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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: he can't dance/he can't sing
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:49:18 GMT

stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) raves:
: 
: Well, most of us know the problem of going through life trying our 
: damnedest to avoid Phil Collins, but it's difficult. He's probably
: even in some of the food we eat. So, anyway, I can't stand him any 
: more than anyone else, 

This is a shocker, I know, but some people actually *like* Phil Collins.
Actually, a whole lot of people do, which is why he's so popular. You 
are in a minroity.

: but I've been offended again by radios out of 
: my control, and here he is again, having chosen his latest rip-off 
: victim. He's once again taken a song that I know I've heard before, 
: and I take it this is his latest hit, at least over here in the US. 

Wrong.

This is not his latest hit, it's Genesis's latest hit. There is a 
huge difference, although you probably would never listen long enough
to notice it.

: "I Can't Dance, I Can't Sing" (how appropriate). Whose song is this? 

It's the latest Genesis song. Off their first album in 5 yesrs, We Can't
Dance.

: I know I've heard it by someone who has less money than Phil Collins. 
: Was it Chris Rea?
:                                 -stuart@apollo.hp.com

No, it was written by Tony Banks, Phil Collins, and Mike Rutherford. It
is an original composition. The gist of the song is making fun of blue
jeans commercials (which Stewart probably loves :)), so you may have
seen some blue jeans commercials that it reminds you of. 

Phil Collins has covered very few songs by other artists, and only one of
them has become a hit for him. I can think of: Tomorrow Never Knows,
by the Beatles, You Can't Hurry Love, by some Mowtown group (who didn't 
write the song either :)), One Stephen Bishop song for a movie, and Groovy
Kind of Love, which was the hit. There may be a couple others.

Genesis have never covered any material by others except for the medley
of 60's songs in the middle of Turn it On Again from the past few
tours.

Scott
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Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:14331 alt.rock-n-roll:9975
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 22:59:37 CDT
From: <U14540@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: THE TEN MOST OVERRATED ROCK BANDS EVER(GNR)

In article <1992Apr11.200358.12030@nic.unh.edu>, msr@kepler.unh.edu (Mathew S
Reno) says:
>
>What are you talking about? What did he say that makes you think he listens
>to Stryper? What makes you think he's a geek? And, who are you? If your going
>to try to flame someone, at least have the common  courtesy to leave your
>name. This is the thing about anonymous flamers, they think they are winning
>by not leaving their names, but they're just plain stupid.

Damn! You figured me out. I thoght if I posted something without putting my
name I would win. God,I guess your just too smart for me. Man, I hate losing.
And you're right I am stupid compared to you who obviously has an IQ of 356.

>This guy/gal/it? is a jerk and his idiotic posting has nothing to do with
>the original post. Personally, I despise GNR for their musical ignorance
>and lack of imagination. But if I had posted a whole article about this
>subject and someone posted a response that just said, "No they don't you
>so and so," and just insult me for what I think without stating why they
>liked/disliked the group, I would be extremely offended. The point of a
>debate is to debate, not to insult. So, if you have nothing constructive
>to add, don't post garbage (like the last post).

Mr. matt, this isn't a debate class. It's netnews where people are free to
voice their opinions. My opinion was that GNR is a good group. Really,
if you want to debate then go find yourself a politician. Netnews sure isn't
the place to do it because you have forever to respond. The way you put down
GNR is very constructive, you hypocrite.And besides, what is the point of your
post? You're telling me what I have to say is garbage and what you have to say
is meaningful? I don't think so, plebian.

                                          Wayne
                          Gee, I'm sorry I don't have a signature like Mr matt.
                          I guess I don't spend enough time on the computer.
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: storeyr@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: Def Lep picks new guitar, can he survive?
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:47:45 EDT


New Def Leppard Guitarist

     For those who don't already know, the new Def Leppard guitarist should be
Vivian Campbell if one can trust the latest issue of Rolling Stone.  That
should be a good move considering Vivian's strong technicque (for a rocker),
singing ability, and songwriting (check out his tunes on the Riverdogs project
and his one song from the Shadow King album).  Time will tell if the partner-
ship lasts and if the others let him in on the songwriting process, but the
new input should do some good.

Ross Storey, who really didn't mean to start a huge Yes/Genesis flame war,
. . . sorry

StoreyR@Venus.YCC.Yale.edu



should

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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Re: THE TEN MOST OVERRATED ROCK BANDS EVER(GNR)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:37:19 GMT

In article <92101.142415U14540@uicvm.uic.edu> <U14540@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>   [re: guns n roses]
>>  They're just swearing for the sake of swearing, not because it has any
>>meaning to the music (whatever music there is, if any). They just like to be
>>controversial.
>>
> And you're just criticizing for the sake of criticizing. Besides why should
>people listen to some geek who listens to Stryper.

   ???????????????????????

>>  I'm talking about listening to GOOD guitar players like Steve Howe, John
>>McLaughlin, or Robert Fripp. Not hackers like Slash who don't even know which
>>end of the instrument to blow into.
>
>I know you know which end of a dick to blow into.

    I wish I knew where you pulled that comment out of!

>   [stuff deleted]
>>  That's funny, I like groups that write their own songs, just as long as they
>>know what the hell they're doing.
>>
>Boy, you sure don't know sarcasm when you hear it. You're really a smart guy.

>   [stuff deleted]
>>  Thanks for the compliment.
>>
>  You'll take whatever you can get.

   Boy, I just bring out the worst in people, don't I? You see, this is why I
love getting into arguments with some people in this newsgroup-- I get such
brilliant responses!

   (By the way, the above statement obviously doesn't apply to people in this
newsgroup who actually have something to say...unlike my enemy, quoted above.)
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From: ytsanyd@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: WANTED: Last Starfighter Soundtrack
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:58:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


I greatly desire a copy of the soundtrack to The Last Starfighter on compact
disc.  All I know is that the compositions were written by Craig Safan.
Thanx.
ytsanyd@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: he can't dance/he can't sing
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:07:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Phil collins is an excellent drummer, and has a very good voice.
Listen to "Genesis" or "Duke" for good examples.  As for a drummer,
he's great there as well - again listen to some older works like
"Lamb..." 

Unfortunately, his fame has gone to his head.  He is now following in
the footsteps of Elvis - writing whatever the screaming teeny-boppers
want instead of good music.  The next step is where Elvis wound up -
writing any old thing because the fan's will buy it no matter what it
sounds like.  I call this (appropriately enough) Elvis syndrome.

It's a bottomless spiral.  It'll end when either: He dies (and becomes
immprtal, like Elvis), or people finally wise up (then he does a big
blowout tour to get more fans, goes broke from it and dies hungry).

Just one man's (and former fan's) opinion.
-- 
David Charlap                   Q:"Where do these stairs go?"
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: rays@ico.isc.com (Ray Snead)
Subject: Re: Little Feat
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:15:24 GMT

jhfrome writes:
>	I just got Little Feat's REPRESENTING THE MAMBO and am enjoying it
> very much. Since they have about 1000 albums out, can anyone please recommend
> other albums of theirs to me, comparing them in style and quality to MAMBO 
> so I have a reference point? Thanks a lot.

This very question comes up remarkably frequently. In short, all real Little
Feat albums (with Lowell George) are orders of magnitude better that anything
post-George. 

_Representing the Mambo_ is a product of the Little Feat reunion band, which
features the unlikely Craig Fuller (ex Pure Prarie League; "Amie") on vocals.
Pleasant enough pop, but do yourself a favor and check out:

	Dixie Chicken
	Sailin Shoes
	Feats Don't Fail Me Now

Not to mention the incomparable live album.


	Ray Snead
	Boulder, Colorado
From: robertog@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Swap U2 tickets Sat for Fri
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:32:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

We are interested in trading our Saturday April 18 U2 Oakland tickets for
 your Friday Sacramento ones.  Please call (510)215-2132.  Thanks.
From: euaphe@eua.ericsson.se (Peter Henriksson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: U2 EUROPEAN TOUR
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:40:18 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

This list was posted to alt.rock-n-roll by Karen Sherlock, but since there's
been quite a few requests for the European dates on r.m.m I'll post it here
as well.

See you at the concert. Peter.


Here are the tour dates. This is Europe -The Revenge.

N.B. * Denotes scheduled concerts still to be confirmed. Dates, Cities, &
     Venues are subject to change.

DATE            COUNTRY         CITY            VENUE
06.05.92        France          Paris           Bercy
07.05.92          "               "               "
09.05.92        Holland         Gent            Flanders Expo
11.05.92        France          Dijon           Parc Expo
12.05.92*       Switzerland     Zurich/Lausan   atin./Hallen
14.05.92        Spain           San Sebastian   Anoeta
16.05.92          "             Barcelona       St Jordi
18.05.92          "                 "           "    "
20.05.92        Italy           Milan           Forum
21.05.92          "               "               "
24.05.92*       Austria         Vienna          Danube
25.05.92        Germany         Munich          Olympiahalle
27.05.92*          "            Berlin          Olympic Stad.
29.05.92           "            Frankfurt       Festhall
31.05.92        England         London          Earls Court
01.06.92        England         Birmingham      NEC
04.06.92*       Italy           Turin           Stadium
06.06.92*       France          Lyon            Garnier
10.06.92        Sweden          Stockholm       The Globe
11.06.92           "                "             "
13.06.92        Germany         Kiel            Ostseehalle
15.06.92        Holland         Rotterdam       Ahoy
17.06.92        England         Sheffield       Arena
18.06.92        Scotland        Glasgow         Secc

All information is courtesy of a Propaganda ticket order form.
Additional info from me is that the box offices do not have any confirmation
yet so keep pestering them.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: THE TEN MOST OVERRATED ROCK BANDS EVER
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:07:04 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <13336@xenna.Xylogics.COM> reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) writes:
 
|I'd rather see Jethro Tull win a Grammy than Metallica anyday.

Do you have an objective reason for believing this or is this just
and emotional preference?  I would prefer that the group that creates
the best music win the grammy.

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| John Fereira                Al Bundy for President          
| johnf@auspex.com         "He's as good as the next guy"                     |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Re: need help with Dead Kennedys..
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:21:20 GMT


>In article <1992Apr1.140225.3641@gw.wmich.edu> 586smith@gw.wmich.edu  
>writes:
>>   Hello I am looking for some info on the Dead Kennedys. I like Jello
>> Biafra's work like on LARD and Jello w/DOA. Is the Dead Kennedys stuff
>> like this? What are some opinions on their best album? and help
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Eric Smith
>
>Yhis is only my opinion, but I think that the best Dead Kennedy's album is  
>probably  "Give me convenience, or give me death"

that is if you want a good cross reference of the whole "dead kennedys thing"
78-86 ...  Dead kennedys (early DK atleast) I find are much more interesting
than lard... I got Lard when it first came out (the power of) and listen
to it... I didn't really think it was great...I thought jello could do better
than that... on the other hand, jello as spoken word man is impressive and
inpiring!  If you get a chance to hear a leture from him, GO!  I was into
(and I will say still am!) dead kennedys around 84+ little skater guy (and
I still skateboard..heh)  Album Recommendations:

Give me convenience...etc   1987  -  comp of DK life.
Fresh fruit...           79/1980  -  First lp includes B. slesinger and
			             Carlos
Plastic surgery....         1982  -  *second* Lp after the IGWT ep.

all there stuff is good, even bed time....although I think they could
have approached it differenlty



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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: rshapiro@arris.com (Richard Shapiro)
Subject: Peel on BBC World Service
Organization: ARRIS Pharmaceutical, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:38:19 GMT

Since a number of people have asked, here are times in gmt and
frequencies to N America for Peel's world service show. The second two
are just repeats of the first one; the show runs 30 minutes.

Anyway, here are the times in gmt, and the frequencies aimed at N
America or the Caribbean:

Saturday, 1401: 17840 11820 9740 9515 6195
Tuesday   0330: 12095 5975
Thursday  0830: <none to N America>

Remember to try all the frequencies. You never know which one will be
best on any given day. Also remember that we're on daylight savings
time now! The formula I gave before was gmt-5 = Eastern Standard Time.
But we're now on DAYLIGHT Time, not standard time. So add an hour:
gmt-4 = Eastern Daylight Time.

rs
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: pearson_r@maths.su.oz.au (Robert Pearson)
Subject: CHART : Australian Top 20 Singles - Week Ending 12 April 1992
Reply-To: pearson_r@maths.su.oz.au (Robert Pearson)
Organization: Mathematics, University of Sydney
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:38:24 GMT

        Australian Top 20 Singles - Week Ending 12 April 1992
as compiled by ARIA ( The Australian Record Industry Association Ltd.)
                (* denotes bullet performer)
              (AUS denotes Australian performer)
              (NZ denotes New Zealand performer)               
                  (p denotes platinum status)
                    (g denotes gold status)

   TW   LW   TI      Title/Artist
   --   --   --      ------------
    1    1    5      Marvellous - The Twelfth Man (AUS)         
*   2    6    7      Get Ready For This - 2 Unlimited    
*   3   11    6      Under The Bridge - Red Hot Chili Peppers      
*   4   10    3      Way Out West - James Blundell and James Reyne (AUS)   
    5    3    9      Dizzy - Vic Reeves and the Wonder Stuff     
    6    2   18      Saltwater - Julian Lennon (p)    
    7    7    2      Let's Get Rocked - Def Leppard    
    8    4    3      One - U2    
    9    5    2      High - The Cure      
   10   13    4      Not A Day Goes By - Rick Price (AUS)  
*  11   20    3      Stay - Shakespear's Sister
   12    9   10      I Can't Dance - Genesis          
*  13   18    7      Alive - Pearl Jam    
   14   17    6      Thought I'd Died And Gone To Heaven - Bryan Adams     
   15   15    7      I Think I Love You - Voice Of The Beehive      
   16    8   10      Tip Of My Tongue - Diesel (AUS)            
   17   12   10      Remember The Time - Michael Jackson     
   18   21    4      Human Touch - Bruce Springsteen     
   19   16   20      Love You Right - Euphoria (g)               
*  20   32    2      To Be With You - Mr. Big

Big Movers
--- ------                                       
*  23   50    2      Goodnight Girl - Wet Wet Wet
*  24   36    4      You Showed Me - Salt-n-Pepa
*  30   NEW          Be My Baby - Teen Queens
*  32   45    2      Why - Annie Lennox
   37   44    8      Stars - Simply Red
*  40   NEW          Give Me Just A Little More Time - Kylie Minogue (AUS)
   41   48    3      Dream Alone (EP) - Killing Time
*  44   NEW          I Love Your Smile - Shanice

Predictions
-----------        
                     James Brown Is Dead - L.A. Style
                     Church Of Your Heart - Roxette
                     Make It Happen - Mariah Carey
                     Faith (In The Power Of Love) - Rozalla
                     The Way You Do The Things You Do - UB40


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School of Mathematics and Statistics,           
Uni of Sydney N.S.W. 2006,                               
Australia
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Re: Genesis more creative than Yes??!!!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:20:51 GMT

In article <RJC.92Apr11005001@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>
>	Just to stop anyone getting the wrong impression, I don't see
>anything wrong with Yes being in it for the money, I have to work for
>a living too. I just find the suggestion that they are somehow `above'
>working for money a little silly.

    I never meant to suggest they were `above' working for money. Obviously,
money is important to people. That doesn't mean that's the only reason they're
making music, though. On MTV's Yes Rockumentary Bruford simply stated that the
money must soften tensions between group members, but they're still a very
creative band. Bruford also said that he sees Yes as one of the only `rock'
bands he could be in, allowing himself sufficient room to BE creative. 
 
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From: a3@tintin.rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: CHART: European Top 20
Summary: Has Bruce still got what it takes?
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:53:58 GMT
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Originator: a3@tintin.rivm.nl

This is the MTV European top 20 of 11 April 1992.

 1  1 Human touch			Bruce Springsteen
 2  9 America: What time is love?	The KLF
 3  3 To be with you			Mr. Big
 4  7 Cold day in hell			Gary Moore
 5  2 I can't dance			Genesis
 6 10 Stay				Shakespears Sister
 7  4 Don't talk, just kiss		Right Said Fred (with Jocelyn Brown)
 8 12 Come as you are			Nirvana
 9  5 For your babies			Simply Red
10 -- High				The Cure  [The week's highest entry]
11  6 Twilight zone			2 Unlimited
12 -- Why				Annie Lennox
13  8 Are you ready to fly		Rozalla
14 17 Das Boot				U96
15 13 Don't let the sun go down on me	George Michael and Elton John
16 -- Under the bridge			Red Hot Chili Peppers
17 11 Remember the time			Michael Jackson
18 19 I wonder why			Curtis Stigers
19 15 Church of your heart		Roxette
20 14 I love your smile			Shanice

[Hot in Sverige (Sweden): "Let's get rocked" -- Def Leppard]
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: thomasl@mtl.mit.edu (Thomas J Lohman)
Subject: Re: He can't dance/he CAN sing
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:25:20 GMT

In article <RAIVIO.92Apr7150403@exterminator.hut.FI> raivio@niksula.hut.fi (Perttu Raivio) writes:
>In article <tichbord.702571664@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> tichbord@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Damian Tichborne) writes:
>>
>> By the way, he's [P.Collins] just bought a $5 million mansion
>> in the States...
>
>	Oh, and this is the guy who had the cute little video in which
>he cried over the homeless people of America...

Please, let's take all politico-idealogical debates to alt.politics.
Just because someone is monetarily successful and at the same time
seen as being socially liberal (Sting comes to mind right away) doesn't
mean they should give away all their monetary gains to say hmmmm 
the United Way.

Continued in alt.politics....


--tom


Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.music.lyrics
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:49:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

so what if you don't have FTP? dave will _mail_ them to you if you ask...


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