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From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Persona
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:23:30 GMT



I think we have lost the thread of the original reference. What she was 
obviously trying to teach with her remark was that in her time, women were not
allowed to hear "mens' poetry". This is a lesson in itself, and I think a
pretty good one. She may not even know the poetry mundanely, only the custom
she was illustrating.

I thought it was an excellent way of bringing up the subject of sexual roles in
poetry without getting the whole class off onto the mundane subject of modern
feminism. Very effective, in fact.

Moreach
From: BLISSA@UNC.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Julitta's Section 3
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:14:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

***********************************************************
                 Julitta's War Suggestions
                      Section 3
Also consider, in your zip-lock bags in your cooler,
the possibility of a bag of marinated beef cubes, &
small, peeled onions (you already have those skewers
from the sausages, right?  And I bet if you took a bag
of already cooked rice with almonds & spices in it,
you could maybe make a package of rice wrapped in foil,
to heat in the ashes, to go with your shish-kebab.....
Utterly decadent, & no dishes to clean.....
Cedar oil to spray in your tent will keep otherwise-
friendly bugs out (have we mentioned ticks?), & you
should bring bug-repellant (citronella oil does work,
buy a small vial & mix it up with a harmless base, like
olive) you ARE in the woods.  O, the cedar oil will also
cover up the smell of a mustly tent, or grungy armor.
Do you know about Avon's "Skin-so-soft"?  Many people
swear by it.  Supposedly the company sells so much of
it for the purpose of bug repellant (without ever labelling
it that way) that it's not worth their while to do the
necessary research to prove that it's effective, such
that they COULD market it as bug repellant.
However, I find that if I take a nice nap, about sundown,
for an hour & a half, or so, the mosquitos have mostly
dined elsewhere, & that I am fresh for the evening's
Bardic-hopping :-) .
Hats-- there are nifty broad-brimmed felt hats for sale,
in certain colors at the War, many people take straw
hats with them, & Katie the Shrew sells really nifty
leather outside, sheepskin inside, colored Phrigyan
caps (but no brim) which actually was a style worn at
many different times & places throughout period.  I had
a friend make golden leather horseheads for me, & glue
them on either side of my green one, & now it's identifiable
because it's my device (well, mostly).
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Persona
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:35:18

 Fra Tadhg Liath unto "Edward V. Wright" (Nicholas, is that you?) and all
others unto whom these presents shall have come giveth greeting:
 
 EV> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
 
 EV> >Never said it wasn't.  However, to withhold knowledge that one has from a
 EV> >student who desires it merely because one's "persona wouldn't know that"
 EV> >is an instantiation of a class that I call "stupid persona tricks,
 EV> >all of which share the general characteristic of not only being
 EV> > "not useful" but also "alienating", especially to new people.
 
 EV> There seems to be an underlying assumption here that a good teacher ought
 EV> never to withhold information from a student.
 
 No, merely that this is an inappropriate pretext for doing so.
 
 EV> From the description of the class, it sounds like the 
 EV> instructor was using 
 EV> persona as a pedagogical technique to make a certain point, and it seems
 EV> to me she made that point rather effectively.
 
 Well, it was certainly effective in reinforcing my conviction that such
 persona games are absurd.
 
 EV> There is another point that no one here seems to be making.  Perhaps
 EV> the teacher in question did not know any more about that form of poetry
 EV> and was using her persona as a subtle way of excusing herself.     
 
 My difficulty is not with the subtlety but with the offensiveness; were I
 a student in that class, I would find thoroughly offensive a statement
 that *implies* (whether it states it or not) that the teacher knows and is
deliberately not going to say.
 
 Is this so unnatural a reaction? Am I being oversensitive? Would NO ONE
 ELSE in this situation be as angered as I would be? If so, then I guess
 it's just me being peculiar (again); if not, I'd appreciate hearing some
 other viewpoints.
 
 --- Msg V4.5
 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Richard.Boyko@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Boyko)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Vivat Arval!
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:10:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/43 - U of S Computing Se, Saskatoon Sask


 On 04-09-92 Yaakov HaMizrachi wrote... 
 
 YH> Heart Vivats to Arval on his Pelicaning. 
 YH> I'm sorry I wasn't there to see it. 
 YH> 
 
Vivat again from Layamon unto Arval! His help on my device, which, if 
it passes, will be Or, two bars dancetty and in chief a greyhound 
courant contourny sable [Yes, Arval, I changed my mind!], was 
greatly appreciated. 
 
Layamon le Vavasour of Cambridge 
Myrgan Wood Pursuivant. 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.32 * error 217: tagline out of memory 

--  
Richard Boyko - via FidoNet node 1:140/22
UUCP: ...!access.usask.ca!weyr!43!Richard.Boyko
Domain: Richard.Boyko@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org
Standard Disclaimers Apply...
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From: nnpeters@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Neil N. Peterson)
Subject: Knowne Worlde Whatchamacallit Project
Keywords: Update
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:29:18 GMT

Unto the good folk of the Rialto, greetings from Lady Arnora the Frazzled.

Over the past few weeks, I have received names of kingdom liason contacts
for all but Trimaris now; however, due to exam panic, I have misplaced
the names/email addresses for the Atenveldt and Outlands contacts (and
possibly the Atenveldt contact, but if that's Kaela Orian, then I'm doing
much better than I thought!)  Would those kind gentles please resend their
addresses to me?

Actually, could I get all of the kingdom contacts to drop me a line at some
point in the next ten days, just so I can check all my addresses?

As to the point of copyright, here's the current working plan:
The TI uses a form of release which all submittors must sign, stating that,
while the TI has permission to print the art/article, all rights remain
with the author/artist.  No problem.  According to my legal advisors,
that release letter should adapt perfectly for our purpose as well.  If
the kingdom liasons can get their hands on a copy of the TI to have a look at
the release form, great; if not, let me know and I'll put a copy on line
for you.

This means, of course, that we cannot accept anonymous submissions; if
someone comes to you with a piece, saying "But everyone knows it!", we still
have to give credit where credit is due, and get someone to sign the
release form.  Its extra work, I know, but someone has to do it.  Please make
sure if you are snail-mailing me any submissions, that they are accompanied
by said release form.  Having given it some thought, I guess this means that
all submissions sent on to either myself or Andrew will have to be
{sigh} snailed.  Ugh.  Ickky poohey, but oh well.  I will have Andrew post
his receiving address asap, and mine is:
Karen Murphy
Box 1815, Station C
Kitchener, Ont. Canada.
M2G 4R3

As soon as I have had all the liasons check in, I will get around to
posting the liason list (yeah, I know, I promised to do that a while ago),
so that we all know who each other is, and to whom we are submitting
our, uh, submissions ....

I think I'll just go write that psych exam, now ...

Arnora "Dances-With-Vikings" Dunestan 
and if anyone is confused now, drop me a line and I promise to make it worse...
From: MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Rhinoleum
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:10:08 GMT
Organization: The Internet

HOLD!
(best way to get a fighter's attention, on or off the field)

Let us not jump to conclusions, milords. When you see those people calling
blows that dented their armor light, it is probably because it SEEMS light!
When the armor dents, it absorbs energy. The more energy it absorbs, the
less the wearer of the armor feels the blow. A blow that dents your opponent's
armor will feel lighter to him than it actually is. Please, let us not cast
about accusations of not taking blows without talking to the fighters in
question.

Wulfgar Silberbaer, who has heard stories of people being knocked over by
greatswords without taking the blow :(
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: SCA in SF/Authors
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:54:21 GMT

In article <9204141554.aa28298@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:
>I have heard that Esther Friesner and Ketherine
>ahem, Katherine Kurts are also SCAdians.  Can
>anyone confirm this?

Don't know about the former, but the later at least *used* to be known
as Bevin Frasier of Sterling.  She was Principality Senseschale of
Caid--and Kingdom Seneschale as well (I think . . .).  She was also a
Princess of Caid, plus all the usual stuff that accumluates on an
active, energetic, and talented SCAer.  The rest of the week, she
worked for the LA Police Dept.--which (through an odd story) is why,
when asked what she did for a living, she'd reply with a wicked gleam
in her eye. "I'm a narc!"  (For those who don't know her or have never
seen her, she's a quite classic tall, beautiful blonde.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)

-- 
=======================================================================
Hal Heydt                    |    Vegetarians eat vegetables.
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |      
510-823-5447                 |    I'm a Humanitarian.
From: Charly.the.Bastard@f1014.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Charly the Bastard)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: question of contest judging ethics
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1992 03:41:00 -0500

re: A&S judging and conflict of interest
 
I feel that artisans should be allowed to judge in their field of expertise, but
should not, repeat NOT, judge their own work.  As things currently stand in
Ansteorra, entrants are not allowed to judge in type, bringing mucho bad
feelings due to the lack of in type technical expertise.  We have entertainers
judging metalwork, and failing miserably.  One of our best smiths made a
beautiful damascus dagger, and was told 'It would look better if you ground out
all those little wavy lines.'  Needless to say, he went ballistic and no longer
enters anything in A&S competitions.  The solution is absurdly simple; abstain
from judging your own work, someone else will.  Compile the scores from all the
judges and average them, the highest average is the winner.  But... this
eliminates all the politicing, so it's right out.
 
Charly
From: kuhn@zariski.harvard.edu (Robert M. Kuhn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Seneschal & Newsletter Editors
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:47:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr15.154713.11134
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.


principality seneschals, kingdom & principality newsletters.

My Lady has a question for the Rialto:-

Could you let us know (off line, I can summarize) the names, addresses,
and e-mail contacts for the seneschals and newsletter editors of the 
Kingdoms and Principalities.  before I receive too many flames ...
the which may be saved for me in the here-after, I have the couriers
and findsca.txt sources, which are wonderful but may not be 100%
up-to-date or complete.

Many thanks,

Sebastien (Robert Kuhn, kuhn@math.harvard.edu)
From: asparrow@cs.umr.edu (Lynde d'Eath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Population increase in Calontir
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:02:05 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: asparrow@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu

Unto the Rialto, greetings from Callanish.

Mudd the Mighty and Lynde d'Eath have been blessed
with a daughter: Anastasia.  Both mother and child are
fine and hope to be at Triatian Wars later this month.

Mundane stats:
Victoria Alexandra Sparrow
0310 CDT 10 April 1992
weight 6lbs, 13oz
length 19.5 inches
hair: blonde
eyes blue.

More details through Private inquiry.
Lynde, home and recovering

From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: More membership???
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 19:39:30

The Society had grown too large????  Too many participants at events???  Well, shucks, we'll just tell the hospitalier to cease welcoming newcomers then.... in about 5 years, there won't be any members (most Society members stay only 3-4 years), and that Duke should be happy... sheesh!

I have never heard such a stupid argument to rationalize national membership!  Why does he think that a policy of requiring that all attendees be members would cut down on attendance at events??? Sure, it might initially, but what would probably happen is that prospective folks would just play locally at meetings and fighter practices and such until they decided to become members.  Some might just attend locally FOR YEARS.
  
It would mean that we couldn't bring newcomers to an event to see whether or not they really wanted to join.  Member's parents would be excluded from seeing that their kid isn't really joining the Satanists or some other weird cult, as they wouldn't be allowed to come watch a tournament.  The kids geting married at events couldn't invite their out-of-Society friends and put them in costumes for the wedding at the event.  How sad a Society we'd become!  The wonder and awe a newcomer or his parents or his fr



iends at the medieval wedding express in our group is one of the things that makes the Society a special thing.  Let's not lose that for the sake of making more money on a national level!

--Vashti of the Flaming Tresses, Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra  (Dallas)


 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Wm the Conqueror, Member
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:10:08

Willeam de Corbie said...
>Eliminating those things which the Coprporation does, which do not fall
>in the above cathegory, has little to do with the question of whether a
>required membership fee is right or wrong, good or bad. It is a matter
>of cost efficiency and keeping the administration from growing too fat.

Speaking of which, does anyone know why they quit publishing the
financial data in the T.I.?  Up until a few years ago, they were
showing the EOY reports (or summaries of them, at least.)  Now they
don't do that anymore.
___
 X MegaMail 2.10 #0:"Really honey...Just one more message!"

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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Camp Ovens
Organization: Organization??? 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.163505.9315@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>In article <17764800000@ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU> U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU writes:
[stuff deleted] 
>>....  I believe that the Dutch
>>oven itself is an 18th or 19th century refinement, but I suspect that
>>the method of baking in an iron pot surrounded by coals is much
>>older.  Does anyone here have an idea of how far back this method
>>can be traced?
>
>Given that the widespread use of iron cookware dates back to a bit
>after Abraham Darby set up shop in Colbrookdale . . .  18th century
>sounds about right.
>
>(Remember--iron used to be *e*x*p*e*n*s*i*v*e*.)

True....  Doew anyone know whether bronze/brass/copper/etc. would 
stand up to such use?   Or better, does anyone know for sure whether 
it was done?  
 
While we're on the subject of bread, does anyone know whether 
pasta is period, or have any sort of sources for early (ca. 1200) 
cooking in northern Italy (specifically Venice)? 
 
 
Alexander of Kiev 
 
Carl Alexander
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
 

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From: schuldy@bedford.progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Feasts and diet restrictions
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:27:29 GMT


Mistress Marian Greenleaf wrote:

                                   (I'm allergic to a couple of foods as
  well, so sometimes I can't eat everything that's served.  I'd rather
  handle this myself than make a fuss about it.)

That's something that I've been forced to think about, a lot,
lately.  I used to be quite the adventerous eater, and enjoy
everything.  Medical reasons have forced me (and it took a lot
of force) to restrict myself to the most rigid diet.  No feast
could possibly be so limited, and have any appeal at all. *

However, my lady is not so restricted, and neither are most of
my customary dinner companions at events.  I'd love to put on the
kind of off-board feast that invites others to join me, but that
would mean cooking two off-board feasts.

I'd like to raise a couple of points for discussion.  For one,
there have been several times where I've quietly bought an on-board
fare, for the privilege of sitting where I'd like.  This seems like
a waste of money and food.  Second, several times when I have gone
off-board, the off-board tables are very second class (at the far
end of the hall, in the basement, in another room).  Away from the
entertainment, the toasts, most of the revelry.

Can anyone think of good solutions to this?  How do other people
cope with extreme food allergies, or dietary restrictions?  Do
the folks that leave the site for dinner do so because off-board
space is unpalatable?  Other questions abound.

	Tibor

-----------
* Coronary artery disease has put me on a purely vegetarian, non-fat
  diet.  Not even skim milk, egg whites or nuts.
-----------
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Western vs. Eastern events
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 20:55:18

I used to consider 5 hours my travel limit in the Midrealm.  My first event was 10 hours (including lunch and dinner breaks) from Bloomington, IN (Shire of Mynydd Seren, I'm a founder) to Battelcreek MI to the Society Decennial, but I rarely travelled that far after that.  Partly because I was too tired at the end of a long ride, partly because I was always riding with others, as I didn't own a car at the time.

Now I live in Ansteorra -- very centrally, Thank goodness! -- in the Barony of the Steppes (Dallas, TX).  We have two cars, and sometimes they go to events at opposite ends of the kingdom.  This weekend I'll be helping out at the SCA demo section at OU's Medfaire (a one weekend Ren faire) in Norman OK (Barony of Namron) doing rapier combat and dancing, whilst my heraldic husband will be at the Tournament of the Round Table in the Shire of Shadowlands (Colleg Station/Bryan, TX)  to attend the Herald's Meeti



ng.

Each event is 4 hours away, which is fairly standard.  He may be driving alone.  I'll be travelling with two chivalric combat fighters, a knight and a good squire.  Nowadays, a far away event is 6 hours or more, and we'll sigh and then start driving.  At least most of the roads are good in Texas and Oklahoma!

I probably know the way to more cities in TX and OK than most people not in the Society.  We attend anywhere from two to four events a month, tho that's down a bit since Tadhg (Tim of Angle, mundanely) stepped down as Star Herald.  At least we are well-travelled, eh?

- Vashti who needs to stop this computer stuff and get packed...... 



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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: question of contest judging ethics
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:20:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr06.150546.32947@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>"Should a judge of any arts and science competition be permitted
>to enter their own work, and pass judgement upon it?"
	
	Actually, I would not want to judge a competition where my work was
entered, because I would be _harsher_ on my own work. When you see someone
else's work, you see all the good parts, even if you go looking for mistakes
you will miss a few. You know where _every one_ of your own mistakes, 
inaccuracies and corner cuttings are. I do not feel particularly honor-bound
to point out mistakes to judges if they aren't going to notice them ("Oh, by
the way, I used half-stitch instead of whole-stitch on that one leaf by 
mistake... "). Knowing that they are there, though, I _would_ feel honor 
bound to knock off points for them. 
	I'll happily let other people judge, and just keep my mouth shut,
thank you very much :)
							-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         |    Ilaine's EZ-garb workshop:
Ilaine de Cameron  |
                   |    "First, take a sheep. Start with a small one ..."
ilaine@panix.com   |
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: eek!  more time travellers!
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:54:14 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Just when I thought we had rid ourselves of time travellers, another
one seems to have entered the organization:  Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin.
She writes:

>The way I have always heard the story was that Marion went to the Park
>Rangers' Office to fill out the form so we could get Joaquin Miller Park
>to hold the second tourney in (June 21, 1996--the first one I went to).
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hahahaha!  Caught you.  Tell you what; we won't turn you over to the
Time Patrol if you give us stock quotes for the next three years...;-)

Fujimoto
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From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi)
Subject: Ooops, historical error
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:24:28 GMT

I appear to have made a mistake in my
posting about waivers.  Henry II initiated
the Common Law in 1176, not 1186, as
I posted earlier.  There were additional
writs added in 1186, but the writs of Mortmain
Novel Deseisen, and Parsonage were in the
1176. (Mortmain contested the legitimacy of an
assignemnet of land to the church. It means
'dead hand.'  Since the Church never died, land given
Parsonage was a right to appoint the local priest.
Novel Deseissen contested the ownership of land.
Someone with a writ protested someone elses possession,
claiming that it had been newly taken (a literal
translation of the writ) from the real owner.)
These writs grew out of the chaos that followed in
the wake of the civil war between Stephen and Matilda.
It is interesting to note that this period is
called the
Unlaw, because no precedent from the period had
legal validity.  To prove the truth of the claim,
a litigant assembled the local freemen into a jury,
and demonstrated through popular recollection
that he was in the right.  To enforce the decree,
the kning sent justices out to ride circuit
(hence our own federal courts of appeal are called
ciruit courts).  This was the element that ensured
that the law was common throughout the land.
(Incidentally, some justices rode circuit in the
beginning of American history.  Several Supreme
Court justices rode circuit until about 1800.)

This went on longer than intended, sorry.
(The problem with history is that it is far more
entertaining than fiction, but is typically taught by
exceedingly bad/boring teachers.  I sometimes think
that high school history teachers deliberately teach
boring classes to weed out all but the most dedicated.)

Yaakov
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