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From: phopkins@sol.UVic.CA (Paul Hopkins)
Subject: Esperanto course
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:20:45 GMT

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                             FREE ESPERANTO COURSE

What ?					Kio ?
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Esperanto League for North America. We	Course de la Esperanto-Ligo de Norda
hope to add courses in other languages	Ameriko. Ni esperas aldoni kursojn en
in the future.				aliaj lingvoj estonte.

How much ?				Kiom ?
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correct your exercises, and send you	korektos viajn ekzercojn, kaj sendos al
subsequent lessons.			vi sekvajn lecionojn.

Why ?					Kial ?
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Who ?					Kiu ?
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Where ?					Kie ?
Send e-mail to me (address: see below)	Sendu e-posxton al mi (adreso: vd.
and I will send you the first lesson,	sube) kaj mi sendos al vi la unuan
together with the network address of	lecionon, kune kun la retadreso de via
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From: georgn@noweh.com (Georg S. Nikodym)
Subject: Noweh-Caly UUCP connection
Followup-To: ont.uucp
Organization: Noweh Software
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:23:31 GMT

After a plea for mercy, the caly-noweh UUCP connection has been
re-established.

-- 
Georg S. Nikodym  -  (416) 272-5198 / 720-4729
Noweh Software - Mississauga, Ontario, CANADA
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From: navtej@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Navtej Singh)
Subject: test - Please ignore!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:37:02 GMT


Test!
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Re: Lower and upper Canadas
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:16:49 GMT

In <1992Sep9.093134.9300@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>My fuzzy understanding was that Montcalm had upset the big cheese in
>France who was busy with some other business in Europe. The big cheese
>in France was aware of the British threat but didn't give a damn. He
>abandoned Quebec under Montcalm. Montcalm had tried to bolster his
>forces with anybody and his uncle that he could find willing to help
>him. His "armies" were a disorganised rabble as a result. When the
>British "invaded" they "conquered" without too much trouble.

>That is my vague, probably distorted, understanding of the events.

The "other business in Europe" was the 7 Year's War which involved all the
major powers in Europe.  New France and the other French colonies in the
New World would have been quite far down the priority list.  Even if troops
had been available to send to New France there would have been the 
practical problem of how to get them there -- the British generally had
naval superiority around that time.
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"Why can't we just forget about our constitutional problems and go canoeing?"
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Organization: Ed (the iguana) Memorial Society
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 23:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.011100.18586@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.212907.25612@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati) writes:
>>Can anybody out there really justify the sale of fire arms in this society?
>>Surely, we can maintain some type of hunters association and isolate the
>>fire arms within them so they don't find their way into the cities.
>
> Justifications for selling - and more basically, for owning -
> fireams in our society:
> 
> [several, very NRAish justifications ]

in addition to these (outdated) justifications, there are sports which
involve using guns, such as hunting, target practice, even the Olympic
Biathalon.

if the fact that these items can be used to kill someone, you may want to
think about how many other things should be banned as well.

personally i think the total elimination of alcohol would provide more
positive benefits to society, than the useless efforts of more strict
gun control.

gun control in canada is very effective.

the biggest problem with gun control in canada, it that big, long, 
pretty much wide open border we have with the US.

Guns don't kill people, criminals kill people.

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[   "Like a pump in a fish tank, we keep new things coming in so old things   ]
[    don't die." -- Archie McPhee Catalog                                     ]
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:43:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.024437.5216@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>Proportional representation should also come with term limits!

And mandatory recall from parliament if voters want the MP to change
votes, or throw the bum out!
>
>Gerald
>


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  Just another "Enemy of Canada"
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  Say NO/NON to Constitutional
 Electrical Engineering                 |  hegomony and fear-mongering
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca                     |  by politicians/scum.
________________________________________|_________________________________
Newsgroups: can.general
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: Message from Concordia University
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:07:10 GMT


In article <4949@daily-planet.concordia.ca>
Patrick Kenniff (Rector & Vice-Chancellor, Concordia University) writes:
>
>The   Vice-Rector,  Academic   conducted   an   inquiry   into  the
>numerous  allegations [Dr. Fabrikant] raised  and  reported  to  the
>Board of Governors  in  March  1992  that  they  were  unfounded.

I'm not surprised.  Question is:  Who is more believable, Fabrikant or
this Rector/Vice-Chancellor?  I don't know...
(Aside:  Can you spell "coverup" boys and girls...?)

>Let us not, however,
>lose  sight of who the victims are in this tragedy. There can be no
>excuse nor justification for the brutal and senseless actions of 24
>August 1992.

No arguments here...

Edgar
-- 
Edgar Matias
Input Research Group
University of Toronto
--
I speak for no one...
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: chris@mks.com (Chris Retterath)
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal to prevent furthur incidents
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:29:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.022135.18454@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>Are guns a "social good"?  Will people be gravely impacted in their
>lives if they're not allowed to own handguns?  (I mean real life, here,

Here where I live the nearest police are >30minutes drive away.
We have long guns for vermin control (groundhogs, rabid skunks, stray dogs
in with the sheep), and for 'peace of mind' in case of two-legged vermin :-)

>>>Just a question, though.  Why is target shooting with a handgun more
>>>fun that with a rifle, or a bow, or a crossbow, or a relatively
>>>harmless air-gun?  Isn't the whole point of a sport the challenge, and
>>>aren't these alternatives just as challenging?  (Not a flame, I really
>>>want to know.)
>>
>>getting five out of five with a rifle is generally more easy than with a
>>handgun.
>
>And it's harder with an air pistol.  But these don't give the same
>feeling of power as a handgun, do they?

Don't knock it until you've tried it -- I've never fired a handgun
with powder, but a CO2 handgun for pigeons is much more difficult,
and much more fun when you do hit your (moving) target, then a shotgun.

Someday I'll get around to joining a club and trying the *real thing*,
just for the fun of it.

>Can you really say that the extra pleasure target shooters get from the
>bigger "bang" of their pistols is worth a single human life?

What limits will you accept to save a human life? Do you want us
to live and die in total safety and security? Don't count on it!!

	Chris Retterath


Xref: sparky can.general:4368 can.politics:6564 soc.culture.canada:6389
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:40:51 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:

>And automatic by-elections for new mandate if the bum changes party
>or policy dramatically from that for which he was elected.

Parties are needed to band members together so that they can form a stable
government.  Parties decide on a policy, and require members to follow the
policy.  If the member cannot follow the policy, he's out of the party.

The reformers in this thread now have two conflicting positions.
1) Allow members more freedom from party discipline.
2) Subject members to absolute party discipline, on pain of recall.

If there were less discipline, governments would have trouble implementing
a coherent programme.  If there were more, backbenchers would lose whatever
bargaining power they have in the making of that programme.

The current system works pretty well.

Holden had the right to switch parties.  What he can be reproached for is
switching to a party that supports the law he was elected to protest.  As a
result, he has lost all credibility and will not be elected again.  No problem.

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
Montreal
Xref: sparky can.general:4426 can.politics:6688 soc.culture.canada:6482
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
	<1992Sep5.020653.27163@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
	<1992Sep5.234939.17157@iguana.uucp>
	<1992Sep6.165102.23841@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:24:15 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:51:02 GMT, masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason) said:

  > >(mind you KW Surplus in Kitchener, Ontario has an old Sherman for sale)
  > >
  > Really?  I could use a tank!!  Think how safe I would be then...

It would certainly be safer than a car to go to work.

And as a bonus, if there's a traffic jam you can make some
room...  unless the jam is on a bridge, of course. But then
again, you could go over the cars.

Yep! that would be great. What's the adress of this surplus
store?
--
  ,                          ,                           ,
Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | Tel: (514)340-5950
sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | Fax: (514)340-4078
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 21:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.023402.13095@pandora.matrox.com> 
thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer) writes:
>
>>Guns don't kill people, criminals kill people.
>
>      ... often with guns.

often with shotguns, or other rifles not covered by the strict gun control
enforced on handguns.

they also use knives, and bats, and tire irons, and their hands.

maybe if we made all firearms covered under the same controls as handguns,
things would be safer.

it would piss off alot of hunters, but it would reduce the number of registered
weapons.

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[             I don't want to work for a company that has a CIO.              ]
[              Disclaimer! I don't need no stinking Disclaimer!               ]
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: mfrappie@csi.uottawa.ca (Marc Frappier)
Subject: Re: Lower and upper Canadas
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.213428.7721@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>... Quebec fell into English possession
>not at the Plains of Abraham, but on the battlefields and negociation
>tables of Europe.

La Nouvelle-France ne fut pas cedee par Napoleon, mais par Louis XV en 1763
par le traite de Paris a la suite de la guerre de 7 ans.  St-Pierre et
Miquelon furent les seules terres conservees par la France.
-- 
Marc Frappier				| e-mail: mfrappie@csi.uottawa.ca
Department of Computer Science          |
University of Ottawa                    | phone : (613) 564-9232
Ottawa, Canada, K1N 6N5                 | fax   : (613) 564-9486
Xref: sparky can.general:4439 soc.culture.canada:6516
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:15:53 GMT

masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason) writes:
> In article <3247@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
> >masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason) writes:
> >> [A great deal of supposition and biased opinion presented as fact.]
> >
> >You either know very little about gun control issues or are lying
> >to further your rather obvious agenda.
> 
> Not very nice.  The other way to look at this is that perhaps I do
> know about gun control and also have my own opinions.

I wasn't talking about you opinions, I was talking about the 'facts'
you gave in support of these opinions.  I don't care if people
disagree with me but I do care if they, through either malice or
ignorance,  make up 'supporting' arguments.

Rob.
--
Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 14:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.200854.26493@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In fact, under such a system, I could create my own party, the Rhealist
>Party of Canada, and if I can convince .5% of the voters ACROSS THE
>WHOLE COUNTRY that I'm worth their vote, I'm in!  (Nah, never mind -
>those guys have to wear suits and ties all the time...)

Wouldn't we then get into the situation of having many many political
parties across the land? By itself, there's nothing wrong, except when
they have to form a government, then every policy takes that much longer
to produce, since you have to achieve concensus in the coalition. Even
then that's not bad, since a concensus is always preferred over an
ideological no-brainer straight arrow. But there is serious possibility
of government getting bogged down and not going anywhere. Israel is a
good example. Italy a less than amusing example.

>The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr
>This has been a paid broadcast by the Rhealist Party of Canada
>   Electoral Platform, Point 1:  Abolish suits and ties!

I already disagree with your Point 1. Image is important in politics.
That's why Ovide-dude wears a nice suit AND a magnificent eagle feather
crown to the negotiations. Wear a suit if it'll impress your immediate
audience and peers. Don't wear one if it will be detrimental to you.
All the world needs a flexible, pragmatic, sensitive politician. We do
not need ideological fools with their blinders on, ready to run another
lap around the track not knowing that the horse race is already over.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
From: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Robert Meunier)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Please help stop the violence
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (IREQ)


	Je me souviens de cet evenement qui m'avais beaucoup attriste
ayant moi-meme des enfants. Toutefois, je crois que de pointe cons-
temment la television comme le responsable de la violence est trop
facile.
	Les guerres, les meurtres et les viols existent depuis que
le monde est monde. L'avenement de la television ne date que d'environ
50 ans. La violence urbaine est beaucoup plus due au chomage et a la
pauvrete qu'a la television. On pourrait meme dire que le defoulement
que la television procure pourrait eviter certaines violences dans la
rue. Par-contre, il est evident que d'avoir des emissions constructives
aux petits ecrans seraient surement meilleurs.
	Dans les cas de viols sur des enfants, je croie que notre 
systeme de justice est en grande partie responsable. Les "fous" s'en
sortent toujours trop facilement en declarant la demance ou la folie.
Ils passent quelques temps dans un asile puis resortent supposement
guerie pour recommencer. Les pedohiles et les pyromanes sont deux
exemples de tel sorte de gens. En general, bien connus des policiers,
ils sont les premiers suspects. Mais toujours apres avoir commis
un crime atroce ou d'inocentes victimes ont payees de leur vie les
erreurs de notre systeme de justice.

	Dans un but d'equite, il serait peut etre temps de retablir
la peine de mort!


PS je laisse le soin a qui veut bien de traduire cela pour les "autres"



---
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Ingenieur                          1800 Montee Ste-Julie, Varennes
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: How about some polling?
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:45:29 GMT

Dave Eschatosig Yadallee suggests:
> .. Why not us as Canadians do some polling of our own.  Anyone can do it.
> If we want, a separate newsgroup for this discussion.

If you mean polling _via_this_medium_, how do you get any reasonable
measure of statistical significance ?

"99.44 % of the readership of sci.physics knows that perpetual motion
 machines are themodynamically impossible" sort of problem.  (Most
Canadians would allow their governments to fund perpetual motion
research and development projects :-) )

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

Xref: sparky can.general:4325 soc.culture.canada:6336
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal to prevent furthur incid
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 08:28:41 PDT
Distribution: can
Organization: Robert Smits

ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati) writes:

> In article <92Aug26.204639edt.47888@neat.cs.toronto.edu> quoctp@cs.toronto.ed
> 
> > [stuff deleted]           Handguns (which were used by Fabrikant
> >in the shooting) are not at all "far too easy to get" legally in Canada.
> >In fact, Canada has one of the strictest law concerning legal ownership
> >of handguns. 
> 
> Obviously there are alot of loop holes, and the laws are not strict enough.
> Can anybody out there really justify the sale of fire arms in this society?
> Surely, we can maintain some type of hunters association and isolate the
> fire arms within them so they don't find their way into the cities.
> 


More bureaucracy and hassling of legitimate gun owners is unlikely to 
have much effect on those who are determined to break not only laws 
concerning gun ownership but much more serious ones like murder. 
Firearms are tools, and are used legitimately by thousands of Canadians
- for hunting, protection from wild animals, protection of livestock, 
competitive shooting, collection as historic artifacts, law enforcement, 
etc.

If you want to reduce violent crimes, you'd do better by looking at a 
society that glorifies all kinds of violent acts, and teaches us - 
through our movies, television, magazines, politicians, etc - that force 
is the appropriate way to settle disagreements. Picking on any particular 
tool is a waste of time.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)

Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels 
instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne

Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep07.210517.7931@xenitec.on.ca> merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.023402.13095@pandora.matrox.com> 
>thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>>merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer) writes:
>>
>>>Guns don't kill people, criminals kill people.
>>
>>      ... often with guns.
>
>often with shotguns, or other rifles not covered by the strict gun control
>enforced on handguns.
>
>they also use knives, and bats, and tire irons, and their hands.

	Wasn't the largest mass killing in the USA done using
gasoline? Could  someone  post the murder  rates in  Canada  by 
weapon used? 

						James Nicoll	
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada