HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: margulis@inf.ethz.ch (Eugene Margulis)
Subject: what did I see?
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:57:53 GMT


Last spring I was trekking in Nepal, from Pokhara towards Jomosom. 
On the way to Hille I passed through a tiny village where I 
encountered a very strange procession. A porter was carrying a large
basket with an umbrella attached to it. There was a woman in the
basket and at least 5 people accompanying them. There were a couple of
other completely loaded porters. As soon as I raised my camera one of
them shouted that they do not want pictures to be taken, so I did not
take any. I am not quite sure what the procession was about, I wanted
to ask someone local about it, but by the end of the day I forgot. 
Someone later suggested that this was a marriage procession, sort 
of delivering the bride to her husband, but he was not sure. Does
anyone on this group have an idea what it could have been? 

-Thanks a lot,

-Eugene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Arjun Thapa/ Bhismananda Bajracharya
From: pmparaju@acs.ucalgary.ca (Partha Mani Parajuli)
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:31:10 +1000

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:50:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Can you reach through Email? If yes respond to this note. If no
try to reach me in the following address
PMParajuli
Dept of Civil Engg.
2500 University Dr. NW
Calgary,AB
Canada,T2N 1N4
Tel 403 282 7403 Home
    403 220 4813




Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: psycho@makalu.Stanford.EDU (Mr. Knotty Sycho)
Subject: U.S. says human rights laws should be enforced [ ethnic Nepalis in Bhutan mentioned ]
Keywords: international, non-usa government, government, civil rights,
        social issues, united nations 
Organization: Peace and Freedom Institute, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:48:17 GMT



	GENEVA (UPI) -- The United States called Tuesday for the trial by
international tribunal of those responsible in Yugoslavia, Iraq and
elsewhere for current gross violations of human rights.
	Morris B. Abram, U.S. ambassador to the U.N. European Office in
Geneva, said the ``ethnic cleansing'' under way in what was Yugoslavia
amounts to ``an efficient and deadly mechanism for separating groups of
people.''
	``Ethnic cleansing, detention camps, executions of children in the
former Yugoslavia are atrocities the world never expected to see
repeated in Europe,'' Abram said in a statement to the U.N. Human Rights
Commission's Sub-Commission on Protection of Minorities.
	``Attacks against ethnic groups also go on elsewhere, such as in Iraq
to wipe out the Shia population, in Burm against Muslims, and in Bhutan
against ethnic Nepalis,'' he said.
	``Those who have violated fundamental human rights should be named
and held responsible for their acts,'' the U.S. delegate said.
	``Many such crimes fall within the jurisdiction of domestic courts or
military courts-martial (but) trial before an international tribunal is
another possibility,'' Abram said.
	``The world has built up an impressive body of law to deal with such
situations and now is the time to seek effective enforcement of existing
covenants and conventions,'' he told the U.N. body.
	Abram said these issues will be debated at the special session of the
full Human Rights Commission, called for by Washington and being held in
Geneva this Thursday and Friday.
	In Bonn, a German human rights group said Tuesday Serbian units in
their ``ethnic cleansing'' of the Bosnian city of Bosanski Petrovak
expelled 7,000 Croats and Muslims from their homes.
	The Society for Threatened Peoples said that Serbs took over homes
which were evacuated by force.
	The group said it feared the expulsion of the Croats and Muslims was
only the beginning of an ``ethnic cleasing'' operation by Serbian units
in Bosanski Petrovak.
	It said that many families were massacred in the city and urged the
United Nations to send troops to protect civilians.
From: khomer@vtssi.vt.edu (Kimberley Homer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: help learning Welsh
Keywords: Welsh, Wales, Cymraeg
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:33:30 GMT
Organization: Blacksburg Electronic Village/Virginia Tech

Thanks to all who sent helpful suggestions for learning Welsh.
Here is a summary:
BBC Cymru Wales              The Welsh language TV channel Pedwar Ec:
Cardiff/Caerdidd             S4C
Wales/Cymru                  Cardiff/Caerdidd
UK                           Wales/Cymru
                             UK
Bernadette writes of a Welsh language department at a bi-lingual
university:
Ysgol Gymraig
Prifysgol Cymru
Ffordd Coleg
Bangor
Gwynedd
Gogledd Cymru
UK
As for dictionaries and language books:
'Spurrell's Welsh-English Dictionary', edited by J. Bodvan Anwyl
'Y Geiriadur Mawr (The Large Dictionary)'  (which is Welsh-Welsh)
'Teach Yourself Welsh', 1991 by T. Rhys Jones
(According to Mark Nodine, the older version of 'Teach Yourself Welsh'
concentrates on literary rather than spoken Welsh.)
Multimedia Courses:
For information on packages for beginners and improvers, based on the
Welsh language channel S4C, write to:
Acen
"Now You're Talking"
Bocs 4000
Caerdydd CF5 2XT
UK
"Catchphrase" course series (books and tapes)
available from Waldenbooks, around $125 (US) for first set in the series
I have not yet obtained any of these materials, but will post again if
I find out anything else.   Thanks again!!
Kimberley Homer
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, Virginia USA
homerk@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dml@philabs.philips.com (Damian M. Lyons)
Subject: Re: help needed with simple translation
Organization: Autonomous Systems, Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.120528.9305@sun.pcl.ac.uk> chrisc@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Chris Chamberlain) writes:
>
>
>The other day I posted a request for a translation from Cornish. Well when
>..
>          "Mor ny geryth ta an tommder gorta yn-mes an gegyn!"
>

I haven't seen a reply to this. Are you sure its Cornish? It looks
like Manx to me; however, I don't know sufficient Manx to verify that
notion or to translate it.

Damian.

-- 
_________________________________________________________________
         Damian M. Lyons | x6444 | dml@philabs.philips.com       
_________________________________________________________________
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From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:52:10 GMT
Organization: Ochone, not St. Andrews University

Re my previous on the great plaid - try the following texts for more
authentic and acedemic contentions on the subject:

    Tartens, Christine Heskith, 1961, Octopus Books, 99p, London
    isbn 7064 0033 x

    A History of Scottish dress(??), J Telford-Dunbar. No further details
    in my head.

Also the Scottish National Portrait Gallery has many greta pictures of the
above named great plaid. And of course for other sources there are the two
superbly mythic films Highlander I and Highlander II. Why did the producers
use some of the best piping talents for the battle scenes in the first 10
minutes of HI and then overdub with crap music????
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Holidays in the US
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:09:31 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <41417@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
> Thanks to all who mailed me to say that Route 66 no longer exists.

That is not exactly true. It certainly exists here in Arizona and in a number of
other states. In fact it seems to be making a bit of a "comeback" in some areas.

			gln



Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Henry Corcoran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: <None>
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:39:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Subject:1Crofters 2. music
 <1992Aug20.160426.712@aisb.ed.ac.uk>
   I have two questions. 1 What are crofters?
                         2. I heard a Scottish singer I really like but can't
                            recall her name. She comes from the lowlands(?) and
                            the name Dolores Kane comes to mind. I am not sure
                            if that is right. She sings very traditional bal-
                            lads.
   Any help is appreciated.
                                               Henry
From: dfoley@testament.bbn.com (Dennis Foley )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Cows and Sheep
Keywords: Or is that what you meant?
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:28:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.l8l6urINNp9v
Reply-To: dfoley@testament.bbn.com. (Dennis Foley )
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


>From article <BstxHt.5FF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.\
edu (Iskandar Taib):
>>
>> I read a long time ago that words such as "beef" and "mutton"
>> were Norman and "shee[" and "cow" were Anglo-Saxon. Don't know
>> how true this was..
>>
>>
>>
>If you check a dictionary you will find that sheep and cow are related
>to Old Higher German (OHG), and beef and mutton are related to Old
>French (OF).
>
>                                                                              \
                                 GW
Which proves the point, of course, because the Normans spoke French
and the Anglo-Saxons spoke a Germanic language.

Dennis
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From: 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Irish team at Olympics
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:32:59 GMT

Did athletes from Northern Ireland compete under the Irish flag at the
Barcelona Olympics?  I believe the boxer, Carruth(sp?), who won a gold medal
for IRL was from Belfast.  Thanks for any help.

Glenn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Subject: Translation Needed
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: na,ie
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:06:42 GMT

Help!  I foolishly offered to help a fellow author research some stuff for 
her novel set in Ireland.  All went well until she asked me about a name for 
fictitious town.  She wanted it to have a "suggestive" meaning.  With my 
"vast knowledge" of Irish (heh heh) I looked up some words in a phrase book 
and came up with leannan si for "fairy lover".  If leannan is the word for 
lover, then could I create a name such as "Killeannan" that could be 
translated "woods lover?"  Or would I need to use Coill?  And would it have 
to be two words?
   You Irish speakers are probably falling off your chairs with laughter, 
but I'm serious.  Any help gratefully appreciated.
Suzanne (who sets her books in Ireland but doesn't use much Irish) 
-----
suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Review of "Rebels" anyone?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:54:08 GMT

I'm curious if anyone is familiar with a book called "Rebels" by I think,
Peter De Rosa about the Irish uprising in 1916.  I'm curious what it's 
reputation is. Fair? Accurate? Historically accurate?  It's wonderfully 
written... Just wondered whether I'm reading history or a novel.

rlwilliams@gallua
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: johansc@hedda.uio.no (Johan Schimanski)
Subject: Re: Stivell often sings in Breton !
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Comparative Literature - Oslo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:16:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.071512.5586@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston) wrote:
> 
> Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB (moisan@cicb.fr) wrote:
> : Conrad Leviston said :
> :  "Well worth a listen, even if he does sing in French (horrid
> : language that."
> : 
> : 1) Stivell sings 80% of his songs in Breton .(celtic language)
> 

I went to an Alan Stivell concert a fortnight ago (for some unconnectable
reason I happened to be in Perroz-Gireg) - I think I also heard him singing
in Welsh. He also sang a lot more in English than in French, come to think
of it, did he sing in French at all? He did introduce some songs in French
(disconcerting that, me having just arrived from Wales)(cryptic remark).

> 	I was unaware of that, thank you for pointing it out.
> 
> : 2) why do you say that french is an horrid language ?
> :    i didn't know that there is an hierarchy in languages....
> : 
> 
> 	I came by my opinion upon listening to a French Gregorian Chant,
> which sounded (to my ears) utterly disgusting in its nasal texture. Of
> course there is no hierarchy in languages, but many less enlightened souls
> than yourself try to insist that there is, and that French is at the head
> of it (not all of these people are French either). I just added in that
> comment about French being a horrid language to annoy them.
> 
> : and maybe 3) perhaps it is Breton that you consider like an horrid 
> :    language ?
> 
> 	As I said earlier, I judged my opinion on sources other than
> Stivell for my opinion.

Perhaps, if you do not like nasal textures (well, I know how you feel,
before I fell in love with French I also hated the language), you would not
like Breton or Alan Stivell's singing. Breton has also got nasals (really,
what is horribly disgusting about nasal textures?).

>  : 
> : 
> : P.S : excuse me for my bad english, my maternal language is french, this
> : horrible language.
> 
> You're excused. It is clearer than mine, and English is my native tongue.

English-speakers often say this sort of thing (have you noticed?). Perhaps
it's because they feel guilty about the smugness they treat other languages
with (a smugness which covers over for ignorance - "we don't NEED to learn
your language as well as you have learnt ours"). Or else it's just the
illusion that personal variation = bad language. (Necessary info, where do
I stand etc: I am bilingual English-Norwegian, but until a year or so ago I
would have said that English is my first language).

J.

Johan Schimanski             johansc@hedda.uio.no
pb.1015 Blindern               N-0315 OSLO, Norway
+47-2-18 38 00                    +47-2-854037
my love is like a liquid    it flow fitful day and night
From: chrisc@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Chris Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: help needed with simple translation
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:05:28 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London



The other day I posted a request for a translation from Cornish. Well when
I came in to work the following week, most of the messages in soc.culture.
celtic had been deleted which is why I am re-posting as I might have missed
the reply. The sentence is :

          "Mor ny geryth ta an tommder gorta yn-mes an gegyn!"

Apologies if you have already replied,

Chris.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: duncan@convex.com (Dennis Duncan)
Subject: Seeking Irish University contacts
Summary: Scholar seeks contacts at Irish Universities
Keywords: Irish University
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:34:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I am posting the following message for my wife who is seeking contacts
at Irish Universities.

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To: Scholars of Irish drama and/or sociolinguists in Ireland

Having arrived at the end of my doctoral studies in Modern British
Literature, I am applying for a study grant to Ireland for October
1993 through June 1994.  I propose to study Irish drama of the 19th
and 20th centuries which treat the question of language.  I would
like to discover how the Irish dramatists view English language
dominance and the relationship of language to the Irish identity.
I will analyze the texts to discover the progression of thought on
language and identity and to challenge various sociolinguistic
theories (Sapir, Laponce, Ong, etc.).  Without an agenda, I want
to see what light the playwrights and viewing public shed on the
question of language dominance end national identity.  Irish drama,
as an oral expression of a literary work and with its strong national
heritage, seems ripe for such a study.  Are any of you interested?
Would you be willing to act as affiliates?  The application for the
Fulbright encourages us to seek our own affiliations.  I will be
glad to send interested parties a more thorough explanation of the
study as well as vita information.

Looking forward to your response,

Dawn Duncan
Teaching Fellow
University of North Texas

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Please send any replies to:  duncan@convex.com
From: mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:28:17 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <64042@cup.portal.com> JMoylan@cup.portal.com (John Thomas Moylan) writes:
>sounds federalist...)).  Anyways the point being, that there seemed to have
>been as much irish immigration at the end of the 17th century as english(

I am not completely sure of my facts here but I think much of the
early emigration from Ireland to the US was from Ulster. The 
emigrants were mostly planters who were fleeing the general 
lawlessness of the time. The native Irish would have done the same
but they did not have the means of the planters.

I seem to remember seeing a statistic some time back (Independent on
Sunday I think) that the majority religion of Irish Americans was
not Catholicism. Does this imply a large number of protestant emigrants?
or were catholics forced to change religion? or is my memory faulty?

Any Information?

MARK

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
Subject: Re: help learning Welsh
Keywords: Welsh, Wales, Cymraeg
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:38:24 GMT

khomer@vtssi.vt.edu (Kimberley Homer) writes:

>Thanks to all who sent helpful suggestions for learning Welsh.

>Bernadette writes of a Welsh language department at a bi-lingual
>university:
>Ysgol Gymraig
>Prifysgol Cymru
>Ffordd Coleg
>Bangor
>Gwynedd
>Gogledd Cymru
>UK

All the colleges of the University of Wales have Welsh departments.
Bangor's does not really cater to the non-Welsh speaker, though --
however, the EXTRAMURAL STUDIES DEPARTMENT offers "wlpan" (intensive
Welsh-learning courses).  If you really want to write to the Welsh
Department at Bangor, write to the "Adran Gymraeg"; the "Ysgol Gymraeg"
is likely to end up at the grammar school down on Ffridd road...
Try Aberystwyth's Welsh department if you want to do a university course
on Welsh as a non-Welsh speaker.

>As for dictionaries and language books:
>'Spurrell's Welsh-English Dictionary', edited by J. Bodvan Anwyl
Not very good.  It's about all you can find in your local mall
bookstore, though.

>'Y Geiriadur Mawr (The Large Dictionary)'  (which is Welsh-Welsh)
It is Welsh-English, English-Welsh, as a matter of fact!  Definitely the
best dictionary, though a bit unwieldy.  What you really want as a
learner is a more compact version, called Y GEIRIADUR NEWYDD, also
published by Christopher Davis.

Somebody else mentioned Y GEIRIADUR CYFOES -- this is nothing more than
a word-list and doesn't deserve the name "dictionary".

>'Teach Yourself Welsh', 1991 by T. Rhys Jones
>(According to Mark Nodine, the older version of 'Teach Yourself Welsh'
>concentrates on literary rather than spoken Welsh.)
There are now three versions of "Teach Yourself Welsh."  The OLDEST
(now almost impossible to find) does teach literary Welsh.  The next
edition was TEACH YOURSELF LIVING WELSH by T. Rhys Jones, this is the
version you can still find in America.  The very latest (the 1991 book)
is only out in Britain, it does come with a cassette though which is
very helpful.

>Multimedia Courses:
>For information on packages for beginners and improvers, based on the
>Welsh language channel S4C, write to:
>Acen
>"Now You're Talking"
>Bocs 4000
>Caerdydd CF5 2XT
>UK
>"Catchphrase" course series (books and tapes)

Keep in mind that these videotapes are in PAL format and cannot be
played on American VCRs.

There are several very good sources for Welsh books in America at quite
reasonable prices.  I'll post these when I finally get unpacked if
anyone cares.  If you're in Britain you can get all this stuff from the
utterly wonderful:
     SIOP PENDREF,
     12-14 Cae Ffynnon,
     Bangor,
     Gwynedd LL57 1ER

David Librik (sy'n byw yn y slymiau heno).
librik@cory.berkeley.edu
From: eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Rooney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Books or Poems
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:04:26 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research, Edinburgh University

|> In article <1992Aug13.185651.20241@sei.cmu.edu>, caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol
|> Jarosz) writes:
|> |>
|> |>I am very interested in Scottish History particularly the Scottish Rebellions
|> |>of 1715 and 1745.   Can anybody recommend some "history" books or
|> poems for my
|> |>reading enjoyment?  In English, please

Eric Linklater, The Prince in the Heather, deals with the 1745 rising and is
very readable.

=========================================================================

Edmund Rooney					email:eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk

Centre for Speech Technology Research
University of Edinburgh
80, South Bridge,
Edinburgh EH1 1HN
Scotland

=========================================================================
From: fsjtm@acad3.alaska.edu (McCranie John T)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Celtic Culture in Sacramento
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:21:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC


Hello all.

A friend of mine has recently moved to Sacramento, California, and
fears losing contact with things Celtic. Does anyone know of any pubs etc.
in the Sacramento area that feature Celtic music on a (semi-)regular
basis?  Gaelic classes? Any Scottish country dancing in the area?
Anything at all?



Go raibh maith agaibh,

-jtm


John T. McCranie                          jtm@fgs.slb.com
Finder Graphics Systems, Inc.            (415) 927 - 0100
201 Tamal Vista Blvd.                    (415) 927 - 2923  (fax)
Corte Madera, CA    94925
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:34:24 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.133307.20288@ctr.columbia.edu> pjn@phsun.uucp (Philip J. Naylor.) writes:
>	Might I suggest that he learns to create his own designs ?
>Two books which I can recommend are "Celtic Design - A Beginner's Manual", 
>and "Knotwork - The Secret of the Scribes", both by Aidan Mehan, published

I've seen the above books very rarely over here, only in specialty
bookstores (read: Celtic independants).  Perhaps more accessible, and
certainly the book out of which I've scanned a mess of copyright-free
knotwork, is CELTIC KNOTWORK, METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION, by George Bain,
in a Dover large-format paperback.

Slainte!
	- Leigh Ann


Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
"They're mine!  All mine!  And what's mine is mine!" - Daffy Duck
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