From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Islam vs Democracy (was Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????)
Keywords: Islam Democracy Pakistan
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:54:25 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Aug23.171036.636@cco.caltech.edu> asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.124004.10902@hippo.ru.ac.za> g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim) writes:
>>I agree, Islam is completely impractical. The facts point to this.
>
>
>	Islam is not be be blamed if the followers don't implement it
>	or abuse its name to reach their own political or personal gains.

In that case Islam has failed to attract people toward itself to an extent
that people really start "implementing" it, rather than abusing its name.

>
>>In Pakistan, a country born out of an idea for a moslem homeland,
>>where everything was to be followed along the lines of the 
>>Koran. 
>	It was supposed to be along those lines but no one follows those
>	lines anymore (as it seems). 

Isn't Allah supposed to be omniscient? Shouldn't he have known what revealing
Islam would cause? 

>>
>>Guess again! Everything is being followed along its lines provided
>>it fulfils one's ambition. The so called land of pure is a land
>>of total corruption, unlawfullness and nepotism. It has turned into
>>a land of thugs, crooks, and anything else you can think off. 
>
>	Islam still denounces all the above and does NOT approve of it.
>	Just because the followers are doing something doesn't necessarily
>	means Islam approves of it. 

Just because Islam doesn't approve of something doesn't mean that Islam
ensures that it doesn't happen. If Allah desires that something be, Allah 
is supposed to know what is required for achieving it. If Islam fails to
achieve what Allah wants it to achieve, then the only logical conclusion
would be that Allah doesn't know how to create the effect... which "cannot"
be. One way of seeing it, keeping Allah's omniscience, omnipotence, 
omnieverything intact, is to believe that Allah doesn't want to have that
effect.

>>

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>
>	It still exists as it existed over 1400 years ago. The difference
>	is today at least in Pakistan very few people are really following 
>	it.                          
>>it will be shown that most people are muslim by birth and 
>>are so called "non practisinng" muslim.
>>
>>This may be offensive to some people. My apologies.  Pakistan
>>should take off it shroud of religion. Religion is like a york
>>holding its people down. Take it off and become free from its
>>burden.
>
>	No, it is not at all offensive. I understand your frustrations and
>	agony but I think the blame is being put at the wrong place. The 
>	blame lies with the people. If,in fact, people of Pakistan were 
>	following the Islamic guidelines we wouldn't be seeing the problems
>	you mentioned above. The religion is not holding anyone down, it will
>	and can free us from the problems we face today. As you mentioned too
>	no one is following it, they have already freed themselves from it 
>	and see where it is leading the country... 

In Pakistan, this talk of THE REAL ISLAM is just meant to justify dictatorial
rule on the masses... to deny them their democratic rights... 

It is so easy... given that the majority doesn't want a fundamentalist rule,
anyone powerful enough can remove the democratic regime saying that it is
un-Islamic... that's what has been happening in Pakistan... people's
democratic rights come after the right of an Islamic system. Islam is the
absolute... and anyone can exercise absolute power in the name of Islam...
If the people don't want an Islamic system, a dictator has a right to teach
them the real path...

I am not trying to imply anything offesive toward Islam. What really 
frustrates me is the fact that in Pakistan, the people's democratic right
ceases to exist when it comes into conflict with Islam. Islam refuses
to protect the people's right to democratically decide against an Islamic
state. 

>
>>
>>Sajid
>>
>>-- 
>

Nadeem

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