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From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: XEDIT on ms-dos
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:52:07 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1de5qiINNbjj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mdr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark D. Rutherford) writes:
>
>I am looking for a PC version of the VMS editor Xedit.
>Does one exist? If so, could someone tell me of it's whereabouts,
>or if it's not too big, UUENCODE it and email it to me?

There is an MS-DOS program called Kedit, which has all the features of
Xedit, plus valuable extensions.  It is not public domain, but neither is
it very expensive.  For information, contact the Mansfield Software Group,
PO Box 532, Storrs CT 06268.  Phone: (203)429-8402

Some of the features I really like are column and sentence blocking (with
cut, copy and move), as well as the Xedit line blocking.  Blocking can be
done by cursor movement and an alt-letter key combination, as well as the
old-fashioned Xedit prefix area commands (which only work for line
blocking).  I so much prefer the former that I've turned my ====== off for
good.  I believe the latest version (which I don't have) comes bundled
with an MS-DOS Rexx.  My version has a Kedit macro language instead. 

Kedit also has a much more rational positioning of the cursor after
operations than Xedit does.  I hate that returning of the cursor to the
command area after every operation.  And finally, Kedit doesn't have that
stupid nulls on/nulls off problem that Xedit has and in its default mode
it doesn't make entire lines upper case when you change something on them.
You can set case upper if that's what you want.

There is also a Unix version of Xedit, called Uni-Xedit, produced by
Dynasoft Workstation Group, (708)696-4450.  I've never seen it, but I
would only be interested if it included Kedit's advanced features.

Barbara Vaughan
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From: weisen@daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Re: Yet another FMT problem
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:18:40 GMT

keithv@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Vetter) writes:
: I've tried using the solution in the FAQ to format paragraphs, namely
: :!}fmt
: but when I do this I get the error message:
: }fmt: Command not found.
: 
: I really do have it.  In fact if I do    map F !}fmt ^[
: it works fine.
: 
: Any ideas?  (my .cshrc file doesn't do anything weird)
: 
: Keith

As do many keys, ``!'' does different, but related, things in different
contexts within Vi.  When in command mode, doing !}fmt runs the program
``fmt'' as a filter on the region from the current point up until the
end of the paragraph.  (Just as y} would yank up until the end of the
paragraph and d} would delete until the end of the paragraph).

Ex has a related ! command and that is what you are using when you
prefix ! with a colon.  The ! command has a similar syntax as other ex
commands:

<region address>!fmt

This runs fmt as a filter on the region selected by <region address>, e.g.:

:1,2!fmt
	filter lines 1 and 2 through fmt
:.,$!fmt
	filter the current line to and including the last line through fmt
:1,$!fmt 
:%!fmt
	both say filter the entire file through fmt.


Hope that helps.

--Neil

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From: harrison@mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Subject: Re: Brief info?
Keywords: Brief
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:42:53 GMT

FYI, I just saw Brief advertised in the November issue of Doctor Dobb's.
It's being packaged in the standard Borland box. 

I didn't even know Borland had bought it. Kinda sad really. It seems
lately that Microsoft and Borland are competing to see who can buy the
most companies. 

Jeff
From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Anyone use SAM?
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:20:10 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>Stephen J Bevan (bevan@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
>: In article <OZ.92Nov6170912@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:
>: 
>(1)	It's small 
>(2)	It's fast
>(3)	It has an orthogonal command structure
>(4)	It does what I want it to do, without the need for me to write
>	a pile of silly macros or Lisp functions.

>Before I started using Sam I was a dedicated vi addict -- I still use vi for
>editing mail and so on, but for _writing_ on Unix boxes sam is the most 
>transparent tool I've ever come across.  

    OK-OK-OK-OK. ok. You've sold it to me. 

    Where can I get it?
    Will it compile and run under Un*x or do I need Plan-9?

-dave "Always wanting a better editor"

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From: heinz@marvin.tuwien.ac.at (Heinz Herbeck)
Subject: How to quote % in vi/ex ': ' escape
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:47:13 GMT

Sorry if this is in the FAQ or has been discussed here already. I can vaguely
remember having read about this problem before, but I can't find any 
articles about it in my archives (and I can't find the FAQ either).

How can I insert a % into a ':' command in vi, without it being replaced by
the current filename ?
For example, I have a file test.c% in my directory, and want to read it into
the buffer with

:r test.c%

or edit it with

:e test.c%

^V% and ^V^V% don't work.

And, in the same way, how to quote # ?

Any help or hint will be appreciated.

MfG
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From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: VI??? GROSS!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:55:40 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff):
:Most repliers to my posting seem to be that well accustomed to the fact 
:that vi is a line editor that they didn't see my point when I wrote 
:"arbitrary (!) block of text" (well, maybe "block" was misleading). This 
:is not a block of lines (which is the unit of most vi operations) and 
:since I referred to "elementary text editing tasks" I didn't mean columns 
:either. Suppose I have the lines
:	word1 word2 word1
:	word3 word4 word3
:and I need the text from "word2 " up to "word4" (assume it's a sentence) 
:to be copied or moved elsewhere.If an editor cannot do this with a 
:simple command sequence (and without the search trick burdening me with 
:the task of counting the occurences of the word following my sentence 
:within my sentence, if it can be done that way at all), I just do not 
:call it a text editor.

Use one of

    y2W			" two words
    y)			" end of sentence
    y$			" end of line

It isn't very hard.

--tom
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From: wright@staff.tc.umn.edu (Mark Wright)
Subject: Re: Brief info?
Keywords: Brief
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:38:45 GMT

In article <Bx9twB.HEF@cmcl2.nyu.edu> snyder@acf3.nyu.edu (Kirk Snyder) writes:
>bduncan@ve3ied.UUCP (Bill Duncan) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct28.225639.29556@cmcl2.nyu.edu> snyder@acf3.nyu.edu (Kirk Snyder) writes:

[ stuff deleted...]

>I suppose I was vaguely hoping some Borland employee would read
>this group, and reassure me that the product would be continued
>(and enhanced maybe?)  I got no such reassurance, and also have
>not noticed any advertisements since Borland bought it.  It
>leaves me with the sinking feeling that Borland bought it to
>enhance their own compiler products, and doesn't intend to
>devote much time and money to Brief.  I'm not sure exactly what
>enhancements I would want, but versions for Windows,
>Presentation Manager, or NT might be nice.  At least it would
>give me the feeling that the product will be around a while.

Actually, the only Brief enhancement I can think of is something that
Borland is doing with their IDE - different text styles for different code
elements.  Really nice in the IDE.  Something I'd really like to see in Brief!

> 
>-- Kirk Snyder
>   snyder@depaul.edu
>


-- 
Mark Wright
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From: sti@phantom.cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Missing tagstack feature in Elvis
Keywords: tags tagstack elvis vi
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:15:54 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab


I use the tags-feature of vi and emacs quite heavily.

Some vendors have inlcuded a 'tagstack' feature in their vi and one is
also available for emacs.  I was kind of taken aback when I noticed
that elvis didn't have it.

Has someone implemented it for elvis or would someone familiar with
the internals of elvis care to make a stab at it?  Perhaps Steve
Kirkendall is listening?  (Hint, hint, nudge, nudge)
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Anyone use SAM?
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:27:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Stephen J Bevan (bevan@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <OZ.92Nov6170912@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:
:    Neil Weisenfeld writes:
:       Is anyone using Sam? ...
: 
:    Yes, many of us picked it up from the toolchest sometime ago. Nice to see
:    that it is now available to public at large.
: 
: I don't want to start a war here, but why do people like Sam?  I've
: tried it out and although I think the file as a stream (no newlines)
: is a good idea and the undo is excellent, I don't actually like using
: it.  Specifically, the reliance on the mouse for almost all operations
: drives me nuts.  Given that Pike thought long and hard about the
: design, I can only assume I'm one of the great unwashed who hasn't
: seen the light yet.  So to speed me along would anybody care to
: explain why they think the interface is good?

(1)	It's small 
(2)	It's fast
(3)	It has an orthogonal command structure
(4)	It does what I want it to do, without the need for me to write
	a pile of silly macros or Lisp functions.

Before I started using Sam I was a dedicated vi addict -- I still use vi for
editing mail and so on, but for _writing_ on Unix boxes sam is the most 
transparent tool I've ever come across.  

Actually, there are things in it which could be better; I agree that it
could do with some keyboard shortcuts, like the cursor keys working in the
windows and so on.

At a more philosophical level, If you've read Rob Pike's paper on his
new shell/windowing system/environment/editor help (in the Plan 9
documentation) you can see what he's been up to recently -- I'd like an editor
combining the power of sam with the flexibility of help. _That_ would be
truly impressive...

Pete
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From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: Brief info?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:05:00 GMT

Jeff Harrison writes:

> FYI, I just saw Brief advertised in the November issue of Doctor Dobb's.
> It's being packaged in the standard Borland box. 
> 
> I didn't even know Borland had bought it. Kinda sad really. It seems
> lately that Microsoft and Borland are competing to see who can buy the
> most companies. 

Sad?  Not me.  Solution Systems was ruining this excellent editor.  They
took version 3.0 from UnderWare (the OS/2 version, that is) and added
more bugs than features.  I'm glad it's out of their hands and into
Borland's.
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From: brandy@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BRANDAUER CARL M)
Subject: Re: VI??? GROSS!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:29:20 GMT

wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff) writes:

....... it is not even capable of performing one of the most elementary 
>text editing tasks: marking an arbitrary (!) block of text and by some 
>means copying or moving it to another place.

Nonsense!  Put the cursor on the first character of the arbitrary text
block and do a yank using a regular expression target.  Everything up
to but not including the regular expression can be duplicated anywhere
you like, even in another file if named buffers are used.  All this works
with delete as well if the intent is to move the block.
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From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: Anyone use SAM?
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:09:12 GMT

Neil Weisenfeld writes:

   Is anyone using Sam? ...

Yes, many of us picked it up from the toolchest sometime ago. Nice to see
that it is now available to public at large.

			... Is anyone working on extending it?

I do not know, but I hope that if someone wants to "extend" it, he/she
[a] does not misrepresent the original in any way, [for example, by calling
the "extended" version "sam"], [b] spends some time thinking thorough the
reasons for extending, or to put it differently, gives at least as much
thought as Pike did.

I happen to think that the best thing to do is to borrow the good
ideas from "sam", and rewrite it. [Peter DaSilva has all the fun]

oz
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From: rick@mel1.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin)
Subject: Re: aXe on RS/6000
Organization: Motorola, inc. - Scottsdale, AZ
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:22:12 GMT

In article <BxGnDM.CK6@storcon.uucp> john@storcon.UUCP (John Hunley) writes:

   Anybody got aXe (preferably version 3.0.1) running under AIX 3.2 on an RS6000?
   From all the porting problems I've seen with aXe and what I know about porting
   things to AIX, I don't think I want to tackle it myself (my employer seems to
   always want me to work on other things!).
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aXe 3.1 works right out of the box!  I'm using AIX 3.2.2 on a model 320.

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From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Re: vile vs xvi, has anybody compared them already?
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:56:46 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <1992Nov5.104009.10831@anl433.uucp> Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea) writes:

|"Alex Martelli (martelli@cadlab.sublink.org) wrote:
|"
|": - in xvi.h, the lines:
|": #   ifdef   hpux
|": #   	define	USE_STDHDRS
|": #   endif   /* sparc */
|"
|"Use __hpux when compiling HP-UX code.

According to the manual, hpux is guarantueed to be defined when compiling
under hp-ux.
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From: 911288c@dragon.acadiau.ca (EDwin Chung)
Subject: help in vi
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:02:39 GMT

dear,

	I always editing a file.. Sometime I need my backup
	file back..
	how would i map a key to make :wq to save a copy of
	the ordinary file and save a new one ??

		Please help ....
						EDwin

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From: ravi@blore.b23b.ingr.com (Ravi Parthasarathy)
Subject: How to store tabstop in vi permanently??
Reply-To: "Ravi Parthasarathy <ravi@blore.b30.ingr.COM>"
Organization: "Dazix, an Intergraph Company., Huntsville, AL 35894, USA."
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:01:42 GMT

How does one change the default tabstop in vi?
presently, i am typing in :set tabstop=4 while edititng a file. I would like
to set this value and vi should come up with this tabstop everytime it is
ivoked.
Thanks...

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From: rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger Cornelius)
Subject: Re: How to quote % in vi/ex ': ' escape
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:36:11 GMT

In article <heinz.689356033@marvin.tuwien.ac.at>, heinz@marvin.tuwien.ac.at (Heinz Herbeck) writes:
> 
> How can I insert a % into a ':' command in vi, without it being replaced by
> the current filename ?

Precede it with a backslash.

> And, in the same way, how to quote # ?

In the same way :-).

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From: bryan@sphinx.phys.Virginia.EDU (bryan wright)
Subject: EDT keypad emulation for DEMACS?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:33:58 GMT

Hi folks,
	Has anyone implemented EDT keypad emulation for DEMACS?
				Thanks in advance,
				Bryan
bryan@sphinx.phys.virginia.edu

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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: VI??? GROSS!
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:04:11 GMT

In article <LYT86XN@math.fu-berlin.de> wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff) writes:
>Full screen: in some sense, vi is. But not screen-oriented. Changing 
>or inserting text and not seeing the result unless a finish key is 
>pressed 

No wonder you don't like it!  This behaviour is optional and only
desirable for slow connections and terminals that don't have an
insert character command (i.e. the host has to redraw the whole line
or screen).  It may be that you aren't using the right TERM definition,
or you need to :set redraw and :set noslowopen to force it.

>... it is not even capable of performing one of the most elementary 
>text editing tasks: marking an arbitrary (!) block of text and by some 
>means copying or moving it to another place.

Right - it just doesn't do arbitrary rectangles, but blocks of lines
are easy as are characters within a line, and the two operations can
handle the things you usually need to do to text, especially program
text.

>As a reaction to my moroseness about the apparent unavailability of a 
>simple text editor for Unix and the monstrous complexity and slowness 
>of the only widely spread alternative (emacs), I captured the source 
>of a freely available editor and turned it into a safe, fast, and easy 
>to use text editor. (I also announced it to this group some time ago.)
>It is available by ftp from ftp.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.50]:
>/pub/unix/editor/mined.tar.Z (108841 bytes)
>/pub/pc/editor/mined_pc.zip (114522 bytes)

Does this one do arbitrary rectangles?

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
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From: snyder@acf3.nyu.edu (Kirk Snyder)
Subject: Re: Brief info?
Keywords: Brief
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:38:33 GMT

bduncan@ve3ied.UUCP (Bill Duncan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct28.225639.29556@cmcl2.nyu.edu> snyder@acf3.nyu.edu (Kirk Snyder) writes:
>>Does anyone have any info/rumours/speculation on the status of
>>Brief?  I know that it was bought by Borland.  I've seen it
>>advertised in Programmer's Workshop for $99.  This seems like a
>>bargain price.  I'm a bit curious about the reason for the
>>bargain price.
>> 

>I don't know, but am very curious too!  I have been a Brief user since v0.98,
>probably around 10 years ago now.  Borland also got the "Sorcerer's Apprentice"
>with the deal too of course.  I haven't seen it advertized since the buyout.

>Please post a summary of anything you find out here.

So far I've found out very little.  I found out that Borland is
in fact selling it under the Borland name, and that there is a
*very* cheap upgrade to the Borland version for existing Brief
owners.  Something like $69.  I also got one recommendation to
try Crisp instead, with the claim that it does everything Brief
does and much more.  That's about it.
 
I suppose I was vaguely hoping some Borland employee would read
this group, and reassure me that the product would be continued
(and enhanced maybe?)  I got no such reassurance, and also have
not noticed any advertisements since Borland bought it.  It
leaves me with the sinking feeling that Borland bought it to
enhance their own compiler products, and doesn't intend to
devote much time and money to Brief.  I'm not sure exactly what
enhancements I would want, but versions for Windows,
Presentation Manager, or NT might be nice.  At least it would
give me the feeling that the product will be around a while.
 
-- Kirk Snyder
   snyder@depaul.edu

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From: richard@harlqn.co.uk (Richard Brooksby)
Subject: Re: The Death of vi?
Organization: Harlequin Ltd. Cambridge, England
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:01:52 GMT

In comp.editors dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) wrote:

> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) wrote in <3159@ucl-cs.uucp>:
> 
> > Why does vi(1) live on? The EMACS interface, at the the very
> > least, is now ubiquitous.
> 
> I've never understood why people who prefer vanilla ice cream to
> chocolate ice cream react to others' preference for chocolate by
> saying, "Oh?  I like vanilla better myself," yet those who prefer
> chocolate react to others' taste for vanilla with, "You're crazy!
> You're insane!  Everyone knows that chocolate is better!"  ... vi
> users ("Use emacs if you want.") to emacs users ("vi SUCKS!").
> 
> If you have a single-user system and don't want vi on it, rm it.  No
> one can legimitately question your right to do that.

rm!  How the hell can you use rm?  Everybody knows that rm is useless!
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