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From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (K2K2K2K2K2)
Subject: Re: Rush literature/box set
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:12:53 GMT

In article <cubsfan.726439684@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>Every time I see the occasional reuest for help in finding _Visions_
>or (God forbid) look at my own copy, I wonder...why can't anyone
>write a decent book on Rush...something akin to that U2 book that
>just came out. Visions is the best Rush book by default...cool
>pictures, and a decent history of the band interrupted every
>paragraph by the author's ego.
>
>I look at the bookstore and see books (real books, not picture books)
>af several hundred pages about Metallica or Guns and Roses...a
>real book about Rush would sell just as well as these (Rush's devoted
>fans buying the book would make up for the lack of media exposure
>concerning Rush).
>
>Is the lack of decent books on Rush just benign neglect or do the
>'Boyz not want one written?
>
>--
>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu
>
>"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee


Wasn't there some talk a few months back on the NMS about another book by the
B-Man? Still the B-man, but a new book nonetheless. And another book by
Andrew McNaughtan (sp) the photog? Or am I way off here? Does anyone out there
have any info?

As for the box set, I think this would serve the same purpose that Chronicles
did, that is, be for mildly interested fans only. Those who like Rush would
mostly get or have all the albums already, or at least most of them. Those who
don't would probably not end up paying a lot of $$$ for a box set. This is 
best illustrated by the new Floyd set which has like 9 CDs. I wouldn't pay
$150.00 for music unless I was a _true_ fan, in which case I would buy the
individual albums already. 
    The only reason to buy a box set would be to convert from cassettes to CDs
but lo and behold, the boxes are still being offered in cassette format. Oh 
well.
     I think a better idea is to have what Supertramp has, that is, release the
entire catalog in one package. Saves you time, and maybe even money.
     Frankly, I would much rather see Rush working on a new album than a box
set.

- Il

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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:42:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C0q6Ez.GF1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:

>If you are referring to "Roll the Bones", the weakest of the Peartian albums,
>then you are gravely mistaken.  Even "Presto" is weak compared to their own
>standards.

Compared to their own standards? I think not. Care to elaborate?


Gregg




-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jasonr@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jason F Ralph)
Subject: Re: Roger Waters (I know it's not Rush - read the disclaimer!)
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:01:25 GMT

brownea@cc.uvcc.edu wrote:
: 	I realize in adavance that this post doesn't have much to do with Rush. 
: I _DO_, however think that I would only like responses from Rush fans.
: 
: 	I just recently pulled out a couple of older tapes, both by Roger
: Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking", and "Radio Chaos".  These are (IMO)
: Great music.  Roger Waters (if you don't know) is from Pink Floyd, but I think
: he does a generally better job on his own (I love both of these releases, but I
: only liked 'The Wall' and 'Dark Side of the Moon').  The really interresting
: thing is that both are stories throughout.  
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	Any comments?

This would make each of them some sort of 'concept' album, n'est-ce pas?
(Gosh that's a really original idea, why doesn't every one do that...
Rush, Genesis, Marillion, Pink Floyd, Hawkwind... and just about every
other really good Rock band of the last twenty years!)

Sarcasm aside, I have to agree about Radio Chaos (though Pros and
Cons... is a bit too much like the Wall in style for me) being an
excellent album... Unfortunately my copy went walkabout about two years
ago, so if anyone sees it wandering aimlessly about could you direct it
home? Thanks.

Splottie-kins (A new world, man!)

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  6 Jan 93 17:41:00 GMT

In <1993Jan6.052405.6931@ultb.isc.rit.edu> trc6398@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Craver) writes:

>I don't think it hit the states.  If it did, it's got to be a real
>expensive import.

If this is referring to the CD Rush Over the Europe, that you are
mistaken. I bought mine right in the heartland of the USA, Omaha
NE.  Expensive, yes...about $50.00...but no more expensive than
other bootlegs containing two CDs

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:45:58 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1itpkhINN1su@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:

>  For me, Rush albums peaked at
>HEMISPHERES and began a decline with side 2 of MOVING PICTURES -- though
>not an even, constant decline.  Be "tired of hearing it" if you will,
>but that's just where I sit.

Okay. From the band's point of view, they didn't even reach _maturity_
until _Moving Pictures_. I myself put the (temporary) peak at _Hold Your
Fire_. I'm very hopeful about the next album due to the news that Rupert
(Presto, RtB) Hine will not be producing...


Gregg





-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
From: malzor@vab02.larc.nasa.gov (Mark R. Pickenheim (JIAFS))
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:45:12 GMT
Organization: VAB, NASA Langley
NNTP-Posting-Host: vab02.larc.nasa.gov

Ya know, there's the old my tasters differ from you tastes argument going on
here where everyone thinks he is right.  Relax everyone.  Which album is
'better' doesn't matter- I just know that you had better not make me choose.
BTW, I listened to Caress over the xmas break and it was like discoveringf
a lost album.  The album to me is where the boyz made the cut from what
rock bands were more or less expected to do (the RUSH album), to where
great music with a new energy (w/Neil) but more or less what is expected format
to what I think is the transition album- Caress of Steel- which was not
well regarded (from what I've heard).  But the boyz didn't let it phase
them, they transitioned straight into 2112.

Well, anyways, later.
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:13:23 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1993Jan12.011214.20319@leland.Stanford.EDU> rushrush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Keith Robert Gudhus) writes:

>>Caress of Steel is the best Rush album ever!!
>>You have the cassette version.  If you switch that track with "I Think I'm
>>Going Bald", you will have the complete story of "the Fountain of Lamenth".

>Caress of Steel is decent, but I'm tired of Rush fans asserting that Rush's
>first few albums are their best.  Rush has evolved so much musically and
>lyrically since the early 70's that their early albums don't even compare to
>what the band has done recently.

Caress of Steel is _more_ than decent. I agree with the sentiment that
it is silly to assert that the first few albums were the best (very few
people do, actually), but I also think that CoS has a unique quality --
the atmosphere of "The Fountain of Lamneth" matched only by "Xanadu"
-- listen to the album with headphones with the lights out sometime!


Gregg

-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen)
Subject: Re: An enjoyable Rush weekend on 98 Rock for a change
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:42:56 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na

>Or you could just turn off the radio and put on a CD.  I never
>understood the big deal about hearing certain bands on the radio.
>Most
>of the time the radio plays pure pablum which the masses cosume
>without
>thinking.  A drop of Rush now and again hardly makes me want to listen
>to anything besides NPR (National Public Radio).
>
>        -Phil   

But of course. I don't know why, but Rush does seem that much more
pleasurable when heard on the radio.. I guess I just feel 'it's 
about time'. However, you are correct in saying that most radio
stations play mindless garbage for the masses. That is why
I enjoy 103.1 the underground, which plays tunes that for
the most part are very good and not necessarily the 'top40'
hit for any group (like playing 'Tom Sawyer', etc..). This is
also why I have a 10 disc changer in my car, filled with
some RUSH, Police, Sting, Genesis, ZZ-Top, VH, etc.. 

yet again-
Chris
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: What I prefer - an opinion
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:15:32 GMT

Okay, time for my $.02:
	I've read a lot of people (is kibitzing the right word) about how
disappointed they are with the current trend in Rush music.  I myself was a
little disappointed when I found a couple (2) songs on HYF that I would just as
well (even go to the trouble of - I had it on tape) skipping over.  Hadn't EVER
happened to me before!  But reading currently, it looks like The Boyz felt it
was the top of the pinacle and time to look for another mountain to climb.  I
enjoyed Presto, especially since it was the first Rush release that my wife
liked to listen to as well.  But I don't still enjoy listening to it as much as
I still enjoy some of the older releases (Caress of Steel among them!).  Early
play value=loss of stamina in this case.  RtB was almost a disappointment to
me- but I like the songs on RtB better than those on Presto!  The problem I had
was that it sounded like a version of Presto wit a better recording studio to
work in.  The music in RtB had (IMO) the same feel as the music in Presto.  I
liked the songs more, because they fit into my life better, and have catchier
phrases (I _LOVE_ 'learning we are only immortal for a limited time' - GREAT
STUFF!!!!).
	Next subject:
	I think the type of music we listen to (besides Rush) greatly indicates
the region of Rush's history which we will most enjoy.  I was honestly
surprised to find that some of the posters (what DO you call a newsgroup
member?) liked Metallica, a group which I haven't felt worth the effort to 'get
to like'- too commercial for me.  (e-mail me if you'd like me to explain that) 
And further posts from these people seems to indicate that they are drawn
towards the older Rush stuff - RUSH and 2112 most specifically.  I myself like
to listen to what I consider 'new-wave' music.  That's what it was called in
high school where I first heard it, but it means (to me) 'music which wants to 
break NEW ground'.  This has to do with my philosophy about 'rocknroll'.  It's
about integrity and making a change for the better in the world around you.  I
find that the highest concentration of that kind of attitude can be found in
'new wave' (modern music, I think they call it now) music.  With groups like
Ministry singing 'Every day is Halloween' and the Cure (Why Can't I Be You,
Let's go to Bed).  There are (were) a LOT of others on the radio stations I
deign to listen to, but I don't want to waste too much more bandwidth:=) 
	
	(almost a) Summary:
	What I'm trying to get at is that the music is as broad-based as 20+
years of living.  I think that where we are now indicates what part of what
Rush WAS that we most enjoy listening to.  The cool thing for me is that I can
enjoy ANY of their music, all I've got to do is turn on the stereo.

	Earl

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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:48:49 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Caress of Steel is decent, but I'm tired of Rush fans asserting
 > that Rush's first few albums are their best.  Rush has evolved so
 > much musically and lyrically since the early 70's that their early
 > albums don't even compare to what the band has done recently.

Well, that all depends on what you're looking for in your music, doesn't
it?  I too think CARESS OF STEEL is probably right up there as far as
the best Rush albums.  It's the one I listen to the most right now --
though I only got it recently and I'm all but burned out on HEMISPHERES!
:-)

I'm not as opposed to later Rush as some of my friends.  I think ROLL
THE BONES has its moments, though PRESTO sort of turns my stomach, and
so on.  I don't know from "musical evolution", but I can only look at
each album for its individual merits, and I have to say that I prefer
the earlier stuff to the new stuff.  For me, Rush albums peaked at
HEMISPHERES and began a decline with side 2 of MOVING PICTURES -- though
not an even, constant decline.  Be "tired of hearing it" if you will,
but that's just where I sit.
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From: goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
Subject: Re: Help, I'm buying CDs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:15:06 GMT

The CDs from clubs are just as good, except that I've noticed the plastic
cases actually seem to be in better shape, usually, than those you get in
a record store.

If I were you, though, I'd join BMG instead of Columbia.  You get 4 free,
then buy 1 (or 1/2 depending on the deal), and get 3 more free.  Average
cost, including shipping and handling, about $3.50/disc.

Not all Rush CDs have good inserts.  Most of the old ones just have a
single sheet stuck in there.  I think from A Farewell to Kings on they've
got semi-decent inserts which at least include lyrics.

Also, there is apparently a defect on the 2112 CD now which causes some
players to skip and others simply to click annoyingly at 8:04 or 8:05 into
the title track.  Fortunately, I bought mine before this defect was
introduced...try to find one used!

goo
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Summary: It's pretty good!
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1is1ilINN262@poppy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W J Lynn) writes...
>I do have a question tho.
>It's about Didacts and narpets.
>When?
>Who?
>What?
>Where?
>And most importantly WHY????
>I reckon it's the most pointless track in the world atm.

Caress of Steel is the best Rush album ever!!
You have the cassette version.  If you switch that track with "I Think I'm
Going Bald", you will have the complete story of "the Fountain of Lamenth".

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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Visions
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:12:19 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C0HvHB.FuL@ns1.nodak.edu> rorvig@plains.NoDak.edu (Nathan Rorvig) writes:

>If anyone has this book, would you please e-mail to me or post the
>isbn number? I would appreciate it. Thanks.

ISBN: 0-7119-1162-2


Gregg



-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mmidboe@nyx.cs.du.edu (digital saint)
Subject: Rush Box Set
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 06:42:15 GMT


     I have heard from a friend that Rush will have a box set out in March
or April. I have also seen some talk about a box set on here. Does anyone
have more info on this? My friend said that the box set would have some
new stuff on it also.

mmidboe@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  5 Jan 93 01:14:44 GMT

In <1993Jan4.210242.28902@zip.eecs.umich.edu> graf@morris.engin.umich.edu (James Andrew Littek ) writes:


>Where are people getting these CDs?  I can't find them anywhere?
>If you can help, thanks.

At your local bootleg shop, of course!  These places don't advertise.
My bet is to check small, dusty little shops specializing in
import and used CDs..ask them if they have any rare live recordings.
If they catch your drift, they may have what you are looking for.
--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush boxed set
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > As for the box set, I think this would serve the same purpose that
 > Chronicles did, that is, be for mildly interested fans only. Those
 > who like Rush would mostly get or have all the albums already, or
 > at least most of them. Those who don't would probably not end up
 > paying a lot of $$$ for a box set. This is  best illustrated by
 > the new Floyd set which has like 9 CDs. I wouldn't pay $150.00 for
 > music unless I was a _true_ fan, in which case I would buy the
 > individual albums already. 
 >     The only reason to buy a box set would be to convert from
 > cassettes to CDs but lo and behold, the boxes are still being
 > offered in cassette format. Oh  well.
 >      I think a better idea is to have what Supertramp has, that
 > is, release the entire catalog in one package. Saves you time, and
 > maybe even money.
 
Well, the Floyd set kind of IS releasing the whole catalog in one
package; at least the stuff that matters.  Instead of a jumble (like the
Zep set), it IS the original albums, only completely re-mastered and
polished up.  The 9th disc is a bonus disc with singles which were
previously unavailable on CD.  The set includes Animals, DsotM, Wall on
2 discs, WYWH, MLoR, etc... most of what you'd want if you hadn't bought
the CDs so far.  Remember, this isn't junk music -- it's music that has a
lasting appeal, as with Rush.  Some of us are too young to have had the
tapes for years and to have been interested when the CDs were first
released.  This is a neat way to pick up the whole mess at once.  If you
can find $150 lying in the street or something, that is.
 
And like you said, the release of a boxed set is an ideal opportunity to
upgrade all those old tapes.  Or, lest we forget -- vinyl.  As much flak
as records have been getting lately, cassette tapes have been and always
will be total trash.
From: esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W J Lynn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush over europe
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:51:20 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
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In article <105996@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <16B4B127D6.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>>I just picked up the new live Rush CD Rush Over Europe and the sound is really
>>incredible. There is no location listed on the disc and I wonder if you'll
>>help me out here. Thanks!!!
>>                               Hans
>
>
>So far as I know no-one has identified the location of this show...

What cd is this?
I aint never heard of it.
Are there any other live albums i am missing in my collection?

Warren.
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From: lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Yet?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:24:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <24776@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe) writes:
>
>So, are they recording yet?  The last word I heard from a Geddy interview  
>was that work would begin on the new album around December, with a  
>projected release around March or April.  I'm starting to worry about my  
>Rush withdrawal symptoms.

This was posted to TNMS. I beleive it is legit and correct. If you
want Ken F.'s email address check in TNMS.586 (anon ftp to syrinx.umd.edu)

---
I just heard that Rush have decdided that Rupert Hine will NOT produce
the next album.  Unfortunatley my source would not tell me who would produce
the next record saying only that it is confidential.  (I should be able to
get it out of him within a couple of weeks).. However, he did confirm
that the boyz will start working on new material January 15 and the
target date for release is September 15.  I'll post more information
when I get it.

Ken F.
---
From the FAQ:
---
Latest Word on the next album:

   I haven't seen any official word about the rumors of a boxed set of
   Rush CD's.  Until I see official word on the subject, I'll treat that
   as a rumor.

   The band is scheduled to go into the studio in January or February
   1993.  According to an interview with Alex on 97.7 HTZ FM in
   Hamilton, Ontario, the album is expected to come out in June.  Also
   mentioned is that they will be taking the summer off, so we can't
   expect an immediate tour.  This info was originally posted in
   alt.music.rush on Nov 4 by v281nr6a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark D Uher).
   (According to Jeff Robertson, 97.7 HTZ FM is actually in St.
   Catharines.)

   Atlantic/SRO has denied the rumors that there is a video release
   scheduled for December.
---




-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush Box Set
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:16:31 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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It doesn't make sense that Rush would release a box set at this time,
considering the recent release of _Chronicles_.
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush