HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:25:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: degas.wag.caltech.edu

David says ...
>->=I don't follow this point at all.  I consider atheism and agnosticism to be
>->=religions in that they are a series of beliefs about God.

>->"I don't know" is now a belief?

>To answer a question with a question: How would an agnostic respond if I
>were to ask, "What do you believe about God?"

"I'd say: I have no beliefs about God.  I don't know if any God exists or not,
or in what form."

"That seems, to me, far too nebulous to be considered a religion.  It's not
even concrete enough to be a philosophy in and of itself, though such a
statement can be the result of any of a number of philosophies."
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:55:49 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <RANDOLPH.92Nov16211607@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>, randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) writes:
>Scientists as a group reject as
>erroneous data which contradicts current paradigms--there has to be a
>new hypothesis before they are willing to change.

Oh?  Please explain the acceptance of the Michelson-Morley experiment.  Please
explain why scientists didn't claim that the absence of the untraviolet
catastrophe wasn't simply experimental error.

When you get enough data that doesn't fit current theories, the theories
change.  Not the other way around.  Irreproducible anomalies, of course, aren't
going to drive any rapid change in models.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Cybernetic Samurai)
Subject: Introduction (was Eh?)
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:26:59 GMT


The dollar is taken and the beer delivered.  The hood on the 
jacket which is covering the strangers face opens just enough for 
the beer to disappear for a moment and then return to the bar
half empty (half-full for you optimists).  In the dim light 
of the bar anyone who is watching notices the strangers gaunt
long fingers and catches a glimpse of a gaunt face with what
seems to be a giant black mustache cutting a gash across the
strangers face.  

After several minutes of what seems to be a religious
contemplation of the beer mug, the sinewey hand reaches out to
again grasp the beer firmly and render it invisible inside the
hood of the coat.  A few seconds later the beer mug emerges,
deviod of any beer except a few traces of foam running down the
side.  Spinning on the barstool the stranger hefts the beer mug
over his head and fires it into the fireplace grate. <crash> 

Several of the patrons who have congregated near the fire are
startled and glance in the direction of the bar to observe the
initiator of the interruption.  As they are looking the strangers
hood opens up and comes down revealing an interesting figure.  A
shock of black hair to match the mustache, constrained only by 
a white headband, adorned with red horizontal stripes.  A beak of
a nose perched on top of his thick mustache.  Deep blue eyes
which seem to swim with pleasure and sparkle with anticipation,
along with a broad mouth displaying a wide smile. :)

Projecting behind his head is a white, or ivory, cylinder carved
into what seems to be a handle.

"Howdy," he says, "the names Doug, but most folks know me as the 
Cybernetic Samurai. I'm a newbie in these parts but know of this 
place by reputation."

"Glad I found it, though.  It's been a long road getting here and
I can use the rest and the company." :)

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: Black Death Birthdays (Recipe Included)
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:19:11 GMT

>> [Darn, I've deleted the reference again...:]
>> If only we knew what a bundt tin is (hint, hint.)
> [StM:]
>A bundt pan is like a tube pan (you know, the kind you make angels-food cake
>in, except instead of being smooth, the sides are scalloped.  An ordinary tube
>pan should make an acceptable substitute.

Danger Mouse was hoping someone would ask what a bundt pan is. He didn't
feel like making a fool of himself, but now he can't resist the
opportunity...

"That's great, except I still don't know what a bundt pan is, because I
don't know what a tube pan is, and don't really know what an angel's-food
cake is like.

"Still," DM raises a finger in an effort to show he's not a complete
idiot, "I'm going to try Merri's recipe this weekend, using whatever cake
tin I have available. I assume a tube pan is a short, fat cylinder with
a flat base. I'll probably use something like that. Watch out for the
success reports from a chocolate-bloated DM!"

DM pauses a second, then continues while he still has an audience.
"Say, has anyone thought of compiling a Callahan's Cookbook? One or two
favourite recipes from as many patrons as are willing to submit? I have
a strange feeling that I'm volunteering to do the collecting and
formatting... (silly me)..."

- Danger Mouse.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:25:06 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov18.203953.4479@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
=In article <1edn7hINNrsm@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
=->In article <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
=->=->Then again, why does believing in a deity or being a Christian, make you 
=->=->more moral than anyone else?  Especially when empirical evidence doesn't
=->=->show a clear cut difference.
=->
=->=Because I happened to draw my moral code from the teachings of the Bible.  If
=->=I didn't have the Bible, things might be different.
=->
=->That means that if someone behaves exactly like a Christian (except he doesn't
=->go to church), then he's STILL less moral than the Christian?  Who was it who
=->said something like "By their fruits shall ye know them"?
=
=This person's attendance of church says absolutely nothing about his belief.
=That's the important part.

How about answering the question?  If a person behaves in the manner that your
moral code says is desirable, is that person moral even if he doesn't happen to
be a Christian?  And if the answer is "no," then what the hell happened to "by
their fruits shall ye know them"?

=->=I don't follow this point at all.  I consider atheism and agnosticism to be
=->=religions in that they are a series of beliefs about God.
=->
=->"I don't know" is now a belief?
=
=To answer a question with a question: How would an agnostic respond if I
=were to ask, "What do you believe about God?"

An agnostic would respond along the lines of "The question is ill-formed.  I
don't know whether or not god exists, so how can I possibly believe anything
about it?"
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Lamplighter's Re-Introduction
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:18:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <1992Nov15.155043.25085@news.columbia.edu> tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tammy Jo Eckhart) writes:
>Barbara Trumpinski writes:
>>kitten comes over to give the lamplighter a purple hug...(didn't
>>realize you would fade /*).

>>"it's so nice to have you home again..."

>	The Lamplighter goes >urk< and then hugs Kitten back.  "It's good to
>be back home again, kitten, and it's good to see you!"

>	He looks kind of thoughtful, then, muttering, "I didn't know hugs
>came in colors ... how'd you know purple was my favorite color?  I should put
>that in my bio file; it's not there now ..."

From the corner, /* noticed this exchange, and gave a quick laugh.
"Hey, that's great!  My favorite color is purple, too!"
He hears some snickers, glances around at some of the smirking
Callahaners.
"Oh, um, I guess I didn't need to say that.  Pretty obvious, hunh?"

Glancing back to kitten and Lamplighter, /* realizes what a neat
thing a purple hug can be.  "But don't worry!  It isn't permanent!"

:)

-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:11:42 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: davinci.wag.caltech.edu

>>"You wouldn't happen to have read 'The Rains of Eridan' by H. M. Hoover,
>>would you?  One of my favorites ... I've been looking for a copy for years."

>/* squinches up his face, his eyebrows looking like furry purple
>caterpillars facing off against each other.

>"No, I don't think so.  But I have a desperate need to go bookstore-
>hopping soon, so I'll be sure to keep an eye out for it!"

"Well, if you ever do see it, I'm certainly willing to pay (as long as you
don't ship it to Australia first ...).  it would be worth the money just
to have it stop nagging at the back of my head!"

Abner considers for a second.  "Of course, then some other book I don't have
will start nagging, but at least it'd be a change ..."

>>>>>"Thanks, Abner!  I think I need another drink after that Purple-People
>>>>>Eater scare!!"

>>>>Here you go.  I'm sure it'll taste mauvelous!

>>>"Many more that bad and I'll get violetly ill!!"

>>"Say many more like that and you'll get purple upset at you!"

>"Okay, okay, you win!  I thought I could go for a while
>telling purple puns, but you've taken all the plum ones!!"

Abner flinches.  He's reaching his limit.  "If you tell many more puns like
that, we'll maroon you on a desert island!"
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: I made it!
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:44:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <keulen.722231594@possum>, keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au
(Mike van Keulen) wrote:
> 
> pierceha@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Heather Pierce) writes:
> 
> 
> > I finally found Callahans!  It feels wonderful to be here.  I some incredible
> > hunk rubbing my back <how like Callahans, eh?
> >                                         Heather
> 
> Heh-heh!  Welcome to the Place ... I see Jason's already working on your
> back (Oh! To have a more reliable link to the Cosmos!).  How about a drink
> to sip on while your spine unwinds.  Welcome to Club-Med Callahans  :-)
> 
> Splash!

"Actually, she hasn't said yes, yet. But if Heather wants a backrub from
either myself, or Thyra, or both of us, we're ready and willing."

Jason
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The Difference Injure..
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:57:54 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov17.000338.11749@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
=StM is right in that being bigger and stronger isn't an issue until you
=decide to use violence as an option.  For me, amusingly enough, I can't
=even *think* of violence as an option unless the other party *is* bigger
=and stronger and meaner than me.  Usually I just grin and go on.

StM puts in, "Y'know, I'm the same way. In my case, that means that there are
damned few situations where I can even consider using violence (unless, of
course, I'm attacked)."
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:42:01 -0500 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Another introduction...

Excerpts from netnews.alt.callahans: 20-Nov-92 Re: Another
introduction... @mhs-relay.ac.uk (1029)

> "The White Mountain", "City of Gold and Lead", and -- darn, what is the
> third one called.  John Christopher's "Tripods" trilogy, whatever.  "The
> White Mountain" might easily be the first SF I read as well, I certainly
read it as a pre-teen.  

I think that was alos some of the fisst SF I read.  Maybe I read a
little fantasy type things for little kids before that.  I got hooked in
it from Boys Life.  the montly installments were not enough sooo.  I got
the books and read them  I just rembered the third "The Pool of Fire" 
which is what the tripods used for power in thier cities.

-I remember the the glory days when we sat with the king.
Dining on meh yams and washing it down with red rum.
ML5A@andrew.cmu.edu Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:44:52 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <BxqLGC.n0D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

>>With that, / * realizes he's on some soapboxes, jumps down,
>>heads back to the bar, hands over another purple bill, and asks
>>Mike to make him another Grape Crush.

>as /* jumps, he is caught and hugged by kitten..."i am pleased to see
>that your prose isn't purple, but very sensible.  mike, put this drink
>on my tab please...

/*, taken by surprise, stumbles a moment, and then hugs kitten right
back.  Onlookers near them can see that /*'s cheeks are flushing a
bright violet, which stands out against his normal dark lavendar skin.

He then laughs loudly.  "Thanks kitten!  You've made me feel so welcome!"

-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: takeoff ! Re: dance for /*
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:08:30 GMT

mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes) writes:
>>        Thank you for the dance Mike, " Linda.
>
>>        "Well Mike Holmes, How did you like it ? " DJ.
>
>>        "Here's a glass of ice water, " Robbie.
>
>"Wow!  *That's* what I call dancing!!"
>
>A purple hand reaches out for the ice water, and the liquid and
>the glass it is in, predictably, begin to turn purple.
>
>"Thanks, I think I need it!"
>
>He starts to smooth his clothes back into place, and then
>whips out a purple comb to *try* to get his hair to look like
>anything other than the "finger in a light socket" 'do he has now.
>Slowly, the earth starts to feel more solid under
>the purple suede shoes.
>
>"Thank *you* for the dance, Linda - I enjoyed it
>very much!  It was an (dare I say it?) uplifting experience!
>And I would be honored to dance with you again in the
>future!"

     "Uh oh !" DJ.

     "Glad to !" Linda.

     "Uh, Linda. I think he was " Robbie.

     Before Robbie can finish, Linda grabs /* and they zoom out the door,



     and dance a Viennese Waltz on the meadow...



      "joking, " Robbie.

 
      "Whew..." DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: T-Day -10 and Counting...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:26:51 GMT

ed says:

>Well now...

>Not here to drink, due to the pain meds for my throat...

>Just wanted to remind you all that ChambanaCon XXII is Friday, Nov. 27 thru
>Sunday, Nov. 29, at the Chancellor Hotel, Champaign, IL.

>See you all there - I will be there on THURSDAY because I am doing some stuff
>this year that's special - I'm running a World Builder Panel, and need ALL your help I can get.


"eddie, m'love," says kitten, restraining herself so she won't kiss
ed on the tip of his poor damaged nose, "you forgot the most important
thing.  monday, nov. 23....your birthday!!!!!!!!! and NO i didn't
forget that your birthday was coming...i just don't believe it's
already almost nov. 23."

kitten curls up at ed's rather large feet and waits for more victims
to come within reach of her hugs...

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:55:33 GMT

The Nightstalker nods as Mishael speaks.

"Nice to hear, wish I could always be as succinct.  Buy you a drink,
and anyone else?   Not that I am going to buy you anyone else, I mean
buy anyone else a drink."

<crash>
--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
The most incomprehensible thing
                        about the world is that it is comprehensible.
Albert Einstein...
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:26:09 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <1992Nov19.043658.3019@ucc.su.OZ.AU> pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:

>The Nightstalker listens intently to Mike as he speaks of his brother,
>and sighs.

>"Ah, to have a brother.  I am glad that you and your brother get along
>as you do.  I can relate to your brother though, to want people to know
>Christ, and to do it with both feet in ones mouth and ones head up one ass
>is a good trick that I am perfecting."

/* smiles at this.  "I don't think you've done *that* badly, Nightstalker!"

"There are times when we all rub people the wrong way - luckily my
brother and I no longer do that to each other with quite the same
frequency as we used to!!"

>The Nightstalker laughs at himself, and turns to Mike.

>"Another crush?  Mike, whatever this fellow wants.  Gee, I think I
>am building up a hefty tab!!"

>"To siblings!"

><crash>

"Thanks, Nightstalker, I'll take another!"
/* raises his glass, takes a drink, and hurls it into the fireplace.

*crash*

The flames briefly flare with a purplish-white color, then die down.

"To siblings!"


-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: A Little Light
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:53:45 GMT


Splash wanders up to the bar, puts down a 2 dollar coin and asks Mike:
"I'll have a long black coffee, and another espresso for Liralen; make 'em
hot - I'm not sure how long until she wakes up."  Taking the brightly
coloured recycling mugs he walks over to where Liralen is sleeping quietly
and sets the mugs down gently on the table.  Sitting himself down, Splash
watches the slowly fading light in the hemisphere, smiling to himself, as
he awaits Liralen's wakening.

--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
*        Murdoch WA 6150  AUSTRALIA              ++ 61 (09) 417-3902 (home)*
*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
Subject: not saving rmail buffers
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:08:21

Why has the optional saving of rmail buffers by save-some-buffers (and thus
by C-X s and C-X C-C) been disabled in rmail.el for Lucid Emacs??

I think this is quite a misfeature.  If you're exiting and want your rmail
buffer(s) saved, you have to abort the exit and go back and save the rmail
buffer(s) manually.

This is presumably what has caused this problem:

  (make-local-variable 'save-buffers-skip)
  (setq save-buffers-skip t)

How come this was changed?
--
------------------
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or decwrl!labrea!me or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
Subject: lemacs 19.3 problems, DEC 5000/200, Ultrix 4.1
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: alt
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:53:17

Here are a couple of problems we've noticed with lemacs 19.3, running on a
DECstation 5000/200 under Ultrix 4.1.

1. Can't start up lemacs from an X menu -- it dumps core unless
started from a shell.

2. When C-c C-b is used on a latex file to compile it, forward references
are not gotten no matter how many times the command is repeated.  Doing the
same thing in (non-Lucid) emacs works.
--
------------------
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or decwrl!labrea!me or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
From: tlp00@climb.as (Tibor Polgar)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Subject: set-key funcs can't be repeated
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: tlp00@ras.amdahl.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems

If i interactively enter the command global-set-key, local-set-key, etc
and then later want to do a "repeat-complex-command" on that key command
it doesn't work.  An example "repeat" is 

(global-set-key (quote [#<keypress-event num_lock>]) (quote nop))

The error returned is "invalid read syntax: "#"


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From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: not saving rmail buffers
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug