HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: GMG109@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Blue Book for Bikes?? (CBR600 info)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:29:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     Hello, everyone!  I'm looking to buy a 600cc sport bike this
summer, specifically a Honda CBR600.  My question is:  Is there anything
similar to the NADA blue book of used car prices/values for bikes?  If so,
can anyone tell me how to get it?  If not, how about some pricing/riding/
general advice regarding CBR600's, insurance, etc., as this will be my
first cycle--any good advice would be appreciated.  You can either
post responses on the net or e-mail them directly to me--I'll find them
either way.  Thanks!

                                   Chris    GMG109 at PSUVM
From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Pulled Over / Sunday Ride
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:05:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <1992Apr6.144608.7996@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ed@grackle.UWaterloo.ca (Ed Walker) writes:
>Phew!
>"No problem SIR!" I said as I handed over all my stuff.  
>"Hmmm, going pretty good for a new driver eh?" he said with a smile looking at 
>my beginners.
>While I tried to think of a good reply the cop looked at Wayne and said...

    When all else fails, "Yes SIR" seems to work pretty well :-).
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.

    "Traditionalists often study what is taught, not what there is to create."
			     - Ed Parker, Grandmaster, American Kenpo.
From: shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:57:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cycle Appraisers, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.192408.22869@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
> What's a 1978
> Ducati, Guzzi, Harley, or BMW  worth in showroom condition (as a fraction of 
> original sticker price)?

I tried to buy a 1979 FXS (Low Rider) used from an individual last July 
for $5000 but it was sold with several backup bids before mine.  It was
not in showroom condition.  The same bike sold new for about $4800 back
at the end of 1978; I almost bought one then at the Harley dealer on
Northern Blvd in Queens, NY.  A 13 year old Harley sells for 5000/4800
of the original purchase price.  Not bad...

Meth Swervin'
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Electronic countermeasures
Keywords: help
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:51:07 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer

|> Funny, in six years of 80 mile/day commuting, averaging 70mph, I never
|> got a ticket, using only my eyes and experience.  My friends who drive by


Don't you think you should "knock on wood" now....

-- 
+-----------------------------+
|                             |	     Drew Lynch, atl@kpc.com
|           Zoom!             |	Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Santa Clara, Ca.
|                             |	            DoD#278
+-----------------------------+	  Disclaimer: This is me, not them.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists and Bicyclists
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:20:19 GMT

moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:
>One thing is for damn sure, and that is that bicycles are a hell of a lot
>more dangerous than motorcycles.  [other obnoxiousness deleted]

Statistically speaking, I believe that this is false.  (No, I don't have
numbers at hand, though they have been posted here previously.)

I also ride and bike.  Intuitively, I *feel* much safer on my bicycle.  I'm
usually riding near the edge of the road and going <15mph, so when some nut
with an engine screws up, I sharp turn or leap will let me roll it up on the
side of the road.

On a motorcycle, your main advantage is hard acceleration and deceleration on
straightaways.  If you hit something though, you're more likely to be
traveling at a speed which is going to make a mess of you.

Finally, bikes are less noticeable than motorcycles.  Cars are less likely to
hit you if they can't aim.  8-(

Mike
-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Ringmaster, Boelter Hall Roach Circus--
   The more Angelino drivers I meet, the more I like Charles Manson.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RACING GAS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> I own a 82 Honda CB750 Custom, the store up the road sells racing
-> gas, 100 Octa at $2+ a gallon. Would it be benificial to use this gas
-> or should I go ahead an use unleaded regular?
->
-> What are the benifits/disadvantages

 Unless you're experiencing detonation problems, racing gas won't do
anything other than deplete your wallet better and faster.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:39:28 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History

In article <1992Apr14.212301.9654@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.123658.1756@nic.csu.net>, rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker) writes:
>> the tally is tied at 15:15.
>Yeah, but the tally of *what*?  It certainly isn't a tally of people who
>have e-mailed you their votes, since you posted votes for both Blaine and 
>me even though we hadn't sent them to you.

are you telling me that you have never sent me mail about your FJ?

look, you. i am holding in my hand a list!  a list of known german and
japanese conspirators inside the DoD, who are running a operation to
destroy american dominance in the motorcycle business.  tell me, mr.
rogers, are you know or have you ever been an owner of an yamaha FJ 
motorcycle?


>I thought your transparent attempt to pass off that phony
>Henry Pasternack e-mail as a legitimate vote was savagely funny.  In
>fact, it's savagely funny even if Henry *did* send it to you, knowing
>Henry.

henry thought it pretty funny, too.

>Chuck "Chuck" Rogers

as we say here in california, "chuck you!"




-- 
-- bob pasker 
-- rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu 
-- not speaking for: San Francisco State -- Dept. of History
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

> From SULDAL@ESOC.BITNET Mon Apr  6 19:02:20 1992
> Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
 
So, does this mean you are a rocket scientist??

> 
> Picture the following scenario:
> Rider wearing tennis-shoes cruising along happily, until intersection
> with red stop signal is encountered. Rider stops bike, taking his left
> foot from the footrest to put it on the ground. During this forward
> motion of the foot, the shoelace somehow gets caught by the shift lever
> preventing said foot from reaching the ground. As the biker simultaneously
> inclined the motorcycle just a little bit to the left - ....
> 
> So, a kind word of warning! - think twice before riding wearing laced
> shoes or boots, or, at least, tie them up such that the laces are not
> "flapping" about!
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Steen.

Not to mention the horrible things that might happen if the lace helped
suck your foot into a chain......

That's why I put zipper inserts into the combat boots that I wear for 
trips. 

Ron
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Rey Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:48:11 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STUFF DELETED <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
                       about CX500
> you mean that little thing does 105mph?

>> *Better 'an that...I got mine to 110 !
                                        Bigfoot.

-- 
  ___________________________________________________________________  
|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxxgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
|| Melbourne,Australia 3000   | Tel: +61 3 663 3663		     ||
||       If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em God was drunk.       ||
||___________________________________________________________________||
From: moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Avon vs Michelin radials
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:50:22 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr10.190209.17776@cci632.cci.com> buck@jloda.UUCP (Gary Rogers) writes:
>
>Am I the only one that can get 12K *miles* out of a set of Michelins?
>I have been caught abusing my rear tire a few times (usually on Wed.
>nights at the drag strip) and can still get great mileage.  I don't
>think it's me, must be the bike. :-)

I've been through two sets of Michelin radials on the Concours, and have
gotten 11,000+ both times. The front gets real noisy and scalloped, and I
don't do a relatively great amount of aggressive cornering, but some. I've
got Avon radials on now, and don't have enough miles to predict how long
they'll last. They don't seem to fall into turns as fast as the Michelins,
but I have an easier time holding a line, and the traction is fine down to
the pegs. I think I like them better than the Michelins, but I won't be
sure until I do the Mt. St. Helens run between Carson and Randle.

 - Steve
From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (or current resident)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: No End In Sight...Or, What The Proctologist Saw.
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:27:09 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

> "I own two bikes, brand unimportant"  -- Jeff Kaskey 


Oh I see, lording it over those of us who own the wrong number of bikes,
eh? Isn't the point THAT you ride, not HOW MANY you ride? Have you
noticed all these types who put an inventory of their motorcycle
collection into their sig? It's disgusting; it arouses the greedhead
masses of under-inventoried bikers^H^H^H^H^H motorcycle-afflicted
persons. It makes the numerically-deprived rider feel dis-empowered.
Why, it's nearly as bad as identifying your bike by, gasp, make and
model. People get the wrong idea. It's not polite. It will probably be
illegal soon. People making choices and standing behind them was last
century; this is a New Age. Have a nice day. Be kind to animals. Leggo my
Eggo.





--
Bradlee T. LaBroad		I own an unspecified number of
				bikes of irrelevent displacement
				and no particular ethnic content.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Denizen of Doom BELT BUCKLES - Ordering Information
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:42:10 GMT

Based on the response I've received so far, it looks as though the belt
buckle project may become a reality.  Following is information on ordering:

DoD BELT BUCKLES

Solid Brass or Bronze Buckle - 2.25 x 3.25 or 3.5 inch oval
with the round DoD Logo centered in the oval.

Buckles will be lost wax casting process which gives a very
high quality finish and very detailed lettering.

The cost of each buckle will be $25 plus $2.00 S&H 'cause
they'll weigh ~5.5 ounces or more for U.S. shipping.

Canadians US$25 plus US$2.50 S&H.  Europeans and other
Internationals US$25 plus US$4.00 S&H for air-mail shipping.

I will hold your checks until I have the minimum order of 50 buckles.
If we don't achieve 50 buckles within a reasonable time, I'll return
or destroy your checks based upon your instructions.

Once the minimum order of 50 is achieved, it'll take 6 to 7 weeks for
tooling, casting and delivery to me.

Of course, all proceeds (profits) will go to the American Motorcycle
Heritage Museum in Westerville, Ohio.

Send check or money order to:

Arnie Skurow, 5760 Crawford Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (USA).

Please note on your check that it's for DoD Buckle.

Thanks.

Arnie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: HELP: I WANT TO BUY A MOT
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> I'd like to buy a motorcycle before this summer and I need some
-> advice. I will continue to use my car as my primary vehicle but will
-> use the motorcycle on weekends, etc. and maybe to drive to work once
-> in a while (this requires about 12 miles of highway driving).

 If you're relatively new to motorcycling, take a look at a used Honda
CX500, Suzuki GS450, Kawasaki KZ440, or a similar sized machine.  People
can and do learn on big-bores, but things are a lot cheaper
(particularly insurance) on the smaller machines, and if you make a
boo-boo on a used bike, it's a bit different than wiping your $5000
XYZ600RR2 Yamahondazaki.

 12 miles is short-range commuting, ideal for motorcycles.  Since you're
indicating mainly weekend use, you might consider one of the dual
purpose street/trail machines.  They're big and fast enough to keep up
on the road, though not particulary comfortable, displacements are small
enough to keep the insurance dragons placated, and if you want to go out
poking in the woods, fire roads, or whatever, you can.

 Just about all motorcycles are reliable nowadays.  Downright boring,
actually...

 Points to look for:

1)  worn chain.  Chains/sprocket sets cost $100 and up for decent stuff.

2)  worn tires.  Unless you mail order, you're looking at $50-$100 for
    tires, plus mounting.  Each.

3)  cosmetic damage: seat, tank.  Forget it.  Parts are usually more
    expensive than they're worth.  If you can live with it, fine.

4)  cosmetic damage:  bars, controls, turn signals.  Not that bad, but
    still a sign of abuse.  Adjust offering price accordingly.

5)  cosmetic damage:  mufflers.   Depends on your state and how bad it
    looks.  A new pair for my Yamaha were $360.00.
                                                            
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: DoD ACHIEVES $5,000 PLAQUE AT AMA HERITAGE MUSEUM
Organization: The Ohio State University
                 ^^^^^^^^^^
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:21:00 GMT

There's no special ceremony that I'm aware of, but it is a great level of
achievement for the AMA by its clubs and "founders" of the museum.

You can bet you butt that, when you visit the museum, and you mention that
you're a DoD Member, that you'll get the VIP treatment.  Don't forget to
wear your DoD Shirt :-).

Arnie
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:44:02 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Apr11.043427.25282@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>>My deaf neighbor can drive, but I guess that's cuz he doesn't wear earplugs.
>>But this isn't California ;-)
>
>In California deaf drivers are required to have a passenger-side mirror in
>addition to the driver's and center rearview mirrors. That's it.

Well that makes tons of sense. I wonder what brain-dead polititian though
this one up? "Gee, them deaf people can't hear, so let's make 'em use another
mirror." Most of the side view mirrors I've used, *especially* the one on
my mustang, are useless. I can see if someone is graffitiing the side of
my car, but that's about it.

>Which makes one wonder - as most motorcycles have both side mirrors (and a
>center mirror isn't practical or needed), then if you're wearing earplugs
>and thus 'technically' deaf, you're in the clear, yes? Hmmmm....

Bzzzzt. But thanks for playing... :-)

Seriously though, one would assume that most deaf people have been deaf since
birth, and have learned to get along just fine using the other senses, the same
way hearing people learn to get along without ESP. I mean "learned" in the
sense that we learn everything since birth. 
>
>
>-Neal
>[niall@c3.com]

Jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |                           - Dilip Ballamore  *
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FOR SALE - BMW R 80/7
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Div. Det., Annapolis Facility


	FOR SALE - 1978 BMW R80/7 with S-fairing and gauges, and Krauser 
		   Bags. 44,000 miles, exc. cond., new battery, front
		   tire (rear good), black color.  $2,600.

	 Mark Cervi, work (410) 267-2147, home (410) 647-0990
	 Arnold, Maryland (near Annapolis)
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|  cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (410) 267-2147                     =======
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:18:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Apr13.172608.29409@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>> Exactly what is "shaft
>> effect" and how can I feel for it?
>
>You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
>a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.
>
>It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle . . .

In Illinois the whole state is about to feel another shaft effect.  Rumor has
it that the Dept. of Public Health wants to make everyone wear helmets, end
the self-funded rider ed. program, and use the money we motorcyclists put into
the rider ed fund for other things.

Chas
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A newbie with an idea.
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:17:32 GMT
Distribution: na

Nuke the NEWBIE!!!!

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'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1250 Sportster, yet to be named              DoD # 055
 ^^^  The resurrection begins!  ^^^             AMA #524245
 "Crew Chief" AFM 328               Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
                                               (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@molehill.NSD.3Com.COM               Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Cyberlight?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:02:18 GMT

So whatever happened to that pioneer in the neon-light-show-masquerading-
as-a-safety-device field, the Cyberlight? They seem to have vanished
completely, leaving only the SOS Priority Lights and the Neon License
Plate Frame (Really, a genuine neon bulb in your choice of colors! Be
the first on your block to make Bob Pasker break out in a cold sweat!)
to carry the flame. (So to speak. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
From: t2r@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: '82 Seca 650 Info. (Wanted)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:08:59 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University



	Ho, I'm currently thinking about purchasing a '82 Seca 650 to replace
my trusted (but to small to haul all my garbage to Florida) '82 Maxim 400. 
The problem is that the Seca 650 has a shaft drive and the gearing seems 
(IMHO) a tad to short for highway driving. Does anyone know if it is possible 
to easily change the gearing on the Seca's shaft drive?? 

		Tom Ricker 

P.S. To any '82 Seca 650 (nonturbo) owners: Is there anything special I should 
     check out on the bike before I buy it? (besides the regular stuff)

DoD#249
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton)
Subject: 1974 Honda 350/4 question
Originator: whitton@bcrks76
Reply-To: whitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:14:14 GMT


I am interested in a 1974 Honda 350/4 which is advertised for
sale in the local classifieds.  What should I watch out for
in the way of problem areas, parts availability, handling, ..?

Please e-mail answers.

-- 
Mark Whitton,  Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario K1Y 4H7, CANADA
Dept 5E60 Design and Technology Access 
613-763-2137
whitton@bnr.ca          82 Yamaha Exciter 250
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Shadow or Virago?
From: soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:13:26 MST
Reply-To: soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson

I'm interested in getting either a Honda Shadow or Yamaha Virago,
probably early 80's. (The mid-size, 700-750cc bikes.) I'd like to
get some feedback on what people think of these two cycles, general 
specifications, etc.

As far as I know, they both are shaft drive, which is a prime
consideration (I'm not interested in the Shadow VLX, it's chain
driven.) 

email would probably be better on this topic, since it's probably
not of general interest.

  +-----------------+------------------------------------+
  | Brian Soderblom |  soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu  |
  | (602) 323-6705  | 2350 E Water A-213 Tucson AZ 85719 |
  +------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 14:37:43 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Apr8.134827.19146@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>pyoung@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Peter Young) writes:
>>From article <1992Apr7.140801.8480@javelin.sim.es.com>, by blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers):
>>. . . I think the technology exists but the
>>market doesn't, yet.
>
>Well, I haven't seen belt drive used on any 100+ HP bikes, only Harleys
>and small Kawasakis. From what I've read, the power handling ability of
>the belt is related to its width, so you'd have to have a very wide belt
>on a ZX-11. . .

I've seen a FLH with the bottoms of both mufflers ground flat from wheelies.
The 600+ lbs. bike had a stock belt drive.  It seems reasonable to me that
a belt that can lift that kind of weight should hold up on a faster bike.
From: geoff@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Geoff Caras)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda Pacific Coast??
Summary: Comments on the Pacific Coast.....
Keywords: Honda, Should I?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:06:21 GMT

About the honda Pacific Coast. I traded mine in on a honda ST1100. 

Good things about the PC:
	- integrated luggage
	- size of luggage compartment is cavernous!
	- low maintenance
	- reasonable mileage
	- handling

Bad things:
	- luggage and bodywork fit
	- handlebar vibration
	- small tank (refill after ~150 miles)
	- very mediocre power output
	- windshield is too small
	- mushy two up
	- upright seating position

Depending on what your needs are... I found the handlebar vibration 
annoying. Also this bike has no kick starter, and the engineers at honda
put a lights on position on the key switch. This will drain your battery
lickety split. I was not able to start it by pushing...(Yes I did it 
with a car battery !)    

I think I paid around 6K for mine out the door, it was the first model 
(white). I didn't want cop-stop-me-red.

The ST1100 is quite a different bike, but WOW! I REALLY like it ('cept for the windshield)
- guess thats what I get for being 6'3"!

good luck....