HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to my Powerlifting Sig
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:30:31 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <tmsx2bh@rpi.edu> cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.201052.2762@bnr.ca> Reg Foulkes writes:
>>In article <14613@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Do you want to armwrestle me too?  We should have a bench/squat/armwrestling
>>>competition.  :-)
>>>
>>>							-Adam
>>
>> How about bench/squat/armwrestling/legwrestling competition. I'll win the 
>>two that Adam looses.
>>
>>--------------------------------
>>Reg Foulkes                             Bell-Northern Research
>>riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca           2745 Iris Street
>>Telephone :(613) 763-4131     Ottawa, Ontario., Canada  K1Y 4H7
>
>Was that 2 supposed to be a 4?
>
>Ron
>p.s. I make no claims to be able to win 'em though...
>p.p.s. But I am pretty good at armwrestling (when my wrist ain't
>        acting up.)


Sounds like some serious hedging to me...  I'll tell you what.  We'llI
get him worn out then you take him and have the fun of crushing that
net-renouned ego.

By the way, exactly what is 'legwrestling'?
Art
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Arm Wrestling - Which Muscles ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:40:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <qlsxp8g@rpi.edu> cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.165127.6956@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>>Actually, Adam, we all expected you to list everything that excluded
>>any muscles in your legs :-).
>>
>>Man, 250 squat?  How do you stand up?  :-)
>>
>>GMS
>
>His ego hold him up! (just kidding dude)
>
>Ron

Very funny, you net nerds!  :-)  I have to admit, I do have an ego.  It's not
really big though.  Honest.  :-)

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mlabow@iat.holonet.net (Marshall Labow)
Subject: Re: High protein meal....
Organization: HoloNet Internet BBS: 510-704-1058
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:18:29 GMT

In article dated Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:05:21 GMT, gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca
(Guy Middleton) writes:

>The conventional wisdom says that, after doing weight training, muscles
>rebuild themselves, and need dietary protein to do this.  I normally eat a
>high-carbohydrate diet, so I have a couple of questions:
>
>        Should I have a high-protein meal on days when I do weights?
>
>        Is it better to eat such a meal before or after weight training?

IMHO, people on a western diet eat way too much protein for even
bodybuilders. After all, muscle is about 70% water, so to gain a pound of
muscle would only require about 4.8 ounces of protein. And you aren't going
to gain a pound of muscle in a day!

Protein is best eaten over several (say 5-6) small meals a day. Ideally, a
diet should be high in carbohydrates (preferably complex carbohydrates),
moderate in protein and low in fat. After a workout, you need to replenish
carbohydrates, but I'm not sure that it makes a great deal of difference when
you eat them as long as it is at least 12-16 hours before your next workout.
Personally I like to lift in the morning on an essentially empty stomach
(except for coffee) but some people like to eat before they train.

The bottom line is find out what works for you, as we all are different and
have slightly different nutritional needs.
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Ravenous appetite among lifters
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)



Since there are so many bodybuilders on this board, I thought I'd ask
something that's been bothering me lately.

Over the years, I have lifted, and I've jogged, and swam and various
other activites.  Only during the past few months, however, have I
combined weight-training, aerobic exercise (mostly brisk walking and
light jogging), and a carefully controlled diet.   However, lately I
have found myself snacking a lot (and I'm NOT hypoglycemic!).  I'm
getting concerned, because even though I consume mostly low-fat foods,
even excess low-fat food can be fattening.

I realize that exercise can crank up a guy's appetite, but I wonder if my
increased eating might not also be due to other factors (such as stress
and outright greediness).  I only weigh about 132 lbs., but I've found
myself consuming about 2600 cals over the past week.  Considering that I
have a layer of fat around my midriff that I'd like to get rid of, I
find this a little disturbing.  I've become pretty well-muscled, but I'm
hardly bulging with muscles yet.  I also walk a lot every day, and jog
probably about twice a week. 

Any comments?  How much do you guys weigh, how many cals do you consume,
and how well-built are you (modesty aside)?  Also, how active is your
lifestyle?  All these factors, of
course, should be taken into consideration.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The misc.fitness TOP TEN list
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:20:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul31.092005.4982
Organization: Western Washington University

loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>> A one-line followup to a 100-line post with NO TRIMMING DOWN?!?!?!  Come
>> on, bonehead, you can do better than that!

>Listen BONEHEAD, my system was crashing and I had to log off before I could
>edit the damn thing.  To all of you other boneheads that emailed your 
>intelligence to me, don't bother wasting my time with stupid-ass replys 
>like that.  I'm sorry I wasn't able to cut it down, but under the 
>circumstances, I didn't get a chance to.
>--Rob

Ah, outside forces, I see.   Are these same forces acting on you still,
preventing you from canceling your article that wasted the time of so
many misc.fitness readers?

(and is wasting their time still, as new readers are victimized by
scanning your 100 lines of null bandwidth each hour)

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: Cold and Tired
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:03:25 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I agree with the person who posted a message here that the woman who is
cold and tired should see a physician.  Being cold and tired can be
symptomatic of SO many things that it couldn't be answered via computer.
One thing that jumps to my mind is 'underactive thyroid'.  But there are
many reasons, which may or may not have much to do with exercise or
vitamins/minerals, per se.

     
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel)
Subject: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:00:02 GMT

I'm looking for information about a low carbohydrate diet for weight loss.
I have questions like how does it work (nutritionally), are there any
bad side effects of it, how long must or can one stay on it, etc.

Pointers to written materials would also be welcomed.

Dennis R. Vogel
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Middletown, NJ
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:16:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I'm lookin for a way to tighten my abs so that my stomach will
look the way it does when I consciously suck it in an inch or so...
except I want it to look that way all the time, without having
to suck it in. :)  Any suggestions?

-- 
          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 11:07:06 EDT
From: Robert Cryan Jr. <IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MY STORY - Input welcome!!

In article <1992Jul20.133522.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, agourlaya@cc.curtin.edu.au
says:
>no pills, and less expensive)?  My only complaint with my training so
>far is that, no matter how hard I train and diet, my upper body starts
>to look pumped and ripped, but I still can't get rid of those damn
>love handles.  It seems like I'll never get the abs I work so hard for.
>

I have a similar problem in that _it seems_ no matter how hard I train my
chest and abs and diet I cant seem to get cut.  The only thing that seems
to work is 4-5 small meals per day (15-20% fat, 25-30% protein,  and
60-65% carbs) with weights 4 times a week and aerobic work at least 4 times
a week.

Reevaluate your diet and training and then give the new system time to work.
I like to give most changes at least 1 month more often 2.

Of course my opinoins are just that.  Other opinions are welcome.

Rob
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:36:03 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <8eR30dq00WB30C5Gct@andrew.cmu.edu>, ls3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laurence D. Silverman) writes:
> I've read that it's important to consume a good amount (200-400 calories) of
> carbohydrates soon after long excercise.  This helps to replenish the
> glycogen stores in the muscles for the _next_ workout.  It's generally
> a good idea to eat the carbs between 15-45 mins. after the workout.  High
> quality carbs (beans, pasta, rice) are best.  Fruit sugar is also good,
> as well as maltodextrin, which is a type of complex carb found in a number
> of sports-oriented foods (energy bars, powder drinks).
> 
> If your activity is sustained for long periods of time (i.e. greater than
> an hour) it's a good idea to be nibbling on something frequently to keep
> the blood-sugar level high.
> Other opinions/contradictions welcome.
> 
> 
> -Lar

It's a good idea, but not always necessary.  If your eating while your working
out, some of the blood that is going to your muscles is diverted to the 
intestines for absorption of what your eating.  This is blood that should be 
going to your muscles to bring O2.  Just keep that in mind.  Sometimes, if for
some reason, my muscles all of a sudden give out on me, I'll drink a Twinlabs
Ultafuel which has glucose and I believe fructose in it.  This gives me enough
of a boost to continue with my workout.

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*Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu       * *---***----***----* *                     *
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From: remus.rutgers.edu!clong@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stiff-armed Pullovers
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:39:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant


I've recently added these back to my program, and I wonder
if I'm doing them correctly.  After I finish, I crunch my
pecs and feel a soreness in the lower middle pec area; is this
as it should be?  Also, should I try to build up the weight for
this exercise?  Currently I'm using a 15 Kg plate.  Any
comments on sets/reps, how often, correct breathing, or comments
on results from doing these?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,sci.med,rec.running
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:19:37 -0400 
From: "Laurence D. Silverman" <ls3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?

I've read that it's important to consume a good amount (200-400 calories) of
carbohydrates soon after long excercise.  This helps to replenish the
glycogen stores in the muscles for the _next_ workout.  It's generally
a good idea to eat the carbs between 15-45 mins. after the workout.  High
quality carbs (beans, pasta, rice) are best.  Fruit sugar is also good,
as well as maltodextrin, which is a type of complex carb found in a number
of sports-oriented foods (energy bars, powder drinks).

If your activity is sustained for long periods of time (i.e. greater than
an hour) it's a good idea to be nibbling on something frequently to keep
the blood-sugar level high.
Other opinions/contradictions welcome.


-Lar
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Ravenous appetite among lifters
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:57:10 GMT


In a previous article, amelito@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Amelito Enriquez) says:

>	I would think that your increased calorie in-take is due mainly to 
>increased physical activity.  Before I started working-out regularly (this
>was four years ago), I used to eat three "regular" meals a day.  Nowadays, 
>I need to eat constantly throughout the day--needing six to seven "good" meals
>a day just to maintain my weight.  I suggest that you continue with your eating
>habits and monitor your progress (weight, how "fat" or "ripped" you look, etc.)
>for a few weeks and modify your habits according to how your body responds.
>I guess we have completely opposite problems since I find eating to be such a
>"chore".
>	I do not know exactly how many calories I consume everyday, but I would
>say that it is between 3000 and 3500.  I am 5'2" tall (short!) and I have been
>at 150 lbs for the last 5 or 6 months.  I was over 50 lbs lighter when I was
>consuming about half of my current calorie in-take.

Hola, Amelito!  Tan gracias.

I'm 5'6" (also short!), but probably not as muscular as you, judging
from your weight.  As I said, I currently weigh about 132 lbs.  

Your suggestions sound good.  Trouble is, I'd hate to gain any fat AT
ALL if I can avoid it from the start (easier said than done, I know).
Also, visual inspection creates problems, since my constant eating tends
to make my stomach a little less flat than normal (due to the presence 
of food in my stomach :-)).  Of course, that can probably be remedied by
examining myself when I wake up.

Since I don't have any better ideas, I think I'll abide by your
suggestion.
 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mlabow@iat.holonet.net (Marshall Labow)
Subject: Re: Arms not same size....etc.
Organization: HoloNet Internet BBS: 510-704-1058
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:52:59 GMT

In article dated Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:30:06 GMT, dss@styx.desktalk.com (David
S. Spencer) writes:

>Even my Mom's noticed what I've always suspected..."Gee David, one arm
>looks bigger than the other."  
>
>This morning I extended my "cold" arms and measured my unflexed biceps - my 
>right bicep was 14 1/4 and my left 13 1/4.  FYI, I'm left handed (though
>not a full lefty as I kick and bat "right").
>
>Normally I lift on a 4 days a week split system but am doing more of a
>random varity of things this summer...but this fall I'll be back on the
>4x/week.
>
>How can I get my arms to be the same size?  Don't curl as much w/ my
>right arm?  I have been treating them equally in the sense of attempting
>to lift the same amount, but of course the right ends up being able
>to curl more.
>
>        Thanks...
>
>                -- Dave

First, arm measurements are normally taken flexed. Try measuring your arms
flexed and seeing if there is as large a discrepancy.

Second, since the triceps make up two thirds of the muscle mass of the arms, 
take a look at what you are doing for triceps.

Third, try to do more single arm exercises (dumbbell curls, single arm
triceps cable pushdowns, etc.) as these will tend to equalize the size of
your arms over time. When you do exercises that involve both arms at once
(such as most, if not all, barbell exercises) the stronger arm tends to do
more of the work.

Good Luck!

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
Subject: Re: Sore legs / massage
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:04:39 GMT

Another technique I use for soreness is compression shorts.
These are not the Lycra-blend shorts like people use for various 
activities (e.g., biking, basketball) but a type of shorts that 
provide a much greater "squeeze" on the upper leg muscles.  Sort 
of a cross between a girdle (remember those?) and Lycra shorts.  
The amazing thing about these is that the soreness for the most 
part disappears instantly after you put them on ...  This might 
be hard to believe - I wouldn't if I hadn't tried them myself,
but the effect is really dramatic.  The long term effect doesn't 
seem to be as good as massage, but using these is more convenient 
and flexible.  I recommend both techniques: massage when there is 
time & need, compression shorts when I don't have the time for 
massage or when I need to be active and my legs are already sore, 
etc. 

Note:  Compression shorts are intended to provide support during
workouts, so they aren't really *intended* as a treatment for sore
muscles.   However, they do seem to work well in this capacity. 
They look similiar to Lycra shorts in design, but are made of a
different material/blend.  Be careful not to confuse these with
Spandex shorts - you won't get the same effect with Spandex.

Anybody else use these for leg soreness?

	--John
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller)
Subject: Peak Performance
Keywords: Gimmicks
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:42:30 GMT

  First of all. I would like to thank everyone
who responded to my friends question concerning
cold/tired and what to do about it? I will keep
those of you who responded to this question up
to date later. As for now I have a question for
everyone. There is a company who goes by the name
of Muscle Masters and they carry two products
that I recently purchased called Thunder/Lightning.
Normally I would never purchase any type of these
so called body building products, but a friend of
mine who owns a health food store thinks that this
one is different form the rest. One reason he says
is the fact that it has no artificial (crap) in it.
So my question is. Has anyone out there ever heard
of these products ? Good or Bad ? My friend is a
health food junkie and I believe what he says but
I want to make sure that he has not been misinformed.
Please post all of your responses on the net because it   
is interesting to see the counter responses. Thats it.
Thanks you and have a good night.

                               C-ya Mark

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Subject: dancing, ballet, green card
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:05:31 GMT
Distribution: i
Organization: Panix, NYC

I am posting for a friend.  My friend is a ballet student in NYC.
She has auditioned twice and been offered both jobs- alas, she's not
prepared to work as she's not applied for her papers or her green card.

Could anyone out there send us info on how to do that?

	email me here.

		Thanks in advance.


Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: tcr@cbnews.cb.att.com (toby.c.rabold)
Subject: Women's Olympic Gymnastics
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:48:08 GMT
Keywords: gymnastics


TO:	USA OLYMPIC TEAM SUPPORTERS

FROM:	Kim Kelly/Parkettes National Gymnastics Training Center

DATE: 	July 27, 1992

Kim Kelly placed 6th at the US Olympic Trials. Kim performed
her FLAWLESS routines on July 9th in Florida in a required
selection process. Following this performance Kim was removed
from the team due to a subjective vote by the coaches of each
gymnast and one USGF official. The USGF by-laws, article 8.01 (B)
states: the selection process shall be based primarily on current
objective performance-related criteria, eliminating any reliance
on subjective criteria.

Kim met all the criteria and was arbitrarily removed. Kim's
goal is to change the United States Olympic Committee's (USOC)
approval of the selection process from that of SUBJECTIVE
FAVORITISM to using the spirit of Olympic competition. Please
write to the following addresses to express your support:

Dr. Harvey Schiller		Mike Jacki
Executive Director		USGF
USOC				Pan American Plaza, Suite 300
1750 E. Boulder St.		201 S. Capitol
Colorado Springs, CO. 80909	Indianapolis, IN. 46225

Thank you for taking the time to help the American Dream continue.
From: wong@unix.bcu.edu (Tony Wong)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Testing
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:32:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: unix.1992Jul25.239487.2938
Organization: Animal Behavior Group

Test
Xref: sparky misc.misc:3068 news.admin:6428 news.groups:16244
From: ptownson@anableps.berkeley.edu (Patrick Townson)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,news.admin,news.groups
Subject: New Area Code Listing For Internet
Keywords: telephone area codes
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:32:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu
Originator: ptownson@anableps.berkeley.edu

About three years ago, I issued a numerical listing of telephone area
codes for the USA and Canada. Since that time, there have been numerous
changes and additions to the list. cmoore@brl.mil worked on getting
the list revised as of July, 1992 and it is now available in the
Telecom Archives for anyone who wants a copy.

In addition, the archives now contains a comprehensive index of
country and city codes for all international points. This is
continually being updated as the authors find errors and corrections.

To get your copy of the 1992 US telephone area code list in numerical
order and/or the international country/city code list, use anonymous
ftp to lcs.mit.edu.  Login anonymous, and use your name@site as the
password. When online, 'cd telecom-archives'.

Then get the files which begin with the word 'areacode', as in 
areacode.guide and areacode.script.  'cd country.codes' if you want to
get those files as well.

Finally, if you want some good glossaries of telecom terminology, we
have a few on line. Just pull the files which begin with the word
'glossary'.


Patrick Townson
TELECOM Digest Moderator / Usenet: comp.dcom.telecom

 
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: kevin@netcom.com (Kevin Fong)
Subject: Re: Who said this?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 09:54:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

>}Who first said "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve?"

According to my _Bartlett's_Familiar_Quotations_,  William Tecumseh
Sherman is the right answer, and the quote is given as, "I will not
accept if nominated and will not serve if elected."


-- 
Kevin Fong              kevin@netcom.com
Los Angeles, CA         
"Since I'm unemployed, it doesn't really matter whose
opinions these aren't!"
Newsgroups: misc.misc