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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: FACE magazine
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:32:53 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1dq2mlINNs39@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>gak!  who was it that dared to put that thing on the cover?  Who dares call 
>her a model???  As I felt the bile rise in my throat, I walked away forlorn
>from the newsstand, understanding why we remain forever slaves to the
>American conciousness.

Very Asian-American

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater')
Subject: what is a rish asian ?
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:55:49 GMT

I have nothing against irish-asians.

But then again, I'm not sure mixing irish tendancy for short temper with
korean tendancy to be over emotional  is such a good idea.

c(-8*

- jon

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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Justice for Luyen Phan Nguyen
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.175244.24155@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
>   (From Asian Week, Oct. 30, 1992, Vol. 14, No. 11, p. 1)
>
>   Guilty Verdict In Florida Killing
>   ---------------------------------
>   
>   FORT LAUDERDALE (FL) -- A jury of six men and two women convicted
>   18-year-old Bradley Mills of second-degree murder in the killing
>   of Luyen Phan Nguyen, who was beaten to death in August following
>   racial slurs.
>
>[...]   
>
>   The Asian Law Caucus called the decision a "victory for the Asian
>   and Pacific Islander community", but cautioned that the case is
>   far from over.

Correct.  Justice has *not* been served--at least, not yet.

>[...]   
>
>   "The Vietnamese American community is truly grateful that the
>   justice system worked," said Ngoan Le, vice president of the
>   National Congress of Vietnamese in America. "As newcomers to this
>   country, this verdict has affirmed our belief in the
>   Constitutional and democratic principles of this nation."
 
Call me a cynic, but the Vincent Chin case proved that getting a conviction,
while satisfying, is *not* the end-all and be-all to a trial.  I'll be
interested in seeing what kind of a sentence Mr. Mills receives.  If it's
probation or the ol' "jail time commuted to probation," then justice has
*NOT*, and I repeat, *NOT* been served.

Getting the conviction was good.  But it's far from the whole thing.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:46:58 GMT

In article <BxKqLJ.Ivv@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) went on about...
>First of all I must ask you again to not use any names here..
>I prefer to be called "NW" or simply "dtwei"

Your name appears with your post.  If you do not want this, change your name
on your system.  If you make comments which are attached to your name, expect
people to refer to you by that name.

>As for my comments, I did not _attack_ anybody, I only stated some
>facts concerning a few important issues. No where in my original post
>did I say anything of the sort "all [ethnic group] are assholes/whatever"
>You sir, on the other hand, directly attacked the Chinese culture with
>groundless insults

As I recall, you made several derogatory comments.  One stated that Blacks
must rely on quotas to get ahead.  If this was not the gist of your message,
I suggest you clarify.

>>There's another case.  It involves China Airlines.  Acoording to ABC
>>News and Reuter's news service, this airline (which is run by Chinese-cu
>>folks) has at least 2 requirements that applicants for the position
>>of flight attendant must meet.  They are
>>
>>   (1)  The applicants must be virgins.
>
>I agree with this rule, but it's probably false
>BTW, what does this have to do with racism??
>If you think THIS is discrimination, don't you think the Admissions Offices
>at universities are discriminating against stupid people!?!?

The Admissions Offices of colleges attempt to make a determination of 
learning potential.  This is a measure of ability.  Please explain to
me what the purpose of requirement #1 is.

>What's wrong with the first rule you immoral pig? What happened to the
>family values?? (another weakpoint of the American culture) :)

The problems is that the requirement has nothing to do with one's ability to 
perform the functions of the job.  Opinions concerning one's morality in
such matters are highly irrelevant.

Yasmin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yuan1@husc10.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton...1st Woman President ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.yuan1.720997002
Distribution: na

zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:

>Therefore....the question that I would like to submit to my colleagues on this
>newsgroup is that will Hillary Clinton be such a power broker within the
>confines of the White House (she does possess a Law degree...and she 
>certainly is not the kind of lady contend only baking cookies at home).

Indeed, Hillary Clinton appears to be a very intelligent, educated, 
independently-minded woman who has devoted much of her time to causes
she believes in, most notably to the rights of children.  I found it very
frustrating that many people therefore found her threatening.  No, I don't
think she will exercise any more influence on the President than First
Ladies traditionally have (for instance, even though Barbara Bush appeared
to be a sweet grandmotherly figure, I suspect she is actually much closed
in temperment to Hillary Clinton than most people realize).  Mrs. Bush
wasn't content to bake cookies at home either; she did some wonderful
work in behalf of fighting illiteracy.  So why do people love Barbara
Bush and hate (or at least are wary of) Hillary Clinton?

I saw someone wearing a button a few weeks ago that said "Vote for
Hillary's Husband."  Sounds good to me.

To add in the obligatory s.c.a.a. note, was this opinion expressed
just by your Asian-American colleagues?  Just wondering.

-nhy
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From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese for Perot
Date: 6 Nov 1992 08:54:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: camis.stanford.edu

In article <Bx9LJG.J5L@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.014202.19259@ampex.com> leepeng@ampex.com (Peng Lee) writes:
>
>>    In my view, the best way to take care of the national debt is to file 
>>    bankruptcy.  Tell all the people we own money to "you will get a penny
>
>File bankruptcy?? Spain did 400 years ago, and look at it today

What?
It is said that no words in USENET should go unpunished and this last quote 
will be no different.

First of all, let me say that I don't know what "filing for bankruptcy" means 
for a country. Second, you have both the history of Spain and its current 
situation very wrong or you are talking about another country.

a) 400 years ago: That's 1592. Spain was about to reach the height of its
empire which will hold for more than two more centuries. I don't know
what episode of its history your are talking about but I would like to
know dates and facts.

b) Today: Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world (source: The Economist,
for example) and catching up with Canada ($545 Billion GNP vs $592 for Canada),
because of higher average growth rates, for 7th place. It is a fully
democratic society with a stable government and a member of the EC. It's
culturarly only rivaled by France (Museums, architecture, and so on).
It's a tourist haven. Its economy, even within the current downturn in
Europe remains with a positive growth ahead of many of its European
partners. And if you saw this year's Olympic games, you should have got
a glimpse about Spain today.

There are more than 150 countries in the world. I bet the vast majority
of them would like to be in the "bad situation" that you claim Spain
is today.
-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:57:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <19921110012311IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.223514.8921@leland.Stanford.EDU>, on 9 Nov 92 22:35:14 GMT,
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
[about events around the 50th anniversary of internment]

>>I don't ever recall that this sort of event was ever held at Stanford.
>>The closest thing was a pitiful display of personal paintings by internment
>>victims; the paintings were displayed at some Asian-American event earlier
>>this year.
>>
>Dwight-- 
>
>Events have been scheduled throughout the past nine months commemorating
>the 50th Anniversary.  I'm sure there were a number of events in the
>Bay Area, but the largest events have been here in Los Angeles.
>I can't speak for what Stanford may or may not be doing.  You might want
>to find out if the Stanford University Nikkei had anything planned
>last February.  Chances are, the 50th Anniversary events are finished
>everywhere but in LA.

What's so pitiful about a display of paintings.  I'm sure that it wasn't
the only thing happening.  Up in Berkeley, there were many student organ-
ized events and even more events organized by the usual Japanese American
groups.  I bet that KQED even had some shows about it.  And then there was
the major Day of Rememberance.  I didn't go, and I wish I had, but you MUST
have heard about that, seeing as you are so into Japanese culture.

Life must be so tough for you up here in the Bay, where Japanese have less
political and social power compared to the Chinese.  It's not like it is
(or used to be) in L.A.  Maybe you should go shop at Yaohan in San Jose or
coach basketball to some J-A kids.  Then you could get in touch with your
new roots!

(((beeep beeep beeep)))

Uh Oh!  My "Chino Alert 3X" radar scanner, which I boosted from some Raza
in L.A., just went off.  I guess it thought "Yaohan" was Chinese, ey.  Really,
it's a Japanese owned department store. Even though it sounds Chinese. 
Really.  You have to believe me...


-- 
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                               ucbvax!ocf.berkeley.edu!kawakami
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From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:53:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxM70G.9w1
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL


dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>Dwight Joe writes:

>There's another case.  It involves China Airlines.  Acoording to ABC
>News and Reuter's news service, this airline (which is run by Chinese-cu
>folks) has at least 2 requirements that applicants for the position
>of flight attendant must meet.  They are
>
>   (1)  The applicants must be virgins.

>I agree with this rule, but it's probably false
>BTW, what does this have to do with racism??

>>As for #1, I'll
>>just add that there were some Chinese-cu twits in s.c.a.a., s.c.c, and
>>s.c.t arguing _in_ _favor_ of #1.

>What's wrong with the first rule you immoral pig? What happened to the
>family values?? (another weakpoint of the American culture) :)

Do any of us have a mother who is a virgin? 
Yet most of us consider our mothers to be moral persons.
Non-virginity does not imply immorality.

Requiring applicants for the position of flight attendant to 
be virgins may not be racist, but I'll bet that (a) there are
no or few male flight attendants, (b) there are no or few
female pilots, (c) the virgin requirement applies to female 
flight attendants but not to male pilots.

In this case, I would certainly call rule (1) sexist.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: FACE magazine
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:38:33 GMT

In article <1dq2mlINNs39@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>gak!  who was it that dared to put that thing on the cover?  Who dares call 
>her a model???  As I felt the bile rise in my throat, I walked away forlorn
>from the newsstand, understanding why we remain forever slaves to the
>American conciousness.

Henry,

Who are you talking about?

Jim
From: rlawson@gn.apc.org (Dr Richard Lawson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Student seeks THAI culture place?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:11:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:gn:1566100001:000:286
Nf-From: gn.UUCP!rlawson    Nov  9 19:11:00 1992


}`MT}
STUDENT SEEKS TO STUDY THAI CULTURE

21 year old male English person wants to study Thai culture and 
history in Thailand.  Has spent 9 weeks there and is inspired 
with love for the country.  Has anyone got any suggestions for 
him? His name is Howard Frank; reply via gn:rlawson
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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:56:37 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <BxM70G.9w1@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>Requiring applicants for the position of flight attendant to 
>be virgins may not be racist, but I'll bet that (a) there are
>no or few male flight attendants, (b) there are no or few
>female pilots, (c) the virgin requirement applies to female 
>flight attendants but not to male pilots.
>
>In this case, I would certainly call rule (1) sexist.
The article I read on this virgin rule of China Airlines
applied to both male and female flight attendents.  It's
not sexist, just anal-retentive.

RT
From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 1992 Election results of Calif Asian Americans
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:21:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92311.172113U58402
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Were the Los Angeles mayoral elections also held on Tuesday?
If so, how did Michael Woo do?


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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton...1st Woman President ?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:57:57 GMT

In article 1vw@wilber.rich.nt.com, zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
[ A lot of interesting stuff deleted for brevity]

>|
>|Therefore....the question that I would like to submit to my colleagues on this
>|newsgroup is that will Hillary Clinton be such a power broker within the
>|confines of the White House (she does possess a Law degree...and she 
>|certainly is not the kind of lady contend only baking cookies at home).
>| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I think she will make a very big impact on the traditional role of the first lady.
She is a real sharp lady and is not afraid to speak her mind.  I don't think that she will be limited to the role of first lady though, I think she may take a very
active role in certain areas of governance that interest her, mainly childcare,
children's welfare etc.  Also, don't forget that Roslyn Carter was present and actively participating in most cabinet meetings during the Carter administration.

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Dominant American culture/Lack of Native Pride?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 08:24:37 GMT

In article <1d9smgINNqrl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU
(Suppasak Collins) writes:
>Americans aren't the only ones who view their culture as the dominant culture.
>Thailand and I'm sure most other Asian countries perceive this to be true as 
>well.  In Thailand, anything American is assumed to be superior.  There is
>much to be said about the issue of rejecting your own culture to accect
>foreign >ones.  As a Thai, this disturbs me very much.  Seems like everyone
>wants to be American in every way and assimilate.

Really?

Then, I presume that Mr. Collins favors, in addition to "restoration"
of Thai culture among assimilated Thai-Americans, the "restoration" of
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, and Homo Erectus culture.  If it is a horror
that Thai-Americans have abandoned "their" culture, then it should
be an equal horror that prehistoric man's culture has been abandoned.
After all we did "come" from prehistoric man, just like Thai-Americans have
come from Thais (from Thailand).

I understand that many Chinese-cu think just like Mr. Collins.

However, Americans-cu (like Japanese-Americans, German-Americans,
Irish-Americans, etc.) think otherwise.  I'd bet that Henry Liu,
an Asian-American killed by some Chinese-cu thugs in 1984 on American
soil, thought like an American-cu.

>  That's why I admire African-Americans
>(the ones I know anyways), they seem to have more pride and dignity about
>their native culture

Really?  Does that comment apply to Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, etc.
Or is Mr. Collins just feeling Chinese-cu today?

>than most Thai, Asian, Asian-American I know.
>Any thoughts on this?

This post reminds me of that Thai twit who was photographed in the
Economist, holding a placard condemning Japan for investing in Thailand.
By the way, the Thai twit was attending a university in Bangkok.

For those of you who aren't away, Japan singledhandedly created
the Thai middle class that forced the the recent military gov't to step
down to allow democratic elections.  Japanese investment in Thailand
have done vastly more for the Thai economy than all the funds raised
by illegal drug smuggling from China.

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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: More Money than Votes
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:07:05 GMT

In article <BxGzp7.IFv@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>I think the biggest split between the minority groups is "who wants what."
>Most Africans want a "united colored race" stand together against those
>"white slave owner" while most Asians do not care that much, and would much
>rather prefer personal wealth.

  I don't really have time to jump into another flame war, BUT, I cannot
  let these stereotypes go unchallenged.  
>
>The biggest joke here is the NAACP: they believe they represent all minority
>groups, and thus include an Asian chapter.. But most Asians do not endorse it.
>Also, the NAACP supports blacks everywhere (l.a. riots), and thus many Asians
>feel NAACP is only an organization for THEM..

  Did the NAACP officially endorse the rioters and looters?  I don't think
  so.  Besides not all of the rioters were Black, and I distinctly saw
  some Asians in the footage of looting, one girl was happily carrying
  away boxes of shoes.

>
>Let's look at the facts: blacks mostly support clinton, asians mostly
>support bush.. blacks like educational quotas (how else can they get people
>into top schools?) and asians despise them (25% seems to be the ceiling at
>most schools, one exception is berkeley, which got sued a few years back and
>changed its practice).. I don't really think asians really care about
>bilingual education (espeically here in NY), but personally i think any
>immigrants to the U.S. should learn to speak English first, instead of coming
>here with no english and trying to change things here..

  How do you know that Asian-Americans don't care about bilingual
  education?  Who was March Fong Eu and who got bilingual ballots in
  the state of California?  Bilingual education IS learning English,
  but also learning math, science and other topics at the same time.
  It is supposed to be a transition into full English classes, not
  a substitute.  No one is not trying to learn English.

  Seems like you're suggesting an English entrance exam for all new
  immigrants.  I can assure you that a lot of Asian immigrants will
  fail also.

  And which blacks like educational quotas?  Clarence Thomas?  Shelby Steele?
  Qualified Blacks can get into top schools whether there are quotas or
  not.  You seem to think that any Black face in a top school is a quota.

>
>Well, I hope these Asians would join the Republican party when they get
>a chance. Face it: the Democratic party is/will be dominated by the blacks,
>and we will never get anywhere working with them.. We must gain more power
>by making ourselves larger in the Republican party..

  Ha, ha, ha... The Democratic party is DOMINATED by Blacks?  That's news
  to me.  Then why were the two nominees double Bubbas?  They don't seem
  very Black to me.
>
>NW
>p.s. this is a long article!!