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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.030552.5286@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>Curiously, do you know how it compared to SimEarth for Windows?
>>The Amiga version has been written with AmigaDOS 2.0 in mind, so it has the
>>same underlying GUI design principle. Maxis is one of a few companies that
>>has utilized the high-resolution capabilities of the system and one which
>>I'm willing to bet will develop applications using increased palettes and
>>on-screen colours. Nicely done.

>gain: do you know how it compaired to the WINDOWS version?  MS-Windows?

Once again: the AMIGA version ie. COMMODORE AMIGA, incorporates the same
windowing metaphor and uses the native graphics system and sound to its fullest
extent, while preserving the pre-emptive multitasking capabilities of the
OS.

It will not do 1024 x 768 in 256 colours, if this is what floats your boat.

Mark

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From: tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:24:55 EDT

>>
>>A600	68000+ECS+KS3.0		$199 US

Sorry, but in Italy it's for sale at  >700$ (no KS3.0, of course).
I don't see how it could cost less then 500$ here in USA (to be optimistic).
(The price of the A500+ is 100$ less).

Stefano Tine'

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From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:30:21 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>In article <tony.714185930@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>>Just three days ago, I read on one amiga group, c.s.a.misc I *think* a post
>>by one of the AmigaVision developement people (a Cathy G., I believe) that a
>>stand alone runtime player is to be included in the *next* release of
>>AmigaVision.
>>
>>I would take that to mean it's not dead.

>   If all that Commodore can manage to develop after more than two years is
>a standalone player, AmigaVision might as well be dead.


Don't be such an ass Marc.  I didn't say that's _all_ it included.  Cathy's
response was to a direct question asking if a runtime player was to be
included in the next release.  She answered that question.


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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: HPFS Re: Amiga file system
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:02:22 GMT


On the topic of OS/2 and Amiga file systems: I don't think anyone has
mentioned that the HPFS is supposed to be "fragmentation resistant".

I don't know if this feature is embedded in the disk/directory
structure itself, or is simply due to the particular allocation
algorithm used in the current HPFS driver.

Paul
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 16:43:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug21.024905.2346@nmsu.edu> <1992Aug21.130808.15449@ra.msstate.edu>
  <1992Aug22.152913.6071@nmsu.edu>

So how will everyone feel if the "new machines" announced are
the 600 and the 3000T-'040?

Just wondering.
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From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: DIR
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.175501.25691@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>
>I didn't say that the Amiga has *no* applications.  I said that the Amiga has
>no applications like Word, Excel, etc.  Big difference.

As a devout Amiga lover, I admit that I love Word for windows.

I hate its price tag, and wonder how long it will take for a comparable program
to appear on the Amiga.  (Seriously, there are ALOT of amiga users out there
that want a nice wordprocessor).

I still can't get used to the 8 character file names.  They drive me Banannas.

Michael

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Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:12:34 EST
 <1992Aug22.225809.26006@hfsi.uucp> <1992Aug23.015249.11776@usl.edu>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug23.015249.11776@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> In article <1992Aug22.225809.26006@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>>3) Bridgboards are too slow, limited, and expensive to make it worthwhile

	Actually, from my experience, comparing the 286 PCs with the A2286
	bb, the bb has very respectable performance in raw computing speed.
	Of course, I talking 8-12mhz.

	The way the bb operates in the Amiga environment is also noteworthy.
	Being able to run the PC in a window on the Workbench screen, easily
	copy files back and forth etc.

	I really get the feeling that Commodore has made a decision somewhere
	along the line not to make the bb equiped Amiga *too* good, because
	obviously if a bb equiped Amiga ran software as good as a clone,
	developers would have less incentive to create Amiga specific apps.

	Pricewise, I can buy a new 16-mhz 286, mail order, sans monitor for
	what I paid for the bb. 

> 
> Yes, but how well can this be done? The 386SX BB, last I heard, cost comparable
> to a full up 386SX clone.  Is it worthy compared to that?  Perhaps if desk
> space is limited.  How many ISA ports does the BB have?  Oh, that's right, the
> Amiga has some..right?
> 

	On my 2000 there were (are) two AT slots, one is taken up by the bb,
	and two XT slots.  The XT slots had the traces and holes to make them
	into AT slots, so I went down to the local electronis surplus store
	and got the connectors and soldered them in.  (Kiss the ground,
	thank GOD, they worked).  So, the 2000 has potentially 3 ISA slots
	available (at least with my mb revision).

> Look, I was just explaining why I thought BBs were generally Not Worth It.
> It may be worthwhile, as I said, to people bringing workhome, or wanting
> the use the extra software, or lacking desk space.  But the price is a major factor.

	Yes, this is a debateable issue.  When you are talking raw dollars,
	and only 99% compatibility, the bb looses, no question.  But when
	you are talking having an Amiga and a DOS machine in one box, married
	together, the bb wins.  *YOU* have to decide.

> 
>>John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:     hfsi!ata@UUNET.UU.NET
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:09:24 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
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In article <root.0295@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.091858.11221@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> >   It is a matter of public knowledge (from Commodore's annual reports for
> >the past three years) that Commodore has been spending upwards of $15 Million
> >per year on a new fabrication facility in Hong Kong.  It is also a matter
> >of public record that the Commodore Semiconductor Group in the U.S. has been
> >closed.  It makes sense to me that the rest of design and development would
> >be shifted to be close to where the new fabrication facilities are located.
>
> This would seem to be politically unsound on the part of Commodore.  When
> China takes over Hong Kong in 1997, Commodore could easily lose that plant.
> At this time, companies who are already in Hong Kong are working on
> contingency plans for pulling out.
>
> It's almost funny.
>

I believe that CBM has invested the money that Marc claims ($15 Mil) in their
NEW Phillipines production facility...  Again, the facts are close, but not
100% accurate.

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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:42:20 GMT

In <1992Aug19.081758.1844@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Dave , why does Commodore have to maintain compatability in the Amiga line?
>Apple makes major changes that break a lot of software all the time. Why
>cant Commodore do the same?

Well, even Apple does it _not_ all the time. But the difference is that
Apple has a larger software base. If one special productivity software
fails there are others of the same type working and since there is a
larger competition the failing program will be updated soon.

And quite a large part of compatibility problems lies in games. Nearly no
game is written to C= guidelines. This effectively forces the Amiga to
be 99% hardware compatible to the A1000.

> I'm tired of Commodore crippling the Amiga's
>future by trying to stay compatible with the 7mhz 68000 crowd. We want memory
>protection and resource tracking.

No, you want to use the same buzzwords as the competition.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:57:35 GMT

>>When I first heard about the IDE interface I thought it sucked, but it
>>will be nice to be able to add huge and cheap hard drives.  Still, I
>
>But it's a *slow* interface...  Compare it to the 386/486 boards with IDE
>interface: it's the bottleneck of these machines.  It's ashame that machines
>with such processing power are released with the IDE interface in stead of
>EISA or SCSI.

	I never seem to notice this awful bottleneck on my 486.  Maybe I'm
   not running the right programs that show the IDE interface to be so slow.

							G.Greene

>
>
>Harald Tempelman <tempelma@prl.philips.nl>
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:36:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.224308.16231@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>Commodore has already decided to kill AmigaVision, 

	Marc, stop wording things this way. I enclose the full quote below.
If you mean to say "Commodore hasn't released any AmigaVision updates in a 
while", then say that. Okay?


>For all I know, Commodore has already decided to kill AmigaVision, 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Exactly Marc. I used to disbelieve some of the things posted here
about your comments. But recently I think I have become a convert. I was
appalled when I heard CDTV was dead. You were kind enough to break this to me.
I was also greatly relieved when I learned that CDTV is not dead. I think
CDTV will make it some day. 

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From: ganoe@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Craig Ganoe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Keywords: CDTV, CD-I, MPEG, Photo-CD
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:28:03 GMT
Organization: GE M&DSO - VF

In article <kdarling.713421840@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> >kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> >>OTOH, it is probable that current CDTV models cannot be expanded with MPEG.
> >>But then, I don't believe Commodore has ever promised that they could be.
> >
> > Why do you say that? That is not what we've been told all along. MPEG will
> > be in CDTV. Now whether or not it needs to be upgraded is another story. I
> > would be very annoyed if the current one can't support it. C= has a very
> > good policy re upgrades. 
> 
> Depends on your idea of what constitutes an "upgrade".  A new motherboard?
> Yah, I've previously said that Commodore is good about trade-ins.  But at
> what cost?  Philips will be almost giving away their plug-in card at $200.
> 
> Show me one official statement from Commodore saying that the current CDTV
> model can be easily and cheaply fitted with MPEG.  And I don't mean more
> junk from kiddie BBSs or silly Amiga rumor columns either (like all that
> wasted talk about a DCTV addon card).
> 

OK, this is a quote from Jim Dionne of Commodore in the April 92 issue of .info
responding to their comparison of CDTV and CD-I: 
"... Further, CDTV is an evolutionary product. Technical advances such as CD-XL 
will bring richer, more rewarding applications to a format that is mature,
inexpensive and powerful. Once an MPEG chip is available, CDTV will have
full-motion capability, and a chipset that can be easily retrofitted to units
already in the market. And CDTV can have Photo CD capability, once licensing
arrangements with Kodak and Philips have been completed. ..."

As for prices, I don't see anyone spending $1000 for a MPEG FMV machine that
plays movies in worse quality than VHS, when I can get a Laserdisc player with
great video quality and CD sound for $300-$400. Multimedia applications is where
MPEG will stand out, and it is yet to be seen if that market will find a place
in the home.

> > [...]

> [...]

> best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>

Craig
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:38:53 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>You're right, it was the Soothsayer who said:  "Beware the Ides of
>March!!!".  ;)  Julius Caesar was walking into the doors of the Senate
>meeting, I believe...

Of course, we now know that the soothsayer wasn't talking about Caesar's
upcoming death, but about something much further in the future:

"Beware the machines with IDE disk interfaces!"

:-)

kev <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com (Paul Heu vd Netherlands)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:54:22 GMT
Organization: Commodore Netherlands

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> 
> What the hell does this mean?  What does OS/2 have to do to multitask as
> effectively as UNIX or AmigaDOS?  Do you know what you're talking about at
> all?

How about the ability to open a shell, start an editor which
detaches itself from that shell, opens it's own screen and
return the shell to the user who can then use the SAME shell
for another operation..

How about the option to open an application on another screen
(or a window on any public screen is allowed). Th biggest
problem I have with PC's (and MACs for that matter) is you
HAVE to open any application on ONE screen. 

Even AmigaUNIX enables you to login more times on the same
machine on different screens.

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From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Amiga 4000/FALCON
Keywords: Amiga,Falcon
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:12:28 GMT

This is in resonse to Steve Wootton.  I lost your email address...

Article Begins:  

>Which UNIX?  Linux, which is POSIX-compliant (mostly), runs in 2Mbytes.  
>Coherent 3 runs in 512K.  V7, well, I'll get to that.

I'm talking about AT&T Unix SYS 5 REV 4.  Not one of these wimpy imitations.
Coherent???? HA AHAHHAHHAHHA!!  It's just a toy!!  V7 is somewhat old and
used by people who can't afford the real thing.  Let's get this straight when
I metion UNIX anywhere in this reply I am referring to the FULL BLOWN SYSTEM,
not some toy like Coherent.
  
>True.  Just over 20, actually.

Yes, quite alot longer than most OSs in use today.

>Uh, bound to be big?  Multi-user, yes.  But for the longest time, UNIX ran 
>in 64K of RAM on the DEC pdp8 family.  The pdp8 may have been a "minicomputer" 
>when it was new, but an 80286 would embarrass it fairly seriously today.

Yes,bound to be large because of all of the services the full UNIX S5R4 system
provides.  Also, when was the last time you saw someone using a PDP8???  We
are talking about the present here.  Let's also get THIS straight, since you
seem to have trouble keeping your head with the present technology and out
of the realm of toys such as coherent. Whenever I say "mainframe", "mini-  
computer" or any other computer related term I a NOT referring to something
like the PDP8,  or anything older.  Let's confine our discussion to the pre-
sent.
    
System 5 combines Xenix, AT&T Unix, BSD, SunOS, and a few other versions of
Unix together into one system.  This was done to promote compatibility between
all of these platforms.  If the systems using SYS5 aren't binary compatible,
then at least they are source compatible, becuase all of the same functions
are supported on each seperate machine.  That is why I said it would be large
and would require a fast machine with a big hard-drive to run effectivly.

>Version 7 UNIX would still run comfortably in 1Mbyte or less.  Remember, 
>UNIX was based on the "small is beautiful" model.  Just because the current 
>crop of commercial operating systems are pigs doesn't mean that UNIX started 
>out that way.

Perhaps version 7 WOULD run comfortably in 1MByte or less.  However, no one
I know would buy V7.  It is somewhat old and cannot support X11, however that
is not the only reason.

>Steve Wootton


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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205736.11004@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>What do you think? Why did C= release the A600?

Low cost.  Putting the AA chipset into the 600 would increase the cost at
a time when C= are trying to decrease the cost of the low-end Amigas
to C-64 prices.

>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:39:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com (Paul Heu vd Netherlands) writes:
>
>Well I would think he is right though. Or do you really think
>IBM decided to include MS-DOS and WINDOWS compatibility
>because they thought it would be a good feature..
>
>I would think they did so because they HAVE to be compatible
>with those to even sell OS/2 .. So I would call it a
>NESSESITY, not a feature..
>

Look up the word "feature".  It means "characteristic".  It doesn't imply
anything about desirability.  For example, an crooked nose is a facial feature
that's not necessarily desirable.
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