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From: erikmc@fdh.hsf.no (Erik McDonald)
Subject: New Amigas anyone ?
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: erikmc@fdh.hsf.no

Just a quick thought here...

Has anyone heard of any other Amiga then tha A1200 and the A4000 ?
Like the A2200...A4000/030...

Is Commodore likely to release a machine for us who don't have 
money flowing out our ass ? 

i.e a midrange machine ...

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga?  [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:47:28 GMT

In article <70031@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
|> >9:  Does C= sell TEMPEST spec Amigas?
|> 
|> No, in fact just the opposite.  When you turn on an Amiga 2000, every TV
|> within about 30 yards can pick up the output. Someone may have Tempest'd
|> them, but I don't think CBM has.

Welllll,,, true in a way. It depends how well the TV is protected against 
outside signals. The Sony TV I had in my room (2-4 feet away...) showed no interference, even on good old channels 2 and 4, but the cheap old RCA my 
parents had in their bedroom (15-20 yards away...) showed READABLE TEXT from 
the A2000 on channel 2!

|> TomK@cup.portal.com
|> Tom Krotchko

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: When is the Amiga 1200 going to be released?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:45:30 GMT

What's the retail price of an A1200 going to be?  Discounted mail
order, I mean...

Thom

Anyone wanna buy a 1084 or a 1200/4000 compatible multi-sync?

$150/$300...

Thom

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:55:21 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <bmz1+8@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
> 
> Just about everything I entered here, with regards to NewTek policy, is just me
> playing devil's advocate. It's meant to be in an extremely sarcastic vein. I 
> don't believe most of it, of course - in fact, it's all a crock of sh*t.

Then why on earth did you post it?

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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:09:29 GMT

   Just to start another trail but still being related to the Toaster
@ the Discovery channel:

   I saw in CNN a report from NewTek too last summer.  True, they seem
like they are living it up.  They also said on some add looking for
people to work for them I think, something about still working on something
new...

   Well, all I can think of it is that maybe they are working on a real-time
stuff to digitize full motion video.  But then, is NewTek the same
'Amiga guys' that they used to be?  I highly doubt it. 

   I have started to work with a Video Toaster finally, and I have been
reading the manual.  They barely mention the word AMIGA!  Even they don't
tell the users that they are seeing the Amiga Workbench which is part
of the OS (maybe in other parts of the manuals, but not usually).  
They just call it 'workbench' and that's it.  UGH!

   On the other hand, they mention the Mac and PC quite a few times...
it's incredible... I guess that NewTek will be mega-tempted to make 
a real Toaster for the PC's since they have such a huge market share,
even if it costs say, $1000 more than the Amiga version.

   NewTek: WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?  I remember all your artistic and wild
'DemoReels'....  Isn't there any 'AGA-demo reel?', any DigiView updates
for the AGA? Since DigiView digitizes internally in 21 bits - 2.1
million colors- just changing the software for AGA would be a snap...

  Where's your upgrade?  No words?  Announcements?

  What about a 'tiny toaster' for other Amigas? (A500's, etc.) for home
editing?  What about releasing LightWave 3D as a stand-alone package
for DCTV, AGA, etc.?  WHAT ABOUT A TOASTER FOR THE A3000/A4000?

  What about Digipaint 4 - AGA HAM8 support?  What about even a good
quality, low-cost genlock? (GVP made one that looks pretty good: G-lock).

  WHAT ABOUT IMPROVING THE TOASTER RESOLUTION (so it will not have 
some jaggies when the image is compressed?)

  My view of NewTek for the future:

   * Release Toaster 3.0
   * Continue working on old Toaster
   * Work on a new Toaster for PC's or the Mac's

  I don't know why, but I don't think that NewTek will continue sticking
to the Amiga market for the distant future....

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:02:07 GMT

Perhaps the top people at Newtek simply want the Toaster to be an
'appliance', and therefore see IBMs/Macs as a better road t follow.

Surely, they would have a easier time selling them to businesses who might
need them if it were a 'graphics box', rather than an Amiga computer with an
add-on.

By the way, HOW does the Toaster do neat graphics things.  As a matter
of fact, WHAT can a toaster do, specifically?  

I know it is generally a whiz-bang graphics producer, but the only time I ever
saw one working was a really lousy demo on Computer Chronicles some time ago.
Hmm?

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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:49:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.214730.12952@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Quoth linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville):
>]> Most people use the largest portion of their HD space for 'scratch' space.  I
>]> know that I use mine that way.  When that last 20 megs becomes of critical
>]> importance, buy a bigger drive.  You obviously need the space anyway.  

>Could you give me a little hard data on what constitutes "most" people?  I for
>one see more people on the verge of running out of room than people who aren't,
>both peecee and Amiga.  If IDE's are THAT cheap, I don't understand how they
>ended up in such a situation.  From my own personal experience I know it ain't
>so, but I suppose I am a lone exception, eh?

Perhaps it is pretentious to speak for 'most' people.  How about 'nearly every
person I know and most that I have talked to about such things'?

For what it's worth, all the IDE's that I have seen ARE 'that cheap'?

>Reminds me of one fellow's answer to the inefficiency of certain Mac software:
>"just add memory -- it's cheap!"  Well, it's Nov 1992 and it isn't cheap anymore,
>is it?

It is not as cheap as it was 3-4 weeks ago, but that doesn't mean it isn't 
still cheap.

>]> Your quibbling over a few megabytes of HD space is invalid.  At least, on a
>]> PC, HD space is cheap.  At less than $2/meg, get all you can.  Then you won't
>]> give yourself an ulcer worrying about how much space your OS is using.
>
>That's a sorry excuse.  It's that way of thinking that got us gas lines in the
>70's.  In this case I'll quibble all I want to -- MY operating system will fit
>in less than 2 megs, while OS/2 reqires around 10x that to be effective.

Aren't you a stud?  Your OS will fit in less than 2 megs!  Hooray!

Your OS is mostly in ROM, and it doesn't provide any sort of memory protection
or virtual memory.  It also doesn't include the ability to virtualize a DOS
environment or run Windows programs.  Finally, the 2 megs that you are trying 
to compare to 20 megs doesn't contain anywhere near the number of applets that
come with OS/2 in that 20 megs.

For that matter, OS/2 doesn't require anywhere near 20 megs of storage to be
effective as you state.  The system can boot of a floppy (without PM) and have
all of the non-PM OS features available.  A fully functional PM system only
requires about 12 megs of storage (possible more for swapfile on low-memory
systems).  More than 2 megs?  Sure!  But well worth it.

John W. Linville




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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:11:48 GMT

David,

Your post was (as usual) a well-reasoned and fair comparison.

The original point of my comment was that the OS/2 default method is (as you
acknowledged) 'better.'  Actually, the original original point was that ray-
tracing and similar tasks can be handled by a PC just as well as they can be
handled by an Amiga.  Plus, with a PC, you can get some real CPU speed for
a reasonable price.

As far as me being no more informed than the guy that I referred to as a moron,
at least I was not dumb enough to say something like 'PCs can't and never will
multitask,' which is essentially what he said.

John W. Linville

P.S.  As far as I know, OS/2's scheduling algorithm has essentially not changed
since 1.3 (at least in the context of this discussion).  
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:34:06 GMT

In article <37213@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

[ ]
>
>Very few CD-ROM drives currently support multi-session, *BUT* there's
>nothing that forces the "user" to have his discs updated to create
>multi-session discs.  Of course it is cheaper that way, but at this
>stage, I'm not sure cost is a real object.

I'm sitting at a MacIIvi (which didn't cost that much more than my CDTV) and
it has a great multi-session Photo CD compatible Sony drive. In a year, any
CD-ROM that is not "multispin" (i.e. 300kB/s) and does not support
multi-session Photo CD's will simply not sell. It is very important for CDTV
to have this capability. Putting out the A570 on a non-AGA computer and
an A570 without Photo CD capability has not done CDTV very much good. People
need reasons to get CD-ROM readers. Kodak Photo CD capability is a very
good one.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore, here's a clue
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:31:45 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <1ebqajINNev8@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
> >UGH.. Let the 3000 die.  It was a good computer in it's time, but now it iis
> >old, dated, and most importantly EXPENSIVE technology.  The 4000 is more
> >refined, cheaper to produce, cheaper to sell, and has newer technology.
> 
> 	With all this talk of the A4000 being cheap, why isn't it cheaper
>     to BUY?  I know, I know, I said it again.  I just couldn't resist, A4000
>     being associated with the word cheap was just to much for me. :) 
> 
Too right!

I've got an A3000 and I'm not about to rush out and buy an A4000 just yet.
I don't consider the A3000 old and dated.  I don't even consider my B2000
(runing KS1.3) and my A500 (KS1.2) old and dated.

If I had tons of cash to chuck about I may feel diferently.  Any donations
to the "get Kevin a new computer appeal 1992" are greatly appreciated :-)

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:27:24 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov23.014704.23178@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (M.S. Ashton) writes:
> How can 16bit(65536 colour) graphics be "true colour".
> 16 doesn't divide by three,so it's obviously not based on Red/Green/Blue 
> combinations.Nice graphics,yes,but true colour???

Well usually 16-bit "true-color" amounts to 5-5-5 RGB + 1 extra bit
or 5-6-5 RGB which accounts for the human factors consideration that
the eye is most sensitive to green luminosity.

The extra bit can be used for a genlock transparency bit some
similar video related function.

Whether 32768 or 65536 "colors" is true-color or not is a matter
of definition...

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From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMOS vs. C approach
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:41:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lewis) says:

>programmer, but unfortunately, doesn't fully adhere to Amiga standards.  
What do you consider to be AMIGA STANDARDS?  The RKMs or something else?

I do C and AMOS.  I do C for my work (all UNIX) and I use AMOS at home.
Why?  Because AMOS is so much simpler and I can get a lot done without
the RKMs.  It also takes less time.  I know a lot of people complain
about AMOS because it is slow and takes up so much space.  With the way
disk space and memory is growing, I don't think those are any factors at all.
You can buy giga drives and 16Mb RAM.  Sure, if you wrote a game that used all
that space/mem, you wouldn't have much of an audience.  At least not for a
decade or so.  :)  Even the ASM/C programs have gotten larger and take up
more space on drives and RAM.

My .01 worth.  I say just use AMOS if you like it.  If not, use C or ASM.

Mike
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:24:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.224148.6464@gw.wmich.edu> 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
[about OS/2 needing mega-space for GUI support]

>	Similarly, if Amigados was expected to Run MS-Windows and MS-Dos
>you too would have to add the over 18 megabytes of garbabge to your hard
>drive.

Well, I don't claim to know much about OS/2, but AmigaDOS already has a
GUI and doesn't need to run an external GUI.  I'd figure OS/2 would have
it's own GUI.  Hmmm clone users?  (I'm not saying emulation isn't nice BTW.)

>							-Brad

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.204625.1707@msus1.msus.edu> lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>Marc, take this to .advocacy right now.  I grow tired of reading your posts
>in these other newsgroups where the subject matter belongs in .advocacy.

   I did!  :-)

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From: etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors  TX/DKF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:00:25 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:

>What promted me to reply was that you said you could see little difference
>between an Amiga Shell and DOS (presumably COMMAND.COM) on a PC.  That's just
>ludicrous, and someone who uses Unix shells should know better.


What i meant was that although the commands differs, the things you can do
is almost the same. Of course you dont have pipes or backgrounding processes
on the PC, and you can only have 8 character long filenames. But you can 
still do your basic copying files (although i hate messy dos copy comands syntax)
deleteing files, starting your favourite editor. And since nothing can compare
to unix i don`t care what os i use.

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.173349.16085@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
|> In article <1ea5vnINN24g@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
|> writes:
|> 
|> >>But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
|> >>user needs from 3.0. 
|> 
|> >DataTypes and AmigaGuide are both two BIG things that aren't in 2.1,
|> >but are in 3.0 in full force.
|> 
|> Same goes for the palette selector and MultiPlayer. With AmigaGuide however,
|> the library is distributed with many software packages, so once it becomes
|> more ubiquitous, the 2.1/3.0 distinction will be less of a concern.

Waitasechere...

That BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING new palette requester, one of the main reasons I put
my life on the line by posting a review of a beta 3.0 WorkBench, is **NOT**
included in Wb 2.1?? Does that mean the Gadgets drawer is also absent?

I liked MultiPlayer, too...

Well, sh*t... what **IS** in WB 2.1???

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From: j_hammon@csd.uwe.ac.uk (J Hammond-turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:13:02 GMT
Organization: MicroSword Software

In article <1ebnh3INNbdj@crcnis1.unl.edu> pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) writes:
>sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston) writes:
>
[Stuff about 3.0 compatibility deleted]

I just installed my very old Amiga B2000 to rekick V39.106 (that's 3.0, of
course) from my basic 1.3 Rom Kickstart. It's very compatible, quite stable and
very nice to use. Oh yea - quite big, too!! But I know of 3.0 being used on 1.3
A500s in all sorts of configurations - all you need is 512K of ram at $200000
to put the rekick image in. The OS takes care of looking after itself in terms
of configuration - it determines the processor type, the chip set available,
memory, the works - just as is has from 2.0 onwards. That's the whole reason
for CBM making each new revision backwards compatible - legal programs have no
problems, and well-coded programs recognise the extra facilities by USING THE
OS... 

Enough spouting, anyway - Thanx CBM for a good new release - and for a great
developer support program (in the UK, that is!)

Joel






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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.050929.14127@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez) writes:
>
>   * Work on a new Toaster for PC's or the Mac's

     Tosterlink for Macintosh should be released by now.
     Tosterlink for IBM should be out in the near future.

Disclaimer:  I am not affiliated with NewTek.  I only spoke to their
             rep. over the phone.

                                                          -TKH '92
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