HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:09:49 GMT

In <Bxv9zp.J2w@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
>
>As regards the architecture in Coventry, all I can say is that it grows
>on you. And the roads do work well, despite looking like hell.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No they don't!  Coventry's attempt at a ring-road is a complete disaster;
there's hardly enough distance for cars to get on to it, while avoiding
those crossing their paths to get off it.  The only other one I know
that's worse is Reading, which is built to the same plan, but was only
ever half-completed; for a long time one flyover section just stopped
in mid-air!

BTW, I don't dislike the rest of Coventry, but I think anyone who picks
out the road system as a "feature" must be thinking of a different city!

ABTW, I think London's road system is dreadful too!
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From: scott@memex.co.uk (Scott Williamson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:30:50 GMT
Organization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland

In article <721949208snz@muir.demon.co.uk> malcolm@muir.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>Next argument - I say the first year of the 21st. century is 2001, not 2000
>which is the last year of the 20th. century.
>

So what? When the party-poppers and champagne corks go off on 1/1/2000
are you going to be the one sitting in the corner drinking orange juice
saying "you're all wrong, stop celebrating"?

Scott Williamson		scott@memex.co.uk
From: sl@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Stuart Lea)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Rugby clock codes - help !!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:21:16 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Does aanyone have the address/phone no./fax no. of the Atomic clock in
Rugby.  These are the people who transmit their highly accurate time code
on 60 Khz

If you haven't got an address but know what I'm talking about, could you tell
me what the D.U.T codes are ?



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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk (Bernie Jones)
Subject: Re: Was: Re: 29 Feb 2000?, Now: 2000/2001
Reply-To: Bernie.Jones@cl.cam.ac.uk (Bernie Jones)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:52:05 GMT

In <721949208snz@muir.demon.co.uk> malcolm@muir.demon.co.uk ("Malcolm S. Muir") writes:

> Next argument - I say the first year of the 21st. century is
> 2001, not 2000 which is the last year of the 20th. century.

...and lots of people wrote about TV companies etc celebrating it at
the end of 1999. The point is that regardless of what mathematics and
chronology say, the psychological decade/century start when you see a
different number at the front of the date - personally, I'd feel a bit
stupid celebrating when 2000 turns into 2001 (mind you, there's some
that say I'm a bit stupid anyway). Maybe we should draw distinctions
between chronological and psychological decades/centuries/millenia :-)

On a slightly different note, I want to know what the banks are going to 
do with chequebooks they issue in 1999 - will they leave the whole 'date'
line blank, or will they put 19/20 half-way along it (unlikely, and tacky).
More importantly, will we get re-runs of Space-1999?

Bernie
From: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:10:53 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <BxyvKv.FJ@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave) writes:
>In article <BxyJLx.Kpr@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
>>>No they don't!  Coventry's attempt at a ring-road is a complete disaster;
>>>there's hardly enough distance for cars to get on to it, while avoiding
>>>those crossing their paths to get off it. 
>
>Perhaps that might explain why they are repairing it at the moment. How about
>the walkers (can't spell pedtrastians) who have to cross it every day. Who
>built that really crap bridge near the RM sorting office. So bad that nobody
>used it so the council put up six foot high railings between the carridge ways.
>So you're forced to use that bloody bridge.
>

They put these sort of bridges in (and the equally grotty underpasses) because
they are obliged to provide a crossing point for pedestrians, but they are 
always so far out of the way that nobody ever uses them; instead they just 
drive about in their cars, adding to the congestion. I remember that there was
a (literally) 3 storey high footbridge over the M8 Kingston Bridge north side
in Glasgow, which now looks rather peculiar standing over the motorway with
the ends removed to prevent people using it any more...

>>There's not much in Coventry but road systems!
>

Ditto Glasgow, Birmingham, London, Leeds, Newcastle, ...

ObUselessFacts:
In Mu"nchen, Germany they are now ripping up their inner-city 
ring road expressway and turning it into a park. (Source Car: Dream or
Nightmare? conference, Glasgow)

In Glasgow, Scotland, they want to box round (well, through) the rest of the 
city centre with a new expressway.

Dave.--dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk  or  cad129@ccsun.strath.ac.uk {or sthg similar!}-

If you did something which carried a high risk of your own death, a high risk 
of killing other people, which adversely affected the environment, which cost
you a lot of money, and was highly taxed, you'd stop wouldn't you?

Driving: it's time to kick the habit.    "Training beats coaching" (C) ScotRail
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:35:45 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) writes:
> This is a serious suggestion. If it is expected that everyone will need
> a dish it will look awful if everyone bolts something onto some random part
> of their hose. Builders of new houses should provide some sort of dish
> cupboard, with the outside wall made with radio transparent material.
> I'm sure a market would soon develop for artwork to cover the external face
> of this. This would alow the dish to live inside, protected from the wind,
> and it could be fitted with a steering mechanism much more easily than if
> it were outside.

It would also mean you wouldn't have to put up with people pointing at your
Amstrad Sky TV dish and laughing.


mathew
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From: apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley)
Subject: Re: humor in England
Organization: unorganized
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:11:41 GMT

In article <3213@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:


>
><< It's you that's sad! Parsley liquor on your pie and mash is bloody
><< lovely and I won't hear a word said against it. All this from a bloke
><< who's moved to a dump like Coventry, the only place I know that makes M1
><< service stations look attractive! More concrete than you could shake a
><< stick at.
>

>Internet: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk        UUCP: ...!{uunet,uknet}!ucl-cs!G.Joly
>Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT

It can't be worse than central London! Sleezy streets full of degenerates...
people with accents that sound like they stepped out of one of those 30's
movies about cheeky cockney chappies and jolly good toffs.. rubbish piled 
everywhere... wall-to-wall Iranians and other shady arabs trying to rob you
 of your parking place... nowhere to park and a fight to the death to buy
a bag of sweets or a newspaper from bad tempered illiterate foreign illegals.

Not that I'm biased or anything, but I reckon England starts at Watford Gap.
Heading north.
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From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:55:15 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <By1En8.Btt@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) writes:
>In article <11062@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91) writes:
>>1 This is *my* lane. That's why I'm cycling in the centre of it. I've left a 
>>  lane on my right for you (gosh, I'm so generous).
>>2 If you (a car) enter my lane you do so at your own risk.
>>3 If you pass by me so closely that I can touch your car <thump> then I will
>>  do so. You're *too* close.
>>4 If you have a problem with that then I'll be happy to argue about it at the
>>  next traffic lights. Failing that, I'll take down your numberplate and report
>>  you to the police. (I've not tried this, but many rec.bicycles.* people 
>>  confirm that this has the desired effect.)
...chopped a bit
>I just cycle in the middle of my lane if being hassled.  Why not?  I'm
>a vehicle with the same status as any other (when not on a motorway
>B^>).

Ah-ha you don't have the same status as a horse 'vehicle', isn't it time the
laws were updated, its currently something like horses always have right of way, next it'll be milk floats as they are equally slow and you don't know what they are doing either ? Horses should'nt have to be classed as transport anymore,
they should be left to run the fields and make little horses :*)

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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Subtle (i.e. obscure) cigarette adverts
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:48:50 GMT

In article <JC.92Nov19091603@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:
>In article <6787@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby) writes:
>
>
>   Recently I've noticed some adverts for cigarettes which are totally beyond
>   me. One featured a red scorpion and the other featured an empty glass with
>   a beer bottle top lying beside it. Anybody know what brands these are
>   advertising? 
>
>
>I don't know the names, but I believe that the tobacco companies are
>trying to get round some advertising laws about not including brand
>names in tobacco advertising.

A trend I've noticed lately is how they're getting LESS intelligent. I'm
talking about the Embassy Regal (I smoke 'em cos my name's on 'em - REG)
and the new ones that are made to look like 50's ads with Another Tip from
whatever the fag manufacturer's name is. It's weird. No one says "Smoke
these because they relax you and taste quite nice" anymore. They're not
even selling you a lifestyle anymore (remember the old MARLBORO COUNTRY ads?).

I just think it's weird, is all.

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From: cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk (C.M.Brough)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,scot.general,ed.general
Subject: Object Oriented Courses
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:05:01 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

A couple of the projects I am working on involve some degree of object
oriented methodology in their designs. However, I have no experience
of OO. I am looking for a course that will give an overview of OO
techniques and concepts, probably without getting into any particular
langauge or methodology. I haven't been able to come up with anything
that quite fits, and so if anyone knows of anything please let me
know.

I have read Stroustrup (C++), but want to get a feel for the concepts
behind the constructs, and abstract away from (to me, grotty) syntax.

Please mail as I don't read all these groups. I will summarise and
post any useful information I receive.

Cheers.

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From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Pavements
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:38:20 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: The City University

jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:

>Does anyone know the definition of a pavement (the legal one, not the
>dictionary one). I ask because I was nearly run over this morning by a
>car crossing the pavement from a drop kerb to enter a drive. I thought
>I was still on the pavement, but the driver seemed to think that he
>had priority because he was still on the road.
>--
>John Callingham                                         (jc@fulcrum.co.uk)

The "footway" commonly called the pavement - is the part of the road
on which vehicles and horses are forbidden to travel, though they are
permitted to cross. By your description that driveway was crossing
the footway (but still part of it). No road user has any priority over 
other road users  (even if bus and taxi drivers appear to feel differently),

Andy
From: zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Data Protection Act
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:38:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <3206@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>
>Do bitmapped/raster images on students and staff come under the Act?
>
>Can they be stored on disk and veiwed by all?
                                  ^
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                                      and enjoyable) ?
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From: D.Pidcock@bradford.ac.uk (Danny Pidcock)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:38:09 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91642540@saffron
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Guy Barry (gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <By0y7A.Dq@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
: >In article <11581@scott.ed.ac.uk> guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
: >
: >>Yes, I've wondered about how the years of the next decade will be
: >>pronounced.  By analogy with "nineteen hundred", "nineteen oh one",
: >>"nineteen oh two", ... we ought to have "twenty hundred", "twenty oh
: >>one", "twenty oh two", ... but I've never heard anything but "two
: >>thousand" (or "the year two thousand"), "two thousand and one", "two
: >>thousand and two", ... .  By the time it gets to 2020, though, people
: >>start talking about "twenty twenty", so where's the mysterious point
: >>where the naming scheme changes?
: >
: >2010.
: 
: How can you be so sure?  I've heard both "twenty ten" and "two
: thousand and ten".
: 
But Twenty eleven sounds odd (say it out loud - your colleagues will probably
think you've gone mad ;-) )

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:54:11 GMT

In article <6434@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> peter@serv2.essex.ac.uk (Peter Allott) writes:
>Will there be a 29 Feb 2000?
>
>The cal program thinks so!

Your cal program has it right. Think. This year's a leap year. So's 1996.
Therefore, so's 2000. If I'm utterly blind to the way our adopted calendar
has worked for centuries, then please correct me.

Thanks.

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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: How do you claim?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:18:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <3209@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:

>P.S. Golden rule: never say anything at the scene. Your insurance
>company will do all the talking!

In other words, even if was entirely your own stupid fault, and you
know it, you should still keep your mouth shut, since the unprincipled
brigands employed by the legal and insurance professions may still be
able to put one over on your blameless victim. This sounds rather
immoral, but don't forget the basic principle of Thatcherism: the
greatest good for the greatest number is automatically ensured by the
free operation of market forces, so being anything other than grossly
selfish in all circumstances will definitely screw things up badly;
you might even end up out of pocket!
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From: zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: How do you claim?
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:21:14 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <28217@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <3209@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:

>In other words, even if was entirely your own stupid fault, and you
>know it, you should still keep your mouth shut, since the unprincipled
>brigands employed by the legal and insurance professions may still be
>able to put one over on your blameless victim. This sounds rather
>immoral, but don't forget the basic principle of Thatcherism: the
>greatest good for the greatest number is automatically ensured by the
>free operation of market forces, so being anything other than grossly
>selfish in all circumstances will definitely screw things up badly;

I see. So Mrs T's legacy includes, among other things, defining
rules for insurance companies.  I've never realised how powerful
she was !! :-)
How comforting it is to have a single scapegoat for everything (stupid
insurance policies, bad weather, inflation) : communists/freemasons/

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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Address request
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:37:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <9211151739.aa02861@demon.demon.co.uk>, AUSBROOK@ucs.indiana.edu (Entropy Warrior) writes:
> Could anyone help me with the address of
> 
> Anna Praschma
> Newnham College
> Cambridge University
> 
CAMBRIDGE
Great Britain.

That'll do to get your first letter there, when you can ask about post codes
and such like.

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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: TV licence authorities get wrists smacked
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:03:27 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <By0oKJ.3sx@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

> They can't fine you on the spot but they will prosecute you irrespective of
> whether you were 'just about to send in the form' or not.
> You can't escape prosecution any more, even if you rush out immediately after
> a visit and buy a licence.
> Nor will you be offfered a 'buy one or face prosecution' option, they'll
> just prosecute you.

I know this certainly used to be the case but are you sure it still is?
Wasn't the law changed recently to make licence dodging a civil rather than
a criminal offence?

I know of someone who was recently visited and they *were* given the option
of writing out a cheque on the spot.

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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: How do you claim?
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:37:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <6067@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak) writes:
>In article <28217@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

>>In other words, even if was entirely your own stupid fault, and you
>>know it, you should still keep your mouth shut, since the unprincipled
>>brigands employed by the legal and insurance professions may still be
>>able to put one over on your blameless victim. This sounds rather
>>immoral, but don't forget the basic principle of Thatcherism: the
>>greatest good for the greatest number is automatically ensured by the
>>free operation of market forces, so being anything other than grossly
>>selfish in all circumstances will definitely screw things up badly;

>I see. So Mrs T's legacy includes, among other things, defining
>rules for insurance companies.

I suggest you reread the text you quoted more carefully. There is no
recommendation in it about how insurance companies should behave. The
only exhortation is for the client of an insurance to behave like the
ideally rationally selfish economic unit on which Thatcherite economic
"theory" depends.

>How comforting it is to have a single scapegoat for everything (stupid
>insurance policies, bad weather, inflation) : communists/freemasons/

I'm glad to hear you find this comforting, but it seems somewhat of a
non-sequitur in response to a posting concerned with the proper
behaviour of an insurance company client.
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft)
Subject: Light bulb identification
Reply-To: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:10:58 +0000

I seemed to have asked this question everywhere else without getting a
straight answer, so I'll try here...

What are the voltage and current ratings of light bulbs which are only
identified by having a number on the side:  One says '45', another '47',
and the third '455'; this last one flashes.  They have what I believe is
known as an MCC base, and I guess are rated at around 6 volts (6.3v,
perhaps?).

Steve
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