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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Arbitrator resolves Pens/Whalers compensation issue
Keywords: Pietrangelo and "future considerations"
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:46:28 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


This has been reprinted (without permission) from clari.sports.hockey:


	HARTFORD, Conn. (UPI) -- An NHL arbitrator Monday sided with the
Hartford Whalers in their compensation dispute with the Pittsburgh
Penguins over goalie Frank Pietrangelo, the Whalers said.
	The Whalers acquired Pietrangelo March 10 for ``future
considerations,'' but the two teams disagreed over what those terms
should be.
	League arbitrator Allan Hinnegan, ruling from his office in Chatham,
Ontario, accepted the Whalers' proposal to give the Penguins their
third- and seventh-round draft choices in the 1994 NHL entry draft.
	The Penguins' proposal was not disclosed, the announcement said.
	After the trade, Pietrangelo, 27, played in five regular-season games
for Hartford and appeared in all seven playoff games against the
Montreal Canadiens, recording a 2.68 goals-against average in the
series.
	When the two clubs failed to reach agreement on compensation for
Pietrangelo, the two teams submitted the dispute to arbitration Sept. 8
and handed their proposals over to Hinnegan last Friday.


Lori
Contact for the Penguins
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From: bab@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Alan Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: nhlsch?
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:10:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Did I miss the posting of the NHL schedule program?

bab
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:38:31 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Penguins '92-'93

HEY - EXCUSE ME !!!  Your message is a typical example of you being jealous
that your favorite team does not have the Cup.  Yes, I will brag and say WE ARE
 THE DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!!  Many Penguins, stated that us, yes the
 fans (ME AND MANY OTHERS) were able to pump the team up and motivate them to
knock the regular season champion Rangers out of the building, you know "1940!
 1940!!"  Yes, I am a season ticket holder, I do pay part of their salaries,
and yes - the Penguin players even stated that 'the fans played just as big a
role for us as we did' --- so I, and every Pittsburhger, have a right to say
WE -- Are The Stanley Cup Champions - Thank You!!!  IT took 24 years to get
here and we'll show you what 3-peat really means!!!!!!
                       ---Robbie Po!!!!!
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From: scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns)
Subject: Re: Rangers Training Camp still in Glens Falls???
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:08:42 GMT

In article <farenebt.716139172@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
|> All I know, is that last year the Rangers trained in GF. Also note, however,
|> that NYR has done half its camp in Rye, NY (on Long Island, I believe) and
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm... I play hockey at Rye Playland (the NYR practice site) and always thought
I was in Westchester.

|> then moved to Glens Falls about half way through. 

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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu
Subject: TV time
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:01:05 -0400


CNN had a hockey segment last night.
Footage of Leetch and mention of his scoring prowess.
( I guess he signed some new deal)
Footage of Lindros and an annoucement that
he would not play in the exhibition game AT Quebec
( since the fans might not have forgiven him yet...was the explaination
given by Fred or Dwaye or who ever anchors CNN sports)
but Eric would play vs. Q'bec at Philly.

When will Ted Turner buy a team and really exploit TV for
the betterment of Ice Hockey in North America.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Best forwards ever?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.114146.7568@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
>I just received my "Inside HOCKEY, Yearbook '93" and I found an interesting
>article relating to recent discussion on r.s.h.
>
> By Stan Fischler
>
> "THE FIVE BEST
> 
> Below are the teams for which the top five six-man forward units in NHL
> history played. Stars-ratings are based on the group as a whole.
>
> Team			Year			Star Rating
> ----			----			-----------
>
> Montreal		1955-56			******
>	Beliveau, H. Richard, M. Richard
>	Geoffrion, Moore, Olmstead
>
> Pittsburgh		1991-92			******
>	Francis, Jagr, Lemieux
>	Mullen, Stevens, Tocchet
>
> Edmonton		1983-84			****
>	Anderson, Gretzky, Hughes
>	Kurri, Linseman, Messier
>

This certainly isn't even the Oilers best year...

87---Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen, Nilsson
88---Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen, Simpson

Both of which are better than anything the Penguins can put on the
ice...consider Gretzky and Lemieux a wash, Messier is better than Francis,
Kurri was the best winger in the NHL during the eighties is better than
Stevens, Anderson could match Jagr's offense and big goals and add
defense to the mix, Tikkanen and Tocchet are about even...what Tikkanen
lacks in toughness, he makes up in skating and checking ability and
a big mouth, and Nilsson and Simpson are certainly equals if not
the superior to Mullen.  The Oiler group is better on offense, defense,
skating, talent...the Pittsburgh group has only one player who can
remotely be considered being among the best players of all time...the
Oilers have three, with Anderson being just a slight rung below...and
if Kent Nilsson would have played his entire career with Gretzky and
Messier, he would have been the best Swede to have ever played the game
because he had as much talent as any Swedish player, but played most
of his career on cruise control.


This is clearly Fischler anti-Oiler anti-Gretzky bias showing again.


> Islanders		1981-82			****
>	Bossy, Bourne, Gillies
>	Goring, Tonelli, Trottier
>
> Montreal		1975-76			***
>	Cournoyer, Lafleur, Lemaire
>	Shutt, Mahovlich, Lambert"
>
>
>Stan continues: "Conclusion: Over a five-year period no one can match the
>consistency and arsenal of the 1956-60 Canadiens. Given time, though,
>Pittsburgh just might."
>
>Any comments? Is Stan correct this time? If so, I believe some people here
>just might have to start munching words.
>

Fischler has rocks in his head again.

Gerald
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best forwards ever?
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:22:14 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <RICH.92Sep10115058@quik.clearpoint.com> rich@quik.clearpoint.com writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.114146.7568@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:

>  

>   Stan continues: "Conclusion: Over a five-year period no one can match the
>   consistency and arsenal of the 1956-60 Canadiens. Given time, though,
>   Pittsburgh just might."

>  
>Please remember the UNFAIR French Canadian rule which brought these players
>to Montreal. Because of this rule, the Canadiens had the most unfair
>advantage in hockey history when it came to drafting players. There is a
>great book on this subject "Don't Remember the Title" that tells of all
>the players they drafted through this rule, and all the players they would
>have had if the rule was still active. It's scary seeing the players in the
>league today who would have been Montreal property. At least the Penguins
>have picked up their arsenal the correct way. They didn't have the deck
>stacked in their favor. 

>Rich

If you speak about the great Montreal teams of the late fifties, with
the players like: Jean Beliveau, Maurice 'Rocket' Richard, Henry *Pocket
Rocket' Richard, Bernie 'Boom Boom' Geoffrion, Dickie Moore and Bernt
Olmstead, there is hardly no talk about the drafting. Before the expansion
there was no draft but the teams had their own junior teams to develop
the players. After the draft was started the Canadiens had an option to
draft two francophones if they did so during the first two rounds. As far
I can remember Guy Lafleur became Montreal porperty through legitimate
draft, where Sammy Pollock traded the draft pick of San Francisco/Oakland
Seal by giving them Ernie Hicke and secured the last place of the Seals
by trading his third centre Ralph Backstrom to the Kings, so they could 
beat the Seals to the last place.

The strong Montreal teams in the seventies were build up by selling
aging veterans for good draft picks and by having the scouting department
busy doing their homework.

The effect of the francophone rule is grossly overestimated and if you
can only speak about it in general terms (specify players and years)
you could as well keep quiet. By the way who says that the Canadiens
would not get the same players or that could not make stars from some
other players. Remember it took Guy Lafleur four years to blossom to
the stardom, who says he would have done it in the Bruins or Rangers
or in Pittsburgh. Montreal has won almost more than double the amount of
cups any other team has been able to do. The majority of hockey talent
in Canada comes from Ontario anyway, the Leafs are on the runner upp 
position regarding the number of cups. I would rather say that the 
Canadiens have been smarter and working harder in using and developing
the talent they got than the rest ot the league. The amount of francophone
talent in the league does not explain the difference in succes between
the Canadiens and the Leaf or the other teams.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
From: bson@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bruins schedule 1992-1993
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:15:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: nil

I haven't seen this posted before, so here it is, from The Sporting
News 1992-93 Hockey Yearbook. Hope I got it mostly right...


10/8    HAR     11/5    QUE     12/3    MON     1/2     HAR
10/10   NYI     11/7    NYR     12/5    NJ      1/5     @PIT
10/12   OTT     11/11   @BUF    12/6    @PHI    1/7     QUE
10/15   @SJ     11/12   CAL     12/9    @BUF    1/9     NJ
10/17   @LA     11/14   TOR     12/10   OTT     1/12    BUF
10/22   @CAL    11/16   @MON    12/12   @MON    1/14    PIT
10/23   @EDM    11/19   NYI     12/14   BUF     1/16    PHI
10/25   @VAN    11/21   PHI     12/18   @DET    1/18    SJ
10/29   LA      11/23   @OTT    12/19   WAS     1/19    @NYI
10/31   CHI     11/25   @WAS    12/22   TB      1/21    @PHI
                11/27   HAR     12/26   @HAR    1/23    NJ
                11/28   @HAR    12/27   @NYR    1/25    @MON
                11/30   QUE     12/29   @WIN    1/26    @QUE
                                12/31   @MIN    1/28    WIN
                                                1/30    @NYI


2/2     EDM             3/1     MON     4/3     BUF
2/3     @QUE            3/4     VAN     4/4     @BUF
2/6     All-Star Game   3/6     STL     4/6     @QUE
2/9     @STL            3/9     @PIT    4/8     QUE
2/11    @CHI            3/11    MON     4/10    @MON
2/14    @TB             3/13    OTT     4/11    OTT
2/17    @MON            3/15    @NYR    4/14    @OTT
2/20    @TOR            3/18    @OTT
2/25    MIN             3/20    DET
2/27    WAS             3/22    HAR
                        3/24    @BUF
                        3/25    MON
                        3/27    PIT
                        3/30    @HAR


Two neutral-site games are missing.

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: PenGuins GGGRREEAAT?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:16:52 GMT

kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips) wrote:
>In article <5392@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson) writes:
>> In message: <02SEP92.14779029.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA> 
>> CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB) writes:
>>>(THE REGULAR
>>>SEASON MEANS SQUAT)!!
>> I will agree with everything here.  The regular season doesn't
>	I can't accept the argumentation that the regular season means 
>NOTHING.  What doesn't mean anything is where you finish in the 
>regular season AS LONG AS YOU MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

What most people fail to remember is that the Stanley Cup and the league are
separate things. The SC predates the NHL. Whoever wins the regular season is
the LEAGUE champion. Whoever wins the playoffs is the SC champion. Most people
put more emphasis on winning the SC. That's fine. The league championship is
a totally different entity. In the old days, it meant something. Now days, it
means little. That's why the President's Trophy (and associated $) was
introduced. Some people still recognize the difference that's all.

The regular season does mean little as far as the playoffs go. Primarily
just first round matchups and home-ice advantage. It does also determine draft
order (ask Quebec and Lindros if there was any meaning).

Serious questions: Do SC banners mention the NHL at all? Does the SC have any
kind of engraving mentioning the NHL? I assume the former does not. I've seen
many banners, but never paid much attention to it.

From another point of view, supposing the worst team in the playoffs (which
could be the team ranked 21st in a 22 team league!) won the SC, would people
question them as winners of the SC? No. There's no question that they won.
Would people question them as league champions. Most certainly. People already
question current winners who finish 4th or 5th in the league. That's the
problem with assuming that the winner of a tournament would be the winner
in a league (different rules, schedule, whatnot).

Whether it's Pittsburgh or some other team, whoever won the SC is just that:
the winner of the SC. Whoever won the league is just that: the winner of the
league. It's rarely the same team. Whether or not a team is "great" is an
opinion. What the team accomplished is a fact.

Let's not forget the regular season division winner and the playoff division
winner controversy! 8-)

Tom
From: bouchard@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Marco Bouchard ETUDIANT sept-dec 92)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 50 goals scorer
Keywords: Neely - Kaminsky
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:37:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) wrote :

>Here are my predictions on who will score fifty goals this year
>in the NHL.
>
>Brett Hull - as usual
>Pavel Bure - if not fifty, then high 40's
>Kevin Stevens - best left winger in game
>Pat LaFontaine - if he stays healthy
>
>Will come close:
>Eric LIndros
>uc Robitaille
>Jaromir Jagr
>Owen Nolan
>Steve Yzerman
>Pierre Turgeon
>ry Roberts
>Cam Neely
>Dimitri 

Cam Neely still have problems with his injury so I don't think he fits in the list.

I think that you can add to your list Valeri Kaminsky (sp?) of the Quebec Nordiques. 
This guy arrived during the last season after a big injury live from the ex-U.S.S.R.
For a guy who was out of play since the beginning of the season, he played very 
very very well. In Quebec City, people says that he's better than Joe Sakic.
 

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From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Pity Story - a southern hockey fan
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:31:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.141807.21646@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> Don't Bother - no email access writes:
>San Jose did a couple things VERY right, in my opinion. The best move they made
>was picking a couple modern-looking colors and a cool logo and then bombarding
>the merchandising markets with everything from hats to shotglasses. I have a
>fitted Sharks hat I wear from time to time and it always draws a little
>attention because it's WAY different from the Astros/Oilers/Longhorns/Spurs
>stuff you always see around here. Merchandising gave them visibility and not
>just a small bit of money, I'd imagine. From what I've seen from the native San
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Not quite . . .NHL divides up the entire merchandising pot equally
	among all teams.

>Joseans' posts, the Sharks are here to stay. Cool, I'm all for it. Tampa should
>if they're not already, follow the same strategy to become known.

	Not to mention NJ changing their jerseys . . . Pittbirds changing their
	logo. . .probably others 
>
	BTW . . .Mercury News said today that _LIMITED_ (repeat) _LIMITED_
	regular season single game tickets for the Sharks go on sale
	this Sunday at 10 am at both the Cow Palace and BASS (408)998-BASS

	Get 'em while U can

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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Really fat goalie?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:37:58 GMT


In article <18oe41INNki6@agate.berkeley.edu>, tcronin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tom Cronin) writes...
> 
>          Has any team ever used a really fat goalie to totally
>   eclipse the goal?  (For example, a sumo wrestler lying on his
>   side in front of the goal)

This reminds me of the skit from the Saturday Night Live program
that Gretzky hosted.  I thought it was a pretty funny show. (Particlarly
the skit where Gretz is a guest on "Wayne's World".) Anyway....near
the end of the show, after being eliminated from the playoffs,
"McNall" brings "Sly Stalone" and a number of other celebrites into
the dressing room to meet Wayne.

None of them know anything about hockey, but they all have the same
suggestion:

	"Maybe if you could put a piece of plywood over the goal!
   	 Yeah...that's it. Nothing would go in then...."


Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: lag@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Laurence Allen Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wierd Dream...
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:45:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <BuFGCt.CHq@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>Had a really strange dream last night...  (but then, I seem to
>specialize in wierd dreams)
>
>I was a reporter interviewing Manon Rheaume for my newspaper.  (I don't
>work for a newspaper, I'm not a reporter, and I don't even play one on
>TV.)  She was telling me all about how much she enjoyed the backup
>goaltender job for the Lightning.  (So she made it!  I don't remember
>who got the starting job, though.)
>
>It's really strange...I don't know much about her at all; I've only
>read one article about her in THN, and that was way back last year
>sometime.

Manon Rheueme appears to have impressed quite a few people in a team scrimmage
going scoreless for 11 or so minutes, including a point blank shot and a
PENALTY shot...  The current rumor is that she'll be the starting goaltender
when the Lightning play the first game (I think Toronto...)

>
>Just call me Nostradamus, I guess...
>
Just call me stupid:)
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>          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
>          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.

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From: drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake)
Subject: Re: Canucks Fantasy Camp '92
Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:40:03 GMT

In article <15110@mindlink.bc.ca> Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Joel Murray) writes:
>I think it would be great to do something like this.  I know that Fantasy Camps
>are popular in other cities and in other leagues.  I have a question, though:
>   does anyone have any idea how much it would cost to train with a pro hockey
>   team?
I got info about the Bruins fantasy camp - they were to go up to Montreal
last month and play against the Philadelphia old timers. It was a bit too
pricey for me - about $3,000. It still sounded like fun and, if I ever get
a REAL job, I might do it.

I can see myself paying up, suiting up, stepping onto the ice, slipping
on a piece of athletic tape and getting a concussion on day one. Either
that or getting the crap kicked out of me by Dave Shultz (he was one of
the Flyers old timers that was to be there). Yeah, that sounds like it'd
be worth $3k... :-) 

Frank
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