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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!)
Subject: Re: Manute Bol
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:22:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.013920.18889@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.133040.3121@peanut>, niceswangern@bvc.edu writes:
>
>
>|> > But it is with great uphoria (I had to try to spell this, am I close?)
>|> > that I report that the sixers finally have a dominating center. NUTE!!!
>|> > 
>|> Funny you mentioned this.  When Philly played at Chicago last month, I 
>|> watched the game on WGN.  On the pre-game show the mega-prejudiced Bulls 
>|> announcers were talking about how the game should be a cakewalk for the 
>|> Bulls, as well as the fact that Manute Bol was in the lineup for "comic 
>|> relief".  The only credit they gave to the Sixers was to Hornacek and 
>|> Hawkins - not for their supreme talent, but because they're originally from 
>|> Illinois.  Boy was I glad when Philly won the game!
>|> 
>|> Getting back to Manute, that was one of the first games where he actually 
>|> got some playing time.  He played some great defense, and since that time 
>|> has become a strong rebounder/shot blocker and even scores once in awhile.  
>|> I don't see him leading the 76ers to a 50-win season next year, but he is 
>|> certainly underrated.
>|> 
>|> > 15 Rebounds the other night. He actually scored in on of the other games,
>|> > and yes he did get an assist! 
>|> > 
>
>Actually, it has been rumored around here for a few weeks that Don Nelson
>was interested in reacquiring Bol for the Warriors.  Nelson is a big
>fan of Bol's game, and Bol would certainly be the shot-blocking
>presence the Warriors need.  The biggest obstacle is the salary cap.
>Bol's salary is over a $1 million and the Warriors are about $1.5 million
>over the cap.  To acquire Bol, Philadelphia would have to accept in
>exchange a player making at least what Bol is making.  Alton Lister
>would be perfect, but it is doubtful that the Sixers would take Lister,
>and the Warriors don't want to give up anyone else making that kind
>of salary.
>
>					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU

I would not be against this trade if the sixers got some first rounders
in there. Lister is almost done as a player and the only reason the 
76ers would take him is the salary cap provisions. If the Warriors are willing
to part with a 1 in addition to lister I would take this in a hart beat.

-- 
Luke

	"I don't feel so good."	
				Last words of Luther Burbank
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Protesting NBA Games
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:18:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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This is the most boneheaded, childish idea yet.  Let's face it, the refs
make a hundred bad calls in the course of an NBA game in favor of one team
or another; one call DOES NOT DETERMINE THE COURSE OF A GAME!  If we start
reversing refs calls on the floor, we open a veritible Pandora's Box.  You'll
have people protesting 10-second no-calls, every offensive foul will be
protested by the offending team, etc.

Sure, the 6-man no-call was at the end of the game.  I think it was a good
no-call, but it should stand regardless.  I'm sure there was an equally bad
call made against San Antonio moments before. ;)

Mike
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From: mr27092@macbeth.fmrco.uu.uunet (David Hayes)
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Organization: [deleted]
	<1993Jan4.164703.23618@viewlogic.com> <1ia165INNfv0@news.aero.org>
	<1993Jan4.203526.4709@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:56:51 GMT


tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>> ........but what I really
>> want from an announcer is a description of the game and what's going on
>> and who's doing what on the court an descriptions of the players and plays.
>> Most wasn't that good at that.

that's why Celtic/Most fans watched the TV broadcast and listened to johnny !!
it often seemed like two very different games but you couldn't help but get
caught up in johnny's emotion even if you disagreed w/ him.  the call of the
ainge/tree rollins incident and the parrish/laimbeer 'slugfest' were classic
johnny.  he will be missed.

        --dph.

BTW: johnny always admitted that he was <heavily> biased.  he said it
        would be impossible for him to travel with the team for so long
        and NOT root for them.
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From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:04:13 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
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In article <4JAN199312593920@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:
|
|Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.   Magic's baby hook was in the 4th game of the '87
|series.  Of course the little hook was sandwiched between two great shots
|by Bird; the first of which he made and the second of which he missed, but
|he really had balls to always take the big shot.

OK, OK, so I fucked up catastrophically. I don't claim to have an overabundance
of brain cells left. So eat me.  :-)

At least you could have said something about my comments on Most.

			R.S.
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Benoit Benjamin (was Re: Doug Christie)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:09:02 GMT

In article <1ilc6qINNi18@sumax.seattleu.edu> davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:

>>been declining, and Karl hates him (reminds him too much of J.B. Carroll),
>	              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Where do you hear this? It hasn't appeared in the local media, not even
>as a rumor. Karl always praises Benjamin's practice habits and attitude when
>asked. But he does hint that Benjamin's skills are not a good fit for his
>system, which is why he isn't playing. The reason I feel Karl is being honest
>on this is that Benjamin's agent, and Benjamin himself, have made no smoke
>or complaints, which wouldn't be expected if Karl was bashing Benjamin.
>Benjamin is said to do everything Karl asks, and Karl even praised the way
>Benjamin stays after practices for extra instruction.  I attribute the 
>lack of playing time to Karl's love of small ball and small lineups, but that's
>another topic altogether. Certainly, had Karl been the coach two years ago,
>the Benjamin trade would not have been made.

     Yes, Benjamin might be in a situation similar to Polynice last year
with the Clippers:  new coach, Larry Brown, who likes motion offense
and requires that all players be able to move with and without the ball,
and catch it, and pass it.  The last two were the ones that disqualified
Polynice, (he's my nominee for the worst hands in the league) and he 
basically sat on the bench while James Edwards and
Charles Smith became the Clipper centers.  (Ironically enough, all 3 players
are now gone from the Clippers.)
     Benjamin is willing enough to try to pass the ball, it's just that
half of his passes go to the wrong team.  
     I don't know if it's this or more lack of speed and quickness that
causes Benjamin not to fit in with Karl's.  Could be lack of 
defensive quickness; Karl's players have to constantly scramble to 
rotate and pick up other players, and a player like Benjamin could 
often be a step slow or get victimized by mismatches.
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From: mr27092@macbeth.fmrco.uu.uunet (David Hayes)
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Organization: [deleted]
	<1992Dec30.221708.21896@ll.mit.edu>
	<1993Jan2.183905.22101@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1993Jan4.205528.13553@abo.fi>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:12:57 GMT


MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF):
>> I was waiting for this sort of thing to reappear. Don't forget that
>> Russell & co. annihilated the opposition back in Melbourne in 1956, yet the
>> amateurs lost to the Soviets sixteen years later. Sure, the 1996 
>> Olympic basketball tournament will be rather one-sided but I expect the 
>> best European & Latin American teams to perform far better than they did 
>> in Barcelona. The only way to go is up.

yet the amateurs lost to the Soviets sixteen years later (1972)  HAH !!

the record may show an 'L' for the US team, but they most definitely did
not lose to the Soviets.  that game is the most egregious ream-job in
sports history.

        "game's over US wins"
        "oops, there's two seconds left and its Soviet ball"
        "game's over US wins"
        "oops, there's two MORE seconds left and its Soviet ball"
        "Soviet's win"

please.

my apologies to anyone who thought this post would in any way resemble
the Subject:   :)
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From: cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (chang hsu liu)
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:35:34 GMT

I'd like to add more questions:

1) Does tipin count as one rebound too? If it doesn't go in,
and the player tip 3 times more to get it in, will it be counted
as three more rebounds?

2) How does people count the assist? If the guard passed a beautiful
ball to the center but the center didn't make it, wil it be counted
as one assist. I gues no. How about the situation that the same 
center get fouled and he make both? What if he make none? Will it
still count as no assist? It's not fair to me if count as none. 
What if he make just one instead of two?

As for Steve's questions:

1) When a shot is blocked, does it count as a Field Goal Attempt?
Yes

3) Do blocked shots and steals count as turnovers. If not, what does
constitute a turnover.

If the ball doesn't touch the board on offense but go back to the
defense end, it's counted as turnovers. So, it depends on whether
the blocked shots and steals happens before or after the ball touches
the board first. I may be wrong, though.

Peter Liu
cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois)
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:42:11 GMT

dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.135101.2577@inland.com>, bloom@inland.com writes...
>>In article <1993Jan4.233105.19178@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>>> 
>>> So, what are we arguing about?  The rest of the Bulls (minus maybe Pippen)
>>> are a bunch of average players.  End of discussion.  
>> 
>>What's the maybe about Pippen?  Chuck Daly has said that Jordan and 
>>Pippen are 2 of the best 5 players in the NBA.  Other NBA coaches, 
>>not with Chicago, have been quoted as saying they are #1 & #2 in the 

>That is the biggest crock I have ever heard.  I would take at least 10
>players ahead of Pippen including Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Daughtery, Malone,
>Barkely, Stockton, Alujuwan (I know I butchered that one), Hardaway,
>Drexler and KJ.  There is no way that any of the teams these guys play for

I dont know about those last three.

>would trade straight up for Pippen and Chicago would trade straight up for
>most of these guys in a heartbeat.

KJ over Pippen?  Nah.  Hardaway over Pippen? Nah.  Drexler over Pippen?
Maybe, but nah, Drex is too old.  Stockton?  Maybe.

And _NO WAY_ would I take Moses Malone over Pippen!  :)

-Dan
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: JJ (Was: Re: how bad is Dallas?)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:01:14 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1993Jan6.154419.28244@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller) writes:
|> From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
|> Subject: Re: JJ (Was: Re: how bad is Dallas?)
|> Date: 6 Jan 93 15:44:19 GMT
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan6.151147.4629@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan6.142020.15322@unislc.uucp> rgh@unislc.UUCP (Rich Hannon,D1Z01,6628) writes:
|> >>Now, consider this interesting scenario... Jim Jackson refuses to sign
|> >>with Dallas so he says he will make himself eligible for next year's
|> >>draft. 
|> >
|> >Re JJ:  The Orlando Sentinel reported that he had registered for classes for
|> >the spring semester at tOSU.  Any truth to this rumor?
|> >
|> >
|> >(obl. trade offer: I'll give you:
|> >
|> >Jeff Turner (former Olympic Gold Medal winner, great fg% !!)
|> 	JJ is in fact enrolled in classes here at OSU. Last week charges 
|> 	were brought up against him for waiving a pistol at a group of teenagers
|> 	and using obscene language at a stop light.

How about a trade offer from the Bullets, since he seems to like guns
so much.

How about Grant & Chapman for JJ? Grant is a well established F who 
can score, and Chapman is young and has good potential and can score.

JJ would fill in at SG, and the Bullets can use Bernard, MaClean, and
Buck Johnson at SF.

Sound even? Dallas gets two good established Pros, and the Bullets get 
a player that has all-star *potential* (and likes waving guns :-))

Ron


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From: cheese@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Charles Alpert)
Subject: the Seattle/Pheonix game
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:36:47 GMT

I thought the game was supposed to be on TNT tonight, but
I checked my local listings and found out otherwise.  Anyone
know the scoop?  Someone else posted earlier that Barkley went
on IR?  I've heard nothing.  Any details will be much appreciated.

Much obliged,
Chuck Alpert ------ cheese@cs.ucla.edu
From: davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Life after LA (was: Alaa is playing in Boston!!!)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:03:52 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

In article <1993Jan07.212648.23332@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>In article <C0HLnA.66w@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>> >
>> 
>> Mychal is a broadcaster now?  He seemed like an
>> honorable fellow; how's he doing in his new life?
>
>Pretty well, I think. He's knows his hoops -- obviously --
>and communicates his knowledge in an engaging manner.
>He's definitely a wit.
>
>Mychal rotates the color chair with Jack Sikma and Wally
>Walker. As near as I can tell, Walker does the road games
>and the other two split the home games. I don't know 
>why there's such an unusual arrangement, but I kind of
>enjoy the different perspectives.
>
>Paul
>
>




	I like Mychal Thompson a great deal- I wouldn't mind if they hired him
exclusively to do the color for the Sonics, but he appears to do only the
home games. Wally Walker is pretty solid too, I expected to dislike him but
he was good and made a lot of good comments. Unfortunately, Jack Sikma is no
All-Star behind the mike as he was on the court. He's better than he was early
on, when I felt him awful, but he's still not too good. Not too many insightful
comments, and he's not smooth behind the mike. I mean, a lot of hesitation,
"uhs," and stuff like that. Mychal Thompson sounds like a natural commentator,
and Walker is solid and professional.






				David L. Yee
			email to:davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: rstewart@megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers are in Trouble
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:09:06 GMT
Reply-To: rstewart@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1ia003INNfr7@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.193405.9567@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
>|
>|    I don't think there is much Jerry can do, there isn't a GM
>|    inclined to deal with him and rightly so.
>
>Probably true, and unfortunate. It seems that other GMs get wary whenever
>West wants to deal with them. Whoever West mentions as his interest suddenly
>becomes "untouchable" or "our rising star" or "our future" or "y'know, we were
>just about to take a serious look at him". Truth is, most other GM's probably
>dont know their own players as well as West does. I think West ought to start
>a campaign of dis-information, maybe make a serious offer for Tim Kempton or
>some klutz like that, just to see how far he can yank some other GM's chain   :-) :-)
....
>			R.S.

Remember Sherman Douglas :-)
-- 
  rstewart@megatek.com
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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (I Spike - Therefore I Am)
Subject: Re: was Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:20:53 GMT

koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

>No it's true.  Paxon's their best shooter (other than Jordan) - so what.
>How much offense does he account for - 10-15%?  WHat do Jordan/Pippen
>account for - 50-60%?  How does Paxon being off effect the Bulls compared
>to those other two?  He's negligable.

you're only talking offense here.  his defense is not negligable. 

>Both are true. 1 - He's not the Bulls problem and 2 - he's a defensive
>liability against quick point guards.  Paxon has it easy out East where they
>dominate up front.  He doesn't play Stock, Hardaway, Porter, KJ, that little
>guy on Seattle, ... night in and night out.  He's got Price to worry about
>and that's pretty much it.

true, but he still played good against these guys last year.  but don't
forget about Kenny Anderson and Isiah Thomas.

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From: jcoryell@nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Warriors big men
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: MI
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:11:00 GMT

In article <57521@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Billys first big problem is simple, he is and has been since the trade
>playing out of position. Billy is a small forward who can swing to 2 guard
>every now and then, he is not and never will be a power forward. How come
>he cant guard Larry Johnson(which Nellie made a big stink about after the 
>Charlotte game a few weeks ago), because Larry is too strong for him as
>is Barkley and Thorpe etc. However as long as Mullin is at forward and
>Sprewell/Sarunas at 2 guard, they are forced to play Billy out of position.

About six months ago, I suggested trading Mullin to the T-Wolves for
Laettner, and an exchange of next year's #1s.  It's still too early
to say that Laettner will be an NBA superstar, but he has played very
well, including at center, which was not supposed to be possible in
the NBA.  As I agree about Owens playing out of position, I still think
the Warriors would, however, have gotten a lot out of this, though it
would have required Nelson rework his theories about a dominant big
man.  Still, a lineup of Hardaway-Sprewell-Owens-Houston-Laettner,
besides being young, still sounds rather appealing; it would never
happen, though.

John Coryell.
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From: joe@trdlnk.uucp (Joe Panfil)
Subject: Paxson sucks (not)
Organization: TradeLink Corp.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:54:18 GMT

Paxson is a great player and person. His work ethic is solid making him a
very consistant player. Jordon can dump the ball off to anyone but it's up 
to that person to put the ball in the basket. Recently Sports channel (here
in Chicago) rebroadcast the Championship games against the Lakers. I was 
amazed when I saw how great Paxson played. (It was no average performance.)
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Life after LA (was: Alaa is playing in Boston!!!)
Date: 07 Jan 93 21:26:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Mychal at the mike

In article <C0HLnA.66w@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
> >
> 
> Mychal is a broadcaster now?  He seemed like an
> honorable fellow; how's he doing in his new life?

Pretty well, I think. He's knows his hoops -- obviously --
and communicates his knowledge in an engaging manner.
He's definitely a wit.

Mychal rotates the color chair with Jack Sikma and Wally
Walker. As near as I can tell, Walker does the road games
and the other two split the home games. I don't know 
why there's such an unusual arrangement, but I kind of
enjoy the different perspectives.

Paul



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From: cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:07:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <OLIVER.93Jan11025318@ballard1.mit.edu>,
oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>An assist can only be given for a made field goal attempt.  I don't have
>the exact wording, but the general idea is that the shot must be taken as a
>continuation of the pass, i.e., if someone dribbles around or makes a bunch
>of head fakes before scoring, you don't get an assist.

I believe the exact wording has something to do with "immediate move
to score."  Thus, if you get a defensive rebound and pass to a
teammate at midcourt, who then dribbles in 45 feet all alone for the
dunk/layup, I think you get an assist for that, in spite of 45 feet
of dribbling.

(Along similar lines, if somebody catches up to him and fouls him in
that situation, I think it's a shooting foul because of the "clear
path to the basket" rule.  I'm not certain about this, though.)

The rules *ought* to be available somewhere.  Anybody have any
ideas?

Tony
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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: JJ (Was: Re: how bad is Dallas?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:51:10 GMT

>
>Re JJ:  The Orlando Sentinel reported that he had registered for classes for
>the spring semester at tOSU.  Any truth to this rumor?

Saw him on campus today.

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