HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: 'Milson' Is Combining Moral Arrogance With Historical Ignorance.
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:26:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

In article <m0laHj4-0003YPC@ddsw1.mcs.com>, hbm@ddsw1.UUCP writes:

|>  In all seriousness,
|> a brief research on the genocide of 2.5 million Muslims by the 
|> Armenians pinpoints you as the guilty candidate. 

In all seriousness? The guy quotes a few paragraphs and now he's guilty
of genocide?

|> you are an intellectual sociopath, indifferent to truth

Right. For a while it was amusing, but now into the kill file
you go, twerp.

Victor.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: Yuksel Parlatan, why don't you look before you leap?
Keywords: friends
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:05:06 GMT

In article <ku5no8INNfhv@aludra.usc.edu> madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi) writes:
>>    TR's Kurds have 50M Turkish friends in TR.
>
>The Kurds have no Turkish friends -- the Turks proved that by subjecting the
>Kurds to a terrible status until 1991 in denying them the right to speak
>Kurdish, the right to practice their culture and the right to call themselves
>Kurds.  As I have stated before and will state again and again, these numbers
 
              [...deleted material...]
>
>Regards,
>
>Zagros
>

Forgive me if I misunderstand you, but I think you are failing to distinguish
here between official government policy and the Turkish people. Until very
recently the citizens of Turkiye were not at complete liberty to discuss Kurdish
issues. Since these issues were not discussed openly, the majority of the population
(IMHO) did not really appreciate the difficulties that the Kurds faced in Turkiye
as far as cultural freedom was concerned. Therefore, it is not fair to make
a statement that "Kurds have no Turkish friends." It is simply wrong.
Perhaps the only way you can criticize Turks in general is that they haven't 
acted earlier by showing enough determination to demand change in the
way they have been governed. But that's a different issue altogether and has
nothing to do with being friends or not. I believe that the recent developments in
democratic reforms (yes, they are long overdue) show that when the people of
Turkiye can speak more freely, they do indeed demand equal rights for all of
its citizens and try to take the necessary steps to enforce it. Obviously, there
is still some way to go but I believe that the country is on the right track.

Best Regards,

Can E. Korman
From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (OSMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Dahileri Taniyalim(Re:Dunya Guzeli)
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:34:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A.S.(Dehset firtinasi yazari):Lise 2. sinif ogrencisi olarak Erzincanda
dunyaya geldi.Dogustan ishal oldugu icin, ailesi onu tedavi icin Istanbul'a
gonderdi.Bir turlu gecmeyen ishal,Ayhan'i yillarca, Istanbul'un cesitli 
semtlerindeki umumi helalarina adeta hapsetti.Ama bu arada Ayhan okumayi,
yazmayi,osurmayi,kapi calinca oksurmeyi ogrenmis, olgunlasmisti.
Ayhan, kulturu arttikca Yeni Camii'nin,Suleymaniye'nin tuvaletlerine filan 
takilmaya basladi. Artik onu herkes taniyordu.Firsat bu firsattir diyerek 2
tane ucuz kitap bastirdi ve Kultur Bakani'nin intiharina yol acti.
Ancak Humeyni'nin konusma metinlerini yazmasi onu kurtarmisti.Sonralari
gelisen olaylar, Ayhan'i surekli ulke ve sct gundeminde tuttu.
Ayhan, su siralar,Milli takim oyuncularinin sortlarinin sirlari ve Gorbacov'un 
kafatasindaki leke uzerine kitaplar icin calismalarina tam gaz devam ediyor..


osman-->Guveninizin eseri

	Nazar etme ne olur
	Calis seninde(Forward'un) olur.
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From: hbm@ddsw1.UUCP (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: For Those Who Survive The Turkish High School Education, 'Jarmo,'...
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:45:00 GMT


<1992Apr6.060908.10033@jyu.fi>
ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)

>>Source: 'International Economics: Theory and Policy' by Paul R.
>>        Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld, Harper Collins Publishers,
>>        1991, (second edition).
>>
>>In terms of 'Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to 

>To compare sconimics of two cuntries liek Turkey and Creece is interesting
>but may be difficult.
>But how  about illiteracy? I have an impression that there in Turkey
>millons of people in Turkey who cannot read and write are illiterates.

You need to understand that 'illiteracy' is in the eye of the
beholder, 'Jarmo.' I, for one, never ever perceived those 
so-called 'entel' people in Turkiye as 'literate.' In Turkiye, 
nonformal education is the primary factor in such projects as the 
Southeast Anatolia Project.

>Especially Turkish women are very poorly educated and the rate of illiteracy
>is very high among them. Does these figures give any empression of the
>level of the country? 

Not at all. Besides, eleven years of Turkish education are equivalent
to 22.3 years of American education. Those who had their schooling in
Turkiye are well familiar with this discrepancy. Compared to the
take-it-easy atmosphere of an average high school in the U.S. where
the emphasis is more on 'social control' [e.g., preventing teenage
pregnancies or drug use] than on education per se, their Turkish
counterparts look like bootcamps where approximately twelve or
thirteen heavy-duty subjects varying from 'World History' to
'Algebra' [and in some pilot schools, even 'Calculus'] are
hammered in eight hours a day, for nine months a year. For
those who survive the Turkish high school education, American 
(or European for that matter) system is a song and a breeze.

>Who have figures regarding litaracy rates in Turkey
>among the men and women and the same figures from Creece.
>Finland has had more than one hundred years 100 % literacy rate among the
>adults. What about turkish standards? Especially women's?

To give you a better idea about the caliber of Turkish education
system, you can have a random look at some of the questions asked
at '1991 Turkish High School Entrance Examinations,' and exam taken 
by 15 year olds.

Because when it comes to education, more than in any other context,
the kids 'R' literally us, 'Jarmo.' See Turkiye in the year 2000.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: mutlu's confession
Summary: bravo, hasan!
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:52:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Apr6.125223.12434
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In his posting "Brilliant Logic, 'Michael Collier'" hasan b. mutlu writes:

			>I am at a loss
			>I'll hide behind my ears. 

			>Hasan B-) Mutlu

Finally, Hasan, you are telling the truth. Congratulations!



Alexander Kostomaroff

"Shall not thou and I ... go to Constantinople and take the Turk by the beard?"
William Shakespeare, "King Henry V".
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From: camh@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Hasan Cam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: NEWS FLASH (on AFGHANISTAN)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:24:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network



>Sender: "Turkish Students Assistance Association"
              <TSAA-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
From: "A.YILDIRIM" <dvy@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      ***News Flash***
To: Multiple recipients of list TSAA-L
              <TSAA-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Status: RO

>From OMARS@auvm.american.edu Tue Apr 14 09:19:45 1992
et!paladin.american.edu!auvm!omars
From: OMARS@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: News Flash
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:19:45 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center


                       **************************
                      *                          *
                     *         NEWS FLASH         *
                      *                          *
                       **************************

Received and edited by Omar Samad on 4/14/92:

The following two news items were just received from Reuters and Agence
France Presse news agencies:


1-  The forces of commander Ahmad Shah Massoud have started to advance
    towards Kabul. The two strategic towns of Jabolsaraj and Charikar fell
    into the hands of Massoud's forces yesterday and the Afghan Air Force's
    main air base at Bagram is now surrounded by the Mujahedeen. All three
    locations are closely situated to each other and are located 60 Km (about
    40 miles) North of Kabul. This mujahedeen offensive comes at a time when
    U.N. envoy Benon Sevan is shuttling between Islamabad, Kabul and Tehran
    to finalize the latest proposals dealing with the establishment of a
    temporary 15-member council which is expected to take power when Najib
    is said to relinquish all powers by the end of April. Ahmad Shah Massoud,
    also known as the "Lion of Panjshir," is a legendary Mujahed commander
    from the region of Panjshir in Northeaster Afghanistan, who is famous
    for his military and administrative skills, and for his resilience and
    resistance to almost a dozen major Soviet offensives against his forces
    between 1978 and 1989. Massoud is currently a member of Afghanistan's
    Coucil of Commanders and has control over one third of Afghanistan's
    territory, mainly in the Tadjik populated areas of the country.


2-  In a meeting held in Kabul yesterday, Najib, the leader of Kabul's
    Marxist regime asked the military officer corps to cooperate with
    the future leadership council which is expected to take power once
    he (Najib) relinquishes all powers some time in the next few weeks.
    Najib made this plea as a precautionary measure to discourage any
    attempts by radical elements within the army and air force who may be
    planning a coup d'etat to subvert the UN peace plan.

                         *** end of NEWS FLASH ***


>From OMARS@auvm.american.edu Tue Apr 14 12:36:05 1992
et!paladin.american.edu!auvm!omars
From: OMARS@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: News flash update
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:36:05 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

This is an update of the news flash posted this morning:

                        *********************
                             U P D A T E
                        *********************

     The BBC and other reliable international news agencies are now
     reporting that only hours after the advance of commander Ahmad Shah
     Massoud's forces towards Kabul, and the capture of the towns of Jabolsaraj
     and Charikar, and the seige of the Bagram Air base, Bagram has now
     fallen into Mujahedeen hands. There are reports of waves of Kabul
     regime troops defecting to Massoud's side and little resistance shown
     on the part of Najib's forces. These latest reports do however mention
     that so far the latest events have not been independently confirmed.
     It is worth mentioning that the Bagram Air Base is located about 40 miles
     North of Kabul and is considered as a vital military base of important
     strategic value.

                        ******  END UPDATE ******
From: KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Car Production increased
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:36:21 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool


 AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTION INCREASES

In the first  two months of 1992, 54,661  vehicles were produced.
The automotive  Industry Association  stated that in  January and
February  1992 tyhe  greatest  number of  vehicles, 22,869,  were
manufactured  by  the  TOFAS company  and  OYAK-Renault  produced
17,601.

      The Turkish Automotive Production in 1991-1992

                          (February)             First two months
Type                     1991      1992          1991        1992
------------------------------------------------------------------
Tow Trucks                 17         4            23          22
Trucks                   1239      1647          1681        3232
Pick-up Trucks            637      1301           942        2664
Automobiles            14,408    20,316        16,932      42,720
Buses                      79       116           132         255
Minibuses                 658     1,013           983       1,976
Midibuses                 240       460           528         875
Tractors                1,465     1,357         1,908       2,958
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Total                  18,743    26,214        23,120      54,072
-----------------------------------------------------------------

NEWSPOT
            _
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From: gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Those Who Asserted Their Turkish Origin Were Simply Killed, 'Bonten.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:19:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr8.211938.23487
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <m0lY82p-0003RGC@ddsw1.mcs.com> han@sarp.utaaic.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                       ^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
>
Seems like parts of what he wrote were still in use as Turkish Army manuals ...


Gregor
From: shaitan@chinet.chi.il.us (Abdel Shaitan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: In the interest of communication
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:06:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: chinet.1992Apr15.190645.5109
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: In the interest of communications
Summary: Contact information for Hasan B. Mutlu
Distribution: world
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Keywords: mutlu, email, telephone

Hasan B. Mutlu has been quite difficult to contact.  I am sure he would like
to be able to carry on individual correspondence with people who have comments
or observations on his postings, so I would like to share this with you:

	Hasan B. Mutlu

EMAIL:
	han@att.att.com, OR
	h.mutlu@att.att.com, OR
	att!ihlpa!han (get to 'att' however you can)

TELEPHONE:
	(708) 979-6684

MAIL:
	Hasan B. Mutlu
	c/o AT&T Bell Laboratories
	2000 N. Naperville Rd.
	PO Box 3033
	Naperville, IL  60566-7033

-Abdel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Global Reflections / From Zagreb to Houston
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.16APR199211350995
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.112504.875@mwk.uucp>, gundogansa@mwk.uucp writes...
>Guess who is starting to look like another Iraq in the eyes of the world?
> 
>From Houston Chronicle's weekly "World Press Commentary" corner [4/12/92],
>a cartoon:
> 
>  A prisoner ["Kurds"] receiving the "stretch treatment" in a torture 
>  chamber from S. Hussein at the helm of one gear ["Iraq"] pulling on 
>  the arms, at one end and ...
>  his Turkish military counterpart operating another gear ["Turkey"]
>  pulling on the legs, at the other.
> 
>  And here's Uncle Sam [Georgie B.?] with his doctor's bag, standing 
>  next to the Saddam and raising a finger of [fake] caution at him: 
>  "...NO,NO...!".
> 
>                                      by: Vjesnik / Zagreb, Croatia
> 
> 
>Aw, how could the world get along without the good doctor?  And
>where would he be, if he wasn't needed without any 'bad boys'
>around?
> 
> 
>msg

Just more proof of the continuous anti-Turkish racism in the western 
press.  What do good ole' boy papers know anyway????

Yes, the Turks continuously oppress the Kurds by allowing them to escape
Saddam's troops, by permitting them to stay in Turkey, by giving them
housing, by allowing them to live.

Why doesn't the good ole' boy paper publish a cartoon showing the PKK
kidnapping engineers, killing civilians, and continuously being a pain
in the ass to Turkey?  If the Kurds don't like it there, they can always
go to Iraq, Syria, or Iran.  All 10 million of them.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Naci Saglam)
Subject: Re: Mutluk
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:23:47 GMT

teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith) writes:

>In article <703187288@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>>
>>      Next time you decide to cry, hide behind your mother's skirts!

>I thought Duke-babies were the cry babies :) :) I heard that Duke is a
>replica of Princeton with a bunch of cry-babies and rednecks... :)

>Teoman Smith 

>>
>>-- Eduard Wiener

Come on, Teoman, he [dear Ed, the  baby who was born without a brain] is just
a person whom we are having fun with. If he were not exist, this world would be
so boring!  
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: The Response Of A True 'Greek Intellectual:' Geo T.
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:40:00 GMT


<1992Apr8.104338.1731@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>
89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au

>	Fuck off dickhead. Who care what you think. I have no intention to have
>a conversation with you. You are blind. You talk out of your ass. See ya later
>in your 500+ line answer to this.

The response of a true 'Greek intellectual.'

>	Get a fucking life DICKHEAD.

I certainly hope not, at any rate. 

>Just don't bug us. We diont care ...

This is the point we seem to disagree about. Various items of 
irrefutable evidence indicate that the Greek authorities have 
violated the country's obligations by persistently following a 
policy of oppression aimed at the Muslim Turkish Minorities from 
Western Thrace.

This fact is acknowledged not only by Turks, but by several
prominent Europeans such as Professor Erik Siesby (who submitted
a paper along these lines to the Minority Rights Conference in
Copenhagen, March-April 1990) or the spokesmen (including Yuri
Orlov, the founder of the Moscow Helsinki Group) for the 
International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights.

The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish
minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with
the Macedonians of Greece.

The Greeks deny the existence of the Turks there - despite
the well-known historical background, ethnic origin, mother
tongue and other cultural affiliations.

Furthermore, Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights 
group, had been investigating the plight of the Turkish 
Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their findings were 
published in a report titled 

 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'

The report confirmed gross violations of the Human
Rights of the Turkish minority by the Greek authorities.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: 89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: How European Is Greece, 'Geo T.?' If The Criterion Is Geography,...
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:43:37 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales



	Fuck off dickhead. Who care what you think. I have no intention to have
a conversation with you. You are blind. You talk out of your ass. See ya later
in your 500+ line answer to this.
	Get a fucking life DICKHEAD.

> Hasan B-) Mutlu
> 
>                      'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                       and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                       Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                       they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                      (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
> 
> 

Just don't bug us. We diont care ...
	Geo T.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: gizli adla yazili olanlar
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:01:15 GMT

Adlari gizli yazilanlar icin A.Ormeci arkadas bazi onerilerde
bulunmus. Onun yazdiklarini buraya yeniden alintilayamadik.
(Bu isi nasil yapacagimizi bulamadik!)

A.Ormeci arkadasin kullanmamizi salik verdigi komutlari biliyoruz.
Sorun surdan dogmakta:
   - Bize her gonderdigimiz yazidan sonra 5 ile 20 arasinda degisen
adresten gonderdiklerimiz geri gelir. 800+ uyemiz oldugunu dusunecek
olursaniz aslinda bu cok degil ama, her gun bunlarin niye geldigini
arastirmak, listeyi duzeltmek epey bir is. Dolayisiyla yalniz
Carsamba gunu geri gelenleri duzeltelim dedik. Boylece hafta sonlari
makinalari bakima alinmis filan kimseler varsa onlari bosu bosuna
listeden cikarmamis oluruz, bosuna arastirma yapmayiz diye
dusunuyoruz.
   - Bazan geri gelen mesajlar cok anlasilmaz olmakta. Bu durumlarda
bunu listeden bakmak zorunda kalmaktayiz. Gizli yazilanlarin
adlarinin oldugu listeyi ancak mci'daki hesaptan elde
edebilmekteyiz. Bu bize paraya mal olmakta. Bir de, MCI internet'de
olmadigi icin listeyi elde etmek bazan 3-4 saat surmekte...
   Iste bu ve bunun gibi bir suru sey uc- uca geldiginde
harcadigimiz zaman ve para epey artmakta...
   trknws-l
(yukaridaki yazi trh@mcimail'den gelmistir. Yanitlarinizi oraya
gonderin)