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From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: 030 Accelerators for the SE?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:57:12 GMT

I will recommend the NewLife products. I used a CPU upgrade to make a
512Ke a System 7.01v1.1.1, 2.5 MB RAM using 256kb SIMMs and a SCSI port.

Waiting for a 25MHz w/o 882 to install in a clients SE with 2 page
Ehman monitor. This requires aSE/30 chassis upgrade for a better slot
pass through I think - cost about $12 for this part.

Use 70ns 1 MB or 4MB SIMMs with the latest configuration of NwLife board!

Dale 
parkyn@sfu.ca
PS: external monitor requires NewLife video card too!
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

daver@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Ruby) writes:
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>>    There is no sound-out port on either the Plus or the SE.
>>    Well, the SE/30, IIcx and IIci do not have sound-out ports. But for
>>the others, there is a sound out port. 

>I'm sitting next to a SE/30, and actually using a IIci that have what
>look like headphone jacks on the back with a little sound icon above
>it.  I'm pretty sure my SE at home has this too.  
>Are these not sound-out ports?  If not, what are they for?  I've
>never used them, but felt warm inside knowing I could hook up stereo
>speakers to them at a later date if I wanted.

    Yeah, I knew I wasn't making myself clear about this, sorry for
that. Yes there is a headphone jack on the older macs, and I'm pretty
sure that it is a mono output jack that works just like the internal
speaker. What I should have been saying was that these macs, with the
headphone jacks, do not have direct sound-in ports as thoush macs with
microphones do. And while it is possible to connect a set of speakers to
the headphone jack, it is not a stereo sound-out port.

>>    All macs introduced since the IIsi and the LC have the same sound
>>capabilites, mono input and stereo output.

>I've never used either, so I'm curious.  Does this mean there are two
>speakers and games or other cleverly written software will do real
>stereo sound (cool echoes, etc)?  

    No. See I was still not making myself clear... All of the macs that
come with a microphone have ports for mono sound input and stereo sound
output.  They only come with one internal speaker (mono only,
obviously), so if you have a game with stereo sound and you want to take
advantage of this you will need to connect stereo speakers to the
sound-out port.
    I hope this makes a little more sense, and I'm pretty sure that what
I have stated above is correct, or at least this is what I remember from
readin all of those write-ups and spec sheets when the "sound capable
macs" were introduced.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: Pin-out for Mac DB-25 port wanted
Originator: clf3678@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:27:52 GMT

I'm in need for two bits of info on Mac SCSI stuff:


1) Could somebody please tell me where I can buy a 25-50 SCSI cable
for the Mac?  I looked through a few mags, but didn't see anybody
advertising them.

2) Does anybody out there have the pinouts for the DB-25 SCSI port on the
back of my Mac Classic II?  I need to make a cable for an external hard
drive rack.

Thanks much for the info!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Subject: RE: Accelerator card for Mac SE
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:30:34 GMT

Look at the Novy Quick 30.  I feel it's the best deal out there, and plan on
getting one in the near future.  $525 for 25Mhz w/FPU.  16Mb RAM capable, and
uses the motherboard RAM as a RAMDisk.











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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 14:26:55 -0400 
From: Wen Tai Tan <wt00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Help Me Install SIMMs!!

Does anyone know how to install 4 4meg SIMMs into a 5/80 ci? The May
issue of MacWorld explains it somewhat but....I remember someone saying
that they screwed up the banks (Bank A was actually bank B?). Could
someone clarify this?

MacWorld also says that Bank A shares memory addresses with the built-in
video RAM, thus SIMMs of 2MB or greater will slow down the built-in
video.It this true? Does that mean I have to install my SIMMs in Bank B?
I'm using the built-in video.

Thanks in advance.......


-Wen
-wt00@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sangers@nat.vu.nl (Mark Sangers)
Subject: Refilling StyleWriter Cartridges: your experiences please
Organization: Fac. Natuurkunde en Sterrenkunde, VU, Amsterdam
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:44:10 GMT


Does anybody has good experiences with refilling
stylewriter cartridges? I filled two empty cartridges,
but it was very hard to get them printing again,
and the printing is diturbed in vertical way.
(A new cartridge works fine in the same stylewriter)
With my refilling activities I used the report from
sumex/report/ about refilling.

Please send your report to sangers@nat.vu.nl
When enough response I will report to this newsgroup.

Mark O. Sangers	
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
Department of Physics and Astronomy
e-mail		: sangers@nat.vu.nl
From: wud@acf5.NYU.EDU (David C. Wu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Is the Stylewriter good for personal use (?)
Keywords: stylewriter, home
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:32:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New York University, New York

>I got it.  Great printout.  Very small foot print (much smaller than
>HP.  As fast as the HP with the latest drivers (7.2.2?).  Three 
>forms of paper handling.  Envelope printing is a snap.

>Problems?  The ink is not waterproof.  HP's is better.  Supposedly
>the third party refills are good but I have not tried them.
I have a stylewriter and I am using something called the 'Indelible INL
Refill' for the Apple Stylewriter made by Graphic Utilities which is a 
water proof refill ink and it works very well.  The printouts are very nice and
waterproof!  You cannot smear the ink with your fingers after it is dry.
I am very happy with it.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: 16" monitors and built in video
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.143358.8605@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> joel@writer.yorku.ca (Joel Atkin) writes:
>
>What is the maximum screen depth I can get on a 16" color monitor with
>my LC's built in video (assuming I get the extra VRAM).  The reason I
>ask is that I want atleast 8-bit video, but want to keep the slot
>empty for the future.

Well, technically the answer to your question (taken literally) is 
"16-bits." However, I think you're implying that you want
approximately WYSIWYG resolution on the 16-inch monitor.  The LC
and LCII simply don't support resolutions other than 512x384 (at
up to 16 bits-per-pixel) and 640x480 (at up to 8 bits-per-pixel).
Those are resolutions typical of 12" and 13" monitors,
respectively.  The only thing you could do with a 16" monitor and
the built-in video on the LC/LCII is display a blown-up 512x384 or
640x480 image.  Even that is impossible unless you use a multisync
16" monitor, so there's no way *at all* to use Apple's 16" monitor
(since it's not multisync).
  

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From: ebido@bio.vu.nl (Etienne Bido)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Help... weird bugs...
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:55:02 GMT
Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

mlaurenc@world.std.com (Matt Laurence) writes:
: Help, oh help!
: 
: I am running a Mac IIcx under system 7.0xx whatever the latest 
: freeware upgrade and tuner are. I also am running  a Daystar
: 50 mhz accelerator with FPU, and a dgr 128 meg optical cart.
: drive. None of this may matter, though. The problem is that
: when I go to optimize my drive in MacTools (latest v.), it tells
: me it can't because there are major errors in my catalog. So I
: go to fix them with MacTools, and it tells me it CAN'T fix the
: errors in my catalog structure, missing bundle bits, all kind of
: little things. As a result, my drive is massively unoptimized
: and seemingly unrepairable. Any ideas? Would reinstalling the
: system help me out? Anything else? I don't think it's software
: conflicts, nor does the Daystar board cause any problems that
: I can pin down, nor the DGR software. Any ideas would be helpful...
: I don't want to have to trash everything and reload from the last
: backup (*gulp*, a month ago... shame on me).
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: Matt
:

Have you tried rebuilding the desktop of your optical first and 
then optimizing? Or try Norton Utilities 2.0, which I think is
much better.

Etienne
 
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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: GV Powerort Gold in Duo?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:05:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: nick@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu



People:

   Any guesses on whether you can put a global village powerport gold
modem in a Duo 230 or 210?

                                     Nick

  
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From: johnwitt@engin.umich.edu (John P Wittkoski )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: ** Hard drive in Classic II mounted UPSIDE-DOWN?!? **
Keywords: Mac, Classic, Hard drive
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:12:46 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep28.165041.16380@ultb.isc.rit.edu> clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser) writes:
>Last night, I get up the courage to open up my Classic II and take a
>look inside.
>
>Imagine my astonishment when I find that the 40MB hard drive in my
>Classic II is actually mounted UPSIDE-DOWN!
>
>If memory serves, running a hard drive upside-down voids the warranty on
>the hard drive.  From the looks of it, this is NOT a mistake.  The
>bracket is apparently designed to allow the hard drive to mounted in
>only the one (WRONG) orientation.  
>
>The drive is mounted above the floppy, but there is plenty of room to
>run the hard drive in its proper orientation.
>
>Has anybody else who has looked inside of a Classic II seen this?  I
>can't believe that Apple would actually do something so grossly wrong
>inside of a machine that costs $1200.  As soon as I find an external
>case, that hard drive is coming OUT and run in its proper orientation.
>Anybody have an exteral case they want to sell?  I'm serious.....
>
>Shame on you Apple!  You certainly should know better.
>

Well, it depends. On older drives, this occasionally causes a problem.
However, it does not on most new drives. I know because we install new
hard drives for PCs, Macs, and Unix machines all the time, and the
orientation does not matter.
I've never heard of a manufacturer voiding a warranty because of this. (How
would they know, anyway?)
Plus, how do you know what "proper" is? Are you assuming that simply
because the PC board is on a certain side, that that is the "top", or
"bottom"? It may not be the way you assume.

        --John Wittkoski
          University of Michigan
          johnwitt@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: afrancke@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: SE to SE/30: Worth It?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:13:30 PDT

> Both the IIsi and the SE/30 use the same 030 processor. Why do you 
> expect that one will update a 13" screen at 256 colors faster than
> the other updating a 9" B&W screen?
> What? Micron 030 card in the SE/30?
> Man, if you start adding things, then, let me add a video card
> to my IIsi and then we'll talk.

All right, add a video card to your IIsi. I'd conservatively estimate $150 for
the NuBus slot adapter + FPU, then $250 for a video card. Total: $40

 
>>3) Mathematica 2.0 Test: Whoops, don't even try this one on the IIsi, unless of
>>course, you bought an FPU!
>>
> The SE/30 has an FPU doesn't it? So why not add one to the IIsi?
> Everybody knows that an FPU improves performance orders of magnitude.
> Apple just made the IIsi more flexible, accomodating people that
> don't use Mathmatica, for example. If you do, just buy a FPU. The
> total price for the IIsi is still less than what the SE/30 sold for.

All right, we've added the FPU

> Apple did cut prices, but not performance.
> The CPU is faster (20MHz versus 16MHz).
> The HD is faster. More RAM. 

I don't know where you get the idea that one Quantum LPS80 is faster than
another. Also, more RAM? How do you figure? The si only has one meg built in,
and four slots. Today, you can easily put 128 megs of RAM in an SE/30. You can
only put 65 in an si.

> The monitor is bigger and supports color! How much would you have
> to spend to get your SE/30 to display color?

Look, you have to spend extra for the monitor, so here's the total cost of the
extras for the IIsi that you've suggested:

FPU+640x480x8 Video Board+El Cheapo Monitor = $800

Now, for the SE/30:

Video Board+El Cheapo Monitor = $700

Now, when you consider that the base price for a used IIsi box with LESS ram
than an SE/30, both without hard drives is $1300, vs. $900, there is a rather
large cost difference, plus consider that for most people upgrading, it's still
cheaper to NOT buy a IIsi. Why the hell would you buy a IIsi, when you could bu
y a IIci, which is at least 30% faster for about $300 more, and you don't have
to buy the FPU for this one, either.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Re: ** Hard drive in Classic II mounted UPSIDE-DOWN?!? **
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:45:26 GMT

C.L. Freemesser (clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
: Last night, I get up the courage to open up my Classic II and take a
: look inside.

Unbelievable.. and you're whining about Apple voiding hard drive
warranties, even if they were..

: Imagine my astonishment when I find that the 40MB hard drive in my
: Classic II is actually mounted UPSIDE-DOWN!
: 
: If memory serves, running a hard drive upside-down voids the warranty on
: the hard drive.  From the looks of it, this is NOT a mistake.  The
: bracket is apparently designed to allow the hard drive to mounted in
: only the one (WRONG) orientation.  

WRONG... On EVERY 3.5" drive I have ever seen, there has NEVER been any
problem with mounting the drive in ANY orientation...

In fact, mounting the drive "upside-down" is a damn good idea given the
miniaturization of components on the PCB, they get a lot hotter and it's
better to have heat going into open space than onto the drive mechanism..

: Has anybody else who has looked inside of a Classic II seen this?  I
: can't believe that Apple would actually do something so grossly wrong
: inside of a machine that costs $1200.  As soon as I find an external
: case, that hard drive is coming OUT and run in its proper orientation.
: Anybody have an exteral case they want to sell?  I'm serious.....

And you're going to use proper ESD precautions when you remove the drive,
etc...  :)

: Shame on you Apple!  You certainly should know better.

Oh, please.. and you know better than Apple, of course... 

Have a nice day

Ken
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From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 68050
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 09:18:56 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

eric@telebit.com (Eric Smith) writes:

ES> This was the first chip in the i960 family, and may be what 
ES> is now called the i960MX. 
                      ^^^^^^

are you sure that's not the designation for Intel's company radio station?

:-)
 
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From: tom@brtph39.BNR.CA (Tom Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: StyleWriter Flakiness
Keywords: StyleWriter
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:13:17 GMT
Reply-To: tom.brown@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Inc. -- RTP, NC

Has anyone seen or heard of (and know the solution to)
the following problem:

Over 90% of the time my StyleWriter stops printing with
a message saying that the carriage is jammed. After clearing
the dialog and doing nothing with the printer, the paper
will eject and I can start printing again (from scratch).
I can only get 3-4 pages printed before this happens. I have
followed the directions in the booklet and it is clean inside.
The paper is good stock and shows no crinkling, shredding or
other defects before or after printing. Its bad enough that the
printer is so slow, but I don't want to have to babysit and
restart printing every few pages. Running Finder 6.1.7 and System
6.0.7. It is about a year old and has been doing it for about
that long. I just haven't had much to print until now. Help!!!
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: WANTED: portable printer for powerbook
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:10:39 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Oct1.064217.27016@leland.Stanford.EDU> lagonda@leland.Stanford.EDU (Bobby Liao) writes:


>	What (battery-powered) portable printers are
>	available for the PowerBooks?  Prices and
>	recommendations are greatly appreciated!

GCC just released the WriteMove II. A battery powered InkJet designed with
the PowerBook in mind (same color even).

-G
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From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: New Mac Price Cuts
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:08:05 NZDT
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

janolov@cdg.chalmers.se (Jan-Olov Lantto) writes:
> In article <10554@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> cr@cs.strath.ac.uk (Chris Reid)
> writes:
>>Does anybody know whether Apple plan to cut prices in the UK as well?
>>
> I do not know about Apple UK, but Apple Sweden cut its prices last week by
> 10-35 %.

They've just dropped (or are about to drop) up to 25% in NZ.

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University of Otago,            Phone: +64 3 479-8179
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From: arnold@violet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Info on Floptical Drives Anyone?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:46:41 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: us
NNTP-Posting-Host: lew1mac34.cchem.berkeley.edu

If anyone has info or comments on 21mb floptical drives, I'd be grateful if
you'd let me know.  I'm interested in buying one, but I have no idea about
which one is the best, how reliable they are relative to the usual floppies or
hard drives, etc.  Thanks for your help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: fjohnson@nmsu.edu (Fred Johnson)
Subject: Net booting diskless Macs...?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:27:19 GMT


Hello all.....

I have heard that you can net boot Macs.  Does anyone have the
specifics?  

I think Ethernet cards and third party rom's are involved.  I have 20
or so Mac SE/30's that don't have hard drives; only FDHD floppies.

Any help/suggestions are welcomed.  Here or by email.

Thanks.......

--
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New Mexico State University,  Computing Services/CANTO,
Box 30001/Dept.3AT, Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001,  Phone: (505) 646-5381
From: shawn@cars.com (Shawn Connelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SE/30 Having Trouble Booting
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 11:56:48 EDT
Organization: Connelly Automation Research and Services
Reply-To: shawn@cars.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1

I'm having some trouble booting my SE/30 on the first try. It comes
up with the question disk. If I reboot the machine, everything works
fine.

Anybody out there know what the problem is? I have an two year old
80Mb Quantum drive, and would be suspicious, if it never came up, but
it always comes up on the second try.

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mac9067@cs.rit.edu (Mark Collien)
Subject: Re: Need to Build Cable Between Video Deck and Macintosh
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:05:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.115504.11055@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz
(Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) wrote:
(stuff deleted)

Another option, espcially if you need to mess with lots of different
serial devices is to get a "smart cable"  that automatically configures
itself based on the signals coming from the devices.  You just plug the
devices into to the connectors and watch the lights go.  In some cases I
have to mess with a couple switches.  Fancier models are totally automatic.
 It also displays the configuration so you  can either build the cable or
just leave the smart cable plugged in if it's only a temporary connection.
Best $150 I ever spent for for toolbox.
I got mine from: (Model SC821PLUS)

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