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From: jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: request for newsgroup comp.cad.cadence.allegro
Keywords: CAD ECAD CAE schematic PCB
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:26:03 GMT
Organization: EE Dept at UF

In article <1992Aug14.023217.1829@datascope.com>, jjj@datascope.com (James J. Julian) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug7.155042.23552@data-io.com> gryder@caddy.Data-IO.COM (Gerald Ryder) writes:
|> >Any takers? 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> We would be *very* interested in Valid-specific newsgroups:
|> 
|> 	comp.cad.cadence.concept (schematic capture)
|> 	comp.cad.cadence.allegro (PCB design)
|> 
|> 		...etc...
|> 
|> 
|> We do 'closed-loop' ECAD work:
|> 	schematic capture -> analog & digital simulation -> PCB
|> 
|> 		all on Cadence (Valid) tools.

The charter of the comp.cad.cadence group includes discussion of any 
Cadence related topics, including Concept and Allegro. Since the volume 
of the comp.cad.cadence newsgroup is low, there is clearly no need for 
seperate newsgroups. There's lots of motivation for not setting up new 
newsgroups. For starters what happens when they change the name of the 
product? Given the instability in Cadence's product names, it's probably 
not a good idea to set up a new newsgroup based upon the product names. 
If the volume (eventually) justifies the creation of a new hierarchy 
dedicated to Cadence products then it would be better to name them along 
the lines of:

comp.cad.cadence.ictools
comp.cad.cadence.pcbtools
comp.cad.cadence.sim


BTW, is the charter being automatically posted every month? I haven't noticed.
If its not, I suspect that it would probably be a good thing.

Jon Mellott
High Speed Digital Architecture Laboratory
University of Florida
(jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: mjohnson@netcom.Netcom.COM (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: Voltage diff. dependent variable freq. pulse gen. in HSPICE
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:47:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service

Souds like you want a "Voltage Controlled Oscillator".

In HSPICE there are multitudes of ways to get one.
The most straightforward one is to make a voltage-dependent
conductance, and use that to charge/discharge a capacitor.
As the voltage goes up, the conductance goes up, and the
RC timeconstant (oscillator period) goes down.

    Period  ~=~ C/G   and thus  frequency ~=~ G/C

so the voltage-versus-frequency characteristic is linear.


Another way is to copy the voltage controlled oscillator
that is an HSPICE example.  It is on page 8-47 of the
manual, and is shipped with the HSPICE distribution as
the file     /usr/meta/(version_id)/behave/vcob.sp  .


Not being a Cadence expert (or even a novice), I have
absolutely no idea, zero, zip, nil, nada, how to integrate
this into a Cadence environment.  None whatsoever.

Good luck!

   M. Johnson
From: arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (Arindam Das)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: type-checking in nprocedure()
Keywords: IL SKILL
Date: 21 Aug 1992 05:21:30 GMT

while trying to play with nprocedure()

i first tried without the type-checking template:

<64> nprocedure( argevaluate(arg)
                arg
        )
argevaluate

<65>  argevaluate(2 + 3 + 4 + 5)
((2 + 3 + 4 + 5))

which worked (as seen above)

But on using type template i got an error message as follows:

<5> nprocedure( argevaluate(arg(2 5 "Sg"))
                        arg)
*Error* def: formal argument must be a symbol - (nlambda ((arg 2 5 "Sg")) arg)
<<< Stack Trace >>>
nprocedure((argevaluate (arg 2 5 "Sg")) arg)
<6> 

i can't figure out the mistake. could someone help ?

-arindam

p.s. [reference: see  page 2-70 in SKILL Edge manual]


Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: marke@cadence.com (Mark Evangelisto; x6269)
Subject: Re: M to Verilog translator
Organization: Cadence Design Systems/ACAE Div, Lowell MA
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 05:49:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.113355.28527@ericsson.se> extchbu@kk.ericsson.se (Christian Burisch TT/RKE) writes:

>>   Hi,
>>
>>   Is there an M -> Verilog translator available?
>>   M is the modelling language of Mentor LSIM, 
>>   Verilog is a digital simulator from Cadence.
>>   No support is necessary, any "hack" would be welcome.
>>   Please email to me or post.
>>
>>   Thanks in advance,
>>
>>   Christian


I know of no products within Cadence that go from M->Verilog and have
only heard the subject broached once or twice over the past few years.
Are there any publically available parsers of the M language available
that one can hack around with?

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: jabarby@sun5.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (J.A. Barby)
Subject: Re: Voltage diff. dependent variable freq. pulse gen. in HSPICE
Keywords: Pulse generator, HSPICE
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:42:41 GMT

In article <tapas.714188644@femto.engr.mun.ca>, tapas@pooh.engr.mun.ca (Tapas Banerjee) writes:
>   I want to have a pulse generator in HSPICE, whose output frequency
> will be proportional to Voltage diff. between an output node voltage
> and another input node voltage.
> 
>   Could anyone please help me out.
> 
>   Thanks in advance.
> 
>     -  TAPAS 

The simple answer is give up on Hspice and use the vco template/model in
Saber.  aacl@analogy.com can supply you additional information.
-- 
 Jim Barby  <jabarby@vlsi.UWaterloo.ca>
 VLSI Group, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2L 3G1
 519-885-1211x3995, FAX 519-746-5195
From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: open collector implementation
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:11:10 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.004807.26518@u.washington.edu> dong@milton.u.washington.edu (Dong-Lok Kim) writes:
>Does anyone know how to implement the open collector in Verilog
>language? Do I have to use OR gate to achieve the wire OR or
>wired AND logic?
>
>Dong-Lok Kim
>ICSL (Image Computing System Lab)
>Dept. of Electrical Eng., FT-10
>University of Washington
>Seattle, WA 98195

I'm sure many readers here could answer the question, but before we go too
far down this road, I should point out that Verilog discussions are beyond
the charter of this newsgroup.

You would probably have better luck posting to comp.lang.verilog.

  - Tom A.
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From: betz@pinecrest.nsc.com (Gary Betz)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Allegro 'system' command advisory
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:19:00 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

There has been an UNDOCUMENTED change in the 'system' command for
Allegro 5.1 release. It has been changes to 'run'. Just a note for those
who use it. Evidently they changed the command name in anticipation of
Allegro 6.0 release.

-- 
Regards,

Gary Betz
National Semiconductor Corp.
Santa Clara, Ca
From: karen@diasonx.UUCP (Karen Louie)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Automatic reference designator placement
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:54:14 GMT
Reply-To: karen@diasonx.UUCP (Karen Louie)
Distribution: all
Organization: Diasonics Inc. -- Milpitas, California

I have a multisheet schematic drawn with Composer 4.2. Now I want to put
reference designators on all my discrete and digital components. 

Is there a function in Composer or a SKILL program that can be used
to generate the reference designators automatically and placing them
without going into the "Update Instance" form and placing each
one individually? 

Does anyone know if there is a third party vendor who generates
Composer schematic symbols?

Thanks for any help you can give.
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: tapas@pooh.engr.mun.ca (Tapas Banerjee)
Subject: HELP - About my last posting
Summary: Help with HSPICE
Keywords: HELP
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:27:06 GMT

 In my last posting I talked about a problem with HSPICE, that I faced. I am
posting it again, since I never got a response.

 Is there any SPICE gurus around who could help me out. 

 I want to have a pulse generator in HSPICE, whose output frequency will be
proportional to Voltage diff. between an output node voltage and another
 input node voltage.

 Thanks in advance.

  -  TAPAS

  
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: njain@bnr.ca (Narendra Jain 1189092)
Subject: Re: a problem in invoking IL
Keywords: IL SKILL
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:05:21 GMT

In article <1411@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (Arindam Das) writes:
>while using IL interpreter in OpenWindow I came across a problem:
>
>and it got stuck. I typed ^C but it was of no use.

Typing ^D let me quit interpreter without any problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: ba844@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Don Atkinson)
Subject: Zip Code/City state file needed!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:04:46 GMT


Does anyone know where I can get a "flat file" which contains zip
code along with the city and state?

-- 
Commander, these people are not emitting any life signs! - Data
From: camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cindy)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: help! need public access system/internet
Keywords: internet, access, help, free or cheap
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:58:28 GMT
Organization: UB

help!  i'm about to lose internet access when i graduate
from SUNY buffalo.  i need any information about public
access systems, for-pay accounts or free if there is
such a thing - not local BBS's, but actual internet
e-mail priveleges and so forth.  i know there's one in
Washington D.C. but i'd prefer something more local;
i'm posting this with distribution to world though
because there's no telling who'll be able to help me
out, here.

i'm not sure when my account will be shut down, so
as well as my own address i'm sending that of a good
friend of mine who'll still be a student here in the
fall.  you can send mail to him if/once my account
has been shut off.

i am Cindy Murphy at camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu

my friend is Mike Bosworth, v071pwlg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

thank you....
ORGANIZATION: JOHANNES KEPLER UNIVERSITY LINZ - COMPUTING CENTER
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 14:34:36 CDT
From: Werner Noska <K3022E8@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: NNTP News Server - How to use?

Who knows how to work with the NNTP News servers
(telnet uwm.edu 119,
telnet sol.ctr.columbia.edu 119,
telnerusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 119)
The HELP-command only gives a list of available commands without explaining
them.)


 Thanks in advance!

    Werner Noska
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: What is Occam's Razor
Date: 18 Aug 1992 23:36:43 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com


Occam's Razor is the rule that the simplest theory that accurately explains
all the facts is the one that should be accepted.  For instance, when
explaining the apparent motion of the planets in the night sky, there were
two competing theories: Earth-centered and Sun-centered.  The latter was
accepted because its elliptical orbits are much simpler than the former's
complex arrangement of epicycles.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: What is Occam's Razor
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:18:42 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

>Occam's Razor is the rule that the simplest theory that accurately explains
>all the facts is the one that should be accepted.

To be exact, "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", or,
in Occam's native language, "Entities should not be multiplied without
necessity." If I recall correctly, Occam never said this in so many
words, but this is the standard statement of the Razor.

In other words, use the simplest _set of postulates_ necessary to
explain a phenomenon.

>For instance, when
>explaining the apparent motion of the planets in the night sky, there were
>two competing theories: Earth-centered and Sun-centered.  The latter was
>accepted because its elliptical orbits are much simpler than the former's
>complex arrangement of epicycles.

I'm not sure that's a good example. Both can be derived from the same
_set of postulates_. The calculation's just simpler if you change the
coordinates. (Or is calculation an entity? Is this point scholastic?
Why can't one find a good nominalist when one needs one?)

Perhaps a better example is that one should avoid the Axiom of Choice
when it's not necessary to a proof, or that Newtonian mechanics wasn't
abandoned until physicists found phenomena that it couldn't explain.

Quine has a fairly amusing line about being, nonbeing, Plato's beard
and Occam's Razor, but I don't remember it ....


dhs    spencer@panix.com
"Upon reading Goethe, I am always struck by the paralyzing
 suspicion that he is trying to be funny" - Waugh
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: What is Occam's Razor
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:02:15 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

I've been waiting for someone to post the story about Mr Occam (don't have my
reference handy and forgot his first name) and his razor.

The way I remember the story is:
Occam was an enlisted man in the Union army during the Civil War and was in
charge of supply.  There were shortages of blankets, uniforms, boots, etc.  At
night when the soldiers were sleeping he used his straight razor to cut the
throats of some soldiers (in the same camp) to acquire more blankets, boots,
etc.

Chas
From: jon@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Jon Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Scrabble dictionary on-line?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:17:14 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Aug11.232800.24780@athena.mit.edu> ark@athena.mit.edu (Andrew Kirmse) writes:


>	Does anyone know where I can find an on-line version of the
>official Scrabble dictionary?  I need a comprehensive list of words (with plurals
>and all verb forms) for use in a Scrabble game I'm writing.  Pointers to other
>sources of info or places to ask would also be appreciated.  Please respond via
>e-mail; I'll post if there's interest.

There's interest here.....

Jon


Jon Wells
University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology
Language & Linguistics Dept.
Tel: +44 61 200 3108
Fax: +44 61 200 3099
e-mail: jon@ccl.umist.ac.uk
snail-mail: Jon Wells, Dept. of Lang. and Ling., UMIST, POBox 88, Sackville
Street, Manchester, M60 1QD

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From: gonzalod@amex-trs.com (Gonzalo Diethelm)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: AFS calls from C code
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:54:59 GMT



Distribution: world

Hello everyone,

This might be a FAQ, or maybe I should RTFM, but in this case
TFM is about 400 pages and I need this done REALLY SOON. So,
here it goes:

Does anybody know how to have AFS-like functionality in your
C code? Pipes or system() is not acceptable. For example,
how would you implement a function like:

int klog(char *username, char *password)
/*
 * Same thing as the Kerberos klog utility.
 */

but without opening a pipe and actually executing the program
in /usr/afs/bin/klog?

What I'm looking for specifically is a way of checking the
AFS information for a user given his/her login id, uid, etc.
The .h files in my /usr/afs/include directory don't even have
ANSI prototypes, and the manuals are VERY long and terse.
I haven't found any examples either. Can anybody lend a hand?
Please answer by e-mail. Thanks in advance and regards.

P.S. Just in case, I'm using AIX 3.2 and AFS 3.2b

gonzalod@amexphx.amex-trs.com
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From: nbc2543@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil ( Jeffrey A Erickson)
Newsgroups: dod.test,comp.misc
Subject: Please respond
Keywords: testing post outside of Columbus, Ohio
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:18:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus


 I apologize if this is improper to post this on comp.misc. I do
understand not using bandwidth unnecessarily. But expect for .mil
test groups I can not post to other test groups and this seemed a
better group than say sci.skeptic.
   If are outside of Columbus, Ohio, please email (because of
bandwidth) and let me know where you are.
   Most of my posts are not getting out of Columbus.
    Thank you in advance.

  Respectfully Yours;
  Jeff Erickson

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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: ccy@po.CWRU.Edu (Cheung C. Yue)
Subject: Re: help! need public access system/internet
Reply-To: ccy@po.CWRU.Edu (Cheung C. Yue)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 12:00:55 GMT


In a previous article, camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cindy) says:

>help!  i'm about to lose internet access when i graduate
>from SUNY buffalo.  i need any information about public
>access systems, for-pay accounts or free if there is
>such a thing - not local BBS's, but actual internet
>e-mail priveleges and so forth.  i know there's one in
>Washington D.C. but i'd prefer something more local;
>i'm posting this with distribution to world though
>because there's no telling who'll be able to help me
>out, here.

Case Western Reserve University initiated the Cleveland Freenet
project a number of years ago, and this Freenet concept has grown
quite a bit over the years, including the formation of the NPTN
(National Public Telecomputing Network or something like that)
modeled after PBS or NPR.  You can become a registered user by
calling with your modem to 216-368-3888, or Telnet to
cwns5.ins.cwru.edu.  Tour the system as a guest, then register
to obtain Internet e-mail privileges.  A number of other Freenets
have sprung up, mostly in the mid-west area.  While in Cleveland
Freenet, you can find out about what other Freenet systems are
around by going to the Teleport (one of the menu choices that you
will see).  Good luck.
--
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: microlink help wanted
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:23:42 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Derek H Cedillo concerning MICROLINK HELP WANTED on 08-16-92:

DH>I was wondering if anyone out there uses MicroLink

I do.  Let's see what I can do.

DH>It wont transfer (recieve) anytime After Dark runs,
DH>just reads: OVER RUN ERROR, and cant come back.

I run After Dark and Microlink, I have no such problem.  Ever.  What 
version of each are you running?

DH>And anytime I type the letters "rz" by themselves
DH>followed my a CR, it sets up to recieve.
DH>Even, if RZ is just a printout (notice How I am
DH>avoiding typing those letters in lowercase and alone?)

This is how its auto-download is triggered... not the most desirable 
means, but it works.  I get around this by typing 

\r\z<CR>  

to invoke 'rz' on the host system.

DH>It also isnt sending in Zmodem ok.  I never had problems
DH>before, and was just wondering if anyone out there
DH>might have an idea what the problem is.

I've never had a problem (other than the 'rz' thing) such as you describe.

DH>It is very hard to get a hold of MicroWerks,
DH>because they only have an address not a Tel. #.

If you have access to RIME, Stephen Leitner (the primary author of 
Microlink) participates on the RIME Windows conference.  T communicate 
with him there.

He can also be reached at Atlanta Windows BBS, 404-516-0048.  He's working 
on setting up a support BBS of his own;  until then, this one serves.

I have sent him many bug reports, and he has been most responsive, sending 
me three bugfixes in the last two months.  He likes it when people write 
to him, detailing their problems.  Please, if you can not reach him via 
the other means I have described, do write to him.




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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: MSX information wanted
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:26:20 +0000

Many years ago Microsoft ``sponsored'' the MSX standard. At the time I took
no notice of it but now I need information about it. My mother has acquired
a Toshiba HX-10 and wants to use it to keep track of various magazines and
articles.

I'd like to know if there is:

1)  any software still being produced for this type of machine;
2)  any information of this particular machine---such I/O addresses
    bus signals etc
3)  any archive sites that might hold other MSX software.

If you are able to help it would be much appreciated. 

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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: ouwendyk@prso.pttnwb.nl (A.P.J. Ouwendijk)
Subject: Re: **WANTED!!** Undelete application for Unix/NeXT
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:52:28 GMT

dkwan@shade.UWaterloo.ca (Derek Kwan) writes:
|> I'm looking for any application can do UNDELETE on Unix/NeXT on a hard  
|> drive... Because my network operator just deleted my stuff!!  :-(

First delete your network operator, then restore your backups.
But I guess you don't have them, haven't you?

;-) ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: jjjbokma@cs.ruu.nl (John Bokma)
Subject: ZX Spectrum Disc Format Wanted (Opus)
Summary: Disc format wanted
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:57:22 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: ZX Spectrum

Help, can somebody please mail me more info about the disc formats used
by misc spectrum diskdrives (e.g. Opus) 

Info like: tracks, sectors, sectorsize, SS/DS, how files and directories
	   are stored etc.

	   Please Mail

	   John