the NeXT platform. 

Sorry, but a quick post on csnm doesn't qualify! 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: S - Environment for Data Analysis
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:23:44 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics

In article <1992Apr16.144437.22702@athena.mit.edu> gondwana@athena.mit.edu (Matthias G Imhof) writes:
>
>
>did someone successfully implement the S package on a NeXT?
>
>
>
>                              WHAT IS S?
>
>S, a product of AT&T, is an interactive environment for data analysis
>and graphics.  It grew out of the interests and needs of people doing
>statistics research, and it is used extensively by statisticians.

S/New S and S+( the commercial version from Statistical Sciences) are the
main data analysis packages for research level statistics. News S has been
running on the NeXT for some time but what is very exciting is that
Statistical Sciences is porting S+ to the NeXT. They are testing the 
version which uses X11 now. As I understand matters a NeXTSTep version will
be out later this year.

You can get more information about S+ from marvin@statsci.com . This is 
a first rate package. Hopefully NeXT users will look into it. By the way,
we are talking about something far more powerful than SAS here, although
the usage of the two is somewhat different.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Size of Nets (was Re: SEF did it again)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:38:12 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr14.104753.13285@gagetalker.com>
scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner) writes:

>As big as the Internet is, Usenet is far larger. 

How big are they, according to you?

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From: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Serial input via DSP
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:33:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.075541.25466@email.tuwien.ac.at> rainer@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at writes:
>I remember having read something about fast serial I/O using the NeXT DSP
>in either csnm or csnp some time ago. Is there a PD or commercial program
>that does this, or have I been hallucinating?

No, you haven't been hallucinating :)

Yrrid Inc. is working on a tty driver that uses the DSP. There will be
a set of Unix /dev files that emulate the essential features of a tty
for use with all the standard serial port orientated programs.

We will be officially announcing it RSN (Under 6 weeks, _very_ safe estimate)
and will be shipping immediately after the announcement. We've had some
hangups, but everything is approaching final product stage rapidly now.
It will consist of a small cable to convert the DSP port into a 25 pin
RS-232 port and a software package.

Major features anticipated for the first release:

Emulation of essential tty operations, cooked, cbreak, raw and the most
 commonly used ioctl's.
6+k receive, 6+k transmit buffers in the DSP.
64+k receive buffer on the CPU side.
95% of single character processing done on the DSP side. cooked mode, character
 recognition etc.
128kbps sustained bidrectional IO.
Non standard and standard baud rates up to 128kbps.
Hardware flow control.

Pricing information can be requested via mail.

We are also accepting feature requests, if you have a particular need
send us email and we'll tell you if it's in there, if it's a good idea
and we're putting it in as we reply or if it will be added at a later
date.

Thanks for you interest,
-- 
:: Christopher Lloyd :: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu :: Yrrid Inc. ::
From: beatty+@cs.cmu.edu (Derek Beatty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Revealed.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:38:25 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.035754.11198@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
>McDunnough) writes:

>>And it's "most people" who
>> will determine the future. 

>There you have it folks. The future is DOS.

Jim Morris, the original leader of the Andrew project at CMU (before
that, he was at Xerox PARC) recently spoke at our Distinguished
Lecture series, and he made essentially that point.  I think he's
worth some attention, since Steve Jobs got a lot of ideas from PARC
(Macintosh==Alto) and Andrew (interpersonal computing).  I don't
agree with everything Morris said (he blamed virtual memory for
practically every performance problem including US Treasury bonds),
but an essential part of his talk was that: 1) the market drives
programmers, and 2) programmers will write programmer-productivity
tools, on whatever platform they're using.  Thus, the decision that
the Andrew project made, namely, to use workstations (for programmer
productivity), was wrong.  During the question period after the talk,
one CS professor concurred, pointing out that his experience teaching
an introductory course using Andrew was that the students who wrote
code on their PC's did substantially better work than those students
who used Andrew.

Don't get me wrong; I love my NeXT and wouldn't part with it.  But
Microsoft has an army of programmers writing standard applications.
I think they'll eventually adopt a lot of the software architecture
we see on the NeXT today.  And then they'll add an IB-like tool for
Windows, PC's will be the most attractive platform for custom
applications, and the dust will settle in Steve's sandbox, the PARC
of the 90's.

On the other hand, maybe Morris's analogy of computers and
refrigerators will hold: the home-appliances industry never fully
emerged from the 1930's depression; since everyone already had one
refrigerator, why get another?  Computers and the current {depr-,rec-} 
-ession could turn out the same.  Multimedia may never make it much
past the hype stage, except as entertainment technology. 
The future may be WordPerfect 6.0, Lotus 1-2-3 4.0, and Nintendo-586.

I hope I'm wrong, especially about the second scenario.

--
Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu	CS Grad Student		(412) 268-7898
CMU School of Computer Science, 5000 Forbes Ave., Pgh., PA 15217 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:36:03 GMT

In article <278@moene.UUCP> toon@moene.uucp (Toon Moene) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.224335.13606@cube.handheld.com>  
> jmd@banana.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>>
> > This message was posted, and reached the NFS backbone, using no AT&T  
> circuits.
>                                            ^^^ NSF ?

Yes, you are right.  I am dyslexic, and when it ain't in the spelling checker,  
I'm at the mercy of my twisted visual perception! ;-)

> > Jim De Arras
> 
> Toon Moene (toon@moene.uucp)
> Kantershof 269, 1104 GN  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> Tel.: + 31 20 6982029; Fax: + 31 20 6003411
> No Disclaimers; a NeXT at home protects against this occupational hazard.
Jim De Arras
-- 
Jim De Arras            | The opinions expressed herein are
Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 
804.784.3090 voice      | Held Products, Inc., and may not
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Student discounts - cheapskate weasels should count there blessings
Date: 11 Apr 92 09:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com

In article <1992Apr9.084122.2454@panik.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>  
asmith@panik.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (SteakFace) writes:

>  I find it very comforting to know that reason and reality lurks below the  
>  surface here in comp.sys.next.misc.

Hard to believe isn't it?


andrew
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Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: Re: Mathematica Problems
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:27:36 GMT

tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:

>You need to have /LocalApps in your path, not  
[..]
>those scripts would be /usr/local/bin of /usr/bin.

You also have to rehash (for csh ) after that,
-- 
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 VICTORIAN DOLLHOUSE you can find!!  An make it SNAPPY!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: .score to .snd (NOT: Software Right to ship Brain with Code Source...)
From: zazula@bonehead.tucson.az.us (Ralph Zazula)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:19:34 MST
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Apr9.171855.517@rrz.de>  writes:
> Is there an (electronical) possibility to put the sound of a .score file into  
a .snd  

Yes, you can do this with Ensemble or playscore.  

In Ensemble:  Use Score->SaveAs  and select DSP Commands.

with playscore: use the -w or -c options.

Hope this helps,
Ralph
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: comp.newprod (was: Why doesn't NeXT send press releases to comp.sys.next.announce?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:10:40 GMT

In article <12174@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
> 
> There is a newsgroup specifically set up for blatantly commercial posts,  
> and it's called:
> 
> 	COMP.NEWPROD
> 
> People should read it and use it. 

Wasn't one of the voting choices for a NeXT Developer
commercial announcement group? If so, that would be a
good place for such NeXT announcements... 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Future of NewsGrazer?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:13:09 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

Ernest Prabhakar writes
> I believe that NewsGrazer will be 'frozen' at the current level, although you  
> can bug_next if there are significant bugs.  That leaves the market open for  
> commercial products like Jayson's "NewsExplorer."  Sort of like with  
BackSpace.   
> NeXT is trying to avoid competing with it's developers, after all.

Maybe they'll put the source code to NewsGrazer in /NextDeveloper/Demos
like they did with BackSpace?  Wouldn't that be great?

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California		Font Hotline: 800-525-FONT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Wither HippoDraw?
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:13:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.063424.3383@cco.caltech.edu>  
dlisoski@bluff.galcit.caltech.edu (Derek L. Lisoski) writes:
> A while back there was some talk about a histogram plotting program named, I  
> believe, HippoDraw. Neither Archie nor myself can find this program...does  
> anybody know where or if it still exists?
> Thanks
> derek (dlisoski@cco.caltech.edu)

It is real.  It is held up in beta, but should be made public in a week or so.   
Caltech is a beta site, though, so I could probably snag you a copy.  Not until  
Monday, though, since I'm busy using Hippo for a talk tomorrow...
- Ernie P.
 

--
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Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 5:13a
#import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Why doesn't NeXT send press releases to comp.sys.next.announce?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 06:08:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: mindseye.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr10.035020.28854@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
  m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling) writes:
>> 
>> Has NeXT bothered to announce this officially?  We sure didn't
>> hear.  Of course, sometimes it seems like we're the last to know
>> anything around here ;-)
>
>The press release went out on Monday. Send me email if you would like a  
>copy via NeXTmail.

The thing I don't understand is:

Why doesn't NeXT send their press releases to comp.sys.next.annouce.
Surely they should know about it, and it is free, and the
group is set up to take this kind of announcement.

I hate to hear it second hand from places like Wall Street J
or other sources where things tend to get mangled.

-- 
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USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440             Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@violet.berkeley.edu   NeXTmail: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Did comp.sys.next.richposts pass?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:56:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <12388@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.173911.4603@newshost.lanl.gov>  
> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:
> $ In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>  
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> $ (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> $ > such neat posts will most *definitely* belong. 
> $ I bet there won't be. 
> I hope there will be.
> A negative result of the voting on the recently-proposed  

> comp.sys.next.richposts should be construed as an affirmative for  
> continued (perhaps even expanded) rich-text postings on all other  
> comp.sys.next.* groups.

comp.sys.next.richposts failed by 4% (need a 2:1 ratio to
pass, got a 1.68:1 ratio).

So, until this can be brought up again (have to wait 6 months), 
comp.sys.next.misc is still the best place to put NewsGrazer RTF
posts. Maybe next time it'll pass, and the stuff goes elsewhere.

Since this failed by way of the democratic process, I think we should
all stop wasting time complaining about it, and live and let live for a
while.

- db

Some thoughts...

(Why does one 700k MIME file that so few can read draws almost NO 
remark, yet a couple uuencoded NG posts upset so many people? At least
I can uudecode and untar the NG stuff to find out what's inside, I couldn't
do anything with that mega-multimedia post by Mark Crispin. I wonder how
many gigabytes of garbage (to use "sef" terminology) that single post 
generated all over the world? Good thing I didn't try to read THAT one
over the modem...)


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From: js@Princeton.EDU (Jay Sekora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Macintosh Emulator DEMO available via anonymous ftp
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:09:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr7.130907.17641
Reply-To: js@Princeton.EDU (Jay Sekora)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

John McCracken <john@nextdoor.com> writes

> Can anyone tell me what Altsys' Fontographer does?

It's a font editor for PostScript and TrueType fonts, with (limited)
facilities for generating hand-tuned bitmaps.
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: RESULTS:  new comp.sys.next.* groups pass, except richposts
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:48:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc

I didn't see this anywhere but in the csn.announce newsgroups, did  
you?

Fire up those RTF posts.

In article <1992Apr13.200705.573@athena.mit.edu>  
csnvotes@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (CSN Reorganization) writes:
$ Well, the results of all 488 valid votes have been tallied, and the  
$ results are:
$       YES on advocacy, hardware, marketplace, software
$ but
$       NO  on richposts
$ 		      
$ To wit:
$ ===============================  
$ Proposal #1:  Create comp.sys.next.advocacy?
$  YES/NO: 368 to 99...margin 269, percent in favor 78.800857 PASSES
$ 
$ Proposal #2:  Create comp.sys.next.hardware?
$  YES/NO: 411 to 65...margin 346, percent in favor 86.344538 PASSES
$ 
$ Proposal #3:  Create comp.sys.next.marketplace?
$  YES/NO: 390 to 81...margin 309, percent in favor 82.802548 PASSES
$ 
$ Proposal #4:  Create comp.sys.next.richposts?
$  YES/NO: 287 to 171...margin 116, percent in favor 62.663755 NO  
PASS
$ 
$ Proposal #5:  Create comp.sys.next.software?
$  YES/NO: 367 to 104...margin 263, percent in favor 77.919321 PASSES
$ ===============================  
$ (Due to abstentions, numbers may not add up to 488)
$ 
$ Although there was a simple majory for csn.richposts
$ there was NOT the requisite 2-to-1 majority.  The USENET guidelines  
state:
$ "3)AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious  
objections that  
$ might invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes  
are  
$ received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number  
of  
$ valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control  
message  
$ may be sent out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not  
met, the  
$ group should not be created."
[... rest munched ...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: relay of materials on the Neuron problem(s)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:34:23 GMT

In article <57155@cup.portal.com> h2o@cup.portal.com (Miljenko - Horvat) writes:
>Oh boy do I NOT want to remain anonymous. I want them to know my 
>name. I want them to have nightmares about it. As I said in 
>another erecnt Neuron post, I do not live that far from 
>Princeton and I just might drive over one day to see them in person ...

I doubt you'd be able to find them.
[ ]
>
>I guess I don't have to be afraid that the epoplke from Neuron 
>will start harassing me on the phone - their phones do not 
>seem to be capable of dialing my numbers. :)

Yes that seems to be a problem for them. However I'm sure if you
offered them money for calling you'd stand a good chance of receiving
one.

After 6 months of torment with Neuron I am back to my  USR setup which works
fine. The odd thing about Neuron's stuff is that is may work for a while and
then start acting up. One might even think that they did this in order to
either torment people or to force them to continuously upgrade. Upgrading
seems to be the only choice as they don't appear to honour warranties. I'm
quite surprised that the US would allow such a company to exist for so long.
It will be most interesting to read the upcoming NeXTWorld article on 
Neuron.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

PS: I do feel Gittleman should publicly apologize to all members of the
NeXT community.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cjs@po.CWRU.Edu (Christopher J. Seline)
Subject: WANTED: General User Manauals (ones that come w/ starting point kit)
Reply-To: cjs@po.CWRU.Edu (Christopher J. Seline)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University Censors Its Students
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:57:50 GMT


I'd like to purchase someone's "General User Manuals" (you know, the ones 
that came with your NeXT).

cjs





for the curious, I just bought a used slab and its previous owner had misplaced
the manuals.
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