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From: craig.tiras@cutting.hou.tx.us (Craig Tiras) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:TNG CHAIN OF COMMANDII
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:04:00 GMT
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Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: craig.tiras@cutting.hou.tx.us (Craig Tiras) 

This message may get lost in ether, but here goes.  Can anyone explain
why metagen was abandonded?  It seems logical that robotics on deserted
planets with controlled environments would be suited for research of
this kind.  Once properly developed, it could be deployed by detonation
without any harmful effects to the attacker.  Did ST:TNG miss this logic
in their brief explaination or am I missing some logic?
                                                                                                   
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 14:27:53 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@pepsi.eng.umd.edu

In article <4631@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <4630@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
><
><Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.
><
><
><1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
><  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
><  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
><  5   1/23/93  405		Babel

Is there some reason episode 404 is airing before episode 403?

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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
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Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:44:00 GMT

In article <105397@bu.edu>, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes...
> 
>Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:
> 




















> 
>Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
>Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
>a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.
> 
>They have two days to get ready for what may be a war with the
>Cardassians. Riker was making excuses that he didn't think that he
>could get the new shift schedules implemented in time so he didn't
>do it.  If I were Jellico I'd be irate too. Picard looked embarassed
>at Riker's performance, too.
[stuff deleted]

Well, did anyone actually tell the crew that there might be a war? I
do not remember any specific statement to the crew of the possibility.
Maybe I am remembering wrong. Anyone who can verify this?

                            Patti Twigg
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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: DS9 in South Fla.
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:55:04 GMT

To all those is South Florida. Channle 29 will be showing the 2-hr 
prmiere of DS9 Mon. Jan. 4 at 8 PM. I don't know when channel 6 is 
showing it.

For those outside the area, S. Florida is a great example of the "Trek on 
FOx" postings. Broward County gets trek at & pM on Sat. on both Miami's 
channel 6, a CBS affilate, and channel 29, a fox affiliate. It is likely, 
however that DS9 won't be on at the same time on both stations as 29 has 
a lot more avaiblity of time slots. 

Dascoser
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:DS9 - I saw the premier on Satellite!!!!
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <D2150040.mhd9e5@phunt.howtek.MV.COM> phil@phunt.MV.COM writes:
<
<BTW, the date on the splash screen was 1/4/93, which is the first airdate
<for the episode.

Minor nit....it isn't a "splash screen", it is called a slate.
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From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:02:10 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Dec23.183526.8439@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
>into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
>charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
>would take some of the pressure off of this group...

rec.arts.startrek?  That group doesn't exist.


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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:30:58 GMT

msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

>Chop the list of newsgroups (in the 1st post). It was a bad idea...

>A new list...

>TNG
>DSN

     So then we'd have *three* newsgroups (r.a.s.current, r.a.s.TNG, and
r.a.s. DSN) all covering basically the same threads.. If crossposting is
high now, it would be unmanageable if this plan were followed.  This is
an extremely *bad* idea.

>TOS
>ST misc (moderated -- STRICTLY anything that doesn't go
>         anywhere else)

     I find it hard to believe that anyone would be able to justify
the existence/creation of a newsgroup (or subgroup) for a series so
long cancelled (referring to TOS).  Yes people do discuss TOS, but
the number of articles on TOS is miniscule in comparison to TNG and
DSN...  How many articles have you seen posted to alt.tv.twin-peaks
lately??
     ST misc???  We already have r.a.s.m, what would be the point
of having yet another group for miscellanea?

>B5

     B5 is totally irrelevant to the r.a.s. hierarchy.   

>TNG - DSN crossovers

     I think you need to take a closer look at what you are proposing...
This makes * 4 * newsgroups for talking about what fits nicely into one.
Your TNG-DSN.crossover group is in effect the exact same thing as r.a.s.c.
TNG and DSN individually also go quite well under current...  Under
this plan, crossposting would be completely *ridiculous*.

     
>The advantages:
>3 separate proposals that can be used as stand-alone modules if
>they are needed (crossovers -- IF crossposts become a BIG
>problem).
     
     You want to talk about crosspoting problems?  Let's take a 
hypothetical case:
            Lwaxana Troi guests on DSN.  Which group should we
            post to?  It certainly fits in most of the groups 
            you've proposed, so someone posting about it will
            probably post it to all of them (TNG, DSN, TNG-DSN.cross)...
Looks *MORE* complicated, not less.

>That's 7 groups. Remember, we now have 5 groups now
>for 2 shows (and one is cancelled!!!). Seven for 4 shows is
>GREAT!!!

     But you're going to create a group for the cancelled show
anyway, right?...

>                                       If we do this, then we
>just need to make CLEAR that people HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CHARTERS
>OR FACE FLAMING LIKE THEY'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

     If we could make people adhere to the charters *as they
are now*, the newsgroups we have now would suffice perfectly well.
And even if not everyone follows the charter, the current
hierarchy is better than the massive reorganization you suggest.

RC Carman

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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Replacement for Picard
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On 31 Dec 92 18:50:32 GMT, margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) wrote:

MN>I keep seeing the theme of "replacement for Picard" if Stewart leaves.
MN>Jellico is, evidently, a nominee.  My stupid question:

MN>Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  They've offered
MN>him ships before.  He has the experience, etc...  Why doesn't anyone
MN>mention him?  I probably missed something along the way.  Has he been
MN>disqualified? -maybe he has too much hair...

I don't know this for a fact, but my thinking is that the unofficial
reason is a combination of the following:

    1.  Jonathan Frakes is not a talented enough actor to carry the show
        in its lead role.
    2.  Will Riker is not an interesting enough character to carry the show
        in its lead role.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: TNG Upcoming Episode Info
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:56:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1992Dec30.025307.4879@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz) writes:


>Tapestry - Picard dies on the operating table (guess who's responsible). Q 
>appears, and takes Picard on a tour of his life, including his academy days. 
>It is not known if Picard is reliving or merely witnessing it.

Good.  Maybe at the end, Q "earns his wings" and we never have to see
him again.
From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  21-Dec-1992 1337)
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Subject: Re: Multiple ST Roles
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:37:00 GMT
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chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:

> This role [as the Cardassian, Gul Madred, in "Chain of Command"] ties 
> David Warner with Mark Lenard for number of different species (3) played in a 
> ST episode or movie.

Another three-species actor is Marc Alaimo:  Romulan ("The Neutral Zone"),
Cardassian ("The Wounded") and human ("Time's Arrow").

It might be stretching the point, but the late Janos Prohaska played inside
three different species' creature suits in TOS:  Horta, Mugato, Excalbian.

In a related category, Armin Shimerman has played three _different_ Ferengi
roles, including Quark in DS9.

If anybody has a four-bagger, let us know!

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Subject: Female CO for the E
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:17:18 -0500

On 12/30/92, Michael Rawdon was heard to say regarding "Female CO for the E:" 

  MR> If Star Trek gets to the point where it is driven by the need to "set
  MR> examples", I probably *will* stop watching.  REAL LIFE leaders are the
  MR> ones we need to set examples.  This is fiction.
  MR> 
  > Then what do you think about many of the themes pertinent to today's
  > society that runs through TNG?  Such as:
  > 
  > Angel One:  Women's rights Half a Life:  Ageism The Outcast:  Homophobia
  > 
  > Those are just a blatant couple off the top of my head--there are more,
  > no doubt.  Guess you won't be catching TNG any more....
  > 
  MR> Three episodes does not a whole series make.  (In fact, those episodes
  MR> make up LESS THAN THREE PERCENT of TNG's total tun.)

    Key word was blatant.  The are quite a few more bringing the the % total up,
more.
  MR> 
  MR> However, is it coincidence that of those episodes the only one which
  MR> is worth watching, IMO, is "Half A Life", which hardly "set an
  MR> example"?
  MR>
      Tee hee.  You know, I never looked at it that way....
 
  MR> -- Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu University of
  MR> Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI ( Now in the
  MR> Boston, Massachusetts area! )
  MR> 
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.114848.538@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
In reference to Chain of Command...

>But this was the problem with the episode, there were no science fiction
>plot devices at all in this story, and there should have been.  Big ones.  
>I have no objection to parallels to today's Earth, and in fact I like them,
>but they have be drawn with the pencils of science fiction.  This was
>drawn with a twentieth century ballpoint pen.

Okay, Steve, what kind of SF plot devices would you suggest?  Picard was
tortured by aliens, there was a show down in a nebula with spaceships,
electronic torture devices were used, shuttlecraft were flown...what
would have made this "sci-fi" enough for you?  Go to your bookshelf and
pick up what you consider to be a representative SF novel.  Strip away
the ray guns and robots and what do you have?  A story with antagonists
and protagonists.  A story that once stripped of the gizmos is about the
human condition.  Your analogy of "pencils of science fiction" and
"twentieth century ballpoint pens" is a little obscure.  What do you
consider to be the pencils of SF?


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:13:05 GMT
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In <1992Dec21.161910.16223@zip.eecs.umich.edu> charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:

>Spoilers Ho...

>Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice

>*This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.


Yeah.  With all those nervous hand gestures of Jellico's, no one
but an empath could possibly have figured that out. ;-)

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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:27:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.145036.22652@uumeme.chi.il.us> rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us  
(Robert W. Mech) writes:
> I know I would want a professional looking crew behind me, rather than
> people who obviously cant follow regulations.

I always just assumed Troi's outfits were regulation-acceptable alternatives  
to "standard" uniform for someone in her role on ship.  Assuming this to be  
true, the intention was either that Cap'n Jello is very inflexible and wants  
everything to exceed regulation specs (like the drive efficiency levels,) or  
the writers just stepped on the older dress convention because it made a good  
line.  I often suspect the writers aren't as careful of existing conventions  
as the viewers.

michael@monitor.com
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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Jellico got it right... !
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:47:11 GMT

Jellico is the first StarFleet officer to really peg Riker
for the insubordinate, hip-shooting yahoo he really is.
Think of all the times Riker has screwed things up, 
and been saved from really stupid blunders by Data,
Troi, and just about everyone else on the bridge.  And
if Troi is supposed to be wearing a uniform like everyone
else, how has she been getting away with reporting to the
bridge in her jammies all this time????  I think Jellico
has just what the Big E needs; a little backbone... !

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Riker being a Jerk...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:28:51 GMT
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In <athos-301292204200@kip2-34.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>Picard was under the command of the ADMIRAL, not the Captain of the
>Enterprise.  Therefore it would be Starfleet's problem, not his.

And if the Admiral called up and said, "We've decided that you should
rescue, Picard," Jellico would have ended up with egg on his face.
You can imagine him standing there while the Admiral asks, "Well,
why *don't* you have a contingency plan, Captain?"

When you get to the rank of Captain, you're expected to show a little
initiative and be capable of anticipating what your superiors might
ask for.

  
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From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Poor, poor, Pitiful Riker (Lord have mercy on him!) (Spoilers??)
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:35:49 GMT

Possible Spoilers to Chain of Command, both Parts












































The best way for me to say what is on my mind is to be direct, so no offense intended to those  
who love Commander Riker (all two of you).

I think this episode marks the final fall from grace for Commander William G(ee I am Great)  
Riker.  He was insubordinate, conceited, immature, and he offered nothing redeemable until  
he successfully flew the shuttle.

I think Riker hated Jellico ever since he ordered a shift from three to four shifts.  He  
deliberately ignored all that he could from Jellico, and Jellico, who needs to build better trust  
on board, so I agree with Riker on that count only, did not know or want to deal with Riker in  
that way.  I do not blame him.  riker has been a first officer for over five years, and he should  
have known better and set the stage by leading by example.  he could have kept his  
disagreements private, and why in h*ll he should have broken military silence to ask about  
Picard defies understanding (I don't care HOW MUCH he likes Picard--this was inexcusable).

Riker says the same things every time now.  I wish a good writer would submit something that  
shows Riker as a real first officer.

Cowboy
From: nyoung@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The English-Speaking Universe (Ayeee!)
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:38:05 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

First off, as I step feet first into the possibility of
another flame battle, I don't have much faith in universal
translators or any other such dreamed up device. But then,
I am a language nut and not a "true believer."

To wit: take some time and read "Aliens & Linguists: Language
Study and Science Fiction" by Walter E. Meyers (1980 University
of Georgia Press @ Athens).

Then, think about it this way: Only on Star Trek (and other
shows with humanoid form aliens) do you find alien creatures
with upper and lower sets of teeth, lips that enclose and
stand in front of those teeth, a tongue behind the teeth and
a mouth with a palate. The chances are more likely that any
alien (as in non-terrestrial) beins out there in the great dark
wooly space between the stars will not have exactly the same
"vocal apparatus," as they say in the linguistic world. We could
run into beings like Burroughs' Mugwumps: "Thin, purple-blue
lips cover a razor-sharp beak of black bone with which
they frequently tear each other to shreds in fights over
clients...." Or his Reptiles: "A fan of green cartilage covered
with hollow, erectile hairs ... sprouts from behind each ear.
The fans, which mover from time to time touched by invisible currents, 
serve also some form of communication known only to the Reptiles."

Only on Star Trek do we regularly find alien life forms with
mouths, noses, faces and vocal apparatus such as we on earth.
It makes it easy, one must presume, for them to learn English.
English -- as any English-First advocate will tell you, spitting
and slobbering like a rabid true believer -- is the easiest,
quickest, smartest, most civilized, most profitable, most
productive and least confused or disorganized language in the
whole galaxy. Unless you like Klingon. 

That's why English is the language of the galaxy. It's because
those who speak English (and will speak only English until their
dying day, even if that dying day is in the middle of a bunch
of Nahuatl Indians after being dropped by the junta from a 
helicopter) know in their heart of hearts that they are physically,
mentally, emotionally, culturally and psychologically incapable
of learning any other language. You know the type: average white
american MIS majors.

Actually, the best non-terrestrial language prop I have seen
yet in a science fiction movie was the language spoken by the
alien in "Enemy Mine." Now that, that was more like what we
can expect. And culturally too.

Flame on!

Nils

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From: tomonte@heifer.lerc.nasa.gov (Monte Cannon)
Subject: test
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:42:09 GMT


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