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From: sdr57@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Medicine
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:36:27 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <3798@elwood.prz.tu-berlin.de> theo@tubprz.prz.tu-berlin.de (Teodor Pirkmayer) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I am posting the following article for a friend of mine.
>She is interested in Traditional Chinese Medicine (acupuncture, acupressure,
>moxibustion, qigong, etc...) and would like to learn more about these
>topics. She is looking for :
>
>- Literature ( english or german )
>- Training Centers and Courses ( in Germany, China, or other fareast countries).
>- Any other information about Traditional Chineses Medicine
>
>Please post email-answers to :
>
>theo@tubprz.prz.tu-berlin.de
>
>or papermail to :
>
>Helene Koeroesy
>Weigangufer 17
>1000 Berlin 44
>Germany
>
>Thank you in advance,
>
>Theo Pirkmayer
>
I'm not absolutely sure what your friend wants to know, but perhaps
the following may be helpful.

If she is interested in the history, the recent interest in "New Age"
metaphysics has produced a number of English language translations
of traditional Chinese texts. These can probably be found at libraries
using subject searches.

If she is interested in techniques, your friend might want to look
for the book "A Barefoot Doctor's Manual." This is an English translation
of a manual produced by the People's Republic of China for paramedical
personnel. It includes information on both modern and traditional
medicine, with a fairly extensive section on "new" acupuncture therapy.
The original translation was produced for the DHEW (an agency of the
U.S. government), and this is the one you should try to get, since it
is physically the largest and easiest to read. There were versions
reprinted by private publishers also.

There has also been a lot of research done on effectiveness of
traditional Chinese medicine (does acupuncture work on people
who don't expect it to work, or is it entirely a placebo effect,
and so on). I can send you some references on this, if it would
be of interest.

Finally, if she is interested in herbal medicine, there has been a great
surge of work in this area. Again, I can send you some references if this
would be helpful.
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Keep taking protein
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:06:00 GMT


          Lix writes:  take Protein for 5 generations.

          May I suggest to add fat and hot pepper into the diet?
          My understanding is that people used to feed chicken hot
          peppers to make them good fighting chicken.  They even put
          mustard in chicken's eyes to win the fight.  And as you all
          know, boxing has never been a strong item of China.  

          And I suggested fat based on Chairman Mao's instruction.  He
          used to eat Hong2 shao1 rou4 each time a big battle is done,
          saying it can "bu3 nao3."  So I strongly recommand it to
          scientists, and sportsmen working in areas such as chess
          and Go.

          My favorate is fish, which is kinda soft.  I guess it can be
          applied to sport items such as gymnestics.  I also would
          suggest eating dolphin for swimmers.

          To solve the height problem, I support the Shanghai friend's
          proposal, and suggest bamboo shoots for diet.

          In summary, to dominant the Olympic Game, the Chinese team
          needs to hire a 4chuan cook (Lix?), and a seafood diet.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forwarding -- No.6
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:57:28 GMT

This is not my article.
==============================================================

	Comments On FIM:  Who Are The Formosans?

As previously noted, the Formosans are those individuals 
who falsely call themselves Chinese or Taiwanese but have a 
secret or not so secret agenda: they would like to steal the 
Province of Taiwan from its rightful owner, namely China, as 
represented by the KMT, CCP, or any other national government 
that may enjoy worldwide recognition.

One of their foremost lobbying organizations is called the 
FAPA or Formosan Association of Public Affairs.  If there 
was ever any doubt that they should be called Formosans, it 
should be put to rest.  If there is any danger of confusing 
them with the Malayo-Polynesian aborigines on the Island, 
you should tell the FAPA.

In fact, the Formosans are unmistakably characterized by their 
aim, by their doctrines, by their racial theories, by their views 
about Japan, Korea, LiuQiu, and various parts of China, and by 
their use of pseudo-Chinese terms in their speech and nomenclature.  
Among East Asians, they are virtually unique in every one of 
these aspects.  

Ironically, instead of forging them into a viable national entity
capable of a peaceful and prosperous existence, these unusual 
characteristics now threaten to make the Formosans the Pariahs of 
East Asia, unwelcome to the Chinese-speaking world and shunned 
by their false "friends" and spiritual "relatives" abroad.  

In short, the Formosans are in danger of becoming the very first
casualties in the Chinese world's current inexorable march 
toward a position of economic and military strength.  They will 
then be characterized more by their fate than by any other trait.
Language habits and naming conventions can be discontinued,
attitudes may change, but whirlwinds will have been sown and
soon reapt.  When that happens, the Japanese will apologize to 
anyone's stipulations and with a great deal of sincerity, but, 
alas, the Formosans will then have only themselves to blame.
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:18:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.021028.3849@news.nd.edu>, ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:

|> I think Mr. Solinsky changed the subject to something else. Here I use his
|> logic to defend ALL THE CHINESE parents. I have to say that what I write 
|> below is not what I think, I only use his logic, see how things going.
|>  
|> There are about same number of criminals in prison in the US and China. So,
|> because China has roughly 4.5 times population than that of US, relatively,
|> the american have 4.5 times higher chance to be a rapist. This is the reason
|> they take HIV to Olympic. Any comment from Mr. Solinsky?

The United States has roughly 4.5 times the number of criminals per capita
than all of the other countries in the world. I forget where I saw the stats,
but it was sometime in the past couple of weeks and it wasn't even close. The
gap between the United States and the next nearest country is HUGE.

As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts since
I was addressed in a descent manner.) The biggest Holocaust of all time has been
the Chineese masacre of "enemies of the state". figures ranger from 45-100
million killed with the median at around 80M. Compared to this Stalin was a
petty thief and Hittler was the sort of fellow you'd like to have babysit for
your kids. Naturally, there are very few in prison. Everybody else is dead.
(Note that these figures only include people directly killed by the state and
to not include the cultural revolution or what ever you call that). In any
study of Holocausts, Communist China is always number one.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: hua@disuns2.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help wanted: J-1 to H-1 ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:10:56 GMT
Organization: EPFL

Hi, netters:
I have two questions regarding to visa types:
1) Does anyone know if there is such a thing that J-1 issued by some european countries does not have "two-year limitations" and thus can be changed to any
other status (F-1, H-1 etc).
2) Is it possible to apply H-1 from outside the States(in Europe).

You experience is appreciated.
thank you.

hua@disun20.epfl.ch
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:43:30 GMT


In <13600@mindlink.bc.ca>, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
writes,

>As we Chinese said, "once a student, be a student forever."

Did Chinese really say that? :-)  I thought Chinese said, "once
your teacher, forever your father." (Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1
Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4). So, for a person like Lix who was once a
professor, he likely has fathered many kids. :-)


****Confucius said, "Wen2 Dao4 You3 Xian1 Hou4, Shu4 Ye4 You3
Zhuan1 Gong1."
(Some people are learned before the others, and people can have
their specialties in different fields.)

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From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
    <1992Jul30.092546.16955@ecst.csuchico.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:08:30 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:

>Maybe you relaxed too early :-) Here's another gem from the bigoted clowns
>at the diving venue:

>"He is the most Westernized of all the Chinese divers, he laughs and smiles"

	After knowing a little more of GOD, I begin to have a dangerous
	question, dare to ask here. May GOD forgive me.

	I wonder what is the meaning that GOD created people of different
	races? Since Eastern people, especially Chinese did not beleice in
	GOD in their LONG history, is that the reason that they deserve
	all these punishment?

	Did GOD ever say "people are created equal"? If he didn't, dose he
	mean not equal? If GOD means that people should Westernized, he means
	it!

	May GOD forgive me, "GOD bless America".
	Amen!

God is only very subtle in making natural law -- not damn mean.
							-- Einstein

>As I sit here laughing and smiling at the sheer stupidity of this statement,
>I realized that I have become a white man :-).  If you too are a colored
>man or women, take a couple of these :-) :-) and call me in the morning.

>Regards,

>j n a.
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A Good Translation
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:16:56 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>           After years of searching, I finaly found the translation for
>           the american word "cool."
> 
>           It is Piao4 Liang4 as used by tu3 fei3.  Here is a situation

Well, your translation may be good, but mine is cool: 
	Shuang3 (Cantonese: Shong).
So, real cool is Zhen1 Shuang3. Isn't it cool?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: mikemo@bullwinkle.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: AL GORE WEARING A "6.4" T-SHIRT
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:57:48 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Jul30.192849.13629@midway.uchicago.edu> xc17@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In today's "Chicago Tribune", (maybe on other newspapers as well), there
>is a picture which shows that Democratic vice president candidate 
>Al Gore was jogging in Philidelphia, imitating Rocky, and wearing a T-shirt 
>which is designed by the Chinese students of university of Chicago 3
>years ago!  Our thanks to those who sent the T-shirt to Senator Gore.  

Is Senator Gore leads a group of senators and congressmem from Capital Hill to
the front sqare of PRC embassy, and declared that area as TAM memorail square
at 1989?

I wear my 6/4 T shirt (one man against a column of Tanks) when I was on vacation
in Hawaii, and Taiwan 1990, and I got a lot people come to me saying "they 
support the students always".

Mike Mo
British telecom
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From: cyeh@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Woody)
Subject: Re: <<Olive Tree>>
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:56:03 GMT

In article <14kbr7INN9kp@network.ucsd.edu> eric@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang) writes:
>The lyrics was written by San1 Mao2. Here's what I remembered:
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>           < Gan3 Lan3 Shu4 >
>
>Bu2 yao4 wen4 wo3 cong2 na3 li3 lai2,
>Wo3 de gu4 xiang1 zai4 yuan3 fang1,
>wei4 shen2 mo you2 lang4,
>you2 lang4 yuan3 fang1,
>you2 lang4...

>Wei4 le tian1 kong1 fei1 xiang2 de xiao3 niao3,
>Wei4 le shan1 jian1 qing1 liu2 de xiao3 xi1,
>Wei4 le kuan1 kuo4 de cao3 yuan2,
>you2 lang4 yuan3 fang1,
>you2 lang4...
>
>Hai2 you3, hai2 you3,
Wei4 lao men4 zhong1 di gan3 lan3 shu4, 
>Gan3 lan3 shu4.
>Bu2 yao4 wen4 wo3 cong2 na3 li3 lai2,
>Wo3 de gu4 xiang1 zai4 yuan3 fang1.
>Wei4 shen2 mo you2 lang4,
>Wei4 shen2 mo you2 lang4, 
>Yuan3 fang1 ?
>...
>Wei4 le wo3 meng4 zhong1 de,
>Gan3 lan3 shu4.
>
>However, I have to remind you, this is a Taiwanese pop song, originally from
>a movie. If you care to mention any pop song writter from China, there's at
>least one, Cui1 Jian4. Go with "Bu2 Zai4 Yan3 Shi4", "Yi1 Wu2 Suo3 You3",
>or for soft hits, "Hua1 Fang2 Gu1 Niang", and earlier, "Lang4 Zi3 Gui1".
>
>Can't think of anyone else, if you don't care about those sisy Taiwan or
>Hongkong followers .  Maybe someone of great Wen2 Cai3 from s.c.c could go
>home and write some decent pop songs some day, let's hope :-)
>
>-- Bo
>Y A N G ,   B O                      < e r i c @ s d p h u 1 . u c s d . e d u >

	Mr. Yang's memory is quite good. There are only 2 'mistakes'.
	I change a line, reverse those 'bird & stream' lines.
	Also, in the Taiwanese version (ie. the original), there are
	not those 'la la la' at the end.

	Finally, I would like to remind you, San1 Mao2 claims that this
	lyric is not written by her. It has been modified. In one of 
	San1 Mao2's book, she says 'That lyrics is not written by me.
	The credits are belong to Qi2 Yu4 and Li3 Tai4 Xian2, if this song
	is any good. I think it is not worth it to "lio2 lang4" because of
	birds and streams.'

	ps: I don't like San1 Mao2's books. I have read 7 of her books at
	least twice. I still consider her work is not much better than junk.

	pss: I subscribe this news group only to find some poems in dot matrix,
	so I junk all of those follow ups. If you would like to read your 
	follow up, please don't start your subject line with 'Re:'

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From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:26:10 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <199207230242.AA03814@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>According to J. Chen, Mao was not satisfied by this vague and evasive
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>report. Then CCP central committee had to send a special delegation
>to the JiangXi Soviet Region, (Xiang Yin is the Party secretary of the
>Region's Central Buearu and Mao was the Party secretary of the army,
>General Frontier Committee).

I never wrote anything about this incident because I do not have
much knowledge about it. Maybe, lix read this from other people's
articles. 

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Interview with Maoist in Peru
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:17:41 GMT

In article <9207301620.AA24340@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET  
writes:
> Available now, free by e-mail, excerpts from an interview
> with Comrade Gonzalo from the Sendero Luminoso.
> 
> Also, can someone tell me how to post to talk.politics.china
> if I don't have USENET? Thank you. Send msg. to
> science@mitvma.mit.edu
> 
> --Maoist Internationalist Movement


A friend of mine told me that he went to Peru several years ago and happened to  
meet the Maoist guerilla in the mountains. He nearly got killed. He said the  
Maoist people were simply crazy. 

It must be fun to read the interview with Gonzalo.

Frank
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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:22:47 GMT

In article <l6ulgcINNhpp@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>
>   The author must mean good and clean pools, matching international
>standard. How many pools you visited have 10 meter diving tower and
>hot shower?
Again, go read carefully and figure out yourself. The number has nothing
to do with quality of pools. By the way, how many such pools are there
in the US. Don't think China is worth nothing simply because She is now poorer.
Grow UP!


>
>>doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
>>universities, majority of whom should have a swimming pool just to 
>>support the phyisical education classes. Most cities have more than
>>5 swimming pools for public uses ( I know Lanzhou does and There are
>>more than 30 cities at the same level as Lanzhou).
>
>   Majority of them are 'urinal' pool, though some university do have
> good and clean swimming pool.
I can assure you although they look dirty, they don't have as many
AIDS virus.
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:15:34 GMT

    In article <liang.712357796@ash.cs.scarolina.edu> liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:
    >lb40+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liping Bu) writes:
    
    >From what I have read from Time, and some newspaper, heard from NBC, ABC, CNN,
    >it's very obvious that they are all in the same tone: defaming and defiguring 
    >Chinese at every event. No matter how well the athletes did in the competition,
    >they always find something bad about them. Look at this: Fu Mingxia, under
    >24 hours supervision, goes home only once a year, trained too early, too young; 
    >I am tired of this prejudiced nasty propaganda. 

Mark Purdy of San Jose Mercury wrote a feature column on Fu and his title is:
'A Child Without Childhood'.  The tone of his article was pretty negative too.

After 6/4, it is getting more and more difficult to find positive coverage on 
the American media on the achievement of Chinese people (unless those people are
doing something to oppose the Chinese government/communist or to promote
capitalism).  The American media seldom do a good job in reporting viewpoints from
other countries when they differ from that of the USA, and is especially poor
when it comes to Japan and China.  (The only exception is probably Israel, which has
the least problem in letting Amreicans know what she thinks).

-cw-
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From: onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw (H.Samual Wang (035)715131-4398)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses (Forwarding for a friend)
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:55:17 GMT

hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang) writes:
> In article <1992Jul15.013744.41556@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 	Maybe you are to some extend supportive of the so-called TI or
> whatever (which is doubtful, since you are such a China-hater).  Go to
> Hong Kong and see how many support the idea of HKI, and then go to
> Taiwan to see how many people in Taiwan support TI.  TI'ers always
> make loudest noise, but that in no way conceals the fact that they are
> only a very few.
> 

Sounds like you are from mainland China.  How much do you know about
Taiwan?  How do you know TI'ers are only a few?
> 
> >
> >         Don't be fooled by counter-revolutionary people! O.K.?
> >         Cultural revolution is a mistake made by a small group of
> >     people. All of them have been punished. Why should Chinese people
> >     rebel? Their government is always on the right track. Don't you
> >     think the cultural revolution is the best population control method
> >     their government has used?
> >
> 	Sigh, may God forgive thee, for thou do not know.  Any one who
> has the least heart as a human being would not make fun out of what
> other people suffered.  You think you are smart to joke about millions
> of innocent lives, to joke about tens of years of suffering?  To be
> polite, I say you have no soul, no heart; to be rude, I call you son
> of a bitch.

I think the statement that "Cultural revolution is a mistake made by a
small group of peopl" was not invented by the previous netter.  If you
want to call him "son of bitch", you might as well call your government
"son of bitch".
> 
> Huang He

Wang Hsu (Yes, I am from Taiwan)
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The "new" outlook on China
Summary: The Last of the Stalinists
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:33:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

It appears that the Olympics is the first time that many Chinese in the US
have been exposed to large doses of the new post-Tiananmen American perspective
on China: from being "our" Commies, China has become "the last of the
Stalinists".  And as the last of the Stalinists, China has to have a "sports
machine" befitting a totalitarian dictatorship, whose abuses will be discussed
at length.

The current coverage of Chinese athletes is essentially identical to the
coverage of Russian and other Eastern European athletes during the Cold War:
insinuations of steroid abuse, stories about being spirited off to remote
training camps far away from family and friends at a tender age, etc.  Many of
these are true, but the achievements of the individual athletes should
not be diminished.

China *does* have an Olympic sports machine, but so do many of the world's
countries - certainly all countries which do well in the Olympics have
national Olympic sports machines of one sort or another.

It seems bizarre that NBC's Olympic coverage is even more flag-waving than 
Olympic coverage was during the Cold War - one would think they would have
outgrown such nonsense.  In the US, it is to be expected that American athletes
will be featured over others, but the annoying comments by the announcers seem
to get out of hand.

I've often wondered if the Olympics should abandon national affiliations and
have the athletes compete as individuals - the ugly jingoism that oozes forth
at Olympic time is distracting and annoying, and doesn't seem to be relevant
to the high-minded goals of the Olympic movement.

The most annoying thing will be the politicians hoping to be seen with the
"winners" to cover up their failings: George Bush will be seen with Pablo
Morales at the White House Rose Garden, and Fu Mingxia and Zhuang Yong
will certainly have photo ops with Li Peng and his pals at the Zhongnanhai.

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