From: u9264442@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew William Easton)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Creation & Evolution - the great side issue.
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:04:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

callum@bain3.bain.oz.au (Callum Gibson) writes:

>Andrew William Easton (u9264442@cc.uow.edu.au) wrote:
>> (stuff deleted)
>> >that God created man in his own image, especially.  Death entered the world
>> >through sin, but if we'd evolved then death would have been in the world
>> >already.
>> What makes you say that? I can't see any reason why that would be the case.

>You can't see any reason why death is needed for evolution or why death wasn't
>around before the fall?  I explained it below but maybe you missed it?

Why is death needed for evolution? I'm going to be flamed to death for asking
that, because evolution takes a _very_ long time, but does it directly rely on
death in any way?

>> >Sort of.  As I said above, there's more behind it than just the scientific
>> >description of what happened.  I mean, what is the reason we are so tempted
>> >to believe in evolution?  It's because we want to make it compatible with
>> >science, we want to believe scientists more than God.
>> No, we just want to explain what we can see (one of the central reasons for
>> any religion). The Lord never said that the world did not evolve, so we are 
>> not disbelieving him to say it did.

>As you may have noticed, I'm not particularly wrapped by all the scientific
>issues at hand here, mainly because I'm not a scientist and so I'd have to
>take someone else's word for it which so far has gotten me nowhere.  What I'm
>saying is that even though the bible does not explain how God made the world,
>if any theory comes along that apparently has theological implications in
>it then surely we must examine it carefully.  You keep saying it doesn't but

As I have just said, we could have evolved to this stage without death
(unlikely, but possible). Any other problems?

(heaps of stuff about the neccesity of no death deleted)

>> >Foundation attributes of lot of modern society's attitudes to the ideas that
>> >are in harmony with evolution, namely that there is no God and that the world
>> >just got like it is of it's own accord.
>> They are not the ideas of evolution. Evolution does not deny God, and there is
>> no proof (although some people believe it anyway) that the hand of God was not
>> involved.

>I agree that evolution does not directly deny God's existence.  But we have
>to look at more than just that.  Evolution may have affect the way we think
>of God, for example.  If evolution has theological implications then it is
>important we try and understand them.  Don't keep saying that it has no
>bearing.  Please explain why you think it doesn't (perhaps wrt my example).

Okay, I agree, and I will deal with the theoloical implications as I realise
them (or somebody points it out to me). Happy?

>> >> Best wishes,
>> >cheerio
>> bye.
>adios.
Have fun, and don't do anything I wouldn't do.
(That leaves your options fairly open)
>regards,
>    Callum
>-- 
>Callum Gibson                           callum@bain3.bain.oz.au
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