HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quebec Condoms
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:11:54 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr2.230825.13309@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>Hmmm...wonder if McDonald's has trademarked `McShit'. I would love to
>include in my documents `UNIX is a trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories,
>Inc.  TeX is a trademark of the American Mathematical Society. McShit is
>a trademark of McDonald's Restaurants, Inc.' 

Darling, as an undergraduate I had the misfortune of being employed by McD's
in their (then) newly opened Edinurgh branch.  Instead of some interesting 
encounters with well-endowed scotsmen (Big-Macs ??) I got to serve burgers:-(
What a McShitty Experience.

Frankums.
______________________________________________________________________________
        This pink triangle was drawn \bi/ Francis Joseph Wells
An Englishman _abroad_ - vote S.N.P.  \/                    wells@hci.hw.ac.uk
Xref: sparky soc.motss:19503 rec.climbing:1276
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.climbing
Subject: Stonewall Climbers: Learn the Ropes Day
Keywords: gay, lesbian, and bisexual rockclimbing
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:18:20 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ



Stonewall Climbers, an international group for gay, lesbian and bisexual
rock and ice climbers, is hosting its fourth annual "Learn the Ropes Day"
in late April and early May at different sites across North America. It's
a chance for non-climbers to get a taste of rock climbing without having to
invest in ropes, harnesses and special shoes. The basics of climbing
and belaying technique will be covered, but mostly it will be a fun 
day outside.

Learn the Ropes Days are being organized in Boston, New Jersey/Pennsylvania,
Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, and Greensboro, N.C.

If you're interested in any of the "Learn the Ropes Days" trips, send 
me mail on P.S.Powledge@att.com, and I'll put you in touch with the 
local trip leader. Or you can get in touch with the Stonewall Climbers 
by writing to them at:

		Stonewall Climbers
		P. O. Box 445
		Boston, MA 02124 USA

-- 
				||| Polly Powledge
				||| Internet: P.S.Powledge@ATT.COM
				||| Uucp:     att!hrmso!psp
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 6 Apr 92 00:12:02 GMT
  <56897@cup.portal.com> <lwmj27q.jfh@netcom.com> <56924@cup.portal.com>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article 1265.3.15806.11 Re: Deletions
4/5/92 15:09 21/864 Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) sez:

>Maybe, but Portal is a flat-rate system. It doesn't cost you any
>more to read an hour's worth of news than 10 minutes worth of
>news.  You can quite reasonably complain that these morons are
>wasting your time, since Portal doesn't have "kill" files, but
>you *can't* argue that they're wasting your money.
 
>George D. Madison

Ah, but I log onto Portal via PC Pursuit, George.  Every penny/minute
I save not downloading homophobic nonsense is a penny/minute I can spend
PC Pursuiting elsewhere.  Therefore, these morons are wasting both
my time *and* my money.

Frank
From: MYERSG@BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: some questions about gay Paris
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:24:00 GMT


Hi! My name is Gregg Myers and I am a 20-year-old junior at Alfred University
in Alfred, NY. I was refered to this list by someone on Gaynet, who thought 
you might be able to help me out.

I will be going to France at the end of May this year. I would like to work, 
live, and study in Paris from mid-June to late August or September, in order 
to sharpen my languae skills and get a 'feel' for the place. In September I 
will start classes at the Paris Center for Critical Studies at the Sorbonne, 
and will remain in France until late summer of '93.

I was wondering if anyone knew anyone who might be able to offer me a job, a
place to stay for a modest sum (or nothing at all, i.e. in exchange for house-
work, child care, other part-time work), or better, both. Particularly, I am 
looking to be in a *_GAY or gay/bi "positive"_* job/home/area/etc. I have a 
working ability with French (I am studying at the intermediate college level) 
but I am by no means fluent; I would definitely prefer, though, to be in a 
french-speaking job---I need to develop my language ability! I have obtained 
all necessary work papers, etc. through CIEE (Council for International 
Educational Exchange). Employers should know that I am not taking a job away
from a French citizen, as the permit for me to work in France allows for a 
French student to work in the US.

I have experience in many vocations (from waitering to child care to valeting
to modelling to lawn-mowing to tutoring to writing [for _The New York Times_
and elsewhere] to cashiering to sales to house-care to office work to playing 
jazz trombone) --- I am flexible and intelligent (and, at the moment, quite 
desperate and somewhat broke) --- so I am willing to learn and will consider 
any position/offer. I will gladly (eagerly!) send a letter of introduction, 
references, and whatever else to any interested parties.

Also, I was wondering if anyone knew of any french gay magazines/ intellectual
jounals/ books/ etc---other than _Gai Pied Hebdo_!

Any tips or info would be greatly appreciated. Please pass this note on if
you think someone else might be interested.

Also, if there are any les/bi/gay people out there (especially students, but 
anyone) who plan or could plan to visit Europe this June or later in the year 
and might want a travel partner, I would like to do some travelling and am 
looking for possible company! Drop me a line, s'il vous plait!!!

Thank you, 

Gregg Myers
Brick 107
Alfred University
Alfred, NY 14802
(607) 871-3947

after May 18, messages can be forwarded to me from this address: 

789 S. Front Street
Philadelphia, PA 19147
(215) 334-5777
 
au revoir, et merci encore,
                                gregoire!
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Peoria (Was: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:29:19 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Apr14.151538.27352@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr14.134939.27661@queernet.org>
>rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr14.071133.12053@macc.wisc.edu>,
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>>(It's my home town, I figure I'm entitled to bash it. :-)
>
>>Finally... I can identify something that "played in Peoria"...
>
>That I have done, yes indeed.  But I prefer being identified
>as a someone rather than as a something!  :-)

Did I say "a something"?

Sorry, dear... make that "some Miss Thing"...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:08:12 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley):
> Admittedly I am a huge fan, and my 
> devotion to Madonna borders on the
> religious, but I dislike sanctimonious
> or judgemental attitudes when they
> are misplaced.

hmmm, the two sentences are definitely related.  next time, i would
use "and" rather than "but."
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Exercise (Was Re: anyone know anything about laundry?)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:55:36 GMT

In article <j7h0rgk@zola.esd.sgi.com> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:

>>but I loathe gym-type exercise. [...] Does anyone out there
>>have any suggestions for what I can do?
>
>Rollerblades, hon.  It's the new hip-trendy fag thing to
>do...


How about having energetic, raucous sex for 2 hours every evening?



FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: [COMMENT]:  Harlan Ellison
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Salt Lick, UT
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Apr 1992 23:38 MST  

Harlan Ellison - one of my multi-dimensional heros !
Xref: sparky soc.motss:19543 ca.politics:3368
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Rondel K. Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: It can *happen* in RHODE ISLAND [glb rights law]
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:04:48 GMT

***originally posted by jdl to gaynet@athena.mit.edu***

   The gay rights bill in Rhode Island has already gotten
farther this year than ever before, and we're holding our
breath waiting to see if the thing can maintain its momentum.
*
  In previous years, the influential and gay-friendly Chair
of the House Judiciary Committee, Jeffrey Teitz of Newport,
has always counseled us to accept a "half-loaf" bill covering
only credit and public accommodations, and wait till later
years for the bread-and-butter issues of housing and employment.
In our most recent near-miss, two years ago, it was just such
a half-loaf bill that was defeated on the House floor in a
tie vote.
*
  This year, however, with the skillful aid of our principal House
sponsor, Frank Gaschen, the House Judiciary Committee voted 9-1
to send the whole bill to the floor of the House. We expect a vote
in that chamber within a week or two.
*
  In the Senate, the situation is not so favorable. You may
remember that we were completely stymied last year when Thomas Lynch,
the homophobic Chair of Senate Judiciary, called a vote when all the
supporters of the bill, including its principal sponsor, were
out of town or out of the room. This year we have two enthusiastic
fresh(wo)man senators as principal sponsors, Senators Myrth York
and Rhoda Perry, working their butts off to make all the contacts
and get the bill through the committee process and the ensuing floor
debate. On the recommendation of Senator John Bevilacqua, Majority
Leader, we got the bill into Finance instead of Judiciary, where
we would have a marginally better lineup. Sen. Bevilacqua has
assured us that he would make use of his ex-officio vote on the
committee to support the bill when it came up. Today we had a
hearing in Senate Finance, just eight days after our performance
in House Judiciary. Christopher Burke, President of the RI Alliance
for L&G Civil Rights, remarked that it was a class act both times,
making the "Christo-fascists" on the other side of the issue
look like the rankest amateurs. Our position was helped considerably
by a very strong letter from the Governor, as well as one from the
Attorney General, both read before the committee today.
*
  Whatever success we have is due to the amazing amount of work
put in by: our previous VP for Lobbying & Campaigns, Michael Thompson;
our current VP for L&C, Julie Pell, member of a well-known political
family in the state, who has spoken to just about every one of the
150 members of the General Assembly; and Jim Stascavage, a newcomer
to the state, who has pitched in and coordinated all our contacts
with potential testifiers.
*
  Wish us luck!
                                                                   jdL

---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"We are the most powerful planet on Earth." -- Vice-President Dan Quayle
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: dieties & linguistics
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:20:28 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr17.010911.1034@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>gene ward smith speaks of the "great Dieties".  

This is what you get for talking to a linguist.

>gene also wonders how lavender the field of linguistics is.  my
>estimate - and i am not without relevant data, since i keep the
>outil (OUT In Linguistics) mailing list - is that we are about
>ten percent lavender.

Geez. Is there an Out in Math list? It doesn't seem like that
Out a field.



--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:02:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: batpad.muBwiB2w164w
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

I just got access to the Internet, a simple 2400 7E1 login with
Telnet.  I played around tonight on the After Five BBS for a while.
Pretty neat!


Where are some places that are favorite hangouts for GLB* folks?



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 03:52:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr12.005706.3189@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.200219.9089@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>
>>Yet to drown a group out by shouting, to refuse to listen to anyone, even  
>>if the message is the same... am I the only one that feels uncomfortable  
>>about this? Am I the only one that sees the same strategies used in the  
>>past against us?
>
>The KKK's platform has already been heard.  It does not warrant
>further patience.

Then don't listen, but understand that when you take steps to prevent
someone else from hearing what you have decided the shouldn't hear,
you take steps closer to the day when it happens to you.
I hope that when you experience it first hand, your understand.

Now that out of the way, I believe that anti-KKK forces have every right to
demonstrate their opposition.
I just think that there are times when its more valuable to isolate
such forces, and that there are times when direct confrontation gives them
exactly what they want.. publicity.
Caveat emptor.

LUX .. owen

-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 18:20:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr17.002729.13317@athena.mit.edu> 
max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
| gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
| > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

[Gene's and my memories of childhood lutefisk consumption deleted]

| Oh dear, nobody told me it was Scandinavian Hour on soc.motss.
| I don't have anything prepared for the talent show.  Maybe

No hambo demonstration?  Darn.

| you'd like some roast pork with red cabbage to wash away that
| oogie fish?

No thanks, but I *could* stand a little more of that aquavit.

Arne
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: John Varley (was Heinlein and sexism)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:49:25 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <19333@sybase.sybase.com>, black@lester.sybase.com
    (Christina Black [Chris]) writes:
[responding to someone's comments about John Varley's "Titan" series]
> For some very interesting stuff about gender, read some of his other
> stories -- "Options", from _Blue Champagne_, and "The Phantom of
> Kansas", (don't have an anthology name for that one in my head, sorry),
> and others.  Lots of stuff about what life would be like if sex changes
> were easy and reversible.  (Kind of heterocentric, though.)

I rather like Varley's "Ophiuchi Hotline" series of stories
which at least "The Phantom of Kansas" is from.  I rather
like that story myself.  It's in _The Persistance of Vision_
and it may be in a more recent collection as well.

Yes, they are rather heterocentric.

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Arnold Gum)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: How can you help?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:53:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


The topic of todays sermon is: How can I help?

1) If you'd like to help us in Colorado:

   a) Donations to EPOC (Equal Protection Ord. Colorado) are absolutely
      positively welcome and most appreciated since the fundies are
      terribly well funded (no pun intended) and are threatening to
      deposit nasty hate videos on peoples door steps and hit the TV
      stations (sigh).
   b) Endorsements for Equal Rights or against descrimination of any kind
      by significant people that we can reprint are most helpful (such as
      heads of big corporations, public officials, celebrities, etc, etc)


2) If you'd like to help in your own community:

   a) get active locally and politically to fight for equal rights
   b) debunk the myths when you can and if you're comfortable, come
      out so people can see that gays are REAL people, not hedonistic
      pedophiles.
   c) help people newly out or in the closet to feel comfortable about
      themselves and introduce them to the community (a few less suicides
      is a wonderful thing).
   d) stay informed and pass information along to your friends and stay
      active in the press to present the "other side"; a rational, 
      compassionate, human viewpoint of life in the real world.

Okay, that's my two cents sermon.  No, I'm not all of the above but then,
we all start somewhere; that's the important part.  Be a friend to lots of
people and let them like you as a person and help them understand that
sexual identity is not an issue.

-Arnold
__________________________________________________________________________
"Hate knows no barriers, not the color of your skin, your age, sex,
orientation, even the car that you drive.  No barriers except one, Love;
Love yourself and you will love others as well.  Love others, and they
will return that love with kindness."
-moi
__________________________________________________________________________

(Copyright 1992)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:41:25 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.225039.18521@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>>And if you topple over, you can always prostrate yourself.

>Doncha _hate_ it when people use "prostrate" instead of "prostate"?

Yep, lower'n planter's warts, eh?

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:25:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: (getting there)

rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
 >I never bought the theory "all Heinlein can write is Heinlein"  I admit
 >many of his characters are similar; 'engineer people' people who like to
 >tinker with their worlds.  And I agree that virtually all of his women
 >characters are a sandwich short of a picnic. Though I'd love to
 >defend him further, it's already been done.  Spider Robinson (who writes
 >bi characters, though no gay ones I can think of) wrote an essay called
 >Rah Rah R.A.H. that says it all.  I think it is in his short story
 >collection Melancholy Elephants.

Given Sandra's comment that Heinlein's women characters are 
less than terrific, I'm not sure what she means by the reference to
Spider Robinson's defense.  When I read that essay (I don't recall
which collection it's in) I hadn't read any Heinlein in years.  But
I thought that the nature of Robinson's defense was itself an
illustration of a kind of essential cluelessness about women that I
figured made Robinson feel the defense was necessary in the first
place. 

Ob. motss content:  It was Cory Kerens who loaned me her copy
of _Stranger in a Strange Land_ (but not the original uncut,
which hadn't yet been published).  She said she didn't like
Heinlein's approach to women characters but that there was
plenty to like in his books nonetheless, especially some of
the liberated sex.  By the time I'd read Heinlein the sex
didn't strike me as all that liberated, but I can see that
it might have seemed different fifteen years sooner.

As for the household word, I'm no sf maven.  Mixer?  Blender?
Chopper?  Spoon?  Lamp?  Staircase?

Mara [bewildered]

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:19:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr13.211908.3701
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <uBP6iB6w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us writes:
>[High school student uses computers to post to soc.motss and email other
> motssers, High School teachers spy on him.]
>What do you think?

I think it's fucking outrageous.

In an ideal world, you would be able to raise a complete ruckus about
this. Unfortunately, this would require that you come out to your high
school, a thing you might not be prepared to do.

If you're able to fight it, fight it. I doubt many people would
support the monitoring of private communication. It might even be
illegal, although that's unlikely - school equipment and all that.
Write a letter to the school paper. Become indignant - demand to know
why they thought they had the right to eavesdrop.

If you're not able to fight it, well the wonderful thing about high
school is that it ends. I know my high school was largely miserable,
and I couldn't wait to get out.

Good luck.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                        All things are true
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:08:44 GMT

> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:

>>My mother, Eileen, and Uncle, Eugene, have traditional
>>spellings. (Or at least I *think* they are traditional. After seeing
>>Eamonn's name, I'm not sure...)
>                                                          ,
>Irish.  I think that the Irish spelling of Eileen is Eidhlin, though
>don't quote me on that...
     ,
Eibhlin, I believe.  And the Sweeney part would be MacSuibhne,
or in your mother's case, NicSuibhne, though don't quote *me*
on that...
-- 
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