HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Help wanted from those with doing business expericnce between China and U.S.A.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:27:00 GMT

I have a relative who owns a business in China. He wants my help to get capital or market
oppertunities from U.S.. He said there are lot of state owned factories on sale back in China,
He wants to have a joint venture with those who has capital to buy one factory. 
If you have any experience in this area, please drop me couple of sentence to me with EMail:
  cshi@cs.ulowell.edu.
Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kmiller@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Kevin Miller)
Subject: Re: Q: foreigners bringing radios to PRC
Organization: U. of Illinois Urbana - Champaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.062515.14929@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr7.194114.16806@yang.earlham.edu> jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu writes:
> >Hello, If there is anyone out there who knows about Chinese regulations of 
> >foreigners bringing in unusual radios, (like ham and shortwave)  I wonder 
> >if you could inform me if the PRC allows foreigners to bring:
> >a) shortwave radios
> >b) VHF-LO, VHF, UHF scanning radio
> 

Shortwave radios are very common in China, and I have always brought one with
me with no problem.  You need to list them in the list of "valuable items" on a
customs form that you fill out on entry and departure, but that is to make sure 
that you don't leave them in China without paying tax on them.

I don't know about transmitters and other such devices - I looked in an old guide
book that discusses customs procedures, but it says nothing about radios at all.

I would recommend you get in touch with the PRC consulate.  In the Midwest, 
that's  -  312-346-0288

Consulate of the Peoples Republic of China
Suite 900 Monroe Building
104 S. Michigan
Chicago, IL 60603

Beware that a) the rules are very different for foreigners and Chinese (even "overseas
Chinese"), and b) whatever you hear there's still a fair chance that someone at the
airport in China will have different ideas about what the rules are.

-- Kevin Miller
University of Illinois at Urbana - Champaign
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Foreigner living in Chinese homes
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:58:39 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

U17375@uicvm.uic.edu (Ed Zawacki [Postmaster]) writes: 
> I am going to China in May-June with my mother-in-law to visit her father
> (my wife's grandfather). We are planning on staying in their home while
> we are there (in Harbin).
> 
> My mother-in-law is from Taiwan and I am caucasian. I just heard yesterday
> that that for me (in particular) to live in their home could cause them a
> problem with the police. Is this true? Even though we are related in some
> way?

  Legally, you have to register with the local police for your temporary 
residency (and might even get a card for it using nobody's blood :-) ), 
for any period of time longer than over night.    

  Now, it's up to the local police to determine if you are a CIA operative. :-)
So, if you have no proof that you are not, it could but not necessarily would
cause them a problem with the police.  And if you do have proof that you are 
not a CIA field officer, it still could but not necessarily would cause them 
a problem with the police.


dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:49:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pacific.3889

This is a test.
April 14, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: klg7058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ke  Liao)
Subject: please return this book
Summary: please return this book
Keywords: please return this book
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:36:46 GMT

For those people in University of Illoins at Urbana-Champaign:

	Please return this book to Asian Library:

	Huang Huo  by Pao-Mi

	call #: PL2892.A65H84X
	status:  missing from library

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yayi@suphys.su.OZ.AU
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Organization: SU.OZ.AU
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:05:29 GMT

In article <29EA4A87.3172@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>hao@slipknot.mit.edu (Cindy Hao) wrote:
>
>+
>+Perhaps.  So I think it's better to let them get their green cards and
>+stay in the US.  This way, they will do less damage to China.
>+
>+                                        --Cindy Hao
>
>i thought about this idea be4, but i don't think it will work. 
>the concerns are:
>
>	1) will they stay quiet in the US?

		That is life, isn't?
?
>	2) will they realize that they are not qualified to "fIgHT" for China's
>	   freedom infrastructure?
		
		No, they won't.  Couterrevolutionaries are always ploting to
		overthrow the iron power from both inside and outside, aren't
		they?

?
>	3) will they return what they owe to china?

		Why not, in any way what they want.

>	4) will they make sure:

>|-|/--     ----/  ___\___  __| |__    -----    --|--           ----
>|-|---|       |   |-+- +-   / |__      /|\    --------/      ----|----
>      |_\    \|   |/|\/|\   | |___\   / | \     \ |           ==|| |==
>  					       _\_|__            |
>						  /\            \|
		Who knows? Time changes everything.  How about you?

>shannon
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Going back China during summer season
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:16:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <kuphc4INNb34@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <5345@pdxgate.UUCP> wangs@chip.cs.pdx.edu () writes:
>>
>>I try to get a good price on the air ticket. I have  called
>>several travel agents.So far, the best price I can get is $970 plus $18 
>>tax for round trip for west coast of US and Shanghai. 
>>
>>Dose anybody has sources (travel agent or whatever) to get better deal?
>>
>I have looked into this subject for a while and found that the distance
>between US west coast to Shanghai, Hong Kong and Taipei, three air ways
>are not significant. The AD on Chinese newspaper shows that the air fare
>to Hong Kong and Taipei are the same, around 660 to 700 U$. But it is
>$950 to Shanghai and additional $50 to Beijing.
>
>In case in the high season, summer, the cost will be more than the above.
>But if people are willing to stop in Tokyo to change flight, it may be
>cheaper. I guess there is no other choice, go or nogo.

I went back to Shanghai from L.A. in Feb. by China Eastern. The price
was $785.00 non stop. But you got to pay cash or check 2 weeks in
advance. 

The agency is Minh Travel & Tours Inc. 412 W. Valley Blvd. San Gabriel,
CA. Tel: (818) 281-1088.

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From: ffeng@cs.tamu.edu (Fang Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: GIF files of 6.4 video (?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:28:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

I am wondering if anybody ever scanned 6.4 video into .gif files
and made it available by anonymous ftp. If anybody has them, or
know they exists some where, please let me know. Thanks.

--Fang
-- 
Texas A&M University             "You is the God of yourself."   
Department of Computer Science   "The back of a smile is often ugly."  
(409)847-8609                    "True help is action not words." 
internet: ffeng@cs.tamu.edu      "Dark won't be always."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Da3 Luo4 Shui3 Go3 Re: Flood Donation (Re: IFCSS NR3073:  IFCSS Summer W
From: haoc@riverheights.enet.dec.com (869883 Hao Chen-consultant)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:13:15 MDT
Reply-To: haoc@riverheights.enet.dec.com (869883 Hao Chen-consultant)
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr13.074612.17047@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
|> Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-3 14/03/90 VAX/VMS V5.4; site cc.usu.edu
|> Path: cc.usu.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu

|> In article <204813@unix.cis.pitt.edu> yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
|> (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> >I haven't heard any report of flood money from IFCSS. What is happening?
|> 
|> Ask the Beijing Lai Zi An Mong (Mong Gongzi :-) who tried to sue IFCSS,
|> ask him to tell SCC what deal he got with IFCSS, ask him how he was
|> fooled and pissed off :-)   
|> 
|> And, ask those handful SCCers who applauded the BJ LZ An Mong ... :-)
|> 
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> Bo Xiong in Chicago
|> 

   It is neither that An Mong and SCCers don't have enough motivation nor
they don't have the ability that they stopped the lawsuit. But the foundamental
idea behind this is to have the money returned to the victims ,and as the money
is returned (or being returning). There is no need for such an action anymore.
(We all agree that the IFCSS is already stink and smells like a toilet stone, do
we?).

   But as those "handful SCCers" raised this issue again , I see there is no
need for such mercy, so hold you breath , (as it stinks) , and give this
"lo4 shui3 go3" a final strike !






********************************************************************************
A flying bullet hit my heart, all of a sudden everything turns dark, oh my god !
********************************************************************************

_ Hao Chen.
From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Bark at those big guys if you have guts!
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:21:20 GMT


In article <29EBC5F0.9248@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
|> xjohn@oregon.uoregon.edu (X Johnson) wrote:
|> 
|> +established the new China, or the Korean war, the war against
|> +viet nam?  I think by the time the Viet Nam war was going on, you
|> +were old enough to be a soldier, did you apply to join the PLA
|> +then?  How many drops of blood did you shed?  If zero, then what
|> 
|> 	do you mean i have no rights/obligation to protect other
|> 	people's blood?
|> 
|> 	But, you are right, being an army man is the only missing 
|> 	part in my life.  but, i do have the single engine license, 
|> 	and will join the chinese air force when i get a chance.
|> 

     By barking at ordinary students ,  you are actually protecting
the really killer, and  you are also protecting those put millions
of public money into their own pockets.

     You have the chance to become an army man. You can buy an air
ticket and go straight back Beijing, join the air force. If you
are refused, I have connection and will give a back door key.

     Tell us when are you going to go.
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:40:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr14.044037.21592
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr13.222103.11684@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
<yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes: 
<
<>	Good statement!  In Jun 4 1989, TAM was a dangerous place, why did they
<>	go?
<
<They DID NOT expect they are going to be killed !!!

Chai Ling certainly did.  Why else would she suddenly flee after telling
everyone else to stay?

Does anyone have her address?  I'd like to send her a _man2tou_.  It seems to
be her favourite food, after all.

<Suppose you paid 15 thousand dollars a year for your kid to go to Yale,

You'd be getting a discount.  It's $25,000/yr....

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:46:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <13APR199222315025@vxcrna.cern.ch> yang@vsoph8.cern.ch writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.180829.16848@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, 
>
>  I think this has something to do with "culture", so I post:
>
>  Any decent Chinese woman will fell greatly insulted if she has been refered
>  to as "Sex Object (SO)".(if Bao Xiong@Chicago's explanation of SO as "Sex
>  Object" is correct)

SO is commonly used to refer to your (his/her) sweetheart. It is explained
as 'Significant Other, or anyway you like to explain'.  From the last part,
Bo Xiong is not totally off the line ;-)  Be watch out when he put lot of
smiley faces in post ;-)
  
All women and most men wouldn't want to be refered as sex object ;-)
If I am right, Joe is refering to his wife/girlfriend.

When I first came here, I was told by some of 'older' Chinese that it is normal
to see American man and woman share appartment but if two same sex share 
appartment, they are guy.  Now we know that is not true. American culture (if
there is one) is very diverse.  But still, most share the common values 
as Chinese in my opinion.

-- 
/* Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh PA.  412-624-0134
/* open your window and get something fresh */
From: zhangsh@indian.cps.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: zhangsh@indian.cps.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: zhangsh@indian.cps.msu.edu

In article <zhu.702872365@menaik> zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen) writes:
>
>First of all, I believe everybody should have right to choose where 
>he/she wants to live (or die).
>No political bullshit involved, if you
>think you can live a more comfortable life in the U.S., you should be
>granted something green to stay here, if you can't find a job, you 
>should get welfare if you have paid your tax. If you think you will 
>have easier life in China, you go back to China. 

With the $$$$$ you have earned here,  You will live an extremely 
comfortable life in China.  

>Immigration law is the
>first thing that against the original creed that says all men are 
>created equal. You are not created equal with Amerians, are you? 

Some Americans are inferior.  So what? 

>They don't need visa for going almost all countries, you need it for even 
>going to Hungary. America's human rights says all men are created equal
>if you are born here (well, not exactly).
>
>Secondly, Concerning UNCERTAINTY, I really don't see why you don't have 
>that in the States. At least, I am now living in deep UNCERTAINTY. Some
>people say it will open up 12000--14000 CS jobs in Canada by 1995. 
>Others say how come I don't find one. If you are talking that you would
>be mistreated by the third or fourth generation of kernel leaders in
>China, how do you explain Chinese people being beaten up in Vancouver 
>street. Besides, I do think China is no longer a country that used to
>be under Mao's rule, and Chinese people are no longer that ignorant 
>like they used to be. Even DXP has to admit, no reform, they will be 
>kicked out of the power. As I said,if you don't want to be a public 
>figure, just do your own research, who cares you like DXP or not.
>They are more worried about their stayng in power than you are worried 
>about your uncertainty.


Very much to the point!   

>
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Horne for Secretary General (Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:41:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.140212.27308@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
<In article <1992Apr14.043008.21493@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<>
<>You won't have to worry about that, Charles.  I'd never make a "good"
<>candidate.
<
<	Well then, if not the "good" party candidate,  how about 
<	entering as the "Bad-nasty-evil" party candidate?    ;^>

*Which* "`Bad-nasty-evil' party"?  We have two.  Take your pick.

What I meant, though, was that I'd never make an effective candidate
(if effective == getting elected).  Not in this nation of wilful ignorance,
at least.

					--Scott

-- 
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horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Re: Police Open Fire on Protest
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:49:10 GMT

Tingli Pan wrote:
========================
In article <69698@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
(deleted)
>
>By the way, what do you think about Lao Tze?
>
Sorry, what is Lao Tze.
========================

I bet you know. People pingyin differently. I used to call him  Dr. ME.

BTW, the news title "Police Open Fire on Protest" was changed into
something like: "Police Open Fire on Protestors" when a gentleman forwarded
it to a distrbution list. Any comments from my pro-TI friends on this
kind of tricks? That is one of reasons I am not convinced that these TI
fighters are really for the Tibetan people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.212854.18161@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

   Senate Immigration and Refugee Committee has passed a bill
   regarding Chinese nationals who came before 4/1/90. It allows
   the Chinese under President's executive order to have green
   card starting 7/1/93. The bill has been passed in the senate
   committee without objection. This bill was initiated by
   Democrat senate Kennedy.

   This bill will become effective if President Bush cannot
   provide evidence that these Chinese nationals will not be
   persecuted upon returning to their motherland.

   Chinese nationals who are eligible to apply green card must

   (1). In the United States since 4/1/90 and have stayed since then;
   (2). Have not stayed in China for more than 90 days during the time;
   (3). Must apply the greencard between 7/1/93-12/31/93.

   An estimated 40,000 to 80,000 people will benefit from this bill.

   CND: Please comfirm my news.

   Xiao Li

I have only one comment and one feeling about this move by Congress ..


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OO  OO UU  UU   TT   SS  SS   TT    AAAA   NNN  NN DD  DD II NNN  NN GG  GG
OO  OO UU  UU   TT    SS      TT   AA  AA  NNNN NN DD  DD II NNNN NN GG     
OO  OO UU  UU   TT      SS    TT   AAAAAA  NN NNNN DD  DD II NN NNNN GG GGG 
OO  OO UU  UU   TT   SS  SS   TT  AA    AA NN  NNN DD  DD II NN  NNN GG  GG
 OOOO   UUUU    TT    SSSS    TT  AA    AA NN   NN DDDDD  II NN   NN  GGGG


The jerkweeds on Capitol Hill finally did something both sensible and 
principled, for a change!  

And Kennedy was behind it .. my mind boggles.  Now I'll have to retire 
my Teddy Kennedy dart board.  :-)

IF Bush gets in the way of this, I will drop my intention of voting for 
him, hold my nose, and vote for Clinton in November!  

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From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Jialin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: one coner of my Beijing life (follow-up to "red card" discussion)
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:57:57 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

[Shannon Yeh's personal account deleted]

Shannon, just one question, how can you legally have a name
_Shannon Yeh_ ? 

Thanks!
From: srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:56:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <1992Apr12.151254.1770@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Antartica Archer(tm)) writes:
>
>    
>> 5. These "6.4 green cards" shall be called as "red cards" becasue they
>>    reflect 6.4. victims' blood.
>
>  I guess you're drunk, goddamn illogical. If those people did not apply
>for green card, would 6.4 victims regain their lives ? 
> 

 --> This may reflect the attitude of those who used the pretense of 6.4
victim's blood to seek a "red card" relentlessly, mercilessly, eagerly.

 
> 
>> 
>> 10. I myself came to the US before 6.4.  But don't forget my voice on 6.5 of
>>     1989.  "Don't cry for your Chinese coffins be4 the White House".
>> 
> 
>  What I see is some people scare to dead as seeing more and more people
>had got their green cards because they themself lose more and more
>oppotunities and face more and more competitors. Earlier migrant
>having hatred toward new migrant is very common, for human being or other
>animals.
>

  Comment:  Shannon Yeh doesn't have a "red card".
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr14.202913.15676@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>>>Before 1989 TAM, Shannon went back to Beijing and had a fight against
>>>CCP leaders at various levels.  Those leaders rendered personal
>>>persecution to him.  
>>
>>And he told us he had freedom of speech in China. What a disgrace liar
>>and backboneless ...
>
>The persecution/(his speech) was small.  One time persecution out of 
>100 speeches.

The "specch" in "freedom of speech" is not limited to verbal speech.
Anything that expresses a view counts, e.g. burning the flag, refuese
to attend the "political study", or strike. Well, let's not talk in
the dark. Why not tell what Shannon did then, if Shannon permits?
At least we can make a better judgement.

Hao