From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULTS:  The Legion of...well, you know.
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:12:50 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

All anti-LNHers - exit now if you'd prefer not to have your favorite
theories destroyed.

In article <1992Nov20.035819.2958@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> 
> Here are the results of the straw poll concerning the LNH:
> 
> In favour of removing LNH postings from r.a.c.misc:

<lotsa names, many of whom fell into the same category as me and Scav
 -saying "allow it so long as LNH is in the header" - deleted (whew)>

> For a total of 41 votes.
> (according to my tally sheet it was 46, so I've lost 5 votes somewhere)

Point by point reply (my final word, I *promise!*):

> Yea, get rid of 'em! A waste of time and space.
Yeah, so's that Vertigo stuff.  Who cares who the Prodigal is!  Let's
get it, too... 

> Hopefully enough people feel the same way so we could convince
> those posting the LNH stuff to stay in their own group.
Well, we would if whoever the nerd was that got a.c.lnh registered
wouldn't have messed up the process for us...
 
> Your effort in trying to get rid of them is appriciated.
<My obligatory comment about freedom of speech not even inserted>
  
> Hear hear!!! I'm also pretty sick of seeing these guys masturbate in public.
Excuse me, sir, but I don't do that in public.
  Er, umm, that's not quite what I meant... 

> I agree -- I find the LNH posts annoying to plow through.  There is a group
> for that purpose- why not use it??
(refer to the way an anti-LNHer messed up us acquiring our own group
through the proper channels...)
 
> LNH should be limited to alt.comics.lnh.  I think the problem is that many
> people do not get a.c.lnh yet.
My sentiments exactly...
 
> I totally agree with you.  Let's get these people out of here.  It seems they 
> do nothing constructive and waste everyones time.
Excuse me, but this is rec.arts.comics.misc.  See - "comics".  Isn't
this what most people say about comics? 

> I vote agin 'em, they're impossible to kill and they have their own group.
Incorrect and see above. 

> Please tally my vote *against* the LNH goofballs.  If they want to swamp
> something, let them create a mailing list.
  1) No swamping involved - 10-12 posts/week or so
  2) Mailing list - requires someone to take care of it and the posts
are too long to make it efficient.
 
> please do add my vote against the LNH, i do so hate reading all of
> those useless postings multiple times.
As I do Vertigo.  We're going to ban them soon, just you wait.
 
> ...I think it's stupid, boring, self-congratulatory, and has nothing to do 
> with comics...if people want to play little LNH games, that's fine, but they
> really should find their own space to do it in.
  "Stupid" - I probably think the same about many things you enjoy. 
"Self-congratulatory" - maybe you ought to post the same thing to
alt.creative.startrek.  "Nothing to do with comics..." - wrong, bucko
(see my post earlier).  Our own group - that's what we were trying to
do before...
 
> I agree.  They have no business in a group dedicated to
> the sequential art--besides they have their own group in the alt.
> heirarchy.
(See previous posts for a complete refutation of both points) 
 
> YES!!!!!!!  Death to the LNH!!!!!!!!!
No! You're not sending that @#$%^&* Vertigo character over!?!

> Seriously, these people are truly annoying, and I have the same
> killfile problems as you do.
(Addressed below) 
 
> I don't care either way if the children want to play with their
> drivel and mindrot, but I DO wish (and have told a few of them) that
> they'd use a damn "LNH" header so I CAN killfile all that dreck.
I would flame you, but there's no point.  Concerns addressed below.
  
> I agree.  They have their own group, and should stay there.
(Addressed and refuted before) 

> And I was <deleted>, back when it was mildly entertaining to flame them 
> while pretending to play along...I ignore them now, and hope to high heaven
> that they've left me out of it.
S'okay, "we don't want your kind around anyway" (insert :+) for the
satire-impaired)

> YES! PLEEEEEEASE KEEP THE LNH IN A.C.LNH WHERE THEY BELONG! 
> They were amusing LAST YEAR but the joke has grown very, very, very tired.
> Please keep the 900 line "epics" of redundancy in a.c.lnh WHICH WAS
> DESIGNED FOR THE EXPLICIT PURPOSE of keeping the LNH OUT of r.a.c.*
Ha.  a.c.lnh was not *designed*.  Therein lies the problem.

> I agree.  Too much bandwidth, and too hard to ignore.
Once again, no problem, so long as we get rid of all the stuff *I*
don't want here, too.
 
> YES!!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!
Rape the women, plunder their accounts, etc. etc. etc.  :+)

> I was waiting for somebody (anybody) else to complain.
> I agree - dump the whole lot of the LNH posts.
Be nice if it was in accordance with net rules.
 
> Yes, the LNH must die, go away, cease to function, become inopperative,
> whatever....but they should go away!  I don't care about it, it's garbage,
> rubbish, junk and a waste of bandwidth I might add.
See above for Vertigo argument. 
 
> I agree wholeheartedly that the LNH is annoying as anything...
 
> You'd better believe it, Jim.  They have their own group; I say they keep
> it in there.  They have ceased to be a spoof of comics and become an
> annoyance.
"Ceased to be a spoof..."?  I take it you haven't actually *read*
LNH...
  
> my preferences, in order from most preferred to least preferred
> 
> 0. LNH falls into a screaming void, never to be heard from again
We'll follow Vertigo discussions...
> 1. LNH leaves racm forever, for some mailing list that I don't read
See above for holes in theory.
> 2. LNH leaves racm forever, for some newsgroup that I don't read
See above for reasons why not.
> 3. LNH posters start including "LNH" at the beginning of their subject:
> lines to make them easier to kill
Actually, we're better about it than any other group on racm.
> 4. LNH learns to limit crossposting to < 3 newsgroups at a time
If only everybody got a.c.lnh...
> 5. LNH posters wear T-shirts with the letters "LNH" making _them_ easier
> to kill (joke! joke!)
Hahaha.
> 6. I give in disgust and stop reading racm
Your option.  Just like ours is to post here.
 
> Votes to keep the LNH in r.a.c.misc.:
<Names, including many non-LNHers (surprise!) deleted>
> For a total of 21 votes
 
> Select quotes (in no particular order):
> 
> ****
> 
> Count this as a vote for keeping the LNH on r.a.c.misc, with two qualifiers:
> 
> 1)  We consider moving LNH  after a bboard for LNH has been established
> and is accessible to all.  a.c.lnh does not fit this criterion.
> 2)  Anything concerning LNH that is posted or crossposted to r.a.c.m.
> should have the prefix "LNH:" in the subject line.  This way, people who
> do not wish to read LNH items have the option to killfile/easily skip
> said items.
Yep, that's what I say.  Too bad Vertigoers aren't as good about this
as we are...
  
> I SAY LET THEM STAY.
> 
> God bless Democracy.
Had to repeat this one.
 
> Thank you all for participating.
> 
> As a result of this poll, and the controversy started (and the flamewar
> initiated by the pro-LNH side)
I almost doubled over in laughter when I read this.  You started the
flaming, Mr. Cowling, I thought in response to the (tactless but appropriate)
question of *one* LNHer.  But I see below you didn't even read that
post until later, so you don't even have that excuse.

> I've noticed that now, all LNH postings are
> being prefixed.  So I'm happy for now.
No thanks to your or your "public service"; the notice was posted
before you started your flaming.

> However, if it goes back to the old situation, I would back a change to the
> r.a.c.misc charter to ban the LNH.
Sorry, no can do, unless you can prove we are off topic (which as I
stated before you can't). 

I apologize for spending this bandwidth on such a talked to death
subject, but I could not allow it to pass unchallenged.  Note that I
speak only for myself, not for the LNH, not for the Elders.

-Drizzt
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