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From: cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore)
Subject: System 7/7.1 Font Confusion
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Distribution: World
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:11:17 GMT

We have been struggling the last few days trying to sort out problems with
fonts in the System 7.0/Mac IIci and System 7.1/Mac IIvi work stations in
the Graphics Department of the University.

The problems are varied depending on what fonts we're trying to load.  For
example the Courier typeface supplied by ATM when loaded through the install
mode of ATM is place into the "Extensions" folder in the "Systems" while the
other three typefaces "Helvetica, Times, ?" go into the "Systems" folder. 
The "Helvetica" typeface will display in Adobe Illustrator 3.2 but will not
print on our Laserwriter.  Adobe 'stand-alone' typeface packages that we own
also react differently.  The "Math" typeface we own displays and prints
without a problem, but the "Goudy" typeface will neither display or print!

The problems go on and on.  We are working with all Type 1 faces but have
the Cassidy & Green boxed set of typefaces with both Adobe fonts and Trutype
fonts.  We haven't started to load these yet since we're having problems
with the basic set.

Can anyone enlighten me to a source for "font" talk for the MAC and does
anyone have any info/experiences that could help me!

Desperate!!

Henry (dunsmore@upei.ca)
From: moon@evax.gdc.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Russian/Cyrillic on PCs
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:00:06 GMT
Organization: General DataComm, Middlebury CT

I am looking for general information about support of the 
Russian language and Cyrillic characters on IBM-compatible
PCs.  Not only fonts, but keyboards, software, etc.

Thanks in advance for your help.
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From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PFB-files renameable?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:17:51 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de's message of 25 Jan 93 16:27:15 GMT


In article <1k14d3INNmh5@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:


   Are there any known problem with renaming PFB and PFM files of a type1 font?
   As far as I have tested it , it works, but who knows what kind of weird con-
   figurations exist out there...

Right, you can call them anything you like, as long as you either
`Remove' the old versions and `Add' the new ones using ATM, or
update both ATM.INI and WIN.INI to reflect the new names.  Renaming 
the files does not change the Windows Face Name shown in font menus,
or any of the other `font names' such as PS FontName, FullName or 
FamilyName. Most applications refer to the fonts via the
Windows Face Name (except TeX, which uses the file name).

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: georgem@microsoft.com (George Moore)
Subject: TrueType specifications, version 2.00
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:58:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: all

The latest revision to the TrueType font format specifications
is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.uu.net in the 
/vendor/microsoft/TrueType-Info directory.  The file is 
called "ttf_spec.hlp" and, like the previous revision, is a
fully illustrated hypertext-based version of the 400 page spec.
Since this is based upon the Windows help engine, if you have 
Windows 3.1, then you have all of the tools necessary to display 
this document.  The file is 950KB in size.

The only major changes to this spec are the fixing of some typos and
several technical revisions where the illustrations didn't necessarily
match exactly what was happening within the rasterizer.  There are no
new table or structural changes to the font format.  Note that this
is revision 2.00 of the Microsoft spec and does not include any
information about the TrueType GX font format extensions from Apple.

There is also other TrueType information in that directory -- consult 
the "readme.txt" file for more information.
From: Stefan.Meyerolbersleben@bbs.gold.sub.org (Stefan Meyerolbersleben)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Wanted: print-drivers to include in own software
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:13:27 GMT
Reply-To: Stefan.Meyerolbersleben@bbs.gold.sub.org (Stefan Meyerolbersleben)
Organization: Unix Mailbox Baldham
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10b S/N 165921

I'm want to develop software, that supports a wide variety of printers.
So I need the escape-sequences of many printers like laser-printers
(HP-LJet, Canon,... ) and matrix-printers (Epson,Star...). I don't want
to look up all in the manuals and I don'T have all the printers to
do the debugging. Questions:
1. Is there any documentation about esc-sequences of different printers
2. Is there any library, which I could use
3. Is there any service, which could give me the necessary informations
in the future ?
I only need some basic facilities of the printers, like: change from
10cpi to 17 cpi, switch to draft, set the page-margins...
Thanks !
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jrm@crest.uucp (John Morris)
Subject: Looking for Font Dev. Software
Summary: Need font creating software
Keywords: Fonts,development
Organization: Hycel Properties
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:39:18 GMT

Dear Netters,

    I am looking for software to create some special fonts (they look like

    check protector fonts) that can then be down loaded to a yet to be 

    determined dot matrix printer.

    If you know of any good packages with this capability, please e-mail

    and I'll post a summary.

         Thanks in advance,
         John Morris
         email: wupost!crest!jrm  or jrm@crest.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:22:26 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes
> 
> Hello, all.  I just got Metamorphosis Pro and I've been converting several  
PS
> Type 1 fonts to TrueType.  (What can I say- I like it! :)  What I need to  
know
> is, if I convert copyrighted fonts (Say, Adobe Garamond) can these fonts  
then
> be distributed, or are they still copyrighted to Adobe? 

You absolutely can't distribute those converted fonts.  The copyright
covers derivative works, and you will get yourself into a lot of hot water
posting them to the Internet.  It seems to me that it should say something
about this in the Metamorphosis Pro manual.

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From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PFB-files renameable?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:36:39 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1k14d3INNmh5@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>
>As far as I know renaming the FOT and TTF file of a truetype font is a "nono",
>because some path information is stored in the FOT file...

Can't you just rename the .TTF font, delete the .FOT font, and regenerate it
by reinstalling he renamed .TTF?

---Jon


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From: aa328@Freenet.carleton.ca (Sandy Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Where is a TRUE ISO LATIN-1 FONT
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:31:57 GMT
Reply-To: aa328@Freenet.carleton.ca (Sandy Shaw)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet


I am looking for a font that is a true representation of the ISO LATIN-1
character set. That is the codepoints for the characters are defined as in
the ISO LATIN-1 definition. 

Does anyone know of a version of a typeface which meets this requirement.

Thank you in advance.

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From: lalthen@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Lee Althen)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Looking for a PostScript font with stnd keyboard key tops
Keywords: key-captions key-tops fonts
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:19:05 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA

Does anyone know if there is a PostScript font that contains the
key captions (key tops) for the standard  PC key board. If so, do you
have the vendor's address or phone number or proper name.

Thanks for helping out.

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: aburns@plains.NoDak.edu (Arvid Burns)
Subject: Type-On-Call Problem
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:15:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

 
 
I'm just curious to see if anyone who has Adobe Type-On-Call
has a problem with long copy times after unlocking a font
from their Type-On-Call disk. After I rebuild the desktop and
if I don't try to copy a folder (I copy the contents, one item
at a time) I can get my fonts backed up on disk.
 
By the way, I just got one of Adobe's Multiple Masters and 
they are pretty cool!!
 
Arvid Burns
aburns@plains.nodak.edu
From: jpeppler@acpub.duke.edu (Jane Peppler)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts
Summary: Type 1/ Truetype font program
Keywords: fontographer
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:36:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I have really been enjoying the font generator and editor called "Fontographer"
which only runs under Windows but generates Type 1, bitmapped, or True TYpe
fonts useable under all the usual circumstances. With it you can remap,
condense/skew/etc etc/ your existing type 1 fonts or make new ones.
They also have extremely helpful tech support. They give an educational
discount for their software. 214-680-2060. (Unsolicited testimonial.)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Font Design Apps and Hinting
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:33:24 GMT

I've got some questions about font design that I'm hoping the informed  
people on this newsgroup might be able to help me with. I will summarize  
any e-mail responses.

1) What is the best, or to be less vague, what is the most *professional*  
font design application available on any platform (UNIX, Mac, DOS, etc).  
I'm assuming the professional font design houses are using stuff other  
than Fontographer or FontStudio. I'm wondering if it isn't custom software  
and if it's generally available.

2) I am currently using Fontographer, and find it pretty useful, but I'm  
having trouble with creating good font hints for my Type 1 designs. In  
testing the process, I've been re-drawing Times-Roman, based on a template  
of the original. I'm following all the rules about tangent control points  
etc. that supposedly make the Nimbus Q font hinting algorithms work best.  
In comparison to the original, my clone font shares most of the same  
control points just by nature of these rules, and I'm even editing the  
hints manually to achieve the greatest possible similarity to the original  
(as far as I can tell from decoding the Type 1 file in Fontographer). My  
results, however, do not quite match the original, and are not  
particularly great. Adobe's outlines don't rasterize to look as well as  
their hand-tuned bitmap, but it still looks a bit better than what I get  
from Fontographer. 

I'm beginning to assume that font hinting is an arcane process that  
requires font developers to spend enormous amounts of time doing empirical  
tests. We're talking more time than actually drawing the font. Is there a  
better way to build hints (better software?) , so as not to have to resort  
to hand tuned bitmaps?

AK
andre@wri.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (sine path square field)
Subject: Re: What is the font used in NASA logo? Where?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:12:02 GMT


hey, i am pretty sure that the NASA logo was hand drawn.




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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mjkim@kaist.ac.kr (Kim Myoung-Jun)
Subject: HELP! How to work ATM/Windows
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 06:45:49 GMT

Hi.
I am interested in making font rasterizer like ATM, TrueType interpreter.
But I don't know how Windows applications work with ATM fonts transparently.
Unfortunatly I have no ATM..
Anyone can help me ?

Myoung-jun Kim
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: chang hsu liu <cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: What is the font used in NASA logo? Where?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:41:36 GMT


Is there a site that has the font like NASA logo? 

Thanks in advance.

Peter Liu
cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Font Design Apps and Hinting
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:42:23 GMT

This is a repost (for me anyway) of a message I think may have gotten lost  
by a mail server that died on us the other day. Trying once more to be  
sure:

---------

I've got some questions about font design that I'm hoping the informed  
people on this newsgroup might be able to help me with. I will summarize  
any e-mail responses.

1) What is the best, or to be less vague, what is the most *professional*  
font design application available on any platform (UNIX, Mac, DOS, etc)?  
I'm assuming the professional font design houses are using stuff other  
than Fontographer or FontStudio (although I've read that Sumner Stone uses  
FontStudio). I'm wondering if people aren't using custom software and if  
any of it's generally available. Perhaps someone can tell me if they think  
FontStudio is better than Fontographer?

2) I am currently using Fontographer, and find it pretty useful, but I'm  
having trouble with creating good font hints for my Type 1 designs. In  
testing the process, I've been re-drawing Times-Roman, based on a template  
of the original. I'm following all the rules about tangent control points  
etc. that supposedly make the Nimbus Q font hinting algorithms work best.  
In comparison to the original, my clone font shares most of the same  
control points just by nature of these rules, and I'm even editing the  
hints manually to achieve the greatest possible similarity to the original  
(as far as I can tell from decoding the Type 1 file in Fontographer). My  
results, however, do not quite match the original, and are not  
particularly great. Adobe's outlines don't rasterize to look as well as  
their hand-tuned bitmap, but it still looks a bit better than what I get  
from Fontographer. 

I'm beginning to assume that font hinting is an arcane process that  
requires font developers to spend enormous amounts of time doing empirical  
tests. We're talking more time than actually drawing the font. Is there a  
better way to build hints (better software?) , so as not to have to resort  
to hand tuned bitmaps?

AK
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:00:44 GMT
Organization: Trilithon Software

In article <1993Jan25.171926.21513@ultb.isc.rit.edu> phd1667@ultb.isc.rit.edu  
(P.H. Dixon) writes:
    *  It is important to note that if you own a font, and convert
    *  it for use on the same computer (ie. MAC font from type 1
    *  to TT), that probably is ok. However, I'm sure that Adobe
    *  and other companies frown upon the practice of converting
    *  a Macintosh font to a PC or SUN font (or vice versa).

    *  This is one of those legal gray areas... IMHO it does seem
    *  ridiculous to bye a font and have to buy it again for other
    *  computers (I own both a Macintosh and PC).
Fonts are usually LICENSED for use on a particular printer or RIP.
As far as I know there's no restrictions agains converting the 
storage format of the font from Mac or PC so it works on UNIX,
for example.  In fact, people in the UNIX arena are generally forced
into some kind of conversion process from Mac or PC fonts because
the major vendors can't be bothered to sell fonts for such a picayune
market as UNIX.

        ........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jhelling@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman)
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:18:26 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1993Jan21.172248.13913@bsu-ucs> 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:


>Hello, all.  I just got Metamorphosis Pro and I've been converting several PS
>Type 1 fonts to TrueType.  (What can I say- I like it! :)  What I need to know
>is, if I convert copyrighted fonts (Say, Adobe Garamond) can these fonts then
>be distributed, or are they still copyrighted to Adobe?  I recall a few months
>(maybe a year?) back that faces converted between formats were no longer
>copyrighted.  I just wanna be SAFE before I go posting any of them to the
>InterNet.

It depends on the country you are in whether the fonts themselves are
copyrighted, but the programs to print them (i.e. the PostScript) is, and the
converted programs just as well -- think of it as having the copyrighted
source code of a program, compiling that won't change the copyright status --
coverting is another way of compiling (and vice versa), so I won't distribute
those fonts, if you want to stay inside the law.

If you want to distrubute fonts for free, I encourage you, but, even when
those big font sellers ask to much money for their things, and pay to much to
their lawyers, I don't think it is proper to distribute their work -- just
make your own for yourself, or pick free fonts to distribute --unlike some
people tell here on the newsgroup, there are perfect and good hinted fonts in
the public domain -- whereas I often see commercial vendors ask huge amounts
of money for horrible fonts -- just received a sample of a Hebrew font that is
so ugly and clearly made in one night -- still they asked 75 pounds for it.

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Xref: sparky comp.fonts:4037 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:6614 soc.culture.greek:12576
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 13:52:55 TUR
From: <E59137@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Ancient Greek Font(w/ diacritical marks) needed, pleeease!

The subject line says it, I need a windows font (TrueType or ATM) that can
handle long texts in ancient greek script.  I prefer PD/FW but SW or other
will also do.  I want to use the font w/ W4W 2.0 or WP4W and don't tell me
about the stupid WP4W add-on that requires at least a couple of keystrokes for
each letter.  Please e-mail to avoid clutter, I will summarize if there is
interest.

Thanx in advance,

--Cenk
From: tims@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Truetype Init/Extension?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:07:35 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Is there an INIT/Extension available that will allow users to use TrueType
fonts on their Mac running system 6.x?  Where can I find it?  Please e-mail
me at tims@bvc.edu or post to this group.

Thanks!

Tim Seydel / Buena Vista College / Storm Lake, IA
internet address:  tims@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts
From: Dimitri Vulis <DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 10:06:42 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1993Jan21.062539.3195@samba.oit.unc.edu>, alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
(Andrew Lewis) says:
>How does one get a font from a listserver?  Can you ftp to it, or what?
Unfortunately, you can't FTP to a LISTSERV: it's a mail server (written
by Eric Thomas).   You send e-mail to LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
saying in its body: GET RUSTEX-L FILELIST.  A few hours later you get
a filelist (generally scrambled, but readable)  Then you send a command
like GET CYRGOTHIC PACKAGE (or something very similar, the exact name is
in the filelist which I don't have handy).  It gets e-mailed to you,
uuencoded.  I recall I've put one BIH2HEX'd copy (for Mac) and ARCed.

Dimitri
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim Powlesland)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Latvian language fonts for the mac
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:41:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1jeas5INNrvk@corax.udac.uu.se> Michael R. Semple <Semple@skinner.fysik.uu.se> writes:
>Does anyone know where I can get hold of Latvian language fonts, in
>particular the three mentioned below:
>     LaTimes
>     LaJanson
>     LaHelvetica
>I am very grateful for any assistance.
>

I know someone that would like DOS Latvian fonts as well. Please
post to me.

Jim


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From: kgng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ng Kim Guan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: HELP: Converting PC Type 1 to Mac Type 1?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:56:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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How does one go about converting Type 1 fonts for the PC to Type 1 for
the Mac? A quick glance through all the articles show some discussion of
PC -> Mac, but not the other way.

Thanks for your help.
-Kim

(kgng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au)

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer)
Subject: Re: Copyright on converted fonts? HELP!
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: University of Ulm
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:16:45 GMT

In article <7dl3ah=@rpi.edu>, kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) wrote:
> 
> In <C19KtA.DM@netnews.jhuapl.edu> ygor@3d2c.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C)) writes:
> 
> >  If a scaled font (PostScript or True Type) is copyrighted, you must
> > get permission before you distribute any converted versions.
> 
> But it must be said that if you did pay for the fonts, you have the
> right to convert them to any format you want for your own use. 
> 
> (Of course, in this case the point's kind of moot.... I've had a
> freeware TrueType Garamond clone for about a year now....)

it is a dual problem in Europe. The License agreement you are bound
to say explicitly not to decompile a font (Adobe). It is forbidden,
but Adobe Illustrater does exactly that for shaping Type 1 Fonts.
In other words the same company which forbids the decompilation of
fonts sells the program with the feature to decompile the fonts!!!

Metamorphosis, Fontographer, Fontstudio and Fontmonger also have to
decompile the fonts in an intermediate format to recompile it into 
Truetype.

Just an opinion!

Christian Bauer

bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de