HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:04:38 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1jkj2vINNldb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
 
|Note that while Jim is disguised as a nerdy, fat, geekboy, he is allowed to 
|walk freely among the group. But in our next shot, Jim is shown as someone
|WITH a life, and it can be seen that Jim narrowly escaped the clutches of 
|the dreaded Ba.Single community. 
|
|It is believed that one must stay clear of this group, or they may be pulled
|into the clutches and forced to live a life of poor cutdowns and useless 
|flames to make themselves THINK they have a life.

A few other people have responded to Daniel K. Holmes, with perhaps a bit
more eloquence, but I'd like to add my thoughts on these "beliefs".

Fuck Off, Holmes.  

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Howdy, everyone. I'm new here.
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:30:17 GMT

In article 12442@netcom.com, dank@netcom.com (Dan King) writes:
>
>Anyway, I read a few of the back messages and saw that you all have
>get-togethers and stuff with at least some frequency and I was wondering
>what one had to do to be welcome at one of these. I guess I'm also curious
>about when and where the next one is scheduled.

Nothing currently on the books, but something will come up.

>
>Also, since I'm already posting something, I thought I'd ask if anyone has
>any suggestions for a good microbrewery in the South Bay. Somewhere in
>Santa Clara would be ideal.

There are several that I know of:
	Tied House, Mountain View and San Jose
	Gordon Biersch, Palo Alto and San Jose
	Winchester Brewery, San Jose

>
>And if anyone feels like dropping a semi-lonely new resident a "hello"
>message, I sure wouldn't mind... :)

Welcome to the group.


---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: hjb@netcom.com (H. J. Bae)
Subject: who is tina martin/ pubs
Organization: Peaceful Star Project -- Oakland, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:11:40 GMT


count this: one more vote for desiree champagne == tina martin.

re: pubs, in east bay, check out:
bison, triple rock in berkeley,
pacific coast, emery pub in oakland.
also, real hardcore bars: *alley cat* in oakland, albatross in
berkeley
From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: This is great!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:20:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


You know what is so laughable? I come back and look over this newsgroup,
and I see the same thing. Some poor newbie that thinks because of the name
of this newsgroup, that he MAY ACTUALLY post something here. Sure enough,
each time I see the same pitiful useless names pouncing on them for having
the GALL to post to THEIR newsgroup! Face it guys. This still isn't Ba.Singles
it's It's.our.newsgroup.and.you.stay.the.hell.out.or.we'll.flame.the.shit.out.
of.you. 
It's funny because Otis was retired because Charlene, I think the name was, 
finally brought some kind of order to this useless slimy group. But how long
did that last? 4 months? And I spend 3 days on here trying to show the idiot
factor among "the group" (which I think I saw every name except Oleg and 
Monica), and suddenly, I have no life and spend all my time posting. Folks,
you jerks are flaming innocent ppl DAILY! And the wonderful irony of it is,
you think ppl look up to you for your ability to be witty while making fun
of anyone who is not "part of your group". NOW let's talk about prejudice.
How hard is it to accept others views without saying that they should be
dragged through town square and drawn and quartered? I want to see this great
book that shows that you are all-knowing.

Oh, John Wincn, thanks for not letting me down. I knew I could count on you
when measuring that idiot factor. You took it up at least 2 notches. Well,
I may be gone. Depends on those "pearls of wisdom" as I remember someone
once calling them. 

Note to a newbie: Don't let these stupid fucks ruin this place for you. Just
   learn how to make a kill file. I'm sure that by now you know every name
   to add. I have brought the whole group (lest oleg and monica) into the 
   light for you.

Dan "Yes, I am not single" Holmes 
-- 
Daniel K. Holmes            | "You can still smell the roses when you're
cd975@cleveland.freenet.edu | running with them in your hand. Memories are
Holmes@vaxt.llnl.gov        | the true measure of life. Make all you can."
                            | --Garth Brooks
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: grismore@adobe.com (Doug Grismore)
Subject: Re: Newbie Testing (was Re: Thanks for the boink, Bob!)
Followup-To: ba.singles
Organization: Adobe Systems
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:12:07 GMT

In article <1k716j$dd8@agate.berkeley.edu>, monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Mara Monaghan) wrote:
> 
> >In article <grismore-250193093956@macb042.mv.us.adobe.com>, grismore@adobe.com (Doug Grismore) writes:
> > 
> > >In article <1jn2fq$jln@agate.berkeley.edu>, monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu
> > >(Mara Monaghan) wrote:
> > > Now, being able to write a post so that
> > > it can't be quoted out of context *is* a
> > > skill that I have to work on. :-).
> > 
> > Any other skills you'd like to ... hone?
> 
> Why?
> Have you gotten tired of grinding your own axe? ;-)

So what's your point?   ;-)

> 
> > The above is just an example of the many ways even the safest
> > of posts can be taken out of context.  The easiest way to avoid
> > it is: don't post.
> 
> Hey! Professor Grismore!
> I know the next answer! The above statement
> is an example of someone posting a reply
> before reading the *entire* thread. He's
> merely restating the advice given by 
> a net.reader on Jan 22. He has also missed
> the newbie's reply to the posted advice.

But reading the entire thread would be too much work...

>  
> 
> > The easiest way to *deal* with it is to laugh.
> >- Doug --- grismore@adobe.com
> 
> Oh- Definitely sound advice :-)
> -Mara

Good.  I'd thought I'd lost something...

--- grismore@adobe.com --- original thoughts, not my employer's --- 
--- "are we all out of Powdered Toast (TM) again, Stimpy? - Ren ---
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Danny tries to be sneaky (was Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!)
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>Oleg my buddy came in Sixth with 11. Of course all these were "look how
> smart and profound I can be" one-liners. But none the less, true to form

I can't help it, Danny-boy.  I am much smarter and more profound 
than you are.  Just accept your inferiority and learn to live with it,
you will be much happier. 

>And mary, Yes, I am smug.

... and stupid.

To fuck with you, Holmes.  Every time I clear out my KILL file, you crawl
back from whatever slimy rock you go hiding under and shit all over the 
group.  What's it this time?  The laser printer broke so you have a break 
from counting pages?
-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
From: mwoo@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Howdy, everyone. I'm new here.
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:58:30 GMT
Reply-To: mwoo@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1k9jsqINNkl9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>Daniel Kyle Holmes
>Born 22 June, 1962 Pasadena, Texas
>Moved to California from Texas 27 October, 1985
>
I want more "vital" statistics.

Margaret
From: tim@sybase.com (Tim Wood)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Keywords: advise,men,how to find
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:21:32 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1993Jan15.182433.24736@fico.uucp> ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley) writes:
>In article <martin.726991444@kong> martin@kong.mcco.com (Tina Martin) writes:
>>Where do all the handsome, nonnurdish men in the bay area live and
>>hang out?  
>>I would like to find out where the populars hangouts are in the
>>area.  I like dancing, drinking and socializing with people that know
>>more about life than physics jokes and work.
>
>At Sams Anchor Cafe in Tiburon (that's in Marin).  They are handsome, rich,
>funny, intellegent (mostly Pac 10 schools or Ivy League), and definatley
>worth the drive.  They are a bit on the snobby side, so dress appropraitley.
>
>Adryenn

Not only that, but it's great if you are into '80's nostalgia.  There
are enough yuppies there to fill all the BMWs in major area showrooms.
:)  The look (actually pretty casual--wear your best wrinkled ESPRIT
tee and college gym shorts), the attitude (I got mine, whachoo got?),
the culture (posing or pop), the credentials (what color is *your*
Amex?)--it's all there!  Escape the dreary egalitarianism of the '90s.
Check out Sam's!  (*)
Helpfully,
-Tim

(*) Automobiles lacking leather interior must park at the *back* of the lot.


--
Tim Wood / Sybase, Inc. / 1650 65th St. / Emeryville, CA / 94608  510-596-3500
WORK:tim@sybase.com     {sun,pyramid,pacbell,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!tim
HOME:axolotl!tim@os.com      {{sun,uunet}!hoptoad,decwrl!{noe,os}}!axolotl!tim
Dis claim er dat claim, what's da difference?  I'm da one doin da talkin' hea.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Stupid Studs (was Re: Advise needed)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:44:54 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan24.221232.14309@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
|In article <1993Jan23.035913.28005@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) 
|publicly strokes himself wit:
|
|>I said about men at half mast...
|>>	Hmmm.  Must be over 35 then...
|>
|>HEY!  HEY!! HEY!!!     Exception!!!!!!!!  I take exception!!!!!
|
|	Jesus, Bob!  Don't scream at me.  I'm having a nicotine fit.
|And you most certainly are an exception -- to what, I've yet to figure out.
|(yea, it's poor, sue me...)
|
|>You're pushin' 40, Des.  What happens to you?  Rusty or Dusty?
|
|	I'm not pushing 40; I just push those over 40.  Big difference
|there Bob. 
Correction, Des.  You're pushing those over 35.

| Neither rusty or dusty; more like muddy and hobbled.
 
Does that have anything to do with that hike last weekend?

-- 
-john
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Thanks for the boink, Bob!
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:20:46 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1jn2fq$jln@agate.berkeley.edu> monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Mara Monaghan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.030748.19873@netcom.com>, bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1jkvo2$sif@agate.berkeley.edu> monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Mara Monaghan) writes:
|> >
|> >were seated at a table, Jenny and I
|> >were surrounded by a group of smiling,
|> >interesting Boinkers who held us
|> 
|> Glad you remembered that 'B' up there.
|
|Hey Bob! I might be another new kid on
|the block, but at least I know *better*
|than to post something with typos in it! 
|
|Now, being able to write a post so that
|it can't be quoted out of context *is* a
|skill that I have to work on. :-). 
 
Just so you know, Mara.  Nothing's safe.  Someone will find a way to 
quote anything out of context and derive new meaning.
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: This is great!
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>You know what is so laughable? 

Let me guess: you are still as much of a dimwit as you were the last time
you showed up to flood this newsgroup with your feeble attempts to compose
something witty?

>This still isn't Ba.Singles
>it's It's.our.newsgroup.and.you.stay.the.hell.out.or.we'll.flame.the.shit.out.
>of.you. 

And you, Danny-boy, will do your best to make this newsgroup an even stinkier
sewer than it already is with your own malodorous turds?
-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Not Again
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:31:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan24.084235.5218@oracle.us.oracle.com> akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:
>
>DON'T YOU KNOW ACTING LIKE AN ARROGANT ASSHOLE ATTRACTS MORE FLAMERS?
>Oh, I forgot.  You ENJOY being baited and fucked with.  WHY THE FUCK
>DON'T YOU TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS?
>
>I don't know why I bother trying to explain.  God knows it isn't for
>the gratitude.  THIS IS NOT MY JOB.

Yes.  It is your job.  You were elected at the last boink.
You were elected ba.singles.explainer.
Get to work.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Anderson/Miller (Guitar Champs) House-Concert/Potluck, Oakland/Sun. aftern.
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:47:12 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.040538.24280@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) writes:
>jburrill@frame.com (Jim N Burrill) writes:
|>
|>National Guitar Fingerpicking Champions Muriel Anderson (on tour) and Joe
|> Miller will be performing in a house-concert this Sunday afternoon in Oakland,
|> Calif.  (It's the perfect setting for this music.)  There will be a potluck
|> before the show.
|
|HEY JIM!  Don't you know that ba.singles is for ...   is for ...  is for ...
|
|*** wait a minute ***
|
|This is *exactly* what it's for!!!    Yay!
|Posting about stuff that locals might be interested in doing.  Not me,
|personally, since I already have plans for Sunday, but Jim:  _thanks_

As long as someone else is doing it I might as well toss something into
the fire.  Cheryl Wheeler is making a rare west coast appearance at
Freight and Salvage in Berkeley.  I've never heard her but she has been
getting *rave* reviews in rec.music.folk from everyone that has seen her.
She'll be playing on March 3rd.  I'm thinking about going.  Perhaps other
ba.singles that like a little folk might want to go too?  I don't know
about the rest of you but I haven't had a good folk in a long time.

-- 
-john
From: hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: ba.flames
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:10:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.pa.dec.com

children, children, children.  it lookas as if a ba.flames newsgroup
needs to be started.  any takers?

Alan-

back into the shadows....
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (dmc)
Subject: Re: What to do about Dan Holmes?
Summary: Fucking gateways...
Organization: TSAMC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:16:11 GMT

In article <1k46hrINNavi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:

[bullshit deleted for sanity...]

>You can say whatever you want about me publicly, but I wouldn't suggest
>unsolicited e-mail attacks.

	Dannyboy do you practice what you preach as well?  Now you
wouldn't be guilty of sending email attacks to people and then setting
up filters that reject replies, now would you?  Or you wouldn't be
guilty of innudating mail files with useless garbage, now would you?

	No, I forget -- you're just too nice, too sweet and involved
with your life to play those games...

	You fucking hypocrite....


Desiree
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!
Keywords: the next-to last word of the text body is _not_ a typo
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:46:14 GMT
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1jnes2$p2o@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:

>I've been to Cleveland recently.  It's a nice city in many ways; it has a
>very good art museum.  The river hasn't caught on fire for *years* now
>:-).  They don't get it about food yet (they eat that bland midwestern
>stuff), but overall they're fairly nice folks.  I'd even say that
>Cleveland is a nice place to visit, assuming that you avoid the winter so
>you won't be buried in snow.  It's not fair to blame them for any random
>poster from freenet.

It's not a bad place, although I *did* almost sweat to death when I was there
last summer.  Whew!  That place sure is *humid*!  But I did enjoy hiking
the "Emerald Necklace".

>Desiree "testosterone-filled"?  A quite amusing image ... a difficult one
>to correct without qualifying for lots of suck-up points, I guess.

Well, I'll spring to Des' defense, because there's no way in *hell* that *I*
could be accused of being biased in her favor.  I don't think *anyone* who has
met Des has ever had a doubt of her womanhood - and no, she doesn't have hair
growing out of every orifice, which is what she would have if she were
"testosterone-filled".

I'll bet Danny had to look up "testosterone" in the dictionary to find out
how to spell it.  I can't seem to summon a whole lot of respect for someone who
abbreviates "people" as "ppl" - marks one as a no-life BBSer of the POPnet
variety.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: steveh@cnoc.corp.sgi.com (Stephen C. Hill)
Subject: Volksmarching
Reply-To: steveh@cnoc.corp.sgi.com (Stephen C. Hill)
Organization: SGI/BSD
Distribution: worldba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:11:05 GMT


There was an active volksmarching (a sport that originated in Germany,
consisting of taking measured walks just for the enjoyment of the walk,
not as a competition.  It also had (in Germany, a nice component of
stopping by the various bierstuben to quench a thirst.) group in the Bay
Area.  I have lost my contact with it, and would like to reconnect.  Can
anyone give me a phone number or address to get in touch with the organization?

Steve

-- 
Stephen C. Hill, CDP
{ames,decwrl}!sgi!steveh  or  steveh@corp.sgi.com
Integration Products Group
Silicon Graphics, Inc., Stop 9U-960
2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94039, (415) 390-3230         Fax (415) 903-1908

From my last fortune cookie: "You will be a dragon of creative fire 
                              this week.  Watch your aim."
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: marv@netcom.com (Marvin Raab)
Subject: Re: Danny tries to be sneaky (was Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!)
Organization: user of Netcom Public Access Unix, SF Bay Area
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:39:44 GMT

In article <1jpko5INNhd3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>
>Oh, and Marvin had 6 I think. Marvin and Bob Becker were not tabulated because
>I think they are both entertaining and TRY to keep ba.singles the way it is
>supposed to be. Information about the bay area for singles.


  hey, Bob! We're liked and appreciated! (well, it's by Dan but, hey,
an ego stroke is an ego stroke, right?)



                   -marvin


-- 
Marvin Raab                                  
marv@netcom.com                              Mountain View, CA 94040
apple.com!netcom.com!marv                    415-961-6501 (h)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: marv@netcom.com (Marvin Raab)
Subject: Re: Howdy, everyone. I'm new here.
Organization: user of Netcom Public Access Unix, SF Bay Area
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:30:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.074722.18466@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) writes:
>Something like: 
>	Hey, everybody, I'm new here, and I found an interesting
>	microbrewery at ____, where I'm planning to be on the
>	night of ____ from about ___ until the crowd thins.  
>	If you think you can make it, please send me a reply,
>	so I can ask for enough seats at the table.
>
>That's really all it takes - no approval process, no comittees, just
>initiative.


   That's ALL it takes?? Bob, a lot more goes into planning an event
than just posting a date and time...

  Also, regarding the rest of your postng: Everyone is welcome to 
attend public events. But, like any other social situation, only certain
types of personalities fit in. The range of "certain personalities"
is huge but, I doubt that someone like TIna would feel comfortable
after the first gathering or two. She'd probably feel out of place 
and so would those at the boink. Of course, what naturally happens is 
that the 'outsider' may find someone to talk to, but realistically, not
too likely.

There are many people in ba.singles with whom I get along and
really enjoy seeing and talking with. There are also many people in ba.singles
with whom I don't get along. I don't like them and they don't like me.
If a boink was thrown and, by chance, only these people and I showed up,
I'd leave after 15 minutes...

Two good stories: years ago, I had an ongoing flamefight with a guy 
from New Jersey (while I was in DC). It was as bitter as you some of
what transpires in ba.singles. Finally, we met at a boink in NJ (the one
thrown by the Slime Sisters right before their leader emigrated to CA).
Anyway, he and I actually became friends and have socialized often since then.
Story number 2: Another person and I had similar flame fights. We met in 
person and found each other tolerable but no special fondness between us. 
We now say 'hello' to each other and that's about it when meeting at events.

A boink is like any other social gathering with the added feature that you've
communicated before. What will happen is up to the personalities
involved. As far as I know, no serious arguments or fighting have ever
occured at an event. But, I assure you: I ALWAYS consider that such an
altercation COULD break out whenever I plan an event.


                -marvin


-- 
Marvin Raab                                  
marv@netcom.com                              Mountain View, CA 94040
apple.com!netcom.com!marv                    415-961-6501 (h)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn)
Subject: Re: Hi BOB! 
Organization: T.S.A.M.C.  
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:06:48 GMT

In article <1jn5t2INNe6v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>
>It doesn't matter if anyone posts in support of me. If I can get a laugh
>out of someone as I make fun of you and the rest of your politically 
>correct, flame on the drop of a hat group, it is time well spent.

Yes, and people at Agnews State Hospital are said to spend a lot of time 
drooling and staring off into space, too.  That is not a mark of intelligence,
danny-boy.  Time has not improved your cognitive ability, and no one has missed you.  
--
J. M. Wincn                           jmw@angelo.amd.com (408) YUP-BEER 
I discriminate.               Standard DISCLAIMER available on request.