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From: buckmr@vccsouth05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:35:41 GMT

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

>Mr. Jones I think for you to slander another person the way you did was not
>called for.  Mr. Leigh was just expressing the view held by many blacks who
>disagree with interracial dating and marriage.  I for one also disagree as you 
>can tell by my first letter( signed Mr. Hill).  But that is my own opinion 
>based on my experiences.  I have no quarrels with you marrying someone not
>black. It's your life and you love her, so who can argue with that.  I do have 
>a problem with blacks intentionally seeking an interracial relationship.
>	They do this by hanging out at all white bars and social events.  They
>cry that there are not enough decent (highly paid or educated) black men or
>women in society, so that is why they crossover.  But then they go ahead and
>contradict themselves by saying that they married outside their race because
>their spouses are human beings!!!!!!!

Well, THIS is a different situation. This refers to people who are selecting
partners by a single criteria of race. That, to me, is racist. [So,yes, I
think people who say that they will only date people of THEIR race, are also
racist.]

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Q. What's the difference between a conservative and a bigot?
A. A conservative attempts to defend his/her prejudices rationally.
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:12:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct16.164831.3580@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
............................. stuff deleted .......................
>BTW, one
>can still be educated, not flashy, geeky and still find black women to
>go out with...

This is true, but if you are a high-school-or-college-age so called "geek",
then you can expect to spend a lot of time alone, no matter what your color.
When the one brother wrote that the sisters at his school generally did not
see him a "boyfriend material", that reminded me of my own high school and
college years.  I was "friends" with several sisters, but that is as far as
it went, though not for any lack of effort on my part.  I was well liked,
but I was also generally considered "safe", and therefore not "boyfriend
material".  It got to the point where I would get really miffed when a young
woman would say, "You're not like all the other guys", which, roughly
translates to, "You would make a good platonic friend".  Believe me, at 19
a young man of any color has had his fill of "platonic".  So now you have
this "geeky" guy who is burdened with the love-life that a geeky guy is
subject to, and he meets a woman who _does_ see him as "boyfriend material".
She may be the same race as he, or she may not.  If she is not, are you
suggesting that he should "throw her back" on that account alone?

>There are many educated single black women out there...

This is true.

>Don't do black women a disservice by suggesting that they only like
>hoodlums.

Where was it stated or even implied that black women only like hoodlums?
I must have missed that post :-).

>Give them more respect than that. If we do not respect the
>black women who bore us, how can we respect ourselves?
>
>Nuff said,
>Femi.

Keith
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Magic Johnson vs George Bush?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:22:30 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


MAGIC WENT TO TWO MEETINGS:
   Magic Johnson says he attended two meetings - not one as
President Bush said in Sunday's presidential debate - before
resigning from the National Commission on AIDS. But Johnson's two
appearances were one more than all three members of the
president's Cabinet who have seats on the commission, said Carlton
Lee, chief liaison officer of the commission.

 
--
Peace.
                  "That was a stupid slip.  Nobody trusts a Greyhound rider."
                            - Kyle Baker, _Why I Hate Saturn_
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:42:05 GMT

In article cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>
>PS - I don't let Whites impose any sorts of racial "duties" upon me.  I'll be
>damned if I'll let another Black man or woman do so.  By far, racial "duties"
>usually seem to be of a kind with the type the David Duke applies to Whites.
>Sorry.  I'm not interested.
>
Exactly - and very, very true. If we can raise our sights to protecting our
SPECIES as opposed to single cultural groups, I think that will be a sign
that we have come into the heritage that so many of civil rights leaders and
idealists have been hoping for for the past half-century or more.

	Geoff Tuffli


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Carl part 3
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:37:52 GMT

Carl I really don't think that when people see you and your white partner
together that they see black and white.  They probably see two men
together, so I don't see your connection.  Of course you are going to see a
person for qualities other than his color.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Valerie M
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:10:24 GMT

	Hi, how are you doing? I tried to sent this by mail, but I'm not a
computer scieence major, so I don't know if it quite got there or not.  I 
just wanted to say thanks for supporting my opinion, not that I had any doubts
that a sister would not be for it.  It's kind of funny to see everyone who
is disagreeing with me happens to male.  To my astonishment, most of the black
guys around here seem to carry my philosophy.  You don't see alot of mixed
couples around here.  I'm sad to here that alot of the athletes at your school
are dating outside there race.  Don't get discourage ( even though I don't think
you are) there are more guys who think like me.  They happen to be my brothers
(smile) but there are some.
	Dr.....?....well the author of the book the Isis Papers spoke here last
year, she was wonderful.  I have a tape copy of a speech of hers, if you want
it I could mail it to you.  On one condition though, you have to send me the
book when you are done with it.  HEY......you can't get something for nothing,
and since we are not in a position to take each other out to dinner I guess I
have to settle for the book.  I hope I'm not affending(?) you or distorting
your image of me because I mean well.  So if you want the tape you can pick me
up at 7 o'clock (just kidding) you can mail me your address, and I will see if
I can find the tape for you. Well I have to go.  I am overdue on a bill, and I
have finally built up the nerve to tell my parents that I need more money. 
Wish me luck. Cee Ya!!!!!
			Chris Hill
From: jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:20:15 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <HANS.92Oct5155640@ravn.iesd.auc.dk>, hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
|> 
|> In article <BvGM7p.G0p@NCoast.ORG> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher
|> Morton) writes:
|> 
|> On a more serious note: What is the purpose of the U.S. criminal
|> system ?  Is it the prevention of recidivism ? The revenge of whoever
|> makes the laws against those perceived as criminals ? As far as I, a
|> naive European who has only visited the United States once, the latter
|> seems to be the case. Not that we are better off on this side of the
|> Atlantic (see below).

I think you'll find that *many* (if not most) Americans feel revenge is
a quite valid reason for the death penalty. (I am a US citizen, so I
feel justified in tossing in my US$0.02). And it really doesn't matter
if innocents are killed. The attitude is: if you are arrested, even for
the wrong crime and convicted, you probably did something else anyway, else
you wouldn't have been arrested at all.

Note: I'm not saying ALL Americans -- just enough feel this way. It is the
Law of the West you know. Shoot first, then ask questions.
 
There was a recent documentary on the BBC (not a right-wing think tank to
be sure) that documented some of these attitudes in its interviews.

|> I would urge anyone in favour of the death penalty to think of the
|> British cases of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six. As we all
|> know now, these 10 people were innocent and had been framed by police
|> officers seeking promotion. After the appalling IRA pub bombings in
|> 1974 there was widespread support for the idea of reintroducing the
|> death penalty in the UK. If the death penalty had been reintroduced,
|> ten innocent people would have lost their lives. It was only because
|> of British TV that the truth was eventually accepted.
|> 
|> Is that really the sort of risk we are willing to take ?
|> 
As we say in the US South -- Yep. %-( 
|> 
|> - Hans
|> --
|> Hans H{\"u}ttel                          - hans@iesd.auc.dk  
|> Mathematics and Computer Science
|> Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajersvej 7E,
|> 9220 Aalborg, DENMARK                     Ad slagne veje ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: LOVEgod
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:52:52 GMT

In article <4165.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)   
writes:
} DAA>Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
} 
} DAA>I agree with you.  Black people should leave White people alone!  In the
} DAA>Gay community, you see White couples and you see Mixed couples.  Blacks
} DAA>ones are VERY rare.
} 
} I can't believe this. Why's that?

"White Is Right" and "Black, Get Back".  That's why.

} My mother is white and my father is black. This is the first problem for
} the oh-so-well-defined world of some of you: Am I black or white? Am I a
} wanna-be? If so, what kind? Or am I just an Oreo? So much for the black
} racism discussion.

I don't know what you look like.  If you look Black, then you ARE Black.

} There are just too many cute white guys around.

Then why mess aroung with *shudders* Black Men?  You're proving my point.

} DAA>Why do you think that is?  It's because some of us Blacks still
} DAA>think that "White Is Right" and "Black, Get Back".  It's the truth!
} 
} What is the truth here? Was that a Freudian slip?

No slip.  Why do you think that so many successful Black Men flock to white  
women?

} DAA>I'm proud to be Black
} 
} Why? You happen to be black, you are in no way responsible for that, nor
} did you achieve that. You can be proud of your own achievements, but not
} of something which you had nothing to do with. Same as being proud of
} being gay. I could go for "A proud Black" or "A proud Gay"! This is
} something different. Don't mix self-esteem with skin color, sexual
} orientation, nation, nose shape or dick size!

No, dear.  Just because you're Black doesn't mean you're automatically proud to  
be Black.  Some Blacks will hate themselves and all their plastic surgery until  
the day they die.  I love myself as a proud Black Gay man.  It wasn't always  
that way.

} DAA>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African
}              ^^^^^^
} Read again my statements to inferiority complex.

No inferiority complex here, Carl.  For those who do not understand the term  
"Nigger Stompin' African", listen to the song "People Everyday" by Arrested  
Development (the unedited version).

We have to communicate.  That's the only way we'll come to understand one  
another.  If we don't, will Black Unity every be realized?

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
From: sue@seada.com (Sue Raul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Venues for African Plays
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:39:11 GMT
Organization: Software Enginerring and Design Associates

In article <Oct.5.14.49.14.1992.19258@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu> writes:
>
>Kabu Okai-Davies, a playwright from Ghana, is sitting next to me in my office
>right now, and wants to know venues for scripts about Africa and African-
>American experience.  In August I attended "In Another Man's Name," his
>brilliant play about being a Ghanaian in Newark.  The play highlighted
>conflicts and resolutions between Africans and African Americans.  It was
>performed by an ensemble group out our Symphony Hall.   It is a play that
>people in many other locations would enjoy seeing.  But networks for plays
>of this sort are not established as they are for many 'home-grown' scripts.
>Kabu has strong support from Baraka and other playwrights in the NY region.
>Do any of you know of ways that he could bring his material to the attention
>of producers and directors elsewhere?  And not only his plays, but the
>plays of many of his African compatriates?
>
>Since he does not have an email account now, you may write to him at
>
>   P. O. Box 943
>   Orange, NJ 07051
>   201-642-0133 office; 201-783-3059 (home)
>
>Or if you prefer, reply to me and I will get your message to him.
>
>Long live Africa!
>
>-- 
>  ==========================================================================
>  Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102
>  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
>                            Closets are for prayer!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: "Lloyd T Jones" <tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:21:15 -0500

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>What Might Be Called 'Cultural Differences':

>We as Blacks and Whites share some common history.  We were the slaves and they  
>were the masters.  OUR women warmed their beds while their women stayed up all  
>night quilting yet another bedspread.  Who do you translate this to your mixed  
>child?  Or do you just ignore the hard truth and just say "Can't We All Just  
>Get Along?"  

>} There is only one race: human.

>Don't believe the hype.  If you've just carelessly thrown your Black identity  
>to the wind, that is a personal problem.  But DO NOT try to tell me that we are  
>all just people because in this country we have people and we have "better"  
>people.  I did not make it that way, and I DON'T accept it!  I won't accept it  
>for anyone!

>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African

    Who said I'm throwing anything away?  Marrying a White makes me less Black?
How about an Asian, or Indian?  Does marrying a Black make one more Black?  Does
the White person become more Black by marrying Black?  Does this sound logical?
    My children have had no truths hidden from them or sugar-coated.  They are
aware of their past, Black and White.  And slavery was shameful.  However, I don't
think Whites were the only ones to practice it.  In fact, it was mostly Blacks in
Africa that sold other Blacks into slavery.  Should we hate those tribes, if we
can find out who they were?
    I fail to see where you got the "better" out of my post. I don't accept it and
no one else should either.  As for the "hype", as you so eloquently put it, I
believe that each individual should be judged as an individual; as a human being.
If they prove to be otherwise, then I'll deal with it.  However, I refuse to 
write off whole groups of people unknown to me based on skin color or the sins
of their forebearers.  Yes there is prejudice and racial wrong doing all over 
the world.  And narrow mindedness.  The most irritating narrow mind is one, that
claims to be one of your 'own', but really wants to dictate how you should view
the world.  "If you don't agree with me, you're not as (Black-White-conservative-
liberal-what-ever-bullshit-you-want) as I am."  No thanks.  Negative thinking 
won't help.  I choose to be above all else, a human being.  Sometimes it's very 
hard to do this, but I find hate to be a much bigger drain of what precious 
little time and energy we have in this life.  We can't forget or change the past, 
but let us learn from it, not continue to re-live it. Work for real change and 
look for other humans.  There's a lot of us out here...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair)
Subject: Re: David: Interracial Dating
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.103658.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>I have to agree.  Most black women, that I have encountered, want the
>stereotypical "black man." 
What is the stereotypical "black man".  I am tired of brothers talking about
how the majority of black women say "whatcha got", "where you work", and "what
are you gonna do fo' me".  This is all irrevelant.  I am not like this, and I
know plenty of sisters who are not.  I enjoy sunrises, concerts in the park,
and other things.  Why do brothers continue this thing about black women being
money hungry, and wanting a strong man.  I want and have someone who is going
to treat me with respect.  I don't mind going dutch.  I don't mind having my
boyfriend telling me he loves me.  As a matter of fact, to me, that's enough.
Enough said...

 Like you, I listen to a gamut of music: rap, R&B,
>jazz(my favorite), and reggae. 

I love Harry Connick Jr., BDP, and PE.  How's that for diversity?

>	There was a time when I was a product of the street.   Swearing all the
>time and wearing all the latest urban fashions seemed to be my style.  That was
>maybe 5-6 years ago. I am now 22.  I'm just to old to carry myself in such a
>manner now.  Why can't people see that?  

I am also a product of the street, but I never carried myself in that manner.
What does one environment have to do with acting a certain way.  I go to school
with African American students who come from upper middle class homes, went to
private "exclusive" schools and are the most "ALLY" (like ally cat) people I
have met.  A friend told me once that I act like I came from a good
neighborhood.  I had to correct him by telling him NOT. Just because you come
from the streets doesn't mean that behavior is expected of you.  However, there
is a time and a place for everything.
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: LOVEgod
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

DAA>Subject: Re: Interracial Dating

DAA>I agree with you.  Black people should leave White people alone!  In the Ga
DAA>community, you see White couples and you see Mixed couples.  Blacks one are
DAA>VERY rare.

I can't believe this. Why's that?
I have to get personal now and tell something about myself. If you
suffer from homophobia, white-o-phobia or any other social diseases,
stop reading NOW!

My mother is white and my father is black. This is the first problem for
the oh-so-well-defined world of some of you: Am I black or white? Am I a
wanna-be? If so, what kind? Or am I just an Oreo? So much for the black
racism discussion.
I grew up in a complete white society. Again, am I truly black or truly
white or what? Where is my place im your picture of the world? Or is it
more convenient to ignore my existence? Just like Republicans like to
ignore the existence of Gays.
As you might conclude from above, I always dated white guys. There were
no other. I would even be a little afraid of the very seldom met black
gays. Then I came here with all those Blacks. Wow! It was and still is
great for me. I extended my interests to AfAm's, but did not limit them
to Blacks. There are just too many cute white guys around. Though I find
myself restricting to the blacks, because they tend to have a deeper
understanding of discrimination issues. But the reason is NOT the skin
color. Love sees no colors and comes in many colors! Ever heard "White
Boys" form the musical "Hair"?
Well, I'm gay, but exactly the same thing is applicable to heterosexual
dating.

DAA>Why do you think that is?  It's because some of us Blacks still
DAA>think that "White Is Right" and "Black, Get Back".  It's the truth!

What is the truth here? Was that a Freudian slip?

DAA>I'm proud to be Black

Why? You happen to be black, you are in no way responsible for that, nor
did you achieve that. You can be proud of your own achievements, but not
of something which you had nothing to do with. Same as being proud of
being gay. I could go for "A proud Black" or "A proud Gay"! This is
something different. Don't mix self-esteem with skin color, sexual
orientation, nation, nose shape or dick size!

DAA>would really have to be deeply in love with a White man, and I better be
DAA>convinced that he feels the same way.  Furthermore, I have to be respected

This goes for all relationships. You don't have to put "White" in there
and could put "woman" for "man". And goes vice versa!

DAA>Black man.  I really don't think that such a White person exists ...

Prejudice. I met some. In fact, some of my best friends are white :-)

DAA>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African
             ^^^^^^
Read again my statements to inferiority complex.


Kiss and a hug (still), Carl.


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Just TQ2BSTR8 !
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Human Unity
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

DAA>In article <4196.117.uupcb#travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurc
DAA>writes:
DAA>} Because they see it as sign that they have "made it". BUT, there are
DAA>} also other Blacks dating Whites (and vice versa), where this does not
DAA>} apply. LOVE is the reason (revolutionary concept, as Jones posted it
DAA>} earlier, isn't it?)

DAA>Okay, now which is the rule and which is the exception?

The question is: What is desirable?

DAA>} Would it be too bold to put "Human Unity" instead? (Just trying...)

DAA>I appreciate your tries, but I feel that we as Blacks have to get our house
DAA>order first, before we can just "Unite" with the White world.

You cannot separate that. Do you want to build an "African American
Nation" first? The leaders of this homeland would then negotiate with
the leaders of the "United Milkland States"? Nonono.

Start with your surrounding and try to see Whites as human beings and
not as Whites. I know, easier said then done, but try. Were you never
attracted by a white male? Just curious.

DAA>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!

Got the CD, read the lyrics, still disagree. For a different reason. As
far as I've understood, this song disses the "Nigga" brothers, which are
different from the "Good Blacks". Sounds all too familiar.
It's not that I support macho behaviour, assholes come in all colors,
too, but do not make the same mistake again. Do not stereotype. And,
what bugs me the most, don't use the White man's name calling. WE don't
have to take over everything of the White man.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * There's more love than money changing hands