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From: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul23.140057.21213@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
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|>From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
|>Subject: Re: Edit Track II
|>Message-ID: <1992Jul23.140057.21213@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
|>Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
|>Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
|>References: <1992Jul21.215238.19407@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <1992Jul22.124652.6048@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Jul22.151139.12831@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
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|>In article <1992Jul22.151139.12831@ryn.mro4.dec.com> greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene) writes:
|>>
|>>EDITTRAK was put on CompuServe back in Jan 92. The file (with doc's)
|>>was ET2.ZIP. 
|>
|>Michael etc...
|>
|>When I looked in Compuserve I was looking in library 13 obviously there
|>is another place to look for train programs??  What library is ET2.ZIP in??
|>
|>
|>** Regarding another program, I have a question for the group.  I just got
|>some literature about a program named TRAINMASTER by Corporate Stategies.
|>
|>Does anyone have any experience with this program i.e. is it worth buying??
|>
|>
|>Thanks
|>stewart de journett
|>Texas Instruments
|>
|>
It's in TrainNet.

I will attempt to get it posted to one of the archives, but won't get to it 
until tomorrow.
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Small layout ideas
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:24:19 GMT

OK... I'm still toying with N, and even beginning to realise that you can do HO
in limited space if you're crafty. I am telling myself I won't sink any REAL 
money into this for a while, but just in case, can someone point me to some
references on doing very small layouts? As in 2-4' x 3-5', or thereabouts? I
picked up the current MR, I think, that had an article on a layout called the
"Petite Pines," that was an HO layout in 4' x 5'. And a rather nice one, at
that! These references could be for generic, HO, or N scale. Preferably N, of
course (since that's what I am ultimately after).

Randy
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From: debra@wsinis07.info.win.tue.nl (Paul De Bra)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: what N-scale track to use
Summary: which brand gives best performance?
Keywords: track, crossings, switches, which brand
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:55:44 GMT
Reply-To: debra@info.win.tue.nl
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

I just moved to a new house and would like to pick up my old hobby.
In my previous life i had some experience building a layout for Elektor
magazine, using Fleischman track, and another (my own) layout using Roco track.
I still have an unfinished layout with Roco track, but Roco seems
to have a problem with crossings. The unsulated (i.e. plastic) parts
at crossings are fairly large, causing interruptions in the current-flow
to the locomotives. (i have Fleischman and Roco locomotives and both
have that problem) I don't recall having that problem with the Fleischman
track, but i didn't like like the way the Fleischman tracks looked.

I would like to hear comments on the different brands before starting
on a new layout. What are your experiences with (European) makes?
Think of problems like dust, interruptions at switches and crossings,
derailments, etc.
I'm thinking of Arnold, Fleischman, Minitrix, Atlas/Rivarossi, Roco, and
maybe others which i forgot.

As i'm planning on creating a fully automated setup the reliability is
very important.

Thanks for any info.

Paul.
(debra@win.tue.nl)
From: joee@cabezon.uucp (Joe Eckardt)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: What is Edit Track II?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:20:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Jul29.172055.18167
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

Would someone be willing to either post a copy to this newsgroup or
email me a copy?  I am unfortunately one of those that do not have
ftp access (anonymous or otherwise) although we're working on it.

		Thanks,

		Joe Eckardt
		Logic Modeling Corporation 
		(formally Logic Automation Incorporated)

            Please use one of these return addresses instead of 
            the one on the return address line:

		joee@lmc.com   		,or
		...!uunet!lmc.com!joee
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		Joe Eckardt
		Logic Modeling Corporation 
		(formally Logic Automation Incorporated)
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From: steven@luna.rivm.nl (Steven van Uitert)
Subject: Re: what N-scale track to use
Keywords: track, crossings, switches, which brand
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Distribution: eunet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:24:56 GMT

In article <3736@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> debra@info.win.tue.nl writes:
>I would like to hear comments on the different brands before starting
>on a new layout. What are your experiences with (European) makes?
>Think of problems like dust, interruptions at switches and crossings,
>derailments, etc.

The best European make is PECO from England. You can have it in code 70
and 55 (2.1 mm and 1.4 mm approx.) Code 55 is suitable for all European
rolling stock. The switches are available with metal frogs, so there is
no electrical problem. The (PECO) switchmotors can be applied under the
baseboard.
A minor problem may be the availability in the Netherlands. Only a few
shops have it on stock.
PECO rails can be joined to ROCO and Minitrix.

Steven van Uitert
From: labdg@emory.edu (Diego)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Wuarchive GIFS
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:01:51 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hi!
	Does anybody know where the JPG files in the /pictures/trains
	directory of chi.wustl.edu were taken from?!

	I would like to find, if possible, the original scans in a
	NON lossy compressed (i.e.: NON eg) format.  Also, of course,
	I'm curious as to what other train/railroad picture sites might
	exist on the internet.  I already know about JDB.PSU.EDU, and
	as I've mentioned the new one at wuarchive.wustl.edu... but any
	others anybody knows about would be much appreciated.

	P.S.:  The scans at wuarchive are great b/c they are posted by
	engine type for the most part, so it's easy to call up a file
	by name if one is interested in a prototype which the file    
	library might have.  On the other hand, the 640x480x256 grey 
	scale scans are of uneven quality and too low resolution for 
	serious research... with the lack of color or more scales of
	grey being the most serious problem, IMHO.

	-Thanks!  Diego Gallina (labdg@unix.cc.emory.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: fwk@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (f.w.kerfoot..iii)
Subject: Re: RE: Live Steam in New England
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:22:59 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.103016.1@dion.trl.oz.au>, by backway@dion.trl.oz.au:
> In article Mike Boucher writes:
> In response to Dave Pierson
> 
>> FYI: the guages in question are
>> 3/4" scale  = 3 1/2" guage
>> 1" scale    = 4 3/4" guage
>                 ^^^^^^
>> 1 1/2 scale = 7 1/4" guage
> 
>      Interesting, in the UK and Australia 5" gauge is used. I must point out
> though that scale and gauge should not be related. I am currently working on
> the civil engineering for our 5" gauge track around our house but will run:
> 
>      1" scale which at 5' full size falls nicely between our "standard"
>  (4'8 1/2") and "broad" (5'3") gauges.
>      1 1/2" scale which at 3' 4" is close enough to the 3' 6" of Qeensland &
> South Australian railways.
>      2" scale which at 2' 6" is the exact gauge for my favourite, our
> Victorian Narrow gauge railways. Imagine crossing a 6' (30') high, 30' (180')
> long trestle, I can't wait.
> 
>    All the minature railways in this country I've seen share this mixture of
> scales on the one gauge. I feel it's this flexibility that makes club layouts
> possible and may explain the increasing interest in this country.  
>  
The same mix of scales and gauges (using the above mentioned common US
gauges) is common in the US as well. There are a wide variety of narrow
gauge locomotives done in the appropriate scale to run on one of these
common live steam gauges. However, enough locomotive models of standard
gauge (56 1/2") prototypes are still constructed that it is common
practice to correlate the gauge with a default scale for a standard
gauge prototype.

Frank Kerfoot
fwk@homxc.att.com


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From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: Newest RR Sound Posted
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:14:53 CDT

 How about putting the files in .snd or .au format also? Or
can you recommend a convertor from voc (ibm) to .snd (macintosh)?

 I can convert sun (.au) to mac (.snd) so if anything, I'd guess
the sun format would be the most popular. All the voc to sun
conversion programs I've seen using archie, require an IBM type
of PC. Maybe some kind soul could do this for us?


Thanks.

Randy Lambertus            Cray Research, Inc.           rl@uk.cray.com
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Live Steam Ties question
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:46:03 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Jul30.203004.15827@lmt.mn.org> ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) writes:
>
>I was looking forward to using
>creasote-treated lumber for ties, trestles, and grade-
>crossings.
>
>  Why use creasote-treated lumber?  Well, I just like
>the smell, I figure it will look just right, and it
>should hold up for ever.
>
>  Anyway, has anyone used creasote-treated lumber for
>this purpose?  What kind of results did you get?

I've used creosote for the ties on my model railroad. My
reason for using was simply that it is 'the real thing' and
the ties would have a realistic color. I too, liked the
realistic smell, but it does stink up the house; using it
outdoors should be no problem in this regard. I stopped
using the creosote and started using fabric dyes (like Rit)
after one of my track-building helpers complained several
times that the creosote irritated his skin.

It is difficult to get the ties to look as dark as real
railroad ties, because the wood doesn't really absorb creosote;
real ties are creosoted under high pressure to force the 
creosote in the wood grain..

Michael Stimac

-- 
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(408) 922-7539
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: RE: Live Steam in New England
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:05:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

in post: <1992Ju23.12543.22402@ryn.mro4.dec.com           
Dave Pierson writes:

>    There is a "smaller" oval of dual gauge track, same gauge as Waushakum,
>    this loop approx 75% the size of Waushakum.  There is a larger loop
>    of 8" (?) gauge track, with reversing loop,completely enclosing the
>    smaller loop.  A brick roundhouse, with triple gauge turntable, a couple
>    of pneumatic lifts.  I should guess the outer oval is a half mile or
>    so.

FYI: the guages in question are
3/4" scale  = 3 1/2" guage
1" scale    = 4 3/4" guage
1 1/2 scale = 7 1/4" guage

The third is important.  In the northeast and England, it is 7 1/4.  Elsewhere
it is 7 1/2.  There are precious few tracks that can handle both!  Some people
in the 7 1/2 camp scale their engines to 1.6" scale, so the guage is closer to
scale, but this is another discussion/flamewar.

If you don't know about Waushakum, we've got 1000' of mainline, with plenty of
siding.  I believe Pioneer Valley has 600' or so on the highline, and 1500' -
2000' on the ground.  The two smaller guages are on elevated track, about 30"
off the ground, and you ride side-saddle on a flatcar.  The larger guage is on
the ground.

BTW: Waushakum Live Steamers annual meet is August 28-30th this year.  Contact
me for more information, as I am the secretary.
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
From: scott@mycro.UUCP (Scott C. Sadow)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:55:10 GMT

What is "Edit-Track"?  (I presume it is a program to edit track layouts)
What systems does it run on, what can it do, did Model Railroader review it?


   Scott C. Sadow
   scott@mycro.UUCP
   ...gatech!nanovx!mycro!scott
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: backway@dion.trl.oz.au
Subject: RE: Live Steam in New England
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:30:16 GMT

In article Mike Boucher writes:
In response to Dave Pierson

> FYI: the guages in question are
> 3/4" scale  = 3 1/2" guage
> 1" scale    = 4 3/4" guage
                ^^^^^^
> 1 1/2 scale = 7 1/4" guage

     Interesting, in the UK and Australia 5" gauge is used. I must point out
though that scale and gauge should not be related. I am currently working on
the civil engineering for our 5" gauge track around our house but will run:

     1" scale which at 5' full size falls nicely between our "standard"
 (4'8 1/2") and "broad" (5'3") gauges.
     1 1/2" scale which at 3' 4" is close enough to the 3' 6" of Qeensland &
South Australian railways.
     2" scale which at 2' 6" is the exact gauge for my favourite, our
Victorian Narrow gauge railways. Imagine crossing a 6' (30') high, 30' (180')
long trestle, I can't wait.

   All the minature railways in this country I've seen share this mixture of
scales on the one gauge. I feel it's this flexibility that makes club layouts
possible and may explain the increasing interest in this country.  
 
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From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: new MRC controller 20 powerpack
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:04:10

    
            Well, an idiot light for mine, then.  The switch may say ON, but if the
            light is out, I can tell real quick that there is something wrong, and
            a guess as to what.  I may be biased from too many harried/hurried
            temporary setups, fighting a time line, tyring to get a modular
            layout up.  I guess, for permanent installation, the lite may be less
            needed.
    
i was not clear, unfortunately. the idiot light is for the momentum, not the
power. it would be *much* more useful if it was for power (if nothing else,
if would let you know you had the throttle connected correctly. you will be
displeased, as i was, to find that the idiot light on the power supply
itself is not on sloid when the power is on, it gains intensity when the
throttle is turned up. if the rails are shorted, it apparently flashes at
you, and if the AC leads are shorted, stays off (the LED, that is). since
this is on the power supply, and not the throttle, it makes out of sight
mounting less than optimal.

actually, it is called a control master 20. i am still happy i got it. i
hear it lists for 175$, which seems a bit *steep* to me. i paid 100$ for it,
which seemed reasonable when compared to their other controllers.


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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Live Steam Ties question
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:30:04 GMT

  I just read in talk.equestrian that creasote has been made
illegal.  Is this true?  I was looking forward to using
creasote-treated lumber for ties, trestles, and grade-
crossings.  Since it's used alot in pole barns, I thought
that it would be fairly available.

  Why use creasote-treated lumber?  Well, I just like
the smell, I figure it will look just right, and it
should hold up for ever.

  Anyway, has anyone used creasote-treated lumber for
this purpose?  What kind of results did you get?

  I'm working on the right-of-way for a 7&1/2" gauge
track around and through my woods.  No engine or cars,
yet, but I'm saving my pennies ...

  Thanks in advance, Ciaran.


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From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II available via FTP
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:11:29


i dont find this program intuitive to use. i couldnt find anything that
looked like a tutorial to use it either. am i missing something fundamental
here? 




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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II available via FTP
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:24:30 GMT

In article <920729091129@d-cell.ftp.com> stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles) writes:
>
>i dont find this program intuitive to use. i couldnt find anything that
>looked like a tutorial to use it either. am i missing something fundamental
>here? 

Yea I agree with you I even tried to read the instructions.  You probably
need a guru to take you through it.  I was able to print the sample layout
to an HP laser and it looked nice.  I guess the anticipation was better than
the reality.
From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Garden Railroad
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:42:20 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

My first post seems to have gone awry so I'll try again.

I'm building a G scale railroad in my backyard.  I'm hand laying code 332 
aluminum rail on redwood ties.  The spikes are 1/2" long so they penetrate      through the ties.  A portion of the ROW is along the tops of full size railroad
ties that I used as garden boarder.  Along this portion I used 1x1 redwood
running the length of the ROW spaced 1" apart.  The ties are then glued to the
1x1's.

My question is this.  When running the ROW on the ground, should I continue to
use the 1x1's as a sub-base for the ties or should I just let the ties rest on
the balast?

The articles I've read on laying track have all used LGB ready made track.  I   haven't found any articles on people hand laying their track.

Thanks for your help.


-- 
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From: stephen@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Stephen Tolhurst <stephen> )
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Organization: Design Computing Unit, The University of Sydney
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:46:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.124652.6048@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
|> 
|> I know there is someone in Australia who wants it is there some node on the
|> internet we can put train programs on.  I have several I would be willing
|> to donate??  Also when I got the Compuserve list it did NOT have EDITTRAK
|> listed is that a new download??
|> 
|> Thanks
|> Stewart De Journett
|> Texas Instruments
|> 
I'm prepared to set up a train programs area in our public ftp area but I
would prefer not to have to handle the whole world from this corner of it.
If someone sets up an archive in the US I will mirror it.
-- 
Stephen Tolhurst (Computer System Manager) (02) 692-3549 Fax: (02) 692-3031
Dept of Architectural Science     ACSnet: stephen@archsci.su.oz
Wilkinson Building G04            ARPA:    stephen%archsci.su.oz@uunet.uu.net
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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II available via FTP
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:47:54 GMT

In article <92210.100228JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu> <JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>(Michael Greene) writes:
>>>I have a copy of EDITTRAK V2 -- are folks still having trouble
>
>Thanks to Michael, there is now a copy of ET2.ZIP on JDB.PSU.EDU
>John Balogh, Penn State Model Railroad Club, Electrical Crew, JDB@ECL.PSU.EDU

Thanks for putting it out on your machine.  Do you wish to be the repository
of other programs as well???  If so I have a few that people may be 
interested in.

Again Thanks John and Michael

stewart de Journett
Texas Instruments

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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.215238.19407@ryn.mro4.dec.com> greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene) writes:
>
>I have a copy of EDITTRAK V2 -- are folks still having trouble
>getting it? I just got if off CompuServe TRAINNET last night...
>
>Michael

I know there is someone in Australia who wants it is there some node on the
internet we can put train programs on.  I have several I would be willing
to donate??  Also when I got the Compuserve list it did NOT have EDITTRAK
listed is that a new download??

Thanks
Stewart De Journett
Texas Instruments
From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Garden Railroad
Keywords: railroad tracks
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:10:05 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

I am currently building a G scale railroad in my backyard and I would like any  experience that anyone may have with hand laid track.

A portion of the ROW runs along the top of railroad ties that I used as garden  borders.  The track along this portion consists of two 1x1's spaced about 1"    apart.  The ties are then glued to the 1x1's with waterproof glue.  The spikes Iuse are 1/2" long so they go through the ties and into the 1x1's.  I also have  several feet of trestle and a bridge.  

I am almost ready to lay track at ground level.  Most of the articles I have    read about garden railroads the author has used ready made track.  LGB's track  seems to be the most popular.  However, as I said earlier, I am hand laying my  track.  
 
My question is should I continue using the 1x1's as a sub-base or should I just spike the rail to the ties and then let them rest on the balast?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Loren Cantrell                            cantrell@clipper.ingr.com


                                 



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