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From: pazzani@pan.ics.uci.edu (Michael Pazzani)
Subject: English riding lessons in Sydney?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:02:53 GMT

In January, I'm starting a three month sabbatical to the University of
Sydney.  Can anyone recommend a place where my daughters (age 10 and
12) can continue their English riding lessons?  We arrive January 10
and I've promised my daughter that we'd find a place by her birthday
(the 19th).

Thanks
Mike Pazzani
pazzani@ics.uci.edu

P.S. Sorry I can't find a way from California to restrict this message
just to Australia.

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From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:21:23 GMT

In article <92322.29954.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!
>
>Diane & Spring & Dancer

Well, actually, the Black himself was never in the Kentucky Derby.  And,
the reason for entering him in the match race in the first book was
precisely because that was the only race a non-registered horse
could be run in.  As far as the books after that, I understood it as
a combination of artistic license and the fact that Alec did know
the Black's lineage once the horse had been re-claimed by his rightful
owner, and then of course bequeathed to Alec upon the sheik's death.

I know Walter Farley was young when his first book was published, but
I seem to remember that he was a freshman in college  (about 18 or 19).

For any other fans of the Black who may not have heard (it didn't seem 
to be in the news), Farley died a few years ago.  He was working on
a book about the Black's young years (before meeting Alec), which
was completed by Farley's son.  It is called _The Young Black Stallion_
if I remember correctly, and was a fairly good read, but not as good
as I seem to recall tthe rest of the series being.  I'm not sure if that
may just have been becuase I've rather outgrown the series a long time
ago or if it actually wasn't quite up to par (perhaps because it
was partially written by Farley's son?).

On a related note: quite a while back a great horsey reading list
was compiled by this newsgroup.  I've lost my copy, does anyone
still have it?

Kristin
-- 
wcollins@netcom.netcom.com  < Walt Collins / Kristin Harvey >
1011 New Hope St., #12-C  |  Norristown, PA  19401  |  (215)277-2567
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From: kkg@ldgo.columbia.edu (Karen Gunther)
Subject: TEAM PENNING
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:47:02 GMT

Saturday Night  7pm  Gardnertown Farm, Newburgh,NY
Newly formed Tri-State Team Penning Association
Will take entries at 6pm
Team Penning Jackpot  $30.00 per person
50% Payback

One on One Jackpot  $20.00 per person
50% Payback

SATURDAY  21 November

Directions from Interstate 84  exit at 7N
(Route 300)  go north approximately 3 miles
Past Police Station and Church to dirt
drive with wooden sign Gardnertown Farm
Farm is on right side of road

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Heaves (was: Feeding Old Horses)(LONG)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers
Keywords: heaves

In article <1992Nov17.050416.23938@nmsu.edu>, kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu
(Kenneth Carver) writes:
|> again.  In no time, his heaves came back.  I reluctantly put all the
|> horses on Respond, and once again, he was symptom-free in a couple days.

The first time I put him on Rebound, there was such a dramatic difference that
I couldn't believe it!!!!.  I'm glad someone else got the same result.

|> and doing fine at age 27.  I can only surmise that New Jersey's air
|> pollution may have been a factor.

I'm glad you mentioned this as this is my pet theory for Bub's heaves.
Bub is the second horse that I have owned who developed heaves.  Both lived
primarily at my parent's house, which is situated on a cliff <2 miles away from
and above a major highway.  Both horses were fairly old (>18yrs) when they
developed heaves.

|> What is annoying is that none of the veterinarians I consulted had
|> suggested the special feed.  I hate to suggest it, but the profit
|> motive may be involved.  Achieving a "cure" with feed makes purchasing

My vet strongly suggested a complete pellet, but Bub *hates* pellets.
She wasn't aware of Rebound.  Also, she suggested MSM which another vet had
been successful with and I bought that via catalog, with no profit to the 
practice.  On the other hand, I know a practice in the area that *would* stoop
to such measures, but basically I think that heaves is just one of those things
where there isn't a terrible amount of research going on and there are no new 
developments in treatment, and vets would rather spend time on more acute 
illnesses.  They tend to view heaves as a management problem rather than a 
treatable illness.

|> hours of its arrival at her farm, every horse was returned to useful
|> working condition...and remained that way as long as the program was

I was under the impression that as a result of the overload of histimines from
the allergic reaction, the alveoli in the lungs are damaged irreparably.  In a
less severe case, the efficiency of the healthy portion of the lung can be 
increased to compensate for the damage, but a severely damaged lung can never
recover.  Am I mistaken???  Can I dare to hope that I can rehabilitate Bub
somewhat????  Has anyone out there been able to return a seriously heavey horse
to work??? Let me know!!!

Thanks for the input!

Mary McHugh
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Walter Farley and Glenn Randall
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:18:01 GMT
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Another random note on The Black Stallion

I have a book that shows the AHSA champions of 1974.  Cass Ole is
in there as AHSA Champion Arabian Pleasure horse.  He showed western,
english, and parade.

He has a white star and four white socks.

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Black Stallion
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:58:06 GMT

I've not read any of Walter Farley's books, but I think the film of
"The Black Stallion" is truly wonderful.  I have seen it at least a
dozen times and I'm gonna watch it again next time the opportunity
arises.  I have a video of it, but no player -- probably just as
well!

Why does the film appeal so much to me?  I guess the horse himself,
the photography and sheer artlessness of the story account for most
of it.  No other horse movie I've seen comes close, including the
sequel.  (I know more than one horse plays the part of The Black, but
I prefer to think of it as one horse.)

Francis
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: White Spots from Injurys?
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:13:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov13.163546.1@stsci.edu> rewald@stsci.edu writes:
>In article <92318.33881.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, 
>                 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>"The Color of The Horse" by Dr. Ben Green might be useful here.  It's an older
>book, but still being published.  Dr Green did a study on horse colors, and
>found, among other things, that all horses only produce one pigment!  The
>different colors come from the internal structure of the hairs, and how they
>pick up the pigment.  This is all from memory (I haven't gotten around to
>ordering my own copy yet), so correct me if I get the details wrong.  There

Is this the same author who wrote "Horse Tradin'"?  The name rings a
bell and I have some vague memory of the author being a veterinarian.
I really enjoyed that book.   


--
Rudy Vener uucp: att!mtqua!rudy  internet: rudy@mtqua.att.com
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:17:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Horse breakdown potential
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Hello Tony,

This is a tough one to answer I think, because all horses are different.
It is similar to people.  Some people/horses are more prone to illnesses,
etc.  I am a new horse owner (about 9 months now) and I've been pretty
lucky so far.  I have not had a vet out except for the pre-purchase 
examine and Ginger's shots.  So far she seems to be a pretty healthy horse.

Of course it also depends on where they are kept and things of that nature.
Horses in pasture seem to get a few more cuts and scrapes due to little
differences of opinions with each other.  

I'd be real curious to hear what others have to say on this matter.

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Pigeon Toed Sweetness
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:10:07 GMT

>Original Message From: Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu>

>I was just wondering if anyone else had a horse that had been pigeon toed.
>We knew she was when we got her and she vet checked fine and the vet also
>said this would not cause her to lame up or have problems with her legs.
>Thanks.

My 14 years old Morgan Mare is pigeon toed (more noticeable at some times
than others, depending on how she's standing). She has never been lame in
the nearly 4 years I've owned her and she was successfully campaigned in
"A" Morgan Breed shows in English Pleasure Harness and Saddleseat classes
before I got her. The only time I know of that she went lame was when they
"trimmed" her long show feet too severely. She was fine once they grew out
to a more normal (for her) length. Before anyone flames, they are not long
now.

Spring is EXTREMELY sure-footed on the trails. She does "paddle" at the
trot as many Morgan do, but I believe (as with Pasos) that makes for a
VERY smooth gait.

From my experience, I would say unless there are other problems, it
shouldn't be a concern.

Best of luck,

Diane and Spring and her 19 mo colt, Dancer.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:12:37 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov17.220836.5144@synapse.bms.com>, detoro@synapse.bms.com (Dave Detoro) writes:
> Last spring we planted about two acres of pasture for our horse and pony.  
> It came in pretty well but it didnt seem to get real thick.  By the end 
> of the summer we had to supplement their feeding with hay.  Just about 
> 2 weeks ago we took them off of the pasture.  I assumed we would keep 
> them off until the spring figuring this would help the pasture come in 
> better next year.  However someone just told me we might as well let 
> them stay on it all winter that it wont make any difference.  If this 
> is true we would rather since it will give them more room to romp and 
> at least some grass to nibble on.  
> 

No, you are going to have much better grass if you keep them off it until
well into the spring.  Otherwise their hooves will chew up the ground and
keep the roots from developing properly.  You wot get good pasture until
the grass has developed a good root system and it won't develop it in less
than a year or so.

Sue

> Can anyone help in this decision ?  If it makes any difference, we dont 
> normally get much snow around here.
> 
> Dave   
>  
> 
> -- 
> ==============================================================
>  Dave Detoro     net: detoro@bms.com   work #: (609) 252-5990
> ==============================================================   
> 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1992Nov13.150930.20495@yang.earlham.edu>,
alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.161147.39619@watson.ibm.com>,
mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes: 
|> > Well, maybe $150, but what ARE you feeding, and how many horses????!!!!!
|> 
|> Several people have questioned this; none have said "You're lying,
Alan." and I
|> appreciate that.  Anyway, I have a lot of pasture, 10-20 acres of
good grass,
|> and I rotate my horses a lot.  I feed around 60 bales of decent grass hay a
|> winter, along with some grain (about 1.5 lbs a day) more or less all
year.  I
|> have two horses.  My horses have a barn they can go in, but they
rarely use it
|> unless there is oats in there or something.

 Actually, I had guessed you had plenty of pasture ... but how much is
grain where
you are??  I pay about $12-$15 / 100lb for Blue Seal sweet feed, and
$3.25/bag (*OUCH*) for bedding, $2.65/bale for grass hay.  You can bet
that my horses are out most of the time in their 3 acre field (and they
can go in the barn anytime, too).  In years past, I have always left my
two out (even Wilbur my jumper) 24 hrs. all year except during thunder
storms and bitter cold /sleeting conditions.  With Bub's heaves and
reluctance to eat, tho, I have been forced to stall them each night (so
Wilbur won't chow down on Bub's grub) hence the bedding costs.
 
|> 
|> There were also some (e-mail) comments about the "if you aren't going
to take
|> care of your horse, you should have one" comment I made.  This was
too strong
|> on my part.

To board or to take care of your own is a personal decision.  I prefer
to take care of my own because I can tell right away when something is
amiss (you'd be amazed about how much you can tell about their health
just from the poops ;^) and because I just plain enjoy it.  It's not for
everybody. 

Joy's comments about this subject reminded me about what happened to my
sister-in-law.  She had two colts (1 & 2 yr) from the same mare and she
began to coddle them excessively.  One time, in the middle of a hot
summer day, a severe thunderstorm came up (hail & all that) and she
couldn't get home so the two got soaked in the field.  They both came
down with horrible colds while the rest of the horses who were used to
being out came thru the storm just fine.  Once they recovered, she
decided that she was wrong, and they went back to being "regular" horses
and were much healthier & happier.  

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule -- I know some horses that
are better off inside! 

Mary McHugh (and Bubba who is wishing he could live with Alan & his 20
acres and
             Wilbur who is happy anywhere as long as Bub is in sight )

P.S. I figured that @$12/100 lb & 1.5 lb/horse/day you spend $135 on
grain a year, so I guess $200 is not unreasonable, assuming about
$1/bale for hay.  Do you bale your own hay?
From: walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Storing leather tack
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: auducadm.walkepl.8.722100465
Organization: Auburn University

In article <1ebh4iINNnlo@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
>Subject: Re: Storing leather tack
>Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:28:18 GMT

>In article <1ebe5nINN2vn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to properly store unused
>>tack

>I have an article from Practical Horseman at home that gives several
>options.  I'll try to find it.  What I did was to clean with glycerine
>saddle soap and then coat everything with vaseline, wrap in newspaper
>(so it can breathe) and store in a trunk in a relatively dry location
>(which in Houston means inside my air conditioned house).

>-Sarah Pallas

I was always told that vaseline (or any petroleum product) would break down
the fibers in leather, and never to use it on tack.  Anyone know if this is
true???

Paula Walker
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 11:54:03 EST
From: <HEIDIH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: "brumbies"

I saw this show also a year or two back. Stayed with me for weeks and still pop
s into my mind every now and then; there simply must be a better solution. Have
 you read that Alaska is planning on using the same methods on their wolves
? They're going to 'play God' in hopes of pumping up the deer, moose, elk popul
ation and thereby bring in more tourism dollars (hunting, sightseeing). Is anyo
ne on-line that can give more info on the 'brombies?' Is this practice still co
ntinuing?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:09:45 GMT


In article <1ecb04INNpv8@gap.caltech.edu>, deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:


> The cross-country course in question is at a facility which primarily
> produces hunters and jumpers and which hosts an annual Jumping Derby.
> The Derby combines cross-country type fences with knockdown show jumping
> fences.

Was this at Foxfield?

> 
> Does anyone have any practical experience/opinions with the safety 
> of schooling over "knock-down solid obstacles" for a horse which
> is expected to event over "true solid obstacles"?

I don't have much experience with eventers--and my current horse is a jumper,
but...I know that my horse doesn't like to hit fences and is naturally careful
schooling or in shows even though the fences come down quite easily.  The
rails and planks typically used in the jumper ring are a lot lighter than
the telephone pole you described, so I would guess that hitting the pole
is a sufficiently unpleasant experience by itself.

Diane R.
From: kloomis@cco.caltech.edu (Kate E. Loomis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey Dinner Theatres
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:45:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

jlkershner@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kersh!) writes:

>> Medieval Times down there is muchlike the earlier description. I must
>> admit I was a bit upset when I noticed that the swords were easily
>> bent! But, I suppose that's for safety purposes!! 

>In the half time show, there was a sword fight "to win the hand of the 
>beautiful princess."  I got to see the swords up close and personal.  They are 
>not cheap nor flimsey.  On of the knights told us the swords cost $750 each.  
>Anyway, during the "fight" at half time, on of the knights struck suck a hard 
>blow against the other's sword that he sliced it in two!  He actually cut the 
>top foot and a half off!  (Just for the record, this was NOT planned.)

>Well, I do recommend going to Medieval Times if you are in Florida.  It is a 
>lot of fun, good food, and wonderful entertainment.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jen Kershner				|   "There are two kinds of horses in	
>					|    the world, Quarter Horses and
>JLKERSHNER@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU	|    other horses."
>					|               -- annon
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>--Jen

Does anybody have any other stories about "unforseen events" occuring
during these performances? I saw a jousting exhibition at a Rennaissance
Faire this last spring where the choreography definitely did _not_ 
go according to plan. I've seen a half-dozen of these jousting shows, 
and they are usually quite tame. The jousters do some agility exericises,
trying to hook rings with their lances, then they make a few passes 
at each other, ending after three or four with one of the riders quite
clumsily and deliberately sliding from his horse. It was all so 
predictable! The lances broke easily, so there really wasn't any force
transmitted to the other rider. At least, that is what usually happens!
But the exhibition I saw this June - My Oh MY! On the first pass, one
rider hit the other rider square in the chest, and knocked him FLYING!!
Everybody cheered because they thought it was supposed to happen!  Then
it got quiet for a minute, while the poor man just laid there and didn't
move. Can you imagine, one minute being on a 17+ hand horse, the next 
finding yourself flying through the air in full (metal) armor! To his 
credit, he staggered to his feet and completed the hand to hand part
of the show, but he was obviously stunned and must've had the breath
knocked out of him. Sheesh. I don't think I would volunteer for one of
those shows after that!

Kate
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Storing leather tack
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:09:43 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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In article <walkepl.8.722100465@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu> walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker) writes:
>
>I was always told that vaseline (or any petroleum product) would break down
>the fibers in leather, and never to use it on tack.  Anyone know if this is
>true???

All I can tell you is that my tack looks fine after 9 months of
storage.  The woman who suggested this in the article was the head of
a big show barn (I think for some Olympic level rider) and they had a
separate set of tack that went to Florida every season and was stored
in the meantime.  Of course, just because she does it doesn't mean
it's the right thing to do.  Again, I'll try to remember to look for
the other methods in the article (when I have a spare moment, hah!).

-Sarah Pallas


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dlambert@eng.auburn.edu (Dave Lambert)
Subject: Horse Bill of Sale
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:19:31 GMT

As some of you may remember, I just purchased my first horse.  I was
wondering if someone out there would suggest the wording for a bill
of sale.  I know the guy who sold me Sam personally, so I don't need
a legally "air tight" bill of sale, but I would appreciate a piece
of paper declaring the sale.

I know many of you buy and sell horses often, so I would appreciate
any ideas.  Thanks!

Dave Lambert
& Sam
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabian Nights Dinner Theatre
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:22:27 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 



As for Arabian Nights, I'm fairly sure it is an affilate of Al-Marah Arabians,
INHO the very best Arabian breeder in the country.  Al-Marah has the same
bloodlines as my mare Quality and I am trying very hard to get one of their
stallions leased by the stud farm in North Carolina so I can breed to him.  

If they said it was The Black Stallion, it quite likely was.  The stallion
in the movie was NOT played by a mare, but by a stallion named Cass Ole, with
some assistance from a couple of other black stallions that were used as
doubles for some scenes.  

All the horses at Al-Marah are domestic Arabians (as opposed to other blood
lines such as Polish, Spanish, and Old and New Egyptian).  I prefer domestic
Arabians, they tend to be much more 'people horses' than any of the other
bloodlines, except the Old Egyptians.....

Sue

Just my HO.