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From: kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Prince & Graphtech
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:29:08 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <65439@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4650c@prism.gatech.EDU (ANDERSON,TIMOTHY
ROY) writes:
>Thanks to everyone that responded to my inquiries about the Prince
>phone number and the renaming of the long discontinued Prince Graphtech
>DB 110.
>
>I ended up calling Prince and they confirmed that the Prince Graphtech
>DB 110 is exactly the same racquet as the Graphtech DB Oversize.  
>
>I got my DB Oversize last week as a backup for my DB 110.  As Charles
>Lin commented, Holabird seems to be THE place for racquet selection but
>even Holabird was running low on the Graphtech's.  They have it for $95
>but no 4 3/8 size grip model.  One person wrote to tell me that Service
>Merchandise in Burlington Massachusetts has Graphtech's in stock for $90.
>
>Yesterday I played with my "new" Graphtech and it feels very different
>from my old one.  The difference might just be in the stringing  though
>since I tried Endurance on my old racquet and it feels wrong for me.  
>
>I was wondering how long the frames last?  Have people noticed racquets
>wearing out?  If so, I'm curious how this occurs in today's graphite 
>racquets (a question for you material science people out there)?
>
>Also, I've heard that it's a good idea to cut the strings in a racquet
>to relieve the tension once you get a break.  Is there a significant 
>risk of warping the frame if you don't do it?  I wonder how much of a
>warp it takes to affect play.
>
>Thanks again for all the help,
>
>Tim Anderson
>
>
>-- 
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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      Rackets do wear out.  The material of the  rackets get "loose" as the
racket gets old.  So you will feel a difference between two of the same
rackets, by age.  That is why I only buy two of the same racket I  use, and
then after a while, buy another two, and trash the older two.  That is one way
that I feel works the best.   Of course this is only my theory
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: How many touring pros are using wide body racquets?
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:57:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug21.125747.31858
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In article <1992Aug19.184417.15574@cs.ucla.edu> page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page) writes:
>you change the rules about the engines.  Tennis is a human powered sport.  The
>racket does not impart any energy to the ball that one human or the other did   
>not impart to it.   All the racket does is take away energy.  The new rackets 
>transfer more of the energy you apply to them to the ball.  How could that be bad?

Well this is not quite true. The racquet does a lot of the work and tranfers
more power than you can generate. There are quite a few racquets on the market
that allow players to generate a tremendous amount of power. My point is that,
these players are not upsetting the balance of the game. On any one day, one
of these players can get hot and destroy a seeded player as well as a seeded
player having a bad day and destroying himself.

The power players in the top ten have become power players by becoming
better athletes. The widebody market was created with the club player in
mind, who could use the extra power. The problem that I have is that they're
forcing everyone to use widebodies and I, for one, don't want one!
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:46:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.044759.16651@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.232427.5202@morrow.stanford.edu>, AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes:
>> mmmirash@bearcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
>> >   Serve:  Most dangerous -- Boris Becker
>> >           Most versatile -- Boris Becker
>> >   Best volleys  : Boris Becker
>> >   Best forehand : Boris Becker
>> >   Best backhand : Boris Becker
>> >   Best lobber   : Boris Becker
>> >   Best overhead : Boris Becker
>> >   Best drop shot: Boris Becker
>> >   Best drop volley: Boris Becker
>> >   Fastest mover : Boris Becker
>> >   Best return of serve : Boris Becker
>> 
>> Okay...now, who do you think is best all-around?
>> ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
>   Why, Miloslav Mecir, of course.
>;-) ;-) ;-)

Then why doesn't the best all-around player win every single
tournament he plays? Must be bad luck.  8-) 8-)

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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:31:37 GMT

clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

>Let's try to keep it to current tennis.

Charles, just how is Chris Evert "current tennis"?

>Among the men ---

>   Best backhand  Ivan Lendl  (maybe Sampras, haven't seen him lately)

> Backhand was a tough choice.  It's hard to
>name the great backhands of today.   Edberg might seem
>like a good choice, but he's really more of a volleyer,

The most recent Tennis Magazine stroke analysis chose Edberg's
backhand as the clear winner. "More of a volleyer"? Huh? What
does a preference for serve-and-volley have to do with stroke
analysis?

>   With lobbing, well, not too many people lob.  Chang's
>15 or so lobs against McEnroe in last year's Open 
>convinced me he's the best.

Actually, I'm always amazed at how well and how consistently
the pros lob, especially defensively. Chang and Mac are excellent,
but Connors offensive lobs, particularly off the backhand, are
the best I've seen.

-- Larry
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: How many touring pros are using wide body racquets?
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:41:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug17.153403.29412@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes:
>palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman) writes:
>>
>>Martina Navratilova, Monica Seles, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Jennifer
>>Capriati are the only women using widebodies and winning. Then again,
>>they would be winning without them. Michael Stich is probably the only
>>top male using a widebody and a thin one at that.
>
>So why the running controversy about power rackets ruining tennis?

I won't open the "ruining tennis" can of worm in this article,
but the new power racquets are clearly influencing who gets into
the top, on both the men's and women's sides. I discussed this
topic with a friend recently; some of the points below came from
that discussion.

Among the women, the highest ranked teenagers are Seles, Capriati,
Huber and Pierce. All are "power" players with two-handed backhands.
Frequently, they just pound the ball as hard as they can in every
stroke with little strategy. 

On the men's side, those who enter the top-16 or so in the past year
or two include Courier, Sampras, Ivanisevic, Stich, Ferreira, Krajicek,
and Forget. Again, they are power players with a huge serve. There
are a few exceptions such as Korda. But they are far outnumbered
by the "power" players.

The influence of power racquets is clearly there. Touch players
such as Martina and Mac may be a thing of the past. Whether this
new trend is "good" for tennis or not is another issue.
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:01:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Aug13.154346.26441@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> adusumel@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Nagendra Adusumelli) writes:
>>>
>>>   Serve:  Most dangerous -- Boris Becker
>>>           Most versatile -- Boris Becker
>>>   Best volleys  : Boris Becker
>>>   Best forehand : Boris Becker
>>>   Best backhand : Boris Becker
>>>   Best lobber   : Boris Becker
>>>   Best overhead : Boris Becker
>>>   Best drop shot: Boris Becker
>>>   Best drop volley: Boris Becker
>>>   Fastest mover : Boris Becker
>>>   Best return of serve : Boris Becker
>>
>>Okay...now, who do you think is best all-around?
>
>Boris Becker of course!

Okay...now, just for fun, who do you think is best all-around
red-headed, German, underground leader of a bizarre net cult?


					...from a Diehard Becker fan ... NOT!


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Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 07:46:32 CDT
From: <U58476@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: GETTING READY FOR U.S. OPEN***

prakash@cs.mcgill.ca(Prakash Panangaden) writes:

>Yes she was officially entered in the Canadian Open.  She claimed that
>she had tendinitis and could not play and the organizers had to pay big
>bucks to get Monica Seles to play here instead.  She (Steffi) reportedly
>also said that if Monica could not be persuaded to play that she would
>show up.  I must say that I am quite disappointed to hear that she is
>actually practicing hard and thus clearly not as injured as she claimed.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My sympathies to those who hoped to see Steffi in Montreal.  It's difficult
for some of us in the States to know what's going on since the media hasn't
said much, if anything.  But as you say, if Steffi said that she would play
if Monica refused, then surely she didn't claim to be THAT injured.   If she
really developed some degree of tendinitis, it does not seem surprising
considering she had problems with that shoulder last year, & also that she
played too many matches from Hamburg in early May through Barcelona.  I
certainly don't know what's up with her, but as a chronic sufferer of
tendinitis myself, I know tendon flare-ups can happen (at least for me)
anytime with variable duration (hours, days, week, etc).  So in my eyes, it
is entirely possible that Steffi had a slight problem last week that she
obviously doesn't have now.  If this is the case, then I don't see anything
strange.  Don't know, just a theory.  Now if there never was any tendinitis,
then I too might be upset. :-( (not that I want her to be afflicted :-).  I
just wouldn't want to hear that she made up an excuse or something)

Natasha
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From: cris@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cristopher Myers Niell)
Subject: Re: Racket thrasher needs help!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec.sport.tennis
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:31:05 GMT

In article <CSCOMP.92Aug18194056@rabbit.inesc.pt> cscomp@rabbit.inesc.pt (Area do CSC) writes:
>
>     What can I do to control my temper and stay focused on the game 
>        after a BAD BAD error ?
>
>  
>     furthermore are there any books on: tennis strategy
>                                         concentration
>                                         mental game     ??

 Try "The Inner Game of Tennis" by Tim Gallway. It's an
excellent bbok on the mental game. It helped me a lot with
concentrating on my shots rather than letting my mind wander.
It sounds like it would help you,too.
					Cris
From: welty@buphyd.bu.edu (Daniel Welty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: strings
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:51:30 GMT

Gene Huang asks about gauge in article 4806.

In response:
                higher gauge means thinner string (more spin)
                lower gauge means thicker string (more enduring)

     Most players use 16 gauge, not to mention that most string is made
in 16 gauge.  15 and 17 gauge are quite popular too.

     15 gauge is used by players who want a longer string life, therefore
stringing their racquet less often.

     There is a Thunderblend string by Prince (I use it).  It consists of
Endurance (15) strings horizontal, and Premiere (16) strings vertical.
I find it quite good for the price and quality.

     Hope that answers the question.

-Dan
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Boris Can Entertain
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:15:35 GMT


From  smuench@ira.uka.de (Stefan)

>What about Boris Becker? IMHO he is, like Andre Agassi,
>one of those players who are not only playing a tennis
>match but are performing a show - of course, not in each
>match. And I think it's the same thing for him as for
>McEnroe or Connors: It doesn't matter if you like him or
>not, but it's often interesting to watch him play.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Positive.  As  John  Madden  (CBS  commentator,  former  NFL
coach)  would  say, "now there's a real player, that one who
makes his uniform dirty even without the ball....".

Well,  Boris  will  dive  for  the  ball,  attempt  for  the
impossible, and he'll please the crowd.

Blood and guts, in tennis, that's Boris.

                                            -TEG
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From: prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash Panangaden)
Subject: Canadian Open (Matinee' Intl.) Report
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:37:49 GMT

Well I just spent a day at the Matine'e international in here in Montreal
and I thought I would give a brief report.  I assume that results are
widely available so I won't post them.  The matches I saw were in the
second round singles and first round doubles.  I also got to watch Patty
Fendick and Natalia Zvereva practice (not with each other).  

The best match I saw was Zvereva versus qualifier Jennifer Santrock.
Since this was on an outside court I got to sit right up front with about
100 other people.  Zvereva is good but erratic and, in my opinion, not
serious about being a real champion.  She could be a top five player but in
practice it was clear that she was playing for fun.  Perhaps she would have
been more serious if she had been facing a top player next.  Santrock is a
lefty with a good serve and a decent volley.  Unfortunately, she does not
have the consistency to be a top player.  Nevertheless they played some
exciting rallies with Zvereva showing flashes of brilliance.  I predict
Mary Jo (whom she faces next) will send her packing.  Mary Jo seemed able
to dominate Paradis (French) easily.  Paradis tried to srve and volley but
Mary Jo looked like she was not even sweating.  The best tennis I saw was
played by Arantxa Sanchez Vicario.  She can really smack the ball but only 
does so when she deems the moment ripe, not like Seles or Capriati.  
Once again this was a one sided match.  Patricia Hy beat a tiny but game 
Rika Hiraki while Kelesi lost to Tauziat easily.  I guess Kelesi looked 
like she is still rusty.  The doubles matches were much more fun.  I really
wish they showed more on TV.  Superb volleying, really quick exchanges and
nifty changes of pace and direction.  I saw Brenda Schultz (Neth) and 
Judith Wiesner (Austria) upset Barbara Rittner (Ger) and K. Maleeva.
Schultz has a fantastic serve and a great volley but she canot move quickly
enough to be a great singles player.

Any ideas why so many serve and volley players exist at the 100 to 300
ranking level and so few of tehm become top stars?

Will report from the finals and semis.

Prakash

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From: cris@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cristopher Myers Niell)
Subject: The hazards of tennis
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:03:18 GMT

Hi !!
    A few days ago, I woke up to discover a pain in
my wrist. It's on the outside of the fore-arm, about an
half-inch below the knobby part of the wrist. It doesn't
bother me in normal movement, only when I rotate my hand,
(like the action in opening a door.) And if I rotate it
like this, I hear a clicking, like a cracking-knuckles
sound.
   I don't remember doing anything specific to injure it
(i.e. banging it against something), although I play tennis
often, and spent the day before practicing my serve for
several hours. Has anyone else out there experienced this? 
Is it a common tennis injury? I'm hoping it heals soon,
because on these sunny days it's awful not to be playing
tennis!
				Thanks !!
				   Cris
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Connors says young guys don't cut it
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:37:29 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I was flipping through channels last night when I got to ESPN and saw them
interviewing Jimmy Connors.  This would have been around 6:20 pm (central).  I
did not watch the whole interview, but Jimmy basically said that people like
guys like he and McEnroe because they have "style", while the young players of
today do not.

(rough quote) "You have a guy like Michael Chang who goes out there and gives
you 110% every time he plays, but he's too reserved."

He also noted that after McEnroe dropped out of the Australian Open, you didn't
hear anything about the Australian Open any more.  His point seemed to be that
he and Mac were "carrying the game of tennis".  

The interviewer asked if any of the young players had "style".  He pointed to
Agassi, of whom he said, "he's had style since the beginning.  He just wasn't
winning big tournaments.  Maybe now that he's won Wimbledon, he can carry
tennis."  Connors seemed to feel that the fans liked to see he and McEnroe out
there carrying on.

I wish I had caught the whole thing, but having come into the middle of it, and
not wanting to miss Bullwinkle on Nickelodeon, I passed it by.

Did anyone else see this?  Either way, what do the rest of you think?

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From: prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash Panangaden)
Subject: Re: Weekend Results
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:34:05 GMT

In article <l8v6dtINN5jq@news.bbn.com> adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>  * The women are playing this week in Montreal (Canadian Open)
>    where I think the top 2 seeds are Seles and Graf (I'm going!!)

Alas sorry to disappoint you.  Seles is (supposed to) be here but
Graf claims to have a shoulder injury, Capriati feels that she would
rather play in San Diego and Martina is too "tired" after playing Team
Tennis all summer.  Two Maleevas and Arantxa are also supposed to be here. 

I saw 6 matches in the qualifying round on saturday.  I had never before 
seen women's tennis live and I must say I was really impressed!  The 
qualifiers are clearly not as good as the top players but there were
some very exciting matches and a lot more volleying than I normally see.
Also I am convinced that while the number 750 ranked male tennis player
would crush Seles or Graf one of the qualifiers (say Ann Henricksson or
Liz Smylie) would crush 97% of the male readers of rst.  [Meaningless
opinion of the year!]  In any case many rallies that look boring on TV 
looked wonderful live.  I can't wait to see the second round and the
semis and the finals.  Of course I won't be sitting in the front row!

Cheers
Prakash
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Do STRINGING PATTERNS affect performance?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:09:43 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park


   As I am thinking this may bounce, I will post this to Filaman.

   Given that you and some other stringer use the same
machine, how might the two of you string the same racquet
at the same tension with different actual tensions?  I'm
a little puzzled.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:24:27 GMT

mmmirash@bearcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
>
>   Serve:  Most dangerous -- Boris Becker
>           Most versatile -- Boris Becker
>   Best volleys  : Boris Becker
>   Best forehand : Boris Becker
>   Best backhand : Boris Becker
>   Best lobber   : Boris Becker
>   Best overhead : Boris Becker
>   Best drop shot: Boris Becker
>   Best drop volley: Boris Becker
>   Fastest mover : Boris Becker
>   Best return of serve : Boris Becker


Okay...now, who do you think is best all-around?

;-) ;-) ;-)
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Longest rally?
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:03:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <15AUG199215012532@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu writes:
>I just finished reading "The Goddess and The American Girl" by Larry Engelmann
>(1988).  It's a biographical book of the exploits of Suzanne Lenglen and Helen
>Wills in the 20s and 30s.  I found it quite interesting.
>
>Towards the end of the book, I read something incredible:  Helen Wills was once
>practising with Howard Kinsey, and they started a rally which seemed to go on
>forever.  Someone at the net started counting, and by the time the rally was
>finally over, they had recorded 2001 strokes over a period of 80 minutes! 
>Kinsey finally had to stop the rally because he had a class to teach.  Wills
>commented later that after about an hour, her eyes started hurting from
>concentrating on the ball for so long!
>
>Granted, this was only practise (on the other hand, Wills was world-renowned as
>THE hardest hitting woman of her time; in fact, she was practising with Kinsey,
>a professional, only because she couldn't find any women players who could give
>her much of a challenge), but the statistic got me interested enough to want to
>know:  does anyone know the record for the longest rally in a "real" match?


Given the pretext to this article, I assume you mean longest rally
in terms of how often the ball passed over the net.  Of course, a
rally may be measured according to time.  I guess this should also
be considered when answering this question....




Tom Marvan.





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