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From: swillden@news.ccutah.edu (Shawn Willden)
Subject: NeXT networking advice wanted...
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:41:09 GMT

Hi all,

	The math dept. at Weber State University recently acquired 10
colorstations and a mono cube (all turbos running 3.0, of course).
Each of the 'stations has the basic 250MB HD (meaning the
stripped-down OS with no Developer's stuff, Webster's, etc.) but the
cube has a 1.4 GB HD (and the full release).  With ~10 mins. work I
had the machines networked and running great but then I found myself
faced with some difficult choices.

	I would like to make all the stuff on the cube available to
all of the stations.  Some options are:  

	1) NFSmount the cube's /NextApps, /NextDeveloper, /NextLibrary
	, /LocalApps and /LocalLibrary under /Net on the clients and
	then add the /Net/...  directories to the paths (anybody know
	off the top of their heads how to make the WorkSpace Manager
	know about those directories?  I can look it up, but if you
	happen to know...).  One problem with this is that PB looks in
	/usr/lib for some stuff to build, so I'd probably have to
	mount the cube's /usr/lib over the clients.  Oh, and I also
	have to make /usr/man a link to /Net/NextLibrary/... to get
	man pages (or tell man where to look).

	2) NFSmount the cube's directories listed above over the top
	of the corresponding directories on the stations (and probably
	remove the local copies).  This has the disadvantage that the
	Apps we *want* to place on the local hard drives will have to
	be placed in some folder other than /LocalApps because the
	local /LocalApps is hidden.  Once again, it is necessary to
	tell the WS manager to look in the new directories.

	3) Netboot the clients.  I *believe* (not having done it or
	even read about it extensively) that this will mount the
	cube's HD as the root of the local file system and will create
	a /<something> subdirectory and mount the local HD there.
	Again, it is necessary to tell the WS manager about the new
	directories where it can expect to find apps.

	Please tell me about any other options you can think of.

Questions:

	1)  In your experience, what is the best was to solve my
	problem?

	2)  In all of the above options network usage is going to be
	fairly heavy.  How much of a problem is this likely to pose?
	How about option 3 (netbooting)?

	3) In all cases, I'm going to need to add to the list of
	directories the WS manager expects to find apps in.  I assume
	that some dwrite is necessary to make this change.  Is there a
	way I can make the change global so I don't have to do it for
	every user?


Thanks in advance.  Post or e-mail your replies, please.  E-mail
preferred unless you really think everyone wants to hear it.

Shawn.

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Shawn Willden
swillden@icarus.weber.edu
From: roy@prism.gatech.EDU (Roy Mongiovi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: 'PowerOffDisabled' suggested trick... (RTF)
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:24:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Since NeXTs automatically know whether or not to check disks (if the system
halted gracefully or not), there's no need to "fasthalt".  "/usr/etc/halt"
is fine.
-- 
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                                                Georgia Institute of Technology
Tough are the souls that tread the knife's edge  Atlanta, Georgia  30332-0715
        J. Tull                                      roy@prism.gatech.edu
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: this AppleTalk on NeXT 3.0 doesn't really work - HELP is needed!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:47:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pali+@osu.edu
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Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu

Well, I installed 3.0 and AppleTalk. It's so nice to be able to print on
my LaserWriter IINTX which is sitting on our AppleTalk network! (GatorBox)

BUT, and BUT and BUT: I keep loosing the connection all the time and I have
to reboot the CUBE to regain the connection.  In addition, many times when I
print the green light blinks on the LaserWriter but nothing gets printed out.
Are there any confirmed bugs?  What's happening?  Can you please help?
Please respond by email.

Paul Nevai                            nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu
Dept Math - Ohio State University     1-614-292-3317 (Office)
Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A.     1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: PPP and/or SLIP drivers for a NeXTstation Turbo (sys2.2)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:26:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park
NNTP-Posting-Host: sayshell.umd.edu

In article <1993Jan5.160333.493@bvl.pt> jessica.bvl.pt!root (Operator) writes:
>I'm looking for PPP or SLIP software that can be installed an our NeXT.

If you can run SLIP, take a look at the port that I did, available as
/pub/next/submisions/SLIP_920904.tar on sonata.cc.purdue.edu or
somewhere on cs.orst.edu with the same name (SLIP_920904.tar).

Louis Mamakos
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Console -PowerOffDisabled option wont stay in effect (OS 3.0)
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:07:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB

I followed the instructions in the documentation which allow you to disable
the power-off key when the login panel is displayed, using the following line
in /etc/ttys:

console "/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow -PowerOffDisabled true"  NeXT
on secure window=/usr/lib/NextStep/WindowServer onoption="/usr/etc/getty
std.9600"

What I have found, though, is that this works following system boot up, but
after any user has logged in and back out, anyone can shut the machine down
via the power key from the console, so it seems as though this option is being
overridden or reset after logging in.

Has anyone solved this problem?


Thanks.
-- 
Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
University of California, Santa Barbara
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
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From: uunet!mwhhlaw!bob (Robert L. Hartley Jr.)
Subject: Recycler
Reply-To: bob@mwhhlaw.com
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:06:42 GMT

Could someone please explain for me the workings of the
Recycler on mounted file systems across a network.  In
particular, I don't understand why in some circumstances,
some network users can recycle files physically located on
other machines, while in other circumstances those same
users get a message panel that says "This file is located
on a disk without recycler.  Continuing will destroy the
file."

As I cruise the network file system, I find that every user has
~/.NeXT/.NextTrash.  But also, every machine has a /.NextTrash
that is loaded with multiple subdirectories named for the users.

What gives??
-- 
Bob Hartley
MARTIN, WADE, HARTLEY & HOLLINGSWORTH
P. O. Box 88676
3590 N. Meridian St.
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From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos)
Subject: HELP: Dump problem with HP 35480A DAT Streamer
Reply-To: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
Organization: The little black box game department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:08:23 GMT

Hi,

I've got problems with the DAT Streamer HP 35480A running at NeXT machines when  
working with dump/restore.

Dumping files to the streamer workes fine, but performing a restore from a dump  
produces a strange behaviour. Some times it works fine, the next time I get  
following error:

ST:CMD=0x8 SR_IO_STATUS=2H
Sense Key=0x0
Sense Code=0x0
Tape/Disk Read Error: I/O Error

I tried the streamer with various NeXT machines, Cube's, Mono's, Turbo Color's  
and I always got the same problems with restore. When using tar to write and  
read to the streamer no errors ocured.

Doe's anybody know this problem and how to solve it?

Thank you very much for your help.
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Gartenstr. 2                | Fax   :  +49 721 37 71 79
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From: zeke@znext (james dehnert)
Subject: Re: Help! Installing 3.0 on external HD
Reply-To: zeke@znext.cts.com
Organization: pnet
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:08:14 GMT

In article <ntomczak.726619722@vega> ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N  
Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes:
- I had a misfortune to train thourougly booting from other devices than
- a default sd0 :-).
.
.
.
-   b)  Go back to monitor and 'halt'.
-   c)  At 'NeXT>' prompt type 'bsd(2,0,0)-a'.  This means 'ask
-       for root device'.  An option 'rootdev=sd2' never worked for me.

  This looked a bit wrong to me, so i checked it out in the reboot man page.

     The syntax of the b boot command is:

          device[(ctrl,unit,part)][file][flags]

     where device is the type of the device to be searched, ctrl
     is the controller number, unit is the unit number of the
     disk or tape, and part is the disk partition number.

  so the syntax should be 
	'b sd(0,2,0)' to boot off of sd2 partition a.  The NeXT only has one  
controller ( unless you have an extra cpu card a la Spherical ) an that one  
defaults to 0.  The syntax provided would probably confuse the system, and the  
-a flag is what saves you.  It looks for controler 2, cant find it, and then  
defaults to 0 because thats the only one.  It's still not sure what you want,  
but you did use that -a flag, so it asks, then your on your way.
  I bet that 'b sd -a' would work just as well in this situation.

  Zeke

- 
-     Michal Jaegermann
-     ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
- 
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From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland)
Subject: Re: rc.local?
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:58:05 GMT

woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes:

>I have a file rc.local in which I start my gopher daemon
>and a supersrv daemon.  Under 2.1 this worked fine.  Now I find that  
>under 3.0, the script starts and prints out the
>Starting local daemons:
>and then the final .

>In between are the parts to start the two daemons and they don't get  
>started!
>If as su, I type sh /etc/rc.local (exactly what is in the rc script),
>then the rc.local starts both daemons fine.

>Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
>- - - - - - - - -

It's possible that your rc.local depends on some environment variables
or other conditions being in place when it runs, and that such conditions
are in place when you sh /etc/rc.local, and were in place under NS2.x,
but are no longer in place under NS3.0.  Think about things like the PATH
and so on.  Think about what else may be set when you're logged in as
root (via su) that may not be set when the machine is booting.

Put some diagnostic messages in rc.local, so you can at least see what's
happening.  If rc.local is doing things like
	if [ foo ]; then
		blah, blah, blah
	fi
then modify this to be
	if [ foo ]; then
		blah, blah, blah
	else
		(echo Condition foo failed...) >/dev/console
	fi
-- 
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       Everything is IMHO          |   operating system, programs are easier
royce@splunge.uucp  (NeXTMail OK)  |   to write and run faster, too."
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From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: no email confirmation
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:57:44 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
Reply-To: gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ah3.cal.msu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


>Having two (possibly related) problems with NeXTMail.
I am assuming you mean Mail.app (I call it NeXTmail too)

>1) No receipt is ever received (I request a read receipt, the addressee
>reads the message, but I never get a receipt).
I think you only get a reciept if it is read by a NeXT, and maybe only with 
Mail.app .  If you read it with unix-mail or pine, I don't know if you get one.
I'm certain I've never gotten one when sending to non-NeXTs. 

>2) The nodename on messages is being truncated
>(userid@crob.flint.umich.edu becomes userid@crob).  This is OK as long as
>our local nameserver is running, but when it is down (or overworked),
>messages are sent on to its nameserver for processing and the message
>bounces with Host Unknown. Also - it seems to only be doing it to messages
>destined for the same domain (userid@infotech.tamu.edu works OK).
We had a similar problem, I think that is some bizarre stuff in your 
sendmail.cf file (I am assuming you mean the nodename on your return address?).
It was a LOT of changes, ended up gtting one (sendmil.cf) that was configured
for MSU and doing a search and replace on the domain names.
Even then, stuff like PINE and TIN still goofed up the return addresses until
I modified their RC files.

Good Luck

--

Gary J LaPointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
Michigan State University
Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel)
Subject: Re: PPP and/or SLIP drivers for a NeXTstation Turbo (sys2.2)
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:43:36 GMT

jessica.bvl.pt!root (Operator) writes:
: I'm looking for PPP or SLIP software that can be installed an our NeXT.
: I don't know nothing about kernel remaking as I'm only using a NeXT for 3  
: months or so, besides the soft I need very NeXT oriented info.
: For the soft, a file name and a site will do, for the help... Well, I'll  
: summarize latter...
: 
: Can anyone help me with this ??? ... Please...
: 
: regards,
: vasco
There is a next-ppp package at merit.edu, with all the binaries, and
some
explanations to the installation on the NeXT, among the binaries, there
are some sources, that are impossible to compile (IMHO offcourse).

Another site for ppp might be archive.cis.ohio-state.edu
Besides, there is an interesting paper, covering SLIP and PPP available
at most ftp-sites (sonata, ftp.acns.nwu.edu), SLIP is on most sites as
well, eg. at sonata.

- daniel
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E-Mail              : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome)
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From: outland!jmast@s.ms.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia)
Subject: Re: USR V.32bis FAX Help
Reply-To: outland!jmast@s.ms.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia)
Organization: Kentucky NeXT Users Group (KYNUG)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:19:06 GMT

In article <C0D8vy.4LB@outland.uucp> outland!jmast@s.ms.uky.edu (John A.  
Mastrolia) writes:
> I have recently upgraded my US Robotics V.32bis modem in anticipation of  
> the new 28,800 standard expected from CCITT soon.  This included a FAX  
> capability in addition to the upgrade socket.  Now, the big question,  
has  
> anyone had any experience using the FAX capability of this modem with  
> their NeXT?  I'm using a NeXTStation Turbo with 3.0.  Any help would be  
> appreciated.

I posted this on 5 January and received only messages asking for me to  
pass on information.  Again, if anyone has had any experience using this  
modem as their FAX, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
John A. Mastrolia
outland!johnm@ms.uky.edu
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From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann)
Subject: Re: Help! Installing 3.0 on external HD
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:48:42 GMT

I had a misfortune to train thourougly booting from other devices than
a default sd0 :-).
The following procedure works consistently for me (assuming here that
sd2a, say, contains all files necessary for booting in a multi-user
mode).  Some steps are obviously for situations when you cannot boot
from sd0a and changing ID's is not an option for some reasons.
  a)  Boot from floppy (you have boot floppy, don't you?) in a single
      user mode and modify /etc/fstab on your intended boot device
      to mount the proper file system and not sd0a.  In our sample
      resulting line will be:
        /dev/sd2a /      4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1
      instead of an original
        /dev/sd0a /      4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1
      To get an access to this file you will have to mount
      ( say '/usr/etc/mount /dev/sd0a /tmp/hd') manually.
      Use -n option and writable directory if you are booting
      from CD-ROM or from floopy which starts CD-ROM.
      BTW - can somebody tell me how to use 'remount' option.
      Is not documented on 'man-page' and always barfs on me.
  b)  Go back to monitor and 'halt'.
  c)  At 'NeXT>' prompt type 'bsd(2,0,0)-a'.  This means 'ask
      for root device'.  An option 'rootdev=sd2' never worked for me.
  d)  When asked for root device type 'sd2' and hopefuly you are
      back in business.
  e)  Restore /etc/fstab to a pristine state.  You will likely
      forget that later and in that case you may start the whole
      procedure once again from scratch. :-)

Lets hope that you will never have to use that knowledge.

    Michal Jaegermann
    ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jessica.bvl.pt!root (Operator)
Subject: PPP and/or SLIP drivers for a NeXTstation Turbo (sys2.2)
Organization: Bolsa de Valores de Lisboa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:03:33 GMT

I'm looking for PPP or SLIP software that can be installed an our NeXT.
I don't know nothing about kernel remaking as I'm only using a NeXT for 3  
months or so, besides the soft I need very NeXT oriented info.
For the soft, a file name and a site will do, for the help... Well, I'll  
summarize latter...

Can anyone help me with this ??? ... Please...

regards,
vasco
From: mark@plexus.guild.org (Mark Onyschuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: using a disk partition as a swap device
Keywords: swap
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:52:06 GMT
Organization: Onyschuk and Associates, Toronto

We've partitioned our rather large drive in hopes of using one smallish  
partition as a swap device (and forego the Berkeley FFS). Now that we have  
our partition, what need we do next?

aTdHvAaNnKcSe,
Mark
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: root@next1.ctstateu.edu (Operator)
Subject: gopher
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:27:08 GMT

I recently compiled the gopher client for unix from Univ. of
Minn. It compiled fine, but when I try to run it from the
terminal window commnand line I receive the message. gopher:
command not found. However if I double click on the unix 
icon through nextstep (3.0) it runs fine. I tried playing
with protections etc. that didn't seem to work. Any
suggestions? Shouldn't a program with the unix icon
run from the terminal window command line?

John Rutherford
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: nwc (Nick Christopher)
Subject: Re: cron and shell scripts
Reply-To: nwc@ny.shl.com
Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:59:55 GMT

In article <86258@ut-emx.uucp> mikael@scout.utexas.edu (Mikael Behrens) writes:
> 10 17 * * *	mikael	/bin/sh /Users/mikael/Apps/RetrieveMail
> 
> 
> The last line is my addition.  I've been changing the times to test it.   
> I've also tried this entry:
> 
> 10 17 * * *	mikael	/Users/mikael/Apps/RetrieveMail
> 
> Neither works.  

try:

10 17 * * *	root su mikael -c '/Users/mikael/Apps/RetrieveMail'
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From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa  HELP!!  (recovering lost files!)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:05:20 GMT

Nathaniel David Sammons (nate@deepthought.colostate.edu) wrote:
: 
: Someone please help, I just (due to a severe screw-up) lost quite a few
: files which are severely important to me (non-system files)
: 
: is there any way to get them back???
: 
: -nate sammons
:  ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu

FAQ candidate.
	
While possible in theory, this is very very difficult to do in practice. 
Because Unix is multitasking, as soon as a file is unlinked (removed) it's 
space is a candidate for the next operation that needs disk.

Also, Unix doesn't just change a single character to show that a file is 
not there, (as DOS does).

In theory if you shutdown the machine fast, reboot off another disk, mount 
the disk where the files were as read only, you can then go groveling through 
the disk sector by sector.  This requires a thorough understanding of the the
file system.  (Think in terms of doing fsck by hand, and you get the idea...)

Unless the file is truly unique. (e.g. Only copy of the USSR phobos probe data
stream) its probably faster to recreate the files than it is to recover them.

This, by the way, is why you make backups (You didn't need to hear that right
now, I'm sure...)  A good backup strategy makes almost all disasters into 
nuisances.

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From: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch (Renato Bruno Pajarola)
Subject: rc.local
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:04:28 GMT

Subject: 
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: Distribution: 
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Keywords: nppower


Hi people,
since I have the new NextStep3.0, over all it's very good, I can't do
some things I did bevore.

Especially things I want to do at boot-up time.

In NS2.1 I had entries in the rc.local to play a sound and to power the
printer off. The entries looked something like this:

sndplay /LocalLibrary/Sounds/mysound.snd &

...

nppower off

...


The sound was played during boot process until the loginwindow was
displayed (then interrupted, never mind ...).

The printer was turned off bevor displaying the loginwindow.

In NS3.0 now the sound does not play anymore.
(the path is right, sndplay still exists)

In some cases I was able to turn the printer off, but then after loging
in, the printer did'n turn on when selecting "Print", because it's
status was "unavailable". I had to switch it to private or public
using the PrinterManager.
(not the way I like it)

The sound "mysound" is on a second, extern harddisk.
(it was also in NS2.1)


Can anybody tell me, what changed in the behaviour of the rc.local script
or how can I achieve these things (esp. printer off) in another way.

Thanks a lot for mailing me back.
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