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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Commodore 486
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.174651.3765@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:

[ ]
>
>If it's a 486DX, what does it have an OverDrive Socket?

Well, it's a 33MHz computer.Putting in a chip doubler takes it to 66MHz.
>
>>Monitor is NOT included.  No mention of what video comes with the system.
>>I sincerely hope that C= Canada's A4000 pricing will be similiar. :)
>
>That price isn't too bad, I guess... although you could still save a bit
>on Honest Eddie's Generic Soldered Together on the Boat on the Way Over
>From the Far East clone...

The computer is well made, uses an AMI motherboard and is well supported.
I don't like saying anything nice about PC's, but it's not bad. Much better
than getting a noname creature that may become extinct any day.
 
Also, the computer runs OS/2 version 2.0 which is a big plus.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:58:04 GMT

Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:
: >You are right, it pays to upgrade:
: >Multi I/O cards (with a 16550AFN UART)
: >New FDD/HD controler (preferably with a cache)
: >New sound card
: >
: >There are things that only need to be upgraded occasionally:
: >Floppy drives (I'm sure they wear out)
: 
: Well, if you total the PARTS cost of a PC, and compare it to the
: cost of a comparable put-togather PC, the ready-made PC will be cheaper.

What if can't afford to get a whole new system?  This was my case when I
wanted to upgrade my NECV20-10 (much like a 8088-10).  When I first built
the 386SX-16 I had to reused my EGA card and monitor and my 32MB RLL hard
drive.  

: So generally, it isn't worth it (IMO) to hassle to exclude the FD from
: the system and fiddle with it to hook it up when your new PC arrives.

If all you can save is the FD, your right, its not worth the cost.

: >Some items you keep for a long time, especially if they are expensive:
: >SVGA monitors
: >100-300MB HDs
: >Tape drives 
: 
: Well, if the monitor is interlaced, you'll consider an non-interlaced
: one, alright!  System ALWAYs have bundle packages with new monitors anyway.

That depends.  I borrowed a IBM 8514 Monitor from work (interlaced) so I
wouldn't have to spend $300-$600 for a new one.   The flicker wasn't
unbearable on this monitor.  Also the monitors that come with new systems
still make a 250-400 difference.  Maybe more for a really good monitor.

: AND HD, I'd hate to put a 30ms HD on a 486, wouldn't you?
: I guess if they are that big, perhaps...

I've put a 28ms HD on a 386.  It was better than nothing.

: I do not have much experience w/ tape drive, but I figure that waiting
: 1.5 hours to BACK UP your HD isn't SO basd compared to, say, 40 minutes.

It is if you have to change floppies every two minutes or so.

: Personally, I will consider keeping my regular SondBlaster, unless the
: stereo ones get REAL supported by then.

As you should.  I won't upgrade my SoundBlaster until the Pro Audio
Spectrum-16 is supported everywhere.

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From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Allowed?)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:50:52 GMT

ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:


>   I just checked back into the group for some quick reading and just had to
>write you a short note here. I find your constant need to knock others quite
>disturbing. I would also kindly ask that you not distort the facts when using

Christ Tom, how many times are you gonna post this?  You do realize that
news *costs some people money*, don't you?  Not everybody dials up their
local freenet like you.

Listen, I tryed to divert this little grudge to EMail, but apparently you
don't feel that's the proper place.

From now on, anything relating to this grudge you have should be in mail.
Anything else posted to this group concerning this issue I won't reply to.
It's not worth people's time or money.

Get a grip, eh?

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From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:07:57 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <OA92-901-306p1_88E8203B@piraya.bad.se>, Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
> 
>  GR> Not even Atari was dumb enough to try and create a custom chip that
>  GR> did 16-bit audio, the job is much better given to a DSP to handle.
> 
> It's NOT! Suppose you want the DSP to do other stuff, like voice recognition,
> image enhancing, or 3D graphics, or any other of that nice stuff a DSP can do,
> why waste bandwidth on such a simple task as outputting audio?

Hey! As far as I have understood, the DSP is NOT needed for Audio output
(even 16-bit stereo, or maybe 8-channels). There is a special
audio-matrix-subsystem for that. You use the DSP, if you want some
realtime audio processing.

> 
> 
>    /  /
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> 
> --- Point Manager 3.00 Beta Unreg.

						Jouni Alkio
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:27:58 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
 <u894776.717825905@bruny>

In article <u894776.717825905@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way
Mail) says:

>gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>>Then I'll state that you've never used or programmed under 2.04.
>        Try using an amiga with 512k and one floppy disk drive [no harddrive]

>        Sure it would be good if users didnt have these setups,
>but they do - and all those other machines I mentioned work
>extremely well in the base setup - the amiga does not.

>        The trouble as I see it is that the engineers that commodore/amiga
>had were *too* experienced with well structured, hard disk dependent

I used an Amiga with one floppy (no hard drive) from '85-'87, so I know
how unusable it is. AmigaDOS is designed for hard drives, plain and simple.
I don't think there's any chance of that changing.


>as fast as other platforms.  Ever used an application which used
>one of the built in [ha ha ha ha pre 2.04] file requestors - and had
>to wait ages for a directory listing?  A good OS not only has a good design
>but is also a pleasure to program and use - in all setups.

Supposedly Kickstart 3.0 has a "directory caching" version of the filesystem
which should cure the slow directory problem. (Of course other things which
were unusually fast before become slower...there's always a trade off).
From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:05:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) writes:
>chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>
>>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>>>I want to have at LEAST 6 hard drives, a tape backup and a CD ROM in my 
>>>>machine.  
>>>
>>>I can understand the CD ROM and tape backup, but nobody needs 6 hard drives.
>>>Larger drives go faster, so if you're really performance concerned, you'd
>
>>Actually, multiple drives can serve a very good puropse, especially in a
>>multi-tasking machine.  If i'm doing 2 or 3 disk intensive operations on
>>different drives, it takes less time and puts less wear and tear on the drives
>>than if they were all done on the same drive.  An example would be importing
>>messages into a BBS where you would want your source file on one drive, and
>>the destination on another.
>
>A valid argument.  Buy a SCSI card.  The fact is, most of us don't have
>and *immediate* need for kinda stuff.  [Please don't flame me, I, like Dave
>himself, favor SCSI over IDE.  However, what is the point of over crying
>over spilt milk?  I mean Commodore has already put IDE drives in the 4000s.
>We can't change that now.  However, they have a SCSI-II card coming out for
>it, maybe they'll get a clue and drop this kinda controller in to the next

Who's complaining?  I was merely commenting on Dave's mistaken statement that
NOBODY needs 6 drives on their system.  Many people do, although NEED here is
defined as "Extrememly good reason", not that it won't work without 6 drives.

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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right./Falcon guff
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:04:36 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:

>Look Greg - I'm NOT quoting!

schnipp..

>Wait a sec - clue me in on somthing - the St isn't a monster seller, but
>the Amiga is????  HAHAHAH!  Let's see, 3 million Amiga users, 2.65 million
>St users, boy what and edge.

The current number is 4.5 Millions....though i can't believe that Atari
has sold 2.65 units..perhaps with the Lynx and PCs together:-B

schnipp...


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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: real falcon 030 specs
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 11:34:00 GMT

Anders Skelander writes:

> lower CPU speed runs TOS code faster than the ST does? I don't
> think the Amiga's blister, sorry, blitter, will be of any use in this
> case, since TOS routines aren't specifically written for it.

Isn't there a more-than small possibility that the line-A emulation code uses the
blitter where it is useful?

-Eyvind (eyvind@lise.unit.no)
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave _IS_ God.  (was Re: Here's one for ya...)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 07:48:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
: NO, I AM DAVE'S FIRST GROUPIE!
: 
: "CBM Sucks, DaveH is GOD."  That's MY line.

Boy, Dave, your groupies are just crawling out of the woodwork.  :)
Think maybe it's time to leave C= and start your own company?  Maybe
you can take all of your friends at Engineering with you, and design
this really neat workstation.  You can set it up with a nice, speedy
Unix derivative...  Mach sounds nice.  Then you toss Display
PostScript on top of it, and give it some really neat casing design...
And you can call it the NeXT, and spend your days making money off of
big businesses...  ;)

And then, of course, you'll get your brain sued out by Steve Jobs, but
we'll leave that out...

Greg

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:32:09 GMT
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Sep25.210439.28123@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>My question is this: given that I'm going to be doing heavy scientific
>>computing, but I also really _love_ to play good games (particularly flight
>>sims), what computer should I buy?  Should I go with the OS I like and know,
>>in the Amiga, or should I go for the lower-priced, better supported PC clones?
>
>	I'd say get the Dell 66/486DX2, but add 4 more meg of ram so you can 
>  run OS2 2.0.  That way you can have it all, great OS, great support, and
			                       ^^^^^^^^

Oh, you mean the pre-release of Windows NT?  Or do you mean waiting for the
retail release?

You don't mean DOS, Win3.1, or OS/2, do you?

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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:15:45 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <KENTD.92Sep25104704@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com>, kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>> On 18 Sep 92 11:09:25 GMT, fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu said:
> fheitkamp> In article <BuozzM.D8J@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
>> 
>> And also, Lurch from the Adams Family movie (and Mr. Hom from ST-TNG)
>> was there on Saturday. He is supposedly quite an Amiga fan and has
>> both of our products. He is also pretty scary to look at in person.
> 
> fheitkamp> 	He is also the drummer for Fleetwood-Mac.  As a matter of fact
> fheitkamp> 	I think his name is Mick Fleetwood.  
> 
> No he's not, you goof!

	Are you sure he's not?  I thought I even saw it on the credits at
	the end of the show.  Mr.  Hom from ST-TNG is played by somebody
	from Fleetwood-Mac (but I know it's not Stevie Nicks)

> 
> (The ironic part of it all, is that Mick Fleetwood is a big *Atari*
> supporter due to the MIDI stuff out for it!)
> 
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From: david_s@hsr.no (David Andreas Sjoeen)
Subject: Re: HAM-8 only 256,000 colors?
Reply-To: david-s@ifi.hsr.no
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.131102.29608@hsr.no>, david_s@hsr.no (David Andreas Sjoeen) writes:
> Why does C= say that HAM-8 has 256,000 colors?
> 
> I may be totally wrong, but:
> 
> The old HAM mode (HAM-6) could change 4 bits of color info for each of
> R, G and B, and also had 16 base colors. (2^4)^3 = 4,096. The palette
> was 4,096 colors, i.e. 4,096 colors at once.
> 
> B u t :  This doesn't work on HAM-8: You have 6 bits of color info, i.e.
> (2^6)^3 = 262,144 (not 256,000!) colors. But you also have a palette of
> 16.8 million colors and 64 base colors. That means that you theoretically,
> in a large enough picture, could have 262,144*64 = 16.8 million colors at
> once!   A n d   it also means that you can have 4,096*16 = 65,536 colors
> at once in HAM-6! Of course, you would have to choose the correct base
> colors to do this.
> 
> I really hope this is correct...
> 
> :)avid

No comments at all?!

:)avid

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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:29:37 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <1ab50gINNeuj@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
>Subject: Re: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga
>Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:56:16 GMT
>richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>: Nope, not me anyway.  It sounds like you should stick with Atari as
>: long as you can, considering your current investment.
>
>I hate to say it, but I agree.  He's got a rather large investment in
>the Atari.  If he sticks with the Falcon, he doesn't have to buy
>anything new.
>
>But let's say he DID want to switch to the Amiga.  Some of the great
>stuff by Blue Ribbon SoftWorks (did they change their name to or from
>that?) like Bars & Pipes Pro, well known stuff like Dr. T's stuff,
>available editors, and some of the advanced SunRize boards are some of
>the most powerful things available for ANY computer system.
>
>Greg

Perhaps this would be better in comp.sys.amiga.audio.

Anyway, I believe Dr T's KCS is up to version 3.5, which I heard was better 
than the ST version, but that was in an UK Amiga Mag, so I wouldn't trust it 
too much :)  Most of Dr T's software is available for the Amiga, including I 
think the X'or patch editor.

Jim
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Oct1.061826.4148@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>I see things clearly, orphan all systems before the A4000.
>Then screw over anyone who doesn't want to do things C='s
>new way.
>PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET

	Instead of complaining now, why not wait until you actually
TRY programming the A4000 according to Commodore's recommended methods.
Maybe you will find that you don't NEED these specs.

	Of course, if your mind is already made up, then there's no
use arguing....

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:10:05 GMT

In <1992Oct6.114843.3943@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>So to the best of my understanding, a 25MHz '040 really is 25MHz as
>far as the internal processing units are concerted.

Which of course says nothing about the operational speed since you
don't know how many internal clock ticks are needed for a certain
operation and wether the 486 may need twice that many.

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: way to go commodore!
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:57:21 EST


>According to my information, the 56001 CAN pull off real-time raytracing -
>granted, we are not talking 1024x768 256 color here......
>Remember, the 56001 IS capable of 16 MIPS, about as 1/2 to 2/3 as fast as a
>33Mhz external, 60Mhz internal '040.....

AT> Look here, Chris.  Maybe you need a dose of reality.
AT>There is no way a 56001 can do realtime raytracing.  The
AT>only thing that I've seen that can do realtime raytracing
AT>is an AT&T Pixel Machine with 64 real floating-point DSPs,
AT>and that was at 256x256 with one plane and one sphere and
AT>one light source.  That information you have must be pretty
AT>bad.

 Don't even waste your time. With Atari droping like a sack of patatoes. And no
real true stats on the Atari Falcon, these wishful users are clinging onto any
bit of information (rumours) they can get their hands on.

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From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Palettes and stuff (was Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:04:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.,  Cupertino, CA

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0lgi@telepro.UUCP> 
James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
> The Quadra comes with 512K of VRAM standard. Pray tell how are you going 
to
> generate a 24bit image at 800 x 600 with that amount of VRAM? 
> 
> Yes - you CAN put in more VRAM. In our case, we had to drive a 21 inch
> monitor, so what would have been the point. The fact is, our Quadra, as 
it
> came out of the box, would not even run our 16" monitor in 24 bit 
colour. 

Actually, only one Quadra model comes with 512K of VRAM.  The others come 
with 1 MB.  All are expandable to 2 MB.  This was done so as not to burden 
users who don't need 24 bits/pixel with the added memory costs.  (If you 
really need 24 bits/pixel, all that's necessary is simply adding a few 
VRAM SIMMs.)  And your Quadra 700 would drive a 21 inch monitor straight 
from the box (although only at 4 bits/pixel).

Just out of curiosity,  do you know of any PCs that will drive a 16" 
display (presumably at something like 832 x 624 resolution) at 24 
bits/pixel configured just as they come out of the box?

- Dale Adams
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