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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: How are the Wolves doing (besides poorly)?
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:58:38 GMT

In article <jvessey.728031282@husc.harvard.edu> jvessey@husc10.harvard.edu (Jonathan Vessey) writes:
>I know the Timberwolves are horrible. As a Minnesotan going to school in Boston
>and an avid hoops fan, I follow them only because they're my 'home' team and
>because, to be honest, the Celts are so inconsistent and screwy (Douglas, Fox,
>Alaa, etc. make me thing the C's need a team shrink) that it'd be hard to
>really cheer for 'em. My question, then, is how are the Wolves playing? I know
>they're not winning too many (latest update I saw had them losing to Denver.
>Argh. Thought we had a chance there), but are they looking any better under
>Lowe? Are the ego-clashs that had been going on over the holidays still there?
>
>Any info would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks!
>Jon

Well, as a T'Wolves fan in Minnesota, I'd have to say you aren't missing a whole
lot.  Sidney Lowe is now 1-5 as head coach after last night's 102-97 loss at
Denver.  The only non-Maverick teams the Wolves have beaten are Denver, Detroit,
Washington, and New Jersey.  They've beaten the Mavs three times, though.

Laettner is having a good season, but there is a lot of criticism about his 
attitude and desire.  He had a rough night last night, though, with only 5 point
His rebounding has improved, and he's averaging around ten a game.  Person has
gotten the scoring touch back with 29 last night, but he makes bad decisions 
concerning when to shoot and when to pass.  He had eight turnovers in the first
period last night.  West is becoming a star for the Wolves, and is the Wolves 
top scorer (at least last time I checked he was) with almost 20 a game.

The Wolves #1 problem is depth.  They don't have any after Thurl Bailey, and 
maybe Bob McCann.  Lance Blanks, Brad Sellers, and Gundars Vetra just aren't the
answer, so look for the Wolves in the draft to go get some depth, either at the
guard positions or at power forward.  I'd also look for either Longley or Big
Felton to be traded before the deadline to a playoff bound team in need of a 
big body (that's about all they'd get, too).  If he comes out, and the Wolves
get a top pick in the lotto, I'd expect them to take Anfernee Hardaway, a scorer
who can play either guard position, and can get the crowd into the game.  I was
at the Wolves-Celts game, and until Person hit the 3 at the halftime buzzer, you
could hear a pin drop in the Target Center.  I tried my best, but no one else
in the crowd got into the game.

Well, if you need any more Wolves info, I'll post box scores and team stats.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

WOLVES FAN AND PROUD


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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:07:57 GMT

In article <1k3qj1INNi9j@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
> INTER-DIVISIONAL RECORDS:
>                      Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
> Pacific (107-61)     ----      25-24     30-18     52-19     
> Central (92-87)      24-25     ----      49-41     19-21     
> Atlantic (78-94)     18-30     41-49     ----      19-15     
> Midwest (55-90)      19-52     21-19     15-19     ----      
>
>
>These stats seem to bear out the notion that the Pacific records are indeed
>inflated by being able to play the weak Midwest.

The weak Midwest.  That conference that has beaten the Central
division in head-to-head compitition.  Look at these those numbers
again before you jump to conclusions.  In fact, the Central has a
loosing record to both divisions in the West - I guess they benefit
from playing the Atlantic teams all the time, right?

Again, it's hard to make huge generalizations when the season is only
half over - who has played whom makes a lot of difference and that
might explain some of these wierd numbers.
--
Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker thoughts
Date: 29 Jan 1993 00:08:01 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
NNTP-Posting-Host: pagoda.aero.org

In article <1k9o1iINNcb3@shelley.u.washington.edu> shaq@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster) writes:
|You're right, Laker's aren't going anywhere.
|
|What they need is a big body inside, like....Benoit Benjamin!!!
|Benjamin for Vlade is a good trade.
|
|Benjamin would fit the Laker's style...

Yeah, right. A blatant attempt by a Supersonic goon to unload their
deadwood for ours. I think I'd rather stay with Vlade than see
Benoit 'Braindead' Benjamin in a Laker uniform.

			R.S.


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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor: B.Benjamin/K.McHale
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:20:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.010516.6375@eskimo.com> gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner) writes:
>The above trade rumor has been on the radio in Seattle today, apparently
>started by somebody at NBC.  Anybody from Boston heard anything about this?
>
>Gregory Sumner  *  gregs@eskimo.com

when asked about on local TV here, Kevin said something like "Yeah...and
Elvis was seen in Michigan yesterday."  in later TV spot he said there
was no truth to that rumor.  he did not, however, rule out the Elvis
sighting.

- nate
From: neuharth@shelley.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE sea34por34.17jan93 Portland 109 Seattle 97
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan20.213441.1926@tc.fluke.COM> mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel) writes:
>In <{y#@byu.edu> jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>
>>This second T on Kersey was a terrible call!  Kersey and Kemp hustled down
>
>Being a Sonics fan even I have to agree on this one. I thought that there
>might have been a foul on the original reach-in by Kersey, but he didn't
>intentionally drop Kemp to the floor. I don't think that the game could
>have been more poorly officiated. Call the real fouls instead of constantly
>calling make-up fouls!
>-- 

You're right on...It should have been a foul on Kersey, but the technical
was garbage...But, what to do?  Actually, the ejection seemed to spark the
Blazers, and I think they went on a run after that...Anyone know the score
at that point in the game?

-John

neuharth@u.washington.edu



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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: the Horse of Course
Keywords: issel nuggets
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:26:49 GMT


Nice job there by grubin on the Nugg-puppies box score and
leadin.  But now it's time for an edition of:
	"the Horse of Course - Nuggets coach speaks"

Dan was asked about the teams confidence after going 5-5 over
the last 10 games, he said he feels like they have that
feeling that they can beat anyone if they play hard.  Much
like the beginning of the season before the 14game slide.

On CJ in the dunk-contest:  I've seen him to amazing things
in practive dunking the ball.  Everyone will be surprised.
If i was making the line in vegas, I'd have Kemp as the favorite
with CJ right behind him.  It'll be fun I promise.

on the bulls game in denver sunday:  Hey, I'm calling up
Doug (coach for 76ers) and getting ideas on how they beat them.
Then I'm calling Allan (bristow of hornets) and seeing what he
did, for sure!  I'm not joking.

on getting techincals:  yeah, a couple times I got technicals
on purpose to fire the team up.  The game against the lakers we
were just walking around ho-hum - so yeah I got tossed.  We
played good for the next 1min30, so hey: it cost me $250 for
90 seconds of good basketball, but hey.
I learned to get technicals from Doug, he knew when to get em.


other notes:  I can't wait till Stith gets back.  more toughness
and defense can't hurt this backcourt.  Unfortunately, Liberty
is still the most confused person on the court at times, although
Hastings is the one always looking confused, he's not.  :-)
here's hopin for more .500 basketball until the end of the month...

::j
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Manning/Laettner Trade Rumours
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:19:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan21.072802.23445@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.051024.1463@cis.uab.edu> beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.041101.16630@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>

All statistical arguments deleted.

>season that quite commonly leads to future all-star appearances.
>And as I also mentioned, it will take several years before we know
>who is going to have the better overall NBA career: could be Manning,
>could be Laettner.
>     But as for this season:  I've watched Danny Manning play.  I know 
>Danny Manning's abilities.  Danny Manning is a favorite player of mine. 
>Mr. Laettner, you're no Danny Manning. 

I don't get it.  You say you don't follow college hoops that closely, and
clearly, you have virtually no chance to watch Laettner play this year because
no one shows the TWolves (with good reason).  Yet you make this sweeping
statement about Laettner as your conclusion.  It doesn't make any sense.
I mean, you certainly can make this sweeping statement, but it doesn't seem to
be anything beyond your personal opinion, and to ground it in statistics where
the only significant edge Manning has is scoring 3ppg. more per game, I don't
see it.  

-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
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From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.)
Subject: Re: SLAM and 3-pt
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:48:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.220724.2376@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <C180tM.L5K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>>In today's USA Today, the three-point shooters are Drazen Petrovic, Mark
>>>Price, Chris Mullin, Dana Barros, Craig Hodges, Kenny Smith, Dennis
>>>Scott, and BJ Armstrong.
>>
>>	Surprising they didn't invite Michael Adams (the most prolific
>>	bomber in NBA history) or Trent Tucker (Hodges' successor in
>>	Chicago).  Kenny Smith and BJ Armstrong?
>

Anyone know why not Dell Curry, who, as of the Charlotte-Houston game,
is now the all time NBA 3-pt. leader?

John Coryell.


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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Slam-dunk roster correction
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:38:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203105.4287@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> I listed the competitors
for the All-Star Slam-dunk competition:

>Cedric Ceballos (defending champion)
>Shawn Kemp
>Sean Elliot
>Chris Jackson

Also on the list should be David Benoit, Robert Horry, and Harold Miner.  My
apologies, they were omitted in the article in the Orlando Sentinel.

>(hmm, all from the Western conference)

Well, at least there is one representative from the East.

Tom@Orlando
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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Subject: Jackson and Christie
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:12:20 GMT

There has been a lot of talk in this forum about the two 1st-round draft
picks that are hold-ouuts: Dough Christie and Jimmy Jackson. So far, it
looks as if neither will end up signing with the teams that drafted them,
and trade rumors have all proved to be simply rumors, and even they have
died down. What I'd like to know from some afficiando, is if there are
recent examples of holdouts this late in the season, and what became of
them. Plus, how long will Dallas and Seattle have tot rade them before they
reenter the draft (as they both plan on doing). Someone told me that they
could be traded right up to draft day. Is that true? I'm interested to see
what happens, as Jimmy is on my fantasy team, and Seattle is my home town.
Seattle has done a lot of draft-day dealing, and I'm excited about the
prospect of another one.

-Brian Harper


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From: cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar)
Subject: Re: Minkoff Player Rankings
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: NSWCDD
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:52:19 GMT

In article <43789@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
wrote:
> One of the more surpising results is in the center position in the
> East, where the ranking is: Daugherty, Ewing, O'Neal.  O'Neal #3?
> His 4.1 turnovers/game are killing him.

No surprise here!  Daugherty is the best center (from a team player point
of view) in the league.  He makes everyone better, and can take over the
game if need be.  Anyone who thinks he's "soft" has not been watching!! 
Ewing can't shoot (45% on a good day), and Shaq is still a rookie.

> MPR All-stars:
> 
> East:
> starters: M. Jordan, M. Price, B. Daugherty, D. Schrempf, L. Johnson
> bench: S. Pippen, D. Coleman, P. Ewing, J. Hornacek, K. Anderson,
> 	D. Brown, R. Lewis
> 
> 1.	jordan,michael
> 4.	price,mark
> 11.	nance,larry
> 12.	daugherty,brad
> 17.	pippen,scottie

How about that starting all-star line up?  Why isn't Nance on the allstar
team?


John R Cogar                 | Always expect the worst.
cogar@mv5.nswc.navy.mil      | That way you won't be disappointed.
                             | Of course, I don't get any respect.
                             | I'm from Cleveland.
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From: kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson)
Subject: Re: Some Warriors jokes
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:04:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.162102.16893@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>cheese@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Charles Alpert) writes:

>>Tim Hardaway won't pass either one of us the ball.
>> [...]  Hardaway [...] won't give up the bulb.
>
>Hardaway doesn't pass?  Then how did he get 10.0 apg in 91-92,
>and about the same amount this year?

C'mon, this isn't totally absurd.  My wife and I watch the Warriors pretty
religiously, and we've lost count of the number of 2-3 point losses GS has
had this year where Hardaway has tried to do it on his own -- with rare
success.  Sprewell, Owens (when healthy), Mullin never get the ball in the
last 20 seconds, it seems.

Kevin Thompson

-- 
kthompso@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov     Artificial Intelligence Research Laboratory
(415) 604-4767 (voicemail)        NASA-Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Chris Jackson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:28:56 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Well both of you and ESPN might have a little egg on your face after the
>contest then because although Jackson is not likely to win it, he is a much
>better dunker than you think. As for the "not known to be a good leaper",
>where did you get that? Chris has a great vertical, I think they said it
>was like 36" when he was at LSU. He developed it by jogging backwards in
>the sand wearing army boots back home as a kid.

>He dunked quite a bit in college, they used to even throw lobs to him
>at LSU.

	Jackson certainly did get up in college.  I remember he would even
	do reverse dunks, get the ball alley-ooped to him, etc.  

	Don't think that a person can't dunk because he lays it in all the
	time.  George Gervin almost never dunked -- but it was because he
	chose not to.  In fact, early in his career, he was a spectacular
	dunker -- he just quit doing it for some odd reason.

	Jazzy J

	-- my favorite non-dunker -- John Havlicek.  He never dunked his
	entire career until his last game, his last points.  Wow.

-- 
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|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
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From: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: BOXSCORE: det35phi33.16jan93
Reply-To: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:43:32 GMT

det 108, phi 123   16jan93

det (17-18)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
woolridge,orlando 26   7  11   0  0   3  3   1  3   1  2  0  1  1  0  0  0   17
mills,terry       36  11  28   0  0   3  4   8 15   5  3  0  0  0  0  0  0   25
laimbeer,bill     27   3   7   0  0   0  0   2  6   2  3  1  1  1  0  0  0    6
dumars,joe        31   7  17   0  1   0  0   2  2   2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   14
thomas,isiah      29   2   5   0  0   1  2   0  3   9  1  1  1  0  0  0  0    5
randall,mark      18   2   6   0  0   0  0   4  6   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    4
aguirre,mark      11   1   5   1  3   2  2   1  2   0  0  0  2  1  0  0  0    5
ruland,jeff       12   1   2   0  0   2  2   2  4   0  3  0  2  0  0  0  0    4
young,danny       21   1   2   0  1   0  0   1  1  10  0  1  1  0  0  0  0    2
glass,gerald      15   8  17   0  2   0  1   5  7   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   16
morris,isaiah     14   5   9   0  0   0  0   1  3   0  1  1  2  0  0  0  0   10
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
det totals       240  48 109   1  7  11 14  27 52  29 13  4 10  3  0  0  0  108
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .440   .143   .786       team rebs  6

phi (13-20)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
weatherspoon,clar 24   5  10   0  0   3  4   2  7   0  2  1  0  1  0  0  0   13
gilliam,armon     22   6  16   0  0   6  6   4  8   3  0  0  0  1  0  0  0   18
bol,manute        24   1   4   0  0   0  0   1  4   1  2  0  1  6  0  0  0    2
hornacek,jeff     35  11  15   1  2   2  2   0  5   8  3  2  2  0  0  0  0   25
hawkins,hersey    25   4   7   2  2   2  2   1  4   6  0  1  1  0  0  0  0   12
dawkins,johnny    31   5   9   0  0   0  0   0  1   7  2  2  0  0  0  0  0   10
perry,tim         24   9   9   0  0   3  4   3  8   1  0  0  0  3  0  0  0   21
anderson,ron      24   6  16   0  2   0  0   2  4   3  2  2  1  0  0  0  0   12
lang,andrew       16   2   4   0  0   2  2   2  3   2  2  1  1  3  0  0  0    6
grant,greg         5   0   1   0  1   0  0   0  1   2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
shackleford,charl  5   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
wilkins,eddielee   5   2   4   0  0   0  2   0  1   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    4
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
phi totals       240  51  96   3  7  18 22  15 47  33 14  9  7 14  0  0  0  123
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .531   .429   .818       team rebs  8

det   28  21  27  32  -  108
phi   27  31  33  32  -  123

attendance 16506, time 1:45, officials: JCrawford,JBorgia,BReichelt
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From: n9141650@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (Cong M. Tran)
Subject: test
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:55:41 GMT

This is just a testThis is dfsfsfsfsffdsfff
dfsfsdfsdf
sdffsffdfsdfsdfsdf
ust a test.

.


Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:10:17 -0500 
From: Rian Kiernan Long <rl3f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Suns lose again 
	<1993Jan19.174602.11517@ennews.eas.asu.edu>

From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Suns lose again
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:46:02 GMT
 
In article <1993Jan19.003624.27900@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.ed
u (brian h. harper) writes:
>
>No, what has been done to death is the whining and complaining of Phoenix
>fans who can't bear to see a loss or two. And, no, I don't have "an utter
>lack of understanding of the protest system". The protest system is not what
>could cause a problem, its abuse could. Despite the whinings of Mr. Barkley
>and company, this was not an obvious mistake on the refs' part (see any
>number of related posts if you don't believe me), anf therefore would have
>prompted similar protests if it had succeded.
 
AS has been stated before, the protest system has existed for years
without chaos.  The SUNs had a legitimate beef and they followed the
proper channels.  I don't know why you seem so offended by this.
Lighten up.  Refs screw up - they're human.  It only makes sense to
have another path for judgement.
 
For Gods sake, Collangelo's been head the rules and regulations
committee for ~10 years now.  I think he has a rather good understanding
of what's right and wrong as defined by the NBA rulebook - he's a pretty
bright guy.
 
>-Brian Harper
>n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu


What's the big deal here?  Even if Barkley had gotten a foul called it
wouldn't have mattered.  Remember, the NBA doesn't have the "proper and
correct" rule of awarding 3 foul shots on a three pointer.  The SUNs
were down 3 if I remember correctly.  Since the shot didn't go in the
SUNs had no chance of making up the deficit.  (This also brings up
another question:  Could Barkley even hit 3 free-throws in a row to save
his life, much less a game?!?)
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