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From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (=Black Ribbon=)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Friendly Fascists (but not a real option)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.114647.931@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>In article <18s8l9INNipd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>

>> anti-semitic remark attributed to Gritz is the one about "eight 
>> Jewish families" controlling the Fed. Even if Gritz believes this, it
>> it doesn't make him anti-semitic - just wrong. 

Gritz points to the Rockefellers, Morgans, Warburgs, Loebs, Rothschilds,
etc. according to campaign literature. (1-800-633-7692 fyi) True or not.

>	What concerns me is the almost total lack of knowledge among
>those on this network about Bo Gritz or any other third party candidate
>who might have constructive or at least controversial ideas to offer
>at election time.  

How fragile the status-quo poltical "ideologies" must be if they can't
withstand criticism.

[re: Media black out]
>... Some reports did
>not mention his name and simply referred to him as a Vietnam veteran.
>If his name was mentioned, nothing was said of his third party candidacy.
>It was as if there was a news blackout against him.  

As usual, no blatant lie, just omissions. Such is the method of the
"news" media. If you really want a feel for how solidly controlled 
it is -- ask yourself how well movies based on third party "conspiracy
theories" would sell, (JFK and all the UFO flics considered). There's
a -lot- of money being given up in the interest of constraining 
American viewpoints to a few controllable norms. 

Regarding Bentsen, If you believe that any democrat (and most especially
Bentsen) wants to overturn business as usual -- then you've already bought
the lie. Same for any other partisan (including the gops, liberts, and
pops). 

It's simple, if you want more of what we've got in American politics 
(because the scams been good for you) vote for the democrat or republican 
candidate. If you want to make a show of protest, (because the scams been 
good for you, but you feel guilty), vote for the libertarian or populist 
candidate.

If you're a taxpayer, who's tired of getting screwed and scammed,
vote you own mind, pick and choose each candidate on their own
merits, and be independent (which means by the way =NON-PARTISAN=).

It's more work, but the key is to interject as much variablity into
the system as possible -- because constraint is the =only= way that
masses of millions of people can be controlled. 

--

"A black beret is too obvious."

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part II,  Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: Dr. Mengele, human medical experimentation
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:19:21 GMT
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Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep9.125002.8314@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:

Who is this raving maniac?  1% cure rate for cancer?  Maybe in 1890.
I'm surprised at Pacifica putting such garbage on the air.
They are usually radical but somewhat responsible.
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From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Subject: Re: John Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.141946.1@---> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
(concerning David Irving's predictions - MFM)
>
>   Hmm. There are currently neo-nazi riots going on in Germany, most probably
>arising from economic depressions in what was East Germany. However of course,
>there are also demonstrations expressing disgust with the neo-nazi movement as
>well.
>   Are there any indications of increased activity in neo-nazi movements in
>other countries ?

To the best of my knowledge, the neo-nazi riots in Germany are directed
against foreigners who, by German law, are allowed to seek asylum in
Germany, and against the memorials to the holocaust.  No mention was
made in the (admittedly zionist controlled :-) media about attacks
against Jews.  A few foreigners were even killed.  It seems that
the current neo-nazis are striking out at another scapegoat for now,
as well as the memorials that point out a similar behavior of the
previous generation.

Sadly, the initial response of the German government was to announce
restrictions on foreign immigration.

I am not sure about neo-nazi activity in other nations, although the
British "historian" David Irving is surfacing now and again.
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From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: "It's a Conspiracy" from EarthWorks Press
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:25:59 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu

Excerpt without permission from "Making Book on Conspiracy Data",
Connie Koenenn, Los Angeles Times, Sunday 6/Sep/1992, p. E1, col. 1:

    "... EarthWorks Press has published 'It's a Conspiracy.'

    "Combining a tabloid breathlessness ('The Shocking Truth About
     America's Favorite Conspiracy Theories!') with extensive research,
     the 250-page paperback lays out more than 60 conspiracies with
     succinct background, official explanations and suspicious facts.

    "'It's basically a digest, and it's a first,' says Michael
     Litchfield, a technical journalist who edited the two-year
     project.

    "'We've tried to make the book user-friendly. I think people take
     conspiracies seriously today because they really feel they aren't
     getting the facts.'

    "Information: EarthWorks Press, 1400 Shattuck Ave., No. 25,
     Berkeley, Calif. 94709"
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From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Re: Gemstone file
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:32:56 GMT

If you can get a back-copy of Nexus (Australian alternative magazine,
lots of funky conspiracies), you may find what you want.
They serialised the Gemstone Files a while ago.


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From: pete@uunet!ctbilbo (Pete Ritter)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Communications Technology Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:47:10 GMT

Kindly ignore this msg.  It is only a test.
thank you.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:40:43 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Doctor Green + MPD

Who knows anything about a Doctor Greenbaum (Gruenbaum?), better known
simply as "Dr.  Green" to many multiple personality disorder (MPD) patients
in the US?  From what I've heard, he was a young Hasidic jew at the time of
the Holocaust with a profound knowledge of brainwashing techniques and the
Cabala.  In order to save his skin, he offered his services to Nazi
Satanists, who allowed him to test his techniques in the death camps.  After
the war, the US military recognized the value of brainwashing and secretly
imported a number of Nazi doctors into this country, where they were allowed
to continue experimenting.  This allegedly was the core of what eventually
became known as Satanic ritual abuse (SRA), and detailed, consistent
accounts of Greenbaum's ways of programming small children through hypnosis
and electroshock have supposedly been obtained independently from quite a
few MPD patients.  Supposedly, this programming originally took place on US
military installations among "bloodline" cult members (i.e., children whose
parents are Satanists); now apparently it also takes place in child care
centers.  Children are programmed to commit sexual acts and also conditioned
to forget what happened or to believe that if they do reveal the truth or
seek treatment, they will commit suicide or go totally crazy.
   I'm not convinced, simply because the extent of such a conspiracy (the
Satanists need labs, laptop computers, etc.) makes it impractical, but I'm
impressed by the claim that the story has been obtained independently.
The various Manchurian Candidate/Ipcress File fictions are one probable source;
older stories about hypnotists who program their patients to commit crimes are
another.  But where does Dr. Greenbaum, ex-Hasidic-jew-turned-Satanic-Nazi-US-
Military-type come from?

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Has the U.S. Government Been Overthrown? (a poll)
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:40:52 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Audit:  alt.conspiracy,JBowery,3

Do you believe the U.S. Government has been overthrown and is,
therefore, currently illegitimate?  

Please answer "yes" if you believe this is true, even if this
overthrow occured shortly after the adoption of the Constitution.

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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: a new NZ conspiracy
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:18:46 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Conspiracy-watchers might be interested in a discussion going on right now
in soc.culture.new-zealand.  Spooky stuff...

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From: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge)
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:15:30 GMT

> From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
> Subject: Re: You are being watched
> Date: 9 Sep 92 01:09:56 GMT
> In article <mjenkins.715708019@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> >The government monitors Internet.
> 
> Ah, so that is why posts get mysteriously deleted in alt.conspiracy.jfk
> 
> Hmmmmmmmmmm.

We went through this once before. No posts were getting "mysteriously
deleted in alt.conspiracy.jfk." The messages you saw about restrictions were
perfectly normal messages from rn. Today I've seen a half a dozen newsgroups
I read list headers for which the associated files were no longer on the
system. Nothing you mentioned in your post constituted any sort of evidence 
that anyone was tampering with alt.conspiracy.jfk. Talk to your system
administrator or possibly a therapist.
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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:35:11 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

>The government monitors Internet.

>All your names and addresses are being recorded.

>Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.

Oh Good. Now, when I get old, I'll have something to show the grandkids.

That is, if there's still an FOIA by then ...

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From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Paranoia...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:18:00 GMT

In article <dfs.716496094@ro>, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) 
opines...

[that John is paranoid]

Someone recently threatened me with "telling my boss" which I blew
off. I work for myself, and generally ignore threats. I should have
made some mention of it though at the time in group, since it is
such a pitiful tactic. 

Was that you David, making those threats?

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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
Subject: Re: Forecasters of Doom
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:03:46 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

I always found the most interesting to be a documentary on PBS a year or
so ago where an Environmentalist with a long list of degrees behind his
name had it both ways in little more than 2 paragraphs.  After extolling 
the climatic damage we were doing inadvertantly by our life-style here on
earth, this same man explained how we could never terra-form mars cause
man didn't have the power to change the climate of an entire planet.

And people wonder why I don;t take any of this Ecology garbage seriously!!

Long before man does real serious damage to planet earth, mother nature will
sweep us off her back like the annoying little insects we are.  And the next
major species will begin reforming the world into it's idea of habitable.

bill

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From: studier@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier)
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REALLY Happened.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:43:45 GMT

cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:

>studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier) writes:

>>ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>>>In article <1992Aug25.134950.10226@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:

>>>> Kennedy was accidently shot in the head by his own security guard.
>>>> 
>>>>                               
>>> In all Kennedy was hit by three bullets, two under his armpit and
>>>one entering his right mastoid from BEHIND his left ear at point-blank range.
>>>This brain shot was the cause of death, from no more than 3 inches away.

>>>Big Al.

>>I find this theory interesting but I have trouble believing that a shot from 
>>3 inches could be an accident. What was the security guard shooting at?
>>Did RFK fall into the line of fire as the guard was pulling the trigger?
>>Why didn't the investigators establish what had happened at the time?
>>Did they all have that much sympathy for the security guard?

>Well, the conspiracy theory is that Cesar and Sirhan were both hired by the
>mafia, who had extensive influence within the LA police.

>Anyone know whatever became of Cesar?

  Wasn't Cesar actually working for the hotel and not directly for RFK ?

            Jim Studier  (studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu)

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Subject: Re: John Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:35:35 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Audit: alt.conspiracy,JBowery,2

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

>   Within two years, he told a meeting in Hamburg last November, "this
>   myth of mass murders of Jews in the death factories of Auschwitz,
>   Majdanek and Treblinka, etc. etc., which in fact never took place ...
>   this horrific ghost of guilt from which the German people have 
>   suffered for the last 45 years, will be laid to rest."
What I fear more is that Germanic peoples will start feeling the
pogrom against the Jews was just.

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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Forecasters of doom
Date: 6 Sep 1992 09:10:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
 
>techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
 
>>forecasters of doom part 1 of 3 parts
 
>[... stuff deleted...]
 
<more deleted>
 
>>    The actual facts notwithstanding, the firestorm of controversey Carson'S 
>>book helped spark eventualy led to the banning of DDT in the U.S. and 
>>elsewhere with harmful consequences for man and the the environment. Today, 
>>three decades after the publications of THE SILENT SPRINNG, the problem that 
>>carson called "the most alarming of all man's assualts upon the environment" 
>>has apparently been upstaged by concerns over global warming, ozone depletion 
>>, and deforestation.
 
>I realize that the huge problems we are facing may cause you to
>opt for denial as a coping mechanism, hence I hesitate to point out
>the weakness of your case thus far. It may interest you to know
>that one of the mechanisms adopted by people who are told they have
>terminal cancer is to *deny* that they have it. So, if writing
>this little treatise in three parts is helping you keep it together,
>maybe I should just let it alone.
 
This insightful psychoanalysis fails to address the case in which the
person denying the problem is factually correct and the people asserting
the problem were mistaken or lying. Perhaps the questions of fact 
surrounding this issue should be addressed before seeking psychological
motivations for the opinions in question.
 
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REALLY Happened.
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.134950.10226@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
> 
> I have heard every explanation of Robert Kennedy's murderexcept
> the one which seems glaringly obvious. Kennedy was accidently shot in
> the head by his own security guard. After watching a recent special 
> program on television, and listening to what all the witnesses had to
> say, what happened seems clear. Sirhan started firing, Kennedy's guard
> also was shooting back. It seems obvious that Kennedy was killed by
> one of the guard's own bullets. The Police and the family of Kennedy 
> probably know this, and they see no reason to make the poor sap suffer
> forever for a horrible accident. Therefore, that is why they are probably
> covering up the truth. Add to this the fact that they tried to interview
> the guard. Every other witness talked willingly, the former guard slammed
> the door in their faces.  Comments?
> 
> 
> 
>                               
I posted earlier in the year that this was the case, and it has been common
knowledge for at least 15 years. The book Assassinations in Our Time, by Sandy
Lesberg (library of Congress Cat. No.76-10528) stated that Thane Ceasr was
stabnding directly behind RFK and admitted drawing his gun after Sirhan began
firing. He conceded that his gun might have gone off, but he did not shoot AT
Kennedy. His gin was not tested for comparison. Criminologist Harper testified
that Kennedy was shot at least once from a position removed from where Sirhan
was standing. In all Kennedy was hit by three bullets, two under his armpit and
one entering his right mastoid from BEHIND his left ear at point-blank range.
This brain shot was the cause of death, from no more than 3 inches away. Sirhan
was never that close. Also 10 bullets were recovered. Sirhan's gun only held 8
shots and was never test-fired for police ballistics tests, neither was Cesar's
gun tested. They knew. A second person was also shot by Cesar - William Weisel,
aun. They knew
gun. They knew. William Weisel was also shot by Cesar, as the bullet did not
match those from the other four people hit.

If you or I did it we would have been charged with manslaugter at least.


Big Al.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part IV, Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: : shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:46:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep14.135921.16970@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:

>Well, how would you feel if you were a person who had cancer and
>you were struggling to remain alive, and someone injected you with
>more cancer, which caused a severe immune reaction?  There's no way

Then again, how would you feel if it turned out that the foreign
cancer caused your immune system to reject *your* cancer as well?
Instead of being doomed, you were cured?  Maybe that was the
hope that was there in the 1950's when these experiments were done.

>As a scientist, I'm telling you it's not humanly possible. This man
>played God. This man today is the head of one of the largest, if
>not the largest bio-technology research center in the world. But

Let's take old Doc Levin out and shoot him, why don't we?




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