From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:28:41 AET
Distribution: world
Organization: UCQ

In article <1992Dec29.203201.45959@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.103258.13155@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, 
>>salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>>....... (deleted)...
> 
>   I agree old habits die hard. But, Mustafa the Asim Mughal's Donkey, is a
>   swine (oooooooppppppppps !) who has himself admitted that he modifies e-mails
>   of persons and send them  to MSA net - by modifying it first. He does not 
>   know that there are people around him who constantly watch him. Actually 
>   coming from a Mohajir family  (basically a family of mentally handicapped 
>   persons) he knows no decency.
> 
>   He will soon get his "reward" - in front of his Islamic brothers.
>  
    What I see on the net is a victimized Mustafa Ibrahim. I am surprised
that you a self proclaimed good samaritan, have lined up with the people who
are so abusive of MI. I suppose you are a great admirer of Jesus Christ (PBUH).
Just admiration is not enough, a bit of following will be good. Remember, He
always stood with the sinners, prostitutes, the out casts, the poor, the
destitutes, ... . I think MI is the out cast of the net. Please, don't take
this as an advice/lesson but a reminder from your brother.

>>>>..... (deleted).........
>>> 
>> .......(deleted).......
> 
>    Yes, I am quite fascinated by mathematical descriptions ! Is it pagan ?
      I appreciate that you fascinate mathematics. I myself am a mathematical
physicist. :-|)

>    Your innuendos against Hawking are merely stupid. Needless to say, please

    I think you are not in touch with the mainstream mathematical physicists.
His work is well disputed though he has done some good work. The trumpet of his
credibility is blown out of proportion to sell his book, "A brief history ...".
It was money making business.

>    go thru' the posting of Milind Saraph (where he quotes Pervez Amirali
      I have read it. That is irrelevant.

>    Hoodbhoy). Muhammad (570-632 A.D) made some simplistic observations on the
>    issue of day and night and etc. . But, they were nothing great. Following 
>    Muhammad, much later in the 17th century, Jules Verne visualized a very
>    advanced world - most of which were unheard of in his time. Now, comparing
>    Muhammad and Jules Verne's capabilities of visualizing the future, whom do
>    you think a rational person should praise ?????   
> 
     It is not the matter of the vision of the future. I have insisted on the
point that Dr.B's work is NOT a "proof" of the divine nature of the Quran. It
is a personal testimony. It just happened to be that Dr.B is a scientist and
his testimony carries the scientific notions. He appreciates the scientific
aspects of the Quranic description of nature because he is a scientist, just
as a poet inspired by the poetic aspects of the Quran will elaborate on that.
A theologian will admire the theologically sound doctrines of the Quran.
The general impression that science is out side the Quranic domain is a myth.
And that is what Dr.B has pointed out. Dr. B is not the only scientist who
has talked about God and religion in term of science. He is much criticised
because his references are to the Quran. A famous Australian theoretical
physicist Paul Davies does the samething except that he associates with the
"western theology" and is praised for that reason. His book "The mind of God"
has won the UREKA prize.


>    Regarding your desparate and fanatical attempts to dismiss Hawking's work
>    by quoting some fictionary scientist, I will only have to say that it is
>    *exactly* because of Islamic fundamentalists like you, that the world will
>    see much sorrow. This is typical mentality resembles what led to the total
>    destruction of many developed civilizations and in recent times is the root
>    cause of warring factions in the mid-east and Europe.
> 

     I don't understand why you take Hawking's work as the gospel truth. I 
didn't refer to any fictionary scientist. That discussion was broadcasted by
ABC in its program "Compass" very recently. Don't call me a Islamic
fundamentalist, call me a fundamentalist because I believe in the fundamental
of life i.e., a good healthy discussion with a good healthy person, like
you. :-|)

>    With a person of such a bovine intellect as yours, no arguments are at all
>    needed.

I could say,"Bovine yourself", but I wouldn't. :-|)

> 
>> 
>>      It is reason which led Dr.B to his conclusions, that is the beauty of
>> his work. It is not a vain attemp to prove the validity of the Qur'an on
>> the merits of science as you might speculate.
>>
>     Ah well ! Islamic apologists like yourself will say that. No wonder ! 
>
    Don't call me Islamic apologist, call me apologist because I don't 
hesitate to apologise for my mistakes. :-|)

 
>>>   Actually this a fad. Trying to christen religious texts/ scriptures in the
>>>   holy waters of Quantum Theory/ Maxwell's Equations etc. is a game some just
>>>   want to play. They know such efforts will sell well. BTW, are u' an agent
>>>   of Dr.B - trying to publicize his book ?
>>>  
>>     You can get that book from any Islamic center. (free of charge i suppose).
>>
> 
>      NO ! I do not want to get any Islamic literature - when most of them
>      advocate annihilation. I am sorry, but, that's exactly what the texts
>      contain - and the proof is abundant. Open a newspaper and you find what
>      is going on. The "gloriest" example is Somalia.
> 
     Don't deviate from the main topic, Somalia or any other political pit
is not what we are discussing. Right?

 
> 
>>     It will be interesting to see a "mathematical theory of Islam", by D.
>> Chatt.
>> 
>      You know what ? My innermost feelings tell me that Islam cannot be 
>      understood by logic. All that Islam has done or the manner in which
>      Islam has been shown to the world is: demolish anything that does not
>      agree with Islamic faith. (Read the 1990 Amnesty International Report.)

     Ah! Amnesty International!! This is the organisation which finds all the
horrors and terrors in the third world and muslim countries and the perfect
peace and harmony in the first world. A typical of western prejudice. I never
heard any thing from AI on Bosnia.


> 
>> 
>>    Salam.
>>    ( a mathematical physicist)
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>     8-) Don't kid yourself. Abdus Salam is a "freak" Pakistani genius.
> 
    You may call Prof. Abdus Salam whatever you like, thats' your problem but
it doesn't change the fact that I am a mathematical physicist.


>         You are a goddamn moron who does not hesitate to denigrate Hawking.

         And you "worship" him.
> 
>   - deb chatterjee
>   (a good samaritan)

    Salam
    (means peace)

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