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From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:37:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
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In a previous article, uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) says:

>I dunno.  I don't think the drum part for The Big Money is all that hard
>either.  It's pretty creative, but not difficult.  I think the older stuff
>is generally better......Hemispheres, La Villa Strangiato, Natural Science,
>etc.

   Well, I thought that was one of the reasons Neil is considered to be
so awesome--the fact that his drumming is so creative.  Most of Neil's
stuff can be played reasonably well by the average drum student (assuming
that they have enough hardware...), but how much of it would the average
drum student have thought of on his own?
   As a below-average drum student but a veteran of many years of musical
training, it seems to me that Neil's strength is in his creativity, not
the fact that he can pull off impossible drum stunts.  The bits where it
sounds like Neil is keeping four different rhythms at once are impressive,
but it's his use of the drums as a fully textured, versatile instrument
that keeps me listening.

		-EMeyer

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From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:10:49 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> 2) How do you explain Geddy's current, Hair parted in the middle, lennon-specs
> black vest and levi's-I-look-like-a-member-of-The-Grapes-of-Wrath-or-some-other-young-quasi-altern-canadian-band-look!
> Rush has become too fashion-conscious of late, if you ask me, that's why I tuned out Presto and RTB.
> 
> Chris in Montreal

	I always wondered if Geddy's dramatic fashion "increase" in the 
mid-80s was due to his marriage to a top Canadian fashion designer.

Thomas Beaudoin
From: pompf00@DMI.USherb.CA (FRANCOIS POMPEO)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Strange Morse Code!
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:32:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique



	Hello Rush Fans (although some being strangely stupid)!

Last October I attended the Roll The Bones concert in Montreal and
bought the tour booklet. Read it and appreciated it. 

BUT... on the bottom of page 2 (the inside of the cover page) there is
a line of small bones and skulls which resembled morse code.
I decoded it and it was morse code. The sentence was about death and it
being present or something (I don't specifically remember the sentence).

It was very strange! Does anybody have the booklet and if so, what was
that sentence again? What could it mean? Would Rush be approaching
its death? Is Neil, Geddy, or Alex dead with all of us fans living in
ignorance?

About that booklet, the texts (from Neil of course) and pictures are
excellent and funny. If you havn't seen the booklet try to get a hand
on it!


Also... The booklet from the Hold your Fire tour contains a central
picture with the guy juggling with the 3 balls of fire. That picture
apparently contains symbols from every single album prior to Hold your
Fire... ie : the exterior clock on the right page shows the time being
9:12 PM (the clock is analog) 9:12 is in international time  21:12 ouhhh!
the Fire hydrant (signals), the TV set inside the house (the same as Power Windows) etc. etc.

And don't you think the last two tours  (Presto and RTB) were a little too
similar. Seems to me like they don't feel creative!

I still love all their music! But... Rupert has a little too much influence!

Keep Rushing.
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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Ozzy:last show, acronyms
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:35:10 GMT

In article <16870C7DF.SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu> SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu (JIM BABCOCK) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.025019.13149@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
>bnalexander@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> 
>>what's up.  Two things, pleeze... Can anyone tell me what N.I.B. and S.A.T.O.
>>
>>Take care,
>>Brian
>>bnalexander@miavx1
>>
> 
>N.I.B. is Nativity in Black, I don,t recall what S.A.T.O. is
> 
>                                 Jimbus
> 

           S.A.T.O. -- Sail Across the Ocean

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Schweers                         jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu
                                      Aggieland, Texas
"Technology high, on the leading edge of life."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
From: perrault@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:37:48 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

   I find the song Bravado to be the perfect example of making a
song "musical."  Neil's drumming on this song fits in very well
with the melody.  I just adore the hi-hat pattern, in with the basic
"four on the floor" snare and bass pattern.  What I love the most on
this tune is the pattern in which Neil uses his floor tom to the left
(under the hi-hat) and then going to the 15" floor mounted tom on the
right.  
 - Then, on the last few bars or so, Neil starts this pattern, with 
little fills on the snare and keeping the right doing off beat ride cymbal
hits... A true Neil Peart creation.

The concert version of the song was really awesome, 'cause near the end of
the tune, they extended the parameters a bit, doing almost a instrumental 
of the song .

I also love Where's My Thing?.... You know, the round house fills, that
5/4 measure with the extra snare beat, that double bass fill...The list
goes on....

Heresy has a very challenging beginning, with the African-influenced
drum patterns. IMO, this is one of the most difficult beats to play!!

Happy drumming
Dave
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:34:28 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <16876150C2.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:

>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.

>--Ethan

That's the strongest connection I could ever come up with. It _is_
a pretty weak connection, but then again the connection between the
titles is relatively weak too, right? I mean, if anything there is
a _contrast_ between the two: analog/digital, kid/man. Right?


Gregg

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson)
Subject: Rush...
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:13:06 GMT
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I must agree with one of the previous posters.  All you guys do is sit 
around and discuss who is the bigger fan....

This is so pathetic..Whu dont you guys get a life?

There are no guidelines as to what a true fan is.  I have liked Rush for
about 10 years and I am sure many of you were fans before that, but
it makes no difference.  We all like the group that is what matters.
Why dont we stop arguing silly points and start discussing what we like
so much about the group.

The first thing that I usually notice about a great rush song is the 
power/passion in geddys voice...
--
Michael Director                         "All the world's indeed a stage and
588 Madison Ave.                          we are merely players, performers 
Albany, N.Y 12208                         and portrayers, each another's 
                                          audience outside the gilded cage.."
                                                  --Neil Peart
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Piano in Rush songs?
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:42:13 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1687291A8.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:

>What Rush songs use piano--real honest-to-God ebony and ivory--and who plays
>it? On PeW "The Spirit of Radio" and "Different Strings". Hugh Syme gets
>credit for "Different Strings", but not "SOR".

There is very nice _real_ piano on ``Available Light.'' I believe the
recording engineer played it, but I may very well be wrong.

>Are there any thoughts on why there's so little piano in Rush's music? Maybe
>because of their humble club-playing origins?

I'd say because of their beginnings as a _hard_ rock trio. I don't
think Van Halen, for example, has every had a _real honest-to-goodness_
piano in his music ( and yes (to any doubters) Eddy can play piano!)

>--Ethan
>    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."

This .sig always cracks me up! Lucky you...


Gregg

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From: wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:00:52 -0500
Summary: Spam
Reply-To: wipperma9340
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep26.064407.2910@cc.umontreal.ca>, tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
> RE: True fans
> 
> Guys,
> 
> being a true fan of RUSH or any band also means being critical.
> If Rush does something that sucks, then face up to it:
> it sucks!  Unconditional acceptance of all that they do
> is the mark of obsession and immaturity, not fandom.
> 
> Let's face it, everybody makes mistakes, everybody is
> human, even the guys in Rush.  I'm pretty sure that
> any musician appreciates an honest critical appraisal of
> his or her work rather than unconditional acceptance.
> 
> Chris in Montreal

Excellent!  There are some Rush songs that I don't like, and I'm just as much
(if not more so) of a fan than that Jaeger guy.  (Note Gregg, I'm poking fun at
you for humor and not to impinge you or your beliefs.  I you decide to get
angry about it, sorry, but there's not much I can do)

Yours etc,

The Analog Kid
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From: hellfire@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Brian Young)
Subject: Re: Rush & Primus
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:30:28 GMT

GEN4073@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (STEPHEN BECKETT) writes:


>Did anyone see Rush on tour when they had Primus opening up for them?  That's
>one concert I'd pay dearly too see.  (Primus being one of my favorite bands). 
>Right there, in one gig, you have two of the world's best bassists.
>(Les Claypool and Geddy Lee).  

Yup, saw them in Chapel Hell, NC.  Absolutely incredible!  Unfortunately, I 
had never heard Frizzle Fry (I have now, to an extreme!) and a lot of the 
songs (Mr. Knowitall, Harold of the Rocks (was this played? March 7 was a 
LONG time ago!), etc) came from that album and Suck on This.  Now, if only
Flea from the Peppers had been there (Fruit of the Looms and all!) you would
have had an incredible meeting of bassic minds!

><--SHADOWHAWK-->
>"Come with us, we'll sail the Seas Of Cheese..."


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From: leaver@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Leaver)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:47:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: leaver@acis.comlab

In article <djd.717690063@reading>, djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:
>
> ... "If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice" 
>
> ... [this] doesn't even SCAN!!!
>

Doesn't even scan? That never stopped Freddie `I can get a 1,000 word
short story into four bars' Mercury (God rest his soul) :-).

Seriously though, you can sing something that doesn't scan and still make
it sound fine. Should lyrics be constrained by scansion, anyway?

>-dave
>
>-- 
>djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csug
>djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csg
>davidd@integ.uucp

Andrew
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From: colinm@prince.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:09:26 GMT

(stuff about rush twanging deleted)

In <97501@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In>Compared to many bands Rush has always been somewhat tied to their
>instruments on stage, right? Most of their motions have been determined 
>so that they have time to get back to synths and triggers and effects
>etc. at the proper moment. Looking at the ESL video (1981) one
>sees maybe even less motion than on ASOH -- the move to wireless
>was designed to give them more freedom, and it seems to have worked
>to some extent. I think they even put conscious effort at being
>more wild on stage after ESL because of criticisms just like those
>above. 

>On the other hand it's true that they seem a little bored on some
>of the `oldies.' I'd love it if they'd start played 3/4 of the
>latest album each tour instead to playing things they've played
>a trillion times...


  I saw Rush on the "All The World's A Stage Tour" and all I can 
say is too bad doodz.

  The interaction between Alex and Geddy was terrific.  They would
get together and "fight" with their guitar necks often and also
share microphones.  Definitely a good show!!!
-- 
Colin McFadyen -- Carleton U. Computing and Communications Services
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1S 5B6                  
colinm@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:43:52 EDT
From: <MLS154@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 <1992Oct2.013124.3753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 <92278.143656MLS154@psuvm.psu.edu> <97556@bu.edu>

Yeah, I read the article in the Backstage Club too..  I dont think that
didacts is an anagram.  Didact is a word, there is no reason for it to be
an anagram while narpet isnt..  and the fact that it spells npeart is
merely a coincidence in my mind.  Maybe he realized it was an anagram and
kept it because it was cool or whatever..  Neil isnt an intellectual titan,
but he writes damn good lyrics..
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:35:11 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

According to Geddy Lee, the lyrics on the liner notes are correct.


Chris Tsirbas
From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:44:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
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In a previous article, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) says, in part:

>	2) No "rush fan" seems to be able to endure that section of RTB, so
>	They haven't pandered to their following either.

   Well, I can endure the rap.  In fact, I rather like it.  Now, whether I
qualify as a "rush fan" remains to be seen, but I have all of their albums
(working on the Compleat CD Collection) and have seen the last three tours.
I don't accept everything the band has done as the gospel, either.  (I can't
stand a few of their songs, actually.)  Do I qualify?  (Can I join the club?
Huh?  Can I?  Pleeeeeeze?)
 

>	My feelings on these 3 minute songs are this.  Neil said that they 
>didn't feel the need to write monster songs such as 2112 too express themselves
>now, which is  true.

   One of the things which continues to blow me away about Rush is the
increasing 'density' of their lyrics.  Think about it.  Some of their more
recent songs have said more in three minutes than was said in all of '2112'.
It takes a lot of work and talent to write like Neil does.  It's one of the
reasons I admire him so much.

		-EMeyer

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From: mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller)
Subject: Staleness Be GONE
Reply-To: mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:08:28 GMT

In response to some of the comments on Rush' recent playing, I would just
like to say:

Their progression from the Presto Tour to the RTB tour has been one for
the better. I for one was a little disappointed with a slightly lack-luster
performance here at the Capital Center, but happier with the one @ the
Balti. Arena for presto, than on RTB, they just seemed much happier
and energetic and joking around. Also, Geddy said in an interview that
they were going to allow some freedom in their songs off the new album
{RTB} so they could jam a little, and they did. I thought that was sooo
cool when they did Where's My Thing in the beginning with that several
minute jam intro, as well as the extened solos for Dreamline and Ghost
of a Chance. I think the excitement is back (not to sound like a Chevy
commercial or anything!!)

Later..
Chris

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:12:50 GMT

In article <25SEP199223002276@rosie.uh.edu> inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (92F02544) writes:
>
>Being a relatively new Rush fan (since about 1986), I grew to love Rush's
>music in reverse chronological order.  I started with their newer albums
>and slowly moved backwards.  During this time, I developed a strong
>opinion that their older music was more technically demanding with more
>original lyrics.  Don't misunderstand, there are many later albums/songs
>that I love just as much, but there are also some songs that bother me.
>
>The first time I heard the song "Roll the Bones", I cried.  I just don't
>understand the justification for putting a 'rap' in the song.  I think
>it would be safe to assume that they wouldn't have even considered 
>placing it there unless it was such a popular genre among youth today.
>But who do they think they're attracting?  The die-hard Rush fans aren't
>to crazy about it (including me and other fans I've spoken to) and rap
>fans would laugh at it -- it is a pretty poor rap.  Does anyone really
>enjoy the rap section in the song?  Do you listen to the song just to 
>hear the rap?
>					Bob Abraham
>					INDE7LO@JETSON.UH.EDU

	Hi, don't consider this a flame, I don't agree w/ you, but respect
the opinions....  

	Now that all the legal matters are out of the way:  I really enjoy
the fact that Rush DID do the rap.  And you are right, it is horrible rap. 
Really bad, but they went out on a limb.  They didn't do it for $$$, and here
is my reasoning:

	1) No rap fan can take it seriously (three white 40 year olds from
	North of the Border rapping, yeah, right).  The actual rap is nothing
	more than an attempt at something, to stretch themselves musically.

	2) No "rush fan" seems to be able to endure that section of RTB, so
	They haven't pandered to their following either. 

	My feelings on these 3 minute songs are this.  Neil said that they 
didn't feel the need to write monster songs such as 2112 too express themselves
now, which is  true.  Let them grow, they have experienced a lot of life in
the past few years, so they don't have to draw from the same old subjects 
Randian philosophy et. al.  They have interesting songs about topics that we
all feel, take Ghost of a Chance, it is really a song about love, but a song 
about fate and love...  Most people wouldn't write a song like that, but Rush
did, made it work, and had a little succces (top 40) with it, who knows maybe
the general public actually has gathered some taste.


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From: sgi50692@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SHREDDER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:16:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <Bv9F5F.Htr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>
>>The first time I heard the song "Roll the Bones", I cried.  I just don't
>>understand the justification for putting a 'rap' in the song.  I think
>>it would be safe to assume that they wouldn't have even considered 
>>placing it there unless it was such a popular genre among youth today.
>>But who do they think they're attracting?  The die-hard Rush fans aren't
>>to crazy about it (including me and other fans I've spoken to) and rap
>>fans would laugh at it -- it is a pretty poor rap.  Does anyone really
>>enjoy the rap section in the song?  Do you listen to the song just to 
>>hear the rap?
>>					Bob Abraham
>>					INDE7LO@JETSON.UH.EDU
>
>[STUFF DELETED]

>	2) No "rush fan" seems to be able to endure that section of RTB, so

>	They haven't pandered to their following either. 


       WELL, Can I make a comment on this? I'mwhat you would call a
       "die-hard Rush Fan" - interpret thaw3t however you may like.
       The fact of the matter is that I LOVE Rush - all the old stuff,
       all the middle , and MOST of the new (yes, I'm also a discriminating
       Rush fan).  The point is that I actually *like* the RTB "rap"
       <flame retardant....activated:>  It's nothing bad, just very
       different.  It adds a bit of spice and "perk" (is that a word?)
       to the song.  Admittedly, I don't like several of their later
       songs, but out of their more recent work, RTB is definitely
       a song with its own character -- not just another generic
       assembly line song... and that is what has always made
       Rush stand out from the crowd (IMHO)
       So, if you dont like it, then don't listen to it, but you also
       have to accept the fact that it is another "trademark" of
       Rush....

	   -Shrid
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From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Misprints
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:44:11 EDT

In article <djd.717690063@reading>
djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:
>Regarding the 'The Spirit of Radio' misprints, I have a copy of PermW where
>the lyrics to Freewill appear to be incorrect. I am sure Geddy sings
>	"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
>This is printed as
>	"If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice"
>
>It's true, I swear :-) Doesn't even SCAN!!!
 
>-dave
 
My copy, CD with headline blanked out, says the same thing.
 
Could this have something to do with the incorrectness of the lyrics available
from syrinx ftp? Those have a more serious mistake, IMO, but still, whoever
transcribed them could have been confused by the liner, etc.
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."