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From: m1comm01@spacm1.spac.spc.com (Bob Straschewski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Wrangler - bigger tires
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:24:04 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <1992Sep29.203901.27766@col.hp.com>, tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:
> I have a 1991 Jeep Wranger with stock 215/75r 15 tires. I live her in
> Colorado and would like to put larger tires on the vehicle. I've been
> told that 235/75r 15 is the largest I can go on the stock rims. Beyond
> that I would need to get wider rims. 
> Does anyone know what width rims are on my stock car? And, what size
> should I get if I want to put moderately sized tires on the car now,
> i.e. 30x10 or 30x9.5 or the like. Not those huge tires seen on some
> jeeps.  
> ANy help would be appreciated. Please reply via Email as I don't check
> here too often. 
> Tom

I weaseled 31x9.50's on mine with no problem ('88).  It had no lift, just 
Rancho RS5000 all around.  No frame contact, but they will tend to "shave" the 
rubber fender flares when in engaging in heavy off-road abuse.

btw, I now have 30x9.50's on a Cherokee, no problem.  

 Bob Ski..................

 andwhenyouroldthendeadforcancertheywillrememberufondlyasadiscodancer

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Advice needed for Chevy 87 Celebrity
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:39:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.185357.28554@cs.ucla.edu> tim@phoenix.cs.ucla.edu (tim ieong) writes:
>
> 
>  I need the advice from the auto gurus in the netland
>on the following problem:
>
>  I have a 87 Chevy Celebrity V6 with  57.5K mileage.
>The yellow sign "Service Engine Soon" in front panel 
>lighted up a few times lasting from several seconds
>to a couple of minutes when I drive on the freeways.
>
>  Could anyone tell me what I should do?

Yeah. Go to an auto parts store and pick up a Haynes guide for your car. 
Being a GM product, the service engine soon light going on means that 
the cars computer has found something wrong with itself. This is part of
its self-diagnostic system. In the Haynes guide under the chapter titled
"Emissions control systems", there will be a section on the CCC (Computer
Command Control) system. The book will outline a procedure you can use to
read what trouble code the computer has stored in its memory. Once this
number is obtained, you can read what is wrong right out of the included
chart. Check before you pick up the book. If a Haynes guide does not 
have this info, check out a Chiltons guide. Several mechanics have told me that
the all GM cars use similar trouble codes, so if anything go to the library
and pick up any Haynes guide for any GM car that has the details of 
reading the computer. I know for sure that the book that covers C/K series
trucks has this information. 

To simply describe the procedure, what you do is find the diagnostic terminal
on the drivers side of the dash board. You will uncover this terminal, and
run a length of wire from one of the terminals to another (the book will
tell you exactly which ones). You will then turn the ignition on. The 
"service engine" light will flash code 12 three times, indicating that it
is in diagnostic feedback mode. Once it has flashed code 12 three times, it
will flash the number of any trouble codes it has stored in memory three
times each. Once it is done flashing these trouble codes, it will flash
code 12 three times again. After this, the entire cycle will repeat
(code 12 three times, trouble codes three times each, etc). Write down 
the codes, shut the key off, remove the wire, and you are done. The code
will give you a good idea of what is wrong with the engine, using the
chart included in the book. 

Hope that this works out for ya.



-- 
|       Michael G. Mshar        | My Life-Long Goal: To keep common sense    |
|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
|  mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   |     \\President, Nice Guys Anonymous//     |
|____>>> United States Steel, Mechanical Engineer, Technical Services <<<____|
From: johns@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (John Schubert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:59:29 GMT
Subject: Re: CAR ALARMS: My Story/FAQ
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
From: bdicosim%arrlhq.UUCP@uhasun.hartford.edu (Bridget DiCosimo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Radar Detectors
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:04:36 GMT
Organization: American Radio Relay League


Read in the paper yesterday that Radar Detectors are now LEGAL in
Connecticut.  

Go figure?!?  Now that the cops are using Laser Detection of
course radar would be legal.  Although I think I will get myself
a radar detector because not ALL police stations are using the
laser yet.  

- Bridget

Bridget F. DiCosimo
Technical Department Secretary
-------------------------------
The American Radio Relay League (ARRL)
225 Main Street
Newington, CT  06111     U.S.A.
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New Camshaft = New Lifters?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:09:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:

>I am attempting to replace the camshaft (which has a worn lobe) on my 
>Ford 292 engine in my '63 F-100 pick up.  I have two questions:
>
>1) Do I need to replace all the lifters when I replace the camshaft?
>   (Shaft = $80, 16 lifters = >$100 )

Everything that I have ever read on the subject strongly recommends that
you replace all of the lifters whenever you swap cams. This is done because
the cam and lifters are supposed to wear in together as a set. Also, it
can be safely assumed that if your cam lobe was worn that your lifter 
received some wear, also. Look at it this way, you might as well replace 
the lifters now, not after one wears out when you are done putting the
engine back together.

>
>2) Do I need to replace the camshaft bearings?
>   (Shaft only = "in chasis" repair, bearings = remove engine)

As far as I have seen, this is not necessary unless the bearings are worn
excessively. You can measure the inner radius of the bearings with a 
telescoping guage, if you think that this might be a problem. Also look
for grooves or nicks in the bearings that shouldn`t be there. 


-- 
|       Michael G. Mshar        | My Life-Long Goal: To keep common sense    |
|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
|  mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   |     \\President, Nice Guys Anonymous//     |
|____>>> United States Steel, Mechanical Engineer, Technical Services <<<____|
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:41:46 GMT

g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko) writes:


>-In article <1992Sep28.123020.28685@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, seymour@bnr.ca 
>|>(Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
>|>Those of us in Canada have been getting reamed with taxes lately- 
>|>especially if you reside in Ontario.  Starting October 1st Ontario 
>|>is not going to believe you when you try to get a second hand car registered - 
>|>with respect to the purchase price.  On this date new legislation goes into 
>|>affect whereby the tax paid on licencing will be computed on the sales 
>|>agreement price or a value in some bullshit book -which ever is more.  

Does this mean if you are given a car as a gift you have to pay some
sort of sales tax on it?  I was given a car and had quite an argument
convincing my local DMV that it was given to me as a gift as opposed to
me purchasing it when I tried to register it. 

Jim 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:35:01 GMT

I am amazed how everyone has such a "cookbook" answer for the relative handling
attributes of FWD versus RWD.  Where does everyone get this "FWD understeers"
and "RWD oversteers" simplicity?   Either design can be prone to both extremes
depending on the driving situation and the car's setup.  

Simply stated, "oversteer" indicates that the slip angle of the rear wheels
exceeds that of the front wheels.  "Understeer" is the opposite -- front
wheel slip angle is greater than the rear.  

Slip angles are influenced by tire pressures, acceleration/braking and weight
distribution.   And anything that affects weight distribution (roll stiffness,
etc.) can come into play as a secondary effect.   During any series of manuevers
the car will experience both extremes if the driver is not smooth and skilled
at what they are doing.  I have spun FWD cars just a violently as RWD; and I
have slid straight off the ends of curves in RWD cars.

All those other "disadvantages" of FWD like trailing-throttle-oversteer,
torque feedback, and poor limited slip have have pretty much been designed
out in the more current designs (let's not forget that RWD was pretty sad
in the early days of automotive history).  

If YOU can not make a FWD or RWD car do what YOU want it to, then chances
are YOU need to learn how to drive that particular design or set the car up
properly.  If all this "_WD is clearly superior" stuff were true then we 
would ALWAYS see the opposing design at the bottom of the list at any given
competitive event.  This is simply not the case.    In the 4 SCCA stock
classes that have significant numbers of FWD and RWD cars (DS, ES, GS, and HS)
these classes have been won by both designs.  In ES the class has been
dominated by FWD for the last 10 years.  

So anyone can claim RWD or FWD is better, but all they are telling me is that
they either know very little about what makes cars handle or that they only
know how to drive one type of design.   

Mark
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SRL311/DATSUN ROADSTER:organization addr wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.1992Sep30.153959.1
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory


    A while back someone posted an article about DATSUN ROADSTER organization.
I would like to contact them, Does anybody have an address?
                                        Kris
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: herman@tellabs.com (Dale Herman)
Subject: Re: problem with rear tires on '91 MR2
Keywords: tire wear, strange noise
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:54:59 GMT

I have a '91 MR2 Turbo with 11,000 miles. The original Bridgestone
tires are still in great shape. If you're not smoking the tires with
jack-rabbit starts, your car has a problem. 

My car does not make strange noises when I go over bumps at _any_ temperature.

Good Luck

-- 
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Dale E. Herman				     herman@tellab1.tellabs.com
Tellabs Operations, Inc., Lisle, Il.	     ->insert witty quote here<-
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From: cloutier@Software.Mitel.COM (Mark Cloutier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Honda Accord Anti-Lock Brakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:36:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

I posted this question last week but must have missed any replies the 
newsgroup has been recently cleaned up.

Does anyone out there have a Honda Accord with anit lock brakes. 
If so does it make a lot of noise. The system on my 91 Accord makes
enough noise to be heard over the radio at highway speeds. The dealer
says that this system is very noisy. They have blamed it on a relay,
a pump and an accumulator. The mechanic even admitted that he
knew very little about the system and had not received any formal 
training. Last week this noise was cycling on and off in 15 sec - 5
sec bursts. This happened for 3 days every time I drove the car.
I had the car checked again by the dealer today and of course the
system wasn't misbehaving. The service rep just shrugged his shoulders
and said the system checked out. If anybody knows how the system
is supposed to work or has experienced similar problems so that I can
tell whether the dealer is telling me the truth or just giving me the
run around.

Thanks Mark

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: chevy pickups going kaboom like a pinto
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:11:29 GMT

I saw an article on Inside Edition (I know, TABLOID !!!!) last night about
Chevy pickups (1973-1987) models haveing a little problem with exploding.
According to the article their safety record is far FAR worse than that
of the '79 Ford Pinto's that have such a bad reputation for rear end
collisions.  The gas tank on the Chevy Pickups is mounted between the
main spar of the frame and the body outboard of the frame spar.
Therefore, in an accident, the gas tank gets squished between the body
and frame and can burst and explode.  I noticed this once when I was
underneath my brother-in-laws pickup and questioned the wisdom of the
gas tank placement but figured "hey, I'm sure ol' GM knows more about it
than I do"  Aparently the government has ordered an investigation into
the safety of these vehicles and why they were not recalled. GM has
apparently been paying MAJOR settlements with a stipulation that the
people they settle with have to keep their mouths shut about it or pay back
the money and so we have not heard a lot about it before.  Anybody know
more about this?  Anybody know anybody who's truck was torched from
this?

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Lugging an engine?
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:08:46 GMT

I was listening to an auto talk show one time and they have a "question of the
week" which people try to answer before the next week's show when they reveal
the correct answer.  The question that I heard was:  Why is lugging an engine
bad for the engine?  I was not around to hear the answer to this question so I
was wondering if anyone knows the answer.  From what I gathered from the
conversation, lugging an engine applies to manual transmission cars and means
to drive the car in a higher gear than "recommended" for a given speed.  Does
anyone know exactly what lugging the engine is (i.e. in terms of rpm) and why
is this bad for the engine?

-Ed S.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dlawlor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Doug Lawlor)
Subject: Re: ALFA ALFASUD?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:20:28 GMT



Can Alfa cars be bought in Canada?  I have not heard of any dealerships.
Are there any?  

Doug
Internet: dlawlor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Honda Civic
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:13:07 GMT

In article achin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, Augustine C Chin <achin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> () writes:
>
>Hi There,
>
>	I am planning to buy a Honda Civic LX, but it cost about 13,000, and
>that is a little too expensive for me( I am a college student ).

Why not look for a good used car less than three years old. You could find
a better car than a Civic for less money.

>	Does it really cost that much?  And are there any other cars out
>there that are around that price range or less which handles better

Yup, That's more than what I paid for an almost fully loaded Firebird
three years old with all the high-performance options. Three years later,
I'm still driving it and problems are minimal.

>	Any comments are welcome.

   Here's one: was your decision to look at Hondas in any way influenced
by an aggressive advertising campaign?

Andy.

PLEASE IGNORE MY OBVIOUS IGNORANCE.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Jeep Wrangler - bigger tires
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.203901.27766@col.hp.com> tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:
>Does anyone know what width rims are on my stock car? And, what size
>should I get if I want to put moderately sized tires on the car now,
>i.e. 30x10 or 30x9.5 or the like. Not those huge tires seen on some
>jeeps.  

It seems like the stock rims on my '87 YJ are 8" wide.  I ended up with
30"x10.50" BFG All Terrain Radials on mine but I added a 3" lift kit and 
Rancho RS5000's before hand.

I knew a guy that put 31x10.50s on a stock YJ and the tires rubbed when he
had rear seat passengers.  You'd probably need some lift or an add-a-leaf 
if you wanted 31+ tires on your Jeep.

Talk to your tire dealer first.  

-- 
Paul Hutmacher
paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
{lobster,nuchat}!xcluud!paul
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:28:35 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Anyone have any comments/arguments on whether Front Wheel Drive (FWD) or
Rear Wheel Drive (RWD) is better for handling?  Obviously this is a very broad
subject but I have a friend that says FWD is best and I do not agree.  Anyone
have some proof of either?
 
Kevin

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Computing and Telecommunications              PHONE:  502-588-6303
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From: walkerr@yaya.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Can I get out of these 2 tickets?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:23:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu


>I noticed on the tickets that there's a space where I'm supposed to sign my
>name--to ackowledge receipt of the ticket. I did not sign them. My question
>is: does that mean anything? Presumably, my signing the ticket is part of the
>procedure, and he didn't follow it. But the thing is, I have no defense other
>than that--I was speeding, I did not have my license.
>

When i got a speeding ticket a year and a half ago,  i only had my license
for 3 weeks.  the cop didn't make me sign in the ticket either.  But then
a police officer friend of mine told me that they don't have to.  Recently
a Connecticut state trooper and a enviromental conservaton officer
caught me and 5 friends in a state part after dark.  We all got
60 dollar tickets.  None of us signed those either.  Again the advice
of a friend of a friends father who happens to be a state trooper said
 to contest it, it can't cost you anymore, and it also gives you time
to save up the money to pay it off.  Besides the chances of getting the
fine reduced are really good, especially if you have no previous record
Just for the record at the state park, we weren't drinking, smoking,
being loud and not one of us had even the slightest thing on our
record, yet we still got the maximum fine.  Sorry that just makes me
Really MAD.  
                                  Bob
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:36:54 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I had serious trouble deciding whehter to flame or not :>

In rec.autos, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>Ok I'll bite - what difference!    What do you drive a 6x6!.  A tank!
>There are only three types of all terrain vehicles.

A moron who thinks the only real vehicles are off-road vehicles....

>There are also two types of drivers for such vehicles...

And only one pea-brained knobble-headed driver for off-road only vehicles,
apparently. All that bouncing your tiny head off the roof must have
crushed what was left of that single neuron into useless mush.

>Seriously,  there are too many people out there who think 4X4 on the side
>means you don't need to know anything new to drive it through poor conditions.

Seriously, there are other advantages to to AWD on dry or wet pavement 
or dirt and gravel roads. It's called handling.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jayant@eng.umd.edu (Ramakrishnan Jayant)
Subject: 84 NISSAN Stanza.
Reply-To: jayant@eng.umd.edu (Ramakrishnan Jayant)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:20:14 GMT

Can anybody tell me how much a 84 NISSAN Stanza should sell for? In other words,
does anybody know what the blue book value is?

Thanks in advance.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:31:56 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.212217.24201@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>Hey, have  any of you people ever actually *driven* a front wheel
>drive car in the snow?! It doesn't sound like it! Let me preface this
>by saying I *much* prefer RWD at least as far as performance cars go.
>However...when I lived in an area where snow was a factor, the FWD car
>was much *easier* to drive in snow without losing control. Period. The
>car would simply *never* fishtail.

BAH.

I've been a passenger in FWD cars on snowy roads when suddenly the car did
a complete (and slow) 180 degree turns while still moving down the street.
The driver was completely unable to regain control of the vehicle until it
had come to rest against the curb.

>With a RWD car, when it loses traction
>with the rear wheels (and it will, unless you're extremely careful, and
>even then it sometimes will) it tends to fishtail, or even spin. A FWD
>car simply will not.

This is simply not true.

FWD is not idiot proof; it CAN and DOES get away from people.
From: brd@images1.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Barry Drodge)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: When is Detroit auto show?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:44:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrwat.9977
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

I was wondering when and exactly where the Detroit auto show is for 93.

thanks,

--
Barry.R.Drodge@Waterloo.NCR.COM
Imaging Systems Division, NCR Canada LTD. 580 Weber ST. N, Waterloo, Ontario
Canada N2J 4G5                         Voice: 519-884-1710 FAX:519-884-0610
"My job is so top secret that it keeps me from knowing what I am doing!"
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: newsgroup for 4x4 trucks?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 22:53:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   I would love to see a 4x4 newsgroup. I'm planning on picking up a Ranger
4x4 or a Jeep in the near future and would like to read up on these vehicles.
-- 
George Bush? He doesn't have a clue anymore. Bill Clinton? A slick smile and
a pandering style. Neither one is being realistic about what it is going to
take. The answer..........? ROSS FOR BOSS! VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT FOR PRESIDENT!
The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: NJ's Guv Jim says no to 65, was Re: sp
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:21:21 GMT
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

Highway designers will tell you that drivers react to a road. That is,
even if the speed limit is changed, the so-called "80th percentile"
speed will stay relatively constant. So the guv is wrong in his
assertion that everyone will go 10 MPH faster if the speed limit is
raised 10 MPH. Sure, some will, but not nearly as many will go faster
at all.
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