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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Another good reason to vote for Bush
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:34:40 GMT

<Aug.23.22.51.32.1992.18778@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) said:
>In article <1992Aug18.052035.22833@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>
>> The Y chromosome clearly confers unsurpassed wisdom and knowledge.
>> That's why we should listen and obey our men sans questions.
>
>Damned straight!  F***in' hey!  [No smiley, and no joke.]

Geez!  It's back.

>> Similarly, all those female hormones that wash through pre-menopausal
>> women interferes with her clear thinking and right judgement.
>
>And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
>mind.

What's a matter Ted?  Did you happen to look down in your lap and realize you
had nothing to offer?


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), and Diana (Sorceress), 
and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: DearOldDoug Steps out for The cure!!!!
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:57:34 GMT

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> Haven't you learned that a FORCED ORGASM EQUATES WITH SLAVERY??
>> Millions of couples are being ENSLAVED by their PASSIONS into 
>> having FORCED ORGASMS!!  Couples who engage in consensual sexual 
>> intercourse should not be forced to have orgasms against their will!!

> AMEN Brother And PREACH IT!!!!!!
> HeteroSexuality IS CUREABLE!!!!!

> As Long as Hetro's Are Allowed to Wallow in their Sin and Degradation
> what Will Protect the MORALS and SCRUPPLES and WholeSomeFamilyValues!!!!!

> I Agree Brother! OutLaw Hetro's NOW!!!!!
> Its Not enough to "Just Say NO! to Hetro!"
> We Must OUTLAW THEM! We Must Make THEM find The CURE!!!!!

You know, drieux, you haven't been the same since 'Artimus Page'
left the net...

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
"No I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should
they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."  --  George Bush
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Is George running for First Lady?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:03:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <CB.92Aug26135755@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Peter Nelson writes:
>
>    despite many terms as governor of Arkansas, [Clinton's] state
>    is at the bottom of just about every economic, environmental, and
>    educational metric there is.
>
>This argument is a stock Republican line currently.  How does one
>governor change the entire standing of a state?

  Presumably by leadership.  I.e., by recognizing what has to be 
  done and using his constitional and persuasive skills to encourage
  the legislature to take the correct steps.   I wouldn't have
  expected him to push Arkansas from #49 to #2, but I don't think
  it's unreasnable to see *some* nontrivial progress, e.g., #49
  to #40, say.   

  Note that he's running for President because he thinks he can
  do this at the national level.  Nor are the Democrats above
  making the same claims about the Republicans, e.g., "Reagan-
  omics", or blaming Bush for the deficit or the economy, etc.

---peter
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:36:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.182451.15307@kadsma.kodak.com>
pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
 
>
>Precisely. The main argument against the capital gains tax cut isn't that
>it 'benefits the rich'. It is that the tax code shouldn't prefer some sources
>of income to others. It is the job of the market to make these decisions.
>
>Don Pajerek
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.
>
Of course, if you listen to CLinton et al, that's not the argument you
actually hear. The argument given is that it benifits the "rich", i.e.,
anyone with a bank account or a home.
 
The argument given above- that it "favors one source of income" - falls
apart on a number of points.
 
1. Capital gains tax is a tax on inflation. It's very easy- as I showed
in a number of examples- to pay an effective tax rate of over 100%. At
a minimum, capital gains should be indexed.
 
2. Capital gains taxes are anti-growth. This quest for "equality" in taxing
all income helps push capital out of the economy.
 
3. It's a double tax. This was explained by another poster.
 
The arguments for a capital gains tax appear to be based on a sort of
morality argument- it's not fair for people to get income they're not
taxed on. The argument against cpaital gains tax is egalitarian; we all
benifit from increased capital investment. The fact that the investors
profit more is a reasonable reward for their taking the risk of investing.
 
Every investment is a risk. Since the government doesn't always- and
probably should never- insure the downside risk, why should they tax the
upside profit at the same rate as a risk-free source like salary?
 
 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:49:00 GMT

johore@auto-trol.com (John Orendt) writes:
: : 
: : Kathy
: Kathy, I agree with you 100% but what can be done to change this
: terrible trend? The Democrats may not take away our rights but they
: surely will steel our money!

I don't agree with this. The Republicans, IMO, steal our money because they
do nothing to provide government services, which is what our taxes really
should fund. Furthermore, it is a lie that the Republicans have significantly
lowered taxes - mine haven't been lowered, they've gone up over the last 12
years. The Republicans talk a good line as far as taxes, but they don't 
deliver. 

I personally look at taxes as the price I pay for good government. The
Republicans take my money and my rights away, but they don't deliver the
services the country needs - that's why the inner cities are such a mess.
The Democrats may also take my money, but they have a record of both 
protecting my rights and in delivering the services this country need to
function well - and that means the whole country, not just big business.

Yes, this is a simplistic analysis, I know that all Democrats are not good,
just as all Republicans are not evil, but it is why I will never vote 
Republican.


Kathy
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:01:04 GMT

>: Kathy, I agree with you 100% but what can be done to change this
>: terrible trend? The Democrats may not take away our rights but they
>: surely will steel our money!
>
>I don't agree with this. The Republicans, IMO, steal our money because they
>do nothing to provide government services, which is what our taxes really
>should fund.

Here's something I wrote earlier, in response to another message.
Perhaps it applies here as well?

This is something incomprehensible.  Many people on the net seem to
think this way.

I suppose that when someone points a burning house to people like this
and suggests that something should be done to stop the fire, they will
just point to a house on the other side of the road and say "Why are
you accusing _that_ house of burning?  Look at that _other_ house, it
doesn't look exactly frozen either" and then they promptly start a
fistfight on which house is more aflame while the houses burn down.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Macedonia: What's in a Name? (was The New Greek Phobia)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:37:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep3.161727@aifh.ed.ac.uk> kostis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kostis Kaggelides) writes:

>                                Many things happened , many people 
>invaded, many people were killed, NOBODY in Greece wants this to happen again.
>Maybe what I said helps you to perceive the true dimension of the issues.
>Consider the problem in a real basis , and don't be fooled by simplifications
>going around the net. If the name does not mean anything no one would care. 
>The issue is just expressed in this way .
   

  But it still doesn't make sense.  If Skopje/Macedonia or the Turks,
  or the Bulgarians (and note that there is no love lost between the Turks
  and Bulgarians, either) decide to invade Greece, it won't make any
  difference what names are used.

  Look, my name is "Nelson".  This is an English name but I don't have
  a drop of English blood in me!   My Danish grandfather changed his
  name to "Nelson" when he arrived here in the 1890's.  Other people who
  were already named "Nelson" did not object or threaten him.  If he had
  actually *attempted* to gain some inheritance from someone whose family
  had been named "Nelson" for centuries, this would have been different,
  and that family named "Nelson" would have been justified in opposing 
  him, just as the Greeks would if the "Macedonians" north of the border
  attempt to gain Greek territory; but otherwise neither the Nelsons 
  nor the Greeks have any complaint.

  Or consider that the words "Dutch" and "Deutschland" have the same
  historical root.  But this not provide any basis for any claim by
  Germany or the Netherlands on each other's land.



---peter




Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nancyg@banshee.bellcore.com (Nancy Griffeth)
Subject: Re: Newest Quayle Quote!
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:57:45 GMT

>>
>>NYT today:
>>
>>_AIDS Speech Brings Hush to Crowd_, p. A21
>>
>>"Many of the delegates at the first seemd not to be listening.  They
>>could be seen chatting and wandering about the floor.  But as she went
>>on, the room gradually feel to attention.  By the middle of her speech
>>almost everyone was staring up at the podium, quiet and with grave
>>expressions.
>>
>>"There were exceptions.  A television camera caught Vice President Dan
>>Quayle, standing in his box in the rear of the hall, glad-handing a
>>beaming Arnold Schwarzenegger."
>>
>>
>>--
>>But this is.
>>
>Once again a sound bite taken out of context.  "The room" NEVER fell to
>attention until the Quayle and Bush speeches on Thursday night.  I was
>about 6 feet from Quayle during the speech and a very large number were
>visiting and "glad-handing" during the speech.  The liberal media continue
>to skew the facts of the convention to meet thier own agenda.
>
>
>These opinions are my own.
>
>-- 
>=============== I speak for myself only, not for my employer ================
>      James Meredith  (jmeredit@cray.com)     
>      Cray Research, Inc.                     

Oh, shucks, I was beginning to believe that some Republicans have
hearts.  Wrong again.
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:27:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <3mZ0PB9w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>

Excuse me, but do any of you people (oops, there goes my chance for
being elected...) ever read anything besides Usenet?

Bush *DOES* pay state taxes in Maine.  Most of his tax returns are
publically avaiable, and if you would bother to go to the library,
you could get this information.  Start with back issues of _Money_.

He's a lying idiot, but his record as a taxpayer contains nothing
questionable.

--Tim Smith
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Working for change?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:02:23 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <vydnjdl.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>The system continually presents us with the choice between two evils.

I agree.


>Now, if tomorrow we could vote on PERMANENTLY removing political
>coercion, I might consider voting. But, voting as we have it today
>(political voting), is an inherently coercive act.

However, if you are not working towards making this happen, then you
are whining about things without working on them, which is as bad as
choosing between two evils.

>But then again, very few people really think about the morality of their
>actions.

Do you do something about it?


FWA
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From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: WholeSomeTraditionalFamilyValues
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:47:25 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:

] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] > ps: an their Restore Our God Given Rights
] > to concubines....
] 
] Isn't it kind of dangerous leaving this around where the
] CatWoman can see it???

Hell - when some god walks up to me and says that
it's his right to have concubines - he can have them.

Of course, he'll have to SUPPORT them also...

Diana
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Eggert vs. Livni
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Aug25.220742.23291@bony1.bony.com>
	<EGGERTJ.92Aug26135433@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Aug27.155256.4670@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:40:22

In article <1992Aug27.155256.4670@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug26135433@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>   # As for the mezuzas, yes, they seem to indicate that the houses were
>   # once occupied by Jews, and that the Arab claim that they "always"
>   # lived there is wrong.  Yet mezuzas do not constitute legal claim to
>   # the property.  It is hypocritical to demand full legal paperwork from
>   # the Arabs, and accept a hole in the wall from the Jews.
>
>	   At least the mezuza holes prove a prior residence and are in
>   fact some form of proof greater than just a verbal claim.  For you to
>   equate a mezuza hole with a verbal claim is ridiculous Jim.

I do not equate the two.  If you would read the above paragraph, you
will see that I said that the mezuza holes seem to indicate that the
Arab verbal claim is wrong.  Physical evidence tends to carry more
weight than oral claims.  However, present occupation of a house is by
itself physical evidence, and it would take a better judge than I to
decide which physical evidence is more compelling, present occupation
or a hole in the wall.  The former can be stolen, the latter can be faked.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: Cuomo's track record (WAS: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:30:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.215220.11389@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	I'm not surprised. Car owners are a long way away from paying
>from the roads they drive on out of vehicle registration fees and fuel
>taxes. One estimate is that American roads are at least 38%
>subsidized, and probably more, depending on what one counts.

And who uses the roads the most?  Could it possibly be TRUCK DRIVERS?
You know, the ones that make all those really neat things like food
available to us all?  They are the ones who pay most of the road use
taxes, and with good reason.

What about the issue that the monies put into the general fund from
auto-related taxes go towards other projects (mainly NY City based)?
Highways in New York are funded in two ways:  (1) The NYS Thruway
system, which covers most of the NY Interstates (I-90, I-287, I-190,
I-290, most of I-87, etc.).  The NYS Thruway Authority is separate from
the state, and receives minimal state money; (2) this wonderful
$800,000,000 bond which we will be paying off interest on for 20 years
when the roads will again be dilapidated.  Where do we go from here?

-JPC

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Cultural Elite?
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:25:06 GMT

mp> Michael Polen
gs> Gary Strand

gs> It's pretty much uncontested that the majority of movie/TV actors, produ-
gs> cers, directors, and so on are liberal, and I believe it's these people
gs> that Dan Quayle is talking about.

mp> It must have something to do with the fact that with very few exceptions,
mp> actors, producers, etc. are poor people, working hard and looking for their
mp> big break.

  Possible, but there's no strict correlation between poverty and political
  viewpoint, or, for that matter, wealth and political viewpoint. 

mp> The average member of the screen actors guild, according to a report I saw
mp> on a new magazine recently, makes less than $10,000 a year.

  True, but the political movers-n-shakers among Hollywood stars are among
  the wealthier individuals in this country. And they do tend to be liberals.
  I don't see what the fuss is, just let the facts be the facts.

gs> Just think for a minute -- make a list of conservative TV/movie stars, and
gs> a list of liberal TV/movie stars. I guarantee the latter list is much long-
gs> er.

mp> Maybe they are smarter that the average citizen. (It is all in how you look
mp> at it.)

  Puhleeze. I don't think that Robert Redford, Norman Lear, Ed Asner, et.al.,
  are smarter than you or I. However, their position and wealth means that 
  they do have a greater influence on our culture and our political system
  than we do.

  So far, I've said nothing that isn't obvious, yet somehow, people are react-
  ing like I've said something controversial. Why?


--
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
From: kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers)
Subject: Re: George Bush's new math...
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.105820.3774@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In Message-ID:<t!cng=k@lynx.unm.edu>, johnchad@triton.unm.edu (jchadwic) writes:
 [---]
>	By cutting spending, the budget will be reduced and excess funds freed
>up to reduce the debt.
>
>	Or is every new program to be outlawed because every existing program is
>sacred?
>
>	Bush did it wrong before, but maybe he's looked back on the 80s and
>seen the light.
>

 ...Don't be a sucker. He's just trying to get elected. 

 I personally fear that he's going to get a chance to implement his 
 "New World Order" (sic. the weakening of the U.S.  economy by strengthening 
 international corporation positions)  as a lame-duck president with no voter
 recourse except impeachment.  The North American Free-trade act is direct evidence
 of this. 

 Face it. The U.S. Economy SUCKS, and it sucks EXACTLY how Bush wants it to. He has
 pre-meditatedly put thousands out of work and he will continue to by direction of
 his constituents who put him in office: International corporations who want to 
 have off-shore access to cheap labor, resources, and capital.

 The evidence is everywhere: The demise of the Cold War and the U.S. 
 strengthening of overseas Aerospace interests.  The Free-trade agreement (as said).
 Desertion of U.S. based Corporations to foriegn countries... I could go on for
 hours.

 Anyone who thinks Bush has "Seen the light" is living in a dream.

 It might sound like I'm ranting, but I'm voting for Clinton because I damn well
 hate the idea of having a lame-duck president who simply doesn't give a whit
 about what happens to 98% of the society in which he is supposedly sworn to
 serve.

--
Kevin Carothers   {psivax,philabs,retix,quad1}!ttidca!kevin
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Dumb as dumb can be...
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:53:50 GMT


Found this Associated Press item on p. 22 of the 8-27-92 Boston Globe:

      AUSTIN, Texas -- Republicans plan to respond to Bill Clinton's
   Texas bus tour this week by trailing him around the state with an
   Elvis impersonator.
   
      Clinton and his running mate, Sen. Al Gore of Tennessee, plan a
   two-day bus trip from San Antonio to the Louisiana border beginning
   today.
   
      Mark Sanders, a spokesman for the state Republican party's
   Victory '92 effort, said the Elvis impersonator would follow much
   the same route, singing and serving bologna sandwiches.  Sanders
   called the trip the "Don't Be Fooled Tour."

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines,ba.politics,ca.politics,alt.elections
Subject: Slick Willie and the Rapists
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:26:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I just saw a little note in the Wall Stree Journal saying that Bush
was expected to slam Slick Willie by bringing up a bunch of rapists
whose life sentences he commuted.

So hey, folks, does anyone know what the deal is?

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