From: ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen)
Subject: Re: Hillel, Shammai & the Oral Torah (was Re: An Old Question
Organization: University of Turku
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Date: 18 Nov 92 10:25:26

In article <1992Nov16.222944.12721@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
> In article <LJMORLY.92Nov16161600@polaris.utu.fi> ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen) writes:
> >that R. Hillel did consider also the Oral Torah significant. However
> >we must remember that there really are things added to it afterwards,
> >like the idea that sacrifices are no longer needed for atonement, but
> >somehow the Day of Atonement has become the central factor in it, and
> >repentance is enough. That's R. Yochanan ben Zakkai's invention and
> >was not the original Jewish view.

> As posted in the past, this last segment is an invention of the
> missionaries and has nothing to do with Judaism.  Once the temple
> is rebuilt, the sacrifices could be reestablished.  Until then
> proper tshuvah (see RMBM on what is proper tshuva) is what we can
> do.

Lev. 17:11: "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given
it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; IT IS THE BLOOD
THAT MAKES ATONEMENT FOR ONE'S LIFE."

MB>  Until the Temple was destroyed in A.D.  70, Jewish teaching emphasized
     the  necessity of blood atonement.  According to the Talmud, "There is
     not atonement (kapparah) without the  blood"  (Yoma  51;  Zebahim  6a;
     Menahot 93b).

But after there was no temple, Jews who didn't accept Yeshua as the 
sacrifice were in troubles... Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai was walking 
with Rav Joshua when the latter saw the Temple in ruins. He cried out:

    "Woe to us that this is in ruins -- the place where the sins of
     Israel were expiated !" Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai replied: "My
     son, be not grieved, we have a means of atonement that is 
     commensurate with it. Which is this ? It is the performance of
     acts of lovingkindness, as it is said, 'For I delight in loyalty
     rather than sacrifice' [Hosea 6:6]." (Avot de Rabbi Nathan 4:18)

Thus teaching against Scriptures was considered better than accepting the
sacrifice of Yeshua. Furthermore, there were signs that implied that
God didn't even accept the temple sacrifices anymore, like that a cord
stopped turning white and the doors of the temple started opening by
themselves. 

Yet even the disciples of Yeshua continued doing the sacrifices as 
ordered in Torah until the destruction of the temple. The relationship
between animal sacrifices and the Lamb that God provided can be seen
so that Yeshua is the ultimate meaning of the whole sacrificial system.
Thus even before him all sacrifices were merely symbolic; they couldn't
take away the sins, only turn away the wrath of God. The longing for 
the Redeemer, who would restore our relationship with God, is seen e.g.
in the book of Job.

Job 19:25: "I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will
stand upon the earth/my grave."

> ____________________________________________________
> | Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
> | H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
> |_____________________|____________________________|

P.s. Bruce Tiffany; is it OK to use 'MB' for Mike Brown ?

- Laura
--
"They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and
strength.' All who have raged against him will come to him and
be put to shame. But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel
will be found righteous and will exult."       Yeshaya 45:24-25

"Achen Ata El mistater Elohei Israel Moshia."  Yeshaya 45:15
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