From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology FAQ.
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:26:14 GMT
Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona

In article <1992Nov23.062014.3810@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.233652.20206@lds-az.loral.com>
>jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.144004.4689@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
>>rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>[...]
>>>OK, I'll buy (literally, I guess) that I have to pay through the nose
>>>to get your 'trade secrets' (although the orginal Buddha gave his info
>>>away!)...

A lot of info is available for free.  You can read a book for free
(borrow from another or library or read in a Scn church).  You can even
get auditing for free in several ways.

>>
>>Public would pay for the courses.  See my Scientology Questions & Answers
>>for why things cost money.
>
>See an upcoming thread for a discussion on whether the fees (excuse
>me, 'donations' (what a scam!)) are reasonable.
>
>You also mention that 'public' pay for courses.  I understand that
>employess or whatever you call non-public, have reductions in fees in
>some cases, and elimination of them in others.  However, should one
>leave, those fees are due immediately (please correct me if this is a
>misapprehension).  Do you consider this a fair practice?  It seems to

Incorrect.  This debt is not demanded.  It is required to be paid prior
to the person getting other training or services.  I, for one, have never
paid for any training or auditing, yet have received both.

It is a good idea to require this to keep less ethical people from
going on staff to get a lot of training and auditing and then suddenly
leave.  The 2.5 year contract must be fulfilled after which no debt is
owed.

>me this can be very easily abused by the Church, as it can allow (and
>encourage) a person to run up several thousand dollars in services,
>without paying - only to hold those fees over his head should he wish
>to leave.

I have left staff in the past before contract completion.  No one ever
threatened me regarding my debts.  It isn't an issue unless I had wanted
to get other auditing or training.

>
>[...]
>>>OK, so I've gone all the way through all the courses, paid for it all,
>>>& now I'm a Field Auditor (tm)...how independant am I?  Do I now get
>>>to use the Tech (tm) in any way I see fit?  Am I answerable in any way
>>>to the Church (tm)?  How much control can the Church (tm) exert over
>>>my actions?
>>
>>You are very independent.  However, you would have to apply Scn tech
>>standardly (otherwise you would be a squirrel).  You're not answerable
>>to the Church per se unless you begin squirrelling.  The Church wouldn't
>>exert any control over you other than seeing that you apply standard tech
>>and a couple of policies for field auditors relating to same.
>
>Am I independant enough to conduct a truly scientific investigation of
>the claims of Scn?  In another post someone discussed what a good
>scientific evaluation of Scn would entail.  Would I and my research
>team have enough independance to conduct our investigation in
>accordance with this?  I don't have the text listing what's involved,
>but I'm sure whoever posted it in the first place can repost, if
>needed - or I'll tell you what I think such an investigation would
>require.  In any event, when you understand what is involved, please
>tell us if a Field Auditor would have the freedom to conduct such
>tests (actually a group of them, as a team is required).

No reason that I know of would hinder the research.  As long as
copyrights and trademarks are not misused, there is no reason for the
Church to say anything to you about it.

>
>>>Here's another question to throw at you - what's the difference
>>>between a Field Auditor (tm) and a Squirrel (tm)?
>>
>>A squirrel would be altering the tech.  A field auditor would use standard
>>tech.
>
>Please give us some examples of how Squirrels commonly alter the Tech,
>if you know.  Any Squirrels out there willing to identify yourselves,
>please respond here as well, or e-mail me & I will repost or summarize.

EST (now The Forum) is a squirrel group (and openly admits it).  Free Zone,
if I understood correctly, is also a squirrel group.  There are several
tech bulletins which illustrate squirreling and its danger.  I am not
an expert in this field so I can not detail this more.

Jonathon
Barbera
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