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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Dr. J dunk
Keywords: Dr. J
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.151859.22032@alw.nih.gov> mchavez@helix.nih.gov (Mark D. Chavez) writes:
>>>In <16811BD55.PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu writes:
>>>
>>>>Bob Beamon's world record was broken ten years earlier than anyone had
>>>>suspected.  BTW, nothing against the Doc (who was surely one of the greats),
>>>>but _anything_ he could do, Jordan could do better.
>>>
>
>Doug Collins on TNT stated that Dr. J could dunk the basketball from a 
>standing start **out of bounds** from behind the backboard.  When he was
>coach of the, correction, Da Bulls, he asked Jordan if he could do it.
>Chalk one up for Dr. J.  He did some truly amazing feats in the ABA which
>went unnoticed for the most part.

I'd say the Doctor could do more.  He didn't fly as often as Jordan, nor
was he as creative, but as for physical skills, who could match him?  Not
only did he have that vertical, but he had what Jordan doesn't, those
incredibly long arms.  I think that famous footage of when he soared from
behind the backboard and layed it up on Kareem is unequaled.

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From: vince@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Vince Stanton)
Subject: DT too good!
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:30:42 GMT

		So, we have all seen just how good the dream team really is.
I always thought all of you keen NBA fans enjoyed a bit of decent
competition?  Well, yes the DT is the greatest gathering of technical
exponents of the sport of basketball ever seen, but just where is the
enjoyment in seeing them thrash all opposition?

		I think enough has been said of Mr c.barkley....Tell me, Where
does the 'Sir Charles' come from?  He really should be called Chuck,
because that's what I feel like doing every time I see his on-court
childish, unsportsman-like antics.  He really does behaves like a spoilt
child. 

		So, anyway, I for one began enjoying the DT's performance, but
it's becoming a bit ordinary, and I'm not really looking foward to the
final, because it won't be a thriller, which is what it has always
been in the past.  Allowing the pros into this olympic sport, has
simply made it too one-sided to be enjoable.

		Simply the opinion of one disillusioned fan.


-- 
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BHP Information Technology,     |  Same as the old Boss."
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Stockton
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:47:03 GMT
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah

In article <Bs7uCr.Hxw@andy.bgsu.edu> koswatta@andy.bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:

>In article <Bs7tDE.H9y@andy.bgsu.edu> koswatta@andy.bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul30.131938.24646@nuscc.nus.sg> med50005@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:
>>
>>The best article I have seen in months.  You're absolutely right.
>>There's nothing to say about Stockton.
>>-- 
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Let me take it back. There's something to say about him.
>Just because one fat-fart in Utah decided on behalf of
>USA to let him have a gold, THE BEST TEAM played one game
>without a true PG.

	What the hell does this mean? He'll be back, and he'll play his ass 
off too. You can't deny he's among the best couple of PG's still playing in 
the NBA, can you?
	Who's the "fat-fart?"

Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:00:00 GMT

In article <1643@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
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   Date: 23 Jul 92 21:18:28 GMT
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   In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com () writes:
   >
   >My feeling on the subject is: If you don't want it, don't buy it.
   >And quit whining about it. TV isn't some inalienable right which 
   >everyone is entitled to for free, it's a business whose purpose is
   >to make money. Even if the idea of PPV is assinine.
   >
   >
   >
   >-- nik gupte

   The business of TV is to serve the public interest. That's the fundamentals of
   the FCC that issues and reviews TV licenses of all over-the-air broadcasters.

The same lousey coverage that you are all used to,
is there.  Loads of bad coverage and interviews with
the athlete's mothers.  If you want to complain then
it should be about the abismal coverage on not-so-free
TV. 

The FCC has long ago abdicated its role to serve in
the public interest.  Commercial TV sucks eggs.  We 
could outlaw the networks and replace it all with
taxpayer funded public TV.  Or maybe a lot more PPV
which will allow individuals to decide what they want
to pay for.

I paid for the triple-cast and am enjoying decent coverage ---
I wopuld like some more events --- canoeing, archery, fencing,
... but you can't have everything.


ah
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:31:19 GMT

wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>I may be confused, but I thought this was the World *University* Games team
>for 1986.

Yes, you are.  Dazed and confused.

It was the World Cup or World Champiosnhip or whatever.  If you had looked
closely you'd have seen that the USSR team featured Sabonis, Marciulionis,
Volkov, etc.


--Gidi

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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Subject: Re: USA/Croatia time ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:21:57 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.165850.2265@julian.uwo.ca>, warren@julian.uwo.ca (A Warren Pratten) writes:

In article <l77tahINNqp@cronkite>, andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
|> Anyone know the time of the next game ?  It would be nice to see
|> if MJ & Pippen can school Toni Kokuc,  which I am certain they will
|> try.

I believe it is being broadcast at 7:30 pm (EST) on CTV in Canada.  I don't
think the game is available on the regular NBC (maybe Triple-cast).

Last night the very believable Bob Costas said that the game would be on at
7:30 pm (EDT) on regular NBC.

Richard

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:59:48 GMT

In article <150r2hINNfgo@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.053008.18505@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:
>|    I had my first look at the Dream Team last night and... man...
>|2. I don't know if Barkley should be in the DT now.  He elbowed someone 
>|after he made a layup.  Totally unnecessary.  (and it's only a
>|play-around Olympic game too)
>
>Oh, please!  Barkley barely hit the guy!  Charles was smiling the whole time
>and obviously elbowed the guy as a sort of joke.  Kind of like telling him that
>he should of at least fouled Barkley hard instead of giving him the easy 
>break away dunk.  Besides, we can't take Sir Charles of the squad until he
>makes that off the backboard dunk!

Last week a friend of mine at work said, 'I know Barkley is the best PF in 
the game, but I'm not so sure he should be representing our country.  He's 
going to do something to make us look bad...'

Well, in the first half of the Angola v USA game, we get two examples of
poor sportsmanship from him.  Don't get me wrong, I like Barkley and agree
that he is the best PF (IMHO) in the game.  I realize what his attitude and
style of play are, but I disagree with him making an ass of the U.S. by
pushing/elbowing other players.

Before he elbowed the Angola player, he pushed another player after being 
fouled on a missed ORB put-back.  As soon as he did it, Drexler went over 
and said something to the Angola player (Thank God!).

As for his elbow, you must not have been watching too closely.  Sure he
was smiling after he blew by the player for an easy layup, but he promptly
dropped the grin and gave a pretty hard elbow (pushed him back a couple of
feet) to the player he dusted.

Some kind of joke?  Funny if you're winning, but probably not to a player
who is on the bad end of a 31-0 run.

>Actually, I found it refreshing to hear Barkley say "They are in trouble"
>after listening to Jordan and Malone trying to be diplomatic.

I don't mind his comments, just his *ssh*le plays on the court.

Barkley is the same size as the LARGEST Angola player, and he feels that he 
needs to push them around to let them know where their place is?  Give me
a break...

>One more thing, the stupidest coaching move in the game had to be when the
>Angola coach made comments about how NBA players don't play defense!
>Why not say that they don't know how to foul hard next time...

That was a pretty bad move.  I guess they were asking for the 41-1 run...

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From: wakankar@foxtrot.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar)
Subject: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:06:34 GMT

Thanksto everybody who replied to my request for NBA/ABA teams that moved from one city to another. 

Here is a compiled list of ABA teams that moved from one city to another. I will post a list of NBAteams later.


Anaheim Amigos  --> LA  Stars -->Utah Stars
Houston  Mavericks -->Carolina Cougars -->Dallas Mavericks
Denver Rockets --> Houston Rockets
Minnesota  Muskies --> Miami  Floridians
New Jersey americans -->New York Nets
Oakland Oaks -->Washington capitols --> Virginia squires

Pittsburgh Pipers --> Minnesota Pipers --> Pittsburgh Condors
New Orleans Bucs -->Memphis Sounds
Dallas Chapparals --> San Anonio Spurs
San Diego Conquistadores --> San Diego sails (This team didn't move but changed name)
Carolina  Cougars -->Spirit of St. Louis

Only two teams remained where they were all the time

Indiana Pacers and    Kentucky colonels.


I would like to know if I should post NBA teams. If all this is in FAQ I would not post it.


Thanks


Parag
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:02:59 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, nsg@tarsus.austin.ibm.com writes:
> 
> The actual number of Olympic TripleCasts sold by NBC/CableVision
> as of July 13 is ... in the range of 50,000 - 60,000 according to
> an independant study. I think the 5,000 number which has been
> ruthlessly kicked around for the last month was someones' attempt
> at sarcasm towards the idea of PPV.


	The 5,000 subscriber number came from a Wall Street Journal article
from about a month ago. Clearly the information is outdated, but it was accurate
at the time. 

-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Marlboro, MA
!
!	Many things in life are not fair. Matt Young having to pitch to
!	Cecil Fielder with the bases loaded, is a perfect example! 
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.155028.5005@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:
>
>Yesterday the Rocky Mountain Review started.  The Rocky Mountain
>Review is held in Salt Lake City, and this year runs from July 20-30.

 [...]

>I have the team rosters, schedule of games, and stats from the first
>3 games last night.  I will also be working at the games all week.  If
>there is an interest I will post stats ect, but if nobody cares, I
>don't want to waste my time typing them in.

     Thanks for the interesting report.  My vote is:  keep the reports
coming, but don't bother with the stats!  I.e., tell us who's doing
unusually well or who's doing unusually poorly.  Or who showed up in
an unexpected role, like Paul Pressey.  That would be "news we can use." 
E.g. I don't think I want to know the names of every single player 
playing for every single team.  But if there's some unexpected name,
or unexpectedly missing name, then that's worth reporting.  
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From: rasdald@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:53:29 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

>
>	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
>	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
>	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:
>
>	Billy Owens, Syracuse
>	Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
>	Christian Laettner, Duke
>	Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
>	Todd Day, Arkansas
>	Lee Mayberry, Arkansas
>	Walt Williams, Maryland
>	Charles Smith, Georgetown
>	Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Miss
>	Chris Gatling, Old Dominion
>	Mark Randall, Kansas
>	Doug Smith, Missouri
>	Bryant Stith, Virginia
>	Bobby Hurley, Duke

All the were very young and they had little practice playing with each other.  
That will yeild bad results.  Only Hurley and Laettner,  Mourning and C. Smith,
and   Day and Mayburry had played with each other for a long period of time.
The players were also not developed in all there basketball skills as they 
are now, too!

What ever happended to Gatling from Old Dominion??  At one time he was the 
highest ranked center, then he dropped down to second in the college rankings 
by position for the rest of the year.



Dow Rasdall
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Jul23.144931.6476
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.183534.22099@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.142138.27108@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>The only thing I see is that you read the middle statement in such a way
>>as to give the sentence a contradictory meaning, which was not what was
>> stated.
>Hey, if you give a contradictory statement, it's not my fault for me to
>read it that way.

   but it is your fault for making such a big stupid issue out of it.  its
   like when we first were going through your stuff we were giving you the
   benefit of the doubt - that you would be making a good argument.  as it
   proceeded, we were taken away from the road of good argument into the
   inescapable conclusion that "oh no - he really does want to make his
   argument rest on this silly childish issue of technicality".
>
>>>"So in your context, since over the last few years, you can name as many
>>>as 2 3pt incidences, that is proof enough for you that the league is in
>>>the Celtics pocket and the refs give the Celtics all the calls".
>>> Admission of the 2 3-ptrs as calls the refs gave.

>...[]the 2 3pt incidents are proof enough as calls the ref gave the Celtics.
>Not accusing you of admitting bogus calls either, just "calls the ref gave".
>
>                                          Edward Lor

now who is the blind bat here?  he is only talking about your beliefs here.

Dave's wording of the Premise held by Ed Lor - "the league is in the Celtics
pocket and the refs give the Celtics all the calls"

Dave's wording of the Sufficient Proof Ed needs for his premise - "Ed can
name 2 incidents as calls he thinks are bogus."
^^^^
why dont you instead say "i never said the refs give the celts ALL the calls"?
if you fail to say this, then can we presume that you do thinks its ALL?

why dont you instead say "it wasnt 2, it was 7 and could be even more if we
add in bogus fouls"?  if you fail to object to 2 here, can we assume that
the other 5 are now no longer in your list, making your score 2-2?

seems like you missed out on an opportunity, Ed.  you're not even doing a
good job of nitpicking apart dave's wordings, sifting through them to catch
a stumble.

nate, making mistakes as well, BUT:
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:18:53 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: parker

In article <4140@news.duke.edu>, radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.142503.6587@ll.mit.edu>, nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>In article <1tT-YV_@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>>this thread appeared a while back.  a kid asked some player (Kevin Willis??)
> 
> Rony Seikaly, I believe.  This was a couple of years ago, before Seikaly
> become the solid performer that he is today, so it was certainly deflating!
> 
> --Rob Clough

Test of reply. Sorry for inconvenience. New to list.

Bob Strauss
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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:26:19 GMT

Team USA beat Croatia 102:70, the narrowest margin so far for the
dream team.  And the game may be closer than the final score showed,
IMHO. Best players on the USA side: MJ and Barkley. MJ had 21 points
playing for most of the time at PG position, Barkley added 20 points
with many great plays. CL had 9 points.  Magic left the game early in
the first half because of some injury on his knee.  Pippen and MJ held
Toni Kukoc at 4 points with 2 for 11 field goal/attempts -- clearly
sending him a message -- but Kukoc had some sensational passes though.
Seems he always thought about pass first.  Petrovic had 17 points (I
believe), 15 in the first half.  Radja (sp?)  played very
impressively.  Malone was almost invisible today.  The Glide had a
couple of beautiful dunks plus a 18 footer.  Mullin had an off day, so
did Ewing.  Pippen was terrible on offensive side, but did a
reseanable job on the defensive end.  Robinson played pretty good D.
In the after game press conference, MJ criticized some team USA
players for not playing up to what they have learned to play without
mentioning the names.

That's all I can think of.  Have a nice day.

harry
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Speaking of Barkley........
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:02:19 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

Last night I saw a Nike ad featuring Sir Charles about to square off
one on one against Godzilla. No, I was not on mushrooms. The ad
promised that something would be happening starting Sept. 9.
Anyone know what this is all about?

	B.S.
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT vs. Kukoc
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:17:10 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Jul30.135104.57594@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>What I saw of Kukoc was a raw player, who due to his raw skills alone was
>able to garner praise from the European players, who are way behind when it
>comes to players his size with his touch.  However, I think he is very raw.
>I don't think he is that close to being able to play in the NBA, yet...  
>At 6'10 or so, he has good mobility, but is a little soft.  He has good 
>hands and good vision, but his shot looked suspect.  His defense was also
>pretty poor, he didn't move his feet.  But, he has the skills that could
>help him make it.  However, 3 million/year, and he rejected it???  He may
>be worth $500,000, but he is a project player at best.  Playing in Europe
>makes him look better than he really is.  He apparantly hasn't played all that
>great in the tournament so far, even against the other teams.  He fouled out
>in Croatia's first game with little contribution.

I don't have *any* idea how much Kukoc is worth, nor do I envy Krause for
having to pick the $$$ amount to sign Kukoc.  Kukoc hasn't really looked
that stellar in the Olympics, but he seems to have pretty good ball handling
and excellent passing skills (and NOT just for a 6'10" player).  No one is
saying he will be the next MJ (pick one) or will dominate in the NBA, just
that he's the best outside the NBA, which means that he is great on some 
level but possibly not on the NBA level.  

As for the $3mil offer, I don't think that Krause is saying he is *worth* 
3 million, just that it will take $3mil to get him off the Italian team and 
into the NBA.  If the Bulls offered you $500,000 and Italy offered $3mil, 
where would you go?

>As for Pippen looking horrible???  What game were you watching???  He dominated
>Kukoc, while scoring very well himself, and getting about 10 assists.  
>Pippen looked worth his pay, Kukoc didn't. 

Agreed.  I think Pippen has earned every penny and am glad that the Bulls
finally treated him appropriately.  It was really pissing me off when Krause
was ignoring Pippen in order to court Kukoc.

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