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From: fullerto@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: Re: Gibson, Fender, or what?
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:25:53 GMT

In article <MeR3uv600WBLE42o5i@andrew.cmu.edu> Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>
>I was in a music store recently. It did NOT sell Gibson and Fender
>guitars. I was told that both have gone downhill in the past 10 years
>(which is the LAST time I was in a music store seriously considering
>buying). I was also told that both companies do a lousy job of
>supporting their products if you have trouble.
>
	The people in that music store were lieing to you because they
are not Gibson and Fender dealers. Whether the instruments are built
as well now as they were ten years ago is a point of contention. My personal
feelings is that they are really nice now, while they weren't so nice
FIVE years ago. That's really not the issue. The point is they are
really good now. If you buy one new, check to see if the repairman
at the store where you intend to purchase the instrument is authorized
to perform warranty repairs, and there is your product support.

	Incidentally, the Fender instruments made in Mexico are really
nice and dirt cheap. 

>
>    Is the Gibson Les Paul still made and is it still a good guitar.
>
	It is still made and it is still a great guitar. Unfortunately,
a new custom retails for about $2k, (which means you'll probably be able
to get it for about 11 or 12 hundred). You could probably get a standard
for about six hundred.
	Alternatively, non collectors item used customs in good condition
go for about six hundred. Buy it from someone you really trust, though.

>    Have new models supplanted the Les Paul (for example, I was told
>that the Yamaha could sound like either a Les Paul or a Strat at the
>flick of a switch; this seems possible, given that guitar electronics
>have probably advanced a lot).
>

	Some are really nice. I would be inclined to choose Ibanez over 
Yamaha, if you have money, one from the USA custom shop.Absolutely ANY
guitar with humbucking pickups can be wired to be able to switch from
the dark humbucking Les Paul sound to (vaguely) the single coil strat
sound. As your taste develops, though, you'll be able to tell the difference
between a strat with single coil pickups and a guitar with humbuckers and
a phase switch.

	The advice I give to students is as follows: for the greatest tonal
flexibility, get a guitar with the pickup configuration of two humbuckers
with a single coil in the middle. This gives you the potential of very dark
and warm tone (from the neck position humbucker) to very bright and thin
(from the single coil or from phase switches). Then, after you decide what
kinds of tone you want especially, buy guitars which address those specifically
and best.

			Hope this helped!
			Best Wishes...

				Tim F.
				fullerto@cis.ohio-state.edu


	

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky)
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar Amps???
Keywords: Peavey Austin 400, acoustic guitar amp
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.184909.17628@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>
>In article <XcS-4+A@engin.umich.edu>, neufeld@med.umich.edu (Russell Neufeld ) writes...
>> 
>>Anyone know of any good amps for acoustic guitars?  I'm pretty sure Peavey
>>makes one but I've never seen it.  Sometimes I've found a good bass amp
>>amplifies an acoustic better than a guitar amp, but nothing that's
>>too spectacular.  Just wondering . . .
>
>Peavey used to make a line of amps for acosutic guitar, essentially they added
>a horn driver to a regular guitar amp.  Not sure if they still make them.  One
>model was called the Reno, forget what the others were.

I have a Peavey Austin 400, bought it about 1984 or '85; it's got the horn,
only used in the leftside, clear channel.  Two twelve-inch Scorpions (I 
think they're twelve)  I think it's about 200 watts RMS (solid state), pretty 
darn loud - I always have lots of volume to spare.

I use it a lot these days for playing my Strats at gigs (right side channel,
has parametric midrange control to fatten/thin out the sound), seems to do 
all right (I cut the bass down to about nil, it's still got plenty - 
probably what a friend says is the Peavey tendency to be "mudddy")

I bought it when I was buying an Ovation (something like $400) - it went 
very nicely with it.  I don't see it or anything like it in the current 
Peavey catalog (though the Reno is in there, but I don't remember a horn).

Only problem is occasional feedback when playing the Ovation through it
at high volumes... have to stay away from the amp on those occasions.

I never see them advertised in the local papers here, wonder if they
made a lot or if they were popular...

-Jeff
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Musician's Friend and AMS
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:58:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester


	I have just completed an informal survey of the pricing of 
American Music Service and Musician's Friend. And the overall winner
is .......

	AMS!!!!!

Basically, I went through their catalogs and check pricing of items that both
had in common.  Pretty much everything in AMS was cheaper by ~5-10 dollars
on items < $100.  Also, this was the latest SALE catalog (received this week)
of Musicians Friend and the Spring catalog of AMS.  Effect pedals were about
$7 cheaper in AMS.  MF had some good sale items though, but most of them
were on things like guitar stands and such.

I wasn't able to check on the AMS price of DigiTech's RP1, but MF had it
for 449 as the sale price.  If this is their special sale price I would
be very cautious about buying from MF because AMS might actually have been
cheaper.  What did those of you who have the RP1 pay for it?


Kevin
From: muzik@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.t.maggelet)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Carvin wiring
Keywords: single-coil hum
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:07:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


I recently ordered a Carvin guitar, with a humbucker that has
an optional coil splitting switch.  When using the single-coil
mode I get an unacceptable level of hum.  Is there a way that
I can check the wiring simply?  Also I notice that when I place
my hand on the bridge the hum diminishes slightly.

Thanks in advance.
 joe
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: I once was lost but now...
From: greenspa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:02:22 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

whew, never mind...found in sonoma.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin)
Subject: Re: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.134724.16110@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>
>Could someone point me at a good arrangement for classical
>guitar for this Bach piece?  (I don't need tab, I can read
>standard notation - sort of).

I can't speak for the quality of the arrangement, but I believe this piece
is included in a book called "Fingerpicking Bach," which is one a series,
each of which is called "Fingerpicking ______".

-- 
Jim Dalin            "No Salga Afuera"  
AT&T                    N.Y.C.T.A.
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Compuserve: 72260,1573 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Gary Moore
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:09:14 GMT

Gary Moore is an awesome player!  He first started out playing blues in Ireland
and became friends with the great Peter Green of Fleetwood Mack ( when they
were blues) and Bluesbreakers fame.  In fact he now owns Peter Greens vintage
Les Paul.  In the seventies Gary played with Thin Lizzy and different jazz
fusion groups.  He is now back into blues full time with his Still Got The
Blues album and his latest After Hours.  Ive yet to get After Hours (its high
on my list) but Still Got the Blues is five stars!  It is full tilt rock blues.  
I would start there if you want the bluesy side of him.  After Hours is
supposed to be more R&B blues.  You won't be dissapointed with either and if
you like these you should get the video from Still Got The Blues which is a
live concert with guest appearences by Albert King and Albert Collins.  I would
have loved to see Gary and SRV get together for a jam.
							
				Long Live The Blues

Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
From: ibzman@IASTATE.EDU (Donald D Beck)
Subject: GK 212 cabinet 4 sale
Reply-To: ibzman@IASTATE.EDU (Donald D Beck)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:44:00 GMT


	FOR SALE:
	
		GALLIEN-KRUEGER 212GS-
			140 WATT GUITAR CABINET
			2 - 12" 70 WATT CELESTIONS
			HORIZONTAL CABINET
			8 OHMS MONO
			16 OHMS STEREO
			LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD
			LISTS @ $579.00
			WILL SELL FOR $275.00

	PLEASE CONTACT ME AT THE FOLLOWING
	NUMBER AND PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE. 
	AS I DON'T GET ON THE SYSTEM MUCH.
			
			DON 
			(515) 292-0578				
				


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From: frankc@faatcrl.UUCP (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Gibson, Fender, or what?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:45:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Thomas) writes:

>I was in a music store recently. It did NOT sell Gibson and Fender
>guitars. I was told that both have gone downhill in the past 10 years
>(which is the LAST time I was in a music store seriously considering
>buying). I was also told that both companies do a lousy job of
>supporting their products if you have trouble.

Seems like a reasonable thing for a salesman who doesn't carry those lines
to say!  I got the same rap from a Ford salesman about Chevrolets. ;)


>    Is the Gibson Les Paul still made and is it still a good guitar.

Of course.  New ones are expensive, though.

>    Have new models supplanted the Les Paul (for example, I was told
>that the Yamaha could sound like either a Les Paul or a Strat at the
>flick of a switch; this seems possible, given that guitar electronics
>have probably advanced a lot).

Not knocking Yamahas, but I'd believe that when I heard it.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu for 7/21 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:10:49 GMT

	Beatles
		I Will c
	Beverly Craven
		Promise Me c
	Happt Herbert Lawson
		Any Time c
	Gerry Rafferty
		Baker Street c
		Mattis Rag c
	Rolling Stones
		Honky Tonk Women c
	Don Rollins
		The Race Is On c
	Santana
		Black Magic Women c
	Bob Seger
		Old Time Rock And Roll c
	Simon and Garfunkle
		America c
		The Boxer c
		Homeward Bound c
		Mrs Robinson c
	George Strait
		Nobody In His Right Mind c
	Talking Heads
		Take Me To The River c
	Various Artists
		Deep In The Heart Of Texas c
		El Paso c
		I Fall To Peices c
		I've Got A Tiger By The Tail c
		Long Black Veil c
		Lucky Old Sun c
		North To Alaska c
		Release Me c
		San Antonio Rose c
		Take Me Back To Tulsa c
	Velvet Undergroud
		Sweet Jane c
	Hank Williams
		Your Cheaten Heart c
	Neil Young
		Like A Hurricane c

	The INDEX had been updated.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jponzo@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: DigiTech RP-1
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:50:09 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1872@sdrc.COM>  dsschuh@sdrc.COM (Tracy Schuhwerk) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have any custom patches for the DigiTech RP-1 they would
> like to share?
> 
> I just picked up an RP-1 the other night and spent hours playing with
> the factory presets.  Now I'd like to mess around with custom patches
> and see what other people have come up with so far.  
> 
> The RP-1 sounds GREAT!  If you haven't had a chance to mess with one
> of these boxes yet, check it out!
> 
> 		-- Tracy Schuhkwerk
>                    (dsschuh@sdrc.com)
> 
> -- 
> ____________________/________/__dsschuh@sdrc.com__/    Structural Dynamics 
>    /    (___    _  /_       /_          _   __   /_/   Research Corporation
>   / .  _____)__(__/ /__/_/_/ /__/_/_/__(/__/ (__/ \    (SDRC) Milford, Ohio
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Subject: Re: What's happening with Fender amps?!
Summary: Fender
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:48:58 GMT

In article <TILL.92Jul23011016@acid-rain.lucid.com>, till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman) writes:
> The conversation has drifted from the subject line, but no matter.
> 
>    From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
>    Organization: AT&T
>    Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:07:59 GMT
> 
> 
>> 				This weekend I looked at a Jap strat
>>    hanging right next to a american. These 2 guitars were equipted
>>    exactly the same. The Jap was every bit the guitar the amarican
>>    was.
> 
> If you would have looked more closely or played them you might have noticed
> that the two models are nothing alike.  The necks, hardware, pickups, body
> woods and resonances are all completely different.  To me the Amercian
> models are more like the old Fenders and the Japanese models are more like
> Ibanezes, Charvels, or Yamahas.  (Heck, for all I know they might even come
> from the same factory!)

I did play both of them, and I repeat my statement the Jap guitar played and
sounded every bit as good as the American.  There may be better quality in
some of the hardware. But theres no magic giong on here.
> 
> I don't mean to come off so argumentative (cuz Fenders are not my favorite
> instruments, and what they've done to the market is pretty gross) but I do
> think you're missing some vital points here.
> 
>   -- Don Tillman, till@lucid.com
> 
Fenders are some of my favorite insturments! 

Steve
Doin That Blues ThAng!


Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fpeabody@nyx.cs.du.edu (Darren Jacobson)
Subject: Guitar Setup [help!]
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 02:15:42 GMT


    I'm a guitar player who's frustrated with the sound of my current
setup.  I have an Ibanez Roadstar II strat clone running through a Crate
G40C amplifier.  On the clean channel, things sound pretty good. [although
I hooked a Fender Strat up to it for comparison to the Ibanez and the
Strat sounded much better!]  The distortion channel, however, sounds very
grainy and scratchy, possibly due to the fact that this is *not* a tube
amp.  I can't play on this channel for very long, as nausea soon develops.

     I guess I want a guitar/amp setup that will sound good and be
versatile.  On the clean channel, I want a bright, chiming sound. [The
strat I tried out sounded great]  On the distortion channel, I want
variety.  I like the tone of Eric Johnson's lead, Van Halen's rhythm and
lead, SRVs rhythm and lead, and Metallica's power crunch rhythm.  Is there
a setup that will give me this?  [I sense laughter already.  "Ha!  He
wants all those tones?!?  Fat chance!"]  I know absolutely nothing about
amplifiers and very little about guitars [ie. what pickups give what type
of sound, how active pickups differ from passive pickups, etc.]

    Can anyone lead me in a general direction?  What amps or guitars might
fulfill my needs?  I play almost all styles of music [blues, jazz, heavy
metal] so versatility is a key.

    Thanks in advance for all replies...  a


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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Guitar Synths
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT


 
I'm conducting an informal survey of guitar synth users and am solicting
for info from anyone experienced even slightly in MIDI guitar.
...
all correspondence welcome - please email.  I'll post a summary
 
     I tried to send a reply via email and it bounced.
     Did anyone else have better luck?
 
     --Eric
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.142929.20911@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
>There's a nifty Parkening arrangement of this...


I do have one arrangement from a Parkening book.  It is pretty simple
to play.  I also think it leaves out part of the piece. The book
is a beginner's guide to classical guitar.  I don't think this
is what you are referring to, is it Gavin?


-- 

Mendoza: "You must play poker, Commander."
Riker:   "Poker?  That a game of some sort?" -- ST:TNG, "The Price"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: detchay@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (TONY CHAY)
Subject: Re: Improvisation where- Dont worry J
Keywords: lead guitar
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.132947.28947@decuk.uvo.dec.com> jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers) writes:
>From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
>Subject: Re: Improvisation where has it gon
>Keywords: lead guitar
>Date: 22 Jul 92 13:29:47 GMT




>        I like learning solo's note for note from TAB, I think it's great
>        practice, how can you improvise proficiently until you've learnt
>        what its possible to do?

>        J
       
		Hey dude, cool off I wasnt slagging off Tab etc as a 
learning tool.  I was talking about guitarists who have the skills but find 
it easier to copy others than to stick their dicks out and improvise, sure 
use tab for all its worth to learn new licks but don't stop trying to 
develop your own style. 

			yours Tone...(deaf)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers,alt.guitar.bass
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu fot 7/28 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:48:42 GMT

	King's X
		Shot Of Love (improved) t
	Morrissey
		Last Of The Famous International c
	Police
		Walking On The Moon t
	Shel Silverstein
		The Boa Constrictor Song c
	XTC
		Dear God t
	Yes
		Close To The Edge  bass t

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Syd Barrett
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:29:56 GMT

(my apologies if this ends up as a dupe...tass had an error)...

Yes...I've read the books, too.  He had bad trips with acid (one of which gave
him the idea of mixing the names Pink Anderson and Floyd Council) and he went
to hospitals to get help (England didn't have rehibilition clinics - mental
hospitals were where a lot of drug users ended up).
 
And, yes...Syd Barrett did some 'crazy' things on stage - this does not mean
he's insane, however.  Hell, I have friends who think he's locked up somewhere,
which is just not true at all.  
 
Syd was 'gotten rid of' as Gilmour was already playing with the Floyd.  They
only asked him to JOIN (as opposed to only playing with) them when they let Syd
go.  For a while after that, he still acted strange most of the time, but
people change...so did Syd.
 
As I said in my latest message in the Gilmour topic, I don't know the name of
the other book I have (somewhere in this pile of boxes and stuff)...the yellow
one with the Wall-style cover.  This is more of an 'viewed objectively' book
than _Pink_Floyd_, which is 'viewed by the group'.  There are ALWAYS two sides
to things like this.  Come to think of it, it may be called either "Beyond The
Wall" or "After The Wall".  Some portions are about Syd, also.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Blues Net group
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:15:39 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:


>	Does anyone know if there is a news group on blues music. If not is it
>possible to start one?

There already is one called rec.music.bluenote
There's a whole bunch of groups dealing with various facets of music in
general in the rec.music.* area of Use(less)net


Dave
--
From: jmp@moscom.UUCP (Joe Palumbos)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Stanley Jordan
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:46:39 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford) writes:
: 
: This guy blew my mind when I heard him for the first time. I couldn't even begin
: to imaging how he did what he did. Then I saw him on the movie "Blind Date" with
: Bruce Willis/Kim Basinger(?). He started off playing classical piano about age 9
: or 10 I think, then picked up a guitar and just transfered everything across. He
: tunes to fourths apparently.
: 
: 	Cheers... Mike
: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just saw S.Jordan in Rochester, NY at an outdoor concert in
May.  I was able to go right up to the stage an watch from about
20 feet away.  It was a great concert.  

I'm 99% certain that he uses standard tuning.  I was able to
watch his fingers closely, and some of the rhythm that he does
with his left hand would resemble standard jazz chords.  

I was practically in tear when he did an oncore of 'Over the Rainbow'.  


-- 
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