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From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Subject: crossposting from Russia List -- Help needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:12:45 GMT


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From: Leo Oves <0005150142@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Request for help
Comments: To: list <Russia@indycms.iupui.edu>
Comments: cc: Dima Ermolin <de@de.avl.ew.su>
To: Multiple recipients of list RUSSIA <RUSSIA@indycms.bitnet>
Status: OR

Dear Netters:



I'm posting for my friends in Russia. May be somebody will find it possible

to cross-post this message to the appropriate newsgroups. I have no access

to them. Please notify this list about cross-posting to avoid multiple copies.



    Thanks,

            Leo Oves (loves@mcimail.com)



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Dear friends:



Please HELP the only stage director from Cherkessia who graduated in 1992

from the Sankt - Petersburg Theater Institute and has already finished two

very successful performances.



He urgently needs kidney transplanting, and there are no conditions to do

this surgery in Sankt - Petersburg. At this moment he is connected to an

artificial kidney, but required dialysis equipment (dializators) and needles

will be over in 2 weeks. His brother agrees to be a donor, and we have found

sponsors to pay for the transportation.



If anybody can do anything to save this talented and nice person, please

contact me at

                 de@de.avl.ew.su (for V.S. Golikov)



   Chairman of Sankt - Petersburg Department of Stage Directors Association,

   Leader of Sankt - Petersburg Theater Institute Course for Stage Directors



                 V.S. Golikov



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From: ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Computer to Russia?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:12:24 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <9208170920.A05552@ccmail.orst.edu> you write:
>
>          Can someone give me the "latest" on the logistics of taking
>          a computer to Russia?  My institution (OSU) has been funded
>          to give a computer to a research institute in St.
>          Petersburg.  Questions:
>
>          *****
>          1. Will there be an import duty on a transfer of the
>          machine's ownership to Russian hands? How much?
>
>          2. If so, can the duty be avoided by loaning the machine
>          rather than giving it away?
>
>          3. Does our State Department still have restrictions
>          about transfering PC's to Russia?  Are there any good D.O.S.
>          contacts on this subject?
>          ********
>
>          I'm set to leave in a couple of weeks, so I'd like to smooth
>          the road now.  Please mail me directly unless you
>          believe your answer is of general interest to the list.

please let me know what you find out - similarily, I need to take
a laptop (286/386) to Russia in September.

thanks

ian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: An excerpt from today's UPI report on Bosnia
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:42:43 GMT

	GENEVA (UPI) -- The United States has firm evidence that Serbian
forces in Bosnia-Hercegovina are moving prisoners from camps due to be
visited by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to
prevent them from being interrogated or physically examined, a U.S.
official said Wednesday.

.................................
text deleted
.................................

	``We intend to make it clear that we are in possession of information
showing that Bosnian Serbs are moving prisoners away from the camps to
keep them away from the ICRC and the press,'' Bolton said. ``This
information does not come from press reports. We are not interested in
Potemkin villages -- we want the ICRC to have complete access everywhere
so they can ascertain the facts.''
	The reference to ``Potemkin villages'' referred to the Soviet film 
``The Battleship Potemkin'' of 1924, in which Soviet citizens
constructed false villages to hide from attackers.

**************************************************************
End of article
**************************************************************


Leonid Frants
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 13:59:44 CDT
From: !!!  BORYS  !!! <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: UNIFIED OLYMPIC TEAM RESULTS ??


HAS ANYBODY BROKEN DOWN THE RESULTS OF THE UNIFIED OLYMPIC TEAM INTO
     THE DIFFERENT REPUBLICS?

WHO WON THE MOST MEDALS? THE MOST GOLD? SILVER? BRONZE?
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: a cultural quiz on women's rights
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:51:01 EDT

In article <9208132139.AA15097@feds46.Prime.COM>, mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799) writes:
>> ...Equal does not necessarily mean "same"...
>> ...a woman is essentially "equal" to a man...
>> ...man should consider woman as equal...
>> ... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ...
> 
> Now I offer you a real SCS quiz:
> 
>  why a Russian woman is not supposed to utter, neither to hear,
>  four-letter words, while for a man this is usually not an issue?
> 
> Multiple-choice answers:
> 
> a) ne imeet prava                  she is deprived of this right
> b) ne umeet                        she does not know those words
> c) boitsia, chto pob'iut           she is afraid of a physical retribution
> d) boitsia, chto zasmeiut          she is afraid of being ridiculed
> e) boitsia, chto ne vyidet zamuzh  she is afraid to remain unmarried
> f) eto nizhe eia dostoinstva       this is beyond her dignity
   
    Somewhere between e) and f) though closer to f).
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: a cultural quiz on women's rights
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:39:13 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> ...Equal does not necessarily mean "same"...
> ...a woman is essentially "equal" to a man...
> ...man should consider woman as equal...
> ... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ...

Now I offer you a real SCS quiz:

 why a Russian woman is not supposed to utter, neither to hear,
 four-letter words, while for a man this is usually not an issue?

Multiple-choice answers:

a) ne imeet prava                  she is deprived of this right
b) ne umeet                        she does not know those words
c) boitsia, chto pob'iut           she is afraid of a physical retribution
d) boitsia, chto zasmeiut          she is afraid of being ridiculed
e) boitsia, chto ne vyidet zamuzh  she is afraid to remain unmarried
f) eto nizhe eia dostoinstva       this is beyond her dignity
From: VIKVH@hpc.bitnet (KV Horoshenkov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:17:54 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


 The address of "Nauka" publisher is

	Izdatelstvo "Nauka"
	117864 GSP-7
	Moscow B-485
	Profsouznaj 90
	Russia

Sincerely, Kirill
From: hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Unified Team's medals
Date: 21 Aug 1992 21:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Recently this list of medals was posted. 

>
>Nation				Gold	Silver	Bronze	Total
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Unified Team (with Ukraine)	45	38	29	112
>United States of America	37	34	37	108
>German 			33	21	28	 82
>Unified Team (without Ukraine)	28	24	20	 72
>China				16	22	16	 54
>Ukraine			17	14	 9	 40
>Cuba				14	 6	11	 31
>Hungary			11	12	 7	 30
>South Korea			12	 5	12	 29
>France	        		 8	 5	16	 29
>etc.

I saw the same list elsewhere but I think that the numbers for 
Ukraine are inflated and are based on a different counting technique. 
I believe that the 17 gold for Ukraine includes both individual and
team medals for every member of a gold winning team. From the 
numbers, I assume this is not true in the other counts. 

>
>So, to make a lot of medals at Olympics  you shouls either be very big
>country  - xSU, US, China, Germany,
>or small but very special - Ukraine, Cuba, South Korea

Ukraine is not particularly small. In area, it is the second largest
country in Europe (after European Russia). In population, there are
52 million people, which is much larger than Cuba. I don't know the
population of South Korea.

                                         Myron Hlynka
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:09:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug13.181708.22635@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>In article <86108@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.160747.15723@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>>!In article <1992Aug12.143824.5396@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com_ (Galina Kofman) writes:
#>!>Zhenya, thank you for your permission to post the poem.
#>!>================================================================
#>!>
#>!>  C BOCTOKA - BOHb. 3AKOH COBKA
#>!>
     {other shit deleted}

#>>>                                Evgeniy  Fedyunkin.
#>!>================================================================
#>!
#>!		
#>!			3AME4ATE/\,HO!
#>
#>
#>   DEPbMO .
#
#	
>
#	KTO DEPbMO? DA Tb| 4TO?

   HE KTO, A 4TO . CT|/|X DEPMbO. 

   BTW, I guess I know the author too. We worked in the same institution.
 He was famous for his "democratic" activity, but not because of his 
 scientific results. He fucked over the whole institution by his poetry.

 The guy I'm talking about worked in the 'Division of New Acceleration 
 Methods' - is this the same guy?

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Organizations on the net in Yaroslavl?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:53:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.190103.21300@uvm.edu> haviland@uvm.edu (Tom Haviland) writes:
>
>Is there a way to find out if a particular organization is on the net in
>Russia?  Particularly in Yaroslavl, which is associated as a sister city
>with my home in Burlington, Vermont.  Yaroslavl is, I believe, in the
>state (province? principality?) of Karelia, and is not too far from 
>Moscow.
>
My town Jyvaskyla,Central Finland is a sister town of Jaroslavl.
Jaroslavl is not definately in Karelia but not far away from Moscow
to the north east. We have some projects with the people of Jaroslavl
concerning business relationships,business training, management training.

 I am not personally involved in it but a colleque
of mine in an other adult education centre here. Also our city mayor
is active in it.
I personally have co-operation with Karelians (Sortavala and Petrozavodsk).

>I have friends involved in the program in both countries (US and Russia) and
>it would be interesting to know if there is any chance of contact through
>the net.  I also have a friend that is interested in teaching English in
>Yaroslavl, so I would be particularly interested to know if the Yartec
>Language Institute is on the net at all.

I have no accass to Jaroslavl, and I do not know if there is.
A person which may be able to help you could be a business
consultant of Jaroslavl now living in my town:
Mr. alexander Kirillow
Taitoniekantie 9 D 602
40740 Jyvaskyla FINLAND
PHONE: +358-41-607609
FAX:+358-41-656 429
Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti

>
>Any information, suggestions, or whatever would be most appreciated
>
>Tom Haviland
>(haviland@northpole.med.uvm.edu)
>
From: savchenk@cgi.com (Alex Savchenko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Strong language, violence, nudity etc...
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:52:10 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Regarding Sergei Borodin's recent comments on some piece of "poetry"
and some other postings -  maybe this newsgroup need to implement a
policy on self-ratings included into subject line similar to the one
existing for movies - you know, (R), PG-13 etc ;-) with explanations:
strong language, violence, national hatred, mutlu , russia-bashing etc.
That would save an abuse for many people, I guess, while preserving the
freedom of self-expression (with understanding that it was oppressed
for quite a while)

Regards,
	Alex.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:6787 talk.politics.soviet:7010 soc.culture.usa:6595
From: mikie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Model Republic
Date: 16 Aug 1992 01:13:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu


       I have done months of research on the Soviet Republics and
     have tracked down their paths towards independence.  My findings
     conclusively show that Armenia has satisfied all of the
     makings of a true democracy.  Armenia is the only nation in the
     Caucasus where a Government has not been overturned by a coup
     d'etat.  Armenia provides freedom of expression, press, and religion,
     not only to its Armenians but also to its minorities (Kurds, Yesedis,etc.)
       In addition, Armenia has proved itself as a nation full of economic
     potential, by providing its people with some of the fastest reforms in
     the CIS.
       Politically, and diplomatically, Armenia has handled itself in a
     manner in which even its neighbors (ie: turkey) can learn from.
     Armenia has between 100 and 150 nuclear war-heads, and has shown
     much restraint, even if often provoked, in the Azerbaijani (north of Iran)
     instability and chaos.  Azerbaijan has shown its willingness to be
     incorporated into turkey, and is currently trying to occupy southern
     Armenia for that end.  Indeed, Azerbaijan will then be connected to her
     fatherland.  Armenia, though, has held off declaring war on Azerbaijan
     as she recognizes the need to keep the CIS a workable unit.
       I salute Armenia and its people for showing to the world that
     nations can and should aspire to the American ideal of Democracy.

     Ictenlikle sizin,

     A Human
From: j.guy@trl.oz.au (Jacques Guy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: What are *.arj files ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Arj is a freeware archiver that achieves better compression
than zip and lharc and is much faster. It also has very
nice backup facilities. Truly excellent. I have, on my PC
here, a 15 Megabyte file that used to be 180 Meg before
I "arjed" it. It took a while to arj of course, but less
than zip did. YOu should find arj on just about any
site that mirror simtel-20, oak, or garbo.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 16:35:17 MST
From: <ICSPMS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Help with Research

I have just been assigned a research project to study the judicial structure
of the Soviet Union before the breakup and compare it to the various systems
that are now being developed across the unified nations.  But, I'm at some-
what of a loss as to where to begin to look for information.

If anyone out there can recommend some good resources to find info on how
the judicial structure was and what is currently in place, please respond
back to me directly.

Thanks...

****************************************************************************
Patricia M. Schneider          BITNET   - ICSPMS@ASUACAD
Arizona State University       INTERNET - ICSPMS@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
Tempe, AZ 85287-0101           VOICE    - (602) 965-2826
****************************************************************************
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI (R -
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:30:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.93713
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Aug14.172134.19041@watson.ibm.com>, oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
|> In  <93697@bu.edu>  sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
|> > |>
|> > |> --------------------------------------------------------------------
|> > |> Vazon                                    vazasi@ZASRI.NASRI.SRI.COM
|> > |> Zasiandze                        1917 Sovoc st.,Palo Alto, CA 94545
|> > |> --------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >
|> > Kuda nuzhno lyubit' this particular devushku, v kakuyu imenno chast'?
|> > Esli zadelalsya gruzinom, dogovartivay.
|> > Anyway, I'd like to have this discussion saved for future generation, so they
|> > never forget what environment their ancestories come from.
|> 
|> Igor, ty chto-to pereputal. Tebe nado ne devushki lyubit, a malchika.
|> A v kakuyu chast - sprosi u Marka Markisha, on podrobno raz'yasnit.

How do u know who I am to love? Ne prisvaivay svoi naklonnosti okruzhayushim.
Ne vse zhe kak ty. A v printsipe ya sam vinovat. Nado bylo s vami nenormal'nymi
voobshe svyazyvat'sya? Buduchi v studencheskom vosraste, ya ne pozvolyayu sebe
togo chto vy vykruchivaete. Ne mogu pravda obeshat' udalit'sya iz perepalki,
bylo by ne interesno i ne po-muzhski. Oblivat' gryaz'yu opusy drugih eto odno,
no perehodit' na personal'no eto uzhe ne zachem.
From: hubey@PILOT.NJIN.NET (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: RE: Zaporozh Cossacks, etc
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:22:03 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Hi

I'm curious. Why are you so interested in the Cossacks ? And
where do you get your information from?
--

	mark


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: igor@SHADOW.CS.COLUMBIA.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Re to Sam Libkind (was RE: Re: Looking for music...)
Date: 3 Aug 92 19:30:29 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

> Never heard and do not want to hear it.

Well, it's no politics, its just a satiric and pretty funny song, nothing
to be afraid to listen to. You might just try...

--Igor
From: IP25197@portland.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Wire Money to  Moscow
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:09:35 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

HELLO:Western Union will wire money to Moscow

      The fee is not that bad, just call 1-800-555-1212 for Western Union's 800
      Number and then call them they will give the nearest office and all the
      details.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:48:03 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <86108@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>!In article <1992Aug12.143824.5396@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com_ (Galina Kofman) writes:
>!>Zhenya, thank you for your permission to post the poem.
>!>================================================================
>!>
>!>  C BOCTOKA - BOHb. 3AKOH COBKA
>!>  HAM CHOBA YKA3YET MECTO.
>!>  HE YMEP XAM. CECTPA TOCKA
>!>  CO3HAHbE KOMKAET, KAK TECTO.
>!>
	[...]
	
>!>  3ACPAHCTBO, COBECTb, KPACOTA...
>!>
>!>    C T P A H A   Y   H A C   -   H A   K A P T E   T b M bI,
>!>    K A K   C K O P O   C B E T   Y 3 H A E M   M bI ?
>!>
>!>
>>>                                Evgeniy  Fedyunkin.
>!>================================================================
>!
>!		
>!			3AME4ATE/\,HO!
>
>
>   DEPbMO .

DEPbMO, HO 3AME4ATE/\bHOE. HO DEPbMO.

	-igor


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: Re: School #2, Class 1986
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:15:25 GMT

	Does anybody know anybody in Moskovskiy Fiziko-Texnicheskiy
Institut who has an e-mail address?  It's very Important.
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: a cultural quiz on women's rights
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:23:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Aug14.223622.34163@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
|> Somewhere Igor Sheyn wrote [answering to quiz by Markish]:
|> >:
|> >: If we are talking about Russian women, we probably should mean 3-letter word
|> >: as well as 5-letter word, 8-letter word and some idiomatic expressions. In any
|> >: case that's the easiest quiz I ever took. The answer is f... ( just a
|> >: coincidence, hah ?).
|> 
|> Are you sure that somebody except you *should* mean 3-letter as well 
|> as 5-letter or 8-letter word and so on while talking about Russian woman?
|> 
|> Such a jerk. Or is extreme naivete?
|> 
|> I believe you *shouldn't* suppose the same absence of any respect to women
|> in others. You may take your uniqieness (sp?) for granted.
|> 
|> I have two kittens - male 5 months old and female 2 months old.
|> And male kitten shows more respect for female than you here.
|> 
|> And I thought you were ordinary fool... 
|> Dear fools, sorry. 
|> 
|> >
|> Then in article <9208141910.AA16333@feds46.Prime.COM> "" <Markish == SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
|> >Your remark on "4 letters" is a valid one. 
|> 
|> To hear this from you, Mr. Markish, is a bit strange. Be more careful :-)
|> 
|> >Had I used an adjective like
|> .`obscene', or `abusive', or `foul', or `offensive', this would be viewed as
|> >being judgemental and having a preconceived image, and no big time feminist
|> >would ever dream of reading it, let alone answering. Thus, I wrote "4-letter"
|> >- and missed the point... 
|> No, you didn't [first time] - you wrote in English language and used
|> English language idiom. :-)
|> 
|> 	-igor

Poka napominaet konkurs na naibolee vydayushegosya hama. But still somehow
I feel a need to explain myself, not to my nahalu-tezke, but to other people
who may have misunderstood me. I didn't mean 'about Russian women', I meant in
Russian context the expression being discussed are different from the 4 letter
word, the one of a kind in English. I have more respect for women more than
u ever will ( your style of discussion is a strong argument towards it ), but
my article was completely of other matter. BTW looks like M. Markish is the
only decent person out of those with domain 'com'.