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From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: OW3.0 installation is not funny (nor is 4.1.2 upgrade)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:23:02 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands

Install OW 3.0 in the default way. You end up with an unusable system if per
chance your path mentions /usr/bin before /usr/openwin/bin. The first contains
symbolic links to /usr/bin/sunview1 and the following happens. Say, you chose
shelltool from the programs menu and you save workspace. The next statrup of
OW 3.0 will try to start the programs through your path and thus find the
sunview versions of the programs. The version of course do not accpet the
flags as defnied in .openwin-init and it takes some time to figure out why all
your programs started that way are sunview monsters and not OW 3.0 versions.

Also not funny: installing 4.1.2 instead of 4.1.1 takes up and extra 2MB per
client's / dir. Thus installing 4.1.2 means rearranging disk partitions and
thus I will not be able to do it for some time (I don't have the time for
those things, I have work to do).

Also not funny: not even release notes with 4.1.2 ("use your answerbook"). But
answerbook wont print most of the documents ("cannot find").

In short: this has been a very disappointing experience (including trying to
find someone at the helpdesk to help me out and having to explain it to 4
different people and in the end not being called back) and not what I had
experienced from SUN in the past.

I am not that big a fan of DEC but the installation of Ultrix 4.2a went *much*
smoother than this. Let alone the sigh of relief I normally let out when I am
using the NeXT...

I was always a big fan of SUN, but it is diminishing fast. Their hardware is
OK but their software is often a big diappointment. The same goes for their
service. Any hardware problem is fixed before you can say 'SUN' but software
service is really bad.
-- 
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	"If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: /usr/games/fortune on diskless machines
Date: 15 Apr 1992 00:50:08 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <Apr.14.14.32.53.1992.11188@dartagnan.rutgers.edu> trudel@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Jonathan) writes:
>Can someone explain why /usr/games fortune opens the
>/usr/games/lib/fortunes.dat read-write for user, group, and other?  
>Since it's only supposed to read the file, I can't understand why
>fortune does this.  I checked this running "trace fortune" and the
>open on the fortunes.dat file is as follows:
>
>open ("/usr/games/lib/fortunes.dat", 02, 0666) = -1 EROFS (Read-only file system)
>
>Why is that?  How can I work around this on diskless workstations that
>mount /usr readonly?

If you'd tried the trace on a machine with a writable /usr, you'd have seen
that it does write the file.  In addition to the texts of the fortunes,
there's a header that includes an index to the current fortune.  Each time
it's used, this index is updated so that future calls will get a different
fortune (I guess the author didn't really trust random number generators).

You could make a copy of /usr/games/lib/fortunes.dat in each machine's /var
partition, and replace /usr/games/lib/fortunes.dat on the server with a
symlink to this copy.

By the way, when I watched the trace, I saw something else screwy:

flock (3, 02) = 0
flock (3, 010) = 0
close (0) = 0
close (1) = 0
close (2) = 0
write(3, ""..., 28) = 28
close (3) = 0

Notice that it unlocks before writing.  The programmer forgot about stdio's
buffering, and he unlocked the file before stdio flushed its buffer!
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: uucico problem
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:49:39 GMT
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix, Santa Clara, CA

porum@county.oz.au (Peter Orum) writes:

>I'm having trouble getting uucp to connect to a distant
>machine over a modem. It seems to me that it's because
>the other machine answers in uppercase half the time, 
>so uucp gets SSWORD, rather that the 'ssword' it expects.

This can be caused by a modem set for MNP or v.42 error correction
calling a modem not so equipped. MNP negotiation calls for sending
an MNP synchronous block from the caller to the callee. A stupid
modem will treate this just like any other data and pass it to the
getty. If the garbage is all caps, getty will assume that your
terminal is brain damaged and send all caps back, with \ escaping
of characters that really are caps. The solution is to include
instructions in your dial script to disable error correction
when you dial that site.

-- 
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us> | "Don't try this at home, kids. This
N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA       | should only be done by trained, pro-
37 19 49 N / 121 57 36 W             | fessional idiots."
+1 408 249 963[012] (modem)          |                     -- Plucky Duck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: heiser@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: "fdc" message at boot-up [SUMMARY]
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:32:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.143454.17335@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com> heiser@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (Bill Heiser) writes:
>We are seeing a funny message at boot-time on our Sparc ELC machines.
>The message is as follows:
>fdc:  unexpectedly busy - stat 0x34
>fdc:  no RQM - Stat 0x10
>What do these mean?  What is "fdc", and what is an "RQM"?

Thanks to all who responded:  The consensus is that the "fdc" message
is from the floppy disk driver, and since the ELC doesn't ahve a floppy,
that message comes out at boot-time.  Removing the FDC driver from the
kernel will elminate the message and save a bit of memory.

Thanks much to the many people who responded:
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us>
fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
ats@prosun.first.gmd.de (Andreas Schulz)
kat@genisco.gtc.com (Kathryn Fielding)
Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org>
montjoy@thor.ece.uc.EDU (Robert Montjoy)
mikec@suntzu.West.Sun.COM (Mike Cormier [Los Angeles SE])
shawni@tis.llnl.gov (Shawn Instenes)
Steve.Mosher@East.Sun.COM (Steve Mosher - Sun ECOPS Manufacturing Engineering)




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: williamm@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Martin Williams)
Subject: Re: Sys admin have root access to user stat
Organization: Motorola(Swindon-UK)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:42:31 GMT

gregc@clif.ypsi.mi.us (Greg Cronau) writes:
>Under NIS you only have ONE master password file for ALL machines, it only
>contains a few/one root account(s) and these should only be know by the
>designated sysadmins.

I may be being dense here but surely if your _only_ passwd file
as you appear to be saying Greg, is the NIS master how do you
log onto a system in a situation where the NIS is not up??
for example Single-User ? Surely you need a local passwd
file for that??! :-)
Regards
Martin

-- 
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= Motorola Ltd, European Cellular Infrastructure Division, Swindon, UK
= Tel No (0793 545255)	E-Mail:	uunet!motcid!zeus!williamm
= Fax No (0793 618714)		williamm@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com
From: nassio@cfa.harvard.edu (George Nassiopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Request for Info, re: SUN + SGI network
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:08:44 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

We have a network of approximately 35 Sun 4's 
that are networked together running NFS, NIS,
automounter etc. etc.

Can anyone offer me any information/advice as
to what I would have to look forward to if we
wanted to add a couple of SGI's to this network?
Is anyone currently managing such a mixture?

How well would NFS work mounting the SUN filesystem
on the SGI and vice versa?

Is there any problem accessing the SUN NIS master
databases from the SGI's? Would SUN's NIS work on
the SGI's?

Does SGI have an automounter program, or would i
have to obtain amd off the network? Does amd work
on the SGI's?

Are there any problems with performing file system
dumps from the SGI's remotely to the SUN's?

Can anyone think of anything that I should be aware
of that I haven't asked? 

Thanks for your input....

Please e-mail responses to me directly at:
	nassio@cfa.harvard.edu

I will summarize if i get requests to do so...


george nassiopoulos
nassio@cfa.harvard.edu
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: X and Openwin: What do they have in common?
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:41:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Acadia University

I want to install both X11R5 and Open Windows 3.0 on our Sun 670. The
way I would normall do the installation is to put X in, say

    /usr/local/X11R5

and OpenWindows in

    /usr/local/openwin

I suspect I'll end up doing something like this anyway, but I if there
would be some way to set these packages up to "share" common files.
For example, can openwin use the X11R5 xinit or does it have to use
Sun's version. And of course all those libraries! Is there anyway
such an integration can be achieved?
--
Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager        peter.steele@acadiau.ca
Acadia University, Wolfville, NS   Tel: 902-542-2201   Fax: 902-542-4364
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From: tomw@panix.com (Tom Weddell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Need format.dat entry for HP 97558-S 1.2G
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:09:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

I have NO information for my new HP 97558 (the invoice says 97588)
drive, the label is corrupted (bad magic number) and I can't format it!
Can someone supply me with a format.dat entry or tell me where I can
get the cylinder, alternate, etc. info?
Thanks, tomw@panix.com
From: ben@it3.crl.mei.co.jp (Ben Reaves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: du and df difference
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:13:38 GMT
Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd.


I tried "df /var" and see that about 7777 kb are used, 234 free.
I tried "du /var" and see that it is about 620 kb

When I say kb here, I mean blocks (where 1 block is 1 KB).

Now, I know that du will report blocks in mounted filesystems and df won't.
That would make du report more than df; in this case, du reports much less.
Neither one of them follow symbolic links.  None of the directory-type files
is big enough to account for it.  "find /var -ls" doesn't show anything
promising, either.

Until this 7MB disk hog is found, I can't use vi on large files.

help!
-Ben
(ben@crl.mei.co.jp)


--
==== Ben Reaves ============================= ben@it3.crl.mei.co.jp ====
From: thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: 4.1.2 cron and daylight savings time
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:54:07 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, Mountain View CA

In article <1992Apr5.201017.14981@cs.tulane.edu> mb@cs.tulane.edu (Mark Benard) writes:
>Cron jobs on a Sun 670MP stopped running after the time change this morning.
>It looks like cron just forgot the crontab entries, because as soon as
>I editted the entries, cron starting running the jobs as specified.
>This happened with user news.  I am not sure about root, because there
>were no root jobs scheduled.
>
>Did this happen elsewhere?  With SunOS 4.1.1?

No cron probs on any 4.1.1 system at my office or home.  These are ALL stock
(GENERIC) kernels on Sun-3 and Sun-4 boxes with no patches whatsoever.

Just checked the logs a short while ago, and all the stuff that usually runs
between 2am-4am ran just fine Sunday and today (Monday); these machines have
all been up at least 2 weeks (each).

One system, in particular, is quite obnoxious about its incessant search for
"old" .nfs* files and both the noise and the LEDs alerted me that all was
normal!  :-)

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: INTERNET AND WORKLOAD ??? PLEASE !!!
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<254@sleepy.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 08:18:20 GMT

 RH> == Robert Harker <harker@harker.com>
 MA> == Mark Allyn <allyn@sleepy.UUCP> 

 RH> Secure this machine, maybe even following the steps to convert it
 RH> into a firewall router.  Put it into a public place and let you
 RH> user go to the isolated workstation

 MA> Are you not contradicting yourself here? You say to secure the machine
 MA> as much as possible. That's fine. 

 MA> Next you say put the machine in a public place. You just undid all
 MA> the hard work you did in securing the darn thing. Anyone who can
 MA> get their mitts on the system box or the console has free license
 MA> to do anything.

If you're not concerned with your local users, that *is* fine; the
original poster just wanted to keep the Internet's random "hey let's
bash on a system" types out.

Simple example: many companies don't bother trying to over-secure their
local Ethernets, because they have "enough" physical security.  Other
sites, like MIT, know they don't have physical security on their
Ethernets, and use Kerberos or the like to make up for it...
--
Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org> |    INTERESTING DEFINITIONS DEPARTMENT:
System Manager & Postmaster     |  "An editor comes with a guarantee and a
Electronic Frontier Foundation  |    toll free customer service number."
+1 617 864 0665  NIC: [CKD1]    |  -P. Hallam-Baker <hallam@zws009.desy.de>
From: tom@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (kieronski tom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.0 to bundle C after all?
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:40:20 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology


	I have heard a rummor that GCC for Solaris might be distributed
	on the CD-ROM. The GCC is supposed to be developed/modified 
	specifically for Solaris 2.0.

	Anyone out can confirm/deny this ?

TMK
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From: rc@netarch.com (Ran-Chi Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Dumps failing on a Maxtor 1.7GB disk
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:54:07 GMT
Organization: Network Architecture Consulting

We recently added a Maxtor 1.7GB SCSI disk to a SPARCstation 2 running
SunOS 4.1.1 Rev B and created 2 filesystems on it.

The disk is a Maxtor Panther P1 SCSI drive and the format command reports:

	sd2: <Maxtor P1-17S cyl 1816 alt 2 hd 19 sec 83>

We have also patched the kernel with the following patch:

	Patch-ID# 100343-04
	Keywords: 1GB greater, disk, gigabyte
	Synopsis: SunOS 4.1.1: sd.o patch to access scsi drive capacity
	                       beyond 1GB.
	Date: 11/05/91 
 
	SunOS release: 4.1.1
 
	Topic: 1.3GB Disk Drive Enhancement

Everything looks good except when we try to do a full dump with an
Exabyte EXB-8200 8mm tape drive.

Dump complains and produces the following error messages:

	DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Thu Apr  9 01:07:31 1992
	DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
	DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd2f (/usr/local) to /dev/nrst0
	DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
	DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
	DUMP: estimated 262044 blocks (127.95MB) on 0.07 tape(s).
	DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
	DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
	DUMP: Tape write error 200 feet into tape 1
	DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Do you want to restart?: ("yes" or "no") 
	DUMP: NEEDS ATTENTION: Do you want to restart?: ("yes" or "no") 

The following messages were also generated to /dev/console:

	esp0: Current command timeout for Target 2 Lun 0
	sd2:    SCSI transport failed: reason 'reset': retrying command
	sd0:    SCSI transport failed: reason 'reset': retrying command
	esp0:	Target 3 now Synchronous at 4.0 mb/s ma<3>zs0: silo overflow
	x<3>zs0: silo overflow
 	 transmit rate
	st0:	Error for command 'write', Error Level: 'Fatal'
    		Block: 1042
    		Sense Key: Unit Attention
	esp0:	Target 1 now Synchronous at 3.334 mb/s max transmit rate

Dumps on the other disk drives on the system were completed without
any problems.

Since we purchased the drive, we have been unable to do dumps of any
sort on the Maxtor 1.7GB drive.

If any netters have any suggestions as to what we can try, we'd really
appreciate it very much.

Perhaps we need to be putting other patches onto the system ? Because
of some proprietary software, we are unable to upgrade to SunOS 4.1.2.

As we do not access this newsgroup very often, please email your
responses. We'll summarize and post a follow-up message in due course.

Thanks for your help !

-rc
-- 
--
Ran-Chi Huang                                               rc@netarch.com
Network Architecture Consulting., Fremont, CA                   netarch!rc
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From: mike@shemesh.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: f77 1.4 segmentation fault
Date: 13 Apr 1992 22:51:50 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.63

On some sparcstation (sunos 4.1.1) workstations, I'm getting
this from pretty mundane fortran code (see below).  Does
anyone see this?  I only see it on some workstations (natch,
mine is one!).  But I can't detect any pattern to which ones
work & which ones don't ... most machines are running the
same general software, fortan & sunos.   Any ideas?  How can
I get f77pass1 to produce a core dump so I can at least try
to trace its problem?   Thanks, ==mwh

Script started on Mon Apr 13 15:45:58 1992
{shemesh:1} f77 -v -g -c theta.for
/usr/lang/SC1.0/f77pass1 -g "-P -cg87" theta.for /tmp/f77pass1.07767.s.0.s /tmp/f77pass1.07767.i.1.s /tmp/f77pass1.07767.d.2.s
theta.for:
        theta:

Compiler error line 4 of theta.for: Segmentation fault
rm /tmp/f77pass1.07767.s.0.s
rm /tmp/f77pass1.07767.i.1.s
rm /tmp/f77pass1.07767.d.2.s
Compilation failed
{shemesh:2} exit
script done on Mon Apr 13 15:46:07 1992

Here's what did this:

      DOUBLE PRECISION FUNCTION THETA(X)
*     Compute the angle (never negative) between X and the vertical.
c
      DOUBLE PRECISION  X(3), LENGTH, NORM
c
      LENGTH = NORM(X)
      IF( LENGTH.EQ.0.D0)  THEN
         WRITE(*,9000)
 9000    FORMAT(//' ERROR: The angle made with the vertical is undefined
     |' / ' because the length of the vector is zero.'
     |  / ' The angle will be set equal to zero.')
         THETA = 0
         RETURN
      ELSE
         THETA  = ACOS( X(1) / LENGTH)
      ENDIF

      RETURN
      END

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy))
Subject: All ports busy
Organization: The Department For Doing Departmental Things
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:02:10 GMT

System: sparc 2 running SUNOS 4.1.1.

I suspect that this is a FAQ but I haven't seen it anywhere.  Sometimes, for no apparent
reason, the serial port we are using to communicate with our modem gets hung up.  There
is no process running on the part (at least not one that is visible to ps) and I can't
see anything wrong with the /dev entry for the port.  However, when I try to make any
kind of connection to the device I get the "All ports busy" message.  

I've found that the only way to clear this message is to reboot the system, which can
be rather annoying since it is our server and it basically brings everyone down for about
10-15 minutes.  I've had to do this several times over the past year or so (its never
been so frequent that its become a real problem) and I've finally gotten tired of it enough
to try to find out what the hell is going on.

Is there some better way to clear this problem?  What is causing it?

(btw, I've seen this message at other times with ports that we used to communicate with
other devices so its not just a problem with the modem).
-- 
Chris Andersen (..!uunet!sequent!toontown!chris)

"...the only thing worse than being hurt is being bored." -- Daniel Mocsny
From: jel8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jason E Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: No graphics screen on my 3/60 (A virtual X server) HELP!
Summary: ME TOO!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:39:43 GMT
Organization: _Spectator_, Columbia University

In article <haines.703339262@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu> haines@pixel.nhn.uoknor.edu (Mark Haines) writes:
:I just finished compiling X11R5 for my Sun 3/60 and the problem I was hoping
:would go away doesn't. Ever since I started way back when with the
:installation of SunOS 4.1.1 on the 3/60 when I first got it, I haven't gotten
:anything graphical to work on it. No sunview, no openwindows, no X11R4, and
:now no X11R5. The kernel is generic and includes the drivers for everything.
:   Now here's the wierd part. I can run anything on it. It just never shows
:up. That's right, X runs and I can open xterms,etc on the display. I just can
:see the "display". It's still stuck in text more. Anyone have any ideas?
:If so, send them to --> haines@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu

I am going to install SunOS 4.1.1 Rev B onto my Sun 3/60 this weekend, and
would appreciate it if anyone who figures this out passes the knowledge
along to me.  If I have any troubles, I'll let y'all know.... and if I
don't, I'll let y'all know, too..... Thanks in advance.

			Jason Levine


  ____/|   +-------------------------------+  California: Every couple of
  \ o.O|   |  Jason Levine                 |   years, God tips America on
   =(_)=   |  jel8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu  |   its side, and everything not
     U     +-------------------------------+   bolted down slides there.
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From: miss059@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Pug)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Gift of the gods...
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:13:21 GMT
Organization: Pug's Pub and Pleasure Palace

Morning all. I got what I guess can be called a gift, although I doubt I
feel that way for very long. We have a Sun 3/50 and a Sun 3/60 that the
CS dept is just using to play around with and to allow users to learn
more varied of things. Well my gift was System Admin. Since I currently
have the probably the widest variety of experience with computer, I got
this oh so wonderful of offer. I think my own stupity of asking for it
after creating my own account had something to do with it as well. What
I'm looking for is information on how to do somethings that if you've
never had to do them it's difficult to figure out. We are hopefully
getting a full set of manuals sometime and no one is really sure where
the operators manual is, although we supposedly have it. Also, with the
possiblity of not begin able to afford a full set, what would be the
best books to get in order to run the silly machine? I'm needing things
like how to make backups, how to look at all the tapes we've got to see
what's on them, etc. It's going to be a wonderful, but probably
frutstrating, learning experience for me. Any and all help would be
appreciated!

Take care.

-- 
Richard Bainter          Mundanely     |       "Teachers are supposed to
Phelim Utred Gervas      Society       |        teach you *HOW* to learn 
Pug                      Generally     |        not *WHAT* to learn."   
  miss059@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu  |  pug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  |  pug@wixer.UUCP