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From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.045944.12951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>There was one movie by John Abraham (MalayaLam director) "agraharaththil
>Kazhuthai"  was never released in TN theaters thanks to the Brahmin lobby.  It
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>was not allowed to be screened by the TV in its national network at the last
>minute, sorry, the last second by our ex. Hon president RV.  The story was by a
>well known Tamil literary critic Venkat Swaminathan who was a Brahmin and those
>from the Film colleges say that there is nothing against  Brahmins except the
>title.
>

To be precise, SOME influential brahmins did that, right? OR did some
association such as TAMBRAS do it? In any case, such acts are sick
and deserve condemnation.

At the same time, I challenge John Abrahams to make movies with
the following titles :

1. Maadha koyilil manidhakkurangu

2. Masoodhiyil panri

I hope this does not spark off a debate on how kazhudhai is not
half as bad as manidhakkurangu or panri.

Other attempts at censorship :

1. Around the time Vedham Pudhidhu was made, a movie was made that
criticized the reservation system. While the Brahmin group objected
to Vedham pudhidhu as being anti-brahmin (BTW, I did not think so and
I liked the movie very much), another group charged that the other
movie (I am sorry I forget the title) was glorifying brahmins. Both
movies were sort-of censored. While MGR interfered and succeeded in
lifting the ban on V.P, RV interfered and failed to remove the ban
on the other movie. Later, after some scenes were deleted, the other
movie was allowed to release.

I read this in Illustrated Weekly. But media is nothing but a brahmin
propaganda machine, right ?

2. I heard that when Muhammad bin Thuglak was released, MK said that
Cho was making fun of Muslims ... (Here, I have no proof)

3. When Sujatha, in the novel, "Sivappu, Karuppu, Veluppu" wrote about
an Englishman looking at a Nadar woman and the author (who ensures that
every short story/novel has at least one reference to breasts) 
put in some description of that woman, SOME Nadar community members
burnt the issues of Kumudham and the serial was discontinued.

IMHO the brahmins have been portrayed more negatively than most other
communities in the movies. I personally do not care. And I am not
saying that Brahmins using some lobby to censor is correct. They SHOULD
STOP DOING IT, even if EVERY other community does it. Even then the Tamil
Kaavalars of SCT will blame ONLY Brahmins but they should not care.

Now the million dollar question : Let's say we kick all the Brahmins
out of Tamilnadu and let's say they do not get any voice in Delhi too.
Will Tamilnadu get better after that ? 

I do not know....

Waiting to be enlightened,
Jagadisan Shivakumar
>
>
>S. Sankarapandi
>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: na@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Aru Arunasalam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Lyrics of some Bharathiyaar songs..
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:39:41 GMT
Organization: ABB Systems Control Company, Inc.


In article <1992Nov6.122216.6189@gw.wmich.edu>, x90ramachand@gw.wmich.edu writes...
>Nanbazhrgalae  Vanakkam,
> 
>I was listening to songs from Bharathiyar and I wonder if some enlightened
>soul could post the lyrics of the following songs:.
> 
>1. Kakkai chiraiyinillae... nanda laala....(something like that)

    I recollect this as "Kaakkai siRahinilae..."
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>4. any other song you remember....

    I believe the classic "Kannamma" song is also a Bharathiyaar composition

    "KattRu veLi idai Kannamma, Unthan  Kaathalei eNNi-thavikkindRaen..."

>Suresh Ramachandran

Aru/
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: ennal mudintha alavu kadikkiren!
Keywords: kathi,kadi,pun
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:17:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

maraman@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Dayanidhi Raman) writes:

> siriya puthagathin peyar- booklet
>siriya suvarin peyar- wallet
>siriya kalai mattin peyar- bullet
>siriya vettu- cutlet (intha madalin thalaipungooda)
>yosithu niraya appuram sollugiren

idhai paditthu vittu unarchchivasapatta udhayan ezhuthukiraan:
        Pudhu Communism (in SCT)
        ------------------------

   SCT katchhi sarbatra Group enru ninaithirunden..

   anaal...

   THAIodu DHAYAvum serndhadhal
   kathhiyodu vettarivalum serndhu
   pudhu Communism uruvanadhu
   ippodhu than therindhadhu!!!

   ---Udayan            

anban,
thayumanavan
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil Movie Directors
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:22:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45767
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


Anbargale,
		Some one was suggesting that we discuss the merits of
		Tamil movie directors. I think an entertaining (ahem!
		way of doing this would be to debate as to who the
		all time best director has been in tamil movies.


		My personal vote would go to K.balachander, who has
		spanned 25 years of Tamil movies and is still not
		out of stock (unlike a few 'fly-by-night' directors
		of today who run out after a few hits). With hits
		like 'Ethir Neechal', 'bhaama vijayam', 'Avargal'
		'Apoorva ragam', 'Thanneer thanneer', 'pudhuppudhu
		arthangal' and countless more, any other director
		who wishes to give competition to KB for the title
		of 'all time best' must be out of the world.

		well, I've set the ball rolling.........


Srikanth Meenakshisundaram

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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: puththiyuLLa manidharellam vetRi kaaNpathillai......
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:19:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Nov13.001910.8758
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Nov12.213602.6130@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU  
(V.R.Kumar) writes:
V.R.Kumar> puththiyuLLa manidharellaam vetRi kaaNpathillai
V.R.Kumar> vetRi petRa manidharellaam puththisaali illai
V.R.Kumar> 
V.R.Kumar> puththiyuLLa manidharellaam vetRi kaaNpathillai
  [Song deleted]
It seems V.R.Kumar is loaded with Chandirababu's songs.;-)
Most of the Chandirababu's songs are very meaningful. I've got
a couple of questions. Are his songs written by Kannadasan?
Is Chandirababu a telugu guy?(Just curious).

V.R.Kumar> V R Kumar
V.R.Kumar>  ----------------------------------------------------
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Cheers,
Venkat
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From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Originator: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:37:57 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.225140.3842@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <45769@ogicse.ogi.edu>, partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>>In article <BxM1KC.Cvo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>>
>>>We (the Tamils)  may have inherited this fascination for unrealistic dream 
>>>world stories thru our contacts with the irrational Sanskritic literature.
>>>Here I am refering to the Sanskritic stories which are similar in spirit
>>>to the story of Satyavathi's birth ( A fish swallows semen and later when
>>>fishermen cut open the fish, they find two kids etc).
>>>
>>	Most mythical stories in the world are unrealistic, not just those
>>in Sanskrit. Even today there are movies made like Star wars, Superman,
>>Batman etc.. Looks like these stories too have tremendous influence of
>>Sanskritic literature as per your logic! Unrealistic themes come from human 
>>imagination.  Sanskrit is just a language. Ever heard of the story of Adam
>>and Eve, Mr. Meenan? Does it sound more logical than the one you have
>>described? Do not be too biased against one community. The whole world
>>has gone through "unrealistic stories" several times. 
>
>Exactly. In Silappadhikaarm, Kannagi burns Madurai by cutting one of
>her breasts and throwing it. Is that realistic?

That is precisely my point.  Later Tamil literature (ie after the 
contact with the Sanskrti literature) such as Silappithikaram, Periya
Puranam &c were written after are tainted.  (See Arun Gupta's article
on "Forgeries of Hindu Scritupres for details)

Periya Puranam actually contains a story (of iyaRpahai naayanaar) who
gave his wife to a Sivan-adiyaar, which contradicts with a very basic 
value cherished in Tamil civilization (ie. non-sharing of life partners).

However, pre-sanskritic works such as "saanROr ceyyuL" (or commonly
called sangham literature) does not contain any controversal, unrealistic
or stupid mythologies.

>
>- Arun.
>
>>>Meenan Vishnu
>
>>
>>Partha sarathy

Meenan Vishnu



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From: krishnar@proline.cs.unc.edu (Rajarama Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:19:44 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov12.075246.8119@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.045944.12951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>"naan padum paadal" was also a mediocre movie w/o any doubts.  In fact we can
>>count the non-mediocre movies in Tamil released during the last 10 years.

I liked Pesum Padam a lot. It was a brilliant idea and had a very pleasant
story. Kamal and Amala acted great too. Moondraam Pirai was a great movie too.

>How about "Mouna  Ragam" for the poignant presentation of a upper
>middle class relationship marked by the spectre of fillial responsibility
>and arranged marriages.

I somehow didnt like Mouna Ragam because it was copied from "nenjaththai
kiLLAdhE". The story line is exactly the same. SHE loves one guy who SHE is
unable to marry and is forced to marry HE. Now SHE is a very energetic
emotional female. The guy SHE loved was the fun loving, freak-out kind of guy.
HE (the husband) is the father-figure kind. Very loving caring etc. HE loves
SHE. But SHE still loves the other guy. Then SHE finally changes mind and
starts loving HE just when HE was about to change his mind and stop loving SHE.
So all ends well. In one movie they finally join in the airport and in the
other movie in the railway station. What major difference do people see between
these two movies, I dont understand. I can only see a good cog. I liked
Suhasini's performance much better than Revathi's.

>>poove poochchoodava by Facil was commercial but realistic to a certain level.

Wasnt this originally a Malayalam movie?

>>Our movie world has to learn a lot more from MalayaLam cinemas.  Even most of
>>the commercial MalayaLam movies are not mediocre like Tamil movies.

I agree, the comercial Malayalam are on an average better than the comercial
Tamil movie. But the Malayalam art movies suck. Frankly I feel that good
movies dont have to be obscure and ugly. Seeing good movies can be a pleasant
experience. I am yet to see a Malayalam movie which has had a strong impression
on me. However I have seen some Tamil and Hindi movies which have impressed
me a lot. If you say that we have to learn from English movies I will
fully agree. There are just many many more exceptional movies in Enlish than
in the Tamil, Hindi, or Malayalam.

Rajaram
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: commonness among Tamils...
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:32:17 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

un025720@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>I always wondered why all Tamils,irrespective of their castes have no family 
>name. Tamil cousins do not have the same last name as others in the country do.
>We just end up adding one more first name as our last name. This is also
>true among tamil muslims and christians. Does anyone know if this was in
>practice for very long and if this just unique to Tamil culture??

>Manjula Ibrahim
>West Virginia Universit

I think many Tamils did have a custom of using the name of the place
or village of their birth or ancestors as part of their names. For
some reason, this practice seems to have greatly decreased (some
prominent examples that come to mind are Naanjil Manoharan,
Anbil Dharmalingam, Kovai Sezhiyan, Thaazhai Karunanidhi (not
the Kalaignar), Arcot Ramaswamy etc.

In kerala, even today lots and lots of Malayaalees use house,
village or town name as part of their name. Usually this is
the first initial in their name. - ganesh

y
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigal -3
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:28:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45486
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"KaNgal irukka thOraNam EnO?
	 Kaigal irukka mAlaigaL EnO?
	 Ullam irukka manavRai EnO? - Naam
	 Oru manadhanAl thirumanam EnO?"

	 -from "Neeye than enakku manavatti...."

	 Posted by Srikanth  Meenakshisundaram.


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From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Clinton is a dravidian and speaks tamil and a saivite
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.140756.20230@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan) writes:
> 
> 
> This is the conclusion I made after reading Dr.Selva Kumar (from Waterloo) and
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dr. Kathiravan Krishnamurthy's articles.

      Reading what you say below, I get the impression that you might
      have misunderstood me. I would suggest you to read my posts again,
      if you are interested in understanding. Lack of honesty is, as I
      understand a major cause of much trouble in the world ! May I
      sincerely ask, DID you examine CAREFULLY what I have been saying ?
      If you did and still came to the following conclusions of yours,
      all I might ask is to reexamine again, may be you have misundertood !
      Good luck ! If you are interested in writing satire, I might suggest
      Sri Natarajan's ( of AT&T) hilarious writings. 
> 
> Anyone who does not agree with this are anti-tamil and be cursed by the above
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> doctors using some kural or tholkappiam.
^^^^^^^^^
     I don't think I have 'cursed' or said anything about anti-tamil.
    

> 
> Even US was ruled by dravidians  and all people here were saivite worshipping
> Siva and Ravana. Then some sanskrit-speaking aryan invaders came from Europe
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and changed most people to Christianity.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      Correction ! Although sanskrit is an indo-european language, NOT
      every indo-european language is sanskrit, so if you said
      'indo-european language-speaking "aryan" invaders came from
      europe and changed people to Christianity' it would be quite
      accurate !! But the natives were NOT dravidians to the best of my
      knowledge but could have been asians. Native American culture was
      great in many ways and certainly there was a cuturecide by the
      invading europeans which these IE-speaking european decendants
      are HONEST enough to admit !!
> 
> 
> Even Yesltin was a saivite speaking tamil in his home. Then some iyengars from
> Sri-rangam went to moscow and taught him to speak russian.

     Hmm... (-: (-:
> 
> All pakistani's are dravidanoids ( i do not know what this means)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     A majority of them could very well be !! Many of the people
     in India got converted to Islam or Christianity to escape
     hindu caste tyrannies ( although some might have got converted
     by being genuinely attracted their religions and some out of
     fear of some powerful muslim kings...). 
> 
> RT
> 
> 

      Regards,
      Selva Selvakumar
From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: ***DANCE PERFORMANCE***
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:21:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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From: cosc14bs@elroy.uh.edu (Sivasankaran S., Univ. of Houston)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Umakku yentha oor'o ?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:00:00 GMT
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Organization: University of Houston
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Neengallawm yentha oor ?
Collecting statistics. That's all.
My friend has agrred to summarise and post results

-Surya.
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Lyrics posted by request
Date: 10 Nov 1992 20:39:10 -0600
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(Using ADAMI transliteration scheme)

(1)  Movie : "nenchil Or aalayam"
     Music : M.S.Viswanadhan 
     Lyrics : Kannadasan
     Vocal : P.B.Srinivas
 
 \(TAMIL)

  ninaippadhellaam nadandhu vittaal deivam Edhumillai
  nadandhathaiyE ninaiththirundhaal amaidhi enRumillai
  mudindha kathai thodarvathillai iRaivan EttinilE
  thodarndha kathai mudivathillai manidhan veettinilE
                                                 (ninaippadhellaam)

  aayiram vaasal idhayam - adhil
  aayiram eNNangaL udhayam
  yaarO varuvaar 
  yaarO iruppaar
  varuvadhum pOvadhum theriyaadhu
  oruvar mattum kudiyirundhaal thunbam Edhumillai
  onRirukka onRu vandhaal enRum amaidhiyillai
                                                 (ninaippadhellaam)

  engE vaazhkkai thodangum? - adhu
  engE evvidham mudiyum?
  idhu thaan paathai
  idhu thaan payaNam
  enbathu yaarukkum theriyaadhu
  paathai ellaam maaRi varum payaNam mudindhu vidum
  maaRuvadhai purindhu kondaal mayakkam theLindhu vidum
                                                 (ninaippadhellaam)

(2) Movie : "sumai thaangi"
    Music : M.S.Viswanadhan 
    Lyrics : Kannadasan
    Vocal : P.B.Srinivas

 \(TAMIL)

    mayakkamaa? kalakkamaa?
    manadhilE kuzhappamaa?
    vaazhkaaiyil nadukkamaa?
                             (mayakkamaa?)
    
    vaazhkkaiyenRaal aayiram irukkum
    vaasal thOrum vEdhanai irukkum
    vandha thunbam edhuvenRaalum
    vaadi ninRaal Oduvathillai
    
    edhaiyum thaangum idhayam irundhaal
    iRudhi varaikkum amaidhi irukkum
                             (mayakkamaa?)

    Ezhai manadhai maaLikaiyaakki
    iravum pakalum kaaviyam paadu
    naaLaip pozhudhai iRaivanukkaLiththu
    nadakkum vaazhvil amaidhiyaith thEdu

    unakkum keezhE uLLavar kOdi
    ninaiththup paarththu nimmadhi naadu
                            (mayakkamaa?)

 [ Posted for Kanmani - SP ]


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From: arbi@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (R Balaji)
Subject: one of sujaathaa's pudhuk kavidhais from memory
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:12:34 GMT

when i was discussing a point with a friend, the following
came to my mind. i'm sure lot of you would have seen it. it
was in one of the tamil weeklies (saavi/kalki/kumudham/...).


                    _______________________
        liftil nuzhaindha                  |
                    _______________________
                    |   avaLai,            |
                    _______________________
                    |   "kaadhalippadhaa?  |
                    _______________________
                    |   kaRpazhippadhaa?"  |
                    _______________________
                    |   mudivu seyyumun    |
                    _______________________
                    |           i          |
                    _______________________
                    |             Ra       |
                    _______________________
                    |               ngi    |
                    _______________________
                    |                 veli...yE sendRu vittaal.
                    |______________________|

peace an' luv,
arbi
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