HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Summary: Defenses have a long way to go..
Keywords: Niners Bills
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:51:39 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

> And I take it waste o' flesh Cofer had nothing to do with the Final outcome!
> This was a great offensive game, but both Defenses have a long way to go. I
> completely disagree with your statement that the best team won. Buffalo dodged
O

I don't know about that, because I thought both teams played a good game.  When two offenses like that explode for a lot of yards, there's not much a defense   can do.  I mean, which such offensive threats such as Kelly, Thomas, Reed, Turner, Young, etc, which defense would do anything...

One thing I did notice is that Scott Norwood is still looking for a job.. maybe the one in SF?

<grin..>

Jason B.
From: hilz@cs.arizona.edu (Eric J. Hilz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vegas says Cowboys -2.5
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:18:47 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <5174@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>* Jerry Rice will make The Catch II against Dallas in this
>  years NFC title game *

Another possibility:  Michael Irvin will make Catch II, the Revenge,        
against the 49ers in this years NFC title game.

A 'Boys diehard,
Eric Hilz
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From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: Re: Current standings, week #2
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:26:48 GMT

In article <meskes.716549364@ulysses> meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes) writes:
>Here are the current standings after week #2. I hope Miami went 20-17. I ended
>listening to the radio with three minutes remaining on the clock.

You missed the most exciting part of the game!  Miami's Higgs fumbled the ball
on his own 30 or so, and the Browns ran it in for a touchdown to make it 
23-20.  The Browns kicker missed the EP, so Miami had 1:15 left to get the
ball down to at least field goal range, which is anywhere within the 40.
Well, the Browns only sent 3 pass rushers, which gave Marino all day long to
find an open receiver, which he did each time.  Higgs scored on a 1 yard
run with 7 seconds remaining for Miami to win 27-23 in a very exciting 4th
quarter.
     I think this Higgs guy is going to do pretty well.  On the fumble, it 
was a 3rd and short situation, and Higgs got the call.  He was stopped at the
line, but on a second and third effort was able to surge ahead for the first
down, where (Eric?) Turner walked up and just manhandled the ball away from
him.  I don't think any RB could have kept that ball!  Higgs was making 
second efforts all night and getting the yardage on 3rd downs.  He's only 
5'7", but 195 lbs!
     And the new guy Clark(?) looked good too.  But then Marino makes
everyone look good.  He was just amazing on the final drive, picking apart
the Browns D.  The Dophins defense looked pretty good, except for a couple
blown coverages which the hobbled, yet able, Kosar was able to exploit for
some points. 
     On to the Rams!

******************************************************
Scott C. Walker
walkersc@esvax.dnet.dupont.com

+++The few opinions I express are not the opinions of my employer.
"What's settled down?  Settled down is you get married and then you buy a
house.  You can get a wood house, a plaster house or a stucco house.  
Oh, how you can get stucco!"  - David Lee Roth, on Rockline, stolen
from Groucho Marx.
******************************************************
From: nelson@rrc.chevron.com (David A. Nelson,Chevron,(510)242-5241)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Player Status:  Kieth Jackson  (TE Philly)
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California



What is the latest on Jackson's holdout?


---
David Nelson
Chevron Research and Technology Company
Nelson@rrc.chevron.com

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From: pichocki@nbrwh34.bnr.ca (Stephen Pichocki)
Subject: 1992 NFL Schedule - Please Post
Organization: Northern Telecom, Bramalea, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:37:36 GMT

Could someone please post or email me the schedule for this season.

Regards,

Stephen Pichocki
Northern Telecom
Customer Service Marketing
Software Services
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Steelers win at Houston!
Organization: Clark University
Date: 7 SEP 92 15:29:45 GMT


In a previous article, ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle) wrote:
> 
>Woodson wasn't the only one to pick off 2 but i can't remember the
>other guys name :(

From what I saw in the highlights that might be Griffin, who I think was
playing safety. I heard he had a good game.

>The Steelers pretty much dominated the clock.

Goodbye Walton, hello Erhardt!

>The linebackers due to the run and shoot had to buy tickets and just 
>watched from the sidelines :)

Did Pitt. at least leave the OLBs in? They could have gotten some pressure on 
Moon from them. Teams like Atlanta and the Jets do well against Houston since
they take a "what the hell" approach and send everyone after Moon.

>Overall, the Oilers could have won it (Moon did have somewhat of an off
>day) but the Steelers gave them a few TD's ( the first two definitely) so the 
>Oilers shouldn't have been able to win it.  I was really impressed with how 
>the team played considering how long they've had the system.   I now have
>a BIG hope for the rest season....of course I always have :)

Well, on paper this game figured to be their toughest of the season (except
for MAYBE their game at Buffalo), so this is definitely a shot in the arm!

-				|   "A guy with a hard-on is not
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    my idea of art."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- John Mellencamp
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From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings wk2 STATS
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:33:43 CDT

In article <1992Sep15.184812.29364@news.iastate.edu>, jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep14.162229.4395@walter.cray.com> jason@cray.com (Jason Parker) writes:
> >TEAM
> >Minnesota Vikings (1-1)
> >
> >GAME SUMMARY
> >
> >          Minnesota  Detroit*
> >Rushing   26-95      29-73
> >Pass Att  20-36-3    10-15-1
> >Pass Yds  175        96
> >Fum Lost  1          0
> >Poss      31:49      28:11
> >Pts       17         31
> 
> Ouch. Looks like the Vikes played great defense, and the offense wasn't too
> bad, as they outgained the Lions. But....those turnovers really hurt.
> 
> Was Gannon throwing poorly, or was the offensive line not giving him
> adequate time to pass?
> 
> -- 
> Joe Huber 
> (jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
> Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
> Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
> 

I did not see much of the game.  Someone else who did may want to comment.
But from what I did see is that Gannon is having some trouble with his
touch, I saw a few lobbed screen passes just out of the reach of receivers
in the last two games.  Also the Vikings have a fairly new offence after
several years of, shall I say, over conservatism.   It may take a few games
yet for everyone to begin to jell.  The Vikings have a good offensive line,
but I'm not sure what the answer to your question is for the last game.

Turnovers always hurt.  Late in the first half, Vikings are kicking a field
goal to make it 7-6, but it's blocked and now it's 14-3.  That was the
kind of things that happened in this game.

In the paper the Vikings remained upbeat, and everyone was focusing on
what they could do to improve rather than fingerpoint.  For instance
on Terry Allen's fumble that was a dubious official's call, he said (roughly)
"I should hang on the ball whether I am down or not, and not give the
official a chance to make a bad call."

This kind of attitude makes me feel good about the Viking's coaching and
outlook for the year.  I seem to feel that there might be a real dog fight
for the division between Det, Chi, and the Vikes.  Who knows?  Maybe even
Tampa will hold on longer than people give credit.  Floyd Peters is a
proven defensive motivator, and he has a full year under his belt now with
the team.  Perhaps Tampa's defence can breathe new life into Wyche's
offence by giving them more time to take risks.

Jason Parker
jason@cray.com
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From: jwest@wisc (Jeff West)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:37:55 CDT

steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
: In <1992Sep14.051623.25209@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
: 
: >In article <d9xndga.mzimmers@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
: >  [deleted]
: [snip]
: 
: >>3. Montana makes that last drive work.
: 
: >    Bono would do the job too.  At least not be intecpected in critical
: >    moments.
: 
I truely believe now that SF fans are spoiled rotten.  Your QB throws
for 449 yards, runs for 50, and brings them back time after time and
you still wail on him!???
What about the sieve defense and a kicker that has more than proved
his worth (to the opposing team) over and over?
If this is all Young's fault I know of about 20 other teams that would
love to use him as a scapegoat!

Jeff "tired of the whining" West

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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: how many ex-Vikes still active from the Walker trade????
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:56:34 GMT

heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>In article <21857@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, hilz@cs.arizona.edu (Eric J. Hilz) writes...

>>In article <1992Sep9.015105.17431@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>> 
>>>Oh, and how many of the draft-picks that Dallas got have been used
>>>up, and for whom?
>> 
>>The players I know of that were picked using Minnesota's picks in some
>>way were Emmitt Smith (1990), Russell Maryland (1991), and Kevin Smith
>>(1992).

><<Shudder>>.  The Vikes are still a very talented team (compared to 
>the Packers at least).  With these guys they'd be very scary.

>JGH

AAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE!, please don't remind
me of that you vicious Packer fan you.  And we HAD to help out that team
from Dallas.  You would think that another team, much more deserving of
Minnesota's charity, could have been found to be helped by the "Mike Lynn
plan".  This is hard to say because it acknowledges the Dallas organization
:) ...but - at least I would feel better if some team that didn't have a 
clue on draft day had gotten the picks.

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #2 (REPOST)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:09:28 GMT


Week 2
------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 10 am PST (5 pm GMT) on Sunday, Sep 13.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
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[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] Washington       
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] New Orleans      
[  ] [ ] Dallas			[ ] NY Giants         
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] Tampa Bay      
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Detroit        
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] Cincinnati    
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] Kansas City      
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] San Francisco    
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Indianapolis     
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Pittsburgh       
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] LA Rams      
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] Denver         
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Phoenix     
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From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NOT FAIR!
Keywords: cowboys,redskins
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:22:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ORGANIZATION!! HERE? You must be kidding

NOT FAIR!  After the Cowboys/Redskins game, I went straight to the
redskins newsgroup to gloat, but our news server dumps all redskins
news 2 hours after it comes in!  What's the fun in watching them
get beaten if I don't have anybody to gloat at?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com (Jay Lawlor ~)
Subject: Re: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Reply-To: jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Organization: Intel Portland Technology Development
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:26:58 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:52:13 GMT, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) said:

Bryan> In article <1992Sep13.221746.18095@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>Young to John Taylor, 54 yd TD reception.  Taylor breaks
>Jones tackle!! Awesome running!  Conversion good!

Bryan>  
Bryan> When I saw this touchdown the first thing I thought was, "that
Bryan> was no touchdown, he fumbled that ball across the endzone."

That's what I thought too.  And the announcers never said a word.
Strange.  Which reminds me of another play during the game.

On one of many long pass completions for Kelly (he WAS hot!) in
the 3rd or 4th quarter there seemed to be a very blatant hold on the
part of the Bills.  It was replayed a couple times because it was the
play where Dana Hall got hurt when he hit the receiver after the
catch.  Anyway, the rusher got around his man and probably would
have hit Kelly but the blocker grabbed him from behind and held him.
It looked like he wrapped around the guys neck or something.

Now I'm not complaining about the ref missing it because a lot of
holding goes on on both teams in every game.  It's just that I thought
it strange when the announcers never mentioned it even though it was
replayed about three times.  Usually they'll say "Oh boy, so and so
got away with a good one that time" or something.  But then again,
maybe it was a legal block and I was just seeing things.

Anyone else notice it?
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From: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A VIKING WOOFER!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 02:20:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) says:

>In article <20222@plains.NoDak.edu> herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes:
>
>>            MINNESOTA VIKINGS ARE A MAJOR THREAT!
>
>
>>After the beating of the Green Bay Packers last Sunday the
>>secret is out in the open.  THE VIKES ARE FOR REAL.  I am
>>sure that the folks in Detroit are concerned about the game
>>next Sunday.  Let me tell you---don't worry----the Vikes will
>>probably whack the heck out of the Lions.  This year the
>>Minnesota Vikings will be whacking most if not all the teams
>>they meet.
>
>I'm sure everyone is worried.  Any team good enough to beat Green Bay
>in overtime is a sure Super Bowl contender.

Yes, but Green Bay has always been a problem for the Vikes, especially
in Green Bay.  It's an important first step for a team trying to
stay alive after the Walker trade.  


  Why play the rest of the
>season?  Let's just declare the Vikes this year's Super Bowl champs.

Actually, two things (at least) will keep the Vikings out of the
Super Bowl.  First, they have the same problem which kept them out of
it when they were a better team (about 4 years ago).  That is, they
don't have a really good quarterback.  Mediocre quarterbacks just
don't cut it.  Second, the have a pretty tough schedule.  In addition
to Detroit and Chicago twice, they have Washington, Houston, Philadelphia,
and San Francisco.  

-- 
Michael
From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas/Skins Wrapup + *icednotes*
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:16:11 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  Get real, Paul!  The 49ers don't have to play in the tough NFC East
  year after year.  Now that the Saints and Falcons have turned into
  contenders, we'll see if the injury-riddled 49ers can survive
  out west.
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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:58:30 GMT

>Well some of us do read the net more than once a day.  And those of us
>who have to work on Sundays appreciate the very timely updates.  

Gee.  Sounds like you're working really hard...reading news.  Have
you every heard of a radio?  This group is swamped already.  The
last thing we need is breathless updates for a handful of people.

				me
From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep09.140343.301@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>
>    The one quote that cracked me up was made by FGifford.  Referring to
>Emmitt's goal of a 2000yd season, he said that a goal of 125 yards per
>CARRY was not unrealistic.  Reality, what a concept!  :)


I caught this flaw as well!  I agree with the original poster on this
subject.  The game would have been much better with the volume down.  I
will have to take that advice next week.

-tr
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From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Subject: Denver game question
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:27:03 GMT

   My stations didn't cover the Denver game.  The scores I saw showed
   Denver ahead by 7 for a long time and then it was 10/7 San Diego.

   Someone tell me, what happened?
      Dan
From: maurit@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Mark Aurit <maurit>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:38:28 GMT
Reply-To: maurit@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Mark Aurit)
Organization: Northrop Research & Technology Center, Palos Verdes, CA

In article <1992Sep8.191412.5477@hal.com> ables@hal.com (King Ables) writes:
>> In a game that showed that instant replay should still be used in the NFL
>
>No, it showed that the NFL should hire better officials.
>I'm just glad it didn't make any difference.


Yeah, its good that it didnt make a difference, but I dont think you
can fault an offical. We see it various times from various angles
in slo-mo.
The official sees it one time in real time, and as I remember the
guy rolled over on the ball. 
I dont know where you think the NFL will find better officials.

Just my $0.02

Mark
From: stephen.dawson@canrem.com (stephen dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: bills on week 2
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

"It is better to be lucky than good." Emanual Lasker.

But, today the Bills were both!

They must learn how to D the crossing patterns, but the offense
looked awesome!

On to the Superbowl!

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Niner - Bills (3rd QTR Update)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:17:46 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

2nd HALF
Start of 3rd QTR:  Niners kick off to Bills....

Two high octane offenses. Result:

Kelly to Peter Metzelaars (tigh end), 53 yd TD reception

SCORE:
Niners: 24
Bills:  20

DAMN! Bruce Smith forces fumble, Keith Henderson RB,
they recover on their 42.

Another TD: Kelly to Metzelaars in End Zone (wide open)
the receivers are wide open on both teams, too much zone
defense.  Metzelarrs, 3 receptions, 97 yds, 2 TDs.

SCORE:
Niners: 24
Bills:  27

Yikes, Jaime Williams fumbles...reprieve, Bills fumble.
Niners ball.!!!!!

Hansen sacks Young for a 10 yd loss, 2nd and 22.

Young to John Taylor, 54 yd TD reception.  Taylor breaks
Jones tackle!! Awesome running!  Conversion good!

3rd Quater SCORE:
Niners: 31
Bills:  27
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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