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From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.210328.19434@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>More on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X..."
>.
>I read today in the Chronicle that Time-Warner execs saw the
>finished product, 3 hours and 20 minutes, and are pretty shook up.
>Get ready for some more fireworks re freedom of expression.  After
>the "Cop Killer" Ice-T controversy, these dudes are scared.
>.
>The one thing which seemed to exercise them the most is the intro.
>The American flag burns into the letter X and behind it is footage
>of the Rodney King beating.
>.

Well Time-Warner is certainly backing down from their no censorship
stance on a lot of fronts.  From mondays Chronicle:

"This summer, Tommy Boy has come under fire because a photograph of an
Uzi-wielding man waiting in ambush for George Bush was leaked to the
press. It was said to be a cover for the fall release by San Francisco
rapper Paris (actually he's from Oaktown), a Tommy boy artist.

Robert J. Morgado, head of music at Time Warner, immediately issued a
statement saying that he had not and would not approve such a cover."

I believe that rap artist need to form their own independant record
companies to prevent this sort of bullshit.  Time Warner is run by
cowards.

On the Malcolm X tip, I agree with most of what Spike is saying about
the film industry being racist etc., but I think he was way off base
when he said that people need to see this film to support Malcolm X.
This is a load of crap, going to see this film only supports Spike Lee
not Malcolm.  It might raise some peoples level of awareness about
Malcolm, but it is purely entertainment.  If you want to do something
to support Malcolm, you should be doing something positive in the
community, not sitting on your ass watching a film.  

However, this will probably be the most important film of 92, just
like Boyz in the Hood was the most important film of 91.  I can't wait
to see it, but I don't think I'll be skipping work to.

Peace,
	 Warren Watts
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican conven
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:15:30 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Aug27.185445.6653@athena.cs.uga.edu>, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>
>>TH>Anyway. This whole election year bit is sending mutliple chills down
>>TH>my spine. Part of me just really want to back up and bug outta this
>>TH>country and let the bastards have it.
>>

I must say I thought of you while watching the republican convention. 
It was as if Pat Buchanan was declaring a "religious war" against 
someone I know- if only here, on the net. Does he know you are non-
violent and a reasonable thinker? Does he know that women don't want
to go back to the 1950's? The only redeeming feature of the convention
was Mary Fisher asking "Are you human?". It is too bad a person has
to get HIV/AIDS to begin to understand what tolerance is. 

I met Bill Clinton when his bus tour came through Iowa 2 weeks ago. 
I came away with the impression that he is a genuine, good person. 
But the divisions and wounds of this country are so deep that I'm
not sure any man (or woman) can heal them. 

So stick around for a while, Terrance. What I said a month ago still holds. 

-Mary Howard
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:42 PDT
Subject: Re: Somalia food news
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471600037:cdp:1471600038:000:2135
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 28 10:42:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia food news

/* Written  5:39 am  Aug 28, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:reg.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalia food news" ---------- */
Morning Edition, National Public Radio, reports this morning that the
145,000 tons of food ordered by President Bush to go to Somalia will
not reach that country until December.

Thus this food cannot count as part of that needed to keep millions of
Somalians from starving by Christmas.

Some additional food is being flown in by the World Food Program.  I
believe the amount is 5000 tons.

I spoke yesterday with a representative of the International Committee
for the Red Cross, Ann Stingle.  She said the need now is 60,000 tons of food
a month.  The current supply is 20,000 tons a month, and US additional
aid is expected to add something to that, but how much is not sure.

I also am uncertain as to the source and amount of food that starts to
go into Somalia today on US planes--four flights will carry 9 1/2 tons of
beans, rice, and cooking oil.  whether this is additional food or exiting
existing supplies that can be moved into Somalia on Pentagon planes is
unclear.

In addition, the commander of the US military personnel there says that in view
of the fact that his soldiers are to be unarmed at Somali request, he will
pull out if a single soldier is killed.  This seems totally reasonable to
me, but it opens up another pitfall for somalian aid.

I think we need to keep trying to find out the real facts, so that if
the whole thing rolls back down hill (for example, if public attentio
turns away, and governments just stop shipping additional food) we
can publicize these facts.  The old hamburger commercial used to ask
"Where's the beef?"  I think that in the case of somalia, we should
keep asking, "Where's the food?'

It seems to me that we can consider this problem solved not when governments
announce what they are going to do, but when relief agencies in Somalia say,
"We are finally getting an adequate flow of food and we are confident it
will continue."

There are high hopes for the present initiative, but concerns remain.
Dorothy

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9039 misc.headlines:6002
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:50:06 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 

If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
autobiography or his speeches.  

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:15:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep3.191514.8087
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep3.005734.22537@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>Steve concludes:
>
>>Understand that homosexuality is explicitly prohibited by the Quran.
>>Al Hajj Malik Shabazz was a Muslim who believed la ilaha il Allah
>>(there is no God but Allah) and Muhammedan Rasullulah (Muhammed is
>>the Messenger of Allah), not to mention the Angels, the Prophets,
>>the Quran, the Last Day...and that trangressors will be roasted
>>at hellfire.
>
>I say:
>
>Jeez, Steve.  Calm down.  Pull up the stakes and send those wagons
>of wood home.  Ain nobody burning anyone tonight, or any other
>night.

And ain't nobody throwing this "faggot" on the fire.  At least not
without a fight.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Dominant and Non-Dominant ( was Re: White skin-how did it develope?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:53:43 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Aug24.192232.17966@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg  
Parkinson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug20.223509.7577@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,  
KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu writes:
> |> 
> |>      I have thought over the evolution of skin color, and have run  
into the
> |> following questions:
> |> 
> |> 1) Following that the darker colors for humans are generally dominant  
vis-a-vis
> |> the lighter colors
> 
> Is this true?  I had always thought this, but I was recently
> told that lighter skin is dominant.  The idea that genes for
> darker skin would predominate was based more in societal
> definitions of "black" and "white" - anything that was
> non-white was black.
> 
> --

     My understanding is that no particular gene for skin color in humans  
is dominant over any other. The variety of color shades in humans is due  
to skin color being caused by, I believe, four genes that work together in  
a non-dominant manner. This is why children having one very light parent  
(genotype = wwww) and one very dark parent (genotype = bbbb) are of  
intermediate color (genotype = bbww), since each parent provides two of  
the four required genes. Interbreeding between these people (genotype =  
bbww) and people either lighter or darker than them results in a range of  
skin colors, even within the same immediate family.

Arthur Johnson
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:39 PDT
Subject: Somalia news and question
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600040:000:1702
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep  3 19:39:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia news and question

/* Written  7:33 pm  Sep  3, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "Somalia news and question" ---------- */
There is some consensus that food is now being shipped to Somalia in
sufficient quantities, and that that part of the problem is solved.

I hope this is so, but I just can't get it nailed down yet.  Have talked
to UN Humanitarian Affairs and the Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance,
and neither one can tell me how much food is going out now and will
go in October and November.  OFDA did promise to try to send info tomorrow.

Carole Collins emailed me information that tomorrow CSpan will carry
a program on the Somalia relief effort and what the UN, US et al. are
doing.  This will be at 9:30 am. 

If anybody can watch or tape this and find out how much food is going now
and what the supply schedule is, that would be helpful.  (I can't watch or
tape it.)

The International Committee for the Red Cross now says that 60,000 tons per
month are needed.  I'm sure this is *minimum*.

Meantime, ABC showed a brief piece on children of Somalia this evening.
A CARE feeding center was shown.  Children with pencilthin limbs, of course.
The center was only able to give them 500 calories a day.

We really need to try to get definite answers about how much food is going
and when for a simple reason--nobody else seems to care about getting
hard facts about this.  Once we know that enough food is going in, people
who still feel moved to work on this can shift their attention to fundraising
for the ICRC and Doctors Without Borders and so on. (That's going to be
very important and possibly rather difficult.)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9154 misc.headlines:6156
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:56:24 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

This is in reply to barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart), who wrote:
:
:Onward Christian sollldiers, marching as to war,
:With the anti-faggot talk stronger than before!
               ^^^^^^

Sorry, Terrance, that should be in quotes.  

-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:35:49 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>More on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X..."
>.
>I read today in the Chronicle that Time-Warner execs saw the
>finished product, 3 hours and 20 minutes, and are pretty shook up.
>Get ready for some more fireworks re freedom of expression.  After
>the "Cop Killer" Ice-T controversy, these dudes are scared.
>.
>The one thing which seemed to exercise them the most is the intro.
>The American flag burns into the letter X and behind it is footage
>of the Rodney King beating.

In the LA Times today, Spike didn't seem to think WB would dare tamper
with the intro after the earlier screw-up when he went overbudget
(35 Mil? I think "League of Our Own" cost 40 :-)

He also said he wants every African-American to skip work and school
on Nov 20 and attend the premiere of the picture. Lack of game aint
one of his problems :-)
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:54:28 GMT

edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:


>My point is that it was dangerous for a woman (or anyone) to be on a street
>corner at 10 p.m. The fact that the boys and the woman are of different races
>is the only thing that makes this incident "racial."  If you make everyone the
>same race in the same incident, then it becomes teenaged boys harassing a
>woman and it probably wouldnt have made the papers.


And why is it dangerous for someone to be on that corner. Shouldn't
it be safe? They may not have harrassed a black woman. Make Rodney
King white. Would that have changed the publicity of that beating?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Aug 1992 12:44 EDT  

In article <1992Aug31.141215.12210@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes...
> 
> 
> 
>>I heard a group of Blacks interviewed on NPR regarding the Denny beating a few
>>months ago.  Let me tell you, with one notable exception, you could have sworn
>>it was a bunch of White bigots justifying the King beating.  It was truly 
>>pathetic.  If you reversed the racial terms, the conversation could have easily
>>taken place in an ethnic bar in Howard Beach, NY; Parma, OH or Cicero, IL.
> 
>>Sorry, there are enough WHITE Klansman.  I don't think we're benefitting 
>>ourselves in any way by acting like Black ones....
> 
> 
> 
>Newsflash:
> 
>Sunday StarNews Sunday, August 30, 1992
> 
>Police Blotter
> 
> 
>	A racially motivated violent incident was reported to have
>	occured just after 10pm on August 29. A white woman was trying
>	to use a payphone at the 100 block of Greenfield St. and was
>	attacked by three violent black men. Three black men rode by
>	on bicycles and threw bottles at her according to police reports.
>	They also shouted racial slurs "White bitch...." etc.

You have to clarify how this is an attack. What is I see is three Black
"boys" on bicycles riding by a white woman at a pay phone and one or more
of them throws *A* bottle at her (How many bottles could they possibly be 
carrying on bikes?)

Did these boys stop and physically assault the woman or did they keep riding??
This is a violent incident, but I'm not so sure that they wouldn't have
thrown bottles at anyone who happened to be at the pay phone as they road by.
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:38:48 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <la351fINN33i@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>
>>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>
>OK, I'm lost.  I missed the beginning of "School Daze"; what was the
>homophobic part?


You do not have to have seen the first part. I suppose one has to have
been on the receiving end of the epithets "Punk" and "Fag" to really
sense it, but the scene that brings it home for me is the step show,
when one frat is "dissin'" the other, and the lowest put down they can
think of is to call them "fags".  This goes on throught the movie,
between the two groups.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Query
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:42:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I've been thinking for the past few days with regard to one participant's
bent as to "politically correct" expression of contempt I have for the 
attitudes of some White people out there. Being White myself, I find it 
interesting that I am called a racist against people with my same color of
skin; but, then, who am I to say. At any rate, I've communicated with a
handful of people who've stipulated that the tools we need in order to fight
racism/prejudice need to be updated, changed, reconfigured - Malcolm X 
expressed this belief many years ago. I've been wondering whether there is
opinion as to how everyone attacks the fundamental assumptions of a society
which has been built to exclude, not include, the masses. Should the fight
for social and economic equity be fought much in the way of the liberals:
identify the progress, downplay the prejudice as "isolated", talk of
socio-economic equity? Or, is there a need for more aggressive techniques,
such as those presented by the youth?  

I tend towards the latter because it's all too easy to allow the feel-good
bliss of middle-class America for which the whole of the myriad of social and
economic hardships seem to be little more than headlines on the evening news.
When you challenge this bliss by making sweeping statements in order to 
accentuate the essence of the problem, defensive reactions are abound. Yet,
I watch people go the other route: show the many ways that situations only
APPEAR to be worse off than they are. In many ways, I feel when people 
choose this argument, they minimize the extent to which a person is "allowed"
to react to his/her personal experiences to the point where it is sometimes
an effort to avoid the problem instead of facing up to it, correcting it. 
Several months ago a participant stipulated that he did not feel "guilty"
for the inequity as it stands in that he did not create it nor does he
support it; I suppose you could suggest that, on the whole, White people
are not "guilty" that some white people are ignorant of the social and
economic inequities. To me, this is another way people "remove" themselves
from the picture; and, I tend to throw these people back into the picture - 
which is THE point of my participation in some of these discourses. 

The question remains: how do we fix a society gone awry?

Mc
From: xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: ignorance about skin color and sun tanning
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:38:49 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I'm from Kenya, a country which lies across the equator, and 
only through foreign magazines did I learn what sunburn is. It is
an issue which still intrigues me. It is obviously true that the darker
the skin, the less prone one is to sunburn. My skin is chocolate colored
and I can stay in the sun as long as I please. It may darken slightly
after prolonged exposure, but with no discomfort at all.

Our skin tones vary greatly from person to person even within the
same family. Those with lighter tones may experience some rashes, or
like I once had some funny unexplained peeling of the skin, but after
extremely intense exposure -like staying for days on end outside in
the sun, on the hot floor of the Rift Valley. This is definitely not
comparable to what my white acquaintances describe as sunburn, which
I'm made to understand is quite painful.

I would not blame anyone about having theories of another race- provided
there is respect (which for most time I don't find in the US). For
instance, during my childhood I thought whites had green blood, which
even showed through the skin.

Mukunya A.K.
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:42:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UedC3qi00Uh_E3Q4ht
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 2-Sep-92 Re: Women
Bashing by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
> black women use this as an excuse to date a white man. They say that well
> the majority of black men don't respect black women so I'll date this
> white guy because he's different. That's a bunch of bull... I'm bringing
> this up because I have had black women who are dating white men tell me this
> kind of crap.

Maybe.  My personal experience is that I meet an awful lot of women who
have been dogged out by brothers in a variety of ways.  This is not all
women or all men... however, there is enough of thi shappening to be a
serious problem...

DCAL
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9085 misc.headlines:6079
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 31 Aug 1992 03:38:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 

OK, I'm lost.  I missed the beginning of "School Daze"; what was the
homophobic part?

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"