From: vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: RAPE/INCEST MYTH/FACT
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:59:35 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

In article <1992Jul21.192653.16300@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = (Gregory S Clausen) writes:
>
>>In response to Mark Ira Kaufman:
>>   One of the techniques to support a woman's constitutional right 
>>to abortion is to focus on some difficult aspect of abortion.  
>
>And one technique used to justify forced birth is concentrating on
>third-term abortions, injecting child support into the discussion, 
>pushing the laughable tenet that women are "victims" of abortion, or more
>amazingly, linking forced-birth to some supernatural being's wishes.

Did I mention God in the above sentence?

>>One favorite ploy used by the less intelligent pro-abortion fanatics 
>>is to evoke the subject of abortions resulting from pregnancies
>>initiated by rape or incest. 
>
>One favorite ploy used by THIS el stupido forced-birther is to ignore the
>fact that, no matter how small or large the number of women pregnant from
>rape or incest, IT ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN.  And showing the compassion of a
>snake, people like Clausen discount those miserable victims.

My, my, it seems I have struck a nerve.  I acknowledge third trimester 
abortions and pregnancies resulting from rape or incest.  Pro-abortionists
can only focus on the latter.

>>They evoke the subject as if it were some 
>>significant part of the big picture of abortion in America.  
>
>They invoke the subject of third term abortions as if it were some 
>significant part of the big picture of abortion in America.

You're repeating Mr. Kaufman.

>>It is usually suggested by these zealots that there are thousands of women 
>>in America who are being impregnated daily by rapists and family members.
>
>I've _never_ heard this figure from a pro-choicer.  I don't suppose you can
>substantiate this unlikely claim?

Is satire too much for you?  Perhaps you might wish to read Mr. Kaufman's 
piece which initiated mine.

>>   Even someone as publicly untutored as Mark Ira Kaufman should know
>>by now that rape/incest abortions are fewer than three percent 
>>all the abortions performed in America.  
>
>What a fucking asshole.  

Your intelligence and large vocabulary are beginning to shine.

>So, out of the 1.6 million abortions you whine
>about every year, a "mere" 48,000 women would have their lives screwed over
>by fascists like Clausen.  (BTW, Greg, you *do* know most rapes go
>unreported, no?  Wouldn't that raise the percentage of rape-related
>abortions?  Ah, never mind.  Fanatics can't incorporate facts too well.)

[Cut and Paste] Is satire too much for you?  Perhaps you might wish 
to read Mr. Kaufman's piece which initiated mine.

>But, I _do_ see your point, Greggie.  Using your (inaccurate) figures,
>instead of *thousands* of women impregnated daily by rape, it's *only* 130
>women a day.

[Cut and Paste] Is satire too much for you?  Perhaps you might wish 
to read Mr. Kaufman's piece which initiated mine.  For the slow-witted,
I was using hyperbole to poke fun at Mr. Kaufman's piece.

>>Abortion Stops a Beating Heart.
>
>Um, no.  You know that this is a lie in the vast majority of abortions.

Well, yes.  See my earlier post regarding the development of the heart.
You do mean induced abortions don't you?  You wouldn't be hiding behind
the skirts of spontaneous abortions?  Oh, but yes, you do mean induced
abortions since you used the figure 1.6 million per year with the term
abortion.

>Are _all_ your arguments based on intentional bullshit?

Only if your definition of bovine excrement includes facts with which you
choose not to agree.

--
Abortion Stops a Beating Heart.