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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CBM/Amiga vs NewTek/Toaster
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:28:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep1.212821.1446
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Ok then, hw about NewTeck buying a product from CBM (A2000)
 > and repacaging and hiding the name from it and adveritsments ?

Well, that sounds more like something that should be governed by the
agreement that NewTek and CBM signed.  Note that the motherboard clearly
says Amiga or CBM on it and that only the exterior has the "Toaster" label
on it.  It's likely that NewTek asked for and got permission to do that.


 > I thought that you have to acknowledge all copywrites.

You do... unless a specific written agreement supercedes that.  Copyrights
must be acknowledged on products mentioned in print, for example, but not
necessarily in a contract.  In this case, NewTek and CBM appear to be in
consent about what gets mentioned and what doesn't.  Obviously, they've had
a falling out of some kind but it would take a court to really resolve the
issue or perhaps even to state it clearly.  Lotta rumors flying around this
topic.  Those who really know probably can't say much.



        -=- Ed

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: CBM/Amiga vs NewTek/Toaster
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:59:30 GMT

In <1992Aug29.192557.14478@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>: 	Ok then, hw about NewTeck buying a product from CBM (A2000)
>: and repacaging and hiding the name from it and adveritsments ?
>: I thought that you have to acknowledge all copywrites. CBM can ban them
>: from using their product. Sort of like what apple can do if it wan't
>: to stop Products like Amax to exist. System disks are only allowed to run
>: on Macs

>NewTek can do that and get away with it--it's commonplace.  It's
>called open-ended manufacturing, or OEMming, a product.  Basically,
>they OEM'ed the 2000 and put labels on them, that's just fine.

>They've got other reasons for being angry at NewTek...

 Umm, OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer.

 I believe you mean VAR - Value Added Reseller.


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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: xpkmaster.library -- where do I find it?
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.714629437
Organization: University of Washington

In <6_=nqyq.djmccoy@netcom.com> djmccoy@netcom.com (Daniel J. McCoy) writes:

>In article <crystal.714620704@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>
>>If you are looking for it for multiplayer - it doesn't work. :<
>>
>>I found it through an email tip in a program called Fantasy_Program3.lha 
>>(or lzh?)   I forget where now, only that it is 500+ K long in a games
>>directory.  Hit archie again...?
>>
>>Crystal
>>  ;>

>Actually, I've used MultiPlayer V1.31 with XPKMaster.library on MODs compressed
>with XDrop but I haven't been able to get PowerPacked mods to decompress.  Since
>there's a compressor that does as good as a job as PowerPaker with the
>XPKMaster.library archive I found on a local BBS, I just compress everything
>with XDrop.  No problems so far.

>-- 
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>Internet : djmccoy@netcom.COM or Daniel_J_McCoy@cup.portal.com
>CI$      : 73617,2626
>Is it me or do I always have to pump money into my hobbies!


Multiplayer documentation claims it can uncompress and play any mod with
the xpkmaster.library installed.  It made no mention of XDrop.  Does that
compress things smaller than lharc or LZ??  (size of compression is
important here...)
Crystal
  ;>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Pumpkin Power)
Subject: HP Paint Jet XL Driver needed
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:59:52 EST


A friend of mine is after a printer driver for the above printer.  He
currently has a driver which works fine for A4 printing, but apparently
has problems with A3 pages.  I'd be interested in knowing what drivers
might be available (either P.D. or part of a commercial package) that could
rectify this problem.

Please send replies email, the newsfeed here isn't too good (I'll post
a summary if there's interest).  Thanks in advance.

Peter Barton : s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: utoddl@guitar.oit.unc.edu (Todd M. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Help! My amiga can't walk! (Lost its feet)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:31:48 GMT

>In article <1992Sep3.002900.1501@pro-freedom.cts.com> eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com  
(Ed Brown) writes:
>> > when putting big rubber feet on anything, *screw them down*!

Yeah, what he said.

>>Well, some do and some don't.  Unless there is some strain placed upon the
>>feet in a sideways direction, they should not have any probs.[...]
>>While screws,
>>bolts, and welding all lead to solid fixtures, a drop of rubber cement
>>works well for me... and costs less as well.  Cost is no big deal on 1-2
>>machines but how about for 1,000,000 machines?  It adds up.

Get real.  If a machine needs feet, the feet need to stay on.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skaski@mits.mdata.fi (Samuli Kaski)
Subject: DOS/2 and DOS/3
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:23:40 GMT

Were included in the V2.04 roms and the upcoming WorkBench 2.1
also uses them. Now what i would like to know is that what is
the diiference TECHNICALLY between theese to DOS disk versions.
And also the INTERNATIONAL and NONINTERNATIONAL ffs mode in wb2.1
has confused me alot so any help from anyone will be appriciated.

Btw. Don't tell me what the file 'wb2.1.doc' tells about these because
i have the file and it gave meno sutisfaction ;)
 
-Samuli


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: amuser@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:19:41 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

>>Seminars for World of Commodore, Pasadena Ca.
>> 
>>Saturday, Sept 12, 1992 10 am - 5 pm
>> 
>> 3:00 PM  *Amigavision 3.0
>> 3:45 PM  *Commodore New Product Overview
>> 4:00 PM  *AmigaDos 2.1
>> 

>Many people wondering HOW can Commodore take only 15 MINUTES to show
>many new Amigas!?  C= said new Amigas showing up at Australa WOC
>and new Amigas == A600 and A3000T!

>IF Amigas with AA selling soon WHY sell 2.1 OS???

Maybe CBM will give A4000 owners WB3.0 BETA and WB2.1 like they did with
the A3000 (1.3 & 2.0x). This would also explain why they haven't given
the A4000 or WB3.0 (or have they ?) to developers first.

Gary McGhee


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: umkhawaj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tahir Z. Khawaja)
Subject: Software for BridgeBoard needed!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:29:29 GMT


Hello,

	One of my users bought a bridgeboard but did not get the software.
He bought it used.  :-(   Well he needs the software that allows you to read
files from the amiga side.  Is it possible for someone to send me this in mail or does he have to buy the software?

BYE

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From: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Word Processing Program
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:30:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


	I would like to buy a word processing program for my Amiga 1000
(512K memory), so I'm starting to investigate the various
possibilities.  I'm posting here because I'm very interested in any
suggestions from the net.  I'm sure there are quite a few people who
might be able to recommend a good package for me, so fire away.



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From: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: "Screen-choosing" Commodity?
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:37:07 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED



	I'm looking for a Commodity (or similar background program) that
will pop-up a menu of all existing screens, let me choose one, and
automatically activate that screen and bring it to the front.

	Does such a program exist?  When I'm running 4 or more applications,
screen-flipping by hand is boring.

	If no such program exists, anybody want to write it?  I think
it would be extremely useful for lots of people.

	Followups are directed to comp.sys.amiga.applications.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland III)
Subject: Re: What is so special about Amiga
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:05:06 GMT


But could you seriously consider going back to monotasking of your own free
will.  Sure you could run windows on 586 and have some semblance of real
multimedia but I doubt it could compare to an A3000 on an '040.  I'll never
stop buying Amigas (well never is a strong word, maybe if something better 
comes along).  I will use my clone laptop for the occasional rediculously
huge spreadsheet and maybe as a glorified text editor, but little more.
I think the price is worth what you get.


P.S.  Everyone ignore this next comment.

Addison, shush!


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From: sl32t@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: FTP SITE w/ FISH DISKS??? <-----------
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:52:59 MDT
X-From: sl32t@cc.usu.edu
X-Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer

X-Date: 26 Aug 92 12:52:21 MDT
X-Organization: Utah State University



  
  
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE E-MAIL ME THE NAME OF THE FTP SITE THAT HAS ALL THE FISH
DISKS??

I think it starts with ux1. or something like that.  Please email me.
I haven't been around for a while.

Thanks,

	Carol
From: peterg@acci.com.au (Peter Gill xst2)
Subject: EDSI HD Controller for Amiga500
Keywords: EDSI Amiga
Reply-To: peterg@acci.com.au
Organization: Australian Computing and Communications Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:20:05 GMT

I have got hold of an ESDI Hard disk and want to connect it to 
my Amiga500. I have been in contact with various Amiga retailers,
but none of them know of an Amiga compatible ESDI controller.
Does anyone know of their existence?

Thanks.
Peter Gill
Melbourne
Australia
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Time Management/Scheduling S/W ???????
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:10:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
     <ALANB.92Aug27170938@swordfish.sdl.mdcbbs.com> <64773@cup.portal.com> 
   <crystal.714978090@glia> <64851@cup.portal.com> <crystal.715101575@glia>

In article <crystal.715101575@glia>
crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:

|  [...]
|  Neither of which he specified in his post.  Clarification of such would have
|  been in order, or simply post facts about programs you know about. Simple.
|  Life's too short to complicate it further... :>
|  [...]

BINGO!  :-)

Probably best to simply ignore ill-defined requests posted to the net.

As someone once said: "Defining the problem is half the solution."
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Help! My amiga can't walk! (Lost its feet)
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:38:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep1.213836.1446
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > ...what is the best glue to use for this?

By all means, fix the feet.  They help keep the computer from wandering
around and also help damp shock if the computer desk/table is bumped.  I'd
use a drop of rubber cement for that.  It's cheap and effective.


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From: rthorstr@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Time Management/Scheduling S/W ???????
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:27:48 MST

I'm looking for some "time management/scheduling" software.  Can anyone tell
me where I can find some, either commercial or pd or shareware?

                                     Thanks in advance,

                                     Rod T.
      
                                     EMAIL --> Rod_Thorstrom@oz.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dudley@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Subject: Re: What is so special about Amiga
Reply-To: dudley@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Organization: CEBAF
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:03:32 GMT


From what I've witnessed, the Amiga's ECS sound still beats the
SoundBlaster... But the new AA chipset also to be installed on the 4000
(and available for the lower machines) will have enhanced sound, a DSP
chip, (digital Sound processor from AT&T), as well as enhanced graphics
(256,000+ colors and a 256,000 color HAM mode(256,000 colors on screen
at once... without ham, prob. 256).
 
And, supposedly the Amiga 4000 will be in the price range of about
$2000, with which you add your own CPU (whatever you can afford).

Besides, who wants to be stuck with out of date technology (PeeCees)
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Subprocesses in Emacs
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:50:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.EebETBy00j_H41Lkw4
	<BtnADI.9xL@fc.hp.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 27-Aug-92 Re: Subprocesses in
> Emacs Steve Koren@fc.hp.com (427)

> The amiga-set-geometry problem doesn't bother me much, because I usually
> start GNU emacs and leave it running all the time until I reboot my
> machine for some reason.

amiga-set-geometry works fine as long as you specify the screen.

use 
(amiga-set-geometry 400 400 "Workbench")  for example
not (amiga-set-geometry 400 400)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:29:43 GMT

In <wedYCta00j_H8IOBh4@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:

>> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 3-Sep-92 More AmigaWorld Lies
>> Marc N Barrett@iastate.e (3857)

>> Mr. Barney also goes on state facts that are simply wrong.  He states
>> that 
>> there are about 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S., and there can't possibly
>> be 
>> this many.  

>Of course there can be.   There are two major (full line) and at least
>one minor (a500+software) amiga dealers in Pittsburgh alone. There are
>lots of cities in the US. If you wanted to rant about this, you'd be
>better off saying "WOT!!!?? only 1000, why, there are 3000 mac dealers
>in Indiana alone." or some such.

 I think Marc had a point.  Amiga dealers are getting pretty scarce.
1,000 is probably about right if you consider places like Software Etc
which still sell Amiga software.  Some of these might have some hardware
available.

 We just effectively lost one dealer here in Des Moines.  That brings us
down to one dealer left, and he's losing money fast.
 Minneapolis lost at least one more dealer up there.  I think they might
have 4 dealers left, plus Software, Etc..  Last I saw it appeared that
the video game store in the local mall up in Burnsville had dropped
Amiga in favor of Apple II and C-64 stuff.

 But 1,000 still seems awfully high.  At least here in the States, that'd
be 20 per state on the average, and unless California has 800, I doubt it.

 
 I'm willing to bet that the 1,000 figure includes dealers in Europe, which
probably make up a good chunk of that number.  Either that or they did
include the software only retailers which have nothing much to do with
Commodore...

 This discussion really doesn't seem appropriate for csa.advocacy.
Perhaps marketplace.  Otherwise misc.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: AA chipset in the A3000 -> I expect it!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.161521.14376@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>I dunno..  what were prices in Australia during the Power-Up offer?  In the
>U.S., you could get an A3000 25/50 for $2250 via Power Up.  It is sad that
>C= Australia didn't offer a similar upgrade incentive.

I think the A3000 was initially about $Aust 4500 with a monitor.  There 
was no upgrade deal from the A2000.  Now that the price of the A3000 has 
dropped to be almost reasonable ($Aust. 3300) the price of the A2000 
has dropped by such an incredible amount that 2nd-hand A2000s
are near worthless.  I'll probably end up keeping mine as a debugging
terminal. :-)

>Francis

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From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: FTP SITE w/ FISH DISKS??? <-----------
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:06:08 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

billw+@pitt.edu (William R Wilkinson) writes:


>  Okay, the sites are (US,  those are the ones I know! :-) ):
>                     ux1.cso.uiuc.edu   This is a 24 hour 7-day site with disks 
>from about number 91 or so up to current.
>                      grind.isca.uiowa.edu  I'm not sure about the hours of
>availability of this one, so it's probably better to wait for evenings and
>weekends.  This also has an amiga/Read.These directory with aquarium and 
>fishcat entries.

While grind is up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it is normally considered 
polite to not ftp large quantities of files during business hours from any
site due to more important traffic being on the nets at that time.  Of 
course, if you only need one file, go for it.
 
Please note that one of my fellow admins broke anonymous ftp on grind 
Friday night while attempting to fix something.  It should be back up
in a day or two.


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From: tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CBM/Amiga vs NewTek/Toaster
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:19:22 GMT
Organization: Endicor Technologies, Inc., San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Aug26.222340.1234@pro-freedom.cts.com> eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:
>  > ...Commodore told many of its dealers not to sign on as authorized
>  > Toaster Workstation dealers or else risk losing their official Commodore
>  > dealer status.
> 
> My.  What a nifty way of having your rear end torn off in court for
> "illegal infringement of trade practices".  CBM doesn't have a legal leg to
> stand on with this and if they were stupid enough to write that down,
> someone could have ripped 'em a new one.  Manufacturers are NOT allowed to
> dictate what retailers can sell or not sell.  Sheesh...

Oh yeah? Tell that to Apple and IBM, who were forcing dealers to choose
which platform they could make educational sales on, and Sun, who won't
(or at least wouldn't last I heard) allow anyone who sells their
machines to sell competing SPARC-based machines (laptops, for example,
are OK since Sun doesn't make one). 

Sleezy? Yes. Illegal? No, or at least filled with enough loopholes that
it's easy to get away with.

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From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Commodore service. Kudos and suggestions
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:26:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.cedCggC00j_HMIO4Aw
	<1992Aug31.060829.15334@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

For suggestions, skip quote and 1 paragraph:

> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 31-Aug-92 Re: CBM/Amiga vs
> NewTek/Toa.. Kristopher Johnson@casto (375)

>  Mind you, Commodore support is so bad it can probably be done without
> (as can Atari's). <grin>


I don't know about that. They replaced the mother board on my 3000 three
times under warantee and in my home. That's pretty good.  

Groupe des Machines Bull, on the other hand, who C= hire to do the
repairs, could do better though, like by equipping their service people
with a ZIP puller and forcing them to read and understand the
disassembly/assembly instructions. Perhaps C= should send training
materials on CDTV to them.

Commodore could help by making the diagnostic program more
stupid-person-friendly. It currently exits and clears the screen if it
succeeds. It should leave a message saying that it finished its tests
and that the computer is completely operational, and all of it's
circuits are functioning perfectly. Even better, it could say that, as
well as write it.  Oh yeah .... C= should also send a really big warning
to the service people telling them NOT TO PLUG THINGS INTO THE COMPUTER
WHILE IT IS SWITCHED ON (as my one did, harmlessly, fortunately)

michael
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