HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Random thought - a lesson
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:11:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zygote.hsc.usc.edu


In <101341@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>I used to like a netter's signature:

You used the term "used to". Does that mean that you don't like
it any more? :-)

>(signature deleted)
>Yah, a smile, an embarrased smile: "We were shocked at that time, sorry."
>I guess that will be enough, people then will forget.

Yes, our great sage told us, "Zhi1 Chi3 Jin4 Fu1 Yong3" (Being
able to admit one's mistake [shame] is close to bravery).

>Never try to flame the persons who remember and publish what you said, that
>would make yourself a fool.

I don't know why you said this. Can we know what prompted you to
"You3 Gan3 Er2 Fa1"?  :-)

I have read the latest articles of Mr. History Anonymous
forwarded by you to this net. I really admire his knowledge on
Chinese and Western histories. I believe that he deserves this
title "Mr. History" more than anyone else on this net. I was
highly impressed when he pointed out that it was "Zong1 Que4" who
said:

	  Cheng2 Chang2 Feng1 Puo4 Wan4 Li3 Lang4.

However, Mr. History seems to have a short temper and the "Zi4
Li3 Hang2 Jian1" (between the words and the lines) of his
articles often seemed to be filled with sarcasm. Here I would like
to share this saying of Confucius with other netters. Let us
"Gong4 Mian3 Zhi1" (help each other to try our best):

	  Jun1 Zi3 Zhi1 Zheng1, Bi4 Ye3 Rang4 Fu1.
	  (The arguments of gentlemen are established on the
	   basis of yielding to each other.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Have fun?
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:10:22 EST
Organization: Penn State University


          The election is over. The fighting on SCC is still
          undergoing.

          Around the card( green or red, whatever), all words
          you might not  hear in your life appeared in posts
          without any cover like ** .

          I  don't believe you guys love or don't love democracy
          so much that you lose self-respect and respects to others,
          and enjoy such ugly attacks.

          I just don't understand that how much fun the fightings
          have brought to you guys. Maybe it's fun of playing
          without rule.

          X Xu
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Random thought - a lesson
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:01:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University

What can I do if I said something which I regret later???

I used to like a netter's signature:

*******************************************************************************

  Geoffrey (Zhengfu) Liu              How can I not be embarrased when someone
                                      Points out my mistakes and stupidity?
  CIS Ph.D. Program                   A smile, an embarrased smile?  Yap,
  University of Hawaii at Manoa       Then go ahead to correct those mistakes,
  Phone: 956-5839(O) 536-3219(H)      And throw the stupidity into a trash can.

********************************************************************************

Yah, a smile, an embarrased smile: "We were shocked at that time, sorry."
I guess that will be enough, people then will forget.

Never try to flame the persons who remember and publish what you said, that
would make yourself a fool.

--
From: pwu@espresso.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Hurray!
Date: 7 Nov 1992 06:34:35 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu

Acording to NYT --

Thanks to the Brooklyn-based Wonton Food Co., China will soon have fortune
cookies. Until now, the cookies, which cap off just about every meal served in
most of America's 30,000 Chinese restaurants, have been unknown and gone
untasted in China. Like hot dogs, pizza, and, more particularly, chop suey and
chow mein, they are essentially American concoctions.  Wonton Foods, which
produces a million fortune cookies a day in New York, has decided the time is
propitious to go east with the fortune cookie. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29677 soc.culture.taiwan:15121 soc.culture.hongkong:13914
From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (BuBuBuBill. Bat Man? no, i am one of the x-men)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Pause the Chinese character argument (T vs. S)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:39:44 GMT
Organization: X-MEN STUDIO

In article <1992Nov5.153628.4561@asl.dl.nec.com> ho@aslslc119.asl.dl.nec.com (C. L. Ho) writes:

>>so, you want to compare the history and the population. ok, you get it.
>>the complex character system has servered for chinese people for thousands
>>of years.  the sum of people who use the complex characters through time
>>is more than hundred billions.
>

>  Back to the future?

 i learned chinese character in taiwan, but i also can read simplified 
chinese character.  there are several friends from mainland told me that
they have difficulty to read complex chinese character, is this the
reason to against complex character system?

 who decide to use simplified character? born to learn that has to guard
for that decision which made by the people's GOD, in fact, no argue needed,
just use machine gun aim my head and force me to choose what you like, if
i don't, pooon.....

 may GOD bless this people's GOD, and may people's GOD bless you guys who
still believe he was right....and bring you with him together...forever ;-)
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:54:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Nov11.164511.505434@sue.cc.uregina.ca>  (Yongfei Yan) writes:
>>Chinese educated people used to be known as very polite and gentleman like.
>>After all destruction of Chinese culture due to internal long time struggle
>>among CCP members, and so largerly influenced the common people, Chinese
>>people seem don't care to respect the olds, the teachers and those repectable
>This is not true. 
>
FYI, just read some of Shanon and protection bill related postings,
you would convince yourself how rude those people are, and how wild the
languages they used in the public network.

>>people. After long time hatrd education, all educated young generation only
>>know how to blame KMT and Chiang everything was done 40 something years ago,
>>on the other hand they don't seem to know that each generation of people do
>>have some responsibility to the society, to the nation, simply don't care.
>I can't agree. 

FYI, pick up some of politics related or non-politics related postings,
you will constantly find: Chiang bala bala..., KMT bala bala....

> I bet most of the Chinese people are still concerned
>about their country. 

It is estimated 80,000 of mainland Chinese will apply protection bill.
And recent CCTV reported that 180 millions are the "don't care".

>For thousands of years, we Chinese people have never had a government
>that allows us to contribute to the society FREELY.

This is not true. We Chinese people do have a good structure government
that was adapted by Sun based on the US government structure to modify
for China needs, and is the basis of constitution of ROC.
CCP and their supporters just cannot allow that comes to real life.
If CCP really respect Sun, why they destroyed everything, or put aside
everything that Sun proposed many decades ago?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR)
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:11:20 GMT

In article <16848@umd5.umd.edu> shicheng@ruflie.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:

>>Just imagine what could happen if Bill Clinton ever begged Russian's protection
>>claiming possible persecution back home for his anti-war stance.
>>
>	Wrong too. If US gvnmt had killed its people using tanks and
>	machine guns, and prisoned students who took part in peace
>	demonstrations, and suppressed its people continously,
>	and if Russia had been a democratic country then,
>	he would have seeked protection too. He would have
>	been right too.
 
Do you think everybody would be as


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hsue@ellis.uchicago.edu (marc jacobson)
Subject: Infor Wanted: Chinese Words Processor
Reply-To: hsue@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:45:39 GMT

Hi,

Could anyone tell me where I can FTP Chinese word processor.
I need to type a number of big and fancy Chinese characters for
for letterhead stationery.  Thank you.

Regards
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Any response from CG to Clinton's Election?
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:22:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <12NOV199221284985@utkvx2.utk.edu> abc@wam.umd.edu writes:
>AI know, CG would like to see Bush to be re-elected.  Is there any
>response from CG to the Clinton's big victory?  I am just wondering,
>since I have no People's Daily any, and I do not want to spend a
>quater to buy a copy.

There are surely respoonses from CG.  I hope your paper does keep you
informed so that you don't have to ask using the net-resource which 
cost much more than a quater.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Wonder!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:04:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <83051@ut-emx.uucp> viczhu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (yi zhu) writes:
> ......
>    I feel ashame to be a chinese here.
            ^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
You may feel less shameful by a) change your nationality (not really
posible), or b) not to be "here".

Y.Duan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:22:20 GMT

In article <BxKAGq.730@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> In article <101457@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> >In article <BxIE5n.HAC@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> >>(deleted)
> >>Low RMB rate helps export in some sense, but it hurts import of hi-tech,
> >>human resource exchange etc. The RMB rate has to be raised back to 
> >>reflect the purchasing ability some time, but not necessarily now.
> >
> >Old Lix is available whenever needed. Please raise the rate as you prefer,
> >I change as much RMB into US$$$ as you prefer, then I change US$$$ into
> >RMB in a free-exchange center in Shanghai or Beijing. The difference will be
> >donated to SOS China Education Fund, thanks for your help.
> 
> For this reason, it can not be done now. However, at least US$1bn had become
> wealth storage method in China. This kind of demand of "hard currencies"
> should shrink when RMB goes higher. 
> 
> 

What a beautiful blue sky! 
Yeah, indeed. Can't be better! Hey, look, there is a pig flying in the sky!!

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Voting Rights
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:57:12 GMT

In article <9211060307.AA03781@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> phsjjc@unix.cc.emory.edu (James J. Cen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.185048.17156@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.
>mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>
>>Who have voting rights in the US? Can people who have green cards
>>vote in US elections?
>
>	Only citizens can vote.  People with green cards have NO voting rights,
>Although they enjoy all other rights (and pay taxes) like voting citizens.  
>There are talks of reform in this regard in some states with large recent
>immigrant populations, for example, California.
>

I think permanent resident who have real-estate investment in Ontario
are allowed to vote in the local elections. And they can voice their
concern to the local government. Seems more democratic than US, eh?
But on the other hand, when Canada had this plebiscite on the constitutional
reform(which was turned down) recently, only citizens were allowed to
vote.

>>If one really wants to exercise his/her voting
>>rights, can he/she arrange to vote in Chinese elections in the district
>>where he/she came from?
>
>You can't be serious.  Where are you from anyway?
>

I am just a little nostalgic about my first and last voting experience
when I was an undergrad, that's all. When do I get to vote again? :-(

>>Fan
>
>a Fan of yours :)

How about some charitable donation? :-)

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you Jealous?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:25:40 GMT

Referring to the famous term 'Rubber Stamp'
We have to admitted that in china, there is no true voting right for
the people.
Problem is wether the voting right so admirable. 
If you have right to vote, others also, you are not in an advantage
position to others.
If you don't have, others either, all people are still equal.
If voting system so good, we could accept it in the future when the time comes.
If not, we could be proud of ourself from now on.
In China, if you follow the trends, I think you have enough opportunity to
succeed in the society, everybodyelse also, that's equality. Ofcourse 
one's family backgroud is also important in China, but in USA also.


Yi Fang
From: jialo@dso031.sch.ge.com (Jia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Test Again
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:16:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Power Generation

Test again! Sorry!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: To Died
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:43:35 GMT

In article <92310.115805YONGFUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <YONGFUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>Someone live to die, someone lie to live.

We all lie to live, especially during CR.          Tingli Pan
From: yzf00@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Yihong Fan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Return visa for persons after 4/11/90
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:14:59 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


 
Hi, my friend came here after 4/11/90 and wants to go back CHina for a
small trip, can he apply and GET the return visa here before his leaving?

Thank you for your help and time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 04:50:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.190950.11488@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?
>>
>>i.......
>>Yi Fang
>
>The answer is quite obvious. Just look at ourselves as an example.
>I believe every one has made thousands decisions in their life. And I
>think it is generally true that when you have consulted knowledgable
>friends before making the decisions you will likely to make  a good
>decisions. But, if none of your friendd can give you any constructive
>suggestion, you may just decide it by yourself and it is not necessary to
>be a bad one. So, the point is when the majority can be consulted, listen
>to them, but when the majority is not able to make any sense, why bother to
>listen to them. So, the conclusion is simple, the success of democracy
>greatly depends on the education of the majority and it may fail much worse
>than a dictator when the majority are illiteracy.
>
>Yi-Chieh

How do you know the educators are good guys instead of bad guys ?
How can you quanratee the educated people consider also for poor people's
interest ?  The question is the same as that how can you quarantee the
white work for the black if the black have no any influence on the white.

J Su

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: jfl@creek.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:33:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov6.153308.14428
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)

In article <Bx83H6.DyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> 
|> As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
|> The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
|> are in the hand of the non-consented few.
|> 
|> What a misery!
|> 
|> Shame on you, Chinese!

Why Bill Cliton  become president is more complitcated than 
a simple election.
Look around the world and don't tie evertying to one reason.
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: united
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92313.225742IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes...
>Organization: University of Maine System
>Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 17:19:03 EST
>From: <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Message-ID: <92313.171903IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: let's help each other
> 
>Today I got a message that some chinese scholars and students have
>founded an organization "North American Geologist Association"?(some
>thing like that)> I think it is a very good start since right now
>the students like me who are not covered by S1216 need to be organized
>desperately in order to face our tough situation.
>I believe most of the chinese students who got here not so long and had
>not strong enough social relation suffered a lot about job hunting or
>legal immigration status preservation.We need help.
>Again I believe it is better to beg to ourself than to other people.
>Any way we are not stupid. If we start to work togather in stead of
>complaint ,waiting and panic-stricken, our life will be more positive
>and new chinese students can suffer less. I don'n want isolate ourself
>from the   help provided by other group of people.Relying on ourself
>should be the most important.
>I hope the chinese students who are majored in social science can give
>us some better ideas and can put forward some detail suggestion about
>how to organize us and how this orgnization should function.
> 
>We are weak,so we should be united. Learn something from Japanese.


See ? The hard work of Shannon's people finally paid off. We are going
to have another CSS organization. Let's fight.

How to fight more efficiently? I have a suggestion,let's first lobby the 
U.S. goverment to give all CSS "blood-card". If they cannot do that,then
tell them not to give anyone of us "blood-card",because this is the land
of equal oppertunity.

And also,don't forget to tell them that when you go out to find a job,you 
are only competing with CSS,not with hundreds of thousands of Americans 
and other immigrants.

Guess who will win ?
From: tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:22:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov11.062209.6371
Distribution: na
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <1992Nov10.53073.4912@genie.uottawa.ca> bing@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Bin Gu) writes:
>Hello folks,
> 
>Does anyone out there know where I can find a PAL video camera?
>I want to buy a camcorder that can be used in P.R. China. 
>Any useful suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

You can buy a PAL video camara by mail or in New York city (I got this 
information from Popular Photographic). But I don't have the magazine right now, other wise I can tell you the store name and tellphone number (usually they have 800 number). 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.164727.2814@athena.cs.uga.edu> fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang) writes:
>General Q:
>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?
>
>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?
>
>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?
>
>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 
>
>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 
>
>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?
>
>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??
>
>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?
>
>(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?
>
>etc.
>
>These are just question, not statements.
>
>
>Yi Fang

Anyone who can answer these questions without prompting follow-ups
is the best choice for the president of China.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: Kansas,Miss Lu Xing,Beijing
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:40:27 GMT



If you happen to know Miss Lu Xing, a Chinese girl now studying in
Kansas (not sure), would you please kindly tell me her address or tel#
or email#?

Thank you. Miss Lu came from Tsinghua U. Beijing in 1990.