HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: The old "are humans veggies or carnivores" thing
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:39:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.93431
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Yes, EB, I just returned from a long hiatus.

In article <92959@netnews.upenn.edu> barkdoll@cattell.psych.upenn.edu
    (Edwin Barkdoll) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.024653.11030@u.washington.edu>
    jespah@carson.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:

>> [Preamble deleted, including the appropriate comment that the
>> category of omnivory is conspicuously missing]

>>So here's the article:

[Please note that the >> stuff was posted by Kathleen Hunt, but *not*
written by her--MR]

>>MEAT-EATER         LEAF/GRASS-EATER    FRUIT-EATER         HUMANS
>>----------         ----------------    -----------         ------
>>lion, wolf, dog    elephant, cow,      anthropoid apes     humans
>>cat, etc.          sheep, llama, etc.
>>
>>eats flesh, bones  eats leaves, grass, eats fruits, nuts,  different for 
>>etc.               herbs, plants, etc. etc.                each culture
>>
>>claws              no claws            no claws            no claws
>
>	This person has obviously never handled many small wild
>mammals - e.g. squirrels, rabbits ... their _claws_ are quite capable
>of scratching.  Also sloths which are folivores have quite formidable
>claws.  The giant ground sloth (extinct but rumored to be as large or
>larger than modern elephants - any paleontology types out there?) was
>herbivorous I think and also possessed claws I think.  So - bogus
>distinction.

I can't recall as that they were larger then modern elephants, but I
can most certainly attest that giant sloths had claws.  In fact I
visited a set of caverns when I was a kid (it might have been the
Grand Canyon Caverns or Lehman's cave--I don't remember), and there
were some very wicked scratch marks on one of the rock walls.  These
marks were said to have been made by a giant sloth that fell into the
cavern and was trying to find a way out.  I've also suffered some
scratches from a rabbit's claws and can attest that they're nothing
to be sneezed at either.

>>pointed fangs,     no fangs longer     no fangs longer     no fangs longer 
>>longer than teeth  than teeth          than teeth          than teeth 
>
>	Well, there are frugivorous bats for instance with large
>"fangs".  Male horses often have large canines.  Pigs (omnivores) have
>large canines, hippos (herbivores) have enormous canines... Even _my_
>canines, albeit puny, are a tad longer.

Yes, this argument seems to rely on fangs having only one purpose.
It's odd that rather than admit that there is an additional use for
fangs (in threat displays amongst primates--are you out there HH?),
the above table misrepresents the facts that most (all?) primates have
fangs, including gorillas.  I don't think gorillas *ever* eat meat
unless you include ants in the "meat" category.

>Edwin Barkdoll
>barkdoll@cattell.psych.upenn.edu
>eb3@world.std.com

What you couldn't add barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu? :-)

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: Seed versus sprout
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:51:08 GMT

In article <5q4JsB2w165w@waffle.sns.com>, jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw) writes:
>I was shooed away by the local reference librarian for trying
>to find sources for the answer to the following question.  
>I am almost sure the information exists somewhere. . .  
>What is the difference in the chemical makeup of a seed (any will
>do, but preferably common food seeds such as sunflower) after it
>is sprouted?  I once heard that a seed converts some of its fat
>to starch in the sprouting process, any ideas for finding out
>information will be deeply appreciated.
>
>----
As the embryo begins to sprout, its food stores are converted into plant
material.  Food stores being sunflower oil in that case, starch in the 
case of beans, etc.)

Plant material means proteins and carbohydrates that make up the plant
structure (along with a very little fat).  The primary component of the stem
of the sprout is cellulose, a special starch which gives it strength and which
is indigestible to humans.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Q:  "What must I do to convince you people?"  ^  Tom Thatcher
^ WORF:   "Die."                                ^  University of Rochester
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From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: The old "are humans veggies or carnivores" thing
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:21:14 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems

In article <1992Oct15.013009.20252@massey.ac.nz>, A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) writes:
|> Apes do not eat mostly fruit
|> they eat mostly vegetables but also insects, and hunt and kill and
|> eat monkeys.
|> 
|> Seems we are more like pigs and other omnivores than specialist
|> carnivores cited.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> -----------------------------------------------------------------
|> Arnold Chamove
|> Massey University Psychology
|> Palmerston North, New Zealand

Are you not forgetting about orangutans?

Daryl
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.mech,sci.energy
From: whitlock@dcss.mcmaster.ca (Jeremy Whitlock)
Subject: Re: COOL HEADS...   HOT HEADS
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:57:41 GMT

In article <1ar1k8INNfso@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> davidt@ecst.csuchico.edu (David Taylor) writes:

>I woudl be greatful if
>someone would beable to provide me with the amount of watts or joules 
>leaving a head.  or suggestions on where to get this information.

Exotemp, in Pembroke, Ontario (613 area code), is in the business of making 
ice-water cooled body suits.  I don't know if they deal with cooling of the 
head, but if you talk to one of their designers, I'm sure they'd have some 
information that would help.
-- 
Jeremy Whitlock                 "My thoughts are mine, not Mac's"
Dept. Engineering Physics
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  
Xref: sparky sci.bio:3612 bionet.molbio.evolution:374 talk.origins:13082
From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)
Newsgroups: sci.bio,bionet.molbio.evolution,talk.origins
Subject: Re: What Genomes have been Sequenced?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:25:02 GMT
Followup-To: sci.bio
Organization: University of California, San Diego


How many bp are in the total human genome?

-fm
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deidre byrne)
Subject: Re: Sleeping
Summary: try bottlenose dolphins
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:12:10 GMT

In article <92283.110837E65292@TRMETU.BITNET>, Gokhan Tolun <E65292@TRMETU.BITNET> writes:
> Which species never sleep ?
> 
> 
>                                                          E65292@TRMETU

Depends on what you mean by sleep, of course.
Most invertebrate species dont sleep in the way mammals do (REM sleep,
slow-wave sleep, etc.), though many have periods of inactivity.  To my
knowledge, little research has been done on determining whether response
thresholds are raised during these periods for invertebrate species.

The "highest" species for which the claim is made that they never sleep is
the bottlenose dolphin.  Sorry, dont know the scientific name.

-- Mike Weale
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Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: maximum age of various animals
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:33:08 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


    Does anyone know about the maximum (not average) life expectancies
of various species? What are the longest-lived species? I've heard
that certain parrots and large turtles live for well over 100 years.
Is this true? Are their evolutionary relatives similarly long-lived,
or are there large differences in maximum life expectancy between
closely-related species?  What are some current ideas as to why this
is the case? Any references to review articles on the basic causes of
aging? Please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
From: mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: Origin of Life-DNA
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:50:41 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <0epWD4S00iUyI7LpEu@andrew.cmu.edu> ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sreyas Srinivasan) writes:
>   I am a sophomore biology major at Carnegie-Mellon University in
>Pittsburgh. I happen to be very, very interested in evolutionary science
>and the origins of life. My bio book only gives a brief description of
>how DNA may have come into being (in reverse, from an RNA template). Are
>there any other theories out there about how it may have happened?

Arguing at quite an abstract level, Richard Dawkins' "The Selfish Gene",
and "The Blind Watchmaker" (both Penguin books, the latter is ISBN 0-14-008056-2)
are well worth the read... very well written.
--

Malcolm SHUTE.         (The AM Mollusc:   v_@_ )        Disclaimer: all
Newsgroups: sci.bio,bionet.molbio.evolution,talk.origins
From: gmartin@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (George Martin)
Subject: Re: What Genomes have been Sequenced?
Organization: NRAO
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:13:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.233031.18754@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley) writes:
>In article <robison1.718663846@husc10> robison1@husc10.harvard.edu (Keith Robison) writes:
>>sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley) writes:
>>>Two human chromosomes have been sequenced.  The Y and the smallest of the
>>>remaining ones (can't remember its designation).
>
>>Sigh.  If only it were true. Unfortunately, Y and 23q have only been
>>mapped into a complete set of cloned DNA fragments.
>
>I reread the article, and you're correct about the sets of DNA fragments.
>However, it was Y and chromosome 21, not 23, if anyone cares :-).
>From the October 3 issue of Science Digest.

This is also referenced in this week's _Science_ or the issue which
arived in Socorro, N.M this week; it is the issue which starts a new
volume.  The paper which presents one of the chromosomes is in this
issue.  I think that the article which mentions both chromosomes (in
Science) said the other paper is in _Nature_.  I forget which issue it
was.

The summary article which mentions both papers had a headline/title
which include a phrase on the order of 2 down and 22 to go.  Took me
a minute figure out why 23 - 2 was 22 :-)
-- 
George Martin
Systems Analyst                     NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Internet: gmartin@something.aoc.nrao.edu
"Skating away on the thin ice of the new day."  (Ian Anderson)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: eco@matsim.udmurtia.su (Stashenko Alexander)
Subject: Ornithological databases: looking for contacts
Reply-To: eco@matsim.udmurtia.su
Organization: Udmurt university and Mathematical simulation institute
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:42:28 GMT

Dear colleagues,

    I'm very interested in ornitological databases. I want to develop nest
biology and bird census databases in our university to all ornitologists
in our region (or may be in Russia in total). I think such databases are in
the world and I am interested in base structures to be possible add our data
to databases already exists.
    I'll be glad to receive any information about it.

Yours,
Alexander Stashenko

Ecology Modelling Lab.
Udmurt State University
Izhevsk
Russia
-- 



Xref: sparky sci.bio:3551 talk.environment:4187 sci.environment:11902 alt.activism:17434 misc.rural:2235
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: sci.bio,talk.environment,sci.environment,alt.activism,misc.rural
Subject: Re: World Food Prize Awarded for Eco-Friendly War on Pests
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:12:55 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct13.090556.16359@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
= World Food Prize Awarded for Eco-Friendly War on Pests, Securing
=Global Food Supply

=   SIT takes mass quantities of laboratory-raised, sterilized insects
=and releases them in infested areas where the sterlized males mate
=with native females.  This break in the insect's life cycle
=drastically reduces the number of offspring, thus bringing the
=population of unwanted or harmful pests to manageable levels.
=Insects threatening livestock, fruit, vegetable and fiber crops have
=been suppressed using SIT.

Gee.  At last.  An application of nuclear technology that the Greenies like!
Or is it that they don't know HOW the insects are sterilized?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Subject: Re: The old "are humans veggies or carnivores" thing
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:30:09 GMT

Apes do not eat mostly fruit
they eat mostly vegetables but also insects, and hunt and kill and
eat monkeys.

Seems we are more like pigs and other omnivores than specialist
carnivores cited.




-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Arnold Chamove
Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Seed versus sprout
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:30:32 GMT

In <1992Oct15.015108.12817@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher) writes:

>In article <5q4JsB2w165w@waffle.sns.com>, jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw) writes:
>>I was shooed away by the local reference librarian for trying
>>to find sources for the answer to the following question.  
>>I am almost sure the information exists somewhere. . .  
>>What is the difference in the chemical makeup of a seed (any will
>>do, but preferably common food seeds such as sunflower) after it
>>is sprouted?  I once heard that a seed converts some of its fat
>>to starch in the sprouting process, any ideas for finding out
>>information will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>>----
>As the embryo begins to sprout, its food stores are converted into plant
>material.  Food stores being sunflower oil in that case, starch in the 
>case of beans, etc.)

>Plant material means proteins and carbohydrates that make up the plant
>structure (along with a very little fat).  The primary component of the stem
>of the sprout is cellulose, a special starch which gives it strength and which
>is indigestible to human^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some of the changes during sprouting are beneficial from a nutritional
point of view. Storage proteins are converted to enzymes, which tend
to have a better balance of amino acids. 

Also the bound (biologically unavailable) forms of niacin become more
available as germination proceeds. Other changes in vitamin content
that tend to be beneficial to humans also happen. There is a paper on
this in Cereal Chemistry (i think) one of the authors is Marion Fields.
Hope this helps. 
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.mech,sci.energy
From: rizzo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (anthony.r.rizzo)
Subject: Re: COOL HEADS... HOT HEADS
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:13:48 GMT

All this talk about the cooling load generated by a person's head
baffles me.  Has anyone considered the cooling load generated by
the sun on a humid summer day?  Compared to the solar gain,
the "head gain" is trivial!  Any design worth the paper on which
it's specified simply has to account for the solar gain.

Tony Rizzo
att.com!hogpb!rizzo
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: debrown@athena.mit.edu (Master)
Subject: DNA sequence lists?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:05:12 GMT

Hi. Does anyone have acces to DNA sequence lists?

What I am looking for is any listing of ATCGGAATTATACCG for ANY gene (human)
or any piece of any gene.

If someone has a listing like this, could you please send.


P.S. - Dont sent anything over ~ 3000 chars long.

 
Thanks.

Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.mech,sci.energy
From: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Subject: Re: COOL HEADS...   HOT HEADS
Reply-To: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Organization: Division of Marine Engineering
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:49:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.093924.20342@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
|> Hmmm. You could stick your head in a bucket of water and measure the
|> temperature rise in the water.

	The question is : For how long. ;-) 

|> Gary

	Hallvard Paulsen
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: Pheromones.
From: robison1@husc10.harvard.edu (Keith Robison)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:51:44 GMT
Distribution: na

gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca (Gary Katch) writes:

>A few years ago I saw a story on a human pheromone study.
>The experiment tested the effects of male scent (extract of
>armpit sweat, as I recall!) on females.  The women in the
>study group were not in relationships, and they received daily
>dabs of male scent on the upper lip.  The study group experienced
>more regular menstrual cycles, leading the researchers to
>believe that a man's presence could affect a woman's biology.

>Now, I have some questions for you:
>  Have you heard of this study?
>  Did I get the facts straight?
>  What is the source of the article?

Something on this appeared in late October -- early November 1985 
in the Washington Post, except I believe it involved female sweat
and female subjects (I was in DC for a conference for a week around then
and remember seeing it during that time -- being a true newspaper addict
I would definitely been reading the Post and not the Times or USA Today :-)

Keith Robison
Harvard University
Department of Cellular & Developmental Biology
Department of Genetics / HHMI

robison@ribo.harvard.edu
From: francis@monod.Biol.McGill.CA (Francis Ouellette)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: What Genomes have been Sequenced?
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:11:23 GMT
Organization: McGill University

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.005050.11581@s1.gov>, lip@s1 (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>>	I bring this up because of recent news of the complete
>>sequencing of a yeast chromosome, #3.

>This was a landmark paper in SCIENCE a few months ago.  For the first
>time, biology has achieved "real science" status on par with particle
>physics: over a hundred authors on a single paper.

Well actually it was Nature (Oliver et al (sorry for the 146 others, but
this is done just to save bandwith ...) 1992 357:38-46

and as an addition to Keith Robison's comments, 3 others are on their way
to completion, Chromosomes I, II and XI ...  but more on that when I get
back from the Yeast Genome Meetings next week in Munich ...

regards,

francis


--
| B.F. Francis Ouellette  
| manager, yeast chromosome I project
| dept of biology, McGill university, Montreal, Qc, Canada
| francis@monod.biol.mcgill.ca
From: ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sreyas Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Origin of Life-DNA
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:28:52 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I am a sophomore biology major at Carnegie-Mellon University in
Pittsburgh. I happen to be very, very interested in evolutionary science
and the origins of life. My bio book only gives a brief description of
how DNA may have come into being (in reverse, from an RNA template). Are
there any other theories out there about how it may have happened?

                                            Sreyas Srinivasan
                                            Over the hills and far away

                                    
Xref: sparky sci.bio:3614 sci.environment:12086
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.environment
Subject: HELP: Animal Behavior Question
Keywords: Animal Behavior Fighting Killing
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:47:54 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas


  I hope someone out there can end a "discussion" a co worker and I have
  be having.

  My side of the discussion is:

   No mammal species [technically the discussion is about a "certain type
   of ram - I can't remember which,"  but I extened my argument] when fighting
   a rival of the same species for territory/mates routinely or intentionally
   kills its opponent.

  The other side is:

   A "certain type of ram - I can't remember which" kills its opponents
   when fighting for territory/mates.  (With the implied meaning of this
   being the norm.)

  Feel free to elaborate beyond mammals if you wish.  Insects DO kill, i.e.
  rival queen bees, but I don't know about birds, reptiles or marine life.

  Any information greatly appreciated, please E-mail if possible.

-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
From: robison1@husc10.harvard.edu (Keith Robison)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: are there any toroidal cells?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:27:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.robison1.719263642

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>Idle question: are any cells topologically toroidal, either throughout
>their life or as a phase of significant duration?

>If not, why not?


With the existence of large banks of cells linked by multiple 
*gap junctions (animals) and plasmodesmata (sp?, plants), 
many cells are "beyond" toroidal (sorry -- I don't
know the correct topology-ese).  Nuclear membranes of eukaryotes
are in a similar situation.

Keith Robison
Harvard University
Department of Cellular & Developmental Biology
Department of Genetics / HHMI

robison@ribo.harvard.edu 

* -- these are pores which directly link the cytoplasms of adjacent cells,
     allowing the passage of molecules smaller than an exclusion limit.
Xref: sparky sci.bio:3536 bionet.molbio.evolution:365 talk.origins:12871
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.bio,bionet.molbio.evolution,talk.origins
Subject: Re: What Genomes have been Sequenced?
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:49:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Keith Robison writes:
> 	Chloroplast -- liverwort, tobacco, rice, beechdrops
> 	Plant mitochondrial -- liverwort (Chlamydomonas? -- I'm not sure)
> 	Arabidopsis  -- a few cosmid-sized (50Kb) segments done.

Ah, the zoological biases strike again ;-)

Chlamydomonas is an alga.

Arabidopsis, tobacco, rice and beechdrops are flowering plants (angiosperms).
The chloroplast genome of beechdrops is interesting because this is a
non-green parasite derived from holotropic ancestors.

Kay Klier  (stray botanist)