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From: wh24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Weiqing Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Asia Cup Results
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yez1N1e00VpG0Ys0kB
Distribution: usa
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,soccer-fans:

Unfortunately, China had been defeated by Japan (2-3) in the semifinal.

Group A
-=-=-=-
30 Oct	N Korea   0-2   Iran
30 Oct  Japan     0-0   UAE

01 Nov	UAE       0-0   Iran
01 Nov  Japan     1-1   N Korea

03 Nov	UAE       2-1   N Korea
03 Nov  Japan     1-0   Iran

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Japan		3 1 2 0  2  1  4
UAE		3 1 2 0  2  1  4
Iran		3 1 1 1  2  1  3
N Korea		3 0 1 2  2  5  1

Japan and UAE end up with identical points and goals.
Japan placed first after drawing lots.

Group B
-=-=-=-
29 Oct 	S Arabia   1-1   China
29 Oct	Qatar      1-1   Thailand

31 Oct	China      0-0   Thailand
31 Oct	S Arabia   1-1   Qatar

02 Nov	S Arabia   4-0   Thailand
02 Nov	China      2-1   Qatar

		P W D L  F  A Pts
S Arabia	3 1 2 0  6  2  4
China		3 1 2 0  3  2  4
Qatar		3 0 2 1  3  4  2
Thailand	3 0 2 1  1  5  2


Semi-Finals
06 Nov    Japan  3-2 China
          Saudi Arabia 2-0 UAE

08 Nov    Saudi Arabia-Japan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:19:20 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore.

Clinton is on the sun sign of PRESIDENT.
Interesting.
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:57:08 GMT

In article <100723@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.125049.2293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>Even if Bush did intend for his statement to be interpreted universally, I
>>think he's wrong. Is there a right and wrong place to protest mass murder?
>
>I don't think Bush is wrong. One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>Against Their Country.
>
>He did not say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their
>government, neither did he say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>Against Their government's wrong doing.
>
>Get the difference?

Yes, I see the difference between demonstrating against one's *country* and
against one's *government*. And I think you are right to point out the
difference.

However, even though Bush used the term "country", I think it is obvious
that those who were demonstrating against the Vietnam War (including
Clinton) were not demonstrating against the U.S., they were protesting
against the *policy* of the U.S. *government* in Vietnam. 

> Please donate.

What does this have to do with the discussion we're having?

>-- 
>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: a joke about Clinton elected
Keywords: hint: Janifer Flowers. 
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 06:30:07 GMT

In article <BxB1z0.56z@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>"Why did you compaign so hard?" one asked President elect Clinton.
>"I like to try more flowers in Rose Garden!" He answered.

It is not funny at all!

Luo Wang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30006 soc.culture.taiwan:15196 soc.culture.hongkong:14088
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:16:01 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <11005@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, gong@cs.uq.oz.au (Ming Gong) writes:
|> In <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
|> 
|> >Shame on you, godless Chinese!
|> 
|> >When you do NOT have God in your heart,
|> 
|> >	you think blah blah your God;
|> 
|>    It is better than thinking Juses Christ your God, who was a lier.
|>    He called himself the son of the God, but he was a man with some
|>    special abilities which were interpreted by himself as power 
|>    authorited by God. This is the biggest lie in the history, today
|>    many people show the same abilities, like masters of Qi Gong (sort
|>    of martial art). 
|> 
|>    One more proof is that God creating mankind is nonsense. The Bible
|>    said that God created a man modeling himself. So God has all the 
|>    organs a man has, but what his organs for, fucking air?
|> 
|>    IF THERE WERE A GOD, HE SHOULD HAVE NO FORM!
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agreed with what you said above except the above sentence. 

IF THERE WERE A GOD, THEN HE/SHE/IT/THEY MAY TAKE ANY FORM. 

Just for argument sake, there is no reason to restrict God to have or not having
any form.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:20:00 GMT

>>(deleted stuff)
>>
>>Hmmmmmm, what? What is this guy trying to say? Is he trying to make fun
>>of other people or is he making a fool of himself? Anyone?
>>
>>ZZZ
> 
> 
>  I think he was telling a joke.  Frankly, I enjoyed it.  Here is another
>straight translation of CHinese slogan:
>  Chairman Mao ten thousand years old!
>  I know you could say long live, but I am a 'bad egg' and if you are 'no three
>no four', I'll give you some color see see.
>  This is a joke, no insult meant (not original though).
> 
>  Brian 

   How about this joke : A female Chinese officer went with her interpretor
to an airport to greet an American visitor. 
When they met,the American said: "Oh,Miss ***,you are so beautiful !"  
She responded with a typical Chinese modesty :" Na3 Li3, Na3 Li3 "
But the interpretor translated it like this: "Where, where ?"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:13:03 EST
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Status of 3d preference

Could anyone explain this: if a university professor applies for permanent
residence, does s/he belong to the 2d or the 3d preference?
Luo.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:09:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <BxKGyD.CLy@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>
>Lu Gang wrote letters to major newspapers and he gave the letters of
>one of his `friends' to mail out. I wonder who of the following handed in 

According to report, not "one of his `friends'", but 4 or 5 copies to his
"friends".

>Lu Gang's letters to police and why. 

They were shocked. Please excuse them. And never mention that. Otherwise
ALL of them will shut you up:-(


--
From: weig@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Interesting
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:10:52 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology



A friend, after reading some posts on SCC, told me:
It is realy interesting, you see, their English is better than ours though
they are from a non-English-speaking country; they are more democratic minded
though they were brought up in a nation rulled by dictatorship.

I ... agree, but I can't explain why.
From: PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:45:51 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
From: kelvin@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Kelvin Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Asian Cup
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:11:53 GMT
Reply-To: kelvin@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Kelvin Hu)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

Anyone have the news about Asian Cup Soccer, Please post it or send
me a mail. Thanks!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: engp2030@nusunix1.nus.sg (WU HU)
Subject: test
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:24:43 GMT
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:49:03 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <PWU.92Nov9200056@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, by pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu):
>     From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
>       * * *
>     OK, so let's just live with this human right abuse. Remember the guy who
>     cried on the net about his finger record being distributed without consent
>     by another guy? Believe it or not, it's not *just* me who is sick of someone
>     else claiming to act on his behalf.
>     
> I don't see anything warrants the glorious "human right" label here.  It is my
> opinion that one puts only the things in .plan or .project that he wants other
> people to know.  If he does not, he has put them in the wrong place.


I'm the guy who intentionally put some 'flavor' in my .plan for whoever 
wants to enjoy (you may consider the other way) when reading it.  I know 
what I've been doing! -- anyway this is not the point.  The point is: 
Whether in the wrong place or not, this has nothing to do with getting 
sick of somebody else (whom you don't know) who DISTRIBUTES your finger 
record, especially your address, PUBLICALLY without your permission.  
This kind of behavior is totally irresponsible, unjustifiable and 
seriously offends human right!  

Yes you have every right to finger somebody (that's what finger records 
are for) but you absolutely have no right to distribute it publically 
--hence irresponsibly-- w/o his permission.

Seems that being in American society is not at all equal to being aware 
of the idea of privacy and respect of it. -- This Western thing is just 
too difficult for quite a few Chinese to get used to even though they 
_physically_ live in the States.  What a shame!
--
From: Eric_Leo@MTS.RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Radio Australia
Date: 8 Nov 1992 16:30:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

Hello, everyone:
 
I have received several reply messages since I posted last time 
requesting the address of RA Chinese Service. I really appreciate the
help. However, I am sorry I could not responce to them individually due
to my busy schedule.
 
I thank everyone who has replied to my message though I got 3 different 
addresses. I'll try them all.
 
Bye.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:02:00 GMT

> 
>Bush congratulated Clinton personally. He did not say "on behalf of the
>American people I congratulate your victory". It's fine for IFCSS to suck
>up to Clinton as a private organization(I am sure a lot of others do as well)
>But it's another question for it to say or do something on behalf of others
>when proper authorization does not seem to exist.
> 
>Fan
> 
Bush's congratulation is of curse of his own,they were competing with each
other,weren't they ? While IFCSS's has to be from a group of people simply
because of her name. As far as authorization is concerned,they might not 
get your permission,but they are there representing us,and it is common
sense for such organization to do things like sending congratulation letter
to a new elected president.So they just did the thing they had to.Now you
are questioning about their claim of being on behalf of 50,000 over seas CSS,
then you tell me how they should write the letter.Wouldn't it be funny for
them to say:"Congratulation Mr. Bill Clinton,we the committe members of IFCSS
Geng Xiao,Zhao Haiqing,...hope you..."? On the other hand,it is Li3 Mao4
to do so,haven't you seen so many congratulation letters being sent from 
goverments all over the world? I bet Chinese goverment might have or will
send their cogratulation too,which again may not on your behalf,not even
on their own either.
I think it is rediculous to ask a group's representitive to satisfy everyone
of her member's taste.
Do dozens of thousands Chinese students and scholars deserve to have an 
organization to be on their behalf?  Do they always have be Yi1 Pan2 San3
Sha1 ? Do they HAVE TO fight with each other to exaust themselves?
If you do not like IFCSS or its policy,do you have better idea,or would you
stand up and let people follow you?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:40:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.050420.3727@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:

>If the American president wants to become the president of the world, he
>should fully open his national boundary first.
>
>J Su

If the center Chinese government don't let Chinese people to vote,
it should allow every province to go independent. By the way, who
are they? Who give them right to govern China? God? Chairman Mao?
Heaven?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:09:41 GMT
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang) wrote:

+In article <2AFB878D.21935@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
+>didn't they elect you as the US president?  That's the first impression about 
+>the subject issue.
+>
+>The second thing I feel necessary to talk is: the US election is full of
+>cheating.  Richard Nixon's Water Gate event is familiar to everyone's ear.
+>
+>The good thing about the US system is that they are not "too much"--they
+>
+>shannon
+>-------
+
+So, Shannon, which is better, US democracy or CCP communist?
+
+Please give me your own idea.

	The Chinese system was designed and modified by the Chinese people
	in order to make China work;

	The US system was designed and modified by the American people
	in order to make the US work.

	If we move the Chinese system to the US, the US won't work;

	If we move the US system to China, China won't work.

	The US system can be easily implemented, not because they are 
	smarter, but because they have less Mei3Jian4;

	The Chinese system is harder to implement, not because the Chinese
	people are stupid, but because they need to face more HanJian, and 
	therefore, they need to spend more time in dealing with their internal
	issues.

	Then, it comes to the same question again: chicken first or egg first?
	I.e., the Chinese system was broken first, or the Chinese HanJian 
	came out first?  To get a clear answer about this, you propably need
	to consult the history professors.  But, it's for sure that it was
	HanJian came out first in the history segment of YaPian War--Today.

	SO, it's hard for me to say which system is better.  

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shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Subject: Re: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:51:03 GMT

In article <2AFB878D.21935@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>didn't they elect you as the US president?  That's the first impression about 
>the subject issue.
>
>The second thing I feel necessary to talk is: the US election is full of
>cheating.  Richard Nixon's Water Gate event is familiar to everyone's ear.
>
>The good thing about the US system is that they are not "too much"--they
>
>shannon
>-------

So, Shannon, which is better, US democracy or CCP communist?

Please give me your own idea.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle & Editor-in Chief of People's Daily
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:10:10 GMT

### On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:52:58 EST, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> said:

>> Wow, Dan, the PotatoE Man = President?  This equation sure looks funny!

PXW10%  You think it is funny that Dan be the president of USA. How about someone
PXW10%  who pronounces Melbourne (a city in Austrilia) as He (black)-er-ben being
PXW10%  the chief editor of People's Daily?

PXW10%  Peter


Peter, from which source did you know this story and whose the name of
the editor-in-chief?

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yihong@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Fan Yihong)
Subject: Return visa for persons after 4/11/90
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:07:20 GMT


Hi, my friend came here after 4/11/90 and wants to go back CHina for a 
small trip, can he apply and GET the return visa here before his leaving?

Thank you for your help and time.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:42:09 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:

 >From: fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang)
 >Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
 >Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:21:35 GMT
 >(deleted)
 >However, I noticed that in scc, some democracy comrades have a different
 >tone in their aguments than ordinary people. I've been used of it after

              Always so. Don't expect people no second thought.

              Some d-comrades on scc think only their voices
              most important( actually everyone wishes so).
              That's ok. But if you lose respects to others,
              or even impose your ideas on others,
              democracy is meaningless. That's why the word
              "equal" is so important. And playing by rule
              is so important.

              What a pity is that no matter ccp or d-fighters,
              their arguments are just to try to get more right
              or power for themselve.D-fighters may support
              democracy. But they are worrying losing .
              In other word, they are afraid of democracy also.
              Some just make the d-case to fight with ccp,neither
              for democracy nor for more equal society.
              Some say for democracy, but don't want to work
              with democracy and don't want to play by rule.
              They are still in their dictatorship circle.

              Sounds so complecated. Actually
              it's not only the right to vote, but
              a common commitment in daily life.

              We need to learn more and more.

 >several months of experience in scc. But every time I see it, still give
 >me some kind of unspeakable feeling.
 >I hope this is not caused by 'democracy'.
 >
 >Yi Fang



             Too serious to be taken by myself.

             Let's sing "Hao3 Liao3 Ge1", forget everything.
             Ren Men Dou Shuo Shen Xian Hao,
                 Lao Puo Hai Zi Wang Bu Liao.
               ......
            (People say Shen2Xian1 is wonderful,
                 wife and kids yet cann't be forgotten.
             ......)

                 X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Response from CND
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:41:26 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

The following is for Mr. Y. 

			Yongfei Yan

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Subject: Re: A message from Mr. Y ...
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Dear Reader,

	Thank you for your recent contribution of Mr. Y's comments.
However, CND does not accept anonymous contributions.

Thank you again for your interest,

Lin Wei, for CND/HXWZ
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 17:19:03 EST
From: <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: let's help each other

Today I got a message that some chinese scholars and students have
founded an organization "North American Geologist Association"?(some
thing like that)> I think it is a very good start since right now
the students like me who are not covered by S1216 need to be organized
desperately in order to face our tough situation.
I believe most of the chinese students who got here not so long and had
not strong enough social relation suffered a lot about job hunting or
legal immigration status preservation.We need help.
Again I believe it is better to beg to ourself than to other people.
Any way we are not stupid. If we start to work togather in stead of
complaint ,waiting and panic-stricken, our life will be more positive
and new chinese students can suffer less. I don'n want isolate ourself
from the   help provided by other group of people.Relying on ourself
should be the most important.
I hope the chinese students who are majored in social science can give
us some better ideas and can put forward some detail suggestion about
how to organize us and how this orgnization should function.

We are weak,so we should be united. Learn something from Japanese.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: MFN & GATT
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.190013.1817@src.umd.edu> jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie) writes:
>If my memory serves,China "regain" her membership in GATT,which I was told 

	No, your memory failed.  :-(  China hasn't regained her membership
in GATT yet, but progress has been made.

>would automatically guarantee China the MFN status when trades with USA.

	No guaranttee.  But it would make it very hard for one GATT country
to impose conditions on trade to another fellow GATT country.  However
reality could be different.  US is currently at trade war with France
or EC, for example.


    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Bush has nothing to lose
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:26:39 GMT

>>    Fifty million people were celebrating Bush's defeat in Iraq.
>
>How many people Iraq has?

Over eleven million.

"Fourteen million," Sadam Hussein(?) may say.