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From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:54:24 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug20.162846.6693@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:


>		 You may have just heard of former soviet states thinking of 
>
>
>Asim Mughal


Why are the former Soviet states thinking of Asim Mushal?

---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: Aga Khan III
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:43:14 GMT

Mother of Prince Karim Aga Khan was Rita Hayworth.  Prince Karim is the 49th
imam.

Kamal [Not Isma'ili] Mubarak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives (SHE LOVES ME, YEAH YEAH YEAH)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:39:33 GMT


A useful point to note as pointed out by Marmaduke Pikthal [sp?]
in his translation of the Quran, "The Glorious Koran",
is that in Islam one wife is the ideal but four wives are the
concession made to sexuality.  In Christianity, by comparison,
celibacy is the ideal but one wife is the concession made to 
sexuality. Islam attempts not to deny human sexuality, but to have
multiple wives one must satisfy many restrictions. Somebody more
knowledgeable may post these.

Usman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmad@seas.gwu.edu (Aftab Ahmad)
Subject: Squash Tournament
Originator: ahmad@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: dc
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:23:22 GMT


	Pakistan Squash Club will be holding 1992 summer
	competition at the George Washington University
	starting from the second week of September.

	Interested players should contact Qaiser Durrani
	at (202) 872-0783 (email durrani@seas.gwu.edu)
	or myself at (301) 459-4366 (email ahmad@seas.gwu.edu)
	ASAP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Islam and gays
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:34:11 GMT

[article deleted but rememberred well]

I can not believe what I just read. I'm going to throw up.

zafar
From: 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Correction for posting# 18845
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:09:19 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

This is a correction to the posting no. 18845(pakistan ka matlub kaya????).
The figures indicated about muslim population of India and Pakistan were wrong.
Please note the following corrections:
	
	The muslim population of India was 140 million( approx.) and the
population of Pakistan was 70 million. 
	
	The point I was trying to make was that the partition of India did not
leave up to its expectations. The idea of separating Hindus and Muslims was a
flop. More than half the muslim population of India still remain under 
dominance of Hindus. 
	
	I pray that the blunder I made about the number of muslims in India and 
Pakistan might become a  reality in future.(AMEN).

Tariq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: chaudhry@elbe.engin.umich.edu (Iblees)
Subject: Re: Need comments about latest indian movies
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 15:22:44 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chaudhry@elbe.engin.umich.edu


> We must be very careful about indian muslims because many of them may not be
> muslims at all but they use muslim names and post such articles that muslims
> may fight against each other. We have few of them around here too.
> --
> 
>                           o=====================o
>                           |  QASIM HUSSAIN SHAH |    
>                           |  TOYOHASHI    JAPAN | 
>                           o=====================o
> 
> =================================================
> FARD-E-MILLAT RABT QAAIM SE HAI TINHA KUCH NAHIEN
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> MOJ HAI DARYA MEIN AUR BEROON-E-DARYA KUCH NAHIEN
> =================================================

It is so good to know that we have got some people on the net, like Mr Q.H.Shah, 
who can see through the evil designs of nefarious Indian agents. These agents
"use muslim names and post articles that muslims may fight against each other". 
But unfortunately Mr Shah, the custodian of faith and country, does not give us 
any hints on how we can recognise them. They have Muslim names so we cannot tell 
from that. They may even use verses by *our* national poet, Allama Iqbal, in 
their sigs to further deceive us. 

But wait!!! If we are vigilant we can identify them. Even if they use Iqbal's 
verses, they end up mixing up the words so as to make the verse(s) meaningless. 
;-) ;-)


Nauman [ evil Ibleesi agent ] Chaudhry

PS :-) :-)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

According to Christianity [ Islam and some other religions ] God " is supposed
to be a revengful tyrant, delighting in cruelty,  punishing his creatures for
the very sins which he causes them to commit; and creating numberless millions
of immortal souls, that could never have offended him, for the express purpose
of tormenting them to all eternity"
From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Protest! Protest! Protest!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:19:45 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

    The international students at PennState will be holding a protest against
the university's health insurance policy. The protest is dated August 17th,
Monday, in front of the HUB(hertzel Union Building) and the Old Main.
    PennState requires all international students came after fall,1990 to
buy insurance for themself and their dependents. The insurance should be the
MEGA plan provided by this school or other insurance that meet the waiver
standards. The waiver standards were set very strict so that international
students have no choice but to buy MEGA because any insurance that meet all
the waiver standards will be much more expensive than MEGA. The MEGA cost
about $500 a year for the student but $1778 for the student spouse and $800
for a child. If the  international student has assistantship, the school pays
%80 of the insurance for the student, but not for spouses and children.
MEGA doesn't provide good coverage for illnesses though it's so expensive.
    American students are not required to buy insurance for their dependents,
but they can choose to buy MEGA for their dependents if they want. So when
their wifes are going to have a baby. they may spend a few hundred dollars
to buy MEGA for their wifes for only one semester, and enjoy the maternity
coverage. The cost, certainly, will be imposed on international students who
are forced to buy MEGA even there's a lot of unwanted coverages like the
maternity coverages for their husbands and children!
From: 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Sorry for 18695 mistake
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:32:32 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

sorry 18699 is a reply to 18627 not to 18695.  Any inconveinience is regretted.
From: 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: REMNANTS of BRITISH rule
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:23:46 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Recently I noticed that some messages have been posted on the net which deal
with our freedom fighters.

I was very happy to note that there still are people who remember the agony and
the joy of our freedom fighters.  It is a very good idea to mention and keep
alive what these people have done for us.  But in the zeal and passion  of
rememberance we forgot to remember and deliver our duties.  These people have
struggled and some of them died to see  the people of Pakistan free. And just
when we thought that we were free we find ourselves enslaved by yet another
class. These new Masters are not really new infact they are the  remnants of the
privileged class during the British rule.

These are the people who betrayed their own countrymen and strongly opposed
the establishment of a new Muslim nation.  When Pakistan was formed we thought
that we had got rid of this privileged class.  But it was not long before it
dawned on us that we are still catering to the desires of these traitors.  Or
simply we are still slaves, only that our masters have been replaced.  Today we
read about the great men and women who fought and shed blood for an ISLAMIC
society where there would be no slaves or masters, where there would be no
discriminator or discriminated, where there would be no oppressor or suppressed
and where there would be no injustice. 

We seem to have no trouble what so ever remembering names and memorizing stories
of our Martyrs, but we are extremly hypocritical about their preachings. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-)
Keywords: duke duke duke, duke-ah-duke
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:16:21 GMT

shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:

>In the early eighties, Duke's Fuqua school of business and the
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                        overrated.
>law school both began to emerge as nationally-ranked programs,
>and are consistently placed in the bottom half of the top ten
>in their field (US News). 

Fuqua's climb in rankings is undeserved. IMAO

What about the Islamic Studies program under Professor (Brother) Cornell?

-hd
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Why so much discussion of Islam (was: Mild warning)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:23:21 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug13.202831.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>I dont understand either.  It seems to me that the readership of SCP
>is obssessed with discussing Islam in its varied forms and sects and
>how it is superior to other religions.  What amazes me even more is 
>how so many of you are always ready with the right hadith or koranic 
>text to solve matters.  I'll have to discuss this with my parents
>because my Islamic education pales in comparison. 

After the demise of socialism (irrespective of some diehards beating
about the bush), and the apparent weakness of secualrism and
capitalism to deal with the problems of drugs, broken families,
adultery, etc., the world is yearning to find a new solution.
It is fascinating to see a Quranic verse solving the problem of
drinking and alcoholism and adultery so simply that hundreds of
millions avoid that without much ado. The virtual admission of
defeat by other religions in succumbing to the onslaught of
secularims and voluntarily withrdrawing them to the confines
of personal life, leaves only one challenger on the world stage
__ Islam.

These debates are not only rethinking, restating and reapplying
the principles of Quran (forgotten on shelves for so long) but are also
helping and aiding its advent as the "only" solution.

These debates are a testimony to the urgency and need for a new
solution for the 21st century. Rest assure that all of you
who are involved in these debates (for or against) are in fact
shaping history.
From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: Died: Abul Qasim Al-Khoei
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 05:58:46 GMT

Abul Qasim Al-Khoei, an eminent scholar of Islam, died at Kufa on
Saturday August 8, 1992 aged 92. Not willing to be drawn into
day-to-day politics, he envisaged the role of jurists and
teachers as preserving religion and succouring the Muslim
community in its spiritual life and social welfare. His legacy
lies in his charitable foundations and his writings. 

A towering figure in scholarship, as teacher, textual editor and
exegete, he wrote some 90 books that cover law, religious
biography, philosophy, and Quranic commentary. He established a
charitable trust, The Al-Khoei Foundation which implements
educational, religious and cultural projects with schools in
London, Bombay, Karachi, and New York, in addition to those in
Iraq, Iran and Labanon. He founded an orphanage and food
distribution schemes in Beirut and organised aid for war victims
in Afghanistan. The trust also provided monetary support to the
needy after natural disasters in Bangladesh, India, and Iran. In
India the Al-Khoei trust has provided wells and drinking water
for villages, housing projects, schools, and mobile and permanent
clinics. 

He was under house arrest at the time of his death and was buried
unceremoniously before dawn the following day with only six
family members and friends allowed to attend the burial. 

Note: The above is derived from the obituary written by Michael 
Wood that was published in The Guardian, London (13th August, 
1992). May Allah bestow His peace and mercy on the departed soul.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Gallery of Freedom Fighters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.024228.25671@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes...
> 
> 
>		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
>		===========================
> 
>	Pakistan International Airlines( PIA) published 
>a diary on The Golden Jubilee celeberation of Pakistan Resolution
>in 1990. Along with lots of stuff on the history of Pakistan Movement,
>it also contained profiles of some of the freedom fighters.
>I hope to post these articles on S.C.P for the benefit of its
>readers all over the world.
> 
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland, Ohio.
> 
>P.S. The diary talks about following people,
> 
>	Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Hasan Ali Effendi, Mohsin-ul-mulk Mehdi Ali Khan,
>Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk, Sir Sultan Muhamad Shah( The Aga Khan III),
>Maulana Obaidullah Sindhi,  Maulana Shaukat ALi, Maulana Muhammad Ali( Johar),
>Hakim Ajmal Khan, Navab Salimullah( of Dhaka), Maulana Hasrat Mohani,
>Maulana Zafar Ali Khan, Chaudhary Rahmat Ali( who gave Pakistan its name),
>Dr. Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Maulvi A.K. Fazlul Haq(Sher-e-Bengal),
>Chaudhary Khaliquzzama'n( who was elder brother of famous Dr. Salimuzzama'n
>Siddiqee of Pakistan), Sir Abdullah Haroon, Navab Bahadur Yar Jang,
>Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy, Raja Sahib of Mahmoodabad( Amir Ahmad Khan),
>Khwaja Nazimuddin(2nd Gov. Gen and 2nd Primeminister of Pakistan),
>Navab Muhammad Ismail Khan, Sardar Abdur Rab Nishter, Allama Shabbir Usmani,
>Ms. Fatima Jinnah, Begum Shahnavaz, Lady Haroon, Liaquat Ali Khan,
>and Mohammad Ali Jinnah( Quaid-e-Azam).
> 
>==
> 
    Strange many names missing, i.e. Sir Zafr-ul-ah khan.

Mirza Ilyas
From: r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Above all things (was Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-))
Keywords: duke
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:52:34 PDT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:

> 
> 	   Above all things, I am grateful to the Almighty for bringing
> me to a place where I was able to do honest research, without any
> pressures to submit half-baked papers, or to falsify my results. I
> pray that wherever I go, I will have the freedom to think and speak

I am glad to see this. this "update on SCPians" might have 
looked like senseless debate (and at times leg-pulling) but it was NOT
a waste of time....if that brought a little humility, a little
more decency and change in tone to this forum.
no regrets

> 
>    Salman [I can't make you love me, if you don't] Azhar
> 

c'mon, everyone loves you (and others like you), but sometimes
you make it look like "andhoon mein kana raja" ... I mean,
all this self-praising will be fine and even needed for 
inspiring young students etc IF it was done in a limited 
circle (e.g., some drawing room in Lala Moosa, (near Islamabad),
BUT this forum is read by people from all over the world...and
there are many pakistani lot more "talented" than yourself
{hey, I am not talking about myself - i dont even THINK (because I
dont exist in actuality}....so this is going to DISCREDIT 
pakistani scholars....if they are overly arrogant (in public)

that's my only concern....(now, how do i get off from this soapbox?)



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
r3po@spectrx.saigon.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Subject: Re: Asma Jehangir:Human Right Activist
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:36:23 CDT

In article <78023@ut-emx.uucp> charisma@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes:
	[.. some stuff deleted..]
>
>	It is a pity that there is no longer any Ghazi Alimudin(shaheed)
>in Pakistan to teach such people a lesson. 
>
>
	Why don't you do it?
	Or are you scared you'll get the shaheed prefix?

>
>							Ali Chaudhary.

						--ali.
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: INDIAN FOOD FAIR AT BEAVERTON
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:12:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41251
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering



			INDIA FOOD BAZAAR

	Date: August 15th, Saturday

	Venue: Oregon Graduate Inst.

	Time: 3PM to 8PM

	Free Admission

	Come and taste a variety of Indian food items!

	Direction: Take US 26 West
		   Take the Exit at 185th Ave. Turn Left
		   Take Right at SW Walker Road	
		   Take Left at Compton Dr (Walker Rd. Ends there)
		   OGI is on the left hand side. 
		   Reach the Quadrangle where the Food fair is held. 	
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:13864 soc.culture.bangladesh:4586
From: basu@remus.rutgers.edu (sid-darth vader)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: DUMP THE BIHARIS:THEY DON'T HAVE DAL LAKE
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:05:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Pakistan's outpour of compassion for the "Muslim" cause of
Kashmiris is in sharp contrast to its apathy towards the stranded
Bihari Muslims of Bangladesh. Not only are the Biharis citizens 
of Pakistan but they put their lives on line to aid the Pakistan
army's effort to scuttle the birth of Bangladesh. However today
they are impoverished and landless, and find Pakistan unwilling
to accomodate them.

	The bottom line is that Pakistan could not give a 
flying f**k about Biharis, Kashmiris or the "Muslim cause". Currently
its ruling class is driven by the thought of spending a second
honeymoon with the local belles in the shikaras of Dal Lake.
Kashmiris (like the pro-militant Sikhs and Biharis before them) 
should realise that they are being used and abused and sacrificed by
the goons of Islamabad. It is time they woke up and tackled the
real villain in their lives.
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Request of Information on Video Devices
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:16:05 GMT


  Fellow SCPians,

  A.A.

  I am presently shopping for video equipment usable in Pakistan also.
  A few of us are interested in knowing more on this topic, so with the 
  information from various friends, RV etc. I am stating
  the topics a & b below in which I will appreciate feedback from personal
  experience, or if you know of any other equipment available in Pakistan:

  a)  Video signal converting devices (PAL<->NTSC and vice versa),
      this is for watching a PAL tape on an NTSC TV, or even recording
      the PAL tape playing in this converter device on a NTSC VCR.

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what I know on above <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
  Instant Replay (Florida) 800-749-8779 makes:
     Converta System.......... $1350 - $2359
       Does the conversion between PAL & NTSC
                       drawback: Can read only SP tapes.
				 Two heads etc.

  Panasonic 201-348-9090 makes:
     AG W1 .............. approx. $1800
       Does the conversion between all i.e. PAL NTSC & SECAM.        
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


  b)  "Multi System" equipment (consisting of a multi system VCR and
       a multi system TV), to watch PAL/NTSC video tapes.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what I know on VCRs & TVs <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
  Instant Replay (Florida) 800-749-8779 makes:
     World Traveler 5060 (VCR).......... $650
				          Four Heads and lots.
     
  Panasonic 201-348-9090 makes:
     AG 2600E (VCR).............. approx. $600
     J 22 (VCR) ................. approx. $360 
                                           Outputs in PAL only
     J 700 (VCR) ................ approx. $450
                                           4 heads, 2 speed + 
  
     Hitachi 598(VCR) ........... approx. $500

     SONY VX1 25" (TV) ...........approx. $750
     
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

   

  Please mail me your replies and I will post the summary.


  Regards,


  Yasin.
From: amuh2@bu-pub.bu.edu (muhammad ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:11:46 GMT
Organization: Boston University

sdafdafds
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Pakistan send troops to Somalia via US aircraft ?
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:13:25 GMT

I just heard over CNN that the United States is assisting the deployment 
of Pakistani troops to Somalia this morning.  The update was in the 
form of a "newsflash" so there was not much more info.  Does any one
have some light to shed on this or is this some slip of the tongue 
on CNN's part ?

-- 
Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest 
relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Polyandry in Tibet and Islamic prohibition.
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:07:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.040128.4437@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu 
(Gopal Agrawal) writes...
>In article <1992Aug17.132005.30459@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com 
(Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>........ (deleted) ........ 
>"Is it true that what is NOT permissible in Islam should NOT BE 
>permissible in other cultures too (irrespective of any conditions)??! "
> 
>regards,
>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       

 The above point raised by Gopal has a very interesting and meaningful
 purport. The question could be praphrased differently, but, I am refraining
 myself from doing that. Vissicitudes (sp. ?) of life give rise to multifaced
 situations, one face radically different from the other. The other thing to
 note is that since five fingers are different, do we think that one should
 cap the shorter ones to perform similar functions ? Some people may say, YES,
 but what if someone says NO and wants to stick to his own ideas ? 

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan