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From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: NFPA1500
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:21:04 GMT


On Tues. Aug. 26 Capt. Joe Page asks:

>Do you start the attack with two members on the attack line and
>one at the pump panel or do you wait?

Cap, that's the bare minimum for making entry  -  two on the line
and one engineer. Any less just is not safe at all! I know the
NFPA 1500 Minimum Staffing proponents want more personnel, and
I agree that if rescue is to be made or any work needs to be 
done (search, exposure of fire - involved areas, etc.) you need
more than two men in. The physical demands on them are too much.
You'll go down from the heat, stress, just plain exhaustion, or
use too much air to get back out.

I spent five years on an all - volunteer department, and I can
relate to the manpower problem. When your people are at work,
you get what you get for turnout. 

The last five years (and hopefully the next 20 or so) I'm on
a 30 - man fulltime department, and when we're at minimum
manning (due to vacations, IOD, etc.) we run two - man responses.
You'll have two pumps and a squad show up at a structure fire
and have six men. One is the incident commander, at least one
will operate a pump. Now, if the call is for a commercial
building or a known multi - story structure, one of the men
from the squad will drive the aerial truck. He operates it
when on the scene. So let's say the Holiday Inn (seven stories
here in Boardman) is on fire. Our initial response gets you
two pumps, a squad, a ladder, and two hosedraggers. BUT we'd
call (on pagers) the off - duty men, we havee about a dozen
paid-on-call responders, and we'd be calling for mutual aid.

I'm not sure who was better staffed! The volunteer FD I was
on actively recruited people able to respond during the day.
Look at public works people who may be able to get away from
their jobs for an emergency. Small business owners, funeral
directors, people who work night shift, college students.

But to get back to your question, two on an attack line is the
absolute minimum. And remember, in spite of what Hollywood has
the public thinking, your FIRST priority is NOT the safety of
is YOUR OWN SAFETY. If you go down you can't help anybody!

Stay in the shade :-)

-- 
When all is said and done, I'd                          Ed
rather be remembered for what
I've done than what I've said. - - - {Said by Ed!}
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Organization: Pro-Berks Inc.-Reading,Pa....The EMS Specialists...(215)929-4315
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:03:50 EST
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From:         "Kenneth P. Lager Jr." <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      The Man is back.
X-To:         emerg-l@vm.marist.edu

        I know I shouldn't put this message here, but it is for all the
people I left when I returned to Pittsburgh 4 long months ago.
        It's me, Ken Lager, and I am back for another year.  I just wanted
to let all those I talked to/at last year to know.

                        Bye for now!!

                                                        Ken Lager
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: username@GALLUA.BITNET (Allen Matthews)
Subject: Deaf Firefighter??
Organization: Gallaudet University, Washington, D.C.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:20:50 GMT


Hi...

     I need an honest opinion/feedback from experience firefighter
like you..   I want to avoid any kind of flames (I do not want to
use fire extinguisher  :-)  ). 

     Right now, I would like to be a volunteer firefighter.. The
only problem is that I am deaf.. I have hearing loss of 90dbs..
In order to get honest viewpoint or opinion, do not worry about
offended me because of my deafness..

     Can a deaf person become firefighter??  If so, what can he/she
do to help fellow firefighter without putting anyone in a dangerous
situtations..  Being a firefighter, I need to know how a deaf
person can fight fire or assist in whatever it need to be done..
I need to know how to deal with receiving orders, listening for the
evacuations sirens, or whatever..

     Does anyone have expierence in having a deaf firefighter??  I
know some hard of hearing people work as EMT?   I know there was
once a deaf firefighter trainee in P.G. county of Maryland..

                                   - Allen -

P.S. If you wish to send me a private e-mail, please send e-mail to
     MATTHEWS@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU..   We are having problem with
     our network e-mail...  Otherwise, post your comment to this
     newsgroup.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Allen Matthews - Supervisor, Computer Operation
Gallaudet University Computer Services, Washington, D.C. 

  Bitnet: FAMATTHEWS@GALLUA			(202) 651-5276 TDD
INTERNET: Famatthews@gallua.gallaudet.edu	(202) 651-5300 Voice/TDD
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: NFPA1500
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:55:30 GMT


Concerning the last paragraph in 3535, I meant to say that your
first priority is your own safety, NOT the safety of the public.
That's one of the first things they taught in Fire School.
If you get hurt not only can you not help anyone else, but you
become a potential problem for someone else, thus taking
someone else from their job. 
Sounds hard - nosed, I know, but it makes sense if you think
about it.

(Dont'cha HATE when you read back a message you wrote and some-
thing is messed up?)

-- 
When all is said and done, I'd                          Ed
rather be remembered for what
I've done than what I've said. - - - {Said by Ed!}
From: KAK6279@RITVAX.BITNET (KEN)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: "COPD and O2."
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:56:38 GMT
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Ok, guys.  I just finished up my NYS Basic EMT course about 15 days ago, and I
can remember the instructor telling us that a COPD patient can go on with high
flow oxygen for up to a "few hours" without loosing the drive.  From what we
were told, keep them on their own oxygen settings i0f they're on O2 at home and
there is no great distress and no need for additional O2.  But if there's any
doubt, or if the case would normally call for extra O2, give them the high
flow.  If anybody knows differently for NYS protocols, please tell us.  It
seems like this is a confusing issue all-around.

                                                FireMAN

        Just my $.002 worth!              "KAAAYYYY!"  (LS)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Kenneth A. Kirchoff       --     Henrietta Fire District
     CPU 1293                          Larchmont Mamaroneck Volunteer Amb.
     25 Andrews Memorial Drive          Town of Mamaroneck Vol. Fire Dept.
     KAK6279@ISC.RIT.EDU                 Certified Lifeguard

        "Time is an invaluable commodity, which I am unwilling to waste,
          but I sell it to RIT for $4.51 an hour!" (Damn college jobs!)
From: Karl.Hendry@f333.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Karl Hendry)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hurricane HELL !!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:55:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:280/333 - Sound Advice BBS, Gladstone MO


        Worked a shift tonight with a gal who has recently returned from
        Florida. Her husband is a FF/medic near Miami 'till the end of
        the month. He worked a relief shift in Miami yesterday and his
        accounts were horriffying!

        Apparrently he reported an outbreak oa typhoid, malaria, etc...
        Also he said many more people are dead than the media is saying.
        I heard "several hundred" in reference to this. Random murders
        and subsequent deaths from illness is also a major problem.

        This man is very conservitive and does not blow things out of
        proportion by nature.

        I'd like to know.. IS ALL THIS TRUE !?!?! and if so why is the
        media hiding and thereby delaying help to the area.

        Does anyone have info on this either confirming or denying these
        accounts? Heck if this is true let it be known in a hurry.

     H. Karl Hendry
 * DeLuxe*/386 1.12 #3884 * 


 

--  
Internet: Karl.Hendry@f333.n280.z1.fidonet.org
From: sc4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Cheng-Hsien Chiang)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Entry Level Fire Service Jobs
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:51:26 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well, from what my friend in FDNY told me, you have to pass the physical
and civil exam that's put out.  Then they call you for fire academy and
after you graduate, you get appointed to be a FF.  I don't have the
address for FDNY recruitment office handy, but all you need is a high
school diploma.

               /   /     Scott C. Chiang
              /   /      sc4e+@andrew.cmu.edu
             /   /
            /   /        NY AEMT, PA EMT-Mast, AHA Instructor
    \   \  /   /         Jamaica Estates Volunteer Ambulance Corp.
     \   \/   /          New York City Emergency Medical Service -- 94 Henry
      \  /\  /           Carnegie Mellon University Emergency Medical Service
       \/  \/            "I save lives, what do you do?"
From: andreas@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andreas (Andy) Spiegl)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: WANTED: cheap bike (Austin, TX)
Keywords: bike, cheap
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: andreas@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andreas (Andy) Spiegl)

Hi,

I am intensively looking for a cheap bike, that will do for just one
year. I just moved to Austin and will stay here until about Fall '93.

I am fairly tall (little less than 6') so that the bike would have to
be pretty big, also.

By 'cheap', I am talking about $50-$100.

Please send email or call (512) 474-2677.
Thank you,
 Andy.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Andreas (Andy) Spiegl, spiegl@cs.utexas.edu
CS Graduate Student at University of Texas at Austin
From: romeo@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: TIKS FOR SALE!-> Columbus->LA ROUNTRIP ONLY $130 EACH!!
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:36:54 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science


I have 2 roundtrip tickets for sale on Southwest Airlines for $130 each*

LEAVE Columbus, Ohio: Wed. Sept. 2nd, 4:35pm to Kansas City to LA
ARRIVE LAX: about 10:30pm

LEAVE LAX: Fri. Sept. 11th, 6:30am DIRECT FLIGHT to Columbus, Ohio

The two tickets have MALE names and if you're interested, I'll send
specific flight information.


-> THE DATES CAN BE CHANGED IF THE FLIGHT IS MADE BEFORE SEPT.13
-> THE TICKETS ARE ONLY $130.OO EACH ROUNDTRIP AND MUST GO!!
-> REPLY TO: romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu

					
*If you are interested, then please reply ASAP. The flight leaves THIS Wed.!!

							-Thanks
Xref: sparky misc.forsale:24686 chi.forsale:1344
From: lgm327@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (larry.g.mills)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,chi.forsale
Subject: Vacation Week
Keywords: vacation
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:51:51 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


FOR SALE: One Week Accommodations at MO Resort Hotel

A one week stay at "The Gold Key Club at the Spa of the Elms", a five-star
resort hotel located in Excelsior Springs, Missouri.  The unit is a one bedroom
hotel room (sleeps 4 adults with a fold-out bed), and is reserved between 
Sep. 11 - Sep. 18.   Below info is from hotel advertising:

"Vacation in classic style in a 19th-century resort and spa, surrounded by 23
wooded acres. On-site amenities include a restaurant, lounge, disco, indoor/
outdoor swimming pools, volleyball, shuffleboard courts, whirlpools, steam
rooms and saunas, private mineral baths, and exercise facilities. The
Excelsior Springs Golf Club, the Hall of Waters, and downtown Excelsior Springs
are nearby. Kansas City is a 20-minute drive away."

Price: 195 o.b.o.   

Contact:  Larry Mills   708-713-1345
lgm327@ihlpf.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Re: COMPLAINT LIST
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:44:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: castlerock.east.sun.com

In article 6797@clpd.kodak.com, kirkpatr@sparky.serum.kodak.com (Dan Kirkpatrick (x37370)) writes:
>
>
>Well here it is, the misc.forsale complaint list from the 
>NBBB (the Net Better Business Bureau).
>
I'd like to complain about this list! I hope you have sufficient legal backing
for this, just in case someone decides to sue for slander 8^)

>Fine print: I am not responsible for the accusations being placed here, 
>            just a messenger.
>
Wrong! by posting this information you are responsible for what is placed here!
This is not a flame... just a friendly warning... I've seen this type of thing before.

>If you are looking for action, this is all we can do here... but you can:
>"Take them to court".  Chances are they won't want to hassle with traveling
>to court and will be forced to pay you back plus the minor filing charge.

Just hope nobody decides to take YOU to court :^)

_______________________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroups: misc.forsale,ba.market.misc,rec.audio,su.market,alt.forsale
From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)
Subject: Sony AV receiver for sale $140 + shipping
Keywords: Sony receiver`
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 02:11:14 GMT

I have a Sony STR-AV710 audio/video receiver for sale.  It is about 2.5
years old and in perfect condition.  Features include: inputs for DAT,
CD, phono, tuner, tape 1, video 1, video 2...  Also has a five band
graphic equalizer with spectrum analyzer.  You can program in your
favorite FM and AM stations with four-letter identifications.  It
has Matrix Surround Sound (not Dolby).  It has a full remote with
over 60 buttons on it and it controls other Sony stuff like VCRs,
tape decks, and CD players.  It is not programmable, though.  It
has inputs for two sets of speakers.  I think it has 80 watts/channel
at 8 ohms, but don't quote me on that because I don't really remember.
All I know is that it can go really loud.  Selling because I'm
upgrading.  I paid $300 for it 2.5 years ago.  I will sell for $140
+ shipping.




Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib)
Subject: Korg DDD-1 drum machine for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:56:32 GMT
Keywords: korg musig midi ddd-1 for sale buy it

Hi there:

I have a Korg DDD-1 drum machine with a hard shell case that I would like to
sell.  It is in perfect conditions.

If you are interested make me an offer.  I will be accepting offers before
Sept 15.  The best offer takes it.  I pay ground shipping (you pay upgrade
to second or next day delivery).

Send bids to:

dib@ihlpe.att.com
or reply this posting.

Richard Dib
AT&T BL

PS  I reserve the right not to sell the keyboard if all offers are too low.

Newsgroups: misc.forsale,comp.sys.mac.hardware,austin.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: mallory@cactus.org (Eric M. Mallory)
Subject: Mac Plus (accelerated) and external HD 4 $ale
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:05:57 GMT

Greetings;

I have the following systems for sale. The discussion of uses for
Mac 512s still being unresolved, I offer the following for use as
paperweights, fishtank, or whatever suits your fancy:

2 Mac Plus (Platnum) w/ 1 meg RAM (I can get you more if yo need it.)
	Asking:	$400	(I've seen them for sale in the books for $450)

1 Mac Plus (Platnum) w/ 4 meg RAM and a Total Systems 030 16Mhz
	accelerator. At least I think its 16Mhz, it might be 25.
	The accelerator cost me $600 at the beginning of the year.
	Asking:	$800

1 40 MB external drive. I took this out of a MacII when I upgraded and
	put it in a brand new external encasing ($100)
	Asking: $200

1 80 MB external drive. Bought 6 months ago.
	Asking $300 
	
I'd prefer to sell this stuff together, but let's see what kind
of responces I get.

Happy aquating:
eric

Home (512) 835-4738 - never there
Work (512) 343-4206 - try here during the day.
From: eugenehs@aludra.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Airline Ticket for sale : LAX to PORTLAND
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:52:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I am posting this for a friend.

Information concerning this ticket for sale is as follows:

One Way Ticket on August 30th from Los Angeles to Portland, Oregon.

All (any) offers reasonable accepted.

Please contact :
	Michael   at  (213) 746 9411

	or reach him via E-mail at :

	sherburn@aludra.usc.edu

____________________________________________________________________
-- 
Eugene P. Hsu 
eugenehs@aludra.usc.edu			eph3205@ultb.rit.edu
Univeristy of Southern California	Rochester Institute of Technology
Electrical and Biomedical Engineering 	a.k.a. H  E  U  G  E
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: rosema@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Keith Rosema)
Subject: 1985 MASERATI BITURBO 
Summary: 1985 MASERATI BITURBO for SALE
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:52:55 GMT

1985 Maserati Biturbo for Sale $11,500

Beautiful Black with red stripe, leather interior
Clean and runs >FAST>  New tires, power windows, locks,
etc.  A/C inop.  

Just turned 25 and I can't afford insurance on this 
thing any longer >sigh<.  You like? Mail to:

rosema@think.jpl.nasa.gov
or phone 818-797-4213
From: dbritton@anita.ics.uci.edu (David Britton)
Subject: FOR SALE SupraFAXModem PLUS, $100 firm
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:53:37 GMT
Distribution: us

9600bps Send/Receive Fax plus 2400bps Modem with V.42bis &
MNP 2-5.  Comes with power supply, Mac cable, Fax stf fax
software + 2.2.0 upgrade, Microphone 1.6 modem software, phone cord, and
original sales receipt.  You get everything that I got when I bought it.

The unit is in EXCELLENT CONDITION.  I bought it less than 7
months ago from the Mac Zone for $199 + $5 shipping.  I'm
selling it because I decided to spend the extra cash for a
SupraFAXModem V.32bis.  I'm a student and as a consequence,
always in a hurry.

You pay the shipping.  I'll send the unit C.O.D. (that's CASH on
delivery) or you can send a money order in advance for $100 + shipping.
Everything is boxed and ready to ship, weighs about 5 lbs.

I'm in Irvine, CA  92715.

--
David R. Britton Jr.
dbritton@ics.uci.edu
ICS Graduate Student, UC Irvine

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From: n3hnr@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Jason Galanter)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,pa.forsale,alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: TIE 820 Phone system for sale or trade
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:44:47 GMT
Followup-To: misc.forsale
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: n3hnr@hpb.cis.pitt.edu

I have a TIE 820 phone system for sale.  It includes the following
components:


TIE 820 Series-4 KSU
1 ETSU-D Series-3
1 EICU-B Series-4
4 ESTU-C Series-2
1 ESTU-A Series 5
1 ECMU-D Series-5
1 EDTU-A Series-4
2 ECOU-C Series 3
TIE 820 Power supply unit
14 W-820 Telephone sets
1 1236 Display console


The power cable that connects the KSU to the Power supply is missing,
however I assume that this is probably one of the least expensive
components of the system.  No reasonable offer refused.


Contact Jason @ n3hnr@hpb.cis.pitt.edu or 412-521-6042

-- 
Jason Galanter / N3HNR      | n3hnr@hpb.cis.pitt.edu 
322 Mall Blvd., Suite 306   | galanter+@pitt.edu 
Monroeville, PA 15146       | 
(412)521-6042               | * How's that for an information-only .sig? 
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: misha@ninja.csuohio.edu (Misha Rekhson)
Subject: GOOD CAR FOR SALE (86 Nissan 200SX XE from California)
Keywords: car,forsale,automobile
Organization: AMC at Cleveland State University, Cleveland
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:35:14 GMT


GOOD CAR FOR SALE


86 Nissan 200SX XE hatchback,  Hot Red (California Car - no rust!)
5 spd, AC, AM/FM/Cassette, Remote Alarm, Power Windows,  2 New tires,
           1 owner. Very clean. 86K (95% freeway)

              Looks/runs great. $4200

call (216) 687-5283 (10am-7pm) or e-mail to misha@ninja.csuohio.edu
-- 

Misha Rekhson                       Cleveland State University, Ohio
misha@ninja.csuohio.edu             (216) 687-5283
From: duer@work.berkeley.edu (David Duer)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: BASEBALL CARD SALE: EXTENDED SETS
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:39:47 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu

                        =================
                        DAVE'S AUCTION #1 - UPDATE, THURS, 10 AM
                        =================

AUCTION of BASEBALL UPDATED, TRADED, AND EXTENDED SETS.  The 
minimum bid is listed, and the High Sept. Beckett price is noted.  

The auction will run from August 28 through Friday, September 4, 
3:30 p.m. PDT.  High bidders, and bidders who are out-bid, will 
be notified of their "progress".  Minimum bid increase is 50 cents.

ALL SALES ARE GUARANTEED.  The cards are at least NM.  They all 
are factory sets, but not sealed (except for the 89 UD set).  If 
you are unhappy for any reason, return the set in the condition 
received for a full refund.   Postage/shipping is included in the 
winning bid.


LOT                                 BECKETT   MIN. BID   HIGH BID

==
#1  1986 FLEER UPDATE SET             $30       $16        $20
==    (132 cards - XRC for Bonds,                           (LZ)
      Bonilla, Sierra, Clark, Kruk)


==
#2  1986 TOPPS TRADED SET             $25       $14        $23
==    (132 cards - XRC for Bonds,                           (RF)
      Bonilla, Canseco, Clark, Bo)


==
#3  1988 TOPPS TRADED SET             $35       $21        $23
==    (132 cards - XRC for Alomar,                          (BM)
      Abbott, Benes, Gant, Ventura,
      and Olympic sub-set)


==
#4  1988 TOPPS TRADED SET              $35      $21        $25
==    (same as #3)                                          (JH)


==
#5  1989 UPPER DECK, HIGH NUMBER SET   $14      $ 9        $12
==    (#701-800 - RC for Abbott, Zeile)                     (MC)



         ***  SPECIAL ADDED ATTRACTION  ***

==
#6  1990 UPPER DECK LOW NUMBER WAX BOX  n/a     $22
==    Factory sealed.


E-MAIL TO:  duer@hera.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: ron@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Viegelahn)
Subject: R/C airplane for sale
Reply-To: ron@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Viegelahn)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:31:54 GMT

 
 
   I have a Radio controlled airplane that I would like to sell.
 It's a SIG KADET, trainer type aiplane. Has about a 5 ft wing 
 span, has been built for 4 channel system... ie rudder,elevator,
 airlerons and throttle.
  Takes a .35 engine,mounts are drilled for a O.S. Max .35. This
 is a good flying plane. I learned to fly with this plane and now
 I'm building something else. It has never been crashed!!
 
  It's yellow with red trim. Please note that this ad is just for
 the airplane alone, does not enclude engine and radio gear. I'm
 keeping those things for future use. asking $100.00
 
 
 
 
                                   ron@etcheshop.Berkeley.EDU

                                   (510)642-4971 W
                                   (707)557-5671 H