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From: verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: DIE NOW /Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:48:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.004819.18501
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec13.061901.16496@mail.cornell.edu> ml12@cornell.edu (Mark Lipsits) writes:
>In article <101663@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
>sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
>>  A idet ona o tom, chto chelovek, a imenno Mark Lipsits, nikak ne
>>  mozhet nauchit'sja obraschat'sja s komputerom, a ot togo pripisyvaet
>>  mne chuzhie slova. A pripisav ih mne, delaet duratskii vyvod o moem
>>  chuvstve umora. Povod-to, vrode by v dannom sluchae i pustjashnyi, no
>>  ja opasaus' kak by eto ne pereroslo v privychku. 

>I just want to clear some misuderstanding here.  Sergei, I never tried to
>pu someone else's words in your mouth -- I was replying to that strange
>outburst about "economical Jews"  
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   Please, understand me, I am using a Mac
>which has barely enough memory to run System 7.  

	Dunno about Jewishness, but the dweeb is economical indeed!

>The computer itself is a
>nusance.  
          For other netters more than for Lipshits

>Plus, very often, when I try to post an article it says that
>"connection has timed out", and then it assumes all the responsibility
>for my article, leaving me without a clue on what to do.  
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		I cannot disagree there.

>(I'll be glad to recieve any suggestions)

	Suggestions? DIE NOW!

>As for the people who did not think the jokes were funny -- it is their
>right.  I personally think that there are a lot of jokes being posted
>that lack a sense of humor.

	I cannot disagree there as well - in fact *all* of jokes
	being posted here lack this excluding (a) a brilliant joke
	by Yu. Smirnov about three cowboys Bill, Dgo and Verbitsky
	and (b) some of jokes by STCL@MUSICC.CC.UGA.EDU
	(one about 100 portions of ice-cream and one about
	tomato juice). All others are stupid, stale and
	do not belong to soc.culture.soviet. I guess we
	need to start alt.jokes.vulis or alt.jokes.soviet
	(as alt.jokes.stupid exists already) and dump
	all jokeposting idiots starting with Vulis
	and Lipshits there.

	Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: How Finns see Russia
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:54:54 GMT

I would say generally that there are too factors which are mixed.

1) 	Finns were/are afraid of Russian state - I think that many Russians
    share this feeling with other nations in the x-Empire.
    
2)  Finns tend to feel pity for Russian People (prostie ljudi/narod)

My great grand-father when he went shopping in Februrary 1918 with my
8-year-old grandfather and sent him back home with horse to tell that
he had gone to unarm Russian troops (Finland had declared itself
independent 6th December 1917 and People's Comissars had accepted it
4th January, 1918). When he came back it had taken four months to raise
war against Finnish Reds and revolutionized Russians for indepenpent
Finland.

Soon after that he hired a Russian commersant, who had to had escaped
from St. Petersburg.

That means he accepted a Russian as suffering individual human being,
but he never accepted Russia as socio-economic system.

I have successfully explained this one time for a young ex-Soviet/Russian
diplomate, who was wondering this.

- olli -
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:12:53 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <101641@netnews.upenn.edu>, burshtey@two-step.seas.upenn.edu 
 (Alexander Burshteyn) writes:
> ...  A zato idiotskie fleimy posylat' po pustyashnym
> povodam togda dolzhno byt', naoborot, sovsem ne stydno i ochen' udobno.
> Chego tam, tol'ko pravil'nyye knopki nazhimay...
> 
> Alex Burshteyn

Kogda chelovek nachinaet protivorechit' samomu sebe eto odin iz priznakov
psikhicheskogo rasstroistva...  A mozhet byt' vse-taki dvulichnost'.  Sam
to chem zanimaeshsia???

Michael Martynov.

P.S.  Ia ne schitaiu chto eto plokho posylat' "idiotskie fleimy", a posemu
      u menia net protivorechiia mezhdu slovom i delom...  Sovetuiu podumat'.
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Will Russia stand beside Serbia?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:44:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec20.154305.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>
>Now, if you talk about "Slavic brothers", then don't include Bulgaria in this
>list, for it's a common mistake to call them Slavic, while they are not Slavs
>at all.  The other point is, that Serbs are not the only Slavic people of
>x-Yugoslavia.  What about Bosnians and Herzegovinian, along with Croats?  Well,
>Croats are Muslim, but they still Slavs, and the obligations of Russia toward

Let others correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians slavs? I would like
to see some more arguments against this. They were concurred by Bulgarians from
Volga, from whom they inherited the name and about nothing else, but who of
slavs was not?

As for Croatians, aren't they Catholics. It's Bosnians who are Muslims, aren't
they. It's true that Bulgarians and Serbs, beeing Orthodox were closer to Russia
then other Slavs.

Yury M.
From: smccross@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: NEEDED: Russian Swear Words/Vulgarities!
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:54:03 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Well, some of you will have fun with this, while others
may think it offensive, but I need a little help here.
Having studied Russian for two years, I am preparing
to spend 4-6 months in Moscow beginning in February.
I am somewhat concerned that my fine teachers have not
taught me all the words I need to know, however....

I would appreciate it if some of you would e-mail me
Russian words that you think might be helpful to me --
in particular, swear words or vulgarities that I might
hear a little more than the language I picked up in
<Pikovaya Dama> (Pushkina) this year....

Anxiously awaiting your replies (khotya, mozhet buit,
ya durak)....

			Scott

PS: I don't know any transliteration schemes...I hope I
    did reasonably well above.
From: acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Last tost"
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:13:05 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


I'M SORRY, POEM "LAST TOST" REALLY BELONGS TO 
ANNA AXMATOVA AND I ASHAMED THAT I DID SUCH A MISTAKE
AS WRITING THAT CVETAEVA WROTE IT. I'M GOING UNSAIN,
I GUESS. 
BUT IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT LIKE TRANSLATION MAYBE YOU
SHOULD TRY TO DO IT BETTER?
SORRY AGAIN FOR EXTREMELY STUPID MISTAKE, THANKS FOR
CORRECTION.

REGARDS,
IGOR
V GLUSHI WISCONSII
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.224154.18651@husc3.harvard.edu> Mikhail S.
Verbitsky, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu writes:
>was called) Zionistic. The *real* nationalistic or monarchistic
>dissident activity (like the _Veche_ samizdat magazine)
>was persecuted more heavily than ordinary dissident activity.
>The reason is very simple: authorities saw more populist potential
>in "bei zhidov spasai Rossiyu" dissidents than in usual
>"human right above all" ones.

Don't you think that Russian nationalism based on monarchistic
integentsiya,
would have speeded up collapse of the Soviet philosophy:"Peace and
sosialism -
friendship of the nationalities". Common human rights stuff may appeal to
an
American, but it does not appeal to an ordinary Russian, who still lives
in
society of tutional government instead of constitutional government (A
Chinese
consept of military-tuitional-constitutional government).

- olli -
From: acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: POEM
Date: 10 Dec 92 10:38:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


		* * *

VSEGO KAKOI-TO OKEAN,
NEMNOZKO, MOZET S TINOI,
I VOT BEZ DRAKI L'UT V STAKAN
I MIASO V MAGAZINAX.

I NETY ZAVISTI V DYSHE,
NEVEZESTVA I LENI;
VSE TAK KAK V TIXOM SHALASHE
MECHTAL TOVARISH LENIN.

A RIADOM BUL ESHO SARAI
I PEN', TOT, NA KOTOROM
PISAL IL'ICH, SHTO SYSCHII RAI
V ROSSII BYDET SKORO.

A SHTO IMEEM MY SEICHAS ?
NA PEREKRIOSTKAX TANKI,
SARAI, SHALASH I PEN' Y NAS,
A SYSCHII RAI Y YONKI.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: cancel <GOROKHO1.92Dec15162921@husc10.harvard.edu>
From: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky)
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:25:18
Organization: Physicists for Poetry
In-reply-to: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 04:03:20 GMT

viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>Article-I.D.: ohstpy.15118.2b2e6438

> In article <GOROKHO1.92Dec15165802@husc10.harvard.edu>,
> gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky) writes:
>> Control: cancel <GOROKHO1.92Dec15162921@husc10.harvard.edu>
>   Really wise decision. 
I canceled it  because I noticed cross-posting to rec.humor. 
Yura M posted his article in Russian and I thought it would be
inappropriate to go on cross-posting the thread. 

>Was it your own or was it forced upon you by, say, Mr.Zeleny at
>gunpoint ? :-)

Only people who put smiley faces in their articles can have things
forced upon them at gun-point or otherwise. 
Zhenya
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: RUSSIAN IN RUSSIA
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:34:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <P2P9SL@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mbusch@gwdgv1.gwdg.de writes:

> My name is Nikolai Bashaikin. I am dean of German and English de
                                    ~
> partment at the university for linguistics at Nizni Novgorod /Russia/.
                             ~~~             ~~ 
> At present I am doing recearch at the university of Goettingen
                        ~~~~~~~~
> /Institute of intercultural didactics/.
> For some years we have successfully taught foreigners, including
> US-citizens in the Russian language in four crash courses bisides 
                                                            ~~~~~~~
> the regular academic programm.
                       ~~~~~~~~   
> If you interested, please, contact Bashaikin Nikolai
        ~
>     Russia  
>     603600 Nizni Novgorod
>     ul. Minina 31a  university for liguistics
>     phone  8312/36-20-42
>     fax    8312/36-20-49
> 
> Till Christmas I'll be at the university Goettingen
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                  ~

Funny! If the command  of language of the dean  of German and English Dept.
is so low, what about the rest staff?!! Is it the same in Russian?

> 
> Hope to see you in Nizni Novgorod!
> 

No way, man...

Cheers,

Greg
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10958 talk.politics.soviet:9644 soc.culture.europe:10381
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Estonia 12
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:04:29 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Mr.Hietaniemi writes:
In article <11952@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
writes:

>They [ Estonian Russian-speakers, A.M-T.] can't decide as citizens of Estonia whether they want to be
>Estonian or Russian citizens. Here we have the basic disagreement
>between us. Repeating the same does not lead anywhere.

We indeed disagree here.  I still think that the principle of the
priority of human rights demands: Citizenship First!

>Don't you agree with me that the naturalization of the Russian speakers
>that want to become Estonian citizens should be made as smooth as
>possible? 

Well, in a true democracy it would be automatic.  But since Estonia is
not a democracy I do agree with you.

>This is important: the Estonians would never accept you conditions.

I recognise this much.

>Consequently, you are not contributing to the solution of the problem
>- which can't be anything but a compromise - but fabricating excuses
>for extended quarrel, which I find unfortunate indeed.

As I see it there are two options BEFORE we begin to examine the
situation realistically.  One is democratic, and the other is not.
All I have been doing so far, is trying to make and justify this distinction.
NOW, it is possible to discuss the realistic option, which
unfortunately, is not the democratic one.

>The Russian speakers in Estonia have the freedom to decide, whether
>(1) They will be Estonian citizens and reside in Estonia
>(2) They will be Russian (or any Baltic or CIS) citizens and
>    reside in Estonia
>(3) They will be Russian (or any Baltic or CIS or Israel) citizens
>    and reside in respective countries or anywhere in the world.

If Estonia was a democracy Estonian Russian speakers would be making
this decision as Estonian citizens.  Given that this is not so and
given the fact that the gov-t of Estonia would never confer estonian
citizenship upon its Russian speaking subject automatically,
obataining Estonian citizenship should indeed be made as easy as
possible and the silly language requirment should be dropped.  BUT,
will the gov-t of Estonia accept THIS?  Especially if they have
themselves proclaimed that they are here to save the Estonian nation
and, as some members of Estonian parliament are fond of saying, to
eject the "colonists"?

>with best regards
>Tapani Hietaniemi
						With even better regards,
								A.M-T.
From: burshtey@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <101564@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.192741.26660@mail.cornell.edu> ml12@cornell.edu (Mark Lipsits) writes:
>>I guess  *you* lack the sense of humor to laugh about yourself.
>
>  Vy by nauchilis' sperva na *pravilnye* knopki nazhimat', a uzh 
>  potom by pisali u kogo, s vashei tochki zrenija otsutstvuet umor.

Deystvitel'no, o chem mozhet pisat' chelovek, kotoryy ne umeyet nazhimat'
na pravil'nyye knopki?! Prav byl Zhvanetskiy...

>  A to neudobno kak-to poluchaetsja.  Mne by bylo stydno, a Vam?

Nu, estestvenno, esli umeniye nazhimat' na pravil'nyye knopki schitat'
opredelyayushchim priznakom intelligentnogo cheloveka, to da, togda, konechno,
dolzhno byt' stydno i neudobno. A zato idiotskie fleimy posylat' po pustyashnym
povodam togda dolzhno byt', naoborot, sovsem ne stydno i ochen' udobno.
Chego tam, tol'ko pravil'nyye knopki nazhimay...

>>Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
>
> S.B.

Alex Burshteyn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind)
Subject: Re: Anekdot pro Vovochku i pogovorka
Reply-To: libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:53:16 GMT


In article <102184@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
||>  
|> >|>   po palke soskuchilas'?
|>  
|> >Po sebe merish?
|> 
|>   Strannaja logika. Devushka s grust'ju vspominaet svoi pionerskie
|>   gody, a ty - "po sebe merish". Zdes'-to, na zapade, ni domov
|>   pionerov, ni domov ofitserov - sovsem bednoi devushke podat'sja
|>   nekuda. Udivlen, chto prihodit'sja ob'jasnjat' ochevidnoe.
|>   
|>   S.B.
A po mne tak devushka napisala anekdote, khot' staryi no dovol'no smeshnoyi.
A kto to reshil devushku obdelat'.  
A Ya rposto vyrazil vozmuschenie po atomu povodu.
Vot i mne prishlos' vam ob^yasniat'
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11056 soc.culture.europe:10440 talk.politics.soviet:9701
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: RENAME ?!!
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:11:22 GMT

Timur Y. Ruban (RUBAN@hartford.bitnet) wrote:
: >>I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IT IS TIME TO RENAME
: >>THIS NEWSGROUP. SOVIET UNION DISAPPEARED MORE THAN A YEAR
: >>AGO AND WE STILL HAVE THIS NAME WHICH BECAME HISTORY.
: >
: >SU did, but not its culture. I would disagree. As things
: >progress now, we can get soc.culture.ostashkov soon.
: >On the other hand, shall the culture traditions we share
: >be changed in accordance to any new legislation the
: >honored people deputies pass?
: 
: Thumbs up!  You see, I think that the main problem in this soc.culture.soviet
: forum that we get here individuals only with the soc. and soviet. background,
: when the culture. one is completely absent at all, so to say.
:   I think that not the name, but content has to be changed.

Soc.culture.soviet is the same if there was a news-group
soc.culture.nazi-german.
I hope |you understand what I mean. Soviet culture is not russian culture.

I am for soc.culture.russian
privet,
jarmo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jbharlan@indyvax.iupui.edu (John B Harlan)
Subject: RE: unsubscribe
Organization: Dis(Organization)
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:22:25 -0500

In article <SCS-L%92121014031429@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>, EPUTILIN@UCS.INDIANA.EDU writes:
> please unsubscribe Elena Putilina from the list.  Too much volume and a lot
> stupid discussions.  Thanks
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From: linnan@lk-hp-17.hut.fi (Matti J Linnanvuori)
Subject: Re: How to avoid panslavism and toilets in Finland
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:58:15 GMT

In <1992Dec14.054554.16357@polaris.utu.fi> Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
>- Olli-Jukka Paloneva - (Oleg Olavovitsh Bolotov)
>	opaloneva@abo.fi

  I just wanted to know, if any Russian had asked about the origin of
your feminine sounding last name. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:29:32 GMT

IN DISCUSSING RUSSIAN CULPABILITY FOR COMMUNIST  CRIMES
verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:



>	Are you mad, Tapani? What Soviet Russia?
>	USSR was a superpower, but Russian nationalists
>	were persecuted much more cruelly than 
>	dissidents or Jewish otkazniks.


  Now, Misha, I think that you maid a lot of good points in the rest of your
leangthy article, but the overstatement quoted above really riles me.
  The fact is that the ONLY none- or anti- Communist groups tolerated
during the Brezhnev era were Russian nationalists. Witness the continuous
publication of Nash Sovremennik throughout that time. It may not have been
as virulent back then, but its ideological gist was as clear as it is now.
  Now try to imagine reading a Jewish-nationalist, a pro-Western-democratic-
dissident, or, for that matter Estonian-nationalist publication openly at that
time, and you will understand how silly this overstatement is, and also
how insulting it may be to those people who were prosecuted UNLIKE, rather
then LESS than Russian nationalists.
					      Greg.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Followup-To: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:46:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.101825.6642@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>}A "work camp" is a better choice than the overcrowded juvenile and federal
>}prisons, and a much better choice than the Darryl Gates and his ilk
>Have you ever been to one?  Ever known anyone whose been through their
>"treatment" programs?

Have you yourself been to either?  Most people who had spent serious 
time in jail (I am not talking 24-48 hours in the holding cell for political
protests) do not think of it as a great place.   Ar you so sure a labour
camp is any worse?
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11205 talk.politics.soviet:9798 soc.culture.europe:10553
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Russian Speakers in Estonia: The Linguistic Approach.
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:21:52 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Mr.Sommarskog writes:
Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu) writes:
>>  In Estonia nearly half of the population has been deprived the
>>civil rights only because of their ethnicity and language they speak.

>A lie doesn't become true because you repeat it over and over
>again. How do you explain that 40.000 Russians had the right
>to vote in the recent elections.

An exeption does not undermine the general truth of this statement.

>You know were very well what the rules were, and they were not 
>correlated with language, but with citizenship of 1940. And
>since you know these rules, but claim something else you are
>nothing but a liar.

Rules, rules.  There appear to be three possible modes in
which the question as to why Estonian Russian speakers have been
deprived of the right to vote can be answered.  One is LEGALISTIC, and
Mr.Sommarskog goes for this one.  The other, I shall call BIBLICAL,
and Mr.Tammet generally goes for it.  According to this view Russians
and their descendents are to blame for the crimes of Communism, BY
ASSOCIATION.  Lastly, there is the view that Estonians, for whatever
reason, are set on ejecting the Russian speaking population.  And to
the extent to which this group is identified by their language, with a
few exceptions, it is indeed the case that Russian speakers are
discriminated against on the basis of, or because of, THE LANGUAGE
THEY SPEAK.
>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
                                               Alexei M-T.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet