HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: CDplayer 0.8 doesn't work.
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands

It keeps asking for a disk, it won't recognize it and it tries to
mount/initialize it.

My CD-ROM drive is a NeXT, that has SCSI id 3. I ask for /dev/rsd3h and device
3 (whatever that means) through Tylers UI, or I run -d /dev/rsd3h. Now as i
recall, h is the live partition of a SCSI device.

Anyway, what is going wrong here and what should i do to make it work?

Thanks,
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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Not (was: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0)
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:53:07 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <18p22rINN33e@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes:
> If NeXT's shipper's representative is correct about NeXT requesting that the
> shipping of 3.0 be held up, then NeXT owes all of us who have ordered 3.0
> prepaid, many of us several months ago, a forthright explanation of the problem
> and when we will actually receive 3.0.

I was told Wednesday by a supervisor in the orders dept at NeXT that
the good news was that 3.0 was shipping  (I had that it had stopped) and
that the stoppage had something to do with the license agreement that
was now resolved.

So it is possible that:
  the 3.0 shipping delay is old news that just reached the net and
that it is now finally shipping.  just after I was told this, NeXT 3.0
press releases appeared on the net.

  It would be nice if NeXT would let their customers in on the reason
for the latest delay, but I'ld prefer they focus their ad effort on Time,
Forbes, biased Unix and DOS rags than on us USENET weanies.

Remember what Shakespeare said about lawyers

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From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Mach and nbuf. 
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:45:38 GMT

jake@skatter.usask.ca writes
> I followed the thread about changing the kernel parameter  
'nbuf' with 
> some interest, and probably incomplete understanding.  I  
decided to
> alter the number of buffers just to see what sort of  
difference it would
> make.  I used the bsd() sdmach nbuf=NNN command, rather  
than hack the
> kernel.  I understood that the command above would have  
to be re-entered
> at every reboot, while the purpose of the hack was to  
make the change
> permanent.  However, I rebooted the machine to undo the  
change in
> nbuf and to my suprise it came back up with the altered  
number of buffers.
> 
> I mention this 1) to find out more about this behavior,  
and 2) to say that
> doing it this way seems a lot easier than hacking the  
kernel.
> 

The change only has to be re-entered if you power down the  
machine.  The EPROM remembers the boot command last used,  
but is limited to a fairly short string, and a change in  
nbuf makes the string too long.
From: lsf@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lee Finn)
Subject: 3.0/CDROM Upgrade
Summary: NeXT misleads customers again
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:25:10 GMT

Well, I just got off the phone with our campus NeXT representatives who
were kindly checking on when my order for the the 3.0/CDROM upgrade would
be available. NeXT is quoting a minimum of 9 weeks before delivery for an
order placed at the beginning of July. At the time the order was placed, I
was told end of August, tops.

This is not the first time that I have had problems of this sort with NeXT,
and judging from private conversations with other faculty and computer
center administrators my experience is far from unique. I conclude that the
problem rests squarely with NeXT, since I have been dealing with them now
through two different Universities. I find it impossible to believe that
NeXT is incapable of forecasting either the demand for their products or
their ability to meet the demand, so I must conclude that they are pursuing
a policy of willful deceit.

It was my lingering doubts over promises regarding timely upgrades,
delivery, and service that kept me from equipping my laboratory with NeXTs
when I moved here to Northwestern. As I contemplate the difficulties I am
having keeping my NeXT equipments already in place current, I am glad I made
the choice I did.

L. S. Finn
Assistant Professor
Physics and Astronomy
Northwestern University
From: greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: etags, ctags, ...
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:49:32 GMT

Stepstone has a very nice browser that is far superior to etags EXCEPT
that it does not hook into emacs (oh well -- can't win them all)
(Things may have changed -- we're still using V1.0).  I don't know if
Stepstone whether supports the NeXT machines or not.

Also: you need the Stepstone compiler -- it generates *.df files
which are used by the browser.
  ..greg
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greg@sce.carleton.ca             Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1S 5B6.
Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons)
Subject: Re: Not (was: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:17:36
In-reply-to: brunkhorst@mayo.edu's message of Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:38:50 GMT



>> Finally, most academic computing facilities I know try to avoid systems  
>> upgrades during the school year.   This may cause 3.0 to sit on the shelf
>> until quarter/semester break.  More bad press, in one of NeXT's strategic  
>> markets.

Academic computing or the academic market is not one of NeXT's strategic
markets. Actions speak louder than words.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill)
Subject: 3.0 CD-ROM is *really* shipping.
Summary: I've got mine, and installed 3.0 on my NeXT.
Keywords: really really
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:14:45 GMT

Christopher Penrose <penrose@ramirez.Princeton.EDU> writes:
> We have 3.0 up and running on some NeXTs here at Princeton:
>
> Sep  8 04:57:17 window mach: NeXT Mach 3.0: Wed Jul 29 19:43:28 PDT 1992;
> root(rcbuilder):mk-127.15/BUILD/RELEASE_M68K

Yes, 3.0 is really shipping. I got a call from our micro store yesterday
to come and pick up my CD-ROM, and I installed 3.0 the same day. Wondeful.
(They said that they had been trying to reach me since Wednesday).

So, it is here. Even better is the fact that there are very few files
only available as part of compressed packages, so people like me with small
hard drives can mount the CD-ROM and access documentation and occasionally
used tools straight from that, freeing up hard disk space.

The only things in packages only are:

   English.pkg (contains on-line help stuff)
   NeXTTeX.pkg (the only annoying one for me, since I use TeX occasionally)
   NeXT_AppleTalk.pkg
   Sybase_DB-Library.pkg

Regards,

    Richard.
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From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Subject: Tex install on 3.0
Reply-To: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:23:11 GMT

Hmm, I went ahead and used Installer to put on the package  
/NextCD/Packages/NeXTTeX.pkg in hopes of getting the newer tex...

well, now the tex doesn't work at all...gives me:

This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141
(Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)

So I tried running initex by hand by looking at what goes on in the Install_TeX  
script from the earlier relases...still no go...

anyone have any clues?

thanx,

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From: kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:48:29 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep6.143548.9709@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes:
>In article <873@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
>writes:
>Feature Comparison
>........
>
>Thanks for the information.  I have been wondering about theses features and  
>while I agree, your post may be self-serving and not follow netiquette rules- I  
>find it much more informative and useful than a most of the bickering and  
>moaning I have to wade through to ACTUALLY find useful stuff.  Please keep it  
>up.

I agree.  Glenn, keep up your informative postings.  Hell, submit them to
c.s.n.announce.

Cheers...

-- 
  James F.X. O'Gara
  kkw@wam.umd.edu

P.S.  I don't usually leave postscriptums, but I'll make this an exception.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:28:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.141911.7951@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us writes:
>In article <SCOTT.92Sep4230802@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
>writes:
>> Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
>> like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read
>
>I think that comments like these are nasty and uncalled for.  I really  
>appreciate Jack posting the information and wish that more vendors would do so.
>
>I also like it being posted in RTF.  Makes it easier to read.
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Only if you have NewsGrazer, otherwise it looks like this:

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M9G1E8V@@4WEM8F]L.UQF,EQF;6]D97)N($-O=7)I97([?0I<;6%R9VPQ,C`*
M7&UA<F=R,3(P"GM<8V]L;W)T8FQ<<F5D,%QG<F5E;C!<8FQU93`[?0I<<&%R
M9%QT>#8T.#!<='@V-#@P7'1X-C0X,%QT>#8T.#!<='@W.3(P7'1X.3,V,%QT
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M9V5T('1H92!S;V9T=V%R92!O=70@=&AE(&1O;W(L(&]T:&5R<R!H879E(&)E

[Rest deleted--I'm not that crazy--yet.]

	Charlie

>-- 
>
>................................................................simson


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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.151644.22310@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com  
(Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.141911.7951@next.cambridge.ma.us>  
> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:
> >>In article <SCOTT.92Sep4230802@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
> >>writes:
> >>> Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
> >>> like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read
> >>
> >>I think that comments like these are nasty and uncalled for.  I really  
> >>appreciate Jack posting the information and wish that more vendors would do  
> so.
> >>
> >>I also like it being posted in RTF.  Makes it easier to read.
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>.................................................................simson
> 
> Ahhhhhhhhh...At last something besides courier 12 point!  Ditto on all of  
> simson's points :-)
> 
> --
> Ronald Pomeroy
> Advanced Micro Devices
> CAM Applications Group
> rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com

I too agree!  Nice to see real text on my screen!
Jim De Arras
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: greg@agog (Greg Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Simon Says
Organization: Agog, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.201215.6982@liveware.com> todd@liveware.com writes:
> 
> With the new level of accuracy and using a mic it is well worth
> the money.  You can order Simon Says from Greg Cockroft at
> Agog Systems (the makers of Simon Says and Squash!) by emailing
> Greg at <greg@agog.com>...   Again, well worth the money.
> 
> Todd Nathan
> Liveware Corporation

Egads no. Don't send me mail for product info. 
HSD is handling all the customer relations. 1-800-828-5522 or  
info@hsd.com.

	-greg.


-- 
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Agog, Inc.                          (517) 627-2186   fax 2673
13780 North River Highway
Grand Ledge, MI  48837
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re:  NeXTSTEP Release 3
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:00:23 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

In article <dillon.0ndd@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
(Matthew Dillon) writes:
> 
>     Hmm.. It's 108 MB on my just-received 3.0 slab (400MB HD, with 150MB
>     free as shipped)
> 
>     Has anyone running 3.0 had problems w/ Librarian ?	It crashes on  
me a
>     lot (i.e. exits abruptly)... /usr/adm/messages says:
> 
> Sep  5 21:17:10 localhost Librarian[300]: Attempt to remove unrecognized  
exception handler.
> Sep  5 21:17:11 localhost Librarian[300]: Attempt to remove unrecognized  
exception handler.
> Sep  5 21:17:23 localhost Librarian[300]: An uncaught exception was raised
> Sep  6 10:09:12 localhost Librarian[159]: Attempt to remove unrecognized  
exception handler.
> Sep  6 10:09:12 localhost Librarian[159]: Attempt to remove unrecognized  
exception handler.
> Sep  6 10:24:39 localhost Librarian[159]: An uncaught exception was raised
> Sep  6 10:45:19 localhost Librarian[700]: Assertion failed: -dragImage: could  
not get image's global window number
> Sep  6 14:02:31 localhost Librarian[986]: objc: FREED(id): message free sent  
to freed object=0xce720
> Sep  6 21:17:18 moonshot Librarian[210]: objc: FREED(id): message removeName:  
sent to freed object=0xa07a8
> Sep  6 21:17:18 moonshot Librarian[210]: objc: FREED(id): message removeName:  
sent to freed object=0xa07a8
> 
> 					-Matt
> 
When I first installed 3.0 I got a bunch of Librarian crashes. These seemed
to go away after I cleared out all the old index files and rebuilt all the
indexes. This could be just superstition on my part. Another possible cause
is that I was poking around a lot at first, trying to find a bunch of docs
that apparently didn't make it onto the CD. During this process I was
stressing Librarian a lot and it crashed 5 or 6 times. Now that I am pretty
much back to regular kinds of usage I am not having any crashes...with
Librarian that is.
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Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 10:59:04 MDT
From: yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Ethnic Cleansing arrives to the net (was PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF))


In article <1992Sep8.163756.13680@leland.Stanford.EDU>, shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) writes:
>In comp.sys.next.software article  
><1992Sep5.174919.29720@leland.Stanford.EDU> you wrote:
>>
>> >Like a pink slip.  You are hurting your own company, Jack Reynolds!
>> I agree. If users had no choice then I'd make a face and still fork over 
>> cash for PasteUp. Now I swear I will wait for Archetype and Pages to  
>ship 
>> their products. That's one lost sale!
>Oh give me a break! You no doubt would have only been willing to pay  
>educational prices only - right? I don't think they'll miss your $25. So  
>why don't you go back to whatever country you came from and stop bothering  
>me?

Actually, the edu price is about 20X that.  (And I don't have that
much idle cash lying about at the moment...so I won't be buying it
anytime soon, either.)  Too bad there isn't a student price in the
$150 or so range, but I'm not one to complain; edu pricing is good
in that it allows students to buy useful software they otherwise
couldn't afford, but it's bad when students think a low edu price
is a God-given right.  If I can't afford it at the price they offer,
I just have to wait until I can...and by then, Pages or Archetype
may look better to me.  Who knows?  :)  

-Don Yacktman
yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu
From: rsherme@diamond.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer (R43))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Flipping between X11 and NeXTStep.
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:16:48 GMT
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.

A while ago, during a discussion about Mouse-X, someone
casually mentioned that they could toggle between the X interface
and NeXTStep "with a few keystrokes."

I've been unable to discover this feature from the documentation
and man pages that came with Mouse-X.  Would a kind Mouse-X 
afficionado care to clue me in?  

Either an email or a followup reply is fine.  Thanks.

	---Russ
From: glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu (Brian Glaeske)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Diagram and Grady Booch's notation
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:14:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20283
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Is there a way to get Diagram to draw all of the wierd little lines and
end-marks that Grady Booch uses in his object diagram?  

I created many of the other symbols in a palette, but as soon as I group a 
line with another line (for instance), it loses its functionality as a line
as becomes a boring old object.

I beleive I saw someone ask this before, but no replies were generated here
on the net.  If the person who asked about the palette wants my primitive
one, send mail to me.

Thanks,

-- 
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From: lockhart@eecom.gatech.edu (John B. Lockhart)
Subject: Re: VirtSpace (mini -review)
Summary: Here, here!
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:17:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.185301.22122@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes:
>I downloaded both the demo VirtSpace2.4 and WideScreen0.5.  To tell you  
>the truth guys, I like WideScreen much better.
>
>So, someone please fill me in on how VirtSpace is in any way superior?
>
>$30 for VirtSpace?  Where do I send my $30 for WideScreen?

Here, here!  WideScreen is much better.  I sent the author mail at version 0.4
to tell him how much I liked the software, and to suggest gridded workspace
views like olvwm on the Sun--he didn't get my mail, but added the feature of
his own volition in v0.5.

An excellent piece of software.

--John

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From: steve@madhatter.ucsb.edu (Steve Trainoff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Is there a startup file during login?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of California at Santa Barbara, Physics program
In-reply-to: ray@picasso.ocis.temple.edu's message of 11 Sep 92 04:26:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.042635.18858@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> ray@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff) writes:

   Most Unix systems (most I've used at least) have a way of
   executing a script upon user login systemwide (such as /etc/cshrc).
   Is there any such file on the NeXT that I can edit?

Try /etc/cshrc.std

--
...STeve
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Insert pithy maxim here...
steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail)
From: modman@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: New groups in csn* hierarchy (wacky proposal non-rtf)
Keywords: rtf newsgroups csn.junk wacko idea hope you smile while reading the charter
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:03:35 GMT
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <1992Sep14.210413.16164@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
> 
> Ok,
> 	How 'bout this as a solution:
> 
> 	Drop c.s.n.announce. Allow 'advertising' in  
> c.s.n.marketplace.  Marketplace is where you blow your own  
> horn offering software/services etc.  Reviews from third  
> parties still show up in .software.


What about doing a Call For Discussion on

"Comp.Sys.NeXT.Junk: The creation of a news group which may or may not fly"

with the proposed charter

"comp.sys.next.junk will be a forum that is completely commercial in
nature, doesn't have a signal limitation on posting content and most
of all will not have a moderator.  To boot, the group will allow
prices, agressive comparisons between product vendors as well as
'come on down' advertisements in Rich Text Format as well as sound
inclusions containing the sexy and slick sales slogans of hot
ladies sitting at a bar in Palo Alto next to a fireplace poking a
pencil into their heads." ;')

I see this as a group which will be the marketing battle ground which
not very many people will be interested in receiving, as well as
some nets not carrying.  When you allow pricing and agressive comparison
(third party or not) you may very well end up making another group
similiar to the hypothetical c.s.n.j.

Regards,

Todd Nathan
csna modman
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: 2.x Icon.app under 3.0 - NOT!!
Keywords: Icon
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:51:35 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep14.000247.27940@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill) writes:
>Well, I had to have the foresight to use the "Plan Upgrade" option and see
>that it planned on removing Icon because it wasn't part of 3.0. I said no
>to this, and so I still have my copy and can use it if/when I want to.

Bzzzzt!  Upgrade3.0.app wins, you lose :-)  I did the same thing under PR2, but
Icon.app under 2.x is positively stable compared with Icon.app under 3.0 PR2.
But then I've not received the 3.0 release yet, so maybe that was a PR2 quirk.
But somehow, I doubt it.  The upgrade process probably marked Icon.app for
removal for good reason.

Now what I do is boot from my 2.1 MOD and mount my HD whenever I really need to
use Icon.app.  Not the slickest solution, but it works.

By the way, has anyone with 3.0 and a PLI SuperFloppy 2.8 tried to initialize a
NeXT floppy?  Under PR2, I can initialize DOS and Mac floppies, but not NeXT.
I get cylinder group magic number errors that fsck, disk, etc. can't seem to
repair.  I hope it's not my drive and the problem's gone in 3.0.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515