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From: patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Cuba & other misc. rants
Keywords: Cuba,Torricelli,Bush,equivocationals
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:48:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Torricelli says he wants to "restore democracy" to Cuba. At what
points in its history was Cuba democratic?
 
From the Newark Star-Ledger:
 
...trading with Cuba will mean that the profits from thoes sales
will go towards maintaining "a security apparatus that brings only
tyranny." - Torricelli
 
...the congressman has received a substantial amount of campaign
contributions from the strongly anti-Castro Cuban-American
community in Miami...
 
 
I agree that Cuba will never be democratic until after Castro is
dead. Whether or not it will be democratic afterward is another
matter. This AT&T business is an interesting gambit though.
 
Another Bush-ism: Bush responded to Teicher's and Secord's comments
by saying $40 million has been spent investigating Iran-contra
and that "clearly if I'd done anything wrong...you can bet that
the Democrats in Congress would have had me before the bar."
 
Maybe Barney Frank already has. Heh,heh,heh. Personally, I think
Bush has lost his marbles somewhere between the Pershing Gulf War
and the descent of the angels.
 
Love,
Xenu
 
"Lead, follow, or borrow $7 billion from the government."
                                    - Lee I. A. Coca
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:14:49 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

: Let's see, Bush became VP under Reagan in 1980 right? Lessee, the Iran-Iraq
: war began in October 1980. Nope, Bush wasn't in office (and clearly didn't
: know anything about it either :).
: 
: Republiclone slime. Eat shit and die.

'tis people like this that give liberals a bad name....

--
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Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.194150.11380@dg-rtp.dg.com> gross@monarch.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.200750.23511@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger) writes:
>>
>>I understand what you are saying, but let's be honest: if we bulldozed
>>Iraqi solders off the front lines when it was just as easy to capture them
>>as prisoners of war, then are we really deserving of the moral high ground
>>in the war?  Is it the kind of behavior that merits praise and ticker tape
>>parades?  
>
>Have you ever been in combat!?  If not, then let me tell you key
>observation that I came away with after two years of combat.  If the
>sucker on the other side is shooting at you, shoot back, bomb him,
>strafe him, in short, do everything you can to take him out!!

No, I thankfully have never been in combat, and I doubt I'd make a very good
soldier.  I understand why we might have bulldozed soldiers, as it is part
of war.  It happens, it is ugly, and somethimes it is necessary.  What I'm
trying to understand is how do we judge a person's actions during combat?  
What were the alternatives that he/she faced?  And, what can we say about a 
person's character based on the decision that was made?

In general, I do believe that in war "anything goes" and that you do what you
must.  But when the war is over, I feel that it *is* appropriate to look back
and try to assess the decisions that were made, and try to determine if they
were in fact the best ones to make.  If they weren't (from a tactical or from
a humane end) then I feel it is appropriate to criticize.  I certainly do not
think that just *any* act of war is worthy of glorification and depiction as
heroism merely because it was an act of war.

When we ultimately won Desert Storm, could we really look at ourselve and 
say that we were better people?  Were we less brutal?  Did we have more
riteous claims to be involved?  Did we really have cause to celebrate?  I'm
not so sure...

>Nice and civilized isn't what it is about.  Killing is what it is about.
>As long as our troops were at risk, then the actions taken to bury the
>defenders of the trenches in said trenches is certainly a viable option.
>Further, if the burial of these soldiers (don't forget that that is what
>we are talking about -- soldiers), resulted in fewer losses on our side
>that is all the more reason to do it.
>

Then why didn't we nuke them and get it over with?  What a bonus, 100% Iraqi
casulties and 0% American casulties.  That's what it is about, right?  right?

-Bob
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Study on Sustainable Energy Future and Jobs To Be Released Oct. 5
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:34:42 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct5.180056.12170@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.135339.13025@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (Class Guest3) writes:
>>
>>	Raise the gasoline tax!  Even with a $0.50 increase per gallon,
>>we'd still have the cheapest gas in the Western world.
> 
> Though $.50 a gallon less cheap than we have now. No advantage America.
> 
> Perhaps we should extend this thought. 
> 
> We have the lowest income tax in the Western world, we could raise it
> to 89% and still be less than Britian. No advantage America.
> 

Wow! What a system you yanks have. You could pay 89% tax and still pay less
than 40%!!! What technology! What arithmetic! Magic!


And you can talk from both ends!

;-)

Brendan

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:04:42 GMT


Those "human beings" massacred civilians in Kuwait.  The invasion was
unprovoked.  When I read about what the Iraqi troops were doing to the
civilian population, my sympathies wore thin quickly.

You know, we could have used nuclear weapons--the 42 day war would have
been a 30-minute war, and the Iraqis killed wouldn't have suffered-1 million
degree heat does that.  But our policy wouldn't have allowed that--it's amazing
the things our technology with allow us to do that our policy prohibits us
from carrying out.
Simon
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16797 talk.politics.misc:48038 talk.environment:3941
From: mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Energy Policy (II)
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:02:37 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

> dleblanc@kub.nl (David Leblanc) writes:
> >
> >Of course there are many reasons for the decline in Canada's oil
> >imports (advertising, utility sponsered conversion programs, better
> >building standards, etc.) but the overwhelming reason is clearly the
> >price of gas and oil in Canada. I have to wonder if gas-guzzlers would
> >be quite so popular in the US with gas at $2+ per gallon (which would
> >still be cheap compared to most of the developed world).
> 
> One big difference between the U.S. and Canada is toll booths ... up
> north, we have (I think) only five over the whole country (that may be
> an old figure, since the ones over Le Pont Victoria Bridge closed a
> few years ago).  The only one that I can name is on the Lions Gate
> Bridge in Vancouver (often seen in background shots of Fox Network's
> "The Heights") ... US$2-3 in tolls per trip probably balance out the
> higher price of Canadian gasoline quite nicely (dealing with a toll
> booth for the first time was a cross-cultural experience for me).
> 
> gld
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Gary L. Dare				
> > gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> > gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)

 
I feel impelled to add that the gas up in Canada - B.C., anyway, is 
green - and a powerful green at that.  My motorbike, which usually tops 
out at 127, climbed to 138.  
 

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us
 
- A warning to anyone, still in command...
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: nlns@igc.apc.org (New Liberation News Service)
Subject: A WORD ABOUT BIAS...
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:25:33 GMT

/* Written 10:23 pm  Oct  1, 1992 by nlns in cdp:alt.news-media */
/* ---------- "A WORD ABOUT BIAS..." ---------- */
This is from the editorial box of a progressive student newspaper at MIT,
*The Thistle*. They can be reached at <thistle@athena.mit.edu>.

A Word About Bias
	This newspaper is biased. Bias is not a deplorable state; rather
it is a human condition. People are biased in all that they speak and
write. The words or euphamisms we use, the actions we choose to report
on and those we relegate to the "unnewsworthy" file, are expressions of
our bias. In this culture, the term "unbiased" is misused to mean the
viewpoint of the majority. The danger arises when the mainstream begins
to label opposing viewpoints as being biased and thus somehow less
accurate, academically uncredible, and socially unacceptable. In this
way, the unstated biases of the majority have the greatest influence on
the readership. Since most Americcans want to be in the know and part of
a larger group, if not part of the mainstream, we tend to accept the
majority's "unbiased" opinion as the truth, while ignoring those minority
opinions labelled as "biased."
	We feel that an openly stated viewpoint is a more equitable
position to hold. It informs the reader that the human who is presenting
this information has an outlook on the world which may color the presentation.
This stand is an honest one, which is the most we may hope for.
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY Technologies
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:35:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>                            FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
>          
>               For decades, the various energy companie$ have been 
>          COLLUDING with each other, [and probably also with the 
>          national and international banker$, governments, news media, 
>          "scientific" establishment, and "education" systems], to 
>          successfully ignore or even SUPPRESS several kinds of "FREE-
>          Energy" technology.  Government intervention is needed to 
>          stimulate research, development, and mass production of these 
>          technologies. 

[discussion of Coriolis and electrical technologies skipped]

>               Many conventional energy producer$ would go out of 
>          bu$ine$$, but society as a whole would benefit greatly.  It 
>          is the People that government should serve, rather than the 
>          big corporation$ and bank$. 
>          
>
>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
>
>
>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>                                   B.S., Physics, UW-EC

Not one single word about The Pill That Turns Water Into Gasoline.

You must be an agent of the House of Rockefeller.

Well, you can't fool me!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

:->


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore Misusing Federal Computer Network Resources
Date: 28 Sep 1992 05:47:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Once we kick the political groups off the NSF backbone, maybe we
ought to address their abuse of the Federally funded Interstate
Highway system. Not to mention political activists at the state
level, whose use of the state-regulated telephone system for
political communication is also a clear conflict of interest.
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: NLNS: ANTI-RACIST SKINHEADS
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:00:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:9210031439.AA12005@igc.apc.org:-881972294:cdp:1296500397:000:124
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  4 14:00:00 1992



Steve, great news. now you are going to denounce LaRouche for his
campaign of street violence in 1973-75, right?
-Chip :-)
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17015 alt.desert-storm:1835 alt.politics.clinton:8097
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:43:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>>>Or are you suggesting that we should have stopped shooting at them
>>>altogether?  In that case they could have sat there for the next year.

>>Where would they go ?

>They could have surrendered.

Some of them did.

Maybe others tried and were shot in the back as they ran towards the lines.

Perhaps if the war had been honestly covered, we would have seen this on
our televisions. How many cameras were on the front, operated by military
people, little Kodaks and their like ? Some day, we'll know the truth. It
can't be concealed forever.

Eventually, I expect that we will, and attitudes like yours will wither
away. I, for one, will be happy to see a few less smug, self-righteous
people rejoicing at the death of other people.

-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: DIR/REG
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:04:39 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

McElroy posts a lengthy article:

From: Eugene McElroy <emcelroy>
Subject: Anglo-Saxon Ethnocentrism

a partial source of colonialism and counterinsurgency...

                   ANGLO-SAXON EHTNOCENTRISM:
                  ITS ROOTS AND CONSEQUENCES IN
         NORTHERN IRELAND AND THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES

                       by Cecilia A. Karch


[lengthy text deleted; see original]

I am curious as to the purpose behind the posting of this article.  Do
you have a particular dislike of people of Scotch-Irish background?
Do you really think the white South is  ethnically homogenous?  I would
remind you that there are many in the South of French, German and
Spanish (Spanish from original land grant holders).

From the tone of the article, I would guess that neither you nor
Cecilia Karch have spent much time in the South.  Her report of the
South reads about like my report would read if I made a trip to the
South Sea Islands and then tried to play Margaret Mead.  It is very
surface oriented and not very accurate in its observations.  Of course
one might suspect this from her basic idea of trying to compare the
South with Northern Ireland.

Somehow she also forgot to mention the large and prosperous Catholic
population in parts of the South.  New Orleans and much of Lousiana,
the heart of the South, is very Catholic and has always related quite
well with its more protestant neighbors.

Then there are some statements that seem plain ludicrous, such as:
"American Civil War, with memories of Reconstruction, gave birth to and
maintained a 'Lost Cause' mentality, a regional inferiority
complex with defensive psychological manifestations."

The South is so inferior that there has been a major political and
economic shift towards the South and Southwest for quite a few years
now.  This is not said to denigrate the North; just to say that the
South doesn't really have much of a complex.  In fact, all three 
major political contenders for the Presidency claim to come from the
South, and two of them, Perot and Clinton, actually do.  The third
one, GHWB, claims to be a Texan, but if he's a Texan, I'm from Kashmir.

And other statements:
      " Drinkinng regulations and recreation on Sunday are
legislated against in both sections--" [the South and Ireland].  What
recreation are you thinking about anyway?

Seriously, now, seriously.

Joe Gaut 
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16960 talk.politics.misc:48694
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Center for Policy Alternatives Reacts to Bush Family Leave Veto
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:08:57 GMT
	<1992Sep25.140826.27529@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
	<1992Sep30.090259.10319@uumeme.chi.il.us>
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us's message of Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:02:59 GMT

Someone wrote:

   >While I support family leave, I have to wonder at the validity of
   > a poll that surveys 200 men and extrapolates to the entire U.S.
   >population.  Sheesh!  Don't you love statistics?
   
Bruce Maynard writes:

   Always! Personally, I've always felt that you couldn't get a
   reasonable sampling for a nationwide poll unless you had at least
   100 from each state... What'd these clowns do, interview 4 from each
   state, or just go to New York and grab people and postulate that Nuke
   York speaks for the nation?

A lot of people with training in statistics and social sciences spend
all their time trying to perfect sampling techniques for polling and
other purposes.  The focus of their effort is to find the best match
between the sample and the general population.  You'll notice that
electoral poll results are seldom far off, when votes are counted.  I
don't know why the above posters assume that polls are done haphazardly;
a lot of money rides on their accuracy.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: gross@monarch.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:41:50 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Sep25.200750.23511@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger) writes:
>In article <Bv57CD.DzK@mail.boi.hp.com> rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:
>>anouther's agression.  In this vain, I throw my lot with the previous
>>posters - war is indeed hell and if you must fight it can't be halfway.
>>Any agressor or agressor's apologist who denounces the cruelty or 
>>unfairness of an enemy's tactics doesn't get any sympathy here - "Welcome
>>to the working week!".  If some Iraqis were buried alive in the heat
>>of combat, they can thank Mr. Hussein for that.  The allies were only 
>>doing what anyone at war is attempting to do.  Win.  And hopefully with 
>>the fewest number of casualties to your own troops.  The enemy cannot be
>>a concern.
>>
>
>I understand what you are saying, but let's be honest: if we bulldozed
>Iraqi solders off the front lines when it was just as easy to capture them
>as prisoners of war, then are we really deserving of the moral high ground
>in the war?  Is it the kind of behavior that merits praise and ticker tape
>parades?  

Have you ever been in combat!?  If not, then let me tell you key
observation that I came away with after two years of combat.  If the
sucker on the other side is shooting at you, shoot back, bomb him,
strafe him, in short, do everything you can to take him out!!

Nice and civilized isn't what it is about.  Killing is what it is about.
As long as our troops were at risk, then the actions taken to bury the
defenders of the trenches in said trenches is certainly a viable option.
Further, if the burial of these soldiers (don't forget that that is what
we are talking about -- soldiers), resulted in fewer losses on our side
that is all the more reason to do it.

If you don't like this, that's your problem.  No one likes it in
wartime, least of all the soldiers doing the fighting.  But unless
you've been there, you really don't know what you are talking about.  It
is purely theory for you.  No emotional baggage to carry around.  Some
of us aren't so lucky.  We don't view things from the safety of academia
or the student union.  We've had to slog it out -- knowing that the next
grenage, the next booby-trap, the next bullet, the next..... just might
have your name on it.

Regards,

Gene Gross 
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,news.admin
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore Misusing Federal Computer Network Resources
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:17:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Sep28.110549.15228@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>Interesting concept. Perhaps we should just allow every political
>organization in the country on the Internet, "for the good of the
>people" naturally. Including, naturally, groups like the NRA, Operation
>Rescue, and a whole slew of other groups. Hell, even Earth First could
>get on the 'net so they can plot tree-spiking.

I'll note that the Internet reaches a lot more than the "country", but I'll
pass on driving home the point that this is an international network
because I see that someone else has beaten me to it.

There is nothing to prevent the NRA, Operation Rescue, and "a whole slew
of other groups" from getting on the Internet, Usenet or any other network
providing that they adhere to the rules of whichever network(s) they choose
to join, and providing that they can pay the bill.  For example, you might
find a scan of the Usenet "maps" quite interesting, as it will reveal that
numerous groups with sociopolitical agendas are already out there.

---Rsk
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: NLNS: ANTI-RACIST SKINHEADS
Date: 4 Oct 1992 09:56:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Did anybody here READ this??? What is being described here, with apparent
approval, is the custom of beating people up for expressing racist
opinions. Sure racism is wrong, and people who express racist opinions
are fools, at best. But if we say it's O.K. to beat people up over it
then how can we squawk if some other ideological gang wants to beat US up 
our deviant views. Once ideological street violence becomes an accepted
custom, the first amendment might as well be toilet paper.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton