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From: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Finderless 7.1 Boot/Startup Disk
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:17:54 GMT
Reply-To: howie@intermec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett, Wa.

How does one create a Finderless bootable floppy.

I want to create a system 7.1 startup dis for my vx that will start a program
like SilverLining or SCSI Director.  I cannot fit these programs on a minimum
configured boot disk that has the finder.

I know it is possible since I have just such a disk that start up Norton
Utilities when booting from this disk which runs 6.0.7 with no Finder.

Using the Norton Utilities Disk Editor and viewing the boot blocks the stratup
program is labeled "Norton Utils" and the Finder is labeled Finder as one
would expect.  When clicking on the Finder entry the help dialog indicates
this is where the system returns to if the startup application is quit.  If
no finder one receives a message that states you must restart.

Going into the HEX/ASCII display mode I can see the startup program name
"Norton Utils" in the ASCII display area.  The byte just to the left is 0C
hex which I am guesing is the length of the startup program name, in this
case 12 characters.

Now on to what I tried.  I duplicated the 7.1 Disk Tools Disk first.  Threw
away the finder and copied SCSI Director to the disk.  I shortened the name
of the SCSI Director to SCSI Direct, because it appeared the name could only
be 13 characters long.  This is 12 characters long. I changed the program
name from Finder (The startup program on the Disk Utils DIsk) to SCSI Direct.
I changed the byte preceeding the name from 06 to 0C (12 characters).

Restarted from this disk. The machine seemed to boot fine, but then kicked
the disk out after the initial boot!

Am I on the right track?  Is there any other way to make a Finderless disk?

In case you are wondering why, I want to be able to create hard partions on
my vx hard drive and and the Apple format utility only allow one partiton.

Howard Kaplan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: HELP fot CDROM at MacIIci needed
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:05:47 PST
Organization: California State University, Fresno
Keywords: CDROM Mac IIci

I don't know if Apple's CD ROM setup 4.0.2 will work with whatever drive your
friend has but it's available via FTP from Apple...

Marc.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aa443@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Szarek)
Subject: System 7.1 upgrade for Canadian Users
Reply-To: aa443@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Szarek)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:36:08 GMT


Recently the internet has been filled with the Apple offer of upgrading
to System 7.1 to US users only. But now I'm pleased to tell the net that
Apple Canada (seperate from Apple USA) has been convinced to offer this
upgrade was well.

The upgrade is valid only to Canadian User Group Members only.

The upgrade costs $39.00 + GST + PST (shipping & handling inc)

This offer expires on March 26, 1993.

To order you can contact: Patricia Johnson
                          Apple Canada Inc.
                          7495 Birchmount Road,
                          Markham, Ontario
                          L3R 5G2

They should send you a form where you write in your user group name,
mailing address, your name, and daytime phone number. With this
form you include a cheque or money order. 

You can also contact your local user group for more info.

Note: there will be a French version of this offer available around
      the month of February.
-- 
Robert A. Szarek
NCF/National Capitol Freenet
Ottawa, Canada
aa443@freenet.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: chang@kth.se (Chang Yanting)
Subject: SE/30, pivot and System 7.01
Reply-To: chang@kth.se (Chang Yanting)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:03:16 GMT



Hello,
I have some problems with System 7.01.

I have a SE/30 connected with a Radius Pivot (gray shadows).

I had no problem when I ran System 6.05.

Recently I installed System 7.01 and it did'nt work with the Pivot.

System crash occurred frequently. Then I was told that the ROM in the

Pivot interface board should be upgraded. And now I have done so. 

Still the problem remains. I have tried to turn off all the extensions

and INIs. The system crash still happens now or then.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions ?

I will be very grateful if some one can help me.


Thanks

Chang, Yanting

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong)
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk -- how to get it?
Organization: SCO Developer Relations
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:51:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <YAMA.93Jan28201557@muras1.waseda.ac.jp>,
yama@muras1.waseda.ac.jp (Mr. Hayato YAMANA) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1k7u94INNo6e@pith.uoregon.edu> srussell@cie.uoregon.edu (Steven Russell) writes:
> 
> |A colleague of mine is interested in running KanjiTalk on her Mac
> |IIsi.  Is KanjiTalk commercial software, or is it distributed in the
> |same way as the U.S. version of System software?  What is the most
> |current version available?  Any help would be gladly received.
> 
> Yes, Kanjitalk is the system software distributed by apple Japan.
> The current version of Kanjitalk is 7 called "KanjiTalk7", which
> is based on system7.1.
> 
> "KanjiTalk7" includes eight kinds of  japanese true type font.
> Thus, "KanjiTalk7" is distributed by CD-ROM.
> The floppy version of "KanjiTalk7" also exits, but has only two
> kinds of japanese true type font.
> 
> I think you can buy kanjiTalk7 from Apple in U.S.A.
> --
> Hayato YAMANA     Major: Parallel Processing                -------------
> yama@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp / PBB03245@niftyserve.or.jp  -------------
> Centre for Informaics, Waseda University                    -------------
> 3-4-1 Okubo, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 169 Japan                   -------------

I just called up Apple two days ago (408-996-1010), said I wanted to speak
with someone in Apple/Pacific Sales, asked this same question, and got the
following info:

-  There are Apple dealers in the US who are authorized to sell KanjiTalk,
   but right now they can sell only the System 6 based version, which 
   requires the special Japanese LaserWriter.  I didn't ask if any US 
   dealer is authorized to sell the Japanese LaserWriter, since I don't
   want to buy another printer

-  There will be a new, System 7.1 based KanjiTalk coming out ("confirmed"
   that same evening in the current issue of MacWeek, which claims March
   shipment).  The new version is WorldScript-based and will run with 
   standard System 7.1.  It uses 10 Mb of hard disk space, and if you
   want to load all of the TrueType fonts, you'll need another 60 Mb (!)
   of disk space.  At least you won't need a special LaserWriter.  The
   MacWeek article reported that Word Perfect & Nisus are readying Kanji
   versions of their products to support the new KanjiTalk7.1. 
Unfortunately,
   the person I spoke with in Apple/Pacific said the plans for distributing
   this version in the US weren't in place yet (maybe because that'll 
   require cooperation from Apple/USA).



______________________________________________________________________
Ron Wong                  The Santa Cruz Operation          408-427-7128
Net & Comm Segment Mgr/   400 Encinal Street, PO Box 1900  FAX: 425-3544
DevProgram Marketing Mgr  Santa Cruz, CA  95061-1900
E-mail:   ...uunet!sco!ronaldw      ronaldw@sco.COM
______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: a-kraus@uiuc.edu (Albert L. Kraus)
Subject: Quadra 950 and MIDI ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: PES
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:00:59 GMT

I have problems getting my Qudra 950 and MIDI to work.
I would like to know if somebody has a similar setup running? 


Thanks!
Have a nice day!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: French 7.1 on US PB 160?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:14:58 GMT


How can I run the French version of System 7.1 on a US purchased Powerbook 160?
Someone was kind enough to send me the French System Enabler for the 160,
but how can I get the system software itself? It's not on the nov/dec
developer cd...

Rajiv Manglani
rajiv@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: ?How use 7.0.1 on IIvx?
From: ggale@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:54:20 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Help! I just tried to install 7.0.1 (Spanish) system in IIvx, and got an
error message that only 7.1 would work. Is there any way around this limitation
on the IIvx? It was hard enough to get the 7.0.1 Spanish...without trying
to start over again and find 7.1--if it even exists!
Would appreciate any help on this!
Thanks in advance.  Pls reply via e-mail if possible.

George
IN%"ggale@vax1.umkc.edu"

av
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jjm3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Joseph Martino)
Subject: Customize 7.0 Finder Menu?
Reply-To: jjm3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey J. Martino)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:02:39 GMT

Is there a simple way to remove (or make more difficult to select) an option 
from a pull-down menu in the finder Sys.7.0? Specifically, "Clean Up Desktop" 
from the Special Menu.

--Jeff Martino

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gyoungs@teal.csn.org (Gregory Youngs)
Subject: Re: ATM 3.0 Mirror (CPS), and System 7.1?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:12:18 GMT

If you try using ATM 3.0 and System 7.1, AND have Mirror
from MacTools, Mirror has to load AFTER ATM (loose in the
system folder works). 

It seemed that there have been lots of users having trouble
with Suitcase and 7.1. Is there a fix (yet) for this?

Greg
From: lg14@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 19"-Monitor on LCII ->Slowdown?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:44:47 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rz71.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Originator: lg14@rz71.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de


 
 
 

 

 
 



Dear netters,

Does anybody know, how a Prograph 19"b/w-Monitor (with hw-scrolling) influences the Speed of
an LCII? Does it slow down the LCII very much or is it acceptable.
What's about an IIsi/IIvx/IIvi?

Thanks in advance

Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: Why does my system grow?
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:22:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.033359.11846@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher) writes:
>I have noticed something recently,
>
>I have a Classic II running system 7.0.1*tune-up with a few various
>INITs and CDEVs to keep it interesting.  When I start up, the system
>uses about 1200K of RAM.  But after a few hours, or after leaving it on
>overnight, the system seems to grow to 1500K.  If I restart, of course,
>its back to normal.
>
>Can anyone tell me why this happens, and does system 7.1 fix it?

In answer to my own post, several people have informed me that the problem
is probably due to an INIT that allocated memory to itself and doesn't
give it up.  Are there INIT's which are known to do this? (To save me 
from the divide and conquer scheme)
I have:
Gatekeeper and Gatekeeper Aid 1.2.7
Norton Filesaver 2.0
Sound Control 2.2.1
Superclock! 3.9.1
Moire 3.22
The Grouch 2.5b1


Thanks in advance,
Tom Thatcher
smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


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From: Chris Roberts <ctr@po.cwru.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7.1 dissapearing HD and File Sharing.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:43:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63683.student.cwru.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A789C9AA1701F8C3@b63683.student.cwru.edu>
X-XXDate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:45:30 GMT

Is anyone familier with the problem with system 7.1 and sometimes
dissapearing Items on the Desktop (including the hard drive) within open
dialog boxes....

A related problem seems to be an inability to start file sharing.. I know
of two machines that have come up with this problem, and the only
solution I got from the help line was to reformat the hard drive and
start all over again.

any help would be appreciated.

	thanks,
    Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Re: Two things they could improve in System 7
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:09:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.044148.9890@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>1) The "Emptying Trash" dialog is the most annoying thing I've _EVER_ seen
>in my life! 
>
	I have to disagree with you on this one - in fact I am GLAD that Apple
put this in, and put it in correctly!

	First, most users will never see it since it only comes up after 2
seconds have passed (and the operation has not completed), and when it needs
to come up (like when I have 500 items in the trash), then I know how long
it is going to take and how far along it is. Just as it should!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: johore@teal.csn.org (John Orendt)
Subject: Re: Sys 7.0 bombs on boot. Why?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:20:38 GMT

Hi 
 
brecher@husc.harvard.edu suggested I format my drive before 
installation. Thanks. I tried this. It didn't help.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks.

-- 

  JOHN ORENDT         johore@csn.org               .-~~~-,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: David_B._Hauer@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:01:31 PST
Subject: Re: PICT to Quicktime

>Is there an application out there that will let me make
>movies from PICT files?

Adobe Premiere will do this, and I think the latest version of Macromedia
Director will, also.

dh

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From: cconstantine@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: NOVELL & System 7.x
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:28:25 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

For those of you on a NOVELL network out there, are you running into any
problems with NOVELL 3.11 (Mac NLM version 3.011) and System 7.x.  For example
can you still rebuild the desktop file on the Network volume using System 7?? 
Are you having any troubles with System 7.x mac destop files and the NOVELL
network??  What kinds of problems and solutions are you having/doing??

Thanks for the help.

Carl B. Constantine
CCONSTANTINE@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
	End-User Support Analyst
	Ministry of Environment, Lands & Parks
	Victoria, B.C.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: HD Icon moving around after startup
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:13:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.125736.23192@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> schwabe@inf.puc-rio.br (Daniel Schwabe) writes:
>My boot drive HD icon seems to move around on the desktop after EACH
>startup. Even when I drag it to its "default" startup HD icon position,
>it still gets displaced when I reboot the next time. Has anyone seen this?

Yes; on some of the Macs in the school computer lab, this happens. Whether
intentionally or accidentally, sometimes the "staggered view" option in
the Views control panel is selected in those cases. Try checking that.

(I am, of course, assuming you're running system 7...I ain't a mind reader!)
Jay (=
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Where are folder icons stored?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:38:24 GMT

In article <C1E7AL.49t@wolves.Durham.NC.US> ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>So, are the custom Icons for a folder stored in the resouce fork of the
>folder file?   Are they stored in the desktop databases?   I'm sure they
>are not in System or Finder!

     For disks and folders, the "Has custom icon" bit on the disk/folder's
Finder info is set, but as you've found out, the icon isn't anywhere in the
disk/folder's data itself.  Instead, an invisible "Icon<carriage return>" file
is created inside the folder (or in the root directory of a disk), a resource
file which has the icons stored under the usual resource IDs.  (They're
easy to spot; they're the only resources in the file. :) )
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: IIci System 7 Software Takes Up 13,279K!
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:18:42 GMT

]deletia[

All chant the sacred mac mantra:

Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.
Ohhmmmmm...turn 32-bit addressing on in the memory control panel.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mjg43166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Penn Mjg43166 Teller )
Subject: System 7.1 and Radius Color Pivot LE (IIsi)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:34:03 GMT

Has anyone had any problems with their Radius Color Pivot
while working under system 7.1.  I installed it and my 
monitor wouldn't pivot (ie it wouldn't change the screen
to the other view when rotated). I reinstalled system 7.0.1
and it worked fine.  I don't know if this a problem with
the system software or something else.

If anyone has any ideas or has experienced the same problem,
let me know.
Please e-mail me as I don't read this group very often.

Thanks,

Matt

mjg43166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: chh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Conrad Halling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: StyleWriter II
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: chh9@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan25.170205.13426@waikato.ac.nz> 
  ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:

>Is it true it [the StyleWriter II] doesn't have a manual feed?

I'm not sure what you mean by this question.  The SW II has a built-in paper
feeder that holds up to 100 sheets of paper or 15 envelopes.  You can do
a "manual" feed by putting a single sheet of paper into the paper feeder.
When the printer is about to print a sheet, it feeds the sheet into the
rollers, advances it a short distance, backs it up, then begins printing.
I assume this is to assure that the top of the page is recognized correctly
and that the paper is aligned correctly.

When you print envelopes, you have to flip two levers, one on the outside
of the machine, and one under the same door you use to access the ink
cartridge.  By the way, it does a beautiful job on envelopes.  Under page
setup, you can choose the envelope size.  Your word processing program
will then adjust itself to make the page size the size of the envelope.
A word processor with print preview (Word, WriteNow, etc.) helps so you
can see where the return address and mailing address are going to be on
the envelope before you print it.  I can now get rid of my clunky old
electric typewriter, which I used only to address envelopes.


-- 
Conrad Halling
c-halling@uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system