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From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic contact people
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:16:15 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

The following information is from the special Pennsic mailing that will
go out in about a month.  (Copies will be sent to the members in 7 kingdoms
and to the seneschals and chroniclers of the rest; others can buy at cost,
once we know what that is, while supplies last.)

Note: It is too late to obtain merchant space for this year.

Pennsic XXI Staff

Autocrat: Duke Sir Gavin Kilkenny of Kilcarren -- Peter Ellis, 
18 Liverpool Ct., Jackson, NJ 08527

Asst. Autocrat: Master Lawrence Thornguard - Joel Doner, 100 Miller Ave., 
Lindenwold, NJ 08002 

Marshall in Charge: Master Bjorn Karlson -- John Slack, 9 Scherig St.,
Methuen, MA 01844 

Chirurgeon: [to be determined in the next few days]

Herald: Master Fridrikr Tomasson -- Tom Ireland-Delfs, 731 S.              
Main St., Newark, NY 14513 

Security: Lord Cahan Kyle -- William Kyle, RD # 1 Box 426, Blairs
Mills, PA 17213 

Arts & Sciences: Baroness Katherine Jade -- 5 Hidden Trails, Lancaster, 
NY 14086 and Lady Elinore Silverquill

Music/Dance: Lord Geoffrey Chamberlain --  Jeffrey Rothman, 19th
Street, Wading River, NY 11792 and Lady Rosamund de Tournai

Volunteer Coordinator: Lady Katherine Barr Cumberland -- Sandy Parker, 100
Miller Ave., Lindenwold, NJ 08002

Troll: Mistress Morgana bro Morganwg  -- Carole Shieber, 4043 Cleveland, # 2E,
St. Louis, MO 63110

Land Distribution: Herr Johan von Traubenberg -- John Kasper, 610 Lenox Ave.,
Pittsburgh, PA 15221 

Archery: Lord Bleddian ab Cynin -- Thomas Mundy, 83 Jefferson Drive,
Spotswood, NJ 08884

Newcomers' Information/Chatelaine's Point:
Lady Julleran da Mestre -- Kathy Everitt, 1352 Maple Ave., Croydon, PA 19021  

Public Works: Lord Thorolf Egillsen -- Clifford Frank, 79 Nill St.,
Babylon, NY 11704 

Children's Activities: Baroness Mairgret of Carrigart -- Patricia Mizzi, 299
Handsome Ave, Sayville, NY 11782 

Tournament and Battlefield Coordinator:
Duchess Rowan de la Garnisson --  Loie Hodge, 986 Route 5,
Utica, NY 13501 

Fencing Marshal: Lady Gwyneth ferch Meredydd Ynys Mon -- Kristin Hugya, 
27 Salem St., Wakefield, MA 01880

Merchant Autocrat (Note: This office is part of the Coopers' staff):
Rachel Haid, 1396 Isabella Avenue, Union, NJ 07083-5329
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From: andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Subject: Magyar personas
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:42:02 GMT

How many of you have Magyar personas?  If there are several of us, I'd like
to start up mailing list.  At least where I am, there are not many of us,
and I'd like a forum for sharing information, which I, at least, deperately
need!  Please send email if you're interested.

Sandorfia Miklos
andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
From: Syr.Jonathon.MacNaughton@f104.n170.z1.fidonet.org (Syr Jonathon MacNaughton)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Wars of conquest-No!
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1992 09:32:17 -0500

 RW>Hmmn... does this mean that when Ansteorra and Trimaris meet in
 RW>Meridies for Gulf War 1 this Spring that winner gets both the
 RW>conquered kingdom AND Meridies?  ... but I thought we broke away
 RW>from Atenveldt 20 years ago --- do we want to put it back
 RW>together????   (Perish the thought - I travel far enough just in
 RW>Texas and Oklahoma!)

No, we're not fighting wars of conquest per se.  Of course, I do
appreciate our friends in Meridies agreeing to be Flanders.... <grin>

Syr Jon

From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: peasants dancing
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:22:58

Hmmnnn --- as a dance teacher in the Society,  I should know whether or not they did the same dances, right?  Well, I'd say that you couldn't go far off if you stuck to either fairly simple bransles (circle dances), some of the tarantellas, or (if you want to do Elizabethan peasant dances...) some of the English Country dances.  

Actually, most of our dances come from VERY late  --- 14th c. basse danses (the precursers to the pavanne, but much more difficult to do) are about the earliest things we have documentation, steps, and music for -- most of our pavannes and bransles come from Arbeau, who wrote them down in the late 1500's, some of them from memories of dances done in his childhood.  Our more elaborate Italian Renaissance dances also come from near 1600, while the first Country Danse books were published in 1651.  And that g


reat old well-beloved classic dance, "The Hole In the Wall", done throughout the Society, was first published in 1720 (early Regency period)!

There are references to earlier dances -- but I don't have any good ones.  The dances done for three days in the celebrations before the tournaments haven't survived, alas ---  we have the music to the estampie, and the words, and the note that it 'was too fast to permit any thoughts of lust while dancing it', but they didn't say HOW to dance it!  Anyone out there with more information? Please share it with us!

Vashti, dance teacher to the Steppes (& most of Ansteorra when i get the chance...),  Ansteorra, Dallas, TX


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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Urban Legend Song
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:33:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr15.003343.13725
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Apr14.205921.15941@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher) writes:
>On the subject of songs, does anyone know the words to either of the two
following songs:

(Text deleted)

No, but I am reminded of the glorious anthem of Westermark, to be sung with 
great strength and pride:


"Oh, Westermark, your forests..."

* * *

Um...don't wait around...that was the whole song.


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From: Gerald_Del_Campo@sorinc.UUCP (Gerald Del Campo)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Magick
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:59:16 GMT
Organization: Shades of Reality BBS - Medford, Oregon

It seems that much magick is mixed in with the Midieval period.  Has anyone
ever adopted the persona of a magician in the SCA?

The Queens of England have had personal astrologers, magicians, diviners,
etc.., and it is for this reason that I inquire.

Thanks.

Gerald

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From: kgregg@cetus4b.cs.utk.edu (Kendall Gregg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: question on heraldry
Keywords: heraldry personal
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:02:29 GMT
Reply-To: kgregg@cetus4b.cs.utk.edu (Kendall Gregg)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cetus4b.cs.utk.edu

Greetings,
This question concerns heraldry (mine).
Over 1 1/2 yrs ago I sent in device/badge/name submission through
my local herald.  I still have heard nothing.  I have even written to
the kingdom herald-person with prepaid postcards and heard nothing.
This is why I don't personally believe the 6 month limit for submissions,
but my question is more along the line of
is what I submitted permissible?
name: Ronayne Blackwell of Oak Hill
device: (I am not a herald so here it is in english) black field,
center is a gold triquetra  and it has three swords pointing outward with the
hilts near the triquetra. The swords are also gold.

badge: a green hand with red nails and a gold triquetra on its palm.

Please respond by email since the rialto posts much faster than I ever have time
to read news.
kgregg@duncan.cs.utk.edu

Thanks,
Kendall Gregg
Ld. Ronayne Blackwell
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: jlevitt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mortiana)
Subject: Re: Magick
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:58:13 GMT

dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark) writes:

>Gerald_Del_Campo@sorinc.UUCP (Gerald Del Campo) writes:

>> It seems that much magick is mixed in with the Midieval period.  Has anyone
>> ever adopted the persona of a magician in the SCA?
>> 
>> The Queens of England have had personal astrologers, magicians, diviners,
>> etc.., and it is for this reason that I inquire.

>  I'm kind of curious about this too.  Every once in a while someone comes 
>along from a Wicca group and wants to be a druid or wizard in the SCA.  I 
>usually tell them what I know about such stuff, which amounts to little.  
>Namely, most of the magic that I have read about (even tales from period) 
>seems to come from really early pre-christian times and 18-19th century times.
>The early stuff mostly in the form of fairy tales, the latter from the neo-
>celtic revival from the 18th century on.  Nothing else.  No documented witches
>or wizards or druids, just accusations of same and tales of long dead ones.
>I have taken the stance that this is because magic and witchcraft (except for
>perhaps herblore) are in the realm of dragons and pixies - pure fantasy - 
>and always have been.

>> Gerald

>Kevi

I beg to differ on this opinion, m'lord. I am a practicing witch (quite new to
the SCA, but a practicing witch nevertheless). Our history states that we are
one of, if not the oldest religions known to have existed. I can give you more
detailed and further information if you wish. Please e-mail me at:
jlevitt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu    
I usually go by the name of Mortiana.
*smilies*
merry meet, merry part, and merry meet once more,
        Mortiana
a.k.a. julie levitt
(has no registered SCA name yet.)
From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Contest Judging Ethics
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:31:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings to all who frequent this place,
may the Lord visit plagues on all tax collectors!

I believe that judges should not judge their
own works.  I see two possible results, either
people will judge their work more harshly, or
more favorably.  Neither result is to be desired.

There is a wonderful story of Rabbi Akiva Ager.
It is said in the Torah "Do not take bribes,
for bribes blinds the eyes of the righteous and
are a stumbling block before the just."

Once, Rabbi Akiva Ager visited a small shtettle.
As was his custom, he did not announce whom he
was, so that no one would make a fuss over him.
That day was the day the taxes were to be collected
in the synagogue, after evening prayers.  The beadle
asked R' Akiva for the tax.  R' Akiva argued that
he did not have to pay, as he was only a temporary
resident.  He cited many proofs, and argued most
persuasively.  When he finished, the beadle replied:
"I would have agreed with you, but I have read
in the commentarries of R' Akiva Ager that it is not
so.  Even a visitor must pay the tax."  Only then
did R' Akiva realize the true meaning of the text:
even if one intends to judge impartially, self-interest
makes it impossible to do.

In Service,
Yaakov
From: jtgordon@rodan.acs.syr.edu (The Silly Wench)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in Atlanta (again?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:34:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY


Greetings...

I posted once before about this, but as our newserver was improperly
functioning, I am in doubt as to whether my post reached most of the
Rialto.

I am currently in the Barony of Delftwood, (Syracuse NY) however in 
another month I will be relocating to Atlanta GA at least for the
summer, possibly for much longer, and I would like to make SCA contact
there. If you are reading this and are in the Atlanta area, please
contact me via email: jtgordon@mailbox.syr.edu

			  thank you very much!
			   
				 Jessa
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Astrology's Status (was Francis Bacon's Talking Head)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.shlt6INNpfk
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <9204151547.AA21410@math.bu.edu> jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes:
>
>Arval writes:
>
>Most real honest astronomers did bogus astrology on the side, mainly
>to make a living.  Two prime examples: Johann Muller (Regiomontanus),
>Tycho Brahe, and Johann Kepler.  Other non-astronomers also cast
>horoscopes: the mathematician Giralomo Cardano comes to mind.  The
>interesting thing was that all three (er, four) cases pretty much knew
>astrology was bogus, but did it anyway because it brought in money.

I think (but I stand ready to be corrected) it was Kepler who defined
astrology as "the foolish little daughter who sells herself in the
street so that her wise mother may live."

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: cutting through a shield
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:53:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.9204151953.AA23533
Organization: The Internet


Here's a question that the various posters on the argument of "A
period polearm can/cannot cut through a period shield" haven't brought
up yet:

Does the fact that SCA shields are made of plywood make a difference?
I'm sure there's an engineering problem here that is just _looking_
for an engineering grad student to analyze and write a TI article
on...

Fujimoto
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: M-word: new ruling from Hilary
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:20:30 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Greetings from Arval!  Tibor wrote:

> Here are the types of insurance we pay for:

>     Insurance: 34,147 (5.6%)
>       General Liability	         21,627 (3.5%)
>       Workmen's Compensation      1,464 (0.2%
>       Liability, Dir. & Officers  1,420 (0.2%)
>       Equestrian                  2,253 (0.4%)
>       Property                      493 (0.1%)
>       Foreign                     2,650 (0.4%)
>       Cert. of Insurance          4,240 (0.7%)

We carry equestrian insurance so that we can get sites to allow us to use
horses; site owners generally require the extra insurance to cover the
extra risk.  I too would be interested in seeing a full explanation of the
purpose of all this insurance.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: MCKAY_MICHAEL@tandem.COM
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Event publishing in the East
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I was trying to keep out of this, but ...

You have made a nice chain of logic, but it all falls down at the because of
the base statement.  "Events SHOULD be published in the Pikestaff".  "Should"
does not mean "have to", it means "recommended".  Thus it appears that East
Kingdom law does not have this requirement.  Practice by reading ANSI specs,
they have two word used to insure clarity on this point: "MUST" and "SHOULD".
If you can show a chain of "MUST", than your argument will be valid.

Sean MacKay  (aka. MCKAY_MICHAEL@tandem.com)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:31:20 -0500

Arval Benicoeur wrote:

 AB> On the other hand, a name is far
 AB> more public & noticable than most of the things we use in the SCA.

I replied:

 >  M'lord, I beg to differ.  All who see you see your
 > garb.  All who see you
 >  fight, see your armor (not to mention your
 > weaponry).  Even your encampment
 >  is seen by all who pass it by in their daily
 > travels at such events.  But
 >  unless you are famous, only those to whom you are
 > introduced, or with whom
 >  you have other interaction such as the Rialto, see your name.

Kwellend-Njal Kollskeggsson (vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James)) adds:

 KNK> It doesn't take much in the way of fame to spread ones name far and
 KNK> wide.  As simple an act as posting to the Rialto, publishing something
 KNK> in TI or a kingdom newsletter or a symposium precedings can easily do it
 KNK> and certainly winning a major tourney can do so.  Compared to those
 KNK> numbers the number of people who see you is probably very small.

 But what proportion of Society members (leaving aside the question of
 Corporation members - I think you know what I mean) actually do any of
 those things?  I would hazard a guess that there is a large proportion
 of people in the SCA who do nothing to make their names well known, but
 who are still at least visible.
From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:39:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ACS.17827900000
Organization: The Internet


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!

>One major fly in the ointment is the Mundane Name Loophole, whereby
> somebody with an undocumentable mundane name can use parts of it in their
> SCA name.

   Personally, I'm quite fond of the Mundane Name Loophole -- I don't
have to keep track of which Landon I am!      :-)
   Seriously, when I first got involved with the SCA I had very
little interest in history at all, much less knowing a period of
history I wanted to 'specialize' in.  (For the curious, my notion
of 'medieval' tended to the King Arthur/Robin Hood/Tolkien type of
thing.  'History' was one of those subjects I swore 'never again'
after surviving high school social studies.  Fortunately, the SCA
was there to teach me better.)  So I used part of my mundane name
with 'of' something-or-other (so as to avoid being 'excessively
obtrusive'  :-).  I know (now) that it's not period for a tenth-
century Norse-Irishman, but after seventeen years it's too much
trouble to change. :-)  (If anyone finds this attitude offensive, I
apologize.)

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Irish Phonology
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:05:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr17.210550.14158
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <james.703490067@wrs.com> james@wrs.com (James Moore) writes:

(among other things)

>Irish names are probably easier than Welsh names for most English
>speakers, simply because Irish has very few sounds that English doesn't.

This is true, but remember, it's not the sounds themselves that are the 
problem, but how to asssociate them with the written forms.  My mother's
mundane maiden patronymic, Foghlaidh, would have pronounced on first
reading by me (and many another, Im sure) as "Fog-laid" if I had not
known from its modern *Anglicized* spelling to say "Foley."  It all goes
back to those "excess" letters that mean one thing in one sound system
and another in another.


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Subject: Subscription Request
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:55:53 GMT
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SUB SCA
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      Dave Higginbotham      //        esdsdf.dnet.ge.com!higginbotham
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Homage in the SCA (was Re: william t. bastard...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:39:25 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Greetings from Arval!  Lord Hossein, in your otherwise excellent discussion
of homage and its role in English-French relations in the Middle Ages, you
wrote: 

> In the SCA we tend to have unitary homage and fealty -- to the Crown...

I believe this is a phenomenon which varies greatly from place to place.
In the East, it is not at all unusual for one to separate one's fealty and
homage.  For example, I am currently in fealty to the Viceroy of Ostgardr
for "my father's estates east of the Hudson River," and to the Crown for my
estate as a peer of the East.  I have done homage to the Crown as a vassal
by virtue of my peerage.  At one point, I was considering fealty to Duke
Vissevald as his personal herald; that hasn't happened yet. 

===========================================================================
Josh Mittleman (mittle@watson.ibm.com)
J2-C28 T.J. Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: Tom.Jeffrey@f2118.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Jeffrey)
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Subject: Darkforest Hall joins in
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:33:53

Darkforest Hall joins in through a feed from Herald's Point.

Lord Ivon of Darkforest sends greetings to all!!

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From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:31:00 GMT


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep (whose mail
has piled up and whose boss is back from his fishing trip!),
greetings!

Arval writes:

>                               I think that most of us expect people to
>improve their outward appearance over their SCA-lifetime, and to look more
>medieval.  Why is one's name different?  I realize that names are closely
>tied to identity, and that it is a bother to change one's SCA name (though
>less than most people would believe).

   I was attempting to compose a response to this (much along the
line of the posting by Bjalfi Thordharson, only less well-written)
when the Fra Tadhg Liath posted the following (in part):

>                                 ... What would you like? Something to
> match "of Wulfkeep"? Hey, not to worry. How about Norse? Geirr Bassi cites
> the given name "Landi", meaning "landsman, countryman"...

   I must admit I'm intrigued.  I have no real desire to change my
name, but this feels more like a mere spelling change -- a small
enough price to avoid trouble with the Authenticity Police! :-) :-)
   So, might beg the indulgance of the heralds for one more moment?
What would I need in the way of documentation (Geirr Bassi doesn't
seem to be in my local library) to submit a name change to, say,
"Landi <period equivalent of Harry's son -- Harisson?> of Wulfkeep"?
My thanks for your suggestion, milord Tadhg, and your help, all.

For the moment, at least--

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA

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