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From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Lightning hazard
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:18:50 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <92238@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>In article <4038@news.duke.edu> brs@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>>I swim with a team at an indoor, city owned pool.  Whenever there
>>is an electrical storm during practice, (like last night)
>>they make us get out, claiming there is the possibility of us 
>>getting electrocuted. 
>
>
>A lightning strike of the ground can travel through the plumbing of
>the pool and into the water itself.  Water is an efficient conductor
>of electricty and the current can travel through your body.  Experts
>even recommend that you don't bathe or wash during violent electrical
>storms for the same reasons.
>

SORRY, I don't think so.. Electricity follows the path of least resistance
to ground. That path should not be through copper pipes, into water, and to
ground.. IF the pool/building/power system is properly grounded (BIG IF I GUESS)
then swimming during a lightening storm should be safe.

But, being a public pool I would guess they are following the better safe than
sorry policy.

No flames please. Just my undergraduate physics minor surfacing again.

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
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From: jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: FAQ??
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:39:32 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver


I am relatively new to the system and was wondering if there is a "FAQ"
maintained in this group.  If so, where can I find it?

Thanks in advance.
Jim
From: jmains@latech.edu (John P. Mains)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Budgames
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:56:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

I am a competitive swimmer down here in Louisiana and I was
Just wondering, is there anyone out
there as annoyed at the so called budgames
as I am?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 07:49:08 CDT
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: freestyle kick effort
Distribution: usa

In article <PAN.92Jul22142229@panda.Stanford.EDU>, pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug
Pan) says:
>
>The faster swimmers in the pool seem to kick fewer cycles (left/right)
>per arm cycle and it is not uncommon to see swimmers with a one-kick
>cycle.  I've even seen a few not kicking altogether.  I have a
>three-kick cycle.  Wonder if you have any experience/insights on this
>matter to share?
>
I'm a believer in (and user of) two- and four-beat kicks, what you call
one- and two-cycle.  You don't get much propulsion from your legs in
the freestyle; mostly they just compensate for the motion of your arms
to stabilize your stroke.  If your arms aren't moving very fast (i.e.,
you aren't moving very fast) you don't need as much from your legs.
As your arms work faster, you need more kicks per arm cycle to compensate.
In an all-out sprint (e.g., 50's or the fast part of fartleks [sp?]), use
6-beats.  For middle distance (e.g., 500 reps in practice), use 4-beat for
most, switching to 6-beat for a hard finish.  For longer distances (e.g.,
anything > 1000's), which along with middle distance fartleks is mostly
all I do, use 2-beat for most, "gearing-up" to 4- and then 6-beats for
a hard finish.
     I've been doing 2- and 4-beat kicks for so long (~20 years) that I
don't remember how I taught myself to do them.  I suspect you should just
start painfully slow and concentrate on your kick until you get the feeling.
I don't make a conscious decision to gear-up my kick, it just happens as
I gear-up to faster strokes.

     I haven't followed swimming mechanics theory for years but this has
worked well for me for a long time.  If this is contrary to current ideas
please send copies of flames via e-mail.  I'm off on vacation tomorrow and
Usenet will have turned-over by the time I get back (and this terminal
doesn't fit in my backpack).

  -- Chuck Amsler
     U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Masters Swimming
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:48:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

I lived in Connecticut until 2 years ago, and I swam with the Conn Masters for
abotu 3 years before I left for California.  I am just wondering if anyone on
this net is involved in the Conn Masters Swimming.  I would like to get in 
touch since I am curious how my old friends are doing.  I have not received 
a newsletter for a while.

If anyone of you reads this please send a message to:

bucur@pollux.usc.edu

I'll be waiting for some messages, Sasha.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: dtian@utdallas.edu (Dan Tian)
Subject: The use of drugs by Chinese female swimmers in the game?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:21:33 GMT

There is a heated discussion about the use of drugs by the Chinese 
swimmers in the game in soc.culture.china.

My question to the net is: How the drug test is conducted in the game?
Do you guys noticed any unusual physical features on those swimmers?

Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males? 
I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

--dan--
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: billw@ace.mentorg.com (Bill Wright)
Subject: Where can I swim laps
Originator: billw@ace
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:25:40 GMT
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: billw@sjc.mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


Does anyone know where I can go and swim some laps?  Or where I can
find out this information?  I would like the place to either me
near work (880 and 101) or near home which is in south San Jose near
the IBM plant at Santa Teresa and Cottle Road.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated!

Bill 
227-5835 (home)
451-5557 (work)


-- 
             Bill Wright / bill_wright@mentorg.com

                  "When in doubt, run it out!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Spitz Could Have Done It If Only He Had ....
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Keywords: Spitz
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:26:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1003@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
>
>Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
>to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
>even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
>afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
>it can't be done!"
>
>Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
>article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
>perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
>that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
>for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
>making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
>he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
>trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
>Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.
>
>Bruce Cheney

it should be noted that phil whitten is a doctor of philosophy in history
not sports psyhiology or biomedical engineering. he is presently on sab-
bactical from harvard and writing a book about swimming. phil is a member 
of New England Masters and has organized a dual fax meet between NEM and
Kiev, of the former soviet union, masters the past two years. a truly unique
event. my russian medal from the first meet is one of my most prized poss-
essions. 
i do not want to distract from the original post for i agree with phil's
assessment that if spitz had stuck with it his odds at making the cut would
have been much greater. it was a good article and reflects phil's impeccable
research and attention to detail. i think he knows a bit about swimming
also ;).

take care,
james, peters@convex.com
From: lkc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Lee Casuto)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:56:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Spitz Could Have Done It If Only He Had ....
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

> Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
> to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
> even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
> afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
> it can't be done!"
> 
> Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
> article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
> perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
> that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
> for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
> making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
> he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
> trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
> Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.
> 
> Bruce Cheney
> ----------
> 

I can't remember where I found this out, talk show, news paper article,
wherever...

It seems that during his training, Spitz slacked off during the workouts.
(Like in skipping portions of sets, then claiming to have done the set.)
I remember the interviewer stating their disappointment in the attitude 
presented.  I'm sure the layoff hurt, but I believe the attitude problem
was a bigger obstacle.  Whether Spitz could have gotten fast enough to
qualify is another story entirely.

l\
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lightning hazard
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:50:43 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <4038@news.duke.edu> brs@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>I swim with a team at an indoor, city owned pool.  Whenever there
>is an electrical storm during practice, (like last night)
>they make us get out, claiming there is the possibility of us 
>getting electrocuted. 


A lightning strike of the ground can travel through the plumbing of
the pool and into the water itself.  Water is an efficient conductor
of electricty and the current can travel through your body.  Experts
even recommend that you don't bathe or wash during violent electrical
storms for the same reasons.

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: bfbrown@athena.mit.edu (Brian 'Cool' Brown)
Subject: Swimming in Boston
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:14:22 GMT

I am looking for a couple things in Boston:

a sporting goods store that sells more than two kinds of goggles and
more than four suits.

an OUTDOOR pool within a reasonable drive in which I would be able to swim
weekday mornings (with a membership, I suppose).

any suggestions??

-BB
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Question from a curious person watching the Olympics....
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:32:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts, no that isn't rght, well you know if you're reading this
Organization: University of Virginia



I am not much of a swimmer, but I am watching a lot of it during the
Olympics and have seen quite a bit in the past, and I am merely
posting to this group to ask some questions, of any synchronized
swimmers who might be reading this:

1.  How difficult is it?
2.  What are the requirements?
3.  How long do you have to hold your breath?
4.  How long can you hold your breath?
5.  What's the most difficult thing about the sport?
6.  How is it scored?
7.  How do you increase your underwater times?
8.  Who are the favorites next week?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: mjt@iedv7.acd.com ( Mark Teegarden      )
Subject: Re: Swimming Pool Water Quality: Combined Chlorine
Keywords: chlorine, baquacil, biosoft
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:51:06 GMT

Your levels of combined chlorine do seem mighty low for a public pool.
Residential (private) pools can probably maintain those low levels of
combined chlorine if they don't have as many people in and out of the
pool and if they don't get an algae problem started. I don't see how
any institution can maintain a pool with levels that low and keep it
open to more than 10 people.

On a different note: has your friend with the allergic reactions tried
swimming in a pool that uses a non-chlorine sanitizer like Baquacil or
Biosoft. I have a friend here at work who gets an itchy rash when
exposed to chlorine. When I get my pool switched over to Baquacil, I
was going to invite him over for a test drive to see if he experienced
the same reactions. (disclaimer: I am not endorsing that product, 1. I
haven't tried it yet. 2. It is the only non-chlorine sanitizer
available in my town presently.) The dealer I spoke with has said that
the Baquacil system has been EPA approved for residential use, but not
for commercial use yet as there is no automatic feeder designed for
this.

Has anybody else had any bad or good luck with a non-chlorine sanitizer?

--Mark
-- 
        --              --
Mark Teegarden
mjt@acd.com   uunet!acd4!mjt   acd4!mjt@uunet.UU.NET  (812)-232-6051 XT2032
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimming Pool Water Quality: Combined Chlorine
Keywords: chlorine, baquacil, biosoft
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:04:36 GMT
Distribution: usa

murphym@bclcl1.im.battelle.org writes:
>>Analysis of water samples for pH, free chlorine, and total
>>chlorine over a period of four months showed that the pH was
>>generally 7.7 to 8.1 and the free chlorine was gennerally 0.5 to 1.5
>>ppm.  However, the combined chlorine levels ranged from 0.3 to 2.0
>>ppm, and were usually 1.8 to 2.0 ppm.  High levels of combined chlorine
>>are reported to imply lots of irritating chlorinated hydrocarbons and
>>chloramines in the water.

mjt@iedv7.acd.com ( Mark Teegarden      ) writes:
>Your levels of combined chlorine do seem mighty low for a public pool.
>Residential (private) pools can probably maintain those low levels of
>combined chlorine if they don't have as many people in and out of the
>pool and if they don't get an algae problem started. I don't see how
>any institution can maintain a pool with levels that low and keep it
>open to more than 10 people.

Um, it seems there is some confusion in terminology here (possibly my
own, corrections are welcome).  In short, to my knowledge "combined
chlorine" is bad stuff (or at least an indicator of bad stuff), and
you want its level to be low.  However, I recall this term being
confused often with "total chlorine".

Here's the terminology for chlorine levels as I understand it:

Free Chlorine:  concentration of uncombined hypochlorite (OCl) ions
Combined Chlorine:  conc. of OCl ions combined into larger molecules
Total Chlorine:  sum of the above two concentrations

The type of test kit I'm used to measures free chlorine (with reagents
1 and 2) and total chlorine (after adding reagent 3).  The combined
chlorine level is thus the difference between these two numbers.

Anyhow, as I told the original poster privately, combined chlorine
levels of 1.8-2.0 sound way too high to me.  I'm used to a level of
0.1-0.2, though my experience is with outdoor pools and I expect it
tends to run higher in indoor pools.  The free chlorine and pH above
look fine to me.

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: The use of drugs by Chinese female swimmers in the game?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:12:09 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

> Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males? 
> I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

Ya, I've wondered about this for some time.  I remember when the Ben
Johnson thing blew up, the local press went wild with interviewing coaches
and athletes from several sports.  The one quote that sticks out in my mind
reportedly came from a swim coach in Washington State who said that if
you give steroids to male swimmers you don't get much, but given to a female
swimmer you get a female swimming like a male.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Subject: Places to Swim publication
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:18:09 GMT

United States Masters Swimming publishes a 32 page document called
"Places to Swim."  It lists in rather small type places to swim across
the United States.  Some areas of the country are represented better
than others, and it's a good idea to call the listed phone number for
the pool before you go to make sure the hours are correct. The listing
gives both pools with Masters programs and pools where you can lap 
swim.  This is indispensible if you travel alot.  

The publication is available by sending a check for $5.00 made out
to USMS, to the USMS National Office, 2 Peter Ave., Rutland, MA 01543

Julie Paque
USMS Rule Book Editor
Admin. V-Chair, Pacific Masters Swimming
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: freestyle kick effort
Date: 23 Jul 1992 16:19:51 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <PAN.92Jul22142229@panda.Stanford.EDU> pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan) writes:
#>I go fairly fast and don't get winded while use floats between my legs
#>to practice freestyle pulling.  I can also make good headway on a
#>kickboard.  However, when I discard the floats and kickboard, I feel
#>that my legs are taking up a lot of energy and have to breath much
#>harder.  The worse part is that even though my legs may be working
#>hard, I don't seem to be going much faster than pulling with floats.
#>
#>The faster swimmers in the pool seem to kick fewer cycles (left/right)
#>per arm cycle and it is not uncommon to see swimmers with a one-kick
#>cycle.  I've even seen a few not kicking altogether.  I have a
#>three-kick cycle.  Wonder if you have any experience/insights on this
#>matter to share?
#>
#>--Doug

I'll repeat something I posted some time ago. The crucial factor
in kicking is your age. Doc Counsilman did a study on kicking vs.
age and found that after about the age of 30, because the
circulation diminishes first to the legs which are distant from
the heart, the kick begins to go. Therefore, it is especially
important to work on you after 30 in order to maintain
that circulation as much as possible. Pulling is, therefore,
counterproductive because it's easier to pull than to swim
if you are over 30 or thereabouts.

If you are asking about kicking during a race, that's not the
same issue. Kicking uses up a lot of energy; so sprinters kick
a lot more than distance swimmers. Young distance swimmers or
those in exceptionally good shape may kick hard, even a 6-beat
kick, for an entire race. We older folk usually can't maintain
a fast kick over long distances. When you speak of a three-kick
cycle, I presume you mean three kicks per half a stroke (or
movement of one arm). Moving one arm is half a stroke (since
a stroke is considered the full movement of both arms). That
would be what is commonly known as a 6-beat kick, six kicks
per complete arm stroke. Usually you see either a 6-beat or
a 2-beat kick. I recall that Murray Rose, at the advanced age
of 29, when he won the 1500 meters at the Olympics used a
2-beat kick most of the way.

Steve Goldfield
From: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: The use of drugs by Chinese female swimmers in the game?
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:24:12 GMT
Reply-To: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul28.212133.11768@utdallas.edu> dtian@utdallas.edu (Dan Tian) writes:

>Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males? 
>I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

Haven't you heard the story of the identical urine samples. 
Apparently women are able to hide test tubes of other people's urine where
polite people don't look.

--
When soldiers form lines or hollow squares, you call it reason.
When wild geese in flight take the form of a letter V, you say instinct.
When the homogeneous atoms of a mineral arrange themselves into shapes
mathematically perfect you have nothing to say. You have not even invented a name to conceal your heroic unreason."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: The use of drugs by Chinese female swimmers in the game?
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:05:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.212133.11768@utdallas.edu> dtian@utdallas.edu (Dan Tian) writes:
>
>My question to the net is: How the drug test is conducted in the game?

	I remember there was a thread on this topic a while ago.  The 
conclusion is that swimmers have to remain in the pool after the race 
and piss with the body facing the wall with built-in drug test device.
But I did NOT notice people pissing after their swims.  :)  Besides, I
don't think they change the water after every race.  Then where does
the urine go.

>I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

	An article in Runner's World (Oct '91?) with a study of cheaters 
in Marathons claimed that most of the cheaters in athletic (or maybe just
marathoning) competicions are male.  Psychologosts said that it's because
males have a much stronger emphasis on winning, while the females focus
more on real performance.

Cheers,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|    Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)                 <>    Enjoying Summer in NYC.     |
|    hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu        <>    Happy running and swimming. |
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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: new swimsuits
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:09:59 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

> 	All US swimmers were issued these suits including the men.
> My thoughts are that since no one set any incredible times with them,
> they started going back to the standard paper suits.  None of the
> men have worn them since day one and more of the women have also gone
> back to the paper suit.
> 	Nelson Diebel (100m breaststroke champion) had his suit a month
> ago and said he loved it.  In fact he also said, "It makes me feel like
> I'm naked."  I was then surprised to see him in a normal suit in both
> prelims and finals.

I'm not surprised that they are not using them, particularly the men, since
the Olympics come along only once every four years.  There's too much pressure
to try something that new.  If the suit is to go, I think we will see it emerge
over the next couple of years.
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: British Breaststrokers/Gold is Barrowman
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:28:39 GMT
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com

In article 96p@newcastle.ac.uk, I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk ( Ian Alexander Inman) writes:
>
>Now all Barrowman virtually needs to do is to turn up on the day, to
>have the gold placed around his neck (though with swimming, you never
>know - there are still some other good Americans to challenge him).

What about Roque Santos?  Roque is one of those hardworking, hungry
swimmers who can really surprise people.  Besides that, he beat
Barrowman at the Olympic Trials.  If Barrowman wins the gold, he's 
going to have to EARN it.


Tim
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