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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:03:00 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
From:         Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Language Peculiarities

On 11 Jan. 1993, Joe Gardner asked about terms to describe people
after whom others were named.  English does have one term which
comes close to meeting this need:  "eponym".

My Webster's New World Dictionary defines this term as "a real or
mythical person from whose name the name of a nation,
institution, etc. is derived or or is supposed to have been
derived; as, William Penn is the eponym of Pennsylvania ..."  The
definition does not state that this term can be used to describe
the relationship to a namesake, however.

Still, considering how many family members have creeks, streets,
towns, etc. named after them, this can be a nifty word to use in
family histories.

As an aside, if anyone out there is related to Samuel Otterson, a
major in the Revolutionary War from S.C., you may want to contact
me.  Although as far as I can tell, I'm not related to him, he
served as a namesake for some of my relatives, his name
(mutilated in various ways) continued to be used into the 20th
century.  After the war he was prominent in the Union Co., S.C.
area.  I suspect that my ancestors either served under him in the
war, or just used the name because of his (local) prominence.

Bill Page
Microtext Dept.
Sterling C. Evans Library
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas 77843
(409) 845-1952
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Elements of the perfect genealogical software
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:48:22 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <30DEC199203384119@elroy.uh.edu>, lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> The perfect genealogical software would have two databases.  One, naturally,
> would be a collection of records for individuals.  These records would be
> linked together to form relationships.  This is the essence of all 
> genealogical software. 
> 
> Now the second database would be a collection of records for sources.  Each
> bit of data recorded in an individuals record could be linked to a record(s)
> in the sources database.  
> 
> For example:  I have John Smith who is born January 1, 1850 in the individuals
> database.  The date of birth could be linked to records 123, 456, and 789
> in the sources database.  By some means provided by the software, I could
> call up records 123 (bible record), 456 (father's will), and 789 (letter dated
> January 1850 between John Smith Sr and his mother).  These same records may
> be sources for other information in other individual's records.

You might want to look at THE FAMILY EDGE, which comes in shareware and a 
professional version.  It's by Carl York, and the shareware version is 
available on CompuServe, AOL, Genie, and BBSs everywhere.  TFE allows linked
records of the sort you describe.  While editing Joe Smith, I can press Alt-C
to enter christening records; Alt-W for will info; Alt-B for burial notes
(church, tombstone, etc); Alt-L for LDS info; Alt-H for History notes; and
Alt-whatever for similar stuff.  You can optionally print this stuff, or not, 
in various formats.

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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
It was my understanding that all FHC's which provide FamilySearch do
so on an IBM PS/2 -- not a compatible, not an AT, but a genuine IBM.
I understood that this was official LDS Church policy with regard to
the use of PC's in FHC's.

If anyone knows whether any of these statements are not true, would
you please bring them to my attention?  I'm a volunteer at my local
FHC, and this is what I've been telling people.  I'd like to be sure
I'm not steering people wrong.
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Brian:

I have used FamilySearch at the Oakland, California, FHC, where, until
a few months ago, the only FamilySearch machines in use were four
Epson 386 clones with both 3.5 inch and 5.25 inch diskette drives.
They recently added some IBM PS/2 machines; I don't recall whether
they have 5.25 inch add-on drives attached or only the built-in 3.5
inch ones.

David

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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re:      Illegal Church Marriages
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:03:24 GMT

In article <3286603@MTS.RPI.EDU> David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU writes:
>In this country preachers are usually licensed by the state or county to issue
>certifications of marriage--except in some cases.
>
>Mennonite ministers in PA traditionally held no such license.  That is why
>many Mennonites also got married in civil ceremonies or in services in other
>churches.
>
>Are there other denominations which have experienced the same problem?

In pre-Revolutionary Virginia, Baptist marriages were not recognized
by the state, only those performed by the established (Anglican)
church.  This led in one famous case to a widow marrying a Baptist but
having her children by him registered as born to "Hannah Corbin [her
first husband's name], widow".  It was to her advantage, actually,
because Corbin's will had said she would lose her inheritance if she
remarried! 

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: English Polotical Divisions was (Re: England Q: recording shire)
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:08:53 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett) writes:

>include that, also.  (Attention Fred Rump.  You seem to be well versed
>in German information like this.  Any chance of your contributing
>something for the FAQ?)

All I need is more hours in the day and night. Note when I'm writing this.
I promised to do something for the books in print thing but there are many 
many things to do. And this geographical thing with Germany is a monumental 
task as nobody ever stood still long enough for anyone to draw a map. :-)

fred
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Subject: Earls
From: "Barbara Lighthizer,MAC,Otolaryngology" <lighthiz@OHSU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:39:55 -0600
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I am looking for information regarding my grandfather, Dorsey Octavis
Lighthizer, born about 1850 in Wisconsin and my grandmother Weltha Elmina
Miller also born in Wisconsin in 1854.  My great grandfather, Samuel Miller
born in 1819, Wisconsin married Sara Elizabeth Stuart. I would like to hear
from anyone who could help me with added information.
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:22:00 GMT
Reply-To:     "G.MULVENNA" <OSG1688@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
From:         "G.MULVENNA" <OSG1688@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
Subject:      My Tiny Tafel
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Happy new year to all rooters out there.  For what it's worth here is my
tiny tafel:
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N Gerry Mulvenna
A 7 Edenturcher Road
A Glenavy, Co Antrim
A Ireland, BT29  4LZ
T +44 8494 22915
D /IBM/
F Brother's Keeper 5.1
Z 15 Brother's Keeper  MP
C560 1830:1830 CONNOR\Drumsurn, Co Derry, IRL
C500 1840:1840 COWAN\? Co Derry, IRL
G125 1826:1826 GIBSON\Glenarm, Co Antrim IRL
M320 1851:1851 MATTHEWS\Glenarm, Co Antrim, IRL
M242 1797:1797 MCCLOSKEY\Dungiven, Co Derry, IRL
M266 1845:1845 MCCRORY\Ballygawley, Co Tyrone, IRL
M264 1898:1898 MCGAREL\Glenarm, Co Antrim, IRL
M225 1827:1827 MCGUIGAN\Dungiven, Co Derry, IRL
M600 1858:1858 MORROW\Glenarm, Co Antrim, IRL
M426 1845:1845 MULGREW\Ballygawley, Co Tyrone, IRL
M450 1825:1913 MULLAN\Drumaduff, Co Derry, IRL
M415 1822:1979 MULVENNA\Glenarm, Co Antrim, IRL
O256 1906:1953 O'CONNOR\Drumsurn, Co Derry, IRL
P600 1810:1888 PERRY\Main, Balteagh, Co Derry, IRL
W 04 Jan 1993
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Gerry Mulvenna
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From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Organization: CompSofTech, POB 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937
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Readers:

Reference part of this message:
> Yes, I'm getting them, too.  The subject line says "Recipient mailbox is
> full.  Returning message to sender."  They're all addressed to
> SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU.

I have tried to delete this user, and am getting some help in doing
it now.

later....cliff

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:04:00 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
From:         Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
Subject:      Texas Patents

In case anyone is interested, I have references to two articles
concerning patents and Texans:

Muir, Andrew Forest, "Patents and Copyrights in the Republic of
Texas," Journal of Southern History, vol. 12, pp. 204-222 (1946).
 This article states that 14 patents were definitely issued and
that 8 others may have been.

Muir, Andrew Forest, "Inventions Patented by Texans, 1846-1861,"
Southwestern Historical Quarterly, vol. 62, pp. 522-524 (1959).
This article lists roughly 80 patents.  Estimating the number of
names is a little trickier -- several people patented more than
one invention, but in some cases more than one person is shown
for a given patent.  These are the federal patents -- Texas
ceased issuing patents when it became a state.

I haven't seen any kind of compiled list showing Texas patents
for the period after 1861, except, of course, the lists which
cover all of the patents.

Bill Page
Microtext Dept.
Sterling C. Evans Library
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas 77843
(409) 845-1952
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re:      Matrilineal Descent
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:47:36 GMT

In article <9301032342.AA20631@buitc.bu.edu> Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU> writes:
> an article in the NEHGS Nexus, Oct-Nov 1992:
>"Mitochondrial DNA: A Genetic and Genealogical Study" by Thomas H.
>Roderick, Mary-Claire King, and Robert Charles Anderson.
>
>After some interesting background, it announces a study of matrilineal
>lines (mother's mother's mother, etc.).  They are looking for
>genealogists with matrilineal lines of at least eight generations,
>preferably ten or more, with dates, places, spouses, and
>documentation.  They would also like (if possible) names and addresses
>of close relatives with the same matrilineal ancestry.  They hope to
>get blood samples from participants for DNA analysis.
>
>For more information, see the Nexus or write to:
>T. H. Roderick, Ph.D., Center for Human Genetics, Municipal Bldg.,
>P.O. Box 770, Bar Harbor, ME 04609.
>
>I wish I could participate, but I have only six matrilineal
>generations (including myself), and the earliest was a Smith in
>Virginia.  Does anyone here have long lines you'd like to show us?

I have seven; if anyone can help me find Margaret MCCRAVEY's mother,
I'll have the requisite eight [I can get about 15 in some other
lines].  

Kathleen MUCH (b. 1942 Houston, TX), daughter of Ortrud Virginia
LEFEVRE (b. 1917, Houston, TX), daughter of Carrie Elizabeth BEAUMAN
(b. 1893, Rockport, TX), daughter of Kittie WOODRUFF (b. 1867, Winston
Co., MS), daughter of Elizabeth Emiline LEATHERWOOD (b. 1834 or 1835,
AL or MS), daughter of Delilah WOODRUFF (b. 1802, Spartanburg Co.,
SC), daughter of Margaret MCCRAVEY and Josiah WOODRUFF (dates and
places unknown; possibly NC).
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Evang Church Records in Silesia
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:15:56 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

"Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> writes:


>Although I have found several hints and leads through FHC's, I was
>unable to find Evangelical Church records for Wueste Giersdorf Kreis
>Waldenburg Schlesien.  I have found only catholic church records through
>the FHC.

>Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Bob, this is a toughy. The reason you've not found Lutheran records is because 
there were so few. Silesia was a part of Catholic Austrian empire until 
Frederick the Great took it from them. Some Protestants then came in to settle 
but the vast majority of the people remained Catholic. Now that Silesia is 
divvied up between the Czechs and the Poles and is no longer German the 
difficulty increases in finding information about 'Germans'.

Polish Church archives are all Catholic as far as I know. I know nothing about 
Czech records.

My suggestion would be to write to the:

Arbeitsgemeinschaft ostdeutscher Familienforscher e.V.
Kirchenbuchauskunftstelle
Sperlingstrasse 11a
W-4236 Hamminkeln 4
Germany 

This is the organization that would know which churchbooks can be found 
where in former German eastern provinces. It is the Society of East German 
Genealogists.

I would be patient though. This week I received a response to a letter I wrote 
in September. All it told me was to which archive I could write. At this rate 
I may have some answers in a year or two.


Fred

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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Two Questions...
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:32:54 GMT
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <930110160113.2c600a1e@WORF.ME.VT.EDU> BONGIOVIRP@WORF.ME.VT.EDU writes:
>   The first question stems from my inability to read German and the scrawl of
>   the person who wrote the register.  Maybe one of you can help.  The final
>   column of the register has the heading "Namen die Pashen", which may not be
>   spelled correctly.  In this column, there are two to four names, usually
>   with different surnames.  The first names are usually the same as the childs.
>   ie.  If the child was Dorthea Sophia, the names of the people would be
>   Dorthea _______ and Sophia ________.  Needless to say, the people listed
>   in this column were the same sex as the child.  Now, what I can't figure out
>   is if this was the column for witnesses, and the tradition was to name
>   the child after the witnesses of the baptism, or if this column just listed
>   the names of the people the child was named after.  Any help?

The heading probably reads "Namen der Pathen", which means "Names of
the Sponsors".  A standard custom was to name the baptized child after
one or more baptismal sponsors.  (Or maybe to pick out the sponsors to
match the intended name...)

>   My second question is a little more important.  While the names in the
>   baptism register and the names in the family bible match up pretty well,
>   There is one major disagreement.  In the family bible, there are two
>   children named Henriette and Louise.  In the baptism register, child #2
>   was named Henriette Dorothea Louise.  But, the 4th child was named Henriette
>   (no middle names listed).  There was no Louise listed and there is a
>   Dorthea listed both in the Baptism register and the family bible.  Also,
>   I know that they both lived long enough to be confirmed, and that Henriette
>   was two years younger then Hennreitte Dorothea Louise.  Both children were
>   born in the early 1850's.  Could it be that this Henriette Dorothea Louise
>   was called Louise and therefore recorded in the informal family bible as
>   such?  How common is this.  I may be able to solve this problem when I get
>   to the wedding register, if both children are listed, because the spouses
>   were also listed in the family bible.  Any help would be appreciated.

Yes.  It was common to give a child a whole string of given names, and
use just one (often not the first) in real life.  In some German
villages, practically every boy is baptized Johann X, and every girl
Anna Y, but they would be called just X and Y.

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: mdtaylor@aol.com (Mark Taylor)
Subject: Re: Genealogy Software for Mac?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:05:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.
Followup-To: soc.roots

Tom, whenever I see a posting touting all the wonderful features of the
$115
Reunion program, I find it hard to resist mentioning that my $20 utility,
GEDcompanion, provides many of those same features.

These include detailed descendant listings for export to MORE and Org Plus
for
printing those "wallpaper roll" family tree charts.  In addition, it
creates
Ahnentafel files and detailed descendants listings that can be opened up in
a word processor for publishing your family history.  It also exports tab-
delimited text files of all names, places, and dates.  These "database"
files
can be imported into database and spreadsheet programs so that you can
search through all your data for a name or place or sort by any parameter.

In addition, because GEDcompanion is not Hypercard-based, and because I
have
focussed on optimizing the process, GEDCOM import is extremely fast, much
faster than in PAF itself.  In a recent test, a file that took 2 minutes
and
fifteen seconds to import in PAF took just 17 seconds in GEDcompanion.
And, as you say, Reunion is even slower than PAF.

In summary, if you've been using PAF, and you're interested in publishing
your family history, searching or sorting all your data in a spreadsheet
or database program, or creating wall charts with organization chart
packages
like MORE, GEDcompanion is a fast, powerful, and inexpensive alternative to
Reunion.

You can order GEDcompanion for $20 from:

Mark Taylor
P.O. Box 2034
Cupertino, CA 95015-2034
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:18:45 GMT+1200
Reply-To:     Kaye Saunders <KSaunders@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
From:         Kaye Saunders <KSaunders@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Re: FHC Computer Knowledge
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi everyone

I'm finding all these comments on the computer knowledge of the helpers
at your local family history centres very interesting.

I too am a volunteer at our local centre and we are awaiting, in the next
week hopefully, the arrival of our computer (as it's not here yet I can't
tell you what brand or even the disk size) - and then let the influx of
people who want to use it begin.  We have scheduled one, or hopefully
you will go to two, tutorials for the volunteers so that they know how to
use it.  I don't feel that's enough, but then we'll only have two weeks
before the library opens again for the year (don't you hate it when the
library closes for two months!!) and with everybody on their summer
holidays I suppose more can't be scheduled.  It looks like we'll just have
to learn while watching others use the machines.  At least the director
of the centre is computer mad and so he will soon learn everything there
is to know, and there will be about 4 of us volunteers who love computers
and everything to do with them so hopefully we'll be able to learn it all
too, but I suppose that the rest of them will feel very uneasy with it.

Unfortunately I feel that the computer will get the same attitude from
some of the volunteers that the patrons actually get, and that is - the
resources are here - use it yourself, as many of our so called volunteers
are church members who have done the minimum genealogy they need to and
are only manning the library so that it is open as we are dreadfully short
of volunteers.  Please note that is not a criticism of the FHC, I've
not heard of it happening anywhere else and it is most likely just our
local centre, in a town where apathy is rife, that it is hard to get people
to volunteer.

Anyway, roll on the computers - gosh I know where I'm going to be spending
a lot of time in the next couple of months!!

Please keep your comments coming - I read them all with interest and try
to keep them in mind when helping our local users.  I really enjoy the
way everyone helps out in this newsgroup and I've learned so much - thanks
a lot.


Kaye




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