From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:35:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
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ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem) writes:

>In article <1hcrepINNkrp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>"Likul maqaamin maqaal" is fine with me, but who is to decide what the
>maqaam now is, and what the best maqaal that suits it?  I happen to think
>that the best maqaal now is to pursue the peace process to its limits, and
>see where it might lead.

>Who is to decide that such and such applies when Muslims are in power, and 
>such and such when they are oppressed?  I do not want to advocate total 
>pacifism, because I don't believe in it, but I can imagine someone other 
>than me [or you, of course :-) ] arguing for it based on what our Prophet
>told 'Al Yasser "Sabran 'Al Yasser" ("be patient").

Sometimes things are so clear where people can judge if it is night or
day, or if it is sun or moon.  By the same token, it is easy to tell 
whether muslims in power or not.

"Be patient" is not a silly matter.  The Prophet of Islam(pbuh) told that 
"sabran 'al yasser, in maoedakom al janah." in the early days of Islam 
were muslims were few and where islam had no power.  But did that allow the
prophet to make a comprmise with unbelievers for peace?  Abou Taleb used
to come to the Prophet and tell him we will make you the governor of Quraish
and grant you full authority if you stop your preaching.  He did not agree 
despite the fact he and his followers were opressed.  "Be patient" is a
phrase that is used temporarily when muslims are weak, but it doesn't
say go a head and persu peace as you are advocating.  "Be patient" is a phrase
that is can be said to those who are in no man's land in lebanon, not
for those who are going to sell Palestine and Jerusalem for jews.

Plus, the prophet(pbuh) had said in a sahih Hadith that Jihad will continue
till the day of judgment.  He didn't say "peace b/w jews and muslims" will
be achievable.  Also, The prophet(pbuh) had said in a sahih Hadith that muslims
will fight jews.  He didn't say muslims will make peace with jews.  
How would you explain to me this Hadith?  Is peace a temporary solution
and a first step towards the liberation of Palestine?  If this is the case, 
tell it to us and see if your jewish friend Ron appreciates it... It simply
is not going to work.

>As to Qisas or retaliation, so many scholars have expanded on it.  To say 
>the very least, many take the verse "faman 'afa wa aSlaH" ('he who forgives
>and amends..') to be epitomizing the whole Islamic difference.  There were
>many studies on why Islam is the final religion and Muhammad (PBUH) is 
>the Seal of Prophets, whereas all previous religions had it in their
>Scriptures that another religion/prophet will follow.  This lead to the
>idea that there have to be many unique characteristics of Islam that no
>other religion has (check Allama Muhammad Iqbal on this one).  One such 
>characteristic, it is thought, is the introduction of a balance between
>Qisas and IHsan in achieving justice.

Tell me how this Allama can achieve justice on the palestinian issue thru 
forgive and amend.  Balance is not always applicable.  When in Quran it says
in one verse "fight those who fight you", and in the other "Forgive and amends,
" when you balance these two verses, you get "don't do anything and be 
neutral."  "Forgive and amend" is a phrase that is used oftenly among muslims.
Islam is not like Johova Witnesses.  Islam doesn't tell you "amend and forgive
those who fight you."  Islam went into a battle because one muslim woman was 
attacked in a market and screamed "wa mo itasimah."

>>  And if this verse is not applicable to muslims these days, Hamas, Malcom X,
>>  and many others are all wrong and you are the new Sheikh of Islam.

>Although I am not very happy with the tone of what you're saying, your 
>point is well taken nevertheless.  I certainly don't give Malcolm X too 
>much authenticity.  I respect the man, and he is certainly a great person,
>but this is different from saying he is a scholar on Islam and whatever
>he says about it is correct.

I didn't say Malcom X is a scholar of islam.  But he is a one that 
tells a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, and soul for a soul, which
all you fail to see how it can be applicable.

>>  44. "Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and
>>  light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah)
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of
>>  Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required
>>  to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses
>>  thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  unbelievers."
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  The prophets who submitted themselves to Allah are among them
>>  the prophet of Islam(pbuh).  So  he is part of these people
>>  "Alatheena Aslamoo" who judge for jews and muslims. And the
>>  rest of the verse is directed to muslims otherwise it would've
>>  been said instead of "therefore fear not the people and fear Me,
>>  and do not take...", "therefore let them fear....".
>>  So when the next verse comes, both jews and muslims are included.

>I fail to see the connection.  I also fail to see how the "fear Me"
>material is relevant here (but of course I always thank you for
>quoting the Quran).

 I really don't blame you if you fail to see this one as you
 fail to see many others.

>>* A final word to you that is don't be like these people of the
>>  book "who beleive in part of the book and disbeleive in the
>>  other."
>Thanks; really.  We always need to remember this.
>Best Ahmad

Yunus
{
96. Surely those against whom the word of your Lord has
proved true will not believe,
97. Though every sign should come to them, until they witness 
the painful chastisement.
}
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