From: shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Massacre in Kashmir
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:36:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
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Summary: Well, well what do you know ! It is good to see rehabilitation .....
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !

In article <1993Jan8.173003.46230@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <C0Jn6G.3v8@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v122npej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu 
>(Sareer A Fazili) writes:
>> This is in response to Vivek, he of the firm faith in the "security forces"
>> lodged some 500,000 strong in Kashmir. It is too bad that some of us can't see
>> the writing on the wall when it comes to the brutal force being used by the
>> forces on the INNOCENT Kashmiri civilian population. As I have stated in the
>> past, for every gun-toting militant shot by India, good for them. That is what
>> they are up against when they wage a war such as the one they are engaged in.
>> However, when the civilians feel the effects of the backlash after the army
>> gets hit by the MUJAHEDDIN, then that is wrong. 
>>
> As you have rightly claimed Mujhadeen will always be *tortured* and probably
> given a "Mussorie shower" by IA. However your nasty support for Kashmiri
> militants - who are nothing but JKLF (Pak aided) forces, is another proof that
> a supporter of "dar-ul-Islams" like yourself, is nothing more than a hollow
> empty tin-drum making the cacophonous noise beaten over and over again by the
> Pakistani Lying Machine (a la Islamabad propaganda). India already has the
> information that Pakistan has the nuclear technology - to drop bombs in India
> as the first attempt. One cannot expect any good out of such persons - who
> have most likely appointed you as their spokesperson. Now that U.S-Pak
> relations been on the decline, Pakistan better change her generally-terrorist
> views on Kashmir. It would otherwise be the last chance for both Kashmir and
> Pakistan to enter the civilized world. 
>
> Moreover, including all dar-ul-Islambadis like yourself, probably might take
> care because the worst part of the riots may not be over yet. (Read the NYT,
> 22nd Nov. (special report) by Ed. Gargan).
> 
> 
>> And if you think that this "insurgency" is quieting down, then you are
>> mistaken

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>> sons have been beaten and tortured, whose daughters have been raped, and those
>> who have felt the invective of these "peacekeepers." What India has started,
>> there can be no end to unless they see the light. That sun is slowly but surely
>> starting to rise in Kashmir.
>> 
>> 
>> Sareer A. Fazili
>
> Again I am quite happy to congratulate you on your "correct" view on Islamic
> insurgency. GOI will and has crushed severely the Islamic/ Hindu militancy
> in the past. This time the riots have shown that the voice of the majority
> (Hindus) be better listened to. Moreover, Islamic oligarchy in Kashmir aided
> by Pakistan will also get under attack unless the Islamic country resorts to
> more civilized measures. The attack will come from the United Nations. I am
> pretty sure that Pakistan will not like to get crushed by others.
>
> It is also important to assess India's recent blunder. India, in the recent
> times, has indicated that Israel allow then expelled Arab/ PLO militants to 
> return back into Israel. This interference by India really sucks. It is
> entirely because of such stupid moves by Rao and his enlightened co. that
> India will see a rise in Islamic and Hindu fundamentalism - with warring
> factions on both sides. 
>
> I am really appalled because it is exactly this _mentality_ that drove the
> LTTE militants against India. Why bother with others ???? If someone cannot
> behave properly in a country then whatever that country decides is her sole
> responsibility. It is a total infringement on someone soverignity. This
> attitude encourages tadpoles like Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. to raise their
> voice against India.
>
>    Enough said for now,
>
>     - deb chatterjee
>    (a good samaritan) 

Dear deb chatter jee,

Glad to see a remarkable improvement in your language, and hope for further
progress as time goes on......

Actually, the scenario opening up today in India is, I must say, remarkable !

The tadpoles you talk about, namely Pakistan and Bangladesh, are really a gift
of Indian Hindoo democratic and freedom loving values. Which btw YOU should know better than most people, a la *a good samaritan*, or is it just something you
add under your name to feel good about ?.

What seems to be the problem with you having other *tadpoles* ( Now, here is
the dilemma ..... Are they tadpoles of a frog or of a toad, prithee, tell us
wont u, good samaritan ? ) like Islamic Republic of Kashmir, Kerala and Bengal
who will represent Indian democatic ideals and values from their existence,
just as Pakistan and Bangladesh do today ? 

How do you know that the *tadpoles* will not be better off with their own
government and their own problems to solve, than causing unnecessary blood-
shed of innocents, mostly muslims today, and will let India persue making
more supercomputers, nuclear technology (another atomic explosion or two..),
and may actually result in the Indian government allocating a larger 
security force to protect its leaders (Gandhi, Indra, and her son Rajiv)
from Hindoo and Sikh fanatics ?

Best Regards,
Shams  Hasan.





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