HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)
Subject: Re: Back with a vengeance (and stories, of course)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:39:38 GMT

In article <PRAUDA.92Aug24191308@dol-guldur.hut.fi> prauda@dol-guldur.hut.fi (Kristiina Prauda) writes:

**bunch deleted**

>Wow, thanks, rip... that really made my day!! (And a dark and stormy
>day it has been, too... summer's definitely over here in Western
>Siberia... :-( )
>
>(To the geologically challenged, that one is a joke. :-))

Har har, hardy har har, har har har... it *is* to laugh!

>>I was just thinking to myself the other day... 'Self', I said to me,
>>'I wonder what Kristiina is up too....' :-)
>
>Well, why didn't you mail me and find out? I mean, mail *does* come
>here, even if it's only a little faster than Siberia proper...

Hmmmm..... [Rip hangs his head is shame... then slowly raises his
head]  Well,  ummmmm.... you could have mailed me too...! :-P
Or do you just not care about me... *sniff*  (there, the old
switcharoo!!)

>Or could it be that the infamous rip is indeed <gasp> *SHY*?! :-)

HAAAAA!! HAAAAA! HA!  Now *that* is funny!!  One thing I have
*never* been accused of is being shy! *chortle*

>>Can't wait to read all those stories locked up inside your head, I
>>have the beginnings of one going right now, well actually I have the
>>first line written down...
>
>Hey, that would be great! Yours were definitely ones to look forward
>to, too!

Why thank you, I will try to keep up to my usual standards...

>First line... I know the feeling... Just go at it, rip! Each and every
>line doesn't *have* to be absolutely perfect... (I'm still desperately
>trying to learn that... I've been known to agonize over one sentence
>or one word for *months*, and in the end it hasn't made such a huge
>difference, after all, that one word... )

Well, the right word *is* important.  The words are the only thing we
have to express the proper emotion we want to convey...  So, you just
keep right on agonizing, and if anyone gives you any grief, you just
send them to me!

>>>Nice to have our dancer back.  *HUG*
>
>Oh yeah, talking about that, you never said whether you wanted to
>see that seven veils dance... :-)

Would that be a *private* showing perhaps...? ;-)

>(My former theory gets more proof... can you believe it, ARCers, there
>is something that rip can't handle... :-))

The only thing around here I can't handle is.... well, I better not
say, this *is* a family net after all....................


ripomaniac
From: feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: SEXploitation (Was Re: Love is EVERYTHING!!!)
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:33:54 GMT

In article <Btn7t9.M9q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (John W. Fippen - Invoice) writes:
>
> Men generally exploit women . . .

In article <3465@ra.nrl.navy.mil> feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:
>
> I'm tired of paying for slaves I've never owned and mistresses I've never had.
> That statement is insulting.  SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.

In article <1992Aug28.233347.20759@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac) writes:
> 
> I think he meant in general, and I know he meant not to insult anyone,
> specifically or generally.
> 
> btb (call me cipher)

As a man, I am personally aware of how a man may feel disappointed, hurt,
and yes, exploited by women.  Likewise, I expect that women may feel
disappointed, hurt, and also exploited by men in ways that are so far
removed from my personal experiences, that I am cannot even claim to
understand.  I see a certain symmetry to the situation.

As an example, there was an interesting post a few weeks ago called,
"Females more likely to receive kindness from strangers."  It's not fair,
but I really sence it's true.  I also think that there's a corrolary, which
is that "Females are more likely to be victimized by strangers."  So while
I'll probably gave to wait a lot longer for someone to stop after my car
has broken down, I'm less likely to be victimized by whomever does finally
stop.

The main reason I flew of the handle with respect to John Fippen's post was
that he was being negatively sexist regarging his own sex.  While I would
not agree with such a feminist sexist statement made by a woman, I would
feel compelled to substantially blunt my response, knowing that I had not
lived the life of a woman and therefore feel less qualified to judge.

So, btb (I don't know if you are a boy or a girl) but you said "in general,"
so let's clearly ask the question, "Do men generally exploit women more than
women generally exploit men?"  I think that there are some differences in
the ways men and women exploit each other, but I am not prepared to say that
one sex has it over the other.  I'm thinking of late baby boom heterosexual
American men, such as myself.  I'm not thinking of other groups, but from
what I know of older men and foreign countries, there might be some
difference.  How about the men who are reading and writing to this new
group?  Do you all feel like you're the exploiters of whom John writes?


                            Fred

PS  I'm going out of town, so anyone with interesting followups, please
    mail me coppies.  Thanks, all you exploiters :-)

-- 

Fred Feirtag                  | "The plan is:
Naval Research Lab, Code 5120 |  Kill the brain, and you kill the ghoul.
Washington, DC  20375         |  Beat 'em or burn 'em--they go up pretty easy."
feirtag@wave.nrl.navy.mil     |
(202) 404 - 8502              |            (Night of the Living Dead)
From: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: SEXploitation (Was Re: Love is EVERYTHING!!!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:
>In article <Btn7t9.M9q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (John W. Fippen - Invoice) writes:

[Deleted so much irrelevant stuff that the delete key is glowing]
>
>So, btb (I don't know if you are a boy or a girl) but you said "in general,"
>so let's clearly ask the question, "Do men generally exploit women more than
>women generally exploit men?"  I think that there are some differences in
>the ways men and women exploit each other, but I am not prepared to say that
>one sex has it over the other.  I'm thinking of late baby boom heterosexual
>American men, such as myself.  I'm not thinking of other groups, but from
>what I know of older men and foreign countries, there might be some
>difference.  How about the men who are reading and writing to this new
>group?  Do you all feel like you're the exploiters of whom John writes?
>
>                            Fred

Nope. Contrary to a reputation for mysogyny I might have built up over the
years in this group, I *actually* think it's 50-50. Both sexes exploit each
other equally frequently, equally nastily/nicely.

What narks me is the lack of recognition that it is as balanced as this!

BTW, this is a late baby boom heterosexual British man speaking.

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From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Gordon Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Love
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:28:11 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <annie.02qw@canetoad.UUCP> annie@canetoad.UUCP (Annie) writes:
>A figment of your imagination. A pigment of your infatuation.

Keep talking like that and we'll have to ban you from alt.romance ;-).

One thing I am sure about love is that it exists. As they say,
reality is what doesn't go away when we want it to. Many times I
have wished I could simply stop loving someone because
they did return the favor, and that certainly did not work for me.
Now, whether romance exists outside our fantasies, that is another
question.

Michael.
From: asjrn@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: ******in alaska*******
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:47:19 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

a day with love is a day with a freind
would you "your female , enjoy the outdoors , would dare to 
share your personal feelings" with a guy in alaska
                     jack in alaska
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: LDR blues....
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:05:10 GMT


Time to brainstorm, please...

Things with my British RP have been going swimmingly..
except that with the stress of school and work and money and
family and us being apart (and etc and etc..enter violins...)  he has been feeling a bit down.

We have chatted for hours on the comps and the telephone
(I loved the call but dread the bill!)...and what he
needs is a great big hug...but unfortunately at 5500 miles
away that's the one thing i can't do =(

so romantics of the net...what CAN i do to cheer him up?
Money isn't really an issue (though i can't afford anything as
extravagant as flying over...)...
and i am on very friendly terms with his mum...so it's possible
i could get here in on it...
Right now he is at university taking exams..but will back
at home in a little over a week..

I know there are tons of LDRers out there...and even more
simply creative minds......

Cheers,

Dawn
EEK!  no editor and the MOST IMPORTANT LINE IS OFF THE PAGE!


**embarrassment**


well....i am sure you figured out that what i said was:
"he has been feeling down"

=)
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is blue, And I have nothing else to do, I sometimes wonder if
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From: jmwise@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ms. Johanna Wise)
Subject: Re: Love at first sight?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:04:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.112433.9105@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.194248.12119@cs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>>	Our love (me and April) started at zero sight, when we started to have
>>	an email conversation and then continued by telephone and letters. Now 
>>	we're happily engaged and we haven't ever met. 
>
>Isn't this going a rather too far?  Can you really make that sort of
>commitment via electrons?

No way. I dont think so.
The exact sme thing has happened to me, and I am spending 3 weeks over
christmas with his family.

I dont call that love at first sight anyway, i call  it Love at First Byte :-)

>(Or perhaps engagement is not much of a commitment any more?)
>
dead wrong. engagement is a bigger commitnment than marriage IMHO. Its
a decision to get married, and the marriage is just a ceremony.
>
>-- 
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-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: coates@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Tony Coates)
Subject: Re: Part Two of "Dryads' Dailiness"
Keywords: Nymphette, Nympho
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.002635.11945@pony.Ingres.COM>, jlane@Ingres.COM (Judi Lane) writes:
|> 	Thanks, Paul! *alittlehug'cuzI'mstillalittleshyforbein'new* 8^)
|> 	I'm glad to see that not every guy here on ARC has his brain
|> 	wasting away in the dank recesses of cerebral gutters!!  (Read
|> 	into this what will, o guilty parties... we all know what those
|> 	plain brown paper packages on _your_ doorsteps are... and they
|> 	ain't from Avon!!)
|> 
|> 	Oh, yeah... the above-mentioned lashing of the guilty does NOT
|> 	include you, my sweet TiggerVictor.  *hug hug* 8^)
|> 
|> 
|> 	Judi
|> 	The Official Dryad of the RFA
|> 	(justwhenIfinishmy.sigIprobablywon'twantitanymorenuts)

Judi, Judi, Judi!  Am I to be accused of possessing dank recesses?  Gee,
how was I to know forsee that 'Nymph' would turn into 'Nympho', in the
hands of other (not mentioning any names ...).  As for brown paper
packages, I think that *such* magazines are offensive to women, at least
the ones that I think you were referring to!

	What can I do to extricate myself?  Urk!  Looks bad from here. 
Hey, I know what, I've been struggling to think up an RFA title for
myself.  I'll let you suggest one, in return for my having done so.

	But, then, maybe that's a silly idea.  Who knows?  It's your
choice.
				Yup, yup, yup,
							Tony.
[Official ??? to the RFA]
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: mcarey@eng.auburn.edu (Martin T Carey)
Subject: Re:Favorite Fantasy
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:15:11 GMT

Hello, it's just me the Shadow...... I am unlurking to give more details on my
fantasy as requested.

     When I was growing up, I lived in a house set on a small hill and behind
the house there were some woods.  I spent many hours playing in these woods
and following the stream that ran through these woods to see where it came from
and where it went.  One day as I wandered down one of the branches of the
stream trying to find the source of the water, I happened upon a place where
there was a small waterfall.  Now, don't get me wrong, when I say small I mean
small.  The water rushes down over several very large flat smooth rocks and
then falls down into a wading pool of water.  One of my favorite memories 
about this pool of water is that a couple of times when the weather got very
cold I would hike through the woods to this place.  One of the most beautiful
moments, I think, was when the water had frozen and the waterfall was nothing
but icicles. (but I digress...) 
     Anyway, I always had a fantasy about being there at this waterfall with 
someone special and us lying there maybe in our bathing suits getting some sun.
She of course would be lying on her stomach with her top undone so as not to
get a tan line.  I would reach over and gently touch her back.  Then since
she didn't object (funny how in the fantasy, she never objects) I would
massage her back.  After a while, she would turn over and we would make love.

Whewww! I think I'll go take a cold shower now.......

                                 ...........The Shadow...........
(The sounds of a shower in the background and the scream of that first shock of
 cold water...*YIPES*.....)

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: carl@sscl.uwo.ca (Carl Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Looking for help
Organization: Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab., U.West.Ont.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:27:26 GMT

In article <rfxycf+@rpi.edu>, petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.185843.23578@bnr.co.uk>, dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley) writes:
> 
> |> However, what it seems to mean to me these days is a *contentment with 
> |> yourself without the feeling of need for another*.
> 
>    But, isn't that blatantly saying "I don't need anyone else."  And that is
> quite wrong.  People are social creatures (or is that wrong?), and DO need
> other people to be happy.  Now, what I'm saying is that we need attention +
> affection from people, but we don't need romantic attention to be happy.
> Is that what you mean?  

I know from personal experience that I do not *need* anyone else, and
for a long time didn't even want anyone else, but there is a difference.

Currently, I still do not need anyone else, but I do want someone.

CatGuy
*****************************************************************************
* See how the heart reaches *  Carl Kaufmann   * No one has to do anything, *
* out instinctively, for no * Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab * except bear consequences.  *
* reason but to touch.      *    U.West.Ont    *                            *
*       -Kate Bush          * carl@sscl.uwo.ca *       -Me                  *
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: Re: Woman dating separated man -- advice desired
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:16:46 GMT


To agree with Marcia on never knowing when the time is right:

SALLY:  Look, there is no point in my going out with
        someone I might really like if I met him at
        the right time but who right now has no
        chance of being anything to me but a transitional man.

MARIE:  Okay. But don't wait to long.  Remember what happened
        to David Warsaw?  His wife left him, and everyone
        said, give him some time, don't move in too fast.
        Six months later he was dead.

SALLY:  So what are you saying? I should get married to 
        someone right away in case he's about to die?

ALICE:  At least you can say you were married.

MARIE:  I'm saying that the right man for you might be out
        there right now and if you don't grab him, someone
        else will, and you'll have to spend the rest of
        your life knowing that someone else is married to
        your husband.



........When Harry Met Sally.................................
-- 
Irony is hygiene of the mind      --Elizabeth Bibesco
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: It hurts like hell
Reply-To: jota@mujave.UUCP (Joao Pedro Martins)
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA, PORTUGAL.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:47:07 GMT

In article <Bu24HB.I7K@cs.psu.edu> so@cobol.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) writes:
>It hurts like hell!
>
>For the last couple of days I've not been able to do any useful working,
>all because of a relationship which has been over for some time.  I talked
>and talked with friends trying to relieve the pain that's hurting me deep
>inside my heart.  My friends keep telling me that it's over, and I should
>just move forward.  "Yes, I know," I said, "but the pain is very real."
>
>Years back, when I read about Maslow's pyramid of human needs, I thought
>"Lucky that although human beings have needs, there are something that could
>satisfy them.  How terrible it would be if a man can crave for something
>that doesn't even exist!"  I stopped thinking about it, because the mere
>possibility of the situation terrifies me.
>
>Now I know that it is not just a possibility, it actually occurs.  When
>a relationship is broken, people have changed, you know a dream has vanished
>and the good old days are gone.  But when every little thing in life
>reminds you of a past that cease to exist, and when you keep hoping for
>the impossible, life is just plain miserable.
>
>God, if you are listening out there, will you deliever me from this desperate
>situation, will you?

	Felt exacly the same, some weeks ago, and my semester marks felt that too,
	And altough I already have another SO, I still miss her sometimes.
	But life goes on, and only time will cure the pain. Meanwhile, do as your
	friends said, "just move forward".

----
 joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal - jota@tutor.UUCP
 
 "Carpe Diem, she muttered... we seize the day.	
  Well, sometimes, the day seizes back !" (Psychodrome) 
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: roth@sitter.ips.id.ethz.ch (Martin Roth)
Subject: Re: re:The Shadow
Organization: ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:52:23 GMT

mcarey@eng.auburn.edu (Martin T Carey) feels lost:
>Thanks *HUGS* back. Yes I'm sort of new.

Just feel like at home here. 

mcarey@eng.auburn.edu (Martin T Carey) food fights already upon arival:
>Whyyyyy yooooooouu dirrrttyy rattttt!!!!! Just for that...(The Shadow reaches
>beneath his black cloak and pulls out a SuperColossalX2000 sized Turtle Cheese-
>cake and heaves it into the air as if mimicking an olympic shotputter *grunt*)
>(The X2000 cheesecake flies through the air in a huge arc (ARC?) and lands with
>a SSSSPPPPPPLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT..:^)

Mhmmmmm, tastes not bad. But I prefer chocolate, ice cream and the like.

What size is an X2000? About like a K2000? 76 keys long... ?

>>> Sketchy Fantasy story by the Shadow...........
>>Hot *fan, fan*, tell more about it... 8^)
>>Just add a fire, and, whoops, there's your RFA app!
>>(besides, what does RP stand for?)

Sorry I insist, I allways have troubles with these english abbrev.s. "RP"
means? Besides, "SO" is another one I could not figure... If it would get
confiscated by the FamilyNetPolice, send it by mail.

>Well, watch for more details coming up soon... I'm working on the details. 

We're waiting for it. 
(do not put too many details, we all have a lively imagination!)

>                        "I fling therefore I am..."  .......The Shadow......
(fling - sounds funny. Have to look that one up at home)

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email: roth@ips.id.ethz.ch   | my lilies."  "Yes", I said, "yes. They are
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: dcormell@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: re: looking for help (LOVE)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:30:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.040207.4411@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.164153.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> dcormell@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>>I looked and looked for someone to love me {just as I am w/o changing},
>>and much to my surprise, when I just gave up looking and got involved
>>in MY life, (:) bowling Wednesay nights I enjoyed, Church Sunday Mornings,
>>and a happy hour once a month with friends from work.....(drum roll plez)
>>I found the most wonderful man in the world, and now we've been married for
>>3 (yes THREE) years.  Don't look, do things you like and they will find YOU!
>>
>>hugs to all in alt.romance
>>debbie
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> What she doesn't mention is how long we will have to wait once we
> stop "over-looking" or "trying-too-hard" or however it is phrazed.
> I say, if you just give up and accept your lot you will suffer much
> less agony.  Oh you may not get as much joy as others, but who is
> to say you would have found someone anyway?
> 
> btb (call me cipher)

Yeah, ok so I waited three years after deciding to get on with my life...
and YEAH it was worth waiting 10 years for since it WAS SO WORTH WAITING...
*Much in Love, and PROUD of it*
debbie

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