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From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Address Munging
Keywords: UUCP, Bitnet, mailing list
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 06:47:39 -0600
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

In <syV7TB4w165w@ncc1701e.uucp> the_sage@ncc1701e.uucp (Jerome Grimmer) writes:

>The other problem I forsee with this address munging is when there are no
>'@' characters in the From: header.  For example, suppose I get a message
>from somebox!somewhere!foo!user, and the system foo is not in the UUCP
>maps (this is obviously a UUCP address).  Would it be appropriate to munge
>this address to somewhere!foo!user@uunet.uu.net so that it would be
>distributable from a Bitnet Listserv? (Assuming the system somewhere is in
>the maps.)

The problem you'll run into here is the needless routing of mail local to
a group of systems to uunet.

ie.  
	system foobar.UUCP 

	feeds sites ex1.UUCP
                and ex2.UUCP

user1 on ex1 sends mail to user2 on ex2 addressed as:

	foobar!ex2!user2

your method would cause this to be routed back to uunet for absolutely no
reason, increasing transmission time, and wasting bandwith on systems that
needn't be involved.  Best bet is to leave bang paths alone, they are
*usualy* the best or most reliable path to use.

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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: External database access through Waffle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:50:37 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

I'm running DOS Waffle 1.65, and would like to implement a simplistic
database lookup for BBS callers to access via Waffle.  I suppose
if I were running Unix I could do something with the shell and
its tools, but my question is - can someone recommend a small
(must fit into c. 300k) non-terminal specific (no ANSI-PC emulations
please, just tty text) database program that might integrate with
DOS Waffle?  

I actually tried dBASEII but it does odd things to the screen
and didn't seem to be dealing with simple tty output, event using
Doorway as a mediator.

Shareware's best, of course!

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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:49:06 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

dawson@morpheus.bssi.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:

> Methinks Kevin has overlooked this problem?

What problem? There isn't one as long as..
1] before unbatching, there are no duplicates in the directory
2] duplicates are removed immediately after unbatching, before
   the articles can be read and batched.

> Let's suppose you have 1000 users, each of which is subscribed to all of
> Usenet, plus a few alt groups, and maybe some local groups.  How about
> 1000 lines per join file... gee, that's 1,000,000 lines to reset, each
> time you resequence the articles.

You are looking too far downstream in the process and assuming there
IS a problem. Let's take the example of a news directory containing
the article numbers...

Before unbatching : 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
After unbatching  : 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

One article was expired for effect. We know articles 11-15 are
unique. Since the logic of duplicate removal keeps the first of
any two duplicates, 11-15 will still be there after duplicate
removal and any resequencing. And if all 1000 users have read all
articles in that particular group, their pointers are sitting at
15. Maybe article 17 is a duplicate.. we get a resequencing of
18->17 and 19->18. Looks like this now..

After dup. deletion and resequencing : 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18

Join pointer is still at 15, which is correct. So where is the problem?

> That sounds like a lot of work, and I believe is all really quite unnecessary

Sounds rather simple to me.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: william@cithara.uucp (William Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Silly
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:40:44 EST
Organization: Local Testbed for network mail, we trust!


> bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

 > The sig routines use a simple file concatenation to the end of messages,
 > and bypasses any waffle intrinsic features. In other words, you can't
 > do it.

You mean something like: ifexist "_edit" copy _edit + sig > %.dat ?
* * *

On another subject.

I notice that some folks publish their 'warez here in what appears to be
uuencoded format. I have tried to rebuild these files but get an error
message -begin not found. [sic]  Tips on this one welcome.

Thanks for your time

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One day I'll get it right              william@cithara.login.qc.ca
                                       postmaster%cithara@comback.login.qc.ca
From: kilgore@obelisk.pillar.com (Stan Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: /expire=5 ??
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:01:15 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Pillar Communications, Oklahoma City, Ok

cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:

> kilgore@obelisk.pillar.com (Stan Hall) writes:
> 
> >     I would also like to point out that I have a modified version of
> >     cwexp104 (a wonderful program) that will leave the last article
> >     in a newsgroup regardless of the expire setting.  If anyone is
> >     interested drop a note.
> 
> Stan (or is it Kilgore?), thanks for the offer.  I'm the author of
> cwexp104, and I've made cwexp105.  The new one will now permit you to
> specify that you want to keep that last article in a newsgroup
> regardless of the expire setting (just like the mod you made).  I'm not
> trying to steal your thunder, but I thought I'd go ahead and offer
> cwexp105 here (below, uuencoded cwexp105.zip).  FYI, I made cwexp105
> about 2 months ago.
> 

    Well to steal my thunder back :-)  I have completed making my version
    release worthy.  Along with the above mod it also has keeps a log in
    /waffle/admin/expire and has a few other minor tweaks and twiddles
    that aren't as obvious.  
    
    Everyone that sent me a note expressing interest should have received
    a copy by now (though mail did bounce to a couple of people).  If
    anyone else is interested it is available on halcyon.com as:

       /pub/incoming/sex100.zip

    Hopefully it will moved into the waffle archives soon.    

    Kilgore



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The Obelisk, Oklahoma City, OK -- +1 405 325 9607
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,sbay.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Cross posting (was Fun with MS Windows)
Keywords: waffle crossposting
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:16:13 GMT

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:

>Please allow the editing of all headers, especially the To: 
>and Newgroups: lines. Currently, if you do a followup to a 
>cross-posted newsgroup, there is no method to delete the 
>inappropriate groups.

This can be done now.  Type 'follow newsgroup.keep' and the
post will go just to the one you designate (unless something's
broken, which I doubt).

Also, newsgroups default to 'To: All'.  You do not direct a news
post to an individual.
From: david@cssnet.UUCP (J. David Schronce)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Usenet <-> GEnie Gateway
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:23:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Services

I realize this is NOT the place to ask this question, but I've seen a lot 
of GEnie sigs here.
  
Is there a way to address GEnie users from Usenet?  I've got ways to 
reach almost anyone - anywhere, but I've never found anything on GEnie.
  
Thanks!!

---dave---
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|J. David Schronce     "Death Before Decaf!!"    david@cssnet.UUCP|
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From: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Net Access at age 14?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: FiFi's Taco Stand

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

~ ferret@works.uucp (Dave Ferret) writes:
~ 
~ >I had (and still do) net access when I was 14-15... I don't see why 
~ >people shouldn't. 
~ 
~ >I'm not sure the 6 year old or even the 9 year old would get as much out 
~ >of it though. Then again, I don't know your kids. :)
~ 
~ The K12 groups and netmail's a good place for kids to get their
~ feet wet.  And these guys know that Waffle's aren't just for
~ breakfast (well, neither is chocolate).
~ 
Only problem I see with kids on the net is that this is the time of
their lives when they should be out gettin into trouble with the law
and young girls (boys), and not spending all their free time praying
to the Cathode Ray Temple. I mean, they've got the rest of their
lives to fry their retinas. Are we developing a generation of youth
that would rather play SuperNintendo Baseball than get dirty with the
real thing?

a place for everything, and everything in it's place.

shane

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"Remember, only you can prevent annoying resource-consuming .sigs"
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: dupweed
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:42:57 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:

> Well all, I got the dupweed that kevin posted and maybe I just got a lot of
> newsgroups but it won't work on news\comp or news\soc don't think it's in
> the code just think I gotta use it on smaller and smaller root directories.
> Problem though, isn't it supposed to find duplicate articles from the root 
> of news, no matter if they are posted elsewhere of not! right now I can
> delete dupes from news\rec\foo and news\rec\bar but if something is
> cross-posted to comp.foo or comp.bar I'm fubar for sure!!  Kevin any help
> available and no I'm not a programmer!! Just a waffle head, I guess I could
> try writing bat files for every conceivable combination but that wouldn't wor
> either!!  I can't get dupweed to see extended or expanded memory either, only
> the 320,000 or so I have left after waffle is running!!

DupWeed is not the solution to your problem. As written, DupWeed has two
limitations :

  1) It can handle only 40 subdirectories per directory.
  2) It can handle only 750 articles per directory.

Either one could be why you can't get it to work on news\comp and
news\soc. These 2 limits could be removed, but at the expense of memory
and definately speed.

As far as cross-posting, no, it is not supposed to handle cross posts.
It also has no support for extended or expanded memory.

See, I wrote it for my site to handle dups in two low-traffic local
news hierarchies that I wanted to have network redundancy with, not for
an entire news spool. I posted it because people expressed interest and
it can be useful in some situations. But the application you are trying
to use it for is one for which the program was just not designed to
handle.

Sorry. You are probably better of using Mr. Willard's WafHist if you
want to manage an entire news spool.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Global Link and Waffle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:00:27 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Organium Brainbending & Low Level CodeWorks of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Salut!

I have been requested by a local investment club to investigate,
and if possible, to set up a BBS using a satellite downlink,
Global Link and Waffle so that the members of the investment club
can call in and get the daily stock prices.  This is the
investigation phase.  If anyone has any experience or knowledge
on this subject would they please Email me.

Any help is appreciated.  Thank You.

Regards,
Magus.

-- magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James C. Copland)
-- Brew Haus -- Winnipeg, Manitoba
From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bang paths (was: UUCP mail processing ethics)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 06:34:55 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

> >> For some reason, I don't think that sending mail to the bang-path above wi
> >> get to you, Timothy.  Personal sig files don't have percent-variables expa
> >> you need to replace the %A with your own name.
 
> >In the bang path above, isn't the uunet reference redundant since 
> >scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%s (where %s is the user) presumably a 
> >valid bang path in itself assuming the scruz knows clovis?  (And 
> >shouldn't clovis be in a map somewhere if it's part of the .us domain and 
> >not a sub-domain off a main site in a city?)
 
> Well...if clovis.felton.ca.us is indeed registered in the US domain, then
> the bang path is redundant.  However, if clovis is not registered, then
> it most likely is needed, and clovis should get on the stick.

Clovis indeed is registered us prime grade, and scruz definitely
knows clovis, and I don't know exactly why the bang path is
included with a domain address, but I have seen it many times.
Merely copied the big boys.  

I have known of a system which would, even though I was a near
neighbor, send mail up to uunet to be parsed.  I connected with
this node constantly, and yet mail directly from that node to
me would take 48 hours!  

Perhaps someone working under such a handicap as an account on
a machine that did such searches would find a closer path in
the sig if the bang path were laid out?  Anyone think of 
another reason why both should be included in a sig?  I
didn't invent the convention, after all.

Tim

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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Posting to A Local Board From A Newsgroup
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:37:43 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:

-> steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
-> 
-> -> Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I want mail from the outside world t
-> -> come into waffle and get posted to one of Waffle's Boards.
-> 
-> RTFM!
-> 
-> ~/aliases
-> alias | post local.newsgroup

As was pointed out to me in email, Steve wants to do this in the UNIX
version.  Teaches me to keep better track of the threads.

Sorry Steve.
  John


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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:43:41 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> Well, I must admit that I did not look at DupWeed to see exactly how the
> re-sequencing was being done.  I gathered that messages were being renumbered
> based on what the highest-numbered free-filename was, which in the above
> example would be '1', if resequencing was done after expiration.  I suppose
> it would be '2' if the renumbering was done before expiration.
> 
> Your approach does look safe, unless I've overlooked something...

Maybe I should write some documentation for that thing, huh? :) It's
a safe approach.. not a comprehensive one.. but safe and simple when
used properly. Except for the gentlemen who said it wiped out an
entire news directory..


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Ansi in 1.65...
Keywords: ANSI Terminal Screen I/O
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 08:57:50 EST
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063

kate@ponton.hanse.de (Katharina Baumann) writes:

> Well, maybe they like it, but what for? Look, Waffle 1.64 only
> gives ANSI-Colors on the console and nowhere else. That looks
> nice, but only the sysop will see it :). The "normal" ansi-mode,
> that allows you to make inverted lines, is easily to set up in
> the static-file. I think this will be the same with Waffle 1.65.

Actually, some of the problem is figured out thanks to George.
If a line of ANSI has a percent variable in it, Waffle will redirect
it out to the console via the ANSI driver if it is specified. So
if it doesn't, you could just append a ~%* to it. This works for
stuff under menus, text, and words. I have a nice set of color text
menus and they work fine. The exception are the two console menus...

Users online (I really want it for my BBS, I could care less about
locally...) also get the ANSI screens without any problem. However,
it seems that when one goes and starts reading news, Waffle resets
the color to the plain light grey again. One problem fixed, another
found. :-)  Guess that's life though...


 ---
 Christopher Horn           |  "We're all caught in a state of decay..."
 chorn@eastwind.mcds.com    |  The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063
From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Memory while logged in.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:42:28 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) writes:

> zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
> 
> > With DOS low and nothing special set, I had 290k.  With DOS High, and 
> > a couple of other minor things I had 315k, and now with my most recent
> > changes I have 390k free while logged in.
> > What do the rest of you have for free memory while logged in???
>      I've got 316,104 of the base 640K free-- I've got 2 MB total RAM.
> This includes a BUNCH of TSR's loaded high, including DOS5.0 command.com,
> share, print, smartdrv, qemm (6.02), and a few other generic TSR's.
> 
I got my Waffle boosted to 390k (of the base 640) by using the OS/2 DOS
session settings:  
          FILES                 20
          DOS HIGH              ON
          RESTRICT VIDEO        CGA
(and I dont' remember the others right off, but those are the key ones).
Since waffle is text based, CGA is fine (though shelling to DOS and running
a graphics based program isn't easy like it used to be :) ) and I still
have full color text abilities.  Funny thing.  CGA returned more memory
to Waffle than Monochrome.  I didn't test EGA, though VGA only left
315k free.

Greg


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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:51:21 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> dawson@morpheus.bssi.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:
> 
> > Methinks Kevin has overlooked this problem?
> 
> What problem? There isn't one as long as..
> 1] before unbatching, there are no duplicates in the directory
> 2] duplicates are removed immediately after unbatching, before
>    the articles can be read and batched.
> 
> > Let's suppose you have 1000 users, each of which is subscribed to all of
> > Usenet, plus a few alt groups, and maybe some local groups.  How about
> > 1000 lines per join file... gee, that's 1,000,000 lines to reset, each
> > time you resequence the articles.
> 
> You are looking too far downstream in the process and assuming there
> IS a problem. Let's take the example of a news directory containing
> the article numbers...

[ good, but incomplete example deleted to save a bit of space... ]

-----
Ok, let's have a counter example.  Supposing files are sorted by creation
date/time (as would apparently be the case with your technique).  Suppose
there were no new articles, and one was expired.  The users' join files
are now out of sync:

    Before unbatching : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
    After unbatching  : 1, 2, 3, 4

-----
Suppose there was one new article, and one was expired.  No change to the
users' join files, but it now points one too high:

    Before unbatching : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
    After unbatching  : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

> 
> > That sounds like a lot of work, and I believe is all really quite unnecessa
> 
> Sounds rather simple to me.

Too simple, maybe?  I think I'll just avoid re-sequencing my articles.
How does re-sequencing enhance the general operation of Waffle?

> 
> 
> --
> Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!slammer!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: WafHist, bang-paths to willard
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:57:01 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

Here's the "standard" document I formulated long ago to suggest possible
email routes to my site.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	UUCP paths to willard:

        gatech.edu!vdbsan!willard!dawson      <---- Preferred!
        emory.edu!slammer!willard!dawson      <---- next best.
        emory.edu!kd4nc!vdbsan!willard!dawson
        kd4nc.ampr.org!vdbsan!willard!dawson
        emory.edu!uumind!willard!dawson
        emory.edu!cowpas!willard!dawson
        tridom.com!wabwrld!willard!dawson
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Fake domain hacks:

        dawson@willard.uucp
        dawson%willard@gatech.edu
        dawson%willard@emory.edu
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Internet-X.400 gateway to my work account:

        /S=dawson/G=w/C=us/O=bsan/ADMD=bellsouth/@sprint.com
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    US domain, which gets routed through a VERY busy host (cowpas):

        dawson@willard.waffle.atl.ga.us       <---- pretty much DEAD last
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How's this for a sig with bang-path info?

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
{gatech,emory}!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:47:46 GMT

dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber) writes:
>dell@Apple.COM (Thomas E. Dell) writes:
>> Another thing I want to try is building an optional keyword index from
>> all articles on the system (either subject, full text, or both) and 
>> allow global searches.

Tom, how 'bout just doing what 'nn' does if it's possible under DOS.
nobody does it better.


-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
  I just upgraded to Quicken-for-Windows v2.0 and it's so darn great I'll
  never get rid of DOS...anybody got a Quicken-for-X11R5 ???