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From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Pay TV in Malaysia
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:06:10 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Nov19.014336.2786@ems.psu.edu> nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.140250.13561@csd.uwe.ac.uk> vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo) writes:
>
>>I'm quite sure its not satelite tv as satelite dishes are banned anyway.
>>Could it be cable tv or something ?
>>
>>What are the programmes that you get. MTV perhaps ?
>>
>>If any of you know about this pleeeeeeaseeeeeeeeee .... send a posting
>>at least it keeps the newsgroup from being overcrowded with all those
>>racial stuff which everyone already knows.
>>
>>===victor===
>
>I heard (two years ago) that Malaysia is going to have another TV channel
>(Channel 4).  What happen to the plan?  Anybody knows? 
>
>-Azlan-

I believe this pay tv thing that I refered in an earlier posting is the
4th channel.  Sorry to dissapointed you Azlan.

===victor===



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Somebody please get Othman Ahmad off the newsgroup!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.082304.5082@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>Ahmad F. Shaarani (afs2@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I've been logging on to this newsgroup for almost a year. I can still
>: remember the time when the newsgroup was still not INFECTED by 
>: Mr. Othman Ahmad. Ahhhh, those were the good old days.
>
>Just bear with me for a few more months.
>Then you can proceed with your boring old days without any honest confrontation.

Hear ye, Pak Othman  will have his contracted terminated in a few 
month's time.  Hence he will no longer be in NTU.  He will most
probably be returning to Sabah.  However, don't think that you will
never see him again on the net because by next year, very likely,
Malaysia will be on Internet.  And perhaps some of your net foes 
from days gone by will return to haunt you 8-)


Just an early announcement of Pak Othman's departure.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Re: Somebody please get Othman Ahmad off the newsgroup!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:11:25 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

[ A lot of Othman's garbage deleted ]

>Ahmad F. Shaarani (afs2@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:

>: The Chinese and the Indians (maybe not so much the older generation as
>: the younger one) are a loyal lot, only if you knew. Or perhaps you
>: chose not to see their loyalty. They do not deserve to be treated as second

>Maybe I'm too old to notice the younger generations.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey what are you trying to say here Pak O?????  Really you are back to your old
racist self again??  Shame on you!!  Being so educated but having a mentality ofa tenage kid!!! :(

Are you trying to say that even the young generation Non Malay Malaysians are 
not loyal?????

Damn you!!!



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From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: CHECK THIS OUT, OTHMAN
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:56:10 GMT

mokta mohammed (mmohamme@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: This message is for Othman
: 
: You low life idiot, get a life.
: 
: 
: U have been annoying a whole lot of people not to mention
: wasting a lot of bandwidth with all your stupid crap!!!!
Which one? I'm most delighted to know. Your wild accusation without any 
specific target in not informative.

: You f*$#ing idiot, put your hormone to better use (if u have any)
: than flaming and igniting racial tension among your country men.
: Any flame for me should be posted in this newsgroup. Othman, I
Have I flamed you enough? Try posting a few lies and dishonest articles,
you'll surely get my condemnation. However if it is too obvious, I do not
bother to reply. Only those that can mislead non-Malaysians. After all, 
usenet is not only form Malaysians.

: dare you!!! 
: happy thanx giving.
I do not celebrate thanx giving.
: 
: cheers
: mok, the main man
: 
: 
: P.S: GO MALCOM X
: 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: to23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tee-Ming Ooi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: another plug for "Malcolm X", the movie
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:50:26 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I urge you one and all who have been debating the issue of rascism on
this bboard to go see Spike Lee's movie "Malcolm X."  The film is very
timely and pertinent for all of us.  Expand your mind-- go see it!

 
Tee-Ming Ooi
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Somebody please get Othman Ahmad off the newsgroup!
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:57:10 GMT
Organization: Ramblin Wreck from Georgia Tech

In article <1e6l9fINN9sg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, afs2@po.CWRU.Edu (Ahmad F. Shaarani) writes:
> 
> 
> To all the Malays who support Othman's stand, I hope that you will open 
> your eyes to the suffering of our fellow Malaysians, our neighbors, our
> friends. We need them as much as they need us. We are different, but
> do not let physcial differences separates us.


 	I couldnt agree more.  To create a harmonic society, everybody should
	help one another.  Hopefully, those that refuse to wake up and smell
	the coffee would open up their eyes to see the other side of reality 
	before its too late.

	Btw, Othman Ahmad is a lecturer at NTU...I know...amazing aint it!!!

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From: shahrul@smdvx1.intel.com (Mat Kilang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Still Looking for Miss Chen Chwe Eng....
Keywords: vi
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:04:55 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

who is miss chen chwe eng, you're looking for her like crazy!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:48:04 GMT

> |> Pardon me, please.
> |> Isn't it a special festival for Indians right before the X'mas falls?
> |> I have forgotten the name of it. Show me. Wil you?
> |> Have a nice day to all Malaysian fellows.
> |> 
> You mean Deepavali ??  Usually falls around end-Nov.  Used to be told by my
> Indian friends that it always rain on Deepavali (or the day before).  It was
> connected to the legend of Deepavali itself.  Had never been able to proof
> them wrong so far :).
> 
> Could someone knowledgeable please fill us in with the stories of Deepavali?
> Would be a great diversion from all those network noise. 
> 
> ...Kyle

	Well, as an Indian I never heard this story before. I know in the past
it usually rained the day before Deepavali but not anymore. I don't think it
rained this year tho. I could be wrong. For this year Deepavali felt on 
Oct. 24th. 
	According to Hinduism, Lord Krishna killed the evil god on this day.
Evil god was creating troubles to the human being for several years until one
day all the humans cried to Lord Krishna for help. That's when Lord Krishna
enggaged in battle with him and won. So, people were living in the darkness
afraid of this evil. After he been killed, the darkness has gone and people 
could go out and be happy.  That's why Deepavali is also referred as a 
festival of lights. We put ligts outside to celebrate the victory with the
hope the rest of our life will be filled with brightness.
	That's all I can say about Deepavali without going to deep into 
the religous thing.

Geeva Subramaniam
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University.
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The "success" of NEP
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:20:45 GMT

othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
>I'm in Singapore? I will say that only fools want to stay and work in Malaysia
>given the extermely low salary. Of course I'm one of the fools when I go back
>to Malaysia in March 1993. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


What a tragedy !! Woe to Malaysia !! March 1993 will be the beginning
of tribulations in the country. Come on NTU, Malaysians don't mind
paying for his costs in Singapore. Please keep him.

Only fools want to stay and work in Malaysia ?  Hey, the 1st Class
Honours , YB Annuar is included  you know .





Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...)
Subject: Re: Humour (was Motion... Please Vote!!)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:12:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.002937.4025@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay):
>> "Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
> 
> Humour.
> 
> Mad-dog Pak Othman is a well-known psychopath.  Every day, he would for
> a tramp in the woods.  And he loves it!  Mind you, the tramp is getting
> a bit fed up!
> 
> Mad-dog would attack himself if the tramp is not available.  He would
> chased himself in circles trying to bit his own balls off.

Please please please don't call him 'Mad-Dog', as that reminds me of
Andrew Denton, a great homour talent if there ever was one!!  And much 
better than Othman!!

Even I was convinced that the Hoover Washing Machine Guide is a prediction
of future events.  :)

Other than that, a really enjoyable posting.  :)

FAl



> 
> He is a thorough-bred and he got papers... but he never uses them.
> 
> Last Saturday he took first prize at the cat show - he took the cat.
> 
> You may be glad to hear that finally I've got him eating out of my hand.
> But last night he gave my hand quite a nasty bite.
> 	Did you put anything on it?
> No, he liked it just as it was.
> 
> I was very lucky indeed.  We all know how vicious Mad-dog Pakcik can be.
> If he likes you he doesn't lick your hand; he lets you keep it.
> 
> Oh, I nearly forgot.  Pak Othman is a great educator.  He teaches his
> students fidelity, perseverance and to turn around three times before
> lying down.
> 
> 
> -Num
> 	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...)
Subject: Re: kissy kissy kissy...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.030029.12941@nuscc.nus.sg>, elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man) writes:
> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR) writes:
> : 
> : Adun dakwa wartawan Biadap
> : ==========================
> : 
> : Wartawan Berita Harian, Muhammad khairul Bahri Basaruddin yang
> : membuat liputan sidang Dewan Undangan Negeri Selangor semalam,
> : diminta oleh seorang ahli pembangkang 'keluar' dari negeri 
> : kerana didakwa kononya tidak menghormati Sultan.
> :
>   [ .. deleted ]
> 
>   great stuff mr jaafar. have not seen much material in malay on the
> internet, but why not ? still, for the benefit of those who're not

Because this is the internet and their are many of us who can't speak Malay. :(
So, can you please provide a translation for us???  So we can join it to??  :)

Thanks!!

Fal.


> familiar with the language, i guess they'll be able to understand the
> 'culture' in m'sia better thru these 'news'.
> 
>   i would like to draw attention of those who can recall an almost
> 'similar' incident involving the royal family of selangor. there was a
> 'prominent' individual of selangor who married one of the sultan's daugther
> without the royal blessing, and even fathered a child. his majesty was
> furious having finding out of such an affair. i believe from the malay
> sultanate customs, this act would have been considered as 'derhaka' or
> state treachery but that figure got off scot-free ! in fact, he's still
> holding a rather high office in the state, after the sultan's
> forgiveness of course. 
> 
>   what do you say to that ? 
> 
> k.o.looi
> nus, s'pore
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dewanto@cae.wisc.edu (Gaston Dewanto)
Subject: Re: E. Timor & Indonesia
references: <1992Nov15.004357.75810@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> <1992Nov14.215739.23764@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <1992Nov18.153504.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:54:37 CST

In article <1992Nov18.153504.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...) writes:
>
>My understanding is that Portugal left ET independant, and afterwards the civil
>war started.
>
Wrong, Fretilin made a coup to the Portuguese in an attempt ot control 
the East Timor. The Portuguese did not do anything to stop the coup
Then there was civil war between the Fretilin and the other two parties
(Apodeti and UDT). Apodeti and UDT together claimed that East Timor
was part of Indonesia. From my point of view, the Portugal government
did not do its job as ruler of East Timor then.
>
>ET is part of the west then if they believe they should have freedoms?
>Hardly!!  It's not only the 'west' that believes in certain freedoms.  The
>fact that ET doesn't have freedoms, which is part of their culture now, is
>because those customs were imposed upon them by another country, whose
>customs they were...a country which invaded.
>
I guess what you mean by freedom is including abortion right, drug usage,
free sex and other your civilization values.
>
>Why don't you let your 'brothers' leave home?  Are the West Papuan's also 
>your 'brothers', considering they are of a different race and culture?
>Funny that I didn't hear that 'cannot be accepted' about Singapore.
>
All Indonesians are our brothers. However if some people do not want to
be our brother that is their choice. I guess if we don't let 'our brother'
leave home, you will say that we are oppressing them too.
>
>One country invading another for that countries benefit?
>*sarcasm on* Aw...how sweet. *sarcasm off*
>
You want some sarcasm? If you can identify your nationality, I will give
you any sarcasm you want. It seems tome that you are an Australian.
Then you must consider the Aborigin more than other people because
they are right on your eyes. Letting them in alcoholism is not very
nice after your ancestors invaded the Aborigin's country. 

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From: art10004@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM LAY)
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:32:52 GMT

Tis the season to be jolly.....

Well folks, have a Good Holiday yourself!!!!!

************************GOD BLESS YOU!!!***************************
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:15:52 EST
From: <NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: who's right & who's wrong arguments [was Re: racial harmony- Yasmi
 <1992Nov17.164124.22909@ems.psu.edu>
 <Nov.17.19.04.39.1992.15280@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
 <1992Nov18.121855.28678@ems.psu.edu>
 <Nov.18.17.23.29.1992.1168@gandalf.rutgers.edu>

In article <Nov.18.17.23.29.1992.1168@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen) says:
>
>I won't bother to argue with you.  You have nothing new to say and I have no
>desire to hear you mouth off.  Thank you and good bye.

Good choice buddy.  YOu didn`t have anything either except you were slightly
jumpy when reading my earlier posting.  Get a rest and have a nice day.
Good bye.

>Have a nice day,
>Juergen

-Azlan Nordin-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Motion.... Please Vote!!
From: koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:23:58 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
to vote on this motion that:

	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Deepavali (was Re: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!)
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:42:28 GMT

In article <By4zr9.3y4@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
|> > 
|>    Geez, I'm not sure what you mean by coconut tarts. Maybe it's called 
|>   coconut candy or something? I don't know. My mom used to make one with
|>   coconut and cut it into small pieces and they look red usually. Is that what
|>   you talking about? 
|>  
I really cannot remember.  Seems like they came in various colors - red and 
yellow and green.  But most have that interesting light coat of 'flour?'.

Anyway, a belated Happy Deepavali.

...Kyle
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Nov8.182827.2492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Nov9.002942.23767@leela.cs.orst.edu>
	<1992Nov10.050031.27504@ems.psu.edu>
	<1992Nov12.074431.4657@nuscc.nus.sg>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.074431.4657@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN) writes:

{Azlan's post deleted}
   |> -azlan nordin-
   |>   Penn State
   Oh, Zam *is* still alive! I thought you have been killed in a
   car accident, or maybe decomposing in the bush somewhere. Aren't
   you suppose to graduate by now? Fail again eh? Never mind, there
   are lots more of the tax payers money for you to squander.

Uh...please note that Azlan Nordin and Nor Azizam are two entirely different
people at two entirely different universities.  The former is a gentleman and
entirely rational. Beware of "foot-in-mouth" disease!!!

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From: wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: USEA 2100
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:12:05
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu

Suppose, in the year 2100, you have been asked to help write the
constitution of a new country called USEA (Union of South-East Asia)
with all the current SEA nations as member states.  What would you
propose as guiding principles for the following?

1) Individual rights
2) State rights
3) National culture: e.g. national religion, national language


Feel free to add to/modify the/trash above.  The intent is to get some
constructive discussion going and is opened to everybody (moderates,
extremists, fanatics, anarchists, tiga sukus :-), etc. etc.)



Willie
From: heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Why the double standard?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:58:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Censorship is weak as fuck!!!
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Why the double standard?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:48:19 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov19.171534.2343@athena.mit.edu>, fadzil@athena.mit.edu (Mohd F Zakaria) writes:
> -- 
> if you feel you can not read postings by certain people without subsequently calling for the
> net to ban these people's views, skip the stupid messages.  Save yourself, and the rest of 
> the network, the shame of being petty censors.

	Actually the better thing to do is to tell them that yes, there should
be censorship, and the first thing that is going to be censored are censorship
requests... :) :)
	Oh yeah, that reminds me of something one of my teachers told me. 
Seems that the "old spinster" who does the "censoring" for RTM is her friend. 
And one day, she said something like, "If I feel nice, the kiss kiss, or maybe
even a little more also never mind.  If that day I am not nice, kiss also cut!" 
Interesting thing to hear from a censor, isn't it?  Dunno if it's a true tale,
or something my teacher made up (we were talking about censors and stuff in
that class).  Ciao.

-Tai
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From: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (l~{BmOHIz~}l)
Subject: Re: Significance?
Organization: nanyang technological university
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:30:14 GMT

  Testing only. :-)
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From: zxa5@po.CWRU.Edu (Zulfakar Aspar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:36:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: zxa5@po.CWRU.Edu (Zulfakar Aspar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) says:

>
>	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
>research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
>"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
>to vote on this motion that:
>
>	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
>
>	
>
	I know how much many of us hate Othman Ahmad.  But comparing a
human and an animal is not a nice thing to do.  I know this newsgroup for
about 3 months.  It is interesting to find out that sometimes what Othman
Ahmad wrote make sense. However, most of the time he is like a person lost
in a jungle.  So guys, please help him out!



	"A truth in a dark is better than a false in a daylight."


Zulfakar bin Aspar
CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY
Electrical Engineering