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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Escape Artist
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:49:33 GMT


I think Mr. McDuff has been reading r.p.d!  A few days ago there
was a post from someone who's dog was able to escape from every crate
she could find.  I went home that evening, to be greeted at the door
by a VERY excited puppy.  Being greeted at the door was a shock,
since he should have been in his crate!  I PUT him in his crate and
LOCKED the door myself at lunch.  Hmm...  

Well, he hasn't broken out during the day (or night) since.  But here's
the thing.  Whenever we're *home* and put him in the crate, 2 minutes later,
here comes the Duff-meister, proud as he can be of himself.  He's got
it down to less than a minute now.  Interestingly, he only escapes
when we're HOME (with the noteable exception of his escapade above!).
Granted, he has a fairly cheap crate (one of the least expensive of
the General Cage crates), but he is so GOOD at getting out! I watched him
last night, and he knows *just* how to hit the latch to pop it open.
Two, maybe three swipes with a well-placed paw, and out he comes.

At this point I don't think it's a problem, since he only escapes when
we're home and he wants to be with us, but at the Greeley and Buckhorn
shows this weekend it may prove more worrisome. (If anyone's there,
stop by and root for Mr. McDuff, formally known as Gaymardon Country
Bumpkin, in the Bearded Collie puppy class.  Unfortunately, I won't
be there with him, so he could use some net.support!)

Thanks for listening.  Any suggestions for the escaping would be
greatly appreciated.  I am going to the mountaeering store today
to buy a small caribeener (sp?) to use as a "lock", so I'll let
you know how that goes.
-- 

David G. Simmons	"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a
davids@lanl.gov		meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and
			add drama to an otherwise dull day."
						-Calvin
If I said it, LANL didn't..."If you weren't such a muttonhead, you might have 
thought of it yourself!" (Calvin, again...)

-- 

David G. Simmons	"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a
davids@lanl.gov		meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and
			add drama to an otherwise dull day."
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From: J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Neutering a male pointing dog???
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:06:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE17RU
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug14.091437.17856@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu writes:
> Roger Green says...

[he is nervous about castrating his English setter]

and asks

> >	Does anyone have any knowledge or experience in hunting with
> >neutered male pointing dogs?  My main concerns would be about the
> >basic hunting instinct (or drive) and about stamina and weight gain.

I had a GSP which we had castrated. He's fine. Hasn't gained any
weight (except when he's stayed with the mother-in-law), and works
fine. But there's no need to castrate the dog *unless* his attentions
are being drawn by bitches. In the case of a English Setter, I'd be
surprised. My advice: don't bother until/unless you have to.

> I don't have a male hunting dog but I do have a female German Wirehair
> Pointer.  We had Elsa spayed when she was about 1 1/2 years old.  She
> is now 3.  She hasn't gained a pound since we had the operation done
> and she is still as active as she ever was. 

Well, that's cause and effect :-)

> We were really hoping
> that it would calm her down so she wouldn't try to hunt in the next
> county BUT no such luck.  Spaying her took absolutely nothing away
> >from her drive, stamina or hunting instinct!

Whatever made you think it would? :-) A Wirehair is a Wirehair ....

--Jonathan
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: HELLO
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov

RM>BTW, I'll be in Cleveland, Ohio at the Western Reserve Kennel Club on Sunday
RM>g. 23, 1992.
RM>Judging this time instead of showing, but if anybody who reads this is at th
RM>how and
RM>gets a chance, please stop by my ring and say hi.

Hi Russell,

Can't seem to find my judges book, so I'll ask. What breeds/Groups do
you Judge?
Since I have your ear so to speak, do you mind if I ask some questions?

I am show chairman for 92/93 ( Lucky Me!!) What can I do for the judges
to make thier stay with us as pleasant as possible? Anything that other
show giving clubs have done for you that you found to make you stay
better would be appreciated. This Oct. will be my 3rd time as Show
Chairman, 2 more time to go before I retire the position. So far the
only problem I have had was a diabetic judge. Had to run out and get
Diet Coke for him.(minor problem) We supply drinks, gum, candy etc at
the rings for the judges. Judges Lunch and Dinner at the Show site. Open
Bar for them at the start of Groups (after they have judged, we hope!)
Judges can bring their spouses and we pay for all expenses except
airfare ( such as double room, and meals ). We are a small club, show
usually has about 1200 entries, it is held outside under cover. We are
trying to build our reputation as a excellent club for judges and
exhibitors alike. We are trying to hire judges that will draw entries.
Not just the same locals over and over again. It is cheaper that way but
the entries drop.

Any suggestions that you have would be greatlly appreciated!!

Thanks,

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us

P.S. If you come to Texas or LA let me know, I will stop by and say
  howdy! <G>
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From: richard@bach.udel.edu (Richard Gordon)
Subject: Private to Ridgeback Owner Anne Locke
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:52:40 GMT

(Sorry guys.  E-mail breaks sometimes....)

Anne, 

E-mail to you is bouncing again.  We get incoming mail from you
but outbound mail for you comes back.  Has been for a while.
Any ideas what to try?

Richard
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CNS User Services, Smith Hall          or  gordon@udel.edu
University of Delaware                 or  acs02244@udelvm.bitnet
Newark, DE 19716 USA (302-831-1717)
From: thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Kids and Dogs
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:56:17 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

A friend of mine recently told me a story about a neighbor she has.
Seems the neighbor has 2 kids (6 and 8) and a black lab.  The kids never
stopped pulling the dog's ear, tail, etc.  The parents never said
anything to the kids about it.  Finally, one day the dog snapped at the
kids for pulling his tail.  THey had him put to sleep because they
didn't want him around the kids anymore.  They thought he was
dangerous.

Maybe people should train their kids to be more considerate of their
pets.

Thuy-An

p.s. they had the dog for 6 years.
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:56:38 GMT

In article <l8vs10INNhhr@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
    primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:
 
>
>I have resisted the temptation to respond to this thread.  But it seems that
>some of us have the idea that change is inherently a bad thing (at least
>when it comes to dog breeds).  I am not a dog breeder and I do not play one
>on TV.   I make some observations:  1) if humans were not involved in the
>breeding process, there would be breeds (only "mutts");  2) to argue that
>a certain breed must retain certain characteristics (such as the ability
>to hunt) begs the question when 3) the very intervention of humans in the
>breeding process changes the shape and characteristics of future members
>of the breed.  Let's face it: labs aren't out there on their own looking
>for mates which might improve the breed.
 
 
If you want to create a new breed, then by all means, be my guest.
But that is not what most people are arguing for (or even you for that
matter).  What you are defending is to change the purpose of an existing
breed when that original purpose is still needed.  And that is wrong.
 
 
>|>If someone wants to take a hunting dog and make it a perfect companion,
>|>let them.
>
>To which Chris Barnes replied:
>
>> No.  Not without a fight.  Not with MY breed.
>
>How pretentiously overbearing.  "MY breed" indeed. You don't own the
>breed, Chris.
 
I responded privately to the other post because I felt that it was
sent tongue-in-cheek, and he understood what is meant by "my breed".
Don't be ignorant on purpose; of course I don't OWN the breed.
Any more than I own Texas when I say it's MY STATE.   And by that
method, Labs ARE my breed.  Geez!
 
 
>If the breeding community moves in the direction of
>breeding out the hunting ability then that is the way it will be.  *You*
>may still own specimens of that breed which retain the hunting instinct,
>but the best of the breed will be otherwise.
 
And I have every right to fight that.  And I will.
 
 
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x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 15 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: To Bait or Not to Bait
Date: 11 Aug 92 08:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com

  The obedience folks find it unnecessary.
BWS>Some people work with dogs while others bribe them to stand with their
BWS>ears perked up.

Obviously you have never trained for obedience. How do you think the
dogs are trained? They are given "bait" everytime they do an exercise
correctly! The are slowly weaned off the bait because the AKC does not
allow any in the ring. But if you stand out side an OB ring you will see
that as soon as the handler and dog leave the ring the dog is rewarded
with bait! You train themwith bait, till they can do all the exercises
with bait at the end.

Praise and Baiting are an intregal part of Obedience Work.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I Dream of Genie (was Re: new golden puppy)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:20:20 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
Summary: Garage door memories scar pup for life?
Keywords: rollup garage door combat flashback fight or flight reaction
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>	We got him from a backyard breeder. Because of this, Barney 
>spend most/all of his first 8 weeks outside or in a garage. 

We got our Doberman puppy from a backyarder who raised them in the
garage.  I think he was about 4 months old.  As he got big enough
to be taken for walks outside the immediate neighborhood, I noticed
that he is afraid of machinery noises that catch him by surprise,
and sometimes just by the unexpected sight of machinery -- especially
above him.  The unexpected opening of a roll-up garage door, in 
particular, makes him act like the residents of Tokyo upon the 
approach of Godzilla.

He's not too crazy about buses, either.  Instant twirly-doodle dog 
on the end of the leash if the sound of the air-operated door 
mechanism comes from behind him.

Naturally, this is all based on supposition.  But he's well 
socialized, accustomed to dealing with unfamiliar situations, and
unperturbed by most household machinery such as the washing machine
or various power tools.

Just one more thing to keep in mind if you're raising a litter in the 
garage -- something you take completely for granted, like a machinery
noise, could seem like the Puppy-Sucking Snorkelwhacker to them!

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: del@email.sp.unisys.com (Del Fredricks)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Thanks
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:32:53 GMT
Organization: UNISYS - Eagan, MN

I don't know if posting privileges have been restored to my site yet, but
if the have I would like to express my appreciation to all who have posted
informative articles here.  As past president, and current member of the board,
of the local Collie Club of Minnesota and District Director for the national
Collie Clube of America, I have found usefull information and news worthy
alerts in these postings which I feel have aided me ot providing usefull
guidence within these clubs as to the issuse and concerns facing all dog
owners, not just the fanciers, around the world.

I currently will be leaving Paramax for a new career at FMC, and do not know
if they have this service at that site.  So, until I get a PC and local feed
of my own, or return to a site with access to the net.  Thanks for all the
useful information.  I hope any feedback I have provided was found to be as
useful and hope that they in some small way are worthy considering what I
feel I have received in return.

Again, thanks and I look forward to conversing in the *near* future.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Del Fredricks                   GrandOak Collies
Paramax Systems Corp.
del@planet8.sp.unisys.com       Animals make such agreeable friends;
                                They ask no questions nor pass any criticisms
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Del Fredricks                   GrandOak Collies
Paramax Systems Corp.
del@planet8.sp.unisys.com       Animals make such agreeable friends;
                                They ask no questions nor pass any criticisms
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Skin problems
Date: 14 AUG 92 07:48:19 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, USERID@bunny.gte.com ((   )) wrote:
>We have a Golden (notorious for skin problems) who had overlapping cases 
>of "hot spots" all summer, as well as a proposed allergy to fleas.  I 
>think the problem was finally solved when we switched her food to Natural 
>26 by Blue Seal (they make a puppy food as well).  We think the problems 
>were caused by ethoxyquin, commonly used as a preservative in pet food.  I 
>have read a number of documented cases where the symptoms were similar to 
>what you describe, and all problems cleared up upon changing the food.  We 
>also supplement with fatty oils (lineic acid-Linatone Plus) and 
>immediately clip the hair around any skin eruptions and clean with 
>Betadine and a mild soap.  They heal within several days and she hasn't 
>had to go on steroids (!) for infections.  We didn't like the idea of 
>steroids at all! 
>Jody



	I too have had these problems with my Labrador Retriever.  It was
compunded by a high veterinary turnover but now we've got a great vet so I
read him this posting(thank-you, Jody) -more or less.  He says the 
ethoxyquin allergy is a total myth.  They had a special day long seminar 
in vet school with a visiting speaker who said this is flat out "not true".
He does, however, advise the use of fatty oils, specifically the omega 3 
and omega 6.  Does your dog have these problems all year round?  
Maybe you are in a warm climate?  Our dog gets this like clockwork the last 
week in July-he's climbing the walls with itching buy the first week in August.
(we have cold winters) We were stupid for not spraying rigorously for 
fleas-but since the dog wasn't 'covered' we didn't think it 
was serious.  Our vet says it can only take one flea if the dog is
sensitive.  Since then I've heard very similar stories from friends in all
parts of the US with cats or dogs who've got "flea saliva allergies".
Hope this helps


Beverly
Wash Univ Med School (in St. Louis) 

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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: help with retriever problem
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:30:54 GMT

In article <168488552.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu 
(Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.212606.25134@newshost.lanl.gov>
>  srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
> 
>>>  ...my description of using a shock collar and
>>>     video camera deleted to save space.....
> 
>>Is'nt this just a wee bit on the elaborate side?

I agree
>Perhaps.  But I did see it work....

Not always a good reason...

>Recall that the problem pooch didn't chew on things when she was
>home.  Kinda hard to give a command when you're not there.  For those

Wrong - re-read the post:

In article <3533@eastman.UUCP>
   garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison) writes:
 
>i posted this question before, but i got no replies so i am
>trying again.  i have a three year old golden named Indy.
>this is the problem:  Indy does not destroy anything when
>i am not home.  when i *am* home, Indy seems to spend all of sher
>time looking for things to pick up and eat, like socks, underwear,
>used kleenix, shirts, remote controls, my glasses, etc.  if i don't 
>catch sher, she EATS them.  as in *gone*. she has eaten two pairs 
>of my glasses,

It sounds to me like Indy wants Laurie's attention and is very manipulative
at getting it. A friend of mine had this problem with their Brittany. To
solve the problem, they:
* took the dog to obedience class (Laurie, you're in my area, so feel free
  to e-mail me for info on local training schools); this helped in both
  controlling the dog and in maintaining the pack order (owners giving 
  commands are alpha)
* increased the correction for stealing - a good correction was to take
  the dog by the loose skin on the sides of the neck and lift the front
  of the dog off the ground, shaking her a bit, and scolding in low, 
  growly tones. Then ignore the dog for at least 5 minutes.
* uped the amount of exercise the dog gets; the obedience classes also
  helped increase the amount of attention the dog got.
* tried to be neater about leaving things lying around the house
* tried not to laugh or show any amusement when the dog 
  takes stuff she shouldn't - this is not always easy - my friend's Brittany
  liked to raid the laundry basket and would often fly around with various
  undergarments stuck to her face :+) - but, laughing will only encourage
  them.

To me, being in control of my dog means that I can always remove something
from his mouth; you should ask your obedience instructor to help you with
this and practice it often, since removing things from Indy's mouth will
also help maintain your status as leader.

Good Luck

********************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                            *
*                                                      *
* standard disclaimer applies...                       *
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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Floppy-eared G. Shep Puppy
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:17:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <BtAAFE.41M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) wrote:
> 
> I have a four-month old puppy with one ear up and the other decidedly not.
> I would appreciate advice on the liklihood it will stand on its own, 
> whether it should be taped, if so can I do it myself, etc.?
> 
> Thanks.

Definitely try taping it.  At 4 months this will probably prove successful,
especially 
if the other ear is up and strong.  If you get the advice of 10 different
breeders, you
will undoubtedly get 10 different methods of taping an ear up.  My best
advice is
have someone that has done it before (successfully) *show* you how to do it
the 
first time.

Good luck !
Kathy
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Providing for dog in case of death?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:08:53 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <YeVn9Om00WB50K_SUh@andrew.cmu.edu> "Sara B. Kiesler" <kiesler+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>OK, here is my last question. I promise.  Does any lawyerly person out
>there know how i could provide for the care of my dog in a simple way in
>case of my death.  Some kind of living will?  I have a person in mind
>(not family) who runs a kennel and would care for and love my dog.
>I never heard of a dog guardian though.
>Thanks, Sara

I drew up a document that included every contingency I could
think of including providing access to a bank account for
appointed guardian of my dog iin the event of my
death/disablement.  I had the three people involved sign it: me,
the guardian, and my brother, who I designated the executor.
The document was notarized and everyone involved got copies.  I
was assured that this was legal and binding.  Actually, one can
draw up one's own will in as simple a matter, so I've read...
-- 
Angela Lakwete                     \  "I'm a doctor not an escalator!" 
CompuServe: 72657,1125              /                -Friday's Child 
Internet: angela@brahms.udel.edu   \ 
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