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Subject: re: ""re: constitution of slovak republic""

Again, help....I need to get off of this list.

Stephen White
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From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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              14 Sep 1992 08:40:47 PDT from
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What kinds of benefits does one receive in CSFR when one is unemployed? And how
 long does one receive those benefits?  Does the government have any retraining
 programs for those who are no longer employed in producing military weapons? S
tan Brunn
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From:         Milan Jira <ULIMJ@CSEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Slovak national interests

On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:59:03 +0100  KUBASKA@CSBBYS51.BITNET said:

>Subject:      Re: Slovak national interests
>
>1 ....Stability of political system
>2 ....New law system ( mainly economical part)
>3 ....Privatisation and reconstruction of economy
>4 ....New war doctrine and new Secret service

OOps, I am really suprised. Maybe, more clarification on these
priorities will be needed.

Milan Jira, M.D., PhD.
3rd Medical Faculty, Charles University
Prague, Czechoslovakia
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:53:14 MDT
From:         Milan Jira <ULIMJ@CSEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is there any e-mail address to Kosice?

  Raju,

On Sun 6 Sep 1992 11:06:46 CDT     you said:

>Dear Friends:
>             A student from Slovakia is attending the North Dakota State
>University, in Fargo, ND. I am very happy to welcome Mr. Peter Kmec. I
>request the netters to help us find an e-mail address to Kosice.
>
>Thank you.
>
My e-mail address: Nu172523@NDSUVM1              Raju Dandu
>                                                College of Engr & Arch.
>                                                North dakota State Univ.
>                                                Fargo, ND 58102

Send interactive message (or regular e-mail):
              address: netserv at csearn
              message: uds find :addr.kosice
    e.g. tell netserv at csearn uds find :addr.kosice

(as a result, 20 users from Kosice will be displayed).
 You can use other commands to NETSERV (get, name etc..).  You can retrie
 ve all commands by sending HELP to your NDSUVM1 netserv, or contact
 your postmaster (Marty Hoag).

 Good luck,

 Milan Jira, MD., PhD.
 3rd Medical Faculty, Charles University,
 Prague, Czechoslovakia
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:53:04 MDT
From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: "Re: Constitution of Slovak republic"

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:54:31 METDST, "Masek" <usarmase@savba.cs> wrote:

> Dear Jan Szelepcsenyi,
>      PLEASE DON'T USE MY NAME IN YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.
>
> Martin Masek, Bratislava
> 	Martin Masek, Institute of Construction & Architecture
> 	Slovak Academy of Sciences, Bratislava, Czechoslovakia
> 	Phone: +42 7 378 2723 		    Fax: +42 7 372 494
> 		        email: usarmase@savba.cs
> 	======================================================

O.K.

PS


Folks,

could you, please, explain me, where I was wrong? I am a
newcommer to this group and probably not quite acquianted with
the rules of communication within this group.

The problem I have is as follows:

HOW I CAN ANSWER SOMEBODY'S POSTING WITHOUT USING HIS NAME ?
(You know, the quoting of a name is a part of the software...)

OR

IS IT UNPOLITE TO ASK SOMEBODY FOR MORE DETAILS SUPPORTING
HIS ASSERTION ?

If I have done any mistake, I'm ready to apologize to all -
in forward, too.

Jan
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Jan Szelepcsenyi                        	Telephone: + 42 7 220863
janszel@posen.mff.uniba.cs              	Address  : ul. A. Mraza 4
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:00:52 +0100
From:         KUBASKA@CSBBYS51.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Slovak national interests

Yesterday I was too bussy in work to write large answers. Anyway, I thhink
that my posting needs an larger explanation.
My point was not in blaming Mr.Hofman but in expressing myself in the same way
as some people from press do.
I'm glad that this was met with stronge refusal. I only wish that there is
going to be the same measure for the same stuff in future especially in
the lobby you mentioned.
I'm afraid I switched Hoffman with Sitny, excuse me once again, but I pay
no extra attention to the names .I pay attention to results of their work.
The treachery of the state is serious crime indeed, but I wrote about
treachery of national interests and that is question of everybody's conscie-
nce.
Your right that those national interests are not defined, but I think
that everybody ( in the light of 1848 movement thru fight for authonomy and
federalisation of unitarian state) is able to consider what is not an
national interest.
In my previos posting I mentioned the next main issues:
 1.... Stable political system
 2.... Reform of economy
 3.... New law system
 4.... New defence doctrine and secret service

The well being of citizens of Slovakia is determined by these issues.
It was necessary to adopt a new constitution of SR because of points 1
and especially 2.
The new constitution and it is not perfect. Iwould appreciate the discussion
about it,but not part-of-indifferent-contents kind. I'd like to discuss
number-of-article-and-what-is-indifferent one.

(the third line from here goes: The new constitution is here and....
(the third line from here goes: The new constitution is here and....
I can't get back because of poor editor)

Marian Kubaska
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From:         NFPKP@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Is there any e-mail address to Kosice?

I am still having trouble getting off this list...I used the following
commands...

Send
To:  IN%"Listserv@ubvm"
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No luck...any suggestions?

Best,
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:23:42 EDT
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: "Re: Constitution of Slovak republic"
              PALUS" at Sep 7, 92 11:57 pm

Milan PALUS writes:

> >    Only a short comment: It is  personal attack, or not? I have
> >recognized that it is typical  for nationalists in Slovakia. That
> >Martin Masek, Bratislava
>
> Only a short comment:
> Mr. Masek,
> following this list for a longer time I must disagree with you.
> Personal attacks are not speciality of SLOVAK NATIONALISTS only.
> Respectfully,
> M. Palus

         Quick check over this list indicates that the personal
attacks lately have been things like:
  Meciar is a thug
  Meciar is a dictator and probably plotted to murder Dubweck
   Slobodnik is either a fascist or a  KGB agent or both
  Slovaks are anti-semitic idealizers of the Tiso regime.
     In short, unless I have been counting wrong, the personal attacks
have been against Slovak nationalists, not by them.  Attacks by Slovak
nationalists mostly have been on systems, actions and policies
(unemployment rates,  racist violence, economic discrimination) rather
than persons.


    Jan George Frajkor
 School of Journalism                      _!_
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   -- gfrajkor@ccs.carleton.ca --          /^\
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:29:44 CDT
From:         Paul Mego <PMEGO3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Constitution of Slovak republic
              4 Sep 1992 15:44:07 MET from <NAVRAT@DCS.ELF.STUBA.CS>

Could someone tell me whether it is possible to gain access to either Czech, Fe
deral or Slovak parliamentary session records in the US? I read some Slovak and
 can read Czech but with some difficulty.

Thanks,
Paul Mego
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From:         NFPKP@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Re: Constitution of Slovak republic"

Dear List Maintenance person:

I have tried every command I know to get my name removed from this list.  Could
you please help?  I am not being very successful.

Thank you,
Stephen W. White
nfpkp@ducvax.auburn.edu
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:35:29 EDT
From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Paradigm shift
              5 Sep 1992 20:06:39 MDT from <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>

Let me bring to those on the network a very good article that discusses the his
tories and gographies of minority group aspirations.  Marvin W. Mikesell and Al
exander B. Murphy, "A Framework for Comparative Study of Minority-Group Aspirat
ions," ANNALS OF THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN GEOGRAPHERS, vol. 81, no. 4 (Dec.
1991), 581-604.  It discusses the topic in a number of international contexts a
nd has some very useful graphics. The article is good for lectures and for stud
ent reading. Stan Brunn
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From: rs2x@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Robert Simoncic)
Subject: Re: Constitution of Slovak republic
Originator: rs2x@oprah.cs.Virginia.EDU
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:11:33 GMT


In article <MAILQUEUE-99.920904154408.416@dcs.elf.stuba.cs> NAVRAT@DCS.ELF.STUBA.CS
(Pavol Navrat) writes:

>> >I offer this just for your information, no comment.
>> >
>> >P.Navrat
>>
>>   That's really nice. And the ungrateful members of the ethnic minorities do
>> not even appreciate it. They offered numerous amendments, lost and eventually
>> walked out in protest. How strange. Moreover, they issued a statement today
>> worrying about their rights. Somebody should tell them how lucky they are.
>> They need a teacher, I think.
>>
>> H.K.

> That wasn't nice. What's the matter with you? Why so much irony, passion,
> intollerance or maybe even hate? Is that the civilised way to react to a
> neutral information?
>
>
> I offer this just for your information, no comment:
>
>
> The chapters describing minorities rights in the Slovak Constitution have
> been adopted LITERALLY from the Havelian Bill of rights and liberties Czecho-
> Slovak Constitution Amandement from l991. This can be checked by comparing
> the respective documents. One Hungarian nationalist party MP said this in
> the parliamentary discussion, too, complaining, that 'by adopting
> literally the Bill ... the government proposes not to reduce our rights.
> But we had been asking and are asking now more rights above this Bill. The
> Federal Parliament has turned down our demands, so we ask them again now.'
> (for precise quotation check parliamentary session record).
>
> P. Navrat

Don't worry about it, Pavol, it's just H.K. getting a little defensive, little
aggressive, little obnoxious. He is just probably losing it...
It sometimes happens when people run out of reasonable arguments.

So long,

	Robert Simoncic
	(rs2x@virginia.edu)
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From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      "Re: poetry in slovakia"

Henry Kucera once wrote....

>However, I fully agree with Mr. Havranek that the Czech and Slovak Republics
>should separate as soon as possible (with different currencies) which, we
>may hope, will give everybody a chance to regain sanity. And the Czechs (and
>I say that as an American) will get the chance of escaping the constant
>Slovak attacks.

I hope you have access to Czech daylies and journals and that
you may reconstruct for you who started attcking the second
partner.  Unfortunately, there is not any possibility to give
you any idea about the nasty job done day by day by the federal
TV and radio. I'm sure you would immediately take back this
allegation.

>The Slovaks will then have to take responsibility for their
>own affairs, at least in the eyes of the world...

I suppose if we try to take the responsibility there is nothing
to blame us.  Simply said, we are about to make our life harder and
the life of the Czechs easier. Gentle, isn't it?


>...if not their own.

Don't worry, if we don't manage it, we'll find quickly a slaver
ready to help us to cure our wounds suffered by our walk through
the beautyful world of liberty.

Mr Kucera, I don't like this way of discussion. I used it only
to show you that it doesn't lead to any senseful result.

Truly,


Jan
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Subject:      Re: Constitution of Slovak republic

> >I offer this just for your information, no comment.
> >
> >P.Navrat
>
>   That's really nice. And the ungrateful members of the ethnic minorities do
> not even appreciate it. They offered numerous amendments, lost and eventually
> walked out in protest. How strange. Moreover, they issued a statement today
> worrying about their rights. Somebody should tell them how lucky they are.
> They need a teacher, I think.
>
> H.K.

That wasn't nice. What's the matter with you? Why so much irony, passion,
intollerance or maybe even hate? Is that the civilised way to react to a
neutral information?


I offer this just for your information, no comment:

The chapters describing minorities rights in the Slovak Constitution have
been adopted LITERALLY from the Havelian Bill of rights and liberties Czecho-
Slovak Constitution Amandement from l991. This can be checked by comparing
the respective documents. One Hungarian nationalist party MP said this in
the parliamentary discussion, too, complaining, that 'by adopting
literally the Bill ... the government proposes not to reduce our rights.
But we had been asking and are asking now more rights above this Bill. The
Federal Parliament has turned down our demands, so we ask them again now.'
(for precise quotation check parliamentary session record).

P. Navrat
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From:         HAMMERL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      RE: paradigm shift

Kamil writes the folowing:

The fight to establish an independent Slovakia by breaking up a
small country with a very good reputation into two minuscule
countries, one of which is, like you say, "unknown," is a fight for
values that people here do not understand. Haven't met anyone here yet
(and I'm talking about educated people who follow politics) who
either understands, or has any sympathy for it. I've been trying
to understand it myself, and can't. The value of having
an independent nation-state in the todays world is largely
incomprehensible and I'm afraid you won't be able to change that.
The only exception are forcefully annexed countries with completely
different cultures, like the Baltic states. Additionally, in their case
they're probably better off without being anchored to the collapsing
Soviet Union.

It seems to me that one of the reasons that some educated people
in America don't understand the Slovak point of view is
because it is not found in our press or on the TV.  Most of
our "news" of Czecho-Slovakia comes from Czech sources, and
from reporters who are stationed  in Prague.  Our government
has tended to want to deal with the central government in
other countries (e.g. the former Soviet Union, Yugoslavia),
because those channels were in place--that was a known
procedure.

This is not a criticism of the Czechs, they are acting in
their own self-interest and out of their system of beliefs.
It is an explanation of why people don't understand the
Slovak point of view.  It is crucial that the Slovaks begin
speaking out and explaining the economic situation that the
policies of the central government have brought about in
their republic.  It is too easy to blame the situation on
"nationalism."

By the way, if you watched the Olympics, you might have
noticed that Barcelona also displayed "nationalism."  Just
recently in Norway, and now in France people are being
cautious about "internationalism" and European unity.

Louise Hammer
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From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      "Re: Stalin's deportations of nations not a nationality problem
              ?"

M. Havranek once wrote....

>>It was not completed when the Communists halted it.  Your impression
>>that it was a Commy idea probably comes from a recent article in
>>Lidove Noviny, which is specializing these days in denying history.
>>     Jan George Frajkor


>Hallellujah, The teacher has spoken! (...)
              ~~~~~~~~~~~

>However The teacher may use all his power to convince us ...
         ~~~~~~~~~~~

>(The teacher calls it CSFR) ...
  ~~~~~~~~~~~

Is it necessary to use in our arguments an ironical remind of
our profession? From all jobs the teachers job is the least
suitable for mockery or scorn. If we are not able to refuse this
method, then, please, let us add to our signatures the
description of our jobs for giving everybody the same chance.
This chance means - if we don't have any rational argument, we
may turn the profession of the partner into ridicule.

>But to be more serious again:...

Gentlemen, did we save this ability, indeed?


Jan



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Jan Szelepcsenyi                        	Telephone: + 42 7 220863
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Subject:      Re: Is there any e-mail address to Kosice?

I have tried to sign off this list by issuing command: Signoff Slovak-L
Stephen White.  It is not responding.  Any suggestions?

Advise,
Stephen W. White
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From:         Masek <usarmase@SAVBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: Slovak national interests

Mr.Kubaska wrote (Subject: Re: Slovak national interests)

>1 ....Stability of political system
>2 ....New law system ( mainly economical part)
>3 ....Privatisation and reconstruction of economy
>4 ....New war doctrine and new Secret service

What about education? Not necessary?
However, O.K.
But  what is  (now) the substance of  the "treachery  of national
interests" by  works of people like  Feldek, Kusy, Hoffman? Which
of  these four  interests their   works betray  (or at  least can
betray)?
Martin Masek, Bratislava
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From:         Masek <usarmase@SAVBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: "Re: Constitution of Slovak republic"

Jan Szelepcsenyi wrote:
      (deleted)
>     As I  could learn from your  address you are working  at the
>     Slovak Academy of Sciences  - the highest research institute
>     in Slovakia.  I suppose if you  enter the area of  policy or
>     history  you  have  to  keep   the  same  rules  saving  the
>     objectivity  and  validity  of  information  provide by you.
>     Otherwise you are in danger  to sell poison as an "innocent"
>     drug.
      (deleted)

     Only a short comment: It is  personal attack, or not? I have
recognized that it is typical  for nationalists in Slovakia. That
is why I cannot support them.  It is too dangerous for the future
of   our   common   state   (the   state   of   nationalists  and
non-nationalists).
Martin Masek, Bratislava
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:50:31 EST
From:         HAMMERL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      RE: Paradigm shift

I am wondering why the model of the peaceful split between Sweden and
Norway is not cited in discussions of the split between Slovakia and
the Czech Lands?  Why does Kamil and others warn of "sanctions against
the Czechs and Slovaks?"  Why should there be a "loss of credibility
in the eyes of the world community?"  It seems to me that Germany,
Hungary and several other countries have already stated their intention
of recognizing both Slovakia and the Czech Lands as successor states.

Our discussion on the list has recently been directed to the past.  We
need to look to the future.

Louise Hammer
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