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From: VIJAYB@PK705VMG.VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: VARANASI : Holiest of the holy cities
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:52:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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    A fine article about a great city!!    It is my birthplace and I spent
    a memorable six years of my life here.  Ah! the sights and sounds and
    smells of Banaras (jiska ras bana rahe).....the mouth-watering samosas
    and pedhas of Madhur Jalpan.......the juicy rasagoolas of Ksheer Sagar
    .....the tranqulity of Saranth.......the divine atmosphere of Sankat
    Mochan, Vishwanath Mandir, Birla Mandir.......the exquisite showcases
    at Manas Mandir......the unique "gallis" of Dashashvamedh and
    Vishwershwarganj.......the splendour of BHU.......the breathtaking view
    of the ghats from the Malviya bridge......one could go on and on!


>   with the same name.  It is situated on the banks of river Ganga.  Another
>   river which passes through the city is Varuna. The city derives it's name

   The Varuna and Assi rivers pass thur' this city and, hence, the name.



Regards,

Vijay Balasubramanian
A "Banarasi Babu"
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From: vishal@sarang (Vishal Misra)
Subject: Re: New Cabinet List Reveals Shameless Pandering to Minorities! - soc.culture.indian #67745
Organization: Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:00:59 GMT

While I agree with your views about racist bullshit destroying the
country totally - I feel you should check the meaning of sarcasm again.
Or maybe I need to brush up my English.

											Vishal

p.s. After my family having escaped death last week ( Sword brandishing
"Hinduvatva" types  had entered my building ) - I have given up on
trying to convince people. I have changed my attitude. Nothing matters
to me anymore. I now believe SCI is the funniest newsgroup in the world.
Sometimes I think it is a spoof on newsgroups - the kind MAD would have
been proud of. The number of characters we have is incredible - so much
so that they have made even bandwidth a joke ( but I guess that is
consistent with my theory of SCI being a spoof). 
	
	hamhaste,
				Vishal
	..( a probable martian)
							

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From: sagar@ECE.Concordia.CA (Sagar Naik)
Subject: Re: ... when western science dwarfs the vedaas ....
Organization: Concordia University - Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:50:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.004321.11829@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>The big bossu on sci.math from MIT (john baez) writes:
>
>-+>suitable for intelligent life only at the low entropy end of the
>-+>universe's history.
>-+>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

Mr. "Rising Sun," did you want to tell the readers anything by
simply reposting someone's 130-line article and not including 
any of your "intelligent" comments? 

It would have been OK if I were reading it on a Sun (not you!) station.
But, please be considerate on us guys who read it from home using a
1200 bps modem. :-)

Sagar
 

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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Whether the BJP can Deliver
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:36:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan22.205335.10143@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes...

	I would like them to define secularism according to Hinduism and
	incorporate into our constituition. However, I would like them to
	scarp psuedo-secularism which India is currently following since
	independence. This psuedo-secularism is responsible for division
	of India and so much violence and killings.

	Secularism according to Hinduism means freedom of religions and
	tolerance for difference of opinion. It does not mean pampering
	minorities. It means justice based on qualities and strength. 
	It means equal opportunities for those cannot afford to compete.
	But, it does not mean dependence (in a parasitic sense) on the system.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: anshu@cs.utexas.edu (Anshuman Goyal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:02:43 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Muslims right now have problems with the followers
of all major religions in the world. In India they
fight with the hindus, In middle east and elsewhere
with the jews, in Bosnia,and parts of USSR with
the christians. Does it not suggest something wrong
with them
A thought
Anshuman
`

-- 
Anshuman Goyal
From: ssat+@andrew.cmu.edu (S. Raman Sankaranarayanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: need visa after expiry of F-1 / PT / EAD
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfNgkJS00Uh_44QlsG
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dear friends:
I have been in this country on student visa since 1986.  I submitted my
Ph.D. thesis in January 1992, and obtained F-1 Practical Training / EAD
in 1/92.  My PT authorization expired this week.  Also, my research
contract at Carnegie Mellon University (as post doc) expires this week.
 
I am currently looking for jobs and hope to attend a couple of
interviews in February.  i am told that I can stay here until 30 days
after expiry of my PT; or for 60 days, if I initiate some other visa
application.  Is there any way in which I can extend my PT permission,
or any other interim visa status that I can get into within the next 30
days?
 
Also, (a)  my wife is with me on F-2 dependent visa; can she stay beyond
the 30 day grace period, after expiry of my PT
(b)  I have also used pre graduation practical training of 12 months, in
3 segments, in 1988, 89, 90-91.  
(c)  I received my Master's and PhD in this country; does that make any
difference, in my favor?
(d)  I am not very concerned about getting a green card; looking for
just a couple of years experience in the industry
, in the U.S.; and I have a job offer in India.  
I will appreciate any suggestions to help me extend my stay here by 2-3 months.
Thank You very much.  
Raman Sankaranarayanan
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:30:54 GMT

	If Islam is to be blamed for trouble now,
	please say, who is to be blamed for trouble
	before Islam.
	
	Please also say:
	
		Why a Hindu brother kills a Hindu brother?
		Why a Hindu brother cheats a Hindu brother?
		Why a Hindu brother fights a Buddhist brother?
		....
		....
	Aren't we all to be blamed for what happens in the world?
	
	Islam [only] means surrender to God.
	If we all did this, rather than blaming each other,
	how could there be trouble?
	
---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph)
Subject: Re: THE LATEST
Organization: SDSU Computing Services
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:43:05 GMT

< Virendra Verma writes >
< Re: Kennedy killed by a Christian/ Hitler a Christian >

Just to let you know - being in the west and having a western name
does not imply being a christian - Hitler was not a christian, 
in fact in his war propoganda, Bibles were thrown into bon-fires.
As for Kennedy's killer - he didnt do a very Christian thing -
thou shalt not kill! - I am not sure if he was born a christian though.

I do not agree with the statement that propmted this from Verma, that
Gandhiji was killed by a Hindu - so what there are criminals everywhere,
doesnt mean that that's what Hinduism preaches though.

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an5266@anon.penet.fi (Eric)
Subject: just trying
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:21:13 GMT

testing folks


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From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:17:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

>	COSMIC EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>	ORIGIN OF LIFE IS SO CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ABOVE VERSE.
>	If you can read and understand the original (Sanskrit) verse of it,
>	you can enjoy the meaning of it.  The intution of those Vedic Rishis was



	Join in...Dr.B.
	And FFT, you can come back to sci.






Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Some of Rajeev Gowda's actual views on Ayodhya ...
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:20:52 GMT

(M.V.Rajeev Gowda) writes:
>
>Let me start with a quibble about the notion that the Babri Masjid
>was an UNUSED structure and therefore Muslims should have yielded
>it voluntarily to Hindus to satisfy majority sentiments (a view
>expressed by Satya Prabhakar, for example, in the strange company
>of the ever-valiant Alok Vijayvargia).  If my understanding of the
>history of this conflict is right, then:
>
I wish to restate my previous statements, lest this coloring of
my views should take hold and people view me as just another
right-wing bigot. I ain't!

I did not state that Muslims should have signed off rights to
the space to Hindus and declared, "Hindu Muslim Bhai Bhai."

What I said was that Muslims should have, in their own self-
interest, asked themselves the question: Would we the Muslims
be better off by choosing the path of conciliation or the path
of conflict?

After having worked in a corporation for 3 years (fresh out of
school), I have come to realize the need for "a pragmatic and
objective assessment of the situation and conciliation" many times. 
If I had always stuck to my point-of-view and said "I am operating 
within the framework and I know I am right" it would have been most
unproductive for me and for others. "Perception" is the word!

Though Muslims have been operating within the secular and legal frmework
of the Indian constitution, they have failed the "perception
test." Now, if Muslims say, "We don't care much for what Hindus think
of us, we will abide by our faith", then the conflict assumes
a different complexion. 

From what I see, conciliation and tolerance have not been the
strongest suits of fundamentalist Muslims. And the same is proving
true for Hindus now in India.

One may ingore the power of conciliation at his own peril.
That was what I said. Over to you, now!

Satya Prabhakar
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From: ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Who or what is India Alert?!?!?!?!
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:45:03 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


Could some kind soul give me (preferably over SCI) who or what is India
Alert. Can I join its mailing list etc.

Have heard and read so much about India Alert, these past few days that 
I am really curious and want to know more about this (in)(im)famous group!

regards
chandrasekhar
From: sn@ee.egr.duke.edu (S. Nandkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: QUERY on visiting India with F-1 Practical Training Status
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:03:14 GMT
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

Hi,

I tried India-faq for the following info. but could'nt find any,
so I would appreciate it if I could get some feedback about going to
India on a F-1 Practical training I-20 ? (my current F-1 Visa has
expired).

I would have to go to an US embassy in India with the Practical Training
permit, new I-20 from International advisor, and letter from department
or workplace, to ask for a re-entry visa into the US.
Is this a viable option or is the probability of rejection very high ?

I would appreciate some feedback from anyone who has gone thro' this
process successfully or otherwise.

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: muralp@jec317.its.rpi.edu (Muralidharan Pandheeradi)
Subject: Sending Flowers to Ahmedabad/Baroda
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:33:49 GMT

Hi, Does anyone reading this have  any experience of sending flowers 
to Ahmedabad/Baroda? I would like to know if there is an  inexpensive ,
reliable option. The minimum figure I came across is around $60. I would 
greatly appreciate any info. 

Please e-mail responses directly to me. Thanks a lot in advance. 
muralp@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: The Jewel In The Crown
Keywords: A&E
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:13:59 GMT


The Arts and Entertainment (A&E) network will show 
all (?) episodes of "The Jewel In The Crown" this 
sunday. It was shown on Doordharshan some years ago.

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anils@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Anil Srivastava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:40:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jasper.cs.orst.edu

In article <lm0o7jINN9mn@kalahari.cs.utexas.edu> anshu@cs.utexas.edu (Anshuman Goyal) writes:
>Muslims right now have problems with the followers
>of all major religions in the world. In India they
>fight with the hindus, In middle east and elsewhere
>with the jews, in Bosnia,and parts of USSR with
>the christians. Does it not suggest something wrong
>with them
>A thought
>Anshuman
>`
>
>-- 
>Anshuman Goyal
>

Maybe the reason is that it is the ONLY religion that is in contact with all
other major religions in the world.  Whenever two major religions have come
into close proximity it has been a recipe for trouble.  Just goes to show
that maybe Marx was correct after all.  

Anyway religion and politics is a like fire and water.  They just don't go
together.  Another reason why BJP needs to be booted out of india and not
Muslims as BJP would have us beleive.

Cheers from the beautiful pacific northwest.

-- 
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Grad(ual) Student in Computer Science *   (503) 737-3802  -  VOICE
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an5584@anon.penet.fi (Salman Rushdie)
Subject: *****WHAT IS THERE IN NAME????*****
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:08:03 GMT




Ouch!! Oops!!


What is there in name?

Satan or God?

Both are equally bad. Aren't they?

Wow!!


Love and Peace-
Rushdie
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From: CBSF20@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mateen Hussain)
Subject: Re: SHER
Organization: Motorola
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:34:30 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: farid@dso011.sch.ge.com (Farid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SHER
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:34:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Power Generation

In article <C16xI6.HCz@news.udel.edu> akash@brahms.udel.edu (Akash Sharma) write
>In article <1993Jan20.233241.10708@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> msrinath@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (M
>>
          WOH COPY KIS KAAM KI JIS KA COVER NA HO
          WOH LADKI KIS KAAM KI JIS KA LOVER NA HO

REGARDS,
MATEEN

>>        WOAH AAYA HAMARI KABRA PER, DEYA BUJHA KE CHAL DIYA
>>
>>        DEYA ME JO TEEL THA, SEER PE LAKA KE CHAL DIYA !!
>>
>>  Best Wishes
>>  -- Srinath
>	Very poetic!!  Kind of like:
>	DOOR SE DEKHA, LADKI BAAL SUKHAA RAHI THI
>	PAAS JAA KAR DEKHA, GAI POONCHH HILA RAHI THI!
>Akash.
>akash@ravel.udel.edu
>
>
>
 	one more ....

		bakri pahaD par chaD gai
		aur dusri taraf se niche utar gai ...


			keep adding gyus ..

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim Clashes in Bombay/Delhi -
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:22:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.041515.29524@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
> (Girish) writes:
>-+>(Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>-+>>[........]
>-+>>	   Many Hindus in Bombay resent the fact that the city allows its
>-+>>minority Muslim population to pray outside mosques on Fridays, and
>-+>>they are responding by praying in the streets themselves.
>-+>>[........]
>-+>    In Pune, the district administration decided last week not to allow
>-+>    Muslim prayers/Maha-Aaratis on roads/in public places. Similarly,
>-+>    in Nanded district of Maharashtra, the local authorities have asked
>-+>    the mullahs not to shout from the mosques.
>			^^^^^^^
>			^^^^^^^
>
>Shout ?  Its the call to the faithful.  Its not even loud recital of the
>quran, like the loud-speaker poojaas in hindu temples...
>
>What is the word for `the call to the faithful' ?

Azan.

>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>
Zafar



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From: lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825)
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:45:27 GMT

In article <11165@wrgate.wr.tek.com> t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal  
Kulkarni) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.160838.21789@crd.ge.com>, farid@dso011.sch.ge.com  
(Farid) writes:
 
> You don't agree, because you are an NRI only records sake and back home  
>in India, you're possibly an NRP (Non Resident Pakistani) ! **SHAME ON  
>YOU ***

Better than being a resident A$$#0LE, wouldn't you say?

Amitabha

> ====Gopal

--
Amitabha Lahiri, e-mail:lahiri@pion.lanl.gov
Disclaimer: No one else is responsible for what I say, and vice versa.
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tagore on RJB
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:36:51 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu


From Lipika

The Court Jester

The king of Kanchi set out to conquer Karnatak. He was the victor. As war
booty his elephants were loaded with sandalwood, ivory, gold and precious
stones.
	On his way home he sacrificed hundreds of animals in the temple of
Baleyshwari, whose steps were red with their blood.
	After offering his Pujah, the king is returning -- his body robed
in crimson, his neck garlanded with Jaba flowers, his forehead adorned
with sandalwood Tilak.  He is accompanied only by his Prime Minister and
his Court Jester.

At a mango grove along the way, he saw children playing. The king said:
'Let me go and see what they are playing."
Arranging dolls in two files the children were playing at war.
The king asked : "Who is fighting with whom?"
The children replied: "The Karnat against Kanchi."
The king asked: "Who is the victor, who the defeated?"
Proudly the children said: "Victory to the Karnat defeat to the Kanchi."
The face of the Prime Minister turned grave, the king's eyes were red
with anger, while the Court Jester guffawed.

The children were still at their play when the king returned with his troops.
The king ordered: "Tie the children, one by one, against a tree and cane them."
	The parents came running from the village and begged: "They are
innocent, they were only playing, please forgive them."
	The king called his Commander in Chief and said:
"I will give this village a lesson, so that they will never forget the king
of Kanchi."
	Saying this he returned to his fort.
In the evening the Connander-in-Chief appeared before the king. Saluting him,
he said:
	"O king! The villagers have all been killed, and only the foxes and
dogs are left."
The Prime Minister said: "The honour of the king has been saved."
The Court Priest said: "The Lord of the Universe is our king's ally."
The Court Jester said:"O king, please give me leave to go."
The king asked: 'Why?'
The Court Jester replied: "I can neither kill nor slay. By the grace of God
I can only laugh.  If I continue living in His Majesty's court, my laughter
will forsake me."

Love
Arindam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Subject: Re: Allegations against FFT and Vijay's po
Reply-To: venu@cirrus.com
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:54:47 GMT

In article 2484@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:

>A  scrupuless ;-) member, tragically a victim of this communicable ;-) 
                            ^^^^^^
hmmm. personal aspects, huh?
---
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From: jit@eng.sun.com (Satyajit Nath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Assam and RJB - strange connections !
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:56:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vidura

In article 46680@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu () writes:
[stuff deleted]
>      On a more lighter (?) tone, I have heard from my ONGC friends that
>      Assamese girls find the Assamese males sexually unattractive, and, thus
>      mating/ dating with Assamese women by the cultured Bengali folk in the
>      plains of Assam is a nightmare and a symbol of hatred for Assamese males.
>      (Too bad I did not go for Chemical Engg. at JU - otherwise I would have
>      had my share too 8-)). Therefore this sexual rejection from the Assamese
>      women, who favor Bengali males, acts a historic insult for Assamese 
>      men, and, they vent their anger and frustration by supporting the stupid
>      fanatic and mindlessly violent ULFA and other sub-terrorist group(s).

D. Chatterjee,

It really saddens me to see that you stoop to levels which are
unimaginable even for the most uncultured Assamese. On top, you
try to pass it off as an attempt at humor! There are other newsgroups
which you would find more suitable to express your opinions/slander
about some race's libido or lack thereof.

I sincerely hope that you will learn to stop doing this.  I have many
friends who happen to be Bengali and have also spent quite some
time in Bengal. Never have I faced or seen this level of depravity.
Don't do this.  This kind of race-bashing does not befit an Indian.

As for the *real* problems that face our two communities, (and believe
me, there are some) we can surely find civilized ways to discuss them.

This is my only comment on this discussion.
Please do not bother to respond.

Satyajit

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