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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (El Burro Grande)
Subject: POLL: More votes please
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:13:35 GMT


Hi,

I have received quite a lot of answers on my poll now. The problem is that most of them are from USA, Canada, Australia, England, Finland and India. I would like to have more votes from specially Africa (only one so far - from South Africa), South America (only two), more from Asia and Europe (and Scandinavia - only the Finns have responded yet).


The rules:
Reply to this post with the five team sports you think are largest in your home country/ the country you live in and also note what country.

 With large I mean you should consider the sports that got most coverage in media and not with the most performer. You should also consider the national league coverage rather than national team.

With team sport I mean a sport that is performed on an arena of some kind with two teams. I don't consider the kind of sports there you can have teams meeting the others teams on an individual basis, for example as in table tennis.

I will leave up to your own judgement on sports I don't know about. Included in this post a list of sports I consider being suitable - but your free to include other sports.

Since people in the same country will have different opinions on which sports are the largest in their country I will make an average list for all countries. 

Hopefully this will give some kind of indication on which sports are the most world spread and end all the flaming discussions on this issue.

Deadline will be 30/8, replies after that won't be considered. please also don't include too long comments.

Here's my list for Sweden:

1. Football (soccer)
2. Ice Hockey
3. Bandy
4. team Handball
5. Basketball

(I don't consider volleyball since the national league coverage is very small though the natioanl team received much more coverage than the basketball national team lately. Of course other Swedes probably have anothet opinion.
Bandy is a sport that is very popular in Sweden, Finland and Russia. Shortly it can be described as a combination of Field Hockey and football played on ice.)

List of suitable sports:
Football (also rugby, american, australian, gaelic etc.)
Hockey (Ice, Field, Roller)
Polo (water, Horse)
Handball
Volleyball
Bandy (also indoor)
Baseball, Softball, Cricket, Boboll
Basketball
Freesby
Lacrosse
Underwater rugby

This  is all I can think of now. Must be more so don't mind if your soport isn't included.


John Dryselius

Reply to: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:43:10 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Aug11.095144.3402@sdf.lonestar.org> thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:

>Ok, now that we've all seen the new mascot for Atlanta 1996, what is YOUR
>opinion of the Whatizit?  Quite honestly, my first reaction was "Gawd no!"

>Just my opinion, you know.

Have a heart will ya, we here in Atlanta were really stuck when it came to
picking a mascot.  Sam the Eagle had already been taken by the LA games.
The major thing this area is known for are peaches and peanuts.  If you
thought Whatizit is bad, can you imagine a dancing peanut or a peach with
legs.

I guess we could have had a smiling Jimmy Carter, but the olympics are
4 years away, and Jimmy had started to get pretty old after 4 years the
last time around.

The symbol for Atlanta is the pheonix.  (Sort of a jab at General Sherman's
urban renewal program.)  But I suppose the organizers would have had
a tough time getting the requisite bunsen burners past the fire marshalls.

Cheers y'all.

>-- 
>-
>---
-- 
--Mark

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From: europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik)
Subject: Re: Age-rule (Was Re: Kim Zmeskal)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:58:16 GMT

From article <1992Aug17.115015.366@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, by wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor):
>> It just seems a
>>shame that athletes who could have been, and wanted to be, the best in
>>the world were not, simply because they didn't start when they were
>>young enough.  But I don't think the age limit is a solution.
> 
> Perhaps a fair solution would be to have several gymnastic sections; divided
> by age; just as boxing and weightlifting are divided by weight ?

Oh, great. Then we could have girls gymnastics and womens gymnastics.
Then we could add boys shot put and mens shot put, and, and ,,,...
No.... I don't think it would work. And it wouldn't be politicaly
correct either.

Ron Capik
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From: prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash Panangaden)
Subject: Re: More favorite/!favorite moments..
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:06:09 GMT

In article <Aug.11.12.37.04.1992.10408@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.132433.4546@cs.mcgill.ca>, Prakash Panangaden writes:
>
>> The smile may be artificial but the sport is real.  Just try to invert
>> yourself underwater and keep your leg up in the air for 15 seconds
>> using only the power of your hands.
>
>But why would I want to do this?

So that the brains might trickle back into place.
From: europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Gymnastics: Instant Replay for Judging
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:51:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Aug19.172851.5130@athena.mit.edu>, by raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok):
> In article <claypool.714228548@myria> claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:
>>>>>>   - The judges should have access to instant replay before scoring.
>>>> Well, perhaps we could do something like this:
>>>> [ Idea for replay use deleted. ]
>>
>>> I keep thinking about my typical day of judging, and just can't
>>> imagine any way this could work. 
>>> My typical judging day is something like this:
>>> [ Long, cold, typical day deleted. ]
>>
> And it's rarely 10 below in the gym :-)

I never said judging experience in my sport would translate
directly to gymnastics. Oh, but to think of a panel of judges
for each event (apperatus) AND it's rarely 10 below in the gym.
Nervana! I think I should change sports.    :-)

One point no one has raised is the cost of this high tech instant
vidio system. With out some exotic playback loop, I'd expect each
judge would need 3 VCRs and a monitor all linked to the three cameras.
Reviewing three views of a vault could be done quickly, but what
about floor exercise?

Then you need to work out the mechanics of the score procedure.
Would each judge do an independent review, or would it be that
if a video review is requested by any judge then all judges must
review the run. Another way would be in the event of a confilct.
If the scores are out by more than 0.xx that a review is required.

Now we raise the question of video review protests. ie: My run
was not reviewd and I would have gotten a higher score if they
reviewed it... I saw it on my coach's video etc.
Lots of details. Lots and lots of details. 

>>  What do judges make, anyway?

What's a judge worth?

>>I read it!
> me too!
Not only did I read it... I wrote it.       =)

Ron Capik  at Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ
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From: mitch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Mitch Collinsworth)
Subject: Re: Whatizit? Coca Cola is it!
Organization: Program of Computer Graphics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:11:47 GMT

>Didn't someone name himself or his child or whatever "Cokeisit" and got
>sued?

I believe Bill Koch's (US cross country ski team) father did this as a stunt
several years ago when all the media kept mispronouncing their name.  The
correct pronunciation is the same as the drink, but the media made them sound
like relatives of a famous New York City mayor.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@graphics.cornell.edu
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: responses to various items...
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:30:36 GMT

In article <BILLW.92Aug12235622@regal.cisco.com> billw@regal.cisco.com (William ) writes:
>
>    Also, although I do not know about this, perhaps the men do not have
>    enough difficulty to be judged from a ten.  Perhaps their Code of
>    Points (the rulebook) is more appropriate.
>
>I don't know whether this is still true, but as of 1981, a perfect men's
>gymnastics routine was worth less than a 10.  (I think it was worth 9.4 or

[stuff deleted]

>will depend on the level of the competition and such.  I don't recall
>whether women had a similar item in their code of points...
>
>BillW

Women have a similar system, but I do not know what the base score it
(9.4 I think).  Most women usually have sufficient difficulty in their
routines to be scored from a 10.

Rachele
From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:36:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

> After one report, in which this gentleman was in an even faster mode than
> normal, after returning to the studio, Bob Costas, just sat there for
> a second, with a stuned look on his face, he then said.
> 
> "Next time try the de-caf."

After another Bud Collins report, done in his inimitable Bud Collins manner,
they cut back to Bob Costas, who grinned, and said (to the effect),
"That was Bud Collins, never failing to amuse himself."

I like Bud Collins; he's certainly got a lot of personality. . . .

Dean Cashen
-- Boise
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Re: Chinese athlets
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:10:38 GMT

In article <92214.105606U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Why? Because she is surely to be tested since she broke the world record? :-)
> Pepole are not used to Chinese winning swimming today, they wiil be tomorrow.

I saw several good reasons given as to why.  First, it takes more than 4 years
to train that kind of competence in a swimmer (and the Chinese were nowhere 4
years ago); second, everything going on there parallels what happened in East
Gernmany a decade before, and third, the same coaches and trainers are involved
as were involved in the East German team.
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Red Eye Olympic Watching
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:38:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <BsvyKv.308@world.std.com> htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug5.210311.9319@mdd.comm.mot.com> wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes (in part):
>>I agree that some
>>commentators aren't as smooth as the NBC ones, and they aren't as 
>>knowledgeable, but they don't try to fake it. (O.J. Simpson doing track?
>No, OJ isn't faking it.  He used to be a sprinter in his college days, and 
>has been covering track for years on ABC.

	If I'm not mistaken, he was on a world record relay team at one time.

	Still doesn't change the fact that he's a rotten commentator....


-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: More favorite/!favorite moments..
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:05:58 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <1992Aug11.220502.14091@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug10.132433.4546@cs.mcgill.ca>, Prakash Panangaden writes:
|> >
|> >> The smile may be artificial but the sport is real.  Just try to invert
|> >> yourself underwater and keep your leg up in the air for 15 seconds
|> >> using only the power of your hands.
|> 
|> You try juggling 9 balls or 7 flaming torches.  Do you think juggling
|> deserves to be an Olympic sport?  You try...
|> 
|> 	Drinking a 24 pack without puking
|> 	Driving a car on two wheels
|> 	Doing 1000 pushups
|> 	Debugging 50K lines of COBOL
|> 	Making a really good chicken vindaloo
|> 	Writing a novel
|> 	Training a cat
|> 
|> All of these are hard.  Some of these are athletic.  All require
|> skill. 
|> 
|> C Frog

I don't think skill and effort are the only criteria for choosing
a sport for the Olympics. However, you are entitled to do some of
the above things as you compete.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
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From: somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Reply-To: somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:17:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.031731.18598@cis.ohio-state.edu>, akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>This may be completely wrong, but from what I understand, the body
>needs cholesterol to properly fire synapse.  Consequently, if
>one has too low of a cholesterol count it can physiologically
>affect one's mental state.
>

Your statement is not wrong, but the implication is.  You need
cholesterol, but you do not need to *eat* any cholesterol.  In
fact, a major cause of "high cholesterol" is eating too much
saturated fat which stimulates production of cholesterol. I
wouldn't worry too much whether you have enough cholesterol
to think clearly. ;-)  

Please keep in mind that what is reported in the popular press,
recomendations made by AMA and AHA, and even the research done
is largely based on the position that fat is desirable and that
Americans are unwilling to eat less than about 30% fat under
any circumstances.

This leads to us to say things like: It seems you can eat all
the fat you want as long as you drink alcohol (oh how nice!), or
that cyclists and runners should drink peanut oil for endurance,
or that it doesn't matter what you eat because if you run marathons or
ride centuries you cannot have heart disease.

Studies of primitive peoples who's diet consists of about 10% fat,
10% protein, and 80% carbohydrates show that not only are they
free of the diseases that kill Americans and have endurance that
puts us to shame, but they generally have a serum cholesterol level
of 100 plus their age, rarely *exceeding* 160!  It does not seem
to have any adverse effects -- they live long healthy lives.

People don't want to hear too much of this though, because the only
way to do it is radically change your diet, going against culture
and some powerful food industries. 

I can provide details, references, etc. 
and argue till I'm blue, but it will have little impact.  Just do what the
beef board and the AHA tell you, they really care about you and
wouldn't do anything to mislead you.  I think the Tobacco Foundation
could probably come up with a study showing that steak is O.K. for
dinner as long as you smoke a cigarette with your glass of wine. ;-)

--
Garth Somerville
somerville@bae.ncsu.edu
From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: responses to various items...
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:30:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Aug15.003733.14888@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik) writes:

>> can explain it well enough. Just one comment regarding the men's vs.
>> the women's scores. I think the bottom line is that the men's judges 
>> were just more strict and also paid less attention to who was performing
>> and more attention to what was being performed.
>
>Some how I don't like the under tone of thes statement. This little
>red light went off in my head when I read it.
>  The MEN's judges and the WOMEN's judges? Ouch! You mean in gymnastics
>the men's and women's point systems are so different that they have
>totally different judges?
>Do women judge the women, and men judge the men? From the NBC coverage

The men's and women's point systems are not that different... the
reason there is a different set of judges is because, in actuality,
they are different sports.  There is not one apparatus that is
completely identical between them.  It is not because of the point
system that there are different judges, but because a person can be
expert in one field and know little about the other.  

For the most part women judge women and men judge men, but it is not
for sexist reasons.  The vast majority of judges were former gymnasts.
For instance, take Nadia.  She obviously is knowledgeable about
women's gymnastics.  By extension she of course knows much more about
men's than the average person, but she is an expert in women's
gymnastics.  For this reason she has a better chance at being a judge
for women, and she also probably has a greater interest in judging
women.

I have seen, though, women judging men and vice versa (the vice versa
is more common, imho), so there definitely is no restriction.  

Rachele
From: wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who won the Men's Marathon?
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:39:03 GMT
Organization: KAIST

claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:
> >	It seems nobody posted as to who won the mens
> >	marathon? 
> 
> 1. Hwang Young-Cho, South Korea  2:13:23
> 2. Koichi Morishita, Japan	 2:13:45
> 3. Stephan Freigang, Germany 	 2:14:00
> 
> An interesting note: The last time South Korea won the marthon, was
> Berlin, 1936.  But then, they were forced to run under the Japanese
> flag wearing Japanese uniforms.  Since then, the Koreans had not
> scored higher than 4th place in the men's marathon.  It was also
> Japan's first marthon medalist since 1964.
What is more interesting is that it was the same day as Korean 
Son, KiJeong won the gold in Berlin.
--
    ********                
   *  *******         Wongyu Cho
 **  **               Computer Science Dept.
*** *** *** ***       Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology 
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From: behrooz@cps.msu.edu ()
Subject: 96 Olympic tickets.
Originator: behrooz@cpss1.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:19:38 GMT

Hello all,
  I was wondering when is the best time to start looking for 
  tickets for the next olympics.  How are they sold? Do you buy tickets
  to watch a specific team or do you have to get it for a specific game
  and hope your favorate team is not eliminated? 
  Thanks,
From: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Most number of medals!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:38:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Aug12.163832.22193
Reply-To: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

Does anyone know who won the most number of medals in following
events. 

1.	Track & Field
2.	Gymnastics ( Men and women)
3.	Swimming   (Men and women)
4.	Diving
5.	Tennis
6.	Wrestling
7.	Shooting
8.	Fencing
9.	Cycling
10.	Canoeing
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: A Sport I WANT to See (was Re: Synchronized Swimming)
Keywords: New games
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <1992Aug11.174214.28269@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
|> (Bruce Morgan) writes:
|> >Someone said:
|> >>>In response to my assertion that synchronized swimming is not a sport
|> >>>(which it isn't) and that it's stupid (which it is.)
|> >
|> >>swimmers leap out of the water like dolphins, through hoops suspended 2 or 3
|> >
|> >Why not introduce dolphins. After all we have horses now.
|> >Come to think of it, what about pidgeon and greyhound racing.
|> >
|> >Can't be worse than the proposal to have frisbee throwing at the
|> >1996 games.
|> >
|> >
|> >\  John Newman                Internet: J.Newman@qmcc.curtin.edu.au      /
|> 
|> Frisbee?  Geesh.
|> 
|> With all this talk about idiotic 'sports' at the Games, I was curious as to
|> why there is a big summer sport that's not considered.  In addition to the
|> laughable sync.swimming and rhythmic gymnastics, medals are awarded for 
|> the valid competitions of kayaking and yachting.
|> 
|> WHY NO WATER SKIING!!!!!!
|> 
|> At least there are national and world championships held in this SPORT every
|> year.  It doesn't make sense.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> *************************************************************************
|> GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "That haircut of yours might be city-style,
|> GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
|> James Clyde     LSU '91   |             -- Briscoe Darlin, T.A.G.S.

Hey! Computer games! That's it. The judges will be the athletes.
They can be given joysticks to score. I've heard that the boxing judges
have to enter their scores within a second after the chief judge enters
his/hers. A fire button and a joystick.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

 
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From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:15:12 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug11.141333.2098@brandonu.ca> rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:
>I have been reading with interest the debate over the arrogance of US 
>athletes compared to others.  True, there are a few American athletes
>who have a slight ego (Lewis, Johnson, Torrence); several other countries
>do as well.  
>
Let's not forget Linford Chrstie (sp?) who said if they elected
Kings in the UK, he would win...they love me...etc.  (Sorry, couldn't
resist).  But, you expect top athletes to be somewhat arrogant.  If
they don't have self-confidence, they aren't going to perform at their
best.  It's how they balance the internal and external manifestations
of this self-confidence that makes them "likeable" or "food-for-this-
group".

>However, in my opinion, it is not the athletes in the USA that have a
>ego problem, it is the American media, especially NBC.  They are so
>one-sided in their coverage, it is unbelievable.  If an American does
>
I commented on this before but - basicly I agree.  But, NBC shows what
has gotten ratings before and that's US, US, US.

>I do not critize Americans for being proud of their country, but the
>television coverage should reflect the Olympic spirit, not the American
>ego!  Must every event be preceded by a music video?
>
>One more point before I get blasted by all of you, why does NBC think
>everyone watching are idiots?  Do they really believe we think their
>coverage is "live"?  Our home-country coverage would show the results

I really didn't notice this.  Many times these events are recorded live
so when Bob Costas says "Let's go live to..." it is actually live at
that time.  When it is broadcast 9 hours later it is shown as is.
If they are trying to give the "feel" of a live broadcast and are
trying to dupe the viewing audience then they are idiots.


douge@antares.tymnet.com          "It's not where you've been,
				   it's where you're going."  - Chris Mullin