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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Kid Gloves - the history
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:51:54 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The rational midnight star


Here it is, the not-at-all-awaited history of the Kid Gloves. 

The term "handle with kid gloves" has its roots in England, where 
the wealthy used to wear fingerless gloves. Since such gloves were
useless to the ones who actually laboured, the working class called
these gloves "false" or "kidding" gloves. To treat (handle) with
kid gloves meant to treat gently, but the term was used mockingly,
since the working class didn't think they were treated gently at
all, regardless of what the aristocracy claimed. 
Today, the term has lost its negative connotation.

I think Neil knows this piece of history. The lyric is very good.

--
Tero Valkonen
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Sep6.051038.25108@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Sep6.143752.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:36:00

In article <1992Sep6.143752.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

	   So, alt.music.rush'ers, when is our first Rush Convention
   going to be .. and WHERE?  (Toronto?)

Any day will do. In Helsinki. Or anywhere, supposing that someone is
willing to pay the flight ticket. Students have no money. 



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Tero Valkonen
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Kid Gloves
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Sep4.184230.17682@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:22:28

In article <1992Sep4.184230.17682@Csli.Stanford.EDU> mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:

   In <D40374W.92Sep3223340@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:

   >able guy. Some of the lines would imply that he knows the history of the
   >term "kid gloves" quite well. "Anger got bare knuckles" is the clearest
   >indication of this. The funny thing about the lyric is that you don't have
   >to know anything about the "kidding gloves" and the history of them, but
   >if you do, it adds a whole new dimension. 

   Could you fill us in on the history a bit?

With pleasure, but not right now. I've got some things to work on right
now, but I'll promise to write a small article about the history this
weekend. I hope that will do. Ok?

--
Tero Valkonen
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Keywords: Presto
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:53:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep10.173016.29068@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> proth@sparc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip Roth) writes:

>Presto IS a decent album, and is a welcome
>departure from the HYF disc.

For me, _HYF_ was the zenith! But I enjoyed the variety of arrangements
to be found on _Presto_...

>Presto is like a big power transformer: there's
>a lot of energy there, humming and buzzing, but
>no life.  Lots of steel and cables, but no
>organic material; not much to grow attached to.
>One of the exceptions, for me, is "Available Light."

Yes, when I read the first sentence I instantly thought ``what about
Available Light!''. I don't know how attachments grow with various
people, but I venture that many like ``The Pass'' alot; I myself
have a special attachment to ``Chain Lightning'' which, incidentally,
I consider also to be a great `experimental' song (having as it 
does a time-reversed guitar solo and an unusual rhythmic approach) 
in the tradition of ``Vital Signs'' and ``The Body Electric''.

>Now, why is the album lifeless?  Is it the lyrics?  music?
>My vote is for production.  Many people mention that the
>songs from Presto sound much better live.  Perhaps the
>producer ( wasn't it Rupert Hine? ) wasn't able to capture
>all the life-energy that Rush exhibits in their shows.

What is it about the production that makes the album seem
lifeless? I think that the factor that gives the
album a bit of a chill (which I think of as different
from `lifelessness' but the closest thing to it that I
could find in _Presto_) is Geddy's vocals. I wouldn't
consider the album `lifeless' though, certainly not any
more than _Permanent Waves_ (which BTW also has a black
and white color)...



Gregg


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Dept(s). of Physics (and Philosophy)      ------------    (_) \|\|  Trystero?
Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 ---------------------
From: scottm@intime.intime.COM (Scott Michel)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dream theatre..
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:41:08 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Organization: IntelliMED Corporation, Santa Monica, CA

In article <MD2946.92Sep9171210@thor.albany.edu> md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson) writes:
>I think that I have I heard of dream thetre before, but cannot remember who is
>in the band...Can anyone name all the members for me?
>
>
>On a different subject I was listening to the studio version of a passage to
>bangkok the other day and maybe i imagined this, but i swear during one break
>in the rythymn it sounds like somebody is taking a drag....I dont think i am 
>crazy because I pointed out the part to someone else and they agreed.
>LIsten close and tell me what you think

It's not anything new, it's been there since I had the vinyl years ago. What
do you think the "Passage to Bankok" is, aboard a Thailand Express? Hell, we
used this particular album to start our recreating at college, carefully
synchronized to that spot in the album. If you haven't figured it out, talk 
to the folks in alt.drugs.silly.questions.

>
>
>Mike
>--
>Michael Director                         "All the world's indeed a stage and
>588 Madison Ave.                          we are merely players, performers 
>Albany, N.Y 12208                         and portrayers, each another's 
>                                          audience outside the gilded cage.."
>                                                  --Neil Peart
>                                            

-scottm
From: tanaka@ogwani.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: sloppy joe
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:14:00 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Japan


In article <1992Sep2.174444.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes...
>> Sorry I can't say the same for anything on ASOH. It's their one live
>> album I just don't like very much -- too sloppy. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
>> So many newsgroups, so little time...
>> 
> 
>	So what do you mean by "sloppy"?  Technical mistakes?
> 
>Thomas Beaudoin
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:00:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <New6qB9w165w@eebbs.isis.org> ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin) writes:
>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>> I think this is likely not a problem except in Que'bec. The best of the
>> proposed alternatives, IMHO...

>I've never heard of anyone (including Quebec) that celebrates
>Bastille Day.  ;-)

Wimps! If there had been beheadings during the American revolution
we'd celebrate them! (oX|;)  (smiley with a pirate's hat)

Gregg

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Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 ---------------------
From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Summary: St. Louis, 1980, "Temples of the Syrinx"
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:10:31 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


	RE: the radio show/bootleg of the 1980 St. Louis Show, there is no 
Discovery on it. (I wish....) And it is on vinyl, at least the only copy I
ever got my hands on was.

IF it's on CD by now, let us all know, by all means.

Frank Sellin
==============
"Everybody need induced insanity..."
--just a little bastardization of Vital Signs...
==============
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 16:58:12 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva) writes:

> As far as cost to get to NY + all the above advantages, I think we have found
> our place!

Who's 'we'?

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From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RUSH CD INTERVIEW?????????
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:32:43 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology


	The CD in question is called "The Story of Kings" on the Baktabak
label.  It is the same interview that was released on vinyl some 5 years
ago as a 12" picture disc.  It is a personal interview with Alex just after
the release of Hold Your Fire.  A copy of the interview is on syrinx.umd.edu
in the rush/special directory.
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Who wants a useless Rush item?
Organization: The rational midnight star
Distribution: alt
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:26:12


Argh. I happened to get two "European tour '83" Rush postcards, and I'm
happy to give the other one away to anyone who is interested. The
postcard looks not very much different from the picture inside the ESL
CD. Well, actually it does. It's a combination of AFTK, 2112 and MP
covers. 

So, the first one to email me his home address will get the postcard. 
Or, in case someone has money to spend on a decent quality tape (I
know tapes cost almost nothing in the US) and send me a bootleg, that
person will be the one to get the card. 

Oh, I also have one Misplaced Childhood (Marillion) postcard to give
away. The abovementioned rules apply to this, too. 

(I'm keeping the tradition of silly postings alive quite well..)
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
From: jhughes@gauss.WPI.EDU (Jason C. Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:55:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.wpi.edu

In article <goo.716426196@cwis> goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:
>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>
>Up yours!  :-)
>
>I was trying to /avoid/ detailing why I don't like them.  I just wanted to
>finally express an opinion on the subject, since I had never heard them.
>The main point of my message was to suggest a possible activity for the
>convention, which makes your response to an off-hand remark in my post the
>/real/ "total waste of bandwidth."
>
>But, since you seem to want to hear me put Primus down so badly, I guess I
>absolutely MUST list my reasons for disliking them...
>	1. I don't like "non-music," which is their "type of music."
>	2. I can't comment on the lyrics, because I couldn't understand
>	   any of them.  Typical of live shows, though...
>	3. None of them showed any talent.  A decent musician could have
>	   played any of the parts of their songs with 2 fingers.
>	4. Songs were boring and repetitive.
>	5. Movement on stage was boring and repetitive.
>	6. I was waiting to see U2!
>
>No need to reply, as you obviously don't agree with any of those points...
>
>goo


Now that I see what is being said, I think it's not so bad a reflection on the
Rush fans as a whole as it is on U2 fans, that people can be so closed minded
to varied musics.  Just because a person is a Rush fan doesn't make that person
a delegated representative of the whole.  Somehow, I think that there are a
lot of people devoted to the music and ideals of Rush without being necessarily
closed to external things.  I don't think the subject of Primus' good or bad
points are relevent to the discussion at all--it's just a lack of good taste
on either or both of your parts that brings it to light.

The Panther!
-- 
[)---->  "What proof can they exhibit that may show it's not too late?
[)---->   It's time to feed the dragon, but our lives' are on the plate."
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil Peart Tama promo banner/1982
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:01:32 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <Bu49Gv.753@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin F Hulme) writes:

>Hello. I am a Rush fan who is seeking the promo wall tapestry GIVEN to buyers
>of Tama drumkits in 1982, featuring Neil Peart. It is a picture of him, 
>playing on his Red Tama kit, on sort of a floating platform, in a lake of
>sorts. If anyone owns one or knows someone who owns one, please respond to
>me. I am willing to pay a big sum for a good quality banner. Thanks.


Me too. I had a handle on one myself once and then some guy (who had
a job when I didn't) beat me to it! I'm still dying to get one...


Thanks to anyone who'll put one (or two?) on the net market!

Gregg



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Gregg Jaeger    (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu)     | Tristero?   ______/|/|  Treestero?
Dept(s). of Physics (and Philosophy)      ------------    (_) \|\|  Trystero?
Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 ---------------------
From: smsst8+@pitt.edu (Steven M Scholnick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush boot catalog
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:15:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  I've been interested in a boot catalog of Rush, but no one has seem to 
compile it, yet.  What a shame?  When I go to get a boot, I feel much 
more comfortable knowing something about.  So, I've decided to compile a 
Rush CD boot catalog.  I do not own any Rush CD boots ( I know its a 
crime :-) ).  

  Will anyone who has a Rush boot on CD, please send me info about it.  
I would like the following (if possible):  where & when, song list, 
total time, sound quality, and any comments.  Thanx...
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|                             |                                          |
| Steve Scholnick             |  I don't believe in Destiny              |
| steves@vms.cis.pitt.edu     |  or the guiding hand of fate             |
| steves@theory.chem.pitt.edu |  I don't believe in the stars or planets |
|                             |  or angels watching from above           |
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From: cgrishaw@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris M. Grishaw)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Live performances
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


    IMHO I have always liked the live performance of Spirit of the Radio
    versus the album version, you hear certain things that you do not hear on
    the album, for instance towards the end of Spirit of the Radio on ESL you
    hear Neil follow Geddy's riff's with the bass drum, quite amazing! anybody
    know what I am talking about?
    H
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Keywords: rush, convention
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:20:18 GMT

In article <BuFE1s.Ip@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fultonja@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Andy Fulton) writes:
>   I, too vote Toronto for the convention.  I live pretty far away, but I have
> wanted to make a "pligrimage" there fore some time, just to see the home which
> nurtured the Greatest Band In Existence into being.  I, for one, would be
> willing to go this great distance to congregate with hundreds (thousands?) of
> other Rush fans.

	You call that far away (Perdue)? I live around 2500-3000 miles from toronto (Portland, OR),  
but I'd be more than happy to journey there for a Rush meeting. (Before some international fan  
tries to one up me on the farther away thing, I'm just making a comparison). However, I just can't  
see spending several hundred dollars and a few days to go to New York (and where in New York  
anyway). My vote is to do this in the summer. July or August would be best. If we try to do this  
during spring break or fall break, many colleges vacations don't line up. We should start  
organizing this soon and see if the group just might want to drop by...
--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Reed College #611			
3203 SE Woodstock Blvd			
Portland, OR 97202-8199			(NeXTmail OK)
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From: stu5s33@bnr.ca (Robert Nychka)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convent
Reply-To: stu5s33@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:03:19 GMT

I also vote for Toronto.  It IS their birthplace after all.
One thing that isn't being discussed, WHEN !?
 
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Robert Nychka                               | "The Universe has been           stu5s33@bnr.ca                              |  around for a long time, 
                                            |  it will stay around a 
                                            |  couple of days"
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
Subject: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:46:49 GMT

Although my subject line may imply that I want Primus to play at the suggested
convention, believe me, I don't.

I just got back from the U2 concert in Ames, Iowa, and believe it or not, one
of their opening bands was Primus.

Primus must be one of the worst bands in existance.  They bite.  (I'm avoiding
saying "Primus Sucks" only because I don't want to be misunderstood to mean
that I /like/ them or anything rediculous like that.)

On the latter half of my subject line, one of the "pilgrimages" during the
convention should be to Toronto's Hard Rock Cafe, where all of us (or you if
I don't make it) can very vocally complain about the lack of Rush paraphenalia
in the joint.

goo
From: knee@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Chip "Workin' Man")
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Sep9.144512.17673@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>     Ok.  NYC does have a lot of bootleg stuff, but Toronto has a TON of Rush
>stuff floating around on their streets.  If you're looking for Rush
>paraphernalia you can't beat Toronto.
>
>     This convention might be considered a pilgrimage, so why not hold it in
>the proverbial Mecca?  I vote Toronto.  I know it would be inconvenient for
>many people, but if you're going to do something of this magnitude you might as
>well go all out.
>--
>Paul G. Ackerman III    |   Internet addresses:    |"Life is just a candle,  

I too vote for Toronto, however, for me it is largely out of 
self-interest.  A hop, skip, and a jump away... 

-- Workin' Man
From: rob@eebbs.isis.org (Rob Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:10:32 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> 
> I think this is likely not a problem except in Que'bec. The best of the
> proposed alternatives, IMHO...
> 
> 
> Gregg
> 
May I ask why this would be a problem for our neighbours in Quebec? 
Bastille Day happened in France. To the best of my knowledge it is
not declared a provincial holiday and is not greatly celebrated like 
St. Jean Baptist day or New Years or Christmas.

My vote is for Toronto, in or around Lakeside Park. Time and date.....
....unknown. As long as it does not interfere with exams. 

Rob
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Sep14.022629.28746@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:32:39

In article <1992Sep14.022629.28746@terminator.cc.umich.edu> jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke) writes:

   Come on, now. All these references to Lakeside Park, and suggestions
   for spring and summer dates, and not one true fan has suggested the
   24th of May. It seems to be that we really *must* have it close to this
   date.

Ok, let's make it a Lakeside Park party. Who will bring the pot? ;-)
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wls@cray.csd.uwm.edu (Bill Stapleton)
Subject: Re: NOVA
Reply-To: Bill Stapleton <wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Organization: Computing Services, U of Wisc-Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:37:05 GMT

In article <14503@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.020358.15788@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
> >Anyone have any info about Nova? Supposedly they're Brand Xish,
> >featuring Percy Jones and Full Colons on a few releases.
> 
> I've only heard their first release.  It was pretty good.  Another similar
> band was Marscape.

Picking nits, I believe "Marscape" was the title, ostensibly by Lancaster and
Lumley (Brand X), who also did a version of "Peter and the Wolf".  Lots of
people played on these, I'd have to dig out my albums, as my memory is going.
Phil Collins did some powerful drumming on Marscape, that I remember.

--
Bill Stapleton
     wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
     uwmcsd4!wls
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PFM anybody ????
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep7.135132.17612@cs.tulane.edu> piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart) writes:
>Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17596]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
>
>> Just picked up PFM Live in America and am now in much need of
>> additional PFM. Where to start ??????
>
>Here's a little article on PFM that someone else wrote (I don't know who) that
>I keep for reference.  Hope it helps:

>(article)

Excellent Article ! Up until about two years ago I was under the
impression that "Jet Lag" was the last thing they ever did...then I heard
about "Passpartu". I was in Japan about a year ago and saw "Miss Baker",
then a couple months ago I heard about "Suonare Suonare", now I find out
they have a whole bunch more as well !  Got to add these to my shopping
list !

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
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