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From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Break-in & oil changes
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:27:43 GMT

moofster@world.std.com (A Happy Dog-Cow) writes:
BBB
>I have my new Sentra SE-R, and I *****LOVE***** it.  I just can hardly wait to 
>get out BREAK-IN!!!  Speaking of which: the dealer says I should change the oil
>at 3500 miles, but my personal feeling on this is to get it changed by 1000 at
>the latest.  I want to really tenderly baby this car, and make sure it gets off
>to a good start.... (Though in a fit of indiscretion, I had the car doing 100
>down Route 128 for a few minutes!!! yikes).  I now use Cruise control
>religiously to prevent such infidelities.

SOme folks say a couple sprints are the best you can do for break-in.
Constant speed/load is badness. Don't shrug off what the dealer said too quick.
Sometimes cars are filled with "break-in" oil. DO what ever the book says.
A
>Any opinions?
>Also: what about brakes?  On my motorcycle I'm used to "breaking in" my brakes
>by mildly overheating them (soft Ferodos) to "cook" the binding resins or
>whatever out of them.  This is probably unnecessary and/or bad for the semi-
>metallics in my car, right?

>Another question: looking for a wideband radar detector, prefereably 
>remote, but not if it compromises performance of the unit.  Are Escorts still
>the top dog?

I forget the name but the "best" detector is not the by Cincinati-Microwave.
But by the guy that helped design them. He started another company and his
new detector is incredible. I forget the name (look in any car mag.). But
it tells you what direction the signal was found and how many !!! Not to
mention great package and specs. $300.00 mail order. I don't have one yet
but I am drooling over one :-).

>(Please email direct responses to these questions to moofster@world.std.com)
>Thanks,
>Robert
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:21:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.155432.21223@mtu.edu> vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:
>
>  GM also has several SOHC engines (the cavalier engine lineup from '84 to 
>  present comes to mind).  In fact, I am of the understanding that
>  most 4-cyllinder engines of any make are over-head cam, or in-head cam
>  (such as the Ford Escort).  Pushrod engines are usually only found in 
>  the V configuration, and then because that cyllinder configuration gives
>  a convienient place for one cam to actuate both sets of valves.

GM just retired the "Iron Duke" pushrod four cylinder, which had its origins
in the first Chevy inline six (I'm pretty sure), which was brought to market
shortly after the discovery of fire (1926 or something).

Tim Gardner
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Crash Test Info & Saturn Test Score Controversy
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:13:51 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1iqnspINNi7v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>I just got my copy of the NHTSA report.  The report was generated in
>August of 1992 and covers model years 1988-92.  ...
>...
>But back to my original query before the above ramblings, what was the
>controversy over the Saturn's crash ratings?

The Saturn was the first to use the newer type of dummy (with more exhaustive
injury studies), for which the raw numerical scores are not comparable to raw 
scores for the older dummy.  Therefore, mixing raw scores from different 
dummy types in the same report is meaningless -- it's analogous to comparing 
EPA ratings of cars where one car was driven uphill on a 5% grade...


--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

"The mist clung to the mountain the same way a thirteen-year-old girl clings
 to her boyfriend, although the mountain wasn't thinking about "getting lucky."
                                 (1990 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest entry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Opinions: 4runner, Explorer and Pathfinder
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:05:51 GMT

In article <2481@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
>	"[In the Jeep Grand Cherokee] ... you lose a significant amount
>	of space with a full-size spare tire."
>
>You sure do.  I'm not in the market for a sport-ute, but if I were, it
>would be for on-road use only, and I would consider driving without the
>spare.  Perhaps one of those new tires that will go 50 miles after
>blowing out would be of use here?

The full size spare is really a misnomer.  The spare is standard diameter, but
not standard width.  It looks like it is about 1/2 the width of the standard
tires.  While it does take up some room, I don't think it is significant for
everyday operations.  

I just took delivery of a 5.2L V8 Grand Cherokee today. 
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: LH: Should I or Shouldn't I?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:16:29 GMT

In article <2477@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:

>... but, when you literally risk your children's lives with the purchase
>decision....

Oh jeesus! If they die (and did you mean blonde daughters- all the commercials
seem to have them, no boys), you do too. Just like them stupid Michelin
commercials- I guess the drivers don't care if they die, just *save the kids*!

Think of yourself, cuz when it all comes down to it, rule #1 states ain't no-
body's life more important than your own.

	-Kenny

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,ny.wanted,nj.wanted,misc.wanted,bcr.wanted
From: dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com (lee,danny)
Subject: *** LOOKING FOR A USED CAR ***
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:42:51 GMT

Still looking for a used car.  Must have automatic transmission.  Preferably
'90 & above.  Exceptional '87s, '88s, & '89s considered.  Looking for
foreign/domestic models with preferences to :
   - Ford Taurus ('90 & above)
   - Mercury Sable ('90 & above)
   - Chevy Lumina ('90 & above)
   - Honda Accord, Civic ('90 & above)
   - Acura Integra, Legend
   - Mazda 929
   - Nissan Sentra ('90 & above), Stanza ('90 & above), Maxima
   - Toyota Tercel ('90 & above), Cressida, Camry
Please e-mail to dml7@cc.bellcore.com (or press 'R' / 'r').  Please indicate :
   - Year
   - Make
   - Mileage
   - Exterior, interior, & mechanical condition
   - Reason for selling
   - As much features as possible
Located in Brooklyn, New York City, New York.

  ________/----------------------/______
 / Danny / dml7@cc.bellcore.com / 1993 /
/_______/----------------------/______/
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rmoises@rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Roger Moises)
Subject: Re: Bill Gates 959 for sale?
Reply-To: rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:04:29 GMT

In article 21483@pencom.com, stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) writes:
>I thought I'd start a rumor...
>
>I saw an ad in Autoweek for a 959 for sale in California in the 408 area code.  
>(I realize Gates is in Washington), but it looks suspicious to me.  Isn't the  
>rumour that Bill Gates has his 959 in some customs warehouse in California?
>
>--
>  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
>"Racing is life. Whatever happens before or after is just waiting."
>                                         --Steve McQueen in Le Mans

  Maybe it belongs to Bruce Canepa, who is based in Santa Cruz, CA. Back in 
'88 I had the privilige of snapping photos of a white 959 (959S?) in Canepa's
back lot (I was a UC Santa Cruz student at the time). The customs warehouse
that you mention is in Oakland (415/510 area code)...


-------------------------------------
Roger T. Moises - UNIX System Manager
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc. Palo Alto, CA
e-mail: moises@lmsc.lockheed.com, rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Crash Test Info & Saturn Test Score Controversy
From: dwsmall@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Derek 'Enzo' Small)
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:33:15 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

suff deleted
> 
>      2.  In crashes which occur on roadways, occupants are exposed to
>          a greater risk of injury in lighter vehicles than they are
>          in heavier vehicles.  Therefore, test results are meaningful
>          only for comparing vehicles within an approximate weight
>          range of 500 pounds.

I don't know who came up with this but it is simpley not true.  

  Occupants are at greater risk of injury in crashes inwhich the vehicle
speeds are farthest from the design impact speed.  Typically smaller, 
lighter cars have now frame to speak of.  Instead they use an energy
absorbing shell formed of sheet metal.  This shell is more easily
deformed than a heavier frame and if designed properly can maintain a
maximum G-force to the occupants for a crash up to the point where the
chassis is over loaded.  If a crash is sustained at higher velocities
and of higher energy than the vehicle was designed to tolerate then the
passengers are at risk.  
  
  The other side of the coin is that heavier, full-frame cars, transfer
higher G-forces to the occupants at lower speed and lower energy crashes.
As velecities increase and the object the car is hitting becomes more
massive the occupants recieve more protection but it's like putting
a person in a crash cage that can withstand 20 G's then dropping him
onto concrete.  Even if the cage holds together he is likely going to die
from the experience.  

  Since most accidents happen around 35 miles per hour the occupants are 
less likely to be injured in an energy absorbing "light" vehicle than 
a heavier one.

-- 
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* Derek "Enzo" Small                   [san.dwsmall]@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu    *
*                                      Miami University, Oxford, Ohio 45056   *
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*   Long live Enzo Ferrari  !!!!!!!!                                          *
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*   May his lagacy nor his cars ever collect dust.                            *
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn Do It Yourself Mtce.
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1ihc7rINNim1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>
>
>Also, I understand the car has "lifetime" lube fittings.  How
>does Saturn define lifetime.  I take it that "permanent" fittings
>mean no Zerks or lubrication nipples for the old grease gun.  That 
>whole concept bothers me a little, because even grease gets dirty/gritty/
>abrasive and evaporates a bit over time.  Any comments?
>
   Most cars for the past several years have "lifetime" chassis
   lubrication.  It really means there are no fittings.  I haven't
   had any problems with any lifetime lubed cars (german, japan, swedish
   and us models) with well over 100K miles on any one of them, but
   your point is worth consideration.  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:

>4. A portion of the profits from every car will be paid to car magazine 
>   writers in the form of "consultation fees" to insure that they will
>   ignore any flaws in the Saturn, inflate performance figures, and 
>   create a big hoopla about any minor problem with cars built by
>   other companies. 

I've never heard of these "consultation fees," where can I find out more?
In any event, why couldn't any other offshore car companies pay similar
alleged consultation fees, thereby eliminating any advantage?  Or if the
offshore companies refuse to pay on moral grounds, why don't they trumpet
the fact, thereby gaining their own advantage?

In reality, most car enthusiast magazines will never really damn any model
they test- rather, "all cars today are outstanding."  The consumer magazines...
I can't figure out where they're coming from.

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: djanzen@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Montgomery Janzen)
Subject: '85 Corolla Horn
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:12:41 GMT


Hi! Thanks to all of you who have helped me so far. Now, I've reached the next delema, how to test the horn, short of rewiring it to the battery.  If it is the horn that is shot, what could have broken inside the assembly?  Is there anything that can be fixed?  I have test the wires for shorts, and power is getting to the horn (when the button is pressed:).  Are there any other reasons why it might not work?  All fuses are fine, the flashers, which are wired through the same junction in the fuse box work. 



 HELP!!

Thanks again,
Derek Janzen
djanzen@sfu.ca
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: v8 Fiero Info Wanted!
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:16:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Could the person who recently posted his experiences with a v8 Fiero
please email me?  I'm interested in this and would like some
info/talk with anywone who has already done this.  Thanks

Adam Edwards
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mini-van or utility vehicle...4WD vs gas mileage
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:33:34 GMT

Just to clarify:

4WD versus all wheel drive.

Normal cars FWD or RWD are really 1 wheel drive (power to 2).
Most (not all) 4WD trucks and utilities are really 2 wheel drive (power to 4).
Most ALL wheel drives are also 1 wheel drive (power to 4).
Most ALL wheel drives offer locking differentials that make them
   really 2 wheel or really 3 wheel drive.

When i say "really" I mean that if you put the car on ice and chained
it down only that many wheels will "really" turn.

In order to "really" turn more than one wheel they have to "locked"
together. Locking them together is only good at low speeds (unless
it's computerized).

The reason I'm telling you all of this that most "4WD" should be OFF
on the highway because 2 Wheels are locked together which is unsafe
and can break the 4WD system. Also when ever any wheels are locked
together this defeats ABS if equiped and is now even more unsafe.

Even though ALL wheel drives assures only one wheel to spin if all are on
slippery conditions they tend to not "slip" in the first place because
they all have "power". All wheel drive does eat a bit at the gas because
you are "turning" about 3 times the about of hardware.

Jeep offers both 4WD and AWD (Select trac I think they call it)
AUDI's are not 4WD they are AWD.
Most Pickups are 4WD
Most Minivans are AWD (I think that's true today).
GMC Blazer is only 4WD (I think)
Subaru has AWD and (4WD I think).

If you want to be "safe" on highway buy good Snows and ABS.
If you don't want to get Stuck get snows and 4WD.
If you want to be a tad more "safe" on highway add AWD.
If you want everything get computerized locking AWD or computerized
  breaking (Audi and Mercedes are the only two I know of that offer this)

The point of this note is KNOW what you buying and what it will get you.

Ok techies, you can jump all over this reply now :-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjmathia@novell.com (Robert Mathias)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Taurus tops Accord as #1 Seller in U.S.
Keywords: Maybe it's a case of fleet vs. personal use...
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:00:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1993Jan7.153441.10216@metter.fmpmis.metter.com> virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (P. Virgo) writes:
>
>Anybody else heard about this?? Anybody got numbers to back this up??
>Looking at the past few years of Taurus/Accord battles, the numbers that
>made the difference were usually not that large---and if the Taurus has
>unseated the Accord, it probably wasn't by much this time, either.
>
Honda Accord is still the number 1 seller for the general public.  Remove
Ford's fleet and rental sales, and Honda is still number 1 for the individual
car buyer.  Having just said that, I also happy to see a come back by US
Auto companies.  Whether Ford keeps this leadership will depend upon the
cars they sold this last year.  If they proved to be quality cars, Ford
should have a rosey future since they should get alot of repeat buyers.


Bob Mathias
rjmathia@Novell.com
CSERV: 70340,165
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH: Should I or Shouldn't I?
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

> 
>HERE, HERE, Tom!!  
> 
>It is about time that close-minded, unpatriotic, _EXCLUSIVELY_ 
>import car owners were called what they are!   


I had a Honda Accord, bought new, that was the worse lemon I ever
had.  And it was made in Japan.

When I say that the jury is out on the LH, what on earth does
patriotism have to do with it?

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ryb26@cas.org (Richard A. Ball)
Subject: Re: Saturn Do It Yourself Mtce.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:27:04 GMT

cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:

>You have obviously never owned a mid-eighties Ford Escort with lifetime
>lubed tie-rod ends which require replacement every 30K miles. (At $100
>each unless you do it yourself, I might add.)

When I had the brakes replaced on my '89 Escort, the Midas guy told me the
tie-rod ends frequently go bad because the car was designed with front
tires that are too big.
--
ryb26@cas.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Tricks for cold weather?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:26:17 GMT

In article <2935802182.1.wk00624@psilink.com> "Gary Hopkins" <wk00624@psilink.com> writes:
>>I've unstuck a door lock by blowing into it.  You have to shove your
>>mouth up against the door to get enough pressure.  Yes, this adds
>>humidity to the lock internals, but several breaths are usually enough
>>to get me in.
>>
>>  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>>                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
>
>This technique strikes me as too close to the old story about sticking 
>your tongue (literally) on a pump handle, or whatever below-freezing 
>metallic device of your choice. :)
>

as someone, who as a child did something stupid like that, DITTO

-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: pop-up lights
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:08:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.155939.26088@fcom.cc.utah.edu> bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.033537.6595@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (.) writes:
>>
>>Which was the first production car with pop-up headlights?		  
>
>	Corvettes? 

I believe corvettes had the swing around rather than pop-up - I think it
was datzun z's 

>
>>What are their advantages/disadvantages?
>
>	advantages: looks cool, attracts members of the opposite sex

   WRONG  ......

>                    Increases aerodynamic efficiency slightly
>                    Easy to tell if you've left your lights on
>
>	disadvantages:two more complicated and expensive things that can break.
>	 	    In the winter I keep 'em up all the time 'cause snow and
>			ice can jam 'em.

   sounds like a nuisance to me....B-)

>
>	
>       those new new low profile headlights have pretty much made pop up
>	lights obsolete. But I don't know if they attract members of the 
>	opposite sex any better!
>
>		Brian
>		barkeyb@climate.utah.edu


-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
	  
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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Problems with 10W40 oil?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:40:13 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1ij1f1INNfrp@ub.d.umn.edu> khuber@ub.d.umn.edu (Kevin Huber) writes:

>I have heard rumors from various sources that the use of 10W40 engine oil
>causes (excessive) gumming of engines.  Why would that be?  Are there some
>"bad" additives?  Also, I've heard that this problem doesn't exist _anymore_
>with 10W40.  Weird...

ring-sticking... results from degradation of the viscosity-improving
additive(s)...  can find some more detail, but for now, yes, 10W-40 should be
avoided... use 15W-40 instead...

also -- buy in the convenient 220 quart size, it's cheaper that way... :-)

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: djanzen@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Montgomery Janzen)
Subject: '85 Toyota Corolla
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:41:28 GMT


Hi!  Does anyone out there know where the horn is located on the 1985 Toyota Corolla?  I seem to have a short in the line somewhere, by I can't find the horn to trace the wires!  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Derek Janzen
djanzen@sfu.ca
From: tegan@cup.portal.com (Terry Michael Egan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Landcruiser locking differentials
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 14:26:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

HI.
	I notice that the '93 Toyota Landcruiser has front and rear
locking differentials ( probably standard in USA ).  I have a '92,
and I have heard that Austrailian versions of this wagon also had
locking diff's.  Can I put these diff's onto my '92 ?

Also, are these diff's worthwhile ?  Do they trash gas mileage ?

Please e-mail responses to  tegan@cup.portal.com

Thanks,
Terry Egan
Newsgroups: rec.autos