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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clinton's Inauguration Speech
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:23:22 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Some other quality extracts:

  "Character is irrelevant."

  "Resistance is futile.  We already control the White House,
Congress, and media."

  "Rush Limbaugh will be assimilated."
  "He would rather die than be assimilated."
  "Then he will die."

:+)  I have no problem with Trek-related political jokes here, just
not "serious" (though I hesitate to use that word of some of the
posters) political discussion.

-Jeff
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: recurring TNG plots
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:41:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <D0oXTB1w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP writes:


>There may be spoilers here if you haven't seen most of the episodes.

>In my insufficiently humble opinion, the best episodes are those which
>do not fit into these formulas.

Really?  What do you consider the 'best' episodes?

Me, I liked episodes like:

Cause and Effect - time travel
The Inner Light - it's all just an illusion
Conspiracy - mind control / possesion
Yesterday's Enterprise - time travel
The Best of Both Worlds - this is the only one that doesn't fall neatly
  into one of your categories.  Although, you might consider the Borg
  "omnipotent beings", or you could consider Picard's transformation "mind
  control / possesion."

But anyway, a lot of my favorite episodes fall into the themes that you
seem to dislike.  I don't have a problem with the themes.  Time travel.
What's wrong with it.  As long as you make up different stories with
REAL plots that can entertain, I don't care if you have a season full of
time travel stories.

Cause and Effect
Yesterday's Enterprise
Time's Arrow

All three are time travel stories, yet they are all completely different.
I don't have a problem with them, and frankly, I don't see what your
problem with them is, either.


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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Subject: Re: Picard's background
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:13:00 GMT

In article <74319@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt0552c@prism.gatech.EDU
(PILCHER,DAVID ANDREW) wrote:

> 	Jean-Luc Picard, both in geezer and rug-rat form has a distinctively
> british accent (especially as a kid).  Yet, his name is inherently french.
> Why?  Was he born in France but grow up in England?  I know somebody knows
> the answer to this out there.  Of course the REAL answer is obvious: Patrick
> Stewart was the best choice for the part, and he IS brittish.  So why didn't
> the ST folks just rename Jean-Luc Picard as John Pickard?

Maybe Picard learned English from someone with a British accent?  I've met
many non-English Europeans who spoke English with a British accent. 
Picard's accent seems justified to me. 

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: coleman@kirkland.East.Sun.COM (Rob Coleman -- Sun East Coast IR Development)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The Inner Light
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:19:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Last night I saw the episode "The Inner Light" for the first time.  I not
certain what season it was from (no doubt someone here will post).  

For anyone who has not seen "The Inner Light", it is one of the best
shows I've seen.  Highly immaginative story.  A 10.


Rob
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clinton's Inauguration Speech
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:11:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1dgpbbINN66m@news.aero.org>, foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.193548.29382@athena.mit.edu> hhuang@athena.mit.edu (Han-Young Huang) writes:
>>In article <1d9ou1INNmdr@news.aero.org> foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov3.215202.13460@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:

I hear that Clinton is trying to get Scotty to be on his Cabinet.  With the
economy in the sad shape that it's in thanks to "Borrow and Spend" Reaganomics
he needs a MIRACLE WORKER!

Terry

SEE!  I managed to make the "discussion" appropriate to Star Trek.  Now please
take these postings elsewhere!
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From: gcs4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gregory Carl Seibert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:TNG List of Lists
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:23:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I was wondering if anyone could tell me an FTP site where I could get the
    latest version of Mark Holtz's List of Lists.  My latest version is dated
    February 1, 1992.  Thanks.
                                            G.C.

                                            
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From: wetsel_r@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Rascals--can they make anything worse? <Spoilers!>
Date: 10 NOV 92 14:42:05 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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>> 8) The complete act at the end of the Picard/Riker meeting.  I was moved to
>> tears...of laughter.  There was no way that the Ferengi watching this
>> "reunion" could not help but see that something was up.  (see number 6)
> 
>Not true.  The Ferengi wouldn't know human mannerisms well enough to
>interpret "acting".  The Ferengi in the room would've assumed that was how
>humans behaved.
> 
> 
>James 
>jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
>Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign

----
I completely agree James.  The Ferengi are too stupid to know anything 
about human manerisms.  Personally, I think the Federation should 
temporairly suspend the prime directive and exterminate the big-eared 
little parasitic maggots.  Just my HO of course... ;-)

David
haviland@kids.wustl.edu
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: Holodeck Programming
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:41:56 GMT

>In article <1992Nov8.224444.3794@wkuvx1.bitnet> pattecd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>
>>     Okay, what would happen if someone, let's say Geordi, went into
>>the holodeck and asked it to recreate the current Enterprise
>>(NCC-1701-D).  Then, he goes aboard THAT Enterprise, and does the same
>>thing, and he does this, say, 20 times.  Now, let's have each
>>Enterprise on a totally different mission.  What could possibly
>>happen?

	This actually happened in one of the novels (OK, not cannon, but
we are talking ideas here) _Boogymen_ Where due to a malfunction, Picard,
Data and Wesley (oy) were caught in the holodeck, and when they exited,
the computer holographically created the exit, and did not let them out
for real. - 
(book spoiler)

Who do you suppose got them out? - NO it was Data - Sheesh!
	--Jon K.

	"O.K., I read the novels - so flame me!"
From: v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Another Rascal's Blooper?  ***Spoilers****
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




Spoilers*********************************





















	Did anyone else notice that little Jean-Luc told Riker to open up
the commands for use on the kiddie computer in room 8, then Picard 
proceeded to use a terminal in room 7?
	Or maybe vice versa.

				Jim
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From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Rascals...did anyone else like it?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:41:25 GMT

In a previous article, chetc@resumix.portal.com (Chester L. Cuaresma) says:
 
>I really enjoyed the repartee between Guinan and Ro.  Both jumping
>on the bed was classic!

I not only liked the episode, I *loved* it!  I had some problems with it
(like how quickly the Enterprise was taken over) but I thought the show
did a wonderful job of showing how today's society treats their children.

I'm surprised the reviews have been as favourable as they have been here.
Seems everytime a show has a child on it, it gets trashed by r.a.s'ers.
Poor Gene Roddenberry is probably turning over in his grave at some of
the intolerant attidues that get expressed here (smacks of hypocrisy too,
but that's another story).

Best part was the actor that played the young Ensign Ro.  Had her down to
a tee!  The disgusted expressions, everything.  The plot built a nice
little bit of tension while they were scheming to take the ship back from
the Ferengi.  I thought it was a rather clever episode, all in all.
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From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Rascals SPOILERS
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:15:35 GMT


Phooey.

The stupid inbred bumbling Ferengi do in 5 minutes what the BORG
couldn't do when giving it everything they had. Riker just rolled over
and died. Where do I sign up for alt.startrek.whiners?

-Mike
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 premier
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:07:52 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Nov9.094503.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
<Does anyone have any information on where/when the Deep Space 9- 2 hour premier
<episode will appear on satelite?

I haven't been informed of a date yet, but it should appear around the same
time that ST:TNG appears.  I suspect that "The Untouchables" and ST:DSN will
be uplinked BEFORE ST:TNG, just like "Friday the 13th the Series" and "War
of the Worlds" were, before they were dropped.
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From: honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals, SPOILERS
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 19:47:16 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

Sorry I don't have much time, but I really liked Rascals!  It was 
probably the first winner of the season, as far as I'm concerned.  The 
techno was less important and more credible, and there was even a modicum 
of actual poignancy.  The best bottle show since "Power Play."  A.

--
honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Promos for: THE QUALITY OF LIFE (#235) + notes
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 12:29:44 GMT


Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "The Quality of Life" (#235) 
were released today.  The actual program will air starting on Saturday,
November 14th.  Following this will be a lovely batch of *six* holiday
reruns.  The next new episode is the two-part "Chain of Command", out on
January 2nd.  This is the lead-in for DEEP SPACE NINE, as Captain Picard 
infiltrates the Cardassians... eventually finding himself at everyone's 
soon to be favorite space station. DSN episode #1 (working title "Emissary")
is expected to uplink on January 9th, along with Chain of Command Part-2.  
Stay tuned!  Star Trek will be back in force! :-)


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

A POWERFUL NEW INVENTION LEADS TO A STARTLING DISCOVERY...

  [ Data, Picard, Geordi, and an alien woman (with head bumps :)
    examine a device on the station ]

 Data:  I have reason to believe the exocomps are alive.

...BUT A CRISIS WILL FORCE DATA TO CHOSE BETWEEN MAN AND MACHINE.

  [ Data in Engineering, grabs the device and walks away ]
  [ Picard and woman (Doctor) on the station ]
  
 Picard:  Doctor, the station must be evacuated.

  [ Riker and Data on the bridge ]

 Riker:  Prepare for emergency transport.

 Data:   I have locked out the controls.

WILL HE SACRIFICE HIS OWN CAPTAIN TO PROTECT A NEW LIFE FORM?

  [ Picard and Geordi (with beard) on the station ]
  [ Riker and Data in the conference room ]

 Riker:  You release that transporter lockout now!

 Data:   I can not do that sir.

  [ explosion on the station ]

...ON AN ALL-NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.


Short promo:
  Will Data sacrifice Picard and Geordi to protect a living machine?
  ...on Star Trek: The Next Generation.


<< Fistful of Datas...  Very amusing episode.  Definitely a lot of comic
relief here.  Troi as "Durango, the Mysterious Stranger" is great, and 
Spiner's multitudinous performance is outstanding and very entertaining.
The new Spot also does not disappoint.  Have fun with this one... >>

-{ Dean Adams }-

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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet; is it military
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.153853.2131@netcom.com> jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul  
Wells) writes:
> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
> 
> >I have been informed that star fleet isn't a military orginization, I  
always
> >thought it was, they address each other in military ranks, and can be  
court
> >marshaled.....
> >any thoughts?
> >Stephen
> 
> Just as our military is the 'peace-keeping' force for the U.S. (or  
whatever
> country), Star Fleet is the peace-keeping force for the Federation. Yes,
> it is a military organization in details, but it answers to the Federation
> council and has a primary motive of exploration.

Ha, fool. It's obvious that Starfleet is only a pawn of the military  
industrial complex. It's true motives are the subjugation of all freedom  
loving peoples in the Galaxy, and establishment of an imperialist empire  
under a one man dictatorship.....or maybe I'm thinking of the republican  
party. Oh well.
---
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sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 

Mark E. Brodsky
Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill.
E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
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	markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Wizard of Oz and TNG
Date: 8 Nov 1992 05:33:12 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Aside from the reference in "True Q", there was one time when Crusher
was in some warp bubble and said "click three times and say 'no place
like home' ". Any others?
From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Tabukan Syndrome
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:25:07 GMT
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: stdeprie@c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu


I love the comics, I have all of DC's original 56 issue run from the early '80's
and I have all the new series as well as the TNG issues.  I must agree they are
good, though I must confess I only recently started reading them as I was 
originally collecting them just to collect, but I have them and can catch up.
I must admit I think the comics are better than the current episodes, but 
special effects budgets are nil for comics.  :-)  They can do more interesting
things that would be technologically hard for T.V.

My .03 cents.


							Cheers,


							Shawn
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From: smoy@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Sharon Moy)
Subject: Trekkies get a life
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:28:22 GMT

   In response to the articles 'critics need to get alife'...
   why dont you Trekkies try it?

   You are so obsessive over what is just a tv programme, i had a friend
   write on the net he didnt think much of one of the seasons and you should
   have seen som of the vitriolic replies, some were very nasty indeed.

   So, why dont yoe get out of your rooms, and go and find lives yourselves?
   Next to amoeba you are the lowest form of life.

   ALL REPLIES IF YOU ARE OUTRAGED TO BE POSTED ON THE NET...I DO NOT WANT 
   MY EMAIL FULL OF YOUR LETTERS.
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's background
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:01:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <74319@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0552c@prism.gatech.EDU (PILCHER,DAVID ANDREW) writes:
>
>	Okay, this episode (RASCALS) brought up a question that I've had for
>a long time.  I'm an huge ST:TNG fan, but I don't read these r.a.s.* things
>very often, so I hope this ain't a FAQ.
>
>	Jean-Luc Picard, both in geezer and rug-rat form has a distinctively
>british accent (especially as a kid).  Yet, his name is inherently french.
>Why?  Was he born in France but grow up in England?  I know somebody knows
>the answer to this out there.  Of course the REAL answer is obvious: Patrick
>Stewart was the best choice for the part, and he IS brittish.  So why didn't
>the ST folks just rename Jean-Luc Picard as John Pickard?

	Gene Roddenberry wanted the character French.  Rick Bremen (I think?)
wanted Patrick Stewart.  Both thought the other had the right idea.  So JLP is
French but has a British Accent.  The only example we've had of ANYONE in
France having a French accent was in the first season episode uhhhhhhhhhhh I
can't remember the name, the time-distortion one with Michelle Phillips.  I
guess that the basic explanation is that the French language has sort of died
("Code of Honor"), and when people in France started speaking primarily English
they did it with the accent of their closest English-speaking neighbors.

						-Jay
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: dubbed voice
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:06:26 GMT
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In article <1dnkoqINNse@uwm.edu> spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice) writes:
>Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?

I only saw one seen where it seemed her voice was dubbed.  It could have
been that they had a defect in the sound channel there, and dubbed in
the dialog instead of reshooting the scene.  A bit cheesy, but maybe they
were running up against the deadline and couldn't get more acting time
from her because of the child labor laws.


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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Guinan's age
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

Just thought I would mention that we know for 100% fact what age range Guinan
is in! First of all we know she is over 500 years old due to Time's Arrow.
And secondly, she mentions her father is under 700 so she must at least be
younger than her father. Therefore, Guinan's age is in the range:

500 < Guinan < 700.

200 year range, but better than we knew before.

That guy from that ST:TOS episode was older by several 1000 years!
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe) writes:

}While I was watching this episode, I couldn't help but think that if the crew
}of the Enterprise ever went up against an intelligent, latently violent 
}adversary, they would be in BIG trouble.  Examples of this kind of adversary
}would include the villians from just about any blockbuster summer action movie.
}I wish the writers would give the viewers some credit.  Do they really expect
}us to BELIEVE that all non-human races are completely incapable of intelligent
}malevolance?  Maybe Star Trek needs some new adversaries.  As a player of 
}Dungeons & Dragons, I'd throw my vote in for something similar to a Mind
}Flayer.  

}What do you guys out there think?  It's just something that's been bugging
}me for a while, and it became extremely apparent on this episode.

I agree absolutely.  If it were true that the Enterprise crew was the
best that Starfleet had to offer, and if the way they have handled the
various situations we've seen on various shows is representative, then
humanity would certainly NOT still be gallivanting around the galaxy.
All their starships would be rubble.

This has long bothered me.  The characters, as portrayed, are stupid,
the "explanations" usually seen on this group notwithstanding.  Just one
other example:  I recently watched a rerun of that episode wherein they
first eoncountered the Borg.  Now, the stupidity of beaming over to the
Borg ship I can maybe forgive in the name of exploration or trying to
establish contact or somesuch drivel.  But when the Enterprise was fleeing
from this Borg ship and it became apparent that it was catching up to them,
why is it that they didn't even TRY changing their direction?  They just
kept right on going in a straight line.  That Borg ship was BIG, and it
takes a LOT more energy to change the direction of a big mass than of a
relatively small mass like the Enterprise.  Sure, maybe it wouldn't have
worked; maybe the Borg ship had some hand-waving new-physics drive that
could change direction instantaneously, but Picard still should have TRIED
it.  Of course, in most movies and TV shows, people running away from 
cars on foot rarely seem to think of doing anything other than running
full out in a straight line, so maybe it's just Hollywood script writers
who are stupid.

--James Preston
From: lgraham@aldo.srnr.arizona.edu (Lee Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's Aunt Odell and Continuity
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:55:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Arizona Advanced Resource Technology Program

The only problem with the Aunt Adele continuity reference is that Bev
should not remember Picard's aunt's drink, since she was given the
drink during one of the unremembered time loop sequences in Cause and
Effect.  At the end of that loop, all was forgotten and new time
events sequences were gone through, but she never had the hot milk
drink, or even private discussion with Picard in any of them.
Maybe they're getting together at night drinking warm milk on other
occasions, but given TNG's stiff attitudes about the fraternizing
too chummily, I would doubt it.