From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:03:37 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov12.181540.5154@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>In article <BxIq14.1Hr@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Chicane" Fawcett) writes:
>>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
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>>In <1992Nov6.231312.27332@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>>
>>| 
>>|     Alabama and Miami have met 14 times.  Alabama has won 11 and lost 3 in
>>| the series.  Miami wins came in 1954 at Miami (Alabama finished 4-5-2), 1955
>>| 
>>True a long time ago Miami was bad, and Bama was very good.  
>
>    Not so long ago actually.  Football *was* played for quite some
>time prior to the decade in which Miami figured the game out.  I did
>notice that you didn't mention the more recent Miami losses in the
>home and home series that was played and that Alabama cancelled out
>of fear of an opponent thay dominated.
>
>>|    So, it is clear that Alabama would be scared to play a team they have so
>>| thoroughly dominated.  Perhaps we caught too much criticism about playing a
>>| patsy and that is why the series was stopped.  Or, perhaps Miami asked for it
>>| to be stopped for mercy's sake?
>>
>>So Miami is a patsy.  Let's talk the last ten years.  This is a list of
>
>    Unseen sarcasm again I guess.  During the time that Miami and
>Alabama played each other regularly, Miami never won.  Now, what
>should I have called them, a powerhouse?  As I stated, a team would
>have been crazy to cancel a sure win off of their schedule.  The
>*still* unanswered question is, where is there proof that Miami has
>attempted, and Alabama refused, to play a home and home series
>again?  Only in the much-worn blanket statement that all SEC schools
>are afraid to schedule Miami.  Considering the source, as well as
>the total lack of factual support, you have no case.
>
>>the best records in football for three straight years starting in 1982.
>>
>>No.	Team		Record		Years
>>
>>1.	Miami		32-1-0		1985-87
>>2.	Miami		32-1-0		1986-88
>>3.	Miami		31-2-0		1987-89
>>4.	Oklahoma	31-2-0		1985-87  ( Guess who beat them ;-> 
>>*Note: Miami beat Ok 1985 27-14, and again in 1986 28-16
>>5.	BYU		33-3-0		1983-85
>>6.	Nebraska	32-3-0		1982-84  ( Guess who took 1 of 3)
>>
>>Also, note that if Miami goes 12-0 this year we have a new spot on this 
>>little record.  The Canes would then be 34-2 from 1990-92.
>
>    Whoa there Jason.  Are those statistics I see up there?!  You
>know, those things that "are for losers"?!  I am quite familiar with, and
>have never called into question, Miami's decade of glory.  Those are
>facts and, unlike some people, I know 'em when I see 'em.
>
>>This year we played a Big-10, Pac-10, ACC, SWC, WAC, BE, and a Ind.(PSU).
>>Miami hasn't played a SEC team regular season in 1991, 1990, 1989, 1988.
>
>    Well, why won't Miami schedule them?  This could be very much a
>factor in Miami's decade of glory.  A schedule full of SEC teams
>would most likely have lessened their NC count considerably.

This is ludicrous guys. Miami had one of the SEC's best teams, FLORIDA,  on 
its regular schedule year in and year out and FLA dropped them when the 
SEC insisted on going to a 7 game schedule. This has been discussed ad nauseum
on this forum so I won't even go into it. 

>
>>We have to go back to 9/5/87 when Miami beat Florida 31-3 to find a
>>SEC team.  But, we all know what happen then.
>
>    You're right Jason, Florida is the entire SEC.

Maybe not but they've been one of the two or three best teams in the SEC
for the past five or six years. 

>
>>So Guy, tell be why you think no one in the SEC will play Miami?
>
>    I've made it abundantly clear why Alabama, at least, has no
>fear, nor any reason to fear, Miami.  Even with all of the facts
>I've fed you, you are right back to making unsunstantiated,
>factless, emotional statements that don't hold water.  As I have
>repeatedly asked you to do, you have *still* not come up with any
>evidence, other than your unshakable belief in it, that Miami has
>tried to schedule Alabama.
>
>>You, know our opinion.
>
>    Well, I know yours.  I can only hope that a few rational Miami
>athletic supporters exist in this universe.  My question still is,
>where are the facts to back up your opinions?
>

This "fear of Miami" thing is just plain silly anyway. I don't think any AD
in his right mind really wants a team like Miami on its schedule. Notre Dame
had them, took the challenge and said, "enough". Give the Canes their due. They
are damn good! Nobody in any conference, SEC, PAC10, BIG10 or Saturn 10 really 
wants a team like this on their schedule year in and year out. Not when they 
also have to deal with intraconference rivalries that turn into annual wars. 
Nobody ever won a national championship without some breathers on their 
schedule. You can't play a schedule of FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Nebraska, 
Washington, Alabama, Texas A&M, Penn State, Michigan, USC, and Notre Dame. 
See how insane that looks! If a team were to go 11-0 on that schedule then
there would be no need to have a bowl game. Just give them the MNC now! 

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Ronnie
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