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From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: BART and other Bay Area transit agencies...
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:36:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <murphy.722340296@well.sf.ca.us>, murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy) writes:
> In <1992Nov20.224809.4387@Veritas.COM> joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:
> 
> >Loren I. Petrich <lip@s1.gov> writes:
> >>
> >>	BART also did fairly well in other measures, such as operating
> >>	cost per passenger-mile: 20.9 cents. The champion was
> >>	Vancouver's SkyTrain at 9.8 cents, while the worst was the
> >>	Buffalo light-rail system, was at 58.4 cents.
> 
> >In 1990 Santa Clara Co.'s light rail cost 171 cents per passinger-mile.
> >That is one dollar and seventy one cents per passinger mile.
> >That same year they had a fare box recovery ratio of 3% (a 97% operating
> >subsidy, building the system was extra!)
> 
> >Joshua Levy  (joshua@veritas.com)
> 
> I assume it's doing better now?
> -- 
> -------------------
> Daniel A. Murphy        Net:         murphy@well.sf.ca.us
> San Francisco, CA       GEnie:       D.MURPHY11
> U.S.A.                  MCI Mail:    377-7947

The Proposed Final 1993 Short Range Transit Plan doesn't have
this figure.  It does have operating cost per scheduled hour,
though.  For FY91 (July 90 to June 91) it was $218.04.  For FY92,
the preliminary figures were $225.04; for FY93, they are
projecting $256.63.  The same numbers for their bus operations
are $80.50, $88.66, and $91.65, respectively.  I understand that
one reason that the rail numbers are so high is station, track,
and overhead maintenance.  The marginal cost per extra hour of
light rail service was a small fraction of the average cost
(something like $48 for a one car and $60 for a two car train,
according to a County Transit official at one of the service
reduction meetings).  I have only my guesses as to how these
numbers are calculated.

jeremy
From: murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: BART and other Bay Area transit agencies...
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:04:56 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In <1992Nov20.224809.4387@Veritas.COM> joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:

>Loren I. Petrich <lip@s1.gov> writes:
>>
>>	BART also did fairly well in other measures, such as operating
>>	cost per passenger-mile: 20.9 cents. The champion was
>>	Vancouver's SkyTrain at 9.8 cents, while the worst was the
>>	Buffalo light-rail system, was at 58.4 cents.

>In 1990 Santa Clara Co.'s light rail cost 171 cents per passinger-mile.
>That is one dollar and seventy one cents per passinger mile.
>That same year they had a fare box recovery ratio of 3% (a 97% operating
>subsidy, building the system was extra!)

>Joshua Levy  (joshua@veritas.com)

I assume it's doing better now?
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U.S.A.                  MCI Mail:    377-7947
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: BART "State of the System" handout
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:51:56 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Nov18.002632.29468@Veritas.COM> joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.005529.26766@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
: Weekday ridership was 262000 people/day,
: while weekend ridership was at a record high. 

>Welcome to one of transit's Big Lies: ridership data.  The numbers Loren
>is quoting are boardings per day, not people per day!  Assuming that
>almost everyone takes part to work and back home, the actual number
>of people using BART on any day is about 130,000.  Of course, if people
>used BART to run errands (at lunch for example), then each person
>would cause 4 boardings a day, and the number of users would be
>about 65,000 per day.

	Are you ragging on me for _not_ having made myself clear
enough on this?

	Although much of the use of BART and other transit system _is_
for two-way trips, I think it unlikely that a sizable fraction of
BART-using commuters would be doing lunchtime errands on BART; it
would eat up the lunch hour, for one thing.
From: lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: SFO rail transit setback?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:21:02 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: boom.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1502@dosbears> dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com writes:
>
>(As you might remember, a couple months ago I did a "thought experiment"
>with the CalTrain schedule and concluded that the average speed would
>be about 50mph between SF and SJ if it didn't have to stop at all
>those pesky stations.

Along these lines, and to tie the thread back to SFO, what if the new
ballpark construction, coupled to the BART SFO expansion, leads to a
deal where Caltrain terminates at the San Bruno shared station, and
Caltrain ceases to go into the city anymore. Several positive things
can come out of this situation that may offset the longer travel time
of the BART route into the city:

1)If the total number of miles covered by Caltrain remains consistent,
more trains will run per day as a result of this change. The entire
Caltrain line will benefit from this change.

2)The prime locations of the downtown BART stations will save as much
time for most communters (relative to the 4th & Townsend station) as
the longer travel time loses. This is especially true in light of the
employment density around all four downtown BART stations (city
government at the Civic Center Station, retailing at the Powell Street
Station, corporations at Montgomery and Embarcadero), and the
predicted rise of the Mission District as the back-office space
neighborhood of the future. So, unless the downtown station happens,
there is no loss in performance in the system for most riders.

3)The link will draw a lot of East Bay-Penninsula trips.

4)Southbound timed connections between Caltrain and BART become easier
to implement if San Bruno is the terminal; Northbound timed
connections aren't necessary during daytime service, if BART frequency
on the SFO line maintains the current Daly City-Embarcadero pace.

5)The money that was to be spent on the downtown SF Caltrain station
can be spent elsewhere. In addition, the money on maintainence and
staffing of the current San Francisco depot is now free for other
purposes.

6)Caltrain becomes a two-county system, which makes decision-making
and management simpler.
From: joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: BART and other Bay Area transit agencies...
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:48:09 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

Loren I. Petrich <lip@s1.gov> writes:
>
>	BART also did fairly well in other measures, such as operating
>	cost per passenger-mile: 20.9 cents. The champion was
>	Vancouver's SkyTrain at 9.8 cents, while the worst was the
>	Buffalo light-rail system, was at 58.4 cents.

In 1990 Santa Clara Co.'s light rail cost 171 cents per passinger-mile.
That is one dollar and seventy one cents per passinger mile.
That same year they had a fare box recovery ratio of 3% (a 97% operating
subsidy, building the system was extra!)

Joshua Levy  (joshua@veritas.com)
From: murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: SFO rail transit setback?
Keywords: Kopp SFO BART CalTrain
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:11:56 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link



> Send BART to San Jose.

Using what for money?

It wasn't long ago I would have agreed with you on this.  BART directly
into the airport makes a lot of intuitive sense.  But if you look at the
specifics, you see that, especially after the airport expansion, the BART
station inside the airport wouldn't be any more convenient for passengers
(and, for many passengers, would be quite a bit *less* convenient) than
the people-mover solution.  For an example of how the people-mover might
work, take a look at the rubber-tire train in operation inside Atlanta's
airport.

At the joint BART/CalTrain external station, you'd get on a people mover
that would stop at each of the terminals, taking you *much* closer to
where you actually need to go than an internal BART station would take
you.  And probably in no less time than the internal station.

Every time the issue is studied, the cost estimate for an internal station
gets higher and higher, now lapping at the half-billion mark.  That kind
of money just isn't forthcoming, no matter how much Kopp panders.  What his
initiative *will* ensure is that *no* service to SFO happens.

Maybe a perfect world would have BART running down the Peninsula and
maybe it wouldn't.  I'd just ask you to consider that, barring a massive
infusion of transit money, CalTrain isn't going away, and upgrading it
is the cheapest way to improve mass transit along that corridor.

Furthermore, I don't really see the external vs. internal station debate
as a BART vs. CalTrain thing.  If CalTrain disappeared tomorrow, the 
internal station would be no more practical than it is today.  That the
external station could accomodate CalTrain as well as BART is all the
better, especially if CalTrain connects up with BART in downtown San
Francisco.
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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: SFO rail transit setback?
Keywords: Kopp SFO BART CalTrain
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:18:44 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Nov18.004238.24227@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:

>Ballot drive could spell trouble for rail transit at SFO, experts say
>by Doug McMillan

	[On a BART line _into_ SFO with a station underneath the
central parking garage, instead of an external BART station and a
people-mover...]

	Personally, I think I should try to visit that site some time
and imagine myself going to and from a plane. Has anyone else on the
net tried that?

>Although a Bay Area Rapid Transit station at the airport is not scheduled
>for completion until the year 2001, transit officials say privately they
>think a more realistic goal is 2003 at the earliest.

	"At" the airport -- do they mean the internal one? I'm sure an
external station could be done well before that, since most of the
Colma-SFO line is to be either at-grade or in a shallow tunnel, and it
is to go along existing or abandoned railroad right-of-way.

	I speculate that the BART folx might settle on the external
station as their goal, and if they get it done before 2000, proclaim
a "miracle".

>Tunneling BART under the airport, on the other hand, would add $425 million
>to the $700 million San Mateo County BART extension, according to estimates
>of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

>Kopp's initiative would force commissioners to impose a $3 passenger landing
>fee to raise the $425 million needed.  That would cost San Francisco
>residents $73 million over a four- to five-year period, according to Turpen.
>Passengers from the Peninsula and South Bay would pay a similar surcharge on
>their airline tickets.

	That _might_ be a good way of paying for the BART extension
itself, even without an internal station, since airline passengers are
presumably among the main beneficiaries. If one adds a comparable
amount for East Bay passengers (provided they don't all go to Oakland
instead :-), one gets $150 million or so. Not bad. Including Peninsula
and South Bay ones, who are not likely to get a BART extension anytime
soon, one gets perhaps $225 million. If one assumes that the
construction period is 10 years, one comes up with $450 million. Not
bad. This might pay over half of the cost of a Colma-SFO (external)
extension, and if the money for _that_ is already committed, it could
be used to pay for a south-of-SFO extension, or else a massive upgrade
of CalTrain.

>Even if the BART station were built underground, it wouldn't help passengers
>from south of the airport much, said Adrian Brandt, a director of the
>CalTrain support group Peninsula Rail 2000.

	I confess I agree with Adrian Brandt here.

/Loren
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From: wl@cypress.com (Wilbur Luo/COMM)
Newsgroups: ba.housing,ba.market.misc,misc.forsale,ba.market.housing
Subject: >-WANTED: Roommate for stunning Cupertino Apt
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:50:32 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Originator: wl@coast

Roommate wanted to share a beautiful, spacious (1310 SQUARE FEET) 3
bed, 2 bath apartment in Cupertino (Glenbrook Apartments).  This is a
fantastic complex with plenty of amenities:

			% 7 pools
			% spas & saunas
			% fitness facilities
			% tennis courts (4)
			% pool tables
			% indoor driving range
			% practice putting green

AND MORE!!

The room runs $460/month  (rent includes everything but phone and PG& E).
It will be available on December 1. We are looking for someone willing
to make at least a 6 month commitment.

The complex is located at a convenient location off Highway 85/280.
It's also across the street from the Oaks (Shopping Center) and DeAnza
College.

Looking for a casual, non-smoking, male or female, 21-30.  Neither party
animals nor couch potatoes need call.

If interested, call Greg @ 408-446-4127 (H)
			or Wilbur @ 408-255-4764 (H) or 408-456-1924 (W)
					wl@cypress.com

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From: bhatia@mips.com (Anil Bhatia)
Newsgroups: ba.housing,soc.culture.indian
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED - apt in Bay Area
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:58:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulty.mti.sgi.com
Originator: bhatia@faulty.mti.sgi.com


Looking for a roommate to share a 3-bedroom apartment in a
nice apartment complex in Mountain View area. 

	- clean, spacious 2-level apt.
	- pool, exercise room, laundry in complex
	- car port available
	- Close to most major Silicon Valley employers. 
	- Located right off Hwy 85 & El Camino
	- easy access to Freeway 101.  
	- Rent is $367 per month + 1/3 utilities. 
	- Available December 1.

Call Anil Bhatia at (415) 390-4579 (W) or (415) 988-1243 (H).
     or Nilesh Nabar at (415) 988-1243(H).

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Stuck at SFO, what to do?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:40:21 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov18.031820.160548@zeus.calpoly.edu> jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester) writes:
>I'm gonna be stuck at the San Francisco airport for 3 or so hours in mid
>December.  Since I'm gonna be taking a 5 hour plane ride immediately
>following, I don't think I'm gonna feel much like waiting around reading.

There's an exhibit of hats in the international terminal.  

>Anyone have some ideas of what I could do for 3 hours (between 8 and 11) in
>South San Francisco?  I won't have a lot of money to run up to the City or
>anything...

The hat exhibit is probably the most interesting thing happening in San
Bruno (which is where the airport is located, not SSF).  You could walk up
to the Rolling Pin Doughnuts on San Bruno Avenue.  But really, if you're
without money and consequently without transportation there's not much to
do except watch the planes take off.  

You could take a SamTrans bus up to the city (around $4.00 round trip, I
think), but the timing would be close. 

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From: RR.DTG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Troy Gilbert)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: ADA Workshop
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:27:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

ice.>The Americans With Disabilities Act:

How Does the ADA Apply To You?<.b->

Monday, Nov 23
7:00 pm
Kimball Hall Lounge, Stanford University

Presenters:  Dana Mulvany, MSW, LCSW
             Daniel Fiduccia, BA

These trainers, both persons with disabilities, completed an
intensive six-day training offered by the Disability Rights and
Education Defense Fund and Independent Living Research Utilization.
This training was sponsored by the US Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission and the Department of Justice.

Come learn how the ADA affects the following:

State and Lecal Governments
Employment
Private Business Entities
Transportation
Telecommunications

<.b+>AIDS/HIV IS A PART OF THE ADA- THIS WILL BE COVERED<.b->

Find out how you can help implement the ADA in a way that works for
everybody!
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Stuck at SFO, what to do?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:48:20 GMT

jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester) wrote: 
->I'm gonna be stuck at the San Francisco airport for 3 or so hours in mid
->December.  Since I'm gonna be taking a 5 hour plane ride immediately
->following, I don't think I'm gonna feel much like waiting around reading.
->Anyone have some ideas of what I could do for 3 hours (between 8 and 11) in
->South San Francisco?  I won't have a lot of money to run up to the City or
->anything...

well, you could save your money and try to standby for the next flight
out to your destination (if there is one between your arrival and
scheduled departure).

--
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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: fy@lucid.com (Frank Yellin)
Subject: Room for rent
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:04:55


One room is available for rent in a four-bedroom house in Redwood City.
The house is half a block north of Atherton, and is close to both Stanford
and 280.

The house has:
      Private backyard with pool and hot tub
      Living Room (with fireplace) and Dining Room
      Den
      2-car Garage
      Washer/Dryer
      Cable (in your room)
      1 Dog, 1 Cat, 2 Kittens

No smoking is allowed in the house.

Rent is $450/month + utilities.

For more information, send EMail to me (fy@lucid.com) or call me at
   home:  (415) 369-7510
   work:  (415) 329-8400 x5550
From: prufrock@leland (Scot N. Gibson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna Sex survey
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:54:19 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: kinetics-mirrielees-gateway-dynamic.stanford.edu

In article <9211122002.AA03777@athena.cs.uga.edu>, Beth Carr
<carr@athena.cs.uga.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey everyone, i'm doing an article on Lesbian Views on Madonna's Sex (the book).
> Anyone who's seen it, please tell me what you think (as in-depth as you have time for).
> Also, does anyone have ideas on how i can contact the following women:
> Pat Califia
> Susie Bright
> Catherine MacKinnon (if she's a woman-lover)
> Carol Gilligan (same stipulation)
> 
> Plus, any suggestions for other "celebrity" lesbians to interview? (Bisexual ok too)?
> 

Actually, you might be interested in Anne-Imelda Radice's views on the
book.
She's definitely a "celebrity lesbian".  


> Thanks in advance,
> Gertie
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Stuck at SFO, what to do?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:42:02 GMT

In article <1eh3nmINN6vs@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> well, you could save your money and try to standby for the next flight
>> out to your destination (if there is one between your arrival and
>> scheduled departure).
>
>And miss the hat show in the international terminal?
>Are you kidding?

It's not in the international terminal; it's in the United (north?) terminal.
And it sounds silly, but it's really quite fascinating -- worth scheduling
a layover, just to see it!

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

It stood in a windowless room lined with polar bear fur and otherwise empty;
it was upholstered in scarlet velvet, and had nine legs and seven arms.
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: If I had $1000...
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:47:01 GMT

beldar@netcom.com (Gardner Cohen) wrote: 
->Thanks for any suggestions.  Local organizations preferred.

"local" doesn't mean anything in the soc.motss context (and not even
in ba.motss, since we have ba.motss participants all over the place).

sounds like your friend needs to do some homework.

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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: jgb@mcm.com (Jeff Bennington)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: BofA's address?
Summary: I need BofA's president's address
Keywords: BofA
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: jgb@mcm.com (Jeff Bennington)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mellon Capital Management Corp., San Francisco

Hi MOTSSers.  This is my first posting here, so I guess I'm no longer
a muffin!

I have decided to terminate my Bank of America Visa account in light
of their support of the discriminatory Boy Scouts.  (Can you believe 
BofA reversed its decision?)

A fellow MOTSSer tells me I should write directly to BofA's president
in lieu of simply delivering a speech to some local bank manager.  I dont
usually get that politically involved, but this is important to me.

Do any of you folks have the full name and address for this senior
official?

	Many Thanks!

		Jeff

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         jgb@mcm.com    --- "When Alarm Sounds, Re-Engage Brain"
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: March on Washington Town Meeting 11/21
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:45 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com


The March On Washington/North (San Francisco) Bay Committee
is holding a Town Meeting on Saturday, November 21, 1-3 pm,
at the Eureka Valley Recreation Center, Collingwood and 18th
Streets, in San Francisco.

Find out the latest on travel news, other related events over
the weekend, lobbying and the civil disobedience scheduled
for April 26 at the U.S. Capitol.

For more information, call the MOW/North Bay committee at
510/655-4486.

To get involved, call the volunteer coordinator, David
Bartlett, at 415/626-8016.

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