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From: cg18fgg@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Greg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Golden Gate 486!!
Summary: Intel vs. Cyprix
Keywords: IBM, emulators
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:26:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>>>Can someone tell me why the Intel processors are not used in these emulators

>>Expense.

>Sorry, but things are not that easy. The difference is that the Cyrix chip
>is a 16-bit cpu and pin compatible with the 386SX. There is no easy way 
>to install a 32bit cpu (386DX, 486SX, 486DX ...) on a 16bit backplane...
>Cyrix's 486SLC is _no_ 486 CPU, it's a kind of overloaded 386SX: internally
>a bit more optimized, two 1KB caches (486's have two 4KB caches), but it's
>16bit and doesn't have an integrated FPU. 

Can you be more specific about the limitations of the Cyprix chip?  How does
it perform with applications such as Windows, AutoCAD, MS-Word, etc. (besides
the obvious coprocessor deficiency, which brings up another point.  Why
doesn't the 486SLC have a coprocessor?).  Is it not possible to put a 486DX
into an A3000 or A4000 either?  If it can be done, wouldn't people be willing
to pay the extra $$ for a more perfect emulation?  Can anyone tell me about
the alleged 486 emulation plans for Emplant in the future?


Thanks in advance,

Greg Callahan
gcallahan@ucsd.edu
From: djkordsm@burrito.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: IBeM or PC-Task to support AGA?
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:51:38 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: MultiDos - setup HELP!!! 
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
Keywords: 

I've got it installed but I can`t get it to read my pc disks!!
Could someone e-mail me on the proper steps for 
setup.

-dk 


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From: macnei@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Mike MacNeill)
Subject: I got Emplant Working!!!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:48:38 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

HA

HA

HA

HA

HA

HA

HA

GET A REAL MAC YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!  
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From: knyal@ils.nwu.edu (Jarrett Knyal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant thoughts
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:59:40 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences

In article <bobl.9cjr@bobsbox.rent.com> bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury -
SysAdmin) writes:

>Jezz...negative nimmies..I can't stand it!
>
>So the SCSI driver isn't included in the package at this point in time.
>Big deal!  

It is a big deal!  This means that you have to run the Mac software off a 880 K
Amiga floppy.  Anyone who uses the Mac daily (like myself) knows that Mac
applications are huge compared to Amiga apps and to run them off floppies is
ridiculous.

I spoke with Jim and he told me they were going to determine
>what the problem was with the *software* SCSI driver and everyone would
>get a *working* driver for free ASAP.

I don't want to sound like a "negative nimmie"  but what does "ASAP" mean?  As
a company, I LIKE UU.  Whenever I've called, they've been very helpful.  I just
think that they got in way over their heads with promises and then not being
able to deliver on their promises.  I think that they will get a working
product out eventually.  I'm just not willing to wait 1-2 mo. to finally get a
working product that I've already paid for.  What?  It won't be that long you
say?  How do you know?  Because Jim Drew says it won't be?  Well, I have to
take any promises that UU makes with a grain of salt.

>
>The EMPLANT board works..it's simply one portion of the software that
>has a bug in it. 

One little portion that actually precludes the software from running.  It works
you say?  Have you talked to anyone who got it to work (besides the folks at
UU)? 

You complain when it doesn't ship and now you complain
>when it does ship.  I suggest you just forget the entire thing and not
>worry yourself over it.  Let those of us who have orders in do the
>worrying.
>
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From: ewong@ucs.ubc.ca (Eldon Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:52:31 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Nov19.164838.1099984@sue.cc.uregina.ca> macnei@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Mike MacNeill) writes:
>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
>
>HA
>
>HA
>
>HA
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>HA
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>HA
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>HA
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>HA
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>GET A REAL MAC YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!  

There's a real intelligent comment.  Take it to advocacy, you jerk.  It is
very rare that anyone posts anything stupid enough to get a response from
me, but you did it.

First of all, a lot of us do have Macs, at work.  We like the Amiga's
capabilities and once in a while need to do something for work and would
like to do it at home.  Why would I buy a Mac for home when I probably
need to do something about once or twice a month at home that is related
to work?  Hey, if you want me to own a Mac so much, you can buy me one.

Now if you still want to act childish, here's something that may be at
your level of understanding:  FOAD.
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Golden Gate 486!!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:00:24 GMT

In article <41459@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cg18fgg@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Greg) writes:

>>Before we get too excited, let's not forget one thing: those boards
>>use Cyrix's 486SLC, not Intel's 486DX.  A 486SLC has a lot of 486 specific 
>>commands, but is not comparable to a true 486.  I would say it is an 

>Can someone tell me why the Intel processors are not used in these emulators?

Expense.
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: More Emplant Stuph.
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:12:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0jsj
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)


In <2116@celia.UUCP>, neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond) writes:
> I just discovered that Sybil is imcompatible with Opalvision. If you have
 
Hmmm...works fine with our OpalVision as well as other customer's...


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
From: mike@struad.uucp (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re:  Who has a working EMPLANT?
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:47:41 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

> 
>We have not had anymore than 100 phone calls concerning the functionally
>of EMPLANT. The majority of calls received were from people who have
>early A3000's with the Super KickStarts.  This (besides the random
>interrupt problem, which we fixed) are the only problems that I have even
>heard of...  We have many HAPPY people out there...so what gives???
> 
>Again, we did not release the product premature...I personally could not
>give a rip about being pressured, as that doesn't bother me at all (after
>all, not even all of presidential candidates ripping each other combined
>would equal the stuff thrown at me).  ;-)
> 
>These comments about "lay off for a week" are appreciated, however, I
>don't understand the reasoning behind them...as the problems are on
>select machines that probably make up 1/4% of existing Amigas (a machine
>that we did not have to test with).  So, if there are other problems,
>*please* bring them up, as we are not hearing real buggy type of problems
>on the phone or on our BBS...just here on the net.
> 
>Thanks for hanging in there guys...
> 
>
>
>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
>           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
>           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
>           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS


  Shutdown and Restart, from the menu, don't work. They just lock up. Any
advice???
  Also, stop the DAMN power light from blinking every time emplant accesses
the disk drive!!! It's annoying as hell and gives the impression of a
childish Euro-hacker that wrote the thing.
  And, is there a way to keep the pointer from freezing every time the drives
are accessed?

  Comments. Jim???
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant stuff...
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:20:14 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> It also needs a *non* EC version of the 68020/30/40
> and a 6888x for best compatibility.

68EC020 vs 68020 should, however, not be a compatiblity issue at all. The only 
thing that makes them different is that the EC model only addresses 16Mb of 
RAM (24-bit address bus). The 68020 doesn't have a bulit-in MMU, in any model. 
You need the external MMU 68851 chip if you want a MMU.

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From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT - anyone got it running ?
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:56:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <jdrew.0jrk@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:
> 
>The problem is this:  the MAC II (256K OS) series is not 32 bit clean. 
>Just ask A3000 owners how many Euro games crash on their system...same
>problem with the emulation.  The MAC II uses the upper 8 bits of a
>longword as flags.  So, if a memory location is accessed, it must be in
>the 24 bit address region and must ignore the upper byte of the address. 
>The MAC II's hardware handles this by masking off the upper 8 bits with
>it's PMMU or MMU (depending what system you are running with).  We

I am definately surprised that this caught you off gaurd.  The lack
of a 24 bit clean OS in the old macs was well known, and the problem
should have been expected.  I can see that you getting distracted
with other problems though, and lulled into security by the way your
acclerator cards operated.

Rick
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From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Accessing Mac partitions from amiga dos.
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:55:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <tpang.722316435@sfu.ca> tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang) writes:
>[questions and Jim Drew's answers about why AMax doesn't have harddrive
>transfer capability DELETED]
>
...
>So the answer to the question should be YES. AMaxII 2.5x does provide
>harddrive transfer. (It says it exists, people who are using please post
>to prove it's working also).
>
>David Tse


Yes, I use the hard drive xfer of 2.5 and it works fine.  However,
what I want is to access the partition from amiga dos.  This is most
useful when you haven't got amax (or Emplant) booted yet - and can't
because there is no formatted partition.

Regards,
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From: franke@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Michael Franke)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT Updates ????
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:31:22 GMT

rpfaff@umiacs.umd.edu (Ray Pfaff) writes:

>As far as posting is concerned, could someone tell me how fast
>emplant runs in comparision to a mac?  So far I've only seen 2000
>owners with Commadore accelerator cards get it to work, but I'm
>interested in what speed they're getting.

I couldn't even get it to work on an A2000/A2630 ....
Probably there are jumpers to set, but I didn't even get it to be
recognized by emplant. It's always saying something like:
Couldn't find emplant hardware, run test program (where is it ?) to
check if the hardware is functioning ....... and so on...
Programs like Sysinfo or AIBB find the board, so I wonder why emplant
doesn't. I will wait and see....

m.franke (franke@cs.tu-berlin.de)
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Subject: Re: Emplant and 4000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:45:54 PDT
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR


In <41161@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes:
> When emplant is working, I was wondering what an AGA version of
> emplant might work.  I understand (possibly) that AGA offers a
> chunky pixel mode (as opposed to bit planes).  If this is true, you
> could theoretically have emplant render directly into CHIP video
> buffers instead of copying the MAC video in to CHIP like the 
> current incarnation.  This should be much more straight forward.
> (and faster).  I still doubt that you'll see 68000 color in your
> life time -- Apple didn't even bother to do it.
> 
> Regards,
>  
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I have heard of Chunky Pixel support for AGA...however, I don't think it
exists...all of our developer stuff (even for our 1200's) make no mention
of it.
 
Yes, you are correct, direct rendering in Chunky format (such as ANY of
the SAGE compatible boards do) is great!  No CPU time is needed to do the
conversion.
 
As far as the 68000 version is concerned...what a joke.  We got it
working far enough to be able to boot disks, but due to the overhead
added by the MAC II's system software (ROM) Apple needed to bump the
processor just to be able to keep up with the MAC+.  With a stock 68000
with a MAC II, you can expect to see it nearly 15 times slower than a
MAC+...and that is what we saw with our emulation.  Watching windows
being drawn line by line is not my idea of a speed demon.  So, we
scrapped the 68000 support as it was not really worth the time patching
the rest of the ROM (finishing the more than 5,000 patches needed).


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From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Subject: Re: Emplant thoughts
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:52:05 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Nov 92 03:27:23 GMT, Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori) said:

Ivan> In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  4:30, Sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (jeff Hanna
Ivan> wrote:

 SH> Who knows, maybe it will work, someday.  But Jim seems to have a lot
 SH> of work to do to make this a working, or viable, product.

Ivan> Shut up.  You are wasting bandwidth.

die. you are wasting oxygen.

c.

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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:31:14 GMT
Subject: Re: EMPLANT Update and comments!!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations

	
	It's important to make some distinctions, I believe, regarding 
	the concept of "supporting" Amiga developers, especially as
	a reason to keep mum about poor products or services delivered
	to the Amiga community.

	To say "So what if it doesn't work... just shut up an be happy that
	someone is developing something for the Amiga..." is quite
	ridiculous.

	What everyone must realize is that everyone who placed an advance
	order for EMPLANT is _already_ a top-notch supporter of Amiga
	development... this is clear by the fact that they comitted funds,
	and placed their card # and trust in UU.

	Secondly, and perhaps most important, supporting ANY Amiga
	developer is NOT ENOUGH.  Realize that all the funds that
	Amiga users comitted to EMPLANT are the same funds that could
	have been comitted to a devolper that produced WORKING product,
	and in doing so _improve_ perceptions of the Amiga to the
	entire computing world.  NewTek is one such developer.

	If every Amiga developer did what UU did with EMPLANT, the
	Amiga would have been history long ago.

	BAD DEVELOPERS HURT THE AMIGA.  PERIOD.  

	How much $$$ was diverted from a 'good' development firm (Readysoft)
	to support a UU and EMPLANT?

	If we in the Amiga community support only the poor developers
	and don't spend our $$$ good products developed at good firms,
	we will kill Amiga.  It is that simple.

	Now, I have not said that UU will never get EMPLANT done properly.
	They may in fact do so.  But so far, damage HAS been done.  It
	can be undone if EMPLANT becomes what it should have been in
	the hands of the first customer, a working Mac emulator.

	Bad developers must be forced out of the Amiga market.  Usually
	the market itself takes care of this.... eventually.  
	 
	But unconditional support for any company just because they
	claim to be producing an Amiga product is quite short-sighted.
	The contidion must be that they are developing a good product.

	Clearly, EMPLANT's initial release does not belong in that catagory.

	-Mike-


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From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Re: I HAVE EMPLANT!  A toast to JIM
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:04:46 GMT

In article <Ivan_Pintori.02l6@mas.sublink.org> Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori) writes:
>I propose a toast to UU and Jim in particular!
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Definitely!

They managed to put out the door a product that doesn't work.
Will probably never work in all the ways they originally said it would
and best of all.
People are actually buying it.

Here is a toast to all you people that bought a product and are
paying for the privilige to be testing a product that isn't even
close to beta stage yet.

Maybe after a couple of drinks some of the pain will go away.
or a couple of big bottles of the hard stuff.

john

(pissed off that because of false advertising on UU's part he didn't
buy Amax II+ months and months ago. )

flames to /dev/null
I won't read flamse if you send them this way anways.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:21:36 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Good and Bad developers
	<22040034@hpmwmat2.sr.hp.com>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.emulations: 19-Nov-92 Re: EMPLANT
Update and comm.. Mike Powell@hpmwtd.sr.hp (2029)


> 	How much $$$ was diverted from a 'good' development firm (Readysoft)
> 	to support a UU and EMPLANT?

It was diverted from readysoft because readysoft does not make a product
that the people who ordered emplant wanted. In particular, they do not
make a colour mac emulator, nor do they make one that lets amigados keep
running at the same time.  Emplant, if it can be made to work
completely, will be a substantial advance on AMAXII+, that's why people
are supporting it, and that's why, maybe, people may want to cut its
developers some slack.  The money is not being diverted because, in most
cases, there was no possibility of it going to readysoft.

Now, if readysoft can come up with a backgrounding, colour mac emulator,
then their status as a "good" developer will count for a lot, and
they'll divert sales back. Even in the rather uncrowded amiga
development world, continual improvement is the most important thing
which makes development firms good or bad.


I'll probably buy a colour, backgroundable, mac emulator, if a working
one shows up, and I don't much care who makes it.

michael
From: hakanl@lulea.trab.se (H}kan Lennest}l)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: How do you back A-Max2.5 to a Viper Tape Drive?
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:23:11 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
: Hi,
: 	A friend has A-Max2.5 now running System7.0 and wants desperately to
: back it up in case it crashes and he loses it (took so long to get it transferred)
: . He's got an Archive Viper 2150s, SCSI Interrogator sees the tape drive so
: i guess he can backup to that? The thought of using floppies when you own a
: tape drive must be a bit daunting!
: 
: Any information of a PD/Shareware/Commercial program that would suit would be 
: appreciated.
:

There is a small PD utility called 'dd' that can be used for this purpose 
It is slightly similar to the unix 'dd' command. Can be found on 
amiga.physik.unizh.ch or wuarchive.wustrl.edu (file dd.lzh).

/H}kan
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