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From: lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox)
Subject: Puffs and Slashes and Seams
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:03:41 GMT

I just received Email relaying the information that there is interest in
Puffs and Slashes, Mistress Caterina's and my Annotated Bibliography of 
Costume, and our newsletter, Seams Like Old Times.  
  Though neither of us is currently active in the SCA both publications are
still available, and Seams will continue publishing for the forseeable future
although it has become very irregular.  
   Issue 18 will be out by the end of the year.

Back issues of Seams are available for $1.50 @  (#'s 2-17) by mail.
Puffs and Slashes (which is a greatly updated version of the bibliography that
was Seams #1) is 
was Seams #1)  is $2.50 by mail.

Four issue subscriptions to SEAMS are $5.00 (with the caveat, again, that publication is irregular.)

Address is
   Linda Reames Fox
  P. O. Box 443
 Bloomington, IN 47402-0443

Email me if you want information on back issues (some are temporarily out of 
print).   

LRFox 

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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: FRP negative stereotypes
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:09:24 GMT

Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:

> But, fighters, heralds, weavers, carpenters, and politicians all have 
> their place within the neo-medieval world that the SCA creates.  Gamers 
> are not part of that world.  Neither are computers.  Folk with such 
> hobbies are welcome to have fun with them in public.  The SCA isn't 
> public in that wise.

	On the other hand, the gamers can easily fit within the
medieval world the SCA creates by limiting their gaming conversation
to those games that may have existed in period.  While I suspect AD&D
was not a typical period game, the same cannot be said for various
war games and simulations designed to test strategies.  In addition,
an AD&D-type can easily play their game under the guise of a tutoring
session from a veteran explorer or adventurer.  Think of it!

	"Alright, kids, let's assume we've just discovered an old,
run-down castle similar to the one I found on '23.  Now then, what
would *you* have done?"

	K1: "Well, I'd have checked the door for traps.  After all,
a castle is sure to have wealth hidden within, and that wealth would
be protected by something."

	"Good move.  I did this very thing, and found no traps.  I
opened the door, and stepped into a great hall.  What I saw was...
So, what would you do now?"

	"Hmmmm...  Tapestries can be used to conceal hidden passages,
so I'd look behind them first."


	Alright, it can look fairly stupid too.  Somehow, though, I
can see Erik the Red and Leif Eriksson having this conversation during
those cold northern winters.

	Erik Aarskog, Axed Root, Calontir, passing through.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: rhaven@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes
Summary: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 22:41:38 PDT
Reply-To: rhaven@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



And, of course, you can't swing a cat in the West without hitting a four-time
Duke or Dutchess.  Not that I'm recommending doing that; you might hurt the ccat.
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Authorization and armour requirements
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:09:30

 UN>  Is it generally acceptable/legal to wear a sword as part of garb if
 UN> it never clears the scabbard and the wearer is unauthorized?
 IMHO, yes.  There are no restraints within the SCA on who may and who 
 may not wear a weapon as part of their apparel.  If you choose to 
 restrict yourself based on your persona, or if you check into the 
 mundane law and realize you could be in big trouble, those are different  kettles of fish.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth, Steppes, Ansteorra

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: UCCXDEM <UCCXDEM@MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:23:00 GMT

>In article <1558@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>>..... If you don't
>>have a pickup, you ain't a _real_ fighter.  How is it in the other 10 kingdoms?
>
>In the West, we have vans, we have pickups, we have station wagons, we even
>have a couple of RVs, one trailing a sizable trailer (but he's a merchant).
>But Jade of Starfall, the o/n/c/e/ six times and future King, drives a
>natty little red Porsche (license plates SIR JADE) because he has a household
>with vans and trucks and things to carry the encampment in.
>
>
>Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Our little fighter practise group(3 knights, 6 squires and 7 fighters)
regularly has 2 times as many trucks as cars show up. One of the knights
made a repeat of a comment he heard at Pennsic one year. "You can tell
where those gentles are from by all the trucks, Ansteorra." I would like
also to know what other Kingdoms use on the average.

H.L. Marke
(new Companion to the Order of the Iris of Merit)
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Makeing Velium
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 11:12:18 -0500

Lady AElfhaelen of Rivenstar writeth via joe@ea.ecn.purdue.edu:

 AoR> Obtain a skin that was bled out as soon after death as possible.

A kosher slaughterhouse might be able to help there, since blood is unkosher and
carcasses are generally bled out *immediately* after death.


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Subject: Re: Bilingual inn jokes... (Was: Re: Latin (was silly welsh request))
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:00:46 GMT

In article <24127@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@fugazi.sybase.com 
 (Leigh Ann Hussey) abases herself in this manner:
>Greetings to the Rialto from Siobhan!
>Etienne regales us with his wit thusly:
>|> A citizen of the eternal city walks into a bar and says to the bartender
>|> "give me a martinus".  The bartender says "don't you mean _martini_?". 
>|> To which the roman responds "If I want two, I'll ask for them".....  
>
>Jock came back from France and went to put down a pint with Angus and
>Geordie.  "Och, lads," sez he, "that France is an unco' place!  Ye ask
>fer twa eggs, and they gie ye three!"

I'll give you three eggs, lass.

>splut!< >splut!< >splut!<

--Julien, the egging bandit.
-- 
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
|  Julien Finaudere' du Main Pourpre         |  Jim Meyer DoD#680      |
|  Collegium Turris Animarum, Bryn Gwylad    |  purp@wixer.cactus.org  |
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Seneschal's courts
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:23:02 GMT

Miklos asked:
  It may not always be a case of "want", so much as "need".  Doesn't corpora
  require 25 paid members to form a barony?  

Hal Ravn answered:
  20, I think.

Corpora 1992, Section V.A.3.a for forming a Barony/Province:
         a. At least 25 subscribing members.

As fuel for the discussion on membership levels, Carolingia has about
100 paid members, with about 250 members listed in our local phone
book.  There ya go...

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Makeing Velium
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <718928357.F00085@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
|> cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin) writes:
|> 
|>  RC> 3) You can attach the hide to the frame (herse) 
|>  RC> via slits, but you cannot get very much tension
|>  RC> before the hide (weakened by being slit) tears.
|>  RC> The prefered (and period) method is to take a
|>  RC> smooth round object (pebbles or even glass
|>  RC> marbles), and tie the edge of the skin over the
|>  RC> object (called a pippin).  The pippin prevents the 
|>  RC> hide from slipping.
|> 
|> Is this period just for that application or many others?  In summer camp, when I
|> was a kid, we used this method to attach lines to blankets in order to make
|> tents, and there are zillions of other uses....


It is period for this application specifically (see R.Reid, Ancient
Skins, Parchments and Leathers as well as assorted period illustrations).
I have no idea if it is period in other contexts.  I imagine it is.

About the well bled hides: may not be too important.  It depends on
how white and even you want the vellum to be.  For some bookbinding
leathers, it was customary to beat the animal carcass prior to flaying
to accentuate blood vessel patterns in the finished vellum (again,
see Reid). I find standard hides from the slaughter houses to be
just fine.  I've even used deer hides with large amounts of blood
still in them.

Cheers,
Balderik
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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re: Re:One Oh
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 05:55:45 GMT

I'll sing you Twelve, oh
Green grow the rushes, oh!
What is your Twelve, oh?
Twelve for the Twelve great Kingdoms
Eleven for the Eleven wrong ways to act; and
Ten for the Annivers'ry
Nine for the Nine Exemplars; and
Eight for the noble motives
Seven for the Seven raised up on high; and
Six for the Six proud Servants
Five for the Symbol that's a chore; and
Four for the Picture Makers
Three, Three, the Pillars
Two, Two, the genders true
Clothed all in rules-o
One is the forum all alone
That's known as the Rialt-o!

(Phew! That's all folks! ... I won't be in to Uni tomorrow, so
I'll post an explanation of all this on Friday.)

(Which will be Thursday afternoon for most of you punters :)

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit. 
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Cardweaving
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:19:34 -0500

Vashti (Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org) writeth:

 RW> Card weaving or  tablet weaving, is done
 RW> with 4 threads intead of just two, threaded through  
 RW> the holes punched in the corners of the cards.

A thought occurs.  Has anybody tried this with cards other than square?  Maybe
even ones with an odd number of sides?


From: Henry.Best@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Henry Best)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: elf ears r us
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:54:32 -0500

   A number of people have enjoyed my story about the trekkie and I am pleased
to hear it. I must have created a false impression tho: 
 
Everyone seems to think I thought of that reply on the spot and have
congratulated me on my quick wits. Alas, I can never think of things like that
on the spot. I thought it up in advance after being exposed once and not having
any good clean way to deal with it. I essentially had the retort "on file" when
I needed it.
 
I actually received one request to release copyright(!) and grant permission to
use the retort in conversation. I have always assumed that anything I wrote in
or for the SCA was clear to use for any benign not for profit use. Please
consider this blanket permission for anything I might publish.
 
                                  Henry Best, Isenfir, Atlantia
From: paul@sierra.COM (Paul Stratton, Sierra Geophysics, Inc.)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Kingdom Heraldry Submission Rates (updated to 6 October 92)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:31:08 GMT
Organization: The Internet

This is the data I have after the weekend.  I know there are people from 
other kingdoms out there.  Let's hear some information on your kingdoms
prices!

Drogo

  				Cost per item in US $		Local
  				--------------------------	Optional
  Kingdom			Member		Non-Member	Surcharge
  =======================================================================
  An Tir			$8		$8
  Ansteorra
  Atenveldt
  Atlantia			$8		$8
  Caid
  Calontir			$7		$8
  East				$6		$6		$0.75
  Meridies
  Middle			$6.50		$6.50
  Outlands
  Trimaries
  West				$8		$8
	Lochac			$12 AU		$12 AU

  Pennsic			$7		$7
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: ... "Autocr Dancing from Pictures; Waivers
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:01:27 GMT

In article <718495270.F00004@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:

>So tell us, Aryk, why ARE the women dressed like mushrooms???

I'm buggered if I know.  I think some Western woman once saw a picture of
a 16th century German woman with her skirts hiked up over a belt, and so
they all do it with their 16th century German dresses.  And it makes them
look like mushrooms.

Overheard in the West:  "I just found documentation for mushrooming
			houppelandes!"

Go figure.

Aryk
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: ... "Autocr Dancing from Pictures; Waivers
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:30:25 GMT

In article <BvqBKB.1F1@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>I hope we've all learned something here.  Never.  NEVER ask a Westie
>why they call the list ropes "the Eric".
>
>They just can't resist telling you.  And it's not just Dorothea and Hal.

Well....  We *were* asked...

>When they're done they'll finish by telling you how their kings can do
>anything they want, and how they don't even know what "curia" means, and
>look Jade won a tournament again.

Yup--the King's Word Is Law.

"Curia"?  That's what the East does regularly.  The West holds Kingdom
Officers Meetings.  The Principality of the Mists holds "Mists'
Management Meetings"  (try saying it in a hurry).

And, yes, Jdae just won a tournament again last Saturday.  It will be
his 7th reign--one behind James Greyhelm.

>Gawd.

any perticular Gawd in mind?    :-)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)


-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: How to simulate a castle siege at home
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 19:07:28

 MM> HOW TO SIMULATE A CASTLE SIEGE AT HOME

 MM> 1. Surround yourself with a few people you don't like.
 etc...

 Lord Michael,  you make some very good points.  Most of us do not want to  live in the REAL Middle Ages.  The smell alone would drive you mad.

 We live in Texas, where the fleas occasionally try to take over -- a flea- infested house is not only possible, but probable if you have animals and a  very hot summer.  It takes about 3 or 4 Flea Bombs over a course of as many  weeks to remove the little buggers, and in the meantime, you scratch a lot.   I don't know how dogs and cats stand it!

 Enjoyed the post!
 
 -- Vashti


 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Makeing Velium
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:44:20 -0500

cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin) writes:

 RC> 3) You can attach the hide to the frame (herse) 
 RC> via slits, but you cannot get very much tension
 RC> before the hide (weakened by being slit) tears.
 RC> The prefered (and period) method is to take a
 RC> smooth round object (pebbles or even glass
 RC> marbles), and tie the edge of the skin over the
 RC> object (called a pippin).  The pippin prevents the 
 RC> hide from slipping.

Is this period just for that application or many others?  In summer camp, when I
was a kid, we used this method to attach lines to blankets in order to make
tents, and there are zillions of other uses....
From: rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (Dale Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes (was Re: Dancing from Pictures; Waivers)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:32:07 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Oct8.153743.2392@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>Principalities are welcome to play
>>too.  
>
>There don't tend to be many repeats in Mists and Cynagua, though there
>are some in Oertha and Lochac.
>
>	--Hal

In Cynagua there are a few repeats.  Alfrik {founder of Tribe Rot Mahne} and
Phelan Bytor, come to mind, both have been Prince several times, I'm sure there
are others.

Wolfgang Rotkopf

-- 
   __        _                     Dale A. Harris  {rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu} 
  /  )      //                           /   "There is only one Race, the     
 /  / __.  // _      , , , __.  _       /_  _  __  _  Human Race", If I 
/__/_(_/|_</_</_    (_(_/_(_/|_/_)_    / /_</_/ (_</_  quoted someone...good.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Membership Statistics
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:17:11 GMT


It's been a while since I posted any of this.  This data
is the July, 1992 close information.

              July 1992 
             For.  Total

Ansteorra      0    1753
An Tir         0    1844 
Atenveldt      0    1306
           
Atlantia       1    1348
Caid          13    1850 
Calontir       0    1093

East         254    3874   
Meridies       0    1556  
Middle         0    3144 
          
Outlands       0     911
Trimaris       0     979
West         336    2193
------------------------
Total        604   21851

Other totals...
	Sustaining:  15038
	Contributing:  213
	Patron:         43
	Associate:    5953

	BOD Minutes:   901

Does anyone know, off hand, *where* the foreign member of Atlantia
lives?

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Decentralization--what we can do
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:02:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw5746.EC7
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct14.221554.6650@midway.uchicago.edu> ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>On the general subject of decentralization ...  .
>
>It seems clear that the board is moving, slowly but steadily, in the
>direction of claiming that the Society (the game that lots of us are
>playing) is the property of the Corporation, and that the Corporation
>can and should restrict access to the Society as a way of increasing
>its ability to sell memberships. For those of us who think this is a
>bad idea, there are two obvious responses. One is to try to persuade
>the board to reverse its course. I would like to discuss the other.

Much good stuff deleted....

I would be in favor of getting the BoD to reverse its course. I fear
that without some sort of central organization the S.C.A. will fragment
and fragment again until its' separate parts are weak and unrecognizable
as the S.C.A. I know.
	I get the sense that people feel that the BoD is unresponsive to
their wishes. How might we get them to change.

Lothar
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Handicapping Crown List
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:14:34 GMT

In article <Bw0xxr.6CD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) writes:

>	My question is how WOULD you go about predicting the odds on a
>given fighter in a tourney (for recreational purposes only ;}). I'm sure
>that somebody has done it before.

Once upon a time, Grimwulf the Hairy set about keeping a book on every
fighter in Ealdormere.  He recorded the details of every fight in the
area (including, I think, Ice Dragon, which is o'er the border), and before
a fight, you could go over and ask Grimmy how your opponent had won and lost
his last five fights, things like that.  Based on a good records base like
that it would be possible to handicap with some facility.

Crown Tournament is a complex set of variables, though.  It involves a
large number of fights, fought in increasingly rapid succession, and in
the Middle (home of Thos. W. Barnes) there are certain strictures on the
finals which would make a single person's chances very difficult to
predict.  Example:  How many potential finalists in the Middle fight enough
bouts with sword and shield to create a useful statistical universe for
calculating the odds of the one bout of the finals which (if necessary)
must be fought with swords and shields?  Some, yes, many no.

You could do it without handicapping, though.  Just start giving odds
and see how the market takes it ...

Or you could base it on weight.  How many of the last 10 kings of the
Middle have weighed _less_ than 200 pounds?

Cheers
Aryk "I know nothing about statistics" Nusbacher
From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Baronial election in the East Kingdom
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:21:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The Baron of Nordmark stepped down last Saturday and the Baroness is
talking about stepping down too. I and Master Wiliam de Corbie differ on
the interpretation on the East Kingdom Law on how a replacement should be
selected. Is there anyone well versed in the East Kingdom Laws out there
who can explain this?

Law VI.G.1: "The title of Terirtorial Baron/ess shall be awarded by the
Crown upon petition by the members of the Barony."

VI.G.1 has relevant sub clauses (a-c). A is about the selection of the
first baron/ess. C about how a Barony may chose a co-ruling baroness or
baron together with an existing baron or baroness. Neither of these are
really relevant. sub-clause B reads "When a barony is left without a ruling
baron/ess, the procedure below must be followed: ...".

My and William's argument is weather a successor may be chosen before the
current baroness steps down, and if we may follow a procedure different
from that in VI.G.1.b? On one hand the laws doesn't explicitly forbid such
a thing and VI.G.1.b only defines a procedure to be used when we have no
ruling baron/ess, but on the other hand it appears that the writer of the
law intended subclauses a-c to be exhaustive, one of those procedures
should always be followed when selecting a landed baron/ess, and the only
one that's posibbly relevant is sub clause b.

I (and William, I guess) would appreciate any comments that can give
insight in the interpretation of this law.
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