From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:47:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr13.004701.4423
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
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In article <1992Apr12.140140.15784@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
|> In <1992Apr12.080231.1207@ucc.su.OZ.AU> ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias) writes:
|> >This also leads into many other issues, not the least of which is that
|> >of adoption, which, in Australia at least, is so actively discouraged,
|> >that it can cause far more pain and trauma than an abortion, I see easy
|> >adoption as being one real option for a woman (or couple) who don't want
|> >a child, but in Australia there seems to be this insane atttitude that
|> >you are some kind of unfeeling beast to give up your child. What is even
|> >more insane is that a woman will be made to feel even more guilty for
|> >giving a child up for adoption than having an abortion.This is primarily
|> >a result of the belief that there is an irreversible bonding that goes on
|> >during pregnancy. I have at least one counterexample to this claim in
|> >my family, and I DO NOT believe that this bonding is some physical,
|> >inevitable thing. I don't understand why the issues of abortion, adoption
|> >surrogacy, government child support and many other issues are so
|> >religiously separated, and no one ever looks at them all together.
|> >They are inseparable as far as I can see.
|> 
|> 
|> kitten jumps in on this one, too.....(i need SOMEBODY in my mailbox to
|> keep me busy so i won't get into these discussions)
|> 
|> "adoption is not easy here in the u.s. either.  i have a friend who
|> basically grew up in a foster home...oh, he lived with his
|> parents...but they were foster parents to several other children...he
|> saw a lot...and has carried it with him...i think the saddest thing i
|> ever heard was when he was telling me about one of these children who
|> died...and he was glad.  they child was handicapped, had been sexually
|> and physically abused and had no chance of any kind of "life" .  it
|> was virtually a vegetable and he said that it was better off dead,
|> even though the loss was unbelievably painful for all the folx who had
|> cared for it.
|> 
|> i work with a woman who is infertile...she has gone to doctor after
|> doctor and clinic after clinic...trying to get pregnant.  she and her
|> husband are trying to arrange for an adoption...the system is making
|> it impossible for her to get a child... all those people who
|> stand around outside abortion clinics and say...'give your baby up for
|> adoption' have NO clue what that entails...both for the woman involved
|> and anyone who wants to be an adoptive parent..."
|> 
|> kitten has started ranting....time to do something else....
|> --

   "No kitten, you are not ranting. You are telling the truth. I have
  watched fundamentalists on Larry King Live tell how they are against
  abortion and then a few minutes later tell how they are against sex
  education and pre-natel care for the poor. It is rather obvious to
  me that they care about telling the woman what she can and can't do,
  but are totally unconcerned about the actual health of the fetus or
  the woman. Sigh. Alot of soapboxes. Alot of them. A few people, in
  my opinion, have been fooled into believing the subject is about
  the future of the fetus, when it is about power over women. And
  nothing else. You're right, these things need to be used on the
  bonfire, enough soapboxes." NickD.

-- 
     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce aka Nick D.

    "I want a new duck...." Weird Al Yankovic
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