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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: julian may and Fury (spoilers)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:09:14 EDT

In article <1992Oct4.154913.5766@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs]) writes:
 
>Evidence for Felice/Culliket being Fury:
>	`
>	Felice survived, and was placed inside the Room without Doors,
>from which not even Marc could touch her. In effect, Felice/Culliket became
>the first Lylmik.
>
How do you figure?  I thought that the Lylmik were left over from the universe
before the Big Bang.  (I think it says this in the Pliocene Companion.)  Maybe
it's possible for them to become a Lylmik (as Marc apparently did), but they
couldn't have been the first.  (Besides, the Lylmik like humans.  I don't think
Felice does.  :-))
 
 
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Characters I Hate to Love
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 18:14:15 EDT

>
>If good were more tempting than evil, then humans would choose good
>over evil most of the time, a situation which does not pertain.
 
    I personally believe it's the threat of punishment or social
ostrization that keeps most people in line.  If you knew you would
not be caught, would you do something which you know to be wrong?
Most people's answer would be "no", but most people's actions would
be "yes."
   Just take a look at the speed limit in any open stretch of road,
or your last income tax return.
 
                  Junsok Yang (YANJUNA)
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: ASIMOV'S Last book?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:02:47 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)

In article <96826@bu.edu>, mab@buphy (Michael Burstein) writes:
>Now if only Asimov had let us known what happened to the Solarians (re:
>Robots and Empire).  Unfortunately, he died without having figured it
>out himself.

Another one he couldn't figure out was how to continue past FOUNDATION
AND EARTH.  He ended it with a clear indication of a sequel. 
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Any comments on  ENTROVERSE  by James Hogan?
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:54:05 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <1a73cmINNgk7@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
|In article <1992Sep28.124155.25939@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
|>Bleauuugh (all over the carpet).
|>
|>Ditto for the other 3 books in the series.  What a waste of trees.
|>
|
|You read all 4 even though they were that bad?  You must have more
|free time than I do.  I read ENTOVERSE and decided not to
|read the others.  But I did read it through clear to the end.
|If you make the mistake of reading the back cover, there will be no
|surprises in the book for you...
|
Well, I think the other books were rather good (though the third was not
as good as the first two).

Entoverse is just one too many books in the series.
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:17:26 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <27SEP199217585095@venus.tamu.edu> spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
|Curtis Yarvin writes...
|>One would expect this, since Hoban is not a hack.  But how does
|>respelling common English words help?  I can understand
|>inventing new words for concepts which do not exist in present
|>society, but (to pick the first word I saw, when I opened the
|>book) what does spelling "kind" as "kynd" do for a novel?
|>The mode of this question is curious, not rhetorical.
|
|Given that most r.a.b.bers can't function flawlessly in the construction of
|sentences or rendering of spellings with (one would guess) many years of
|formal education geared toward that end, it would be a bit of a stretch
|to expect a hunter/gatherer to manage said feat(s).

Sure; but it is perfectly acceptable, and usual, for the author to provide
translation for a story not set in the reader's tongue.  The difference
between alternate orthography and alternate language is null.

You're being disingenuous, SubGenius.

c
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Subject: Re: Weirdstone location? (Was Re:Alan Garner)
From: asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:56:54 PST
 <1992Oct1.161942.22862@linus.mitre.org> <1992Oct2.234533.9188@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Organization: MDC - Douglas Aircraft, Long Beach, CA
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In article <1992Oct2.234533.9188@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>      I used to spend hours with Weirdstone, Gomrath, and the
>> appropriate Ordnance Survey map, tracing out the travels of the
>> characters (Red Shift is also set in the same general area).
>> 
> Where was Weirdstone set?  Is "Alderley" a real place I can look up in the OS 
> atlas?

..I had a sudden nostalgia attack here.  This Brisingamen(sp?) book 
   was part of the required reading when I was 10 in UK.  I started 
   reading Owl Service when I was 15 but left to go to USA then. I
   don't suppose someone could send me a copy?  I'd like Wierdstone
   as well.  Well at least I can hope?
   Asim (email me)

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From: mcconnel@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
Subject: Re: Coming of Age novels (was Re: Count Geiger's Blues and Jumper)
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:21:44 GMT

A different kind of coming of age story (though the age part isn't really correct,
more like coming to maturity) is John Myers Myers _Silverlock_.

Mike McConnell
Dept. of Mathematics
Kent State University
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From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Sheila Herndon)
Subject: Re: Ian McDonald's _The Broken Land_: review
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:33:16 GMT

dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
[about Ian Mcdonald]
> ... and, most of all, makes absolutely no sense.

I'm sorry. What didn't you understand?
-- 
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Books I Love to Hate (e.g., Orbital Resonance)
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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In-reply-to: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 30 Sep 1992 22:08:48 GMT

In article <1ad8hgINN3lp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:

> >   Now, gentle readers, I beg your indulgence. Remember *these
> >   are fictional characters* -- and don't be too mad at me
> >   when I say, I hope some author puts a Podkayne clone in
> >   their book -- and then has her raped by Huns. Heh, heh, heh!
> 
> Have you read the original ending to _Podkayne_? You should LOVE it... :-)

Dunno about Lenore, but I, at least, don't like the original ending
any better than the one that got published.

To me, _Podkayne_ was a very heavy-handed sermon on the evils of
uppity girls aspiring to anything more than traditional female roles.
In the published version, the main character recognized the errors of
her ways and (presumably) lived happily every after by producing
babies; in the original version, she comes to a Bad End because of her
misbehavior.  I, at least, don't see either of those as much better
than the other.

Heinlein wrote some very good and thought-provoking books, but this
wasn't one of them.  He was at his best when he was questioning
traditional ideas, not when he was defending them unthinkingly.
--
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From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Next Rama Book
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:09:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
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In a previous article, dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod) says:

>Does anyone know when Arthur C. Clarke's next Rama book will be out?

Never, if the ones before are any indication of it. So far as I can tell,
all the Rama sequels were written by Gentry Lee, with Clarke's name tacked
on. The writing style and plot is not at all like him.
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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Mordant's Need - Donaldson
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:51:38 GMT

Thanks to all the people who recommended Mordant's Need in earlier postings.
It was well-written and very enjoyable with all stuff - Kingdom in danger,
earth heroine, 'new' magic concept, best swordmen in the realms pit against
each other, evil arch-imager(wizards), mad adept(also a wizard), a good king,
a bad king, an 'ugly' king, a champion from a sci-fi planet, a dangerous 
monster, bits of 'sexy' scenes, lords, Castellan, etc - Yes, ALL the stuff
high fantasy should be made off(except maybe magic weapons, or scrolls or
a unicorn or two).

Edmund
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From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Re: annoyed at Gerrold (was Re: Chtorr & Gerrold.)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171455.29079@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:
>Was anyone else who bought the first two books when they first came
>out bothered by the vanishing act followed by the *revised* return
>of the series? Just curious.


I was and I wasn't. I think that D. Gerrold had nothing to do with the
fact that his original books were cut (an editor's or publisher's decision).
Later, when he was a better selling writer, he was probably allowed to 
have his books published in uncut form.  Yeah, it was sad that I had to
rebuy the books, but I *really* like that series, and it was worth the
money, and gave me a good reason to reread them! :)
- Chuck


-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
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From: clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason)
Subject: Re: author'n'title...
Organization: Holy Church of the Llama
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.224932.10591@ecst.csuchico.edu> greyfire@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tom Talley) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.213242.21458@newshost.unh.edu> clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
>>Yeah.  It was called _Foundation._  I think Piers Anthony wrote it.
>>
>
>No it definatly was not.  This actually sounds like two Clifford D. Simik [sp?]
>novels.  The one with the man turning into the wolf creature and being hunted
>is 'The Werewolf Principle'.  The other whose title escapes me is about 
>telepathic exploration and what happens when one explorer encounters something 
>very strange.  The key scene from early in the book has him encountering a 
>strange pink blob which says "My mind for yours" and the story takes off 
>from there.
>
No, I was wrong.  It was called "The Two Towers," and Jackie Collins wrote
it.  I read a review in Redbook.


					Christian
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:48:23 -0400 
From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Any comments on ENTOVERSE by James Hogan?
	<1992Sep28.124155.25939@cs.rochester.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.written: 28-Sep-92 Re: Any comments on
ENTROV.. Paul Dietz@cs.rochester. (269)

> In article <billd.717657838@cheetah> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:

>   > Any comments on ENTROVERSE by James Hogan?

Bleauuugh (all over the carpet).
> Ditto for the other 3 books in the series.  What a waste of trees.

("_Entoverse_".)

An alternative opinion:

Bleauugghhhh, all over the carpet. It was nowhere near as much fun as
the first three books.

(Plus, I hated the cover. Apparently the publishers have decided that we
want day-glo colors and random pieces of graphic-design abstraction on
our book covers. Now, these covers are no less informative than the
black starfields and random pieces of space-going hardware that we've
been getting for the last twenty years, but I think they're ugly.)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:49:29 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <2926640053.13.p00117@psilink.com> "Ian Sutherland" <p00117@psilink.com> writes:
>
>(Aside:  I do believe we've found the Mikhail Zeleny of the SF groups in 
>Curtis Yarvin.  Keep your pH low, Mr. Yarvin! :-)

This is _exactly_ the sort of kneejerk reaction the philosophically
educated observer would expect from a sycophantic homosexualist
anti-Platonist rhino-felcher like the putrid slime that oozes from
your tonsils, which fools take for mind!  I challenge you to a duel!
Chainsaws at noon, or varlet ye!  :-)

>=A cynic would call it point in itself; would say that elsewise
>=such a novel might easily be forgotten amidst the sf pulps, and
>=not proclaimed by literati and dunce alike as the vanguard of
>=an Important New Movement in Literature.
>
>I'm not aware of anyone having done this.

And it's probably a good thing, too.  The cynic suspects, though,
this this is the shangri-la of every artistic writer.  And doesn't
much mind; everyone should have the right to imagine themselves
atop of a mountain, even if to others it seems a pit.

On the other hand, when the subject comes to fine speculative
novels published on the mainstream shelves, Hoban's name does
come up a lot.  Why, I don't know.

c
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Recommendations??
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:23:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Chris Peckham writes:
>Can anyone out there recommend some good sf/f stories and authors
>which investigate any of the following:
>
>1) Unusual/questioning relationships between _good_ and _evil_

One unlikely to be mentioned is <drum roll>  THE RIDDLE OF THE WREN by
Charles de Lint.  A very early novel that is no longer in print, buit
should be because it's one of his better works.

	Larry "Fast and flurious" Hammer
--

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From: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Review: T Bisson: Voyage to the Red Planet
Originator: write@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:59:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.130953.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>Here's a fun book:  Terry Bisson's _Voyage to the Red Planet_ (1990?)
>It's light, humorous, full of running gags, and just plain a good read.
>It's not very socially significant, doesn't have a message, the characters
>aren't too deep, but it's definitely worth a read as entertainment.

While I agree with you that VOYAGE TO THE RED PLANET is a fun book, I
have to disagree with your statement that it is "not very socially
significant."  What you describe above sounds like a book by Craig Shaw
Gardner or Alan Dean Foster; VOYAGE TO THE RED PLANET, however, may
seem light on the surface, but is firmly entrenched in that literary
device made famous by Jonathan Swift, that is, satire.

glen

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From: st1rk@rosie.uh.edu (Maxwell, Darin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Musical SF and F
Keywords: music
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

If you are looking for SF, I am currently reading Walter Jon William's
_Aristoi_. It is a wonderful book full of music.

-- Darin

st1rk@jetson.uh.edu
From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: C.J. Cherryh, Women...SPOILERS
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:40:06 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1140@tdat.teradata.COM>, swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep21.083645.4493@bb1t.monsanto.com> bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
> |>  Felt the same in Rimrunners. 
> |                    **********
> |I beg to differ.  Bet Yeager is probably my all-time favorite 
> |character in Cherryh's writing.  The exposition that went into 
> |developing her charcter is superbly done.  This is a very complex 
> |person.  ...
> 
> Oh, I agree, she is definately a solid, even realistic character.
> The problem is, I *don't* *like* *her*.  I think she is a scuzbucket,
> so I find it difficult to *care* what happens to her.
> 
> Indeed, I failed to find *any* characters I *cared* about in Rimrunner.
> 
> |  (Can't give much more in the way of 
> |examples without a lot of spoilers warnings.)
> 
> Perhaps I could use a spoiler, that way I *might* be able to finsih
> the book :-)

SPOILERS ahead for _Rimrunners_























Scuzbucket?  *Scuzbucket?*

Because she did what she had to do to survive?  Because she killed a 
man who threatened her life?  Because she went to bed with another man 
in order to eat when she was starving?  Because she killed him when he 
threatened her life?  If Bet Yeager is a scuzbucket then so is 
everyone who ever had to do something they weren't too proud of in 
order to survive.  Made compromises in order to get ahead.  Accepted 
less than the ideal in order to *just get it over whith and get on 
with it*.  Perhaps I can identify with Bet Yeager because all of these 
resonate to a greater or lesser degree with events in my own life.

I've been lucky.  I've never been pushed to the brink of survival.  
But my performance under considerably less pressure makes me wonder 
just how I would react under such circumstances.

Perhaps you didn't get far enough to find out just what Bet Yeager is: 
She is a soldier, and has been one since she was sixteen.  She finds 
herself in her situation because she was separated from her outfit, a 
futuristic MIA trying to survive behind enemy lines.  She has a 
soldier's morality defined by events over which she has no control, 
and she makes Heinlein's "starship troopers" look like wimps.  I don't 
admire her morality, I *don't* want to be like her, but I can't 
gaurantee that I wouldn't be like her in the same circumstances, my 
own desires and principles notwithstanding.  What I do admire about 
her is her ability to survive.

-- 
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From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 06:46:46 GMT
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sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Have you noticed, btw, how cheap Adept status has gotten?  In earlier 
>>books, a mage-gifted student spent a decade or so learning enough to
>>achieve journeyman status.  (We're told at one point that they don't
>>learn weapon skills because there simply isn't time.)  
>
>I thought it just depended on the school.  Herald-Mages, for example, were
>quite adequate with both magic and weapons -- it was part of their training.
>Kethry, however, was taught in a school that did not deem weapons' use
>desirable, so it was "beyond" them, in terms of time.

	Becoming an Adept seems to give Kethry some source of greater
internal energy, but she is not using nodes. Likewise, the Herald-Mages of 
Vanyel's time did not have the power Savil or Vanyel did, mostly due to
their inability to use nodes. Tayledras are practically *born* using the 
nodes if they are mages. 
	It was stated once that the ability to use the power of the nodes 
was very rare! Only with Tayledras (who live around/under/with nodes
for generations) seem to show up with it often. Maybe being of Vanyel's
line helps, too. ;) Vanyel himself could do some pretty amazing things
with NO Herald training and a little node power! Elspeth is both 
Herald-trained and not suffering an emotional crisis. :) The learning
curve would be pretty easy on her...

	(Forgive the disjointedness; I think I got the main idea across...
It's 2:45 am, though and I don't feel like regrouping. :-))
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