HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mingzuo Shen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Nature of Chinese Communist Party
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:26:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug17.192644.12872
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Hi all,

    Recently reference has been made in this group to the
"Cambridge History of China", which unfortunately our library
does not have. Even more recently the question of cannibalism
was raised in this group. I wonder if people still have doubts
about the nature of the Chinese Communist Party?!

    I recently read a book, "Chiang Kai-shek, His Life and Times",
by Keiji Furuya and abridged English edition by Chun-ming Chang.
This is a huge book of some one thousand pages. If you do not like
to read the whole book, I would like to inform you that the US 
government, under the influence of lots of people, thought that
the Chinese Communists were "agarian reformers" (not genuine
communists). The US government also thought that the USSR
communists under Stalin were peace-loving etc. 

    Since the 1989 Tiananman event, I also realized that present
day lots of people (the majority, it seems) think that the Chinese
Communist Party suddenly became bad because the west caught
them (or soldiers under them) doing things. Many people seem to think
that the Chinese communists were OK before 1989. 

    I find it hard not to agree with the author of the forementioned
book; no wonder the Chinese mainland was lost to the Chinese communists.
Is the human mind facinating and hopeless or what. 

mingzuo shen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40 years ago
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:01:12 GMT

Here is a piece of news from CND:

[Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died
in the street, after tangling with one of the city's dreaded woman bus
conductors.   His nightmare began inside the bus when the ticketpuncher
snarled an insult about the shape of his backside.   She swore at him,
slapped his face and broke his glasses, made a grab for his testicles, then
stood back and aimed a vicious kick at his private parts.  As he scrambled
out of a window, the driver -also a woman- slammed her foot on the
accelerator pedal and sent him flying. (From: Di Bi Cao)


What do you folks think? Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40  
years ago? 

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:35:36 GMT

I'm not sure to say large-scale cannibalism happened in China, but
at least meso-scale cannibalism did happen several decades ago.
Remember the novel, snow white and snow red (in chinese order),
it tells about the what happened in Liao-Sheng battle field before
1949. Any questions? Go read the novel.

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phyzzzx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ziyang Zhang)
Subject: testing
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:28:41 GMT

this is a test. Please ignore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: GNP of China
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:39:30 GMT

In article <713723373.17360@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the journal of the China Quarterly (No.125, University of
>London (UK), 1991), the GNP of China in 1990 was in the 9th position after 
>the USA, Soviet Union, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Britain and Canada.
          ????????????
My guess is that this is based on the exchange rate 1 Ruble = 4 U.S. Dollars
The current rate is 1 U.S. dollar = 125 Rubles.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ABOUT CULTURE: small statistics
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:43:39 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw205

How many cultures are there in this crowded world?

No. of
news
group

738     soc.culture.afghanistan:
739     soc.culture.african:
741     soc.culture.arabic:
742     soc.culture.asean:
743     soc.culture.asian.american:
744     soc.culture.australian:
745     soc.culture.bangladesh:
746     soc.culture.brazil:
747     soc.culture.british:7929,7931,7933
748     soc.culture.bulgaria:
749     soc.culture.canada:
750     soc.culture.caribbean:
751     soc.culture.celtic:
752     soc.culture.china:13240,13575,13604,14001
753     soc.culture.esperanto:
754     soc.culture.europe:
755     soc.culture.filipino:
756     soc.culture.french:
757     soc.culture.german:
758     soc.culture.greek:
759     soc.culture.hongkong:5914,5919,6079
760     soc.culture.indian:
761     soc.culture.indian.american:
762     soc.culture.iranian:
763     soc.culture.italian:
764     soc.culture.japan:
765     soc.culture.jewish:
766     soc.culture.korean:
767     soc.culture.latin-america:
768     soc.culture.lebanon:
769     soc.culture.magyar:
770     soc.culture.mexican:
771     soc.culture.misc:
772     soc.culture.nepal:
773     soc.culture.netherlands:
774     soc.culture.new-zealand:
775     soc.culture.nordic:
776     soc.culture.pakistan:
777     soc.culture.polish:
778     soc.culture.portuguese:
779     soc.culture.romanian:
780     soc.culture.soviet:
781     soc.culture.spain:
782     soc.culture.sri-lanka:
783     soc.culture.taiwan:6368,6371,6465
784     soc.culture.thai:
785     soc.culture.turkish:
786     soc.culture.usa:
787     soc.culture.vietnamese:
788     soc.culture.yugoslavia:

Note that Hongkong and Taiwan are listed
seperately. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Why should we demand the "Japs" say SORRY to China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.122104.14450@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>	If the "Japs" say sorry, would you be happy?
>
>	If the Chinese government refuse to accept the "war criminal"'s 
>donation, would you be happy?  
>
>	Maybe you'd be happy, but what would you gain?  Nothing.  You are
>still a "poor stick" guy. 
>
>	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
>the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It doesn't
>refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar reconstruction.
>
>	Chairman Mao was the one who refuse and demand for almost 30 years
>after the war.  Then he probably realized that it was stupid.  But there are
>still stupid guys 50 years after the war.
Japan at the time used diplomatic relationship as leverage to get off the hood
of paying reparation!
I remember vaguely that one of Japan's prime minister's recollection
of his conversation with Zho, something like:
   When Japanese prime minister inquired that Japan has "difficulty" to
 recognize China if War reparation is not concelled. 
   Japanese prime recall that Zho says "that is the only thing left (to
 make Japan recongnize PRC) for us".
Do not be too simplistic on world politics! It is a wild jungle, every body
look after his own interests! Fair or not fair, justice or not justice
do not carry ultimate weight!
I read today's Boston Global, it noted Clintons speech critical on Bush
foreign policy. First part, it side how "evil" China is, then effisised
on how important for US to have strong millitary, willing to fight, and
determined to win.
It was full of millitant tone.
I am a little startled that a promising president candidate can have those
kind of speech, lack of diplomatic skills, and hostility toward China.

>
>dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23551 soc.culture.taiwan:12217 soc.culture.hongkong:10038 soc.culture.japan:7116
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:37:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Aug21.163740.46593
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug21.25446.20334@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>It would be very interesting to see some photos. Do they exist? Has anyone

	I have seen just a few of them in several books in Japan.

>People hear so much, and are only willing to believe so much. But if you
>want them to understand, you must SHOW them.
>-- 
	Quite right.  As long as I know, the Japanese who saw the pictures 
	often showed the fear of war and anger toward what Imperial Army did.
	Those who had not known the fact was just surprised and said they had
	learned something.

	Seeing is believing.

	AND, those ptictures SHOULD have been taken BY THE JAPANESE MILITARY
	since those killed in the events could not have had any chances to do
	that.

					Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.usa
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: GNP by purchasing power
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:07:44 GMT

<ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>It's well known among the intelligence circles that the GNP based
>on exchange rates could be quite misleading, and the organizations
>such as the IMF (International Monetary Fund) stopped using it as
>the mean to measure a nation's economic power long ago (but the
>unsophisticated populace, including the press, still treat the GNP
>based on exchange rates as the gospel on a nation's wealth :-( ).

>The UN and IMF have developed a sophisticated system to calculate
>the actual GNP's of all nations --- the so-called GNP by purchasing
>power (it may not be perfect but what else is out there?).  The
>following is from the `Fortune' magazine (page 128-129, October 7,
>1991):

>  | 1988 |         GNP per capita       GNP             GNP
>  |Figure|      (by purchasing power)           (by purchasing power)

>  Mainland           US$ 2,472      [US$ 363.8B]     US$2,803.2B
>   Taiwan            US$ 6,528      [US$ 161.7B]     US$  131.9B
>  HongKong           US$14,014      [US$  70.1B]     US$   81.3B
>  Singapore          US$10,417      [US$  35.2B]     US$   28.1B

>   Japan             US$13,645      [US$2961.0B]     US$1,685.2B
>  S. Korea           US$ 5,682      [US$ 238.0B]     US$  243.2B

The figure for Taiwan is misleading, considering as high as 60% of the
economy is generated "outside" government Statistics, Taiwan's GDP by
purchasing power should be about $6,528 / 0.40 = US$ 16,320.. and
the GNP would be $161.7B / 0.40 = US$ 404.25, and GNP (by PP) is
$131.9B / 0.40 = US$ 329.75.

That would make Taiwanese the richest people in the Asia/Pacific (and
probably the world) (in terms of purchasing power per Capital) followed
by HongKongese, and Japs, and Singaporeans/Australians; the Americans
would be somewhere inbetween Japs and Sing/Aus.

That sounds more realistic, considering Taiwan is the second biggest
investors in the region, and the single biggest investors in some
countries.

>IMHO, in 1988 (when the Soviet Union was still in the high gear of
>production), the ranking of economic powers according to the actual
>GNP by purchasing power are:

>  U.S.A., U.S.S.R., P.R.China, Japan, Germany, ...

-- 
"Now we insist that the customers use condoms, and most do.
We hit them on their most sensitive point, saying we are protecting
their families."              -- Margarita, Mexico City prostitute
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) that really hurts! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:28:09 GMT

In article <WYb-ag=@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)  
writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.154819.10158@news.nd.edu> mm@doge.phys.um.edu (Matt  
Macura) writes:
> >There are at least one third of the articles in this Newsgroup that either
> >sounds really boring or looks really ugly. I don't really understand why  
some
> >people keep buffling on something for damn too long. I don't think some of  
the
> >guys here should be allowed to shoot craps all over the place like they did.
> >Clean up the fights, man!
> 
> Well, your article is very boring and ugly indeed.

Well, please attack against each other on this topic again. Gentelmen,  
please! The world is an endless circle, isn't it?! Through each circle, people  
get to  know this group better and better. What an exposure of nice  
personalities!!

Carl
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Stoke Exchange and China
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:38:47 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug19.160344.37965@introl.introl.com> ed@introl.introl.com (Ed Zhong) writes:
>but in Japan the counterpart companies have much higher P/Es.
>500PE doesn't mean 500 times more expensive than the company's value, in fact,
>it is not even related. The value of a company depends on the market, if it
>goes as high as 500P/E, then it is worth that much. 

On the other hand, if you have an overly large P/E ratio, it may mean
that the market values the stock far more than it should.  What may be
happening is that lots of people want to buy the stock, which drives
the stock price up, which causes more people to want to buy the stock,
which drives the stock price up higher etc., etc.

The trouble with this is that eventually you get prices for stocks
that are completely out of touch with the income the stock can
generate.  Suddenly people realize that stocks are overpriced and
start selling them as fast as they can.  The means that stock prices
go into free fall, and a lot of people lose a lot of their money.

The sort of thing is what been happening to the Japanese stock market
in the past few months.  It also happened to the real estate market in
the United States in the early 1980's.
From: shaol@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:27:22 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

This is only test, please disregard this.

                              Thans!
From: qzhang@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Qing Zhang)
Subject: Test
Keywords: test
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:40:19 GMT


this is a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xyang@bcars279.UUCP (Sherry Yang)
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Reply-To: xyang@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:46:26 GMT

It's interesting to see those news matches! (see the following
attachments.) I assume we don't need any "Electronic Matchmaker" 
here! :-)

Why don't you just simply match those two lists? One is in short of
Chinese women while the other is in short of men (does Chinese
in overseas count as FORGIENERS or those Chinese girls really want
someone who has different skin colors? like black/white/red/green
or whatever but yellow?)

Good luck to both boys and girl for finding that special one of
yours!

In article <64104@cup.portal.com>, Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Chinese women, having a problem finding a Chinese man?  I am about to 
|> launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks to the 
|> imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
|> expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
|> draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
|> needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
|> posted in alt.personals.  
|>  
|> This service is serious and I already have 291 men and 162 women 
|> signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
|> and programming has begun.  
|>  
|> I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
|> needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make 
|> sure that matches are compatible culturally.  
|>  

------------------------------------------------------------
A short news from CND:

|>[AFP, 8/13/92] Beijing - China's Communist authorities have thrown their
|>full support behind once-taboo mixed marriages with foreigners, with an
|>article in the People's Daily introducing an officially sanctioned
|>matchmaking service. The "Divine Land Computer Matchmaking Service" opened a
|>month ago in the southern city of Guangzhou and specialises in introducing 
|>Chinese singles to foreigners. Ten men and 196 women seeking mates abroad  
|>have registered with the firm, which has links with dating services in
|>several countries. (From: a CND reader)
From: lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:11:53 GMT

In article <29d-7M+@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
|> In article <9208190018.AA05985@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <jxd-cC@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
|> >|> In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public you did not.
|> >|> 
|> >|> J Chen
|> >
|> >Is this what one calls "Lao Xiu Cheng Nu" or "Ci Di Wu Yin San Bai Liang" ?
|> >
|> Well, it is you who do not behave like a gentleman. We have
|> no reason to treat you as a gentleman. This is the proper
|> way to treat you. As long as you keep the offensive name,
|> your mother deserves to be fucked. I suggest the netters write
|> "Fuck L Ho's mother." as the first sentance in any article
|> respond to him. 
|> 
|> J Chen
|> Department of Chemistry
|> University of Michigan

I doubt that many netters would be as vulgar (yes, this is the best word for
you) as you, Mr Chen (or should you be called Dr or Prof Chen because of your
expertise in using vulgar language?). Offensive name? Does that bother you? 
Ha Ha .... what a guy! Bothered by other's name!!! 

You must be a very unhappy man, you probably should look at the
chemistry of your brain. BTW, should netters also call you " J Vulgar Chen " 
every time they write to respond to your article?

L Ho
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 15:22:42 CDT
From: <U24211@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test

This is still a test!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:55:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.210017.16991@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>>
>>As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
>>There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
>>of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
>>as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
>>
> 
>
>The fact that you survived the famine does not make you an authority on all
>of China during that period. Therefore your assertion that the report of
You Westeners have the authority to say all thing happened in China?
The original story was claimed written by a "Chinese", was that a good
enough evidence to say it did happen!
Why so many Westeners more eager to say it did hapened than Chinese on this
net from the name of authors of posting?
Before any hard evidence came up? I can only treat this kind of garbage
posting as another attempt to alienate Chinese Government from Chinese
students, turn China into turmoil, or "democracy", in which Westen
companies do what ever they please in CHina as they did in East Europe!

According to State Department estimate, during that period 20 million 
people died(killed), because there were that amount of population short of 
normal years. So every body in the world started to believe that!
But it was a distortation! Before Soviet broke up, her Birth rate dropped 30%.
China situation was worse than that the 1990's Soviet, if birth rate dropped
30% for China, three years, would at least end up 15 million population drop,
if assume 20 million new born each year(before family plan).
>cannibalism is "simply" a lie is unsupported.
>
>I often run across this type of argumentation in this newgroup. It often runs 
>together with, "You will never understand (and therefore you cannot contribute
>anything intelligent to) XXX because you weren't in China then."
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:10:46 GMT


In article <199208180007.AA10809@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
[Deleted for brevity]
>I heard this sort of things during the famine in late-1989 to early-1963
>too, in Chengdu, Sichuan. It was not a surprise to learn such stories in
>Anhui, which was the one of top two provinces sufferred the most in that
>famine along with Sichuan:-(   I called the original a lie, not because
>I never knew any evidence of such stories -- my ignorance can't prove its
>nonexisistance.
Mr. Lix, again my apology for my first post for not pointing out the
original post in this thread was, okay put it in a polite way, an
exaggeration.  This morning when I came across that post from Sweden,
I could easily tell a provocative tone in that post.  To be honest as
an ordinary Chinese, I acknowledged to have heard such things and also
pointed out this sort of things happens to all kind of people under
extreme circumstance and it has nothing to do with Chinese culture. 

To my great regret, I didn't notice the original post was say that
that people who were categorized as "class enemy" were driven like
animals to slaughter houses.  If the number of people was 2-5, 
honestly, I am not sure whether it was true or not.  You know, at
some remote inland regions, local "emperors" in a small mountain village  
could do whatever he likes.  But if the number of people was "ten of 
thousands", then I think it was simpley not true; it is inconsistent
with what I had heard. So at this point I agree with you, the original
post was a lie.  But who is lying? The author of that article or that
poster?  Anyway we don't know Swedish.
[Deleted for brevity]
>Fine again.
>
>>   morale from deterioration.  The sad fact was that MOST of those 
>   criminals otherwise would have been fairly normal human beings.
>
>Here is the problem. I can't agree on this. Whenever a culture regards
>cannibalism as normal humanbeing's behavor when he/she is hungry, the
>culture should be blamed. According to the above 2) and 3) that is not the
>case in China. Please read the original message again:
[Deleted for brevity]
I don't quite get what you said above.  I have already said this kind
of thing has nothing to do with culture.  I guess no culture would 
tolerate such barbarious behave.(But I have learnt Japanese soldiers
barbecued human babies. Now in such cases people categorize it as
"atrocity".  How clever some civiled human beings are!  Anyway, that
is a sidetrack.)

As to what I meant by "sad", let me give you an anology.  Suppose there
is an invasion war.  It is expected that some number of people would
become collaborators (HanJian). After war, this kind of people would
be severely punished. Now you see, if there would be no war,  this kind
of people would just be decent law-observe citizens.  Don't you think
it is sad to see a war to turn some ordinary citizens to traitors ?
I feel sad to see a famine turns some human beings (though very very 
few) into cannibals.

-----------------

T.T.Wu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuxu@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Xudong Liu)
Subject: test
Originator: liuxu@secfs
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:14:32 GMT