From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: [alt.conspiracy] Unmarked black (and other) choppers
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:48:37 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

[ I'm not sure if this is relevant to all the groups - drop me a note
if you think it's a inappropriate repost ]

A repost from alt.conspiracy:

From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Unmarked Black Aircraft Sightings
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:35:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is the latest from Prodigy on the black helicopters. Particularly
interesting is the material toward the end giving pointers to 
previous material on these. People here may be interested to see
the name of Napa Sentinel editor Harry Martin who appears in several
installemnts of John DiNardo's "Casolaro/Inslaw" series. 

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PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service         11/15/92         3:18 AM

         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/09  9:57 PM
TO:      ALL
FROM:    J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
Anyone spotting these black choppers, please report here.   
Since my last reporting, we have seen them on a number of   
occassions. Most sightings have been at night, however, the 
last two times have been in broad daylight and they were    
very easy to see. The first daylight spotting was this past 
weekend and a single craft could be heard headed our way for
miles. It was flying very low and slow and had the low  > > 
rumbling sound. Flat black, no markings of any kind and     
appeared to have either very dark or black windows as well. 
Look like they are big enough to carry troops.              

  Last night we had friends over for dinner and were talking
briefly about the choppers. My friend, who I had informed   
about these last week, said that while he was watching TV   
Saturday, he heard the low rumbling sound I had described.  
Curious, he went outside and saw 4 of them flying in a tight
formation side by side. He watched them for sometime and    
stated they made some very interesting manuveurs before     
disappearing very suddenly. As he was relaying the story  > 
last night, we heard one on approach to our area of town. We
went outside and sure enough, one flew right overhead,      
twice in 5 minutes, only this time it was traveling very    
fast and had a different sound. No question about it.....   
these bad boys are for real.                                

   They seem to be picking up activity recently. Anyone else
notice them or have the honor of seeing them up close?      
Please report them here and take photos or videos if        
possible. Now that more people know of them here in Arizona,
I'm sure it won't be long before we have proof of their     
existence. The media will have no excuse for not following >
up on them then.                                            

   Good luck everyone.....and keep your eyes open.          



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/10  6:57 PM
TO:      J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
FROM:    ORPHEUS SIMONTON   (BVSF92F)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
In Seattle,we have had several choppers circling about a 5  
mile radius,usually about 3 or 4 in numbers,every five      
minutes for about an hour.The confusing issue here is, we   
also have had a big breakout of arsons around the area so,  
they could very well be for that purpose,the only thing that
keeps me from dismissing them as this,is there was a big Bo 
Gritz demonstration downtown and many people who were agains
Bo Gritz showed up and were acting rather hostile,there were
several troops there who were identified as being neither   
military,nor local police.So,it's really up in the Air.     



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/11  7:57 AM
TO:      ORPHEUS SIMONTON   (BVSF92F)
FROM:    J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
Orpheus;                                                    
   Were the choppers you spoke of the infamous "black" one's
or were they regular law enforcement? At night it's hard to 
tell from a distance....but very easy to distinguish at     
close range. During the daylight hours, there is no problem 
at all discerning these "bad boys". So far tonite as of     
2045mst there has been no action, but the night is young.   



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/12  8:25 AM
TO:      J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
FROM:    ORPHEUS SIMONTON   (BVSF92F)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
couldn't really tell,they were a little too long and narrow 
for police choppers,I THINK.but who knows?one thing though, 
the whole purpose of police choppers is to spotlight the    
criminal so the police can follow,but there was no          
spotlight.Infared was brought to mind but,this wouldn't help
the police on the ground,So I'm more inclined to think      
something else was going on.                                



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/13  8:30 PM
TO:      ALL
FROM:    JOHN SAUNDERS   (BPCV58E)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
    I am placing this post under this category due to the   
fact that it involves a helicopter.  As to whether it is    
associated with a "one world government," I don't know. But 
I do know that this article is serious!                     

    This article appeared in a Tennessee newspaper called   
the Nashville Banner, November 13, 1992.                    
                                              (cont.)       
               "COPTER FIRES ON MAN IN FIELD"               
                                                            
    In Lawrenceburg, TN, a St. Joseph Milling Co. employee, 
David Lopp, was waiting in the company truck at the edge of 
the cornfield that was being harvested when he heard the    
sound of a helicopter.  At first he couldn't see it, then   
the helicopter rose up from a grove of trees and was flying 
suspiciously low.  Lopp, 33, said that as soon as the copter
reached tree level height the occupants of the helicopter   
saw him. That's when a door slid open in the side of the    
helicopter and they began firing at him with what sounded   
like a machine gun.                                         

     Lopp said that he could barely hear the gunfire over   
the din of the rotors, but recognized that he was in        
immediate danger.  He said, " I could hear it (the bullets) 
hitting the cornstalks behind me. I hit the ground."        

     Lopp said he had tried to see if there were any        
markings or numbers on the copter, but couldn't get close   
enough.  The helicopter after firing upon him took off with 
a burst of speed.                                           

     Lopp said he was so shaken that he left the scene      
immediately and notified the authorities.  The Lawrence     
County Sheriff's Department is taking the report very       
seriously.  Deputy Terry Beecham said that from the         
description it might have been a Huey.  He said he has      
contacted the DEA and officials in Nashville and Birmingham 
for information they might have on suspicious aircraft      
flying in the region.  There is no information as yet.      
                                                            
    There was no description of the color of the helicopter,
but I plan on finding out.  Folks, this is getting serious! 
                                                            
                                                   John     


         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/14  7:39 AM
TO:      JOHN SAUNDERS   (BPCV58E)
FROM:    J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
John;    Are you in a position to follow up on this and keep
the rest informed? If you are, I suggest you stay on the    
paper and any other media around there to keep this alive.  
This is almost unbelievable and I for one do not take this  
lightly. I urge everyone to have photographic equipment     
handy at all times, and use it when necessary. I wonder what
the intent, if this report turns out to be true. This is    
exactly what I feared when I first spotted them here.       

  Folks, the time has come to start getting louder and      
screaming at officials until we get answers.                

  Take care all                                             
                                                            
                                                            
  CHEERS                                                    
   TBD                                                      



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/14 11:25 AM
TO:      J FIFIELD   (TRPW26A)
FROM:    JOHN SAUNDERS   (BPCV58E)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
Mr. Fifield,                                                

    Yes, the report is true.  The Sheriff's department is   
checking the field to see if they can find any ammo         
cartridges.  They are also checking with other federal      
agencies.                                                   

    The individual is an average, hard-working person and   
the deputies believe that it occurred because the man has   
a good reputation and according to them "he is no glory     
seeker."                                                    

    I will be checking into it, and keep all posted.        
However, I have other reports from the past where unmarked  
helicopters have fired upon farmers and ranchers. This is   
not a report that stands alone.                             

    If anyone is interested in obtaining a complete         
chronology of events (sources from many newspapers and      
witnesses) of these mysterious, unmarked and often times    
black helicopters, one can contact Tom Adams and request the
chronology dating back to 1971 to 1986. The address is:     
P.O. Box 1094, Paris, TX 75461.                             

    Another report that I have received was published in    
"The Napa Sentinel," Vol. 8, No. 512, 925 Lincoln Avenue,   
Napa, CA 94558, FAX 257-3035, (707) 257-6272, Friday, July  
17, 1992.                                                   
                                                            
 "HELICOPTERS-WHERE ARE THEY GOING AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING?"
                                                            
  This article was written by Harry V. Martin about the     
sightings of black and olive drab helicopters in the        
Oakville Grade area, some in the early morning hours,       
coupled with military vehicles along Dry Creek Road and on  
Mt. Veeder.  The question as to why all these helicopters   
have been flying to the Oakville Grade area has been        
circulating in the community there for months.  The people  
want to know what is going on.                              

   "What is known is the following:                         

    * The helicopters fly generally after 5 p.m. and can    
sometimes be in flight as late as 4 p.m. in the morning.    

    * Helicopters hover over the Oakville Grade area for a  
long time.                                                  

    * Most helicopters do not have insignia. Some are olive 
drab- a military color - others are  black.                 

    * The helicopters apparently do not land but discharge  
cargo, hovering over the Oakville Grade site.               

    * There is a low-level radio frequency being emitted    
from the area, but not a frequency used for air traffic."   
                                                            
    According to this article, there is some type of        
underground facility in this area where some of these       
helicopters have been seen to lower huge generators and     
other items into this facility.  There is no visible landing
area near the facility. Helicopters approach from the       
southwest, hover and drop down, and then head due west.     

    According to Harry Martin, the Sentinel has been        
investigating the helicopter traffic for some time, and has 
received more stonewalling from the military over questions 
about this activity than it has on any other subject.       
                                                            
                                                John        



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/14  4:18 PM
TO:      JOHN SAUNDERS   (BPCV58E)
FROM:    MARY THOMPSON   (JGPS59B)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
Hi John,                                                    
  Tom Valentine had Harry Martin on his show last night.    
Harry said that they were building an underground command   
center for officials to go to in the event there were an    
upheaval to occur. They can also be used for a command post.
I think he said they were be built all over. He also talked 
about when Bush signed the executive order of UN troops     
Which allows the use of troops for control of cities.  They 
call this Operation Garden Plot.  In the LA riots, if they  
had gotten worse then they were the US could have taken over
the city militarily.  He also said the thing is you don't   
know who starts the riots.                                  

   Tom Valentine called the Pentagon and the army,and they  
told him the army is using the black helicopters,and black  
uniforms and had switched over 7 years ago to be invisible  
to infa red detection equippment.  He asked him about the   
exhaust they leave behind and he was told they were equipped
with exhaust protecters. Tom said it sounded like a cover  
story to him.                                               

     With the choppers in the Napa area, so many people were
asking about them they held off for awhile, but now that the
election is over  there flying over frequently.             

  Looks like to me they expect something to happen why all  
this activity and cover up stuff.  Was The LA Riots a test  
case. Why the building of underground Command Centers ????  
                                                            
                                    Mary                    



         ARTS CLUB
TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    11/14  4:04 PM
TO:      ALL
FROM:    JOHN SAUNDERS   (BPCV58E)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOVT-CHOPPERS
 
    Update as of November 14, 1992 on the helicopter        
incident in Lawrenceburg, Tennessee.                        

    An associate of mine spoke with the Lawrence County     
Sheriff's Department and talked to one of the officers there
who had initially taken the report from Mr. Lopp. He        
considers that the man is credible and had no reason to make
this story up.  He also said that the color of the          
helicopter was blue and white.  He also said that in the    
past there has been a lot of drug trafficking in the area   
and cattle rustling.  So, the event may have some bearing on
this rather than being associated with the military.        

    Both Lawrence and Giles Counties in the past have had a 
number of ultra left-wing activities.                       

    Since Mr. Potts indicated that the corn stalks behind   
him were being hit, this to me indicates that the one who   
was doing the shooting was either a poor shot or this was   
done as a scare tactic for some ulterior purpose.           

    The Sheriff's Department is continuing to investigate,  
and more information should be forthcoming when the         
investigation is completed.                                 
                                                            
                                           John             
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-Steve