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From: lbs@tkmhp4.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:13:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.152525.6577@discus.technion.ac.il> s1495926@techst02.technion.ac.il (Danny Kreindler) writes:
>I just returned from a trip to Poland where I tried to find
>remnants of Jewish life. There's nothing left, even the
>cemeteries were destroyed. Poland is one big Jewish
>graveyard.  There are hardly any Jews left in Poland, yet
>anti-semitism is quite alive. It was a very depressing sad
>experience for me.

 How did you recognize that the antisemitism is quite alive?
This is no flame, it is a polite question. You make the statement,
but what exactly happened to you during your trip, that makes you
say it? 

>     Yaakov Gladstone.
 
Lech Borkowski
lbs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Kaddish for pets?
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:03:01 GMT

In article <92264@netnews.upenn.edu> hlevene@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Howard Levene) writes:

>Well, I have a pet mouse.  I'm very sure that it is under 13, but I know it
>did not attend Yom Kippur Services and I've never seen it collect a Minyan
>in my room (Baruch Hashem!).  Also, I am sure it is not circumcised.
>(And if it were, I'd love to meet the master Mohel who did the job!)

>Therefore, I conclude that my mouse is not Jewish.  And if things go well, it
>will soon be eaten by my neighbor's snake (also not Jewish--the snake and the
>neighbor that is.)

If you think a mouse-mohel is good, imagine the skills of the Sandek for
that snake.  How does he hold the snake's legs down when finding them is
the first problem?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:42:59 GMT

In article <2AD1E105.6518@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) writes:
>As a young, Jewish college student, I am tired of hearing about attempts
>by other Jews to interfere with healthy, interracial and intercultural
>relationships.  I believe that the needs and desires of the individual
>come before those of his/her culture, and furthermore, I believe that
>any attempts to undermine these rights are unethical.
>
>I hope that other young Jews, like myself, realize that the stigma
>of interracial relationships is quickly fading, along with the influence
>of those who seek to protect the Jewish culture at ALL cost.


Just to clarify a central (but not explicit) point about the Jewish
view of intermarriage.  Orthodox traditions -- and, to the best of
my knowledge, Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist traditions --
are NOT opposed to interracial or intercultural marriage.  In Jewish
discussions, intermarriage is shorthand for "interfaith marriage."


-- 
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   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Weiner's ego deflated + Chipmunk the moron
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:14:48 GMT
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel

Didn't we have a holiday recently called The Day of Enthronement or
something like that?  I can't remember exactly what the point of it
was, something about repainting?  Does anyone out there recall?
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:10:15 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct8.205729.17456@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
[a long reply to Pawel]

Missed this bit, though; sorry

>>PS2. Since I posted my original text I returned to the text which initiated
>>this discussion.  It turned out that the book was offered by the CHURCH
>>bookstore and presumabely printed by Church offices (which also means
>>that the book would have to bear the sign of Imprimatur - official
>>Catholic censorship) - this is entirely different story. I do not think
>>that Catholic Church should be involved in promoting this kind of books.
>>Unfortunately Catholic Church is not a democratic institution and we
>>don't have easy ways to impose our will on it.

I doubt the book was printed by the Church, or that it received the
Imprimatur -- that would truly be too much.  Certainly the Roman
authorities oppose that sort of thing very firmly.  Remember: the accusation
was that it was being sold in *one* church that had a pastor with a
strong anti-Semitic reputation.  

The issue is clearly not official Church policy -- I know the Church
doesn't approve of the book, and suspect that about 90% of all the
priests on this earth would go so far as to deny communion to anyone
who knowingly distributed it while promoting it as fact -- but local
conditions in Poland that make it *possible* for one parish to 
distribute the book, evidently without discipline from above.

I'm reasonably sure that no Catholic church in the US distributes 
this book nor that any synagogue on earth distributes any material
even remotely like it.

Roger
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:24:41 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)

In article <emc.718412200@noonian>, emc@doe (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>All of this shows that there was never a clear picture of who the 
>Messiah should be in Judaism.  The picture becomes even more cloudy
>if we analyze the differences in Messianic concepts among 
>Pharisees, Saducees, Karaites, Jewish Rationalists, Maimonides,
>Jewish Mysticists, Conservatives, Orthodox, or Reformers.

Which is no doubt why one of the key criteria is universal recognition!
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:36:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <emc.718412200@noonian> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>This of course also happened with Shabtai Zevi.  His 
>following spread like wildfire to eastern Europe, the Balkans,
>Italy, France, Morocco, Holland, Ottoman Empire, Egypt and in the land
>of Israel.  More of "us Jews" were led astray with disastrous
>consequences for many.

An even stronger example was Bar Kochba.  He led a great rebellion
(againt the Babylonians?) in his day.  Many, including Rabbi Akiba,
thought he was the Messiah.  As a matter of fact, legend says that he
actually was going to be the Messiah until he began claiming his
victories in his own name instead of in the name of God.  After that,
God decided not to make him Messiah after all and he soon afterwards
died in battle.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:01:22 GMT

In article <1bi5uiINN5ka@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>just a question:  How many men who defend the sex roles in 
>orthodox practice would switch places?  That is, stay home,
>have babies, look after the house, ask your wife when you want
>to go somewhere if she can drive you, and never have any time
>to study Torah (or very little)?  the obvious answer would be
>that women just naturally don't have to study Torah or that
>they don't want to.  Let's hear some non-obvious answers.

I have always said, and my wife will vouch for this, is that the reason
I make a blessing every day "shlo asani isha" is because life is
infinitely easier for me than for my wife. I go to work for 8 hours a
day, which, relatively speaking, is a vacation compared to taking care
of the (4) kids for 8 hours. If I had to do what she does, I'd be
climbing walls! (Yes, my wife does work part-time, also.)

A friend of mine, when asked if his wife works, always answers:
"You bet she does - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.!"

Perhaps this is the reason the Talmud says the ultimate reward for
women will be greater than that for men.

Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  12-Oct-1992 1048)
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 07:51:16 PDT
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mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:

> ... I had an Orthodox Jewish education.  I have abandoned Judaism because I 
> came to recognize that it is sexist to the core.

Not all Judaism is Orthodox.  Many Jewish congregations allow full and 
equal participation by women in all aspects of study and ritual.

> The Tanach is a patriarchal body of literature which completely invalidates
> the history, experience, and contribution of women.

That depends on how one chooses to view and interpret it.

> Jewish law, at least Orthodox Jewish law, is degrading to women.
> Is there anyone out there who feels the same way?

I have serious disagreements with many ritual and philosophical positions taken
within Orthodox Judaism, specifically the separation between men and women at
services.  I have talked with women who feel that Orthodox custom is 
demeaning to them.  But they haven't abandoned Judaism!  There is plenty of 
room within the Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist movements for 
comfortable participation by someone who feels that Orthodox Jewish law is 
degrading to women.

----
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Digital Equipment Corporation, Semiconductor Engineering Group 
Mailstop HLO2-3/D11 
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:31:06 GMT

In article <P120RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
(olga from the volga) writes:

->saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

->> In article <66k3RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
->> (olga from the volga) writes:

->> >If this is the kind of crap my kids would hear ( if we ever 
->> >have any) when they go to Hebrew school, I wowuld just as soon my 
->> >husband take them to a church he likes.  I didn't like hearing this
->> >narrow minded bigotry in Hebrew school when I was a kid, I certainly
->> >wouldn't subject any child of mine to it.  If you don't think about 
->> >what is good for you, nobody else will!

->> This diatribe demonstrates nothing for or against intermarriage.  It
->> does, however, demonstrate the tragic state of Jewish life,
->> spirituality, and education in some places in the world.  I don't blame
->> her for being soured on the concept of marrying Jewish, given her
->> story.  Nor am I surprised that she "couldn't" find a Jewish spouse.  I
->> am, however, saddened by the statement it makes about society even if
->> her bitterness is maginified 10 times reality.

->It sure as *** does say something about intermarriage.  If I send my 
->kids to Hebrew school and all they hear is that kind of stuff about 
->intermarriage, what are they going to think about their own parents 
->who *did* intermarry?

Do you really feel that hearing this stuff in Hebrew school is anywhere
_near_ the ideal for Jewish education?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Subscribing to soc.culture.jewish
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:07:01 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

>Rumor is that one can subscribe to this newsgroup, much as 1 can
>subscribe to mail.Jewish and it arrives in one's mail-
>box.  Please advise how to do so.

Send e-mail to:   listserv@israel.nysernet.org and type the following
on the first line of the message:

subscribe scj First Last

(where First and Last are replaced with your first name and last name)

You will get an automated response from the listserv software and
will then begin receiving the list via e-mail.

Alan
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re:  a lulav in the eye
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:42:54 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>On Monday during davening, while marching with the lulav at the end of
>Musaf, someone got poked in the eye.
>
>Yup.  Got one hell of a ho-shiner.

But did the tip of the lulav split?

-Don Gertler
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Principle of Education and Guidance
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:46:29 +0100
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger) writes:

> MASHIACH IS ON THE WAY-

  Which way? via New York?

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From: L630191@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Children's Trip to Israel
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:14:09 GMT

am planning a trip to Israel next summer with our children (ages 7,6,4 and 2). A
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)

In article <emc.718563295@noonian>, emc@doe (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>>Which is no doubt why one of the key criteria is universal recognition!

>"Universal" criteria?  And how is this universe defined?  I assume
>to begin with, it excludes Christians.  So a large part of the
>Universe is excluded.

Bleh bleh bleh.

I'm talking about the Jewish "universe", obviously.  Get lost.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Frookie Cracker Kashrut?
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:36:31 +0000


> +From         : janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
> +Subject      : Frookie Cracker Kashrut?
> 
> I saw in the market some crackers made by the R.W. Frookie company that 
> were marked O-U D but had grape juice in them.  Anyone out there in 
> net-land know anything about this?


A few years ago when I was visiting Schenectady N.Y. I saw som Dijon
Poupon mustard at the local supermarket with on O-U and one of the
ingredients was wine. I queried this with the Rabbi of the Shul and
he checked with the O-U and discovered that they were using kosher
wine.


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From: hlevene@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Howard Levene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: BIG NOSES
Keywords: Joke!
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:04:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Oct09.223603.40002@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>I'm Jewish so don't get mad but why do so many of us have
>large noses?  Is this some ethnic trait?  I know it's not 
>all Jews , of course, but I wonder how this whole "nose"
>thing got started in the first place.

Well, I don't know about you, but big noses RUN in my family!!

(;>)

(It's a joke, see!)

--
 Howard B. Levene              |    "I'll call you the next time I pass
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 hlevene@eniac.seas.upenn.edu  |  Data is a Mechanical Engineer, too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Bradley Somer <somer@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Bradley Somer <somer@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:03:03 GMT

Perhaps Niddah comes from Nidation (implantation of the zygote on the
uterine lining). It is this uterine lining that falls off if fertilization
doesn't take place which renders a woman a niddah.  If this is far fetched
let me know.       Good Yom Tov
            Brad Somer
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:35:27
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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	<1992Oct11.031033.27038@tc.cornell.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
In-reply-to: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:10:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.031033.27038@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:

   In article <1b7sucINNhtj@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
   >
   >Why is it always predominantly men who invoke the argument of
   >the word of G-d and the argument that they see nothing unfair
   >to women in Orthodox tradition?

   How does the gender of the person making an argument affects the argument
   itself ?  If the majority of persons claiming that women are degraded
   in Orthodox tradition happen to be women, should that discredit the
   claim itself ?

It doesn't affect the argument per se, but if there's significant
correlation between gender and which side of the argument one takes
there certainly are grounds for at least trying to determine why that
difference exists.
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From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:12:30 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

> In article <P120RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
> (olga from the volga) writes:
> 
> ->saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
> 
> ->> In article <66k3RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
> ->> (olga from the volga) writes:
> 
> ->> >If this is the kind of crap my kids would hear ( if we ever 
> ->> >have any) when they go to Hebrew school, I wowuld just as soon my 
> ->> >husband take them to a church he likes.  I didn't like hearing this
> ->> >narrow minded bigotry in Hebrew school when I was a kid, I certainly
> ->> >wouldn't subject any child of mine to it.  If you don't think about 
> ->> >what is good for you, nobody else will!
> 
> ->> This diatribe demonstrates nothing for or against intermarriage.  It
> ->> does, however, demonstrate the tragic state of Jewish life,
> ->> spirituality, and education in some places in the world.  I don't blame
> ->> her for being soured on the concept of marrying Jewish, given her
> ->> story.  Nor am I surprised that she "couldn't" find a Jewish spouse.  I
> ->> am, however, saddened by the statement it makes about society even if
> ->> her bitterness is maginified 10 times reality.
> 
> ->It sure as *** does say something about intermarriage.  If I send my 
> ->kids to Hebrew school and all they hear is that kind of stuff about 
> ->intermarriage, what are they going to think about their own parents 
> ->who *did* intermarry?
> 
> Do you really feel that hearing this stuff in Hebrew school is anywhere
> _near_ the ideal for Jewish education?

Thats usually a big part of Jewish education for most people.  Basically 
I'm wouldn't send any kid of mine anywhere where their own parent's would 
 be put down.  We *were* discussing what they would learn at Hebrew school 
and not about Jewish education as a whole. 

> -- 
> Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
> 	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton



olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:07:54 GMT

David Charlap writes:
#
#An even stronger example was Bar Kochba.  He led a great rebellion
#(againt the Babylonians?) in his day.  
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nop, the Romans.

#Many, including Rabbi Akiba,
#thought he was the Messiah.  As a matter of fact, legend says that he
#actually was going to be the Messiah until he began claiming his
#victories in his own name instead of in the name of God.  

Doesn't the story go that he asked God not to help him, but let him
win on his own? I also heard that as the story goes he once got
mad at his uncle (some famous Rabbi?) and killed with with a single
kick, that was one more reason he was punished.

More practically, the rebellion didn't have much of a chance, 
although it was a great success in the early stages. The Roman
army was too strong and they had no qualms about using the most
barbaric methods to quell it.

One really wonders how history would develop if not for the Bar-Kochba
rebellion. Who knows, we might have been much better off...

-Danny Keren.