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From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: German "Star Trek"
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:54:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct16.175457.2823
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

titling it is easy.
what goes on before it gets titled isn't. you have to write a translated
"title" script, get it approved by the powers that be and then (before
computers become prominent) manually title the movie. (ever noticed
subtitles that looked crummy or simply were unreadable? handjobs....).
this was a very timeconsuming enterprise. it took (from what i heard)
almost two months to title a movie. this then becomes a rather
moneyintensive operation, since the trade wasn't readily practiced by every
other craftsman, they were very well paid for a job that took a long time
to complete. if you have a tv series that airs weekly, the statup time (and
money) was huge.
dubbing is cheap because an actor can dub a part for a tv show in a day and
a movie in less then 3. the austrian tv network didn't do much dubbing of
their own (they let the germans do it for them...), however when they did
they contracted a soundstudio where my cousin worked as a soundengineer (my
source of info...). they had actors under contract that would provide the
voices and usually did so for fair wages (most where paid on a word basis),
however since the studio rent and the actual fees weren't all that big as
titling (hey, this isn't hollywood...do you think they'd pay $1000000 for
someone to dub an episode of "miami vice"?), not to mention the quick rate
of production made it a more feasable alternative.
however, with the advent of easy computer titling, i would think the
situation has reversed itself. however, by now most people are so used to
dubbed stuff that they wouldn't want to go back....

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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Romulan in TNG "The Enemy" ?= young Spock in STIII: TSFS ??
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:23:41 GMT

	Pardon me if this has already been hashed out here or in the
ras.current group, but I saw the Next Gen. episode "The Enemy" last
night, where Geordi gets trapped down on a stormy planet and meets up
with an equally-trapped Romulan.  (Good writing for a TNG episode, I
must say).
	Anyway, when I saw said Romulan, the first thing that came to
mind was the adolescent Spock maturing on the Genesis planet in The
Search for Spock movie.  Is it the same actor??   They sure look alike.
	Coincidentally, two friends of mine made the same independent
observation when discussing the episode the next day, which lent
conviction to my suspicion.  They also described him as a `babe'.

	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: kelsey@redwing.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: BEST TEASERS????
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:53:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Oct13.204930.19041@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.020953.13827@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
|> 
|> >Best Teaser Ever?:  Without a doubt "Cause and Effect."  A teaser *can't*
|> >get more exciting than watching as the Enterprise goes kablooey.  Brilliant
|> >teaser, and a brilliant show as well.  
|> 
|> ...Not to mention the cheapest budget for scriptwriting by repetition. :-)
|> 
Hey, it wasn't *THAT* cheap, or repetitious.  On each cycle, the conversations
were slightly different, and the shots were taken from different viewpoints.
In several cases, entirely different scenes from the same time period were
used to get a fuller picture of how much was going on at once.  Look at the
poker game for example.

But, yeah, had to be the most exciting teaser yet.

						-- Mike Kelsey
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-- 
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"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.  Attack ships on fire off
the shoulder  of Orion.   I've watched  C-beams glitter in  the darkness
near the Tannhauser Gate.  All these memories will be lost in time, like
tears in the rain."  -- Roy Batty
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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Subject: Re: tng font
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:02:18 GMT

In article <2ADB73F9.11889@news.service.uci.edu> eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.142504.17002@prime.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes:
>>In article <2AD74F10.11531@news.service.uci.edu> eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence) writes:
>>>THere are fonts available for ftp on sumex-aim.stanford.edu;
>>>both are shareware, and Type 1. One is Crille (or a TNG clone), the
>>>other a adapted Crille for the titles. I believe that both (in addition
>>>to TOS and movie fonts) are archived in one package, startrek.hqx, or
>>>somesuch. They are intended for use with the Macintosh.
>>>
>>>Directory: info-mac/font
>>>
>>>later
>>>Andrew Laurence
>>>
>>
>>
>>Do you happen to know where I could get these as TrueType fonts
>>(to be used with Word for Windows) - or if TrueType is not available,
>>as any font-type as long as I can use them with Windows.
>>
>
>I know of no TT equivalents for these fonts. However, there exists a 
>Mac free/shareware utility called TTConverter which ports TT fonts
>Mac<=>Windows. There is also a Mac program called FontMonger
>which can Type1<=>TT. It might be cheapest to simply buy ATM/Windows,
>but I don't know if you can just copy the Type1's over.
>
>If I recall, the author of the fonts requests that they remain in
>Type1 format, and asks users to destroy any TT versions they may
>run across; taking that into account, you may be SOL.
>
>Of course, this is only whast *I* know. Anyone know of TT Trek fonts?
>
>-Andrew Laurence
>

So if ANYONE could do this conversion (I have no MAC) for me, I would
be VERY VERY grateful! Or if anyone can find these in Windows compatible
format..
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Beverly Crushers year long absence on ST:TNG
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:15:37 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct8.235804.807@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
<Keith Henry (henryk@miki.pictel.com) wrote:
<: What was the official explanantion (both on show and off) for the absence of
<: Beverly Crusher for the year that the actress Diana Muldare (sp?) was chief
<: medical officer?
<
<Also, if Pulaski was a real replacement, why did the credits stick Diana
<Muldaur as a special guest or guest appearance, and not a star?

Because Diana Muldaur wanted it that way.
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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: McCoy Quotes Wanted
Keywords: monKEY, turKEY, donKEY, KEYboard
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:08:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct12.124021.9815@bradford.ac.uk>, K.Haigh-Hutchinson@bradford.ac.uk (K.HAIGH-HUTCHINSON) writes...
>In article <1992Oct07.192158.3869@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>In article <BvoLur.4r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>'I am a Dr. not a bricklayer'
> 
>Not too sure about 'Dammit Jim'. Would fit the character but did
>1960's TV allow it?
Yes, they did.  Censoring looks at words and direct meaning.  "Damn it!"
wouldn't pass, but apparently "Dammit" did.  But I'm an anti-censor so they
can all...







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                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
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Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea)
Subject: Re: ST books - some observations
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:43:28 GMT

In article  kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article  hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>>In article  cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Did you enjoy Ishmael, too?  I had no idea what I was getting into when
>>>I started that book.  I thought it was just fabulous!  The key to loving
>>>that book was that you really had to be a 'Here Come the Brides' fan to
>>>appreciate the connection with Spock's dad and Aaron Stemple, both played
>>>by the same actor.  I just loved it!  
>>
>>But if you've never seen the other show, the references to it are
>>annoying (in the sense that they're an "in-joke" that you're not privy
>>to), and the book doesn't really have any other qualities.  I've always
>>thought that Ishmael was one of the worst (at least, before
>>"Dreadnought!" :)
>
>Well I've never seen the other show (or was even aware of a connection)
>when I read "Ishmael" and I enjoyed it reasonably well (it grew better
>on rereadings too -- that's two good signs (one, that there *was* a rereading
>and two, that it improved).). It was a bit too understated perhaps --
>given its lighthearted premise, it could have been a bit "wilder" for us
>non-insiders.
>
YES!  Ishmael was lame and very un-original with all the characters from the
TV show...  I'm not sure it was the purpose but I kept laughing throughout the
book since it was so blatant in it's use of the old TV show.  Seems to me this
writer needs to get a life instead of copying old TV show characters just to
write a "new?" story??????  ;-)

-Guy

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                        1-800-328-9108  Fax:(612)424-1736
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: BEST TEASERS????
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:49:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct13.204930.19041
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Oct12.020953.13827@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:

>Best Teaser Ever?:  Without a doubt "Cause and Effect."  A teaser *can't*
>get more exciting than watching as the Enterprise goes kablooey.  Brilliant
>teaser, and a brilliant show as well.  

...Not to mention the cheapest budget for scriptwriting by repetition. :-)



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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: stvi press kit for sale
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:59 EST

TO: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

>        I have a press kit for the movie Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered
>Country (yeah, I'm sure you all know the full title =^]), and I'm
>wondering if any serious collector out there is interested in taking it
>off my hands.  It contains a 8-1/2 x 11 book full of info (actually
>probably uninteresting stuff to the average Trekkie -- OOPS -- "Trekker"
>=^]), and several glossy B&W photos (none missing).  There's also a
>seperate gatefold type-t'ing with all the credits.
>        Neither of these are in great condition, but if you're at all
>interested, I can forward you some more details.

I'm interested.  I'll take it off your hands for oh, five bucks?


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From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: German "Star Trek"
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:57:48 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct15.203921.2781@pro-freedom.cts.com> kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger) writes:
>jeez. you know why they dub movies and tv shows? $$$$$$. it's that simple.
>it costs a lot more to subtitle (lots of work) then to dub (pay an actor to
>read a script). at leasts thats how i remember it. if you watch some older
>progrrams on german or austrian tv, you'll notice they're subtitled - it
>seems someone had a bright idea in the early '60s and >poof!<. that was
>that. i can't i ever complained.

Do you know this based on some factual information, or are you just guessing?
I don't have any factual basis for what I'm about to say, since
I've never worked with a production or post-production crew, but
I'd have to disagree. It seems to me that subtitling a movie could be
done by one bilingual person and some fairly inexpensive equipment.
I know that lots of titling machines sell in the neighborhood of several
thousand dollars.

Dubbing a movie requires hiring many actors and actresses (one for everyone
appearing in the movie/show, unless you have really skilled people that can
do multiple voices). These people should all understand what they are doing
so that they can do the voices with the required feeling, and may even
require multiple "takes". The sound guys then have to do their best to match
the recorded voices with the mouths moving on TV, and may need to speed up
or slow down the voices in the event that the people doing the dubs didn't
speak at the same rate as the original. It all sounds pretty complicated to
me, especially if you want to do a semi-decent job of it.

Subtitles on the other hand seem pretty easy, and I think you or I could
do that with some practice (no insult intended to any people who make a 
living at doing that).

So how can you justify your point that dubbing would be way cheaper
than subtitling?

william@cs.arizona.edu
From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Beverly Crushers year long absence on ST:TNG
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:25:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct8.125216.5779@miki.pictel.com> henryk@miki.pictel.com (Keith Henry) writes:
>What was the official explanantion (both on show and off) for the absence of
>Beverly Crusher for the year that the actress Diana Muldare (sp?) was chief
>medical officer?
>
>Inquiring minds what to know.
>
>/keh

On the show:  Beverly Crusher was appointed Head of Starfleet Medical
              for that year, and was thus not on board the Enterprise.

Off the show:  The producers were not happy with the character.  They did
               not feel there was enough chemistry between her and Picard.
               So they let Gates go and brought in Diana Muldaur, and 
               attempted to portray the doctor as more of an antagonist 
               to Picard.  This seemed to me to be an attempt to re-create
               the Kirk-McCoy abrasiveness that made TOS more lively.
               By the end of Season 2 the producers were not happy with
               Pulaski, either.  And (I think) a lot of fans wrote in that
               they wanted Gates McFadden back, but I don't know if the 
               letters influenced their decision or not.  But obviously 
               they brought her back.   

-- 
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From: LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Story: The Vigilante 1-3a
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92289.171800LEN101
Organization: Penn State University


Following are parts 1 thru 3 of "The Vigilante" a story I've
been working on, on and off, since the begining of the summer.
parts 1 and 2 were previously posted to a.s.c and now include some slight
changes or fixes pointed out the first time I posted.--includeing
spell checking (I think).

Recently I've been inspired while working on part 3 so I've split
it up and will be posting part 3B SOON.
I know some will say I'm premature posting at least before I've
got all of part three completed, maybe, but the well has been so
dry lately I figured you'd appreciate seeing something new.

The changes I've made to parts 1 and 2 are pretty minor
and mostly cosmetic so if you earlier versions i recommend
just copying them over what you already have.

I've also evened the lengths up between the first two parts
but like I said no major changes.

as always, creative feedback is welcome and greatly appreciated.

coming very soon
The Vigilante IIIB  "The Warriors"
coming sometime this fall hopefully
The Vigilante IV    "The Ring of Spears"

Larry

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trivia question: can anybody find the specific quotes that Vig IV is
going to be using?
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From: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Subject: tng font
Reply-To: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:29:15 EST

  I know I've seen reference to this in the past, but I don't recall where.
If I remember it correctly, the 'STAR TREK' as used in the opening credits
either is, or is based on a specific font.

  Could someone reply here, or by e-mail and tell me the name of that font?

Thanks.

Paul Tucker
Artful Applications.
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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Subject: Re: tng font
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:25:04 GMT

In article <2AD74F10.11531@news.service.uci.edu> eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence) writes:
>THere are fonts available for ftp on sumex-aim.stanford.edu;
>both are shareware, and Type 1. One is Crille (or a TNG clone), the
>other a adapted Crille for the titles. I believe that both (in addition
>to TOS and movie fonts) are archived in one package, startrek.hqx, or
>somesuch. They are intended for use with the Macintosh.
>
>Directory: info-mac/font
>
>later
>Andrew Laurence
>


Do you happen to know where I could get these as TrueType fonts
(to be used with Word for Windows) - or if TrueType is not available,
as any font-type as long as I can use them with Windows.

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: ro's gone??? (was re: new
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:00:05 EST

TO: wildcard@nevada.edu

>What ?!!?!?   They're taking my favorite character on TNG and putting her
>out to pasture, doomed to do occasional guest-shots and be refered to
>nostalgically?

>Does anyone know why? And who I can write to complain?

Word is that SHE left.  She was offered to be switiched over to Deep
Space Nine but she told Paramount that she wanted to pursue a film
career.

A few months back, the joke was that Paramount said just two words:
TASHA YAR.  And that kept Ro in.

Apparently not...  He character of Ro on DSN will be replaced by a new
character name-wise but personality wise, it's the same old Ro...
Hopefully the actress for Ro (forget her name right now) will come back,
I thought she was great too!


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From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform.
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:19:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct9.091914.2572
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

the movie was "taking care of buissness" with john belushi and charles
grodin. the scene your talking about had a japanese buissnessman, his
american executive (mcfadden) and belushi (impersonating an ad exec)
toasting each other before dinner. belushi gets up and toasts to "the cubs
winning the world series (a backdrop in the movie) and big boobs". this
cracks the japanese exec up and promptly mrs. mcfadden opens her jacket and
(more or less) "lets it all hang out" (she was wearing a tight sweater,
though). it's a rather amusing little comedy.
the other TNG regular in there was john delancie, who also played an ad
exec.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Legal?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:26:02 GMT

In article <BvtHL0.ICq@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>Since licensed dealers sell scripts at conventions, I'm guessing 
>they are not illegal to own, and as long as you're not charging money
>to see it, no laws are broken by showing a script to someone else.
>
>Right or wrong?

	Wrong.

	Next?

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From: davidhe@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: HELP! Trek_sounds.tar.Z needed after Oct.9
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:39:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I don't know where I read this... Someone posted a message about an FTP site
where I could find a file called Trek_sounds.tar.Z.  This file contained a 
large number of Trek related sound files.  I believe the site was 
omicron.cs.fsu.edu.  Anyway, I will soon be getting an account wich will be 
able to handle files as large as this one (5 megs), but I won't be until next
Tuesday or Wednesday. The file is set to go off line on Oct. 9.  Could the 
person who posted that message, or anyone at all that can help, please try to
keep that file on-line until October 14 or 15?  Any and all help will be 
appreciated.  Thanks.

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