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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Lovecraftian research
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:58:58 GMT

In article <Dec.15.13.41.09.1992.10711@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>
>
>You've probably already thought of this, but anything about the San Francisco
>earthquake of 1910 would give you *some* background info.  A bibliography for
>
 Umm... that would be the SF Earthquake of 1906, I believe. Unless they had
another one and didn't tell me :(

 I doubt it though. Cthonians are a pretty lazy bunch, and would rather sit
around drinking Samuel Adams and wolfing down Ben & Jerry's pints while ren-
ting 'Tremors' for the 450th time in a row and jeering at Kevin Bacon's hair,
than actually working themselves up to a good earthquake. That's why it only
happens once every ten years or so, when they have managed to forget some of
the jokes they made at the beginning of the decade, think they're new and hil-
ariously funny, toast themselves and their wonderful inhuman wit, and top the
night off with a nice major earthquake where they can watch cities burn and
humans rape and kill and loot, under the light of a beautiful moonlit evening.

 Yup.

-- Clint
From: johnh@compnews.co.uk (John Harcourt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: The other Innsmouths
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:50:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.
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There is a place in north-east England called Goole. It is not one of the    
Innsmouths you are looking for. I only mention it because of the way most of
its older inhabitants look. Protruding lower lips, bulging eyes, sloping
foreheads, the works... Oh yeah, and the old women all wear ridiculous wigs
and keep their necks covered with scarves even in Summer...

And its a salt-water port on the River Ouse...

Sounds a little fishy to me...

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Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: TUO
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:13:50 GMT



The mailing address for TUO is: Pagan Publishing 403A N. 8th St., Columbia, MO)
65201.
The price of a year's subscription is (I believe) $16 in the US.
Mike
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: The Culkinator! Was: Re: JACOBs LADDER
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:52:37 GMT

In article <BD.92Dec15130258@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>What's with all the Macaulay Culkin bashing?  Sure, he's an annoying
>talentless little kid, but if you don't like him don't
>go to see his movies.  What's the big deal?  Why all the
>hostility?
>
>Sincerely curious about this.  

But where's the fun in that?

--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: T.E.D Klein
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:12:25 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1992Dec10.171540.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>,
meisner@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> 
> Last year I read two books by T.E.D. Klein--Dark Gods and Ceremonies. Any news
> on anything else he may have published.  This guy is really quite good.

     I've read _The_Ceremonies_, and I thought it sucked.  It looked
like a couple ideas he had strung together and padded.  OTOH, there's
Klein's story in Kirby Macauley's (sp?) _Dark_Forces_ anthology.  That
was great Lovecraftian stuff.  Too bad I forgot the title, though.

     Can anyone tell me what was good about _The_Ceremonies_?  Is it
just a personal taste issue, or did I miss something?  Really.
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Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Why do people hate Culkin?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:37:40 GMT

Steve Tilson tells us why he hates the Culkin brat, and says:
>If that isn't a recipe for justified absolute hatred,
>I don't know what is.

Such charming sentiments at the time of "peace on Earth, good
will to men"!  And so relevant to alt.horror, too!

Do us all a favor: create alt.flame.culkin.

							--Fiona W.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: BOB-to Eric the Super Annoying
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:25:18 GMT

eric--
i'm from calgary, but i don't know any good
mail orders in that area.
but here is the address for dreamhaven books, which is a good
mail order store and they may be able to help you.
dreamhaven books
1309 4th st. se
minneapolis, mn.
55414

if that doen't work out i can check the sentry box in calgary,
though i don't know if they mail order, or if they even stock
much of barker's stuff (being sf oriented).
btw, the spere omnibus editions are good, but when reading mine
i ran across a large number of spelling and puntuation-related
typesetting errors. dodn't know if that plauged all copies, or
just a particular printing. that really annoys me, though
the books are still worth having.
russ fischer
From: S.E.Rigden@newcastle.ac.uk (SER)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: JACOB's LADDER
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:39:51 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


 I don't know if this post belongs in alt.horror, but what I want to know is :

 Is that kid in Jacob's Ladder the same one who's in those pathetic Home Alone
movies?

 Thanks

 - SER
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Subject: Re: T.E.D Klein
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:16:25 GMT

meisner@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>Last year I read two books by T.E.D. Klein--Dark Gods and Ceremonies. Any news
>on anything else he may have published.  This guy is really quite good.

Not to advance or argue the point, but I thought you might like to 
know that to the best of my recollection, T.E.D. Klein is actually
a collaborative pen name for two real-life authors.  I can't at the
moment bring the names to mind, but I'm sure someone out there will
be able to either shoot me down or advance my bit of trivia! :-)

Yes, I think he's good too.  
-- 
                 
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Ric            | especially the mouth part of the face.
Bretschneider  |
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tsip@voyager.bxscience.edu (Boris)
Subject: Disk Images (Still and again.....)
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:13:33 GMT
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--
, I have found a program called scopy (version .9) from around 1990,
not sure if it's shareware or what, the reason I post here is because
it creates images from pc disks, it also allows you to set perameters
like # of tracks, sector per track etc. etc. etc. question is.... anybody
know the exact specs of an apple // disk (or know if it is absolutly futile to
a
ttempt this......) thanks
response via E-Mail MUCH preffered :
tsip@voyager.bxscience.edu

thanks
pardon the typos

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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: jedubins@unix.amherst.edu (A Timothy Leary Fan!!@^%#)
Subject: NEED Apple II roms
Organization: Limbo, Org.   (how low can you go)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:54:45 GMT


Yes I Have an Apple II at home, as well as a multitude of software on disk.
If there is anybody out there who could get me a copy of the Apple II roms
I would be most appreciative.

Also, is it possible, from a hardware standpoint, to read the Apple II
disks from a 5.25" (HD/LD) drive on an IBM, or is this(because of the 
way the Apple II Disk Drives were designed), not possible.  Don't know
how I'm going to transfer my software, I don't have a serial card or a modem
on my II.  I would appreciate any help, or especially the ROMs.


					Jim Dubinsky

Email at:
		jedubins@unix.amherst.edu	or
		jedubins@artsci.wustl.edu	or
		jedubinsky@amh.amherst.edu


Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: stolz@fnusg.fnal.gov
Subject: reading Apple CP/M disks on an IBM??
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:37:34 EST
Organization: P.S.C.

Hi all - I've got an another type of Apple II to IBM problem - I have Apple II
CP/M disks I need to transfer - it could be to either a MAC or and IBMpc I don't
care which.  All I want to transfer is the text files, I'm not planning to run
those old CP/M programs ...  The Apple disks are 5.25" - the MAC only has a 3.5"
drive, while the IBM-clone has both.  Anyone know of a CP/M disk reader for
the IBM-clone (or the MAC).  I have all three machines.  I can also get to a
IIGS with 3.5" drives, but I don't believe it can deal with the CP/M card or 
disk format.  I suppose the other possibility might be to null-modem the 
machines together, but I haven't a clue how to hot-wire a Super-serial card to
anything, and I suspect I may need a file transfer program as well???  I don't
got Kermit for Apple CP/M! 
(almost) all suggestions welcome 

thanx - 
Mike Stolz
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: HELP!!! What to do with .bsq files (how to run binscii.exe
Followup-To: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:15:02 GMT

I would recommend getting the comp.sys.apple2 FAQ postings (just appeared
last week) to figure out the Apple encoders.  Since the Apple DOS have
file types as a part of the file system, rather than using magic numbers
and name extentions, Binscii and NuFX are some file encoding mechanisms
which maintain the file type, size, etc. as a part of the encoded file.

The commands bsc, sciibin and nulib are C versions of the most frequently
used encoding tools on non-Apple platforms.  sciibin takes a .bsq type
file and turns it into a binary format.  nulib takes a .SHK file (think
.zoo, .arc, etc.) and extracts its members.
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2,comp.sys.apple2
From: evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL)
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Keywords: words which summarize content
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:43:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.003935.21194@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> wolfsond@cse.fau.edu (Dan MC^2 Wolfson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.062457.13217@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> ramsey@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mad Poo Bandit) writes:
>>In article <Bz0n4y.6n8@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:
>>>>ramsey@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mad Poo Bandit) writes:
>>>>>question of speed.  An IBM's capabilities match or exceed that of a GS, so
>>>>>you wouldn't run into anything really wierd.  As for sound (which I know
>>>>>the GS can beat a standard IBM on)...well, put in SoundBlaster support.
>>>
>>>Not even close.  The SB and SB Pro have extremely shitty sound output compared
>>>to the IIgs.  You'd need a Gravis UltraSound (with a real Ensoniq DOC) to get
>>>something similar to the IIgs.
>>>
>
>Why on Earth would anyone *EVER* want to emulate an APPLE IIGS?
>
>The APPLE II emulator is a great novelty because there are so many 
>classic games to be played.  But as for the Apple IIGS...
>

I suppose just to say you can.  I can't think of too much to do on a GS
that I wouldn't rather do on a Mac, PC, or Amiga.  That GS owner who so
belittles the PC will probably come up with something though.  Watch.

>If I want to play AMIGA modules, I will use my AMIGA to play them,
>which by the way runs *circles* around any IIgs..  
>
>

Sounds good to me.  I say the SB (or in my case, the SBPro) does a sufficient
job of matching the Amiga's quality.  Sure, it takes CPU time, but with 
good programming, I don't notice.  Starcon II works great.  Those guys
can do their thing.

Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: SoftAT=>IBM emulation on Mac question
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:45:40 GMT

anil@cs.titech.ac.jp (Anil Bhatia) writes:

>I have SoftAT which emulates an IBM, and DOS 3.3
>If I run out and buy Windows 3, can I expect it to work?
>I am using a MacIIci/68030@40Mhz\
>Help by e-amil please to
>anil
>Thanks

Please excuse me if this seems like a rude answer, but why would you want to?

--
dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: gerace@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Mad Poo Bandit)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: copying disk images
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:50:56 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <rdippold.724371974@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>>essentially stealing from them.  If your neighbor had piles and piles
>>of fifty dollar bills that he wasn't using, and had no plans to spend, would
>>you argue that it would be correct from an ethical standpoint to steal
>>cash from him?
>

Oh, but then you get into that ethical thing.  Is copying software really
stealing per se?  The 'owner' may never know anything was taken, since his
originals (the dollar bills in your analogy) are never even touched.
And if the game is no longer for sale, he DEFINITELY didn't lose any
possible money from a sales percentage, since the 'perpetrator' wouldn't
have been able to buy the game anyway.

>Careful... most people seem to feel that it's perfectly okay to steal
>from their neighbor whether or not he/she has piles of it and whether
>or not he/she plans to use it.
>

Well, I wouldn't say MOST people, but they are out there true 'nuff.  You
might say that MOST people may not feel too bad about copying a piece of
software they NEVER would have CONSIDERED buying.  But I think MOST people
would draw the line at actual breaking and entering in order to steal
some non-data material, e.g. cash or tv's.

Just an opinion...I have mine, you have yours.
MPB
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Followup-To: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:58:45 GMT

Even though IBM has not manufactured IBM's, IBM PCs, IBM AT, XT, etc. for
many yrs, programs are still being written for them, and folk keep using them.
They are not being built, but there is still a market for software and 
peripheral support.  The same is true for Apple II, II+, IIe, IIc, IIgs,
III, Lisa, Mac .* models, etc., Amigas, Commodore 64s, Texas Instruments,
Atari 800, etc.
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: 901106c@dragon.acadiau.ca (Timothy Chipman)
Subject: help: where to get disk images?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:15:46 GMT

I used to know this, but....

Can anyone tell me where I could get via FTP disk images
to run under the apple2 emulator?

Thanks bundles!

Tim Chipman
901106c@axe.acadiau.ca
901106c@dragon.acadiau.ca
From: lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Lionel Ginzburg)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Summary: vague remembrance of 5.25 disk structure
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.223620.3809@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>In article <2277@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> gazo@server.uwindsor.ca (ozaG .S luaP) writes:
>>
>>	So, we can't even use something like Norton DiskEdit to get a straight
>>Hex content of an Apple disk?  I mean, there's _NO_ way of sticking an apple
>>disk in an IBM drive and grabbing the contents directly?
>
>Gosh, all this brings to mind all sorts of vague rumors and reports of
>unknown little programs that can be used to read Apple disks in IBM drives.
>I *know* that old Atari disks can be done this way, and Apple disks are
>fairly similar...
>
I think it would be possible to read Apple *3.5* inch disks in IBM
drives, but if my memories of the Apple are correct, it shouldn't be
possible to read 5.25 disks directly.  The reason that Atari disks can
be read in IBM drives is that they both use MFM encoding.  (The
original, 90K Atari disks CAN NOT be read in IBM drives, as they use FM
encoding.  What these terms mean, I don't remember-- I'll look for my
old Copy II Plus manual.  If I recall, both Commodore 64 and Apple II
5.25 disks used something called GCR encoding.)
>
>>	I just want to sleep at night, so if someone could actually say "it
>>absolutely, due to technical difficulties, cannot be done", I would be able to
>>stop thinking of nasty assembly routines to decrypt Apple disks...
>
I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that my knowledge of the
technical specs of Apple disks is not enough where I could comfortably
say in one direction or the other.  Frankly, I doubt it can be done--
this from a person who once wrote a program to read IBM disks on an
Atari 800XL with an Indus GT drive. (Alas, I have neither the drive nor
the program anymore.)

I don't think it's a speed thing.  It's possible to play with speed--
Atari disks rotated at 288rpm when correctly calibrated.  Apple disks
weren't TOO far off from that.  And we must consider that DOS 3.1 for
the Apple was written by the same people who wrote DOS 2.0 on the Atari.

>Apple II programmers are known for continually doing "what cannot be done!"
>I'm sure there's a way, we just need the people who know how to start
>reading this newsgroup.
>
>This looks like a great question to start a FAQ list.
>-- 
> __                                                                        __
>(__)  Grover Thomas                   InterNet:  grover@emunix.emich.edu  (__)
>(__)                                                                      (__)
>(__)    Stupid Dan Quayle quote deleted, now that he's out of a job :-)   (__) 


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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: kenc@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ken Corey - Operator)
Subject: Re: Slick emulator...but need system disks.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:44:16 GMT

unknown@Apple.COM (Matt Ackeret) writes:
>you can ftp them from ftp.apple.com

Hrm.  I went and looked in the dts/aii directories, and could find only the 
IIgs stuff, and the lc/iiecard stuff.  I'm just looking for DOS for old 
apple II 5.25" drives.  I'm not wanting to try to emulate the gs at all.

Anyway, talk to y'all later.

Ken == kenc@sol.acs.unt.edu == kenc@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
 "Really ??  What a coincidence, I'm shallow too!!"
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: psrjd@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: copying disk images
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Alaska, Anchorage
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:48:00 GMT

In article <BzAFx4.Lwy@rice.edu>, jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes...

>Do you really believe that the fact that someone might not be distributing
>software he owns the rights to effectively negates his ownership of
>said rights?
> 
>In article <1992Dec14.164314.9213@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:    
>>(why is it that people get so unreasonable about copying software,
>>when NO-ONE ever complains about videotaping TV shows, recording
>>songs off the radio, xeroxing magazine articles, etc...  I understand
>>it when we are talking about brand new software that is still being
> 
>There are established rules governing "fair use" of books and magazines, and
>I believe that established legal precedent regarding the taping of
>tv shows is that it's ok, as long as the tape is for personal use
>(or something like that).
>-- 
>Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)

One point that I believe is relevant to this discussion.  Is it not true that
copyright is only good for seven years from the date claimed?  (If there is
someone who knows otherwise, please correct me!)  As I seem to recall, once a
copyright is granted, it is good for seven years.  (Perhaps claimed would be a
better word.)  If this is the case, and I believe it is, then as of 1-Jan-1993
most software prior to 1986 is no longer protected by copyright.

Perhaps a solution to this would be a FTP site with someone who could verify
that the programs therein were legaly available for copying/transfering/etc.  I
suspect that this would entail people getting in touch with the copyright
holders and getting permission _in writing_ to distibute.  This would have to
be a volunteer system, IE if you have a piece of software and are willing to
make the effort, you would have to contact the copyright holder in question and
obtain that permission.

As has been pointed out previously, the copyright holders in question are not
likely seeing any profit for these pieces, and might willingly let them go.
Another possibility would be distribution as shareware (if the copyright holder
wished to maintain copyright, but not bother with full blown distibution of a
program for a miniscule market.)

Ray Denison == PSRJD@ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2