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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:41:57 CST
From: Ed Zawacki [Postmaster] <U17375@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Distribution: rec

I was in China from May-June. Credit Cards are only accepted at large western
style hotels, any of the Bank of China offices, or in *some* of the
Friendship stores ( The one in Beijing accepted them, though  the one in
Harbin did not).

As for currency, you can only buy one kind: the kind for foreigners.
Techincally, that is all you are supposed to use, but in reality that is
impossible. Usually, when you buy something the store will not have any
foreigner money (FEC = Foreign Exchange Certificates) to give you change
and will give you RMB (RenMinBi) in change (the "chinese" money). Some places
(usually smaller stores) will not even accept FEC, although on the other hand
there are others that will be *very* happy to let you make a large purchase
with FEC (there is a black market for FEC and US$ which they use to buy things
at some special places). Thus, you see that it is a no-win situation. You are
not supposed to use RMB, but if you don't have RMB to use then you frequently
cannot buy things. Some things will *require* FEC ...e.g. train tickets, hotel.


Finally, when you are about to leave China, try to spend all of your RMB. It is
not exchangeable for any other currency.

Good Luck
Ed Zawacki
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tne@world.std.com (Thomas N Erickson)
Subject: Re: Paris, France
Keywords: Accommodation?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: w
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:07:59 GMT

janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service) writes:

>My husband, son (15 years) and I will be going to England in
>December to spend Christmas with family.  Early in January we would
>like to take the hovercraft to Calais and go to Paris for a few
>days.  

>If anyone could e-mail some information to me about reasonable hotels on
>the outskirts of Paris, restaurants, transportation etc. I would be
>very greatful.  Also can anyone tell me how far it is to Euro Disney 
>from Paris, and how to get there (public transportation?).

An excellent idea.  There are several economical hotels around Paris (with
the Franc so strong, you may need to qualify 'economical').  The French
tourist board (call Toronto info or the embassy in Ottawa) can mail a
hotel guide to you incl. rates.

You will need to decide whether you want a charming 'old world' hotel in
the city or a modern hotel (most affordable outside of the city).  You
will trade charm for conveniences.

EuroDisney is on the east side of Paris, easily accessible with the RER
commuter train (line A).  The RER can be accessed from several locations
in and around Paris.


Tom Erickson

-- 
Tom Erickson
Alsys
tne@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi)
Subject: INFO about Innsbruck
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:38:25 GMT


Hi there!!! I will probably go during New Year's holidays to Innsbruck and I
would like to have some informations about the city , the places that I must
absolutely see, the party or other during New Year celebrities , the near ski   area and so on. Thanks to everyone who tell me something.

							    NICK
                                                meniconi@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: World Travel
From: connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Connolly Sean)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 20:04:54 GMT
Reply-To: connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com
Organization: GE M&DSO - VF

	I've done a bit a travel over the last 9 years, mainly throughout
Europe and Eastern North America, but it hasn't satiated my need to see more.
This past summer, I spent three months backpacking around what I hadn't seen 
yet of Europe, and I've now seen at least some of almost the entire continent.
(Haven't been to Scandanavia yet, though I traveled with a bunch of them for
a while, Wenche and Eva, where are you?!)  Even three months wasn't enough, 
though, I need more.  While I was packing around, sleeping on train station 
floors, going days at a time without food, walking hours at a time with a pack
that just got heavier with every minute, I met a number of travelers (not 
tourists!) who had been on the road for 6 months to two years.  Almost every 
one of them was Australian, but there were a few others thrown in.  

	If any of you are out there reading this, I would like to get some 
advice on how you did it.  I am considering working here for a couple more 
years, saving every cent I can, then packing off to see as much of the world
as I can for a couple of years.  I survived the summer on about US$24 a day, 
but that would break me over two years, plus airfare.  I have an EC passport, 
so work in Europe is possible and I am ready and willing to do just about any
menial (or even technical) work to get by.  What I would like, if possible, 
is some facts about how you did it:  costs, job recommendations (types of work,
not employer data), the way you handled the actual travel (airfare, train,
etc), vacationing from travel (Sorry the house-sitting job fell through, 
Tami from Sydney).  It would be of great help to fellow traveler who has
(temporarily) set aside his travelling shoes.  
	Thanks,
-- 
Sean Connolly
connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com


P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group?  Not a 
tourist group like this one mostly is ("My husband and I want to go someplace 
exotic for our Honeymoon", "What's Munich like?", "What's a great hotel in 
Switzerland?"), but, instead, a group dedicated to the serious, but poor,
traveller who wants to see the real world "through the back door", not the 
glitzy, touristy one.  Just a stray thought, but I would appreciate feedback.
Hope I don't start a "not another group!" thread with this one, but I at least
think it is a good idea.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:31:48 GMT

jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon) writes:


>In article <sjones.721229094@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

>   >So if I go through Madrid airport, picking up a flight to another city in
>   >Spain, do I have to go through customes in Madrid or wait until I reach my
>   >final destination?  I am confused about this.

>   [....]
>   customs.  If you were, however, going to catch a flight to Manchester
>   from Heathrow you certainly would have to clear customs and
>   immigration.  In a very few cases where the plane continues to a
>   [....]


> However, in Spain, one goes through immigration in the port of entry and
>through customs in the final destination.  Even with change of plane.  
>This means that you don't see your checked-in bags until the end of your
>last leg.

>  I don't know to how many countries this may apply, however.

In France, this is true as well.  When traveling from, say Monytreal to
Nice (MTL to CDG on AIr Canada and then DCG to NCE on Air France), as I did
once, you go through immigration in the Domestic/European AF Terminal
before entering the "Donestic " part of the rotunda, although you go through
customs agt Nice but when I was there there were no customs officers to be
found but an Immagration officer asked to see my passport again and gave it
a thrrough inspection.

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole               "I believe in the future        NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College      there will be no war. Maybe     ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105      not in my lifetime but in    cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388            yours"- Paul Simon         aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: akt@photon.com (Andrea Terry)
Subject: New Mexico info wanted
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:14:48 GMT


oops!!! My mistake - you're right.  Thanks for the help.
From: U17375@uicvm.uic.edu (Ed Zawacki [Postmaster])
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan and China...
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:38:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92314.123829U17375
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

ugh....I forgot to push the name over in my last post and sign my own....it
should  have looked like:

>Barbara Vaughan

Ed Zawacki
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jtwessel@cs.ruu.nl (Han Wessels)
Subject: Re: Car rental advivce (best rates/company) for long trip
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:50:53 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: Help!

In <putz.721326138@beagle> putz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric Putz) writes:

>Taking a trip at the end of the month, and want to rent a car to do
>so. Just wondering if anyone has any advice on which companies are
>generally the least expensive and most trustworthy (i.e. unlimited
>miles *mean* unlimited miles). Leaving from Denver, heading to San
>Fran. Will be for a week.

>Ideas? Specials?

>Thanks!!!

>Eric.
>+---------
>|Eric Putz                    				(303) 492-4535
>|MCD Biology, Campus Box 347, University of Colorado, Boulder CO 80309 
>|putz@Boulder.Colorado.EDU                 

Last spring I rented a car in Chicago for a 2-week trip to Colorado. Unlimited
mileage, cost me $98 PER WEEK! Car was sub-compact, company was Enterprise.

Hope this helps you.

Han Wessels.
From: meesh@cs.umd.edu (Michelle McElvany)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: tv systems in uk and switzerland..
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:42:48 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

i'll be taking some bbc video casettes from london to switzerland -
does anyone know if the tv (or video) systems of these two places
are compatible with each other ? ( i do know that the french system
differs from the others, but are the other systems similar?)

thanks

n.
From: reiter@eagle.ed.ac.uk (Ehud Reiter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: e.reiter@ed.ac.uk (Ehud Reiter)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <1460300129@igc.apc.org> efenster@igc.apc.org (Eric Fenster) writes:
> ...  French train fares used to be strictly based on a per kilometer charge.
> ...  The "yield-management" types were let loose ...
> ... What a way to encourage young people to learn about another country ...

The purpose of `yield management' as practiced by airlines and now increasingly
by railroads is to make businessmen pay high fares while preserving low fares
for tourists, students, etc.  Of course any such system is not perfect, and
there will be howls of anguish when a tourist/student is forced to pay
businessman fares, but I still think this is a better and more equitable
system than flat fares (the justification for it is pure capitalism, charging
customers according to what they are willing to pay, but the effect is actually
a bit socialist, `from each according to what they can give').  Tourist and
student fares are much lower under `yield management' systems than they would
be under flat fare systems, for a given level of subsidy.

Now of course, perhaps the real complaint here is that SNCF should get a
bigger subsidy from the government so that it can charge lower fares.  My
understanding (I could be wrong) is that the TGV lines are unsubsidized and
have to pay their own way; the fact that they seem to be doing so is causing
a revolution in the railroad business - for the first time in decades
significant quantities of new high-quality rail track are being laid in
Europe, and perhaps soon in the US as well(?).  Profitability means better
track, quicker trains, more reliable service, etc,; massive subsidies mean
continued degradation is likely.

In Britain, British Rail goes a lot farther in yield management than SNCF.
The price of a return Edinburgh-London 2nd class train ticket varies from
110 pounds (full fare) to 30 pounds (`SuperAPEX'), with occasional special
promotions (such as the current `Boots' offer) being even cheaper.  This has
helped BR's intercity services to break even (they neither lose nor make (much)
money), while preserving low fares for those who can meet the conditions of
cheap tickets.  I think this is excellent, I just wish BR had some of SNCF's
vision in terms of laying new high-speed train lines ...

								Ehud
--
						Ehud Reiter
						(e.reiter@edinburgh.ac.uk)
From: vogel@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Michael Vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Vacation in Barbados
Keywords: vacation, Barbados
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:53:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA


--
Mike Vogel                           e-mail: Mike.Vogel@Waterloo.NCR.COM
NCR Canada Ltd.                      Tel. (519)884-1710
E&M Waterloo                         FAX (519)884-0610
580 Weber St. N Waterloo, Ontario CANADA
From: mjb7@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MARY J BOWEN)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: DECEMBER TEMPS IN TUCSON, AZ
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:10:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Sure, I can watch the weather channel everyday (and probably will), but: I'll
be in Tucson from December 2 until January 8. What kind of clothing will I
need? Is it cold? Warm? (Surely not hot?!). Snow? Swimming? Any information
will be helpful! Thanks.    mary j.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker)
Subject: DRIVING FROM TORONTO TO FLORIDA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: none
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:50:23 GMT

I would appreciate some advice regarding driving from Toronto to Florida. If
anyone has ever done this drive, I would like to know what route is the fastest.
I am not so much interested in which is the best as far as scenery. Are there
areas I should watch out for (speed traps, poor road conditions, etc.)?

My ultimate destination will either be Orlando or Ft. Lauderdale.

Thanks,
			-- Lynn --

 *****************************************************************************
  Lynn Walker		+ "When you think about it, the whole idea of two guys
  Toronto, Canada	+  making decisions for twenty million people--that's
  walker@ingres.com	+  pretty funny."		-- The Candidate
 *****************************************************************************
From: alpert@cs.bu.edu (Richard Alpert)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Safari Advice Wanted for Kenya and Tanzania
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:50:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


 In article <1992Nov6.173436.24610@sj.nec.com> hans@midway.tdd.sj.nec.com
	(Hans Altenhofen  x3809) writes:
 >I'll be traveling to Kenya this coming Christmas for about 3 weeks.
 >I plan to book a photo safari package after arriving in Kenya.  I would 
 >appreciate any information you have concerning safari companies, safari
 >prices, hotels in Nairobi, and other insightful tips and bits.

Admittedly, it was a long time ago (18 years, just when Addis fell...  I
remember seeing the gaping hole in the side of City Hall), but I spent a 3
week Christmas break in East Africa.  After RESERVING A 4 WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE
AHEAD OF TIME, we camped.  There are camp sites in all of the game parks,
offering a perspective on the wildlife you can get no other way.  (Early New
Year's Day, 1975, I had to "hold it" longer than I thought I was possible
because of the large, male 'felis leo' between our tent and the latrine.)  We
camped in Amboseli, Masai Mara, Arusha, Ngorongoro, Melendi, and Mombasa.

We ate in the lodges, carolled in (for us) summer heat with children on the
beach at Mombasa on Christmas Eve, bought petrol on the black market in
Tanzania, burned dried elephant droppings in our fire New Year's Eve, saw a
herd of elephants retrace their path 500 meters because they forgot about one
of their young, and, in the comfort of our Land Cruiser, watched a pride of
lions dine on a still warm wildebeest 5 meters away.

I recommend traveling on your own, reserving a (4-wheel drive) vehicle in
advance, and purchasing a copy of "A Guide to Kenya and Northern Tanzania" as
soon as you arrive.

Bon Voyage!!

 - Richard Alpert
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Proof of US Citizenship--What besides passport?
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:43:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.014001.19195@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
writes:
> tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn) wrote: 
> ->I don't disagree that a passport is more convenient (in most cases)
> ->but if you have a voter's registration and a driver's license, you
> ->will not have any trouble getting in or out of the Bahamas or back
> ->into the US.
> 
> sorry, tonya, you will need to qualify this: tonya flynn will have no
> trouble travelling between the bahamas and the us with the
> documentation you specify.  customs and immigration officials make
> different demands of different people based on the profile they may
> fit ... if i'm looking more long-haired and less yuppified, i might
> expect to get hassled for better id, and the passport is the best
> kind.
> 
  I have been to the Bahamas several times on those one day
  cruise ships, and I wasn't asked for any proof of
  citizenship, nor was anyone else that I saw.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
From: muradia@bcarh1ed.bnr.ca (Rajiv Muradia)
Subject: Looking for info on airline reservation system software
Reply-To: muradia@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:19:30 GMT

I am looking for any information on a particular airline computer training 
package called "Sabre". I think it is package used by many travel agencies for
airline reservations. I am also interested in any PD PC software available 
for this type of application and would appreciate information on it. Thanks.

-- 
Rajiv

Internet: muradia@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Re: Seeking Banff hotel (and other) recommendations
Keywords: Banff, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.191807.17810@Csli.Stanford.EDU>  
olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen) writes:

I've been to southern Alberta many times--but I've always stayed with  
friends in Calgary, so I won't be much help in recommending hotels  
(sorry). The Calgary Visitors Bureau may be helpful re: lodging, skiing,  
etc. [(403) 263-8510]
 
> BTW, can anyone tell me if the Banff Springs Hotel is worthwhile?
> It looks to be overpriced and overrated, but I'd like to hear 
> from people who've stayed there in case my impressions are wrong.
> (Normally such a place would be out of our range, but there seem
> to be one or two attractively priced packages around.)

I've been to Banff a couple times, but one was a single-day excursion from  
Calgary, and the other was a camping trip...but I have toured the Banff  
Springs Hotel and have eaten there. It and its surroundings are definitely  
a treasure to see even if you don't stay there. But if you've found a  
really attractive package, I'd say go for it! Or maybe stay there just one  
or two nights just for the experience. (But I have the feeling it may  
already be cutting it close to get reservations for Christmastime, so I'd  
call ASAP just to be safe!) If you do stay there, be sure to post a  
"review" of the place. Enjoy your trip!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:48:55 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <BxIq9B.Mqq.1@cs.cmu.edu> jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon) writes:
>
>
>  You never see your bags until your destination.  At your destination there
>are two carousels: one for domestic bags, one for international ones (ie,
>those which have not been through customs yet.)  the international carousel
>exits through customs.  
>
>  Think of it as a baggage claim which is virtually in your port-of-entry
>but physically at your destination.  Or think of it as a virtual international
>area for baggage that extends all over Spain, with exits at each airport.
>
>  I am talking about "truly domestic flights," of course.
>
>Juan
>
>
>

So, Juan, if you were arriving in Madrid on Air France at 9:15 a.m., how
much time would you need to get to an Iberia flight to Bilbao?  You seem
very familiar with this and how to do it.  I have a chance for a flight
that leaves before 10 a.m. and another one at 11 a.m.  

Thanks.

Alice

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: camera@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Gabriele Camera)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:53:34 GMT


This is a test
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: prking@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Peter King)
Subject: Re: Best Paris Restaurant?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:48:16 GMT

In article <duck.721432099@well.sf.ca.us> duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston) writes:
>
>$200 a person is considerably less than you can spend at a top-rated
>damn-the-expense Parisian restaurant!
>
>Luckily, my favorite restaurant in Paris is much more reasonable.
>L'Ambassade d'Auvergne, 22 rue de Grenier St-Lazare in the 3rd, a short
>walk from the Pompidorium.  Fantastic traditional cuisine of the
>Auvergne region.  Don't miss the aligot.  Reservations are a very good
>idea, tel. 42-72-31-22.

Seconded -- though it's several years since I was there. 
Excellent chou farci and petit sale also.

Chez Marius in the 5th -- rue Fosse St Bernard -- is my favourite Bistro.

Peter King
prking@cs.UManitoba.ca
--
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: PUERTO VALLARTA: Info. Wanted
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:35:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Nov13.003512.26548
Distribution: na
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <547@pyrtor.UUCP> illya@pyrtor.UUCP (Illya Barnett) writes:
>
>I will be going to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico at the end of
>December, and would appreciate hearing from those of you
>who have been there recently.  I'm interested in any
>general information you can give me, but also:
>
>- any information on the "Radisson Nuevo Vallarta" hotel
>- any "must-sees" in Puerto Vallarta
>- what kind of tours are offered (e.g. horseback trip, etc.)
>
>Any information you can provide me is greatly appreciated.
>
>  
>-- 
>Illya Barnett                   |"With the gravity so many claim of their
>illya@pyrtor.UUCP               |existence, it's a wonder these nine planets
>..pyramid!pyrtor!illya          |don't get confused and collide.."-Bourbons

I will be visiting Puerto Vallarta at the beginning of December.  Please
copy me on any information that you have to share.

Thanks,

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com  or  uunet!lmc.com!jimcar

copy me on any information you may have to share.l
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