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From: mcg@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: DragASprite proper use.y
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:40:58 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <20020@acorn.co.uk>, DWallin@acorn.co.uk (Dick Wallin) writes:
> In article <lfevaoINN4vd@cronkite> andyf@yama.uk.sun.com (Andrew Fox - Sun UK - Answer centre) writes:

> Incidentally the reason for this was that our user base seems to find the
> solid drag obscures where they wish to drop the icon.
> 
> Dick Wallin

What a load of coblers!

If anything, the *very* thin (blue) outline boarder is extremely hard to see 
(unless one places one's face within 10cm of the screen), and I personally find 
that when I've got the screen covered in windows (Ro3), it's kinda hard to tell 
which flaming window I dropped the beggar into!
 

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From: thughes@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Tom Hughes)
Subject: Re: Using BJ10ex with RISCOS3.1
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:08:54 GMT

In article <COXJP.92Nov5142349@beluga.cs.man.ac.uk> coxjp@cs.man.ac.uk (Jonathan Cox) writes:
>Turbo Driver.  Highly unofficial though.  In view of CC's enlightend upgrade
>policy, existing owners will no doubt be offered a fair upgrade deal.

The 'enlightened upgrade policy' may, I fear, be changing slightly.
According to the November issue of Archive which I received yesterday,
Impression 2.18 (which supports rendering of Artworks files) will only
be free to owners of Artworks. Others will have to pay a small (?) fee
of around ten pounds (this price is not definate).

The suggestion is that such a policy might be more the norm in future.

Tom.

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From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Subject: Copyright on Games Passwords
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:56:48 GMT

The Krysalis game 'Oh No! More Lemmings' contains a warning that the passwords
in the game are copyright, and may not be published without the prior written
permission of the publishers.

Would this stand up in court? Is it a good thing? For whom?

Simon
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From: cs89jmb@brunel.ac.uk (Aeon Flux)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: widgeapp from newcastle
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:21:15 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

pdenize@waikato.ac.nz wrote:
: Since installing widgeapp I have noticed that my Archimedes hangs after some
: filer operations.
: 
: Has anyone else noticed this?
: 
: I tried to trace the cause of the problem last night but nothing turned up.
: 
: Paul Denize

Yup,

Whenever I use WidgeApp I get machine hangs too!
Typically when I try doing 'filer count' operations

I've been speaking to someone else regarding this problem and it seems that
the most probable cause is the 3D templates (the main reason I use it for!)

Therefore, don't use the 3D templates and all will be ok (probably)

You don't have a SCSI drive by the way?
I understand someone else got it to work on an A5000 with IDE drive (err,
ADFS actually).


Truly bizarre,

Jayce.

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Jason "Archangel" Banham               Internet: cs89jmb@brunel.ac.uk       
					         aangel@sequent.co.uk

   ***** Acorn rep on StudentSoft/Archimedes owner/Computer Scientist *****
From: I.J.Grimstead@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ian 'the Grim' Grimstead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: DragASprite / Modified filer.
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:58:10 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

In article <1992Nov6.214741.5081@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, ahersee@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Hersee) writes:

... stuff deleted ...

|> Some of you may wonder why the filer and pinboard don't use DragASprite. Well
|> drag a sprite is only designed to drag one sprite and when copying files
|> by dragging things between filer windows you can drag more than one file. 
|> (Same on pinboard). This would require more than one sprite. Now what acorn 
|> could have done is allowed solid drag when dragging one file but think of the
|> confusion when someone drags more than one file! Hence the sensible decision
|> we see now.
|> 
|> Ok it is possible to do. All you need to do is plot the multiple files you
|> are going to drag in a sprite and then drag that larger sprite. (I may work
|> on this if no one else succedes).

Wouldn't it be better to have a special icon representing a "stack" of files,
i.e. a multiple drag. Methinks Open Windows' FileMgr uses this - much more
satisfactory.

Any other offers ?

Ian
From: thughes@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Tom Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Bug alert : RO3.1 corrupts DOS files
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:20:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1992Nov9.002405.5422@cs.utwente.nl> kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink) writes:
>Serious RISCOS 3.1 bug alert !
>
>This concerns copying files to DOS floppies with background operations on,
>which can corrupt files.

[...story of bug hunt deleted...]

>Further experimentation with rereading on Arc before porting the floppy,
>and doing *Dismounts at different times, reveals that both seem to cause
>the missing small data chunk (obviously still buffered by the FS) to be
>written to the disc, while removing the disc (waiting till light off)
>without doing either consistently corrupts these special length files.

I'm fairly sure that this is well known, as I read somewher recently
(in Archive I think) that you should *always* dismount a DOS floppy
before ejecting it, as not doing so means that the write behind buffer
will not be flushed to disc, so the last sector or so written to disc
will not actually have been written.

>Fully resetting the machine before doing either also shows the corruption
>on re-reading the files on the Arc. Definately something wrong in the
>'clean up' or 'update file to media' department.

I'm not sure if it is due to a bug in DOSFS which doesn't flush the
buffer when it finishes an operation, or whether it was the intended
mode of operation.

>Experimentation with ADFS discs reveals that ADFS (thank God !) does *not*
>suffer from data corruption in the same special cases. Must be DOSFS.

I am pretty sure that ADFS is safe - it's only DOSFS that suffers.

>Over to you, Acorn. What's your excuse ? This is bloody dangerous !

Whether this is a bug or the way things were supposed to work, it is
*very* bad. If this was in the specification, I worry about the person
who wrote the spec... Please, please, please sort it out Acorn.

Tom.

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From: ahersee@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Hersee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: dragASprite / Modified filer.
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:52:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

>>don't have a sub directory in the sub directory of !directory
>>e.g that !run opens up <Device>.<path>.!directory
>>(filer_opendir "<Obey$Dir>")
>>
>
>I don't think you even need this. Now this I'm dragging up from the
>deapths of my memory (an odd thing at the best of times) and as I'm
>currently many miles away from my Arc I can't test it out, but :
>
>One when I was writting a test application (to test something :-) ) I
>forgot to create a !Run file in the application dir (easy to do). When
>I double clicked on the application dir, what I got (this is where my
>memory may have got it wrong) was the filer opening the application
>dir (This was RO3.00, if that makes a difference).

Thought Acorn had made another nice little change but unforotunately
you must have had shift held down sinc the above does not work on RO3.1
 Ho humm..


Andrew Hersee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn,comp.sys.acorn.tech
From: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams on ashton.cl.cam.ac.uk)
Subject: Second hand prices
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cudddly Tigers
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:03:00 GMT

I have a friend who is wanting to sell a 40Mb ST506 drive + card for the
Archimedes. What is the going rate, would you say?

Replies by mail to MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (uk.ac.cam.phx on JANET) please.

Mike.
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From: pip@muppet.bt.co.uk (Philip Rutter DNM22)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Replay Harrier @ Newcastle
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:03:58 GMT
Reply-To: pip@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 12083@waikato.ac.nz, pdenize@waikato.ac.nz () writes:
>
>Finally I got the last part to the replay_harrier from newcastle.
>

Errr.. what is the last part ? I have 1 to 3, how many more to go?

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From: tim@parcplace.com (Tim Rowledge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: 3D !SetIcons
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:33:30 GMT

I finally got around to downloading the  new version of !SetIcons with the
3D icons - and after remembering to change iconsprite to toolsprite for
the WinIcons3D file, it sort of works.
However, the scroll bars mess up when scolling by dragging (they're ok
when usinf the up/down buttons) and the title bars messes up when I try to
move the window. I looks as if the sprites are too small - so the title bar
for example goes from
---------------------------------
a title bar labe
===================================
to something like
  ==  ==  ==  ==
blah blah
==  ==  ==  == 
wher the blanks are the 'normal' thin line borders.
Does anyone have a good idea how I've screwed up, or which icons need editin
to fix this? Should there be 2 uses of toolsprites? Should I hold my head
in a particular position when installing? Will Shula ever appear in Playboy?
Thanks for any assistance you can offer...
Tim Rowledge->tim@parcplace.com


Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft)
ReplyTo: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bug alert : RO3.1 corrupts DOS files
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:20:47 +0000


In article <1992Nov9.002405.5422@cs.utwente.nl> kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink) writes:

>Serious RISCOS 3.1 bug alert !
[ Long description of 'discovering' a bug in RISC OS 3.1 ]
>John Kortink

This is documented in the RISC OS 3.10 release note.

Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: andy@laguna.santafe.edu (Andy Mell)
Subject: Re: Turbodrivers...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:06:29 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

In article <1992Nov11.111524.19539@opal.comlab.ox.ac.uk> m90rjw@uk.ac.ox.ecs writes:
>	
>A couple of days ago, I posted an article saying that I was writing a module
>to allow normal printing through the Computer Concepts 'Twisted' printer cable.

Hmm, now all someone needs to do is write a turbodriver filter for RisciX to
rearrange the bits so that each character prints out correctly. Should be
very straightforward. Insert something into printcap so that all output goes
to  |/usr/lib/tdhack > /dev/lp.

I wont be writing it as I dont have a turbodriver, but I'm sure someone
will be interested in a filter to do this.

Andy
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From: gardar@grun.is (Gardar Runolfsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Registered Dissi users - please read
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:19:20 GMT
Organization: G.Run hf

tytgat@rilke.esat.kuleuven.ac.be (John Tytgat) writes:


>Can the following people contact me via e-mail (concerning the new
>registered Dissi version v2.04MR) ?

>Michael Ben-Gershon    mybg@shum.huji.ac.il ("Unknown user")
>Gardar Runolfsson      grari@grun.is ("User grari does not exist")
correct address is:
gnari@grun.is

>BitBox                 orion@lcopaiker.is (no reply)
correct address is:
orion@kopasker.is

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Regards
Gardar Runolfsson
gardar@grun.is
From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Turbodrivers...
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:31:47 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Nov11.111524.19539@opal.comlab.ox.ac.uk> m90rjw@uk.ac.ox.ecs writes:
>A couple of days ago, I posted an article saying that I was writing a module
>to allow normal printing through the Computer Concepts 'Twisted' printer
>cable.
>In fact CC have done the hard work already, but didn't tell anyone. All you
>do is to load the 'TurboSupport' module (inside !BJ10e.Modules as Turbo), when
>you load !Printers. This munges all the output, so you get correct printing
>through the cable.
 
Since the TurboDriver cable just has all of the important wires reversed,
would killing the Turbo Support module (or loading it twice :=) :=)) mean
that the TurboDrivers would work with an ordinary cable??? :->
From: cs89jmb@brunel.ac.uk (Aeon Flux)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Replay Harrier @ Newcastle
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:24:52 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Philip Rutter DNM22 (pip@muppet.bt.co.uk) wrote:
: In article 12083@waikato.ac.nz, pdenize@waikato.ac.nz () writes:
: >
: >Finally I got the last part to the replay_harrier from newcastle.
: >
: 
: Errr.. what is the last part ? I have 1 to 3, how many more to go?

The replay demo comes in 4 parts.

I must admit I thought the mailer kept chewing up the stuff from Newcastle
but once I heard about pt3 I was a bit suspicious and so mailed Albert.

It's a very good demo.

Jayce.

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From: A.M.Wall@newcastle.ac.uk (A.M.Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Acorn Computers
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:46:06 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

In article <1992Oct29.110459.1688@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jabell@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Bell) writes:
>
>
>Does Acorn have a division in the US? Canada even? I`d like to contact
>Acorn without having to mail a letter to England.
>
>Sincerely,
>James.

Acorn does have links with Olivetti Canada, but I don't think there is an 
actual division of Acorn in Canada or the US.
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Subject: Re: THE NEW ACORN MACHINE
From: Ikki@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (064230062: Fernmeldedirektion Olten)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:15:39 CET
Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ

Erm.. I heard something of an Acorn with
100 MIPS.
Could that be reality or just a joke?

Greetings.



Internet: Ikki(at)NBEIZ.mediatex.ch





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From: gtoal@cursci.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: SPRITE TO DRAW 
Distribution: world
Organization: Current Drugs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:20:43 +0000


In article <BxI4x8.EoM@newcastle.ac.uk> A.M.Wall@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>Image Outliner (from Iota, I think) is even better, but it is somewhat more 
>expensive.

If that's Neil Raine's one, I can vouch for him being someone who really
knows what he's talking about.  I was most impressed by the hack he made
for me a few years back to turn TeX bitmapped fonts into outlines.

G
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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Bug alert : RO3.1 corrupts DOS files
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:38:53 GMT

In article <721329647snx@klaatu.demon.co.uk>, steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov9.002405.5422@cs.utwente.nl> kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink) writes:
> 
> >Serious RISCOS 3.1 bug alert !
> [ Long description of 'discovering' a bug in RISC OS 3.1 ]
> >John Kortink
> 
> This is documented in the RISC OS 3.10 release note.

Indeed. What's more, even a passing familiarity with the concept of image
filing systems would lead you to suspect that DOSFS regards the entire surface
of the disc as an open file - and you KNOW you shouldn't have files open on a
disc when you reset the machine or remove the disc!

Personally, I regard this as an unexpected optimisation, rather than a bug, but
then I was using ADFS long before Arthur, and this sort of problem was quite
common in those days...

--Clive.
From: rsxdp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (D.Pead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THE BEST GAMES AROUND AT THE
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:06:06 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Nov10.125909.7222@cs.nott.ac.uk> smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
>Dimension). This same company has just forced a game called Cascade to
>be withdrawn because of its similarities to 4D's Cataclysm game, so it
>seems fitting that this action is being taken. Remember that this is
>business we are talking about.
>
But did you *see* the pictures of cascade? I think I can see their point, there.
>
>I believe the action is not because the game itself is similar to Elite, but
>because of the type of scanner display which it uses.
>
That's what I heard some time ago - Braben & Bell have laid claim to the
"dots on sticks" 3D scanner used in Elite (maybe they've even patented it).
Quite a smart move that, because it's easier to define than the overall
"look and feel" but it's pretty tricky to write a 3D game that doesn't
use it.

Presumably 4Ds earlier UIM (which looked like much more of an Elite clone
than Black Angel) didn't use one.
From: amw@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andy Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: DragASprite / Modified filer.
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:38:51 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, UK

ahersee@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Hersee) writes:

> [Dragging more than one file]

> Ok it is possible to do. All you need to do is plot the multiple files you
> are going to drag in a sprite and then drag that larger sprite. (I may work
> on this if no one else succedes).

If you are going to do this - think about plotting them in a stack
rather than having them spread out (like the OpenLook filer for anyone
who uses that!)

e.g.  NOT :                     BUT :

            --   --   --             --
           |  | |  | |  |           |  |
            --   --   --             -- |
                                      -- |
            --   --   --               --
           |  | |  | |  |
            --   --   --               If you get what I mean.


Stopping at stacking more than a certain number so that it doesn't get
silly! And if you were really clever (which of course you must be)
having the top one cycle through all the icons in the selection would
be *really* neat!!!

Andy...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: sbirkett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stuart Birkett)
Subject: CC
Reply-To: sbirkett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:03:00 +0000

 
  > I haven't got a 'downer' on Computer Concepts (have too much
  > kit from them anyway) but I do think a company on such
  > intimate terms with Acorn seem to be making rather a 'dog's
  > dinner' of everything just recently. 
 
  > Leslie Currell 
 
  > currell@mpi-muelheim.mpg.dbp.de 
 
 I've already managed to get ShowPage to work using the original RO2 fonts, 
just tell me how I can get it to print under RO 3.10?
 
Sad to hear there are problems with the Laser Direct too! I suppose CC will
stop supporting that as well. Can't seem to rely on them these days.
 
Stuart......
From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Additions and/or replacements on the Newcastle Info Server
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:16:42 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <19980@acorn.co.uk> Albert.Koelmans@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>
>New software:
>
>poker - by Simon Burrows. I don't suppose a description is necessary....


Sorry, I keep forgetting to include the names of the people who write items
which I send to the Info Server. I did not write this version of Poker.

Simon
(Posted as a reminder to other people also so that software does not get
attributed to the wrong person)
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From: bwc@waikato.ac.nz (Ug!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Bug alert : RO3.1 corrupts DOS files
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:26:41 +1300
Organization: Vooniersity fo Kaiwato

John Kortink writes:
> Serious RISCOS 3.1 bug alert ! [...]

Sorry JOhn, but I seem to remember the release notes saying you should
*always* dismount a DOS disc after having written to it.  I'm not sure, but
I think this would cure your problem.

Now if only we had a machine which wouldn't eject the disc until it had
finished with it, eh? ;-p
							Ug!