From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Venedikt Erofejev: Moskva - Petushki
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:27:20 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Nov9.195241.17273@husc3.harvard.edu>
verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>In his article  zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>[ answering Yury Mukharsky; much deleted ]

MZ:
>> By contrast, instead of an argument, Verbitsky
>>offers his say-so; not too impressive.

MV:
>	Let me step in your esteemed discussion:
>	I have offered not only so-so, but also
>	analysis of Rozanov's essay and Leniniana.

Uh huh.  Here it is:

MV:
>	This is seen even better on other Erofeev's books:
>	his "literature criticism" on Vassily Rozanov
>	and infamous Leniniana. There, he defies any idea
>	of genre: instead of writing a critical essay
>	about Rozanov, he raves about hangover, love
>	and suicide. Nevertheless, this essay is one
>	of the best writtten about Rozanov, even if there
>	is almost no of him. I have no idea how it happens.
>	Probably because Erofeev displays his love to Rozanov
>	better by talking about hangover than any other
>	essayist - writing about Suvorin and Russkaya Mysl'.

Misha, in my circles this passage would not qualify as an informative
description, much less as any sort of analysis.

MV:
>	On the other hand, *you* have not added
>	anything except Ovid quote. The evidence of this
>	quote, besides being known (and not-so-well supported :)
>	does not add anything since there are more explicit
>	quotes and allusions (up to Radishchev's one :)

Likewise, this is called `gainsaying'.  Dear Misha, I am not at all
interested in conducting a metadiscussion about research methodology
in this venue; if you are really raring for a fight, go post your
considered opinion of logic as a branch of computer science on
sci.logic, and I will rise to the occasion.

MV:
>	In any case, there are more quotes in Leniniana
>	since it consists only of quotes. Apparently
>	this source is not known to Swiss professionals
>	(and as such, to you :),

I am certainly familiar with the text in question, and aware of its
collage nature.  I am also aware that it has no bearing on the
original subject of this discussion.

MV:
>				 so you preferred not
>	to discuss it, restricting yourself to 
>	personal innuendo on my alleged mathematical
>	background. Needless to say, even this was
>	not accomplished (I have only 1.5 years
>	of formal education in math and one - of graduate
>	school :). So to say...

Good for you.  Look, Misha, you are sort of a nice guy, at least when
not confronted with a gerbil, but please do not confuse yourself into
taking me for somebody who gives a fuck for your formal education.  If
you want to make a substantive argument in support of your position,
assuming against all appearances that you do have a position to
support, then by all means do so.  Otherwise go back to your flame
wars, or whatever it is that gets your rocks off.
 

>	Misha.
>
>	    "Taobh ri taobh tha sinn mar aon de dha shaobhail
>	    "Do lambh nam lambh gabhal aithne air leim a ghablh
>	    "Mar e shealbhaichis mi an tiodhlac seo ahonisa
>	    "S mo lambh n'ad lambh smuainich air na tireauu ceinne
>	    "S mi deaunabh gardochas da raire

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
" -- I shall speak bluntly, because life is short."
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