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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: NOT! (was Re: Virginia WINS)
Keywords: The dreaded "red zone"
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:00:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.153422.11426@software.org> oconnor@software.org (Jim O'Connor) writes:

(stuff axed)
>> >In article <Bvxv6M.8xv@rice.edu>, rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) wr>
>My point was that the incredulous reaction of the previous poster was
>inappropriate since it was a close game that could have easily gone 
>either way. The things noted above (as well as the elided items) were 
>intended to support that position. 
>
>Enough of that... I have a question about the effectiveness of the run-and-shoot
>inside the 30 (or the compete zone as Maryland calls it). This has been a big 
>problem for Maryland all year. Is this a problem with the run-and-shoot in general 
>-- because there is not as much room to operate when you get in close to the end 
>zone -- or is it a problem with Maryland's execution that will go away with 
>more experience?
>
>-- 
>---
>Jim O'Connor
>oconnor@software.org
>

The run-and-shoot has a history of "red zone" problems. This is due maily to
the fact that there is simply less field that the defenders have to cover.
Remember, the whole idea of the run and shoot is to spread the defense as wide
as possible. In the red zone this is not possible. Since most run and shoot
teams have only three basic types of runs (sweet, counter, and draw), this 
makes it even easier to defend against. There has been a long-time philosophy
that when inside the scoring zone, it is best to run the ball. This idea has
lasted a long time and for good reason...it usually works (esp with the power
I formation, but others work just as well). There have been several methods
devised to get the run and shoot to work in this area. Those nifty corner
timing routes work very well...very hard to defend if the pass is thrown
correctly (check out almost every FSU game this season, a lot of the TD's have
come off of plays like this). Another method devised is to bring in a tight
end. This allows them to have thier full compliment of 4-5 recievers on the
field, and also gives the teams the ability to run the ball more effectively.
Both FSU and Miami use tight ends in their offenses...Miami burned FSU bad
with a fake reverse and throw to the wide open tight end this year. One last
thing that helps the run and shoot score inside the 20: mobile QB's. If you
have a QB that is able to move the ball effectively on his own it can only
help. It also allows you to spread the defense out even in the relatively
small space that has to be defended. QB's like Charlie Ward, Steve Young, Rick
Mirer, and Rodney Pete can give a run and shoot ofense this versatility in the
"red zone".

Kevin
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:40:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

> 
>>
>>Now that's TWO years in a row that the refs should have called a safety on
>>Miami, and didn't!!!
> 
> What the hell are you talking about???  What safety???

In the fourth quarter, Miami was on their own 3 or 4 yard line. Gino dropped
back to pass and was crushed by Derek Bochna. Gino managed to throw the ball 
way out of bounds. There was not even a receiver on that side of the field. 
This was clearly intentional grounding. Since he threw the ball from the 
endzone, it should have been called a safety.

While I'm posting, I'll congratulate the Canes on their win. Although I feel 
Penn State beat themselves. They beat them in every offensive category.  
However, Miami didn't turn the ball over and only had few(two) penalties. 
These are two things a team must do, in order to beat a good team like PSU. 

For a team to be ranked number 1 at the end of a season, it often has to get 
a few "breaks" along the way. When Penn State won their 1982 National Title,
they won the Nebraska game in the final minute after a questionable good
reception along the sidelines on fourth down. When they won the 1986 title they
survived a tough Alabama?? game where Bama' missed a 2 point conversion in the 
closing minutes of the game that would have given them the victory. 

So to sum it up, I'm not mad that we lost the game. I'm upset because we did
not play as well as we can, but good teams force you to make mistakes you
normally wouldn't make. So Miami deserves to be commended on a tough win. Good
teams always find a way to win. 

After this tough loss, PSU better be ready for BC, or it might be 2 "L"'s in a
row. 

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                             
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OU vs. tx
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:57:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article <1992Oct7.153707.14358@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.124611.23629@dvorak.amd.com>, chrisk@nucleus.amd.com
>(Chris Kosh) VOMITS:
>
>> Would someone in this newsgroup please pass the word to the
>> peons in oklahoma that its time once again.  Let them know to
>> go ahead and begin talking because they simply cannot beat a 
>> team from a superior state, regardless of talent, tradition,
>> ranking, or record.
>> 
>> 
>> See ya in Dallas, if you can find your way and the telegraphs
>> get the message that far.
>> 
>> 
>> 		For the fourth year in a row, 
>
>
>Let's see if texas wins it on the field as well as the mouth.
>You sips put out more vomit than any body I've ever seen.	
>
>-- 
>
>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com


We "sips" put out more vomit than anybody else because we "sips" have a winning
record against every SWC team (granted not saying much) and against the
university of chokelahoma loosers, i mean sooners, no i don't LOOSERS.

so to all the FAGGIES out there, when your team has a winning record
against us "sips", then we'll talk

mike

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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:Best Marching Band
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:28:19 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


Feel free to wake me up when this subject matter passes.  I used to be in
marching band and fully realize that if you wish to make your musical
composition sound thoroughly awful, you should make a marching band
arrangement for it.  
 
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Quarterback Rating Formula
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:38:05 -0700

In article <1992Oct7.170042.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
> In article <$garyf.31.0@SASB.BYU.EDU>, $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald) writes:
>> Could someone please enlighten me on the formula used to get the quarterback 
>> rating or quarterback efficiency number.  Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Gary
> 
>((COMPLETIONS + (3.3 * TD'S) - (2.0 * INT'S)) * 100) + (8.4 * YARDS)) / ATTMPTS
> 
> Simple enough?
> 
> arthur

i guess it wasn't simple enough.

correction...

(((COMPLETIONS + (3.3 * TD'S) - (2.0 * INT'S)) * 100) + (8.4 * YARDS)) / ATTMPTS

^^^
so i can't pair my paren's
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:21:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Oct14.152105.26054
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <23792@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.071651.21261@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct10.231835.23782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>
>>>Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
>>>Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...
>
>>>Yup, definite #1 ...
>
>>Well, an Arizona team that also managed to beat UCLA....
>>I guess they are overrated as well..
>
>If Miami were in the Pac10 they would have to struggle to fininsh
>in the top half...  And if there weren't so many of the nation's
>sportswriters so far from the league.....

Yeah, right.   Miami has played 3 ranked teams so far, and will play 2 or
3 more before the bowl games come around.  The Pac10 is tough, but how
can you honestly say they would struggle to finish in the top half??  Which
teams in the Pac10 are you saying would beat Miami???  

Cal???  They couldn't even beat Purdue!!!
USC???  They couldn't even beat SDSU!!!
WSU???  Like they have played anyone!!!
UCLA??? Now that's a joke.. I said.. I joke son...
Stanford/Washington would both be a test, but Miami has already shown that it
can handle tough teams...
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:05:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) wrote:
}
}For all those who seem to think Miami blew out Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
}last year: I distinctly remember the score being 15-7 with under 3 min. to
}go in the fourth.

Who sold you that acid?  I wouldn't buy from him anymore.

For those operating outside of chemical influences, our televisions
showed what was actually happening in the Orange Bowl, as Miami beat 
Nebraska 22-0 in a game where Nebraska never made a hint of scoring.

}The Rose Bowl wasn't nearly as close, and Michigan was ranked higher 
}than Nebraska. So please explain: how do you justify a shared #1?

I don't see how you can call a 34-14 game "not nearly as close" as
a 22-0 game.  But in any case simply comparing the margin of victory
in the last game played by each team is a ridiculous oversimplification.

}Seemed like a no-brainer to have put Miami #2. Those crazy writers...

Certainly a number of people on the net with no brain were eager to
put Miami #2.  In all fairness though, there were plenty without 
brains who wanted them #1 as well.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
                                 "And computer rating systems."
From: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl..National Champiom??
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA


 (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>I know its still early but it looks more and more like we might have
>a National Champion matchup in the Rose Bowl. Washington and Michigan
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>are ranked #1 and #3 respectively in the polls and I really don't see
>anyone knocking these guys off. Miami certainly deserves a shot but
>the above matchup could well be the best of all the Bowl games.

Alas! My ears can take no more.  In spite of the fact that the 
Cardinal must travel to Seattle this year, Stanford has a real 
chance of beating UW, especially if the Card learns how to convert
on third and 2.  (One of these days Walsh will remember that
Rathman is not in the backfield and won't always run up the middle
in this situation.)
  This game, which will determine the Rose Bowl participant, will probably
be decided by how both teams pass the ball.  Washington has two competent
QB's and some good receivers.  Stanford's secondary is definitely suspect,
but they sport possibly the best pass rush in the nation.  If the pass rush
doesn't get to the UW QB, it could be a long day.  Going the other
direction across the radio dial, the Bill Walsh passing attack finally 
gelled at Notre Dame.  UCLA temporarily put a damper on it, but only
because UCLA sports many excellent pass defenders in the secondary.
(certainly better than what I have seen of UW)  The team that can
move the ball most effectively through the air will probably come out 
the victor, as both squads sport nasty run defenses.
  
  No obligatory National Championship woof until someone knocks off
those pesky Hurricanes and the Crimson tide.  

 -Lec Luthor 
  Criminal Genius Extraordinaire
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From: davidw@vista.atmos.uiuc.edu (David Wojtowicz)
Subject: Hurricanes schedule wanted
Organization: Atmospheric Science at Univ of Ill at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:36:55 GMT
Keywords: miami hurricanes schedule

Hi,

 I'm posting this for a friend who'd very much like to get a copy of
the Miami Hurricanes schedule for the remainder of the season.  If
anyone's got one handy I'd certainly appreciate it if you'd email me a
copy.

 Many thanks in advance.

--Dave

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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:05:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.125456.2074@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <1992Oct12.074802.26651@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>
>> In article <70885@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>> snip, snip...
>> 
>> >like FAMU, etc.  Why aren't you also harassing Washington for playing such
>> >powerhouses as Oregon St., Oregon, Arizona St., etc.  What's good for the
>> 
>> Did it occur to you that they are PAC 10 teams and Washington *must*
>> play them?  Washington did schedule Nebraska. Miami, on the other
>> hand, schedules all their oponents.  Also, Oregon and Arizona St.
>> aren't pushovers and would have a field day against FAMU and TCU. You
>> seem to forget that playing in the PAC 10 means that they will face
>> Stanford, USC, Cal, Washington St. and Arizona. All these teams were
>> AP top 25 at one point this season, except for Arizona.
>
>  Sorry Charly, just because you *must* play the teams in your conference
>does not excuse you from the "easy schedule" complaint.  A&M has had to put up
>with that all year 

 snip, snip

Uhh, but there's a slight difference here: The PAC 10 is arguably the
top conference in the country. As for the SWC, NOT! Playing in the PAC
10 does *not* mean Washington has a week schedule as you imply. I'll
grant you Oregon St as a patsy, but every conference has at least one
weak team. As for Arizona St. and Oregon, they would most likely
finish in the top half of the SWC. You would me hard pressed to find
many teams in the SWC capable of doing so in the PAC 10.


>  You know, I really hope you do!  Which sets up the inevitable
>"Since Stanford beat Washington, and A&M beat Stanford, then..." :-)

That was then, this is now... 

========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
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From: KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu (Kurt Ludwick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: All these Penn State Predictions
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:14:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92281.131450KEL111
 <92281.015347KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct7.131006.29488@walter.bellcore.com>

In article <1992Oct7.131006.29488@walter.bellcore.com>,
lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver) says:

>> >    a) have not seen them play a game
>> >    b) can not name 3 players on the Nittany Lion team
>> >    c) couldn't even describe the type of offence they are running
>> >       this year or how many pass att/game they are averaging.

>I can

Then do so.  Don't tell people how little they know about PSU football,
without some indication it's true.  What is it that makes you think everyone
who predicts the upcoming Lion slaughter of the 'Canes is so ignorant about
Penn State football?

------------
Kurt Ludwick
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: UT at Austin football
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:08:39 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct13.131207.4008@digi.lonestar.org> mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org writes:

> In article <1992Oct10.024536.5380@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >In <1992Oct9.215708.2019@digi.lonestar.org> mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org writes:
> >
> >[much so-called "Longhorn" drivel deleted.]
> >
> >  And not even a freshman.  Tsk.  You know, Goob they get dumber every
> >year.  I nominate this guy for the Goober School for the Clueless.
> >
> >semper fi,
> >
> >Jammer Jim Miller 
> >Texas A&M University '89 and '91
> 
> sorry Jimbo, just stating the facts.  yeah, most of my a&m friends are
> speechless after that one also.
> for those that missed the original article, i stated that UT has a winning
> record against all SWC teams and when a&m has a winning record against us
> then we can talk.  obviously, jim was offended by the facts and mad at his
> school (i.e. that junior college in "college" station) because they don't
> have a winning record against us (i.e. that powerhouse in Austin). :):)
> mike

  Ahh, Mike.  Tsk.  And again, tsk.  Yes indeed, folks it is true.  The Long-
horns do indeed have a winning record against every SWC team.  It is also true
that have sucked rocks for all but 1 year since 1986.  If you desire to live
in the '70's, by all means go right ahead...:-)

  In any event, I was not knocking the Longhorns, or even their chances with OU.
I was knocking an insulting manner of posting which makes all Texans look bad.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia: same old 'hoos
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: WSHB, Herald Broadcasting Syn., Inc., Cypress Creek, SC, USA

In article <1992Oct14.032326.26930@hubcap.clemson.edu> trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:

->Say!  Can anyone find out how Heisman candidates have performed against 
->Clemson?  I'm wondering about how Heisman trophy candidates do against 
->Heisman's old team...only two come to mind but I'm sure there must have 
->been more competing against the Tigers over the years.

->Herschel Walker at Georgia
->George Rogers at Carolina

	Neither Herschel Walker or George Rogers EVER crossed Clemson's
goal line.

ED



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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Those who don't study history (Illinios/Ohio State)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:05:25 GMT

What the hell was Makovic thinking when he took a point off the board to go for
two?  With all the time that he must have put in studying game films, you would
think he might have noticed what happen to OSU last week when Cooper did this.
Had he lft the point up there, OSUs field goal attempt would have been to tie 
the game rather than to win it.

     - Pat
.
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Big 10 stuff
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:10:06 GMT

In article <1b4fkpINNe9t@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>   Somehow, I wiped out all my Email and files. Oh well, here's my (very)
>   brief preview for the upcoming weekend.
>
>   Iowa 16, Wisconsin 13: UW is too young to come back so quickly after a
closer than that, but you had the right idea.  There goes
Wisconsin's bid for the Roses

>   Ohio State 31, Illinois 13: No way OSU loses two in a row.
Hey, No one could have guessed this.  Tough one... :-)

>   Indiana 28, Northwestern 17: No way Northwestern wins two in a row.
correct, not even close

>   Michigan 37, Michigan State 10: I don't care if it's a big rivalry, the
Boy, I gotta hand it to ya here

>   Purdue 21, Minnesota 17: In honor of the alma mater of the Cheesehead 
Not bad...

>   Miami 24, Penn State 20: I honestly think Miami will lose, but I just
>   can't bring myself to pick against them.
again, not bad

Basically, you can pick my winners any time.  :-)



-- 
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