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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update (12-17-92)
Keywords:  Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:03:46 GMT

Tuesday (12-15):

MICHIGAN STATE 79, Illinois-Chicago 75:  Shawn Respert hit four big free
	throws in the final 1:09 to lead MSU past UIC.  Respert led a 13-0
	charge that lifted the Spartans into a 60-46 lead with 12:29 left.
	The Spartans still led 65-50 a bit later, and appeared to have things
	under control with 5 minutes left.  But, Sherell Ford hit two threes
	and other scores by the Flames cut the margin to 73-70 with only
	1:58 to go.  MSU went back up 77-71 with 1:09 left before UIC again
	closed to 77-74 with :23 to go.  Respert then sealed the win with
	his last two FTs.  He scored 21 while Mike Peplowski, last week's
	Big Ten Player of the Week, led MSU with 23.  Both MSU and Illinois
	struggled to beat UIC, while Houston rocked the Flames (2-3) by 26
	last Saturday.  Hmmm...  14,757 at the Breslin Center...

Wednesday (12-16):

OHIO STATE 76, Wright State 55:  Lawrence Funderburke netted a careeer-high
	28 points and snared 10 boards to lead the Buckeyes.  OSU used a
	14-0 run early to take a big 29-13 lead, but the Raiders (4-2) cut
	into the deficit the rest of the half and pulled to 38-32 by the
	break.  They further cut into the lead in the second half, and
	actually took a one-point lead at 47-46 with 15:04 to go.  But,
	OSU's Doug Etzler put the Buckeyes back up with two free throws,
	and OSU then pulled away again. Ohio State had a big advantage on
	the boards, 41-24.  13,276 at St. John Arena...

Thursday (12-17):

	Texas A&M at Northwestern


STANDINGS
		  Overall	   Conf			     Ratings
Team		 W	 L	 W	 L	USA Today/CNN	AP    Sagarin
----		--	--	--	--	-------------	--    -------
Iowa		 5	 0	 0	 0	      8		 8	  9
Purdue		 4	 0	 0	 0	     14		16	 20
Ohio State	 4	 0	 0	 0	     27		30	  7
Minnesota	 3	 0	 0	 0	     --		--	 35
Indiana		 7	 1	 0	 0	      4		 4	  5
Illinois	 6	 1	 0	 0	     28		34	 57
Michigan	 4	 1	 0	 0	      6		 6	 16
Michigan State	 4	 1	 0	 0	     21		23	 24
Northwestern	 2	 1	 0	 0	     --		--	129
Wisconsin	 3	 2	 0	 0	     --		--	104
Penn State	 3	 2	 0	 0	     --		--	141
		--	--
Total		45	 9
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From: dew6c@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:47:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.123054.21170@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
> One of the best regular season performances by a conference that I can 
> remember was the ACC in the '85-86 season.  Duke, UNC, and GaTech were
> ranked #1,2,and 3 for much of the season.  Each was #1 for at least some

That's not quite the way I remember it...  North Carolina and Duke had
excellent seasons - this is true - but Tech did not do nearly as well
as expected.  They came off their 1985 ACC Championship season in
which they beat North Carolina 3 times and lost to eventual champion
Georgetown in the Sweet Sixteen.  They had Mark Price and John Salley
coming back for their senior years, and yes, they were pre-ranked
number 1 by many polls - in everybody's top 5.  But it was a miserable
year for them...  They lost nearly half their conference games, lost
in the first round of the ACC tourney (if I remember correctly), and
they lost in either the first or second round of the NCAA's.  That may
have been the year that they lost to their nemesis, the Richmond
Spiders.  Anyway, I don't think that '85-86 was a particularly banner
year for the ACC.

- Dallas


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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Best team in Wisconsin (Was: Re: UW-Milwaukee...) 
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:37:24 CST

In article <1992Dec16.171859.31756@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
>
>	The best team in the entire state of Wisonsin (college) is
>the number one ranked team in diviison III.  There was a nice write
>up in the Sports Illustrated Collge Preview edition.  They went 
>undefeated last year, and look to do the same this year.  The
>team?  The Univesity of Wisconsin (origanal :D) - Platville.	

Didn't UW-"Platteville" (damn Hawkeyes can't spell!) just lose a game
very recently, like last night or the night before last?  Hell, Tim, though
probably nobody caught it, you've just proven that the JO Woofing Therom
works even in Division III.

Though I am not belittling UWPl's accomplishments, I seriously doubt they
could take on any of Wisconsin's Division I teams.
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:38:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Jeff,

Speaking as a lifetime UofL fan, I really don't see the pressure that say,
UCLA gets to win, win, win here in Louisville.  I mean, if it were so bad,
Crum wouldn't have been offered that new contract.  We're pretty much willing
to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while, he deserves a little
consideration having 6 trips to the Final 4 and 2 championships to-date.  I
agree with the earlier poster who noted Louisville would have been much
stronger with Alan Houston (They'd probably have avoided the losing season
on his talent alone).  Well, Crum's getting #6 Osbourne next year, so he's
going to have some serious talent over the next few years.  I'm not rulign out
a Sweet 16 appearance this year, it's awfully earl. (Note, this is not all
directed against Jeff).

Mike
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From: lowood@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Jason Kidd FLASH!!  (Plus a Green Thread)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:25:27 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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From John Horgan's "Front Row" column in the San Mateo Times--

"Finally a hoops truth can be revealed:  Jason Kidd's Irish chromosomes
are keys to his success..."

The article goes on--in a lighthearted fashion--to describe the euphoric
boost Horgan experienced when he discovered Kidd is a cousin of his at a
couple of removes.  Via the Molloy family, if anyone cares.

Being of an ethnic background that makes names like Detlef Shrempf and
Christian Laettner sound quite normal, I began to wonder if there were any
other good players who could be suspected of having Irish genes.  At first,
I thought there couldn't possibly be very many, but then names like Chris 
Mullin, Bobby Hurley, Chris Dudley (?!#) began to crop up.  Well, are these
folks Irish?  Can anyone come up with an all-Irish team (no fair counting
LaPhonso Ellis)?              

Henry (to whom Todd Lichti--well, at least the Lichti part--sounds normal.)


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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:26:01 GMT



|> In article <8089@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
|> >I only have been watching college hoops since about 1980, so I can only
|> >vote on years since.  I would have to say that the best year for a
|> >conference since 1980 was either the 1982 ACC or the 1985 Big East.
|> >1985 Big East gets my nod because the Hoyas were totally awesome.  Who
|> >else did the ACC have in '82.  Was Maryland good?  They usually were
|> >back then, except for a dry spell where all they had was Branch.  I
|> >think that this dry spell was happening in 1982.  Yeah, I guess the Big
|> >Yeast gets the vote.  Syracuse was probably solid.  Was Pitt any good
|> >then?
|> >
|> >There was a year when the Big Ten was awesome.  In 1988 weren't Purdue
|> >and Illinois awesome, and Michigan and Indiana strong?  That was a tough
|> >Big Ten!

Wrong year which serves Purdon't deleted...

You are thinking 1988-1989.  Michigan won, Illinois was in the final four.
Indiana won the Big 10 and was the second seed.  Iowa was still very tough
with BJ, Gamble, et all, and OSU still had Burson - this was the year he
was injured and that really hurt OSU.  The Big 10 was a real monster that
year... 7 teams into the tourney.

Murph
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Date: 21 Dec 1992 07:01:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Please turn off the caps-lock key. ;)

I guess it's easy to get impressed when your team beats an opponent by more
than 40 points (Witness UK-Morehead), but it's not like Butler is a real
opponent, I mean, come ON. ;)  Now, if UNC goes unbeaten in the ACC, I'll
start to notice... ;)

Mike
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update (12-11-92) Correction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:21:43 GMT

Well, my Chicago Tribune schedule is worse than I thought.  Besides
mistakes for Illinois I've found, I've been notified about one each
tomorrow for Iowa and Wisconsin:

12-12:

	Iowa State at Iowa
	UW-Milwaukee at Wisconsin

Keep me posted if I leave off one of your favorite team's games.  Both of
these could be quite interesting...

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Should a woman coach a women's team?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:07:59 GMT

rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:
>
>Thank you for your thoughts, but not for your patronizing tone.

It's okay, you get them all for free.

And to clarify what I said: there are certainly women who are
qualified to coach men and women's hoops at every level.  But the
structure of college hoops makes it very unlikely that there will be a
female head coach at a major college in the near future.

A more likely scenario, in my opinion is this: A woman is hired by an
NBA team as assistant coach, and after a long service (and maybe as a
result of somebody being fired in mid-season) she gets a chance to be
head coach.  At the NBA there is no recruiting and no alumni, and the
players are more mature (or at least older), so there's fewer people
who need to be convinced that "a woman can do the job."

Well, maybe the CBA is a more likely place.  After all, in the CBA
they have already had a woman player.


--Gidi
From: sheth@cs.iastate.edu (Divyesh K sheth)
Subject: Re: Big 8 - Best Conference?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:47:30 GMT

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:


>	I think it's hard to compare this time of year.  You need to look
>	at who everyone is playing.  I thought Iowa State had at least
>	3 losses themselves, so the Big Eight has to have more than 3?


Iowa State has only two losses. One to FSU and the other to Iowa.

But it seems that third one is due pretty soon as they play Michigan
on Saturday.

Divyesh.
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From: micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen)
Subject: NCState v UPenn
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:55:28 GMT

Does anyone have a final score for last night's 
NCState v UPenn game.

Micah Rosen    ******      Univ. of Virginia B.S. Architecture 1990 "Go Hoos"
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From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:49:06 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:


>	Well, the color thing has a lot to do with it, unfortunately...

JAZZY: YOU'RE A PIG!

>	But, U could compare Hurley's playing injured w/ Magic, but I can't
>	see what else U could compare the two.  Magic's a big guy, Hurley's
>	a smaller guy.  Magic isn't too quick, while Hurley is.  Magic gets
>	a lot of point posting up, Hurley's almost strictly perimeter.
>	If there's a guy U can really compare to Magic, it's Anfernee
>	Hardaway.  Very similar.

>	Price a big-time loser?  He just happens to be one of the best point
>	guards in the league for a premier team, and an annual all-star.
>	He's also one of the best outside shooters in the game.  He has
>	a propensity to getting injured -- but think about it -- the guy
>	is not a great athlete.  Him playing NBA basketball (at least
>	athletically) is like either U or me trying to play 40 minutes a
>	game on the court.  He just happens to have some basketball talents
>	non-athletically that make him such a great player (i.e. hard work,
>	dedication, basketball sense, etc.)

>	Jazzy J

Can't we just get this Jerk Jazzy J to shut up????? Obviously, Jazzy
hates Hurley and will refute anything good that anyone says about him.  I'm 
really getting sick of you disagreeing with everything that anyone says.  

First Hurley wasn't anything like Price now he's not as big as Magic (the 
comparison was about playing styles...)  Who cares????  It's just someone's
opinion!

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Andre Reid Injured
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec10.135623.28455@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> 
|> It took me a while to notice it....but it seems that you are actually picking
|> on poor Andre Reid. I almost missed it. I suggest you come down here to 
|> Tallahassee and _really_ learn how to pick on that sorry, no-good, two-bit,
|> God-colored-me-black-but-made-me-play-like-I'm-white, muther fucker.
|> 
|> >	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
|> >"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
|> 
|> Kevin (have a nice fucking day)

Finals going that bad, heh???

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From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Recruiting - SouthWest
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.123020.6976@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>
>Not very good if you judge in terms of rankings. Why has the SWC had such
>a rough time recruiting? Is it all that football?
>
  (depressing list of SWC recruits deleted....)
>
>Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com


   Keep wondering...  Year after year it is the same story.  Incompetence
   of the coaches is what comes to my mind. The reputation as a Texas
   conference doesn't help either (this is an intangible that Arkansas
   brought to SWC.  Losing Arkansas seems to be hurting SWC more than
   I thought at first).

   Texas is one team that shouldnt be doing as bad as they are doing. 
   Penders seems to be good at picking guards. Getting Terrence Rencher
   from NY was indeed a good thing. But I don't think Penders will ever
   get Texas over the hump (ie, staying in top-25 with any regularity)
   till he gets some decent big men. Penders seems to have absolutely
   no clue on coaching any inside play. Panama Myers and Locksley Collie
   showed no improvement during the two years at Texas. Dexter Cambridge
   (who Dick V said was going to be the next Larry Johnson !) also went
   the same way. It was pathetic to see Cambridge trying to throw up three
   pointers rather than going inside.  The only decent inside guy that Texas
   has now is Albert Burditt (a highschool McDonald All-American) who is
   wasting his years under Penders. I dont think Penders can convince any
   self-respecting big-kid to go to Texas, and I think that is what hurts
   his recruiting. In other words, his incompetence...

   Rice does seem to have found a good coach. Watch out for them in the 
   future (incidentally, they are the only team who landed a top-100
   prospect in SWC).

   I have given up on Penders (I am close to it, at least).  He never 
   seem to learn from  the problems his teams have had in the past.  There
   is only so far a team could go with guards doing jump-stop all the time,
   and he will find it hard to land even good guards to Texas if he keeps
   losing the big-games like he does. When a team has what many consider
   to be one of the top 3-4 backcourts in the country and people dont pick 
   them in the top-25, they must know something about his do-nut teams.
   He is developing quite a reputation for his incompetence !
   I sincerely wished he would leave Texas last year.. oh well...
   (But, then again.. He did take us to NCAA four times and to final-8
    once. May be I should thank him for whatvere he has done to a no-name
    program !  At least, his teams have been decent. )

   Sorry to digress and ramble on.

   GO HORNS !

   Jay   (still upset at the way the horns lost to the tarheels...)
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Dream Game quotes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:53:02 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>They need someone a little bigger to handle point come, say, the Indiana
>game. So, I hope Tony's a quick study. Keith LeGree doesn't always make
>the best use of his considerable physical talents, so the UL game didn't
>point up Travis Ford's problems. Thank goodness. [UofL oddity: 2 players
>in their top 6 who could have pro careers in sports other than basketball.]

	Let me guess... along w/ LeGree, perhaps James "Boo" Brewer?  I
	remember he was a big-time running back at Bardstown, and was
	recruited by the likes of Oklahoma and Notre Dame.  

	But, along the lines of a big point guard -- perhaps Harrison
	could fit the bill?  He's around 6'3"-6'4".  Or, they could just
	go w/ Brown at the point (at least defensively) and bring in
	Brassow or Braddy.
 
>I think I remember the player you're talking about. The motion is just such 
>an odd spaghetti-pot of elbows and hands and shoulders. Most b-ball players 
>are so economical in the way they move.

	Hot Rod Barnes certainly didn't look like a basketball player.
	He had no neck, and would drive the lane throwing up weird floatin
	shots that always went in.  He was an All-SEC performer.  He was
	so herky jerky with his dribble and the way he moved... so ugly!
	He played in the mid-80's on those pre-Glass teams w/ the likes
	of Tim Jumper and Joe Ayers.  Classic SEC ball.

	Jazzy J

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Sagarin's NCAA Division I rating (top 25)
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.151521.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cpsigd01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.155637.175@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>> 
>> Here are the top 25 teams in Sagarin's rating.
>> 
>> 
>>  No   Team             Rating  Record  Sched.Strength
>>  --   --------------   ------  ------  --------------
>>  01   North Carolina   101.91   3-0       73.12
>>  02   Duke              95.68   3-0       66.97
>>  03   Cincinnati        95.07   1-0       63.31
>>  04   Kansas            94.55   2-0       86.56
>>  05   Missouri          92.03   1-0       73.12
>>  06   Oklahoma          95.73   2-0       71.70
>>  07   Ohio State        95.67   2-0       73.60
>>  08   Indiana           95.54   4-1       81.09
>>  09   Houston           95.23   1-0       82.57
>>  10   Iowa              95.05   3-0       61.75
>>  11   Michigan St.      89.10   1-1       68.47
>>  12   Arkansas          89.03   3-0       76.38
>>  13   Marquette         88.66   3-0       62.30
>>  14   UNLV              88.64   1-0       82.17
>>  15   Louisville        88.38   1-0 <--   91.35   <---
>>  16   Nebraska          87.99   3-0       61.01
>>  17   Virginia          87.80   2-0       75.71
>>  18   Stanford          87.72   3-0       66.24
>>  19   Kentucky          87.52   2-0       74.40
>>  20   Michigan          87.40   2-1       85.16
>>  21   Purdue            87.07   3-0       76.31
>>  22   Arizona           87.05   0-1       84.53
>>  23   Rhode Island      85.94   2-0       74.09
>>  24   Ga. Tech          85.62   1-1       73.88
>>  25   Oregon St.        85.09   1-1       82.96
>
>Did you all notice which of the top 25 teams has the toughest schedule?-- 

Well, anybody can playone tough team in December and be 1-0.  Let's talk
in mid-February or so.

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P.S.: I saw Denny Crum on Up Close with Roy Firestone last night, and I have
to say, he's not quite as slimy as I thought he was.  Of course, after 1986,
I still don't like him, but that's a personal matter.

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From: wayne@einstein.research.uno.edu (wayne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Michigan All-Time Greats Results
Keywords: wolverines
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:35:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Orleans

Ye gods! All those ballots and nobody remembered Pitts, Maxey, and Dennis  
Stewart?

				Wayne Patterson
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