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From: kemper@informatik.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [RHRK])
Subject: Problems with booting from external HD
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:55:46 GMT

My system:
Macintosh SE/30 (System 7.0 german) SCSI-ID 7
Internal 40 MB Quantum HD SCSI-ID 0
External 240 MB Quantum HD SCSI-ID 3
Laser printer PLP II SCSI-ID 6

My problem:
When I try to boot from the external HD, the system hangs just after
displaying "Welcome to Macintosh" and "MacsBug installed". There is
no drive activity any more. Jumping into MacsBugs is possible, but
typing on the keyboard doesn't work. The only way to get out is to
switch off the Mac and switch it on again. After two or three times
the Mac boots from the external HD without problems.
Booting from the internal HD sometimes causes the same problem.
I found out, that the problem is more likely when I use the Silverlining
driver rather than the Apple driver.

My question:
What am I doing wrong? Is there a certain order for switching on the 
SCSI devices (Usually my order is: printer, external, Mac). Must they
have certain IDs?

Thank you for help!
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From: phil@howtek.UUCP (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: HELP!  Need Nuvotech NuvoLink II ENET Installer Disk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:04:52 EST
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
Reply-To: phil@howtek.UUCP (Phil Hunt)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2

Hi,

We have 1 remaining Nuvotech ENET board in a mac here at work.

Well, Somehow we lost the ONLY remaining Nuvotech Installer Disk!  
And we reinstalled the OS.

Anyone have a NuvoTech disk I can borrow?

Thanks in advance

Phil
Howtek

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From: bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: External disk drive setup
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:18:57 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.eng.pyramid.com

I have Micropolis 1375 scsi disk drive (~200Mb) that I've removed from
an non-mac system.  I have a power supply, box and cables.  I'd like
to set this up as an external drive to my Mac+ (running 7.0 tunedup).
(Sometime this year I expect to upgrade the Mac+ to a IIsi or IIci.)

My question specifically is what do I need to do to get the drive formatted
for the Mac, and a driver installed for this disk drive?  The more general
question is how do I do this for an arbitrary scsi disk drive?  It seems
that if I buy a new drive *for* a Mac, it comes formatted or with the
appropriate software.

I've read through the FAQ's that I could find.  Scoured sumex-aim for
drivers, tips, hints, etc.  Please point me in the direction of any
information on the subject, be it on the internet or a book, etc.
If there are several options, I'd be interested in recommendations.

Thanks!

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bruce schlobohm
bms@pyramid.com
From: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Magnetized Monitor = Junk ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:23:14 GMT
Reply-To: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <16B4D101F.LILMARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> LILMARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Martin Lilly) writes:
>My adventurous daughter wanted to see if our beautiful 13" Trinitron monitor
>was magnetic- she touched a moderately powerful magnet to the screen and it now
>has 4 large, ugly blotches on it.
> 
>Is my $600 investment shot?

There is a possibility that the internal degauss system is not up to the task.
Monitors can often be externally degaussed using a degauss coil more powerful 
than those that are built in to the monitor. The coil is a simple device and
amounts to little more than about a 1 foot or so diameter coil of wire that
carries line AC current. One could be built for a few dollars, but I suspect
that most monitor/TV service shops have one.  

If you decide to do it yourself, two things to be careful of:
The coil should have enough impedance to limit the current to values that
will avoid popping circuit breakers or rapidly overheating the coil. Add turns
if necessary.

Don't turn the coil on or off while it is near the monitor. This will aggravate the problem you are trying to cure.

Of course, do this well away from your drives and store of floppy discs.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: "Gary Hopkins" <wk00624@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Duo HD problems: HELP (Apple: say something!)
Organization: Gary Hopkins Typesetting
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:54:28 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   7 Jan 93 08:33:49 GMT
>FROM:   Gar <Apgar@Apple.com>
>
>In article <43129@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ewa@cs.ucsd.edu (Eric Anderson) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <lau-060193100320@michigan.aero.org> lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau) writes:
>> >In article <1993Jan2.173624@lamisun.epfl.ch>, pulfer@lamisun.epfl.ch
>> >(Jean-Michel Pulfer) wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>     I did have the same problem as David: I wanted to get rid of the
>> >> circa 2800KB `hole' Apple left on my PowerBook 180's 120MB HD. It
>> >I did reformat my drive to utilize all of the HD ...  Hmmmm  I wonder if that
>> >has anything to do with my HD crashes on my Duo....
>> 
>> Sheesh, well, Apple can keep the 5.5MB they set aside on the 80 in my 210
>> for a while longer!  Would anyone at Apple be kind enough to tell us
>> 
>> 1. There must be some good reason for all that extra space, riiiight?
>> 2. Are we crazy to think that reclaiming it could cause random failures?
>
>I am in no way connected to the Duo projects, but I think the same
>reasoning applies to these HD's as with all the other Macs. Apple
>gets HDs from various manufacturers with VARIOUS sizes. We can't be
>shipping the same CPU out with different size HD's so they are all
>formatted down to a common size.
>
>I have reclaimed space on Apple HD's from many different models
>and I don't believe it ever causes problems. But, I have not had the
>pleasure of working with a Duo HD.
>
>Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.

See the just-mailed February issue of MacWorld, page 278: "How to unlock 
the hidden storage on your hard drive" which details the procedure for 
getting full partition usage from Apple-supplied drives, using HD SC Setup.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:08:11 EST
From: <BFANTIE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Nuvotech EasyView Monitor-Help!

I bought a Nuvotech EasyView B/W monitor at a computer store yard sale to
attach to my trusty, dusty Plus. Trouble is the connector that goes between
the internal card and the monitor cable was missing. Nuvotech is out of the
monitor busy and was not very helpful (remember that if you are thinking
about any of their networking products). I have a technician who will build
me the connector if I can find out what lead goes to what pin......does
anyone out there have one of these antiques and, perhaps, a manual? Any
suggestions?
Bryan Fantie (BFANTIE@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU)
From: apdoo@alice.att.com (Alan Weiss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Please help me with a sad mac code
Keywords: Mac Plus
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:20:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24583
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ


Can anybody tell me what a sad mac code "02FF00" means?
I installed some SIMMS in my kids' mac, and it has been
acting badly since, and now I just get this sad face on startup.
Bad SIMMS or is something else wrong (maybe I broke something
in the installation?) It is a Mac Plus, by the way.

Thanks in advance,

Alan Weiss
apdoo@research.att.com
From: brian.polak@travel.com (Brian Polak) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: FPU emulation
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: brian.polak@travel.com (Brian Polak) 

As the sub says I need a software emulator of a math coprocessor to use on 
my PB160.  Speed is not a great concern, or I would have bought a 180. 
Please post the name and possible FTP sites or send me e-mail, whichever 
you prefer. 
                                      Thanks a bunch
                                       Bri
                             Internet: brian.polak@travel.com

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From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Solution: Sticky drive and extra space.
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:44:33 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Last week I posted a few messages trying to resolve a problem: I have
a Mac IIcx and it had a sticky old 3.5" Sony 40MB hard drive, which
periodically wouldn't spin up. After several months of whacking the side
of my machine, putting a lamp above the drive to warm up the lubricant, 
removing the drive and shaking it before booting up, and just generally
being frustrated (not just by that but also by the fact that 40MB is no
longer enough storage), I found a cheap resolution.

First, the drive is replaceable by an Apple recall exchange, and my
University's computer shop had a replacement in stock. Sticky drive fixed.
Second, I found an old 5.25" Quantum 40MB internal drive from a Mac II
sitting on a shelf in our computer tech's office, and managed to buy a case,
power supply,. and SCSI cable setup for the thing for a little over $130
Canadian (about $100 US). After about an hour's work installing the drive
into the case, fiddling with jumpers to get it to change its SCSI ID
(no documentation, of course), and swapping files, I now have 80MB of
reliable storage where I had only 40MB of unreliable stuff before.

There's nothing remarkable in this, but I'd just like to thank all those
people who let me know about the warranty exchange and the cable/case 
option for an old internal drive. It worked, and it cost a lot less than 
a new 80MB drive!

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada

(Long live netland.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price)
Subject: Re: Mac IIvx with 16" apple monitor?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:45:50 GMT
Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <1993Jan8.232526.7031@colorado.edu>, cary@jove.colorado.edu
(John R. Cary) wrote:
> ... Our University Price sheet indicates that the 
> Mac 16" color display works with the builtin video of the IIvx...

They must be reading MacUser :-)

The IIvx can _not_ drive the 16" Apple monitor with its built-in video.  It
doesn't matter how much VRAM you add; it's not supported.  You'll need a
video card to drive this monitor on the IIvx.

noah

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From: Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Keeping ants out of CPU
Date: 03 Jan 93 23:34:24 CST
Reply-To: michael.davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org
Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

An unknown person asked:

Unknown> I found 20-30 ants living in the transceiver for the Mac.
Unknown> ... Is there any chemicals that I
Unknown> could put on the desk that will prevent them even moving
Unknown> closer to furniture?

Three Suggestions to get those ants to cry Uncle:

First suggestion: Comet cleanser (on the desktop, not in the CPU) works great
keeping ants away; and its inexpensive.

Second suggesion: Use panty hose to cover your cpu. They keep dust out as well
as ants. However, you will need a run in them for your floppy drive.

Third suggestion: get an anteater.

Well, you asked for suggestions!!!!!!

Liberty,
Michael


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (Carl F. Hostetter)
Subject: Help with FAX modems
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: NASA/GSFC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:38:01 GMT

I am considering the purchase of a FAX modem. I have a Mac II, which
has a 2400 baud vanilla modem attached, and a Powerbook 100, which has
no modem at all, so I'm thinking of buying a modem for the Powerbook.

My requirements are: FAX send and receive; the ability to wake up
the Powerbook to receive an incoming FAX; portability (if not
internal); low cost (< $200 if possible); single-line phone/FAX switch, 
if possible.

Can anyone recommend a suitable modem? Can anyone tell me whether
the Zoom FaxModem PKT shown on p. 50 of the lates MacWarehouse
catalog will meet the above criteria?

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From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Duo HD problems: HELP (Apple: say something!)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:33:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Apple

In article <43129@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ewa@cs.ucsd.edu (Eric Anderson) wrote:
> 
> In article <lau-060193100320@michigan.aero.org> lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan2.173624@lamisun.epfl.ch>, pulfer@lamisun.epfl.ch
> >(Jean-Michel Pulfer) wrote:
> >> 
> >>     I did have the same problem as David: I wanted to get rid of the
> >> circa 2800KB `hole' Apple left on my PowerBook 180's 120MB HD. It
> >I did reformat my drive to utilize all of the HD ...  Hmmmm  I wonder if that
> >has anything to do with my HD crashes on my Duo....
> 
> Sheesh, well, Apple can keep the 5.5MB they set aside on the 80 in my 210
> for a while longer!  Would anyone at Apple be kind enough to tell us
> 
> 1. There must be some good reason for all that extra space, riiiight?
> 2. Are we crazy to think that reclaiming it could cause random failures?

I am in no way connected to the Duo projects, but I think the same
reasoning applies to these HD's as with all the other Macs. Apple
gets HDs from various manufacturers with VARIOUS sizes. We can't be
shipping the same CPU out with different size HD's so they are all
formatted down to a common size.

I have reclaimed space on Apple HD's from many different models
and I don't believe it ever causes problems. But, I have not had the
pleasure of working with a Duo HD.

Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.
From: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac IIvx with 16" apple monitor?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:27:15 GMT
Reply-To: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

In article <1993Jan8.232526.7031@colorado.edu> cary@jove.colorado.edu (John R. Cary) writes:
>
>We have really been getting the runaround on what monitors will work with the
>built in video of a Mac IIvx.  Our University Price sheet indicates that the 
>Mac 16" color display works with the builtin video of the IIvx, but an
>experiment indicates otherwise.
>
>One dealer says that increasing the vram from 512k to 1M will allow us to
>drive the monitor.  Another disagrees and says we need a card.
>
>Does anyone know what exactly is needed to make this monitor work on
>the IIvx?
>




They are incorrect.  The vx will work with monitors up to 640X480 pixels (13
or 14 inch).  With 512K VRAM you get 256 colors or 256 shades of grey.  Move
up to 1 meg VRAM and you get 256 shades of grey or 32,768 colors (thousands
in the monitor control panel).  



The vx will not work with a 16 (832 x624) inch monitor with built in video.
You must buy a video card when going to the larger displays.


Howard Kaplan




Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Is the PB 160 a 32-bit machine?
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:46:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.184212.24557@cc.umontreal.ca> casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe) writes:
>    In the booklet 'Apple Facts 10.92', it is stated (p. 31) that the
>PowerBook 160 has "greater performance" than the PB 145 (in the 'Other
>Macintosh models to consider' section).

I used to have a PB140 and I now have a PB160. The PB160 is noticeably
faster than the 140 even when I run it in 16Mhz mode. I guess they improved
the architecture somehow.

Greater performance can also mean that the machine has better battery life
and a higher memory capacity. It can mean that you can view graphics in 16
shades of gray. Performance depends on your needs. It's not simply a question
of processor speed.

>Is it because the PB 160 is a 32-bit machine whereas the PB 145 is 16-bit?

Both are 32-bit.

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 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Caps-lock key on Duo...
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:50:40 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
In-reply-to: pug@apple.com's message of 5 Jan 93 19:47:53 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.194753.21385@gallant.apple.com> pug@apple.com (Russ Emmons) writes:
>I think you can probably expect to see this rectified eventually.

Speaking of things which may be rectified eventually, what's the deal
with the Caps-Lock key problem?   Apparently, the keyboard controller
on the powerbooks keeps state about the setting of that key (*duhhh*)
so that it can't be remapped to be a control key (it would be a
Control Lock key).

Has this been fixed in the Duo?   If not, are there plans to fix it in
a way that can be retrofitted?   For those of us who use our computers
for things other than editing text, having a CapsLock key where the
control key is supposed to be is a big, big problem.   It's the only
thing that I'm not sure I can live with about the Duo.

			       _MelloN_
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin )
Subject: Re: Recommendations on hard drives.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:37:47 GMT

drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:

>In article <1icqetINN1og@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:

>   I'm in the market for a new hard drive. The old 40MB on my IIcx is, (a)
>   too small, and (b) having stiction problems. I'm looking for something
>   in the 100MB range, and am wondering about relative prices (I'm in Canada,
>   so I'll assume inflated exchange etc.) and reliability of various models.
>   I'd probably prefer an internal drive, but exterbal SCSI devices interest me
>   too. I want to know which brands and/or models you recommend, and bit
>   about speeds and reliability.

>I like my Quantum 105 LPS.  If I was buying today I'd get a 170 from
>Quantum.  Quantum seems to be specializing in small drives.  If I was
>getting a medium to large drive then I'd look for names like Maxtor
>or Seagate.  I've had good luck with these on work machines.  HP also
>makes some very fine drives.  


I recommend Quantum too.  I've seen an external Quantum 105MB drive for 
$310 in the January issue of MacWorld.
From: wstomv@wsinpa04.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Connecting a color monitor to a SE30: need help
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: wstomv@win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven Univ. of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <C03Czq.Cwy@rice.edu> owhadi@gale.rice.edu (Eric Owhadi) writes:
>I want to connect an Apple 13" or 14" to my SE30.
>
>Could anyone help me to make up my mind between an Micron XCEED COLOR30
>or a LAPIS COLORSERVER PDS30 serie card.

I have a LAPIS COLORSERVER PDS30-14 in my SE/30.  Currently it drives
my Apple Portrait Display (APD) in 16 gray-levels.  I also tried it
with a color monitor and it works great.  I am satisfied with the ColorServer,
though not completely (see below).  However, I don't know how much
better an XCEED card would be.

With LAPIS you have a choice of ColorServer PDS30 cards, each with its
own features and price lable.  Some are fixed for one type of monitor,
others are "programmable".  The programmable ones cover different
ranges of monitor types.  Mine would do the Apple 13" at 8 bits/pixel
and the APD at 4 bits/pixel.  It also has a connector for VGA monitors
(but you need to open the SE/30 to install it in place of the Apple
type connector, since you can install only one connector at a time).

Comments:  The image produced by the ColorServer on my APD is not as
   good as that produced by a II-si (I tried my monitor on both
   machines).  At least part of the problem is universal: the SE/30
   radiates into the second monitor (and the interface card), so the
   second monitor should be sufficiently far away from the SE/30 (on the
   other hand, for dual-screen operation, you want to keep them close
   together; N.B. I like the dual-screen operation and exploit it a lot).

   When you put the menu bar on the second screen, you will not see your
   init icons at system start-up.  Switching "menu-bar" screen requires a
   restart, as does a change of resolution for the programmable cards.

Again, I don't know how other cards fare in these respects.

	Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: net@gagme.chi.il.us 
Subject: WHAT DO NUMERICAL ERROR CODES MEAN?
Originator: @gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:19:24 GMT


I recently posted an article about getting errors after running Norton's 
SpeedDisk on my mac IIci.  

I would like to know what these errors mean...

error -50
error = 32
INIT error = 16

Also, is there a book that gives a thourough explanation of these error codes?

Any help is appreciated, e-mail prefered, news here is much slower than e-mail.

Will
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware