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From: cherokee@cscns.com (Jim Black Eagle)
Subject: DESPERATELY NEEDED: Tsalagi language course(s)
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:59:20 GMT

Hi people!

I was wondering if anyone out there can help me find a good course
(preferably with tapes) to learn the Tsalagi language.  I am Eastern
Cherokee, but sadly enough, my Filipino is ten thousand times better than
my Tsalagi, and I live out in Colorado, where not too many of my people
are.  I'd really appreciate any help I can get in this regard.

WATONH in advance.

TONDAGOHAINH

Jim Forsyth (Black Eagle)
cherokee@cscns.com

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU!leeson_k
Subject: RE:  "Thunderheart"
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 23:29:22 GMT

Original-Sender: CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU!leeson_k

Ward Churchill's book is called Agents of Repression.  He also has has an
article in a new book titled" The State of Native America: Genocide,
Colonialization and Resistance"  It is edited by Annette Jaimes.  Also
showcases Vine Deloria, Glenn Morris, Jimmie Durham, Winona LaDuke and John
Mohawk to name a few.  I don't know who directed Incident at Ogala but I
know it is narrated by Robert Redford.  I hear it is excellent.  I still
think Peter Matthesons' (sp) book In The Spirit of Crazy Horse is good to
read as far as the incident on the Jumping Bull ranch goes.

P.S.  Has anyone heard any more about Leonard Peltier's court?

Karen


Newsgroups: alt.native
From: steveho@sco.COM (Steve Hoff)
Subject: John Trudell's Album/CD AKA Grafitti Man
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:01:03 GMT
Keywords: John Trudell Album CD


   I just received a copy of John Trudell's CD AKA Grafitti Man.
It's on Rykodisc (RCD 10223). It's produced by Jackson Browne.
The first track "Rockin the Res" has definate Jackson Browne tones,
and I like it. The rest of the tracks are quite good too! Has anyone
else heard it (or heard of it)?

Steve R. Hoff (SCO Educational Services)

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Steve R. Hoff
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Florence Steele <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU!fs>
Subject: Re: movie "Blackrobe"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:25:56 GMT

Original-Sender: Florence Steele <uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU!fs>

I WOULD LIKE TO REFER YOU TO WARD CHURCHILL'S ARTICLE IN THE LATEST ISSUE OF
Z MAGAZINE REGARDING THE FILM, 'BLACK ROBE'.
Florence Steele
fs@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU
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Trying to bury the truth is like trying to bury water.  It keeps seeping
out.
                    Jean Bertrand Aristide
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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!prism.gatech.edu!kt6
Subject: Re: movie "Blackrobe"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:31:09 GMT

Original-Sender: prism.gatech.edu!kt6

I too found it very violent and graphic.

Kevin M. Torres  	       	       	(404) 853-9269
Research Engineer       	      	internet: kt6@prism.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute 	       	       	
Centenial Research Building Room 493
Atlanta, Georgia 30332


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From: Carlos Rodriguez <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cr11>
Subject: Re: movie "Blackrobe"
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:44:38 GMT

Original-Sender: Carlos Rodriguez <cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cr11>

It was not only violent but unjuctifiable violence.  The mutilation
scene, it was never explained why they were cutting off the priest's
fingers.  I had watched this film with some Mohawk friends and they
were both shocked and horrorfied at the killing of the boy.  They said
that children were never killed but taken and given to those families
that had lost a child by war or disease.  Child killing is strictly a
whiteman's thing.
They were also upset about the so called romance between the native
girl and the white young man.  Why is it that in "hollywood" you never
find a native girl falling in love with a native boy.  Why is it that
she is always shunning those of her own race?
Another thing that my friends and I complain about is why are there so
few present day films about native americans.  I personally would like
to know, when is the Tony Hillerman movie coming out.  Also what, if
anything, can we do to let the movie makers know what we want to see?
Walk in Beauty
Carlos
From: dgh@dgh.Eng.Sun.COM (David Hough)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Van - Clothing - Needed for Lakota foster children
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:46:19 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dgh

Needed - loan of van or covered truck for six days
Needed - donations of new or good quality used winter clothing, blankets, toys

Sonny and Elaine Reyna of the San Juan Bautista Indian Council have been
collecting clothing, blankets, and toys for 300 foster children in the
Lakota Sioux reservations of South Dakota.   If you've ever been through a
midwestern winter you can imagine what it's like on the reservations.

Their particular need right now is for the loan of a van or covered truck
to carry the things they've collected back in time for Christmas.  They've
got a couple of Lakota men to drive or help drive.
They want to leave on Sunday December 20
and return on December 24 or 25, weather permitting.   

They also would be glad to accept additional donations of new or good 
quality used clothing, blankets, and toys.

Anybody with a donation, or a lead on a vehicle, or who would like further
information may call Sonny Reyna at
	(408) 623-2379, 10 AM - 5 PM
or
	(408) 623-2108, other times	

--

David.Hough@Eng.Sun.COM
From: cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca (Chris Voidis)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Native Horoscope
Summary: I am looking for info on any Native horoscopes.
Keywords: Horoscope, Native
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:24:07 GMT
Organization: York University


    Hello!  I am looking for any information on Native American
horoscopes.  Are there any, how do they work, whre can I get more Info,
etc?
    If anyone can help me on this, please send me e-mail.  Thanks in
advance!!!



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    	    	    	    	    Chris Voidis
    	    	    	    	    York University
    	    	    	    	    Dept. of Philosophy
    	    	    	    	    cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Interesting Video
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:51:46 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	Last night I finally saw the documentary style video/movie titled
"Incident at Oglala".  At first I thought that it might have been a movie about
the Wounded Knee occupation in the 70's, but it was about Leonard Peltier's
conviction by the Federal government.  Before this video, I only knew about
what the media had protraied about this event.  I was more than pleased to hear
the unseen and supressed facts that the government withheld from the case
originally.  It also left the feeling that the government had indeed used any
and all means to convict Leonard, going as far as to fabricate evidence against
him.  It proved to me that even in today's society, we, the native americans, 
are still being suppressed and thought of as an inferior race.  I really think
that this video helped to prove that not all the facts were presented and/or
not properly presented by the government.

	I highly reccomend that anyone not familiar with this case watch this
video.  At the end of the video there is a list of names, a couple congresional
representatives and the white house address.  I've listed these below for anyone's
use to help Leonard's case for dismissal of charges and release.

		Sen. Danie Inouye, Chairman
		Select Comm. on Indian Affairs
		838 Hart Office Bldg
		Washington, DC 20510

		Rep. Don Edwards, Chairman
		Civil & constitutional Rights Subcomm.
		2307 Rayburn House Office Bldg
		Washington, DC 20510

		President of the United States
		The White House
		1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
		Washington, DC 20500
	


	Being new to this net, only a few months of reading, and tracing my
native blood lines and not knowing that much or as much as I would like to about
resent events, trial and turbulations it was great to see this video as well as
read many of the articles in this group.  I have greatly enlightened into the 
truth about many issues and falseified history.  

	I was wondering. In both videos, 'Thunderheart' & 'Incident at Oglala',
AIM was shown and played a major part of the films.  Is AIM still active?  I
agree with triing to preserve the 'TRADITIONAL WAYS' and was just wondering
if they were continuing that work or if they had faded away.  
	
	As stated in previous post, I am learning about my heritage and thanks to
many of you out there I have been able to learn alot about the past as I search
through my resent past.  I'm interested in learning more.  As I learn, I pass it
on to my children so they learn and become proud of their heritage.

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From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:49:59 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

I think one of the best steps anyone can take to preserve their
own culture, not to mention consciousness of self and others,
is to turn off or throw out the TV set. It is a powerful medium that
displaces what is real in one's own life with what is unreal, a
replacement of the vital with the trivial, of relevant information
with disinformation.

Quite a bit of the alienation that people experience is due to the
substitution of tube unreality for their own experiences. There is
a real problem when people attempt to live out their lives based on
perceptions gained through such an artificial, misleading yet
powerful sensory medium.

Too, it separates people from others, and from development gained by
the exchange of ideas. Television is a one-way medium, homogenizing
and never allowing a rebuke. Government officials and sociologists
have expressed satisfaction with the stability that it lends to
American society - it pacifies in a way that adventures and aspirations
are played out passively as people lie or sit on couches, rather
than acted out in the real world. It increases dissatisfaction and
alienation while it does this, because nothing actually changes. How
many constructive actions or even revolutions has TV watching
aborted?

Neil Postman has written that in modern America, Big Brother does not
so much watch us as we watch him - by choice. Yet the effect is the same
dehumanizing and tyrannizing one as occurred in Orwell's 1984. We are
amusing ourselves to death.

The problem is terrible for everyone, but particularly abominable for
American Indians, because our own identity is stolen from us and then
a schizophrenic, shattered mirror version peddled back to us at high
cost. It is a moronic modern way of being sold into slavery.

Get a life!

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peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
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From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!vms.cis.pitt.edu!RASTROFF
Subject: Re:  Life and what it means to be of Metis status
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:46:00 GMT

Original-Sender: vms.cis.pitt.edu!RASTROFF

Hi folks,

I've been reading the discussion on being Metis, and while I am catching
up on my messages and therefore may not yet have read all the comments,
I would like to make a small contribution here.

As Lyn pointed out, it is common to hear claims (accusations, really) that
people of "mixed ancestry" -- from whatever racial, national, ethnic, or
religious group -- are "confused," not knowing who they are, or where they
belong.

The point I wanted to contribute is that such a notion of identity is
based on the idea that we all have one and only one identity or position in
the world, thus throwing us back once again on notions of purity.  In fact,
we all have many identities that we negotiate every day -- in my own case,
teacher, student, colleague, daughter, sister, friend, white, non-Christian,
woman, New Yorker, Pennsylavanian, etc etc etc.  And if the society around
us denies us the spaces we already occupy -- that is, if they insist there
is a contradiction in being female/independent, or Euro- and Native
American, -- then our job is to take those spaces back, to insist that
we are already what others say we cannot be.

Roberta Astroff
rastroff@pittvms

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From: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>
Subject: Merry Christmas to All!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:13:00 GMT

Original-Sender: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>

Just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday season, and to help start you
off in the right spirit, thought I would send along a little ditty I picked
up off of another list. Since all of us work with computers, this should
strike a familiar chord. Here goes.  --Liz
	------------------------------------------------------



7-DEC-1992 02:11:43.75                                  NEWMAIL
From:   ASNUAH::WINS%"<pals-l@knuth.mtsu.edu>"
Subj:   A little Christmas Cheer?
From: robinson@knuth.mtsu.edu (David Robinson)

Here's something I found on the usenet newsgroup rec.humor.funny.
Since  we all deal with computers, I thought you might enjoy  it.
I point out that this was written by Cary Hobson, *not* by me.

--rec.humor.funny--
From: hobson@pipper.enet.dec.com
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 92 12:20:01 EST
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re:  Life and what it means to be of Metis status
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 22:58:29 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

geezer@skyview.bison.mb.ca (Geezer) stated in his (?) posting:

> we began discussing Metis people (I am
> Metis, by the way) and culture. My question is:  What does it mean
> to be Metis?  My friend threw me a curve when he said, "Metis
> people don't know which way to go!"  Is this true?  I started
> to get confused, I guess you could say.  So if anyone out there


Storyteller Gerrard A. Tsonakwa, an Abanaki from Canada refers to the
Metis as being "walkers between two worlds" ... i.e., trapped between
two cultures; not knowing where you belong.

It seems quite curious that 'Geezer' states "I am Metis" followed by
"what does it mean" .... hmmmm.

David Campbell, who is from Ghiana and a bi-cultural person and one of the
"survivors" of Columbus' holocost in the Carib. actually has recorded a
song called "Metis am I"  which more or less reiterates what Tsonakwa.  When
I was young my Grandfather called me a Metis ... and I thought he meant
this as a status of being a mixed blood ... and if Tsonakwa's explanation
is true, this probably fits most mixed bloods ... although there are many
Full Bloods who are uncertain as to which Culture they belong to ... though
I'm certain it must be more painful for them.  Buffy Ste. Marie also makes
reference to Metis in one of her old songs, if I remember correctly, and
she of all people should know.

I'll be interested to see what other responses come in on the subject of
being a "Metis"

lyn

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"We did not weave the web of life.  We   | Lyn Dearborn
are merely a strand in it.  Whatever     | Naturalist/Person
we do to the web, we do to ourselves"    | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
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From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Additional Info Requested
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:49:15 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


I was wondering if there was an official flag used by either the
Montana Lakota's or the South Dakota Lakota's?  I remember in the book
"Spotted Tail's Folk" there was a mention of one used in a treaty council
meeting created by the reservation agent.  I was wondering if any exist 
today or are use today as a form of identification of tribe.  Also, 
someone mentioned to me that AIM and the United Indian Council had flags 
that represented them. Is this true?  If so how could I get any discription 
of them and/or an address to send a request to?

Thanks again,

Steve Lucas
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Interesting Video
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:56:19 GMT
Organization: Community_News_Service

Hau, kola!

Just out of curiosity, isn't Danie Inouye from Hawaii?

And what nation do you belong to?  (I'm Eastern Cherokee from Alabama).

Tondagohainh.

Jim Forsyth
(Agv'nige Wohali)
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>
Subject: Get rid of the BIA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:16:00 GMT

Original-Sender: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>

I agree completely. Incidentally, I have received information via another
list that Clinton has an E-mail address via Compuserve. Apparently, at
present the messages are being answered by an aide, Jock Billings, but there
are plans to make it a public communications channel. If anyone wants to
make this suggestion via E-mail, here it is:

	President-Elect Bill Clinton
	75300.3115@compuserve.com

Does that suggest any other interesting topics to put on the network for
his consideration?
--Liz

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 Systems Librarian              Internet: uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net
 Univ. of Ala./Huntsville       Compuserve: 72457,1560
 Huntsville, AL 35899           Phone: (205) 895-6313
                                Fax: (205) 895-6862

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From: co014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Virgil Morant)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: movie "Blackrobe"
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:17:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: co014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Virgil Morant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zedaker@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (pmw) says:

>Has anyone seen the movie "Blackrobe"?  I saw it and found it rather  
>interesting.  Any thoughts?

I have seen _Black Robe_.

I have heard two complaints in conversations about the film.  One
complaint I've heard (before I even saw the movie) was: the depictions
of violence and sex are too explicit.  That is a point on which I mostly
disagree for reasons, into which I am not inclined to go.

The other complaint, which initially surprised me was: _Black Robe_
portrayed American Indians unfavourably.  I suspect that some persons
got that impression from the fact that the film's rival tribes were so
cruel to each other, as well as the fact that certain Indians were
particularly mean to Father LaForgue.  But, I think the Indian
characters were well-developed, and some -- like Chomina, the leader of
the expedition -- were rather noble.  Also, I think, Father LaForgue
really did love the Indians, despite what some of them did to him.

In the end, it is best to look at _Black Robe_ as a story primarily
about its title character, a Jesuit missionary.  It has some rather
interesting American Indian characters, but the protagonist is clearly
Father LaForgue.

What are your thoughts, Z?

-- 
Virgil Thomas Alexander Morant

Newsgroups: alt.native,news.groups
From: delisle@eskimo.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.native-america
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Public Access Internet & Unix -
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:00:37 GMT


	I beleive that using ``soc.culture.native.*(american)'' is
better  than  ``soc.culture.native-america'' on the grounds that 
with a `` . '' it is eaiser to deal with the creation of higherarchies
for realated groups.  The use of a `` - '' appears a little limiting.  
	Placing this into the SOC level of groups should increase
the distribution readership since there are a lot of sites that don't
receive ALT groups as they tend to haver lower credibility.   
	
 


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Internet direct: delisle@eskimo.com

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From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re:  Native American gifts for the Holidays
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:40:03 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

Regarding the instructions for making Hand Game sets... Counting sticks
should be Twelve (12) not ten (10).  The directions call for Maple staves,
but the MiWoks usually used elderberry.  Both are equally acceptable.  Further
south, the tribes used Elderberry almost exclusively.

Happy Holidays!

lyn

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are merely a strand in it.  Whatever     | Naturalist/Person
we do to the web, we do to ourselves"    | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
		Chief Seattle 1854
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From: myahgula@questor.org (Michael Yahgulanaas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: BLACKROBE...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:12:16 PST
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

As in the Last of the Mohicians where Russel MEarns plays a role, 
Blackrobes enlists the assistance of contemporary leader Billy Two Rivers 
to create an atmosphere of authenticity. However the focus of the two 
films is NOT the First Nations but rather the same old tired caucasian 
myth and story. First Nations continue to function as a background, a 
scene where the important story unfolds. In this sense I see no 
difference between the the noble red savage myth we have all experienced 
or participated in, and the two films.

From Haida Gwaii



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From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: B.I.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:14:48 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

  I wonder if Clinton will see the value of getting rid of the BIA
during his term in office? After they "lost" $77Million in 91 and no
one in the Bush administration did anything,I think it is time.
  All people have a right to fail...Take all their land out of trust,
where they were put in 18?? because they were not "civilized" and let 
them have their lands.  Instead of the lease monies for lands that hold
40% of this countries natural resource going to the BIA to "lose" again,
get the indians back their lands.  Many tribes are free and independent
now because the US gov't has broken every one of the 371 treaties that 
congress passed and the presidents signed.
  The indians of Maine (passamqodies????) have done it and are doing far
better than any white man ever figured they would. I think it is time to
call the whole thing to Clinton's attention and get rid of the BIA and give
All indians back what belongs to them.
   The Sioux still hold the Black Hills and the money is in the bank drawing
interest. Leave the Dann sisters alone and free Peltier!