From: wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell)
Subject: Re: Chinascam
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.135002.1486@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <RBH6RB3w165w@korova.uucp> popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie) writes:

>>Some years back, a CIA analyst was tracking missles being shipped from 
>>China to Iran.  This was the tip of an Iceberg.  China was selling 
>>Missles, Nuclear Waeopn Technology nad Biochem Technology to Iran, a 
...

>I'm sorry, but this just doesn't quite seem to track the reality that
>I remember.  I was certainly aware of Chinese missile technology being
>sold to Iran some time ago.  I even remember pictures in the paper
>showing where Silkworm (a Chinese anti-ship missile) batteries were
>located in Iran.  In point of fact, I have a computer game (the first
>release of F-19) that shows Chinese missiles as targets in the Iranian
>theater. 

>Given all that, some kind of 'coverup' is just real hard to buy.

Confucious might humbly suggest that Silkworm anti-ship missiles are
quite dissimilar to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons
technology.

>>In August, the Chinese government started to move large numbers of 
>>chinese settlers into Tibet.  100,00 to start, with 700,000 to follow.
>>Little or no response from Bush who still wants to give most favored 
>>trading status to China.

>The Chinese have been doing this in Tibet since Mao took over and
>claimed Tibet back in the 1950's.  So what is new?

Confucious might also humbly suggest that a past history of offenses,
whatever they may be, does not justify acceptance of those offense if
they are repeated anew.

>>Last month, an official Amnesty International report dealt with the 
>>Torture and illegal detetion of Tibetians, and the mistreatment of the 
>>Tibetian people by their Chinese masters.  Not a peep from Bush on this.
>> He stillwants to give most favored trading status to China.

>Does it really come as a great surprise to anyone that China routinely
>violates Amnesty International (and United Nations) standards for
>humane treatment?  I'm not sure what this has to do with MFN status.

Some people think it's immoral to economically support, through trade
or otherwise, a regime which routinely ignores basic human rights.
Hence, past trade embargos on South Africa and Russia. One could make
the argument (although far be it from me to try and support it!), that
the relative success of Chinese Communism is very much related to our
continued economic support of China. Surely, we avoid selling
high-tech and other sensitive materials, but we do help provide money
and raw materials for the basic infrastructure of the Chinese economy.

Personally, I think Bush's support of high trading status for China
reeks of politics. The people who really make money on Chinese trade
are the big import/export firms, which help support the transport and
energy industries.  Bush, of course, would never want to impoverish
his buddies in these industries, so a few more Chinese prisoners die
on the work farms to provide cheap hand tools and textiles for the
American marketplace, resulting in a net export of jobs and import of
a lot of cheap, poorly made crap.

Of course, as a businesswoman from Hong Kong put it: "If the prisoners
produces high quality, they are whipped and beaten until they do..."

(This from a 60 Minutes interviews a couple of years ago.)

Sorry if I get somewhat manic about this, but China's policy of
producing export goods in prison work camps really pisses me off.
Heck, I probably have prisoner-produced goods from China IN MY HOME,
and I have no way of finding out where they came from or how they were
made. Bush's loose policy with China means that goods can flow in and
out of American ports and warehouses so easily that they become
virtually untraceable to the source.

>>A Liar and soft on Communism to boot.   Fuck Bush!  Fuck the asshole 
>>Republican Senators who give him a veto-override-proof veto on this time 
>>after time!

>Oh, well there you go.  That certainly convinces ME of your credibility.

It's possible to get emotional about a subject and still be factually
correct.

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