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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: LEARNING
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 12:30:39 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Hello Carol,


Do you by any chance know much about disk drive troubles in particular with 1541's (BLUE CHIP drives).  you ee this particular drive sometimes loads programs and directory, but cannot save to disk.

I would appreciate any advice.

thanks
Dennis


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From: Chris.Hime@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Hime)
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Subject: Turbo Pascal
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:27:32 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

  Stan - 
 
I don't have the number off hand, but there is a software developer's BBS in St. Petersburg, FL.  If you are really interested, I can get you the number.  Let me know.
 
                  Chris.....


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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: monitor
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:23:54 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Is this switch inside? where you have to open it?

by the way thanks.

this particular on is a Franklin monochrome green with a 40/80 column switch.

laters
Dennis


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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
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Subject: Re: send it over
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:08:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Well Lew the monitor looked like it had been dropped and there are cracks on the side, and there is only a thin line across the screen like the vertical or something went out.  But we got both packages, we got some programs to work, but like you said it cannot read well.


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From: fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper)
Subject: Re: Electronics Curriculum
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 05:30:43 GMT

Jerry Magorian (Jerry.Magorian@f101.n285.z1.fidonet.org ) writes:
> 
> Paul, I was interested in your message regarding electronics
> curriculum development  for Junior and Senior high school
> students.  Within the last 15 years electronics has become one of
> the "basics" of our workplaces and cultures.  Yet, I have not
> seen a corresponding increase in the number or percentage of
> student hours in electronics.  Few schools have successfully
> added electronics and those who have electronics often find low
> enrollments.  So, your curriculum project is a critical one.
> 

Jerry,

	I am serving as a volunteer consultant in Technology
Education to the electricity/electronics teachers in the public
schools in Chesapeake, Va.  Each of 5 high schools have an
assigned electronics teacher who teaches between 3 and 5 classes
in electricity/electronics in their schools.  Enrollment is no
problem, in fact in most instances, there are more students
seeking to enroll in the courses than there are spaces for them.

	The courses (two levels, Electronics I and Electronics
II, both full 2 semester courses) have a fair amount of
mathematics in the curriculum.  Some students naturally do
better in the math content than others, but most are capable of
doing all of the math that is required for an understanding of
the subject matter.  The two year curriculum starts at the
basic level of the complete circuit and ends with students
building computer peripheral devices operated from an Apple II
for which they develop their own programs in basic.

	If you need any specific information, etc., please
contact me via E-Mail with your questions, and I will be more
than happy to attempt to answer them.

Fred W. Culpepper,  Eminent Professor
OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired)
fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu

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From: Tony.Suba@p0.f120.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Tony Suba)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: If You Had $7,000 To Purchase Computer Equipment For Your Classroom...
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:23:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:231/120.0 - Someplace BBS, Indianapolis IN

Video software and card would provide a possible classroom activity
package often overlook. Kids like to be involve in video action.
Autodesk has a software for video that is reasonable. Good luck..

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From: Tony.Suba@p0.f120.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Tony Suba)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Technology Curriculum
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:01:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:231/120.0 - Someplace BBS, Indianapolis IN

I would like to exchage (Sp) Technology Modules if you can give me and idea 
of what area  to start with.. I also work with t Tech Prep in Indiana.
Hoew------h-----How do you want these items exchange???-----mail or 
electronics service??

Tony D/////



Tony Subs


Tony Suba
Ben Davis H. S.
1200 GIRLS SCHOOL ROAD
INDIANAPOLIS.IND.46214
317-244-7691 VOICE  
 

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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: monitor
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:21:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Well, I think the documentation is there,  the modem does work,  but the monitor does not work, like I said there are craks and the output is only a line across the screenbut most everything else works.  Do you have information on where they still service BLUE CHIP drives?  do you know if the structure inside is the same as the 1541 or 1541-II?  Did you have problems of the drive not saving? Well thats about it just the Monitor and the drive.

laters
Dennis


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From: Chris.Hime@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Hime)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Electronics Curriculum
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:50:12 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

 JM> I am not an electronics teacher nor technician, but I have seen
 JM> electronics classes from elementary to college.  From what I have
 JM> seen,  how you handle, "What to do about Math?" will be your most
 JM> critical question.  There is plenty of electronics instructional
 JM> material, but Math will make or break your program.  Using math
 JM> to teach electronics will drive away novice students. Using
 JM> electronics to teach math will limit how much electronics you can
 JM> teach upper level students.
 
Having recieved my A.S. in electronics and been a technician and a tutor on the subject I can say from experience that the math really isn't a stumbling block as long as the ciriculum realizes what must be done.  One of my problems with the school system in Marion County, FL is that they don't utilize the technology available to them and the students.  As I was getting my degree, a friend in the program with little better than a pre-algebra math education didn't need to know the trig. of the problem to sol
ve it.  He just needed to use a calculator.  I knew the trig. and it helped a little with the concepts, but it really wasn't necessary.  This is a case where the teacher realized that when the students got into the "real world" they would be using calculators and computer programs to solve the problems.  Also, if you are just teaching the basics so the student will know how to repair a computer, they don't need to know how a transitor works <I had to learn how it works>.  They just need to know the final o
utcome.  As for teaching the electronics, I have since built several amplifiers and such on my own.  For these I did not even have to design my own circuit.  I just used a "bible" of circuits and modified an existing design. 
 
Sorry to but in like that, but as I said, I speak from experience as both a student and a tutor.  Thanks for letting me ramble on.....
 
                         Chris Hime


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From: Lew.Scholl@p24.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lew Scholl)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: monitor
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:37:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.24 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR

Hello Dennis!

Well, its Christmas morning and I just got your message.  It took about 2-1/2 days to get here.  I polled my boss several times yesterday - so that may be about the speed we'll have to expect.

22 Dec 92, Dennis Shepard writes to Lew Scholl:

 DS> try to do something about that, does the drive need to be aligned? Also we

The disk drive (and maybe the warp-speed cartridge) was(were) the only thing(s) I knew about that didn't work consistently before.  I expected that the old Blue Chip would need cleaning and alignment.

 DS> found the monitor to have cracks on the side, like someone had dropped it
 DS> and there is only a line across the screen,  the modem we have not
 DS> tried,we have the two joysticks, power supply works fine.

I'm sorry about the monitor, it did work fine the last time I tried it, and I don't recall any cracks - so maybe the padding I supplied was not adequate for the shipping shocks.  Try some different combinations on the wires and tweak the knobs a bit - that's all I can suggest.  The modem should work fine. I think I included a copy of CCGMS that had all the settings right; I'm not sure, though; that program may have been only in "warp speed" form.  Did I send all the documentation?  If not, then let me know


 and I'll try to locate it.

I hope you and Juan are having a very merry Commodore Christmas.

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From: Steve.Choate@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Choate)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: monitor
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:48:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

  Hi, 
   Just saw your message about monitor problems. Here is one vague posibility for fixing it. There is a switch inside my monitor that has a "service" position. When I put it in that position all I get is a line across the screen. If the monitor was dropped it's possible that the switch was jarred into the "service" position. This isn't very likely but you might as well check the simple stuff first! Otherwise there's probably something wrong with the horizontal deflection circuits. Check for loose wires and
 plugs. Good luck!
                                 Steve


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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: HELP
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 12:27:48 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Hello John

Do you by any chance know much about Disl Drive troubles in particular with BLUE CHIP drives, they might be similar to 1541's.  you see this particular drive sometimes loads some of the programs and directory of disks, but it cannot save to disk.

I would appreciate any advice.

thanks
Dennis


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From: Chris.Rowan@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Rowan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: If you had $7,000 to purchase computer equipment for your classroom...
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 02:27:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

Hello everyone,

I've posted pleas for help on several Internet and K12Net
message areas and sincerely appreciate the advice given.  Thanks!!

I learned just last week that I was going to receive $7,000 in
computer equipment for my classroom.  I already have a
modem-equipped IBM AT 386 w/ printer AND a phone line.  I started
compiling a "Wish List" and posted my plea for help on the Internet
and K12Net.

I've modified my wish list as per the suggestions given me by half a
dozen respondents.  PLEASE Let me know what you think.  This is a
one shot deal, and I want to get the best bang for the buck:

        multi-disk CD-ROM player w/sound card, speakers,
                and multimedia disks (e.g., encyclopedia, atlas,
                Guinness <sp?> Book of World Records, etc.)
        laser printer (Jet 4?)
        9600 baud (or higher) fax/modem and 14450 UART chip
        page-sized scanner w/OCR software
        portable tape backup system (Colorado Trakker) 250 meg
        overhead projector interface
        386 or 486 notebook/laptop w/60 meg HD, internal 2400
                (9600?) baud fax/modem, trakball
        extra serial ports

. . . and as many IBM AT 486 DX clones as can be purchased with the
money left over.  These PC's should have the following features:

        LARGE hard drive (150 meg minimum)
        4 to 8 meg RAM
        SVGA monitor
        serial mouse (cordless?)
        2 extra serial ports
        5 1/4" floppy drive (1.2 meg)
        3 1/2" floppy drive (1.4 meg)
        DOS v 5.0 (or latest version)
        Windows (latest version)
        Network card w/lantastic (?)

Have I forgotten anything?  Is there anything here that you think is
unnecessary?  Superfluous?  Redundant?

One respondent suggested I get a Macintosh IIvi or vx.  I don't know
my Apples very well <g>.  If you know what these two types of
computers are capable of doing, could you puh-LEEEZE let me know?

Thanks in advance for everything!  I've learned quite a lot about
Dream Systems over the last few days.

Best regards,
     Chris



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From: Steve.Martindale@puddle.fidonet.org (Steve Martindale)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: Computer Donation
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 14:49:13 PDT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group

You might even want to ask the person who donated it what it can do.  He might even have had something in minfor it when he donated it.  If nothing else old computers can serve a usefull function when taking them apart for demonstration purposes.  I recently took apart a very old system and donated a few of the items to a local computer class for comparison.  The read and write heads were as big as the entire drive of today.  Tha t just blew their minds away.  It also shows them just how far we have advanc
ed by being able to touch the equipment instead of reading about it in some book that shows terrible 1970 pictures. It allows you to bring out a specifc part and show them.  It is also great fun taking them apart because with only a little understanding you can tell what all the parts do (you can not do that so much today)
         
                        STEVE MARTINDALE


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From: Jerry.Magorian@f101.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Magorian)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Electronics Curriculum
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:06:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/101 - NE Dept. Education, Lincoln NE

PM> I am interested in hearing what you might suggest in terms of Electronics
PM>curriculum for Junior and Senior High School students.  We are  considering

Paul, I was interested in your message regarding electronics
curriculum development  for Junior and Senior high school
students.  Within the last 15 years electronics has become one of
the "basics" of our workplaces and cultures.  Yet, I have not
seen a corresponding increase in the number or percentage of
student hours in electronics.  Few schools have successfully
added electronics and those who have electronics often find low
enrollments.  So, your curriculum project is a critical one.

I am not an electronics teacher nor technician, but I have seen
electronics classes from elementary to college.  From what I have
seen,  how you handle, "What to do about Math?" will be your most
critical question.  There is plenty of electronics instructional
material, but Math will make or break your program.  Using math
to teach electronics will drive away novice students. Using
electronics to teach math will limit how much electronics you can
teach upper level students.

Please keep me posted.  Some high schools
have traveling electronics labs, I would like to help them with
what to teach.

  SLMR 2.1a  


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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: Computer Donation
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:21:09 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <29952.2B2DAD87@puddle.fidonet.org> Linda.Bush@f58.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Bush) writes:
>Please advise.  Our school has been offered as a gift a Pyramid 9820 
>mainframe computer.  Does anyone have any comments about how we may 
>impliment it.  Is it a dinosaur?  I understand that it is running Unix. 
>I guess we hate to turn anything free down but I am concerned that it 
>may take alot of money to be able to impliment it and we don't know 
>anything about it.  Comments welcome.  
>Linda Bush

You really haven't given enough information.  How much RAM?  How many
disks and of what type?  Tape drives?  Terminals?  Power supplies?
Operating system, software?

The Pyramids aren't exactly mainframe computers, they are I think data
center unix machines.   The term "mainframe" tends to be applied by
most people to anything that has more than one user, which isn't very
useful.  A data center machine often needs to be installed in a
dedicated room with a raised floor and it's own air conditioning system
(HVAC).  I'm not familar with Pyramids in general however, you may not
need any special facilities.  A problem with any donated equipment is
that if you don't have any funding to maintain it the moment something
breaks you have to junk the whole system.  Beware that any "gift" may
end up costing you a lot more money in room renovations, maintainence
fees, and upgrades than a brand new system might.  You might want
to ask someone who really knows something about such systems, such
as a consultant, or people in the Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.pyramid.

You wouldn't happen to me in Masschusetts, would you?
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From: Bill.Bratberg@f2.n297.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Bratberg)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Technology curriculum
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 16:22:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:297/2 - Black Knight PCBoar, Farmington MO

I have what we call TAMs (Technology Activity Modules). Some are polished and ready to go and some need to be adapted. I'm interested in what you are doing in the Tech Prep area.  We are attempting to develop a 2+2 program with our local community college.  I think this would be a good idea but we have run into some hard feelings from our local vocational school. I guess we have stepped on some toes.  I would be interested in your Tech Prep info.  How are you using telecommunications in your classroom?  Ar
e there any other teachers from other curriculum areas willing to use telecommunications in thier classroom?  We have recently set up our own BBS and getting other teachers involved has been difficult.  I'll sent you some sample TAMs by snail mail so you can evaluate.  Would like to develop a technology news letter, have students from all over contribute electronically, we could use info to build desk top publishing activities around and then sent out to contributing schools.

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From: Bill.Bratberg@f2.n297.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Bratberg)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Technology curriculum
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:297/2 - Black Knight PCBoar, Farmington MO

Hello;

I'm a Technology educator at the Farmington School District in Farmington Missouri and looking to exchange information on technology related topics and curriculum.  The state of Missouri has developed a large amount of curriculum TAMs (Technology Activity Modules) for teacher use.  These can be made available for exchange.  Curriculum areas include; Communication, Materials and Processes, Energy and Power and limited materials on Biotechnology.  I'm also interested in developing a help area in which teache
rs can post questions and problems for others to help solve.  I'm new to K12, if this type of exchange currently exists any help on redirection would be welcomed.

Bill Bratberg
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From: wjohnson@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (William K. Johnson (Bill))
Subject: Computer Purchase
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fairfax)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:55:45 GMT

In response to Chris Rowans request for information about what
to purchase with his $7,000 grant -- the list of proposed
equipment would cost MANY times the $7,000 sum you have.  To
get the most "bang for the buck" you will need to go the
IBM-compatible direction.  MAC computers are just too expensive
right now.  Second, you need to shop around for prices.  For
example, a 9600 baud modem is nice (and probably unnecessary).
You can easily spend $500 for such a modem.  If you look
around, you will be able to purchase an excellent 14.4K modem
for about $250.  If a 2400 baud modem will do the job, you can
get one for under $50.00.

Regarding computers, I just purchased 13 systems for under
$19,000.  I am getting 33MHz 386 computers with 120MB hard
drives, 4MB RAM, internal CD ROM, 14" non-interlaced SVGA
monitors, plus windows and DOS.  Shop around.  I recommend
getting the Computer Shopper magazine for ideas and prices but
try to get a similar price from a local store.

One area that you can easily get burned in is the CD ROM
drive.  MANY CD ROMs are too slow to be useful.  You can easily
find CD ROM drives for under $200 but, when you look au the
specifications, you see that they have average seek times of
600ms or more (some have 1000ms).  If you are trying to use
large data files (e.g., for images), you can find that it will
take 15-20 minutes to generate one image.  Many new CD ROM
drives are coming on the market and you should be able to get
an excellent one for $300.  Insist on average seek times of no
more than 350 ms.  The fastest drive, incidentially, is the
Toshiba (200 ms) but the price right now is about $695.  It
will come down.

Another thing to keep in mind on computer purchases:  the new
Intel '586' chip should hit the market in early 1993.  This
should drive the price of the old '386' and '486' systems down
rapidly.  You can already buy a '486' computer for under $1000
but the price will drop even further.  Be patient.

If I can be of help, please feel free to contact me directly.
My office is tasked with helping teachers get technology into
the science classroom.  We will do what we can to help.

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