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From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: Re: Macedonian Recognition after US elections.
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.183931.15705@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.160938.16119@walter.bellcore.com> ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324) writes:
>>
>>	The best thing would be to split up the Skopje, have a referendum

The referendum voted for a Free and Independent Republic of Macedonia.

>>	and let people decide which country do they want to join: Bulgaria,
>>	Greece, Albania or Serbia. As it now stands, recognition of
>>	"Macedonia" can only bring problem into the area.

I am amazed someone would actually write this, though I am not surprised.
It has been coming for some time. A renewed line of argument is needed after
the Macedonia "name game" lapses...

>        The most meaningful proposal for the long term *interests* and 
>        *desires* of the people living there.

Exactly what Mitsotakis's Greece has always wanted, but shall never reach.
Regard and Concern for Macedonia?? Borders with Serbia?? We know the answers
to those *now*.

>        Instead of having a not viable state, which tries to survive
>        the internal erruption by selling irredentism against its nei-
>        ghboring countries to its own suffering people, a split of
>        the type:
>
>        Serbia     30%        (demographics, faught for it)
>        Albania    30%        (demographics)
>        Bulgaria   30%        (old demographics)
>        Greece     10%        (    "   , buffering the "dog" of Ottoman
>                                                                shadow)

Presented with the above out of the archives we're obviously not supposed
to see but were so greatful for Gregory to provide us with, I thought of
a more realistic and balanced proposal. What do you think? Dividing
what we now know as Greece (nb. a different Greece a hundred years ago):

    Albania               30%  (old demographics)
    Turkey                30%  (demographics)
    Republic of Macedonia 30%  (old demographics)
    Hellenic Athens       10%  (old demographics)

	The only losers out of this would be the hyperactive Metaxis 
	worshippers currently under the cradle of Mitsotakis, who
	continue to live believing 1992 hasn't arrived, and can proceed
	with atrocities within its borders and still lay claim to no
	minority abuse.

			"ZVRME CAZE CE NA PRAVO"

>        Are we going to repeat the political miracle which lead to
>        the 1st Balkan War?
>
>           "LETS ERADICATE THE TERM BALKANIZATION FROM THE
>                        WESTERN DICTIONARIES"

	Are we going to accept the blueprints presented by Gregory
	with the interests of Greece pushing for an explosion of
	instability within the Balkans?? Since when and why does
	Greece want to be part of the Balkans anyway. Its understandable
	to 'eradicate' such terms when they mean so little to one.

	"LETS ERADICATE THE TERMS METAXIS AND MITSOTAKIS FROM THE
			MODERN WORLD DICTIONARIES" 

SAS.
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:15:08 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

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RTw 11/10 0636 AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE ...
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AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE RIGHTS ABUSES
 (Eds: Release at 0001 GMT Nov 11)
    LONDON, Nov 11, Reuter - The Turkish government has failed to fulfil pledges
to improve human rights and political killings and torture in Turkey continue
unabated, Amnesty International said on Wednesday.
    "It is time for the Turkish government to face up to its responsibilities
under international law and bring perpetrators of human rights violations to
justice," the London-based human rights organisation said in a report.
    Amnesty said political killings were reported "virtually daily" and security
forces appeared to be implicated in many of them.
    At least 100 unarmed civilians in southeast Turkey had been killed this year
by security forces shooting at peaceful demonstrators or randomly firing on
residential areas in retaliation for attacks by rebels in the Kurdistan Workers
Party (PKK), Amnesty said.
    It condemned rights abuses, including "executions" of prisoners and the
killing of unarmed civilians by the PKK and other opposition groups but said
this could never justify the violation of human rights by the Turkish
government.
    "There has been too much talk and too little action on the part of the
Turkish authorities," the Amnesty report said.
    The pattern of killings had changed in the past 12 months, it said, with
more than 100 Kurdish men -- journalists, local politicians and others -- shot
dead in "mysterious murders."
    Many of the victims had previously been threatened, detained or tortured by
the police and there was growing evidence to suggest that security forces
colluded in such killings and may instigate them, the organisation said.
    Detainees had told Amnesty they were severely beaten and subjected to
electric shocks and various forms of sexual assault.
    They said that victims and their relatives who tried to take legal action
against torturers had been threatened by police.
    "Despite repeated appeals by Amnesty International for the establishment of
commissions of inquiry, the government has failed to initiate any form of public
inquiry into the killings," Amnesty said.

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From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Paranoikos Nomos!
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:31:21 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu


>Paranoikos Nomos...
>
>Gia na mhn nomizoume oti oi nomoi ths Elladas einai palavoi. Molis
>diavasa oti kapou stis HPA apagoreuontai oi thysies zwwn gia thriskeutikous
>logous. (douleia den eixame...)
>
>Dhladh otan emeis sfazoume thn gallida (turkey) ta Xristougenna h 
>cotopoulo (chicken) otan themeliwnoume spiti (gia to kalo!) eimaste
>barbaroi? Gia ta provata epishs?


Re Spiro, den prepei na sou fainete katholou paraxeno avto. Min xehnas pos 
avti i hora dimiourgithike apo thriskevtikous fanatikous gia thriskevtikous 
fanatikous. To mono dinaton apotelesma avtou eivai pos thahoume mia zoi pa-
lavoi nomoi. Min xehnas, avti einai i hora opou o nomos theorei to poto pio 
simantiko apo to na psifizei kaneis avton pou tha eleghei to piriniko oplosta-
sio gia 4 hronia, kai meta anarotoun oloi gaiti pinoun sa ktini. Episis, eipa-
rhei terastios plithismos edo pou vazei tis fones ean dei otidipote pou nahei 
shesi me to sex se mousiki, vivlia, klp. alla theorei entelos fisiko to na bo-
rei na agorasei opiosdipote stratiotiko oplo me to opio borei na katharisi oli
ti gitonia tou. Mipos eides to sinedrio ton republikanon fetos to kalokairi?
Itan frikto. Den leo, ehei kai ta kala tis avti i hora, allios den tha 'mastan 
edo, alla kati tetioa re file... tipota na min sou fainete apithano.


                         -Alexis    

"Without music there would truly be reason to go mad."

                             -Tchaikovsky
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: 1st Re: Jesus of Nazareth
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:51:22 GMT

In article <4424@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>I heared several hundreds times , persons in some trubles asking some
>saints to help them , and i never heared anyone saying :
>
>Oh maria ( paule, jesus, christopher or any other saint) please ask
>god to help me.
  Have you ever been to Tiberias (Tiveria) ? Why make the effort to
  pray _there_ rather than anywhere else?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: European Stereotypes
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:11:16 GMT

In article: <9211091455.AA25253@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>
c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

> Spyros Gavrilakis writes:

>> The Belgians sleep the most and
>> the Greeks the least. 
>
>Did they count the 'siesta' time? Sleep at work?


But you see, Spyro, they HAVE to sleep at work to make up for
the sleep lost when partying during the night!


>
>> The Portuguese  work the longest - this does
>> not imply that they are the most productive. 
>
>And I believe the Greeks the shortest? :-) (Greece, where everyone
>wants to work for the government due to spectacular work week, 8
>to 3). 


If there were a reasonable measure of {compensation/TRUE hours worked}
the greeks would be characterized, on average, by a huge value of
this index, if not breaking all records [to be fair: the
public sector alone would be enough to accomplish this, greatly
overpowering the LOW relevant index of the private sector - which, as
well known, works his ..ss off to feed the whole of Greece].
 
If, also, there would be an index: {economic-and-other-DEMANDS/true hours
worked} the greek public sector would produce a value that is tending to
infinity. 

>> The Int. Herald Tribune carried a small item 3-4 weeks ago
>> saying that according to a Swedish specialist (forgot her name)
>> the Italians are the best lovers in EC. 
>
>Pleeeez. If they're the best lovers why do they need all the 
>stimulation they can get (reference to the umpteen hundrend adult
>channels in Italy)
>
>> She actually recommends
>> to women to offer themselves by going on hols to Italy. 
>
>They tried that with Greece, remember all the (single 30's) women
>from Germany and the Scandinavian countries flocking to Rhodes
>and the Aegean Islands? Remember KAMAKIA?
>
>> I was
>> reminded of this article since a German publication gave last week
>> an endorsement to the Italians as the best in this respect.


Hey, don't worry Spyro, the Greeks have been consistently second after
the Italians (I'm serious now) in that respect, based on several 
relevant polls. You see, there are some things that we do good!!!

Regards,
L. Skartsis


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 00075883@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT 4 HELLENES
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:18:26 GMT

The Library of the International Centre of Hellenic Diaspora in Rhodes, GR, is
 undertaking an effort to acquire and preserve the works & writings of the Gree
ks abroad as a record of their achievements and for the benefit of the people
 of Greece. Thus the Centre appeals to all Hellene Intellectuals,authors, who
 reside and work outside GReece and who have created. or published material in
any field of Science, the Letters and Arts to donate a copy of their work, in
 any language, along with vita to the library
PLEASE TELL OTHERS
 
SEND WORKS TO Hellenic Society Paideia  or International Centre for Diaspora
              31 Brightwood Rd.            Rhodiaki Epavlis
              Bristol, CT  06010 USA       851 00 Rhodes, Greece
 
For additional info contact Thanasis Sarantopoulos
                            <00075883 at YSUB.YSU.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: fassouli@fraser.sfu.ca (Dimitrios Fassoulis)
Subject: Ellnvika
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:57:51 GMT


Xairetw ta plnqn

    To ovoma mou eivai Dnmntrns Fassoulns, kai par' olo pou parakolouqw to 
scg gia 3 mnves peripoy, dev exw kavei post mexri twra.  Epidn omws stelvw 
(kai lambavw) mails sta Ellnvika, kai episns parakolouqw to scg, to qema 
tns avtistoixias ellnvikwv - lativikwv xaraktnrwv me apasxolei sobara.  
Eimouv etoimos va kaqnsw va grayw eva front-end programma gia to PC (gia 
ellnvika se VGA), mazi me kapoio filtro pou q' allazei merikous xaraktnres 
(otav grafw ellnvika), p.x. gia to nta plncrologw 'h' kai meta bazw tov 
editor va to avtikatastnsei me to 'n', grafw 'n' kai to allazw se 'v' klp.  
O logos eivai oti etsi kai mporw va grafw polu pio grngora (to briskw pio 
eukolo va pataw to idio plnktro gia mikra - kefalaia apo to va pataw 'H' gia 
kefalaio 'H' kai 'N' gia mikro 'H'), kai to mail diabazetai kalutera.  Auto 
to filtro ua mporei va to allajei o kaqevas apo opoiadnpote avtistoixnsn se 
opoidnpote alln tov/tnv boleyei.  Me eva deutero filtro ua mporei va apeiko-
vnzei ellnvikous xaraktnres (av oloi grafouv me tov idio tropo) stnv oqovn 
gia ta mails pou lambavei, alla auto qa dnmiourgei problnmata me mikto 
ellnviko - aggliko keimevo. 
    To parapavw problnma kai n teleutaia suzntnsn eivai oi logoi pou kavw 
post.  Mia kai isws kapoioi va exouv asxolnqei me to qema, yparxei kapoios 
tropos va xrnsnmopoinsoume kai ellnvikous kai agglikous xaraktnres sto 
Internet (me ta katallnla front ends fysika), kati avtistoixo me oti symbaivei 
me ta ellnvika sto PC (me 8 bit characters);  Av auto eivai duvato, tote to 
problnma aplopointai arketa, afou uparxouv polloi pou diabazouv kai grafouv 
xrnsnmopoiwvtas PCs, MACs, SUNs, NeXTs klp.  Autoi pou xrnsnmopoiouv termatika 
qa exouv toulaxistov mia staqern avtistoixia ellnvikwv - lativikwv pou eivai 
kalitera apo to tipota.  Av auto dev givetai, tote qa prepei va yparxei 
kapoia seira xaraktnrwv pou mporei va xrnsnmopoinsoume gia va evergopoioume - 
apevergopoioume Ellnvika (kati sav START GREEK - END GREEK xwris va faivetai 
stnv oqovn, gia to filtro movo).  Me ta duo filtra to problnma luvetai afou 
o kaqevas ua mporei va grafei oti tou goustarei (:-)) kai va diabazei oti 
qelei ( :-))))) )

    Ti lete gia ta parapavw;  Pisteuete oti mporei va givei kati;  Katalabaivw
oti isws va eivai arketn douleia alla av glitwsoume apo ta spastika lativo-
grammeva ellnvika...  :-)))
    
    
    Dnmntrns, Vancouver
    fassouli@sfu.ca
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Subject: This is a test
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:34:24 GMT

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From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Macedonian Recognition after US elections.
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:45:11 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <1992Nov8.160938.16119@walter.bellcore.com>, by ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324):

> 	The only thing that we shoul worry about is the real intentions 
> 	of Skopjans of uniting with Bulgaria and destroying the current
> 	peace beetwin Greece and Bulgaria.
> 
> 	The best thing would be to split up the Skopje, have a referendum
> 	and let people decide which country do they want to join: Bulgaria,
> 	Greece, Albania or Serbia. As it now stands, recognition of
> 	"Macedonia" can only bring problem into the area.
> 
I think the increasingly frequent noises from Serbia on the above theme
and the fate of various other Balkan communities recently demonstrate
only too well why Macedonia might wish to acquire some arms...

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Us Modern GREEK scumbags!
Keywords: Addressing a Historical Mercinary for the Turkish Government
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:47:12 GMT

In article <Nov.7.16.01.26.1992.14610@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.020256.14236@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
>
>> more decades he would have known what happened to the Greeks.This is so
>> because he would heard the opinions of two of the most prominent 
>> statesmen of the 19th-20th century.
>
>
>Ahem... Are these individuals supposed to be historians or followers
I used the word statesmen!NOT HISTORIAN !
>of their national interests ? Let's remember what diplomacy is 
>supposed to be about;  "Diplomacy is the art of lying for
>one's country." I forgot who said it.
>
>
>The statements from these gentlemen, however they might have
>sounded when uttered, these days sound a lot like; "Let's call
>niggers niggers."
>
>It's very unfortunate that this cropped up again. It's apparently
>still not understood that it is this kind of stuff that infuriarates
>most Turks. It's this attitude that Mutlu is trying to fight,`
>however unsuccessfully.
>
>
>> Saladins of Syria,nor the cultured Moors of Spain.They were,upon the 
>> whole,from the black day when they first entered Europe,the one great
>> anti-human specimen of humanity.Wherever they went a broad line of blood
>> marked the track behind them,and,as far their dominion reached,      
>> CIVILIZATION DISAPPEARED FROM VIEW."
>>              William Gladstone

Clemenceau said that the Turks could'nt maintain in peacetime what they
acquired in war,this is diplomacy?This is propaganda?Read the writings of 
ANY historian and they say this!!Lets take a contemporary example Northern
Cyprus,tell me why the Greek section's economy booms,while the Turkish 
sections economy is dying.
I admit the quotes were a bit extreme,but were used to highlight a point 
to Argic that his view of history is extremely childish!
>
>
>This wouldn't be from a little book called "Blight of Asia",
>would it ?  Why don't you post a little more from the book
>and let the readership see what other things are true according
>to the author of the book, and according to you apparently.

Sorry sir these quotes don't come from the afforementioned book,I'll
be sure to find this book now!
>
>
>Taking world war propaganda and quoting this out of context is
>not exactly intellectually honest, is it ?
QUOTING "NAZI" "HISTORIANS" IS NOT INTELLECTUALLY HONEST EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!
>-- 
>
>	mark	
>
DHMHTRH

>
>   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
> ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
I see so the Greeks 


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From: filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU)
Subject: Mia metafrasi
Summary: metafrasi diskolou tehnikou keimenou apo agglika sta ellinika
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:22:13 GMT

Tin parakatw paragrafo tin eihe parousiasei o Spyros Triantafyllopoulos
sto <<SCG>> ws deigma mi metafrazomenou keimenou (;;;).

Ekana mia prospatheia kai perimenw ta sholia sas.  Episis, o,ti vrisketai
metaxi agkilwn ([]) einai enallaktikes liseis sti metafrasi.  Telos, tha
ithela na sas pw pws oi gnwseis mou ellinikis orologias tis Pliroforikis
einai midamines mias kai ton kairo pou 'mouna sto E.M.P. to mono shetiko
mathima pou eiha kanei itan mia koutsi-stravi-ki-anapodi <<FORTRAN>>.

Kalo Savvatokiriako s'olous sas!

Dimitris

>>  "This graphical user interface, running under the X windows system,
>>  uses a variety of widgets to facilitate user interaction.  The
>>  interface uses a number of radio box buttons, sliding scales, and
>>  scrollable text fields to accept compiler input parameters. A
>>  pushbutton then executes the compiler in the background and
>>  displays the results in the appropriate window. The user can always
>>  interrupt the compiler with the "abort" button".

S' afto to endiameso [programma] grafikwn apeikonisewn, to opoio trehei
[leitougei] sto [me to] perivallon [sistima] <<X Windows>>, hrisimopoi-
eitai mia seira stoiheiwn gia tin diefkolinsi tou telikou hristi.  
To sigkekrimeno grafiko endiameso [programma] hrisimpoiei enan arithmo 
pliktrwn <<radio box>>, olisthenouses klimakes kai kiliomena pedia
keimenou gia na dehtei tis parametrous eisodou gia tin metaglwtisi.  
Otan o hristis patisei ena orismeno pliktro, to programma-metaglwtistis 
xekina tin ektelesi [leitourgia] tou sto ipovathro tou ipologisti [hwris 
afti i leitourgia na fainetai ston hristi], enw taftohrona parousiazei ta
apotelesmata (lathi, k.lp.) se ena parathiro tis othonis [tou
termatikou].  O hristis mporei panta na diakopsei tin metaglwtisi
piezontas to pliktro <<abort>>.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas)
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:44:52 GMT


In article <schoinas.721508418@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
>santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:

>>Compiler = Metaglwtisths
>>Interpreter = Metafrasths.

>Compiler = Metafrasths
>Interpreter = Diermhneyths

>>Syggvwmn, alla to Diermnveuths eivai margaritari.
>>Poios "egkefalos" to epivonse? To Diermnveas 6ev tou ekave
>>sto katw katw tns grafhs?

>Alhueia, den katalaba akribvs to problhma soy me to diermhneyths.

To i6io opws otav les tov ergatn ergateuth, tov kourea koureuth,
tov xasapn xasapeuth kok. Pisteuw va katalabaiveis tn 6iafora.

>Kai telvs pantvn poia h diafora metajy metaglvtisth kai metafrasth?

O metaglwtisths metaglwtizei apo mia glwssa se alln:
opws kavei o C++/Modula/Eiffel compiler/metaglwtisths sou.

O metafrasths paei frasn frasn: opws kavei o ML/scheme 
interpreter/metafrasths sou, kai sou metaferei ta apotelesmata.

H apo6osn metaglwtisths/metafrasths eivai i6avikh.

>[...]Ara katalhgv oti an prokeitai na xrhsimopoihsv ta "blaxoellhnika",

blaxo-egglnvika eipa :-)

>opvs ta les, gia na synnenohuv me kapoion Ellhna gia thn pleiochfia
>tvn periptvsevn eilikrina den dinv dekara gia to poia ua einai h
>epishmh metafrash gia to elaxisto pososto tvn orvn eyreias katanalvshs.

Kavovika 8a eprepe va 6ivetai n apaitoumevn prosoxh.

>Kai janalev oti to problhma einai poios ua kanei aytes tis metafraseis.

Emeis.

Xairetw, Filippos
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