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From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ca.wanted,ba.general,misc.misc,rec.pets
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:35:19 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan21.185514.23301@inel.gov>, kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
> 
> Some people really make me sick.  My mom said her old vet was
> examining some woman's cats one time and the woman mentioned
> that she had had a cat put to sleep one time.  The vet asked
> why, and this woman said the cat kept going into heat and
> was irritating.  The vet asked why this person didn't get
> her cat fixed, and the woman said she never thought of it.
> 
> And people wonder why I give my money to animal charities...
> 
> 
It's true that some people are scummy, but we don't always
know the whole story. The poodle people (and maybe even this
woman) may have had another situation they just weren't up to
explaining.

A close friend of mine took her 12 year old, ailing dog to her vet.
The dog was blind (and becoming cranky as a result), and was ill
with a variety of serious problems. The quality of his life was
deterioriating and he was loaded with arthritis.
My friend explained to the vet that she wanted the dog put down,
it was time, and she wasn't able to deal with the care requirements
any longer.
The vet absolutely spazzed and castigated her with comments about
the availability of medical options, the number of years of good
times the dog had given her, 'and now you're tired or
bored and you just want to dump the dog'...etc etc.
What my friend wasn't able to bring herself to explain (in between 
insults) was that her husband was dying and between the two she just
couldn't handle it. She had to be at the hospital all day&night, and there
just wasn't anyone to step in. As the dog was in increasing pain, it
seemed the right time to do this.

Now maybe this is unusual, and the poodle people (and others) aren't
in such a dificult situation...or maybe you agree with the vet.
But dealing with overwhelming personal crisis can make you face up
to hard decisions which you don't always feel capable of exploring with
complete strangers. Unless I know better, I'd like to give people
the benefit of the doubt. I have to say that anyone who would
want a dog put gently to sleep rather than have to adjust to
the confusion of a new home and new people after 5 years, and who would
go to the trouble of grooming the dog beforehand, probably
love their animal. It may be a little odd, but we each approach things
in our own way.

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: choke chain opinions
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1993Jan22.174441.28099@ncsu.edu>, David F. Austin <David_Austin@ncsu.edu> writes:
> The following may be of interest to readers of this thread:
> 
> ON CHOKE COLLARS:
>       There appears to be a sharp conflict between Michael W. Fox's view 
> (in Superdog, Howell,1990) on the use of choke collars in dog training 
> and the view of the Monks of New Skete (in The Art of Raising a 
> Puppy, Little Brown, 1991).  Here's what they have to say in their 
> books:

(deleted)

>  
> Since I was taught to use a metal choke collar in training, I was 
> concerned by this apparent conflict and decided to write to Fox and the 
> Monks, and to discuss the matter with our vet.  Here are the responses I 
> got.  First, Fox's reply:
>  
(deleted)
>  
> And here is the Monks' reply:

(deleted)

>  
>  
> When I discussed this material with our vets, Drs. D and T, I also asked 
> them these two questions:  Have there been any studies of the physical 
> effects of long-term use by skilled individuals of choke collars?  Is
> there 
> any evidence of cumulative choke-collar 'micro-damage', resulting 
> eventually in more serious injury to the dog?  Dr. D said that he and Dr. 
> T agreed with the Monks, and that they had no knowledge, from either 
> their own experience or any studies, of cumulative damage; indeed, 
> neither of them had seen more than a couple of choke collar injuries in 
> all the thousands of dogs they've examined.


David:

I just wanted to thank you for taking the time and trouble to
look into this, consult the authorities directly, and share
their explanations with us.  I have always used the Monks'
training methods and have been very happy, but this debate
makes for interesting reading!

Holly

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: knyal@ils.nwu.edu (Jarrett Knyal)
Subject: Min Pins: What should I know?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:45:27 GMT

I just got a call from the breeder I deal with who informed me that my future
Miniature Pincher has been born!  These dogs are tiny!  I'm not sure which one
I want yet obviously but all of them (3 girls and a boy) came in at under 4
ounces.  
     Basically I just want to start a dialog with any interested Min Pin
owners.  Are there any particular considerations when dealing with this breed?
(I hear they are hard to housebreak and they get cold easy.)  Hope to hear from
you.
From: 2hwbtalk@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Hitting
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:33:28 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Anyone that "hits" an animal is an animal.  The dogs I have had over the years
were never hit or had their nose rubbed in anything.  Using the word "no"
firmly (BUT NOT SCREAMING) has ALWAYS worked in the past even for
Trouble-maker type dogs.
From: kiesler+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sara B. Kiesler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Older dog training
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:40:49 GMT
	<1993Jan25.163336.15406@radian.uucp>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Social and Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Here is a technique that I've used successfully for training older dogs
to come when they are off the leash.  At the outset,if you adopt a
stray, don't try this until you have developed trust with the dog and
he/she has had some training on leash.

  When you find a food snack that the dog is most crazy about (e.g.,
cheese) then ONLY give your dog that snack when he/she comes to your
command and is off leash.  Once your dog gets the idea that this
incredible treat follows coming when called with  "cheese!" (or
whatever) off the leash, and does in fact come reliably, then start
leaving off the cheese once in a while and substituting ecstatic petting
and exclamations of "good dog!"  Your goal is to have the treat 
come randomly when your dog comes if off the leash, so he/she never unlearns
the training just because you forgot your treat.

Cheers, Sara
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: pre-owned greyhounds
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:08:09 GMT



  My wife, 5 year old stepson and I are considering getting a dog. I
have lots of canine experience (while growing up my family always had at
least one dog - dalmations, danes, mutts etc). She has had a golden
retriever - not as much canine experience but she likes dogs - BUT she
has some allergies,its her call and her idea and she wants to try. She
loved the dog and having the dog even if it made her sneeze. 
I am less then enthusiastic about getting a dog because
for two days a week the dog will have to be cooped up in the house. I
don't respond well to bladder pressure and I don't expect a dog to
either but my wife says people have told her its not so bad.  When I
grew up we had a big family with someone always home so dogs *didn't*
get left alone. 

  BTAIM my wife is interested in used greyhounds - dogs retired from
the track. She has heard that they are easy to carefore, even tempered
in need of a home, and less likely to provoke her allergies but that
is a concern.  Any comments
warnings or advice?

                                     Jerry Freedman,Jr


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: fencing (chain link)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:47:43 GMT

Please check around other fence stores!  We are EXTREMELY
fortunate to have a really good one near us.

We already had stockade fence around 3 sides of the yard and
wanted chain link down the last side (we LIKE that neighbor!)

My husband and neighbor went to the fence store, got some
advice, was shown how chain link is "woven" together, and bought
the chain link (comes in 50 foot rolls), posts, top rail with
little round things that go on top of the posts, the gate (that
is expensive) and about 15 minutes of instruction on what to
do with it all.  It wasn't the most dreadful job they ever did
and it was up in a weekend.  Thing that took the most time was
waiting for the cement to set under the corner posts.

They did need to fasten the end of the fence to a truck to stretch
it out as they tied it to the posts - that was the tricky part.

So, 120 feet, plus gate, was about $500.  (this is four foot, green
plastic coated, chain link, with a wide double gate.)  Installation
price was a pot of coffee, 4 hot dogs and a 6-pack!

MIND YOU, it's not the straightest fence in the world, but we were
doing stupid stuff like "oh, this is your tree, and that is our azalea..."



p.s. for anyone in Monmouth County NJ - it's the Hurricane Fence Co.,
					Rt. 35 in Middletown

	they have nice "home made" dog houses, too! (big enough for a Newf!)

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mommaerts@medgen.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: Kisses (was Re: do you french your dog?
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 28 JAN 93 18:14:19 CST

In a previous article, ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca wrote:
>In article <laird.727751999@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>, laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>> Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
>> how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
>> hard to avoid the tongue.
> 
>Nikita, our Siberian Husky, is a weird one.
> 
>We've recently (she's six) taught her to "give kisses" (on the 
>cheek :-). I'm the alpha  in the family (relative to the dog)... 
>and if I ask her for kisses, Nikita creates a fuss, big time. If 
>Kelly (my S.O.) is in the room, Nikita will whine at me, then run 
>over to Kel and give her lots of  kisses. There must be something 
>about giving free kisses to the 'alpha' dog.

I have a 6 month old Samoyed, my Fiance (male) is pretty much the Alpha in
our family and our dog kisses him all the time.  He also kisses me. I think
it is a sign of hello-- Don't dogs kind of head-butt each other when they
meet ("friend"-ish dogs, that is)  and kiss each other?  That is why dogs
so often want to jump up on the humans when they walk in the door- its a 
greeting-- I think too it is kind of a sign of submission-- or they like
what you just ate for dinner!  I also heard that dogs have the cleanest mouths
around.  Personally.. I like it. Call me KOOKY!!

Sandi
From: trish_r@mind.ORG (Trish Rucker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Small Dogs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 04:37:44 -0500
Organization: Fortress Development HQ

I'm just beginning to research small dogs ... I'm interested in finding a 
good breed with the following traits:
relatively easy to train
adapts well to being a house dog
gentle and even-tempered
 
Breeds that appeal to me include
Schipperkes
Corgis
Dachshunds
Beagles
 
I would particularly like to hear from any dog people who own one of the 
previously mentioned breeds!
 
If you'd like to write back via Internet, my regular address is:
 
trish.rucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Re: Bullmastiffs
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:25:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.025541.13143@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  writes:
>Anyone out there have a bullmastiff or a mastiff?  They are my favorite
>dogs in the world.  When I used to walk with Peggy (bullmastiff) people
>would walk a wide circle around us.  We also heard people say how ugly she
>was, but I think they are gorgeous dogs with incredibly expressive faces.
>And in spite of what a lot of people expect, I've found them to be some of
>the sweetest, gentlest beasties around.  Too bad they don't live longer.
>
>Renee

I have an 20 month old dark brindle bullmastiff male that's 174 lbs.  

Everything you hear about them being "agressivly affectionate" is true.
Our boy follows his (human) mom around like Daisy Bumstead follows Dagwood. 
He knows to limit his movement when our 4-6 year old nephews visit. They hug
him and chase him and he never moves in a way to push them. He won't go to
bed until after he's given the whole family good might kisses (more like a
tongue bath).  We had two dogs already when we got him as a puppy and
they missed the chance to kill him while he was 12lbs so they have to put
up with him now as he licks them from head to tail.

He is very sensitive to verbal reprimands.  He will go and lay in his crate
when he's told he's been bad.  He has his own blanket and pillow he usually
sleeps on. Or he climbs in bed between us and pretends he is asleep on our
pillow.

He is NOT ugly. They are magnificent animals.  I suppose it's a matter of
taste as we're used to looking at our bulldog who has a crooked jaw and
runny eyes and nose.  

Our main disappointment is that he has not yet turned into a real watchdog,
which is one of reasons we got him.  He's happy to let his black lab sister
do all the barking while he runs to see who's there.  His (bullmastiff) father
is a good barker and actually cornered a burglar so I expect that he'll grow
into it later.  He should take over after the lab gives up the job.

Like most dogs line the mastiff line they are thick blooded.  He hasn't
needed a lot of running exercise to stay fit.  And they don't live much
longer than 10-12 years.  Our bulldog is 12 and only alive because she
has the bullmastiff to argue with.

My wife wants a second bullmastiff.  I don't plan on getting a pickup 
just to haul dog food so we'll get another bulldog when ours passes on.



-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mike Andrews                                   VideOcart, Inc.
mandrews@hq.videocart.com                      Chicago, IL USA 
=-=- Madonna:  Andy Warhol called. Your 15 minutes are up.-=-=
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Subject: Dogs at Work?
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:14:03 GMT

I'm interested to find out how many people take their dogs to work with
them.  I've been reading the group for some time now and every now and then
there is a reference to someone "having their dog lying at their feet while
keying on the keyboard".  Now, are you  at home using the modem or at work?

I want to start to bring my dog to work because I want him to become used
to people and different places.  We are beginning Pet Therapy work
(volunteering) and the hospital I am going to is in the opposite direction
of my home from work.   My dog is very obedient and will lay at my feet all
day (he's a lab).

I would be interested in such info as the following?

Where do you work (private corp., college, etc.)?
What do you do for a living?
Do you have your own office, share one, have a cubicle, etc.?
Where do you keep your dog at work?
Is the dog crated or can roam?
Do you work normal business hours (i.e., 9:00-5:00, M-F)? If not, when do
you work?
Did you have to get special permission to have your dog at work?  If so,
what kind of permission?  What justification did you have to give to have
your dog at work?
Is your dog involved in any special programs that justifys having him/her
at work?

I appreciate your time and interest in this mini survey and will gladly
post a summary.

Thanks,

Karen

P.S.  I'll start off.  I work at a private college (for the Computing
Center).  The college is located on 320 acres (plenty of land to romp
around on at lunch time).  I'm a Service Repair Manager.  I have my own
office located ajacent to my workshop.  If I'm allowed to have my dog at
work, on a permanent basis,  I would keep him in my office and put a gate
at my door.  He would have full access to my office and I would bring his
dog bed to work.  We don't have a crate.  I work basically 8:30-4:30
usually.  These are the college's business hours.  I have brought my dogs
to work when they have gone to the vet.  I moved away and didn't want to
change vets and my vet is 50min from where I live and only 5 min. from
where I work.  No one complained when I had my dogs here for vet visits. 
I'm not sure what the policy is here for pets in buildings.  I don't think
that there is one.  I know that there is a state law in PA regarding
discriminating against people who have seeing eye dogs, service dogs, etc
in public places.  This is not the case for me, though.  The college I work
for takes pride in the amount of community work that the students here do
(very politically active).  Why not for the staff that participate?  I
would hope that they would be accomodating!

I would like to see how many other companies that will allow animals in the
work place.  Thanks for your help.

__________________________________________

Karen V. Roop
Swarthmore College Computing Center
roop@cc.swarthmore.edu
215-328-8595
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:27:54 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: davids@gardener.lanl.gov's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:12:32 GMTLines: 16

In <1993Jan22.211232.5361@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov writes:

> In article <21JAN93.14962634.0027@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, CS#0@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CS#0) writes:
> |> Two of my Goldens LOVE to take tissues from the bathroom trash
> |> and shred them into little pieces (all over the house!) and
> 
> I believe that tissue is another of the Universal Treats(tm) that all
> dogs *LOVE*.  Mr. McDuff does the same thing, and no amount of correction
> [...]
> ... if you do find the solution, please let me know!

Use cloth handkerchiefs.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: flooring materials
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:03:39 GMT

In <9301230856.AA2245@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>   I wouldn't do anything special to the floor.  Just be sure they
>have a nice soft bed to snooze on.  They'll run around a bit, romp,
>get a snack, then head back to bed.  My dog sleeps on two old folded
>blankets that she re-arranges to suit herself.  This is in the house
>though.  For a cement floor, I'd start with a plywood box with maybe
>six inch walls.  Put the bedding material into the box.

The only thing is, cement floors can be hard on young developing
joints or old creaky ones.  Seems like at least a rubber mat to
provide better traction is in order.  Then the bed/towels to sleep
in and the dog will be just fine.

--CIndy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

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From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Older dog training
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:17:00 GMT
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  Most of us would like to have a dog that performed off a leash. Only
a few lucky people do, however.
  It has less to do with the age of the dog than with it's
temperament.  If your dog happens to be very independent minded, it is
unlikely that he can ever be trusted off leash.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:13:15 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

In article <C1814A.CA3@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews) writes:
>My 12 year old English Bulldog, Bertha D. will not let you near her
>toes with a clipper. Her defense is unique: She hides all four paws
>under her body and looks at you as if to say, "You must be mistaken.
>I never had any paws, much less nails to clip."
>
>When the vet clips her nails I envelop her body with my arms and hold
>one paw out at a time for the clippers.  It ends up being a wrestling
>match worthy of the Olympics. Bulldogs are STRONG!, not to mention
>stubborn.

My German Shepard Trixie also has a MAJOR fear of touching her nails
for clipping or the vet touching her ears. Poor girl! It is truly
a struggle to keep a 110 lb German Shepard in line during a clip!

To make things worse, she has always had a problem with fungus
in her nails :-(.
`

anne


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: fencing
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:50:46 GMT

dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff) writes:
>Hi all!

>I am planning to fence in my back yard with chain link fence.
>I've been calling some local fencing places for price estimates.
>During my last call, I was told there were "thousands" of types
>of chain link.  I asked him if he could recommend a type to
> [stuff deleted]
>Does anyone have any specific recommendations for types of chain 
>link to use?  Does this fused vinyl sound like the best bet?
>Or is there a book or faq list which covers this topic?
>I have time to do my homework before I need the fence, so
>I'm going to do try to learn more about this.

>If you have suggestions, please post or email to me at
>   dorff@ma30.bull.com

>Thanks for your help!  Sorry if this has already been discussed
>on the net.

>(By the way, I will need 170' of fence with 2 3' gates.
> The fence will probably have to be 5' tall).

>-Lauri

When I moved into my first house I needed about 170' of fencing (luckily
my neighbors on two sides already had chainlink up; I just needed to do
the back and from the sides of my house to the neighbors' fences plus
2 gates).  I had a *BIG* yard.  I did no research.  I went to Home Depot
(very large home center) and bought 4 50-rolls of aluminum alloy 5'
chainlink fence, the gates, posts and ties, threw them into my pickup
truck and went home.  I borrowed a friend's come-along which I used
to stretch the fence and in two weekends (plus one weekday evening) the
fence was up.  That included digging the post holes and cementin in the
posts.  I did it myself and it held up very well.  And Raven LOVED having
a nice big yard to play in.  I don't think you have to worry too much
about chewing.  Give your puppy lots of toys and he'll have no reason to
chew on the fence.  Digging, however, may be a different story :-).  

Shari Bernhard
(Raven's Mom)
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: AKC info
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:50:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I am trying to get in touch with a chapter of the AKC.
I live in the Philadelphia area but cannot find
any listings for the AKC in the 215 area code.

I am looking for breeders of Gordon Setters.
Can anyone help me?

Thanks
Diane
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs