From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: >> Who is really "Mr. Bulbul" ? <<
Organization: Carleton University
Answer: It's me !!!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:27:32 GMT

o.CRepin-leblond@ic.ac.UK (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J.        
Crepin-Leblond) writes:

>>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>>Subject: Summing it all (Opinions about Bulbul)
>>Message-ID: <nabeel.720817911@regulus.sce.carleton.ca>
>>Date: 3 Nov 92 19:11:51 GMT

>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>Subject: Summing it all (Opinions about Bulbul)
>Message-ID: <nabeel.720817911@regulus.sce.carleton.ca>
>Date: 3 Nov 92 19:11:51 GMT
>References: <1d6cp2INNpoq@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>
>Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator)
>Organization: Carleton University
>Lines: 65
>Status: OR

>Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
>Path: cc.ic.ac.uk!doc.ic.ac.uk!agate!ames!haven.umd.edu!uunet!utcsri!torn!cunews!nabeel
>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
>Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
>Message-ID: <nabeel.717977825@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>
>Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator)
>Organization: Carleton University
>References: <1700@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> <nabeel.717819870@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> <BvE97G.70B.2@cs.cmu.edu>
>Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:17:05 GMT
>Lines: 83
>Status: OR

>Yes, that's right: Nabeel Ghuzlaan. Same email name, similar path,
>and a Message-ID: <nabeel.717977825@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> which
>is message reference 717977825 from nabeel at the workstation
>called oracle.sce.carleton.ca, another workstation in Carleton University,
>Canada. 

   In fact, if someone (who doesn't know) asked me, I would have told
them that "Bulbul" is my pet name, but I use it for different reasons
here, my identity is not one of which. It never can be a problem for 
me this way.

>>From cc.ic.ac.uk!doc.ic.ac.uk!agate!spool.mu.edu!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bnrgate!nrcnet0!cunews!ryad!court!jaber Mon Oct  5 15:39:47 bst 1992
>Article: 8804 of soc.culture.arabic
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>Path: cc.ic.ac.uk!doc.ic.ac.uk!agate!spool.mu.edu!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bnrgate!nrcnet0!cunews!ryad!court!jaber
>From: jaber@court.ahmedi.kt (Sheikh Jaber Subah)
>Subject: To Martillo
>Message-ID: <nabeel.718186620@court.ahmedi.kt>
>Sender: Subah@court.ahmedi.kt
>Oranization: Emiri Court, Kuwait
>Organization: Carleton University
>Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:17:00 GMT
>Lines: 13

[Offensive post deleted.]

>--jaber

>---------

>First mistake by the poster: The country domain for Kuwait is .kw , 
>not .kt ! Second mistake: The Organisation field, Carleton University
>appeared in the posting. Oh boy, forgot that ? Why because the poster
>did a spelling mistake while trying to override the organisation
>field and typed: Oranization ! Third mistake: the Message-ID: field
>has properly been forged for the site, but horror of horrors,
>the poster name, nabeel has appeared, alongside with a message
>number similar to nabeel@sce.carleton.ca previous postings.
>Then, last problem: the Path: field; although the posting didn't
>take the same route to come to here, the obviously forged sites 
>'court' and 'ryad' are connected to 'cunews'. And what is 'cunews' ?
>Yes, you guessed it right: Carleton University Usenet News server.
>By the way, Ryad is actually usually spelled Riyadh. By the way,
>Saudi Arabia doesn't have a Usenet News site. By the way, Kuwait
>doesn't have a Usenet News site hub either.

   Nothing of what you said is new to me, but as you know, I can't
disprove my involvement in this, nor can anyone else prove it.

>Bottom line: Bulbul = Nabeel Ghuzlaan = Sheikh Jaber Subah 

>             = nabeel@sce.carleton.ca

   This still has to be proved, because as you know, posts can be
forged and cleverly to point at others. Anyway, you should give
me credit not to fall in those pitfalls.

>So please, Nabeel, Mr. Bulbul, please explain what is going-on.

   What is going on is that I am Nabeel, but I can't be Sheikh
Jaber Subah, especially that "Jaber's" post did not provide any
substance.

   But, returning from subroutine, what has this to do with my
credibility as "Bulbul" as my claim was. Although I did not claim
to be credible under using my real name, I think I am. Forging
posts (if I am guilty) has nothing to do with credibility but can
show that someone uses dirty ways to do something.


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                                                   Mark Twain
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