HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: [9F06] Blooper?  Not!
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:12:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.200946.29086@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
>In <1e23jvINNqet@cs.widener.edu> c8923075@mystra.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird) writes:

>>Some odd things about the lawsuit:

>>    2. Why a jury for a civil suit?

>Depending on the court, either party to the case has the right to
>demand a trial by jury.

Specifically, the 7th Amendment of the US Constitution provides:

	"In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall
exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shal be preserved,
and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise re-examined in any
court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common
law."

	Not surprising that those outside the US would find this
unusual-- most or all other countries have either eliminated juries
for civil suits or never had them in the first place.  But while the
question of whether they're appropriate has been raised (and some have
suggested that having jury trials for civil suits is a partial cause
of the high level of litigation in the US) it's unlikely, given the
difficulty of amending the US Constitution (approval of 2/3 of both
houses of Congress plus ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures)
that this will change in the foreseeable future.  (And any discussion
of the issues involved should presumably go to misc.legal or
soc.culture.usa; this is probably more detail than really belongs on
alt.tv.simpsons anyway.  :-) )

	Actually, given the price of the fish dinner, I wonder if the
issue would have been over more than $20.  Then again, if it had been
less, it would almost certainly have been handled in small claims
court (with no lawyers permitted).  In any case, doubtless Homer's
lawyer claimed pain and suffering in the thousands of dollars.  :-)

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Another "Mr. Plow" DYN (Warning: SPRINGFIELD)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:08:48 CST

In article <1992Nov20.171356.22332@samba.oit.unc.edu> Don.Delgrande@launchpad.unc.edu (Don Delgrande) writes:
>I assume everybody noticed that one of the cars (I think it was after the
>crash) had a license plate that said "Springfield" where the state name
>would go, and just didn't mention it to keep from adding fuel to the
>"Where is Springfield" fire....
>(BTW, I for one find it (a) disappointing and (b) hard to believe that
>Bart never saw the original Batman (POW! BIFF!) TV series.)

Especially since he sang "Jingle Bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg..."

However, that's still hilarious that he said "Who's Robin".  Adam West
thought he should have been in the Batman movie instead of Michael Keaton.
>
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: jeremy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jeremy.l.radosh)
Subject: Re: Crabby Didja Notices for the Bart's Girlfriend Episode
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 15:06:45 GMT

In article <Jym.13Nov1992.1955@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>=o= Didja notice . . .

	[ stuff deleted ]

>
>    . . . the reference to _Miracle_on_34th_Street_?  Or maybe
>    it's 42nd Street, or 59th, I don't know.  Who cares about
>    New York City anyhow?  It's completely overrated.  As is
>    Macy's:  They always set up shop on some street with a
>    number on it to maintain some myth that they're some kind
>    of big deal big city shop, when in actuality all they really
>    want is to be another mall department store, like they are
>    in San Jose.
>
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	When the film Miricle on 34th Street was made, Macy's and
	Gimbles were about the ONLY stores of their kind in NY, or
	anywhere else for that matter.  Back then, 34th street had
	some meaning because of Macy's.  Now New Yorkers know it
	more as where Madison Sq. Garden resides, along with the
	herald square mall and other shopping areas.

	Coming from Berkeley, I take your "who cares about New
	York City anyhow" with the proper degree of respect.  I mean,
	who cares what comes out of California!!! The only culture there
	is in the yogurt (to paraphrase a favorite east-coast lament).

Jeremy

PS: Nice signature though, but Binky looks a little "pig-nosed", eh??

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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Mr. Plow DYN (11/19/92)
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:39:59
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 20 Nov 1992 14:26:32 GMT

In article <1eisioINN5uo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
-> 
-> Great episode. Some of my favorite moments (the kind which I
-> tend to replay in my mind hours later and STILL laugh at them):
-> 
-> The sign at the retirement home:
->    "We thank you for not discussing the outside world"
->     (or close to that, please don't nitpik)

	Hasn't this been in previous episodes?

-> Barney chasing after his "costume":
->    "Come back diaper. Come back!  Oh, hi ma!
-> 
-> Bart to Homer in the commercial:
->    "I assume you're fully licensed and bonded by the state"
-> 
-> But the part that truly still cracks me up is imagining poor
-> Homer risking his life driving a snowplow over a rickety,
-> decaying bridge, looking to his left and seeing one of the
-> more beautiful, large, and sturdy bridges imagineable.
-> His reaction: "D'oh!"

	I thought the funniest part was when homer went plowing
through the mass of people in his dream.  I guess I have a twisted
sense of humor.

Another DYN:

	Linda Ronstadt's spanish song translates something like
this:
	Plow King is not a man but is only a drunk.

--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: pi@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond L. Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Hendrix vs. ??? : The *definative* argument!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.185742.29054@udel.edu> wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.202011.4294@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>>This line is said by someone who looks and sounds just like our
>>mystery air-hockey player. 
>>
>Well, I have to concede.  I just looked it up, and that *is* the same
>person who invented the sled and who was playing hockey with Hendrix.
>So I guess it was suppossed to be Franklin. 
>
>So, the definitive answer:  the person playing air-hockey with Hendrix
>was the same person who came into the continetal congress claiming to
>have invented the sled, so this is obviously what the creators think
>Franklin looked like, so it must be Franklin.

Gee.... this thread should have been killed a long time ago, but I just
can't resist putting in my $.02 again (I originally posted it was Franklin
the day the episode aired).

Well my old 2 head VCR just died, so I went and bought a new one, and
a 4 head at that *specifically* for the purpose of enjoying the
Simpsons.  I looked through the opening credits with new insight.  Among
the things I noticed... in the band room when Lisa is playing, there is a
picture of a guy on the wall that *also* looks suspiciously like our air
hockey player.  Now I'm not suggesting that the guy really was Bach--I'm
suggesting that like the debate of where is Springfield, this debate can
be easily resolved by claiming the dude is a *generic* historical
figure, drawing on similarities from Bach, Franklin, and any other long
dead dudes.

A couple of other notes... I don't think I've seen this in the FAQ
before, but in the intro, how come all those people in Lisa's band room
are minutes later playing near her house, when she left early?

Also, I looked closely, and the syllable "The" appears at the *same*
time as "Simps", unlike what someone here claimed a few weeks ago...

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: FC084801@ysub.ysu.edu (Bob Hogue, Computer Info. Systems)
Subject: Mr. Plow:  Cronkite Ref.
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:12:46 GMT

Forgive me if I missed this in the previous postings, but I
noted an eerie reference when news anchor Kent Brockman was
updating everyone on the avalance situation.  The scene was a
nearly-exact copy of the on-the-air tape of Walter Cronkite as
he delivered the bulletin officially confirming JFK's
assassination, right down to him removing his black-rimmed
glasses and staring into the camera to bring the news.  The
background scene in the newsroom was also identical.  It was a
rather unnerving ref.
 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: mthomas@venus.tamu.edu (Mark Thomas)
Subject: Re: Bart Meets a Babe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:29:00 GMT

In article <9211130143.AA00650@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca>, stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) writes...
> 
>Can anyone identify the dance sequence?
> 
>Steve Portigal
>-- 
I think it's out of an old Astaire/Rogers movie.  Seems to me 
that there was a scene in Top Hat (?) where they danced around in
fancy clothes in a fancy outdoor pavillion and there were no
other people around. 

mthomas@tamu.edu
From: dok_amo@pkinbg.UUCP (Andrew Moores,OVD,)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: 11/12 Episode
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:58:31 GMT

From article <1992Nov13.171042.24584@unislc.uucp>, by mcs@unislc.uucp (Michael Sontum):
> ... there is a reference to Bart getting a "wedgy". I have
> never heard this term before and had to consult my kids for the answer.
> Apparently a wedgy is when you pull someones underwear up. Am I getting
> old or do others know the term "wedgy".

I can remember my brother referring to this excrutiating trick
as a shreddy (British English). Anyone else?
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Lisa's sax playing
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:46:47 GMT

stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas) writes:
>My son has been playing the saxphone for a few years and
>SWEARS that in the beginning scenes where Lisa is playing a sax
>in school, that she plays a different tune each week, before launching
>into the 'Simpsons theme' portion.

He's right, except that it's not different EVERY week.  It was different for a
while; then they started repeating; now if I'm not mistaken (followups to
/dev/null) they haven't recorded a single new solo for the fourth season, so
they're just repeating an assortment of solos from the third season.

It goes like this:
	first season: one recording
	second season: another recording, same music as the first
		       season (Lisa switches to a bigger sax!)
	third season: various solos, some repeats
	fourth season: various solos, all repeats.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: flaps@csri.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Simpsons Moderated Group?
Organization: Dynamic Graphics Project, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:45:18 GMT


pi@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond L. Gilbert) writes:
>What is the official process of creating such a moderated group?

Well, if it's a question of creating a new group, I think you just discuss it
in alt.config for a while, but I don't think a new group would be so exciting,
as I said...  If we wanted to make alt.tv.simpsons moderated, I guess we'd just
discuss it in alt.config too, or if we did and that was the wrong place I'm
sure hundreds of people would flame us via e-mail so we'd know.  Btw, please
cross-post any alt.config discussion of simpsons groups to alt.tv.simpsons;
most of us don't read alt.config.

...
>    I thought the whole idea behind a moderated subgroup would be that
>the moderator would sift through all the stuff on ats and only pick out
>the "new" information.

I guess it seems to me like that's wasting the moderator's time.  Under this
scheme, if someone posts something like "maggie costs $3, that's awfully
cheap", the moderator has the ability not to include that posting in the
moderated subgroup, but still ends up having to wade through the dozen
followups correcting this statement, as do many other readers.  If we made
alt.tv.simpsons moderated, we'd really clean up the problems, but if we added a
moderated subgroup, I think it would be remain second-class to the main group.

>... seeing as how we
>already have a victim... er, I mean volunteer for the moderator?
>(thanks Alan!) :-)

Um, well based on what I said above I don't think I volunteer to moderate a
subgroup, because I think it would take much more time than moderating the
whole group because you wouldn't be able to decrease the traffic by your
valiant faq-stomping efforts.  But I guess I do volunteer to moderate
alt.tv.simpsons itself should anyone else think it should be moderated.
From: tina@diamond.UUCP (Tina Cacolice)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: The Simpsons in U.S. culture?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:35:23 -0500
Organization: Widener University Mail/News Gateway
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.widener.edu

>
>Simpsons played no role in the elections, it is not really an issue.  
>The only reason it might be brought up is to illustrate a point with
>a reference most people are familiar with (after all with 250,000,000
>people of different regional and ethnic cultures, TV may be one of
>the few sources of common (vicareous) experience).
>
>I think that _The Simpsons_ is an 'Anti-Utopian' family the same was
>_The Cosby Show_ was utopian.  I think what i feel appealing is by
>showing the worst in us (Homer being a selfish slob, his wife fairly
>shallow, Lisa an intellectual stifled by her uninterested family, Bart
>the hellion and troublemaker who dispite everything still looks up
>to his rotton father, Maggie the barely taken care of baby, Withers
>the uncaring Ogrish Boss, His sycophantic subordinate, Flanders that
>'picture perfect' neighbor, and so on...) and cardboard archetypes of
>what is in all of us, we can laugh.



HOW can you say that about MARGE??!!  The only thing I see wrong with
her is that, for some strange reason, she likes HOMER!  She takes care
of Maggie!  

P.S.--  I don't want to start a major argument here, because I do agree
with most of what you say above.  But Marge does her best.




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					-- responses to tina@rjlg.com
From: hot@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: [9F07] Mr. Plow
Keywords: simpsons
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:17:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov22.233532.21257@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>c8923075@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird) writes:
>>A hectare is a unit of area, not length.
>Ah, a reference to _Star Wars_. ("She'll do the Kessel run in 3.2
>parsecs." misquoted from memory)
>
>A parsec is a unit of distance, not time.	I-)

I beg to differ, Captain Solo.   ... "it's the ship that made the Kessel
Run in less than 12 parsecs." 

A parsec's a unit of time.  It's even got "secs" for seconds in the word. 
Besides, a feat of that sort in time/space would have to mean either greater
distance or less time for the Kessel Run.   :-)  QED
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: dionc@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Claude Dion ETUDIANT sept-dec 92)
Subject: Re: Lisa's sax playing
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:51:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165236.16346@gdwest.gd.com>, stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas) writes:
|> My son has been playing the saxphone for a few years and
|> SWEARS that in the beginning scenes where Lisa is playing a sax
|> in school, that she plays a different tune each week, before launching
|> into the 'Simpsons theme' portion.  I can't really tell, having not paid
|> that much attention.  Anyone notice this or should I tell my son to
|> quit dreaming?

She *is* playing something different every time.

Claude Dion
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: eric@telebit.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Homer listens to NPR. It's a Fact!
X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false.
Organization: Telebit Corporation
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:08:47

>>On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:27:10 GMT, mcs@unislc.uucp (Michael Sontum) said:
> ... I also liked that
> Millhaus was the only one that was concerned enough to get to school on 
> such a bad day.

Excuse me, but wasn't that Martin?

Cheers,
Eric
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Reference to _Taxi_ in "Plow"?
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:07:02
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
Reply-To: elm@cs.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: terrorism.cs.berkeley.edu

Did anyone else find a striking similarity between what happened to
Barney and the episode of Taxi when we find out how Jim (Christopher
Lloyd's character) ended up the way he did?  Both were at (or going to
be at) Harvard, and both seemed to be reluctantly dragged onto the
road to ruin.  In fact, I think the rationale for drinking (pot use in
_Taxi_) was the same -- if I do it, maybe you'll go away.  And both
ended up driving a vehicle for a living :-).

OK, so maybe it's a weak reference.  The similarity seemed pretty big
to me.

ethan
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Send me FAQ
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:21:17 CST

Could whoever is in charge of the FAQ send me a copy?
From: tina@diamond.UUCP (Tina Cacolice)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: flamers and two new discussions
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:35:33 -0500
Organization: Widener University Mail/News Gateway
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.widener.edu

>
>In article <1dol8fINNmk1@cs.widener.edu> tina@diamond.UUCP (Tina Cacolice) writes:
>>>
>>>tina@diamond.UUCP (Tina Cacolice) writes:
>OB>
>>Pardon me, but I *DID* in fact, read the whole message.  And I STILL maintain
>>that if you don't like to pick things apart and discuss them, then
>>you shouldn't be reading this bboard/mailing list.
>>
>>Or, at the very least, you have entirely NO business flaming those who
>>DO like to pick things apart.  This is the best mode we have in which
>>to do this.
>
>You have no business flaming people who DON'T like picking things apart!
>You have no business telling us, the anti-everything-is-a-reference-gang
>that we shouldn't be reading this newsgroup. I read this newsgroup to
>get info on upcoming episodes, news, clarifications, and other things,
>but I too am sick of seeing every Tom, Dick and Harry trying to find a
>new (untouched) segment of the current week's episode that is
>"unoriginal" and therefore a "reference."

Then only read THOSE messages (the ones that are merely summaries and
DYNs are CLEARLY marked) and let the rest of us have our fun...
without having to hear insolent narcissists tell us how WE don't have lives!


>Sheesh! There's a hundred new messages on here a day, and it's not the
>only group I read! Maybe we should RFD alt.tv.simpsons.references!
>
>>Perhaps we need to make sure some word or phrase appears in the subject
>>line, like "Detailed Reference -- those who tink they have more of a life
>>than me need not read."
>That would work too, although I do enjoy some references, 30 per
>episode, or however many we're finding is overdoing it.


The repeated references are the only problem I see.



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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: flaps@explorer.dgp (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: In the Navy (Village P)
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:49:27 GMT

syracurg@lp.musc.edu writes:
>     Was The Village People really a "gay (male) disco band", or was
>   that just a part of their act.  I never knew that.

I'm fairly sure that they really were.  There was a substantial gay disco
subculture at the time.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: walter@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (w mccutchan -- computing services)
Subject: parsec?  what's a parsec??
Keywords: simpsons
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.181752.12715@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hot@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.233532.21257@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>>c8923075@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Chris Baird) writes:
>>>A hectare is a unit of area, not length.
>>Ah, a reference to _Star Wars_. ("She'll do the Kessel run in 3.2
>>parsecs." misquoted from memory)
>>
>>A parsec is a unit of distance, not time.	I-)
>
>I beg to differ, Captain Solo.   ... "it's the ship that made the Kessel
>Run in less than 12 parsecs." 
>
>A parsec's a unit of time.  It's even got "secs" for seconds in the word. 
>Besides, a feat of that sort in time/space would have to mean either greater
>distance or less time for the Kessel Run.   :-)  QED


par-sec \'pa^:r-,sek\ n
[parallax + second]
(ca. 1913)
:a unit of measure for interstellar space equal to a distance having
     a heliocentric parallax of one second or to 206,265 times the radius
                                    ^^^^^^ - note that is ANGULAR-second
                                             not time-second.
     of the earth's orbit or to 3.26 light-years or to 19.2 trillion
     miles (30.9 trillion kilometers) 

not QED, not even OED .. that is from Webster!
..cheers
..walter