HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rwb00@loon.as (Robert W Beveridge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:31:56 GMT
Reply-To: rwb00@loon.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 719253095@convex.convex.com, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <44=L02Je266k01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> rwb00@loon.as (Robert W Beveridge) writes:
>
>>>Please show me where I have said that
>
>>You infered it - thats why it says "You seem to be...".
>
>I inferred it?  How would you know what I inferred?  Strange,
>but I don't remember inferring any such thing -- although you
>did.
>
>Oh, you mean I *implied* it.  I don't remember doing that, either.
>Again, please show me where.

I guess I inferred that you implied it...I didn't mean to imply that you
inferred it...:)
>
>
>>Well, if we all agreed on a definition of "good", there would be nothing to
>>talk about in this group. I use both systems, and find that Windows is by
>>in large as "good" as a Mac. 
>
>Well, there are some people who'd claim that Andy Warhol was as "good"
>as Leonardo da Vinci.  If you're saying, "Well, I'm a Windows bigot,
>and I believe *everything* is subjective, so there's no use arguing
>with me," so be it.  But some of us would like to see interface design
>*advance*, not move back to the DOS age.

Why would you think that I think interface design is subjective, when I
specifically gave you an example of a Windows interface feature that I thought
improved on the Mac ? - but of course you you edited it out of your reply !

Why do you think I am a Windows bigot - especially since I have stated my
tolerance for and use of both Windows and Mac ? If there is a computer bigot in this
conversation, it isn't me...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Defense of CLI (there, I changed the subject ... )
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:09:16 GMT
 <ibhan.718394592@husc8><TOMSTER.92Oct6222702@bigwpi.WPI.EDU><1992Oct7.142810.1
 3778@gvl.unisys.com><TOMSTER.92Oct7113657@wpi.WPI.EDU><ewright.718490168@convex.convex.com> <TOMSTER.92Oct9212741@bigwpi.WP

>I didn't mean the MacOS was faster than equivalent os's.  If you hadn't
>cut out a significant chunk there I would have shown you more descriptively.
>I meant that mousing on the MacOS is inherently faster than keyboarding
>because there is no extensive system of keyboarding on the Mac.  Many,
>many, many things can not be done on a keyboard.  I consider this a bug, not
>a feature.

A bug is when you have something in a program which doesn't work properly.
 This sounds more like a lack of a feature.  Any, what are these many,
many things that cannot be done on a keyboard.  Copying is one of the few.
 Menus?  I believe there is a freeware or shareware utility to let you do
that, though I personally can't stand using the menus from the keyboard. 
Command-key equivs take care of the rest.  I guess you can't really move
icons around with the keyboard (unless you have Easy Access installed),
but the mouse seems much better for that sort of thing.

-- 
             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: the NeXT option (Was Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:27:48 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct16.040249.670@trl.oz.au> soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung) writes:

>Your conclusion is unjustified.  Regardless of whether a programmer
>cooperates with the OS has nothing at all to do with whether or not the
>OS provides a pre-emptive multitasking environment.  

Do you *really* believe it's coincidence that the word "cooperative"
appears in "cooperative multitasking?" 

>Using your argument, it would be impossible for so-called pre-emptive
>multiprocessing OS such as UNIX to provide a reasonable user interface
>with the user.  

Bingo.

>Yet, many users around the world have no problems with
>interactive sessions on UNIX machines.

Rubbish.  I've used enough UNIX/X-Windows systems to know that's
not true.  When you click your mouse on a menu or a button or a
scrollbar in an X-Windows program, there's no guarantee how long
it will take that object to respond.  It could be nearly instantaneous,
it could be several seconds, it could be several minutes.  In fact,
I can guarantee it *will* be several minutes *if* you have enough
other processes running/  
 

>The SparcStation (a UNIX box) in front of me has (at last count) 62
>processes running.  If your argument is correct, I must be a masochist
>for using an X server, 6 xterms (terminal emulators), mail, news,
>GnuEmacs, and the C++ compiler all at the same time!  Gawd, I wonder
>how many people would like to suffer like me?

Not me.  (I do, but I don't like it.)

First of all, note that you are running a CPU that is 10x faster
than any current Mac, Amiga, or PC. 

Okay, now let's add a ray-tracer to that mix, and "nice" its priority
up to the maximum so that it finishes as soon as possible.  Increase
the number of xterms to 20 or 30.  Open up a copy of Framemaker and
a couple of Frame documents.  Now, try editing a bit of text in Framemaker
and see how "fast" its responce is.


>My old Amiga 1000 could run a terminal session, a game and an editor
>all at the same time.  While I was editing a newsletter, my current
>A3000 has run GnuEmacs, multiple shells, the occasional game (blush),
>the TeX compiler, a DVI previewer, a PostScript interpreter and
>previewer, and a print job all at the same time.  As far as I know,
>none of these programs require any special code to ``cooperate'' with
>the OS.  

They key words -- "as far as I know."  You don't seem to *want* to
know.  (So, why didn't you claim it could run a real editor, instead
of a piece of crap like gnumacs, while doing all this?)







Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: How to justify a mac
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:19:50 GMT

I have a few friends that tried for years to get Mac accepted at
a Motorola Government Electronics Group plant.  Nothing would
work.  PC's were king and anthing that looked like a Mac was
considered a toy.

Things turned around only after a few managers brought in thier
own home Macs for personnal use.  The other managers saw how
fast they create professional looking documents and presentations.
Withing a few months everything changed.  Now if you don't have
a PB 170, you're a nobody in the division.

[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Oct9.212807.13564@leland.Stanford.EDU> <6182.2ad988cb@hayes.com>
	<strobl.718933838@gmd.de>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:50:21 GMT

WS>   == Wolfgang Strobl <strobl@gmd.de> 
Bill> == bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:

 Bill> But, for USERS (eg not developers), there's little benefit. The
 Bill> USERs apps shouldn't crash. Period.

 WS> This is a very shortsightened reasoning. The users applications
 WS> SHOULD crash, IMHO, as long as they are buggy. Memory protection in
 WS> the end users system gives developers a strong incentive not to
 WS> release buggy applications.

This seems odd to me.  I would think that lack of memory protection
would present *more* of an incentive to developers to make sure their
programs don't crash, rather than less, because it's more likely to piss
off the users if the crash takes down the whole system, no?
--
Christopher K. Davis      |       NET.INSIGHTS INTO ARTISTIC CRITICISM:
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   | ``[Y]ou don't cure bad art by locking it all up
System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   | at bad artists.'' --Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for FAX/Modems
Followup-To: <1992Oct9.174850.19404@tc.fluke.COM>
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:19:38 GMT

Wally Miller:

Last year, I purchased a Zoom Fax modem (2400 data / 9600 Fax Send&Receive).
The modem was bought through mail-order (MacConnection).  I've always
had good service from them, and I really enjoy the idea of overnight
delivery (same-day if you order after midnight) for only $3.00.

The Zoom came with cable and software, and seems to work OK.  The case
is made of cheap plastic, and doesn't look like it will take too much
punishment.  The connector on the back looks weak, and will surely
fail if I move the cable back-and-forth too much.  The Zoom was the
least expensive name brand that I could find at the time (~$140) that
came with everything.

Currently, I'm looking at the Supra FAX Modem (with v32bis) @ 14,400 buad.
I'll attach it to the next Mac that I get.  The Supra costs more $$$
($378), but it looks like a more sturdy product (lots faster too).


BTW: look closely at FAX/Modems.  Some inexpensive units only come with
FAX Send capability.  Make sure that you get a Send/Receive (S/R) unit.

I've had good experience with over-night mail order houses.  You can
find them listed in magazines like MacUser.  Order a product using a
major credit card (for protection), and save the gas and time of
driving to a computer store.

MacConnection 800-800-3333 (get a magazine to select products from)
Mac'sPlace 800-367-4222

(most major product lines come with a 30 to 60 day money back guarantee,
and the vendors are indicated in the product listings)


[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: HD defragmenter ?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:47:03 GMT

jdymond@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Jason Dymond) writes:

>I am looking for a PD/Shareware HD defragmenter for the Mac which is
>System 7 friendly.  Does anyone know where I might find such.  I have
>been using SUM2, and have just found that it has been trashing my HD.
>If there is no PD.. software available, does anyone have recommendations
>re: commercial software eg. DiskExpress, NUM, others ?

   Speed Disk. It's included in the Norton Utilities package. It's the best
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: Re: iomega/bernoulli software?
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:28:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.230032.4734@fcom.cc.utah.edu> ccs@u.cc.utah.edu (Charles Storer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.202517.3468@news.miami.edu> sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski) writes:
>>Does anyone know if the drivers/diagnostics software for the IOmega
>>Bernoulli removable drives are publicly distributed by FTP or on a BBS.
>>
>Iomega's BBS can be reached at 801-778-4400. You can also get some of
>the Iomega Bernoulli drivers by sending structured email messages to the
>Internet address info@iomega.com. This is an automated information
>service provided by Iomega, but it's not exactly FTP.
>-- 
>Charles Storer           ccs@iomega.com          Iomega Corporation


Thanks, Charles.  And thanks everyone else for helping on this.  My
other net-benefactors on this were:
: Kenneth.Hughes@TR2.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
: guin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil (Rex Guin)
: goblec@theory.byu.edu (Clark Goble)
: Ngo Bach Long  <dragon@pooky.EE.McGill.CA>
Bach's been particularly helpful walking me through some questions, and
Clark did too.  Thanks y'all.


IOmega's BBS is an HST Dual Standard, up to 9600 (8 N 1) plus some faster
speeds with HST protocols.  The drivers are there for MACs and other CPUs,
plus some other utilities and product info.

The drivers are also available by FTP from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the
info-mac/util directory, and are published on the "bi-monthly Nautilus
CD-ROM".

Apparently there's a ~$40 kit from retailers and mail-order with a cable
and drivers, as well as a more expensive kit (>$80) that includes
Retrospect backup software.  (Just being thorough, folks).


Well, I havent successfully initialized a disk yet, even using AccessPC
with the IOmega drivers, but I've been having some system problems of my
own so I cant fix the blame yet.  The iomega drivers are a little touchy
about other inits...  Again, I have way too many :-), so I just cleared all
the fun ones out of the way for now.

(Next I want to try the *nix drivers!)



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 Internet: sikorski@umigw.rsmas.miami.edu        
         r.sikorski@rsmas.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: j0m1247@sigma.tamu.edu (MARCOS, JULIO)
Subject: Re: Can you plug an FPU into the Color Pivot IIsi interface?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:08:00 GMT

In article <87SRBZTH@cc.swarthmore.edu>, chogend1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Chris Hogendorn) writes...
>I think I've seen mention of an FPU slot on the interface for the Color
>Pivot. Is this true? Does it have the same performance as a regular FPU
>card? Can you still add a cache card to the interface? Are there other
>similar arrangements on other video cards for the IIsi? Any answers would
>be greatly appreciated. --> Chris

I bought a Color Pivot LE with the corresponding IIsi card 2 weeks ago.
The card has indeed a slot for the FPU: It took me a long time to take
the coprocessor out from my PDS expander slot (which is now useless), but it
was really easy to snap it into the Pivot's card.

Basically, the card goes into the PDS slot. It provides the FPU slot and
another PDS slot to place any other PDS card (such as ethernet, cache, etc).
This one would go horizontally, and a plastic support for the end of the
future card is provided. This piece snaps into the power supply external box.
The FPU goes at the same speed on the Pivot card as it did on my PDS expander,
and Radius even supplies a utility calles RadiusMath which speeds things up.
(they say it's not necessary for 7.0.1, but it still increases my si's per-
formance).

The 1,2,4 bit video do not change radically in performance (1bit is even
slower), but 8-bit is 43% faster: an index of 1.84 is obtained with
Speedometer, from a previous 1.2x. ( I'm trying to recall these values
 from memory).
Now it's decent!

The card does not suck too much power, either. Can't remember how many
Watts, though.

If you have any more questions, just send me an e-mail.



Julio Marcos
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas
				"Still pristine... Looking grreat!"
j0m1247@sigma.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner)
Subject: Re: Need info on Sony 1320 14" monitor for LC II
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 20:53:52 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

We paid less that $400 for a 1320, with adapter, in the Portland, OR area.  We've
been reasonably satisfied with it.
-- 
Archie Lachner
Mentor Graphics Corporation
Wilsonville, Oregon
archie_lachner@mentorg.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cs108069@pandora.sdsu.edu (DeRose)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR Monitor Advice
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:18:54 GMT

My personal vote is to go with the Sony 1304S.  It's just as pretty
looking as the AppleColor and is a multisync to boot!  :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: alex.sarafian@analog.com (Alex Sarafian)
Subject: Using ADB keyboard with Mac Plus
Originator: sarafian@massis
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:40:52 GMT



Is there a way to use an Apple Desktop Bus keyboard with a Mac Plus?

Is it possible to convert the ADB cable to RJ-11 and have the keyboard work?

If so, how is this done?


Please email alex.sarafian@analog.com and I will post a summary.


Thanks!



-- 
+----------------------+
    Alex Sarafian 
  Analog Devices, Inc.
alex.sarafian@analog.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Mac IIcx hard drive fails to spin up
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:08:29 GMT

I have a Mac IIcx, several years old, with the original Apple 80MB hard
drive.  Yesterday it failed to spin up... the disk access light blinked
regularly for a minute, then the Mac gave up and prompted for a boot
floppy.  I hit the programmer's switch and then it booted from the hard
disk.

I'm pretty sure I read some years ago that this was a known problem
with IIcx's in a certain range of serial numbers.  I remember noticing
at the time that mine was in that range, but I figured there was no use
doing anything unless/until it had a problem.  Well, now it's time.  I
thought I had saved the article describing the problem and its
solution, but now I can't find it anywhere.

Does anyone have any information on this problem?  I think there might
be something relevant on AppleLink.  Thanks in advance!

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Inconceivable!"  "I don't think that word means what you think it means."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Adjusting the 9" mac plus monitor...can it be done?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:43:29 GMT

Yes, it is easy to do some adjustments on the Plus. This may not
solve the problem but rather treat the symptoms. 
  Can anyone suggest that something is dying here?

Once the back case of the Mac Plus is removed you should see a vertical
board on the right? hand side. This board has a cardboard cover for safety
and there are several openings in the cardboard. through these openings you
can adjust size, brightness and position of the CRT image. There are iconic
labels by the openings - fairly obivious what they do.

Tools needed to get the case apart:  a T-15? (Torx) screwdriver with a very
long shank. You have to reach two deeply recessed screws in the handle; two
easy screws near bottom of back; and one in the battery pocket.
You can also use an Allen tool but I don't know the size.
Main trouble is the recessed screws.


Once the screws are out you can gently pry the case apart along the seam
running around the case near the front edge - finger nails or putty knife
is usually enough to pry it apart. 

Disconnect the AC power cord FIRST please...

It is generally safe inside the case but don't be foolish - don't touch
things until you have reduced static charge on body by holding on to the
metal chassis for a moment - every time you come back to the Mac do that.
Even just a few steps on carpet can build a damaging static discharge if
you are careless where you put your fingers.

A small screwdriver, straight blade, is used to adjust the image...

Good luck. Remember that this may be an short term solution. I suspect 
that a power supply problem may be causing the reduced image size...

Anyone recommend the correct voltage output and how to adjust on a Plus?

Dale

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: aj@lew.rosemount.com (Andy Joe)
Subject: System 7.0 eats up 14M of memory!
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:37:50 GMT

I don't know if this question was posted or answered before, but
here goes...

I upgraded my IIci to 20 megs yesterday, and discovered that if I
don't have 32 bit addressing turned on, the system uses about 14megs,
and leaves only 6 megs of free memory.

I have 16 megs in bank B, and 4 in bank A, and don't have any
extensions loaded.

Does anybody have a reasonable answer to this?

thanxs in advance.

aj.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach)
Subject: ci-> Quadra upgrade... Shreve's FAX #
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:14:21 GMT

E-Mail didn't work...

>  To: oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no (Oivind Idso)
>  From: LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV
>  Subject: Re: IIci --> Quadra upgrade...?
>  
>>Coming from Norway/Scandinavia, it is easier (read: cheaper) for me
>>to fax Shreve Systems.
>>Would you therefore please mail me their fax-number?
>  
>  Shreve may be FAXed at, 318-742-2799.
>  
>>Or even better, do you know how much their IIci --> Quadra upgrade
>>costs? Does this upgrade also work for the IIcx?
>  
>  The pricing structure for Macintosh's has changed (lower), so Shreve's
>  prices may have gone down too.  Prices for the CX upgrade were a bit 
>  more than the CI upgrade.
>  
>>Thanks...
>>Oivind Idso (-: oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no :-)
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  DUANE BEACH
>  LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV
From: ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: memory & hd upgrade for pb100
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:22:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ar619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jaime Villacorte)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand) says:

>In article <1992Oct6.013620.27320@informix.com> todd@crayola (Todd Katz) writes:
>>Also, will the battery life be greatly affected by having
>>to support 8 meg. instead of 2 meg.?
>
>The 6 meg RAM card will draw more power, however, they say the biggest
>three power wasters are the hard drive, the screen, and the processor.
>I would think the 6 meg RAM card would draw power pretty minimally
>compared to those.  Also, you can set up a RAM disk when you have more
>than 2 meg memory, and that can save a *lot* of power by being able to
>leave the hard drive powered down.

    Here's my experience with battery life on a PB100 upgraded to 8Mb...
(measured with a simple app called "Edison" available from sumex)
With normal HD usage, I'm typically getting battery life in the range
of 1:20 to 1:30. If I boot off (and work strictly from) a 4Mb RAM disk,
and dismount and spin down the HD, I can get 1:35 to 1:50 in battery life.
These times are with the backlight at a minimum, Appletalk off, and with no
internal modem. If I simply leave my PB sleeping after a full recharge
(ie resist the temptation to turn it on), I find that after approximately
4 days, the battery is almost discharged completely.

    I don't know if my experience are atypical, but I suspect that
the twelve 512Kx4 pseudo-static ram chips that are on my 6Mb memory module
are drawing a non-negligible amount of power while in a "sleep" state,
and definitely will reduce your battery life considerably compared
to a base 2Mb system.

    So does anyone know of any third party lead acid batteries that
have longer life? (I think Apple's is 2.2 amp-hours.)
-- 
					- jaime villacorte

					  ar619@Cleveland.freenet.edu  or
					  jaime@tcville.hac.com 
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