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From: mayes@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Mayes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Jet skis for sale
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: mayes@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Mayes)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

FOR SALE:

89' 550 Kawasaki
90' 650 Kawasaki
Together or separate
Trailer(s) available

Call Ed @ (703) 691-0017
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: "JIMI000/Jim Ingraham" <JIMI@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: 2 batteries -- how?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:46:21 GMT

In article <19861@fritz.filenet.com> daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards) writes:
>I'm electrifying my dad's 50+ year old sailboat.  Everything was pro-
>gressing smoothly until I decided to include wiring to allow a second
>battery to be added at some later date (I don't think it's a critical
>the way because of the .8V diode drop.

I HAVE BEEN HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS.  ALSO, WHAT IS A
SUITABLE ISOLATOR FOR A 9.9 HP OUTBOARD(4 STROKE)?  (I'VE DISCOVERED
THAT NOT ALL ISOLATORS ARE THE SAME.)

>
>(C) I forget about the isolator altogether and just hook the alternator
>output to the selector switch common terminal.  Only the selected battery
>will be charged.  Is it OK to leave the selector switch on "both" while
>the engine is running, to charge both batteries in parallel? (That's
>what the switch documentation says, but I have doubts.)
>
>(D) Same as (C) only the switch isn't left on "both".  The skipper has
>to remember to periodically alternate the switch between 1 and 2 while
>the engine is running to charge both batteries.
>
I HAVE TRIED THE ABOVE AND EVERYTHING SEEMED TO WORK FINE...EXCEPT THAT
STARTING THE MOTOR SOMETIMES CREATES A VOLTAGE SPIKE WHICH FRIED MY
LORAN (I'VE SINCE REWIRED TO MAKE SURE ALL ELECTRONICS ARE SEPARATE
FROM MY STARTING BATTERY)  I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT A BATTERY ISOLATOR
WOULD ALSO ACT AS A SURGE SUPPRESSOR - SO I'M BACK TO SQUARE 1.

THANKS FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS,
JIM.

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dmb@eddore.network.com (Duane M. Butler)
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:42:36 GMT

In article <184ti1INN1fk@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.021622.28298@mdd.comm.mot.com> zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes:
>>Actually you are bashing Bayliners and their owners in a particularly
>>arrogant way. This could be a problem for you if you don't recognize
>>it. Better get help.
>
>No, I'm saying "I never thought I'd say this, but..."
>
>I didn't see anything about bayliner owners in my sentence.
>If you are that sensitive about people's opinions of your
>posessions, you could probably use some counseling yourself.
>
>>
>>Damn, this was the sort of behavior that I thought folks out
>>grew with puberty or soon after. How long do we have ?
>
>Speed != immaturity
>
>As long as a person handles a fast boat SAFELY, then you should
>have no problem with it. For the most part, you won't even see
>my boat when it is at speed, because I don't haul butt around
>other boats.
>

Bingo.  I've always said that performance boaters had better be
the safest boaters.  You can die in these things man...

Duane.
From: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Depth Sounders
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:24:16 GMT
Reply-To: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:
>>The only problem i see with a transom mount depth sounder, is that it measures
>>the depth of the bottom which you have just passed over.. Much like the QEII
Stuff deleted
>
>Still, the further forward the transducer is mounted, the more
>you'll know about where you're going rather than where
>you've been.
>

I've been following this thread for a while and thought I'd pass on my
experience with a fish finder and transom mount transducer for a depth
sounder. Being new with these devices, I purchased a Fish Finder plus 
the transom mount transducer, did a little reading of the instructions, 
checked some old Cruising World articles and decided that I could stick 
the transducer inboard on my 26' sail boat.  The question was, where?  I
found a nice little pocket of space under the forward vee berth that 
was relatively flat, filled it with grease (water proof wheel bearing 
grease), stuck the transducer in the grease, wiggled it around, and 
turned the unit on. Its worked fine so far, about three or four months, 
and the only problem I've had is when a BIG (like >30 foot) power boat 
gets in front of me going in the narrow channel to our marina.  The 
display starts breaking up and the readings get erratic.  I've assumed 
that its due to a lot of turbulence from the power boat's props stirring
up the mud bottem.  The depth is about 6 feet at low water.
I hope this helps the original poster.

				      Frank
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Subject: Re: Bayliner Boats
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:36:20 GMT

To: alan@km4ba.uucp
Subject: Re: Bayliner Boats
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <1992Aug28.064256.14535@km4ba.uucp> you write:
>
>In the land of 18" flats with narrow windy "stake channels", sloppy
>seamanship is dangerous to others, and usually to the sloppy sailor.
>
>Most Bayliner dealers in S Fla are the newest ones, or ones who have
>lost other lines. They have a poor reputation as dealers, and based
>on observation do not do much to encourage "power squadron" type training,
>or even basic USCG requirements.

We have many Bayliners here (we make them). The dealer I bought mine from,
the largest in the world, encourged "power squadron" type training and even 
basic USCG requirements.

I travel through a narrow canal and a set of locks with thousands :-( of other 
pleasure boaters to get to Puget Sound each weekend. I have seen many examples
of dangerous operation and the worst offenders are operators of large pleasure
boats of all brands. The skills, experience, and attitude of Bayliner operators
are no different than any other group.

>It does keep the towboat operators in business, and they have a distinct
>opinion.

That certainly isn't the case here.

>No argument... I might would even buy one for freshwater use if the price
>was right. The problem is that the price long term is usually not right
>with a Bayliner. Most 1st time buyers are not aware of the problems, or
>even what to look for. 

I wasn't, but things worked out pretty good.

>Bayliners are not the only boat with problems. Most metalflake bass boats 
>are very sloppy, and based on Ga lake experience have little or no idea 
>about seamanship. (I do not mean how to splice a rope. I mean right of 
>way, safety devices, etc)

Bayliners are cheap. Little things break. The interior finish is poor.
Windshields rattle. Beds collapse. Cheap cheap cheap.

Bayliners are not unsafe. Most Bayliners here have Merc stern drives and these
are certainly OK. I have never seen nor heard of a Bayliner cracking in two 
and sinking. Mine hasn't. Bayliners are fun and affordable.

I would rather have a SeaRay but I don't.

>If a person asks for information regarding a boat, I think it is only
>fair to make them aware of problems and issue. (And yes attitudes, as it
>affects how you enjoy your sport.)

I don't recall getting my new attitude with my boat. Should I complain to my
dealer ? 

-- 
---
Mike Zintel             zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com not zintel@mdi.com anymore
Motorola Mobile Data
Bothell, WA
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: re: Winter Boat Storage
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:26:47 GMT

when using a tarp for winter storage, make sure to have enough support and
slope on the top.  Last winter I used the method of running the mast across
yhe top of the cabin.  The slope between the mast and the life lines was in-
adequate and water pooled there(tons of water).  The result pushed a
stantion right through the deck.  This year I'll use a better frame or
store her indoors.
John
Venture 222
Windwalker
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: harlan@crchh347.bnr.ca (Bruce Harlan)
Subject: Outboard information 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 18:05:46 GMT


I am considering the purchase of a used (but not used-up) outboard for a 
14 foot aluminum jonboat. I have been unable to find some reference as
a pricing guide. For used cars, there is the N.A.D.A. "blue" book. Is there
anything for outboards? If it matters, I'm in the Dallas area.
From: bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Electronics legal on racing dinghies?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:38:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Although all keelboats seem to have at least a knotmeter, if not a huge array
of instruments useful for racing, small dinghies do not (with one exception
which brings up this question). There is the obvious explanation that a
battery (heavy) is required, but if your boat is underweight anyway,
might as well ad electronics as lead. So, does anyone know of any rules
against such devices on small centerboard boats (i.e. 470's, Lightnings, etc)?
   Class rules often are written to limit costs of racing, so one-design regs
are a good place to look. Note that I don't plan to install any, but am
wondering if the only boat that has electronics is legal.
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Date: 3 Sep 1992 16:19:07 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Sep3.190840.26391@cs.ubc.ca> goldberg@cs.ubc.ca (Murray W. Goldberg) writes:
>[argument that speed != immaturity deleted]
>
>>> As long as a person handles a fast boat SAFELY, then you should
>>> have no problem with it. ......
>
>[to which heon@cbnewsg.att.com replies...]
>>Very well said.  ......
>[and goes on to say....]
>> ....  I must admit it's [the ferry's] wake is
>> very large (broke an arm of a passenger jumping it myself),
>>
>>* heon@cbnewsg.att.com       Holmdel, NJ *
>
>Am I the only one who sees an inconsistency here? Hmmmmm..., all this makes 
>me glad I live on the *other* coast (though I suspect we have our share of 
>such "safe boat handlers" here too). I can't think of any situation where

I'll let Gary defend himself about jumping ferry wakes, etc...
There are no ferries where I drive my boat, nor is it open
ocean, so I cannot speak for or against what Gary said.

I will, however, say this...

When my boat approaches any speed greater than 40 MPH, I make
damned sure that nobody is within 1/2 mile of me, and I keep
a sharp eye out ahead. I also have a navigator on board, just
in case I miss something.

I inspect and maintain my boat rigorously. I doubt that many
of the folks here can honestly say that they inspect their
hull for cracks, steering cables for tightness of fit/play,
and throttle linkages prior to every launch. I do. I fully
understand that a boat capable of 75 MPH is dangerous, and
I handle it as such. I NEVER drink while driving my boat.
I approach any bend in the waterway with caution (and at less
than 40 MPH, slower if necessary). I always wear an impact-
rated life vest, and my kill switch.

My boat has become airborne, and while that can be dangerous,
it is not if the boat is tightly put together, and you know how
to handle an airborne boat. (That's why you stay away from the
other boaters.)

The worst boating injury I have ever had was when I folded my
toenail back on my friend's jet ski. High-speed boat driving
is safe, but you have to take your time, and work your way up
to it. It's the folks who hop in a 100-horsepower boat, pull
back a few brews, and then hit the throttle that scare me.

-- Mike

----------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion, of course...
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: FAQ WANTED
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:19:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Distribution: na
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <1992Sep2.191125.9107@src.honeywell.com>,
hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) wrote:
> 
> 
> >  From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) Newsgroups: rec.boats
> 
> >  >  Are houseboats really boats?  If so, why? :-)
> >  >
> >
> >
> >  Nope.  See the above definitions.  I've never seen a houseboat
> >  "navigate" (and yes, I'm including the ones with engines).  Have
> >  you?
> 
> mine does -- up and down the mississippi so far.  i keep it between
> the green ones and the red ones :-).
> 
> any other houseboat owners out there?  being new to this hobby, i'd be
> interested in hearing about houseboat-specific concerns/problems.  i'm
> also considering living aboard (not all year of course) and would like
> to hear about other people's experiences.
> 
> maybe some of this belongs in the faq.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -geo

What?  You mean somebody actually OWNs a houseboat?  I thought they were
all rentals. :-)  They are nearly all rentals on the waters where I've
encountered them (mostly in the Sacramento Delta), and they're considered a
"hazard to navigation".  Apparently, if you can identify the steering wheel
you're allowed to rent one with no further instruction.  They don't even
tell people the Delta is tidal.  I can't begin to count the number of times
I've seen pontoon houseboats high and dry.  I've even seen one suspended in
the air between the river bank and an island!  My apologies to those like
you who actually own their own houseboats and know how to use them.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Coast Guard AUXILLARY information!
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 03:40:59 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <6140068@hplsla.hp.com> <STEPH.92Aug31160435@candide.uchicago.edu>
  <1992Sep1.125629.27756@phri.nyu.edu>
  <1992Sep1.182953.15225@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>

Would Anyone have information on joining the coast guard auxillary in north
america? Does anyone have a listing of flotilla's?.
 
Phil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: WANTED inflatable boat accesories
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:56:30 GMT



  I'm seeking accesories for achilles inflatable boat.  Things like launching
wheels,  sun shade, boarding ladder, and other useful stuff.

                                         thanxs
                                            kris
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:34:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 92Sep4103732@kelvin.uio.no, oles@kelvin.uio.no (Ole Swang) writes:
> In article 17174@ans.net, hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:

> No, no. But it can be a problem to get the old lettering off. 
> Good hints, anyone? The letters on my (recently aquired) boat
> look like they are of the self-sticking type, but they have
> proven very hard to remove. Of course, one would prefer to
> keep the gelcoat unhurt.


Heat them up with a hair dryer or heat gun.  If you still can't get a spot
loose with your fingernail and s-l-o-w-l-y pull it off, use a putty knife or
razor knife and CAREFULLY lift an edge to get it started.

Jeff Huntington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Formula for speed ?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 02:23:11 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Aug21.123256.9165@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
>
>>So, I have been thinking of upgrading the motor to somewhere between a 50 hp
>>and 70 hp (max limit for the transom).  Now I know that a 70 hp isn't going
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The horsepower rating has nothing to do with the strength of the
>transom.  It is calculated using a formula based on the length
>and width of the boat (in most cases).  :-)
>
>
WRONG again Grasshopper. The max horsepower is directly related to the width,
strength, material and construction of the transom. Otherwise, all 16' long,
7; wide boats would have the same limits.. and trust me, they don't..

				Signed,
			The owner of a 40hp MAX, 16'x7' bass tracker

(one wonders how and why these guys make things up and why they post them
"to thousands of users, costing thousands of dollars". Please, if you
want to "act" smart, do it elsewhere... IF you have knowledgeable information
to share, THEN post it.

Step off the soapbox Mike and apologize.. Sorry Kevin.. but accuracy is 
important to me.. part of why I am an engineer and not a weatherman. ;-)

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
{									      }
{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
{									      }
{									      }


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: saswel@unx.sas.com (Warren Lewis)
Subject: Trailering a 19' Sailboat
Summary: sailboats trailerable 
Originator: warren@linus.cc.ncsu.edu
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:11:48 GMT

My wife and I just happened upon a 1977 19' Montego the other
day and we could just not turn it down.  Our only problem is
we do not have a car/truck large enough to pull it. It weighs
about 2300 lbs on the trailer. Any suggestions on what we should
get on the used market in the $3000-$8000 to pull our first 
sailboat purchase? Please email replies to saswel@unx.sas.com and 
I will summarize to the net.
    Thanks - Warren
----
Warren E. Lewis
saswel@unx.sas.com
Graphics Division
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: Recomend good LORAN ???
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:29:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.125629.27756@phri.nyu.edu> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy
Smith) writes:
>>Also, its ``time to go'' function seems brain dead, inasmuch as it
>>just divides the distance by your speed over ground, ignoring your
>>course over ground.  You could be heading directly away from the
>>waypoint at it would still give you a non-infinite time to go.
>
>	Now, an Occam, that's a different story.  It should be able to tell
>from your apparant wind angle that you're close hauled, calculate your VMG
>to windward, and show TTG as distance to windward to the next waypoint
>divided by your VMG to windward.  Of course, that's probably a $1000 custom
>software module option.

 Brooks and Gatehouse system does this one better (w/GPS but should be able to
do it with LORAN) It uses boat target speed/angle, velocity over ground (really
to project set and drift I guess), and waypoint position to give
"time-to-layline." If you get a big lift suddenly and are overstanding I don't
what it does - tell you "NEGATIVE 45 SECONDS TO LAYLINE"? I'll have to ask next
time I'm on that boat. Of course the attentive tactician/naviguesser woudl
already be watching range and bearing to mark.

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Outboard information 
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:00:26 GMT

Bruce Harlan writes:

	I am considering the purchase of a used (but not used-up) 
	outboard for a 14 foot aluminum jonboat. I have been unable 
	to find some reference as a pricing guide. For used cars, 
	there is the N.A.D.A. "blue" book. Is there anything for 
	outboards? If it matters, I'm in the Dallas area.

Your Public Library should have the BUC book. This is the boating Blue
Book, and has a section on outboards.

							Fido
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: illegal dredging
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:19:13 GMT
Organization: Invictus
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Sep1.104.99730@dosgate> nigel.allen@CANREM.COM (Nigel Allen) writes:
>
>Here is a press release from the U.S Justice Department.
> 
> Ship Yard Owners Indicted for Illegal Dredging of San Francisco Bay
> To: National Desk, California Correspondents
> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007

...[Press Release removed]...

The article doesn't mention the fact that they were caught by a kayaker from
an environmental group which monitors bay pollution.  They were doing the
dredging under the cover of darkness.

Dudley
.
From: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:02:16 GMT
Reply-To: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Don't forget the little things involved in changing the boat's name:

   The cost of the new name, if it is custom done graphically. Can run
	lotsa bux!

   The cost of the changed VHF marine FCC license.  This has to be done
	since the boat's name is part of the license, unless you are
	currently unlicensed or the boat is a new acquisition.  Current
	cost is $35.00.

   Your MIN number (Marine Identification Number for marine radio-
	telephone) will need to be changed.  No cost, but an additional
	hassle.

   Cost of removal of the old name in chemicals and labor (elbow grease).


My garbage scow (sometimes mistaken for a boat) still has the name it
came with.  I guess that "FRISKY BUSINESS" isn't really that bad a name
It's kinda grown on me the past four years...

Smooth Seas!     Ken Stuart
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Beginner
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:40:35 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

dtp1@donner.uucp (80733-patricia) writes:
> So now I am seriously considering a sailboat for use on large lakes and
> in bays in the northeast.  I won't have more than two people to crew it,
> but I would like to be able to sleep on board if necessary.  Also, it
> would need to be trailerable.  Is this what is known as a daysailer?

	I've never seen the term formally defined, by my idea of a
daysailer is something that you can take out for a sail during the day,
i.e. has no provision for cooking, sleeping, (or, since rec.boats seems to
be infatuated with the subject lately, excreting).

> I have been told that the two happiest days of a boat owners life are the
> day he buys his boat and the day he sells it.  Is this really true?

	I suspect it's true in many cases.  I see a lot of boats that don't
get used very much, and you really have to wonder why somebody spent so
much money to buy and maintain a boat if they are only going to use it once
or twice a month for 3 or 4 months a year.  For people like that, yes, the
day they sell the boat will be a happy day.  My guess is that when those
boats were bought, the people who bought them didn't really think hard
enough about what they wanted a boat for, and if they boat they were buying
was the kind of boat they really wanted.

> Is boating just one long maintenance schedule interspersed with moments
> of joy on the water?

	It can be, I suppose, but I think the key to reducing maintenance
is to have a simple-to-maintain boat.  I've got no plumbing to speak of,
not much in the way of an electrical system, minimal electronics, no
inboard motor, etc.  There's just not a lot to break.  In my mind, that's
the way it should be.  Techno-toys are neat, but remember that everything
you add to the boat is going to break sometime and need fixing.  Add enough
stuff, and you'll soon find yourself spending more time maintaining the
boat than using it.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
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