From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Be One With Yourself...
Summary: What is this?  talk.religion.not.even.good.newage.crap? 
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.191835.22191@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.170250.14130@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>>c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) wrote (in article <1992Oct6.053306.27154@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>):
>>>What is so wrong with the fact that a human life is dependent on its mother?
>>
>>Nothing, nothing at all!  What's _wrong_ is that you say that it's
>>always unpermissible to kill the human life.  You're conveniently
>>ignoring the fact that the mother may have a very good reason to not
>>want to play host to the fetus.
>
>Approximately 98% of abortions in America are done for social reasons.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that the mother may have a very good
reason to not want to play host to the fetus.

>Now do these social reasons take precedence over destroying human life?

If that "human life" happens to be inhabiting my body, and I don't want
it there, yes.

>>
>>>Being dependent does not mean not existing.
>>
>>I never said it did.
>>
>>>As for your above statements concerning pigs and z/e/f, I am saddened.
>>>I can understand how some people can justify abortion when they compare
>>>human lives, real human lives, human lives who actually exist, to pigs.
>>
>>And I'm saddened by your position, too, but I can understand how some
>>people want to try to compare my life to the life of a fertilized egg,
>>and say that we're both equal (which is something of an insult to me),
>>but that the fertilized egg is more important than the woman who
>>carries it (which is an insult to the woman).
>
>The being that exists at conception is exactly the same being that turns
>out to be a forty year old musician, a seven year old child prodigee or
>whatever.  

This statement is not correct, as anybody who has seen a woman who has
been pregnant for 7 months, a 7 year old child, and a 40 year old
person can attest to.

>
>You are special.  Peter Nyikos is special.  Adrienne Regard is special.

Define "special".  Please be sure to use an unbiased, primary source.

>All our human lives began in a very delicate and very fragile state from

So delicate and fragile that ~50% of fertilized eggs never implant...

>the time of conception.  We grew from that point on and developed to our
>present state today.  At each point of the way, we are essentially no
>different.  In whatever way you put it,the one year old newborn, the

At each point of the way, we may be completly different.

>ten year old boy/girl, and the present day you is essentially the same 
>individual.  You, are one with yourself.  That includes, of course, 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Zen?  I think not...

>every stage of your life from conception onwards.

This statement is not correct.
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