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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: LOST IN THE BAY : NORTH PRISMA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.194209.8386@leland.Stanford.EDU> jouaux@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Francois Jouaux) writes:
>		Hi folks !
>
>The title says it all.
>
>	SO IF ANYONE HAS SEEN, HEARD OF A NORTH PRISMA 5.5 RIGGED EITHER
>DRIFTING IN THE SOUTH BAY WATERS OR LANDED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN DUNBARTON
>BRIDGE AND SAN MATEO BRIDGE (ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BAY),
>
>	PLEASE CALL (415) 323 40 33 Home
>                    (415) 723 63 48 Work
>                     or email me jouaux@pangea.stanford.edu
>
>	
>	
>	ANY CLUE ON A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE IS WELLCOME
>

BUMMER! :(
Good luck - may the lost-and-found gods look favorably upon you.

Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with YOUR sail so I shoulda
posted under a different subjuect line.

I saw something interesting at Crissy on Sunday.
It was a real fun day for me. I hit lots-o-planing jibes beacuse it was
so flat, the scenery was great, and the spinakers on the sailboats were
almost as pretty and a lot bigger than our sails.

But then, after having done a great job at staying up wind (in a flood),
I raced my friend to the other side and back and ended up a little
downwind just as it SHUT_DOWN. I could uphaul, barely, but then I'd be
up to my ankles and not moving at all. IT was dead. I was about half the
distance again beyond the pillar. So I tied and extra piece of rope to the
front of my board,, lowered my boom ( a pain) and ballanced it on the
end of the board (aft), tied the rope to my harness and elementary
backstrocked it most of the way in and made pretty good time. Then 
I remembered Rob Hartman's suggestion and tried it out with some success. 
 With a little practice, this could be very good.

When I got to shore I noticed a lot of people swimming and struggling to
get in.  At least three disapeared around the other side of the Yacht Club
Then as it started to get dark, two fellows went out with BIG sails.
One of them was on a coarse board.  They both went out about twice the
distance to the pillar(?)  to someone who was in the water and not
moving too much. The guy on the coarse board towed that person in, but
there was no sail.  He then went out again, but it didn't really look
like he was looking for anything, and then came back in.

So, I'm guessing that the monsters of the deep may have another prize.

Then, after the sun set ( we were waiting to see if the guy who parked
near us was alright, he hadn't shown up yet), a van drove up and
deposited the scragglers who had gone down wind at their cars.  I guess
they had gone pretty far, like almost to fishermans warf.

So I gave the guy parked near me a beer which was recieved very happily.
He was a bit bummed out about his swim. And I drove home.

Since so many people had ended up swimming it in, I didn't feel like I
had really blown it, but I will certainly be cautious after 6;00pm
from now on.  Summer's over and it is WINTER after all :^)

Happy Sails
Andy
From: wikusuan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Johannes Lodewikus van Niekerk)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,ucb.wanted
Subject: FANATIC 320 FOR SALE
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: wikusuan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Johannes Lodewikus van Niekerk)
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

I have a complete Fanatic 320 for sale.  The board and rig is
in very good condition.  I am selling it in order to buy a 
shorter board.  This is a good intermediate board but I have
taught people with no previous experience to sail it.

Asking price:  $ 600

Contact:       Wikus   (510) 549 2328 (eve)
               or      email wikus@tongue2.Berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bruder@pictel.com (John Bruder)
Subject: slalom boards
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:41:07 GMT

I just broke my 9 ft custom slalom board and am in the market for another.
I am considering one the following:
	used 91 Bic Adagio for $450
	new 91 Bic Adagio for $600
	new 92 Bic Adagio for $800
	new 91 Mistral Screamer for $700
	open to suggestions.

Most of the sailing I do is in Vinyard Sound and Buzzards Bay with sail
sizes ranging from 4.0 - 6.0.  I'll probably purchase a high wind board
also.  I am an intermediate sailor working on planing jibes.  I
highly value price vs. performance as well as durability. Any
recommendations will be greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail or post.

-john (bruder@pictel.com)




Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hanu@jargon.whoi.edu (Hanumant Singh)
Subject: 6.0 Slalom Sails
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:51:20 GMT


I was considering getting a bigger sail (not enough wind this summer :-().
Looking at 
NP V8 Street Racer
Waddell Monoslalom
Simmer SurfSlalom TC
Comments, other suggestions, (i have a CC mast; ~$400 budget), advice
would be appreciated.
						hanu
						hanu@mit.edu


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Sail survey results
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:31:18 GMT

In article <74100159@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:
>> The winner swept both categories with 17 YEARS & 12 SAILS.  Can anyone beat
>> this?  
>
>Sure.  I've been sailing for 10 years (seriously for only 3) and have owned
>14 sails in 4 generations of sail technology...

Ok, how about 19 sails.  2 Alpha, 1 O'Brien, 3 NPU, 3 Blackpoint, 4
North and 6 Northwave.  Can I also count the Nautix 2.5 I just bought
for my 8 year-old son?

Com'on guys.  We got to have some basement dealers out there with
some really BIG numbers! {;^)

If you're really into this sport, it is possible you split your time
between racing, slalom and surf sailing.  You could easily have 12 to
15 sails and 6 to 8 boards get the most out of your water time.  Of
course, this assumes that you don't use your racing sails for
recreational slalom sailing, a flat rocker slalom board in the ocean
waves, etc.

-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: hanu@jargon.whoi.edu (Hanumant Singh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: 6.0 Slalom Sails
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:10:28 GMT
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Comments, suggestions (i only possess a CC mast!), advice appreciated.

						hanu
                                                hanu@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:25:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau) writes:
: A few people were talking about wearing a PFD in case their board got away
: from them and they were not able to swim fast enough to catch it. Has that
: ever happened to anyone?

Add me to the list - missed jibe, boom falls on board such that the sail
stays out of the water, and board and rig sail away.

It happened to me on a 9'6" board and a 5.3m^2 sail (I think, it was years
ago), and even without a life jacket, my "sprint" speed swimming was not
gaining on the rig.

The rig was headed for a rocky shore below a large bluff, and when I
realized I could not catch it, I resigned myself to scraping a badly damaged
board off the rocks, and swam after it at a pace I could maintain.

It had a happy and surprise ending, though:  the wind heading for the bluff
had to turn and head up, so there was a bit of a calm space close in - my
board and rig "stood off," 5m from shore and waited for me!  :-)

_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Alpha 282
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:26:16 GMT

In article <28751@sophia.inria.fr> colas@capa.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.113128.18003@walter.bellcore.com>, ngs@sailor.bellcore.com
>(Ned Stoffel 21374) writes:
>|> I am considering replacing my badly abused Seatrend 9'1" with
>|> a Alpha 282 for $450. The word I have is that the Alpha is
>|> slow, but a great handling board that is virtually 
>|> indestructible. Any comments? 
>
>polyethylene/polypropylene boards are slow, but most important "liveless".
>You will definitively miss the "spark" factor you enjoyedd on stiff boards.

If you like having your body shaken to pieces in heavy chop, go ahead and
get a stiff and lively board. It takes some getting used to a poly board,
but I wouldn't switch back.

I have already used my board about 100 times (during a period of two summers)
and it still looks almost new.

>Real small boards with great shape such as the small recent tigas are great,
>though, (efficient if not enjoyable), MUCH more than the alpha.
>In fact, on a course they have the same speed as most of the "stiff" boards...

My experience with my Tiga agrees that poly boards can be fast. I also
think that my board is very enjoyable to ride. I have tried other boards
and I don't think that the softness of the ride makes sailing any less
enjoyable.

>So I'd advise trying to find a tiga rather than the alpha which always
>get abysmal reviews in tests. Having owned a Seatrend I doubt you would be ever
>pleased by the feeling of the alpha...

If I remember correctly, Alpha went bankrupt and it's now a subsidiary of
Fanatic. Fanatic makes great boards, but they didn't have any previous
expertise on making poly boards, so the improvements to the Alpha line
are very slow in coming.

I haven't tried any Alpha boards, but their reputation isn't good.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
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From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:55:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Sep8.003336.26448@cs.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
|> 
|> To be honest, what you happen to think about the etiology of sexual
|> preference is of approximately zero relevance to the truth about
|> what controls sexual preference. People are notoriously bad judges
|> of their own psychology.

Well, supposing that to be true, so what?   If people are bad
judges of their own psychology, what qualifies you to judge 
the psychology of others?   Nothing, would be my first guess.

So probably we would all be better off with you letting people 
live the life they feel best with, so long as they don't harm 
other people doing it.   

And if it's not the life you would lead, well, you said yourself 
that you are not qualifed to judge your own psychology.

jon.
From: deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Girls Are Great,' too
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:18:58 GMT
Organization: Galaxy Information System (GIS) 1:133/411 Atlanta, Ga


     Boy Scout Troop 685 isn't alone.  The Girl Scouts also have an active 47-member troop (No. 1393) operating at Bankhead Courts.

     It is part of "Girls Are Great," a program launched by the Northwest Georgia Girl Scout Council two years ago to reach economically disadvantaged and handicapped girls.

     The program, which includes traditional Scouting activities along with self-development and mentoring, reaches about 7,200 girls and young women in primarily low-income neighborhoods, officials said.

     Because of the initiative, troops are operating in several Atlanta public housing communities.

     Girl Scout officials say a collaboration with other youth-oriented agencies, school systems and community leaders ahs helped "Girls Are Great" get off to a good start.  The area council serves more than 50,0001 members in northwest Georgia.

          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta


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From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Definition of "Scouting Spirit"
Keywords: Scouting Spirit Scoutmaster Conference
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:09:29 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.185812.1299@news.iastate.edu>, Will Turner questions:


|> >4) Boys holding leadership positions should be fulfilling their duties
|> >5) Participate in at least one service project per year
|> >6) Pay their dues
|> >
|> >1-3 are expected from all, 2 or more from 4-6 are expected.
|> 
|> Why is (6) on the list in the first place, and then why is it not
|> required for all?  (In other words, why can a boy do 4 and 5, but 
|> 6, and still be passed?)
|> 
|> I don't believe (6) should be used in considering Scout Spirit.  I
|> think it should have been taken into consideration *before* the
|> Scoutmaster Conference.  By definition, a boy is not registered in 
|> the BSA without paying their dues, and a non-member cannot earn 
|> ranks.

Perhaps their philosophy is the same as it is in the troops and packs I've
been in -- that paying the dues regularly shows spirit but that there are kids
who have a real difficulty with coming up with the money due to family
circumstances.  Our philosophy is that we will never refuse a boy the
opportunity to participate in Scouting due to financial need -- we cover the
registration and dues if necessary.

Will's last comment is slightly inaccurate -- only registration is required to
be an official BSA member; dues are optional and set by the unit.

Rich



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From: gwb@crosfield.co.uk (George Battrick)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Current Batch of Uniforms
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:06:59 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <15378@suns6.crosfield.co.uk> gwb@crosfield.co.uk (George Battrick) writes:
"In article <1992Sep10.213059.8681@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> mwilson@orl.mmc.com writes:
""(BSA) uniform shorts are cut too short? 
"
"Soccer and rugby players here wear shorts anything up to about a 2"
"inside leg,
"
... likewise Edberg and Sampras in the tennis final televised on Sunday.
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From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:25:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.BuIw6I.5D0
Distribution: usa
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Sep11.193841.22336@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>Please substantiate your claim.
>Your claim that you should NEVER try to make a kid feel bad about
>themselves is no more supported than your claim that it is
>immoral to tell a gay teenager that they are going to hell.

	I too think that it is immoral to make a kid feel bad 'bout himself,
but that's in my morality.  If for you it isn't immoral, then go ahead and
do it if you want, it's your choice, you have the right to say anything you
please.

	Love, and do what thou wilt.
	
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination...
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:49:54 GMT

rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:


>In article <1992Sep4.033027.12445@auto-trol.com>, Kathy Beatty sputters:

>|> Karen Hill, you are an immoral, ignorant bigot. Your immoral, ignorant
>|> bigotry hurts children.
>|>
>|> Kathy

>Yes, Karen, report to the principal's office immediately!

We can by thankful that the morals police caught up to Karen.
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From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:53:42 GMT
	<9SEP199216145584@rosie.uh.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

Newsgroup line edited to remove chi.general and alt.atheism.

In article <9SEP199216145584@rosie.uh.edu> st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
(RE: his friend in childhood who had a gay experience.)

- Well, first you don't at all bothered by the fact that we were fourteen so part
- of my argument (and my problem with my own children as they reach this age) is
- obviously falling on deaf ears with you.

Many people, including myself, discover(ed) they are gay at puberty.
Read: sometimes age 12 or earlier.

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:35:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Sep6.163535.8193
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization


In article <1992Sep4.212740.16316@rtsg.mot.com>
kutem@motcid.rtsg.mot.com writes:
>
> In article <1992Sep3.204432.5451@wam.umd.edu>, aap@wam.umd.edu
> (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>> 
>> The only real choice here is: Do I want my children under the
>> leadership of an homosexual?
>> 
>> If the answer is yes or I do not care, there is a choice.
>> If the answer is no, there is no choice.
>
> By default, if the parents choose "no", then there was a choice made.

Is this to say that if they choose "yes", there is not also a choice
made?

-- 
 \   Charles Hannum, mycroft@ai.mit.edu
 /\  White heterosexual atheist male (WHAM) pride!
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From: daveh@ka3uzr.uucp (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Crossposting articles with rec.scouting (was Re: BofA and UW ...
Keywords: Flames are counterproductive
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:25:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hams Do It With High Frequency

mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Aug27.193624.19749@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> >
> > Maybe rec.scouting should be split into several unmoderated
> > newsgroups.
> 
> I must strongly object.  First you (as a group) invade their newsgroup,
> then rather than buggering off when asked, you propose to *split* it so
> you can keep posting to it?  This is completely inappropriate.
> 
> I have yet to hear someone from rec.scouting actually indicate that
> they want to read this tripe.

As one who has been around from the beginning, I had high hopes for this 
group.  I envisioned a kind of electronic Rountable like the fido users 
have on the SCOUTING Echo.  I also hoped that because of the widespread 
usenet distribution I would be able to correspond with Scouts and 
Scouters in more countries than SCOUTER reaches.  And lastly since this 
newsgroup was supposed to be for Scouts and other youth groups, I had 
hoped that posters would avoid flames and keep it civilized.  I should 
have known better.  This is the anarchy of usenet.  I am not one who 
advocates censorship of unpopular views, but by the same token I don't 
see anything constructive coming out of the current flamewars.  Neither 
side will ever convince the other with all the name calling and gross 
distortions that we read each day in this newsgroup.  Frankly I am tired 
of it.  I intend to opt out of the debate on gays and athesists, at least 
until people are prepared to discuss it in rational terms.  

Dave Hultberg, Cubmaster, Pack 196, Keystone Area Council
Eagle Scout Class of '67, Valley Forge Council

Dave Hultberg, Cubmaster Pack 196, Keystone Area Council, Eagle Scout '67
Brotherhood member Susquehannock Lodge XI \/\/ \/\/ \/\/, ASTA 1781 (CSPs)
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mwilson@orl.mmc.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Current Batch of Uniforms
Reply-To: mwilson@orl.mmc.com
Organization: Martin Marietta Orlando
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:30:59 GMT

Is it just me? Is there someone else out there who thinks that the current 
(BSA) uniform shorts are cut too short? I've had complaints from mothers and 
boys in my troop. It's hard to encourage complete uniforms when a part of it 
makes people uncomfortable.

While we're at it. What ever happened to the garters for the knee socks. It
seems that they still can't make the socks so they can stay up on their own.
Even if they wanted to do away with the flashes, they could have kept the
garters and do away with the sock tug of war (the socks always win).

PS: The long pants are not an option for a summer (March to November) in
the heart of Florida with 80-90 degree days and 90-100 percent humidity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Wilson 
Eagle Class of 1974
SM, Troop 565, Deltona, FL