HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.215820.12274@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
> From article <1992Dec10.151743.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca:
[deleted]
>> In article <1992Dec10.004421.10199@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes: 
[deleted] 
> 
> Okay, one point is enough. There are a lot more though.
> 
> Taiwan, as an entity, takes care of it's 20 million people's welfare on
> it's own. Taiwan is already a country. Unfortunately, our KMT authority
> just don't want to give up a lot of nonsenses. It's a joke that our
> government just hate to say that Taiwan is a country. Instead, they
> still insist using ROC. Anyway, that's our own problem. People like me
> are still fighting for the fact.
> 
> Heng-Hsin
> 
-- 

I just want to make the points more clear.
Gemany and Korea had/have similar sitaution as Mainland and Taiwan, but they
want to be united.
Do you think people in Taiwan should have some kind of responsibility
towards the development of China?
Do you think the present movement in Taiwan for independence is related
more to the anti-government or more to a need for independence?
Will it be any immediately benefit for Taiwan for claiming independence?

Raymond Kwok
From: jiwu@ee.rochester.edu (Jian Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test, ignore
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:41:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

test:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Character problem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:20:33 GMT

In article <642@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>>*            ------       ---       /
>>*    |-  --- |---   |---  --|  +  -----   ----
>>*    O   O|  |  |   | O   O |  O  / O     / O  
>>*        \|  |---   |___   \|
>>*            |____
>>*                                         (stone)
>
>This conplete the answer set.  The first and the third are invalid
>as well as the following one:

I hope the following one will be officially acceptable someday:
  ------
    /
  ------
  |----|    = Noodle

Then we can have seven words, instead of six.

:-)   




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:30:03 GMT

As well as Mao, Stalin and Brejeniev (may miss-pronounced)
were born in December. They are all successful life-long rulers.
Those short-time-but-fantastic rulers were often born in spring:
Golbachev March, Lenin April (also Hitler)
When Jesus was born is still a research topic. But people celibrete his
birthday on Christmas, a date artificially defined quite later.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32816 soc.culture.hongkong:16355 talk.politics.china:3454
From: jkam@cs.ubc.ca (Johnny Kam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:55:34 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

In article <RPT=aG#@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>
>Fortunately, this will not happen. Deng Xiao Ping made
>a brave move in 1989 and firmly cracked down the threat
>to China. Like many of Chinese students, I demostrated
>in London in 1989 and shouted:"Down with Deng Xiao Ping."
>However, after I see what happened in Soviet Union and
>Eastern Europe, I know I was wrong. Deng Xiao Ping won
>my highest respect and my trust.
>

WHAT??? You are saying that killing thousands of young people a "right"
and "brave" move, and that the fight for democracy is a "threat" to 
a country!! You are truly the ULTIMATE ASSHOLE of the decade.
Your "highest respect" is not to respect the lives of human beings,
and to simply follow the foot steps of some idiots.  

EAT SHIT, ASSHOLE!!


>
>This article is tooooo long. I have to stop and will continue
>in my next article.
>

Why should you bother to continue arguing with the rest of the world?
Is it Deng's policy to kill anyone not complying?? Hey, you are not
being faithful to your master. You should go ki** yourself. Don't
waste your time here.

>
>J Chen
>Department of Chemistry
>University of Michigan

Obviously, you don't have the chemistry of fighting for democracy.
Try mix some water with highly concentrated acid to see what happened!


-- 

   Johnny Kam			University of British Columbia
<jkam@cs.ubc.ca>		Department of Computer Science
From: u3110avk@elm.circa.ufl.edu (peter chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:06:24 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec16.013903.4509@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>In article <BzBJC1.5GD@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>He was.
>
>No.
>Every man in the Universe is God's son. Every woman is God's daughter.
>Jesus was a son of God. So, he was your brother. Mao was your brother too.
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  The laws sometimes sleep, but never die.      --- Mr. Anonymous            |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If God is against Democracy, what will you choose?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ding@iastate.edu (Y.G. Ding)
Subject: Re: Character problem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:14:08 GMT

Just for the fun of it, let me add two more-I keep you original chart "rigid",
but ...

   | ---
   | |_|   This is a "lazy" one, one can one get it 
   | |_|   when sleeping.

     ---
    |--|   This is a kindgarten one.  Kids, when not used to
    |__|   the orientation yet, would put it up side down.
    ____   Why should it be the up side up? I ask naively :-) 

On this row, there is also "O+"--sleeping the other way :-)  Any more?

Yungui Ding
@ Iowa

PS if the restriction is loosened to be "2 stroke" (and strictly Chinese 
   strokes), there is more fun to play with.--Sorry to twist the author's
   intention:-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
In <642@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:

>In article <Bz988n.Ant@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>*            ------       ---       /
>>*    |-  --- |---   |---  --|  +  -----   ----
>>*    O   O|  |  |   | O   O |  O  / O     / O  
>>*        \|  |---   |___   \|
>>*            |____
>>*                                         (stone)

>This conplete the answer set.  The first and the third are invalid
>as well as the following one:
> ---
>O |     ding5
> \|

>I guess no 7th answer :)

>-- 
>//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Subject: Re: a fun problem
Reply-To: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:55:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.235211.7349@ee.rochester.edu> you write:
|> Now let's have something more advanced. Given 13 balls that look exactly the|> same but one of the 13 balls differs in weight from the others, can you
|> find out this ball by using a balance(tian1 ping2) only three times?
|>
|> Meng
Too easy!
Here comes the algorithm:

             1. divide all the balls into three groups with number of balls:
                n/2, n/2, 1 (the dividing is randomly) if n is odd, or just
                two groups with n/2 number of balls if n is even;

             2. weigh the two groups with n/2 balls on the balance:

                2.1. IF Weight(group1) > Weight (group2)
                     THEN
                        GOTO step 1 to divide group1;
                     ELSE
                        IF Weight(group1) < Weight (group2)
                        THEN
                           GOTO step 1 to divide group2;
                        ENDIF;
                     ENDIF;

                 2.2 IF Weight(group1) = Weight (group2)
                     THEN
                        IF n is odd
                        THEN
                           the ball in neither of the two groups is the answer;                           ENDIF;

                        IF number-of-balls(group1) = 1
                        THEN
                           this ball is the answer;
                        ENDIF;
                        
                     ENDIF;
              3. stop.

The number of times using weight function is [log n ], and [ log 13 ] = 3.
From: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp (Wei Hua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Test
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:56:58 GMT
Organization: ISAC,Inc. (International Sekisui AI Corporation) JAPAN


This is a test !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wlei@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Lei)
Subject: Re: A C program for 24 points poker game
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.045051.10471@serval.net.wsu.edu> wlei@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Lei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.235320.16861@news.acns.nwu.edu> tan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Shufeng Tan) writes:
>>/* 24-point poker game */
>>
>
>stuff deleted ...
>
>Anybody tried to run this program by giving an input of four 9's with a 
>back slash like this:
>
>Please enter four numbers: 9 9 9 9\
>
>It will give fun results. :-<
>
>
>
 Sorry. I must add that when you give the above input, the computer will
pause. Then you type a number (any number) and the output will be an
infinite loop. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun)
Subject: puzzle?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:00:03 GMT


 i heard this long time ago, after talked this puzzle to my
officemates during coffe break, their comment was ' uhmmm...
stooooooopid'; but we got a good laugh at it, so here we gooooo....

let's say, there is an intellegent cow who is facing west,
and here is an boring fellow counting number from 1 to 100;
when the cow hears a number it'll turn accordingly:
if the number is a multiple of 2 then the cow turns 90 degree clockwise;
if the number is a multiple of 3 then the cow turns 90 dreee counter-
clockwise;
if the number is a muliple of both 2 and 3, then the cow turns 180 degree;
all other numbers, the cow stands still.

the question is: after the fellow finishes counting from 1 to 100,
which direction is the cow's tail points at?

Xiaohan
From: chen@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Ron Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:55:04 GMT
Distribution: na

liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.225235.18907@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>>In article <92Dec14.161558est.114@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
>>(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>> hmmm, I don't know.  when early Manchurians took over Northern China
>>> from Song Dynasty and founded the Jin, their written language was
>>> very close to written Chinese, although the meaning of the words
>>> are lost today, and very few expert can figure out a couple of characters.
>>> 
>>> then again, same thing happened to the Tibetan-related Western Xia Kingdom
>>> during that period.   To modern day Chinese, words from those two 
>>> lost written language looks exactly like Chinese, but they are just
>>> not recognizable.   
>>

According to Britannica, Liao (QiDan), a subtribe of Mongol, did not have
their own written language but they devised a written system for their 
own to retain their own tribal rites. This happend when they set up a 
southern government for the Chinese part of their territoty, modelled 
after the Tang system, and adopted a Chinese dynasty name Liao.

Jin, originally a subject of Liao and ancestor of Qin, on the other hand,
did have their own alphabets.

>>I think Western Xia kingdom is a Khitan kingdom and Khitan is more Mongolian  
>>than Tibetan.
>>
>Liao was the QiDan Kingdom, after it got wiped by the Manchurians, the 
>remanants marched west and founded western Liao, while Western Xia is
>separate Kingdom, it lasted until the mongolians destoried in 1227.

>I am not too sure about the origin of Western Xia, it's royal blood
>line probably related to Tibetans, but not closely related, and the
>royal family had adopted the last name "liu".

Again from Britannica, Western Xia is a kindom of the Tibetan-speaking 
Tangut tribes (which does not say if they are ethnically Tibetans 
or not).  The name Xia is no coincidence - a new leader Li Yuan-Hao
named his dynasty after the ancient Xia and changed his own name to
Chao - that of the Sung royal family, in an attempt to conquer China.
The "western" part was added by the then Chinese to distinguish the two.
They also adopted a new writing system for their own people, as
Yuanhui Liu stated.  Xia is a buddhism state, which I think is not
quite the same as Tibetan Buddhism.
From: x0z9470@tamsun.tamu.edu (Xiaodong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Use Zmodem with Telix
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:04:16 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu
Keywords: Zmodem, Telix, Kermit, Unix, MSDOS

I used to do file transfer between Unix and PC with Kermit, but if the
file is too large, this could take a long time. Now I'm using Telix,
which uses Zmodem and is much faster. 

I've been succesful in transfering my C programs in both directions, but
it won't work for "exe" and "gif" files. Does anybody know why ?

By the way, our unix system is installed with "rz" and "sz" protocols.

Thanks.
From: li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: answer to "math problem"
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:55:20 GMT
Organization: Indiana University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


                       Answer to "Math Prblem"

Few days ago, I posted the following msg in Usenet bulletins: sci.math,
soc.culture.china.

>                            Math Problem
>                            ------------
>There is a polynomial:
>       -a*y**n + y**(n-1) + y**(n-2) + ... + y + 1 = 0
>where real number a>0 and the notation "y**n" represents the nth power of y.
>It's conjectured that this polynomial has a unique positive real solution y.
>Can you prove it or find a counter example?

Since then, I received many answers. Here I list one due to

>prince@ruccs.rutgers.edu (Alan Prince)  Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:17:15 EST
>
>Let P(y) be the polynomial in question.
>      First, notice that, since there is one sign-change in
>the coefficients, P(y) has AT MOST one positive zero, by the 
>Harriot-Descartes rule of signs.
>      Second, notice that P(0) = 1 and P(y) -> -infty as y ->
>+infty, so that P(y) must become negative for some y>0.  Therefore
>there is AT LEAST one positive zero. 
>      QED.

Other people's wits are also acknowledged. They are

Victor Adamchik <victor@wri.com>
W. Huang <uphhswh%msu.dnet@terra.oscs.montana.edu>
Shidong Tong <stong@irus.rri.uwo.ca>
Bob Silverman <bs@linus.mitre.org>
ZHIGANG XI <XI@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Michael Somos <somos@alpha.ces.cwru.edu>
xyl00@pteng.amdahl.com (Xiaoyang Luo)
cheekai@ncb.gov.sg (Chin Chee-Kai)
<erick@sfu.ca>

I put answers from all of them in a file. If anyone is interested, please
send me a msg.

Thanks for all

Li Yao
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The best solution to end this line. :-)Re: math problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:57:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
(deleted)
>In article <Bz9GLM.1v3@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
(deleted)

It looks like a new war is very like to start between "physicists" and 
"mathematicians". Let's stop it before it statrs. I think physicists
and mathematicians have always had respects for each other.
ZZZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: test
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:34:17 GMT

test
From: ASHZJ@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Regarding posting PICTURE files
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:51:03 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

I think the bandwidth on this group is already quite tight. If someone like
to post some Chinese (or oriental) pictures, it would be better to post them
on corresponding picture groups.  He/she may put a note on this group so those
interested individuals can get it from that group.

(BTW,    if people post R-rated pictures here, they are violating the rules of
this group.)

How does this sound?
From: root@graphack.asd.sgi.com (The Inquiring Mind)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Visiting Canada
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:05:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: graphack.asd.sgi.com

I have a friend who is planning on visiting Canada soon. She is from mainland
China and works on an H1 visa in a school around here. She is also eligible
for applying permanent residency due to the recent US legislation for
protecting Chinese students. The question is whether she will have any trouble
to re-enter the States, and whether this temporary absence from the States
might affect her residency application. Anybody has some insight on this, or
has done something similar recently? What kind of documents should she take
along? She and I would certainly appreciate your answer. Thanks in advance.

Since I rarely (if ever) read this newsgroup, please respond by email to
root@graphack.asd.sgi.com. Thanks again.

Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:23:04 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uda.edu
Subject: test
Summary: <none>
Keywords: <none>
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:37:18 GMT

this is a cosmic test
cosmic
cosmic

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bozkurt@grad.math.waterloo.edu (Bozkurt Celik)
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: none
Organization: ECE,OSU,Corvelle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:08:10 GMT

this is a test
bozkurt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes: a survey of China" by 'The Economist'
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:19:48 GMT


s075198@bayes.carleton.ca (junliu) writes:
|> In <BzCD5J.CKE@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> 
|> > (staff deleted)
|> >   I prey for China and the World.
|> >chunde
|> 
|> It does not sound like you.  You used to shout: Beat their shit out!!! 

HAHaha, little cadre Shi's appetite obviously has grown considerably.
Now, he is not only "prey"ing for China, but the world! HAHAHaHaha ...

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:11:56 GMT

In article FtE@acsu.buffalo.edu, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.224410.18421@risky.ecs.umass.edu> mirsip@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Ivan Popstefanija) writes:
>>For the hack of it, here is another one: 7, 7, 3, 3
>
>Lame.. Its almost the same as the 5,5,5,1 problem:
>
>7*(3+3/7)

Read my previous post about more problems of this kind.


>
>>Easy, hum? A table has four corners, cut one corner and how many left?
>>I feel like 5-year-old now!
>
>Either 5 or 3, depends on how large the cut is..
>(everybody in china knows this riddle)
>
>NW

4 is also possible.
(We are all assuming the cut is a straight line ....)




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cxiong@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ( )
Subject: Sino-Vietnamese Idioms + DengMi + Fun
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:53:59 GMT

> Can You Guess What Their Chinese Forms Are? 
> (New SCC Deng1Mi2 Festival)

Several days ago, there was a post forward by Lix about Sino-Vietnamese idioms.
For people know vietnamese, there should no problem. But, for me,
it is not easy to find the equivalence in chinese. 

Personally, I am very surprised to find out how close 
chinese language and vietnamese are. I have no knowledge about Viet-Nam 
language at all. However, just from these idioms, I have a feeling 
that viet-nam people maybe made a big mistake to completely abandon Chinese 
characters and to embrace the spelling system that French
colonist introduced to them. Can the author of DengMi give us some light?

Here I am going to give a try. Hope at least some of them are right. 

Sino-Vietnamese idioms                Chinese Forms???

An Binh Bat Dong		an bin bu dong (set solder not move)                     
Bat Cong Dai Thien		bu gong dai tian (not share a sky)
Bat Hoc Vo Thuat		bu xue wu shu (not study no skill)
Dai Toi Lap Cong		dai zhui li gong (ware guilty pursue achievement)
Di Dat Dai Lao			yi yi dai lao (use leasure wait labor)
Di Doc Cong Doc			yi du gong du (use poison attack poison)
Hai Khoat Thien Khong		hai kou tian kong (sea wide sky empty) 
Hai Kho Thach Lang		hai ku shi lang (sea dry stone ruin)
Hoa Phuc Vo Mon			you yong wu meng (have brave no strategy)
Khai Mon Kien Son		hai mo leng zhu (love but unable help)
Mao Hop Than Ly			mao he sheng li (face fit spirit seperat)
Nhat Lao Vinh Dat		yi lao yong yi (one labor forever leasure)
Nhat Vong Da Tan		yi wang da gin (one net getting all)
Thien Vong Khoi Khoi		tian wang hui hui (sky net everywhere everywhere)
Vong Duong Bo Lao		wang yang bu lao (loss sheep repaire fence)
Xuan Quang Minh Mi		chun guang ming mei (spring light beautifully)


I used the following hints given by the DengM's author: 

1. The modern Mandarin "Er" sound was usually pronounced "Ni" in
ancient times, as it still is today in many southern dialects.

2 The Sino-Vietnamese equivalent of the Mandarin "Y-" element is often
"D-" (e.g. Yi=Di).  But don't ever think our Viet brothers added the 
unnecessary consonant here, for you will see often that they are indeed 
more "authentic" than we are in this respect as well as in many other 
things.

and one more hint that he (maybe unintentionally) yield:

please consult Vietnamese reference works.  _Han Viet Tu Tu
Thanh Ngu_ published in 1989 by a firm called Xuan Thu (=Spring and 
Autumn) 

It is a great fun. At least, now I know the exact meaning of Viet-Cong. Haa.
Also, I feel sorry for not able to solve more. Do you netters find out more?
Have a happy holiday!


Chuyu Xiong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan