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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 08:44:31 CDT
From: <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hmmm Texas to Big 10!!!
 <1992Sep9.181742.22986@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

As a Big 10er twice (Michigan and Illinois), I vote to take Texas, driving
distance nonwithstanding.  Texas is a better fit than the other possibilities,
possibly with the exception of Pitt.  Pitt is not comparable to Big Ten schools
in size, save Northwestern.  But it is fairly well respected academically; Pitt
is a major research institution.  But at the moment, Pitt would likely be a
door mat to Michigan, Penn State, Iowa, OSU, MSU, Illinois, and IU in football,
 and to  everyone in basketball, save Northwestern.  Who are the other
contenders?  Notre Dame says it will never conference, but word on the street
and in South Bend is that ND knows its got to do something for team sports
other than football.  Problem with ND... apart from its geo proximity within
the Big 10, it is not a good fit otherwise. It is not a major research in-
stitution in the tradition of the Big 10 schools; apart from its law school
(which certainly is not on par with those at Michigan, Illinois, Northwestern,
and Iowa), it doesn't have much to offer.  University of Chicago is actually a
better fit in some ways (bring UC back to the Big 10).  So, x ND.  That leaves
Missouri.  Don't know much about MO - enough said.  Besides, the Big 10 already
has the original Block M.  Texas is comparable in size to Big 10 schools, its
public, has a healthy endowment, and is a major research institution.  Yes for
Texas.
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Asians in the NFL
Keywords: n
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:26:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amoco Production

Wasn't there a qb for Tampa called the "Throwin' Samoan"?  Was he really
of Asian decent?  I can't recall his name...

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Re: ND Schedules
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.193937.19086@cs.ucf.edu> Patricia A. Therrien writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.182859.15541@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Susan E
>Schudt  writes:
>>
>>Since there has been discussion on ND schedules, here they are from 1993 to 
>>1997.  From Blue and Gold Illustrated:
>>
>>1993                                1994
>>S4    NORTHWESTERN                  S3    northwestern
>>S11   michigan                      S10   MICHIGAN
>>S18   MICH. STATE                   S17   michigan state
>>S25   purdue                        S24   PURDUE
>>O2    stanford                      O1    STANFORD
>>O9    PITT                          O8    boston college
>>O16   byu                           O15   BYU
>>O23   USC                           O29   NAVY
>>O30   navy                          N12   florida state
>>N13   FLORIDA STATE                 N19   AIR FORCE
>>N20   BOSTON COLLEGE                N26   usc
>>
>>Home games in caps!
>
>Just to let y'all know, the game vs. FSU in 1994 will be played in
>ORLANDO, at the Citrus Bowl (according to the Orlando Sentinel that
>is).
>
Also, all non-home games vs. Northwestern will be played at Chicago's
Soldier Field.

ecw
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Re: Virginia Tech
Keywords: go hokies!  go yellowjackets!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:36:47 GMT

dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:

>> Well, that's what makes the VT-UVa rivalry different.  UVa has not won The
>> Game several years in a row.

>Virginia *has* been rather dominant in the series, though, don't you think?

No.

Apparently this hasn't taken, so I'll say it again.  I'll speak
real slow and use small words so you can understand.

Virginia Tech leads in the series.

the numbers are something like

37-32-5    (they have a 4-5 game lead; these numbers are pretty close)

UVa has won 4 of the last 5.

before that, VT has won about 4 of the last 5.

before last season's pounding, UVa had only won by
1 pt, 3 (?) pts, and 7 pts.  Wins, nonetheless.
But hardly basis for "dominant"

>It isn't UVa...

>	It's  UVA!!!

Hey, I borrowed "UVa" over "UVA" from Charlie. 
Charlie and Jay have already been appointed head UVa woofers,
so I'll believe them.

Michael Nelson
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:29:36 EDT
From: David L. Passmore <DLP@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: QB situation at PSU?
 <1992Sep9.134829.24100@athena.mit.edu> <92253.141539CXC19$@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <92254.013312LNF@psuvm.psu.edu>

Here is the news on the PSU QB situation as of yesterday:

At a QB Club luncheon in State College, JoePa said that Collins is at least
3 weeks away from taking a snap--if everything goes on schedule. Collins is
practicing with the team, making QB decisions at line of scrimmage in
practice, practicing reading defenses, and maintaining general conditioning.

Craig Fayak, the FG kicker, is in the wings, but he is not the choice JoePa
wants to make, although Joe says he is a competent QB. Right now foreign team
is being led by a QB walk-on from Clearfield , PA.

Sacca has a very sore shoulder from a tough hit on a 9 yd run in the Cinci
game. To Joe's surprise, he is able to move the arm and actually lobbed ball
at practice the other day. JoePa says that he may use Sacca in very
particular situations in Temple game, if he needs some of the limited things
Sacca can do with this condition.

Nardolillo and Richardson are 2 QB's left. Joes is letting them compete, but
he said that he will start Richardson. If he has a bad first series, he will
put in N.

Joe seemed really agitated and distracted at the luncheon. He was unhappy
with some of the mental errors that were made in the Cinci game. He said that
he hadn't even begun to look at Temple because he is very concerned about
planning PSU fundamental plan that uses inexperienced QB's. He is worried
about Temple. They drove the ball the length of the field at least 3
times last year. PSU was holding on to a 10-7 lead later in the game when
a touchdown pass and a return of an interception for a TD brought the
final score to 24-10. Temple, as Cinci, will play with a lot of emotion.
It might not be as easy as some people may think.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: FSU - ND
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:02:35 GMT

Russ Wyborski writes:

>The last victory by FSU over ND doesn't count because I think that it
>might have been while Faust was coaching there.

That game was played in the fall of my freshamn year under the dome (fall,
1981) and was won by the Seminoles.  I don't recall the score.  1985 was Jerry
Faust's first year at Notre Dame and that game is th only time these two 
schools have met on the football field.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
From: 34ZFHFM@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: MSU vs CMU
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:37:14 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

This score just in from the Big 10/MAC match-up this afternoon:

CMU 24
MSU 20

This makes it a perfect record for Central Michigan University who has NEVER
lost to MSU.  Maybe next time!!!  NOT!!!

Duane
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: BC vs Rutgers
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:09:54 GMT

In article <Bu48vq.6tz@wpi.WPI.EDU>, hunter@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian) writes:
|> 
|>        Watching this game, i would NOT count the Knights out yet.
|>        Fortay is looking good, hes running alot with the ball, and
|>        a few surprise passes are going to get Rutgers right back in
|>        the thick of it.
|>        The winner of this game is going to depend on which coach can
|>        adjust better after halftime is over.
|>        

I would.  Final score:  BC 37  Rutgers 20


|> ..................................../*\....................................
|> George M.Berberian                                   College Computer Center
|> hunter@wpi.wpi.edu (email)                       Worcester Polytechnic Inst.
|> GOOOOOO....PATS 11-5 in 92                          Worcester, Massachusetts
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   very much agreed!


--
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

    "Eight years is too long for anyone to go without skills or purpose."
           -- George Bush (supposedly talking about welfare recipients)
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue fans...
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:36:43 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep13.130429.15980@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Hey guys, I was dancing as much as any of you when I saw that score, but
>don't sit around and woof Purdue into oblivion.  You know just as well as I
>do that Purdue will let down next week and get upset by Toledo.  The score:
>
>Purdue  17
>Toledo  35
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


Now Brian, I thought the Anti-Woofing theorem (tm) had been proven false???

Anyway, Purdue is guaranteed to win and continue winning up until the point
when the finally make the National rankings, wherein they will then lose
the rest of their games...
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:23:42 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <009604FF.680F4080@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:
>FSU 48 Duke 21
>
>Everyone keeps saying that FSU did not dominate this game. Winning
>by 27 seems like domination to me. Any comments from those who attended?

I didn't go (was out of town) but I did catch the first half on radio
and the second half on tv.

Under the circumstances, and given typical expectations from FSU, they
didn't dominate. But by other standards, 27 point could be considered
such.

Duke played a really good game. They had a solid plan, their backup QBs
played well, their receivers took advantage of a couple broken
coverages, and their special teams play was a factor on at least one of
their scores. The Duke LBs and DL played pretty well. 

On the FSU side, negatives would be the OL, QB, WR, and DB. OL is the
major weakness of this team. They only had one senior on the line, but
the skill and leadership will improve when Robbie Baker returns. In the
meantime, a team with a well balanced D should be able to give us fits.
Their play was very weak in the first half, they were lackluster and
absolutely NOT blowing Duke off the ball.

QB Charlie Ward had a mixed game. He threw 4 INTs, lost a fumble,
completed 17 passes, 4 TDs for around 260 yds., and ran for one TD. So,
yes, he accounted for 5 TDs, but those turnovers will lose a game
against a better team. His accuracy was just a little bit off in the
first half, but he seems to have read well, and he did have a couple
impressive scrambles to get out of trouble. 

WRs were mixed as well. OM'Ar Ellison (however he spells that...)
dropped at least 3 passes that were on the money, but he also caught a
few big gainers and at least one (can't remember) for a TD. Matt Frier
made an impressive 60 some odd TD catch that was called back. So, they
had their moments, but like last year, lacked consistency. Kez McCorvey
did play a pretty good game...

DBs really seemed to blow a couple coverages that Duke took advantage
of. On the first play for the backup Duke QB (their starter got knocked
out by Marvin Jones, broke a tooth, and bruised his jaw, out for the
night) scored a 60 yard TD pass on a blown coverage by, I believe,
Clifton Abraham. 

Another major drawback was discipline, as the 'Noles were flagged 16
times for ~150 yds. The OL is the only serious problem that I can see.
All the other mistakes this weekend are easily attributable to first
game jittes and sloppiness. We'll see next week if they've made enough
progress to handle Clempsun. If Clem had really blown Ball U out, I
might be worried, but I'm still sticking to my prediction that we'll be
undefeated in the ACC this year.

One word of advice to other ACC teams...don't take Duke lightly, or you
will get beat. They're a hell lof a lot better than they were last year.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Dunkel's
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:43:05 GMT

TESMAN (tesman@math.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone know if the college Dunkel ratings are available
: electronically?  Or is anyone willing to post them?  Thanks!

What the hell do donuts have to do with college football??
(If you don't get it, don't bother asking...)

:^)
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: stevens@b56vxg.kodak.com (THOM STEVENS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:32:00 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19509@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes...
>}} In article <JOHNDOE92Sep12.171012@asp.inmet> johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>}} 
>}} never mind that notre dame
>}} probably should have won the game going away if it weren't for their
>}} turnovers.
> 
>There were three interceptions thrown by Grbac that influenced the
>outcome a tad.
> 

Each team had a portion of the game where they had the upper hand.  Without
the early fumbles by ND, they may have been able to build a lead and make 
Michigan play catch-up.  We'll never know.
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:18:02 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) wrote:
}
}from OU, we like to restrict it to AP titles. (It gives ND 8, 
}with OU in 2nd with 6, I think 'bama has 4?). 

Alabama has 5 AP titles: '61,'64,'65,'78,'79 and 4 UPI titles: '61,'64,'73,'79.

Say, how come Oklahoma doesn't like to count UPI titles? ;-)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
From: niall@astro.as.utexas.edu (Niall Gaffney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: swc,rice, fake grass
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:12:45 GMT
Reply-To: niall@astro.as.utexas.edu
Organization: University of Texas, Department of Astronomy

In article 25014@tamsun.tamu.edu, cjm5628@ender.tamu.edu (The Muckster!) writes:
> >
> >
> >Every SWC team plays on that green painted concrete junk. 
> >
> >(Not to mention the Cowboys, and Oilers. At least UTEP plays
> > on natural turf.)
> >
> >Doesn't grass grow in Texas? 
> 
> no...
> 
> :-)
For the record...UTEP is in the WAC, and the Sun Bowl is one of the nicer
turf fields in the state.  In a state with an oil based economy.....
better living through chemestry.


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   Gaffney       |    Department of Astronomy    |     Shine so bright 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:07:23 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Sep12.171012@asp.inmet> johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe) writes:
+>lou holtz sucks.  i have been a notre dame fan since i was six years old.
+>lou holtz has managed to give me a reason to root against notre dame.

Well, call it an "I hate Notre Dame" bias, but I totally agree.  Lou Holtz
blew this one and nobody can say otherwise.  In fact, one of our favorite
sayings in school was simply "Lou Sucks".  

+>-johndoe


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:23:04 GMT



In article <19514@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>Holtz's "I was trying to see the coverage" line doesn't
>wash.
>
>1) He could have checked the coverage by sending Mirer to
>the line with two passing plays, with instructions to
>audible to the second if Michigan was in an unexpected
>formation, and throw the ball out of bounds if there was any
>doubt.  This would have the side benefit of stopping the
>clock.

Yea right.  Now it's second and ten, instead of second and three.  Two more 
downs and Michigan has the ball with three timeouts left.  Come on, people.  I 
have no problem with what Holtz did.  I DO have a problem with the people who
booed the team.  Get a life.  They played their butts off, especially the
defense.

Who do you coach for, by the way??


>
>2) He could have run a draw play from a passing formation.
>Lining up in a definite running formation doesn't tell you
>too much about the other team's pass coverage.
>
>3) Calling consecutive running plays really points out the
>lie in Holtz's words.  One running play you can almost
>believe.  More than one means that he just plain wasn't
>trying to move the ball, but wanted to run out the clock.

Bettis almost broke through with a tremendous gainer.  Would you have been
happy then?  A first down was achieved on the second running play.
Unfortunately, the penalty called it back.  If there wasn't the penalty, there
were 30 seconds on the clock.  First down.  I wonder what could've happened?


Stop second guessing Lou.  He is there for a reason.  He didn't play to tie, he
played not to lose.  The players didn't deserve to lose.

Again, who do YOU coach for??  Have your scenarios worked??? ;)
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:11:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


Holtz's "I was trying to see the coverage" line doesn't
wash.

1) He could have checked the coverage by sending Mirer to
the line with two passing plays, with instructions to
audible to the second if Michigan was in an unexpected
formation, and throw the ball out of bounds if there was any
doubt.  This would have the side benefit of stopping the
clock.

2) He could have run a draw play from a passing formation.
Lining up in a definite running formation doesn't tell you
too much about the other team's pass coverage.

3) Calling consecutive running plays really points out the
lie in Holtz's words.  One running play you can almost
believe.  More than one means that he just plain wasn't
trying to move the ball, but wanted to run out the clock.

Heck, I don't care one bit if he played for the tie.  Just
be man enough to admit it.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I won one game, three to two, too.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.214034.12505@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>Don't forget this one:  Can Elvis have the game of his life and complete 90% of
>his passes like he did last year??

The real question for Notre Dame fans - has Notre Dame finally gotten
a defense that can prevent *any* quarterback from having the day of
his life against them?  I didn't see the Northwestern game, but the
numbers from the paper suggest that the answer to this question is no.
In which case, Notre Dame has a very tough game ahead of them, next
week, especially since the Michigan defense has a habit of objecting
strenuously to opponents scoring on them much.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: What is a Boilermaker?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:28:01 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <192thcINNdr2@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> laura@sdd.hp.com (Laura Mansfield) writes:
>Like it says in the subject line...
>
>What is a Boilermaker?
>
>Laura Mansfield


  A killer drink :-)

  Doug
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Keywords: n
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:02:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.193933.10100@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>Heck, I can think of 13 right off hand....
>11 SECers, 1 with a bunch of Frenchmen, and 1 with a bunch of
>Goobers....
>
>
>
>....:)


J.J.'s Back!   J.J.'s Back!

Hey J.J. how does it feel to be from the only school to loose to an SWC
team last weekend?


- goober (you aren't getting hungry are you?) smith