From: eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda perfection management
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:50:11 GMT
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In-reply-to: aland@informix.com's message of 21 Jan 93 04:12:26 GMT


   >how many vehicles do you know of which had 0 defects 0 repairs
   >in that many miles?  please name the makes and models of such vehicles
   >that you have owned or you know about for sure.

  The only absolute 0 and 0 I personally have experience with in over 30K miles
   are my mom's Saturn SL1 and my Toyota Celica GT-S.  (The GT-S ate its
   fuel pump at about 38K, to the tune of $500).  My Probe GT had zero defects 
   on delivery and has none so far (3K miles).

good luck with it!  
do you pay sick amounts for insurance for the Probe GT?  

   None of the 7 Hondas bought new in my family in the last 11 years qualifies.
   Three ate one or both front rotors, for example.

hmm.  that sounds suspiciously like normal wear and tear,
for someone who uses the brakes a lot (city driving?).
i bet the dealer gave you grief on that one if you tried
to get it fixed under warranty though.  or was it that they kept
getting warped.  improperly torqued?  whatever, point taken anyway.

   >i bought 2 new GM products, each had thousands

   What year(s)?  What models?

85 Z28, 89 Z28.  the 85 was more reliable, actually.
(it was carbed.)  the 3rd gen f-body cars had the worst
reliability in all of GM, so i realize i was at the bottom
of GM's barrel with respect to reliability.  that's why it
is so refreshing to be at the top of the reliability barrel
with Honda, now.

   >of dollars of warranty work done IN THE FIRST 3 MONTHS, and thousands
   >more done by 50k.  if i typed in all the problems, your fuckin disk
   >drive would overflow.  if anyone objects to my use of "yucky swear
   >words", use a kill file so you don't have to read my articles.

   Not a bad thought.

go for it!  i just can't stand getting mail from self righteous
weenoids who must complain every time i use fucktuation.
usually i try not to fucktuate when posting from work-owned machines,
but just this once or twice, really.

   >regarding your scoffing at my "expectations", because i'm impressed
   >with perfection after 35k and 15k miles.  drop some facts instead of
   >attitude, guy.  

   Two cars does not a trend make.

actually it does make a trend.  a trend of 2.

   Come back and post again when you have 100K on each.

you know it.  now you go away too until your Probe hits 100k, eh? ;)

   Neither of your cars is beyond the 3 years / 36K level.

irrelevant to my point.  the Zs were shitting left and right
WAY before 36k.  lucky i had 75k mile warranty on the 89.

   >also, what point are you trying to make with the 36k warranty
   >mention below?  is it ok with you if your car shits the bed as
   >long as it is covered under warranty?  do you have a lot of time

   Of course not -- the point is that it's in the manufacturer's financial best
   interest to make damn sure everything is right in that timeframe, at least.

that's your point.  my point is that cars that require returning
to the dealer when they are still new are lousy cars.  priorities
change.  gut wrenching bang for the buck is now less important to 
me than minimization of dealer-oriented new car service problems.

   If your sole interest is anecdotal flamage, take this to email.

no, no.

   Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

      "The other night I was lying in bed, looking up at the stars, and
		 I wondered, "Where the FUCK is my ROOF ?!?"
					 -- cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu

that's a good one.  who is this cad garden dude, what groups
does s/he write in?

/eli