HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com (sivesh pradhaan)
Subject: does any one have the phone # of Travel Traditions?
Reply-To: sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. (Huntsville, Al.)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:05:04 GMT

Hi gang,

I am looking for the phone # of a travel agency "Travel Traditions". It is 
listed in the travel agent survey that has been floating around here. The phone
# listed in there is no good any more. A copy of the listing from the survey
followes:

    Travel Tradition
    Ashok Shivalkar
    New York, NY
    212-972-0756 ------> this # is no longer in use.

I am not sure if they are still in NY or not.

So if any one knows their current #, please e-mail them to me. 

Thanx

-Sivesh

sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Question about Judgement Day?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:27:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec12.235245.1131@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rhassan@csws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Rana Hassan) writes:
>	I have a question...Does it say in The Glorious Qu'ran that the Day
>of Judgement is close by when Muslims across the world are being persecuted
>or are considered an inferior race?  Isn't this the time when the Prophet
>Ees Al Islam is supposedly to come to this world and help Muslims in distress?
>Isn't this the time when the man who is blind in one eye (The "Anti-Islamic")
>comes about and makes half the population go against the world's greatest
>and only true religion -- Islam!!?  Isn't this the time when a lot of our so-
>called "Brothers in Islam." more like the "Hippocrites in Islam"?  Isn't this
>the time when the blowing of the trumpets is near?  Isn't this the time when
>the sound of the donkey is the sound of earth's final destiny?  Isn't this
>the time to tell all Muslims to work together, love together, and live
>together? S Shouldn't we all begin to talk to each other like teammates
>instead of fighting over STUPID things (half the things you guys fight over
>are answered in The Ever-Beautiful Qu'ran)?  Why don't we begin to talk
>to each other with ideas instead of arguments?  When we all have our turn on
>line, we will be judged by what we did, said, and thought not by what others
>told us.  If we corrected any errors of others with love and understanding,
>it just brings us one step closer to a better afterlife.  If we answered with
>anger, especially men to women (and vice-versa), it brings us closer to
>an afterlife which is one step closer to agony and pain.  Remember, we will
>begin loving each other once everyone will be smart enough to agree/disagree
>with others with a simple and loving reply instead of a rude and unworthy
>remark.  One more question, don't you think if we stick together like the
>Jews do we would accomplish MUCH more since we are practically one of the
>largest religions in the world?  Why do we have to wait for anyone divine
>to always help us out?  If we can do the job on our own then ALLAH will
>be most proud ESPECIALLY with the ones who started the "fire"!
>
>
>
>					RHassan@ccmail.sunysb.edu
>
>
>
>
>


Do you mind keeping that out of soc.culture.canada?  I don't see
the relevance.

Luc B

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi)
Subject: Re: ...... Hyderabadi muslims ........
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:48:39 GMT

In article <28302@optima.cs.arizona.edu> mazhar@cs.arizona.edu (Mazhar N Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.183019.28236@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
># 
># My personal experience is identical.  having lived in many parts of india,
># I venture to state this : the hyderabadi muslims are the most
># agressive and the most unpatriotic muslims in the subcontinent (going by
># the definition of the concepts of Nationnality and Citizenship).
>
>How many hyderabadi muslims do you know and what kind of hyderabadi muslims
>have you moved around with ?
>
  Mazhar,

      I appreciate what you said and what you wrote. I also have many friends
who are both muslims and indians and very patriotic at that. May be seetamraju
is wrong in such total generalisation..but can you deny that there is, among
a section of hyderabadi muslims, an identification with pakistan? Admittedly
you must have had greater contact with muslims in general that i had(have) and
so you will be in abetter position to answer..Can you deny that, there is
a section of hyderabadi muslims who are more with pakistan than india? 

How would you explain the large scale celebration when anything good happens
to pakistan and not so enthusiasm when the same good happens to india? Please
do not deny that it exists.
 
Narain
(Also an urdu lover, fan of mohamed rafi and naushad....and once upon a time
  azhar....now i've defected to sachin:-))



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kumark@austin.ibm.com (Kumar K.)
Subject: Testing
Originator: kumark@dccocs01.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:01:40 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin


This is a test. please ignore this.
     
Keywords: 

-- 


##################################################
Name: Ratnakumar, Kakumanu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: echeverr@scf.usc.edu (5150)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RELIGION:  The Opiate of False Believers
Followup-To: rec.games.netrek
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:10:35 -0800
Organization: <censored>
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1gh80aINNdpt@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>In article <TODD.92Dec14125908@athena.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
>>In article <Bz3sEs.8CJ@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>>>As I see it, religion is an artificial spirituality created by man 
>>>to gain control over man.
>>I thought that was the role of spectator sports!
>No.  It's the satanic cult of Nintendo!

You've obviously never heard of netrek.

5150
followups set correctly
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava)
Subject: Re: Babri mosque and Muslims
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:53:21 GMT

If the horrible incidents in Pakistan and Bangla Desh do not represent
the views of all Muslims - then how many Pakistanis and Bangla Deshis 
have come forward to protest againt the multiple crimes of buring temples
in their country?

Why is it so that whatever act ( no matter how much horrible ) Muslims do
are justified either based on relegion or as a reaction? Are the people in
these countries not responsible for flaming the fights in India through 
their reactions? How can they get away without any guilt in their hearts 
- for destroying over 60 temples? Well what does it show?

You cry about Kashmir and the Muslims living there. Have you ever considered
about more that 100,000 Hindus who had to give up their homes and are staying
in makeshift road side tents in other parts of India? Are Muslims in Kashmir 
not guilty of this? No, because this time you have an explanation of a fight 
for an Azad Kashmir. It was in Kashmir and Afganistan where Muslims burned 
Temples much before the Babri Masjid issue. Where was the Muslim sympathy 
then? There was no reaction in Pakistan and Bangla Desh. Well it was not their
problem. It was the problem of Hindus. Going on the same lines as yours do you 
suggest that we justify the incident of Babri Masjid as a reaction of Hindus to
happenings in Afganistan and Kashmir. 

The question now is does it ever end? If Muslim community is united on the 
issue of Babri Masjid then they should also have been when Temples were being
demolished in Kashmir and Afganistan and now in Pakistan and Bangla Desh.
I believe this attitude is largely responsible for creation of Hindu extremists.
More so with what has heppened in these countries in past few years has helped
Hindus to come together like never before. I wish had this happened centuries 
before, the Muslim invaders could never have entered India and also these 
problems.

- Rajesh
  
 
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From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: hyderabadi muslims, patriotism, etc.,.
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:50:15 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec20.230607.12382@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi) writes:
>
>I dont understand these socio-economic conditions which would induce in some
>muslims allegiance to pakistan. Infact, you are discussing the issue in 
>isolation with the history of the country.
> 
>I find the following sequence of reasoning in you..
>
>1. The demonstrations that you claim do not occur.

    I think I have explained myself very clearly. Please read my posting. 
    I do agree that some demonstrations do happen.
    (like cheering Pakistani team in a cricket match). 
    But it does not extend to the muslim majority.

>2. Even if they do, they are not representative of the majority
>3. Even if they do, it does not mean anything as far as loyality, disloyality
>   is concerned.
    
    Yes. And even in the cases when this happens, there is much more
    than loyality of Pakistan or disloyality to India.
    I do not believe that incidents like cheering Pakistani
    team in a cricket match imply disloyality to nation called
    India and loyality to a nation called Pakistan.
    For this, I explained the reasons very clearly in previous article.


>4. Even if disloyal, they have a right to be.

    I do not know what you do mean by this. But what I said is - 

    People have a right to fight for thier demands. There is
    nothing disloyal about it.
    (If a majority of them feel that State is not addressing
    thier interests, I support thier struggle for a separate
    state.)

    And as far as Indian muslims are concerned, this question
    never arose so far. That's all.
>


>
>-Narain.


thank you.
-srinivas.


    PS: I do not think that I have anything more to say.
	This would be my last posting about this topic. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistann
From: qzuhair@milton.u.washington.edu (Newton)
Subject: Re: Hindus and Tolerance
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:13:42 GMT

In article <Bz41u5.4HC@ucunix.san.uc.edu> ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

>
>The point I am trying to make is that, we Indians are basically fair
>people, and we cannot be blamed for the murder going on in Pakistan
>and Bangladesh.  The majority of Pakistanis (I am not including the
                      ^^^^^^^^^
>Sindhis), have always hated the Hindus and now they have an excuse
>to take out their hatred.  

  Majority?? Well, you cannot declare it for sure. Should we conclude that
day_to_day events of thefts in, say, India indicate that *majority* of indians
are prone to thefts? Or, should we conclude that the activities of terrorists,
extremists, and troublemakers within a particular communal zone indicate that
*majority* of the members in that community are involved in those activities?
Then, should I conclude that *majority* of hindus are involved in the 
demolition of Babri Mosque? The fact, that I believed, is that people in 
Pakistan and Bangladesh who were involved in the recent brutalities constitute
only a small fraction of the total population and the whole nation cannot and
should not be blamed for that. Thanks and regards,


NEWTON...(will there be a change? I suppose that this conforms to my first
law of motion: a body tends to move in a straight line unless acted upon to do
otherwise)

>Manoj
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:55:25 GMT

Repl to: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh

The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
on 15 devcember.

BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
and injured several thousand others.

QUESTIONS:

1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
not one, but five times a day by very devout people?

2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
a dozen places of worship?.

Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
of worship in rage? 

3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
places of worship?

4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?

5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?

6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?

(It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)

Regards,

bkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.223706.1725@news2.cis.umn.edu>, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu
(Satya Prabhakar) writes:
> (Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
> >prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
> >>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
> >>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
> >>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
> >
> >On the contrary, there have been relief efforts set up,
> >entire issues of magazines devoted to the famine, etc. etc.
> >
> I ought to apologize for the relative ignorance of Islamic efforts.
> 
> But what I see is that it took US to really spearhead the effort.
> I wonder why the very rich Organization for Islamic Nations (OIC)
> did not do what US is doing now. 
> 
> In any case, we shall wait and see to what extent OIC is willing
> to bankroll the US operation in Somalia. Not much is forthcoming
> until now, is it?
> 


I would daresay that the OIC has been or still is sleeping over the
disaster. I've not come across any news report mentioning their 
contribution (though its very difficult to get "news" here in the US 
what with their "news soap-operas" hogging the limelight each night
effectively blocking out any other news reports)

Saudi Arabia finally decided to share its booty with their starving
fellow "Arab and Muslim" neighbour by deciding to send a battalion
of ground troops and some air support. This came only after their
godfather the US came in with Operation Restore-Hope.

In any case these oil-rich "guardians of the faith" have been unable
to look beyond their bellies and help a very humanitarian tragedy
taking place in Somalia.





> Satya Prabhakar 
> --
> ______________________________________________________________
> I hate sig files, particularly ones that refer to themselves!




--Javed.
From: brr@anu.edu.au (Ramesh R Bale)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:34:41 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: brr@anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.45.15


Hello,
	If Sunitha S Patil is reading this article, please respond to my
email address(brr@faceng.anu.edu.au).
					Thanks.
					Ramesh B R
From: satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Dehura Masit Soi (Guru Gobind Singh)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:59:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill)
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  "  Sach ura sabh ko uper sach achar"  (Guru Nanak)
     Truth is higher but still higher is truthful living.  .



	    A Shabad (Bani) of Guru Gobind Singh Ji 


Dehura Masite soie, Puja uh Nivaj uhi., 

There is no difference between Mandhir and Masjid, both are same. 
Puja of Hindues and Nivaj of Muslim are both equil, same. Both Praying
One God . 

Manis sbha ak pa anak ko bhrmau ha,  
all humen are from  One God  .

Devta, Adev, Jush, Gundarve ,  Turk , Hindu,
niara niara Dashen ka , vash ko parbhau  ha. 

Devtas , Rakshish , Jush , Gunderv , Muslim and Hindues , They live
different places, and have different living style and different 
custom(Pehrava). And all these thing effect on people. 

aka Nan, aka Kan, aka deha , aka ban,
Khak , Bad, Atish, uh Aab ko ralau ha.   

They all have same type of eyes, ears , one type of body,  
They are all made of dust,air, fire, water,

Alha abhekh soi , Puran Kuran soi , 
Aka hi sarup sbha aka hi bnau ha,

Purans and Kuran is the same thing, One God is who has made
ebverybody. All made by one God.    


   Above Shabad is sung by Balwinder S. Rangila with meaning.

When Guru Nanak went to Bagdad ( Iraq) after visting Macca , muslim
Pirs and Mulaha asked him who are better or grater Hindues or Muslim.

Here is what Bhai Gurdas who was the uncle of fifth Guru Arjan Dev,
writes.

               ------------- ---   Kaji Mulah akutha hoi,
	      pushen khol Kitab nu, Hindu Vuda ke Muslimoi
	      Baba akha Kajia , SUBH AMLA BAJO DONA ROI.  


   It means Kaji mulah gathered ,opened the Kuran and asked, who is 
   better, Hindues or Mulim. Then BABA NANAk told them, " without
   good AMAl, good KARMa, Good DEEDS , both will cry in the end.
   or in God 's court.    




   Parmjit Singh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:47:25 GMT

In article <BTqyVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
> 
>  The blame is already there, we want the satisfaction of punishment,
>and the best way to punish India is to create the independant state
>of Khalistan.
> 
So, you really don't care much about the people in punjab. you just
want to avenge some perceived harm done to you.

srini 
>
>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 


-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.171037@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU 
(Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>PVNR is now going overboard in his reaction to the Ayodhya blunder.

BJP's failure was in its inability to control the militants and stop them
from destroying the disputed structure.

PVNR was on top, politically, till he had dismissed UP Govt. and banned
RSS and VHP etc. This way he had deflected all the blame on to the
RSS-family of organizations.

But the dismissal of the other three BJP Govts is the mistake he has
made, losing the political advantage he might have accumulated earlier.
But it seems that he is under too much pressure from (Arjun Singh + Communists
+ leftists in Cong) and has to comply with their demands to maintain his
position within Cong. He has no other choice. But Cong in the long run is going
to suffer more than gain from these developments. 

The best person in Congress party whom BJP would have liked to continue
in power is PVNRao. Demolition of the Ayodhya structure weakened Rao's
position within Congress. And Advani/Kalyan etc., by resigning, tried to 
take as much pressure away from PVNRao as they could because if Arjun +
leftists gain strength within Congress then BJP group would face harsher
and more undemocratic kind of politics from them, in addition to the 
return of same old Nehruvian economics which BJP does not like.


(Just Grapevine :
Almost reliable sources say that within non-arrested part of BJP/VHP 
the debate is rife about neutralizing those elements that broke the 
discipline, and 
disrupted party's strategic planning by demolishing the structure. Till
now the finger is pointing in two directions - one, some over enthusiastic
sadhus and two, the Shiv sena group. Sabotage of the plans by Shiv sena 
at the instigation of some outsiders (out of RSS/BJp/VHP etc) is also 
being given serious scrutiny)

>If he wants to dismiss govts. he must also include the govt. of Maharashtra
>where the largest number of death occurred in the aftermath. 
>
>He seems to be playing the old Congress game of manipulating tragedies to
>turn them into their favour.
>
>This action will only worsen things.
>
>--Javed.


---raj
From: kesavans@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Kesavan Shanmugam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info on Printing Sciences
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Dec20.171432.17329
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

Hi there,

   I need  information on the Universities in USA which offer graduate
programs in Printing Sciences and related subjects.I have a friend who has
a diploma in Printing Technology and is currently doing his B.E in 
Printing Technology.

   Which schools here offer such Printing related courses ? How easy or
difficult it is to get admission into such programs ? What about financial
assistance ?

   Please mail me any information you have regarding this.

   My e-mail address: kesavans@cs.uoregon.edu

   Thanks in advance.

-K7___________________
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:30:27 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu


Narasimha Rao has lost his head. No matter how terrible the
respective state Governments were, they were elected by a
Constitutional process, and deserve to be treated with the
deference due to an elected Government so long as they ensure
that the letter of the law was obeyed.

What we are having here is nothing less than Indira Gandhi - 2,
and augurs terribly for the future of democracy in India.

The BJP worked hard at destroying whatever facade of
secularism existed in India. Narasimha Rao, in the fine tradition
of Indira Gandhi and her progeny, is completing the job by 
destroying democracy as well.

My bet is that in the quest for vengeance, the next move will be
to find some way to read into the Constitution some article, line
or word that will ensure that the 119 BJP MP's are thrown out
as well. And then, democracy will truly be dead.

No matter how much we think we have changed, things stay the same.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: Read before criticizing sati
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:52:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.211858.9168@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
So, what's the point? Does it make it better or worse by comparing to
someother madness (whether related or not)?

srini

-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian