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From: se3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Stanley Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Assists
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:16:31 GMT
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Organization: Columbia University


Does anybody out there know how assists are credited?

I understand that assists are passes that lead to easy field goals,
but there was once a case where an assist was credited for a 3-point
field goal!  In a college basketball game involving the Pittsburgh
Panthers, Pitt had 17 team assists, 22 field goals, 6 of them 3-point
field goals.  So you can see that at least one 3-pointer was officially
assisted, since Pitt only made 16 two-pointers for those 17 assists.
(I believe assists are credited similarly on the college and pro levels)

It seems that assists are a judgement statistic.  How can a scorekeeper
consider a 3-pointer an easy field goal?

Stanley Eng
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE  Denver 101 Utah 124  07Apr92
Keywords: ho-hum, another loss
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.144746.15133@ncar.ucar.edu> grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:

>Fun News: Doug Moe had gall bladder surgery, and his doctor says it may be OK
>          for him to coach again.  Moe's comment: "I'm tired, but I feel pretty
>          good, except for Duke winning."  Good man, that Moe.

     I was just re-reading "Loose Balls:  the Short Wild Life of the
NBA" and one of the things that struck me was that all the former ABA
players and coaches praised Moe for his defense...I think George Irvine
even called him a defensive specialist, someone else said he was like
Dave DeBusschere but with better offense.  Kind of ironic given the
run-'n-gun nature of the teams he coached.  
     A strange side note:  the president of the New Orleans Buccaneers,
who signed Moe and Larry Brown to their first pro contracts, was Sean
Downey, who later became better known as Morton Downey Jr.
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From: russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A new Statistic
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:10:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: xenna.13398
Organization: Xylogics, Inc., Burlington MA
In-reply-to: h0j1297@summa.tamu.edu's message of 17 Apr 92 18:16:00 GMT

RE:

>I think it would be neat to have a new statistic, let's call it::
>
>"True Field Goal Percentage"
>
>Let's say a person shoots 3-10.  But in the process goes to the line 6 times
>and makes 4 shots.  Then his true FG% is 50%.  (2 free throws = 1 fgm).  Now,
>one must be careful and not take into account free throws that are non-shooting
>fouls caused by teams being in the penalty.  This may be confusing, but it
>would really show the "true field goal percentage."  I wonder who would be
>the leader in this category????
>
>Burt


This could be misleading as to the worth of a player...  Take Ed Pinkney
as an example.

He has never been a strong finisher, and usually gets fouled trying to
score from the post. But, he is a 83'ish percent free throw shooter.

His "True Field Goal Percentage" could be 30 to 40 percent higher than
his "Real Field Goal Percentage", but does that make him better than a
Reggie Lewis type forward who has the ability to "get the shot off"??

It would be interresting to see the mixed batch of players who would
top off the top twenty list in this stat.

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From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird, a real pro
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:57:37 GMT
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 09-Apr-92 in Larry Bird, a real pro       
user NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN@hydr writes:
>Great another Bird watcher!  I'm sick of all this Bird bashing, too.  
>Let the guy rest.  After all, how many players can play 12 years and
>running and still get those stats?  After all, didn't Kareem get just
>, Oh my God!, 10.1 points per game in 1988!?!?!?  Why hasn't he been 
>hacksawed?  Is it because he was a laker for a number of years?  A first
>round pick for Milwaukee?, a rookie of the year?  MVP many times?  High
>scorer?  High rebounder?  Oops, sounds like I'm talking about Larry, with
>the exception of first round pick of the bucks.  But I bet whichever team
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>had the #1 pick in 1978 wishes they had bird!  (and probably L.A., to, 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>after all, who's still playing?  And who acts responsibly on *and* off the
>court?  And who is monogamous with their wife???)

Does anyone know the top 5 picks in the '78 draft?

I thought Bird and Magic came out together, and Magic was 1, and Bird
was 2.  Am I incorrect?



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From: russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: random thoughts
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:20:32 GMT
Organization: Xylogics, Inc., Burlington MA
In-reply-to: Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 22:10:35 GMT



RE: Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon)

>2.  Sherman Douglas is not the Celtics' 4th quarter point guard.  He
>only has played lately because of Dee's flu.  Bags has been playing 2nd
>and 4th quarters usually--it's kinda a 27/21 split.


I assume this was meant as a correction to my posting.  Thus, I will
further explain my post.

The posting was more to express what I would do if I were in the position
to choose point guard rotation.  My main concern with the Bagley/Douglas
tandem is the injury factor... These two seem prone to injury as the
minutes go up!! The rotation would bring in a "fresh" point guard, who can 
beat the press when the press will most likely occur.


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Lottery
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:28:17 GMT

navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>If I was playing a lottery in which I had 1 in 66 chances of winning
>50 million dollars I and any other sane individual would be ecstatic.

Even if a ticket costs 1 million dollars?  Well, have I got a deal
for you and for any other sane individual.


--Gidi

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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Lakers out of Playoffs
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:42:31 GMT

suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh) writes:

>The LA Lakers lost to the Kings at Sacremento.  This puts them out of
>the playoffs.
>-- 
>Suresh
>UNLV Dept. of Electrical Engineering

Wrong.  Despite what Chick Hearn was saying the Lakers are not out of the
playoffs yet.  They are 1 game behind the Rockets with both teams having
two games remaining.  If the Lakers win both and the Rockets lose both the
Lakers are a game ahead and get the 8th playoff spot.

Kevin
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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:25:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ku6gh4INNo3e@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
>Well, here I am again, reading more trash talk of Larry Bird.  Some people here
>want some statistics, well, off the top of my head, I'll give you some.
>Neil

(mo' deleted)

Simple observation, 

Of all the things you quoted nothing was achieved individually on a basaket
ball court. You are talking about things which spectators award players. Tell
what those of us can do if committe "c" awards player "n" the award instead
of player "f" . Other than cry there is nothing we can do, but if player "f"
had mo' pts, rebs, assists  & dunks then we might feel that the award was 
unfairly given. Also you've got to remember that all players in the nba are
good. To be regarded as one of the best, you have to have done what no one
who can player yo' position ever did (or has done). Therfore we find that
peolpe like K AJabbar also won 5 titles (as did m cooper). Ekgin Baylor once
scored 60 pts in a game. MJordan won 6 scoring titles. ORobertson set many
records including the assist record MJohnson broke last year. Karim Scored 
more Pts than anyt one. Wilt had one hundred pt games and 50pt seasons. 
Tell me which of the above your man is qualified to replace.

Makala
From: mbn@fps.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE nyk75cle74.05apr92
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:31:02 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@fps.com
Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
cc: cle-list

Brad Daugherty scored 22 points, including two clinching free throws after
Larry Nance's block preserved a two-point lead in the closing seconds.
New York's magic number for clinching the Atlantic Division over Boston
remained at four.  Cleveland has won four straight overall and 12 straight
at home.

nyk 93, cle 97   05apr92

Jackson, nyk, flagrant foul 6:43 3rd

nyk (48-27)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
mcdaniel,xavier   29    7  14   0  0   2  2   2  5   5   1  1  1  0  0  0   16
oakley,charles    43    6  10   0  0   2  2   1  6   4   5  1  1  0  0  0   14
ewing,patrick     37    5  17   0  0   3  5   2 12   1   4  4  2  1  0  0   13
wilkins,gerald    26    3   6   1  1   0  0   0  2   2   2  0  1  0  0  0    7
jackson,mark      33    6  16   0  2   0  0   1  3   8   4  1  1  0  0  0   12
starks,john       23    8  15   4  8   1  2   0  0   2   2  0  1  0  0  0   21
mason,anthony     24    3   4   0  0   2  3   2  5   4   2  0  1  0  0  0    8
anthony,greg      15    0   5   0  0   0  0   2  3   1   3  0  0  0  0  0    0
vandeweghe,kiki   10    0   2   0  1   2  2   1  1   1   0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nyk totals       240   38  89   5 12  12 16  11 37  28  23  7  8  1  0  0   93
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .427   .417   .750       team rebs  9

cle (52-22)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
nance,larry       41    5  12   0  0   1  4   1  4   2   3  1  0  3  0  0   11
sanders,mike      31    4   7   0  0   0  0   1  7   1   4  0  1  3  0  0    8
daugherty,brad    38    6  12   0  0  10 12   0  7   4   3  1  3  0  0  0   22
kerr,steve        32    5   6   4  4   1  2   0  5   3   0  2  0  1  0  0   15
price,mark        33    8  15   2  5   2  4   0  4   6   1  1  5  0  0  0   20
battle,john       16    3   4   0  0   5  6   0  1   2   3  0  1  1  0  0   11
williams,john     34    4   7   0  0   2  2   3  9   5   4  0  1  2  0  0   10
brandon,terrell   15    0   4   0  0   0  0   0  2   1   2  0  1  1  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cle totals       240   35  67   6  9  21 30   5 39  24  20  5 12 11  0  0   97
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .522   .667   .700       team rebs 11

nyk   29  15  25  24  -   93
cle   26  30  21  20  -   97

attendance 18566, time 2:02, officials: EFRush,DCrawford,DVaden
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Doug Moe & the ABA (was :Re: BOXSCORE  Denver 101 Utah 124  07Apr92)
Keywords: ho-hum, another loss
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:59:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO



tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:

>>Fun News: Doug Moe had gall bladder surgery, and his doctor says it may be OK
>>          for him to coach again.  Moe's comment: "I'm tired, but I feel pretty
>>          good, except for Duke winning."  Good man, that Moe.

>     I was just re-reading "Loose Balls:  the Short Wild Life of the
>NBA" and one of the things that struck me was that all the former ABA
>players and coaches praised Moe for his defense...I think George Irvine
>even called him a defensive specialist, someone else said he was like
>Dave DeBusschere but with better offense.  Kind of ironic given the
>run-'n-gun nature of the teams he coached.  

Yep, "Loose Balls" is a good book, historically speaking, and is entertaining
reading also.  As for Moe, if you've ever seen films of his ABA days, he was
a pretty decent player.  He was a decent shooter from 3pt range, considering his
size (6'8") and relative goofyness.  I'm fairly certain he made one or two All-ABA
Defensive Teams as well.  As for his Spurs and Nuggets teams -- I recall his Spurs
teams played reasonable defense, but it certainly was their offense that took them
to Western Conference finals for two years.  In Denver, Moe's Nuggets teams 
generally did play good defense (especially his 84-85 team), but was always way
overshadowed by the fact that they'd lead the NBA in scoring all the time.

>     A strange side note:  the president of the New Orleans Buccaneers,
>who signed Moe and Larry Brown to their first pro contracts, was Sean
>Downey, who later became better known as Morton Downey Jr.

Larry Brown and Doug Moe played at Carolina or Virginia in the ABA together also,
I believe.  But this Morton Downey Jr fact is more than strange, it's scary. Yikes.


--
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Another Incentive for losing
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.004908.2372@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) wrote:
>      I was about to post an article with exactly this thought, but aimed
> at Sonics fans.  The Sonics actually have a chance to overtake the Spurs
> (with Robinson out, the Spurs are slumping and only 1 game ahead of the
> Sonics).  That would put the Sonics at #5, and I suggest that that is     
> actually less desirable than finishing #6 or #7.  

Yeah, well, the Sonice are going to have to un-hustle if they want to
prevent the Spurs from plummeting past them.  Robinson is out, they played
Houston last night without Vinnie Johnson (tendinitis) or Rod Strickland
(groin injury), Antoine Carr is suffering from back spasms and Sean
Elliott has a dislocated finger.  The Spurs have apparently caught whatever
it was that Cleveland had the last couple of years.  

To make matters worse, John Carter is in town.  Fortunately, I have plenty
`o excuses.  And at least *my* center will be back next year.

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From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Another Bird man
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:15:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm sick of this Celtic bashing that I've
seen poste dlately?
The fact is the Celtics have the second best record in their division and have 
just beat the top three teams in the East(Chicago,Cleveland and New York).
And as for the Larry Bird haters out there. Bird is still one of the top three
players in the league(yes, seriously).
This is the year the Celts will win their seventeenth world championship and
Bird, Mchale and Parish will get yet another championship ring. Sorry Michael.



Matt

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Thank you!  I tried saying the same thing, but some poeple have manure in their heads that won't allow them to realize the obvious.  

GO Celts!

Neil
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Historic! Pistons 72 Knicks 61 (was EC semi finals)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:18:16 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory) writes:
>>>koswatta@bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:

>>>>Can Pistons take Bulls beyond 4 games in the Eastern Conference
>>>>semi finals before bowing out?
>>
>>>The Pistons new trapping defense and increased passing has served them well
>>
>>The only problem is that putting in a new press is great for a couple of
>>games in the NBA.  After that it gets killed by the coaches figuring out
>>how to beat it and the excellent ball handlers that are on every team.

4/12/92
Detroit just beat Knicks (for the second time this week) 72-61 in the
second lowest scoring NBA game since the inception of the 24 second clock!
Detroit's trapping strategy has served them for 5 wins now as the 2 best
defensive teams in the NBA met today in a historic game. You have to go
back to 1955 to find a lower scoring game - Boston v Milwaukee 57-62.
The third highest game was also in '55 - Syracuse v Ft Wayne Pistons 69-66.

61 points for the Knicks is their new all-time low. Detroit gave Philiadelphia
their all-time low last Wed. beating them 89-71. The Knicks score is also
a NBA season record for low scoring.
Knicks shot a mere 2/15 from the field in the second quarter. The combined
score of 23 in the 3rd is also a record of some sort.

After coming off a high-scoring 125-106 victory over Charlotte, Detroit has
the somewhat dubious distinction of winning the highest and second lowest
scoring games in NBA history. the highest being v Denver 186-184 in triple OT
on Dec 13 1983.

>>You heard it here first!
>
>Ditto!

Double-ditto! ;-)
>>
>>Peter
>
The Knicks loss brings Boston ever closer to replacing NY in the #2 spot.
Let's see how Boston does tonite! If they win, Detroit will remain 1-game
behind the Celtics. Det & Bos will meet Wed.

This pretty much obliterates the game-throwing rumors for the Pistons. ;)
Detroit has a 5-game winning streak now!
Hmmm...
5 wins and very little noise from the net vultures?
Maybe this will break the silence...WOOF-WOOF-WOOF-WOOF!

--Eric
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Depression Strikes Again
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:44:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C4972B.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <1992Apr9.061310.21689@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>
>
>Last week I commented, re Dennis Rodman, that I never heard of an NBA
>player who missed a game because of "depression".
>
>Now UPI reports that Willie Burton has quit the Heat to go seek treatment
>for "severe depression."
>
>Gee, these NBA players, their life sucks so hard.  Maybe they should
>come to grad school and taste the joys of well-compensated, care-free
>existence.
>
>
>--Gidi
>
Don't you mean "care-free, giddy existence?" :)

--Eric
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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Another Incentive for losing
Summary: Consider, if you will...
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  6 Apr 92 17:55:44 GMT

Consider the following scenario:

Assume (yes, I know these assumptions are questionable)

  Chicago are the best (by far) in the East.

  Next come New York and Cleveland and Boston in no particular order.
  (this is very questionable, but just accept it for now).

You are Chuck Daly (Piston's coach), and you just *know* you can't
beat Chicago, but you think you have a (roughly) equal chance against
the others.

You discover that you can't manage to come in 4th - 5th place is the
highest you'll end up.

Wouldn't you throw a few games (if you could) to make yourself a sixth
seed.  Now, if you win your first round matchup (and we already assumed
you had equal chance against Boston or Cleveland), you'll get a much
easier second round matchup.

Further, in the West, might one of the top teams play a little less
enthusiastically to avoid playing (say) the surging Clippers, who have
shown that they can win anywhere against anybody (unlike the Clippers of
old who had it the other way around)?

Just another consipiracy theory to go with the "Bucks are hot after Shaq"
and "Lakers will trade Worthy and their first round pick to 
(insert moronic team here) for the rights to Shaq"
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From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?  The UseNet Draft of '91
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Apr 1992 11:14 EST  

> 
>Cleveland Cavs		Mark Macon	Terrell Brandon
>  I haven't heard much about Brandon in Cleveland.  He was Mark Price 
>  insurance, which the Cavs didn't have to cash in, right?  Macon seems to
>  be a bust in Denver.


Terrell is a good player, very capable of running a good team of his own at 
the point. And because of this, don't be surprised if you see him get 
traded to another team and really blossom, a la Kevin Johnson. If he 
started every game for the Cavs, he could easily have averages of nearly 20 
points a game, and around 7-8 assist/game. His driving ability is fabulous, 
I've seen him go into the land of the giants and slam it home, or finesse 
it in. He also likes to do this, and feed Hot Rod, Daugherty, or Nance for 
a nice easy slam. The thing he needs to do is work on his outside shot. He 
has good range for a college three, and when he gets a pro three- he'll 
have all-star potential. I'm very high on him, and hope he stays in 
Cleveland long enough to win a championship with (unless of course he's in 
a trade that would bring someone else here to do that)

Sorry I don't have actual numbers, but he's shown signs of maturity as the 
year has gone on, and he also really seems to be a fast learner. At the 
bulls game, he got trapped by bringing the ball into the frontcourt to one 
side, and cost the Cavs a possession. Lenny Wilkens had a little talk with 
him on the sidelines, and that was the last time that happened the rest of 
the night, and since it was such a blowout, he had the ball for most of the 
second half.


Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


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