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From: ajm@seqp4.sequoia.com (A.J.Madison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: That which makes a fan cringe
Summary: But he may still not do it
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:08:34 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <!-+nbql.bskendig@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
> In article <g92n3258.7.713816420@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
> >TOP TEN THINGS THAT MAKE A FAN CRINGE:
> >
> >5.	Scotty and McCoy's A-okay attitude to giving the guy the formula for 
> >	the Transparent Aluminum in ST IV - The Voyage Home.  Talk about 
> >	altering the future!
> 
> As Scotty said: "How do we know he didn't invent the stuff?"  He
> didn't remember who invented transparent aluminum, so as far as he
> knew, he could have been just playing out his part in history.  I
> know, kinda thin ;), but I'll accept it.


You've also forgotten the line comes before Scotty's: "It will take
years to figure out the manufacturing principles."

In other words, the 20th century guy would be at about the same point
in the cycle as the discoverers of "high" temperature super-conductors
are today.  Not to downgrade their finding, but the same questions we
ask of them, we could easily ask the guy:

1. Do you know how it works?
  "Well, no, not really, but I've got this great theory..."

2. Can you make it do anything useful?
  "Actually, no, I don't understand it well enough yet, but there's
  this neat trick I can do with it..."

3. Can you manufacture it in bulk at a cheaper cost or provide
   in large numbers a product that has a better price/performance
   ratio than existing products?
  "Not today, but give me sufficient venture capital, and in a couple
  of years, I should be able to develope..."

To borrow on the work of Gibson & Sterling, this kind of future
technology polution is on par with going back in time, and telling
Lord Babbage that he's definitely on the right track, well, sort of,
but not really.
-- 
when everyone is out to get you, being paranoid is just good thinking.
         - Dr. Johnny Fever <in other words, standard disclaimer>
A.J. Madison                                           ajm@sequoia.com
Sequoia Systems Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.070710.29586@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.014704.22151@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.040230.16784@adx.adelphi.edu> ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug26.202832.9190@fripp.ri.cadre.com> rss@gooey.eng-sun w
>>>>> I'm stretching it now.  I think Patrick Stewart has done stuff for PBS...
>>>>Patrick Stewart had a modest role in I Claudius.
>>>I think it was more than a modest role.  He was in at least 3 of the 12
>>>installments.
>>>Ricky
>>
>>Darned right it was more than a "modest" role:  he played Sejanus, the head
>>of the Praetorian Guard, he had a full head of hair, and he was one bad-ass
>>dude.
>>
>>He had a affair with a female character that would send smoke out of your
>>ears (at least it did mine).  In fact, my mother was visiting, and walked
>>into the room during one of his scenes with this woman and I blushed beet
>>red--not because of what was on the screen, but because of where I was in
>>terms of, ah, following the show.
>>
>>I was a grown up person with children of my own, so I decided that anyone
>>who could involve me in the "action" to that degree must be a good actor,
>>and I made a note of his name.  Check this out, Stewart fans!
>
>My mind boggles. What were you doing when your Mother dropped in??

I was just sitting in my living room, watching Public Television's
"Masterpiece Theatre."  

The problem wasn't wwhat I was _doing_.  The problem was what I was
_thinking_.  I was, ah, uhm, really absorbed in and focused on the action
(as it were).

BTW:  I Claudius can be hard to find at video stores, but it is available
at my local LIBRARY!!!!  (And just as soon as I call my mom and confirm
that she is still in that other state where she lives now, I am going to
"check out" tape #3 & #4.  Don't bother  to try to call me:  the phone will
be off tthe hook!)
From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Name this series.
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:45:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <gunnarh.15@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>
>
>I know this is not a Star Trek type Question but anyway.
>
>One of my youth's favourite series was a space thing sent on swedish TV
>approx -78/-79. I haven't got a clue as to how old it really is.
>It's about this spaceguy flying around on a planet modified to ressemble a
>spaceship. He has a _small_ robot (in his pocket?) that looks quite like a 
>toad. I allso remember a lot of hairy guys chasing our hero,and what 
>probably was the bad guy himself; a tall man dressed in black with a thing 
>on his helmet, placed over his eye, with this he could fire some sort of 
>laser gun. That's just about everything I remember, so if anyone has some 
>sort of info on name, cast, or anything at all, please post it and I will 
>be so happy.
>
>		---Geronimo

I remember this too! I forget the title, but it had something to do
with a guy named 'Jason'(?) I remember too that the commander of the
space station was Jonathan Harris, Dr. Smith of Lost in Space fame
(though I could be just remembering a one-time guest shot).

The only other thing I remember is that the doors opened with hand
sensors, and that in one episode they were shorted out and the little
robot helped open them.

The series was produced by the same people who brought us Flash Gordon,
Tarzan, and Star Trek animated series (so there is the r.a.s.t. tie-in
:)

Chuck
who is only so vague in remembering this because he was eight years old
at the time and thought Lost in Space was neat and Star Trek much too
scary (although I think that was because the first ST episode I saw was
Devil in the Dark and that Horta can be kinds scary...)
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Justice
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

[Note:  Please insert line feeds after every 70 characters or so in your
posts.]

In <5018@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1kew02@fed.frb.gov (Kirstin E. Wells) writes:
>Just saw a very **goofy** old episode "justice" where the crew beam down to 
>a planet, a proverbial Eden, where all are happy and wear short shorts and
>love to make love.  But the happiness is ruined when Boy Wonder steps on a 
>forbidden flower bed and is condemned to death.  The acting was HORRID
>(except for Stewart), complete with fake crying from Bev and "babbling" from
>Data.  Riker, of course, loved the planet.  I had forgotten how much better
>the new episodes are.  Bring on the new season!

Well, "Justice" is a particularly rancid TNG episode, but it has plenty
of competition even from the more recent seasons.  "Qpid", for instance, stands
in my mind as the most vile Star Trek story ever broadcast.  And season five
gave us a host of Alexander stories, all of which sucked eggs.

-- 
Michael Rawdon			      rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte)
Subject: Re: *** Help me think up a good Star Trek license plate!
Summary: Startrek license plate
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:23:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.191855.24264@bnr.ca>, woodcock@crchh427.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gregg Woodcock) writes:
> How about IDIC
> -- 
> THANX...Gregg   woodcock@sdf.lonestar.org   bn202@cleveland.freenet.edu
> ESN 444   day 214.684.7380   night 214.530.2495   *I buy used Vectrex stuff!*

How about MAKITSO or ENGAGE


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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: STAR TREK II - The Wrath of Khan
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:23:37 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Hi 

I was watching my tape of TWOK over the weekend, i think its the best
of the films as its the *best* film as a piece of SF (I was a SF fan before
I became a Trekker). Anyway, when the big E goes off on the training cruise
with Admiral Jim along for the ride its only supposed to last 3 weeks.
(Sulu's comment on the shuttle from Spacedock to the big E).
When Jim gets the news about trouble at the Regulo 1 (sp) lab (Genesis lab)
he is ordered to take over and investigate as they are (rather conveniently)
the only ship in the sector. When Jim takes over he tells Scotty that he
wants to go at WARP SPEED, Sulu says *so much for the training cruise* (one of
the best lines in the film) and presses the appropriate button and the big E
warps off to the rescue.
This implies that before Jim takes over they weren't going at warp speed,
i.e. they were moving at sublight speed. 
Now three weeks at sublight speed wouldn't really get them anywhere, they'd
be at the edge of the solar systems cometary Oort cloud thats all. I have
severe doubts that Starfleet had no other ships between Earth and Regulo 1.

So why (apart from dramatic reasons) did the Enterprise go to Regulo 1?

I know, get a life!  :-)



tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
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From: jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Disney/Star Trek connection?
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:51:04 GMT
Reply-To: jimn@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

I've cross posted this to rec.arts.Disney also. 

Watching Disney's mid-1950 movie "20,000 Leagues under the sea" the other night, I was astonished at the name of the brutally run prison island Captain Nemo and his crew escaped from prior to building the Nautilus. Its name was "Rora Pente"(sp?), which is the SAME name for the prison planet Kirk and McCoy get exhiled to in the very non-Disney 1991 movie "Star Trek VI: the undiscovered country"!

I'd have a hard time believing this is just a coincidence. Does "Rora Pente" appear in Jules Verne's original story, or is it just in the Disney movie? Sorry if this has been brought up before. Please post your responses to the net and not just to me.

Jim Nevermann
Sr. Technical Illustrator
Physio-Control Corp.
Redmond, Washington

My opinions, not theirs
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: zzekka@unislc.uucp (Zeke Zecca)
Subject: Re: holosex restrictions
Reply-To: zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:45:57 GMT


I always took it for granit that Riker got his rocks off in the
holodick when he couldn't find any one else on board or some 
other alien to boff!
			Zekers!
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Green stuff
Keywords: Vulcan, drink
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:28:49 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

cbarker@dxcern.cern.ch (Carl Barker) writes:

> I'm after some ST trivia.  A friend of mine has vague recollections of a
> green liquid, drunk by Vulcans, during the original series, "with an X
> somewhere in the name" (to quote him).  If anyone could tell me the name of
> this dirnk, I would be very grateful.

Your friend is talking through his hat.  The only original-series
episode with an X in its name is "Charlie X", and no one drinks anything
green in that one.  Also, I'm not aware of any drinks that were
specifically for consumption by Vulcans.  What color was the stuff your
friend was drinking?  :-)

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | Dave Barry for President
pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  "He Probably Won't Use
**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |     Nuclear Weapons"
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI and the Neutral Zone
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:35:05 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

drucker@csa1.lbl.gov (ROBERT B DRUCKER) writes:

>    Star Trek VI (The Undiscovered Country) is about dealing with the
> Klingon empire, which lives on the other side of the neutral zone.
> Woah!  Isn't it the Romulans that live on the other side of the 
> neutral zone?  In TOS the Klingons share our side of the galaxy
> (albeit not very comfortably).
> 
>    What happened?

Nothing happened.  There are two neutral zones.  One separates the
Federation from Klingons, and the other separates the Federation from
the Romulans.  I don't know what you mean by "our side of the galaxy".

(By the way, it's spelled "whoa".)

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | Dave Barry for President
pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  "He Probably Won't Use
**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |     Nuclear Weapons"
From: dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: holosex restrictions
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:45:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

I always got the impression that sex is permitted on the Holodeck.  I can
remember Riker saying to Geordi in one episode, "We've all spent some time in
the Holodeck," implying that it's a common ... uh ... release.
 
stephen dowling          dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org         minneapolis minnesota
From: stile@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Stile)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Best beam-out.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:16:42 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK


Oh, the Q.  CERTAINLY it is the Q.  One second you see him, the next you
see a bright light, the next second there is nothing but a little sparkle
fading in mid-air.  Classy.  Impressive.  VERY much what a show-off like Q
would do.

Stile



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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Organization: None, today. Thank you.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:53:52 GMT

In article <A57332@HB.maus.de> Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher) writes:
>[pos] So, how do they explain the number of times Jamie's done it and gotten
>      away with it?
>
>First you should state, where =you= think, he actually has broken the Prime
>Directive?!!

Yo Sem,
	I'm not good with titles, but I remember the episode where Kirk
was on trial for jettisoning Finney without declaring red alert first.
In it, he admitted to the blonde_dated_her_prosecutor that he had
broken the Prime Directive (I forget how many) times.

I'm sure someone could elaborate more.

(Brain-cell kick) The episode is "Court Martial".

-- 
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From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: dead languages
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:08:50 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <183ajrINN852@agate.berkeley.edu>, jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu
(Jamey Jacob) says:
>
>My memory on this is vague, but does anyone remember an episode
>where a 20th century language was used that nobody knew, and the
>Data or someone remarked that it was an old language that died
>out in the 21st century or so.  It was something common like
>German or Spanish.  What language was it and what episode?
>
One of the early first season episodes had Data make a reference to
_French_ as a "dead language," and Picard got rather miffed.  Data
tried to back up his statement with evidence, but Riker told him to
drop it.  No, I _don't_ remember the name of the episode, or even
the plot.  Sorry.
                                          -- Mike
From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Actors' Other Roles [1/1]
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:51:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92246.085151KELSEY
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <dtgordon.715442702@unix1.tcd.ie>, dtgordon@unix1.tcd.ie (Damian
Gordon) says:
>
>In <rccarm00.715440319@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
>writes:
>
>
>>                       Star Trek Actors' Other Roles             Edition 1
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>Colm Meaney
>>-----------------
>>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
>>Pictures:    Far and Away.
The Commitments
>Wasn't he in "The Field" ?
>
>>Patrick Stewart
>>-----------------
>>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I, Claudius; The Shape of the World
>>Pictures:    The Doctor and the Devils; Dune.
>Lifeforce, Excaliber, Lady Jane
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From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: STAR TREK TIMELINE - PART 1
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:37:19 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

> In article <14NcqB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert 
> 
> >1976
> >September 6 - Voyager 2 lands on the Mars plain Utopia Planitia, the 
> >future site of Starfleets Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards.
> 
> That'd be Viking 2. Voyager 2 was launched in 1977 and is heading
> out of the solar system at the moment. No word on black holes
> yet. :)
> 
> >1978
> >Circa(-) - The Voyager 6 probe is launched from Earth. The probe 
> >disappeared into a "black hole" and was presumably found by an alien 
> >intelligence that modified the probe and sent it back to look for its 
> >creator on Earth. ST:TMP.
> 
> Joshua
> +      "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to          
> |  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire  
> |                                                                            
> + jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca   Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary

Thanks for the correction about Viking 2. I checked the book I got the 
info on and it did indeed say Viking 2. -Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jmiller@afit.af.mil (Jeffrey C Miller)
Subject: Re: Original uses for Trek props
Summary: Nothing more than a painted cassette case
Keywords: Trek Props
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:01:31 GMT

In article <?.714917606@ss1> wilderbj@ss1.wpafb.af.mil (Bruce J. Wilder) writes:
>
>I seem to remember that these same props have shown up in other TNG
>episodes.  Does anybody else know any interesting (or semi-interesting)
>stories as to the origins of various ST props?
>
>Bruce J. Wilder
>wilderbj@fse2.enf.wpafb.af.mil
>


Not very interesting, but I've noticed that the "medical kit" that
Dr Crusher carries is identical to a cassette tape case I own, except
that Bev's is 1) silver instead of black and 2) sports the
Federation shield.


-- 
Jeff Miller,  NH6ZW/N8,  AFA1HE (ex WD6CQV, AFA8JM, AFA1DO)
AFIT School of Engineering, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH
"You gotta expect some losses when you fly the heavies, man" -- Jeff Conn
"No brain, no pain" -- filched from some new movie promo
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Amal A. Abbasi)
Subject: Michigan Star Trek Festival
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:31:43 GMT

Hello!  Does anyone know anything about the Michigan Star Trek Festival
to be held in E. Lansing September 25-27?  I have 2 important questions:

	Is it legit?	(Since you don't get tickets or anything, I am
			worried -- call me paranoid, but I don't have
			money to waste.)
	Is it any good?

I already have the address and their flyer.  I am just in doubt as to
whether or not I should go.  It is a little bit of a drive for me anyway,
and I don't want to waste my time and money on something that I know
nothing about (except for the information on their flyer).

Please e-mail any info you might have.

Thanks!
-- 
Amal A. Abbasi                 |  "Let's make sure that history
Oakland University             |   never forgets the name Enterprise."
aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu   |         -- Captain Jean Luc Picard
aabbasi@argo.acs.oakland.edu   |            Yesterday's Enterprise
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: TNG Emmy Question
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:46:02 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman) writes:
>I don't know about those three but "The Cost of Living" won two Emmys for
>Best Makeup and Best Costume Design.  Take that TCoL bashers!

Okay, I normally don't bite at controversial topics, but I liked
certain elements of "Cost of Living."  To treat the advertised topic,
I liked the costumes (especially the dancer's :-) and the makeup.

I am not an Alexander-basher.  I'm not going to rehash what I said
here before about Brian Bonsall and his acting abilities (or, as some
maintain, the lack thereof).  I thought this was his best performance
to date.  Certainly he's no Sir Lawrence Olivier, but I think he's
more than adequate.  Okay, enough.

If anyone made this episode watchable it was Majel Barrett.  She was
in rare form.  Some highlights:

1.  "...Contract!  What contract?" in the middle of an irrelevant
discussion.

2.  Knocking on the wall to summon the computer.  Her conversation was
hilarious if you keep in mind that Majel does the voice for the
computer as well.

And there were some other terrific parts.

1.  Worf's swatting the little Bubble Head was funny enough; Troi's
expression afterwards was even more funny.

2.  The protocol minister Erco was a scream, if only because he
reminds me of some people I know.

3.  Campio's expression when Lwuxana enters "au naturel."

My opinion: It wasn't a terrific episode, but I don't think it
deserves to be considered among the worse.  If anything, it was
entertaining.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | I was a rutabaga in a former life.