HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ben@idc.idc.com (Ben Eng)
Subject: WANTED: a "tip" for SunOS/Solaris with Zmodem file transfer
Keywords: tip modem
Organization: InfoDesign Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:33:51 GMT

I am looking for a version of tip that is capable of performing
Zmodem binary file transfers.

I have compiled tipx (from ftp.uu.net), but I cannot get the
file transfer mechanism to work.  The tipsz and tiprz programs
that are called from tip do not work properly.  I always get a
"sh: xxxxx Arithmetic exception" message, and sometimes the
tiprz program even dumps core.

Has anyone been able to get tipx's file transfer programs to run
properly under SunOS 4.1.2?

I have tried tipx and pcomm now, and I can't get either program's file
transfer mechanism to work at all.  Is there a tip-like program with
Zmodem file transfer that is known to work under SunOS?  I definitely
do not want to have to resort to kermit!

Ben
-- 
InfoDesign Corporation    (416)-928-6800
ben@idc.com (Ben Eng)
Newsgroups: ont.uucp
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: I'm outa here for a week
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:59:57 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

Just to let everyone know that I will be out of town (Montreal) for a week
so if anything goes wrong with your connection to druid it will have to
wait till the 28th.

Merry Christmas.

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com)  |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082   |
Newsgroups: ont.uucp
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Noweh.COM downtime
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:11:52 GMT

In article <GEORGN.92Dec18022656@idcrisis.noweh.com> georgn@noweh.com (Georg S. Nikodym) writes:
>noweh.com will be down intermittently over the weekend for the
>addition of a whole bunch o' disk space.  I trust that this won't bug
>anyone too much...

yeah, except us that envy you for having all that extra space.

it bugs me.

can i have some?  8^)

oops, i guess those would be SMD drives.  sorry, don't have enough wattage.



-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[             I don't want to work for a company that has a CIO.              ]
[              Disclaimer! I don't need no stinking Disclaimer!               ]
From: marc@fozzi.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Donovan)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Lease renewals
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:22:49 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

In article <Bz0EGu.DLo@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:
>Last April I co-signed a 1-year lease on a townhouse.  It will be coming
>up for renewal soon.  As I understand it, I don't actually have to sign
>another lease, correct?  If I don't, it becomes a month-to-month tenancy
>and I only have to give 60 days notice before vacating, right?  I don't want

In Ontario, you definitely do not have to sign another lease.  You can go 
month-to-month and the landlord cannot refuse to rent to you.  There are 
also only limited reasons that a landlord can give to kick you out.
Call your local Tenant's Association for more information (Mississauga 
should have one, as does Waterloo)
 
<marc>


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marc@fozzi.ocunix.on.ca                          #1 Antares Dr, Ste 400
                                                 Nepean, ONT   K2E-8C4
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: OSAP--one small voice for the new plan
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:21:29 GMT

kim@watnow.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>Geoff Vona (geoff@jts.com) writes:
>>     Without OSAP grants, I wouldn't have been able to get through my
>>   first year of university.  Change the grant to a loan, and I would have
>>   had it paid off within six months of graduation.  Take away the money
>>   altogether, and my degree goes with it.
>>
>>     Can anyone clear this up: is the money still available for student
>>   assistance, or is it completely cut?
>>
>Of the $240 million in OSAP grants budgeted last year, only $130
>million will be rechanneled into the OSAP loan system, ie. a net loss
>of $110 million in student funding.

Excuse me?  Are you trying to say that a loss of $240 million in grants
(ie: money that is given out without repayment) should be replaced by
$240 million expenditures in a loan system (ie: money that is *hopefully*
repaid) in order for student funding to remain the same?

I argue that there is no loss in funding, and there could perhaps be
an increase.

Whether money is made available throught grants or loans, there is
naturally an administration cost that the tax payer must pick up.

However, the actual cash that is made available through grants MUST be
provided by the taxpayer.

With a loan system, the only cost to the tax payer is due to the interest
that is not charged to the student during their time of study and six
additional months, plus any loans that are defaulted.

Overall, the same amount of cash flow for student funding can be made
available for a reduced cost to the tax payer with a loan program.

 
Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE          | "...My brain IBM"
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute    | "So if you see me, acting stangely..."
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |                  STYX, Mr. Roboto
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: wcswt2@alfred.carleton.ca (Pugwash -- Michael Gifford)
Subject: Ride to Toronto
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:03:43 GMT

Hello...
          A friend of mine is renting a car to go to Toronto on the
23rd and then coming back on the 28th or so..

          Anyways, he needs peopple to fill the car and to help cover
the costs..  Please write to me here if you are interested.  Actually,
they are making their way to London if that is any better..

Mike
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Regulation 790
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:48:36 GMT

In article <3859@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>Marc Roussel (mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote:
>#
>#      I hope I won't sound like I'm repeating myself, but that's why you
># don't go to court without your own lawyer.  It's his or her job to make
># sure that the Crown doesn't walk all over you.
>
>You are repeating yourself.  There are no guarantees that your lawyer
>will be successful in preventing the Crown (or the opposing attorney
>in a civil suit!) from making you look like a gun happy fool.

Of course not, especailly if you ARE a gun happy fool.
>
>Rob.
>--
>Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com


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Newsgroups: ont.general
From: u190@csx.cciw.ca (Efraim Halfon)
Subject: Re: Lease renewals
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:24:53 GMT

The last time I checked the landlord-tenant act, it is implicit that you
will remain on as a month to month tenant (60 days notice).  You needn't
sign anything, and the terms follow whatever your previous lease said (the
rent might be more flexible, I don't remember -- like 60 days notice of
the increase or something).  It is set up this way, incase it takes a few
months to re-negotiate the lease (which you're under no particular
obligation to do).  Either way, your landlord must give at least 60 days
notice to evict you, anyway (as I recall).

I would say, don't sign a lease, and if you want more exact info on the
landlord's flexibility check out the UofWaterloo Ombudsperson Office (I
guess they'll be back in January).

Dale Wick
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos)
Subject: ***  House For Rent - Toronto  ***
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:01:31 GMT
Summary: 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, kitchen, living & dining rooms, etc. $1092/mo
Keywords: house, rent

HOUSE FOR RENT - Central Toronto
********************************
- located in the Dupont and Ossington area; close to schools, TTC, shopping
- 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, kitchen, living and dining rooms, backyard
- rent is $1092/month + utilities

If interested, please contact Viki Kirikos at 416-537-1756.

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| George Kirikos                   Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca      |
| Toronto, Canada                 Telephone: (416) 537-1756                 |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Regulation 790
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:31:10 GMT
Distribution: ont
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Marc Roussel (mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote:
# robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
# >There is little difference between what an internal investigation unit
# >would consider justified and what will be made to appear unjustified
# >or even dangerous by an attourney.   If you've ever been to a trial you
# >will have seen the games that are played.
#
#      I hope I won't sound like I'm repeating myself, but that's why you
# don't go to court without your own lawyer.  It's his or her job to make
# sure that the Crown doesn't walk all over you.

You are repeating yourself.  There are no guarantees that your lawyer
will be successful in preventing the Crown (or the opposing attorney
in a civil suit!) from making you look like a gun happy fool.

Rob.
--
Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: wcswt2@alfred.carleton.ca (Pugwash -- Michael Gifford)
Subject: Ride Needed from Ottawa (or kingston) to Syracuse, NY
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:23:24 GMT

Hello Again...
          I need a ride from Ottawa or possibly Kingston, to Syracuse
on either the 20th, 21st or 22nd of December.  If you are going that
way, or know of someone who is..  Please reply by email and I will get
back to you as quickly as I can..  Thanks..

Mike..
From: Lerxst@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Lerxst)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Southern Ontario BBS Numbers...
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:20:12 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

Good day.

Does anyone in the Southern Ontario area know of any local BBS numbers. 
I'm looking specifically for local ones around the Hamilton\Wentworth -
Dundas areas.

I'll be home for Christmas and am going to help my dad get his modem
working and I need some places to call (except back up here to Ottawa)!!

Any input will be welcome.

Mille mercis!!

_Don

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Don Douglas
Lerxst@qube.ocunix.on.ca
Moslem or Christian Hullah or Pope,
Preacher or poet who was it wrote,
Give any one species too much rope
And they'll F*%#K it up...
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: Takedown (was re: Regulation 790)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:44:15 GMT

My parents witnessed the same incident!  Their heartbeats were 
affected quite a lot, too.

They were southbound on Fisher, and although they saw most of the
action, they were able to continue on.  They inquired at their
bank (N.S.) if it had been robbed, and it turned out that the
KMart Pharmacy was the location held up.

(Why the Pharmacy?  and how did they get out of the store?)

-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
=========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========

Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general
From: calvert@QueensU.CA (John Calvert)
Subject: Drive-away, AlloStop and other ways to travel
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:38:12 GMT

Does anyone have experience using a drive-away service, either as
a car owner or driver? How about a company AlloStop in Toronto
that links rides offered with rides needed?

I'm trying to get to New Brunswick for the holidays and am seeking
creative solutions.

P.S. drive-away is a service where a company arranges for drivers
to deliver a car somewhere, often long-distance, usually one-way.

John Calvert
calvert@mast.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general,ott.general
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Takedown (was re: Regulation 790)
Keywords: guns cops arrest
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.205837.6671@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dragog@bnr.ca writes:
>With all this discussion about Regulation 790, I have one simple question?
>If four cops each draw a gun on a suspect, do they fill out four forms, or
>fill our one form, with four signatures ? ;-)
>
>Actually, this post is about an event I witnessed yesterday that will
>remain with me for as long as I live.
>
>I was driving back to work at 3 pm (I had a doctor's appointment), here in
>Ottawa, going north on Fisher, getting into the left turn lane to turn
>west onto Baseline.  I passed a Nepean Police R.I.D.E. van in the lane to
>my right.  I was curious, but thought nothing of it, why the driver had
>left 20 feet of space in front of him.  I pulled in behind a large cube
>van, which obscured my vision of the intersection.
>
>I heard a police siren, and a police cruiser entered the intersection
>eastbound on Baseline, cutting of my line, and the next lane over.  Another



>One of the cops from the van gets in front of my car, hides behind the cube
>van, and points his gun to the station wagon to my front right!!!  Only
>a couple of feet away.  The cop starts yelling to the driver to leave



>Two cops, converged on him, while a third provided cover.  One pulled
>out a pair of handcuffs.  It took about 2 minutes for them to cuff him.



>Later, a cop went by and explained to me and the driver behind me that
>the suspect was wanted for a robbery.  The cop looked relieved.  I was
>still in shock, as some friends can attest, when I returned to work, my
>mouth would not cease describing the events.
>

Actually, this was all staged for an episode of "Kids in the Hall".
They go for realism.
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Newsgroups: ont.general
From: sahayman@cs.toronto.edu (Steve Hayman)
Subject: Re: Lease renewals
Organization: NeXT Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:16:45 GMT

>> If I don't, it becomes a month-to-month tenancy
>>and I only have to give 60 days notice before vacating, right?  
>

Right.  One thing I didn't realize until we gave our notice was that
the 60 days notice has to be aligned with your normal rent payments.
I.e. if you pay on the 1st, and today is December 15th, you cannot give
notice today that you are leaving February 15th.  Today, all you can say
is "I am vacating March 1st".
Newsgroups: ont.events
From: Kaizhong Zhang <kzhang@csd.uwo.ca>
Subject: Reminder: Colloq. Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1992 at 2:00pm
Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:14:48 GMT
To: 42131_3665@uwovax.uwo.ca, KIRBY@VAXR.SSCL.UWO.CA, allcs@csd.uwo.ca,
        brenda@engrg.uwo.ca, creider@csd.uwo.ca, dawes@uwovax.uwo.ca,
        eagleson@uwovax.uwo.ca, elmarag@uwovax.uwo.ca, grads@csd.uwo.ca,
        hugh@engrg.uwo.ca, jjiang@uwovax.uwo.ca, m.kinnucan@uwo.ca,
        marcu@csd.uwo.ca, ont.events@newshost.uwo.ca, tague@uwo.ca,
        undergrads@gaul.csd.uwo.ca, uwo.general@newshost.uwo.ca,
        wy@apmaths.uwo.ca, zakaria@csd.uwo.ca

          The University of Western Ontario
            Department of Computer Science

                    COLLOQUIUM

Speaker: Professor Arto Salomaa, Academy of Finland
Title:   Immigration and Slenderness: Recent Results on L Systems
Time:    Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1992, at 2:00pm
Place:   MC 320
Abstract:
     Lindenmayer systems or L systems are language-theoretic models
  originally introduced to describe the development of simple
  filamentous organisms.  L systems have turned out to be very 
  suitable for computer graphics, apart from stimulating very much 
  research in theoretical computer science.
     The lecture gives a brief introduction to L systems in general,
  as well as an overview of some recent theoretical work I have done
  in collaboration with J\"{u}rgen Dassow, Juha Honkala and 
  Gheorghe Paun.  The work concerns L systems of the simplest kind,
  D0L systems.  Most of the lecture does not presuppose any previous
  knowledge about the area.
Xref: sparky ont.events:596 soc.culture.caribbean:1925 rec.music.afro-latin:803
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: kingston.events,ont.events,soc.culture.caribbean,rec.music.reggae,rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Live Reggae/Calypso band appearing in Kingston, Ontario.
Summary: Something to warm you up -- c'mon in out of the cold!
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: kingston.events
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Appearing live this Saturday, December 19, 1992:

Saint "O" (a band from Toronto, specializing in Reggae and Calypso 
music styles).

Location:  The Tropicana Lounge         Please call:
           686 Princess Street          (613) 542-0014
           Kingston, Ontario            for more information

Tickets $7.00/person in advance, $9.00/person at the door.

+---------< Unabashed Shabba Ranks Fan! >---------+
| Steve Frampton  -  frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | 
| Vicuna Systems BBS  (613) 547-5066  [v.32/v.42] |
+-------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: ont.test
From: woods@elegant.com (Greg A. Woods)
Subject: This is a test
Summary: this is a summary of a test
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:45:06 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc.


This was a spelling error
Newsgroups: ont.test
From: peter@scilink.org (Peter Renzland)
Subject: don't read this
Organization: Plan It Earth -- SciLink Network
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:49:28 GMT

post-move post-test (post!=post)
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| Peter Renzland  <peter@renzland.ORG>     +1 416 323-1300 |   Je danse   |
| UniForum Canada .. SciLink .. Ontario Ministry of Health | donc je suis |
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: ont.test
Subject: semprini is on the air... hopefully!
Summary: It's a TEST.
Keywords: test
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Followup-To: ont.test
Distribution: ont
Organization: InterZONE Design
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992


This is a big bad test.  Hopefully, it'll hit ont.test at some point.

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Chris Herborth
herborth@semprini.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: ont.test
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: test
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:40:29 GMT

test
Newsgroups: ont.test
From: bryanf@cspace.comspec.com (Bryan Fullerton)
Subject: Yes, a test...
Organization: Cyberspace
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:10:16 GMT


Test, test, test, test, test #1


-- 
--------------------- All comments and opinions are my own --------------------
Bryan Fullerton                                         Computer Variables, Inc
bryanf@cspace.comspec.com                        155 East Beaver Creek, Unit 27
uunet.ca!comspec!cspace!bryanf           Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada L4B 2N2
Xref: sparky ont.test:489 can.test:8 misc.test:14301 alt.test:16840
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: ont.test,can.test,misc.test,alt.test
Subject: Is semprini on the air?
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Organization: InterZONE Design
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

This is merely a pathetic test message, much like all of the ones in
these newsgroups...

If anyone sees this, semprini is on the air!  Wahoo!
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Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: venkata@aix1.uottawa.ca (4048)
Subject: test
Originator: venkata@aix1.uottawa.ca
Organization: University of Ottawa Computer Centre
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:00:12 GMT


test
:x
s
:q

Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs,ott.general
From: ceagan@bcars668.UUCP (Charles Eagan)
Subject: Job opportunity in Guelph, Ont.
Keywords: job guelph OO manufacturing
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:29:41 GMT


I am posting this for a friend that does not have access to this group:

Internet: bob@peer.on.ca
    UUCP: uunet!uunet.ca!peer!bob    
     Tel: (519) 763-4445

Please send replies directly to bob@peer.on.ca

------------------------------------------------------------------------
The PEER Group Inc. is a Guelph based software developer providing 
next generation manufacturing solutions.  We currently have the 
following ground floor opportunities for highly motivated, mobile 
applications developers.

Smalltalk Application Developer

This individual will work in a high-performance team to develop an 
advanced architecture product for international markets. The ideal 
candidate will have a degree in engineering or computer science, with 
2+ years in OO analysis, design and implementation using Smalltalk in 
UNIX, client/server and SQL based systems.

CELLworks Application Developer

Working with state-of-the-art application enabler tools, this developer 
will design, develop and implement factory automation and 
information applications. The ideal candidate will have an engineering 
degree with 4+ years in leading manufacturing automation projects 
employing distributed  control architectures in UNIX or QNX. C, C++ 
and PLC programming experience would be an asset.

Mail resumes to Robert Harris, The PEER Group, P.O. Box 1325, 
Guelph ON N1H 6N8, fax to 519/824-0774, or email to 
bob@peer.on.ca

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Robert Harris, President
The PEER Group Inc.

Internet: bob@peer.on.ca
    UUCP: uunet!uunet.ca!peer!bob    
     Tel: (519) 763-4445

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From: dwarren@bfield.uucp (Dave Warren)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: kao
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:29:43 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

Does anyone know if the Disk company KAO is still hiring/training

I read in the Globe they were...I believe they are based near Kingston or
Ottawa
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: cs911425@ariel.yorku.ca (ILYA ZAYLER)
Subject: career opportunity
Originator: cs911425@c01.ariel.yorku.ca
Keywords: technical support persone
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:28:46 GMT



CAREER OPPORTUNITY

Technical Support Persone (full time)  is required to solve
technical issues via the phone.
Excellent spoken English, good analytical skills and knowledge
of DOS, MS-WINDOWS, UNIX and X-WINDOWS are mandatory.


Please send your resume to :
Suzanne Nixon
HummingBird Communications Ltd.
2900 John Street, Unit 4
Markham, Ontario
L3R 5G3

Fax  (416) 470-1207
Tel. (416) 470-1203

E-mail: steve@hcl.com
Newsgroups: ont.jobs