HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:38:52 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <barrongj.719214752@marsh> barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:
>Tell me, If  the tank on your bike was at 50% capacity, would it be half
>empty or half full????

Neither.  It'd be seriously dented.

>Now that's deep.

Have a shovel.

>Ex Minister of Propaganda for the QMS Emperor.

Wasn't that a dot-matrix printer?


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:26:23 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <92Oct14.151535.15488@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>Okay, denizens...If you caould only have 5 bikes in your garage,
>what would they be?
>
>My list: Ducati 900ss (no, *not* the recent one, bozo)
>         Honda VFR750 (bright red)
>         Harley Softail Springer
>         Yamaha RZ350 (already got one...)
>         Norton Manx
>

My List:
	Laverda V6
	Bimota Tuartra
	Laverda SFC1000
	Bimota DB1 (too small for me, but I know a girl that it may fit..)
	Cagiva GP500 (at the bottom, 'cos I don't think I could ride it)

Seems to be some Italian bias here, Hmmm.

Regards,

============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981                  (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed ?".
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Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:33:58 EDT
From: <JDR118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: STUPID COLLEGE DRIVERS

Well, here is what I do to the idiotic cage drivers  that  have no respect
for bikers.  I wait until I see one of their Yuppiemobiles illegally parked
and then I report them to the campus police.  It makes me feel SOOOOOOOOOO
warm inside to know that I am helping to punish wrongdoers.....................
....HA, HA, HA!!!!!!
      Don't get mad, read the parking regulations, memorize the campus police
phone number, and don't get mad.....GET EVEN!!!!

                                  James D. Ruhlman  Triumph Bonneville 650
                                     DoD#0712       Honda CB550 (now 600)

                  GIVE ME LIBERTY (BIKE) OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Subject: Re: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:36:15 GMT

In article <dbc-121092192101@b62003.student.cwru.edu>  writes:
> In article <9901038@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff  
Deeney)
> wrote:
> > 
> > In rec.motorcycles, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:
> > 
> > > P.S. Does anyone eat Cereal for Breakfast besides me?? 
> > 
> > Yes.  A real man's breakfast.  Bourbon and Wheaties.  
> 
> Rice Krispies and Beer.  Snap, Crackle, Burp.
> 
> | Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
> | Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
> | "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
> | can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |

NumbNutz!! - all of you are numbnutz. A real man eats Fruity Pebbles and  
Mountain Dew. Who needs teeth (teeef) anyway? 'Nuff said.
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Being run over by a car.
Keywords: wreck wreck ouch pain sadness damage
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

Glad to hear that you're (or seem to be) OK. You can buy another bike (not
to suggest that you want to:-{).
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Demise of Harley-Davidson
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:07:29 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Oct13.142452.17200@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan
E. Quist) wrote:
> 
> 
[...]
> to the frame.)  When the bike rolled to a stop at the bottom of the
> hill (rolled in the literal sense, like a James T. Kirk shoulder roll....)
> the front wheel was magically reconstituted with the rest of the bike.

This is a standard feature of the new Harleys.  When injured, a
new Harley will attempt to reconstruct itself.  Now, talk about
smart engineering!  

Makes it just _hell_ to chop 'em, though.  You spend all night
taking shit off and the next morning, it's a full dresser again.

Christie lives.
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11 outperforms Harley, obviously (was Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:43:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct13.204319.5710
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct12.205813.14783@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.060211.22370@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>|In article <1992Oct9.233608.770@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>|>   Arguments of the "investment" potential value of Harley's are laughable,
>|Not compared to the "investment" potential value of any of the sportbikes.
>|Harleys may not keep up with stocks (or they may: things aren't looking all
>[...]
>|Can't say that for ZX-11s, though.  Last I checked the want-ads here, there
>[...]
>
>  I really worry about the intelligence of ANYONE buying a motorcycle for
>the "investment" possibilities, Chuck.  If that is the way you handle your
>financial affairs, perhaps that explains why you are still riding the FJ.
>

   ***    [   210 lines of technical discussion deleted    ]    ***


>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>

Perpetrator identification block above.

Let me reconsider.  I might vote for rec.moto.tech after all if unmitigated
bull-crap like tha above would move to it!  

What's the matter with rec.moto.harley anyway ??

The world wonders!


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Harley bikes  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.203300.12739@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
+If there are any Harleyites out still out there who haven't buggered off 
+to r.mc.h(-d), I have a question. I see you guys on the highways (rarely 
+doing over 80 mph, mind you). You have open face helmets and long beards 
+and no windscreens. I ride with you for an hour or two, then I stop for gas 
+and duck into the can to clean the numerous invertebrates off my shield so 
+that I can see. Disgusting. How can you stand getting all those bugs in 
+your face and beard? How do you clean them out of your beard? Do you just 
+dip your beards in hot water and make soup? Is getting insects embedded in 
+your cheeks and up your nose an enjoyable part of the experience? Since 
+mainly HD riders wear open face lids around here, can I assume that getting 
+bugs in your face is one of the better aspects of riding a Harley and that 
+it makes up for the crappy ride and sore back?

I would answer you, but I have to go wash my beard.

+I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
+     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
+                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Can you get a signature that doesn't make me dizzy?
____________________________________________________________________________
	"Four wheels good; two wheels better" -- Motorcycle Farm????
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            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:37:53 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: >	I keep hearing about something called shaft effect...what is
: >	it?
: 
: Oh, sure!
: 
: You're not going to get an answer out of me, bud!
: 

	Well actually it was a legit question, but it has been answered
by a less paranoid individual....  

	Shesh you people need to lighten up, that or stop programming 
	spark stations....its affecting your realitiy reference...


			Ryan
			.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 02:00:57 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (was Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths)
	<daved.718397875@convex.convex.com>

Howdy,

Wow, major get a clue time here...

daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
> You would have to
> be brain dead if you did not realize that HD is the most fashionable
> motorcycle among the general population.

You sure?  I would've guessed sport bikes.  Maybe that's just because
of the age group I'm in and deal with.

> >1) have you ever actually seen a torque/hp curve for HD's?
> No
> >   1a) have you ever read about HD's?
> Yes, but I don't really care. 
...
> I also
> know they have nothing to do with the original subject of my post, which was
> about the impact of fashion on the number of large HD's sold to people
> with no rider training.

Gee, when I read your message, it seemed to me to be concerned about
people starting out on "one of the largest and fastest" motorcycles.
After everyone told you that Harley's were far from being fast, and in
fact were fairly easy to ride (some folks who, like me, also included
descriptions of first time riders on HD's), the arguement you proposed
changed to "isn't it horrible how people buy Harleys with no training
and get hurt because of fashion."  Which, IMHO is garbage.  Sure
people buy Harleys because they're fashionable.  So what?  First off,
most folks that like Harleys aren't into speed/performance (see
various arguments about the performance of Harley's relative to rice).
Secondly, folks need to start sometime, and there's no reason that an
HD isn't a fine bike (from a safety standpoint) to start on.

> >3) do you usually spout off about something without knowing anything
> >   about it?
> I think I do know something about motorcycles and I admit that HD's are
> not known for there engine efficiency. Just because you are a total 
> pinhead on the subject of performance and go off ranting and raving 
> when I make a general statement that a large engine must offer some 
> degree of performance, regardless of how incompetant you may feel it's
> design is

What folks were trying to do was to correct your misconception of
Harleys as being hard to ride due to their power and size.  You
apparently don't want to accept that.

If you want to convince folks (or me at least) you're gonna have to
offer some stats that support your position.  It seems totally wrong
to me.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:35:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190150.16962@wam.umd.edu>, delilah@next09epsl.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona) writes:

|> a radar detector is a passive device; you can't detect whether someone has 
|> it, but it is fairly easy to let out a pulse of r.f. radiation and see who
|> responds as if using one (i.e., see who suddenly brakes for no other  
|> apparent reason).   and i din't say that they don't use superheterodyne  
|> technology; i said they don't need it (i.e., you can make a functional  
|> radar detector without it).
|> 
|> -D-

You can too detect radar detectors. The detector detectors are neither a myth
nor a joke. Just because someone hits the brakes is no indication. If someone
in front of me steps on the brakes when we're speeding so do I. Are you
categorically denying the existence of detector detectors? You implied
that the heterodyning stage emits a signal. Well all good detectors use it, so
I guess they'd emit a signal, no?

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: kangaroos? (was Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...)
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:21:47 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct16.005807.1710@tac.fi>, tiok_jtk@tac.fi writes:
> 4) BMW R100GS model "Kangaroo"
> -it is said it's "the perfect boxer bike ever made" and there are only
>  10 to 15 bikes in the world...this bike is hand made!!!

what is the "kangaroo" model?  please explain for us depra^Hived
'merikens.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Idiot bicycle races on non-closed courses (was Re: ignore  -  test)
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:04:27 GMT

feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu writes
> In article <Bw1Bo5.J0A.2@cs.cmu.edu>, cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu  
(Sebastian Nightingale Cain) writes:

> In California there is a "Basic Speed Law" that states that 
> regardless of the posted speed limits, drivers are prohibited from 
> driving faster than is safe under the prevailing road conditions. 
> This applies most generally to weather and such but also applies
> to people who go around corners too fast, hitting pedestrians or 
> bicyclists or anyone else unfortunate enough to be in the roadway. 
> This is just common sense. You don't drive so fast that you wouldn't 
> have time to avoid anything that appeared in your path. Therefore, if 
> this ZX-11 driver *had* hit the bicyclists he, not they, would have 
> been at fault and in violation of the Basic Speed Law. 

I'm not sure what vehicle code you're lookin' at but according to a local judge  
here (Calif.), bicyclists are NOT considered road conditions and especially  
during an unregulated race on public roads (but pedestrians are).  At least  
that's how it'll be interpreted.  As for me, I ride both and hate idiots just  
as much as the next dude, but I'm not stupid enough to think bicyclists have  
such special status they would be considered a road condition.  They can  
disobey the law just as poorly as the next clod.
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:20:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Aerostitch - Do they scratch?
Organization: Dances with Hawks
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham) writes:

> I remember reading about a year ago that someone had problem's with
> the stitching in their Aerostitch scratching (fairly badly) the paint
> on the gas tank of their bike.  Since I'm supposed to be receiving my
> suit this week (yeah!), I'd like to know if I should by a tank bra to 
> protect the tank.
> 
> Any information greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> - Mark
> --------
> Mark S. Burnham  (markb@wc.novell.com)
> DoD #747
> '90 ZX750R

  Yes, the suit (the zipper stitching) does mar the finish on the gas
  tank.  I just bought some clear plastic adhesive (the stuff you can
  find in most any auto detail type shops) and applied it to the leg
  indentations on the tank.  Cheap and easy.

  It works nicely on the rear plastic where the bungee cords tend to rub
  too!

  Good ridin' to ya,
  Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson
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Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 01:41:44 -0400 
From: Jyri Virkki <jyri+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: JAGOFFS pretending to be stupid (was Re: Test)


I was looking thru the latest CW and saw a little caption for the
Honda RS250R production racer, with claimed 85hp.
That makes it 340hp/L !! Quite amazing to say the least!

Of course, it costs 18K and altough it doesn't say anything I'd assume
it won't be sold in the US, as usual.

--
Jyri J. Virkki | DoD#561 | jyri+@cmu.edu | Carnegie Mellon University | MSINI
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Impact drivers
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:43:35 GMT

In article <Bw2t0J.6Mx@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>In article <1060@cybaswan.UUCP>, eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) writes:
>> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes: 
>>
>> [...chisel method deleted....] I'm gradually replacing
>> or the cheese-head crap with SS Allen bolts, I've had enough of simple
>> maintenance tasks taking all bloody day because of a single shitty
>> nut/screw/bolt.
>>
>I'd like to do this for my bike, but I've been unable to find any place
>accept the dealer for purchsing SS Allen bolts.  Anyone know of a secret
>distributor?
>

Try looking in your Yellow Pages under fasteners ... most large places
have fastener supply houses - - -  of course, you may have to buy them
in quantities of 100 or so.

>-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
>KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends strip out screws  }
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!) (really DoD pets)
Keywords: Personal to Jack Waters II
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

Your ignorance is showing!!!

In article <1992Oct10.040456.3668@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:

>I use to think I didn't like cats.   Then, I tried oriental food.
						    ^^^^^^^^
	Try "Asian", it doesn't piss us off as much.

>Moo Goo Gui Cat
	 ^^^
	1) That should have been spelled "gai".
	2) If you had bother to find out something about Chinese, you
would have realized that "Gai" means "chicken" in Cantonese. Which
makes your example a little silly.

>Sweet & Sour Cat

	Not a true Chinese dish. Created strictly for the American market.

>General Tso's Cat
>:')  (Actually, I really like cats)
 ^^^
	Some jibes can't be covered by a smiley, and this is one of them.

	Get this racist-third-world-cuisine-cat-eating bullshit off
the net, you stupid-too-ignorant-to-be-a-good-racist newbie you.

>Jack Waters II
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~ Make no Mistake, I am the Red Fishnet.         ~
>~                                DoD#1919        ~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tony Wang
twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

DoD#0122	'89 Yamaha VX535 Virago 	(Gone)
AMA#450147	'85 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S	(Going)
HOG#0550903	'93 XLH-DX Sportster		(Ain't going nowhere)
From: gal@calliope.uucp (Gal Kaplan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Is anyone out there a bike thief?
Keywords: samaritans
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:22:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard University

In article <6130300@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:

>  This reminds me of one time my mother went to a shopping mall.  She
>came out hours later to find a note under the wiper and a totally dead
>car.  Someone had seen the headlights on and, because the car was
>locked, popped the hood and removed a battery clamp.  They had left 
>detailed instructions on how to re-install the clamp to whomever
>returned to the vehicle.  Whatever happened to good samaritans anyway?

Someone did the same for me a few weeks ago; the `parking light' position
on the bike's switch is very close to the `off' position (I usually
check, but...)
The guy (who, it turns out, works in the same building) didn't know who
the bike belonged to, and tried to find out. 
After he couldn't, he disconnected the ground cable, and even went to 
the trouble of taping the right size wrench to the seat 
with an explanatory note (noting the time, so I'd know how far gone
the battery was likely to be), to make sure I could reconnect the cable.
Turned out the guy also rides. 
So, Good Samaritans are still out there.

BTW, after this event, I recharged the battery, and, testing it with
a DMM, I now get 12.06V with no load, and 11.86V  with engine running
at idle w/headlight on. This seems to be a tad low, as I know car
batteries are usually 14V w/o load, a little over 12V under load,
but the dealer says it's OK. The battery's a 20Ah BMW one,
about 3 months old, and is still under warranty.

	~~~
	~~~ Gal		DoD# 623		gal@das.harvard.edu
	~~~
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Keywords: bovine kudu impala lechwe wildebeest pronghorn bison cow
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:45:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) said:
:- >
:- >Most of the postings for this group could be redirected here, so maybe 
:- >bandwidth could be saved by simply removing rec.motorcycles.
:- 
:- Uh, maybe you're just being fooled by the armchair racer talk here, but
:- the vast majority of us don't own turbo- or super-charged bikes, so
:- high.pitched.whining is irrelevant.


	that certainly puts me in the minority then.... for the gs500e
	is the latest in super-charged turbo-powered high-pitch-screaming
	cutting-edge sportbike technology!

	well at least, thats what the insurance people think! ;)

	peace,

	- ravi


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