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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Marvel Collector's Comic
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:32:14 GMT

Howard Z. Shiau (bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: Anyone out there know of the comic that Marvel is giving out to
: people who send in Charleston Chew wrappers?  It was supposed
: to have 4 stories in it.  Is it good?

Bwahahahahahaha!

Good? Look at the cover...

Can we say "Kool Aid Man Comic"?!

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@centi.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Organization: Artistic Squids of the Poor. (Artistic not Autistic)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:31:35 GMT

(Another post about Sandman. I really must get out more.)

As another poster has said, the nice thing about Sandman is the changing
artists allow us different views of the stories. Since the comic itself
doesn't have a set style or central character (even Morpheus has has been
absent from some issues) the varying artistic interpretations seem appro-
priate.

Anyway, if I had to choose a favorite issue so far, I'd be split between 
the award-winning Charles Vess' Midsummer and the Dringenberg's art for
the prelude to Season of Mists. They both have a gothic feel to them but
Vess uses bright colors and sharp lines while Dringenberg's view is
dark and often blurred.(I'm not too keen on the first appearance of Delirium
though. In fact, I really didn't care for Delirium until Thompson started
doing the art.)

What would I like to see? Well, I hope to see The Tempest done by Vess.
I'd like to see McKean do an issue where most or all of the Endless
appear. A sick side of me would like to see Ev Dorkin do an issue even
though I can't come up with a reason to justify it. I'd like to see
Colleen Doran get another shot at a few issues. Maybe she could do one
where Death is sent to pick up a comic book inker.

(Come to think of it, that would actually make an interesting story. An
aging comic writer dies and Death has to sit through his denial phase as
he comes up with reasons why he might not really be dead. "But it was 
really my twin brother who was visiting when the microwave exploded!" "Do
you have a twin brother?" "Not yet, but I can probably retcon one in. He
was kidnapped by Republicans? We were separated at birth? He was really a
clone?")

I keep thinking that Robin Goodfellow will be making a reappearance and
I can't come up with a reasonable artist to do that issue. Maybe McKean.
I can almost see Bisley doing it, though I'm holding a grudge for how
Death turned out in Lobo's Back. I'll have to give this some more thought.
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Vampire Lestat
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:48:13 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

To answer a question (wow! I know something somebody asked about!), "The
Vampire Lestat" is an adaptation of the novel by Anne Rice, originally done
in twelve issues and now collected in a trade paperback. I thought it was
worthwhile, but I liked the original book. The art, however, is done is a
very nice style. 

Webdancer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: SURVEY:  Our buying habits
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:13:13 GMT

In article <143560011@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> In rec.arts.comics.misc, maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
> 
> $250 a month!  Are you insane?

Yes, but that's beside the point.  :-)

> > So, DOES Dave VanDom spend too much?  (I know I do).  Let the people speak!
> >  How much do YOU spend?
> 
> Maybe ten bucks a month.

Slow week:  I spend less than $20 on comics.

But I agree, $250 a month (or about $50-$60 a week) is pushing it.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: mamoun@aqua.met.kth.se (Mamoun Muhammed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Frank Robbins (Re: Liefield stuff)
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:38:39 GMT
	<1992Sep28.025656.23842@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1686F14799.GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1686F14799.GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
>   Frank Robbins was a poor old man ground down by a heartless, meaningless
>   job by the time you all saw his work. He did some great stuff on that
>   40's/50's daily strip, the title of which was Johnny Thunder (?).
>   But even beyond that his late 70's Shadow stories and the stuff he did
>   for DC's _Plop!_ had a perverse and pervasive character (not to mention
>   some solid draftsmanship) that the current crop of superhero hacks
>   can only dream of approaching.

The name of the strip was Johnny Hazard and it ran from Jun 44 to Aug 77.
It was a really great strip in the beginning but it turned rather
political towards the end (Johnny started fighting commies instead of
"just" having great adventures) and the art lost a lot of its charm, but
it was a nice read even at the end.

Johan "not Mamoun" Blixt
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:37:23 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:

> OK, so the artists may act like cocky, spoiled snobs some of the  time,
> but if the art is passable (and in some cases exceptionable) and the
> stories are coherent, whats the complaint? 

By all means, if Image ever gets around to publishing a comic book whose
story is coherent and whose art is "exceptionable", you be sure to let us
all know about it.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Buy Cerebus!! (was Re: sm 2099)
Date: 25 Sep 92 09:56:11 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:

>> >	does anyone know the print run for spider-man 2099???
>> >the reason i ask is because i collect comics for the values rather 
>> >than the story.

>In general, collectibles are a bad investment.  You may want to try
>Certificates of Deposit or a Money Market savings account.

>Anyway, if you want to buy comics as investment, one thing to keep in mind
>is that comics with low print-runs are more valuable if they become popular
>(there's less copies to be found).  So, my suggestion is this:

>			BUY "CEREBUS THE AARDVARK".

>The print-run is much smaller than of any Marvel or DC book.   In fact,
>a Big Two book with a print run so low would have been cancelled a long
>time ago.  And CEREBUS is quite popular (just ask about it in r.a.c.misc).
>So, buy CEREBUS today.  Buy a copy.  Buy a dozen!!

Or buy Bone. This seems to be getting pretty popular
so it may be worth something some day. The print run
on that would be tiny. Im not going to do it though.

Jed
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Organization: Endless Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:42:36 GMT

In article <rdippold.718313509@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>>	This topic was mentioned previously, but the latest issue
>>adds to our tally of the Endless' animal companions. 
>
>>	Dream                     ravens
>>	Despair                   rats 
>>	Destruction               dogs

        Death                     goldfish

>Appropriate - the Dogs of War.

Hadn't thought of that. Despite my lack of Sunday school training, I believe
Barnabas was a companion to Paul during some of his journeys. Any relevancy
to dogs? Theology students want to help me out here?

>>	Although I know that supported speculations about Delirium's
>>animal of choice (butterflies?)
>
>I'd say definitely.

She's created frogs twice if that counts for anything. If Delirium were to 
have a companion, she'd probably lose it. She managed to lose her gallery.
Delight on the other hand may have had a companion creature.

>>and maybe Destiny's have been made
>>before, I can't for the life of me remember and I'm too lazy to check.
>
>How about an owl, or an elephant?

Destiny has those "flappy things." Something like that. Delirium talks 
to Despair about pets in #41. The servants in the prelude to Season of
Mists.

So what does Desire have other than admirers? And who did the cats belong
to?
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:16:21 EDT
From: <JWS134@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Batman Returns on Video

  At the local Suncoast video store, there are orders being taken for this vide
o to be released October 21. My copy is reserved. I just wanted to get some tal
k started on the movie since I haven't been on E-mail till just this September
and probably missed all the talk when the film hit theaters this summer. One qu
estion: Does anyone out there have an answer/opinion about the fact that the Pe
nguin had complete schematics on Bats' car? Complete blueprints? C'mon!


                                                               Joker :-)
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:16:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cfalls@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Craig Falls) says:

>ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:
>
>>In a previous article, c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft) says:
>>>
>>>Have all the image comics except for Spawn decided to go
>>>bimonthly on us or what???  Seems like the only person trying
>>>to keep up Image's image is McFly.
>
>>What do you expect?  When you spend most of your time doing book
>>signings and blowing your own horn, when do you have time to do a book?
>
>	That's not fair, personal opinion if fine, but it give me that sh*ts
>	to see alot of _personal attacks_.  Image is just new, give them a
>	chance to get everything in order (say 6-12 months) and then things
>	may get a bit more regular.  IMHO some of the comics may be a bit
>	average (Youngblood, Brigade, Shadowhawk) but some are enjoyable.

I'm not sure of your point.  One of the reasons the books are late
is because they are making so many appearances and are therefore not
working on the books.  One of the things that can cause a book (or
company for that matter) to fail is if it doesn't come out on time...
-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
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From: david@twg.com (David Herron)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:45:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.215605.15725@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Who's the old aardvark Cerebus flies past?  And was that Astoria still
>in chains?  I thought she was out getting spruced up for her meeting
>with Cirin.

That was Cirin!?!  And yes, that was Astoria..  And what does "spruced
up" mean to a prison guard anyway?


>We still don't know how Pigts reproduce, but the way the use themselves
>up, it's a cinch they must have a way.  Were we told, before, about the
>giant-of-stone prophecy?  It certainly explains Bran MacMuffin's suicide.

They live in warrens.  Obviously they must be part rabbit ;-)

(Hmm.. have we ever seen any female Pigt's?  This is slipping my mind
for some reason.  Maybe they fission?)

I don't remember a giant-of-stone prophecy.  What if that one were put
there by an illusionist?  We'll know for sure if they happen to wander
by a volcano later ...

At this rate there's not going to be any (one?) Pigts left by the time
they find Cerebus.  How is this going to do anybody any good?


	David

-- 
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 15:45:05 EDT
From: Jason Adams <IO00926@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valor's name destroys time/space continuum
 <1992Oct5.130249.11671@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

Let's not forget Valor's appearence (as VALOR) in the JLIQ with Prof. Ivo.
Unless Guy Gardner becomes a GL again, it definitely takes place
after Eclipso.

 - Jason
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: <none>
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:15:10
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA's message of 25 Sep 92 18:37:43 GMT

> You're all a bunch of wankers anyhow!
> I'm the true Mastur!

=o= One wonders why the "true Mastur" can't remember
to use a "Subject:" header . . .
    <_Jym_>
				"You should look behind you,
				Dennis." (54)

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__
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    -- President George Bush.
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: PAD on Spectacular Spidey?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:05:54 GMT

	Could someone tell me which issues of Spectacular Spider-Man
Peter David wrote?  When I found out that he was involved with Spidey at
one point, I knew I had to read some of them. However, I haven't found
anty of these back issues around here.  Also, if oyu could, I'd like to
know what the plot-lines / arcs were called and which characters they
involved, as well as maybe the artist(s).

	Once I find out the issue #'s, I'll post a request to
r.a.c.marketplace (hint, hint).

	Thanks in advance.

	-Gord, who's still working on his .sig file.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Valor's name destroys time/space continuum
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:02:49 GMT

First off, you can't destroy that which does not exist. }->
     Second, I see the Starman #35 story as being proof that Starman returns to
life in the near future, having gained FTL ability (which he lacked in his own 
series otherwise).  Starman is an energy being, and hence a little easier to 
bring back to life for writers.
     Dave Van Domelen, [:-)I  <= Frankenstein's Smiley
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:34:50 EDT
From: <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: rec.arts.comics.misc.


          Anyone hear of any more Hellblazer Graphic Novels due out?
    It'd be nice if it was done like the Sandman ones; reprinting the
    entire run.

                                      the Morning Star
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:16:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Frank Robbins (Re: Liefield stuff)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:

> Frank Robbins was a poor old man ground down by a heartless, meaningless
> job by the time you all saw his work. 

Stoppit, yer gonna make me cry.

>He did some great stuff on that
> 40's/50's daily strip, the title of which was Johnny Thunder (?).
> But even beyond that his late 70's Shadow stories and the stuff he did
> for DC's _Plop!_ had a perverse and pervasive character (not to mention
> some solid draftsmanship) that the current crop of superhero hacks
> can only dream of approaching.

Never saw his earlier stuff.  Maybe it was good.

> I bet you people hated Jack Kirby's
> latter stuff (Eternals, Capt. America, Black Panther, etc.) too.
> Funky material, to be sure, but so much more interesting and creative
> than this current drek.

I never really liked Kirby, ever.

>  
doug
From: William.P.Dorris@dartmouth.edu (William P. Dorris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:06:08 GMT
 <1a9ogpINN59n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <QemGKV200UhBQ6YZQR@andrew.cmu.edu> 
 <1992Sep30.081118.15084@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> 
 <wemPF4u00WBOE1pGo0@andrew.cmu.edu> <bjm1.717924458@Ra.MsState.Edu>  
 <8emopwS00Uzx03xt4M@andrw
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <8emopwS00Uzx03xt4M@andrew.cmu.edu>
jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye) writes:

> 
> Now, if Malibu was to fold...IMHO I don't believe that there would be
> many independant publishers willing to pick up Image with their current
> track record. Who want's unreliable profits? How can you speculate on
> how much you need to increase your staff and resources when you don't
> know when the money is going to be coming in?

  I think that the question might be "could" as opposed to "would".  I
remember reading a long essay of sorts at the end of Grendel:Warchild
#1 about creator owned publications.  It describes how creators are
generally left with a tremendous hassle in taking their creations
elsewhere in the event that a publisher folds.  Didn't Matt Wagner own
the rights to Grendel?  
  I could be wrong on all this of course, as I am by no means a law
student, and don't have the issue with me!
  I just had another thought...  If the Image creators were faced with
a tremendous hassle in the event of a Malibu fold, what would they do? 
I have a vision of them finding another independent publisher and once
again its another million copy issue one extravaganza.....(Seeing as
#1's seem to be  the bulk of what they put out :))

Will
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From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Subject: Re: UPC
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:50:13 GMT

In article <BvDCq6.L0r@cda.mrs.umn.edu> dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099) writes:
>Meaning no disrespect to Obscure Trivia Lad, but doesn't upc stand for
>universal price code?

Universal PRODUCT Code.  The first five #'s are the company number,
the next five are the product number.  The price lists are in the
scanner/register.

-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@frith.egr.msu.edu|  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton 
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Organization: Calm Blue Water...and a Muskie the Size of Boise
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:00:05 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct3.173224.19407@hellgate.utah.edu>, speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
> What "trash" did Fantographics put out during the B&W boom?  Lord knows
> they've put out some bad titles in their time, but I don't recall anything
> I'd call trash (i.e. of low quality and done for purely cynical reasons).
> I don't believe that they did any ADJECTIVE, ADJECTIVE, SMALL FURRY ANIMAL 
> titles, for instance.

	Are you kidding?  They did about HALF of them--they were all over the
furry anthologies.
-- 
"Heavier than air flying machines are impossible."                             
--Lord Kelvin, c. 1895.                                                        
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Sandman #43
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:15:22 GMT

Wow!  Sandman #43 is one of the best issues to date.  No dramatic
revelations, not much action, no side-splitting humor -- just solid
and superb writing from the beginning to the end.

The writing gets off to a wonderful start as Gaiman introduces us,
in easy stages, to an understanding of what is meant by 'old'.  The
numbers he drops (ten *thousand*!) suggest a world that is far stranger 
than it appears on the surface -- a strangeness at the roots, not the
sort of surface strangeness of, for instance, super-powered folks in
brightly colored long-johns flying through the air.  It's also a
thoroughly Gaimanish tip of the hat at the comics that are forever
digging up new millenia-old villains that nobody's ever heard of before.

This introduction does far more than set the atmosphere, though.  It
also sets up a mystery:  Someone doesn't want Destruction found.  (I'd
guess it's most likely to be Desire, as this sort of murder -- while
within Destruction's jurisdiction -- seems out of character for him.
But is Desire *allowed* to kill?  It *is* trespassing.)

And the scenes with Delerium work.  That's a tribute to Gaiman's skill
in itself.  It's very hard to write such scenes.  That's why passages
in which normal rules have been relaxed -- dream sequences, for example --
tend to be so trite.  But Gaiman manages to keep Delerium just strongly
enough moored to reality to be worth paying attention to, and just strongly
enough linked to Delight to be an enjoyable character.

In fact, every little conversation works -- the dog, the little girl...
The skill required to write well, and sometime brilliantly, is far more
common than the discipline to rework a piece until *all* of it is
written well.

I wonder whether we'll see that little girl again.  She has a good head
on her shoulders.  I wonder whether they'll lose or dismiss the chauffer,
so that Delerium gets to drive after all, or whether Gaiman decided 
against that part of the story.  I suspect that the key line in this
entire issue was Morpheus's "You can stop being anything."

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 Are full of passionate intensity." -- W.B. Yeats
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
From: <DKERR@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 00:17:01 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

I personally would LOVE to see Bill Sienkiewicz do an issue.  I can already pic
ture an all-discussion issue between Desire and Death.  Or a Destiny story migh
t be fun, too.

Darin Kerr                         "And the only thing worse than an
dkerr@vm1.nodak.edu                 angry drag queen is a minotaur."
dkerr@ndsuvm1.bitnet                         -- Kids in the Hall


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