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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:33:52 EST
From: <RFM@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: I'm sick of off-white computers!

In article <1992Dec18.105907@IASTATE.EDU>, jelast@IASTATE.EDU (Jim Last) says:
>
>        Yes, I realize this is a trivial and meaningless
>question, (especially when you have such earth-shattering
>topics to deal with, such as "My Mac's better than your PC"
>and the like)* but I was wondering how easy is it to order a
>PC clone in some other color than off-white.
>        I'm a big fan of the NeXT and their contemporary black
>design, and even the Zenith Data System configurations that I've
>seen are a really neato "bone" color.
>        So in short, could someone humor me and let me know
>if most PC dealers can supply different "colored" systems.
>I'd really appreciate the information.
>
Nothing stopping you from getting a can of paint and a brush and
putting on your own designer color. :-) I'd suggest rust-o-leum in
heat resistant mix ....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.laptops
From: comptec91025@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Ian Hobday)
Subject: Use 110V,60Hz equip at 100V,60Hz??
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:21:50 GMT

    I will be travelling to Japan in early January for an extended stay.  I 
will probably be taking a TI TM2000 notebook computer and Canon Bubblejet 
printer with me.  Where I will be living (Osaka) the power is 100V, 60Hz.  
The equipment is designed for 110V, 60Hz.  Is this going to cause any 
problems, either immediately, or over the long term?  If so, does anyone have
any recomendations for power converters? 
    Some areas of Japan use 50Hz power.  What would I need in order to be
able to plug in there?
    Finally, all their plugs are non-polarized, will this make any
difference? 

Ian.
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From: martling@phage.cshl.org (Jim Martling)
Subject: seagate ST-4144R
Summary: Need info on SEAGATE ST-4144R, Please.
Keywords: harddisk,disk,seagate,4144R
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:57:38 GMT



	I was just given a Seagate ST-4144R 80MB hard disk, without
	documentation.

	Does this drive have a predefined drive type for a PC-AT Setup?
	If not, can someone send me the information I need for a successful
	installation?

		THANK YOU very much -

(o)-(x)
   ..
\______/   Yea!

				martling@cshl.org
From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Ati Ultra Pro question
Keywords: ati ultra pro
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:20:03 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <bgupta.724039623@micro> bgupta@micro.caltech.edu (Bhusan Gupta) writes:

>I installed build50 from the ati bbs. I also changed from winbench2.5 to
>winbench3.1. My performance (terms of Winmarks) has gone from 30M(2.5) to 15M
>in Winbench3.1. Has anybody gotten better performance than this (for

Have you tried benchmarking the card with the WinBench 2.5. If I am not
mistaken, in WinBench 3.1 they added some tests that use text (which I have
heard the ATI Ultras are not too good at). Maybe that's the problem.
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From: insom@galaxy.ucr.edu (Chris Ulrich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: (S)VGA or any graphics card that can do 64khz horiz?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:24:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside


  Are there any graphics cards besides the really expensive ones from
Number Nine, Matrox, and Artist, which can generate a 64khz horiz freq
signal?
  I have an old sony 1901 which I would like to use with my computer,
but unfortunatly, there are no graphics cards which can drive this seven
year old monitor.
  Every VGA based card I have looked at is only capable of driving up
to a 61khz monitor, which is useless.
  Does anyone have any ideas?
thanks much
chris
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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar 24 vs Diamond Stealth
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:13:51 GMT

mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:

>reggie@sansyr.psy.syr.edu (Reginald J. Roberts) writes:


>>Hi everyone:

>>I just read something that completely floored me.  Computer Shopper  
>>ran a piece on windows accelerators, claiming that the Diamond  
>>Speedstar 24 performed better overall than the ATI Graphics Ultra on  
>>Windows and Dos tasks at 256 colors and 800 x 600 res.  What about  
>>the Stealth?  Is the Speedstar 24, a cheaper card than the Stealth,  
>>really the one to buy for casual windows and dos usage at 800 x 600  
>>or 1024 x 768?  If anyone would care to illuminate I would appreciate  
>>it.

The Speedstar 24X (emphasis on the 'X') is an accelerator, the Speedstar
24 is not.  I am sure they were talking about the 24X.  The 24X is faster
than the S3 911 and 924 based Stealths and the Mach8 based Ultras, but
not the new S3 801, 805, and 928 based Stealths or the new Mach32 based 
Ultras.

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Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
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From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: >800x600, 16 colors ???
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:04:00 GMT

czim@hub.caltech.edu (Chris Ziomkowski) writes:
>Please forgive me if this is an obvious question, but I come from a UNIX
>background and have no experience with PC's. I have a 20" Magnavox monitor
>for my PC, and was wondering what environments would allow me to use the
>1 MB of VRAM I have on my SVGA card. Experimenting has told me that I can
>only get 800x600, 16 colors out of it, which would make sense if one
>assumed that the only VRAM was that between 640K and 1 MB. If it is possible
>to get more, where does this extra video memory get mapped in? Do I have to buy
>a special card, or install a software driver?
>I'm running on a 486/50 if that makes a difference. I'll put UNIX on if
>necessary but I just don't have the disk space. Could someone explain to
>me the fundamentals of how video cards work on PC's? I'd like to get at
>least 1024x768/256 under windows.

OK, here's the situation.  SVGA cards these days typically carry 512K-1Mb
of their own memory on board, because they can't access system memory
across the bus nearly fast enough to actually display anything.  There is a
reserved 64K segment at 0xa000:0000, which is right at the top of the 640K
boundary, where this video memory maps in.  For modes which require more
than 64K of storage, different sections of the video memory are paged into
this area through a hardware operation.  Different SVGA cards do the
hardware paging in slightly different ways, which is the biggest reason for
having a Windows driver for each card chipset.

What you need to do to get > 800x600x16 under Windows:

1) Find out what chipset your card is.  You can do this by looking through
the manual, or downloading the GIF viewer VPIC, which includes a small
program to test your card.  In fact, there are probably many such programs
around on the net.

2) Find the latest Windows drivers for that chipset.  I believe there is a
wide variety of such drivers available by anonymous FTP to
ftp.cica.indiana.edu.  If you can't find anything (for an obscure chipset,
perhaps), you may have to contact the board manufacturer or just post a
question on Usenet.

3) Install the drivers for the resolution you want.  Should work fine.

Since you have a 20" monitor, I assume it is more than capable of handling
high resolution modes.

Good luck.

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"
From: Steve.Kilbey%bbs@jptcs.com (Steve Kilbey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: hard drives
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:38:04 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Kilbey%bbs@jptcs.com (Steve Kilbey)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10a S/N 202921

I am looking at 360mb and 1.2gb hard drives. I am thouroughly confused. $599
for 360's and only $899 for 1.2gb. Can this be right. If anyone can supply
info as to the best price for either type, either SCSI or IDE with cache
buffer, please mail me rather than post here. Who's is the most reliable? I
hear WD has the best access times. 

P.S. If this post is inappropriate in this group, please tell me what group
supports these questions.

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From: frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-Madison SRC (608)877-2332,-2001(FAX))
Subject: Video Driver Dilemna(ATI Unghh!)
Reply-To: frigo@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:50:22 GMT


The following is an excerpt from an e-mail sent to me by ATI in response
to my request about OS/2 2.0 32 bit drivers:


<<<Subj:	Re: OS/2 2.0 32 bit drivers!
From: ATI Support <74740.667@CompuServe.com>
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 32 bit drivers!
Date:  12-17-92
As can found here in the ATI forum in CompuServe, or by contacting ATI
support, IBM has not yet released the Development Kit which allows us to
complete 32 bit video drivers for OS/2 (and you will not find any other
video board manufacturers with 32 bit video drivers on the market). IBM
has not even released their own 8514/A 32 bit driver yet! Once we have
the development kit, we will be able to complete and release 32 bit
drivers. Meanwhile, the current OS/2 drivers we supply will work with the
versions of OS/2 1.3x and 2.x, with the 16 bit Graphics Engine.

Regards,

Allan Nelson,
ATI Customer Support>>>

_______________________________________________________________________________


(1)	I thought Trident had released 32 bit drivers.  If so, how could
	they have done it w/out the Development Kit from IBM?  Or, is ATI
	the party at fault, since the above is in error and the kit exists?

(2)	If the kit hasn't been released yet, when will it be?  Let's hope
	it is soon!




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From: baloo@nx01.mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal)
Subject: Looking for a new hard drive controller, suggestions?
Keywords: controllwer
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx01.mik.uky.edu!baloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:21:46 GMT

'm looking for a new hard drive controlwer for my scsi drive.  I have a
DTC controller now and NOTHING supports it!  I wanted to run unix and neither
Linux nor 386BSD supported it!  I have been told by several people that the
adaptect 16 bit controllers were good.  Anyone have any suggestsions? and
what about caching, are those types much better?
kevin coupal
baloo@mik.uky.edu
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 3-chip vs 9-chip SIMMs?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:24:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

> >Which is the older technology: 3-chip SIMMs or 9-chip SIMMs?  My PC
> >takes 3-chip SIMMs, and I have noticed that 9-chip SIMMs are far more
> >easily available in the marketplace.  Are 3-chip SIMMs an older
> >technology, and likely to disappear from the market in the near
> >future?  Or are they simply newer, and not as widespread yet in the market?
> >
> >Are 3-chip SIMMs incompatible with 9-chip SIMMs?

from the timeline of my life and my near-never-ending-search-for-the-right-
simms, i would say that the 9 chips are older...

i bought my computer 1 year ago... it had the 9 chips...

about 2-3 months ago, i wnated to upgrade... since i wanted to use
the 9 chips (peace of mind and etc... although my dealer just told
me to use 1X9  (9 doesn't represent 9 chips here!  learned the hard
way...) simms...)

i checked out practically every store around my area and no-one 
carried 9 chip simmms... they all carried 3 chips.... finally one
dude told me he'll sell me 1x9 simms for $26 a piece..... i bought
8 then realized that they were 3 chips....  eventually he convinced
me that it'll wok on my computer...

thus far, i haven't had any memory problems...

i have 4 1 meg 9 chip simms and 8 1 meg 3 chips (all 70 ns)
and all 9 chip in their own bank 3 chips in their own bank...
if you mix them in teh same bank, you might run into problems...


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| shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  know OS/2", "No, Windows!", "Oh, Warbage!",   |
| shyguy@soda.berkeley.edu |  "No, Windows, the OS", "Micro$oft has an OS?" |
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From: ssandke@ADS.COM (Steve Sandke)
Subject: How do I use an IDE and RLL drive together?
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:35:03 GMT

So I got a great deal on a nice IDE drive (Conner 170MB), thinking
I'd have no problem because my system has an IDE drive already.

However, when I got home and took off the computer cover, it turns out
that I've got an RLL drive and controller :-(  

My question is:

How do I go about using both types of drives?  I imagine I need another
controller card for the IDE drive.  Is it hard to set up?  Is there
anything else I need to look for?

Please reply via email.

Thanks



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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on GW2000's DX2/66 EISA Bus System
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:20:41 GMT

> Now it seems to me, that $800 practically covers the extra expense
> of the SCSI hard drive plus EISA controller alone. I mean, it
> *looks* like this hard drive is really gonna haul ass over the VESA
> system. Is there something I'm missing, or will a 13-ms IDE drive
> with Local Bus IDE interface do almost as well?
 
We're talking about a 2 millisecond average seek time 
difference.  That's very, very small.  Also don't forget the 
VESA slot will be running at processor speed while the EISA 
slot is going to be 8.33 Mhz.
 
My UltraStor 34F VL-Bus host adapter has a maximum throughput 
of 66 MB/sec.  My micronics motherboard has a built in rapid 
ide controller on it.  If it is used in conjunction with a new 
Western Digitial or Quantum drive that can take advantage of 
the rapid ide interface you should get better 
performance than with a SCSI HA (in a single user, single 
drive system) because there is no SCSI protocol overhead. 
 
I believe an EISA can max do only 33MB/sec.  Local Bus can do 
max 132 MB/sec.
.
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From: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com (Alpha Personal Systems -- DTN 223-5747 -- MLO3-6/B8)
Subject: Please your opinions on these 15" monitors
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:58:47 PST
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What are your opinions of the following monitors, preferably if you've used
more than one?

	Monitor			Price	Best price at:
	-------			-----	--------------

	TVM MediaScan 5A+	$459	Insight
		liked by _PC World_

	Mag MX15F		$559	TC (Treasurer Chest)
		liked by _PC World_

	Optiquest 2000D		$589	TC
		liked by _Byte_

	NEC 3FGX		$600	S+W
		liked by everyone

	Viewsonic 6FS		$619	Essense

Thanks - Jim

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: RISC defined! Was Re: 486SLC chip.... what is it?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:20:17 GMT

In <1992Dec11.155653.8469@ptdcs2.intel.com> greason@ptdcs2.intel.com (Jeff Greason ~) writes:

>In article <1992Dec9.230819.7876@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>They're RISC 386's with a math co. and a cache. 
>>
>>Huh?  Nonsensical statement, oh guru.  The phrase 'RISC 386' is a
>>contradiction in terms.  If the chip accepts the 386 instruction set
>>(and it does) it is BY DEFINITION not RISC.

>I realize this was not your point, but...

>Aha!  Somebody finally admitted it.  I've long suspected that the RISC advocate
>definition of RISC is primarily negative.  Originally, RISC chips had simple
>instruction sets, where "simple" was supposed to make it possible to use
>advanced implementation techniques such as pipelining and caching because
>of the reduced transistor budget.  When CISC chips used these, they claimed
>that reduced implementation time was the advantage.  Now, it comes down to
>just what you stated:
>  "RISC (adj.): 1) A chip which does not accept the X86 instruction set.
>   2) A chip which is not manufactured by Intel."

Well, no.  What it comes down to is i386 instruction set is a CISC
instruction set.  Hence, implementing that instruction set is not
RISC.  Note that if you implement the Motorola 68k or the DEC VAX
instruction set, you are also not RISC.

>The first definition used most broadly -- the second definition invoked (if
>not explicitly) whenever somebody brings up the i860 or i960 architectures.

>It is my belief that the real issue isn't RISC v. CISC (by the definition of
>your choice) -- the real issue is support of older CODE on new
>IMPLEMENTATIONS.  

The issue with RISC is SPEED.  The issue with most folks buying
computers who don't need that kind of speed is COST -- and that
includes throwing away all that software.  So yes, you could say that
the issue becomes backward compatibility.




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From: Richard_Robb@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Robb)
Subject: The Complete Page Scanner
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:29:11 GMT

Does anyone have experience with The Complete Page Scanner?  I need a
full-page scanner that can give reasonably good renditions of charts, graphs,
simple photographs, etc.  (All black and white).  Can anyone tell me if this
scanner does the job acceptably?  How does the quality of its scans compare
to the pricier HP Scanjet series?

Thanks in advance.

Richard
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC FUSION CD-ROM Drive
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:45:37 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <harry.723910556@puff.socsci.umn.edu> harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang) writes:

>Hi, netters!

>I just got a NEC FUSION CD-ROM Drive from our local BizMart.  It works
>very well undr DOS and WINDOWS.  I am very happy with this bundle.  Now
>here is my question.  Since I have a Mac IIci sitting side by side with
>my 486DX2-66, and the NEC drive comes with SCSI bus.  Is it possible for
>me to connect this drive to Mac through a SCSI cable?  Or I should ask, 
>what's the difference between a CD_ROM player for PC and the one for Mac,
>if both use SCSI bus?

>Surely, I would like to hook this NEC to Mac and that'll save me about $400.00
>in getting a CD-ROM for Mac.  Many thanks in advance.

It should work (but, of course, only hooked to one OR the other, not
both at once ;-)), but you'll need some Mac drivers for it.  They talk
about this briefly in the manual.  I don't know where you can get one,
since NEC talks about drivers being available on their BBS and
explicitly EXCLUDES the Mac.

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From: atzeiner@iastate.edu (())
Subject: noisy fan...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:19:41 GMT

Recently, the fan in my tower case has developed a sort of rattling noise.
It does it sort of rhythmically,( it will rattle for a couple seconds , then
quiet for a few seconds then rattle....).

Does anyone know how to fix this.  I was going to try to take it apart, but
dont really want to mess around with to to try to figure it out if somebody
already knows a simple solution...

Thanks...

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From: timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol)
Subject: Alpha-based PC
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:12:24 GMT

Anyone out there know anything about the proposed Alpha-based PC
systems from DEC?  I had heard that they were going to use the EISA
bus, but I was wondering if they could then use standard EISA
expansion cards (the same ones used on Intel motherboards).  Anyway,
I'd appreciate any information I could get on this (proposed) system.

     - Mike
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From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: Help, my system keeps crashing
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:19:45 GMT

psrk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter Sierk) writes:


>	I have a 386/40 system which I put together myself.  Unfortunately,
>it tends not to work.  I've had more CMOS checksum failures than I can count
>and a lot of the time I can't even get the machine to turn on (it doesn't 
>even get the VGA BIOS up on the screen).  Every once in a while it will 
>crash and beep at me, usually letting me know that I've had a base 64k memory
>failure, or else a video error (I have a Diamond Stealth card).  I've even 
>had the system lock in the CMOS setup screen.                           
>	I'll finally be getting a chance to experiment with other equipment,
>so I was planning on trying a different power supply, and different memory.
>Can anyone think of anything else that I can try before I decide that my
>motherboard is junk?  Thanks in advance.

>						Peter Sierk
>					psrk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    

Get new CMOS chips, and try disabling the caching and shadowing.

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