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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re:  The Under $10K Unix Workstation!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.195658.9992@ux.acs.umn.edu> har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:

>>I thought Solaris was supposed to cost $795 for the basic version
>>(that may be with a limited user license, though - I'm not sure)?  The
>>neat thing about Solaris 2.0 is that it comes with all the C libraries
>>and header files, so you can go out and grab a GCC binary and have a
>>compiler for free without having to buy the devlopment kit just to get
>>the libraries.
>
>See? "Buy the development kit." When you buy amiga unix, at least you
>get the whole damn thing - gcc, g++, header files, libraries, even the
>damn kernel object modules - ALL of it. No screwing around with developer's
>packages, etc. etc.
>
>Why should you have to grab a binary? I've only ever *considered* buying
>one computer that didn't come with a C compiler - and I made sure I ordered
>the C compiler when I ordered the computer.

I was just talking about Solaris.  There are plenty of SVR4/386
systems to choose from that have the compiler included.  I don't think
the SPARC version of Solaris 2.0 bundles the dev. kit either, so I
don't consider it a PC vs. Amiga thing - more of a Sunsoft vs.
whomever else thing.

Besides, in my experience, a lot of people use the development kit
just long enough to get GCC and other superior GNU utils running, so
the value of it is minimal in many cases.  GCC is useless without
libraries and header files, which Solaris 2.0 includes (supposedly),
so one major reason for including the compiler is eliminated.  If you
want to do really heavy commercial development, you often have to buy
a third-party dev.  system anyway (I think Saber C is one), which can
cost thousands.

If Solaris 2.0 turns out to be anywhere near as good as the hype says,
then it'll be a bargain for $795+the trouble to download GCC, GNU
Make, etc.


Paul


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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: beer and the amiga
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:19:20 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Sun 12 Apr 92 18:15, W8ts@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (m Crev
wrote:

 WC> I tend to agree with my friend there, american beer SUCKS!!  I'm
 WC> partial
 WC> to Moosehead Premium Dry, which I understand is available in the
 WC> state...try it, and see waht *REAL* beer is  :^)

  Well, I like Guiness.. Harp... Chimay Ale.. and various other things.
AFter having tried imported beer after for a year or so of drinking Bud
Dry.. I like imported beer.. and American beer and pretty gross.

  Oh.. just to stay on topic.. I am typing this message about beer on my
Amiga.. that should pass the "on-topic" thing.


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From: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: beer and the amiga
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:25:22 EST
Reply-To: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


-> Okay, now that I have your attention, I would like to know what brands of
-> beer are the favorites among comp.sys.amiga.advocacy readers.  Over the
-> last year or so I have noticed several posters remarking that they were
-> drunk or were in the process of getting drunk.  Some talked about beer,
-> others did not mention the beverage.  I seem to recall Dave Haynie stating
-> his love of beer, and I would like to buy him a case or two in thanks for
-> the awesome A3000 (and hopefully even better Amigas in the future).
-> 
-> This may seem like an odd topic, but it is about as relevant to the Amiga
-> as some of the other stuff discussed here.  Personally, I would rather
-> have a pint of bitter from a British pub than any other beer, but in this
-> hick state I would be lucky to find anything remotely British.  As a
-> student I tend to buy beer based on price, so I rarely drink any of the
-> imports.  My favorite American beer is Coors Light, followed by Miller
-> Genuine Draft Light, Bud Light, and Miller Light.

Well here's the view of a typical Canadian Beer Drinker.
 
Q:  Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?

A: Because its F&%#@ng close to water...
 
Labatt's Blue, Molsen special Dry, and Beck's (german) beer are my personal
Favorites.


    
 

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
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Subject: Re:  Considering switching to IBM
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:00:02 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Apr6.152427.3752@Armstrong.EDU> prall968@Armstrong.EDU writes:
>>Also, I typically transfer files while doing a hell of a lot more 
>>than just mouse around in the GUI with no problems at all.  Let me
>>describe what I was doing just yesterday, for example.  Just for
>>reference, I have an Amiga 3000, which is a 25Mhz 030/882 box.
>>
>>I was simultaneously downloading files at 9600bps V42bis speeds
>>(pulling a good 1100 cps with compressed files), converting JPEG
>>images around in 24 bits, backing up one of my hard drive partitions
>>to tape, and freeing up some space on another of my hard drive
>>partitions.  This is a normal session for me.  (Yes, I do make
>>backups approximately weekly.)
>I have in the past been dowloading long distance in Dallas and uploading
>locally here in Savannah, two different terms, plus running battlechess
>playing itself. All on my 'puny' little A1000 (Hurricane 33Mhz 020/881)
>>
>>Now try to run two terminals under Windows (or DesqView for that
>>matter).  
>>DOUBLE WHOOPS!  (For the unitiated, I've never seen two terminals
>>run under Windows or DesqView (yes, through different serial ports)
>>for longer than about 5 minutes before a crash.)
>>
>>OS/2 can handle these situations _relatively_ painlessly, but not
>>quite as smoothly as AmigaDOS.
>>
>There is a local sysop here in Savannah That runs a 33Mhz 486 based BBS
>He operates 2 ports with Desqview. Although I have never been on his BBS
>while both ports are active. I do know that 3 other 386/486 based BBS's 
>that have tried going multi-port have always had port hanging and crashes.
>No reports from Mr.Desqview.. Maybe he is hiding the truth??

With properly written BBS software, OS/2 2.0 should handle multiple users
just fine.  Even OS/2 1.0 could have done the job.

My main newsfeed used to use a 386/25 ( now a 486/33) running ESIX with
waffle BBS software, and a combination of shell users and BBS users, all
simultaneously while running X11 at the console.  He has five lines with
modems plus the console and a terminal.  He said there was a minmal amount
of swapping with 8 megs.

With his current 486/33, he could easily handle another five lines. I have
a BBS login there, and I have never seen it bog down, even when he had the
386 motherboard.

I have used MS Windows on 386/33 machines, and I thought it was fairly
grungy.  Desqview seems to be fairly good.

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Apple problems "Home computer"
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:30:36 GMT

mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>Seriously though, suppose tomorrow C= were to announce the Amiga Plus line, say
>030/040 based, varying configuration. Say they came with (hypothetical) AA 
>32bit chipset giving 4 channel 16bit voice, 8bit hires and 24bit super HAM
>graphics. Now, imagine how many 'old' Amigas they'd sell in the interim...
>It was enough to sink Osbourne, it'd hurt C= badly.

Hmm, this reminds me of the HAM-E deal.  Apparently, Black Belt Systems has
some sort of agreement with Commodore.  They completely stopped selling their
units because of the deal.  I would think that this would hurt Black Belt
Systems; I guess Commodore has more money than I thought.

Anyway, if Commodore were to announce new systems, we usenet readers are the
only ones who would know of it.  We are the ones who hesitate to buy new
Amigas now, since there may be better systems released in the near future.
We are also the ones who are likely to buy 486's (okay, so I'm talking about
me now) until Commodore gets their act together.

Maybe this A600 thing will give them some extra cash for real computers.  It
is still hard to imagine many people buying a 68000 based home-computer in
this day and age.

-- Gerald
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:38:54 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: Your brother is wrong.  The 486 is a complete redesign in which most
: instructions have been sped up (require fewer clock cycles than on the
: 386).  It also incorporates a cache and floating-point unit.  There
: are also some extra capabilities in the MMU; the upcoming release of
: NeXTStep will require a 486.

At LEAST a 486.  ;)

: No, no no.  Intel and Motorola have been leapfrogging each other from the
: beginning.  Motorola had the first 32-bit internal architecture, but Intel
: had the first on-board MMU.  Nowadays the chip capabilities are basically
: identical (32-bit, on-board FPU, on-board MMU), although the instruction
: sets are understandably radically different.

EEK!!!!  No.  Intel went 8k cache, on-board MMU.  Then Motorola took
it a step further, and said 4k Data, 4k Instruction, MMU for each.
DUAL MMU's.  I wonder what's next...  The 586, 8k instruction, 8k
cache, dual MMU, and superpipelined FPU, with some strange, heavy-duty
branch prediction...  ;)

: Oh, and you expect them to come up with a new CPU every month?  How long do

No, just another incarnation of the 486.  We're up to 4.86 million
types of 486's now, aren't we?  ;)

: you think it takes to develop a 1-million+ transistor CPU?  Ask your brother.
: And BTW, Intel does not "laze" for a couple of years.  They develop new CPU
: versions all the time.  Witness the recent releases of speed upgrades, SX's

Something to remember is that the 486 isn't the only chip Intel makes...

: (I know, I know), clock-doubled chips, i860XP, etc.  And I'm sure they've
: been working on the 586 for a long time now.

I'm sure they'll be working on that for a while to come, too...  I
think we're going to see a lag in new chips until new technologies and
archs trickle down to mainstream processors.

: Take a look at the last two issues of Open Systems Today (nee UNIX Today).
: Some headlines:
: 
: 	"NT Is Itching For a Shootout: New Windows May Not Be Unix Killer,
: 	 But It Looks Formidable"
: 
: 	"Flood of NT Apps Is Forecast"
: 
: The thing that bothers me is that OS/2 2.0 gives you most of NT's promised
: advantages *today*, but no-one seems to care.

Amazing how you can have everything that's needed, and you're still
looked at as being nonexistant, isn't it?  ;)

: Ditto.

Which HLL's?  C?  C+?  C++?  C+++?  (I can feel it, it's going to
become an HLL war.)

Greg
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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: beer and the amiga
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:20:17 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu 16 Apr 92 20:54, Daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (dave Ha
wrote:

 DH> A few from the list of good US beers: Philly's own Dock Street,
 DH> Samuel Adams 
 DH> (any variety), Pete's Wicked Ale (they also make a good Lager and
 DH> Porter), 
 DH> Anchor Steam, Sierra Nevada, Blackened Voodoo, just to name a few.  

  I know.. I come from New Orleans where they make Blackend VooDoo. It's
not that bad.

 DH> exception, but aside from that, it's hard to tell a Canadian lager
 DH> from a 
 DH> Canadian ale if you don't read the label.

 DH> Not that I'd turn any of these down at the moment....

  On the other hand.. I might turn down something like.. oh Coors Light.
BLECK!

  Where's the Chimay?


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From: har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--)
Subject: Re: Juicy tidbits
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.222909.13250@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>>Funny.  GIFs pop up pretty quickly for me.  In 32,768 colors, too.
>>That's cool, considering GIF is an 8bit format. Do you have some
>>special anti-aliasing chip on your SVGA card to get that
>>many colors?
>No, Ian, but I can display two different 256-color GIFs in two different
>windows without any color loss.

Well, geez, that's so fucking productive I can't even believe it. Sheesh.

The way I see it, 32k colors is what, 15 bits? What the *hell* are you
doing wasting enough cpu time to draw 15 bits, so you can show two gif's
at once.

256color I can believe; after all, I can easily use maybe 10 apps at once,
and maybe they need 16 colors each, and well I suppose a windowing system
might eat 30 colors for neat window borders.

Beyond that, there is *absolutely* no point to this.

Except for video work, or toy value. I grant - my 24-bit display is clearly
there for toy value. I don't even have a VCR. But the point is, I'm not
claiming that my machine is infinitely more useful and productive than yours.
It probably is, but it would be just as productive with only 16 colors at
a time, and probably almost as productive with a simple 4-level grayscale
monitor. Productivity does not come from 32k of colors, and I see such toys
as a complete waste of computing power. Either admit it's a toy, or use
something which doesn't waste so much power.

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*please* trim that down. I know my .sig is a bit long, but really...

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From: dak@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Pierre Baillargeon (Hiv91))
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:54:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.221833.19914@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
[V8086 talks deleted]
>
>At least there is progress being made.  The previous extended memory
>access interface (VCPI) was used for a long time.  It was eventually
>deemed unacceptable because it compromises system integrity by allowing
>apps to wreak havoc with the hardware.  On the other hand, AmigaDOS does
>*nothing* to maintain system integrity; it totally ignores the problem.
>I wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen an Amiga user scream,
>"I *hate* these games that take over the machine!".
>

  FYI, AmigaDOS HAS a lot a fonctions to control how apps control the hardware.
Be it the timer (can either use timer.device or allocate timer ressource bits).
Or for the blitter (call graphics library, QSBlit to queue blitter uses, OwnBlitter to get full access), or disk by using Lock (on file) Inhibit (on trackdisk device) or ressource bit (access hardware directly).  Everything is managed, and
you can use the access level you wish.  What do games that take control of the
machine and accessing memory over 1Meg have in common anyway ???

>By the way, it has taken the OS-less *DOS* world over 10 years to
>standardize on extended memory access, not the PC world.  There are plenty
>of people running OS/2, UNIX and other OS's on their PC's.
>
>>Greg
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.235529.17723@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>	You want me to spend $200 more on a system that has 4 times less ram,
>>  4 times less HD space, slower CPU, and no 8 bit graphics.  Plus has a lot less
>>  software available for it. 
>>
>
>Curious.  Who wants you to buy an Amiga?  The Amiga, like anything else, is
>for people who can afford it.
>
>-- Gerald

	Well, if you had read the whole post, I was responding to a person
 who said that the A3000 was less expensive then a 486 system.  I was simply
 showing that thats not the case, at least around here ( in NH ).

							G.Greene
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:31:07 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

It was MACINTOSH users using MACINTOSH ram-loaded MACINTOSHES and in one
case a 32 MB Sun-4 file servers outputting Postscript files to LASERWRITERS
with max'ed out memory who were complaining about ~rPostscript -- they were
not and are not Amiga users!  One was a graphics artist, one a software
developer,and one a high cost per hour Macintosh consultant whose software
engineering background was at least a B.S from MIT specializing in
software.  The software developer has an MS in software engineering from BU
and has had to write Postscript drivers. The graphics artist is the Mac
help desk for the publishing company she works for......   The consulant
has gone very deep into Postscript writing software for his clients -- I
don't take the complaints of such people about Postscript lightly.  Just
because something is a de facto standard doesn't mean it has problems! The
graphics artist told me that until recently, in fact, the color imaging
model used in Postscript was WRONG! Something about the angles that the
dots were placed at that were yellow was wrong -- no, -I- am not someone
who especially understands what that's supposed to mean, but -she- {has
been involved such stuff for at least 15 years involved in printing and
publishing and color output, so I don't see what she -wouldn't know what
she was talking about! 


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Subject: Re:  Considering switching to IBM
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:13:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr9.121306.54338
Organization: Utah State University

[...]
>>There is a local sysop here in Savannah That runs a 33Mhz 486 based BBS
>>He operates 2 ports with Desqview. Although I have never been on his BBS
>>while both ports are active. I do know that 3 other 386/486 based BBS's 
>>that have tried going multi-port have always had port hanging and crashes.
>>No reports from Mr.Desqview.. Maybe he is hiding the truth??
> 
> With properly written BBS software, OS/2 2.0 should handle multiple users
> just fine.  Even OS/2 1.0 could have done the job.
[...]

The only way I've seen PC's handle two ports at the same time was when they had
serial chips with internal FIFO's.
Then it works pretty well... unless your using Windows 3.0 on the system.
It seems to have problems at times.

This is only on the systems *I've* seen though.

James
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple problems "Home computer"
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:33:32 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>Seriously tho, suppose tomorrow C= were to announce the Amiga Plus line, say
>030/040 based, varying configuration. Say they came with (hypothetical) AA 
>32bit chipset giving 4 channel 16bit voice, 8bit hires and 24bit super HAM
>graphics. Now, imagine how many 'old' Amigas they'd sell in the interim...

Ooooo, I'm sorry, I apologize in advance, I beg forgiveness... but I cannot
resist the obvious response:

WHAT CONSUMER WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS NEW COMPUTER, ANYWAY?

I mean, besides those of us who _already own_ Amigas and stay informed?
Surely you don't suggest that <gasp> Commodore might ALSO advertise?

:-) :-)  kevin
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Juicy tidbits
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:26:43 GMT

leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>
>What sort of fool displays 8 bit GIFs in 32,000 colors?
>
>I mean, what is the point?
>

Suppose you don't want the colors of your GIF to interfere with those of
your GUI?  Maybe you do color DTP or image processing and you need to display
more than one GIF at a time?

What sort of fool constantly questions progress?
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