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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: Unspoken Words
Summary: How do you say that?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172927.14030@athena.mit.edu>, kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
> Scooter Corleone writes:
> 
> >As a person who reads a lot, I find I have a large vocabulary of words 
> >that I have only read; I've never spoken them or heard them. As a result, I
> >know what the words mean, but I don't always know how to pronounce them.
> >I was wondering if other readers had noticed this unspoken words phenomenon.
> 
> Scooter, no worries, there's two of us anyway. In college, I remember
> lectures where lecturing prof uses word in strange context. That was when I
> started to wonder. Two favorites:  magnanimous amd entrepreneur. Although I
> have also noticed east coast and west coast differences in studying Plato. 
> For example: I studied the "cryto", here they study the "kreeto", Socrates's
> dialogic companions I consider as his "interlockuters" here they speak
> of "interlow/cueters". I think these differences originate in where, and
> from who, you learned Greek. My wife corrects me all the time and the
> virtue of knowing that I'm not sure of pronounciation has caused me to
> a) slow down my reading and b)have a dictionary handy at all times.
> 
> Any other confessors out there?
> 
> Keith 
> 
OK, I guess there must three of us.  I won't admit how much time passed 
between my first exposure to this particular word, and my learning of its'
correct pronounciation, but it was a LONG time.

The word:  paradigm
Correct pronounciation:  par-a-dime
My wrong pronounciation:  par-a-digum (I'm so embarassed!)

When I first realized how badly I had been mangling the word, I spent
about twenty minutes trying to recall if I had ever actually used "paradigum"
in a conversation with anyone. I don't think I did...

Boy, that felt good to get that off my chest!

Frank 

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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:49:18 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art,. Athens

In article <Brt901.FIy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.132513.29828@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>>
>>But do atheists _go_ anywhere when they die?
>
>Asimov himself wrote that he'd prefer nothingness, as he doesn't consider the
>standard image of 'heaven' to be appropriate for any rational man...

The problem with Asimov was the he felt (feels, is he dead?) that reality would
actually shape itself into what he thought it should be. If you disagree read
the intro to "Before the Golden Years". 




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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great American Novel
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:27:38 GMT
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Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul29.204709.26622@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod  
Williams) writes:
> Another candidate for your inspection:
> 
>           Gore Vidal, "Myra Breckenridge"

I thought Myra Breckenridge was OK, but I always prefered Vidal's
historicals (though I wouldn't call them Great American Novels).
Julian, Burr, Empire, and Lincoln are all worth reading.

--
Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer
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From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: Great American Novel
Organization: haphazard, at best
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 17:17:14 GMT

In article <4954@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> 
> In article <17JUL199211414560@portal.lasc.lockheed.com>  
> le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025)) writes:
> >
> >my  list of the greatest American novels is (in no real order)
> > 
> > Huckleberry Finn    - Twain
> > All the King's Men  - Warren
> > Grapes of Wrath     - Steinbeck
> > Lonesome Dove       - McMurtry
> > Look Homeward Angel - Wolfe
> > 

> 
> I'd add to the the list:
> 
> Moby Dick   --  Melville
> As I Lay Dying  -- Faulkner
> The Sound and the Fury -- Faulkner
> Mr. Samler's Planet  -- Bellow
> Wise Blood -- O'Connor
> 
> I'd also consider a few science fiction novels as among the better
> novels of the last forty years:
> 
> A Canticle for Leibowitz  -- Miller
> Dying Inside  -- Silverberg
> The Man in the High Castle  -- Dick
> The Dispossessed  -- Le Guin
> 
> --
>
Don't forget 'tough guy fiction'

Maltese Falcon
Postman Always Ring Twice


Jon   jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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"It only takes a drop of fear to curdle love into hate." - James M. Cain
From: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Date: 22 Jul 1992 16:35:25 GMT
Organization: CS Division, UC Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Jul22.013857.2385@athena.mit.edu>, kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) quotes:
|> 
|> 	It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was
|> the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of
|> belief, it was the age of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it
|> was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the
|> winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before
|> us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the
|> other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period,
|> that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received,
|> for good, or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

Well, it starts out OK, but it would be nice if one of the pairs of phrases
before the dash weren't a simple opposition -- nobody who's paying
attention would have any trouble filling in the blank after "season of
Light", or even "spring of hope".  (Admittedly, he changes "epoch" to
"age", but without clear effect except perhaps in rhythm.)  And what
follows "in short" is hardly expressed "in short", and fails (for me) as
conclusion because of the vagueness of "authorities" and "received".  So,
just as the assemblage of Shakespeare lines recently posted as proof that
Shakespeare was great will leave the Bard-immune still immune, this leaves
me still comfortable with my prejudice -- yes, a hack.  :)

Vance
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Escobar of Escobar Hall
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:14:06 GMT

Douglas Harper writes:

	This in today's paper:

		Bogota, Colombia (AP) -- Drug boss Pablo Escobar likely
		disguised himself as a woman and promised soldiers huge 
		sums of money when he escaped from prison last week, 
		according to an army report.

	I'll bet he was disguised as a washerwoman.

Indeed. But for our less literary folk let's add that he was disguised as
a toad disguised as a washerwoman.

	Toad he went a-pleasuring
	Gaily down the road
	They put him in prison for twenty years
	Poor Old Toad!

	Toad he had a beautiful house
	A most refined abode
	They put him in prison for twenty years
	Poor Old Toad!

	Toad he had money and goods
	All carefully disposed
	They put him in prison for twenty years
	Poor Old Toad!

CHIEF WEASEL: Chorus please

	Poor Old Toad!
	Poor Old Toad!
	They put him in prison for twenty years
	Poor Old Toad!

NURSE: Marigold, Marigold! It's time we went, dear! 
MARIGOLD sighs gently, and stirs a little in her sleep.

With apologies to AA Milne who, in turn, apologizes to Kenneth Grahame.

						Fido

PS If you play Maddox backwards you hear from the devil himself:

	XODDAM!

and his nom de net, MAD DOG, barks out

	GODDAM!
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From: china@cqs.washington.edu (Peter Westhagen)
Subject: Voodoo
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:19:13 GMT


Does anyone know of any well written, fictionalized voodoo stories that 
stick to the facts, that is educational and entertaining?

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From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Bathroom reading
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:49:09 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS


_NYT Book Review_ contains almost exactly one week's worth of
craps and baths in our house.  Or at least reading material thereof.

meg

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Unspoken Words
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:43:25 GMT
Organization: Loose Affiliation of Millionaires and Billionaires and Baby

Francis Muir writes:
>
>Another mathematical one. I have never met an American wdo did not
>mispronounce Sturm-Liouville as Sturm-Louisville. It makes the
>relative positions of Math and Baseball in AmeriKult quite clear.
>

Considering that the Avg American cannot pronounce Louisville,
how does that make things clear? [On a positive note, the
baseball bat people have returned to Louisville. Francis didn't
know -- and in his ivory tower probably didn't care -- but the
bat people had flown the belfry for awhile.]

Addition: "hypocrisy." You don't want to know and I don't want to
indicate the original head arrangement of that one.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Repeat after me:
From: C.D.Hall@cm.cf.ac.uk (C D Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Philip K. Dick query
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:49:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


    For MANY years now, I have been trying to obtain a copy of Philip K. Dick's
book "The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch" but CANNOT seem to find it anywhere

    Is this book out of print?If so, for how long?I cannot even find old copies
in secondhand booksellers - is it rare or simply unpopular?

    I would very much appreciate any information about this.Please e-mail me.

/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: help w/ origin of quote
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:08:31 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

No, it's the summer sale of artic camping equipment:

"Now is the discount of our winter tents"

  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
		      "Every absurdity has it's defender"
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From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Fiction with scientists (WAS Re: Asimov and the Decay of SF
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:30:03 GMT

In article <cbOq02Ha1brz01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:
>Joanne Eglash wrote:

 >      Can anyone recommend fiction (both by authors in previous
 >      decades and current writers) in which the subject of science
 >      and scientists is handled intelligently?

>_The_Dispossessed_, Ursula Kroeber LeGuin

>The unfortunate garish cover of the current paperback
>edition disguises a wonderful novel.  Six stars out of
>a possible five.

Alas, I don't think this does it.  I consider _The Disposessed_ to be on the
short list for the best sf novel ever, but its treatment of science and
scientists isn't particularly realistic.

I have no alternative on tap,  but my spies report favorably
on _The Gold Bug Variations_.

			Chuck Smythe
>Joel Hanes


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From: vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni)
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Keywords: fiction endings
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:50:36 GMT


    Well, despite - I assure you - my best efforts to the contrary, I find 
    I am, quite simply, (possibly excusably) constitutionally incapable of 
    allowing this thread continue without saying (and calmly, really calmly):

        Bananafish !!! 
        (You're all forgetting bananafish !)


    There. Much better, thank you.



    Disclaimer: Nowhere once is this article have I used the word "portmanteau".
--
    Massachusetts (also an Indian word, meaning "place that is hard to spell")
    is one of the most historic states in the union, which is why each year
    tens of thousands of visitors flock here, only to be killed in traffic.
        - Dave Barry
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Dickens vs. Twain
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:13:23 GMT


rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:

>   I've always seen a parallel between these two...both were late 19th
> century novelists, both saw themselves as social prophets of a sort,
> and both concerned themselves with their society's outcasts in their
> novels.

>   So who do you prefer?

Flaubert.


Mark
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:59:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts):
>>	It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was
>>the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was...
>
>OK, that *is* a great opening sentence. But in general I tend
>to think that the trouble with Dickens is "too many words!".

The first issue of Discover magazine (which I failed to save) had
an article about the then-new Writer's Workbench program.  Mostly
as a joke, they ran this opening 'sentence' through the program,
and got told (not surprisingly) that it was too long.  In fact,
said the program, it appears to be a list, and would probably be
better rendered as such:  "The times were:  the best and worst,
the age of wisdom and foolishness..."

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
   recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
				-- John Blasik
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:49:46 GMT

Fiona Webster writes:

	Mark Taranto writes:

		The SubGenius (who I wish would write 
		under a REAL name) writes:

	Gee, Mark, you never said that to a certain F. Oceanstar.

Perhaps for the good reason that OceanStar -- Stella Maris to us
afficionadi --  was your real name. Webster is merely a cultural
conceit.

	still unREAL,

	Spider Woman

Now that's better.

							Fido


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From: msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: The Conquest
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:29:19 GMT

                                      Saturday, the 25th of July, 1992

Roger Squires recounts a trip to the library looking for books
about Mexico. 

I'll add just a comment or two:
 	For the conquest, I found Castillo, but in the worst edition
 	possible: a facsimile of an 1800 edition of awful quality,
 	and where the esses look like effs, so you get sentences like:
 		Nothing was to be feen or fpoken of but felling lands
 		to purchafe arms and horfes, quilting coats of mail,
 		making bread, and falting pork for fea ftore.
 	God.  But I've started it and am enjoying it.  Haven't found
 	Cortes' letters, but I did find an abridged Prescott (unlike
 	you I like abridgements, if they are well done).

If the f for s substitution is the *only* problem with the Castillo,
you might try giving it a go anyway. My experience is that it'll
turn out really less difficult than it looks, that it'll only take
you a few pages or so and you'll get used to it.

I'm viscerally anti-abridgement of course, but I really can't imagine
why one would want any part of one's Prescott removed.

 	And I found one you haven't mentioned!?!
 		_The War of Conquest, How It Was Waged Here in Mexico_
 		"The Aztecs' Own Story As Given to Fr. Bernardino
 		de Sahagun, Rendered into Modern English by
 		Arthur J. O. Anderson and Charles E. Dibble",
        	U. of Utah Press, 1978, ISBN 0-87480-111-7

I would love to find a copy of Sahagun complete. He, along with
Cortes' Letters, Castillo's book, and Bartolome de las Casas, is
one of Prescott's big sources (at the end of each chapter, Prescott
will have an Appendix in which he sketches the life and discusses
the relative merits of one of these chroniclers). Sahagun actually
got out and learned Nahuatl and transcribed the Indians' own stories
and so is one of the really big sources for the pre-Conquest history
of the Aztec Empire (since the Spanish in their zeal burned almost
all of the Aztecs' own books). It's my understanding that Sahagun's work
complete is multivolume.

Also, I have _Life in Mexico_ by Frances Calderon de la Barca. It
looks interesting, but I probably won't read it as part of the present 
thread, because it is historically later.

Someday I would like to read a good history of the Mexican Revolution.
I'd be interested to learn what you find is the best treatment of
this.

And, I thank you too, Roger.

                Mike Morris
          (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)


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From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:58:34 GMT

In article <rdippold.711935644@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>>Most athiests and agnostics are the same.  They think there is no god,
>>>they admit it is possible but unlikely and that nobody knows for certain.
>>>There's no difference between them.
>
>>My perspective here is that atheist seems to be derogatory and agnostic more
>>positive in the sense that I find in my experience atheists out to prove that
>>God doesn't exist while agnostics don't think there is a God, but they don't
>
>Let's not forget the Apatheists.  We don't know and we don't really care.

And what about Autotheists, persons who believe they themselves are God?
(And thou shalt keep no other gods!)

>-- 
>Even paranoids have enemies. -- Jim Pastore

-- 
Antti Karttunen       --  $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
karttu@mits.mdata.fi  --  Apatheist, although not particularly proud of it...
From: prakash@ee.rochester.edu (Siddhartha Duttagupta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re:Young Adult Books
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Jul22.051212.9061@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Jennifer Heise writes:
>
>	Boys.  Little Men stands up better than you would expect. Little 
>	Women doesn't need to stand up, it just IS. Little Men seems to be 
>	a prototype of some modern progressive school.
>
>There is now, of course, a whole new genre of Young Adult novels that Alcott
>must have inspired. Curiously they are much more prissy than the original --
>quite nasty.
>
>I have vague childhood memories of *What Katy Did* and the sequel, *What
>Katy Did Next*. Does anyone remember more about these? Their dates? Were
>they pre-Alcott?
>
>						Fido

What about the celebrated series by L.M. Montgomery?I was extremely moved when
reading Little Women [maybe at twelve you are less cynical!]and all stories
handling a similar theme did not seem to match up to Alcott's 'real-life"
experiences.However when I came to the states I saw the PBS/Sullivan production
of Anne series[first two] and was enthralled by its spontaneity.I read the
entire series,and except the third one when Anne's romances run amuck all the 
books are pretty good.I liked the first and fourth most.The characters of the
little girls were the best:Anne and little Elizabeth.The two movies were
however "first class" and I would highly recommend them.
I think in such "young adult" books it is critical that the writer identifies
with the characters so much so that the spontaneity comes out [a must in my
opinion for this genre of books].In case of Alcott it was Joe in Little Women.
I have not read Little Men but I would assume in those days women did not have  much option but to become 'just a wife".In case of Montgomery,she was not an
orphan but the other details of her life parallel those of Anne's.
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted for M.F.K.Fisher's books
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:11:39 GMT

Marc Hedlund writes:

	Wayne Lui writes:

		From an article in a recent issue of Newsweek, it was 
		mentioned that M.F.K.Fisher, who was a consummate writer 
		on food, passed away recently.  It's a shame that I've 
		never heard of her until that article.

	There is a collection entitled _The Art of Eating_ (paperback) 
	which contains most of her "better-known" works, and is well-worth 
	buying.  HIGHLY recommended.

Consummate writer. I like that. It is a commentary on r.a.b that we have
had to endure an endless, mindless thread on the now dead, thank God,
Asimov with a grotesque mis-spelling in the Subject line, and not a word
on Ms Fisher and her combination of talents. If I am fortunate enough to
end Upstairs, I quite expect to be sat next to Ms Fisher at dinner. If
Downstairs, then I imagine it will be my misfortune to be forced to listen
to eternal arguments for the non-existence of God from the distasteful Mr
Asimov.

						Fido
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:15:24 EDT

In article <1992Jul20.213900.3378@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> os360051@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (T. Kurt Bond) writes:

>I'm curious: do many people who read Lovecraft also read things like Burleson's
>study, or S.T. Joshi's _H.P. Lovecraft: Four Decades of Criticism_ (in which
>there is an interesting short article on Lovecraftian Pseudobiblia)?  Or are
>they more likely to have read Phileus P. Sadowsky's "Notes on a Fragment of the
>Necronomicon" and "Further Notes on the Necronomicon" (the later published
>postumously and unfortunately unfinished)?

	I enjoy Joshi's work. He's knowledgable and has done much to
	elevate Lovecraft's reputation.  Burleson's book is good, too,
	but not as good as Joshi's in my opinon.  I really wish there
	was a better biograpy --- L. Sprauge De Camp was clueless when
	it came to the philosophy behind Lovecraft's fiction, and Joshi
	savages both De Camp and Derleth pretty well.

	I might have been the one who stated _The King In Yellow_ was the
	basis for _The Necronomicon_.  It would probabably be more accurate
	to say _King_ influenced Lovecraft's use of _The Necronomicon_ as
	a fictional device.

	I have never read the Sadowsky articles.  Where can they be
	found?

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University -- Ninth Circle of Hell

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