From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Some Thoughts On Culture (was  Re: Re: RENAME ?!!)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:33:00 GMT
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From:         Sergei Borodin <sergei@UPENN5.HEP.UPENN.EDU>

>  So, why don't you go ahead and show us, individuals with "soc" and
>  "soviet" backgrounds only, some examples of "culture". A to pizdet'
                                                               ^^^^^^^
>  to vse gorazdy.

I have just shown one, Serez'a.  Thank you - I did not have to go and for
examples.

>>>don't we have other topics to think about?
>>A lot.  Any suggestions?
>
> ??? Sounds like you *just* don't know what to start with.

There are indeed some topics, which I am personally interested in.
          * Historical analogies between organization of Russian (before
revolution) and Soviet systems: similarities and differences.  Logical Inheri-
tance or just parallels in social development?
          * Efremov's "Chas Byka" ("The Hour of the Bull") and works of Stru-
gatskie (particularly, "Volny Gasyat Veter", "Z'uk v muraveinike","Gadkie Le-
bedi", "Trudno byt' bogom", "Paren' iz preispodnei" and others). Possibilities
of Progressor activities in the break of 20th/21st centuries.
          * Development of software and users activities in x-USSR.  Particular-
ly appearance of hacker's ideology as one of the main "commendments" of average
Sovok-user.  Just out of curiousity - what happened to DVKs, Agats and Microsha?
          * History of different Rus'-states (Slavia, Kyavia, etc.) - these
topics are not "compatible" with the RusHist forum due to their time frame - and
could be very useful to find, hopefully, at least some roots of "Sovok's" menta-
lity even in old traditions and act of our ancestors.
          * What happened to all these "progressive" rock-groups of the 80's -
"Akvarium", "Mashina Vremeni", "Kino" (well, I know at least about this one -
Tsoy died not very long ago in a catastrophe), and others?  I shall be more
than glad to talk about their works - both music and poetry.
          * Andreev's "Roza Mira" (The Rose of the World") and works of Sergei
Bulgakov and other Rusian/Soviet philosophers.

I can go on more and more - if you or anybody else are interested - let's do it.
But without "tykania" and "cursing", attacks on personal preferences and tastes,
without ...  Well, just like normal polite people, who respect each other.

> Show us
> your comprehension of the evolution of soviet democracy and explain
> to us why the increasing amount of women in Russian parlament helps
> the latter to make wise decisions aimed to further increase of the
> level of democracy.

Sorry, but I am not interested in discussing neither concepts of any modern
"democracy" (as one does not exist), nor "The Role of Women in...".  Though,
it will be very interesting to find out the main reasons (and therefore possible
future actions) of middle- and high-level ex-commies in their transfer to the
so-called democratical parties.
     And what is the real Communist Party of USSR
(which started its existance in underground, has enormous exprience of
underground activities and organizationally capable of creating and providing
in life important political, both violant and non-violant, actions) is doing
right now?  And why Komitet has disappeared from the scene, becoming "a
guardian-angel", sacrificing certain documents and positions - what more im-
portant do they have there?  And why among x-Soviets, who are "supposed" to be
"tsvet intelligentsii" (the blossom of intelligentsia) we have signs of heavy
"z'lobstva"?  Why do tens of millions of people did not learn the lesson that
economy fails not because of it's name (free-market or centrally planned) but
because of idiots who do not understand neither one nor another concept?  And
why our modern economists like Gaidar, Popov or Chernyak suddenly became poli-
ticians, forgeting the honor of economist to tell the truth about real situation
in the system and not to say according the "re-election"?  Finally, what IS
REAL Centralized Planned Economy (for now I have got a chance to hear only
empty pasions and opinions of libertarians)?

Once again, I did not raise these questions in the nets before, because of my
desbelief (due to the previous one-year experience) that there is a lot of
people who are *seriously* interested in such topics and capable of having
serious academic discussion (without personalizations and "mat").  I shall be
more than happy to find out that I am wrong.

Cheers,
Timur

P.S.  Happy Holidays to all of networkers!
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