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From: 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366)
Subject: Re: TWA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193359.12845@watson.ibm.com>, rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes...
?In <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu writes:
?> A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition
?> is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I
?> will be using my father's ff miles. Also, for a trip from Philadelphia
?> to Paris thru New York on the NY-Paris stretch what plane will
?> most likely be used.
? 
?TWA flies a 747 on the NY-Paris run.  The seating is 3-4-3 in coach.  It's
?probably too late to change, but could you have used the miles for a ticket
?on a different international airline instead?
? 
?Meanwhile, I am flying TWA JFK-ATL next month as well, so I hope they stick
?around, too.
? 
?-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com

Thanks for info. I checked with TWA like someone suggested. I am flying
a 767 from PHL to JFK or Philadelphia to New York. And from New York (JFK)
to Paris (???) a 747. LV. 7:15 P.M.  ARR. 8:05 A.M.

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From: ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:36:41 GMT
Organization: Wild Bill & BabyCat's House of Many Pleasures


 henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix) wrote: 
>->   What's the matter with you people???  Don't you know what those 
>->   overhead bins are for?  Children are considered "Carry-On" Luggage.
>->   Therefore, they belong in the overhead bin with it latched 
>->   properly.  This is just MNSHO(my not so humble opin.)
>
>i guess this means that families with more than two children must
>check (N-2) children in the cargo hold?


    Well, technically, the couple would be allowed four children.
    The rule for carry-on's is still two per person, isn't it?



    Ellon


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touch. It's like a new love, a new love........  WCS & ESS 4/18/92
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <barrett.712247284@cc.gatech.edu> barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:
>I'm travelling from Atlanta->Phoenix over Labor Day.  My arrival time
>can be flexible.  My question is, I don't mind being bumped so that
>I can get a free ticket for later, so how do I go about increasing
>my odds of being able to volunteer?

Book  on a  flight  that is  already very full.    Of course you  will
probably  find  all the cheap seats  gone already.   A travel agent or
airline reservation agent should be able to tell you which flights are
close to being full.

When  you get to  the airport,  get there   *early*.  When they  start
checking people in for the flight  (at  the gate) be  the first one in
line and ask them  how  full the flight is.   If  they tell you  it is
going to be pretty  full, ask  them  to stick  you on  the 'volunteer'
list.  They'll sometimes say that they have not started a list yet. If
they do ask them to start one  with *you* at  the top.  More than once
I've had them  ask  me "How  did you know  we were going to be needing
volunteers?"  

Now that you're at the top of the list, if they are short of  just one
seat you get whatever it is they are offering.  Be aware, though, that
lately airlines  are  giving  vouchers  good for  a  certain number of
dollars off of a future ticket, *not* a free ticket.

		Good luck,
				reb
From: ans00@ccc.amdahl.com (Amer N Syed)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Info on airlines.
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: ans00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Amer N. Syed)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I've noticed the names of these airlines at the int'l terminals at
San Francisco and Oakland airports, but I have no idea which countries
these airlines belong to and what routes they fly out of SFO and in O
general. Any info would be appreciated.

These airlines are:

LTU, UTA, Condor, Martin Air and TACA.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Seasonal AmEx Coupons on USAir?
From: croson@husc15.harvard.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:25:31 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I read with great interest in the FAQ that the AmEx Continental ticket
vouchers were accepted on USAir as well.  When I went to the travel
agent (actually an American Express Travel office) they said that this
*was* true, but no longer is.  It seems that USAir accepted the 
$129/$189 versions at face value, but they DO NOT accept the newer coupons
which have seasonal restrictions.
 
I insisted that the travel agent call USAir and get it straight from the
horse's mouth, but apparently it was true.  Now I have to change planes
in Newark instead of getting a nice direct flight from USAir. :<
 
Anyone else had a similar experience with the new tickets?
Is there a way to use these new tickets on USAir?
 
I will post a summary of any E-mail replies.

Dave
From: gantony@metz.une.edu.au (George Antony)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:43:38 GMT
Reply-To: gantony@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: gantony@metz.une.edu.au

From article <17145@autodesk.COM>, by booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards):
> 
> They give out decks of cards on some flights.
> I don't see why they cannot give out crayolas and paper to kids.

I have noticed the latter done on KLM and Qantas flights, judged by the 
gratefully surprised expression of the parents, without request.  But then
domestic US and international air travel seem to be two distinct things.
 
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University of New England, Armidale, N.S.W. 2351, Australia
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From: hahn@gigantor.nas.nasa.gov (Jonathan Hahn)
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Organization: Unetix Inc. @ NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: hahn@gigantor.nas.nasa.gov (Jonathan Hahn)

In article <1992Jul20.142105.18663@athena.mit.edu> cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:
>
>Heard a posting about the above a few days ago. Am pretty interested in getting
>the card as it is suppose to combine the advantages of Citibank as well as earn
>FF miles on AA. The only catch is the $50 annual fee but a free companion ticket
>goes with application before August something.
>
>What are your experiences with the card and you think the $50 is worth it ?
>
>cheeky@athena.mit.edu

You can certainly get the AA/Citibank Visa card for $50/year, but I do
not believe you can get the compainion ticket unless you are solicited
with an offer for it.  If you think about it, that companion ticket is
worth much more than $50 (provided you can use it).

If anyone know how to get the companion ticket on demand (with a Visa
of course), please let me know!

-jonathan hahn
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.182226.12722@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) wrote: 
>->henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>->>kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) wrote: 
>->>->2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
>->Sure, there're classes in Aeroflot, and they allways existed. They are 3:
>->1st, business and economy. Sure again, seats are assigned, though they may
>->have some bumping mess.
>
>the gentleman from switzerland just said there was only one class on
>the aeroflot flights he took.  are you calling him a liar?
>
># henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>

Now let you look what the swiss guy has posted:
>From: kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:18:22 GMT
I travelled recently Zurich -> Moscow -> Novosibirsk -> Moscow -> Zurich
on Aeroflot, and had no problems. The differences between the Aeroflot
international flights and flights on carriers such as Swissair, Lufthansa,
and American were:

...
2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
There was only one "class" on all the flights (relic of the communist era?). 
All the seats were arranged similar to "economy" seats on other airlines.
Some comments on the domestic Aeroflot flights:
...

In other words, he did meant that _international_ flights of Aerflot lack
classes. It might be right for domestic flights, I dunno.
As to flights abroad... the above posting claimed an abvious bogus.
Sorry.
Would appreciate if you flame me for saying this ;-)

	D
From: ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Ambroziak)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Tix Transfer Help!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:27:10 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know of specific situations where someone has had trouble
using a ticket with someone else's name on it?  I am looking into buying
a pair of Northwest tickets from someone and am worried that they'll ask
for I.D. when I try to board.  I flew last spring on American and had to
show I.D. on both ends.  Is this a random thing or do some airlines
check routinely or more often than others.

Please let me know as soon as possible.

Thanks, John
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: Looking for an AT&T customer who wants to pickup some AIR MILES
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.030945.731@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>If I recall, AIR MILES is supposed to give you  a trip of however many
>miles you have in your account. (This is supposed to be "simpler" than
>the usual 20k miles / 1trip anywhere) I wonder, if I have 25 miles can
>I fly SFO->OAK? ;-)
>				reb

Not so easy.  Yes, SFO-OAK is 11 miles one-way, so 25 miles would be enough
for a roundtrip with 3 miles to spare.  But no cigar here.  With AIR MILES you
have to redeem a minimum of 500 miles for a roundtrip.

Paulo Santos .............................................. pas@cc.gatech.edu
From: tubis@cs.purdue.EDU (Charlotte I. Tubis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: travel agencies
Keywords: travel agencies
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:50:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

I am looking for a travel agency that may have discount tickets and/or
have access to tickets that might be sold out to other agencies.
I prefer an 800 number also. Also one that you believe give you
very good service.

Thanks for the help.

Charlotte
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Keywords: USAir, British Airways
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:14:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213531.26670@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.193416.27423@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>>
>>what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
>>about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
>>since apparently the 2 airlines are going to share a common name.
>>hopefully, the accumulated mileage will still be respected.
>
Well, at this point, the two airlines have not said anything about how their
mileage programs would be affected, but it looks almost certain that BA will
drop American as their FF partner.  While they haven't said anything yet, we
should expect to see either the two programs merge (unlikely, though), or
become partners of each other.  The best example we have is that Wing Holdings,
parent of NW Airlines, which is partly owned by KLM.
By the way, I have heard nothing of the airlines sharing names, but there are
proposals that BA would lease some of USAir's properties.

>Look, folks.  The airlines have been squirming about frequent flyer
>miles for some time now; the cost of maintaining these programs is
>something I'm sure they'd rather do without.  As carriers merge or
>go out of business, do you really think FF programs are going to
>survive?  Why does an airline need a FF program if it has only a few
>competitors?

Wrong.  Airlines, though they are decreasing in number, still rely on FF
programs to win customer loyalty.  In a business where the product is as
easily substituted as the airline business, this is a very important way
to keep a customer base.  More importantly, not only does a FF program
encourage people to fly on a particular airline, but it encourages people
to fly, especially for business travellers.  While it is true that
airlines must raise fares to accommodate for
the cost of these programs, it also must be taken into account that a big
airline's revenues are driven by business travellers, many of which don't
care how much they pay, but care more about which FF program can be used.

Also, expect a bid by USAir Group for TWA's assets, something like the PanAm
deal with Delta Air Lines, Inc., only not as hostile.  USAir allowed the
BA purchase mainly to produce capital to purchase most, if not all, of TWA.
I would expect USAir's and TWA's FF programs to merge in such a case, but
I wouldn't bet the barn on it.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: FEAR & BOEING 767
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 17:51:27 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ashok@ee.tamu.edu (Gerard J Ashok)
Subject: Air miles program
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:21:20 GMT

Hi,

	I have recently joined the Air Miles program which offers free
	Air travel for the actual miles accumulated in it. If anyone
	on the net has made use of this scheme, kindly mail me the 
	details.

--jerry--

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pearlste@eastrg2.cray.com (Kenneth Pearlstein)
Subject: Dominicana
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:26:51 CDT

I was the person that prompted Susan Gessner to make her request of

information about Dominicana.  She had commented how high the fare to

Puerto Plata on American was.  I suggested to her that she look into

Dominicana but warned her that it had a poor service record and that it

was a third world airline.  My comments to her are based on personal experience

and knowledge gathered from friends that traveled on Dominica and magazine

articles from passenger magazines.  The following points are from all these

sources.

Good points
------------
1)  All there Beoing 727's appear to be in relatively good shape
    operated by highly trained proffesionals.

2)  They have a policy of all you can drink free Dominican rum on all
    flights from the U.S.

3)  Most of the passengers are Dominican and the cultural experience of
    one's vacation begins at the departure point.

Bad points
----------
1)  I have never been on a Dominicana flight that departed less that two
    hours late (I have taken Dominicana at least six times).

2)  I have never been on a Dominicana flight where checked baggage was put
    on the aircraft.  My last flight absolutely no checked baggage arrived
    back at JFK.

3)  My first flight on Dominicana was overbooked by 1500 people.  New York
    city riot police were called in to quiet the crowd.

4)  Three of my Dominican flights departed more than 12 hours late.

5)  Dominicana is the only airline that I have seen cockroaches on.

6)  It has been documented that baggage claim tickets of other than the
    destination city have been put on baggage.

7)  It has been documented that passangers have been asked to deplane
    and women separated from their children.  This was done because of
    lack of fuel

One final comment.  Domincana is not a tourist airline. Its main purpose
appears to be to provide basic transportation for Dominicans between the U.S.
and the Dominican Republic.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:41:17 GMT

eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:

>In <l6c2ttINNgh0@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>I think it is all these "know-it-all psychologists" who claim that correcting a
>child will do permanent emotional damage to the child. Like other theories, I
>bet in fifteen years we will discover that they were wrong and we will have
>millions of adult brats walking around with even bigger problems.

There's "correcting" and there's "correcting".  The evidence is pretty
convincing that direct physical punishment tends to teach children that
a valid way of affecting the behavior of another person is to assault
that person.

Coporal punishment of children is illegal in Sweden and has been for
some time.  I wonder if more and more Swedes are brats with problems?

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:11:17 GMT
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.

Windsor> == Windsor A. Morgan <Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>> 

 Windsor> An article in The (Baltimore) Evening Sun on 7-21-92 stated
 Windsor> that British Airways would apply for routes between Baltimore
 Windsor> and London, as well as nonstop from Pittsburgh to London.
 Windsor> Right now, USAir has the only nonstop service from Baltimore
 Windsor> to London and has direct service from Pittsburgh to London.
 Windsor> Why would USAir allow British Airways to apply for those
 Windsor> routes as well?  I don't think it would be in USAir's best
 Windsor> interests to let British Airways do that.

It might well have been part of the agreement. Although getting its
grubby paws into the US domestic business alone is good for BA, USAir's
Domestic Routes really aren't that strong (apart from in the Northeast),
and BA may have wanted something to "sweeten the deal". 

As I recall, BA already has service into Pittsburgh, but it's not
non-stop. This means that they already have *some* clientele.
Personally, I'd much rather take a non-stop than a one-stop, and I'm
sure lots of BA passengers think this, too. 

--Helen

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pas@decatur.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?   AND   Little Planes
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:25:20 GMT

OK, let me combine two current topics and raise a question.

How about taking infants on "dinky little planes".  We have tickets for a trip
to Portland, ME, with our two-month old daughter, and the flights
Boston-Portland and back are on "Express" planes (Dornier 228, if memory
serves me).

On top of all the problems with taking children on airplanes, is the noise/
/turbulence/cramminess of the little plane going to make it much harder?
How can we minimize the problems?  Oh, and please, don't answer *leave the
baby home*.

Any other suggestions for travelling with infants on airplanes are welcome.
The whole discussion has been most enlightening.

Paulo Santos
pas@cc.gatech.edu
From: ajcueva@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Al Cuevas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Air Antilles
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:04:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

I just signed up for a round trip from Aruba to Bonaire on Air Antilles
in September.  Since this is the first time I will have flow on them, 
I am looking for information that you experienced carribean travelers 
might have.

In particular, what type of equipment do they use?  Is this part of
the infamous Antilles Air Boats?  Any other useful bits of info
that I should know.

Thanks,

Al Cuevas
510-823-1498
Pacific Bell
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.231719.23044@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.161743.3570@news.acns.nwu.edu> staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>>miles are 750.  USAir just gave me 10,000 miles to join their FF club,
>>(plus a couple of 1st class updgrades) so I don't have all the info 
>
>10,000??? i only got 2,000 when i joined last year.

I've been getting a lot of letters about this.  I have no idea how they found
out I was a Northwest Preferred member, or that I fly a lot.  Maybe this
was a random mailing.  I even got the Citibank/AA offer with a free companion
ticket, even though I have the card.

I do subscribe to Frequent Flyer magazine and USA Today, so maybe my name
came from them.

--Ken
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