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From: andrewt@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Andrew Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: placental mammals in Australia
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:50:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia

I posted this to talk.origins then later realised it might be of wider
interest. Apologies to those who have seen it already.

In article <83793@bu.edu>, colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
> Placentals, however, couldn't seem to come up with a good placental
> "opposum", because this marsupial still lives outside of Australia.
> Australia, however, did not get invaded by placentals because it
> was separated by water. It is interesting to note that introduced
> placentals (for instance rats) have replaced their marsupial counter-
> parts in Australia.

First there are good number of marsupial species (16? genera) in South America
but not the diversity that's in  Australia. A good trivia question is how many
species of marsupial are found in North America - the answer I belive being 4
because of 3 species which reach southern Mexico.

Until recently it was thought that placental mammals (except bats and
sea mammals) had reached Australia in 3 waves. The first was the "old-endemic"
rodents ~10 million years ago. These have adapted considerably to Australian
conditions. The second, roughly ~ 1 million years ago, was the "new-endemic"
rodents. The most recent wave began with man 60,000+ years ago, the remainder
of this disasterous wave is the mixture of placentals brought in by man
starting with the dingo 5,000+ years ago.

The recent exciting discovery of a fossil condylarth tooth in 55 million year
old sediments has shown that placental mammals were in Australia before the
continental breakup. I've only seen newspaper reports but there is a paper
in Nature. It may be that marsupials out-competed the placentals in
Australia! Hopefully more fossils will be found to clarify the picture.

Andrew
From: quodling@ltnup.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Golden Syrup??
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:31:59 GMT
Organization: PC/PCI Appl Group

In article <1992Apr10.184319.1@coco.cchs.su.oz.au>, brennan@coco.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan) writes:
> 
> 	Hi People!!
> 
> 	I sent a friend in Boston the recipe for ANZAC cookies.
> 	(they want to make them for an Aussie marooned there :-))
> 
> 	Their response was: What is Golden Syrup??? 
> 
> 	Anybody know of the USA equivalent???

Closest thing would be Karo, which is a molasses type syrup. However, I have
been able to buy golden syrup over here. IN fact, I may even have a spare tin.
Point your friend at me, and I'll dig it out. (Like Vegemite, it never goes
off.)

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From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: Dual Pay Structure ?
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia Keywords: 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 04:00:30 GMT

In article <122406@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> hudek@polaris.llnl.gov (David Hudek) writes:
>
>My wife told me of a female aquaintance who was considering moving
>to Australia, but was put off by what she (the aquaintance) claimed was
>an "official" dual-scale salary structure based on gender, where females
>are paid less than males.
>
>Now to me, "official" means enacted by and/or enforced by the 
>government, but I suppose it could also refer to a practice generally
>engaged in and commonly accepted and approved of. (oops, ended a sentence
>with a preposition... my old English teacher would have a heart
>attack! :-) )
>

This is not true. I think your wife's aquaintance was referring
to the fact that statistically, women earn less than men.
There is equal pay for people holding the same type of job, 
but unfortunately women tend to hold less well-paying jobs 
than men, on average. Equal pay for women was brought in in the
1970s by the Whitlam government. Before that, men were paid more
for the same job as women, and the wage was termed a "breadwinners" wage.

There are still less women than men in the well-paying positions.
I think this is probably true in most countries.



-- 
Kate Juliff                                       kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au
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From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Dual Pay Structure ?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:33:21 GMT

kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff) writes:
>This is not true. I think your wife's aquaintance was referring
>to the fact that statistically, women earn less than men.

There is a 'grey' area with 'over-award payments' where the baseline
pay men:women is equal, but the men get given over-award components
that take their net pay above that of the women. I think something
in this area just got flagged with the commission, at blue collar
level. 

In tertiary-educated white-collar posts, real pay parity is the norm as
far as I know. Age, and years-in-the-position mean some men may well
have access to non-standard perks such as excessive travel/sickness/holiday
allowances, but if you compare new positions, ALL candidates would get
the same deal, even a three-legged lesbian martian. They just need the
work permit.

	-George
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Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch Mcgowan)
Subject: Re: What happened to The Oils?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:55:26 GMT

sdb@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Burge) writes:

>Anybody have a clue what The Oils are up to at the moment?

I'm assuming you mean Midnight Oil, right?

They have a live album coming out sometime this spring.  Check
the post "Recent and Upcoming Album Releases" on rec.music.misc
for more information.

--
And here, with his bird's eye view, and a brain to match, is Mr.
Know-It-All. - Rocket J. Squirrel
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hamlet@u.washington.edu| MERRITT CENTENNIALS   | ST. KILDA SAINTS |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: rowlands@ra.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Subject: Re: Golden Syrup??
Organization: Texas Instruments Computer Science Laboratory, Dallas
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.133159.1@ltnup.enet.dec.com>, quodling@ltnup.enet.dec.com
writes:
[ ... some things deleted ... ]
|>						(Like Vegemite, it never goes
|> off.)

Absolutely. I had a tin which was passed down through three generations,
finally meeting a sticky end in the decade of conspicuous consumption.

Anyone know why this stuff is called Cocky's Joy? How do they get the lid
off?

Jon
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Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 11:27:33 TUR
From: <A09475@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: working on FEM


    dear netusers

Having worked on the applications of the finite element methods I would like to

intoduce myself :

I  am   a  research  assistant in the  mechanical engineering department at thee

Middle East Technical  University.  I worked in the applications  of the finite

element method in heat transfer and  fluid mechanics problems .


  Nowadays , I am dealing  with  the  applications of the  method on the  metal

forming problems . If you are interisted | please feel free to send me messages

either through the net or to :

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                                         MOFID MAHDI
                              a perminant resident of australia .
                                        APRIL-13-1992
From: hudek@polaris.llnl.gov (David Hudek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Dual Pay Structure ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:01:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA
Originator: hudek@roxanne.llnl.gov

<||>

Curiosity knocks...

My wife told me of a female aquaintance who was considering moving
to Australia, but was put off by what she (the aquaintance) claimed was
an "official" dual-scale salary structure based on gender, where females
are paid less than males.

Now to me, "official" means enacted by and/or enforced by the 
government, but I suppose it could also refer to a practice generally
engaged in and commonly accepted and approved of. (oops, ended a sentence
with a preposition... my old English teacher would have a heart
attack! :-) )

So my question: is that really true? Is there an officially sanctioned or
generally accepted practice of paying women less money than men for doing
the *exact* *same* *job*? Is there really a dual pay-scale in 1992 Australia?

In the USA, reports come out periodically that point out a disparity
between male and female wages for the same types of jobs, but it's not the
sort of thing folks generally approve of... efforts are being made to
eliminate any wage discrimination based on sex (in fact, it's illegal).
There seems to be a certain social inertia that hinders the quick elimination
of this wage disparity, but even though it still exists to some extent,
it is not "officially sanctioned".

Someone who just saw such a report without the big picture might
mistakenly assume that the US has an "official" dual wage scale policy.
I wonder if that's what has happened with my wife's friend.
I have a hard time believing that a dual pay structure could be
accepted and approved of in Australia this late into the 20th century...
but I could be wrong. Anyone know for sure ?


djh@llnl.gov
<disclaimer: the above are personal opinions only. they are not meant to
 represent the position of any official (or unofficial :-) ) agency
 or organization>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: brennan@coco.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: Miscarriages Of Justice
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:36:22 GMT

	Hi people!!

	I've spent the afternoon reading

	TRAVESTY!
	Miscarriages Of Justice

	by Academics For Justice
	C/- The Secretary, Law School, Academics for JUSTICE
	Macquarie University, 2109

	Anybody seen this yet? It's rather disturbing, yet after watching
	Evil Angels the other night, it fitted in rather well.

	sigh... kinda ruins ones' trust in the OZ legal systems....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: gstone@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Glenn Stone)
Subject: Re: Making Cricket Exciting
Originator: gstone@topsy.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Reply-To: gstone@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Glenn Stone)
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:30:25 GMT


In article <7465@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
|> In <839@pico.OZ> dean@pico.OZ (Dean Economou) writes:
|> 
|> >I shall probably be flamed for even suggesting that cricket is tedious
|> >and dull to watch.
|> 
|> Not by me you won't! :-)
|> 
|> >		     But ever since I was little, I can remember that the
|> >only fun bits were bowling and batting.  This set me thinking as to how
|> >the game could be made more interesting.  The obvious solution is to let
|> >the whole team bowl and bat:  Just think of 11 pitches, 11 people
|> >bowling and batting, all at the same time.  To my mind this would be a
|> >much more interesting game.  Apart from the way it would stimulate
|> >sporting goods manufacturing, the higher rate of injuries would add to
|> >the game's popularity on television.
|> 
|> >Perhaps some of you sports lovers out there could think of different
|> >variations, or even other games that could be improved?  :-)
|> 
|> It can be improved.  The pitches mustn't be parallel or widely spaced.  They
|> must be placed randomly on the cricket ground, with at least 7 pitch crossings.
|> Each bowler is given 3 balls at a time which must be bowled all at once, down
|> 3 different pitches.  No warning is given as to which pitches are being bowled
|> down.  There's only one wicket keeper (poor guy!), and umpires are optional.
|> 
|> :-)
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> 
|> Rhys Weatherley, member of the "Stamp Out Cricket on TV that causes Star Trek
|> to be Cancelled Society".   [Actually, if cricket was modified in this fashion,
|> I may not mind Star Trek being cancelled, because cricket would be so much
|> more interesting! :-)]
|> 
|> +=====================+==================================+
|> ||  Rhys Weatherley   |  The University of Queensland,  ||
|> ||  rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  |  Australia.  G'day!!            ||
|> ||       "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"         ||
|> +=====================+==================================+

  Australian Rules Cricket!

Glenn
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 11:42:58 CDT
From: <U22822@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject:    LOOKING FOR A PENPAL IN AUSTRALIA

I AM LOOKING FOR A PENPAL IN AUSTRALIA FOR CULTURAL EXCHANGE.

PLEASE E -MAIL ME.

MATT
U22822@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:2467 soc.culture.bangladesh:2221 soc.culture.brazil:868
From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:36:24 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of engineering you may like to
do a questionnaire through email, on the subject "Building
Management Systems". This questionnaire is being done by 
your counterparts at USA, CAN, & UK. Comparison will be 
made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

Come and Join the party !!

-------------------------------------------------------------
K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
-------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: kym@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (R. Kym Horsell)
Subject: Re: Cocky stories (was Golden Syrup)
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:33:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.110912.88558@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>        Hmmm, OK, I'll tell one of my favourite cocky stories while I'm
>at it.
>...

Liked it.

But what is the best way to prepare the bird for eating?

Apparently the preferred method is to put several large stones
in a pot with the bird, after removing feathers of course, along
with various seasonings to taste. Add some vegetables as well.
You have to cook it over a low campfire (what else?) for several 
hours -- cocky flesh is a bit on the rough side. After cooking throw 
the cocky away and eat the stones.

-kym
Subject: Re: Software Virus Rocks Music Industry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: dundee@beyond.black-stump.outback.oz.au (Mick Dundee)
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:24:21 GMT
Originator: Crocman@beyond.black-stump.outback.oz.au (Crocodile Dundee)
Organization: Beyond the Black Stump

In article <1992Apr1.062233.16450@trl.oz.au>, lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU
(Liron Lightwood) wrote:
> 
>                       SOFTWARE VIRUS ROCKS MUSIC INDUSTRY 
[a virus that makes everyone sound like Jimmy Barnes]
[the rest deleted]

Fair go, mate!!  *That's* not an April Fool joke.  Nah!  *This* is an
April Fool joke!

Cheers,
 
Mick.
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: dog lovers from down under
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:02:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.210205.21233
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

G'day all !

I am in search of dog-lovers from Australia.  I have owned, exhibited and bred 
Australian Cattle Dogs for four years now.  I am interested in corresponding with fellow ACD lovers
and comparing notes, trading photos, pedigrees, etc.  I  have dreamed of going to Australia all my life...
*SIGH*...one of these days I'll make it !!  I would love to attend the big Easter shows down there.....
this year I'll be settling on the shows in Baltimore, MD !!!  (BIG *SIGH* !)  Until then I will have to 
be happy with a pen-pal or two (or three, or four.....)  

 Hope to hear from some ACD lovers from "down under" soon !

Kathy Buetow/ Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs/kathy_buetow@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
PROUDLY owned and loved by Hobart, Oreo, Double Stuff, Yonder, Katie......and Beep.
From: casley@Tarski.Stanford.EDU (Ross Casley)
Subject: Re: Constitutional amendments (was: question on aborigines)
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.210416.2269@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>Hey, you forgot the Hutt River Province!  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

Trying to get me drummed out of the clan, are you?  Anyway, we were
talking about the provinces of Australia, not foreign countries.

(I hasten to point out that I know of no connection between the Casley's
of Hutt River and my own family.  Whenever they were mentioned my
grandmother would deny (strenuously) that we were related to them.  Still,
it's not that common a name.)

-Ross
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: World Cup Cricket: Readers' Survey .....
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:47:52 GMT

	We conducted a survey in few newsgroups including this just before
the start of the World Cup 1992. We posted the "final gradings" of all the 
participants of this survey a while ago in rec.sport.cricket. Pl. refer to 
that if you are one of the  participants (or if  you are interested).  You 
may send a note to the above address, if you want a copy of it.

Thanks,

Vicky and John,
UMass, Apr 07
From: sdb@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Burge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: What happened to The Oils?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:19:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Anybody have a clue what The Oils are up to at the moment?

The last thing I heard which had anything to do with them was from
some music mag here which said their manager had bought some land
(correct me if i'm wrong) in tasmania which was totally against
everything they stand for.

Any planned releases in the near future? The group aren't too big
over here. It took INXS bloody ages to get anywhere in the top 10!

The last thing I got of theirs was Blue Sky Mining.

Stu.

P.S. E-street is worse than Neighbours.

-----
Stuart Burge
sdb@ukc.ac.uk
Canterbury University, England.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Chris the wonder Scout)
Subject: Auto number plates from down under
Summary: American collector wants to trade
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:06:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

G'day everyone!
I am a collector of number plates, with a special interest in Australia
and the Pacific.  I would like to trade with collectors for issues
from any state or territory.

Especially I need Norfolk and Cocos Islands, any Bicentennary issue (yeah,
I know it will cost me an arm and a leg and my firstborn), and other
commemoratives.  A buddy of mine from the NT just told me they have issued
a plate to commemorate the bombing of Darwin in February 1942.

I have a large batch of swaps from most US states, so let me know if you
are interested.

Yours in Plating,
Chris Fitch

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: shirley@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Glenn Shirley)
Subject: Re: Australia's REAL Royal Family
Keywords: Leonard and Shirley
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:55:48 GMT

jasonh@aeras.uucp (Jason Harris) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.130053.88533@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>>        Hutt River Province is not a member of the Commonwealth of Australia.
>>Hutt River is an independant Principality (It's run by a Prince), with it's
>>own administration (and currency, postage stamps, etc). Having a passport
>>when going there is appreciated. The Prince is from Eastern Europe (I can't
>>remember his name or exactly which country he's from), and fled Europe to
>>escape either the nazi's or the Russian takeover of Eastern Europe.
>>

>Prince Leonard and Princess Shirley, if I remember correctly. Hutt River
>Province is up near Geraldton in WA. Nobody takes Hutt River Province too 
>seriously, the tourists go there and get postcards while Princess Shirley
>makes tea and scones. Prince Leonard was (and I think still is) a farmer. He
>originally decided to secede from the rest of the country for the purposes 
>of avoiding taxation. The taxation department doesn't entirely agree with
>Prince Leonard's self imposed independent status.

>When we had the last CHOGM (Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting OR
>Coons Holiday On Government Money) Prince Leonard was reportedly
>distressed that he wasn't invited.

I bet he still pays his taxes to the Australian government too.

--
Glenn Shirley                     Email : shirley@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au
Dept. of E & E Eng. UWA 	  Voice : +61 09 459 8613

"God told me to skin you alive" - Dead Kennedy's from 'I Kill Children'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: smcneil@metro (Shannon McNeil)
Subject: Re: What happened to The Oils?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:37:35 GMT

From article <4183@gos.ukc.ac.uk>, by sdb@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Burge):

> 
> P.S. E-street is worse than Neighbours.
> 
> -----
> Stuart Burge
> sdb@ukc.ac.uk
> Canterbury University, England.


Maybe,  but NOTHING is worse than East-Enders!!!!!!

Shannon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Constitutional amendments (was: question on aborigines)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:04:16 GMT


In article <1992Apr6.044649.27892@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au writes:
>casley@Tarski.Stanford.EDU (Ross Casley) writes:
>|>Are there other territories?
>|I'm not sure.  A few Pacific and Indian Ocean islands might be
>|territories, places like Norfolk Island and Pitcairn Island and
>|the Cocos Islands.  I'm really unsure about the status of the 
>|Australian Antarctic territories.  They might not be considered
>|part of Australia at all, despite the name.
>
>The following territories are mostly administered as part of
>Australia, and have significant permanent populations (i.e., more than
>several hundreds, but not more than several thousands each):

(original list omitted)

Hey, you forgot the Hutt River Province!  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

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