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From: david_spitzler@next.com (David Spitzler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Inexpensive accommodations in Melbourne
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:12:02 GMT
Reply-To: david_spitzler@next.com

I am looking for inexpensive accommodations in Melbourne at the end of  
January.  I want to be close to both Melbourne and the tennis center for  
the Australian Open tennis tourney.

Can anyone make any recommendations?  First and foremost, I'm looking for  
clean and safe.  I am open to shared accomodations (i.e. dormitory-style  
youth hostel) but would prefer a private room with a shared bath, if  
that's feasible given my low budget.

Please respond directly to me, and if anyone needs a summary, I'll be  
happy to repost.

Thanks you.

--
David Spitzler
Manager, Higher Education Marketing
NeXT Computer, Inc.
900 Chesapeake Drive
Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
david_spitzler@next.com
From: edgardo@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu (Edgardo (Ed) Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Dimensions of tennis court?
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:31:53 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

Hi!

A simple question, what are the dimension of a singles/doubles tennis
court?

Thanks,

Edgardo (Ed) Perez :-) ----------------------------------------------------
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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.
Date: 1 Jan 93 09:08:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

Happy New Year to all.
Over the holidays, I looked at some of the year-end review type of 
news articles in the sports pages of various papers, and I can't help
but noticed just how little attention pro-tennis gets.  Among the 92 (or some
such number) memorable images in sports quoted in USA Today, for example,
only 3 were related to tennis: Arthur Ashe's AIDS story, Martina 
N's stand against Colorado's anti-gay measures, and
Agassi winning Wimbledon.  I believe the Ashe and the Agassi stories
were the only two pro-tennis entries among the 100 sports stories
of the year according to the AP.
Also, while there are three to four golf magazines on display at
bookstores, Tennis magazine is the only entry for pro-tennis.  
I am not impressed with the quality of this publication, IMHO 
it lacks style as well as substance. 
Then there is the ATP, which seems uncouth when it comes to marketing.
As evidence, I ask you to look at its advertisement in the latest
issue of Tennis.  Other than the tournament schedule, the verbiage,
which resembles that of a newsletter, makes little marketing sense.  
For example, it talks about some Belgian tennis racqet deals and
about some IBM databases for the statistics of the pros, but offers
no clues on how one can pursue these resources.  It has an article
on Arthur Ashe and his fight against AIDS, but the article shows
a photo of John McEnroe (who WAS spotting a yellow ribbon on his
shirt in the photo, but I suspect not everybody knows the association).
And an Edberg picture was featured without any accompanying text.  

For a sport that's supposed to be glamorous, tennis certainly is
not being held in very high esteem in this country.  And we
tennis fans are not well-served at all.

Just some cheerful thoughts to start the year on the right note :-)

M. Liu
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From: hpw@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry P Warren)
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Reply-To: hpw@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry P Warren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:13:36 GMT

> The fact that Boggs is (was) a great hitter is irrelevant. "Great" is 
> kind of subjective, and certainly not very quantifiable.

The fact that Wade Boggs is a great hitter is very relevant. "Great"
players play longer and more consistently than their less able peers. As
Bill James wrote in his 1984 Abstract: Great players' careers are
relatively less vulnerable to fluctuations in value than are ordinary
players' careers. That is why great players hang around until they are 40;
if they have a bad year, they still have value. [p. 107]

> No one said Wade Boggs didn't have talent. What they said was that 
> Boggs' stats are inflated by Fenway. When he *doesn't* get to play in 
> Fenway, his stats will go down.

The question is whether or not Boggs will be able to hit enough homeruns 
to make up for the anticipated decrease in batting average. Many people 
have essentially argued that Boggs' "talent" is the singular ability to 
hit balls off the Green Monster. I think that Boggs' "talent" is probably 
more general than that and that it is possible that Boggs will become more of 
a pull hitter. 

Anyway, that there are, in general, park effects is unambiguous and the
performance of a single player is not going to confirm or deny their
existence. Last year Boggs hit .274 on the road and only .243 at home. What
does this say about park effects? 

harry warren

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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.193739.29847@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Wallach is a 10-and-5 player, which means he had to agree to the
>trade, I think...which shows you what a classy person he is...since
>the Expos chances in the near future are probably better than the
>Dodgers chances.   Wallach allowed the Expos to do the right thing
>for the Expos, even though it may not have been the absolute best
>thing for Tim Wallach.

Wallach may be classy, but I'm wondering:  does his contract have a
buyout clause?  I can imagine the Expos telling Wallach that they didn't
want him, and that his only chance of being paid the full value of his
contract was to waive his 10-and-5 rights (in the hope that another team
will accept him and his contract in a trade).

>The Expos probably gain a year in the amount of time they can keep
>the current team together by this move.

It was a great deal for the Expos, just as the Gruber deal was a great
one for the Jays.  Is there something in the water out on the west coast
that causes the teams out there to overvalue aging third-basemen?
Maybe it's a part of the free-trade deal:  Canada gives up its overvalued
third-sackers as well as most of its manufacturing :-).

--Dave "" Till
  e-mail address:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
  .help .stamp .out .sigs
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Tanana
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:28:09 GMT

In article <mcmath-221292154718@mcmathmac.nlm.nih.gov> mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Totally Hair McMath) writes:
>The line for Tanana:
>
>PITCHERS        W  L   ERA   G GS CG GF SH SV   INN   H   R  ER HR  BB  SO
>TANANA,F       13 11  4.39  32 31  3  0  0  0 186.2 188 102  91 22  90  91
>
>~200 IP.  Sure, if you want to give a guy like this 200 IP, I'm sure he'd
>gladly accept the gift.  The only problem is that there are about 100 other
>people you could choose, including some who are in AAA and would be cheaper
>(don't know what Tanana's signed for, but it's not the ML minimum, I'll
>bet).  

Are there really that many out there?  Even after expansion?  Certainly
enough teams had trouble finding them.  The Orioles would've loved to
have Tanana instead of Milacki.  Tanana would've been a #3 starter on
the Indians staff.  The Tigers had enough trouble *with* Tanana on their
staff finding such pitchers.  

I certainly wouldn't build a staff around Tanana, but if you're looking
for someone to give you 30 starts, 180 innings and about a 4 ERA, as 
Tanana has done for 13 years fairly regularly even after he blew his arm
out in 1979, you could do worse.  Frank Tanana is precisely the guy you
*want* to *sign*, rather than trade two prospects for.  

>Oh, and Al forgot one of Frank's good points - more strikeouts than walks
>last year.  And a spiffy 1.011111 K/BB ratio. :)

True, the Mets would've been better off with Cone or Maddux.  Their real
problem, though, is thinking that Gooden is a #1 starter, rather than
thinking that Tanana might be a #5 starter.

>|- chuck mcmath - mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov - MSD, Inc. --------------|

ObTanana: We had a thread awhile back about most home runs hit without
          ever hitting 30 in a season, etc.  Tanana has 233 career wins
          without ever having won twenty (let's hear it for the mid-70's
          Angels offense).  A record?  Blyleven doesn't qualify because
          of his 20-17 in 1973.  
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Latest Bonds Antics
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.150042.15055@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jerald.Thomas@launchpad.unc.edu (Jerald Thomas) writes:
>>> > According to the official, Bonds was loud and rude on the
>>> > plane and constantly complaining loud as to how the
>>> > Yankees *insulted* him with their 5 yr $36 Million offer he
>>> > had turned down a few days earlier (source S-I).
>
>This statement, I believe, is the critical point in the original post. Whether
>or not Bonds is worth 7 million a year is neither here nor there.
>Regardless of my salary, I would not complain to every stranger within
>earshot that a potential employer had insulted me with his offer.  And if I
>were earning 7 million (or even one hundred thousand a year) I would have
>the brains and tact to realize that nearly everyone I complain to about my
>"insulting" salary offer couldn't appreciate it and probably couldn't care
>less. I don't know which is worse, bragging about earning seven million,
>or earning six million and bitching to total strangers that you deserve
>more. If Bonds wants to discuss his frustration with the press, his agent,
>or his teammates, that's fine; I just hope I don't have to be in the same
>room with him. If I wnt to hear his travails, I'll read SI.

This is, of course, assuming that the incident actually happened, which
we can hardly know given the third-hand nature of the source.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Expo Fans
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.222108.2404@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>Expo fans: With the departure of Tim Wallach where does Greg Colbrunn fit
>in the plans for '93? 

Wallach's departure makes absolutely no difference to the plans for Colbrunn.
He is projected as the first baseman, possibly in a platoon with Jon
Vanderwal, or some other LH batter acquired via trade.

Right now, Sean Berrky and Frank (?) Bolick are projected as a 3b platoon.
Spring training will tell the tale. Does anyone actually have projections
for these guys, BTW?

Simon

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.005346.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> djcoll04@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Hey Expos fans, lets be realistic.  The loss of Wallach and Owen leaves us
>with the prospect of a virtually all-rookie infield.  The only real 
>exception is Deshields, who is far from a Gold Glove.  The loss of Owen and 
>Wallach runs the risk of running up Dodger-like error totals in the infield.
>Don't forget -- the Expos had a better team batting average and (I think) 
>team ERA than the Pirates in '92.  What vaulted Pittsburgh ahead in the last
>two years has been stellar defense.

I think you started out with the wrong premise.  Better batting average
doesn't mean better offense.  The Pirates, as a team, scored 45 more runs
than the Expos, and that was the difference; notice that the Pirate team had
*both* better OBP and better SLG than the Expo team, which is to be expected
with guys like Wallach and Archi Cianfrocco in the lineup.

What vaulted Pittsburgh ahead was not (in particular) stellar defense, but
rather steallar offense (top in the league).
>
>Also, Wallach's offense should not be written off.  His '92 BA wasn't much
>worse than Deshields '91 BA.  Delino came back and so could Tim, despite his
>age.  

DeShields was on the way up, at age 23.  Wallach is definitely on the way
down, at age 35.  Besides, although the BAs are similar, DeShields' '91 was
leaps and bounds ahead of Wallach's '92 (or '91, for that matter).

DeShields posted a .347 OBP in his bad year, which Wallach, at this point,
can only dream about, for example.  (Besides, DeShields is a second baseman,
so not as much offense is expected of him anyway.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:54:01 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

In <20508@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez027993@chip.ucdavis.edu (Gary Leviticus,
Book Two Huckabay) writes:

>(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>You are being paranoid.  When people talk about "lots of innings",
>>they are referring to 250 inning plus totals.  Like Gooden threw in
>>'85 and '86.  Like Cone threw last year.  Like Clemens throws most
>>years. 

>Depends on how those innings are distributed.  From personal experience,
>and from some small amount of evidence, I would postulate that innings
>pitched WHEN TIRED are far more important than total innings pitched.

>>Glavine might be a bit overworked, but I doubt he throws a lot of
>>pitches per game.  Maddux is really the only pitcher in the rotation
>>who has been pushed hard.

>Maddux's mechanics, however, are impeccable.  

Also, if you have access to average pitch count data, which is a lot
better than IP data, it shows that Maddux really hasn't been all that
overworked.  He's averaged 100 pitches per start over the last 5 years,
which isn't in Clemens (117)  and Cone and Johnson (112) territory,
and isn't as high as Smoltz (103) either. 

Greg "Down and Whether He's Dead Or Not Is Strictly A matter Of 
Opinion" Spira  

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.065712.28708@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER) writes:
>One more thing about Wallach. I think he's the classiest guy to ever
>dorn an Expos uniform. It's a shame to see him go. Too bad he couldn't
>keep up his offense.

He's been one of the better players in Expo history: he's had his hitting
stats gouged by playing in one of the worst hitter's parks in baseball.
(I'm not saying he hit well lately, of course.)

What the hell is wrong with the Dodgers?  They are still signing aging
ballplayers looking for a quick fix.  Is it possible that they'll be
even worse in 1993?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: Jerald.Thomas@launchpad.unc.edu (Jerald Thomas)
Subject: Latest Bonds Antics
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:00:42 GMT

>> > According to the official, Bonds was loud and rude on the
>> > plane and constantly complaining loud as to how the
>> > Yankees *insulted* him with their 5 yr $36 Million offer he
>> > had turned down a few days earlier (source S-I).

This statement, I believe, is the critical point in the original post. Whether
or not Bonds is worth 7 million a year is neither here nor there.
Regardless of my salary, I would not complain to every stranger within
earshot that a potential employer had insulted me with his offer.  And if I
were earning 7 million (or even one hundred thousand a year) I would have
the brains and tact to realize that nearly everyone I complain to about my
"insulting" salary offer couldn't appreciate it and probably couldn't care
less. I don't know which is worse, bragging about earning seven million,
or earning six million and bitching to total strangers that you deserve
more. If Bonds wants to discuss his frustration with the press, his agent,
or his teammates, that's fine; I just hope I don't have to be in the same
room with him. If I wnt to hear his travails, I'll read SI.
 








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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Giants rookie pitchers, and stuff?
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:27:42 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


for anyone that knows..

any idea if salomon torres or rick huisman are supposed to pitch
 in the majors for the giants this year?

- bob gaj
From: charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pirates self destruction
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:23:10 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: renoir.hal.com

In article <ofA7lJv0Bwx2Ja55NZ@transarc.com> Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
>
>  You don't think that ``Biff'' Sauer and ``Spliff''
>Simmons aren't set on destroying the Pirates???
>
>  Maybe this will convince you.
>
>  It was announced this morning that the Bucs have
>signed:
>
>       ``John Candelaria''
>
>  Yes, the one and only ``Candy Man''!
>
>  One time Pirate and most recently a LA Dodger.
>
>  Just what we need; a 39 year old relief pitcher.

Arrrrgghhh!!   It is a gross perversion of logic in Orwellian
proportions to think these dunderheads are actually trying
to build a winning ballteam!!  Pena??  Candelaria??!  Willie McGee!!?
Willie Wilson??!  Spock!!  Help me!  Spock, help me!!

This is further evidence that they are preparing for a war of
attrition, in which the battle (they think) will be won with
popular players, and not winning teams.  Well, Pittsburgh is
NOT Boston or Chicago in their attitude towards sportsteams, at
least not to the Pirates (the Steelers, and football as a sport,
is a different matter).  Does Simmons think this is St Louis??

Gary, time for my roadtrip....  Where can I get the blackmarket
missile-launcher?

The Pirates *could* field at least a competitive team.  They need
to let King go, and invest in a QUALITY pitcher or a hitter--ideally
one each.  But those bastards are setting the larder for winter, and
it's painfully obvious what their weathermap looks like.

To lose to great teams, in such tightly contested matches is
bittersweet.  But to lose because of such self-destructive
mis-management is nearly unbearable.  Oh, the pain....  The
horror....the horror.....

-- 
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Question for Giants Fans
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:43:00 GMT
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In article <MCQVB2NK@cc.swarthmore.edu>, 
jfeinst1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jonathan B. Feinstein) writes...
>In article <1992Dec18.214154.8220@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>,
>paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
> 
>> |> Dodger fans SHOULD be asking themselves how
>> |> come their "team" is saddled with such a useless incompetent like Lasorda
> 
>> I think what we need here is a review of the meaning of incompetent. Since
>Lasorda took office at the end of '76 he has eaten:
> 
> Plates of Spaghetti: 10,000
            ^^^^^^^^^
You are obviously a fan of the hated jints.  All Dodger fans know that Tommy
eats *linguini*, preferably linguini with white clam sauce.  

>Tomatoes: 200,000
 ^^^^^^^^
See comment about white clam sauce above.  

>Tortellini: 50,000
[more jint-fan comments deleted]

>SFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSF---Jonathan Feinstein---SFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSF
> 
>                                                         Swarthmore
>College, Swarthmore PA
> 
> 

Number of World Series won by the SF jints, 1958 to present: 0
(That is:  zero, zilch, none, not a single one, nil, never!) 

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Bay Area baseball
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:44:30 GMT

In article <5130@equinox.unr.edu> alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>
>In article <4200363@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>
>>Outfield - (LF) Bonds (CF) Martinez/Lewis (RF) McGee
>                                           ???????????
>
>I thought they traded Willie for a catcher, or something like that??
>
They haven't...  Yet.  The rumors are that he'd be dealt for Mike LaValliere.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: cej0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES EDWARD JAMES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: My picks, AL/NL East
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:36:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1026@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>Thus spake cej0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES EDWARD JAMES):
(much deleted)

1.  Alomar was injured early in the year. (may, I think, while making a putout
at home.  McGwire tried to run him over.  Short summary: Mcgwire never touched
the plate, and Alomar's shoulder got screwed up.)  If he'd been healthy all
year he would have had another year like '89.  This year he will bat over .300
and will be stellar on D again.

2.  (I know I'll get it for this one.)  I think that Alomar could be compared
to one of my all time favorite players, Johnny Bench.  Bench is undoubtly one
of the best catchers ever, but before the end of his career I think that
Alomar will be able to be mentioned in the same sentence with Bench.

-- 
Charles James
Lehigh University
CEJ0@Lehigh.EDU
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