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From: croley@r2d2.mcc.com (David Croley)
Subject: Re: 25MHz IIsi and my engineering friend
Reply-To: croley@r2d2.mcc.com (David Croley)
Organization: MCC CAD Program
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:33:47 GMT

In article <lgo13jINNid0@lion.cs.utexas.edu>, benkei@cs.utexas.edu
(William Kent Richards) writes:
|>
|>I have a friend who worked at Motorola in the 680x0 fab labs, and he
|>told that all chips that are in the same family (ie, not crossing
|>technology boundaries like CMOS vs regular logic) come from the same
|>design, the same production runs, etc.  The only difference between
|>chips of different speeds is that the ones they sell as faster
|>actually test out at faster speeds.  So, they are the same chip,
|>except in the speed they maxed at and the extent of their testing.
|>The faster ones are tested much more, thus the higher cost.  (he also
|>told me that they have found some 030's that tested out at more than
|>65Mhz.  They hung on to those to try to figure out what happened to
|>them and how they could reproduce it. :)
|>
|>So the fact that it is declared as a certain speed chip indicates that
|>Motorola believes it is not suitable for higher speeds, or rather that
|>it is not suitable for the next higher speed class.
|>
|>Kent
|>-- 
|>
|>Kent Richards                         "Practice acts of random kindness
|>benkei@cs.utexas.edu                   and senseless beauty"

Close, but not quite the whole story.  It is true that the faster parts
are tested more, but not necessarily true that the slower parts "maxed out"
in testing.  I Motorola needs X number of processors at a certain speed, they
simply test them that far and label them as such.  This does not at all mean
that that is as fast as the processor can run.  That is why there have been
a large number of positive responses.  I would expect that older SI's (with
presumably older 68030's) would have a higher rate of failure (for the
upgrade).

Also, I wonder why the same trick would not work on an LC or the Quadra 700?
Anyone willing to try?
                                   
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: Mail order Macs (Mac&More) comments?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:24:57 GMT

palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:

>In <IVANCICH.92Nov21165758@quip.eecs.umich.edu> ivancich@eecs.umich.edu (Eric Ivancich) writes:


>>Jim McKee writes:
>>>   BTW, every mail-order place I know of is grey market -> i.e., not
>>> "Official Apple Dealership." 

>>What implications does this have for getting a Mac serviced under warranty?

>Bad news. The distributer usually files off the serial number so it can't
>be traced to the original reseller.

In that case, Mac&More is definitely NOT in grey market.  I bought my SE/30 fromthem a year and half ago.  I sent in my serial number with the registration card to Apple and it went through all right (because I got my "free gift" from Apple)

Steven Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
From: seth@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:10:23 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In reference to the question of whether Mac people will feel "betrayed" by the
transition, I say most heartily NO! I say that if someone bought an Apple II+
or whatever 12 years ago, they ought to be GRATEFUL that they got those 12 
years of use out of it and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES!! I started computing on a
DEC PDT-11/150 my dad had bought (he worked for DEC). It had 2 8" floppies, and
used a vt-52 for a terminal and an LA-36 for a printer. We later sold this and
got an Atari 400. Meanwhile, my school got Apple II+ and Commodore 64's. I 
learned how to use them all, and got my first exposure to programming them all
in BASIC. Am I sad that they went away and I am "stuck" with my IIsi now? 
HELL NO!!! That's progress! I enjoyed using these machines while they were in
their prime, but face it, they are now archaic, outdated dinosaurs! My dad 
actually still has the Atari 800 we upgraded to after a year or so with the
400. He actually still uses it for word processing and a spreadsheet for 
personal uses. When I (seldom) go back to Massachusetts to visit I spend hours
playing games on that Atari 800, and hardly get any sleep. But hey, progress is
progress, and I don't regret any of it. One thing, though. If those Apple II
people are feeling betrayed by Apple, I have a question. Did they just buy 
their Apple II in the last two or three years? If so, then what they are
feeling is angry at themselves for being so BLIND that they bought an old,
hardly-supported-at-all-anymore design from yesteryear. What I can't believe
is that Apple still sold them by the thousands to school districts and such. I
think that Apple should have stopped selling them a LONG time ago, and got
people to make the change to the mac. Then maybe so many people wouldn't be
feeling betrayed right now. But like I said, if you bought your machine 12
years ago then YOU GOT YOUR MONEY'S WORTH, now MOVE ON!

-Seth

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Distribution: world
From: Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:44:43 EST
Subject: Mac ][vx/MIDI

I have really liked the ][vx and I still do, for the money the ][vx is a great
deal but.....  I have been defending the ][vx since the 19th, I even posted a
message as to why the ][vx was a better choice (in my situation) over the ][ci.
 Well, I have changed my order to a ][ci (it's too bad, I was really looking
forward to the photo CD compatibility and the improved graphics).  Here is a
very brief description of why.  I am a musician and Iuse my Mac primarily for
MIDI applications.  I have recently discovered that the ][vx has problems with
the serial ports and MIDI.  A computer that has problems with MIDI for my
needs is useless.  You would think that Apple would have paid more attention
to the use of MIDI on the ][vx considering it is the new "Multimedia
Macintosh".  Apple .... you goofed.  I understand there will be fixes for the
problem but no time frame has been given.  I will post my findings once I am
through gathering infomation on the subject for those who are interested.
     Stay tuned,  Joe Ciarcia
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From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 30 MHz IIsi ?!
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:01:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University

In article <3924@master.CNA.TEK.COM> florianb@chip.tek.com () writes:
>I just installed a 59.4 MHz crystal in my IIsi, using a socket. There
>is a noticeable difference in speed between this crystal and the 50 MHz.
>
>I tried running several programs including MathCAD, which was
>delightfully faster, performing nearly as well as on my IIfx. Other
>programs ran without difficulty.
>
>Using Speedometer 3.1, I got one "Application unexpectedly quit" when
>doing the 8-bit color test. I ran it several times again and it did
>not quit.
>
>I will continue to use the 59.4 MHz Xtal and post a note if I find
>any other hiccups.
>
>More later.

I must say, all you 25Mhz si people have me eying the clock chip on my
25 Mhz 040 NeXT Cube. Hell, It's already got a big old heat sink and a
really big fan (needed to cool the optical drive which I have since removed).

I'm going to have a hell of a time keeping myself away from the soldering iron.


Jon

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From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: LC II to VGA Questions
Summary: Questions about connecting LC II to VGA Monitor
Keywords: LC Video VGA Macintosh
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:38:00 GMT

A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing an LC II and I'm suggesting
the possibility of saving $ by purchasing a VGA monitor. The LC II would
have the enhanced VRAM. Here's the costs:

Apple 12" Monochrome   $186
Apple 14" Color        $478

VGA Monochrome    $115       paperwhite, non-interlaced
VGA Color         $250-$340  up to .28 dot pitch, NI, 1024x768

I do have several questions:

If you connect an LC II to a monochrome VGA monitor, does the system
display 256 shades of grey?

Does one have to purchase a multisync monitor or will a standard VGA
monitor do? 

I assume that a .28 dot pitch and non-interlaced video
are the essential requirements. Is anything else of interest?

MAG Innovision and Sony are two monitors I have considered. Any other
suggestions?

Thanks in advance,   Paul

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Trouble with E-Machines T16-2 color Monitors
Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:06:23 GMT

We recently had 2 of 3 Apple 21" color monitors show up with defects.  
I've had 2 of 2 Apple 13" color monitors in my office develop defects.  
Our department has had one E-machines T16 monitor out of about 6 or so 
develop a defect shortly after arrival, and one E-machines video card out
of about 4.  But we have also had a high rate of hard disk failures
in some batches, various motherboard problems, lots of ethernet
card problems, etc.  I don't think E-machines has any more 
problem than other hardware makers, and my experience with their
service/replacement group has been good.

- Don
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Subject: Re: Workstation from Apple, any time soon?
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:42:22 GMT

+ In article <macwhiz.720889008@gawain.cif.rochester.edu>  
(comp.sys.mac.hardware), macwhiz@cif.rochester.edu (Rob Levandowski) writes:
+ > In <1992Nov2.214841.2010@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
+ > 
+ > >Is Apple going to put out some workstations any time soon?  I mean  
something
+ > >like the Silicon Graphics Indigo, or IBM 6000.
+ > 
+ > >I really wish they do, and as soon as possible!
+ > 
+ > According to the November BYTE, they already do... the BYTE Labs have
+ > decided that the Quadra 950 is a better personal workstation than either
+ > the Iris Indigo or the IBM RS/6000 Powerstation/350.

*cough*cough* *Bogasity alert*

I saw that comparison (we're an SGI/NeXT/Mac place), and the Indigo they
used was severely hampered by 16mb of memory - lots of swapping. Be
careful of what you read - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

James
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From: alanb@well.sf.ca.us (Alan R. Bleier)
Subject: tapes > 40 MBytes in Apple SCSI tape drive?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:07:09 GMT


I bought a used Apple SCSI tape drive.  It came without documentation but it
was easy to figure out how to use it.

My only question is: do I have to use a 40 MByte tape (DC2000) or can I use
tapes that hold more, such as DC 2120's?

Alan Bleier
alanb@well.sf.ca.us
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Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:05:36 PST
Subject: Re: Sony CPD-1302 (and CPD-1604S 17") multisync monitor ?

I actually did have a typo in my last post, but I am not the guy who has been
confusing them.  I have a 1320.  Someone else earlier called it a 1302, to
which I posted a correction.  My last post did have a typo though -- sorry.

-David

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Distribution: world
From: Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:10:48 EST
Subject: Re: IIvx Keyboard Strangeness

Tony, 

------------------
Disclaimer
I ain't no lawyer
------------------

I use to work in sales and we were told to tell customers that they could not
return merchandise under any circumstances.  We even had signs up that said you
couldn't get your money back.  We would give credit and exchange merchandise
but we were told.... all sales are final.  Well turns out that this is illegal
in NH.  I'd check the laws in your state and see what they have to say.  At
the very least you should be able to exchange a product if you are not
satisfied.  If they don't do at least that, and the law is on your side take
em' to court.  Joe
-------------------
Disclaimer
again .... I'm not a lawyer so don't quote me.
-------------------

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From: cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Low Power 040?
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:53:35 GMT

Can anyone verify a low power 68040 rumor?  

I hear Moto is developing one, but I have no idea how it achieves  
"low power" and I don't know when it's supposed to come out, if at  
all.

Thanks,

-Chuck
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From: hardin@dino.mcc.com (John Hardin)
Subject: DEC SCSI-2 disks from Saturae?
Organization: MCC ISD, Austin, Texas
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:05:06 GMT

I'm contemplating buying a 1GB 3.5" DEC(?) SCSI-2 disk from a
mail-order company called Saturae (1-800-728-8723; located in
Cambridge, MA).  I have two basic questions:

1.  Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with this
    particular drive (it's from Saturae's "Edge" line)?  (Or are there
    *other* drives in this size/price/performance range that are
    recommended?)

2. Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with Saturae?


Thanks in advance for any and all information!

-jwh
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From: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: What comes with the Duos?
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:33:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1en1gbINN2ak@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bk146@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd Sternisha) writes:
>
>In a previous article, wang_dj@zebra.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang) says:
>
>>
>>OK, here comes a pretty stupid question, but nonetheless, since I don't know,
>>and I need to know, I'll ask it ...
>>
>>What exactly is comes with the powerbook (in the way of power)?
>>	From what I understand, a battery and a power adapter (what kind?) are
>>included. What exactly, then, is the function of the AC adapter? This is what
>>confuses me the most.
>> ...
>>David Wang
>>wang_dj@server.cs.jhu.edu
>>
>>
> ...
>Clarification: In reference to my battery charger blather, I 
>meant that the charger doesn't come with an AC adapter; you have 
>to buy one or use the one that came with the Duo.
>
>-- 
>Love and kisses,
>Todd Sternisha (bk146)
>AKA Rac Shade, cosysop of the Barnyard (561-2811), the Sacrificial Lamb
>(442-8207) and the Wolf's Den (528-0321) 







Clarification from a DUO-in-law (ie my wife has a 210, but my 230 is on
"6-8 week" back-order):


It is true that, as with the previous powerbooks, the external battery 
charger does not come with its own ac adapter.


However, with the 100/140/145/160/170/180 this was a real limitation, as
you could not simultaneously use the one AC adapter both with the
powerbook and the external charger.  In contrast, with the DUO's
the charger attaches to the AC adapter in such a way that you can 
still have the DUO attached and working.

I gather that the setup is designed so that the DUO and its battery get
priority access to energy, the charger is secondary.

Josh Hodas

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From: okamoto@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Okamoto)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:16:14 GMT
Subject: Re: DeskWriter Questions
Organization: An-Pan Man Headquarters
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware

scott68@.cs.pitt.edu.cs.pitt.edu (Scott Ball) asks:

> 1- Can the DeskWriter only print its internal fonts or that of a
> cartridge?  In other words can it print fonts that I have on my mac
> (bitmapped, TrueType, and PostScript)?

The DW can print bitmapped fonts and TrueType fonts on its own, and can print
PostScript fonts if you have something like ATM or Freedom of the Press.

> 2- How is the print quality in comparison to a laser printer?
> 3- What type of paper should I use?

It really depends on the paper you use.  You want paper that doesn't let
the ink spread.
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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: VCR to Mac?
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:16:13 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <laug.721891118@sfu.ca> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), laug@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher Lau) writes:
> 
>    I was at a computer show a while ago and saw a VCR hooked up to a PC which
> was displaying the movie that was being running in the VCR. I was amazed at
> the editing capabilities that the program in the PC could do to capture the
> pictures from the movie. Can this same procedure be done on a Macintosh?
> What sort of software and hardware do I need if this can be done?

There are a number of boards for the Mac that do this.  I have a Video
Spigot that does a nice job of capturing video and saving it as a
QuickTime movie.  It also does a very nice job of capturing still
images for a solidly frozen video source.

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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: PB160 Q's
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.015158.116691@bmug.org> David_A._Schnider@bmug.org writes:
>I have two questions:
>1)Does putting new memory in a PB160 violate the warranty?

Can't answer this one, better ask Apple.

>2)Can you daisy chain SCSI devices on a PB160?

Yes!  Just like other Macs.  You will have to get the special SCSI
cable for the PowerBooks (called the "system" SCSI cable.) There's
another SCSI cable, called an "adaptor" which causes the internal hard
disk on the PowerBook to appear as an external SCSI when plugged into
another Mac's SCSI chain.  Makes back-ups to my SyQuest 88R really
fly!  :-)

Chuck
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From: tvasi@shakti.bio.uci.edu (Taha K. Vasi)
Subject: Apple 21" display...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Reply-To: tvasi@shakti.bio.uci.edu (Taha K. Vasi)
Organization: UC Irvine
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:44:36 GMT

Hi fellow netters,
	I have a small question about my Apple 21" display.  I have it hooked
up to a Quadra 700.  I was told that I could only get 256 colors from the 
inbuilt video.  The Quadra comes with 1/2 meg VRAM, and has 6 more slots to 
give me a total of 2 meg of VRAM. I have upgraded VRAM to 1 meg.  So now I have 256 colors.

	My question is...why does one need to increase VRAM to 2 meg, if 
one does not get any more colors.  Does resolution depend on VRAM? 

				Thanx
				Taha

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From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: ROM chip (SIMM)
Keywords: I Have Seen It !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:40:50 GMT


There it was. Perched on a cheesy piece of plastic that couldn't be 
worth more than $5 (Not the motherboard, that probably cost more than $20).

Is Apple ever going to take advantage of the ROM SIMM arrangement in the 
Mac II class machine ? If they did, would that be an advantage over the 
software emulatiuon Mode 32 ? Does this INIT conflict with anything as 
all Inits I've ever seen do ? Is it slower than the real hardware clean
ROM ?

Once Apple finishes selling everything it has to IBM, perhaps someone can
produce the 32-bit clean ROM on a chip and charge an unrealistically high
price for it :)

E-mail me:
jgraham@bio.indiana.edu (Jim)
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Confusion with Monitors
Keywords: lc, monitors
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov16.173033.9364@athena.mit.edu> crispy@space.mit.edu (Chris  
Pak) writes:
> 
> I am looking for a non-apple color monitor for LC II or IIsi?  The monitors  
made by
> Apple are simply -------------------------------------
> Christopher S. Pak
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> Center for Space Research
> 37-662c
> 77 Massachusetts Ave.
> Cambridge, MA 02139
> (617)253-9342
> too expensive. Any suggestion? I cannot go over $500.
> 
> 
> Thanks,

	The Sony CPD-1304 is a excellent Trinitron display which is quite  
cheap. It is almost as nice looking as the PerformaDisplay +, though it isn't  
auto-synchronous. As long as you don't want to use it with other computers,  
it's the hands down choice and usually sells for a very low price (compared to  
Apple displays or the CPD-1320). If this is still out of you budget, buy a VGA  
adapter (or you may not need one with an LC) and look through a PC magazine for  
a cheap PC display (though I wouldn't purchase anything with less than .28mm  
dot pitch). The IIsi cannot use this monitor, so look at a MacWorld review of  
13" monitors, or go with the VGA option.

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From: breck@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Liam Breck)
Subject: Re: VGA -> MAC LC II
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:07:07 GMT

spyvej@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (S91) writes:
> Could anyone give me the relevant information
> regarding the connection of a PC vga monitor
> to my MAC LCII.

You can get an adapter from J&R Musicworld in NY for about $15. It's
called the Sony TMac, I think.  I've heard that not all VGA monitors
work, just the better ones (Sony CPD 1320, for example).  Consult 800
Information for J&R's number (1-800-555-1212).
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