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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Wheels on an M3
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:57:05 GMT


I'm about to buy a really nice looking M3.  The original owner has three
piece wheels from "DP Motorsport".  The "dp" trademark is on the center
hub.  Just wondering, are these good rims? They look pretty good, but I
am weary of the idea these might be cheapo rims on a nice car like the M3.
They look nice though (3 piece wheels with gold plated bolts)!  Anyone
know anything about "DP" rims?

Thanks in advance!
Gary
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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: The Immobiliser
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:00:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Jerry Bowman (bowmanj@csn.org) wrote:
: In article <BzAxK6.5o0@apollo.hp.com> daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM () writes:
: > Has anyone heard of a product called The Immobilser ?
: >It's brand new in the US, and over a million have sold
: >in Europe over the last 5 years. It's the latest in
: >security devices for your car. It consists of an 8 wire
: >system that must be installed by a licensed mechanic.
: >
: >Looking for repair shops or dealerships that would be
: >interested in selling this product. If you would like
: >more info please email me.
: >
: >Regards,
: >Dave
:   A licensed mechanic.   Licensed by who?>

Welllllllll.  I are a lisensd mekanik.  I got me lisens right hear in
ma back pokit!  It came in the mail jus like the fella on the other end
o' the telifone say it wood.  It only cost m' the $2 'n that paid fr the
diploma, too.  Jus gimme the dang thing and I'll hookit right up!
Letseeee.  Black wire goes to ground... I'll just tuck it undur the
back tire over here and it'll touch the ground...

Wes  ;-)

Heck, I've got a $3 wrecking bar that'll immobilize just about anything
that you'd give me 15 minutes to work on...

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From: murthy+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Sesh Murthy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine does not warm (heat) up.
Keywords: Engine does not heat up
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:05:16 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

(Ram V. Mohan) writes:
|> 
|> I've a 89 Mazda 323 with about 39000 miles on it. 
|> my temperature gauge was still at cold and has not reached the normal
|> operating temperature even after driving for about 10 miles.
..
|> let the engine idle for some sometime and the temperature gauge
|> reached its normal operating temperature.  

|> p.s:  This morning I notice that the right parking light was not
|> burning and it did after pushing on it a bit.  Possible 
|> loose connection?.  Thanks

Ram, your thermostat is most certainly bad.  I think it stuck open at that
time.  It is a simple job to
replace it.  Write me if you have specific questions but your
car repair manual will certainly tell you what steps to follow.

The brake light looks bad.  The filament welds itself if you shake it
around, but that does not last.  The replacement bulb is cheap and 
costs only a few dollars.  On GM cars you need a Torx screwdriver.  I
don't know what you need on your car?

Sesh Murthy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 07:47:25 GMT

acura's symbol is a stylized A that resembles a pair of calipers,
and it first appeared on the 1991 acuras.  i guess acura decided
to jump on the symbol bandwagon.

what does it represent?  calipers, of course.

-teddy
From: dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: I need a vehicle!!!
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:45:32 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I am posting this for a friend so please direct your responses directly to the
address listed in his message.

Thanks
dave
================================================
Hello fellow netters!

I have a situation that I would really appreciate some input on:

my car (a lovely '72 VW Bug) has decided to have one repair too many for
my tastes, and I am seeking a new/used auto in the immediate future (ie, next 3
days or so).  I am considering a Blazer, Bronco, or some other passenger
vehicle truck thing like that.  My concerns are:
	decent carrying capacity (like a Blazer)
	4WD (definitely optional)
	room for 4 (tho' not necessarliy a 4-door)
	recently used (not WAY old)

Any suggestions, experiences, horror stories, price range suggestions are
GREATLY appreciated!

please direct E-mail to dorsey@cards.com (or dorseyev@csgrad.cs.vt.edu)

Thank you,

-Ed Dorsey
From: dan@seismo.pnl.gov (Dan Hagedorn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford 4x4 Opinions Sought
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:50:41 GMT
Reply-To: dan@seismo.pnl.gov
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article @rpi.edu, jkurien@rdrc.rpi.edu (James Kurien) writes:
> Hi all.
>	I am looking for a truck, and was wondering 
>	if anyone out there has any opinions on Ford four wheel 
>	drive vehicles, preferably in the 1985-1990 range,
>	especially the Bronco and Bronco II.  I'd also be 
>	interested in what type of mileage people get, as I'm
>	totally clueless as how four wheel drive affects this.
>	
>	Though I'm sure other mfrs put out good products, I'm
>	specifically interested in Fords, as I have one already,
>	and it's lasted 200K miles. So, if you've always been 
>	dying to get your opinion out, here's a chance to warn 
>	or encourage another buyer.
>	
>	Please respond directly to jkurien@rdrc.rpi.edu or 
>	jkurien@ibm.watson.com   If anyone cares I'll post a summary.
>
>	Thanks in advance.



I have recently acquired a 1990 Bronco.  Before I purchased it, I too solicited
opinions from the net.  I am sorry that I did not save those so I could forward
them to you, but ALL of the replys I got were positive about the full-sized 
Bronco.  (I have had several Ford 2x4 trucks and they all were exceptional.)

Since I bought it ($16K, Eddie Bauer version, 23K mi., 351 engine, auto, power
everything) I took it in for routine service once.  Found that the boots on the 
front axels were bad, so had them replaced, also had the front bearings replaced,
hubs redone, front roters had to be turned (don't know why they were warped),
wheels balanced and aligned, oil, filter, & lube, etc.  Preventive maintenance and
the rest was about $350.  

The vehicle drives well, has plenty of power, doesn't seem to have bad handling
for a short wheelbase 4x4 (at least nothing like a Jeep CJ-5).  I am very happy
with the Bronco.  Can't say much more since I have only had it 6 mos., but I 
expect to really enjoy it.  I know that 4x4s have more maintenance required than,
say, a Toyota Celica.  They also cost more to operate (fuel, insurance, as well as
maintenance), but if you want or need a 4x4, I highly recommend the Ford over 
the other makes I road-tested.

I didn't care for the GM monsters, the Jeep Cherokee is small, difficult to enter/
exit, and the newer 4x4s all seem to be designed for Yuppies who want to look
like good ole boys in their 4x4.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Best undercover car (was: CHP DOES HAV
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:37:12 CST

In article 1g8ca8INNaro@armory.centerline.com, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
|4. The speed limits are so low that everyone speeds and they can
|   punish with impunity.

Ask yourself:  When was the last time you saw a cop doing 55 on the 
freeway?  On my route to work they do >= 65 uniformly, except when
traffic slows.


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From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:32:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I saw something very interesting this afternoon on campus.
An Oscar Meyer Mobile pulled up in front of a dorm! 
Has anyone ever seen one for real, or is it just the fact that
I'm a young'n and wouldn't remember such a thing from the past?
I do remember a car magazine article roadtesting one of these
however.  Sounds like excellent group transportation!

Adam
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Guns and Axles (was Re: OLDsmobile name change)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:35:33 GMT
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Spiros Triantafyllopoulos (c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com) wrote:
& In article <2344@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
& >>Did GM just pay off Beretta Arms Company? I never heard anything about
& >>Colt Arms Company or Colt Malt Liquor suing Chrysler for the DODGE COLT.
& >
& >They would have no basis for doing so.  Trademark law makes a
& >distinction between unique words like "Beretta" and common words like
& >"Colt."  The latter can be used as a mark on multiple products that
& >cannot be confused by the common consumer.  (You would be unlikely to
& >confuse a car and a gun.)
& 
& Man, where were you a few years ago when Berreta Arms SA got upset with
& the Chevy Beretta? We would not have spent all that effort in the 
& court :-)

Ford went after Kawasaki for using the name "Zephyr".  Kawasaki has agreed
to stop calling motorcycles by that name.

Triumph has sucessfully negotiated with General Motors to resume sale 
of the "Bonniville" motorcycle in the USA.

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From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: saturn repair costs
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:19:17 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Bill Norcott regarding SATURN REPAIR COSTS on 12-16-92:

BN>In article <Bz1wpr.8JE#fc.sde.hp.com>, jgg@fc.sde.hp.com (Jay Geertsen
BN>|> The December '92 issue of Money magazine has a special report entit
BN>|> "How To Get Your Best Deal On Wheels".  It includes a section calle
BN>|> "Money's Second Annual Car-Cost Ratings", pp. 140-160.
BN>|>
BN>|> According to their charts, Saturns have the _highest_ "average five
BN>|> repair costs not covered by warranty".
BN>
BN>Hmm, that's a neat trick, since they won't have five years' worth of
BN>history on Saturn until 1996.

And they won't have five years' worth of out-of-warranty history until the 
turn of the century!  Money must have hired some kinda psychics!




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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fun way to tow 2000 pounds
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:02:38 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 SUBURBAN, loaded, 4wd, 4sp, 454 cu. in. motor, 4.11 gears.
           Seats 7 adults plus a ton of luggage.

 Oops, you said 2000 lbs.  I thought you said 20,000 lbs. 

 Sorry.  :)

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: newlin@kraft.ecn.purdue.edu (John Newlin)
Subject: Car purchasing advice.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:58:10 GMT

Hi,

  I am looking at buying a slightly used Mustang.  A dealer here
  in town has an '89 LX 5.0, 45,000 miles.  This car buying business 
  is new to me so I need some advice.  The car has obviously been 
  in at least one wreck, and they want $9000.  I talked him down to $7k.
  Any help will be appreciated.

  First question:  What are your opinions on buying a car that has
		   been wrecked?  The drive train appears to be ok.

  Second question: When a dealer says, I can't go below a certain price
		   and make a profit, is he lying?


Also, if this is not the correct group for this type of discussion 
let me know.

Thanks,

-John  
newlin@ecn.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: SUZUKI SIDEKICK
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:27:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.203221.27415@doug.cae.wisc.edu> po-tai@hprisc-23.cae.wisc.edu (Po-Tai Cheng) writes:
>  Hi..... I am going to buy a used SUZUKI SIDEKICK (1989, auto, cruise control
>Originator: po-tai@hprisc-23.cae.wisc.edu
>
>
>, power window).... it's not bad except that it has no automatic wheeling hub
>
>(you have to get out of the car to turn the knob every time you want to switch 
>
>into 4WD mode) and the dealer asks $7500 for it. Is there anybody can tell me
>
>how to push the dealer to lower down the price? Or Do you have a better
>
>suggestion about buying a used 4WD?  I'll appreciate it . THANKS.

$7500 sounds pretty steep for that car. Markup on used cars are
normally quite high, around 30%. I'd offer perhaps $5500.

Unless you are doing a ton of offroading, a good AWD car would
probably be better(especially with things like handeling) like
a used Subaru Legacy or Camry All-Trac. I also seem to remember
the Sidekick being very underpowered.

john
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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Looking for Jeep YJ Opinions...
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:23:49 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <14008@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
|> 
|> I have a 92 Jeep Wrangler with 11,000 miles.  I knew it would be uncomfortably
|> jouncy, noisy, spartan, etc., so have no problem with how it rides.  Performance
|> with the 4.0 is great, great heater, fun in the rough.
|> 
|> But an overpriced piece of ^#&$ from the reliability standpoint.  I have just
|> started talking to a lawyer, and we are going to pursue my state's Lemon Law
|> to get a refund.
|> 
|> Many little things go wrong, and go wrong repeatedly.  They are unfixable.
|> Chrysler Service has done what it could.
|> 
|> The sad part is, this is a very simple design, has lots of markup built into
|> its price, and has very little retooling costs from one year to the next.  But
|> Chrysler does not mind putting out this poor product.
|> 
|> I'm now considering what US car to buy as a replacement.  I'm looking at Saturn,
|> Taurus, etc.  But you know what?  I am so gun shy because of this experience
|> that I'll probably buy a Toyota.  I had 4 Toyotas before my venture back into
|> a US car company, and it's going to take a lot of convincing to get me to stay
|> with a US company.
|> 
|> Advice:  Shun the YJ/Wrangler.
|> 
|> 	Dave

Another data point:

I've got an '88 Wrangler that was bought new in Sept 87, during the buyout of
AMC by Chrysler.  In the 58K miles that it's been driven, I've replaced the
shocks, replaced the decel valve (smog equipment), and that's it.  It still
runs strong, both on the road and on gravel tracks.  I don'r do any serious
four-wheeling (ie rock climbing, etc) so can't comment on that, but I'm 
completely happy with it.  It's a rag top, 4.2l inline six, 5 speed tranny,
part-time transfer case, 3.08:1 gears, 20 gallon fuel tank.  It gets 18 mpg
commuting and 26 mpg at highway speeds.  Yes, the ride is rough, and it's
noisy, but it'll go anywhere I want to get, will turn on a dime, and is a ton
of fun to drive.

People who buy one of these, and then complain about the ride are the reason
that it's hard to find a decent tow vehicle any more.  People bought pickup
trucks because cars could no longer tow big trailers and then complained that
they rode like trucks.  So the manufacturers started softening up the suspensions
on the trucks, and guess what: tow ratings went down!  Thank <somebody> that
1 ton truck so far have been pretty much immune to the vagaries of consumerism.


-- 
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Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter)
Subject: Re: HUMVEE
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:18:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft, WGA Shotgun

In article <adamsd.724225101@crash.cts.com> adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas) writes:
| 
| So what did an actual military Humvee cost the US Govt.?

My source (an old magazine article) says $28,500.

--
Ben Goetter
beng@microsoft.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:10:43 EST
From: <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 S...

"Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:

>                                                    (BTW, there's been
>speculation in the press over the years that Audi KNEW the 100LS was a
>dog, but rushed it to market anyway, despite its MB reject engine and
>other unsolved problems.

What MB reject engine?

>                                   _ _ _ _ _
>Any other Audiphobes out there?   (_)_)_)_)_)

       _ _ _ _
Thats (_)_)_)_)
From: ss86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott A. Starkin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sales slime lies (was Re: Chevy truck doors)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:38:08 GMT
	<1992Dec10.053127.13538@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Junior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

One of the better tricks that I have seen happened while I was helping
my mother buy a Geo Prizm.

Her old Toyota had just died we went out to find a new car.  After we
decided we liked the Geo and got an acceptible price from the salesman,
we then started talking about the trade on the Toyota.  We asked for
$500.  The salesman went over to talk to the "Manager" and came back and
said we will accept the trade.  Later after my mom told him that we were
not going to finance the car he told us that he would only give us $200
for the Toyota, according to him, he agreed to take the trade but never
agreed to take it for $500.

Furthermore he denied that the '93 Prizm was going to be redesigned and
in general defined the word SCUM.  Don't these people realized that when
they jerk around customers like that, they won't be back to buy another
car.

Scott
Carnegie-Mellon

PS The salesman even had the nerve to say that we should write down that
"he was such a nice salesman" as one of the reasons why we bought the
car.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:51:17 GMT

Kenny Crudup writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.113719.13044@bsu-ucs> 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>The car is being councelled (sic) due to poor sales.  People I know buy cars
>>for transportation.  Not just to let them set and collect dust.   
>
>>Thanks for your time,
>>B. Daniels		<- at least this time he spelled his own name right!
>
>Next week, we work on spelling and line lengths, OK?

Boy, that's going to be tough Ken.  Daniels may be able to understand your lesson,
but what about some of the other guys on the net.  We had a guy at our last autocross
event who owned a Corvette; and when we asked him to do some announcing, he said he
couldn't do it because "if it isn't a Corvette or a Camaro, I don't know what it is!"
Honest, he said that.

I wonder how many words that guy could spell with the letters P, R, N, D, L, and the
numbers 0-60?   ;-)
From: tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car phones
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
Is there a FAQ on these?
Is there a more appropriate newsgroup then this one?
I really don`t know where to start on this one (and its
late as it is).

Any help would be *GREATLY* appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

--tony
From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Looking for performance mods
Followup-To: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:27:02 GMT
Organization: Systems Support Center, BCM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: j.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Dec8.220646.2814@unvax.union.edu>, lagrangj@unvax.union.edu
(Joshua C. LaGrange) wrote:
> 
> I have a '63 VW Beetle with a 1200 cc engine, and a six-volt system.
> Does anybody have any inexpensive performance enchancement ideas.
> Thanks in advance.

The people who make them :) claim that the Quiet Power mufflers can give
you about a 10% boost in power. I've been using them for so long that I
can't remember what it was like before...  under $100 and you don't have to
pull the engine.

bcnu - grungy (John Gladu) 61 double door panel
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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GasBooster (Fuel-saving device ?)
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:11:57 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

Hey, I'm a firm believer in all those 'gassaver'-thingoids...  I've put
45000mis on my 1990 Dodge pickup and *never* added a single bit of _gasoline_
to the tank...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, for the humour-impaired -- it's a Diesel...

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: NEWS OF 94' ACCORDS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:49:38 GMT

In article <11132.165.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com> erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim)  writes:
>  Yeah, the Accord is supposed to revised for 94 or 95 at the latest.
>Honda usually does a makeover every 4 or 5 years.  But the new
>generation Accord's are going to finally be equipped with the long
>awaited V6 to put it in the competition that has left the Accord in
>dust.

from what i read, they are going to recycle the 2.7 liter 24v V-6
from the previous generation acura legend.

-teddy