HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: reynhout@cs.uri.edu
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace,alt.pop.will.eat.itself
Organization: University of Rhode Island, Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.204751.8446@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>>I would like to create alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace.  They aren't my
>>favorite group, and I really don't listen to them that much, but I feel that
>>if Enya deserves her own group, Machines of Loving Grace deserve one too.
>>
>>If this CFD fails, I'll create the groups anyway.  Just like alt.music.enya.
>
>What I'm upset about is the continual creation of specific SPECIFIC interest
>groups under alt.  Someone buys a new album, really likes it, and instead of
>taking it upon themselves to create a MAILING LIST, feels that the entire
>world would benefit from another damn newsgroup.  So they throw it out for
>discussion and when the rest of the world tells them how stupid it is, they
>create it anyway.

   w/r/t alt.music.enya, I don't read rec.music.* simply due
to the volume.  I never saw the CFD.  alt.music.enya appeared, and being a 
fan and all, I subscribed.  Notice that the group is active.  If it fades 
from activity, it can be rmgrouped.  As long as it's active, how can you
possibly have a problem with it?

   w/r/t special-special interest groups... As USENET expands to more and 
more users and gets more and more volume, newsgroups *HAVE* to fragment to
retain readers.  Witness comp.sys.amiga.*
   Why have seperate newsgroups for so many common programming languages?
Because most/all of the articles pertain to only one of them.  There also
exists the general newsgroup for articles that pertain to all or several
different languages.  Why should music be any different?  Sure, it's not
the comp hierarchy, but the same theory applies.  A FORTRAN programmer 
doesn't want to have to wade through lots of discussion of C++ to get to 
things he/she wants to read.  An Enya fan doesn't want to wade through
volumes of discourse on Rush to find interesting stuff either.  In my
case, I quit reading entirely, since the noise was so high.

   alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself SHOULD be created, if there is any reason
to believe that it will be active.  Perhaps alt.music.enya will fade out.
The net allows for that sort of thing.

   Andrew 

PS:  rec.music.gaffa must *really* piss you off, eh?  It's not even an alt
group!  I lurk there too.
-- 
   Andrew <reynhout@cs.uri.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!!
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:51:28 GMT

Somebody posted:

>>>Enya will be on the last 1/2 hour of Good Morning America, USA 
>>>Thursday, April 16, 1992. 

I recorded and later saw the show.  The whole interview was less than
5 minutes, including some excerpts of a video of "Caribean Blue", plus
going over of a lot of information that's been repeated and bent around
many times in this group.  It was nice to see her speak and move not in
a spacy sort of way.

BTW, is all her videos like the excerpt from "Caribean Blue"?  The obvious
lip-synching made it less enjoyable than some others where the motions more
closely matched the songs, but the stop-action presentation of the visual
images kind of makes me sea sick.  I'm not blaspheming, I just didn't find
the video excerpt nor the show enjoyable.  I still like her CDs nonetheless.

eyc

500 overdubs on Orinoco Flow, huh?  awesome!
From: dvberger@remus.rutgers.edu (David Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Clannad Albums...where are they?
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:44:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Ok,

There may be some degree of silliness in this.  But, I live in the NJ/NY 
metropolitan area and am an insanely addicted Enya fan.  In my rage for
additional Enya type music, I have sat and played with the sound effects
on my receiver to make it sound different.  The essence is that I listen
to her music SO much that I beat the hell out of it such that it loses its
impact.  

Anyway, I have heard of Clannad, know of Enya's involvement and have looked
 for their albums (cds) in a quest to satiate my appetite for Enya's music. 
 However, I have never seen them in any store.  So, any ideas?  Does
anyone have a mail order catalog?

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:29:25 GMT

In <1992Apr17.075128.4816@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu) writes:

>Somebody posted:

>BTW, is all her videos like the excerpt from "Caribean Blue"?  The obvious
>lip-synching made it less enjoyable than some others where the motions more
>closely matched the songs, but the stop-action presentation of the visual
>images kind of makes me sea sick.  I'm not blaspheming, I just didn't find
>the video excerpt nor the show enjoyable.  I still like her CDs nonetheless.

   In the Video collection Orinoco Flow and Caribbean Blue use stop-action. 
Exile is the video for the movie L.A. Story, done nicely with exerpts from
the movie along with her singing. Evening falls is black & white, with a
filmy curtain usually in front of the camera. Some footage of Enya singing
into the microphone in her sound room. And the biggest shock of all...
In storms in Africa she's actaully wearing clothes! No increadible dresses
or wrap arounds, actual shirt & stuff clothes! 

   Well, beyond all of this rambling... I like her videos. The stop-action
is a nice touch, it adds to the feel of the song. And, even though the
interview wasn't too good... I GOT TO HEAR HER TALK!!! I never knew what
her voice sounded like, I had only heard her sing. (A friend compared her
voice favorably to Marina Sirtis' on Star Trek:TNG) *sigh* When she figure
out how to go on tour.

	 Frnk! :>   (rec.music.enya? Well, it was a good try.:>
--
_____________________________________________________________________________.
!________Paul Ondercin, owner of "THE MACHINE", a 486 of epic power!__________!
|frnk@bucs1.bradley.edu   frnk@buhub.bradley.edu   frnk@camelot.bradley.edu   |
|frnk@cssun1.bradley.edu  frnk@cssun2.bradley.edu  am417@cleveland.freenet.Edu| 
!_________ponder@heartland.bradley.edu_____________ae198@yfn.ysu.edu__________!
!___Frnkfrnkfrnkfrnkfrnk!!!___|_Just a little penguin that can only say Frnk!_!
!_*YOU* think you've got problems?_Ever worry about being eaten by a walrus?__!
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:14:04 GMT

The following message was recently posted to several groups, including
alt.config and rec.music.newage, but not the infamous alt.music.enya.
Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
in a few days.

In article <1992Apr10.221949.21781@colorado.edu> tim@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Tim Hunter) writes:
>Announcing the Enya mailing list
>
>This list is intended to be discussion of the musical artist enya - her
>music, her musical equipment, and whatever other trivia you can come up
>with (but NOT a debate about her gender!).  This should take some
>pressure off those who are sick of enya on rec.music.newage, and those
>who hope alt.music.enya will go away.
>
>To subscribe, shoot off a mail message to:
>	internet:	enya-request@boulder.colorado.edu
>	or bitnet: 	enya-request@colorado.bitnet
>	or uucp:   	...!{ncar|nbires}!boulder!enya-request
>
>you should get a welcome message soon after you mail enya-request.
>
>The submission addresses are:
>
>Internet:	enya@boulder.colorado.edu
>Bitnet:		enya@colorado.bitnet
>UUCP:		...!{ncar|nbires}!boulder!enya
>
>--------------
>This is a fragile ball we are living on, it's a miracle and we are destroying it
>  Tim Hunter, UnixOps				   tim@refuge.colorado.edu


-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: holtz@netcord.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Holtz)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: The Inevitable Best Enya Song Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:59:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: netcord

In article <1992Apr8.151614.28453@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu
(Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>That's up there, but at the moment I think I'd be torn between "Storms in
>Africa" and "Exile", both off _Watermark_.

Which version of SiA?  They're both awesome, but I like the Gaelic one
better.  (Apparently, some copies of _Watermark_ don't have the extra,
English version of SiA.)
--
Brian Holtz
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: tim@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Tim Hunter)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.220710.18494@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
>Why would you want to send out a rmgroup?
>Having an enya music group was discussed for almost a month in
>rec.music.newage.  Having a enya newsgroup has cut all kind of 
>garbage out of rec.music.newage and I and all the people that
>read alt.music.enya think that it has a valid reason for being in
>existance.

this is only a good excuse if you read rec.music.newage and didn't
like all the enya posts.  to the rest of the net, it's really not
something that needs to exist.  if you took the same philosophy,
there would be many, many more newsgroups than there are.
alt.music.{rush,gnr,metallica,defleppard,u2,etc.,etc}.
As far as I've heard, the ideal plan is to have a mailing list for
any topic that has less than around 500 "subscribers".  In other
words, if a mailing list can't handle it well, it should be a newsgroup.
I will be suprised if there are enough subscribers to bog down this
machine.

>When I proposed a creation of an alt.music.enya in alt.config I was
>going to create the group in a week if I had enough interest.  I
>had a couple of people against it and had dozens of people wanting it
>so I created it.

You're right, that's all that's needed.  News is an anarchy anway.
However, that still doesn't mean that alt.music.enya is a good idea.

Reguardless of what happens, I will probably take you up on the
suggestion you mailed to me, to make a two-way gateway between
the mailing list and the newsgroup.  However, I hope the endless
repetition of the same information within a weeks time will have
died down by then.

Tim
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Hunter                              tim@boulder.colorado.edu
UnixOps/University of Colorado          
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace,alt.pop.will.eat.itself
    <1992Apr10.204751.8446@javelin.sim.es.com> 
    <1992Apr16.020905.13691@cs.uri.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:51:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

>>>I would like to create alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace.  They aren't my
>>>favorite group, and I really don't listen to them that much, but I feel that
>>>if Enya deserves her own group, Machines of Loving Grace deserve one too.

>   alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself SHOULD be created, if there is any reason
>to believe that it will be active.

When I first saw these newgroups come around, I thought they were jokes.
I'm still not sure you're serious...

Dots are not substitutes for spaces in newsgroup names; they indicate
successively more specific discussion topics.  Further, large numbers
of dots in group names translate to large numbers of subdirectories on
unix systems (and probably with most other news packages).  Both of these
group names are tremendously wasteful and will not be carried here.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                       kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                  +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics
                                              Flame early, flame often.
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: jordan@aero.org (Larry M. Jordan)
Subject: Moon Shadows Video, et alia   
Summary: "Storms in Africa" inverted?!
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:30:46 GMT

I recently purchased Enya's video Moon Shadows. I strongly
recommend it.  

I thought there would be more selections from "Shepherd Moons", 
than there are--only "Caribbean Blue" appears from that CD. The
other four--"Orinoco Flow", "Exile", "Storms in Aftica (II?)",
and "Evening Falls..."--are all from Watermark.  I (38) like
"Exile" and "C.B."--my daughter (4!) is most fond of "C.B.".

Here's my question:  Has anyone else noticed that "Storms in
Africa" is "reversed/inverted"?  (Or are the other 4?).
Faces (Teeth) are seldom perfectly symmetrical.  Was
this intended?  Or a mistake in production?

--Larry %)

--------------------------------------------------
All TV is Educational TV in Latin

My favorite show is...

o Spectaculum carissimum est...

  Mission: Impossible	Opus: Quod Fieri Non Potest
 	
  Jeopardy 		Periculum

  The Twilight Zone 	Zona Crepusculi

  Star Trek 		Iter ad Astra

[All selections, except last, from Henry Beard's
 "Latin for All Occasions"]

Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: illusion@buhub.bradley.edu (Jeremy Riley)
Subject: Overdubbing
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:39:14 GMT

On 'Good Morning America', was I correct in hearing that one of Enya's
songs has 500 overdubs?

Also how long did it takes to produce Shepherd Moons?
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: lib1g@rosie.uh.edu (Steve Bonario)
Subject: Second try...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:22:00 GMT

That last message should have started off:

I'm sure every Enya fan has his/her favorite cut.
Mine is the title track from Watermark.
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Miscellanious stuff (was Re: "On Your Shore")
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:47:56 GMT

swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) writes:
>In article <jhopkins.84@cbacc.cba.uga.edu> jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins) writes:
>>
>>In case anyone cares, I'm using "On Your Shore" in my wedding this weekend. 

>I guess "Exile" would be too melancholy for a wedding, eh??  :-)

Not at all.  I used it last June.  :-)

>I wonder what exactly makes her music so powerful to some people?  

I don't know, but it's the first thing I remember in *years* that has both my
parents in agreement for once.  Very bizarre.

Tim Lynch
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>The following message was recently posted to several groups, including
>alt.config and rec.music.newage, but not the infamous alt.music.enya.
>Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
>in a few days.

Why would you want to send out a rmgroup?
Having an enya music group was discussed for almost a month in
rec.music.newage.  Having a enya newsgroup has cut all kind of 
garbage out of rec.music.newage and I and all the people that
read alt.music.enya think that it has a valid reason for being in
existance.

When I proposed a creation of an alt.music.enya in alt.config I was
going to create the group in a week if I had enough interest.  I
had a couple of people against it and had dozens of people wanting it
so I created it.

That is as good as it gets in the alt anarchy so please don't rmgroup
because I will just newgroup it.  

>>This list is intended to be discussion of the musical artist enya - her
>>music, her musical equipment, and whatever other trivia you can come up
>>with (but NOT a debate about her gender!).  This should take some
>>pressure off those who are sick of enya on rec.music.newage, and those
>>who hope alt.music.enya will go away.

As far as I know there are only a few people that read alt.config
that want alt.music.enya to go away, and they whine at just about
anything.

john

Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:29 alt.config:2898
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:24:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.95wj#7p.jrs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr12.035939.21187@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.220710.18494@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>The following message was recently posted to several groups, including
>>>alt.config and rec.music.newage, but not the infamous alt.music.enya.
>>>Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
>>>in a few days.
>>
>>Why would you want to send out a rmgroup?
>>Having an enya music group was discussed for almost a month in
>>rec.music.newage.  Having a enya newsgroup has cut all kind of 
>>garbage out of rec.music.newage and I and all the people that
>>read alt.music.enya think that it has a valid reason for being in
>>existance.
>
>Except that it appears that the newly-set-up mailing list can easily
>handle the traffic of alt.music.enya, and newsgroups dedicated to
>single artists are almost universally frowned upon.

Fine, let the universe do its own thing, but those of us who like this
group should keep it. If you want to keep your mailing list, fine, but
the problem with a mailing list is that it depends on a single server;
mail groups, though, don't have that restriction. This group is doing 
fine - leave it alone.
-- 
John Switzer-Hoek          | "You hear it, you see it, 
(note yuppy hyphenation)   | you want to turn away, but 
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | you CAN'T! It's Ren and Stimpy!"
jrs@netcom.com             | Happy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Joy!
Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:28 alt.config:2897
From: bjorn@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Bjorn Knutsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:16:27 GMT
	<1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu>
	<1992Apr11.220710.18494@julian.uwo.ca>
	<1992Apr12.083521.7628@colorado.edu>
Organization: CS, Uppsala University, Sweden

In article <1992Apr12.083521.7628@colorado.edu> tim@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Tim Hunter) writes:

> As far as I've heard, the ideal plan is to have a mailing list for
> any topic that has less than around 500 "subscribers".  In other
> words, if a mailing list can't handle it well, it should be a newsgroup.
> I will be suprised if there are enough subscribers to bog down this
> machine.

In response to that last sentence, I'd say you're probably right, but not for
the reasons you think. I read alt.music.enya, but I will not subscribe to the
mailinglist for the simple reason that I don't want to have my mailbox filled
with news-type messages. Mail is for personal messages to me, sometimes urgent.
I don't want to wade through hundreds of messages just to find that letter I've
been waiting for. I read mail every time I log in, but I read news only when I
have time to spare.

Besides, the software I'm using to read news does a much better job of keeping
track of discussions that my mail software. I could of course get mail software
that handles news better, but that seems like a silly thing to do.
--
Bjorn Knutsson <bjorn@bern.docs.uu.se>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: sasdbh@fly.unx.sas.com (David Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Clannad Albums...where are they?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:38:01 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasdbh@fly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1327

In article <Apr.14.01.44.09.1992.27058@remus.rutgers.edu>, dvberger@remus.rutgers.edu (David Berger) writes:
|> Anyway, I have heard of Clannad, know of Enya's involvement and have looked
|>  for their albums (cds) in a quest to satiate my appetite for Enya's music.
|>  However, I have never seen them in any store.  So, any ideas?  Does
|> anyone have a mail order catalog?

I have a mail order catalog from Noteworthy Music (800-648-7972 US & Canada).
They have the following Clannad CD's:

  Macalla       RCA 8063 .A   $9.20
  Past Present  RCA 9912      10.71
  Sirius        RCA 6846 .A    9.20

They also have Enya's three albums (Enya-$9.21, Shepherd Moons-11.98,
Watermark-11.98).  Noteworthy charges 3.75 postage (1-5 cd's, not per cd, but total),
and then it only goes up .25 for every 5 you order above that, so it's best to order
several at one time.  Usually some friends and I go in together to spread the
postage costs.

ps.  I have no stake in Noteworthy, financial or otherwise.  I've just been a
very satisfied customer.  They have been very prompt and responsive.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Horne               SAS Institute Inc.      (919) 677-8000 x6199
Quality Assurance        SAS Campus Drive        Rm. V422
sasdbh@unx.sas.com       Cary, NC 27513
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: Overdubbing
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:07:41 GMT

In <1992Apr16.203914.17727@bradley.bradley.edu> illusion@buhub.bradley.edu (Jeremy Riley) writes:

>On 'Good Morning America', was I correct in hearing that one of Enya's
>songs has 500 overdubs?
   She was talking about Orinoko Flow. After that, they stopped counting. :>

>Also how long did it takes to produce Shepherd Moons?
   Four or Five Years... *sigh* three more to go 'till the next one!

	 Frnk! :>
--
_____________________________________________________________________________.
!________Paul Ondercin, owner of "THE MACHINE", a 486 of epic power!__________!
|frnk@bucs1.bradley.edu   frnk@buhub.bradley.edu   frnk@camelot.bradley.edu   |
|frnk@cssun1.bradley.edu  frnk@cssun2.bradley.edu  am417@cleveland.freenet.Edu| 
!_________ponder@heartland.bradley.edu_____________ae198@yfn.ysu.edu__________!
!___Frnkfrnkfrnkfrnkfrnk!!!___|_Just a little penguin that can only say Frnk!_!
!_*YOU* think you've got problems?_Ever worry about being eaten by a walrus?__!
Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:66 alt.config:3008
From: davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:10:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.enya
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Well ... I just found this group and thought it was interesting. I just dis-
covered Enya when I heard  "Caribbean Blue" on the radio and went out and 
bought the "Shepherd Moons" CD ... love it. Nice and relaxing ... (haven't 
heard so many songs in foreign languages and foreign titles on one album though
... :) ) Nice stuff though.

But the real reason why I'm writing this is to say:

Isn't this silly flamewar about whether or not to have a newsgroup rather 
silly? I mean, I'd rather read about Enya than reading about whether or not a news-
group that's already here and established should exist or not. I'm sure I'm
not the only one, so like c'mon guys, take it somewhere else. It's getting 
old.
Buddy, KB5ELV
davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config