HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Subject: Write-protecting the 8" floppies? (was Re: PDP system to good home)
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:30:40 GMT

In article <F57318C6020B800C58@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
daffy@physics.monash.edu.au is selling the following stuff:
>
>DECSystem:
>	PDP-11/23+
>	256k memory
>	2 x RL02 hard disk drives
>	1 x RX01 floppy drive (external)	<- $30 , that's what it cost me
>	RT-11 V5.05 system with FORTRAN
>	about 160 Megs worth of hard disk packs
etc.

Just curious:
How does RT-11 handle 'large' disks like RL02 (10MB)? Does it keep all
the files (6+3 char. names) in one huge directory, or is it possible to
partition disk to separate 'sub'-directories?
(I have almost similar combination, but with RSX-11M & 2MB RAM instead.)

And then what I was really asking:

Is it possible to write-protect eight inch RX01 floppies? (single side,
single density, 26 soft sectors, 128 bytes, 256 KB capacity if I remember
right) By cutting hole somewhere, but where? The machine is PDT-11/150
and OS is RT-11 V4.something. If write protection that way is not
possible, would it be possible by putting some switch to write-enable
(or whatever) wire in the drive itself?

You can answer by mail, I will then tell the correct answer if there's
any... Thanks.

-- 
Antti Karttunen       --  $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J  (et{ty|t|n)
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: <None>
From: <sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:55:39 EDT
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>
Return-Path: <sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>

     I need help installing my BA11k expansion box to my pdp11/34..
It wont boot up correctly when I hook the unibus connection up to it. It
will send nothing to the terminal and nothing shows up on the display of
the CPU. The processor however is running according to an LED on the CPU box.

     I took all the boards out of it that dont look like memory and tried
again with no luck... I get the sdame result...



HERE IS A PICTURE OF WHAT I'M DOING:


|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|      |  unibus in      |                                             |
|      | ............................................................. |
|      |                                                               |
|      | ............................................................. |
|      |                                                               |
|      | ............................................................. |
|      |  unibus bridge  |                                             |
|      | ............................................................. |
|      |  unibus bridge   |                                            |
|      |                                                               |
------------------------------------------------------------------------

   /\                               /\
   ||                               ||
Power Supply                   The UNIBUS slots
                         (there are actuallly more)




Between the Unibus in and the bridge over to the next set of slots are
the controller boards. On the other set of slots are the boards which look
like memory.




PLEASE can someone tell me what I am doing wrong....
OR did I FRY my expansion box....







                                                     Kevin V. Sobilo
                                                 sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu
From: jn@ukc.ac.uk (J.Nash)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: PDP11 cross assembler and GT40 code
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:16:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I have recently acquired a GT40 (PDP11/05 + graphics hardware/vector
display) and I'm now looking for a cross assembler.  Ideally, I'd like
to plug my Acorn Archimedes into the back, write/assemble on that, then
download into the GT40.  Of course, this means having the assembler
source in C so that I can first compile that on the Arc.

Does anyone know of where I can get a PDP11 assembler written in C?

Also, anyone got any GT40 programs that I could have and run on this beast?
(A few years ago, I saw a lunar lander running on the box, but I've
been unable to track that down in our Computing Laboratory, I suspect our
copy has been lost forever :-().

Many Thanks.
	
	Jarod Nash
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re:  Unix on PDP-11's
From: <mcc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 10:23:52 -0700
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>

Regardless of operating system or user environment one prefers, a PDP11 is a
nice machine to use to learn programming.  Not coding that one can learn on
any platform but programming where one has to make rationale (or irrationale)
decisions about how resources are utilized and learn the techniques needed to
write efficient software on any platform that you might later use.

Merton Campbell Crockett
mcc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Making BRUSYS Tapes on RSX11M+
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.162524.6057@cco.caltech.edu>, varsik@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu writes:
> I am not able to make a bootable BRUSYS tape on our observatory's
> PDP-11 system.
> 
> This is my hardware configuration:
> 
> 	PDP-11/44, 4 MB RAM with a QNIVERTER UNIBUS to Q-bus adapter
> 	System Industries 9751-C disk (emulates RA-81) with UDA-50
> 		controller
> 	Tandberg TDI 1050 tape with Western Peripherals TC-130
> 		controller (emulates TU-10)
> 	Cipher 990 tape with Emulex TC03 controller (emulates
> 		TK-25)
> 
> and I'm running RSX-11M+ version 3.0D.
> 
> Although the tape drives can boot various diagnostic tapes, I can't
> seem to make a BRUSYS tape that will work.  If I attempt to
> boot from a BRUSYS tape I have made using the VMR SAVE command,
> the tape advances slightly from load point and freezes.
> I get no message from the console.
> 
> I use the procedure in the BRU manual to make the tape (when logged in as
> SYSTEM):
> 
> 	> ALL MT0:
> 	> MOU MT0:/FOR
> 	> SET /UIC=[6,54]
> 	> RUN VMRM42
> 	ENTER FILENAME: BRUSYS
> 	VMR> SAVE MT:BRUSYS
> 	VMR> <CTRL-Z>
> 	>
> 

Have you a) looked in the error log? b) tryed the MS?

Every thing you hae done seems OK. My suspicion is controller not beeing
perfectaly TM-11 like, but why only for vmrm42??

~paul
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: requesting info on VT103 internals
From: Ken Wellsch <kcwellsc@math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:39:29 -0400
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>

Could some kind soul familiar with the internal layout of a VT103 give me
a quick rundown on board placement, cabling etc.?  As is so often the
case, I saved an old VT103 from the dumpster but naturally all the boards
had been removed and put in a box.  I'm not sure of the Q-bus pattern on
the four slot backplane and don't wish to fry anything by experimenting.
Also, I've no idea what might be missing cable/parts-wise.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: UNIX for 18-bit pdp-11: s...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:55:38 GMT

In article <14SEP199209513425@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
...
> 	Still remember the following the following conversation at one
> 	DECUS meeting, in a question and answer session.
> 
> 	Person at the mike:	OK, can you tell me any really good reasons
> 				for canning our PDP11's?
	Developer:		...mumble,mumble

> 	Person at the mike:	Maybe you didn't listen when ...

Ah, Frank has discovered the invention of the oxy-moron. :-)

~Paul
From: savolainen_p@salcjkl.salcom.fi (Pekka Savolainen, Salcom Finland)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Character test
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:02:11 EET
Organization: Salcom Finland, Jyvaskyla Finland

Howdy,

Please, tell me what the following characters look to you:

|{}
\[]

Thanks,


Pekka

p.s. (Dec multinational Nordic chars, hopefully ;)
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From: acs_mn@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Test #3574
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:02:11 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Hi Ho!
Hi Ho!
It's off to work we go...

:):):):):):):):):):):):):)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: I've read everything here.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:37:17 GMT

And my, what a stimulating discussion we're not having.

Steve
Testing...
--
Language is a virus from Outer Space.      |-----------------------------|
And hearing your name                      | Steve Tilson                |
Is better                                  | sdt8s@poe.acc.virginia.edu  |
Than seeing your face.   (Laurie Anderson) |-----------------------------|
From: acs_mn@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Test #3576
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:13:59 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Hi Ho!
Hi Ho!
It's off to work we go...

:):):):):):):):):):):):):)
From: meredpw@wkuvx1.bitnet (Paul Meredith)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: test - test
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:16:28 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

just a test!
-- 

------

Paul Meredith, Western Kentucky Univeristy - Computer Science
     MEREDPW@WKUVX1.BITNET
     MEREDITH%WKU_UNIX.UUCP@WKUVX1.BITNET
From: system@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: TeSt
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:56:54 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Testing...
          1...
              2...
                  3...
From: toxendine@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Re: test
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:21:03 GMT
Organization: Pembroke State University

In article <1992Sep3.084250.1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu>, oxendine@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
> This is a test-- 
> 
> =============================================================================
> Terry Oxendine                |      Bitnet:  oxendine@pembvax1.bitnet
> Pembroke State University     |    Internet:  oxendine@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
> Systems Admin/Prog            |       Voice:  919-521-9793
> University Computing and      |   Facsimile:  919-521-1214
>  Information Services         |   
> Pembroke, NC 28372
> =============================================================================
This is a followup
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Re: I've read everything here.
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:17:59 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep14.033717.29062@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
> And my, what a stimulating discussion we're not having.
> 
> Steve
> Testing...
> --
> Language is a virus from Outer Space.      |-----------------------------|

  Well just most of those that we actually use ;-)

> And hearing your name                      | Steve Tilson                |
> Is better                                  | sdt8s@poe.acc.virginia.edu  |
> Than seeing your face.   (Laurie Anderson) |-----------------------------|
-- 

Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	      Tel: (0382) 308810
From: robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: <None>
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:48:31 CDT
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

testing... 1 2 3 

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Eden    817-897-0491                                 Glen Rose, TX
Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station            robert@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ politicese for a nuke plant
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jsuter@dnz.rws.nl
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: Re: test
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:49:16 UTC
Organization: Rijkswaterstaat Directie Noordzee  Hoek van Holland

In article <1992Sep3.084250.1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu>, oxendine@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
> This is a test-- 
> 
> =============================================================================
> Terry Oxendine                |      Bitnet:  oxendine@pembvax1.bitnet
> Pembroke State University     |    Internet:  oxendine@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
> Systems Admin/Prog            |       Voice:  919-521-9793
> University Computing and      |   Facsimile:  919-521-1214
>  Information Services         |   
> Pembroke, NC 28372
> =============================================================================

Well I'm trying if this is working

Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: RE: Trapping bounced mail.
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:25:09 GMT

In article <00960654.3C37AE60.13396@WKUVX1.BITNET>, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET> writes:
>"J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire" <chris@CSVAX1.UCC.IE> writes:
>>
>>Is there any way that I can have a copy of mail that is to be 'bounced'
>>back to the sender sent to the POSTMASTER.
>>
>Currently, there's not....
>
>>If it is not possible, then what are the chances of having the option
>>in the next version.. (You reading this Hunter and Matt  :)
>>
>I think it'd be a useful option to have, and have already planned to
>add that sometime.

I think that having the ability to have a copy of the HEADERS of all bounced
mail forwarded to the POSTMASTER would be a nice feature.  However, I don't
think the body of the message need be forwarded as well.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: "Michael L. Hitch" <osymh%trex.oscs.montana.edu@MTSUNIX1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: Username Lengths-Looking for an Explanation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:09:44 MDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

 "James F. Burnett--University of Texas-PanAm" <burnett@PANAM.BITNET> writes:
=> We created a new user with a 9 character username.  That user logged
=> in and subscribed to a couple of mailing lists(both very active lists)
=> and began receiving mail--well, almost began receiving mail.  The mail
=> reached here just fine, but somewhere along the route, the username
=> was truncated to 8 characters.  MX attempted to find the truncated
=> username here, was unable to do so, generated an error reply, and sent
=> it back where it came from.
...
=> I need an explanation of why this is happening.  Is it related to
=> BITNET, INTERNET, MX, all of the above, none of the above, or
=> what ?  I've been aware for quite some time that the length of the
=> POSTMAST(ER) account has been an issue but never had thought of it in
=> terms of other usernames.  Is there a more convenient way to deal with
=> the problem than having to remember to limit usernames to 8 or less
=> characters or defining aliases ?  After all, VMS allows 12 character
=> usernames.

   We have this kind of problem quite frequently.  It is probably caused by
the 8 character restriction on BITNET.  All files transferred across the
BITNET links are limited to 8 characters for the file name, user name, and
the node names.  If a BITNET site is running a reasonably smart mailer, it
can package a mail message up and send it as a BSMTP (Batch Simple Mail
Transfer Protocl) file.  This BSMTP file has the complete mail address inside
the file so nothing gets lost.  If a BITNET site is running a mailer that justs
sends the mail as a file to a user at the remote node, the destination user
name is limited to 8 characters.  We are running UREP 3.5 (I think) which will
catch an attempt to have a user name longer than 8 characters and return an
error message [the error message is mis-leading, since it just says that user
name doesn't exist - the urep error log file indicates why].  An earlier
version of UREP did not do this, it just truncated the name to 8 characters and
sent the file on it's merry way.

   Part of the problem may be that a BITNET site may not have updated it's
mailer tables to know that PANAM.BITNET will accept BSMTP mail and attempts to
send the mail file using the user name as the destination user.
---
Michael L. Hitch                        osymh@msu.oscs.montana.edu
Computer Consultant                     OSYMH@MTSUNIX1.BITNET
Office of Systems and Computing Services
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT     USA
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Need Help
From: kliu@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:45:56 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Hi:

        I installed CMUTEK 6.6 and MX 2.3 on VMS 5.5. The MX is great
except one problem. I define the logic name SONNET to MX%.

        DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SONNET MX%

Then I use the follwowing steps to send mails:

        $MAIL
        MAIL> SEND
        TO: SONNET"kliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu"

The receiver will get the mail but have X-Mx-Warning as following:

___________________________________________________________________________
From kliu@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu Thu Sep 10 14:23:13 1992
Received: from ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu by top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.
910213)
        id AA05369; Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:23:10 -0400
Received: by ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu (MX V2.3) id 386; Thu, 10 Sep 1992
          14:22:31 EDT
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:22:31 EDT
From: kliu@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu
X-Mx-Warning:   Warning -- Invalid "To" header.
To: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu"@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu
Message-Id: <0096069C.EA336520.386@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: test with sonnet
Status: OR
____________________________________________________________________________

        Can anyone give me some advises? Thank you!


        Kuo-Ching Liu
        E-mail: kliu@ccl4.eng.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
From: madison@Drago.TGV.COM (Matt Madison)
Subject: Re: MCP access violates
Reply-To: madison@tgv.com
Organization: TGV, Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:05:29 GMT

In article <009605CE.A347EC40.27198@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes:
>On a third note, I dumped the MAILQUEUE image and saw references to X400_INFO
>and X.400.  If this a feature that will possibly appear later (an X.400 agent)?

Because adding support in the queue entry structures requires a recompile
of all the MX source code, the last time I added some I added fields to
handle all of the additional delivery mechanisms I was considering at the
time.  I never did any work on an X.400 agent, though.

-Matt
--
Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com    | +1 408 427 4366
TGV, Inc.       | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA
From: "Mark geib@vistanm.com" <geib@vistanm.com>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Help for MX
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 10:46:39 MDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Is there a mail list which I can subscribe to which I can direct questions
regarding MX.  I am having trouble with a few areas and need to ask soe
questions of current MX users.

Thanks.
        Mark Geib
        Vista Control Systems, Inc.
From: muz@mpabas.mpa.uni-stuttgart.de (J. Muz)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: subscribe
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:05:23 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

SUBSCRIBE
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: Trapping bounced mail.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:42:16 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

"J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire" <chris@CSVAX1.UCC.IE> writes:
>
>Is there any way that I can have a copy of mail that is to be 'bounced'
>back to the sender sent to the POSTMASTER.
>
Currently, there's not....

>If it is not possible, then what are the chances of having the option
>in the next version.. (You reading this Hunter and Matt  :)
>
I think it'd be a useful option to have, and have already planned to
add that sometime.

FYI: the big project that I'm working on that's still keeping me from MX
work is planned for completion *before* January 1, so you should
expect a new version of MX before or around that date.

Sorry to have to put everybody on hold, but MX V3.1C seems to be
very stable....

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: Ed Bates <ebates@vms1.cc.uop.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE:  Setting host names for Sender and Return path
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:36:47 PDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

"J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire" <chris@CSVAX1.UCC.IE> wrote:
>In a previous article, <ault@queens.EDU> wrote:
>>Subject: Setting host names for Sender and Return path
>>
>>I want to be able to get certain recalcitrant listserv's (info-vax and
>>lanworks, to name two) to send to me @queens.edu.  My local host name is not
>>going to be stable in the next few months, but @queens.edu will always be
 valid
>>(at least as long as I'm here, since it's my baliwick).  We're a relatively
 new
>>Internet site and I'd like to get some way of doing subscriptions that won't
>>use local host names before turning our users loose and having to re-subscribe
>>the world when we change host names.  Note that we don't have a local DNS so I
>>can't diddle DNS settings at will.
>>
>>Thanks
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Richard H. Ault, Computing Services Center      ault@queens.edu
>>Queens College, 1900 Selwyn Ave                 ault@alumni.caltech.edu
>>Charlotte, NC 28274-0001                        (704) 337-2303
>
>I can think of two possible things you could do.
>1. Presumably all mail is routed through QUEENS.EDU, you could change the
>   rewrite rules there on mail messages. So that @host.queens.edu becomes
>   @queens.edu
>2. Use MLFAKE to do the subscriptions to whatever lists you want to subscribe
>   to.

We had desired to do the same thing, Richard.  The way we did it, though
the documentation discourages it, is by changing the MX_VMSMAIL_LOCALHOST
logical in MX_LOGICALS.DAT.

In our case, the local computer is VMS1.CC.UOP.EDU.  Defining the logical
to "@uop.edu" caused all messages from the local computer to appear to be
from UOP.EDU.

If there is a better way, I would like to know about it...

-- Ed

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