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From: Thomas.Weihrich@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Thomas Weihrich)
Subject: Intro: $ whoami 
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:59:12 GMT

Greetings everyone -

I just thought I'd introduce myself to let you know who you are talking
to -

I am a 25 year old genetic male, currently living in West Germany;
studying mathematics and computer science and trying to be as tolerant
as possible (I cannot tolerate fascism in any way - but I certainly
do not (or at least try not to) discriminate anyone who thinks or feels
differently. I am hetero oriented and happy with my sex/gender most of
the time - although sometimes I do feel an urge to switch into a
different (female) body. I do not crossdress - the idea has not yet
occurred to me and my body kind of forbids it. I am tall and have a very
male (please excuse the stereotype) body - my weight is about 200 lbs
and I am not fat, and I am covered with dark hair almost everywhere.
My favourite clothes are made of leather (black
leather), because I like the feel of them and they are suited for
riding on a rather big motorbike. 

I certainly sympathize with anyone who feels bad about his / her shell -
the body I mean - and try to provide as much mental comfort as I can to anyone
who needs it. 

If anyone of you wants to converse with me in absolute privacy, please
feel free to drop me an encoded mail. To obtain my public key just use
the unix command finger: 
finger elrond@arwen.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE.

Keep up the group - 
and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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From: an2166@anon.penet.fi (Michelle)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Frederick's as source
Date: 25 Dec 92 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered


I would like to recommend Frederick's of Hollywood as a source of
really useful CD items.  Their current catalog shows several different
kinds of hip-enhancing, ass-improving, curve-intensifying girdles and
bras.  They sell a pair of falsies that are excellent--I've been using
them for a few years now.  There are also many styles of 4" and 5"
heels and boots...and wigs.

I have the dubious honor of living in Hollywood, and their store is
interesting.  After the guard is satisfied you're not street scum
(Hollywood is full of such), you can be assisted by helpful women who
might have posed for past catalogs.  (I don't go dressed; I can't pass.)

For anyone who might live in this same area, there is an even better
store, that (alas) doesn't have a catalog, called Playmates.  It is at
Hollywood Blvd. and Wilcox, and caters to the heavy rocker girl, so
has the world's biggest selection of miniskirts and short dresses.
There is a whole section devoted to short (14"-18") crinoline
petticoats...nice lingerie/bras, though strangely deficient in opaque
pantyhose (guess that's not in fashion for heavy metalers).

On this subject, does anyone have any tips on where I might find a
short half slip (12"-16") or short full slip, that isn't a "chemise"
(they are too obviously for sleeping in) and isn't like a girdle
(which is what the ones Frederick's has are like)?

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From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Subject: One-a more time!
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:23:26 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Hi everyone - just having some trouble with anon from my location. See ya soon!

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an866@anon.penet.fi
Subject: A texture affinity
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:27:54 GMT

Just thought I'd say that certain fabrics feel better than others.
Especially as underware.
Antron III, Ravisant, Poly Satin.
Now, if men's underware manufactuers would just get it together and
offer briefs in these fabrics, I wouldn't have to shop in the Ladies
section.
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hating one's body, was Re: Me? Clueless? Naaah :)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:22:29 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (kelly) writes:
>russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>
>it's been my experience that few males would care to become (or be)
>female (most wince noticably at the concept of any male losing his
>equipment).  i haven't discussed the issue with too many genetic
>females (and the one i have doesn't count as she's more masculine than
>i am).

I sometimes wonder whether that stereotypical wincing at the concept
of losing one's dick is real or a societal kind of thing, e.g., men
feel they'd better wince or people might think they're <gay/transexual/
whatever>.  (You know, like how some guys talk about football to
look macho and fit in, even though they don't care about football.)
E.g. there's a currently infamous music video by
Nine Inch Nails where a guy basically gets mutilated; I saw it on
a call in show and everyone was shuddering about when his dick got it...
which, to my way of thinking, was only one small part of all that
happened in the video, and it seemed odd to me to hear so many male
callers focusing on that one short thing.

Or maybe I really am different; it could tie in with the fact that
I've never cared about having children and that whole "my genes must
be propagated" way of thinking that many people seem to have.  I wonder
if there could be a correlation here about wanting to protect one's
"precious bodily fluids"...

I also wonder whether men might say they have no interest in being
female again out of worrying what people might think if they admitted it.
One occasionally sees in popular culture a sympathetic male character
discuss the idea favorably, e.g. Steve Martin in L.A. Story saying
"I could never be a woman; if I was, I'd probably stay home all day
playing with my breasts! :-)", or the Rudy Rucker SF novel Master Of
Space & Time where the main character basically had a magic wish and
on an almost unconscious whim turned himself into a gorgeous blonde.
In both cases, the writers seemed to feel this was not an off-the-wall
bizarre interest on the part of their characters, i.e., the characters
were not portrayed as fruitcakes...  But I noticed that few men I
knew talked about those scenes!

Certainly, as another poster observed, I think most people would
admit to some curiosity and would try a sex change for a few hours or
a day if it was easy, cheap & safe.

Russ
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Dukes)
Subject: Re: Feeling Younger
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 05:43:35 GMT

>I have one friend who uses "Gay woman"
>and "Lesbian" interchangeably.  Most
>of my female friends call themselves
>"Lesbian" or "Dyke", tho...

Maybe I'm crazy, but the last lesbian I was around on a regular basis
I just called her by her name.  Why?  Because she was quite good at her job
and well...  I really couldn't see how who she was interested in made any
difference for or against what she had to do at work.

or by the name that I use of my own choosing.  Why because its a  better label
than anything else, and it describes me and my accomplishments...  Not what
segments of society say is wrong with me.

My only other question is what prey tell does the labeling of female homoseuxals
have to do with alt.transgendered?  With the exception of folks in situations
where the individual is T* and coming out of or going into the homosexual
community... Where does it apply?   (Now the problems with that always apply)

Guess what folks... Kristine is back.

Chris/Kristine  no longer out at NCSU...
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an3777@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Wearing Bras
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:10:56 GMT


Since following this group from its inception I have seen many postings about
how enjoyable the feel of stockings are.  For me wearing a bra provides a
sensual feeling.  I have been cross-dressing since the age of 5, but since
puberty the focal point(s) for my "femininity" has been my breasts.  When I was
13 my nipples started swelling and became very sensitive.  The feel of any 
satiny material on my nipples, such as negligees or soft cup
bras, gave me intense pleasure.  Although, can hardly say that my breasts are
fully developed, when I wear a size A or AA cup bra it looks naturally filled
and feels "right."  Of course when not wearing a bra my breasts do not retain
their "pointy" shape; I can't pass the pencil test.  However, my nipples are still soft and protrude noticably from my chest.  Needless to say having my breasts fondled and sucked are my favorite form of foreplay.  

I would be interested in knowing if other cross-dressers have similar feelings
about their breasts.

Love,

Andrea

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From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Subject: Re: Wearing Bras
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:56:46 GMT

In article <winslow.725584680@news.ncsu.edu>, winslow@ncsu.edu (Patricia NMI Winslow) writes:

>Andrea,
>Sure,
>everyone's
>breasts
>feel
>the
>same
>Do>you-really-feel-that
>you are
>different!
>?X

And I suppose everyone's genitals feel the same, too.  No need to blow 20 grand
on S.R.S.
From: an4163@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Where to Shop?
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

Does anyone else have recommendations on any good places to
shop? Maybe a list could be put together. I have a few to start.

Centurians 	Orange County

any additions?
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From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Awakening
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:36:24 GMT
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI

In article <1992Dec30.004551.8023@fuug.fi>, an1154@anon.penet.fi (Erika) writes:

...

>About a year ago there was a documentary film on PBS about a TS in California.
>It took her from the start of her SRS transition period through the uncertainty
>of whether she would have/be allowed to have SRS.  The empathy that I felt
>while watching this show remains with me today.

Was that the film "Metamorphosis:  Man into Woman" on the "P.O.V." series on
PBS?  I watched that film many times due to the modern miracle of VHS.  That
only one out of twenty candidates gets as far as SRS is sobering, to say the
least.  But Gaby(sp?)'s experiences were uplifting.

...

>ultimately SRS (if allowed to get that far) would take years.  Since I am
>older, I have less of these available.  By the time I got there, how many 
>years would I have to enjoy the accomplishment?  Such may be the price for
>growing up in a time when TS was less known and SRS was less available.

Thanks to those tabloid TV shows everyone (including me) hates, I pretty much
grew up knowing it is at least a technological possibility.  I count that
perspective as an enormous blessing, needless to say.

>Now it is time for me to start reading to find more information and answers
>to the questions that have been filling my head since I started to face
>my tendencies.  If someone saved the book list, could you please send it
>to me since I lost the one that was posted a while ago.
>
>Love to all,
>
>Erika

I hope your journey leads to happiness.


Warm hugs,
Lorraine
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: Unsurprising news...
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: AEGIS
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.015637.10682@news.ysu.edu>, ah568@yfn.ysu.edu
(Melissa Preston) wrote:
> 
> 
> M. Otto <otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> writes:
> >In alt.shenanigans [...] dchiasson@mta.ca writes:
> >> A good newsgroup to raid is alt.transgendered. They get pretty irate
> >> when you post something in their group. Their responses are good for
> >> a laughor two.  The takeover is actually in progress as of now. Join
> >> in on the fun.
> >> 
> >>                                                      -Rascal
> >
> >*sigh*
> 
> Quite honestly, I'm not surprised to see this. There is a simple rule
> for dealing with people who want to "get a rise out of you", ignore
> them. I'll say it one more time:
> 
>    SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY UNPLEASANT THINGS TO OTHERS JUST TO GET A
>    RISE OUT OF THEM. THE BEST THING TO DO IS NOT TO GIVE THEM THE PLEASURE
>    OF KNOWING THAT THEY'VE GOT TO YOU. IF NO ONE REPLYS TO THEIR POSTING,
>    NOT EVEN BY MAIL, AND *ESPECIALLY NOT BY POSTING A FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE
>    TO THE NEWSGROUP*, THEY'LL WONDER IF ANYONE EVEN SAW WHAT THEY WROTE.
>    IN THE END, THEY'LL TIRE AND GIVE UP.
> 
> For as long as there are those among us who feel compelled to answer
> people who obviously aren't here with any willingness to be educated,
> abusive posts will be a problem.
> 
> Most newsreaders have an ability to automatically avoid (or "kill")
> articles from particular posters. I suggest people learn how to use
> these facilities.  For starters, I'd suggest that people ignore anything
> that comes from *@mta.ca.
> 
> Finally remember that if someone continues to be abusive on the newsgroup,
> you can always send mail to their site administrator, etc.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
>     Melissa.
> -- 

My preference is to responce to such people with informative replies.
I like this because:
1) It helps me build up experience with such people. Someday I will
   have to repsond to such people in public and in real time!
   Having had a lot of "s----" (excrement) thrown at me, I will
   learn how to handle it with grace and style.
2) It helps the uninformed those read the replies. We get a chance to
   educate those that would not give us the time of day.
3) It demonstres quality of the people we are! We are good and
   honorable people that have dignity and worth.
4) The best revenge is living well!

I always consider it a challenge to answer such people. It strenghts
my sence of worth!

Love and hugs,

Celeste

P.S. I am a stubborn bitch! So far I have out lasted the "flame throwers"!
     They quit in silent submmission!
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an866@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re a texture affinity
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:19:31 GMT

>In article <1992Dec27.193531.19824@fuug.fi> an866@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>Just thought I'd say that certain fabrics feel better than others.
>>Especially as underware.
>>Antron III, Ravisant, Poly Satin.
>>Now, if men's underware manufactuers would just get it together and
>>offer briefs in these fabrics, I wouldn't have to shop in the Ladies
>>section.
>
>Thought for food.  More and more you find women, IE your mother, your
>significant other, whomever, buying clothes for me.  This has had enough of
>an effect in the market alreadythat some names that used to just bring
>women's wear to mind, are now in the men's section too.  Either talk to
>the person that buys your clothes, or send mail to the folks that make
>your clothes.
>
>Chris/Kristine 
>
Actualy Vanity Fair, Venezia, and Warner make dandy high cut briefs
that fit and feel just fine. A fly to "make them legal" would be the
touch. (and perhaps to be void of decoration).
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From: an3690@anon.penet.fi (Lash)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Hi Girls
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:55:00 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

Rooster in the henhouse just testing. :-)
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From: an3344@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:41:40 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

Shannon,

>	there's NO WAY I could pass). Am I the only girl out here that doesn't
>	have a real set of substitutes? I guess it'd be interesting to know
>	what the "most used" breast substitute is. 

Hmmm, I've used water balloons in the past, but the trick is to get #16 or #18 
size (if there is a world standard) and blow them up for at least a half a day 
(or longer) so as to stretch the latex and make it lose some of it's 
elasticity. This way when you poor in water (or peanut oil or whatever), the 
latex stays some what pliable. Make sure you squeeze out the excess air 
completely and tie a knot as close to the opening as possible. (IE you want 
the enclosed liquid to be a "fluid" as possible and the balloon merely acts
to hold it in place). Tie a double knot if you want some nipples, too :)

I used this method for years to great effect. Note however that latex has a
remarkable memory and the balloon will eventually return to a smaller, thus 
less natural state.

As a holiday present to myself, I bought a pair of Airway Silicone filled 
breast forms. All I can say is that I wish I had done it *much* sooner. 
Expensive? Yes!  Worth it? You bet!!!
 
Hugs

Joanna

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From: banana@spuddy.uucp (Jon Taylor)
Apparently-To: <alt.transgendered@news.demon.co.uk>
Subject: None (mail relay)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:22:51 +0000


Hi Girls... this is a test.

Sorry! :)

Hugs... Kaz

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: mag@nexus.yorku.ca (Michael Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:32:15 GMT

w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.012019.25578@colorado.edu>, devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (No one in particular) writes:

>>I have a 'real' set of substitutes (masectomy prostheses), but before I
>>had them I often used old stockings filled with birdseed.  If you make
>>sure to size them small enough, they work well.  :)
>>
>>			-Deb


I have a very nice $50 pair of latex foam breasts.  They have a nice
weight and eventually get to body temperature.  I used to use rice in a
sticking, and they were quite nice.  I agree the trick is to keep the
size down.  My 'falsies' are a B, and seem to fit me fairly well.

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From: an4374@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:08:10 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered
Have a Very Happy and exciting New Year!

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From: mamacdonald@mta.ca (Steve MacDonald)
Subject: Sorry
Reply-To: mamacdonald@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:53:28 GMT

  I would like to say that I am sorry for posting the question on this
group concerning the caramilk bar.  It was only intended as a small
prank and I sincerely apologize for doing it.  I had not planned on
what I did being posted to alt.shenanigans nor did I do it in distaste
for the transgendered lifestyle.  I simply picked the first serious group
which came to mind.

  The reason I am posting this apology is because I would hate for
anyone from Mt A to be excluded from being recognized in this group
due to my actions.  The ideas you have heard so far from Mt A are
not representative of the school as a whole and I ask that you give
the school another chance before adding "@mta.ca" to your kill
files.

  Once again, I sincerely apologize for any trouble which I may 
have caused.

                                         Steve MacDonald
                                         Mount Allison University