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From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: a trip to UC Berkeley
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I visited my sister at UC Berkeley this past weekend.  We were
walking around campus, and then a car pulled up near us.  There
was a Chinese guy in the car, and he waved to us as he drove by.
"That looked like Chancellor Tien", my sister told me.  He got
out of the car and I approached him.
"Hi, Dr. Tien?" I asked.
"Yes, how do you do?" he had a big smile on his face.
"You work on Saturdays?" I asked.
"Oh, yes, I am always busy."
I told him who I was and that I know his daughter who is a med
student at UCSD.  We BS'd for a while and then I introduced my
sister to him. 
"She's a sophamore here at Berkeley", I told him.
"Oh, is that right?  She's doing very well, I see", he
responded, still smiling.
At that point, I almost laughed. I wonder how he knew how my
sister was doing in school.  
BTW, he looked exactly like his daughter, or I should say, his
daughter looked exactly like him.

-fm

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.211233.13527@Princeton.EDU> fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:
>
>And who cares what English teachers say or do?  The real world isn't a
>classroom.  I would be more worried about _publishers_ than teachers or
>critics.
>
>Schools are designed to churn out clones of an "ideal citizen."  You
>don't have to go along with the plan.  You can drop out, or you can "pay
>your due," graduate, and move on.  Nobody's forcing you to dot your i's
>or cross your t's.  You make up your own mind, weighing the
>consequences. 

From what you write, it doesn't sound to me that you understand the connection
between the "real" world of publishers and editors and the English teachers. .


>The moral?  Don't _whine_; _act_ instead. 
>
Get educated: there's a real act for you.
						Yumei


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From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: ABC
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr12.190652.3187@Princeton.EDU> fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:

 Note: N refers to "Nth generation Asian Amerian".

>Somehow I have the feeling that it is precisely the N>2 population that
>is most worried about their personal identity.  Having grown up
>"American" in every possible way, except for their skin color--and the
>fact that people still treat them as though they were not authentic
>"Americans"--they suddenly don't know how to deal with this, and start
>trying to "reclaim" a long lost "culture" for the sole purpose of
>wielding it as a weapon against the whites who have rejected them.
>
>Those of us who are N<=2 generally don't need to "reclaim" any lost
>cultures, because we _lived_ them with our parents.  What concerns us is
>not abstract talk about culture or personal identity, but _real_
>problems such as anti-Asian discrimination and violence and surviving in
>our new homeland.

	Sounds very logical.  But..
	How can somebody "reclaim lost culture"?
	Is it necessary?  Possible?  Practical?

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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:30:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr15.211248.18147@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
->In article <122412@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->>
->>Well, most of AA's I've know have average SAT scores of less than 400 yet
->>they have average GPA's of over 3.7 in a very competitive technical program.
->>So SAT English score is not very indicative of your chance of success in 
->>college.
->
->Is your GPA what you consider "success in college"?  If so, success in
->college probably does not translate to success in life.  (whatever your
->criteria for success in life is)  Being successful in a college program
->despite lack of English skills is more an indication of the lack of
->emphasis on communication skills in the curriculum than an indication of
->the success of the individual.
->

So is SAT intended to mean to measure your chance of success in college
or your chance of success in life?

->>->
->>->That is true.  But don't use that as an excuse for not learning English if
->>->you wish to attend school in an English-speaking country.
->>
->>Just because you don't score say 500 on SAT English does not mean you can't
->>be successful in college.  It doesn't mean you can't be a good engineer
->>either.
->
->Of course not.  Just as you can be a good engineer despite lacking
->communication skills.  But gaining those skills can make you an even better
->one.  (Whether the SAT is an indicator of English/commuication skills is
->doubtful, but that's another thread.)

No body is arguing that English is not important.  What I am trying
to say is that immigrants might not have enough time to get to a certain
level on English skills when they entered college.  It's true that you
can be a better engineer with better communication skills.  But they
might need more time.  Given that some of them can still be good engineers
without good communication skills means they can be even better ones
as time goes on, and so they deserve a good education.

See, I am still trying hard to improve my English by reading news and
trying to communicate with you. :-)

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: esperanz@girtab.usc.edu (Michelle Esperanza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American film
Date: 8 Apr 1992 21:14:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr8.061958.6079@news.Hawaii.Edu> candice@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Candice Lee) writes:
>I just
>wanted to know if anyone heard or saw a film called
>"Banana Split" by this Asian American male film-maker.
>It's not a commercial movie, maybe it's been shown in
>some film festivals.  If you can see it, you're lucky.
>The film-maker is hapa but relates more towards his 
>Chinese side and he has such a weird sense of humor.
>I think his name is Kip Fulbeck from La Jolla(?), CA
>
Yes, Kip Fulbeck went to school at UC San Diego.  I was an undergrad at UCSD
when Kip was a grad student in Visual Arts.  Perhaps you saw his work at 
an Asian American conference at U of Hawaii last year.  I find his work to be
interesting and diverse; I saw one piece in which he went to a state fair and interviewed a graphic artist whose works (posters, t-shirts, etc.) exploited 
and exoticized "Asian cultures" -- e.g., the graphic artist painted Chinese
characters into his design but didn't know what they meant; in some other 
pieces, he talks about his family, or about being a teenager in -- I think in 
a city near Magic Mountain or similar theme park in southern California.  Some
of his work has won awards at film festivals.

In case that's not enough of a plug for him, how's this:  ask for Kip's works
at your nearby purveyor of Asian Americana (e.g., Visual Communications in LA,
NATTA (sp? NAATA?) in Bay Area, etc.); expose his work to others.  

Last I heard, Kip got his M.F.A. and went to teach a course in Asian
American Film at UC Santa Barbara.  If anyone knows him, tell him I wish 
him well.

Michelle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.152833.28237@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>  Hey I didn't say anything about Seattle.  And my son is very-young (14
>  months), very-single (no girlfriends), and *very-male*.

Hey... I know a very-single, friendly, and cute 5-month-old girl I could
set him up with :-)

!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*(

Love, the magician, knows this little trick whereby two people walk in
different directions yet always remain side by side.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:19:30 GMT

In article <57340@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Hey, why not an Asian
>
>- Eddie Murphy

Asian comics are a very rare breed.  I don't know whether this is common in
Asians in Asian, but I have met more than a few 1st-generation Asians who
do not get any joke whatsoever.  Not that they are trying to be difficult
or offended; they simply take everything literally and do not see the
"alternative" meaning of a phrase necessary to get a joke.  Is this inability
to get jokes common?  (If this *is* a common trait, it is discouraging to
those of us who want to be comics for Asian audiences :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:02:11 GMT

In article <23577@scorn.sco.COM> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
>
>In article <1992Mar27.175040.4859@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:
>!In article <1992Mar26.190346.13452@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>!>
>!>>whites are rulers (ie: upper management)
>!>
>!>Hey, it's not like we WANTED it. It's genetically forced upon us. Oh, wait, I'm
>!>an enginerd. Never mind.
>!
>!Notice how you couldn't think up of a negative stereotype for white people?
>!Quick, name one that's generally accepted as "true" in this country.  Go on,
>!give me one, quick, quick, quick...
>!
>!The very fact that you couldn't name one for whites is in itself very telling.
>!
>
>That's right!

That's wrong!

>Even the images we preceive of others are controlled by "THEM" (hollywood)!
>Yeah, yeah, there are always exceptions.. 

Hollywood? Listen, there were LOTS of stereotypes about whites before there
was EVER a Hollywood; just ask anyone to tell you some Irish/Jewish/French/
Polish/Italian/German/hill billy, etc, joke. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen)
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:06:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.174139.7084@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>	I'm ignorant on this.  I just think that N>2 Asian population is
>	small enough to be considered negligible in this discusion.  We 
>	are talking about a general trend here; not isolated cases.

Somehow I have the feeling that it is precisely the N>2 population that
is most worried about their personal identity.  Having grown up
"American" in every possible way, except for their skin color--and the
fact that people still treat them as though they were not authentic
"Americans"--they suddenly don't know how to deal with this, and start
trying to "reclaim" a long lost "culture" for the sole purpose of
wielding it as a weapon against the whites who have rejected them.

Those of us who are N<=2 generally don't need to "reclaim" any lost
cultures, because we _lived_ them with our parents.  What concerns us is
not abstract talk about culture or personal identity, but _real_
problems such as anti-Asian discrimination and violence and surviving in
our new homeland.

How's that for abstract talk? :-)  (Disclaimer:  I'm not speaking for
anyone above, and that includes myself.)

	Franklin Chen
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.190652.3187@Princeton.EDU> fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:
	["Discussion" "about" "reclaiming" "lost" "culture" "deleted."]
>
>Those of us who are N<=2 generally don't need to "reclaim" any lost
>cultures, because we _lived_ them with our parents.  What concerns us is
>not abstract talk about culture or personal identity, but _real_
>problems such as anti-Asian discrimination and violence and surviving in
>our new homeland.
>
>How's that for abstract talk? :-)  (Disclaimer:  I'm not speaking for
>anyone above, and that includes myself.)
>
>	Franklin Chen
> 

I'd distinguish between N=1 and N=2 here.  For the first generation
immigrants who actually grew up overseas (e.g. Asia), Franklin's comment
about living the culture definitely applies.  Many of the first generation
immigrants I've talked to, though, don't really feel so strongly about
anti-Asian discrimination, since many of them don't consider themselves
to be really American.

For the second generation immigrants, many of us grow up thinking that
we've somehow lived Asian culture, whereas in reality we are merely
accepting the truth/lies that the media feeds us (including textbooks,
novels, etc.) plus the small and subjective glimpse of Asian culture that
our parents happen to feel like pushing on us.  A lot of people happily
go through life like this, feeling somehow guilty for not being able
to speak or read, or not liking sushi, or not dating the only other
Asian American in town, or liking heavy metal and playing hockey, or whatever.
One day, the realization hits that it makes a lot more sense to think of
oneself as a Real-Live-American-(tm)-with-all-the-rights-and-responsibilities-
thereunto-appertaining, instead of a hollow-bamboo-worthless-twinkie-pseudo-
Asian-and-phony-American.  At this point, the guilt slowly transforms into
rage at having been deprived the full rights of being a real American, and
an Angry Asian-American Activist is born.

(Disclaimer:  This is not at all abstract and is much closer to
autobiographical than I'd want you to believe.)
						--Alan J. Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho)
Subject: test
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:18:59 GMT



this is just a test.            

Organization: Freshman, Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:30:09 -0400 
From: Anthony Russell Rosania <ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
	<MDAY.92Apr9225325@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<s3d50INN8pq@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<HIEBELER.92Apr11141811@passion.think.com>
Distribution: usa




     To emphasizes Dave Hiebeler's post, I think the emphasis shouldn't
be on recognizing YOUR heritages achievments/culture, I believe one
should make an attempt to learn all cultures, and achievments of all
factions of HUMANkind. I for one am interested in learning about Asian
culture because I believe I have learned adequate European culture
throughout my education, now I wish to learn about Asian culture and
next semester take an Asian language course (Japanese or Korean). My
name is Italian, but  my backround American, but most of all my blood is
HUMAN. America IS a melting pot of people, lets make it a melting pot of
IDEAS, by learning about eachother and other nations. Human Power !!!

						Anthony

	P.S.  As I said, I am very interested in learning about Asian culture
but I am new to this board. Anyone with reading, info, etc. or
interested in just plain chating or exchanging ideas please feel free to
write. I delight in conversation with people.
From: Mark_Ward@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Ward)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Correspondance
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:29:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

>Bonjour,

>S'il y a quelqu'un qui lit parfois, par hasard, ce groupe, qui aimerait
>entrer en contact avec un Belge, de Leuven (Louvain), qui a demenage il
>y a maintenant quelques annees vers le nord (Helsinki-Finlande), je serais
>heureux de me rappeler d'une petite partie de mon vocabulaire francais.
>Si cela serait d'une importance, j'ai 32 ans et je suis etudiant a
>l'universite.
>Salut.
>Daniel

 Bonjour Daniel,
 Je m'apelle Jason et j'utilise l'ordinateur a mon frere, alors me trompez
 pas avec lui.  De toute facon; je suis alle en Belgique cette annee pour une
couple de jours, durant les vacances de noel avec ma copine, qui demeure au
nord de la France.  C'etait la ville de La Panne (ou De Panne).  C'etait
tres joli comme endroit a visiter.  Tu vera que mon francais n'est pas tout
a fait le meilleur nomplu.  Presentement je fais mes etudes a Vancouver,
Canada.  Sa fait huit mois que je suis ici, avant j'ai toujours demeure a
 Montreal.  Est ce que je me trompe en presumant que ta premiere langue est
 le flamand? J'aimerais bien entrer en contact avec un Belge demeurant en
 Helsinki.  Je trouve ca tres interessant, pouvoir communiquer par modem  avec
des gens de n'importe ou au monde.
                                         Jason.

 Si tu veut, tu peut me repondre par e-mail, ou bien tout simplement
 rester sur ce newsgroup.


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CIS: 70323,3601            Albert Einstein from Living Philosophies (1931)
From: serge@imag.fr (Serge Rouveyrol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Petrole ou culture ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:12:30 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <33551@imag.imag.fr> laurent@imag.fr (Jacques LAURENT) writes:
 |..................................
 |quelles caracteristiques essentielles de la culture arabe souhaiteriez
 |vous voir se developper (par induction) en France ?
 |

 L 'HOSPITALITE.

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From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Sartre
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:03:02 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

[ Voici un texte que j'ai degotte sur le rezo il y a belle lurette.  Bien
  qu'il soit en anglais, je pense qu'il ... heu ... hein? ]

	    Subject: A New Programming Language: SARTRE

*SARTRE--Named after the late existential philosopher, SARTRE is an
extremely unstructured language.  Statements in SARTRE have no purpose;
they just are. Thus SARTRE programs are left to define their own
functions. SARTRE programmers tend to be boring and depressed and are
no fun at parties.  The SARTRE language has two basic data types, the
EN-SOI and the POUR-SOI.  The EN-SOI is a completely filled heap, 
whereas the POUR-SOI is a dynamic structure which never has the same
value.  The structures are accessed through the only operation
defined in SARTRE, nihilation, which usually results in a 
?BAD FAITH at PC 02AC040 error.  Comparisons in SARTRE have a peculiar
form in that the IF statement can take no arguments and simply reads

		IF;

Similarly, assignments can only be of the form

		WHAT-IS := (NOT WHAT-IS);

since in SARTRE the POUR-SOI is only, and exactly, what it is not.
Although this sounds confusing, a background process, the NIHILATOR, is
constantly running, making any such statements (or any statements at
all, for that matter), completely meaningless.

Programs in SARTRE do not terminate, of course, since there is No Exit.

--Author Unknown
From: patricj@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Jean Patrice)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: une douce odeur de pourriture
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:14:02 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <33190@imag.imag.fr> serge@imag.fr (Serge Rouveyrol) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.110755.10870@sun.pcl.ac.uk> patricj@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Jean Patrice) writes:
> |In article <33026@imag.imag.fr| serge@imag.fr (Serge Rouveyrol) writes:
> ||  
> ||  Pour revenir a la question de depart : en France le parti communiste est
> ||le seul parti serieux pouvant lutter contre l'extreme droite,
> ||le nombre de morts dans le combat contre les nazis en est bien un exemple
> ||significatif, n'est-ce pas ? A chacun ses gouts sauf a l'extreme droite.
> |.........................................
> |.........................................
> |.........................................
> |Quand a la phrase "a chacun ses gouts sauf a l'etreme droite", tu preches
> |la democratie selective : tout le monde peut avoir ses opinions pourvu 
> |qu'elles ne soient pas loin des tiennes. Les gens d'extreme-droite sauf
> |tout ce que tu veux mais des citoyens et donc on le droite de PENSER. S'ils
> |provoquent des desordres, tuent etc ... ils tombent sous le coup de 
> |la loi. Point a la ligne. 
> |
>
> Il est d'ailleurs bien connu qu'en Allemagne, au moment ou Hitler etait au
>pouvoir, toute personne qui massacrait un juif etait condamnee a mort.
>N'est-ce pas ?

Compares-tu la societe actuelle, en France, avec l'allemagne apres la 
premiere guerre. Les gens a cette epoque, avec deux poubelles de marks,
ne pouvait pas s'acheter une boite d'allumettes pour allumer les cigarettes
que de toute facon ils ne pouvaient que rever. Quand un tordu te dis :
"tuez les juifs et vous pourrez acheter du pain" que fais-tu. Ne te pose
pas la question en tant qu'enseignant en 1992 mais en tant que travailleur
pour un salaire de misere dans un pays en pleine pagaille. Je ne cherche
pas a excuser cependant, loin de la ... En passant, la pagaille de cette
epoque etait du a qui ? Question subsidiaire dont tu connais la reponse.
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