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From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: US/RUSSIAN EDUCATION
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:09:18 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <k2RoRB1w165w@halcyon.com>  mashina <novost@halcyon.com> writes:
>
> Someone talked about giving the following problem to a 5th
> grade teacher who missed it.  5+100^2 (pyat' plus 100 vo
> vtoroj stepeni)  Would a 5th grade russian teacher answer
> correctly

Definitely.


> and would all US 5th grade teachers answer
> correctly or should be make this comclusion on the reply of
> one person.

If you reread my original posting, you will notice that it was
not some teacher, it was a math teacher from the best school
in NJ.

Oleg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<1992Oct2.191233.16038@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<BvK9Lx.CG8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:01:55 GMT

In article <BvK9Lx.CG8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:

Mikhail S. Verbitsky writes:
   >BTW, the president of Byelorussia,
   >a physicist by profession, is the most pleasant person of all 
   >xSU republics presidents. As far as I know, he never attempted
   >to exploit nationalistic ideas, as others (including Yeltsyn)
   >did. 

I've got nothing against Byelorussian presindent, I just wanna
say that the president of Kazakhstan - Nazarbaev - is a pretty
good guy as well.  

As far as I know, he never claimed that "Kazakhstan dl'a kazahov"
or something like that. And he keeps telling that all the people,
living in the republic - Kazakhs, Russians, Germans, Ukrainians 
etc. have equal rights and all. BTW, it looks like Kazakhstan 
still is the most stable place in xSU.


If somebody knows anything more on the subject than I do -
please post a note here...


--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 13:03:57 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.13 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep30.200928.31408@watson.ibm.com>
galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_ writes:
>  How do you react to the posts written by ...
>  these ones, who don't know how to spell 'soul'.

In this particular case, I marry them.
O.V.
From: ins548h@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr M.S. Popkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Sending $'s to CIS
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:53:24 GMT
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Summary:How can I send money to CIS? 
Keywords: 



I live in Australia and would like to send some money to my 
grandparents in Moscow.They don't have a foreign currency account
(which, I was told by Russian Consulate, is needed to receive draft
cheques) and I was told they cannot open one themselves Is there any way         to send money to them. The matter is urgent, winter is not far away
  and there is not much they can buy for their old-age pension. 
  Mirek Popkowski.
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: zagadka
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:55:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

CHTO TON'SHE KOMARINOGO KHUIA?

OTVET BUDET OPUBLIKOVAN V VOSKRESEN'E SENT.27. 1992Z

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Subject: Re: Invitations?y
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:53:12 GMT


In article <66972@cup.portal.com>, DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>: >      Question being:  What do I have to do as an amer
> 	BTW, I saw on "Northern Exposure" a few weeks ago where a character
> said he was going to DRIVE to Russia through Alaska. Take a ferry to Siberia.
> Is this really possible now? I'd like to take a motorcycle trip to Alaska and
> then NovoSibirsk. (sp?)

Spelling is OK, but I guess it will be easier to take a ferry or cargo vessel 
to Siberia from the state of Washington (where they shoot the "Northern
Exposure") then from the real Alaska. Besides that, it will be a problem to
reach Novosobirsk from, say, Vladivostok by cycle. The Trans-Siberian highway
doesn't exist and only railway is available. At least, it used to be ...

> 	Maybe bring back a "Ural" BMW clone? Guess it wouldn't be possible to
> sell a Harley in Russia tho...
> 

I bet the real BMW against Ural: if you will succeed to bring Harley to Russia 
it will be stolen from you in two hours. Even if you'll chain it to your arm.

For these who are interested in less adventurous transportation I can suggest
regular Alaska Airways and Aeroflot flights to Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Moscow
(Aeroflot only, across the pole it's only nine hours) from Anchorage. The final
destination of the last flight is Sun Francisko. 

Welcome to Alaska!

Sergei
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: re: One God in Hinduism?
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 92 15:00:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct2.050356.25364@netcom.com>
  <1992Oct02.134616.28692@watson.ibm.com> <1992Oct3.090652.22269@netcom.com>

>>There is only one God.
>
>Hindus will dispute that.
>--
>Oleg Kiselev at home                    ...use the header to find the path
>
	Gandhi said there was only one God. I assume that he considered
himself a Hindu. He said that "God is Truth". He then also said that after
years of study he concluded that the obverse is true: "Truth is God".

==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
From: covdy@cronos.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Anekdot
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:04:58 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA  USA

Staryj, no moj ljubimyj:


- A pravda, chto Ivanov vyigral "Volgu" v loterejee?
- Da, pravda. Tol'ko ne Ivanov, a Rabinovich. I ne v loterejee, 
  a v poker. I ne "Volgu", a sto rublej. I ne vyigral, a proigral.

-- 
  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:32:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvD5EA.7AD.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1992Sep29.010923.2095@u.washington.edu>, nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
|> 
|> 	I'm a bit surprised by the discussion going on here about
|> the comparative virtues of American and Russian education...
|> 	I spent almost 3 years (Sept.'89-Apr.'92) at Moscow University,
|> at its infamous VMiK department...
|> It was more than easy to get straight A's not having attended a single
|> lecture. 

   While I was studying at Mat-Mech only 50% attended lectures regularly,
   and they usually got B or C. The other 50% had either A or D, it depended
   on their attitude to Math. It's a normal thing, if your level allows you
   to read books why should you go every day there and waste your time ?

   Speaking about lectures: it depends on how strong is the scientific 
   school in your particular high school. xSU was hardly strong in computer
   scince, there is no even a good translation of this area. 
   "Vyichislitel'naya tekhnika" isn't the same. For a long time Moscow
   University was very strong and famous in some areas of natural and
   humanic sciences. Probably, you was not lucky to join them in Moscow, 
   but did it at Brown.

   Probably, now the main problem in Russia is that student's level is
   decreasing faster than faculty's one. I have no idea how it will
   result even in the nearest future. Maybe someone tell ?

   Yury.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in the ex-Soviet Republics?
Summary: Help wanted for an English teaching job in the ex-Soviet republics.
Keywords: teach, English, Soviet
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:26:04 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in any of the ex-Soviet
republics (including the Baltic republics) in 1993.  I have a TEFL
(teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as well as experience
in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South Africa and,
ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or when I arrive
in Europe.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: One God in Hinduism?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:18:41 GMT
 6.28692@watson.ibm.com> <1992Oct3.090652.22269@netcom.com><67147@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Physicists for Poetry
In-reply-to: DeVoid@cup.portal.com's message of Sat,  3 Oct 92 15:00:41 PDT

In article <67147@cup.portal.com>, DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>There is only one God.
>
>Hindus will dispute that.
>
>> 	Gandhi said there was only one God. I assume that he considered
>> himself a Hindu. He said that "God is Truth". He then also said that after
>> years of study he concluded that the obverse is true: "Truth is God".

It is clear from your lame remark that you have no clue about 
Hinduism, Gandhi or G-d.
Shalom,
Zhenya Gorokhovsky
gorokho1@husc.harvard.edu

        Oh, my golly goodness!  Ramsey theory in soc.bi - whatever next?
        Rimming in sci.math?
                                - Kay Dekker, <idx009@cck.cov.ac.uk>
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:13:47 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Oct2.151959.11319@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:

>Somebody said he can't remember
>good Soviet movies except Tarkovsky's. Tastes differ, but I think this
>person is somewhat weak on memory. No offense, please.

Just curious. Could you list the top ten XSU movies?

>Secondly, a piece of advice for those who spend an hour in video store
>trying to choose movie to watch. I've got a book, where all movies are
>listed, briefly described, divided by kinds (comedy, drama etc) rated
>* to ***** and cross-referenced by names of directors and cast. If you
>pick movies rated above *** it proves to give better results than
>random search. I mean about 1 of 5-10 turns out good.

This is more like 1 out of 500-1000...

Also, this book is both a blessing and a curse. You finally find a movie that
you think you'll enjoy, then decide to check with the Home Movie Video Guide
or something like that before renting it...blam...*1/2. Start the next
round...


>And finally I have a question to experienced and knowledgeable of this
>group. Watching "Dances With Wolves" and especially "Driving Miss
>Daisy" I've got an impression that they got all those "Oscars" not for
>high quality of work (IMHO both are quite bad, except picture in
>"Wolves") but rather for "political correctness", so to speak. Am I
>right?

Absolutely. "Dances with Wolves" is PC garbage. Haven't seen "Driving Miss
Daisy", so I cannot comment on that.
Now, "Driving Over Miss Daisy" is another story...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:22:24 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."

In article <1acqnuINNgr4@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.141722.19999@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>
>>Poshel sobirat' biser. Poigraem, pobrosaem. :-)
>>
>Slushaj, umnik. Naskol'ko ja znaju, vezhlivost', vsegda byla priznakom
>intelligentnogo cheloveka v bol'shej stepeni, chem otsustvie grammaticheskih
>oshibok (a tem bolee opechatok, v russkom jasyke est' dlja etih ponjatji
>raznye slova, chtoby tam ne govorili uchitelja russkogo jazyka i primknuvshie k nim). To chto ty umeesh' napisat' bes oshibok "svinja" ili "poshel na huj"
>otnjud' ne delaet tebja intelligentom.
>
Spasibo za umnika. Pravda, spasibo.

Dlya nachala cennoe nabludenie:
Est' takaya narodnaya primeta, chto uroven' receptora opredelyaet 
vosprinyatoe v neizmerimo bol'shei stepeni, chem ob'ektivnoe 
soderzhanie soobsheniya. Neadekvatnoe soobshenie vosprinimaetsya 
soobrazno opytu i ozhidaniyam receptora.

Posemu ya reshil provesti ma-alen'kiy eksperimentik. :-)


Koroche, drugoi by uvidel ssylku na "igru v biser", kuda bolee 
yavstvenno vypirayuschuy is "biser, Poigraem".

Tak chto pozdravlyu - "opyat' vy v luzhu ugodivshi" :-)

Krome togo, zamet'te, drug moi, chto ni v odnom is moih soobshenii
ne bylo, net i ne budet vtorogo pripisyvaemogo mne 
obscheupotrebitel'nogo slovosochetaniya, ravno kak i ego analogov.

I poslednee - ya nigde i nikogda ne pretendoval na rol' intelligenta. Uvy,
povyvelis' davno.
Posemu pros'ba v bor'be s vetryanymi mel'nicami za mnoi ne gonyat'sya.
I naoborot.

Eshe voprosy?

:-)
>Yury
	-igor
From: vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: zagadka
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.145513.43371@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>  
voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu asks:
> CHTO TON'SHE KOMARINOGO KHUIA?

Otvechaju: STRUJA (iz vysheupomjanutogo predmeta).

---
Vadim S. Kaplunovsky, vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: UKRAINIANS - UKRAINTSI, HELP NEEDED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 03:09:49 GMT


	Does anybody know of any Ukrainian organizations, churches,
community leaders, simply - Ukrainian people living in California
who will be willing to help their compatriot who just arrived
in the States from Ternopol and finds himself in a critical situation?


	All information, help and advice will be deeply appreciated.
My phone at Stanford (415) 497-7816, you can leave a message on the voice-mail,
or send an e-mail. Thanks.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:55:28 GMT

DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:

>>Why, it is. Like "Ezhik v tumane" (Hedgehog in the Mist), "Skazka skazok"
>>(Tale of tales ?) or "Obratnaya storona luny" (Backside of the Moon).
>>
>>But, fortunately for art, there is a little difference
>>between art and state-of-the-art technology.
>>Guess, in what department is Beauty and the Beast?

>	I guess that Sov animations don't make it here. Never heard of
>any of those movies at least. Would be interesting to see them. Kind of
>surprised that you don't consider Disney stuff to have artistic merit.
>I agree that the technology doesn't make it "art". Beauty had enuf film
>sense along with the production values to make it a valuable film, in
>my opinion.

>==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com

David,

  at least in Champaign, local New Art (movie) Theatre shows best 
  cartoons from "Animation Festival" (or something like that). Usually
  they have one or two Russian animations.  For example, last time it
  was shown here, there was an animation which was based on the story
  of the Little Red Ridding Hood, which was interesting.

---Garik.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:11:06 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Oct2.114852.16013@husc3.harvard.edu>  verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct01.131712.105056@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>
>>The fact that you know some well-read people that can't spell does not
>>mean that on average lack of spelling skills is not a sign of not having
>>read adequate amount of literature. I would contend that in most cases,
>>it is a valid sign.
>
>This is (sort of) true inside of a single culture,
>but if you will judge the American education by the
>quality of spelling comparing with the Russian one,
>you'll get a wrong answer. The idea itself is ridiculous
>since Russian spelling is very easy comparing with
>English one.
>
>Misha.

All that means is that one should be more lenient to English misspellings
than to Russian ones, it does not mean there is no correlation between being
well-read and being a good speller.

Oleg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: RAID 7 Disk Array Platforms for Sverdlovsk Region
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 06 Oct 92 11:58:23 EST

Regarding interest in the Sverdlovsk Region about RAID 7 disk array
platforms, including joint ventures with universities and computer
companies, I would suggest that you contact that John Taylor at Storage
Computer since he is in charge.  His FAX is (603) 889 7232.  I don't
have any information on this myself.  -- Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com

Re: Moscow interest- This is the only News Group that I get here for Moscow
so please free to forward this on to perhaps more appropriate Moscow news
groups. Your advice and recommendations would be very much appreciated!
Many thanks.     ----------    Mike Willett

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September International VINES
User Meeting.  SCSI-based, they work equally well with NetWare, workstations,
IBM systems, VAXes, etc.  I found out that Storage Computer has just hired
a new International Vice President, John Taylor, who is in charge of their
Russia activities.  Maybe you would like to meet him when he is in Moscow.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.
The drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity this week at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Boston Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if
a drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for any system, their
key US contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical
Services at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.  John Taylor is at the
same telephone numbers.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Whose Price System's Screwed Up (was: Space Program...)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:39:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct3.173328.96491@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>Hi!
>
>Alex Goykman wrote:
>
>>    The Soviet pricing system was so screwed up that there were no
>>    way to estimate, much less calculate, the true cost of a product
>>    or service.  Nobody really knows if the satellite-launch system
>>    in question is the cheapest, as Peter claims, or the most expensive
>>    in the world.
>>
...
>When we speak about the military, state etc. expenses, the American
>pricing system is not less screwed up. How much do bolts cost?
>Most probably, several cents a dozen. But if these bolts are used in
>something military and classified, their price will be five bucks for
>one bolt or, perhaps, even more. Does this mean that bolts cost that
>much to manufacture?
...

    Yes, it does, because those bolts are designed to satisfy certain
    requirements that commercially-available brands do not.  Ditto
    for the proverbial $700-a-piece toilet seats capable of surviving
    a nuclear explosion that would fry an inhabitant of such a seat
    in no time.  My point is that in this country the cost of 
    making such a seat/bolt is calculable, whereas in the xUSSR 
    prices were established arbitrarily making it impossible to 
    estimate the true cost of a product.
...
>........................................ And wealth... In the Communist
>times most of the people never worked hard - there were no stimuli for
>hard work. And inefficient labor doesn't lead to prosperity...

    I do not believe that the average American works any harder than
    the average Sovok used to, and even if it does, the level of 
    participation in the labor force was so much higher in the SU,
    it could make up for the difference, and more.

    So much labor put into the Soviet economy yielding so little wealth 
    is an indicator that the cost of goods and services produced by 
    the system was sky-high, notwithstanding the low price tag.






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