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From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: PNG - FIJI - SAFRICA
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:01:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700607:000:1700
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Oct 10 11:01:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: PNG - FIJI - SAFRICA

/* Written 11:16 pm  Oct 10, 1992 by
PACNEWS@f990.n900.z90.pegasus.oz.au in igc:reg.pacific */
PNG - FIJI - SAFRICA:  DAILY POST,  PACNEWS ED-1,  OCT 08 1992

A Papua New Guinea Opposition parliamentarian has labelled Fiji
"the South Africa of the Pacific".

The criticism by the shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, Simon
Kaumi, followed comments by the Fiji Labour Party over PNG's
handling of the Bougainville crisis.

In a statement Mr Kaumi said the FLP needed to "clean its
backyard" before criticising its Melanesian neighbours "or anybody
for that matter".

Mr Kaumi said both the PNG government and the Opposition were
committed to resolving the problems of the self-styled
Bougainville republic,  and the FLP's comments were "unacceptable
and unjustified".

Mr Kaumi said unlike Fiji, Papua New Guinea does not have any
racial problems.

He stressed that PNG's policies and laws are fair to everyone
regardless of their colour or creed.

Mr Kaumi said PNG's national Constitution does not promote racial
andethnic groupings nor does it make one group better off than the
other whether it be in commerce or politics.

He said Fiji does not have such a constitution. Instead, "its
Constitution is so controversial that it could be described as
close to South Africa, if not the South Africa of the South
Pacific".

Mr Kaumi said he was surprised that FLP had the audacity to
criticise Papua New Guinea.

He said the Fiji Labour Party should be more concerned about the
situation in its own country instead of wasting time talking about
Papua New Guinea.
....ends.

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 * Origin: Pactok Project (90:900/990)
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From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: PERU: Fair trial for Guzman
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:55:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700611:000:2463
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Oct 11 07:55:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: PERU: Fair trial for Guzman

/* Written 10:11 pm  Oct 10, 1992 by aiusala@igc.apc.org in igc:ai.general */
Amnesty International
International Secretariat
1 Easton Street
London WC1X 8DJ
United Kingdom

DATE: 2 OCTOBER 1992

PERU: AI URGES GOVERNMENT TO GUARANTEE ABIMAEL GUZMAN
A FAIR TRIAL

     Amnesty International wrote to President Alberto
Fujimori on 2 October urging the authorities to ensure that
Abimael Guzm n Reynoso, leader of the Communist Party of
Peru (Shining Path), [for tr: Partido Comunista del Peru
(Sendero Luminoso)], PCP, be given a fair trial. Abimael
Guzm n is currently being tried by a special military court
on criminal charges under Peru's anti-terrorism laws.

      Amnesty International has firmly condemned abuses by
the PCP as well as human rights violations committed by
Peruvian government forces.  In calling for a fair trial for
all political prisoners (including those who have used or
advocated violence), Amnesty International urges governments
to act in accordance with internationally recognized
standards.

      The organization is concerned that the conditions and
procedures under which Abimael Guzm n is being tried may
fall short of international standards for fair trial.
Reports allege that the accused is not being tried by a
competent, independent and impartial tribunal; that since he
was transferred from police to military custody for the
commencement of his trial, he has been allowed only limited
access to his lawyer; and that his lawyer, at least
initially, was obstructed when attempting to gain access to
case records and specific charges faced by his client.

      In calling for a fair trial, Amnesty International
urged that Abimael Guzm n have the right to competent,
independent and impartial tribunal established by law; have
adequate time and facilities, including access to documents
and all necessary evidence, for the preparation of his case;
that he be given adequate opportunity to communicate freely
and privately with his counsel; and that his lawyer be able
to properly counsel and represent his client.

      In the letter the organization stated that it would
appreciate being informed of what concrete steps have been
or will be taken to ensure that the trial of Abimael Guzm n
is conducted within the terms and spirit of the
international human rights standards to which the Peruvian
state as repeatedly declared its adherence.
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Civil Rights are Absolute.  was: Re: Legalizi
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:31:28 GMT
 <1992Oct1.000932.9903@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> <1992Oct1.001100.19690@yang.earlham.edu> <BvIMn7.16C@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <BvIMn7.16C@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.001100.19690@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>>	I'd disagree. The power of the individual is higher than one 
>>thinks. Individuals can have a great deal of destructive power- power to 
>>bring down a government, for instance. Look at assasinations (remember the 
>>start of WWII) and terrorism. And opinions can certainly matter, even if 
>>nobody agrees. For one thing, other opinions are molded even by 
>>disagreeing ones. Individuals also can have a great deal of construcive 
>>power. As an instance, take the sciences. Yes, they are a collective 
>>activity. 
> 
> Why do you think that individual activity is destructive and collective
> activity is constructive?  Most important scientific advances have been
> made by individual scientitst.  On the other hand, wars, oppression,
> and genocide are all done by large groups.  If you think about it, any
> intellectual work has to be done by individual people.  100 idiots can't
> think as well as one genius.  100 thugs are much more effective than one
> policeman.
> 
	Umm... I don't disagree. I was pointing out that the power of the 
individual was much more than the person whose post I was following up to 
claimed, and was giving examples of various varieties of power that 
individuals had. I was stating in the portion that you deleted that the 
sciences are essentially individual, even with their collective framework.
	-Allen
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,bit.listerv.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,misc.headlines,eunet.politics
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:04:22 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <thaaang.719140913@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>(silently, John turns from the dishes piled high in the
>sink, [...]

>So, wiping his hands on his apron, John returns to the
>kitchen, dragging the baby from the trash, and stands before the sink
>looking out at the barren backyard. He sings:

Damn!  There I was, floating off on images of connubial
bliss, whan all at once ...

>	If happy little bluebirds fly
>	Above the rainbow,
>	Why, oh why can't I?)

>John, trying like mad to figure out exactly whose house he's got
>in his mind as he writes this

...  I realize it can't be mine.  We don't have bluebirds in
town.  They like open flat fields on all sides, like along
fence rows.  Would a cardinal do?  We have lots of those and
you can *think* bluebirds, maybe.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:55:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <BvvA2s.MG5@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Frank R.A.J. Maloney (frankm@microsoft.com) wrote:
>> In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>> [deletion]
>> >Who's Janis Joplin?
>> >
>> 
>> Just a failed goddess. Never mind. Of no importance.
>> 
>> Can someone tell me why love is like a ball and chain?
>--------
>I don't know about that, but won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?
>

I'm too busy watching Dialing for Dollars.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: InterOp Fall 92! Last call!
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:06:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: nstn.1992Oct14.180610.6600
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hello!

Interop is two weeks away!  This is the last call for anyone who wants to
get together with a some queer netheads during the Interop.  We have a
little mailing list going, and a couple of people have posted their plans
to it.  I'm also planning to leave a little poster up at the Message Center
bulletin board listing planned activities of our little group.

If you're gonna be there, and you wanna hang around together, drop me a
line!
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:11:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct7.171150.1660
Organization: insert anything here

In article <1992Oct7.162516.29773@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Well, boys, you're all in luck.  There are four keyboards and systems
>connected by ethernet in my little warren next to the living room.
>I'll set up the chairs.  Don't hesitate to go at it!

>Just keep the bacon canapes out of the computer area.

	Four? Which one am I missing?  The Mac II, Arktos and UMa.
sheesh -if you have had a little arrival the least you could have
done is tell us ---  I might have sent a card or something ... :-)

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doretta@agora.rain.com (Doretta Schrock)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:13:02 GMT

[Steve relates the story of dinner guests and soap bubbles.]

Gasp! Horror of horrors! You didn't inflict *dried* cilantro on
your friends!

Cilantro must be fresh, Fresh, FRESH.  (Like a good woman--OBMotss ref.)

Doesn't taste a bit like soap then.

Doretta
doretta@agora.rain.com
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:01:26 GMT
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry

In article <1992Oct10.231058.8314@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.070917.1965@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

>>George Bush is not an icon.

>George Bush is an icon of death. He is the icon of the government
>inaction on AIDS, he is the icon of the bombing of hundreds of
>thousands of Iraqis.

Considering that the right wing is so much in favor of the death
penalty, and constitutional amendments and suchlike (cant burn the
flag, have an abortion, like faggots, ....) I think this may be the
place to propose a new constitutional amendment.  

Starting four years after a presidents term ends, I propose that we
have - every four years during the presidential election - a referendum
on previous presidents.  If a former president does not get 50% of the
vote, he (or she) should be put to death.   Preferably painfully.  
After all, the death penalty is urged often enough for people who only
kill one or two, a president, who is potentially responsible for
thousands (or more) deaths should be subject to the same sanction.

This is not to make presidents more responsive or anything, just to 
encourage them to have a sense of responsiblity for their actions (a
sense that Reagan, in particular, seems to lack entirely).

-- 
jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu  -- Jeff Putnam, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always
so sure of themselves but wiser people are full of doubts." B. Russell 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Los Angeles MOTSS Dinner (second posting)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:09:51 GMT

(This is the second mailing of this notice...)

By Popular Demand!

The Second Sesquicentennial LA-Motss Gathering!

In hopes of repeating the inebriated triumph of last year, you
are invited to a gathering/dinner of Los Angeles motss folk.
Owing to the cost of cleaning and repairing my home last year,
I am invoking prudence by arranging for the use of a kicky
little Japanese place. So far, there are no illustrious
extra-locals to be honored, but maybe my agents can dig one
up later.

The Details:

Where: Amagi Restaurant
       6114 W. Sunset Blvd. (at Gower, across the street from
       the Sunset-Gower Studios and the local CBS affiliate,
       in the same complex as Thrifty drugstore, so you can stock
       up on motion sickness medicine). 

When: Saturday, 24 October @ 7:30 PM. 

Miscellaneous: This place has a good 'buffet', but sushi and teppan
               are also available. AND! There is KARAOKE in the bar!

SO's and interested bystanders are welcome. Please RSVP to 
foucault@netcom.com with the number in your party. 

(If you receive this invitation on more than one list, please
excuse the annoyance; I learn of at least one new motss mailing
lists in LA every week)
 
-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Red Rubbon Rant
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:32:49 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: swc@swcdev


Broadway Cares snuck in the red ribbon at the 1991 Tony Awards.  Participants
in the ceremony were approached backstage before the show in which they
individually decided whether or not they would wear the ribbon; most did.  The
press went crazy with this since they knew absolutely nothing about it.  Of
course, this was the intention, to have people inquire about it.  It's sole
intention was to raise the awareness level that people are living with AIDS
every day.  If only we could find something that simple to take people to the
next step....doing something about it.

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                 B0 f- t+ c+ k+(+) g++ s h  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42735 ne.motss:509
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 08:34:00 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: BBSes, Boston

does anyone have any numbers for any gay, pagan, or women-
oriented BBSes in the boston area?  i'm seriously thinking
of moving, and i would like to haev made a few friends in
the area before i get there...

thanks!
                                      -ailsa
======================================================================

Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.161957.29453@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.150833.1880@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >> I also haven't ever been in a situation where
> >> I would feel very jealous.  Maybe I just need more experience.
> >Well, maybe something can be arranged... Tony *is* an attractive man... :-)
> 
> If you think that would get a rise out of me, you'd be right.
> But not a bone of jealousy.
> 
> :-)

Well, I rather suspected that...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 13 Oct 1992 13:36:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 26085@reed.edu, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I think the proper response to any sentence containing "Jason
>Priestley" is
>
>"Jason Priestley? SQUEEEAL!" followed by much running around, wringing
>of hands, and general excitement.
>
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/              Death needs time for what it kills to grow in

My response is more like:

Jason Priestly.  Why?  Yuch!

Howard

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Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
his@east.sun.com			|
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Stanford University
	<mattm-071092155609@mcmelmon.apple.com>
	<1992Oct8.032432.22151@spdcc.com> <1992Oct8.142202.23358@macc.wisc.edu>
	<mattm-081092094545@mcmelmon.apple.com> <ld8v2tINNmq8@spim.mti.sgi.com>
	<mattm-081092134906@mcmelmon.apple.com>
	<1992Oct9.130603.8757@linus.mitre.org>
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:03:41

In article <1992Oct9.130603.8757@linus.mitre.org>
jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes: 

   [responding to Mr. Melmon...]

   In general, if a fictional character has a name that is Biblical,
   especially if it's uncommon, there is a Reason for it.  It's
   probably useful to find out something about the Biblical
   predecessor of the name--he or she may provide insights into the
   character.

But I've never read the Bible, so all Biblical allusions are
meaningless!  

- Bob
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:03:41 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 10285@wam.umd.edu, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.011154.5782@st-andrews.ac.uk> jcfh@st-andrews.ac.uk  
>(James Charles Fraser Harvey) writes:
>} Dear Donald,
[...]
>Pay attention.  I never said ALL White people all around the world.  You CAN do  
>right!  Just do it!
>

My only concern here is who gets to define what is right.  Something that has
been bothering me from your first post is that you seem to feel you have the
right to define what is right and what is wrong.  That is a very fuzzy line
and open to individual interpretation.  (Yes, I know certain things like
murder and prejudice are just plain wrong, but I do see a larger issue of
definition here).

[...]
>
>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!


Howard

PS Now back to work for a change...

---
========================================================================
Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
his@east.sun.com			|
=========================================================================
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <thaaang.719111288@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>[Chris Russell asks why we should hold past transgressions against the
>transgressors' children, basically]

[John mentions Jews and anti-semitism]

Anti-semitism seems to have been mostly discredited in Western Europe
and the US since the Final Solution.  It's alive and well in Eastern
Europe though --- a friend came back from Hungary recently reporting
that they're blaming the Jews if they stub their toe on a stone.
Poland in particular is starting to look very ugly.

On the sins of the father... I think that it's a mistake to be talking
about past injustices when there are so many present ones to go on.
Over here, the anti-racist movements busy themselves attacking
insignificant extreme-right movements such as the British Nationalist
Party while ignoring overtly racist legislation like the recent
Immigration Bill, and this is to a great extent because they're eager
to raise the spectre of Nazi Germany.  In the end, all they manage to
do is back up the Government's anti-German propoganda and garner a
medium sized group of supporters who aren't actually prepared to
challenge racism.
--
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "SET ME ON FIRE!" - Big Black  \/
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct15.005939.6245
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <mattm-141092100229@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> Not to be an iconoclast, but I thought that was Saint Veronica.
>
>Not to be an iconoclast, but I liked 'icono*blast*' better...

But then it wouldn't have made any sense.  I mean, since you must
realize that there's semantic content in the antonymic suffixes -clast
and -blast, and they're not chosen only because they rhyme, such a
choice would be inappropriate.  Right?  This is no joking matter!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:55:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.041906.3741@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>I can understand it with things like the discussion of "cultural
>icons" - most of the people we've been talking about are specifically
>white icons. But these discussions are not the majority of motss.

Certainly right on the second point, but on the first point,
an argument can be advanced (I about to) that some, and
maybe many, of the icons discussed where coincidentally
white, rather than specifically white.  And indeed, in the
jazz/blues section very nearly all were black, and Pushkin,
about whom Steve Dyer and I were carrying on, and *quite*
arguably the greatest poet in any language, was black.

I'm letting your earlier points, and Donald's, ride a while
before commenting.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:41:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) tsks:
>In article <1aso5fINNgt1@mizar.usc.edu>,
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) quotes the Crawslaw recipe:
>>    ... The basic ingredients are shaved cabbage, ...
>
>Tsk.  There you go, bear-baiting again ...
>
Nonsense!  If there's any vegetable more deserving of humiliation, it could
only be brussels sprouts.  However, since said shaving occurs after the head
has been removed from the plant body, it's debatable the affect of the shaving
on the cabbage (the effect is obvious).  Which brings up the interesting
question:  when exactly is the moment of death for a vegetable?  That's
something I never hear vegitarians discuss; perhaps because they're ashamed?
Newsgroups: soc.motss