From: darkmoor@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Darkmoore)
Subject: Re: Straight, gay, whatever....
Organization: Purdue Computing Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.153538.80@actew.oz.au>, ina_pearce@actew.oz.au writes:
> In article <BvM7CB.9o@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, darkmoor@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Darkmoore) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct2.141825.78@actew.oz.au>, ina_pearce@actew.oz.au writes:
> 
> the following response was expected, respected and appreciated.
> yes I am anti-gay, because I don't see it as 'biologically' normal - but that 
> is only my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own...

  Please let me remind y'all, Darkmoore did not say the above statement!



> >> >                    A Questionnaire on Heterosexuality
> >> >                    ----------------------------------

> >> > 1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality?
> >> being born

> >> > 2. When and how did you decide you were heterosexual?
> >> again, when i was born and It wasn't a decision

> >> > 3. Isn't it possible that your heterosexuality is just a phase you may
> >> >    grow out of?
> >> probably when i die...


> >   The answers given for the first three questions could also support the
> >   argument for homosexuality.  I felt like pointing that out to ina_pearce.
> >   Didn't seem to get the idea, I bet!

> I take it you're stating that people can be born homosexual.
> I can't understand this, could you please explain.

  People are born heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.  Sexual orientation
  is something that happens prior to birth.  I am gay as you are straight.
  As you have no understanding how two people of the same gender could have
  sex together, I have a difficult time visualizing how a man and a woman
  could have sex.  Actually, I could visualize it if I rented a porno (ick)
  but then you could rent a gay porn.  :)


                  (unnessary stuff deleted!)



> >> > 7. Why do you heterosexuals feel compelled to reduce others into your
> >> >    lifestyle?
> >> no need to, they were all born the same way

> >   Not everyone is born heterosexual!  Some people are born homo/bi-sexual.
> >   In fact some of the greatest figures in history were non-heterosexuals.

> again from you're response to Q1,2,3  - please explain

  (See above)


> >> > 8. Why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? Can't you just
> >> >    be who you are and keep it quiet?
> >> because I'm proud to be normal

> >   So, you are saying that homo/bisexuality is ABnormal!  I'm am very proud
> >   to be gay and I think I am normal.  

> I was talking 'biologically' normal.

  So was I, homosexuality is biologically normal.  Good great grief!  Fags
  have been around since evention of air!  The emergence of the homosexuals
  in the politcal arena in the past 20 years is not the emergence of 
  homosexuals on the planet.


> >> > 9. Would you want your child to be heterosexual, knowing the problems
> >> >    he/she would have to face?
> >> i don't see it a problem to shit out of a normal size hole

> >   I shit out a normal size hole!  By that I mean that I have never had anal
> >   sex and I am more than sure many lesbians are not engaging into anal sex.
> >   Seems to me that you are making assumptions about gays.

> OK  I apologise for this one - it was a bit offensive but it was all i could
> think of on the spur of the moment.

  Alright your forgiven...for this one.


> maybe I should have said my child would be born heterosexual and if he/she
> decided later in life that they were gay - it would be their decision whether
> I like it or not.

  Being homo/bisexual is not a decision!  People are born this way!  Yes,
  coming out is a decision, but only in the sence of telling others about
  one's own sexuality.


> >> > 10. A disproportionate number of child molesters are heterosexual. Do
> >> >     you consider it safe to expose your child to heterosexual teachers?
> >> that's funny - all the child-molestors i've read about are men molesting
> >>  young boys
> > 
> >   Whats your point?  They were still straight men who did those hateful things.
> > 
> if they were 'straight' why did they molest boys?

  I do not scientific facts, but boys are the group that would be the easiest
  for molesters to control and shame into silence.  Who would the boy tell
  without being stereotyped as a "fag," "sissy," or whatever.  I'm not saying
  being gay is wrong, but children can be very cruel and adults are even 
  worse.

                       (deleted stuff...yet again.)

> >> > 14. If you needed help, could you trust therapists who were heterosexual
> >> >     to be objective? Don't you feel that they might be inclined to
> >> >     influence you in the direction of their own leaning?
> >> yes because they also were born that way they also didn't make a decision
> > 
> >   Niether do gay therapists.  I have never heard of anyone chosing to be
> >   something other than who they are!
> > 
> again see Q1,2,3. How can it not be a choice? Nobody puts a gun to your head
> and says be queer or else, do they?!

  No, there is no gun play involved.

> >> > 15. How can you become a whole person if you limit yourself to compulsive,
> >> >     exclusive heterosexuality and fail to develop your natural, healthy,
> >> >     homosexual potential?
> >> you just contradicted yourself - hoe can homosexuality be 'natural'?
> > 
> >   How can heterosexuality be considered 'natural?'  It seems to me the only
> >   good use for heterosexuals is to breed so that we, the sexual elite, 
> >   won't have to sully ourselves with that task.
> > 
> OK then if you don't want to 'breed' then you can be happy with your 'choice'.
> but I still feel it is our 'natural/normal' purpose to 'breed' :-)


  Actually, breeding has nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality.
  I do not think I could make you understand withou;t a mojor debate.


> >> > 16. There seem to be very few happy heterosexuals. Techniques have been
> >> >     developed that might enable you to change if you want to. Have you
> >> >     considered trying aversion therapy?
> >> 
> >> are you saying homosexuals are happy. they have the same normal problems as
> >> heterosexuals with a lot of abnormal problemms thrown in.
> >> x + y will always be greater than x (while y>0 :-)
> >   
> >   The only real difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals is that the
> >   heterosexuals are trying to dominate over the homosexuals and change them
> >   because they (heterosexuals) know that we (homosexuals) are their betters!
> > 
> what makes you better? that seems to be a hefty statement. I don't think we are
> trying to dominate - just don't agree.


  Yes, but it was the only thing I could think of!


  Darkmoore.