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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Only the Buccaneers could manage this.
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:30:50 GMT

In article <Bz9ApF.1xn@fang.att.com> bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer) writes:
>I agree with you 100% about Vinnie not being the source of the Bucs problems,
>infact my respect for him has grown quite a bit this year.  His numbers
>don't do justice to his play because a fair number of his interceptions were
>tipped balls.  The Bucs need to make several changes if they ever expect
>to make the playoffs.  
>
>1. Improve/replace defensive backs.  The teams that beat us usually did it
>with their passing game.

Everyone other than Ricky Reynolds, who had his best season this year and,
in a winning situation, would have been a candidate for the Pro Bowl, will
have his position evaluated in the secondary this off-season. Look for the
Buccaneers to go after young,  fast,  tough,  cover guys in the free agent
market.
>
>2. Put McCants back at linebacker.  He's too small to be a DE.  Pick up
>a true defensive lineman.

I agree with this whole-heartedly!  This would kill three birds with one
stone.  This would give us a fearsome pass rusher at outside linebacker,
take the pressure off of Keith's knee somewhat,  and put us in a perfect
position to use our first round draft choice on one of the University of
Alabama's primo pass rushers.
>
>3. Teach the receivers to catch the damn ball.  Vinnie would hit them 
>right in the numbers and they would still drop the ball.

Look for deep speed to either be the next player picked in the draft, or
for the Bucs to go after a guy like Ernest Givens (who I believe will be
a free agent)  who went to Northeast High and grew up here in Tampa Bay.
>
>4. Get rid of Gary Anderson.  He's great in the open field.  The field is
>rarely open and it doesn't take much to knock him down.

Coach Wyche's old mentor, Bill Walsh, is coaching a young man, who if he
somehow lasts until the second round (I'm hearing that a lot of the per-
sonnel guys think he's a tweener and may be downgrading him)  could very
well be coming to Tampa Bay.   I think Glyn Milburn could become a third
down specialist for us  similar to what Ronnie Harmon has become for the
San Diego Chargers.   We should have both our pick and Phoenix's pick in
the 2nd round.
>
>I'm curious as to what other Buc fans think about their team.  Let me hear it
>boys.
>
>Brendan Dwyer
>Go Raiders! 
>Go Bucs!
>


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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:49:21 GMT
Organization: .

Zimmers writes:
>
>
>>FOR THE LAST TIME, I didn't say that the Saints OR Niners were
>>RoboTeams, I said they're playing the best ball right now.  Hello?
>
>Hello yourself.  Just don't get too disappointed when the Aints' now-
>vaunted (by you) offense is confined to single digits in the postseason.

Aaaaaaaah, classic Zimmers.

>>>The Aints will go as far as their defense can overcome
>>>the ineptness of their QB.  I don't think that translates to the Big
>>>Dance for the Big Easy.
>
>>Excuse me?  Did you even watch the Saints game in Candlestick?  Hebert
>>played flawlessly.  HE didn't lose the game, the Niners didn't steal the
>>game, it was the Saints defense (defensive play-calling) that lost the game.
>
>One game.  Big deal.  

No, one among many, but, alas, I'm talking in pluralities and losing
you.  Zimmers, I mentioned that game because you OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT 
been watching any Saints games other than the two they played vs SF.  
He has, in fact, been playing great ball since the 7th week in Phoenix.  
I'd argue he's playing better over these past 8 weeks than he ever has.  
Of course, that would be fruitless if I were arguing with you.  But I'm
not.  

In fact, I started this thread to stir up some SAINTS FANS TALK since it
is relatively low.  But (like everything else in r.s.f.p) you, JPG, and 
Co. use it as your own private spewing grounds.  But feel free to spew.
You spew, therefore, you're you!

Let me reiterate, the Niners and Saints are, IMHO, playing the best ball
right now.

>What are you more concerned about entering into
>postseason:  Hebert's performance or defensive play-calling?

Defensive play-calling.   Without a doubt.

>>(Please Lord, Candlestick ONE MORE TIME.....)
>
>Well, here we agree.  From the current look of things, the Aints need only
>dust the Vikings to get chance #3 against their divisional rivals.  And
>I for one don't want to see that happen.

Well, from the current looks of things, my Aints will be hosting the
Eagles; and THEN to Candlestick, providing the Vikes/GB don't choke against
the Skins.

>Fortunately, history is on my side, in more ways than one...
>-- 
>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984

Yeah, you're right.  
Your net.history precedes you, but I doubt its on your side.

--J.J.
(worshipbeebenow)
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packer questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.012941.10883@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>
>1.  What's the status of Tootie Robbins? He looked quite uncomfortable after 
>his shoulder seperation.
>

Robbins is expected to miss the Ram game.  His status for the Viking game
is uncertain.

>2.  No one has commented on the horrible field position the Pack kept the 
>Oilers in.  I don't think they started a drive closer than their own 25.  I 
>guess this isn't a question is it? :-)  Oh well

This was one of the keys to the game (along with the turnovers created
by the defense).  I thought the special teams played its best game of
the season.  The kick coverage was outstanding, thanks mostly to Corey 
Harris.  Also, didn't Harris almost break a kick-off return.  It's also
nice to have a punter who can get off a good kick when it's needed.

Ahead to this week's game.  I feel this will be the biggest test
for Mike Holmgren and his coaching staff.  It is absolutely crucial
that he keeps the players focused on the Rams and not the Vikings.
The Rams are certainly capable of beating the Packers should they
overlook them.

-Todd
GO PACKERS!!!!
GO STEELERS (you owe the PACK one for last week)!!!!
Am I dreaming or are the Packers really in the playoff hunt???

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer News/Tuesday
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 DEC 92 14:16:47    

In article <1992Dec9.225249.17515@sequent.com>, bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke) writes...

>What's the latest with Darrell Thompson? I heard a rumor that he was injured
>slighlty last week. Will he play?

I haven't heard anything about Thompson being injured.  It wouldn't 
surprize me but I really think he's healthy.

JGH
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Where will Montana Go?(was Re: (Vikes) The words SPARK...)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.164241.12404@netcom.com> bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer) writes:
>From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
>Subject: Re: Where will Montana Go?(was Re: (Vikes) The words SPARK...)
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:42:41 GMT
>In article <18831@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>> There is no good place for Joe.  He needs to stay put.  [...]  And the
>> way that Young plays, with no regard to personal safety, Joe could well
>> be the starter again early next year (or even in this postseason).
>
>I agree completely.  If the Niners were to trade Montana in deference
>to Young, the pressure to win could be damaging to both.  Neither one
>may like playing backup, but having both on call is a great insurance
>policy when you consider how often QBs go down.  After watching the hits
>Steve took in yesterday's game, I wonder about his chances of making it
>through the playoffs behind such a weakened OL.  I hope Joe gets some
>playing time during the next couple weeks, so he doesn't have to come
>in cold for the postseason.
>
>As for next year, I think they should let both QB's start during the
>preseason to see which one is more effective.  I'm still not convinced
>Young can take them all the way.  Since he will be a free agent, I guess
>management will be more concerned about Steve's leaving, but fans wouldn't
>be too happy about seeing a legend like Montana traded away, especially
>to an NFC contender.  This situation will test personnel management.
>
>Bernie Verreau					bverreau@netcom.COM
>RRRRRRRRR's                            		Redwood City, CA

Joe made it clear that if he felt 100% (which is now the case) he would not 
be satisfied on the bench.  If that meant leaving S.F.  he said yes.
I personally think he should retire, but there are lot of teams in serious 
need of a QB.

where would joe go?  I hate to say it, but doesnt he have 
family in the PITT area.  Imagine montana in a steelers uniform.

HA.

-ALN
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Green Bay/Minnesota Tie Breaker
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:54:08 GMT

> If Green Bay and Minnesota both end the season at 10-6
> 
>     Green Bay winning Both
>     Minnesota losing vs Green Bay
> 
> Who holds the Tie breaker??
> And how far down the tie breaking system does it have to go?
> 
>   Thanks
>   Darin

Minnesota still wins as follows:
1. Head-to-head record - the season series would be split 1-1
2. Divisional record - Minnesota would be 6-2, Green Bay would be 5-3

Minnesota wins based on the second criteria.  Green Bay's only hope for
a division title is to finish ahead of Minnesota.

Nix

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From: jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Eagles at home, Washington in the Port-o-poddy
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:40:30 GMT

All this talk about Washington being so great.... blah blah blah.  Look
at what Eagles did to Dallas at home.  Look at what they did to the 10-0
Giants last year (at home).  Washington will be crushed by the entire
city of Philadelphia :-)

-jg (jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: all SB winner
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:06:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec15.204918.10643@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.164850.15221@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
>
>>     Might mean that winning breeds winning attitudes for the future,
>>wheras the Broncos, Bills and Vikings of the world are left to be the
>>cannon fodder for the above-listed teams.
>
>So what happens if the Vikings and Broncos go to the Big Dance?
>-- 

They would tie...

-Will
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From: klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:32:25 GMT

>What is
>the exact rule anyway?  Does the QB have to simply be moving his arm forward,
>or does his arm have to pass his head, or does the ball have to leave his hand
>for it to be an incomplete pass when the ball is knocked away by a defender?
>I've heard all three so far.  It's not really important, but I just want to
>know if the refs are calling these things consistently.  Thanks for any
>answers folks.

The rule is:  the arm must be moving forward for it to be called an
incomplete pass.

The rule _should_ be:  the ball must leave the qb's hand for it to be called
an incompltete pass.

How do they know he wasn't pump-faking?  

A pass is throwing the ball.  Until the ball leaves his hand, the qb hasn't
thrown it yet.  How can it be an incomplete pass?

Despite my belly-aching and wishful thinking, the rule remains forward
motion of the hand.  Stupid.  Almost as stupid as getting rid of instant
replay.

					. . . the Mantis
					      (Evinrood)

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: Dominant Teams of the Nineties
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:26:53 CST

In article <1992Dec18.174803.15732@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1gohp7INNrs0@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes...
>
>>>Packers- another WR to compliment Sharpe, some help with the O line.
>>I don't agree here even though I'm a big Holmgren fan.  I don't
>>think they'll compete financially.  Aren't they at the bottom in the
>>salary averages?
>
>I don't know if the Packers will be contenders in the future or not 
>but financially they'll be okay as long as the league shares TV 
>revenue.  The Packers have 3 things in their favor:
>
>1) They don't have to make a profit.  They don't like losing money but 
>there's no owner to siphon off $2-$10 million a year.
:-)
>
>2) The exact amount is not made public but the Packers are estimated 
>to have between 25 and 40 million dollars in the bank.  ie. They have 
>a source of cash in an emergency and make $4 million a year in 
>interest/dividends off this money.
Actually I've heard the amount is closer to 50 million dollars
>
>3) They get free rent at Lambeau Field.
>
>The Packers have generally been in the bottom half of player salaries 
>for the past few years but when you consider that they've been in the 
>bottom quarter of the league for wins & losses that's not too bad.  
>The Packers always finish higher on the salary scale than they do in 
>wins & losses.
>
>JGH
Come on, the Packers pay great salaries.  Just look at what they pay placekick
holders!!!

-Chris C.
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chester H Zeshonski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: This week's SI(Inside the NFL)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BzFr6H.G3F@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes...

>The latest issue of Sports Illustrated features a good article
>on the Chargers'-D......The Charging Defence.  Makes interesting
>reading. Chargers fans out there....Hyderabadi.....and others
>....this should be of interest to u guys.
> 
>Some excerpts reproduced without permission.
> 
>" I don't think that the best in the AFC can beat the NFC's 
>second best..... If New Orleans were in the AFC, it might
>be the best team in the Conference" .....Mike Lombardi

Yeah, and Dombrowski (I believe it was, or maybe it was Swilling?) on the 
Saints' success against AFC teams:  "I think it goes back to power vs. finesse.
The Bills could play well in the NFC; they play power football."

But, by all means, folks, keep deluding yourselves...:)

>The league's only unbeaten home teams for 1992 reside in 
>Pennsylvania, where the Eagles and Steelers are both 6-0.

It's all that damn coal from the coalmines...

>S.H

					---Chet Zeshonski, who will be in PA
					next week...
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:11:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <jmelcher.35@polisci.umn.edu> jmelcher@polisci.umn.edu (James Melcher) writes:
>In article <Bz9qB6.Eno@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The 
>Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>Minnesota ties Pittsburgh;

Can anybody tell me how a tie is possible. I was of the opinion that
the concept of a tie has been removed sometime in the past.

>Jim Melcher
>Badger-in-exile,
>University of Minnesota


-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
GO EAGLES....
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From: ibsnat@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon Tsuji)
Subject: Re: HI POWER RATINGS: PACKERS WAY TOO LOW!!!!!!
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:53:40 GMT

 
> 20. Jets         ( 4- 9- 0)   -2.88    7.8/11.1
> 21. Buccaneers   ( 4- 9- 0)   -3.31   12.8/13.1
>> 22. Packers      ( 7- 6- 0)   -3.96   11.3/16.0
> 23. Colts        ( 6- 7- 0)   -4.49    7.3/20.1
> 24. Falcons      ( 5- 8- 0)   -4.56   11.2/17.0
>
>
>  22nd?!?!!?? THAT'S CRAZY!!!!!!!!
>  YOU'D BETTER REEVAULATE THOSE POWER RATINGS...
>  THAT'S AN INSULT.....
>
>-- 
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
 
My computer power ratings are NOT meant to be an insult to any 
particular team and should not be taken as such.  IMO, the 
purpose of any power rating system is to handicap football games.  
(My ratings are entirely based on a team's stats.)
 
I do admit that the Packers are playing better ball, especially 
during this recent 4 game winning streak, but they did start out 
3-6 and, statistically, were not impressive.
 
Green Bay Packers Statistics:
 
Games played:
   vs. Vikings         : 20 - 23     ( 0 - 1 - 0)
   vs. Buccaneers      :  3 - 31     ( 0 - 2 - 0)
   vs. Bengals         : 24 - 23     ( 1 - 2 - 0)
   vs. Steelers        : 17 -  3     ( 2 - 2 - 0)
   vs. Falcons         : 10 - 24     ( 2 - 3 - 0)
   BYE
   vs. Browns          :  6 - 17     ( 2 - 4 - 0)
   vs. Bears           : 10 - 30     ( 2 - 5 - 0)
   vs. Lions           : 27 - 13     ( 3 - 5 - 0)
   vs. Giants          :  7 - 27     ( 3 - 6 - 0)
   vs. Eagles          : 27 - 24     ( 4 - 6 - 0)
   vs. Bears           : 17 -  3     ( 5 - 6 - 0)
   vs. Buccaneers      : 19 - 14     ( 6 - 6 - 0)
   vs. Lions           : 38 - 10     ( 7 - 6 - 0)
 
Average Margin:
     Win  = 11.3
     Loss = 16.0
 
                     Offense             Defense
Rush attempts:         351                 325
Rush yards:           1366 ( 3.9)         1475 ( 4.5)
Rush yds / game:     105.1               113.5
Fumbles:                19                  16
 
Pass completions:      284                 208
Pass attempts:         439                 370
Pass percentage:     64.69 %             56.22 %
Pass yards:           2736 ( 6.2)         2452 ( 6.6)
Pass yds / game:     210.5               188.6
Interceptions:          10                  10
Sacks / Yds:       36/ 232             30/ 200
 
Turnover ratio:         -3
 
TDs rushing:             5                   9
TDs passing:            17                  13
Points:                225 (17.3)          242 (18.6)
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Just,
Daniel
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: RICE BY THE NUMBERS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:23:21 GMT

In article <5046@equinox.unr.edu> harrisl@equinox.unr.edu (Larry Harris) writes:

>The Long and Short Of it - Rice's TD receptions by length
>
>80 plus yards - 3
>70 - 79 yards - 3
>60 - 69 yards - 10
>50 - 59 yards - 9
>40 - 49 yards - 12
>30 - 39 yards - 9
>20 - 29 yards - 14
>10 - 19 yards - 16
> 1 -  9 yards - 25

But what we'll never know (unless someone has lots of videotape and even
more time) is how long the actual passes were, rather than the pass and
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:10:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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