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From: sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xtropy-l
Subject: Re: Advantages of extropianism
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9301201921.AA13050@ws029.TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, bw@WS029.TORREYPINESCA.NCR.COM (Bruce White 3807) writes...
>Pat - I'll refresh your memory before you endorse any more slanderous
>statements:

I think you meant "Mark".  Text I have written follows.

>June 2, 1992
>[begin sermon]
> 
>    I'm glad to see the outpouring of tolerance for people of
>different memely persuasions.  Remember, not ALL Christian memes
>are that bad.  They have still retained "Thou shalt not steal",
>after all.  :)  This already puts them above leftist humanists.
> 
>    Let's make sure that transhumanists, and especially extropians,
>gain a reputation for tolerance and friendliness.  <hint! hint!>
>...
>***************************************************************************


	Yes, I wrote that and I meant every word.  HOWEVER, I drew the
line when you threatened to eliminate extropians conference.  I do
believe in tolerance, but I am not so tolerant as to give you a knife
and present my back.  Perry was right, your posts were disruptive from
what I recall.  I do think that Perry's recent post was 'over-colorful'
in describing the nature of your posts, so I don't endorse his specific
language.  But I do think that Perry is basically correct in that
several people supported your banishment and with good reason.

	I'm not picking on you.  This is nothing personal.  I simply
believe that Perry has his facts straight.


Mark Venture
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Why bother arguing?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:26:56 GMT

In article <9301182236.AA12133@ws029.TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> Bruce White 3807 <bw@WS029.TORREYPINESCA.NCR.COM> writes:
>
> . . .  I strongly agree that the extropians list be moved
>to an alt newsgroup. It would allow true freedom of speech, unhampered
>by any censorship imposed by either Harry Shapiro or ExI.

Why do you (and Pandit Singh) want to deprive those of us who enjoy the list
environment of that environment?  Create alt.extropians and I'll read it,
but talking about "moving" the list to a newsgroup is pointless, because it
ain't gonna happen -- not as a conversion of the structure, anyway.  It is
possible (though I wouldn't bet on it) that once alt.extropians gets
established the participants in the list will one by one drop the mailing
list, taking the "action" to the newsgroup, so that effectively the mailing
list will have been converted to a newsgroup (like Indiana will be converted
to Illinois if everyone gets up and walks a few hundred miles west).  Would
that satisfy you?

Mr White, I _have_ true freedom of speech, unhampered by Harry or ExI, and
so has anyone else who can send mail.  Everyone on the extropians list whose
ear I value has a mailing address known to me, and if I want to address them
I can send them mail privately, and Harry need never know.  (That's a couple
of dozen people at most.)
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                       dasher@well.sf.ca.us
+1 415 267 0685              1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
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From: mfsjjw@dante.nmsu.edu (Josh Walgenbach)
Subject: argetinian node
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:04:06 GMT

We have a user that is trying to contact a person in Argentina via bitnet 
The only address he has to go on is ecotono@arib.51 bitnet. Has anyone 
dealt with addresses like this before? Does anyone know how to get to that
address from the internet (perhaps throug a gateway that I don't know about)
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. You can email me at 
mfsjjw@nmsu.edu.

Thanks in advance.

Joshua Walgenbach
NMSU

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:47:25 CST
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         "Mark R. Williamson" <MARK@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: argetinian node
              22 Jan 1993 00:04:06 GMT from <mfsjjw@DANTE.NMSU.EDU>

There is a node named ARIB51.  The "." is either superfluous or was meant
to follow "51", making the pseudo-domain-name ARIB51.BITNET which some
internet sites' mailer accept as a shorthand for %-hacking through some
unspecified gateway.

Mark R. Williamson, Rice U., Houston TX; MARK@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU or @RICEVM1
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:34:45 EST
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         Adam Lowe <ST201691@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Centralized Mailinglists

>From:         Carlier Yves <yc@NESSY.RUG.AC.BE>

>- Make it possible to all people to read the  mail which is received by
>  these mailing-list, discussion-list, ... (with GOPHER)
I'd be interested in seeing how you implement this with Gopher.  Gopher
is a wonderful tool because it does allow you to tie in data that is
intended for just about any medium, but without a tie into a Mailer
program to reply/post to these lists, news announcements lists are
just about the only mailing lists that are worth reading in this manner.

>1.is there some sofware available for easy moderation of large mailboxes which
>   belong to subscribed maillists, discussionlists, info-lists, ...
Here at Brown on our VM/CMS system, ours was combined with a general
conferencing ability, so that the mailing lists are accessible at the
same time as local discussion boards.

>        * get the archives (which are often kept on the server on which
>        a maillist resides) AUTOMATICALLY, when these archives are updated
There might be a way to get LISTSERV to do this, but you will find
quickly that not all the mailing lists out there have archives, or are
LISTSERV lists.  There are a multitude of lists that are "Internet" based,
with no origins from the LISTSERV-type mailer.  I think it will be
easier for you to archive it yourself.

--Adam L.

--=o=--=o=--=o=--
  Adam Lowe,  Computer Coordinator
  Center For Environmental Studies,  Brown University
  Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu  (Internet),   ST201691@BROWNVM  (BitNet)
My signature: It bears no responsibility of my statements on my employer.
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:29:33 +1030
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         Dan Shearer <ccdps@LUX.LEVELS.UNISA.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Centralized Mailinglists
              22, 93 09:34:45 am

This reminds me of a discussion we had locally recently about listserv
software. We use the package PMDF (for Vaxes running VMS) and it is an
extremely reliable and flexible package.

As we evaluate what we want out of email, we are looking at all possible
options. In the listserv area, what is there which

    - runs on Unix

    - is reliable

    - has lots of features (database, multiple channels, automatic handling
      of almost everything, extensive help... and the other things that seem
      to only exist in unreliable beta-test Unix listservs :-)

Perhaps people would care to comment on what they use at their site, how
extensively it is used and how rugged it seems to be. I am particularly
interested in comments from or about the large sites.

Thanks,

--
 Dan Shearer                            email: Dan.Shearer@UniSA.edu.au
 Information Technology Branch          Phone: +61 8 302 3479
 University of South Australia          Fax  : +61 8 302 3385
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:30:11 EST
              <CW-EMAIL@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
From:         Scott Ophof <ophof@SERVER.UWINDSOR.CA>
Subject:      Re: argetinian node
              22, 93 12:04 am

Josh Walgenbach said:
]We have a user that is trying to contact a person in Argentina via bitnet
]The only address he has to go on is ecotono@arib.51 bitnet. Has anyone
]...

This type of question is what the people on HELP-NET@VM.Temple.edu
just *love* to answer.  I've already replied privately.

The general solution is to change:
    <user@node.bitnet>

into:
    <user%node.bitnet@gateway>

Note that the "@" becomes a "%", and "@gateway" is appended.
As gateway for North America one can use "uga.cc.uga.edu", but there
are a *lot* one can use...  Your local helpdesk will probably know a
more suitable one for the occasion.  :-)

Regards.
$$/
From: dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU (David E Boyes)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cw-email
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:45:32 GMT
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              93 4:09 pm

>Currently we are investigating the use of central subscription to mailinglists
>To hold the flow of duplicate mail, we want to subscribe to several lists from
> one central point (the computing centre), where all the mail for the various
> lists will be collected.  But it is not possible to keep all these received
> messages for all these lists, without moderating them.

You're describing a need for a tool like PSU NETNEWS or NNR, both
Usenet newsreaders. The bit.listserv hierarchy gateways most of
the really high-volume groups (and a lot of the smaller ones).

> - Make it possible to all people to read the  mail which is received by
>   these mailing-list, discussion-list, ... (with GOPHER)

gopher makes a fairly poor news reader, unfortunately, as it
keeps no records of what you've seen already. If you have a news
server available to you, NNR is the way to go.

> Yves Carlier
> Software Admin
> RUG - University of Ghent -- Belgium
> e-mail : yc@nessy.rug.ac.be
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:05:00 EDT
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From:         RICK@VSCNET.BITNET
Subject:      Re: argetinian node

test
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:00:36 PST
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From:         "Brian J. Coan" <brian@IGC.APC.ORG>

The IGC node suffered a serious mail delivery problem between mid-day
Tuesday, 1/19/93 and mid-day Thursday, 1/21/93, PST.  This problem
resulted in mail sent to IGC users from the Internet and certain UUCP
sites being lost.

Below is our record of all the mail you sent to users on IGC during
the affected time period.  If you have not received a response from
your correspondent for mail you sent last week, it is possible that
the fault was ours.  We have already notified the intended recipients
that you tried to send them mail.


Date     Time   Kbytes  Recipient
01/21/93 02:41  5       goodman
01/21/93 02:41  5       rfrey
01/21/93 08:55  2       goodman
01/21/93 08:55  2       rfrey

We apologise for the inconvenience that this has caused.

Brian J. Coan
System Administrator
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:33:57 +01
From: Herman Van Uytven <SYSTHVU@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cw-email
Subject: rules for 'Personal Name' E-mail addresses

Hello,

I am wondering which rules most people are using to make 'Personal Name'
mail addresses.
E.G. if my name = Van Uytven and my Surname = Herman, some possibilities
are :

     Herman.Van_Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.Van-Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.VanUytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
     Herman.Van.Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be

Our first choice was Van_Uytven, but the '_' is invalid in X.400
adresses, so I guess we need to drop this possibility.
Herman.Van.Uytven is neither a good choice, because X.400 will
have troubles in separating Name and Surname.

Other names we have :
 Surname : Karel          Name : Van der Haegen
 Surname : Anne-Mie       Name : De Meyer
 Surname : Paula          Name : D'Hondt        (a single quote)

Most names I see have Surname.Name, so the question is narrowed to
what you do with spaces, minus sign and quotes in parts of a (sur)name.
Accented characters (like in Ren{) will be translated to the
unaccented characters because this network is still 7-bit.

So I am wondering which rules other sites have, and why.
The goal we have is to give everybody an e-mail account like
Surname.Name@org.kuleuven.ac.be, so that we only have to put the
org in our paper telephone book.

Thanks,

-Herman-
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:10:09 CST
Reply-To:     Barry Finkel <B19141@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV>
From:         Barry Finkel <B19141@ANLVM.CTD.ANL.GOV>
Subject:      Argonne Running Unattended
Comments: To: LINKFAIL@UGA.BITNET,
          "Ron Thielen (312) 702-7612" <SYSRONT@UCHIMVS1.BITNET>,
          "Ed Zawacki (312) 996-0658" <U17375@UICVM.BITNET>,
          "Mike Stack (815) 753-1875" <A01MES1@NIU.BITNET>

Argonne National Laboratory is running unattended operations Tuesday-Saturday
from 12:30 AM until 8:00 AM, and all weekends (12:30 AM Saturday - 8:00 AM
Monday).
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Electronics and Computing Technologies Division
Argonne National Laboratory               BITNET:   B19141@ANLVM
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Argonne, IL   60439-4844                  Facsimile:(708) 252-5983
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:01:05 MET
Reply-To:     Ulrich Giese <U001213@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL>
From:         Ulrich Giese <U001213@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL>
Subject:      AEARN down.
Comments: To: pits@princeton.edu

friends,

i was just informed by Erwin Halpern, that the international node
AEARN is down for an unknown time because of CISCO hardware-problems.
affected are all bitnet connections to the countries :
      AT, CS, HU, RO, IR

regards
-ulrich-
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:52:38 MEZ
Reply-To:     "Erwin M. Halpern" <EARNADM@AEARN.BITNET>
From:         "Erwin M. Halpern" <EARNADM@AEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      256 KBps line from Vienna to CERN down
Comments: To: pits@Princeton.EDU

Since today morning, 09:40 (UTC+1) the 256KBps line from Vienna to CERN
was down due to PTT-problems. The line was fixed right now and it
seems to be stable.
Our RSCS-Queue from AEARN to the EARN-II backbone is not bigger
than about 300 per link and diminishing.

Sorry for any inconveniences and hopefully we overlive the night.

P.S. PTT did not tell us the reason for the breakdown :-))

Greetings
Erwin


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I :userid.EARNADM             :node.AWIUNI11        :net.BITNET        I
I   :name.Erwin M. Halpern                                             I
I   :addr.Vienna University Computing Center (VUCC);                   I
I         Universitaetsstrasse 7;                                      I
I         A-1010 Wien;                                                 I
I         Austria                                                      I
I   :phone.+43 1 436111-424                                            I
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:03:50 GMT
Reply-To:     UCDOPR@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
From:         UCDOPR@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
Subject:      IP Access
Comments: cc: ripe-op@ripe.net

 The UCD  external router FRAN will be shutdown on Saturday 23/1/93
between  12:00 - 13:30.

Effected Services :  National and International  IP access  to,from
and through   UCD.IE  nodes.

Earn access to and from Ireland.

IXI access to and from Ireland except for TCD.IE
nodes.

Operations,
University College Dublin.
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 14:36:41 +0200
Reply-To:     "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      WEIZMANN Down Time
Comments: To: IL-FAIL - Israeli System & Network Failure List
          <IL-FAIL@TAUNIVM.BITNET>, Postmaster@VOLCANI.BITNET

Node WEIZMANN  will be out  of service from  Tuesday 26/01/93 at  17:00 until
Wednesday 27/01/93 at 06:00 Israel time (GMT +02:00) to allow for maintenance
to the air conditioning system.

Affected downstream nodes: WISDOM, WISWIC, and VOLCANI.

- Lawrence
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:00:00 EST
Reply-To:     Lee Schultz <LSCHULTZ@WOOSTER.BITNET>
From:         Lee Schultz <LSCHULTZ@WOOSTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Node WOOSTER down Jan 25 - 27.

 The College of Wooster (WOOSTER) is ready to bring our new VAX 4000-500
on-line. We ran a short test this afternoon (Thursday, January 21) to make
sure our link with Ohio State came up properly (it did).

We will begin final conversions and moving all user files from the old system
to the new beginning Monday, January 25, 1993. We expect to be off the net for
24-48 hours.

The VAX 4000-500 will replace two VAX 11/750s (one in service since May 1983,
the other since December of 1985). I have plenty of TU58s available for anyone
willing to pay the postage 8{)>.

Remote sites should not see any change to e-mail addresses of our users or the
IP number of ACS.WOOSTER.EDU (username@WOOSTER for BITnet addresses,
username@acs.WOOSTER.edu for Internet addresses and 140.103.29.3 for the IP
address of ACS.WOOSTER.EDU).

 Please note that WOOSTER is an end node.

 We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

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Lee Schultz
Assistant Director, Systems and Networking                   (216) 263 - 2242
Academic Computing Services, College of Wooster     LSCHULTZ @ WOOSTER.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:37:02 EST
Reply-To:     Paul Goodwin <CC100PG@GITVM1.BITNET>
From:         Paul Goodwin <CC100PG@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      GITVM1 down thursday, Jan 21

GITVM1 was down due to hardware problems from 18:34 until 21:30 on January 21.
The machine is now up, and no spool files were lost.


Paul Goodwin
IBM System Support
Georgia Institute of Technology
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:31:00 EST
From:         "Bill Verity (814) 865-4758" <WHV@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Need vendor for LISQUAL or ETHNOGRAPH

A user is looking for these programs.  Not sure about spelling.  We think
they have to do with analysis of classified/categorical data.  Any clues
would be appreciated.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:14:00 EST
From:         UEBERSAX@PHS.BGSM.WFU.EDU
Subject:      correct chi-square character

Does anyone know the correct typographical form for the Pearson chi-square
statistic?  Standard texts like Bishop, Fienberg & Holland show it as
X^2, but is the X an upper-case "ex" or an upper-case Greek chi?

John Uebersax
uebersax@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:16:00 EST
Reply-To:     "Davis A. Foulger (914) 945-2077 (t. 862-2077)"
              <Foulger@WATSON.BITNET>
From:         FOLGER@WATSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Interactions

>Well, it seems to me that when you use an ANOVA, you engage in classic
>ANOVA interaction thinking, otherwise you would use another technique.

I wish that was true.  Unfortunately, I don't think it is.  I have seen far
too many graduate programs whose idea of teaching statistical analysis and
experimental design is to roll out, in order, Chi Squares, T-tests, and
ANOVA.  Occasionally folks graduate to MANOVA.  Rarely is much more than
handwaving done over regression.  Most people don't engage in class ANOVA
interaction thinking because they have selected it.  They select it because
its all they know.

>The whole point to the ANOVA is the conditionality of the statement.  If
>you have an interaction, you can't make an unconditional statement.

I don't agree.  Interactions are not subsidiary effects.  They are effects
in and of themselves which, when shaped correctly, can be interpreted
independently of the main effects.  If all one does with an interaction is
to say that you can no longer make an unconditional statement about
the main effects, one probably hasn't done a complete analysis.

Davis

Snailmail..........................Davis A. Foulger
Internet: FOLGER@WATSON.IBM.COM    IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
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From: ph@physiology.oxford.ac.uk (Patrick Haggard)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.stat-l
Subject: Violated t-test assumptions: how to adjust?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:55:06 GMT
Organization: Physiology Department, Oxford University, Oxford, UK.
Originator: ph@motor.physiol

In his classic 1960 paper, Boneau discussed the effects on the t test
and related tests of violating the parametric assumptions.  From the
inferential point of view, I remember the most drastic problem is the
situation of unequal sample sizes, where the smaller sample has the
larger variance.  This leads to increased type I error: in his
examples from 0.06 to 0.16, as I recall.

Well this is exactly the situation in which I now find myself.  I
have a sample of 5 and an unrelated sample of 20, and the former has
the greater variance.  So I thought I would just ask what the current
state of opinion is on this situation.  In particular, can anyone
suggest an adjustment to the t statistic which takes this problem into
account, and will give a more accurate probability value.

I originally read Boneau in my undergraduate days: are there any more
up to date papers on violating parametric assumptions.

Many thanks
Patrick
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