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From: clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala!melchar
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:37:31 PDT
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

> In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (mar
> >Oh! Woad is me!
> 
> Is it me, or is everybody cracking the one-liners nowadays?
> 
> Big Al.  Who never writes anything funny.

    No, it requires an official 'pun license' to crack one-liners here.  
After all, you can't joke without a license ('use a pun, go to prison').

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From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: just wondering
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:39:17 GMT
Organization: i've been talking to jesus and he says i'm right ...

In article <11190038@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> 
reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>      Then perhaps they will have Phil Collins on to sing his new song
>"I've Been Talking to Jesus" which is just hysterically funny.

That's a good one, I'll try to get the words.

>      One comment about Sinead O'Connor: It seems as though lots of 
>people have made lots of comments about tolerance and the need for 
>tolerance of everyone's views. I don't know what her objective was but
>it seems *intolerant* as hell! 

That's a goal of an artist, to make people feel uncomfortable. The question
is what is so uncomfortable? What is so taboo? In the words of Peter Tosh;
everybody crying out for peace, nobody crying for justice, everybody concerned
about crime, but tell me just who are the criminals (Mr. SUBliminal says
S&L/Banks), I don't need peace, I need equal rights and justice. So, as Mista
Tongue Twista says, if you don't really mean it, stop throwing the peace
sign. Government says don't use jah'erb it make you rebel. Against what?

>      She is probably making a statement about Northern Ireland -- although
>it seems to me that she would know well that religion has little to do
>with that conflict. 

Hmm, you mean it's not about Christianity and central control versus
Protestantism and local control in N.Ire.? And I think she is making a 
statement about Ireland and its patriarchal control of women's bodies. Do
you think Ireland has a "good" government?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:57:54 GMT

I am an ENFP (Extrovert, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving).  I am 
rather interested in the J/P dichotomy (Judging vs Perceiving).
I could have easily guessed that BA Davis-Howe was a J, for instance.

-Dawn
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Subject: Re: just wondering
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:51:45 GMT

: 
: That's a goal of an artist, to make people feel uncomfortable. The question
: is what is so uncomfortable? What is so taboo? In the words of Peter Tosh;

      For the majority, it is being forced out of lethargy -- having something
brought to the attention that requires thought. 

      Most people don't seem to want to think: they just react. 

: S&L/Banks), I don't need peace, I need equal rights and justice. So, as Mista
: Tongue Twista says, if you don't really mean it, stop throwing the peace
: sign. Government says don't use jah'erb it make you rebel. Against what?

        Peace, by its very definition can be used to create com[lacency. 
Peace? The implications go well beyond harmony. 

        I agree. We don't need more 'peace'. We need equal rights and
justice -- human rights. 

: 
: Hmm, you mean it's not about Christianity and central control versus
: Protestantism and local control in N.Ire.? And I think she is making a 
: statement about Ireland and its patriarchal control of women's bodies. Do
: you think Ireland has a "good" government?

        That could have been part of it. I get the impression that she
was blaming the conflict in N. Ireland on religion rather than Ireland's
need for self-determination and separation from the British Empire. 

        I don't think Ireland has a 'good' government. I am not sure
there is a government in existence that is 'good'. Some are perhaps\
more tolerable than others. In the regard that Ireland has national
health care and some sort of old-age pension, I would say that it 
is 'good'. In the regard that it uses religious values to control
women, I would say it is 'bad'. 

blessings --


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:46:40 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>,
boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
|> 
|> Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
|> with a big red cross, reading:
|> 
|> 	Are you ready for the rapture?
|> 
|> 	Jesus is coming
|> 
|> 	October 28, 1992
|> 
|> Anybody out there got a clue as to where this originated?
|> 
|> Actually, I think my first encounter was 'way back in the late
|> winter - I was driving through central New Hampshire when a
|> car passed by with much the same thing emblazoned on the sides.

I heard on National Public Radio about a sect in Korea that believes
that the world will end in October.  Some feel that it will be the
10th, others feel the 28th.  According to NPR there are only a few
thousand of these believers.  Some are also going on crash diets so
that they will be lighter and will be lifted up to heaven more easily.

NPR seemed to be saying that this was just in Korea, but it seems to
have spread to the USA.

Better have those halloween parties a few days early.

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:02:59 GMT

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
: 
: I'm going to get another one tomorrow.  There's one particular kind that
: looks like an ibex's horn.  Or maybe another fat, round, breastlike one
: like the dolium.
: 
: Oh, well.  It's late right now, and I'm just letting my mind wander.
: 
: Blessings,
: Janis  
: 

Now, if you could just find one made out of chocolate ...

Bill
From: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Subject: Re: Birth data, etc...
Reply-To: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:10:31 GMT

Ah...
 
regarding eye color, mine are Blue to Green depending on something I  
have no clue about.  They just seem to change on their own...
 
Maybe they turn green when I'm low on energy and I'm standing in the  
sunlight 8-)
 
Be thyself,
 
Joe  (the musical druid type guy)
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:54:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
 boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
>with a big red cross, reading:
>
>	Are you ready for the rapture?
>
>	Jesus is coming
>
>	October 28, 1992

I'm dying to go up to one of those rapture nuts and say, "Oh, I can take
care of your bank account if you won't be needing it . . . "  How about,
"Here, let me take care of those credit cards for you."  Stupidity can
be a mineable resource sometimes.  

Blessings,
Janis 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:26:57 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <-1366944598snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
#
#In article <BV1esB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us writes:
#
# > Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant when I talked about a rigorous,
# > tested philosophy.... ;-)
# >  
# > Not everyone needs the philosophy, and not everyone needs an intense
# > paganism and ecstatic experiences, but if this diverse community doesn't 
# > keep up a certain level of philosophy and initiation, then 'pagan-ism' is 
# > going to be pulled towards the lowest common denominator.
# >  
# > Memetic entropy. 
# >  
#> > What I'm saying goes along with the post I made last month, of finding ways
# > to work together, and agree to differ on the rest. Along the lines of saying
#> "we all follow the Western Pagan tradition (or fill in a word for that phrase
# > > and one sub-branch is Wicca, and another are the Druids, and there are
# > > unaffiliated, etc."
# >  
# > An interesting idea, but ambitiously difficult, and fraught with dangers.
# > Of course, at some point, some pagan genius will undoubtedly accomplish 
# > such a patterning, expressing it in words and ideas so perfectly just and 
# > obviously fair that they are self-convincing. Eh?
#
#Hm, I am really very much more concerned with how well pagan children
#are cared for than building further abstracts. The ancient wisdoms are
#still here for us, any time we want to take them up again, without us
#making the same mistake of ignoring them to search all over again. The

Searching, I think, should be part of it. After all, there are ancient
wisdoms that we know, but our ancestors certainly didn't know all. I do
agree that things that *are* obviously true should be retained, but there
should be some questioning.

#*Matter of Britain* is their own problem, and there is no reason for us
#to be involved with it.

Excuse me? As I understand it, the Matter of Britain is the meaning & importance
of Arthur & the tales that surround him. 
#
#As we work together, it is as parents and teachers taking our turn to
#sustain the dream nurturing all of us.
#
#In thinking about children, it is usually a benefit to think at the
#same time about the elderly, and what they might have to offer. Being
#pulled towards a lowest common demoninator is usually the outcome of
#so many abused children who are emerging uncomfortably and unguided
#into their adult lives, where they in turn bear offspring . . .
#
#Gil

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
	<2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu>
	<1992Oct7.055438.23716@u.washington.edu>
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:13:56

   From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)

   "Religious explanations aren't within the scope of this course; we could
   discuss them after the class if you want."  And then go on.

Aha! That's what I was trying to suggest with many too many wrong
words.  Thank you Mary.

Blessings,

        dan
--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:08:33 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ultra-Violet Bluesman) writes:

> stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>,
> >boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
> 
> 
> >I heard on National Public Radio about a sect in Korea that believes
> >that the world will end in October.  Some feel that it will be the
> >10th, others feel the 28th.  According to NPR there are only a few
> >thousand of these believers.  Some are also going on crash diets so
> >that they will be lighter and will be lifted up to heaven more easily.
> 
> I got this nice flyer with all sorts of bible thumping quotes on the 
> subject...I believe it is to occour at 8:pm...although in what time zone
> they were not too specific :)
> 
> It said that the end wasn't on the 28th...just the good christians were
> to be lifted up to heaven...the rest of us were to wear upc symbols
> on our foreheads during the seven year reign of the antichrist...
> During that time...PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!!!

I believe, from your description of the UPC symbols, that I got one of those
flyers here in houston. It was on my windshield. It had a pictire of 
some korean child guru or prophet, and said the rapture would come in 
Oct... I thought it said the 8th.. oh, well, guess not! It had a 
drawing of a man with a UPC code on his forehead and claimed that the 
US govt. already has plans to tatoo UPC codes on every persons right 
hand or forehead... yeah, right!!!  I took it to new moon and handed 
it around my coven. We all had a real good laugh!

Blessed Be!


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:39:57 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos) wrote:
> Lisa Gerrard [of "Dead Can Dance"] is a lot like Elizabeth Frasier in that
> she also will sing in other languages (Pictish, Irish Gaelic, Welsh and
> some of her own inventing).

If she sings in Pictish, they'll be rather unusual songs... only one Pictish
word has been identified: "pit", meaning a parcel of land (occurs in some
Scottish placenames).

Incidentally, if anyone is curious about Pictish culture, go to see the
cave drawings near East Wemyss on the coast of Fife and do it quick.  The
sea is encroaching and they won't be there in a few years.  It would cost
millions to save them and no organization responsible seems to have that
sort of cash.


> She is bi-tonal and her voice is goddess given!

Um, I know what bitonal means in a musical context, but how it can apply to
a singer I really can't imagine... like saying your dog is in B flat.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: tabe6@isuvax.iastate.edu (Hunros)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Reply-To: tabe6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:05:18 GMT

	I rather liked some of the points that Janis had to say. Another way
of looking at (and this might not be popular, so flame away if you must) is
that the shell washs up a gift from the sea while the crystal is ripped from
the heart of the earth. Literally rape from the bossum(sp.) of the earth.
Kind of hard way of say it, especially after Janis' talk of the seashell's
beauty. But there it is just the same.

Blessings,
  Steve
No magic can change something into something it is not; the imaginative
   transformation at the heart of magic is recognition, not creation.
						--- Susan Palwick
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:29:40 GMT

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

[ a good forewarning]

Might I suggest that we leave the responses to this survey to e-mail
and leave the subject at that before we get into a 200 article indignant
response to an obviously uninformed or maliciously intentioned faupax(sp)?

Just a suggestion and my .$02.
BTW.. I did respond and asked many of the same questions as Corun.
I will wait and see if anything comes of it.

/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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MY opinions are not to be construed as those of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:14:05 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bw60Cw.3Hq@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
#In article <9kDNsB2w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala> clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala!melchar writes:
#>> 
#>> Is it me, or is everybody cracking the one-liners nowadays?
#>> 
#>> Big Al.  Who never writes anything funny.
#>
#>    No, it requires an official 'pun license' to crack one-liners here.  
#>After all, you can't joke without a license ('use a pun, go to prison').
#
#I think that's 'use a pun go to the punitentiary'. I know this is rather
#punctilious of me, but I couldn't resist taking punitive action. Though
#some of my remarks get rather pungent, just think of me as another pundit.
#
#Bb,
#
#Corun (who's sorry for inflicting the punishment) <grin>
#
No you're not! You're like me; when you get going, you like to puntificate
upun any punouncement, right?!

	mark
From: circle!lance@wolves.durham.nc.us (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Birth Date and Announcement!
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:10:03 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC

Well, as everyone is giving their birthdates, here are two more:

Me, Lance Brown
    born October 3, 1996 @ 12:15 PM in Minneapolis, MN

My brand new daughter!!!!!
    born October 8, 1992 @ 4:45 PM in Raleigh, NC

Yes, this IS a birth announcement!

Blessings,
  Lance
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:13:26 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:

> Hm, I am really very much more concerned with how well pagan children
> are cared for than building further abstracts. The ancient wisdoms are
> still here for us, any time we want to take them up again, without us
> making the same mistake of ignoring them to search all over again. The
> *Matter of Britain* is their own problem, and there is no reason for us
> to be involved with it.

Yep, teaching our children is a big, big thing. 

But is it a one-or-the-other type of thing? Aren't our children going to 
ask us "Why?", when we tell them what we believe?

Nor am I talking about abstracts really, or at least no abstracts alone. 
I'm trying to talk about knowledge, and understanding-- and we can only 
talk about these things in abstracts, condense gut knowing into letters 
here on this screen, and pass it back and forth, trying to communicate.

Well, everybody makes their own best decision. I'm making mine, and in my 
universe, I can be both abstract and teach my daughter, and the two fit 
into each other perfectly.

Don't think I'm making too big a deal over the 'mental'-- I'm just 
leaning over the edge of the boat, provided a counterbalence.

> 
> As we work together, it is as parents and teachers taking our turn to
> sustain the dream nurturing all of us.

Everybody makes their own best choice.

> 
> In thinking about children, it is usually a benefit to think at the
> same time about the elderly, and what they might have to offer. Being
> pulled towards a lowest common demoninator is usually the outcome of
> so many abused children who are emerging uncomfortably and unguided
> into their adult lives, where they in turn bear offspring . . .

Very true, very true-- but this is one of those obviously wise things 
that is not always so easy to accomplish-- much distance between the 
ideal and the real.

Maybe things are different in oz. Here there is much misunderstanding and 
distance between the elderly and the young, and the gap is growing.

And we 'pagans' have no elders, or few, and the communities are streched 
out, fragmented. 

Yes, yes, we both know this is all just as it should be, all is just 
fine, just more steps along the path. All of it is just the path, 
including my talking about "lowest common denominators", and pushing at 
questions of rigor.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: The Binding Spell that didn't
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:02:29 GMT

well , choosing the right spell or spell combinations are important ... even though a spell works it may not give the seired effect ...
try a combination ... protect your friend and her property from his onslaughts and geas him not to bother her ... this combination shoould help... when all else fails ..
put a ward up .. so the next time he does it .. he gets slapped ... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Subject: Oops, forgot place of birth
Organization: Express Access Online Communications Service, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:54:33 GMT

Earlier I posted my time of birth, but forgot to mention the place.

Clifton Forge, Virginia 
-- 
Thom Watson, the Elf-Lad         elf-lad@access.digex.com <-----preferred
                                 elflad0@aol.com         elf-lad@glib.org
                                 GEmail=T.WATSON7
"What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?"--U.K.LeGuin
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Dragon
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:16:15 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <Bw2o69.AII@inews.Intel.COM> pharvey@mipos3.intel.com writes:

 > Why are Westerners always fighting and slaying the dragon if it does not
 > represent the Christian Devil? Why did St. Patrick eliminate snakes from
 > Ireland, according to legend? Why do so many fear snakes, are snakes
 > inherently evil (bad)? Which is worse, a snake biting a human or a human
 > slaping a mosquito? The real question is what exactly is the
 > Christian Devil? Is there a source of evil (bad) and can it be eliminated
 > and would the absence of evil (bad) in this world be a "good" thing? What
 > does it mean to have good without evil (bad)? Is that like life without
 > death?

The Welsh are not devils but *foreigners*, aren't they?

Gil

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