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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Steven Curtis Chapman's Great Adventure Tour
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:38:37 GMT
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Mary Ries (mcr@meaddata.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct13.145349.12419@viewlogic.com>, tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
: |> 
: |> Out of the Grey - A very short set of only 4 songs, 3 off of their
: |> first album (Wishes, Write My Life, and He Is Not Silent), and one
: |> off their new album (yay!) which is due out after Christmas.  They
: |> did all their songs with only Scott Dente on the guitar.  He is an
: |> excellent player, but it just isn't as effective as with a band.
: |> Her voice is excellent, but it suffered from the mic problems.  The
: |> best song (IMHO) was He Is Not Silent, which has a really powerful
: |> message.  It is really unfortunate that they did not get to play
: |> with a full band.
: 
: Awww, really??  My husband and I LOVED hearing them without the band!
: We thought it was the most awesome and powerful performance we've ever
: seen out of two people with one instrument!! (no tapes or background)
: 
: We saw them with SCC on last year's tour, and we never heard Out of
: the Grey except for "Wishes" on the radio.  We loved them right away
: and Matt was actually disappointed when we bought the tape and they
: had a band playing with them!  I'm serious!  The way that Scott banged
: (I mean BANGED!) on his guitar while strumming to provide the strong
: beat was just riveting!!
: 
: I'm glad they are playing that way again because its was unusual,
: especially to have such a powerful performance from a single
: guitarist...  that Scott must have some kind of energy!

I'll have to agree - I saw them open for Charlie Peacock and now am
dissapointed when I listen to the album.  The guitar stuff he does
live is a lot more impressive than what's on the album (but then
I'm an easily impressed guitar player).  If you're interested, they
did a couple of songs on Charlie Peacock's "Coram Deo" project that
are a little more like what they do in concert (although not nearly
as intense).

: 
: I can't wait to see them again!

Me too - and I hope the new album is more like their live performances.

: 
: _______________________________________________________________________
: Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
: mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
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Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wg3922@ehsn12.cen.uiuc.edu (William P Glick)
Subject: Stage Lighting for Praise and Worship ?
Summary: Lighting Suggestions for Praise/Worship Service?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:30:40 GMT

I am involved with a contemporary campus ministry which has an informal
Saturday evening church service in one of our college lecture halls.
We try to use upbeat worship and praise songs that are somewhat similar
in musical style to what most college students listen to.  Anyway, we
have been discussing using a lighting system to enhance our worship
service.

I am familiar with lighting stages for performances; but, I do not think
that lighting up our band is going to enhance our worship.  Instead, it
would more likely focus our attention on the band members / worship leaders
rather than upon God.  I do however know as a matter of fact that lighting
greatly influences a persons mood and emotions; and, therefore, I believe
that special lighting most definitely could enhance worship.  I just am 
not sure how this could be done.

If anyone has been involved in a similar situation, I would love to hear
how your lighting is handled.  We are tentatively going to spend almost
$1000 on a lighting system, if we can see this as an asset.

One idea that I have is maybe using reflective lighting to illuminate the
actual lecture hall rather than just the stage.  This way a mood could be
conveyed to the worshipers rather than them focusing upon the band, etc.

I would appreciate any suggestions or comments that you might have.

- THANKS -
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From: pab@doc.ic.ac.uk (Paul Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mark Heard (reliable info, please)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:50:37 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
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I apologise if this has hit the net before; I scanned back and couldn't see
anything, although I've been offline for quite a while now.

I was at Greenbelt when I heard news of Mark Heard's death.  I only got to
hear very sketchy details.  Could someone please tell me what happened?  I
never got to see Mark live, but a fan I remain.

Paul Bennett.

-- 
Paul Bennett    						 _  onewhe
  pab@doc.ic.ac.uk      					 |  elgood
								/|\ twowhe
180 Queensgate, London SW7      				\_/ elsbad
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185303.1316@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:

(most of Tim's comments about Amy Grant's new Christmas album deleted)

>Don't get me wrong, "Home for
>Christmas" is a nice piece of work, but it's nothing we haven't heard
>Ray Connif, Andy Williams, and many others do before. I recommend
>giving it a listen before you plunk down your $13.

An honest question:  why do people buy Christmas albums?  My experience
has been that 90% of Christmas albums offer the same warmed-over carols 
with the same standard string arrangements sung by the same red-cheeked,
holiday-loving, smiling singers.  I don't mean to play the Grinch here,
but does anyone honestly see a significant difference in the Christmas
albums of say, Amy Grant in the '90s, Olivia Newton-John in the '70s,
and Julie Andrews in the '60s?  

No, that's not meant as a critism of Amy (or Olivia or Julie, for that
matter.  Well . . . okay, maybe Olivia).  It's just that when you've
heard one "Winter Wonderland" you've heard them all.  And there just
aren't that many good original Christmas songs being written to 
warrant the glut of Christmas albums that flood the market every year.
But year after year people continue to buy the same songs with the same 
arrangements sung by interchangeable vocalists.  I don't get it. 

Okay, I have some Christmas favorites too - "God Rest Ye Merry Jazzmen,"
a great instrumental album featuring Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Duke
Ellington and others, "A Ramone's Christmas," in which Joey, DeeDee,
and Marky manage to make "O Come All Ye Faithful" and "Frosty the
Snowman" sound almost exactly the same, and John Cale's "Paris, 1919,"
a musical setting of Dylan Thomas' poem "A Child's Christmas in Wales."
I like these albums because they sound like no other Christmas albums
that have ever been made, at least to my knowledge.  

But here's a money-saving idea for all the Amy/Garth fans tempted to
spend the $13.  Firestone Tires used to put out a Christmas album
every year.  You got all the stars - Julie Andrews, Burl Ives, Tony
Bennett, Ray Conniff, Bing Crosby, Leontyne Price, Mel Torme, Andy  
Williams, Tom Jones - all for an amazing $2.00 per album.  Check the used 
record stores.  You'll find the same music that Amy and Garth make, 
but you'll find it for a lot cheaper.  

>-- Tim

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com

"So how can you laugh when your own mother's hungry?
 And how can you smile when the reasons for smiling are wrong?
 And if I've just messed up your thoughtless pleasures
 Remember, if you wish, that this is just a Christmas song."
   -- Jethro Tull, "Christmas Song"
From: gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Inside Halo (was RE: request for info....)
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:35:12 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct9.215359.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> I can't believe it worked!
> 
> TO whoever reads this,
> 
> There is currently a new band named Halo.  Their debut was excellent
> and they have  a new CD out.
New?!?  Their albums have been out for quit awhile now.  Their most current is
the better of the two IMHO.  Scott Springer's (bass/lead vocals) most succesful
work appears on the Rock Power Praise I album.  The song "We Need Jesus" has
become a anthem for Pakaderm, and the theme of the _portrait_of_the_spirit_
project (the lighter side of pakaderm's label).  Check it out, if you can.

                                Neal Gray(gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu)
From: mdw@trumpet.att.com (Mark Wuest)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:46:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T
Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com

In article <1992Oct9.154838.4511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.122813.11553@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:

>>For those who don't know, the moderator of soc.religion.christian does things
>>like embed his own unasked for commentry in other people's postings, as well
>>as censor postings. 

>  Ain't that the truth! I've submitted two posts there -- both of which
>  I thought were legitimate -- and both were rejected. The embedded
>  comments are also a nuisance.

I differ with both of you.  Man!  The guy gives up considerable time
trying to moderate a group that (left to its own devices) swings wildly
from extreme to extreme and instead of appreciation, gets chided
publicly.  If he doesn't read this newsgroup, would you call it
gossip?

FWIW, I've posted to that group and had the post "rejected", too.  But,
I agree with his reasons for the most part and greatly appreciate him
giving time to do something *I* don't have time (or desire) to do.

-- 
Mark Wuest                            *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!!
mark.wuest@att.com
mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:04:43 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
 <1992Oct12.185303.1316@wdl.loral.com>
 <1992Oct12.201927.24353@cbnews.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Oct12.201927.24353@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com
(andrew.j.whitman) says:
>An honest question:  why do people buy Christmas albums?  My experience
>has been that 90% of Christmas albums offer the same warmed-over carols
>with the same standard string arrangements sung by the same red-cheeked,
>holiday-loving, smiling singers.  I don't mean to play the Grinch here,

   It is true that they are warmed over to some extent, and you can chalk that
up to the lack of spirit on the artists' behalf as far as Christmas is concern-
ed in their hearts. I have to honestly say my favorite Christmas albums are the
ones I grew up listening to: mainly Johnny Mathis' various albums when things
were dealt with a little more reverantly. Now don't say "Get with the times"
...'cus I listen to King's X, the Galactic Cowboys, Rush, Yes, Dan Fogelberg
and lots of other stuff, but I like my Christmas music traditional because
basically nothing has come out that has really convinced me it's Christmas
music.

>I like these albums because they sound like no other Christmas albums
>that have ever been made, at least to my knowledge.

   I know exactly what you mean. I purchased Manheim Steamroller's A Fresh Aire
 Christmas two years ago and couldn't believe what a "fresh" new sound but yet
still tracable to tradition that it brought to the Christmas music market. I
have not yet bought the other one that is out, but I am tempted to do so right
now just to see if it is as good as the other.
   From what I heard last year a lot of people said Michael Card's newest
Christmas album was really good. I unfortunately haven't had the chance to
hear it yet. :)

                                     -Ed

=========================================================================
             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
"Between the worlds of men and make-believe I can be found."-D. Fogelberg
=========================================================================
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: More "Election Year"
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:24:17 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Oct13.191559.10901@nosc.mil>, clarkk@nosc.mil (Kevin D. Clark) writes:
>  I was returning home on a plane Monday and noticed that close to two-thirds of
>  the people on the plane were either reading about or talking about the debate
>  Sunday evening.  Listening to them bemoan the political scene and discuss
>  which candidate was the lesser of the evils reminded me of a Steve Camp song
>  from one of his albums several years ago.  The album was called "Justice", but
>  the name of the song escapes me.  Part of the song goes like this (...this is
>  from memory, so please excuse any misquotes...):
> 
>        "Politicians all make speeches and the newsmen all take notes.
>          I wonder who would lead us if none of us would vote?...."
> 
>  Just a seasonal thought (...bet it wouldn't be Bill, George, Ross or Andre.)

That line is from "The Great American Novel," originally written and recorded
by Larry Norman.

Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 21:42:12 -0400 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kelly Huff and Kim Boyce
Distribution: usa

I've not heard Kellye Huff's latest, after buying her first I refused to be
snakebit again.  Kim Boyce's latest album is certainly the best of the 
five she has put out so far.   As I recall I rated it 3.5 on a scale of 
-5 to 5 thistles.  

Kim Boyce's music is danceable by those who can dance, and maybe the best way
to describe it is dance pop/rock.  It's very upbeat and quite hard-edged,
but mostly happy music.  Harder-edged than Gibson and faster and higher than 
Grant, but more mature than teeny-bopper Lisa Bevill.  Lots of songs about
love and friends.

Steve Timm

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: manitp@sage4c.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: New bandmember seeks more advice
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:10:29 GMT

HEY!

Thanks to all the folks who responded promptly and informatively to
previous post.   I did get some extraneous stuff that i really didn't
need to hear, mostly because i wasn;t quite clear on some things.  But
that's OK.

What I REALLY need to know right now is.......  How do I get decent vocal
equipment on an *extremely* limited budget.  Basically- any specific
recommendations on resonably priced mikes/amps that are reasonably
reliable.  I WISH I had some money to put into effects processors right
now, but that will have to wait til next summer at the earliest.

Also- let me hash out my goals for the sake of you folks who won't have
to make suggestions once you know what we have in mind.  I DO feel called
to professional music.  BUT as i said before- I think I'd like to be
involved in the production end rather than the performance end.  On the
other hand i would LOVE to play in a band as well,  but as a hobby not
a profession. I also feel that knowledge of each area can compliment
the other in a critical way.  (IE:  How many producers do you know who
aren't also musicians??????)  Well...  I've been trying to form a band
for several years. While I always knew enough people to do this, the
personalities or something else didn't seem to fit.  NOw In the past
month I've met three guys who seem to fit real well.  We don't know
each other well yet, we have an odd sort of comaraderie that makes me
feel that we will probably work REALLY well together.  I am personally
committed to making sure we get to know each other individually and
collectively very soon.  I am also committed to making sure we are all on
good footing with God and that we seek him together.  If we can't pray
together than i will move on. 

Now, I've loosely discussed with each of them my personal goals, which
are to have fun and improve my musicianship and be open to what God wants
mw to do.  The other guys (who DEFINITELY have different goals) seem very
compatible with this.  

Also- We won't be performing for awhile, but somebody PLEASE give me some
ACCURATE information on copyright laws, or tell me how to get that
information. (I know there was a big thing about CCLI a couple weeks ago,
but I am not a church, and we WON'T be playing P+W stuff mostly.) 

THANKS again for all the encouraging responses.

-- 
Philip J. "Ralph" Manitta Jr. (RLF)     _|_       " For me to live is
88 14th st.                              |        Christ, to die is
Troy NY, 12180                           |        gain!"   (manitp@rpi.edu) 
" Don't even think of copying this! The band NEEDS money! " -Fluffy
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: >>>>>> 77's <<<<<< and "Pray Naked"
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:28:24 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

It's really a shame that the distributor feels uncomfortable about the
title "Pray Naked".  The more I think about that phrase, the more I like
it.  I guess partly because of the double meaning:  the first time you
hear it it shocks, then you really *think* about what it really *means*
and it is, in my mind, very very powerful.

Webster's defines "naked" as:

1: not covered by clothing: NUDE
2: devoid of customary or natural covering: BARE: as
2a: not enclosed in a sheath or scabbard
2b: not provided with a shade
2c of a plant or one of its parts: lacking pubescence or enveloping
     or subtending parts
2d: lacking foliage or vegetation
2e of an animal or one of its parts: lacking an external covering
     (as of hair, feathers, or shell)
3a: scantily supplied or furnished
3b: lacking embellishment: UNADORNED
4: UNARMED,   DEFENSELESS
5   :lacking confirmation or support
6: devoid of concealment or disguise
7: unaided by any optical device or instrument <visible to the naked eye>

Consider definitions 2a, 2b, 3b, 6, and ESPECIALLY 5 and the meanings they
lend to the phrase "pray naked".

Awesome!  Powerful!

I'd love to hear the song.

		William LeFebvre
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Prayer Request from SFC Latrobe Uni, Victoria, Australia
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:40:16 GMT
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ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> Just some random thoughts here:
>
> [MUCH great stuff munched]
> 
> Homophobia is real, and incidents of physical and verbal abuse 
> against homosexuals are increasing.  Unfortunately, many of those 
> who engage in this abuse profess to be Christians and justify their 
> hateful behavior on interpretations (wrong ones, I believe) of 
> Scripture. 

the turning point for me came when i heard someone from my campus
group saying something to the effect that "all gays should be shot".
at the time i had just made my first homosexual friend, and couldn't 
help but wonder what his image of Christianity & God would be if he 
had been sitting where i was.

people are people. we all sin, but God loves us anyway. anything
that separates people from His love is -wrong-. we don't have
to condone sin, but at the same time, people are not going to
be able to beat it without coming to God first.

> But the Bible clearly portrays homosexual behavior as sin.  Now,
> here's the tricky part.  It's not a sin to be a homosexual; it's
> a sin to engage in homosexual intercourse.  People don't choose
> to be homosexuals.  They're born that way.  

the jury's still out on this. in fact, there are even a few gaylesbis
who dispute it. either way, it doesn't matter, as the rest of your 
article points out.

> _Christianity_Today_, that noted bastion of liberal humanism and 
> cultural hedonism... 

i -know- you meant this as a joke. there are people who believe
exactly that tho'. i have the good fortune to be related to one...

> [munch rest of article which everyone should really read again]

jason

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From: rksuto@oregon.uoregon.edu (Robert Suto)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Election Year
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:31:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Oct12.163130.20409
Organization: Dep. of Chemistry

With the debates last night, and the constant focus on the political events, I would just like to share a song that has helped me deal with everything with a smile on my face.

ELECTION YEAR by CRASHDOG 

(off of their 1992 release 'Pursuit of Happiness')

It's election year
And the circus is in town
It's time to pick a winner from
The line of clowns
They tell stories
They do tricks
You thought it was a joke
But it's politics
Republican or Democrat
You're the same to me
Back stabbing, blame shifting
Political parties
Did you buy your stance
At a speech writer's store?
'Cause it's a fresh suit and smile
But I've heard it all before
Who will be our leader
In the four years to come?
And who will follow after when
His damage is done?
Who will do their duty?
Who will do their job?
Who will let us know 
When we've all been robbed?
Corruption is the way
They get things done
Don't you know it's how
The West was won
If there is a good man
Who won't be bought
I bet my bottom dollar
That he'll end up shot
They passify the masses
With believable lies
When's the middle class 
Gonna realize
That we pay our taxes
So candidates can dine
They do lunch
While we stand in line
So make your promises
And say your speeches
Time will tell
And history teaches
The moment's coming up
The time is drawing near
I guess we'll know the truth
After election year

8 >

Robert Suto        "If you are going to cross over, bring the Cross over!"
U of O
rksuto.uoregon.edu
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