From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD The facts!
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:16:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

note: this is being cross-posted to alt.drugs, so watch the follow-ups
and thats also why i repeated the whole thing

In article <1992Aug27.223755.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> edd709psft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Evidently there is a freaked out raver wandering around Melbourne who has
>fried his brains from too much drug use (Love Doctor I THINK his name is!)
>and has produced a three page document detailing the hazards of LSD usage.
>He has been going around to all the raves distributing the letter on ravers
>car windscreens.
>Below I have included a few extracts from the document:
>
>
>"Provided in these pages is detailed information on LSD usage and its effects
>so as to provide the user with an understanding of the drug and facts about
>it. Please read it carefully as it will provide information for you safety.
>NoteL  This has not been written by some government organisation or the 
>drug offensive (BIG ANTI DRUG DEAL IN AUSTRALIA), but I am one of you (close
>to the scene) who has finally realised the gravity of such drug use and my 
>realisation and concern has lead me to research which has uncovered facts
>that may make you think...
>
>    - usual doses of LSD in humans are approx. 1-2 micrograms per kg,
>      to produce a mental and emotional experience, even though most
>      trips contain 15-90 micrograms of acid; thus making it one of the 
>      most potent pharmacological agents known to mankind.

quite frankly i dont know how much LSD does what to me, i know that different
little sheets of paper have had different effects, and whether or not
this had anything to do with the amount of LSD on them... eh?
just in everyday non-drug use life, the way you feel depends on a lot of
things, diet, excercise, sleep, etc.  adding LSD to this will probably
cause some noticable changes, and the more you add, the more noticable
the changes will be, but i doubt that many people have taken the
pure substance in as major a quantity as Albert Hoffman and he
seemed overall pleased with the result

and as far as being the most potent pharmacological agents known to mankind...
sure... and? its damn good stuff, im glad its potent

>    - LSD causes distortions in thinking and feeling and its chemical 
>      structure causes hallucinations and delusions and changes, permanently
>      the chemistry of the brain.

as far as causing distortions and hallucinations and what not
yeah, i agree it does... probably wouldnt be sticking little
pieces of paper in my mouth and spending days enjoying it if it didnt

as far as permanence... well i dont know what permanent changes it
really makes.. i do think that i think VERY differently now than i did
after the first few times it dropped

but then again i think VERY differently now after having lived
in Japan as an exchange student... and i think the change and the experience
are definitely related
and considering that most of our thoughts or whatever are really chemical
reactions.. yes.. it permanently altered my chemical structure...
and?
>    - it produces a series of somatic, perceptual and psychic effects that
>      overlap each other

yes.. again.. wouldnt be doing it if it didnt

>    - dizziness, weaknesses, tremors, nausea and parathesis are prominent
>      bodily symptoms

hmm... dont know about nausea or weaknesses (of what?)
tremors... well if you consider shaking cuz you've got too much
energy/speed tremors.. well sure.. but i get that when i take my 
asthma medication

dizziness... well i like spinning around alot while tripping and getting 
dizzy... but i doubt thats whats being discussed, i dont remember
being dizzy.. but thats just me

parathesis ... wow... have no clue as to what this means..
breaking it down into para=abnormal and thesis=logic
(which is just a guess) then i dont know what the hell abnormal logic is
cuz i dont know what normal logic is..

but about all of these things.. yeah i think they really happen,
but chances are you are too fucking happy to notice or care
and stuff like dizzyness can be fun..

>    - bluring of vision, distortions of perspective, organised visual 
>      illusions, less discriminent hearing and a change in the sense of time
>      are common abnormalities

yeah... LSD effects ALL your senses... i love the audial hallucinations
more than any visual ones.. and the tactile feeling.. well hell
that is great.. i havent really noticed smell or taste problems
but i dont usually eat or smell things.. hmm... good experiment

but that is just back to the point of why do it if it DIDNT do these things?

>    - LSD produces central stimulation, dilated pupils, increased heart beat,
>      mild elevation of blood pressures and alertness

oh man... our local grocery store has something to measure blood pressure
wow... 145 over 55, with a pulse of 75...
man.. that was better than the 139 over 62 that was caused by the
pain killers my dentist gave me

>    - psychological aspects include paranoia, irreversible personality
>      changes, depression after and during use can bring on suicidal thoughts
>      to escape traumatic feelings and emotions

well going back to the new experiences bring change,
yeah, it can cause personality changes...
but most of the changes i know in myself and in others
have been for the better
depression and stuff like that... hmmm
thats a very personal thing...
i am one who tends to get depressed a LOT especially when im alone
and i think i have depressing thoughts while on acid
but i deal with them alot better... 
but that it just me..

>    - physical damages include depletion of brain cells thus brain damage,
>      chromosomal mutations and damages to the nervous system

wrong.. heavy study has been done.. im sure it causes brain damage, but 
so does breathing smog. or for that matter, holding your breath for too long
Check out John C. Lilly's _The Center of the Cyclone_
for more info on LSD testing

>    - LSD is used in experimentation to produce a state of hyper arousal
>      of the central nervous system. It is used to induce psychotic 
>      reactions and other such feelings akin to psychosis and madness

no... it is used for a lot of reasons... if you want to know what it
is really used for as per what the guy who invented it says
read Albert Hoffman's stuff like _Problem Child_

>    - LSD is tastless, odourless and invisible thus you can never tell if
>      it actually is a trip you are getting, or something stronger like PCP

this is true... something to be very careful about
never deal with strangers... 

>    - PCP (Angel Dust) produces a form of sensory isolation that is stronger
>      than LSD; disorientation, distortion of body image, complete numbness,
>      sweating, rapid heart rate and hyper tension. A slight overdose can 
>      shut down the central nervous system and lead to death.

well there are alot of drugs you shouldnt take, 
cyanide being one.. people have slipped that into aspirin
but people still take that

>...I have tried to research and put onto paper facts about LSD usage and 
>related hallucinogenic drugs. I have provided you with only medical facts
>excluding medical opinion, thoughts and personal experiences; if I was to
>include this, the information would be long, detailed and complex as the 
>drug acts differently with different personalities.
>But I will say this, you are dealing with one of the most powerful drugs in
>the world, and it is being taken as 'if it was candy'.
>Once you reach your ultimate experience, your personality will change 
>dramatically and there is nothing you can do to change what you encountered.
>You will go through serious difficulties adjusting and returning to the 
>'real world' because your experience is so real that people will think that
>you are going crazy. It is called a mind altering drug because the experience
>alters the entire personality and it is irreversible, the experience cannot
>be changed or reversed ever.
>You will never know what you are buying, it may be labelled a trip but you
>don't know what it really is, where it comes from, who made it or what is in
>it. Finally, you think its or 'just a trip', be careful this is the biggest
>distortion of the drug. Ask anyone outside the drug culture, perhaps a G.P.
>he will advise you to stay away from those drugs, not because he is
>exaggerating, but because they know the facts, their views about the drug
>aren't distorted."

no... doctors are NOT educated about everything
and they are not all educated the same way
main reason why if you ask 10 doctors for an opinion
you will get only 7 different ones if you are lucky


i could go on and on about my own personal experiences and thats all i have 
to go on besides what i read about other people and other people i talk
to

but dont trust me, dont trust anyone, dont even trust yourself
thats the paranoid attitude shown here

read all you can before you do it,
it will be more comforting... also it can make it a lot more enjoyable
if you want to do it

i run high on life most of the time,
but running high on something else every now and then is nice too
--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
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