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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se's message of Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:43:06 GMT

In article <VADER.92Sep4004306@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:

   Here in Sweden, bowhunting is illegal, the argument being that
   animals suffer more from an arrow (that kills them by causing
   internal bleeding) than from a bullet (which knocks them uncon-
   scious immediately by hydrostatic shock).

I had heard that European countries where bowhunting is still illegal
are reconsidering the issue due the equipment that is currently used.
Since the modern equipment can kill quite quickly and surely, I heard
bowhunting might be relegalized.  Is such a thing really happening?

   Swedish bowhunters go to Finland and Denmark to hunt.

   Anyway, the most popular type of archery competition here is
   the "hunting round" which usually consists of 2 x 15 targets
   in the shape of animals. The targets do not move. They vary in
   size from a medium-sized bird to a life-size moose. The archers
   do not know the distances. Three arrows may be shot at each
   target:
   1st arrow in heart circle gives 15 points
   1st arrow in body gives 12 points
   2nd arrow in heart circle is 10 points
   2nd arrow in body is 7 points
   3rd arrow in heart circle is 5 points
   3rd arrow in body is 2 points

   Only one arrow is counted.

   Is there anything like this outside Europe?

This is extrremely common where I live in Wisconsin.  The scoring is
a bit different (sometimes 20/15/10 first shot, 15/10/5 second shot
and sometimes 15/10/5 and 7/5/2).  The rest of the rules are the same.

The course are designed to duplicate realistic hunting conditions.
The have long shots and short shots.  Shots over creeks and ponds.
Uphill shots and downhill shots.  And shots from treestands. All the
shots are at unknown distances.

The targets are also variable.  The most popular competitions use
special foam targets that are 3D images of the animals.  Other courses
use carboard or burlap targets over bales of excellsier(sp?) to stop
the arrows.  Another type of course lets archers use thier broadheads
(hunting arrowheads).  These courses use a cardboard target in front
of a pile of sand to stop the arrows.

On any given weekend, there is usually at least on competition withing
30 miles of Madison, Wisconsin.

tim
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From: badger@wixer.cactus.org (Badger)
Subject: Traditional Archery, anyone?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:19:58 GMT

	Does anyone out there do traditional archery?  I've just started  
Fletching, and am pcyching up to attack a srick of ash with sharp implements and hack away everything that doesn't look like a longbow...


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From: puc@aber.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Arrow materials
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:17:46 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Hi, 

Could anyone post info on materials available for arrows, I use carbon
tubes for making kites but am confused by the types of composites available.
Useful info would include:

type of composite (eg aluminium/carbon)
manufacturer
weight per unit length
relative stiffness
strength


Many thanks

Paul
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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: take down arrows?
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:34:56 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <swood.716265341@vela> swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) writes:
>I was just goofing around with my take down recurve today, and
>thought, "Why are there no take down arrows?"  I made a new case
>
>I am still toying with ideas on wood take-downs, but I think I
>will try to case down some materials for aluminum take downs in
>the next few days.  Anyone ever try anything like this?
>
>swood
>

Curt, an acquaintance of mine that lives in Conrad, MT, makes some jim-dandy 
take-down wood arrows. They are of fine quality and fly quite well. I
don't know his prices. If anyone is interested I can get his address, etc.

I don't know of anyone who makes take-down aluminum arrows commercially. 
There isn't much of a demand for take-down arrows. Curt makes them for 
cougar hunters. I guess that you need at least two free hands when trying 
to keep up with the dogs while chasing a cat. The hunter(s) usually take 
down their arrows and bow(s) and put them in their backpack. (I imagine that 
they would be handy for chasing bear too. I wouldn't know since hunting bear 
w/ dogs or over bait is illegal in MT.)

Anyhow if anyone is interested in some take-down arrows let me know. 


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From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Fita rules
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:18:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

A couple of people asked a bit more about Fita. Here's the address for Fita,
if anyone's interested:

        Fita Executive Office
        Via Cerva, 30
        Milano
        Italy

In response to the question about Fita Field Archery, Fita recognise three bow
styles (Barebow, Freestyle, and Compound). They define a Fita field round,
which is shot at concentric ring targets, and a Fita forest round, which can
be shot at printed animal targets.

Briefly,

        The Fita Field round is 72 arrows (3 per target on 24 targets), half
shot at unmarked distances and half at marked distances (they can be shot over
12 targets unmarked first time round, then marked second time round). There
are 3 targets in the marked and 3 in the unmarked section each with these
sizes of faces: 20cm, 40cm, 60cm, 80cm. The distance at which these are placed
varies with set ranges for the unmarked courses (but the course designer can
try to confuse the archers by putting smaller targets on oversized bosses).
The Fita field targets are on a white background, with a white spot scoring 5,
and then black, grey, black, and grey rings for 4, 3, 2, 1. The ratio of the
ring radii is 2:3:4:5:6 for 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

        The Fita Forest round is any number of units of 12 targets, 3 arrows
per target, shot at unmarked distances. The targets have an inner ring and an
outer ring, and only the best shot is counted, with 15/10/5 for the inner ring
(first/second/third shot), and 8/4/2 for the outer ring. 

a.
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From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery, anyone?
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:50:12
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
NNTP-Posting-Host: meryl.csd.uu.se
In-reply-to: badger@wixer.cactus.org's message of Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:19:58 GMT

Kenneth W Scott asks if any of us do traditional archery.
Depending on what you mean, I suppose my answer might be
a yes. I shoot a longbow sometimes, that is. Wooden arrows
with goose fletching, but I do use plastic nocks, dacron
string and the bow is a laminated flatbow.

There are some people here in Sweden who make their own
bows and shoot the natural way; however, since I am more
interested in shooting than in making the stuff, I have not
bothered...

Ake Eldberg
From: shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Arrow materials
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:11:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <VADER.92Sep10203413@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
>Paul Crowley asks about arrow materials.
>
>Paul, I think you should go to some shop that sells archery
>equipment and ask for an Easton catalogue, and possibly a
>Beman catalogue. 

 Both these companies are willing to distribute catalogs and brochures, but
 will only deal directly with jobbers, dealers and some retail distributors.
 As an individual, your chances of getting on this list are quite low.  Two
 good sources for discount retail parts are FS Discount Arrow and Bowhunter's
 Discount Warehouse, which are both mail order houses.  I don't have their
 addresses handy, but if you are interested I'll be happy to send them to you. 

 Other outfitters (such as Cabela's and Gander Mountain) have arrow components 
 as well, but don't have the selection that is generally available from an
 archery supply house.  The disadvantage, of course is the wait you must 
 endure while the order is being filled and shipped.  Generally, while ship-
 ping costs (+handling and insurance) add to the cost, these are defrayed by
 the fact that if you are ordering from out of state, the local and state 
 taxes do not apply, and are often equal to or in excess of the shipping cost.
 
 Shawn Boyd
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: compound problem
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:52:06
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
NNTP-Posting-Host: meryl.csd.uu.se

Shawn, thanks for your further comments and attempts to help me with
my tear problems!

Today I tried manipulating the steel thread on which the arrow
rests. It looks something like this:
 
x     x
 x   x x
  x x  x
   x   x
       x
       x
       x
       x
(seen from the string toward the bow)

and the arrow rests in the "v" shape. I twisted this slightly, to
make it absolutely right-angle to the arrow, as seen from above,
and lo! The tear was suddenly down to about 3/4 inch. Obviously,
fractions of a millimeter can mean a lot with this type of rest.
However, no amount of manipulation & twisting could make the
right tear go away completely.

Next, I raised the mechanism of the arrow rest in order to get
a lower angle on the thread. Seen from the side, it was pointing
about 60-70 degrees up, and the manual says it should be 45 degrees.
I guess a lower angle will give it more flex:

   <<<---arrow---<<<             <<<---arrow---<<<
     x                             x
     x                              x
     x                               x
     x                                x

The situation to the left will give little or no flex, the one
to the right will. Hope this is intelligible...
This improved the situation slightly, but not enough.

I then set the bow down to very light -- I have no gauge but it
feels like 45# or so. This produced an absolutely clean hole in
the paper from 2.5 meters. I still get some arrows sticking out
of the target at weird angles, which may indicate a fishtailing
problem, but observers are unable to visually confirm this. It's
possible that these errors are caused by my sloppy shooting...

I have not been able to do a powder test yet, because I haven't found
a suitable powder and it has been _raining_ for several days.

The bow makes a lot of noise. Someone said that this may be normal
for Hoyts, others say that it can be dealt with by twisting the
cables to tense or relax them. I dont know if this has anything
to do with the tear problem.

It seems strange that I should have to shoot the bow at such a low
setting, considerably less than what the arrows are spined for.
It is even stranger that *underspined* arrows would produce an
error typical for overspined ones. Life is strange, sometimes...

Next, I plan to do the powder test. I will also take your advice
and get a stiffer arrow, to do a comparison.

Thanks again for your assistance. Will get back with results.

]ke
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From: melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin)
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:48:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <RIGG.92Sep7223352@osnome.che.wisc.edu>, rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
[stuff deleted] 
|> I had heard that European countries where bowhunting is still illegal
|> are reconsidering the issue due the equipment that is currently used.
|> Since the modern equipment can kill quite quickly and surely, I heard
|> bowhunting might be relegalized.  Is such a thing really happening?
[stuff deleted]

For germany I haven't heard or read that bowhunting might be legalized.

The following is my personal opinion:
But for this our legislation has to recognize a bow as a proper weapon.
Because our governmental nuts believe that everyone who has access to a 
weapon is a potential assasin who will start shooting people someday, 
access to arms (even for sports) is severly restricted (some  
politicians even want to ban these arms). Thus recognizing a bow as a
proper weapon for hunting, will eventually make even target archery next
to impossible, because then one would have to get a special permit to
posses a bow, buy a new one and to shoot one... 
So IMHO I hope that bowhunting will not be legalized, because I like 
archery too much...

Anyway
good shooting,
and good hunting (or whatever the bowhunters say to wish good luck)

Stephan
 
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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Tapes of PBS Broadcast
Date: 8 Sep 1992 12:48:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Due to a scheduling fuck-up (mine), I missed taping the DCI Championships
when they were shown on the Detroit PBS station.  Could I have a copy
of this year's broadcast, please?  I'll send you a blank tape and a
self-addressed, stamped (padded) envelope for your trouble.
 
Vince
From: c188-bu@po.berkeley.edu (Gregory German)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Tapes of PBS Broadcast
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:06:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Hey folks.  Seems I made a scheduling error as well and missed the finals
broadcast as well.  Is there anyone out there who can make me a copy if
I send them a blank tape?

Thanks,

Greg German
Moderator Man (an obscure reference some of you may recognize)
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:18:13 GMT

cdoser@polari.online.com writes:

>Bob,
>Were you talking about seeing Vanguard or Crossmen?

Vanguard.

>I saw the 1980 Vanguard show and was just blown away then. But then
>I also loved the basis of the music. Can anyone here name the arranger
>of the version of Planets that they used? I'm still mad that they got
>burned that year. They were ahead of their time. They "Zigged" first,
>before Garfield did.

Amen.

I remember the rumors circulating through the bus, "the Vanguard
actually uses *asymetrical* forms in their show!"  What gets me is how
*clean* they were.  I was astounded.  Like I said before, I consider
this show to be a textbook example of marching style.

We had copies of State of the Art, and we spent a lot of time trying to
imagine how "wierd" a show could get.  (Awesome version of Caravan
too!)

(Of couse the "Garfield" of that time was 27th, since Zingali was there.
Their '80 drill was great too, but it didn't push the envelope like SCV
did.  I have to believe a lot of this was limits put on him by the
Bonafiglio's - I hope I spelled that right.  Zingali didn't get *really*
creative until Garfield '82.)

Later,
Bob

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From: jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl (Jeroen Thur)
Subject: Re: Surprise
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:41:51 GMT

rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:

>I think the only European corps I've ever seen was the Blue Eagles (is
>this right?) when the toured the US in '90 (or '91?)  Evidently,
>European drum corps has come a long way in the last few years.

Beatrix (a Dutch corps) also toured the US in '90. They didn't make it to
the finals...
I also remember that the Boston Crusaders visited Holland in '81 or '82
but I haven't seen them...

Once in Nice (France) we met a Japanese corps from Kyoto (I think). About 
120 girls (!) and 1 man (drum major). They were also very good. If I'm
right those girls studied music science (or something like that) and
they practiced a lot.
I think I still have the address of one of those girls...

Greetings,

Jeroen (jeroen@cs.few.eur.nl)
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Devils' Percussion-what the #@$%*%^($# is wrong?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:26:19 GMT

cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>Again, I am curious as to why the Devils' percussion is one of the lowest rated
>of the top corps.  It was kind of neat to have their percussion caption read 
>"6 6 6" (for field, ensemble, and total).  I would much rather it be at least
>4's, though.

>Is it their battery, their pit, their arrangement, or what?

Well, I gave BD's percussion a bad review mid-way through the season.
Their book was pretty straight forward, and at that point it was still
pretty dirty.  They cleaned up towards the end of the season, but by
that time they had even watered an already watered down book.

To take high drums anymore, you really have to push the envelope.  BD
just didn't do that.  Look at Cavies, they had innovative equipment (the
lathed sticks, the Irish bass drum sticks - I really don't know what
these things are called, and the snares on the upper bass drums.)  On
top of that they had incredibly expressive music that also had a great
deal of difficulty.  Crossmen are another one of my favorite drumlines.
They have such a unique style and their arrangements really accent the
rest of what's going on.

>Any ideas that would help me to figure out why, for the past 3 or 4 years, the
>Devils' percussion has finished so low would be greatly appreciated.

Well, in the final analysis, it probably is closely related to the
Floats leaving a couple of years ago.  (As a matter of fact, I think it
is going to be *very* interesting to watch VK in the future.  Wouldn't
it be incredible if Tom Float can win 3 or 4 drum titles with them too?)

Later,
Bob

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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: cadet's t-shirt quote
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:34:04 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep13.151504.15560@husc3.harvard.edu>, fath1@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> There was some talk a while back about the Cadet's t-shirt  quotes.  I didn't 
> see a post with this year's so I thought I'd do it.  This is copied without 
> permission from the Cadet's or the author :-).
> 
> 	Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
> 	Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men 
> 	  experience it.
> 	Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
> 			--Helen Keller
> 
> Does anyone have any info or ideas as to why the Cadet's chose this quote
> for this year?
> 
> Posted with permission on Michael's account.  --kim fath
> 
They may have tried to use this to convey certain perfomance values.  Meaning
that they had to attack their show fearlessly.  If you try to do a "safe" show,
you wind up performing inside of yourself rather than performing out.  Also, if
you perform simply to avoid a certain mistake you may make a different one.  
When I marched, I was taught that since we knew and memorized our show, we 
should take a chance with it, and if we did make a mistake, it should have been
a big one caused by performing on the edge.

					Charles Holt
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Tape of Broadcast
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.195416.22507@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>
>I also think that a hi-fi stereo copy of the entire broadcast (top 12) is
>available from 800 Video Express for around a $100.00.  (Although I
>could be wrong about this, but I know they *used* to have such a deal.)
>

800 Video Express sells the Finals tapes for $89 ($79 [or is it $69?]
if you order before the week of Finals).

The tape is of the top 12 corps and is multiple angled.  To get a
high camera tape, you have to order the quarterfinals tape, which
has all 25 performances of the corps that made DCI membership.
This 3-tape set costs $150 ($125 if you order before the week before
Finals).

They also have all the tapes from 1972 until the present.  If you
want to get the championship performances of the winners of DCI
from 1972-1989 (or is it 1990?), they have a tape for that, too,
for $150.  If you want a tape of the last 17 (or so) years of,
say, Phantom Regiment, they have tapes of that, also.

This stuff gets expensive really fast.

I do not have the address or phone numbers on me (the address is
somewhere in Palantine, IL).  More things to put in the FAQ ...

-- Donald
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Matchpoint
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:46:07 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <Sep08.221250.51107@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
> 
> The Colts played a piece a few years ago called "Matchpoint".
> Does anyone know who wrote it and who recorded it?  I'd like to
> get a recording of the original version.
> 
> Scott

I'm digging thru my old programs.....GRRRR!!! It seems they didn't tell anyone
who wrote it!  The staff certainly didn't tell us that year....I wish I knew
'cause I'd like a copy also!  Since '89 all our staff has changed and I am no
longer in touch with them. Drat. :[ 
Sorry I can't help you...but if I find out I will certainly let you know!

Brooke
Colts
Soprano '89
Mellophone '90-'93
From: hakari@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Awfully frickin' stressed out with finals...)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Wanna borrow the PBS broadcast?
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:51:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN



If anyone's interested, I taped the whole PBS broadcast live off of my local
PBS station.  If you'd like to borrow the tape, contact me.  Sorry, but I can't
copy it for you, as I don't have one, let alone two, VCR's here at school.


Andrea Hakari
hakari@stolaf.edu
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