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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mdphd-l
Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:36:00 EST
From:         Josh Goldstein <JOSH@NEURON.UCHC.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Potential MD/PHD looking for info and advice

        Re: your question about what to look for in an MD-PhD program:

        I was asking this question a lot last year, and here's what I
generally heard. The med school should not be as important a factor in your
decision; unless you're looking for problem-based learning vs. lectures, or
organ-system vs. traditional approach, you're going to learn everything you
need to almost anywhere. Most med students are happy with their schools
(this is what I heard, anyway), and when you get out into the world, your
patients won't care where you went to school.
        For the PhD part, you should look for a program in which you will
learn to do research. Does it seem like the faculty will care about you,
spend time with you, etc? Do they offer the programs you're looking for? Do
they have anyone you might want to work with? Your field of research
doesn't even matter that much, I've been told; as long as you know HOW to
do good work, you should be able to move to some other field later. Maybe
do a fellowship or something.
        How do the grad students feel about their program? As Brad Katz
pointed out, you want to ask the students (med and grad) what they think.
It's tough to meet anyone but the tour guides (a nonrepresentative group I
imagine) but you can just stop people in the halls and ask them questions.
If you're gutsy enough.

        I was also told to look at the residencies people get into. How do
the med students do? How do the graduating MD-PhDs do? My problem with this
is that I had no idea which residencies were good. I still have no idea.
They usually have statistics like "90% of our 4th years got their first
choice" or "95% were accepted by one of their top three choices". Again,
the statistics sounded good, but not all schools offered them, or offered
them in a standard format, so I had trouble using this as a basis for
comparison.

        I personally looked for schools that were a bit smaller,
graduate-program-wise, for more personalized attention. The downside of
this is that you sacrifice some prestige, I think, as the major players all
have enormous labs. But I didn't want to be taught everything by an older
grad student or a fellow.

        I hope this helps you decide. And I'd also be interested in hearing
what other people thought were the important factors in choosing a school.

                                                --Josh Goldstein
                                                  UConn 1/7
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:42:00 EST
From:         Josh Goldstein <JOSH@NEURON.UCHC.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Length of program, $$, etc.

        Well, I can tell you about the program here at the University of
Connecticut. It's pretty INFLEXIBLE about the amount of time you spend in
it; it WILL take seven years, no more, maybe a few months less. However,
you're fully funded, tuition and fees for all 7 years plus a stipend for
the last 5 of them, and there is NO payback. There is no contract. Once you
graduate, you're on your own.

        This is of course non-MSTP; it's the state of Connecticut. It's the
only program like this I've seen.

        As far as the MSTP programs go, I was looking at them, and the
contract seems pretty non-onerous. I mean, they ask that you stay in
academics for a certain number of years (however many years you spent in
your program minus one), but that's theoretically why you bothered to go
the dual degree route. But I would be interested in hearing from people
finishing up an MSTP program, and finding out what they think.

        To get funding for a non-traditional MD/PhD, you'd probably have to
show someone (NIH, a foundation, the school) why it would be useful to have
someone with both those degrees. As in, these are the benefits society will
reap. This is unfortunate, I think, because you'll never know till you try,
but I think it's reality.


--Josh Goldstein
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:20:05 EST
From:         Snyder Lawrence Hugh <larry@AI.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Being famous, etc

A quick thought or two:
        I suspect that large labs are indeed more productive, in
terms of # of papers / year.  However, sometimes I suspect that in
the big 'factories' that the least experienced folks see the most
and the rawest data, while the lab chief, presumably the person
most able to draw creative, interesting conclusions from the blips
and glitches that real science produces, sees only a very digested,
streamlined version of the data his lab produces.  So if you believe
that lots of really important discoveries are made serendipitously
by careful observers with lots of experience, then perhaps you'll
prefer a small lab, where you, as PI, do more science and less
administration.
Need I add that lab size is independent of PI FQ (fame quotient).

as always,
lar@ai.mit.edu
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:00:40 CST
From:         anthony george letai <leta@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Being famous, etc

There seems to be a certain amount of sanctimonious disdain for people who
want to be famous.(I'm afraid I am not adept enough with the computer to copy
the recent dialogue to which I am referring, but I think you know what I
mean.)I want to be famous.  The way I see it, I can only be famous by making
a substantial contribution to whatever field I end up in.  Hopefully, this
will be a contribution that many others will find helpful.  I do not see fame
as an end, but rather as an attribute of many very productive scientists.  It
is undeniable that most famous scientists have produced more than most
unknown scientists (or doctors, or what have you.)
Do not substitute fame for notoriety here.  I'm only talking about being
famous ina good way.
The fact is, with a big lab at a major research institution, you are more
likely to have a greaater impact on your field than if you are in a small lab
at an obscure place.  Of course, you can bring up all sorts of exceptions to
these rules (the lat Dr. Mc Clintock being a good example), but as bioscience
becomes increasing concentrated on technical accomplishment, there will be no
substitute for manhours.  Of course, clever experimental design will reduce
the manhour requirements, but such clever design applied to a bigger lab may
reasonably be expected to produce more than when applied to a smaller one.

Are big labs more efficient than small ones? Beats me.  Anyone have data?
I do know that Science magazine has reported on the most productive
institutions in the world, aand there are no real sleepers in the list.  That
is, the most productive places are also those that enjoy the best reputations
 (ie, the most famous ones).

Of course, running a big lab might not give you the lifestyle you desire.
Having a reasonable amount of leisure time is important to me, and this might
be difficult if I ever succeed in running my own lab.  Still, this is a
question of lifestyle, NOT a question of contributing to society, earth, its
people, your country, etc.

Tony
Newsgroups: bit.admin
From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Gateway for INDIA-D under discussion
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:33:16 GMT

The list owner of the INDIA-D list on BITNET would like to gateway
the list onto bit.listserv.india-d. This list is a moderated one and
it is necessary that bit.listserv.india-d should also be moderated.

If you have any objections, please email me. At the end of the one
week period of discussion, I will summarise.

Sridhar.
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Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
From: connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly)
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Gateway for TOOLB-L under discussion
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:51:09 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am proposing that a bi-directional gateway for this list to Usenet News
be created.  The newsgroup name would be bit.listserv.toolb-l.  The group
is for the discussion of "Toolbook", a multi-media software package from
Asymetrix.

I am doing this at the request of users on this campus.  I do not belong to
the group.  If there are objections, please e-mail them to me or followup
here.  If there are no serious objections, the gateway will be established
in a week or two.

Thank you.

-- 
===========================================================================
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Information Systems and Computing Services
University of Northern Iowa                       USWestNet: (319) 273-2357
Cedar Falls, IA  50614-0121                             FAX: (319) 273-3509
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:48:24 EST
From: Jim McIntosh <jim@american.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Gateway Terminated for SEDSNEWS

I sent out a rmgroup for bit.listserv.sedsnews last night. SEDSNEWS is
apparently a repost of items already appearing in Usenet, and therefore
NetNews was ignoring them because these articles had identical
message-IDs to items already posted to other groups. Since they were seen
as duplicates they were not posted to b.l.sedsnews.

The listowner has therefore requested that b.l.sedsnews be removed.
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
Newsgroups: nj.misc
From: doug@pizzabox.dialogic.com (Doug Harper)
Subject: Re: FREE BABY RABBITS
Keywords: Rabbits
Organization: Dialogic Corporation
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:46:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.190346.8247@cbfsb.cb.att.com> posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church) writes:
>Free Rabbits to a good home...all sexes available
>                              ^^^

Are there more than two sexes available?  :-)


-- 
Doug Harper           | ARPA: doug@dialogic.com
Computer Services Mgr | UUCP: ...!uunet!dialogic!doug
Dialogic Corporation  | Compuserve: don't bother
(201) 334-1268 x153   | Your right to smoke ends where my nose begins!
From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: FREE BABY RABBITS
Keywords: Rabbits
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:03:46 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Posting for a friend:

Free Rabbits to a good home...all sexes available

For more info call Chris 
	Day 201-386-5435
	Eve 908-687-0925

-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|   Don Church    AT&T Bell Labs   Whippany, NJ  |      
|   dec@polaris.att.com            201-386-4947  |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: nj.misc
From: joeh@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.e.hefner)
Subject: Info on TOYOTA dealer service
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:34:43 GMT
Keywords: car repair recommendation

Can anyone recommend (or warn against) Toyota dealer service in the
Central or North NJ area. I am considering Towne Toyota, and Morristown
Toyota. I need serious Fuel Injection repairs, and possibly engine work.

One thing I've seen at Morristown Toyota is that the service managers
(or whatever they call the people you talk to when you drop the car off)
are not former mechanics. They do not want to speculate on what
repairs are expected. It's just "describe the symptoms, and we'll have
someone look at it". I really feel more comfortable talking to someone
who know a little about how things are supposed to work.

Email please: joeh@garage.att.com
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From: jyoti@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com (Jyoti Butani)
Newsgroups: nj.housing,nj.misc,nj.forsale
Subject: House for sale in Newjersey
Keywords: house
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:27:28 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Concurrent Computer, Oceanport NJ


 ==================House for sale in Old Bridge Township=========================
Four very good size bedrooms                       
2 Full bathrooms
Family room with fireplace
Very large living/dinning room ( 15 x 30)   
Storage/Utility  room 
Wall to wall carpeting in all the bedrooms and living room
New dishwasher and washer
New paint exterior/interior
Ceramic tiles in the foyer
10 minutes commute from Holmdel bell labs 
Close to churches and major highways
Two miles from Matawan train station
50 minutes commute to New York
The house can be used as mother /daughter   


Price:  $ 165000.00
.  

For appointment please call (201) 430-8428 (Day)
	                    (908) 870-4145 (Day)
	                    (908) 566-4369 (Eve)

-- 
US MAIL: Jyoti Butani     Mailstop 117    Concurrent Computer Corporation
FAX: 908-870-5952    2 Crescent Pl.  Oceanport NJ 07757   Ph 908-870-4145 
UUCP: rutgers!ocpt!butani  - - - -  Internet: butani@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com
From: lrodrigu@drew.drew.edu (Lisa Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: nj.general
Subject: Drew Underground BBS!
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:32:16 GMT
Organization: Drew University, Madison, NJ

Call the Drew University Underground BBS, located in Madison, NJ.

We're a message-base-oriented system with 6 ports running on 2AM software.  We 
have a pleasant close-knit group of users that is always willing to expand and 
welcome new people.  If you're looking for a friendly place to discuss the 
silly and the serious, look no further.  

We have:
  Over 30 Message Bases
	General discussion
	Entertainment (Star Trek, TV, Music, Books, Computer Games)
	Discussion and debate (GLB issues, Religion, Politics)
	Specialties(Programming, Writing, Acting, and more!)
  Voting Topics
  Over 15 Trivia Sections
  A Wide Variety of File Sections
	(soon to be specializing in files particularly of interest to 
	programmers)

Hope to see you there!
1-201-408-3016

-- 
School/Work:				Play:
	lrodrigu@drew.drew.edu			larodrig@nyx.cs.du.edu
	lrodrigu@drunivac.drew.edu		LISA on Drew Underground BBS
	lrodrigu@tarzan.drew.edu		  1-201-408-3016

Lisa A. Rodriguez  Drew University  Computer Science Major  Class of 1993
Newsgroups: nj.general,rec.autos,ny.fosale,nj.forsale
From: ramiro@ctt.bellcore.com (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: 1991 AUDI 200 TURBO QUATTRO FOR SALE
Keywords: audi
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:08:35 GMT


I am selling a 1991 200 Turbo Quattro.  It's silver w/gray
interior.  It has 15,000 miles.  The warranty is good until 55,000
miles or May 1995, whichever comes first.

It's a great car !

Mechanics: 5 cylinders, 20 valves turbo intercooled engine; 227
pounds of torque @ 1950 rpm; 217 HP @ 5500 rpm; all wheel drive; all
around vented disc brakes with ABS; four wheel independent suspension;
15x7 BBS RS Wheels; fuel consumption 26 mpg @ 70 mph highway; 19 mpg
city;

As any 200TQ, the car is fully loaded: power seats, locks, sunroof,
and mirrors; cellular phone; heated seats (front seats and rear
seats); Audi/Bose 6 speaker stereo with CD changer (6 CDs); climate
control system; trip computer; real wood trimmings; ski bag; factory
alarm.

Asking $27,500 and open to reasonable offers.

---
Ramiro Reinoso, 444 Hoes Lane, Office RRC-1E-226. Piscataway, NJ 08854
(PHONE) (908) 699-5021  
(HOME)  (908) 545-6258
(INTERNET) ramiro@ctt.bellcore.com
(UUCP)  ...!bellcore!ctt!ramiro

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From: dcoster@theory.pppl.gov (David Coster)
Newsgroups: nj.general,princeton.general,soc.motss,princeton.grad
Subject: CDCC Winterfest
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:10:51 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Princeton University, Princeton NJ 08540.


                                        ________________________
              SWIMMING                  \                      /
                                         \        FROM        /
INDOOR      RACQUETTBALL                  \    THE GROUND    /
                                           \       UP       /
               TENNIS                       \     \        /
                                             \     \      /
                                              \    /\    /
                 IS                            \  /  \  /
                                                \      /
                                                 \    /
            WINTERFEST 93                         \  /
            =============                          \/

(Support the Committee for the Deveolpment of a Community Center in NJ)

                        Saturday, January 9, 1993
                                7PM --- 1AM

                                     @

                          The Club at Woodbridge
                           514 East, Woodbridge

 $10 in advance                     call: (908) 246-4149 for details
 $15 at the door                    CASH BAR, PWA FOOD DRIVE, ENTERTAINMENT


                     BE THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring your bathing suit, paddles & tennis shoes, and food for the drive.

-- 
David Coster
dcoster@princeton.edu
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From: daz@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (daniel.zuckerman)
Newsgroups: nj.general,nj.market.housing,nj.housing,nj.forsale
Subject: NJ Condo For Sale or Rent
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:10:37 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Holmdel, NJ

One Bedroom Condo For Sale or Rent in Highalnds, NJ 

2nd Floor Unit in Bayview Complex.  Private beach, boat mooring rights, 
air conditioned, new refrigerator, dishwasher, ceiling fan, 
and walk-in closet.

Walk to the New York Ferry, or drive 20 mintes to AT&T Holmdel, Red Hill,
Lincroft or Middletown.

Asking $56,000, or rent for $600 per month, 1 year lease.
Will also consider owner-assisted financing, or rent with option to buy.

Call 908-291-4885 for more information.
From: fab4536@hertz.njit.edu (Freddy A. Balady)
Newsgroups: nj.general
Subject: LS Tech Corp
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:37:17 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: fab4536@hertz.njit.edu

Has anyone here purchased a system from LS Technology Corporation in
Parsippany, NJ?  I am thinking of buying a system from this company,
but I do not know if they have a good reputation.  Any opinions would
be greatly appreciated.

-Fred 
-- 

Freddy A. Balady, N2MTA               New Jersey Institute of Technology
fab4536@hertz.njit.edu                Newark, New Jersey
Newsgroups: nj.general,nj.market,nj.wanted
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Princeton-Cranbury area Honda dealer?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:53:09 GMT


I'm looking for recommendations on a Honda dealer reasonably near Princeton
or Cranbury.  I've recently moved into the state and need to start doing
routine maintenance.  Thanks.
-- 

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From: kelsey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (joseph.gallagher)
Newsgroups: nj.test
Subject: a test
Keywords: testing here
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:50:08 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Here I am again posting a silly test message...
Newsgroups: nj.test
From: ramesh@erenj.com (Ramesh Jayaraman)
Subject: test (ignore)
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:19:04 GMT

Regards,

Ramesh Jayaraman
Corporate Research, Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
From: emc@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (eric.m.cunard)
Newsgroups: nj.test
Subject: test
Keywords: one
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:13:22 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

just a test
.
Newsgroups: nj.test
From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman)
Subject: test
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:11:20 GMT

try to end with ^C^C
--
Sanford Silverman                      >Opinions expressed here are my own<
American Cyanamid  
sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com     "Yeast is Best"
From: kelsey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (joseph.gallagher)
Newsgroups: nj.test
Subject: whirl
Keywords: round and round
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:54:50 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

testing this post.....
Newsgroups: nj.test
From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman)
Subject: Re: test (ignore)
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:15:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.171904.3041@erenj.com> ramesh@erenj.com (Ramesh Jayaraman) writes:

   Newsgroups: nj.test
Path: jvnc.net!erenj.com!ramesh
   From: ramesh@erenj.com (Ramesh Jayaraman)
   Sender: news@erenj.com (USENET News System)
   Nntp-Posting-Host: pxdvgx.erenj.com
   Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, NJ
   Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:19:04 GMT

   Regards,

   Ramesh Jayaraman
   Corporate Research, Exxon Research & Engineering Co.

Then I followed up and ended with ^c^c
--
Sanford Silverman                      >Opinions expressed here are my own<
American Cyanamid  
sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com     "Yeast is Best"
Newsgroups: nj.test,ne.test
From: gem@faline.bellcore.com (Gerry E. McTigue)
Subject: Test (ignore)
Reply-To: gem@faline.bellcore.com (Gerry E. McTigue)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:44:06 GMT

This is a test.
From: yves@eastwind.mcds.com (Yves Eynard)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: Re: secret speed limit (was: Witnesses to car accident)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 09:49:17 EST
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063

> 
> That's another topic.  We currently have the lowest gas prices in the
> country.  I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
> why you want it.)  I think it would merely raise the price for full
> serve, and there are times when you want full serve.
> -- 

I must disagree, I can find fuel at a lower price in PA.  Moreover, it 
is not the oxyegenated fuel that you get in NJ.  Adding the O2 alone
counts for an actual increase in price, not to mention that we are
charged again for the "new and improved" fuel.  It is a double-sided
sword.  (alright.. I ment to say "edged")

later

Yves Eynard            | A billion here... a billion there... 
yves@eastwind.mcds.com | pretty soon you are talking about 
                       | real money.
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: Re: secret speed limit (was: Witnesses to car accident)
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:53:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec29.214540.22628@cbfsb.cb.att.com> stevez@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (steven.a.zubatkin) writes:

> >I doubt self-serve would drop the prices.  (I assume that's
> > why you want it.)  I think it would merely raise the price for full
> > serve, and there are times when you want full serve.
> 
> This sounds just like the argument that the NJ Gasoline Dealers Association
> spues forth regularly.  According the experiences in other states,
> this is just not true; lower costs yields lower prices.  Our prices
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> are lower because of lower taxes (see above).

This certainly works in theory.......too bad it doesn't in reality.

I don't much give a damn WHY the prices are low in NJ. The facts are
clear. Other states have self-serve and other states residents pay
MUCH HIGHER prices for gas - check out Connecticut, where a gallon of
premium is about 30 to 50 cents higher than NJ. If ours are the lowest
in the country now, I'm for keeping them right where they are. I'll
tell you one thing - self-serve in NJ is NOT going to make prices go
lower. If anything, they will stay the same and the owners of the gas
stations will pocket the difference they see in their lower costs.

> I do agree that it would raise the price for full serve, and why not?
> It's called paying for what you get or, getting what you pay for.

But you get *full serve* now, for a lower price (as much full serve as
you'd get with a *self-serve* policy). If you don't have a problem
with that, fine. Who's the sucker?

> Steve Zubatkin
> Morristown, NJ




Mark
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