HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:14:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul28.165639.6557@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>In article <13802@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca 
>(Sanyee Tang) writes:
>>
>I assume that the Chinese female swimmers in the contests all have
>passed the gender test and drug test.  So a gold medal is a gold

Swimmers are only randomly selected for drug test.  I'm not sure
whether Lin Li and Zhuang Yong have been tested.

As a netter pointed out only a few kinds of drugs are tested and
there are many ways to avoid being caught.  For example, stop
the drug use a few month before the test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang)
Subject: Re: Steriod use (a forwarding)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:35:07 GMT

The following is a reposting from rec.sports.olympics without permission.  
It seems that as emotions are running high for winners and losers, so will 
be rumors. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 692 of rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Doping rumor
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 10:24:16 GMT

Today a Finnish newspaper quoted Johnny Gray (an athlete running 800 metres)
who claimed that he had seen one American gold medal winner in track and
field take steroids. The person in question had made jokes about taking
steroids and was quoted saying to Johnny Gray that "why don't you take
steroids too."

The steroid user is claimed to be one of the American gold medalists in 
Seoul 1988 so that leaves us with a few "suspects". Florence Griffith-Joyner,
Carl Lewis, Andre Phillips, Steve Lewis, Joe DeLoach...

The article also stated that cheating in doping tests is fairly common and
the athletes also make jokes about it. Every time a new substance to cover
the use of steroids is detected by the doping authorities a new one is 
invented.

All this reminds me of comments made by Joaquim Cruz (Brazilian 800
metres bronze medalist) in Seoul. He talked about the changes he had
observed in Flo-Jo's appearance since the LA games in 1984. He also made
a rather insulting remark that Jackie Joyner-Kersee (Heptathlon winner)
had taken so much steroids that she looked more like an ape than a human
being.

Athletes making this kind of statements might want some attention to 
themselves, but there's no smoke without fire...

Janne Kivela"
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Help wanted: J-1 to H-1 ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:34:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul26.173453.29140
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

In article <1992Jul24.101056@disuns2.epfl.ch> hua@disuns2.epfl.ch writes:
>Hi, netters:
>I have two questions regarding to visa types:
>1) Does anyone know if there is such a thing that J-1 issued by some european countries does not have "two-year limitations" and thus can be changed to any
>other status (F-1, H-1 etc).
>2) Is it possible to apply H-1 from outside the States(in Europe).
>
>You experience is appreciated.
>thank you.
>
>hua@disun20.epfl.ch

I don't think you could unless 1) you came before April 10, 1990 and
                               2) you were a student at that time

if you came after 4/10/1990, J-1 is hopeless unless the 
company that wants to hire you is willing to do something for you
i.e., from J-1 to H-1. From J-1 to F-1, you have to rule out the 
possibility....forget it...you will still have to be J-1...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:55:38 GMT

In article <2803@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>,
jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> ...
|> 
|> There was one US diver who was asked in an ABC program about why
Chinese
|> can do diving so well, he gave two reasons, one was because they
worked hard
|> the other was that it was the only thing in their lives, that was why
they
|> have to work so hard. Why can't he just accepts others are working
harder
|> and achieving better, other judgements are totally unnecessary.
                                        
	I'd really like to see the chinese embassy or ifcss or whoever
is concerned to start working on something for a better understanding 
of the chinese people among the americans. We all can do something, and
if we don't do it, who will? I have a sticker of the chinese flag on my
car(the five stars one, not the white sun one:-)) because I have always
been proud to be a chinese.
From: xbf@CELAL.USC.EDU (Bofu Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steroid (and more)
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.103411.17912@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Huang) writes:
<=>
<=>I don't want to say another about Chinese athletes. Those who really want
<=>to know the truth should make some friends from the national women's
<=>teams whose sports require strong muscle (not famous ping-peng team please!)
<=>then start by asking the question like "how do you postpone a women athlete's
<=>period if it happens to be during the game?" ...then you would know what to 
<=>ask next.

Do you think only Chinese women athletes know the secret?

or

Do you think only Chinese women athletes need to postpone periods?


Xiong Bofu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Lin Li won gold in 200 IM
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:29:19 GMT

In article <13175.2a77eb34@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang) writes:
>	Lin Li has won a gold medal in women's 200 IM with a new world 
>record. USA's Summer Sanders won a silver.

	Great!

	Also that, since she has broken the world record, she will be
automatically tested for drugs.  Let's try to conclude the steorid
discussion with the test results.  :-)


    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@math.psu.edu (Jee Shen)
Subject: Re: NBC olympic coverage
Reply-To: shen@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:18:19 GMT

In article 12277@athena.mit.edu, dethomas@athena.mit.edu (Drea E Thomas) writes:
>Just another note on NBC's appalling coverage of the olympics,
>
>In gymnastics, the standings were Eun, Romainia, USA and China.
>
>Tuesday night;
>They spent more than an 85 minutes on the first 3 countries,
>and a grand total of a 1.5 minutes on china. They showed only
>1 chinese gymnast, and throughout the performance they continually
>commented on how this wasn't the chinese teams best apparatus
>(then why didn't they show them on one they were particularly
>good at), how the chinese didn't have the 'right body type'
>to do well at this activity.. etc.
>
> Clearly you want to spend the most time on the top 3 countries,
>but am I the only one that thinks that this is unbalanced?
>Also, are there only 4 countries competing in gymnastics? Not
>one mention of any others.
>
> In the swimming events this pattern is just as bad. In one
>race (womens, 200 m breaststroke??) in which a chinese athelete
>got the silver medal, they never even showed her (in closeup)
>I never even saw her face. The american who won the bronze medal
>was profiled and interviewed extensively.
>
> When they do mention chinese athletes, they refer to them
>as machine like, all the same, no creativity.. etc.. all the
>usual stereotypes..
>
> This kind of arrogance/racism/xenophobia makes me ashamed
>to be an american.
>
> If you want to complain to NBC, the number was given earlier
>(212-664-4444).
>
>------------------
>just my $.02
>
>	-Drae-



Throughout the coverage of Olympic events these days, NBC has shown such kind of
CHAUVINISM that it is almost unbearable for all Chinese. Despite the excellent
performance, no positive image of a Chinese athlete has been shown on NBC, except
the unbelievable Fu Mingxia, whom the NBC anchorman had to(maybe not willing to) acknowledge as the "invincible prodigy of China".

Down to these "arrogance/racism/xenophobia" Mei(3) Guo(2) Lao(3)!
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A hope
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:54:00 GMT


          today's standing:
              U.S.   20
              U.N.   28
              CHN    18
              GEM    16

          I start to wonder in order to keep China within the top 3
          what is the maximum number of days we would like to
          see the Game to continue?

          China is losing its cutting edge day by day.  I have found
          that we are good at short distance things, such as 100m,
          200m, 4x100 relay etc.  We are not a country that produces
          Marathon winners.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: A1.CYW@isumvs.iastate.edu 
Subject: Tax-Free Goods
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:39:20 GMT

Dear Netters,

I would appreciate any information concerning the new regulation on tax-free
goods.  I will summarize the responses and post back to the group.
Thanks for your attention.

Charlie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cheng@sol.ral.rpi.edu (Wei-Ying Cheng)
Subject: Thanks to Friends who helped me for NJSTAR21
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:38:48 GMT

Hi, Friends: Since I posted my question about NJSTAR21, I have
received a lot response. Now I already solved my problem with
the help of those friends. I would like to appreciate all of
the helps by those friends who sent message to me! 

Thanks again!

Weiying


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Originator: fortony@murphy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:15:31 GMT

jqtan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jianqi Tan) writes:

>it's not other people's fault.  Aside from the technical angle, I doubt
>that you have any sense of asthetic appreciation.  It seems that your 
>only criteria are that they should be American.

Nope.  I'm not even an American citizen, and I certainly don't care
if the Americans win or lose every gold in the Olympics.  Please don't
accuse me of errant nationalism or oriental-bashing, and if you have to
try to take it to a personal level like Jianqi did above, please take
it to e-mail.

I'm personally interested in what other people besides myself and the
very large Chinese anti-me contingent thinks.  :)  Anyone willing to risk
it?
-- 
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <1992Jul22.175944.1@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au> p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
>>Chun Shide writes that the countries of Asia, and the KMT government on Taiwan,
>> did NOT breathe easily after the PRC's defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese.
>>
>>I agree with your point, my error!!!
>>
>>Andrew Papadimos
> 
>Please list the argument for PRC's defeat. 
>I can not tell Viet Won the War. Only because PRC retreated from Vietname,
>you claim that Viet won the War! 
>my side argument:
>  1. It was not PRC's intension to occupy vietname.
>     200,000 troops is not going to occupy a nation with 1 million troops.
>     the intension is only to show Vietname is vulnurable, the objective
>     was well achieved when last garrison toward Hanoi, LiangSan was
>     captured.
>   2. Another objective was to stop Vietname abuse ethnic Chinese, which
>     resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China alone.
>Westeners pretend to have monoply on truth and facts. Like the genocide
>claim in tibet, which is absolutely fabrication not only to Chinese people
>but also to people like U.S. statedepartment officals who visited tibet,
>and U.N. officials. But that did not stop Westen media keep bring up
>Tibet Genocide. To you guys, why bother with the truth, if lie
>serve you better--make you pompous!
>Enjoy yourself! You do not have to know anything.

I agree with you. One more point I like to add:
  3. China never issure the casualties of the war, Only  Vietname issured 
the casuaties of PLA. Can you believe their number? I remember that Vietname 
offically declared they had shut down more than 10,000 U. S. airplanes and 
killed couple million U. S. soldiers. Nobady take them seriously, except a few 
blind persons.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: China in Olympics.
Originator: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:48:05 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
>From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Freestyle
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:15:43 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 100m Freestyle Final
=======================================
 
World Record		54.48
Olympic Record		54.69

 
Gold	ZHUANG, Yong		CHN	54.64	<-- New Olympic Record
Silver	THOMPSON, J		USA	54.84
Bronze	VAN ALMSICK, Francisca	GER	54.94
------
4	HAISLETT, N		USA	55.19
5	PLEWINSKI, Catalin	FRA	55.72
6	JINGYI, Le		CHN	55.89
7	OSYGUS, Simone		GER
8	BRIENESSE, Karin	NED
 

** Results complete **
 
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:32:15 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 400m Individual Medley Final
=================================================

World Record		4:36.10
Olympic Record		4:36.29
 
Gold	EGERSZEGI, Kristina	HUN	4:36.54
Silver	LI, Lin 		CHN	?
Bronze	SANDERS, Summer		USA	?
------
4	LEWIS, Hayley		AUS	?

Placings Unknown... (News feed down again!)
Lane 1	HUNGER, Daniela		GER
Lane 2	KIMURA, Eri		JPN
Lane 6	SYNOWSKA, Ewa		POL
Lane 8	HIRANAKA, Hireko	JPN
 

** This message will be reposted when complete **
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: [Olympics] Medals Standings & Brief (As of July 27)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:19:34 -0500

The latest China-related Olympics News can be found in CND-Global during 
the Barcelona Summer Olympics.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: CND-SOURCE
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:03:09 EST

Brief: China contines to harvest another gold (Fu, Mingxia, WOMEN'S 
       PLATFORM) and another silver (Lin Li, WOMEN'S 200-METER 
       BREASTSTROKE) medal at today's game.  
       At another seperate event, Taiwan's baseball team lost to U.S. 
       team with a close score, 10:9.
       Liu Shoubin of China won the silver medal and Luo Jianming of China 
       won the bronze medal.
       Li Duihong of China won the silver medal.

@@@ DJ    07/27
Summer Olympics: Overall Medals Standings

        (THROUGH 17 EVENTS)
COUNTRY       GOLD SILVER BRONZE TOTAL
United States    3      2      4     9
China            2      5      0     7
Unified Team     5      1      0     6
Germany          1      1      3     5
Hungary          2      1      0     3
France           0      2      1     3
Sweden           0      2      1     3
Bulgaria         1      1      0     2
Australia        1      0      1     2
Italy            0      1      1     2
South Korea      1      0      0     1
Japan            1      0      0     1
Poland           0      1      0     1
Independent Team (Yugoslavia)
                 0      0      1     1
Finland          0      0      1     1
Netherlands      0      0      1     1
Romania          0      0      1     1
Mongalia         0      0      1     1
Surinam          0      0      1     1

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Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Ping Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Divefinal: result-M's 3m Springboard
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:12:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: DIVEFINAL: Result-M's 3m Springboard
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:34:33 GMT
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.

DIVING - Men's 3m Springboard FINAL
===================================
 
Gold	LENZI, Mark		USA	676.53 pts
Silver	TAN, Liangde		CHN	645.57
Bronze	SAOUTINE, Dmitri	EUN	627.78
------
 4	MURPHY, Michael		AUS	611.97
 5	FERGUSON, Kent		USA	609.12
 6	MONDRAGON, Jorge	MEX	604.14
 7	JONGEJANS, Edwin	NED	581.40
 8	STATSENKO, Valeri	EUN	577.92
 9	ANDERSSON, J		SWE	562.74
10	KILLAT, Albin		GER	556.35
11	ROURKE, Mark		CAN	540.66
12	LORENZINI, D		ITA	527.73


** Results complete **
I am very sad for this results. It seems that Tan always gets silver  
medal.
From: tzhou@ccs.carleton.ca (Tian Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: re:wa jin zi
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:30:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: alfred.9207211230.AA03865.3865
Organization: Indiana University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hi there:
          I need some help to ftp Wa Jin Zi from tolsun.oulu.fi.
What's the username and password it required to login?

Thank you in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Subject: China won a gold again ?
Reply-To: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:49:21 GMT

 (Xiayong, Zhuang). Is this the second gold China won in Judo ?

  Anyone can confirm this ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:22:55 GMT

In article <#8V--5-@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.165615.18099@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com  writes:
>>
>>You are right in part. The Civil War did not change the status of China just 
>>like the Civil War did not change the status of Taiwan - a part of ROC. prc
>>does not have any legal right on the territory of Taiwan. 
>
>You are right in part. Taiwan is a part of China administrated by the
>government Republic of CHINA.
>
>J Chen
>Department of Chemistry
>University of Michigan

Are you trying to convince me that the Republic of China is China? Then GIVE THE MAINLAND
CHINA BACK TO THE ROC. What are you waiting for?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: CND Summer Olympics Special Issue (IV), July 31, 1992
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:25:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.112337.2330@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp>, 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Dingding CHANG) writes:
>In article <9207310442.AA09208@wurobot@wugate.wustl.edu> xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>
>>             * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
>>
>>                             (News Global)
>>
>>                  Special Issue on 1992 Summer Olympics (IV)
>>
>>LIN Li       : Gold. Women's 200-meter individual medley
>>WANG Huifeng : Silver. Women's foil fencing
>>ZHANG Di     : Bronze. Judo, women's 134-pound division
>>?????????    : Bronze.  ????????
>>
>
>
>It may be:
>SHENG Zeshan  : Bronze. Wrestling, man's 57 kilo . 
>                                                      From Japan, D.D.C 
>
>
>>[Editor's Note: While both AP and DJ reported that China has 21 bronze
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They probably mean those medals china has collected since 1984.
>>medals in total, the editors have not been able to determine the event for 
>>which China won this unaccounted for Bronze medal.]
>-- 
>			D Chang
>			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Earlier Research
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:58:55 GMT

Absolutely!  Of the modern American politicians, quite a number come to mind.  
However, it shouldn't be lost on the very few people posting in this newsgroup 
who always take the smug moral highground vis-a-vis China that this observation
is universal.  That is, it applies to all cultures.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: Romancing of the Three Kingdoms
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:19:37 GMT


I hope this message goes at the right place, I am currenly doing a
research in recreating the events held on the Three Kingdoms of China
(200A.D. to 245 A.D.).  I know there's many books I can find at
the library for the story of the Romancing of the Three Kingdoms.

Now that I have read all the books, I would like to ask if there's
anyone outthere can help me in getting the movies (or series) of the
Romancing of the Three Kingdoms.

Also, if anyone know where I can order the time period's armors?

Your e-mail is greatly appreciated!

-- 
No one is a failure... Keep up your dream and you will find it!
Ask always WISDOM from God!
From: lix@bucrsb.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:27:34 GMT

Tingli Pan wrote (to Tuya):
>To me, I perfer your writing instead of Qion Yao's. Her books ain't that
>bad, but too much Nian Nian Qiang.

Me too. But if you read only one of her book, you can still bear it. Not
more than one, all the same, all the same Nian Nian Qiang.

But Tuya has some problem in these few days, see his "Lan Hua Ciao",
smell strongly female. Are you all right, Tuya? What wine did you drink
recently?
From: yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:44:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus

In article <1992Jul29.182524.3626@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> 
xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>[OK you know how much I hate the Tempo by now. :-)]
>
I don't like it either.

>Whoever made the decision or was sold on the Tempos deserves to be
>rolled over by them.
>
But before you call it a bad deal, you better know what the prices are.
It could be a super deal if the prices are right.