HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: "Smut"
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:46:24 GMT

In article <michaelh.714385863@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>[lyrics to tom lehrer's "smut"]
>
>>Don't let them take it away.           [now *where* did i put
>>                                          _Carnival in Rio_?]
>
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I bought a VCR from a friend a year or so ago, and it came with Carnival,
as a special extra... bless his heart. My first, uhm, taste of Gay Video
porn... Most everything else I've seen has been somewhat lukewarm by
comparison... But maybe I'm not trying hard enough :)



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:52:30 GMT

In article <15731@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>What _I_ would like to see is the women taking to streets, fighting against
>this last peice of sexual inequality. Of course, they don't get drafted. Of course, they don't mind _this_ piece of sexual inequality, and who can 
>blame them?

Oh, please.  If you don't know what you're talking about, don't
talk.

Women are *very* active in the anti-draft movement, not only on
the picket lines but also in counseling centers.  And yes, there
are those women who do feel that women should be drafted.

My own feeling is that the way to resolve the inequity is to
end the draft.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:31:38 GMT

michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
: 
: Well, gosh, twist my arm...  Okay, all you butches, *what* exactly
: is it that you want me to do?
: 
: 
: Michelle, respectfully femme

Well, being respectful is a good start.  The first thing you should do is...

Tell me what you want!


Kathy
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug18.221440.20817@panix.com>,
tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes:
> I keep saving messages.  My home directory on Panix is full of files
> called rob.by.jess and rob.by.jim and rob.by.mara.  Et cetera.  I
> guess it helps.

I didn't think I'd have anything to say;
I've been keeping out of the way of this, but

143> ls -l ~/News/rob
-rw-rw-rw-  1 roger      157998 Aug 19 14:55 /home/kapiti/roger/News/rob

and there are tears saved with every article.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
From: eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first batch of GIFs f
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) 

MM>Somewhere in my one-carl-sagon-unit worth of networking and OS books
MM>is a lovely line which reads "putting your NIT (Network Interface Tap)
MM>in promiscuous mode is a good way to find out what your neighbors
MM>are up to".

I just pull out my trusty Sniffer and start sniffing. Certainly a more
sensual experience, no?
--
Eric Hunt                     | bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net (preferred)
User, The Matrix BBS          | eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com
Birmingham, AL (205)323-6016  |          ^----nothing longer than 100 lines



                                                                                                         
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Subject: Re: Dear Rob Bernardo, my wonderful friend
In-reply-to: wood@siemens.com.'s message of 15 Aug 92 19:55:07 GMT
Reply-To: jontom@ileaf.com (JT Kittredge)
Organization: Interleaf, Waltham, Mass
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.52.65 of Mon Apr 22 1991 on kontrol (berkeley-unix)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:54:47 GMT

In article <wood.713908507@kong> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>This is my last letter to you.  You died two days ago at the age of 40 from
>complications of AIDS.  You and I will not be able to communicate as we
>did in the past.  I shall miss you, Rob, for your warmth, with, intelligence,
>insight, commitment, and most of all, for your love.

[...]

>You once fretted to me that you didn't think what you did in life would
>have lasting value, and you spoke mainly of intellectual achievements.  By
>themselves they surely were important.  I reminded you, however, of your
>effect on me and others in your life and the difference knowing you has made
>on all of us.  I hope this helped.  I hope that in your final illness that
>the long parade of friends along with your sister Claire brought you to
>realizing how deeply people cared for you.  You made a lasting impression on
>all of us.

[...]

>Love,
>Jim

>August 15, 1992

Thank you for posting this letter to Motss. I was very moved by it (it
made me cry, which was a welcome reaction). I think that Rob was very
lucky to have a friend like you. It is a great compliment, in turn, to
him that he inspired such friendship.

I agree with what you imply in your letter to Rob, that as human
beings among our greatest achievements are the relationships we leave
behind; they are our monuments. I think it is a great gift to have
testimony of a love like this; I find that stories like this one
strengthen me tremendously. For those of us who knew Rob less well --
only as one of the most prominent Motsseurs, it's a privilege to hear
a witness to what he was like a person.

Thank you again and my sympathies in your loss;
Yours in Motss, JonTom		(jontom@ileaf.com)

>--
>Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
>"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
> You a
re not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
>   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.

     I say that we are wound
    with mercy round and round
          as if with air.

  World-mothering air, air wild,
 Wound with thee, with thee isled,
  Fold home, fast fold thy child.

	-- Gerald Manley Hopkins
-- 
"What I am saying is that gay is good because it is, not because we
 can't help it. Love is good because it's love, not because we can't
 choose to love in any other fashion." -- Cory Kerens (in soc.motss)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Masculine and Feminine, round 4.
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:16:28 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

>This gave me a great idea for a personals ad: "GWM, 33, wishes to form
>communal household for atonal orgies.  Goal is to meet people on the 
>sexuo-musical helix such that resulting orgasm sounds a C#m9b5".

I dunno, Richard, I think a dominant 7th with #9, #11 and b13 is
queerer than a minor 9th with a b5. Maybe we can use extensions
as indications of flavors of sex preferred. Complete vanilla sex
would be simple major triads with no extensions. Then we work our
way to 7ths (rough sex), unaltered higher extensions (light bondage),
altered extensions (heavy S/M) etc etc...

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater )
Subject: CLAIRE OF THE MOON...(dates?)
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:50:56 GMT

Hi! I just received mail from Naiad Press informing me that the new
lesbian film CLAIRE OF THE MOON is soon going to be shown in locations
throughout the U.S. this fall, and one of them (lucky me!!!) is in
Rochester!!!  Only one problem: WHEN/WHICH CINEMA?  There is a phone
number listed on the promo advert, but it's in Texas, and I can't make
long distance calls from my college phone!!!!!  Does anyone out there
have an address I could write to for further info. and/or release
dates/show dates?  I am really grateful for any information about
this....  however PLEASE SEND IT TO ME VIA e-mail as I will be out of
town for approx. 3 weeks (August 14- Sept. 3rd)...  

my e-mail address is : "kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".

Thanks ever so much.........

(Miss) Kerry Cater.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:39:53 GMT

psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
: 
: Well, I for one am glad Bob brought this issue up. I, too, am embarrassed
: by femme gays. Why the other night, I went out dancing with my girlfriend at
: the bar, and I found myself *surrounded* by women wearing red lipstick, 
: heels, and slinky black cocktail dresses.
: 
: I mean, yuck-o! I thought to myself, is this what it means to be homosexual? 
: Will I have to give up my 4x4 and my 501s, and go worship at the altar of
: some distorted homo-femme fetish in order to fit in with other homosexuals?
: 
: Frankly, I think the fear that you're going to have to start looking like
: Madonna in order to fit in with "lipstick culture" keeps many normal butch 
: gay women in the closet. After all, who wants to look like some depraved
: sicko femme? (BTW, this is not a flame.)
: 
: Thanks, Bob, for bringing this important topic up.
: 

I think we need to start a new support group, NBASF (Normal Butches Against
Sicko Femmes). Requirements for membership should include (but not be limited
to):

	1. NO MAKEUP ALLOWED, EVER!!!
	2. NO FEMME CLOTHING (as determined by the charter members of the group).
	3. NO SHAVING OF LEGS OR ARMPITS.
	4. NO HAIR LONGER THAN 2 INCHES (except in armpits).
	5. NO HEELS TALLER THAN 1 INCH (cowboy boots excepted).
	6. NO SARCASTICALLY IMPAIRED PERSONS.

We can make up whatever rules we want. Butches make the rules, femmes have to
follow them!


Kathy

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: musical finale
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: chamber music
Organization: anticrossposters 'r' us
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:21:50 GMT

the beethoven quartet in c sharp minor, opus 131.

arnold
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the rescuers (was, the "oh" experience)
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:33:37 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>In article <joelp.713659614@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey), the Great Rescuer, writes:
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think that Todd gets this distinction.  After all, he is the one who
>treaded (very cold) water while parts of his body turned blue and went
>into hiding.  I merely get brownie points for working vigorously on
>inproving your circulation.   :-)

Hmm, did you?  I *must* have been in more shock than I thought.  (I do
remember you being *very* thorough about checking for broken bones, dilated
pupils, nausea, and sternly preventing me from moving as quickly as I
initially wanted to).

Trey deserves his own special distinction.  But since I haven't yet responded
to any of his posts (having just made it back to soc.motss land), I'm not sure
what title is appropriate.

>I am not sure how this works.  I suspect that I could still get into the
>grave, so to speak, except that I dropped Catholicism a long time ago.  I
>have an 'in' in the church whom I will ask.  One of her greatest fears is
>that we won't be able to be buried all together in the family plot.

Lots of feelings of estrangement from my family bother me.  But whether or not
my dry husk moulders next to my mother's and father's has never crossed my
mind.  So I guess I can't empathize with you Mum too well.  If someone gives
me the choice, I'll have myself cremated :- ).

>Well, now I get to respond differently, should that question come up again.
>When we get together for Xmas, we have this tradition of telling the
>family what we really want in the next year.  It would be fun to be able
>to say "meet a nice man and settle down".

Oh, for all the nice men I've ever met (and little more)....  I can't yet see
me ever settling down, though.

>--mark

   joel,
        who holds his fondest secret in his heart (er, right hemisphere,
            somewhere)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: International Male (was R
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:58:47 GMT

eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt)  writes:

>JN>3, I suspect.  Apparently, they're afraid they'll lose a few fringe strayts
>JN>who *wish* they were fashionable.

>I think it's more than that. I think they'll loose the MASSIVE newsstand
>exposure they get right now if they 'come out of the closet.' I mean, in
>this godforsaken Biblethumping hellhole we call Alabama, IM is on every
>newsstand you see practically.

Of course! It's almost impossible to find any REAL JO material, so IM is
a substitute for the closet cases.

Jeff
Huntsville, Al
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo (Responses to people dying)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:43:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug19.222256.14441@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>>- Realizing I should have got that damn .GIF file of him from
>>  spdcc.com before he had them pulled
>
>I put them back this week, David.
 
Thank you, Steve.  I was just thinking about asking if you
could send me a copy privately... and this came along.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: St. Cole Porter (was Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?)
Date: 10 Aug 92 22:52:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <l8601fINN3an@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
[deletions]
>
>Charlotte Greenwood is wonderful, isn't she.  So what else
>in on it?  Any unusual Ethel Merman?  
>

Probably not unusual in your terms, but for us lesser
mortals "Down in the Dumps on the 90th Floor" might be
considered so. What is that word for the kind of gown she's
wearing, p-somethng-lated?

In the book that comes with the tapes, there's a picture of
Greenwood. She's wearing slacks and a mink coat, studying
her script with one long leg sticking up the air with an
almost impossible flexibility. How I would have loved to
seen her on stage in her prime -- a long prime it was.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:13:41 GMT

Continuing to follow the Sarver/redefining masculinity thread, I want to let
go and cry.  I realize I'm having trouble reading some of the postings
(especially the ones from Bob, with the sheer intensity of their emotion)
because of the strength of the response they evoke in me.

I don't think of myself as a queen.  Whatever ``effeminate'' is, I'm probably
not.  But people do consider me highly eccentric, and I've been told already
that my eccentricity is a way of gaining attention.  These people don't
understand:  I am *much* more ``eccentric'' when there's no one else
around....  OTOH, the thing people who like me respond to is a sense of strong
individuality.  They don't understand either, how much I'm still holding in.

Anywhere where expectations remain -- any expectations beyond human respect
and dignity -- I will feel like a caged bird who vaguely remembers he once
knew how to fly.  I cannot function in a rule-bound environment; under weight
of imposed structures I lose sight of myself.  I build patterns in my head:
patterns, endless patterns; but the most wonderful thing about me is the
driving fire within me that I think I can never begin to understand:  the
whirling confusion carries a satisfaction I cannot begin to explain.  I am
drawn, have always been drawn, to uncertainty, to insecurity, not as negative
things but as a source of great creative force within.  I will never be
content with anything less than finding my own path; and always -- well,
hopefully not always -- terribly afraid that I am giving in, that I am
sacrificing my image of who I am for the adulterated image that others would
give to me.

Compromise begins and ends as a bad idea:  human strength comes from conflict.
The basic things should *never* be compromised, and the rest, I guess, don't
really matter.  We have to go with the image we have of ourselves; we have to
stand by our understanding of the Truth, even as we know that it is flawed.

Hoping this makes sense,

ME
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: news@walter.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: Gay bull
Followup-To: soc.motss
Reply-To: dfs@bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:25:24 GMT

In article <1365@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>
>... the instructor, who was trying to teach it
>to a bunch of people who had only previously seen BASIC, said
>something like "I know this looks like Swahili now, but it will
>make sense soon." An African student got a kind of puzzled look
>on his face, held up his hand, and said "But Swahili's not very
>hard?!"

That's certainly true.  In one of my past lives, when I was
majoring in African Linguistics at the University of Wisconsin
in Madison, I studied Swahili for a couple of years.  Though I
could carry on a labored conversation in it at one time, my
Swahili has now gone way beyond rusty through lack of use.  I
regret losing it, because I really enjoyed the language.  I've
been learning a bit of German lately, and I'd be very happy if
it were as easy as Swahili.  And as pleasant to my ear.

Actually, you all know some Swahili, I'm sure:  simba and bwana
and maybe even hatari, which was the name of a movie when I was
a kid, or umoja, if you listen to Sweet Honey in the Rock.

Debby Swayne
dfs@bellcore.com

simba: lion
bwana: sir, mister
hatari: danger
umoja: unity
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:52:24 GMT


In article <ROBERTL.92Aug21160718@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:

>- Bob (hoping the animal rights people will overlook this outrageous
>       abuse of pigs...)

Not even the animal rights people, m'dear.  Though pigs are
the smartest of the four-footeds, they get terrible press in
comparison to such silly creatures as dogs (who if they had
the wit for it would be jealous).  But Sargon the Butch is
*quite* a lot dumber than your average pig.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:43:57 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug13.035058.14219@reed.edu>,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In heaven everything is fine
> you've got your good things
> and you've got mine

I used to sing this, quite loud, very slow,
walking home at night from Kelburn to the Aro Valley,
whistling, in my toneless waul, every other verse.
(If anyone here was awakened by this, in 1981-2, sorry.)
I was assiduous about singing "*I've* got mine"
for all but the last verse.

[Does anyone know who recorded this,
with a bunch of people singing it
as if drugged semi-comatose around a battered piano?
A friend of mine had it on a compilation tape a friend had made,
but it wasn't credited on the track listing.]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: OUTING: Canadian Gold Medallist Swimmer
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:50:15 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <71481@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew
Melmon) writes:

>one cannot be 'clean cut' and a sleazy journalist (better yet,
>one cannot be 'clean cut' and a journalist - the adjective is no longer
>necessary, but rather, assumed.)

Excuse me, m'dear.  There's some sleaze in your remark.
Sleaze may safely be assumed for *some* journalists (Pat
Buchanan comes to mind), but not all, your scribe being
among other things a journalist.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:55:23 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

 wbs@mred.llnl.gov (William B. Schaefer IV) writes:
>Is it OK to discriminate against a life form because it doesn't "wiggle"?
>I think not.  If you are taking issue with the harvesting of life forms for
>human consumption, then vegetarians are murderers as surely as veal ranchers.

There's a place for this (very tired) argument:  talk.politics.animals.
(I believe there's also an FAQ for rec.food.veg; you might want to read it.)

ObMotss:  I *like* eating people who wiggle.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "Usenet always repeats itself.  Think of it as an eternal cycle,
   part of the great spiral dance of life ... or lots of stupid little
   people running around in circles." --Amanda Walker
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:02:10 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Aug17.105831.21342@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> In article <wb9m1#j.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack
> Hamilton) writes:
> 
> >It's very unusual for a name in common use, for instance,
> >to become private property.  The only example I can think of
> >is the use of "Olympics".
> 
> Boy Scouts?

Didn't Intel manage to trademark the letter "i" ?

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss