From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Fight the bastards (was Re: Dressed for Rape)
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:53:06 GMT

In article <9301052005.00@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <pa142548.605.726245230@utkvm1.utk.edu> pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (
T. Archer) writes:>>In article <9301041848.46@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.
UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:>>>>Please consider the following questions 
seriously.  It is my attempt to>>>>to understand whether what you advocate 
has a chance at success.>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What criteria would you use?
>>>
>>>Whether the applicant enjoys a healthy social relationship with his
>>>family, community, and society.
>>
>>I'm a loner few friends.  Define "healty."  What if you're new in town and 
>>being stalked?  How do you prevent the local gun banners like yourself from 
>>defining anyone who wants reasonable means of self-defences as "violently 
>>undstable."
>
>I have nothing to do with the decision to issue a gun permit.  The chief of
>police does that.

And if the chief decides not to issue any permits at all, what is your 
recourse?

>
>>>>How would you obtain the data you need to make a decision?  
>>>
>>>FBI report
>>>State police and court report
>>>verifiable references of friends and/or neighbors
>>
>>So citizens should ask the state and their friends and neighbors before 
>>exercizing basic civil liberties.
>
>So you see nothing wrong with allowing ex-cons on parole from buying
>guns, even if their crimes involved guns.
>
>If you want to become a police officer in Massachusetts, they also check
>FBI and state records, and talk to your friends and neighbors.
>
>>>>How fast could you get the relevant information?  
>>>
>>>The first two in probably 72 hours.
>>>The last would probably take a couple of weeks.
>>
>>Unless you decide to arbitrarily deny the permission you are not permitted 
>>under the constitution to require.  In this case, you can just fail to 
>>return the paperwork.
>
>Obviously, the federal government doesn't protect the constitution,
>considering the laws that all these states have enacted.
>
>>>>What training or qualifications do you need to make a decision?  
>>>
>>>The ability to understand police and court records, and the ability
>>>to understand basic psychology.
>>
>>Don't forget the politically correct social outlook to get the job denying, 
>>I mean approving, permits.
>
>I don't think that is a requirement for being hired as a police chief.
>
>>>>What would be the probability of making the wrong decision?  
>>>
>>>20% or less?
>>
>>Any denial of means of self-defense is too many.
>
>It could also go the other way.  A guy could buy a gun, and then go home
>and shoot his wife.
>
>>>>If you make the wrong decision, what would your responsibility be?
>>>
>>>None, under current laws.
>>
>>So you can freely deny civil liberties with no penalty.
>
>That seems to be how it works for the police.

Just because this is true does not make it right.
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