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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: DLG Support BBS?
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:55:50 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Wed  2 Sep 92  3:28, mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch)
wrote:


[...stuff zapped...]

 MK> Unless they've moved, it seems odd that a BBS company would shut down
 MK> their own support system.  Could someone give me the new number, if
 MK> there is one?  I won't be sending my order in until I find out what's
 MK> going on.

They've moved. The new numbers are as follows: 1-403-347-3262 for 14.4 HST
                                                        Or
                                               1-403-347-3269 for V.32



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From: Terry_Palfrey@mindlink.bc.ca (Terry Palfrey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Supra Modem Problem :-)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:34:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world



>In Message #4236127, Robert Huebner advises;

>Terry_Palfrey@mindlink.bc.ca (Terry Palfrey) about,

>>hear a ringing tone, a click then the modem disconnects and dials
>> the next number in the queue. This happens in NComm2.0 and Jr-Comm
>> environments.

>There's really no solution other than to put the modem into "dumb" mode
>(with the ATX command).  The 1.2 ROMS do nothing to rectify this situation.

And now Terry Palfrey wishes to say he has had nothing but first time
connects all night and morning.   :-)

Thank you for the advice.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: reaper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jason Daniel Butler)
Subject: Re: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:36:22 GMT

ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar) writes:

>Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for the Amiga?  I
>don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to call up one of the school's 
>Sparc stations and use the X enviroment.

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The new term X-Comm seems to be what you want, but it hasn't been released
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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:40:45 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner) writes:

>I am happy to see that its being thoroughly tested.  Hopefully this
>will avoid the innumerable problems that crop up with each new release
>of "Term".

  I had more than my share of problems come back to haunt me, hopefully I'll
be a bit better at it this time through. ;-)

>One question, though.  Are there any plans for bi-directional
>transfer protocols?

  Sorry to say, no.  I'd love to implement one, and I've toyed with the idea
of simplifing/rewriting ZMODEM to handle bidirectional transfers, but I just
don't have the time.  Maybe after I put this release to bed I can finally
catch up on some of that.  No promises though.

  -jack-
From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:54:49 PST
Organization: BBS

> From: tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz)
 
What do you think us PD programmers release source code FOR, if not
for other people to make use of it?
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:08:43 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:

>Well, this is kind of a stupid question, but at the end of trhe Spring
>semster, there was all kinds of talk about a new version of JRComm, and
>a bunch of questions about the old version.  Since I've returned to school,
>I have not noticed a single post regarding the comm prog.

>What have I missed?  Is Jack Radigan dead?  Is the new version so powerful
>that no one can speak?

  I'm still here.

  It's still in beta test and taking much longer than expected.  The past month
was gummed up by two not-so-minor crisis' at work.

  -jack-
From: Fady_Kardoush@amusers.UUCP (Fady Kardoush)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: V.Fast Transfer Rates
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:05:22 PST
Organization: The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

In a message dated Thu 27 Aug 92  2:47, Jack Radigan wrote:

 JR>   If you think that V.fast is going to go beyond 21k on the public
 JR> phone 
 JR> system anytime soon, you're dreaming or on *very* good drugs... ;-)

Well, usually they do not consider that when a new item is in creation. :)
BUT - With the new fiber-optic cables, heck! Who know how much you can
pull!

 -- AEd V1.36/Eval

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From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:53:57 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did Camillo.Sars@hut.fi really type:
> >HST.  From one source, Ive heard that HST was faster than
> >SupraFax's protocal.  Like SupraFax would get only 1600 cps
> >transfering the same file as HST at 1800 cps.  Is there any validity
> >to that statement?  
> 
> >Which is faster?  I would think they were the same.
> 
> When transferring in one direction, its very much up to the kind of
> data you transmit. If both connect at 14,400 with BTLZ compression,
> who knows which is faster. I suspect that V.32bis is faster, but I
> haven't tested it.

Having owned several high speed modems of the HST and V.32bis variety (all
with V.42bis which matters ZIP on archives [ok, ok, bad pun!]) I feel safe
to state an opinion on this subject.  A 14.4k HST, with or without V.42bis,
will yield a higher transfer rate than a V.32bis modem in unidirectional
transfers - given you are transferring precompressed data.  The HST is less
sensitive to line noise an always gives me a good 100 CPS faster transfer
rate.  This is in line with most sysops forcing an HST connection between
two Dual Standards rather than running with a V.32bis connection.  And just
when you thought HST was dead, USR gives us 16.8k which yields an average of
2000 CPS (or better.)
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From: mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Public domain (was Re: C-NET)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:50:02 GMT
Organization: AMiSYS Consulting
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <tdietz.04wn@tcedge.mi.org> tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz) writes:
> In an article, chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
> >tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz) writes:
> >
> >ummm.. you better check your legalities again.  PD means PUBLIC DOMAIN. 
> >Anything in the public domain can be used by anyone, for anything.  You can
> >even copywrite something public domain yourself, though it may not stand up
>
> Well, you can call the Copyright office in Washington D.C.  Public Domain does 
> indeed mean "public domain", it does give you the right to own it, this is 
> true.  However, the message on Steve Drews code says that you cannot 
> distribute his code outside of his archive.  And it does clearly display the 
> Copyright notice.  This argument has become very tiresome, I have seen that 
> many people do not care if someone steals other code, that is fine.  If you 
> enjoy your BBS program and have no problem with ethics, fine.  I however have 
> different views, that I will write something, then sell it, not steal it, and 
> then sell it.  That is my personal opinion on this subject, like it has been 
> from day one.  Not to discredit anyone, but this argument is just going in 
> circles.

It's not going in circles, but I *do* think some people are confused.  Some
authors label their code as both public domain *and* claim a copyright.  This
is not possible.  If they want to claim a copyright, it is not public domain.
If they wish it to be public domain, they cannot claim a copyright.  Now, I've
never seen Steve Drew's code, but if there's a copyright notice in there, then
it is definitely NOT public domain, and anyone who uses that code without
Steve's permission is doing so illegally, and is leaving themselves open to a
potential lawsuit.  But only if Steve decides to enforce his copyright.
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From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:40:12 GMT
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95f

In an article, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:

>kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>

>>So, stupid, get it:  HST is the past!  Even USR is going for V.fast 28,800
>>and letting HST die now!!!
>

>  If you think that V.fast is going to go beyond 21k on the public phone 
>system anytime soon, you're dreaming or on *very* good drugs... ;-)

I can get a V.fast modem today from Motorola Codex which is supposed to do 
24.4Kbps on the public network, and 115Kbps on lease lines..(and they will 
upgrade it from free to the finalized V.fast standard one released)


$1300 isn't a bad list price for the modem either, since the HST Dual Standard 
lists for about the same price(and is alot slower)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cseaman@sequent.com (Chris "No problemo" Seaman)
Subject: Re: C-NET
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:24:54 GMT


tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz) writes:
< PD code is still Copywritten.  Copywritten code is protected for the basic 
< principle of someone else cannot sell it.  People that produce PD code are a 
< good asset to the Amiga community, they share there knowledge openly with 
< others, this code is STILL copywritten, this is the what copyright office
< says is protected:

I don't want to go too far afield from the original topic of
discussion, and I have little background on the specifics of this
debate, but the above statement is utterly false.

Public domain means just that: owned by the PUBLIC.  Any work placed
into the public domain MAY NOT be copyrighted.  Derivative works
may be, but the public domain portion remains in the public domain.

For example, many old movies are in the public domain.  Ted Turner
has taken many of these, colorized them, and distributed the
colorized versions.  These colorized versions are copyrighted by
Turner (Communications?), but the original films are not.

In the case of public domain software, any or all of it may be
included an another program or set of programs.  It may be left
intact, or butchered beyond recognition.  It may be distributed as
part of a 'free' package, or as a commercial product.  Remember,
however, that while the product, and any enhancements or modifications
to the public domain code may by copyrighted, the public domain
code itself may not.

To be fair, reputable authors (those with a shred of integrity)
should at least feel inclined to offer credit to the authors of
any public domain routines used in their product.  If nothing else,
this encourages the continuation of programming efforts in the
public domain.

By the way, the correct word is 'copyrighted', not 'copywritten',
which carries a completely different meaning.

Regards,
Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: "Stefan Berg" <sgberg@peach.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:21:19 -0500

jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:

>Did kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org really type:
>> 
>> The HST standard uses a backtalk channel at only 450 bps, when
>> Supra/TwinCom etc.  uses a full-blown backtalk on 14,400 bps, so consider
>> HST the slowest...

>I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.  When using an HST verses a V.32bis
>modem on an Amiga with Zmodem, the HST yields a faster transfer rate *all*
>the time on the order of 100 to 250 CPS better.  And when using a new
>16.8k HST, one sees over 2000 CPS to the V.32bis 1600 to 1650 CPS.  And
>as far as transferring mail with my NEC, since my outgoing packet is
>on the order of 50k to the incoming 800k, well, I think you can figure
>out the math that the HST is faster in unidirectional transfer than would
>be an (currently non-existent) Amiga bi-directional mailer protocol that
>talks to FrontDoor, D'Bridge, or BinkleyTerm.

I`m afraid I don`t follow your logic, either. I don`t know anything about
HST, but if it is true, that the HST has one channel going at approx. 2000cps
and the other at 450cps, then it really depends on the individual needs,
before you can say anything about which is better or not.

If all you do is call BBS`s and do things like downloading programs (and only
an occasional upload), then you will certainly have a speed advantage with
the HST modem. I`m running a usenet node and have quite some junk going
through my node (in *and* out). If one direction is 300cps faster or not is
no big deal for me. Having one direction going 1200cps slower is a major
problems (especially since you pay a lot more for a HST modem).

Now I`m really curious (after having talked so much). What are the *real*
rating of HST? It can go 16.8k out and how much in? Can you run a HST with
V.42/V.42bis, to get the additional compression advantage? Or does it have
its own compression protocol (which hopefully is equally good)? The
original message mentioned 450cps, which makes me guess, that the inbound
rating of the HST is only 4800 bps. Makes me think about the 1200/75bps
modems, which were in use in Germany back when I was a "little" kid... :)

Stefan











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From: richardc@vogue.adsp.sub.org (Richard Carde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:50:14 GMT
Organization: Amiga Developer (GPSoftware ACM093)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug29.183743.25326@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
 
>    Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?
>    I've owned Paragon since 1990 or so, and have been a patient owner, but this
> guy is starting to really get on my nerves. Is something happening in his real
> life that's preventing him from responding to registered owner problems, or is
> he just being snooty? 

He's get's too much mail to reply to it/read it all.

I can see why he gets so much mail - so many problems still!!  And it's
getting on EVERYONE's nerves!!

Now, I've been told he takes his holidays around this time of year, but this
time he's told people he has another programming job and he's not talking
about BBS's until that's complete in 2-3 months.  Now, to me, that's just
NOT acceptable if he's supposed to be supplying/suppporting his product!

For me so far, it's NOT performing to my satisfaction. I wonder if I have
grounds to demand a refund as the product simply does not do as it's
supposed to!  I wonder what would happen if every dis-satisfied customer
wanted a refund.  I wish he would run his business AS A BUSINESS.

>    Flames >hell:, please. This is a legitimate Q, so I'd appreciate only
> legitimate answers.

FLAMES >/dev/null
 
> Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: The cause for Term problems? (Now: A problem FOUND!)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:59:38 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: Okay...  I give up.  Nobody else seems to be having problems, so...

Wow!  I've had several responses.  The good majority of the responses
I've got through mail are one of two types:

1) Job Manager is a problem, don't use it.  I've stopped, and one and
a half problems seem to have disappeared.

2) I'm not the only one having problems with Term.  However, most of
them don't bother to POST thier problems, they just survive with them,
and hope they'll be gone soon.  So I'm not alone in this.

Well, thought I'd update the bugs that I've been able to reliably
reproduce to this date.

I _WAS_ using JM 1.1b.  Since removing, there has been a change in the way
things have been happening, though not dramatic enough to make me happy.

Note:  If I could _FIND_ any of these problems in the source, or what
would cause them, I'd have fixed it, and sent a diff instead of a
complaint.  ;)


Known bugs:

When one tries to clip text on the buffer _SCREEN_, the system gurus (not
caught by 2.0!) the entire system.  Eminently reproducible.

When one tries to clip text on the terminal itself, the results were
different than when JM 1.1b was running.  Now, I'm able to hold down the
mouse button, and BEGIN to clip text...  The cursor changes... then,
at a
seemingly random point in time during the clip action itself, 2.0 catches
a guru.  (Note:  these are ALL 80000003 gurus...)  My best guess is either
a message problem between term and intuition, or a problem with the way
the code works...  But I think probably the first.

The status-window-close problem bug is gone, by removing JM.  This is sad,
because I liked two of the utilities that came with JM in particular, PRI
and PS.  PS gave a full listing of all processes and tasks, and PRI let
you change any of the priorites for any task or process...

Another problem which HASN'T changed is a bug with opening an 8-color
hires display.  I'm able to reliably guru the machine with one dialing
preference in particular, and I'm anxious to send this out to someone to
see if it can be reproduced.



There's another small problem:

I've noticed, through MungWall and MungList, that term is allocating
memory and leaving some behind when it closes...  I'm not sure on what,
where, or what kind, but careful use of these programs is vital in finding
memory losses.  Use the NAMETAG feature of MungWall, and munglist can tell
who allocates what...



However, it does seem that there are no more MungWall reports from Term
and the buffer, so I'm overjoyed.  :)

Thanks, all.

Greg

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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Re: C-NET
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:04:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>>ummm.. you better check your legalities again.  PD means PUBLIC DOMAIN.
>>Anything in the public domain can be used by anyone, for anything.  You can
>>even copywrite something public domain yourself, though it may not stand up
>Well, you can call the Copyright office in Washington D.C.  Public Domain does
>indeed mean "public domain", it does give you the right to own it, this is
>true.  However, the message on Steve Drews code says that you cannot
>distribute his code outside of his archive.  And it does clearly display the
>Copyright notice.  This argument has become very tiresome, I have seen that

Then he should remove the claim of Public Domain (if it's there).  The two
notices cannot apply to the same code.  This sounds like a semantics
problem, not an ethical problem.  If he claims rights, then I would respect
them (if I had whatever he wrote), but if it's PD, it's PD.

-Joel
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From: theune@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Peter Theune)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Kermit
Summary: Where can I get Kermit?
Keywords: comms,kermit,amiga
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcen.1992Sep3.153316.18895
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

Hello netlanders;

	Anyone know where I can get a copy of Kermit for the Amiga?

	I don't really want to bye the entire tape from Columbia, just
get the executables.

	Most of the machines I connect to don't support any download
program other than Kermit.

Thanks for any pointers or help.

Peter Theune
Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab
Johns Hopkins Rd. Laurel Md. 20723

theune@jhuapl.edu