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From: nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:00:12 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.213122.28302@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.081656.1@ualr.edu> bproden@ualr.edu writes:
>>>This DOES have to do with Christian music.
>>>
>>>About 11:00 CST I came out of my computer room to check the returns on TV.
>>>I thought I recognized the melody being sung by a choir outside the Old 
>>>State House here in Little Rock.  As I watched the crowd swaying with clasped
>>>hands lifted high, I realized the song was the chorus from Ruff Taff's
>>>"We Will Stand."  But it had been reworded, and I couldn't make out the 
>>>changes they had made.
>> 
>> This ALSO has to do with Christian music.
>> 
>> Yeah, right.
>> 

Misc. Bible and God mocking Deleted.  It didnt need to be repeated.


>> Andy Whitman
>> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>> att!cblpn!ajw  or
>> ajw@cblpn.att.com

Is it Just me, Or did anyone else feel that this is the most offensive
thing you'd seen posted on R.M.C. in a long time?  The last thing
that I remember that upset me that much, was when the satanist posted
here a long time ago. :)


>	You mock God well.  Perhaps you have neglected to remember that 
>"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools* despise 
>wisdom and discipline." (NIV)
>* The Hebrew words rendered fool in Proverbs, and often eslewhere in the 
>Old Testament, denote one who is morally deficient.
>	Perhaps you should remember to encourage and/or correct your brother,
>but to mock both him and God is to tear yourself from salvation.  I agree that
>this is not the best newsgroup to post about this issue.  However, we are 
>brothers in Christ and as such we should not tear asunder the unity of the 
>Church with hate and arrogance.
>	As for your defense against Clinton, at least Bush voiced his aversion
>to the slaughtering of children.  Abortion is murder!
>"Before I formed you in the womb I knew* you, before you were born I set you
>apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." (NIV)
>* or chose 
>	Whether Bush meant what he said or not, at least he proposed a return to
>morality.  However, it seems that today people are less concerned with morality
>and knowing Christ and more concerned with economic worries and things of this 
>earth which will pass away.  The "freedom" to choose to only sin which is all
>this world can offer is not freedom.  True freedom comes from being free from 
>sin and knowing Christ and the wonderful things that He enables us to do 
>through His grace.
>	I say none of this to belittle anyone's opinion, or to boost my own ego.
>Rather, I say this so that you will think of your Christian brothers before you 
>seek to stone them.  We are one in Christ.

Matthew, I could have *not* said it any better, So I wont try to.

Thanks!

Dave Nauman
From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:24:28 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Raymond Suke Flournoy (flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
:   What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
: music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
: went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
: more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.

   Well, a few come to mind.  Try Prism Green (Reunion), Christmas
(Sparrow) or even Crystal Clear Christmas (Modern Art).  Prism Green
contains standard Christmas songs done in new pop arrangments with
several artists providing vocals.  Sparrow's Christmas album is quite
interesting, quite similar to Prism Green, except there's plenty of
styles of music.  Crystal Clear Christmas is an instrumental album.
Relatively old and might be out of print.

   Hope this helps

: --Raymond Flournoy        
: ======================================================================
: flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
: Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
: Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon

Rodney Ho

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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: No Longer Music ?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.074327.9123@eua.ericsson.se> euahbg@eua.ericsson.se (Hans Bengtsson) writes:
>In about a month we will have a band visiting Stockholm 
>called "No Longer Music". From what I have heard they are
>from the Netherlands and they are supposed to be a really
>strong band, delivering the powerful message with force.
>They will also have a seminar about their way of guiding 
>people to Jesus.
>Well, my simple question is does anybody else know about them?
>Have you heard them, what kind of music are they playing?
>Maybe there are some Netherlanders or other knowledgeable people
>out there who can enlighten me on this.
>Thanks in advance
>
>Hans Bengtsson	Hans.Bengtsson@eua.ericsson.se
>Ellemtel Telecommunication Laboratories
>Stockholm
>Sweden
>


I can help you if you can help me...

If you know how to reach Mental Destruction (they are Swedish) please let
me know.. I lost their address and have no way of getting their new CD..

To reach No Longer Music you need to find the address for YWAM (Youth With
a Mission) in Amsterdam who sponsors them.. you can try through my friend
Arjan Nihot of the band Sculpture (Dutch band) at: Chr. Gem. "De
Hoeksteen", t.a.v. Sculpture, p/a W. A. Nihot, P.O. Box 1039, 2410 CA
Bedegraven, The Netherlands...

Hope that helps!

Phil

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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.125832.27549@maths.tcd.ie> pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
>malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>
>>	As for your defense against Clinton, at least Bush voiced his aversion
>>to the slaughtering of children.  Abortion is murder!
>
>Bush voiced his "aversion" to the "slaughtering" of "children" because he
>thought it would get him votes. The hypocritical scumbag was pro-choice
>until he decided he wanted to be Vice-Pres with Reagan, and has to do
>a U-turn.
>
  People are allowed to change their minds.
  I assume that Mr. Bush had a genuine change of heart. The reason, i 
  don't know. 
  Regardless of his motives, Mr. Bush has been while in office staunchly
  pro-life/anti-abortion. "Actions speak louder than words," or something
  like that.

  He vetoed a number of pro-choice legislation, even though the popular
  wisdom was that he would be hurt in the general public by doing so.
  So much for hypocrisy.

>
>I assume Warrior for Christ also ties in with Bush's "return to morality",
>ie the slaughter of 100,00 Iranians. Oh, but of course, they're not white
>foetuses, so they don't count.

   Hmmm. born people count, and unborn people don't?
From: math1rb@jane.uh.edu (92F07486)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Metallica...music....etc...
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: jane.12NOV199211420026
Organization: University of Houston
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One last comment on music with reference to the Metallica (Good or Evil) post
..
  I had a very close friend who went to a different church than I did, and
often he would come back on monday and tell me how his preacher was
preaching against rock and roll. But I never once heard him come back and
tell me about how the preacher preached against drug or alcohol abuse...
   I have heard from people who go to religious high schools about the
drug problems. I expected it where I went to school, but at one of those
schools... 
  Probably one of the best ways a parent may be able to get across to
their child about the hoorors of drug use, is to use the songs written by the
bands who have lost friends due to drug use. I know this is pretty far out
there, but there are certain songs that make me cry every time I hear them
because I knew people just like that....
  A preacher probably is not the best person to speak on drugs anyhow,
have someone who's been through the "hell" of recovery speak about it,
and let the kids ans parents too see.

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From: aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski)
Subject: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:42:13 GMT

My son came home one day and said that the new hot group on the school
bus is Metallica.  He is a seventh grader and goes to a Catholic
grammer school.  Thanks to the threads on this net I passed along
some of the info about Metallica to my son and told him to stick
with Carmen instead. (He likes Carmen very much)  I would not want
to re-kindle the intense discussion that just recently ended, but
any material concerning their religious convictions, music, lyrics,
etc. that I can pass along to other parents would be appreciated.
The old articles are not available any longer.  Rather than tie up
bandwith (unless y'all want to) please e-mail any comments to me on
aeg@vixen.cc.bellcore.com.  Thanks very much       Adam G.
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Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:21:32 EST
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nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman) writes:
> 
> Is it Just me, Or did anyone else feel that this is the most 
> offensive thing you'd seen posted on R.M.C. in a long time?

actually, i thought it quite funny, inciteful an thought-provoking.
God wasn't mocked anywhere, although the silly idea that God is a 
registered Republican got a well-deserved thrashing.

jason

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From: mpa44683@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Wisest Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

darenm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Daren McClearnon) writes:

>Almost ten years ago, I really liked a group called "Vector".  They 
>had two albums that I know of, "Mannequin Virtue" and "Please Stand 
>By".  I have "Please Stand By" on vinyl, but would like to have both 
>(preferrably on CD) if they are still available.

>* Are these guys still around?  
>* Are these old recordings available on CD or are they out of print?  
>* Failing that, are the albums available (new or used)?
>* Recommendations on mail order places (with address & phone numbers) 
>  on where I might be able to obtain same?

>Thanks in advance,

>Daren McClearnon
>darenm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com

Vector put out another album in '89 called Simple Experience. It is an 
incredible ablum that I would highly recommend to Vector fans or those 
who are unfamilar with them. Mannequin Virtue and Please Stand By were put
together and put on a single disc along with at least one bonus remix.
I don't remeber off hand which song is remixed, someone borrowed it, and
has yet to return it.

I'm not sure what they are up to right now. I have heard rumors that they
are working on another album.


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From: rich@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Sybase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Michael W. Smith Tour 1993
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:40:41 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Michael W. Smith
Summary: Tour Dates 
Expires: 
Followup-To: rec.music.christian 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Keywords: Michael Smitty Tour Change 93 

In a previouspost I promised to post any dates for the
Change Your World 93 Tour, as they became available to
me.  The following dates were sent to me, but they are
only for the state of California.

March 26th 1992 - Oakland California - Oakland Arena
March 27th 1992 - Inglewood California - Venue ?????
March 28th 1992 - Davis California - U.C. Davis
March 29th 1992 - San Diego Calfornia - Venue ??????

Sorry I don't know more about the Southern California
dates, but since I live in the North, I guess they 
didn't think I would be all that interested.
Try the Phone Number that I have seem posted here
1-900-7Smitty if you need more specific information.
Tickets have not yet gone on sale for ANY concerts in
California on this tour.

Rich
rich@cats.ucsc.edu
 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 08:05:17 -0500 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Handel's young MESSIAH

The album hasn't been reviewed here recently because it came out about
three years ago.  They revive the tour every year with the latest mostly 
white Christian singers, because it is tremendous PR for all the record
companies and their singers.  There is also a video performance of the 
same which they show on CBN around Christmas every year, interspersed
with commercials for the various artists.

Classical choral excellence was not the goal of this recording, although
it can be found in a few of the solos (Sheila Walsh was trained as an opera
singer, for instance, and does quite well on her number.  I don't remember
if Sandi Patti is to be found on the recording, but she is touring with 
the show this year.)  The proof that they were not looking for excellence
is found in the fact that they even let Phil Driscoll sing.  His trumpet
playing in "The Trumpet Shall Sound" is OK  though.

Steve Timm
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:34:49 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Nov11.125832.27549@maths.tcd.ie> pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
>malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>
>>	As for your defense against Clinton, at least Bush voiced his aversion
>>to the slaughtering of children.  Abortion is murder!
>
>Bush voiced his "aversion" to the "slaughtering" of "children" because he
>thought it would get him votes. The hypocritical scumbag was pro-choice
>until he decided he wanted to be Vice-Pres with Reagan, and has to do
>a U-turn.

First, Mr. Bush did not *decide* to be Vice-President, he was *nominated* to be Vice-President.

Secondly, I doubt that having a different stance on abortion from Pres. Reagan would have affected either election at all.

What was the political motivation for his change?  I can imagine a
candidate switching to pro-choice, because it seems to be a much more
popular position these days, but switching to *oppose* abortion, and
maintaining that position long after Reagan was out of the picture,
despite the growing unpopularity of the position?  I don't see many
advantages to that.  Candidates may change their position on issues for
political reasons, but usually only to *gain* votes, not to *lose*
votes.

More likely, I suspect that through talking with Pres. Reagan (who was
already strongly opposed to abortion) and others, and contemplating the
issue on his own, he finally convinced himself that abortion really is
wrong.  There is no rule that says that once you are in politics, "live
and learn" no longer applies.  Politicians should be able to repent
from what they honestly believe were wrong ideas, like anyone else.


>I assume Warrior for Christ also ties in with Bush's "return to morality",
>ie the slaughter of 100,00 Iranians. Oh, but of course, they're not white
>foetuses, so they don't count.

That's just silly.  I wish I could believe that you just misplaced the
smiley, but somehow I doubt it.
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
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From: n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Geoff Lloyd Burian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there any "progressive" Christian music?
Date: 4 Nov 1992 21:51:00 -0800
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In article <1992Nov4.194326.14110@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:

[..discussion of Steve Taylor deleted..]

>For a first exposure, I recommend a listen to "Svengali" and "Jim
>Morrison's Grave" on the "I Predict 1990" album, which IMHO is by
>far his best, musically and lyrically.  "Drive, He Said" on the
>"On the Fritz" album is fascinating.  For what it's worth, my wife

I would also add that (IMHO) Meltdown is a *classic* album, even if one can't
easily classify it, or anything else by Steve Taylor for that matter.
The whole concept of "classification" is often an over-simplification when it
comes to music.  Listen to it and if you like it, then it is good.

As for Steve Taylor, my personal favourite is "Jenny" (off Meltdown); it's
a sad song but flows very well.  "Over My Dead Body" (is that the title,
or just the chorus(?)-- ok so I haven't listened to it for a while) is
a powerful song with a good story behind it.

Geoff



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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Followup-To: dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:08:29 GMT

	People, people! Let's calm down a little here. Accusing each
other of blasphemy and slander is hardly being "peacemakers", is it?
Jesus prayed for us, saying that the way the world would know that He
was sent by God is if we were one. Brothers should not sling accusations
like this. The Devil accuses us; why should we do his work for him?

	--Denes House (dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu)

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:06:00 GMT

easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes...
>What exactly is 'industrial' music?

That's a good question - and one that people who listen to 'industrial' 
music can never seem to agree on either.
My stab at a fair definition: a type of music based a lot on beats and 
rhythms. Usually synth-based. Typically has a prominant bass-line.
Usually involves some sort of distortion on instruments and/or vocals.
Attitude tends to be agressive to hopeless. 

some 'industrial' bands: Ministry, Front242, Front Line Assembly, Throbbing
Gristle, Einsterstade Neubaten (I can't spell it right...), Skinny Puppy,
Nitzer Ebb, Nine Inch Nails, Blackhouse, and so on and so on. (with the 
exception of Blackhouse (perhaps), these bands are not 'Christian' bands)

Hope that helps.


While on industrial,
I've got the single-release by Under Midnight. Sounds pretty good.
Haven't seen or heard the actual album yet.


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From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: SATAN!
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:54:41 GMT
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twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:
>
> [drivel munched]
>
> OH, PARDON ME.....THIS *ISN'T* 'ALT.DEVIL.MUSIC'????
> 
> seriously, folks (no, calm down, please, stop waving those crosses
> and glaring at me with the evil eye) i was just wondering what the
> reactions were to the new MINISTRY album, PSALM 69: HOW TO SUCCEED
> AND HOW TO SUCK EGGS?

*yawn* yet another "let's see if we can tweak some Christians" off
poser gets on the net...

oh, BTW, the new Ministry sucks. boring pseudo-metal. not nearly
as good as 'The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste' or 'Land of Rape & 
Honey'.

jason

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