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From: golden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Stephen "Jokey" Golden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: TV Specials
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:43:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr16.162710.13100@acsu.buffalo.edu> v106lr4h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric T Sasse) writes:
>
>    Besides for that sappy childs' "Battle for Endor" (2 hours long too?), 
>there was the special that they showed in 1979, I think, which began with a 
>cartoon image of Boba Fett, 1st appearence, and was a mix of a whole buncha
>stuff, like being on Chewie's home planet, and even an appearence of Julia
>Child doing a cooking demonstration, eek!
>   What was this special called and where can it be seen again! I was only 8 
>years old and barely remember all the cool stuff there musta been on it, not
>to mention some clues there mighta been. 

The show was called, appropriately enough, the Star Wars Holiday Special.

The setting: It's some Wookie Holiday (can't remember the name) and Han
is trying to get Chewie home so he can visit with his family.  Most
of the scenes take place at Chewie's house where we see his family preparing
for the holiday and entertaining themselves.  Quite a few musical scenes
with Diane Carrol (sp?) and Bea Arthur.  Harvey Korman does a cooking scene
sort of imitating Julia Child.  Jefferson Starship also performs a song.

There are some scenes with Luke and Leia and C3P0 and R2D2 and one scene
with Darth Vader which was taken from the movie, but the vocal was redubbed.

In the middle is the cartoon mentioned above, which is probably the most
entertaining part overall.  Carrie Fisher sings toward the end, which is
also sort of interesting.

Overall, really boring, but yet, a piece of history.

There was also another Ewok movie beside the one mentioned above, but I don't
know the name.


--
"I'm not the man they think I am at home...I'm a rocketman"
                           -- Kate Bush (or Elton John)
-- Stephen Golden		           
golden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu    	Anyone have change for a dollar?
From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:07:19 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <16APR199202103627@venus.tamu.edu> tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.135624.24868@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, geiger@cae.wisc.edu (Joey Geiger) writes...
>>According to Cinefantasique June 1992, George Lucas says he will
>>not be doing another Starwars movie.  He is bored with the concept.
>
>He was just on "Good Morning America" a couple of weeks ago and said he
>WILL be doing the first three.  He said the story is already written, it's just
>a matter of his finding the energy to do it.  He said when he is finished with
>the "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" he will have enough time then.  

I like YIJC, but if that is true, I hope YIJC doesn't last too long!

-- 
======== Boyd Johnson    nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, Ca. ========
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From: sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>>
>>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.
>
>I don't think this is quite true.  All of the videos and re-releases of
>Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"
>or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
>was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.  It was
>only after it became a mega-hit that the hype began.  I think that the
>soggy plot of Return of the Jedi is some good evidence that Lucas hadn't
>thought it all through from the start.  (Of course The Empire Strikes Back
>was released as Episode V.)
 
	Original Posters from Star Wars are worth big bucks because they 
don't have the episode # on them. However I believe that in the middle of
the run, Star Wars was edited and the edisode IV was placed in the  title
and there were some changes made to the movie. I distinclty remember a scene
in which Luke is talking to his friend about the Space Academy or some such
thing, but when I saw the movie again, several months later, and rented it
on video cassette that scene was not there. I used to own a comic book 
version of the movie that we bought at the theater when we first saw it in
June of 1977 and this scene was in it. I no longer have the comic book but
my brother insists that Luke had a cousin Duke. That I can't say for sure.
Does anybody else remember this scene ?

Laura.

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From: chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf)
Subject: FAQ (Was: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?))
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.222329.13455@cs.umn.edu> pockrand@cs.umn.edu (Mitch Pockrandt) writes:
>This should end up being in a FAQ if anyone puts one together.

Judging from the first several dozen posts on this group (all rehashes
of old Q's) it looks like we could definitely use a FAQ.  If no one else
wants to do it I'll volunteer to be maintainer of the FAQ.  Please
send me your suggestions for inclusion in the list (both questions
and well written replies) and I'll try to put together a preliminary
version ASAP.
						- Chris
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Random musings...
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Thoughts on the whole thing...

1) Does anyone have a copy of the SW Holiday special from 1978?
(First appearance of Boba Fett, Life Day)

2) Anyone have a release date for Dark Empire #3?

3) I have it on pretty good authority that the return of Palpatine
in DE#2 wasn't the only return we'll be seeing. A certain 
Mandalorian...

4) One month 'till the next Zahn novel. Ideas on the identity of 
the spy? Fel'lya? Winter? 

                             Just thoughts. I'll have more later.
                                  George
"Don't worry, Han. They're not gonna chain you to a wall and shoot you."
                                -Luke Skywalker
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 20:47:15 EDT
From: <GJB113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SOUNDTRACKS
 <1992Apr16.050515.6512@athena.mit.edu> <1992Apr16.054213.8090@athena.mit.edu>

   The soundtracks are excellent... my vote for favorite song would be the
Throne Room Theme / End Title and, of course, the ominous Emperor tracks.
Although the CD versions are, of course, excellent, the albums (if you can
get them) are worth looking into.
                                                    -Greg Blickley
                                                    !@#$ the sig!
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter??!?(Or Book between SW and TESB)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr17.141215.15713@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v128juxa@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Schuyjuannah) writes...
>In article <1992Apr17.023055.10210@CS.ORST.EDU>, vaughnl@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Luke Vaughn) writes...
>>I remember seeing somewhere one time a different book that was supposed to be
>>a connector between SW and TESB about why they left Yavin and why they moved to 
>>Hoth, plus some other stuff about Solo Robbing an Imperial Treasury for the
>>Alliance.
>> 
>>Anyone Know the Title?
> 
>Is the book, "Splinter in the Mind's Eye"? It has Luke Skywalker and Princess
>Leia going to this planet and seeing Vader, or something like that (it's been
>10 years since I read the book).

     Me too.  But I do remember it's by Alan Dean Foster, sitting novelization
     king.  And that at one point, Luke is so badly hurt in a light saber
     battle with Vader that Leia, who is there as well, picks up the fight.
     She manages to nail Vader a couple of times, better than Luke could.

     I guess looking back it could be a nice bit of unintentional
     foreshadowing to those of us that have read it.  I still have
     my copy somewhere...


                ^She's My Cousin But Doesn't She^
                      ^Look Almost Exactly^
           ____________^Like Laura Palmer^____________
          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu^ 
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From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:19:40 GMT

bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan) writes:
>Here's my Trivia question:  Who wasn't at his post?  If you don't understand
>this question, you need to watch the movies some more.

Oh, no, how depressing.  I know the answer to this one (sort of).  It's
in SW, in the Death Star, when they beat up on the stormtroopers guarding
the Falcon, and so this guy says "<some number> why aren't you at your
post?"

Funniest line from the movies:  "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are this
accurate."   Yeah, right.

I think I'll go and get a life now.

Fraser.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 00:58:02 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Jedi editing errors

I was wondering if anybody noticed some of the many editing errors in Jedi. For
instance, in Jabba's palace there's a shot of Boba Fett, but his helmet antenna
is on the wrong side. Apparently for they flipped the film to preserve the
continuity of him looking in the right direction.
Also, there's a bunch of scenes in the emporer's throne room where if you look
closely you can see the same starfield being used over and over. A typical
scene has a shot of the emporer with a distinguishable star pattern slowly
moving to the right. After a cut to a different shot, the shot back on the
emporer again shows the same star pattern as it was before they had left the
screen. I know the Death Star doesn't revolve around that fast! :-) In other
words, each time they had a new shot of somebody with stars in the background,
they always started off in the same position.

--Brian
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From: jkd2886@usl.edu (Davis Jason K)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:53:27 GMT

	I can believe that Star Wars (A New Hope) started as just Star
Wars because Lucas didn't know it would be such a mega hit (the highest   
grossing movie of all three).  I noticed today while watching Star Wars
for the umpteenth time that Leia refered to her "father" in the hologram
message played by Artoo D2.  In my opinion, yes, Leia may have been lied
to about her parents, since she was hidden from Annakin (forgive the spelling)
 but Luke lived with his aunt and uncle, not "parents".  Give it thought,
did Lucas plan 3 movies at first?

	Trivia:  What garbage compactor (number) were our heros trapped
	         in during Star Wars?

						Isenguard
From: scottie@sequent.com (Scott Thurston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Anyone for Fiction?
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:11:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr16.001144.13269
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Apr15.230323.20538@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
%     How would everyone feel about fiction on the newsgroup?
%     I'm not talking necessarily about me writing some, just
%     in general.
%     (Though I have been kicking around a premise for the 
%     final trilogy that is kind of insane and shocking; some
%     of you may remember the discussion about it on rasfm a
%     while back...  I would kind of like to find time to write
%     three short stories as the final trilogy.  How would people
%     feel about me posting these?)

Something very much like this has been going on in alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
(or was; I haven't had time to keep up with it).  Several threads that were
individual stories, several distinct characters, and episode written by
various subscribers.  Shoot, even the discussions usually took place between
characters that each author used as an alter-ego.

Some very good writing there, I might add.

-- 
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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Empire and Jedi on HBO
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

Does anyone know if Empire and Jedi will be rebroadcast on HBO in the near
future?  They used to be on a lot but haven't for three or four years.  Did
HBO lose the rights to them?  If so, did another cable network pick them up?

Star Wars itself is shown on the Disney Channel fairly regularly.
-- 
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From: longstre@ws-58.cae.wisc.EDU (Jon Longstreth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "Leia", or "Carrie"?
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:52:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr17.145239.21678
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: longstre@ws-58.cae.wisc.edu


In article <74559@netnews.upenn.edu>, lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
|> Sorry to hit on the lost scenes theme BUT does anybody remember
|> a scene in SW some time after Leia and co. have gotten out 
|> of the trash compactor. The group is being shot at. They run towards
|> some doors. You here a trooper saying "close the blast doors" . They
|> run through the doors. The doors close. Trooper now says "open the
|> blast doors. Open the blast doors". Right after this the group
|> finds the MF (???) and Obi and Darth do their thing. I think 
|> this scene appered in an early release and then dissapeared because
|> I was looking for it the 4th or 5th I saw SW in '77 and was
|> dissapointed that it dissapeared. Can anybody help?
|> 
|> -- 
|> John Lobaugh  lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu 
Once again, 
Yes I remember that scene in the original movie.
Isn't it anoying then they cut these things AFTER release?
From: magnus@athena.mit.edu (Daniel R Risacher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:14:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr17.001438.12650
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

THIS IS JUST TRIVIA:


Just to put in my two cents and all those other cliches...


Acoording to an interview with Lukas that I saw as
part of a cheezy "Making of Star Wars", when he 
originally conceived of the story, he tried to write 
it as ONE film, but by the time he was done, it was so
long that he broke it into TWELVE parts.  However, when 
he actually started making the movie, he decided that 12
was too many and cut it down to nine.  The story line
for the whole thing was written in advance, but the 
actual scripts were only written as needed.  

As far as whether the original said EPSIODE IV or not,
I found it very hard at first to believe that it did not,
but the more I thought about it, the more plausible
it seems.  It seems reasonable that he knew the whole story
from the start, since there are so many references to the past
in the film, and it is also reasonable that he wouldn't have 
put a "part IV" label on it when he didn't know if anybody was 
going to like it. Does anybody have any proof?  (i.e. access
to a print of the film without it?)

In regards to Lucas making the rest...  well, I wouldn't lose
hope, especially since Lukas (and film makers in general) have
been known to lie about such things in order to achieve a 
desired effect.  We can only hope.


-- 
                                    Until Elsewhen,
                                    D. R. Risacher

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Does anybody have bootleg copies of the scripts?  
Send them to me and don't tell anybody else!  (Our little secret!!)
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Related books...
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:21:45 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab


I remember, five or six years ago, having seen a book called:
"Han Solo and Chewbaka (sp ?) at stars' end"

Nobody heard about it ?


Jean-Marc

PS: Could somebody quote the exact words of C3P0 in TESB, just after the big doors of the rebel's base
closed down and Chewy screamed loud ?
From: bcballi@cs.vu.nl (Ballintijn GC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: A question
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:57:18 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam

Hello,

I am a lonely SW-fan, out here in the vast lonely hyper space of
Europa. I was puzzuled by the following: On the entire european
TV-broadcastingsystem (*) I have never seen TESB & RoTJ, I saw a 
couple of times the SW, but not the other two. But we all know that 
TESB the best one was. (**) I was wondering is there any contract-
clause or something that prohibits this?

Greetings from a SW-fan

GC Ballintijn (bcballi@cs.vu.nl)

*	BBC (I & II), Dutch TV, Belgian TV, German TV (not even
	in German), France TV, etc.
**	Pardon my english please.
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From: s0229452@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew Appler)
Subject: Re: Bubblegum
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:55:45 GMT

I happened to order figures from the Sears wishlist as a kid.  My
mother wasn't going to let me open them though, because she thought
they would be worth something.  I did anyway.  I've regretted that to
this day, because About 3 months later, they were all thrown out by
mistake.  I can't believe I actually lost most of the original
figures.  Oh well....I have been rebuilding the collection for a
while.  

  -Matthew
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From: kihlstro@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:48:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.045534.6089@athena.mit.edu> bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan) writes:
>Here's my Trivia question:  Who wasn't at his post?  If you don't understand
>this question, you need to watch the movies some more.

TK421 why aren't at you post? .... 

In star wars ... right before all the blasting and yelling ..
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From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Subject: Re: Action Figure Wanted
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:18:32 GMT

In <1992Apr17.021718.17593@athena.mit.edu> kho@athena.mit.edu (Karen W Ho) writes:

>Hi. Can anyone help me find an "Emperor" action figure? I believe it was only
>obtainable from Kenner directly with 5 proofs of purchase. Help!

i distinctly recall seeing the emperor figure for sale in stores sometime
after the proof of purchase deals...

unfortunately i sold my entire collection...
thankfully to a nice family that will have as much fun playing with them
as i did...  =)
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From: brant@cs.UAlberta.CA (Brant Coghlan)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:17:00 GMT

pockrand@cs.umn.edu (Mitch Pockrandt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.162133@IASTATE.EDU> picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy) writes:
>>
>>You may be right about the long-range plans, though I am pretty sure it's always
>>been Lucas' plan to make 9, but you're a bit off about Episode IV.  In the
>>scrolling text at the beginning of the movie, it says "Episode IV:  A New
>>Hope."
>>So, it's always been #4, and I think it also shows that George has always
>>planned to make 1-3.
>>

	When George was starting Star Wars (later to be called SW Episode IV:
A New Hope) he was strongly influenced by his early appreciation of movie
serials (the 10 minute episodes which ran before the cartoon and main
feature in the old days of the movie theatre).  I think this info came
from the old "Bantha Tracks" (you remember that don't you ;-)
	For more good Lucas info check out "Skywalking The Life and
Films of George Lucas" by Dale Pollock.
	Are their any other good sources for Star Wars info?

-Brant         brant@cs.ualberta.ca
Brant Coghlan   Grad. Studies, Comp. Sci., U of Alberta, Canada
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: Film Fests
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-11412]: rex
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:30:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.035548.22518@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>A couple years ago, a local theatre had a SW film fest, showing all 3 movies
>back to back....It was great seeing them on the big screen again - I was
>wondering if this type of event happens a lot around the country or not...
>There was one bad point, though, about :30 minutes worth of TESB was very
>"dirty" (awful red tint on the screen and a lot of what looked to be dust
>particles and such on the film) - by the 4th time I went to this fest, an
>announcer guy came on and explained that TESB was in "pretty bad shape, but
>it's the best we could get our hands on".  How many copies of the films are out
>there?  Are they all deteriorating?
>
>ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu                                          andy

Last year, they showed all three films here at school. I don't remember
whether any of the copies were screwed up or not. I do remember some
problems, but I think it was just because the people running the projector
didn't know what they were doing... (-=
You're right, though, It's great to see the old movies again on the big
screen.... I think the best part for me, though was the crowd participation.
For the most part, the only people who were in the theatre were college
students who had seen each movie enough to quote it word for word. I, for
one, was almost disappointed by the graphics in Star Wars... although it
was awesome in it's time, it is almost wimpy compared to newer space/action/
science fiction movies. It was hilarious though the amount of booing and
hissing that filled the auditorium whem Vader came on the screen, and I
thought the roof was coming off due to cheers and clapping when Luke, Han,
and Leia showed up... (actually there were a lot of whistles when Leia
showed up, but that's beside the point. <-=)

May the force... oh, you know the rest...

Misti