HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:13:45 CST
From: gopher@boombox.micro.umn.edu ("The Gopher Team" )
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
Subject: Fonts fonts everyone wants fonts
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Distribution: comp

Okay... everyone wants the ability to change fonts in TurboGopher.
So now you can.

Sigh.  Fetch it from the usual places (U of M Gopher server or by
anonymous ftp from boombox.micro.umn.edu)

 - The Gopher Team


Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Re: xgopher requires a lot of resources?
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:25:20 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <1992Nov11.153937.22719@ncsu.edu> arnold@stat.ncsu.edu (Tim Arnold) writes:

|"Why does xgopher take up so much resources?  Can I fix it somewhere
|"in the build?  I'd really like to be able to do remote Xgopher.

Xgopher tries to create a pixmap/window with a size of SERVER_MAX_WINDOW_WIDTH
times SERVER_MAX_WINDOW_HEIGHT; this is far too much for most x-servers.

You have two options:

* change the definitions in the conf.h file to something more sensible,
  like 16383 for each (or even less)

* apply the following patch after which xgopher will work on all servers,
  provided they don't run a virtual window manager (it will work, but the 
  busy wait cursor might not show up when xgopher's window is very large.)

- 8< cut here 8< -

diff -c xgopher.1.1/conf.h xgopher.hp.1.1/conf.hxgopher.1.1/panel.c xgopher.hp.1.1/panel.c
*** xgopher.1.1/panel.c	Mon Apr 27 17:05:18 1992
--- xgopher.hp.1.1/panel.c	Mon Aug 24 10:04:48 1992
***************
*** 368,375 ****
  		waitWindow = 
  			XCreateWindow(dpy, XtWindow(topLevel),
  				0, 0,
! 				(unsigned int) SERVER_MAX_WINDOW_WIDTH,
! 				(unsigned int) SERVER_MAX_WINDOW_HEIGHT,
  				(unsigned int) 0,
  				CopyFromParent, InputOnly, CopyFromParent,
  				valuemask, &attributes);
--- 368,375 ----
  		waitWindow = 
  			XCreateWindow(dpy, XtWindow(topLevel),
  				0, 0,
! 				(unsigned int) WidthOfScreen(XtScreen(topLevel)),
! 				(unsigned int) HeightOfScreen(XtScreen(topLevel)),
  				(unsigned int) 0,
  				CopyFromParent, InputOnly, CopyFromParent,
  				valuemask, &attributes);

- 8< cut here 8< -
-- 
+--- Ronald van Loon ---+ Dave Barry on Japan: Japan is an extremely foreign 
|  (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl)   | country, where you can never be sure whether the sign
|  3DCV Group, Utrecht  | on the door you're about to open says: RESTAURANT
+--- The Netherlands ---+ or: ENTER HERE FOR EXPRESS VASECTOMY SERVICE
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:18:25 GMT

rhughes@ucsd.edu (Richard J. Hughes) writes:

>In article <BxMJLI.n0B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:

>>Subject: More people would use gopher if ...

>>	... IT DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A STUPID NAME!!!

>You're the idiot.  Gopher is a cute and clever name.

Just as the animal that peruses our gardens looking for succulent tidbits,
the Internet gopher travels the myriad passages of the Internet looking
for succulent tidbits.  One searches for food, the other for knowledge,
and both get their appetites satisfied.
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: secure/closed gopher system
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.214025.9786@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>,
hofer@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Hofer) writes:

>i want to install a 'closed' gopher system. That means, that only
>special users and hosts are allowed to connect to the gopher server.
>Has someone already installed such a system or must i patch the gopher
>for my own ?

The Gopher server for MVS has an access feature.  Every file that is
referenced by a path must appear in the access list, which may
specify a list of hostnames for clients that can connect to it.

Unfortunately, due to limitations of the socket-based model, it is
impossible to authenticate an individual user of the service.  The
best you can do is assume that a given client host can be accessed
only by certain users.


--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
From: kaufman@macc.wisc.edu (Peter Kaufman)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Gopher server 1.03 & NeXTStep 3.0
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:53:58 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center - Univ. WI
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b1

Fellow Gophers,

Hardware:	NextCube
Software:	NeXTStep 3.0
Gopher:	1.03

I have recently upgraded to the new NeXT operating system, 
and have found a few problems in running the gopher server 
with indexing. "ixBuild" (now "ixbuild") and ixsearch look 
for a file called ".index.store" versus "index.ixif". There 
have been some changes in operation as well from what I've 
read on the man pages for these utilities. The ixbuild does 
not work appropriately with hidden directories as well.

At this time I need to decide among the following (in order 
of likelyhood):

1) Drop back to NeXTStep 2.x and proceed with installing 1.03
2) Stay at NeXTStep 3.0 and figure out how to get the WAIS 
search engine going
3) Stay at NeXTStep 3.0 and figure out how gopherd is calling 
the 2.x search libraries in order to hack a fix for the new 
version.

I would really love to hear if the developers in Minnesota 
have any interim solutions to the new NeXT operating system, 
and if so, how close are they (days, weeks, ??). If they have 
any beta versions of 1.03 server out that work on 3.0 with 
indexing, please let me know. I hate to drop back to 2.x 
(simplest), and it would be terribly ironic to resort to the 
WAIS indexer on a NeXT!

Thanks in advance!!  Also, a big thanks to the guys at Gopher 
International (MN)... they have really come out with a great 
program.  Kudos, Kudos, Kudos!

Peter
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Re: MS Windows gopher (again)
From: Michel.Davidoff@sonoma.edu (Michel Davidoff)
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:53:24 PST
Organization: Sonoma state university
Keywords: gopher, MS Windows
Summary: Is there one, and where can it be obtained

In article <1992Nov12.063153.6491@u.washington.edu> strom@stein.u.washington.edu (Mark Strom) writes:
>Subject: MS Windows gopher (again)
>From: strom@stein.u.washington.edu (Mark Strom)
>Date: 12 Nov 92 06:31:53 GMT
>Keywords: gopher, MS Windows
>Summary: Is there one, and where can it be obtained
>There have been a few messages recently alluding to a gopher for MS
>Windows, but I've seen no postings as to where it can be obtained.  So, is
>there one, and if so, can it be obtained by ftp?  Is it compatible with NCSA
>TCP/IP?  I've tried searching for it with gopher and archie with no
>luck.  Thanks for any help on this.
>
>
>-- 
>Mark S. Strom, Ph.D.                       phone: (206)543-4318
>Department of Microbiology SC-42           fax:   (206)543-8297
>University of Washington                   email: strom@u.washington.edu
>Seattle, WA 98195
I've located a Alfa version and you can find it at
the FTP site of mvax.sonoma.edu
under the /pub/local/pc sub directory

Good Luck
Thank You
Michel Davidoff
E-Mail Michel.Davidoff@Sonoma.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:25:55 CST
From: carlton@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu ("Carlton Hogan")
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
Subject: Slightly irate question
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Distribution: comp


How come the majority of mail I get in this group is subscription and
termination requests from other net-consumers? I know there is a request
address, and this doesn't happen with any of the other groups, so is this
a referee problem or what?
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: johnson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Chris Johnson)
Subject: building gopher wais search server
Summary: build gopherd with wais search, problem
Keywords: build gopherd wais index search
Organization: Northeastern University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:40:36 GMT

     Hi,

     I'm trying to build gopherd 1.03 with wais index search capability
using wais-8-b4 I retrieved from Think.com.  I made a soft link from the
gopher directory to the ir subdirectory in wais so gopherd's make file
would see it.  It see's it right enough.  However in the middle of
getting objects from thw wais/ir directory I get an error which follows.
The Makefile can't find lock.o.  In fact there isn't one.  

     Question; which version of wais should I be using?

     Any other suggestions?

     Thanks.

Chris Johnson
Northeastern University.
==================================cut hereabout's=============================
Making server
Making server with WAIS searching
cc -L../object -o gopherd error.o globals.o gopherd.o daemon.o special.o
dedot.
o openers.o index.o Waisindex.o serverutil.o ftp.o  waisgopher.o
../ir/cutil.o .
./ir/futil.o ../ir/ircfiles.o ../ir/irfileio.o  ../ir/irfiles.o
../ir/panic.o ..
/ir/sockets.o ../ir/transprt.o  ../ir/ustubs.o  ../ir/wmessage.o
../ir/wprot.o .
./ir/wutil.o  ../ir/zprot.o ../ir/zutil.o ../ir/ztype1.o ../ir/docid.o
../ir/li
st.o ../ir/ir.o ../ir/irretrvl.o ../ir/stoplist.o ../ir/irsearch.o
../ir/irtfil
es.o ../ir/trie.o ../ir/ui.o ../ir/sersrch.o ../ir/irhash.o ../ir/hash.o
../ir/i
rinv.o  ../ir/lock.o ../ui/source.o  -lm -lgopher
ld:
Can't open: ../ir/lock.o (No such file or directory)
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:14:43 +0200
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
From: MTan@uci.edu
Subject: University of California - Irvine gopher server
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Distribution: comp


  This is to announce the experimental gopher server at the University of
California, Irvine.

Name=University of California - Irvine
Type=1
Path=
Port=70
Host=gopher-server.cwis.uci.edu

  Please add this to the North American gopher servers list too.  Thank
you.



  Mary Tan
  Office of Academic Computing
  Network and Telecommunications Services
From: Andrew Gilmartin <Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Gopher Gateways Survey
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:49:21 GMT
Organization: Computing & Information Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx14.cis.brown.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7284B0B6E03B064@cis_staff-kntx14.cis.brown.edu>
X-XXDate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:55:23 GMT

The number of Gopher gateways seems to be growing daily. I have lost
track and now find myself reinventing the wheel. To avoid doing this
again, is there a comprehensive list of Gopher gateways? I suspect not,
so would like to survey what is out there.

If you have written a gateway would you please fill in the following
survey and return to me. I will summarize for the group. Thanks.

-- Andrew

----------------------------------------------------------
GOPHER GATEWAY

Name:
Version:
Description:
Implementation:
Author:
Institution:
EMail:
Site:
File:
Test link:
	Name=
	Type=
	Path=
	Host=
	Port=
Notes:
----------------------------------------------------------

Examples,

----------------------------------------------------------
Name: phq
Version: 1.9
Description: Fixed and variable searches to CSO name server.
Implementation: C
Author: Andrew Gilmartin
Institution: Brown University
EMail: Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu
Site: ftp.brown.edu
File: /pub/gopher/phq1.9.tar.Z
Test link:
	Name=CIS Staff
	Type=1
	Path=1department="Computing & Information Services"
	Host=gopher.brown.edu
	Port=1070
----------------------------------------------------------
Name: gnntp
Version: 1.6
Description: Gateway to news servers via the NNTP protocol
Implementation: C
Author: Andrew Gilmartin
Institution: Brown University
EMail: Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu
Site: ftp.brown.edu
File: /pub/gopher/gnntp1.6.tar.Z
Test link:
	Name=Today's Gopher conference postings
	Type=1
	Path=1:news.brown.edu:119:comp.infosystems.gopher:today:
	Host=gopher.brown.edu
	Port=2070
----------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Andrew Gilmartin                        
Computing & Information Services
Brown University

Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu
(401) 863-7305
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: dan@engr.latech.edu (Daniel Len Schales)
Subject: Re: gnntp--a simple Gopher NNTP gateway
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:31:27 GMT

William Sadler (will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu) wrote:
: Will any of these gateways run on DOS platforms? 
: 
: We are just starting to use Gopher and I want to find
: a good news reader too.  The campus has a license for Trumpet
: and it is so good I just have to install it.  NOT.
: 
: If Gopher/PC could include a news reader you might find a
: really large constituency out there who would use it.
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: Will

You don't need the gateway on the DOS machine (unless you have the
DOS server).  If you are just running the DOS gopher clients, you
can access a gopher server which is running a gateway and read news.

However it is read-only (no posting), and not really a substitute
for a real newsreader. The original reason I wrote mine was simply
to reflect a local newgroup with announcements in it, to gopher.

Keep in mind also that anyone running a NNTP gateway that is
publically available, is "stealing" resources from their local
users, so try to minimize accessing it during normal business
hours, although I must admit, I have only had one occasion when
I had any kind of performance hit (and that was when an early version
went bonkers). I have been logging the gateway since Nov 1 and have
received over 30,000 requests, so I know it is busy....

Danny

Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: TurboGopher losing newlines problem 
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:36:22 GMT

Kirk> == Kirk  <kirk@cc.uow.edu.au> 

 Kirk> I have heard that the problem with viewing text returned from a
 Kirk> WAIS query where TurboGopher seems to lose the linefeeds or
 Kirk> carraige returns is a known bug. Is there a patched version on
 Kirk> TurboGopher available yet???

The bug is in the server, not TurboGopher.  It's supposedly fixed in
1.1beta, though I haven't had time to compile/install/test yet (we've
had air conditioning problems, power problems...all sorts of problems).
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Windows Gopher Client
Organization: Center for Innovative Computer Applications, Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:08:30 GMT


Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but is there a Windows 3.1 Gopher client
yet?

Thanks,

Will Sadler

--
***************************************************************************
*   _______________\|/_      Will Sadler     will@cica.indiana.edu        * 
*   Laser 44888    /|\                       sadler@iubacs.bitnet         *     
***************************************************************************
From: Andrew Gilmartin <Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Re: gnntp--a simple Gopher NNTP gateway
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:24:49 GMT
Organization: Computing & Information Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx14.cis.brown.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXDate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:30:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.225655.10241@engr.latech.edu> Daniel Len Schales,
dan@engr.latech.edu writes:

>And to quote MSU's About file "Gopher is a real[l]y lousy way to read
news."
>It seems to me it is a very popular way to read news (go figure). I

I wrote gnntp not as a general news reader, but as a simple way to get at
our ClariNet feeds. I must admit, when I began I only knew about gnews;
had I know about the other gateways I might not have written my own.

-- Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
From: lindner@danzig.micro.umn.edu (Paul Lindner)
Subject: Unix 1.1 beta 1 is available...
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:32:13 GMT

In a futile attempt to filter out most of the bugs, and let people
experiment with some of the new code, I've put out a beta release of
gopher 1.1

It's available via anonymous ftp from boombox.micro.umn.edu as:

  /pub/gopher/Unix/beta/gopher1.1b1.tar.Z

Enjoy.

Bugs to lindner@boombox.micro.umn.edu.

I'd appreciate it if people would try it on their platforms and notify
me what changes were necessary.  

*warning*  I still don't have pure sysv support yet....  Patience...

--
 | Paul Lindner | lindner@boombox.micro.umn.edu   | Slipping into madness
 |              | Computer & Information Services | is good for the sake
 | Gophermaster | University of Minnesota         | of comparision.
///// / / /    /////// / / / /  /  /  /   /      //// / / / /  /  /  /   /
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:07:32 EST
From: Narendra Gangadhar <NG7165A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems
Subject: I.S. Career.

This is my first semester in the M.S. in I.S. My background is accounting, and
I have very little experience with computers. In my undergrad, I worked with Lo
tus and a couple toher accounting packages. I feel that I am not as computer li
terate as I should be. I would like to know if computer literacy, to the extent
of programming, is necessary, or would a knowledge of systems design and
related concepts be sufficient to enable me to be a competent systems analyst.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:08:20 EST
From: Hussain M. Kanaan <HK3599A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems
Subject:    AN INFORMATION SYSTEMS CAREER

HI, I AM A GRATUATE STUDENT AT AU. I AM MAJORING IN INFORMATION SYSTEMS. THIS
IS MY FIRST SEMESTER IN THIS FIELD OF STUDY. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE YOUR EXPERI-
ENCE BY ASKING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION.
1- DOES SYSTEMS ANALYSTS WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO
   SUPPORT INFORMATION SYSTEMS?
2-DO I NEED THE AKNOWLEDGE OF COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY TO BECOME AN EFFECTIVE SYSTEM
  ANALYSTS?.
3- DO INFORMATION SYSTEMS REALLY HANDLE INFORMATION?.

                                  ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.....
                                       THANK YOU
                                       KANAAN
From: M.T.Hamilton@lut.ac.uk (Martin Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems
Subject: Re: Info for information (text) retrieval software with thesaurus.
Keywords: Thesaurus, Information (text) retrieval system
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:25:59 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Studies, Loughborough University, UK

In article <aprins.721059885@athena.research.ptt.nl>, 
   aprins@athena.research.ptt.nl (Prins A.) writes:

/ I'm constructing an (information) (text)-retrieval system at the Free 
/ University in Amsterdam the Netherlands (for my PhD). In my preliminary 
/ investigation I have to use a (prototype) text-retrieval system with a 
/ thesaurus.  Does anyone know (or has experience with) a (prototype) 
/ text-retrieval system that uses a thesaurus (in Public domain or as 
/ commercial software).

I'm looking at using such a system as a turbo booster for existing 
information services - there is a short discussion document which
is available by gopher at the following address:

   Name=CFD-5
   Type=0
   Port=5000
   Path=0/number/CFD-5
   Host=hill.lut.ac.uk

Abstract: 
 "Most on-line information systems today offer some searching capabil-
 ity, but this tends to be very primitive - for example, the leading-edge
 Wide Area Information Server (WAIS) system developed by Thinking
 Machines [Kah91] is based on a simple keyword search.
 
 This paper introduces some methods which may be used in providing
 a more powerful search technique based on the automatic identification
 of concepts equivalent to those requested by the user. One method which
 may be of particular interest allows conceptual searches to be carried out
 using almost any existing information system as a back-end."


You might also be interested in the GENIE project, which aims to provide
a support service for research into environmental change in a distributed
systems environment - see

   Name=Genie_Documentation
   Type=1
   Port=70
   Path=1/Projects/Genie_Documentation
   Host=hill.lut.ac.uk

 "Global Environmental Change is one of the major issues facing the future
 of humanity.  We know that the climate is changing and that the
 atmosphere is becoming more polluted, we know that forests are being
 destroyed and that soils are deteriorating while the need for food
 increases as populations continue to grow.  We suspect that most of this
 change is being caused by human activity, though some may be due to long
 term processes over which we have little control.  The key issue is to
 find out how human activity is causing environmental change and the
 impact of that environmental change on peoples and societies."


I would be very interested in getting feedback on the ideas described in
my paper - please e-mail any comments to:  M.T.Hamilton@lut.ac.uk.


Martin

--
"And so castles made of sand, melt into the sea, eventually..."
Xref: sparky comp.infosystems:566 comp.databases:7700 comp.edu:1881 comp.misc:4261
From: bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems,comp.databases,comp.edu,comp.misc
Subject: Re: looking for helpdesk management software
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:16:59 GMT
Reply-To: bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP )
Followup-To: comp.infosystems
Organization: CCS Enterprises, Inc. - Easton, MD

In article <1d97prINN894@crcnis1.unl.edu> mcdowell@hoss.unl.edu (Scott McDowell) writes:
>I'm am looking for software to run on a PC or a Novell network that could
>be used at a computer helpdesk to log incoming calls.  I'm aware of the
>following:  Heat, Support Magic and Top of Mind.  Does anyone have 
>experience with the above or know of any other programs.  Any information
>you can give me will be appricated.

We have had trouble finding information on these types of products 
also.  The only portion we are really interested in is to build
an information database and allow for text inquiry.
For Instance:   Error 2 OSAS, and come up with problems matching
this scenario.

The incoming call portion we can handle internally already with
our Call Tracker product.

-- 
>.. Bob Willey, CDP          ..  |  ..  uunet!consult!bob  bob@ccs.com   ..<
>.. CCS Enterprises, Inc.    ..  |  ..   Office: (410) 820-4670          ..<
>.. P.O. Drawer 1690         ..  |  ..      FAX: (410) 476-5261          ..<
>.. Easton, Maryland 21601 ......|......... BBS: (410) 476-5098 ...........<
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: internships
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:09:08 GMT

AM/FM International supports an annual competition for summer intern
appointments in the area of geographic information systems. They provide
$2,500 for relocation expenses and contacts with their industrial members
(who include IBM and others in the GIS industry).

Details are usually available early in the year. I will post to this group
when I get the mailing.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213