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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: More unique?  polique!
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:21:32 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul22201000@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.145301@IASTATE.EDU>, mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) writes:
> 
>> Um, Ted, I don't know how to tell you this, but...polynomial and polystyrene
>> both have the short 'i' sound too.  A brief (very brief!) perusal of my
>> dictionary indicates that "poly" words take the short 'i' sound if poly-
>> is followed by a consonant, and take the long 'e' sound if poly-  is 
>> followed by a vowel (e.g. polyandry, polyester).  
> 
> Oh?
> 
> In the first place, polystyrene is pronounced with a long
> "e", not a short "i", which violates your rule
> 
Like all discussions about pronunciation on a.u.e, this one is more or less
pointless. It depends on your accent, which depends on where you were brought
up. FWIW, I pronounce "polystyrene" and "polynomial" with a short I sound, and
agree with Marie about polyandry and polyester.

> And what about:
>   polytonal
>   polytheism
>   polytechnic
>   polyzoic
>   polysyllabic
> 
All with an EE sound which is so shortened as to be virtually indistinguishable
form the short I sound of "polynomial"

> and so on for a very long way.  You need a better rule.
> 
How about "Whatever is easier to say is correct"

>> So it seems to me "polyque"
>> would be pronounced 'pol-li-queue' or possibly 'pol-lick' or even (someone
>> else suggested this!) 'pol-li-kay'.  My own vote is for 'pol-lick'.  
>                                              
I disagree with the comparison. "polyque" is constructed, by analogy with
"unique" as "poly" with a sort of suffix. In all the other words mentioned,
"poly" is a prefix. 

> I would be inclined to spell it "polique", but in either
> case I would pronounce it as "pol-eek", in parallel with
> unique.
> 

I agree with Mark here. However, the word "multique" seems to be a much better
word, for several reasons. It has a Latin/pseudo(?)-French derivation, like
"unique"; "unus/multus" are in some way opposed in Latin; "multique" has a
more obvious pronunciation than "polyque". And so on.

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: English English versus *American* English
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:59:11 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

Gidday. Now there's this bloke wants to know if this
whole "English versus American" thing has bin done before.
Done?, I sez, Done, mate? Done to bloody death, I told him
ya bloody galah, look, yer floggin' a dead 'orse, mate, I sez
This topic? Jeez, it's bin hangin' around like bush flies on
a wombat carcass.

-m.

(sorry, not very good at Strine, but it had to be done)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: "French" spacing (was: How many spaces after a period?)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:50:11 GMT

In article <james.711768891@cs.anu.edu.au>, james@cs.anu.edu.au (James Popple) writes:

> I suspect that we Australians inherited these terms (or at least this
> use of the word "french") from the British.  Although it is possible
> that french knitting originated in France, I seriously doubt that
> either french cricket or the french cut is French.  Another example
> might be "french leave": is it supposed to be the French way of taking
> leave, or the abnormal way?  (I guess that "french kiss" and "french
> letter" fall into a different category.)

Just as a matter of interest, here is how the French say some of these
things:

   to take French leave:  filer a l'anglaise
                          (to go away in the English manner)

   French letter:         capote anglais    (English hood - I'm not
                                 certain of the spelling of this one)

There are quite a few examples like this, although I can't think of
more at the moment.  The English are usually the culprits.

One which has always amused me is "filet americain": American fillet.
This refers to a dish made with uncooked ground beef.  (Not just lightly
cooked, but completely uncooked.)  How did this ever get to be thought
of as an American recipe?  Most Americans I know use the term "rare"
(in reference to a steak, for example) to mean what I would call
"well done", so I find it hard to imagine that raw meat would be a
popular dish in the US.

Peter.
From: scjones@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Use of "dereference"
Keywords: "dereference"
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:55:53 GMT

In article <11454725.19.712045108@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 11454725@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JOLAN EVANS) writes:
> 	In one of my first year computer science subjects my lecturer uses 
> the word dereference. From the context in which he uses it, to my best 
> knowledge, it means "given a reference to a variable x, obtain its value". I 
> can not find it in The Macquarie Dictionary ( a relatively large Australian 
> English language dictionary), Revised Edition or the Hamlyn Dictionary of 
> Computing. The Macquarie Dictionary, Revised Edition is a little dated do I 
> was wondering if it's in any larger and/or more up to date dictionary/
> dictionary of computing. My immeditate thoughts as to the etymology if it is 
> a recently invented word is the contraction of "decode" and "reference". Any 
> thoughts?

No, it's just a made-up inverse of the verb reference.  You reference an
object to get a reference, you dereference the reference to get back to
the object.  It's certainly a jargon term -- I don't believe I've ever
heard anyone other than C programmers use the term.  The definitive
reference for computer jargon is the so-called jargon file which is
maintained by Eric Raymond and has been published as "The New Hacker's
Dictionary."
----
Larry Jones, SDRC, 2000 Eastman Dr., Milford, OH  45150-2789  513-576-2070
Domain: lawrence.jones@sdrc.com               IBMMAIL: USSDR7DR at IBMMAIL
Your gender would be a lot more tolerable if it wasn't so darn cynical!
-- Calvin
From: ahanysz@spam.ua.oz (Alexander Hanysz)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Infinities (was Re: Take Back the Dildo)
Summary: Uncountable ones are bigger!
Keywords: infinity
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:56:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Pure Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1992Jul28.115531.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
>I use the same word: uncountable infinities.  An uncountable infinity
>may be more infinite than a countable infinity, but it's not more
>unique.

This is right.  An uncountable infinity is bigger than a countable one,
in a way that can be made mathematically precise.  (Sorry, I don't have
time to type out a lecture on different types of infinity right now.
Yell if you're really keen to learn some mathematics!)

>What does this have to do with dildoes?

I'd like to know too!

								Alex.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Subject: Re: American Heritage vs. Websters 9th
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:42:49 GMT

>I've always like American Heritage, but my copy is twenty years old.
>I know there is a much newer edition available, but I hesitate to
>buy it because most of the reviews I've seen stress its "political
>correctness", and I'm concerned that words have been deleted or
>definitions re-written with more concern for PC than accuracy. I
>suppose I can buy the new one for the new words and keep the old one
>for the "real" definitions. 
>Any comments?

i use (and swear by) the second college edition of the american heritage 
dictionary.  it is copyrighted in 1982 and 1985; new enough to have the 
'new' words, and old enough to avoid the wretched politically-correct
movement.




________________________________________________________________________
pat parker
mississippi state university
plp1@ra.msstate.edu
________________________________________________________________________
"They're not leeches, they're scientologists!"
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: English English versus *American* English
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu's message of Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:34:18 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<keRU3yK00iUx07W1p6@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<SLAGLE.92Jul29185751@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>
	<1992Jul30.053418.1215@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:03:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.053418.1215@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:

> In article <SLAGLE.92Jul29185751@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>>In article <keRU3yK00iUx07W1p6@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Benjamin D. Lukoff" <bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>> I know people have already written about this, but do you honestly
>>> think a bunch of Americans sat around a table and said, "well, let's
>>> switch around the r and e in 'theatre', that'll piss the British off"?

>>That's why I do it.  Is there another reason?

> Ha ha ha......the words right from the horse's mouth!
> Isn't it demeaning to wage war against language?
> what a pity!

...Whizz... 

Sheeeeit, thar goes anuther a them dang deals!
Whut the hell wus that sucka, enaway?
--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi)
Subject: Re: English English versus *American* English
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:06:26 GMT

In article <84767@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.195833.23239@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
>>If it wasn't  ---->  I have no repeat NO grudge against Americans, in fact
>>                     I find most of them very very friendly. Besides I 
>>                    usually never look at what country, race, etc. an
>>                     individual belongs to, when I make friends. The same
>>                     would hold true if I ever found myself in the position
>>                     of hiring a new worker in the US. I would evaluate him
>>                     for his qualities, not for his nationality, race. etc.
>
>
>But God help him if he misspelt his resume!  
>
>You know, Mandar, you'd like our Vice President.  Now, that's a man
>who can spell.

Ha ha ha.... I love your sense of humOur!     {:-)
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: English English versus *American* Engli
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

>      Exactly the point which was trying to drive home....no single
>individual has the authority to change the language. The spelling 
How about "every individual has.. ". More rhetorical punch.  (-:

>can be changed only if a majority of it's native speakers (I mean
>the English, here) concur. You chaps seem to have wreaked a war on
>the language, which is most shameful! Why deface such a beautiful 
>language?

You deny the right of a whole nation (even your own!) to govern
its language? (talk to a Fleming about preserving dialects)

Look at it this way. What the Americans appear to have done is
ruled off the English language at the point of independence and
used it as the basis for their own language.
If it doesn't drift that's nice and we can all talk. If it does
drift then - there you go, it drifted. Many language developments
follow the spoken language (comments?) which is governed by the
sound of the language. If you think it's ugly, there might be a
music there that you don't appreciate. Does that make more smileys?

-m.
From: futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Words that peeve me
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:00:22 GMT
Organization: CSo @ LLNL

thusly

I loathe that word!
--
__
\/ -+- randy -+- all generalizations are flawed -+- futor@llnl.gov

Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.lang.postscript,comp.text
From: daili@Sun-Robot.eng.ufl.edu (DaiLi)
Subject: Zapf Dingbats Characters ReEncoding?
Reply-To: daili@Sun-Robot.nuceng.ufl.edu (DaiLi)
Organization: U of Florida, Nuclear Robotics 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 02:17:21 GMT

Hi,

Can anybody out there give me a hint how to ReEncode the Zapf Dingbats'
encoded characters?  I knew the octal values for each character, but I 
could not really access them. 

Thanks in advance..


Haiquan Dai

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From: hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu (Henry J. Cobb)
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.lang.postscript,comp.text
Subject: Update to: /usr/lib/transcript/ditroff.font/afmdit ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:16:29
Organization: /rubin/hcobb/.organization
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fly2.berkeley.edu


	I've found afmdit on my NeXT, but I need a version for SVR4
(which uses a 3-table file for devpost).

	Does anybody know if Adobe has done anything with this (since
1987 !?! ), or if I'll have to hack the AWK code myself?
--
	Henry J. Cobb	hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu	SFB Tyrant
		"This space intended to be blank."
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From: florence@infonode.ingr.com (John Florence)
Subject: Re: <None>
Summary: GUESS WHAT ?????
	 Just happen to have....
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.063229.1@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi>> 
> Hello !
> 
> I am looking for Opel GT, a german "sports" car. I'm trying to find such car
> and bring in Finland, when age of car goes over 25 years.After that you don't
> need to pay so many taxes of it. First model is 1968, but only 500 has built.
> In 1969 amount is 30000. So if you know cars or information, please let me
> know.
> 
	Just happen to have a 1969 I'm willing to part with for
	the right offer.................
	
	Original as possible......stock carb. had to go   !!!yuuuccckkkk
	now has Webber carb and as "they say" she'll scoot.........
	
	starter gone........no time..............has been sitting up for
	six months.........................working on 1964 Olds now....
	
	how ya' gonna get it to Finland ??????????

-- 
   John N. Florence     **** All opinions expressed herein are mine
   Intergraph Corp.     **** and mine alone. ****
   Huntsville, Al.      uunet!infonode!florence OR florence@infonode.ingr.com
   O.K., O.K. !!!! .....I'm voting AGAINST Bush and FOR change...............
From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: 1966 Mustang Coupe
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:46:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: baja.corp.sun.com
Keywords: 
 
    I recently bought a 66 Mustang Coupe thats in very good shape but
    the body is showing some signs of rust under the paint.  I don't 
    know if there is any bondo used on the car but if there is, should
    I replace those parts?  
    
    I live in San Jose, CA.  Does anyone know about how much I should
    expect to pay for a complete/good paint job.  Is it best to go
    to a Mustang only shop for a paint job or will about any car paint
    shop do?  
    
    Thanks,
    
    Brian



Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jbunting@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (James Bunting)
Subject: army jeep info needed
Summary: jeep
Keywords: army jeep
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:08:24 GMT

Hello,
	I am looking for some infomation on army jeeps, built between 1943-
'49 (I think) by Willy's. Any info at all would be helpful, especially 
about there restoration. Also if there are any books on the subject
the books name and author would be most helpful. Thanks in advance!!

Please reply to    jbunting@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on light rolling chassis
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:08:44 GMT

How about a T bucket? These can be built to way under 2,000 pounds even 
with a small block V-8. Frames are extremely simple, and the suspension 
and brakes can be as wild as you like with readily available aftermarket
parts.
  If you want an enclosed car, a Crosley would be just the ticket. The 
stock engine was about the size of the Kawi, and as it was alloy the 
weight may even be similar. Of course, finding one may be difficult. Most
I've seen have been on the roofs of used car lots. They did have a real 
frame though. Most of the other small lightweights I can think of were 
unibodies.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Info on 1960 Chevy Trucks
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:34:27 GMT
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article <15534@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, SDDASCOMB@poppy.ucdavis.edu (STEVEN D. DASCOMB) writes:
> 
> I recently got a '60 Chevy truck to restore and I need:
>   1. Info on any good mail order parts houses.

Pick up a copy of Hemming's Motor News at your friendly neighborhood newstand.
They will have ads for a number of vendors, including Jim Carter Antique
Truck Parts (no relation to former president) and Golden State Truck Parts.
Email me if you can't find addresses/ phone #s.

>   2. Manuals
>   3. Info on any good books that have I.D. info on older Chevy Pick-ups

See #1 above.

>   4. Any problems with '60 283 V8's?

None that I have heard of. Basic Chevy small block with the early bugs worked
out. Should be fairly good unless it's been beat around.

>   5. Any other help.

The biggest problem with '60s Chevy trucks is that they don't seem to have
quite the following of the '50s and early '70s versions. Seem to be a bit 
more prone to rust too. This may make finding parts slightly more difficult
than it should be.
> 
> Steve Dascomb, UC Davis  California

 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
From: montnaro@ausable.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Some parts available from burned-out hulks
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:22:49 GMT
Reply-To: montanaro@crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Distribution: alt
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

As several folks pointed out, I neglected to give any clue as to the
location of the Jag, Panhard, Corvair, and MG hulks. They are in Glenville,
NY, near Albany.

--
Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: garnett@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Roger Garnett)
Subject: Re: what welder to use for exhaust
Organization: Cornell University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.183955.5838@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wpc@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Claspy) writes:
>
>I'm planning on welding up some custom exhaust pipes and all the recent
>talk about MIG and TIG has me wondering which I should use.  I'm hoping
>to use stainless pipes and welding on flanges where the pipes bolt up

With stainless, you'll need stainless rods or wire. ArCO2 is the preferred
gas for stainless.

  Roger Garnett              (Roger_Garnett@cornell.edu)
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: How do you remove the headliner (on a 65 Dodge)?
Summary: Very carefully    :-)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:14:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article <1992Jul23.002039.24545@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
> There have been times when I have been amused by stories of the headliners
> 
> But I now want to partially remove my headliner (65 Dodge polara) in order
> to replace the bead (or whatever that 1/2 inch diameter thing is that runs
> between the edge of the door and headliner).

It's called the windlace.

> 
> I can't figure it out.  Anyone know?

In general, headliners of that era are supported by about a half dozen spring
steel bows that run side-to-side. The front and back are held in place by the
metal trim at the top of the windshield and back glass, and the sides are
carefully stuffed in a crevice or behind a metal trim piece. Remove the front
metal trim piece, carefully bend back and remove the bows, and pull loose the
headliner at the sides. Be careful, though - the sides may be tacked around 
the  windlace. Be double careful since old headliner fabric is notoriously
fragile.
 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
From: montnaro@ausable.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Some parts available from burned-out hulks
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: montanaro@crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Distribution: alt
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY


A month or so ago I was out and about on my bicycle and zipped by a burned
out building with what appeared to be several burned out hulks in front of
it.  This evening I happened to be back in that vicinity in my TR and
stopped by to see what was up.

A man was loading up a huge dumpster with lots of rubbish. We chatted for a
few minutes. It turns out he (Phil) suffered a fire in March that totalled
the building and its contents. Unfortunately, none of the cars was insured
:(. In front of the building were the following hulks:

	MGA coupe

	'63 Jag Mark 10 saloon

	Corvair convertible

	'64 Panhard

Underneath tarps were a '36 Renault and a '38 Panhard, I believe. He is
going to keep them, at least for the time being. The other four cars are
potentially available. It's hard to judge what the condition of any of the
vehicles is, since they burned and have been sitting outside since March,
but there is potentially some salvageable metal there. If you are interested
in any of them, reply to me and I will try and get you in touch with Phil.

--
Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique