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From: phc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Patrick Curry)
Subject: Mouse on HP48?
Reply-To: phc1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:08:59 GMT



     A month or so ago I read in a post here that someone knew someone else
who had successfully attached a mouse to the HP48.  I have a question about
that.

     My serial mouse uses the following lines on its female DB-9 connector:

           5 4 3 2        Where :    2 - RX            (Receive data)
         _____________               3 - TX            (Transmit data)
         \ 0 0 0 0 0 /               4 - DTR           (Data Terminal Ready)
          \ 0 0 0 0 /                5 - GND           (Signal ground)
           ---------                 7 - RTS           (Ready To Send)
                7


     Now.  The HP48 *CABLE* has the following lines:

           A B C D       Where :     A - GND           (Signal ground)
          _________                  B - RX            (Receive data)
         | 0 0 0 0 |                 C - TX            (Transmit data)
          \_______/                  D - GND           (Shield ground)


     So, here is my question :  Since the HP48 only has send, receive, and
signal ground, how would one satisfy the DTR and RTS on the mouse end?

     I am not an expert on serial ports, but I have a general working knowledge
of them.  I would appreciate any help/opinions on this.  I am really interested
in getting my HP48 to use my mouse.

Thanks,

    Pat Curry

(P.S.   Please e-mail any responses unless you think others will benefit.)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fsemm@acad3.alaska.edu (Edward M. Moore)
Subject: AMU units
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:26:56 GMT

Hello.  I'm having a slight problem working with my HP48Sx's units.  I can't
seem to find any unit for "atomic mass" or "molecular mass".  is there such a
unit, and where can I find it?

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From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (edward joseph fasula)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:40:02 GMT
Subject: test
Message-ID: <2adb3dd1.1915comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I must be using mail improperly, I tried to mail to you as follows
>MAIL>
>SEND
1>My message here.
2>.

>Send to> akcs.greg sanker
>letter ready...>y
>Sending mail..mail queued...

then it bounced.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: larsg@ifi.uio.no (Lars Andreas Gundersen)
Subject: Re: I have a question--editing
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:39:07 GMT
Originator: larsg@skalk.ifi.uio.no

In article <1992Oct15.132012.21227@cognos.com> heeschv@cognos.com 
(Brian VanHeesch) writes:

   Okay, so on my HP48sx there's the crappy EQUATION EDITOR.  Now if I want
   to edit an equation it will use this EQUATION editor, I prefer to use
   the simple text editor (same on that is used for programs).

   My question: is there a system flag or some other way that you can use the
   text editor for equations?  Currently I do a "{} + REVIEW" to edit and
   a "OBJ-> DEL" when finished.

   BVH

 Just hit [left-shift]-[EDIT] instead of Down-arrow with your equation
in level 1.  RTFM.
 I do not find the EQUATION WRITER "crappy".  It's a good tool for
building expressions and equations as you never have to worry about
where to put the () or arguments of a function.  For editing, on the
other hand, I usually prefer the command line.


Lars A.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: umbehrou@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mehrab Behrouzian)
Subject: Re: HP-48SX Rev E for sale
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:44:30 GMT

In <ldnkuhINNkcs@cronkite> willo@youcon.Central.Sun.COM (Doug Willoughby  Area SE  - Midwest Area ) writes:


>Included the following:

>	HP-48SX rev E and manuals
>	Equation Library and manuals
>	Serial cable for PCs (from HP)
>	"The HP-48 Handbook" by Donnelly
>	IR printer

> Asking $300, but make an offer (I've seen the same
>configuration--minus the printer and Donnelly's book--
>for $250.) Everything is in mint condition. Just don't
>need quite so much power anymore...

>Oh, I'll pay shipping

>Doug
hi there:
I was wondering whether you still have your calculatior(48sx)?
tanx.
mehrab
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP programs on unix
Date: 12 Oct 1992 06:11:20 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: HP programs on unix

In article <8=yz5q_@rpi.edu> fokp@rpi.edu writes:
>
>***Doesn't anybody know how to transfer programs from unix to HP48sx?***
>
You should get a copy of ckermit. it may already be on your system.

You also need a serial port on your workstation. The serial port
will be controlled in /dev/tty??? and you have to have read/write access
to the device. 

Then you can start ckermit -l /dev/tty?? -b 9600 and then it will work


you may need the sys-admin's cooperation to set some of this stuff up.

>Thanks in advance.


-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
jpm: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca         
                            Happily using OS/2 2.0 because MS Windows isNT ___
                                                      Insert VapourFeature ^^^
From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP Business Calculators?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:35:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Thanks to an e-mail that I just got, I figured out that my girlfriend's
calculator is an HP19BII, if this is of any help.  The reason that I did
not know what it was is that I have not seen the caculator in a while.

Jess Holle
From: akcs.n2kyw@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Cheap Ram Card
Message-ID: <2ad25628.1850.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: HP48SX

Dennis-
I think you saw the posting in comp.sys.hp48.  I asked the same question
and got some good info mailed to me.  Please e-mail me a note at
smit3223@nova.gmi.edu to remind me, and I'll send it out to you.

Paul Smith
smit3223@nova.gmi.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: aschoorl@engr.UVic.CA (Andre  Schoorl)
Subject: Re: speeding up the 48SX
Reply-To: aschoorl@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:01:36 GMT

>Yeah, but my HP48 can count from 0 to 65535 in a couple of seconds using
>machine language.  Try that on your TI-81 and get back to me with the results.

How would you go about that?  i.e. what commands?
The book never states anything about machine language!
Anything you could tell me to speed up the calculations would be useful.

You know as well as I do that TI calculators have no machine language.

Andre Schoorl
aschoorl@engr.uvic.ca
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Info wanted on hp48s: should I buy one?
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:48:22 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Hello everyone...I thought I might get some informed opinions on
   the plethora of graphing calculatoers out there.  Good experiences?
   Bad?

I am about to buy the -expensive- HP 48sx.  I've got one of HP's older
   RPN models, and I love it.   This is the main reason I think Im
   going to get HP again.  Also I think the HP48s and 48sx are the
   only two RPN ones out there.

Im a Computer Science major picking up math as a double major...is this
   a good investment?  Also - What are the important differences between
   the 48s and 48sx?

	 Thanks for the responses.

-- 
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                                                  ^^^^^^^
                 My university cannot spell my name...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Subject: Re: Serial Number determination
Reply-To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:21:09 GMT


In article <1avrmeINNdgc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, windsor@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Rob Windsor) writes:

|>
|>OK, Lets see how off my '48 is here...
|>

stuff deleted...

|>ME:   365</>                          CALC:    1:    # 1994d
|>
|>Uhm, somebody?  Did I sleep or something?
|>
|>The date across the top says "10/07/92".  What gives?
|>

Remember that your calculating across 2000 years.  Thos leap years
add up after a while :-)


>>>Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Serial Number determination
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:30:06 GMT

In article <1avrmeINNdgc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> windsor@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Rob Windsor) writes:
>ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes:
>
>>The TICKS command returns a 13 nibble binary integer which represents the
>>number of 8192 Hz clock ticks since the birth of Christ.  If you take
>>the number returned by the ticks command and divide by 8192, you get the
>>number of seconds since the birth of Christ......
>
>OK, Lets see how off my '48 is here...
>
>I ENTER:       TICKS<enter>           I GET:   1:    # 515159665195974d
>ME:   8192</>                         CALC:    1:    # 62885701317d
>>..............................................Divide again by 60 and you
>>get minutes;....
>
>ME:   60</>                           CALC:    1:    # 1048095021d
>
>>.............divide by 60 to get hours;....
>
>ME:   60</>                           CALC:    1:    # 17468250d
>
>>.........................................by 24 to get days,....
>
>ME:   24</>                           CALC:    1:    # 727843d
>
>>............................................................by 365 to get
>>years....and so on.
>
>ME:   365</>                          CALC:    1:    # 1994d

There are more than 365 days in a year, it is closer to 365.25, I would
have to look up a better number. But 727843/365.25=1992.72553046.

Roughly this gives 8/1992. I suspect if you used an accurate enough
number you will zero in. Unless there is some problem with the starting
date. Did not some King (Constantine?) drop 10 days from the calendar 
at some point in order to get Easter in the proper season?
 
>Uhm, somebody?  Did I sleep or something?
>
>The date across the top says "10/07/92".  What gives?
>
Rich

payner@netcom.com


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>Q: 4 / 1 is?     A: --+ b) 1
>                      \ c) The reason Van Halen kicked David Lee Roth out.
>
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>To the computer: windsor@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>
>
From: danc@unixg.ubc.ca (Dan Ciarniello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Help with strings wanted!
Date: 10 Oct 1992 00:39:55 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: loon.geog.ubc.ca
Keywords: string command line


In article <BvuvzC.6o9@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb) writes:
|> pshuprs@prism.gatech.EDU (Howlin' Bob) writes:
|> 
|> >if you are editing a string by itself (i.e. you have a string on
|> >level 1 and push the edit key, or down-arrow) then this problem can
|> >be solved by changing the number to some number which is LARGER than
|> >the string. so, do this
|> 
|> >  C$ 1000 BC..DA"
|> 
|> >and the parser will copy all 7 characters into your level 1 string, although
|> >it is really looking for 1000.
|> 
|> No need to resort to numbers. C$ $ ... will copy the enrire rest
|> of the commandline into the string. RTFM.
                                       ^^^^

>Excuse me, but I don't recall anything about C$ in the old FM.  I learned
>about C$ from this group.  Is it in the new manual?  If so, I (and probably
>many others) wouldn't know about it since we haven't any reason to buy
>the new FM (What can I get from the new FM that I haven't already 
>picked up from this group?).  RTFM seems somewhat harsh in this case.

>Dan.

>PS  If info about C$ does appear in th OFM feel free to correct me.

Well,  I'm somewhat shamefaced and I'll save Klaus the trouble of 
flaming me.

I was wrong, the C$ is in the OFM (shows you how closely I read it
the first few times).  
I tender my humble apologies to Klaus.

Dan.




--
Dan Ciarniello -  Graduate Student
Atmospheric & Geographic Sciences
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C.
e-mail: danc@geog.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: another bug?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:54:14 GMT

ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious. (ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU) wrote:
: if you enter SOLVER with an equation where the variables in the expression
: already exist as non-numeric objects, those particular variables
: do not appear in the menu keys...
: is this a bug or a feature?
: 
: eg...
: 'i'
: 'S' STO
: 'S^2+S' [SOLVE] [STEQ] [SOLVR]
: ...look no variables ;]
: 
: David Nurser

I suppose that in the case you mention, it could be called a bug.  (The solver
can't do complex solutions, but even 'e' in 'S' has the same effect.)
However, I'm sure that there is a good reason for doing this.  A program stored
in 'S' would probably not be a good idea to display in the SOLVR menu, even
though such things are (sometimes) useful, or even necessary, to have in
a solve equation.  A user-defined function (I don't know about this one myself,
but here goes . . .) obviously shouldn't be listed as a variable in the SOLVR
menu, but it's a variable in the solve equation.  I guess that HP decided the
only types that can be in a solve equation are real, complex (don't know why)
and unit types.

In the case you mention, it's important to note that 'i', 'e', '\pi', 'MAXR'
and 'MINR' aren't numbers, or even names - they are built-in functions, just
like COS or ^.  The only difference is that they have no parameters and return
either themselves or their number depending on the state of flag -2.  The
whole upshot of this is that functions can't be solved for, so they shouldn't
appear in the list.

Tim Pickett
From: blair@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Marc E Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: What is this "External"???
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:31:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Oct7.153104.23001
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Today I downloaded the poly routines from my local unix system (uuencoded)
and had a problem uudecoding them until I found out that there was an extra
"carriage return" after the end statement. I took this out and it uudecoded 
fine on the hp using Jan's program.  It produced a directory at level one
on my stack.  
	Then, accidentaly, I hit "down arrow", (invoking edit mode), and
to fix my mistake, hit "on" to leave this mode.  

	What I got back on the stack was  "External".  What's going on here?
My directory vanished.  Anyone have a clue?

Marc Blair
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ferdinan@htsa.aha.nl (Ferdinand de Boevere)
Subject: Re: Deleting Libraries
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:10:21 GMT

In article <BvE6KI.4B5@cs.dal.ca> sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) writes:
>	I have installed two library format programs on port0, they
>are tetris and rolodex with numbers 1700 and 807 respectivly. I would like
>to delete them, but when I follow the instructions in the book I get an
>error message 'Object in Use'. The book says to make sure all copies of
>the object are off the stack and try again. I confirm that all are off the
>stack and then try it again but to no avail. The procedure I'm following
>to do the delete is as follows:
>
>put :0:1700 on stack twice		\
>exec [MEM] [DETAC]			 \ This is what the book
>exec [LShift] [PURGE]			 / Suggests as the right way.
>  <Error message appears>		/
>
>Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>
>+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
>+ Name : Garth Sweet        + if (you(love(to(C)))) {                      +
>+ email: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca +   honk(loud);                                +
>+ phone: 902-865-8987       + }                                            +
>+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+


I know the problem

 You do the right,
 but first you have to reset the calculator
 by pressing ON-C and then purge the library.

 Remember that you will lose your lastargs
 and last stack.

greetings from Holland

P.S. you write about tetris and rolodex
     could you mail them to me ?
From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: SmartROM's World
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:56:43 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

The scheme reproduced below will help you to understand how SmartROM's World 
is conceived.
The great versatility of the SmartROM lets you quickly implement sophisticated
packages without wasting time in reinventing the wheel.
Those who are interested in developing packages based on the SmartROM may
apply to ForCALC for licensing.

    The license costs 14$ and comprehends the SmartROM library and 
    the Matrix Writer as well.

Since with the introduction of version 1:C the Hidden Commands Reference
manual is enclosed, anybody may experiment on its own, what does it mean
programming with the SmartROM.
                ______________
               /              \                     _____________
              |  Industrial    |                   /             \
              | custom Applic. |                  | Spreadsheet, |
               \______________/                   | formerly     |
                               \    Searching     | MatrixWriter |
  ____________                  \       &        / \_____________/
 /            \                  \   sorting    /            _______________
| Stand alone  |                  \___________ /            /                \
| SmartROM     |<-----------------/           \ -----------|  Licensed to     |
 \____________/                  |   SmartROM  |           |  Odd Bringslid   |
                     Utilities   |     32K     |  Symbolic |  for Calculus II |
                   ______________|    Kernel   |  math      \________________/
                 /                \___________/
                /  Machine lang.  /             \
  _____________/                 /   Graphics    \   ____________
 /             \                /                 \ /            \
|               |       _______|_____              |  Analytical  |
| ESA Assembler |      /             \             |  geometry &  |
|               |     |  Graphics     |            |  polinomial  |
 \_____________/      |  library &    |            |  manipulator |
                      |  Extensions   |             \____________/
                       \_____________/

__
* flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
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| The usual disclaimer does not apply      |   +59 440404 (Vox populi) |
| ForCALC's opinions are necessarily mine  |   +59 304490 (Fax dei)    |
From: akcs.n2kyw@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Syseval to check rx pin state?
Keywords: syseval serial i/o port
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2ad31565.1862comp.sys.hp48

Is there a simple syseval or other way to check the state of the serial
port's receive pin from a program?  I want to avoid any ml type overhead
stuff, so a single syseval would be ideal.
Thanks

Paul Smith
smit3223@nova.gmi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: liebea@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: What about 28S?
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:46:22 GMT

This news group is described as follows:

 comp.sys.hp48           Hewlett-Packard's HP48 and HP28 calculators.

I have a 28S, not a 48.  Most of the articles posted to this newsgroup
appear to be specifically for HP48 calculators.  When the model is not
specified, I would hardly feel secure issuing a SYSEVAL that may not be
intended for my calculator.  (Does anyone know where I can get
documentation for using SYSEVAL and other such matters not covered in
TFM?)

Will this newsgroup be useful to me, or should I unsubscribe (until such
time as I may become the proud owner of an HP48__)?

                                   -Adam Lieberman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: deboer@gate.esat.kuleuven.ac.be (De Boer Joannes)
Subject: test
Organization: Catholic University of Leuven, Belgium
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:36:22 GMT

test
From: terst1+@pitt.edu (Timothy E Rapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP48 as a terminal?  Help?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:43:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Is there software that allows the HP48 to perform as a very basic
terminal?  

Related question:  Is there an index that describes what is available
on the goodies disks?

Thanks in advance...
-Tim

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terst1+@pitt.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: HP48 Bug??? or feature
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:40:55 GMT

ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious. (ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU) wrote:
: that's right 'symb , no closing quote, and obviously, there was no way for
: me to delete this, other than to re-order the variables in the home
: dir, so that a non-empty dir appeared second, and then do a CLVAR.

A nice easy solution is to use the VARS command, then LIST\->.  Use the
interactive stack to put 'symb on the stack's level 1, then do a PURGE.
You can then DROP all the other names off the stack.

(The HP uses names starting with ' and # [I think the second one] as internal
globals in mathematically intensive commands, such as differentiation.  It
usually deletes them when it is finished, but a hard reset will not give it
the chance to do so.
By the way, a polynomial-coefficient program is included in the fabled POLY
collection, available, as always, by anonymous ftp to seq.uncwil.edu. It
gets around the problem you had [infinite series] by requiring a maximum-
order parameter which you put on the stack before running it.)

Tim Pickett