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From: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera)
Subject: Re: David Warner on "Chain of Command" 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:40:00 GMT

In article <i45ZVB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>A few lines just in case....
>Some spoilers for Chain of Command I follow...
>
>So did anyone notices that one of the great villian actors plays Gul Madred,
>the Cardassian who will most likely be torturing our dear captain?  Yes
>David Warner.  A wonderful actor who has done some fantastic villian parts, much
>in the same toungue-in-cheek vein as Alan Rickman.  He was Jack the Ripper
>in "Time After Time", and also Councilor Gorkon in ST:VI TUC.  He was also
>the human representive on "the planet of galactic peace" in ST:V.  It is
>going to be very interesting seeing David Warner and Patrick Stewart "face
>off" in Chain of Command II.  I for one am looking foreward to it.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
>"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
>NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"

Man...I knew there was something special about that character. I liked the
way he carried himself, n that accent (i think there was a slight tinge)...
What POWER!!!!!!!!!!! 

the little tan man
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From: mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:18:32 GMT

In article <BzCKs2.A9x@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan) writes:
>
>   I don't see where you're coming from here.  You say that this isn't
>proof, then you refer to the Federation "declaring" war (which seems
>to me to imply that it is in fact a military organization).
>
>
You forget that the primary objective of Starfleet is "to explore new
worlds, to seek out new life, and new civilizations, and to boldly go
where no one has gone before."
Missions include deep-space exploration, scientific investigations, contact
with alien life forms, Federation policy and diplomacy, emergency and
rescue, and, if needed, tactical and defense.
Lately, the only races which the Federation has been concerned with is the
Borg and the Romulans. However, even with all of the incursions which have
happened, war has not been declared.
>
>	The Analog Person-(Michael J. Monahan) analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>	Suffering is the origin of conciousness-Dostoyevsky
>	We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost-Neil Peart
>        There is nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know
>            whether he believes in it or not.- Graham Chapman 


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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:06:54 GMT

In article <rawdon.724392684@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1992Dec14.175448.27005@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>In article <rawdon.724298914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>>Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
>>>stuff?
>>	Remember, Michael....this is your typical Trek viewer....
>No, he's not.  He's reading rec.arts.startrek.

	Ummmm....you're right. Smarter than average....not that it's saying
that much....

>(Besides, this is hardly a phenomenon limited to Trek.)

	Quite true....the typical Trek viewer is smarter on the average....
and if THAT doesn't give you a few shivers in the broad daylight....

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek writers make another continuity mistake
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: lyon@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1992Dec9.223319.19727@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) wri
tes:
>
>If she said 'yes' to Wesley's question, she could have jeopardized, in her
>mind, the normal flow of history, since the next question would have been:
>"where?".  Once this knowledge is out and out of her control, the whole
>course of history could have been changed.  Thus, she told a "white" lie
>in order to make sure that Picard would never know that he would meet her on
>Earth in the late 1800's when he traveled back in time from a date later than
>Wesley's question.
>

Besides, you must think of this: What possibly COULD Guinan have said/done?
Looking back, the most that Guinan could have done would be to pause before
answering Wesley (I don't remember the particular scene, so I don't remember
if there was a pause there or not). Of course, if there HAD been a pause, you
can be sure that it would show up here, not as a "hint" about an upcoming
episode(at the time), but probably as a mistake.

-Scott Lyon
 "Note to the galley: Romulan ale is NOT to be served at diplomatic functions"
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Episode question
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:52:23 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1g82fiINNr1e@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>Quick question -- what is the name of the episode where Worf meets
>his brother, goes back to "Kling" andeventually get "discommendation"?
                           ^^^^^^^
A little bit off the subject, but this and other episodes refer 
to the planet as the "Klingon homeworld" only, I believe. Is this Chronos
(or Kronos) from Star Trek VI?  They must have repaired their ozone layer
by this point.. anyone remember a reference to the planet by name in TNG?

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:11:24 GMT

In <1992Dec14.175448.27005@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <rawdon.724298914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
>>stuff?

>	Remember, Michael....this is your typical Trek viewer....

No, he's not.  He's reading rec.arts.startrek.

(Besides, this is hardly a phenomenon limited to Trek.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( To be in the Boston, Massachusetts area for Christmas vacation )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.
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From: analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160422.14365@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral) writes:
>>  As far as the implications of this episode are concerned, this should prove,
>>beyond a doubt, that Star Fleet is a military organization.  Not a very good
>>one, but military nonetheless.  Of course, the tree huggers out there who
>>happen to like startrek will remain unconvinced, but who cares.  Proof is 
>>proof.
>>
>
>This in itself is not proof. The structure of Star Trek is that Star Fleet
>in "controlled" for the most part by the Federation Council. It was
>clearly shown in this episode that some within Star Fleet's ranks are
>corrupt. The Federation will not declare war unless it is absolutely
>necessary. 
    

   I don't see where you're coming from here.  You say that this isn't
proof, then you refer to the Federation "declaring" war (which seems
to me to imply that it is in fact a military organization).


>####################################################################
># Admiral Mark D. Brubaker                mbrubake@ecn.purdue.edu  #
># Chief of Starfleet Operations                                    #
># Earth, Sol, UFP                                                  #
># "Let's make sure that history never forgets the name Enterprise" #
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	The Analog Person-(Michael J. Monahan) analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
	Suffering is the origin of conciousness-Dostoyevsky
	We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost-Neil Peart
        There is nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know
            whether he believes in it or not.- Graham Chapman
From: gvandeme@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (genevieve)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Summary: Mom?
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:17:32 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

Has anyone thought about the roles Troi and Dr. Crusher play?

Troi:  getting in touch with people's feelings, that whole nurturing,
       emotional, understanding bit.  The stereotypical realm of
       women that macho leader men keep out of.

Dr. Crusher:  another nurterer.  Sure she's important - she saves
       lives and is a respected scientist/doctor.
       But is she a leader?  Is she 'boldly going where no one has
       gone before'?  Well maybe in her lab in the Enteprise, but it's
       still the men out there DOING the exploring.  It's Dr. Crusher
       they come back to - like mom - when they need to be taken care
       of.

If my point isn't clear, I am saying that these women are not quite
the strong females role models breaking the bonds of stereotypes.  
They stay in the typical female domains of nurture and emotion.  It
is better than nothing, but I want to see a woman making political,
diplomatic, tactical, etc decisions with the same authority as Picard. 
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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:18:57 GMT

In article <ternent.17@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ter
nent) writes:

(discussion of possible phaser beam guiudance)]

Ever hear of R.A.S.T.??????


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: URGENT - Latest ST:TNG Schedule
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:45:55 EST


 -=> Vidiot babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 Vi> It is always possible that it could change again.  But, Whatever they
 Vi> do, it seems that they will air a new episode around Christmas.  The
 Vi> problem has to do with DS9.  Both of these episodes need to be shown
 Vi> before DS9, because of the tie-in.

Well, whatever you people say.  I'm still happy!  We get TNG on Friday
nights so after a have fun unwrapping my presents I can sit down and
watch STAR TREK!  YEAH!!!!!  :-)

Thanks a MILLIONS for this information Vidiot.  You're a life saver.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Wong
Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


... Ahh!  The game's afoot, eh?  Chang
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: What is DS9 going to be about? Any details known?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:50 GMT

noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:


>Charter Member #000001 of the INFJ Club.

>Send me e-mail if you'd like your own *PERSONAL* number (what more would an
>NF want!).  Only proven INFJ's, or those wishing to be, need apply.  :^)

What the heck is INFJ?
					CtB

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So I'm even going to try. And if you don't like it,|
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From: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:05:22 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <ewright.724461900@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1992Dec13.100634.25440@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>>	Perhaps Riker WOULD make a good captain, but let's
>>consider this:  the Enterprise is often being referred to as
>>the "flagship of the Federation" (whatever THAT is), and is
>>certainly Starfleet's most powerful vessel.  Regardless of how
>>good ANY first officer is, would he really be given the
>>Enterprise as his FIRST command.  I doubt it.
>
>Perhaps your memory is failing you, then.  Riker *was* given
>command of the Enterprise, in Best of Both Worlds.  Not "temporary
>command," either -- no one expected to get Picard back at that point.
>
>
>

You're right, BUT think ... at that time, the E had already 'engaged the
Borg'. Do u think it would make good military sense to transport someone
more qualified to the scene, when u could have picked someone who was already
at the site?
Plus, the rest of starfleet was preparing to engage the Borg at a different
location.
What i'm trying to say is that regardless of the fact that nobody expected
to get Picard back, they had NO CHOICE but to pick Riker. Otherwise, he
wouldn't have been picked to command the E as his 1st command, even if he was 
bloody good.

the little tan man
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From: sbarnes@dragger.ifmt.nf.ca (Spencer J. Barnes)
Subject: Re: Episode question
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:30:07 GMT

In <1g82fiINNr1e@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>Quick question -- what is the name of the episode where Worf meets
>his brother, goes back to "Kling" andeventually get "discommendation"?
>Thanks.

Sins if the Father
(I think)

Spencer
sbarnes/compserv@gill.ifmt.nf.ca
Trekking thru the fog...
From: ba266@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David F. Kong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A must to see  (hear)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 13:38:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ba266@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David F. Kong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, x92paszek@gw.wmich.edu () says:

>Now, how is it, that the Enterprise houses over 1000, and not once have we seen
>a toilet?
>
>Picture this:
>Camera pulls away from an unmarked door.  As the camera stops when the full
>door is shown, you hear a futuristic-sounding flush.   Seconds later, Captain
>Peckard (sp?) comes out, fixing his uniform as he so often does. He looks
>around, and begins walking away.
>
>Maybe at that point Data passes the captain, says "excuse me', and walks in the
>bathroom himself.  A perplexed captain goes to the bridge.
1.) Wasn't Captain Kirk and his gang able to hold it for a "five year"
mission in TOS? :-) Either that, or they must have made pit stops when
they beamed down or docked at Starbases (that's how they managed to
make it to the movies...) We can imagine the following TNG dialogue:

Picard: "Ensign, set course for Starbase 247."
Wesley: "Course laid in, sir."
Riker: "Engage."
(a few minutes later.)
Wesley: "How much further, Captain? I can't hold it much longer."
Picard: "Why didn't you go when we were orbiting the planet??"

2.) Unmarked door? I would imagine some futuristic door logo, like they
have on the turbolift. Either that, or the ancient "restroom" symbol,
since most characters on TNG still have a head, a body, two arms, and
two legs.

3.) The technology exists for toilets on the Enterprise. The TNG tech
manual (p.81) suggests that wastewater return conduits lead to recycling
and reprocessing facilities on decks 9, 13, and 24. "Linear induction
utility conduits are used to convey solid waste to reprocessing
facilities on decks 9, 13, and 34. Such waste is automatically separated
into mechanically and chemically recyclable material, with the remainder
stored for matter synthesis (replicator) recycling...)

4.) Implication: the next time you see Troi replicate hot chocolate,
don't think about where it came from. :-).

5.) Another funny scene would be Geordi having to repair one of the
"linear induction utility conduits" in a Jeffries tube. I-).

DFK
From: butch@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (H. G. "Butch" Walker Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:00:57 GMT
Reply-To: butch@geopix.gcn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, Univ. of Oklahoma
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu

Spoilers ahead























In article <BzADJJ.D89@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
|>
|>  We're back!  And we're happy!  
|>
|>  This was, quite simply, the most outstanding episode this season!  
Agreed!
|>
|>  Spoilers ahead.  
|>
|>
|>  We love Captain Jelico! 

I, too, really like Jelico.  I really see him a someone who is thrown
into a really difficult situation in which, while he'd probably like
to try to make a smooth transition, he has to get the Ent ready for
the possibility of war.  He seemed to really understand what Troi was
saying, but didn't have the time to do it.  The Enterprise might be 
about to enter the initial battle of a Cardassian war, and they can't 
afford to be lax.

Anyway, I loved it and can't wait for part II.  It really looks like an
wonderfully uncomfortable episode.
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From: tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
>christopher stone (cstone@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: As I interpret your argument, it would not be profitable for Paramount
>: to have a female captain, since 20th cen. TV viewers wouldn't accept
>: it.  I must disagree here.  First, television can *change* people's
>: opinions about the "macho image," much as TOS did in the 60's about
>: a lot of social issues and "Cagney and Lacey" did a few years ago
>: with regard to female detectives.  
>: Chris
>
>I agree that showing *competent* women in leadership roles in ST will
>work, and will change peoples' role model images.  However, tell me if
>I'm paranoid, but it seems to me that Paramount has done more to hurt
>people's impressions of women in leadership positions.  Just off the top 
>of my head, I recall two instances where women were shown in very 
>authoritative positions, and later in the show those women were shown to 
>be real ding-dongs.  I'm thinking of:
>    (1) Admiral Satie, in "the drumhead."  She was an *ADMIRAL*, highly
>respected, etc. etc.  But after a go-round with Picard she was "exposed
>for the paranoid dingbat she really was..."
>    (2) Dr. Kyla Marr, in the episode where the Crystalline Entity was
>destroyed.  She was originally a very intelligent women (other than
>her prejudice against Data), but as the show wore on she exhibited more
>and more signs of mental breakdown due to her guilt about losing her son.
>
>In both of the previous episodes, these women were also older (gray
>hair, probably in their 60's).  I hope we're not also trying to be
>ageist.
>
>And I can think of more examples where women were not shown in a real
>flattering light; how about "The Perfect Mate" where the woman's only
>reason for existence was to please men?!  Even in "The Game", Robin
>Leffler was originally smart and independent, but of course late in the
>show she had to succumb to the Game so that Wesley could save the ship
>by himself....
>
>I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
>
>And, don't get me wrong.  I'm really not trying to flame about sexism
>or ageism.  I'm just trying to find some good examples of women as 
>competent role models, and so far I can't remember any having emerged.
>I'm just curious about this, not trying to start anything.
>
>- Jennifer
>  jkl@md.fsl.noaa.gov
>
>

What about the woman who designed the EnterpriseD?  I don't know how I forgot 
her name...finals must have fried my mind.
She was intelligent and competent, and I think she would be a great role
model.

Tom.
From: mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:22:18 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <9212101033.49@rgm.com> cnk@rgm.com (Claims No Knowledge) writes:
>Anyway, I wouldn't mind AIDS being addressed on one episode, but not in the
>storyline mentioned.  I would rather see Beverly talking to someone regarding
>some new deadly disease and offhandedly remark how AIDS was taken care of, and 
>relate it to the plot somehow.  

Beverly should also mention how AIDS grew and grew in scope (# of
people affected) until it wiped out nearly half the heterosexual
population, primarily because heterosexuals believed it was a
homosexual disease. Oh yes, and about 75% of the teenage 
population because the adults wouldn't allow condoms in the
schools due to silly puritanical concerns.

Mike Hollander | mike@nttor.UUCP
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