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In rec.pets.herp, pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:

[ Stuff deleted ]

> Albino, anerythristic, amelanistic and most other color and pattern mutants 
> are caused by genes that are recessive to the gene for wild type (= normal 
> = standard) at the same location.  Genes are paired because the chromosomes 
> are paired.  Homozygous means that the pair of genes are the same.  
> Heterozygous means the pair of genes are not the same.  A heterozygous 
> albino Burese has one albino gene paired with a normal gene.  Because albino 
> in Burmese is recessive to normal, a heterozygous albino looks normal.  You 
> know it is carrying that one albino gene if 1) one parent was homozygous 
> albino, or 2) it has been mated with either a heterozygous or homozygous 
> albino, and one or more babies were albino.
> >

[ Stuff deleted ]

> > FOR SALE: Burmese pythons: Albino 50% probable hetero for green, albino,
> >           hetero for albino 50% probable double hetero, hetero for albino,
> >           hetero for green 50% probable double hetero. All available now....
> 
> This guy has been messing with both green (patternless) and albino.
> 
> The way to get a 50% probability for the green mutant is to mate a homozygous
> normal to a heterozygous green.  Here's the Punnett square, where + means
> the normal gene and gr means the green gene:
> 
> Parent 1 gametes:     |   +   |   gr  |
>                     -------------------
> Parent 2 gametes:   + |  ++   | +/gr  |
>                     -------------------
>                     + |  ++   | +/gr  |
>                     -------------------

[ etc ]

Alright. I'm sorry I asked.... I thought maybe there was a *simple* answer.
Oh well. Guess I need to go home and dig up my "Gene Theory" books.

> Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu

Much thanks for your response - Some day I'll understand it.

Dave Ruska          daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com
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From: bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy)
Subject: Re: Horny young iguana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 04:41:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul22.205503.1079@u.washington.edu> stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:
>Has anyone ever seen behavior like I'm about to describe?  I'm a bit
>concerned about my ig ig, Shep.  
...

>Last night he was roaming across the room and encountered a
>stuffed green iguana toy which I've had for a while, and with which
>is familiar.  It's probably three times his size, but he jumped
>atop the thing and immediately turned into a raging horn dog! 
...

>...  ...  ....  He was biting, clawing, and grinding away for all he was
>worth.
...

>So, what's up?  

I'm no expert but I do have some experience to relate.  I was ig sitting 
for T-REX a couple of years ago and I frequently let him and Juanita
roam around.  Once I caught them fighting violently and T was obviously
winning.  Well of course it wasn't until I interrupted them (by getting 
within five feet), that I realised it was amore in the air.

The reason I'm telling you all this is cause till this day,  I'm am
T-REX's worst enemy.  He hates me and goes nuts if I come anywhere
near him.  I've apologized again and again to no avail.  

Whatever you do, don't bother Shep in his ecstacy.

-mark
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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:35:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>>There are striped mutants of Corns too.

>Advanced Vivarium Systems has a pamphlet on the colors and patterns in 
>corn snakes.

I think that's probably the one I got.  Hideously overpriced, but then,
it's a small market.

>it.  My first impression is the pictures are excellent but the genetics is 
>a bit lacking.

The pictures are indeed excellent, but my amelanistic is cuter than theirs 8^)
I skimmed the genetics and everything seemed well, although perhaps not worded
in the best way.  I guess that can happen when one has to write for a
potentially clueless audience.


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From: mojo@reed.edu (a phenomenally expensive broiled rutabaga)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: hognose update
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:57:48 GMT
Organization: Earth Coincidence Control Office


Be careful with nice warm heat rocks; some of them get VERY hot and can
cause nasty thermal burns.

I don't know about hognoses in particular, but with some species you can sex
a snake by inspection (corn snakes, for instance, have pretty dramatic
differences in the proportions of the tail).  In general, though, you gotta
use a sexing probe---a little instrument of destruction which, when inserted
CAREFULLY into the snake's vent, will either enter the retracted hemipenes
(if they're there, in which case your snake is obviously male) or not
(female).  This should NOT be done by anyone with ANY doubt about whether
they know what they're doing!  A decent exotics vet or a reptile dealer
should be able to do it.

Details vary; all I know about for sure is ball pythons, where the probe
goes about 3 subcaudal scales into a female and 6 scales into a male.

	NT
	
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          Nathan Tenny     mojo@reed.BITNET       ...tektronix!reed!mojo        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Can you walk a little faster?" said the whiting to the snail.
"There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail."
	- the Rev. Dodgson, of course
From: dunn@bbwolf.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeffie)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Horny iguana update
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:48:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbwolf

(Steve Poole) writes:
>
>Someone made a few strange assertions in this thread, those being
>that iguana iguana isn't sexually mature until 5 years and that
>juvies are sexually dimorphic.  False on both counts; 2 to 3 years
>is normal, and even adults can't be positively sexed without
>probing or hemipenal eversion.  Pet store owners who suggest that
>dewlap size in a hatchling is relevant should probably be treated
>warily.

Strange, indeed.  In fact, while at the East Bay Vivarium (SF Bay area),
we noticed that the females seemed to have *bigger* dewlaps.  Since they
have at least 10 ig igs of various ages (not including hatchlings), we
asked if this was a trait of females.  The attendants told us that this 
was not the case -- it's purely an individual trait.  The jowls, however,
do generally get much larger on males.  I have been very impressed with
the people at the EB vivarium.  Excellent selection of lizards, and all the
animals seem to be healthy.

Which leads to another question: has anybody heard about making gravel
available to iguanas for consumption?  We brought home a hatchling 8 months
ago, and I have not heard this before.  I think perhaps I should throw
that particular book out.

-jjd
jeff.dunn@eng.sun.com
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Subject: Re: Taming a beast  NOT!!!!
From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:09:53 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Summary: tame soon enough

In article <srh3.712185303@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
>Hi all.  I just got back from visiting a camp in Missouri where one of the 
>counselors had a nice snake collection.  It included a 5 foot king snae
>a pretty copperhead, and a rat snakeamong others.  He was about to let the specimens go and asked me if I would like one.  I told him sure.  I chose a small  approx. 1' long hog-nosed snake.
>
>I know these reptiles are the bluffers of the reptile world and the moment 
>I get near him he is gonna poop and puke and pee all over everything. 
>
>What is the best way to go about hand-taming one of these.  Do you do
>it a little bit at a time by letting him get accustomed to you or do you
>just grit your teeth and start handling him from the get-go???  All the 
>other snakes I have handled have been tamed already, but since I am a 
>zoology major I guess I gotta learn sometime
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Steve
>
>--
>srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.
>
>Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh


By all accounts, the great bluffing hog-nose loses all its goofy behavior
fairly quickly in captivity.  If it spits, hisses, plays dead, etc., get it
on video.  You won't see it very much.  As far as pee-pee and doo-doo, it may
still do that.  My Cal. king is the "king" of doo-doo.  She has no problem
with soiling anyone who touches her.  Smells baaaaaadd.		

-- David


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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Boa questions
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:04:59 GMT

lemke@verbosa.ncd.com (David Lemke) writes:

>Natasha is a 3 foot B. C. Imperator.  Saturday i Fed her 3 mice, 2 live
>(treat) and 1 dead (frozen).  Monday she spat them back up.  The book
>(Philippe de Vosjoli's (sp?) _Red-Tailed Boas_) says its usually due
>to oversize prey, or possbly temperature.  I've fed her this many mice
>several times before with no problems, so I don't think its too much food.
>The temperature hasn't been varied much.  What other causes are there?
>I had been handling her for several hours at the time, and she'd had
>a swim just before that.  Will they act like other creatures and get
>motion sickness?  Should i worry (even more)?  She seems pretty happy
>today (the next day).  Should i feed her again immediately, or wait till
>the normal time?


In general, it is not normal or a good sign if your snake hurls.  Not to mention
that it is one of the foulest sights I've ever beheld.  My guess is that either the 
frozen mouse was too cold or it was rotten.  That or the snake was too cold.
I've never heard of motion sickness in herps, though that doesn;t mean it 
can't happen.  WHat are you doing, anyhow?  

As to her next feed, I'd warm her up for a few days and try again.  It will
do her no harm at all to fast for a few weeks, never mind a few days.

>i'm also curious about feeding regimens.  is there any real reason to
>feed one rat instead of the equivalent number of mice?  (other than 
>economic.)

Not really.  Some snakes have difficulty with food that's too small to get a good
grip on but other than that there should be no problem with smaller food items.

>is it possible to overhandle a snake?  i hold her at least a couple hours 
>each night, longer on weekends.

Yes.  Basically, handling does more for you than the snake.  IMO, a couple of
hours a day is too much.  Your mileage may vary.  After the snake has eaten
try leaving it alone for a couple of days so it can digest it's food.

>she also seems to have an aversion to water, which seems unusual. i never
>see her in her water bowl, and she doesn't much care for taking baths.
>i have seen her drinking, so she gets what she needs, but isn't this a
>bit wierd?

No.  Some snakes like to soak and swim, some don't.   You can lead a snake to
water but you cant make it stay in?  I wouldn't worry about this.
 
>i'd appreciate any comments...

Careful, you may get more than you bargain for. :-)
>-- 
>Dave Lemke				lemke@ncd.com
>Network Computing Devices, Inc.
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Heating methods?
Summary: Heat only _part_ of the tank!
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:11:40 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

As Bill Zandrew indicates, the way to keep reptiles from getting overheated
is to heat only _one_ end of the tank.  They regulate their temperature by
moving to whatever area suits them at any particular time.

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From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: My Iguana Won't Eat!
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:00:29 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <0eP70S600VpOAj1GVi@andrew.cmu.edu>, mb5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Miyoko
Erika Baensch) writes:
>a couple of other foods to try feeding your iguana (favorites of my
>friends ig):
>tofu
>scrambled or fried egg
>chopped spinach
>bread dipped in milk
>be sure to supplement your ig with calcium and vitamins!
Iguanas tend not to eat when they are too cold.  How warm is its environment?
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Bargains (was Re: help on sailfin dragon)
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:51:10 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

In article <1992Jul20.105924.28396@seq.uncwil.edu> cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
>srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
>
>>When you say $2.5K do you mean 2500$$$$??????????
>
>	Yes, $2500 is the figure I meant.
>
>>This must not be the lizard I have  heh heh
>>I paid $45 for it les than an iguana
>
>	Or you got an INCREDIBLE bargain!!!!  :-)

Who out there has gotten bargains through pet store misidentifications?

I personally got a nice big Tiger salamander for under $5, because it was
labelled as a "Central newt".  I argued briefly with the store owner, and
then with my conscience clear and him still assuring me it was a Central
newt, I bought it.  Tiger salamanders usually go for more like $15-$20.
(At least they did in 1987 when I bought it.  It's still doing fine BTW.)
I later returned with a field guide, showed him the pictures and the
max measurements of the two species (it's *really* hard to confuse these
two species) and he finally agreed (hah, too late.)

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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Snake color morphs ?
Keywords: colors white alligators
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:22:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.155821.12857@dvorak.amd.com> melanie@cayman.amd.com 
(Melanie Typaldos) writes:
>Along the lines of color variations, I was recently in New Orleans
>and saw the white alligators.  These are really beautiful animals!
>They are a solid, milky white with no color pattern at all.  As
>I recall they have dark, possibly blue, eyes.  What is this
>color morph called?  Is the coloring in alligators governed in
>the same way that it is for snakes?  (After all, these may all
>be reptiles but they're not very closely related.)

The dark eyes and no trace of a remnant pattern sounds like the leucistic
mutant in the Texas rat snake, _Elaphe_obsoleta_spiloides_, and the
leucistic mutant in the ball python.  The ball python's leucistic mutant
was named to follow the similar type in the Texas rat.  I'd probably call
the white alligators leucistic, too.  I have not heard whether anyone
has worked out and published the genetics of these alligators.  If so, I
haven't seen the article.

Present convention in genetics is to give a mutant a one-word, fairly
descriptive name.  Get out your thesaurus and look up all the synonyms for
white.  Off the top of my head, besides leucistic, I can think of white, 
ghost, snow, blanched, milk, ivory, and even albino, though albino is a 
poor choice, IMHO.  Work out the genetics, name the mutant, and publish;
that will establish the name in the scientific literature.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Green tree pythons + Diamon & Carpet
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:20:24 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <1992Jul21.154354.11206@news.iastate.edu>
pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:

>>	3)  Carpet pythons (spilotes variegata)
>
>Of the three listed species, these are the ones to get.
>
>IMHO, a good corn or boa constrictor is a better pet than the carpet python 
>and *far* superior to the green tree python.

        You should have told him to get a mangrove snake.  Very pretty -
        only mildly poisonous - a perfect pet!  ;-)
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Congratulate me!
Summary: Hatching a green anole egg...
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:16:28 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I've just successfully hatched a green anole (Anolis carolinensis) egg.
This was done as follows:

Immediately after being laid, the egg was picked up and placed in a baby
food jar on a substrate of slightly damp vermiculite.  The jar had a tiny
hole in the top for ventilation.  

I then put the jar in a corner of my terrarium, at a temperature of about
75 to 78 F.  Throughout incubation, there was just a bit of moisture
condensing on the inside of the glass jar, which is how I knew it hadn't
dried out.

This morning I went and looked at the egg and said to myself, "Oh, no, the
egg has collapsed."  But then I noticed a small lizard running around
beside it.

The baby lizard is surprisingly large (maybe 1/4 of adult size) and mature-
acting.  He has now been offered lots of water droplets and fruit flies.
I've been told not to worry if he doesn't eat for a while.  The fruit flies
are just the right size for him to feast on.  The water is probably going to
be vitamin supplemented soon.

This fellow is apparently the child of "Big Greenie," a green anole that I
caught in August 1987 (yes, he's been with me 5 years, and was a year old
when I caught him).  Big Greenie seems to be in his final decline now, so
it's good that he has offspring.

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From: mundy@chemvx.tamu.edu (Dr. Stubby)
Subject: Re: I just thought I'd say hi
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Sex Studies Division, Texas A&M Univ.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:59:00 GMT

In article <gm43704@pro-haven.cts.com>, warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin) writes...
>In <1992Jul22.160027.25546@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
>kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
> 
>>BTW Fafnir's birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks-- anyone who's
>>been waiting with baited breath for the growth/weight/shed chart on
>>her, all will be published then... :-)
> 
>        I'd be interested in that - I always wondered if my burm's growth
>        was normal or not.  Confused (that's her name) grew from 2' to 6'
>        in the first year that I had her.  After that, she's only grown
>        about 3' in the last two years.  Of course, for the last 1.5 she's
>        been brain-dead, due to a weird/funky disease or orther malady that
>        she caught around Christmas time 1.5 years ago - she can't feed
>        on her own and can only barely shed and drink.  The vets were stumped,
>        and I've seen several, including some snake specialists at the Vet
>        School here.  They were thinking it was paramixovirus (sp?), but
>        the symptoms don't quite match up, and the only test they have for
>        it is post-mortem!  Anyhoo, other than the above and lack of awareness
>        and neck-control, she's as healthy as a horse.  I kept on thinking
>        she'd die of whatever-it-was, especially if it was paramixo (no
>        snake with that has lived, to my knowledge), but it looks like she'll
>        live forever and ever.

sssssssssssssssssssex

BTW, Bob grew that much in his first year, but it's really been a lack of funds
and sexual contact that's kep thim at his present 6.5 ft level. So I don't 
think Fused is all that abnormal. Except that brain thing.

Damn shame too. We could've had lots of little ones crawling around by now
otherwise.

Guess I'll have to buy my own female.









					---- The Cunning Linguist

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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: Turtle tank
Summary: Magazine mail order
Keywords: mail order, mags
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:30:45 GMT


I forgot to ask one more question. I've heard that stuff like I need can be
mail ordered, but I've also heard that the mags at the store don't have near
the number of ads that the subscribers get in their version. is that true?
it's really silly if it is. I wouldn't mind saving some money on this stuff,
since i have to buy several things pretty soon.


jam
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From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Heating methods?
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:39:54 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Jul17.153723.17233@tamsun.tamu.edu>, dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
(Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.065937.27024@equalizer.fps.com> wayne@fps.com (Wayne
Licht
>e) writes:
>>[A recommendation for heating tape/strip]
>
>Is it possible for a heating-strip-gone-wrong to *overheat* the tank to
>the point that it would harm the animals?  I believe my leopard geckos
>are comfortable to at least 92 F or so (I *think* - correct me if this
>is wrong), so if it gets a little warm, that'd be OK.   I just don't
>want a good slow bake of my new pets.
>
>Daryl
>
>-- 
>Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    dlb5404@rigel.tamu.edu  or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
>        "You're not messy.  You're organizationally impaired."
>                _Real_Life_Adventures_, July 3, 1992 
Once again I will sing the praises of hot rocks.  They seem to keep the
HTe@6g%A`xI<2MtxHEPU'  r [5Hna*y$=<;<@FRPZ;;(wB/_temperature constant, and hav

bonkers.  
        By the way, how much luck are you having with the geckos.  They are the
coolest things I've ever seen, but have heard they are hard to keep.
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