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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95LX Derive - is it different?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:58:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct1.120315.17564@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>Derive is something I think should be included in the otherwise excellent FAQ
>list published yesterday. After all, many 95LX users are frustrated students
>trying to learn and understand calculus. My question is: does the HP95LX Derive
>card support the non-standard 240*128 display? The MS-DOS version for
>desk/laptop
>machines apparently does not, although MDA emulation will display rough graphs
>and mathematical expressions on the 95LX as well.

Thank you!

The 95 version was specially written for the machine and does support
the non-standard text and graphics display.  Here is much larger group
of Derive reviews that will replace and includes the derive.doc file in
eddie.mit.edu:/distrib/hp95lx/doc shortly.  Thanks to those who posted
their comments on Derive.

On a related subject, is there software which will give a 95 most, if
not all, the features of the HP-48 machines?  Derive seems to get
close.  I guess it's possible to download the entire HP-48 ROM and run
a Saturn emulator but I'm thinking of something that would be legal for
people who don't own a 48 and would be faster than emulating a Saturn
on a V20.
From: eab@uh.msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: derive for HP95LXS
Date: 23 Dec 91 11:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: eab@uh.msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center


From NASA tech briefs, December 1991, page 69


DERIVE: a compact card for the HP 95lx
(this software also runs on 8088->80486 machines)


Symbolic math from algebra -> calculus
2d and 3d plotting
simple, letter driven menu interface
solves equations exactly
understands vectors and matrices
split or overlay algebra and plot windows
displays accepted math notation
perform arbitrary precision numerical work to thousands of digits
simplify, factor, and expand expressions
does exponential, logarithmic, trigonometric, hyperbolic, and
probability funcs.
taylor and fourier series approx.
permits recursive and iterative programming
can generate fortran, pascal, and basic statements

System requirements:
PC version:
 ms dos 2.1 or later, 512kb ram and one 3.5" or 5.25" disk drive
suggested retail $250

ROM-card version
HP 95lx palmtop, suggested retail $289


Contact soft warehouse for a list of dealers (or me, my dad's a dealer)


Soft Warehouse
3660 Waialae Ave
Suite 304
Honolulu, HI USA 96816
phone (808) 734-5801
fax   (808) 735-1105

I have used derive. it is really good software, and doesn't need a killer
machine to do killer work..

--
Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu)        Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Operations/User Services               1200 Washington Ave. S.E.
(612) 626-1571                         Minneapolis, Minnesota  55415
From: an868@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Rees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95 not an "Organizer" but a PC. (The decline of the American Programer)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 19:05:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Please, give me a break.  How can you tie in a mistake on your part with the
decline of western programmers?!  There is no BUG or inherent flaw in the
software you just described but rather a flaw in the user.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:3072 comp.sys.handhelds:2132 comp.sys.hp:11087
From: applequi@cae.wisc.edu (George Applequist)
Subject: COMM redial script for 95LX
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:28:13 CDT
Originator: applequi@sun-3.cae.wisc.edu


After great consternation about the persistently jammed dial-in lines
here at Wisconsin's CAE, I devised this redial script that some of you
may wish to employ.  (Why?  Because it is simple, quick, free, and
carries no risk of crashing your 95LX.)  

This works with my WorldPort 2400 modem, and I believe it should work 
with any other modem using standard Hayes commands.

The script consists of the following, with the last two lines repeated
as many times as you wish (maybe hundreds, if necessary!).

A/
{BUSY}
~~~~~A/

The A/ command simply redials the number.  When the modem says BUSY,
the script waits 5 seconds (and you can alter the delay by changing
the number of tildes, or ~'s).  Then it redials again.  When there is
finally an answer, you can press Ctrl-Break (not Ctrl-F6) to cancel the script.
Of course, if you want to run another script to log in, then you must run it
manually (Ctrl-F3).  If, when the other modem answers, you don't press
Ctrl-Break, then the script should cancel by itself after 30 seconds,
because it won't receive the BUSY message (unless the other host sends
the word "BUSY" for some reason).

Hope this helps.  Does anyone have any better solutions?

   ___    ____            
  /   \  /       /\       
 /    __/_______/__\____  George Einar Applequist   (applequi@cae.wisc.edu)
 \    \ \      /    \  /  College of Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison
  \___/  \____/      \/
From: djohnson@sedona.intel.com (Don Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Programming the 95LX
Keywords: Menu Programming 95LX
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:02:46 GMT
Reply-To: djohnson@az.intel.com
Organization: ICD Group, Intel Corporation
Originator: djohnson@waddel


Is anyone out there actually programming the 95LX?  I'm using plain, ol' 
Turbo Pascal 5.0 to program it, and I was hoping to use the simple
READKEY/KeyPressed routines to capture the MENU key on the 95LX.  No luck.
Has anyone had any luck capturing the MENU key?

Oh, and if you couldn't tell, I don't have the Developers Kit.  Never did
fill out that ISV application...

Thanks!

  DJ

 djohnson@az.intel.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: cdb@fc.hp.com (Chuck Bade)
Subject: COMMO's VT100 emulation on HP95
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:52:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Has anyone seen a problem with the VT100 terminal emulation using COMMO on 
the 95?  

I am using a curses based program that runs fine on several other terminals,
both emulators and hardware, VT100's and HP's.  The character positioning 
seems to get scrambled occasionally and seems to be worse if I give it input
at too fast of a pace.

I really need a reliable VT100 emulation on the 95 for a project I am working
on and I need it do be able to do inverse video and to be fairly fast, like 
COMMO.  

I have tried turning on XON/XOFF, but this has not helped.  I have not tried 
ENQ/ACK yet.  That's next.

--OR-- 

Has anyone seen a < $500 very small terminal?  We get the 95 for a decent
internal price, so it makes it desirable to use, but if I could find something
better for a few bucks more, I'd use it instead.

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

--
   Chuck Bade           Manufacturing Development Engineer
                        HP Integrated Circuits Business Division
   cdb@fc.hp.com        (telnet/303) 229-6956
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: 512K Fujitsu memory cards for sale
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:25:36 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: flavio@cflav.sublink.org's message of 29 Sep 92 17:49:53 GMT

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 17:49:53 GMT, flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta) said:

Flavio> Hello,

Flavio> I have a few 512K RAM memory cards PCMCIA 2.0 format,
Flavio> manufactured by Fujitsu, for sale.

Flavio> They work fine on the HP95LX (sure) and other palmtops
Flavio> (likely).

Flavio> Price is 200$ each, shipping included, Credit cards accepted
Flavio> (Visa, Eurocard, Mastercard)

When the street price of a 1M 1.0 format card is $189, this 512K 2.0
format asks for $200 seems a bit too high.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: kalpin@src.honeywell.com (Scott Kalpin)
Subject: TI85 data
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:05:04 GMT


Does anybody have any experience using a TI85 and/or any pointer on how to
get the technical doc for it?

-- 
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ARPA : kalpin@src.honeywell.com        3660 Technology Drive
PHONE: (612) 782-7207                  Minneapolis, MN 55418
                                                  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: ywlee@sparc27.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Subject: Modems and Hard Disk drives for palmtops
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:55:38 GMT

Hi,

Would you people tell me what kinds of modems and hard disk drives 
for palmtops available out there in the world? I need to perform
a comprehensive survey on this matter. Please include specific 
information about the vendors and their phone numbers if possible. 
Also, please include what are the compatible machines for them.

I'll summarize if there are enough interests.


youngwhan.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: muLISP and HP95
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:56:46 GMT

In article <KARLJ.92Sep28185542@beli.exodus> karlj@beli.exodus (Karl Jacob) writes:
>	Has anyone used muLISP on the HP95?  If you have please post an
>evaluation.  I am particularly interested in whether or not a full blown appli-
>cation can be written using muLISP.  Are there functions for drawing to the 
>display?  Are there any other LISP dialects available on the HP95?

As far as i know, derive was written using muLisp, but, of course it probably
wasn't compiled -on- the 95.

I use good ol' xlisp. It works fine. I have a simple scheme I was going to port
too, but I use SoftPC on the mac and compiles take a while, i need a break in
coursework before i can do it.

Id be intereted in muLisp info as well...

-- 
Flip Phillips					flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University
From: diamant@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (John Diamant)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:21:01 GMT
Subject: Re: HP95:putting a pcx file behind the password entry line
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

In comp.sys.palmtops, greff@eecs.umich.edu (vincent greff) writes:

> I'm using my HP95 with a password, but what worries me is that
> when it asks me for the password the screen behind the word pwd:
> has no useful information on it. Typically, I would like to see
> my name and phone number on it (so if I forget somewhere I have a
> little chance to get it back!!):

I don't know the answer to your question, but I wouldn't suggest counting
on the topcard (with or without password) to get your 95 back if you leave
it somewhere).  There are two many reasons that the topcard screen might
not be seen (the person who finds it, doesn't dare turn it on, the main
battery is dead, the machine was left with an application running and
thus the topcard isn't visible and the finder doesn't know how to get
the topcard to display).  I put my full name and phone number (including
area code, but not international dialing code -- though if I had thought
of it, I probably would have put that too) on the engraving plate on the
back.  I think it's a lot safer then counting on the topcard).


John Diamant
Software Engineering Systems Division
Hewlett Packard Co.		ARPA Internet: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com
Fort Collins, CO		UUCP:  {hpfcla,hplabs}!hpfclp!diamant

This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for informational
purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: HP-95 Loose screen
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: l30346.Cohena-300992091657
Followup-To: comp.sys.palmtops
Organization: MDSSC-Space Station

A few months ago I posted this on COMP.SYS.Handhelds, but I couldnt get
access to here....  It may be time to repeat it anyway...maybe a good FAQ
candidate too.....

The cover on the HP 95 gets loose after a lot of use....a few months..... 
This is due to the fact that HP uses a clutch on the hinge on the right
side only.  While this doesnt hurt the HP95, it can be a pain since the
screen doesnt stay put and it feels real loose.....

Here's one solution that definately works....
Pull open the left side hinge cap (use your finges...no tools or you will
scratch your favorite toy) place both strands of a rubberband diagnolly
through the slit in the hinge... Stretch the rubberband to make the strands
thin and get them all the way in the slit. Release the rubberbands so the
strands expand the slit. Trim the rubberband with a razor so that the end
out the top of the hinge is fairly short so the cap can get back on, but
the other ends should stick out just a tiny bit.  Put the cap back on and
the two ends which stick out the front side of the slit should stick
between the cap and the hinge creating friction.  The screen will now seem
firm since the rubberband expands the internal hinge.  The friction caused
by the ends between the cap also keeps the screen where you want it at the
best reading angle for you.....

I did it to my trusty 512 months ago and the rubberband doesnt seem to be
wearing out at all..... it works great!
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: hp95lx macro program?
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:36:28 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Anyone have any experience using a keyboard macro program on the
HP95LX? Something like ProKey or SmartKey but presumably smaller
and less of a memory hog. Let me know what you use and how it
works, please. Thanks.

                   |
...eliot          -*-                  RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP95LX Derive - is it different?
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:48:39 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:

> The 95 version was specially written for the machine and does support
> the non-standard text and graphics display.  Here is much larger group
> of Derive reviews that will replace and includes the derive.doc file in
> eddie.mit.edu:/distrib/hp95lx/doc shortly.  Thanks to those who posted
> their comments on Derive.
> 
> On a related subject, is there software which will give a 95 most, if
> not all, the features of the HP-48 machines?  Derive seems to get
> close.  I guess it's possible to download the entire HP-48 ROM and run
> a Saturn emulator but I'm thinking of something that would be legal for
> people who don't own a 48 and would be faster than emulating a Saturn
> on a V20.
> 

I think that Saturn emulators able to run ** any ** software for the HP48 are
well beyond the actual capabilities of a DOS machine.

Even HP did not use an emulator for writing the RPL core but, but simpler
cross-compilers and a black box containing a special HP48 connected to
a Unix workstation.

Concerning Derive's capabilities, it is a great program (not a programming
language). May be that using MuLISP you can achieve some result, but I 
wouldn't be too optimist.

Bye
From: karlj@beli.exodus (Karl Jacob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: muLISP and HP95
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:55:42
Organization: /export/home/beli/karlj/.organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: beli

	Has anyone used muLISP on the HP95?  If you have please post an
evaluation.  I am particularly interested in whether or not a full blown appli-
cation can be written using muLISP.  Are there functions for drawing to the 
display?  Are there any other LISP dialects available on the HP95?




				Karl
From: everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Everett Kaser)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:22:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Programming the 95LX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

The problem is probably that the PASCAL "key pressed" function is calling DOS
or is calling INT 16 with function 0 or 1, which is the oldest, most "compat-
ible" call in the BIOS keyboard routines, and those functions don't return the
"extended" keycodes (MENU and the blue app keys).  You have to call INT 16
with functions 0x10 and 0x11 in order to get those keycodes.

** Everett Kaser                   Hewlett-Packard Company
** ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett        work: (503) 750-3569   Corvallis, Oregon
** everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com        "Today is a good day for change."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: HP95LX Derive - is it different?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:03:15 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Derive is something I think should be included in the otherwise excellent FAQ
list published yesterday. After all, many 95LX users are frustrated students
trying to learn and understand calculus. My question is: does the HP95LX Derive
card support the non-standard 240*128 display? The MS-DOS version for
desk/laptop
machines apparently does not, although MDA emulation will display rough graphs
and mathematical expressions on the 95LX as well.

MARCU$

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
. . . Fififinlandssvensk
     
Marcus Lindroos                             Internet:     mlindroos@abo.fi
Computer Science
Abo Akademi University
Finland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: muLISP and HP95
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:35:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.032834.1382@hemlock.cray.com> mpj@hemlock.cray.com (Marvin P. Johnson) writes:
>
[...]

>Let's not forget the excellent ylisp version for the '95 in
>eddie:distrib/hp95lx/languages/ylisp95.zip ! It supports graphics too.
>Marvin.

Pardon my naive-ness, where is eddie? You talkin' osu-eddie?

-- flip


-- 
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The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: hard drive for hp95
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:03:00 GMT

"eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:

:)Does anyone know if the new "Kittyhawk" 1.3" hard drives HP
:)recetly announced are going to be installable in HP95's? Is HP
:)offering an upgrade path? Thanks.

If I recall, there is no "bay" to put a hard drive as in conventional
laptops and desktop machines.  The hard drive (if available) would have
to go as an external add-on.  It just wasn't designed to use an internal
hard drive.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             | Elections are like washing windows...
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    | The dirt is always on the other side.
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |             -Reader's Digest Sept 92
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: jeremy@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: I'm looking to buy an HP 95 (512 or 1M)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:59:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep28.185940.17642
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University


If you have an HP 95, any flavor, please email me.  95's (512k) are
going for <$300 and 1M versions I don't know.

Thanks, Jeremy |-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: muLISP and HP95
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:54:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.120444.10629@hemlock.cray.com> mpj@hemlock.cray.com (Marvin P. Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct2.153544.20733@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.032834.1382@hemlock.cray.com> mpj@hemlock.cray.com (Marvin P. Johnson) writes:
>> >
>> [...]
>18.62.0.6 (a.k.a. eddie.mit.edu) is the machine where all hp95lx
>software hangs out (well there's a lot on Compuserve too but that's another story)
[...]

Gratze... Yeah, it kinda slipped my mind that osu-eddie has been dead for
years. I just came back to OSU after years away, things change, peopoe change,
hairstyles change...

-- flip
-- 
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The Ohio State University
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: hard drive for hp95
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:46:51 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Does anyone know if the new "Kittyhawk" 1.3" hard drives HP
recetly announced are going to be installable in HP95's? Is HP
offering an upgrade path? Thanks.

                   |
...eliot          -*-                  RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: 512K Fujitsu memory cards for sale
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:49:53 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

Hello,

I have a few 512K RAM memory cards PCMCIA 2.0 format, manufactured by 
Fujitsu, for sale.

They work fine on the HP95LX (sure) and other palmtops (likely).

Price is 200$ each, shipping included, Credit cards accepted
(Visa, Eurocard, Mastercard)


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From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Derive 2.0 for sale
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:57:04 GMT
Reply-To: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

I have a copy of Derive 2.0 on ROM card for the HP-95 for sale.  I'm
asking for $120, and I'll pay postage.  Derive is a good symbolic math
package; see recent postings for more information or feel free to
contact me with questions.  I've upgraded to 2.5.

Note:  Derive comes with a "license" that says Soft Warehouse "owns" the
ROM card.  But I had bought and paid for it before receiving the alleged
"license", so I claim ownership to the card and the copy of Derive on
it.

                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com