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From: keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:20:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Oct06.012015.23329
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

There are over 200 phrases (I don't recall the exact number)
"Math class is Hard" is one of those phrases, a few others are
more career oriented such as "I want to be a doctor".
I believe there is no way of knowing what the doll says until you have
purchased it  (an idea I don't like at all).
However Mattel says they will accept exchanges if one does not like what
the doll says.
Personally I feel it is a bad idea to give a kid any such negative
reinforcement such as having a doll that says such a phrase.
But people have a right to buy or not buy such a product.

Personally I would like such a doll for my collection, but would never give
such a doll to a child.
Too bad there is such a small chance of getting the exact barbie I want,
and not even knowing if it is the one I want until after buying it.

(if anyone has the doll that says "math class is hard" I would be glad to
buy it from you).
I suspect it will not last very long on the market.


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"the question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than
 the question of whether a submarine can swim" Edsger W. Dijkstra
From: LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:17:46 GMT
 <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com><1992Sep26.181754.9514@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Organization: Brigham Young University

I had fundal massage done to me, and I had a vertical c-section.  I
remember very vividly pushing the nurse's hands away and telling her
how much it hurt.  That's about all I remember from the first night
after birth, besides the throwing up.  I would have sworn I didn't
see my daughter, except that my husband has pictures of that evening
me holding her right before midnight (baby born about 8:51 pm).

I don't remember much because of the general anestetic.

Ellen Copley
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: places to live in the USA
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:26:56 NZDT
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

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From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HELP nice places to live in USA, Canada or Aus?
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:17:30 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Many of you will have seen me lurking on this news group for a while. I now
have some specific advice to ask this group. I know this request is a little
out of the ordinary in this group but I do want some advice from people who are
both working and have children.

My husband and I have been working in NZ for the last 14 mths but with the
disastrous situation in NZ regarding funding for science research, my husband
will most likely be out of a job in December.  I still have a job for 20 mths
but if my husband cant get one we will have to leave NZ.

We are looking in the USA, Canada or Australia at the minute. We dont 
want to go back
to the UK where we lived for 2.5 yrs as we didnt fit in there at all well.
Ideally we'd like to stay in NZ as we love living here
 but without jobs that is impossible.

I'd like some idea from the group of good places to work and bring up kids in
the USA, Canada or Aus. It is very impt for us to get good jobs but it is also
very impt to have a good life style for us as a family.

To give you some idea of us - 
Craig is a biochemist, with a main interest in computer modelling of protein
structure or computational molecular biology. He also loves computers and
theories of evolution. His other interests are very very important to him and
include gardening (particularly roses and vegetables), 
trout fishing, swimming, running and he loves just pottering around outside.

I (Mary) am an epidemiologist, with a main interest in cancer epidemiology or
nutritional epidemiology. My other interests are singing (I learn singing and
sing Alto in a big choir here), other music, interior design and draughting.

We have 2 children Anna aged 9.5 yrs and William aged 2.8 yrs. Anna plays the
french horn and swims. William loves anything with a ball and running around
outside.

We want a place with good schools, good creches, afterschool activities, nice
place to live, gardens, afford our own house etc etc

We dont want to commute, large cities or violence.

My parents have been in the USA recently visiting my siblings. They said
Portland, Oregon was a lovely place; Madison, Wisconsin was lovely but LA
(where my brother lives) was not a nice place to bring up kids.
I lived in Nashville until I was 7.5 yrs and my parents liked it there. I
lived near Boston when I was 12 yrs and we didnt like it very much.
 
Does any place exist in the USA, Canada or Aus that has all the features we'd
like? Or are we dreaming?

Any comments, suggestions etc gratefully received as we are rather upset at the
thought of having to leave NZ.

Thanks 
Mary Jane Sneyd
Dunedin
New Zealand
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24829 misc.consumers.house:13014
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Playground rubber mat?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:50:15 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct1.131814.20071@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, mma@bellcore.com (Mary M. Lau) writes:
> I am looking for soft and durable to put under
> my daughter's outdoor swing set.  I vaguely
> remember someone posting a question on getting
> the black rubber-like mats a while back but I 
> don't recall seeing an answer.  Can someone
> please post the information again?
> 
> I would be interested in other alternatives
> (we had already eliminate using pebbles and 
> sand).
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Mary M. Lau
> Bellcore 
> MRE 2J-385     	      Email: mma@aries.bellcore.com

How about lots and lots of mulch?  Many city playgrounds have
playground equipment surrounded with mulch.  And at least in
my city (Allentown, PA), you can get as much mulch for free as
you want at the city yard waste recycling center where they chop
and grind stuff to make mountains of mulch.  It's soft, cheap,
not as dirty as sand or dirt/mud.  

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Constipation - Summary and thanks
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

In article 14216@random.ccs.northeastern.edu, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>In article <3984@cvbnetPrime.COM> dmusican@figment.prime.com (Diane S. Musicant) writes:
>>
>>	- Corn syrup in the formula ( 1 or 2 Tblsp per 2 oz formula)
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This seems like way too much corn syrup for me.  We used about
>1 - 2 TSP (teaspoons) per 8 ounce bottle.  We put it in 
>every bottle, not just one a day, so the stools were consistently
>soft, not a mix of hard and soft sections.

This reminds me of a funny (after the fact) story.  My brother married
a Mexican girl and they both live in Cabo San Lucas near her family.
They had a son a few years ago and we went down to visit when the baby
was about 2 months old.  She was breastfeeding him but giving him a
bottle of water each day plus "honey".  After I heard this I took my
brother aside and informed him about the problem with infants and
honey.  He talked to his wife (in Spanish) and informed me that it was
a special "baby honey" used to help keep the baby's stool soft.  A
little later in the visit they showed me the bottle.  It was Karo Syrup
(in English) but somehow they don't have the exact translation so they
call it the Spanish word for "honey".

I also remember this because my brother had to make a rule about the
general care of the baby and get his wife and her family to agree to
it:  anything that went inside the baby's mouth he had to give prior
approval.  I forget the exact story but the baby had a problem and the
solution his wife used ended up in a fast run to the local medical
facility.  Supposedly this was a local customary way to solve the
problem but was really more of an old wives tale that in this case did
more harm than good.

And as an aside, she was still breastfeeding him as of his second
birthday (4th of July).  They were busy trying to teach him to not
be so agressive in wanting to feed.  He supposedly would go up to
her and start opening or lifting up her shirt, no matter where they
happened to be at the time. :-)


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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: handle@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Handleton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How Polite! (or cute things they say: age 2)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: handle@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Handleton)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


We've passed what might be a major milestone on the journey to having
a polite child.

Taylor, 2-3/4 yrs (I've got a thing against decimal ages) "tooted" while
playing in the family room. We had no visitors or such, but wanting
him to develop good habits I asked him "What do you say?"

"Thank you!"

I wasn't functional again for a good ten minutes!

Bob (what about me?)
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25149 misc.education:3559 k12.chat.teacher:4067 sci.med:18490 chi.general:1242
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:45:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct6.004531.28782
Organization: Western Washington University

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

>>Tell me: what possible side-effects of Ritalin are you worried about?
>>It wasn't even tried, I take it.

>	Drug dependancy!!!!

Yeah, right.  If the condition returns when you quit the drug,
you are "dependant" on it.  Horrors.
...and diabetics shouldn't get started on insulin either, right?

Sheesh.

JD "my grandpa curses the day he got himself hooked on insulin" Del Vecchio

>	And you're nothing more than a "take a pill as the cure" person.  
>	You know, somking a joint helps, too.  Hey, it's just another
>	drug. Why not?

Maybe he's a "psst, hey man, try some insulin, Alan ...the first shot's 
on the house" person.  It's gotten worse than you thought, this "medicine
counterculture" thing.  Kids these days!  Who can understand em, with 
their Asprin and their Pepto-Bismo, their long hair and their yeah-yeah 
music, who knows what this world's coming to.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25056 misc.education:3530 k12.chat.teacher:4034 sci.med:18401
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>	things in their environment.
>
>	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
>	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.
> 

If you are going to post mush-headed superstitions, please delete
sci.med from the heading.  ADD is a disease, it is not related
to allergies, which is an immune response to foreign bodies.
I'm not saying that ADD children don't have behavioral sensitivities
to certain substances (give one a dose of barbiturate, if you doubt
me, they will be on the ceiling), but that is not the *cause* of the
disorder.

Ritalin works.  It has been validated in controlled studies to work,
and improves the performance of the child.  And if, like most
"alternative types" you want testimonial evidence rather than
scientific evidence, just ask any parent
that has an ADD kid, and they'll tell you.  I grant that many children
are falsly diagnosed by teachers and GPs, and that you should take
your child to a pediatric neurologist or pediatric psychiatrist before
accepting Ritalin treatment.  But it does work.
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: c8922369@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Leon James Garde)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:11:05 GMT

scylla@ziggys.cts.com (Pam Matthews)  619/262-6384 writes:

>schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:

>} What the original poster described is called "clitorectomy". It
>} is rarely done on infants or toddlers, so it should not be an issue
>} in adoption. (If you want to adopt an older child, then you are rare
>} birds indeed. My complements, but such a child would face additional
>} unusual and difficult issues outside of her original culture, in
>} addition to the usual traumas of maturing sexuality.)
>} 
 
   In the UK, according to some documentary I watched on TV a while ago,
   there is a law which outlaws such  mutilation.
     (BTW I wonder if in Texas,  a law like this bans male circumcision,
      as gender specific laws arent meant to exist there. )


  The documentary showed brief clips of actual ritual female circumcision,
  and the story a young (African) girl, whose Grandmother took her
  from Uk to Africa, for a holiday.  So the issue isnt just about
  bizzare rituals practiced in backwards corners of the globe. It could
  happen to a neighbour near you.



  Should male circumcision be called mutilation too ???  !!!!
  I say yes ....

 leon
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Heart Murmur in Infants
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:54:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep24.203306.15591@disk.uucp> gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle) writes:
>MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher) writes:
>
>>When we took our new daughter, Shannon, for her 4-week checkup, the doctor
>>detected a heart murmur, which he said was likely caused by a small hole in the
>>heart.  He said that since she was so healthy otherwise, it was probably
>>nothing to worry about and would probably close up on its own and that he would
>
>      [stuff deleted for space]
>
>>Anyone else have experience with this?  Although the doctor says it is unlikely
>>to be a problem (due to the fact that babies who are really sick with heart
>>ailments would show other signs of bad health--e.g., not gaining weight), we
>>are quite concerned.
>>Cindy
>
>That is the exact same thing my sons pediatrician told me. AND his Pediatric
>Cardiologist. They ended up doing an echocradiogram, and giving me an appoint-
>ment for when he would be a year old. That will be next month. 


	[more stuff deleted for space]

Our daughter, Adrienne, had a heart murmur detected at her one year
checkup.  In fact, she had been seen by a general practitioner and
was switched to a pediatrician because we felt more comfortable. 
The pediatrician detected the murmur and we were kind of annoyed the
the GP hadn't.  Adrienne has been through the routine exam and the
echocardiogram (how pathetic, they give her a drug to sleep... she
was so limp...).  The pediatric cardiologist said the only risk
to her at all is if and when she has dental surgery.  Because of
the nature of dental surgery, she would have to go on antibiotics
(no, I don't understand this, but your doctor or doctors could try
to explain it to you).

Adrienne was just at the regular pediatrician a week ago for a cold,
and I asked the doctor if she could still hear it, and she said yes.
Most heart murmurs do close by themselves, but even when they don't,
they pose NO health risks.  On the other hand, Adrienne's pediatric
cardiologist HAS told me some horror stories about health and life 
insurance companies refusing to carry someone with a heart murmur.
So keep that in mind if you ever need to switch insurance for one
reason or another.

	Gail Karlovsky
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another question about tantrums
Summary: Happened to me, too
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: novell.1992Sep29.215816.12231
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <1992Sep22.133426.23287@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> cmg1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christine.gerveshi) writes:
>I'm convinced that kids save all their worst behaviour patterns
>to try out on their mothers.  It's a compliment to the safe
>and loving relationship we provide. If your daughter will 
>cooperate with a rule laid down by the sitter, that's fine
>because it keeps your sitter happy, but it doesn't bear any
>weight as far as YOUR interactions with your child are concerned.
>It was very tactless and narrowminded of your sitter to try
>to make you feel inadequate about this.
>
YES! This happens to me, too. My 19-month-old's tantrums have
abated for a while, but it used to upset me when the babysitter (caregiver,
nanny, whatever) would say, "She never does that around *me*."
I felt better when the pediatrician, a child care expert, and so on
reassured me that children save their worst behaviors for their
mothers (or fathers, I suppose) because they know that no matter
what they do to their mothers, they will still be loved.

. . . If they live. ;>)

Janine Schenone
janines@novell.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25059 sci.med:18416 misc.education:3532
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:28:05 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct3.000832.18415@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:

>Amen. Before accepting a prescription for ritalin, be sure that a 
>complete physcial/neurological workup is done. Children have been
>diagnosed with ADD when they actually suffered from such unrelated
>disorders as pinworms and epilepsy. I think an EEG is an absolute 
>requirement since in some cases Dilantin or other medication is 
>indicated, not ritalin.
> 

Certainly an EEG cannot rule out epilepsy.  It is far more important
to have the child seen by the expert than to have notions about
what tests are "an absolute".  The diagnosis is not made on an EEG.

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From: peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:11:51 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <66638@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>Given that the station must accept political ads, are they also required to
>run them at the time desired by the organization placing the ad, or could they
>at least move them to, say, after 9 PM or so?

First of all, no station *must* accept political ads.  What they must have
is programming that serves the public interest, i.e. public affairs programs
or public service announcements (generally aired at 3AM, so don't worry if
you've never seen one).  There is also a limit on how much network programming
they can air, this provides for prime-time programming that meets the needs
of the local (as opposed to the national) interest.  i.e. Jeopardy at 6:30.

As for political ads, the requirement is that *if* they provide access for
them, then they must provide equivalent access for all "responsible"
opposing parties.  The station gets to determine what "equivalent" means,
if someone doesn't agree they can always sue.

>
>> The government has no business controlling what TV stations broadcast,
>> whether it's political, obscene, or both.  This applies to the forced
>
>The government has plenty of business controlling TV stations, since the
>electromagnetic spectrum is a public resource.  It's not like, say,
>newspapers, where anyone with money can start one.  Contrast this to
>TV, where you can't just go out and start a station, since there is no
>room in the spectrum for it.
>
>--Tim Smith

I was going to say "Are we naive, or what", but that would be cruel.  *In
practice*, then, the FCC has established guidelines so that communities
can fight license renewals if they are sufficiently offended by a station's
programming practices.  If a community can show that the station has
*significantly* violated those guidelines, *and* if the FCC finds that there
are other carriers capable of filling the gap, or that there is a third
party with a big enough bankroll to step in and take over the station then
they might take away a station's license to broadcast.

My advice?  Get yourself (and your kids, of course!) hooked on community
radio!  This won't work for those of you that feel that broadcasting should
be censored, but if you're really interested in broadcasting that reflects
community needs/concerns, and is responsive, then this is the way to go.

PBS comes a distant second.

Sorry for all the verbage, but as you can tell I have some background, and
some strong feelings, about all this!

-Jeff

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