HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jg@cl.cam.ac.uk (Jim Grundy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
Subject: Just what is one of these XeroxLisp beasts?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: jg@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Cambridge Hardware Verification Group

Hi

Seems I have the opertunity to get my hands on some oldish Xerox lisp machine.
The question is - do I want to?

I'd like to run a version a theorem prover called HOL on it - which is
is written in a version of ML which is written in common lisp.
Sounds good so far.   Only thing is I'm told that the machine in question
has no software one it - just lisp, and a structure editor for lisp.
And these are not even the latest versions.
I guess I would be needing some other text editor for editing my
ML programs at the very least.

So my question is - what sort of software is available for them.
(I'm not a lisp person or a desk top publisher type, I'm thinking primarily
about a text editor) and how difficult/expensive would it be to get hold of.

I'm not that desperate that I am willing to invest buckets of time or money
in this, but if I could just get some software, plug it in and go,
I'd be intersted.

Jim


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: st@bbl.BE (Simon Townsend)
Subject: 1108 Dead Hard Disk
Organization: Info-1100 Mailing List
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:39:47 GMT

Well, as the subject says, I had aquired an 1108 that I was just getting into using when the hard disk expired on me (Quantum 42MB).

Are there any plug-compatible replacements around, or anything else I can do to bring it back to life - I was enjoying using it - kind of quaint.

Simon, st@bbl.be
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: John_D._Sybalsky.MV@envos.xerox.COM
Subject: Re: XNS protocol specs : where can I get them
Organization: Info-1100 Mailing List
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:59:00 GMT

You'll have to write to Xerox to get the specs; I don't have the address right
at hand, but I'll hunt.

It's possible that you're running older XNS on the VAX; a change was made to
the SPP that is effective with the newer 8090 server code:  Right after
initiating the connection, the server sends an EOM, which the client has to
discard.  If you aren't discarding that, it can appear as dropped connections
and inability to connect.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: mrl6a@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Matthew R. Lehr)
Subject: Re: XNS protocol specs : where can I get them
Followup-To: Article 1260
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:15:48 GMT

	If you're still looking for the XNS Internet standards, I recently
ordered the Courier standard from XSI at the following address:

	Xerox Systems Institute
	3400 Hillview Ave
	Palo Alto, CA 94304

						- Matt
From: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
Subject: Re: Just what is one of these XeroxLisp beasts?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:45:02 GMT
Organization: OSU-LAIR
Originator: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Nov10.162657.10598@infodev.cam.ac.uk> jg@cl.cam.ac.uk (Jim Grundy) writes:

   Seems I have the opertunity to get my hands on some oldish Xerox lisp machine.
   The question is - do I want to?

Maybe. If all you want is a tty-based interface to your theorem prover
then you might be better off with something else, as maintaining one
of these machines is getting harder and harder. 

   I'd like to run a version a theorem prover called HOL on it - which is
   is written in a version of ML which is written in common lisp.

Sounds like the time I brought up Xlisp in the PC emulator... :-).
Don't expect any staggering speed from something like this.

   Sounds good so far.   Only thing is I'm told that the machine in question
   has no software one it - just lisp, and a structure editor for lisp.


There's a text editor called Tedit included with the base software
distribution, which you might want to hunt around for. It's intended
more as a wysiwyg desktop publishing kinda thing, so it's not really
much fun editing code with it. 

   And these are not even the latest versions.

I'd be more concerned with this statement, though. Earlier versions of
the software only ran Interlisp-D, and not Common Lisp. You need at
least they Lyric release, which is the point at which CL was added to
the system. If you're running Koto or something earlier you're SOL.

...arun
info-1100-request

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Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
welch@cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: jamieson@bms.com (Stephen Jamieson)
Subject: XNS protocol specs : where can I get them
Reply-To: jamieson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:33:53 GMT


We have 8090 servers which talk to a Vax using XNS. We are having some problems
and I have a Sniffer trace of the interaction. I need to get my hands on
the PEP and SPP specs so I can understand the codes, packet breakdown, etc.

Any help would be appreciated. Maybe an anonymous ftp site ????

Thanks,

steve

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: mhoward@novell.com (Milton Howard)
Subject: Re: XNS protocol specs : where can I get them
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:35:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.163353.7011@synapse.bms.com> jamieson@bms.com writes:
>
>We have 8090 servers which talk to a Vax using XNS. We are having some problems
>and I have a Sniffer trace of the interaction. I need to get my hands on
>the PEP and SPP specs so I can understand the codes, packet breakdown, etc.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Maybe an anonymous ftp site ????
>
>Thanks,
>
>steve
>
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>   ] [ Stephen Jamieson / Network Engineer || Unix Admin
>  / o \ Scientific Information Systems      
> /-o---\ Bristol-Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
> \___o_/  Internet: jamieson@bms.com / Phone: 609-252-5674
>  

Oh and I forgot to mention......you need the book entitled, "Internet
Transport Protocols".  It has both the PEP and SPP stuff in it.  If
you need to decode SPP parameter negotiation dialogue, then you'll
also need the book entitled, "Sequenced Packet Protocol, Connection
Parameter Negotiation".
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Novell San Jose Development Center               Fax:   408.473.8990
2180 Fortune Dr, San Jose, California 95131      Net:   mhoward@novell.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.emulations,comp.sys.misc
From: nahaym@soleil.tmc.edu (Michael Nahay)
Subject: Writing amiga disks on suns.
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:43:14 GMT

Does anyone know if it is possible to read and write
amiga disks on a Sun or HP workstation?

Thanks

Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Wanted: Altair Information
From: kmwheeler@ualr.edu
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:44:15 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I am the owner of my uncle's old MITS Altair 8800b. 
When I got it, it would boot-up occasionaly, but now
is rather dead.  I'd like to get it running to use for 
experimentation (it's got all those card slots)

I have the computer, two complete 8" drives (I want to
interface it to 5 1/4" drives), two incomplete 8" drives,
and the terminal.  I have very little documentation.

I am looking for any information on this old beast.
I really need technical info -- schematics, bus specs,
operating sys software, switch settings, etc.

I may also be interested in buying any old Altair parts.

Keith Wheeler
University of Arkansas at Little Rock
senior, Computer Engineering Technology

"We choose to do these things not because they are easy,
 but because they are hard" - JFK's moon speech
Xref: sparky comp.sys.misc:942 misc.forsale.computers:39417 misc.forsale.computers.other:388
From: 00fwstoner@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: HELP
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:20:43 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I am a senior in college doing research on CASE tools.  What are some of the
advantages/disadvantages?  How popular are CASE tools?  Who is using CASE tools
and for what applications?  I would appreciate responses to any of these
questions.

						Thank you,
						Fred Stoner
						Ball State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Murph's VAPORWARE Column for November 1992
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:46:48 GMT

In article <9210271021.aa12345@WHARF.BRL.MIL> Sewall@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (Murph Sewall) writes:
> Another venerable Apple 2 organization, Beagle Brothers, went
> quietly out of business in October.

Aw man, that's like the Beatles breaking up...
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From: eb139@city.ac.uk (MAHMOOD Z)
Subject: Announcing a new user friendly talker
Organization: The City University
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:26:46 GMT

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See you there!
(termi)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 14:55:08 CST
From: SALIM <U26043@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: $ forsale: Mouse for IBM compatible.

Hi, I have a few Microsoft compatible mouses I want to sell off.

Here are the specs. on them.
Opto Mechanical Mouse. (3 button)
Model # f-842
Switchable Between Microsoft Mouse & PC Mouse
400 DPI.  Box, Manual & installation disk included.
All of them are brand new and come with warranty.

I want to sell all 3 of them fast!  So please make me any reasonable offers.
Email if interested.
                                                        Salim Lakha
                                                       u26043@uicvm.uic.edu
                                                      (708)673-0915
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Necessity/presence of TSRs?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:48:21 GMT

In article <9210271653.AA09380@ocdis01.oc.aflc.af.mil> johnboyd@OCDIS01.OC.AFLC.AF.MIL (John Boyd;LAHDI;) writes:
> Since Windows is an operating *environment*, and not an operating system,
> still relying on DOS's rules, I presume you still must use TSRs to
> accomplish some things. Are TSRs still around in OS/2?  If not, how does
> one accomplish some of the 'background' things that TSRs have been doing
> all this time, i.e., print spoolers, screen savers, etc? 

I don't now about OS/2, but on UNIX workstations and Amigas you just run
ordinary programs in the background to do this sort of thing.
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From: engel@gdstech.grumman.com (Steve Engel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Experiences with Hardware Accelerators?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:48:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grumman Data Systems, Woodbury, New York, USA.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
This message is posted on behalf of John Whitson, not Steve Engel.
Please Reply to:  engel@gdstech.grumman.com, or by phone to John
at (516) 346-2892.


	Does anyone out there have any comments on their favorite
	(or least favorite) hardware accelerator for ASIC designs?

	Relevant points:

	    o	I am designing an ASIC wih about 1K of dual port
		RAMS, 5K Flip-Flops, and 60K gates of random logic.
	
	    o	I need to do both logic simulation and fault simulation.

	Which accelerator did you choose?

	Why?

	Were there any particular benefits or problems?

	How was customer support?


If there is interest, I can post a summary of what responses I get.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any other newsgroups that this
request better suited; if you know of one, that would be appreciated too!

	Thanks!! 

	John Whitson
	Grumman Aircraft Systems Corp.
	(516) 346-2892
	engel@gdstech.grumman.com
From: h8309615@HKUXA.HKU.HK (Lau Wai Hin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: INFO-MICRO Digest V92 #80
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:35:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The University of Hong Kong

Dear sir/madam,

I would like to subscribe to this new group.
Thanks

Joseph Lau
From: ingram@cs.duke.edu (Robert E. Ingram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: multiport terminal emulators
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: ingram@cs.duke.edu
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Duke University Computer Science


I am interested in hearing from anyone who has had experience with:

1. Network Wizards company of Menlo Park, CA. And/or,
2. Multiport terminal emulators used as the console for fileserver, 
   mainframe, etc.

PLEASE reply via email.


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Internet:	ingram@cs.duke.edu    (Robert Ingram, Systems Programmer)
UUCP:		mcnc!duke!ingram
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: Necessity/presence of TSRs?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:16:03 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <id.K0PU.0ME@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <9210271653.AA09380@ocdis01.oc.aflc.af.mil> johnboyd@OCDIS01.OC.AFLC.AF.MIL (John Boyd;LAHDI;) writes:
>> Are TSRs still around in OS/2?  If not, how does
>> one accomplish some of the 'background' things that TSRs have been doing
>> all this time, i.e., print spoolers, screen savers, etc? 
>I don't now about OS/2, but on UNIX workstations and Amigas you just run
>ordinary programs in the background to do this sort of thing.

You do much the same thing in OS/2. Note, however, that a lot of that kind of
function is supplied as an integral part of the operating system, especially
print spooling and screen blanking. The TCP/IP package runs its daemons by
starting them from STARTUP.CMD, OS/2's equivalent to AUTOEXEC.BAT. You can
also place program objects in the Startup folder, and the Workplace Shell will
start them automatically on initialization (that's how I start KA9Q for PM on
that box). OS/2 provides commands for starting a program in a background
session.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Necessity/presence of TSRs?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:27:09 GMT

In <9210271653.AA09380@ocdis01.oc.aflc.af.mil> johnboyd@OCDIS01.OC.AFLC.AF.MIL (John Boyd;LAHDI;) writes:

>Since Windows is an operating *environment*, and not an operating system,
>still relying on DOS's rules, I presume you still must use TSRs to
>accomplish some things. Are TSRs still around in OS/2?  If not, how does
>one accomplish some of the 'background' things that TSRs have been doing
>all this time, i.e., print spoolers, screen savers, etc? 

You do them the same way you do them in Windows -- run them in a
separate process.  There is no difference between Windows and OS/2 in
this regard (so much for another measure of OS-ness).


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: S_Page@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Lexicus cursive HWX for PenPoint
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:48:09 GMT

FYI:

Lexicus is making available its Longhand cursive recognition system to 
PenPoint developers.  Longhand can recognize cursive, printed, and mixed 
handwriting of 25,000 words.  The beta version is available for $495 with 
free upgrade to the first commercial release.

Call (415)323-8547 for orders or
 FAX (415)323-4772
From: 71151.3011@COMPUSERVE.COM (Rick Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Future meetings
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:03:46 GMT


 Metro NYC PenPoint Developers Meeting
 
 Next Meeting: Dec. 3, 1992 (Thursday)
 Time:         7 pm
 Location:     The Perth Group, Inc.
               244 Westchester Ave.
               White Plains, NY 10604
 Topic:        EO, Hobbits, and All That
 Speaker(s):   To Be Announced
 Coordinator:  Brett Schnittlich
               Ibis Software, Inc.
               Tel: (914)424-4453
               Compuserve: 71214,1023
 
 Possible Topics for Future Meetings
 ===================================
 
 * Software Design Tools
 * Debugging Techniques
 * Hardware Evolution
 * OS Evolution
 * End Users and PenPoint
 * UI Design
 * Vendor Products
 * SQL Databases
 * Navigating the Electronic Maze
 * Networks
 * Joint development project: porting a database?
 
 For more information, please contact:
 =====================================
 * Brett Schnittlich (address listed above)
 
 * Andy Novobilski
   NovoTech, Inc.
   88 Doolittle Drive
   Bethany, CT 06524
   Tel: (203)393-3729
   Fax: (203)393-3730
   CompuServe: 70324,3670
   Internet:   andyn@novotech.com
 
 * Rick Hall
   Pen Access, Inc.
   P.O. Box 110
   Midland Park, NJ 07432-0110
   Tel: (201)847-9173
   Fax: (201)847-9076
   CompuServe: 71151,3011
   Internet:   71151.3011@compuserve.com
   MCI Mail:   PENACCESS
 


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From: dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye)
Subject: Re: Is PenPoint a better choice than Windows for Pen?
Reply-To: dale@manet.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:06:15 GMT

In article <tinkess.721418996@cambridge> tinkess@cambridge (Randall  
Tinkess) writes:
> As the subject says, 
> 
> Is the Penpoint OS a better choice than Windows for Pen?
> 
> Has anyone done a comparison between various pen-based systems?
> 
> Any opinions, preferences or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
> 
You didn't say what your interest is. That decision is dependent on what  
your priorities are. Maybe I should write an article comparing the two. 

In a nutshell:

Pen Windows if compatibility with existing software is most important.

PenPoint if you want the best pen environment and a much better OS. The  
downside to PenPoint is the development environment is not as nice as DOS  
/ Windows and you will have to learn some new design philosophies (OOP and  
the document lifecycle).

I just read that in order for programmers to use OLE v2.0 they will have  
to understand some new design philosophies in order  to support the new  
features. (i.e. something similar to embedded apps of PenPoint) I bet Bill  
has a full set of PenPoint manuals and the spines are well broken.   
Somehow I just don't think it will be the same. DOS/Windows has too much  
baggage.

Dale Frye
Washington University in St. Louis
From: S_Page@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: penstuff????
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:04:55 GMT

>>  Please send info on Pen type machines, OS's and software.

GO makes PenPoint, an advanced 32-bit operating system optimized for pen
computers.  It runs on the IBM ThinkPad 700T, NCR 3125, Samsung PenMaster,
GRiD GRiDPad SL, and other pen computers.  Excellent pen-centric software
runs on PenPoint, such as Numero from PenMagic, PenApps & PenBook from
Slate, InkWare Notetaker from Ink, etc., etc.  GO has a 100-page catalog of
products and services for PenPoint.

>>  Who is the best?  Who to avoid.  What is happening?

PenPoint won half a dozen industry awards last year, GO's handwriting
recognition engine and third-party PenPoint apps won awards at the Pen
Exposition more recently.  Beware operating system adaptations for pen
computers.  GO announced integrated messaging and FAXing at the Electronic
Message Assocation last week.  Read this newsgroup and the Pen Technology
Forum (GO PENFORUM) on CompuServe to keep abreast of events.

>>  What books to read?  Who has the neatest gadgets?

"The Power Of PenPoint", Addison-Wesley, by Robert Carr and Dan Shafer.
EO's computers are very special.

Call GO Customer Services at (415)358-2040, they can send you more
and various information packages.

You asked, I answered, all biased, just my opinions,

=S Page
 GO Developer Technical Support
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: umrice02@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stephen Rice)
Subject: Wanted: Two (or more) Momentas with development software
Summary: Do you really need a subject?
Keywords: Momenta, Pen, computer
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:19:30 GMT

Wanted: Two Momenta machines with development software or other.
        Preferably in North America, but I am willing to talk...

I saw a message a little while ago about this but I have not seen any replies
so I am posting independantly.

P.S. Yes, I know that this company is no longer with us -- that is why I would
     like some of their equipment (read: cheap).
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University of Manitoba  CANADA                  or I would not have said them."
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From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen,ba.seminars
Subject: Addendum to WPDO meeting reminder
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:51:24 GMT
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

Videotapes of WPDO meetings are available for non-attendees.  Contact me for
more information.


______________________________________-______________________________________
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