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From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      WAR!!!
              8 Oct 1992 20:27:41 BST from "(John Smyth)"
              <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>

From:  Mary Shaffer



I've seen both "Paths of Glory" and "Oh! What a Lovely War!" and they are
among my all-time favorite films. So glad to hear someone else liked OWALW.
I saw it when it first came out -- during an anti-war moratorium in the late
1960s -- but could never find anyone else who had seen/heard of it. I looked
for it on video for a long time and then it finally surfaced on A&E and I
taped it for posterity. It is actually based on a musical/stage play. I have
the original soundtrack albums (LPs, no less) for both the movie and the play.
I bought them after seeing the movie so I guess you can call them antiques!
Anyway, glad to hear you liked it. Hope others on the list get a chance to
see this little known gem which I believe was Attenborough's directorial debut
as well. Great stuff.

Thanks,
Mary
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Come to think of it, Ellen, HENRY V is one of my favorites, too.  I've yet
to see Olivier's version, though it's on cassette somewhere, taped from the
tube.  Probably should watch it; would make me appreciate Branagh's variant
achievement even more.  Next week we're having a screening at my university
for a mass of students from western civ. and Shakespeare classes, and I'm
looking forward to discovering their reactions to this very contemporary Henry..
   ..
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:36:38 -0400
From:         "(Ens Alexander W Ellermann)" <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Weekend Film Festival

The scene:
        Saturday night.  The last ray of sunlight has disappeared.  A greasy,
irritable, jumpsuit-clad Alex Ellermann comes drooping across the porch, drops
his tools in the foyer, and announces, "Well, hon, I'm about 70 percent done."
        "Uhh, Alex," my long suffering wife asks, "Wasn't this job supposed
to only take a few hours?"
        "Yes, Van, thank you.  I'll be taking my shower now."

        In other words, so much for heading up to D.C. for the Latin American
film festival.  Next time, I'll just take my car to the garage & pay the man.
Sorry to all those awaiting a report.

        RE: Denholm Elliot:   :_-(

        BTW:  Just wound up staying at home & renting _Modern Times_.  If you
haven't seen it for a while, take another look.  Turned my mood right around &
had me roaring in no time!
                                                All for now,
                                                        Alex
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:56:31 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican movies--help!
              8 Oct 1992 07:15:57 CDT from <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:15:57 CDT Carol Slingo said:
>The Chicago Film Festival is showing 3 films by Jaime Humberto Hermosillo.
>I know about HOMEWORK/LA TAREA but what is FORBIDDEN HOMEWORK (same story,
>appears to have been made at the same time--C.F.F. handouts notoriously
>unhelpful).  Is it part two of a two-part film, or a commentary on the
>first, or what?
>
>If you have any information, please share.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carol Slingo

Carol--La tarea is the feature film version of Forbidden Homework which was
an experiment in video production by Hermosillo.  I just read about the genesis
of how Forbidden Homework was the starting point for La tarea in an interview
with Hermosillo but the source presently escapes me (never answer questions on
a Friday afternoon!).  If I remember it, I'll post the info. on Cinema-L.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:17:39 -0400
From:         "(Ens Alexander W Ellermann)" <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      More War

Excuse me if I missed it, but is _My What a Lovely War_ avail-
able on video?
                                            Thanks!
                                            --Alex
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 13:45:40 EDT

In article <9210071523.AA00775@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca>
"(Steve X. Portigal)" <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA> writes:
>
>  Oh come Michael! You are being challenged here in terms of what is sexism
>or what you view to be sexism in film. Don't just comment on the style of
>the challenge, that's juvenile. Respond to the content.
>
>I would have responded to the content if he had responded to the points I had
made.  I wasn't finding sexism "everywhere," but I was trying to make some
observations about several specific  films.  I didn't see any arguments
about the specific points I had made.  Exactly who is being juvenile?
I would like to reiterate one point, for those who have (probably wisely)
missed the previous posts: in my opinion, the Best Picture Awards to KRAMER VS.
KRAMER (1979) and ORDINARY PEOPLE (1980) are very significant. These back-to-
back honors at the end of the decade show that after ten years or more of the
women's movement (arguably THE most important social movement of the century),
Hollywood responded by producing, then singling out for top honors, two dramas
about very strong women that reinforced very negative attitudes about strong
women. Again, I wasn't finding  sexism everywhere, only in films such as THE
STING, CUCKOO'S NEST, ROCKY and the two mentioned above.  I would love to read
some reasonable arguments about these films.  --MK
 
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:28:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: more Laurie stuff

>>I assume you have all the Wooster and Jeeves episodes...
>
>Hugh Laurie's glorious wake-up-with-a-hangover scene in the first
>episode has achieved cult status in these parts. It's considered
>a sort of exemplary tale about a very important social skill
>in a small, dipsomaniacal college town.
>
>kjf

Now, now, Ken,

        I've been to Oneonta and it's no more dipsomaniacal than
any of the BIG SUNY campuses...like Plattsburgh, Potsdam, Oswego...
it's probably just the altitude that makes people act that way -
all SUNY colleges seem to be built on hills...

                        Sue
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:02:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      foreign film

I have found the best way to watch the presidential debates - Turn the
sound off your TV and listen on the radio - There's about a 1/4 second
delay so it looks like you're watching a foreign movie and the whole
thing seems a lot more intellectual, almost artistic
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:41:13 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies

  I'm probably going to regret getting involved in this in the morning, but
may I suggest that finding sexism everywhere has about the same effect as
finding it nowhere?  Either way, one is liable to miss the really egregious
offenses (like slasher films) and let others pass that should not go
unchallenged (like Thelma and Louise, which by Michael Kerbel's criteria is at
least as sexist as anything else on the Best Picture list).
  The more concise and less polite way of putting this is to say that IMO,
Michael probably wouldn't recognize a sexist movie if it sneaked up behind
him and bit him on the rump.
                                          Rob Rosenthal
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:58:52 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Denholm Elliott filmography

REPLY TO 10/13/92 15:55 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Re: Denholm Elliott filmography

It strikes me, Denholm Elliott must have been one of the most
sought-after character actors ever.  What an impressive filmography!
The quality and quantity are staggering.  Jennifer

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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     09-Oct-1992 01:47pm DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: RE: Americas Film Festival

Currie,

The one about On the Trail of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid sounds
fascinating.  Maybe you could do a field trip, see the film, and report back to
us on Monday (looks like it's playing tomorrow night)?

Anita
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:51:12 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Denholm Elliot

British actor Denholm Elliot died last week of an AIDS related
illness.  In a long, and distinguished career, he always seemed to play
the supporting character, and would often steal the show.  He is perhaps
best remembered by modern movie audiences for his parts in _Trading Places_
and _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade_.

			Liam.
			====-
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:40:38 CST
From:         "Dick Clawson, S.J." <CLAWSON@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Malcom X

Hi,
  I just returned from seeing Malcom X, a work copy, and unfortunately I am
morally obliged not to review it in a public forum.  What I can say is that it
currently runs 3hrs. 11min. without end credits.  If anyone has any questions,
feel  free to       e-mail me at CLAWSON@LOYNOVM  or CLAWSON@LOYNO.EDU

RDC,SJ
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Date: 14 Oct 92 19:59:52 GMT
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Ditto for me here about your review.  Keep 'em coming!

Susan
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Subject: Re: Basic Instinct
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:48:22 GMT
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              Purrvert" at Oct 15, 92 8:57 am

>
> Is this [Basic Instinct] out on video yet?
>
> Eugene "Euge" Yee        ###     #      #     ###          yee@dickinson.edu
>

Saw the regular version in the video stores yesterday, what
about the unrated version?

BTW: I've watched about half of _Husbands and Lovers_ and
was surprised at how good it was, much better than those
stupid Zalman King movies. I tried to watch _Red Shoe Diaries_
and it was just terrible.

_______________________________________________________________________________
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Austin, Texas                                          - Confucius
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:35:23 BST
From:         "(John Smyth)" <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      WAR!!!

From: Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>Actually, I saw OH WHAT A LOVELY WAR way back during the height of the
>Vietnam War - There was a free showing at the Paris Theater off of
>Central Park - It was sponsored by the radio station WNEW - I
>liked it a lot at the time -haven't seen it since

I'd imagine the anti-war message of OH WHAT A LOVELY WAR
had a much greater impact at a time when young  men were going
away to fight. It's interesting that many portrayals of Vietnam
today (films, documentaries) are accompanied by music that
seem to represent confusion, anguish or plain condemnation of
the war. The only Vietnam movie that featured the same sort
of upbeat soundtrack  as OWALW was Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket".
The happy nonsense of "These boots were made for walking" and
the "Mickey Mouse" song contrasted sharply with the misery
and fear of the soldiers, in much the same way as in
OH WHAT A LOVELY WAR.
                      The only conflict I can remember
(other than the Gulf War) is the invasion of the Falklands.
Very little drama has been produced about this conflict,
certainly nothing jingoistic. The BBC made 'Tumbledown',
which told the true story of a Marine wounded on the day before
the Argentinians surrendered, and his difficulties readjusting to
civilian life afterwards. I don't think anything else has been screened.

Any opinions, comments.......?
                                 John
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>From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
>I have to agree with George and Ellen in their analysis of Spileberg's
>career - I think that he had only two or three really moving films in him -
>JAWS and the TV movie DUEL (I think that's what it's called) - Everything
>else depended far more on hype than interesting film making

What about The Color Purple?  I thought it was pretty good, although I hear
that it wasn't the best adaptation of the book.
---George
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From:         "(Patrick Walsh)" <eeipwah@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball

	Went to see Mr. Baseball last night.  I thought that it was pretty good.
	I am a big T. Selleck fan anyway, but I thought that there were some good
 jokes.
	I was entertained.  Has anyone else seen it?



Does this film have some scenes involving a Japanese Woman. I remember reading
a quote last week from T. Selleck in answer to Japanese reactions to such. I
think he said that "Xenophobic would best describe it".
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:36:55 EDT
From:         "Patrick Ricciardi" <CX935C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: _Hero_
              8 Oct 1992 13:44:39 EST from <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>

I saw Hero and I really thought that it was well done. I really liked
Dustin Hoffman in it. One thought I had about this movie is how much it
reminded me of a Gary Cooper movie by the name of "Meet John Doe"
Did hero remind anyone else of this movie?
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:25:50 -0400
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Hugh Laurie

Hugh Laurie is >going< to be in Kenneth Branagh's new movie coming out
on Christmas Day, I've heard.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:26:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Henry V and Henry V

My wife and I had also seen the original film of Henry V years ago.
After seeing the Branagh version, we rented the Olivier one
the next day and were badly disappointed at how dated it seemed.
Except for Olivier, the acting is weak, and most of the actors
read their lines in exaggerated iambic pentameter like high
school players -- or, more to the point, like Beyond the
Fringe in the parody of high school players.

Jim Thompson
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Date: 13 Oct 92 15:14:41 GMT
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I was watching Casino Royale last night and caught his name in the opening
credits but too late to see what for.  Does someone have that information
handy?

Don
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:13:56 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hoffa

>we don't know what happened to Hoffa...and
>did you ever see him and Nicholson in the same place at the same
>time?

Eureka! I'm getting right to work on the screenplay -- Nicholson
as an aging too-old-to-be-hip Superman, living in the 'burbs
with formerly zaftig but now shapeless Lois, still played by
when's-the-last-time-you-saw-me-in-a-movie Margot Kidder.

Let's not forget Jessica Lange as Supergirl, who's just starting
to show her mileage, and finds it difficult to fly. Throw in Hugh
Laurie as Supe & Lois' Spock-like superson, and you've got real
High Concept  -- BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE for the 90's.

kjf-
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                                        Date:     13-Oct-1992 05:02pm DST
                                        From:     Will K. Covington
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Subject: More Denholm Elliott

Deep Cover  1988
Hanna's War  1988
The Holy Terror  1965
It's Not the Size That Counts  1974
Over Indulgence  1987
Rude Awakening  1981
Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde  1968
Transmutations  1986
The Two Faces of Evil  1982
Underworld  1985
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:45:06 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Your Chairness

For direct address, I've always leaned toward "Your Chairness,"
though I admit this has not caught on generally.

I suspect this is due to a desire for a term useable for both
direct and indirect address, and you can see how "Your Chairness"
quickly devolves into either His Chairness or Her Chairness, and
then where are you?

I admit there is a certain cheesiness at the edge of attempts to person-
handle the language to reflect supposed or desired social change, but
the use of the label PC is often of similar shallowness.  It seems all
but forgotten now that political correctness originated as an ironic
term on the left, a bit of humor at one's own expense, an ability NOT to
take one's self so seriously, so often said to be lacking on the left.

But more importantly, it is now used to describe language changes with
the implication that such changes are
1)  essentially irrational
2)  indicative of our times, specifically post-60s.

Yet the battle over language terms has always gone on.  A member of the
faculty here gave a terrific talk about reception & celebration of
Columbus Day in the US 100 and 200 years ago.  It is clear that what many
consider "revisionist" history of the 1990s is a repeat of previous
debates, including the contention over terms like "discover" when applied
to indigenous people.

Rick Francis, a US citizen of Croatian, Scottish, and French descent.

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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      MTM in Ordinary People

REPLY TO 10/09/92 08:01 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": MTM in Ordinary People

Hey, I see MK's point about MTM:  her character in ORDINARY PEOPLE was
cold, unyielding, dominating, and controlling; in fact, she was a
first class b*t*h.  This was a very strong character -- strong in
the sense that she had a powerful impact on the people around
her.

Whether OP is an anti-feminist tract or simply the story of one
family, I'm undecided.  I do think the Hollywood
powerbrokers/decisionmakers hate and undervalue women; I'm
not sure I think Robert Redford does.

There certainly is something to be said for MK's premise -- his posts
have gotten me to think in a larger sense about two movies (OP and
KRAMER VS KRAMER) I had originally dismissed as large-scale movies of
the week.  In today's parlance, are these movies about the triumph of
"family values" or really about how men can fill women's roles better
than they can?  For that matter, isn't that what TOOTSIE was really
about -- that a man impersonating a woman could do a better job at it
(ie, being a woman) AND teach the women around him a few things to
boot?

Jennifer Porro

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Subj:   RE: review

>Ditto for me here about your review.  Keep 'em coming!
>
>Susan

You should give Carl Reiner a call.  Your script has possibilities.

j-man

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