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From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: A Hard Keeper
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:48:00 GMT
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Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: KAUFMAN@biomed.med.yale.edu

EK . I have a 13 year-old qh/tb cross who is determined to stay skinny. He is very
EK . healthy and full of beans. No one can find anything wrong with him. I worm him
EK . regularly (too often, by his book) with a range of dewormers, etc.. I ride him
EK . about 4 times a week right now, and he is very fit. I have tried a number of
EK . different things over the last 18 months or so to put weight on him, but none
EK . of them have been very successful. Huge buckets of grain are out, as he goes
EK . completely wingnut on a high protein diet. Currently, I am feeding him beet
EK . pulp with 2 handfuls of a Charger/Trotter (sweet feed/pellet) mix (otherwise he
EK . goes on strike) twice a day. He gets as much good hay as he will eat, and has
EK . plenty of water, and so on. Does anyone have any ideas for putting weight on
EK . this horse? He needs at least 50 lbs. Thanks.

The latest thing I've been reading about to put on weight without adding 
protein to the diet is corn oil.  Start with a cup, and build up to 2-3 
a day as necessary.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Stallions
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:32:22 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


I heartily second all the posts about being extremely careful around stallions.
Even a 'pussy cat' can turn into a tiger when there's a mare in heat around.

I know of three people in my area in the last several years who were seriously
injured by stallions.  All were women, all were just a 'little' careless, 
all the stallions were supposedly gentle.  One woman was kicked in the head
by her 24 year old stallion!  Luckily she had no permanent damage.  One of
the other women was deliberately kicked full force in the abdomen.  She
had to have an enormous amount of operations to repair the damage and will
always have huge amounts of physical problems from this.  

So, remember that there are only two kinds of stallions, top-quality and
potential geldings.

IMHO, of course!

Sue
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Hage Maker's Address
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:13:14 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hi Again-
   I got a few requests for the address of the company that makes the
Hage, so here it is:
				The Great Hage Texas, Inc.
				Sales & Marketing Division
				904 Sidney Baker St.
				PO BOX 33128
				Kerrville, Texas 78028
				(512)895-2232

				Teresa, husband, horses, and cats
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: <None>
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:47:45 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


Lauren, first of all, why don't you want to geld this stallion?  Is he of
national quality, extremely rare bloodlines?  Too many horses are kept 
intact when they should be gelded.  If it took this long for his testicles
to drop, he really SHOULD be gelded, undescended testicles in an older horse
are considered a serious fault and should not be perpetuated.  
His behavior is almost certainly hormone based, geldings don't act like
this.  In fact, many barns won't board stallions due to their behavior,
even the best of them can suddenly turn into Mr. Hyde when hormones get 
out of control.
As for how to correct this behavior, you must get after him the MOMENT he
starts screaming.  One trick I saw used in a Morgan barn was a thin switch
across the forearms.  Use a flexible stick, a willow switch is really good.
The moment he starts misbehaving, swat him HARD with the switch across the
forearm.  It stings like HELL, does not cause any harm to the horse but 
certainly gets his attention.  If you do this every time he misbehaves,
it will certainly help.

Sue

P.S., I still think he should be gelded, unless you have some extremely
good reason for keeping him intact.  If you aren't ever planning to breed
him (and I only consider extremely exceptional stallions worth breeding)
then geld him.  There are too many 'backyard' stallions out there, it's
one of the problems in many breeds.

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From: dennis@medusa.dseg.ti.com (dennis womack)
Subject: re: Hage- fermented hay
Reply-To: dennis@medusa.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:54:26 GMT


...  It is called
ChaffHage.  It is a fermented hay mixed with molasses (not silage).  There is 
a good article on it in Equus 119 (Sept. 1987).  It is quite strange looking
and smells like brewer's yeast (if you've ever made your own beer).  It is a


... Hi Again-
   I got a few requests for the address of the company that makes the
Hage, so here it is:
				The Great Hage Texas, Inc.
				Sales & Marketing Division
				904 Sidney Baker St.
				PO BOX 33128
				Kerrville, Texas 78028
				(512)895-2232

				Teresa, husband, horses, and cats
__________end first post_______

I have two questions for the group, please:
1) can anyone tell me how hage would do for a foundered pony.  We have a pony that foundered on coastal pretty badly, and is in the process of growing her hooves back. But she is also losing lots of weight.

2) has anyone any experience with feeding hay to cows.  We have a nursing Simental cow that is losing weight, and feed doesn't seem to work well.

Thanks for your help
... Dennis
From: ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Appaloosa Question
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:53:00 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Strawberry is registered Appaloosa, only yellow papers since she never
threw any spots.  Which is fine with us.  Since she will be five 
on May 9 is this a pretty good sign that she will not throw spots ever?
Thanks.

Jean, Missi and Strawberry Pai
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 1993
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:09:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec15.225110.12609@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) writes:
>1993 will be a year of change.  But what changes will we
>equestrians see?  Will 1993 be the year for
>1. The K-Tel mane braiding machine?

How about the Ronco full clipping machine?  It does a full clip
or it does a trace clip.  Quiet!  Safe!  And, if you call now, 
get this free Ronco mane puller which doubles as a boot polisher!

>2. A Lazy-Boy saddle?
>3. The halter with an electronic fly repellant?
>4. Evian water for horses?
>5. Spandex leg stockings and tail wraps for horses?
>6. A new type of polo with a fence across the field
>   requiring the horses to jump?
>7. a 900# for training questions?
>8. Musical Kur to rap music?

I bet this has been done.

>9. Madonna Lady Godiva photo book?
>10.A Nordic excercise machine simulating a posting trot?

Without stirrups

>11.A TV soap opera centered around a hunter barn (or a
>   hunt club)?

How about... a large boarding stable with several differnt trainers,
only 10 miles from Hollywood... Boy, do I have a candidate!

Nighttime soap, right?
>12.NFL Superstars competing on horseback?

Let's see, what else...

13. A Nordic trak machine for horses that simulates hill climbing.
14. Eventing back protectors for horses
15. Kevlar quarter sheets for deer season
16. Riding helmets with an air bag
17. Bits made out of an orange plastic that looks and tastes like
    carrots 
18. Giant Legos used for building cross country fences
19. Peril sensitive goggles for eventers (darkness of lenses
    directly proportional to amount of danger)
20. Stirrups that yell at you if your leg position isn't
    optimum or steady
21. A bridle that yells at you if the heaviness of your contact
    wanders out of a preset zone
22. A shirt/belt/vest that delivers a mild electric shock if
    your upper body anticipates a fence

Anyone else?

   Debbie



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Saddle Wanted: Courbette Husar
Originator: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:33:21 GMT

	Hi everyone,

	I'm looking for a nice used Courbette Husar, a generous 17.5 or 
	18", medium tree. Reasonably priced.  It's for my horse's co-owner, 
	Peter, who needs another saddle pronto!  I just got one and it's 
	the first one which really fits Mo And Her High Withers.

	If you know anyone......
	Thanks,

	Robin King
	415-725-3660 M-Th 
	415-726-1072 F,S,S
	king@glacier.stanford.edu
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ARABIANS
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:30:17 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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: ...and has an exotic
: color bay. He has a WHITE tail too! 

Does Shah Hameer have a grey parent by any chance?  If so he could
be a late changing grey.  My Arabian, Oneco Sterling, is the son
of a stallion by the name of Black Knight.  Knight did not *begin*
to grey out until he was a five year old!

Good luck with your friend,

Karen Sugalski & Sterling
(on Dan's account)

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Subject: Re: Which way [spurs?]?
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:07:39 GMT

In article <1gbcihINN4tv@gap.caltech.edu>, deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu
(Debbie Levine) wrote:
> 
> In article <jscott-111292101744@mace402.mv.us.adobe.com> jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott) writes:
> >On an English stirrup the point (the business end) seems to be at an angle
> >to the curved part that goes around the ankle.  I have not found a picture
> >in any of my horsie books of a rider with English stirrups showing to use
> >as a reference.  
> 
> The business end of a spur is the shank, and it usually points down.
> 
> Are you sure you need to be wearing spurs?  If you are a relatively
> inexperienced rider, you are likely to be much better off carrying
> a stick rather than wearing spurs -- you need to have the leg control
> to be sure you don't use them unintentionally!
> 
> Also it is NEVER a good idea to use something for the first time
> at a show!
> 
> IMHO
> Debbie
> deblev@ipac.caltech.edu

I've been riding about three years now and have been getting competent
instruction.  I'm new to showing though, hence my curiosity about the finer
points, so to speak.  

Thanks for your concern about using spurs too soon.  I agree with you
completely!  Fortunately, I have good leg control and was never permitted
by my instructor to use spurs until I was able to handle them. 
Unfortunately, the horse I ride is a fine QH usually ridden Western and
that Western Jog just won't cut it with the judges when I'm supposed to be
doing a nice English Trot! 

The schooling show was fun and I did pretty well.  I entered my first
Hunter Hack class (Kindergarten) and managed to place.  

Incidently, I have gotten about a fifty-fifty split on which way the spurs
should point.  It seems clear that in training/dressage, it is illegal to
point them up, but in any event that is not regulated to this level it
seems that everyone has their own favorite orientation.  

Joyce (who rides Spiff and is just learning to jump him)
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: mail order source for buggy parts
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:50:20 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: bmc@mayo.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 19:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191411.23662@bmw.mayo.edu> bmc@mayo.edu (Bruce Cameron) writes:

   Having just become the owner of a 1850's dog cart
   in need of repair, I was wondering; does anyone
   know of a mail order source for buggy parts?

   I am not going to try to restore the cart, simply
   fix whats wrong.

   Bruce M. Cameron		bmc@mayo.edu

I have no direct experience with carriage repairs, but The Carriage
Association of America (CAA), in conjunction with the American Driving
Society (ADS) used to have a pamphlet, "ADS/CAA Directory of Supplies
and Services for Carriage and Driving Enthusiasts" which lists many
suppliers.  You should be able to get a copy from the Carriage
Association of America, R.D. #1 Box 115, Salem, NJ 08079, or from the
American Driving Society, P.O. Box 160, Metamora, MI 48455,
800-233-9806; last I heard (addresses and phones are from 1991
literature), it cost $5.00.  I don't have my copy here, but it should
include parts suppliers.

Another alternative is "The Reach---Driving World Directory", which is
a "yellow pages" of mostly draft, but some light horse driving stuff.
It costs $7.00; contact The Reach, 884 Old Mail Road, Crossville, TN
38555, 615-456-6886 (current ad).

There might also be parts available from Darby Day Products, P.O. Box
153, Patagonia, AZ 85624.  Last I heard, their catalog cost $9.95;
it's sort of a cross between an encyclopedia of driving paraphernalia
and a turn-of-the-century Sears catalog, complete with neat drawings,
except that you can actually order all that good stuff!

Good luck on your carriage repairs!

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Tanners Oil - cann't find
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

TO:crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

A  . I was told that maybe this had been a topic a while back but I don't always
A  . get an opportunity to read these groups.  So - I have been trying to locate
A  . my old standby - Tanners Oil - it's time to clean up my equipment for the
A  . winter.  I can't locate any.  Don't remember the manufacturer.  Came in a
A  . round plastic bottle.  Small one cost about $10.00.  This isn't the same
A  . thing that Farnum has now is it?

An ad in the 1/93 Equus says to call 1-800-826-6373 for details about 
Tanners Oil.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
                                           
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Subject: Re: horses in central New Jersey
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:03:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135300.18274@synapse.bms.com> stebbins@watson.bms.com (GAYE STEBBINS) writes:
>I'm new to this posting stuff, so please forgive  me for not attaching the 
>orginal post I am responding to.  As for the cost to keep a horse in central 
>NJ:  you will be lucky to find a place to board for $250/mo.  I would count on 
>$300-$400 to be a good estimate.  But it depends where in central/south Jersey 
>you are located.  (rest of posting deleted)
>$50-$60 for two basic front shoes.  If the horse requires shoes all around, 
>
>Gaye Stebbins
>Nicholas and Ivana
>
>


FYI for anyone who may be interested, I currently have a nice house on
three acres with barn and fenced pasture (in New Jersey) that is for sale
or rent.


Susan Roth
(816)995-3767 -- work
(816)566-3455 -- home

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Minor corrections about color genetics
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:57:35 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Thanks.  I was perhaps not as clear as I should have been.  

Karen

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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Service with a smile.
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 06:14:02 GMT


Judging by the amount of mail I've had and the numbers of people that
have ftp'ed into my Sun, (how many people ARE there in America? :-)  ),
it would seem that the horse gifs are a rather popular item.

There does seem to be quite a few of you out there though that would
like to get these gifs but are unable to ftp. There is, however, the
good news. I can uuencode these gifs and upload them to the newsgroup
alt.binaries.pictures.misc   All you need is the ability to turn a news
message into a file, edit it and then uudecode it and, hey presto, a
nice shiny gif.

The second service I'm  **THINKING**  of providing is:
A lot of you would like to get a picture of your horse, (with or without you),
into the gif collection but have no access to a colour scanner. I've been 
toying with the idea of allowing people to send me a photo which I will
scan and add to the collection. I haven't decided on this one yet so don't
get too excited!

If you think either/both of these ideas are good, (or bad), please let me
know. Whether or not I go ahead with them will depend, to some extent, on the
response I get from YOU.

Neither of these things are likely to happen, (if at all), before mid January 1993
so you've got plenty of time to think about it.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: detoro_l@watson.bms.com (Lauren Detoro (609) 252-4251)
Subject: pregnant rider
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:32:00 GMT

Hi everyone,
Well, my first posting was sent correctly.  My second one (that took me 1/2 
hour to type) didn't get sent. Oh well, I'll try again.  
I wanted to respond to the pregnant woman who is riding.  I rode up until 1 
week of my baby's delivery.  The sitting trot was definitely the first to go.  
As my pregnancy progressed, I cldldn't sit too deep.  Make sure to check with 
your doctor and ride a safe horse.  Although your baby is in there pretty 
tight, I would imagine a bad fall could be devistating.  Be careful, congrats 
and good luck!!!!
-Lauren and Malone
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Okay: 3rd time's the charm ...
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:40:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


In article <21730030@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease) writes:

>Cold as this sounds, figure that you're going to screw up the first
>couple of horses that you own.  If you do anything with them besides
>feed them this is inevitable.  For a first horse, get yourself a tough
>veteran in its teens.  You probably won't be able to make too much of a
>mess out of it.

	While I do agree that an older horse is generally best for
a beginner, I do not agree that "you're going to screw up the first
couple of horses that you own."  The first horse I owned  started out
by sending me flying within 3 weeks of acquiring her (I was 8 years old
and so was she, my parents and I decided to continue working with her)
and fracturing my elbow.  From there are relationship was sealed.  We became 
the best of friends and she got better and better as I became better
and better.  I had her for 12 years and would have her with me still
if she were alive.  The second horse I have owned is Cachet, whose
progress has been seen by you all on the net.  The third horse is
Mithril, Cachet's daughter, who is approaching saddle training age
and who has taught me a great deal about the antics of young horses
and despite her occassional outbursts of very snotty behavior is
gradually learning all the things necessary to be considered a
pretty well-behaved horse (I don't mind telling you it was difficult
and frustrating to deal with some of those outbursts but very worth
working through).

				Tracy and everybody
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ARABIANS
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:50:55 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1gedrrINNa2j@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
> : I just want to make one point, bay is NOT an exotic color in Arabians.  For
> : many years the majority of Arabians in this country were grey, mostly because
> : the early imports were mostly grey.  Now there are many bay, chestnut, and
> : black Arabians.  My mare Quality is chestnut, her sire was bay, her dam was
> : flea-bit grey.  She also has a half-sister who is bay, out of the same dam.
> 
> just for clarification:
>  
> I was under the assumption that Sha Hameer was an exotic color of bay, not
> that bay was an exotic color.  Grey tends to be tha predominant color because
> tha gene which causes greying is dominant.  I was wondering if Shah Hameer
> might be exotic because of the beginning of a color change--rose greys
> can look really neat during the beginning stages of the bay-grey change.
> 
> Karen
> 

Bay is bay.  There are no exotic colors of bay.   Bay is red, brown or dark
brown with black mane and tail.  While in some breeds, buckskin is considered
a different color, genetically it is just a yellow bay.   One thing you must
consider, if Shah Hameer is changing color then he is NOT a bay, he is most
likely a grey and that means if he is registered a bay, his papers are in
error and must be corrected.  The Arabian registry is really fussy about
things like that!  If you take him to a show and his papers don't match his
description, you can be refused entry into a class.  I'm not entirely sure,
but I think the show committee might even be able to report you to the
registry who can yank his registration.

Sue
>
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Which way [spurs?]?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:42:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <jscott-111292101744@mace402.mv.us.adobe.com> jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott) writes:
>On an English stirrup the point (the business end) seems to be at an angle
>to the curved part that goes around the ankle.  I have not found a picture
>in any of my horsie books of a rider with English stirrups showing to use
>as a reference.  

The business end of a spur is the shank, and it usually points down.

Are you sure you need to be wearing spurs?  If you are a relatively
inexperienced rider, you are likely to be much better off carrying
a stick rather than wearing spurs -- you need to have the leg control
to be sure you don't use them unintentionally!

Also it is NEVER a good idea to use something for the first time
at a show!

IMHO
Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Which way [spurs?]?
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:07:51 GMT
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I've never used spurs, but I recall that there was a very rigid
protocol about when you could and couldn't properly use them
in a show.  These were saddleseat rules, but I believe something
similar applied to all junior my hunt seat friends.  It went something
like this:

Equitation:  whips OK, spurs absolutely forbidden

Pleasure:  both whips and spurs verbotten

It was only in pure performance classes that spurs were allowed.

By the way, I've always heard "down" as well.

Linda Merims
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