HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: suggestion spliting g
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:59:03 GMT

gero@gkminix.han.de (Gero Kuhlmann) writes:
>Do you (or anybody else) have any idea of how to subdivide this group? I think
>we should at least create a group which covers all the newcomer questions and
>regular postings like the FAQ and the INFO SHEET.

Oh please.

Is it really that hard to understand that there _was_ an attempt to
create more groups for Linux, and that it _failed_, with the exception
of the group comp.os.linux.announce.  And because of the failure,
there can't be another attempt until six months pass from the previous
one (that's about five months from now).

Followups to news.groups, where you can discuss the fact that the
people most eager to propose new groups and splitting groups usually
don't seem to have a clue.

[ I post this note in public because there won't be an end to these
  complaints until everybody knows what the current situation is. ]

On a more constructive side, perhaps you could do something about your
newsreading software and habits to make it easier to follow groups
with a large volume.  Things like using a better newsreader (I prefer
trn myself), kill files, selecting articles based on subject lines and
or keywords in the article body, and so on.  If you can't do any of
these, I feel sorry for you, but you still can't split the group until
June next year or so.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:58:23 -0500 
From: Frank T Lofaro <fl0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PATCH: (0.98.6) allow root to link/unlink directories
	<irc.724492966@ultima>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux: 16-Dec-92 Re: PATCH: (0.98.6) allow
r.. Paul Hatchman@socs.uts.e (820)

>It recreates the source directory structure under your home directory
>by hard linking directories.

>Still it is nothing that cant be done with a symlink.

	But if you delete where a symlink points to, you have a worthless,
dangling symlink (*).  A hard link would allow you to delete the source
from its original location if no longer needed there, but leave the copy
in your account untouched. 


* Does Linux still have the dangling symlink bug. Like, if you do ln -s
some_file_name_that_does_not_exist foo, does a cat foo say "Too many
levels of symbolic links", instead of "No such file or directory" or
some other appropriate message? Just thought I'd mention it, in case the
bug is still lurking out there.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lash0002@student.tc.umn.edu (tim)
Subject: Re: Problems with sysv init sources
Keywords: init
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:54:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134909.28520@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> wyvern@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wyvern) writes:
>I recently compiled and installed the sources for the sysv-style init
>from tsx-11 (plus the patch). It seems to be having problems
>with runlevels though. If I have initdefault set to, say, 3,
>and a couple lines like this:
>
>rc:3:wait:/etc/rc3
>xd:3:once:/usr/X386/bin/xdm
>
>Init gives me something like:
>INIT: Warning: No processes for this runlevel
>INIT: Entering single user mode
>/ root# 
>So I end up having to have all the entries in my inittab be either
>boot or bootwait, since those are the only ones which get executed.
>Right now my inittab looks like this:
>
>id:3:initdefault: 
>si::sysinit:/etc/bcheckrc 
>rc::bootwait:/etc/rc 
>r3::bootwait:/etc/rc3 
>xd::boot:/usr/X386/bin/xdm
>#c1:1234:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty1
>#c2:23:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty2
>#c3:23:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty3
>#c4:23:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty4
>pf::powerwait:/etc/shutdown -f now
># init
>
>This is highly annoying - it kind of defeats the purpose of an init
>with runlevels. Does anyone have an idea of what might be wrong?
>

I have had similar problems. I am not sure that i have really found the 
problem or a good solution, but what I've done is:
	At the end of the function StartEmIfNeeded(), there is a line
that says 
lastlevel = runlevel; 
I've changed it to:
if(sys_level == NORMAL_LEVEL) lastlevel = runlevel;

It appeared to me that during the sysinit and boot stages lastlevel was being
set so that entries with an action field of wait or once would appear to have already been executed. This seems to fix it. I am not sure if it really is
a fix, or if it is if it is a good one..i may look at it more later.
I've sent a note to Miquel asking him about it a few days ago but have 
not heard from him yet. If anyone else has anything to say about this 
I'd appreciate hearing about it.

	tim
	lash0002@student.tc.umn.edu
From: sadkins@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott W. Adkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to put new Image on boot disk (?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:49:41 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept., Athens

In article <1992Dec17.180304.222@victrola.sea.wa.us> vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:
>>cat Image > /dev/fd0
>or 'cp Image /dev/fd0'

Yeah, but something like "dd -if=Image -of=/dev/fd0" is probably the best
way to do that.  After all, that is what the "disk dumper (dd)" is used for.

-- 
         Scott W. Adkins           Internet: sadkins@ohiou.edu
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                     ak323@cleveland.freenet.edu
    Ohio University of Athens        Bitnet: adkins@ouaccvma.bitnet
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: UUCP help!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:18:07 GMT
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.

In article <Bz1yDG.1CEv@citrus.SAC.CA.US> ianj@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman ) writes:
>The version of UUCP in the SLS distribution promptly gives me a
>"segmentation fault" and may or may not dump core.  I tried
>to recompile Taylor UUCP in the Mailpak distribution and it STILL
>give me "segmentation fault".
>
>HELP ME!!!!!  I have seen other requests for the same help, but I
>have heard absolutely NOTHING!

For the second time:  :-)

I also had these problems under pl6 (presumably it also breaks under pl5)
so what I did was recompile smail and taylor with "-fwritable-strings".
Now they both work.  

C-news also had this problem.


-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
A woman came up to me and said: "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: spy@castlab.uucp (Mark W. Spychalla)
Subject: floating point exceptions
Organization: University of Wisconsin- Madison
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:06:10 CST


Hello,

  I have had many problems with the floating point under Linux as well.  I have 
been running the first SLS distribution (linux 0.96 I believe) with Linux extfs
and X windows for quite some time on a V-com DX2/66 with 8 Meg RAM, 160 Meg
Disk Space, and ET4000 based local bus video card.  I have been EXTREMELY
pleased with my Linux performance so far for the animation/rendering
applications I have been developing.
  
I have done the following kludges to work around my float problems:

1)  Ignore floating point error signals (!!!) by using

   #include <signal.h>
   ...
   main()
   {
   signal(SIGFPE, SIG_IGN);
   ...
   }

2) Compile with the soft floating point libraries instead of the default
   libraries they seem to be of better quality than the default ones.

   gcc -msoft-float -o foo foo.c -lsoft
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^    

I know I should get around to updating my Linux version one of these days but
I am holding out until the TCP/IP & NFS get a bit more stable.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
   Mark Spychalla (spy@castlab.engr.wisc.edu)
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Serial communications problems
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:39:31 GMT

   From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
   Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:34:23 GMT

   You're a bit too pessimistic here. I'm using such a driver to run all
   four COM ports and it does 2400 bps with a 16450 and 19200 bps with a
   16550A. 19200 bps gets a bit unreliable under load, but it's still
   acceptable for Zmodem. I'm polling at 300 Hz and it doesn't lower
   system performance very noticeably.

Is this on Linux?  How are you polling at 300Hz, when the system clock
ticks at 100Hz?

							- Ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Suggestion Spliting Group
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:12:05 GMT

cyberman@exucom.com (Stephen R. Phillips) writes:
>In hopes that this will prevent the 99-300 message per day from
>SWAMPING most poeple.  I suggest this group be split.

If you don't follow comp.os.linux, why do you think you should suggest
changes to it?  I assume that you don't read comp.os.linux because WE
JUST HAD A VOTE ABOUT SPLITTING AND THE MAJORITY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT
TO SPLIT!  

Actually, that's not quite true, the group comp.os.linux.announce did
get support, and it was created on Monday and seems to be working
well.

If you want to discuss splitting comp.os.linux, come back in about six
months.  It ain't gonna happen before that (there is a six month delay
between votes for one group, just so that we don't have to suffer from
repetetive votes and newsgroup politics).  I have a feeling that those
who try to start discussions about splitting c.o.l will get shouted
down...

>This is a suggestion perhaps it's not worth doing but I can't keep up
>with 152 threads and 192 articles (per DAY).  

Use a threaded newsreader, if you aren't doing that already.  Use
kill-files.  Skip threads with uninteresting subject lines.  Read
comp.os.linux.announce.  Read Linux News.  Don't add to the noise if
you can avoid it.

I guess I could read everything that comes to c.o.l daily in about 15
to 30 minutes using the above techniques.  I don't, because I go
through everything trying to find things for Linux News (and because I
want to), although I don't read everything with the same interest.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
From: opium@hardy.u.washington.edu (Just dance and move your body)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: PS, top, vs. linux-0.99
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:38:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

It could just be me but after I booted the new Image Itried ps -U to update:

Neltrix# ps -U
  PID TT STAT  TIME COMMAND
Neltrix# 

It doesn't seem to work ;;  However free and who are okay.

also, when I run top, the screen is blank until I hit q, then it exits.

Has anybody been able to fix this, or has anybody experienced similar be-
havior?  

                       Thanx for listening  8-)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang)
Subject: HELP -- LILO 7.0 won't let me select other OS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:12:50 GMT


Hi, netters!

Hopefully I am not the only one who has this problem.  I just upgraded to
LILO 7.0.  (After some struggling.)  It seems to work fine except it won't
give me any chance to select other OS.  I use LILO as bootmaster to select
between LINUX, DOS and OS2.  LILO 5.0 worked great for me.  But LILO 7.0
won't take CNTL, SHIFT or ALT keys to show me prompt.  Whenever I press
these keys, as I used to do with LILO 5.0, LILO begins to lord Linux.  If
anyone else has the same problem and solves it, I would be very appreciated 
to receive your suggestion.  Thanks!

--Harry

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tree@midget.towson.edu (Denise Tree)
Subject: Re: Weird corruption w/0.99
Reply-To: tree@midget.towson.edu (Denise Tree)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:35:26 GMT


addendum: I forgot to mention that this corruption only appears
when I untar on my scsi drive, not on my conner 120 IDE.

My scsi adapter is an Adaptec 1542A.
 ______________________________________________________________________
_______________ Denise Tree
____________________________tree@midget.towson.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: seody@geo1.eecs.nwu.edu (Dae Y. Seo)
Subject: Cache & X-window Conflict
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 03:37:45 GMT

Hi Linuxers!
I had hard time in using mouse in X-window since the cursor was too 
easily freezed. The hot key combo(^Alt<-) didn't work either.
Now I have found which one is the culprit.
64k builtin external cache!
After switching off the cache, Now I have no problem in using my mouse.

My computer: Gateway2000 386DX with 387.
             Diamond Speedstar VGA version 3.23
             4Mbytes RAM.

Now I'm faced a new problem.
Without the cache, the DOS and Window applications are running too slowly.
I have heard there is a utility program that switches on/off
cache after booting. Any suggestion?

PLS send me an e-mail to seody@eecs.nwu.edu

Thank you in advance.

Dae Y Seo

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: holerbch@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Uwe Hollerbach)
Subject: Re: MONEY + Linux
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:10:10 GMT

In article <PK.92Dec18161601@talitiainen.cs.tut.fi> pk@cs.tut.fi (Kellom{ki Pertti) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.232925.6334@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
>   One of my fears is that Linux is really a hackers' tool.  I use UNIX as
>   a programming environment for linguistic research, using mostly C and
>   Icon.  I really don't care about the internals of the OS, except insofar
>   as they directly affect my research.  I'm not looking to have any fears
>   assuaged.  I'm curious, though, what the "grand plan" is for Linux.  Is
>   it supposed to end up replacing UNIX/386, or is it more like a really
>   neat Minix for people who have the time to fool with it?
>
>I can supply at least one data point of Linux being used for something
>else besides hacking the kernel. My wife used it for producing a large
>number of graphs of measurement data (don't ask me about the data!)
>for her Master's thesis in Plastics engineering. I wrote some
>awk/gnuplot scripts that she then used for generating PostScript.  If
>there is a free Icon system available, you could no doubt use Linux
>for your research.  I am not that much into kernel hacking myself, but
>I am very pleased that I can get the familiar X/Emacs/Scheme
>environment for free at home.
>
>So at least for me Linux offers a familiar environment in which I
>can do things that are of interest to me.
>--
>Pertti Kellom\"aki (TeX format)  #       These opinions are mine, 
>  Tampere Univ. of TeXnology     #              ALL MINE !
>      Software Systems Lab       #  (but go ahead and use them, if you like)
>
>


Well, I too have another datapoint. I am now in the late stages of writing a
significant (at least I think so) numerical program. When I found
Linux, some weeks ago, I was very pleased to be able to use
essentially the same tools I was using at work, but at home, and so I
have done a significant fraction of the work at home. The computations
are of course a lot slower on a 386sx/16+387 than on an Iris 4D/380,
but I can't type any faster on the one than on the other... and for
small test runs the speed difference doesn't matter that much, so I'm
happy. Thanks, all!
-- 
Uwe Hollerbach          uh@acm.princeton.edu  or  uh@alumni.caltech.edu
"In His infinite mercy, Allah does not subtract from one's alloted span those
hours which are spent in contemplation of net.news. All praise be to Allah."
-- an obscure commentator on the early work of Al-Khowariszmi
From: SF00@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Roger A. Blais)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Setting video mode without recompiling
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:10:40 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal


 I would like to know how I can set the video mode without having
 to recompile the kernel.  I'm using 0.98pl5 (SLS) and I know
 there's a way to do it when you boot on a floppy (with rdev -v)
 but this doesn't seem to work when I boot from the HD.

 Thanks very much.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: goer@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: MONEY + Linux
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:39:17 GMT

Can Linux go on forever without some commercial support?  I mean,
it's hard to see anything as useful that's maintained by folks that
aren't doing it for a living - at least the size of a 386 UNIX
implementation.  Is there some way that a useful remuneration path
can be arranged.  E.g. could universities be site-licensed, thereby
gaining the right to have attention paid to their bugs and config-
uration problems, and to receive regular updates?

This might seem to come out of the blue to people on this list, but
many, many people won't touch Linux because they don't see it as
"going anywhere" except into an endless chain of mixed expert and
amateurish accretions that can't possibly be maintained properly.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: Re: Wish list for Christmas
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:31:23 GMT

geek+@CMU.EDU (Brian E. Gallew) writes:

>What I would like to put on the wish list is for date(1) to update the
>CMOS clock.  My system has a basically dead battery, so the clock
>doesn't actually run when I shut it off.  When I restart the computer
>(if it hasn't been too long) the result of a date is the same time at
>which I shut the computer off.

You know...

A new battery may be a better answer.


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jbs@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Spaggie)
Subject: X runs correctly under .98 but not .98PL5 (Is this a bug?)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 04:35:02 GMT

	I posted a few days ago about a problem I was having with
the X distribution in SLS .98pl5.  I have installed the 
entire SLS dist, with Xfree861.0 and the correct Xconfig for
a trident SVGA.  The Xserver hangs right after it switches into
the graphics mode.  I worked on trying to debug this problem
for quite some time.  I upgraded the Xfree86 to 1.1 and still
had the same problem.  
	Just for the fun of it, I got the 0.98 bootimage
and booted it.  X ran fine.  It seems that the X worked under
.98pl0, but not under .98pl5.  Under both, I ran X with the -pn
option.  It appears this is a problem with the PL5.  I will try
.99 tonight and see what I get.

Thanks..
Jeff

=================================================================
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246 S. Salisbury #3                 Engineering Computer Network
West Lafayette, IN 47906            MSEE 104
(317) 743-7355                      (317) 494-3106 
Internet: jbs@ecn.purdue.edu        MSEE SB50:494-6106 
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From: gthomas@unixg.ubc.ca (Guy R Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS 0.98p5 wil not boot off HD
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:46:06 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

I am stumped.  Just got the SLS 0.98p5 off of tsx-11.mit.edu
rawrote the first two disks, etc. etc.  

-Booting off the BootDisk is no problem.  
-RootDisk mounts fine.  
-fdisk works.  
-mkfs makes a file system ( how do you check that by the way? ) 
-Packages install fine.
-dd seems to do its thing.

BUT

When I reboot the loading procedure goes to the point where the partition
table gets checked, reports it as OK and hangs there.

What gives?

Guy
gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jy10033@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: Brilliant idea: Linux as Homework!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:00:42 GMT

nselvara@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (Nagarajan Selvaraj) writes:

>Next semester we could take six hours of independent study to work
>on linux...

I just thought this was such a good idea, that it deserved to be posted
with a bolder, brighter subject line.  I apologize to those who read the
first message for the redundancy, but I didn't want anyone to miss this
opportunity.  If we can talk our intro-OS-hacking professors to let us do
Linux projects, we'd have extra time to work on Linux, and that's very
worthwhile.

As for a specific answer to your question:  if you don't have Linux,
then you can still write general Unix applications that will run on
all unixes, and we can use them under Linux.  Here's my first suggestion:

One wish of mine is a shell with the ability to give pop-up help
partway through the command-line.  In other words, you would type:

    $ lpr -P ?

and it would say:

    one of the following:
        printronix
        laserwriter

and then it would put the cursor back on the question mark, so you could
finish the command.

It might generate that help-text by running
    
    /usr/help/help-lpr -P

so, you could add help for another command by adding another
help-program to /usr/help.

It would be most useful if it were a set of patches to tcsh or bash.
That way, we wouldn't have to give up our favorite shell to get this
feature.

Later on, somebody might even design a special programming language to
make it easy to write help-programs.

This is a fairly hard project.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: colbert@astro.umd.edu (Edward J.M. Colbert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: linux=BIG PLUS  comp.os.linux=???  (==> you VOTE)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:30:58 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Astronomy Department

Linuxers,

I am always amazed at what continues to pour into the Linux pool,
at the expenses of many dedicated programmers and administrators,
to the benefit of ourselves, and all free!

However, I seem to increasingly dread reading comp.os.linux because
of all the traffic, knowing that unless I read it continuously, I will
have to spend a good hour or two scanning through the titles, and
picking what looks relevant to what I'm interested in.  If every one
of us is doing the same, then there must be an easy way to fix this 
problem.

Since comp.os.linux.announce is just cross-posted to comp.os.linux,
it doesn't help to reduce the traffic.  If we had comp.os.linux.xxx's
around, it would.

I'm taking a simple vote: would like it split/don't need it split.
Then, I'm just going to post the results of the vote.

To vote:

mail -s YES colbert@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu		to vote yes, favor a split
mail -s NO colbert@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu		to vote no, don't want split

I'll post the results as they come in.
Ed
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux