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From: IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (W. Roland Gehrels)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: NBC's family stories
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:42:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Sorry if I missed anybody complaining about this before but what REALLY
gets on my nerves in NBC's coverage is all the family background you
get on all the athletes. This one has a father who just had a triple
bypass, that one has a veeeery speeeeecial relaaaationship with her
boyfriend because of his heart problems, this victory is for his
mother who passed away. YUUUUUUUK.
Why is this? CBS did the same thing during the winter olympics. I am
from Holland and used to a focus on the athletic achievement of the
athlete. I never feel that I am watching a sports event, but merely
a documentary. Take the women's bicycling road race. Every excitement
was taken away by background stories (I don't even talk about the
commercials). I wish they would show a complete race. You can perhaps
cut up diving by showing a few dives at the time, but not a bike race.
Only coverage of sports that are popular in the States like basketball
are good to watch because of continuity. There is no difference with
watching a race from the Olympics 20 or 40 years ago. I never get the
feeling that what I am watching happened today. Tape delay does not
have to be a problem to get the "live" feeling (basketball and
swimming are good examples) Although the victory of Morales was clearly
overdramatized. It is embarrasing to watch Bob Costas (was it him)
druel when he askes Pablo what was said between him and his father
during their hug. NBC tries everything to show the human face of the
athlete. They clearly overdo it. Give me a bucket.

Roland Gehrels
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From: genius@lut.fi (Juha Korhonen)
Subject: Kenyan T&F
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 08:13:58 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


I'm looking for a list of Kenyan runners qualified to the olympics.
I already had a list of 'good guesses' but I lost it somewhere.

Juha K.

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From: mamohamm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL)
Subject: nbc
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:08:04 GMT

Saw some digusting piece of shit on the beep yesterday.
nbc calls it the olympic coverage. All I saw was Americans
winning and families and then them recieving medals, as if
if the American won the silver than that's the only medal
awarded. 
Bad swimming pool angles and poor coordination.
Mr. Bob 'the pop' Costas cosntantly reminding of the end
of the Unified Nations (former Soviet Union) reign on
the gymnastics after these Olympics.

Agree with somebody, who said ABC would have done a much
better job.

regards
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From: dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:06:21 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Reston, VA

In article <1992Jul28.205320.14639@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, rajah@soda.berkeley.edu (Raja S Kushalnagar) writes:
> I was startled when I noted that baseball was a full-fledged event
> in the Olympics, and had been for quite a while, for it certainly
> does not seem to be `widespread', as required by the Olympic charter.
> (North America, Far East, and that's about it).  And I can think
> of many other sports that are not that widespread either -- e.g.,
[some stuff deleted]

One of the requirements for a sport is that it has a sole governing body, such 
as FIBA for basketball, and FIFA for soccer.  The lack of a sole governing body
is one of the things keeping rugby out of the Olympics - and it's not likely
to change soon.
-- 
                                           Dave Marshall
                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com
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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Gymnastics scoring & math
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:44:27 GMT

Can someone explain to me how many judges' scores count toward each
performance, and to what detail they score (e.g., "9.9", "9.95", or
"9.973")?  I find the precision used to be a bit hard to swallow.
If each judge scores to 3 significant digits ("9.93"), then the total
should only go to 3 significant digits.  Example:  two judges.  If
scoring is to 2 digits, then a 9.9 and a 9.8 would total to either
9.9 or 9.8, depending on how you deal with .5 (round up or truncate
down).  If scoring it to 3 digits, then a 9.90 and a 9.80 would
total 9.85.  The only way I can see justifying a score like 9.926
is if each judge scores to 1/1000 of a point.  That, however, is
ludicrous, since (IMHO) human senses just can't differentiate such
small values (1 part in 10,000?!?  Even in swimming, they only go
to 1/100 of a second, because they acknowledge that even automatic
timing systems can be affected by factors (width of timing pad, for
example) which have effects greater than 1/1000 of a second.  The idea
of .012 out of ~40 points separating first and second in the women's
individual finals just seems silly, and contrary to "good numbering".

Rachele, can you fill me in?
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: RE: Skopjians in hte Olympics[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dth[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:46:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.

>       :
>       :
> Everybody knows that falsification is your national passtime but this time you
> also proved that stupidity is your national virtue! The original message of
> Mr. Sakellariou, to which you supposedly "reply" by falsifying its content
> (as only a true Skopjian would do) states:
>       :
>       :
> 
> network rules but you also try to insult our intelligence, proving beyond
> doubt that whatever Skopjians say cannot be trusted, even when it comes to
>       :
>       :
> 
> (I would like to apologize from the rest of the rec.sport.olympics readers for
> deviating from the olympic topics in my reply but propaganda against one's
> country with dirty lies and below the belt hits cannot be left unanswered).

        So where do you derive the justification to apply criticism in a
        blanket fashion to all people of Skopje ?  Makes it sound like
        propagaganda to me.  I don't know of the merit in your points on the
        subject of Skopje, but by the attitude of your posting, you have lost
        my respect for them, and have demeaned yourself.  I am sure that many
        on the net will accord your opinions the amount of credibility that
        would be deserved by any pronouncements made by racists, for that is
        surely what you have shown yourself to be.  
        
> 
> Anthony Stefanidis 
> Ohio State 
> ----------

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results
Summary: how a gymnast qualifies to all-around finals
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:41:41 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.040837.12910@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.020013.29090@rice.edu> I write:
>>Zmeskal is now in danger of even qualifying for the all-around... only
>>three per country may go.  Miller, Betty Okino, Kerri Strug, and
>>Dominique Dawes are all ahead of Zmeskal.
>>
>Rachele, 
>
>Perhaps you could post how the qualification works for the all-around
>individual finals and also the event finals.  Are they based on the current
>competition too, and are they also country based (i.e. number of gymnasts
>per country as opposed to best n gymnasts overall)?
>
>--Robyn

All-Around qualification is as follows:
A gymnast's total score is computed by the sum of all eight/twelve
routines performed in the team competition... four compulsory, four
optional for women, six C and six O for men.  This total score is then
compared with that of all the other competitors.  The top 36 gymnasts
qualify (out of 96 competing).  However, only three gymnasts per
country may advance to finals... when some have to be "removed" (this
always happens to the top nations), the officials continue down the
list until reaching the magic 36, with no more than 3 per country.  If
a tie occurs, they break the tie based on the optional total.

Event finals:
A gymnast's compulsory and optional scores from the team competition
are added, and the top eight qualify with no more than two per nation.
Again, the officials continue down the list until they have eight
competitors, and a tie is broken by the optional score.

The reason for all this madness:
There are two reasons.  One, the weaker gymnastics nations enforce
this rule so that their gymnasts can do better.  Two, the judging in
gymnastics is admittedly biased, and rather than fix the judging, the
FIG (Federation of International Gymnastics) attempts to fix the
effects of the judging.  When the teams are competing optionals, they
compete in reverse order of their finish in the compulsories.  So, the
Chinese, Romanians, Americans, and Unified Team-ese/ians/ites will
compete in the last round on Tuesday night.  It is a given that scores
inflate in the later sessions in general, and sometimes outstanding
routines from earlier sessions are overlooked.  The judges need to
"save room" in case they see something better later on, and if they
don't, they think "oh well, if no one's going to do better than this
one, I'll score her/him well."  So scores tend to be higher regardless
of performance.  This gives the 4th or 5th gymnast on a power team the
advantage over the best of a weaker one.

New-life finals... one should note that once a gymnast makes it to
finals (all-around or event), he/she starts over from a score of zero.
This went into effect in 1989.  So, if Zmeskal can make it past her
teammates, she still has a chance to do well, maybe even gold.

Rachele
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Is it cut and dry? Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:26:44 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Jul28.141306.22466@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>
>Atleast we can say that us Americans weren't as rude as our international
>stereotype for once.

That's right!  Samuelson got those two yellow (one red) cards for
excessively polite behavior.:-)

j n a
From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Gymnastics scoring & math
Summary: the hell of gymnastics scoring
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:34:20 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Jul31.144427.22352@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>Can someone explain to me how many judges' scores count toward each
>performance, and to what detail they score (e.g., "9.9", "9.95", or
>"9.973")?  I find the precision used to be a bit hard to swallow.

You ask a lot of questions!  I will try my best to make it clear, but
scoring is an inherently confusing process...

(OK, fasten your seatbelts!...)

- A judge can score out to the five-hundredths.  ie, he can assign a
score of 10, 9.95, 9.90, 9.85, etc.

- There are six judges for each apparatus.

- The high and low scores are dropped, and the middle four averaged.

- If the range of the middle four exceeds a certain number, a chief
judge's score (not one of the above six) is used to arbitrate.

- The scores go out to four digits although for some unknown reason
the FIG chooses to drop the last digit (always either a 5 or a 0),
which in some cases has meant the difference between 1st and 2nd place.
This is very controversial and might be changed in the near future.

Rachele
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: WRESTLING: preview
Keywords: wrestling, olympics, freestyle, greco-roman
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 05:47:39 GMT
Expires: 10 Aug 92


[Excerpts taken from "The Complete Book of the Olympics"]

International amateur wrestling follows a complicated system of
scoring. Beginning in 1984, matches of two three-minute rounds
replaced matches of three three-minute rounds. As a match progresses,
contestants score points as a result of successful holds, positions of
advantage, and near-throws. A match is terminated as a result of a
fall or if one wrestler achieves a 12-point lead. If the six-minute
mark is reached without a fall or 12-point lead, the wrestler with the
most points is declared the winner. Through 1984, in case of a tie,
the victory was awarded to the contestant who achieved the highest
scoring move or who scored the last point. In 1988, a sudden death
overtime period was introduced.

Each man is then assigned a certain number of points for the match
according to the following chart. Until 1984, scoring was done with a
negative or "bad" points rather than positive points.

    4       win by fall
    4       win by 12 or more points
    4       win by passivity - winner uncautioned
    3.5     win by 8-11 points
    3       win by less than 8 points
    3       win by passivity - winner cautioned once
    2       win by passivity - winner cautioned twice
    1       lose by less than 8 points
    0.5     lose by 8-11 points
    0       lose by 12 or more points
    0       withdrawl due to injury
    0       lose by passivity
    0       lose by fall
    0       lose by disqualification (the most common cause being
            passivity or lack of aggressiveness)

There are 10 weight classes in both Freestyle and Greco-Roman
wrestling:

     48kg   light flyweight
     52kg   flyweight
     57kg   bantamweight
     62kg   featherweight
     68kg   lightweight
     74kg   welterweight
     82kg   middleweight
     90kg   light heavyweight
    100kg   heavyweight
    130kg   super heavyweight

Participants in each weight class are divided by lot into two pools. A
wrestler is eliminated from competition by two defeats. When all but
three wrestlers in a group have been eliminated, the survivors engage
in a round robin to determine first, second, and third. The winners of
the two pools meet for the championship. The runners-up meet for third
and fourth place and the third place finishers in each pool meet to
decide the fifth and sixth place. In 1988, a "B" final was instituted
to determine seventh place. Before 1984, tournaments were organized
differently, using final round-robin rounds instead of single matches
for first, third and fifth places.

In Greco-Roman wrestling the use of the legs is prohibited, and no
holds may be made below the hips. The system of scoring is the same as
in freestyle wresatling.

    --mack

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:55:33 -0400 
From: Dong Yup Lee <dl37+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Request: Volleyball Results
    <1992Jul30.092546.16955@ecst.csuchico.edu>
	<1992Jul30.100830.6687@ms.uky.edu>

Can someone post these? Especially the U.S. Men's and Women's, and the
S. Korea Men's. Thanx Dudes!!


Dong Yup Lee
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From: GLETTY@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu ("Bruce E. Gletty")
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.212039.29442@tfs.com>
tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon) writes:
 
>In article <BrsxA0.IDH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
>
>>Actually the USA was one of a very small number of countries (2 or 3) to
>>vote AGAINST allowing the NBA players into the olympics. The rest of the
>>world WANTS the NBA in the olympics. Originally our college players did
>
>That doesn't make sense. No other countries "vote" on how each of the USA
>National Governing Bodies (NGBs) run their sport. Each NGB for each sport
>in the USA decides for themselves the status of the the athletes particpating,
>with the USOC providing different levels of guidelines along the way.
>
I think each international federation decides on wether or not to allow
pros. FEBA (basketball) just voted to allow the NBA. I have been told,
but have not been able to confirm that FIFA (soccer) does not allow
former world cup people into the olympics. Individual countries get to
select their teams anyway they want within the federation rules.
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From: jyct@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (John Yew Choong THAM)
Subject: Golf??
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:16:14 GMT

Hi,
	Just wondering if the prospect of golf becoming a future Olympic
	sport is likely?  Has this been discussed in the past?  If they 
	can do it for tennis ...
John.
From: dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympian Baseball !!??
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:31:24
Organization: Computer Scientists Against the Oppression of Crutons
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: tw@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU's message of Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:56:32 GMT

In article <9220914.12010@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, 
	tw@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Thomas Weichert) writes:

   With a shudder I just read that of all sports Baseball has now
   gone olympic, What in the world......?
   Not that I don't like Baseball, but it is not really the type 
   of game one would expect to be played at Olympics, since it has 
   so little following in the larger part of the world (= non US).
   Perhaps it goes the same way as basketball, where it took us 
   Non Americans until 1972 to catch up with the idea of Olympic
   Basketball (e.g. SU winning against US in Munich)??!

Baseball is popular in other parts of the world too, chiefly southeast
Asia and Latin America.  Lotsa players in the US major leagues come
from Venezuela and the Dominican Republic, for example.  Japan has
their own professional league, as does Taiwan.  And it's a running
joke in the US how the Taiwanese always win the Little League (10-12
year olds, I believe) World Series.

In fact, the US is rarely favored in Olympic competition because
there's very little amateur ball here once you get past 18 or so.
Most of the really good players get signed to professional minor
league contracts either right out of high school or after one or two
years in college.

David Paschich
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From: s8824538@macfie.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Peter Bayliss)
Subject: Re: Summer Olympics trivia
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:53:34 GMT


I can't tell you the name of the guy who won 10 gold medals, but 
I can give you his life story:

He suffered from polio as a child, but recovered.
His sports were standing jump events, 
ie standing long, high, and triple jump
in 3 Olympics, 1904, 1908, & 1912.

Can anyone do better than that?


Peter Bayliss
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-M's 4x200m Freestyle Relay
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:03:22 GMT

SWIMMING - Men's 4x200m Freestyle Relay FINAL
=============================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		7:12.51
Olympic Record		7:12.51

 
Gold	UNIFIED TEAM		EUN	7:11.95		New WR, New OR
Silver	SWEDEN			SWE	?
Bronze	UNITED STATES		USA	?
------
4	GERMANY			GER	?
5	ITALY			ITA	?
6	GREAT BRITAIN		GBR	?
7	BRAZIL			BRZ	?

Disq	AUSTRALIA		AUS			Disqualified 

Disqualification for a broken change with PERKINS, Kieren (AUS).

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC :- State owned telecast :-)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:23:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul30.173129.15666@cc.gatech.edu> kamal@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>I would like to get a good picture of what is going in all the 
>events in olympics. Not just swimming, diving and the dream team.

You people who think this don't seem to have any idea how big the
Olympics are.  It is, quite simply, impossible to show what's happening
in ALL sports without showing only tiny snippets of each of them.
So you have a choice:  Do you want to see tiny segments of all sports
(i.e. the goals in soccer, the last few meters of the swimming races),
or do you want to see substantial portions of a selected few events?
NBC decided to concentrate on those events of most interest to Americans,
and in those events they've covered quite a lot:  swimming, diving,
women's gymnastics, basketball, even volleyball in the late night show.
You can say that you're not as interested in these sports as in some
others, and of course I'd agree with you here -- everybody has some
favorite sports, and some they don't care for.  But if they'd
show every sport the complaint, rightly so, would be that they were
showing nothing in its entirety.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: thorn@diku.dk (Peter Tjornsted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TEAM HANDBALL: preview
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:15:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Sweden Beat Czekoslovakia(sp?) 20 - 14 in their first match.
Brazil and Egypt both lost by only one point!

Peter alias thorn@freja.diku.dk
From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: CYCLING: TTT & WIRR - additional info (correction)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:08:11 GMT
Organization: MD Anderson Cancer Center

I just got this correction (from the original author) to the info I forwarded this 
morning.  He realized that he miscalculated the climb of the WIRR course.  
ooops!  I didnUt even think to check it.

>From: Bernd.Kischnik@cdc2.ifum.maschinenbau.uni-hannover.dbp.de
>They showed a diagram on TV which showed the steepest hill
>on the course: if that was correct, they had to climb
>a 1.1 km long, 7% steep ascent every round, which makes
>for an 80m climb each round, pretty flat.
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From: s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:51:35 GMT


I just thought I'd make the point the the archer is the Paralympic Gold medal
holder..

Enjoy the games.....

Paul
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