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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Hissing...
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.000652.4047@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <By4z5o.HHB@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
>>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>
>>>   One of the women took me to task afterwards, telling me that I was
>>>born this way, and that the contacts I had made only showed me the
>>>'truth of my existence.'
>>
>>I think, however, that in describing this interchange you ought not to
>>have stressed the sex of your interlocutor ("one of the women", etc.),
>>as it is truly irrelevant & might be taken as slur on that sex.  Men
>>are *at least* as much given to that kind of claptrap as women are.
>
>I dunno... I think men are given to a different *kind* of
>claptrap. When gay men hear that I'm bisexual, they sometimes act
>amused and condescending ("I was bisexual once", "you're still
>experimenting", "denial ain't just a river in Egypt" (pace Stuart
>Smalley)). I don't experience actual *hostility*. Most of my bi
>women friends, on the other hand, *have* experienced hostility
>from some lesbians, who see being bisexual as "fraternising with
>the enemy" or somesuch. The hissing sounds like that.

Suggesting a tangent here: if bi's are going to be hissed at, how come
we don't have a term of derogation by which we can chummily refer to
ourselves, but that we can paradoxically getting huffy when used by
out-group members?  Can you think of a despised minority that doesn't
have at least one such term?

"Bi" is a kind of slang, but it's backformed from "bisexual", and is
a little colorless for an epithet.  "Homo" has, of course, a similar
derivation, but it's but one of (probably) dozens of terms.  Bi's
(and bi-phobes) only have "bi".  I've been trying to be inventive about
this, but it's messy.  Here are some possible starting points:

	confused - as in, "she's just confused about her sexuality
		right now..."

	traitor - as in, "I was seeing this great guy, but then one
		day he says he's getting married to a WOMAN tomorrow..."

	tricky - this one covers a lot of the nuances of the above, but
		but with emphatic overtones of sluttishness...

	bisexual - hey, this is an idea: keeping "bi" as the legitimate
		term, while relegating the more clinical term to the
		status of epithet.  It sounds so H_I_S_S_Y when you lay
		stress on the second syllable -- perfect for those odd
		fits of jealousy ("If you weren't so biSEXual, you'd see
		what an airhead she is..."), regardless of whether
		you're bi or bi-phobic.  Also good for vague poly-
		syllabic objections: "Oh, let's not go to Cafe X, it's
		just so...y'know...bisexual recently."  I kind
		of like this one....

It bothers me that these are all adjectives, though.

Maybe there should be different terms for bi women vs. bi men?

Or maybe I should just drop the whole thing and do something useful with
my life?
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Organization: Rational
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:21:47 GMT

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
>opinions about. OK, so there are prejudicial bits of legislation out there, but
>I know plenty of heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as lesbigays, but
>are put off by political hackery from supporting the cause.

When governments allow our sexuality to be do/be, then I don't think that
there will be any need to hold political opinions about it.  However at
the moment there are way more than just  "prejudicial bits of legislation" out
there.  As for the heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as we do, I find
they are often very comfortable with queers as long as we don't  flaunt
it, i.e. hold hands in public. Personally, political hackery is not for me,
however I am glad that there are people who find it to their taste, and who are
prepared to fight against those "bits" of legislation.  I think any political
movement (and maybe this is where we disagree) needs a wide spectrum of
actions if it is to succeed, and that includes militant queers, establishment
queers, personal political acts etc.........

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: Really a new post but I don't know how to do it:)
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:38:00 +0000


> I am conducting a contest.
> It is an essay contest.
> The subject is what masturbation means to you.
> The winner gets their choice from a box of tissues and a vibrator.
> (In the interest of Gender Fuck of course):)

Where's the genderfuck? I use both!

> I thought that I would post it here because you are all so 
> HUGABLE and FUN.

We aim to please.

<sigh>

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| "When I grow up, I want to give up being  |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| a Journalist and learn how to write..."   |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:59:17 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <1992Nov20.172408.7219@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Now my question is, how do you other folks with bi groups, in Boston,
>Ediburgh, Bay Area, or wherever deal with crackpots.  You've talked about
>the sex pests that come through a little bit, but these are different.

( Ok, everyone!  Let's all pretend that she's the only one. )

Gee Heather, I don't know what you're talking about.  It must be some
kind of weird Chicago thing.  Nope, never happens here.  Only 100%
normal people with no problems show up at our meetings.  In fact, we
don't know why we have meetings anymore since there isn't much to talk
about since we don't even have any issues or problems, etc.

However, outside of the group, New Jersey has had 3 car-jacking
incidents in 3 weeks.  Well, that's not 100% true.  I mean, there were
two incidents but while looking for #1's body they found someone else's
body in a near-by swamp.  What luck!  This unexpected find was last
seen alive in Illinois.

Anyway...

Here's how I've dealt with the issue (crackpots, not car-jacking).
We've coddled the person as much as the group could stand, but if it
persisted, I would finally confront the person and ask them if they
feel they are dominating the group.  If they don't get the hint, I tell
them that they are.

I must sound like a real tyrant.  Really I'm a nice guy.  Luckily this
kind of thing actually doesn't happen all that often.  It happens more
often in Oct/Nov/Dec because those are the "holiday stress months"
and the weird in all of us really comes out then.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Higgy higgy forward, higgy higgy higgy higgy higgy shake!  Yeeaaah!"

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:31:49 GMT

In article <s882916.721962102@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
> Hmm this subject has always been kind of interesting to me. My sister is
>also bi and has hinted at it to my mum and my mum took it just fine. In fact
>my friend had a party and my mum came along and there was a lesbian there
>who said to my mum" Your daughter is gorgeous and I'm really attracted to her"
>My mum replied " thank you. I think she's lovely too" So if I ever get a 
>female lover in the same city as my mum I'd tell my mum. (I hope!)

It sounds as if your Mom already knows and understands - that's soooo cool.
My mom thinks its gross and "abnormal" - I have a hard enough time just
getting her to deal with my going to a different church than she does!


>etc etc." Plus everyone says I don't look like  a dyke!!!???!!!!!! And this is
>Dykes who say this. 

Okay, so here's a question - why is it that gays and lesbians seem to
believe that every one who is *not* het shouldn't *look* het.  I know, I
know, it's yet another way of openly declaring one's sexuality, just like the
T-shirts and pins etc.  But why is it that we are seen as somehow *wrong*,
or at least not serious about being lesbigay if we look just like the
average het on the street?  I mean really!  I look like the average
girl-next-door, and quite frankly, that's also the kind of woman I am
attracted to.  I don't believe that makes me any less bi than someone who
"looks" lesbigay.

Comments???

*Sarah*  :)
From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:13:56
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak50.doc.ic.ac.uk
In-reply-to: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:36:25 GMT

In article <daz.721971385@murillo> daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm) writes:
>s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>>Being married is a very easy way to hide. All my friends know that I'm bi.
>
>A very easy way to hide from what?

In its original context it was bloody obvious (IMHO) what was meant.
Read again, more carefully.

Also, when following up, PLEASE include more than just one or two lines
of the preceeding article. You might as well not have included the above
line, for all the good it did.

-Morven/Matt [not in a good mood today]

--
| Matthew J. Brown  | Dept. of Computing | If God intended for us to go to   |
| mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk  | Imperial College,  | lectures He wouldn't have created |
| mjb02@cc.ic.ac.uk | 180 Queen's Gate   | double-sided photocopiers.        |
| Morven on Lambda  | LONDON SW7 2AZ     |          -IC RagMag 1991/92       |
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

Quoting cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk in article <memo.762390@cix.compulink.co.uk>:
[flame of someone at a conference.]

someone you're fairly specific about and in some ways misrepresent
entirely.  Clive, I really don't think this post was in order.
  __                                _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul."  \X/ 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@chopin.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll)
Subject: Re: Looking for INFO
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:04:14 GMT

In article <lg34emINNpn7@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Jim Dilmore says...
>
>>Try and dispel some rumors which are prevelant on your campus.
>>"What would you do if your brother was beaten up by a gang of
>>skinheads?  What if your brother were gay?"       ^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>It's a rumour that all skinheads are facist fag-bashers.
>
Not to step on anyone's toes, but I feel I should defend Jim here before
anyone thinks he was making generalizations.

The skinheads here in Newark, DE are very active fag-bashers and are none
too subtle about it.  Various people have been jumped and/or threatened.
Some have even been followed to their apartment complex, where the
skinheads would hang around the following weekend, waiting to cause
trouble.

So the poster idea that he suggested was appropriate to this campus,
but as pointed out, may not be appropriate elsewhere.

ObFluffiness:  Hugs and fuzzies to all takers and a double batch to Jim,
Zoe, and other UD lurkers.

-James

-- 
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But if some one really cared/well they'd take the time to spare
A moment to try and understand/another one's despair
-Axl Rose, "Breakdown"-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-
From: aw007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (adam alan wright)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Being Bisexual in College
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:34:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

-----------This is my first post so *please* bear with me.------------

I am an undergraduate at the University of Rochester in New York. I am
bisexual. In highschool, I was pretty much out of the closet.  I went to a
small highschool in Massachusetts, just outside of Boston.  I feel as if
I've regressed in my sexuality since I've been in college.  So many people
here are completley homophobic and closed-minded.  It's frustrating when I
thought that college was supposed to be an open, liberal and acceping
environment.  Is anyone experiencing something similar?  If so, buzz my
mailbox or post it.  Hugs and Kisses to all Bisexual/Gay/Lesbian women and
men.
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: RSR - please e-mail me!!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:52:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov17.141809.10189@schbbs.mot.com> TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
->Roy, please e-mail me as I wish to get back
->to chatting with you!!

General hint number 1:

Having 'Roy' or 'RSR' in the subject line in soc.bi or alt.sex.bondage will
result in having me read it.  Always.  :)

Male^H^Hil on its way ... *blush*

-roy


-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
Xref: sparky soc.bi:15442 soc.motss:48838
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Maybe CO-2 isn't so evil after all.
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:48:45 GMT

[]
There is a misperception, I think, that antidiscrimination
laws are intended to dispel bigotry, or that they have
something to do with government-mandated compassion.
That's an obvious fallacy.  Anti-discrimination laws are a
response to the sad truth that bigotry is here and that its
victims deserve some legal protection.

These laws are very obviously not going to create universal
love, nor are they even going to create universal acceptance
of diversity.  These laws exist in order to limit the 
considerable damage that bigotry does.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm back.  Still need catalogs.
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:30:58 GMT

In article <andreaf.722131607@bonnie> andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:
>Wow!  I get busy/sick for two weeks, and there are 769 (!) messages
>in this group!  My, my, my, we *are* a verbal bunch...

Wow.  I wish my system here didn't kill off the files so quickly.  I think
I have 3 days from the time stuff gets posted to read it before it goes away.
Unfortunately, there are times when I have to go up to a week w/o reading at
all.  I've posted something and not gotten back to the net before it expired,
so that I have no idea if it even made it or not.  *pout*  I would willingly
put up with 769 messages to read through, if it meant I could follow all the
threads from start to finish.  Oh well . . .

Darren
("Oh!  THAT'S why he always seems so lost!")
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:17:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov16.021734.5065
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1992Nov13.192345.4639@infodev.cam.ac.uk> 
 crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>There are definitely two distinct sets of lesbigays in Cambridge - the
>politically motivated, and the others. I never, ever, get involved in the
>politics of sexuality - hence never turning up to the abovementioned meetings.
>I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
>opinions about. OK, so there are prejudicial bits of legislation out there, 
>but I know plenty of heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as 
>lesbigays, but are put off by political hackery from supporting the cause.

There may be some kind of spectrum here. It sounds like I might rate as
"political" compared to you, but as "apolitical" compared to folks
I know who go to Queer Nation and a couple of other meetings every week.

I tend to be a bit more low-key, and I guess I'm trying to work in the
long haul, not go for a fast burn-out; but I've got a political/ideological
outlook.

One part of this may be that I came out, and identified with the gay/lesbian
and feminist communities some time back, and having this as part of
my public identity even when my interpersonal sex life has been non-existent
has shaped my outlook.

I've met 20 year olds who by their own accounts have had more sex with more
people than me (at nearly 40), but there is a kind of accumulation of
self-assurance over all this time being out.

I give money to the ACLU, and the Speak-Out program and other gay rights
membership organizations. And I'm working in some forums like the churchs
which don't always have immediate payoffs and may not offer dramatic 
confrontations like civil disobedience (most of the time). But I think
there's a lot of politics/ideology and even theology woven into this all.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:43:57 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <BxrwyC.6on@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov15.094230.26584@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|> >   No, I suspect with that thing the enlargement is an intentional
|> >side-effect.  I've seen it advertised elsewhere, and the ads make a
|> >specific point of mentioning that it's for penis enlarging.
|> 
|> The *only* study to show this ever was the one commissioned by the
|> original manufacturers.  All independent studies have shown no
|> quantifiable effect at all, apart from a slight local swelling at
|> the time of application.  (Whether the stories I've heard from med
|> students about these things causing varicose veins are true or not
|> I've *no* idea! :-) [probably a UL])
|> 
|> They've probably started emphasising the 'pleasureable' (?) aspect of
|> these things to avoid false advertising suits, though it would be a
|> brave man indeed to stand up in court and say he'd tried a penis
|> enlarger *and it didn't work*.
|> 
|> btw, they've been showing the operation for penoplasty on british TV
|> here recently, and it's *gross*.  Your dick is stuffed with fat out
|> your arse and goes all thick and squidgy.  Bleh.
|> 
|> G
|> -- 

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... and GROSS!!

js




Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Gender-specific needs
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:52:52 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Nov17145043@anableps.berkeley.edu>
      muffy@anableps.berkeley.e>du (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>...I've
>done so little of one (with women) and so much of the other that the
>former keeps popping into my mind...*smile*.

   Whereas, while I've done a lot with *both*, my last four months have
been so overwhelmingly heterosexual that I'm really just aching to
spend the night next to a man, all limbs and angles and smells
oh-so-different... *sigh*.

         Elf !!!
-- 
      __        |
      \/        |                2 Corinthians 4:4
Elf Sternberg   |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Hello again (I'm baaaaaaaaaack...kinda)!
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:00:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.161251.2578@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman) writes:
>	Enormous group *HUG*s to all those so inclined (or reclined...)

Yay!  Welcome back buddy.  We missed you.

So you're working in Queens, hmmm???? :)

G
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Guaranteed Irish
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:46:14 GMT


A few years ago there was a high-profile campaign which tried to
encourage Irish people to spend their money on Irish products rather
than on imported goods, and hence more Irish jobs could be created.

Two slogans/logos were used. One was the "guaranteed Irish" symbol (a
stylised "g" in green). The other... I had to laugh when the newscaster
mentioned it this morning, saying that the campaign may be relaunched.
It is "Buy Irish."

Can any Irish or ex-Irish bi-ters remember any more details about these?
I am thinking that it might be possible to design a "Bi Irish" t-shirt
or poster :-)


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Pope se...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:47:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I didn't mean for this to turn political. While I can agree with what Ms.
O'Connor said, I didn't like the way she said it. I found her mode of attack
to be detremental to her point. Most people didn't hear her, or try and 
understand what she was saying. She got boo'd off the stage next week and 
ended up quitting show biz. 

But I would like to discuss the idea of sex in heaven as well as religion.
Why is there no sex in heaven? What is there to do there? And if the next life
doesn't look like this one what is the point of this one? How would one make
beer in heaven anyway, what would be the source of the hops?

I think the whole probelm goes back the this guy named Zoraster, who before he
wrote the theme to 2001 came up with this classification system for everything
He divided the world up into 2 halves (which is easier than 3). On one side, 
You have Matter, Darkness, and Evil, and on the other side you have Spirit,
Light, and Goodness. Well somehow sex got put on the wrong side of the line.
(What does this say about his lovelife?)

Ben Gibson (Philospher? yeah right.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian