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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: FBL Tidbits ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:52:00 GMT


Having just returned from travel a couple of hours ago, I am trying to get
caught up on what people are suggesting ... Dave sent all 45 of us a draft
of the FBL Constitution (otherwise known as "'da Rulz").  Let's see what we
have thus far ...

Mark K. Miller writes:
>>If the bowler cannot bowl any scheduled  leagues  during a week he may
>>use a blind score, which will be average minus 10 pins plus  handicap.
>
>You know I actually bowled in a league that used a blind score of average
>minus 15 WITHOUT handicap.  They really wanted someone to show up!

Average-10 is fairly standard ... and to Mark, if that league was a mixed
league, the league was in violation of Rule 105b(1) ... WIBC mandates that
handicap MUST be added to the absentee average, which is the stricter rule.

Dave Fleck notes:
>
>I think having an entering  average will be a good idea...  Let's vote
>on it.
>

If that is read as a motion, I will second it ... we do need to decide on
how many weeks that average will be used as the basis for computing the
handicap.  The Thursday late league (Aki and myself) used it for three weeks ...

Mark Miller queries:
>And now for the real important stuff: (seriously, am I the first one to
>think about this?)  What point system will we use?  My Monday league uses
>8 points.  My Thursday league uses thirty-something (I think its 34, but
>I forget what the grand total is worth.)  If we do 8 points, then order of
>rosters is not important.  If we do "head-to-head" points, then we need to
>determine parameters for submitting rosters.  I see pros and cons with both
>ways I've mentioned, so I'm not going to state a preference.  I'll leave
>this question on the table.

The impression that I have gotten is that this is a team concept, although I
am not altogether against head-to-head as well ... just means more work for
Dave.  This would be a point of protocol ...

Eight points ... YES!!!! ... as a League Secretary, I *HATE* half-points ...
almost as much as I hate pocket 7-10 splits ...

Mark Miller nominates:
>
>I nominate Aki Damme for president and Bob Ashley for vice president.
>

Whoa, wait ... who knew I would be on travel these last two days ?!   :-)

I had mentioned an idea of have the officers geographically distant as well
... hmmmm.


Bob - *sigh*

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: FBL is now 60
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:06:04 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz) writes:
> 
> 1)  Any person(s) found bowling better the second game (consistenly or 
> otherwise) shall have an exalted place on Mount Bowl-lympus (sorry, 
> couldn't resist) and their wisdom shall be heeded for they have possibly 
> solved the SGBS.

Ugh!!  My second game seems to always be the best  lately....
My Friday night league 3 of the last four:
154-217-195
138-181-167
153-219-160

My last 3 Series on Monday:
158-221-133
112-193-120 (yes I am embarassed!)
180-202-180

And I kept it up last wednesday.... 165-211-160....

Just  not  bowling  real  well  right  now...  And yes I am  using  my
Wednesday Night league for the FBL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am suffering from "Reverse Aki Syndrom"

Dave "I like Second Games but have only bowled one 600+ this winter" Fleck
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Draft -  FBL Rules
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:04:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.164305.28222@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
> fleck@col.hp.com writes:
> 
** deleted Aki's stuff for brievity **

As of right now we have 28  bowlers so the prize  fund  could be quite
substantial.  With two more  bowlers we would have 10 3-person  teams.
Personally I am hoping we can get 9 to 12 more people...  and get some
international flavor if possible.

Dave

PS.  Just as I was  doing a  write  we got  another  bowler!!  Welcome
to Bill Bulko!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Turbo X
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Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.143141.17397@pdn.paradyne.com> Vince Ciletti,
vince@paradyne.com writes:
>A PBA buddy of mine was throwing one the other night.  He said it was the
>least over reacting "cheater" that he had thrown.  That's all I know
about 
>it.  Maybe Aki can throw in some first hand experience.
>


Jury's still out...initial impression is that I can't seem to find a 
house that it reacts well in.  I drilled mine over the label.  Alot
of reaction on the back end, tho I've found mine to roll out....

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Looking for some guidance on distributing prize money
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:15:24 GMT



Greetings Bowlers,

  How does your league divide up prize money at the end of the season?
Hoping for some kind of template to model after for my league this
year. Any suggestions?

Al - alb@ais.org
From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL stuffola...
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:47:40 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1992Nov5.164313.18904@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>Other peoples??  Please respond here or email (fleck@cs.itc.hp.com)

I'd like to join!

>Teams size will be decided by # of bowlers.
sounds good to me.

>Handicap league, 80% of 200 90% of 210 ??
80% of 200 is my vote

>Dave

Walter
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Walter G. Perz           |  .        I hate       |- Spaceman Spiff
Smoking Research Group   |     .   10-pins!       |  is going down !!!
University of Pittsburgh |  .                    *|                (Watterson)
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: rich@devnet.la.locus.com (Rich Silva)
Subject: Re: What a long, strange week... No tap tourneys...
Reply-To: rich@locus.com
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 16:44:14 GMT

    At a local house, they had a strange no-tap tourney.

    First game was 9-pin no-tap...  No problem 256...
    Second game was 8-pin no tap... Strangely only a 235...

    Now to really screw you up...
	straight		    Only a 141 ..... bummmer

	On a 180 average...  It was strange how you get
	into a "heavier on the head pin if I only need
	8 or 9 pins" mode... I couldnt get out of it in the
	third game....

--

    Rich Silva
    Locus Computing Corporation		   rich@LOCUS.COM
		      {uunet,ucivax,trwrb}!lcc!rich
	   {randvax,ucbvax,trwspp}!ucla-se!lcc!rich

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: attention all league officers!
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:44:29 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> 
> There will be a team captains meeting at my place this weekend...anyone
> not attending will be publically flogged...

Hope your buyin' and it best be good stuff!

> Team Captains...
> 
> Tell all of your team members your team is DOOMED...
> Team 7 has spoken....

I have just been  informed  by the CBA that Aki Damme is an  imposter.
He is not really a ABP member,  but a ABP Flunky.  He tried to make it
on the tour and  finished  last in every  tourney.  So they thought it
best to disqualify him on grounds of indecent exposure!

** Humor intended!!!!

We will see who wins week 9 Mr. Damme!!!!  :-)

This post was posted not as League Secretary but as Life long oppenent
to Team #7.  Nothing personal of course!  <you see me grinning!>

Respectfully,

Team 10
From: tuma@csa.bu.edu (Jamey Tuma)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: My 2 cents...
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:28:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: tuma@csa


well I have just started reading this newsgroup 
and I have a theory of the 2nd game blues....

i used to roll in a house where there was very short
oil, but by the time the second game begun the oil
had crept up the lane, and unless you adjusted
accordingly a few frames would suffer around the
second game....

as to the discussion of what makes a 200 pin bowler...
i'd have to say ADJUSTMENT... since i was always the
perenial (sp?) ~180.

strike on...
Jamey.

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:00:45 GMT

In article 092444MAX@psuvm.psu.edu,  Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.175333.29388@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
>says:
>>
>>How many of the FBL members  are not  bowling  during the week  around
>>Thanksgiving?  I know all my leagues are bowling.
>
>Yeah, I'll have a problem here.  Nothing to do with Thanksgiving directly,
>but PA deer season opens on Monday 11/30.  My Monday (FBL) league always takes
>off for the first day of deer season.  My other league is Thursday and we will
>not be bowling that Thursday (Thanksgiving) prior to the first day of deer.
>Since we're using the Thursday through Thursday reporting period, I won't bowl
>again untill after the reporting week of 11/26-12/3.  What to do?  What to do?


This might be a good time for an open series of yours, unless you can substitute
in another sanctioned league ... possible our Secretary can bring this to light.


Bob - hmmm, toughie   :-)

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Reporting scores
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:52:55 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

keith@rss.dl.nec.com (Keith Becker) writes:
> Seems like with all these FBL members, we may want to think about
> easing the league secretary's job by automating the collection of
> scores. I've seen this scheme used before on the net to collect
> ballots in various polls (mostly done in various .music newsgroups).
> The idea is pretty simple; you mail a standard form to report your
> scores, with a special keyword in the subject line. The recipient
> can then run them through a program to process the scores.


Actually  what I was  thinking  about doing is having each team member
send their  scores to the team captain and have the team  captain send
them on to me...  This could work  fairly  well...  but I do like your
idea and can do it that way if I choose...

Dave
From: boll@CS.ColoState.EDU (dave boll)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Bitch and moan
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:19:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Misc. things that piss me off:

  1) The 6-10 leave. I am the best in the known universe at getting
     one, but not both, of these pins.

  2) When you totally bury it in the pocket and get royally tapped, then
     some 80 year old grandma on the lane next to you hits light brooklyn 
     with her 8 pound house ball going maybe 2 mph ...... 
     and carries the strike.

  3) Bowling alleys that oil so inconsistantly that on different days my
     line can move by 10 or more boards .. with my FEET. And I don't have
     the most mongo curve in the world.

  4) Dudes like the guy I met in my league last summer. It was week 7, and
     he starts talking to me about his new LT-48, which he likes better
     than his old Hammer, but it might just be the xtra 1 ounce of 
     top weight, etc etc. I look at the stat sheet on this guy ... 136
     average. Can you say SANDBAGGER? If memory serves, he threw a 
     550-something against us. 

     Well, that's about it for me.
-- 
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Dave Boll  boll@handel.cs.colostate.edu
                "The speed of time is 1 second per second"
     ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Test Post(ignore)
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Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.203038.18181@ms.uky.edu> michael d ward,
mdward01@nx15.mik.uky.edu writes:
>Just seeing If I can get this thing to work...:)


..and a damn fine job of it you did too...


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 2nd game curse, I could handle...
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:15:11 -1000
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

What about the **DREADED** *THREE* game curse?

I rolled 138 - 155 - 159 last night in league, all over the pocket all 
night long but couldn't carry.  Kept missing easy spares too.  Thought I 
was back when I started the third game with a turkey, then (oh the shame of 
it) *FIVE* opens and a split to follow.  Guess I was lucky to reach 150 
that game!

-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Ok everyone I LIED...
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:42:03 GMT

In article <92311.101945MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller,
MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:


>Ok.  Let's call the ABC and check this guy out!  ;-)


uh...I'm SURE that have my average WAY too high...must be
a typo...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Subject: Re: What makes the difference?
Originator: mahunt@c00315-2114bl.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: Hunt Technologies
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:04:27 GMT


In article <1992Oct28.001136.4601@verifone.com>, perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD) writes:
From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: What makes the difference?
Date: 28 Oct 92 00:11:35 -1000
Summary: What is different about the BEST bowlers?
Distribution: world
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

OK, folks, here's a question:-

What exactly is it which makes the difference between a "top" bowler (let's 
define that as a 200+ ave) and a "good" bowler (160 - 180 ave, say).

Is it	a) ACCURACY
	b) SKILL in ADJUSTMENT
	c) CONSISTENCY of RELEASE
	d) CHOICE of EQUIPMENT
	e) QUANTITY OF EQUIPMENT
	f) PURE TALENT
	g) COACHING
	h) LUCK
	i) HOURS PRACTICE per WEEK
	j) LANE CONDITIONS
	k) SOMETHING ELSE?

What do you think?  and in what order of importance?
Can't wait to hear your opinion!
-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.

==========================================================================

I think that b,c,i and most of all F are what makes a top bowler.The lane
should not matter.I hear in my home center from people "not lane 1 or man we
have to bowl on 24-next to wall".The lane has nothing to do with it.And the
equipment has nothing to do with it either.It's all adjustment.

-mark

mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: FBL Tidbits ...
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.175200.4535@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>
>Average-10 is fairly standard ... and to Mark, if that league was a mixed
>league, the league was in violation of Rule 105b(1) ... WIBC mandates
that
>handicap MUST be added to the absentee average, which is the stricter
rule.

donno if that is correct Bob, I believe WIBC rules also state that if
any league rule conflicts with any WIBC rule, the league rule will 
stand.

Then again...then damn handicap leagues...scurge of the bowling
world...stand on yer own two feet I always say!!!

arggh...outta coffee...time for a martini...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:24:44 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving...

In article <1992Nov12.175333.29388@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
says:
>
>How many of the FBL members  are not  bowling  during the week  around
>Thanksgiving?  I know all my leagues are bowling.

Yeah, I'll have a problem here.  Nothing to do with Thanksgiving directly,
but PA deer season opens on Monday 11/30.  My Monday (FBL) league always takes
off for the first day of deer season.  My other league is Thursday and we will
not be bowling that Thursday (Thanksgiving) prior to the first day of deer.
Since we're using the Thursday through Thursday reporting period, I won't bowl
again untill after the reporting week of 11/26-12/3.  What to do?  What to do?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:01:27 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Current FBL Member list

In article <1992Nov6.211311.6905@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
says:
>
>That's 29... Can we say 30?  or 40?

I'm sure we can.

>(what have I done!)

Looks to me like you done good!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: All kind of stuff
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:01:45 GMT

In article 9134@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP,  mgtst2+@pitt.edu (Michael G Thompson) writes:
>This is gonna be a whatever comes to my head post, so watch out...

Well, we just had some of Aki's ramblings, so ...

>First off, I think i got the second game blues.  The last three weeks
>my second games have been 156,142,157.  Last night was no exeception,
>but I had "all three game woes".  It was just one of those night
>where nothing, and I mean nothing went right (shot less than 500).
>To top it all off, I strained my elbow again. I hope it will be okay
>to bowl on tomorrow.

These things do happen ... I was afflicted last week with my fleet footed
practice session ... started sliding, hit something tacky, force strong
enough to send me lunging onto right knee ... still swollen ... *sigh*

>And can somebody explain how i am averaging 183 in one league (was close
>to 190 before last night) and 212 in another. (yes, there are on
>different houses, but 30 pins?). 

I had a similar problem a couple of weeks ago, although the range of min/max
was lower than yours ... the houses *CAN* make a difference ... consistency
of lanes ... I was averaging 180 at Chantilly (synthetics) and 150 at
Centreville (wood, quick breakdown of oil) ... C-ville average back up to
157 after this pst Monday's games, but it sure took a while ...

>Now to the new "cheater" balls.  I have both the RhinoPro and the
>ProHook.  I think the ProHook hooks sharper than any ball I've ever 
>used. Both balls carry like no ball ever made. But....I think the
>ABC is going to make another change on the oiling patterns to
>screw the balls over (like the houses will follow it though---the
>lanes I bowled on last night were dry as hell, which is probably
>why i bowled bad).  Either that or they will do something to the
>pins.  Any thought on this?

It sounds like the 'ol "keep up with the Joneses" theory ... 

>I found out if you have a yellow insert and a green insert in your
>ball, it looks REALLY cool. :)

Hmmm ... strange color combo ... to each his/her own, I guess

>i think thats all for now,
>mike "with a million 700 series, just none is league play" thompson


Bob - don't you hate it when that happens?   :-)

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Re:Bowling Centers' Hate List (Now degenerated)
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:52:03 GMT

In article <92310.54587.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> ,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>You Crack Me UP!!!  You are even weirder than the guy who's about to be
>a new daddy!!! :-)  Keep up the interesting posts...& maybe I'll even
>beat you in the FBL! (Yeah...with my 89 bowling average...yeah, that's
>ticket...89, yeah!)


Probably beat me too...I only have a 115 average...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************