HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Relationships
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:22:01 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep11.181213.11646@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, 
st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:

> And I like the one between Shelly and Holling--they're not worried about 
> P.C., they're perfectly happy admitting that they love each other for their 
> bodies and that they're horny as hell.

Sorry, gotta disagree with you strenously on this one.

It's true that Shelly and Holling are not shy about expressing their physical 
attraction, especially Shelly.  But this is *not* the reason they love each
other.  That would be a pretty shallow relationship, and not one I'd expect to
see on NEXP.  Don't you think that they truly care about each other?  That
they make each other happy regardless of their difference in age?

Now the friskiness is just an added reason...  :^)

(Btw: What does saying you're horny have to do with being Politically Correct?
I think alot of people are throwing around that phrase without understanding)

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
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From: stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Organization: ingr
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:04:17 GMT

Mark W. Poole writes:
>
>The "Twin-Brother" thing with Chris just doesn't make it for
>me...I hate it.

I love it.  Especially when they are having the same dream and just knowing
what the other is thinking and about to say.  I think the acting between
these two guys is superb.  You definitely get a sense of some larger
cosmic "whole" that these two fellows are forever caught up in.

~~~Todd Stevens~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com~~~
      "So you put two and two together, and came up with twenty-two."
                        - Dr. Fleischman to Shelly
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Relationships/Characters/Episodes
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:37:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: are you sure?

In article <1992Sep10.182806.20781@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ronald.Bollschweiler@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ronald Bollschweiler) writes:
[...]
>Although I like Joel,
>I would not stop watching the show if he leaves.  He will be leaving
>after his time is up anyway.  


Are you sure about this?  It sure seems to me that Joel is feeling
more a part of the community of Cicely as the show evolves.  In
fact, that's one of the continuing plot lines in the show, and one
of the wonderful things about NEXP.  You take this uptight, snobby,
obnoxious New York doctor and put him in with an eclectic, eccentric
and altogether egalitarian town, and he begins to change (slowly).
He is clearly now more of the community than he was in the show's
first season, and I expect that relationship to continue to grow.
Maybe, Joel will decide to stay in Cicely, as he finds that having 
a happy life is worth more than fame and money.  But, even if he
does end up leaving, he will leave a better person.

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
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From: bloom-debbie@CS.YALE.EDU (Deborah Faith Berman)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?
>
>Curious,
>
>Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)
>
I love the show because I think it's very well-written and different
from most things on tv.  I particularly like Marilyn, Maggie, Ruth-Ann,
and the one who plays the young, naive guy who makes movies (for some
reason, his name escapes me.  I haven't watched for a while, because
it's been in repeats.)

Deb




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From: bcarl@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Brian Carl)
Subject: Joel vs. Maggie:  The Juno Experience
Originator: bcarl@ccscola
Organization: NCR, Cooperative Computing Systems Division, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:35:10 GMT

Something I've discussed with a few people at work and about, with
widely varying opinions.  Wondering what the net thought...

With regards to Joel's "handling" of the situation between himself
and Maggie after their trip to Juno:  was Maggie justified in her
anger at Joel?

To me, she seemed *way* out of line.  Having watched the concerned
episodes a second time just recently, I counted at least 2 times when
Joel attempted to "fess up", and Maggie would not let him speak.  Yet
she still has the gall to be pissed when he finally is allowed to
tell the truth.

Am I missing something as a Typical Male?  My curiosity comes mostly
from the fact that most of Joel and Maggie's arguments stem from their
sterotypical personalities clashing in an understandable manner, but
this one just seems whacked.

/brc


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From: witelski@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas Peter Witelski)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:18:47 GMT

stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:

>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the complete absence of children
>on this show?  Oh, there has been the occasional episode like the one
>about the baby being left in Joel's office.  I know this show is meant for
>adults, but a lot of us adults have to constantly deal with children.

>Why can't NE include some regular child characters?  Is the almost
>purposeful exclusion of kids the writers' way of allowing the adults to
>act more "childlike"?  Are they absent so that those of us who are parents 
>can completely forget about our own kids for awhile (maybe not a bad idea!)?
>Or is it because the NE writers have no experience with children?

>I believe the show could prosper with the inclusion of some children.  Maybe
>Adam and Eve will provide this to some extent (what a parental couple!!!).
>What do you think?

>Todd Stevens
>stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com

I would rather that the show not have any 'real' children. It would attract
the wrong kind of audience, It would lower the 'maturity level' of the
atmosphere, and it would probably mean that they would cut out some of the
scenes with references to sex ((when Holling and Maurice went to bury
their friend): 'Why, you know Shelley can eat a half gallon of ice cream
at once, i remember once after we, uh, eh..nevermind......') I think Shelley's
character offers enough of a young persons's view to give the show an
interesting balance  (isnt Ed supposed to be just out of HS also?)

Tom Witelski

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From: michaelp@strange.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Portz)
Subject: Newbie cause German Questions
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:10:11 GMT

Hi all,

this newsgroup is new at our site, as is Northern Exposure 
in German TV. So I would greatly appreciate a FAQ in this
newsgroup, as someone suggested yesterday, cause I dont want
to ask all those Newbie Questions like 'How many shows have
already been shown in the US', 'Will Joel and Maggie ever be
a couple', 'Havent I seen this and that actor in this and 
that other show', and so on. 

Happy watching
Michael Portz
From: bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Myers)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: episode list
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Myers)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: bmyers@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Does anyone know where I could download a list of episodes?
There's one for ST:TNG and it is very valuable to lable
VHS tapes.

Thanks,

Billy


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From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: Going To Extremes
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:26:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.145858.20182@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Mike.Peacock@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mike Peacock) writes:
>I caught the pilot episode of 'Going To Extremes' last Wednesday. Anybody else catch this and have any opinions ?
>
Yeah, I mentioned it a couple of days ago.  Really interesting.  I do like
the Tai Chi gentleman.  I think the show has promise.  I think the Founder
Dean relationship will be quite interesting.  It should be able to also
bring up some major concerns nowadays abouth doctors taught overseas.  I
know the U.S. is really trying to make it difficult for students taught
overseas to obtain residency in the U.S.  I should have a better opinion
later this week after the episode of the week.  It does remind me of my
"homeland".  I was born overseas and go back to visit my granparents 
every 3 years.  It brings back certain memories.  The show is quite vivid.

D-Poon
Vaya Con Dios
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From: mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man)
Subject: It on during football
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:44:00 GMT

	I love NE and so does my wife.  But monday night football is still on
when it airs at 9:00 PM here in Texas.  She wants to watch NE while I like
football (just a little better).  We record NE on the VCR but seldom get
time to view it and the tape eventually get erased.  Put this show on
another night so I can watch real TV and not those silly sit-coms.



I love it but----my football is a must!
From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:14:49 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

> Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
> of a particular character or set of characters?
> 
> Curious,
> 
> Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)
> 


I was drawn to the show because of the unusual use of surround sound and 
sound mixing done by Skywalker Labs.  Then I was hooked by the charracter 
'Chris.'
 

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:54:32 GMT

In article <11020@rls.UUCP> randy@rls.UUCP (randall l. smith) writes:

>I cannot stand the character
>Chris.  He is a smarmy know-it-all with more pop psuedo-intellectual
>name dropping than every Woody Alan movie put together.  It wouldn't be
>nearly so bad if he didn't go on and on and on and....  He quite simply
>can't shut up.  The character believes he knows everything.  He may use
>the words, "I don't know...", but then goes on to explain how every
>culture in the universe handles the same situation.

Oh, I couldn't disagree more.  Chris is not supposed to be a
stereotypical know-it-all -- he's supposed to be someone who really
does KNOW IT ALL.  Don't forget the circus episode (with the
unstoppable Bill Irwin as the Flying Man), in which Chris carried on
conversations for hours with the ex-physics-professor from UCLA, who
was unceasingly startled at his intelligence.

>As distainful as many of Maurice's attitudes and beliefs are, at least
>he stands for something.  Chris's ethics swing between hedonism and
>Spartanism in the course of a day.  He both respects and despises life
>in the same breath.  The cow flinging episode epitomises his mindless
>frivolity regarding innocent life and the hunting (with Fleshman)
>episode underlines his "whatever" attitude about wanton human destruction.
>He is, of course, a vegetarian and peace-nick.

And a felon at the same time?  Are you sure that you're not just
assuming that a character like Chris's would be a vegetarian as well
as everything else?  I don't recall either of these traits ever being
ascribed to him, and I specifically recall his eating meat in a number
of episodes.  I think you're way off course on this one.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:36 GMT

russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:

>Is he actually either of these?  I'm not denying it, but I don't recall
>him ever explicitly stating wars should never be fought; with all his
>talk of life and death and whatnot I could easily imagine him saying
>war is an inevitable part of the human experience.

Yeah. Chris just doesn't see the line between 'sacred and profane' that 
we Westerners are always so aware of...or, seeing it, kinda looks past
it...

jim p.
-- 
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Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
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From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:17:37 GMT

In article <3crnqkb.jaguar@netcom.com> jaguar@netcom.com (Ophelia) writes:

   But of course THE BEST episode is the one where Joel's twin brother
   changes places with him.  Every moment of the episode was a laugh!

I especially liked the scenes when Joel was dreaming that he was being
psychoanalyzed by Freud, the funniest one being when Freud fell asleep
during the analysis (which he did in real life).

	Penny

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From: shecht@lamar.ColoState.EDU (steven heckt)
Subject: music on show
Summary: Whose version of song 
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 16:32:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	Does anyone know whose version of " when i grow too old to
	dream" was used in an episode (to open and later to close before
	the theme song)? I believe this was last year. Thanks!
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: syndication? not yet
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:15:34 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University


>Someone asked in a post a while back -- the messages in this
>group have really poured in quickly -- when the show might be
>going into syndication.  Since no one else has answered the
>questions, this gives me a chance to contribute:

Someone said that they heard 100 episodes to be syndicated.
While that SOUNDS good, I'm not sure it's accurate. Since a
"season" is 13 weeks, this would mean that a show would have
to run more then 7 seasons to be syndicated.

The figure *I* had heard (and I can not vouch for it) is
3 complete seasons.  Certainly MORE shows makes it more
marketable ... but I distinctly remember hearing that
Paramont had struggled so HARD to produce that 3rd year
of the original Star Trek because with 3 you got syndication.
(Sorry ... it snuck up on me, and I had to use it.)
From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Going To Extremes
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:56:36 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

Mike.Peacock@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mike Peacock) writes:

> I caught the pilot episode of 'Going To Extremes' last Wednesday.
> It's hard to tell from just one show, but it definitely has possibilities.
> It is also obvious that it's from the same warped minds who brought us
> NX.  There is a Joel, a (potential) Maggie, and even a Chris (the guy on
> the beach doing Tai-Chi and who doesn't take notes because he memorizes
> everything).  Anybody else catch this and have any opinions ?
> 
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I saw the first episode and also thought that the show had potential, but 
the second episode just fell on its face.  I don't know what it was, but it 
just felt awful.  The direction was bad to.  The freeze frame at the end was 
tacky (they should have just let Kate and the kid fall off and land off 
camera).  But with characters like Kim, Dr. Croft, and the locals (like 
Ron), I still hold hope that something special will arise from this show, 
eventhough I can say that "Lover's Leap" was almost a stinker.  
 
Some other thoughts:  I am really glad they didn't have Dr. Norris say, 
"that's odd, the centrifuge wasn't working the last time I saw it." . . . I 
miss Dr. Norris' old hair cut (and the new one doesn't seem to look right on 
him).  I though it was kinda neet how he looked like a smaller version of 
Robert Parish.
 
As for there being a "Joel" on the show, I'd have to say no.  You would have 
to combine all the characters on the show (Collin's frestration, Charlie's 
anxiety, Alex's arogance, Sheryl's (?) withdrawl from society, and throw 
Kate for something (haven't figured her out, although her thing with Dan is 
like the second part of that Dear Joel letter).  Kate isn't strong enough to 
be a "Maggie," although she has a lock on the insecurity part.  Kim is a 
"Chris" and Dr. Hw{J(?D Jis a more pleasurable "maurice."
 

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From: a0s5109@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John K. Norcott)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:15:37 GMT

Well, I always thought that there were no children for the simple reason that
NO ONE IS HAVING SEX !!!

Other than Holling and Shelly, there are no long term relationships going
on, and I don't see Shell getting preggers in the near future <although
it would make a good episode or three>.

One of the things I've always liked about the show is that they explore
the bounds of relationships other that the standard lust based ones that
the rest of TV pumps out.  Even Joel and Maggie are exploring a very deep
relationship with each other without sex!  <They seem too aggrivated with
each other to be constantly lusting after each other, and the only time
anything happens is when both of their guards are down, so to spea>

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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: etc.
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:56:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

(precise chronology of "They Might be Giants deleted)
Yes but the essential question: Did they do "Toy Cows in Africa"?


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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: last names
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:26:26 GMT

Three surnames were missing from the FAQ. Ruthanne's last name is Miller,
Lt.Barbara's last name is Samanski or something like that. Chris' last name
is Stevens. That might be Bernard's last name too, since they share a dad,
but I missed the episode where they explained the family dynamics, so
Bernard might have his mom's last name. Hope that helps.
			Rosaleen Dhu
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From: mccla_d@crocus.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: Somebody DID Look At The Camera?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:59:29 GMT

Absolutely. And yes, it was Maggie. She may have in fact been looking to the
director (they frequently sit very near the camera) or possibly a prompter.
I suspect the former, and I also suspect she got a "keep rolling" sign.

ANyone know a source for the scripts?
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Best Episode...My 2 Cents
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:42:22 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


Everyone chirping in with their favorite episode got me to thinking.
My first favorite is easy...the one where the town held its first 
election.  I'm very cynical by nature and pretty immune to flagwaving, but
that episode mananged to make me feel very good and patriotic, if only
briefly.  

Second place is a lot harder, but some top episodes are: the package
around the world, the Jack London episode, the "ice man" episode (possibly
the most satisfying ending they've ever done), and the flashback to how
the town got its name.

But then again, with this show, I'm sure I left out lots of wonderful
scripts.  There are so many to choose from.

John
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From: bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:34:06 GMT

In article <5-rnvkl.dslee@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
>
>Since most of us saw just this episode tonight, I've got a
>pertinent question:  When did this show originally air?
>
>My SO says he thought he saw a copyright date of '89, but I can't
>believe NorEx was on the air in the 89-90 season. That would make
>last year's 91-92 season its third year. I'm very confused about
>when NorEx was first shown and its various statuses throughout
>the years (summer replacement, etc.). Any show historians out
>there are invited to clue me in!


    Since I didn't see any followups to this question, I'll post a quick
Northern Exposure history:

    Summer of 1990:  Northern Exposure airs as a summer series, with
    only eight episodes aired.

    (personal note: I started watching with episode 2.  Missed the first
     one.  Oh well.)

    March 1991: Northern Exposure returns as a mid-season replacement.
    In June, after the seven second-season episodes have aired, they
    begin rerunning the first season, followed by season 2 (except
    for War and Peace, which aired just recently).

    September 1991: Northern Exposure becomes a full series, with the
    full season of episodes.  So by all rights, it's had three seasons,
    although it's had less than two seasons' worth of regular episodes.

I hope this help everybody!  Keep watching, the new season's going to start
soon, and I'll start posting updates to The Northern Exposure Episode Guide
soon!  

	Andy Bates.



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