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From: cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Dukes)
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.152546.17367@fuug.fi> an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:
>	because they give that smooth feel under a slip/dress. What I have been
>	a little surprised to find out, is that most of the people in this
>	newsgroup have bought (relatively) exprensive "breasts" and go to pains
>	to attach them. After of course learning that less is more in the area
>	of breasts, both on me and on my girlfriends, I had sewn a pair of 
>	"falsies" that fit perfect, and look perfect (to me at least - alas -
>	there's NO WAY I could pass). Am I the only girl out here that doesn't
>	have a real set of substitutes? I guess it'd be interesting to know
>	what the "most used" breast substitute is. 
Hmmm I myself have stuck to properly folded socks mostly.  The most effective
means I have seen was nothing more than one of those bras that comes padded.  
And well one of these days I'm going to sit down with a cookbook, find the
recipe for jello that doesn't melt when you take it on a July picnic, and
try bags of jello. (A friend of mine who has been frequently involved in the
theatre and knows about me swears that they give the most realistic effect
on the stage.).

Kristine/Chris   
>
>					- Shannon
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From: cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Dukes)
Subject: Re: A texture affinity
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In article <1992Dec27.193531.19824@fuug.fi> an866@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Just thought I'd say that certain fabrics feel better than others.
>Especially as underware.
>Antron III, Ravisant, Poly Satin.
>Now, if men's underware manufactuers would just get it together and
>offer briefs in these fabrics, I wouldn't have to shop in the Ladies
>section.

Thought for food.  More and more you find women, IE your mother, your
significant other, whomever, buying clothes for me.  This has had enough of
an effect in the market alreadythat some names that used to just bring
women's wear to mind, are now in the men's section too.  Either talk to
the person that buys your clothes, or send mail to the folks that make
your clothes.

Chris/Kristine 
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From: an3777@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Test
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:20 GMT

This is a test.
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From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Hi Everyone!
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:00:39 GMT
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Like the subject says... Hi Everyone!
	This newsgroup has helped me so much in being honest with myself in my
	love of crossdressing. It's been very helpful to know that I'm not
	alone in my fondness for the snug security and sensuality of lingerie,
	dresses and high heels. I only wish that I could pass, but I'm one of
	those six-foot, muscular, hairy shells. (alas...) But anyway, the great
	acceptance of this newsgroup as a communication forum for all of us
	"sisters" is very comforting, and I want everyone who has written to
	the group in the past to know that in each post, I've related to the
	thoughts and feelings of the sender, and felt great comfort in them 
	being there. 
				Have a Merry Christmas and Thanks

							- Shannon
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From: an3952@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Hey
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:52:04 GMT



>Hmm i cant seem to send the help.anoin.penet.fi a message to get a user id 
>it reutrns my mail to me. Also im looking on having the Cd forum sent to
>my box on freentet. Any help on therse matters would be appreciated H

I just used the service for the first time last night.  It automatically
assigns an anoymous ID on your first usage.  If you want to post to a
specific newsgroup, send your message to

	NEWS_GROUP@anon.penet.fi

and if it is the first time you've used it, the message will be posted and
you will receive mail in return letting you know what your ID is.

For example, I'm using the nn 'r' command for this response and I
specified alt.transgendered@anon.penet.fi for the "To:".

					Megan

(Here's hoping the message actually makes it, seeing this is my
 second use of it)

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From: an4374@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Happy New Year
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:08:10 GMT

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Have a Very Happy and exciting New Year!

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From: ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The Dark Kitty)
Subject: Re: Curious
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:01:53 GMT

In article <20DEC92.18853547.0188@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> N2SX <N2SX@UNB.CA> writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.040950.25071@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> mamacdonald@mta.ca (Steve MacDonald) writes:
>>  Could someone please explain to me just how they get the rich
>>creamy chocolate inside the Caramilk bar?  Thanks.
>>
>>                                          Don Guerdo
>>.
>>.
Well, they use transporter technology.  Yes, it's true.  The 'beam' the
chocolate into the bar.  Only problem is when Troi comes along and
tries to dive into the transporter beam to get the chocolate and ends
up inside a candy bar.

Sheila - heh heh  (When the cat's away, the mice will play)

By the way, I hate to ask but what does this question have to do with
transgenderism?
From: an3982@anon.penet.fi (Mary Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: mens briefs
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:06:58 GMT
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I, too, would prefer mens underwear in the nice fabrics.
So far, the two most interesting possibilities are:

Nylon.  K-Mart sells these in 5-packs in various colors.  It's not
quite the same nylon - this stuff is softer and more absorbant.
Turns out this is an advantage, since there's no paper at the urinal.
Women's underwear puts the absorbant panel too low.  But the K-Mart
stuff has a killer elastic waistband and tends to be cut funny if
you don't watch out.  (High hips, mesh panels, etc.)

Silk.  Feels very nice.  Turns out there is a glut of silk shirts on the
market right now, you can find them for $20 at many discount stores.
Silk boxers can be found for $10 in some places.  You can also order
knit silk briefs from WinterSilks - it's not quite as nice but still
very decent - I think they are $12 and up.

You may also be able to find nylon pants made of similar material sold
as jogging outfits in athletic stores.  I also found one pair of silk
pants with a nylon lining at a liquidator for $10 - wish I'd found more!

Hugs,

	Mary Ann
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From: an330@anon.penet.fi (Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:37:24 GMT
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In alt.transgendered Kristine/Chris wrote:

>Hmmm I myself have stuck to properly folded socks mostly.  The most effective
>means I have seen was nothing more than one of those bras that comes padded.  
>And well one of these days I'm going to sit down with a cookbook, find the
>recipe for jello that doesn't melt when you take it on a July picnic, and
>try bags of jello. (A friend of mine who has been frequently involved in the
>theatre and knows about me swears that they give the most realistic effect
>on the stage.).

I tried folded pantyhose, but they looked kind of lumpy.  Then I sent
away for a breast prosthesis catalogue... too expensive.  The cheapest
set started at over $350.

So now I use water balloons.  Amazingly, they look fairly realistic and
jiggly.  The key is to keep the size down - make them too big and they look
ridiculous!

I may try some cheaper breast prostheses if I get the nerve to buy them...

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From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.012019.25578@colorado.edu>, devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (No one in particular) writes:

>I have a 'real' set of substitutes (masectomy prostheses), but before I
>had them I often used old stockings filled with birdseed.  If you make
>sure to size them small enough, they work well.  :)
>
>			-Deb

Wouldn't that tend to attract birds?

I use those fuzzy little "basketballs" commonly found in toy stores.  One of
those, cut in halves (called "hemispheres") is a good size and firmness.  Shape
leaves something to be desired, though.  And the colors they come in are
unreal.

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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone - Happy New Year!
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:33:58 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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Happy New Year all.  Since we're swapping New Year's Eve tales:

I did a variation of my Halloween costume, which was a
punk/slut/SM kinda thang: black leather miniskirt, black fishnet hose,
red stiletto heels, red bra with black chemise, a few silver necklaces,
black leather fingerless gloves, leather jacket, steel chain locked
around my waist with handcuffs dangling from it, dark red nails,
black lipstick, and a hint of purple freshly dyed into my hair.
(All right, so this sounds different from the way most of y'all
dress on your outings; it's still crossdressing! :-)  It was  
my first crossdressing since Halloween; part of me was nervous about
doing it without the socially acceptable excuse of Halloween, but
I went with my instincts, which said "go for it".  The evening consisted
of a party at friends' house for about 4 hours first: mostly friends
I knew were there and who'd seen me in drag during October one or more
times.  A few strangers were there who seemed to take it perfectly
in stride, which I found rather nice and encouraging.  Around 1am,
I went with my girlfriend to a "Rave", which was a strange big alternative
music scene at a warehouse in downtown Austin with live music, weird
robotics and computer graphics happenings, dancing, "brain drinks",
performance art, and general technoweirdness.  We only saw one other
guy in drag, but nonetheless I fit in QUITE well.  Several times
people commented favorably, and there was no negative reaction.
Context is everything... don't think it would go over so well at
the office Monday. :-)

Russ
From: an852@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Hello
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:54:34 GMT
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From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Wearing Bras
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:03:12 GMT


their "pointy" shape; I can't pass the pencil test.  However, my nipples are sti----

"Pencil test"?  Alright, girl, I'm
DYING to ask...

-WHAT- is the Pencil test?

-- 
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I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
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From: an880@anon.penet.fi (nickname - Elaine)
Subject: 12 Days of Christmas
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:56:18 GMT

Hi Tierney!!  Honey, I'd love to go shopping with you sometime!

To all you wonderful people reading this service...HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!

                                        Love my lingerie,
                                        Elaine
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From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: Wearing Bras
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: AEGIS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:21:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.202537.2828@fuug.fi>, an3777@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> 
> Since following this group from its inception I have seen many postings about
> how enjoyable the feel of stockings are.  For me wearing a bra provides a
> sensual feeling.  I have been cross-dressing since the age of 5, but since
> puberty the focal point(s) for my "femininity" has been my breasts.  When I was
> 13 my nipples started swelling and became very sensitive.  The feel of any 
> satiny material on my nipples, such as negligees or soft cup
> bras, gave me intense pleasure.  Although, can hardly say that my breasts are
> fully developed, when I wear a size A or AA cup bra it looks naturally filled
> and feels "right."  Of course when not wearing a bra my breasts do not retain
> their "pointy" shape; I can't pass the pencil test.  However, my nipples are still soft and protrude noticably from my chest.  Needless to say having my breasts fondled and sucked are my favorite form of foreplay.  
> 
> I would be interested in knowing if other cross-dressers have similar feelings
> about their breasts.
> 
> Love,
> 
> Andrea
> 

A good friend of my is a partial "suffer" of AIS (Androgen
Insencitivity Syndron). That is her body does not properly
process (in her case, some) testosterone. Though born "male"
at the age of 15 she started growing breast. By 18
she had B cup breast. When she went on estrogen in her
50's, it jumped to a size C!
 Her favorite forplay was to have her
nipples kissed. Her breast caused her a lot of embarresmen.
She was the only football player at her college with "tits"
and always took extra laps so she could shower alone.

A cousin of hers has full blown AIS and found out she was
a "XY" woman. She was  tested to find out why she couldn't get
pregnet (she is married). The testes of AIS women must
be removed because they become cancerous in later life. Since
they have not decended, they are where the overies would be
found.

Remember, 1 in 500 has a different genataila than their chromosone
call for!

Love and hugs,

Celeste
From: an3982@anon.penet.fi (Mary Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: What is the Pencil Check
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:21:38 GMT
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Ann Landers (or was it Abby?) invented the pencil test.
It's to tell if a woman needs a bra.  You stand, naked,
and put a pencil under your breast, then let go of the breast.
If the pencil stays, you need a bra.  If it falls, it's OK to
go braless.

Hugs,

	Mary Ann

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From: mag@nexus.yorku.ca (Michael Gilbert)
Subject: Error in Posting
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:08:56 GMT

~S!

The posting sent to this group over the name 'Shelley'  had my
headers and .signature.  It should not have.  The message was not posted
by me.  No one, however, is at fault.

Thank you.



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From: an4340@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Awakenings
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:20:49 GMT
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Erika, what a wonderfully rich tapestry of stories you have caused to ravel through your theme of "Awakenings!". Fascinating, compellingly honest reading.
Thankyou,
Tara.
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From: reykja@col.hp.com (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Me? Clueless? Naaah :)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 08:58:18 GMT
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rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson) writes:
> 
> Same here -- to an extent. I don't like women to look as 'butchy' as I
> do but I am totally turned off by lots of cosmetics, high heels and
> crap like that. Bleah. 
> 
> But -- thanks! :-)

I think it would be hard to *be* more butchy than G! :) 

Are you the same Gisle who used to live in Temple City? 

> 
> : things we have to be told before we realize them to be true?) anyway,
> : back to what gisle said.  you wouldn't happen to have broad shoulders,
> : dark hair, and a big friendly smile when you're not scowling, would
> : you?  ahh, no matter.
> 
> I have a rather blank looking expression actually -- until I get to 
> know someone. Then I will smile. I am not what one would call a "cheerful"
> type. More "fuck with me and you're dead" type look. (grin) ah. I come
> from Los Angeles. It is self-defense. :-)
> 
Yep. You must be the same one! The description fits. 
Okay. E-mail me, G! 

Just for everyone's information, this description is right on target. :-) 
This is a person who smiles *only* with her eyes. 

G, if you read this, I would really like to hear from you. I think you
probably remember me well enough --I was the other token Scandinavian 
in TC. I have lots of wild stories to tell you about folks from the past. 
Where on earth *are* you anyway? And when did you ever manage to scratch
together the cash to get Internet? :-) 

Say hi to Robyn for me. (Hi, Robyn!) She *is* still there, isn't she? :-)


Waiting to hear from you..

  me


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From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Subject: Just Checking...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:56:52 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Just testing to make sure... 
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From: an3501@anon.penet.fi (Joni Z )
Subject: Hello world!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:39:46 GMT

Hi,

  I'd just like to add my voice to the growing din and say that this really
a nifty notes group.  Happy New Year everyone!

		Joni Z
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