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From: mhaines@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Haines)
Subject: Crew
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:48:16 GMT

In general, are people willing to crew on boats in races
in conditions that would require a lot of time
(either weekend after weekend, or long distance races) 
in short supply or a surplus item?

I ask because I go to schoool in the LA area and am
interested in crewing, but don't know how to go about getting in to it.  

I seem to have the usual"can't get any experience
because I don't have any experience" problem.

--Matthew

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: phil@meaddata.com (Phillip Jacobs)
Subject: Painting a Wood Boat
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:57:19 GMT

  I have a 12' wooden fishin' boat that needs repainted. The boat
     is in excess of 25 years old and I have stripped most of the
     four layers of paint off and have applied epoxy resin to the seams.
     Can anyone suggest a good paint or paint process that I can use to
     further seal the boat (it hasn't been in the water for about 20 years)
     I have two kids in college so the price needs to be consistent with
     my meager financial position.
     E-mail replies preferred.
     
-- 
Phil Jacobs                                                   (513) 865-7743
Mead Data Central       In a hundred years       System Evolution & Modeling
P.O. Box 933          This all won't matter!               phil@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401      -jimmy buffett-             ...!uunet!meaddata!phil


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: Olympics Sailing News/Results
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:41:46 GMT

In <l7gag1INNscm@west.west.sun.com> chandler@tabasco.West.Sun.COM (Don Chandler) writes:

>Also, what is "the black flag rule"?  As far as I know, we never used such a
>rule in SF Bay.

With the black flag up anyone who is over the line within the 1 minute
timespan before the start is automatically DSQed.  Sometimes race committees
will fly this flag if the fleet has several general recalls.  The one-minute
rule (requiring that you sail around the ends if over within one minute)
also helps prevent general recalls.

What I hate is when the committee boat calls your number but not the
number of the guy to leeward of you whose bow was in front of yours.  You
go back to the line thinking that at least you'll beat _one_ person
(the guy who was ahead of you but who didn't restart) and then discover
after the race that the rc didn't even get his number.  I'm really
beginning to think that there is no such thing as a good race 
committee.  Maybe their is a school that they go to:  The courses are
things like " How to set a line so that the starboard end is so favored
all 30 boats try to start there" and "How to be absolutely vague on
shore about race instructions then change your mind when on the course".

Will
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Frostbiting (Was: Man Overboard, again)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:08:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul22.163419.22359@webo.dg.com> psmith@dg-webo.rtp.dg.com (Peter Smith) writes:
>In article <1fdmbbk.greg@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>> ...
>>So, pardon the ignorance of an soon-to-be ex-pat Californian, but what
>>do you use to scrape your frozen butt off the bottom of the Dyer Dhow?
>>A spatula? A blowtorch applied to the exterior of the hull?
>> 
>
>Rum.  Apply liberally inside and out.

Seems to be the consensus.

>BTW, insane frostbiters around here race Lasers.  Those beyond insanity
>race sailboards (no, I don't know how they get their hands off the booms).j
 
Do people wear wet or drysuits when doing this? How about in the little 
dinghies? It seems like it would be an elementary (or elemental) safety
precaution in all cases where immersion is a possibility.
 
Ggggggrrrreeeeggggg
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: PEEP for sale
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:22:10 GMT

My Stur-Dee Cat, PEEP, is up for sale. 

LOA 14'4"
LWL 13'2"
Beam 7'0"
Draft 10", 3'6"
Weight 600lbs + 150 lbs lead pigs
Sail area 130 sq ft

as new 2hp honda 4-stroke outboard
new cockpit cover
ground tackle
main recut without battens
trailer
boat and trailer are licensed and registered.

this is the one some people have seen messing around redwood creek.
we have been out on it two or three times a week for six months, and

i paid $3000 for the boat less than a year ago, and a further $700 for 
the motor and $300 for the cover, and have put tlc and money into making 
it work good. the brightwork is a particular pleasure, and rick bishop 
cleans the hull every so often. the bottom paint is 9 months old.

I am asking $3000 for the lot. look at it by appointment or wander down
to berth AA1, Port of Redwood City.

Gybe Ho!

Francis Muir
we're now ready for a larger boat.
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lightning
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:56:50 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Jul18.003447.8868@bdt.com> RAY_ROGERS_SR@bdt.COM writes:
>Hi All
>     I would like information on lightning protection of boats.  Can anybody
>give referances and/ or information?

A few weeks back one of the boats from our yacht club in Brighton was
competing in the X-99 World Championships in Holland when a severe storm
hit the fleet during a race. They and another boat were struck by lightning.
The boat was written off, with several holes burnt through the hull in the
area of the mast step and chain plate fittings. One of the crew who was
sitting on the side of the boat was slightly burnt on the backside due to
the genoa fairlead track. Talking to the owner after his return he reckoned
a good way to protect the boat would be to get the anchor on deck and tie
the ground chain around the base of the mast then hang the remainder of the
chain over the side into the water. Unfortunately for them their hadn't
been any previous lightning to warn them of the danger.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: tinnin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nathan Tinnin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: '85 Seaward 22'
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: tinnin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nathan Tinnin)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: tinnin@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Has anyone out there ever owned or sailed a Seaward 22'.  I'm thinking
about buying one.  As I'm  a novice sailor, all opinions are appreciated.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Foul Weather Gear Hire ?
From: jpp@StarConn.com (John Pettitt)
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:48:38 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

Hi,  I am looking for somewere that will hire out foul weather gear and
harnesses.  I am going on a trip in mid august and all the equipment on
the boat is spoken for.   Any suggestions (pref SF bay area).


-- 
John Pettitt					jpp@starconn.com
Archer N81034					apple!starnet!jpp
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: How to measure speed across the water
Keywords: speed boat navigation
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:00:36 GMT

jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:


... lead in and laments deleted

>	Does anyone know of a device that I can use periodically to
>determine my speed -- and where to get it?

Yep.  They're called "Knotsticks",  Cost (I think) about ten bucks.  Work 
remarkably well even if they are a little bit of a bother to deploy.  I think
you can get them at any marine type store or mail order from West.

Get at least two since they're not the sturdiest things I've ever seen.  In
particular the tow line is a thin piece of elastic line.  It's only a matter of
time before it fails if you use it lots, like it sounds you're planning on.
If you cruise you *need* to know your speed in order to navigate.

It's really refreshing to see someone go for the simple approach once in a while.

happy sailing,
gerard
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Keywords: oops
Organization: BINJFBA Society
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:12:59 GMT

Chris, I have tried to mail direct to you but it bounces so I will post.

I have had boats in four Dallas area marinas on lakes Dallas, Lavon and
Texoma.  Since the Lacey's own most of the marinas in Texas, Oklahoma,
Arkansas and Misouri they have a ____y attitude towards their residents. 
It seems to me that you best option is to move to a marina they don't
own. 

I recently moved my boat to Cedar Mills Marina on Lake Texoma from
Grandpappy Point Marina (also Texoma).  This is not a Lacey marina! I
couldn't be more pleased.  Great facilities including arguably the best
boat repair in the world.  Cedar Mills is where Valliant Yachts are made
and the same folks who build the Valliants do boat repair. 

The yacht club is very active with a full spring and fall series as well
as a summer dingy series and three regattas a year.  They have a
beautiful club house with all the amenities.  Rich Worstell (owner) is a
charter member of the club and arranged for the financing to build the
clubhouse at very favorable rates so that most club dues go to support
club activities. 

My 30 ft slip costs $126/mo ($4.20/ft).  There is a discount if the
entire bill is paid by the 15th ($108/mo).  There is also a one month
discount if the year is paid in advance ($98/mo).  Electricity is a flat
rate $2.60/mo.  Electricity in the 40 and 50 foot slips is metered. 
Water is free and is from the local city supply. 

The marina is open with a good view of the inlet (Big Mineral Creek)
that it is in.  There are cabins for rent, a good restaurant, charter
facilities and the number one rated ASA sailing school in the USA. 

The entire operation is owned by a single family and is run like a
family business.  Best of all, they really seem to care about their
residents.  They routinely give seminars on sail trim, coastal
navigation and various boat repairs.  

Call me at (214) 596-7740 (hm) or (214) 907-4718 (wk) if you want more
info. 

===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				       
M & R Software, Inc.
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: What can rip a mainsail?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center


I agree with Roy. They're nuts. The wind blows all the time
in the BVI and the boats are often sailed by ham fisted fools
who either don't know or don't care to take good care of
the sails.  Sails on a charter boat see an incredible amount of wear
and an unfair amount of abuse. The boat's I've chartered down there.
(Mostly from the Moorings) All had seriously overbuilt sails and
even so, they had a fair bit of wear on them. 

15-20 isn't enough to put much of a stress on a main. Heck, on a
lot of boats, it isn't even call for a reef. 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Reefable headsails  Was: Re: Why only one main?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:35:48 GMT

kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell) writes:

>Regarding reefing a loose-footed headsail...
>|> Disadvantages
>|> 
>|>        1)  All sail area is lost at the foot; less control over shape
>|>            than can be attained using a completely different sail.
>I would think lowering the centre of effort of the sail would be a
good thing,
>but I guess not if you are talking about moderate conditions (i.e. 20 kts).
>...
>|>        4)  Requires a sail made for reefing.

>Do you mean the sail must be cut specially for reefing, or that it must have
>reefing cringles in it.  The latter is clear.  Can I have a reef point put in
>my #3 by a sailmaker, or do they also need to recut the shape of it?

I am not a sailmaker nor an expert in sail design.  However

   (i)  It is my understanding that (in heavy conditions, when racing,
        ignoring comfort, on a boat that is set up for it) a tall but
        narrow headsail can outperform a short, long footed headsail of
        equal area.  (I recall seeing a cover picture on Yacht Racing
        magazine of "Love Machine" racing in huge waves in the
        Gulf Stream.  Despite very heavy winds and two reefs in the main,
        she was carrying a "blade" headsail that ran almost to the
        masthead, but was very narrow.  The crew did not appear
        comfortable.)  I believe the advantage comes from having a taller
        slot between the main and headsail.  Perhaps some experts would
        like to discuss the theoretical side of the question.

   (ii) Since a reefed headsail gets a lot of abuse it is probably not
        wise (but possible) to modify an existing #3 for reefing.  The
        reefable headsails I have seen have all been very heavy duty
        dacron, and undoubtably wear out faster than other sails.  On
        the other hand, you don't need to buy as many sails in the first
        place!

-- Scott Thompson
From: epresley@brazilian.leper.colony
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Beautiful Boat
Keywords: hideout, not-dead, UFO, lepers
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:22:12 GMT
Reply-To: epresley@brazilian.leper.colony
Organization: WallyWorld USA






	I'm am posting for a friend without access to the net.
	Please contact directly. The verbage is totally his. I
	have sailed on the boat and do feel the description is
	accurate or I wouldn't post it. Sorry if this posting is
	in an inappropriate place. 

	BERMUDA 30 KETCH - CHOEY LEE. "SERAFIN", LOA 29'7", BEAM 8'9".
	This classic, sleek and strudy vessel is a must see. 
	Fiberglass hull is in excellent condition. Teak decks, cabin,
	and cockpit, with spruce spars, makes it the "prettiest boat
	in the harbor". Well maintained and loaded including loran,
	autopilot and depth sounder. Seven different sails, sleeps
	four. Sale includes stands. $22,000 or best offer. 671-431-
	2383.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Why only one main?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:04:56 GMT

Changing a mainsail "on the fly" is potentially dangerous.  Personally,
I would be uncomfortable relying completely on a headsail for power and
maneuverability while changing mainsails in high winds / big waves.  Too
much lee helm!  Difficult to keep the boat headed upwind.  (I don't think
I would care to try changing mainsails off the wind!)

<Uninformed speculation follows>
Perhaps this is WHY the racing rules do not permit mainsail changes during
races.

-- Scott Thompson
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:04:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Net opinion of Sobstad sails?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

 
   Sobstadt is one of the best in the business. IMHO



Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:22:26 GMT
Keywords: marina, New Jersey

I am a live aboard in Point Pleasant, NJ at Johnson Brothers Marina where I 
pay $2584 per season (April-October) for a 38' slip.  In water storage
for the winter will run approx. $600.  Power is extra.  The location,
docks, bathrooms, parking... are all excellent.  Sport fisherman and other
powerboats far out number sailboats in this area.  The fisherman prefer the
marinas that are closer to the ocean (takes me 40 minutes and 4 draw bridges).
The tide inside Barnegat bay is minimal and the view are very nice (for NJ).

IMHO, this is the best marina in the area, unless one needs to be 5 minutes 
from the ocean.

Dan McKibben              WACHUSETT             38' Jeanneau Pilothouse Sloop
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch fo
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:10:23 GMT

In article <l6p16fINNi2g@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>As I look down at my wrist, I am quick to recommend Casio.  I believe the model
>I have is W-780, at least that is the number on the back.  My watch has a
>....
>I have had good experiences with Casio.  I have had my sailing watch (the one
>with the valcro band) for over 10 years, and it is still doing fine.

Ditto that. I'm on my second one, only because the first
was lost overboard.  Mine sounds to be the same as Jeff's,
except mine says W-1500.  Haven't a clue as to the 
difference.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North      Gulfstar 37, aft cockpit
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Why only one main?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:22:49 GMT

andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson) writes:

>Well, it is almost certainly because a club footed sail is much easier
>to control (shape and sail area, that is).  Traditionally, the multiple
>headsails come from the need to match sail area to wind conditions.  It
>is not possible to reef a loose footed sail! However, a club foted sail
>like a main is easy to reef.

Actually it is possible to reef a loose footed sail, enabling some boats
to carry fewer headsails.  Some time ago I taught racing techniques on
a Santa Cruz 33 at a large university sailing club.  We routinely reefed
our number 2 genoa to a number 3 in heavy air.  (We sometimes reefed our
heavy number one genoa to a "1.5", but the technique is far less effective
on larger sails.)  The procedure went something like this.

         1) rig new jib sheets onto the new (reefed) clew.
         2) drop the halyard just far enough to slip the new tack
            onto the tack hook at the bow.  Retension halyard.
         3) simultaneously (with 2) take up tension on the new
            sheet (but not so much tension that you can't lower the sail.)
         4) trim the new sheet hard as soon as the halyard is secure.
         5) untie the old sheets from the old clew, gather in the loose
            foot of the sail (now on deck) and tie up using reef points.
            (Must be tied very securely or they will shake out when 
             you tack.)
         A temporary sheet can be used if you don't have two sets of 
         headsail winches.

Advantages relative to complete change of headsail

       1)  don't need as many sails
       2)  very fast change in sail area
       3)  very fast and easy to shake out when you want more sail area,
          (say when rounding the weather mark onto a non-spinnaker reach)
       4)  no need to stow the old sail and prepare it for a switch back.

Disadvantages

       1)  All sail area is lost at the foot; less control over shape
           than can be attained using a completely different sail.
       2)  Temporarily requires some crew on the low side to tie reef points
       3)  Reefed sail does not tack as smoothly as an unreefed one.
       4)  Requires a sail made for reefing.

-- Scott Thompson
Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.boats.paddle
From: Richard.Milward@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Milward)
Subject: Rental Rafts on the Mississippi?
Followup-To: richard.dvc@mhs.unc.edu
Summary: seeking rental raft or pontoon boat
Keywords: rental, raft, pontoon boat
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:52:39 GMT

Hello.  A friend is considering "rafting" down the Mississippi next month,
and is seeking info on places in the Milwaukee area to rent a raft/pontoon
boat/houseboat.  He'd prefer something -without- a roof, as he has a tent
he plans to use.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

--Richard Milward / Networking Systems group
  University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
  "LANs designed with your minds in mind."



--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: schnee@sail.ncsl.nist.gov (Rick Schneeman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Varnish/Stain Suggestions
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:57:06 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Try the latest wonder coating from Sikkens Cetol Marine. They used to
just have a house deck coating but since everyone including Practical
Sailor and ME agree its the best by far for looks and maintanence. It
should be in the marine stores by now but if you can't find it then you
can get it directly from the distributor im Philly. I can't remember off
hand the name of the dist. that I purchased I think its Akzo or
something like it. I can post if interested. Also, check Practical
Sailor rating - it was a couple months ago I can post edition if needed.


--
Richard Schneeman
National Institute of Standards & Technology (NIST)
Computer Systems Laboratory (CSL)
Distributed Systems Engineering Group
Technology Building (225), MS-B266
Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899 USA
schnee@sail.ncsl.nist.gov
From: hazen@cs.dal.ca (Dave Hazen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lightning
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:56:11 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

For what its worth, here is the standard from the CCG publication
"Ship Safety Electrical Standards"  publication number TP127E

(Usual disclaimer about consulting the source rather than this
transcription applies...)

Section 53, applying to ships with electrical systems less than 55 V..

1)  Lightning  conductors shall be fitted to each mast of all wooden and
composite vessels and to each mast of steel or aluminum vessels having wooden
masts or topmasts except where the height of any antenna exceeds the masts
and the antenna is equipped with lightning arrestors or other effective 
devices

2)  Lightning conductors shall be composed of continuous tape or wire having
a section of not less than #4 AWG which shall be attached by copper rivets
or clamps to a copper spike not less than 13 mm in diameter, projecting at 
least 150 mm above the top of the mast; the copper tape or wire shall be run
to terminate at a copper plate of area not less than 0.2 m**2, fixed to the 
keel below the light water line so as to be fully immersed at all angles of 
heel.

3)  No grounding conductor shall be attached to the lightning conductor
plate

4)  The copper plate shall be separate from and in addition to the copper
plate for terminating the grounding conductor.

For what it's worth--I don't recall ever seeing a pleasure boat which
meets the spec..

Dave

-- 
Dave Hazen                        BitNet: hazen@open.dal.ca
Dept. of Oceanography             Telemail: dalhousie.ocean
Dalhousie University              Voice: (902) 494-3396
Halifax, NS CANADA B3H 4J1        FAX:  (902) 494-3877
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