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From: stearns@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tim Stearns)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mandolin Brothers/Santa Cruz guitars
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:17:45 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab


To: neverisk@trintex.uucp
Subject: Re: Mandolin Brothers/Santa Cruz guitars
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk

In rec.music.folk you write:


>	Over the recent holidays, I indulged myself and made the 2+ hour drive
>to Staten Island, NY and that meca of catalog guitar sales: Mandolin Brothers.

>	This was my first experience with the products of the SCGC.  I also
>played an Indian and Brazilian SC OM, as well as an FS.  Again, the "cheaper"
>mahogany OM (at $2100), made the best impression.

I have played many SCGC guitars over the last 5 years, and have found
them to be one of the best new guitars made.  They are remarkably
consistent - every Tony Rice model that I have played (10?) has been
truly excellent.  Mandolin Brothers seems to have one of the largest
collections of SCGCs, both new and used.  SCGC must have a relatively
strict pricing policy, as Mandolin Brothers and Elderly Instruments
have about the same prices, whereas Elderly is cheaper for most
other things.  
I don't have as much experience with the OM models that SCGC and
Collings (and many others now - you might want to check out Schoenberg
guitars, for example) make,  but the ones that I have played have
been great.  Although you can't get an old Martin OM for anything
near $2000, you can get an excellent 000 for less than that.  I recently
bought a 1946 000-21 that I love.  Of course, the neck is rather
chunky compared to a modern guitar, but I'm used to it.  Martin is
also making some excellent new guitars - I recently got a D-18V, which
is a reproduction of the 1930's D-18 with ebony fretboard and bridge,
and scalloped bracing.  Martin makes an OM-28 that runs about $1500
but I haven't seen one.  
You really can't go wrong with a SCGC, but do look around - it's fun
after all!

Tim Stearns
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 JAN 93 11:02:53    


Some I've come across:

"Boulder to Birmingham" by Emmylou Harris.  Critic Robert Christgau mentioned
that the line "rock my soul in the bosom of Abraham" sounded like "rub my
asshole..." to him.

"De Doo Da Da" by the Police.  A friend thought "their logic ties you up and
rapes you" was "that large chick ties you up and rapes you".

Oy Vey.


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From: watson@hg.uleth.ca (The terror that flaps in the night)
Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt & TV
Reply-To: watson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:06:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.043024.24359@sfu.ca>, clarkec@fraser.sfu.ca (David Gordon Clarke) writes:
>I was surprised to hear Loreena McKennitt's "Tango to Evora"
>closing off the last 4-5 minutes of tonight's (Jan 4, 93) episode
>of Northern Exposure...
>

Yah... I caught that too... :)   I'm not surprised... a lovely tune for a
lovely show.  Any show that chooses to accompany important closing scenes with
Eno/Cale or McKennitt tunes ranks way up there with me...

I'm waiting for the day when they throw in a bagpipe tune...  :)

- Carol
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: "I Come and Stand at Every Door"
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:28:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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OK. I checked my collection and found that the song
credited to Nazim Hikmet appears on:

Pete Seeger   Gazette, Vol. 2  from Folkways in 1961
(I forgot to write down the LP number)

Other songs on the same album include:

Tomorrow is a Highay (Hays/Seeger)
The Dying Miner (Guthrie)
Bourgeois Town (Ledbetter)
The Literacy Test Song (Hall)
Fayette County (Cunningham)
Peat Bog Soldiers
Hold the Line (Hays)
When a Fello is Out of a Job (Rogers)
The RAND Hymn (Reynolds)
The Crow and the Cradle (Carter)
The Easter Marchers (Brunner)
The Jack Ash Society (Brooks)
From: pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Maura O'Connells "Crazy Dreams"
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:38:38 GMT
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University
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In article <16295@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
>Subject: Maura O'Connells "Crazy Dreams"
>Date: 8 Jan 93 20:04:57 GMT
>The last tune the Maura did on ACL last weekend was a song that she said that
>she recorded a long time ago called "Crazy Dreams".  It was the highlight
>of the show.  Would someone know on which album the song was on and if someone
>has the lyrics I'd much appreciate a copy.

She has done a few Paul Brady songs.  Is this one of his?  I just picked up 
his compilation "Songs and Crazy Dreams" and was pleasantly surprised (
particularly after being so dissapointed with "Trick or Treat").  "Crazy 
Dreams" is the opening track, but I find it one of the weaker songs on a 
very good album. 

JGP
(pavlovij@ucs.orst.edu)
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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:54:40 GMT

In article <C0Hy4n.391@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>[ from a rec.arts.books thread on misheard song lyrics: I'm moving this to
>  rec.music.folk ]
>>> Back in high school we had a guy convinced that
>>>   I'm Your Venus           (Shocking Blue, I think)
>>> was I'm Your Penis and he couldn't figure out how they were playing that 
>>> on the radio.
>
>When I was about 9 a New Zealand hit was a song by (I think) Lonnie Donegan
>that started
>	Wake up, wake up darlin Cory
>	what makes you sleep so sound?
>	the revenue officers are comin
>	to tear your stillhouse down...
>
>Except that I heard the word "stillhouse" as "silk pants"...

There's a technical name for this sort of thing, coined by San Francisco
columnist Jon Carroll: "mondegreens".  The term is derived from some folky
ballad or other -- maybe someone will remember the actual reference?
-- which contains a line like "They have slain Lord <somebody> and
Lady Mondegreen."  (The actual line is "...laid him on the green.")

Other examples: the famous "gladly the cross-eyed bear," of course, and
his friend "Round John Virgin."  And then there's the Rolling Stones hit
"(I Don't Wanna be Your) Pizza Burnin'" ( == "Beast of Burden").

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From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:15:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.165318.27192@nmt.edu> al@nmt.edu (Al Stavely) writes:
>Someone (I think it was Michael Cooney) used to swear that he once
>heard a child sing:
>
>		"The ants are my friends, they're blowing in the wind..."

A high school friend of mine used to sing that great Lennon/McCartney tune ...

"Dear sir or madam, will you read my book?
It took me years to write, will you take a look?
It's based on a novel by a man named Mear
And I need a job, so I wanna see you
Take the back right turn,
Take the back right turn!

Taaaaake the baaaaack riiiiiight turrrn (taaake the baaack riight turrrn) ..."

Chuck
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From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Grammy nominations for folkish music
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:32:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1is61d$h3q@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>In article <1iq41uINNijq@hp-col.col.hp.com> judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) writes:
>#>krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans) writes:

>#>Can someone post some info and opinion about T Bone Burnett and his albums?

Once again, I get to put in a good word for T-Bone. You folkies, should pick
up the (1987?) album T-Bone Burnett for an example of acoustic texture
and songwriting(granted Tom Waits' song "Time" is included as well). Plenty
of guitar and dobro (Jerry Douglas) on this album. I'm a huge, perhaps,
obsessive fan for T-bone and have collected all the Alpha Band albums and
quite a few of T-Bone produced stuff( notably, Tom Petty, Tonio K. and 
Bruce COckburn's last album) He has quite a style..though some people
might not appreciate his vocal ability (texas nasal) I find it soothing
and striking. He's used effects for his voice recently so the comparisons
pop out in sources like John Lennon or Bob Dylan but I would say he's 
got his own style. I have a recorded interview with him and his singing
voice and speaking voice can be very similar. I do prefer some albums 
to others but each one has it's own moments..Buy 'em all. Truth Decay
is one I'd recommend first. It's as if Buddy Holly lived.

Benj
"there's a river of love that flows through all time."
-t-bone burnett
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Subject: Irish Music Festival at Snug Harbor
From: rmiller@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:28:42 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

Mark Your Calendars!

For Irish/Scottish music fans out there, make a note that in March, National
Public Radio will be broadcasting a St. Patrick's Day special "The Irish
Traditional Music Festival from Snug Harbor."  This is a two-hour broadcast
special featuring the finest Irish and Irish-American traditional musicians,
singers, and dancers in the U.S. and Ireland.  Recorded last June, 1992, at the
llth Annual Irish Traditional Music Festival at Snug Harbor, Staten Island, NY,
the broadcast version will feature excerpts of performances by the likes of
Johnny Cunningham, The Chanting House, Miko Russell (from Doolin, Co. Clare),
Mick Moloney, Eugene O'Donnell, & Seamus Egan; Liz Carroll, Billy McComiskey, &
Daithi Sproule; Andy McGann, Paddy Reynolds, Felix Dolan, Jack Coen, and a host
of other outstanding Irish musicians.  The program is hosted by Maura
O'Connell.

Call your local public radio station and request that they broadcast what looks
to be a promising program.  
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: coffee songs
Summary: And yet another one ...
Keywords: coffee songs Cajun French Beausoleil Doucet
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:32:29 GMT

And yet another addition to the list of coffee songs -- this one's in
Cajun French, and was written by Michael Doucet.  

Beausoleil's "Le Chanson du Cafe'":     ("The Coffee Song":)

Le matin apres me reveiller,            In the morning when I get up,
Avant que mes yeux sont laves,          Before my eyes are clear,
Je pense seulement a une chose,         I can only think of one thing,
Si ma femme a fait du cafe'.            If my wife has made some coffee.

[chorus]
Oh le cafe, mon ami,                    Oh coffee, my friend,
Cafe' brule', cafe' au lait,            Cafe' brule', cafe' au lait,
Cafe' noir, cafe' sucre',               Black coffee, sweetened coffee,   
Je peux pas vivre sans mon cafe'.       I can't live without my coffee.

Je verse du cafe' dans ma demitasse,    I pour some coffee in my demitasse,
Avec un peu du sucre et du Pet milk,    With a little sugar and some Pet milk,
Je berce et je bois tout le matin,      I rock and drink it all morning,
Apres jongler a un pousse-cafe'.        While thinking about a coffee chaser.

[chorus encore]

This terrific two-step can be heard on the album LIVE! FROM THE LEFT COAST
(Rounder Records 6035), by Beausoleil.

Doucet has commented at concerts:  "Some places have state birds, state
songs ... we have state coffee."

Community Coffee with Chicory, dark roast ... brewed ultra-strong, served
au lait -- with half coffee, half scalded milk.  Aaahhhhh ...

Chuck (Louisiana expatriate who's just gone off to the coffeepot)
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From: mcl24@cas.org (Marty Lindsey)
Subject: Re: Little Floyd Collins
Reply-To: mcl24@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:58:29 GMT


Floyd Collins was trapped on January 30, 1925, in a small limestone cave
known as Sand Cave in Barren County, Kentucky.  Floyd already owned a going
commercial cave, Crystal, which was in competition with then privately-owned
Mammoth Cave which was nearby.  Mammoth is between Crystal and the main
highway, so it captured most of the tourist trade.  Floyd was trying to find
either a new cave or a new entrance to Mammoth which would be closer to the
main highway.  Sand Cave's location made it perfect for Floyd's purpose.

In the most widely-accepted scenario of the entrapment, Floyd was crawling
out of the cave when his lantern tipped over and went out.  At that moment he
was wriggling through a body-tight tube with a loose rock in the ceiling.
Thinking he was past this rock he gave a kick to help move himself through the
tube, bringing the rock down upon his ankle.  He could not move the rock with
his legs, and due to the confining shape of the passage he could not reach the
rock with his hands.  His struggles just brought more rock and dirt down around
him.

Floyd was eventually located and a rescue effort begun.  It was impossible for
anyone to get at the rock which had Floyd's leg pinned, although a few people
were able to reach him, talk to him and feed him.  A cub reporter from the
Louisville _Courier-Journal_, William "Skeets" Miller, interviewed Floyd in the
passage, came as close as anyone to rescuing Floyd, and won the 1926 Pulitzer
Prize for his reporting.

To make a long story short, a cave-in above Floyd closed the passageway to
rescuers and work on a rescue shaft began.  The digging was agonizingly slow,
and Floyd was not reached until February 16, by which time he was dead.  The
cave was sealed with Floyd's body remaining inside.

Later that year his body was removed from Sand Cave and buried outside his own
Crystal cave.  Crystal was later sold by Floyd's father to an unscrupulous
businessman who dug poor Floyd up and placed his body in a glass-covered coffin
inside Crystal.  Tourists came in droves to tour Crystal Cave and view the
body.

In 1963 the National Park Service bought Crystal Cave (now known as Floyd
Collins' Crystal Cave) and closed it to the public.  Floyd's body remained in
the cave, which became the center of cave exploration in the area.  In 1972,
in what is sometimes called the Mount Everest of cave exploration, Crystal
Cave was proven to be connected with Mammoth Cave.  The surveyed length of the
system was then 172 miles, the longest cave in the world.  Today the system
has over 300 surveyed miles of passage and is still the world's longest.

A couple of years ago Floyd's body was removed from Crystal Cave and reinterred
at the Mammoth Cave Baptist Church cemetery.

No wonder someone wrote a song about him...

For the authoritative story of Floyd Collins, read _Trapped!_ by Roger W.
Brucker and Robert K. Murray.  It contains the lyrics to "The Death of Floyd
Collins," which I can post tomorrow.

Marty

Marty Lindsey
mcl24@cas.org
From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Grammy nominations for folkish music
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:05:13 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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Here are some of the folk-related Grammy award nominations.
From today's Detroit Free Press:

CONTEMPORARY FOLK ALBUM:
  "Play Me Backwards", Joan Baez
  "The Criminal Under My Own Hat", T Bone Burnett
  "Another Country", The Chieftains
  "Rites of Passage", Indigo Girls
  "Arkansas Traveller", Michelle Shocked

WORLD MUSIC ALBUM:
  "Gipsy Kings Live", Gipsy Kings
  "Kirya", Ofra Haza
  "Brasileiro", Sergio Mendes
  "Eyes Open", Youssou N'Dour
  "Americas", Strunz & Farah

In addition, "Shepherd Moons" by Enya is nominated in the New Age 
category.

Most of the mainstream nominations are available in an article over on
rec.music.misc.  I am *not* going to key in the entire list...

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From: jackson@JADE.UCDAVIS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Catfish Keith
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:29:55 GMT
Reply-To: jackson@JADE.UCDAVIS.EDU
Organization: Geology Department, University of California, Davis

Would someone who has seen Catfish Keith in concert post something about it?
What is he like?  What sort of music?  Where's he from?  Thanks, Hiram
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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John Prine actually recorded one of his lyrics as mangled.
I don't recall which one it was, but someone requested one
of his songs, giving the mangled lyric. So Prine sang it
that way on stage for a live recording.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
From: stearns@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tim Stearns)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mandolin Brothers/Santa Cruz guitars
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:20:35 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin) writes:

>Many people prefer the sound of mahogany over rosewood.  I would caution you
>that traditional OM's have a wide fingerboard (neck width at nut is around 1
>3/4"), which makes them more applicable for finger style as opposed to flat
>picking.  For the latter, a OOO shape guitar is very similar, but the neck
>is narrower and the string length is I believe a little longer.
>-- 
Actually, the scale length of an OM is longer - the same as a
dreadnought's.  The 000 is about 1/2 inch shorter.

Tim Stearns
stearns@socrates.ucsf.edu
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From: Gerry.Mulvenna@launchpad.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna)
Subject: Re: Wanted - music in Dublin area
Organization: The Queen's University of Belfast, Ireland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.084154.20723@yang.earlham.edu> edwardd@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>
>My brothers and I will be going to Ireland in August for a family
>reunion.  It's the first time any of us have traveled outside the country.
>Between the three of us we play concertina, whistle, banjo, fiddle
>and guitar.  We will be in the area of Dublin and Carlow for at least a
>week and would like to make good use of our time.
>
>So   anyone know of particularly neat places where we could go and
>listen/play/share good music?  I know this is like asking where to 
>find ham in a butcher shop, but personal reccomendations would be
>appreciated.

Well near Stephen's Green in Dublin there are two pubs worth a visit:

O'Donoghues is the famous and more touristy one where you would
be gauranteed a session at any time of day.

Kenney's (sp?) is not far away and is the more normal set-up which
does not get too lively until about 9pm possibly at the weekends.
I've only taken part once there but I found it a very enjoyable session;
friendly, varied and very open to newcomers and people who like to
do something different.  Very little friction between tunes and
songs here if you know what I mean.

These are the only two suggestions from personal experience I 
can offer - maybe someone else could suggest some more tune-orientated
session venues.

Happy new year

Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
Belfast, Ireland
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From: wgreene@oldblev.lonestar.org (Wayne Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Misundertood Songs Lyrics (Literally)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 09:12:11 CST
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> Misundertood Songs Lyrics (Literally)
> 
How about the old Herman's Hermits song from the 60s, "She's A
Muscular Boy" (She's a Must to Avoid)???



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From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: lyrics needed
Organization: CMP Publications
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:22:13 GMT


does anyone have the lyrics to a song which includes the line:

	yellow bird up high in banana tree

please e-mail me directly.

Thanks,
George Rothe
georger@utoday.com
From: hhh@basil.lcs.mit.edu (Henry Houh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Celtic harpists, Harp mailing list
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:22:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: basil.HHH.93Jan6152253
	<1993Jan5.215405.733@das.harvard.edu>
	<MARTIN.93Jan6095327@lyra.cis.umassd.edu>
Organization: /home/basil/hhh/.organization



>While we're on the subject, does anybody know another Irish harpist
>named Eine Minogue (or maybe Aine, I've seen it both ways)?  I've
>heard good things about her, but haven't heard her.

Aine Minogue will be performing at the King's Chapel (Downtown Boston)
noontime recital series sometime this January (I think the 19th).
I'll bring in my flyer tomorrow and post the exact date.  The concerts
start at 12:15 every Tuesday, and there is no admission fee although
donations are accepted (and go to the performers).  King's Chapel is a
5 minute walk from the Park Street T stop.

By the way, if anyone is interested in a harper/ist mailing list (or
just a FAQ on harps), contact harp-request@athena.mit.edu
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From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: Misundertood Songs Lyrics (Literally)
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:18:48 GMT

While we're talking about Fairport Convention
and mangled song lyrics - 

Does anyone know what the last verse of Tam Lin
REALLY is?  I can hear several different
possible interpretations...

Anyone?

Diana
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