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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:57:58 GMT

In article <ASH.92Sep10162023@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <1685EB34C.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>   >Hornung (1956).  And recall the man who you Michigan crybabies claimed
>                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Geez.  And Notre Dame fans *aren't* crybabies?  These are the people
>who thinks God is on their side.  So if Notre Dame loses, does that
>mean you didn't say enough hail mary's last week?  If Michigan loses
>to Notre Dame, it's because Notre Dame is the better team.  No
>excuses, no whining, no crying.  If Michigan wins, will we get the
>same from you?

You will from me, at least.  I really don't understand why Notre Dame
fans are bashing Michigan fans, and visa versa.  As a Notre Dame fan,
I always look forward to the Michigan game because I know it will be
a hardfought, exciting game against a great opponent.  That's why winning
it is so sweet, when we do.  When we don't, it's disappointing, but at
least we have the consolation of having lost to one of the best.  I have
nothing but respect for Michigan and its program.

By the way, I've never heard any Notre Dame fan seriously claim that
God cares especially whether the Irish win or not.  I think the "God's
team" label comes mostly from outside the university, not from inside it.
Of course, some of you may be consorting with a lower caliber of Notre
Dame fan than I do . . .

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: preo@bnr.ca (David Preo P880)
Subject: Re: Palmetto Football Tuesday #2 - September 8 (LONG)
Keywords: South Carolina Clemson Furman Citadel
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 15:31:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.021959.2054@hubcap.clemson.edu>, trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>                 Palmetto Football Tuesday #2 - September 8
|> 
|>   questions and comments to: Trevor Bauknight - trev@hubcap.clemson.edu 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|>    Tigers     (ACC * Coach: Ken Hatfield)
|> 
|> Clemson             7  3  0 14 - 24 
|> Ball State          0  7  3  0 - 10
|> 
|> Review:
|> 
|>    The Tigers did little to win this game, but managed to keep from 
|> losing.  It appeared generally that Clemson was caught looking ahead
|> to what many have billed the ACC championship game against FSU next
|> week.  Ball State came to do more than pick up a paycheck, and when
|> they tied the game and barely missed an opportunity to take the lead,
|> the Tigers woke up and played stifling defense and unstoppable 
|> offense for a few minutes, scoring two touchdowns and putting the 
|> game away.
|>    Perhaps the biggest news other than the result was the shining
|> return of tailback Ronald Williams.  Williams played for the first
|> time since going down with a knee injury in last season's game against
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Believe it or not, the guy injured his knee in the PREGAME WARMUPS. It
did not matter since Rodney? Blunt came in and killed the PACK
(unfortunately). This was probably the best played game Clemson had
last season (again, unfortunately). I have to support earlier posts 
regarding the good naturedness of the Clemson fans. It probably helped
that they were kicking our $%# at the time. Though one guy kept 
referring to us as a 'Basketball School', he must have not seen us
play basketball lately :-) Damn them purple jerseys!

|> NC State.  He was played sparingly by the coach, but managed to gain
|> 58 yards on 8 carries, including one beautiful 17-yard touchdown run.
|> With two interchangeable greats at tailback, the Clemson offense
|> may be able to take some pressure off of a passing game that seems
|> at times like an afterthought.

      Rest of game summaries deleted
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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Washington 31-7 win over ASU uninpressive
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:05:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I don't know about you folks, but I thought the win was not impressive.
Too many sloppy plays, penalties, and time delays....It also seemed like
Washington couldn't get their medium to long range passing game back, so
they depended on the short passes. Washington didn't seem to really get a
decent drive rolling along, like the first touchdown was. I agree with
Hobert when he said, "we would've been blown out if we played a top 15
team". Then again, there's always room for improvement; this is only 
the first game. Washington played sour in their first game two years ago.
As for other PAC-10 play...hats off to Cal, I can't wait for the
California-Washington showdown at Husky Stadium, it should be very close
this year because of Gilbertson at Cal (traitor! =).... Now that I look
at the Husky schedule, it's pretty tough.....Nebraska, Cal, Stanford....
I thought Brunell should've been brought in more yesterday...

-- 
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Pac 10
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:41:36 GMT

Congratulations to Cal for a great start to the new season. 

It also seems that USC escaped with a tie in rather lucky
circumstances. Doubtless, the USC fans closer to the action
will fill us in on the details.

Serdar

PS: The Trojans better recover in a hurry or they might be
in big trouble in Norman and then in Seattle.

Go Trojans!
 
-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:03:12 GMT

Steve Phillips writes:

>According to Coach Moeller, the captains said "We want the ball and that
>[pointing] goal."  Curiously, the referee did not hear the part about wanting
>the ball, and awarded the choice of goal, giving ND the option to receive,
>which they did.  Draw your own conclusions...

In my understanding, the winner of the toss can choose one of the following
three (not two of the following three):

     1) receive the ball
     2) choose an end of the field to defend
     3) kick the ball

If coach Moeller is correct in what he was saying, then he should also take 
responsibility for not teaching his players the rules of the game.  That kind 
of mistake is inexcusable.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:17:48 GMT

ped@crchh7.BNR.CA (Pedro Luna) writes:
>|>see that the BYU fans are calling their team the most hated in America.
>|>Huh?? 
>[...] the College Football Sports Illustrated
>issue has an article about this.

Regarding the scientific validity of that article, let me just say
this: the two words "Notre Dame" did not appear in the whole piece,
neither together nor seperately.  Not even when they gave a short list
of "other most hated schools."  How can anyone discuss hatred in
college football without mentioning ND is beyond me.

I guess somebody wanted a new angle for a story about BYU, and "second
most hated team" is just not very catchy.


--Gidi
From: rszczerb@twain.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:31:43 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <BILLMS.92Sep3170544@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>I don't crow when we win and I *don't* bitch when we lose.
>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu


Gee Bill, your last post that said "Michigan would have beaten
ND if the Rocket wasn't playing" sure sounds like bitching to me.

    - Rob
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: A chance at some tickets - Help
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:58:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

A friend of mine is giving me some Patriots ticket, but since I don't
regulary follow football, could those who know give me an idea if any
of these teams are any good.  Or at least rank them, since I know that
we aren't the first people that he offered a choice of a few tickets.

Here are the teams:

Seattle
Cleveland
Indianapolis
Jets

--
Now If only I could get one without the Patroits, then it might be a
good game.
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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Miami vs. Syracuse tickets needed
Keywords: Nov. 21 at Syracuse
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:39:33 GMT

I have a friend here in Austin that needs 6 tickets to the Miami-SU
game on nov. 21 at the Carrier Dome. He doesn't care about the seats--he
told me all of the seast in the Dome are good (which I find hard to
believe, but what do I really care?). Can anyone help him out? If so,
please email me, and I'll put you in contact wiht him.

Thanks,

Jay

-- 
----------------------------------
  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")        
  Department of Astronomy         
  University of Texas at Austin   
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From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Big East Preview for Sept. 19, 1992
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:01:19 GMT
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

Timothy C Pitts writes:
> This week:  Ohio State (2-0).  The Buckeyes are coming off a big win over 
> enigmatic Bowling Green and a tight one over Louisville.  Playing in the
> Carrierdome should work in Pasqualoni's favor as the crowd should be able
> to help out the embattled secondary.  If Syracuse can get the ball to
> Ismail more as well as to the backs to test the Ohio State line, they'll
> break this one open.

At the start of the season, I was really looking forward to this game.
Both teams returned significant numbers of players from last year, and
the bowl game was one of the better NYD games.  I didn't figure OSU had
a better than 50% chance of winning the game, but I did figure that they
had a shot at it.

However, haul out your Heinrich's and turn to p. 82, the all-Big-Ten
rosters.  Note Ohio State's two first-team all-Big-Ten selections.
1. Tackle Alan Kline will miss the game with a badly sprained ankle
suffered last week against Bowling Green.  2. Running Back Robert
Smith will probably miss the game with a cracked rib suffered on a
cheap shot out of bounds at the Louisville game.  (Smith is also an
important contributor on punt and kickoff returns.)

As if that isn't enough, Ohio State's best wide receiver, Joey Galloway
(whom you may have seen behind the Syracuse defense a few times last
year) is out for the game and maybe the season with possible torn knee
ligaments suffered against Bowling Green.  Ohio State's best tight end
suffered a broken leg in fall practice and may be back in a few weeks.
OSU's only experienced QB suffered an ankle injury against Bowling Green,
which noticeable impacted his mobility.  Hopefully, Herbstreit will be
100% for the Syracuse game (but I haven't heard whether or not that is
expected to happen).

My own prediction:  the Syracuse running game won't fare any better
than it did in the HOF Bowl, so I don't expect to see them break the
game open against OSU's defense.  However, OSU's offense won't be up
to the task.  I predict Syracuse 20-3.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: DESPERATE PSU FAN
Keywords: PSU,Lions
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:41:22 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

PLEASE, ANYONE WHO HAS AN UP TO DATE PENN STATE SCORE (PSU vs. Cincy) POST THEM ON
THIS NEWSGROUP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Conference realignments
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:32:15 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Jeff Mejia)) wrote:
}                 The reported take for the SEC championship game RIGHT NOW is a
}cool $12 million ...

I think the payout is not quite this high - the deal with Birmingham 
guarantees a $7 million gate and the TV rights have been sold for
$1.5 million, for a total of $8.5 million.  I think the TV rights
went a little cheap, so that could increase in the future, and there
is also the possibility of <trumpet blare> corporate sponsorship.

"Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Goody's Headache
Powder SEC Championship Game!"

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: tu rumor
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:36:01 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20



  Heard a rumor that the University of Texas would be moving to the 
Big 10/11/12.  Can anyone confirm or deny this with authority?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91

* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
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*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mark Levine: Triumph 		               *


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mark Levine: Triumph 		               *
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From: clammemb@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (matt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue Tix
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:09:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University


>Could any of you Purdue posters tell me if the student ticket sales have
>skyrocketed this week?  I'm assuming so, since I noticed a large amount of
>bandwagon fans while I was there, and the huge upset over Cal would
>certainly be enough to get the bandwagon rolling.

Purdue gave a free ticket to all season ticket holders and new students
(a euphemism for freshmen)

Supposedly this was Colleto's idea.

We'll se how many show up for the showdown against the mighty Toledo.
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: UCLA 92
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:27:13 GMT


The Bruins 1992 Football schedule

S.12	Cal State-Fullerton
S.19	@ Brigham Young
S.26	San Diego State
O.3	@ Colorado State
O.10	Stanford
O.17	@ Washington State
O.24	Arizona State
O.31	@ California
N.7	Oregon State
N.14	@ Oregon
N.21	Southern Cal


As an alum, this does not look tough
Stopping the Aztec's Faulkner and Bears White appear to be the
hardest things this season    

I wonder why Long Beach State is not on the schedule this year ?
I use to enjoy that game a great deal

chris

-- 
	" There will always be a frontier where there is an open mind
          and a willing hand. "

        C. F. Kettering
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: (Longmont, CO) Trojan News, vol. 1
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:41:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Sep4.164040.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>> The real Trojans open their season this Saturday at home, hosting the
>> Overland Trailblazers at Montgomery Field.  Longmont is the 3-time
>> defending 5A state champ and will try to extend its 41-game winning
>> streak,... 
>> 
>> The University of Colorado has two players from Longmont on its team,...
>> 
>Could it have been three players?
>
>Is this the same high school that produced BYU's fine freshman QB Paul
>Shoemaker?

I can't recall the name of Longmont's recent star QB, or what college he
signed with.

>I understand that both Colorado and BYU wanted Shoemaker and Koy Detmer.
>Is this true?  Which team ended up with the better QB prospect?

I don't think CU recruited any local QBs.  Detmer is currently listed as
2nd string for CU, although (1) that may change when Vance Joseph's arm
is healed, and (2) 3rd string junior Duke Tobin might actually see
playing time before Detmer until the coaches are sure that they don't
want to redshirt the freshman.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:17:08 GMT

scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:

>     Who can you trust?
...
>     So what does the net think? Good idea? Bad idea? Long overdue? Never
>needed in the first place? E-mail your responses - I want to kneaux if this 
>is worth your bandwidth. 

   Why not just look at the standings in Chris Stassen's CFPOOL?  I
realize it doesn't have score predictions.  But, in spite of the fact
that I generally watch a painful number of screens scroll by before
I see my name, I think it's a good indicator. 
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 13-Sep
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:35:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

(Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>Here are my rankings through 13-Sep-92.
>
>I know that I will get flamed to no end about Purdue, Kansas, and LSU but
								   ^^^
>
>
>				 Schedule
>
>Rank Team                      Points  Record Strength  Last Week    Change
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1    Washington                95.480   2-0-0  76.306  (  1,  99.175)  +0
>2    Purdue                    92.767   1-0-0  84.175  ( 52,  70.167)  +50
>3    Miami(Fla)                89.532   1-0-0  75.155  (  4,  90.614)  +1
>4    Texas_A&M                 88.867   3-0-0  82.040  (  9,  87.536)  +5
>5    Kansas                    87.150   2-0-0  67.890  ( 27,  77.563)  +22
>6    Michigan                  86.729   0-0-1  82.998  (  2,  92.111)  -4
>7    Nebraska                  86.697   2-0-0  67.170  (  7,  87.921)  +0
>8    Florida                   86.269   1-0-0  69.655  (  3,  90.666)  -5
>9    Penn_State                84.988   2-0-0  69.726  ( 12,  85.108)  +3
>10   LSU                       84.488   1-1-0  83.774  ( 28,  77.200)  +18
 ^^   ^^^
>
>
>Kevin

Bless you my son.
Geaux and compile neaux more....


James (can I get a copy of this preauxgram?) Clyde

-- 
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GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!    |  Who carried a gun and a knife.
James Clyde  LSU '91    |  The gun was all dusty, the knife was all rusty,
  Mayberry Graffiti =>  |  'Cause he never caught a crook in his life."
From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: MSU watch (Rememberances of this year's debacle...)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:23:10 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

After the game Duane writes:
>Well here is the score you have been waiting for:
>
>CMU 24
>MSU 20

NO!  THIS WASN'T THE SCORE I WAS WAITING FOR!!
I WAS WAITING FOR A SCORE ALONG THE LINES OF MSU 49, CMU 10; OR MSU 40, CMU 0!

Unfortunately, the score was indeed CMU 24, MSU 20.

     This time I listened to the game on the radio while at work (I'm a taxi
driver, BTW, so I can get away with it).  MSU didn't have any offense early on,
and their defense was aweful.  CMU was able to drive against them by their own
free will, scoring in three of the last four drives for seventeen of their
twenty-four points.
     This was CMU's greatest victory yet.  Unlike last year, Michigan State was
ready for the Chippewas, our coach was working full time as a coach, and the
students were on campus this year.  And STILL, I heard such excuses as "We
shouldn't be playing a I-AA team" or "They had that extra game under their
belt" in explanation for our loss.
     Perles is now in a similar situation as he was in 1983.  The team is in
need of rebuilding, and he has time on the contract to do it.  Unfortuately for
him, there is no "Let George Do It!" groundswell to carry him through the next
few years.  Now, instead of the (aptly named) Muddy Waters years to build on,
there's memories of his 1987 Rose Bowl victory (half the number of Rose Bowl
Victories as Bo, and less than one tenth the appearances!!) and his chase for
the AD position that has led to the decay of the program to the point of being
outrecruited by NorthWestern.  Perles is in BIG trouble, and this time he has
no easy out through the pros as he did back when he was able to weasel out Job
Security and temporary ADship from the board.
     Any bets about how long before he's pushed out of the coach Position??

Quote of the week:
     MSU will bounch the Chippewas off the schedule next year, which can only
count for a plus.--some Detroit Free Press columnist.

Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: pass interference (was: Re: OU - Tech)
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:30:45 GMT
Distribution: na

Kevin Rodgers writes

+ in the Stanford-A&M game -- "you still can't go through the other player
+ to get to the ball".  If there was a collision (as opposed to incidental
+ contact), there was a foul.

And that holds just as much for the reciever as the defender. I think
the call could have gone either way, and was dependent on the angle of
view. 

Speaking of interference, what is the penalty these days for it? Only
15 yards? or is their a special case for interference in the end zone?

James
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