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From: h309@ellis.uchicago.edu (Unknown Author)
Subject: Re: ****MUSIC NOTATION PROGRAM****MSDOS****
Reply-To: h309@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:55:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.133610.12856@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day) writes:
>
>Has anyone else had success in even finding files in this directory at this site?
>When I ftp there and issue the cd to the directory given above it seems to move
>to that directory, but when I issue the "cd /msdos/music" and then issue the
>"dir" command, I do not get any directory listing.  It is as if the directory was
>empty.  I don't seem to have a problem ftp'ing to other sites on the Internet.
>Anyone else tried this?  Any suggestions/comments?
>


That's because the directory is empty - doesn't that suck?



>Thanks for your help.
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From: blecher@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Icarus P. Anybody)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Traveling Riverside Blues
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:11:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

With all this talk of slide guitar playing (just got a slide myself, in fact),
could someone post the chords/tab for this classic jam?  Thanks...

	- blecher@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jgn@vixen.uucp (22122-niederberger)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:57:07 GMT

In article <1684EC679.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey) writes:
>In my opinion, its not that Martin is doing something right, but that
>they did something right.  The old Martins are some of the finest playing
>and sounding guitars I've come across, but since the late 60's there has
>been a noticable drop-off in their quality.  My brother-in-law has a
>1976 D-28 that has some real quality problems.  For one thing, the
>guitar's truss rod is not adjustable, and the neck is bowed to the point
>that the action is more like that of a Dobro and not of a guitar.  Also,
>the pickguard is peeling off.  This guitar has no scratches or dents, so
>it obviously has not been abused.  With the guitars that are available now
>for the same price and much better quality (Guild, Takamine, Taylor, etc.)
>I can't see why anyone would buy a Martin except for the name.
> 
>IMHO (no flames please)

Your humble opinion is obviously ill-informed, behind-the-times,
of-low-quality, and not-to-be-taken-seriously.   

That's just my opinion (no flames please).


While it's true that Martin did experience a quality decline in the
seventies due to ramping up production, they were still better on
average than just about any other large producer at the time.  Today
is a totally different story.  Martin is putting out some of the best
quality instruments ever, and the only way I could back this statement
up is to say "go try one, or two, or better yet, a whole shop full
(for example, Mandolin Bros.)"

No matter who is building them, an individual guitar is an
*individual*.  No two are the same, even if they share a model number
and were made by the same person on the same day from the same wood
stock.  Even a master luthier produces a "dog" now and then
(relatively speaking, an instrument that is below his/her "average")
as well as an occasional "superstar".  We shouldn't confuse "quality"
with "consistency" although the two are related.

I'm not saying that Martin's are the ultimate, but it pisses me off to
see an excellent company maligned by an ignoramus.

BTW, Taylors are nice instruments, comparable to Martin in terms of
quality. 

Guilds? Ha HA HA HA HA!!

IMHO (no flames please).

Joe N.
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:18:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <Bto14D.KDA@scd.hp.com>, brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
wrote:
> 
> It the eternal quest for new and different sounds...
> 
> Has anyone played around with using a bow (like that used with a violin)
> on a guitar?  I realize the traditional position of a guitar might make
> it a bit awkward, but it could generate some interesting sounds.
> 
> Don't most stringed instruments use nylon strings?  Would there be an
> additional problem trying to use a bow on the metal strings of an
> acoustic or electric guitar?
> 
> Thoughts or experiences?
> 
> 							Brett Carver
> 							(707) 577-4344
> 							brett@sr.hp.com

Gee, where have you been? Or am I that old? Never saw Led Zeppelin, eh?
Jimmy Page started messing with that as far back as 1967, and if you check
out "Dazed and Confused" from LZ I (and there may be live/bootleg versions
floating around) you can hear some of the wierd shit he came up with doing
that...
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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7645 rec.music.makers:9293
From: jmgst26@pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
Subject: Need instructions for DigiTech GS5 guitar effects processor
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:40:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jmgst26@unix.cis.pitt.edu

I bought this used at a music shop, and was concerned that I couldn't figure
out how to operate it.  They photocopied the instructions to the GS7 for me,
but I have a GS5 and the LCD read-outs mean zippo to me, they are not the same.

If anyone has the manual, I will cover your postage, photocopying, and any otherexpenses if you could send it to me.

I need only certain information, so if you have the manual, email me, and we may
be able to do it without US Snail.

Thanks so much!

Mike Goodwin
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Squier HM4 info Please.
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:23:39 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

I am away to buy a better electric guitar than the one I am using at the moment
and I would like to know something about this guitar before I order it. The
guitar is a SQUIER HM4. It has 2 humbuckers and one single coil, a floyd and a
rosewood through neck. I would like to know how it feels and what size the
frets are also whether it is well enough made for the through neck to be an
advantage inasmuch as how well it sustains. Also any info on the sound of the
pickups would be appreciated. I don't want to buy it then find the bridge
pickup sounds really dull and not squeally. just one more thing, Is the output
from it high enough to distort easily as my distortion channel on my valvestate
20 isn't up to much.  


Also how much you paid for it, I have shopped around and the lowest price I 
can get is 399 pounds which is about 800 dollars. Unfortunately Fender have 
discontinued this model.


Thanks in advance and i'll write to you later

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.misc
From: quinlan@spsd630a.erim.org (Kevin Quinlan)
Subject: Stevie Ray remembered...
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:08:14


On the anniversary of the tragic death of Stevie Ray Vaughan, I 
thought I'd share my favorite Stevie Ray show with everyone...

It was two years ago, Good Friday 1990 at the Michigan Theatre in Ann Arbor,
which is a very intimate 1000 seats or so. I had the priviledge of third
row seats, and Stevie was definitely ON that nite. I'll never forget when
Stevie was in a full jam he broke a string on his No. 1 Strat(the '59). 
He never stopped playing. His guitar technician came from behind him, 
unstrapped No. 1, and strapped on his white Strat backup. Stevie only 
missed a few notes and needless to say, the crowd went nuts. It's funny, 
of all the years I've attended concerts, Stevie was about the only performer 
that made me sit back in my seat with a half tear in my eye thinking, 
"Holy Sh*t!". He was that good live. Anyway, two days after the Good Friday 
show, Eric Clapton was playing at the Palace of Auburn Hills, and I also 
had the good fortune of having tickets to that show as well. I had a 
thought in the back of my mind that maybe Stevie would show up. Sure enough, 
he did. Eric & Stevie started out in a typical blues number that wound out 
into solos. Eric started with his typical tight blues progression. When he 
turned it over to Stevie, the bluesman just tore it up. I had binoculars 
on Eric's face during this, and the look on his face was sheer disbelief. 
The crowd, of course, went nuts as Stevie had clearly stolen the limelight 
from Eric. E.C. came back with more intensity afterwards, but there was no 
way he could match the energy Stevie Ray had generated...

Fortunately, his music lives on... Sigh..

Kevin Q.
--
Kevin Quinlan
Research Engineer                                  
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan       
Ann Arbor, Michigan                                
INTERNET: quinlan@erim.org
From: easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: dokken
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:31:10 CDT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <HARPER.92Aug25113017@godot.think.com>, harper@godot.think.com (Jim Harper) writes:> I was wondering if anyone knows the tab to the solo in Dokkens
> "Tooth and Nail" (I tried alt guitar tab but to no avail).

Have you got around to learning "Mr. Scary" yet?  It's pretty
rewarding..   I've figured out most of the rhythm sections, but the
solo spots are particularly complex and tricky--few are easy to hear
right off the bat.  Do you know of any tab books that have this song
in them?  I've been looking forever.  The only think I can come up
with are those books that tell you what notes the rhythm guitar is
playing (and they don't bother to be precise, either).

Any help would be appreciated,
Treewire

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Strap buttons
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 18:32:24 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland
	<1685688B2.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>

> Screw it into the lower side of the neck heel.  Going into the lower side
> helps the button to bind better.  I've done this to every acoustic I've
> owned with no adverse side effects.  I wouldn't suggest screwing it into
> the body cavity; the wood is just too thin to hold it.  If you're shaky
> about doing this to your "baby", take it to the nearest reputable guitar
> shop and have it done.

I just had this done on my Yamaha acoustic at a local music shop.
Parts + labor was about $5.  They too said the bottom of the neck heel
was the best place for it, and I'm very happy with the location; the
guitar balances very well on the strap.
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: WANTED: stewart mcdonald's mail order phone #
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:02:51 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

In article <24041@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney) writes:
 
>
>
>cheers all!  i lost the last post that listed the phone # for
>stewart mcdonald's (?) mail order.  could someone be so kind
>and send it my way again?  thanks much...
>
>turn to 11...
>
>bill
>========================
>doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>bethesda, MD   USA
>========================
 
1-800-848-2273
 
have fun!
 
brian
 
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: dxk21@po.cwru.edu (Dave K. - Mr. Mavis)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:44:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.045100.11948@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:


>I think the glam band u were referring to might have been Whitesnake...
>I recall seeing one of the film clips back abouit 5-6 years ago, and the
>lead player was playing with a bow (Vandenberg????) certainly before Vai

>Can't quite remember the song, 'bout the time of "Is This Love?", had 
>Tawny Kitaen in the vid (sha-wing :-))


    The song / video you're referring to is "Still of the Night"


later
From: rsoc@doc.ic.ac.uk (Rob O'Connor)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar buying advice
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:44:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: fulmar.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <168506FEE.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey) writes:
>
> 
>If you are looking for a steel string guitar, I'd suggest Seagull.  These
>guitars claim to be hand made and are in the $175 to $500 range.  All of
>the guitars that I've played have been superior to any other guitar in
>that range.  Their quality tends to be like some of the $600 - $750 guitars
>that I've seen.  You really get a lot of value for your buck, and they usually
>have really good action (especially for the price).
> 

Yup, seconded! They are _very_ good guitars for the price. I bought one for my
girlfriend a year ago, and I seem to play it most now ;-) It's comparable to
my Ovation (can't remember which one, but not cheap) in quality.
These guitars are very hard to come by in the UK which is a shame 'cos we
could do with something decent in the lower/middle range.
The Seagulls also look gorgeous, waxed (?) wood instead of varnish. Mmm!

Rob.
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Internet: rsoc@doc.ic.ac.uk   Tel: +44 71 589 5111 x5070   Fax: +44 71 581 8024
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: JBL speakers
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:26:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

JBL 15" D-130s came up in a recent post.  Here's the gist of a conversation
I had with JBL recently:

Me: I've got some JBL D-130s I need to have reconed.

Them: That's around $100-$120 parts (depends on exact spkr/impedance) +
       $15 labor + $35 "top-plate kit" (something about the machine shop
       changing something on old frames to handle new recone kits)

Me: Wow (or 'Shit', or something right up there), that's way high.  How much
       do these things cost new from you?

Them: Discontinued.  Equivalent? E-130-8 (8 ohm 15"), soon to be discontinued
       also.  Sugg. retail $295

Me: Shit! <phone going click>

Moral: dead JBLs are trash.  I got an Ampeg B25B loaded with 2 D-130s for
$160 (*very* used, speakers perfect).  Unloaded that sucker and put the
spkrs in custom cabs.  Awesome stereo bass rig, which I 'surround' the
drummer with.

Sad, but the frames from my JBLs that I blew back in that heavy metal band
will now hang in my garage as a legacy to the wasteful nature of our society.

Oh well, they saw a lot of use, misuse, and abuse before they shucked off
the mortal coil.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and wondering...do speakers 'remember'?)
From: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Crowe)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: For Sale: GSP-21
Date: 3 Sep 1992 00:47:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: steamers


For sale: GSP-21, excellent condition, still in the box, including manual

	--> $350 <--

The GSP-21 is a rack mounted guitar effects unit (Guitar Signal Processor
is where the GSP comes from).  All effects are digital except for the
distortion, which is analog.  Fully MIDI.

It includes a *very nice* foot controller, and the user interface is the
best I've seen.  You don't really need to read the manual to use the thing.

The effects include:

	64 preset sounds, and 64 user-definable sounds
	Analog distortion, 4 kinds
	Digital compression
	Digital noise gate
	Digital graphics equalizer
	Digital stereo chorus
	Digital flange
	Digital stereo delay, several kinds
	Digital reverb, several kinds
	Speaker simulator, several kinds

If you're interested, contact me at Robert.Crowe@Eng.Sun.COM
From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Hitting your axe with sticks
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:10:26 GMT
Reply-To: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <9208281315.AA26836@bessel.umd.edu>, glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D.
Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
|> Someone mentioned seeing someone else play a guitar 
|> using drumsticks, and mentioned that the guitar had
|> taken a bit of a beating.
|> 
[... interesting stuff on using a guitar like a hammered dulcimer using
a ballpoint pen...]

The person in question wasn't playing his guitar to make dulcet tones:
he was playing it in a desparate attempt to provide a suitable rhythmn
section for the flute/whistle player of the band, who I can best
describe as looking and behaving like Rasputin on speed. The third
member of the band was almost normal.

-- david elworthy
From: holtslander@skyfox.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: Slide guitar
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:27:38 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

The key to playing slide guitar is to tune the guitar to an open tuning
ie when all the strings are played open the constitute a chord.

The two traditional tunings are open G DGDGBD low to high and
open D DADF#AD low to high

You can get your root based riffs open at 3rd and 12th frets
your fourth based riffs at the 5th fret And your fifth based riffs at
the seventh fret.

It really helps to have your action a little higher otherwise you bash the
frets.

I play lots of slide Email me if you like

Gord Holtslander                When you dance to the blues
Holtslander@skyfox.usask.ca     The drummer owns your soul
From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T. Dudek)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:16:30 GMT
Organization: UB

loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.125713.28032@mksol.dseg.ti.com> ctalbott@mksol.dseg.ti.com (christopher j talbott) writes:
>I've taken a
>stab at bowing my guitar in the past.  You go through bows very quickly.
>They tear up like champs.  

I've had the same viola bow for 5 years, and I haven't ripped even one of
the bow strings yet.  I guess it depends on your technique.  If your going
to thrash with it, you probably will rip it.

>You can get a lot of very cool sounds and neat
>stuff, but in the end, if you like Led Zeppelin, you'll feel like you're just
>ripping off Jimmy Page.  Anyway, I wouldn't be caught dead bowing a guitar
>in public because I'd be labeled as a Page rip off.  

This probably belongs in another discussion altogether, but every musician
is influenced, intentionally or not, by the music he/she listens to in the
same manner that everyone is socialized as children.  Just because you are
playing with a bow (or tapping, etc.) does not mean you are ripping anyone
off.  EX: Nobody says you are ripping off James Taylor because you play an
open G-chord with a pick.  Do whatever the hell you want and have fun.
That's what music is about.

>However, I do belive
>it is a legitimate technique and if you have the guts to do it live go
>for it.

Yes, but it also has to be for you.  I've found some neat ways to use it
myself, both for sound effects and as a background drone like an organ.
Experiment!  Try all kinds of things like springs, small appliances, (ex:
power drill), magnets, and whatever else you can think of.  Just remember
that such effects have their place, and it is your job to find a balance
between straight playing and other techniques that is pleasing to the ear. 
-- 
--David Thomas Dudek  aka: the "DUDE"  |  "The opinions expressed are those of
  University at Buffalo                |   my alter id, and do not reflect     
  V098PWXS@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU        |   gamma rays in any way, shape or 
  dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu               |   form."
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
From: denio@scubed.com (Dennis C. O'Neill)
Subject: Re: ****MUSIC NOTATION PROGRAM****MSDOS****
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.165523.16655@midway.uchicago.edu> h309@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.133610.12856@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day) writes:

> > Has anyone else had success in even finding files in this directory at
> > this site?  When I ftp there and issue the cd to the directory given
> > above it seems to move to that directory, but when I issue the "cd
> > /msdos/music" and then issue the "dir" command, I do not get any
> > directory listing.  It is as if the directory was empty.  I don't seem
> > to have a problem ftp'ing to other sites on the Internet.  Anyone else
> > tried this?  Any suggestions/comments?

>That's because the directory is empty - doesn't that suck?

No, it's because "dir" doesn't work on that machine.  The files are there
and are transferrable.

-- 
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: n3884@cray.com (Peter Palmer,#Rich Franta)
Subject: Cheap Reverb
Reply-To: n3884@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:36:40 CDT

I'm looking for a cheap, minimal feature reverb (1/4 inch in/out with a simple
depth and rate control).  

I went to my local mega-music store (Guitar Center in Roseville, MN) and was treated
rudely (as usual) by an overly-hip, underly-informed hipster who wouldn't talk to
me about anything except his rack unit with 256 presets and all sorts of knobs.

If anyone has any mail order prices on the most simple of units, I'd appreciate it.
All I want is to add a touch of the reverb effect to my guitar and/or vocals.

Thanks!!

Pete Palmer  

n3884@cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: luke@cowan.edu.au (L.RAYNER)
Subject: Re: Hitting your axe with sticks
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:22:48 GMT

glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:

>Someone mentioned seeing someone else play a guitar 
>using drumsticks, and mentioned that the guitar had
>taken a bit of a beating.

You should take a listen to an Australian guitarist called Tommy Emmanuel.  He
uses his fingertips and a pick for that "PERCUSSIAN" type sound.  He does a
killer "DRUM" solo in concert and his song Initiation (from the CD Determinationis absolutely brilliant, in its use of percussian and general playing
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