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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:23:56 GMT

jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:

>saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:

>>>  Also, while there are still places that don't recognize Copyright Law, it's
>>>not really pertinent to the issue of piracy in places that do, is it? 

>>First you say that pirating is against the law, and therefore inexcusable.
>>Now when confronted with a society which allows pirating without breaking
>>a law, you want to throw it out as not pertinent.

>  Like I said, which you conviently edited out, companies are not exporting
>their products to countries that don't recognize Copyright Law, so it's not 
>pertinent.

It is pertinent, since MANY pirated software titles come from these 
nations.  If this doesn't sound logical to you, then we have nothing
more to talk about.

>>People disobey laws which they do not agree with all of the time.  Perhaps
>>you don't, and that is interesting, but we are not talking about JUST you,
>>and your belief that American Law is one True Religion.

>  You're such a twit.  Copyright Law is not a strictly American phenomena,
>it's practically globally accepted these days, ever hear of the Bourn
>Convention?

>  And, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that people break laws.  Ironically,
>those that break "traditional" laws, like stealing a car, actually take on
>some measure of risk in the process and never whine rationalizations if they're
>caught.

>  Pissant pirate-twerps probably don't have the balls to actually steal a car
>though, eh?

Or maybe they feel stealing cars and the like is wrong.  Do try
and understand this: TO MANY PEOPLE, THERE IS A GREAT DISTINCTION
BETWEEN COPY-PIRACY AND TANGIBLE THEFT.

But since you haven't gotten it by now, you probably aren't going to.
It is true enough that many pirates wouldn't have the "balls" to
steal a car, though I myself wouldn't resort to such language to 
prove it.  I have always thought that taking away the possibility
of punishment increases crime, and therefore exposes ones true
morals.  Make sense?  If so, then you will agree that software piracy
is an excellent example of what many people believe in, yet would
not necessarily admit.

This discussion was intended to give the anti-pirate people some
insight into the rationale behind many pirates; pirates who don't
view pirating as strict theft for more reasons than because they
simply cannot get caught.  However, it appears that you represent
a sensitive side of the anti-pirate community who doesn't want
to know what others are thinking, because it simply pisses you off
to the point of name calling.

I hope the rest of you have learned something, besides what a
"twit" I am.

Scotty AJ

>  -jack-
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From: ele0136@sys.uea.ac.uk (A. Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: My GVP A500-HD+ is making some super-mega-weird noises!
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:44:52 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

s922715@otto (Merlin) writes:

>batman@amigans.gen.nz (Kerry Emerson) writes:

>>My GVP A500-HD+ is making some super-mega-weird noises!  Well, it IS!
>> 
>>It will be going perfectly find for ages, then every so often, it sounds 
>>like the speed of the fan or something slows down, then speeds up again.  
>>Sounds weird, and makes me very nervous. :)  Anyone know whats wrong with 
>>my little HD?

>Well I can't tell you what's wrong, but I can tell you I have had exactly the 
>problem you describe with my Impact Series2 A550+ HD.
>I assumed it was a problem with the power supply, basically because one night
>the thing made a loud pop, visable spark and stopped working.

I too had the same slowing going on in my GVP Series II HD 8+. Mine had (and still has)
4 Mb of FAST RAM in it. The power supply always get really hot. When the fault developed
I had problems reading from the disk during these slowing down periods : 'READ WRITE ERROR
ON.......' - you know the one! 

>At the time the HD was about 2 months old, and still under waranty.
>GVP in Melbourne Australia, have been very good at replacing my power supplies
>so far we have had 4. They informed me last time that they have had 'some'
>trouble with their power supplies, but have changed suppliers or some such. 
>I have not had any rouble with the current supply <yet>.

I sent mine back to the place where I bought it and they sent it on to GVP for me. After
a couple of months I got it all back. A note was scribbled on a 'Post It' label
saying something like: Could not find any fault. Power supply replaced as a precaution.

>David..

So far mine's been O.K. but until I've had this new supply for a few years I'm not going
to trust it. (I make regular backups to floppy!)

Adam Harvey.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: Piracy
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:48:20 GMT

In article <1e991mINNfre@bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca>, c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler) writes:
> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
> > You want a better equasion?!
> > 
> > Software Piracy = Shoplifting
> 
> Actually this isn't true. Software piracy creates two copies of a a program
> where only one existed before. Shoplifting doesn't create anything.
> 
> Software piracy also doesn't affect shopowners in the same way as shoplifting
> because the software is still on their shelves...
> 

That's the point. Regardless of intentions, the pirate deprived the shopowner
of income by NOT buying the item off the shelf. Hence, the shopowner loses
a sale. At least with shoplifting, insurance will re-pay part if not all
losses due to shoplifting. Either way, the general public gets screwed by the
persons breaking the law; Our insurance rates increase to make up the loss
in claims; software developers stop developing because they don't have enough
sales to justify support.

-- 
	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:18 GMT

In article <BxtLp7.JnE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Wait, did I hear right?  The A4000 has no flicker-fixer?!  But if the
>A3000 had one, why wouldn't they put it in the A4000?  Now we have to go
>out & buy a f-fixer for $200-$300?  *SIGH*  Geez.  Of course, this is
>what I heard.. if I'm wrong, please correct me. :)

True, the A4000 has no flicker-fixer hack, but it does have something much
better called the AGA chipset and the 3.0 system software.  The reason that
they did not put one in the A4000 is that it is not only an expensive part,
it is also a hack which has some problems.

I have been using an A4000 since Friday with the exact same SVGA monitor
that I was using with my A3000.  The only software that has problems are
EuroHacks and games that do not obey the rules.  The problem goes away
completely if I use a multiscan that syncs down to 15kHz.

The 3.0 software will automatically "promote" older modes to use the dblNTSC
and dblPAL modes which do not flicker.  And contrary to what others may have
said, it is very easy to get software that breaks the rules to work.  With 
the exception of some games and EuroDemos, all software that worked on the
A3000 works on the A4000.  Of course, I'm the type of person who refuses to
keep trash on my hard drive, so that may be a factor.

The A4000's method of flicker-fixing in software and hardware has several
advantages over the A3000 approach.  First, the annoying 1/2 line flicker
is gone, as is the jitter when a pointer is moved quickly.  Also, every
screen is centered properly on the display and looks better than the A3000
does when using the same monitor.

A word to the wise: Don't listen to what MB and others might say.  They have
shown time and again that they are not only annoying, they are also just plain
ignorant of the facts.
 
>Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
>shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu







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From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:12:10 GMT

jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:

>thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:

>>While I don't condone piracy, I do believe that some of the points
>>that the original poster had in favor of Piracy are valid, as are some
>>of the anti-piracy arguments. Morally, piracy is probably wrong, but 
>>then "morals" are all relevent to something else.

>  "probably wrong"?  Sure sounds to me like you don't have the ability to 
>make up your own mind.  

>  When you get right down to it, piracy violates copyright law, end of 
>subject.  Anything that tries to validate breaking the law is a pathetic
>attempt at rationalization.


Again, MORALS and LAWS vary greatly, I believe in Spain or somewhere there
abouts, there is no such thing as copywritten software, it's a free for all,
and it is acceptable to do such things. Again, I said I do *NOT* condone
piracy, I can mearly see both sides of the story. And yes, I am quite
capable of making up my own mind [some consider me stubborn or pig-headed
8-)  ]
 

Now, please note that the Spain example is here-say, and mearly an
example of how things differ/ are not the same for all.
 

Thomas
.

>  -jack-
From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Subject: Re: A4000 Winner?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:33:36 CST
Organization: Operation Mindcrime

Barry McConnell (bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie) wrote:
: >Who won the A4000 in the '4000 Reasons to own an Amiga' contest?
:
: Uh, Mark Barrett?
:
: :-)

Oh, no! don't give it to him! He'll sell it for a downpayment on a car! 8-)

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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:19:23 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: faatcrl.faa.gov

thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:

>Again, MORALS and LAWS vary greatly, I believe in Spain or somewhere there
>abouts, there is no such thing as copywritten software, it's a free for all,
>and it is acceptable to do such things. Again, I said I do *NOT* condone
>piracy, I can mearly see both sides of the story. And yes, I am quite
>capable of making up my own mind [some consider me stubborn or pig-headed
>8-)  ]

  Well, thanks for confirming your position on piracy since your previous 
post did seem to cast you as a fence-sitter...

  Also, while there are still places that don't recognize Copyright Law, it's
not really pertinent to the issue of piracy in places that do, is it?  Besides,
companies do not export their products to countries that don't offer Copyright
protection, so the argument is rather pointless anyway.

  I'm still a bit puzzled however, what "side" is there to piracy to "see"?
Outside of evaluating a program before purchasing it, which is the only ethical
reason I can see for using something that you don't own, I can't think of 
anything that allows one to use a pirated copy of software without violating
the law in the process.

  -jack-
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 - No H.D drive, no 68030?
Keywords: Commodore F**k up again!
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:48:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:

>I read Amiga Format too, and I read the article.   Perhaps I forgot to mention in
>my first article, that (in the PC market anyway) the difference in price between
>a DD and an HD drive was only a few quid.

>Sorry, but Commodore's argument doesn't wash.   I rekon in the short to medium
>term, A1200's will appear with HD drives, probably March at the earliest.

There are >100 companies producing IBM HD floppy drives.  Yet, there is
only *1* company (Chinon?) producing Amiga HD floppy drive.

Remember: the dual speed Amiga HD floppy drive is unique.  Chinon designed
it specifically for the Amiga...

Supply and demand, my friend.  Don't you see?\

>					The beef sandwich.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:01:37 GMT

In article <Bxuotn.KnK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.202918.25113@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>In article <BxtLp7.JnE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Wait, did I hear right?  The A4000 has no flicker-fixer?!  But if the
>>>A3000 had one, why wouldn't they put it in the A4000?  Now we have to go
>>>out & buy a f-fixer for $200-$300?  *SIGH*  Geez.  Of course, this is
>>>what I heard.. if I'm wrong, please correct me. :)
>>The A4000's method of flicker-fixing in software and hardware has several
>>advantages over the A3000 approach.  every
>>screen is centered properly on the display and looks better than the A3000
>>does when using the same monitor.
>
>   That is not what has been said around these newsgroups.  If I had a dime
>for every person who has posted about the problems with screens not being
>centered correctly on the A4000, I'd buy a workstation.  The A4000 seems to
>have exactly the same problems as any other Amiga without a flicker fixer:
>when you setup the monitor to center certain modes, other modes go off-center,
>often by quite a lot.  The advantage of a flicker-fixer is that it boosts 
>all non-30nS 15Khz modes so that all can be centered properly.  You just do
>not have centering problems on the A3000.  

Marc, if you don't believe me, please feel free to come on down and see it in
action.  I have been using a dblNTSC 676x473 64 color Workbench with mode 
promotion turned on and every screen is centered properly.  The RLoginVT 
screen that I'm typing this on is centered, DPaint IV is centered, ADPro is
centered, as is everything else that I have tried.  I can use the dblPAL,
Productivity, and Euro72 modes for the Workbench and everything remains
properly centered.

As for the A3000 not having centering probelms, that is where you are wrong.
When I run the same programs on the A3000, I have to use left-Amiga-C to
center the screens (some sort of commodity).

Don't make the mistake of trying to tell me what the A4000 and A3000 can
or cannot do based on what you have heard.  I have both of the machines and
know what their respective capabilities are, and that is a fact that you can
count on.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: No Hard Disk light!!!  Is this important???
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:49:25 GMT



It has just come to my attention that I have not seen the little green
light flicker during activity on my hard disk for quite some time. I'd
guess it has been at least a month now.

I first noticed when I changed Kermit versions that the light no longer
flickered every few seconds during a download.  I *thought* it was the
fault of the new kermit.

Now I notice that the light is non-existant, though I can hear the
disk, etc and everything seems to work well.  (I *did* get one validation
error a couple of months ago that spooked me, but that is all the
excitement the disk has given me (aside from what is on it :>) )

Should I be concerned about this??  I think it's nice to know when the
drive is being accessed.  At least then I can *see* that something is
loading and not just hanging.

It's a GVP IMPACT A2000-8/X SCSI card with a 40 meg Quantum attached to it.
There is also 2 Meg of FASTRAM on the card.

I keep daily backups of changed files so I will lose very little if this
is an imminent crash signal.

Could I have knocked something loose when I vacuumed the machine and the 
fan cage?  I did that about a month or so ago.  If such is the case, what
did I loosen? 

Could it be a *gasp* VIRUS??? 

Any help would be apreciated...

Crystal
  ;>
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Query - HD replacement drives?
Keywords: HELP!
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:55:23 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Is it possible on machines with WB2.04 and above, to replace the internal
double density drive, with a high density alternative?

Is there a British supplier?

The machine I have is an A500+.

					The beef sandwich.
From: cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk (Richard O Lavey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:56:24 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) Writes :

>Among the BAD arguments against piracy:
>
>	The assertion that because pirated music is degraded in
>	quality, it is "okay" to steal.
>
>
>This has led me to some simple and logical conclusions:
>
>For one, most people steal copywritten material, be it music,
>software, text, etc.  Therefore, most anti-pirate beings are 
>hypocritical.

One interesting new development on this are the new Philips DCC ads that are appearing in the U.K. One of the "reasons" for buying DCC put forward in these ads is 'to make a digital copy of your CDs' (NB this is not a direct quote).

So there you have it, Philips now condones Music Piracy :-) !

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From: thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Snaps in the future?
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:43:35 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

I miss a function in all type of "SNAP" program: Cut and paste with _one_
button on the mouse like this:
    1. Right button and a movement for an example 10 pixels or more
       will mark/select text.
    2  Right button and a movement within 10 pixels will paste.

or

    1. Right button down and move will get select.
    2. Double clic right button will paste.

You will loose the possibility of select text from menus but that could be
done with a hotkey.

Is it possible to make this function? I like Powersnap but it's hard to use two
buttons at the same time on the mouse, I have a 3 button mouse so for me it's
possible to cut and paste only with the mouse, but I want to do it easier!

THANX,
	Thomas Lydhig	/	thly@pe.chalmers.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Subject: 040 boards for the A3000
Originator: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:07:06 GMT


Could someone give me a summary of the 040 options available for the A3000?

Ken
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AMIGA STINKS (THE STORY CONTINUES)
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:51:12 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <Bxz4zC.2oI@newcastle.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov14.164724.7387@hubcap.clemson.edu>, charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
> > hepzibah@zooid.guild.org (Ken Rosser) writes:
> > 
> > >From: infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann)
> > >>
> > >>I FUCKING HATE AMIGAS!!!
> > >>ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED
> > 
> > >You're just jealous, aren't you?
> > 
> > Naaah.  Methinks it's just another poor sap who left his account logged in...
> > 
> > (One would hope...)
> > 
> 
It's "THE" Atari ST owner, he's looking for the guy with the ZX81 to keep him
company.

HE/SHE NEEDS TECHNICAL ADVICE FROM THE BLOKE WITH THE SUPERIOR MACHINE! :)


 
 					The beef sandwich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:07:12 GMT

In article <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
>
>Duh!  Gee, George, ain't that the whole reason there is an argument?  
>You equate piracy with theft, and then tell us you can't come up with an 
>example because it is so very different from theft!
>
>Piracy _is not_ theft.  I will concede that piracy may be morally and 
>legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft.  Theft, by definition, implies 
>depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are 
>not physical property_.

Actually, even the dictionary is unclear about the meaning of theft...
definitions are given both implying deprivation for the original owner,
and simply the act of illegally taking something.  But let's not reduce
the problem to semantic quibbling...that trivializes it.

Consider the following situations

	1) Someone illegally photographs U.S. military secrets
           and sells it to the Soviet Union

	2) Industrial espionage gets the business plans of a
           corportation into the hands of a comptetor.

	3) Someone Xeroxes the paper you wrote after 2 years
	   of intensive research and presents it as his own,
	   taking credit for an important discovery

	4) A student plagiarizes (without credit, of course)
           passages from literature and includes them in her term paper.

In all cases, no one is deprived of their original "merchandise", but
few people would hesitate to use the word  "theft" in describing the
crimes.  What IS stolen is information, and if you think information
does not have value in and of itself, you're dead wrong.

Piracy if theft of intellectual property.  If you don't want to
use the word "theft", pick another.  But don't delude yourself
by hair-splitting.

						Ben Weber


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