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From: jchauvin@netcom.com (John H. Chauvin)
Subject: X Terminal: I want my WorkSpace!
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 03:09:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


My organization is currently moving from a IBM mainframe to
workstations and I have been elected to define our groups
software/hardware requirements. One of my goals is to provide
the users with a homogenous user environment. The current plan
is for 50% SGI machines and 50% X terminals. Many reader may feel
that the WorkSpace is cumbersome and slow. But new user 
find it very comforting and it does ease the transition 
to unix.

Image my surprise when I found out that the WorkSpace 
will not work on X terminals. My question is:
Does SGI have any plans to provide a version which will
run on a X terminal? If so, when? How about adding more
capability to the application along the lines of Hewlett
Packard's HPVue which works on all terminals that support X.
Compare the jot program to the editor that is supplied with
HPVue. Jot is a joke!!!! (Zip is much better) If my users
see a HP workstation, they will refuse to work on an SGI machine.
My understanding is that most SGI users are "power unix users"
who have no need for a GUI. Well if SGI want to expand its
market share it must address the useability issue.
(Other vendors are!) You can at least offer it. Users can decide
for themselves if they want to use it. If gl is so important
to SGI, why don't they sell a X/gl terminal? 

Comment: I realize that most application written using gl run
much faster than a X-based counterpart. I am not a big fan
of X but it has become a standard and does offer the benefit of
portability. Maybe OpenGL will catch on and X11R6 will have a
gl extension. Lets hope so.


Any recommendations for a replacement for the WorkSpace on X Terminals?

John H. Chauvin
jchauvin@netcom.com
-- 
John H. Chauvin jchauvin@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: mcgraw@fermat.gte.com (Stuart McGraw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: find -local
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:00:54 GMT
Organization: GTE Labs, Waltam MA USA

In article <pfv4n44@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
| In <1813@ceylon.gte.com> mcgraw@fermat.gte.com (Stuart McGraw) writes:
[..."find x y -local" doesn't search y if x if NFS mounted...]
| 
| Unfortunately, you don't say which OS release you have, but it works
| for me on IRIX 4.0.5.

4.0.1.  Looks like upgrade time.  Thanks.
						-- Stu


-- 
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GTE Labs, Waltham MA    mcgraw@hilbert.gte.com
(617) 466-2525          {hsuc6,harvard}!bunny!hilbert.gte.com!mcgraw
"Just because a program gives the right answers, doesn't mean its right."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: jsw@microunity.com (Jeff Weinstein)
Subject: Re: PI video boards and X performance
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:02:21 GMT

In article <laic2eINNb8b@bovina.cs.utexas.edu>, ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward) writes:
> Our project is in X only.  No GL.  It uses XDrawLine and various XFill
> routines.  Will choosing a TG or XS24 over the G make any performance
> difference in this case?  If so, how much for each?

  You will definitely get the best performance from XS24.  TG will give
the same X performance as G, since X specific microcode doesn't use
the turbo option.

	--Jeff

-- 
Jeff Weinstein - X Protocol Police
MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
jsw@microunity.com
Any opinions expressed above are mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Attaching a modem to a 240 Iris (Irix 4.0.1)
From: archerb@gawain.umkc.edu (Barry Archer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: archerb@gawain.umkc.edu (Barry Archer)
Organization: UMKC Academic Computing Services


  Is there an FAQ for this group?  This is a simple but frustrating problem.
I need to attach an incoming modem to an Iris.  I followed the doc and attached
the modem cable to port 1.  The cable works with a PC.  But when one gets
connected, nothing, nada.  No process even shows up on the Iris to show that
the CR was received.

  Is there some trick I don't know?

--

Barry Archer 
archerb@gawain.umkc.edu	

  "Madness is the result not of uncertainty but certainty."
	- Friedrich Nietzsche
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: rodney@dgp.toronto.edu (Rodney Hoinkes)
Subject: 4.0.5MM gobbles RAM!!
Organization: Centre for Landscape Research, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:28:51 GMT


We have been noticing some very strange behaviour on one of
our Indigo's running 4.0.5MM which prevents us from running
one of our applications for more than a few minutes before
it bogs right down in swap.  I was hoping someone may have
some ideas about this - it is making the machine almost useless!
Here are my test results (from gr_osview -a):

                    MB       Pages	
Machine     OS      RAM   Kernel  Prog

PI20TG      4.01    16     700    2000
310VGX      3.32    32     800    1900(w/ IDO)
Indigo Etry 4.04    16     800    3000
Indigo Etry 4.05MM  16     1400   1600(w/ IndigoVideo board & IDO)

On the entry Indigo with video board, just holding down the mouse
in the application (which just checks input - does not do anything
by way of mallocing) on a slider bar starts rapidly eating memory
and ends up in swap increadibly fast (in Real-Time!), I can actually
see the free RAM drop with gr_osview.  The same does NOT happen on
any of the other systems!

Does anyone know of a potential reason for this?  The original 4.0.5
was the 'a' version before Media Mosaic additions were thrown on.


	Rodney Hoinkes
	Head of Design Applications
	Centre for Landscape Research
	University of Toronto
	Tel:   (416) 978-7197
	Email: rodney@dgp.utoronto.ca
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	APIAWWGATI
	"Anything's possible IF and WHEN we get around to it."
From: scotth@hoshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Tape Drive Question
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:53:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA


>>>>> In article <po39pko@zuni.esd.sgi.com>, olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:

olson> To put multiple archives on a single tape, just do 'mt feom' first to
olson> get to the end of the recorded data.

And use the "no rewind" device, like /dev/nrtape or its kin!!

--
 Scott Henry <scotth@sgi.com> / Traveller on Dragon Wings
 Networking Services,        / Help! My disclaimer is missing!
 Silicon Graphics, Inc      / GIGO *really* means: Garbage in, Gospel Out
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: XOpenDisplay fails when nobody is logged on
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:59:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

chen@umiacs.umd.edu (Ling Tony Chen) writes:
>The problem is that when nobody has logged on to the machine (and xlogin
>is running) XOpenDisplay fails. Does anybody know if its suppose to be
>this way ? Is there a way to get around this problem?

This is feature of xdm(1).  For security reasons xdm grabs the X 
server for the duration of the name/password reading.

Check out the man page for the xdm resources that control this 
feature.  

...robert
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Does Irix 3.3.2 support DAT tape devices?
Keywords: DAT
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:08:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <paraska.6.716040404@oasys.dt.navy.mil> paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska) writes:
| I've installed a Python DAT tape drive in a 4D30 PI and haven't had much
| success using it.  I seem to be able to tar to it, but can't get the data
| back off of it.  Sara Kunz has been quite helpful with other aspects of 
| tape usage and automatic backup, but she wasn't sure if Pre-4.0 Irix releases
| supported the DAT tape device.  I've looked in the man pages (mt, mtio, tar,
| tps, etc.) but haven't found a reference to a DAT device.  

It isn't supported under 3.3.X.  That said, I do know of people that
have used it (with the switches set to default to SCSI 1 mode, not the
SCSI 2 mode we require under 4.0) as a basicly high capacity QIC
drive (no variable block sizes, no audio, etc. etc.).  hinv will report
the type as 'unknown'.  If that works for you, great, but if it
doesn't, you'll have to upgrade, or use a different drive.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: john@sg25.aud.temple.edu (John W. Schwegler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Third party hardware service/support
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:18:35 GMT


Happy Monday morning folks!

I was asked (by someone without Internet access) if there are any companies
that provide hardware support/service for SGI machines. Does anyone know/use
any such companies? The group involved doesn't have much money, and they're
trying to minimize the cost of keeping their Indigo going. SGI folks, are
there any lower-cost maintenance options for the Indigo through SGI?

If you have actually used such a company, please give a little info about
cost and quality of service.

Please e-mail, and I will summarize and post to the group.

Thanks in advance!
-john 

______________________________________________________________________________
"Genius may have its limitations,       | John Schwegler
   but stupidity is not thus            | Temple U. Auditory Research Dept.
   handicapped."                        | john@sg25.aud.temple.edu
         - Elbert Hubbard               | (215) 221-3687 FAX 221-7523
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: rblander@math.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers)
Subject: sys/termio.h CTRL-c definition
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:03:14 GMT


This observation is on an Indigo running 4.0.4.
The file /usr/include/sys/termio.h contains this fragment:

    /* default control chars */
    #define CTRL(c) ('c'&037)
    #define CESC    '\\'            /* LDISC0 'literal next' default */
    #define CINTR   0177            /* DEL */
    #define CQUIT   034             /* FS, cntl-\ */
    #define CBRK    0377            /* 4.3BSD compatibility */
    #define CERASE  CTRL(H)
    #define CKILL   CTRL(U)
    #define CEOF    CTRL(d)
    #define CEOT    CEOF            /* 4.3BSD compatibility */
    #define CSTART  CTRL(q)
    #define CSTOP   CTRL(s)
    #define CSWTCH  CTRL(z)

Because of how CTRL(c) is defined, CERASE CKILL CEOF CSTART CSTOP CSWTCH
all get set to control-c.
For example:

    peacock 19# cat test2.c
    #include <sys/termio.h>
    ckill = CKILL
    peacock 20# cc -E test2.c | tail -5
    };
    
    # 1 "test2.c"
    
    ckill = ('c'&037)
    

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Robyn Landers	rblanders@math.uwaterloo.ca
Math Faculty Computing Facility
University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: CAP, printing, and IRIX 4.0.1
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:34:53 GMT

I have just finished upgrading a PI 30TG from IRIX 3.3.2 to 4.0.1.
I have CAP pl126 in place, which was running without
problems under 3.3.2. We are using Transcript and PSCOMM is set
to papif via the .options file in /usr/spool/lw-bmec. Now when I
lpr a file, it gets printed to the laserwriter on appletalk just
fine, but the job is stuck in the queue. The cf and df files
remain in /usr/spool/lw-bmec and the child process lpd is still
running but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. The log file
says that papif started and finished. Turning the printer off and
on doesn't help. Has anyone experienced similar problems?
Any hints will be appreciated.

thanks,
bob

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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: append to backup tape
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:17:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <60106@mimsy.umd.edu> dong@umiacs.umd.edu (Dong Chen) writes:
| Is it possible at all to append the new backup to the end of tape ?
| A lot of time I only want backup very few important files and feel it's
| really waste to have only a few files on each tape.

Depends on what you mean by 'append', and on what type of tape drive
you have.  You can always write multiple archives per tape, by
using the norewind device and/or 'mt feom'.  If you are talking about
'tar r', or 'tar u', that only works on drives that support overwrite,
such as 9 track and DAT.

| Also, after backup entire system on several tapes, it requires to go through
| all the tapes to just restore one file if that one is on the last tape.

This is a somewhat different issue.  I assume you are talking about
a multivolume backup (an archive that spans more than one tape).
If you know for sure which tape a file is on, and the archive is a
tar archive, you can usually start with the correct tape and use the
'e' option.  You can probably also do this with cpio.  It should also
be possible with bru with the -F option, but I seem to recall bru
being obnoxious about insisting that you start with tape #1.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: bob@caw2.4950tw.wpafb.af.mil (Bob Plested)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Cron script problems
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:42:05 GMT

Hello all,
  My machine has a crontab entry which, among other things, runs every morning 
at 5:00 am looking for old garbage to delete. It looks something like this:

0       5       *       *       *       find / -local -type f '(' -name core -o 
-name dead.letter ')' -atime +7 -mtime +7 -exec rm -f '{}' ';'

All on one line. This is the command as distributed by SGI, I've not changed 
it.  
  When it runs (every day for the past couple of weeks) I get...

find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/what.z: No such file or directory
find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/whatis.z: No such file or directory
find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/whereis.z: No such file or directory
find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/which.z: No such file or directory
find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/who.z: No such file or directory
find: stat() failed: /usr/catman/u_man/cat1/whoami.z: No such file or directory


This goes on for about 90 lines, all different files. Those files really are
there. Why is the machine giving me this error? What does it mean? I fear
that it means something somewhere has been corrupted.

TIA, Bob

P.S. This is a 4D/320VGX running Irix 4.0.4. The problem seemed to start about
the time this machine was hit with some heavy duty hardware problems on the
graphics and possibly the CPU boards.


------------
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4950th Test Wing/FFXD              134.136.241.11 
Wright-Patterson AFB, OH           (513) 257-6809 DSN 787-6809

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: martin@kaa.desy.de (Martin Gasthuber)
Subject: nfswatch, nfstrace on SGI
Keywords: nfswatch nfs nfstrace
Organization: UNI-Hamburg I Institut f. Exp-Physik
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:01:19 GMT

Short Question...

  Did anybody know an existing SGI version for the NFS tools
  nfswatch and nfstrace to obtain information about current NFS traffic
  from dedicated clients ??

      Thanx

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From: rob@epochsys.UUCP (Rob Kenna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Sun Xview clients and 4.0.5
Keywords: X, xview
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:14:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: epochsys.1265
Distribution: na
Organization: Epoch Systems, Westboro MA


I have just installed 4.0.5 and have a problem running SunOS based xview
clients on my Indigo Xserver.  They connect just fine but the server
freezes when I make a selection inside the client.  Killing the client
unfreezes things.  Has anyone this seen this phenomenon?  Is there a known
fix/workaround?  Thanks.

 - rob 


------------------------------------------------------
Rob Kenna (rkenna@epoch.com)
Epoch Systems 8 Technology Drive Westborough, MA 01581
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Rob Kenna (rkenna@epoch.com)
Epoch Systems 8 Technology Drive Westborough, MA 01581
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Real time features/problems under Irix 4.0.4
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:17:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Sep4.212119.13867@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> root@amerie.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Thunder Root) writes:
| We are using a Personal Iris 4D/35, running IRIX 4.0.4, to run a
| real time control task at 50 Hz. 
| 
| The real time task is created using sproc(), and given a non-degrading
| process priority using schedctl(NDPRI, 0, NDPHIMAX). All memory in the
| program is locked using plock(PROCLOCK), and stack space is locked as 
| well using mpin(). The real time event is generated by a VME bus
| interrupt that is caught by our own driver, which then calls the
| kernel routine pollwakeup() to wake up the real-time control task
| which is waiting inside a select().
| 
| We can verify the performance of the task using an oscilloscope.
| It runs fairly reliably (with a maximum jitter of 2 or 3 msec.) if I
| edit files, run make, or list directories. However, serious delays
| of around 200 msec. or so can be caused by things involving the
| screen display -- such as moving and exposing windows. Scrolling
| inside an xterm window will also cause such a delay (although
| scrolling inside a winterm does not).
| 
| Our documentation on IRIX real-time talks about guaranteed process
| dispatch times of 1 to 2 milliseconds for real time tasks. So ...

That is on the MP machines (with more than once CPU).

| 1. What really _is_ the worst case process dispatch time?

It hasn't been measured on the ESD platforms, because we have
no official realtime support there (although many of the realtime
features exist and are implemented).

| 2. Is there anything we can do to improve ours? (short
|    of booting the machine single user :-))

Don't run graphics ;)

Seriously though, there are cases in the graphics code where it
spins at interrupt time waiting for the graphics fifo to empty.
There has been talk about fixing this for several years; it is
a somewhat difficult problem to solve...
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: R4000 Indigo Boot Environment Parameters
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:47:23 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood


 We have an R4000 Indigo for evaluation and I have a question concerning
a couple of boot environmental parameters. They are set as follows.

 SystemPartition=multi(0)scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(8)
 OSLoadPartition=multi(0)scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0)
 OSLoader=sash

 How would I set these new style parameters to boot fx.IP20 or ide.IP20 
from the latest CD which supports the R4000 Indigo ? Previously the pro-
cedure involved the following for CDROM set to unit 4.

    setenv boot dksc(0,4,8)sashIP12
    boot dksc(0,4,7)/stand/fx.IP12

 Steve Tyree - RFX System Integrator
From: avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: The Gnu PV on SGI machines!
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:41:02 GMT

Spotted: A GPV product on SGI machines.

(do a "man acpp")

SGI is spreading the GPV too! Wow....

Of course I categorically deny having said anything *bad* about GNU.
No flames, please.
:-(

OB SGI Query: So, how about releasing source code for the really
important stuff: libtri, etc...
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From: george@tusk.med.harvard.edu (George Planansky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 4.1 cron "Tbin: error msg" bug -- easy fix?
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:00:14 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School, Boston MA

On an Indigo running IRIX 4.1, cron is misbehaving:

------
From: root (Super-User)
Tbin: /bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh/usr/



sbin:/usr/bsd:/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh: is not an identifier
Apparently-To: root


*************************************************
Cron: The previous message is the standard output
      and standard error of one of your cron commands.
-----

Is there a fix for this?
--
George Planansky
Department of Biological Chemistry & Molecular Pharmacology
Harvard University Medical School, 240 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115
email: gplanansky@tusk.med.harvard.edu
phone: (617) 432-3919
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