From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 2 Jan 1993 18:26:51 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan1.212401.258@mtu.edu> barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera) writes:
>: >police).  Why do you think that only you have the right to speak
>: >freely and others don't ?  Don't they have the right to say, "let's all be
>: >nice and not upset each other" ? 
>: 
>

>Everyone has the right to say whatever they wish. 

That was what I meant.

>If that person chooses
>not to be "nice" that is that person's right. However, that person then
>should then realize he or she is responsible for his/her own loss of
>credibility. If a person chooses to piss people off, let that person be
>responsibile for his/her own doom. 

Well said !!!
As I said, the USENET guide lines explain in two aspects :
1) for the whole net
2) for the person him/herself.

>: >How this can be achieved has been already studied by many other smart
>: >net people who have many experiences with people like you, and
>: >the result is informally called, as you already know, Nettiquette.
>
>Merely guidelines that have been shown to be effective in communicating
>nicely. As I said, if one chooses not to follow them, that person is
>responsible for others dislike of him/her.

This is very true.
One thing I would like to pointed out was that Freedom of Speech is 
different from the Manners.  I hate to see some that people with bad 
manners say 'this is freedom of speech' pretending that they are
advocators of freedom.  Expressing anger in bad way is not any sort of
freedom of speech.

As I said, nothing prevents one from flaming others by insulting them or
by saying bad words.  But this should not be rationalized by
Freedom of Speech.  Rather, it should be avoided since later follow-ups
which are usually the revenge of the flame and insult, and revenges to
the revenge, is not useful to anybody.
And for themselves also, as you said (and as guide lines say),
since they are losing their credibility to the public.


>: >It is not an absolute rule set which suppresses your freedom of speech.
>: >It is rather a guide on how not to trepass on others' rights and
>: >how to resolve when your freedom and other's freedom  conflict.
>: 
>Again, you have the right to not enter into this public forum. You may not
>claim a "Right to not be bothered" here. If you find yourself constantly
>bothered on enteringthis forum and do not choose to exercise your options
>of using "kill files" and simply skipping articles,then you should exercise
>your right to not enter this forum again.

I believe that I explained about this in the next follow-up article that 
you just replied to.  I explained there why it is not just a matter of 
typing n or k or managing KILL files.
I would like to listen to your opinions regarding on this also.

>
>-chris barrera    barrera@mtu.edu   gorim@irc :-)
>
>

I never needed to manage KILL files for other newsgroups.
I do need a local KILL file for this this newsgroup.
Maybe this is a common situation for most  soc.culture.* ?


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