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From: grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: The LCII FUBAR
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:29:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ozrout.1992Apr08.152957.28878
Distribution: na
Organization: Andre P. Ozrout

Another LCII question: The Macworld article states that the LCII
was designed in a less than optimal way in order to keep its
price the same as the LC. A call to my dealer this morning
elicited hoots and giggles at the very idea.

What gives? I'm in Canada, so I guess it's possible the rules are
different here - but does anyone have an explanation for this?


-- 
Kate McDonnell
grenade@ozrout.UUCP
(ozrout!grenade@netserv.sobeco.com)
From: Arne.Venstad@delab.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Hope for a dying Mac + monitor?
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:22:58 GMT
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.


Hello!

I have got an old Mac Plus which has served me faithfully until yesterday when the
image on the monitor collapsed to a faint, vertical, narrow ghost picture. The system
is still running ok, as the Plus runs system 7 file sharing, and I can still access
the files on the hard disks connected to it from another Mac.
So the problem is definitely located to the monitor, most probably a wearing component
some place. Has anybody experienced something similar? Any hints and advices are
appreciated.

Best regards,

Arne Venstad	E-mail: Arne.Venstad@delab.sintef.no
SINTEF DELAB
N-7034 Trondheim,
Norway.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mpradhan@medicine.adelaide.edu.au (Malcolm Pradhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: VideoSpigot doesn't grab 24 bit movies!
Summary: VideoSpigot grabs 24 bit still frames but 16 bit movies.
Keywords: VideoSpigot, QuickTime, movies, frame grabbing
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:46:09 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Medicine, University of Adelaide

Hello all,

 our department recently purchased a VideoSpigot Nubus board. It came with a
still and movie capture program called ScreenPlay 1.02.

 Spigot is very good at capturing still frames in full 24 bit colour, but the
ScreenPlay application only allows the recording of movies in what seems to be
16 bit colour. This is noticible when capturing movies with a large number of
colours in a small colour range - banding appears in the movies, yet the still
frame captures show smooth colour transition.

 As far as I know this limitation wasn't documented anywhere, including the
manual, which I perused before making the purchase.

 I can understand the 16 bit limitation for most uses as it means faster grabs
and less disk space, but for some applications the banding looks pretty bad
(especially endoscopies!) I informed SuperMac of this trouble a week ago but
haven't heard back.

 I don't think memory is a problem as I've allocated 16 Mb to ScreenPlay with
130 Mb free disk space on a Quadra 700, no non-Apple extensions.

 Has anyone heard of a fix or upgrade for the ScreenPlay software, the board is
capable of grabbing 24 bits but the software is letting the show down.

 Regards,
 Malcolm

PS. for those interested the VideoSpigot can't grab full screen images in real
time. It can grab 1/2 screen images in real time but requires a _very_ still
image for full screen frame capture - the quality, however, is excellent.
_________________________________________________________________
    Malcolm Pradhan
    Medical Computing, Faculty of Medicine         _--_|\
    University of Adelaide, South Australia       /      \
    InterNet: mpradhan@medicine.adelaide.edu.au   \_.--x_/
    Fax: +618 223 2076  :x marks the spot:              v
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sgruby@jarthur.claremont.edu (Scott Allen Gruby)
Subject: ADB Connector
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:00:20 GMT

I am looking for a short ~2 in ADB connector that has two female ends on it
so that I can connect my trackball (the wire is permanently attached) to
an extension ADB cord and then into my mac.

Is there such a thing made, or does anyone know where I can find the parts to
make my own?

Any help would be appreciated.

Please respond by email because I don't keep up with news that often.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach)
Subject: Re: Floppy problems
Originator: breidenb@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:46:54 GMT
Distribution: na


In article <1992Apr7.204200.17450@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker) writes:
|> 
|> The solution is to use 800k disks, or to cover up (with a piece of tape)
|> the notch in the high density disk that identifies it as high density.

Well, according to Sony, it is NOT very wise to format HD disks with 800K 
because of the different track density. HD disks are probably not reliable when
formatted with 800K.  Use DS/DD disks instead.

Cheers,

Oliver.
From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: (Q) Daystar PowerCache cards
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:12:56 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se

> joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes:

   "share" the load with the original? If it indeed put the original CPU out of
   job anyway, then wouldn't it be cheaper to by Mac IIsi or IIci and install
   the Daystar 50 MHz PowerCache rather than buying a Quadra (unless you really
   need the extra features of a Quadra)?

A 50 MHz 68030 is slower than a 25 MHz 68040.

Not only that, but the REAL bottleneck in most computers these days
is the memory. A 68040 executes most instructions in one or two
cycles; since it runs at 25 MHz memory should really be 40 ns to keep
up... (well, you could actually design memory so that it's one cache
line wide, and get by with 80 ns DRAM - why didn't Apple do that in
the 900 ?) that's what caches are for.

So even if the processor on the PowerCache is fast; it'll run at
wait states, since the memory is still the same speed.

   Last Question: Does the 68882 FPU installable on these cache card have to
   operate at the same frequency? For example, can a 20 MHz 68882 (a slower
   FPU) used with a 50 MHz PowerCache?

Not advicable. In theory, possible, but I don't think the PowerCaches
are built for it. And you'd get that much worde FP performance anyway...

-- 
h+@nada.kth.se; Jon W{tte, the Diplomat - NOT!
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From: witipi@dutiws.tudelft.nl (P. Jonker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Daisywheel printerdriver requested
Keywords: Daisywheel printerdriver
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:57:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands


Request for Daisywheel printer driver.

Years ago Earl Horton send out a Printerdriver for a serial daisywheel
printer. Months ago I tried this on my own ancient machine and found out
that Word 4.0 is not working properly with this driver (extra linefeeds
inserted, and no pause when manual feed selected)

The version I use is Daisy 1.0, my system is 6.0.7
Questions: Has anybody a newer (working) version of this driver, 
or: Is Earle still on the net ?

					Thanx in advance.

Piter Jonker,
Technical University Delft, 
Mathematics and Informatics,
Computer Graphics and CAD/CAM,
Mac Support dept.
Julianalaan 132, 2628 BL Delft, Netherlands
Room: 2.323
tel: * 31 015 783614.

UNIX adress:
piter@duticg.tudelft.nl
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 16" monitors
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:44:13 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

Hi.

I'm in the market for a new 16" color screen and I have pretty much narrowed 
the choice down to between Apple's 16" monitor together with a 8.24 card or a
NEC 3FG 15" with a Xceed ColorII card. My problem is, which one ? 

The NEC is cheaper by some 35%, although converted to real money that isn't a
lot. The Apple screen is bigger, and seems to have better resolution.

Is the NEC a good screen? Is the Apple 16" a good screen? Which one is best?

thanx


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se	/* preferred */
		erik@helios1.sto.foa.se

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ccs@u.cc.utah.edu (Charles Storer)
Subject: Re: Syquest Removable Drive
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:40:07 GMT

In article <7iNHiB2w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> captainm@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Captain Maniac) writes:
>I use an IOMEGA 44-meg removable drive at work, and lately I've been 
>encountering the following problem: sometimes when I try to eject a disk (by 
>dragging its icon to the Trash), I'll get the message, "This disk cannot be 
>put away because it contains items that are being shared." I keep my System 
>& Finder (7.0) on my hard drive, so I'm uncertain why this message appears. 
>I'm able to remove the same disk if I restart, but I'd prefer to find a way 
>that's a bit easier than that. 
> 
>Thanx! 
> 
>Colin Hartridge,
>Vancouver, Canada
>

Does "lately" mean that it didn't happen this way before? I have
experienced something like this, but only when using System 7. I got a
similar message when I closed files, but didn't "quit" the application,
then tried to eject the disk.
If you are running applications that reside on the disk you want to
eject, make sure you have quit (not just closed the file) before
ejecting the disk. I think the same applies to floppies, and is not
unique to the IOMEGA drive. (Your "subject" refers to Sysquest drives,
although the question is about IOMEGA.)

Charles Storer  (ccs@iomega.com)
Iomega Corporation    (My opinions, not Iomega's)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Wanted: Nubus to SCSI converter
From: lindsay@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Lindsay Weir)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:24:36 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Science,University of Canterbury,New Zealand

Can you attach Nubus cards via the SCSI port?
I have heard that there is a product which will
let you place multiple Nubus cards into a box
which just plugs into the SCSI port.

Has anyone heard of this?? If so what sort of
success does it achieve?? i.e. could one put
it onto an LC and plug a video capture board
and 24 bit card into it???

Thanks in advance.

lindsay.
From: awolfe@moo.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 16" monitors
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:17:33 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr10.200954.6275@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
|> eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:
|> 
|> >I'm in the market for a new 16" color screen and I have pretty much narrowed 
|> >the choice down to between Apple's 16" monitor together with a 8.24 card or a
|> >NEC 3FG 15" with a Xceed ColorII card. My problem is, which one ? 
|> 
|>     The 3FG is 14" not 15", and is really only useful as a 640x480
|> resolution monitor. If you are looking to compare a NEC monitor to the
|> Apple 16" then you need to talk about the NEC monitor that can effectily
|> give you 832x624 like tehe Apple does. This monitor is the 5FG and it is
|> 15". There is also the 6FG which is 17", but which NEC bills as their 2
|> page monitor.
|> 
|> >Is the NEC a good screen? Is the Apple 16" a good screen? Which one is best?
|> 
|>     The Apple 16" uses the Sony Trinitron picture tube, considered by
|> many to be the best picture tube on the market, and it is a very nice
|> monitor (in fact I'm typing this message on my Apple 16"). NEC uses
|> their own picture tube in their Multi-Sync monitors, and while I have
|> heard very good things about them, it has been mostly in regards to
|> pricing, and I have never actually seen one.
|> 
|> --
|> -Hades  (Brian V. Hughes)   | Common Taxpayer Q&A: Q. If I use the 1040 how
|>  hades@Coos.Dartmouth.Edu   | do I indicate my preference for the Elvis stamp?
|>  Mac Database Developer     | A. You write THIN ELVIS or FAT ELVIS in the box
|>  Dartmouth Medical School   | "Spouse's Social Security #." -Dave Barry

-- 

This is all incorrect.

The NEC 3FG and 4FG are 15" Monitors
The NEC 5FG is a 17" Monitor
The NEC 6FG is a 21" Monitor (But I find it blurry...)


The 5FG and 6FG Will support any Quadra video mode.  The 3FG and 4FG will support up to 16" mode.  The smaller monitors have excelent flat-square tubes.  I personally find the 6FG somewhat below my standards.


I recently examined about a dozed large multisync monitors for the MAC.  If there is interest, I will write a summary.
--------------------------------------
Andrew Wolfe
Assistant Professor
Department of Electrical Engineering
Princeton University
From: mshiffer@mit.edu (Michael J. Shiffer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Anyone Know Infrared Mouse Pointers?
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:27:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT

IUm trying to locate an  infrared pointer that allows one to control a MacUs
 cursor from anywhere in a room. I believe that there may be two such products.
 
One was sold with an accompanying LCD projection panel and the other was sold
 as a stand alone ADB device.  Anyone out there know about these items? 
Accuracy?  Brand Names?  Prices? 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:02:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Apr3.163408.11497@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, hzaj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> 
> Does anyone know if their will be an upgrade for the Personal Laserwriter LS to
> the NTR mad available.  In the May MacWorld, they say all older Personal
> Laserwriters will be upgradeable, while the May MacUser only mentions upgrades
> for the NT and SC.  I wouldn't mind if there was an LS->NTR upgrade available,
> but it would be kind of confusing (why was the LS not upgradeable to an NT
> then?).
> 

MacWorld was wrong. There is no such upgrade presently.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: skok@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Tin-Yul Kok)
Subject: PostScript printers with Photograde...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:34:55 GMT

Are there any other PostScript printers on the market with 'photograde'
capability?

Basically, are there any reasonable priced printers that have the same
performance as the LaserWriter IIf and IIg?
 
We want to get some exceptional results with a AppleOne Scanner.
From: science@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Zimmermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Broken Mac monitor
Keywords: motherboard, capacitor, broken, monitor
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:54:22 GMT
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
X-Organization: (formerly David Taylor Research Center)


my 13" Apple monitor died too, same symptoms as described here
earlier, and I was told by Apple Customer Service (800-number?) as
well as by the local dealer's technician that there was only a limited
range of serial numbers for which Sony would reimburse the costs of
replacing the dying high-voltage capacitor ... so I am out $300, alas
--- which brings up my REAL question:

the monitor, now that it is 'fixed', is much less sharp and clearly
needs alignment ... after a second trip to local dealer, it is still
fuzzy; rather than revisit, I want to adjust back-panel controls
myself.  Any recommendations for reading/advice on how to align
things?  Or any recommendations for software to produce good test
patterns to work with on the screen??  Tnx!!  ^z

(Mark Zimmermann, science@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hunter@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Hunter Scales)
Subject: Re: Use of IIfx terminator on Quadra 900
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:15:06 GMT

d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:

>.jpl.nasa.gov> sgrenander@nasamail.jpl.nasa.gov (Sven Grenander) writes:

>   > Can one use the black "glitch absorbing" IIfx terminator on the
>   > Quadra 900?

>Yes ! (Know from personal experience and Apple advice as well)

>   Not an answer (sorry) but a related question: How dangerous (H/W & data) is
>   it to use a II terminator on a II fx ? (I wouldn't except my CMS Platinum
>   600 won't run without its internal II-termination installed !*%&!!).

>So call CMS and give'm hell. You SHOULD NOT run a IIfx with the old-style
>terminator, since the power and bus is tuned to the new kind. You might
>burn something, or maybe just lose data, but it's not advicable.

Since I just bought a second-hand IIfx, this is of concern to me.
What is a "IIfx style SCSI terminator"?  I have a NEC CD reader
connected to the SCSI port of my IIfx and I use the terminator
provided with the NEC.  Is this a bad thing to do?  I thought
all SCSI terminators were of one standard.

>-- 
>h+@nada.kth.se; Jon W{tte, the Diplomat - NOT!
-- 
Motorola Semiconductor Inc.             Hunter Scales
Austin, Texas                           hunter@prometheus.sps.mot.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Another LCII Opinion
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:17:09 GMT

While I agree completely with the notion that the LCII was the
bestest, fastest, cheapest, smartest, savviest way for Apple to
upgrade the original LC, I am left wondering what if ...


What if the bean counters had put a 68030 in the LC in the first
place as was the logical decision at the time. If that was done then
the ASIC between RAM and the microprocessor would have provided a
32-bit pathway. Had this been done the following would have
occurred:

1) The LC would have replaced the SE/30 adequately.

2) The Classic II would have been a poor man's SE/30 (no slot, but
equivalent speed)

3) The LCII would never have been needed in the first place

Apple would have not had to spend the minor reengineering costs on
the LCII nor the MAJOR marketing costs. They'd be richer, we'd have
a legit SE/30 replacement and all this nonsense titled "LCII FUBAR"
would stop cluttering my screen whenever I log on to this bboard.

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: iscjhs@nuscc.nus.sg (Jong Hee Sen (Dr))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Daystar PowerCard Compatibility?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:51:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Apr8.035132.5543
Organization: National University of Singapore

Are there users of DayStar Powercard out there?  I am thinking
of getting a 40MHz Powercard (note:  not the newer Power Cache).
Has anyone have good experience with it?  Any competibility
problem.

What are the differences between the PowerCard and the PowerCache?
Is the PowerCache essentially a PowerCard but comes with universal
adaptor (just need a differenct adaptor for different Mac IIxx).

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Jong Hee Sen
JHS@iscs.nus.sg,  ISCJHS@NUSCC.nus.sg
Department of Information Systems and Computer science
National University of Singapore
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From: smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH MISRA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale,triangle.forsale
Subject: For Sale:  Internal 40 MB Hard Drive For Macintosh
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:24:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCSU Project Eos


Low profile, internal 40 MB hard drive.  Conner mechanism, with fast
data transfer rates.  1.5 years warranty .  Taken out of a IIsi, after
upgrading
to bigger drive.

Price:  Reasonable Offer

Please reply via email

Saurabh
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: RE: Want a Good, WELL Priced mac with Great Service?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:00:18 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH


an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes:

TG> Okay folks, you want a WELL priced Mac with GREAT service 
TG> and warranty? Give LDI or Microcenter here in Cleveland, Ohio 
TG> a ring. 

Go easy on that "great service" stuff wrt Micro Center.  Deal with Micro
Center (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Atlanta) at your own risk.  Trust me.
 These people are stereotypical of the average dweeb, ignorant, push-the-boxes
out-the-door dealer.  They are liars and cheats, to boot, at least they lied
to and tried to cheat me.  Yeah, their prices are good, but in this case, you
do get what you pay for--and maybe even less.

Buyer beware Micro Center.  If anyone cares, I think I still have the details
around somewhere.  I posted my gripe with them to a local BBS (this was 3-4
years ago), and they tried to have the BBS shut down when my gripe turned into
a long gripe session with everyone chiming in with a horror story!  (They
threatened lawsuits, but fortunately the BBS operator knew that the truth was
a _complete_ defense, and stood his ground.  He's now a good friend...)

--Adam--
 
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From: pdel@ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MacPlus sad error code - what's 030004 ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:31:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300

I believe one of the Simms is bad - is that right?

The 03 is illegal instruction, and the 0004 means one of the
banks (A?) failed the RAM test.

Can anyone verify this for me?

thanks, PD
--

 login name:   L1-A                      
 In real life: Peter Delevoryas
 In any other life: a cheap imitation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: opus@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Christopher S. Eplett)
Subject: Re: Raster Ops 24 STV? SuperMac Video Sphigot?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:32:57 GMT

In article <jerome.702499323@yacht> jerome@ee.fit.edu (Jerome Chan) writes:
>Can anyone tell me what the above cards are used for?
>I know they are video cards but what else do they do?
>Can they be used on an 030 pd slot on an SI?

The 24STV is a combination 24bit video board and Video capture board w/
NTSC & PAL inputs. I do not believe that it supports sound input, but I 
could be wrong.

The Video Spigot is a Video capture board only. There is a Pro version that
adds the 24bit card functionality. SuperMac is shortly going to release (
already has released!? ) a version of this card that also has sound input.

In the March ( i believe ) MacWorld issue is a good article reviewing many Video capture
boards, including the 24STV. The Spigot is not in the article, because it was
not available at press time. The April issue has a review of the Spigot, and
it was favorable ( 3 or 4 stars ).

Spigot has the advantage of being quite inexpensive... MacConnection has it
for $399.

( I'm probably gonna get the Video & Sound Spigot for my Q700 in the next
couple of months  :) )

>
>--
> The Evil Tofu
> 

        Chris Hoek Eplett
	opus@iear.arts.rpi.edu

     "Stop it... you're talking CRAZY..."   - Stimpson J. Cat
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