Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:36:41 GMT

In article <lds2chINNj7o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <92Oct15.142435edt.107@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
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>>concern is the food supply ..., but in secret he was on Jiang's direct
>>order to ship every moveable valuable things to Taiwan and blow up the
>>rest, he wasn't even serious about defending the city.  By the time he
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>It doesn't look Tang's troops blew up the rest of Shanghai. All people
>can see of Shanghai today was left over as that of 40 years ago.

well, once he hopped on the plane himself, only the truly loyal and
the truly stupid continued to carry out their fearless commander's
orders.  What I mean is he ordered to blow up the infastructure such
as power stations, water pumps, big factories, ...  part of it was
carried out, the plan was looking great on paper, but little was carried
out in the retreating confusion.  The KMT air force had to visit Shanghai
frequently in the next couple of years to do some additional damage to 
some non-military infastructures of the city.   

>Even the Shanghai airport was still that old. Oh, correction, a part
>of new addition was completed in August 1992 after 43 years under CCP.
>And the horse racing field was changed to be PEOPLE's PARK.
>See, how great CCP management is!
>
the airport you mentioned is not the same airport used before by KMT.  
I am not arguing here how great CCP management is, I am here to tell
you how much "Commander Tang" was loved by Shanghainese people.  

>So, the damaged marks in the streets close to Huang-pu River (wai tan)
>must be left by Tang's troops, not RED GUARDS, hunh? And the damaged
>marks at Ling-Yin-Shi of Hangchow must be left by Tang's troops, not
>by READ GUARDs. :-) Godsh, Tang must not be a Buddist, hate Buddism.

Gee, I can't find any marks left by the Japanese fire-bombing of the
old city district during wino-Japanese war either, the Japanese are
right, they committed no crime in China.  

And by the way, Tang sold out his mentor-old boss General Chen Yi, former
(deputy?) premier, then governor of ZeJiang to Jiang and had him executed 
right there in HangZhou, based on some "suspection" of communication with
the CCP  to prove his supreme loyalty to his academy headmaster, and to scare
of would be defectors from the crumbling KMT ranks at the time -- remember
it was never established by either party that Chen Yi was trying to "rebel"
or "uprise" against Jiang, the party elder lost his head in a "Sha Ji Jin Ho"
attempt.  You are right, Tang's no buddaist.  
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>>done his duty to ship everything he could find, he hopped on a plane and
>>deserted the defending troops.  
>
>Humm! I saw the same street patterns in Taipei. Chiang must have shipped
>some streets from Shanghai to Taipei. See the First Department Store!
>Just right outside the store building, there is a pedestrian overhead
>bridge both at Shanghai and Taipei store. What a surprise!
>
No, Jiang's too smart to move buildings, Gold was his first priority,
remember in 1948 his son's economic reform of exchanging waste paper money
for "big & small yellow fish" in Shanghai?  And Tang of course, shipped
everything.  After decades of war the entire country was totally broke,
but did you ever wonder where the gold reserve of China was kept?  
When it became shipping the his troops or his gold, Jiang and his surrogates
left hundreds of thoudsands of his fighting men behind.  


>I believe the old day Shanghai prosperity has moved to Hong Kong. May be 

that's 'cause most rich businessmen were fed up with the KMT and afraid of
the CCP, one of the two conned them a lot of gold with tons of paper,  and 
the other will simply confiscate rest of their valuables, so they decided 
to let the British to be their ruler.  

>after 1997 the prosperous Hong Kong will disappear forever, and may we
>wish to ship prosperity back to Shanghai again. :-)  
>
Of course, then explain why Hong Kong is booming as 97 approaches?   
it seems to me that the trend is going the wrong way.  

>TIers try hard to claim that Chiang ordered to ship all food, rice from
>Taiwan to Shanghai. CCP supporters claim that Chiang shipped everything
>to Taiwan. Taiwan must have a lot of junk. 

I doubt Tang's troops consumed that much food & rice in 3 weeks dear,
and the province of Taiwan did recieve the full payment in gold(at least
in a way).  
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>TIers and CCP supporters seem to have something in common. They must
>have shared "WEIRD" parts.
>
What makes you think I am a CCP supporter?  did I praise the CCP here in
anyway?  are you going to take out your random name generator to spit 
out "CCP running dog", "commie pinko", "red pepper", "simple minded 
mainlander"... now?  
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