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From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: "family of white girlfriend" (was Excercise for Chaney)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:38:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.220500.8557@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> 
demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  writes:
>Darryle said "You're just not going to find that kind of love from the
>family of a white girlfriend".  Bzzzzzzzzzt!  Now who's talking in sweeping
>generalizations?  SOME families are rejecting, and may promote an "us
>against the world" mentality.  On the other hand, my family does love my
>Black husband, and they already love the child I am carrying.  Do not
>speak about that which you do not know.

Re-read my post and see the movie.
I didn't say "you're not going to find ANY love" -- that admittedly
would be a generalization.
I said "you're not going to find THAT KIND of love".
What kind of love was I referring to?
The kind expressed in the paraphrased quote from _Daughters of the Dust_:
"[We] love you because you're [ours]".
A very similar concept is embodied in the expression "A face only a
mother could love". It has to do with love that is totally unconditional
and totally involuntary.
	Darryle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:11:13 GMT

In article <1idu69INNn4i@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.022217.19346@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>(as some nuts like to call it - as if the USSR's 40 million dead and
>>still counting, makes them a better place)....
>
>Mr. Chaney, you, in your great conservative wisdom, may feel that 
>nothing the late USSR ever did is worthy of merit, but I suggest 
>you carefully read the history of World War II.

No, it is just a known fact that the USSR was a greater threat to the
world in its existence, than its nonexistence. 

And furthermore, the deciding point in WW-II, besides the destruction
of the Nazis in Germany, was the Atom Bomb. Had we dropped that on
Hitler as well, he could have 10 million soldiers and it would not
matter. Conversely, if he had obtained the bomb first, we could have
attacked with 30 million troops, only to be feeding them to a nuclear
fire. 

Russia made it easier for us during the war, no doubt, but we might
have won with or without them, figuring in the power of the Atom. 


>The United States sent guns, tanks, ammo, and supplies to the USSR
>to fight the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The USSR sent the bodies to
>fight and die there, on the battlefields and in the cities. When
>the Nazis besieged Leningrad for 900 days (yes, 900 days), 300,000
>people starved to death but the city never fell. 

All this before we found out about the human rights violations going
on in the USSR. Had they known about Stalin's killings, they would
have been far less willing to help at all. In fact, we would have been
more afraid of the USSR, than Germany, and given the course of their
murderous path, we would have been rightfully scared. 


>They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
>get prepared to invade at Normandie. Long before you were born, Mr. Chaney,
>they were our Allies in a holy war of survival. Admittedly, it was
>an uncomfortable and mutually suspicious alliance, and the
>instant the war was over, the marriage-of-convenience quickly
>soured. But there is no way in hell either of us would have won that war alone.

That sounds exactly like the number of Jews killed in the USSR right
around the time of Stalin. Hmm.. 


>Both countries owe each other, big time. It's nice that we can be
>friends again, even if it took most of my lifetime for it finally
>happen.

Yeah, tell that to the 40 million innocent people who were killed in
Russia during their purges. Tell that to the refugees coming here from
countries where Communism has spread. 



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Attitudes
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 09:18:33 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

> In article <990gwB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) 
> 
> # The first step in doing *anything,* really, is believing that you
> # can.
> #
> # How do we go about instilling this attitude in black youth, and in
> # young black adults who might yet have productive years ahead of
> # them?
> 
> One step might be to try to frame the problem in terms of specific
> goals rather than broad, nebulous categories like racism, oppression,
> culture, etc.
> 
> I'm somewhat of a news junkie, and I find it amazing that I almost
> never see a black leader saying anything innovative or constructive
> about improving the lot of blacks in this country.  It's like after
> accomplishing all the governmental changes in the 60s, they flat ran
> out of ideas.  Even the newsreports pointing out discrimination in
> housing, loans, promotions, etc., are apparently initiated by
> journalists, not black leaders.
> 
> Where are the black leaders?
> 

David:
Maybe one part of the problem is a "messiah syndrome." Perhaps there's 
too much dependence on leaders, or the perceived need for them.

Not that leaders or leadership are bad things to have, but if you spend 
all your time waiting for a messiah to lead you, you lose a lot of time, 
it seems to me.
G.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:51:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.231519.11455@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>Thomas. They certainly do not represent Black conservatism for me. Try reading 
>Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, or maybe Malcolm was too anti-white for you.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   No, you fell right into Stephens camp here.  Malcom was a hypocritical
  in his hatred of whites. His flavor of racism wasn't complete enough to 
  rule out his unquenchable need for white women. 

   Malcom's weakness was, and is,  a common phenomenon.  Don't deny it. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Subject: Re: East St. Louis/Belleville
Reply-To: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:58:00 GMT


In a previous article, locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) says:

I have friends who are living in Belleville and have been for the past year or so (they are connected to the military there).  My friend's younger brother has
been arrested about 5 times in the past year by Bellville police.  Never has
he been arrested for a VALID reason.  His latest arrest?  He was ARRESTED, 
people, for not wearing a seatbelt and was subsequently released on $200 bail.
-- 
Robin L. Gibson          gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
                         Gibson_Robin@lanmail.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:07:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.183254.23287@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> mike@clubmezz.Berkeley.EDU (Michael T. Itamura) writes:
>
>Gee Mr. Davis:
>   On behalf of all of the Asian Americans reading this group, I would like
>to apologize to you and any others who might have been offended by either
>myself for by a fellow Asian American who may have 'acted white' in front
>of you.  The readers on SCAsianA have been bombarded over the past year
>or so with messages saying that Genetics = Culture = Behavior.   I'm
>very sorry that you had to witness some Asian Americans behaving as if
>genetics did not  have anything to do with the way we should behave in 
>public.  Please, if you ever see one another asian american trying to 
>'act white,' do not hesitate to tell him that he should not act that way,
>that he is offending you by his 'act.'  And if the Asian American is
>confused by your statements, tell him that lots of Asian Americans, as
>well as you, feel that he should act like an Asian - as he is genetically
>predisposed to act.  
>    Thank you very much
>					Mike Itamura
>
golly gee mr. moron:

you're a real frigging comedian aren't you?  my comment is that this post
is just plain stupid; you have *nothing* to say here, and it's not even
funny.  i think that that retarded guy in the tv show "wonder years" could
have come up with a better response than this...

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What is this thing called subtle racism ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:34:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.012241.1193@news.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>I have read many posts from both AfAms and whites which talk about the
>presence of "subtle racism". I have a problem with this since I don't
>think that racism today is any more subtle than it was previously. The
>forms in which it manifests itself is different but subtle ??? 
>     People have been quoting statistic after statistic which
>show that AfAms are still catchin hell. Many whites have tried to defend
>their various positions by qualifying it with..."I know that subtle racism
>still exist but...." I watch the news every night and you could swear that
>not one single white person shot anyone that day. We all know that this is
>not possible but I see a black face in handcuffs every night. Hell, I'm
>from Los Angeles and didn't know anything about Chicago when I came here.
>I didn't know where the AfAms lived, whites, jews,etc... but after I watched
>the news, I knew that the AfAms lived on the south and west sides of 
>Chicago.
>     What's the point. Quite frankly just because whites don't ride around
>in white sheets and lynch AfAms or don't spit on us at lunch counters, etc..
>doesn't mean that racism is any less apparent today than it was yesterday. The
>form has changed but the outcome is still the same.

This is part of the point; maybe you're saying the same thing with
different words.

When someone says "racism is more subtle" I think it means that, while
it still exists, you're not going to find a white person who'll admit
it.  In the past, white people would have come flat out and said, "Well,
black people are just better at that sort of thing," or stuff like that.
Nowadays, you can't pin them down on it as much, but it's still there.
The different is that, while it's still there, most white people won't
admit to it, which leaves those who do know it -- AfAm people and others
who are trying to pin it down -- in the unenviable position of trying to
PROVE that there IS a problem much less find a solution.  Women are in
much the same position; many men will not even listen to us try to
define the problem much less help on a soplution that is beneficial to
everyone.

People were fond of saying during the Reagan era that feminism died out
because women had achieved equal rights; yeah, sure.  Try getting
helpful legislation passed in the face of that.  AfAm people likely face
something similar, although the Rodney King debacle blew that one out of
the water.  

Regards,
Janis C.


From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Jelly's Last Jam
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, dawn@umiacs.umd.edu (Dawn Vance) writes:
> Hi Folks,
> I saw Jelly's Last Jam on New Year's Eve and highly recommend it to anyone
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	boy am i ever jealous!!  i was all set to go last fall and 
 	then i up and move to colorado :-(   do you know if they
	are planning a national tour of this in '93 or '94?

> planning to go to N.Y.C. in the near future. Rumor has it that Gregory Hines
> will be replaced by his brother Maurice sometime in February, and although
> Maurice is extremely talented, he doesn't have the presence of his brother --
> imo. Savion Glover (who plays the young Jelly Roll Morton) is fantastic. That
> kid can dance!! 
> 
> Speaking of Jelly Roll Morton, perhaps S. Chaney should hop over to broadway
> to check out the play. He may learn something...
> 
> Dawn
> 
  

peace & justice to all,
pjm.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Because *someone* had to type it in:  MJ and an ad
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:50:27
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu

Friday January 1, Atlanta Journal/Constitution C2

"White Boy Plays Jackson In Cola Ad, Paper Reports"

Pop singer Michael Jackson chose a White boy over a Black one to
portray him as a youngster in an upcoming Pepsi commercial, the New
York Post reported Thursday.

Producers wanted the ad to show Jackson performing "I'll Be There"
opposite footage of himself as a member of the Jackson Five singing
the song, the Post said.  But the idea was scrapped at least in part
because the pictures would make Jackson's plastic-surgery and skin
bleaching makeover too obvious, the newspaper said, identifying its
sources only as "insiders."

After months of auditions, the producers, with Jackson's approval,
selected a young Black boy to play him.  "Michael then... decided he
wanted to cast a white boy who'd tried out," the Post said, quoting an
unidentified source.  The boy was fitted with an Afro wig and his skin
was darkened slightly through video colorization.

Pepsico Inc spokeswoman Tara Carraro said she didn't know whether the
actor in the commerical was white.  She said the commercial would be
shown only in foreign countries.

--
Peace.
Quayle stumbled in response to a question about his opinion of the
Holocaust. He said it was "an obscene period in our nation's history."
Then, trying to clarify his remark, Quayle said he meant "this century's
history" and added a confusing comment.  "We all lived in this century,
I didn't live in this century," he said.
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 11 Jan 1993 02:52:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Keywords: sfb

In article <C0Lx7F.8uE@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1ilrv2INNekc@shelley.u.washington.edu> waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:
>>>(yes there are still some racist assholes out
>>>there that hate jews, but face it: the jews have made it. they control the
>>>media/government)

	This on the par of LIBERALS CONTROL THE MEDIA.

	Ya just MIGHT want to look at the facts. Most ownership of TV, radio,
and newspapers lie in the hands of white, male, conservative types (many are
Anglo-Saxon types).

>Well, if you look at it this way: many universities include Jewish holidays

	Really?

>>>Well said... Asian Americans should be cautious, but should never take the
>>>offensive and prejudice against other races.
>>Good advice, there.  How about taking it yourself?   
>I don't see how I'm not taking it myself

	There are none so blind as those who will not see....

	Id say that anyone spreading such blatant, wrong stereotypes shouldnt
be claiming to be so tolerant....

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:49:19 GMT

Well, I'm sorry to hear that you still want to be a slave. Have fun
Mandingo.... I'll stay with the sistas....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:07:08 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>
>I just had the joy of having a black woman lecture me, sister to
>brother, so to speak, about my girlfriend, who is caucasian, just
> 
>
>    =====================================================================
>    --Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.5--
>    USENET Warlord / IRC Channel Owner / Accounts WorldWide / Home Login!
>		       (Meaning: More time for this ?)
>                    The B.O.S.S. does not speak for CSUS. 

*MUCH* stuff deleted. It is too early in the year to tire my soul with attempting to find any reason in this post. (perhaaps im missing something)
I will say this thoug:
1. if this is your attitude to life, no wonder the sisters are dissing you
2. if you carry on in this manner the entire female sex will ostracise you
3. *DONT EVEN TRY* it, because no gay man i know will take your attitude
in the words of my S.O
"have a nice life"

Meeeee.......
Phil

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From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:50:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
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In article <1993Jan6.210138.12370@colorado.edu> mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.) writes:
>I just heard the AP wire reports on a couple
>stations out here that John Birks "Dizzy" Gillespie,
>a giant in the development of American Classical music, died
>in Englewood Hospital today.

Yep, I hear the great one died in his sleep and a recording of his was
playing in the background when he passed on (I don't remember the number).

>
>He had pancreatic cancer.
>
[...]
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:13:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>As quoted from <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
>
>> 
>> 
>> I just had the joy of having a black woman lecture me, sister to
>> brother, so to speak, about my girlfriend, who is caucasian, just
>> before Christmas. She takes it upon herself, as if she were in Jungle
>> Fever the movie!, to lecture me about black pride. She went on about
>> how wrong it is to do this to black women and that there are plenty of
l>> black women who are looking for brothers now


While I conceed that this is an American problem and that Mr. Chaneys
unflexible extremism is disappointing in a black person, I feel never 
the less that there may be valid ground for introspection
on the part of black women.

Let me state that I am an incorrigible believer in black form and the 
grace and aura of the natural beuty of black women every where between
the two poles. 

I will stick my neck out and ask: what is a black woman in the American
context? I know the unambigous answer to this question in my home land.

Consider the following:

1) Black women very conspicously perm and style their hair in the latest
   white girl fashions, going to the extent, sometimes, of even dying it
in the various shades in which white hair exists.

This circumstance presents as a situation where these people have conceeded
that white women are more beutiful than they are. And if this is so, why
would they blame any one who went for the real rather than the fake thing.

Although this will never affect me, no black woman with permed hair is 
going convince me that anywhere in her she feels more beutiful than a
white woman. That can't be. It violates the rules of nature. A white woman
will be the most (and maybe even only) beutiful blonde haired woman.
Equally too, a balck woman will be the most beutiful in those attributes
that are perculialy black. For me these are the only ones that matter.

I expect and accept all dissenting opinion,...


makala
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:06:06 GMT

In article <1id8hpINNc9j@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>America lost its moorings when the first white settlers came on
>shore, dear.  Please get straight about that. God was supposedly on
>their side when they were wresting the country away from the red
>people who lived in harmony with the land and with others.

Don't overromanticize.  The Aztecs were amongst the bloodiest peoples
ever to walk the earth.  Two years before they ever saw a Spanish face,
there was a mass human sacrifice of captives of war, enough people
waiting on line to be executed by a high priest that the line stretched
for two miles.
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