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From: tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Losing the Performa "Documents" folder
Summary: how to turn off this misfeature?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:56:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0r8ML.4JM.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I just became the proud owner of a Performa 600, which came with "System
7.1P".  Aside from At Ease, which is easy to turn off, this system seems to
be just like regular System 7.1.  Except for one thing.  There is a special
folder "Documents" at the top level.  Any time you enter a file open/save
dialog box, THE BOX STARTS OUT IN THE DOCUMENTS FOLDER.  Want to open three
files that are in the same folder?  You get to navigate back to it each time.
This is the most damn-fool misfeature I've seen from Apple in a long time.
Do they think I want to store 160 Meg worth of files in one folder?

So how do I turn off this "training wheel"?  I tried trashing the Documents
folder; then everything works normally, until I restart the system,
whereupon the ^#$^%! thing reappears.  (The Finder also insists on creating
an Applications folder, but that one at least seems to be harmless.)
I don't particularly care to do this on every bootup, so a permanent
solution would be much appreciated.

				thanks, tom lane
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From: Sean_P._Peisert@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:51:14 PST
Subject: Re: Superclock Battery indicator indicates wrong?!?!?

You have superclock 3.9.  Superclock 3.9.1 is the latest.

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From: GRAFF <pier@reze-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to send a Postscript File to Laserwriter?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:17:20 GMT
Organization: RWTH-Aachen
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Hi Netters!

Is there a utility to send Postscript - Files to a LaserWriter?

I tried it with a utility on the System7 Installation - Disks,
but it didn
I also tried SendPS2.0 from Adobe (or so...) but it didn
under System 7. (Error - Message: LaserPrep not found)

	Thanks ...
	
			Jochen
			
P.S: English is not my native Language, sorry!
From: worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How to get rid of startup beep?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:13:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Indiana University

In article <CHET.93Jan11154409@sun132.mri.com> chet@mri.com (Chet Wood) writes:
>I'd like to have my mac start up silently when my kid is sleeping. I
>
>I've got an SE/30. I know about sticking a mini-phone jack in the
>audio output. I'm looking for a somewhat classier solution. thanks.
>
Chet, if it is a choice of waking or not waking a sleeping child,
who needs to worry about classy!  :>)
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From: glf@oclc.org (Greg Feldman-Hill)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:25:48 CDT
Subject: Sys 7.1 and mixed lang's


Sorry if this is a too-simple question, but...

I have more-or-less been ignoring any postings or info about system
7.1, mostly becuase IT COSTS MONEY NOW, where before system upgrades
did not.

At any rate, from the little I've seen, the new system is supposed to
be able to support multiple languages at the same time... like even in
the same document.  Is this true?

I'd like to have an English system (use English for the menu items and
dialog boxes, etc), but be able to select a Hebrew font in the middle
of my MSWord document AND have it key in right-to-left.  Is this
possible with the new system?  Is there more I'd have to buy, besides
maybe some PostScript or TT Hebrew fonts?

FYI, I have a Mac LCII, 6 meg RAM, 80 Meg HD, 512K built-in video RAM.

Thanks muchly for the info!
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From: glf@oclc.org (Greg Feldman-Hill)
Subject: Sys 7.1 and mixed lang's
Keywords: System 7.1, English, Hebrew, mixed
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:23:39 GMT
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From: pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:32:57 CDT
Subject: MicroSpot Int'l phone/address?

My copy of MacPlot Professional 4.0.1 has grown legs and wandered off.
And, of course, now I need to contact MicroSpot Int'l to ask a few
questions.

Could someone post or e-mail me the phone number and/or address for
MicroSpot?  I don't find it in the latest "Vendor E-Mail" listing.

And while I'm at it, is anyone else having problems with MacPlot Pro
4.0.1 and Excel 4.0?  We can't get free-floating text in charts to plot
for some reason.
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From: pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby)
Subject: MicroSpot Int'l phone/address?
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:20:55 GMT
From: Gabriel.Sigrist@etudiants.unine.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Reading .hs2 images on mac (Q)
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:08:13 MET
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

Hi and happy New Year !

Is there a way to display .hs2 (PC files) images on a Mac ?

 Thanks a lot
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: NOW menus 4.1 and Finder 7.1 command keys ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:42:48 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple

In article <C0II0C.1B3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) wrote:
> 
> I think I have localized the problem I am having to the most useful part of
> the package (of course), Now Menus.
> 
> Try this. Load Now Menus as the only extension with System 7.1. Pick the
> finder's "file menu". The command key assignment (com-W) for "close window"
> is gone.
> 
> Anyone else see this ?


I take it you mean NowMenus 4.0.1 not 4.1?

I still have Command-W with NowMenus and all my other extensions.


Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.
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From: armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian)
Subject: Re: Rebuilding desktop ?
Organization: Motorola LMPS STC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:24:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <delac-120193091202@dela.mgmt.purdue.edu>,
delac@midas.mgmt.purdue.edu (Chas. DeLa) wrote:
> 
> There's a key press sequence under System 7 that allows you to rebuild the
> desktop without rebooting first.  Can anyone tell me what it is?
> 

1. Quit out of all applications so that only the Finder is running.

2. Enter  Command-Option-Escape   (simulataneously).
A dialogue box will come up asking if you "really" want to quit the Finder.

3. Click on Yes.  Immediately afterward....

4. Hold down the Command & Option keys until a dialogue box asks if
   you really want to rebuild the desktop.

5. Go get a cup of coffee while it grinds away.......


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From: david_hickson@lincoln.gpsemi.com (David Hickson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How can I change my Hard Disk Icon?
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:19:57 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors (UK)
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In article <1993Jan11.190434.4091@linus.mitre.org> m19701,  writes:
>If you can't change the title I would suspect that you have sharing
turned
>on.  With sharing off you can change the title like always.  To change
the
>Icon, go to "get info", capture the icon (click and copy), go to one of
>many programs that will allow you to do something to it, paste, edit,
copy,
>and paste back onto icon under get info.  I've pasted in things from
>MacDraw, Studio, MacScan, etc. and have some interesting icons.  This
works
>for any icon. My trashcan looks like a black hole
>
>ed casey

Thanks for your reply Ed, but I still can't change the Hard Disk Icon or
Title with File Sharing turned off. I have no problems when it comes to
folders though.

Dave.
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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT-7.1 installer quirk
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:49:51 GMT

I checked my System file on both my PB 160 and IIci and neither one of
them have *any* fonts in them.  A different set of 7.1 installation
disks were used for the two systems. The PB 160 came with its own set
of 7.1 disks and I ordered the 7.1 upgrade for my IIci direct from
Apple.

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ncselxsi system administrator                       (415) 964-2819 Home
uucp:  ...!netcom!ncselxsi!fisher
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From: arie@eecs.umich.edu (Arie Covrigaru)
Subject: Re: ATM, Suitcase and System 7.1?
Reply-To: arie@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: AI Lab, The University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:56:45 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:10:55 GMT, fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher) said:

| In article <a76e3ecd@stefan.spn.com> stefan@stefan.spn.com writes:
|>It's important to me, but my dealer doesn't know:
|>
|>Do System 7.1, Suitcase 2.1.2 and ATM 2.03 work together?
|>If no: what can I do? (As far as I know, Adobe doesn't sell ATM 3.0?)

| No, you need ATM 3.0 with System 7.1.  It's available for $7.50 from
| Adobe (at least here in the States.)  The phone number and address are
| even in the read me file that comes with System 7.1.  Suitcase must be
| loaded *after* ATM 3.0.  This must be done by putting Suitcase in the
| System Folder, but *not* in the Extensions sub-folder.

| -- 
| Chuck Fisher                                        (800) 359-7997 Work
| ncselxsi system administrator                       (415) 964-2819 Home
| uucp:  ...!netcom!ncselxsi!fisher

Actually System 7.1, Suitcase 2.1.2 and ATM 2.03 do work together.
ATM 2.0.3 doesn't know about the Fonts folder but Suitcase 2.1.2
should not open any fonts in that folder anyway. So as along as
one opens all Type 1 font suitcases with Suitcase 2.1.2 and those
font suitcases are not in the system's Fonts folder, ATM 2.0.3 will
do its job.
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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Truetype vs. Postscript
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:51:43 GMT

Sean_P._Peisert@bmug.org writes ...
>I am running an LC with 6 megs of RAM, 90 megs of HD space, and System 7.1.  I
>am using an HP Deskwriter 550C.  I have ATM 3.0 and access to many Postscript
>and Truetype fonts.  Of these fonts, I have the option of intstalling either
>the Postscript fonts or their Truetype cousins.  
>The point is I only want Truetype OR Postscript and wouldn't like to combine
>the two.  What is all of your advice?  The more input, the better.

I'd go with TrueType.  Having ATM installed won't make TrueType go
away and will use up more RAM.  Since your printer doesn't talk
PostScript, I don't see any advantage to it unless you'll be sharing
ducuments regularly with other systems that _do_ use PostScript.

Of course, I don't follow my own advice.  I have both installed since
there are some fonts that only come in the PostScript format.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
From: ericg@hum.ucsc.edu (Eric Goodman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Formatting PB Drives (Important note)
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:01:30 GMT
Organization: UC Santa Cruz
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(Was System 7.1 Bug, PB 180 bug or bad HD)

In article <1icjloINNnh3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> 

Eric Goodman, ericg@hum.ucsc.edu (That's me!) writes:

>I've got a PowerBook 180 4/120 (Finally!) and am having an annoying if
>not fatal problem with the hard drive. I repartitioned the hard drive to
>reclaim the hidden space, then re-installed Sys 7.1 from the installer
>disks, in case that's important. The problem is that whenever I have a
>crash that requires a restart the internal drive is corrupted. The drive
>is found with no problems, but I get the "This disk is damaged, Do you
>want to initialize it?" message. 

The problem was caused by my reformatting the drive. I guess this is some
sort of timing conflict, but there have been reports that a hard drive
formatted with 'Sleep' enabled can become corrupt (see John Glendenning's
posting in comp.sys.mac.apps and .hardware). Gregory Glockner thought
Processor Cycling might also cause the same glitch.  

I was able to fix this problem by doing a full backup, turning off
'Sleep' and 'Processor Cycling' and reformatting the drive. Thank you,
Gregory, for your response and suggestion.  

For those who don't know, to get the Processor Cycling control click the
'OptionsU' button in the 'PowerBook' control panel while holding down the
option key. If you don't hold down the option key the Cycling option is
unavailable. 

Thanks to all who replied. Backing up and restoring the disk took close
to forever, but turned out to be well worth it.

Eric Goodman
Humanities Computing
UC Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
ericg@hum.ucsc.edu
ericg@ucschu.BITNET
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From: ddaly@draper.com (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Subject: Changing the location of icons
Reply-To: ddaly@draper.com (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Organization: CS Draper Lab
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:48:38 GMT

I would like to change the default location of the floppy disk icon on my
Mac, so that when I insert a new floppy the icon appears near the trash can.
Does anyone know if it is possible to make this modification?  Thanks in
advance.


Daniel Cameron Daly
ddaly@draper.com
"He who fights and runs away, lives to nuke the site from orbit"
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 16:21:20 MST
From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: mac 512 errors

In article <8322@news.duke.edu>, braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun)
says:
>
>A couple days ago a friend of mine was given an old mac 512k.
>However the machine came without any system software, so he asked
>me for help.  What is the latest system that will run on this
>model mac?  We found an old system 4.2, chopped it down so it
>would fit on a single-side disk and tried it (it successfully booted
>a mac plus), but he got an error 12 just before it finished booting.
>Does anybody know what this error is.  Does anybody have an old system
>that will work on his mac?
>
>Is it possible for his mac to use a double-sided drive?

An old 512K can indeed use an external double-sided drive, but all of
the 800K disks you use must be formatted MFS, which you must do elsewhere
(like on a Mac Plus).

Bruce Long
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From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: System 7.1 - Multitasking??  What else??
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:18:40 GMT

I was reading a recent issue of Byte.  In an acticle
on their best products of 1992, they talked about 
the expanded memory of the Powerbook 180 and state,
"The maximum RAM in the 180 has been extended to 
14mb (an increase of 6mb over the 170) letting you
tax System 7.1's multitasking capabilities even
further."

First, I did not think that 7.1 had true multitasking.
What other capabilities does 7.1 have over 7.0.X?

Thanks, John 
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From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Bug, PB 180 Bug or Bad HD?
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:38:54 GMT

In article <1icjloINNnh3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ericg@hum.ucsc.edu (Eric Goodman) writes:
>I've got a PowerBook 180 4/120 (Finally!) and am having an annoying if
>not fatal problem with the hard drive. I repartitioned the hard drive to
>reclaim the hidden space, then re-installed Sys 7.1 from the installer
>disks, in case that's important. The problem is that whenever I have a
>crash that requires a restart the internal drive is corrupted. The drive
>is found with no problems, but I get the "This disk is damaged, Do you
>want to initialize it?" message. I can get the drive back by running
>Norton Disk Doctor, though Norton says the disk may be damaged. This is
>an infinitely repeatable problem.
>
>So the question is as the title says: Is this something wrong with the
>System 7.1 installer, the PB ROMs or just a bad HD? (I am hoping to avoid
>reformatting because of the 85 Meg of stuff I'd have to back up - also,
>if this is a known problem, I'd like it solved before the backup, not
>after).

I was just going to write an article about this, so I decided to be a good
usenet citizen and read the old articles. Sometimes it really pays off to
follow the rules...

Anyway, I my PB160 HD has now crashed 3 times like this. On Monday, it happened
at the office, where we didn't have the correct system enabler, so I couldn't
even boot the machine to recover the files. We couldn't even find the enablers
from AppleLink. At least I learned always to carry a disk tools disk with me.

My theory is that you are used to using the power button to reset the machine.
Since Apple changed the power button to handle a soft restart on the new
machines, they probably introduced a problem where the disk is flushed when
the button is pressed (even if it is held down long enough so that the
machine truly shuts down).

I found that Spectre 1.0 will crash in 24 bit addressing mode and
reproduce the bug. To test my theory, I crashed the machine this way
and instead of holding down the power button, I used a pen to push the

A lot of old games crash on the PB160 and 180, because the video RAM is not
visible to programs that run in 24 bit addressing mode. Games have to call
SwapMMUMode on these machines if they want to write directly to the screen.
These games usually run just fine if you run the machine in 32-bit addressing
mode.

So, to avoid this problem, all you have to do is keep your finger off the
power button when the machine is on. I'm not happy about this, so I hope that
Apple will fix this (ASAP), since it's a very easily reproducible bug.

The curious thing is that "Disk First Aid" thinks that the HD is perfectly
ok and that no repairs are necessary.

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From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:34:30 CDT
Subject: HELP: Bad F-line error when trying to print- Suggestions?

In trying to print out a document with a lot og different fonts I kep
getting an error which says something like Bad F-line.  I have
tried both background and foreground printing, with and without
printmonitor.  I used both Clarisworks and MacDrawII, with the same
results.  I even went so far as to replace printmonitor and the system
frommy backup disks.  I am using a classic 4/40 with 7.0.1 tuned, only
a few extensions, such as SAM.  

Could somebody please help me!
Thank you in advance!

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Subject: HELP: Bad F-line error when trying to print- Suggestions?
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:46:00 GMT
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From: worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: system disappeared, but mac still runs
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:24:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1993Jan9.231713.5420@pro-freedom.cts.com> hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak) writes:
>Are you sure? Is there a folder that is blessed? Could you use 'FInd File'
>DA (system six) or the find command to look for 'system' or 'finder.' Is
>the whoe sys folder gone. How did it happen. Could you give some more
>information?

I am using 6.0.5.  Part of the system folder is visible, through the
alpha listing of "C."  The rest appears to be there, but invisible.
That includes invisibility to Disktop, Tools, Disinfectant2.9 listing
while running, ResEdit, and yet clearly, when I try to copy a system
component in, there is something there because the machine says it
cannot copy because that file is already there.  Yeh, I know that the
system HAS to be on the machine for the machine to function!

Thanks for the help, all of you!
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From: epatter@willamette.edu (Eric Patterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: **IMPORTANT** System 7.1 Installer bug
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:37:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.C0q231.F9F
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

I just looked at the 7.1 Installer script using InstallerSpy v0.4.  I
only looked at the script for "System for PowerBook 140/145" so this could
possibly vary by machine..

BUT, I did find instructions for the Installer to place Geneva, Monaco,
and Chicago in the system file--even if they weren't there before, it seems.

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