HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252)
Subject: Re: Ileaf dropping DOS?
Followup-To: comp.text.interleaf
Summary: Are they? Not.
Reply-To: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:06:24 GMT


tjones@access.digex.com writes:

>I've heard rumors that Interleaf is dropping DOS support.
>Does anybody else know anything about this?
>
>[  Tom Jones     ]

The truth in fact, is far from it. Our latest product to run on DOS 
(Interleaf 5) is one of the most robust publishing applications to run
in the environment. Interleaf 5 for DOS is also interoperable with our 
UNIX and VMS based versions of Interleaf 5. It includes all of the 
funtionality of our workstation-based product (tables, equations,
charting, graphics, etc.) plus some additional features that allow us to 
run in Microsoft Windows 3.1 environments without extra memory managers 
or special set-ups.

We are currently shipping a new release (as of June '92) of our
DOS product, Interleaf 5.2.02. This version is a North American general
customer shipment and is also being used to fulfill upgrades from Interleaf
IBM Publisher 3.x. We are currently working on an upcoming release of
our DOS product v. 5.3 that will include international localizations,
Revision Tracking, and better support for running from within a Microsoft
Windows 3.1 environment (as a DOS application) as some of the major 
features included. 

Also we have just recently shipped WorldView for Windows 1.0, our 
intelligent electronic document distribution and retrieval product
and have announced a version of our RDM product for Microsoft Windows. 
I hope this dispels the rumors.


Regards,

David Buchholz, 
Product Marketing Manager,
Desktop Products
Interleaf, Inc.







-- 
David Buchholz, Product Manager Filters, Fonts & Printing
Interleaf, Inc.
Tel: 617.290.4990 x3252 email: buck@ileaf.com or unnet!leafusa!buck
From: dnf@suned1.nswses.navy.mil (David N Fukes)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: Suggestion
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:18:09 GMT
Organization: US Navy (Port Hueneme Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center)

Sounds like a swell idea to me! How 'bout it Interleaf?
-- 
David N. Fukes
NSWC, PHD Code 4V12
Port Hueneme, CA 93043-5007
            Any statements/opinions made here are not the Navy's.
From: wjh+@LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (Wilfred Hansen)
Newsgroups: cmu.cs.general,comp.text
Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:41:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: LOAN1.geo8lia00gpmAJC2s3
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Several respondents to my previous post about the Andrew Consortium
newsletter have raised questions which point out other ways to read the
news:

on AFS, the newsletter is at 
	/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d

To interpret the .d file, you should read it with ez, the Andrew object
editor.  For other versions see .../newsletters/ASCII/92Sept.ascii and
.../newsletters/PostScript/92Sept.ps

Best of all, you can read the Andrew version via the remote demo
service.  To get the service started,
	finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu
		or
	finger help@128.2.30.51
and follow directions.  After the service is running and displays its
initial window, click on the "ez" button to get the editor.  Then type
control-X-control-V and answer the prompt with the file name:
	/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d

Have fun reading the news.

Fred Hansen
Director, Andrew Consortium


Send comments or requests to 	info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu
Send bug reports to 	info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu
From: mwm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Maimone)
Newsgroups: cmu.cs.general,comp.text
Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:42:41 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

The IP adress for atk.itc.cmu.edu appears to be 128.2.45.46, not
the one posted by fred (128.2.30.51). The latter address didn't
work for me, the former did (after downloading fonts).

-- 
Mark Maimone				phone: +1 (412) 268 - 7698
Carnegie Mellon Computer Science	email: mwm@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us
Subject: Troff, ghostscript, psroff: Request for Help!
Organization: :
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:39:07 GMT

Hi,
	I hope this isn't old ground; it's just one exit past the FAQ.  I
don't receive the group, (I do receive news.answers and the FAQ) so if
you don't mind helping, please send mail.  The addresses in the signature
are good.  (If you want to flame me, please-don't-but-if-you-must-you'll-
have-to-use-mail.)

	I'm trying to get troff to feed ghostscript.  It's a sysVr4/386
troff (ESIX 4.03) and doesn't come with  makedev (as far as I and find(1)
can see).  I snarfed psroff3.0 off uunet, with patches 1-10.  There seem
to be some missing files in psroff.  Several `DESC' files are missing and
I can't seem to force it to produce anything that looks like the font
descriptions under /usr/ucblib/doctools/font/*  (where * is either  devaps
or  devpost ).

	Does anyone know what I should do next?  Postscript being what it
is, it ought to be possible to make the fonts generate the tables, but I
don't know enough about either Postscript or the tables to pull it off.
Or is there another way?
-- 
 (This man's opinions are his own.)
 From mole-end				Mark Terribile

 mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us, Somewhere in Matawan, NJ
From: aconway@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: ODA info?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:14:24 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good overview of the ODA document
model? On-line information would be ideal, but titles of good books etc. would
also help. In particular, where can one get copies of ISO/DIS 8613, and is it
available on-line?

Thanks,
Alan.
From: srn@techno.com (Steven R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: SMDL work to recommence
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:58:52 GMT

Jeff Lloyd writes:

> I'm look for the latest specifications for the following standard.
> 
>               Standard Musical Description Language
>                           X3V1.8M/SD-7
> 
> The latest version if have is "Jun 16 1988". Does anyone know where I
> could obtain the latest version? If fact is anyone using this standard?
> 
> I am currently developing software and I would like to check this to see
> if it is of any use.
> 
> So, if you know how/where to obtain this, or, are using it, or know anything
> about it's development since June 1988 please let me know.
> 
> All information greatfully accepted.

Further work on the SMDL standard was deferred until the standard that
it gave birth to, HyTime, was finally stabilized, adopted, and
published.  All that has now happened, except publication, which should
take place immediately (the ISO Central Secretariat has the HyTime
standard and should be publishing it forthwith).  Soon, therefore, work
on SMDL can recommence.  Current thinking is that the SMDL should be
re-drafted in compliance with the final, adopted version of HyTime, and
the new draft should then be considered at a meeting of the appropriate
ANSI and/or ISO working group.  Folks who are interested in doing this work
should contact me to be put on the mailing list, against the day when
things get reorganized. 

Steven R. Newcomb, Chairman, SGML SIGhyper (International SGML Users'
  Group Special Interest Group on Hypertext and Multimedia)
c/o TechnoTeacher, Inc.                      Voice: +1 904 422 3574
1810 High Road                               Fax:   +1 904 386 2562
Tallahassee, FL 32303-4408 USA               Internet: srn@techno.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: <TAG> Abstracts, October, 1992
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.

The October, 1992 issue of <TAG>, The SGML Newsletter, is in 
the mail. As a service to the readers of comp.text.sgml, the 
table of contents, along with a brief description of each 
article, is listed below.

<TAG>, published monthly, is the only regular source of 
information  for the SGML industry: articles, reviews, product 
news, tutorials, standards updates, user group information, case 
studies, and useful technical tips and information. <TAG> is 
designed to be an objective voice of the SGML community. We 
accept no advertising and encourage frank and open debate on the 
issues faced by the information publisher.

For more information about <TAG>, contact the Graphic 
Communications Association at +1 703-519-8157, or by Fax: +1 
703-548-2867.

-----------------------------------------------------------
                      <TAG> October 1992
-----------------------------------------------------------
Space and Time in HyTime
    by Michel Biezunski, consultant for Electronic Documentation 
    at Moderato in Paris, France
    
    Mr. Biezunski provides an introduction to HyTime. He  
    discusses the space and time models in HyTime by comparing it 
    to Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.
    
SGML Hot at Seybold '92
    By Dale Waldt, Publisher of <TAG>
    
    Report from the Seybold conference on electronic publishing 
    in San Francisco. There was much talk about SGML at the 
    conference, including some heated debates with the desktop 
    publishing crowd.
    
The DTD May Not Be Enough: SGML Declarations
    By Wayne Wohler, Advisory Engineer with Publishing Solutions, 
    IBM Corporation in Boulder
    
    This is the first part of a three-part tutorial series 
    covering the mysterious SGML Declaration. Part 1 discusses 
    document character sets as defined by the SGML declaration.

Timely News, Calendar, and Users' Group information completes the 
issue.

Submitted by
Brian E. Travis                                 brian@sgmlinc.com
Managing Editor,                            Tele: +1 303 680-0875
<TAG> The SGML Newsletter                    Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: <TAG> Abstracts: September, 1992
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:56:20 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


Is <TAG> distributed in other countries by local SGML Users' Groups,
or does one have to get it flown in from the USA?
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: jjc@jclark.com (James Clark)
Subject: sgmls 1.0 available
Organization: None, London, England
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:04:11 GMT

Sgmls version 1.0 is now available for anonymous ftp from

 ftp.uu.net:/pub/text-processing/sgml/sgmls-1.0.tar.Z
 sgml1.ex.ac.uk:/sgmls/sgmls-1.0.tar.Z

The size of the distribution is about 350k.  Remember to use binary
mode when getting the file.

An MS-DOS executable with formatted documentation is available from

  ftp.uu.net:/pub/text-processing/sgml/sgmls1_0.zip

The size of this is approximately 80k.  I make no guarantee that this
will work on any system at all, nor that it will not completely
destroy your system.  It was prepared on a Toshiba 286 portable
running MS-DOS 4.01.

If you run an archive, you can get new releases of sgmls automatically
by mirroring the directory ftp.jclark.com:/pub/sgmls.

Version 1.0 is primarily a bug-fix release.  The only new feature is
to allow 8-bit characters to be used in names (with an appropriate
NAMING rules parameter in the SGML declaration).

Sgmls is an SGML parser derived from the ARCSGML parser materials
which were written by Charles Goldfarb.  It works on Unix, MS-DOS and
VAX/VMS.  It should be straightforward to port to most systems that
provide ANSI C and use an ASCII-based character set.  It outputs a
simple, easily parsed, line oriented, ASCII representation of an SGML
document's Element Structure Information Set (see pp 588-593 of ``The
SGML Handbook'').  It is intended to be used as the front end for
structure-controlled SGML applications.  For compatibility with the
Amsterdam SGML Parser (ASP), there is also a filter that translates
the output of sgmls using an ASP replacement file.

I am happy to receive bug reports and suggestions for improvements (by
email, please: I don't usually read this group).  Thanks to all those
who reported bugs in previous releases; particular thanks to Denis
Excoffier for numerous bug reports.

James Clark
jjc@jclark.com
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: How to get started
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:51:26 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <23367C@erik.naggum.no> Erik Naggum <SGML@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>|   Practical SGML ($45)
>
>Recommended.  This book has a slight bias towards problems with SGML in
>practice, but is also well suited for people with some programming
>background.  The two-dimensional explanations of the syntax is valuable
>and is consistently used throughout the book.  I wouldn't recommend it
>for complete beginners, though.  SGML is a fairly advanced language, and
>you have to have some idea of what syntax and computer languages are
>about before you get the most out of this book.
>
>|   SGML author's guide (or similar, white) $33
>
>Not recommended.  It confuses several issues, and is very far from "an
>author's guide".

Strange. I read "Practical SGML" after "an author's guide" and kept
thinking "Is he going to mention LINKs, SGML declaration, data tags etc."
(answer usually "no") and "this is explained rather confusingly". It did
offer some perspectives on CALS & EDI etc., and listed a few products
(probably out of date by now) but it is rather sketchy. It is unfair, but
having once had to deal with large amounts of Eric's Rexx code, I was
perhaps overly conscious of a lack of rigour in his book. I certainly
wouldn't recommend it as a first book, and it's probably unnecessary
altogether if one has read lots of <TAG>s (which I _still_ haven't got
hold of...)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: smithh@bcsaic.boeing.com (Lonnie Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: MSDOS-based SGML viewer sought
Keywords: SGML DOS
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:59:58 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

My work group is seeking a MSDOS-based SGML text viewer.  That is, a viewer
which does not require Windows 3.x or some other OS layer on top of DOS.

Information on ANY candidate software would be appreciated.  A company name,
product name and a phone number should be sufficient.

Thanks very much.


H. Lonnie Smith ( smithh@boeing.com )

Research & Technology
Boeing Computer Services
Bellevue, WA, U.S.A.

(206)865-3338
From: boag@world.std.com (Scott A Boag)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: How to get started
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:57:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvKo00.G9s
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Personally I would recommend the "Practical SGML" book for a start.  I am 
in the middle of it and it has very readable.  It goes without saying that 
you'll need to get Goldfarb's book if you want to get serious, especially 
since it contains the standard in it.  I found both an FAQ and a 
bibliography at slembe.ifi.uio.no.

-sb

-- 
**********************************************************
*  Scott Boag
*  
**********************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: zstewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart)
Subject: How to get started
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 22:42:04 GMT

Please excuse me if this is too common a question; I did not find any FAQ
for this group (is there one?).  How would a low budget novice best learn
more about SGML?  What books or cheap/free software would you reccommend?
(PC based or portable).

In a local technical bookstore there are 3 books (from memory, imperfect):
SGML Handbook/Goldfarb $95!! looks good
Practical SGML ($45)
SGML author's guide (or similar, white) $33

Any reviews or pointers would be appreciated.  FTP documents or software
would also be great.  Thanks!

(Um, all I know is from an article in Byte this year, plus browsing in the
bookstore; sounds interesting given my interest in structured text.)

zhahai

Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: ucc02aa@sun3.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Pilch)
Subject: SGML for EastAsian languages at ftp.lrz-muenchen.de
Keywords: ftp East Asia Japan CHina
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: comp.text.sgml
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:22:09 GMT

Though a SGML novice, I am attempting to support SGML in
the framework of my East-Asia-catalog /pub/ostasien at
the ftp-server ftp.lrz-muenchen.de.
 
I am closely following this forum and will provide any documents
that are of help for learners at the named server, which also
supports TeX and Emacs for Chinese and Japanese.
 
Hartmut Pilch
Muenchen/Munich
1992.10.4
 

Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: Acronym/term lists.
Keywords: Terminology, definitions
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:03:30 GMT

TEI has a project to develop a DTD for a terminological record. I don't
have an e-mail address for the project leader, but you might contact 

Dr. Richard A. Strehlow
Termco, Inc.
P.O. Box 52327
Knoxville, TN 37950-2327 U.S.A.
+1 615 690 36 24 (voice/FAX switched)

Jim Mason
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
masonjd@ornl.gov
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: <TAG> Abstracts: September, 1992
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:43:43 GMT
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com


In article <1992Sep28.125620.3545@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk writes:
 > Is <TAG> distributed in other countries by local SGML Users' Groups,
 > or does one have to get it flown in from the USA?

<TAG> is published in the U.S. It is sent by first class mail all 
over the world. <TAG> does have a new bulk rate policy, designed 
for groups or organizations purchasing 50 copies or more sent to 
the same address. If members of a Users' Group would like to pool 
their resources, the savings are substantial. Contact me for 
details.

I would like to form some kind of alliance with the International 
SGML Users' Group to include the ISUG newsletters into <TAG> and 
have them distribute this publication to members. However, we 
have not yet come to an agreement. If anyone has ideas about how 
they would like to see such an alliance set-up, please contact me 
or Pam Gennusa, the president of ISUG, at plg@dpsl.uucp

--
Brian E. Travis                                           brian@sgmlinc.com
SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: <TAG> Abstracts: September, 1992
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:54:49 GMT
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.

(sorry for the late post...my news poster is suffering from 
new-version trauma. The October issue is about to be mailed. Look 
for the Abstracts in a few days.)

The September, 1992 issue of <TAG>, The SGML Newsletter, is in 
the mail. As a service to the readers of comp.text.sgml, the 
table of contents, along with a brief description of each 
article, is listed below.

For more information about <TAG>, contact the Graphic 
Communications Association at +1 703-519-8157, or by Fax: +1 
703-548-2867.

-----------------------------------------------------------
                      <TAG> September 1992
-----------------------------------------------------------
TechDoc '92: SGML is Alive and Growing
    by Sharon Adler of Electronic Book Technologies
    
    Report from the annual SGML user meeting held in San 
    Francisco. Mentions that a shift has been made from "should 
    we use SGML or not" to  "how do we implement and use SGML".

Audio-Video Interactive Scriptware: In search of an 
    Intermediate-form language
    by Brian Markey
    
    This personal contribution to SC29/WG12 and SC18/WG8 proposes 
    the use of the Architecture Neutral Distribution Format 
    (ANDF) as an intermediate-form language for data interchange 
    of multi-media documents.

How To Participate in the Davenport Group 

    A description of the new categories of the Davenport group, 
    and how to get involved in their three main discussion 
    groups.

Timely News, Calendar, and Users' Group information completes the 
issue.


submitted by
Brian E. Travis                                  brian@sgmlinc.com
Managing Editor,                             Tele: +1 303 680-0875
<TAG> The SGML Newsletter                     Fax: +1 303 680-4906
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: SGML query program
Keywords: Database query
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:14:44 GMT

There are two query languages form SGML documents being developed in
ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8, HyQ, as part of HyTime, ISO 10744, and an unnamed
language as part of DSSSL, ISO/DIS 10179. We are developing tow
languages because these two standards, while they both manipulate SGML
documents, are partially complementary in scope and functionality. DSSSL
deals with pure SGML files. Although HyTime requires the "hub document"
to be in SGML, subsidiary documents may be in any format, including
binary digitized audio or graphics. DSSSL and HyQ both operate on
property sets defined in SGML. DSSSL's location model is entirely in
terms of SGML structures (where an element is in the tree, its
relstionships to its siblings, . . . ). HyTime also needs to deal with
finite coordinate spaces (this happens three seconds after that). As of
the September meeting of WG8, we feel that in the areas of simultaneous
interest, there should be simple mappings between the languages.

Note that these SGML-based query languages are something different from
FSQL.

HyTime will be published shortly by ISO in Geneva. Copies will be
available from national standards bodies like ANSI and BSI; there will
probably be a few authorized redistributors like GCA and TechnoTeacher.

DSSSL is expected to go out for final ballot early in 1993.

James David Mason
Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8	
MASONJD@ORNL.GOV
From: jsuttor@netcom.com (Jeff Suttor)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: IBM SGML Translator Release 3
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:57:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Sep30.205704.9565
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


                                                                        
Could some kind person with IBMLINK access please post Programming      
Announcement 292-508, IBM SGML Translator Release 3, to comp.text.sgml? 
                                                                        
Thanks,                                                                 
                                                                        
Jeff Suttor                    Pgmr/Analyst  Library Information Systems
University Research Library    (310)825-1206 FAX:(310)206-4109          
405 Hilgard Avenue             ECL4JMS@UCLAMVS                          
Los Angeles, CA  90024-1575    ECL4JMS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU