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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Review: Monte Cazazza - The Worst Of Monte Cazazza
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:06:01 GMT

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:

>This aptly-titled compilation from Mute's Grey Area subsidiary catalogues
>the career of the infamous Monte Cazazza, cultural terrorist, colleague and
>contemporary of the Throbbing Gristle crowd and all-round generally weird
>person.

In fact, the only thing 'missing' on this compilation is 'Future Shock'
by CTI (Chris & Cosey) and Monte Cazazza. Hanging from a rope.


>Later material gets rather more conventional. "Stairway To Hell" and "Sex
>Is No Emergency" are pleasant enough musically, with only Monte's lyrics
>taking them in odd directions. Hell, "Sex Is No Emergency" even features a
'Stairway to Hell' is also the introduction music on one of the SRL video
tapes. Fits.


Thanks for the good review,
Adrian
-- 
Adrian S. Le Hanne        Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Koepenicker Str.154, D-1000
alh@einoed.in-berlin.de   Berlin 36. Tel.: 030/611 31 26,  Fax.: 030/826 98 75
                                         "Christianity Is Stupid" -Negativland
From: john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: F.L.A. TOURDATE PLEEEZ!
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada 416-283-0114/6059* *v32bis/HST
Reply-To: john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter) 

Greetings,

*INFO REQUEST*

I have seen some F.L.A. tour dates flying around out there, does anyone
have a complete tour listing *OR* a TORONTO tour date *OR* know if they
are coming to toronto?!

thanks...   JesteR
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Severed Heads Lyrics
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:27:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T


In article <1992Jul29.161102.22665@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (me) writes:

>These two tracks are indeed on the cassette tape set MANY A WONDERFUL
>PICNIC HAS BEEN RUINED BY BLUBBERKNIFE.  "Adolf A Carrot (Karrot)?" is
>also on the Ink Records LP CLIFFORD DARLING, PLEASE DON'T LIVE IN THE PAST,
>and is one of the bonus tracks on the Nettwerk CD of either SINCE THE
>ACCIDENT or CITY SLAB HORROR.  (Sorry, I don't remember which one
>specifically.  There are several BLUBBERKNIFE tracks included as bonuses
>on each of these CDs.)

Oops, sorry, "Adolf A Carrot?" is not on CLIFFORD DARLING, PLEASE DON'T
LIVE IN THE PAST, but it is on BLUBBERKNIFE and is one of the bonus tracks
on the Nettwerk CDs.
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Grey Area News...
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Everyone should buy the box set anyway! 

Well, I'd *like* to, but given my current financial state I've resorted to
trying to grovel a free review copy from John :-) Not a chance, probably,
but you never know...

> Does the press release say anything about whether it will be a
> European/UK release only?

I thought Grey Area stuff was no longer available domestically in the US at
all? There were no indications given in the press release, but I've got the
impression that The Grey Area no longer reaches the US. Confirmation,
anyone?

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
			   "Click click drone."
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: MOSHING TO JANES'
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:11:18 GMT


In article <1992Jul19.193844.15521@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:

>Well, this whole argument is pretty silly, Fact is, moshing is as passe as,
>say, dry ice...so y'all can mosh if you want to, but pogoing is the wave of
>the future...(shoot, shouldn't have told y'all that - now everyone will be
>jumping up and down to Pearl Jam...damn!)

HEY! 
YOu can mosh if you want to
YOu can leave your friends behind
And if you dont mosh (blah i forget the stupid song)
then your no friend of mine

S S S S S 
A A A A A  
F F F F F 
E E E E E 
T T T T T
Y Y Y Y Y 

MOSH



--
I am, therefore I rave.
 ,
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz)
Subject: Greater Than One questions
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:49:33 GMT


i'm curious to know the origin of any of the samples on GTO's
I Don't Need God/Ignorance is the Agent of Fear/Fear is the Agent of Violence CD,
particularly the stuff in Fear is the Agent of Violence about 
"we need a proletarian art..." and "we must write hermetically..."

thanks,

mike


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From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: early MINISTRY
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.132642.6731@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bcmatusz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brian Matusz) writes:
>
>I totally agree...my roots are in thrash and the industrial that I like
>is the stuff that employs good guitars.  

As far as my roots go, my great grandmother brought a satchel of Throbbing
Gristle tapes with her, and a copy of the Nine Inch Nails bootleg CD when she
emigrated from Germany in the 1800s.  My great granddad had a Stratocaster
tied to his back as he hiked along behind the wagon.  Of course, he couldn't
play a lick, and used it as a shovel until it broke, but it WAS a good guitar.

>I think the music tends to be boring and
>obnoxious when all you've got is some samples and a drum beat.  Let's
>get some guitars and some quality vocals in there!

That's what my great grandma used to say!  "Benjamin, that stuff you play
sounds like shit!  Why don't you quit using that guitar as a garden tool, 
learn to play it, and get Uwe to sing a little?"

>>	   is a certain song called "Stigmata," if I'm not
>>	   mistaken, with Al also seeing how long he can
>>	   hold that selfsame note.

That's something else she always harped on him about--"You keep using the same
notes over and over!"  She was a real firebrand, I tell you.

@Man
-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  G is for Jesus

"We will buy Iron Camels from GoMotion
   Unlimited in Santa Clara California."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Godflesh: Pure vs. Live
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.000744.18712@wri.com> andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:
>I listened to Pure at my favorite music store and decided to pass on it as  
>I thought it sounded thin and a little too dancey or something, unlike  
>Godflesh's 2 previous releases, which I liked: dark, thick, deep. Then I  
>caught them at the Lounge Ax in Chicago, and really liked the sound of the  
>Pure cuts. What gives? I'd gladly buy a live version of Mothra, et al. Are  
>my ears alone in finding too much of a discrepancy between Pure on CD vs.  
>live?

I think that that's true for a lot of bands.  I found that both Nitzer Ebb
and Skinny Puppy sounded much more intense live; Nitzer Ebb played some songs
that I really don't care for on their albums, and I enjoyed them much more
live.  I can't speak for Pure, but it seems to be a common effect in general.

-- 
Michael Lucas				mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Friday, 24 Jul 1992 17:23:07 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy: Metro

In article <1992Jul23.001219.18838@wri.com>, andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre
Kuzniarek) says:
>
>Caught Skinny Puppy at Cabaret metro last night in Chicago. Have to admit
>I was a bit dissappointed. The musical side of the show was pretty tepid,
>and the audience reaction seemed to be as well (although we're talking
>about a pretty existential crowd--not the types to bleat ridiculously for
>encores). I did like the light show and performance stuff. Just wish they
>could have put a richer sound together, like Last Rites. I gues it would
>have required a tape, but I'm not even sure they didn't use such...
>
>Any other opinions on this show out there? This was my first time seeing
>them...
>
>AK

Well, I've seen them only two other times, and I can tell you that due
to the way their shows are structured, audience reaction (applause
between/after songs) is kept to a minimum.  Partly because of the
occasional chaining of songs, partly due to the atmospheric noises and
sounds between songs, and partly because the audience is just too
drained (whether physically or emotionally) to respond with anything
more than gaping jaws.  Overall it was a very good show, much improved
from their tour kickoff shows here a few months back.  THere were the
usual problems, like Ogre accidentally flinging his headset into the
crowd (which produced thie following change in the lyrics to "Killing
Game":  "Fallen angel TURN THE FUCKING HEADSET OFF!...")  But I only
realised during this show that back in May they did not do that
missing song from Last Rights, and this time they did. Gotta fly...
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:40:01 -0400 
From: Peter Yung Chang <pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BiGod 20 <----from HERX
	<2A7081C4.22260@ics.uci.edu>

As far as I know, other 20/Bigod 20 singles include America, Acid to
Body, and Body to Body.

					
					peech

Peter Chang
Economics/Industrial Management
Carnegie Mellon University
<pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>



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From: vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm)
Subject: Re: The Inflatable Swimsuit
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:06:46 GMT

In article <4001@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> front242+@pitt.edu (Brian R Iwaskewycz) writes:
>Once again, alternative music has found it's way into the mainstream world of
>television...
>
>A company in California has invented and marketed an inflatable swimsuit that
>works like the Reebok/Nike pump shoes.  What does this have to do with the
>alternative music scene?  The commercial features a group of models dancing
>(in their blow-up bikinis, of course) to a chorus of "We must, we must, we must
>increase our bust!" which was done by the Lords of Acid from Belgium...

Ask any post-adolescent female and they will tell you that rhyme has
been around since before the Lords of Acid were *born*.

-valerie


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* valerie@athena.mit.edu * std dsclmr *   I see this again " - Caterwaul  *
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From: pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Yung Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: BiGod 20 <----from HERX
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:19:39 GMT
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.industrial: 26-Jul-92 Re: BiGod 20
<----from HERX by Cliff Heller@panix.com 
> All of these are available on Welcome To The Technodrome on ZYX records.
> I've seen it available separately and also as part of the 4CD set "Welcome
> to the Techno Club"

Yes, I know.  But you miss out on Bigod 20's cover of Depeche Mode's
"Photographic", on the b-side of America.


					
					peech

Peter Chang
Economics/Industrial Management
Carnegie Mellon University
<pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: F242 Box Set, F242 question
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:02:05 GMT

A note:

I am compiling the *new and improved* complete Front 242 discography, and I
need to know if these box sets that are being bandied around do exist, what
their catalog numbers are, etc. If you have any info, please let me know. It
should be ready in about two weeks, and I will post it here when it is done.

In article <pet.711693786@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>1) Does a Japanese F242 box set exist?

Not sure. I hear that a British one does, though, consisting of the five
recent re-issues. Perhaps Japan got the same thing.

>2) What extra 4 tracks does the JP Tyranny for you have?

They're all mixes of "Tragedy (For You)." I wrote down which ones somewhere,
but it seems to have eluded me. Each of the mixes is readily available on
the various TFY singles, though. Nothing new.
-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
"I said, where'd you get your information from, huh?
 You think that you can front when Revelation comes?" - Beastie Boys
From: usbroad@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: R.M.I. ANGER!
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:26:04 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <2A6DEEE7.13600@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:
> In article <2584.928.uupcb@bville.gts.org> john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter)  writes:
>>Greetings,
>>
>>   Hi does anyone out there find it interesting as to how much *FLAMING*
>>goes on in this message base considering the fine scope of music we all
>>listen to??  
etc,etc,etc...

  Who would ever expect a bunch of people who listen to songs with lyrics 
like..."I only kill to know I'm alive..."and buy albums with titles like
"rabies" and listen to groups with names like "killing joke" would deter
from this "fine" music and harbor ill will towards anyone...get with it 
flames on r.m.i are as essential as moshing at any good concert, its
a great release and a lot of fun...besides most of the flames are far more
amusing than anything else, especially when you can tell the flamer is
really pissed at the flamee.  (please post any grammar corrections to my
english teacher and any flames to broadhrj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu or
vice versa as you see fit)

	By the way I would like to add my name to the huge (2 or 3) number
of people who have stated they likethe new ministry, although I still
would not recommend it unless you really liked burning inside and breath
and you thought stigmata was a little to good...

	---Rob

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave vs. Industrial
Reply-To: seeger@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:25:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.212002.24253@javelin.sim.es.com>  
pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
> 
> >In a way, they bear some similarities.  But can Techno/Rave be considered
> >Industrial?
> 
> I vote no.
> 
So do i, emphatically.

> About the only similarity between the two that I can see is the heavy use of
> synthesizers.  

They both use samples more than other music, as well.

> Industrial, or dance-industrial (which I
> assume you are speaking of) is definitely darker 

This i think is the key... Industrial is usually at least a bit angry, there's  
angst; not so with most of the music I've heard at raves. The people at raves  
are more into x-ing, not slamming around in a pit. 

> and more dependant upon
> vocals (understandable or not) than techno.  Techno, on the other hand, is
> more dependant upon the beat.
>  
Yeah, at least I agree Techno/House are more dependent on beat... Some music  
heard at raves has vocals, but again, it's not dark/angry. I think it would be  
pretty hard to get the two confused.

seeger
-- 
|     seeger@oceania.com     |
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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: SST bites again (was Let's help out negitvland!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:53:34 GMT

In article <vzdm=7m@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>By the way -- I've seen several local stores with seriously jacked prices
>on the Negativland reissue CDs.  Don't pay more than $12 or $13 -- that's
>what you can get them for from Negativmailorderland, and the band gets a
>bigger cut that way too.
>
>--
>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

   I must give it up for the band for keeping these reissues at a standard
  CD price.  Given most major labels will charge the same, if not more, for
  a simple slide of a CD card into some plastic case with the CD inside.

   In fact, I can probably estimate that the cost of putting together all
  those goodies in _A_Big_10-8_Place probably came out to $6 or $7, where mass
  manufactured major label CDs cost around, oh, $3 at the most.

  Now let's see....

   Since most major label CDs are sold on the average to record stores
    for around $10 or $11 bucks by the distributors, then sold around $14 or
   $15 by the stores themselves.....

       Distributors make around a 300% profit....
       with Stores making around a 50% profit...
   ...for the mass manufactured CDs

    Now for Negativland's _A_Big_10-8_Place_, assuming it costs $6 to make
   and distribution and stores charge the same.

     Distribution makes around a 100% profit...
       with Stores still with a 50% profit...
    for _A_Big_10-8_Place.

   NOW.....


      If Negativland/Seeland decided to make the same profit percentage as
   a typical major label,

      A copy of _A_Big_10-8_Place_ would cost the store around $22.
         (which is roughly $6-7 plus a rough 300% profit/increase)

      A copy of _A_Big_10-8_Place_ would cost a BUYER (Yes, you!) who
            would buy this at the store $22 PLUS the 50% profit for the store,
      making the CD a GRAND TOTAL of $33!!


     I think this will give you guys a bit more appreciation for
       Negativland than you've had before.  And I'm sure they need it.

                                                           K!z!K
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave vs. Industrial
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:39:32 GMT


earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:
>This is an easy one to solve.  My new canonical example is the 3rd track (the
>140 bpm mix) on the Church of Extacy "Church of Extacy" 12"/CD5.  Practically
>defines the word "hardcore Techno", and as far as PC quotient for Old
>Industrialites goes, it's done by Lee Newman and Michael Wells, who are better
>known as Greater Than One.  (although nowadays, they're Techno trading as
>G.T.O., Church of Extacy [sic], and at least one other moniker that's on a
>white label 12" I just got - Run Rabbit Run, was it?  Something to do with
>Rabbits ... )

Greater Than One
GTO
Tricky Disco
John and Julie
Church of Extacy

more?  oy vey...

>You can also drop the needle down on just about any Aphex Twin track (like
>"Digeridoo" or "Metapharstic", for example) and be guaranteed "good techno".

i think digeridoo is kinda boring anyway.

>I could go on and on, but the point is that there's LOTS of "good Techno" out
>there nowadays ...

the new jazz/acid stuff is brilliant.  pretty soon those choir sample
headbanging techno tracks are going to seem as dated as 1980's synth pop.

vive la musique disposable!

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Front 242 "DSMO" meaning?
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:24:58 GMT

brian@nx13.mik.uky.edu (Brian hoffman) writes:

>> That's DMSO.

>Yea, didn't the Dead Kennedys do a song called DMSO? 

Yes they did.  Also, when Jello came here last year, he told a tale of
dosing cops with LSD by mixing it with DMSO.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: (What else?) Ministry
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:20:12 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness) writes:

> 1. In the upper right hand corner of the back of the CD, it says "DAD."
> How can this be possible - I thought the only possible combinations for
> CD recordings were AAD, ADD, and DDD?

It's easy.  The first letter is the multitrack recording, the second is the
mix/master, and the third is the CD pressing (obviously, always digital).
You could get DAD if, for instance, you recorded on a 32-track digital
recorder, and mixed to 1" 2-track analog.
 
> 2. In the TV II track, isn't the machine gun-sounding noise kind of a
> ripoff of Puppy's "Fascist Jock Itch" on "Rabies"?

Kind of a turd painting rendered in diarrhea, isn't it?

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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: R.M.I. ANGER!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:27:35 GMT

In article <2584.928.uupcb@bville.gts.org> john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter)  writes:
>Greetings,
>
>   Hi does anyone out there find it interesting as to how much *FLAMING*
>goes on in this message base considering the fine scope of music we all
>listen to??  

no, it makes perfect sense considering the music, _I_ listen to
(i dont know about you, cuz i'll be damned if im ever
at your house listening to music)

> Like really! 
 
like gag me with a spoon

>Ok, ok, I guess I am being silly, but I am just trying to prove a point

silly? nah...

>that it would be nice if we could cut down on the number of angry,
>nitpicking flaming posts and just stick to positive constructive
>informative (ok and humorous) posts...   If you want to flame someone,
>please do the rest of us and favor and be a flamer in private (USE
>EMAIL)

it would REALLY be nice if all the dumbshits who think that we should
all go out and hug each other would actually listen to the music
that they are playing, cuz they probably wouldnt be too happy
and they might go crazy or get depressed and actually face reality

maybe it would be nice if in real life people always were polite and
just stuck to constructive informative (ok and humourous) comments
BUT IT DOESNT HAPPEN THAT WAY,  look around you...

and who says that flames arent humourous? they usually make me laugh,
almost as hard as when i read the original post
and having flames in e-mail prevents me from being able to
a) laugh at all the morons involved
b) jump in
c) kill any threads i dont want as easily

>johnwalterproduct92

sure you dont want to copyright it to?

>PS - I think we are all so feisty here because the music is so
>aggressive...    So F*CK you all!!  This is a brainsample segment.

what a crazy fucking idea


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I am, therefore I rave.
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