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From: lan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yan Lan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Playing Go (Wei Qi) on internet
Keywords: go, weiqi, receation, game
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:42:35 GMT
Organization: UB

Hi! friends:

I have been watching the Olympic Games these days and very proud of Chinese 
Olypians. They did  great job.

But I am  so angry about  the local newspaper's comments on the Chinese gold
medalist Zhuang Yong and other Chinese swimmers. they spread rumors that 
Chinese girls must have taken some banned substances to enhance their perfor-
mances. They print a uglified picture of Zhuang Yong and herald  BULK MUSCLES
...STYROID... and something like that.

The TV sports commentors' attitude toward Chinese swimmers,divers and gamnasts
also made me upset.This morning they made so much noise about a Amercian girl
and I thought she won the gold medal. But actually she ended up with a bronze
(fortunatlly!). A Japanese girl won the gold, and Chinese LIN LI won the 
silver.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:06:55 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <199207301449.AA05426@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>
>China's foreign trade Gaogan's used to make deals for their personal
>gain at the expense of the country, they are under monitored.
>
>Can Zuofeng (car expert) or Eddie (car selling expert?:-) prepare a
>detailed report on the deal? If evidence show it is an obvious  bad deal,
>let's try to sue the corrupted GaoGans.

Based on what law? :-)

It's hard to prove anything if there is any corruption, except seeing
and hearing all the money coming from China to the GaoGan Jr.'s accounts.
If you read Businessweek or the like, you see Mr. Anonymous from mainland
China is buying large pieces of land and development in Florida; students
owning their own condos ... stock brokers talking about large accounts
from China.  

I take it as a fact of life and wishing all GaoGan Jr. become Mr. Capitalist
and hopefully one day there will be laws established, for their own sake,
to protect private properties. It's called "peaceful evolution". :-)
And only then they, the government, will leave us along. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21069 soc.culture.usa:6217
From: zhoub@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Looking for Yin Qinye in America
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:18:07 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Hi, friends,

If you know Mr. Yin Qinye in Averica, please contact me.

Thank you in advance for all your help.

Bingyang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Huang)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:23:10 GMT

-- 
=============================== Andy Huang <huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.S. Thank you for reading my article. We may not share the same idea but I 
respect whatever thoughts you may have. Please feel free to agree/disagree, 
to laugh/criticize/protest. Or to use "kill", s'il vous plait.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Forward - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.213806.16108@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov writes:
>>>We have to reallize that most Chinese athlets are backed by a
>>>Sports Machine that runs like a military machine, and most
>>>American athletes are on their own and have a life out of the
>>>sports they play.
>
>>I doubt there are a lot of geniuses in this world. Many US players
>>were also told being trained at very young age. If you couldn't
>
>This morning NBC showed an interview with Kim Zmeskal's parents.
>The mother said something like this, "It's very difficult for a child.
>She is ready to live a normal life. ...." That means Kim Zmeskal doesn't
>have a normal life either. She is a "15 years old child without childhood".
>The US Sports Machine made her a world champion. So, what's wrong for
>Fu Mingxia to become an athelet when she is very young?
>
>>endure the pain of the arduous efforts, the champion would be
>>someone else. This is the rule. Chinese are born in a much tougher
>>environment than average Americans, which explains a lot.
>
>

Other people's wrongdoing doesn't justify yours.

I am not going to blame anyone. I think there is something wrong with
usual people's understanding of "sports". I agree with Yuan Jiang on his
understanding of Olympic sports.
From: hua@liasun6.epfl.ch (Kefeng Hua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won Gold Medal
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:57:37 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.

The secret weapon is a training center up in the high maintains. There have been reports about it. That's one reason why performance can be improved in a short period of time. 
The one who made evil speaking to others must have used the evil method on oneself first.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: Bao Tong is sentenced to 4+3 years
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:50:06 GMT

In article <13679@mindlink.bc.ca>, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
|>     Bao Tong is sentenced to 9 years.  He has been in jail without trial
|> for two years, so he has to serve another 7 years more.

Wrong. This guy was given that 3 years (not 2 years) credit. :)
He deserves more.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: weimin@rice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Subject: Re: CND Summer Olympics Special Issue (IV), July 31, 1992
Originator: weimin@datura.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: weimin@rice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:07:29 GMT


In article <1992Jul31.051952.9686@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
|> Of course NBC is biased on reporting events involving Americans.
|> Is Chinese media more neutral?  See below.  It's human nature.
|> 
|> In article <9207310442.AA09208@wurobot@wugate.wustl.edu> xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU (Bo Xiong) writes:
|> >
|> >             * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
|> >
|> >Table of Contents                                                 # of Lines
|> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >1. July 30: China Won Gold, Silver, and Bronzes ......................... 21
|> >2. China's Medal Count with Events & Names: July 26-30....................55
|> >3. Results of Other Events with Chinese Presence ........................ 21
|> >4. Medal Winners of Thursday, July 30 ................................... 60
|> >5. Total Medal Standings in the 25th Olympics as of Jul 30 .............. 38
|> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Please remember that these CND people are amateur and usually busy. They do not
have TIME to compile scores for every event. 

 Please make your comparison with CCTV, if possible. I bet one can see every
gold medalist on CCTV.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:24:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.174822.16756@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <0095E008.424B9EA0@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
>>>
>>>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>>>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>>>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
>>
>>    I know Tsinghua has a indoor swiming pool even in 50's. Imagine how many
>>luxury hotels in China, most of them have indoor swimming pool. 
>
>
>	Seems that we are heading the right direction in this thread...  :-)  
>I received a msg. this morning from a netter who pointed out that the
>mistake may be that what TIME meant is China has only 60 Olympic standard
>sized swimming pools.  I don't know about the fact on this one, but seems
>reasonable to me...
>
>	I tend to believe TIME has missed a qualificaton word by a
>careless editor or writer.  :-(
>
If that is an error, then Time did it in purpose. After you've read the
whole article, you know why.
>
>    Eddie

Tingli Pan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20917 soc.culture.taiwan:11193
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (get questions clear)
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:05:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china

stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

>In Deng's heart, he is doing something to make up what Mao messed up.
>The great Mao even wanted to fight a nuclear war with the US. The people
>mountain people sea could not resist US weapons, how could this again
>used to resist nuclear war?  He was willing to sacrifice 50% of Chinese.

Mao wanted to fight a nuclear war with US ? Don't be a hero
worshipper of US. Steven. Did China want to fight the Korean
war in 1953 ? and the Indian war ? Who initiated the massacare
of Chinese in Indonesia ? Who oppressed Sun-Yat sen in his
revolution ? Who humiliated China before Mao ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:48:22 GMT

In article <0095E008.424B9EA0@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
>>
>>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
>
>    I know Tsinghua has a indoor swiming pool even in 50's. Imagine how many
>luxury hotels in China, most of them have indoor swimming pool. 


	Seems that we are heading the right direction in this thread...  :-)  
I received a msg. this morning from a netter who pointed out that the
mistake may be that what TIME meant is China has only 60 Olympic standard
sized swimming pools.  I don't know about the fact on this one, but seems
reasonable to me...

	I tend to believe TIME has missed a qualificaton word by a
careless editor or writer.  :-(


    Eddie
From: yeb@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao Vs Deng (incident)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:34:14 GMT
Reply-To: yeb@egr.msu.edu ()
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: yeb@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <l6ohmqINN60s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>

>Mao  disliked Chinese culture, a ten year long culture revolution had
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^? This is definitely wrong. Mao's profound
Chinese culture knowledge is no comparision for most Chinese.

>destroyed many things in China.
>Deng disliked Chinese culture, because it was destroyed.
>Mao had no talent, no contact to western.
Mao has talent but his talent wasn't properly used.

>Deng once a while was together with Chow in Frence worked illegally
>under the name of foreign study. Deng visited some countries in
>Europe. 
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: sonford@milton.u.washington.edu (Sonford Yuen)
Subject: Re: Fundamental problem of China (Was Re: after 1997...)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:37:43 GMT

>>From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang):
>>
>>To tell you the truth, I'd like to see these two methods exchanged between
>>China and Eastern Europe.  The Chinese people are much more sharp-minded
>>and eager to find and take advantage of new opportunities.  They are also
>>more willing to accept what environment the govt creates and cause less
>>unrest.  They should be able to build up a new system to replace the old
>>one quickly.

I'm sorry that I must totally DISAGREE with you in this point. 

Yes, Chinese are more willing to accept the environment the govt creates,
but it doesn't mean that they can build up a new system, on the contrary,
they are much less adapted to any changes (that's why they want to be   
stable and less unrest) and from the history, it's not difficult to find   
that nearly every political change in China resulted in a corresponding
instability and devastation to the society.

If you want to know more about this, please let me recommend a book
to you called "The fundamental structure of China culture" (I hope
the translation is appropriate).

The above view is from historical and a bit philosophical, but even
from reality, I can't fall into line with your pt as well.

If the Communist Party falls, who (or which) will run the country?
It's common to every communist country, and amongst those China is 
the most dangerous one for there's NO (not rare, but just NO) mature
political party or even organizations, well there're many political
organizations and maybe some parties in the future, but none of them
is mature. Actually, I've some experience cooperating with some of them,
it seems to me Chinese (including me as HKer) are so in lack of the sense
of cooperation, obidience to the rules........I can surely say that 
if Communist Party falls down tommorrow, there'll only be another
authoritarian regime leading China.

So, don't be over-optimistic to our country, and ourselves. 
                                      

Sonford
(Seattle)
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 4 Chuan and China
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:27:50 GMT

Chou1 wrote:
============================
In article <9207061708.AA23491@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          1. Somebody mentioned that:
>
>          " 4 chuan becomes scrumbled first, then the country; 4 chuan
>          heals first, then the country."
>

I believe the original proverb means Shu
 Xian Tian Xia Zhi Luan Er Luan
 Hou  Tian Xia Zhi Le   Er Le.
============================

What Tuya said is a modified version of

TianXia Wei Luan Shu Xian Luan,
TianXia Yi Zhi Shu Hou Zhi.

However, after the CR, Sichuan was one of the first provinces to get
"Zhi", so Tuya revised the old saying. While Chou1's version may be
revised from Lao Fan4's: 
 Xian Tian Xia Zhi Yu Er Yu

But I've never heard Chou1's revision before.
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul23.170536.17565@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rsanders@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>>>the moral, intellectual and ecoconomic superiority of China over every other
>>>country in the world, regardless of the issue at hand:
>>
>>Let me answer the questions for Shi Chunde
>>
>>>
>>>1.  What has kept you from returning to China?
>>
>>He never said he would not return to China. Qian XieSheng, the
>>father of Chinese rockets Long March series, stayed in USA for
>>more than 20 years and was a professor in MIT before he returned
>>to China. On the time he left USA, the Secretary of State said
>>he was worth a division of army. Prof Qian has proven that he
>>is worth more than it.
>>
>>How much Shi Chunde will be worth when he returns to China?
>>I guess more than 1 division of army.
>>
>>>
>>>2.  What possible attraction does the US have for you?
>>
>>His university needs him and employed him. This is the reason
>>for him to stay.
>>
>>>
>>>Please do not get the impression that I am asking you to leave.
>>
>>Well, maybe, you are afraid of another division of army will
>>leave USA and join China.
>>
>>>
>>>Robert Sanders
>>
>>J Chen
>>Department of Chemistry
>>University of Michigan
>
>
>I am sorry that you don't realize that I am merely asking a personal question
>of Shi Chunde.  Please don't speak for other people.  It seems that s/he must
>be terribly unhappy here.  I don't see why the discussion must deteriorate into
>virulent harangues about your rocket scientists being brighter and more
>talanted than my rocket scientists.  BTW, if you want to get anything
>meaningful from your stay here other than the Ph.D. degree try to stop dividing
>the world into an us/them dichotomy.  You might be surprised to discover that
>Chinese and "foreigners" (be they Americans, Indians, Japanese, Kenyans,
>Egyptians, etc.) share a heck of a lot in common.  We all share the same
>emotions, have the same goals, the same dreams, and the same fears.
>
>I'm not interested in turning this posting into a public forum for flame
>fighting.  If you feel compelled to answer this, feel free to contact me
>directly at my e-mail address.
>
>Robert Sanders
>

apparently you haven't follow jchen's posting closely.
this guy is a delusioned ultranationalist who has in
his spare time devised a military plan to invade tawan
and will not for a minute hesitate to nuke anybody in
the world if he thinks he can get away with it. the
only problem is he is a nobody here although he has vowed
in public that he will one day just do the things he says
he'll do, provided he is in the position to do it. but
for right now, he'll just have to entertain us with his
enormous stupid ego.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:32:50 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260


              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."

I have seen many translations, Little Hu's translation has the
literary merit but the original meaning is alterred. Old Lix's
translation is close to truth, but only close. 

What the original verses mean is this:  

Rivers and Mountains are still stuck on the earth, 
while it spins around its axis  one cycle per day. 

The verses emphasize on the fact that eventhough the earth spins, the
rivers and mountains are not thrown away. They will be if the earth
spins too fast, I presume. 

I hope this helps. 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21471 rec.sport.olympics:1710
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:42:11 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <fortony.712477195@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>I understand you're angry for some reason, but statements like these
>make you look like a complete fool in public, like that fellow who
>said the U.S. was bad for bringing HIV to Olympia.  

I fully agree with you.  BTW, does anyone happen to know the U.S. policy
about allowing HIV infected people to enter the country.  And does anyone
have the e-mail address of the luxury suit/ concentration camp where our
Hatian guests are staying.

Regards, 

j n a
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhangx@acsu.buffalo.edu (Xuguang Zhang)
Subject: test
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:05:59 EDT

test, sorry.
GO CHINA OLYMPIC TEAM!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Subject: One suggestion... read talk.politics.china
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:38:10 GMT


It seems that the effort for lobbying the protection bill is not reported
well in this news group since most of the postings were limitted to 
talk.politics.china.

I suggest that the concerning parties read that news group.  

Another point I want to make it clear is that the new comers, CSS coming to
US after 90/4/11, are not victimized by this bill.  

Tao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: szhang@sbgrad1.cs.sunysb.edu (ShiPei Zhang)
Subject: French visa for Chinese students [help]
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:22:47 GMT

Greetings,

Does anybody know how to apply for an entry visa into France? I am currently
a Ph.D. student studying in the US on an F-1 visa and I happen to have the
chance to go to France this October to attend the FORTE'92 conference. What
are the procedures involved in obtaining a visa into France just to attend
a four-day conference? Any info is greatly appreciated.

Email to szhang@sbcs.sunysb.edu is preferred. Thanks in advance.

Shipei Zhang
Dept. of Computer Science
SUNY Stony Brook, NY 11794


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: National Pride? 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:48:45 GMT

In article <Bs7qqK.7qI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> All these are pure speculation and nonsense. You are extending your
|> logic based on unfounded accusation. In fact, I think it is very
|> insulting.

Unfounded?  Actually all those mentioned by Mr. Jiang do exist, and right in
China.  These are not even secret for ordinary people, let alone LP's... :) :) :)

Read the book "Qiang(strong) Guo(nation) Meng(dream)" by Zhao Yu, please.  
What he revealed is still part of the blackhole.

Besides, there WERE Chinese athletes punished because of drug abuse.
Can you deny that? 

|> Forget about national pride and whatever, you are pouring
|> dirt on innocent people. The wrong doing is not found on Zhuang Yong
|> and Lin Li but you. You are casting random and arbitrary accusation
|> on innocent people. That is extramely outrageous.

Actually he didn't claim Zhuang Yong or Li Ling used steriod. I didn't either.
(As a matter of fact, Zhuang Yong was NOT examined this time anyway.) 

All he said is just his suspicion, like what you had done on Dr. Huang's case 
against NJIT. And he has his reasons, too. :) :)
Simply like that. 
So you don't have to be outrageous. :)

National Pride?   Haha, let's look into this case:
In one of the World Table Tennis Competition, China's woman athlete He
Zhili was forced to lose by her Chinese coach  under the name "national
interests" or "national pride".   She didn't obey but won the championship.
However she was still punished afterwards.

National pride? Give me a break!  I DO NOT BELIEVE! wo3 bu4 xiang1 xing4!


|> 
|> >We are not here to laugh at them.  We feel sorry for them.  We do
|> >not like to see that they have to sacrify their bodies, marriage
|> >and family lives to satisfy our selfish pride (more of A-Q pride).
|> 
|> No one appreciate your sympathy. Will you appreciate my sympathy
|> to you because you wife probably had affair with another guy? Your
|> sympathy is not sympathy, but very intruding speculation and
|> outrageous illusion. You are a very bad guy.

First of all, among Chinese athletes, drug abuse do exist!  That is
an undeniable truth.  I do feel stmpathy for those athletes who, in
most of the cases, are forced to take it for "national pride".
 
Second, your personal attack like "You are a very bad guy." is just
as cheap as the "national pride". 

Third, I am sympathy on you.  Why?  

|> >The meaning of Olympic is not for the medal, not for our selfish
|> >pride and not for cruel body abuse, but rather for the upward
|> 
|> The medal certainly has nothing to do with you. You have already
|> had too much. You are mean.

Cheap personal attack.  Give some evidence, Please.
From: suy@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Shui-Long Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: only a test
Date: 23 Jul 1992 13:53:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

This is only a test. Please ignore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china