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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Objects thrown at cyclists (and hugh@nezsdc)
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:47:34 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9208112136.AA24068@pepvax.pepperdine.edu>, kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu writes:
>>Subject: Objects thrown at cyclists (was Re: Redneck alert...)
> 
>>In article <1AUG199220045136@juliet.caltech.edu> georgek@juliet.caltech.edu 
>>(Komatsoulis, George A.) writes:
>>>Some yo-yo's hit me with an iceball thrown from a pickup truck as I was riding
>>>home from the lab one night last year (an odd sort of missile for LA I must
>>>say). This sort does seem to be native to the whole country, perhaps the whole
>>>world.
>>
>>No, just your country.
>>
>>-- 
>>Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
>>hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
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> 
> Really, Hugh! I can't believe this type of thing doesn't happen in your
> country, too. However, we can at least be sure objects thrown at cyclists
> in New Zealand will not be armed with or powered by nukes. ;^)

	Well,  I'd have to back up Hugh here.  After years of fast pack
cycling,  touring etc the worst a cyclist in New Zealand seems to have to put
up with is the odd honk.  I've NEVER heard of being a missile target or
similar.   In the mass events I've been in and 'charity rides' of 4000+ riders, 
a big deal is usually made locally about consideration from both parties.  The
Waikato may be different though - I've heard bad things about Wellington (and
every one knows Auckland is the pits).
	P.S. Nice comment on the Nukes!

	Jonathan Dodd
	University of Waikato

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From: bbooz@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (William Booz (Bill))
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA bike races
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fairfax)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:54:48 GMT

The velodrome is in Trexlertown, somewhere between Kutztown and
Allentown, PA.  don't have number or address, but land was
donated and it was built by Rodale of Rodale Press, the
publisher of Bicycling! magazine.  If you called their office,
you could certainly get more info.  Just look inside an issue
of the magazine for a number.
-- 
            _______________    __o        Bill Booz, Fairfax, VA
        _________________     -\<,       bbooz@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu
                        ......O/ O            Biking Is Fun!!
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bottom Bracket woes
Keywords: stuck BB
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:22:10 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: SFBAC

A skilled shop can machine flats on the ring and remove it with a 
wrench.  If you were planning on a paint job soon heating the BB
area might loosen it enough.

This is one more reason why the Phil Wood/Shimano-style sealed bottom
brackets are vastly superior to traditional bearings.  Yes, a special
tool is required, but it is cheap (unlike traditional bearing tools,
especially the fixed cup tool) and is able to apply enough force to 
remove even the most frozen BB.
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RI's Flattest Century Info Request
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:03:44 GMT

as requested, the address for the Narragansett Bay Wheelmen's
21st Annual "The Flattest Century in the East":

  NBW - T.F.C.E.
  PO Box 428
  Tiverton, RI 02878

hurry! it's limited to 1500 riders (i hear it fills up early),
and your registration MUST be postmarked by August 27th.

Janice"see ya there!"G

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From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: MTB news group
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:28:45 GMT

I am all for a mtb group...but PLEASE do NOT make
it alt.mtb!  This university (and others in 
Canada) has blocked access to ALL alt. groups
because some bigwig's wife found alt.sex and
alt.perverts.r.us and told hubby that students
shouldn't have access to this moral decay (seriously!)

In any case, many people would appreciate it if
a rec.mtb group could be created rather than an
alt.mtb., if it happens at all.

Great idea in any case!

Gianpaolo Panusa
jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: judiths@usisun.uucp (Judith Speck)
Subject: Mtn. Biking in Colorado
Originator: judiths@usisun
Organization: UNITECH Software, Inc., Reston, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:26:31 GMT




  I need some info about mountain biking trips near Boulder.  I've
decided on the spur of the moment to go to Colorado before the end
of the summer, so I don't have much time to coordinate a trip, and
am looking into organized trips.  My SO isn't into getting too close
to nature, so we'll want to stay in hotels and B&B's instead of 
camping. (bummer)  If any of you have info on good groups with 
reasonable rates, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  We'll be going
the third week of September.  I already know that Backroads' last 
trip is Aug 29., and that's road biking anyhow.

  If anyone has info on just winging it and making our own trip, let
me know too!



Thanks,
Judi

uunet!usisun!judiths
judiths@usisun.uucp
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:03:45 GMT

Eric Praetzel writes:

> From a cycling point of view:
>    - the rims will wear out (not really a problem in non-costal areas)
>    - no truing, more aero, and they look great
> What I can't figure out is why the tri-spokes are so expensive because they
> seem to have been made by injection molding.  Unless they are run off in
> very small lots they should be pretty cheap.

I think the rim wear problem has nothing to do with coastal areas but
rather with the weather and terrain in which the wheel is used.  Abrasive
slurry abounds in the rain and especially on unpaved surfaces.  Since
most people don't seem to descend substantial distances in the rain, they
experience insignificant rim wear.  Meanwhile in competition this occurs
often and wear is a consideration.

Way tri-spoke and other such rims are so expensive is that they are fiber
lay-ups that are hollow thin shells.  Injection molding is out of the
question because it would be enormously heavier.  Since truing is not an
option these wheels must be made to extreme manufacturing tolerances.

On that issue, I have mentioned this before.  The wire spoked wheel with
aluminum rim is not in imminent danger of being replaced by "modern
technology" because these materials are ideal and ideally stressed in the
current configuration.  THe spokes are stressed in tension and the rim
in compression, the ideal stress.  In that respect the rim is fairly
uniformly stressed near its yield stress throughout.  Since all these
other non wire spoke wheels are stressed in bending, they cannot be nearly
as light as a wire spoked wheel nor as strong.

Sometimes the current design is mature and further advances become minimal.
I think the spoked wheel is one of these designs.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 1
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 11:11:33 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Nijkerk-Veendam, 203.5 km.
 
1. Wilfried Nelissen, 5h 11' 51''
2. Veenstra
3. Raab
4. Koerts
5. Capiot
6. Baffi
7. Leoni
8. Moncassin
9. Akkermans
10. Lilholt
11. Nijdam            all same time
...
92. Lemond                    5''
 
Overall:
1. Nijdam       5h 18' 15''
2. Marie               10''
3. Maassen             14''
4. W. Nelissen         15''
5. Pieters             16''
6. Baffi               17''
7. Skibby              17''
8. So"rensen           18''
9. Raab                18''
10. Koerts             19''
 
Mass sprint finish in this first stage of the Tour of Holland.
A few breaks during this stage but nothing noteworthy.
In the mass sprint Wiebren Veenstra was conveniently placed
in Wilfried Nelissen's wheel, but he was not able to pass him.
The pack finished in two parts (at least as noticed by the
Dutch officials ;-) which gave Nijdam the opportunity to double
his lead over Thierry Marie. The Tour of Holland is usually
decided in seconds.
I have been asked to post a roster. Unfortunately, even in
The Netherlands the Tour of Holland is considered relatively
unimportant and it doesn't get that much media coverage. I haven't
seen a roster yet.
Some extra news: after the stage, Jean-Paul van Poppel announced
that he will be riding for Lotus-Festina next year. Of the 4 major
professional Dutch teams, only TVM is certain of continued sponsorship.
PDM's team manager Jan Gisbers is said to become manager of Lotus Festina,
but only if he can take a top rider with him. As Breukink is supposed
to go to ONCE, rumour now has it that he will take Theunisse.
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SARA                                     Internet:sond0091@vm1.sara.nl
Academic Computing Centre Amsterdam
The Netherlands
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: pros in olympics
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:38:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Aug13.183835.14019
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 As long as professionals are going to be allowed into olympics-- and
the olympics are now fully commercialized-- and the original ideals of
the aesthetic purity of amateur sport is dead-- I vote to allow
American Gladiators in as an exhibition event for 1996. Also, we might as
well let pro boxers get in and win some golds for usa, after all cuba has
what are basically professional professional amateur professionals.

 Also, maybe a little space for chess?? (Drug monitoring would be essential
of all participants) and violence should be kept to a minimum.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Vancouver and MTB suppliers
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo, Good Times Department.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:15:33 GMT


I will be in Vancouver in mid-October and am seriously considering
laying out some bucks for a good MTB.  I have to main requests from r.b.

You can email me direct and I will summarize if there seems to be interest.

1) Recommendations for good (quality and price) MTB stores in Van.

2) More generally, I would like to solicite comments on brands and
models.  This may appear to be "yet another open call for religious
fervor" but I have tried be as specific as possible.  I am hoping that
someone out there just did this and can summarize.

I am also open to answers/questions/criticism on any of the
requirements or components mentioned.

Frame:
 - Any material
 - Light.  I want to climb do things like Mt. Fuji where apparently
   you have to carry your bike a considerable amount.
 - Relatively traditional design, no rear suspension
 - Responsive (fairly tight angles?) (which angles matter the most?)
 - must have rear drop-out braze-on for panniers.
 - front suspension possible if light 

Components: (some may be add-ons)
 - DX, XT, XTR
 - RapidFire (I could be conviced otherwise)
 - Bar ends (no idea which are best, if it matters, what the
   differences are,...)
 - SPD pedals
 - Computer with altimeter.

Cost: Its only money (not absurdly expensive)

Use:

The only tangible goal I have is climbing (and descending 8-0 ) Mt. 
Fuji. (the 8-0 is the face of someone going at ridiculously fast
speeds having a riot of a time being barely in control while plumeting
down the side of a volcano) 

The rest of the time it will be used for for moderate amounts of trail
riding, some touring but mostly for what I call 'performance dense
urban cycling' (PeDUC for short).  This should not be underestimated.
I consider it to be pretty hazardous and demanding on a bike,
especially around here.  Replace rocks and logs with curbs, open
manholes and small animals (/people?)  as jumping obstacles.  Mud and
gravel with grease, oil and fresh tar as control obstacles.  Trees,
switchbacks, cliffs... with all manner of vehicles, things and people
moving (or not) in all directions simultaneously as just plain
obstacles.  And there you have PeDUC.  Oh yeah, go as fast as you
possibly can!

I am currently using my road bike which is great for out of the city
but downtown (I am surrounded by down town for 20km in all directions)
it is unsatisfactory in gearing, braking, and strength (wheels).  I
considered Hybrids but, well, they are not in my nature.

Basically, I want to be able to go anywhere, do anything and not worry
about my bike.  I have come to appreciate the value and worth of good
components on my road bikes and don't see why this should be any
different.

I really appreciate your time and responses.
--
atode, |m         -- "Wow, a whopping 80 meg!  Thanks Mike!"
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Adjustable nail-on shoeplates.
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:37:34 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <16ok86INNm6q@agate.berkeley.edu> ogus@crystal.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus) writes:
>Jobst made it clear in his post that clip pedals have their own
>tendancy to make you fall in a climbing stall; it's just 
>different than the situation that makes you fall with clipless pedals.
>
>My own experience bears this out.  I rode clip pedals (with Binda
>straps, very little give) for many years.  This spring my cleat broke,
>and I found it very hard to find a replacement that would fit my
>ancient Giusfreddi shoes, with nail-in cleats, but I finally did.  The
>new cleats were comfortable, but slightly deeper than th old ones.
>While I was going up a steep hill, my knee hit the shifter, and I
>found myself in a higher gear than I could pedal in.  The bike
>wouldn't shift back down, and I couldn't get my foot out in time.  I
>believe I was pedaling down with my exit foot, and couldn't reach the
>strap without leaning down too far, so over I went.  No damage done,
>but it happened.
>
>The real reason I switched to clipless pedals was the fact that one of
>the nailed-in cleats wasn't at the correct angle, and I started
>getting knee problems.

Tacx market a set of nail-on shoeplates which are also adjustable.
They comprise a set of steel plates which are nailed onto the sole
of the shoe as normal.  The plates carry a couple of sliding nuts
mounted in slots.  Plastic cleats are then bolted to the nuts in
the steel plates so you can get a considerable amount of
adjustment.  These shoeplates retail at just over four pounds per
pair over here.  This very roughly translates to $7.50

I've recently replaced a pair on the old shoes I use during the
winter.  I have yet to nail a pair onto a brand-new pair of Detto
Pietro shoes I still have in a box somewhere.  If Detto Pietro
shoes were good enough for Matt Eaton to use when winning the Milk
Race, they are good enough for me ...
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:32:29 GMT

I crashed, bad, fast, hard.  I was going around a good turn at just under
50 km/h when what I thought was a water patch was oil.  My bike flew out from
under me and the first thing to hit the ground was the top of my head.  My
helmet took it all. I basicly slid accross the road to the shoulder on the 
other side.  Two women who saw the accident, stopped to help.  Then another
guy stopped.  He flagged down a bus to call an ambulance.  Then some cyclists
stopped to seee what happened, quite a crowed gathered.  The guy that 
called the ambulance "Todd" (I think)made sure I didn't move to further
injure my self.  Then the POLICE  showed up.  Asked if I had been hit by
a car, to which I said "No".  They took my name, and gave me a blanket
to keep me warm.  Reassured me the ambulance was on it's way, and asked me
some question to make sure I was aware and alert.  They phoned my 
girlfriend to tell what had happened.  Todd asked me if I wanted my 
bike taken home.  He put it in the trunk of his car, and left( the 
police gave him directions how to get to my house.)
   The ambulance showed up and took me to the Hospital.  "Good thing you
had a helmet on", the parametic said as he picked the busted thing up off
of the road where I had taken it off.  My doctor was an avid cyclist,
and was quite glad also that I had a helmet on.  I went through x_rays,
and some minor knee surgery, and wheeled to recoverry.  Todd had taken
my bike home for me, met my girlfriend, and drove her to the Hospital
where I was.  As my girlfriend and I were talking , they wheeled in another
bike accident victim.  A woman, around 35 years old, wasn't wearing
a helmet when she crashed.  I could hear the nurse asking her questions:
Nurse:"Do you know what year it is?"
Woman:"Uhm..Oh..Oh dear, no"
N:"What is your name?"
W:"Uhm...ah...just a minute now..."

  I could also here the doctor describing her injuries, substancial
head injuries, loss of memory.  She didn't know how the accident happened.
The doctors were talking to the police,  the police said from the look of 
the accident scene, and the bike, she just hit the edge of the road where the
pavement meets the gravel, and fell.

That was two days ago.  I am on my feet again, though with a cane for now.
The other woman, well, the doctors said she would probably be in the
Hospital for a while.  Looking at my helmet when I got home, I could
only imagine what would have happened to my head...


Stacy Janes,	Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario =-)
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Canada and Sports Eats
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:52:56 GMT

Now that all the speculation is over, what was the reason for banning
imports of Power Bar and other US sports foods from Canada?  If Cytomax
and Power Bar do not conform to the regulation, what is it that does
not sit right with the Canadian Food & Drug people?  Let's hear it
from some Canadians.  ...and let's get specific.  Like the name of the
ingredient if that is the problem.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 1
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 15:21:27 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <1992Aug21.080818.23907@cs.hw.ac.uk>, sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart
Fleming) says:
>
>>   that he will be riding for Lotus-Festina next year. Of the 4 major
>>   professional Dutch teams, only TVM is certain of continued sponsorship.
>
>Was this before or after the sponsors found out that Cees Priem "forgot"
>to enter the team for the Grand Prix of the Americas on time ?
>
Ah, Stewart, my brother in posting results of unimportant-tours-that-
are-won-by-sprinters. This bit of news is indeed news for me.
The sponsors of TVM (father and son Bos, of insurance company TVM)
came across during the last TdF as boring obnoxious ignorant farts
for who every day without a TVM winner was a disaster.
But, Cees Priem seems to be very capable of working with people
he has some kind of trouble with. The cases of Johan Capiot and
Dimitri Konyshev are good examples. Somehow, trouble with these
riders doesn't turn them into sulking nose-pokers, but they
continue to win for the team. I wouldn't be surprised if Konyshev
would continue to ride for TVM next year even. Then again, I
wouldn't be surprised if he would ride for some Italian team either.
I thought he was pretty strong in the Tour, despite his 0 victories.
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SARA                                     Internet:sond0091@vm1.sara.nl
Academic Computing Centre Amsterdam
The Netherlands
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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: More Cateye Micro (CC-6000) Bashing--Some Observations and Solutions
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 10:28:00 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper):
>...
>Cleaning the contacts on the mounting seems to help somewhat.  While
>the pins on the actual unit do not appear to corrode, their
>corresponding contacts on the mounting bracket do corrode visibly.  I
>have tried my eyeglasses defogger (since it was handy), and ordinary
>rubbing alcohol, but presumably some sort of tuner cleaner should work
>well.

I have had the same experience on my Cateye vectra and my Mity I (not on
my micro). I use an electronic cleaning spray to clean the connectors.
This spray are designed to increase connections where corrosion may cause
bad connections. It help for some time. I guess Radio Shack got it.

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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:15:48 GMT

Tom Kunich writes:

> I found that I fell down (12! times) after getting my clipless pedals
> because my previous riding style was to roll up to a stop light and
> do a track stand until it changed. If I couldn't hold it it was easy
> to put a foot down. After getting the clipless I would stand on the
> very mechanism I needed to use to get out of the damned things.

I find that a basic difference between clips & straps and SPD pedals, for
for instance, is the mode of exit.  Regardless of intentions and practice,
there is a circumstance in which the clipless rider will most likely fall
where the clip & strap rider would not.  This is in a steep climb stall in
which the dismount must be made to the side that is on the upstroke.
This means the foot is pulling and cannot exit.  The clipped rider can
squirm out because the pull is in the direction of exit and a twist of the
foot will cause the, otherwise dreaded, pull-out.

The reason I say this is that I have done this often enough and have
watched others who are reasonably skilled riders do likewise.  Of course,
there are instances in which the fall is unavoidable regardless of pedal
system and these should not be incorrectly attributed.  If you watch
cyclocross you see even the best take spills.

I find that if the dismount side is on the downstroke, disengaging the
pedal in a steep stall is trivial and even easier than with clips because
the foot just slides sideways to the ground without a change in direction.
Since I ride my bike in all kinds of terrain, I encounter these things on
a regular basis.  I don't ride an MTB.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com