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From: eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Reply to Marc Talbot #2
Date: 27 Dec 1992 01:44:44 GMT
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From Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net

bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge @ UCLA Cognitive Science Research
Program) writes:
>You of course ignore my disappointment when Beter introduced
>his robotoids, something much more difficult to pull off than
>hovering particle-beam weapons.  Any explanation for how
>Russians or Americans could have given robots convincing
>personalities at the highest strata of American public
>politics 15 years ago, when even now, natural language
>understanding and human-like motor control still appear
>to be problems far surpassing our current expectations
>for the next 25 years, especially when one considers the
>state of Integrated Circuitry in 1978?

Simple: the computer brains of these biological robots were not electronic,
but biological themselves.  They were not tied to the state of IC technology
then current.

The Russians produced their robotoids at Novosibirsk Science City using
holographic image acquisition and storage techniques of the applicable neuron
patterns, discussed in more detail in Audio Letter #47.  They obtained these
images using a special ultrasonic cerebral hologram method.  The genetic DNA
coding necessary to reproduce the rest of the person was obtained by other
methods.  The rest of the robotoid was then generated using a close relative
of recombinant DNA techniques using bacteria (i.e. breaking up and splicing
together DNA from different sources).

The Americans (or more accurately, the Rothschild/Bolshevik/Zionist faction)
were able to produce their synthetic automatons using other means.  They
obtained genetic samples from the people to be simulated, extracted the DNA,
then injected it into certain tissues extracted from cattle as the starting
point in the generation process.  This method, however, produced inferior
biological computer brains as compared to the actual person or to the Russian
robotoid holographic simulation of such, and they acted dull-witted compared to
these.  The background of this is discussed in more detail in Audio Letter #51.

Now that I've taken the trouble to mention these Audio Letters, I think I'll
repost them for everyone's benefit.  They are on alt.conspiracy and talk.
politics.misc.
From: BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: World famous Usenet conspiracy
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:44:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

   Fans of this newsgroup have absolutely got to check out the December
26th issue of the Economist.  Beginning on page 20 is an article about
what they call "networks," by which they mean unofficial organizations
which in various subtle ways influence the structure of society and the
course of history -- in other words, conspiracies!

   The article offers a catalog of such "networks," giving a capsule
description of each and ranking each on a scale of five in regard to
such qualities as Power, Secrecy, Organization, Strength of Belief,
Peculiarity of Rituals, and Exclusivity.  All the old alt.conspiracy
favorites are included, such as the Trilateral Commission, Freemasonry,
Opus Dei, and the Illuminati (the only one to get a "5" in all 6
categories.)

   But the real kicker is that among these listed conspiracies is --
USENET!  I an not making this up!!!  According to this distinguished
periodical, we're all part of conspiracy.  If you're interested, our
ranking is Power - 2, Secrecy - 0, Organization - 1, Strength of Belief
-2, Peculiarity of Ritual - 5, and Exclusivity - 1.  I think that's
pretty accurate, except maybe for the high Peculiarity of Ritual score.
Nothing I do on the net is weird.  I'm not talking about the rest of
you.
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From: patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.pol
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Keywords: Ethics
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:22:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec31.152945.18594@ncar.ucar.edu> tmayer@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Tom Mayer) writes:
> [deleted]
>>[       ]
> 
>      . . . . . . As to perjury before Congress 
>      being a trivial charge, I would have to disagree.
 
	This behavior is a sure fire way to
	"annoy" a person/prosecutor/judge like Walsh.

>      Remeber Walsh, a Republican, was appointed by a Republican
>      President.  To somehow imply that he's been involved in a conspiracy
>      to get Bush is laughable.  I think Walsh is again one of those old
>      fashioned conservatives who believes in the rule of law.  I think
>      he's disgusted by the Bush-Reagan crew because of their obvious 
>      cynicism when it comes to this principle.
 
	I believe "they" appointed Walsh in the first place
	because they knew that he was well respected, ethical,
	highly principled and his final report would be
	more than likely accepted without question; what they
	hadn't counted on was the fact that they couldn't bribe
	him, buy him, offer him any kind of a job or token to
	sway his opinion in any way :-) :-) :-)

	If they didn't want "the whole truth and nothing but the
	truth" then they appointed the wrong man as special
	prosecutor - Walsh is relentless in pursuit of truth
	and it is especially annoying to him to watch government
	officials sworn to protect the laws of the USA try to
	smack the American people in the face with it!
 
>      But then again with Communism gone and with most people uninterested
>      in the Trilateral Commission right wing conspiracy theorists have
>      to hang their hats on something.
> 
	If "they" can pin anything on Judge Walsh, anything
	at all, and make it stick, I'll take back everything
	I've written thus far :-)
> 
	He is without blame; just doing his job.

> 
-- 
Patricia Ann Bromberger                            patth@panix.com
P.O.Box 273 - Island Station
New York, NY 10044 USA
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From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,sci.astro
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:52:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec28.103655.11722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
>They had already run out of his stories by that time... ...

Actually, Fleming did (or at least his clone).  It was one of the
original thirteen or so James Bond books.  Kingsley Amis (??) took
over the series sometime in the 1970s with, I think, _License
Renewed_.  I'm a little hazy on the exact dates and titles of the
ersatz Bond books since I was well beyond puberty at the time. :->

Of course, the movies after, say, "Thunderball" (which, in the book
form was probably the most plausible plotline the Fleming ever
hatched), bore only skant resemblance to the stories in the books, so
_Moonraker_, the book, shared only the title with "Moonraker," the
film.

Somehow, I suspect that the sci.* folk are tiring of all this blather,
so followups to rec.arts.movies.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13512 talk.politics.misc:65559
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:11:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy

Albert Schweitzer had these books pegged years before they were written.
There is no historical Jesus-- at least, there is no Jesus which a historian
can reconstruct.  Only the Jesus of religion has been left to us.
-- 
C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:25:52 GMT

In article <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
:Prosecuter Walsh is a dangerous fanatic right out of the Spanish
:Inquisition and should be relieved of his duties.
:
:Sincerely,
:
:Jack Sarfatti

Yeah, he should be deported to the secret UFO HQ on Mars, right Jack?

G
(Is it my imagination or are the wackos really crawling out of the
woodwork on alt.conspiracy this season?  It never used to be this bad...)
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:20:57 GMT

In article <1i08f9INNjr9@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>story readable.  For that reason Fleming completed a new James
>>Bond novel only about once a year.  If it had all been
>>imagination, as many people believe, he would have been capable
>>of producing a new book every few months, making himself far
>>richer.
>
>Hmmm...Zahn's "Star Wars" novels are coming out once a year.  Does this
>mean that they are not fiction?  And Asimov spent a lot of time between
>the original Foundation trilogy and the last few novels.  Hmmm...
>
>Dr. Beter is an idiot.

Hmmmm... I edit a small (12 page) newsletter which usually takes me about
two weeks to assemble - much more if I have to write much of it.  I have
also had a number of articles published.  Writing something for print is
a lot more intense than writing it for the sake of only a few people, a
specified group or yourself.  It took several months to correctly put 
together an article (and this is fact, not fiction - with a fully documented
history) which numbered only a few pages.

Putting together a novel in less than 12 months is a herculean feat no
matter what the focus.  If the words and story comes easily, the editing
and preparation take enormous amounts of time.

Most full-lenth books that are written, edited and published on the order
of weeks or very few months tend to be fluff - and they're usually intended
to be that when it's started.

Anyone who thinks the writing process, even for a literary genius, is not
time consuming at the least is fooling themselves.

-- 
\\ Robert J. Granvin                                 User Services Specialist
// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota            rjg@stat.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:55:35 GMT

Eric Titmas writes:
#Elliot Abram's recent book describes the abuses of Mr. Walsh as a prosecutor.

And of course Elliot Abram is an unbiased source.

--
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From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: STS-1 Disaster Bullwash... (was Follow-up #3)
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:47:16 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <30DEC199208300788@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov 
(VIC CANACCI) writes:

>I guess I latched on late to this big conspiricy discussion of STS-1;  
>could someone please repost the original theory of just what the hypothesis 
>was?

It's kind of long and somewhat boring, but if you want it, I'll mail it
to you. If I get more than 20 requests for it, I'll repost it to some group.

email to barrey@novell.com

I'll send it out after 7 JAN 93.

>I'm getting the feeling that someone feels that Columbia never returned 
>from space, and that the Enterprise was relabeled Columbia and returned to 
>Edwards after being released off of the 747 carrier.

That's part of it.

>I guess this much is believable, but if Crippen and Young were on the true 
>Columbia when it was launched, who pilotted the Enterprise in?

Their REPLICANTS, you idiot!!! (just kidding, but that IS the answer given)

>Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
Oh, if you work for NASA, then you must be part of the CONSPIRACY!!! 8-)

Bah.

--
+ Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the shadow 
+ barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
+ Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: The Battleship Maine, Lusitania  (Was: Re: Rape After Rape ...)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:46:40 GMT

In article <29DEC199218292706@reg.triumf.ca> orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON) writes:

>The U.S. Navy officially admitted only in 1976 that the battleship Maine
>was destroyed by a boiler explosion, not enemy action.  (The "father of
>the U.S. Nuclear Navy", Hyman G. Rickover, wrote a monograph on "How the
>Battleship Maine was Destroyed" 

"telnet melvyl.ucop.edu" yields:

Author:        Rickover, Hyman George.
Title:         How the Battleship Maine was destroyed / by H. G. Rickover. 
                 Washington : Naval History Division, Dept. of the Navy : for
                 sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
Description:   xv, 173 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

Notes:         Includes index.
               Bibliography: p. 159-168.

Subjects:      Maine (Battleship)


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #3
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:46:22 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <30DEC199208300788@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
>I guess this much is believable, but if Crippen and Young were on the true 
>Columbia when it was launched, who pilotted the Enterprise in?

Crista McAuliffe.

							spl
-- 
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"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
X-Xxdate: Thu, 31 Dec 92 08:05:36 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:09:17 GMT

In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
writes:
>First note that no one, I repeat NO ONE was ever indited for violating
>the Boland Amendment. (also note - no convictions thereof) 
>
>Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
>done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, you would have
>to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. FDR's lies to congress
>got us into the war against Germany. 
>
>Next, much of the alleged lying was not done under oath. This is the
>first time (I believe) that anyone has tried to prosecute non oath
>testimony before Congress. Next, much of the alleged lying was
>omission, not commission (i.e. things were left out).
>Finally, Walsh is as guilty of it as Weinberger - in his statements
>about where he lives and reimbursements thereof.

If this were a simple question of perjury, I might agree with you.
However, there is evidence of embezzlement and defying an act
of Congress....much more serious crimes.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.pol
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:35:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.212901.7840@mtu.edu>
cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:

>In article <1992Dec31.134027.25084@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>
>I wonder if we can get Walsh to go after those other Law breakers?...
>(I'm talking about Congress... ;-)  Congress has enumerated Powers
>in Article, Section 8, and the 10th Amendment limits them to only
>their Constitutionally enumerated powers.  Since they have ALL sworn
>to uphold the Constitution, any bill exceeding those enumerated powers
>is a violation to their oath of office (they have *VIOLATED* the Law
>of the Land!!!)
>
>Article 6, Section 2:
>
>   "This Constitution ... shall be the supreme Law of the Land;..."
>
>Article 6, Section 3:
>
>   "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, ... shall be
>    bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; ..."
>
>Does anyone else think that Congress has passed any bill which fails
>to fall under Article 1, Section 8?  I certainly do!

      Ah, but you are failing to "understand" the Constitution in
"the modern context."  We understand, now, that certain things must
be done by the federal government, because the people and the states
are so irresponsible that they might ignore their democratic duty and
follow the dictates of people in other states.  Thus, because they *must*
be done, the federal government must have the power.  After all, does
not the words "Congress" and "general welfare" appear in the same section?
This, of course, means that Congress has the power to do anything which
anybody considers in the general welfare, which, of course, we know means
anything at all.
       The tenth amendment.  You *must* realize that was just a silly little
sop to the anti-federalists and isn't taken seriously by anybody.  Just a
little joke on Madison's part.

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               University of Tennessee, Knoxville
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: (GERMANY) Lower Saxony bans German Comradship Federation
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 18:10:00 GMT

In <1992Dec23.153103.21040@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>File: GCF.banned

>Victoria (B.C. Canada) Times-Colonist
>Dec. 22, 1992 (A8)

>GERMANS OUTLAW ANOTHER NAZI GROUP

>The Associated Press

>BONN - German state government officials outlawed a third neo-Nazi
>organization Monday, as authorities continued to crack down on thugs who
>have attacked foreigners and members of minority groups.

>Lower Saxony state said it has banned the German Comradship Federation, a
>gang of about 60 neo-Nazis based in Wilhelmshaven, a port city in the north
>German state.

>The federal government has taken the same action against two larger neo-Nazi
>groups, the Nationalistic Front and the German Alternative.

>Gerhard Glogowski, the interior minister for Lower Saxony, said the decision
>to ban the Wilhelshaven group was made after police confiscated neo-Nazi
>propaganda in Dec. 9 raids.

>Die Welt am Sonntag newspaper said right-wing radicals had carried out 2,184
>acts of violence as of Dec. 13, including 1,953 against foreigners, which
>left 17 dead and 542 injured.

>-- 
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>                 Information is power - get connected

Not wanting to belittle the real importance of things but the 17
deaths included two regular german citizens and these stats are for
the who period to date from 1.1.92 and try comparing them to a
washington DC death rate for "regualr" crime on an average WEEKEND!
  The lattest sport is Germany - bashing it ranks about 3rd in intnl
  sports at the moment - espiciall amongst the USA and Japan media!

OK - its a way of tilting the table for the shortly comming trade and
lcommercial struggles but lets be aware of what is being done not let
ourselves be completly duped about the realities of things in Germany
where ca 8000 neo nazis are activly breaking german laws millions are
going on the streets to protest this and millions mor 100.000.000
apoprox are getting on with thier lives and hoping u are going to
enjoy 93 and make enough bread to come and visit us in europe!


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From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes)
Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove (was: Re: Bohemian Party???)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:32:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

It was, allegedly, at one Bohemian Grove gathering where someone first
noticed that George Schultz had a tattoo of a tiger on his rear end...

The Bohemian Grove meetings are widely reported and discussed by the San
Francisco Chronicle newspaper every year.

- Gary Hypes -
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From: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            )
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,sci.astro
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 27 Dec 1992 14:35:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1hjhhgINN7q0@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) writes:

[Stuff about how the James Bond books were really romans a clef trying
to warn the public about secret machinations of David Rockefeller (aka
Goldfinger) et al., deleted]

And we mustn't forget Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang, Fleming's warning about the
eminent decline of the American auto industry, disguised as a children's
story about a flying jalopy.  I'm surprised too that Doctor Beter did not
mention the obvious connection between "Octopussy" and the current AIDS 
epidemic.

- db
  

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