From: mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Joe Hack and Realilty Checks
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:52:11 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Let me preface this post by saying that I publicly retract most of the 
things I said about Joe Hack in a previous article. Let's just say that
recent events have convinced me that, sadly, Joe's perception of netheads
is a helluva lot closer to reality than I ever would have admitted before.

I still maintain that anybody who posts provocations is going to see a 
disorted reflection in the responses, and that posting provocations is a
pretty immature cry for attention, especially from somebody who really has
the potential for meaningful contributions.

But, that disorted reflection will have a higher reality quotient than
most of us are willing to admit. To pretend that it does not have any
relevance is self-deception.

The really sad part is that Joe didn't even strike at the root of the
hypocrisy, he just hit on the outer circles. It apparently gets worse
closer to the center, in a Dantesque manner.

There is a lot that is decent about this forum. I enjoy it a great deal,
'cause it's the best I've got; aside from some close taper friends, this
and the GDH, and an occasional show, is the extent of my contact with 
the scene. Such is life. I make it a point of tolerating diversity here
and elsewhere. That doesn't mean I won't complain about something I don't
like. It means I won't try to exclude it. I think killfiles are shit, for
example. 

So r.m.dg has it's little aggravations and intolerances. So fucking what.
Live with it, folks. Joe, have your fun, but don't shit on the band to do
it. I would urge all to stick with r.m.gd, and to come back soon if you've
left. But it ain't no religion, so don't act like it is. If you can't face
this, then in my opinion you're better off someplace else. 

bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>In a previous article, rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu () says:
>>Isn't it fun being in an experiment to prove that Dedheds can be hypocrites?
>>He's laughing, and laughing, and laughing........

>He's right, you know.  I am laughing, laughing, laughing..... :)

I wish I could laugh. Maybe someday.

>>Pece, and can't we learn to laugh at ol' Mr. Hack and what his life is missing?

>Yes, I give you permission to laugh at me too.  Everybody should laugh.
>Laugh at yourselves.

Better advice than it seems. Wish I could take it. Maybe later.

>>You'd think after this summer, last year, and the other timely episodes we'd
>>get the point.

>Are you kidding?  The whole reason I posted the first message is because I
>KNEW!!!!  Time after time after time after time, that you people never
>learn.  NEVER NEVER NEVER!  You will ALWAYS fall for the same old shit
>AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!
>Remember what I said before?  You people are so GULLIBLE! 

This is one area where I think you are wrong, Joe. It isn't gullibility.
It is a defensive response. Liking the Dead is an open door to mainstream
criticism, misunderstanding, and harrassment. It hurts when this intrudes
into a forum that people mistakenly assume is safe and friendly. 

>Realize your fate and accept it.

Those who stick around will, and will be stronger. Others will go deeper
still into self-delusion and deceit.

>Peace. :) :)

I wish.

And from a different Joe Hack special, Re: Joe Hack is Back (Nov 10)
Joe asks:

>>OK, I'll tell you.  There is only one chairman and that is Chairman Too of
>>the Diamondbacks. At least he has the balls to stay on the net.

>What the hell are you talking about?  Does anyone know what he is talking
>about?

Most every one here knows very well. Some may even agree about the "balls"

I do. Check an archive, or strike up a conversation with Steve, and be
enlightened.

Joe, you get to stay in my sig for this group, but for an entirely different
reason than you got there.

Matt

"Braindead individuals are incapable of accessing USENET." - Bruce Bufalini
"K e n only repeats phrases over unless they apply."       - K e n
                                                             psu.edu, naturally
"Some of you have really proven to be bigger scumbags than me" - Joseph Hack
                                                             more than he knows
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