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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills No. 1 in AFC
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:47:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York




so to the person who posted sunday after the steelers won their game
and before the bills played theirs who said, basically...

nah nah nah nah nah.... pittsburgh would be higher than the bills if
the season ended right now... i say... so what?  of course they
would... the got a chance to play one more game than the bills did and
thus, even if they had the same number opf losses they would have been
ranked higher... no duh... gee, get real...


jason
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE BET III: preliminary list
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:47:32 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Thought I'd repost the details:

[Origins of THE BET III, now lost in the mists of time]

This gave me a great idea for a bet, the most vicious type of bet possible.
Really down to basics here.  It is AFC vs. NFC: Which conference will win
the Super Bowl?

Those NFC fans who dare to bet that a team possibly not even their own
will beat any AFC representative should take this bet.  Likewise, those
AFC fans who are convinced that an AFC team's strength is equivalent to 
that of any team the NFC can send to the Bowl should take this bet also.
 
The loser of this bet will not be able to post ANYTHING (woof or otherwise)
to r.s.f.p from the final second of the Super Bowl on January 31 until the
opening kickoff of the 1993 regular season.  The lucky winners of this bet
will have unlimited woofing and anti-woofing privileges, as well as the
opportunity to post preseason previews of their favorite team, flames of
stupid prediction posts, relentless mocking of the bet's losers, and so on.
 
I propose we name this "THE BET III".

Deadline for entry is December 15.  This is because (1) I will not have this
account during the winter break; (2) this is not a bet on specific teams,
but a bet on conferences: whose teams rule, whose teams suck.  Riskier, yet
more exciting for everybody.

The stakes are high, but I'm bettin'.  Let me know if you want to take
part, or if I didn't get your name.
    
                           Name                 Pick
                           ---------------------------
                           Kevin Barnes         AFC
                           Shane Bell           AFC
                           Jason Bittle         AFC
                           Joe C.               AFC
                           Greg Franklin        NFC
                           William Hargreaves   NFC
                           Nitin Khanna         NFC
                           Ashish Sagar         NFC
                           David Shao           AFC
                           Dan Whitesell        AFC
                           Erik Witte           AFC
                           Barry Trottier       NFC

AFC Bettors: 7
NFC Bettors: 5
-- 
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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: stasica@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (The Legacy)
Subject: Re: Houston Oilers Wk11
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.203823.12513@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Corby.E.Page@dartmouth.edu (Corby E. Page) writes:
>
>> RECEIVING
>> White      9-58
>> Givins     8-91 1T
>> Jeffires   6-49
>> Duncan     4-24
>> Harris     3-34
>
>Did Slaughter play?

I think he played but due to Minnesota's defense the oilers were having a
hard time getting it to anyone.  I was surprised, as Slaughter usually gets
the ball at least 5 times on key plays, as he has some of the best hands on
the team.  If he was injured sometime early in the game, I don't know, but
I doubt it.
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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers release Green
Date: 19 Nov 1992 09:57:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <1eff5gINN2sr@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
 >In article <1992Nov18.223940.27348@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
 >>In article <1992Nov18.202053.18837@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
 >>>This move frees up a roster spot which was not immediately filled. The
 >>>most obvious choice is to activate Dexter Carter, but the 49ers are going
 >>>to wait a day or two to see how the tight end situation develops. Brent
 >>>Jones is still sore from last week's game, and if he's not available to
 >>>play then they only have Jamie Williams at tight end.
    
 >  What about Wesley Walls, is he ready to comeback?

 Walls has been playing catch with Montana pitching, he should be ready.
 He did have a great preseason but then so did Amp Lee. 
  
 >>If it were up to me, I'd use my five reactivations *before* bringing
 >>the Midget back.  He's more likely to clear waivers than some of the
 >>others (Montana comes to mind).
 >>
 >     I agreed.  Dexter Carter won't be a big help right now as Watters
 >is doing everything right.  The only reason that the Niners would want
 >to bring him back will be to showcase him for an off-season trade.  
 >
 >Edward Hui

 The Niners with Lee and Grant are averaging something like 17 yards
 per KO return, which is abysmal and one reason why the offense sometimes 
 doesn't start off well. Last year Carter's KO returns were
 in the top 3-4 in the league. Besides with Ron Lewis gone they could
 use him as a flanker in a 4 wideout set in case one of the current
 WR's gets knocked out. Ideally of course they'd have traded him
 for some pass rushing help. 

 Ashu Rege
From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Koontz Computer Predictions
Keywords: Great Week
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:42:10 GMT
Distribution: rec

OK, so I got a lot of flames and I only went about 7-7 this week.

Let the record stand that I picked the Lions to cover at Pitt, the
Packers to beat Philly, the Patriots to beat Indy by 3, San Diego
to beat Cleveland by 1, and drumroll please......................

LA Rams  27
Dallas   23

With all of the upsets, I would like to see someone else who could
have gone 7-7 this week.

Week 12 picks should hopefully be out tomorrow depending upon how
late the game goes tonight.

Carl
ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: SUPER BOWL TALK w/ a twist
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:18:52 GMT

Everyone overlooks the underdog!!! This season has been full of 
upsets and "guess-who-beat-who" games!!!  I think Dallas, Niners,
Miami and the Bills are good, if not great, football teams.
But I think the SuperBowl will be the Saints and the Chiefs. 

Why, you say????  Why not???  They are good teams with great
defenses, which can win ballgames for you.  They have great 
coaches, good kickers, and good running games. Only the QB are
in question.  They are sleepers, I know that, but this entire
season has been a season for the underdogs and sleepers!!!

GO UPSETS!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
Christopher Gattuso	       "Let's see...you have a semi-daily phone
				call, an implied date on Saturday, and
gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com	Tampax in your apartment.  Looks to me
Motorola, Inc.			as if you have a girlfriend!!!"
Schaumburg, Illinois			- Seinfeld 	  
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From: exuwry@exu.ericsson.se (William Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Emmitt & Thurman's stats
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: exuwry@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson TX
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 104981@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu, tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes:


>Emmitt Smith                84 yards rushing        0 yards receiving
                                                     ^^^^^^^
>Thurman Thomas             103 yards rushing        0 yards receiving
>Barry Foster               168 yards rushing       42 yards receiving

I believe Emmitt Smith caught 12 passes for 67 yards.
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: 'Gang Green' (Re: Eagles' wings clipped, mouths run free)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:37:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.230725.27737@microsoft.com>, richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.145848.21249@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >The defense didn't play well.  As a matter of fact, they played
> >horrible.  But the GANG GREEN saved the offense so many times in the
> >past that it would have been nice for the offense to return the favor
> >for once.
> 
> I have to chuckle every time I see the Philly Defense referred to as "Gang
> Green".  That was an apellation applied to a once formidable Green Bay
> defence.  I salute the originality of the Philly Phans and Phront Ophphice.

WOW!  You mean to tell me there are people on this newsgroup that are
old enough to remember a time when Green Bay was formidable?  What is
that Packer defense refered to now?  GANG GERITOL?

How's that for originality:-)?


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux1!jmd
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:00:24 GMT
Distribution: usa

From article <1992Nov16.204906.10176@netcom.com>, by mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers):
> 
> But what you're missing is that we're not claiming the NFC has some
> built-in magic; merely that it's where the better teams have been for
> a decade.

All or just some of the better teams?  Enquiring minds want to know....




Curtis Dyreson





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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: CFL: Grey Cup Matchup Set
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:11:49 GMT

Calgary Stampeders will play the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in next
Sunday's Grey Cup game. Semi-finals were played today. In the Eastern
Conference final Winnipeg hammered Hamilton Tiger-Cats 59-11, with
Mike Richardson rushing for 226 yds. In the Western Conference final,
Calgary edged the Edmonton Eskimos 23-22 with Doug Flutie running in
from 3yds out and 19 seconds left for the winning score. The drive
covered 78 yds and started with only 1:20 left in the game. Flutie ran
for close to 100 yds on the day. The Stampeders are the early
favourites to win the Cup, especially since the game will be indoors
(Skydome in Toronto). GO STAMPS!!!!
                                                  Vladimir
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Subject: bills adjusted on d !
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:26:57 EST

There was something very important that the Bills did on Monday in
their win over the Dolphin's that no one seems to have noticed.

The Bills were down 14-3 against a very good offense, and then held
them to two field goals the rest of the way. The Bills have great
talent on defence and have, at times, totally shut down good
opposition.

But, in the past, when the opponents offense has done well, they
tended to do well during the entire game. But not on Monday!

The Bills seem to have made the necessary adjustments on defence. I
am very encouraged!

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Da Bears: Too pitiful to pick on
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:35:45 GMT

Man, what a disappointing day.  A depressing loss by the Vikes,
and then a realization... that I am no longer able, at least for
this season, to hate the Bears.  After seeing the highlights of
the Bears-Bucs game, I had a really strange feeling... I felt...
well... sorry for them.  This is terrible.  I mean, a Vikings
fan enjoys two things: a Vikings win, and a Bears loss.  But now
the Bears have become too pathetic to hate.  What were once
entertaining Ditka explosions have now happened so often that 
they've become old.  The whole Ditka "thing" has become tiresome.
Gosh, I just hope that this doesn't get much worse, or I might 
just have to actually root for the Bears... naaah.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
From: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer's final record for 1992
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:26:36 GMT
Reply-To: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

> Another prediction for this week's game:  The Packer's have added a
> strange looking draw play to their offense, where the QB runs past the
> RB, then reaches around him and puts the ball in his numbers.  This
> play got added shortly after the Bears' trick punt.  Holmgren has been
> running this play for weeks just to run a flea flicker off it against
> Chicago this week.  You heard it here first.  (Please don't tell Ditka :-) )


   That draw play is old news in 49'er country. The niners used that a
couple of years years ago when Holmgren was the offensive coordinator
for the niners.
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL-the business side?
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:39:55 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov19.182437.2429@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.110828.10596@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>>Does anyone know if National Football League teams reveal their budgets to the
>>public or is this classified information? I am curious to find out where the
>>money goes, how much the players and employees (everyone from the GM to the
>>marketing people) get, what the main sources of income are (licensing,
>>television, sponsorship deals...) etc.. 
>> 
>>MARCU$ 
> 
> You may have an easier time getting to some of these people's daughters
> than getting this information. You'd like to know? Yeah, you and every-
> body else.

Hey, I hear Bill Bidwill's daughter is pretty hot and available; she 
works in the Cardinals office.   Hmmmm.....

As for MARCU$, I suggest looking at some of the news articles in August
or September on the Freeman McNeil case.  I believe the NFL had to
present revenues and profits/losses for each team to the judge.  That'll
give you a little glimpse of what each club is spending....
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: iav@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian A. Verschuren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: saints habits..
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:25:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: iav@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian A. Verschuren)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


well, well well, *ugh* I can't believe it, the saints still continue
on their continuous path that has led to their destruction for the past few 
years.. It seems to have become their habit to loose games that they should
have wrapped up in the fourth quarter.. hell I even remember two years
ago I was at a game vs the rams, and decided to leave with 4 min or so remaining,
cause the saints were up by 14.  Then on the trip home, I sat back in anger as
I listened to the radio to hear that the rams pulled back with two touchdowns,
and then won it in overtime!  Now, two years later, the saints are still losing
in the same manner!  HELLO! FELLAS! you have a problem here... FIX IT! do 
something...!
anyway, I had high hopes for this game, and I still have faith that
*maybe* the saints will be able to hold on to their division...!
Pray saints fans!
GO SAINTS!
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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:27:55 GMT

In article 8779@iscsvax.uni.edu, lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu () writes:
>O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
>clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
>saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
>like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?

BALANCE, DEPTH!!!!


>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
>good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches. 

It's clear that having a good kicker helps create a better 'balanced' team.  
Thurman had approximately 140-150 yards in total offense and that
is nothing to sneeze about. Beebe and Lofton don't have
to catch long bombs every game for Buffalo to win.  Good teams have
lots of players that pitch in from game to game (didn't you see Kenneth
Davis run the ball when TT was having problems half-way thru the game??)
Well BALANCED and DEEP teams win in the long run and clearly Buffalo is 
a better balanced and deeper team that Miami (today).
Kelly may not have had a great night, but it was clearly a 'good' night,
(no ints) and he guided to Bills to a 'W' which is what really counts.


 
>        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
>TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
>going!

Marino is one of the best passers in the game, and completing his first
11 helped the Fish jump out to an early lead.  But he wasn't consistent
in the second half (Jackson's drop really hurt because of the ensiung
interception).


>        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
>lucky.  Granted, they pulled it off, but not my playing well.  Hey Shula...

Did you watch the same game as I did?? 

Tune in to ABC next time you want to watch a Monday Night Football
Game.


>
>Good Game!!!!!
>
>    Kurt
>        
>(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)



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From: nlatif@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles win, Roger Ruzek sucks...
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:03:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.173821.21477@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <1er15bINNcd0@uwm.edu>, caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>> 	Do any other Eagles fans want Ruzek out? I was checking out the stats
>> 	for my fantasy football league, and I saw Ruzek was 5-7 on PAT.
>> 	2 missed PAT's? Come on, Didnt he miss 2 in a game earlier this year?
>> 	In my opinion thats pretty bad. Someday those missed PAT's are going
>> 	to come back to haunt the Eagles. Like a score of 21-20, Eagles lose
>> 	because Ruzek missed a PAT.
>> 	GO VIKINGS!
>

One of the missed PAT's was not Ruzek's fault.  It was Feagles'.  He kinda 
slipped the ball.  And no, I dont want him [Ruzek] out. Hes been playing well.


GO EAGLES!!!

Azli.




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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Keywords: NFL, Computer Predictions, LA Rams 27 Dallas 23, Woof
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:56:48 GMT

In article <1313@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
>The final tally on last week was 6-7-1 against the spread.  Not that
>bad for a crazy week in the NFL.  The point spreads generated by my
>algorithm seem to have gone down some this week.  There may be some
>gradual decline which occurs through the course of the season that
>needs to be tuned.  Here are my prognostications for this weekend:
>
>Tampa Bay      17
>San Diego      24
>

This game will be won by whoever can execute their running game. Both
defenses are capable of getting to the quarterback, so San Diego will
be trying to neutralize our pass rush by giving the ball to Butts. We
will be trying to contain  Junior Seau by getting Reggie Cobb off and
working underneath to Ron Hall.  This will probably be a good, close,
game down to the wire. The biggest negative for us is the trip across
the country.
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE ON AIKMAN's BACK
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:50:48 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>Yes, but how much would you pay this quarterback.  Aikman is at best an average
>quarterback and deserves to be treated as such.


What exactly do you want from Aikman ?  Whenever you have a back like Smith
your not going to see many 400 yard passing games.  If I remember correctly,
he is still up there pretty high in yards passing.  I would concede that
Aikman is not a very dynamic guy, but to me, that means consistent.  Would you
rather have a real dynamic, game winning guy like Randal C. ?  If he
isn't ranked high in the quarter back ratings, I think it is more a factor
of the type of offense Dallas runs.  By the way, didn't he take the boys 
down for a touch down at the end of the first half.  I guess that doesn't
count as a 2 minute offensive, high pressure drive (like people have been 
saying he can't orchestrate ).  

Once again, what do you want from Aikman.

			-Ron