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From: louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac Powerbook 145 - adding external monitor
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:40:10 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <17tccfINNr2m@wugate.wustl.edu> cid@wupost.wustl.edu (Central Inst for the Deaf) writes:


>hello.
>i have a friend who is lookinginto buying a powerbook 145. i've been
>helping him sort various other options,
>but i'm not very Mac'ish. if he goes the laptop way, he wants a desk monitor
>possibility. the bookstore people said the only way was through the scsi(seemed
>like a bad idea). i just saw a breifing in oct 92 macworld which also
>mentions Envisio's notebook display adaptor, and the lapis or radius
>external adapter. has anyone out there successfully connected an
>external monitor to a powerbook? does it work? does it work well?
>any information regarding price, performance, etc would be very helpful.

>thanks 

>dj meyer
>djm@cidmv1.wustl.edu


Tell him to WAIT!

The PowerBook 160, which is expected to ship around mid-Oct, will include a port for external monitor. Also, the PB160 can be directly hooked to a desktop Mac as an external hard drive.

The price of PB160 is expected to be about the current price of the PB145, and the PB145 is expected to be even cheaper when PB160 is out.

Hope this helps

Louis (louislam@iastate.edu)
From: poe@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Does more VRAM help speed up 8*24GC???
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:11:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello Mac users

I was wondering...

Is htere any advantage to maxxing out the VRAM on an Apple 8*24GC video
card. There is 2MB on-board already, but things seem to be slower under
System 7 (.0.1) than System 6. Will the extra RAM help, or is there
another solution for my perceived speed loss?

Thanks,
Phil
POE@WHARTON.UPENN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cyor@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Mango Juice)
Subject: Three Buttons Mouse
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:26:42 GMT



Can anybody give a comparsion on the SuperMouse from Gacier and 
       3
the   A    optical mouse?


Thanks....

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: wang_dj@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (David J Wang)
Subject: Re: PB100 2/20+FD $699 at CitiDollar
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:49:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.231844.12252@Princeton.EDU> awolfe@oink.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe) writes:
>Can Someone post the phone number for Citidollar orders?
 
Try the 800 number on the back of the card.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: j9z@ornl.gov (John Martellaro)
Subject: Q700, Q950 & hard disks
Organization: Martin Marietta Energy Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:26:10 GMT

We are getting ready to buy some Quadra 700s, and we want the fastest 
possible internal hard disk.  We're getting a LOT of conflicting 
information from vendors.  What really opened our eyes was a loaner Q950 
from Apple with their 400MB drive.  The SCSI probe says this is a Seagate 
mechanism.  It blows away our Q700 with a Quantum 240 hard disk.  Load times of typical applications on the Q950 are ONE-THIRD the times of our Q700 with a Quantum 240.  Applications literally explode onto the screen.  

Yet Quantum technical support says that their 240 and 425MB drives are 
both SCSI-2 drives rated at 2.8 MB/s on the bus.  (Watch out- there's head 
to buffer peak performance rated at perhaps 10 MB/s, and there's  bus 
throughput - which depends on the controller.) Anyway, the specs on this 
Apple 400 MB drive are 15 ms ave seek and 1.2 MB/s transfer rate.  This is 
well below the the Quantum claims, yet it is substantially faster loading 
applications - at least on the Q950.

o Can this be attributed to the Q950 bus hardware compared to the Q700?  
(The 33 MHz 040, to the extent that it plays a role in moderating the loading of applications from the disk, does not account for this factor of 3 we see in 
application launch times.)

o Has anyone actually tested 3rd party drives in the 400-600 MB class  that 
equal the performance of Apple's 400 MB?

o Has anyone seen substantially different hard disk performance with 
identical drives in a Q700 and a Q950 or Q900?

So far, even Apple has not been much help.  If there is enlightening 
individual e-mail feedback, I'll post.  But this might be a good topic to 
leave on the open forum.

John Martellaro
The Oak Ridge National Laboratory
615-576-6840
From: bng@tropel.gca.com (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: ***** NEED INFO:  LCII  vs  IIsi *****
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:14:59 GMT

HELLO MacLC and MacIIsi users!

Could some of you help me to figure out which one is
better?  LCII or MacIIsi?  Pros and cons in aspects
like clock speed, screen-refreshing speed, expandibility
and so on are VERY WELCOME!  Oh, also graphics display
properties....

Thanks,
Baldwin Ng
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SUN 3 SIMMS
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:37:33 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Boeing

In article <TOU.92Aug31171605@oahu.cs.ucla.edu> tou@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Ivan Tou) writes:
>
>  Can one use SUN-3 1Mb SIMM's in a MAC SE?


We have used left-over IRIS 1mb SIMMS in MacII's...  the 9th
chip (parity bit) is ignored.  Works like a champ.

Rick


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From: vbob@linus.umd.edu (Bob Shields)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Disk access times?
Summary: Do disk access times make a difference on an LC?
Keywords: 'access time'
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:55:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I am planning on upgrading the hard disk capacity of my '020-based
Mac LC.  After reading numerous ads in the magazines, I have two
questions:

1)  I have seen access time claims from 10 ms to 15 ms for the drives
    I'm looking at.  In ordinary everyday usage, would I be able to
    notice this amount of difference on my LC?  (Or would the change
    from my current 25 ms drive even be noticeable?)

2)  One ad left me with the impression that a drive, nominally rated
    with a 12 ms access time, would only operate at a 25 ms rate if
    installed *internally* in my LC.  Is this true and, if so, why?

Thank you for your advice in advance,
-- 
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From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Subject: RE: Syquest drives or Burnoulli drives
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:39:54 GMT

I just got a Sankyo 250Mb tape backup system, and feel it is a better
investment.


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From: brnt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: <None>
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:48:19 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	I manage a lab at the University of Kansas.  We have two Mac II's, 14
Mac IIcx's, nine Mac IIsi's and one Mac Classic.  Recently we have discovered a
problem when trying to print to our networked LaserWriter from the IIsi's while
running MultiFinder.  All of our software except MacWrite II and DeltaGraph
Professional give a "Cannot open LaserWriter" error message and will not print. 
DeltaGraph Pro gives a similar message when launched, but it will print.
	None of the other machines have this problem, even though all the 
machines are running an identical system.  Is this a firmware problem?  Has
anybody else experienced it? or does anybody have a lab with IIsi's that WILL
print under MultiFinder?  Any suggestions on how to solve this problem?

Other (possibly) pertinent information:
		Memory: 4 megs
		Network: AppleTalk
		Netware: AppleShare 3.0
		Software that will not print:
			Word 4.0
			Word Perfect 2.1
			Excel 2.0
			Wingz
			Teach Text
			Cricket Graph
			SuperPaint
			HyperCard 2.1
		System: 6.0.7 with 7.0 print drivers
		Print Spooler: AppleShare 3.0 Print Spooler		
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From: benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: cat >> faq
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:14:05 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep3.193252.20709@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque) writes:
>In article <16573@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> igor@charles.ucdavis.edu writes:

[Beligerent, childish, pointless, insulting gloating, taunting, and
sneering deleted]

>Ahem.
>
>Fuck you.
>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing

Well said!
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From: gat@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Trouble using old Rodime drive and VCP Syquest removable
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:22:58 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

I am having problems using an old Rodime 100Mb internal drive with a
new VCP 88Mb removable external drive.  There seem to be some weird
driver incompatibilities, and some of my files appear to have been
corrupted.  In particular, the VCP Formatter program, which claims to
be compatible with everything under the sun, fails when it tries to
install its driver on my internal drive.  Also, I've had both my internal
drive and an external cartridge have their partition maps go bad for
no apparent reason.  Has anyone else had similar problems with an old
Rodime drive?  Any suggestions on what to do about it?  I've contacted
VCP, Rodime, and Appolyonics (which wrote the VCP driver) and they're
all stumped.  (P.S.  I've run the Rodime disk checker program and the
disk checks out fine.)

Thanks in advance,
Erann Gat
gat@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
From: benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PowerBook battery wisdom
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:31:00 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: PowerBook PB battery memory life charge charging

In article <parkyn.715013126@sfu.ca> parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
>There is an effect in NiCd batteries known as "voltage depression",
>which occurs if you overcharge the battery (if you leave it cooking in a
>high-rate charger for too long).  This effect lowers the output voltage

>Thanks to the originator of this information

And thank you for passing it on.  As one who suggested deep-cycling
the batteries, I'm glad to be corrected.  This should go in the FAQ
for sure.

I have a question: You said "high-rate charger."  Are there
possibilites of this happening in a regular charger, as well (damage
from charging too long)?
-- 

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benkei@cs.utexas.edu                   and senseless beauty"
From: syzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Don Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Problem:  SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:00:30 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

> Why *shouldn't* it work? How many naive users have lost data 
> because they thought their disk was bad when the HD drive 
> didn't recognize the DD format on the HD disk? As I've mentioned 
> before, I know that formatting HD disks to DD capacity is 
> dangerous due to media differences. But I also know that I've 
> done this on rare occasions on DOS machines and have never 
> had a single bit of lost data. 
> Macs are supposed to *empower* users and allow the power to 
> remain in the users' hands. This particular design deficiency 
> hinders that goal. 

...I'm not sure this has already been mentioned or not - my apologies if it 
has, but if you do accidentally format a HD floppy as DD, you can re-use it on 
a HD drive simply by covering up the hole in the upper left hand corner (with 
the shutter at the bottom and the front of the disk facing you) - the hole 
without the write-protect tab on it.  You'd probably want to copy the necessary 
files over to a properly formatted DD or HD disk as soon as possible, but for 
emergencies this method will suffice.
  I would agree that a short informative message would be helpful.

Don Lee (syzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: fredrick@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Timothy Fredrick)
Subject: Is it worth while putting a graphics card in a Mac IIsi?
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:37:09 GMT

I have a Mac user who wants to put a graphics card in a Mac IIsi and I've
heard conflicting stories.  One is that all of the video hardware that's
on the mother board does it's own graphics primitive, and an external card
(for an Apple 12" monitor) would just be a waste of money.  The other story
is that a graphics card could significantly accelerate screen operations
and help the overall performance of the machine.

Does adding an 8-bit card to a Mac IIsi with Apple 12" monitor really
help?  Would I see noticable performance improvement in graphics?  How
about with CPU operations?

Any insight or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

--Tim Fredrick
  Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO 80307-1000
From: chris@nosc.mil (Chris M. Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Color tube possible on SE/30?
Keywords: color upgrade SE30
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:34:07 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego


I would like to add an external color monitor to an SE/30.
Does anybody know of such an upgrade and it's availability?
I am presuming in all this that the PROM in the SE/30 can
handle color - I don't know that for certain.

E-Mail direct to me will save clutter.  If I get a
substantial response, I will summarize to the group.

Thanks
Chris Petersen
ORINCON Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie)
Subject: Partitioning 40 Mb hard disk--any reason to?
Summary: Stop laughing!
Reply-To: ogil@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Morris Fishbein Center for the History of Science and Medicine
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:02:05 GMT

Greetings.  Forgive me if this is a silly question...

Is there any good reason to partition a small (40 Mb) hard 
disk into smaller (say, 23 and 17 Mb) volumes?

As I understand it, the minimum block size on volumes 32 Mb 
and smaller is 512 bytes, while above that it's 1 K and up.  
But for a thousand files, the average savings would be 256 K, 
which hardly seems worth the trouble of 2 partitions (if I 
_really_ need the space, I'll spring for an 80 Mb drive).  So 
are there any other reasons for two partitions?  Ease of 
backup?  Greater data security?  What portion of hard drive 
crashes would affect only one volume on such a setup?

Reply by email or post if you think that thousands of people 
in the whole civilized world (as Pnews tells me) will be 
interested.

Perhaps this should go onto the FAQ list?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: martin@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: PB100 wierd screen crash.
Keywords: PB100 PowerBook LCD Screen crash error
 
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:22:16 GMT

One of the lines is about halfway down the screen and the other is
about a quarter of the way down (according to my memory).

I have always fixed this problem by booting with the shift key down,
and replacing the errant system extension.
    
My question is: is this behaviour normal?  (The PowerBook's, not mine. :-) )
What's happening?

Martin
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From: kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko)
Subject: Radius Rocket Problems
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:52:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
Keywords: Rocket Radius Modems

I've encountered an incompatibility between the Radius Rocket (running
Rocketware 1.3) and the Global Village TelePort FullFax ADB fax-modem.
Global Village's fax driver software will not load properly if the
Rocket is enabled and 32-bit addressing is turned on (this is with
System 7).  Even with 32-bit addressing off, while I have been able to
get Global's TelePort software to load, it still doesn't operate
robustly (I've hung it a couple times).  Needless to say, this is
pretty frustrating, since I really would like to use my fax without
rebooting the machine.  I'm not sure where the responsibility lies,
but since the GB s/w seems to work okay without the Rocket, it looks
like the culprit.  

Has anyone gotten this configuration to work?  Is there any hope of a
software patch anytime soon from Radius?  Would version 1.3.2 of the
Rocket software help?  Thanks in advance for the help.

Kurt Marko
From: cid@wupost.wustl.edu (Central Inst for the Deaf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac Powerbook 145 - adding external monitor
Date: 31 Aug 1992 10:03:43 -0500
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO
NNTP-Posting-Host: wugate.wustl.edu


hello.
i have a friend who is lookinginto buying a powerbook 145. i've been
helping him sort various other options,
but i'm not very Mac'ish. if he goes the laptop way, he wants a desk monitor
possibility. the bookstore people said the only way was through the scsi(seemed
like a bad idea). i just saw a breifing in oct 92 macworld which also
mentions Envisio's notebook display adaptor, and the lapis or radius
external adapter. has anyone out there successfully connected an
external monitor to a powerbook? does it work? does it work well?
any information regarding price, performance, etc would be very helpful.

thanks 

dj meyer
djm@cidmv1.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: toml@xrxedds.UUCP (Tom Love)
Subject: Re: PB100 2/20 at Microcenter in Atlanta
Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va.
	<1992Sep02.052403.8250@km4ba.uucp>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:43:26 GMT


fyi -

computer age, a local (and reputable) dealer) is selling PB100 2/20
with the external superdrive for $699 while supply lasts (according to
an ad in this past monday 8/31 washington post).

they do mailorder.  no credit card surcharge.

phone 301-588-6565 - silver spring md.
they also have locations in annandale va, beltsville md, catonsville md.

for those who care.  i wouldn't settle for less than 4 MB myself, but
this could be basis for a good upgraded machine.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Optical WORM jukeboxes Available?
From: Dr. Thomas Pierce <RS0THP@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:29:02 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company


Does anyone have any expeirence with OPTICAL WORM disk drives? Any
suggestions for a Quadra with 10GB of optical storage or so. ANd how is
file structure defined if I obtain a large jukebox, is it all logically
available or do I have to request each disk? Any comments would be appreciated.

My address is thpierce@rohmhaas.com or rs0thp@rohvm1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Subject: NewLife Accelerator stuff
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:09:54 GMT


I got several responses to my previous post, so here is more info on the
NewLife 25MHz w/68882 closeout special:

I got the board from Mac Upgrade Specialists.  It was a special during the 
first week in August.  It was in the MacWeek of that week, but I got a flyer
at their booth at the Expo in Boston.  I don't have the address or number right
now but I can mail it to  you when I get home.
Now the "secret" for installing it:  
  There was no way to fit the board in my SE.  It just would not fit.  Luckily,
my friend who was installing it for me had a newer SE that he used before he
got his IIsi this past spring.  So I got that SE from his house and the next day
we swapped the internal frame, which holds the drives, from his computer to 
mine.  The DIP SIMM SE's have a pass through slot for the PDS, which gave us
just enough room to get the logic board with the accelerator board in place.  It
is, however, very tight.  I am not sure about long term heat build-up effects of
this.  If you have an DIP SIMM SE, roughly 1988 1/2 or newer, you should be all
set.  My SE was built in '87.  
  As far as performance goes, I just ran Speedometer 3.1 on the IIsi I am typing
on now and compared it with the results of the test I ran on my SE this morining
and the SE exceeds the IIsi in almost every catagory.  My hard drive at home is
deathly slow, so that skews the average, but performance rating of my SE is
4.89 compared to 4.53 for the IIsi.  The benchmark averages are even more 
impressive.  SE to IIsi is 9.27 to 5.83.  FPU averages are identical at 1.26.
For the performance and benchmarks, a Classic is a 1.0.  for the FPU, a Mac II 
is a 1.0.  So you see there is a drastic improvment.  Like I said in the post,
the video speed is incredible.  This is because the accelerator uses RAM in the
logic board for video and uses the RAM on the accelerator as normal ram.  I have
my 4 Meg (4 1 Meg simms) in the accelerator and 1 meg( 4 256K simms) on the 
logic board.  The logic board RAM that is left over is used as a RAM disk.  It's
crash-proof (you can restart/shutdown->restart) and it save the contents of the
RAM disk.  If you shut off the computer, you lose the contents of the RAM disk.
  The accelerator is incompatible with one type of SIMM brand, so of  course I 
had 2 SIMMs from that brand.  I was able to swap memory with my friend though,
so I came out OK.  The board requires 110ns or faster memory.  I have 70ns.  My
logic board RAM is 150ns.
  If you have the right Mac, it will take under 1/2 an hour to install the accelerator.  It basically just plugs in.  You need low-height simms on the logic
board and it would help if you had low ones on top as well, since it is so tight.  Otherwise, its a good board.  Oh, yeah, the sound is bad now, but I can just
turn of the volume.
  I'll get the address to you this evening.

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