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From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Last night's dream!
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:07:39 GMT

Joe Karthauser (cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek) wrote:
: Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
: 
: Last night I had a dream. In part of the dream that I can remember I was
: dreaming that I had bought a second-hand car to replace mine which has recently
died
......................................
Our own body is a second-hand vehicle...
......................................
: 
: I remember driving it sitting in the front on the left (left hand drive). Later
: I drove it and it was right hand drive (My car's right hand and my girl
: friend's is left hand drive). I remember thinking that it was strange that I
: had driven it left handedly as when I looked over to the left of the car I
: realised that there was only one steering wheel: on the right!!
: ......................................
The most important part of our body is the right hemisphere.
It is holistic....
..........................................
: Still later I got into the car again and for some reason I was on the left
: driving it. I looked at the dashboard and now saw TWO steering wheels, one on
: the left and one on the right. I wondered ...
...........................................
You must use both hemispheres in a co-operative way....
.............................................
: 
: I drove for a bit and then realised that the pedals were on the right and not
: where I was driving and so I had to reach my legs over to the passenger side to
: activate the brake!
: ................................................
You must use more Your right hemisphere and slow down a bit in Your life...
.................................................
: I realised that something was wrong but for some reason I wasn't able to
: consciously acknowledge that I was dreaming. Is there anyway that I can develop
: this recognition?
: .....................
What do You think of this...?
.......................
: Can anyone help?
.......................
I think, YES
: ......................
:
.......................
: Cheers,
:.         Joe
: ......................
Cheers,
           Olli Pajula
: --
: 
: ------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
: Josef Karthauser          Remember... Today is the first day of the rest of
: joek@cogs.susx.ac.uk      your life. Use it well. :-)
: ------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
I'm trying
..............
The same
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From: mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip)
Subject: Monroe's tapes (was: Some Questions from a Newbe)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:39:03

>   Well, I ordered one of Monroe's Hemi-Sync tapes.....
>   still waiting for something to happen...(It's been a few months)
>   So, I figure it was a waste, but I'll let someone else try it....
>   Maybe it will work for one of my friends...

I ordered the first part of the Discovery-program (6 tapes) together
with a friend about 3-4 years ago. The tapes were very relaxing and
amusing and although I personally never have experienced an oobe, my
friend claims that he has (with the help of the tapes). Still I'm not
so disappointed.  The relaxing techniques the tapes deal with are very
good and can be used for plain meditational purposes as well as pure
searching for the oobe. In fact, I think better results are achived
that way. Merely using the tapes with an empty mind will give more
result that focusing on the oobe alone.
--
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From: The OOBE Monster! <UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU!S952092>
Subject: Re: Projection... How to do it?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:57:34 GMT

Original Sender: The OOBE Monster! <UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU!S952092>

      Astral body has mass sometimes, when I travel closer to the earth
 plane I experience slight pull of gravity; to travel to other planes-
 all I had to do is to change my density(vabratory rate?), and here I go:
 envoiroment lighting up with different lights (very brought),
 begin  to feel lighter and less dense. There is no gravity detectable at
 higher planes (I better say inner, they all exist within themselves)....




     Jack.


P.S. everything here is according to my experiences.......
From: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
Subject: Re: Last night's dream!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:21:17 GMT

Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>

> : Last night I had a dream. In part of the dream that I can remember I was
> : dreaming that I had bought a second-hand car to replace mine which has
> : recently died
> ......................................
> Our own body is a second-hand vehicle...
> ......................................
> :
> : I remember driving it sitting in the front on the left (left hand drive). La
ter
> : I drove it and it was right hand drive (My car's right hand and my girl
> : friend's is left hand drive). I remember thinking that it was strange that I

> : had driven it left handedly as when I looked over to the left of the car I
> : realised that there was only one steering wheel: on the right!!
> : ......................................
> The most important part of our body is the right hemisphere.
> It is holistic....
> ..........................................
> : Still later I got into the car again and for some reason I was on the left
> : driving it. I looked at the dashboard and now saw TWO steering wheels, one o
n
> : the left and one on the right. I wondered ...
> ...........................................
> You must use both hemispheres in a co-operative way....
> .............................................
> :
> : I drove for a bit and then realised that the pedals were on the right and no
t
> : where I was driving and so I had to reach my legs over to the passenger side
 to
> : activate the brake!
> : ................................................
> You must use more Your right hemisphere and slow down a bit in Your life...
> .................................................
> : I realised that something was wrong but for some reason I wasn't able to
> : consciously acknowledge that I was dreaming. Is there anyway that I can deve
lop
> : this recognition?
> : .....................

Hmmm excuse me... But I don't really think that you are qualified to analise my
dream seeing as (1) You don't know me and (2) I didn't ask for one...

I wasn't asking for therapy (I am quite able to do that myself) but trying to
relate what happens in my unconscious life to oobes, lucid dreams, etc, and
asking for advice...... (If I had wanted anything elseI would have posted
elsewhere)

Cheers  :-)

        Joe

------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
Josef Karthauser          Remember... Today is the first day of the rest of
joek@cogs.susx.ac.uk      your life. Use it well. :-)
------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
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From: mw2630@gemini (Time it seems shall fade away, and then so will the dream I call reality.)
Subject: OOBEs and encounters with other Beings
Reply-To: mw2630@gemini
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:46:17 GMT

Hiyas all,
	Actually I was just thinking about that too.  I'm interested in any
experiences that anybody has had with a another being in the astral.  To 
start the ball rolling, I'll detail one of my own.
	It was a late summer night (last summer to be precise), my windows 
were open and the wind cooled the room to a very comfortable temp.  I hadn't
sleep for a while, and was completely exhausted from work.  I went to bed
after reading Monroe's second book.  As I was drifting off to sleep, I 
realized that I was in perhaps the perfect conditions for an OBE.  So I did
my normal relaxation techniques, letting my body fall right in to the bed.
Although this time was better, because there wasn't that usual thought 
chattering that I usually have so much trouble getting rid of.  
	After just lying there for five minutes, not thinking anything.  I
started to feel lighter, and strange music popped in to my head, accompanied
by the characteristic vibrations decribed by everyone else.  I wanted to use
the rolling method to get out, that being the method that I percieved to be
the easiest.  So I started to roll, and although I felt my body resisting and
holding on to me, I rolled off my bed on to the floor.  
	Just then, the I realized that there were three beings across the bed
from me.  I couldn't even begin to describe what they looked like, because 
I really didn't have the chance to really look.  I got the impression that
they were somehow suprised by my exit from my body.  Also I had the weirdest
feeling that they weren't human.  
	Well at that point, I subtly felt myself being attracted back to my 
body, so I jumped up through a window in to another of the Astral plains.  
The rest of the experience isn't relevant to the expierence, just a lot of
joy riding and such.  :-)  
	I'm forced to wonder now, about who those beings were, and what they're
interest in me was.  I have often encountered others in astral space, but 
they have never given me that "Alien" feeling.  To this date I haven't 
encountered them again.  So be it.

btw= Has anyone gotten a group together and ever tried to map out Astral sections
of space?

				Helix
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Astral-Experiences
Summary: Please Be Patient
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:06:26 GMT


wanted to let you all know, I'
                              've just begun inputing 
my first consciounes astral-projection out of 1,000 experiences from
1987-1990.. I stopped at 1990 cause I got real sick of writing 
out my projections. Anyways, look forward to the months ahead
about my experiences with astral-projection. These experiences take me
from time & space, around the moon and into other galaxy's, confronting
other entyies, beings, entering dimensions thru mirrors etc...


alot is to be typed, and i hope you all will find these interesting and 
can help you as well...................


the voice of silence
.
From: scrutton@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Reality Test
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:08:15 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan20.195403.22084@ctp.com>, ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
> In article <C15Ks3.LAH@newsserver.technet.sg> dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:
..
>>>have seen the effects. A similar thing happened with jumping off a bridge.
>>
>>	Thanks for the independent observation/confirmation on the usefulness
>>of RT. I do feel that it is a subject worth investigation in greater depth.
.
> I remembered the cannonballs, and these discussions, and said "What the
> hell" and jumped. IT WAS GREAT!!! An *amazing* feeling of flying (I've
> never skydived, but I imagine it was similar). BTW - I didn't end up
> hitting the ground, I basically woke up at that point.

Why imagine the similarity? Do the real deal. It's relatively cheap 
as great life experiences go, quite safe, and not often addictive.
My first free fall was way more spectacular (and much less painful)
than my near death oob trip.

You won't have to question this reality -- you'll live it.

	"I shit myself, therefore I am."

I've never had dreams about skydiving, but most who have tell me 
they do hit the ground and often bounce or just stand up.

Skydivers are a pretty irreverant bunch but all this reality/jump
shit is starting to bug me out.

Later.

-- 
-Jeff scrutton@ac.dal.ca	Dalhousie University Oceanography Dept.
				Reality is a trademark of Silicon Graphics
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From: slsdh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: A weird one (OBE)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:24:33 GMT
Organization: Utah State University


        I had a weird one last night.

I was very concious through the entire experience, or so it seemed.
I felt exceptionally relaxed on going to bed (11:50 pm) and then
awoke at about 5:00 am, feeling refreshed. I got up, walked around
a bit and then hit the sack again. In about five minutes, I entered
a profound state similar to Robert Monroe's focus 10, but much more
intense. All of this was with no concious effort on my part.
        Then I remembered the state from my last OBE a few years ago
and tried to conciously project. Every time I tried this, I would
wake up and then reenter the state almost immediately. In the state,
I couldn't feel anything of a body, couldn't see any light, and heard
A loud, unharmonic noise. After a few secs., I felt a someone in the
room with me and then saw (not phys. eyes) a human form immediately leave
the room (via the north wall). I was later folded into a ball and felt
a rush, travelling through something like air very quickly. I felt
something/one pushing me all along the way (in a straight line)
but had no vision; everything was completely dark. This began to scare
me even though I felt no bad intentions on the part of the entity.
I then decided to return and did. That was the end of this one. I
have had OBEs before but this was the first in about 2 years.

Any thoughts on who this entity was or what he/she wanted?

--Dave
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:04:21 EST
From: <JLS19@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: My Astral Experience

Last night, I found myself in the den downstairs facing the door that exits
to the outside.  "Aren't you in bed, sleeping?" I asked myself.  "Yes, you ARE!
That means I am OUT!  Yipeeee!" I stared at the door for a moment.  "Well,
what are you waiting for..  go for it!" I walked through the thick steel
door and I was outside.  It wasn't cold!  I was so happy, so excited.  I
soared, literally soared, up, UP, higher until I was way up in the clouds!
"Wow", I thought, "I've never been higher than the treetops.  So, where to
go..  Hmmmmmmm." I decided to go visit my friend in Hawaii.  We always try
to read each other and verify what we see and perceive.

 I started to
'assume my normal flying position.' How do I know how to fly?  I was on my
way, the wind whipping through my hair.  I could hardly contain myself, I
was so elated.  "Wait a minute, this will take all day.  You don't have to
fly there, you know that girl!" I realized that it was silly, all I needed
to do was think it and I would be there, 5,000 miles away.  Almost as soon
as the thought was in of my mind, I was there, in what I presume to be
Hawaii.

I found myself coming up from the floor.  I've never done that before! :)
Weird.  The floor was hardwood, and I was surprised.  I saw my friend, but
he was off in a corner.  The room was rather sparce, I believe he was at a
desk.  There were papers.  I'm not certain.  I wanted to get closer so I
could see better, but for some reason I was afraid to show my astral self to
my friend in body.  Upon thinking those things, having fear and doubt, I
found myself back in body.

I just wanted to document these things, write them down.  Now, I'll have to
see if my friend either saw anything or was indeed in such a room at that
time.  Lessee..  it was night for me, sometime after midnight, so that
would be about six or so for him.

Planet
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
Subject: Last night's dream!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:40:40 GMT

Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>

Last night I had a dream. In part of the dream that I can remember I was
dreaming that I had bought a second-hand car to replace mine which has recently
died.

I remember driving it sitting in the front on the left (left hand drive). Later
I drove it and it was right hand drive (My car's right hand and my girl
friend's is left hand drive). I remember thinking that it was strange that I
had driven it left handedly as when I looked over to the left of the car I
realised that there was only one steering wheel: on the right!!

Still later I got into the car again and for some reason I was on the left
driving it. I looked at the dashboard and now saw TWO steering wheels, one on
the left and one on the right. I wondered how this could be.

I drove for a bit and then realised that the pedals were on the right and not
where I was driving and so I had to reach my legs over to the passenger side to
activate the brake!

I realised that something was wrong but for some reason I wasn't able to
consciously acknowledge that I was dreaming. Is there anyway that I can develop
this recognition?

Can anyone help?

Cheers,

        Joe

--

------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
Josef Karthauser          Remember... Today is the first day of the rest of
joek@cogs.susx.ac.uk      your life. Use it well. :-)
------------------------  -------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: blaxson@shade.UWaterloo.ca (Brian A.Laxson)
Subject: Pain and OOB
Reply-To: balaxson@systems.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:47:04 GMT



One concept to give to you folk is relation of human and pain.

People do not like to expericience pain, and during exceptionally powerful  
feelings of physical/emotional trauma the 'you/consciouness/brain/soul'  
can decide that it is to painful to be around.

The result will lead to sensory shut down (i.e. see no pain feel no pain)  
and other activities.  One of these can be the decsion to not 'exist' in  
the current situation and displace to another.  The memories and  
imagination you have could be accessed and combined to give you a  
different viewpoint of the situation...i.e. OOB.  For reality checks look  
to see if your senses are still responding to the situation just before,  
try and find points of detail that were in error...was the paint in the  
room the right colour? were you wearing the same shirt?  

Consider it.



// Disclaimer, I represent no one put myself who is just wandering around.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: Meditation assistance
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:01:51 GMT

Original Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On 19 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original Sender: smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu
> Mailing List:    alt.out-of-body
>
> Hello,,
>
> I wonder if you could suggest some books about meditation?  I am just beginning
> this journey to connect with the higher self and need some assistance.  If you
> have any suggestions, hints or comments please send them my way.
>
> thanks so much.
>
>
> MEG

One book I read several years ago that I found helpful is _A Gradual
Awakening_ by Stephen Levine (question the spelling of his last name, I
may be wrong).  It has some real interesting methods and is fairly easy to
follow.  Since it's been several years, I don't recall its overall effect.
But if you find it, give it a shot.

Good luck

Steve
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: Still no success in OOBE
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:06:48 GMT

In article <46wsXB2w165w@actrix.co.at> actrix.co.at!paul (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>How about an inner-body experience?  A close friend of mine often has
>interesting subjective states or hypnogogia, wherein she receives
>various insights into non-apparent processes.  She told me that on one
>occasion she believed that she actually got in touch with the "body
>consciousness", i.e. a living entity that actually is responsible for
>regulating the autonomous processes within one's own organism.

Yep -- I've done this, although I have yet to do it with out being in a
drug-enhanced state. A few months ago, I'd had a couple hits of mj, and lay
down and basically began floating/meditating. I slowly "collapsed into"
myself, and essentially I recall being this tiny speck in a huge inky void!
But the void was not infinite -- it was the space inside me, and it had
bounds that were the bounds of my body. I think I was centered somewhere in
my chest (this seems reasonable, considering all the talk about the solar
plexus being the seat of "being"), and I'd say that in terms of absolute
size, we're talking atomic here, based on how far away my body bounds
seemed... Pretty fun experience, actually! --Erik

-- 
Erik Bailey   | Cambridge Technology Partners      | The usual disclaimer
              | 304 Vassar St., Cambridge MA 02139 | applies: this post is
ebail@ctp.com | (617) 374-8418                     | mine, not my employer's.
      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
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From: mw2630@uacsc1 (Time it seems shall fade away, and then so will the dream I call reality.)
Subject: Some Questions from a Newbe
Reply-To: mw2630@uacsc1
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:48:12 GMT

Hiyas all,
	I've been experimenting with Astral Projection for a while, getting 
about the same results that everyone has.  The thing is that I've just 
encountered a phenomeneon that puzzles me.  Whenever I'm in an alpha state,
tring to project.  I start to see thousands of tiny, dancing sparks all around.
These are quite puzzling to me.  If anybody has any information about them
could you please send it over to me.  I'm pretty interested in this.
	Also has anyone ever thought about the Astral Projections of the 
Indian Shamen.  I've just started researching this subject and it seems to me
that they do in fact use astral projection.  But instead they project "in to
the earth".  As of so far, I can't really prove or defend that position, but
I'm working on it.
	Oh, and one last thing.  Can anyone give me any information on the 
effectiveness and pros/cons on Robert Monroes Hemi-sync tapes?  All information
would be really appreciated, since I'm considering getting one or two.  Thanx
in advance.
					Helix
Internet=  mw2630@albnyvms.albany.edu
From: simmons@hal.COM (Wade Simmons)
Newsgroups: alt.bacchus
Subject: Chiantis
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:01:11 GMT
Organization: HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hitman.hal.com


The Chainti Classicos vin 1990's are really tastey..
I foubd the Selvapiani (watch my spelling) Chianti Ruffino
and the Isole de Oleini both excellent and worthy of a few years aging..

The Selvapiani was ~ 10$
The Isole de Oleini ~11$

I have also heard good things about the Remole Chianti but
havent found it yet.

Several wine magazines have flowered over the 90's Chiantis and many
are worth time taken to find them.....
Happy Hunting

WS
From: len@persephone.think.com (Leonard Franco)
Newsgroups: alt.bacchus
Subject: Re: Chiantis
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:25:42
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: simmons@hal.COM's message of 25 Jan 1993 20:01:11 GMT


Yes, I agree the 1990 Isole is super, and can do with a bit
of cellaring. I've also tasted the 1988 Villa Antinori Riserva,
it was very nice. I've also had the 1990 version of the Remole:
for a wine that's touted as much as this is I was rather
dissappointed. Sorry, my wine vocabulary isn't polished enough
yet to describe the flavors and bouquet in more sophisticated
terms. I'm still at the point where I have to say either I like
a wine or I don't, and mayber offer a few qualifers like "a lot"
or "a little". Bear with me, I'm learning.

Len
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