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From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:27:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Jul25.012422.12294@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>
>>I wouldn't want to share a caregiver with someone who would send their
>>child in sick.  
>
>Teri, I think it's hard to understand your position until you've been
>there.  If I get a cold, I'm over it usually in a day or so.  My
>husband then gets the same cold and keeps it a week.  In a lot of
>cases, he has to take medication to prevent it from becoming an ear
>infection.  

I have my own nanny for my two kids, and I would not think about 
sharing her.  Illness is one BIG issue.  I took my son out of a great
daycare when he was 10 months old, because he reacted to colds the
same way Kathy's husband does.  Until he was about 2.5, if there 
was someone around who was sick, he'd get it.  So I am also paranoid
about germs.  I do NOT want my kids around other kids who are even the
slightest bit sick.

Convenience is another issue.  My nanny comes to my house every morning.
If I were to share her with a friend, we'd probably alternate weeks or
months at each other's house.  This would involve packing my kids up
and taking them somewhere in the morning.  Avoiding this exercise is
worth extra to me.

Autonomy is another issue.  I have my nanny do a set number of chores
around my house.  She does all my kids' laundry, and generally keeps
the house neat until I get home (when all semblance of order goes out
the window ;^).  If I were to share her, I wouldn't feel right about
asking her to do the laundry, which would be an added burden on me.
Occasionally, I also ask my nanny to stay late if I have to work late,
and there's no confusion about hours or pay when she's my employee.  I 
wouldn't feel right about doing this if my kids were at a friend's house.  
Neither would I want extra kids at my house when I come home from work.

Liability is another issue.  I don't know what would happen
if one of my friends' kids got hurt in my home while under a nanny's
care, but I wouldn't want to find out.  We have an extra liability
insurance policy because we have a nanny and a housekeeper coming
and going at our house, but kids are usually more accident and injury 
prone than adults.

I have some good friends who have similar views to us on child rearing,
and who have kids my kids' ages.  In the past, we've considered sharing
nannies, but decided against it.  Our friendship is more important to
us than saving the money.  It's hard to work together with someone on
a daily basis over an issue as sensitive as child care.  We do 
occasionally double up if one of our nannies is sick or on vacation,
or whatever, and this has worked out very well.  However, it would
be hard for us to share one caregiver on a permanent basis.

Judy Drake
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smc@sequent.com (Susan M. Carr)
Subject: monitrice/doula
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:08:43 GMT
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:46:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3211
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.


I have a brother who is exactly 14 months younger than me.  I wrote 
this in my response to the FAQ on sibling spacing, but I have always
enjoyed (overall) having a sibling this close in age.  When we were
little, we always had someone to play with, whether it was at home 
or when we went on vacations.  We're basically peers, so we have
always been able to relate to each other in terms of life experiences, 
tastes in music and books, intellectual pursuits, etc.  We're probably 
about as close as you can get without being twins.  As we became adults, 
the age difference became even more negligible.  

My parents planned us this way.  I think they were glad to do it
like this, too.  The only difficult times for them were when we were
both babies, and then later when we were both in private (expensive)
colleges.

We also have a sister 4.5 years younger than me.  All three of us
have always been close.

Judy Drake
From: mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers)
Subject: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy? 
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:45:52 GMT

Some months ago I just walked in the sun and I thought: YEP! I feel
physically normal again, like I felt before Josanne was born. (Say
8 months, she is 11 mo. now)


Well, I can't remember these things very well (physical state, feeling
of physical well-being), during my pregnancy I felt perfect, maybe
even better than before, and afterwards there were all those little
things (walking the stairs without problems, running, lifting things)
that I don't seem to remember very well (btw, it was a c-section).

What I would like to know from other mothers is things like:

- Did you get this feeling I tried to describe, if so, when did you 
  notice it.
- What factors do you think are involved: during pregnancy, maternity 
  leave, psychological factors, having more children, work before/after
  birth, the newborn itself, the amount of work you have to do in
  the house, and how do you think they affected your "extended recovery".

 
I don't know if this is food for discussion, (maternity leave is IMHO),
or that my vague definitions can generate some exact answers I can
summarize later on.

Mylene

mylene@swanee.uwa.edu.au
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: patti@nestor.uucp (80122-stankovich)
Subject: Re: Hard time focusing
Reply-To: patti@nestor.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.211831.2792@informix.com> lynnf@informix.com (Lynn Felise) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Thought i'd ask the advice of the oh so smart net if anyone else
>has experienced  this.  I am 31 weeks pregnant and for the past
>two days have had a hard time focusing back on something when I
>look away.  For example, I'll look into my rear view mirror and look
>back onto the road and it'll take a second or two to focus.  I called
>the advice nurse and she said that it sounded like low sugar in my
>blood and another said it was just hormones.  Another girl here at 
>work said that it could be my eyes swelling from water retention, but
>I don't feel swollen at all any place else.
>
I'm 34 weeks, and I haven't experienced this, but the daughter
of a friend has.  She was in her third trimester and all of a
sudden her vision would get very fuzzy and she couldn't focus
on anything.  Her doctor immediately put her out on disability
because he was afraid she might have an accident when driving.
I don't think they found out a cause, but it does seem to
be pregnancy related because since the baby was born in March,
she hasn't had any problems.  I would check with you ob or
perhaps an eye doctor.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Iron Deficency/Inguinal Hernias
From: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Lloyd Pallesen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:23:21 GMT
Reply-To: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

I have attempted Email to staffan@serum.kodak.com who apparently 
has FAQ on this subject (Inguinal Hernia anyway) without success.  
So am posting this request, please respond by Email.  I will post 
a summary if enough people request same.

Can you please send me any FAQ you have on above subject.

A little background.

We have a 19 month old son (Jared) who was operated on at 13 
weeks for double (turned out to be triple) inguinal hernias.  
He has never been a settled baby/child since the hernias were 
diagnosed (5-6 weeks) and while there are apparently no problems 
directly associated with the surgery since it took place we have 
discovered that he is iron deficient (at @ 12 months), this took 
a lot of determination on my wife's part as successive doctors 
said there was nothing wrong despite his poor appetite and 
sleeping habits.  

Since he has been on iron (and more lately iron and vitamins, now 
we have a more sympathetic Doctor) his sleeping has improved, as 
has his appetite, although his appetite is still not good. 

He basically won't eat any meat (except for bacon and luncheon 
occasionally) or vegetables (a little raw carrot sometimes).  His 
diet consists of fruit (bananas, apples, pears, dates and 
sultanas), yoghurt, cheese and various forms of carbohydrate 
(muslei, crackers, bread, toast etc.).  He has never really drunk 
very much in the way of fluids since he has stopped 
breast-feeding (@ 14-15 months), although lately he has been 
drinking a little more (milk, water and diluted fruit juice) I 
still wouldn't describe his daily intake as generous (between 
6-12 fluid ounces I'd guess).

Any information that you have that you think might be of interest 
would be appreciated.

Thankyou

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Subject: Cute Things They Say (almost 5)
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:14:23 GMT

We frequantly watch the "Wizard of Oz".

Last night we had a wind storm.  This morning when Aaron got up he came in my room he started talking about the wind.  After I said that it was a real big wind storm he asked, "So where are we now?"

He was a little disappointed when he looked out the window.
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:41 PDT
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul22.153950.28777@mnemosyne:-302411781:cdp:1427100025:000:284
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Jul 23 23:41:00 1992


IMHO, it is a bit one-sided to quote Ephesians 6:1 without
also quoting Ephesians 6:4:

"Fathers, do not anger your children.  Bring them up
with the training and instruction befitting the Lord.

Lynn Gazis-Sax

"With your rod and your staff, that give me courage."
Psalm 23, verse 4
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:12:57 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
>lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>> I'd be interested to know what reasons there would be against using
>> EFM.  Thanks!
>
>The monitor did allow the nurses to get all excited every time they
>saw a contraction coming, but it didn't really add much benefit for
>me.  My contractions were regular, regularly increasing in length and
>intensity, and were never all that awful.

I found it invaluable to have my husband tell me when a contraction
was starting.  I used a lot of distraction breathing during the worst
of the labor (the last 2 hours when I couldn't have another shot of
Nubane was the worst of it).  Once my husband told me a contraction
was starting, I made up a pair of numbers, each of which was less than
4.  If my numbers were 3 and 1, then I would do 3 deep abdominal
breaths making a hissing noise, and then 1 without a hiss.  I made up
a new pair for each contraction.  If he didn't tell me a contraction
was starting, then I wasn't ready to breathe, and I would feel
panicky.  

(BTW, it took the doula a little while to figure out what I was doing,
since she was trying to breathe with me, and I kept making up new breathing patterns :-)

>2) I wasn't able to move much, and ended up with back labor.  The nurses
>encouraged me to keep the monitor on, but due to the slippage (see #1) I
>had to lie on my back and hold fairly still.  

We just kept rearranging the monitors to make them pick up properly.
Since I was on pitocin, I had to keep them on throughout the labor.
Changing positions made the contractions more painful, though.  My
husband and the doula got very good at using more gel and
repositioning the monitor to re-pick up the baby's heartbeat.




--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:43:17 GMT

Last Monday we had a wonderful little boy. Here are the stats:

Austin Gilmore Burns
Born 12:06pm, July 20, three weeks early
8lbs exactly
21"
reddish-brown hair

We're adjusting still and suffering from sleeplessness, but generally 
very happy and thankful. If anyone wants to hear the nuts and bolts 
of the labor and delivery please e-mail me. Hearing and reading loads 
of birth stories before my delivery helped me have a realistic idea of 
what it would be like. I felt okay about the process because I knew 
a lot about the interventions/drugs/IVs/etc and my doctor was great 
about doing what I wanted, even though circumstances dictated some 
stuff like an episiotomy to vacuum extract (my doctor says I would have 
avoided it except that the baby's head did not present straight on). 

I just wanted to share the good news. Thanks to misc.kid posters my 
nursing bras fit well and I've been able to cope with long night-time 
crying spells, knowing what others have been through and some ways they 
dealt with it (but for the record it has not been easy!).  

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
From: bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how to remove stains on clothes?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 08:25:43 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
NNTP-Posting-Host: informatics.wustl.edu

In article <1992Jul23.225654.1778@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>For white clothes only, you can use dye remover (also called color
>remover).  You'll find it wherever fabric dyes are sold (try the
>supermarket, at least in the US).  It will remove stains that bleach
>won't touch.  It is tough on fabric; you wouldn't want to do it more than
>once per item, but if you've got a favorite white item with an apparently
>permanent stain, it's worth a try.
>
Will it work on rust stains? Bleach doesn't even begin to fade them, neither
does Sray & Wash stick (which I've found pretty good usually). (The rust
stains come, FYI, from the buttons on a pair of Sears toddler's short
dungarees - after this I wouldn't recommend them, although I wouldn't have
before, as the crotch snaps are completely feeble and always unsnap. The
stains are on the collar of my largest, coolest maternity shirt, and with
6 weeks to go and little to no signs of deceleration in tummy growth, I
NEED THIS SHIRT!!)

Charlene
From: abd0@gte.com (Alvah Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Alternative to misc.twins proposed
Summary: maillist or alt group
Keywords: kids twins supertwins
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:04:54 GMT

While misc.twins has failed to receive enough votes to be created, I feel
confident there are enough people interested in discussions about being or
raising twins and supertwins to warrant some other approach.  The two
alternatives I know about are to create an alt.twins group or to create a
mail list.

Alt groups can be created (and destroyed) at a moment's notice.  They are
probably not received at as many sites.  They can be read easily by anyone
with access to alt groups.

Maillists last as long as there is traffic on them.  You receive posts to
the list as mail messages.  If you haven't subscribed to the list, you do
not see the messages.

There's a third alternative, which is to post to misc.kids.  In my view,
for whatever reasons, that hasn't worked to date.  If you're interested in
a separate, focused discussion on twins and supertwins--either through an
alt group or a mail list--please email your comments to me.  I've been
waiting for a long time to get this discussion going, and I'd like to
start an alt group or a mail list very soon.

Thanks to Lisa Brown for sparking my own and others' interest.  I find I
have a lot to learn from other parents of multiples, and from other twins
and supertwins, and, after four year's experience raising my twin daughters,
perhaps something to contribute as well.

--Alvah Davis, GTE Laboratories   abd0@gte.com (that's "a b d zero") 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tim@NCoast.ORG (Tim Stradtman)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:52:53 GMT


NEWS FLASH.....
July 11, 1992
5:19pm (EDT)

Hillary Elizabeth Stradtman was born
Weight: 7lbs, 9 1/2 ozs
Length: 19 1/2 inches

Mama and Baby are both fine
Mama and Dada are both sleepless
Ashley (2 1/2) is jealous

everything is normal :) 

Tim (Dada to Ashley & Hillary)

PS: Sorry about the delay - Our news disk filled up & wouldn't let me post.
-- 
Tim Stradtman
tim@ncoast.org  or  uunet!cwjcc!ncoast!tim  or  ak215@cleveland.freenet.edu
And now...  tim@tcp.ncoast.org  or  uunet!cwjcc!ncoast!tcp!tim
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From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to tell if fetus is OK
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:28:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Jul31.122822.3250
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul29.195459.10045@nb.rockwell.com>, guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
|> 
|> This just came to mind and I thought that I would share it
|> with you all in net land.  My OBGYN said that in the last 
|> weeks of pregnancy he wanted us to be sure that we had felt
|> the baby kick once that day.  He said if I listen to the 
|> heart I know that the baby is good for the next 20 minutes,
|> but if you feel a kick you know they are good for 24 hours.
|> He went on to say that he had never delivered a still born
|> baby where the mom felt a kick within 24 hours before.  He
|> claimed that if something is going wrong they quit moving
|> for about a day and then they die.  If you can get into
|> the office during that day we can check to see if there is
|> movement and look for other signs of distress etc.  I found
|> this very comforting because I was usually kicked to sleep
|> every night.  All of this happened 4.5 years ago.  My 4.5yo
|> daughter is doing great.
|> 

To add to this my sister is currently pregnant.  She was at the doctor
last week and told her that Leah (we know it is a girl)  had not been
kicking as strongly as she was just a few days ago.  The doctor was worried
because there should still be plenty of room for the child to roll around.
The doctor has my sister lay still for twenty minutes at a time three
times a day, and count movements.  If she doesn't count twenty in one
day she is to call the doctor immediatly.   I should also point out
that this has not been a problem free pregancy for my sister.

Nanette  (Philip's mom)
salvaggi@acadia.kodak.com
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Original joke by 2YO
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:59 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

     Michael told a joke this morning.  He was sitting in his high
chair, eating graham crackers dunked in milk (a favorite snack), and
this conversation took place:

Jennifer:  Is that good?

Michael:  No.

Both parents:  NO?!

Michael:  <giggle>

His sense of humor comes from his father, apparently.

(3 weeks to #2!  sweat sweat sweat)
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "Well!  Peanut butter! . . . or so it seems."
Email is life!   | --Calvin 
Utah State University doesn't care what I put here . . . I hope.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ecu@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (elin.c.upperco)
Subject: Outgrowing a Car Seat...Now what???
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:21:57 GMT

My daughter who will be three in October is too tall for
her Fisher Price car seat. She complains that the straps
dig into her shoulders (and indeed they do becasue they have
to come UP and then over). Soon, too, her little brother
will be too heavy for his infant seat, and need the FP car seat.
The problem is this: all of the booster cars I have tried
are either too tight on her lap or tummy (and she is not a fat
kid) and they lift her too high in the seat so that the back
of the seat is below the midpoint of her head (this is considered 
dangerous since they would not have support for their head
jerking back and yes, my daughter is rather tall for her age). 
Oh, by the way, we have a Voyager mini van (ie, no bucket seats).

HELP! Has anyone had a similar problem and what did they do?
My daughter weighs about 35 lbs so I hesitate to buy another
car seat since i have only seen ones rated to 40 lbs. I would,
however, buy another car seat if it was rated to 50 lbs.
Although I believe it is legal here in NJ to have a child
over 2 yrs old using a regular lap seat belt, I prefer to
have a car seat or booster for her.

Any suggestions would be most welcome!! I am getting desperate!

			Thanks!  Elin Upperco

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Subject: Re: Almost 3 year spacing (pros & cons)
Reply-To: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:31:22 GMT

In article 3380@linus.mitre.org, kvt@willow.mitre.org () writes:
>After reading all of the positive responses to the close
>spacing thread, I was wondering what we can look forward
>to (pros and cons) if we do indeed start the baby growing
>process again soon. 

Let me put in a plug for having kids spaced at wider intervals.
Asa was five when Grace was born, and we have always been glad 
we waited that long.  At five, Asa was out of diapers and no 
longer needed or wanted our constant attention.  I have nothing
but incredulous admiration for those who have two in diapers at 
the same time.  Not something I would want to try. Asa was ready 
to start being just a little more independent and showed no 
jealousy of the new baby.  On the contrary, he liked the idea 
(with our encouragement) of being the big brother and actually
helped out (when it suited him) from time to time. 

*****************************************************************
Johnny Battle                           

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.144253.22722@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
dma9w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan) writes:
 
>I, who had been in labor for 21 hours before I received any medication,
>and was in the throes of transition when I received an epidural commented
>that I absolutely did not feel any pain upon the insertion.  This is to
>provide you with some contrast between the pain of the needle insertion
>and the pain of a transition contraction.  As always - YMMV.
 
 This reminds me of an unexpected benefit I recieved from two labors (and
a C-section and VBAC).  A year after my second child was born, I had to have an
uncomfortable procedure of having a long scope (through which the doctor
looks for polyps on the walls of colon) inserted up my butt (a sigmoidoscopy).
 The nurse told me, 'Try to relax because this can be uncomfortable...' and
I said, 'Not to worry.  This can't be anyworse than labor and it will be over
in 5 minutes.'  Then I did some Lamaze-type breathing to try to relax.  It
really was very easy to cope when I thought about my past labors.
  There was a queen (of England?  I don't remember her name) who had a few
children.  When one of her children was due to be born, she called in the
Royal dentist to pull a tooth while she was in labor because she thought she
might as well get both painful experiences over at once!
  I felt the same way after my first child as I do now - I'd do it again in
a minute!  What is truly horrifying, however, is the prospect of losing sleep
again with an infant that wakes in the night to be fed....
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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