HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: updates please
Keywords: Humour, people, please!
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:24:39 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct2.053723.996@u.washington.edu>
mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes: 
>
>Also, there are more than a few things in the Gardnerian BOS and tradition
>that either haven't ever been published or are not written down and are
>only passed orally and have not been published.

Could you give us a few examples?


Couldn't resist that, sorry... ;-)

Later,
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From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: another poem
Originator: blchapma@c00467-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:36:19 GMT


In article <7605@monmouth.edu>, c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
|> 	Did anybody see the bit on the news last night talking about Hillary
|> Clinton?  They were talking about her past problems of being called ambitious
|> and agressive.  And how she's now calmed down and started acting like a proper
|> first lady candidate.  Kinda make ya wanna hurt somebody, doesn't it?  Here's a
|> woman who's taken all the shit they must've given her at law school, and all
|> the shit they must've given her while she was climbing through her firm,
|> and now they act like it's a GOOD THING that she's "calmed down"
|> and started acting "proper".  Grrrr.....

I'm still getting over the chocolate chip cookies...
-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<1992Oct3.232003.2829@news.cs.indiana.edu> 
	<1arecuINNm5@venture.ksu.ksu.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:13:15 GMT

In article <1arecuINNm5@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> 
lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>By the bye... I saw a thing just tonight on MTV Music News, an interview with
>Sinead O'Connor.  She doesn't believe in "the church" (organized religions),
>but still believes in God and Jesus.  Afterwards, the "anchorperson" stated
>the opinions of two archbishops in NYC, one of whom said Ms. O'Connor needs
>"psychological and spiritual help"...

Ah, yes, rebel? Against what? Actually, the bald one is rasta, but you
didn't hear that from me, state secret and all that. If word ever got
out that almost all musicians are rasta, well there wouldn't be much
need for hair stylists what with all the gentle people in natty
dreadlocks and such. That's why Sinead shaves her head, otherwise the
dreads would be too obvious, don't jah think? Steady rockin' on that ska
beat mon! An' don't even t'ink of going up a down road! Lion Iron Zion
Jah! Ras TafarI!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: editing
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:57:05 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> Bill, I don't recognize your name from any posts here in alt.pagan.
> Maybe I just missed you.  However, I you don't post to alt.pagan,
> what are you worried about?  I realize it is not netiquette, but

I'm not a heavy regular, but have been posting here for two years now.
You shouldn't worry; I'm not complaining, just reminding, admittedly for 
the benefit of the older old timers who have busy lives, and limited 
net.reading.time, like myself. Let it pass you by like a breeze, if it 
doesn't pertain to your editing...

Later, Bill
From: unixcorn@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Madelyn T. Gould)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: night and winter
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:25:55 GMT
Organization: DeKalb College, Clarkston, Ga.


The best time of year...

Fall, the temperature is decent, the leaves turning such beautiful
colors, rain bringing out the bright toadstools (where are the toads?),
cleaning up the garden for winter's rest

Winter, the possibility of snow, everything closing down because we
can't get to work! no classes, party!!  Fires in the fireplace, fattening
fondue! HOT CHOCOLATE!!  Two dog nights with two dogs!

Spring, looking each day to see if the aconite or daffs are coming up,
the first days of the golden forsythia, the last sneaky frost getting
the too early planted peppers..

Summer, sweltering hot days making you realize the superb worth of
ice cold lemonade, gallons of sweet tea, humming birds and house finches making nests on the front door lights (putting up the bright yellow tape,
Do Not Enter:Baby Birds) the first tomatoes- ain't nothin' like home
grown maters..

I don't think She made a bad season.

Just testing the waters, 
Bless the Work

-- 

unixcorn  (alias Madelyn Gould) @dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU

There's a unicorn in the garden and he's eating a lily.
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot traditions
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:51:20 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <9209282105.AA09278@intercon.com> amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
>c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>> The second is magickal  I don't know how the energy of the cards
>> would interact with the pick and choose method.
>
>It wouldn't matter, unless you decide it matters.  The magick is not in the 
>cards themselves...
>
>
>Amanda Walker

	bah.  I beginner's mistake.  Then again, I AM a beginner, so that's
expected.  :)  You're right, of course.  A better way to ask what i intended
would be:  "Would anybody be bothered enough by mixing cards for it to
interfere with their use?"

	BTW, it's nice to see you here.  It'd been a while since I've seen
you posting.

|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu |                -me      |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:14:12 GMT

In article <1131@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos) writes:
>
>Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik writes...
>
>.....(good story and memories deleted for the sake of space).....
>
>>>Janis the Castrating Bitch
>> 
>>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
>>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
>>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially
>>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
>>take shit; bitches are women who don't fit into the male order, the
>>patriarchal machine; bitches are women who have power.  
>> 
>>(Plus which, for a long long time, whenever I've been taken on any
>>sort of power-animal visualization, it's always been either a dog or a
>>wolf, usually the former.  And she's always female.)
>> 
>>So if someone (usually a man) calls me a bitch, I just look him in the
>>eye and say, "Why thank you."  :)
>> 
>>Enough; I have to go tend my pup.  Thanks again, ladies, for sharing
>>your stories and making me think about some things.

Yep.  I have a sweatshirt that I haven't worn in a while that has the
letters Nu Sigma Beta on it, like a sorority shirt.  (Another friend at
home whom, sadly, I haven't seen in a while has the same shirt.)  It
means non sorority bitch.  Not non (sorority bitch) -- (non sorority)
BITCH. 

>My dear, it sound like you are one HELL of an Amazon. Has your coven, someone 
>special or have YOU given yourself your Labrys (I've seen it spelled many 
>ways) yet?!?!? I personally would not use the term bitch, that implies 
>something sexually about teasing and using men to me and the use of that 
>power rather than your personal power seems a little "off" to me. Then again 
>some people don't know an Amazon is a warrior, not an insult to be thrown 
>at tall girls in high school, it is a title to be EARNED and carried with 
>PRIDE.......

Sounds like Sally.  She is VERY tall and was teased about it a lot.  She
now works out in a gym to get muscles -- "Amazon?  You're goddamnde
right I'm an Amazon, and buddy, you sure don't measure up to what I can
*chew up and spit out*." 

Blessings,
Janis
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: maga(zines)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:01:19 GMT


 Does anyone know what the average press run/number of subscribers/readers
of the following publications? Ballpark estimates are ok.


  Green Egg, Harvest, Magical Blend

  Please reply be e-mail as I may not get to read replies to the
newsgroups. Thanks.

   Pax,

    Dana
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Power (a reply of sorts)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:21:42 GMT

In article <Bv72By.75w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>
>(Yes, I am very fond of Starhawk's work.  It has been from her that I gained
>the courage to really face the dark.)

Maybe nitpicking, but I could NOT let this pass.

You gained that courage from YOURSELF, and no one else.  All Starhawk
could do was show you by her own example that it was all right to face
the shade and that the world wouldn't crack in half if you did.

But, YOU were the one who turned and faced the shade.

Blessings,
Janis 
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From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:14:14 GMT

I think that what Marty said has value.  Thanks, Marty.

-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: sjs@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (BORCO)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:36:02 -0500
Organization: Gormenghast

In article <9giRRB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>me too.  my mild cuss word is "Oh, bother!"  only that one isn't
>contrived.  i just happent to LIKE the books and author in question!
>(i am not more clear because i want to see how many people recognize
>the reference, like some of our reders might not recognize the
>reference to mork & mindy in the last post.)


'Tis the Mighty Pooh, of course.  Though my cuss words tend to copy those
of Yosemite Sam, as in "that son of a raggin' fraggin' froggin' goggin'...!"


----
Bitnet:     sjs@ifasgnv              "Precious and fish are the moments we
Internet:   sjs@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu      two can share."          -- Gollum

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From: eburke@phakt.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Oh, Bother revisited
Keywords: sleep, Saturday morning
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:25:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Here's my stuff:

Born 4 Sept 73, around 10 am or pm (I can't remember offhand...)in Cleveland
Ohio, Virgo...DOn't know the rest...The lady that did up my chart really would
not talk about it except to say that I have strong psychic potential...That's
all she wrote....
Blessed be,
Kethry
eburke@huey.csun.edu
eburke@aludra.usc.edu
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The Earth is my Mother, the Sky, my Father.  Between them I live, forever I
love.......
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Libertarians, guns, etc.
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:05:07 GMT

allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep22.182810.29711@radian.uucp>, markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
>> The Libertarians
>> who keep talking to me around here don't seem to have any coherent plan
>> to change what exists into their ideal society (tell me, do we drop all those
>> laws & regulations, and start out with people who are billionaires, and the
>> rest of us broke, or do we take all of everyone's money away from them,
>> divvy it up equally, and start from a level playing field?).

>	Libertarians are, among other things, in favor of eliminating 
>limited liability for corporations. Thus, if those billionares are that 
>rich due to stock ownership, they can be sued and fined for what the 
>corporations they own and control do. Admittedly, current fine schedules 
>need to be adjusted (possibly adjusted by income level or size of 
>corporation) to something that's a significant penalty level.
>	-Allen

That's a new one.  Perhaps you are thinking about communists instead?
It certianly isn't part of the Libertarian Party platform, or in any
way compatable with libertarian ideas that I can see.

Followups to alt.straw.man.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: updates please
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:06:49 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <23935@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@fugazi.sybase.com (Leigh
Ann Hussey) writes: 

>Parenthetical remark: I find it fascinating that the BritTraditionalists
>judge a Wiccan, at least in part, on the basis of who initiated hir.
>Recently, I met an Alexandrian (I think that's right... Tim?) 

Yes. For those that don't know, Alexandrians are those who claim
allegiance to the offshoot of Garderian Wicca produced by Alex
Saunders (and later Maxine Saunders, too) which tends more to the
heavily Caballistic CM style than even Gardnerian Wicca.

>priestess
>who was introduced to me and her first question was, "Who initiated
>you?"  I laughed hysterically, caught completely offguard.  I mean, who
>*cares* who initiated me?  That's not a big deal in NROOGD.  Strange stuff.

Yes, I got asked that by every Alexandrian that (I knew that I ) met.
Like some sort of Apostolic Succession, or something... I think the
theory goes that some Covens refused Further Training by Saunders (the
Farrars mention that they did this) and are thus slightly heretical.
Hence the insistence on tracing who initiated you, and who initiated
*them*, and so on...

Interestingly, considering Sanders to be the root node of this
process, read Valiente on the early days of Sanders going the rounds
of established Wiccans in the 60's looking to be initiated. Apparently
the Crowthers turned him down. Not sure how this ties in with being
initiated by 'his grandmother' though.

BTW my usual respons th 'who initiated you' was either 'the universe'
or 'the Goddess'. Little arguing with those answers <grin>

Blessings,

--
Chris Lilley
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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:13:03 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
Reply-To: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au


In article <lch7osINN2g8@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com writes:

 > My theory is that it's linked to how much fewer animals there are now.  Most
 > of the people being born now really should have been wombats or spider monkeys
 > or tree frogs for a couple of dozen lifetimes yet.  It explains an awful
 > lot.
 > 
 > Dawn

Should have been? They still are.


Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:45:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <lch7osINN2g8@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep29.174908.19760@radian.uucp>, markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
> > 
> > Actually, Iwonder, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, if you
> > have a choice nowadays, since there are more people alive, *now* than
> > have *ever* lived. Or are there just *lots* of first-timers?
> 
> My theory is that it's linked to how much fewer animals there are now.  Most
> of the people being born now really should have been wombats or spider monkeys
> or tree frogs for a couple of dozen lifetimes yet.  It explains an awful
> lot.

Well, this may partly explain it. But in the Buddhist cosmology, there are
six "realms of existence", only two of which we are really aware of with
our senses: the human realm and the animal realm. There are two realms
"below" us: the "hungry ghosts or spirits" and the "hells" (or purgatories,
since they're not permanent). There are two realms "above" us, also: the
"titans" and the "gods". All beings in each of these realms are subject
to death and rebirth. Also, this Earth is only one planet in a *vast*
physical cosmos. Who knows what dying planets out there we're pulling
population off of?

Blessings, and speculatively yours,

Richard
(Tuneweaver)

        Those who know do not speak
        Those who speak do not know
From: ST801706@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:18:17 GMT

Blue Oyster Cult is definitely non-Christian, although I couldn't
tell you what exactly they are.  I don't think they're Satanic, but
they're certainly into the darker side of the occult.  If anyone
wants to hear a really fun album by them, check out _Imaginos_
(especially the song "Astronomy" !!!)

Queensryche doesn't have strong religious overtones one way or the
other, but they did have a _great_ song about lucid dreaming
("Silent Lucidity") on their latest album _Empire_.

And that's the latest from the hard rock corner...

                                       WenD
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:45:22 GMT

In article <BvGtvK.Iv4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>
>Um, I was not talking about the Crone.  The Crone is part of the Triple 
>Goddess.   The Bitch is independent of the Triple Goddess, in my version of
>the Craft.  Also, what I am talking about has nothing to do with Taoism, yin/
>yang, or anything Eastern.  It is distinctly European thinking.

I must have misunderstood that the Bitch is something outside the Triple
Goddess. Wish I still had your original post so I could reread it. But the
dualistic nature of dark and light is not exclusively Eastern, I only
mentioned Taoism because that's where I've gotten my insights into it. 
I see a similarity in what you say versus the philosophy of yin/yang, but
if you don't, and you have more info, I'd appreciate hearing it. Clarification
is always a good thing.

>1. I am not gay.  2. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation--it is a
>relatively common generic pronoun.  I usually use it when the sex of the
>antecedent is unclear.  3. I use it for myself because I am third-gender.  A
>good introduction to the concept of third-gender persons is _The Spirit and
>the Flesh_.  (Unfortunately, I can't think of the author's name.  Can anyone
>help out?)

On point one. Sorry if I caused offense. It was not my intent. I could have 
sworn that I once read a post by you that implied you were gay, and then 
there's your .sig file. Anyway, my apologies if I caused offense.

On point two. I've never encountered that pronoun before. At first I thought
it was a misspelling, but when I saw it crop up a few times I became curious
enough to ask. I've always maintained that life is an ongoing educational
experience.

On point three. If you would, please clairfy third gender. Again, it's a
term I've never encountered.

>Hmm, this post sounds a bit sharp to my ears.  It is not intended to be--I've
>just read a bit too much stuff which ticked me off in the last hour.  You are
>not one of the sources of the ticked off feeling, though.

Only point one seemed sharp, and only because of it's shortness. Of course
if I had offended you with my assumption you would have been justified, so
I shrugged it off as a matter of course, and then apologized. If it had been
a flame, however, I would consider it to be of the mildest sort, especially
considering some of the stuff that's been going on here lately. ;-)

Bb,
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From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Pagan Magazines (was A Novice Asks...)
Keywords: Paganism
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.015042.20617@newstand.syr.edu> pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser) writes:
>
>Another magazine I like, directed more at Wiccans, is "New Moon Rising."

 More fluff per page than any other crystal loving publication!

 (New Moon Rising is about as deep as the Weekly World News and half as
informative)

Wassail,
Grendel

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