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From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:27:57 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:

>In last night's game between Southampton and Manchester Utd, Keith Monkou
>nudged a ball back to the keeper from just inside the goal-area which the
>goalie handled. From the resulting kick the referee had great difficulty in
>persuading Tim Flowers, the Southampton goalkeeper to keep his distance (i.e.
>stay on the goal-line as far from the ball as he could be). The ref blew for
>the kick to be taken, United delayed for a moment and Flowers came out of his
>goal and smothered the ball before the kick was even taken. He was booked and
>the United forwards were warned not to delay the kick again. The whole incident
>wasted about 2 minutes, so much for keeping the game flowing!

I would say he was under pressure so a free kick was stupid in this case. A 
rule that is down to how a ref sees the game is no good in these days of such 
unfair refs.

Steve.
ps no bias - I don't support either team!


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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Liverpool
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:42:09 GMT

Since this place where I am writing from still does not want to recognize 
soccer as the world most popular sport, I don't have much news about my 
favourite team: Liverpool (who else). Could someone please post the lineup
for this season. Does anybody know what happenned to Gary Gillespie?. 
Thanks!!!

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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Summary: The long awaited end of this topic
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:35:47 GMT

In article <7838@public.BTR.COM> Carlos Rimola-Sarti writes:
>Michals, I am going to try to make this brief because we are begining to
>go around in circles.

Yes, let this be the final.  BTW, it is not polite to mispell 
someone's name just to express your low consideration.

>I have to wonder, if you don't think that the Copa America is "world
>competition", does the same logic apply to the European Cup? 

A *world competition* is a competition whose range is not limited
by geography, to any single country or continent. I thought you were
intelligent enough to know the meaning of words. >:-)

> (----------------- blabbing about Denmark deleted -----------------)

>>#13 or #16 or whatever. And has any of your favorite teams advanced
>>to the top 4?  Or even 8?  You see, some European teams have.

>They "damn" better have when they have more than half the teams in
>the competition!  Simple laws of probability would dictate so.

Carlos, you don't know much about probability, do you?
You see, you may have ONE team, but a STRONG one, and you will
have a large probability of success. You may have FIFTY teams,
but WEAK ones (just as you-know-which), and you'll never get
anything.

>Yes, if you agree that SA deserves at least 3 spots plus the opportunity
>to play for an additional one.  However, as I previously stated this was
>not my point of contention.  On that one, I gather we still disagree on.

OK, my last paragraph.  Let's make a final agreement. Maybe
Uruguay is a strong team, but it didn't have the luck to confirm
this in the last few World Cups.  Does it finally suit you?
But let me give you an advice.  Before you reply to someone's
posting and flame him and offend him, make sure that you
understand what's the real subject. Otherwise it will be
just blabbing to blab.

Bye. Lighten up!

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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Tuesday Results ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore

In article 6078@iti.gov.sg, harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:

Just realised I made a mistake in my earlier posting.

>Now that all teams have played 4 games....
>

Actually, Forest and Middlesbrough have only played 3. They were supposed to have a game this meedweek but it has been rescheduled to Oct 21.


>...QPR are at the top of the table
>...Southampton have yet to score at home
>...Man City and Spurs have yet to score away
>...Blackburn and Forest have yet to concede a goal at home
>

..Crystal Palace have managed to draw 4 times in 4 games!

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: BSkyB satellite feed in the U.S. ?
Keywords: lots of live English football if we can get it
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:44:34 GMT

Does anyone know if Sky Channel, a.k.a. BSkyB, (satellite channel based in 
the U.K.) can be picked up in the U.S. ?
BSkyB sounds like the English football fan's paradise.
PLEASE, PLEASE respond if you know how to pick up this channel in the U.S..

Here are the programmes they offer (times are U.K.'s):

SUPER SUNDAY (Sky Sports 2pm): Five hours of football including a live
match every week with commentary by Martin Tyler and Andy Gray.
Live game starts at 4pm [10am CDT, 11am EDT].
 
MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (Sky Sports 7pm): Second live game of the week
with Ian Darke and Andy Gray.
Live game starts either at 7.30pm or 8pm.

THE FOOTBALLER'S FOOTBALL SHOW (Sky Sports, Tuesday): Two-hour discussion
programme hosted by Richard Keys.

SKY SOCCER WEEKEND (Sky Sports, 6pm and 10pm Friday): One-hour preview of
the weekend's games.

SPORTS SATURDAY (Sky Sports): A five-hour show covering a range of sports
and including a round up of Premier League games.

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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: What is happening to Liverpool?
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/ESTEC, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.173825.20416@athena.mit.edu>, femibyte@athena.mit.edu
(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
> I just took a look at the English League standings and I'm wonedring
> what is happening to my favorite English club Liverpool? They have only
> won 1 of their 5 games and are only a few points off the bottom. I
> remember the glory days of the 80's, when Liverpool had uncontested
> dominance of the league... Is it that Souness is not as competent a
> manager as Kenny Dalglish was or what?
> 

For whatever reason Liverpool seem to have abandoned the system that served
them well from Bill Shankly until the latter days of Kenny Dalgleish, namely
having a squad of players who were hungry to play for Liverpool, buying most
new players when they were still relatively unknown and putting them in the
reserves until they learnt to play the Liverpool way. More recently, they've
been buying instant replacements. Sometimes they've been lucky (John Barnes,
possibly David James), others they've completely cocked up  (Dean Saunders,
David Speedie, Paul Stewart). They've gone for the Man Utd approach, with a
similar amount of success. When was the last time, before last season, when
Liverpool went 2 consecutive seasons without winning the league?

Of course, on the other side of Stanley Park, we're all in favour of this, and
hope that Souness will enjoy a long and unhappy reign at Anfield.

Oh, and Dean Saunders looks like he's going to Aston Villa for #2.5 million.

Regards,


Chris
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From: norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr)
Subject: Re: Souness (was Re: What's happening to liverpool)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.080652.25779@spider.co.uk> gavinm@spider.co.uk (Gavin McCallum) writes:
>
>I think one problem Souness will find is that just buying players
>wont work as well in England as it did in Scotland.Being blunt
>bringing players like Hatley,Walters,Stevens,Mcall,Gordon(?) and
>Steven to Scotland was a good move cause most Scottish Football is
>Crap!.But In England most of these players would just be considered
>Average,apart from maybe Trevor Steven('s?).

The reason Souness made Rangers successful in Scotland was because
he initially assembled a team around a framework of quality players
like Terry Butcher, Chris Woods, Graham Roberts and Ian Durrant. Sure,
Graham Roberts might not be the most subtle of players but he was the 
right signing at the right time. His commitment (much like Roy Aitken's
at Celtic) was immense. These players would NOT be regarded as average
in England or Scotland.

The essential difference between the Rangers team which Souness built
and the Liverpool team he is currently constructing/destroying (take
your pick) is that at Liverpool they are just not coming together as
a team. They are playing like 11 individuals most of the time. Also, the
analogy with Manchester United might hold less water if Alex Ferguson's
team hadn't thrown the title away to Leeds United at the end of last
season.

Neil Orr
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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Heading: Dain Bramage?? (check this out...)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:12:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.130440.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
<In article <65h-jy#@engin.umich.edu>, monan@engin.umich.edu (Michael Patrick Monan) writes:
<> 
<> 	I wish I could forget it, but I can't deny the evidence.  The most 
<> recent is a study of former national team players in Norway, years after they
<> quit the game.  Eight out of 10 had abnormalities in attention, concentration
<> and memory.
<
<It would be useful to know when this study was carried out and the time at
<which the Norwegian National Team players were actively playing football.
<Footballs 20+ years ago were very heavy particularly in wet weather when the
<leather balls absorbed large amounts of water and players would have been
<playing with such balls from a very early age and so at greater risk.  The
<modern balls are much lighter,more waterproof  and safer.

It would also be useful to know if the players were tested previous to 
playing when they were children to see if these abnormalities may already
have existed.  It's also important to keep in mind that some of the most 
skillful athletes are not the best students, thus find that their way to 
success is by primarily using their bodies as opposed to using their minds.

I don't mean to say that all football players are stupid, and I hope people
won't think I'm just overgeneralizing.  It just seems to me that all through
school, the athletes weren't always the most adept students.  They were 
genuises when it came to understanding athletics, but not so much so when
it came to math  :-)

<> 	Meanwhile, heading is taught throughout youth soccer, from team 
<> practices to the cover story in this month's Sports Illustrated for Kids.
<> 	I have a radical suggestion: Until more studies are done, let's
<> eliminate heading in youth soccer.
<
<I believe the answer is to use different size and weight balls (with
<corresponding goal and pitch size changes)for different age groups up to the
<Under 15/16 age group at which stage the regulation size ball should be
<introduced. This also improves the skill and technical ability of the
<youngsters as they play under conditions in properratio to their size.
<You cannot have proper football without heading, it is an integral
<and valuable part of the game.

Yup.  If heading was removed from the game (hypothetically of course), the
keepers would have even more of an advantage on high balls into the penalty
area.

<The World remains terrified at the possible affect N. American legislators may
<have on the game of football.

I'd be as terrified of the insurance companies as of the NA legislators.

Dan
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From: pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex


 I think if you add the numbers in columns for 1st,2nd,3rd an 4th places
in WC finals, you will see where Francis got his number 4 for Argentina
from. Maybe "Participated" is a bit misleading, but it only takes a
little while to work out.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ae24@iamk4516.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Peter Januschke)
Subject: Re: Capacity of Olympia stadion, Mu"nchen
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:10:03 GMT

rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> 
>   On saturday a crowd of 64000 for Bayern - Kaiserslautern was
> reported as a sell out crowd. What have they done to the stadium?
> A few years ago the capacity was ~80000.
> 

As the "kicker Sportmagazin" states in its special issue titled
"Bundesliga 1992/93", the Olympiastadion has a capacity of exactly
69 261. I think the real capicity is higher, but they won't let
in more than 69 000 for security reasons, as someone else stated
here.
In 1972, when it was built up ready, the stadium had a capacity of
about 78 000.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tanner@kbomfg.enet.dec.com (Dave Tanner)
Subject: Re: Capacity of Olympia stadion, Mu"nchen
Organization: "Digital Equipment Co., Kaufbeuren, Germany"
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:57:35 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.011309.735@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes...
> 
>  On saturday a crowd of 64000 for Bayern - Kaiserslautern was
>reported as a sell out crowd. What have they done to the stadium?
>A few years ago the capacity was ~80000.
> 
>-- 
>Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
>rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
>      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona

  Jesper the crowd was 67000, and it was offically sold out. The stadium has
a capacity of 70000, and not 80000 as you mentioned.... No major changes have
been made to the stadium, after all its only 20years old... this year....



                                                regards......

                                                    -dave-
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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Route to 94?? Part II
Originator: moynihan_r@klingon
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:42:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
       

Wow... Sportschannel America actually called me back.  I know what
their problem was now.  Seem that Hurricane Andrew prevented them
from getting the game they were supposed to broadcast last night,
so they wound up putting on the old USA-Colombia match in its
place.  They apologized for not putting a message at the bottom
of the screen indicating what had happened, saying that it was a
"bad call" on their part.

I also spoke with Brian Ricco in programming, who told me that 
starting the 1st Sunday in September, Sportschannel America will be
broadcasting English League games, and a European highlights show.

They did say that they made a special effort to improve the 
announcing for their broadcasts, and that the current announcer
did NY Cosmos games and was much more knowledgable than previous
announcers.  (I did notice that the guy last night seemed to know
what he was talking about for the most part.)

So, it looks like Sportschannel is making the effort to improve
the quality of their soccer broadcasting.  Maybe we should give 
them some credit for it. (Now if we could only do something about
the commericals...)

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moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Go Ipswich Town!
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Looking for results: English premier (midwe
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:13:25 GMT
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore

In article 15578@projtech.com, sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain) writes:
>Hi I am looking for the result of Oldham vs. Leeds (FA Premier League)
>which was played on Tuesday 1st Sept I believe,...anyone
>know it, and if so could they please email me the result or post it?

Oldham		2	Leeds		2

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
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Subject: Comments to le Championnat, anyone?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 10:59:48 -0500
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Strange, I haven't got a SINGLE Mail commenting my postings so far. What's
up, don't you have ANY comments?

Kent
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Subject: RE: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:31:39 +0000







In <BtL0uM.HGu@newcastle.ac.uk> Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) writes
:

>J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:

>>In last night's game between Southampton and Manchester Utd, Keith Monkou
>>nudged a ball back to the keeper from just inside the goal-area which the
>>goalie handled. From the resulting kick the referee had great difficulty in
>>persuading Tim Flowers, the Southampton goalkeeper to keep his distance (i.e.
>>stay on the goal-line as far from the ball as he could be). The ref blew for
>>the kick to be taken, United delayed for a moment and Flowers came out of his
>>goal and smothered the ball before the kick was even taken. He was booked and
>>the United forwards were warned not to delay the kick again. The whole inciden
t

>>wasted about 2 minutes, so much for keeping the game flowing!

>I would say he was under pressure so a free kick was stupid in this case. A
>rule that is down to how a ref sees the game is no good in these days of such
>unfair refs.

Agreed, he was under pressure, but that's the rule. The question is did
Monkou deliberately passback, or did he was he just touching the ball away
from the United attacker? How is the referee supposed to know what Monkou's
intent was?

I object strongly to statements accusing refs of being "unfair". Referees are
taught to be impartial, but they make mistakes. That doesn't make them biased
or unfair (I suppose you might call an inconsistent referee unfair though).


>Steve.
>ps no bias - I don't support either team!

Bias, I don't support either team but I don't like United!

James M. Ross

(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
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From: ta@smith.Aus.Sun.COM (Tim Addison)
Subject: Re: WOMEN! Needed: adult female soccer players
Reply-To: ta@smith.Aus.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 08:34:17 GMT


Can you post pictures of the team exchanging shirts at the end of the
match to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.

Thanks,

Aussie Pervo.

In article l9j4ouINN1hb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, daleg@hammersmith.Eng.Sun.COM (Dale Greenley) writes:
>Apologies to regular netters for this occasional grovelling ...
>
>I coach a women's soccer team in the Bay Area Women's Soccer
>League and I am looking for a couple of players, especially defenders,
>to begin play in the fall season (begins 9/10). Knee injuries
>and pregnancies have taken their toll. :-)
>
>The league is made up of approximately 30 teams, partitioned
>into 5-6 divisions each season (1 spring, 1 fall). My team
>plays in the 1st division and usually competes for the
>league championship.
>
>Games are played on Sunday mornings in the South Bay at a number
>of different fields from Palo Alto in the north to San Jose in the south.
>
>My team generally practices one night a week (currently
>Thursday) near the 280/880 junction.
>
>If interested, please reply via email or phone.
>
>I can be reached during the day at (415)336-3988
>or in the evening or weekends at (408)395-8735
>
>Thanks,
>
>-- Dale Greenley
>
>