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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:03:01 +0300
From:         Avner Haran <CFAVNER@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Greece
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

I came  back from Greece  2 days ago.  I enjoyed it very  much ! Most  tips I
got here  were good.  There was no  need to book  rooms, since  booking would
have made  it a lot  more expensive,  and when you  book, you never  know the
location  of  the  hotel you  choose.  It's true  that  in Santorini  it  was
impossible to find a  double room with private bath for  a cheap price, other
than the  one we were  taken to  from the  port.  ( So eventually,  we stayed
there.)  Also, there  were a  lot of  tourists everywhere,  which I  am sure,
raised the  prices quite a  lot. If  you can avoid  the hot season, (i.e. the
crowded season) DO IT !
Other  tips, like  "avoid" Anti-Paros  are  individual, and  depend on  one's
experience and one's mood that day. About Anti-Paros, it's better to take the
combined  tour  from  Paros.  (A   LOT  cheaper,  than  buying  each  segment
separately).
If you plan a domestic flight, book it a long time in advance (or you'll have
to go by boat...)
                   Thanks again for the good help,
                                                     Avner.
From: mrajab@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Contact in Trinidad
Date: 15 Jul 92 09:40:33 EDT
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

Hi,
	I'm looking for a contact in Trinidad.  I know that there is a
network set-up for the Caribbean countries called CUNet.  However, if
anyone from Trinidad is reading this newsgroup, please e-mail me.  I would
be interested in corresponding.  


Mustapha
MRAJAB@HPB.HWC.CA
From: gbtaylor@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gail B. Taylor)
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Subject: SanDiego
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:43:17 GMT
Organization: UB

Goin' to California....any ideas on good stuff to do in/near San Diego?

I've never been to Cali., and would like some tips from the more "experienced".

To the list, please...quota on my account won't handle mail..  :)

Thank you in advance...
g
From: AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Aron Eisenpress)
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Subject: Touring/camping in Central N.S.W., Australia
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:00:56 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

We are thinking of winding up our upcoming Australian visit with an overnight
stay in Warrumbungles N.P., especially after reading a post a while back that
said "... The scenery is absolutely spectacular, and it'll be
a fabulous chance to see Australian wildlife outside a zoo. I
went camping there four years ago just before Christmas, and had
herds of kangaroos outside my tent in the morning and evening,
rock wallabys, goannas... oh yes: and insects galore!"

We're not thrilled about the insects or about the distance from Sydney,
as we have only 4 days (3 nights) and would like to spend some time in
the Blue Mountains too (and our traveling style is more meander than rush).
Is it worth the extra driving time, or is there another park closer to
Sydney that you'd recommend?  And where could we rent a tent and sleeping
bags en route?  Advise and thoughts are appreciated.

(I already posted this to rec.travel, for those of you who read netnews.)

-------

 -- Aron Eisenpress, City U of NY
    (AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET, or AFECU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU on the Internet)
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From: ubacw00@ucl.ac.uk (Mick Farmer)
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Subject: St Lucia
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:50 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hello,

I'm going to St Lucia for a holiday during August (from the
UK).  If anyone has information about the island and what to
do there please contact me via my dad's e-mail address
(mick@cs.bbk.ac.uk).

Thank you,

Melanie
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:20:00 EST
From:         June Maxwell <UMAXWE@UNC>
Subject:      (Copy) Italy
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:48 EST
From:    "June Maxwell"                              <UMAXWE>
To:      travel-l@trearn
Subject: Italy

Travel-lers,
  I am in the plotting stage of a tour of Italy, probably late
September, early October.  Have any of you had experiences with
Donna Franca Tours, the American Airline offerings, or other
similar packages?
  Write to me directly at  umaxwe@unc.bitnet.
Many thanks,
June Maxwell
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:32:01 TUR
From:         ender turan <A11102@TRMETU>
Subject:      moscow
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Hi dimitriy;
  Although I have sent you three mails before I could not get any reply from yo
u. I am in a hurry and I have to arrange many things so I am eager to hearing
from you. I have asked you:
  1) the accomodation in moscow and prices for different classes.
  2) prices of the tours you have mentioned in your reply to me.
  3) availability of travellers cheques in russia and other republics.
  4) is it safe to travel alone in Caucasian republics especially Georgia since
 I have to enter your country via that republic.
  I hope you will see this mail at net and reply as soon as possible. thanks al
ot.
ender
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 11:15:53 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC>
Subject:      Vacation to New Mexico
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Might I humbly suggest that you skip Carlsbad and venture northwest to the
four corners area.  Three sites to visit would be Canyon De Chelley in
Arizona, Mesa Verde in Colorado and Chaco Canyon in New Mexico.  All are
within a couple hundred miles of each other and all contain remnants
and cliff dwellings from the era of the Anasasi Indians, a culture which
disappeared from the face of the earth many years ago.

                                                   ---roger
From: clemen@gustav.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Clemen)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Re:"Windjammer"Cruise in ...
Date: 24 Jul 1992 11:29:18 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
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Hi!

In article <1992Jul23.143107.95728@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, mk0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MONICA KELLNER) writes:
|> please, what means "windjammer"?
|> -- 
|>                                    Monica

Windjammer is originally a german word for a big sailing ship.
The word `jammern' means that the wind wails or whines on the edges of the sails.

Hope this helps ;-)

Ciao, Thomas

-- 
  Thomas Clemen                
  University of Dortmund
  Department of Computer Science IV
  GB V/433
  P.O. Box 500 500
  4600 Dortmund - FRG

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:22:00 CST
From:         MEWALKER@MBCF.STJUDE.ORG
Subject:      Re: SUMMARY: Southeastern USA (long)
Comments: To: TRAVEL-L%TREARN.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU
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As a former Mississippian, I feel I must take up for my state.  Although
I can't recommend the beaches (those in S. Alabama and Fla. panhandle are
much nicer, there are certainly interesting places to visit in MS.

If you like history, please be sure to see Vicksburg.  A major battle
of the Civil War was fought there, and the military park is most
interesting.  You can also visit a historic paddle wheel steamboat, a
number of historic homes and the old courthouse museum.

For the kind of antebellum homes you read about, Natchez is famous.  It's
well worth a day's visit.

Since my idea of camping out is being without a dishwasher, I can't help
you with campgrounds, but they are around.

Bon voyage!

Mary Edith Walker
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:38:23 CDT
From:         Jarek <JHAFTEK3@UA1VM>
Subject:      Campgrounds near New Orleans
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Four of us, including 6-year and 60-years old, are planning to visit
New Orleans. Thanks to Travel-l database I do not need more information
about N.O. But does anybody knows a nice camping place close to the Gulf?
The primary object of our trip is to enjoy swimming in the Gulf and to see
some nature west from Mississipi river, but we want to show N.O. to our
grandma also.
 P.S. We know the Gulf shore east from the river already.

.................................................................
 Jaroslaw Haftek   University of Alabama  <JHAFTEK3@UA1VM.BITNET>
  Metall.Mater.Eng.Dpt. P.O.Box 870202 Tuscaloosa AL 35487 USA
.................................................................
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:45:52 EDT
From:         lewis@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU
Subject:      AmeriFlora
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    I went to AmeriFlora several weeks ago and thought I'd share some of my
    thoughts concerning it.  AmeriFlora is an 88 acre park located in
    Columbus, Ohio.  It was constructed to be a world showcase of plants
    and flowers and to attract people worldwide.

    I was impressed with the variety of plants and flowers that were on
    display.  Flowers vary depending on the time of year you go.  There is
    also a large observatory, included in the 88 acres, displaying plants
    ranging from those in the desert to the rain forest.

    The international area displayed souvenir items from their home country
    plus displays of traditional plants from their country.  Only one site
    sold any plants/flowers native to their country.  In fact, very few
    plants/flowers are sold anywhere at AmeriFlora.  The majority of the
    displays stated what nursery supplied them.  A nice feature of the
    displays is that most of them did state the name of the plants.  I have
    a lot of shade where I live so I was able to write down the names of
    plants that did well in the shade.  Now if they grow for me that will
    be great.

    There is also a large rose garden containing many varieties of roses.
    Even though the rose garden is outdoors the aroma from the roses can be
    smelled all over the garden - no need to bend down to enjoy the
    fragrance.

    The grounds are well kept.  You did not see dead or wilting flowers
    anywhere.  As soon as an area died off new plants were being planted.
    Since the park is so large a Tram is available to ride around the
    grounds.  There are also wheel chairs and strollers to rent.
    AmeriFlora will end in October of this year.  The admission price is
    $19.95 per day, seniors 60+ $16.95, not sure about children; after 5:00
    P.M. it is $9.95.  There is musical entertainment every day and usually
    big name entertainers once a week.

    There is very little parking near AmeriFlora.  One of the best areas to
    park is at the Columbus Airport.  AmeriFlora then provides buses to
    shuttle you to the park.  Parking costs $6.00 per car and that includes
    the shuttle service for all passengers in your vehicle.  Shuttles run
    often.  If you need further information you can call 1-800-BUCKEYE.

    AmeriFlora is a place to go if you like plants and flowers.  I would
    not recommend taking children.  There is very little to hold their
    interest; your patience may wear thin very fast with kids along.

    Jean Lewis
    Ohio University
    Athens, Ohio  45701
    LEWIS@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:45:50 MDT
From:         John L Orman <jlorman@SOMNET.SANDIA.GOV>
Subject:      Windjammer Cruise in Caribbean
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Dear Travel-Ler's:

         I am going on a Windjammer cruise in September.  I will be sailing
on the Fantome, leaving from St. Maarten and visiting Antigua, St. Bart's,
St. Kitts, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Dominica, and St. Lucia.  If you have
any information about Windjammer cruises, I would appreciate hearing from
you.  Thanks.


                                              John L. Orman
                                              JLORMAN@SANDIA.GOV
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:38:34 PDT
From:         Jerry Tangren <FACCOVEY@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Freehand
              23 Jul 1992 14:04:03 EST from <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>

Thanks John for the correction on the title of the Freehand book.-JT
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:06:37 +0100
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      The Best Postscript Printer
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From:         Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN%PACEVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
Subject:      The Best Postscript Printer

Oh happy day!  I got the official "OK" this afternoon.  The dept. is
splurging and will purchase a postscript printer and put my laserjet (the
postscript wannabe) out to pasture.

"So tell us" - they said, "What's the best product, in terms of price,
performance, etc.  Gulp! - and a blank stare was all I could muster.

So of course, I've decided to refer this question to my favorite panel
of experts.  (Yes, I promise - once I become a more proficient DTPer,
I'll do more giving and less asking).

Laura

>> The BEST departmental printer just has to be the HP IIIsi. We
do unspeakable things to ours in terms of volume and throughput
and it never squeaks. Only drawback is that there is no hard disk
interface. We have lots (8M) RAM and the duplex option and it
sails through doc like a dream. NOT, repeat NOT quite master
quality but very acceptable for internal use, proofs and even
short run work.

>> That's my 2d worth!

>> Henry
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:10:00 EDT
From:         SC Mgr <scmgr@CABELL.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PPD warning dialog box
X-To:         PAGEMAKR%INDYCMS.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
              Jul 22, 92 9:44 am

HEY - LISTEN - This is approximately what Elizabeth Dissin said:
>
> My problem is this: (Mac PageMaker 4.02)
> Every time I choose the Print command, I get a warning box about not having
> the PPDs installed or some such. I say OK & then choose the one I want from
> the pop-up list in the Print dialog box... it happens EVERY time.
>

Well, I know it has nothing to do with networking and multiple
printer choices.  I have been experiencing the same problem  in our
lab and we only have our macs hooked to one printer (Laserwriter II)
and the macs are not networked.

If anyone knows/can determine the solution to this problem, I am sure
Elizabeth and I as well as others would greatly appreciate it!
________________________________
Greg DeBruyn
scmgr@cabell.vcu.edu
Virginia Commonwealth Universtiy
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From:         TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ACM/SIGGRAPH '92

Huh?
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:19:44 EST
From:         Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Dingbats
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

In windows 3.1 for the pc, does anyone use the dingbat fonts? I have
them, but I can't find any screen fonts for them, which makes it VERY
difficult to see which one you use.


Jim Charles
Computer Data Systems Inc.
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Crane, Indiana
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:17:48 U
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      PICT file printing in MAC PM4

A little-known fact is that Aldus has distributed a new Aldus Prep on their
PM4a Filter/Driver Disk with this explanation:

ALDUS PREP:
Install the new version of Aldus Prep if you plan to import PICT files created
in certain programs and print them from PageMaker 4.2.  (The programs include
Canvas 2.0 and 2.02, MacDraw, Math Type, Smart Art, Type Align, and Microsoft
Word 5.0's Equation Editor.)

Some of the printing problems may be attributed to the Aldus Prep.

Most disappearing parts problems I have found to be lack-of-memory problems.
Even the newer mega-memory models, can run out of memory if you are using
downloadable fonts and graphics. It all vies for the same chunck of
memory...first-come, first-served.

Has anyone tried the new font cards now becoming available for the newer
printers? They are supposed to alleviate some of the memory hassle.

Fran Holtsberry
Fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:59:00 CST
From:         GBIBISI@UTMEM2.BITNET
Subject:      Postscript Booklet

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     22-Jul-1992 09:43am CDT
                                        From:     Gayle L. Bibisi
                                                  GBIBISI
                                        Dept:     Grahics & Arts Printing
                                        Tel No:   528-5059

TO:  Remote NJE Network User              ( _JNET%PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS )


Subject: Postscript Booklet

I called the 800# for the "How to make sure what you see is what you get"
booklet by Peter Fink - they are the designers and said it would cost
$10.00 to get it from them. But the person I spoke with was very nice
and gave me another # to call. This # is 205-660-1240 and it is Systems of
Merritt (I guess the publisher) anyway, the cost is only $4.95 + 2.00 S/H.
You can charge it to VISA, MasterCard or American Express. Hope this helps!
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:27:00 LCL
From:         JMCCOY <JMCCOY.UNCSON@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re[4]: Freehand

Boy, I'll second the vote for "Before & After." It's great! We just got all
the back issues and I spent last night devouring them. Highly recommended!
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From: Annie Fetter <annie@cs.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: Aldus drivers to print to IIg?
Organization: The Geometry Forum
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:01:49 GMT

Subject:      Re: Aldus drivers to print to IIg?
From: Dick Kahoe, DKAHOE@CMSUVMB.BITNET
In article <PAGEMAKR%92072121540747@INDYCMS.BITNET> Dick Kahoe,
DKAHOE@CMSUVMB.BITNET writes:
>>As for the printing problem, I have managed to get PhotoGrade and
FinePrint
>>to work printing from Pagemaker using the 'General' driver with 4.01,
but
>>still can't figure it out for Freehand.
>
>  What did it take to get PhotoGrade and FinePrint to work from the
General
>driver?  I tried changing the default values for the screens in the IINTX
>driver to no avail.

Well, it may well make a difference that I have 8meg of memory in the IIg.
BTW, in the continuing saga, I now have my Quadra, and have installed PM
4.2.
Here, the General driver will not produce Photograde, but, as one would
hope,
the IIg driver will.

	-Annie
Annie Fetter
annie@cs.swarthmore.edu
The Geometry Forum
Swarthmore PA 19081
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:39:54 CST
From:         Gaynor Kybett <KYBETT@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Best Postscript Printer
              21 Jul 1992 16:19:59 EDT from <hades@COOS.DARTMOUTH.EDU>

You should definitely consider the NEC printers.  I have a Silentwriter
Model 90 at my desk and find it excellent.  The latest model number is 95,
although they still offer the Model 90.  These are in the personal printer
range.  If the printer is shared by several users, you should look at other
models.

Gaynor Kybett                                   kybett@max.cc.uregina.ca
University of Regina, REGINA, Saskatchewan, Canada
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From: ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle)
Subject: Re: PowerBooks & DTP
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:42:39 GMT


I have a Powerbook, and though I haven't yet done Pagemaker work on it, I plan to. As I've been doing desktop work on a Plus for years, I'm definitely planning on the _larger_ screen! The nicest thing about the Powerbook so far is not having to reach over for the mouse all the time. The bothersome thing is that it goes to "sleep" all the time to save power (even if the adapter is plugged in), though I believe the time before sleep can be adjusted.

I apologize for not putting automatic line breaks.


-- 
		
				Rob Ehle
				Stanford University Press
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:07:00 ADT
From:         jaberback@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Subject:      Re: Laser Printers and brochure formats

>2) Does anybody have a basic template (or measurements) for a basic 2
>sided 11 X 8.5 trifolded brochure so that the panels are properly balanced
>when it is folded?
>
>Thanks,
>MARC BECKER
>UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
>           MABECKER@UKANVM (BITNET)
>           MARC@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (INTERNET)

Can't help you with the first question, but I can give you the dimensions I
use when creating 3-panel brochures for our student computer labs. In Page
Setup, Letter size in landscape (wide), with dimensions of 66 x 51 picas.
All margins are 2 picas. We've printed many of these types of brochures and
have perfectly balanced panels when folded (by machine). Hope this helps.
===========================================================================
Joy Aberback-Microcomputer Coordinator-jaberback@husky1.stmarys.ca
Saint Mary's University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

          I haven't lost my mind...it's backed up on disk somewhere
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:21:01 EDT
From:         Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Great Titles

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and thoughts regarding
Newsletter titles.

You've all been very helpful and given me great ideas to build on.

Laura
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