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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I Borg question  (spoiler?)
Keywords: "Do I have a name?"
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:25:02 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <jverho80.715205831@ursa>, jverho80@ursa (Jeff Verhoef) writes:
>I just watched the rerun of "I Borg," and I have a small question...
>  (possible spoiler though)












>When Bev and Geordi have the adolescent Borg in the lab and are asking his
>his "means of identification,"  Bev explains to him that humans have names.
>She says, "I am Beverly, and this is Geordi."  The Borg then says, "Do *I*
>have a name?"

>I'm pretty sure he says that.

Yah.  I just checked my tape.  He definitely says "I".

>Anyway, why does he say "I" in that particular
>instance but doesn't use "I" again until Picard confronts him?

Probably, this is just a goof, since according to the story, Hugh isn't
supposed to understand individualism until his confrontation with Picard.

On the other hand, given that this occurs just at the point where 3rd of 5
is asking for an "individual" name, it /may/ have been purposeful.  What
makes me doubt this is:

	1) neither Bev or Geordi comment on it (and Geordi specifically
	   mentions how Hugh always says "we" later on)

	2) The writers would have to be rather more clever than
	   one has been lead to expect from other episodes.

>Is this just a little slipup that no one caught

That's where my money's at.

>or am I just missing some fundamental Borg thing?

I don't think so.  If you've seen "Q Who?", "Best of Both Worlds" I & II,
and "I, Borg", you pretty much know everything (canon) there is to know
about the Borg (the relevant parts of which are fairly well covered in
"I, Borg").

-- 
The security of the Enterprise is of Paramount importance.
				-J. L. Picard, stardate 45960.2
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:04:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <BtLp7F.H46.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>>mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>>>Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday) writes:
>>>>`The Outcast' was a major disappointment in many ways, not the least of 
>>>>which
>>>>was that all but one of the supposed androgynes looked approximately female,
>>>>and not androgynous at all. Grumble.
>>>The problem, of course, is that they're confined to using human actors, and
>>	Got two words for ya.....
>>	M. BUTTERFLY.
>>	(Now there's a SKILL component here, but that's a whole 'nuther
>>matter.....)
>Huh?  What has "The Outcast" got to do with a (IMO) highly overrated opera?
>You lost me here, Roger...

	Try play.  Not opera.  Tony Award winner. Soon to be Major Motion
Picture by David Cronenberg.

	This is distinct from MADAME BUTTERFLY.





-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Re: STTNG Season SIX Broadcast Schedule
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:27:06 GMT

>                        STAR TREK:  THE NEXT GENERATION
>                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
>                               September 1992
>

I read these dates and it looks good, but what is your source of information?
I have seen so much information that I don't ever know what to believe and
what not to- what is your source here? 

-- 
"What is happiness, after all, but the fleeting, transitory butterfly of an
emotion that is impossible to catch and hold for long before it flies away"
             Margaret Weis "Star of the Guardians" Volume 3
    Eric Jeffery (jeffery@ucsu.colorado.edu) StarBase Express (303)450-2454
From: 01calvin@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty, period...
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:46:10 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep01.180934.14480@bnr.ca>, faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote) writes:
> I have actually had the occasion to meet Mr. Doohan here in Dallas and
> there's something interesting about him that I haven't seen mentioned
> before:  He's missing a finger on his right hand (if memory serves me
> correctly).  I didn't know the proper etiquette for asking him about it
> (Hey nice weather...What the hell???) so I left the matter closed.  Has

	[ Deleted stuff ]

	I saw an interview with him that took place in Toronto...
	The host asked him about his finger, (which surprised me,
	go figure...), and Mr. Doohan told him how he lost it...

	He, apparently, was the first person on the beach on D-day.
	Perhaps he meant from his boat, but I remember him saying
	that he was first... period.  

	Anyway, I'm not sure how long he was there, but he was soon
	under fire, and he was shot in the hand by a sniper...

	Just a tid-bit.

Spiff
Long time no post.
From: brownga@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:33:11 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <4ec6Ok200UjU81UUVk@andrew.cmu.edu>, jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
> In article <1684A128D9.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>> 
>>     Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
>> in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
>> beginning of the movie.
> 
> Here's another on for Gates. She was in The Hunt for Red October. She
> was Alec Baldwin's character's wife I believe.
> 
> 					-Jim
-- 
This may have allready been posted but she had a good but relativly
short role in Takin care of business, James Belushi. Oh and John
Delancie, Q, was in it too. Also small role.

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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine on ET
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:53:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150330.13540@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
>In article <1992Sep03.063331.6732@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>- Avery Brooks has that deep commanding voice that should resonate on the 
>>tube just like Stewart's.
>Is Avery Brooks the actor who did the one-man performance as Paul
>Robeson (in Los Angeles several months ago, probably elsewhere too)?

	Yup.

>If I am not confusing names and that is the same actor, then DS9 has
>managed to land one of the most talented people in town.  

	Notwithstanding, I'm real surprised that DS9 has been able to land
such people with TV-series-star power. Brooks and Auberjois are very, very
good, fairly well known people (in particular, I suspect the latter has no
real financial need to do series work, given his work on BENSON).

>[for those who do not know who Paul Robeson was,

	Shame on you!



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 17:24:40 CDT
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galileo Christmas ornament ad



In article <1992Aug27.164201.2500@edsi.plexus.COM>, lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon
Ponschock) says:
>
>I was wondering if anyone else had seen the new Hallmark ad which
>was broadcast during the reruns of STTNG for a Galileo Christmas
>ornament that lights up and talks w. Spock's voice.
>
>        The item lists for $24.00 (U.S.) while supply lasts.
>
>        I recently asked about any such items a the local card store and
>they did not seem to know anything about it.
>
>        They are taking reservations for the things at a toll free number
>where one can get local dealer information, I guess.
>
>        Sorry, I didn't copy down the phone #...
>--
>   Question Recently
>   Posed to the Net:'Kukla, Fran & Ollie' which one is which?
>   Answer: Tom Servo is Kukla, Crooow is Ollie and Joel is Fran.
>   lon@edsi.plexus.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The phone number is 1-800-HALLMARK.

In Chicago, a number of local Hallmarks have the ornament readily
available.  In fact, I just bought two of them at $24 each.

I went into one store that did not have them yet, but expected
shipment in October.  The owner asked if I wanted to be put on a
waiting list that she had started.  She had 2 names already.  The catch
was that her allotment from Hallmark was only 4 ornaments.  The owner then
advised me that she was not aware of any other stores in this area that
had the ornaments in stock.  This proved to be wrong.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Season 6 opener: The Enterprise vs Q for the sanity of Rebecca DeMorney
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The crew are flung to the late 20th century and battle Q to save the mind
and life of Rebecca DeMorney's character in The Hand That Rocks the Cradle.
Q's plan was to wipe out Picard before he ever existed, and that his
ancestory has a key point with her. 

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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No scripts???
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:45:45 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug27.011640.11521@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>>Isn't this the show that gets 10,000 spec submissions a year?  Come on,
>>they can't ALL be bad...

>Oh, yes they can.  You'd be surprised.

Actually, I _wouldn't_ be surprised.  I've read some submissions that have
made my hair curl.  But I do remember at least one fan script that
was witty, literate, and intelligent, with good characterization of Troi
and no re-use of old elements from the series (no Romulans, no Borg, etc).
I would much rather have seen my friend's script than, say, "Cost of
Living".  Only problem I could think of -- the ship was never in danger
of imminent destruction in a way that could be solved in five minutes
at the end of the episode.  Maybe that's what sank it.
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Warp Speed!
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.220726.430@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>I've got to make one comment...
>I love this forum, but it is SO popular that it fills
>up so damn quickly !
>
>I mean, I had caught up on reading all the articles, and then was
>gone for just 2 days, and when I came back, there were *87* new
>articles to read !!! I mean, shit, how is a person supposed to keep
>up with all these new articles !!! And that is just in *THIS* group.
>I also like to try to keep up with other groups.
>
>I'm sure the management here where I work must love all the time I
>spend on this thing, just trying to keep up on the mail !!!
>
>Does anyone else feel this way ??
>
>- Todd

Try another group such as discussions on bush and clinton.  I got on the
Clinton group, left for the weekend and came back to over 500 posts.
Needless to say I dropped it.  Thus 87 new posts doesn't bother me that
much as most posts are worthless ( Like this one ) and I just skip 
over them.

Paul
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Man Trap
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:13:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug27.112707.29226@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:

>Jean-Luc says "Space, the final frontier......". Well in last nights
>episode we had a pre-credit sequence before Jim says "Space, the final frontier...".
>I always thought that TOS didn't have these pre-credit sequences. Am I wrong
>or did the Beeb rearrange it to make it like a TNG episode??

This is the same as my pre-recorded TOS set, I assume this is the way they
were originally.

Of more interest though, how many people noticed that last nights episode
was an NTSC to PAL conversion?  Why they did this is beyond me since TOS is
available on film, however as a result of this conversion it is the first
time I have seen TOS at it's correct speed, ie not 24 fps sped up to 25
fps, the NTSC conversion has maintained the soundtrack at it's original
speed (or a DEFT conversion was used and the pitch of sounds digitally
altered) but anyway, I always wondered why Bill Shatner sounded so
different on talk shows to when he was on TOS, turns out that last night he
sounded really sluggish and slurred in comparison to the usual micky mouse
pitch.  Just a piece of trivia.


-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Borg as Humans (Humanoids)
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:54:30 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Sep2.194403.6627@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) writes:

>Why is it that ALL Borgs look human.  I understand that to be a Borg it would
>make sense that a species would need to be humanoid, but why aren't any of the
>Borg Klingons, Romulan, Ferengi, or an other for that matter?  It was also 
>mentioned earlier about the Federation continually running into the Borg.
>What about the Romulans or Klingons fighting the Borg?  Hmmm, strange!  
>-- 
>"What is happiness, after all, but the fleeting, transitory butterfly of an
>emotion that is impossible to catch and hold for long before it flies away"
>             Margaret Weis "Star of the Guardians" Volume 3
>    Eric Jeffery (jeffery@ucsu.colorado.edu) StarBase Express (303)450-2454


Well, it is rumored that we will see some Borg of different races, such as
maybe a Klingon or Romulan or Ferengi (thanks Peter) and some others. You
do have to remember, that it is rare that the borg bother with individuals,
but rather go after entire races or planets' inhabinates.

Dave
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From: davros@draco.unm.edu (Seymour Butt)
Subject: Re: I, Borg... An observation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

> In "I, Borg", a heavy emphasis was placed on the fact that Hugh did not
> have a singular identity.  He always referred to "himself" as we.  This
> theme was continually reinforced until the Climax with Locutus when Hugh
> said "No, I am Hugh".  Picard was astonished that the Borg referred to
> himself in the singular.
> 
> After recently watching this episode, it was noted that early on, when
> Geordi and Bev were telling Hugh their names, Hugh responded by saying
> "Do I have a name?"  This was well before the events unfolded giving Hugh
> his singular identity.  How could they make such a goof?  To me, it
> really weakens the impact of the whole episode.  Maybe I'm over-reacting,
> or maybe I should get a life.

>>
>>   I feel the reason Hugh said " I "  in the line "Who am I" was because
>>    he was just copying verbatim what Geordi and Bev had said.  Except
>>   thier names because he understood that Geordi and Bev were Geordi and
>>    Bevs name.
>>
>>-ketan-
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9---cast list From USA TODAY
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:50:01 GMT

In article <BtwxMp.10v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>from Sept 1st USA Today Life section in an article by Matt Roush
>
>	Ferengi Bartender Quark -- Armin Shimerman
>
>	Miles O'Brien  -- Colm Meaney

Wicked!  Excellent!

Armin Shimerman is the *original* Ferengi, the man all the Ferengi masks
were based on, and by looking at him , you can tell.  He also played
the leader of the Ferengi group in "The Last Outpost."

I got to see Mr Shimerman (who also played Father in "Beauty and the Beast")
last year at PolarisCon II in (near) Minneapolis/ St Paul, and he
simply *STUNNED* everyone at the Cabaret on the Saturday night with
a reading from Shakespeare.  Utterly brilliant actor, and I am overjoyed
to see he's going to be in the cast.

And I already have his autograph!


>


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From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty, period...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date:  2 Sep 1992 15:22 EST  

In article <1992Sep01.180934.14480@bnr.ca>, faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote) writes...

>Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty, period...

Yeah, but this should only affect him 5 days out of the month. The rest of 
the time, he should be pretty stable. :-)

-- Stephen

	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
	 Some people's destiny... passes by"

					"I'll Be Over You"   -- Toto

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty being on TNG
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.161218.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
 
>
>Grrr!  Are we starting in with the FAT comments again?  How tall are _you_ and
>how much do _you_ weigh?  As i've said before, people come in LOTS of sizes,
>not just one.  Cool it!
>And in any case, TNG is syndicated, it isn't on NETWORK television.
>I'm not really gung-ho about Scotty on TNG, but it's done so let's just
>wait and see.
 
Except that StarFleet resembles a quasi-military organization and
fitness would have to be a requirement to some degree...
 
btw...i wonder if any of this could be tied in to the newly found
"Bootcamp 3000" ?
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Babylon 5
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:47:44 GMT

I know this doesn't belong in this news group, or maybe it does, I don't
know but I'm not sure about Bablylon 5.  Okay, you might think I'm out of
touch, but is this a new TV show, not related to Star Trek?
-- 
|Jeffrey S. Jo                  |		U.S.S. Enterprise              |
|Computer Operations		| Galaxy Class - Starfleet Registry NCC-1701-D |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha|        Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards, Mars     |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu        |             Launched Stardate 40759.5        |
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:25:20 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Mike Willis writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <1992Sep3.083639.7357@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>
> Posted: 3 Sep 92 08:36:39 GMT
> 
> Org.  : University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH
> 
> So, if we restrict ourselves to reality and avoid faster than light travel,
> there is no way we are going to get anywhere besides our own solar system in
> any
> reasonable time. It would need to by planet trudge rather than star trek.
> 
> Mike


Not really.  Where Einstein taketh away he also giveth, so to speak.  A fast
enough ship going 90% of the speed of light could travel around good chunks of
the galaxy within the human lifetime, but only in the perspective of the people
on the ship.  Give it 99% of the speed of light (far beyond current technology
but feasable with current theory) you could trek around to OTHER galaxies, all
within the human lifetime.  Of course, don't expect to go back to the Earth and
find anyone there, millions of years will have passed on Earth.  But if you get
a big enough ship, self-contained and self-sufficient (sound like any
artisically designed TV ships we know?) you COULD have a "real" Star Trek.  You
could visit everyone, but only once of course...

All this admittedly fascinating potential IS possible WITHOUT FTL drive!  Why
have we never seen shows like this?  (Well, there are a million reasons, but
never mind) Oh well, I'll stick to Star Trek, I don't really mind all the
logical flaws and technological doubtfuls, just give me a decent story with
some good acting.  Most of the stuff where Patrick Stewart figured prominently
HAS been like that, IMO.

--
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---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:TNG already translated?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:47:52 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

I would like to know if the series has been translated, in particularly
if the French version exists somewhere.  I know it may take years
to get the translation, but I catch more easier TV shows in my
native language (which is not comparable with reading since I can
take my time to read or write a text).  If no translation at all
are available, then I will eventually make the effort of listening
the original version (we ahve french and english local TV networks),
but if I just have to wait one more year, I can wait (I'm not that
trekky!).

Funny thing about the translation:
We get the TV series translated in Montreal (i.e. with Quebec accent)
and the Movies translated in France.  In the Montreal version, Spoke
has a neutral accent that must be close to Nimoy original voice.
In the France version, Spoke voice is more colored, too much
interpreted.  If lucky enough, we will have some good translation!

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