From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.211645.10640@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni) writes:
>From porthos!walter!att-out!rutgers!usc!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cts.eiu.edu!cfthb Wed Dec 30 15:53:00 EST 1992
>
>In article <1992Dec30.171740.7835@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni) writes:
>>

>
>   Should the schools teaching children that homosexuality is a valid 
>lifestyle choice.  If my son discovers that he is homosexual, I will deal 
>with it at that time.  What is relevant to this discussion is whether or
>not the school system should be teaching social values traditionally dealt
>with in the home.  I say NO!

I say yes....I say you have no right to force your set of values on anyone.

And, don't go labeling things as traditional values, because there
is no such thing.  A hundred years ago loving parents had their children
working in the sweat shops, mines, and farms.....People didn't have enough
time to have a traditional family since many people in a family worked
14-18 hours a day, no days off......When You and others say traditional
values you are bacally talking about a fictitious myth you have bought
into.  The vast majority of people wed out economic gain.......


>
>   One poster earlier made the point that rather than worry about teaching
>social values, schools might try teaching kids to read and add.  About
>six months ago the school supervisor for (I believe) Easton made a similar
>comment.  He defended the decrease in student scores in the traditional 
>subjects (math, science, history, ...) by pointing out that there are 
>only X hours in a day.  Time spent on teaching various social concerns (the 
>list is growing) is time taken away from traditional the traditional 
>disciplines.

This is occuring only because parents aren't being parents.  Parents
in this country are not living up to this myth called a family....I see
lots and lots of love missing in families.  The schools tried to fix
what parents were neglecting.  If you talk to most....the vast majority
of teachers in the public system you will see that they don't want
to teach about diversity, about protecting oneself from a rapist, about
sex....nor do they want to have to look at their students and turn in 
a report to the principle if little Julie Phillips keeps coming to
class with bruses on her body......Most teachers want to teach, BUT BECAUSE
PARENTS IN VAST NUMBERS ARE AVOIDING RAISING THEIR OWN CHILDREN, society
once again has to take up the slack!


>
>>    And, btw, ask almost any gay person whether accepting themselves for
>>what they intrinsically are was an "easy way out".
>
>I was responding to your comment about suicide.  I regard suicide as a selfish
>act perpetrated by an individual who doesn't have the courage to deal with
>life on life's terms.


I look at a person who commits suicide and try to understand the
amount of pain he or she must have been going through.  Wondering why
this persons family couldn't see this pain.  Why parents weren't close
enough to their own child to see the hurt in his or her eyes.  

>
>>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
>
>Bill Buoni
>my opinions are my own and do NOT represent those of my employer!


Bil Snodgrass III
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