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From: bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick BETREMIEUX)
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:20:30 GMT

Why use GDOS ??? The ST is perfectly capable of performing *great* font
control (Proportional and all) without this piece of #@#@!!. GDOS is nothing
more than a product made for you to give $$$$ to Atari.

The VDI has a function called vst_loadfonts. passing 0 as font number, and
the address of the font header in ptsin(0) and ptsin(1) will have it use
this font THE RIGHT WAY. You can pass in 1 for the 6x6 font (Nothing in
ptsin then), 2 for 8x8 or 3 for 8x16. What more do you need ???

As for printer drivers, well, TOS accepts quite a bunch of types on its
own (Like the Atari Laser, any Epson comp. dot matrix, even some color ones)

And using the 6x6 font is good in a window, as it will make up for the space
taken by the window border !!!

					Patrick BETREMIEUX

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From: lawrence@access.isc-br.com (Lawrence Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit,misc.forsale.computers,pnw.forsale
Subject: Panasonic 1092 Printer for Sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:06:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo

9-pin
160 cps (draft)
32 cps (NLQ)

This printer is in excellent condition.  It's about 5 years old, but it has had very 
light home use. Manual included	

$100 or best offer

Terms: as is. - shipped U.P.S. C.O.D. - buyer pays shipping and C.O.D. charges.

Lawrence Kelley 

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From: chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: HD cache for the MegaSTe
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:23:11 GMT
Followup-To: chan@cs.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Hello out there...

Are there any suggestions for a HD cache for my MegaSTE either PD or commercial?

I DID use Cold Hard Cache 3.5 this week but it caused a minor predicament for melast night.  As soon as I enabled it, my FAT tables started to deteriorate on 
two of my partititions (drive F and G)... maybe I am wrong... but I am taking nochances...  After major surgury, I only lost 6 files (whew!)... (thanks, Brian
T.)

Any suggestions (especially cache for the MegaSTE (read or write)) will be 
greatly appreciated...

Please email to:

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PS... Thanks BOB and his user's group for the translation of Crack Art into
English!
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Subject: New Zealand
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:02:48 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

Well I have just found out to-day that Dave Small is over here,
was seen with Jon Clark of Status BBS in Auckland, could be on Holiday,
or trying to by New Zealand as I think its going cheap, and that does
not include me..:-)
-- 
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***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
From: JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Joshua Kronengold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: How can i hang up the phone in UniTerm?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92100.144619JOKHC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <9APR199203303630@rosie.uh.edu>, elee8zz@rosie.uh.edu (Pagan, John)
says:
>
>Hello there!
>
>I just got uniterm like two days ago and I can't hang up the modem with
><alt><h>.  Whenever I do that, the modem sends the string to the remote
>host instead of hanging up.  My modem is a Hayes compatible SupraModem 2400.
>I have tried different combinations of hang up strings and nothing seems to
>work.  Any suggestions...?
>
Yeah, use <alt>L (long break) works like a charm(and it's faster than alt h
even if you set the pauses right).
From: boyd@phi.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Yikes!
Date: 5 Apr 92 05:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr5.000200.27285
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <rim58INNe0o@agate.berkeley.edu>, adlewis@ocf.berkeley.edu (Aaron Lewis) writes:
>
>Wow, I guess I _am_ a beginner.  The previous message was my first posting to
>any newsgroup at all, so here's my second try.
>
>I'm looking for two thing:  A C compiler (PD preferably) 

If you have a hard disk, gcc is the way to go.  If you don't, I understand 
that you can get sozobon to work from floppies/ramdisks.  In the commercial 
arena, I highly recommend Prospero C.  It is rock solid, has a good optimizer,
and excellent documentation of both the compiler and the Atari system 
architecture.

If you don't have a hard disk, GET ONE!!!

>and a terminal emulator
>(also PD if possible).  I am currently using an early version of Flash that
>doesn't seem to support any kind of terminal emulation.  It's frustrating, as I
>have to use the "dumb" terminal which, as you know if you've had to use it, is
>a royal pain in the vi editor.  Anyway, if anyone has info on either of these,
>it would be much appreciated.  Keep in mind, please, that I'm a poor student
>who can't shell out for a big-time commercial product :)
>

I thought that all versions of Flash could do vt100 (try <alt>-m, and select
ansi), but I jumped on the wagon at version 1.5.  There do exist patches
to bring older versions of Flash up to 1.6 on atari.archive.umich.edu.  You 
should get a copy of Uniterm, considered widely to be the best terminal 
program for the ST (and it's free, no less).  It is also available from 
the above mentioned site.

I generally prefer Flash 1.6 (even though it does do weird things at 9600baud),
because I really like the way you can get to the capture buffer with one 
mouseclick.  Having this kind of scrollable editable tagable history buffer 
is invaluble to me (especially when I only have one "window").  Also, if 
you modem into unix systems alot, you should check out Unix Windows, which 
allows you to have multiple windows (each running their own shell) over a 
single modem line.  Very neat stuff!

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From: chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Continuous .MOD player?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:12:16 GMT
Followup-To: chan@cs.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Hello ST netters!

I was wondering if there are any PD (or commercial for that matter) MOD 
player out there that:
	1)  loads MOD files unattended according to a user's defined list
	2)  plays continuously
	3)  depends on the RAM of the setup

Too bad Noize Tracker STe doesn't have this feature... (great player though)

Any ideas and comments will be appreciated!!!!!!

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From: vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:23:32 GMT

In article <yy4LiB1w165w@micromed.net.netcom.com> system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis) writes:
>dogman@micromed.net.netcom.com (Lee Petty) writes:
>>  I'm not sure what the prices of the Mega STE are elsewhere, but here in 
>>  San Jose, California, U.S.A., you can buy a MEGA STE with 4 MB of memory 
>>  and a 50 MB internal Hard Drive for $899.00. The reason I'm pointing this 
>>  out is that I keep seeing price comparisons to a 386, which is much more 
>>  expensive than this.
>
>You can also buy a 386-25 with 4meg and an 80meg hard drive for about $850.

And it's a *lot* faster than an STE :-).  Especially if the HD is IDE.
-- 
Van Snyder = vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SM124 (was Re: MultiTeX 5.0)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:59:39 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <RALPH.92Apr8174351@orion.laas.fr> ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
>>>>>> Regarding Re: MultiTeX 5.0; martin@matisse.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Wiesenfeldt) adds:
>
>Martin> My personal experiences:
>Martin> For an effective multitasking the old ST is too slow, and the
>Martin> resolution of the good ol' SM124 too poor.
>
>COME ON NOW!!  Is this true?  A Sun-3 has approx. 75 pixels/inch and a
>SPARCstation has 99.19 pixels/inch (both std. monochrome monitors).
>Now the SM124, on my machine, has approx. 80-90 pixels/inch.
>
>This seems a quite correct resolution in my book!

The pixels per inch don't really matter here.  The monitor is only
640x400, so you can't realistically have more than one or two full screen
windows open at once (full screen meaning 80x25 chars) without the
font being tiny and illegible.  The Suns use 16 and 19 inch monitors,
so the it ends up working out OK.  I think Sun has something like 1150x832
or something to that effect.

						- Al


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From: oracle@iastate.edu (Jason Brunken)
Subject: Excellent new ST BBS software available
Summary: Powerful low cost BBS available
Keywords: BBS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:53:41 GMT

For anyone out there who runs a BBS or has every thought about running a BBS
on the ST, there is a new BBS program available called 'TRANSCENDENCE' which
is a really nice POWERFUL system.

I would have to say that it has far more potential then the more popular
systems like FoReM and TurboBoard.  A shareware version is available with a
few features disconnected, and it can be registered for $49 (certainly worth
it if you have seen what it can do).

If you would like to see Transcendence in action, I have a system set up that
you can reach if you can telnet.  Just telnet to '129.186.99.31', then at the
dial: prompt, type 'me\16125' then follow the prompts.  Keep in mind that this
is a brand new set up that shows about 20% of what the program can do, and that
it is not being used on a modem as it was originally intended.  If you are
interested give it a try!

P.S.  I am not the author of the software, just a happy customer...
From: komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:52:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In response to Roger Sheppard's question about FMSGDOS and Wordflair II.

You can add an subtract fonts in a desk accessory that comes with FSMGDOS.
You can add new sizes of fonts from within the program. This works pretty
well, though I do not do a lot of font changing.

Bob Komives
From: ABADDON@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:52:23 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <1992Apr9.093336.1081@actrix.gen.nz>,
Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz says:
>Please tell me what is the point off all this..??
>
>If you don't have software for these so call faster machines..??
>
What's you problem Roger? Of course there's software for these machines.

Kev
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kdv_521@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Subject: Re: GEMulator (was Re: Sudden View vs. Intel)
Reply-To: kdv_521@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Computer Science, Vienna, Austria
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:13:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.053100.643@microsoft.com>, darekm@microsoft.com (Darek MIHOCKA) writes:
>>Why, you just run Sudden View using Darek Michoka's GEMulator on any fast
>>MS-DOS machine, right?
>>
>>All sarcasm aside, the GEMulator sounded like a real stupid idea in the
>>first place, but do these comments of Rod's mean that the GEMulator can't
>>possibly work as advertised, and is really pretty much worthless?
>
>Ok, let's put these stupid speculation about how "Gemulator can't
>possibly work" to rest once and for all. Last weekend Gemulator
>was shown to over 2000 Atari ST users at the ACE show in Toronto.
>It was seen and tested by Bob Brodie, Charles Johnson, Dorothy Brumleve,
>Mike Vederman, and many other ST developers, including Rod Coleman the
>developer of Sudden View. Sudden View worked as did 100% of the programs
>that were tested on Gemulator (including Pagestream, Calamus, Dynacadd,
>Tempus, Laser C, GFA Basic, etc). Rod was even impressed.
>
>If anyone would still like to claim that it is impossible to emulate
>the 68000 and ST hardware on a PC with 100% compatibility, please
>explain. Obviously, 2000 people just imagined they saw it work.
>
>- Darek

This is not intended as a flame, I just wanted to point out that there
are some programs that won't work, but of course nobody cares!

What about all those demos? Timing-sensitive programs etc.
Don't tell me the Union Demo will work!!!

Anyway, don't take this posting too seriously, don't flame me!

I haven't seen GEMULATOR but I believe it works fine, it's just that
it will never COMPLETELY replace a "real" ST...

  Marinos Yannikos
  yannikos@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Darek Mihocka. Creator of Quick ST & Gemulator. Views expressed are my own.
>  Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th Street, Unit 302, Bellevue, WA  98007
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR vs ST w/ PC
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

The GEMULATOR really is a neat hack (saw it running at the Toronto ACE show) but one
should realize it`s far from perfect... has some serious problems managing the mouse
and it looks like synching timing signals might be a problem too.  However, if anyone
can come up with fixes for these things, Darek can (in time, anyway).  Just understand
that with _any_ emulator, you trade away a few things and the GEMULATOR is no different.  Will be interesting to see what happens as it develops, though.

Oh, and just because you have a fast, 486-33 or similar, don't expect emulations to be blindingly fast... it just don't work that way, people.
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 10:37:27 MES
From: <ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: software blitting

In article <1992Apr9.174506.11150@cs.mcgill.ca>, bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick
BETREMIEUX) says:
>
>Aren't the Line-A routines supposed to use the blitter if it's present ???
>I heard they should be able to do 1000 16x16 blits per second (Or at
>least this is what Atari claimed in its adds :-). So with the blitter
>on, it should go about 1200 + blits per seconds, no ?

The extended inquire functionspretends that on a Mega ST with blitter, you
can do 5000 16x16 blits per second.

>
>As far as I'm concerned, the Line-A routines are *pretty* fast (Not as
>fast as what we could do on our own with self-modifying code and all,
>but good enough for any games. I wrote Tetris with them, and it's fast)

I wrote a Tetris clone inside a GEM window using only VDI functions, and
taht's fast enough, too.

>
>I think Atari should have stuck with them even in the TT. It can't be
>that hard to change them to work with 8 bits/pixel, can it?
>
>                                        Patrick BETREMIEUX.

There's no point in supporting a low level interface, if there are no
significant advantages comparred to the VDI interface.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: C for the ST
From: krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:10:39 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Is there a public domain C compile for the ST
and what is the best C compiler for the st?
From: willing@pantheon.icsl.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: wordwriter disk writes
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:28:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Apr16.141957.13603@sdf.lonestar.org>
  jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org (John Trimble) writes:
>
>My wife and I write together, each using Timeworks WordWriter on 
>separate ST's. We continually run into a problem which we haven't 
>been able to nail down.  The problem only happens when we're working 
>together, and after we've swapped disks, though often it is long 
>enough later that we've forgotten exactly what steps we took with 
>each swapped disk.   
>
Such disk swapping is dangerous and can easily lead to disk corruption.
Whenever the ST detects that the disk has been removed/replaced from
the drive, it reads the serial number on the disk.  If the serial number
has not changed (from the last time it was checked), then the ST _assumes_
that the disk has not changed.  If you, in fact, have placed the disk
into another computer and modified it, then the ST's assumption is false--
the disk contents have changed and buffered information (directories and
FATs) may be incorrect.  Further changes to the disk can cause the 
incorrect directory/FAT information to be written to the disk, corrupting
its files.

I believe that you can avoid this problem by always placing another,
unrelated, disk in the drive between swaps.  Do a directory listing
on that disk to flush the old disk's info out of memory.  Then, when
you replace your original disk, everything is read afresh.  I think
for TOS versions 1.4 and above there is also some desktop hotkey that
forces a re-reading of disk information.  Maybe someone else can post
what that might be...

-- Scott Willingham // willing@icsl.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: GEMULATOR vs ST w/ PC
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:03:13 GMT

I have read many posting about this and arguments on both sides.  I
feel that Darek did a good job, I don't exactly know what his comments
were about the ST people, but his interest in the ST must still be
there to create this emulator.
I own an ST before I owned an pc, I still have both and now a LC II.
They both(posted earlier) have advantages.  I don't feel that the
pc world are pieces of junk.  They aren't, pc have better graphics and
have better software supports.  They are faster and more powerful(but
will cost more in some cases).
A fully equiped 486-50Mhz PC with gemulator(assuming it to be $300.00)
will now cost $2500.00.  And yet you don't get the MIDI, but you do
get the SB pro which has midi and CD-ROM interface.  And you also get
to run an emulation of STE at 4096 colors in a WINDOW(I prefer under
OS/2).  And if the MAC is compat. GCR, then another window using MAC.
Now you have 3 windows or 4 windows one running mono, another RGB, another
MAC, and another running Mathematica or AutoCAD or MEDIA stuff for the
PC at once!  The TT itself would not be able to compete this way, but
then again the TT is another totally different System, but have you
ran an PC emulator on the TT(software) under an window running VGA mode
for that PC and get an result of and SX performance?  The 68000 cpu is
assumed to be at a performance of an 386SX16.  The gemulator, I know
upset many people in the ST world, infact it hits me too.  I alone
spent over $1500.00 on my ST and if the gemulator does come out, then
I will be looking to sell the ST once again, but keeping all my ST
software.
DOS mounter on my MAC can read PC disks 1.44Mb, why can't the PC have
a mounter to do the same?
030-16Mhz running SoftPC can emulate in a window EGA and at 1.6 Mhz AT speed
, to bad.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:26:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <6618@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> <1992Apr7.215837.21737@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
    <jonal.15@sofus.dhhalden.no> <57292@cup.portal.com>
  <7514@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>

Warwick Allison writes:

>Sigh :-), sorry to disappoint you, but 256 shades of grey is

OK, so who's talking about "shades of grey"...?
 
The discussion was "True Color"...  try to keep with the program, OK?
 
BobR
From: bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Please post Megapaint Professional demo
Summary: ...to atari.archive
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:27:54 GMT
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Santa Clara, Ca.

Would some kind soul upload the Megapaint Professional demo (available on
GEnie and CI$) to atari.archive?  Thanks!

BTW, I've posted the Home Accounts 2 demo as someone requested.  Look for
"homeacc2.zoo".


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From: jbunch@world.std.com (John B Bunch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: TOS 2.06....
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:56:54 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Howdy...

   I just finished installing tos 2.06 in my machine and was wonder if
anybody out there has a file explaining all the new and wonderful
fixes.  I used to have 1.06, so I hope there are a few fixes...  ;-)
It was a pain getting the jumpers out to resolder them in the right
place.  But all seems to work just fine and dandy.  I have noticed one
problem, I cant seem to get Maccel3 to run?  It just gives me a lot of
bombs across the screen.  Also, what fixes do I need in my auto folder
now?  Do I need turbocts/tos14fix?  Or poolfix?  Please reply via
email and I will summarize to the net.

John Bunch...

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From: petcher@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Don Petcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher)
Organization: Physics Department, Washington University

In article <1992Apr9.173110.6719@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>Yes, Atari is offering TOS 2.06 as an upgrade to Mega STE's.  It's
>$60, but I recommend against getting it just yet.  See, another
>upgrade they're offering is the high density floppy upgrade.  For
>$150, you get a new disk drive, the AJAX drive controller chip, 
>AND TOS 2.06, so it's a better deal that way.
> 


Is the floppy upgrade available with the Codehead board for normal
(mega) ST's? Sure could do with a 1.44 Mb floppy drive!



Don Petcher                                  petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu
Dpeartment of Physics
Washington University
Saint Louis, Missouri
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