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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Interesting(?) adversaries
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:01:39 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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In article <Bx9LAp.K5B@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe) writes:
>                                   I couldn't help but think that if the crew
>of the Enterprise ever went up against an intelligent, latently violent 
>adversary, they would be in BIG trouble.  Examples of this kind of adversary
>would include the villians from just about any blockbuster summer action movie.
>I wish the writers would give the viewers some credit.  Do they really expect
>us to BELIEVE that all non-human races are completely incapable of intelligent
>malevolance?  Maybe Star Trek needs some new adversaries.  As a player of 
>Dungeons & Dragons, I'd throw my vote in for something similar to a Mind
>Flayer.  
>
>What do you guys out there think?  It's just something that's been bugging
>me for a while, and it became extremely apparent on this episode.

Some wild sugestions ( :^> ) could include...

A cross-over from an alternate Earth timeline in which Skynet tries to
send back one last-try *flood* of Terminators to Get John Connor Once And
For All, but somehow screws up and sends them ahead into an alternate 24th
century future where they wreak blatant or subtle havoc within the
Federation...

Or how 'bout that beaten-to-death idea on some other newsgroups of having
a Death Star and several accompaning Star Destroyers wander into
Federation space.  (Who would like to see Darth Vader meet Wesley or Troi?)

How 'bout when a hunting expedition of Predators tries their luck on a
remote world of the Klingon Empire?

This one would *really* screw up the ST:TNG guys, but can you imagine the
crew of the Enterprise and The United Federation of Planets encountering
the aliens from ALIEN, ALIENS, and ALIEN^3?

(Uh, oh.  Now I've done it...)
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From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clinton's Inauguration Speech *Flames*
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Originator: tjehl@sedona


   I heard that as part of his inauguration speech, Clinton was going
to promise not to post any political commentary to r.a.s.c.  That alone
would be worth my vote.

TJ
-- 

"It really only matters to the people who care."
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From: lbrother@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Larry Brothers)
Subject: Re: fish tank question
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:36:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.232557.18926@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> updike@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Hey folks, I guess I'm dumb on this one, but what is the secret
>about Pickard's fishtank ?? 

Good question.  As I was FFing the tape through True Q to tape
Rascals, I noticed Q giving it the same scrutiny that the Ferengi did
this week.  An uanvoidable curiosity or a running joke?

>
>Is it a disguise for some control center or something ??
>Someone please help me here.

Yes.  It's a life support system for a fish.

>
>PS, I really thought RASCALS sucked royally !!
>God was that ever stupid !!!

Yes, but wasn't Guinan just so *cute*?

>
>And the one next week looks even dumber  !! (the western one)
>Did you see the preview of Deanna in that stupid cowboy hat ??

What?!  Are you nuts?  Did you see Deanna in those jeans and open
shirt?!?!?

Yeeee-Haw!  Yippee-tie-one-on!

Besides, her comment about a gunslinger with the speed and accuracy of
an android kinda reminds me of "Westworld", n'est pas?

>
>I'm really losing faith fast in this season .....
>
>Todd

Yeah, where's this year's equivalent of Unification?

Larry
From: geoff@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. G. N. Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Trek V
Date: 4 Nov 92 11:06:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

This will probably start a huge row, but could anyone tell me why
Star Trek V is considered so crap?  Admittedly some of the FX are
a bit naff, but is that the only problem, or is it the plot?
STV is the most "Episodic" of the films (with shades of the Changeling,
etc) and is the best for Kirk/Spock/Bones dialogue.  I don't think
STV is the best, but I certainly don't think it's the worst.

Geoff
From: rkolker@nuchat.sccsi.com (Rich Kolker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: fan scripts
Keywords: script
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:01:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuchat.1992Nov12.050149.18820
Organization: South Coast Computing Services, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.205842.13571@midway.uchicago.edu> airn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know whether any of the ST:NG episodes that have aired
>have had scripts written by a fan, as opposed to Paramount people?
>I keep hearing in this group about fans submitting scripts, but it
>seems a bit unlikely of a proposition.
>

I can tell you of one.  Tin Man was written by fans (admittedly two of
them had at least some writing background) and filmed very close to
"as written". The changes were trivial.  I'm sure there
are other examples.

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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: KAHN's last name?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:14:33 GMT

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email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't.
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Romper Room Trek Review
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:21:56 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov3.185342.19548@desktalk.desktalk.com> rlg@desktalk.com writes:
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>still intend to watch it and don't want to know anything about it in
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Yup, Worf missed again.. gotta get that boy some target practice on the holo-
deck.

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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Puppies
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:37:43 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov9.183437.26482@panix.com>, jkap@panix.com (Jonathan Kaplan) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know the breed of puppies that are seen at the beginning
|> of the episode "True Q" ?

 Labrador Retriever.
 They come in three colors - yellow/white, brown, and black.
 Unfortunately, those small lovable pups won't stay that way long.
 Lovable - yes, small - no.
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Rascals SPOILERS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:33:59 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling):
>I don't think his line about being Wesley Crusher's roommate was something
>Picard would say.  That just seemed to jump out at me.

I think it would.  He respects Wesley, but the idea of being his peer...
>Oh look, there are Ferengis materializing on the bridge! Let's wait for
>them to fully materialize before we even think about drawing a phaser...

Blame where blame is due: for this flub, I fault the editing.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: TNG cast on Joan Rivers show!
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:32:21 GMT


FLASH!!!

Monday's (11/16/92) "Joan Rivers Show" will have the WHOLE cast of TNG!!

Just saw the promo feed, and it looks pretty interesting...

Check it out!   [ T2/19 6:00am (pacific) ]

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: pad store appearance
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:31:34 EST

 -=> On 11-03-92  20:54, Peter A David babbled to All saying: <=-
Subject: PAD store appearance

 PAD> For all those interested (and even those not interested) I will be
 PAD> doing two store appearances in the Long Island area on Saturday,
 PAD> November 14. The first will be from 1-2 PM at Flashpoint Comics in Pt.
 PAD> Jefferson.  The second will be from 3-4 PM at Basset Books on Sunrise
 PAD> Highway in Bohemia.

 PAD> Visitors are welcome--particularly to Basset, since I've seen other
 PAD> author appearances at bookstores and frequently they're real small
 PAD> turnouts and very depressing.

So when are you coming to CANADA?!  :-)


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: root@news.csuohio.edu (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Subject: test, please ignore
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:25:32 GMT

testing problems with posting to this group.
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few things Ive noticed.
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:04:55 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


>>>>Did anyone else notice that Data is A leftie?
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>>Clearly his designer, realising that left handed is best, made him like
>>that deliberately.
>
>What a load of rubbish!!  We right-handed people don't have to go around telling
>everybody how good it is to be right-handed -- it's just obvious.
>

>>Mark


	Hey...move this to alt.righties.dumbattitudes




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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:12:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <Bx980L.J85@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Matt J. Martin) wrote:
> 
> In article <1d98krINNmlf@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:

(stuff deleted)

> >Oh, and the Ferengi probably do NOT have the tech to beat the Enterprise.
> >Did you LOOK at the ships the Ferengi had?  Or LISTEN to Worf when he first
> >announced those ships' presence?  Two KLINGON Birds of Prey.  Most likely
> >stolen, like much of the Ferengi's technology probably is.
> >
>   It has been demonstrated before that the Ferengi do, in fact, have the
> technology to give Picard a run for his money.  The first instance was the
> episode where they first meet the Ferengi.  The Ferengi Captain manages to
> convince Picard that he is reliving the attack on the Stargazer.

In this episode (I don't remember the name) it is stated that the Ferengi
captain *bought* the device from some other race.  The Ferengi don't have
the neuralogical knowledge and technology for something that complex.


James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: nsimms@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norwin Simms)
Subject: Re: Rascals -- Fountain of Youth!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:26:32 GMT

Actually, I bought the Price of the Phoenix a few months ago, thinking that it 
looked quite interesting, but I thought it was a truly awful book. I'd be very
interested to hear if anyone actually enjoyed it.
Just an honest question - no flames please!

Norwin Simms - nsimms@nyx.cs.du.edu

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From: taylor@aspen.den.mmc.com (Tim Taylor)
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 premier
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:33:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.094503.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
> 
> Does anyone have any information on where/when the Deep Space 9- 2 hour premier
> episode will appear on satelite?
> 
>  Thanx,
> 
>  Jason Vaux
> 
> 
The current issue of Star Trek The Next Generation magazine has an ad for a
special sneak preview of Star Trek Deep Space Nine on the QVC channel Saturday,
Dec. 5 at 2:00 PM EST. There were no further details given. Check your local
listings, folks.

Tim 'The Toolman' Taylor
From: dayger@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 6th season *SPOILERS*: Barclay, Moriarty, & "The Inner Light"
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:02:11 GMT
Reply-To: dayger@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: dayger@cloy.oswego.edu

Greetings All:

A few quick 6th season episode spoilers from the Creation Con in Valley Forge,
PA this past week-end with Patrick Stewart:

    -  Barclay (Dwight Schultz) will be appearing again this season.

    -  Moriarty will be brought back in an upcoming episode.

    -  In an upcoming episode, we will breifly see Picard playing the flute
       from "The Inner Light".

Just a few tidbits.

-Tim
 
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From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Rensselaer Polymorphic Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:20:25 GMT

In article <Mf0InCa00VpF0jZWgu@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Richard K. Shehady"
<rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> I have Never, to this day, seen the Enterprise beat an enemy warship of
> comparable power.  Oh sure, they wasted a few tiny ships here and there,
> but they've never beaten anyone of consequence.
> 
> I've seen the bridge get over-run several times, prisoners are always 
> on the loose inside the ship, and they never get caught.  I know, I know,
> these are powerful alien, etc, etc, but still...
> 
> If the enterprise is the flagship of the mighty Federation, shoudn't
> if be able to handle two Klingon vessels piloted by Ferengi?  I know
> the Enterprise is not technically a warship, but judging by the way
> it is refered to, I'd assume it is a cruiser-class ship.  
> 
> In Rascals, Riker fired one phaser shot.  One.  What about photons?  
> Aren't they supposed to be the real weapons?  This isn't the only case
> I've seen this.  In Yesterday's Enterprise, there was one photon
> shot, the rest was all phasers.  The photons didn't do anything special,
> they just did shield damage or something.  If they can't load more then
> one load of photons per battle, then its a useless weapon.
> 
> What about cloaking?  It seems to me, if a ship can creep up to the 
> Enterprise undetected, then the Romulans SHOULD have taken over the Fed
> by now, case closed.  
> 
> Maybe I'm missing details here and there, but really, its just pathetic
> how badly the big-E has gotten its butt kicked time and again.

This seems to be a common complaint among Trek fans on the 'Net.  I think
that the concerns are just, as people want to see their protagonist -- in
this case, the Big E -- fare well.  However:

* if the Big E was used to its full potential every time and always won,
there wouldn't be very many interesting stories to tell.  "Stardate 5
billion: the Enterprise has yet again demolished everything in its path,
just like last time." Would get boring after a while.  The fun is watching
our favorite crew use their smarts -- instead of their arsenals -- to get
out of snares.

* too many battle scenes would destroy the ST:TNG budget.  Special FX are
big bucks, and if they focused every story on some big battle in space,
there wouldn't be any money left for other production costs.

Just my $0.02.

Hugh W. Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu)
Rensselaer Polyethylene Institute
Troy, New York
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: pad store appearance
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:31:34 EST

TO: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com

 -=> On 11-03-92  20:54, Peter A David babbled to All saying: <=-

 PAD> For all those interested (and even those not interested) I will be
 PAD> doing two store appearances in the Long Island area on Saturday,
 PAD> November 14. The first will be from 1-2 PM at Flashpoint Comics in Pt.
 PAD> Jefferson.  The second will be from 3-4 PM at Basset Books on Sunrise
 PAD> Highway in Bohemia.

 PAD> Visitors are welcome--particularly to Basset, since I've seen other
 PAD> author appearances at bookstores and frequently they're real small
 PAD> turnouts and very depressing.

So when are you coming to CANADA?!  :-)


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:12:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov12.035150.12327@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:

Spoilers ahead for A fist full of datas.  Serves you right if you read it.


>>Let's face it:  Data was constructed from spare parts in a hurry.

>>Yea, it's sad
>>to think about it, but Data is just scraped togther from what "junk" his
>>creator had sitting in his basement.

> Okay, but then why was Lore (who was built first and who Dr. Soong had
> plenty of time to find REAL parts for) given the same yellow skin
> color?  I mean, besides the evil twin syndrome needed for the Datalore
> plot.

Oh, you mean I can't say "because it would ruin the story?" ;-)  Don't
worry.  It's far easier than that!  Soong got a bargain price on this
yellow/white android "skin".  He bought the stuff by the yard.  He could
have made 4 or 5 androids with what he bought.  He was too CHEAP not to
use it on Data.  Believe you me, Brent Spiner would GLADLY have paid
Soong to use "natural" skin.   But NOOOO!  The old man's just too cheap!

So even though by the time Soong had made LOR and learned his lesson, he
put Data together out of cheap scrap parts.  He didn't even give him enough
programming to have emotions, etc.  Is it any wonder why Data's brain is
aways breaking down and malfuntioning and causing the holodeck to screw up?

Data's 400+ year old head is just about shot!  Just LISTEN to that faulty
poetry that he constructed!  There's proof!  Faulty, cheap spare parts.

Terry
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Subject: Re: Amanda!
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 11:37:25 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
A few lines for spoiler protection....

























> She will be a great addition to the show if they keep her on as a recurring
> character...Imagine a good Q who goes around helping instead of causing
> trouble.
> 
> Also I believe her parents are alive in the sense they still exist somewhere.
> She even said at the end she was going to go visit her parents. Can't do that
> if they are truely dead and how can an omnipotent being die? I think that
> her parents were exiled somewhere, sorta like those criminals in the Superman
> movies, and cannot get out but still are alive. The tornado was probably just
> to justify it to the humans living amoung them.
> 

When Amanda said that she was going to see her parents first, and expain 
things, I believe she ment her "adopted parents", not her biological ones.
Her biological parents died in the tornado when she was a baby.  Someone
had to raise her.  So she is going back home to say, hey mom and dad guess
what, I'm omnipotant, isn't that great!!.  So, I do believe that her 
biological parents are, in fact, dead.


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