HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MSCHNEE@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
Subject: I'm back (kindof)
Reply-To: MSCHNEE@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:00:46 GMT



Hey there, you faithful  netters.
After some absence (unemployment, economy, Bush, Congress), I am back in the cyberworld.
Still testing my surroundings, not listing yet.
Just wanted to say hello.
For those who care about such things, I am truly sorry for wasting bandwidth.

Dr. Mark.

PS Any more live SRV tapes out there? Reply via EMail.

Peace.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "st. stephen" <ST402836@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Rider chords
Reply-To: ST402836@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:05:26 GMT


spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
|In article <1992Aug11.203727.21736@col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com (Richard St)
| writes:
|>pmacdon@husc9.harvard.edu (Philip Macdonald) writes:
|>> could someone post the chords to I KNOW YOU RIDER
|>> thanks..
|>
|>Please do NOT take this as a flame or unfriendly response, but
|>figure them out for yourself!
|
|Gimme a break.   Here's the chords:
|

    I agree with Richard.  If you're interested in playing guitar one of
the best ways to learn about it is to figure out songs.  It helps your
understanding of your guitar and of music generally an awful lot.  More
than just being able to play a new song, it trains your ear, helps you
set up correspondance between sounds and fingerings, etc.  It's really
very usefull.
   Of course, we all get lazy sometimes and want to just peek at the
answers :^)

happy picking,

-steve
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: question about TFTV
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:13:30 GMT

Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:

>I forget the official name of this song - will have to take my Donovan
>record up to the radio station and play it to ID this more closely.
I believe it's "First their is a Mountain"
>This is on the 1968 tape, which was done August 21; TFTV is from August
>22, and I think I've heard the same stunt there, but will have to
>double-check when I can get to the station (no stereo at home, in case
>you're wondering)

First appearance that I know of is in the Alligator jam on Anthem of the Sun.
This was from the 2-14-68 Carousel Ballroom performance. It definitely
predates the Allman's "Mountain Jam", and I've always assumed that they
(the Allmans) picked up on it upon hearing Anthem of the Sun.

>Vic
-Mark
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Re- Deadicated Comments
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:21:00 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

The suggestions so far have been excellent,I would like to add:
      John Fogarty..................Easy Wind
 

    Rest Jerry,Rest and Get Well

                   Cheerz,
                       Jack
From: ecec@quads.uchicago.edu (Eric Cabot)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: What Chi-area net gathering.
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: ecec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hey! Was there a net.gathering this weekend? I would
gone had I known!  Maybe we should compile of list
of local net.heads and distribute it by email
so that the word gets around.

Eric

-- 
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    Eric Cabot                         |       "Non Nobis Nati Solum" 
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From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Jerry.get.well.video.hearing
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:26:51 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I heard this morning on the radio that someone seomewhere in Colorado is trying
to organize a get well video for Jerry, to be filmed at some peak (climber only
type heads need apply ?) where the snow cap forms the shape fo the cross.

I knew we were weird, but, this seems pretty far out there !

Jim
From: DBUDZAK@IVY (Doug Budzak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: zero tape tree?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:18:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Aug20.141826.5190
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet

So, what has happened with the Zero tape tree? I haven't heard anything
about it in quite a while.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Deferring to David Gans - That'll teach ya!   :^)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.142007.9315@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> METZ@vtvm2.bitnet writes:
>David Gans recently posted that the Fall tour was NOT cancelled,
>referring to information given to him directly from the GD ticket
>office.  He is certainly one of the *most* reliable sources ...

And when I said that, it was accurate information.  (See the transcript
of my 8/12 radio interview with Bob Weir).

Unfortunately, the tour was officially cancelled a day or two later.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: T for Texas
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:14:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3492
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug20.180051.1294@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu> mfeller@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Mark Feller) writes:
>You sound like a typical Texan. 

	Y'all wanna watch them bullshit stereo-types. :-)
From: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet (Bill Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Real Environmental Ugliness
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:39:31 GMT
Reply-To: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet
Organization: The Internet


Al Sodoma writes:

|Maybe you should take that water gun and spray down some of those people
|who haven't taken a shower for 2 or 3 weeks.  Now THAT'S offensive.  Sure,
|it might not fill your lungs with second hand smoke, but poor personal
|hygene can affect people very easily.  For one, it makes my eyes
|water.  Also, head lice, germs and other nasties can be easily trans-
|mitted from person to person.

So wear a body condom!  Why arent people as concerned about the  elevated
levels of heavy metals and cancer causing agents that are building up in the
air and water we all intake each and everyday?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Ken Kaufman <kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Subject: DrumSpace
Reply-To: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:02:45 GMT

During the Pigpen era, there would often be a brief to moderate length
drum solo as part of a song, usually, Alligator, Good Lovin' or [That's
it for] The Other One.  In the mid-70s, the drums gravitated to their
current place between songs in the middle of the second set, often with
the segue into the NFA-opening beat.  Still, this did not happen at every
show.

Around 1978, Mickey and Bill helped out with the Apocalypse Now soundtrack,
and in doing so, they were introduced to a whole new host of percussion
toys that became a regular part of the show sometime between my third
(spring 1978) and fourth (fall 1979) shows.  By this point, the Drum portion
of DrumSpace was closely related to what we are now familiar with; although
some of the devices have changed, Drumz was now entrenched as a regular
part of every show, with Billy and (especially) Mickey precessing from
their regular seats through the playground of percussion behind them.

It took a little longer for Space as we know it to become a regular feature.
The Hartford 5/10/80 show, for example, still has the drums phasing directly
into NFA.  Sometimes Space would just be a short jam leading into the next
song.  But it was really cemented in as a feature of the Dead shows when a
true Space from the fall tour of that year appeared as a track on Dead Set
(released in 1982, if I recall.)  Since then, the Space jam after the
drums has been a constant feature with a few aberrations, e.g. Phil
during the third week of April, 1982 :-) :-) :-)

==Ken Kaufman (kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu)
Needless to say, get well, Jerry!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "daniel j. slive" <DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet>
Subject: indigo dead
Reply-To: DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:28:51 GMT

Regarding the renewed discussion of the Deadicated album and especially the
comments about the Indigo Girls' version of UJB:
when this thread came up a while ago there seemed to be a lot of comments
about how the song was made to sound like another (any other?) song as done by
IG.  I thought it was funny that they did to UJB what the Dead does to the
tunes they cover:  that is, make it one of their own in their own definitive
style.  (Example:  no one ever mistakes the dead doin' Spoonful for
Howlin Wolf!).
Another circuitous example of what goes around comes around goes around?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:42:13 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re: glad ya'll had fun.....
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:28:12 GMT


I take the desire of the conservatives of this
country to limit our rights very seriously.  For
those of you who are not familiar with the concepts
that Brian is standing for.  I include the following
excerpts of the Republican Party Platform from an
article in the New York Times. NOTE THESE ARE *_NOT_*
TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT (popular political excuse).

-------------------------

GOP SWINGS RIGHTWARD IN ADOPTING PLATFORM

New York Times

...
The most obvious example is support for a 
constitutional amendment that would completely
outlaw abortion.
...
The platform also repudiates the tax increase
that Bush signed two years ago.  And it calls
for building a fence along the Mexican border
to keep out undocumented immigrants, a proposal
that many Mexicans and US Hispanics have sharply
critized in the past.
...
In the area of education, for example, the 
platform opposes birth control counseling or
the distribution of condoms in schools, and it 
advocates voluntary prayer and the recitation
of the Pledge of Allegiance in classrooms.

The document supports access to school property
for Bible clubs, home schooling adn goverment
tuition subsidies for students in private
and parochial schools.


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: The Dead with James Cotton at Soldier Field: tapes?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 20:51:09 GMT

Hiya,

When I was in Chicago in June I caught my first out-of-California
Dead show- it was the Thursday show, with James Cotton, Schoolgirl
and a Gloria encore. I'd looove tapes of this show and have much
to trade. Thanks youse. bill@sct.com is my favorite address.

Get well Jerry! Stick around for a while!

Peace

Bill

Mail to this account if you must, but

          bill@sct.com

          is preferred
From: john@spss.com (John Przyborowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Box Of Rain
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:22:59 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

I don't normally read or post to this group but I figure this is the 
place for this request:

Box of Rain? who sang it--Phil Lesh? What's it about?

Can someone forward me the lyrics or point me to a FTP site? Chords would
be nice.

john@spss.com


Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Deadhead of the Year
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:06:24 GMT

  Day 6- still not smoking!
So with all of this going on, I forgot one of the most important
dates in History.  August 18th.  (It's my mother's birthday but
that's irrelevant to this thread)  August 18th, 1956, Bill Wilson,
the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous dosed for the first time
on some of that primo old time Sandoz LSD-25.  He said it was the
same experience that he'd had spontaneously 21 years before that
lead to his sobriety and the sobriety of countless thousands of
others, thus proving that a Mystic Experience, whether spontaneous
or exogenously induced, was a Mystic Experience!
  Bill Wilson was Time's Man of the Year for 1971.  A fine day 
for Acidheads all over the world!  Which also coincides with the
creative epitomy of the Grateful Dead coincedentally.  So maybe
Pig Pen and Janis, (the only good thing to EVER come out of TEXAS-
read my middle finger Wr and Bruce) hated to dose 'cause it made
'em want to stop drinking!
  And folks- If you live on the EAST COAST or LA or any other
URBAN BLIGHT SHITHOLE in the midwest, you might as well smoke
'cause you're filling your lungs with crap everytime you suck
air- SO WHO CARES if some asshole lights up a cigarette next to
you at a DEAD SHOW?
  Now who wants to open nominations for Deadhead of the year?
David Graham perhaps? (Remember the "Top 10 Reasons Shoreline
Loves Deadheads")  How 'bout Bruce Hornesby for skipping summer
tour 'cept RFK and only playin' accordian when he did show up?
Bill Walton for playing Baba O'Riley>TNK during halftime in
Portland in the middle of the NBA finals?  Donna Godcheux for
putting up with mindless cheap shots from people who never even
knew her on the net.?

                  COME ON!  TAKE A WALK ON THE WILD SIDE!

                         eagle

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: Ski DEAD!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: All
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:06:08 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jko@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Subject: Jerry ILL!
Reply-To: jko@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:44:40 GMT


I went to all the So Calif JERRY shows and by Chula Vista, JERRY
sounded tattered!!!  Get well soon JERRY!

To Steph Feuer!  Hello from KIMO!!  Oh well, we didn't get oregon
tickets, but now it doesn't matter...anyway!

JKO@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

(JAMES KO "KIMO")
:-) Have a Grateful Day!
From: sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry's Health: opinion and a fictional proposal
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:36:49 GMT
Organization: Wahoo 5

>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Brown <mattb@olympus.ctron.com> writes:
Matt> FICTION ALERT!  FICTION ALERT!  FICTION ALERT!  FICTION ALERT!  FICTION ALERT!
Matt> O 8. The Greatful Daed has further agreed with the City of San Fran-
Matt> N    cisco to lease Candlestick Park, and participate in the renovation
Matt>      thereof, once the Giants move out.  The park will receive a retractable
Matt> F    dome, and will henceforth be the permanent home of all Greatful Daed
Matt> I    Productions events, with the possible exception of the New Years Series.
Matt> C    The Park will be renamed in honor of Bill Graham.

Have you ever been to a concert at Candlestick? It would suck as a
one-time gd venue, let alone a permanent one. But I don't mean to pick
on your fiction; I just was reminded of my latest recurring nightmare,
which is also FICTION: Will Clark is resting at home in bed, and the
Grateful Dead are retiring to a domed stadium in Florida. AUUUGGGGHHH!
Say it ain't so!

Back to reality.
-- 
Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Thoughts on the musicality of the Dead
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:34:14 GMT

Regarding the musicality of the Dead, I think it was Bruce who first brought
up the comparison between playing through changes and modal improvisation.
Whereas it makes sense to talk about the relative difficulty of modal 
improvisation when discussing Miles' evolution from be-bop to Cool and
similarly Coltrane who in his last years evolved into a modal platform for
his improvisations, it doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense to use this
when discussing rock musicians who are incapable of playing through complex
changes a la Ornithology.  Rock musicians are not jazz musicians, and whereas
the Dead's approach to music can be described as jazz-like, it doesn't
mean that a straightforward comparison can be made.

Here's my attempt to explain what makes the Dead's sound so unique. My by-now
traditional disclaimer is that I'm referring to the Dead of 15+ years ago. :-)
 
At the height of the Dead's improvisational powers -- classic era Dead --
their was an musical empathy that existed between the instrumentalists.
On top of this was the distinct musical voices of the guitars, such that
no matter whether Jerry was playing a solid body and Bobby a hollow, or both
playing solid bodies etc, it didn't matter because their approach to their
instruments was so different. I often mused on how interesting it is that
they would occasionally *intentionally* attempt to make the guitars
indistinguishable during a particular moment (I'm thinking of the jam out of
the final Truckin reprise from Felt Forum 11 or 12/71 radio broadcast). This 
is something that their contemporaries had to struggle to *avoid* (ex: Clapton 
and D. Allman on Derek and the Dominoes LP).

Another aspect of their playing that uniquely identified them was an almost
democratization of the instrument voices. The playing on Dark Star (Live Dead)
can almost seem as though it didn't matter if you switched the instruments,
the music would be the same. The playing from this era always reminded me
of music from the Baroque, ex. a Bach fugue.

And lastly, another aspect that I've flashed on (and I think this has already
been mentioned) that completely distinguished the Dead's music from other
rock bands' is this "flowing" feeling, that as best I can describe comes
from them not playing on the beats (up or down), but rather "around" some
common space (where notes aren't played). This space can have different
tempos, and gives one the feeling that the music is "breathing".

Does this make any sense?

--Mark
From: DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu (Victor A D'Amato)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: OFTV 3
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:01:50 GMT
Reply-To: DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu
Organization: The Internet

Anyone know what show or shows will be featured in the next vault
release?  Last I heard, something from 1973 or 1974 was getting the
nod.  Anything from Oct., Nov., or December 1973 would be ideal in
my opinion!

Vic
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: FALL TOUR CANCELLED!-etc etc etc
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:34:43 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <92227.152940ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu>, <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Unfortunately your "Bullshit" turned out to be the actual rumor.  I wouldn't
> have posted if I didn't know what I was talking about.  If you still don't
> believe, then I've got some killer Landover tix to sell you.
> 
>     "Goes to show... You don't ever know..."

oops. Probably gonna get flamed for this one, but didn't CNN almost cut
to a George Bush is dead story recently??? (Answer yourself, Eric, yes they
did..) I'm curious if they didn't get the story WRONG. Its happened before.
No offense, "ADB....etc.," but any *OFFICIAL* word on the subject?????

Hoping much more for Jerry than I am for the FALL...............
                     ^^^^^

Peace!
!eric!

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Mike Metzler <METZ@vtvm2.bitnet>
Subject: No Dead content--taping at Allmans' shows
Reply-To: METZ@vtvm2.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:56:07 GMT

Does anyone out there know how the allowed taping at Allman Brothers
Band shows works?  Is there a set section? Are taping tickets
separate, and required?  I am going to see them in Atlanta with a
friend who wants to tape, or get a plug-in, but we have no idea
how to prepare for it.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:52:27 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Burchell <Jeff.Burchell@f305.n109.z1.fidonet.org>
Subject: Deadicated ][
Reply-To: Jeff.Burchell@f305.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:18:13 GMT

Sinatra - Stella Blue
They Might Be Giants - Eyes of the world
John Prine - Me and My Uncle
Neil Diamond - Corina   :)
Leon Redbone - Mexicali Blues
Steve Miller Band - Unbroken Chain
Charlie Daniels - Monkey & Engineer (Ok, so it isn't a dead-written tune)
Jimmy Buffett - Fire on Mountain
James Taylor - SLow Train
Arlo Guthrie - Morning Dew.

Flame it if your shamed by it, flame it if you dare.

-Jeff
From: hanke@insane.sanders.lockheed.com (Richard Hanke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: jerry on cnn
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:23:28 GMT
Organization: Information Systems Division, Lockheed Sanders

In article <1992Aug12.102921.13136@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dab@blitzen.uucp (25853-ballard) writes:




>saw a snippet about jerry on headline news this morning.  they said
>"5 shows in oregon and california have been cancelled" because he's
>suffering from "severe exhaustion".  

>let' hope for that fall tour...

>dab

>===============================================================
>dave ballard
>dab@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com
>===============================================================
Heard on WBCN (Boston) same thing.........
Also mail order for the fall shows have been postponed.

RH
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead