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From: catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:40:42 GMT

Distribution: World

In article <1992Jul18.030756.18349@ariel.ec.usf.edu> stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu  
(Gregory M. Stelmack) writes:
:The Amiga community is THRIVING here in Tampa, FL, and from e-mail discussions
:seems to be moving well in Texas. I work for an Amiga retailer, and was hired
:during a recent EXPANSION. System sales have picked up recently, despite all
:the talk of gloom and doom. Lots of third party companies have been releasing
:new Amiga products and revising old ones, including us. Commodore may be
:trying to kill the Amiga through inaction, but it definitely survives despite
:them.
:

Out in the provinces, however, just 80 miles north of Tampa (in SlOcala), the  
Amiga is falling flat on its (better than Apple & IBM) face.  Why?  Well, (1)  
the nearest dealer of CBM is in Gainesville, and (2) he doesn't have much  
stuff.  Why doesn't CBM either (a) try to recruit new dealers in middle-size  
markets (Ocala-Gainesville is about 1/2 million) or (b) start supporting  
mail-order dealers (I can hear the howls from real dealers from here)?  That  
leaves only one option.
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From: rb345@rbhp33.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:39:58 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

> Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon

Let's wait till they are available, and then you can compare.
Remember that you compare Hardware, OS and Software and then
we will see which one is better and sells better.

Bye, Matthias
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:13:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.002337.14136@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>What sort of person that could afford to pay the high prices for an
>OS/2 app wouldn't be willing to pay $500 more to go from a relatively
>wimpy $150 386sx-20 to a relatively hefty $650 486-33?  Think about it.
Or you can say from a wimpy 386SX25 $109 to a hefty 486SX20 for $199.00 or
even a 486-33DX for $499.00

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:32 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: I didn't know any OS's that had the option of running with or without MP?!
: Sure I did -- MS-DOS (plain or under OS/2 2.0)!  Read my article, please.
: 
: I don't know the difference between MP and no MP?!  I beg to differ.

You don't seem to get it, do you.  MS-DOS is NOT OS/2 without MP.

: I still say you were using shitty hardware if performance went down by that
: much.  It sure isn't so with x86 CPUs.

Ingenious.  How would you know?  Have you ever done any tests under an
operating system that had an option of running under MP or not?

I didn't think so.  And no, MS-DOS->OS/2 isn't the same thing.
Obviously.

Greg, replying to someone who obviously knows very little about hardware.

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:00:40 GMT

Ah ha!  A price for a 600HD!  US $500... plus $285 for a 1084S.

VS a 386dx-40 with no HD or video for $425, but everything else.

Competitive on power?  No.  But useability value, no.

Reasonable SVGA system, $350 for monitor, $150 for video card...

Reasonable PC HD system (IDE included in base price, controller)
85 megs, $230 dollars.

So, $1100-1200 for your PC.  Add $120 for SB if you want to run similar
type applications.

Machine more powerful, software base less sophisticated in many areas,
audio barely adequate, $500 more.

The 600HD should come with at least a 40 meg disk... so many people will
run out of room on that 20 meg so fast, CBM will be forced to do something,
and the third party upgrade market will run amuk.

I'd say, the 600 alone, is the better deal.  Then stick your own HD on it.

What is the retail price?

Thom
for the 600, sans HD
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Spelling misteaks (Was Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!)
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:12:31 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
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In article <1992Jul18.160721.20535@nmsu.edu> dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>I wonder about how much I should follow your advice here since you A:
>can't seem to recall when the Amiga came out (it certainly didn't come out
>in 1983!) and B: can't spell "give." Is your name really Dan?

Actually, whether or not I correct a spelling mistake depends upon what editor
I am using at the time.  For instance, on BIX, I never bother to correct
anything but the previous character; the editor is atrocious.

Glenn Doiron
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From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:56:19 GMT

pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:

>On a 286 machine, yes.  On a 386 machine, no.  You can have multiple DOS
>sessions and Windows sessions running concurrently.

   Yeah! BUT!!!!! A '386 isn't akin to a 68k processor, more like the '286
is comparable, external 16bit architectures, etc etc. I mean, the '386
has virtual modes and all than. If you are to keen to compare the '386
processor to something Motorola has, compare it to the '030, which is
much more similar, and also was released at about the same year or something
like that.

   COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES!!!

   Sure you can run a command line box in windows, BUT NOT ON A 286!!
Which is a similar processor to the amiga's (in age and physical design?)

have fun.

-Gus
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.191006.12968@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>How strange... Marc Barrett, the supergenius, seems to be confusing the
>hardware limitations of the Amiga with the quality of it's OS...

   On the Amiga, the two are very tightly interwoven, as you will see when the
new system(s) come out.

>Thom

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:29:28 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:

>>  In case you haven't noticed, foreign policy is not what this country
>>needs.  He's all but ignored the country, the environment and anything
>>else that matters to his constituency.

>Of course the US needs foreign policies.  Are you kidding?

  Dan, you can be almost charmingly literal at times, you know? ;-)

  Nowhere did I say that we should obliterate foreign policy, but it isn't
exactly something that occupies the first three slots in what I perceive to
be the real problems facing this country at the moment.

  1. Unchecked Nation Debt and no plan to curb it.
  2. Obscene trade imbalence with Japan.
  3. Out of control medical industry.

>Some people feel that a person's private life and personal, private
>decision are made by the same mind that makes public policies.

  By the same measure people are also allowed to form their own opinions.
Again, those opinions and the agendas that they often create should not be
allowed to interfere with people living their own lives.

>Well, Clinton does support a single-entity socialized education system.
>George Bush, on the other hand, has for long advocated the 'voucher
>system' in education.  This would allow the *natural* existence of 
>competition in Education.

  It should be immediately obvious that a competitive environment will lead
to almost total disfranchisment of the inner city as far as access to a decent
education is concerned.

  Remove the possibility for someone's child of a lower income class to learn
themselves out of the ghetto and you just might spark a revolution.

  I think we'd do better to focus on the factors that led to a decline in
a once functional education system then replace it with another.

>I welcome conservatism in Clinton's ideas.  I mean, he call himself a
>Democrat all day long, and I would like him for any of his conservative
>ideas _alone_.  Unfortunately, I don't think Clinton would live
>up to the 'moderate' status he has donned for the campaign if he 
>won the Presidency.

  Dunno what is worse (or better) 4 more years like the last 12 or 4 that
*could* be better...

  -jack-
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: ! Pournelle [sic] says that there is a new amiga !
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.215915.20050@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>hmm... didn't think of the A600 as a new machine... have been hearing
>about it for so long (year now)...

Not to mention the fact that in North America, it may never hit the shelves.

Mark

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From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OH MY GOD...I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:41:28 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul27.184043.23691@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> 
> 
> 	IBM must have released the 586, and lots of people must be out
> 	there eating floppy disks.
> 

You'll be waiting forever for IBM to release the 586 because Intel
makes the 80x86 line of CPU's.

> 
> 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:17:06 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>>
>>This is INSANE.  What CPU was this implemented on?  Did it have an on-board
>>MMU like the 386 or the 68030?  There's NO WAY those CPUs would experience
>>that much of a slowdown.  I have a 386, and DOS applications under OS/2
>>(full MP) don't run noticeably slower than they do under native DOS.
>>Benchmarks indicate a slowdown of a few percent, no more.
>
>That is not a valid comparison.  Running DOS applications under OS/2 involves
>a bit of trickery and memory protection is not fully utilized in this case.
>

Sure it is.  Normal DOS runs in Real Mode, where the addresses a program
generates are sent out directly to the CPU pins.  OS/2 runs DOS in Virtual-86
Mode, where the addresses a program generates are first sent through the
paging unit.  What's "not fully utilized" about this?  An OS/2 DOS session
cannot touch the memory of any other OS/2 process.  If that's not MP, please
tell me what is.

>
>I do suggest you review the basic concepts of memory protection via MMU.  The
>hardware itself is RARELY the cause of the slowdown.  At most with modern
>hardware you will see a wait state or two added to memory accesses (or perhaps
>an occasionally longer wait when a full table search is needed).  The slowdown
>is mainly seen in comparison to a non memory protected environment.  For 
>example, an OS which in a non-memory protected environment might be able to
>access system shared structures with ease, as could an application.  Under a
>standard memory-protected setup, the methods to gain access to such structures
>become more complicated, thus adding code and execution time.  Add that up if
>many such structures are in use originally, and you see quite a slowdown from
>this extra effort.
>

I think I understand what you're saying here.  It seems to me that you believe
that adding MP to AmigaDOS would slow it down significantly due to the design
of the OS and the things that would have to change in the OS, not due to the
hardware scheme used to implement the actual address space separation.

>
>Memory protection on a 68000 is possible, though complex at best.
>

Not without an external MMU.

>
>             LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Whassa 32-bit OS?  (was Re: Amigas are coool)
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:38:19 GMT

In article <50915@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <36173@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>>Just curious... is AmigaDOS 2.0 a 32 bit OS?
>>Just curious...  I've only got a MS in computer science so before
>>I finish my PhD, could someone tell me what a 32 bit OS is?
>
>	An operating system that can fit and run completely in 32 bits
>(4 bytes) of space.  One well-known example is BS/2, the operating system
>used for in-house development at BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED.

No, no, no, you're all missing it.

The Barretts have had their go - Marc thinks that a 32-bit OS is one that can
do 32-bit graphics (not that pissy 24-bit, mind you), while Dan is convinced
that it's how much memory space it needs.

Close guys, but the real definition is how many different bits the OS is made
out of.  Like, for AmigaOS, we have the exec bit, the intuition bit, the
AmigaDOS bit, the Workbench bit, etc.  In a *real* OS, you get a separate
manual for each separate bit.  So, it's obvious that most mainframe OSs have a
lot more than 32 bits (ever see a shelf of VM/CMS manuals?).  With the Amiga
it's not so obvious, because Commodore make you buy extra manuals for the bits
most people don't see, like Libraries and Devices.

So, yeah, I'd say AmigaOS has at least 32 bits.  Anyone counted?


P.S.  :-)  :-)   ;-)


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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Proposal: comp.sys.amiga.barrett
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:44:52 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Jul27.031403.15883@regina.cs.uregina.ca> gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>So when is BLAZEMONGER III coming out?

	BLAZEMONGER III???  That ancient thing?  It came out over a year
ago.  To quote from late 1990:

:Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
:Subject: New BM (was Re: WHERE THE HELL ARETHE 2.0 ROMS FOR THE 2000 AND 500? Mars???)
:
:	BLAZEMONGER III will be ready Real Soon Now.  It features more
:graphics, more speed, more sound, more speed, and more SPEED than ever
:before.  And did I mention MORE SPEED?  The game is SO FAST that we
:weren't even able to *write* "BLAZEMONGER II" -- it leaped off the disk
:and into the upper atmosphere before we could catch it!!

	Start saving up your pennies for BLAZEMONGER '93, which will come
out early next year.  It will touch-screen compatibility so you can actually
(ugh) TOUCH those slimy creatures on the screen.  And, of course, they can
touch YOU....

>I booted up BLAZEMONGER yesterday expecting the usual GAME OVER screen but
>instead the computer shut itself off.  Whats wrong?

	The problem is that yesterday you posted an article disagreeing with
my criticism of the Apple PowerBook.  Our "Customer Service" department got
pissed off and axed your warrantee.

                                                        Dan

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From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Well, Jerry Pournell says that there is a new amiga
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:07:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul25.220732.13757
Distribution: comp
Organization: Middle Ages House of Gruel

In article <1992Jul25.212141.19442@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Umm... is this a *new* Amiga, or is he just saying, like he did with the
>TT, that he just bought a 3000, and he'll tell us about it next month.
>

Or maybe he's been inspired by the recent obituary in the Silicon Valley
newspaper to write his own image mulching smear when it can do most damage. :-)

He might still be in mourning over Big Kat... hard to say.

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From: simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Keywords: A4000, new, Amiga
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:41:57 GMT
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Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Jul28.043842.17143@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:
>This is typed from the _AMIGA news_ newspaper, volume 1 no. 7.
>
>			The A4000
>		The Scoop on Commodore's Newest!
>			 by Anon
>
>I've been chomping at the bit to speak out and right now I just don't care
>about the non-disclosure agreement.  We have been beta-testing the A4000 and
>another model which may be called the A1000 Classic, A800, or possibly some
>other name.  Both are based on the AA chipset and should be able to hold their
>own against other machines on the market, but there are still a few areas where
>they are lacking.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
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In article <3397@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>   Dunno what is worse (or better) 4 more years like the last 12 or 4 that
> *could* be better...
>

What if you are convinced that 4 years of Clinton would be far worse than
Carter's 4 and Bush's 4 combined?  Don't vote for Clinton is the obvious
answer.  That's how I feel.  If I don't vote for Bush, which is a definite
thing if he drops Quayle (spineless move, IMO), I vote libertarian and stay
away from Clinton - as far away as possible.

>   -jack-

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