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From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:31:24 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<JMC.92Nov16085941@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU's message of 16 Nov 92 08:59:41

> Very likely, Petr Beckmann . . . would be glad to speak
> to your class.  His views are not entirely conventional.

=o= On the contrary, a view that prompts one to pull facts
out of context and rearrange them so as to thoroughly
misrepresent the truth is all too conventional.  Beckmann
has consistently applied such a view to both environmental
issues and organizations.

=o= Indeed, he attempted to do so in this very forum.  He
was stupid enough to try to refute something I'd asserted
from a source by extracting a sentence fragment from that
same source.  (Needless to say, everything surrounding that
fragment told quite the opposite story.)

=o= Don't take my word for it; read Beckmann's book, _The_
_Health_Hazards_of_NOT_Going_Nuclear_.  (Don't waste your
hard-earned money on it, though -- get it out of a library.)
You'll see that his "not entirely conventional" views don't
come across much differently from the utter dredges of the
Usenet's worst flaming.
    <_Jym_>
Newsgroups: talk.environment,talk.politics.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Denouncation of the Arrest of Russian Scientist Vil Mirzayanov
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:45:42 GMT

In article <Greenpeace.19Nov1992.1711@naughty-peahen> Greenpeace via Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>[Greenpeace Press Release from Greenbase -- Redistribute Freely]
>
>GREENPEACE DENOUNCES RUSSIAN SCIENTIST'S ARREST 
>  
>MOSCOW October 28, 1992 (GP) Greenpeace today issued a demand
>for the immediate release of Vil Mirzayanov, a Russian scientist

Eti armiane nevozmozhniy narod. Nu chert ikh dergaet vezde bit` v tsentre
vniamnia. Ot nikh odni skandali i nepriyatnosti.


Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: murali@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (muralidaran v)
Subject: Gas wastage and banks customer service
Keywords: gas waste easy lifestyle
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:22:57 GMT

I have lived in this country for several years and one thing that
amazes me is that: Why even small changes in ingrained habits 
and institutional functioning are not being thought of, which
can reduce consumption? 
For example, the drive in service at the banks? Is it 
necessary, does it save it time at all? My experience has been that
when i have gone to the bank for a transaction , there are long lines of
cars all running, consuming gas and polluting for anything bettween 10 min
to 30 min. In fact the first time i went on a sataurday, they refused to
serve me since i was on foot! Are people so lazy that they cannot get
off and walk in to the bank, or cannot the same bank person serve the
people if they stand in line inside. May be this is not true for all banks
but for the ones in Champaign do         certainly encourage
wasteful consumption and lazy lifestyles.
From: martin7559@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: social justice
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:52:52 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        I'm interested in hearing opinions about incorporating
more social justice issues into the environmental movement.
Any responses?
                                Heather Martin
                                martin7559@iscsvax.uni.edu

Newsgroups: talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: ACTIVISM: Rainforest Campaign Against Mitusbishi
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:48:58 GMT

It would be nice if your call to boycott included some information as
to *why* we are to boycott Mitsubishi.  All that posting said was that
they hurt the rainforest.  *How* do they hurt the rainforest?

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment
From: jason@writer.yorku.ca (Jason Nolan)
Subject: Incineration in Japan and Europe
Originator: jason@grant
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:28:42 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend who is a Professor of Environmental
Education at another university.  If you can help, please e-mail me,
rather than post a response, as I'm not really able to fathom all the
stuff in these newsgroups in addition to the ones that I follow for my
own work.

What she would like to know pertains to the use of Incinerators in
Japan, and also in Europe.  In Ontario, incineration is a taboo topic,
so the government is destroying A1 farmland to use as dumps.  But what
about smaller countries, where space is not available.  These
countries obviously have active recycling programs, but what about
that which does not get recycled?  Do these countries have any
advanced technology for incineration?  Does Japan do more with its
refuse than build airports in Osaka harbour with it?

My friend really appreciates my posting this request (which is nothing
cause I owe her a few), so I'll pass along her thanks to those who
should get it--any of you who can pass some information back to me.

Thanks in advance,

Jason Nolan
jason@writer.yorku.ca e-mail
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From: Gosbell@FEDCMAC.EDC.RMIT.EDU.AU (Kerryn Gosbell)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Energy efficiency in higher education
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:16:09 GMT
Followup-To: talk.environment
Organization: RMIT
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerryn.edc.rmit.oz.au

RMIT university in Melbourne is conducting research into the incorporation
of energy issues into tertiary education curriculum and energy use on
campus.

As the projects Research Assistant I am seeking to compile information
regarding these two areas of energy in tertiary institutions across the
world.

Topics covered in course curriculum could include for example:
	% Energy efficiency and conservation
	% Environmental and social impacts of energy
	% Energy economics / cost
	% Energy management
	% Renewable and alternative energy
	% Energy use
	% Design for energy efficiency

I am specifically seeking to identify examples of curriculum materials and
activities such as research projects, guest speakers, field visits and
information sources used, but am also interested in finding out what
contexts are set for students. ie. Why is energy conservation worth
pursuing?

In addition, I am seeking information regarding any work that has been
undertaken which looks at the actual energy consumption of tertiary
institutions and at ways of reducing this consumption.

If anyone has information or relevant contacts in either of these two areas
I would appreciate hearing from them either through my E-mail address or by
sending material to me via the postal address below.

Thanks!

Kerryn Gosbell
Department of Planning, Policy & Landscape
RMIT
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia  3001
Newsgroups: talk.environment,alt.president.clinton
From: dnebing@andy.bgsu.edu (dnebing)
Subject: Re: INFO: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers Telegram to Bill Clinton
Followup-To: talk.environment,alt.president.clinton
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:38:13 GMT

  This is the worst case of brown-nosing that I have ever seen.
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Notch another one up for the Greennazis
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.030205.1631@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> abrown@hpcvcec.cv.hp.com (Allen Brown) writes:

>> I still want to know where was Greenpeace when Saddam was dumping oil
>> in the Gulf and setting the fields on fire? ...

>As I recall Greenpeace was very upset.  But remember two things here.

Not according to their press release. Saddam was never condemned by name
for his deliberate acts of destruction. The US was condemned.

   Allen
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From: 6500axel@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Axel Boldt)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Recycling is wrong.
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:09:24 GMT
Reply-To: 6500axel@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu


In article <27417@dog.ee.lbl.gov> b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) 
writes:

>In article <40871@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew
>Harrington) writes:

>|> I'd like to decorate my bumper with some stickers promoting
>|> environmentalism and recycling.  Does anyone know a  source
>|> for these?

>Just be aware that there is some amount of cognitive dissonance
>in putting environmental labels on a car, which has caused
>a tremendous amount of environmental damage in California.
>And of course, bumperstickers aren't recyclable.

There is still another contradiction: recycling <-> environmentalism. I 
think we should promote the *reduction* of ressource consumption. 
Everything else is on the wrong track. Recycling uses tremendous amounts 
of energy, and it is no cycle at all: it is a spiral going down. The quality
of the recycled product is always less than the quality of the product
you started with. 

It's the old game: trying to find technological solutions for problems
caused by wrong behaviour. It won't work!

Reduction and Reusing is the only way!

Axel.
From: tf26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Truman Fenton)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: Grad. School info..
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:10:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>From: 471-1@.arizona.edu (E. Shane Jimerfield)
>Subject: Grad. School info..
>Date: 22 Nov 92 07:28:24 GMT
> 
>Howdy Eco-folks:
> 
>I'm currently studying Atmosheric Sciences at the University of AZ.
>The time has come for me to start thinking seriously about grad school.
>I'm still in a personal debate as to wether I should continue in Atmo
>Sci. or switch to Environmental Sci. for my grad studies.
> 
>So, if you have any thoughts on this please let me know. 
> 
>Most importantly what are some good schools to check out that have
>profs doing current research in atmospheric pollution and modeling?
> 
>please e-mail
>-- 
>Take 'er easy.... Shane
>.watch out for the lightning (a large-scale high-tension natural electric
>discharge in the atmosphere)......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>..informal... a sudden usually improbable stroke of fortune.......
 

Shane,
    I have a friend who was studying at Berkeley and has now gone to the
university of Washington (in Washington state, not Wash-U in D.C.)  I
believe that both places offer excellent graduate programs in
atmospheric studies.  I don't remember anymore details, but my friend
was studying cloud physics at one point and at another was studying
global warming and helping to develope the algorythms used for current
predictions.

Truman
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Newsgroups: talk.environment
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:31:42 -0500 
From: Student Enviro-Link <env-link+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION
	<JMC.92Nov16085941@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

The Student Environmental Action Coalition is a nationwide student
organization that would be able to provide the information you
requested.  Unfortunately I do not have specific information for who the
contact is in Colorado, but if you call or send e-mail to the following
address, they will be able to provide you with the info that you need.

SEAC National Office
919-967-4600
<seac@igc.org>
From: ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu (Ethan Bodin)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: junk mail
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:30:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1emn57INNeg7@aludra.usc.edu>, rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy) writes:
> I receive too much junk mail!  Is there any way to stop this?
> 
>                     Thanks,
>                         Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)


the most productive thing to do is write to the "Direct Marketing Association"
with your address, saying you do not wish to be included on their mailing
lists, which they sell to mass marketers.  this will stop further distribution
of your name, but those who already have it already have it...

I lost DMA's address, but you should be able to find it somehow...
Xref: sparky talk.environment:4729 sci.environment:12959 sci.energy:5711
From: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark)
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.energy
Subject: Re: Pu production (was: Greennazis
Keywords: Plutonium! Satan! Evil! Danger! Run Away! Run Away!
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:36:21 GMT


	Any Pu produced would be mixed in with the rest of the spent
fuel. By "not bomb-grade" do you just mean this(i.e. separation would be
needed) or  is there a further difference?

	G.
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.energy
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: Notch another one up for the Greennazis
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:39:09 GMT

In article <17034@umd5.umd.edu> bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams) writes:
>In article <JMC.92Nov16001311@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> John McCarthy,
>jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>I suppose the ultimate upshot of the flap is that the Japanese will
>>build their own reprocessing plant.  Then when we finally give up
>>Jimmy Carter's foolish idea that it would provide a "good example"
>>to not salvage the plutonium from our own spent fuel rods, we can
>>send our fuel rods to Japan to be reprocessed - with one more
>>well-deserved hit in the balance of trade.

Hmmm, I think you may be on to something ... but have the trade
balance backward ...  We don't use refined plutonium in our power
reactors, so the plutonium would be of most value to the Japanese
who could actually use it conveniently... This would put the US
in the Pu exporting business, and *help* our balance of trade!

Golly, we could become a source of 'minerals' to the Japanese ...

>If the Japanese do establish such a plant, they will soon be the only
>ones.  They can have it.

Are the Europeans abandoning reprocessing?

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
Xref: sparky talk.environment:4641 sci.environment:12800 sci.energy:5503
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.energy
Subject: Re: Notch another one up for the Greennazis
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:52:39 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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In article <JMC.92Nov16001311@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> John McCarthy,
jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU writes:
>I suppose the ultimate upshot of the flap is that the Japanese will
>build their own reprocessing plant.  Then when we finally give up
>Jimmy Carter's foolish idea that it would provide a "good example"
>to not salvage the plutonium from our own spent fuel rods, we can
>send our fuel rods to Japan to be reprocessed - with one more
>well-deserved hit in the balance of trade.

If the Japanese do establish such a plant, they will soon be the only
ones.  They can have it.
___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Subject: Public Citizen Rates States on Energy Use.
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: talk
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:14:48 EST


Here is a press release from Public Citizen.

 Public Citizen Rates States on Energy Use
 To: National Desk, Environment and Energy writers
 Contact: Jonathan Becker, 202-546-4996, or Andrew Carroll,
          202-833-3000, both of Public Citizen

   WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 -- All but three states rely on 
"dirty, dangerous and depletable" energy resources to meet a
majority of their energy needs, according to a report released by
Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project, while none of the 50
states has even approached its potential in developing alternatives
to coal, nuclear and oil-generated power.
   The report, Energy Audit: A State-by-State Profile of Energy
Consumption and Conservation highlights the need for greater
funding of energy policies at the state level and describes some
policy tools states can employ to increase energy efficiency and
reliance on clean, safe and renewable energy resources.
   "Even with a new federal energy bill, much of the responsibility
for energy choices falls to the states," said Jonathan Becker,
energy-policy analyst for Public Citizen, "and it's clear that some
states are making much wiser decisions than others."
   Energy Audit contains Public Citizen's analysis of four key
idicators of energy use.  The report describes the experiences of
a number of states that have produced thorough and innovative
approaches to meeting their energy needs.
   "Federal energy policy is still controlled by the fossil-fuel
and nuclear power lobbies," continued Becker.  "It has been left up
to the states to implement a fair, safe and sensible energy plan."
Governors of all 50 states have been sent copies of Energy Audit:
A State-by-State Profile of Energy Consumption and Conservation.
   Copies of the 45-page Energy Audit are available from Public
Citizen at a cost of $40.  Discounts are available to non-profit
organizations and schools.  Members of the press may receive the
study free of charge on request.
   Public Citizen is a non-profit research and advocacy
organization founded in 1971 by Ralph Nader.  Public Citizen has
over 130,000 members nationwide.  The Critical Mass Energy Project
is its energy-policy arm.
 -30-
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From: Graeme.Montagu@p0.f40.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Graeme Montagu)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Animal Ethics?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:51:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/40.0 - Layout de Marillac, Johannesburg

 -=> Quoting Truman Fenton to All <=-

 TF> I have heard a great deal of talk about ethics and animal treatment.
 TF> I agree that no animal should be tortured.  That I WILL take for
 TF> granted. However,  why is it unethical to hunt?  I will agree that
 TF> standing back fro 300 yards with a dear rifle is not cunning or sporty,
 TF> but is it unethical?  If an animal is killed only for a trophy and the

 Unfortunately, I couldn't reply to your question from an ethical
 point of view, but I sincerely believe that hunting is justified.  It
 is a singularly major source of foreign investment in rural areas of
 sub-Saharan Africa.  Funds obtained from the trophy hunting of game is
 given back to the rural community of that area.  The animal carcass
 is also consumed by the locals.  In so doing, the continued existence
 of both endangered wildlife and local human community is ensured in
 co-existence.

Regards
Graeme


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Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.energy
From: rat1@me1.MsState.Edu (Robert Thompson)
Subject: Re: Notch another one up for the Greennazis
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:49:02 GMT

In article <JMC.92Nov17160634@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>While we aren't using the plutonium in our spent fuel rods, we aren't
>throwing it away either.
>
>Can any of the nuclear engineers say how much fissionable material there
>is between the plutonium and leftover U-235 compared to the original
>content of U-235 in the enriched uranium used as fuel?
>--

Just having finished giving a lecture on in-core fuel management, well,
here goes:

Over a reactor lifetime roughly a quarter of the total reactor
power comes from plutonium fission.  After three cycles in the
core what comes out is something like, less than 1 weight percent
enriched U-235, maybe 0.8 weight percent Pu-241.  Pretty diffuse
concentrations, would take considerable effort to enrich to 
weapons-grade material.  Hard enough to simply recycle the Pu
into MOX (mixed-oxide) fuel.  Wish I could be more precise on the
left-over concentrations, but I haven't had access to any decent
depletion codes since I came back to school this fall.  Anybody
with a good commercial depletion code (CASMO/SIMULATE) could give
you number densities and total mass.

--Another environmentalist for nuclear energy--