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From: rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: Synth interfaces (Re: Gear Lust)
Organization: LFOs Anonymous
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.064531.4669@smsc.sony.com> dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:
>...
>A couple of months ago, I talked a bit out my idea of transformational
>editing, but got a pretty cool response.  What other ideas do people
>have?  Shape-based parameterization?  Other abstractions?

I suspect you got a cool response mainly because you approach synthesis
from a perspective which is rare in this forum. 

I was intrigued by your statement that you only use randomly generated 
patches (at the moment, at least). It seems from this and your questions 
above that you employ a strictly algorithmic synthesis strategy, in extreme
contrast to the hands-on approach which seems to be more or less the norm.
It's as if you're thinking entirely at a meta-level of parameter generation
functions, and not at all about individual parameters and tweaking. Since
randomness is the only available meta-level function, that's all you're
using. 

While "serious" or "academic" electronic music tends to be synthesized
in programmatic ways like you're talking about, I think the bulk of
composers who discuss their work here lean toward more intuitive methods.

A major thrust in academic electronic music has been in relating the
structure of timbres to that of the whole composition. Do you attempt to 
do this (say, by composing stochastically), or do you put all of the 
theory into the sounds and all of the intuition into the composition?

Since you asked some questions first, I'll take a stab at them. The
transformational editing you mentioned earlier didn't sound appealing to me,
and I'm not sure what you mean by "shape-based parameterization."
I would like the ability to implement my choice of functions for patch
generation, but to do that with any flexibility would require a 
general-purpose programming language. And I've found that programming is 
a big time-sink when it comes to getting anything done musically. Not that
I can't "express" with it, or any such thing, but just that it's
inefficient in terms of my ability to finish anything. So, <deep breath>
what I do, basically, is keep the meta-level stuff in my head. I think a
lot about the time-domain shapes of various parameters and waveforms, and
the way these shapes relate. Then I use the low level tools provided for me
to play around with them in a fairly crude but fast way. 

I'd love to explore theoretical aspects of sound generation and have
ranted about this stuff at length in the past.  If I'm ever on the music
faculty somewhere I'll probably fart around with meta-meta-level fractal
parameter generation functions. But with music as an avocation which I have
precious few hours to practice, it's just not practical.

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From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Minimoog:  No PWM???
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:36:00 GMT


While what Ferenc says is true for stock Minis, PWM was probably the most
common of the aftermarket customizations done.  There are several ways to
implement PWM on a Mini.  The most simple is to replace the waveform switch
with a continuous pot with correctly matched taps.  I't been a while since
i mucked with a Mini, but I remember this being a pretty straight forward
thing to do.  A second modification, for which I used to have the schematics,
allowed voltage control PWM.  It seemed to me that there were only a few
op amps and support resistors and caps needed.  Unfortuanately, I gave all
my Mini related schematics away with the Mini when I sold it several years
back.

John
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From: pete@wlbr.imsd.contel.com (Pete Lyall)
Subject: Re: Seq Plus Gold/Cakewalk
Organization: Contel Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:43:13 GMT

The trick in Seq+ is while in the FILES
submenu, try toggling the MODE three or four times. You'll come
to the MIDIFILE mode. That'll save and load .MID files.

Pete

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From: ajv@roi.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:01:02 GMT

ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:
>Hmmmm. Maybe I should have bought that digeridoo (sp?) after all.

Hey, go out and buy "Baka" by "Outback".  Guitar/digeridoo duo, it'll
blow your socks off!

If *I* could play digeridoo like that....

					Andy
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:00:04 EDT
From:         "Sean F. Jepson" <SJEPSON@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      What a whiner!!!!

JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL  writes .....
  >Welcome to the sad world of Mac-ownership.
  >Oh why did I buy this Mac.......It gives me nothing but problems.
  >Hell it was only $3500.

Is anyone else getting sick of his whining?


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From: wcrane@ecst.csuchico.edu (Walter Joseph Crane)
Subject: Wanted: ---==={ Roland D-50 }===---
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:29:11 GMT



I am looking to purchace a Roland D-50 at a reasonable deal. Do you have a
friend that wants to sell one or is anyone advertising in a local paper?
E-mail the number and I'll probably call.
Thanks, 

  
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From: iwoehr@isis.cs.du.edu (Ivan Woehr)
Subject: EPS samples in need PLEASE read
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 05:30:06 GMT

	Hi. I have the Orignal EPS sampler and have over 80 disks of
previous samples, but I'm looking for a few things. If you could direct me
to an FTP site that has them, or if you could send them through Email I would
appreciate it!

	Here what I'm looking for:
			Bass as in drums. Big Bass. Gut rumbling Bass.:)
			More drums. I have Power Drums but blah... etc..
			Mainly drums but also looking for:
			Small instruments. I only have the 2x expander so
			can;t fit big things in and I like using many
			instruments. I have the EPS Bread and Butter Disk, but
			there are only so many instruments.:)

	Thanks if you can help!


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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:58:08 CDT
From:         "Jonathon Simon" <JSIMON@TRINITY.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: KORG 01/W fd
              6 Apr 1992 13:38:00 GMT from <JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:38:00 GMT <JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> said:
>Actually, Ace had the fd on sale for $1850 not too long back.  It wouldn't
>surprise me if Jamie can do one for under $1800.  Especially with the 'Pro'
>fd, now there to compete, this should seem particularly so.  My only question
>is. who would waste that kind of money when for only few hundred extra you
>can buy a K2000. ;-)
>
Basically I agree with you - why buy the 01/W.  I came close to it until
I heard about the K2000.  Now I plan to hold out until I come up with the
extra money, talk my wife into it :)  , etc.  However, the person who
originally posted the question sounded like they are just getting started.
If that's the case, the 01/W fd might be better because it includes a
50,000 note full edit sequencer as you well know. Take a stripped K2000 and
a 16T sequencer and your talkin 2600.00 + 300.00.  That's a $1000 bucks
more than the 01/W fd.  To me - it's worth it - the K2000 is a better
long term investment.  I'd at least want to hold out and see how
Korg responds to the K2000 if I were the original poster.  But I
can see how the 01/W still has its nitch in life for some folks.
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Master Tracks Pro and Windows 3.1 - HELP!
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:00 GMT


Actually, if they ever figure a way around the idiotic IRQ situation on the
bus, there is no doubt in my mind that Windows based MIDI applications will
be the standards of the future.  First, from an economic prespective, since
PC-type computers far outnumber everything else combined in music usage,
there is an incentive for software developers to continue to push the envelope
in innovation.  Secondly, because the whole Mass-MIDI-Market is going to
be fueled by Multimedia (quickly becomming a trademark of Microsoft), there
is going to be even more incentive to rake in the corporate dollars.  It
isn't going to take corporate managers long to find out that Soundblasters
and Ad Lib cards are not really the ticket, and that the Roland sound cards
are the bare minimum for aceptibel audio presentation work.  Unlike Apple
who have managed to paint themselves into a corner with their platform
monopoly, the ISA/EISA gurus are free to use whatever technology is at their
disposal.  If there was a way to run 8 MQX-32s in a single PC, I'd sell
my recent Macintrash acquisition in a heartbeat in order to buy the system.
For now, I intend to keep my 386 in the studio where it will patiently
await the day when the interface/software is available for it to regain
control of my studio.  Right now, I'm kind of looking at the Mac as a
'pinch runner' who will be removed from the game as soon as the star performer
comes back from the leg injury.

John
From: smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:35:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Info needed on Casio CZ-1
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

campnest@lonestar.utsa.edu (Armando F. Campnest)  writes:
>You should be able to pick one up for about $100 or less, for a tight
>sitcho-- they make great tone banks, and gimmick rigs for roadhouse gigs.
>I used to use one for just those purposes, when I was on a shoestring
>budget.

I probably won't be the only one to speak up on this point, but I think you're
confusing the CZ-1 and CZ-101 or 1000.  The CZ-101 is a small unit with
mini-keys.  The CZ-1000 is the same electronics with larger keys.  I would
expect either of these units to go for less than $150.  But the CZ-1 is
a more capable unit, with velocity sensing and (I think) aftertouch (?).
It came along somewhat later.  I wouldn't venture to place the used price,
but I imagine it's upwards of $200 at least.

                    Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
                 Going Up, Going Down, Going Up And Down.
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From: urwaleck@eaeps1.tuwien.ac.at (Martin Urwaleck)
Subject: Re: MIDI Horn is back at DAMARK -- NOT!!!
Organization: Inst. for General Electrics & Electronics, TU Vienna
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:21:41 GMT

In article <1680196@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com> smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

>For those of you who may have been disappointed by my "false" announcement
>of the DAMARK DH-100 MIDI horn, I just received this information:

>Sam Ash out of NYC (1-800-4SAMASH) sells these horns for approximately
>the same price.  The silver DH-100 is $39.00 and the black DH-200 is $43.00.
>This is supposedly not a sale price, but Sam Ash's normal selling price.

>                    Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
>                 Going Up, Going Down, Going Up And Down.

Does anybody know a company sending such items to Europe ? I would really 
like to get such a MID horn, but I have no chance here in Austria.

        Martin Urwaleck

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From: jte@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: -- Roland U50 --
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: jte@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr10.033858.29617@engage.pko.dec.com> sherman@induce.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>
>In article <92100.132409ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>, ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET writes...
>
>I think he's taking a jab at the D70 naming.  That is, a D70 is really a
>U50 as far as its heritage goes.  It doesn't have much to do internally

Hi -- Speaking of the beast, can anyone give me some info on the D-70:
net reviews, etc.?  Is it still in production?  What is the fair
discounted price?  How is the keyboard -- I tried it for a half a
minute and it seemed to be a big improvement on the D50-mushola-style
keyboard.  How exactly does this machine relate to the U-20?

Still looking for a reasonable machine in one box -- My dream keyboard
would be light (as light as, say, a K1), compact, have a supple
keyboard (a la M1 or DX7II), have 16-bit sound, filters, effects, and
a reasonable enough variety of basic keyboard sounds (piano, e-piano,
clav, organ, brass, strings, pop, ethnic, etc......no drums
necessary!!), a decent user interface, flexible programmibility, and
NO sequencers,  toasters, microwaves, or blenders.  Why can't this
exist??  

Jeff Eldredge
From: daf@pacersoft.com (David A. Fagan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Acoustic Insulation
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:51:31 GMT
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

Anyone out there have any tips on acoustically insulating a room?

I'm building a studio in my basement & would like to be able to crank it
up without worrying about bothering my family, (or the neighbors, or the
people in the next county). Insulating the basement ceiling/ground floor 
is a particular concern. 

Any and all advice appreciated

Dave Fagan
Pacer Software
daf@pacersoft.com
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: 4-track recommendations...
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:53:02 GMT


the quest for audio goes on...

> This past weekend my dealer at Brighton Sound (rochester, NY) told me about >
Fostex's current "special deal":
>
>  An R8 8-track open-reel tape deck
>  An 812 12x8x2 console
>  An MTC-1 MIDI-to-SMPTE converter
>
>  all for $2979

now at the other end of the spectrum, how about a little 4-track?  There's a
Fostex 280 4-track (cassette) with built-in mixer for around $679 or so.  You
can even get the MTC-1 to do MTC-to-SMPTE conversion with it so it can be
controlled by your sequencer.

For playing around, how good are the Fostex 4-tracks?  How do they compare to
Tascam or others?

thanks,

marc webster
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:22:05 HOE
From:         "Juan P. Cerezo" <JUAMPE@IIC.UAM.ES>
Subject:      Re: Problems!!!!!
              6 Apr 1992 21:32:36 GMT from <d88-jwa@DRONT.NADA.KTH.SE>

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:32:36 GMT Jon W{tte said:
>Isn't languages like music ? Isn't that part of the idea behind Zoolok ?
>
>> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:
>
>   >	Je ne sais pas; mais, peut-etre si vous posez le question en anglais,
>   >il y sera plus de personnes qui peuvent repondre.
>
>   Nan da, kore wa? Furansuga mitai da ne. De mo, sukoshi wa wakaru. Ichiban
>   saigo no bun wa, "Moshi, eigo de shitsumon sureba, dare ka ga kotaeru
>   kamoshirenai" da to iu imi da to omou.
>
>JA ! L}t oss alla glatt kasta oss in i en glad orgie av nationella spr}k
>som bara en liten liten del av l{sarskapet f|rst}r. Det f|rsta var franska,
>alldeles f|r l{tt. Vad var n{sta ? Japanska ? Mindre l{ttf|rst}eligt f|r
>de flesta v{|sterl{nningar. Svenska f|rst}s av kanske 15 miljoner m{nniskor,
>p} sin h|jd.
>
>Vad kommer h{rn{st ? R{toromanska ?
>
Alguna sugerencia en cuanto a qu) codepage usar o clmo volcar esto a mi
MIDI librarian ?? Quizs salga alg#n parche bonito bonito pa mi synte...
(Esto es castellano en codepage 437. Tengo un amigo que puede mandar
palabritas en cataln, y otro en vasco).
Un saludo,
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From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Excuse me???  (re: --> SALE: proteus,proformance,tg77,dss1,lxp1,vp70,avalon,midiquest)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:57:09 GMT


>                  * HARDWARE SALE *
>
>*  EMU Proteus 1 XR (extended memory), great condition with manual and
>   warranty card, $610 (current high bid $610)
>
>*  Lexicon LXP-1, great reverbs, delays, chorus, flange etc, original box
>   and manual, perfect condition, $370 (current high bid $350)
>
...

Hey Darius, what's this advertising the Lexicon still???  I was under the
impression we had closed the deal and you were mailing it to me.

  [offer, counter-offer, etc... deleted]

  marc> If you you want to talk, I'm willing to go up a little

  darius> Alright, how about $350 for LXP-1?

  marc> I was thinking more like $325.  But I'll do $350 if you pay COD and
  marc> mailing.  If that's agreeable with you, go ahead and send it.

Oh well, I guess not.  Well, heck, since you let the cat out of the bag that I
was probably your only offer, and because I'm kind of miffed that I accepted
your offer of $350 and you're still advertising trying to get better, I'll give
you $325 (you pay COD and mailing) or our deal's off.

Got it?  Don't COD it to me for $350 or I'll send it back.

marc webster
From: eab@cbnews.cb.att.com (eugene.a.beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FM on the K2000
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:36:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

The K2000 will do limited FM.  The sample waveforms can be used as a MODULATOR
of a sine, saw, or square wave as a carrier. Use Alg. 10 (I recollect) with
XAMP as the final stage and sine/saw/square followed by GAIN in the
intermediate DSP stages.  You can only have a single modulator-no stacks
of modulators.  Unfortunately, the more useful configuration would be
to use the sampled waveforms as carriers and the simple waveforms as mods, but
then, I supposed Yamaha's lawyers would be pouncing on Y-C for patent
infringement.  

By using the sample waveform as a modulator, you lose all the timbral
properties of the sample waveform, eg, an oboe waveform serving as modulator
for a sine wave carrier is not going to sound anything like the original
oboe.  With the reverse (oboe-carrier, sine-modulator), as you increase the
amplitude of the sine wave, higher and higher harmonics are gradually added
to the oboe.  With low amplitude values of the sine wave, the oboe is still
recognized as such.

				eugene beer eab@cblph.att.com
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:18:00 GMT
Subject: Re: request for FAQ
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

You know, we really ought to do a FAQ.  Sorry, if one exists, it hasn't
been mentioned in months.

Pete Brooks

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:48:23 ADT
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From:         Alan Edwards <AEDWARDS@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Lasers

I recall reading here not long ago, someone talking about experiences
with lasers in live shows.  It looks like I might be getting into
such a show, and any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance
Alan Edwards

ps if this show goes the way I think it will, you can expect an
interesting gig report in a few months.
From: Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: best price wanted
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:42:37 GMT


>    A friend of mine with limited .net  access would like to know where to 
>    get the best price on a Mackie 1604  
>  (envy, envy).

Mackie CR1604 mixer	795	Boynton Audio (Morris, NY)		Feb 92

marc webster
From: rosensta@ace.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Digital inputs on F/X
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:07:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Does anyone know of any effects processors besides the Yamah SPX 900
and 1000 that support digital input and output?  If someone has
actually used one of the things, that's even better.

thanks,

mike
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From: jmcclain@isis.cs.du.edu (jesse mcclain)
Subject: need info on mirage
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:53:35 GMT


I am new to this newsgroup, or fairly new anyway. could anybody out there give  
me some info on the ensoniq mirage. some kind of review, pros and cons,   
anything would be great. also, has ensoniq made any kind of new software or any
new upgrades that i should concern myself with? please E-mail me at
jmcclain@nyx.du.edu.
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JV-80
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: EDDIE.9204071542.AA21517


Craig Dodson summed it all up...

The JV-80 DOES, INDEED, have about the same sound quality as a JD-800...

I rest my case.

John
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