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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:18:19 GMT

mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
: I crossposted this to alt.drugs with Followup-To alt.rave so those of you
: in the UK without alt.drugs feeds might get some of the discussion...
: 
: >> I'd love to know what sort of drugs are going on in America just now.
: >> I don't mean Crack, I mean nice ones like E, Trips, Speed and Coke?
: >
: >FACT : There is no such thing as a "nice" drug. There are bad drugs, and there
: >are "badder" drugs.  If you think you're doing yourself any favours by taking
: >them, you're fooling yourself.
: 
: I think that varies from person to person.  One who uses poor reasoning for
: taking drugs (like to 'help them deal with their problems') is more likely
: to wind up letting the drugs get the best of them, while someone who keeps
: their wits about them can use some controlled drugs recreationally every so
: often and it can be a positive experience for them.  Not that I would know
: ;-)

Plus, the person's "fact" is wrong to start with. There are drugs - period.
They are not either good or bad. How they are used or abused can be good or
bad, but that depends on the individual.

: >And COKE?!?!?! (No, I'm not ignorant - I'm just amazed anyone would consider t
: his a recreational drug. Then again, maybe it's just me.....)
: 
: It's not just you...

Why? If a person does not abuse it, and occasional use is not abuse, then
why not consider it a recreational drug. I know the anti-drug morons scream
that it, and crack, are highly addictive and that using it just once will 
hook you for good. I even saw a PBS commercial spouting that lie about crack.
By the government's own figures, only about 30% of regular users of crack
(which is much more addictive than coke) become addicted to the drug. I would
suggest that this means that a much smaller percentage of recreational users
would become addicted.

: >> (ie. Party drugs). How much does it cost? Is it easy to get? Are drug
: >> dealers dangerous people over there, shooting each other in the street?
: 
: I don't think they deal with any AK-47 toting thugs, though.  Some guy

Very few people do, regardless of government propoganda. You are more
likely to run across a narcotics cop packing a fully automatic weapon
than you are a drug dealer.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: KLF (was Re: Anybody...starting a KLF mailing list?)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 00:06:17 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

C_S02112@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Steven Eugene Benedict) writes:

> I did read in select that they are now defunct and, if I'm not mistaken,
> they burned *all* of their master tapes...is this true?  If so, why is
> there a need for a group about the KLF? 

As far as I know, they've only deleted their back-catalog, not actually
destroyed the master tapes.  At any rate, there are a lot of us who are
still interested in the band despite their current defunctness, and the
new list is also for discussion of the Orb and other related acts.

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Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: SLAMMIN' COMPILATION
Keywords: techno
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:20:27 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
In article <BxI64u.HpE@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru) writes:
|> In article <BxBL2D.C91@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
|> >>LFO's "syndrome" .. supposedly unreleased, but might have been since
|> >>then, anyone know? 
|> >
|> >"Syndrome" is on their sampler <<The Evolution of The Groove>> and the "What
|> >is House?" EP.
|> 
|> guru sez:
|> 	"Evolution of the Groove" is a Warp Records sampler which is a sequel
|> 	to "The Pioneers of the Hypnotic Groove". I've got the catalogue 
|> 	number at home somewhere...
|> -- 
|>       /~~~) /   / /~~~) /   /   
|>      (___/ (___/ /     (___/   These mind-expanding drugs have given me so much
|>         /                      imagination, I'm hallucinating grey vividly....
|>    (___/ mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk                       Victor Lewis-Smith


Guru , are you really Guru Josh ??!!!!
I thought you were a great sax player !

Whatever happened to your dub/underground (ha!) sound , the uk charts will never
be the same again ....
(Oh well , at least it got played in the Diner's jukebox in Home and Away !!!)

heeheehohohoh..etc...!
Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
From: R.J.Bell@bradford.ac.uk (RJ BELL)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: And another thing
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:10:47 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91791405@ccw204

In article <1992Nov5.181931.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk> msc9315@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.132940.5793@axion.bt.co.uk>, jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell) writes:
>> alt.drugs cannot be read in the UK, you must read it via a link to the USA,

             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
News to me, I can read it here in Bradford!

Rob.

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E   "To err is human, to play cool tunes is divine."                           D
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: REQUEST: SONG ID
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:03:41 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <ROY.92Nov12171555@wundt.harlqn.co.uk>, roy@harlqn.co.uk (Roy Badami) writes:
> I'm sure you all have better things to do than identify songs, but...
> 
> Could someone identify the track that contains the lines
> 
> "Where's the fuckin' noise?" and "I want some more bass in this house"
> (there was another line, which I can't recall)
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> 	-roy
> --
> Roy Badami, Harlequin Ltd, Barrington Hall, Barrington, Cambridge,  U.K.
> Internet: roy@harlqn.co.uk               UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!harlqn!roy
> 
> When we reach that point, whatever happenned _will_ happen again...

Sounds like typical MC Man Paris lines.....can't be of help with the actual
song.....was it on a tape by a DJ???? If so it is probably some MC.....

And they really nip my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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From: rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drivvt)
Subject: Re: who posted Tank_Girl.gif to the image archive?
Organization: Menzoberranzan Computer Networking 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.041219.15102@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aclaasse@nyx.cs.du.edu (Arne Claassen) writes:
>
>Now, i haven't seen this Tank Girl GIF, but if it is the same Tank Girl
>I know then you can also find out more about her by renting and of the
>Dominion Tank Police japanamation flicks.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Please, _anime_.  Thank you.

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From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Technics Tuntables
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:11:46 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

-- 
In the U.S Technics SL1200s seem to be _the_ turntables but over here I always
thought that Technics SL1210s were the best??? On second thoughts this may be
a silly question (I'll post it anyway!!)....

1200s are silver and 1210 are black...yeah????

KIRK (the master of silly questions...!)

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From: hartnupj@cs.aston.ac.uk (J HARTNUP,,,,)
Subject: Re: Drugs
Reply-To: hartnupj@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:28:08 GMT


 phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Chris Tilbury) writes :
:FACT : There is no such thing as a "nice" drug. There are bad drugs, and there are :"badder" drugs. If you think you're doing yourself any favours by taking them, you're :fooling yourself. (Ps. This is _not_ an anti-drugs post. I'm certainly not in any :position to condemn anyone for taking them....)

Ok, but there's still drugs that make you feel "nice", which is probably what 487 (nice name) meant.  Lets take alcohol as a LEGAL example.

Some people get aggressive and nasty under its influence.  In this case alcohol is a nasty drug.
Others love everyone they see and laugh a lot.  In this case it's a nice drug.

Now compare this with ecstasy : I only know from hearsay (honest!)  but I gather it makes you feel happy and want to dance to good music for hours on end whilst feeling a sense of one-ness with a tent full of similarly drugged people.  Sounds like a nice drug to me.  Of course, when it forces all the water out of your body and kills you painfully....  I suppose that makes it a nasty drug....

487 is WRONG in my opinion about coke and speed.  Sound very nasty to me.
Trips on the other hand....
I mean why watch The Magic Roundabout when you can experience it for yourself?


John... making no sense.
Xref: sparky alt.rave:4675 alt.music.alternative:14972
From: kotsines@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (KOTSINES  THOMAS ANT)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Burning Airlines
Keywords: posters
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:08:16 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Does anyone know if Burning Airlines (the big poster mail order shoppe) is
still in business, and if so, what is their address?  If not, are there 
any poster/tshirt mail order places left??  Thanx for the info..

[/]
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: SONG I.D./QUERY
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:16:44 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

I don't know the answers to the rest of your questions, but song
#1 ("hold me, love me") is Stella by Jam & Spoon.

Mike
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mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Drugs in Britain
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:25:55 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
In article <1992Nov11.123813.1267@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter) writes:
|> In article <BxII6v.5zJ@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, djts@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Sumpter) writes:
|> >
|> [Drug info deleled] 
|> > BUT, there are bad sides to all drugs, and the unaddictive ones still cause people to
|> > be iratable when not on them if they use too much for too long. But, they are a damm
|> > sight better than what often goes on in Scotland. ie. Drinking 10 pints and smashing
|> > a pint glass in someones face.
|> > 
|> > David
|> 
|> Excuse me but your reference to Scotland is slightly unfounded....Who has the
|> hooligans and lager louts that disgrace their country every time they go abroad?
|> Certainly not Scottish people my friend........
|> 
|> Grow a brain please......
|> 
|> We have the best behaed football fans in Europe...if not the world....!!
|> 
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Who the hell cares about football fans , that's not what Dave is talking about ,
he's talking about the "shirts-off-raving-i'm-raving" movement that has sprung
up in Scotland over the last couple of years , and completely destroyed the
whole dance scene... witness not being allowed to leave the Sub Club one night
"for your own safety " said the doormen , and all because Tin Pan Alley was
coming out at that time , paragon of people with eye's blackened by drugs , no
top on , or tied to waist , and jumping in their cars to go and smoke hash while
talking about how many E thay had that night ....

Maybe this appeals to you , I don't know , but it destroyed it for me ...... all
the raves left in Scotland are an utter disgrace , witness Holocaust etc ....
The good old days of Slam I and Slam II raves are over , my friend , and it
looks as if they might never come back .....

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.music.alternative
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto / Orbital / Ultramarine
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:20:48 GMT

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

>>I too would like to know more about Ultramarine, since I'm going to
>>this show most likely as well (wow, Moby and Orbital in the same
>>month!  can't wait...)

>Pete Ashdown might be able to give a better description, as
>a professional DJ type who really digs them.

Here's the review I wrote a few months back:

Ultramarine: Every Man and Woman is a Star
Panther House/Rough Trade: R2892
1   1   04:28 Discovery
2   3   05:11 Weird Gear
3   2   05:17 Pansy
4   2   05:09 Honey
5   3   04:25 Stella
6   4   06:46 British Summertime
7   1   05:03 Saratoga
8   3   06:32 Geezer
9   1   05:08 Nova Scotia
10  2   04:47 Panther
11  2   05:34 Lights in my Brain
12  3   04:37 Gravity
13  1   02:42 Canoe Trip
14  2   05:28 Skyclad

Comments: Most tracks on this disc are extremely ambient, almost to the point
of being ridiculous.  "Canoe Trip" is simply water sounds with a light synth
in the background.  Try as I might, I can't shake the image of a group of
deadheads listening to this disc on their way to the next concert.  In a sense
this is the New Age version of ambient house, but it really doesn't share many
characteristics of ambient house.  Still, "British Summertime" is a nice track
and I suppose the entire disc is rather relaxing, but if you're expecting an
Orb clone, look elsewhere.

Summary: 5/10.  Hippies on synths and drum machines.


A few additional comments.  They do a lot of spoken word over light airy
music.  Not really too bad.  It is always very relaxing.  Almost the ambient
house equivalent of Consolidated, minus the hostility as well.  I was
originally very harsh with my review but due to subsequent listens I've
relaxed my position.  Of course, I really hated Nightmares on Wax when I first
bought it, but I'm thanking God I never traded it in, because I love it now.
System 7 had the same problem too.
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
From: s_curtis@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Steve Curtis)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Bad yankie attitude
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:13:52 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Nov3.195542.1691@netcom.com> howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
>WARNING------THIS IS A FLAME.  IT IS VERY OPINIONATED AND NO ONE BESIDES
>MAYBE PETE ASHDOWN WILL LIKE IT.  HIT -n- NOW.  BAD VIBES BELOW.

>In article <Bx4y96.Jq@brunel.ac.uk> cs92dmg@brunel.ac.uk (David M Gill) writes:

>Well, you can't fight wars very well, but that's hardly a criticism.

Yeah right, and lets shoot at our allies in the gulf war :-)  <----- NOTE!

Steve.
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From: elombard@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Eddie Lombardi)
Subject: Loon-ee-toons
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:14:36 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: ecstacy recipe-camper.
From: Michel Angelo Battaglia <mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 02:50:15 -0500 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Camper, what are you, teasing?!
-Mike
Dr. Slammin'
From: pa_ross@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Mr Rossy)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: _KILLER TECHNO_
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:02:29 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

>:FACT : There is no such thing as a "nice" drug. There are bad drugs, and there are :"badder" drugs. If you think you're doing yourself any favours by taking them, you're :fooling yourself. (Ps. This is _not_ an anti-drugs post. I'm certainly not in any :position to condemn anyone for taking them....)

Sounds more like opinion to me.

>Trips on the other hand......
>I mean why watch The Magic Roundabout when you can experience it for yourself?

Speaking purely from my own experiences I would say that LSD was far more
dangerous than XTC. The first time you trip it feels good and your body is
pretty much undamaged. After about a year of monthly use you notice that the
"day after" your body looks worse and worse. 
It starts to take longer to fully recover as well. The first time you trip, 2 
days later you are ok, but by the end of 12 trips, no longer how long a time
scale you take them over, it can start to take up to 4 days to recover and feel
good again. I woke up one day after going to a night club and realised I looked
like a zombie. It scared me and into never taking the stuff again. I would not 
say that 12 trips over a year was excessive, but I would not advise anyone to 
take more than 4 trips in a life time.
My experience of XTC so far is completely different. After around 6 months of
light usage (About 1 a month) I still look good and feel good. Although I
am told that the bad FX start to come on after around 3 years of weekly
usage (Taken from a medical magazine).

					 Paul
					=----=
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: The Grid (was Re: orb north american tour date)
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:35:27 GMT


I am not mmstahl@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (michael m. stahl).  I didn't say:
>what's the deal on a band called grid?  what
>is sir. ball, ex of soft cell doing with this
>project?  what does it sound like?

the grid is dave ball (ex soft cell) and richard norris (psychic tv).  it
sounds like dance music.  they had a single called "boom" which is
phenomenal.  lately they've put out "figure of eight" which is trancy and
cool, and "heartbeat" which i've not heard (although one of the 12"s has a
remix of boom that's been getting a lot of play lately.)

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: who posted Tank_Girl.gif to the image archive?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:23:47 GMT

pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Mr. G. Pickering) writes:
>I haven't seen the picture, but Tank Girl is a comic character. I know
>the comic is over here (UK) but I don't know if it is over there (USA).

Yes, it's made it over here to the states...Tank Girl remains my
favorite comic of all time (and my collection ranges in the 1200-1500
range).  In fact...when/if I ever throw a rave...it'll be a TankyRave
where shaved women with British accents get in free and all the beers
they can chuzzle...
 
...e

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From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (huh?)
Subject: Re: RAVES in Champaign-Urbana, IL?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:06:34 GMT

cs125b55@dcl-nxt29.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:

>Are there raves in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois, other than Club Chi Psi?

>						-D.O.

wheres that?  Im in champiagn, I never heard of that.  Cstreets a nice
techno-house-dance place (on thursdays anyway)

-Dan
From: chris@Vaduz.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: KLF (was Re: Anybody...starting a KLF mailing list?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:51:13 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vaduz.docs.uu.se

In article <1d9v8oINNfdk@lester.appstate.edu>, C_S02112@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Steven Eugene Benedict) writes:
> 	Okay, I must admit I know little about the KLF, like they remixed
> DM's "policy of truth" and they do "what time is love?", and the have an
> ambient album called "chill out"....I know, its sad...but I did read in select
> that they are now defunct and, if I'm not mistaken, they burned *all* of their
> master tapes...is this true?  If so, why is there a need for a group about
> the KLF?  This is not meant as a flame, I'm just ill-informed and curious.

The list could be about Orb/KLF/System 7/Fortran 5.... that whole family.
Give the list a neutral name and not anything KLF specific, because as
Steven says, KLF doesn't exist and there's not much to say about them
anymore... Maybe the "Ultraworld" list or something...

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se