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From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X11R5 and gcc 2.1 on a sun3
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:44:42 GMT
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.
Originator: ndd@bal1

I finally got around to trying X11R5 on a sun3 with gcc 2.1, and
I've run into the same problem that someone else had back in May:
when trying to run applications that use Xmu and don't link in
Xt, I get

ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XtMalloc

errors. a couple of solutions were offered: applying some SunOS
patches

ld.jumbo.100170-06
libc.100266-06
ld.so.100257-03

and using the SunPost411FCSLd flag in Project.tmpl, or just linking
against Xt everywhere:

  Change one line in config/sunLib.tmpl:

    51c51
    <            XMULIB = _Use(-lXmu,-L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu -L$(TOOLKITSRC))
    ---
    >            XMULIB = _Use(-lXmu,-L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu -L$(TOOLKITSRC) -lXt)



so is there any preference as to which to do? as far as I can tell,
I don't have any problems that need those patches, but I'm not sure
if I want to link in (even dynamically) Xt if it's not necessary.
suggestions?

-- 
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: pha21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Braham Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: libXaw.so.5 not found?
Keywords: xdm, lib not found
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:22:19 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

ive had the same type of behaviour too and tracked it down to xload !! no
seriously it was and invocation of xload from an xinitrc file that was
causing the problems both on Sun-3 and Sun-4. So i went back into the
tree, thankfully it was still online, and cleaned the xload directory
and remade in that directory. Problem solved. I have no idea as to why
this has happened but could be due to xload not being rebuilt during one
of the recent patch applications (i speculate). Any thoughts anyone ?

braham
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: marbru@auto-trol.com (Martin Brunecky)
Subject: Re: "Copyright" problem
Keywords: copyright
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:04:27 GMT

In article <21537@optima.cs.arizona.edu> azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao) writes:
>
>There's a certain application which I'm modifying the code. The
>original author said in the code:
>
>	Copyright (C) 1988	Dr. X Y Z
>	Permission is granted to modify and re-distribute this code in
>	any manner as long as this notice is preserved. All standard
>	disclaimers apply.
>
>At this point I want to "modify and re-distribute" the program.
>....
>Could anybody tell me what to do? Thanks a lot!

You could do exactly what David Smythe did with Wcl 2.01: REMOVE the
Dr. X Y Z 's copyright and replace it with one of your own .... 


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rob@csi.on.ca (Rob McAteer)
Subject: Re: HP-UX - building x clients - need imake, config files etc
Keywords: HP-UX
Organization: Carp Systems International
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:59:11 GMT

rob@csi.on.ca (Rob McAteer) writes:
yeesh, what happened there.... What I really wrote was
I am trying to build some x clients and widgets on a HP-UX 8.08 machine.
I think the machine has a standard (?) hp recommended install of x, but
I can't find any imake, config files, scripts etc.  
Should they be there?  If not, does anyone know how I can go about 
getting them?  I know there was a thread entitled something like "screwy 
X setup on hp-ux" a week or so ago but I had no idea... sorry if I'm
repeating...
Regards, Rob
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From: mlee@cs.arizona.edu (Michael (Yuk-Wo) Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X window programming
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:17:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


I have been using X window for some time and now I want to start learning
how to program it.  Here are some questions that I encountered:

1) There are several levels of X window programming, eg. Xlib, Xt, Xview, etc.
   Which level should I start with?

2) There are things called Motif, OpenLook, OpenWins, Xview.  How do they
   differ among each other?  Which one is more popular?

Thanks in advance.


Michael


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: ranen@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (Ranen Goren)
Subject: announcing xmib1.0 (beta)
Keywords: snmp, mib, Motif
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:16:28 GMT

Announcing xmib 1.0 (beta ver.)

xmib is a MIB tree control panel for X, with Motif
interface. It allows set and get operations for
SNMP variables. The current version of xmib
does not support SNMP tables, but future versions will.

Location (for anonymous FTP)
	Host: cs.huji.ac.il
	Dir:  /pub/network/snmp/
	File: xmib1.0b.tar.Z     
	Size: 50638 bytes

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: xedit ?
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.005909.24634@colorado.edu>, xuehua@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Xuehua Lu) writes:
|> Hi! Will anybody in the newsgroup help me with a little problem?
|> I am an X window system beginner. I want to know the keystroke
|> command of xedit for locating line by line number, i.e., given the
|> line number, find the palce where it is in the file.
|> 
|> Thank you in advance. I'd appreciate your help.

xedit is basically just a wrapper around the text widget and that
doesn't have the facility that you desire, it does have the ability to
move down one line though, plus the ability to do an action a number of
times, default 4. So to move from line 1 to line 23 type
^U^U<down>^U<down><down><down>, that moves 16 + 4 + 1 + 1 or 22 lines.
The multiply facility can take other values but you must define
translations to do this. Alternatively get axe which has this facility. 

-- 

Michael Salmon

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#include	<witty.saying>
#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>

Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: "Insufficient resources for operation"  ??
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.160245.12916@cs.tulane.edu> kam@tulmath.math.tulane.edu (Katherine Hosch) writes:
>Greetings.  I just installed X11R5 on a 4/380 and have been having
>problems of various sorts ever since.  In running X on a sparc ELC,
>and running some openlook applications, bad things occasionally
>happen.  For instance, a click of the left mouse button in a window
>has made the window disappear; or trying to respond to mail has caused
>the mail tool to disappear.  

Try issuing the command
    xset bc
to turn on bug-compatibility in your R5 server.

>Today I was running a mail tool remotely...

Do you mean from a remote X terminal?  Or do you mean running the R5
server on your ELC, but with mailtool running on another host?

>and finally got an error message:
> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources
>    for operation)

This tells you that your mail tool client resized a window and
couldn't allocate (using malloc and sbrk) enough storage to let it
work properly.   It's probable that mailtool's window has backing store
turned on.

>I am guessing that this may mean that I need to reconfigure kernels 
>that are running X so that there is a larger number of max_processes.  

This has nothing to do with max_processes.  If it's the server running
on your ELC that failed, you're probably out of swap space on the ELC.
Say "/etc/pstat -s" to the ELC and it will tell you how much swap
space you have.  If it's less than about 5000K available when the mailtool
and other applications are up and running, add some.  See swapon(8).
From: lecom@slhp1.epfl.ch (Claude Lecommandeur)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Color icons
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:27:31 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1948@coyote.UUCP>, riegel@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Riegel) writes:
|> 
|>   I've created several color pixmaps, and I was wondering how I can create
|> icons for them in Xlib (X11R4).  The icon_pixmap field of WMHints doesn't
|> seem to work, since some window managers (e.g. twm) only copy one bit plane of
|> the pixmap to the icon.  Is there a way to create an icon manually (i.e.
|> an independent icon, not necessarily created by iconifying a window) and
|> then copy the pixmap to it?  I've been using a window but I don't want all
|> the window manager gadgets.  Should I just override the window manager and
|> write all the routines to handle move, expose, etc. events manually?
|> 
|> -Jeff Riegel
|> riegel@almaden.ibm.com

    Create a window with your pixmap as background pixmap and give it in
the icon_window field of WMHints. Any decent window manager should use it.

-- 


                    Claude Lecommandeur
                    Service Informatique Central
                    Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
                    1015 LAUSANNE (SWITZERLAND)
                    E-Mail : lecom@sic.epfl.ch
                    Tel : (41 21) 693-22-97
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: MS-Windows -> X11 / How to port?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:44:44 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1992Sep2.010832.22454@bmers145.bnr.ca>, friedman@bnr.ca (Barry Friedman) writes:
> I'm looking for pointers on porting MS-Windows apps. (C-Based) to X11.
> Any info on relevant literature, experiences, etc. would be welcome.

Send email to info@bristol.com

I don't have any connection with them and have never used their products.
They do a tool (library) which does exactly what you want (as far as I know).

snail@lsl.co.uk      

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              The Sisters Of Mercy?"
Eldritch:    "When I collapse at the end of it..."
Interviewer: "Do you mean that?"
Eldritch:    "Yeah...."

Vote for Bill Clinton. Vote for Bill Clinton. Vote for Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: building X11R5 on a SPARC
Keywords: Sun X11R5
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.220845.24739@ntmtv>, harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:

> Warning #1:
> ar clq libdidipex.a dipexParse.o dipexExt.o pexDump.o pexError.o dipexBuf.o pexUtils.o
> ranlib libdidipex.a
> ranlib: warning: libdidipex.a(pexDump.o): no symbol table
> ranlib: warning: libdidipex.a(pexError.o): no symbol table

> Warning #1 is a mystery to me.

It means just what it says: the pexDump.o and pexError.o modules in the
library have no symbol tables.  The most likely cause of this is that
the modules don't compile to anything, probably because they are
surrounded by disabled preprocessor conditionals (#ifdefs and the
like).

Ignore the messages.  They're spurious noise put in for ghod only knows
what reason by whoever wrote ranlib...

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: bwoodall@bilbo.qualcomm.com (Bill Woodall)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Accellerated X
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: bwoodall@bilbo.qualcomm.com (Bill Woodall)
Organization: Qualcomm Eng. Dept.

In article <9208251521.AA24967@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.EDU 
[..]

|> 
|> Another related question:
|> Are there frame buffers/graphic accellerators available for a Sun Sparc
|> which
|> have the capability of driving various monitors (i.e VGA and up) and
|> whichwill
|> plug into an Sbus slot.

	First, I'm NOT making a plug.
	I just got a blurb about a one slot Sbus card from Megatek called ESPRIX
	that says it has several software selectable resolution options
	(ie VGA and up).
	The other item was that the ESPRIX has a keyboard/mouse port builtin, so
	you can run four seperate keyboard&monitors off of a SPARC10.

|> I know of a card which does half the job (Vigra frame buffer), but this
|> board
|> has no graphic accellerators.
|> 
|> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Tim

..............Bill,
============================================================
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sense.  It is not fixed in terms of the responses it will
produce;  it is not fixed in terms of absolute level of
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.misc,comp.human-factors
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:56:05 GMT

neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher) writes:
>From Bruce Tognazzini, _Tog on Interface_:
>
>  - Test subjects consistently report that keyboarding is faster than mousing.
>  - The stopwatch consistently proves that mousing is faster than keyboarding.
...
>  It takes two seconds to decide upon which special-function key to press.

Preposterous.  If I wanted to kill my telnet session to unix right now, I would
press clover-K, return, without a thought.

Now if you gave me a new program to use, I wouldn't be so fast.  If they did
this in the experiment I'm not surprised that they got those results.  Using a
mouse (what geek invented the word "mousing", anyway?) is going to be quicker
when you're really unfamiliar with the set of commands; this is the fundamental
recognition versus recall thing we all know from psychology.  But if I didn't
have keyboard equivalents, there'd be no point in me using a mac, and I
wouldn't be defending it here.  Using keyboard equivalents is part of becoming
an expert and doesn't pay off right away.

Then again, I type nearly 90 words a minute.  I wonder if their experimental
subjects could type.

p.s. and it's "keying", not "keyboarding".  Or does he say "typewritering"
instead of "typing" too?
From: David.Smyth@sniap.mchp.sni.de (David Smyth)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Problems while using WCL 2.2
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:20:17 GMT

Wcl 2.3, which is being readied for release at this moment, addresses
the problem with resource file loading.  WcLoadResourceFiles has
been heavily reworked and extensively tested.  The new mecahnism
copes logically with all of these cases:

Multi.wclResFiles:      \
        Multi \
        ~/Wcl2/Mri/Multi2 ~/Err ~Err ~root/home/david/Wcl2/Mri/Multi3 \
        ./Multi4 ../Mri/Multi5 SCCS/../Multi6 /home/david/Wcl2/Mri/Multi7 /xx \
        Multi8 Multi9

Here is an excerpt from the soon-to-be-posted announcement of Wcl 2.3:

...

Resource File Loading Support Improvements:
-------------------------------------------

Wcl has supported a command line option and resource specifications
to load resource files for some time now.  However, the algorithm used
to find the files was always rather deficient.

Wcl 2.3 now uses a complete mechanism to fully complement the way
Xt loads the initial resource database in XtOpenDisplay().

    1.  If the resource file name begins with tilda, then the file
        is looked as a path from a user's home directory (~/foo/bar
        or ~fred/bar etc).  If not found, a warning is given and
        the search stops.

    2.  If the resource file name begins with '/' or '.' then the
        file name is used as an absolute path or a relative path
        from the current working directory (./foo or ./foo/bar or
        ../foo/bar or /foo/bar etc).  If not found, a warning is
        given and the search stops.

    3.  If the filename can be found as a path from the current
        directory (foo or foo/bar etc), then the search stops here.
        This allows developers to very easily limit searches to the
        local directory, or sub-directories of the local directory.

    4.  Otherwise, we look for both a "system" applications default
        file and a "user" app-defaults file.  The first "system" file
        and first "user" file are merged into the resource database
        applicable to the application shell.  The files are
        found using the same algorithm used by R3, R4, or R5 Xt
        (whichever is appropriate).  XFILESEARCHPATH and the
        compiled in path (generally /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults) are
        used to find the "system" file, and XUSERFILESEARCHPATH
        or XAPPLRESDIR or the default ($HOME) are used to find the
        "user" file.

The result is that you may have wclResFiles specifications like this:

myApp.wclResFiles:      myApp/dialog1 myApp/dialog2 myApp/dialog3

and have the files found in subdirectories of /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults
and ~/app-defaults, which makes it easier to manage applications with
large and complex interfaces.


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David E. Smyth		      David.Smyth@sniap.mchp.sni.de
Object/X Researcher	      david@ap542.uucp
Esprit Research		      david%ap542@ztivax.siemens.com
Funding provided by: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG
		     AP 154, Carl-Wery-Str 22, Munich 83 Germany
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: comsys@DIALix.oz.au (Comsys)
Subject: X11R5 scaleable fonts wanted
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 09:15:10 GMT
Summary: Does anyone know where to get more scaleable fonts?
Keywords: fonts Speedo scaleable

I've just got X11R5 scaleable fonts working with SL-GMS to solve a GUI
problem.  But there seems to be only 2 font families to choose from - Speedo
courier and charter bitstream fonts.

Does anyone know of any others around?  I'm particularly interested in sans
serif fonts such as helvetica or univers.

Thanks,

Steve Kinsman
(steve@comsys.DIALix.oz.au)
From: ranen@FALAFEL.CS.HUJI.AC.IL (Ranen Goren)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.announce
Subject: announcing xmib1.0 (beta)
Keywords: snmp, mib, Motif
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:16:28 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel

Announcing xmib 1.0 (beta ver.)

xmib is a MIB tree control panel for X, with Motif
interface. It allows set and get operations for
SNMP variables. The current version of xmib
does not support SNMP tables, but future versions will.

Location (for anonymous FTP)
	Host: cs.huji.ac.il
	Dir:  /pub/network/snmp/
	File: xmib1.0b.tar.Z     
	Size: 50638 bytes

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From: Hornig@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM (Charles Hornig)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.announce
Subject: CLX 5.01
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:10:37 GMT
Distribution: inet

Version 5.01 of CLX (the X library binding for Common Lisp) is now
available on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/CLX.R5.01.tar.Z.  The
differences between this version and the version distribiuted with R5
are described below.  Please report any problems with this version of
CLX to bug-clx@expo.lcs.mit.edu.

- - - - - - - - - -

Changes in CLX 5.01:

Support for MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authorization has been added.

All VALUES declarations have been changed to CLX-VALUES declarations.
VALUES is a CL type name and cannot be used as a declaration name.

All ARRAY-REGISTER declarations have been removed as Genera no longer
needs them.

Many type declarations have been corrected or tightened up now that some
Lisps look at them.

Print functions have been defined for bitmap and pixmap formats.

The DISPLAY-PLIST slot will be initialized to NIL.

When debugging, don't optimize SPEED in the buffer macros.

Make the CARD8<->CHAR and the window manager code work for sparse
character sets (where some codes do not have corresponding characters).

The default gcontext extension set and copy functions will take the
correct number of arguments.

PUT-IMAGE will now work for 24-bit images.

The buffer accessors for MEMBER8, etc., will use the standard mechanisms
for reporting type errors.

Typographical errors in SET-WM-PROPERTIES, SET-STANDARD-COLORMAP, and
POINTER-CONTROL have been fixed.

Symbolics systems will do lazy macroexpansion in the buffer macros.

A variety of changes for Symbolics Minima systems have been made.

Some system-dependent code has been added for CMU Common Lisp.
From: scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen)
Subject: xlock - worms mode not working on DS 5000/25
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:02:13 GMT

Has anybody built the version of xlock that has the worms mode on a DS 5000
series machine?  I've just done so and all the modes work fine except that
the worms mode fills the screen with a grid of dots that flash a series of
colors periodically.  Anybody seen this before?  When I built the same 
software on a Sun a few months back I had no woes.

Any help much appreciated.

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From: bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.openlook,comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: XIO: fatal IO error 32???
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:57:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.lvmnkcn.bagus
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



Does anyone know what this error means?  I get it occassionally when I try
to run an application (currently WordPerfect).

XIO:	fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server "boris:0.0"
	after 75 requests (74 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
	The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient. 

And how can I fix it?

thanks
mark
mark@telco-nac.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: drm4005@wuee1.wustl.edu (David Russell Maffitt)
Subject: help drawing with graphics tablet
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:04:36 GMT


I need to learn about implementing a simple drawing program that uses
a graphics tablet for input in the UNIX/X11 environment.  I have access to
some people with X experience who can help me learn X but they are not 
familiar with interfacing with tablets.

Coming from a PC background, I am still trying to learn what the issues
are.  For example, do drivers exist for common tablets such as the 
Summagraphics MM series or is more specialized and less portable 
hardware required?

If you have some experiences doing this, good and/or bad, and any pointers
to sample code, I would like to hear from you.  Please email to me and 
I'll summarize to the net.

Thanks,   Dave Maffitt
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x