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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: NEW THREAD: Favourite Cure Song
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:28:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.023052.2806@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> edf250y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Marks) writes:
>How about this for a new thread... What is you favourite (and least
>favourite) Cure song?
>
>I'm not entirely satisfied that this group is the most appropriate for
>this posting, but early (therefore alternative) Cure is where my favs
>come from, so i'm hoping most similarly-minded fans read this group.


  Hope I don't get the song titles messed up but:

   Filling an Arab
   10:15 on a Saturday Knight
   Jumping someone else in a train
   Pry Mary

   Excuse me, but I am in a very weird mood at the moment.  I don't mean my
 list to be funny, but somehow this post just JUMPED at me and said,
  "Oh m'GAWWWWD! I just LOVE the Cure!".

   There's NOTHING wrong with trying to start a favorite-Cure-song thread
  at all!   Don't get me wrong.

   But the post that proposed it seemed just so ridiculously self-indulgent,
  I had to react.

  I propose a similar thread.

  How about everybody posting their favorite Jandek album?

    (If anyone if offended, please forgive me)                K!z!K

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: simondun@ecr.mu.oz.au (Simon DUNSTALL)
Subject: re: cure thread
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:11:13 GMT

Okay,

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: schmidt@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com
Subject: Re: Machines of Loving Grace / Trent Reznor
Reply-To: schmidt@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell,Phoenix,AZ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.231413.15301@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.165136.20520@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Bruce.K.Johnson@dartmouth.edu (Bruce K. Johnson) writes:
>>Ok, ok so I've just heard a great new album from Machines of Loving
>>Grace that was actually mixed down by Trent Reznor.
>>
>>By the way, this Machines of Loving Grace CD is quite good.
>
>A new MOLG album?  I haven't seen or heard anything about this...details
>please!  (At the very least, what's the title, or are they just using
>"Machines of Loving Grace" for the third time?)
                                    ^^^^^

Third time??  I have the supposedly their first, which includes both the
singles released: _Rite of Shiva_ and _...Jackies Funeral_, of which BTW,
ONLY the single of _Jackies Funeral_ was mixed by Sir Reznor.  He is not
mentioned on the album, from what I've seen and read.

The singles are, IMHO, better than the album with TR on the mix of _JF_ and
an excellent B-side _All I Really Need_ on the _Rite of Shiva_ single.

Peace...                                                               Kreg     

"...cause I can't fit a MF pitbull under my coat, in the small of my back!"
From: phs427y@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: The Cure in Brisbane
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:48:34 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

>Could someone let me know how the show was in Brisbane.  I'm supposed to be
>there but it's a bit far to go for a weekend from Darwin.

I didn't go to Brisbane, but I'm going to see them this Tuesday night :) in
Melbourne so if your interested Lisa... email me

                                 Dave...

PHS427Y@VAXC.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
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From: jeanette@hpmcaa (Jeanette Skelton)
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth Tour Dates?
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:59:06 GMT

Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
> 
> Have any SY tour dates been announced?
> 
Well, yeah -- they played the EndFest in Seattle on August 8th, then
played in Salem Oregon on August 9th, with L7 and the Beastie Boys.


Jeanette
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jcgoh@hop.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:00:36 GMT

In article <14293@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Maxwell@mindlink.bc.ca (John Maxwell)  
writes:
> Cheers to Ben @athena for pointing out that there is something to be said for  
a
> band like Fugazi hanging around to support the indie label.
> 
> Instead of making "Alternative" a moral issue, go do Good Works by supporting
> your local scene! I bet there's a lot of really cool bands that you all love
> that aren't successful enough yet to even consider the question of who they'd
> sign with. It's like Heisenberg's Alternative Principle: You can't know  
whether
> a band is cool or not until they make money.
>                                                 -JMax

So in your opinion bands should retain their integrity and not
"sell out"?  They should stay on an indie forever?  And Fugazi
is the model band and everyone should emulate them?

That's pretty funny.  I pose to you this scenario:  you have a band
and you are offered a deal with a major label.  By contract, they
agree to put out your next two albums and you have complete artistic
control - in other words, you can still make music the way you want
to.  Obviously, you have a chance to make more money.  Would you
say "Well, I don't want to sell out.  I happen to like trying to 
eke out a living day-by-day.  I don't need your money so go away."  
Come on, get realistic.  I find absolutely nothing wrong with a band 
trying to feed themselves. As long as a band doesn't compromise 
themselves artistically, I don't see anything wrong with them being 
on a major.  

Now, there is something to be said about loyalty.  I
do agree that bands often leave their labels behind without 
acknowledging the fact that they wouldn't be where they are without
that label.  Admirably, Helmet forced Interscope to allow 
Amphetamine Reptile to release "Meantime" on vinyl.  But you can't
blame them for signing to Interscope.  A fact a lot of you indie-
heads don't seem to realize is that indies not only don't sell 
that many records, but they often don't pay royalties for what 
they do sell. For instance, Sonic Youth literally got almost nothing for
any of their albums before "Goo".  Like I said, how could you
possibly blame a band for signing to a major after they put out
5 excellent albums and were still dirt poor?  Not to be a rumor
mill, but it's pretty well known that Dutch East/Homestead/SOL/Giant/
Rockville and SST never pay their bands.  Don't we all try to make
as good a living as possible?  So all of you should get off your
high horses and stop being hypocrites.  Stop subjecting bands to
standards which you yourself do not follow.

And as for Fugazi, I think the reason they are still "on" Dischord
has more to do with the fact that Ian OWNS Dischord than a commitment
to staying on a label just because it's independent.

- Justin
jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu                                   
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
From: loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup)
Subject: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:59:05 GMT


Anyone have any more info on this.  What I've heard is that Killing Joke
thinks that Come As You Are sounds awfully like the Eighties.  Apparently
they think Nirvana ripped off their song and only now decided to sue.
What do people think about this?  Do the songs really sound that alike?
From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Keywords: indie net
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:11:29 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Yeah, it's annoying to have to hit 'next' a lot when reading a.m.a., and it's 
too bad so many people don't buy indie records and/or are hung up on two or 
three very well-known bands. There are several disadvantages to a separate 
indie-net that I can think of right away, though:
	1. The existence of a single net for Smiths people and Polvo people 
	means that listeners who don't know about new, underground or 
	obscure bands can start reading the newsgroup for Smiths news and
	gradually get 'turned on to' a wider selection of music. Good 
	examples of this I can think of in the last couple of DAYS are the 
	Altered Images and Teenage Fan Club postings. I haven't been on this
	net for that long but presumably they're not exceptional. And what 
	about bands with an indie track record that sign to majors- would 
	an indie newsgroup be permitted to discuss TFC? Big Dipper? the
	Chills, the Verlaines, Straitjacket Fits? the Wedding Present (on 
	RCA in the UK, the country of original issue)? What if Unrest, as
	is rumored, signs to Atlantic- would Justin Goh or whoever
	prohibit discussion of that band? Also lots of influential 'punk'
	records were on majors in the late 70s-early 80s- Toy Love (pre-Tall 
	Dwarfs) was on WEA-New Zealand for chirssakes. Which brings me to the 
	other point...
	2. All the Smiths people (well maybe not them,but the Joy Division 
	postings at least) produce at least a skeletal sense of history, 
	which is something current indie-heads are seriously lacking, in
	general. I'll probably go into this later if anyone else wants to
	take it up; being constantly reminded of the New Wave doesn't seem
	at all bad to me, though.
	3. Lots of music I hate and consider commercial is or was on indies.
	Chicago-industrial/Wax Trax! stuff, notably. I have the sense that
	an indie-only net would quickly fill up with discussions of itself,
	its purpose, what is and isn't indie, and slags at bands that 
	don't really 'belong' on the net (cf. the discussion of the British
	"indie" charts, which filled up with dance bands, much to the guitar
	purists' dismay). I guess I don't care that much, and I'd surely
	read the indie net a ton, but I'm afraid it might only be an 
	impetus for meta-discussions and navel-gazing, rather than talking
	about the music itself, which is presumably why we're here.

And by the way that Polvo quote is my favorite yet among sign-off lines.

steve burt
c/o ben@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: burger@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schlossberg)
Subject: Re: NEW THREAD: Favourite Cure Song
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231659.16998@bain3.bain.oz.au> carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
>
>	the live version of a forest is the best song EVER ...
>
   The live version of A Forest is also the longest song EVER ...
                                            ^^^^^^^

  ...I mean, we can only take so much ofobert Smith repeating the same
      guitar parts over and over before illness sets in.

  Scott

-- 
Scott Schlossberg takes his leave of you. | "The surest sign of life on other
Drop a line at burger@leland.stanford.edu | planets is that it hasn't tried to
The Texas Rangers will dethrone the Twins!| contact us yet" -- Calvin
The New York Giants will be back in 1992!!| -- from Calvin & Hobbes
From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: what is SHONEN KNIFE
Summary: what is SHONEN KNIFE?
Keywords: SHONEN KNIFE
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <scrotch.713724758@milton>, scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre) writes...
>Anybody know anything about this band from japan called Shonen Knife?

>What do they sound like, for instance?

Imagine a bunch of Japanese teenage females that decided to play Ramones music
with their own Jonathan Richman-esque lyrics.  Include many mispronunciations
of English.  Some find them amazingly cute, others find them chalkboard-grating
annoying.  Here's an example:

From "Twist Barbie":

Brue eyes,
Brond hair,
Tight body,
Rong regs
She's glamalus ("glamorous")
She's welcomed by boys

Oooohooohooh

Bang bang bang Twist Barbie
I wanna be Twist Barbie


******************************************************************************
Mike Cluff				*      I'm the person that	
v22964qs@ubvms or mike%luick@ubvms	*      the president
UB Language Perception Laboratory	*      warned you about.    
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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:43:16 GMT

conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>2. Someone said that distribution is necessary for independent labels, and
>hence the need for major distribution companies...well, what about mail 
>order? i know some labels sell there stuff this way (RRR, Dischord, SST)...

What about us poor folks w/o credit cards? :)

>3. For me (and this is something i haven't seen here, hope i didn't miss
>it), the BAD thing about major labels is that they are, or are owned (i'm
>not sure what the difference is) by HUGE CORPORATIONS, which have the sole
>reasone for existence of making PROFIT...PROFIT is something i am   
>specifically against, and hence i do not wish to increase theirs'...
>so, in this argument, it is not that the major label music is bad music, per
>se, but simply that the purchasing (and therefore the encouragement to
>purchase) is bad...
>...HOWEVER, i purchase virtually all of my recorded music USED, and
>in purchasing a USED major label product, one is certainly benefiting the
>label far less than if it were purchased new...

You're just giving someone else the "profit".  Maybe a large chain store.
Most companies (small labels included) exist for the purpose of making
a profit, I would say - if a company *didn't* then it wouldn't be a company
very long!

[more stuff deleted]

>5. Some people have attacked the validity of the statement 'major label
>music is bad' using the argument that they could not see why simply being
>on the major label would make it bad, etc.  I think that for me, and i
>have made the above statement many times, the reason is either for #3
>above, or from a simple empirical analysis: of the vast amount of major 
>label music that i have been exposed to, i have enjoyed/seen value in a
>miniscule portion, certainly a much smaller than the fraction of independent
>label music i've heard...thus, the statement is a generalization based on 
>large quantities of data, just as i say 'large corporations are bad'...

Well, if you're prejudiced against major labels already, certanly you're
going to think that their music is "bad".  I like stuff from major labels
and independants ... if it sounds good I don't give a rip who distributes
it!

As for the 'large corporations are bad' ... well, all things considered you're
posting on a service that wouldn't be possible w/o large organizations ... :)

-- 
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From: U37426@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: THE MEAT PUPPETS
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Does anybody out there know anything about what the Meat Puppets are
up to.  New album?  New tour?  Does anybody out there even know who they
are??  If any one knows anything please e mail me direct.  Any information
will be most welcome.  Thanks.




gota go, the cat is stuck in the printer
From: mmario@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.mario)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Music stores around DC
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:45:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I occasionally get down to the DC area and will be there in a few weeks.
Are there any pointers to good music stores in DC and the surrounding
area.

I am interested in indie releases and imports.  Domestic stuff is best
purchased from Noteworthy.

I think I like the suggestion posted the past week to have listings for
different cities with lots of good info.  I do this to some extent for
the places I go, unfortunately my lists are feeble compared to the
Toronto example.

--mike
mario@moss.att.com
From: cjg@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Chris George)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:12:03 GMT
Organization: Mr T. Fan Club

Congratulations. You are really alternative. Good thing you're on top
of who is on what label. *I* wouldn't be caught dead listening to a major
label group either. Who cares if the band is putting out incredible music.
They are on a major label so they are shit in my book.

OK. Serious now. You fucking looooosers can wank off. If you listen to the
music because no one else does, then you are listening for the wrong reason.
Music is sound. You are using your eyes. Not your ears. You are looking at
frivolous exteriors. Who cares about the packaging. The product is what counts.
And the product we are speaking of here is music. Good music. And unfortunately
we live in a society that enjoys labels. One of the labels today happens to
be alternative music. If you choose to take the word alternative literally,
then I understand your complaints. But as I said, it's just a label. A word.
One word. Why get upset over a word. Why not just be happy with the music??
And if the public is waking up and realizing what good music really is and what
it can do, then more power to those who help to make that happen. 

I am in a band. We are struggling very hard to survive. I am sure there are 
many others out there just like us. I have no problem with putting out a 
record and making some money. And if other people can listen to my music and
enjoy it, then I am happy and they are happy.  I dont know if there are any
musicians out there who would object to making money. With more money, we
could get better equipment. We could make better recordings. We could 
continue to make music. And that's what counts, right?

Sooooo....take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your hole.

-cjg
From: chappy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Doug R. Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Seattle down our throats?
Date: 12 Aug 1992 14:58:27 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner) writes:



>Perhaps you've heard of a movie that will soon be coming out.  It's
>called "Singles."  The soundtrack is already available in record stores, and
>I happen to like it alot.

>    Apparently, the movie takes place in Seattle; all the music on the 
>soundtrack is from that city.  

>    At first I thought, "Wonderful, they've found a way to make even more money
>off this Seattle craze by making a Seattle movie.  Just what we need."

From what little I have heard this movie is more about single pelople (hence
the title "Singles") than it is about the seattle music scene.

>    This is all conjecture, you understand.  I don't really believe it.  Most
>likely I have my timing wrong.  Maybe "Singles" was started long after 
>Seattle became popular, and I just didn't realize it.

The Seattle music scene has been around for quite a few years.  The rest of the
world is just now starting to notice it.  Bands like Mudhoney and Mother love
Bone have been around for a few years now.

>    Any thoughts about this, though?  Perhaps the conspiracy theorists among
>you will like the idea.  


>						--Dave Eisner
>						  cradle@wam.umd.edu

I dont think that there is any conspiracy involved.  As someone else mentioned
the director also directed Say Anyting which was in Seattle.  I think that he
set it in Seattle because he likes the area.  As I mentioned I don't think it
is really about the Seattle music Scene at all, or at least that is not the
major focus of the Plot.  If you will notice in Paul Westerburgs video to 
Dislexic heart you see something about "A movie about love".

-- 
Doug Chapman
KSDB 91.9 Manhattan, KS.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Wanted: _Hard Attack_
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:10:11 GMT

I'm willing to pay lots of cold cash for a copy of the
1977 England-only  release of MX80 Sound's _Hard
Attack_ LP on Island records.

Check your records stacks, particularly you British folks.
Don't bother listening to it if you find it, because it isn't
very good.  Just sell it to me. (ahem)

charlie fulton
From: cwvst+@pitt.edu (Charles W Van Keuren)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: early Dead Milkmen
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:52:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug8.115324.24525@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders) writes:
>In article <4432@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
>cwvst+@pitt.edu (Charles W Van Keuren) writes:
>
>>    2.  Does anyone have copies of their first two, pre-label cassettes?
>> 
>
>Pre- _Big Lizard_?  Information about this would be appreciated... 
>If you have them I would love to work out a trade.  
>Please post or mail me.  
>

Yep.  As far as I know, the Dead Milkmen released two cassettes prior to      
signing to a label.  Please keep in mind that the term "released" is used
quite loosely hear.  They were on their own "label" (I believe it was called
Surfin' Cow or Flaming Cow records, Ithink...).  What it probably was, was
this:  they recorded themselves in a basement on a 4 four-track or just a 
regular ol' tape recorder and then dubbed it X amount of times.  That's how
lots o' groups get started.  I'm curious as to what tunes were on these
tapes.  Or if anyone (dare to dream) actually has a copy.  

I got this info from a bio sheet they mailed out to radio stations.  I'll
see if I can dig it up...

-Peace, Goddamit,
 chuck

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: tubefuzz@milton.u.washington.edu (Lee Burns)
Subject: Re: End Fest review?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:04:07 GMT

Well, Let's see ....

Sarah McLaughlin (not sure of the spelling): missed her set.

Toad The Wet Sprocket:  Their set was really short (about 28 minutes).
     The lead singer's voice was a bit weak from touring so much. But
      overall they were good.

The Posies:   This was the first Posies I have seen since their lineup
     changes.  They were alot heavier than before ... no more mellow
     acoustic stuff.

The Charlatans UK : Great set!  Technically and stylistically they were
     really good.  See them if you get a chance4!

L7: Stole the show!!!!  Probably the best act of the day.

Mudhoney:  The usual .... pretty good.

Sonic Youth:  An OK show. The lead guitar mostly rolled around the stage floor
     for about 45 minutes, and broke lots of equipment.

Beastie Boy's:  I'm not much into rap, but there show was alright.  I really
     liked their instrumental numbers ( I really don't like the pre-recorded
     stuff.)

Well, that's my 2 cents worth.

Lee Burns
InControl, Inc.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: umdenbo0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David A. Denboer)
Subject: the the
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:32:13 GMT

Anyone get ahold of a new the the single yet?
The album is due within a month, and I havent heard a single yet!

Speaking of which...Has anyone heard any new stuff by Peter Gabriel?
The new album is due in 4 weeks, but I have yet to see a single as well.

Two of my favorite recording artists in one month...musical heaven...

-- 
David A. denBoer
Musi Computer Products
umdenbo0@ccu.umanitoba.ca
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