HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Health
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:52:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov19.221616.24113@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>In article <98383@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>Just went to the doctor today ... I'm a shade over 200 pounds, and my
>>blood pressure is 117 over 70.  8-)  Take THAT, medical industry!

>I'm not sure which is more correct--that one can be fat and healthy, or
>that the health risks of obesity accumulate over a lifetime.  I mean, to me
>this sounds a bit like a teenager who said "hey look, a pack of cigs a day 
>and my lungs are still clear!"

The health risks of _living_ accumulate over a lifetime.  

I know you and I are currently taking very different approaches to the
weight issue.  As you've mentioned, you've fasted and are now dieting and
exercising to bring your weight down.  If that works long-term for you,
great!  I am taking a different approach.  And part of that approach
involves learning to accept myself as a large woman, which is why I enjoy
this group.  I'm interested in no longer using food as a crutch, in not
eating compulsively.  But that may or may not have a big impact on my
weight and size.  Right now, for me, that's just not the issue.  

>I don't advocate that everyone struggle their whole life to be thinner
>than they can be.  But I'm not sure it's safe to assume that one's health
>isn't compromised by obesity because we're healthy at a relatively young age.

The threat of bad health, however, still isn't going to take the pounds
off permanently in someone who is eating compulsively for emotional
reasons.  In posting what I did, I was basically crowing a bit and
expressing my happiness that I didn't have high blood pressure.  I think
that's wonderful, and I'm thrilled.  

Am I a walking time bomb because I weigh 200 pounds?  Who knows?  My
paternal grandmother weighed that when she died at age 86.  My other
grandmother weighed 90 pounds when she died -- also at age 86.    

>Just something to think about (and flame me to a crisp-fried, crackly-crunch
>I suppose).
>
>Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
>mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
>...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls


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From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.142148.27487@news2.cis.umn.edu> jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield) writes:
>Is it only my experience, or do large-size women's clothes seem to
>be getting more and more expensive for less and less quality?

*sigh* Yes. I'm willing to pay for quality, since it ends up being less in
the long run.....the pieces last longer, amortizing the cost, and it's less
hassle in that I don't have to spend time finding a replacement. However, I
think Elisabeth is completely outrageously priced for what it is.

<button story deleted>

I got one just like that when I was a a similar store on Cape Cod over 10
years ago! I ought to go find it....I also have one that says "You too can
have a body like mine." First positive comments I can remember on being 
large...

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:54:31 EST
From: Shawn Pearce <SAP120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject:    Dating Services

I am curious as to if there are any dating services geared to large-sized
people.   Haven't had much luck where i am from and I'm trying other avenues.
And the net personals aren't much help either.

Also, I'm new to the net, so if anyone wants to drop me a line, feel free :)

Shawn.


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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Buying jeans
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:25:14 GMT

Yeah, I have a button that says "How DARE you presume I'd rather be thin?", 
and another that just says "Think Big". I don't wear them all the time, but 
I've never gotten much reaction one way or another.

If anyone is interested, I have a brochure from an organization called Rump
Parliament that has order forms for several fat acceptance/FA acceptance 
buttons, as well as a newsletter. If y'all want, I'll post the address and
some of the slogans.

Marty


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Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
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Every living thing is counting on us."      

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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Radience in the Seattle/Bellevue area
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:14:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: pnw

If you're looking for Radience in Seattle/Bellevue, here's
where to find it:

     Tower Books (Downtown Seattle & Bellevue)
     Newsstand at Crossroads Mall
     Newsstand at QFC across NE 8th from Bellevue Square

     Kathleen's Full-Size Fashions in Ballard. I heartily
     recommend Kathleen's, which carries lingerie, jeans,
     velvet & sequins & satin & silk formals, casual stuff,
     dressy stuff, even wedding dresses.  For the microcomputer
     folks out there, it's across from Ballard Computer.

-jen 
  
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From: germaine@cs.columbia.edu (Germaine L'Eveque)
Subject: Re: Buying jeans
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.204018.7456@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>[...]
>I was wondering if anyone else had trouble buying jeans.  Most jeans seem
>to be styled towards apple-shaped people (carrying weight in their
>abdomen) whereas I'm more pear-shaped (carrying weight in the hips and
>thighs).  I found a pair of jeans at Lane Bryant a few years back that
>had elastic sewn into the waistband and these fit me well.  Now Lane
>Bryant no longer carries this style (and I've not seen it elsewhere). 
>They carry stretch jeans that have no stretch to the waist-- so if I buy
>a size to fit my derierre, I get a waist-line that's rediculously baggy.
>

I know what you mean.  The other problem is that so many of the jeans made
in plus sizes shrink the minute you wash them, even in cold water, etc.

I did find one brand, though that is great -- LEE:
- come in sizes up to at least 28W
- have an elastic insert at the sides of the waistband, leaving the front
	and back of the waistband flat
- are not made of some knit substance pretending to be denim
- come in lengths average and short (for those 5'4" or under)
- don't shrink to a size smaller than you bought when you put them in
	the washing machine.

I buy this brand almost exclusively now.  Problem sometimes is finding
them.  Your posting reminds me that I've meant to find the phone number for
LEE so I could call them to find out what stores in my area sell their plus
sizes.  If I track down their number I'll post it.

Germaine

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Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW/fat buttons
From: lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 05:45:35 GMT
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ

Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>Jill Hollifield, jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu writes:
>>I came across [a button] that says "Fat
>>Can Be Beautiful".  I took a deep breath, and pinned it to my coat (after
>>
>I would never have expected the responses you've had from wearing the
>button.  Maybe the world isn't so entirely screwed up as I'd thought!

It isn't, believe me.  I have one that says "Goddesses are NOT anorexic",
I have no idea where it came from originally, a couple of friends (male)
bought it for me at a 2nd-hand table.

Everyone reads it, and they all say "yeah! good on ya!".  And it's a great
boost to my confidence.

(I like the sound of that "Straight but not narrow" one, too)


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Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Buying jeans
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:28:16 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:05:33 GMT
From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Large-Size Patterns
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:05:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Hi!

I responded to an ad in the back of BBW Magazine for a brochure from
a place that carries patterns for large-size and tall women, sizes
22 to 70.  I already know about Great Fit and other large size patterns
available through the regular pattern catalogues, but I had never 
heard of this place.  Anyway, I got it today and it looks great!

It's mostly career stuff, suits and dresses, with a few casual things
like jumpers, blouses, etc.  There is a drawing and description of
each pattern, and it looks like the average price for a pattern is
around $12.00.  I'm definitely going to place an order.  They will
also make the clothes for you if you don't like to sew, or whatever.

The information is:  Patterns Size 22 to 70 by Rosa Bellamy
                     222 N. 11th St.
                     Clarksville, TN. 37040

phone (615)645-8249.

I believe the brochure cost a couple of dollars, but there is a coupon
enclosed that makes up for it if you order.  They have a lot of patterns!
I would say at least 50.

Also I got another catalog from a company called Grey Walsh capes, they
carry a wide variety of capes, some in large sizes.  They are having a
sale right now, for example one item is a "Sherlock Holmes" cape,
a long, fully lined, wool cape in tan tweedy weave, with an attached
shoulder cape  and welt pockets.  They say it fits super-sizes.  It
is normally $350.00, but is now on sale for $99.00.  They also have
a matching "Sherlock Holmes" cap available for $15.00 (regularly $40.00)
For a catalog, call (800) 999-2212, or write to: P.O. Box 1912,
Amarillo, TX.  79106.

I just thought I would share this information with everyone--I have
no interest in these other than as a potential customer!

--Michelle Berteig

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From: sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul)
Subject: Statistics wanted - help ?
Organization: ALS Imaging
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:35:47 GMT

I just was thinking about how many people are "big folks"
and I was wondering if anyone knows?

How many people in the USA are big folks?
What percentage of the population does this amount to?

What percentage of each state is big folks?
How many people that are big folks live in each state?

Less important but just curious:
What percentage of people in the USA were big folks 200 years ago?
What percentage of people in the USA were big folks 100 years ago?
What percentage of people in the USA were big folks 50 years ago?
What percentage of people in the USA were big folks 10 years ago?

        All these statistics could be useful if trying to reach/
        serve big folks.

BTW, we haven't really defined "big folks," but how about it having
a meaning like you have to shop for clothes in plus sizes (20+up
since misses sizes stop at 18, or it might mean 14+up, the sizes in
plus size stores). I lean towards the 20+up meaning, but what do
you all think? It makes a slight difference in the above statistics.
I heard that the average size of women in the USA is 14, which would
be another reason to say that in order to be a big folk you have to
be significantly bigger than average, like a 20+).

I realize that there are people who wear a 12 who consider themselves
big and seek support for their size, but I don't think of 12 as big, and
I think anyone who's suffering a negative self image or oppression or
harrassment for being a 12 is in need of counceling for the former or
help/escape/support against the latter two.  What do you all think?

Sue
From: joyce@apple.com (Joyce Wermont)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: A mailing list for this newsgroup?
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:23:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Several newsgroups have mailing lists connected to them
which provide a means for people without USENET access to
read the newsgroup. They get the postings as email messages,
and post to the group by sending an email message out.

Would it be possible to set up such a mailing list for
this group? I know a few people who'd like to be able to
read it, but don't get USENET, though they do have net
access and can exchange email.

I'm sorry to say that I'm not volunteering to do this (can't,
unfortunately), but it seems like a good idea, so I thought
I'd throw it out in case anyone out there has the means and
motivation to do it.

Thanks,

Joyce
joyce@apple.com
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Buying jeans
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:29:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.204018.7456@news2.cis.umn.edu> sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone else had trouble buying jeans.  

This is like asking if the Pope is Catholic.

>Most jeans seem
>to be styled towards apple-shaped people (carrying weight in their
>abdomen) whereas I'm more pear-shaped (carrying weight in the hips and
>thighs).  

And I would say just the opposite!  I'm "apple-shaped," and when I find
jeans that fit me in the waist and tummy, they look elephantine on my
bottom and legs.  My friend, who's shaped like you, and I always debate
this point.  I really have to wonder just who these jeans are really
supposed to fit.

>I found a pair of jeans at Lane Bryant a few years back that
>had elastic sewn into the waistband and these fit me well.  Now Lane
>Bryant no longer carries this style (and I've not seen it elsewhere). 
>They carry stretch jeans that have no stretch to the waist-- so if I buy
>a size to fit my derierre, I get a waist-line that's rediculously baggy.

You'd probably like the ones I currently wear ... it seems to me that
they'd fit you better, but you may feel the opposite!  As usual, they
fit my waist and tummy but bag around the butt and legs. They're Lee jeans,
with an elastic waist.  I bought them in the Plus section of a local
department store; they had a much wider variety of jeans than Lane Bryant.

This department store is great, by the way (Strawbridge & Clothier,
downtown Philly); they have almost an entire floor devoted to the
larger-size woman!  Much nicer stuff than you'd get at Lane Bryant.  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: vcsc1169@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Ruth Anne Ladue)
Subject: Repost of resources
Originator: vcsc1169@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:33:15 GMT

Hi Everyone,

This was on a.s.b-f a couple of weeks ago and I just happened to save
it. Since I saw a couple of requests for this information, I thought I'd
repost it.


Ruth Anne   vcsc1169@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
"If you want to learn the art of breathing, why, I'll do everything I
can to help. After all, I've been breathing for years!"
                                           -- Palmer Cortlandt

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From csus.edu!netcom.com!artemis Fri Nov 13 18:18:29 PST 1992
Article: 535 of alt.support.big-folks
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul)
Subject: Lyons??
Organization: ALS Imaging
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:07:09 GMT


Avery Ray Colter wrote:

>the Kaiser newsletter, and who did I see on the cover but Pat Lyons,
>creator of the Great Shape programs.

Who is Pat Lyons and what is the Great Shape program?

thanks,

Sue
From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:55:48 GMT
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II

In article <By0vtH.33I@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:
>
>>years ago! I ought to go find it....I also have one that says "You too can
>>have a body like mine." First positive comments I can remember on being 
>>large...
>
>Um, be careful with that slogan. Maybe I'm being oversensitive, but it seems
>to me that it perpetuates the notion that we big folk are simply little folk
>who've made some sort of choice or non-choice. 

Hmmm, I never looked at it like that. I always looked at it as a way of saying
"If we all have to be the same, why must I be like you? Why can't you be like
me?"

Of course since the initial condition is false, it's all kind of moot.
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"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."                                     mlb@cisco.com
From: gnf00@ccc.amdahl.com (Geri N Finkelstein)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: FAT LIP Readers Theatre
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: gnf00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Geri N. Finkelstein)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

When rummaging around my apt. the other day, I found a flyer that you might
find interesting....

"FAT LIP Readers Theatre
with Wolfe Productions
Proudly Presents Our First Video:

NOTHING TO LOSE

Our 30 minute video includes the words and experiences of 16 fat, feisty
women, speaking, acting and singing about being fat in America in the 80's.
Scenes, dialogues, snappy answers to street taunts, poetry, song and more will
provoke you to laughter, tears and anger.  Our message is fat positive and
challenges the diet-obsessed, fat-hating culture we live in.  We present it as
an entertaining antidote to everyday life in America."

The cost is $29.95 plus $3.00 shipping/handling.  Checks/MO made out to FAT
LIP Readers Theatre, P.O. Box 29963, Oakland, CA  94604.
****************************************************************************

I'd write first to check and see if the tape is still available!  I saw this
group several months ago performing in Santa Cruz.  What an experience.  It
felt like my life was exposed up there in front of me.  The women in the group
are all shapes and sizes and include women of color and lesbians, as well as
young and older.  If you ever have the opportunity to see them in person, GO!

Keep the faith,

Geri
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From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:24:26 GMT
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II

In article <97870@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>One beef, though this one isn't with BBW per se:  Why is most clothing for
>large women in super-bright colors with bold geometric patterns?  I look
>lousy in that stuff. 

Yes, yes, yes! I look like death warmed over in "jewel tones" and that 
unholy trio of colors, mustard, eggplant, and olive. Unfortunately, that 
seems to be the majority of what they've been showing for larger women 
for the past few seasons, and in drop waist styles....something I can't 
wear, either.

I wish they've have more *variety* - leave some of the current stuff for
people who can wear it and who do look good in it, and have some alternatives
for those of us who can't. This way, we could all have what we look good in,
and the clothing manufacturers would sell more.
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"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."                                     mlb@cisco.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: bennettc@mace.cc.purdue.edu (bennettc)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:18:14 GMT