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From: swkim@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: TO S. W. KIM (Re: To Hankyu Lee)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.190626.26022@ncsu.edu> yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec22.080851.26750@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
>swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>
>> Subject: To Hankyu Lee 
>> ....
>
>Was this article your private message to HanKyu Lee?
>Why do you use usenet for your private mail? 
>You do not know how to reply to a posting?
>
>When I am reading news, usually I am tracking a subject.
>
>Please, consider other netters.
>
>Han


That was not a private message.  I just like to specify
the person who discusses with me.  Although I just specify
the name of person, the content of article is not a private
thing at all.  O.K. I'm not gonna use the specific person's
name.  But, I think ONLY you are just upset about my message.
Even if you posted this just once, I would accept what you want.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 01:56:16 GMT

I accidentally deleted my copy of a post that was submitted here 4 months
ago.  The post dealt with statistics about the treatment of women in 
Korean society and might serve as a point of discussion among the members
of a small group of students (I being 1 of them).

A Korean lady, from the University of North Carolina (?), posted those
statistcs.  If you are still there, then please send me (by e-mail) a
copy of those statistics, including the phone number listed in the
original post.

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Re: parliamentary System
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:05:02 GMT

In article <85837@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>      I do hate those outdate laws. However, my personal preference has nothing
>      to do with social concensus. Legal system is the result of majority
>      agreement especially after mass demonstration in 1987.
>      If so-called intelligents do not respect laws, when can we have a society      ruled by laws?   

	I agree that. We have to respect rule and laws even though subtle case 

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:17:44 GMT

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
: 
: First of all, I would like to thank you for you very informative post. I
: am also delighted that I learnt this from a Korean. It is against
: Nippon's constitution
: for the Government to partake in any spying in any form. N. Ko-ryo is no
: threat to Nippon therefore any spying there is considered "Offensive".
: "Trying to verify", this is very bias to me. If this woman was kidnapped

Mr. Asano, you obviously did not read the post correctly. The woman was never
a spy for japan. She was a normal woman kidnapped from japan, and forced
by the NorthKorean government to teach Japanese to North Korean agents.
Now whether that story is true or not is what the Japanese governement
is trying to find out. As was pointed out, it is the duty ofthe Japanese
government to ask about citizens that were kidnapped, especially if they
were kidnapped by other governments.

: from Nippon, surely her family/friends would would have come forward and
: 'everyone' in the 'free' world would have been bombarded with this
: information from then until the day Christ Jesus comes! I really and
: seriously doubt that the N. Ko-ryo or any nation would do an
: international kidnapping of a 'Japanese spy'! Don't you see how corny
                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~
: this is!!! 

As was stated above, it was never ever said that the women was in any way
a spy. And really it is not corny, since North korea would really have no
other way of teaching modern japanese to its spies. Foreign governemnt
do these things all the time and worse. If you think it is corny then you
do not know the reality of "spying" and related business.


-chris barrera     barrera@mtu.edu   gorim@irc  :-)

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From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: YS SHOULD not BE QUALIFIED   ( RE: AFTERMATH of ELECION)
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:12:42 GMT

>DJ:	sudden change to parliamentary system to get elected as a president
>	with the aid of 5-th and 6-th republic military group,
>	which is sure to be a weak government.
>
>YS:	president-oriented goverment => strong government : can handle the
>Han


I lost any enthusiasm to defend DJ since the game is over.
But for the sake of truth,
DJ has never accepted Parliamentary system. He clearly said that he object 
that system personally and what he said was since people has all right
to change the system, he would obey the people's opinion.
YS didn't say that he prefered presidential system at least in this 
election. What he said was 'This is time to elect a president, so let's 
talk later'. He refused to accept 'I'll change to parliamentary system' as
a CAMPAIGN WORD, which TJ insisted. Well, it is true that YS said he would
make 'Strong Government'. It is not suprising that he said that, because
he likes to use 'Forthe people' (DJ prefered 'By the people').
From: hseung@gmbug.gepodong.or.kr (Huh-Poong Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: (CFD): GePoDong MaEul Bus (GePo Village Bus)
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:12:11 GMT
Organization: GePoDong MaEul Bus Users Group, Seoul, Republic of Korea
Originator: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu




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From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: re:aftermath of election
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:23:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.85863
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) write:
I didn't know DJ had his own province. Yon mean his home town or home province?

      Did I confuse you with this term? If yes, yes I meant his home town.

DP didn't participate in the election in many electoral sectors, because they
couldn't get appropriate candidates. Minja had a similar problem in Honam, but
since they are the ruling party, they issued candidates at least formally.
It is a natural consequence that a political party which is severely biased in
its constituents has certain preferences.

      I was saying that DJ should have built political base and structure
      to claim his presidency. You seem to agree with me that the potical party
      is biased in its constituents. I was saying that it was DJ who destroyed
      then-unique- opposition party and consequently, characteristic of parties      deteriorated from oppositon party to regional party. 

You may disagree, but in the context of your article, you're treating people
from a certain province as a special class, aren't you?
You can oppose DJ or whoever individuals, but don't offend the general public
by saying "high density of Ex-Cholla people"...
-DCL

      Yes I disagree totally. I do never never never treat a certain province
      as a special class. BTW do you  mean a "social class"?
      Why do you think I am oppending people? Wasn't it the true?
      Do you think we can not analysis the result of election?
      Give me a explanation!  To overcome rigionalism, I believe we have to
      face it rather than hiding it.   
 
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From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Message-I.d.: <1992Dec26.032640.9167@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:36:54 GMT

 In article <1992Dec26.032640.9167@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:	
>
>
>>        On the other hand, unfortunately it was obvious again that DJ could
>>        not build his political base outside his province. I am from Choong-
>>        Buk where I could not find a bit of DJ support.
>
>Come on, what are you talking about? DJ is more popular in Seoul than YS.
>I think he got above 20% from all regions except Kyongsangdo (Kangwon?).
>

I think that DJ got 34% of ballots in seoul this time and YS got 36% 

from the 92 presidential election. I got this stat. from kids BBS.

If this is wrong, pleas correct me.

Thank you.
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Parliamentary System
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:04:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec31.135558.12836@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
 (Seunghun Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.172044.9678@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis
.edu writes:
>>
>>(of course, I'm fully aware that Prez. Park provoked
>>this explicitly (ShinDongA)),
>
>right, i think we all know that the direct root of the ridiculous
>feeling is the long 20 years of park's regime.
>during his regime, he had filled all important positions in military
>,in cabinet and in economy with guys from KyungSang province only.
>and had given special favors to KyungSang province in all respects.
>
>>it is not difficult to imagine that this
>>dirty feeling will appear again and again (ex. Pusan plot in this election).
>
>yes, that is why i was disappointed with this election.
>It was obvious by Pusan plot that the group who provoke
>and use the dirty emotional feeling is MINJJA.
>but the Pusan plot incident have not affected againt MINJJA at all.
>rather it helped MINJJA.
>we should have voted against MINJJA who provoked and used the dirty feeling.
>it is sad but yet koreans are not politically mature enough.
>
>anyone knows what is going on the guys involved in Pusan Plot?
>are they going to be put in jail ?



Kim Gi-Choon who was leading the Meeting,  was released without
being prisoned, just (Bul-Goo-Sok Eap-Gun).

Some of them did not get any punishement.  Others got deprived of
their positions.

BTW,  the goverment and possibly YS, are trying to twist the essence of
the Pusan scandal.  They are trying to hide the scandal's violation of the
election raw, and morals but instead, trying to exaggerate and stress the
violation of
privacy done by Guk-Min Dang.   Of course,  since YS knows the scandal was
contributed to his win,  he doesn' t want them to be put in jail.
Moreover,  the funny thing is  that all of raw proscutors went out the
building and bow to Kim Gi-Choon  gently right after investigating him.


Where has justice gone ?
This is what I am worried about YS.  Is this "Shin HanGook" who mentioned
as a slogan ?  Currently,  ther are so many Abuggoon approching him to
suck up to ho in order to get positions.


YS announced the committe members for the transition team two days ago.
There are no fresh faces in the transition team.  If you listen to their
names,  you must feel vomitting.   All of them are parasites of 5 Gong and
6 Gong.  It is natural because he could be elcted by their assists.
However,  let's see more.  This is a little bit early to judge YS.





              Minho Jo, Lehigh University
              Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
              Industrial Engineering Department
              MJ03@.Lehigh.edu


     My ultimate goal is to achieve "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"

     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: re: aftermath of election
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.85861
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) write:
In article <85844@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>     As far as I remember, still even all alternatives proposed 
>     allowed the authority of government regarding S-N issues.   
>

but they all agree that the laws must be more specific
to prevent it from being abused.

      So what?   Do you think Im and Moon respected the authority of government
      regarding S-N issues?  You are bringing a new dimension to this issue.
      legally those were just proposal rather than law
      Do you remember I said I distingush from lwa reform activities 
      from violating laws which they oppose?  Of cause, I support
      "Jeo-Hang-Kwon" against dictatorships as we have done.
      
>     I wintnessed the decay of Yoo-Sin and birth of that damn Chun's junta.
>     But that does not matter in this thread.

yes it does matter.
so you DIDN'T respect Yoo-Sin,
HOW DARE YOU! 

       OK. Gentleman, You are only conscience in Korea!
       But please give me some tips why my age or time of college education
       matters here. 
       I do not want to explain you how much I have been in a agony about
       my political stand. But please recall my first posting was about why
       opposition party failed or was doomed to fail. It was not supporting
       DLP at all. I gave my own analysis or disapointment from DJ or 
       opposition parties. In short,
       It seemed to me that they were not scientific or respected very simple
       wisdom of "reality."  Do you give any explanation rather than accusing 
       perspon whom you do not know?  What I am still expecting from 
       opposition force is approach from reality or more scientific cool
       heads beyond slogans.  But unfortunately, you have shown the same
       attitude.   
       Please give me why I DARE and What I DARE?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:25:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.121400.48@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.100424.27476@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>>Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?
>>
>
>I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
>according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
>and studing anatomy in penn.
>
>Hey, Hyunsuk.
>tell the truth, who really you are and what your real opinion is.
>or shut up, ok?
>


Geez, guys.  

Please take that cucumber out and relax.

Why is it so important to you what his real name is?  He apparently didn't
try to hide his name.  I am sure he knew about "finger" and could have beat
that program if he wanted to.

If you are not familiar with him, Mr. Hyunsuk Seung (a.k.a. Roland H Seung,
Rachel H Seung, Ho-Dor Seung) is the resident contributor of s.c.k. with
his MPS (Multi-Personality Syndrome) babbles and incredible appetite for
Korean food.  I am pretty sure he is a pretty sick human being, but I, for
one, have found his articles funny, amusing and well-written.  If you
cannot stand him or his style, there is always a KILL file.  Election is
important and everything, but this group can always use some spice.

Inhale.  

Good.

Andy Kim
From: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Happy Holidays
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector


	Wishing you a Merry(or for some of you --Marry) Christmas and

	Happiest New Years !!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: AnNyung from city of NengMyun!  [not short]
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:06:44 GMT

In e-mail commercial <102932@netnews.upenn.edu>,
hseung@spasibo.hamheung.ac.kp (Ho-Dor Seung) writes :


Can I order a bawl of HamHeung NaengMyun for delivery?
I like it.
And, do you accept any credit card such as Bank of PyungYang Visa?

Oh, one more.
Could you ask the University of Hamheung whether they have any job opening?

By the way, I have to consult my layer friend whether ordering a NaengMyun
through e-mail violates Kook-Ga-Bo-An-Bup.


Jong-Wook Seo



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: A New Leaf
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:27:25 GMT


He came to my desk with quivering lip -
The lesson was done.
"Dear teacher, I want a new leaf,"
he said,
"I have spoiled this one."

I took the old leaf, stained and blotted,
And gave him a new one all unspotted,
And into his sad eyes smiled,
"Do better, now, my child."

[for Xn only]

I went to the throne with a quivering soul -
The old year was done,
"Dear Father, hast Thou a new leaf for me?
I have spoiled this one."

He took the old leaf, stained and blotted,
And gave me a new one all unspotted,
And into my sad hearts smiled,
"Do better, now, my child."

				- Kathleen Wheeler
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: KOREAN ECONOMY
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:46:22 GMT

Dear folks

I heard a news that russia and china reached an agreement
on economical coperation several days ago when Yelshin visited china.

It is well-known that china and south-asian countries
are rapidly developing with low-cost labor force.
it is why korean middle and small companies are getting bankrupted these days.
now korean company can not compete with cheap price.

only way for korean economy to keep growing is to improve quality of goods.
but unfortunately, big companies has not been invest enough
money for science and technology to improve the quality.
instead, they have been greedy on land.
--- does anyone know how many percentage of whole land they own? ---
and they just pay loyalty to mostly japanese company for such high tech
so when korean company sell a mechandise, most of profit goes to japan.

i want to hear your opinion, specially from folks studying economy.

sincerely
Seunghun Lee (e-mail: shl@holger.pha.jhu.edu)

 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE:%%%%%%% THE LOSER DJ
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:32:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

Mr. Minho Jo writes:
Subject: %%%%%%  T H E   L O S E R,   DJ    (Also, To: Mr. Han-jung Kim)
:Basically,  I for sure admit YS's win.   But I have different viepoints from
:the Byungtea's analysis in postelection analysis.    The main point of
:Byungtae'sanalysis was superficial to me,  for instant,  DJ and Minju didn't
:have scientific and analytical approaches for the election and they have
:limited political structures,  and so on.    At least,  his analysis was
:practical and pinpointing to me.


           Now, I am very confused with your thread. I can not figure out
          why you have consitently attacked my view and why my analysis was
          superficial to you because your the following analysis is not much
          different from what I have posted.

    1. Regionalism:
          I never denied this. Rather I said that because of this, he was
          doomed to fail as soon as he split the opposition party in 1987.
          For this, I said I cann't forgive his political sin to exploit
          regionalism from the opposition side. Before this, we could blame
          the ruling party because they have exploit since Park. However, after
          this, there have been no difference. 

    2. Pusan Plot
          You have been stuck to this incidents very much.
          In fact, before this, there was general forcasting that YS would win
          and was leading. But because of this, many people thought the result
          was not predictable. We know the result.
          Even without this incidents, Dj could not win.

   3. Junggook YeunHap
          I took this example for unrealistic, unscientific approach
          of Dj's side. What's the essence of New DJ Plan?
          It was mainly to let "conservative" people that DJ is not so radical,
          not communist...... Then how could they made the explicit ally with
          the group which conservative (or ignorant by your term) poeple think
          is the most radical in Korea.]
  
   4. Your conclusions:      
          How can you SUDDENLY expect  something ggod from "EGGHEADED"
          or "EMPTY BRAINED" YS?
   
   5. the UNANSWERED MY Questions
          
         a. Still I did not here why I am a "far-right-extremist"?
            I've never heard your definition.
         b. What aspects of your analysis are more "in depth" or not superfical
            than mine?  

   6. General comment
        This thread seems pretty much of reconcilation. However, for me good 
        discussion means making differences clear rather than retreating
        without suffcient explanation.



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