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Date: 5 Sep 92 12:50:13 GMT
From: Toby Nixon <tnixon@hayes.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: V.25bis, or: Are CCITT and PTTs Totally Bonkers?
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 684, Message 2 of 11

In article <telecom12.680.5@eecs.nwu.edu>, mcb@presto.ig.com
(Michael C. Berch) writes: 

> OK, I can see that a PTT might want to have some reasonable
> regulations that restrict automatic redialing by modems and similar
> devices, to prevent older switch equipment from being overloaded.  But
>  ... a Forbidden Numbers list?  With numbers that stay on it FOREVER??
> Have these people totally taken leave of their senses?  If I dial up
> my local BBS in Zurich, and the system is down, and the modem doesn't
> answer four times, I am Forbidden from ever trying it again?

It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.  The "forbidden list"
is flushed by power-cycling the modem. The idea is to keep you from
getting some little old lady out of bed dozens of times because
somebody programmed the wrong number someplace (it doesn't really have
anything to do with switch loading).  They simply require some human
intervention, in hopes that the problem will be recognized and dealt
with. That said, however, I DO agree that it makes it nearly
impossible to get into busy BBS systems!

I should note that this idea of blacklisting numbers did not originate
in V.25bis, _and_ it is not restricted to V.25bis!  These are
regulations of the specific countries noted, not provisions of an
international standard; V.25bis is used in the USA, for example, but
with no blacklisting because the FCC doesn't require it.  AT command
set modems used in the European countries in question must also
enforce blacklisting, if the modems are going to be approved by the
telecom administration.

Of course, a lot of users get around this problem by purchasing US
modems, importing them themselves, and connecting them (in violation
of regulations).  Manufacturers don't encourage such actions, but we
know we can't prevent them, either.

I should note that automatic dialing equipment is about to be more
strictly regulated by the FCC as well, but there is a big loophole for
modems: equipment which is under "external computer control" is
exempted from the restrictions.


Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer      | Voice   +1-404-840-9200  Telex 401243420
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Atlanta, Georgia  30348             | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon  Fido   1:114/15
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:42:48 GMT
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: New Book: Federal Telecommunications Law
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 693, Message 8 of 9

sjl@glenbrook.com (Scott Loftesness) writes:

> I am pleased to recommend an excellent new book the subject of the US
> telecommunications law.  The book, titled "Federal Telecommunications
> Law" (ISBN 0-316-48676-0 published by Little, Brown & Company), was
> written by Michael K. Kellogg, John Thorne, and Peter W. Huber.

One minor detail is missing. What's it *cost*?


Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:24:47 GMT
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: MCI Telemarketing
Organization: Trivializers R Us
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 710, Message 2 of 11

In <telecom12.704.11@eecs.nwu.edu> dwn@dwn.ccd.bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
writes:

> I had two calls from MCI this morning and and the person on the other
> end wanted wanted me to switch to them via their Friends and Family
> plan.

> First of all, I hung up on the first person and then thinking about it
> contacted my Telco (NYTel) to put a lock on my numbers (2) due to
> fears about slamming.

> The second call came in and after a few questions, determined that the
> call was due to my number being on a list of numbers to call to get
> switching of LD carriers.

> It seems that MCI is no better than a telemarketer.

> [Moderator's Note; You *were* talking to a telemarketer for MCI, not
> the company itself.   PAT]

FWIW, I got a call from MCI last week and was favorably impressed by
the change in their telemarketing strategy. Last year this time one of
their slime called, identifying himself initially as being with the
local phone company and wanting to verify some information on my phone
bill; only after he started the pitch, and after sustained questioning
did he eventually identify himself as MCI. This time, just a short
intro, a pause to let me get a word in edgewise, and{ a polite hangup
after I said I wasn't interested.

Of course it's a sad day when you're thankful that people who invade
your house uninvited are at least polite about it.


paul
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:42:14 EDT
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Calling 911 From a Cellular Phone
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> I do not know whether all carriers allow 911 even from a phone marked
> as bad.  I would suspect so, because of liability issues, and it's not
> likely that someone calling 911 is trying to engage in phone fraud.

And the Moderator Notes:

> [Moderator's Note: I don't see how there could be any liability issues
> in a total denial of service to a delinquent or non-existent account.

There could be plenty of liability issues if a telco refused a 911 call
from a phone whose ESN was marked bad by mistake.  Given that we seem to
be moving toward a national ESN data base updated by all umpteen hundred
cellular carriers, it's almost certain that some of the data will be bad.


Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl


[Moderator's Note: If the ESN is marked bad by mistake, then a problem
might exist if a call to 911 were denied. If the ESN is correctly
marked, then no liability would exist.  The same situation could occur
with landline service. If a phone is turned off in error, there could
be a question of liability, but if the phone is denied service due to
a credit problem or some previous misuse or abuse of the network then
telco has no liability.   PAT]
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 11:59:03 GMT
From: vixen!jadams@uunet.UU.NET (26070-adams)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: First ESS Was in New Jersey (was Illinois Bell Now Allows)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 702, Message 3 of 9

In article <telecom12.696.10@eecs.nwu.edu>, deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(david.g.lewis) writes:

> In article <telecom12.685.9@eecs.nwu.edu> the TELECOM Moderator
> <telecom@eecs.nwu.edu> writes:

>> [Moderator's Note: IBT has always been considered a very progressive
>> and advanced company. After all, ESS started here, in Morris, IL back
>> in the 1960's ...

> Sorry, wrong answer ... "The first application of electronic local
> switching in the Bell System occurred in May 1965 with the cutover of
> the first 1ESS switch in Succasunna, New Jersey." [EOBS, P413]
> 

Well, to get nit picky, You are both correct!  The Morris switch that
Pat refers to was a "trial" application.  The Succasunna (Perhaps the
better known and later instance) switch was the first "commercial"
instance.


Jack (John) Adams		| Bellcore NVC 2Z-220
(908) 758-???? {No dial tone yet}| 
jadams@vixen.bellcore.com	| kahuna@attmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:04:20 GMT
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Real Legislation, or Hoaxes?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 696, Message 3 of 12

In article <telecom12.689.9@eecs.nwu.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Michael A. Covington) writes:

> I've been told that the following two pieces of legislation are before
> the Senate, but cannot identify them from Congressional Record and
> similar references.  Can anybody fill me in?

> (1) A ban on radio receivers that can tune cellular phone frequencies.
> (Listening is already illegal but the receivers themselves aren't.)
 
I've been told that this is part of the FY 92 funding for the FCC, but
have not yet confirmed it.

> (2) A ban on private consulting in electronics, "S. 1706," recently
> mentioned by a letter writer in Robert Pease's column in Electronic
> Design.  (There is a S. 1706, but it deals with import duties on
> certain industrial chemicals.)

> [Moderator's Note: What is this 'ban on private consulting in electronics'? 
> Please tell more. When does private become public or legal?   PAT]

I've been told that this has to do with amending section 1706 of the
Internal Revenue Code, and that a "ban on consulting" is not exactly
what's involved ... but have yet to confirm this or get the details.
At least now I have a scent to follow.


Michael Covington - Artificial Intelligence Programs - U of Georgia - USA 
Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:58:00 -0400
From: msb@sq.com (Mark Brader)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: 112 (was 911 Emergency Service Instead of 999)
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 713, Message 13 of 16

Laurence Chiu (lchiu@animal.gcs.co.NZ, emphasis added) writes:

> How can 112 be any easier to misdial than another number
> sequence like 445 or 779?

In New Zealand, it isn't.  In almost all of the rest of the world, 112
has only four dial-pulses, and could be generated accidentally by
interfering with the motion of a rotary dial, or merely by flashing
the hook.  In New Zealand, 998 would be a bad choice for the same
reason.


Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 10:48:10 EDT
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL.MIL>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: When Did France go to Eight Digit Numbers?
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 689, Message 16 of 19

There is a note in the archives about France going over to eight digit
telephone numbers.  Does someone have a date available for it?  The
archives only say "a few years ago", and the passage of time will make
this obscure.
From: ACPS7052@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: CCITT V.35 Interface
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:42:32 GMT
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 712, Message 12 of 14

I am looking for information regarding the recommended V.35 interface.
Especially information concerning the electrical characteristics of
the interface, for both the data and clock circuits as well as the
signalling circuits.  The CCITT V.35 interface and the 34 pin
Winchester connector as specified in ISO 2593 have become a standard
for modem interfacing with circuits operating at 48, 56, and 64kbs.

     Any information for regarding this interface would be greatly
appreciated.


York Lam    (acps7052@ryerson.ca)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:36:50 EDT
From: <Nigel.Allen@lambada.oit.unc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 911 For Everything (was 911 on Jerry Springer Show)
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 710, Message 5 of 11

In Toronto, 911 is only for emergencies. If you want a police car
dispatched for a non-emergency situation (for example, an automobile
accident in which nobody was injured), you are supposed to call the
Metro Toronto Police switchboard at 324-2222 and ask for "Police
Radio".
From: SOLOYOLLA@orion.cpqd.ansp.br
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Cordless Telephone Schematics Needed
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:34:00 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 689, Message 14 of 19

Hello!

Does anybody knows how can I get a schematic for cordless telephones
such as Broksonic, Cobra, Sony, etc? Thanks for helping me!
 
 
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:10:31 PDT
From: Ole J. Jacobsen <ole@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: INTEROP Volunteers Wanted 
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 704, Message 2 of 11
                        Call for Volunteers:

           The INTEROP Conference Assessment Team (CAT)

Interop Company is seeking student volunteers to serve as quality
control monitors for INTEROP 92 Fall, to be held in San Francisco,
California, October 28-30, 1992.  This is a unique opportunity for
students to attend the industry's premier networking conference and
tradeshow, while helping us improve the quality and consistency of the
conference.

As a CAT member you will receive:

* Complimentary conference registration for all three conference days;

* Complimentary conference notes (for your assigned conference, there
  are actually four conferences within a conference this year);

* Complimentary lunch all three days;

* Special INTEROP CAT T-shirts;

As a CAT member you will be asked to:

* Monitor preassigned conference sessions on one of the three
  conference days, by submitting written reports and acting as the "eyes
  and ears" of the conference organizers. We will provide you with a
  basic evaluation form to aid the preparation of the reports.

(You will be free to attend any conference session and the INTEROP
exhibition on your "days off.")

* Provide an accurate count of the number of people attending the
  sessions you are assigned to. ("Clickers" will be provided!)

Successful CAT candidates will be students currently enrolled in a
computer science or electrical engineering course at graduate or
post-graduate level. Applicants should have some understanding of (and
interest in) computer networking issues. All applications must be
received by October 1, 1992.

To apply, send e-mail to: ole@interop.com with a brief biography and
relevant contact information.


Ole J Jacobsen, Editor & Publisher ConneXions--The Interoperability Report
Interop Company, 480 San Antonio Road, Suite 100, Mountain View, CA 94040,
Phone: (415) 962-2515  FAX: (415) 949-1779  Email: ole@csli.stanford.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:24:12 -0400
From: olsen@eos.ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Telephone Radio Link Wanted
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 700, Message 11 of 11

I'm looking for a telephone radio link, to provide a telephone link
between two houses, one currently with phone service and one without.
I want something that works just like a two-conductor cable but is
cheaper, over a range of about 3300 feet (1 km).  There is a clear
line of sight between the two points (over water).

Could anyone suggest a way of doing this?  (Cellular service is not
available.)  I can think of three approaches, of varying cost:

1. Buy a consumer-type cordless phone and fit a directional
   antenna on it. (cheap)

2. Buy a professional system designed for such applications. ($$)

3. Give up and run underwater telephone cable ($$$).

I'll be grateful if anyone can give me advice on this or pointers to
suppliers of appropriate equipment.  Thanks in advance.
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:04:22 GMT
From: julian%bongo.UUCP@nosc.mil (Julian Macassey)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Modem Access From Europe to North America
Reply-To: julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey)
Organization: The Hole in the Wall  Hollywood California U.S.A.
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In article <telecom12.679.13@eecs.nwu.edu> RM_KIEFF@rom.tcpl.
ucalgary.ca (ROM M. KIEFFER) writes:

> One of our employees will travel to the Netherlands in the near future
> from where he will need to access various computing devices back at
> the office in Canada, with his Macintosh powerbook and built-in modem.

> This gives rise to several questions:

> - since European jack wiring is different from North American
> standards, what kind of cable will I need to build/acquire to make
> ends meet?

	Yes, you need an adapter to allow your Bell standard RJ line
cord to plug into the Dutch jack. This question is asked about once a
month -- when are the modem manufacturers going to cover it in their
manuals?

	You can make up a "works anywhere modem kit", I have posted
this before -- I will email to interested parties. For the fumble
fingered, you can buy adaptor kits. There is a fellow in the U.K that
sells them. Not cheap, but if you have screwdriver, voltmeter phobia,
they will do the job.

	He is: Teleadapt
	P.O. Box 169
	Pinner 
	Middlesex HAS 5QW
	England

	Phone: +44.81.429.0479

	He has a range of kits. He offers a Europak for 100 pounds and
a Netherlands kit for an unspecified sum.

	I have never seen his products let alone tested them. But they
are a solution. 

> - is it legal in to connect private modems to the public carrier?

	Who cares? Do you seriously believe the modem policde are going
to come knocking?

> - and, are the European digital dial tones the same as the North
> American ones?

	"Digital dial tones"? Lemme see, rotary dial, that's digital.
Touch Tone that's analogue. But I spose the question is: "Is TouchTone
the same in other countries? To all intents and purposes, yes. Yes I
know the CCITT Spec is different than the Bell spec; don't ask me
why. What about pulse dial? Well, yes, pretty much the same all over
the world -- New Zealand and Sweden being exceptions. There is a
difference in the make break ratio, but a good modem can change this.

	Busy tones etc may be different, as are dial tones -- the
noise you hear when you pick up the phone.


Julian Macassey, julian@bongo.info.com  N6ARE@K6VE.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA
742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue Hollywood CA 90046-7142 voice (213) 653-4495
Date: 13 Sep 1992 08:33:44 -0700
From: leavens@mizar.usc.edu (Justin Leavens)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: AT&T 'Buying' Back Customers
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 707, Message 5 of 7

> In article <telecom12.679.5@eecs.nwu.edu> I wrote:

>> 'You may already have won').  Strangely enough, this was a real check
>> for $40 made out to me, marked 'Endorsement indicates your acceptance'

In article <telecom12.694.8@eecs.nwu.edu> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com
(Gerald Ru\derman) writes:

> I got one for only $20 earlier in the summer. Since I did not switch,
> you are the beneficiary of them increasing the amount. No if you
> hadn't switched the next check would have been for $80 and then if ...

Several c.d.t. readers have informed me that checks up to $100 have
been issued in this promotion, the amount of the check depending on
your long-distance usage patterns. I guess I finally have something to
thank my old roommates for.


Justin Leavens     University of Southern California
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:21:01 GMT
From: vixen!jadams@uunet.UU.NET (22475-adams)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: AIN Trial Information Request Address Needed
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 713, Message 2 of 16

In attempting to reply to the University of Pittsburg poster
requesting info on the Bell Atlantic AIN trial, I got the following
addressing error message.  Would the orginal poster contact me
directly, as I have most of what he/she needs.

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----

While talking to icarus.lis.pitt.edu:
>>> RCPT To:<st5@lis.pitt.edu>
<<< 550 <st5@lis.pitt.edu>... User unknown
550 lis.pitt.edu!st5... User unknown


Jack (John) Adams		| Bellcore NVC 2Z-220
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From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Information Wanted on GTD-5 Centrex
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
Organization: Green Hills and Cows
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 708, Message 8 of 11

williamsk@gtephx.UUCP (Kevin W. Williams) writes:

> Luckily, the manufacturer is on the Internet. Unfortunately, for
> historical reasons (the great Higdon/Williams/Baker Flame War of
> 1992), I would rather not take up discussion of the GTD-5 on the
> telecom bulletin board,

I will have you know that I have stopped bad-mouthing the GTD-5. I
find a much more effective way to respond to inquiries about that
equipment. I simply point out that Los Gatos is service by GTD-5
switches, then I invite the person to contact ANYONE in that town and
ask him or her for an opinion of the telephone service.

All the venom I could spew could not do a more effective job of
getting the message across! The GTD-5 is its own best (worst?)
advertisement.


        John Higdon         |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115
    john@zygot.ati.com      | San Jose, CA 95150 |       M o o !