From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Labelling laws.
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:17:34 GMT

In article <1gik4tINNhj4@armory.centerline.com> mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben) writes:
}In article <1992Dec13.105242.7647@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
}> I know plenty of libertarians who'd like to
}>liberate themselves a little bit by taking over a US county government.
}>That way, they'd control the court, sheriff, coroner, etc.  Then they
}>could privatize almost everything, have IRS agents and others arrested
}>for vagracy ("no legitimate means of support") if they enter the area,
}>jail 'em, and have the coroner pronounce them dead :-).
}>
}>However, they're being so oppressed by confiscatory taxation, regulation,
}>etc., that they can't even do this!  Much less the free country projects
}>which have failed due to Statist intervention.
}>
}>Mike, you just don't know what you're talking about on this.
}
}Oh, right.  There's no incremental benefit to establishing partial
}libertarianism: only if you go 100% should you look to any demonstrable
}competitive benefit.  Gee, even the Maharishi promises better if only
}1% start practicing TM.

Non-sequitur.  See the above, where I explained how the State prevents us
from the liberation of a mere county, much less a country.  Then read it
very carefully, so as not to lose comprehension again.

}You want to start your own nation?  Go ahead.  The Israelis did.  Without
}ancient animosities to hinder you, you could probably bribe a nation to
}support your secession of a province and sponsor you into the UN.  There is
}no shortage of desperately poor nations with whom you could contract (and
}with whose population of that province you could contract).  If Israel can
}build an industrial nation in a desert, I don't know why libertarians
}couldn't try.  Put your money where your mouth is: Jews worldwide have
}demonstrated it works.  Try Guyana or Surinam.

See the above once again.  The part about "free country projects."  This
has been tried, and the American Empire has stopped it every time.  The
Minerva project got stopped when the USA induced the King of Tonga to claim
it; the case is still in international court, as I understand it.  Another
libertarian activist was organizing an overthrow of the marxists in Suriname,
made the mistake of telling the CIA about it, and they put a stop to it.
They'd rather have the commies in power than have a free society in existence
anywhere on the planet.

}Now some may point to the fact that Israel has been subsidized both by
}our government and by private contributions of Jews.  That shouldn't be
}any obstacle to libertarians: they should be able to solicit both of those
}just as easily.

Private contributions aren't a problem.  A free country could be an
incredibly profitable venture.  Free banking would be a booming industry;
if diplomatic recognition could be had, then extra-territoriality could
be sold from embassies - free trade zones all over the world, all for the
price of admission.

The problem is that the American Empire doesn't want such a venture to make
it look bad by comparison, and they're willing to engage in coercion to
stop it, contrary to your fantasies about the "consensual" nature of the
USA.

}"Utopias now appear much more realizable than one used to think.  We are now
}faced with a different new worry: How to prevent their realization."
}						Nicolas Berdiaeff

Except for the fact that a libertaria wouldn't be utopian, but the best
possible, this is the problem that the American Empire has solved: the
prevention of any such threat to their reputation.

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire