HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: luca@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Luca De Alfaro)
Subject: Re: Go away!
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:17:10 GMT

mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) writes:


>Can we have a newsgroup devoted to soc.culture.europe and those
>wishing to discuss Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues (which constitute
>the vast majority of submissions here yet constitute a small part of
>the those interested in european culture) find their own home elsewhere.
>The manners I have seen displayed here leave me in little doubt that
>this request will be ignored. How about setting up a new newsgroup with
>a title reflecting its content?


I perfectly agree. Not only do the articles about
Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues constitute the vast majority of the
articles, but they are also often of poor quality and unreliable as
source of news. They are rather uninteresting for (I believe) the vast
majority of people interested in European culture. I have tried to get
rid of them using kill files, but it is still difficult to spot the
few articles that regard other parts of Europe or Europe at large.

I don't know how to set up a new newsgroup, but I would be very happy
to see it done.

			Luca

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner)
Subject: Re: Trade Wars
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:51:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.162831.21272@clsi.COM>, kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov18.074627.13541@ericsson.se>, olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner) writes:
|> > In article <Bxv7r1.H3o@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS) writes:
|> > |> Whats the general feeling over there in Europe about the possiblity
|> > |> of a trade war with the Americans??  The papers in Canada seem to
|> > |> be blaming the French for being obstructionists??  Here (Canada)
|> > |> we are just concerned about being caught in the middle.
|> > 
|> > The EC has to build some aircraft carriers before starting a trade war. So the
|> > French should not be so hypocritical as long as we do not have any real army
|> > in Western Europe.
|> > 
|> 
|> Don't get your point John (the British navy has aircraft carriers anyway).
|> 

The U.S. Navy could easily block the energy supply from the Arab countries. I
doubt the few aircraft carriers France and Great Britain have would pose any
big threat to the U.S. when you consider the logistics and surveillance systems the U.S. has. A big problem is naturally that the Unites States is far away and
that the U.S. need non hostile countries in Eurasia. This is the crucial point,
but if you know the mentalities and traditions in Europe you know Europe is
too divided to pose any threat to the interests of the United States. Countries
like the Netherlands and Great Britain are very Atlantic and free trade 
oriented in their attitude. Therefore I think the conflict will be solved soon
even if France would like to escalate the conlict and in the long run would
like to have a European trade and security policy that is totally independent
of the United States.

If you see what is happening in Europe after the Yalta World has collapsed it
is sad that the nations in Western Europe have not come further in their
cohesiveness. This with respect to security policy. I you look at trade policy I
would not like to live in a French colbertistic Europe

Regards
John-Olof
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Check This Out Folks
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:50:47 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.



Hmmm..nice to know someone is watching over us.
Looks like the thought police now have net access and are reading our
every word.
Relates to a call for Usenet monitors to read innumerable newsgroups and
'correct' 'incorrect' perceptions.

Long article but read it all before commenting.

Dave

[article from soc.religion.islam follows]
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From khan@twg.com Wed Nov 18 16:55:18 1992
From: olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Trade Wars
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:55:49 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

In article <1992Nov20.220620.6525@clsi.COM>, kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov20.065123.1882@ericsson.se>, olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner) writes:
|> > In article <1992Nov18.162831.21272@clsi.COM>, kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |> Don't get your point John (the British navy has aircraft carriers anyway).
|> > |> 
|> > 
|> > The U.S. Navy could easily block the energy supply from the Arab countries. I
|> > doubt the few aircraft carriers France and Great Britain have would pose any
|> > big threat to the U.S. when you consider ...
|> 
|> That would be war, not a "trade war", and in case you have forgotten: the French
|> make Exocet missiles, Britain and France both have nuclear weapons, and there is
|> a lot of oil in the North Sea. I think if it comes to U.S. Vs. Europe the
|> Europeans will be cohesive enough,Margret Thatcher is no longer a European
|> leader, and the U.S. ain't what it used to be.

Most wars were about trade. After trade wars come real wars. The Nato-HQ
have already expressed their concerns about the current Gatt conflict. Now
I don't think and hope that this conflict will escalate to an armed conflict.
It will only show how divided the Europeans are and how weak the French type
of democracy is. If Mrs Thatcher is the leader of Great Britain or not does not
matter, the British will be the same. She was on the European side when the
Europeans wanted to build the Russian gas pipeline. In this trade conflict
I cannot imagine that she would have been on the French side. The British
want a free trade regime and not a new French variant of Napoleon's
Kontinentalsperre.

/jo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: bayram@cisa1.cis.uab.edu (Zeki Bayram)
Subject: GREEK SHIPS VIOLATE EMBARGO ON YUGOSLAVIA
Originator: bayram@cisa1
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:16:31 GMT


The following article appeared in the Nov. 18, '92 issue of the New
York Times, on page A8.

U.S. SAYS GREEK SHIPPING LINES ARE VIOLATING  YUGOSLAV EMBARGO
--------------------------------------------------------------

Washington, Nov. 17- United States officials said today that companies
based in Greece are major violators of the world economic embargo
against Yugoslavia and that the Bush Administration has privately
complained to the Athens Government about its apparent willingness to
tolerate the offenses.

President Bush was to raise the topic today in a meeting with Prime
Minister Constantine Mitsotakis of Greece. Mr. Mitsotakis said later
that he had assured Mr. Bush that Greece was complying with the
embargo.

Mr. Bush and Mr. Mitsotakis met one day after the United Nations
approved new sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro, the two
republics that now make up Yugoslavia, that were designed in part to
discourage violations of the embargo by Greek companies.

Administration experts, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Greek
tankers have recently transported 450,000 barrels of oil to Serbia.
Some of the tankers unloaded their cargoes in Bulgaria for shipment to
Serbia and others unloaded in Montenegro.

As recently as Friday, one official said, a Greek-owned tanker was in
the Adriatic seaport of Bar, Montenegro, unloading caustic soda, a
critical product in the oil-refining process.

On Friday, the United States delegate to the United Nations, Edward J.
Perkins, took the unusual step of publicly identifying one Piraeus,
Greece shipping firm, Thita Tankers Company S.A., for violating
sanctions in the oil and caustic soda trade.

He said the Thita Trion and Thita Volcano made several deliveries of
these products to Bar. Egyptian and Italian tankers also had shipped
embargoed products to Bar, he said.

Some officails suspect the Athens Government has not only tolerated
the smuggling, but also encouraged it.

"It is certainly true that Greek ships and Greek companies have been
centrally involved in violations of these sanctions," a Congressional
expert said in an interview today. "But it's difficult to say the
Greek Government is encouraging these shipments with a wink and a nod."
From: berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Europa, Europa and DENMARK
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:04:29 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova3.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov14.180957.1@nl102> ptisu_sa1@nl102 writes:
>               OPINION POLLS...
>    Poll results may be very misleading.
>    When people are asked some critical questions, sometimes
>    they may feel obliged to give more acceptable answers.
Sometimes they may. But this is mostly asserted by people who do not agree
with the outcome of the poll!

>    I am surprised to see that Denmark gets the top scores over
>    the equality of man and woman on certain professions.
I am not. The 5 scandinavian countries are well known to be among the most
advanced countries in the world, as far as society is concerned, and for me at
least the poll's results were just a confirmation of what I already knew.
(Actually I wrote 'among' just in case someone brings up an example of some
country I never heard of)
If there is to be a competition on the matter of social security, welfare,
etc... it's going to take place among the scandinavian lands, but the poll was
dealing with EC countries only: that's why Denmark was always number one.
The interesting data were really the 11 others.

>    I have lived in Copenhagen, Denmark for almost three years
>    between 1985 and 1988.
>    [...interesting report of a personnal experience of Denmark...]
>    It's not really important, what the people say.
>
>    Let's look at the practical numbers. How may lawyers, managers,
>    surgeons, engineers are there in Denmark and how many of them
>    are females??
Precisely, the poll was not about actual numbers: you do not need to poll the
people to know the numbers, you just read them in employment databanks!
It was about what people believe (or say they believe). And this is of great
importance, because it gives a hint -not about how things are- but about how
things may evolve.
And although I do not have a 3 years experience of Denmark, my impressions of
her were in agreement with the polls results. But one's personnal experience
doesn't compare with a large scale poll.

Once again, Denmark is a freak case because there's no uncertainty about its
position in the scale. The interesting results were the 11 others.

Ciao. And follow-ups to soc.culture.europe only please, don't play it AT&T:)
--
--------
"History punishes those who come too late."
	M.Gorbachev, a few weeks before the Nov. 9, 1989 opening of the wall.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german
From: roddier@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Dominique Roddier)
Subject: Re: Europeans with  no sense of humor typical French!
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:36:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.064214.12585@csis.dit.csiro.au> blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au writes:
>In article <1ed11iINNcr0@ensta.ensta.fr>, sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
>> |> >   Oh oui oh oui, vas-y, kss kss ! On veut des insultes !!!
>> |> >   (si cela n'est pas suffisant pour dechainer tes foudres, je veux bien 
>> |> >    commencer par t'allumer, comme ca, gratuitement).
>> |> >  	Achillator - ballbreaker
>> |> >*
>> |> Et si tu as besoin d'aide, on est une foule a bien vouloir t'aider, on va 
>> |> insulter Sylvuck la la lere la la la!!!
>> |> Dom 
>> |> 
>> 	eh la bande de degenere ancestraux de s.c.f. vus avez pas un peu fini de
>> n'avoir que de la gueule!
>>
>
>  Mon cher,
>
> [ tres bon message deleted]
>
>  Bref, monsieur, je ne vous salue pas.
>  Ou alors, petitement.
>
>		Achillator
>*


Sylvuck Chretien, concessionaire paume
Tenait dans ses mains un rateau
Achillator, par une phrase provoque
lui ecrivit ces quelques mots
Vous etes un cuistre Monsieur, et de la pire espece
Celle qui est nee cuistre, vit cuistre et le reste,
Sans deconner, si un de vos ancestres
Et aussi con que vous, pauvre etre,
Vous etes le plus nain, des lecteurs du rezo.
A ces mots notre Sylvuck reunit ses rateaux
Et pour montrer son grand esprit
Il tape un message reflechi
Nous sortant encore une connerie.
Par retour de niouzes, Achillator lui dit
Pauvre petit, laisse donc un peu ton neurone fatigue, se reposer en paix.
Cette phrase vaut bien un poeme, enfoire.
Sylvuck, esperant qu'on l'oublie
S'en retourna aigrit, a sa concession Iseki.

Dominique.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:9788 soc.culture.french:8621 soc.culture.german:8411
From: berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: An excerpt from Plato on "erotic agony" (in modern Greek & English)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:20:02 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova3.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov17.152432.16313@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:
>An excerpt from "Symposium" (189c k.e.):
>
>"... Once men did not have the current form, but they were round, like two
>bodies glued face to face, a spherical head, four arms and four legs.
>They used to be terrible creatures; they would make raids up to Olympus and
>would challenge the Gods. And they, then, started to think a way to get ride
>of these dangerous creatures. Finally, they found the solution: they cut their
>bodies into two parts, perpendicularly, and each part became independent.
>Since that moment the erotic agony is timed. Men can not climb up to the sky
>anymore, nor can they live like this, invalid on earth. The only salvation
>is to find each one the other half part and unite with it. Thus, one is
>looking to meet that part and when one is worthy of finding it, one joins it,
>becomes whole again and one is happy. While one can not find it, one suffers -
>for one is broken up, incomplete. ..."
>					Plato.
This is an interesting excerpt from the "Speech about Love", a piece
of mankind's culture, that we all read when we were in high school, and
we all know this belongs to Platon's justification of male homosexuality.
The words put by Plato in Socrate's mouth, his master who at the time
he wrote the "Speech" was already dead, are usually considered Plato's
own invention and probably wouldn't have been agreed by Socrates himself;
but this doesn't diminish the value of Plato's artwork.

However, let's focus on Europa, will we?

Regards
JF
--
"History punishes those who come too late."
	M.Gorbachev, a few weeks before the Nov. 9, 1989 opening of the wall.

Hi everyone.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Suggestion: soc.culture.weu, Re: Go away! 
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:29:06 GMT


In article <5459@daily-planet.concordia.ca> mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) writes:
>
>Can we have a newsgroup devoted to soc.culture.europe and those
>wishing to discuss Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues (which constitute
>the vast majority of submissions here yet constitute a small part of
>the those interested in european culture) find their own home elsewhere.
>The manners I have seen displayed here leave me in little doubt that
>this request will be ignored. How about setting up a new newsgroup with
>a title reflecting its content?
>
I suggest creating a new group: soc.culture.weu(West European Union).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: Europeans with  no sense of humor typical French!
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:48:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.064214.12585@csis.dit.csiro.au> blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au (Jacques Blanc-Talon) writes:

>In article <1ed11iINNcr0@ensta.ensta.fr>, sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
>> |> In article <1992Nov7.063716.6967@csis.dit.csiro.au> blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au writes:
>> |> >   Oh oui oh oui, vas-y, kss kss ! On veut des insultes !!!
>> |> >   (si cela n'est pas suffisant pour dechainer tes foudres, je veux bien 

(rest deleted)

Although it isn't a major pain, this discussion has been appearing 
constantly in soc.culture.german.  I would suggest removing that for any 
future aspects of this discussion, unless they pertain to German culture and 
are written in German or English.  Thanks alot, and I'm sorry for butting in 
on your group to make this request. :)
(I've removed soc.culture.germany from this follow up)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Trade Wars
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:28:31 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.074627.13541@ericsson.se>, olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner) writes:
> In article <Bxv7r1.H3o@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS) writes:
> |> Whats the general feeling over there in Europe about the possiblity
> |> of a trade war with the Americans??  The papers in Canada seem to
> |> be blaming the French for being obstructionists??  Here (Canada)
> |> we are just concerned about being caught in the middle.
> 
> The EC has to build some aircraft carriers before starting a trade war. So the
> French should not be so hypocritical as long as we do not have any real army
> in Western Europe.
> 

Don't get your point John (the British navy has aircraft carriers anyway).

In a US/Europe trade war Europe will win, because the US government will not
provide financial support to companies caught in the battle.

Kev.

-- 
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kevin@clsi.com         Tel: (USA) (410) 992 5700 (- 5709) X224
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner)
Subject: Re: Council of Europe
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:55:13 GMT

In article <92324.091457U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:
|> Does anyone know...and would like to post the full membership
|> of the Council of Europe? I don't know who is all in it.

Croatia is not in. First Franjo Tudjman has to marry a Jewish or Serbian
woman.

/jo

Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:9787 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9710 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:608
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.news.east-europe.rferl moderated
Followup-To: poster
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:03:51 -0500
Organization: Enea Data AB
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net

This is the second call for votes for the creation of the moderated 
newsgroup misc.news.east-europe.rferl. The purpose with this group is
make the RFL/RL daily report in one place one place. Today it is re-
posted to several groups, regularly or irregularry, in part or in whole.

Today the report is available as a LISTSERV list which has around
1.500 subscribers. Below is the presentation for the mailing list:

* The RFE/RL Daily Report is a digest of the latest developments
* in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.  It is published
* Monday through Friday (except German holidays) by the RFE/RL
* Research Institute (a division of Radio Free Europe/Radio
* Liberty Inc.) in Munich.  It averages roughly 30 Kbytes of
* material per day.

To avoid junk appearing in this group, the group would be moderated
rferl-daily-report-request@rferl.org which is stated as editor of
the LISTSERV list today. Indeed this is a trivial list to moderate,
since nothing but the reports should appear in the newsgroup.

To vote, mail me at sommar@enea.se with a message clearly saying that
you are voting YES or NO to misc.news.east-europe.rferl. I will try to
acknowledge all votes. Posted votes are discarded.

The vote started on November 10th, and will last to December 9th. 
This is the only repetition of the call during this period.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:9611 soc.culture.french:8537 soc.culture.german:8307
From: sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Europeans with  no sense of humor typical French!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:05:54 GMT
Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure de Techniques Avancees, Paris
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peche6.ensta.fr

In article <1992Nov11.031900.18797@news.Hawaii.Edu>, roddier@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Dominique Roddier) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov7.063716.6967@csis.dit.csiro.au> blanc@caroli.csis.dit.csiro.au writes:
|> >In article <1ddcgqINNfaa@ensta.ensta.fr>, sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
|> >> 	Juste une petite precision Bob, le asshole il se rapprote a qui, a
|> >> stroucki ou a moi. Non paarceque si c'est a moi, je vais te mitonner une serie
|> >> d'insulte en francais, que tu vas en etre sur le cul pendant un bonb bout de
|> >> temps.
|> >> 
|> >
|> [RATEAU DELETED]
|> >
|> >   Oh oui oh oui, vas-y, kss kss ! On veut des insultes !!!
|> >   (si cela n'est pas suffisant pour dechainer tes foudres, je veux bien 
|> >    commencer par t'allumer, comme ca, gratuitement).
|> >
|> >
|> >  	Achillator - ballbreaker
|> >*
|> Et si tu as besoin d'aide, on est une foule a bien vouloir t'aider, on va 
|> insulter Sylvuck la la lere la la la!!!
|> 
|> Dom.
|> ps sorry, just one of *these* days!
|> 
|> 

	eh la bande de degenere ancestraux de s.c.f. vus avez pas un peu fini de
n'avoir que de la gueule!



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