From: rzantout@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rached N Zantout)
Subject: OK, OK, I will stop
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:24:48 GMT


Hi

By mistake, Ibaa sent me this article that he intended to send to SCA, so here
I am posting it for him.


rached
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:56:04 +0100
From: oueichek@gram.imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Message-Id: <9301212356.AA08632@gram.imag.fr>
To: rzantout@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rached N Zantout)
Subject: Ok, Ok, i'll stop it (Re: STOP IT)

In article <1993Jan21.182335.729@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> you write:
: A friend asked me to post this message for him.
: 
: 
: rached
: 
: 
: ------------------------------------------------------------------
: Subject: STOP IT (was Re: Religious bickering and 
: 
: I hope this personal war b/w ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc comes to an end.
: One doesn't have to blame Hamza for all of this.  The whole war if
: I am not mistaken started when aziz started making fun of what hamza
: was saying, then later ibaa came and sided with aziz, then hamza
: came back and did what he did.  Of course what I, personally, think
: was a result of what others did to him. 
: 
  Aziz started making fun of what Hamza was saying. And what was Hamza
  saying ?. He was "the Christians are our ennemies", "Christians hate
  Muslims", and had all his package of ad hominem attacks against us.
  We just tried to correct him. He insisted on being sectarian and later
  he cried the wolf. I'm sorry, but when you spend your time playing the
  pearcher in front of thousands of people reading this group you need
  to have a minimmum of self control and respect of people.
  And i beg to differ, this is not a war. I don't hate Hamza, i don't
  wish he leaves his faith. I only asked him not to judge us, it's not
  his right, and not of anyone else, there's only ONE judge, G-d.

: If this war is to come to an end, one of the following has to be done:

: 
: - All of ibaa, hamza, aziz are to stop posting to the sca
:   and play somewhere else.
  How about : we continue posting to sca, but we close this subject, "wa
  Afa Allahu Amma Salaf". This subject has never been of my main interest
  and there's noone who wishes to stop this "holy war" more than me. I've
  tried to start a new thread, really "cultural", and i'll de my best to
  continue it.

: - All must not respond to one other messages by either ignoring
:   them or using kill files.

 Excuse-me, i can't let anyone accusing me of being a potential ennemy and
 keep silent. And the support he has got on this same forum proves he's not
 the only one to think this way.

: - Aziz must stop criticizing islam and muslims.
:   Hamza must stop criticizing christians.
:   Ibaa must stop playing the judge of the net and 
:   propose to people what they must post and what must not.
: 
  I'm not playing the judge, i have no mean of closing your net access. And
  it was never my intention. But be objective, PLEASE, i was answering to
  Hamza who said that something like art and music is garbage and trash. Isn't
  it my right to say he's wrong ?. Is it a crime to ask people to respect this
  group and not use it as a propaganda medium for obscure groups ?. Again, if
  WE don't take care of our culture and our heritage who will ?. I'm really
  astonished because you feel my attitude is odd, this is group is too much
  abused and this must come to an end, and i'll never push the 'u' key.


: If none of the above is feasible, please all of you try to grow up
: and respect others' opinions even if it was offending to you, and 
: understand no one will change his mind because he reads few articles
: of one of yours.  If christians want to post what they believe, let
: them do that.  If jews want to post what they believe, let them do
: that.  If muslims want to post what they belive, let them do that.
 No, if Muslims believe we are their ennemies then they are not welcome
 to post that, because it WRONG. Is it clear ?. This is not an opinion,
 this is a provokation and it creates unwelcome resentment. And it's
 obvious who was provoking the other and who was quoting divine sources.

:   
: 
: >  May G-d forgive you for your bad thoughts about my intentions.
: >  Ibaa
: 
: Amin
: 
: Final Appeal, if any of ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc finds this was 
: a step towards stopping this war, please reply to this message,
: saying that you will abide to it.
 I have already decided to drop the subject (notice that i had already
 stopped). I hope Hamza will correct has false opinions about us, and
 i don't want to say anything about the subject anymore.

: 
: 
: Taheeati
: -________________________________________________________________----
: 

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