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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: I'd have to think hard to come up with a more offensive insult!
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:00:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

This sort of reminds me of that Saturday Night Live episode where Jeff
Daniels was on.  During the "Copy Room Guy" skit, he played a guy who sang
peoples names to the tune of a popular song (we all know the Copy Room Guy
made words out of peoples names).  Still, at the end of the skit, the two
inevitably end up arguing.  A third guy comes in and tells them to break it
up, that they should be friends because they are both equally annoying.

Don't know why I just thought of that episode, but I did.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who made the NBA prosper? (Re: All North Carolina team)
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:28:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug21.194921.10655@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>Hmmm... where shall we begin. Perhaps by repeating the quote given at Bird's 
>retirement... "The NBA will see another Michael Jordan long before it will ever
>see another Larry Bird" (or Magic Johnson for that matter). You see, there are 

You don't think Red might be a little bit biased in the matter do you?
>you just ain't gonna see another Bird or Magic come as often as another Jordan.
>Jordan is undoubtedly the best athlete in the NBA, but what MADE the NBA wasn't
>just great athletes (there were plenty of those back before Bird and Magic, plenty
>who did things people thought were spectacular, like we see Jordan today). What
>MADE the NBA was the spectacular non-scoring plays, by men such as Bird and
>Johnson. Sure, getting the points was cool, but to see some of the unprecedented
>passes and other non-scoring plays these guys made gave a whole new light to the
>NBA. Anyone can dunk (or miss one embarassingly in a playoff game against NY. ha!)

Which would explain why the old time players like Cousy are always complaining
how there is no team play today and in the old days passinq was revered
and people knew how to play better. If cousy is right, how come the NBA
wasn't much more popular then? Because for one thing it wasn't on tv
every night.

And if its passing and unselfishness that saved the NBA, then why the
heck did they relax all the rules to increase scoring so much? They don't
call travelling, they don't call 3 seconds, they have the ridiculous
continuation rule, they added the 3 pointer, they added the illegal defense
rule, it sure sounds to me like they thought that the fans wanted to
see fast breaks and spectacular dunks and 125-124 games so they relaxed
the rules.

Bird and Magic were/are great passers, and were revolutionary players,
but they were the beneficiaries of great timing. they entered the league
when there was no dominant team, and they entered just about the time
cable was starting to make an impact in televised sports.

Did Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco make baseball? No, they simply benefitted
from the huge tv contracts and massive exposure.




Russ Smith
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"I have a limo, I ride in the back. I lock the doors in case I'm attacked".
I live in hotels, tear out the wall. I have accountants pay for it all".

                                   -"Life's Been Good" - Joe Walsh
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Shoe teams
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: n
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.172017.26832@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)    writes...
>    I thought Shaq signed with Reebok.
> 
> 

Being in the Boston area, I know that Shaq signed with Reebok since it is one 
of the largest companies in this area. In fact, they played "Love Shack" at 
the press conference up here when Reebok announced that he signed a contract 
with them. I think it pays him $3 million a year.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Sixers Fanatic"
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Shoe teams
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:11:14 GMT


	I was wondering -- just what shoe company could launch their own
	version of a "Dream Team" using the players that endorse their
	shoes?  We all know about Nike (could have Jordan, Pippen, 
	Robinson, Mullin, Stockton, Barkley, etc) -- but what about:

	Converse:  Larry Johnson
	(alas, Magic ended his contract; Bird & Dr. J are retired)

	Reebok:  Dee Brown, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Reggie Lewis,
	and many others?

	Puma:  Isiah Thomas (at least from what I last heard)

	LA Gear:  Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone 
	(and of course, good old Kareem)

	BK:  Derrick Coleman

	Feel free to add to the list.  Any comments?  From 1st glance,
	it would appear that LA Gear would have the inside game hands down.

	Jazzy J
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From: jamesyu@austin.ibm.com (J.T.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Celtics
Keywords: Celtics rookies camp
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: jamesyu@sysdev.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM - Austin, Texas
Originator: jamesyu@sysdev.austin.ibm.com


Any news on the Celtics camp?  From what I hear Barry is a lost cause, but
Bird is definitely coming back (mixed emotions here).

My real question is does it look like ANYONE besides Lewis will be able to hit
from beyond 10 ft?
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From: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: End of minority ownership / Comsat owns MIGHTY NUGGETS
Keywords: Comsat owns 100%
Reply-To: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:43:50 GMT



There is no more minority ownership (as the press always refers
to it) in pro basketball.  On Wednesday Comsat, majority owners
of the MIGHTY NUGGETS franchise, bought out Chicago businessman
Peter Bynoe's holdings, so they now own 100% of the Nuggs.

Two years ago a group headed by Bynoe and Bertram Lee bought a
minority interest in the Nuggets (the majority owner became 
Comsat (led by Robert Wussler)), and it was hailed as a breakthrough,
because there was finally minority ownership in pro sports.
Within the last year Lee encountered financial difficulties and
his shares were relinquished (Lee wasn't paying his rent in Denver,
and his belongings were tossed out on the sidewalk during the
eviction process).  That left just Bynoe, a man not well-liked
in Denver because 1) he was rarely here and 2) he couldn't give
a straight, truthful answer about the running of the franchise to
save his life.

Now Bynoe is gone too.  The Nuggs day-to-day operations will be
handled by GM Bernie Bickerstaff and President Tim Liewicke.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: daydreaming and flamefest welcome
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:33:42 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

Do you think Chicago Bulls can beat Crotia and Lithu... at thier homestands?

Is it crazy to have two big man signed with Orlando Magics? (Oneal and Roberts)

With Gug gone, the Bullets will be the same stinky team.

Do you beleive the Dream Team can post 82-0 record playing NBA this year?

Bird will make a miracle comeback for 1992-1993 year.

One white man will finally win slamdunk competition this AllStar event.

Magic will make his comeback but end breifly after become too exhausted.

Will Magic use same #32 or use different one because #32 is already retired?

NBA will be out of business by the year of 2004 because of salary feud and fans
giving up cuz we can not afford to spend 75 dollars for zzz99 seat in the top
corner of staduim.

If Phoneix did not make to the Finals, Barkely will demand a trade.

Threepeat is on the way!
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 14 Aug 1992 14:12:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

>> "Wayne" == Wayne C. Cook <m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov> writes:

>> Basketball requires many abilities.  All of them
>> can be improved upon except for jumping ability, and quickness.  

Not true. There are ways to improve both of these abilities via improving
lower body strength and form. To say all these high flyers in the NBA were 
born with a 44" vertical is unfair. Most had to work hard to achieve this level. 
Same is true with world class sprinters. They have to train hard to reach
peak performance. The question is how well does each individual respond to
such training? But I won't get into that.

> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:

> Put up or shut up. Studies please. Not just your trivially empirical
> observations.  Also, you need to prove that jumping and quickness are the
> *primary* factors in NBA, NCAA, and high school success

Jumping and quickness (lateral quickness to be precise) are very important
in basketball, particularly on defense. What do you hear the most about the
European players who have spent time with NBA teams? "Defensive liability".
Jumping ability obviously allows you to block shots. However, defense against
the drive starts with good foot work and good foot speed. If you don't have it,
then the offensive player just goes around you. If you back off against the drive,
you leave him open for an easy jumper. In the NBA, almost everyone can hit
an open 15 footer.

On offense these factors are not as important. A good jump shot and head fake
can neutralize most of a defender's speed advantages.  By faking, you make the
defender more careful when he jumps to block a shot since he doesn't want to
get caught in the air while you stroll by. And you don't have to be fast to be
a good passer.  However, if you don't have speed, it is more difficult to generate
your own shot. This means you either have to be a post-up player or you have to
look for your shot off of screens or good ball movement.

So basicly if you don't have vertical or foot speed, you're a defensive liability, which
means unless you can score well to make up for it, you won't get much playing time.
No playing time means no success.

This observations by the way are from my experience in pick-up games.

-Bennet
From: eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:30:34 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.

>
>3) If this posting reflects things to come (not to mention that you are
>   a lowly Pistons fan -- Rodman sucks, Laim-beer sucks, Isiah is a crybaby
>   superstar wannabe, CHICAGO RULES), maybe we need a kill file for you.
>

I don't think so! Rodman is one of the best 'hustlers' and defenders in the 
league.
Laim-beer may have his personality problems, but he's a stable scorer 
for the PISTONS and has a deadly outside shot.
Isiah may be a crybaby now, but you have to respect his BBALL career.
And lets not leave out Joe Dumars, who I think is probably the most 'steady' 
guards in the league as far as offensive+defensive ability.

Just my opinions being a PISTONS fan and also
    JORDAN and CHICAGO blows!!!!!

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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:24:49 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3eDh03qL59jy00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>interesting. I wanna know why young black kids place such a premium on being 
>a great athlete to the exclusion of academic pursuits.

We don't.  It's another racist myth, that tries to hide the fact that
blacks, on the average, get the shaft more in the US than anyone else
with the exception of maybe the American Indians.  I forget who said
this but the quote goes "Blacks have been in America for over 365 years
and people who have been here only 365 days have walked past us".

The middle school I went to was a 2 year waste of time for me.  
To give you an example in the middle school, that I went to
we had a teacher named John Day whose idea of giving a test
was to give you the answers the day before, with the promise
that he will change the way the questions are worded.  My
math teachers repeated the 5th and 6th grade work in the 7th
and 8th.  It was tougher in the 5th and 6th.  One had the nerve
to tell me practice makes perfect, when I asked her why we
kept repeating the same thing, and why it was so easy.

She is right, practicing to be underclass often makes
perfect.

How exactly do kids, who live in this sort of educational enviroment
for much longer than I did, are they supposed to compete with what
is often a 5th rate education?

5th rate because 1: Not Wealthy, 2: Not Middle Class, 3: Not White
4: Black.

The few of us who do succeed from this type of background do it
through a lot of hard work.

Everytime I here morons like you spread this racist shit around
I just makes me happy I didn't grow up here and wasn't born here.  
Funny now that I think of it, most of the kids from that school
who were somewhat successful weren't born here either.
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: American athletes and the Olympics
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:46:29 GMT

In article <5698@osc.COM> ashwin@osc.osc.com (Ashwin Honkan) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>that opinion. I attended that event at the '84 Olympics and it confirmed
>my opinion of Mary Decker as a poor sport and a whiner. It may surprise you
			.
			.
			.
>apparent reason, Mary told reporters that 'I bet Pattisue hates me'. Plumer
>went on to say that Mary is perhaps the most disliked (American) athlete, 
>even in her own country.
All true; everything I know about Decker confirms
that she's a royal pain to those around her.  How-
ever, she does have an extremely attractive stride
(serious; I've seen her at a couple of national
meets, and 'twas a thrill), and her performances
at the '83 WC rank up there with the best of all
time.
>
>The Zola-Mary duel was hyped up, as usual, by the press when neither of them
>should have been considered a favourite. Mary, while being an undisputed
>US champion for all intermediate distances, holds NO world records and
>Marcicia Puica, the Romanian who ended winning both the 1500m and 3000m at
>LA in '84, should have been the favourite. But I suppose being an American
>makes one an automatic medal contender, right ?
>
>> This year we have seen American Boxers, Eric Griffin most notably,
>> declared a loser EVEN though all the judges had him ahead on their
>> scoring cards! 
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but that travesty of justice was a result of an
>idiotic computerized scoring system and not an anti-American bias. In 
Those more knowledgeable than I tell me *any*
objective scoring system for boxing will yield
idiocies.  I write that not to dispute you,
just to send the discussion in a different
direction.
			.
			.
			.
>comes from the Mary Deckers and Bob Samuelsons and Gwen Torrences. However, 
>I am happy that for each one of these poor sports, there are ten Evelyn 
>Ashfords, Jackie-Joyners and Matt Biondis from the same country who are as 
>graceful in victory as they are in defeat.
Evelyn, yes!  Did USA broadcast commentators
give her any attention?  She sure deserves it.

Keep in mind also such folks as Francie Laurieu,
lots of the wrestlers, Mike Conley, ...
			.
			.
			.
-- 

Cameron Laird
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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:12:55 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BsvzI5.LBy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>
>>	Florida
>>	Starter 		Backup
>>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
>>				Mychal Thompson
>>PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
>>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
>				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>				Is this Tito Horford you're talking about?

I thought Tito went to UMiami? I'm thinking of the white kid who was the senior
leadership of the Chris Jackson/Shaq/Stanley Roberts teams. I can't remember
his name but he had a solid all-around game and always seemed to get that key 
rebound or make the clutch shot. 


>
>>SG	Vernon Maxwell		Andrew Moten
>>PG	Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery
>
>>	North Carolina  
>>	Starter 		Backup
>>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>>PF	Bailey			Reid
>>SF	Worthy			
>>SG	Jordan			
>>PG	?????			Bogues? 
>
>	Some of these guys weren't from North Carolina.  Scott Williams
>	is from out in California, and JR Reid is from Virginia.  Are U
>	defining college ball as qualification?

No, I'm looking for nativity here... I think I stated in my rules that you 
have to have at least played high school ball there to be considered a product 
of the state. If you lived in FLA and your parents moved to GA before your
senior year, you're still an FLA product in my book.  

>
>	Here's an all-Kentucky team:
>
>	C -- Mel Turpin
>	F -- Jack Givens
>	F -- Winston Bennett
>	G -- Darrell Griffith
>	G -- Allan Houston
>
>	Or what about an all-Lexington team:
>	C -- Turpin (Bryan Station) 
>	F -- Givens (Bryan Station) 
>	F -- Frank Kornet (Lexington Catholic)
>        G -- Dirk Minniefield (Lafayette)
>        G -- Sean Sutton (Henry Clay)
>        G -- Darrin Horn (Tates Creek)
>        G -- Darnell Burton (Dunbar)   * - will probably turn out to be
>					   the best of this group.
>

Where was Sean Kemp from? 


-- 
Ronnie
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: ALL STATE OF MICHIGAN TEAM!!!!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:17:04 GMT

In article <1dON027i1e4X01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>
>list of Michigan stars not included.
>
>Are you serious? you couldn't make a team of 12 from these guys that would
>beat John Thompson's team in '88, not to mention Lithuania or Croatia.

You absolutely correct!! We would only need 5, FAB FIVE that is, to kick
the wong out these guys.   Those feeble teams are no match...for the
power of the FAB FIVE..(not to mention the rest of the talent in this state
mentioned early).
>
>Michael Wong
 Micheal..I find you lack of faith...*DISterbing*


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From: boyd@Asylum.CC.MsState.Edu (Boyd Nation)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:04:32 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University


For such a small state, Mississippi could throw a decent team together:

C	Larry Smith
PF	Derrick McKey
SF	Clarence Weatherspoon
SG	Jeff Malone
PG	Chris Jackson

Backups:

Randolph Keys, Litterial Green, Othello Harrington, Gregg Carter, 
James Robinson, Kenny Payne


I'm only dealing with current players here.  If we change to an all-time 
basis, you can throw in Bailey Howell and the Short brothers, among others.

How well this team does depends somewhat on what rules they play by.  Chris
Jackson is an obvious liability if they play by pro rules, but a definite
plus under college rules.  They're a little undersized, but the prospect of
seeing Smith and `spoon -- two of the hardest-working players I've ever 
seen -- on the floor together is exciting.  Power forward is probably the
weak spot, Harrington might fit better there.

Am I forgetting anyone?

--
Boyd Nation                 boyd@cc.msstate.edu               Stress kills.
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: I'ts over
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:11:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.150120.24198@bmerh85.bnr.ca> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:


Just as a reminder.  In many areas, committing forgery of a person's mail
identity in such a manner is often considered an offense similar to mail 
forgery.  If you dislike the conversations between Ed and myself, kill files
work well, so does skipping the articles.  Committing forgery of this sort
is not taken highly and I would suggest the stoppage, or at least a better
attempt at it.  When you forge the address from the mail header, don't forget
that the audit trail for replies points back to you, Mr. "bmerh85.bnr.ca"...

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls suggestions from a humble fan (no, I DONT like Krause...)
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:32:24 GMT


I hate to have to be the one to point this out, but why would anyone in
their right minds trade for Perdue, Hansen and Paxson???  If they did,
what could the Bulls hope to pick up that would help them: Greg Kite??