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From: jennen@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen)
Subject: Re: Netware-NFS V1.2 crashes
Organization: UUCP EDV-Beratung Andreas Jennen Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.114839.28877@oce.nl> hdo@ws30-sys4.oce.nl (Eric Dortmans) writes:
>We will be using Netware NFS version 1.2 to print to our Unix based print
>servers. However, our Novell file server crashed several times. 
>Before loading Netware NFS, I had never seen the file server crashing, while 
>I had the TCP/IP modules loaded ( but not used, waiting for NW NFS). 
>After loading we get about once a week a crash. 
>The following message did appear: 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>System halted :   date .....   time ....... 
>Abend: Nonmaskable Interrupt (Parity error) Processor exception.  
>Parity error was generated by an I/O check.  
>Running process: TCP/IP packet process (2x) or TCP/IP Console 1 process (1x).  
>Stack: 91 4A etc.  
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>CONFIGURATION:
>The file server is a Compaq 386/25e, 3com503 Ethernet board, and Novell
>Netware 3.11 (20 user version). I loaded the drivers twice for both
>frame-types (Ethernet_II and 802.3). ":PROTOCOL" gives next output:
>Protocol:IPX Frametype: Virtual_Lan    Protocol-ID= 0
>Protocol:IPX Frametype: Ethernet_802.3 Protocol-ID= 0
>Protocol:IPX Frametype: Ethernet_II    Protocol-ID= 8137
>Protocol:IP  Frametype: Ethernet_II    Protocol-ID= 800
>Protocol:ARP Frametype: Ethernet_II    Protocol-ID= 806
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>My system passes the Compaq diagnostics correct, the 3C503 Card diagnostics
>were also OK.
>
>Question: 
>I would like to know if other people had crashes too after loading Netware NFS ?

Hi,
in our company we had the same problem.
We tried to update from Novell Netware 3.10 to 3.11

Then the server often crashes, when we did ncopy with many files
from a workstation to the server.
We did try it on different hardware machine:

Compaq Systempro with 16 MB RAM and 2 NE3200 and 2 NE2000 Ethernet
cards in it.

Comapq Deskpro 386SX20 with 4 MB Ram and 1 NE2000 card.

All the same problem. crashes over crashes. sometimes with
error message: Parity Error, somtimes crashes without any 
messages.
We are sure, that the rams are ok.

Who is able to read the core dump, which Novell writes on 12
1.44 MB Diskettes ?

We used 3.11 Rev B, which we got on August 1991 (250 User).

Then we went back to Novell 3.10 and all was ok again.

So it seems to be a bug in Novell Netware 3.11, try 3.10
The authorised dealer, where we bought the Compaqs and the
Novell said: no idea, on all other servers 3.11 is ok.

Bugfixes are welcome !!!!
please report more crashes here, that we get Novell to give
us more bugfuxes or a new version !!

Gruss Andreas Jennen.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: urwaleck@eaeps1.tuwien.ac.at (Martin Urwaleck)
Subject: Re: Modem on Novell Network
Organization: Inst. for General Electrics & Electronics, TU Vienna
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.213146.7825@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:

>In article <53770@hydra.gatech.EDU> cm9@prism.gatech.EDU (MCKEITHAN,CLIFFORD M.) wants to know how:  
>>to add a modem to the net so that each person could access it from
>>their workstation.  What is the best way to do this?

>Well, there's Fresh Technologies' Modem Assist, which as I understand lets
>you set a modem server--not sure if it has to be dedicated.

>Does anyone know of a way to make a modem server the BOTH Mac and PC's
>can access?  I know, dream on... :-/

>-E.


>-- 
>Eric J. Huppertz, Systems Manager | "I turned my air conditioner around and it
>Daily Vidette, Illinois State U.  |  got cold out. The weatherman said 'I don't 
>ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu     |  understand, it was supposed to be 80  
>(309) 438-8565                    |  today,' and I said 'Oops.'"  -S. Wright 

Did you ever hear of Shive Netmodem/E ? I havent used it as it's hard to get 
such items in Europe but the information sheets I got mentioned that it is 
for both Macs and PCs. It's like a modem with an ethernet port instead of e 
serial port.

Hope this helps.

        Martin Urwaleck

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: mcollins@novell.com (Marty Collins)
Subject: Re: 3.11 file server crashes
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:24:38 GMT

In article <53422@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1406a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1406a gt1406a CHAMLEE,MARY ELIZABETH) writes:
>We are trying to install a new 3.11 fileserver.  Most everything seems
>fine until I try to xcopy files onto the new server, either from a
>workstation or from the old server (2.15C).  The file server crashes.
>Ncopy from the old server also seems to cause the server to crash.  
>It successfully copies a few hundred files or so and then crashes the
>file server.  Here is the console error message:
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>System halted Friday April 3, 1992 10:32:46 am
>Abend: General Protection Processor Exception (Error Code 00030000)
>       OS version: Novell Netware v3.11 (10 user) 8/9/91
>       Running Process: Server 01 Process
>       Stack: 26 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AC 52 05 00 7B B3 03 00
>              B1 6E 10 00 90 83 05 00 93 68 10 00 90 83 05 00
>              A0 23 18 00 54 83 05 00 00 00 00 00 20 F6 18 00
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------


Really need to get a memory dump when the server crashes to best find out
what was going on at the time of the ABEND.  When you get the dump you
can either send it to your Reseller who you bought Netware from, or if
they can't support you they sure the hell can call 1-800-Netware and 
open up a technical support call for you. That way the dump can be
sent to Engineers that can read the dump and correctly analyze the
problem.


>
>Any ideas on what would cause this?  Bad memory, bad install disk, etc.??
>
>Thanks!!
>-- 
>CHAMLEE,MARY ELIZABETH
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:     ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1406a
>Internet: gt1406a@prism.gatech.edu


		WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN PUT A MAN ON THE MOON,
		BUT WE CAN'T PUT METAL IN A MICROWAVE.

         |--------------------------------------------------|
         |  MARTY COLLINS              PRODUCT SUPPORT      |
         |  NOVELL, INC.	       SAN JOSE, CA.        |
         |  1-800-NETWARE              mcollins @novell.com |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: UPS
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Technology, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:36:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.225304.5463@csun.edu> vfoao07h@VAX.CSUN.EDU writes:
>Can anyone recommed a UPS or provide selection criteria for choosing a UPS?  I 
>have a couple questions like: (note: UPS is for a NW 2.15 server)

>    1.  what kind of waveform is appropriate - sine, square, stepped sine

Sine is best, square would be very likely to cause noise problems, which
is the last thing you need during a power crisis, and I'm not familiar
with "stepped sine". If it's a relativly fine staircase approximation of 
a sine wave, then it would probably be acceptable.

>    2.  what is the maximum switching time allowable

As little as possible, definantly not more than 17ms (one full cycle
of 60Hz power).

>    3.  type - line interactive or standby

Line interactive is better, but standby models are generally less 
expensive. Mine are standby.

>    4.  and any and all other criteria.

Holdup time under full load. This should be long enough for you to
get from the furthest point you're likely to be while responsible 
for the systems during an outage. Mine last about 10-15 minutes, 
which is plenty for me to go 180 feet.

Line filtering. Spike and surge protection should be incorporated; 
it isn't always. Ask to make sure.

Intelligence. Some UPSs can tell your server to shut down after a
certain period of outage; this saves batteries and reduces the need
for you run through a blacked-out building and lab to down your 
server.

I am using two American Power Conversion 1200s, which have served me
well (and were tested about 10 days ago by a 20-minute failure; I did
controlled shutdowns without any problem). I am trying to order a new
APC smart unit, a 1250, to support four servers in a critical manufacturing
line application. (Also trying to buy the other $96K of hw/sw to install
the networks, too...)

There is one accessory that I highly recommend, but I've never seen 
mentioned in any discussions about UPSs, standby power, etc.: a small
flashlight. I carry a Brinkman copy of a Micro-Mag in my pocket at
*all* times; it uses one AAA cell and provides an amazing amount of
light for its' size (then again, any light in a dark building helps).
I don't have to fumble around trying to find my desk and dig one out,
or stumble over things getting to the lab. Mine came from Wal-Mart and
cost about $7; I use either Duracell or Eveready Alkalines (avoid 
Ray-O-Vacs, they don't last) which hold up well. The light fits right
next to my wallet, weighs a few ounces, and is real handy for that
trip to the bathroom while you wait for the power to come back on. :-)

-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chariman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"Always remember, that someone, somewhere, is making a product that will
make your product obselete." Georges Doriot, founder of American R & D.
From: jrd@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Help with Novell to TCP/IP-SMTP
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:54:47 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr06.204659.26405@ka3ovk>, albers@ka3ovk (Jon Albers) writes:
> 
> Hello.  I am a systems admin on UNIX minis, and we have a TCP/IP network
> that includes several minis and micros running UNIX.  We are adding
> an internet connection to the mini network, and wish to be able to pass
> e-mail in and out.  Now I've got the UNIX end covered, but part of
> this project is a Novell LAN of PCs.  We have the hardware to connect
> the Novell lan to the TCP/IP LAN, but I don't think we have the right
> software on the Novell LAN to send and receive SMTP mail.  I know very 
> little about Novell, so I am not even sure what questions to ask, and the
> SA of the Novell LAN is just as much in the dark about TCP/IP. 
> 
> So, how can I get SMTP mail going between these two networks?  I'm sure
> someone out there has done it: how?
> 
> 						Jon
-------------
	Basically the NW file server isn't a Unix box so it knows nothing
about SNMP. Client stations can be on the far side of the server and have
IP packets routed through the server, but of course they would need to run
the appropriate TCP/IP software. There are programs on the market which
will talk to a mail hub machine and that machine in turn can gateway to
the Internet via SNMP. Other readers can fill in many details on these
packages if you are interested.
	Joe D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: File server Console Locks up !!
From: dunninga@mof.govt.nz
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:17:17 +1200
Organization: New Zealand Ministry of Forestry

My Novell 3.11 server is misbehaving badly - 
1) printing goes very slow
2) The Utilisation sits at 97% (highest ever is ~40%)
3) Look at mens_laser pq and has a strange file trying to be printed (ascii 
   rep. is a  spade)
4) Try to delete job - Bindery error - can't find object 0
5) Fix bindery - no problems identified
6) Still can't delete job
7) Try to stop pserver - will not stop and  locks up PC
8) re boot - no free connection slot (250 User license, 80 PC's on net)
9) wait 5 mins and get a connection slot 
10) try to delete mens_laser queue - locks up PC
11) turn off pserver
12) Try to delete pservers connection using Monitor
13) Locks up Monitor
14) Unload Monitor - Locks up File server Console
15) arrggg death to Novell (and to me from Users)
16) Ring up and abuse Local support, Tell me to reboot server)
17) Other users still working OK 

Other steps missed - Trying to do anything with pq mens_laser locks up the PC
Am running on the server:
  TCPIP - 3 LAN cards
  Appletalk - 3 Lan cards
  Rarpserv
  Loads of patchs from 311pt1&2.zip, Afix1,3,4
  atcon, tcpcon
  Arcserve
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Ill send a copy via our distributor to
 Novell
but I've done this before and have never heard anything so I suspect that they
go to the great RED BOX in the sky.
 
HELP - a cry in the wilderness

Andrew Dunningham
The unfortunate LAN Manager
Dunninga.mof.govt.nz
From: oper10@v7.vitro.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: <None>
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:18:37 -0400
Organization: Vitro Corporation

I (we, actually...) need help.

It's not a bif hang-up, but a bit annoying.  Here's the gist of it:

NOVELL WSGEN was working just fine until we upgraded to a new 386 machine.
It's an IQ system, using MSDOS 5.00.  System seems to check out fine, but
when we run WSGEN on this machine, or any other IQ machine, the IPX file is
not generated correctly.  The IPX /I command shows some changes, such as
card type, but the IRQ and base address don't change.  The files date stamp
changes, so we are creating a new file.  And to add insult to injury, no
error messages at all to tell us there's something amiss.

So, has anyone else run across this?  We can use other machines to gen the
IPX file, but it would be nice to find a solution.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Later ....

George (eugene@v7.vitro.com)
From: dan@ORTTA (Daniel C. Cummings)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: HELP: how to attach to several servers simultaneously ?!?!?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ORTTA.dan.3
Organization: U of Mn

In article <1992Apr3.132832.85@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at> mdn@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at writes:

>Dear Netters,
>            I have LWP4DOS 4.01 on my PC and I'm trying to attach to several
>Novell file-severs simultaneously, but it doesn't work. The "LWP
>Admin's Guide" does *NOT* state anything about this problem (as well as all
>the other manuals).

>Does anybody out there know if and how I can attach to several file-servers
>simultaneously ???


>Thanx for your kind assistance and help,

>-Mike


>Mike D. NJOROGE
>NJOROGE@Pap.Univie.Ac.At

Try adding the ATTACH <fileserver> command into the login script of the 
first file server you log into.  If your user name and passwords are the 
same on the file servers you attach to, you will not be prompted for any 
input. 



  Regards -

  Dan

  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Daniel C. Cummings, CNE                   Voice:  (612) 624-2574
  Senior User Services Specialist           FAX:    (612) 624-4843
  University of Minnesota - ORTTA
  1100 Washington Avenue, Suite 201
  Minneapolis, Minnesota  55419-1226      Internet: dan@ortta.umn.edu
From: macdonal@erc.cat.syr.edu (Doug Macdonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Geoworks help
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: newstand.1992Apr9.131500.19275
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Originator: macdonal@erc.cat.syr.edu

I have installed Geoworks Pro on a 3.11 Novell Network.  How do you set it up 
so that the working files go to the users directories?  The way it is now
no matter who logs in you get the work done by the previous user.  I also 
had to give the users RWECF rights.  It complained about the geos.ini file 
without those rights.

Doug MacDonald     macdonal@erc.cat.syr.edu
From: tmorris@sph.unc.edu (Thomas P Morris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: 'logically closest' server?
Summary: set preferred server in SHELL.CFG
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:23:32 GMT
Organization: UNC School of Public Health

In article <1992Apr3.145325.1@coco.cchs.su.oz.au> 
brennan@coco.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan) writes:

>       I want all our PC's to boot up with server A as the default!!!!

I can't answer your question about how Novell defines the "locally closest" 
server, but if you want your PC's to boot up with server A as the 
default, set up a SHELL.CFG file with a line reading:

PREFERRED SERVER = A

The SHELL.CFG file should either (a) be in the directory from which you
invoke your netware shell (NETx, etc), or  (b) in the same directory in 
which your netware shell resides.

Tom Morris, UNC School of Public Health
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: Stephen I Miller <similler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: CNE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:05:54 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Wasn't there some exchange of messages on this newgroup a few months back about
Novell possibly setting up some type of program for CNE certificatiion for 
educational institutions at substantial discounts.  Or was I just imagining it?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: lam@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: Where is Novell's ftp Server?
Keywords: ftp Novell anonymous
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:59:14 GMT

sandy is the official novell ftp sites. SJF-LWP.novell.com is the server 
which is an unofficial ftp sites providing specific un-official release and
corrections to Lan Workplace and I believe NFS and they also provide some
other NLMS.  A mirror of sandy is I believe netlab1.usu.edu although you
might try all the netlabs(netlab.usu.edu, netlab2.usu.edu). also  
splicer.cba.hawaii.edu are the bit Novell FTP sites.

Ken
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SSQL Network Administrator                                  klam@uiucvmd(bitnet)
Manager, System Services                          lam@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu(Internet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,comp.windows.ms,micro.ibm
From: paul@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (Paul Hardaker)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and Packet Drivers
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:50:39 GMT

In article <thomasg.464@epx.hscs.umn.edu> thomasg@epx.hscs.umn.edu (Thomas Gasser) writes:

>Hello all in Windows 3.1 land

>I have received my copy of Windows 3.1 :-).  My question has to do with the 
>IPX.OBJ that comes with it.  

>I am running on a Novell Netware 2.2 network using Ethernet cards and version
>of the packet drivers.  Is there a way to make a new packet driver IPX with
>this OBJ or has someone already done this.  I am currently using the PDIPX 
>from INTEL.  When I set up Windows it told me that there are compatabilty 
>problems with my version of IPX and 3.1.

>Thanks alot for your help.
> 

Copy the PDIPX.LAN, PDIPX.OBJ and IPX.OBJ files onto the WSGEN disk and run 
WSGEN to create a new IPX.COM file.

Paul Hardaker
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Network Analyst                                   Phone: +61 45 70 1446
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury            Fax: +61 45 88 5867
RICHMOND  NSW  2753
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: manoj@novell.com (Manoj Goel)
Subject: Re: Mail clients for Novell MHS
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:42:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.162423.25473@morrow.stanford.edu> harlick@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Will Clark) writes:
>Are there any free mail clients that work with MHS?  
>Thanks in advence.

Yes, here is info on one for both Mac and DOS. It is called Pegasus Mail and 
supports latest rev of MHS. The application is free but the author 
ships manuals at a nominal charge to support his work.

----
Reply-To: pmail-updates@busadm1.cba.hawaii.edu

    Pmail21c.exe    (Release 5, full archive)
    Pm21c5.zip      (Just pmail.exe and pegasus.hlp)
    Pmmac103.hqx    (Pmail/Mac v1.03)
    Pmswap10.zip    (Pmswap context switcher for Pmail, v1.00)
    Prefedit.zip    (Preferences editor for Pmail)

  Now available via

              FTP anonymous
              Password: Your E-Mail Address
             
SPLICER.CBA.HAWAII.EDU
IP:      [128.171.17.7]
...........................................................
The Splicer BBS: (808) 955-2374    8,N,1
...........................................................
FILES:

  /files/pegasus
From: stevec@norton.com (Steve Cundall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Modem on Novell Network
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: norton.1992Apr09.145831.8537
Organization: Symantec / Peter Norton

ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
> In article <53770@hydra.gatech.EDU> cm9@prism.gatech.EDU (MCKEITHAN,CLIFFORD M.) wants to know how:  
> >to add a modem to the net so that each person could access it from
> >their workstation.  What is the best way to do this?
> 
> Well, there's Fresh Technologies' Modem Assist, which as I understand lets
> you set a modem server--not sure if it has to be dedicated.
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to make a modem server the BOTH Mac and PC's
> can access?  I know, dream on... :-/
> 
> -E.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Eric J. Huppertz, Systems Manager | "I turned my air conditioner around and it
> Daily Vidette, Illinois State U.  |  got cold out. The weatherman said 'I don't 
> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu     |  understand, it was supposed to be 80  
> (309) 438-8565                    |  today,' and I said 'Oops.'"  -S. Wright 

--

Have you looked at Shiva's V.32 Netmodem. It has VERY good Mac support and
also allows the PC's to use it, provided the software you run on the PC
supports INT14 communications driver. The things aren't cheap, but they
are real simple. They just have a phone connection and a Network connection.
You might give them a call to get more info.

Steve

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Symantec -  Peter Norton Group
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