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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:05:00 EST
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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>From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
>
>Well, as one who eats under stress and strain, I can imagine that the
>stresses of the campaign would encourage eating....and since most of us
>have "comfort foods" that tend to be high in calories, sugar, fats, etc...
>and since presumably candidates, like presidents can order whatever they
>damn well feel like to eat....coolidge doesn't surprise me at all....or
                               ________
>taft.....
>
Um, just one thing, Dan.  Coolidge was quite thin.  In fact, he was
the one Alice Roosevelt said looked as though he had been "weaned on
a pickle."  Taft was quite obese, probably the heaviest man ever to
occupy the Oval Office.  Perhaps you mean Harding, who died of a
heart attack in office in, I believe, 1923.  He may not have been
all that fat, but he had a terrible diet (so they say), and his
administration was shaken by numerous scandals that can not have
helped his health. I believe it was he who said, "My enemies I
can deal with.  It's my friends, my g*d damned friends who are
killing me."

Frank
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:41:30 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      My Sunday Prayer
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Dear God, give me a kill file that works on listserv so I can block this
religious tirade!

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:58:17 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Travelogues
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I've started putting all the list travelogues in ftp space.  I mean the
ones that are detailed postings with their main purpose being to share
travel adventures with us, not postings with casual reference to travel
slipped into other discussion.

Because I haven't been doing this very long (Giggles in Cancun was the first
and was sort of a special case -- I didn't realize then that travelogues
were going to become a list feature -- but I'm glad they have), the collection
is far from complete.  If any of you who have posted travelogues earlier
still have copies and would like to add them to the collection, please send
them to me.  And if any of you write travelogue postings that you don't
want included, let me know that.

At the moment the travelogues are in docs/words-l/Misc with linked files
in docs/words-l/Writing.  Maybe I should start a separate directory of
docs/words-l/Travel.  Here's the list of travelogues that exist as of now:

23089      abh.in.nyc                Anne goes to New York
35525      adventures.of.giggles     Giggles goes to Quintana Roo
28524      giggles.visits.grandbaby  Giggles goes to New Jersey
8778       neal.goes.east            Neal crosses Pennsylvania
5048       rita.in.nyc               Rita meets abh in New York
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:15:50 GMT


Graham--Paglia is quite entertaining to watch--fascinating at times--and
Sexual Persona, although tedious and overwritten, is well-worth reading.
There is an on-going "discussion" of her on The Well that was quite
heated for awhile. The bulk of the criticism is directed at her op-ed
pieces in SAAC (sex, art, & american culture). You might enjoy The Well....


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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:46:28 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: religious flames (was: amendment 2
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              8 Nov 1992 10:56:21 GMT from <bsinger@ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU>

On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:56:21 GMT Bayla Singer said:
>As you all know, I too hold some deep-seated beliefs.  Do I think Ruth's a
>sinner?  Sure.  Graham? yup.  Me? You betcha.  Do remember, please, that

   |But not ME!   8-)    Right!   NOT!

>there seems to be room enough in God's love for all us sinners.  Re-read

   Amen, sister, Amen!

>the matter, there weren't enough graves in Egypt, you had to bring us out
>-here- to die?  Fortunately, God turns out to be just as stubborn as anyone

   Love it.   Gotta remember it!

>Okay, if you still want to <vomit> all over each otheer, go right ahead.
>Just don't think you're <being logical> or <responding to what's been
>-posted->.  You're all <reading between the lines>.

   I'm not disgusted.  Just glad that I've been hundreds behind....and
will still be when Monday comes.   But all these 100 line posts about all
this religious shit....have surely given me lots to quickly delete, most
with only the most cursory skimming.

   And, yeah, I still love both Ruth and Graham.....despite their vomiting
on one another.....but will continue to stay out of it, and NOT just for
lack of time....

dan, the non-closet Ecopalian    (part of punch line of only
          Episcopalian joke I know)
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Paglia
Originator: rita@eff.org
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:11:53 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92110619410726@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "(Alec D. Plotkin)" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU> writes:

>
>I enjoyed the 60 Mins. thing on her. I was curious if any folks had
>any info about her, such as where she works and other stuff like that.

	She is a professor at the Humanities University of Arts (??
sounds weird, but that's the address) in Philadelphia.  The largely
vacuous issue on the future TIME put out about a month ago had a quote
from her saying that "Feminism must move back towards men."  This is
fairly typical of her viewpoint.  What amused me, is that they
juxtaposed her comment with that of Gabriel Garcia-Marquez saying that
women have to take over in order to save the world.  I get the
impression from reading Garcia's work, that he views women as a
somewhat mystical, magical creature.  Two pretty polar views.
Garcia's idea is the more attractive to me, of course, but is probably no
closer to the truth than Paglia's.





-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | And he spun himself right down 
155 Second Street                | into the ground. Now wasn't that 
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | lucky?  --Deadsy 
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:58:38 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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I agree with Karen.  I sat on my fingers when I saw Agnes' post and didn't
say that it sounded like typical PC do-goodery.  But to be quite honest,
it is.  The cost of shipping one of those old useless clunkers would be
more than buying a new micro locally.  It's terribly condescending to
think that third world countries would be grateful for our useless
hand-me-downs.

G
(Eat up your greens son, there's thoosands o' starvin' weans in Africa
waud be gled o' that!  - my Granny)
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:51:11 EST
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      16 Tons
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Last night I tuned in WSM loud and clear. That's right,
50,000 watts, Nashville to Boston. (One of the many reasons
I love winter is that with improved radio reception I can
listen to the Opry.) Anyhow, they played _16 Tons_ by
Tennesee Ernie Ford, a song about a hard-working but poor
coal miner. I first heard this record in the '50s - my parents
owned a copy - but I have always been puzzled by
the following verse:

   I was born one mornin' in the drizzlin' rain;
   Fightin' and trouble are my middle name.
   I was raised in the [cane break] by an old [mama ?ine]
   'Twas a high-toned woman made me walk the line.

Is cane break (if those are correct words) what's left after
cutting sugar cane? If so, this would imply that the miner was
originally from a place where sugar is grown (Fla., La.?)
and not Kentucky or W. Virginia. Again, was the high-toned woman
the cause of his leaving home? When he "walked the line," does
that mean he "walked up (or down) the railroad tracks?"

One last question concerns the lines

   Sixteen tons of number nine coal
   And the [stawk] boss said, "Well bless my soul!"

I doubt that this man is the miner's supervisor, or that he
is responsible for stocks/storks; he more likely has something
to do with weighing the coal and crediting the miner for his
output. I am probably way off on all this.
Bill "St. Peter don't ya call me 'cause I can't go,
      I owe my soul to the company sto'."
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:07:00 EST
From:         "(Alec D. Plotkin)" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: the truth about judith (try no. 2)
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>Sigh. All right, all right, I'll tell the truth.
Good, I like the truth.

>blomberg cepeda         [THE ABOVE IS A JOKE]

I was scared for a minute. I thought this might be joke , but
you never know.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:25:47 -0500
From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HELLO!

Prince James is just fine. Prince Jim is better.
Where do I stand on Toad the Wet Sprocket? His left foot.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:40:55 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: amendment 2
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:What a maroon.<sigh>  Just look at all the lovely buzz-words.  All the
:liberal left jargon.  Can't you think of a few new things to say for
:yourself?  Can't you reason on your own?  Sauce for the goose, dearie.

New things?  Personally I'd settle for 20-yr old morality rather than
2000-yr old morality.  Don't point out the mote in my eye when there's
a beam in yours.

:Lose the jargon, and the bias against people who actually believe in something
:higher than themselves, and we'll talk.  In the meanwhile - scat.  I have
:better things to do with my time than argue with a closed mind.

May I quote?

RH> "You'll never convince me I'm wrong"

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

G
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:25:05 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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:>I just discovered that "animus" can mean "animosity."  So forget what I
:>said earlier about malapropisms.  I've never heard "animus" used that way.

:I have heard "animus" used only as animosity. I guess the other meaning
:is more neutral, something like just a tendency or spirit. But whatever
:experience I have, I will consider that meaning more pretentious.

:tushar

Actually, I only knew of the Jungian meaning, but after checking the
dictionary, I still say animus was inappropriate where animosity was
clearly indicated.
G
From: TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 02:20:54 GMT
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>        I like this one.  Do you think they know it's really 'ducats'?
>
      Not sure, my perceptions were that a lot of these words are
  taken from previous generations, either parents or older friends.
  As for 5-O, cable reruns so many of the 60s and 70s shows around
  here.  Many words seem to be just abbreviations, <lazy> way of
  speaking, know lots of people who use them (30+ age group).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>neal    traven@pittvms                  Bitnet          412-624-0097 (office)

Theresa
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:54:13 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: I Missed the Fun!
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              10, 92 4:35 am

[del]> :
> : So they are hardly "WORHTLESS"! With a little ingenuity, these parts
> : can go a long way in places where none are available..
>
> It would be a lot more worthwhile to melt the thing down for scrap metal
> and send the proceeds off in the form of a check.  And you can still do
> that AFTER you whack it with a sledge for grins...just save all of the
> bits that you knock off.
>
> They'd get more use from that.
>
> Agnes, I don't think that you understand the cost issues involved.  If
> we shipped our old system to a third world country that couldn't afford
> a computer THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO TURN IT ON!  Literally.  We spent
> about $100,000 in site preparation and staff training when we got the
> thing.  I don't even want to think of the power bill for running the
> beast.
> --
> Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
> Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
>
Maybe you  have had large-scale experience...mine is a little more
limited. For example, some old-ish computers that were giving me trouble were
shipped off by their rightful owners to Eastern Europe and I don't know
how, but last I heard they were still doing good (and heavy) service in
Eastern Europe...of course Africa is not Eastern Europe, but then
again, these things have to be properly targeted. The other experience
relates to books and such:  a journal of African studies where I
worked last year was deluged with pleas for our old back issues - and
for the used books that it had been donated by some scholars. We had a
small grant to cover the shipping costs and these books apparently were the
only acquisitions some of the recipient universities would have that
year...pretty pathetic. I had wished we could do better, but was glad
we could do even as much. I hardly think this kind of activity
undermines the economy of these countries (in many cases practically
non-existent...).
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:59:00 U
From:         Anne <harwell@SMTPGATE.TECHRSCS.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Question 2
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I've always had the little problem of swapping the words "wedding" and
"funeral." Now, once when I made the mistake of referring to some old guy's
funeral as his wedding, it caused his widow to get all dewey-eyed and
sentimental on me. But when I accidentally referred to my sister's wedding as
her funeral, she got all upset, claiming that I was making fun of her. But it's
not on purpose, honest. I try real hard to think about what I say before it
comes out my mouth because I know I have this propensity. But it still happens
every time. My question is: Think it means anything?

-abh
Oh, yeah, and I'm back, now that things are a little quieter.
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 05:04:58 GMT
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>
> It is possible to cast a straight-party vote in Illinois.  You don't
> pull a lever, you punch the hole for the straight-party option.
>
You can do that in Texas, too...it's the first thing offered on the ballot.
ndh
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:23:48 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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              Nov 10, 92 2:10 am

>
> Posted Agnes Kruchio
> >
> >Oh,  sigh..A whole day of going through old mail, now this...
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> This is indeed good Hungarian (if that isn't an oxymoron).
> >> >                                                ^^^^^^^^^
> >> >                                          [a.k.]
> >> >      [b.c.]                                    Ah..._excuse_ me?
> >> >                                                Do you really
> >> >     I know how to  pronounce Hungarian         expect to get laughs
> >> >      and you call me IGNORANT?                 from this rather
> >> >                                                cheap and ignorant
> >> >     Sheesh, don't they teach irony in          throwaway remark?
> >> >     the schools anymore? My undergraduate      Shame on you.
> >>       advisor, an very ccourtly Hungarian
> >>       himself, had no illusions about the Hungarian language, discouraged
> >>       from learning it even those whom he would gladly impale on Russian.
> >>       My dear Agnes, I come to suspect that you are not so much pragmatic
> >>       as an unbearably humorless prig  8-/
>
> >Sorry, Blomberg, it won't wash. See how you would react if you substituted
> >anything else for "Hungarian" - say "American" or Yankee. It's a wanton
> >comment, completely unwarranted. And your subsequent tone, "my dear
> >Blomberg",  is equally patronizing. I could go further, but it would
> >go below the belt, where, unlike you, I would rather not sink.
>
> OK, you prig Agnes, in English we have an indefinite article. The fact that
	   			 ^^^^^^^^
				     ????

Are you for REALLY for real?
It is obvious that you have practiced mugging and heavy handed
thuggery on some other lists, but the flames on this list have
require at least *some* element of finesse. The thickness
of your synapses just will not do. Do go away and come back when you
have grown up some. Take several lifetimes, if you need to, do.
A
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:37:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Words-L Weekly Digest

Why blomberg?

Maybe Daddy Cepeda was a railfan?  Factory standard for the
General Motors line of Diesel-electric locomotives is the
Blomberg design truck, currently cast by the LFM Corporation.

Steve Karlson
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Clinton's "Mandate" 
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:23:58 GMT

jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas) writes:
> The special interest groups that Bush accused Clinton of pandering to
> were merely the vast majority of people who feel dildoed by the repubs. 
                                                   ^^^^^^^

So the general populace doesn't recognize a good time when it feels one?

--karsten

(was it lavender?)
From: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Date: 7 Nov 92 02:32:11 GMT
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>What the hell does "paleologic and neologic" mean?  I can't find it in
>the two dictionaries that I have access to.  Context is:
>
>Vision and high fantasy are not lower but higher modes of reasoning,
>involving a magical synergy that goes beyond paleologic _and_ neologic.

Actually I don't know what the hell the whole sentence means. Paleo and
neo are highfaluting prefixes meaning old and new, that much seems clear.
Looking at "modes of reasoning" above, the attractive notion that paleo-
logic means "old logic" suggests itself. If it's true I will laugh till
comatose.

If not, then the whole sentence is pretty vague. Paleologic what? Neologic
what? Above all, synergy of what?

All in all a sentence which requires higher modes of reasoning. Where did
it come from?

tushar
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Word query: liminality
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Post by Editor Kessler

>I'm editing an article about the Ga people in Ghana and their
>harvest festival, Homowo. I

The Ga and Homowo? This has to be a joke. Either that or a Douglas Adams
story. Or a moment from a Douglas Adams story. Personally, I think we all are
just part of a Douglas Adams story, biding our time with strange coincidences
and bad cosmic wordplay till the g.d. Vogons finally show up to put through the
bypass (they are really late in this parallel universe, anyways).

But really, the Ga and Homowo? Where did you come up with this, happy hour
at Buddy's? Or the Harvard Club? Has to be one of the two.

b."for bemusedly curmodgeon-like"c.
From: crosen@andy.bgsu.edu (Marty Rosen)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 18:38:39 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

Greetings,

Had this been a real posting, I would have said something other than, "I'm
just seeing how the nn newsreader and the pico editor work together."

Your forbearance is much appreciated.  Besides, there's nothing you can do
about it except ostracize me!

Marty
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:22:45 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tushar on the Ga

>Greetings, Tushar,
>
>And hats off to you for thumbing your nose at the face of adversity.
>
>Marty

Actually I stuck up my middle finger, but the thought was approximately
the same.

tushar
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: The Japanese Plutonium Ship
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Posted on 8 Nov 1992 at 11:03:15 by Graham Toal
>Rammed, i hope, by an escort ship and not the one with the plutonium.

Yes.  The thing that made me think it left more recently is that the
news report said "off the coast of France"--I should have thought it
would have been further away by now?

Karen
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Date: 11 Nov 92 17:48:44 GMT
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              11 Nov 1992 11:36:38 -0600 from <harwell@TENET.EDU>

>> >       A similar term I've heard wrt Catholics
>> >       is 'lapsed Catholic.'  Are there other denomination-specific terms?
>
>An Episcopalian who has not been to Eucharist three times in the past 12
>months is referred to as "unchurched." What happens to you then is the
>priest suddenly starts paying you lots of visits, and you lose your vote
>at the yearly parish meeting.

      The Baptist apothegm used to be (probably still is) "Once saved,
      always saved."  It is possible, however, to *backslide*.  I don't
      know all the doctrinal implications of this state....

      --brad
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