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From: dawn1@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (dawn.e.howe)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lyme disease shots a good idea?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:25:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsd.1992Nov6.162535.17977
Organization: AT&T

From article <BxAuru.K1D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by maryd@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (M.Dugan):
> When Cassi was getting her yearly shots a few weeks ago, the vet
> asked if I wanted him to give her the shot for lyme disease.  I
> decided not to for now; we'll reconsider in the Spring.
> 
> What do you think?  It's not cheap, and if it's not necessary I'd
> rather not.  Although there are lots of deer around the small town we
> live in, she is a total homebody.  She is never in the woods--we get
> our exercise in an empty field behind the house.  The vet said he
> strongly recommends it for dogs that spend time in places where there
> are certain to be deer (e.g., on the riverbank), but he only offers
> it as an option to pups like mine.
> 
> Opinions?
> 

The first time you pull a tick off her, you'll be relieved she's
protected.  Even though I sprayed our dog with flea & tick spray before
we went in the woods last weekend, she came home with 2 ticks.  We
thought that the snow and cold weather northern Wisconsin has seen
would have killed them off by now.  I was *very* glad our dog has the booster.

Dawn Howe
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:05:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

iA friend locked an AMStaff in the bathroom once and he not only
chewd thru the floor and carpet, but also ripped the door off its
hinges! The whole bathroom had to be re-done !!

(good thing they weren't gone long enough for him to start on the
porcelain...)


Donna
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Chris Barnes writes:
> I DID NOT say untrainable (as in totally).  I did say
> unable to train to the point to get results.

You are invited to clarify the difference.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cocker Spaniel - Looking for Info.
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:09:30 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <1dc2m4INNc9u@agate.berkeley.edu> desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza) writes:
>
>This months we might be moving into a house (if we get a loan) and
>my daughter is close to realize her biggest dream of all - To have 
>a DOG!

Yeah!

>We are going through the procedure of choosing the breed. We got books
>(with wonderful pictures!) and she is leaning towards a Cocker Spaniel,
>but in some conversations I had with friends at work, they tell me that
>Cockers are the most STUPID dogs you can get!

Beamer is still barking mad.  He heard this and almost lost his lunch.
Anyway, cockers are the smallest of the sporting breeds.  That means they
were breed to do something, contrary to many who think of them as lap dogs
of the rich and famous of the 19th century.  The real problem is the extreme
overbreeding of poor quality cockers in America in the last 50 years.  You 
will find lines of cockers out there that are really aggresive and bite alot
and you will find lines of cockers out there that are not easily trained.
If you find a good breeder who knows what they are doing and can tell you all
about the history of the mother and the father then you  will find an extremely
intelligent dog who will love you and your family like no other.  They are
fun to train and are good in obedience.  They were originally breed to do that.

>Is this really true ? What is the general opinion people here have about
>cockers ? Does anybody know a good breeder in the Bay Area ?

I can't specificly help you here but you may want to contact these people:

American Spaniel Club, Inc.
	Secretary, Mrs. Margaret M. Ciezkowski
	846 Old Stevens Creek Rd
	Martinez, GA 30907-9227

English Cocker Spaniel Club of America, Inc.
	Secretary, Mrs. Kate D. Romanski
	P.O. Box 252
	Hales Corners, WI 53130
(The differences between the American and English Cocker Spaniel used to be 
almost nill but that may not be the case anymore.)
Hope this helps,
Mike


-- 
| Michael Buening	    We are not inheriting the earth from our |
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu  parents, we are borrowing it from our    |
|		 	    children" -- Saw it on a shirt, author   |
|					 unknown		     |
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Date: 10 Nov 1992 20:24:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Keywords: uh oh

In article <1992Nov10.112626.10101@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
>	This is a true story.. and the owner of the puppies concerned
>	has not *yet* turned them into Golden Retriever-skin floor rugs
>
>	One of my friends last week was out rowing, having parked his car 
>	with the 2 Golden 6 month old boys Dover and Marcus in situ.
>
>	He was gone for approximately 2 hours. On his return, not only had
>	the puppies locked the doors, and chewed the car seat covers
>	but they had EATEN the dashboard and literally destroyed it.
>
>	The steering wheel was down to the bare metal, the plastic of
>	the dash pulled off.. and the wiring pulled out....
>
>	If the puppies had hit one of the live wires it could have been r
>	eally nasty... but they survived the experience (so far).. 
>	but the car cost $2000 to repair.......
>
>
>	Anyone else got puppy-chewing horror stories I can console him
>	with????
>
>
	Well, not to be unsympathetic, but I would expect two 6-month old
Golden (or any other breed) puppies to destroy a car when left loose in it
for two hours.  Puppies have to learn how to behave in cars just like
anywhere else.  I recommend crating the dogs when they are in the car to
prevent their damaging the car or killing themselves.  

-=lizalee

--
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcnc!fns-nc1.fns.com!vib (Victor Bur)
Subject: Dog Sports Magazine
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:33:59 GMT

Some time ago (between two and three months back) on this group I saw a
reference to the Dog Sports Magazine.  

At that point I wasn't interested and didn't pay much attention to it.
What was an opinion(s) about that magazine?

Also, would someone be so kind to provide an address or the telophne
number for subscription?

Please post or e-mail.

Best regards.
Victor
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Limits on mumber of dogs one can own.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:30:31 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In Jackson, MS there are petitions going around to stop a possible
law going into affect concerning the number of dogs a person
may own here in the city.  I believe that number is three.
The reason for the bill is to stop the "back-yard breeding" and
the inhumane treatment of dogs when people own more than they 
can financially take care of.  At the same time, it restricts
those of us who have more sense and love to take in more than we
can possibly take care of.  

I guess I have mixed feelings on it.  While I think it is good to
stop the people who cannot and will not take care of their animals
and have too many, and who breeed because they think they might
can make a quick buck or two, it also takes away the right for
people who CAN and WILL take care of and be responsible for
their pets.

Anyone else?

Suzanne

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rdurant@rdurant.mentorg.com (Rich Durant)
Subject: Re: Deaf-Dalmation needs home!
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:38:01
Distribution: jadpc2
Organization: engr

> In article <9211110641.AA2025@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>
>     The deafness in Dalmations is not the same as deafness in humans.
>   Deaf humans for the most part have ear problems alone.  Deaf
>   Dalmations have a nerve condition that is degenerative.  It start out
>   with simple deafness, progressing into brain degeneration.  This dog's
>   brain is already fried.
What!? Where do you get this information from? I have a deaf Dalmatian
that's 2 years old and in perfect health. His training level is such
that no one ever realizes he's deaf unless I tell them. He's becoming
a better and more reliable pet all the time. Hardly a sign of brain
degeneration. 

>
--
Rich           rich_durant@mentorg.com
              | Mentor Graphics Corp  | Phone: 503-685-7000
              | 8005 SW Boeckman Road |
              | Wilsonville, OR 97070 |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: xclass@nw3669.b30.ingr.com (Nancy Wiggins)
Subject: INFO ON BICHON FRISE
Organization: Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:21:21 GMT

I live in an apartment and I'm thinking of getting a puppy.  Until yesterday
I was pretty-much determined to get another poodle.  (I had a mini poodle
for 17 years.  He died seven years ago and I still miss him.)  However,
yesterday I was introduced to an eight-week old bichon frise.  I was told
that they are a little smaller than mini poodles and they do not shed.  The
issue of not shedding is very important to me.  This is a new idea for me
and I was interested in getting some first-hand info from other bichon frise
owners or anyone who knows about them.  I am new to the network and I would
appreciate some good advice.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:03:05 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: new doggie help (separation anxiety)
Comment-To: Kathleen_M._Lau@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Well, you do kinda have a problem there.  This is not going to be an
easy one.  You have a responsibility to maintain the peace.  The dog
Cannot be barking and whining all day.  Conversely, it is not fair to
you to ransom off the condition of your own home to keep him quiet
while you are out.  That dog should be in a crate while you are gone. 

  Tying dogs for extended periods is wrong.  So we are left with the
dog in the crate whining all day and bugging the neighbors.  Don't
count on the noise stopping.  It is possible that this dog was
abandoned because it was making a fuss all day, and getting the owners
into trouble.  
  What to do?  Many apartment dogs are debarked.  They still make a
noise, but it doesn't carry as far.  If it were mine, I'd debark the
dog, see to it that it got a Lot of excersize, and leave the radio on
when I was out.  The dog would definitely stay in the crate while I
was out.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: virginia@walkinghorse.nrl.navy.mil (Virginia DeGiorgi)
Subject: Re: Search and Rescue
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:06:13 GMT

In article <2284.1081.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>  
gordon.needham@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gordon Needham)  writes:
> I have been looking at this conference for awhile now and have seen alot
> of information on Rescue groups.  Looking at them further I noticed that
> they are trying to rescue dogs from destruction. (Good Job)
> 
> Are there any dog owners that are involved in SEARCH & RESCUE ?
> 
> Later
> Gordon Needham ... Edmonton
> 
> ---
>  . SLMR 2.1a . Search and Rescue Dog Association of Alberta
>              
yes
my husband and i were members of a group in maryland but are currently  
switching to a sister group in virginia. despite the fact that we live in  
maryland the drive time for response/training is actually less for virginia -
one of the wonders of the area around d.c.

please e-mail me directly for information and general discussion

thanks

virginia degiorgi

virginia@walkinghorse.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:58:04 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Promise Training collar
Comment-To: Kathy_Hare_-_DCS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Kathy, How can you possibly trust a dog who has bitten you in the
Face?!!!!
  Your dog is supposed to be your loving friend and companion.  You
are supposed to be able to Trust your own dog.
Dogs are supposed to have an inhibition from biting Any human.  Any
bite is an extreme act on the part of a dog.
  You Must have more respect for yourself than to overlook this
heinous act.  Your dog isn't badly trained.  He's a monster.  Have the
vet put him down.  You don't have to put up with this kind of thing! 
There are wonderful gentle dogs who are put down daily because there
are no homes for them.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: I'm back
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:51:14 GMT

In article <Bx7E75.MEy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>
>
>A little update on
>Miami for you guys.  Miami is still in shambles.  Holmstead really
>got hit bad.   Some people are still in hotels until their houses get
>built.  (that over 9 weeks and still counting).  I guess that the
>shelters in the area are really overfilled with lost dogs and cats.
>I saw three roaming dogs in the Miami Beach area alone.  No collars,
>No tags, no way to identify the owners.

>Marla Belzowski

When the Yankee Weimaraner Club met last weekend for its annual
Halloweim party, we decided to give $100 to each of 5 south Florida
dog clubs.  It's not enough, but it's something.  Are other clubs
doing this, too?

Barry
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Pooch Security
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 14:22:30 -0400

In <1992Nov6.165413.19800@b30.ingr.com>, G. Scott Downey writes:

>	The person who will do the tatooing was suggested
>by my vet.  She requires that the tatoo begin with "NDR"
>to alert people to which registry this dog is registered.
>Good idea.  My question is, what do I do for the rest of
>the tatoo?  How long do I make it?
the usual ndr tatto is the owner's social security number.  if you put "ndr"
be sure to register with ndr.(i can look up the address but your tattooer
should have it).  one registration is $35 last i heard and lasts for your 
lifetime and any future dogs you have.

>	I've never done this before, so if any of you have
>advice or words of encouragement, please send them A.S.A.P.
>They said that I'd have to bring some people with me to hold
>him down.  Is this going to hurt him? :(  Yikes!  I don't 
>think I could stand it if he was hurt.
as my tattoer says, you have to hold them down because they have to keep
still in an awkward position and it's the restraint they dislike, not the 
tattoing, which they don't seem to mind.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:00:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I have a question.  I took my almost five year old Pembroke
Welsh Corgi to obedience classes.  We finished four of the 
eight classes.  He did very well and he has learned nicely to
sit, stay, and heel.  However, he refused to down.  This
doesn't bother me because I wasn't interested in showing him.
All I wanted was a better behaved dog.  However, he still
barks to beat the band when the doorbell rings (or if the tv
sounds like a door bell), when the telephone rings and he
jumps on people and ignores me complete when he's told not 
to.  Are there classes in behavior modification which is what I
think he needs rather than obedience.  There must be others out there
who would prefer this to obedience training which seems to be
directed more toward showing dogs or having them in obedience
trials.

Thanks for any help.

Evelyn
-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh oh
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:26:26 GMT

	This is a true story.. and the owner of the puppies concerned
	has not *yet* turned them into Golden Retriever-skin floor rugs

	One of my friends last week was out rowing, having parked his car 
	with the 2 Golden 6 month old boys Dover and Marcus in situ.

	He was gone for approximately 2 hours. On his return, not only had
	the puppies locked the doors, and chewed the car seat covers
	but they had EATEN the dashboard and literally destroyed it.

	The steering wheel was down to the bare metal, the plastic of
	the dash pulled off.. and the wiring pulled out....

	If the puppies had hit one of the live wires it could have been r
	eally nasty... but they survived the experience (so far).. 
	but the car cost $2000 to repair.......


	Anyone else got puppy-chewing horror stories I can console him
	with????


	Amanda J. MacKinnell
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:51:04 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Cracked Tooth, what to do?
Comment-To: Tracy_Sharp@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Unless you are Made of money, I would have this tooth extracted on
any dog except a dog currently being shown, or a working police or
protection dog.  He's 10, and still has Lots of teeth.  He will begin
to lose teeth over the next couple of years anyway.  Don't take it to
heart.  It's life.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:05:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Rottweiler adoption success story
Comment-To: Robert_Ankeney@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Congratulations on the fine job you're doing with your new Rottie. 
You are providing him with everything he needs, especially that
training.  He sounds like a very happy dog now, and you guys sound
happy with him.
  A chew toy suggestion is the cow hooves.  They are sold in pet
stores for about a dollar each, are fun for dogs, and last a very long
time.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Stopping greyhound track
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:19:40 GMT

OK, That's two posts that consider dog racing to be disgusting or
words to that effect.  I'm unfamiliar with the sport.  Educate me.

What is disgusting or undesirable about it?  Are the dogs
mistreated?  If not, what is the problem with permitting a dog to
do what it was bred for?  Granted, that, in a sense, this is an
artificial version of what they were bred for, of what the breed
was developed for, but not much more so than field trials for bird
dogs.

Let's have some specifics from those of you who are saying that
there's something wrong with dog racing.  Tell those of us who
don't know specifically what it is.  Thank you for your
indulgence.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: fleas
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:44:07 GMT
Keywords: Pro-Spot

In <7453@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bernardr@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Bernard J Rate) writes:

>We have a flea problem that flares up every summer and drives our 6 dogs nuts,
>which of course drives us nuts also. So we have been treating them with Pro-Spot with some success. That is, they stop scratching and biting themselves. My 
>question is, is this stuff safe? It contains Fenthion which is described as:
>"A Cholinesterase Inhibitor" What's going on?

I don't know anything about Pro-Spot, but we used to have a real problem
with fleas year round (I live in South Florida).  We have a Lab-Shepherd
and 4 kitties and we were ALL miserable.  I finally tried a treatment
called PEST-X.  It's a once-a-year carpeting and upholstery treatment in
powder form that's sprinked on and worked in with an electric brush.  It
takes about 30-45 days until all the fleas are gone, but then THEY ARE
OUTTAHERE!  Before I used it, I had the house and yard sprayed every
month and the kids were still getting them.  It's hard to tell with
Raven, being a black dog, but the cats were infested.  I'll comb out
40-50 fleas every week.  Now, not a single one and it's been 6 months.

The powder is basically Borax with a sticky substance in it which sticks
to the flea when it jumps off the pet to make its home in the carpeting.
When it tries to clean itself (hard to imaging a flea cleaning itself!)
the stuff gums up their system and they die.  This treatment is guaranteed
for a full year, and totally non-toxic to humans or pets.

PEST-X is probably the name of the pest control service, not the stuff
itself.  Sears advertised something like it, but check your Yellow Pages
(the phone book, not the computer application :->) under Pest Control
for a service which offers once-a-year flea treatment.  The only 
requirement for the guarantee is that you don't shampoo the carpeting
for the full year.

Good luck!

Shari (Raven's Mom) Bernhard
Also step-mom to Gray-One, White-One, Little-One, and Cassandra
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: aavso@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Tom Quesinberry)
Subject: Christmas Puppy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lewis Research Center/NASA
Date: 12 Nov 1992 11:15 EST  

Last year, around Christmas time, someone posted an artical discribing
what Christmas Morning is like to a new puppy (from the dog's 
perspective). If someone saved it, could they send me a copy or
post it again?

Thanks In Advance.
				Quiz

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