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From: melanie@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Melanie Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Reply-To: msh@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:51:38 GMT

dsmith@atlastele.com (Doug Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.031054.24594@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel) writes:
>>Text of Article Follows from The New York Times, 11/12/92:
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>
>>MORRIS, Conn., Nov. 11 (AP) - A jogger on a dirt road was shot
>>and killed today by a deer hunter in this town in rural
>>northwestern Connecticut, the state police Said.
>>   The state police said the victim, Kevin Ellioott, 33 years old,
>>of Terryville, was running on Pitch Road near the Pitch Reservoir
>>when he was killed by a single blast from a shotgun. He was
>>wearing a blue jogging suit, the police said.
>
>I know little about guns and even less about hunting, but do people
>use shotguns to hunt deer with? Don't you need to be close to
>your target when using a shotgun? Also, isn't it illegal to discharge
>a firearm across a road?

yes. yes. yes.

where i come from hunting deer with a high-powered rifle is illegal
because there are too many people about. shotguns have a much shorter
range. in many areas it is illegal to discharge a firearm across a
road.

several years ago i was shot at (but fortunately not hit) by an
irresponsible, probably drunken, 'weekend hunter'. i was near a
hedgerow in an unmowed hayfield, and i was wearing a flourescent orange
(hunter-safety orange) down vest. while i admit to having brown eyes,
the rest of me doesnt look a whole lot like a deer. what this goof
thought he was doing i will never know as i thought it more prudent to
leave the area than approach this individual and point out his mistake.

it is *not safe* in the country during hunting season. the great
majority of hunters are responsible individuals engaging in a legal and
to them enjoyable sport. however, all it takes is one irresponsible,
juvenile idiot to frighten, maim, or kill you. don't run on back
country roads. don't go into woods, hayfields or brushy areas. if you
see cars parked alongside a road, assume there are hunters about and
choose another area to run in.

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Subject: Re: Mileage meters
From: F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:17:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: mileage bicycles
Summary: Measuring courses
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>Does anyone know where you can get the 'gadget' which is attached
>to a bicycle and then used to measure distances? 

Bike shops.   

>I know they are
>often used by race officials to lay out a certified course.
>What are they correctly called?

Bicycle computers.   Briefly, there are many models.   You only need
the most basic as I presume you're not interested in speed, max speed,
time elapsed or altitude of the bicycle.   They are only as accurate 
as the wheel circumference calibration you enter into the computer (read the
manual): you should measure wheel circumference whilst the bike is weighted
with the rider, at precisely the tyre pressure you intend using during
the measurement.   This is best achieved by painting some bright and viscous 
substance in a narrow line across the tyre and riding slowly down a smooth 
path.   Measure distance between the marks.

Certified courses are ***not** measured with bike computers, but with a
hand-pushed wheel with a solid tyre (to reduce pressure variation), bearing
a device similar to a bike computer.   The odometer on older models operates
mechanically rather than electronically.

Cheers,

Frith

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From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Mileage meters
Keywords: mileage bicycles
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1eot7eINNmar
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <857@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>Does anyone know where you can get the 'gadget' which is attached
>to a bicycle and then used to measure distances? I know they are
>often used by race officials to lay out a certified course.
>What are they correctly called?
>-- 
>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
  Try college and/or high school track and cross country coaches,
  running shops that sponsor races, TAC or whoever, the highway
  patrol, highway department.

  Also, you can get the bike mileage meter at any bike shop in the
  world.  They have s a certain acccuracy problem though, depending
  on where on the wheel you put the meter-reader.  If you're laying
  out a race for certification, bet the wheel-thingy you puch.

  Also, try a surveyer.  they have some of that stuff.

  Good luch,
  Jay
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
  e
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:49:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Robert Byron Lowrie (lowrie@advection.engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: 
: My point, which you deleted, is that hunting is a legal activity,
: whereas driving drunk and/or blindfolded are illegal.  Therefore, I
: believe, and I think generally law in the U.S. would back me up (I'm
: no lawyer), is that the punishment should be less in this case.  The
: reason is that driving drunk or blindfolded are *premeditated*
: reckless actions, whereas I doubt (although it could be the case) Mr.
: Cook *intended* to shoot "anything that moves" the day he went
: hunting.  If, for instance, Mr. Cook boasted to friends before he went
: hunting that he was going to shoot anything that moves, then I agree
: with you.
:

I hate to call bullshit twice, but bullshit bullshit. Driving blindfolded is
probably not even illegal. Killing someone while driving blindfolded is, 
because it's negligent. If Cook intended to shoot anything that moves, 
including people, then it's premeditated murder. If he didn't intend to but
does it anyway, it's negligent homicide which is a crime. He doesn't have
to boast, he doesn't have to be a jerk, he just has to kill someone through
his own negligence.
 
: In these cases, I've heard that the hunter truly believes the person
: he/she shot was a deer; I think they call this "Buck Fever".
: -- 

Then maybe he's found innocent by reason of temporary insanity. The public
interest is not served by not charging him.
From: lawrence@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (peter r lawrence    )
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Anodyne/Skylon/Exult-?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 06:38:55 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov20.133006.1@pomona.claremont.edu> mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>has good/bad reviews of the Asics Exults.  Are they worht the price?  How is
>the cushioning, and how is the support?
>
I tried them awhile ago, after the gel III's -- They were hard, and were quite
uncomfotable.  but that's just what I thought.
		pete
>
From: harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Open season on runners (jogger is killed)
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:55:33 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

In article <1992Nov17.034407.6757@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel) writes:
>In article <BxtFFF.Bu6@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> rayman@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Raymond Goure) writes:
>>
>>
>>....In Colorado it is illegal to be in a state hunting area
>>during big game season without 500 sqr inches
>>of blaze orange on the upper body, and wear a blaze orange hat...
>>I run 50 mile weeks out of the Denver downtown area and am keenly
>>aware of the traffic laws, thus keeping safe in an area of great harm.
>>Be aware of your surroundings and we won't have to suffer another lose.
>
>This is a classic example of BLAMING THE VICTIM.
>
>Don't you think the hunter deserves blame?
>Don't you think the prey should be identified before shooting?
>

Blaming the victim?  Blaming the victim?  It sounds a lot like "how to keep
from dieing" to me.  Anybody else feel this way?  I would much rather take
precautions than trust my life to some trigger-happy wacko with a gun.

Sure the hunter deserves blame.  I think the guy should pay just as much
as the next guy.  This surely doesn't mean that we shouldn't take
precautions.


Sean Harp
From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Mileage meters
Date: 24 Nov 92 15:23:28 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1eot7eINNmar@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
> In article <857@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>>Does anyone know where you can get the 'gadget' which is attached
>>to a bicycle and then used to measure distances? I know they are
>>often used by race officials to lay out a certified course.
>>What are they correctly called?
>>-- 
>>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
>   Try college and/or high school track and cross country coaches,
>   running shops that sponsor races, TAC or whoever, the highway
>   patrol, highway department.
> 
>   Also, you can get the bike mileage meter at any bike shop in the
>   world.  They have s a certain acccuracy problem though, depending
>   on where on the wheel you put the meter-reader.  If you're laying
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     ????: It doesn't matter where on the wheel you put it ALL parts of the
wheel will pass the forks on the bike once every revolution..

It is the radius or circumference of the wheel + Tyre which will dictate the
error of measurement.


Rob.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: jogging in London
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:29:49 GMT

I jogged in many of the world's large cities on trips.
The main criteria is not to get lost in a strange place.
Second, is something scenic.
Because you are female, some cultures you have to watch out for male
chavinism or worse.

I look for big green parks on city maps.
I also like rivers.
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Watch out for deer who hunt
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:38:17 GMT

After all the discussion of hunters shooting runners, I should point out
that runners are also in danger from deer!  At one of the races in Wisconsion,
there was an actual collision.  The race organizers now sell coffee mugs to
commemorate the occasion.  And I have personally come within one stride of
a collision right here in Mpls/StP.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email: gordon.chace@cdc.com or gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 10:15:17 EST
From: <IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Nike Air Pegasus vs. Air Anodyne
Distribution: na
 <BxzDtH.4D8@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>

My reply mail bounced too, but I'd like to echo Ken's thoughts about
the shoe.  I think I would recommend you buy a 1/2 size bigger than
you normally wear in Pegasus.  Has anyone else noticed that these
shoes (Anodynes) seem to shrink?  I know it sounds nuts but they
definitely seem to get smaller with wear.  My pet theory is that the
"cuts" through to midsole to help flexibility cause the shoe to
take on the profile of a banana.  I don't care, I love 'em--anoydnes
and bananas.
Bye,
Giles.
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Anodyne/Skylon/Exult-?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:05:20 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov21.232040.29400@dickens.com> lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano) writes:
>In article <By1Es5.yL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hpzg0650@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hale P Zengingonul) writes:
>>Asics is pulling out its 'Gel' series from mail order companies as 
>>Nike did with its 'Air' line.
>>
>
>Why?  I was wondering why I didn't see any Nikes in those mail order
>catalogs, and now no Asics either?  

    For Asics (and I assume for Nike as well) the company line is that
their high-tech shoes require the personal services of a knowledgable
salesperson to make sure you get the exact right shoe for you.

    There is little doubt that the real reason is the higher wholesale
prices charged to retails outlets compared to the mail-order companies, who
order shoes in quantities of tens of thousands.

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From: cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs631112)
Subject: Re: Racing wheelchairs
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:17:47 GMT

Which brings up a point I had been wondering about:

Are those who race in the wheelchair divisions always handicapped?
Or are there some who, while able to walk, would rather race on
their arms than their legs?

(I am never near enough to the front to even see the wheelchair
racers either before or after the race.)

I see no reason why walk-able atheletes should be banned from 
the wheelchair division, although I imagine that those who have to
spend their lives in wheelchairs have a decided advantage of practice.
But is there anybody who tries?

Personally, I don't have the upper body strength to push myself 
even a mile, much less the 26.2 I try to run.



-- 
                        Joshua Engel    |\
                        President,      |/ urgatorio
                                        |  roductions

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From: mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Anodyne/Skylon/Exult-?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:30:06 PST

     Having held off from changing shoes untill the end of the season (does
Southern California have seasons?), I'm poking around for new shoes...I
loved my Asics Gel-Lyte III's before being forced to switch to Air Pegasus's
for more cushioning.  However, I'm not really satisfied with the Air Pegasus's;
they feel sluggish or "dead".  Having followed the last few posts, I'll 
probably try some Air Anodynes or Skylon II's, but I'd like to ask if anyone
has good/bad reviews of the Asics Exults.  Are they worht the price?  How is
the cushioning, and how is the support?

Thanks,
__
Mark Hespenheide
mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu

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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Air Hurache?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: na,world
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.160122.6484@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
|> Since Nike comments are abundant now, I thought I'd ask if anyone
|> has Air Hurache?  They look neat, but not too promising as a 
|> running shoe.  Is there really any support with that little 
|> strap on the back?  
|> 
|> Rocky Giovinazzo
|> giovinaz@hks.hks.com
|> 
|> P.S. No... I'm not looking for a new shoe, just curious.

The Air Hurache is what it is: a light weight trainer/racer for light, efficient,
fast runners with no stride problems.  The only problem is that overly
successful marketing is causing people who need more
support/protection/stability to buy them.  Most of us will get injured if we run
in Huraches.  That does not make them a bad shoe; just the wrong shoe.
Tom
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From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Air Hurache?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na,world
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.160122.6484@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>Since Nike comments are abundant now, I thought I'd ask if anyone
>has Air Hurache?  They look neat, but not too promising as a 
>running shoe.  Is there really any support with that little 
>strap on the back?  
>
>Rocky Giovinazzo
>giovinaz@hks.hks.com
>
>P.S. No... I'm not looking for a new shoe, just curious.

I've run about 15,000 miles in the past 6 years, going through a few pairs
of Nike air Pegasus, 10 pairs of Asics (the soles on those things last about
400 miles), and 2 pairs of Huaraches.  The Huaraches are without a doubt the
softest, most comfortable pair of shoes I've ever run in.  The soles are also
extremely durable (I've got around 1500 miles on one pair and 1000 on the
other, and they might go 2000 each).  The midsole isn't breaking down at all:
they're as soft and stable now as the day I got them.

Now, I'm not all that heavy (6', 160 lb), and I my stride is pretty 
biomechanically correct, so other than mileage, I'm pretty easy on shoes,
at least as far as the midsole goes.

Five or six years ago I ran on Nikes, but the Air Max's of the time were
narrow, and they hurt my feet.  I got pissed at Nike and tried some of the
Asics, and was really happy with them, except the blown-rubber soles were
about as durable as the soles on racing shoes.  Then I decided to try the
Huaraches, and as long as they make them they're the only thing I'll train
in, they're that good.  Problem is, Nike is concerned with model years as
auto manufacturers are, and they may change a perfect thing.

p.s.  The heel strap works great, the shoes are snug without being too tight,
and more comfortable than normal shoes.

In case you haven't guessed, I'd say: if you can wear these shoes (and not
everyone can), they're the best training shoes ever.

Bill


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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Anodyne/Skylon/Exult-?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:52:58 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <By6MGv.D4J@mail.boi.hp.com> smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
>
>Even if true, the advice I've had over the phone from Rad Runner etal is
>much more knowledgable than I get from the high school football players
>who work in the shoe stores that carry these high tech shoes.

    This has also been my experience.

>Asics? What are those? They're not in the Road Runner catalog, so they must
>not be too good.

    I don't know about the most recent catalog, but they definitely have
been listed in previous editions.

-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: bond@sce.carleton.ca (Greg Bond)
Subject: Re: Anyone use Brooks Hydroflow
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:50:19 GMT

tmr@faceplnt.dr.att.com (54626-RebmanTM(DR1867)000) writes:

>I am on the brink of getting back into running after a broken ankle
>and a low grade respiratory infection.  I currently have a pair
>of Nike Anodynes and they seem to give me some slight knee problems.
>I won't buy Asics anymore due to their mail-order shennanigans.  I thinking
>about Brooks Fission (Fusion??).  Anybody used this model or Brooks
>Hydroflow's in general??  How do you like 'em?

I've had a two pairs of Brooks Magnums over the last two years. Both
pairs have utilized the Hydroflow system. One of the shoes in the
first pair blew a Hydroflow sac after no more than 100km. However,
Brooks replaced them with the next year's model free of charge. I've
put upwards of 700km on the new pair now and no sac blowout is
apparent. I find them to be a really sturdy, comfortable training
shoe. I'm beginning to get the impression that they've lost enough of
their cushioning at this point to warrant purchasing a new pair of
shoes. Does anyone have any feelings about whether 700km is a
reasonable distance for replacement? It seems a little soon to me but
perhaps this is the norm...

--
Greg Bond   ----->   bond@sce.carleton.ca  (613) 788 2600 (ext.1835)
Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University
Ottawa, ON, Canada K1S 5B6
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From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: oldest race in n.a.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:09:42 GMT
Summary:  How Old?

In article <1992Nov23.4930.4046@dosgate> "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com> writes:
>On March 28, 1993 the oldest road race in North America, "The Around the
>Bay Race" will take place. It is two years older than the Boston
>Marathon....

So, exactly HOW OLD is that?
From: wolf@doppel.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: mysterious runners deaths in Sweden
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:49:14 GMT
Reply-To: wolf@first.gmd.de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin


Yesterday, I read an article in our daily newspaper that astonished me a bit.
Here is the short essence :

Under swedish orientieering runners (excuse me if its not the correct 
translation, we call them in german 'Orientierungs-La"ufer') of the 
national elite a number of mysterious heart attack deaths happened. 
Within the last three years 7 of them died, 6 of them under 30 years.
That seems to be remarkable rate, even if one 
considers, that orienteering is quite popular in north european countries.
The last of these deaths happened not long ago, while a sauna visit after a
gentle training.  
Now a group of medicians is up to investigate these deaths, they consider a 
infection as a working hypothesis. 


Any comments ?

wolf


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