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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:04:47 GMT


I say:

>I've ordered Legendary Abs, but don't tell Wanchisen... if
>she learns I've got it, she'll allthetime wanna borrow it.

B. Wanchisen replies:

>Why?  Does it have nice pictures?

I'M NOT SAYING!!!
If I TELL you it has nice pictures, you'll wanna borrow
it... and then I'll NEVER see it again. Sheesh-- you still
have my copies of:

-Bitchin' Biceps to Bring You Blonde Babes  AND
-10 Easy Steps to a Muscular Belly Button

<hides books from B>

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:19:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <15059@umd5.umd.edu>, Adam Silver writes:

> I have posted armwrestling exercises a few times.  When I get time, I'll do
> it again.  I will post also how to get the armwrestling mag (not that anyone
> really cares).  :-)

I'd like to get it.

How much better are you are armwrestling now than you were at it last
year?  Think you've improved enough that you could take me? :)
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920)
Subject: Ab work: try May 1992 issue of ...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:19:31 GMT

Muscle & Fitness.  There is a Super Feature in there that I found really
interesting.  After reading several times I decided to devote 2 days a week
to Abs & lower back (including glutes).  This increased my total number of
days in the gym from 4 to 6.  Have only been on this new regime for about
3 weeks but my body seems to like it, although it is somewhat grueling.

The article was real good with sections on nutrition, bio-mechanics and
some good illustrations.  

KimmyD
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: goodguy@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shen Kai Lew)
Subject: Re: Best thing to do
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.182317.89864@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>  
gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:
> In article <#g+y3ag@rpi.edu>, willic6@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu (Charles  
Williams)
> writes:
> >What is the best thing to do to remove excess fat from the abdominal  
area?
> >I've heard that situps do not do the trick... I'd prefer a method that  
does
> >not require weights, not going to a gym.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> DIET!!!!!!!
> 
> George

And running with proper Nike shoes. Slowly but gradually, don't push it  
too hard or you'll hurt yo'self. If too boring, run with attractive female  
or in groups.    --- Marvin
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: What's the deal with those carbohydrates
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:01:00 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department

In article <_1!ng4p.garyd@netcom.com> garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz) writes:
> (Posted for a friend)
> 
> What is a good amount of carbohydrates to ingest daily if you work out?
> 
> What is a good book to read about carbohydrates and sports diets?
> 

If you do high intensity anaerobic training, take in about 
1 gm carb/ kg bodyweight within one hour of finishing your workout,
(assuming the workout burns about that much energy as well). 

The best book I've found is called something like "Sports Nutrition
in the 90's: the nutritionists guide", c 1992, and you'll find
it at medical libraries or medical bookstores. Its not a "popular book",
it presents the results of accumulated research into sports nutrition.
The recommendation above is from it.



--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Crystalline aminos vs peptide aminos
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:54:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug20.165447.22806
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <15069@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>	I think he meant that he doesn't need fattening things like hamburgers,
>whole eggs, cheese, whole milk.  I know Rob, and he eats VERY smartly.

Well, there is skim milk, skim milk powder and egg whites.
And ordinary protein powder (soy, egg or milk protein).
All of these are "peptide-bonded" aminos.  I just thought
the word "peptide-bonded aminos" instead of "protein"
was a bit strange.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:10:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.161721.4970@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>Hey, Wimps!  I am in Boston.  I can log into my account from here at MIT.
>You should see the weight room here.  It's pathetic compared to Maryland.  They
>have only one bodybuilder, but he's pretty strong too.  I could easily kick his
>a**.  :-)  Just joking.
>
>						-Adam (from Aleck's account)

Well?  Where is the showdown taking place?  Can you make it to Dedham at all?

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller)
Subject: Steriods in Sports
Keywords: Steriods
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:53:25 GMT

  I have been reading about the concerns
of Steriods being used in the olypics and
many other sports. It seems that everbody
has some concern of whether it is fair for
someone who is using these drugs to be
competing with people who are not using them.
One thought that I had was why not let
people use whatever drug they want and if
they are found to be using any type of
drug, make the points or time that they
have to achieve much higher than someone
who is clean. I realize that this probably
would not work for all competitive sport
but on some it might. Just a thought.

   thanks, Mark                 C-ya
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Hack Squats
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:57:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.112915.2119@brandonu.ca> rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:
>
>Question about hack squats -- is it best to go down all the way for each
>rep, or is best to stop when your legs are bent at a 90 degree angle?  When
>I do them the latter way, I feel like I'm cheating at the movement, but
>I seem to feel it more in the hamstrings whereas the full movement works
>the quads more.
>

it has been my observation that people, ideally, do and try to go down all
the way when doing hacks.  they give the thigh a very thorough challenge.
the limiting parameter for many, however, seems to be the knees.  if they
bother you when you dip below the right angle, then you should stop there.
if they don't bother you, then by all means, go for the big dip!  why not
get some ham work done (indirectly, in the case of hacks)
while going after the quads?!  hell.

poo
From: ralphh@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca (Ralph Hand)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Nordic Flex Gold, to buy or not to buy
Keywords: Nordic Flex Gold
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:12:14 GMT


Does anyone out there have experience with the Nordic Flex Gold 
machine.  Anything a potential buyer should know.  They say it
is better than soloflex.  Anyone out there at all. I would hate to
shell out $1000 on a product with no input.

Any info would be appreciated

Ralph
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:45:01 GMT

 I noticed the reactions to the weightlifter's girths interesting.  People
seemed a bit prepossesed by how these people looked ( and a bit acrimonious)
and not so much by the event.  Being a formly fat person and one who is
perenially battling a slow metabolism as well as societal attitudes about
my weight I found it noteworthy.

  Back to the subject of the post;  I had some friends of mine on my college's
olympic weight lifting team tell me that those big bellys actually provided
help in the event via leverage when those guys hauled the weight up swiftly.
  Is this true?

Steve Russell


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231140.16260@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) wrote:

> All else being equal, a longer limb will give you less leverage due to
> the working end (e. g., your hand) being a longer distance from the
> fulcrum.  Strength is also a function of (aside from muscle fiber
> recruitment) the insertion point of the muscle/tendon on the bone.
> You may have an insertion point of the muscles that is farther from
> the joint in your back muscles and only average for the pecs/tris/etc..
> 
> GMS

  This is definitely the case, I guess it's time for surgury.:-)

***********************************
riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)

No passion on earth, no love or hate
Is equal to the passion 
to change someone else's code
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:48:33 GMT


In a previous article, sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson) says:

>In article <1992Aug19.235255.3765@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Virgilio Velasco writes:
>
>* 	I can think of a few reasons for using the treadmill.  One:
>* variety, since always running outdoors can get tiresome for some people.
>
>How much variety can you get on a treadmill?
>Oh I see, point it towards the door, 
>point it towards the wall,
>point it towards the window.
>
>Running outdoors gives you many possible routes,
>with different scenery along the way.

	I said that you can get variety using a treadmill.  What I meant
was that it provides an alternative to mere jogging/running/walking.  Of
course, there are other ways to get variety as well, such as step
exercises, stairclimbing, rowing and skiing.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:16:46 CDT
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu
Keywords: Compromise


In article <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes:
|>   I think an even better compromise would be separate divisions, analogous
|> (kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free divi-
|> sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
|> Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
|> division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....                 
|>  
|> Comments?             
|> 

That is a lot more atheletes.  Probably too many.  Media attention would
probably be focused on the 'anything goes' group because that is where
all the best times / biggest weights / longest distances would come from.

The preasure to win is pretty great, I've gotta think that a significant 
number of atheletes are using drugs to prepare for competition.  Perhaps
letting them do it is the way to go.

Art
From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Calf/Vertical Jump Training
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)

Hi---
 
	I'm an avid volleyball player and an avid bodybuilder. My
question
concerns calves. How does one train them for explosiveness, such as
vertical
jumping. I'd like to build them for bodybuilding but my main goal is to
put
a good 6-8 inches on my vertical by March. Can anyone help? I'd
appreciate
it very much. Send mail or reply here. 
 
-Mike

-- 
Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: muscle fat-burning "efficiency"
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.131708.22623@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:

>Tone muscles burn more fat than weaker muscles in the same
>amount of time for any given exercise.

There doesn't seem to be good agreement here about 'tone', you should
probably be more specific.

>In this respect, the stronger muscles are more efficient than
>the weaker muscles at burning fat.

You are breaking new ground with this claim.  The adaptations that
enable higher fat burning in aerobically trained muscles seem to be
increased vascularization, more carnitine, and more mitochondria.
Do you have any evidence for more efficient fat burning by stronger
muscles during aerobic exercise, or for these adaptations from strength
training?

>I merely pointed out that all other
>things being equal, strong muscles burn more fat than weaker
>ones.

It's very hard to hold all other things equal.  For running, a heavier
body requires more energy for a given speed.  So let's be specific.
You claim that a weight trained leg will burn more fat than an untrained
one on a ergometer at any work load clearly under the aerobic limit.
Right?  Doesn't anyone here have access to a physiology lab?  Lots
of things to test.

-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Gyro's
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: aries.mcdonald.213
Organization: UIUC SCS

In article <713931107.8068.0@ccon.weh.andrew.cmu.edu> pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pomona Anupol Valero) writes:

>Hi there,

>I've recently gotten a taste of Greek Gyro's and really like them.  My question
>is, does anyone know what the health benefits are from the meat?  (I'm not
>sure, but I think it's veal and I don't know much about veal.)

>Thanks,
>Pomona

Gyro meat is, well, variable. The "authentic" variety is chock full of
lamb and tastes great to me. But some gyro shops think that Midwesterners
don't like lamb and so theirs is 1% lamb and 99% beef and tastes rather
blah. Actually they are probably right, as Midwestern tastes are
notoriously bad ... its a miracle if you find even one tiny lamb
chop in the meat section of a grocery store.

Whatever, the stuff if absolutely stuffed to the gills with saturated fat.

I'd kill if they used imitation sour cream. The real sour cream adds that
extra fillip of pure saturated beef fat to make them absolutely anathema
to the health food set.

Doug McDonald
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:52:55 GMT


In a previous article, brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) says:

>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>>I'm adding regular aerobic workouts to my bodybuilding.  Currently
>>I'm 26, weigh ~240, and have a rest pulse of ~54.  I've just started
>>doing a recumbent bike for about 30 minute sessions, keeping
>>my pulse at around 155, three times a week.  Also, after lifting
>>I've been doing the same for 20 minutes, in addition to a very
>>easy (pulse 120-130) 10 minutes before lifting to get the blood
>>flowing.
>
>>Is this a productive approach?  Should I drop the aerobics after
>>lifting?  Are the times okay?  Since I'm new to steady-pulse aerobics
>>(I've done martial arts and biking-around-town in the past) I really
>>have no idea what I'm doing.
>
>     I would keep the aerobic sessions to 3-5 per week and skip the
>aerobics after lifting.  You need to take in carbohydrates about 30 min
>after lifting, and if you're on a bike you might be just pedaling away the
>mass.

	According to the recent issue of "Muscle and Fitness" which was
dedicated to aerobics, one should not exercise aerobically right after
pumping iron.  However, it does say that if you eat right, you can pump
iron in the morning and do some aerobics in the afternoon.

	If you want to be doubly safe, it's probably better to do light
aerobics such as walking on your weight-training days.

>>I'll also be getting a treadmill shortly.  What's the best way
>>to use the bike and the treadmill together?
>
>     Why the treadmill?  Why not run outdoors?  If the weather is nasty,
>then use the bike.  Also, I can't imagine you using the treadmill on any
>setting except completely flat.  At 240, you're going to thrash the
>treadmill if it's on an incline.

	I can think of a few reasons for using the treadmill.  One:
variety, since always running outdoors can get tiresome for some people.
Two: as an alternative to the bike, since it's generally better to
combine different aerobic exercises, thus avoiding overtraining.  Three:
you can read, watch TV, or talk on the phone while using the treadmill.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:21:35 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <577@oodis01.af.mil> kenworth@oodis01.af.mil (Tom Kenworthy) writes:

There must be some intermediate steps that you have omitted in this
description of the effects of chromium.

>Insulin is an incredibly important hormone that minute by minute regulates the
>metabolism of carbohydrates, fats, and protein.  

>Biologically active chromium is absolutely necessary if insulin is to do its
>job.  Technically, it's called an ** essential cofactor ** for insulin.

>Unquestionably, CP helps you lose fat while sparing muscle.  In two scientific
>studies at a major university, students taking 200 micrograms of CP (and
>exercising moderately) lost 22% of their body fat and significantly increased
>muscle.  Cp further aids weight loss by increasing the metabolic rate.  It

What were the control results?  What was the metabolic rate?

>also speeds up the metabolism of a special type of fat called "brown fat" and

As an aside, how is the 'brown fat' theory doing these days?
Do humans have it, where do we put it, and how do you measure it short
of autopsy?


>If ample glucose is readily available within the cells, where it
>can be burned for energy, there is no need for the brain to "tell" the body to
>"send me more blood sugar; I'm hungry". 

>Insulin and chromium not only assure rapid uptake
>of blood sugar, they also assure its rapid conversion into glycogen, a special
>form of glucose that is stored for future use and released as needed. 

Insulin moves glucose from the blood into both fat and muscle cells.
How does Cr direct glucose to glycogen rather than fat?
If glucose moves more rapidly into cells, then
it must fall more rapidly in the blood stream, and hence lead to more
hunger.  The way out of this is to show that Cr has a greater effect
on the brain, or a lesser effect on the liver or fat cells,
than on muscle cells.  Perfused organ studies would seem like the 
type that shows up in the texts.


-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: chaos@zeus.tamu.edu (Kimberly Diane Faircloth)
Subject: Re: Favorite Foods
Summary: yogurt
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.213314.20224@u.washington.edu>, griffin@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin) writes...
>In article <Aug.19.22.24.08.1992.7867@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>>
>>What type of healthy food do you really like?  I'm very fond of
>>yogurt; my one-day record is over 100 ounces (really!).  
> 
>With all this talk of egg whites, skim milk and tuna, it's great to
>see someone else endorse yogurt, non-fat of course. I find that if I
>skip a day, I can get weird cravings for it. 
> 
>Speaking of cravings and favorite foods, I have terrific
>cravings for carohydrates at night just before I go to bed.
>I've been eating whole wheat bagels and breakfast ceral (non-fat
>brands). Do you other folks also suffer from evening cravings for
>carbs? Do you resist or give in to them? What do you eat when you
>have a carbo craving?


I'm just a carbo-maniac at heart...I'll take breads and pastas over
meat ANYTIME!!!  I generally have a craving at night for something like
cereal, so I try to stick with fiber rich cereal and skim milk (*YUM-YUM*).
I can't stand to drink even lowfat milk anymore....*blech*.


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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:29:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Aug12.180237.3576@spcvxb.spc.edu> 8schutting_r@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>why does adam always have to put at the end of every message that he's a power
>lifter and arm wrestler? is this official designated title bestowed on him by
>the univ. of maryland president?

Hey, when you're the best, you don't need the president behind you.  :-)

>BS in powerlifting & arm wrestling. don't worry about getting an education adam
>pro arm wrestling is going to be on american gladiators. maybe you'll finally 
>be able to do something with that degree.

Hey, I want to be on American Gladiators.  I'll crush Thunder's wimpy
21" arms.

>i eventually lifted the 100lbs. off of adam's chest with one arm then impressed
>the audience by doing a one arm curl. adam then asked me for advice on how to 
>lift!!!!
>bob

But then I took the bar and bent it around your 6 inch neck.  :-)

							-Adam

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