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From:         CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Tipper and Co.

>Comments: Resent-From: Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS>
>
>Ray,
>   Not so young, this is my 6th Presidential Election.  Just this time
>it feels hopeless.  Family values?  Whose?  I actually saw a program where
>Sununu was asking the NOW representative if she didn't think the nuclear
>family with the mother at home was best....oops, wait while I climb down
>off the soapbox...sorry..

        Personally, I think that "dysfunctional family" is a redundant
phrase so any family values are suspect.

                                                        Sue
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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Shining Through

>        It seems a waste to put Michael Douglas in love scenes when
>Liam Neeson is in the same movie...Too bad Douglas wasn't the Nazi...


>                        Sue
   Now, that's the truth.  Any chance Michael can be the first inductee
into PABLM's teeth-clenched Hall of Fame?
                                         Joan
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vincent and Theo

REPLY TO 07/31/92 02:19 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Re: Vincent and Theo

Michael:  That was my poor attempt at silly listserv humor (which we
all know is next-to-impossible to convey) -- of course everyone knows
about the ear episode -- that's why it is ridiculous to call it a
SPOILER.

There is an intriguing theory that Van Gogh went mad because he had
the unfortunate habit of eating his paints, and paints at that time
contained something closely akin to wormwood, which was the
deleterious ingredient in absinthe.  Anyway, there was a fascinating
article about this in the JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
a few years back.  Of course, there's another theory that he was
hypoglycemic.  Food for thought (or should I say, paint for thought?).
Ahem.  Another humor attempt .  .  .

Jennifer Porro

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From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: serious discussion of sin
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While you are busy analysing who's talking on this list, why don't you examine
*what* is being said?

I've made it a point to try and tone down the bickering (cuz it ain't getting
*me* anywhere) and brought up an actual MOVIE!

ObCin: What's the consensus on The Mambo Kings? It's playing the $1 cinema
here, and I've heard both Wonderful and Terrible, which always confuses me.

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Peter Giordano,

You write of the recent postings that "half of them are
from the same two or three people making wisecracks at
each other," and that "most of them lately" have been from kjf.

The log from 21 Jul 17:42 to 26 Jul 19:40 [EDT]
recorded 118 messages, with the following 13 people
contributing more than two messages each:

12 From:   FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
10 From:   PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
 9 From:   Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
 5 From:   Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
 5 From:   CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
 4 From:   "William P. Oppel, Jr. (Billy)" <S70762OW@ETSUACAD.BITNET>
 4 From:   the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
 4 From:   Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
 4 From:   Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
 3 From:   "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
 3 From:   Laura Hayes Burchard <lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
 3 From:   "George V. Chastain" <U0E53@WVNVM.BITNET>
 3 From:   Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>

So kjf does hold a plurality though hardly a majority. And
in a very close 3-way race, we find Steve Portigal in second...
and you, Peter, in third.

Phil
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:23:11 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film beef on CBS News (SPOILER about _Fatal Attraction_

>Film beef on CBS News (SPOILER about _Fatal Attraction_)
>
>Did anyone see the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather last night?  There was a
>segment on restoring previously-cutted scenes into a movie.  _Fatal Attraction_
>is now released with both the ending audiences saw (Glenn Close, thought
>drowned, jumps up in the tub) and the original ending Adrian Lyne had intended
>(Glenn Close graphically slitting her neck with knife).  Director James
>Cameron and Peter Bogdanovich were also interviewed, because they restored and
>expanded some scenes, respectively, in _Aliens_ and _The Last Picture Show_.
>
>Finally, this process was compared to other film beefs as the colorization of
>black & white films, and the editing of films for profanity and time
>constraints.
>
>Any comments on this?
>
  Yes, as long as it is the original director who is restoring the scenes,
 I have no problem with it.  In that case, it cannot be compared to
 colorizing which is usually done by someone other than the original
 director.

--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:27:37 EDT
From:         "Kenneth R. Jackson" <PUPAPKJ@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movie Databases
              30 Jul 1992 16:12:01 PDT from <DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY .EDU>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:12:01 PDT <DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU> said:
>From:  Mary Shaffer
>
>
>How do you access the database at boulder.colorado.edu? What's available?
>There have been at least two references in recent posts and I was curious
>and thought others on the list might want to know, too.
>
>Thanks,
>Mary
=========================================================================
Could someone also send me this information as well?
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:02:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: TNT/"uncut" movies
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Jim Thompson reminds me that TNT's broadcast of films includes colorizaton,
loads of commercials, and are indeed cut. He also mentioned "time-compression" -
is that when they speed up a scene instead of cutting it? Could somebody with
some accurate knowledge about this technique please explain how it works.

Also - didn't TNT claim when it first started that it was going to show films
"unedited and uncut"?
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From: Ed Nace <MAHEDN@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
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Subject: Re: _Blade Runner_

It is my understanding that this is just a promo to "celebrate" the 10th
anniversary.  In fact, I don't think there is any difference from the original
release as the running times are exactly the same for the two versions.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:13:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Harrison Ford
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I don't find monotone to be objectionable in the right context - I just
saw the restored CASABLANCA on the big screen and Bogart certainly
walks through most of that role and he's great
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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Subject: Re: KUFFS
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:52:51 GMT

In <01GMWSW1U7S0000FOF@stetson.bitnet> ASTMSIRI@STETSON.BITNET writes:

>i saw KUFFS at the movie theatre and during the first half hour i was constantly
>   on the verge of walking out. after i got through the first half hour or forty
>   -
>five minutes though it picked up. it was an alright movie. i was happy that it
>got better.
>                                        monica


I think that the problem lay in the fact that it couldn't make up it's 
mid whether it was a comedy or a thriller/action.


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From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vincent and Theo

I'd like to second Jennifer's comments ona the film.  One get's a real sense
of madness and the suffering by both brothers as well as a view into history,
the merchandising of art and fashion, and the mores of the time.

You'll never get the feeling you're watching carboard images.

David    accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  //accdak@hofstra
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:23:57 BST
From:         Rob Simpson <robs@CHARLES-CROSS.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK>
Subject:      re: Addressing the camera
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I may be a bit behind on this, but in Goodfellas, the protagonist address the
 camera at the end (courtroom scene).

Rob Simpson
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:27:42 EDT
From:         "W.A. (Bill) Yardy" <YARDY@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject: re: Addressing the camera
              31 Jul 1992 13:20:48 EDT from <THOMPSON_O@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>

On Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:20:48 EDT Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext
>How can anyone forget Matthew Broderick in "Ferris Bullers' Day Off"?
>
>Orlanda
>P.S.  Did anyone here about a sequel?

Didn't Bruce Willis in, you should pardon the expression, 'Hudson Hawk'
address the camera.

And, Lou Costello would play to the camera on occasion.

   ...Bill
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:55:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Sorry if this is a duplication, but it came back "unopened"

From:   CCVMSA::RYAN         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" 13-JUL-1992 10:05:41.23
To:     RYAN
CC:
Subj:   Boomerang Possible Spoilers Ahead


I saw BOOMERANG this weekend.  Eddie Murphy, Halle Berry, David
Alan Griers, The "Cola nut guy" and Eaartha Kitt were great.
Robin Givens and Grace Jones were one dimensional and almost
laughable.

The movie provides A LOT of laughs, and it is great to see Eddie
in a role that is more than just his persona.  One thing about
the film  bothered me though, although not until the ride home.
There are afew caucasians in the film, and only three with
speaking roles.  There are four chippendale -leather clad types
pulling Grace Jones in a chariot, a racist/effeminate men's store
clerk, a ditzy waitress, and a frenchman.  I wondered if I might
be just too sensitive (but can you evere REALLY be TOO sensitive?
;-)  ) but then I remembered one of the funnier exchanges in the
film SPOILER
ALERT************************************************************
***************************************************************


David Alan Griers issaying good night after a first date, and is
saying good night in about 5-6 different languages.  halle Berry
then replies in what sou nds like chinese.  Griers looks back at
her quizzically and she says that it was Korean for:"I didn't
mean to shoot you, I thought you were going to rob my store".  It
got a big laugh but at whose expense?
How well would a joke like this go over if it had been at the
expense of African Americans instead of Asian Americans?

I admit I laughed, but I feel a little guilty as if I were
playing into the perpetuation of overt racism.
Comments?
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:41:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: Serious discussion of cinema
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an oft asked question.

You don't NEED to find it! You already know the name of the list and that
should suffice!

mail listserv@(whereever you want, say auvm.bitnet, like cinema-l)
sub screen-l Your Name

and send it...

The listserv you send to will in most cases KNOW about screen-l, where it is
at, and send your request to the correct listserver. When you start getting
mail, you'll see where to send your posts.

The same goes for FILM-L.

Good luck all!

Steve

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In article <CINEMA-L%92072710110237@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET> writes:
>There is a list which tends to be a bit more focused in its discussion
>of cinema (not that what we don't talk about isn't focused)
>SCREEN-L subscription address is LISTSERV@UA1VM.bitnet or
>LISTSERV@UA1VM.UA.EDU.  Hope this helps.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I have looked for SCREEN-L and couldn't find it,
but I'll keep trying.  -- M. Kerbel
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 14:57:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Dead Again" and "JFK"

>Had the opportunity to finally see "Dead Again" and "JFK" (okay, I'm slow).
>Enjoyed both films very much.  Could anyone give me some other movies along the
>lines of "Dead Again" that I could rent?  What are some of the other movies
>that Kenneth Brauguah (sp?) are in?

Other Branagh films:

Dead Again
Henry V (1989)      *Academy award nomination
High Season
Month in the Country, A
"Billy Trilogy"
"Boy in the Bush"
"Fortunes of War"
"Ghosts"
"Lady's Not for Burning, The"
"Look Back in Anger"
"Strange Interlude"
"To the Lighthouse"

P.S.    Thanks to Scott Huddle for all of his help using the database at
        boulder.colorado.edu!
                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "What's that I smell in the air?
  accgsg@hofstra.bitnet     \  /     The American Dream"
  accgsg@vaxc.hofstra.edu    \/               -Jonathan Pryce (Miss Saigon)
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From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,
              Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      The Icewoman Cometh AGAIN

From the new issue of "Entertainment Weekly" (Friday, July 31):

BACK TO 'BASIC'
Word has it a sequel is already on the way
-Jeffrey Wells

One of THE hot rumors going around Hollywood these days is this:  A _Basic
Instinct_ sequel is in the works, with Sharon Stone reprising her role as the
sexually ravenous, ice-pick wielding femme fatale Catherine Tramell.  But the
original came out in March.  Why a sequel so soon?  Because Carolco Pictures,
which produced the wildly successful _Instinct_ (it has made $110 million
domestically), is too heavily in debt NOT to make it.

Stone and _Instinct_ screenwriter Joe Eszterhas, says one inside source, are
"definitely" committed to the sequel, even though Eszterhas (who got $3
million for the first installment) "wants more money than God."  Stone's fee
hasn't been decided yet either, says the source, despite a printer report that
her agents had negotiated a $7 million deal.

Stone, 34, whose star went ballistic when _Instinct_ became a hit, will go it
alone in the sequel.  San Francisco detective Nick Curran, the character
played by Michael Douglas, "will probably be killed off," adds the source.
Which is fine, since Douglas is both uninterested and very expensive.
Original director Paul Verhoeven, who is said to be working on another
project, the mythical fantasy _Rune_, is also out of the picture.  But Stone
and Eszterhas have already banged out a story line; Stone, explains the
source, "has a lot of ideas and has been involved every step of the way."
---------------

The article goes on, asking a few screenwriters (and one producer) as to how
will _Basic Instinct 2_ play?

Just FYI.

Eugene "Euge" Yee        ###     #      #     ###          yee@dickinson.edu
                     #    #      # #### #      #    #      yee@dickinsn.bitnet
"Life's a        #         #     #      #     #         #
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From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Multi-Spoiler
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On Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:07:36 -0500 MARCI HENDRIX said:
>The Wizard of Oz -- and I thought you were talking TV -- Dallas -- the
>year it was all a dream (which I predicted to everyone's unbelief).  Just
>so you know, those Dallas days of mine have long been over, except I did
>sit and waste 2 hours watching the final pathetic episode.

Oh I don't know...

I hadn't watched Dallas for years and years, but made a point of catching
the final episode.  I'm glad I did, because it was one of the strangest
televisual moments I've ever been lucky enough to see.  I can't explain
why, but I really enjoyed the episode.  But then, over here, we only had
to waste an hour and a half watching it (on the commercial-free BBC).  It
just appealed to my sense of humour, I suppose (whether it was intended
to be a parody is another question--I'm not so sure that they didn't
decide to play it for laughs).

Didn't I hear talk of a Dallas revival?

What has this to do with cinema?  I'm glad you asked, good question.

Next question please...
			Liam.
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     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *   down so hard, it makes your
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lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *   probably in order..."
                                   *        -- Raleigh & Blackadder
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From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Religious nutters...
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>From: Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
>
>If someone will refer me to a movie that might just offend the religious,
>I'll rent it at Blockbuster and check out whether or not it's been cut.
>I'm not overtly religious, offend with some difficulty, and would like to
>know if this IS Blockbuster's policy.  If so, I'm in search of a new
>rental place.

Well, Joan, it may be a bit moot in light of subsequent postings, but
two that come to mind are Scorsese's _Last Temptation of Christ_ and
_Monty Python's Life of Brian_.  Both are really good films.

For the record, I'm a practicing Catholic (one day I'll be good at
it 8-), and would describe myself as mildly religious.  I own both the
films I mentioned.
			Liam.
			====-

PS. Joan, you never told me what you thought of the last episode...???

                                   *"I was under the impression that
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *  it was common maritime practice
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*  for a ship to have a _crew_."
  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, *"Opinion is divided on the subject."
lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *"...Is it?"
                                   *"Yes. All the other captains say
   "I belong to Glasgow...         *   it is... I say it isn't!"
       Dear auld Glesga toon..."   *       -- Blackadder & Captain Rum
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From:         ERICSOPM@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Silent running

SILENT RUNNING has an interesting pedigree. It was the first film directed
by Doug Trumbull, who was a major contributor, at age 22, to the SFX
of 2001. Among the script writers were Michael Cimino and Steven Bochco.
Peter Scheckele (PDQ Bach) did the score. For all that I don't remember it
as a very gripping film -- but it's been 20 years...

I do remember thinking that the 2001 ancestry showed, and that it was a good
example of how Kubrick knew how to orchestrate his forces, and Trumbull
hadn't learned that yet. For instance Kubrick shows very few tight closeups
of the exteriors of space vehicles (many of which Trumbull had made.)
In
SR however, I remember too many lovingly tight shots of the models that
Trumbull was rightly proud of. Kubrick was thinking like an artist, Trumbull
was thinking like a craftsman. Trunbull went on to make BRAINSTORM, which
I consider a key film of the eighties, though far frm smooth and perfect.

As far as people inside robot costumes -- let's not forget the two actors,
one full-sized, the other a little person, who performed those chores
in the STAR WARS movies. Could R2D2 have been one of the same actors who
appeared in SR ?

Phil
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Please put me on your cinema-l mailing list and send confirmation so that I can
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:24:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      peeks in city for conquest
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George, when I said you get two peeks of the first act in CITY FOR CONQUEST
I meant that in TNT's version you get the two peeks I describe - In the uncut
version the first act is quite detailed.
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From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      appreciation for comments on Shining Through and...

To all those concerned,

Thanks for the feedback on Shining Through.  My next question
concerns _Indian Runner_.  (As it was phrased in Ferris Bueler's
Day Off.... Anybody??  Indian Runner??  Anybody??  Thoughts?  Anybody??)

Thanks Again

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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