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From: gnome@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Gary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,rec.music.folk
Subject: Golden Bough (folk music) concert schedule
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:16:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk

Here's a Golden Bough (Celtic/Irish folk music) tour list.
Please forgive any mistakes/typos.  I had a very "chunky"
fax as an original.
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Austria -

9/5/92	20.00	Hallein Folk Festival, Salzburg

Germany -

9/21/92	20.00	Klosterkirche im Klosterhof, Preetz

10/7/92	19.30	Konzertbale im Kurpark, Kurgartenstr. 1,
		Bad Neuenahr-Arweiler

10/9/92	20.00	Zehntscheuer, Gruner-Turm-Str. 30, Ravensburg

10/11/92	Kultur im Gewolbe, Krummenbergstr. 27, Uberlingen

10/16/92 20.00	Festhalle, Vogelsbergstr. 166, Schotten

10/24/92 20.00	Podium, Innere Buchleuthenstr. 28, Kaufbeuren

10/27/92 20.30	Jakobshof, Stromgasse 31, Aachen
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And on tour with the World Music Ensemble -

9/24/92	20.00	2000 Hamburg 1 - AUFTAKT KONZERT
		Hamburger Husikhalle,
		Kleiner Saal, K.-Muck-Platz
	! Kartenvorverkauf c/o ARC MUSIK
	  Tel. 040/25 15 28 32
9/25/92 20.00	2840 Diepholz, Theater SchlesierstraBe
	  Tel. 05441/6161
9/26/92 20.00	2950 Leer, Aula der Emsschule Blinke
	  Tel. 0491/2616
9/27/92 20.00	2300 Kiel, "Die Pumpe", HaBstr. 22
	  Tel. 0431/96161
9/28/92 20.00	0-6900 Jena, Volkshaus, C.-Zeiss-Platz 15
9/29/92 20.00	A-1170 Wien, "Metropol", Hernalser Hauptstr.
	  Tel. 0043/222/431625-26
9/30/92 19.30	8012 Ottobrunn, W.-Ferrari-Haus, Rathauspl.
	  Tel. 089/60808108
10/3/92 	0-2300 Rostock
		c/o Kulturamt der Stadt, Fr. Napp
10/4/92	20.00	3203 Sarstedt, Sporthalle OS Wellweg
	  Tel. 0511/3472294
10/5/92		3100 Celle
	  Tel. 05141/12421
From: adnan@redstart.icd.ab.com (Adnan C. Yaqub)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:33:17 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Inc., Highland Heights, OH, USA.

In article <1992Aug25.160830.14163@midway.uchicago.edu> karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Karen Spragle) writes:

Karen> Does anyone know if it is possible to hold a passport for both 
Karen> Germany and the US?  I am a native american, but my mom is a 
Karen> german citizen.  I am interested in living/working over there
Karen> for a while, and thought this would be the easiest way to do it.

My wife is German and I am American.  My wife looked into getting a
dual citizenship and was informed by the German consulate in Detroit
that the Germans do not allow dual citizenship *unless* you are made a
citizen of another country without any action on your part.  (An
example would be if you married a Swiss.  The Swiss *automatically*
give citizenship to spouses of Swiss citizens.)  Therefore, from what
I know, it doesn't look too hopeful for you.
--
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Allen-Bradley Company, Inc., 747 Alpha Drive, Highland Hts., OH 44143, USA
Phone: +1 216 646 4670 FAX: +1 216 646 4484
From: montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Security/Safety/Privacy Was Re: Bathroom standards (w
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:13:02 GMT
Organization: AOSG

In article <1992Aug25.190240.24009@sarah.albany.edu>, ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich) writes:
|> I am a (ex) german student. In Germany there are next to none dormitories
|> which have doubles. Most of them have even an one kitchen and bathroom. But
|> still, german dorms are in general cheaper than in the US.
|> 
|> Example: very small room in a german dorm (10 m^2 = 90 ft^2), shower,
|>          bathroom and kitchen on the floor (8 students) 150 DM/month
|>          ($100)
|> 
|>          very nice appartment in a dorm, one bedroom, one kitchen, bathroom,
|>          shower: around 300 DM/month (around 16 m^2 = 100 ft^2 or so).
|>                        ($200).
|> 
|> Both examples are located in Wuerzburg. But in opposit to the states the
|> waitinglists for this dorm are very long (about 3 years I have heard...).
|> 

This reminds me of a story a colleague related about Russians who haven't
quite grasped the basics of capitalism.  He had been SCUBA diving in
the White Sea in northern Russia and had stayed in the area for some
days.  The locals had been complaining about profiteers who had been
bringing petrol and diesel up from the metropolitan areas and selling
it locally.  Their complaint:  "These profiteers are charging too much
money.  The local price for petrol is much less.  There just isn't any."
And they said this with a straight face.  Amusing.

					Monty
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Shaughnessy)
Subject: German Newspapers in the U.S.????
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:34:57 GMT


I am searching for any info regarding receiving Newsopapers by e-mail or
other systems.  The Lexis/Nexis System offers exactly what i want, but i
can not find a university library that offers this system as a part of
their main catalog.  I have access to most University Libraries through a
tlenet program, so if any uuniversity offers this Lexis/Nexis System, i
would appreciate the info.  Or if anyone has info on how i might otherwise
obtain german newspapers through the net, i would also appreciate it very
much. 

Thanks

Mike Shaughnessy

At the reply adress or at shaughmr@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: dsmith@aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Security/Safety/Privacy
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:44:25 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, MI (USA)

In <1992Aug25.190240.24009@sarah.albany.edu> ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.133848.10699@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George) writes:
>>
>>I'd like to hear more along these lines: according to my college German
>>professor/text, German students tended to leave their dormitory rooms
>>locked or at  least closed (contrary to the practice at least at most
>>small American colleges) and that they tended to prefer single rooms
>[...]
>Example: very small room in a german dorm (10 m^2 = 90 ft^2), shower,
>         bathroom and kitchen on the floor (8 students) 150 DM/month
>
>         very nice appartment in a dorm, one bedroom, one kitchen, bathroom,
>         shower: around 300 DM/month (around 16 m^2 = 100 ft^2 or so).
To US students, a "dorm" is usually a large building with many small,
rather spartan rooms.  At larger universitites, dorms may several
floors high and have thousands of rooms; while at smaller colleges,
the size of dorms are correspondingly smaller. 

In any case, there are at least two common arrangements for dorm room
arrangement: single (or double) rooms with no bathroom, or a "suite"
which is two rooms with a bathroom (and perhaps shower) between them.
Generally, dorm rooms do not contain kitchens.

Students living in dorms, generally do not do thier own cooking, but
eat in a cafeteria.  In large dorms, there may be a cafeteria in the
dorm itself.  Other campus have cafeteria facilities separate from the
dorms.

>waitinglists for this dorm are very long (about 3 years I have heard...).
I suspose this depends a bit on the University and its location.  But
I've never heard of three year waiting lists for dorm rooms; that
simply wouldn't be practical for most students: students don't start
making serious college plans until their last (senior) year in
high-school (12th grade).  If it took three years to get a dorm room,
students would have to figure out where they were going to school in
the 9th or 10th grade.  And after three years of college, most
students will be close to being done with school.  College seniors
aren't likely to want to move from their current domicile (probably an
off-campus appartment) to a dorm room they signed up for three years
ago.  Finally, with the current dearth of students these days, many
colleges have so many empty dorm rooms they are using them for
conference centers and the like.

   Dan
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Suresh.Agarwal@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Suresh Agarwal)
Subject: Info on Germany
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:37:28 GMT

Hi Netters, I will be visiting Germany, end of this year and I
was wondering if this newsgroup could provide me some more
insight into Germany.

I am also seeking some pen pals from Germany to learn more about the
German society and culture.  Thanx..
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From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.174854.3371@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>In article <18466.2a9df70b@levels.unisa.edu.au> etad@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.234246.7745@dgbt.doc.ca>, ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes: 
>
>Why not read a little yourself?  Poland's many anti-Semites certainly didn't
>oppose the German murder of their fellow citizens, and indeed quite a few                                                
>actually assisted in the effort.  Resistance to the Holocaust existed in
>many countries; there was very little of that sort of thing in Poland.
>
>Roger
>
>

  You did it again !  What do you mean by "quite a few" ?  Could
post some examples of "resistance to the Holocaust [...] in many
countries", what "very little" means and what do YOU mean
by "that sort of things" ?  How much do you know about Nazi's
policies in the occupied countries ?  Where they uniform ?
Could you name countries which were German allies during WWII ?
Countries with collaborating goverments ??

  Could you be more specific in your letters and could you reveal
the source of your knowledge ??
               
                                     P.Penczek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: planius@ips105.desy.de (P. Lanius)
Subject: Re: Die STASI ist schuld !!!!!
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:02:14 GMT

<THOMAS.92Sep4191533@beat.aic.co.jp> Thomas writes:
   Du  machst  es Dir aber   offensichtlich auch nicht  schwerer  mit der
   Analyse als das genannte Skandalblatt. Es  ist immerhin eine Tatsache,
   dass sie Stasi  sehr wohl Einfluss  auf die  Entwicklung  der  rechten
   Szene hatte. Naemlich erstens  indem unter dem alten System Widerstand
   provoziert  wurde (viele Soehne  von  Stasi- und Armeeoffizieren haben
   eine Skinheadkarriere  gemacht aus Protest)   und zweitens indem jetzt
   alle Mittel recht sind,   den  (neuen alten) Staat anzuschwaerzen  und
   soziale Unruhe zu schueren.
   Also ich sehe schon  einen  Zusammenhang...


Mit dem ersten Punkt hast Du sicherlich recht. Und das es einen Zusammen-
hang gibt, ist auch unbestritten, so wie es auch einen Zusammenhang
zwischen dem Fluegelschlag eines Schmetterlings in Japan und dem Wetter
in Deutschland gibt :-) Aber an den aktiven Einfluss der Stasi
_als existierende Organisation_ auf die Rostocker Krawalle, daran glaube
ich nicht so recht. Sicherlich sind die meisten ehemaligen MfS-Mitarbeiter
alles andere als gut auf die neue Ordnung zu sprechen, sei es, dass sie aus
Ueberzeugung bei der Stasi waren oder sei es deshalb, dass sie jetzt von
vielen (allen?) Jobs praktisch ausgeschlossen sind oder von 800(?) Mark
Stasi-Rente leben muessen, also einfach einen riesigen sozialen Abstieg
gemacht haben. Ergibt sich daraus nicht automatisch eine soziale Unruhe?

Noch einmal, ich stimme Dir zu, dass ehem. Stasi-Leute aus oben genannten
Gruenden mit an den Gewaltaetigkeiten beteiligt waren, ich zweifle aber
eine organisatorische oder leitende Rolle der Stasi, so wie sie vom innen-
politischen Sprecher der CDU/CSU Bundestagsfraktion unterstellt wurde, an.

Peter
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From: aswx266@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke)
Subject: Re: Die STASI ist schuld !!!!!
Keywords: BILD
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:35:08 GMT

In article <PLANIUS.92Sep3092811@ips104.desy.de> planius@ips104.desy.de (P. Lanius) writes:
>Ein Glueck, dass wir die BILD-Zeitung haben. Sonst haetten wir vielleicht
>nie erfahren, wer die wahren Drahtzieher der Krawalle von Rostock sind. 
>Warum ich da auch nicht gleich drauf gekommen bin :-) Die Stasi also war
>es und ich hatte doch wirklich einen Moment lang daran geglaubt, dass es
>in Deutschland eine (organisierte) rechtsradikale Szene gibt...
>Da die Stasi ja bekanntlich auch an allen Negativ-Folgen der Wiederver-
>einigung schuld ist, koennen wir beruhigt zur Tagesordnung uebergehen und
>das Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz braucht sein rechtes Auge nicht zu
>oeffnen.
>
>Stinksauer,
>Peter
>--

And a reprint of this message was the only news about Germany I found
this morning in the great Austin American Statesman, which has its
foreign news column somewhere on the back of the classifieds.  So it
ought to be true, eh?  BTW, the AAS is the only local newspaper in Texas' 
capitol.

Michael
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Astronomy, UT Austin, Texas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Bathroom standards
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:23:15 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen) writes:

[...]

>You get get both kinds of toilet bowls in Germany, and it is a matter
>of taste which one you do install. If have actually seen (and used)
>both kinds in various places, and also have lived in places with the
>one kind installed and places with the other.

[...]

Years ago, one of the German professional medical societies strongly
urged people to keep using the flat toilet bowl. The reason was that
according to a study, more than 70% of all bowel diseases were diagnosed
early only because people could look at their stool and notice
abnormalities.

							Michi.
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From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Illiterates:  (was: Re: G
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 


MF>To "recieve" mail ?  How do they keep an illiterate like rpwhite in
MF>college ? Even if you are in the navy, don't they ask you to know how to
MF>spell the simplest words ?

Like "Potato"?

sorry, couldn't resist.

Carl.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer Mechthild FNT)
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:40:49 GMT

Ist eigentlich schon irgendein Politiker oder die Kirche
auf die Idee gekommen, im Osten eine Jugendarbeit aufzubauen?
Und gibt es dort Sportvereine, oder ueberhaupt Vereine?
Ich hatte gehoert, dass in Lichtenhagen (Rostock) und anderswo im Osten
die DDR-Jugendklubs ohne Ersatz geschlossen wurden,
und dass sich viele Jugendliche aus reiner Langeweile 
den Gewalttaetigkeiten anschliessen.

Man bedenke auch, dass der Nazismus und die heutigen rechtsextremen Bewegungen
Koerperertuechtigung sehr hoch stellen,
und deswegen anziehend wirken koennen.
Sport kann man aber auch ideologiefrei anbieten.
Vielleicht lenkt das die Gewalttaetigkeit in andere Bahnen.

Speziell las ich mal von Sozialarbeit mit Skinheads,
die darin bestand, mit ihnen in die Berge zu fahren, 
Fallschirmspringerkurse zu veranstalten, usw.
Einige nahmen danach Vernunft an
und sagten, frueher haetten sie Gewalt nur gesucht, weil da was los war.

Mechthild Stoer

Mechthild.Stoer@nta.no    oder   stoer@sc.zib-berlin.de
From: tcg@mayo.edu (Dr. Thomas Gerber,A1 Plummer,4-9470)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Apple-wine
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:32:26 GMT
Reply-To: tcg@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Graduate School / Mayo Foundation Rochester MN

In article 19923@wam.umd.edu, buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>If it is "Apfelkorn" you are looking for, it IS available in larger U.S.
>cities.  I have found it in the Washington D.C. area in a couple of 
>different places.  
>
>I would suggest going to a place that specializes in imported wines/beers/
>liquors, for often they can track such things down and order them , even
>if they aren't in stock.  
>
>Liquor stores near large military bases can also work, as many G.I.'s come
>back from Europe with a taste for such things.
>
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>University of Maryland    "Yeeehaaa!" - Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove"   
>College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous 


NO, NO, NO! It's not "Apfelkorn" he's looking for. Just drink a bottle of either
and you'll know the difference. "Apfelkorn" belongs the species of liquor that is
known as "schnapps" in the U.S. whereas "Apfelwein" (to my knowledge) is a sort of
cider (Most) which is comparatively low in alcohol.

I am afraid true "Aeppelwoi" will be quite difficult to get ahold of in the U.S. I've
never seen any in a liquor store. But then again, I haven't really looked for it ...

Good luck!

                          -tcg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: olav@chamber.in-berlin.de (Olav Surawski)
Subject: Offener Brief an den Bundeskanzler (Rostock)
Organization: Zombie's Burial Chamber, Berlin, West Germany.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:36:42 GMT



                              Oberlin - Seminar
                              Evangelische Fachschule fuer Sozialpaedagogik
                              Berufsfachschule fuer Sozialwesen 
                              Auguste-Viktoria-Strasse 74.
                              W-1000 Berlin 33
                              Telefon: (030) 826 37 57 . 825 85 53

                              
                                                   Berlin den, 26.08.1992

                            Offener Brief 
                          ##################


        An 
        Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl,
        Bundestagsfraktion der CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, Gruene/Buendnis 90, PDS
        Bundesinnenminister Rudolf Seiters,
        Presse, Rundfunk und Fernsehen


        Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

        Wir - Studierende, Schueler und Dozenten des Oberlin-Seminars,
        Evangelische Fachschule fuer Sozialpaedagogik ,
        und Berufsfachschule fuer Sozialwesen - 
        sind bestuerzt und schockiert ueber die brutalen Uebergriffe
        von Rechtsradikalen auf das Asylbewerberheim-Lichtenhagen
        sowie anderer Asylbewerberheimen.
        Wir verurteilen die Ausschreitungen auf das schaerfste,
        und fordern politische Konsequenzen zu ziehen.
        
        Die Ueberfalllenden Menschen haben das gleiche Recht auf koerperliche
        Unversehrtheit, wie alle anderen Menschen in diesem Staate auch.
        Dieses Recht ist mit allen rechtstaatlichen Mitteln durchzusetzen.

        Es geht nicht nur um das Ansehen dieses Staates in der
        Weltoeffentlichkeit, sondern um die Wahrung unserer Demokratie.

        Unsere Vergangenheit zeigt sehr deutlich, dass tatenloses Zusehen
        bei Menschenrechtsverletzungen verhehrende Folgen hat.
        Jeder Verletzte Mensch ist ein Verletzter zuviel.
        Durch Uebergriffe auf Asylbewerber, sind  unsere Menschenrechte 
        eingeschraenkt. Asylrecht ist Menschenrecht.


        In Vertretung



                    SchuelerInnen         Studierende

                    Kl 11.B              Olav Surawski


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From: pfeiffer@cict.fr (Daniel Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Deutsch sein ...
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:48:12 GMT
Organization: Instituto de Reser^cado pri Informadiko de Tuluzo (IRIT)
	      Universitato Paul Sabatier
X-Accent-Convention: ^c ^u
Reply-Languages: Esperanto, Deutsch, Francais, English

Deutsch sein
Nie wieder stolz sein
...
Scham f"ur mein Land

So sang vor gut zehn Jahren die Gruppe ``Nichts'' in trauriger
Vorraussicht, auch wenn die Namen Hoyerswerda und Rostock ihnen
vielleicht kein Begriff waren.
From: simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:20:46 GMT
	<1992Aug24.204515.26404@sco.com>
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: jimmo@sco.COM's message of 24 Aug 92 20:45:15 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 6758979b0d71c9562e3b6836b9018d2b

In article <1992Aug24.204515.26404@sco.com> jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr) writes:

   (Eine Arbeitskollegin hilft ab und zu bei PLUS).
					     ^^^^
Ist das die gemeinnuetzige Aktion "Prima Lesen Und Schreiben" ?
:-)
-- 
Simon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.073527.3523@fuw.edu.pl>, michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.164051.28173@ichips.intel.com> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:

> >To cite another, in "Shoah" one Jewish survivor recounts how Polish farmers
> >outside Treblinka used to taunt passing trainloads of Jews by drawing
> >their fingers across their throats to make the throat-cutting gesture. 
 
> I've seen the film "Shoah" and I've seen it in the original Polish
> version, i.e., not deformed by bad translation. I remember perfectly
> the gesture you refer to. It was a warning to people being deported
> to the Nazi camp, which meant to say "Run away! They're gonna kill
> you there!"


That claim about the intent of the gestures is in the English version as 
well.  It is subsequently refuted by one of the survivors from the trains.
Perhaps this and other unpleasant references were deleted from the Polish
version you saw.


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