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From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: What's happening in Victorian and Federal politics 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:30:36 GMT


In article <1992Aug27.182846.26601@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au> jak@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr J Grimm) writes:

>What is the
>current state of Victorian and Federal politics ?
[...]
>don't write anything slanderous. 

Slanderous?

I can't think of anything nasty you could say about politicians that
wouldn't be true.  :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: enquiry for job opportunities in australia.
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:30:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.162154.7737@fairfax.com> phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick) writes:
|In article <1992Aug25.021000.8402@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:

   .....
|>
|>There is no such thing as green card in Oz. There was a proposal to 
|>introduce one about five years ago, but Aussies were united against 
|>it. If you want to get permission to work in Oz, you have to apply
|>for a work visa or residency visa.
|
|I think the proposal to which you refer was for a national identity card,
|and had little or nothing to do with immigration. A U.S. "green card" (which
|incidentally is no longer green) is roughly equivalent to an Australian
|residency visa.

You are right. I really thought US green card is some kind of ID card.
Sorry about that. Thanks for your correction.


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From: webster@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:08:57 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <37270@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
> In article <9223910.16786@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri) writes:
>>dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy) writes:
>>>	
>>>	It is definitely our National Song though, and was under consideration
>>>for the National Anthem, though the eventual winner was more suitable.  
>>>(Oh come on you o/s types, you heard it seven times at the Olympics, 
>>
>>
>>Could someone post its (Advance Australia fair) lyrics too?
> 
> 
> Ok, at the risk of further embarrasment, I will now attempt to post
> the lyrics (of the first verse) of Advance Australia Fair. Again,
> corrections, however pedantic, are welcome.
> 
> 
> Australians all let us rejoice
> For we are young and free
> With golden soil and wealth for toil
> Our home is girt by sea
> Our land abounds in nature's gifts
> Of beauty rich and rare
> In history's page let every stage
> Advance Australia Fair
> In joyful strains then let us sing
> Advance Australia Fair
> 
> 
Oh so close!  The only thing missing is the word 'So' just before 'In joyful
strains'

Mark Webster
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:18:44 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

>>     "Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda,
>>     Who'll come a' waltzing Matilda with me?"
>>     And he sang as he sat and waited till his billy boiled,
>>     "Who'll come a waltzing Matilda with me."

Did you see the cartoon (Snake Tales ?) where they referred to the little boy 
in the song ?

"Andy sat, Andy sang as he..."

Sorry !

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: lawriew@runx.oz.au (Lawrie Waller)
Subject: Re: Turkish/Greek/Macedonian thread
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 01:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.003552.26181@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au> esc149u@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Dr SJD Cox) writes:
>
>Although I seem to recall that this thread had some connection with 
>an Australian publication at a much earlier stage, it now seems 
>to have moved a long way away.  From the cross-posting details it 
>also looks like some of the material is spilling over from other 
>more appropriate newsgroups.  For the sake of those who want to 
>get back to s.c.a could the thread now resume its natural place, 
>where those who are interested can follow it.  The rest of us 
>have probably had enough by now.  
>
>Thanks

Oh dear oh dear,the gall of some people-fancy wanting s.c.a to address
AUSTRALIAN issues?

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From: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au (David Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Chinese Government (was Re: Immigration)
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:16:13 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)


In "soc.culture.australian", kong@neumann quotes:-
>>> China, my friend!
>>> You can see how week the Australia government is! They can do nothing
>>> about the economy crisis. Chinese are much more wiser, once the Chinese
>>> government know what are the right thing to do (mean which is good for
>>> their country), they can do it well.
>>                                  ^^^^
>>> Any comment welcome.
[comments from kong missing]

Shouldn't this posting be in aus.jokes?

IMO, the Chinese people have an incredible strength to persevere no
matter what the odds or the suffering.  The Chinese government, though?
You must be joking.  The only reason they are still in power is
through murdering their own people.  In one sense, I suppose this
really did fix the problem well.  I don't know how wise it is,
however.

Just because something survives doesn't mean it is any good.  When
you have a country as large as China it's easy to bury problems by throwing
more people or money at them.  It's also easy to hide problems, given
the lack of basic freedoms.  The original poster of this message
apparently has learnt nothing from the changes to the Soviet Union.

Best regards
-- 
David M Miller                   "Just because they're yelling at you
PO Box 695                       doesn't mean you are wrong".
Hornsby NSW 2077, Australia      --  Ritchie Garcia, baseball umpire
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Sydney Harbour Tunnel
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:51:06 GMT


In article <37191@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.044557.4788@ucc.su.OZ.AU> hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden) writes:
>>The Sydney Harbour Tunnel opens on August 31st. Here are some "interesting
>>facts", taken from a brochure -
>>
>>	- you can listen to local AM or FM radio stations as well as emergency
>>	  messages via the Tunnel's radio re-broadcast system
>>	- car phones can be used
>>	- Length is 2.3 km
>>	- capacity is 1,700 vehicles per lane per hour
>>	- cost: $560 million
>
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^    That seems like an awfully expensive
>toll fee to me.

Well, the value of the Australian dollar has dropped some recently.  :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sgccpgs@citec.oz.au (Paul Salanitri)
Subject: Network Election
Organization: CITEC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:39:21 GMT

I was just thinking then, is it legally, sensible, allowable etc.
to hold a statistical poll on the election through email:

For example, like a call for votes on a news group,  where voting 
starts and finishes at certain cutoff times.  

It could even go like this:
EMAIL message:  A friend of mine said he would vote ______ in the next fed.el.
But only one vote per person, this would make it sought of annon.
Would anyone participate in this if they could????
I know it's not quite a Morgan Gallop Poll but I would be interested
first hand to see the results!!!!
Any comments????
P.S. I would be willing to handle the voting/polling recording.


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From: brad@winnie.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Brad Alexander )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.150356.16145@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>,(Mr J Grimm) writes:
|> I was very pleased to read Oznews. Could you please include a couple of
|> articles from 'The Age' in Victoria in the next Oznews. Items that cover
|> the current political wrangling would be ideal.
[rest deleted]

Thanks, 
       they don't stock 'The Age' at the corner deli. I'll most likely post more 
articles on the Victorian (and Queensland) elections as they get nearer
and make their way closer to the front page of the "Australian". I don't
think anything sensible has been said yet.. the election is still a month 
away.
----------
Brad Alexander.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: Aussie Workaholics
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 00:52:56 GMT

In article <Bu0C0n.K9B@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan) writes:
>An interseting article appeared in the Ottawa Citizen last week:
>
>"WORKAHOLIC DUNDEE: Sometimes the Japanese display a nasty arrogance about 
>their work ethic.  You just long to burst their bubble.  Well, now someone has
>- and you'll never guess who.  A survey by the FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW 
>shows that the Aussies, between drinking and wrestling crocodiles (!!), put in
>longer working hours on average than the Japanese. Take that, you bludgers! 
>On the other hand, Japan is running surpluses while the Australian economy 
>declines."
>
>Makes you wonder what Aussies actually do while they are on the job!
>
Probably they are worrying about how much harder they have
to work to overcome the effects on their economy of sneaky American
trade practices.

>


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From: dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:35:09 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug25.170447.16513@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug25.002148.22780@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au> smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Scott Smith) writes:
>
>>There are essentially two melodies for the song, the original written
>>in C maj, and the more contemporary written in F major.
>
>Ta mate!  I thought I was going mad!  I knew that I had heard it sung to two
>completely different tunes, but couldn't get anyone to confirm it.
>
stuff deleted for space considerations
>     "Waltzing Matilda, Matilda my darling,
>     Who'll come a' waltzing Matilda with me?
>     Waltzing Matilda, leading a water bag,
>     Who'll come a' waltzing Matilda with me?"

more stuff cut for the same reason.
>Where did the more contemporary version come from?
	
	I'm not sure if the second tune is more contemporary or not. The less
familiar tune is known as the "Queensland version" and is far more Irish folk
in character and modality (I won't go on as any further discussion along that 
line probably belongs in one of the music groups). The familiar tune is known
as the "Victorian version", although I believe there was a bit of controversy
a few years ago when it was revealed the Aleen's sold the performing rights to
a publishing company in the US. Hopefully, thry've bought them back.
	The Queensland version is beloved by bush bands because it is dancable
and can be delivered very effectively in a growling Irish accent (I speak here
from personal experience as I've had to growl it out more than once while 
playing my lagerphone).

Cheers all,


-- 
Houston Dunleavy, single Aussie composer-in-exile. Peace, light and love to you
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Dr. Martin Luther King.
	"It is better to write for yourself and not have a public, 
than to write for the public and not have a self" Cyril Connelly.
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:32:02 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia


I always wondered about the line

"Where's that jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?"

- I mean, doesn't he *know* where it is??  What's the swaggie
to reply? - "Ummm ... in me tuckerbag, mate!"
:)

Yeah, yeah, poetic licence....

Denis Wright
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jak@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr J Grimm)
Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:03:56 GMT

I was very pleased to read Oznews. Could you please include a couple of
articles from 'The Age' in Victoria in the next Oznews. Items that cover
the current political wrangling would be ideal.

Thanks, Jak.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: National Anthem lyrics
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:06:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.073215.15590@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>: 
>: Australians all let us rejoice, for we are young and free;
>              ^^^
>When we first had to sing this in school in the early 70's, it started
>'Australia's Sons...'.
>Not quite sure when it was surreptitiously replaced, but I guess it goes
>along ok.
>

  Here, the words to "O Canada" were changed from "true patriot love in all
  thy _sons_ command"... to "in all of us"... 

  I wonder if AA was changed during the Gough Whitlam years? That would make 
  it before '75... I believe it was his counterpart (in many ways) P.E.
  Trudeau that the Canadian lyrics were being fought over...

  Anyway:  there is a recording called "The Australian National Anthem"
  which has the words to Waltzing Matilda [sic], Advance Australia Fair,
  and some other tunes. It was issued by ABC records. I found it in
  the UNILINC library catalogue, so if you really want it, check 
  through AARNET for a library near you! :-)


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From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: Sydney Harbour Tunnel
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:35:46 GMT

In article <1017@vk2bea.UUCP>, michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann) writes:
=)In article <miw.714896444@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:
=) >michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann) writes:
=) >> >the oxygen-poor environment. In addition, cracks can be repaired if they
=) >> >get too big. 
=) >>There are a few people in Chicago who might not agree with you!  I think
=) >>it would be better to repair the cracks BEFORE they get too big!
=) >The chicago tunnel didn't flood because of corrosion. Didn't somebody
=) >drive a pylon into a tunnel?
=)Yes, a crack appeared after some pylons were sunk into the chicago river.
=)The cracks were discovered, but there was quibbling about who would pay
=)the < $100G to fix the problem. It went from committee to committee for
=)a while, whilst the cracks got bigger and bigger. Now its estimated
=)the bill will be in the 100s of millions!
=)
The story is still ongoing, but it's a byzantine tale of incompetence and
neglect.  It turns out that the contractor was given specifications which
carefully stated that the new pilings had to be placed exactly where the
old ones were, or the tunnel system would be damaged.  The contractor,
however, had a hard time removing the decayed originals, so they sunk the
new ones about three feet away.  The city inspector who was supposed to
verify the work filed a report stating that it was done completely to
spec, including drawings.  It turns out he never even saw the new pilings.
When confronted with this discovery, he explained that he didn't do the
inspection because he couldn't find a parking place.

The leak was first discovered by a cable TV company, laying cable in the
tunnels.  They reported it to the city several times, including status
reports on the progressing damage from erosion, but were ignored by the
city for several months.  The city never sent out an inspection team to
see for themselves.  Finally, they began the budget-bouncing procedure
outlined by Mr. Katzmann, above.  A meeting to resolve the issue was
scheduled--it was to have been held the day after the flood.  You've got
to think that somebody was cowering in an office somewhere, hoping nobody
remembered him saying, "I can't make it Thursday; ask Jack if we can put
the meeting off till next Tuesday..."

This shouldn't be a problem for other tunnels, though...no other
government in the world could be so riddled with incompetents!  :-)
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From: moorerr@msu.edu (richard r. moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:21:28 GMT
Organization: Computer laboratory, michigan state university

In article <1992Sep1.132423.23200@inmos.co.uk> jeremy@lion.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Thorp) writes:
>From: jeremy@lion.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Thorp)
>Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
>Date: 1 Sep 92 13:24:23 GMT

            { deleted .... }

>The road north from Cairns is sealed as far as the Daintree River (north of Port Douglas).
>Beyond the river the road is unsealed. At a point just north of Cape Tribulation the
>"Controversial Daintree Track", as it was dubbed by the coach company, starts, and goes 
>up to Cooktown.

             { deleted .........}

>The track goes up and down like a yoyo, and is (or should be) for 4-wheel drives only
>apparently. Normal vehicles, apparently find it hard work (impossible?) if it rains a little.

             { deleted .....} 

>We visited the rainforest information centre and were told some of the grim statistics.
>Apparently a very large number of the plants/trees are dependent on a single bird, the
>Casuary (sp?). The birds population has been depleted alarmingly recently, and the main
>cause of this loss was, apparently, the birds being killed on be vehicles on the roads.

>Upgrading the track to a full tourist road sounds like a bad move. And, of course, that
>statement comes from a recent tourist to the area, and one who would love to come back and
>see the rainforest again (if it has not been destroyed :-()

>-- 
>Jeremy Thorp, INMOS Ltd,        |       jeremy@inmos.com
>1000 Aztec West, Almondsbury,   |       jeremy@inmos.co.uk
>Bristol, BS12 4SQ, UK.          |	
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I drove as far as the ferry crossing last year.  On one hand i'd agree that 
sealing the road all the way to cooktown would be a bad move, on the other, 
unless you rent a 4WD car, you can't drive to cooktown - and 4WD rentals are 
_VERY_ expensive.  A nice compromise would be to make it passable for 2WD 
cars (at least in the dry season) & make the car rental agencies remove 
their restrictions on driving only on sealed roads!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam)
Subject: Re: Chinese Government (was Re: Immigration)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:55:44 GMT

spoon@zac.riv.csu.edu.au (simpson poon) writes:
>I think one have to look at things from all aspects. Surely many SE Asia
>countries have been booming since the 80's. There is a price for this.
>China has got lots of people still suffering from serious poverty. I am
>told by a friend who do business with China and go there often that there
>are still poor people coming from north western China to Kwangzhou to look
>for jobs. Also, one can forget about complaining work environment and pay
>because it doesn't matter how low the wage and how harsh the work
>environment is, someone will take the job if  you don't. Therefore, China's
>success is not without a price!

What are you trying to say?  That the Chinese would have been richer
if they didn't boom?  All you're pointing out is that they aren't
getting rich quickly enough.  I don't see how that can be said to be
a "price" for getting rich!

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