HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oler@rho.uleth.CA (Cary Oler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 04 January
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:21:39 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 004, 01/04/93
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  BOU-DEV=057,024,027,031,066,034,027,033   DEV-AVG=037 NT     SWF=00:000
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  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2345UT     PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 1045UT    PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55422NT @ 0041UT   BOUTF-MIN=55389NT @ 2012UT  BOUTF-AVG=55412NT
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GOES6-MAX=P:+141NT@ 1911UT   GOES6-MIN=E:-020NT@ 0606UT  G6-AVG=+083,-001,+041
 FLUXFCST=STD:128,130,135;SESC:128,130,135 BAI/PAI-FCST=015,010,010/018,012,010
    KFCST=3334 5333 2224 4222  27DAY-AP=014,020   27DAY-KP=2233 4334 3334 4344
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   ALERTS=**SWEEP:II=1@0057UTC
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: niallp@ee.ubc.ca (niall parker)
Subject: DTMF speaker mic for Icom
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:45:07 GMT

Does anyone know of a source for a speaker microphone for Icom
radios (2AT, 2GAT, 2SAT etc.) which can also produce DTMF tones ?

Radio control functions are not important (and probably not possible
by the radio design).


- - - - - - -
Niall Parker				niallp@ee.ubc.ca
UBC Electrical Engineering	    or	VE7HEX@VE7UBC.#VANC.BC.CAN.NOAM
-- 
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Niall Parker				niallp@ee.ubc.ca
UBC Electrical Engineering	    or	VE7HEX@VE7UBC.#VANC.BC.CAN.NOAM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese)
Subject: Re: On private repeaters
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:23:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.184505.28001@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
>Well, since we've been talking about closed repeaters in general, and their
>effect on the 440-449MHz section of the 3/4m band in specific; the simplex
>frequencies for fm voice are: ... 446.00MHz.  Oops!  Did I say frequencies?
>I meant frequency.  (OBTW, this is according to the ARRL band plan for 3/4m.)

BZZZZZZT!  Wrong answer.  You're forgetting that the amateur band is
420-450 MHz, not 440-450 MHz.  I haven't bought a radio in the last 5 years
which didn't cover the entire 420-450 range with only slight modification.
There are also many parts of the country which have much larger areas set 
aside for simplex.  In Texas, for example, the band plan does
not use 440-442 or 445-447 for repeaters.  Isn't 4 MHz enough simplex
space?



-- 
     Jim Reese, WD5IYT            | "Real Texans never refer to trouble
  jreese@sugar.neosoft.com        |  as deep doo-doo"  --Molly Ivins

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jvogt@batph39.Berkeley.EDU (John Vogt)
Subject: Fiberglass for Antennas
Keywords: Fiberglass, Antennas
Reply-To: jvogt@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fiber Systems Development
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:34:36 GMT

Greetings all - A while back I posted a request for information about
good sources for fiberglass tubing for antenna use. Many people
replied, some with information but to my surprise most replies were of
the nature - 'if you find a good source, please let me know.' I
compiled all of the sources I could find and sent out the list.
Recently, I came across an EXCELLENT source for the stuff, so I'm
broadcasting this information for everyone's benefit. 

Max Gain Systems, Inc - 221 Greencrest Court, Marietta, Georgia 30068-3825
 
Phone is (404)973-6251.

They have:

Solid Rod:

Diameter       Length     Color     Cost
(inches)       (feet)
--------       ------     -----     ----------

1/8             8         Black     $2.50  each
3/16            8         Black     $3.00  each
1/4             8         Black     $4.00  each
3/8             8         Black     $5.00  each
1/2             8         Black     $6.00  each
5/8            Surplus    Black
                call
3/4            Surplus    Black
                call      

1              Surplus    Black     $2.00 per foot
               to 10 ft.

Square sided tube
-----------------

Width on side    Wall Thickness   Length   Color     Cost
 (inches)           (inches)      (feet) 
-------------    ---------------  ------   -----     ----
1                    1/8            4     Lt. Olive
                                           Green     $9.00 each
1                    1/8            8     Lt. Olive
                                           Green     $18.00 each
1.5                  1/8            4     Lt. Olive
                                           Green     $13.00 each
1.5                  1/8            8     Lt. Olive
                                           Green     $24.00 each

Round tube

Diameter        Wall Thickness   Length   Color     Cost
(inches)           (inches)      (feet) 
-------------   ---------------  ------   -----     ----              
1.25                 1/8           8     Yellow    $12.00 each

                                         Lt Olive
1.5                  1/8           4     Green     $12.00 each

                                         Lt Olive
1.5                  1/8           8     Green     $24.00 each


They also have telescoping quad spreaders; 

If you use Visa/MC, add 3%. 

They offer a quantity discount on quantities of 10 or more of any one
item. If you order 10 or more pieces of 2 or 3 different types or
lengths of fiberglass, each will qualify for the 20% quantity
discount.

$2.00 packing charge.

UPS will ship lengths up to 8 feet, and charges 25 lbs minimum weight.


I hope you find this useful. I'm excited about it because at these
prices, I can build the Telerana LPDA in the Antenna Book for around
$100! If anyone knows of a cheaper source, please let me know. 

73 to all,
John  KM4OB




                                         








Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: boyd@afsp.b30.ingr.com (stan boyd)
Subject: Re: New car causes RFI on 2M - Help!
Reply-To: boyd@afsp.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Systems Integration, INTERGRAPH Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:21:56 GMT

In article <2B49494B.19270@news.service.uci.edu>, eahu099@orion.oac.uci.edu (Asako Mariather Kurosaka-Black) writes:
>Path: b30news!ingr!infonode!uunet!usc!news.service.uci.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!eahu099
>From: eahu099@orion.oac.uci.edu (Asako Mariather Kurosaka-Black)
>Subject: New car causes RFI on 2M - Help!
>Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Organization: University of California, Irvine
>Lines: 16
>Date: 5 Jan 93 08:39:39 GMT
>
>I just bought a 1993 Chevy Astro Van with a digital insturment panel.
>Unfortunately, I am an T-hunter, and my car puts out a birdie? on 
>146.565, or there abouts.  That is the local hunt freq, so I do
>have a problem.  I pick it up with the installed FT5100 as well as
>an on an HT with a rubber duck while sitting in the driver's seat.
>Sometimes it is stronger 5 or 10 kc up or down from 6.565, but
>it's almost always there.  It appears when I turn on the accessories,
>even before then engine is running, and persists while driving.
>I tried pulling fuses, and found the problem went away when I pulled
>the fuse marked "BRAKE" which, I believe feeds the anti-lock brake
>computer and the digital speedometer.  Thats what I have learned so far,
>
>Any suggestions?  Thanks!
>
>73 de KD6BCH eahu099@orion.oac.uci.edu
>
********************
*********************

I've got a 89 Chevy truck and have had the same problems.  I've added 
grounds between the frame and block, extra grounding on the antenna, and 
have even stripped the center out of RG8, opened it up, and run my power
leads from my battery to my radio.  I've had my alternator checked, its ok,
no blown diodes.  A local commercial communications radio shop suggested
that the computers in the truck were generating rfi.  I also tried pulling
fuses, when I pulled the one that ran the fuel pump, the truck died, and the
noise stopped.  Not surprising.

It appears that the rfi is being picked up thru the antenna, not the power 
leads.  You can stand near the truck with an ht and pick up the noise.  Couldn'ttell you exact what frequencies, it's been a while since I've done any
investigation.

Would wrapping my antenna lead around some torroids help?  I tried a couple
of the cheapies from radio shack and they did nothing.

This is both an interesting and an annoying problem.  Do we have any 
amatuers out there that work for dealerships or for auto manufacturers?  My
Chevy dealer hasn't a clue to the problem.

I recommend posting all comments and replys so that all can see.

Thanks!

73s

Stan
KC4ZGF


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese)
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:16:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy

In article <ov1gs*w90@lemsys.UUCP> clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:
>In article <RuTNwB5w165w@stat.com>, David Dodell writes:
>
>> How do you judge the * most effective use * ???  I think this can become 
>> subjective.  Some of the "closed" machines that I use are busier then the 
>> open machines.  Some of the open UHF machines in Phoenix have no user 
>> base, and sit idle for hours at a time. 
>
>        Yes... _SOME_.  How about addressing _MOST_ and _the majority of_?

You're making the incorrect assumption that closed systems outnumber open
ones in all parts of the spectrum/country...this is simply not true.

Yes, in California, on UHF, the closed systems do outnumber the open ones,
and there are many which are under-utilized.  What I object to, as the 
owner of an active closed system, is the automatic assumption that all
closed systems are low activity, just put on for someone's ego, and never
allow any new people to talk on them.  This is offensive and unrealistic.
It is also false.

>        There's a large difference involved here.  Giving out control codes
>and allowing someone to talk are two totally different things.

Why?  If you trust someone to use your station (and license) anytime he wants 
to, why should you not trust the same person to punch buttons?



-- 
     Jim Reese, WD5IYT            | "Real Texans never refer to trouble
  jreese@sugar.neosoft.com        |  as deep doo-doo"  --Molly Ivins

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Re: 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:20:34 GMT


Not to be to pickey, but 1200Mhz is but a single freq.. 
How many hz does it take to make a band??? 1...2.....3...crunch?
-- 
Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.misc
From: gopal@cirrus.com (Gopal Ramachandran)
Subject: Re: Freq's wanted for Tampa area
Keywords: freq,air
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:10:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.122958.5334@cs.ruu.nl> jaap@cs.ruu.nl (Jaap Romers) writes:
>I will visit Florida end of this month and I am looking for frequencies
>(Tower/Approach) of airports in the Tampa area.
>I am interested in Tampa Int Airport, St. Petersburg Int. Airport

Tampa Int TWR 119.5, 119.05 APCH 118.8, 126.0, 134.25
St Pete Int TWR 118.3 APCH 125.3

Gopal
-- 

Gopal Ramachandran <gopal@cirrus.com>
UUCP:  uunet!cirrus.com!gopal
Cirrus Logic Inc, Fremont CA  PH: (510)-226-2138 FAX: (510)-226-2160
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anybody want to talk about Clover?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:30:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan08.002154.9846@news.mentorg.com> hanko@hanko.mentorg.com (Hank Oredson) writes:
>Sounds interesting.
>Working on CLOVER interface with my BBS code.
>Will be on 14.084 or 21.084 for initial testing ...

Well I'm not knocking the product which is after all new and still evolving;
but so far I'm pretty disappointed with it.  I had hoped that DSP and
advanced modulation and coding techniques would lead to reliable
communication under difficult band conditions.  At it now stands it
flies under good conditions, and if you are interested in running a BBS
maybe that is what you want; but it really falls apart under poor condx.

I notice that if I type very slowly it sends short packets; but if I start
to load up the transmit buffer it shifts into a long packet mode and
that always loses.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed repeaters
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:41:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

Two points, both of which I believe Mr. Curtis has missed.

One, anyone who thinks 'public' means open access ignores case law and
fact, whether it's land, freeways, military bases or whatever.  After all,
the FCC has already said (for example) you can't transmit 1kw on 104.9Mhz
(readers outside the US not already ignoring this thread, please substitute
your own example}.  The highway analogies are fatally flawed; try just
talking about amateur radio.

Two, while Part 97 & a license gives one a basic right to transmit, there
are restrictions.  The rules say you may not jam a transmission; they also
admonish us to use good operating practice.  Anyone want to argue that
operating simplex on a (known) repeater input frequency is good practice?
Or sending various DTMF tones 'just to see what happens'?  Or trying to find
the PL or control tones for a 'closed' system you've been asked not to
use? What one *can* do is always more than what one *should* do.

A fair part of good amateur operation is cooperation.  If your basic
problem is not liking 'closed' repeaters, then you should work through
your local groups (which could be as small as the repeater trustee) to
get things changed.  And if practices/procedures aren't changed to
your liking, you do not have the right to single-handedly disrupt existing
operations.

Cheers,
 Willis n5szf
From: Larry.Lund@p12.f79.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DJ580 mod
Date: 10 Jan 93 07:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.726714947.AA00000

Sami Reijonen wrote in a message to All:

 SR> From: squrppi@krk.fi (Sami Reijonen)
 SR> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

 SR> squrppi@krk.fi (Sami Reijonen) writes:
 SR> : This modification widens the listening area to 130 -
 SR> 179.995MHz and to 

 SR> Happily, I didn't check the message well enough and I forgot
 SR> to add a small and useless line:

 SR> The mod is the soft mod #212

 SR> Thanks to Dave Jenkins for his kind reminder..
 SR> -- 

Aaaa... I think I missed something here. This is a mod for the DJ-580? if so
could you post agan please? 8-) I also have the DJ-580 Thanks.


Larry,
N7LBP @ W0RLI.or
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish)
Subject: ICOM W2A Battery rails
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:28:16 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

I had one of the rails on my ICOM W2A battery break about a month ago (radio
is about a year old).  Could someone pass me along the information about
ICOM's fix for this (was it a fix to the RADIO, or to the BATTERY, and 
were they extending warranty on it?)  It was one of the rails on the
BATTERY that broke, but the ones on the radio look about as susceptable
as those on the battery.  So far, I've put it back together with 
cyanoacrilate, and it holds together for a while... I guess I need to 
get a new battery eventually anyway, but I'm curious what ICOM was
doing about the problem... I only have vague recollection that there was
a fix.

Thanks,

Bill Parrish (bparrish@hprfes.rose.hp.com)
KM6KV


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: Corrections to previous ft530 posting
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 14:39:23 GMT

The speaker microphone is really neat.  You'll like it.  The
Cleveland AES store had them in stock a few weeks ago; don't know
aobout now.  The 530 in general seems to be pretty hard to find.
It is nice to have the S&PO display, freq, etc all there on the
mic.  Nice backlighting too.


-- 
Bill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED
From: BOB@WINROCK.ORG (Bob Hambuchen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:32:05 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

  
  
  Just wanted to advise the group of my experience with Periphex, makers
  of replacement batteries for amateur radios.  Last year I purchased
  one of their batteries, the 12 volt version for my Kenwood 215 HT.
  Recently one of the plastic ears broke off.  It had a bubble in it and
  was apparently weakened.  I called Periphex customer support and was
  told there was nothing they could do about it.  They do not provide
  a replacement case for the battery, and all I could do is purchase
  another.
  
  Needless to say, I will never purchase another and recommend the same
  to you.
  
  Bob Hambuchen
  N5OMW
From: dstine@cisco.com (David Stine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 05:34:16 GMT
Organization: 9th Flying Pig Combat Squadron
NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com

In article <9301041945.aa10639@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>As I say above: 900 and 1200Mhz are not microwave bands. They are UHF bands.
>
>Why the worry about using equipment at 900 and 1200Mhz? Its very little 
>worse than at 440Mhz. All of a sudden you call it "microwaves" (a term 
>like "over and out" from the movies) and it becomes a lot more 
>dangerous! Take the same precautions as you do with your VHF/UHF radios 
>(or even your HF radio): keep the antenna away from your head; don't 
>stand close to a transmitting antenna; by a remote mic for portable 
>use; don't look into a gain antenna when transmitting.

Good rules. However, if you look at how well human tissue _absorbs_ the
radiated power plotted vs. frequency, you find that as you get closer to the
"water hole" (the frequency where the O-H bond in water resonates), the power
absorbtion goes up dramatically. Hence, sitting under a dipole being fed 1KW
at 3.5 Mc you won't absorbe anywhere near as much energy as sitting under a
dipole being fed 1KW at 1.2Gc.

I'd add only that it is an ultimate no-no to go looking into feed horns to
adjust things while the power is on.

>And what about all those people with their cellular phones exposing 
>you, and the police with their 800Mhz radio systems (notice the 3" 
>antenas on the cars roof!).

Um, if memory serves, I think the output power on hand-held cellular phones is
limited to 600mw because of concern about RF absorbtion. And as for the
antennas on the car roof; there is, after all, that nice, conductive roof
between you and the the antenna. Now, a glass-mounted antenna on the
windshield is another thing entirely.

dsa
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License Delays
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <POPOVICH.93Jan10220335@morningside.cs.columbia.edu>, popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:


> And as for the FCC getting
> NOTHING, they're a Federal Government agency, so even if we're not
> paying them directly, we're paying them, make no mistake about it!
> 	-Steve

Even if they did create a license fee there is absolutely no guarantee
that it would go towards improving the licensing process.  Virtually all
federal "user fees" go into one big kitty that Congress can
and does misappropriate at will.

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman
From: steve@zero.com (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What's wrong with my Diamond 2m/440 antenna???
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:36:34 GMT
Organization: Beyonet - Zero Network

In <726078790snx@skyld.tele.com>, jangus@skyld.tele.com writes:
[...]
>        Open it up and re-tighten the connections inside. It is assembled
I guess that goes with all the Jap antennas alike. Only thing bothering me
there is how come the other band of the antenna seems to be ok? Wouldn't
this effect them also? I think so...


-- 
|Stephen Urich|        Internet:steve@zero.com         | "Cattle mutilations |
|NIC: SU2     |        UUCP:uunet!beyonet!steve        | are up!" --Sneakers |
|ARS: WB3FTP  | Packet:WB3FTP@WB3FTP.#EPA.PA.USA.NOAM  | ax25<->PBBS<->IPGATE|
|Bensalem, PA |Radio:wb3ftp@wb3ftp.ampr.org[44.80.8.44]| TCP/IP-FTP-SMTP-UNIX|
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gallaghe@gdc.com (Robert Gallagher)
Subject: Wanted: ICOM 726 Mods
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:07:36 -0500 (EST)
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I am looking for mods for a ICOM 726 hf/50Mhz transceiver.  I would appreciate
any info. or an FTP site where I can get the info.

Thanks in advance,

Rob Gallagher - N1CXH

From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:45:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 430MHz band under threat!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:

>'scuse me...but have you ever had to PAY for the equipment involved in putting
>up a repeater?  I didn't think so...  If you had, you wouldn't think $15
>per month was such a rip-off.

Let's see, $15/month is $180/year per user.  Even if you only had 10 users,
you be getting $1800/year.  At that rate, you could buy a decent repeater 
out of one year's receipts.  Unless you are paying really exorbitant site 
rental fees, there's no way it should cost $15/month per user.

Our local club charges dues of $12 per YEAR.  This covers the repeater,
a monthly 12-page newsletter, packet BBS, license classes, public service
activities, field day, Christmas party, etc. etc.  

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc