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From: james.kelley@rose.com (james kelley)
Subject: INTERNET IN JAPAN
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:40:57 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-03-93 03:37
A Happy New Year to ALL

I have a friend who studying in Japan for the next year.  He has his
laptop and a modem with him and want to E-mail me here in Canada.  He
is not at a university so that route is out of the question

Question: Are there any public access internet nodes?  Does Japan
telecom allow BBSs access to internet?  Are there any BBSs with
internet access availiable in Japan?  We know about compuserve but the
money they charge is unreasonable for simple internet access: any
suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.  

              Please e-mail me at james.kelley@rose.com

              and thank you ...

                                James Kelley
                                Toronto, Ontario, Canada,
				Earth, Sol, Milkyway Galaxy.

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From: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: STUCK IN TOKYO
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:34:39 GMT
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp
In-reply-to: George_Taylor@mindlink.bc.ca's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:10:45 GMT

In article <18783@mindlink.bc.ca> George_Taylor@mindlink.bc.ca (George Taylor) writes:

>I am flying to Narita from Vancouver B.C. Canada on Dec 29th pprobably
>arriving in Tokyo on the 30th (I know, bad timing) However it was not my
>intention to stay in Tokyo, but I cant get a connecting flight out to Mani
>lla until Jan 3rd) Over the last while I have been reading this net. 
>There is
>no way I can afford to stay in Tokyo because it seems prohibitively expensive
>I have thought about the Youth Hostel but will it be open over the holiday
>period ? 

The youth hostel seems like a good idea. 
Maybe anybody could post the address of YH in Tokyo.
If they are closed, you always can stay in a Capsule Hotel.
Plenty of them in Tokyo, and I am almost sure they don't close.
About Y3,500.

For eating, you can try the "All-you-can-eat" places (there was a list
in fj.life-in-japan, but i haven't it) or "lunch set", which should
be about Y1,000.
There are also McDonalds :)

>Will most shops and stuff be closed for this period. Is there a way
>not to spend a lot of money while I am ther for a short period of time. 

Most of the shops will be closed on the 1st, but I think big stores
will open from the second of January.

>Are the Japanese really as racist as this net makes them out to be ?

If you are only staying for a few days, this shouldn't worry you.
In Tokyo is easy to find japanese peolpe who speaks some english and
who will help you with the trains and similar stuff.

If you have access to fj.*, try fj.life-in-japan.

Hope that this helps
Manuel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Days of the Week in Japanese and Korean
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:14:29 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company


Sorry to disagree, but the way I was taught:
Monday = Moon-day
Tuesday = Zeus-day
Wednesday = Odin's-day (Norse equiv of Saturn and Zeus)
Thursday = Thor's-day (Thor was/is Odin and Freya's son)
Friday = Freya's-day (Queen of the Norse Gods)
Saturday = Saturn's-day
I welcome any corrections...
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: brainwashed
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:23:10 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <BzwC06.8rM@CAM.ORG>, cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung) writes:
=> 
=> Dear all,
=> 
=> First of all, I am not Japanese.  It was the American article called
=> "sexism in Japan" that sparked me to search more info about this country.
=> 
=> I have posted several articles regarding to the "sexism" in Japan as well
=> as following to the articles posted in soc.culture.japan.
=> 
=> Today, I can come up with a final conclusion of how REAL Japanese are:
=> 
=> 1. They are extremely narrow-minded in terms of racial, sexual, linguistic
=> issues.

Apparently they are not the only ones.

=> 2. Their "social" mentality is at least 20-30 years behind North America

As if all North Amercian aspects of social mentality are good or
desirable.

=> 3. They have been EXTREMELY "damaged" by the evil act of their own
=> TRADITION of  "brainwashing". 

Brainwashing comes in all forms, and your comments make me wonder
about your form of brainwashing, rather than the Japanese form,
which I am well aware of.

=> 4. HOPE?--> ONLY now that telecommunication has brought them "somewhat"
=> closer to the rest of the world.

Hope they don't make the same mistakes we did.

=> THE JAPANESE TRADITION HAS MADE ME VERY ANGRY, SAD, AND FRUSTRATED FOR FEW
=> DAYS AND I AM EXTREMELY LUCKY THAT I AM "NOT" PART OF THIS CULTURE.

Maybe they are the lucky ones... :-)

Rebecca Radnor has some words of wisdom about this subject, and I
won't add much to that, except to say that putting your own standards
on superficial phenomena without understanding the background of
cultural issues makes you look foolish. Japanese women aren't
stupid, you know, and personally I'm sad and frustrated with
American feminists who assume that all who might desire a life
or have a philosophy different from them are somehow backward or
Neanderthal, and assume that "feminism" by their form is
automatically transferable to another culture by the same
means and toward the same ends as they would espouse. It's
another form of cultural elitism that is no different than 
the "brainwashed" cultural elitism they denigrate in the
Japanese.

There is much institutionalized sexism in Japan, it's true. But
those things don't represent the sum total of women's life there.

- Bill Lambert



Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:34:37 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?
	<1992Dec28.154503.872@island.COM>

Mr. DSternlight wrote:

.

>>Though Aki is correct to point out that America has problems of its own,
>>that he should dismiss the long list of legitimate complains against
>>unfair and even illegal Japanese practices in the economics, trade,
>>and investment area as Japan bashing is appalling, particularly
>>coming from someone writing from the World Bank, where they
>>know better.

The world bank is nothing more than a store that houses the material
representations of greed, broken dreams, and the lusts of power. Nothing
is free! There are conditions! I can make the methods of this
institution to fall
in a matter of a couple of days. About three! But, I know the desire of
man's search to be stupidified. I guess that the more stupid the man is
the more power s/he feels.
From: zpy@lpf.umd.edu (Zhiping You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: University of Maryland Open Go Championship
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:03:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


		Tournament Annoncement

	University of Maryland Open Go Championship

  This is the third Open Go Championship organized by the University
of Maryland Go Club. The first two tournaments (which were in Jan. of
1990 and 1991) were very successful. We had about 50 players at each
tournament and we expect more to come this year. The tournament is AGA
rated. 

Format:

  Five round tournament,  open to all players.
  Time limit: 1 hour per player and 20 moves in 5 minutes for overtime.

Schedule:

  Sat. Jan. 9th  9:30 - 10:00 Registration
  Sat. Jan. 9th  10:30 First Round
  Sun. Jan. 10th 12:00 Fourth Round

Place: 

  University of Maryland College Park Campus
  Tortugal Room (inside Stamp Student Union)

Tournament Fee: $20.
  
Contact Person: 

  Gang Li   (301)422-2659
  Gang Chen (301)209-0057 gchen@math.umd.edu

Direction: 
  
  Take I-95, get on the Washington Beltway (part of which is still
called I95), exit at U.S. Route 1 (exit No. 25.), take south along
Route 1. After a couple of miles you will see a Jerry's Pizza on you
right. Cross a small bridge after Jerry's Pizza, make a right into the
campus (east entrance). Follow that road, you will see a sign for
public parking. Ask any person for Stamp Union.





-- 
Zhiping You
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rainbow@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Hammond)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:36:08 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Dec21.220326.21127@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
>I think that Japanese citizens are expected to save for their retirement
>rather than "let the gummit do it for them". 
>
>The US would have an enviable savings rate if the 15.2+% of salary taken
>for social security (employee+employer comptribution) were directed to 
>individual savings accounts.
>                                        rob b.
---------------------------------------
Having just got off the phone with a client who lived in Japan
and taught English for twelve years, I know the Japanese have
social security. Don't be silly. What really would be silly is
wandering around seeing all the old people that you'll be in
forty years starving in the streets because Americans won't save
and don't save because they can't save. If tomorrow all the
social security was no longer taken out of your pockets prices
would soar to absorb your new-found wealth at exactly the same
rate of increased prices. In this country, 1/3 have no savings,
the middle third have about enough to weather a two month layoff,
and only the top third can afford to own a home, and most of them
can only after paying three times what it was worth all their
life to the bank, or else they are in the rich top ten percent
which we should be taxing down to their subcutaneous fat.
-RSW

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:54:59 GMT

yoshi@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com (Kazuo Yoshizaki) writes:

>Reading all these postings, I remembered the similar incident happened in 1989 
>when Notre Dame and the University of Miami came to play in the Mirage Bowl
>football game. (Jim Kelly was the QB.)
>It was reported in the newspaper that someone from U of M stole a Gold bracelet
>from a jewellry shop in the hotel they stayed. The bracelet was later returned
>with an apology from the University president.
>Considering that they came from a country of burglary protections, detectors
>and sensors,I wonder they shoplifted because we have poor protections and they 
>just wanted to see what would happen.

I am sure to get flamed for this...

One of the areas in which the American university system fails is in the 
education of their sports teams.  The cult of sports is so strong that the
academic standard and performance of the players is not considered. Young
men (almost always men) who are not qualified academically , even being 
sometimes illiterate , are given scholarships and sometimes bribes to play
in the team. These men are truly exploited by the system. Very little effort
is made to educate them or prepare them for the real world. Thus often the
only worlds that they know are the sports field and the inner city streets.
Note,they may have come from a rural environment, although that is less likely.
The attitude propagated in the locker room becomes a corrupting influence
even on the persons who only associate with these "stars". One only has to
note that a large minority (greater than 20 , less than ???) of the marching
band that was the cause of the trouble in Akihabara were not school attendees
but paid performers. The purpose of this behavior is to solicit funds from the
school supporters. The example to the players and students then is that
cheating and bribery in the pursuit of money is acceptable behavior, and this
example is foisted upon youths whose education and background have left
particularly vulnerable.

Charlie

P.S. There are many fine athletes with outstanding educations and standards.
There are even sports programs that are not corrupt, but I would argue that
all of the big money football and basketball progams are corrupt to some
degree.
-- 
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*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@koneko.shr.dec.com		    *
*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Graft/Miyazawa
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.015320.12650@lclark.edu> degraw@lclark.edu (David Degraw)
writes:
>
>Mistake One:
>       I incorrectly wrote that the Sagawa scandal involved p.m. Miyazawa.
>Correction:
>       Ex-p.m. Takeshita Noboru's name should be replaced where Miyazawa's
>       appears.  However, Miyazawa's involvement with the scandal can be
>       made on the grounds of complicity.  The LDP are "sitting on their
>       hands" about this issue.  Furthermore, p.m. Miyazawa's ascension to
>       the prime ministership was largely engineered by the Takeshita
>       faction whose chief members were Kanemaru,Takeshita,and Ozawa.
>       Kanemaru has taken responsibility for the Sagawa scandal by
>       resigning.  Takeshita has been a little more zuzushii(tenacious)
>       and reamins in a responsible position of influence and power in
>       Japanese politics.  BTW, the chairperson of the opposition JSP
>       (Japan Socialist Party) has also resigned his post at the public
>       failure of his interrogations at the Sagawa scandal hearings.
>
>Mistake Two:
>       I noted that ex-p.m. Uno's secretary had committed suicide for
>       Uno's sex scandal.
>Correction:
>       Uno's illicit sexual activities were made public, but his secretary

trivial correction: none of that was illicit.

>       did not commit suicide.  ex-p.m. Takeshita's scandal involving
>       insider information from Recruit Co. had caused his secretary to
>       'take responsibility' by committing suicide.
 
Trivia: Takeshita's secretary "committed suicide" by a) stripping naked b)
slashing himself with a razor over 100 times and then c) hanging himself. (Now
THAT'S determination!). Official cause of death: "loss of blood". By sheerest
coincidence he was the only person who could have cleared Takeshita's good
name (or, of course, finally pinned the blame on Takeshita). He left a suicide
note which was not released to the public (ie, even the man's family), except
for the small extract taking full responsibility for the scandal. His wife
cried 'coverup', but that was obviously grief speaking.
 
>Trivia:
>       Two of Tanaka's secretaries committed suicide in the aftermath of
>       the Lockheed scandal.
 
One of them did so by jumping through a closed window on (I believe) the 20th
floor.
 
Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally deficient, weak
willed, inconsequential, namby pamby tool of some vaguely defined conspiracy, 
or b) my wife.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Graft/Miyazawa
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:05:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.192337.11773@polaris.utu.fi> Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.095901.1959@lclark.edu> David Degraw,
>degraw@sun.lclark.edu writes:
>>	"Are Japanese politicians inherently corrupt?"
>>	"Is there such a thing as an incorruptible Japanese politician?"
>>	"Why does Japanese politics corrupt politicians?"
>>	"Does Japanese lobbying corrupt American politicians?"
>>	"Do the Japanese think Americans are easily corruptible?"
>
>Word corruption belongs to the American market-oriented frame of
>reference, where all the contacts should reflect transactional
>efficiency of monetary values.
>
>In systems where non-monetary values mean more the contacts are
>based more on relations instead of separate transactions. I would
>say that in that context there is no corruption, but only behaviour
>which helps to build relations needed.
>
>-olli-

I've been given the impression (from reading, mostly) that, in Japan,
gifts of money are pretty standard practice in a range of relationships,
far more so than is ordinarily the case in the U.S.  (It was while I
was a struggling student that I got my last Chistmas gift-check.  That
was quite some years ago.)

From a sociological history _Tokugawa Religion_ (Robert Bellah), I
get the impression that social position was a commodity even hundreds
of years ago in Japan, though still largely hereditary.

It might be that "non-monetary values" mean more in various circles
in Japan.  That doesn't mean that you can't buy your way into these
circles.  That certainly happens here, as well.  In Japan, there's
just a somewhat different pattern to what's socially acceptable, and 
of how social acceptance works.

I think this is just another case of looking at ourselves in the
fun-house mirror and not recognizing what we see.  People see some
difference in degree, and go sniffing around for cultural absolutes.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Date: 24 Dec 92 23:03:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Ah... racism again. ^_^ Hmmm... about the situation of 'Japanese
only' signs around Yokosuka and the embassies... It IS a form of
discriminization based on your race - if you have blond hair and
blue eyes, you are looked upon disfavorably. BUT! I think in some
ways it is just the easiest way for the owners of these
establishments to avoid past experiences of foreigners acting bloody
rude in their shops. I do NOT mean to flame the military or
government workers (heck, my father is military) but I must admit
that I HAVE seen a lot of base workers misbehaving around the
Yokosuka area. Since Japan is a more or less racially homogeneous
place, they quickly make the leap that "foreign looks like those
guys that had the brawl in here last week, so we won't let 'em in
just to be safe".
	I think that one can get around this by demonstrating some
Japanese ability or dressing nice, or whatever. Actually, I feel
sorry for those people stationed at Yokosuka or wherever who are
very decent people, who want to learn about and live in Japan but
who are harmed by the behavior of others there.
	When confronting a situation that says 'Japanese only' or an
attitude of 'I know you will shoplift, you're foreign', I am not
only saddened that these attitudes exist in Japan, but also
downright FURIOUS at the idiots who go over there and shoplift or
otherwise make trouble, and cause ME to get the punishment of their
actions. A minority of people quickly wrecks things for everyone.
		Maiko
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: brainwashed
Date: 27 Dec 1992 10:15:41 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <BzwC06.8rM@CAM.ORG> cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung) writes:
>
>Dear all,
>
>First of all, I am not Japanese.  It was the American article called
>"sexism in Japan" that sparked me to search more info about this country.
>
>I have posted several articles regarding to the "sexism" in Japan as well
>as following to the articles posted in soc.culture.japan.
>
>Today, I can come up with a final conclusion of how REAL Japanese are:
>
>1. They are extremely narrow-minded in terms of racial, sexual, linguistic
>issues.
>
>2. Their "social" mentality is at least 20-30 years behind North America
>
>3. They have been EXTREMELY "damaged" by the evil act of their own
>TRADITION of  "brainwashing". 
>
>4. HOPE?--> ONLY now that telecommunication has brought them "somewhat"
>closer to the rest of the world.
>
>THE JAPANESE TRADITION HAS MADE ME VERY ANGRY, SAD, AND FRUSTRATED FOR FEW
>DAYS AND I AM EXTREMELY LUCKY THAT I AM "NOT" PART OF THIS CULTURE.
>
>SHIRLEY

THE WORLD IS SO SIMPLE, SHIRLEY!  If you want to convert Japanese women 
towards following American standards of feminism, you will first have to
convince them that life beyond traditional roles is overall better for
themselves and everybody else.  NHK anchorwoman whats-her-face does the
American thang, by being mother of a 4-year-old daughter & evening
newcaster.  But, given Japan's work ethic, the number of hours she has
to put in to her job leaves her with about 4 hours of sleep every night.
Obviously, she is in a lifestyle that very few people can handle.  But,
the reality of kaisha life is meetings at 1AM, overnight stays at the office,
to keep the economic miracle going.  That is the working lifestyle that is
chosen by the majority.  So what is the American answer thus far?  Put
kids in care of nurseries, where they get molested by caretakers.  Generation
of latchkey kids, who fall victim to drugs, AIDS, etc.  And where do 
academically successful kids come from in America?  99%, from strong families.
Of course, there is that superhuman 1%.  But 99% of that 1% still had
someone else who cared for them.  This underlying psychological frailty/
numbness is all too apparent in this 90s rave culture of bodily piercings.
Bush came across sounding too reactionary with his family-values campaign.
But, every success seminar you go to, will talk about these things.  
America can be proud that we are in social thoery 20-30 years ahead of
everyone else.  But, this has not translated into good economic performance,
has it?  Nor does "progress" prevent epidemic crime or racism.  In our 
society, there is so much hate.  Hate between individuals, hate between
groups.  Until people can truly accept one another to strive toward a 
common goal, we can be sure to descend forever.  Otherwise, looks like
integrationist idealism has backfired in a big way.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mason@lion.erg.sri.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: ONE-DOLLAR MANGA FOR SALE
Reply-To: mason@lion.erg.sri.com (Mason Jones)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:27:35 GMT

Well, those folks who are interested in getting some original copies
of the Maruo books which remain in print should give a call over to
Subterranean Records here in San Francisco, (415) 821-5880 and ask for
their mail-order catalog.  Besides their usual punk/industrial/etc
records they distribute, they've also got a lot of Japanese indie
music, Maruo books, and other stuff.

   <===============================================================>
         Mason Jones, temporarily at SRI International, Inc.
            mason@erg.sri.com or better: mason@netcom.com
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