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From: ryoder@zds-ux.UUCP (Robert Yoder)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Cypres -misinformation
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:20:17 GMT
Organization: Zenith Data Systems

In article <746.2B3CA668@ehsnet.fidonet.org>,  writes:

[text deleted]

> affordable.  I'm just not convinced yet.  Also, I struggle with the thought
> of our sport becoming sterilized with gadgets that remove the risks, which
> makes Skydiving exciting, & allowing people who dont trust thier abilities
> and equipment into the sport, making it more like a Carnival Ride.  Remove
> the risks, and you remove the excitement, as well as a closeness, & bonding
> of a breed of people who sometimes share the edge with each other.
> Ever try to talk about Skydiving at WUFFO party?   -Pull your own ripcord.
>            - DE.
> 
> --- DB 1.50/000077
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> 
>  * Origin: Dangerous Ed's Skydiving Dungeon (1:110/68.7)
> --  
> SKYDIVE - via FidoNet node 1:233/13

I couldn't agree with you more; But why stop at AAD's?  Let's get rid
of these other gadgets that were developed to enable incompetents to
jump:

RESERVE STATIC LINE:
This potentially creates a hazard in canopy wraps, and if someone isn't
capable of pulling a reserve after doing a cutaway, they shouldn't be
jumping in the first place.

RAMAIR CANOPIES:
These were developed to enable people who couldn't learn to compensate
for wind drift, and who couldn't learn to do a PLF; i.e. wimps.

RESERVE CANOPIES:
Early jumpers didn't need them, (e.g. Tiny Broadwick), so why do we
need them?  Probably for people who either aren't bright enough to
pack a parachute properly, or are to lazy to do it right, and need
a properly-packed canopy to fall back on.  We don't need either of
these turkeys in the air with us.

I propose we get rid of all these crutches and training wheels, and
soon through the process of survival-of-the-fittest, (i.e. bounces),
we will weed out the marginal jumpers and reduce the skydiving
community to an elite group of highly proficient jumpers we can be
proud to be a part of, (assuming we all survive).

Robert Yoder
From: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: DZ in San Diego
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 

To: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)

DC.I need to know by 1:45 PM today CST.

DC.Sorry, He didn't say anything sooner.

Sorry I couldn't answer sooner.  If your friend gets Parachutist, he
could look in the back and see San Diego Air Sports Center,
619-421-0968.

That's probably a _much_ faster way of finding DZ's than posting it to
the newsgroup.
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Cypres -misinformation
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 13:41:22 GMT

Reply-to: Hector.Mandel@p0.f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Hector Mandel)
Fido-To: ed

In a msg on <Dec 24 11:48>, Ed of 1:110/68.7 writes:

 E> affordable.  I'm just not convinced yet.  Also, I struggle 
 E> with the thought of our sport becoming sterilized with gadgets 
 E> that remove the risks, which makes Skydiving exciting, & 
 E> allowing people who dont trust thier abilities and equipment 
 E> into the sport, making it more like a Carnival Ride.  Remove
 E> the risks, and you remove the excitement, as well as a 
 E> closeness, & bonding of a breed of people who sometimes share 
 E> the edge with each other. Ever try to talk about Skydiving at 
 E> WUFFO party?   -Pull your own ripcord.

Why don't you just drive around in your car or motorcycle with the brakes disabled?  It would be a lot less expensive way to excite yourself than jumping out of an airplane :):):)

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From: tjreynol@diana.cair.du.edu (sucker)
Subject: Re: Help: hang-gliding info
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 00:12:35 GMT

In article <wine-311292132953@sed3.nrl.navy.mil> wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil (jim ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.133940.1274@altair.selu.edu>,
>bhmd1464@altair.selu.edu wrote:
>> I am interested in hang-gliding.
>> Does anyone have any info that could help me?
>> Brian Acosta
>
>The only place to learn to hang-glide (that I've heard of) is at 
>Nags Head, NC.  They glide off the dunes.  
>
of course there are hang gliding schools all over. look in the 
phone book,.

One school near here offers a free introductory class on  Thursday
eves. and you actually get to strap in a glider and take a seriously
quick flight on level ground. However, you need to buy your own stuff.
They don't have student/rental gear available. Which seems pretty odd
to me..


Subscribe to the hang-gliding list. I really oughta keep the address 
around.

Tim

Saw a video the other day of a hang glider doing loops! Cool stuf.


>


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From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Subject: Re: Open Canopy GIF files
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:16:19 GMT


In article <1992Dec30.200350.8589@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel) writes:
|> Path: rdg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!enterpoop.mit.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!uunet!spsgate!mogate!newsgate!usenet
|> From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
|> Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
|> Subject: Open Canopy GIF files
|> Message-ID: <1992Dec30.200350.8589@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
|> Date: 30 Dec 92 20:03:50 GMT
|> Sender: usenet@newsgate.sps.mot.com
|> Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
|> 
|> 
|> We all have seen the gif files available on skydive.eng.ufl.edu
|> Most all these files are of free fall or relative work. Am curious
|> if anyone has seen any decent gif files of open canopies, CRW, or
|> landings.....?
|> 
|> 
	
	I just had send me a listing form skydive.eng.ufl.edu.
	No directory seen. Where do I have to look for?

	By the way,I'm looking for BASE jump videos in PAL format.
	Are there any? Few weeks ago I saw Patrick de Gayardon
	doing some Earth jumps on television. Has a lot of sex appeal,
	think I'll try it too.

						helmut						

					
From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:56:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Rumor that Wally Gubbins bounced??
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

There was a rumor that Pete Reynolds AKA Wally Gubbins had gone in.
IT WAS ENTIRELY FALSE!  A number of people have talked to Pete directly
and he is definitely alive.

BTW Leo Dickinson filmed some (all?) of the Wally movies and he's 
pretty well known for other cinematography.

Blue Skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Music while jumping
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:08:09 GMT

Has anyone jumped with a CD player before?  I've seen in done in videos,
but have never done it myself.  (I have, however, *tried* to do it.  It
turns out that my new player is a wuss.  It didn't want to jump, and the
batteries died during the climb to altitude!)  Not having made the
experiment myself, I'm starting to wonder just how badly this is likely to
thrash the player.  I've done it with a cassette player, dumped high, and
activated the music.  It didn't seem to hurt anything.  (Note that you're
usually dumping high while listening to music.  When jumping at a one plane
DZ like ours, it means that you land much later than everyone else, and the
risk of collision is minimal.)

For that matter, what would you all take with you while jumping?  I was all
cued up on "Learning to Fly" when the machine crapped out on me.  The time
before that, I had some new age synth stuff whose name currently escapes
me.

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From: WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker')
Subject: Re: Eloy Fatality
Organization: Space Systems/Loral, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:21:56 GMT
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In <6730181@hplsla.hp.com> artb@hplsla.hp.com writes:

> I have an unconfirmed rumor that a a jumper went in at Eloy during the 
> Christmas/New Year's Boogie.  I was told the jumper was a french-speaking 
> female jumper, ~18-years-old, low number of jumps, no-pull.
> 
> Art Bori
> D-11402

Consider the rumor confirmed.  Don't know about the age or number of jumps. 
The woman was doing free-style while being photographed by Mike McGowan. 
Mike's opening was reported as around 500'.
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From: valrik@carina.unm.edu (Rick J. Valles)
Subject: Pecos Parachute School
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 04:20:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Followup-To: Skydiving in Las Cruces  
Distribution: World
Keywords: "Country Skydiving"

Actually, the Belen (Albuquerque) DZ looks a lot like driving out to the Pecos
Parachute School, although our hangar space is quite comfy.  The view of the
surrounding New Mexico country is breathtaking and we have some of the
greatest sunsets!  Our DZ is at 5,200 MSL and we do have our share of cold 
weather, but not enough to complain about (I still do!).

Our Beech C-18 (yes, C-18!) jump pilot just hit his 10,000th hour flying.  He
is also a jumper, I, rigger and all the rest.  I just recently made PP-ASEL
under his flight instruction, as well as used one of his reserve pack jobs!
(for a total of 8 round and 3 square rides!)

The people are quite friendly and always willing to help.  For entertainment,
there's always Dan on the Flute or little Jimmy McAnally trying to trip over
your lines while you pack. :)

So, if you are looking for a DZ where you can jump and also get your Pilot's
license, it's an ideal place.  

Speaking of our Mr. Daniel (D.B. Swooper) Briggs, I'm going to organize his
PhD graduation Skydive, hopefully over the Very Large Array (VLA) radio 
telescopes on the St. Augustine Plains about 52 n.m. southwest of our DZ.
I flew over it this afternoon to scout it out, but unfortunately Dan couldn't
join me.  We will have to wait until the dishes are pulled into their in-tight
configuration, but it will make an awesome 16x20 for his office and maybe the
cover of Parachutist (or at least the Belen newspaper!)!  I figure that if I 
organize it, I won't have to snivel on the load or snivel even harder
to go out last!  Woosh-Swoop!  Oh, I should mention that the VLA is special
since D.B. is attached (at the hip) to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory,where he is doing his thesis on applied mathematics as it relates to image 
enhancement of radio telescopic photographs, or something like that.  If he
can only avoid hitting the tails of King Air's...!!!

Anyway, sorry for being so "talkative," but I'm still on a high from flying
down to the VLA this afternoon and having a really great "greaser" cross-wind
landing when I got back at sunset.  You should've been there D.B.!  The plains
where the VLA is located is still snow covered from 12/4.  It looks so serene.

Well, happy holidays to y'all and I hope you all get the rigs and goodies you 
will be looking for under the tree.  I know one jumper who is getting a Sabre
from his jumper wife.  Hey, there's an idea: ZP underware for those REALLY
scary dives!  Oops.  Underwear!  Been around software too long! 


Rick J. "Rocket J." Valles

Captain, "Rocket J. and the Flying Squirrels" precision freefall team
(Sometimes also known as, "Cut-Away O'Mally and The 'Functions" and
"Serendipitous Proximity")
From: mmh2941@rigel.tamu.edu (Mary Haskett)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Freestyle camp
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:00 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <1992Dec22.160839.7121@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes...
> 
>I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I have a related question: Can anyone
>compare the training camps given by Mike Michigan and Tamara Koyn?  Just
>based on the personalities of the people involved, I'd suspect that Mike
>might teach more to the techniques and Tamara more to the philosophy, but I
>certainly do not know this be true.  Can anyone add some data points?
>Scott, didn't Mike make a trip down under a while ago and give some
>workshops?  Do you have any comments on the style of teaching?

I've been to seminars by both Tamara Koyn and Mike Michigan and at Tamara's
seminar (it was one of her first, so they may have improved) the video was
amazing and I learned alot from watching it, but she was unable to comm-
unicate effectively with the participants and was generally inarticulate.
I left feeling that she was a very talented freestylist and I had gained
ideas of things to try, but my freestyle didn't improve. At Michigan's
seminar, he is much less formal and structured but he was able to explain
the moves so well that he could communicate what it _felt_ like to do a 
move. I went up and tried some stuff and it worked and felt just like he
said it would. I left feeling like my freestyle technique had improved.
He did go to Australia and do some very well received seminars there. The
team that won third place in the female category at the World Freestyle
Championships was coached by him when he was there.  I can also recommend
the Wind Tunnel Boogie at Pigeon Forge, TN. Michigan will be there and I
don't know who else, but it's alot of fun and you can learn alot. 

Mary Haskett
Texas A&M University
E-mail at MMH2941@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU
From: ruokonen@lut.fi (Vesa Ruokonen)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Open Canopy GIF files
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: Vesa.Ruokonen@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

In article <H.AYHHMxsLE6Y@zebedee.uucp>, geoffc@zebedee.uucp (Geoffrey Coan) writes:
> In <1992Dec30.200350.8589@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, Jim Beutel writes:

> >if anyone has seen any decent gif files of open canopies, CRW, or
> Can I expand on this question please and ask if there is anywhere with
> skydiving pictures that has a mail server as I don't have FTP access.

There's archive and mail server in address

	mailserver@nic.funet.fi

but don't expect too much as it's still "under developement".
Send "HELP" in mail message body first.

The skydiving pictures are in directory

	pub/pics/gif/pics/sports/skydiving

There aren't any gifs of open canopies, but a couple jpegs
paragliding (they have *open* canopies ;) exists in directory

	pub/pics/jpeg/sports/paragliding
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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Wing Loading?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:48:04 GMT

I wonder how the max suspended weight factors are determined for various
canopies.  I noticed that the numbers for all the Sabres are very close 
to 1.1 lbs/sq. ft.  For example, the maximum suspended weight for a
Sabre 135 is listed as 148.5 lbs.  It's my impression that most people
who jump Sabres load them far more than 1.1.  The new Nova's are
advertised as requiring *at least* 1.2 wing loading to begin to
perform.  Is all this a combination of advertizing hype and
engineering fudge factors?  Or is there a sound basis for the
difference in loading factors given for various canopies?

From: boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:32:44 GMT
Subject: s
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving


Somebody mentioned that Tom Piras didn't activate his CYPRES because of fear
that it would deploy while floating.

Does anyone know of a documented instance of a CYPRES doing this?  FXCs, sure,
but CYPRESs?

I thought I remembered reading somewhere recently that no such problems have
been encountered by CYPRES users...

Thanks, 

Richard Boucher
A-15082

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: tandem skysurfing
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:06:11 GMT

Hmm..  But you have started the creative juices flowing.  All you Tandem
Pilots out there, what d'ya think?  Is Tandem Sky Surfing (TSS) possible?
The concept does make me a little edgy.  How 'bout you Sky Surfers, do you
think we could do it?


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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Cypres -misinformation
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:38:37 GMT

Well said
Bobby Magee

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: New Sterilizing Gadgets!
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 05:15:00 GMT

Paid for my new Swift Plus Sterilizer over the weekend, should be here
tomorrow (?).

And I put a down payment on my new Custom Colored ZP PD Sterilizer!
Should be here in 10 weeks, hopefully to save my life gazillions of
times.

Tim
hope i'm still cool...
From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Sabre 150 For Sale    :-(
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU


Sabre 150 For Sale!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

* Mini-links, Microline, Stainless Steel Gromets, the works.

* Colors (all Neon): Yellow Yel. Magenta Turquoise Yel. Turq. Mag. Yel. Yel.
         (Magenta Slider)

* Very Good Looking. 

* Purchased 10 months ago, not used in last 3 months (Kept packed).

* <170 jumps on the Canopy.

* Excellent condition: 	Landed only on grass.
			Packed exclusively indoors.
			No water landings.
			Never left in the sun.
			No rips, tears or burns.
			
Reason for sale: Need money to purchase a canopy with a slower forward
speed, since I can't "run a landing" out -- and won't be able to for quite
a while! You hook turn this canopy (or any canopy!) at your own risk!

Asking $950, shipping included. It's in perfect condition, and would
cost about $1200 if you ordered it new.

It kills me to sell this absolutely excellent canopy, but my ankle and
I agree that a year or so on a slower canopy to give everything lots
of time to heal, and to leave room for mistakes would be a maximally
wise thing to do!

Contact me through email:
	belboz@ri.cmu.edu
Or call me:
	412-268-7144 (work)
	412-421-5490 (home)


Thanks!
Barry, C-21387.

ps. Please feel free to post this at your local DZ -- I'd really
appreciate it! I'll be putting ads in Skydiving and (perhaps)
Parachutist shortly.

--
Barry Brumitt                        belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu
RI Graduate Student                  (or) bb1v@andrew.cmu.edu
Field Robotics Center                Phone: (412) 268-7144
Carnegie Mellon University           "Who is John Galt?" $ Skydive!

Boring Disclaimer: The opinions contained herein do not necessarily
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  represent those of the FRC, SCS, RI or even CMU.
From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (John O'Neil - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Music while jumping
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:11:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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NINE INCH NAILS

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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Open Canopy GIF files
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:03:50 GMT

Hi Gang.

We all have seen the gif files available on skydive.eng.ufl.edu
Most all these files are of free fall or relative work. Am curious
if anyone has seen any decent gif files of open canopies, CRW, or
landings.....?


Thanks.
Jim



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From: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu (Ken Cameron)
Subject: Re: How far is Sky Dive City from Tampa??
Keywords: Hmmmm
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:57:15 EST

42.5 miles. I go I275 to I75. From the airport off-peek time I do it
in 45 minutes on peek about 1:30. I hear that skydive city now has a
road in from the bypass for those who don't like the bumps on Tucker
Road.

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Strong vs Vector
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:18:16 GMT

Thanks for the comments.  I agree with them.  An interesting benefit to the
"Vector Rock", I tell my passengers if they feel themselves rocking it is
because their arch isn't good enough, and that they are too tense.
Remarkable how well this works to improve their body position!

No question about the head down, however I _strongly_ challenge about the
handle placements.  Both main drogue release handles on the Strong are within
5 inches of each other on the right side.  On the Vector there is one on each
side.  Either hand has the option.  I was grabbed once by a psdsenger and
freed myself (in a hurry!), but if I hadn't been able to I would have had to
deploy my reserve past the drogue 8^(.

The Vector is prettier packed isn't it.  Have you noticed the Strong rig
doing the heavy de-arch during droguefall?

Blue skies! & merry x-mas, I'm off to Eloy!!!!! Yahhh.
Bobby Magee
D-371

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In article / mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) /  5:31 am  Dec 13, 1992 / writes:

> Quite similarly, you *can* get a throw-out on a racer, but in practice
> you'll find them setup with pull-out's, right?

Not necessarily.  The order form allows you to specify which.  My Racer Elite
has a throw-out but because of camera-work I've converted to a pull-out.
I prefer a throw-out.

> Cold snowy weather here on the east coast.

Not too cold (low 30's) but snowy here in the Northwest.  After having 
lived in very snowy NE PA, it's amazing to watch Northwest drivers 
freak out over 1" of snow.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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