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From: tim_lb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tim Leighton-boyce)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Jury Clear Knox
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: tim_lb@cix.compulink.co.uk


And here's some good news (if it's true, that is):

A jury cleared Tom Knox when he stood trial recently, charged with assaulting -

the chief of police in Visalia. Karma Tsochef took the stand as a witness 
for the defence, apparently.

I'm not too sure about that one: it came via the Cruz pre-release rumour 
service. Some of their stuff is followed by hasty retractions.

The same source also claims that Andy Roy was caught short a "a recent 
contest." Rather than locate the men's room, he relieved himself with the 
help of a big plastic bottle. He then went up to the balcony and tipped 
the lot over the crowd.

Actually, that's nothing: at a lame "big" contest which took place in 
London last summer, the organiser messed the skaters around so much that 
a whole bunch of irate competitors filled SEVERAL bottles by the same 
method, and totally soaked the guy. What's more, they tipped off the tv 
crew who were recording the event - so the whole thing ended up on tape.
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: Love Child review
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:48:27 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

A friend of mine has the new BP video, Ravers.  S'pretty cool.  Definitely
worth seeing.  Jeremy Klein does some no complies, which took me back to
the old days.. :)  No bonelesses, though.  The funny thing is that if
you're subscribed to a skate magazine of some sort, you've probably
already seen a lot of the footage in ads.  Oh well.  They have a lot of
local San Diego footage in it, one of my favorite spots even.. but that's
inconsequential.

Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman)
Subject: Re: SKATEBOARDING IS RAD
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:47:06 GMT

In article <27JAN93.25508740.0053@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> H5FK@UNB.CA (H5FK) writes:
>HELLO!  i like to skate but i can only do it whenever my damned city
>doesn't think it is a popsicle, and that is usually four months ou^t
>of the year.  you know what?.....i hate popsicles!!  delane       |
                                                                   |
  I got that new Heinzman Beastie Boys slick.....Yippee.        would
  Question is, would I reeally want to boardslide and           that be
  messupp the coolest rappers in the whole world?  I`m           N.J.?
  gonna shelack it I think.  Then I'm gonna build a 12
 foot Half and never ride it. Rad, dude.
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: DC places to skate
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:29:00 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Personally, I get the most enjoyment out of skating with people that are
better than I am.  Oh well.  It can be utterly humiliating, like when you
try things that you haven't perfected yet jsut because they're harder and
you want to impress, and you blow it entirely.  I guess the best mix is to
skate with those better than you occassionally, learn new things, and
skate with your friends who are about as good as you are to perfect them
and pass the knowledge along.  I also skate with those who are less
skilled than I because I know how much it means for me to skate with say
Kris Markovich, or someone similar :)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: tim_lb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tim Leighton-boyce)
Subject: Bury Ramp (England) Closing
Reply-To: tim_lb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:04:00 +0000

You win some and you loose some.

England's gained two new indoor parks this winter (in Northampton and 
London). Ireland's finally got one too (in Dublin). But it looks like the 
Goshen Park in Bury, near Manchester, will close within the next two 
months.

It had a rad vert ramp and an excellent mid-sized mini. You might have 
seen glimpses of it in various videos (the word "Boards" was painted as a 
logo on the wall next to the mini.) Last example of that may well prove to 
be stuff of Danny Way, shot last summer.

That's sad. For a long time it was the ONLY decent indoor place in 
England.

Oh well: now it's turning into an aerobics centre...

Tim L-B
From: bk405@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark E Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: New to the group.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:24:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
	Yo, I am new to this news group, but am a skater.  Didn't
Reply-To: bk405@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark E Hartman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

know there was a group for us skaters, but am glad to see one! :)

-- 
	Mark Hartman		mhartman@umcc.ais.org
	Kalamazoo, MI		bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu
	" Fish On! "  - Primus -
From: jnixon@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (John Nixon)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: Possible Snowboarders?
Summary: You bet!
Keywords: rad, as
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:31:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.skate-board
Distribution: world
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <25JAN93.14078852.0092@VM1.MCGILL.CA> HCOA@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (HCOA) writes:

>This is just a short note to see if anybody who posts here snowboards
>would be interested in talking 'bout it. From sliding rail to jibbin
> stumps to carving turns on a race board.

Sure thing James!

I went last (Oz) season, got hooked and will be back again (at a
differenet mountain) this season.  I learned how to do it in basically 6
days, after slamming so heavily in the first 2 days that on a skate I
would have been dead after the first two slams.  Where I was is called
Mt. Bulla in Victoria, Australia.  Where I will be next season
is Mt. Hotham, same state and country.  Season after that I will be going
to New Zealand for about two weeks, and get dropped off by a helicopter
on the side of a mountain and spend the day boarding down it, if all
goes well.  I told you I was hooked!

Snowboarding is just about the best thing I have ever done, period.

For those who have never snowboarded:

Snowboarding is *not* like skateboarding, and un-learning 15 years of
skateboarding was just one of the many hurdles in learning how to
snowboard on the first snow experience ever.  Turing is much more like
skiing, so I am told.

I'd better stop now, in case there is a newsgroup elsewhere for this
kind of thing and the net.police find out about thisa post :-)

All skaters who reach the snow should give it a try.  *HIGHLY*
recommended!

--
John Nixon {Research Dude} jnixon@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au [08 228-5407]
Department of Applied Mathematics, The University of Adelaide, SA, AUSTRALIA
        "Moby" Sample of the Week: "Yeah.  Everything will be alright."
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:18:25 EST
From: Robert B. MacMillan <RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: ron gordon

if any of you skater assholes out there know who ron gordon the skater
is, or see him in any videos, he got blown by my ex-bitch.
he's an asshole with an attitude, just like you cocksuckers, and he
has aids.  don't suck him, or you'll die.
the ex is catherine r. krzyzanowski,
i bet some of you guys know her too.  sorry, guys, it's all over.
i 'got out' so to speak, before it was too late.
happy lesion-treating,
x
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
From: paulhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Paul Hertz)
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Followup-To: alt.artcom
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:14:21 GMT

In article <MfLR_x200WBNI671dj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Carl Loeffler
<cel+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>   ANYTHING you get away with...

At last, someone who's willing to tip his hand! No more of this late
romantic hash about life styles and sentiments. 

Art is whatever the dealer/collector/critic axis sanctions within the art
market, and those who are clever enough to slip one by them (usually by
adopting the appropriate intellectual badges, which are currently (alas,
still...) pomo decon) are privileged to call themselves professional
artists.

Art is whatever sells in the art market.

As for the other stuff people do...could be a form of brain damage.



  /\\ | paul-hertz@nwu.edu (Paul Hertz) 
/ \\  | Advanced Technology Group, Northwestern University
/ \/ \| 627 Dartmouth Place
\ /\//| Evanston, IL 60208
  /   | The whole world ice skates on a thin layer of brain damage
 \\// |     -- Donald Barthelme
From: st20m@rosie.uh.edu (Joiner, Paul B.)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: What is Art?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:03 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Howdy!

I think art is expression.  Whatever medium one may choose for one's 
expression is immaterial.  A well-spoken speech or a clear visual image or
touching performance are all art.

Now, what is "well-spoken," "clear," and "touching"?  THAT is between the 
artist and the audience and is none of anybody else's business.

Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:12:05 -0500 
From: Carl Loeffler <cel+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: What is Art!

> Whatever you can get away with...

Ahem, this means, Conceptually, but also can include the
market. Warhol was a GENIUS at both...  Great concept
great marketing.

I don't think that great marketing alone, is enough for something
to be regarded as Art. Keane paintings for example.

Carl
From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino)
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:27:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.artcom

In article <paulhz-250193091715@jegog.acns.nwu.edu>,
paulhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Paul Hertz) wrote:
> 
> In article <MfLR_x200WBNI671dj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Carl Loeffler
> <cel+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   ANYTHING you get away with...
> 
> At last, someone who's willing to tip his hand! No more of this late
> romantic hash about life styles and sentiments. 
> 
> Art is whatever the dealer/collector/critic axis sanctions within the art
> market, and those who are clever enough to slip one by them (usually by
> adopting the appropriate intellectual badges, which are currently (alas,
> still...) pomo decon) are privileged to call themselves professional
> artists.
> 
> Art is whatever sells in the art market.
> 
> As for the other stuff people do...could be a form of brain damage.
> 
> 
> 
>   /\\ | paul-hertz@nwu.edu (Paul Hertz) 
> / \\  | Advanced Technology Group, Northwestern University
> / \/ \| 627 Dartmouth Place
> \ /\//| Evanston, IL 60208
>   /   | The whole world ice skates on a thin layer of brain damage
>  \\// |     -- Donald Barthelme

spoken like true yuppie scum.
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Computer Art "works on paper" discussion group via e-mail
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:16:40 GMT

Announcing a new mailing list discussion group for those interested
in hardcopy computer art.  Here is our initial charter:

     "The PAPER-L electronic bulletin board is designed to provide 
a place for artists and technicians to discuss the use of hardcopy 
media for computer art, and other issues related to such art.  This 
would include, for example, discussions of various printers, papers, 
and related photographic processes, archival issues, esthetic issues, 
the announcement of computer art shows and gallery openings, and 
market issues relating to computer art. This bulletin board is an
outgrowth of the "works on paper" birds-of-a-feather meeting at the
Siggraph '92 meeting held in Chicago."

We hope to meet again at Siggraph '93.  We also hope to gain the e-mail  
participation of artists on other networks (e.g. CompuServe) via internet  
gateways, interested printer and imaging companies (e.g. Iris, Kodak,  
Tektronix), and related service companies and galleries (e.g. Nash  
Editions).  So please pass this along!

To join in, send e-mail to:

listserv@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or listserv@nyuacf (bitnet)

and as the body of the message include this line with _your_ name:

subscribe paper-l John Smith

Once your subscription has been processed you will be sent a response.
From that point on you will be able to send mail to all subscribers via  
the address:

paper-l@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or paper-l@nyuacf (bitnet)

If any of this proves to be problematic, send direct e-mail to me at the  
address below.  If direct e-mail also fails please consult with your local  
network administrators.

Thanks for your interest,

 Phil

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Philip Galanter         New York University    phone:    212-998-3041
Research Associate      251 Mercer             fax:      212-995-4120
Academic Computing      New York, NY 10012 internet: galanter@nyu.edu

O f f i c e   o f   A r t s   &   M e d i a   T e c h n o l o g i e s
From: paulhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Paul Hertz)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:08:27 GMT
Followup-To: alt.artcom
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <eauu018-260193012659@714-725-3174.nts.uci.edu>,
eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino) wrote:

> spoken like true yuppie scum.

Well, sir, no flames were intended. Or do I detect an even heavier irony
than my own?

Still, the romantic image of art may be so dear that even irony must be
assailed. 




  /\\ | paul-hertz@nwu.edu (Paul Hertz) 
/ \\  | Advanced Technology Group, Northwestern University
/ \/ \| 627 Dartmouth Place
\ /\//| Evanston, IL 60208
  /   | The whole world ice skates on a thin layer of brain damage
 \\// |     -- Donald Barthelme
From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (FTB)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:18:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.artcom
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <93026.133017IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
(Chris Masters) wrote:
> 
> Paul Hertz may be yuppy scum, but he has a very good point.
> From a professional standpoint, it does no good to make art if you cant
> sell it.  You get very hungry very fast.  The sentiment of being an
> artist to create is very noble and is a great mindset to have,
> unfortunately, practicality has a way of ruining a good idea.
> 
> Helga

>>Art is whatever sells in the art market.

These statements are ridiculous... I realize that you must earn money to
live...  I realize that the art that sells is the art that is pushed by the
media cannon...  I just dont belive that simply because you can sell a
piece, or cant sell a piece has anything to do with the piece being art... 
There certainly exists art that is made to be sold, but that is not even
close to all of it... Murals, installations, public performances,
happenings, activist art... all of these are are, and most of it does _NOT_
sell...  Many pieces are funded by granting organizations for the benefit
of the artist and the public... NOT funded by the artist for the sale...

Anything presented as art by the visual artist in this day and time is art.
 

Just a survey so we all can get a background on eachother... who is a
visual artist, and who is just a public viewer giving his/her opinion?

I myself am a visual artist who works with installation, painting, and
video.

Glenn Kaino
From: au462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:15:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Art is theft.
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:49:10 GMT

In article <93026.133017IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Chris Masters) writes:
>Paul Hertz may be yuppy scum, but he has a very good point.
>From a professional standpoint, it does no good to make art if you cant
>sell it.  You get very hungry very fast.  The sentiment of being an
>artist to create is very noble and is a great mindset to have,
>unfortunately, practicality has a way of ruining a good idea.
>

i don't think it's a question of who is or isn't yuppie scum.

we have a National Endowment for the Arts whose purpose is
to broaden the participants beyond those which are commercially
viable today.  remember that it's those people out there on the
fringe today who will be commercially hot tomorrow, so without
some support beyond pure supply/demand economics, we'd be leading
very boring lives indeed.

thankfully, some folks would rather be hungry than produce art
that pleases mainstream Amerika.  it's a chance to
influence what Amerika will think about next.

duane
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
From: Greg_Douglas@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Douglas)
Subject: Re:What is Art?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:13:47 GMT

Art is how you live your life.
                        -Dostoyevsky
Check it out



--
Greg Douglas@mindlink.bc.ca
From: st20m@rosie.uh.edu (Joiner, Paul B.)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Followup-To: alt.artcom
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:21 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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In article <eauu018-270193010619@714-725-3167.nts.uci.edu>, eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (FTB) writes...
> 
>Anything presented as art by the visual artist in this day and time is art.
> 
Only visual art?

> 
>Just a survey so we all can get a background on eachother... who is a
>visual artist, and who is just a public viewer giving his/her opinion?
> 
>Glenn Kaino
I am an actor (read performance artist if you prefer) who also dabbles
in visual art (computer graphics, scene painting), and even some writing 
on occasion.

I am curious what you mean by "just a public viewer."  I have always 
functioned under the Artaudian notion that art (the performance in my case)
doesn't exist until it is shared with an audience.  The experience that is
art is not created by the artist, but by the audience in their own minds.
What an artist creates is merely a catalyst to that experience.

The audience, then, validates the artists creations.

Basicly, I believe that if they don't get it, it don't count.

Paul b. Joiner
The Lorax                     I am the Lorax, koo koo ka joo
st20m@jetson.uh.edu
Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:30:01 -0500 
From: Carl Loeffler <cel+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: WHAT IS ART?

 
>Art is a way of life, and anything anyone who adopts Art as a lifestyle
>creates is then Art.
 
>Glenn


Very nice, Glenn, and I would also add INTENTION.

C---
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 17:28:12 EST
From: <IO21174@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art?
 <1993Jan19.203658.27516@cbnews.cb.att.com>


In article <1993Jan19.203658.27516@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com
(Andreas Meyer) says:
>
>In alt.artcom, cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell) writes:
>> I think art is anything that makes any person whatsovever go "huh!?".
>
>Then by your definition, DOS is art.  :-)
>(Sorry. It's just what makes most people around here go "huh!?".)
>
>Andy

UH-HUH!!!!  I have long suspected that DOS was some kind of Dada style art
hoax.  It surely makes me go "huh!?," which is one big reason I have a Mac.

                                 Troy
From: IO21256@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (adam)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:55:49 GMT
 <paulhz-250193091715@jegog.acns.nwu.edu>
 <eauu018-260193012659@714-725-3174.nts.uci.edu>
 <93026.133017IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Organization: University of Maine System


  Art is what you do to please yourself.  If you are lucky enough
that you can sell it that's great but if you are doing it to
please others its not art its craft.  Not that craft is a bad
thing.
adam.
From: IO92582@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Chris Masters)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art? :-)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:30:17 GMT
 <paulhz-250193091715@jegog.acns.nwu.edu>
 <eauu018-260193012659@714-725-3174.nts.uci.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

Paul Hertz may be yuppy scum, but he has a very good point.
From a professional standpoint, it does no good to make art if you cant
sell it.  You get very hungry very fast.  The sentiment of being an
artist to create is very noble and is a great mindset to have,
unfortunately, practicality has a way of ruining a good idea.

Helga
Newsgroups: alt.artcom,k12.ed.art,rec.arts.bodyart,rec.arts.misc,rec.photo
From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino)
Subject: Re: What is Art
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:30:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.artcom

In article <1jnvtgINN2u9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, au462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Robert Drake) wrote:
> 
> 
> Art is theft.

theft of what?
From: RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu (Robert B. MacMillan)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:09:14 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

i believe that art is pretentious.  that's why i do it.
From: au462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:04:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


>In article <1jnvtgINN2u9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, au462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>(Robert Drake) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Art is theft.
>
>Theft of what?

Theft  (by the "cultural elite":--sorry danny boy used up 
that term) of the right of every human to creativity and 
expression.  Art (capital "A") and the Art System puts up 
a wall between what is & is not Art--elevating some folk's 
acts of creation and negating other's.  Ultimately it's 
enforced by the Market, so that Money determines what is 
and is not Art--   

it's no accident that the legal definition of "pornography" 
specifically excuses "Art" (historically, "art movies" is a 
euphamism for "porn flick", a usage having it's roots in 
Victorian times when the male censors didn't want to give 
up their etchings)--why should "Art" receive such privilage?

i'm working on a piece right now, incorporating a sheaf of
 poems written by a woman in the 1940's--poems i picked out 
of the garbage after she died.  she goave up poetry after 
highschool & went on to live a "normal" life of wife/mother, 
she wasn't given permission to be an artist, her art was stolen 
from her by the system that lets some people in, keeps 
most out.  the Art System.  

Art is Theft.

--luigi
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
From: dsp@halcyon.com (Don Smith)
Subject: Re: WHAT IS ART?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:26:41 GMT

  I've come to think of art as a process and those things we like to
call paintings and photo's etc. as a record of the process that you
happen to be going through at the time. A record of what you were
thinking, feeling and seeing. 
   Hopefully if you do it right then someone can look at what you make
and come to an intuitive understanding of that moment in your life.


     Don



dsp@halcyon.com
From: st20m@rosie.uh.edu (Joiner, Paul B.)
Newsgroups: alt.artcom
Subject: Re: What is Art?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:56 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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In article <93026.210914RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu>, Robert B. MacMillan <RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu> writes...
>i believe that art is pretentious.  that's why i do it.

AMEN!

Paul b. Joiner
The Lorax                     I am the Lorax, koo koo ka joo
st20m@jetson.uh.edu
Newsgroups: alt.artcom