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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: or
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:52:47 GMT

randyg@pogo.wv.tek.com (Randy Gibbons;6853178;63-356;LP=A;P0fG) writes:

>I sent something to Edward on this but now that I think about it, it seems 
>worth posting to the net.  If Edward feels the ticked was unfair then this
>may be worth pursuing.  If on the other hand he was speeding then why even
>ask?  If the speeding ticket was a consequence of his actions, then accept it.
>Why is there such a strong tendency to avoid the consequences of our actions?

Just a thought . . . could be a carryover from childhood.  The ticket and fine
is punishment, and typically we all don't like to be punished.

allen
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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:03:36 GMT

us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:

>In my opinion, many of the times a cop pulls someone over is in hopes of
>finding something else like a drunk driver.  Speeding gives the cop and
>excuse to check on you.  IF you were speeding and are sober and polite,
>you may not be what the officer was looking for and his/her time
>would be better spent elsewhere.  I think this is especially true
>between 10pm and early morning hours.

I agree with this.  I know a guy who's a cop and he told me that
they arrest an awful lot of people for other offenses after pulling
them over for run-of-the-mill traffic violations.  Cops can pull you
over for as little as having a headlamp burned out.  Then they can run
your driver's license and auto tag to check for outstanding warrants
and/or stolen vehicle, etc.  Maybe they'll see something in the car
that's illegal.  Basically, getting pulled over for the littlest
thing subjects you to a lot of scrutiny, even if you don't know it.

In my short driving experience (6 years), I've been pulled over twice
for burned out lights (this is uncanny, really; both times were right
after the damn bulb burned out and my dash light came on), once for
making a u-turn, once for driving in the breakdown lane (to get to an
exit in stopped traffic), once for changing lanes at a stop light, and
four times for speeding.  Every time I've gotten away with warnings.
Plus, I've called the police once to report stolen plates and once to get
me into my locked car.  That makes eleven times in 6 years that the cops
have run my license and registration to see if I'm clean.  Most of that
stuff happened in my teenage years, of course.  You might think I was
lucky to get away with all thoe violations, but I think what got me off
was showing a little respect and giving very little BS.

The FOP badge on the bumper probably helped, too.  :^)

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: houston@ee.ualberta.ca (Cory Houston)
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:26:42 GMT

mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.025221.503@news.columbia.edu> eew1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh) writes:
>>My friend just got a ticket saying he was doing 77 mph on a 65mph zone.
>>However, the ticker also has a written error: the date of the speeding
>>incident was written down as Dec 2, 1993, instead of Jan 2, 1993 -- the
>>cop wrote a ticket for an event in the future.  Does he have a case in 
>>court or should he just plead guilty and pay the fine?
>>
A couple ofyears ago I got a ticket from a cop who put the wrong lisence
plte number down. I was switching the registration over from my
parents, and was required to get new plates. I put the new plates behind
the seat, intending to change them when the weather warmed up. The
cop copied down the lisence number off the plate, not the pink slip,
so I went to court and got it thrown out!!! The judge said he couldn't
be sure that my truck was the actual vehicle the officer clocked,
even though I never left his sight!!!

As far as your case, there is no way they can convict you.


Cory Houston
houston@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:01:26 GMT

From article <1993Jan4.143506.26328@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, by c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos):
> In article <1hud7jINNb7v@meaddata.meaddata.com> dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely) writes:
>>The all-time tasteless bumper sticker award goes to:
>>	"Protect American Jobs, Buy American Made"
>>
>>It was on the back of a Toyota Corolla!
>>
>>This is absolutely true!
> 
> Even better. I have a neighbor with four toyotas in his house (late 80's
> camry, a 90's celica, a landcruiser, and a truck) and all four have
> a US flag in the same identical spot. The guy also has an American flag
> flying permanently mounted in front of his home (he bought a model home
> with a decent flag pole)...
> 
> He recently traded one of the toyota's for another new one, and it also
> has a US flag on it...
> 
> Spiros
> -- 
> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
> Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
> GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

And if Americans mindlessly bought American cars, how many automobile
manufacturers would be pushing quality and value today?

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From: gould@pilot.njin.net (Brian Jay Gould)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Looking for road rallies in NJ or Eastern PA.
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:41:31 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have driven in one road rally about a year ago and had
a blast.  Even though I was in an old Toyota against a
couple dozen big $$$ cars with rally computers.

We won a trophy for novice class.

Anyone know where I can call/write to enter more?

Please reply via e-mail.  Thanks.
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:42:05 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>As far as criminalization goes, they have an 800-number here.
>All someone has to do is take your tag, call it in, and you
>get a ticket. Even better than photo radar... Be kind to your
>fellow man, or he may scream "Witch!", and point at you...

...whereupon I'd contest it in court.  Your accusor has to show up
too, right?

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:17:38 GMT

In article <1if8a3INNh7@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>I'd be surprised (No, I can't prove this) if HOV lanes don't
>actually make things worse, in terms of pollution and gen-
>eral misery in urban areas.

They are completely counter to common sense in traffic engineering.

As implemented here in the SF Bay area, HOV lanes cause various
problems:
 - artificial bottlenecks where HOV lanes replace normal traffic lanes
(e.g. northbound I 280 at SR 17/I 880 in San Jose), forcing drivers to
merge THEN move into the HOV lane;
 - high speed differentials between adjacent lanes.

>I know the idea is to encourage carpooling, alternative tran-
>sport, etc., but HOV seems like a really poorly thought out
>ram-it-down-their-throats solution to me...

Agreed.  I believe HOV lanes were a solution forced on the local
highway authorities by the "Green" gang.  Imagine if you will that
the, uh, Tehachapi Club will object to any highway project that
increases the total number of lanes available to the heaviest users,
one-person-per-car commuters.  As a compromise solution, the highway
authorities agree to restrict the added lanes to HOVs.  The "Greens"
win the battle, but lose the war, because not only are those lanes
available outside commute hours, but traffic is still bogged down
during commute hours, producing more smog than necessary; and yet more
land is paved over.  Meanwhile the poor commuter is still stuck in a
jam, and now has to deal with HOVs drifting across his path.  The HOVs
face dangerous transitions between the jammed normal lanes and other
HOVs moving at high speed.  The only clear winner is the contractor
that builds the new lanes!

The right answer is not the big stick of HOV lanes and fines ("Change
your commuting habits OR ELSE!"), but the carrots of improved mass
transit, and incentives to developers to locate work sites intermingled
with shopping and housing.  The issue is not so much one of highway
policy as it is land use policy.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: 2500 miles and still going
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:23:36 GMT

This past 2 weeks. I've done 3 major trips (8xx miles each) on a good
deal of rural interstate

I-10  Tucson, AZ  to Deming, NM  (Both Ways)
I-25  Denver, CO  to Hatch,  NM  (Both Ways)
I-70  Levant, KS  to Limon,  CO
I-80  Iowa City, IA to Kearney, NB

and the connecting state highways.  Some observations...

Traffic runs at from 75 to 85 depending on the route
The ruraler the road, the better people are at keeping right or
    observing another car coming and moving to the right.
It is absolutely no fun driving the last 156 miles of an 850 mile trip
   in a blinding snow storm
Best facial expression:
     4 young kids standing by a spun out red sedan watching the
     highway patrol car go past them without even slowing down
     (officer was on way to a rollover 6 miles up the road) 
Hardest decision:
	when said patrol car was coming up behind me, whether to stay
	in the right lane or take to the 4-6 inches of slush on the
	shoulder to make way.  Resolution was to first ask on the CB,
	get no response, and then let the patrol car go to the hammer
	lane and slow way down so it didn't have to stay out there.
Dumbest move:
	unidentified motorist stopping in the left lane after a car
	had spun out and blocked the right lane (this at the bottom of
	a long hill)
-- 

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on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:48:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1993Jan5.140126.7370@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>> Even better. I have a neighbor with four toyotas in his house (late 80's
>> camry, a 90's celica, a landcruiser, and a truck) and all four have
>> a US flag in the same identical spot. The guy also has an American flag
>> flying permanently mounted in front of his home (he bought a model home
>> with a decent flag pole)...
>> 
>> He recently traded one of the toyota's for another new one, and it also
>> has a US flag on it...
>
>And if Americans mindlessly bought American cars, how many automobile
>manufacturers would be pushing quality and value today?

My article said nothing about being pro- or anti- American car; but 
apparently even the use of the two words (American and car) in the
same sentence is sufficient to generate strong emotions from some 
people. 

If you want to go a bit further on my example of who puts American
flags in the back of their cars, how about all the "I support our 
troops" stickers I see plastered on many imports? 

But the furthest is the fact (I saw it in the auto press a long time
back) is that perhaps the largest group (by percentage) of people driving
imports is people in the armed forces, where the magazine quoted an almost
50% import ratio. 

I have no problem with any of the above three. It is just that *I*, in
*my* own little mind, find them amusing. If you do find them amusing
as well, well, laugh with me. If you don't, too bad... feel free to
laugh AT me. But I did not write the article(s) to start or continue
another 'US vs. imports' war...

Spiros
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GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:40:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:

> >Or my favorite:  I don't know, my speedometer only goes to 85.
> >I got the ticket, but it got a good laugh from the cop! :-)
> 
> One of my favorite driving sights: a Porche with an 85 mph speedometer
> (this was 10 years ago; I guess the government required them at the time).
> The speedometer was broken because the driver had gone too fast.

I Dunno if you ca really break them like that. We tried. :)

A friend of mine has a 928, lives in Northern NJ. We went to a
conference in Alexandria, VA. Under 3 hours, point to point.

He had one of those ridiculous 85mph speedos.. Needless to say, 11
seconds after we hit the Jersey Turnpike, it disappeared into the
dashboard, and we didn't see it again 'till we hit Delaware.


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4x4 owners do it in the mud. And snow. And dirt. And rocks. Kinky, huh?
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Oxygenated gas
Keywords: Worse Mileage??
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:12:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

Hi...

Has anyone else noticed that they get worse fuel mileage from
the "oxygenated" fuel sold near major metropolitan areas?

I seem to be getting about 40 miles less per tankful in my
truck (down from 210 to about 170), on about 12 gallons of
gas. That's a 19% decrease in my fuel mileage, which means
I have to eat up 19% more fuel to get to and from work now.
Add to that the added cost (about a dime a gallon), up from
$1.25 to $1.35/Gal.

I wonder how much this new fuel decreases emissions, because
if it's less than 23.8%, the net effect is more pollution, and
more expense to the consumer, at least in my case.

Are you folks seeing similar results?

-- Mike
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From: tom@varian.com (tom cao)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:36:32 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

>However, the ticker also has a written error: the date of the speeding
>incident was written down as Dec 2, 1993, instead of Jan 2, 1993 -- the
>cop wrote a ticket for an event in the future.  Does he have a case in 
>court or should he just plead guilty and pay the fine?
	use your common sense, if you were the judge would you dismiss this
	case?
	the error has to be relevant to the violation such as you were 
driving a vintage Honda civic barely capable of 60 MPH but the officer
wrote that you drove a flashy Lamborghini!
From: khann@ecf.toronto.edu (KHAN NAJEEB MOHAMMED)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Winter wipers or normal ones -any difference?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:19:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

The subject says it all.  At speeds above 100 km/h my wipers
do not work very well.  Do I need new wipers or do I need to install
something like the fins that push the blades to the windshield.

Winter blades are on sale right now.  They are half the price of normal
ones.  What do I do?

Thanks in advance.

Najeeb
P.S.  Please reply by email.

-- 

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From: arnief@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Arnie Frisch)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:51:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <tom.11@varian.com> tom@varian.com (tom cao) writes:
>>However, the ticker also has a written error: the date of the speeding
>>incident was written down as Dec 2, 1993, instead of Jan 2, 1993 -- the
>>cop wrote a ticket for an event in the future.  Does he have a case in 
>>court or should he just plead guilty and pay the fine?

I once got a ticket for driving a car that made too much noise.

I supplied the judge with a letter from the dealer that said the car
(one year old) was stock, and that it made the same amount of noise
when it came out of the showroom - it was legal.

The judge said the letter was heresay because the dealer wasn't in
court.

At this point I knew he was a $#@%!, so I challenged him by claiming
the law was unconstitutionally vague, because it didn't specify either
the noise level that was legal/illegal, or how it should be measured.
He backed off, and found me innocent.

However, the police didn't like the result, and I was stopped and
harrassed a week later by a cop who was in court when I beat the rap.

Bottom line:  It depends upon the judge and how he feels about the
situation.  And even if you win, you might wind up losing!


Arnold Frisch
Tektronix Laboratories
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From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:09:01 GMT

worden@bouncer.nsc.com (Dennis Worden) writes:

>In article <58183@dime.cs.umass.edu>, kim@themis.cs.umass.edu (JOHN B. KIM) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec31.213618.4042@island.COM> jennifer@island.COM (J.S.Jackson - Dances with Nerds) writes:
>|> 
>|> If you tell the officer, "No, I don't know how fast I was going."
>|> then you run the risk of him assuming you weren't paying attention.
>|> 
>The problem with saying that you don't know how fast you were going is
>that you have just eliminated any defense in court.  The first thing the
>officer will say under oath is that he asked you how fast you were going,
>and that you answered that you didn't know.  When you testify, you either
>admit lying to the officer (frowned upon by the courts) or you admit to
>lying in court.  If you want to play it tough, you can answer that you 
>do know how fast you were going, but don't tell him.  This usually develops
>into a number of interesting and varying responses depending upon the
>officer.

If you're going to lie in court about how fast you were going why wouldn't
you lie about what you said to the officer?
Mark B.
From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:16:53 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: geronimo.meaddata.com

I think cops probably get pretty sick of people lying about the speeds 
they were going... I would either say "I don't know" or at least answer 
semi-honestly.

When you consider the BS cops are fed when they pull most people over,
I think the only way to get them to be lenient is to not give them a reason
to think you are just another punk wasting their time.  I think they can
sense butt kissing a mile away too, so I don't bother trying that.
I've been pulled over for speeding about 7 times and have gotten 3 tickets, 
so I'm not too unhappy with those odds.

Besides, when it comes to contesting tickets, who has the time?  As long
as you aren't in danger of losing your license, pay the ticket and get
on with you life.  Of course, my insurance company may be more lenient 
in Ohio then some are in states like NJ, NY, and CA where insurance is 
hidiously expensive, so your mileage may vary.

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From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:29:30 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

In article <1993Jan5.025221.503@news.columbia.edu> eew1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu  
(Edward E Walsh) writes:
> My friend just got a ticket saying he was doing 77 mph on a 65mph zone.
> However, the ticker also has a written error: the date of the speeding
> incident was written down as Dec 2, 1993, instead of Jan 2, 1993 -- the
> cop wrote a ticket for an event in the future.  Does he have a case in 
> court or should he just plead guilty and pay the fine?

Somebody earlier wrote about using your common sense regarding whether or
not a judge would dismiss the violation.  Think about the mistake the
officer made:

	1/2/93 vs. 12/2/93

The mistake seems as if he added an extra 2 and put the slash/hyphen/whatever
in the wrong place.

--
If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because 
maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you 
because, hey, free dummy.

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: kasab@luther.che.wisc.edu (John J. Kasab)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:53:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: kasab@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <...> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>
>>In my opinion, many of the times a cop pulls someone over is in hopes of
>>finding something else like a drunk driver.  Speeding gives the cop and
>>excuse to check on you.  [...]
>
>I agree with this.  I know a guy who's a cop and he told me that
>they arrest an awful lot of people for other offenses after pulling
>them over for run-of-the-mill traffic violations.  Cops can pull you
>over for as little as having a headlamp burned out.  Then they can run
>your driver's license and auto tag to check for outstanding warrants
>and/or stolen vehicle, etc.  

Actually, my understanding is that you can be pulled over by the police
for a license and registration check at any time.  Of course, not that many
cops do this, since it's a hassle for everyone involved, but the L&R check
is the minimum "excuse" an officer needs.

JK
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