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            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!

   Index:
       1) Warnings  
       2) Equipment
       3) Clothing
       4) Technique
       5) Transportation
       6) Lodging
       7) Miscellaneous
       8) Lest we become too serious

 ------------------- Section 05: Transportation -------------------

 5.01) "What's the best ski-mobile ever made?"

     The Pisten Bully. However very few of them are street legal.

 5.02) "I have a 4WD but I don't know which wheels to chain up"

     RTFM. Most manuals will tell you which tires to chain up. There is
     no single correct answer to this question as 4WD systems vary. If you
     don't have a manual then call the manufacturer and ask them.

 5.03) "Should I buy chains or cables?"

     Depends. Chains are probably more effective than cables but the limited
     clearance between the tires and the wheel wells on some cars make chains
     a non-option. In either case you should be careful that the traction
     device is *tight* on the tire and do NOT exceed the manufacturer's
     recommended top speed (unless you really like thrashing your wheel 
     wells to death).

     Note: one person reports a problem with Security Chain Co. cable chains
     equipped with a quick release. Apparently there is a strut member on
     Honda Accords and some other Japanese cars that catches on the quick
     release and causes the cable to come off. Apparently their "Whitestar"
     model does not have this problem.

     Whether you buy chains or cables you should practice installing them
     at home where it's warm and dry. The middle of the night in the 
     middle of a snow-storm is NOT the time to start reading the instructions!

     Note: the plastic traction devices are pretty much useless. Don't
           waste your time or money.


 5.04) "What's the best roof rack for skis?"

     This question usually will start a semi-religious argument between the
     Thule lovers and the Yakima lovers. Suffice it to say that both the
     Thule and the Yakima systems are fine, although somewhat expensive,
     systems. The major difference between the two systems is that Thule
     uses a square (rectangular) cross-section bar while Yakima uses a
     round bar. Either system offers a wealth of attachment options ranging
     from windsurfer racks to luggage nets. Either system is probably 
     going to lighten your wallet by well over $100.00 US.

     By the way, Yakima racks are NOT made in Yakima Washington. Nor are
     they manufactured in Eureka California. The Yakima production
     facilities are in Arcata California (which is right next to Eureka).


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Buying First Skis
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.032625.3910@trl.oz.au>, harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
|> The disadvantage of shiny new skis is that they are more of a temptation to
|> light fingers.

Which, if you can face it, cover the nice shiny new paintwork with some stickers, name or something easy to see.   As I don't intend selling my skis I'm not interested in keeping them looking nice.  I would take a can of black paint to them but would imagine the solvent would damage the ski ?

In fact my last pair are 'knockin' on heavens door' but the new Salamon Monocoques look good, anyone know this ski ?

David.
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Advice on Buying Ski Boots
Keywords: skiing ski boots
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:52:24 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Aug14.184620.21911@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>I just got my Ski '93 Buyer's Guide and am thinking about getting new
>boots.  Frankly, I am happy with my old boots (they are only two seasons
>old), but I suspect they are rated for the novice/recreational skier,
>and I am planning on getting down White Heat this year :-).  Plus,
>they are rear-entry, and it's beginning to look like that means "wimp" boots.
>
Agreed, rear entry boot are for wimps. White Heat is a piece of cake.

>My question is this: can I consider buying kids boots?  I fit nicely
>into a boy's 6.  I know that boy's shoes fit my square (read wide) feet 
>better.  

No, Kids boots are for kids. The physiology of an adult is quite different.
>
>I figure I can try boots on, but I'm wondering whether there is any real
>reason to stay with adult boots.  Ski seemed to hint that some of the kid's 
>boots were just smaller versions of their adult counterparts.
 
Beth, they may look like "smaller versions" but they really aren't. The 
shell won't be as stiff, The last will be different, and performance *will*
suffer. If price is an object, consider buying last year's model or used 
boots. The ***MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF SKI GEAR YOU CAN HAVE IS YOUR BOOTS**.
I hope I have said enough.

The address is CA. Actual location is COLORADO!!
>
>Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
>mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
>...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Boots info needed
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:07:54 GMT
Organization: UB


	Hi, I am thinking about buying a new pair of boots this season, and
was curious to know what was available that is good. My current pair are 
rear-entry, but I do not feel that they give me support and control on the
more advanced slopes. 
	I like skiing the bumps and the diamond trails. 
	Please email all responses.

				Thanks!!
				   -Jonny B.


-- 
How do you tell which computer on the network has a virus?
  ....It's the one with a stuffed up node.
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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Re: Banff
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:13:14 GMT

I am still somewhat of a novice snow-skier.  What exactly is heli-skiing?
Also, where can one go to get in on some summer skiing?  I've heard of
New Zealand and some others.  Any suggestions?

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.edu
From: rizzi@netcom.com (mike rizzi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:52:40 GMT
Organization: There is no DANGER

grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>
>>one week (7 days) the week of Jan2-9 is $3770.00 Canadian dollars. But you 
>>have to add %7 for Canadian Goods and Services tax. 
>
>You may want to check into getting the GST refunded.  The brochure I got
>when I was in Canada recently said non-residents can get a refund if they
>spend over $100 total, on most items.  (only exception I can remember was
>restaurant meals). 

	But they only apply GST to Lodging and Goods (NOT services),
	so when they break it out most the $4K I spent at Mike Weigle
	last March was NOT eligible for a GST refund.  I did it anyway
	...60 bucks is 60 bucks!

mike rizzi
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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:57:12 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 04/7
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!

   Index:
       1) Warnings  
       2) Equipment
       3) Clothing
       4) Technique
       5) Transportation
       6) Lodging
       7) Miscellaneous
       8) Lest we become too serious

 --------------------- Section 04: Technique  ---------------------

 4.01) "Are there any good books on technique?"

     Whenever this question comes up 14 people will reply that you should
     go purchase a copy of Lito Tejada-Flores' book "Breakthrough on Skis".
     Available at your local bookstore or from the Third Hand (916-926-2600).

     A list of texts often mentioned on the net:
 
     We Learned to Ski         Handbook of Skiing     Breakthough on Skis
     Harold Evans              Karl Gamm              Lito Tadjada-Flores
     St. Martins Press         Knopf                  Vintage
     ISBN 0-312-85859-0        ISBN 0-679-72836-8     ISBN 0-394-7470
     $12.95                    $16.95                 $10.95

     Note that this is one of the more hotly debated topics on this 
     group. The conversation ususally goes: "Lito's book is great!"
     "Naw, Lito's full of it!". Whatever. Check out the books and decide
     for yourself. Just remember that no book is ever a substitute for
     a couple of hours with a good instructor!


 4.02) "So how should I get started anyway?"

     Lessons. Take lessons. In fact, even if you think you're a skiing
     god already you should probably take some lessons. Unless your 
     friend happens to be an instructor you probably should *not* let
     your friend "teach you to ski". Many areas offer extremely attractive
     "first time skier" packages. These packages will often include
     ski gear, a ticket, and instruction at a very low price (it's free
     at Squaw Valley for instance...).
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Knees. . .
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:55:09 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) wrote:
> 
>The only people I know that wear knee braces are ones that have already 
>injured knees.  I am wondering if it is beneficial to wear knee braces to 
>prevent injury in the first place?   If so, what brands, are they comfortable,
>wear under or over ski pants, etc. etc. etc.
> 

A couple of years ago at Copper Mt. my wife and I sat at lunch with the safety
director of the area.  He said that he always wore knee braces on powder
days--even though he had never been injured.  I judged him to be about 
55 yrs old which might have been a factor in his choice. BTW, I suspect that
he is no intermediate because he took the job to insure that he skiied every
day.



>                                            Taos #1

I can't disagree about Taos!


Jeff Hudgens
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Advice on Buying Ski Boots
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:01:54 GMT
	<1992Aug04.182517.36743@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Aug6.004435.8112@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
	<1992Aug14.184620.21911@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

In article <1992Aug14.184620.21911@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

   I just got my Ski '93 Buyer's Guide and am thinking about getting new
   boots.  Frankly, I am happy with my old boots (they are only two seasons
   old), but I suspect they are rated for the novice/recreational skier,
   and I am planning on getting down White Heat this year :-).  Plus,
   they are rear-entry, and it's beginning to look like that means "wimp" boots.

Not "wimp" boots, but there are those who think that, in general, rear-entry
boots do not give one as much "ski feel" as overlaps.  The new "mid-entry"
boots attempt to compromise between the two.  If you're happy with your boots,
there's no readon to buy new ones.  However, if your skis tend to "wash out",
or you fell your feet moving in the boots without any reaction from the ski,
the boots are poorly fit, too soft, or both.  Make sure that your skis and
boots are matched, though.  Stiff skis with soft boots (or vice-versa) can be a
*real* thrill!

   My question is this: can I consider buying kids boots?  I fit nicely
   into a boy's 6.  I know that boy's shoes fit my square (read wide) feet 
   better.  

Absolutely!  *High-end* children's equipment is often the best value for light
skiers that fit within the weight ranges of the equipment.  Just make sure you
do, and I'd recommend top-of-the-line youth equipment.  For the boots, make
sure you're in the anticipated weight range and can flex the boots well
(remember that they stiffen in the cold).

   I figure I can try boots on, but I'm wondering whether there is any real
   reason to stay with adult boots.  Ski seemed to hint that some of the kid's 
   boots were just smaller versions of their adult counterparts.

The top-end ones often have most of the features of the adult models.  Within
your ability range, I think your best value is there.

   Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
   mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
   ...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
ski bum, believer in the impossible                                ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: Salida, Colorado--Monarch Ski Area?
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:03:07 GMT

In article <Bt78yK.E4M@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> dmccarro@sedona.intel.com writes:
>By the way, when in Colorado, it's Go Broncos.

Funny. I've lived here nearly 5 years now, and I've always
done my best iGnOre Broncos.  Now when we have a major-league
baseball team...

Best thing about professional football is that on Superbowl Sunday
most ski areas are empty, and some discount cards (GEM in particular)
let you ski for $10.
-- 
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/ Andy Gerber		     / gerber@solbourne.com               /
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From: klaus@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Page me for powder (Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7)
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:49:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Aug19.171134.21872@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>>...4WD Suburban stocked with 3 pairs of skis, cooler and powder

>My stuff stays cold at Alta without need for a cooler.


I put my stuff in a cooler when I ski Alta so that it doesn't freeze
before the end of the day. Wicked cold there ya know.. wicked cold.

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

		Everytime I hear the term twisted pair...
		I think of this couple I used to know.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note was Banff
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:04:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug12.212205.10346@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.161314.11639@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu
>(David Leon) writes:
>>I am still somewhat of a novice snow-skier.  What exactly is heli-skiing?

>You need to get better first.
>Heliskiing is: you shell out around $350 a day (or more) and take a lift
>to the top of the mountain using a helicopter.  
>Heliskiing is without question, one of the most hazardous sports on earth:
>the bird can crash, you can have avalanches since the skiing is in a less
>controlled area, you can hit trees (most frequent lethal until recently),
>you can fall into crevaces, off cliffs, etc.

I'll second that , For a true perspective on Heli Skiing check the back issues
of sports illustrated for a long article on heli skiing. Much more 
realistic then the pictures of crystal clear blue skiis and untracked 
powder. 

Most days are overcast and have very low visibility which drives the skiers into the trees
for the required visibility. Once in the trees the major danger is hitting the
trees or getting stuck in the tree wells ( depressions in the snow under trees ) and 
suffocating to death. 

Of course Avalanche is a serious danger, less so is the mechanical failure of the
copter.

Heliskiing is dangerous and exhausting, in fact during the heliskiing experience
of which the sports ilustrated article is written a member of the group was killed.

Still, I'd try it.
Dave

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Monty Python and the Quest for the FAQ
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:57:34 GMT

FAQs:
	Spaf and I (and others) created a monster.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fineman@kronos-arclan.arc.nasa.gov (Charles Fineman)
Subject: Steamboat Annex?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:12:50 GMT


I asked this question a while back but got no response:

I was in Steamboat last season and a couple of the locals told me that
Steamboat was trying to get land on another mountain and make a resort
that was mostly blue and black stuff. Does anyone know anything about
this?

	Chuck

--
From: jdr@wang.com (Joe Rolfe)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:28:39 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

jbh@anat.UMSMED.EDU (James B. Hutchins) writes:

 stuff deleted

>Has anyone on the net tried this area?  How was it?  I'm
>looking for the infamous blue-black (or is it black 'n' blue)
>runs, having skied rather badly for 20 yrs now.


we went there in March a few years ago, the snow tended to be strange
nice up top, potatoes in the middle, slush at the bottom, i guess you have
to expect it with a mile of vertical.  i have heard from others it can be
"strange" any time of year.

storms usually start out with good snow up and down the mountain and the wet 
line rises thru out the storm.  one storm we had lasted three days, starting
as powdery snow all over ending up with wet cement on top of powder.  nice
lanching conditions (i got caught in a small one - have not been the same 
since)

be prepared for any kind of weather.


they have enough terrain to keep most everyone happy - i was partial to
Whistler myself - after lanching on Blackcomb.

>Thanks for any help!

>Jim

>-- 
>Jim Hutchins                    []     E-Mail: jbh@anat.umsmed.edu
>Dept of Anatomy                 []
>Univ Mississippi Med Ctr        []


well worth the trip 


joe 
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:58:10 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 06/7
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!

   Index:
       1) Warnings  
       2) Equipment
       3) Clothing
       4) Technique
       5) Transportation
       6) Lodging
       7) Miscellaneous
       8) Lest we become too serious

 ------------------- Section 06: Lodging -------------------

 6.01) "Where's the best place to stay in <insert favorite state here>?"
       
    
     Well that's a pretty big question. The only answer as of this printing
     of the faq is that if you're talking about Utah you should ftp Walt
     Haas' information from ski.utah.edu. Anybody else wanna start a 
     similar service?

     It's also a good bet to contact the local chamber of commerce. They
     can provide you with a list of hotels/motels in the area.


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: WHAT'S NEW FOR 92/93 at Colorado Ski Areas
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.012244.16425@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
|> I wrote:
|> >|> LaCroixs -- nice skis.  Tried them at Aspen.  Very light.
|> 
|> In article <1992Aug12.180843@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com
|> (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
|> >To tell the truth, they are not that great  really. In my usual
|> >predicament : steeply inclined skating rink or uggly agglomerations
|> >of "frozen granular" called moguls 
|> 
|> Fine and light for powder.  That what I ski for.
|> I decided that if I ever took a detail at WDC over winter, that I would
|> not take my skis back East.  Personal preference.  You guys back East can
|> have your slopes. 8^)

|> >|> I bet Bogner suits are okay until you need to take a dump.
|> >I fall in the named suit  more then I bargain for
|> >and SUIT seems to be doing just fine .  Next step - padded suit.
|> >|> I will stick with my climbing suit for skiing.
|> >|> Far more practical.
|> >Practicality is not an issue when the goal is to irk real skiers.
|> 
|> The OTHER kind of dump. #2.
|> Simulation: try ex-lax.
|> THAT is practicality. 8^)

Here is where ski-in/ski-out comes handy ... Handy ?
Besides, unless this vaunted climbing  suit of yours provides exceptional
means of concealment (or containment), on crowded Eastern hills it will 
be of little utility in the above mentioned endeavor  :-)


|> >Unfortunately, Vail is the only ski resort where one can procure a decent
|> >croissant this side of Alps : I love Vail if only for that.

|> Okay.

Is that a quiet admission   of Vail's superiority on at least ONE count
over ski regions favoured by real skiers ?

|> >Cheers, 
|> 
|> Kom-pi!
|> Shalom!

Zdorovenki booly !
		Sergei


P.S. the  selection of topics and depth of treatize in 
	this group  in-between seasons  is nothing short of impressive.
	If we are to retain any collective sanity, it better start snowing 
	soon (in my case, snow guns better start blowing ...)
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:15:52 GMT
Subject: How to get the rec.skiing FAQ
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Several people have recently asked about the rec.skiing FAQ. The answer
to the most frequently asked question about the FAQ is "Yes...it does
exist." However, the FAQ is a new addition to rec.skiing and is currently
under construction. It has been posted here a couple of times, and will
be again...as soon as I can work in some of the changes that have
been suggested. In the mean time, requests for the FAQ should be directed
viea e-mail to me...I'll send you what we've got so far!


 ..glen
 glenb@sr.hp.com
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