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From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Cars breaking down in the movies
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:18:51 GMT


This is somewhat off the topic of trashing cars for the movies, but I was
watching _The Gumball Rally_ awhile back and hit the floor laughing over
the Jaguar XKE that wouldn't start.  If you've ever had to work on one,
you'll know what I mean. :-)

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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Removal of this newsgroup
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.041806.3112@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>
>As there is now a Usenet newsgroup, rec.autos.antique, which ful-
>fills the same purpose as this one, I will issue a rmgroup for 
>alt.autos.antique in a few days.
>
>The purpose for this newsgroup was always as a stepping stone to a
>Usenet newsgroup and now that group has been created.
>
>In doing the above, let me say, "Goodbye old friend". :-)

How about changing it to 
alt.autos.antique.parts
for people looking for parts, or people with parts to sell?
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From: jnissen@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: STILL LOOKING FOR 1952 FORD INFO
Originator: jnissen@jnissen.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:27:04 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division


In article <1992Dec22.123434.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>, soderburg@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
> I'M STILL LOOKING FOR PARTS FOR A 1952 FORD.  SOMEHOW MY REQUEST WAS TAKEN
> OFF OF THE LIST.  I WOULD LIKE TO CONVERSE WITH SOMEONE WHO OWNS ONE ABOUT
> PARTS THAT GO INTO THE CAR.  I'M STILL LOOKING FOR PARKING LIGHT HOUSINGS
> AND DOOR TRIM MOLDING.  NEED A LIST OF JUNK YARDS TO WRITE TO.  CAN BUY LOCAL
> BUT THEY WANT A ARM, LEG AND KIDNEY.  ADVISE IF YOU CAN HELP.

Have you checked in Hemmings Motor news?  They seem to have everything 
and anything to do do with old cars.  Keep your eyes open because you can find a
few bargains now and then.
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From: cj137@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Jeffries)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: ++> MUSCLE CAR ADVERTISING FOR SALE !!! <++
Date: 3 Jan 1993 21:14:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Note to Poster (was: Is this a Model "A"?)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 05:09:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu

Sorry to take up bandwidth, but I was unable to access this account in order
to download the photo in question.  My mail bounced, as well.

Would the original poster please send me login info?  Anonymous ftp doesn't
seem to want to work.

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:33:55 GMT

> In article <1992Dec16.192410.15986@MorningStar.Com>  
dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell) writes:
> "I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really  
nice
> "classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
> "mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really
> "destroy a classic just to make sure that the movie seems authentic?

	I have forgotten the exact number, but they ruined a whole lot  
of 57 Plymouth hardtops to make the movie Christine (about the  
possessed red 57 Belvedere hardtop).  Also, remember when James Caan  
got shot up in The Godfather?  They took a 41 Continental coupe and  
shot it full of holes, then filled the holes with explosive so Caan  
could get ambushed on camera.  I saw that car at Auburn several years  
ago and wanted to retch.
	It just burns the hell out of me when some Hollywood nimboid  
takes an irreplaceable car and destroys it in the name of special  
effects.  I never saw Thelma and Louise, so did not know until now that  
they sent a T-Bird convertible over a cliff.  Bastards.

Jim Cavanaugh
From: rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Is this a Model "A"?
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:38:48 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu


Sorry about the cross posting - I'd like to reach as wide
an appropriate audience as possible -

Last summer while looking for antique photos in shops, I ran
across a very interesting "real photo" postcard, which I'd
estimate is pre - 1920.  I have this available for ftp in
.gif format from naucse.cse.nau.edu (134.114.64.70 - also
known as "sunset.cse.nau.edu" ) It's in the "Geo" directory.

Anyway, this is a very interesting photo.  It shows what
appears to be a couple of men in a wild setting (mountain
in background with either birch or aspen trees).  The car
has just forded a stream, and they are out by the side.
Lots of backcountry / camping gear stowed on the car.
Note the kerosene lantern hanging on the back spare tire.
Now, one of the men facing away from the camera has his
hands at a very unusual angle behind his back - he appears
to be handcuffed (although it's hard to tell).  I have no
information on this picture other than what you see.

Can anyone tell me is this a Model "A" or some other similar
vintage auto.  Does the fellow look to you like he's handcuffed?
The clothes are somewhat reminiscient of World War 1 uniforms.

This is a 256 gray scale gif photo. This is as clear as it gets,
the original is somewhat fuzzy...this is an albumem photo (again
probably about 1910 - 1925).

All opinions welcome!

- Bob Wier

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      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:29:01 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <10640@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
								
>Like a functional 1/4 scale train model isn't unique and rare? 

	Well, if that train wasn't built with only the movie in mind,
	it could be unique and rare. But I doubt it...
	(I hope there isn't any 1/4 scale train model collectors in
	this newsgroup... :-)

>I'm not in
>favor of movie crews wrecking collectible cars, just pointing out that they
>*do* wreck rare and expensive stuff.  Unfortunately, they have enough money
>to buy collectibles and then trash them.  Sigh.

	I don't (personally) really care about destroying rare _stuff_
	but I hate it when they wreck a rare _car_. Or any collectible
	item, which wasn't made specifically for the movie.
	There's a difference between 'collectible' and 'rare'...	

-Henri
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From: bmenke@synopsys.Synopsys.COM (Brian Menke)
Subject: 1965 Chevelle for sale
Organization: Synopsys Inc., Mountain View, CA 94043
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:04:31 GMT

For Sale 1965 Chevelle Malibu (2 door hard top)


The following items on the car are brand new (less than 100 miles):

* complete new interior (all door panels, headliner, upholtery ect.)
* complete new front suspension. (I stripped the car to the frame from the firewall forward. Sandblasted and painted every part and then installed all new PST polygraphite components.
* wheels and yokohamma tires (15 inch)
* Front brakes, brake cylinders, brake hoses, rebuilt master cylinder. All brake lines have been completely flushed with new fluid
* Heater motor
* mufflers
* Grant steering wheel
* Sun tach
* New rubber molding and window channels (chevelle clasics stage 1 kit)
* and lots more

Car has:

* tinted windows
* 12 bolt 410 posi
* ladder bars
* roll bar
* racing seats
* drive shaft loop
* racing axles
* gauge set
* kitted turbo 400 (recently rebuilt..fluid hasn't even been added yet)

Starting to get the idea?

Car had a 396 (pushing 525 hp) and is set up to go hard. The engine block was cracked near a head bolt so I scrapped it.

If you know about 60's muscle car then come check this one out. Prices on these cars are starting to rise again.
price: $2500.00  firm  Have receipts

Contact me (Brian) at:
1-800-843-5669 ext 4124 (work)
415 967 6537 home, before 8:30pm
or email bmenke@synopsys.com

Mountain View
From: cj137@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Jeffries)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: *** PAINT CHIPS 1946-1971 ONLY $3 EACH !!! ***
Date: 3 Jan 1993 21:12:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I just recieved a quantity of paint chips for most makes INCLUDING
CROSLEY. They span the years 1946-1971 for Autos, Trucks, and
commercial vehicles.  They sell for between $7-$15 each, but 
I'm willing to sell them for only $3 each!!
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: email problem
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:09:01 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-31-92 23:04
  To the fellow that sent me Email, did receive it and replied but it 
was "kicked back" as undeliverable.
I probably screwed up on the address, anyways just wanted you to know 
that I read and an attempted to <R>eply.
(using an Offline Reader and can't page back).
 
  Regards
   Marv
 
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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:18:39 GMT

In <10631@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:

<snip>
>because anything smaller looked like a model on film.  That scale model 
>train was specially built for the movie and I suspect cost a good deal more
>than some of the cars this group talks about.
>   Oh, by the way, has it occured to anyone else that the car at the end
>of "Thelma & Louise" probably wasn't wrecked?  I mean we didn't see it land...

	I think the point of all isn't how much $$$ do the cars cost
	but how many unique, rare and non-expendable cars are or have
	been wrecked in making of movies. (I think many subscribers 
	of this newsgroup agree with that...)

	For example, if someone wants to wreck an authentic Ford GT-40
	because he wants the crash to look authentic. They wouldn't
	just wreck $1M worth of steel, aluminium and plastic but one
	of the abt. 200 GT-40s ever built. Think about it...

-Henri
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From: fuchs@local.host
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Cars wrecked in movies, continued...
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:43:59 GMT
Reply-To: fuchs@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <hennie.724865821@nuustak>, hennie@nuustak.csir.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach) writes:
>How about the 54 Mercury that got totalled in Sly Stallone's "COBRA". I doubt
>wether they had more than one of those. The wrecking part seemed pretty 
>authentic though. Quite a nice Merc as well. I wonder how the previous owner
>of the car felt after watching the movie, especially with all  the work thats
>gone into the car -shaving, frenching etc.-.
>
>Doubt wether I'll be able to sell my soul like that.
>
>Hennie Rautenbach 
>
IIt wasn't a 54 it was a 50 and they used up 3 or 4 Mercs in filming.  It is
said that Sly still is driving one of them.
The Merc were stockers that were modified for the movie.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: reel wrecks etc.,
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:47:28 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-24-92 22:39
H(:From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)

H(:        I think the point of all isn't how much $$$ do the cars cost
H(:        but how many unique, rare and non-expendable cars are or have
H(:        been wrecked in making of movies. (I think many subscribers 
H(:        of this newsgroup agree with that...)
H(:
H(:        For example, if someone wants to wreck an authentic Ford GT-40
H(:        because he wants the crash to look authentic. They wouldn't
H(:        just wreck $1M worth of steel, aluminium and plastic but one
H(:        of the abt. 200 GT-40s ever built. Think about it...

 Hollywood used to destroy valuable automobiles, but with the 
Recession and Budget's that just isn't done Today. Frankly, I don't 
have any problem with destroying a mass produced commodity since 
anyone can walk in and write a Check (in Canada we spell that word 
"cheque") or get Financing and be an "owner".
 
 I do find it distasteful if the vehicle in question is of 
antique/vintage/classic or Special Interest distinction. Generally 
they'll purchase an old "shitter" and give it a coat of paint (talking 
cars of the fifties) or perhaps purchase some old shitbox and then 
spend $5K to put a fibreglass body on it and then toss it off a cliff.
 
 While on the subject of Hollywood, have another story to relate. 
Toronto is very popular with those "lotus land" exec's (combination of 
a .78 Dollar, good Technicians and Big Buildings {read as it could 
pass for NYC, or Chicago etc.}). Anyways, I get a call from some 
Agency (they were looking for a particular car for the Hero to drive 
in the Movie), seems someone local told them I had "The CAR".
 
 During the exchange (talking several phone calls), I'm told the 
"Hero" drives this vehicle in 3 scenes and I'm asked how much I want 
for the rental. I tell them $4K and want the specific times and 
date(s) since I'll drive the vehicle out to the site. To make a long 
story short we bargain and now I agree to accept $2,500.
 
 Get a call the next day and am told "it's a Deal" BUT they need the 
vehicle for 6 weeks. I tell them, that personally my time for six 
weeks is worth more than a couple of grand, never mind the Car.
 
 The "truth" was that it would take a day to do the shoot but the 
Producer wanted a set of wheels to drive around Town during his stay.
Well, that ended the negotiations and I finally did see the Movie on 
Pay TV a year later.........said "Hero" drove an SL Series 
Merc........;-) (but of course I'm sure it was a FREEie)
 
 Season's Greetings
 
   Marv
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:42:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec23.165151.2099@mcnc.org> brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks) writes:
"I remember watching a trashy movie called "Big Bad Mama" with Angie Dickinson
"and William Shatner. Gangsters in the '30s stuff. Anyway, they rolled a
"couple cars in one scene, including putting a Ford Model A on its side. I
"know it was a real "A" because you could see the traverse suspension rear
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
						  [transverse]

"axle that is unique to early Fords. Really pissed me off to see a nice 
"antique trashed for the likes of that movie. But hey, they didn't ask my
"opinion.

just to be picky -- ford v8s up through post-war had 'em too.

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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Removal of this newsgroup
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:18:06 GMT


As there is now a Usenet newsgroup, rec.autos.antique, which ful-
fills the same purpose as this one, I will issue a rmgroup for 
alt.autos.antique in a few days.

The purpose for this newsgroup was always as a stepping stone to a
Usenet newsgroup and now that group has been created.

In doing the above, let me say, "Goodbye old friend". :-)

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From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Is this a Model "A"?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 04:46:09 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu

In article <6220@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>
[Is this - pre-1920 car - a Model "A"?]

The Model "A" was made from 1928 - 1931.  I'll try to retrieve the gif, though,
and see if I can if I can identify it for you.
From: fec@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (f.e.carey)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Minervas
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:01:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


  >I have recently bought a Minerva ZZ 20 HP from 1924. No mutch is in generally
  >known about these fine autos, so I seek information. My car was modified 40 years
  >ago the. To restore it to original condition as a convertible I am looking for
  >new doors (4), a windshield and the convertible top.


Minervas were made in Belgium and were luxury cars trying to
compete with Rolls, and the others.  I believe production
was very low.  I would expect that the bodies were custom
made as was the practice among the luxury manufacturers in
those days and that finding body parts may therefore be 
extremely difficult.  Also, in those days most bodies
were structurally wood.  Wood bodies typically don't last
long in this area of the USA.  Don't know about your area.
You could try Hemmings Motor News - printed in the US -
as a possible source of Minerva info.  I don't know if Minervas
qualify as full classics in  the Classic Car Club of America
but if they do you might get ssome leads from that organization.
Good luck.  You'll probably need it.

Frank Carey at Bell Labs
From: looper@cco.caltech.edu (Mark D. Looper)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.rod-n-custom
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO vs. Ferrari GTO
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska) writes:

>Omoligatto (sp?) is the Italian word for Homologation (sp?), which roughly 
>means something like "You have to make and sell _X_ of these to race it".  
>_X_ was something like 500 for NASCAR in the 60's.

If I am not mistaken, the Italian word is "omologato"; you got the English
spelling right.  There was a glorious article a couple of years back in,
I think, _Car_and_Driver_ on "The Ten Best Muscle Cars" by a "mercenary"
in the HP wars of the '60's; among others, it talked about some of the cars
that hit the mass market only because of '60's NASCAR homologation rules--the
427 Hemi intermediates top his list, and I don't think I'm betraying my Chevy
roots by agreeing with him.

--Mark Looper
(Fat ol' smallblock '70 Caprice, vaporware '64 Chevelle)
From: livneh@wells.rutgers.edu (Shai Livneh)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.rod-n-custom
Subject: Re: Future of the Vette
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:49:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Vettes suck?  Are you kidding?
This is probably the coolest car ever made in America.
It's true that most of us can't own one, alas, but if I or I think
most other people would have the money and could afford the insurance,
we wouldn't think twice about buying one.  Not only is the car rich in
racing history and nostalgia (having an exceptional body design in each
generation it was modified), it also sports a strong and technologically
refined engine (compared with sport car wannabes).  Today's Corvette is
full of goodies (electronic and mechanical) that make it a world class
competitor.  I bet 99% of readers in this newsgroup love that car and if
you don't, then maybe you don't belong here but should park yourself in
the cockpit of an Acura NSX.

							Shai
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.rod-n-custom
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO vs. Ferrari GTO
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:37:46 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec17.192855.45729@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2huxsilent@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I have no idea where the original term GTO came from so I won't even try to
>speculate.  But I do know what it is currently used for.  The IMSA uses the

Grand Turismo Omoligatto ?? (not too sure about the "O" word but it's some
Italian word that sounds something like that)

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