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From: kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:51:36 GMT
Organization: Chrysler Financial Corp., Southfield, MI

In article <X9i3VB2w165w@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:
>kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>> In article <lgXLrA1BBh107h@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeB
>> >What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
>> >Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
>> >transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
>> >site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.
>> 
>> The problem is that if every Tom, Dick and Harriet with a PC registers as a
>> second-level name under .pri, then you end up with a DNS zone containing 
>> literally millions of RR's, which are all being queried constantly. Massive 
>> capacity and adminstrative problems. Zone transfers would be a bitch. Lots of
>> name conflicts. In short, the idea makes for short, easy-to-type mail 
>> addresses, but breaks the scalability of global DNS.
> 
>I think you might be overestimating a bit here.  Although there are
>millions of PC's out there, I suspect only a small fraction of them
>are, or would want to become, sites connected to "the net".  Thousands
>maybe, but not millions.  
>
>I do agree that there is the potential for a problem, but the same
>potential exists for other top-level domains, especially .com.  What
>keeps .com from getting out of control (besides the fact that businesses
>are failing left and right :-) ?

It could get out of control, in theory, but whereas the average node count
for a domain in the proposed .pri domain is likely to be only slightly higher
than 1, the average node count for .com domains has traditionally been much
higher than that. So I'd expect .pri to become a problem far sooner.

Besides, we could always split up .com between purveyors of "goods" and 
"services", right? Isn't that distinction obvious in all cases? :-)

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From: mlewis@wplace (Mark Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and Share.exe question?
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:49:51 GMT
Reply-To: mlewis%wplace@cssnet.UUCP
Organization: The Waffle House, Waldo's Place USA


abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (jim mcnicholas) writes:
> > abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> > > My DOS 5.0 manual does not document /F.  Maybe I missed it.  What page
> > > is it on?
> >         It's an Undocumented feature!!  try it it works, put /f on
> >         the end of your shell line watch when you switch to the A:
> >         drive without anything in it!  Your system just goes on about
> Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't work for me:
>                            ~~~~~~~
> E:\>a:
> Not ready reading drive A
> Abort, Retry, Fail?Current drive is no longer valid>a
>
> Not ready reading drive A
> Abort, Retry, Fail?Invalid drive specification
> Bad command or file name

where are the a's and <cr>'s coming from?? you did reboot after adding 
the /f right?? it has worked here and on every machine i've installed 
since DOS 5 came out...

also i notice that in the above quotes, jim@jimmc.chi.il.us says that 
changing to the A: drive will fail... actually it does... but it then 
comes up with the "Current drive is no longer valid"... i assume that it 
is here that you are hitting a for abort...

try it this way... with A: door open, DIR A:

it might take a second or two, but DOS will fail once or twice and 
return to the command prompt (or .BAT file) on the default drive (which 
should not be the A: drive...

> And my CONFIG.SYS contains:
>
> device=c:\umb_drvr.sys /C=02 /M=........................

what's this?? it isn't something that came with DOS... it may inhibit 
DOS's /F for some reason...

> devicehigh=c:\himem.sys
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> devicehigh=c:\mouse\mouse.sys
> shell=c:\dos50\command.com /e:1800 /p /f
> devicehigh=c:\ramdrive.sys 768 /e
> devicehigh=c:\util\tansi.sys
> stacks=0,0
> buffers=30,8
> FILES=39
> break=ON

and why have BREAK=ON... it slows down procesing unnecessarily and 
should not be needed unless absolutely necessary, IMHO..

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 16:42:13 GMT

rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:

>comments to me and generally praising me on my efforts.  Isn't there
>anyone who despises Helldiver? :-)

I do!  Why should you Windows chaps have all the fun! :)

>Format, and maybe QWK too if I get time.  It's also possible that a DOS
>version of Helldiver will be available too, but since Helldiver is very
>memory-hungry, this may be difficult.  I have no idea when this re-write
>will be available, but hopefully within the first few months of 1993.

Sounding better all the time.  Thanks for your contribution to the
Waffle community (even if it does perpetuate the Windows myth :) ).
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From: Jonathan Herr <herrj%n@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: User-Only type documentation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 07:11:03 EST
Organization: WVCF, Vincennes, IN, USA
Disclaimer: Author responsible for contents

dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David William Wrage) writes:

# I'm thinking of editing the USER.DOC file, it's just htat I'm too d*mn lazy t
# really want to do it.  any ideas?
# 

I use the /waffle/menus/main file.  Every time that I add a command
(via /waffle/extern) I add the command to the /waffle/menus/main
file.  It's not that hard.  If you add the command to the file right
after you add it to the system, then you should always have an
updated user doc.



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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Offline readers
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:12:05 GMT

From article <C02rIK.5pn@gator.use.com>, by larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder):
> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
> 
>>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>>A bogus address if ever I saw one!
> 
> It must have been hacked up from TBBS :)

	Sorry Larry.  It's infallable AIX running on that oh-so-wonderful
RISC 6000 this time :)

	(Actually, I know better than to blame the OS for this sort of
problem...like I said in the previous message, it was the way the
SysAdmin compiled one of the programs)

 TTYL
 Chris
From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: uucico G protocol patch
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 11:31:02 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

> > I saw a reference in this newsgroup to a patch for uucico to
> > allow it to support the 'G' protocol as an alternative to 'g'.
> > Can someone please point me to where that I can get details
> > of this patch!
>
> Well - it was me who posted the article about patching uucico, so here's
> the way to do it:
>
> 1. Copy uucico.exe to uucicog.exe
> 2. Use a diskeditor supporting search-commands (Norton's DiskEdit works
>    fine) to modify this file.
> 3. Search for the string 'U%c'.
> 4. Replace it with 'UG' and a nullbyte.
> 5. Save your changes.
> 6. Quit the editor
> 7. If using BNU (or any other FOSSIL), remember to set the buffers
>    high enough to hold 7*512 bytes, otherwise results may not be as
>    expected...
> 8. Try connecting to a site supporting 'G'-protocol with command-line
>    option '-k 512' using the patched uucico.

  Further, if you connect to multiple sites, and all don't support 'G',
you'll need to modify your poll.bat. Here's a copy of mine. Site ddsw1
supports 'G'. I also run under Desqview and 4DOS.

@echo off
xu port:0:on
xu dtr:0:on
fout ats0=0s11=55h0m1  {I wrote FOUT to dump text to the port. Using}
fout ats0=0s11=55h0m1  {redirection would lock up the computer under DV.}
fout ats0=0s11=55h0m1
rem batch -l262144
if not '%1' == '' goto dopoll
if exist c:\spool\clout\*.cmd goto dopoll
if exist c:\spool\ddsw1\*.cmd goto dopoll
echo No reason to call!!
goto done
:dopoll
echo Waiting to make sure phone line cleared
caoff^caon   {this turns my cache off and on, to fully reset it}
delay 8
fout ats0=0s11=55hm1
echo Making the call
if not '%1' == '' goto specific
if exist c:\spool\clout\*.cmd uucico -s clout
if exist c:\spool\ddsw1\*.cmd uucicog -sddsw1 -k512
goto therest
:specific
if %1 == ddsw1 uucicog -o -s ddsw1 -k512
if %1 == clout uucico -o -s clout
:therest
if exist c:\spool\clout\*.x goto process
if exist c:\spool\ddsw1\*.x goto process
if exist c:\spool\rhps\*.x goto process
echo Nothing to process!!
goto done
:process
rem caoff^caon
rem call phnoff
rem echo Processing any incoming data
rem uuxqt
rem echo Batching any outgoing news
rem batch -l262144
:done

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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: extern progs, but waffle out of mem please.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:12:13 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

-> How can I get Waffle to drop out of memory completely, before I launch
-> the external program?


Use SHROOM, it captures the shell escape from a program, swaps the
shelling program to disk, leaving only about 4K of itself in memory,
then executes the actual shell.

It is available on HALCYON and many BBSs.



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From: jhm@hourglas.uucp (Jonathan Hulley-Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: .us domain ?
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:09:35 GMT
Organization: Informatix BBS System - Ridgewood, NJ, USA

What is involved in getting a .us domain ? Do they provide the MX
forwarder ? Thanks.

Jonathan

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From: gess@knex.via.mind.ORG (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: W command bug in Waffle 1.65 Mail
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:21:30 GMT
Reply-To: <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> (Gess Shankar)
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

This topic has come up before. But I don't know if there has been
any fixes or workarounds. I routinely get email messages of 100k+
in size. When attempting to write the email out with the 'w' command,
the resulting file goes beyond the original message and appends parts
of the next message from the mailbox.f file or other garbage. I have
to clean up after it everytime.

Has this been fixed? Or is there something else I am overlooking?

On another topic:
I have been trying to contact the author of Waffle via email, prior
to sending him some money. But have not heard either from darkside or
apple. Does a Dell really exist? Perhaps darkside is aptly named and is
really a black hole. ;-)

Needless to say, with injured ego, I am not sending any money..
Perhaps time to look for an OS/2 alternative. Any ideas? As it is,
I use only uucico, rnews, rmail. What can I use to answer calls?

GeSS
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:39:25 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel) writes:

> Hey, I never said you'd want to -- the question was, "can you do it?"
> 
> If we assume that there are n (0<n<10) sites that are prepared to accept
> all mail from Internet to .UUCP which is not otherwise handled (a BIG
> assumption, I know) this could, technically, be done.  Can we agree
> that it is theoretically possible to advertise inet->.uucp in the DNS?

I think so.

> I guess a technical reason why it would be a bad idea is that there are
> probably some Internet sites out there whose mailers are misconfigured
> enough to check MXes before handling local uucp traffic (not that they
> should be asking the DNS to resolve a *.UUCP name in the first place!).

There are indeed some Internet sites configured in just such a manner,
or, rather, there were just a few days ago.  Perhaps they've all been
paying attention and have fixed their mis-configurations?  One in
particular, at pa.dec.com.  I've been corresponding with a DEC person,
who was supposedly pursuing the problem, but I've not been watching to
see whether they've made any recent changes, so I don't know how they
stand.

For what it's worth, I've come across the same problem, mailer software
querying DNS on host.UUCP, on several "Internet" hosts.  If we accept
the statement (from more than one participant on these newsgroups) that
.UUCP is INVALID (typically shouted, as if that would make it somehow
more logical), the Internet hosts surely have no business in querying
DNS for that domain, yes?

We likely all agree on that one.  But, how do we make that information
common knowledge?

> 
> -- 
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RMAIL err code 8
From: mgallagh@enigma1.COM (Mike Gallagher)
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:54:55 EST
Organization: Enigma Research Global

Have gotten & been testing Waf 1.65, and keep getting an rmail: err code 8 msg.
Apparently, when rmail states it, it is trying to spawn and execute uux. 

Anyone know what code#8 is? Didn't find it in the docs. I am reasonably
certain I set everything up correctly, and there is enough memory to
spawn an external command. 630K in fact, since the few  things I load
up is LoadHigh'd.

Any info appreciated.

        -Mike
From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle/UUCICO questions
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:48:15 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

pat%patsbbs@frcs.alt.za writes:

> Lastly: I am running waffle as an "External Mailer" in Binkleyterm. Binkley
> amswers the phone, if the caller hits <escape> they will drop into the FidoNe
> BBS; if they enter 'waffle' instead of hitting escape they drop into waffle.
> This allows a user to UUCP into the system as well as handling the fidonet
> mail etc.  Is there anyone else out there running waffle in conjunction with
> a Fido BBS, and how have they overcome the problems?
                                             ^^^^^^^^
Hello Pat,

What "problems" are you referring to here?


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From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Update on Helldiver
Date: 25 Dec 92 12:13:49 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

Hi everyone!

I've been keeping a low profile on the net recently as I'm busy hacking
away on Helldiver and a number of other projects.  In light of the recent
discussions on Helldiver and the Helldiver Packet Format, I thought I'd
post an update.

First of all, thanks to all those who have been using Helldiver, sending
comments to me and generally praising me on my efforts.  Isn't there
anyone who despises Helldiver? :-)

On the beta-or-otherwise status of Helldiver: Version 1.07 wasn't intended
to be a beta, so I'll call it an official release.

For the future, I hope to have version 1.08 released by the end of January,
which adds a few requested features and fixes a few bugs.  After that, I'll
be re-writing much of Helldiver from scratch to make extensions to other
UUCP systems (e.g. UUPC and FSUUCP) much easier and incorporating changes
for handling LANs.  I also plan to add support for the Helldiver Packet
Format, and maybe QWK too if I get time.  It's also possible that a DOS
version of Helldiver will be available too, but since Helldiver is very
memory-hungry, this may be difficult.  I have no idea when this re-write
will be available, but hopefully within the first few months of 1993.

Due to some suggestions from Bill Fenner and Kevin Houle, the Helldiver
Packet Format has changed somewhat to make it more extensible.  If anyone
wants a copy of the updated spec, please contact me.  I'm putting together
a door for Waffle to generate the packets and a "quick hack" packet reader
(Helldiver will be the full-blown and supported packet reader in the future).
This should be available in the next week or so for beta-testing.  Kevin
is also using the format in his off-line reading project "Solar".  So, the
much-needed support should be forthcoming pretty soon.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:58:40 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:

> In article <?@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
> >  ... various stuff ...
> Private E-mail to him produces the "bounce" message:   
> ---
> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 255
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:44:49 -0500
> From: MAILER-DAEMON@mathcs.emory.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> uux failed. code -1
> 554 <dawson@willard.waffle.atl.ga.us>... unknown mailer error 255

So, what prompted you to try the old .waffle.atl.ga.us domain?  That
is being replaced with more congenial .alt.ga.us, and mail to the FQDN
willard.atl.ga.us should work, soon if not now.

>    ----- Unsent message follows -----
> From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
> Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
> 
> In article <e539VB6w165w@willard.UUCP> you write:
> >We likely all agree on that one.  But, how do we make that information
> >common knowledge?
> 
> Well, define UUCP as a valid-domain, 
> and put it into the top-level name-servers.
> Then, every query will return an **authoritative** "not found" result.
> A "smart" name-server will put the "not found" response into its cache,
> and will never bother the root name-server for a long time!

How will that help?  You'll still NOT deliver mail to valid sites.  If
you're going to suggest that .UUCP be made a valid Internet domain, then
there should be some mechanism worked out to allow DNS to route mail to
a site in the .UUCP domain.  No, DNS doesn't do that now.

Seems like we could munge something that would not break existing DNS/
SMTP software, but that would rather add functionality.  That those don't
do these things now is not really a point to be considered.  It's the
future of email we're scheming.  If we can manage to agree that the
Internet, and other networks, do indeed have a future, we might also come
to terms with the idea that some people are going to think it a neat idea
to be able to send mail from sites on one network to another in a
predictable fashion.

The Internet has, in the past, taken the easy way out on this one, only
attempting to define mail delivery to sites that are provably on the
Internet.  That, IMO, is rather short-sighted.  "Good enough," perhaps.
Not, I say.

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From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Anon FTP or UUCP.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 21:06:59 CST
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, Ok
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.96
X-Manually-entered-header: The answer is 42.  What was the question?

russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:

> vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:
> 
>> you can't, if you're on a DOS Waffle, but you can get it via mail.
>> see the .signature line below....
> 
> sez who?  (you can't ftp it, but you can anon uucp it)
> 
> with these lines in my waffle/system/systems file (v1.64)
>
[...]
> remote   Evening COM1 Direct 19200 g "" ATX4&D2 OK ATDT1,2062929048 CON
>   NECT "" login:--login: nuucp word: nuucp

For 1.65 I use
in my systems
remote  Evening g Hayes2400 TOremote 12062929048 nuucp  nuucp

in my scripts
TOremote  "" \r\d BBS.--BBS. \033 in:--in: \L word: \P
My toUnix would work but I save a few seconds by sending escape
after receiving BBS.

> (last line broken for clarity) - I also had to manually create the directory
> spool\remote since uucp.exe didn't do it for me.
> 
> I can get all sorts of waffle utilities without causing my mail feeder's
> disk to overflow and him to get ticked at me.

Except that it seems to take a while sometimes for stuff to make it from
halcyon.com to remote.
> 
> so, you'd enter a line like this:
> 
(I finally get to the main reason for this follow-up.)
> uucp remote!~/pub/waffle/news/helld107.zip helld107.zip

That should be remote!~/waffle/news/helld107.zip helld107.zip

If I'm wrong let us know Ralph or Vince.

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