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From: heiss@gdc.com (Mark Heiss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Thurl Ravenscroft
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: heiss@gdc.com
Organization: General DataComm, Middlebury CT


Okay, this isn't strictly a Disney-related post, but then again "How the 
Grinch Stole Christmas" isn't either, so here goes...

In addition to Thurl Ravenscroft's various renditions for Disney ("Grim
Grinning Ghosts", and *I think* miscellaneous pirate characters in POTC),
and the Tony-the-Tiger "They're GRRRRREAT!" role, and the previously mentioned
singer in the Grinch special, I know of a few more appearances;

Around 1952 Mr. Ravenscroft appeared as part of the singing group "The Mello
Men" for Spike Jones and his City Slickers recording of the EP "Bottoms Up".
"Bottoms Up" is a medley of internationally flavored polkas (I'm not kidding).
Spike Jones, of course, is the bandleader of the 40's and 50's responsible
for the classic novely songs "Der Feuher's Face", "Cocktails for Two", "All
I Want for Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth", and many others.

Mr. Ravenscroft returned several years later for additional appearances with Spike Jones. Most notably, he appeared on the record "Spike Jones - A Spooktacular". This record was a halloween flavored LP which relies heavily of the voice talents of Paul Frees (another Disney veteran). Included on this album is a track called "I Was a Teenage Brain Surgeon" sung by Mr. Ravenscroft. This track is quite good but the 
entire record has been unavailable for many years. He also appeared on the album 
"Spike Jones Presents 60 Years of Music America Hates Best" singing a rock-and-roll number called "Pimples and Braces", which is reminiscent of the classic "Tequila". 

Available as a CD through Rhino Records is the Spike Jones' album "Dinner Music
for People Who Aren't Very Hungry". This 1959 record contains a western ballad
called "Wyatt Earp Makes Me Burp" sung by Mr. Ravenscroft. Before you run out
and buy this album, though, be advised that this is not his best work.

Here are some questions that I have...

1) Is Thurl Ravenscroft still alive (I assume so, since Tony-the-Tiger
   still sounds pretty good on the commercials), and where does he reside
   (Mr. Ravenscroft, NOT Tony-the-Tiger)?

2) Can anyone think of any other roles or appearances by Mr. Ravenscroft?
   In particular - what other Disney rides or attractions use his voice?

3) (extra credit) What is Mr. Ravenscroft's neck size? I figure that with 
   a voice like that, his neck must be about the size of a tree trunk.

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From: stewart@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney video releases in the Netherlands
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:16:06 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Nov10.110730.22379@cs.ruu.nl>, hansb@cs.ruu.nl (Hans Bodlaender) writes:
>                 Donald in Math-magic-country (?)
> 			  (`Donald in Rekenwonderland' in Dutch)
> 
> The latter seemed not very appealing to me - does anybody know whether it is
> nice?
> 

Yes, Donald in Mathemagicland is quite nice. I saw it probably 3 times growing up
in school. I really enjoyed it and would like to find a copy for myself here in
the states. I'm probably biased towards mathematical things,
but I always looked forward to seeing it when I was in grade school. 

-- 
Daniel Stewart
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From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:29:32 GMT


Hey!  My turn.  I think we need another group:
rec.arts.disney.specifically.pornographic.in.nature

cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:

>Disney is secular (as far as I can tell), so I don't see how
>religion plays a part in this argument.

Hear hear.  Otherwise it'd be just like (wait for it!)
say, Iraq, where religion is supposed to dominate everything.
We wouldn't like that to happen to your wonderful nation, now, would we?
(NB.  That was tongue in cheek.  Flames on it go straight
to my account -we don't want to chew up bandwidth like I'm doing
here. . .)

>The 1st Amendment is *not* absolute.  If it was, would it mean that
>someone could run around naked at a public park yelling profane
>words at the top of his/her lungs?

It's always fun to see people (especially those from the US as they
have it forced into them at a very early age) touting the First
Amendment as their right to do anything they like.  Let me give some
examples:  Libel, Slander, Plagiarism and/or Copyright violation,
Saying things that "put national security at risk" (I personally love
that one).  No way is "free speech" absolute.  Don't ever think it is.
(I'm not saying any of these apply to the lyrics in question, by the way.)

(It sort of reminds me of the line "We're Americans!" in "Spies Like Us",
and particularly the following scene . . .)

>We all have our own expectations of this group.  If some of us
>abhore pornography, we should be able to say so as long as we

 ^^^^^^ a cross between abhor and adore, eh?   :)

>don't get preachy--this unmoderated group carries anything Disney
>related.  I personally hate pornography, and I did not like the parody
>(although it was clever in a way, I'll admit).  But the author did not
>attack anyone, and he clearly warned readers ahead of time.

Well, I *did* read it, so I *do* have an opinion - I'm not just throwing
hot air or the like.  I thought it was this *   * humorous (oh, hell,
have your American spellings, then!) and this *                * tasteless,
but it was this *                                            * appropriate
to the group.  There was a huge disclaimer there - not all disclaimers are
there to make funny .sigs, you know.

I suppose the other thing that the poster could have done was post the lyrics
to some more tasteless group, then announce on r.a.disney that it was there,
and for anyone interested to go and have a look.  That should keep those
sensitive Christian eyes from seeing things they were Not Meant to See,
but still get the message across.  Just a suggestion . . .  IMHO, the
disclaimer is enough.

Tim Pickett

Disclaimer:  The thoughts expressed here do not necessarily represent those
of any other person or organization.

(See?)
From: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Aladdin and Prince Eric
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pony.1992Nov5.161100.27944
Reply-To: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Distribution: na
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Nov4.181623.15536@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hot@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes:
| 
| While walking through the Disney store here in Jersey, I caught a
| glimpse of a promo for "Aladdin," and I immediately thought, Is it
| me, or do Aladdin and Prince Eric (of The Little Mermaid) look like
| long lost twins?  The resemblance was amazing.  Anybody else think so?  


I guess they're the same actor, right ?

	Tom

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From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Black Cauldron
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:21:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov9.041158.6408@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>jtenuta@zeus.calpoly.edu  writes:
> 
>I'll check a super-secret database that only librarians know about.
>I think Disney is embarassed about this movie.  I have not seen it, but the
>reason that Disney now uses screenplays while animating is because of the 
>cost over-runs of the Black Cauldron.  Also, this just doesn't strike me as a
>"Disney movie".  
>
>Torsten at Omaha	

The Black Cauldron appears in Leonard Maltin's 1992 Movie and Video
Guide.  I believe that the book only contains information on movies
that have appeared in the home, whether on video or on television.
TBC is not out on video, the Guide says.  More specifically, TBC's
listing lacks the little video symbol most of the films have.  If
someone finds a copy, it is very likely an illegal dub from a video
source I know nothing about (could it have appeared on the Disney
Channel?).

TBC was a financial embarassment if anything.  The story, well, it
does have something.  The animation was very lavish, as far as I can
remember--nothing to be ashamed about.  I agree, it really didn't seem
like a Disney movie.


- Robert Cook
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: XMAS SPECIALS STUFF
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:19:20 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Nov3.144750.1@acme.claremont.edu> greg@acme.claremont.edu (Tigger) writes:
>In article <92308.095633WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> 
>> I thought this was a Disney news group not a discussion group for claymation
>> and such.  Maybe you'd like to carry this conversation regarding Christmas
>> specials to a more appropriate group?
>
>Okay, I can understand your objection to the obscene parody lyrics that
>were posted, even though I don't agree.  But this is going too damn far.
>This group is not moderated, and if you want to play net.cop, go do it
>in some more appropriate group.  We discuss whatever we want here, and if
>we happen to go off subject now and again, fine.  If you don't like it,
>put the thread in your kill file.  Judging by the volume of that thread,
>you're just about the only one who objects.
>
Well, no, but "wtq" was the only one who noticed.  He/She is correct.
This should not continue on the Disney Newsgroup as it has NOTHING to do
with Disney.  Let's move it over to rec.arts.tv or rec.arts.animation!

Jevo
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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Saban's Mermaid vs. Disney's version
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.100321.2613@u.washington.edu>, mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "Apple Lady" Lockner) writes:
> With all the comparisons flying around this newsgroup between Saban's
> version, Disney's version, and what about the Hanna-Barbera version???,
   I am interested in hearing more about Hanna-Barbera's version.
Is this a movie or series? Is it any good?


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From: Ed.Sterrett@f166.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Xmas Tv That We All U
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 21:42:05 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/166

 MW> >  To be picky, they are NOT claymation.  The technology has some other
 MW> >name - stop motion or something like that.
 MW> Stop-motion animation or its official name "Animagic".  I thought, howeve
 MW> that claymation was just another way to describe the same thing?
 
Animagic is, quite simply, stop-motion with a twist or two.  
Claymation is almost the same, but adds some more versatility to the 
characters, etc.  Stop-motion uses "hard" objects, moved slightly and 
photographed frame by frame.  Claymation is basically the same 
process, using clay (easier to change/modify/squish) rather than the 
"hard" objects (which can only be moved)
 
 
 
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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Saban's The Little Mermaid
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:12:18 GMT

In article <1d54bvINNnq3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
> I know there are a few more mistakes, but I can't think of specifics
> right now.  I'll have to watch my tape again.
> (Although I love Disney movies dearly, my friends and I have a lot of
> fun trying to pick out all the errors we can.  It's sort of like a 
> game.  TLM has a relatively high number of mistakes compared to the 
> other Disney flicks I've seen.  Of course, I've watched it enough to
> be able to get every single solitary last detail, while my other tapes
> haven't been subjected to that kind of scrutiny yet.  Does anyone else
> do this, or am I just weird?  I know the answer to that, BTW, so don't
> bother posting it.)
   Yes, with "Saban's Adventures of The Little Mermaid" (the series).
You'll love Saban's series, it has many more mistakes to find (from
what I hear about Disney's movie)! :-)  And no fair using the Mistakes
section from my detailed episode guide! :-)  I have watched some
sequences something like three dozen times (like the scene where Justin
frees Marina and then makes up with her in "A Case Of Mistaken Identity").
It is amazing that it wasn't until near the last few times that I noticed
some obvious mistakes (such as Marina's wreath kept disappearing)!


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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:28:47 GMT

lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:


>The direction of the slashes on the Beast's picture caught my eye as
>well, but I think it actually works out right.  Remember that the picture
>was slanted when Beast claws it, and it was straight when Belle saw it.  
>I'll have to watch my tape again (oh, darn) to be sure.  I didn't notice 
>the bit about the bell jar but I'll watch for it next time.  I also did
>notice the constant changes of the bimbettes' hairstyles.  
>-- 
>"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
>						---Proverbs


That occurred to me, too, but on a second viewing is seemed like the slash
was still closer to the opposite diagonal than to the proper one...ah well,
let future generations of historians decide.


-- Andy Ihnatko
   andyi@world.std.com
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From: hansb@cs.ruu.nl (Hans Bodlaender)
Subject: Disney video releases in the Netherlands
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:07:30 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

Just for those who might find this interesting:

This autumn, there were several new video releases of Disney movies etc.
in the Netherlands.
(I'm not sure always about the correct English titles...)

The most important of these is Cinderella (`Assepoester' in Dutch).
Absolutely wonderfull, but you knew that already!

Others:
Beginning fall: The Great Mouse Detective
End october:    Mickey's christmas (the Christmas Carol story of Dickens)
                       (rerelease)
                The Wind in the Willows
		The Prince and the Beggar (the 25 minutes story before the
			Rescuers down Under, story of Mark Twain)
                Donald in Math-magic-country (?)
			  (`Donald in Rekenwonderland' in Dutch)

The latter seemed not very appealing to me - does anybody know whether it is
nice?

Also:
- Winnie the Pooh's Christmas
- Two videos with episodes of the Gummy Bears
- Three videos with `Sing Along Songs'
                                                
Would anybody know or has a guess what we'll get in spring?

						Hans Bodlaender
						Utrecht, the Netherlands
From: empire@dorm.rutgers.edu (Michael Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Corporate lounges at EPCOT
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:47:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers College, Rutgers University

In article <1df3liINNlgh@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas Matthew Callen) writes:
>From: edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas Matthew Callen)
>Subject: Corporate lounges at EPCOT
>Date: 7 Nov 92 00:46:42 GMT
>
>The Living Seas exhibit at EPCOT has a corporate lounge for employees
>of United Technologies companies.  The lounge offers a relaxing place
>to unwind after fighting the EPCOT crowds all day.  Coffee and other
>drinks are available to the guests as well as a large television and the
>many couches that line the lounge.  When the guests are ready to enter the
>attraction, the receptionist leads them into the first room of the exhibit
>before the outside crowd enters the building.  It sure beats standing in
>line for an hour.  The entrance to the lounge, if I can remember--it has
>been a while since I have been to EPCOT, is right before the entrance to
>the Living Seas restaurant, which by the way is an excellent restaurant.
>
>
I've been in one of these. My dad works for Met Life, who exhibits The 
Body (or something like that), and we got to enter a room like you described 
above. To get in it reminded me of a sort of secret government room. There 
was this tiny door practiclly hidden with a panel next to it. My dad had a 
keycard Metlife gave him which opened the door. The reason it seemed so 
secret was because of the way it was practically hidden, and the door itself 
slid open (kind of like an elevator). I was talking to the secretary in 
there, and it sounds like they even have offices on the floors above. Anyway 
your right it does beat standing in line. Especially for Body Wars which had 
at least an hour wait.


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From: gumby@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Brian Gumminger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:10:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1dm622INNmnc
Distribution: world
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>>In article <BxAyv2.7HD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> summerem@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Erick M. Summers) writes:
>>>	Then in "Be Our Guest" Lumiere states something like "ten years
>>>we've been been rusting."  That means the prince was 11 when he was changed
>>>into the beast and the painting is an exact portrait of the way the prince
>>>looks when he is changed back from a beast and not the way he would have
>>>looked at age eleven.
>>>
>>	The best explanation I've heard is that the beast did not
>>age during the ten years of the spell. The best proof of that is
>>Chip, who can not be more than 10 after he is restored to a
>>child.
>

I think perhaps this problem is based on a faulty assumption, namely that
the portrait is of the prince.  What if the portrait is of say his father?
That would explain the resemblence of the grown up prince to the portrait.
Why did the beast the beast rip the portrait then?  It could in anger that
he felt his father responsible for spoiling him and eventually leading him
to this fate.

This still leaves the problem of Chip though.  Perhaps the enchantress
did not desire to punish the entire household for the prince's actions.  
As a result, they did not age as the prince did.  The household then does
not lose the 10 years of life that the prince does.  To have the household
punished on an equl level with the prince seems pretty unfair to me - even
coming from a slighted enchantress.

Maybe not the best solution, but a workable one.

Dave
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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Where is Disney's Little Mermaid series?
Keywords: mermaid
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:24:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <victoro.721176346@crash.cts.com> victoro@crash.cts.com (Victor O'Rear) writes:
>In San Diego, Disney's Little Mermaid is showing at 6:30am on Saturday on KTTY
>local chanel (independent) 69. The cable guide lists the program as "The Little
>mermaid" not little mermaid and friends.I did see it listed as a CBS prime time
>special which never aired.

I presume Victor means it never aired in SD. CBS definitely did
broadcast it; their local affiliate here in the Bay Area showed it.
(And yes, it did air as a network special, not as a local special.)

I was really surprised when I found out that the local affiliate wasn't 
carrying the entire series. I'll bet there were some angry people after
KPIX teased us and then didn't follow through.


Patty

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From: wass@sics.se (Anders Wass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: monorail FAQ
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:11:00 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
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In article <1992Nov5.081102.1@evax.gdc.com>, sroka@evax.gdc.com writes:
> Anders Wass writes:
> > In article <1992Nov3.161106.21483@csc.ti.com>, holliman@sounder.csc.ti.com (Ed Holliman) writes:
> > 
> > Trivia: What other important system at WDW comes from Sweden?
> > 
> Just a shot-in-the-dark, but how about the AVAC system?

Correct.

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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 10:36:36 -0500 
From: Paul Joseph Mitchell <pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: OK, Here Is A HARDER Trivia Challenge
Distribution: usa

An earlier poster already answered a good portion of these, so I won't
rehash that.  Here are my tries at the ones that haven't yet been
answered:

>6) What is the name of the mill of Tom Sawyer's Island, which sells the
>   "best juice on the river"?
>
Isn't that "Harper's Mill"?
 
>7) What is the name of the merchant at the end of the Jungle Cruise?
>
At WDW, it's Trader Sam...I assume it's the same at Disneyland, too.
  
>10) What is the employee entrance to Disneyland called?
    The best I've got for this one is a guess.  I know that at WDW,
employees can enter the Underground at the Magic Kingdom thru doors
located in the area between Main Street USA and Tomorrowland - an area
that I believe is called M-1.  The Magic Kingdom Security offices are
also located in this area, and there's a parking lot there, too.  Is it
done the same way at Disneyland?

    While we're on the subject of hard trivia questions, how about these:

11.) Name all of Walt's "nine old men."
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