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From: Claus.Boggild@f204.n2603.z1.ieee.org (Claus Boggild)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Mac Iici System For Sale
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:54:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/204 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY

In a message dated 12-24-92 09:02  PAHIA@USC.EDU wrote to  ALL:
 P> I would like to sell my Mac IIci system.  It includes:
 P> Mac IIci (25 Mhz 68030)
 P> 8 megs RAM
 P> 80 meg hard drive
 P> cache card
 P> Apple Extended Keyboard
 P> Mouse
 P> Apple 13" Hi-Res RGB monitor
 P> Of course, the system comes standard with onboard 8-bit video and
 P> a 1.44 high density floppy drive.  It is less than 2 years old,
 P> has had light home use, and is in perfect condition.  I'm selling
 P> for $2700 (plus shipping if necessary).

I think you are a bit off on the pricing of that system - I just (24/Dec)
bought my new system from the local computer store:
Mac IIci (25Mhz 68030)
5 megs RAM
230Mb Hard drive
Cache card
Apple extended keyboard
Mouse
My choice of Apple 13" / Apple 14" / Nec Multisync 3FGx (took the latter for
eval)
Total price NEW $2,968.00

Ciao,
  CLAUS

 -> Alice4Mac 2.1.4E QWK Ser#2-19 
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From: roman@cs.ubc.ca (Marc Romanycia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.mac
Subject: Price Reduced: SE/30 5/40 -- $1150  (or $1400 with StyleWriter)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:37:29 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

Hi,
  I am helping a friend without net access sell his SE/30.
Here are the particulars:

    - SE/30 with 5 MB RAM.
    - 40 MB Quantum internal hard disk.
    - Apple Keyboard II (plain: has no function keys) (four months old).
    - Apple ADB mouse with heavy grey ball.
    - one HDFD (super drive).
    - no manuals or disks.
    - non original box, but an Apple Mac Plus box.
    - purchased new two years ago.
    - runs perfectly; was used in music studio for midi control.
    - reason for selling: upgraded to a IIci.
                                                                               
Price: $1150 US$ obro + shipping.  Terms: UPS COD Certified Check.

  As an incentive to buy the system, my friend can include a brand new
StyleWriter for an additional $250 US.  The StyleWriter is not for sale
by itself.
  Please respond by e-mail: roman@cs.ubc.ca,
              or by  phone: (604) 222-1242,

  Thank you for your consideration,
Marc Romanycia
From: jbehm@wc.novell.com (Jerry Behm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: WANTED: Mac II fx Logic Board Upgrade
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:56:41 GMT
Organization: Novell
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:59:25 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

Desire to upgrade my Mac II to a Mac II fx.  Need the Logic Board Upgrade
(Part # M0375LL/B).  In addition, need Mac II fx RAM and an Apple
Internal SuperDrive (Part # M0247).  Please send responses to jbehm
@wc.novell.com.
From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Have Beatle albums; Will trade!
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:36:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Need 80-105 Meg SCSI internal Hard Drive (in good condition of course) with
5 1/4 bracket.
Need FDHD internal preferably with 5 1/4 bracket.
Need Apple 12" monochrome monitor and Lapis Card for Mac SE
Would like to trade all or part of 27 vinyl Beatle collection.  Most of the
albums are in mint condition.  Includes original "Butcher Block" album
(Yesterday and Today) which has low book value of $400.  For more info E-mail
me    IN%"slchb@usu.edu"     GW.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: martinbw@theporch.raider.net (Bruce W. Martin)
Subject: Re: Phone No for Disk Gazzette
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:55:43 GMT
Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn.

p653663@austin.lockheed.com (p653663) writes:

> Help! I need to call Disk Gazzette to place an order and can't      
> find the phone number. 
>                                      
> Anyone have the number?      
>  
> Dick Kriss          
> kriss@austin.lockheed.com

1-800-222-6032

--
  martinbw@theporch.raider.net (Bruce W. Martin)
theporch.raider.net  615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville
From: a1chen@sdcc13.ucsd.edu ()
Subject: PowerBook Hard Drive Wanted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:28:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.wanted

Seriously looking for a internal PB hard drive.  80 Meg preferred.  120 is
even better. Please email me at a1chen@sdcc13.ucsd.edu


Thanks

Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Distribution: world
From: John_R._Llamas@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:53:31 PST
Subject: Hardware for Sale

I have the following for sale:

1.  PowerBook 170..............................$2995
			8 Megs of Ram
      80 Mb Hard Disk
       Global Village PowerPort v.32 modem, 9600/9600 - data/fax

2.  ImageWriter II.................................$100


You can reach me at (510) 339-3528 or leave me E-mail here.

**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG.  The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Distribution: world
From: Neal_Pitts@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:28:34 EST
Subject: Former Apple II users

I'd like to thank everyone who replied to my post about Apple II users that
switched over to the Mac.  :)  It appears my next computer purchase may come
soon because it appears that Apple will be dropping the Apple IIGS from the
price list by the end of the year (read DISCONTINUED!).  ACK!  Oddly enough,
the //e will remain on the price list!  The GS System software team will last
probably only one more fiscal year...

Most of the replies I got were from people that had II+ or IIe computers.  Not
so bad, but since a bunch were from II+ owners, it makes me think that they
missed out on Apple dragging them through the mud, so they probably missed the
worst of it.  ALL the replies were helpful though.

I had a few interesting replies of note.  One person said that if I was fairly Mac literate, and I wasn't already convinced, then I never would be.  That is probably so :), but when
this machine dies (1994 maybe?) or somewhat earlier, I'll need to go
somewhere.  Another person asked why don't I do a survey of PC people that
switched over to the Mac?  Heh. :)  That sounds like a task for a Mac Head
(bigot) which I am not.  :)  One of the most interesting comments was from a
person who had both a decked out GS and a decked out Mac Plus working
together, and he using them both!  Guess there's no reason to throw a
perfectly working computer out the window...

Thanks to everyone who replied!  If anyone has anything to add about why they
switched from Apple IIs to Macs, or alternativley have suggestions on which
Mac/other computer to move to, I'd like to hear 'em!

I'll have to check out that GS clone that's coming out next year...

NCP

Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:08:59 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line20.uoregon.edu

> So, where exactly can I get this NeXT Powerbook with Novell network,
> multitasking, interapplication communication, SYBASE support, CD-quality
> sound, drag and drop, color capabilities, Webster's, Mathematica, full MIDI
> and ISDN -- all built in to a notebook sized computer for less than the
> price of a Quadra?
> 
> That would truely be a great machine. <grin>
> 

Try buying a PC notebook with NS486 (when it comes out :)

Bjorn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Reply-To: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.160143.12804@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes:
>How can Mac folks NOT like NeXTs (at least a little) ?  They came
>from the same mind.

Hey, I'm a Mac guy and I love using the NeXT but if I'm going to
buy a computer, I'll stick with the Mac. I don't need an 040 or
Ethernet or DSP etc.

>Ronald Pomeroy		[Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]];


     -- farul ghazali.
        columbia university in the city of new york.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: illegal mac emulation
From: <CTLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 28 Dec 1992 00:49:30 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

The piracy in the emplant is the fact that it makes a copy of the MAC rom.
Not SYS 7.1 or anything like that. It uses that copy to run. So most Amiga user
are not buying the roms. they are pirating the roms on disk. It's different
from david smalls program. Also emplant uses MAC II roms not 128k MAC Pluss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: johnsd2@lib102.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Reply-To: johnsd2@lib102.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:10:13 GMT

In article 9450@cubetech.com, andrew@cubetech.com () writes:
[deletia- Andrew argues that the Mach Kernal is an object, I argue that in
this sence so are Mac applications]
>
>Yes, you could say that a Mac application is a single object to the
>kernel.  I guess we could call parts of the Mac OS "object oriented."
>The point I am trying to make is not "Mach is OO and thus is so much
>better because Macintosh is not."  The point I'm trying to make is
>that for the kernel it doesn't matter.  For things that you aren't
>going to put into your app, it doesn't really matter.

The point ->I<- was trying to make was that by a definition of object
oriented that admitted Mach, the Mac also qualified.

This, imho, casts doubt on the definition. That was my intent, anyway.

In any case, I was not asserting that the Mach kernal was in any
was BAD. I dont know enough about it to really judge it.

This thread is a tangent on whether the NeXT was designed
"from the ground up"; imho it was not because one of the major
components- Mach- was not designed "from the ground up" for the
NeXT.

That's all. Pretty irrelevant, isn't it? But I'm not about to
argue far from my origional intent in this.

[deletia- more refutation of what I didn't say. :) ]

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And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

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You'll never know whose they are.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.044104.2696@cs.uoregon.edu> tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.050708.1488@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
>>
>>if I may quote Steve Jobs: "Name one really sucessful product that
>>came from an alliance... I can't think of one sucessfil product in the
>>history of our industry that ever came from an alliance.  Or any other
>>industry, either.  Toyota and GM? - no.  I'm sure there are some
>>examples bit they're not standouts.  The statistics are not in favor
>>of these industry alliances."
>
>The Teradada/NCR P-90 project (later renamed NCR 3700 when NCR bought
>Teradata) produced the Bi-Net architecture from the two companys' alliance.
>This was a pretty serious improvement over Teradata's initial stand-alone
>success, the Y-Net architecture, which was of primary importance in such
>things as the Wal-Mart data network recently featured in Scientific American.
>And, although you will never read about it due to Teradata's policy on
>word-of-mouth-only advertising, the Bi-Net-based database computers that
>Teradata/NCR are prooducing aren't exactly a failure.

Again, "Name one really sucessful product that came from an alliance."
NeXTSTEP 3.0 is gobs better than 1.0, but it is far from "really
sucessful."


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com      | "I'm allergic to cigarette smoke, but THIS
Andrew Loewenstern       |  kind of smoke I can handle!"
Cube Technologies, Inc.  |  John Draper, aka Captain Crunch Dec 18, 1992
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From: jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:01:38 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

The current System Software version (7.x) does not allow each program a 
certain amount of time with the processer.  The time that background 
programs can get for processing comes when a foreground program calls an 
OSevent, which allwos background programs do to their stuff.  PowerMac/PC 
and their OS will allow pre-emptive (verses the macs current 
non-pre-emptive) multitasking.  This will be OS level Multitasking where 
all programs are given a certain amount of CPU time.  The OS will also be 
based on a Kernal, which means that if one application crashes, it should 
not bring down the entire system.


---
jkalanuk@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Jeremy Kalanuk)
The Draco Unix System [BBS]

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: Multiple button mice vs keys(was:Macintosh advocacy (really!))
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 00:47:57 GMT

In article <92357.100330ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.045855.3885@dtint.uucp>, nevin@dtint.dtint.com says:
> >
> >I have a NeXT, which ships with a two-button mouse.  As shipped, the default
> >configuration for the NeXT is that the right button does exactly the same
> >thing
> >as the left.  Hence, in the default configuration, the mouse is essentially  
a
> >one-button mouse.  However...
> >
> >In my current preferred configuration, I have the application menu dragged
> >completely off the screen (i.e., more screen real-estate for the app), plus  
I
> >have the right mouse button configured to pop the menu up under the cursor
> >whenever I push the button.  Thus, the application menu is instantly
> >accessable
> >where ever the mouse is, without having to go to the title bar like other
> >like other systems require (and NO monitor is ever BIG enough!), I guess you
> 
> Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've learned the following from
> this group:
> You are making a big mistake with that configuration 'cause Apple's says
> the way the MAC is operated (which is NeXT's factory default) is the easiest
> possible way. Everything else is less ergonomic. I.e. you can't even know you
> have a system menu when you can't see it on the screen. Having a popup menu
> with no visible clue is misleading.
> So working with your configuration is harder than necessary, I suggest you
> change it back to factory default.
> 
> If your experience is contrary to what Apple says, its your fault not  
Apple's.
> 
> Michael Bode

Bahahahahahaha...., that's funny. :-)

So, how about it everyone.  If your experience doesn't EXACTLY coincide with  
how Apple tells you your experience should be, then you're all wet behind the  
ears!-- according to Apple.

Is that the way it is?  Both myself and Michael would like to be corrected if  
we're wrong. :-)

But (as I try to wipe the smile off my face and get a little more serious), I  
much prefer the one-button mouse approach used by Apple than the multi-button  
mouse as Sun (OpenWindows or Sunview) and DEC (DECWindows) use it.  And, I had  
a DECStation on my desk at work for a couple of months, and a Sparc on my desk  
for 2.5 years, so I had plenty of time to "get used to it" (I actually grew to  
like DECWindows more than Sunview or OpenWindows-- and used it less).  But, I  
sure love the way NeXT implemented the 2nd button (as a menu pop-up button  
according to a user-configurable option), and I would HATE to go back to my old  
"one-button" mouse default NeXT configuration.

--
Nevin Pratt, Digital Technology, Int'l    Orem, Ut
NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:13:19 GMT

rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
>     [first quoting someone else who wrote:]
> >>*******I have never, ever, heard a single argument as to why a
> >>*kernel* that Larry Rosenstein would call "Object-Oriented" (i.e.
> >>written in smalltalk or obj-c or whatever) is better, either in
> >>functionality or usuability, to the user or the vast majority
> >>application developers, than a modern kernel like Mach.*******
> 
> Me too.
> 
> "Oh how miss being able to subclass and instantiate the MachKernel
> class" ;-)   :-) :-0

Certainly I'm more of a NeXT fanatic than a Mac fanatic these days, but I  
can pretty much answer the above question.  It makes a difference to  
end-users and application-developers because it *should* mean that kernel  
changes will go faster and be more reliable.

If you don't believe that, then you should abandon OOP altogether.  Either  
it is a benefit to the programmer, *any* programmer, or it's a bunch of  
lies.  And if kernal improvements are made faster and are more reliable once  
made, that has to benefit everyone else who is using the platform.

So, in theory I certainly believe that a kernel which is written from  
scratch using the *current* state of programming knowledge would be better  
than some older kernel.  I see no reason to argue against that claim.

On the other hand, I'm not going to abandon the NeXT that I can work on  
right now simply because some future kernel *might* be better.  I'm sure  
that Pink can win me away from NeXT, but if it does it's going to because of  
things that the kernel (and applications built on the kernel) actually have,  
and not the way it happens to be written.  If Pink is able to trot out  
gee-whiz new features faster than the NeXT kernel, then the OOP-nature of it  
will certainly be a win.  But it's the features that will matter to me, and  
not any (absurd) issues like whether I (a developer) can subclass the  
kernel.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill)
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:01:46 GMT

>In article 1h70apINNqal@pith.uoregon.edu, bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) writes:
>[deletia- yup, here we go again]
>>> Moral: blame Microsoft, not Apple.
>>> 

>>
>>Although I would agree to blame Microsoft for a lot, this is not one of them.  

>>The term multitasking means that the operating system takes care of running  

>>several processes/programs etc. at the same time -- making sure that everyone  

>>gets a fair amount of time and that no _one_ program/process can crash the  

>>entire machine.
>
>All I can say is that you seem to have a slightly odd definition of
>multitasking. Why tack on all the extra stuff?

How about a dictionary definition:(From the Oxford Dictionary of Computing)
	The concurrent execution of a number of tasks, i.e. of a number of jobs or
	processes.

So.. it seems that the Mac doesn't multitask at all! It has but one processor, so
it can switch between tasks really quick, but with only one processor, those
tasks aren't concurrent. So, my NeXT only multitasks when it's using the 

'040 and the DSP at the same time.. other than that.. it dosn't multitask
either :-)  Of course.. things change when you add extra processors...
like a double '040 NeXT ... or a Mac with one of those '040 add-on
boards (I think.. or does the new processor take total control and not
use the old processor at all?) Do you consider the video processor to 

be handling a process or job? Does that make it multitasking?
Then again.. maybe this definition needs to be changed a bit :-) :-) :-) :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: jturner@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (James M. Turner III)
Subject: Re: Mac Flaws
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:41:20 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The security would be a nice addition to the Macintosh OS.  I realize that
it can be purchased as an extension etc.  But if Apple would implement
some sort of A/UX like security system for its computers in the OS it
would be a welcome addition -- especially in the school systems.  
Although most Mac's are supposed to be used only by one person that is
rarely the case -- that ought to be taken into consideration instead of
possibly saying thats its not an unix machine and shouldn't be treated
like one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy