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From: bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pancho Villa
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:37:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

gonzalez@lonestar.utsa.edu (Martin M. Gonzalez) writes:
>where you read that Pershing got his ass kicked.  To the

And more importantly, what did the ass do? And was the
scoundrel responsible reported to the RSPCA?

>Wow!  and here all these years I thought that it was Villa that had
>not adjusted to hte machine gun and barbed wire (WWI fighting methods)

There is no truth whatever in the rumor about the barbed
wire and machine gun posts being used for crowd control at
'Villa. The fans are really quite well behaved these days.

>and that is why he got HIS ass kicked at the battle of Celaya. (April 1915)

More beating up of poor defenseless animals? What are things
coming to?
	Bob.
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From: gonzalez@lonestar.utsa.edu (Martin M. Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pancho Villa
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Apr3.085450.9874@newshub.sdsu.edu> vagus@saturn.sdsu.edu (Alexander Vagus) writes:

Stuff deleted
>
>My dear Francis, I think you should rely more on history books than
>some popular TV shows. However, both are equally distasteful.
>Although it is true that, USA send thousands of troops into Mexican
>territory to capture "Pancho Villa", yes that included what we later knew
>as the famous general George S. Patton. But, you should know that general
>Pershing got back to the USA empty handed. Actually, after *years* of chasing
>Pancho Villa, Pershing's troops were the ones who got their ass kicked.

Since you excoriate Francis for inacurracy, I think it only proper to ask
where you read that Pershing got his ass kicked.  To the
best of my knowledge he did do battle but with Venustiano Carranza's troops,
never actually meeting up with Pancho Villa and his troops.

>Whether you like it or not. You know, an army sometimes kick asses and sometimes
>they get their asses kicked as simple as that.

Sometimes
>
>It is really amazing to see that people actually rely on TV shows. Where true is
>the first thing to get twisted. No matter how Hollywood may portrait Pancho
>Villa, they  simply can't change the true. They can misslead people, of course.
>
>Now, a few more things about Pancho Villa, a guy who's methods of waging war
>were copied in world war I by European nations. A guy who didn't let the
>Germans to place military bases in Mexico.

Wow!  and here all these years I thought that it was Villa that had
not adjusted to hte machine gun and barbed wire (WWI fighting methods)
and that is why he got HIS ass kicked at the battle of Celaya. (April 1915)

I also had not understood that he had the power to deny the Germans
military bases in Mexico since he was never ever fully in
control of Mexico.

I have an old picture
>were Pancho Villa, Pershing, and Patton are together in the same picture.
>There are of course more things about him, but the most strinking one is

>he's head was

>to examine his brain. This of course is only a rumor, nobody knows for sure.
>Anyway, let him rest in peace.

Methinks you have failed to stand up to your own standards.

Martin Gonzalez
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Term limits
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:26:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.702717979
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>Well, when EVERYBODY is term-limited, and there's still all this power to
>be parcelled out, SOMEBODY has to get it.  It just doesn't go away.

Yes, but the junior congressmen spend less.  They don't have the huge
network of pork alliances and debts that the older ones do, and some
of them actually seem to want to reign in spending.  If they can get
the power it'll be better than the current bunch.  I just can't see
how any new congressman can cause the damage of one Robert Byrd.


>So now it'll take six years to grow a pork king instead of decades.

If they can do it.  And if they feel the need to bring in pork by the
dole when they know they're not going to get reelected anyhow.


>There are good arguments for term limitations, but keeping power away
>from congressmen isn't a viable one.

There are better ways to limit their power, but if they won't go along
with them (and it's unlikely), I'll take whatever means possible.

-- 
How can I tell you I love you when you're sitting on my face?
From: cl231519@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Men are not cost effective
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:21:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr7.142139.1
Organization: University of Louisville

Make men pay for the prisoners since most of them are male?

Ok, lets divide it by race, too.  Increase the tax on black males and lower it
on white females.  While we're at it, let's let all of the parents pay all of
the school tax.  Let's have women pay for all orphans.  And let the police and
fire departments just send a bill to people after they save them.

	"I'm sorry the raspist got away.  Here's our bill."
	"I'm sorry, but you let your prepaid fire protection 
	 run out last month - Let it burn boys! "

There all public goods.  Let the public pay for them.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:13:08 GMT

In article <kushi2INNb02@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr17.025019.4547@wam.umd.edu> 
|> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> + In article <kusaidINN9or@mizar.usc.edu> 
|> + adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> + >In article <1992Apr16.230202.23554@wam.umd.edu> 
|> + >aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> ...
|> + >> [...] I also said that because I believe that homosexual couples 
|> + >> follow the man-like and woman-like model that society sees as good  
|> + >> (One dominant and one dominated), the Complex might be well resolved  
|> + >> anyway. 
|> + >
|> ...
|> + >I'm astounded at this stupidity.
|> +
|> + Why do you think that this is stupid?
|> 
|> Why do I think it's stupid that someone imagines that in gay
|> relationships one partner inevitably plays the "man" and the 
|> other plays the "woman"?  Because it *is* stupid to believe that.
|> 

Even in het couples, to belive that one is always dominant and the 
other dominated is stupid, believe me.  It frequently doesn't work
that way.  (And I suppose he believes that it's the man who's dominant
and the woman who's dominated... even worse!)
-- 



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: LET'S GET GREEK (was Re: FAG, DYKE, AND QUEER ARE ALL IN MY DICTIONARY)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:07:26 GMT

In article <15APR199221312800@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.074618.16353@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes...
>> 
>>Homophobia is also the categorical hatred of homos, cutie.  Looks like
>>you've got that to spare.
>
>	Technically, the greek root "phobia" only suggests fear, not
>hatred.

Etymology isn't a really good way to trace the meaning of a word,
though.  Technically, "gay" means "happy."  It's a good rule of thumb,
but it is not the end-all and be-all of meaning.  However a word is
used, that is what it means.

>I propose that someone find the greek word for "hatred" and help
>coin a new word.  I don't know greek, so I can't.  If we wanted to mix
>greek and latin, ("homo" being greek also), then the word would be,
>
>	homo-odious

I like it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, there's homosexuality in all animals
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.172854.28745@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>  
jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester) writes:

> What I find most amusing was that he had the gall to compare himself
> to Galileo.

Do not be a pinhead. I did not compared myself to anyone. 
You people have no idea about anything, seems to be.
I just used Galileo to point out how the Great Logic of the Great minds of  
this newgroup work. I would never compare myself to someone inteligent.  
After all, Mr. Dyer has already pointed out how retarded is my culture.  
Not like his.

>  Of course, Galileo had much more than a scrap of paper to
> proove his theories.  The same CAN'T be said for Mr. Pinkas.  All he
> has is a bunch of pieces of paper and a warped sense of reality.  And
> rather than talking about some Oedipus complex, perhaps we should talk
> about Persecution complexes or deluded senses of grandeur?

Don't be stupid. You should better talk about illusion. I did not said at  
any point that I compared me with him. You see, that is the norm here, a  
bunch of homosexuals come and present their point as the truth, and then,  
they put words in other people mouths. And then, they ask the other for  
references, and then they give no reference at all about what they say.  
They are just right because they are Gays.
Go, and get an education.


> 
> Feh.
> 
> JOhn.
> -- 
> /-John A Kusters,  
jr.----------------------------------------------------______
> | jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com               
\    /
> Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!      
At this pace you will change nothing.


AAP 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:37:31 GMT

In article <kujp15INN55n@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.161018.7225@wam.umd.edu> 
> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
> ....
> > Stop it, or maybe next time you will try to say that homosexuality  
might
> > come from a psychological disorder!!!
> 
> I've resisted jumping in on this particularly stupid thread, but I
> really must.  
No, you do not really must.
And, if this was a stupid thread, you are really helping to make it more  
stupid!

> That someone was born and grew to manhood in the land
> of Peron need not necessarily be held against him.  

I do not understand what do you mean by this.
Do you have any problem with the land of Peron?
Do you have any problem with Peron?

> But that someone
> with a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism 

Now you are really wrong.
I cannot have a congenital affliction such as Argentinianism.

> should later 
> worship at the shrine of Freud, and not even Freud, really, but *French*
> Freud is too much.  Alberto -- please shut up.  Don't you realize that
> Freud and Lacan are taken seriously these days, when they're taken
> seriously, only by thrill-seeking literary theorists? 

At the light of the first part of your post, this is not more than logic:
Cannot be taken seriously.
> 
> Arne

AAP
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: yoo-hoo, punk...
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:50:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.jgeh780
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Gee, we tell Jack what his "handle" (snear quotes) means, and
suddenly he disappears.  Anyone want to lay odds on whether he
returns under a login that is not "punk"?




FWA
-Who was a real punk rocker, in more ways than one...
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:2381 alt.sex:15007
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au) (Stein 'The 24hr man')
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:44:02 GMT
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!

In article <1992Apr14.010314.7688@cs.uow.edu.au> The Jester wrote:

>amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes:
>
>
>>Please forward any responses you want to be SURE I see to me, as well as
>>posting them, since the Director of Computing Services is threatening to remove
>>the entire alt.* heirarchy.
>If you can suggest a news group not in the alt.* heirachy who will have us
>we can cross-post the "Human Sexuality" thread there.
>
>suggestions:
>   sci.psychology
>   soc.motts
>   no.test
>   aus.general
>   talk.bizarre
>
>OR
> we could create our own group. sexuality.human.pizza
>-- 
>\ /  /    / /  /\   | I trapped all alone in the gas station of love,
> \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
> / \/  /   \ \/ \   |  --"Weird Al" Yankovic.
>g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au

Yeah, Jester, i recon all us fine 'Human sexuality' people deserves our own group,
just like the soc.motss fellas (ment to include females (or does it by default?)).

RFC: soc.human.sexuality

Take care,

 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'The older I get, the better I used to be.' - Lykketrollet
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:20:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.063454.16696@cs.uow.edu.au> g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester) writes:

>I admit your
>explanation of Tim's comment never occurred to me. 

Incidentally, fellas, you were both wrong.  Elf: I do not find
heterosexual sex boring in and of itself; with the right person, I
find it rather exciting.  Jester: saying that I once was heterosexual
does not mean that I _chose_ to be homosexual.  One can make a
transition from one state of being to another without consciously
choosing to do so.

I tend to say that I was once heterosexual simply because I am not
certain that I have always been bisexual.  As a child, I had crushes
on girls at school almost perpetually.  Once, when I was seven, I had
a crush on Sean Cassidy.  Until pubescence, that was my sole
homosexual experience (save for a game of "doctor" at 9).  Based on
that evidence, it's not clear to me that my bisexuality was fixed
within me at birth and only announced itself when I was fifteen.  It
makes at least as much sense to me to say that I was heterosexual
before I was fifteen.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:39:26 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley) writes:


>Re: "Maybe we can find a compromise that
>will..."

>No compromises.  Ever.  Les/Bi/Gay
>rights and equality are far too im-
>protaint to be trivialized for the
>sake of compromise or politeness.
>We've been polite, compromising 
>homosexuals for far too long.
Ahh, here's the real issue. These are merely a subset of human rights I
would say :- regardless of race, religion, or creed. I say that perhaps
sexuality should be included in there too.

>$.02
+$.02

-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | Thank god for the fools, for without them none of
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | us could succeed.
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   |                  --I forgot who, I'll find it later.
g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Foard and FWA Rail Me About Posting As Ronnie Jr.
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:03:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr9.130346.10218
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <9204081503.AA03918@Compuserve.Com> 70750.2052@Compuserve.Com ("Ronnie Jr.") writes:

>Bisexuals do it with anything that moves.

Damn right, honey.

And YOU'RE next on the list.

You ready for us, Chris?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:09:08 GMT

In article <920410#119#094915:nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu> nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.022208.13917@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>
>>As I said before, I do not believe that all that has being said by Freud was
>>right. I believe that he used self-analysis, and that he did make a lot of
>>mistakes and left things incomplete. I just believe that what is called
>>"Freudian School", that incudes Lacan a lot more of people since then, has
>>a lot of valid results.
>>
>Er, Alberto, Lacan is literary theory, not psychology.  Ditto Foucault, who
>you mentioned earlier.  (And *bad* literary theory at that.)

Nop.
Lacan is psychoanalysis. He introduced new understandings about the use
of lenguage and literature. After all, psychoanalysis is based on a 
person "saying" something. 
About Foucault I said that he has an interesting book about the history of
sexuality. 

AAP

>
>**************************************************************************
>*    -Nathan J. Mehl-     * Destined to be the only queer Guns'n'Roses   *
>* nmehl@pennsas.upenn.edu * fan on the planet. And probably deserves it. *
>**************************************************************************


Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1943 alt.sex:13990
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:12:49 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <ku4lqqINNeg5@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>I really don't understand why everyone seems to find this so difficult.
>To prefer one thing to another implies that choice is involved, that
>tastes are involved.  A preference is not inborn.  It is learned.  I have
>*learned* to prefer spicy food to bland food.  I have educated my musical
>tastes to *choose* to listen to Billie Holiday rather than Madonna.
>My sexual preferences are, to a large extent, a matter of informed
>choice, educated taste.  My *orientation* is unchanged from childhood.
>I have never chosen to be attracted sexually to men.  I *have* developed
>specific prefences for the kind of men who turn me on, and for the
>activities I most enjoy, but the actual attraction is beyond my control.

You are trying (very hard) to be either dense or to recraft this into a
semantic argument.  Now, how does an "orientation" differ from a
"preference".  And furthermore, demonstrate that this "orientation" is
also not a matter of choice.

I've read numerous people on the net tales of their coming-out stories.  How
they realized that men turned them on more than women, etc.  But heterosexuals
have similiar stories - I started liking women with certain figures and don't
care for women that look like teenage boys anymore.  Would I have sex with a
woman that looks like a 13 year old boy?  Hell no - I've discovered a more
mature (and self-secure) variety of women - and they have much more appealing
shapes than the skinnier type.  Where is this "orientation" located?  How
can I change my "body type" "orientation" so easily?

There is very little that goes on in your head that isn't a matter of choice.
Sexual "preference" and "orientation" certainly are two of them.  At some
level you CHOSE to be gay, just like I chose to be a straight, conservative
minded liker of women with well-curved bodies.

And I'll repeat, there =are= organizations (and we have one here in Austin)
that are geared towards homosexuals that no longer choose to be gay.
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1751 alt.sex:13578
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:16:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr5.201831.10729@husc3.harvard.edu>
zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

>I recommend the biography of Oscar Wilde as evidence of such a change, and
>that of John Maynard Keynes as a case study of the opposite.

Crap. Robby Ross got Oscar in the sack, and it was goodbye women. A
clear case of a man discovering, or accepting, what he likes. As for
Keynes, I thought he was bisexual, but I have read no biographies. In
any case, you need to indicate where the choosing comes in. The
trouble with the theory that everyone is really bisexual is that while
it is certainly logically possible, it happens to be false. And I'm
speaking as one who actaully tried to do what you suggest is so easy.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality