From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:13:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct29.144628.17786@tc.cornell.edu>, on 29 Oct 1992 14:46:28 GMT,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>
>In article <19921028232740ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>I certainly don't have to document my credentials in fighting
>>homophobia to the likes of you.
>
>Nor do you need to document your credentials in promoting it.
>That much is perfectly evident from your own writings.  'Splain
>to us again, why don't you, why calling someone a "totalitarian
>Tinkerbell of the left" isn't homophobic.  I'll sell tickets.
>
If you sell tickets, I would expect a share of the gate. However, the
remark is not homophobic because I am not homophobic. Simple as that.

>>The more you prattle on, the more you show just how politically ignorant
>>and unsophisticated you really are.  Right-wing conservatives do not
>>call for an end to the War on Drugs, agricultural subsidies, and travel
>>and trade bans against Cuba. Nor do they support rights of gays and
>>lesbians to adopt children and to serve in the military.
>
>That simply isn't true.  Traditional conservatives tend to
>do just that.  Barry Goldwater is probably the best example
>of traditional conservatism, but you'd do well to look at
>Buckley and others, also.
>
Goldwater is actually a proto-libertarian rather than a conservative.
Buckley is a conservative who just happens to be practical on some
issues such as the War on Drugs. I would have given Goldwater full marks
as a libertarian, except that he believed (believes?) that the U.S. had
a mission to save the world from the scourge of Communism. Libertarians
insist that our national defense be used for just that and that we
refrain from playing traffic cop of the world.

I think you do miss the essence of conservativism. Political
conservatives desire to maintain the existing order. They favor
traditional views and values and they tend to oppose change. Although
you can find individual conservatives exceptions on an occasional point,
they do not tend to hold the views of mine that I outlined above.

>If you really believe that judicial activism,
>government intervention in interpersonal relationships, and
>violations of constitutional law have anything to do with
>traditional conservatism, why, then, you must be the dimwit
>who's been posting all that ill-informed hogwash to
>soc.motss.
>
Nope. Not I. I never post hogwash anywhere.

>>>Jack, you are too lame
>>>for words.
>
>>Sigh! More empty promises.
>
>Not a promise.  An observation.  (Now, Jack - how many
>sounds are there in the English language?)

Looks like you didn't get it, Melinda. For someone too lame for words
you nevertheless expended a bundleful on me.
>--
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>
    =Jack=

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