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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Speed Metal: Alive or dead?
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:34:37 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92289.162247JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
>       I have had a concern for a while about whether or not Speed Metal
>   is dying out, despite the fact that Thrash/Death Metal/etc.. seem to
>   be proliferating. I could be wrong about all of this, but let me
>   explain my reasons for concern.
> 
>       6 - 7 years ago the biggest speed metal bands around were(in
>  no particular order):
>             - Metallica
>             - Megadeth
>             - Iron Maiden
>             - Slayer (sometimes they were thrash)
>             - Anthrax
>             - MotorHead
>             - Exodus
>             - Suicidal Tendencies (sometimes)
> 
>     Today, the biggest speed metal bands around are almost EXACTLY the same!
>  It almost seems that we were hit with one (To use a phrase) invasion. Sure
>  some small bands came out (i.e. Helloween, Sanctuary, and some others that
>  I can't think of now), but where are they today? I don't see any bands that
>  are at the vanguard of new style speed metal (Maybe Voivod, but they're
>  fairly old, too). Where are the bands musically talented enough to challenge
>  the old Juggernauts? I've heard some new bands that really don't sound
>  like the stuff classics are made of.

I have also heard some new bands that don't meet up to the standards of the
old:  Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Slayer...oops, I'm copying down your
list...no, I'm not.

I agree; there aren't any new speed bands to match what the old ones did, and
the old ones aren't doing it either. Possibly this is because what came out
earlier is the "standard" by which we all measure the rest:  "If it doesn't
sound EXACTLY like Ride the Lightning, then it can't be as good."

Even so, I have trouble thinking of "The Unforgiven" as speed...
 
--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
"I'll be seeing you again
 I'll be seeing you in hell"
	--The Misfits, "Die, Die My Darling"
From: donnell@seahorse.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Metallica Rules
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:08:44 GMT
Organization: none

In article <39537@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.163231.4104@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6nikas_h@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>>You guys must be crazy!  Metallica rules!  ust because they have made big, and 
>>because people like them, this doesn't meen they are sell outs.  Metallica is 
>>one the most positive groups out there.  Their music is universal.  I've been 
>>listening to Metallica since the begging and I don't mind some of the new 
>>mellow jams, those songs are amazing!  If you are a true Metallica fan, you 
>>will stay a true fan...and please stop all that selling out bullshit some of 
>>you people talk about.
>
>	This isn't really a flame to you, Helen, since I've seen this 
>sort of post before ... it`s this use of the term "true fan".  What
>does this mean -- that if a band I like puts out a bad album, that
>I should pretend that it's good, and blindly continue to support them?
>
>	I've been a Metallica fan since well before "Kill 'Em All" was
>released.  I don't like the new album at all.  Period.  Whether it's
>a "sellout" or not, I'm not sure -- frankly, I think not, since their
>new album would have sold a bunch anyway, and it's not *that* different
>from "AJFA", after all.  I still like Metallica -- I still like their
>older stuff.  But I don't like the new album, and I don't like their
>gradual move toward stadium rock-star band.  Does this mean I'm not
>a "true fan"?
>
>	I agree that the "did they sell out?" argument got old a LONG time
>ago ...
>
>					Brian
>-- 
>Brian Russ
>CSE Department, UC San Diego
>bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu

Well Said. I agree completely. And the "Cliff vs. Jason" debate is at least
that old. I still have hope for the next album.

					--Judex--
From: mjjj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: metallica production
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:57:14 EDT
Distribution: alt,world
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1b8q93INNkkm@cs.ubc.ca>,
tupper@cs.ubc.ca (Jeff Tupper) writes: 
> Well, of the 7 bootlegs I have (all CD) none of them have great sound quality
> but I do like 'em... Have heard rumour there exists bootlegs recorded on DAT
> then put onto CD (which should have better sound...) My favourite currently
> is "An Almbum for You" which has a Newsted solo on it (pretty cool)
> 
> What does everyone else have to say about Metallica bootlegs? Any good ones
> out there? 

Owning 5 or 6 bootlegs (CD too), I finally found one 2 months ago that kicks
ass (IMHO).  It's a 3-disk "box set" that consists of a recording of their
entire current tour (indoors).  The sound is excellent, and if you care you can
feed it into your computer and get rid of the audience sing-along, which is the
only non-perfect quality, though it does add the sense of being there.  The
thing is called "The Four Horsemen (Return)"...it doesn't say Return on the box
anywhere but it was listed in a local add w/ the Return added on.  Comes in a
black box about the size of Queensryche's Operation:Livecrime box and has
Metallica (not in the standard slanted format), "The Four Horsemen," and a
Cobra embossed on the cover.  I highly recommend it.

Malevor

P.S.  Anyone can email me with questions on this item...it's your best chance
of getting ahold of me (i.e. don't post back w/ ?'s).




Personally I don't give to much of a shit about sound quality, as
> I am much more interested in the music itself (and if I want better sound
> quality I can always feed it into my computer and filter/rebalance it)
> 
> I even like the "poor" sound quality in many ways (gives the songs more bite
> in some ways)
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: who are The Sweet?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:29:19 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Oct15.162034.20725@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@seahorse.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
|> Montrose was the band formed by Ronnie Montrose after he left the Edgar Winter
|> Group <They Only Come Out At Night>, with a young Sammy Hagar.

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Rick Derringer - with Edgar
Winter that is.  Don't quite see Montrose's style fitting in with
Edgar (Johnny maybe....).

|> Not a real fave of mine, but it's good 70's hard rock/metal, with
|> the first Two albums the best. Great songs include "Space Station #5",
|> "Rock Candy", "Bad Motorscooter", and many others. Continued with another
|> singer after Hagar left for his solo career. Can't tell you much about
|> that phase. Eventually mutated into the all instrumental Gamma. <sort of>
|> Good band.

Third album, Warner Bros Presents is really pretty good.  It really became
Ronnie Montrose, solo musician, after that.  Some of the work wasn't bad -
but I much prefered the warp-speed pyrotechnics than when he tried to
play with feeling.  Check out his instrumental track on Guitar Speak.
What a smoker.......  Anybody have any of his recent albums that can
comment on them.

btw: Gamma was not all instrumental.  They actually had a pretty powerful
debut album, particularly when compared to the other music that was
coming out at the time.  It was unfortunate that Gamma and Lonestar
did not get the recognition they deserved.

Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
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From: donnell@orca.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Ugly Kid Joe LIVE!!
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.200130.14598@crc.ac.uk> naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:
>Yes, I saw Ugly Kid Joe live last night!!!
>
>Being the first concert I have been to (we don't usually get much here) I can't
>compare it with anything else but it was *FUCKING AWESOME*!!
>
>They played *everything* except Mr Recordman and even did a Rolling Stones song
>and Sin City, (by AC/DC?).
>
>If you get the chance, you *must* see them live.
>I know I will again if I get the chance!!
>
>BTW A note to Americans...
>
>When they finished (and went off stage), they came back on (after much shouting,
>especially "you fat bastard") and did another five or six songs, saying English 
>crowds (especially us!!) were much more energetic and fun to play to than *any* 
>of the American crowds!! SO SUCK SHIT AMERICANS!!
>
>Phil
>(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)
>
>-- 
>Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
>suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
>and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
>one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".

Gee, when I saw Ugly Squid Joe live, they said that the Minneapolis crowd
was the best they had seen in a long time. 
Could it be that they say this every show, <or close> to "Stroke" the
crowd? I think it is quite possible. A lot of bands do this.
I ain't sucking no shit because of UKJ's cheesy stage raps.

					--Judex--

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From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: New WARRIOR SOUL?
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:53:53 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

It (the new Warrior Soul-- Salutations from the Ghetto Nation) came out
this past Tuesday...

I got a free copy of it (promo, with a 5" sticker of the album cover) and I've
only have a chance to listen to it once...

I like it...

Some tracks that stick out are "Love" and "Dimension" and the title track...

Tux on,
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                     Mike Weintraub  mweintr@american.edu
                   The American University -- Kenobi on IRC
            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"
From: v096pz6l@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (KING OF SPAM (AND OTHER LUNCH MEATS))
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Blind Illusion
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  Lalonde and Claypool are there on the SaneAsylum.
Also I reread your post-and see that I read it wrong.
You have the Sane Asylum. I do not believe that they recorded again after
that. I used the see the album advertised along with Kubala Khan and
Dream Death(the worst Doom Metal band ever)
                                                  Mandrake
From: caedmon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Axeman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: DEICIDE
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:56:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu
Keywords: DEICIDE


In <6960@kielouta.fi> tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti) writes:
>Is there anyone who can tell me about Deicide?

yeahyeah!  They're playing in my area in a few days.  INteresting tidbit
about their lead singer/bassist Glen.  He burned an upside-down cross
into his forehead when he was on an airplane (he "was too close to god"),
and has since repeated the feat.  It's over .5 cm deep.  He is looking
for a doctor who will surgically screw a metal cross (maybe the trifixion {
the cover for Leigon}) into his cranium.  I hope he has it in time for 
the concert here so I can lick it!

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,;';,   caedmon@ucscb.ucsc.edu               Jeff Ishaq          .,;';,
,;';,   I am a meatball:  Bite me.           Guitar withdrawal!  .,;';,
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From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Sorry about the blank replies.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:05:00 GMT

I just noticed that a whole shitload of replies were posted without any
reply.  So I thought to myself "what asshole would do this?"  It turns
out _I_ am the asshole, as my editor was not saving my changes to the 
article.  I apologize fully for my assholeness, and will not allow such
occurences in the future.  Following my posting of this article I will
go back and re-reply to the articles and remove the blank replies.

-Chuck

ps. I'm very,very sorry. Please don't hit me.
From: swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken Swanson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: CoNtAGioUs
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:22:56 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hey people, keep your ears open for a new upcoming band called Contagious.

They're from the Boston area and will be releasing their first album soon on
Relativity Records.  These guys are really good! The style is sort of a
"grunge" type.  Kind of Pearl Jam/Nirvana/Soundgarden/Ugly Kid Joe all rolled
into one.  They will be releasing a video on MTV to go along with the EP coming
out.  

Here is some information quoted from the drummer:

                                                               18-SEP-1992 10:05
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Image is going to be discussed this weekend. In past discussions we were
looking at sort of a grungy look (wo flannel)...NOT POSER....an edgy type of
image...not clean shaved....not neatly dressed..etc.

The marketing has been dicussed. Here is the "tentative" route we are going to
take:

Projected singles to the radio stations  US wide in the beggining of Dec. for
airplay. EP to the radio stations US wide last week in December (after XMAS)...
Airplay for 3-4 weeks... then the EP will be formally released across the
US/Europe/Japan the 3rd week in January. Also, the EP will be reviewed in all
of the major trade rags.  Advertising will be done in most of the musician
magazines.

Somewhere in this time the video's will hit MTV. I'm not sure when.

Give 'em a listen and go see them play!  Mosh it up!!

Ken
From: consorti@fidelio.rutgers.edu (Jason B. Consorti)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: More on Christian bands...
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:22:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

After just reading the thread on christian bands, I think everyone kinda missed the point.  First, let's define christian (as the bands define it): christian := born_again_bible_thumping_christian.  These are bands with a specific audience in mind: bible thumpers (people like me).  If you were a born-again, you'd understand why they say the messages they do; it goes beyond offering solutions to modern problems.  They offer a service to the younger generation of bible-thumpers: metal that is 'aceptable' to 

the soul (and for the even younger generation: to their parents).  Whether or not the lyrics are acceptable to non-born-agains doesn't intrest the bands (except for maybe King's X or >grimace,flinch, convulse< Stryper).

Also, understand that these bands have very little support from the christian churches (ie Assembly of God) because of the ignorance of its leaders (they are afraid that the teen crowd will get turned onto regular metal which is a target of the church, tho I have an argument against this reasoning which I'll gladly explain when asked).  

IMHO, you can't truly enjoy the bands' music the way they intended it unless you are born-again.



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From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: Re: Tell Me I'm Not Crazy....(BOLT-THROWER)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:51:05 GMT

In article <5OCT199213301450@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9877751@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9877751) writes:
> Somebody please tell me that Bolt-Thrower at least has Warmaster out on CD.

Yes they have Warmaster on CD.  I know this coz I got it.
Realm of Chaos is also on CD.
In Battle There Is No Law was put out on the Vinyl Solution label ages ago and
I haven't been able to find the damn thing in ANY format.

> I could have sworn that I saw it on CD a little while back, but I can't be
> certain.  How about their other albums?  Are they available on CD?
> 
> 
> -matt
> 
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From: tipeve@uta.fi (Pertti Vehkalahti)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: DEICIDE
Keywords: DEICIDE
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:17:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland



Is there anyone who can tell me about Deicide?
I have got both their debut album and recently released "Legion", so I would
not like to read basics of them... more spesific information would be welcomed!

Please E-mail, if possible.

Pertti Vehkalahti, Tampere, Finland

tipeve@uta.fi
From: THE PAINKILLER
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <XRBisB2w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> sm@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Suicidal Maniac) writes:
>Black Sabbath has got to be one of my favourite heavy metal bands of all 
>time 
> 
>Ozzy & Dio are the only two who made a difference in that band...
> 
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------darkPARK BBS
>sm@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Suicidal Maniac)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------



          I just want to say that I applaud your good taste. Also, I want to 
add my rankigs of the Black Sabbath ( W/ Ozzy, of course ) albums :
	1) Technical Ecstasy
        2) Never Say Die
        3) Paranoid
        4) Master of Reality
        5) Sabotage
        6) Black Sabbath
        7) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
        8) Black Sabbath Vol 4.

Alternate rankings, anybody ?
                                                      The Painkiller
From: rc0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ravi Kumar Chopra)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Demolition Hammer,Cancer,Deicide
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just saw Demolition Hammer, Cancer, and Deicide at City Limits in
Pittsburgh last night.  Fucking incredible show.  I'm not too fond of
Demolition Hammer, and their lead singer was kind of a whiner, so I
didn't like them too much, but the rest was great.

Cancer played almost 50 minutes, and were at least as good as they were
at the Milwaukee Metalfest.  If you didn't make it out to that amazing
all day metal show, they were fantastic.  They packed virtually all
their songs (certainly all their best) into their set.

The real treat of the show was Deicide.  We weren't expecting much after
their performance at the Metalfest.  In Milwaukee, they had a real short
set (~30min.) and didn't even get around to playing all their best
stuff.  In Pittsburgh, though, they were great.  Glen through in some
jokes between songs, made a few side comments about how he was having to
really work for his money tonight because the fucking sound man wouldn't
crank the monitors, and, after getting kicked in the mouth by someone
who was tossed over the barrier in front of the stage, he joked that he
"earned an extra hundred dollar bill for that one."  In addition to all
the cool interaction, they simply played incredibly, and for a long time
(over an hour).  They played virtually every song they had, and the
couple others they didn't, they had played at the metalfest.

Anyone getting a chance to see these guys live would be a fool to pass
it up.  It was worth the cost of the ticket to see either Cancer or
Deicide alone.  Here you get 'em together and they were really in top
form.

-Ravi
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Alice N Chains
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:36:19 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <Bw2L08.5z2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, willijx2@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Josh Williams) writes:
> I posted this question before but got no response, so I will
> ask again. On the jewel box for 'Dirt' it lists 12 tracks but
> there are actually 13 tracks on the CD. Has anybody else
> noticed this? Whats the deal?


Track No.9, I believe, is an instrumental something or other.  As far s some
special story behind it...I dunno.


			-Matt
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From: steve@ecf.toronto.edu (Steve Kotsopoulos)
Subject: Re: MANOWAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:13:22 GMT

I've been trying to find a copy of "Hail to England" for over 2 years now. :-(
I was very surprised to find out from a friend that HMV (in downtown
Toronto) had several different Manowar CD's in stock.

I went there today at lunch and got "Fighting the World" for $19.99,
and "Battle Hymns" for $26.99, both were imports. They also had 
"Kings of Metal", but I already have it.

I asked at their information desk, and they had several other titles
that they sometimes stock. They also said I could special order them.

So all you Manowar fans can race to HMV and stock up on some quality tunes!

later

-- 
Steve Kotsopoulos                   mail:   steve@ecf.toronto.edu
Systems Analyst                     bitnet: steve@ecf.UTORONTO.BITNET
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University of Toronto               phone:  (416) 978-5898
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From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: King Diamond's real name?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:13:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.145638.18544@bradford.ac.uk> G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West) writes:
>Noah Ruiz (noah@Cadence.COM) wrote:
>: In article <1992Sep13.155555.11246@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>: >Anyone know Kign Diamond's real name? Or is "King Diamond" just a literal
>: >translation of his real name into English?
>: >
>: >philip
>: >
>: >
>:   could it be EDDIE MUNSTER........................
>: 
>:   noah
>
>No. Actually it's Kim Bendix Peterson. I remember seeing it in an articlein
>Metal Hammer magazine. Among others it had Axl Rose's real name. Bill Bailey.
>
>		Graham

 I still think he was eddie munster when he was a little kid.....
 
 noah>
From: crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Myramainz
Date: 17 Oct 92 05:18:58 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Disclaimer: You can't bring me down!


Does anyone have *any* knowledge of a band called MYRAMAINZ ??

If so, I'd appreciate the information.

--
I crusader@kannel.lut.fi I    /              I How can you call me evil ?
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