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From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Summary: The Origin Of Z-transform
Date: 23 Jul 1992 22:20:07 GMT


It is a long time since I had a course in signals and systems. However
I recall that Z-transform of a function (signal) is infact the coefficient
of the Laurent expansion of the function in a circular domain around the
origin of complex plane. I think that Laurent even considered the case
when the function is holmorphic in a neighbourhood of origin rather
than the whole complex plane. These discoveries happened almost 100
years ago. Would you post whether these are distinct from zadeh's works       
or not.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More support and recognition for monafeghin.
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:47:09 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Jul24.192111.18216@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> hasen@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <24JUL199210294344@utrcv1> ali@utrcv1 (Ali Eslami) writes:
>>worried.? At least most of these people are not on someone's payroll. It's
>>very hard for MKO to understand the true love of all these people for Iran
>>and Iranian people. you speak like a hoer that talks about virginity. What
>>  ...... Junk deleted
>in a later article "Ali Baba" :) writes;
>>Subject: Re: US presidential election and Iranian interests
>>Dear Brad;
>>Let's be fair and not put all the blame on Bush. I feel very bad for Iraqi 
>>  ....stuff deleted........
>>What I'm upset about is we didn't finish the job in Iraq
>                         ^^
>>the first time and get rid of Saddam. Thanks to the Saudi's
>>king and our CIA.
>          ^^^^^^^  
> Mr. "Ali Baba", it is quite clear where your "true love"
>lies. As the saying goes "Kafar Hameh Ra Be Kish Khod
>Pendarad". You have been around "your CIA" too long and
>believe that everyone has to be on somebody's payroll! 
>Shame on you!
>> ALI BABA
>Asghar

Ali Baba , You got caught bad , buddy !!! I suggest you save all your
articles next time and go through them every time you want to accuse 
someone , and make sure there is no duality or " Aberooh Reezy " ...

Ramin
From: towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:33:42 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation

>>>>> On 25 Jul 92 18:10:57 GMT, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) said:

rs> No it is not the time to remain silent. No, JavAbeh ablahAn
rs> KhAmooshi Neest. Yes, we have to fight for justice.

  Baha'u'llah says, "The best-beloved of all things in My sight is
justice."  So you can rest assured that Baha'is are lovers of justice.
But the question then becomes, "how does one establish justice?"

rs> So all you Bahaii's out there, don't refuge to silence and scream
rs> out your opinions.  Forget what Baab said about "not getting
rs> involved".

  Neither the Bab nor Baha'u'llah ever said "don't get involved".
Baha'u'llah prohibited involvement in partisan politics, overthrowing
governments, and other subversive activities.  But the fundamental
social changes  which Baha'is are working towards all over the world
are the most involved you can be in the future of not just Iran, but
the entire planet.

rs> Follow your own logic and instinct and intuition.  Get involved in
rs> your future, your children's future and your land, Iran.

  OK, let's follow logic.  In the past 100 or so years (i.e.q since
Baha'u'llah banned it) when did armed insurrection/revolution help
Iran?  Or, for that matter, any country?  And were the effects of such
movements lasting, or short-lived?

  Based on logic, my own instinct, and intuition, plus plenty of
real-life examples, I can see that the healing message of Baha'u'llah
is the only thing which will shake off the torpor of humanity today.

  I _personally_ (other Baha'is may differ) view the suffering Iran
has endured for the past century to be a direct punishment for the
treatment meted out to Baha'u'llah by its people and government.  I
also believe that to change the world, a lot of blood, sweat and tears
are required -- a large sacrifice.

  The Baha'i comunity of Iran has been this sacrifice.  They have
willingly forfeited their possesions, well-being and even their lives,
so that Iran may one day return to its former days of glory, alongside
the rest of the world.

  How could anyone be *more* involved?  The equality of men and women
is a fact of today's Baha'i community.  The uniting of Jew, Christian,
Muslim, and Zoroastrian is a fact in the Baha'i community.  The coming
together of the richest and poorest members of society is a fact in
the Baha'i community.  The mingling of Azeri, Rashti, Tehrani,
Shirazi, and all other types of Iranians is a fact in the Baha'i
community.  If these facts were true for all of Iran, it would be
freed of its misery.
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Clearpoint.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

The Earth is but One Country, and Mankind its Citizens
		-- The Writings of Baha'u'llah
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Takhti, a man for all times
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:44:46 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

Just to add to andeesheh's posting:

Takhti also became politically active in the late 30`s/early 40's (Iranian
calendar) when Kennedy's election in the States resulted in some relaxation of
political repression in Iran.  Jebhe-ye Malli became active and Takhti was a
member of its ruling body untill it was suppressed again in 1341/42.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is (12)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:27:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.212212.19359@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:

>:-) The Arabic of Prophet Muhammad was unique to Himself as well. People
>laughed at Him and His style of writing. Ironically the Qur'an is today
>the model for the Arabic language.


This is not true at all.  Nobody ever laughed at the Qur'an's grammar, or
language, or style.  What the idolaters laughed at were the concepts
in the Qur'an.  For example, they derided the idea of Resurrection.  


>... Both the Persian and Arabic style used
>in the Writings of The Bab and Baha'u'llah, as well as the English 
>translations of these Tablets by Shoghi Effendi, will become the model 
>for Arabic, Persian and English language. Your assertion is no more valid
>than the contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad.


Based on what I just wrote, the comparison of the Qur'an with Bahai 
scriptures is not correct. 

>Kamran Hakim

Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@ifi.uio.no 
Subject: Re: How the government can help
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:44:17 GMT
Originator: kambizm@gyda.ifi.uio.no


Babak says:

>-- Group I. the handicap people who can not work, should receive an amount that>           could support them completely.

>-- Group II. Low income people whose salary is under certain level.  These
>             people should get an small amount of money to help them a little
>             bit.
>-- Group III. Unemployed people should receive some money which should be less
>              than group II. This money should be very low to make them look 
>              for a job.



Once more (emphasized for Babak) the first thing the government should do 
is to check the population growth.

These proposals may sound good but with the high unemployment Iran has not
the means to pay for such social security luxuries.
What governments can do is a lot. We see how the Menem government in Argentina
or Salinas in Mexico has done to alleviate the problems. The most imprtant thing 
is the political will to clean up in the Mafia and to cut short the corruption rampant
in the country and to facilliate the laws for investment. Already many of the 
bussinesses are monopolized by the Mullah Oligarchy and Bonyads (Babak does
not know much about corruption in today's Iran, much has happened in the last decade
Babak). These
difficulties strangulate the entrepreneurship among the people. 
The infrastructral changes  should be in a way to spare Iran from using the
hard currency on importing purely consumer goods. It means that the light
industry and consumer good production should get high attention. At the same
time education is the most important area to endeavor for. 
The import of the high technology means like computers and PCs which can be
used by individuals for automation and software industry should be eased.
Unemployed should be engaged in positive social, constructional  and
educational activities until they find employment.  Private initiative at
the moment is the only way to create mass employment. But the
infrastructural, credit and lawmaking  policies of the government should create
the environment for such entrepreneurship first. 
And much more ...........
                                           Kambiz
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:20:08 GMT

fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:
>tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             ) writes:

    [...]

>>claims that Dr. Zadeh is the one who applied these to computer sciences
>>and electrical engineering. 
>
>Where would we be without the engineers (tap tap your iron ring folks :-))

On the difference between mathematics and engineering, my
undergraduate advisor used to say:

    "Mathematicians discover what there is,
     Engineers create what there has never been!"

>>                            Vahid
>--df

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: nader@math.chalmers.se (Nader Tajvidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: test
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:05:45 GMT
Distribution: soc.sulture.iranian
Organization: Mathematics Department, Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden


Just another test!
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Summary: Great Idea, What about the cost?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:20:26 GMT


I think your idea of making Iranian T-shirts is really excellent, however
here in Windsor, where everything is more expensive than States, it costed
about $40.  + G.S.T + P.S.T to order our baseball team T-shirts. I would
imagine the only way that you could get a more reasonable price is if lots
of us order to gether to a place in States that takes mail orders. In that
case we should all agree on the designs. However I truly admit that this is
an awesome idea.

                          Best Wishes,

                          Vahid
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrcv1 (Ali Eslami)
Subject: Re: US presidential election and Iranian interests
Organization: UTC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:25:00 GMT

In article <2181@unet.UUCP>, ahmad@frisco.unet.com (Ahmad Esmaeili) writes...
>In article <15JUL199215284956@utrcv1> ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:
>>Dear Ahmad agha;
>>Even though we don't have the best candidates. But I think our best choice is
>>George Bush. I like him for his firmstead christain belief against abortion.
>>I don't like his domestic or foreign policy but I know it's not realy all his
>>fault. Our biggest problem is we have too many liberal democrats & republicans
>>with no moral value. My vote is going for George Bush this year.
>
>
>Dear Ali Baba,
>
>Wasn't Bust at one time a pro-choice advocate?  I am not quite sure
>but I think he switched some time before he became a VP. Hopefully
>someone out there can answer this question. If I am right we may conclude
>that his anti-choice position has nothing to do with his christianity,
>it's rather a political position.
>
>BTW, I wish there was a REAL liberal democrat running this year, I don't
>think Clinton is one.
>
>Ahmad AghA

Dear Ahmad Agha;
You are absolutely right. He was pro-choice and then he changed to pro-life.
I'm not sure if he did that for his political purpose or he realy changed.
I should actually say I vote for him because his campaign is for pro-life
not pro-choice. I can not see myself voting for someone who his campaign or
political position supports butchering innocent babies just to get some
extra vote. I'm sure I don't want my tax money goes for killing these
babies. That's what most of liberal democrats are for.

Sincerely yours;

Internet = ALI@UTRC.UTC.COM

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: haghighi@handy.usc.edu (Manouchehr Haghighi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: This is a test
Date: 24 Jul 1992 12:45:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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From: mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: How the government can help.
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:35:37 GMT
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA

Salam,

From what I have been following in this article, everybody is assuming
that the Iranian government does not know how to run the country just
because it is an Islamic government.  This government has lasted for more 
than 13 years and is still in power wrongly or rightly. Sure there are
problems and corruption, but no matter who is in power it is going to be
the same story. That's just the way it;s been.  when you get to the top,
you get corrupted.

One good thing about us Iranians is that we are all smart. This unfortunately
back fires most of the time, cause we don't listen or agree with other 
people, thinking that why I should listen to that person, I am smarter
than she or he.  I think if you want to make any impact on Iran's economy,
do it over there and don't waist your time here, cause nobody is going
to listen to you. Just because most of us have been educated here, does 
not mean that we know more than what the people in Iran know.

--Mehregan

P.S. Who started this WITH REGARD thing anyways?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Yet another victory for the Iranian Resistance
Keywords: Human Rights
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:54:17 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
[staff deleted]
>1.  They believe that they should be recognized by whom?

>2.  MKO and NLA are NOT the only alternative to the present
>    regime in Iran.  In fact they are NO alternative since they
>    have no grass root in Iran.  They are not even actively present
>    in Iran.  Other alternatives to the present regime DO exist in Iran.

>3.  Campaining where to get recognition from who?

>4.  Obviously this recognition DOES NOT come from the people of Iran
>    since there is no MKO presence there and all activities are centered
>    in the U.S. and Europe.  Therefore this recognition is SOLELY from
>    the same IMPERIALISTIC powers that MKO was originally started to
>    fight with.  THIS IS A DEVIATION. 

>5.  Yes it happens all the time.  Shah was also supported and later
>    installed by the same International bodies that now RECOGNIZE NLA
>    and MKO.  The coup of 1953 was RECOGNIZED by the U.S. and Britain.
>    Most other coups in the world is RECOGNIZED by a foreign power.
>    
>The LEGITIMACY of a GROUP or a GOVERNMENT is not with the RECOGNITION
>of IMPERIAL powers.  It is with the RECOGNITION of its own PEOPLE.
>And NLA has nothing to prove that it has this RECOGNITION. 

>The fact that they are seeking the RECOGNITION of US CONGRESS and
>EUROPEAN community is only because the lack of the RECONITION from the
>PEOPLE OF IRAN.

Hey Ala, why don't you go prepare some "halvaa nazri";
"arbaeen" is near.

Seems like 30 years of making "halvaa nazri" and
distributing it in "Hosseinie" has made you an expert
on "imperialism," "democracy," "Islam," and Dr. Shariati.
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Deja vu or reincarnation of Farzin
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:05:47 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>In article <BrsK5o.803@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:


> @>kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran) writes:
> @
> @>>Farzin writes:
> @>>
> @>>>PS. Deja vu, no? I come back after 8 months to go over the same old stuff.
> @>>
> @>	Dear Farzin,
> @
> @>	Your disappearing and reappearing in SCI looks more like a
> @>	reincarnation than anything.  And speaking of reincarnation,
> @>	here is a story for you.
> @
> @. . . 
> @
> @>Sincerely,
> @
> @>   > 9-o-^-o
> @
> @And Mr. karbasi is reincarnated once more just to 
> @write about Farzin's reincarnation !  :-)
> @
> @Ala

>And they tell me, Ala, that you have been reincarnated recently
      ~~~~~~~~~~~
>and that you disappeared soon after I disappeared!   :-)
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As before, you've been told WRONG!  :-)
I was around long before you were gone.
In fact I still remember your last article before you're gone.
(to your Jap friends off course)
The title of that article was "I'VE GOT PRIDE".  Frankly when I read
the article I thought you are on your way to IRAN.
A few weeks later someone send me an email and let me know where you went.
I was not surprised
I kept posting articles some of which were in your memory.
My disappearance happend long after yours.

>    
> - Farzin
>
Ala

p.s.
The book review that Payman posted (Thanks a lot Payman)
pointed to a very important problem of Iran:  Lack of Humans!
I agree with the writer, Mr Islamnadushan, that money alone cannot
solve our problems.  We need people with the right ideas (not just
technocrats) and unfortunately there are not enough of them back home.
People of Iran can use US a lot.  Not only in the academics but in the
society as a whole.  I think WE can help a lot in the material and social
reconstruction of the country and it is a pitty that Iran is deprived
of its brain cells.  May be Farzin can elaborate why this is the case?
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: People and Ideas (was: Re: Civil War)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:38:02 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <_8nm00a.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

> ==========================  For Hossein B. R. only  =========================
> I am learning from you; I only laugh at the idea and not the people who 
> represent the idea.  Never mind the double standard anyways!
> =============================================================================

People do not represent ideas.  People may represent race, ethnicity, colour
and so on.  These are in-born and unchangeable.  But ideas are changeable.  If
you ridicule a race then you are ridiculing a people.  The same is true of
colour and ethnicity.  But ideas are not in this category.  You may change your
idea or any other acquired features and be the same person, but you may not
change your in-born characteristics, ok?

It is a fallacy to equate anti-nazism or anti-zionism with racism.  The same is
true of any other anti-xyz-ism (including anti-racism!)  Racism is evil because
the one who is born black (say) has no choice but to stay black.  But if I am
born and then _taught_ to believe in a certian ideas I have a choice to
continue with them or change them.  If I decide to continue with these ideas
then I should face the possiblity that some people may find them ridiculus.
Then it is in _my interest_ too to _know_ that these ideas may look ridiculus
to some, so that I may save my own embarrassement by knowing where and to whom
I should express these ideas.  It may be that I donot care to be embararssed,
but then it may be I do.  As a result, it is better for myself to know if that
is the case.

Now, it is not nice to embarrass somebody by ridiculing their ideas.  (That
goes without saying.)  But by doing this, you may actually be doing them a
service.  And what if somebody tries to tell you that people are laughing at
you because of this or that idea you are expressing?  I would say that only the
most die-hard and "kabk-e sar be zir-e barf karde ha" wouldn't appreciate that.
They would rather prefer to be like

	Aan kas ke nadaanad va nadaanad ke nadaanad,
		Dar bahr-e morakkab abad-od-dahr bemaand.

And talking of "double standard".  I am most offended if you meant that I have
been using double standards here.  Please be specific, and if you are accusing
me of it give your "dalil"s.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:38:25 GMT

--
The news is sent to me by Mr. Amir Taghavi:
From: Amir Taghavi <mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'

	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran stopped a passenger train on its border
with Pakistan and prevented it from entering the country because it
carried ``anti-Islamic slogans,'' the official Islamic Republic News
Agency said Monday.
	The incident occurred Saturday, when a passenger train running
between Quetta in Pakistan and the Iranian border city of Zahedan was
stopped at the border and prevented from entering Iran.
	An IRNA dispatch monitored in Athens said Iranian border guards
stopped the train because they found ``anti-Islamic slogans scribbled
inside and outside the wagons.''
	The passengers on the train, many of them pilgrims en route to Shiite
shrines in Iran, were put on buses and allowed to continue their
journeys, the news agency said.
	The decision to stop the train came after several warnings to the
Pakistani authorities to clean up ``anti-Islamic slogans'' found
scribbled on passenger cars entering Iran.
	IRNA said the slogan-writing was the work of Wahabis, an Islamic
fundamentalist Sunni sect backed by Saudi Arabia. Wahabi extremists have
been blamed for several anti-Iranian incidents in Pakistan during the
past few years.
	There was no immediate reaction from Pakistan on Iran's decision to
stop the train, which was on a weekly service revived only a few months
ago following a 13-year suspension after the 1979 revolution that
toppled the late Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi.


--
From: abmg@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Aliasghar Babadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Looking for a Friend
Keywords: Friend
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:16:01 GMT

Hi,
	A friend of mine is looking for Ladan Gharaei graduated from
Sharif University in Tehran. Please send me an email if you have any clue. 
Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian