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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 16:57:19 EST
From: Mike Wardin <34ID2QW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Prof. visiting Univ. Melborne

I am posting for a Professor, that will be visiting in Febuary, and would
like to make contacts before coming. Visit will be for 6 days, and would
like to find someone to show kids around (babysit) for approx 8-11 year
old. Also would like kids to visit a primary school there.
Prof. wants contact personnally, on E-mail, if anyone is interested, E-mail
me and I will have contact returned.

Thank You
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Subject: Wollongong University
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:02:51 GMT

   I presently live in California, and have never been to Australia.
I am considering an offer to become a Lecturer in the Computer Science
Department at Wollongong University under a four year contract
appointment.  Does anyone have any information about Wollongong
University or the Department that would be useful in considering the
position?  How does it compare with other Australian or US universities?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,comp.infosystems.gis,sci.geology
From: keane@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Matthews Keane)
Subject: Hydrology and Geomorphology of the Blue Mountains
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:03:28 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

I am trying to locate literature on the hydrology and geomorphology of
the Blue Mountains outside Sydney.  I am beginning my Graduate work
here and am studying the landform<->hydrology relationships of the
Peidmont and Coastal Plain here in Maryland.  As the topography of the
Blue Mountains is quite different, and I have always enjoyed my time
in that region :-), I would be interested in developing a contrasting
situation using the Blue Mountains.  Can anyone point me towards any
research done in this region?  What density of gauging stations exist
there? Pointers to where digital elevation model and hydrography data
may be available for this.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers,
Christopher Keane
keane@earthsun.umd.edu
From: myk@muppet.bt.co.uk (Mike Holland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: myk@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Laboratories
NNTP-Posting-Host: aardvark.muppet.bt.co.uk

In article 10536@cs.brown.edu, aen@cs.brown.edu (Ann Nicholson) writes:
}In article <1g9f45INNm27@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ag301@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tricia Schmidt) writes:
}[stuff deleted]
}>The tip about not tipping is also great.  Jim has a very large
}>number of books about tourism in Australia, and none of them
}>so far has mentioned that we should not tip.
}[stuff deleted]

}
}While I would agree that tipping is not as "compulsory" in Australia
}as in the US, it is still not uncommon. My brother is a waiter (at
}Mario's cafe in Brunswick St - pause for nostalgia about Lygon and
}Brunswick Sts...), and I know that tips form a reasonable proportion 
}of his income. I think that tipping should be some function of how 
}much money you have, how much you enjoyed the meal, how good the 
}service was, and how poor the waiters/waitresses look :-).
}
}Ann Nicholson

It may sound good in the short term, but if more people tip, waiters
will be willing to work for less wages. Restauants will be forced to
lower wages and meal prices to compete. You end up with lower 'phoney'
prices, actually pay the same, but all the bad aspects of tipping.
   On the positive side, tipping may improve service, but I cant see
it ever being as good as the US.

---
 Mike Holland.   e-mail: myk@muppet.bt.co.uk    phone: +44 473 648160.
 B83 G38, British Telecom Research Lab's, Ipswich IP5 7RE, England.

 Quotes are a burden to others, .signatures are a prison for one's self.
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:34:16 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <1992Dec17.120853.6717@devvax.mincom.oz.au>,
    anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:

| REAL AUSTRALIANS DONT TIP.

However, they do round up :-)  If a taxi fare costs me say $18-50, I'll
hand over $20 and say "Keep the change, mate."  Who wants a pocket full
of coins?

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:50:43 GMT

In article <BzF8Gx.9v4@mach1.wlu.ca> john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes:
>In article <BzEpJL.CBL@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>>
>>    ... The Macquarie ...
>>    it seems to be out of print.
>
>Are you sure?
>When I was last in Sydney you could obtain almost all versions.

      Well, you got me. I should have checked Books In Print. ;-)
      I only know that Dymmocks (sp?) and a couple of the other
      big booksellers didn't have it last June.

-- 
--- 
         "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
               cbs@.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
  FLIS PhD Office, Room 608 Bissell Bldg., Univ. of Toronto, 140 St.George St.
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:14 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <BzF8Gx.9v4@mach1.wlu.ca>,
	 john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes...
>The Macquarie comes in various editions - ranging from small pocket sized
>versions to the rather substantial 'full' bound versions.
>In my estimation it is a rather good dictionary, not quite an OED but still
>quite good. 
	Yes, but have you looked up its explanation of "conservation of
physical quantity".  At least in the very first edition (1981) there's a
rather amusing typographical error.  Plus ca change...

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees)
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:42:17 GMT

>> In article <ByszDq.ADn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>>     dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:
>> 
>> | Australia does have an official dictionary, the Macquarie, which is
>> | internationally renowned as being one of the stupidest dictionaries
>> | ever.  The last word in the thing is "Zzzz"  as in the sound someone
>> | makes while sleeping.  Really stupid.
>
>
>	i am baffled by this estimation. in our lab we have several
>dictionaries available and the best two are the chambers and teh macquarie.
>(the oed is the ``best'' and arguably the most interesting but not for
>current usage!) of course, the macquarie undeniably reflects more
>slang than the chambers or the american dictionaries but this is
>part of its charm.

The person whose article you quote neglected to include a relevant part
of my original post, which observed that the best bet is one of the
Oxford dictionaries marked for Australian use.  Oxford publishes such
works, but as I am not in Australia at the moment, I am not able to
provide exact title details.  The Oxford Australian dictionaries
incorporate the slang and colloquial entries to which you refer,
without the idiocy of the Macquarie as illustrated in the quote above.
The Oxford makes sure that its usage is up to date in the entries for
its smaller dictionaries, to which I *assume* you refer.  I doubt that
you have a complete 20+ volume edition of the complete Oxford English
dictionary (second edition) in your lab.  Perhaps your lab would be well
advised to spend the (relatively small) sum of money required to obtain
an Australian version of the concise Oxford.  Then you have access to
both sound scholarly research into the language, and the exploration of
the peculiarities of the Australian use of the language.

Regards,

David Cartledge
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Change to Republic
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Millikan) writes:

>There has been for some time a running debate on the merits of removing
>the Royal aspects from the political make-up of Australia.  While there
>are I believe justified arguments to either side of the discussion, there
>are other factors that must be considered.

>What people tend to forget is the very real cost of change.  Recently The
>MMBW (Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works) changed its name to Melbourne
>Water.  The Road Traffic Authority Changed its name to Vic Roads.  These
>changes are very expensive.  Letterhead, signs, documents all must be
>changes to bear the new name and sign of the company involved.  

>The Royal crest appears in many different places, like post-boxes, post
>offices, all the legal statutes.  Are we to change all of these?  Can we
>afford to change all of these at this point in time?  Surely there are

  Why should it cost anything?
  Why change any letterheads?
  By abolishing the hereditary monarchy and replacing it with an
  elected one all the organisations with Royal or H.M. in their
  title could leave them unchanged.
  Or put another way become a republic but call your elected Head
of State a Monarch instead of a President.

ps.
  Monarchs were elected in the Holy Roman Empire, and Poland.  Monarchs
are still elected in Malaysia, and (maybe it could be argued) the Vatican.
The USSR had a de facto monarch because once selected they kept power for
life.

>Tim

>-- 
>*--*
>Tim Millikan
>yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sa@ais.org (Scott Almburg)
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:02:55 GMT

....  a pocketful of australian coins is almost as bad  as a pocket
of english coins!  It's not unlikely that you'll have 30 pounds ins
change jangling in those pockets...   pound  coins  are small and 
heavy....



scott  almburg

ann arbor, michigan
usa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: drizzt@spock.uucp (Neela Jacques)
Subject: Abortion
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:16:48 GMT


I'd like to know how Australia is hanling the pro-life,pro-choice, abortion issue.
From: jlp@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: request for FAQ
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:24:17 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I posted a request a little while ago, but got no response. Could someone
please either repost the proposed FAQ for this newsgroups or send it to me
directly?

Thanks.

Jobi Petty
jlp@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: power and camels
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:48:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian

In article <sxvlb-081292113914@sxvlb.uacn.alaska.edu>, sxvlb@alaska.edu (Virginia Bedford) writes:
> I will be travelling in Australia and New Zealand next spring for
> several months on a sort of vocational exchange.  
> I would like to take a Macintosh notebook with
> me and am wondering about power, etc.  
> 
> What is the voltage?
> What is the Hertz?
> What is the configuration of the receptable or outlet?
> What's the configuration of the plug or plugs necessary to
>     convert American machine to Australian power?
> Where can I buy these converters and what do they cost?
> Any other considerations?
> 
> sxvlb@alaska
> Virginia Bedford
> University of Alaska, Fairbanks

In Australia our power is 240 volts AC, at 50 Hz. 

We use 3 pin plugs in this kind of configuration...

/ \
 |

If your Mac notebook uses a power adaptor rather than just plugging straight
into the mains, why not just buy a local one when you get here?  It would
probably be safer and more reliable than using an transformer.  I have used
such transformers before, they cost between $70 ~ $150 (AU$), and are heavy
bulky and downright ugly!

I haven't seen the "Gulliver" book in action but it sounds like a lot of fun!

Happy Christmas to all!

Jane
-- 
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s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au	|		South Yarra
University of Melbourne			|		Victoria 3141, AUSTRALIA
Melbourne, Australia.			|	+613/03	820 3629
			*** ready, fire, aim! ***
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:31:06 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: What means M.A.S.H. ?

In article <1992Dec15.070556.574@cs.tu-berlin.de>, landmark@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
(Torsten K. (Landmark)) says:
>
>Hello everybody,
>i have a little question ! I think M.A.S.H is only an abbrevation,
>but I don't know the meaning (it has something to do with the
>army, i believe). Please, don't write me, that i can see it on TV
>(at 6:00 in Qld.). Thanks for your reply.

Mobile Army Surgical Hospital


>



>bye, Torsten
>
>--
>* Torsten Kerschat         |  E-Mail-Address:
>*
>* TU - Berlin              |  landmark@cs.tu-berlin.de
>*
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>*
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From: olney@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Olney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:47:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

Lecturers from the US in Australia often have problems with words like
organisation, colour and programme; but they get better after a while.
As long as one is consistent, either language is acceptable in
Australia.
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Optus - credit cards
Summary: another story
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:44:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24390
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



	on my first two visits to the U.S., the initial use
of my Bankcard was subject to substantial delay. i was told
that the mastercard (or whatever) database only retains foreign
card information for a limited time and then gets dropped.
the initial use fires up a verification query to the country of
origin.
	however, this hasn't happened the last couple of visits
back to australia so perhaps there is now better integration of
the various countries' databases.

			andrew hume
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:08:53 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <1gnefhINNb45@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, mlaufer@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Matthias Laufer) writes:
> Please Tricia and Jim DO tip if you think a person deserves it.
> The stuff about not tipping in Oz is pure rubbish and ignorance.
> People in the hospitality industry love a tip and Americans are renowned
> for tipping, so keep up the good habit.
> Try the North West of Western Australia!!
> -Matt
NOOOOOOO! Don't tip. its not expected and absolutely not the outrageous
15% compulsory tipping that goes on in the US.

Sometimes, if we are a large group we will round up the perperson amount,
and leave the change behind. But I NEVER deliberately tip in any other
circumstance. 

REAL AUSTRALIANS DONT TIP.

The problem is that we don't want to get to the state the US and Europe are
in where not tipping is major crime. Waiters here are not employed on the
basis that they will get tips to make up a decent wage, as is the case in
the US.

Matthias - where do you work?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:27:17 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Change to Republic

In article <1992Dec15.004411.1064@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Millikan) says:
>
>There has been for some time a running debate on the merits of removing
>the Royal aspects from the political make-up of Australia.  While there
>are I believe justified arguments to either side of the discussion, there
>are other factors that must be considered.
>
>Australia, like many other countries at this point in time, is suffering
>from an economic climate that is less than friendly.  Unemployment is
>high, (except in Canberra I understand) and morale is low.  While the
>Government may have given heat to this debate to get peoples minds of the
>problems surrounding them, I think there intention was to draw fire from
>their own problems rather than to aid the suffering.  The cause certainly
>has done wonders for the Flag industry!!
>
>What people tend to forget is the very real cost of change.  Recently The
>MMBW (Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works) changed its name to Melbourne
>Water.  The Road Traffic Authority Changed its name to Vic Roads.  These
>changes are very expensive.  Letterhead, signs, documents all must be
>changes to bear the new name and sign of the company involved.
>
>The Royal crest appears in many different places, like post-boxes, post
>offices, all the legal statutes.  Are we to change all of these?  Can we

While Canada is not a republic, there was in the 70s especially, a programme
by the government to emphasise canadian identity in government symbols,
thus, over time names of departments were changed to drop the words Dominion or
to remove references to the monarchy (there are exceptions) and the cost was
not high as it was phased in over a 20 year period or so. Royal Mail for
example, no longer appears on Canada Post property. Changing future legal
statutes involves no expense whatsoever.

>afford to change all of these at this point in time?  Surely there are
>better things for all Australians to be spending their energy on than the
>question of Australia becoming a republic.  We are in a real mess at the
>moment.  The Unions are up in arms over workers being retrenched,
>including a team of cleaners who clean a five-floor hospital wing every
>day, seven days a week, that is yet to see a single patient.  Lets get our
>country moving first before we start worrying about what many people
>people term an irrelevance.
>
>Tim
>
>--
>*--*
>Tim Millikan
>yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:29:23 GMT

In article <1g1h9kINNhvf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ag301@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tricia Schmidt) writes:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I'm soon to be an obnoxious American Tourist in Australia, and
> I've got lots of questions.  And the Australian tourist bureau
> in NYC doesn't seem to have an 800 number :)
> 
> My first question is about currency.  I can't get any travellers
> cheques in Australian dollars.  People tell me that Australians
> will take US dollars.  Is this true?  I find it a bit hard to
> believe considering the economic state of the US.  But if US
> dollars are OK, I'll take them.  Otherwise it takes a few weeks
> to order Australian dollars through a bank here.
> 

You could probably cash US$ travellers cheques at banks here, but
with the probable exception of touristy restaurants and hotels I
think you would be expected to pay in Oz dollars... but then again
I've only ever had Australian currency to pay with!

> Second, we're coming on a cruise which will drop us off in 
> Sydney.  We want to end up in Cairns to do some scuba diving
> on the Barrier Reef.  Jim wants to drive or take the train up
> because he believes there's lots of interesting stuff between
> the two cities.  I've looked at a map and it seems to show only
> mountains and a few small towns, so I want to fly.  Has anyone
> made this trip before?  Does anyone live between, and know of
> some good places we can visit?  And which is better, train or
> plane?
> 

Australia has a spectacular coast line, if you've got the chance to
take a long leisurely look at it - DO SO!!!

> Finally, what shouldn't tourists do in Australia?  I know that
> customs are different in every country, and I'd like to know 
> how we can avoid being considered overly-obnoxious tourists :)
> 

It may sound trite but you wont be thought obnoxious unless you
actually are.  I think this reputation may come from a small number
of American tourists who think and act as though they are superior
to the natives.  Some Dutch people who stayed at my home commented
that they were amazed at the politeness of Australians.  They couldn't
believe that even at home between partners we still used all our 'pleases' &
'thankyous'.  I love to help out tourists, because I love my home town
(Melbourne), and I appreciate courtesy on the part of those I have helped.

Why not call me if you get to Melbourne. Or email me directly at
janl@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au

-- 
Jane Anna Langley			|snail-mail: 	105 Osborne Street
s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au	|		South Yarra
janl@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au               |               Victoria 3141
University of Melbourne			|		AUSTRALIA
Melbourne, Australia.			|	+613/03	820 3629
			*** ready, fire, aim! ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:03:18 GMT

In article <1g1h9kINNhvf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ag301@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tricia Schmidt) writes:
:Second, we're coming on a cruise which will drop us off in 
:Sydney.  We want to end up in Cairns to do some scuba diving
:on the Barrier Reef.  Jim wants to drive or take the train up
:because he believes there's lots of interesting stuff between
:the two cities.  I've looked at a map and it seems to show only
:mountains and a few small towns, so I want to fly.  Has anyone
:made this trip before?  Does anyone live between, and know of
:some good places we can visit?  And which is better, train or plane?

Well,I just got back from holidays in far north Qld two days ago. We decided
to fly to Cairns then drive down to Airlie Beach (for a week's sailing). I'd
have to say that if you can, diving on the reef is much better from Port
Douglas (100 or so km N of Cairns) than Cairns itself. Driving from Cairns
down the coast (don't forget to go whitewater rafting on the Tully River!)
was not the most interesting driving I've done- I had the impression that
the highway would be lined with palm trees (almost) but it looks pretty
much like anywhere else in rural Oz. Also, it was bloody hot up there, at
this time of year.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au