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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ANA-Systems Modula 2
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:58:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: jan@janhh.hanse.de's message of 6 Nov 92 23:10:56 GMT

In article <4327.11.92@janhh.hanse.de> jan@janhh.hanse.de (Jan Willamowius) writes:
| I heard about a shareware Modula-II development environment by
| ANA-Systems. Has anyboy here ever tried it and can tell me if it's
| any good and where to get it ?
|
As far as I know it's on atari.archive. I tried it and wasn't very impressed.
A simple 'hello world' program took ages to compile and link, and ended up at
~30k using 'write' for printing; ~6k using GEMDOS level commands.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@nanna.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: The FALCON - too slow ??
Reply-To: A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:33:26 GMT

leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:

>It is slow because Atari STILL haven't made use of STe's hardware scrolling
>(which I assume is available on the Falcon) in TOS.  Apart from the slowdown

I suspect you don't even know what the 'hardware scrolling' facilities of the
STE actually are (and the same for the other post in this thread mentioning the
fact that `nobody uses the STE hardware scrolling'.).

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From: trs@doc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas R Stiemerling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: UMICH FTP not working ?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:02:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

I just tried to ftp something from the umich ftp archive. It would let
me browse the directories, but when I tried to get something it said
there was something wrong with the directory structure..

Anyone else had this problem?

Is it going to get fixed?

Tom


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: lcoe@convex.com (Loren Coe)
Subject: ST television out, problems
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:29:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

i am new to the ST world with a used 520-STfm.  i cannot seem to get
a display on the t.v. port.  is there some info that is not in the
standard doc?

i am running a 75ohm cable, rca to video, straight to the 75 ohm input
to the t.v.

do i have to somehow select the low res mode?  i get sound, the GEM
"chime", but the video looks like a field of hash marks.

also, i have monochrome moniter and it works fine.  however, some software
either does'nt load completely or doesn't show anything on the display, like
'leader board' and 'music studio88', and i wonder if these _require_ a color
moniter or if i should at least see something on the mono or the t.v. port.


thank you,


loren

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: humphrie@wam.umd.edu (James B. Humphries)
Subject: High Speed modem patches.
Organization: University of Merryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:31:13 GMT

I recently got a v.42bis modem and have been playing with the differnt patches.
My system bombs all the time, I haven't found a good combination of patches.
Someone please tell me the best AUTO folder config for a 520st w/ 2.5 megs and
tos 1.4.


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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Quantum 105LPS on ST
Date: 7 Nov 1992 12:07:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <16876@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>I'm trying to get a Quantum 105LPS to work on my Atari ST.  It's an 
>original 520 with TOS 1.0.  I'm using a Supra Host Adaptor (one of the
>early ones, from ~'88, before the clock chip and DMA passthrough were

	My personal opinion is dump the Supra and get an ICD.  But then I'm
not the one who needs to shell out the money... :).  

>In addition to the 3 jumpers for ID select, there are 3 other jumpers,
>labeled SS, EP, and WS.  As the drive did not come with a manual, I
>have no idea what these are for.  With EP set, the drive is not recognized.
>With SS set, the drive went into a continuous seek and was not recognized.
>With WS, the drive would not power up at all.

	Don't put any jumpers on SS, EP, or WS.  SS is Self Seek - its a test
mode that the factories use to test the stepping mechanism of the drives
(or so I have been told - I still don't understand what significant data
can come from this test other than the heads move - not that they go to the
right track, or experience track drift, just that they move. <shrug>).  EP
is Enable Parity.  Don't use this as the atari does not use parity for its
I/O streams (well, at least none of the host adapters I know of do).  WS
is Wait to Spin.  Basically it is an option that makes the drive wait to spin
up until it is "woken" up by an appropriate "wake up" signal from the SCSI
bus.  I think some Macs may have this capability (but I have never known
a Mac (let alone any other computer, except maybe an XT :) that you would
actually want to start the drive wakeup _after_ you start the machine as it
generally takes longer for the drive to reach speed and initialize than it
takes most machines to do their memory check and request info from the HD).

	Look, if the drive doesn't work at ID=0, in all likely hood it will
not work with that setup.  I believe the ID=4 is a fluke.  Good luck anyway.

>Jeff
-Mike
From: Erik.Williams@p0.f169.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Erik Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Help: ICD with Miniscribe
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 15:31:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/169.0

In a message of 05 Nov 92  07:57:51, John Henders wrote:

JH>         Old ICD host adapters can't talk to Quantum drives. They don't 
JH> recognise the extended command set. You have to get an adscsii pro

I assume that you mean the standard HA can't directly *RUN* a Quantum drive.  I have a Quantum LPS105 hooked onto my SCSI port but the old HA is in the system so I can use the ICD utilities and it works fine for me...it is such a sweet little drive.

EMW


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csi063@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Lover...)
Subject: ICD HARD DISK UTILS
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:57:09 GMT

HELP WANTED YET AGAIN :-

	I have a Seagate Hard disk running under the ICD 4.8x utility suite
	but have managed to get a corupted ICDBOOT.PRG on my boot disk.

	I have just re-partitioned the drive and now have no way of booting
	it any more.

	Has anyone out there got the ICD suite or know where I would be able
	to get a copy ( FTP SITES ).

	Urgent replies wanted as am getting desperate !

		Many Thanks,

			Simon Love ( csi063@uk.ac.cov.cck )

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From: dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: HD loadable games (was:Formula One simulation & protected floppies.)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 02:16:39 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: xbar.ai.mit.edu
Keywords: floppy,disk,protected

In article <1e16itINNo2f@phakt.usc.edu> baffoni@phakt.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:
>	Which games out now, 1)work properly on the more recent machines (TT, 
>MSTe, STe), 2)which games are HD loadable, and 3)which take advantage of the 
>new hardware of these machines?

Well, Blox and HacMan II, which you can FTP from atari.archive, both
work on all Atari machines (including the Falcon).  Blox supports DMA
sound, but only if your register.  These games even let you return to
your work after playing without leaving your desktop totally trashed.
(What a concept!)

Both of these games are by the editors of ST Format.  Oh, WAIT A
SECOND, they're actually by me.  Sorry.  Shouldn't let myself get
so absorbed in these Atari magazines.  :-|

>	This is not to say they should make games you _can't_ run off of 
>floppy, but don't prevent us from using our Hard drives if we've got 'em.

Games that don't run from hard drive are EVIL!

All opinions are IMHO.  (Well, you asked...)

Dave Baggett
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: WHAT'S GOING ON ?
	15@cup.portal.com>  <H.ea.Z7Z&fzI5IXU@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>
	<69151@cup.portal.com> <H.ea.7pYUMdYNR&6@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>
	<69436@cup.portal.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:48:12 -0800

In <69436@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>John Henders writes:

>>I think if you check hias message, what you'll actually find he said
>>was that 3u was a subset of the full VME 6u bus. It's a bus for 68000
>>type applicationa, and the standard for 3U doesn't support things like
>>bus mastering. This is a little different than the way you're telling
>>it.

>>The "maybe next time " comment was made regarding a full 6U
>>implementation.
> 
>Sorry John.. wrong twice in one message.

	Well, you got me there, Bob. I guess I should know better than to
beleive anything without checking other sources than what Atari says. I
thought the 3u card was a subset of the 6u, which had a much more
limited set of capabilitities, as it was designed for 68000 machines,
thus the 16/24 format, and lack of bus mastering, due to the 68000's
lack of built ability to be interupted cleanly. 
	As for the list, as I didn't post it, you didn't miss it. I was
going by someones post here when the machine came out that said the 3u
format was quitye common in Europe. I guess I missed the part where they
said none of them would work on the Mega STe bus.
	Oh well, I don't care as much that Atari doesn't use an industry
standard bus, but it's to bad they can't settle on a standard for
themselves.

-- 
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  T.K.O.O.C.            <1992May11.073237.14684@rotag.mi.org>
                kevin@rotag.mi.org(Kevin "I'm not a net cop" Darcy)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: max@knuth.cba.csuohio.edu (Max Polk)
Subject: Re: Idea for a program + New idea regarding X-windows for the ST
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:58:57 GMT

Gerald Greenberg writes:
>Here's an idea for all you programmers out there...what about
>a program that will allow one to control another computer,
>remotely via a modem?

I have a variation on this idea that I believe is fantastic and achievable:

We have terminals.  They were designed to read and write text
characters that would control the host.  You can edit text, run
programs, transfer files, and so on.

Terminals got better.  They did fancy escape sequences so that you
could clear portions of the screen, use scrolling on portions of the
screen, and even process special characters, some of which were
"line-drawing" characters to make boxes and lines.  This is like the
VT52, VT100, etc.

Terminals got even better.  They began to use graphics escape sequences
to draw lines from any point to any other point, mix it with text,
scale and rotate the text, etc, as early as the VT125, and Tektronix.

Now we are at a day when many personal computers can emulate terminals,
and we have workstations networked together instead of a central
computer with dumb terminals.  Furthermore, we have X-windows and such
where you can open up any number of windows on a workstation where each
window represents a terminal, a game board, a picture, a notebook, a
drawing tablet, or basically anything you want.

Because X-windows is free from M.I.T., and because it is so successful,
and because it is so flexible, and popular, I suggest that we implement
X-windows for the ST (and other computers as well).

X-windows function calls are standard, and there would be compatibility
between any system (you could paint a picture with the same commands on
an ST as well as a PC as well as a DECstations 3100).  Because it can
be implemented via modem (I know, modems are quite slow when it comes
to drawing graphics remotely), you could call up a host, and it would
run it's chess program on your screen: you enter the keystrokes or
mouse clicks, and it draws on your screen the results.

If you could define a chess "font", where the letter "A" is really a
pawn, where the letter "B" is really a knight, etc., then the host
running your chess game need only send 64 characters to completely
describe the board.  In this case, fantastic graphics via modem is
achievable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: Reason for Falcon delay
Keywords: Falcon, delay, improved
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:40:52 MET

In <1992Nov12.085033.18063@ugle.unit.no>, anderss writes:
> 
>
>  The reason for the delay of the Falcon is that Atari has
>pulled it back and redesigned the graphics system. This was done
>when they got the specifications for the A1200. The Falcon has now
>been improved with higher graphic resolutions, the max. resolution
>is now 1280*960. (I don't know how many colors there will be in this
>resolution). This is done to ensure that the Falcon is better than
>the A1200 in all ways!!!
>  The minimum RAM config. will now be 4MB, and the new Falcon will
>cost the same as the 1MB Falcon was supposed to ship for.
>  Machines should be shipping by the end of next week. (Unless Atari
>decide something else...)
>  


This is NOT the fact (I know for sure)!
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 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: THE STORM
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 23:04:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <PTXqTB2w165w@comtch.spk.wa.us>

Regarding 80 columns in a window with STORM...
 
STORM already uses a custom font that allows full width lines in
a GEM window... 
 
Regarding VT terminal emulations..   Alan Page is adding features
as fast as we can browbeat him into it..  right now his priority
is adding more download protocols, but other terminal emulations
are "in the works"...  AND,  Storm is already far and away more 
powerful than UniTerm...

BobR
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Diamond Back
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:30:17 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Please could Robert D. Luneski e-mail me regarding details in getting
Diamond Back updated and a replacement manual..

Thanks.........


Roger............           sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: geoffc@zebedee.uucp (Geoffrey Coan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: Geoffrey Coan (disorganisation)
Subject: Hermes, NN, etc
Summary: Newsreader, expire
Reply-To: geoffc@zebedee.uucp
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:23:14 GMT

I've just finished upgrading from Mercury 1.18 to Hermes 1.03 and appart from
a few problems with understanding the German, it was a largely painless
transition.  I wouldn't reccomend it to anyone who hasn't used Mercury before
as the docs are patchy to say the least !

A few questions though:

1.	Is there a better news reader than GUS ?   I don't like the GEM
	interface as it slows me down.  Although I can use rn (from the
	Mercury package) OK it would be really nice to get a better news
	reader (eg: can do Kill of a subject, etc).  I've heard that NN
	is good - any comments ?

2.	How can you get the expire program to work ?  The format of the
	expire.def file is a mystery to me as my German isn't all that good
	and there isn't an example in the package.

3.	Is there anyway I can get gus to remember what my username is
	- I've got a current.usr file setup but I still have to type geoffc
	every time.  I've tried setting up a LOGNAME environment variable
	but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

4.	How do I setup a signature file ?

Cheers

Geoffrey

PS: Thanks to Craig Shore (from New Zealand) for sending me the Hermes disk !

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From: s_schwid@irau30.ira.uka.de (Martin Schwidefsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Auto-Switch Overscan!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:22:44 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: uka
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

>It is manufactured by
>  OverScan Gbr
>  Saentisstrasse 166
>  D-1000 Berlin 48
>  Germany
>(I hope this address is still correct).
>
>Last time I remember it was about 100DM, but at the atari-fari in
>Duesseldorf it was sold cheaper (~60-80 DM ?)
>
>However, this great piece of hardware can only be installed in
>260ST/520ST/1040ST/MegaST machines, *not* in STE of TT types !

As far as I know, there is a special Version of the Overscan-
Hardware for the TT type. It should be available at the given
address, although the TT type Overscan is a bit more expensive
(I can't remember the exact price).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "Connection timed out" on a.a
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:05:44 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Nov8.182747.18851@u.washington.edu>, dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:
>
>For some reason when I just now tried FTPing from a.a, every time I try to
>get a file it says "connection timed out" instantly.  Anyone know what's up?

Do what I do - ignore Atari.archive, and connect to:
 
shavenyak.css.itd.umich.edu

WHich is a.a's host site - because the direct connect bypasses a.a
completely, and goes straight to the source, it's also faster (But 
comparitively slower with more people, as a.a has 2-FTP 'lines'!
From: weiner@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "Connection timed out" on a.a
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:37:15 -0500
Organization: Umich Atari Posse, In Full Effect
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu

In article <hjv.721260768@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>The first time I ftp-ed today, I couldn't 'cd' to the atari-dir (timeout).
>Five minutes ago I couldn't even login... After giving a password, I got a
>'can't set guest privileges. connection failed.'.
>?????
>

Call me crazy, but it's at this point in my day that I'd be thinking,
"Hmmmm.....that's odd.  Perhaps I should contact the archive moderator.
Perhaps he or she could shed some light on why this is and when it
might be fixed.  That way, I wouldn't have to post an article to the
appropriate newsgroup that'll go to every civilised machine on 
the planet."



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From: georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Wanted: Lemmings for Atari ST
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:04:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7535
Reply-To: georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon, USA

If someone's no longer using their copy of Lemmings for the Atari ST,
I'd be interested in buying it.  I've seen it new for $20 from Bare Bones
Software.  I'm willing to pay $12 (U.S. funds) for it used, assuming you pay
shipping and include the original disk, manual, and preferably the box, too.

Or if anyone's seen it for less than $20 from a mail order place, could
you let me know?

Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks.

George.S.Walker@tek.com  *OR*  georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
*OR*  uunet!tektronix!tekig1.pen.tek.com!georgew
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: WHAT'S GOING ON ?
	<68915@cup.portal.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 23:41:40 -0700

In <68915@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>Howard waxes nostalgic about VMEBUS on Atari computers..
>I agree, a "standard" buss would be great to have.. 
>Unfortunately, the Atari implementation of the VMEBUSS is about
>as standard as the Atari implementation of the SCSI buss was
>on the ST..

	Bob, play fair. The 3u has many cards available for it, in highly
specialised fields, like instrumentation, data aquisition, etc, etc. ot
to mention at least one colour board in North America, who knows how
many in Europe. You also don't know how many specialised lab or research
applications specifically writen for the STe are in use around the
world, where VME cage systems are not a financial option for peoples
budget. The old ST World used to do articles on people using ST's for
research aplications in the UK, while STart was running covers of people
using their ST to managge a lemonade stand. 
	What you really mean is how many "Joe six pack'ers" have found
usefule VME cards for their mega STe's. The answer is obviously, not
very many. However, anyone who had done their homework would know the
cost of p[roducing a VME card is fairly high. Why no one has seen fit to
write drivers for some existing VME product is obvious to anyone looking
at the North American market. Perhaps somone in Germany knows of a
company who produced a commercial product based on the VME bus. 
	But calling VME non standard, is rediculous. VME is widely used for
highly professional applications, which would make you wonder why Atari
thought it would be a good bus for their machine. I'd guess, again, they
were influenced by someone in Europe, where it would make sense. Over
here, all it did was lost us the benifit of digidesign's Soundtools, as
they didn't feel sales warrented building a completely new card for the
Mega STe. 

	However, I do completely agree with your next post about corporate
presidents not making official announcements. But then, you have also
had a case where it wasn't a good idea to take a countries vice
president's statements too seriously. Maybe it's a new trend.

-- 
 John Henders      " Only _my_ words are relevant to the issue " 
  T.K.O.O.C.            <1992May11.073237.14684@rotag.mi.org>
                kevin@rotag.mi.org(Kevin "I'm not a net cop" Darcy)