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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2907

                         Tuesday, September 01, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                        Re: BRS: INVASION OF PRIVACY
                             Charcot Marie Tooth
                           Re: Air Travel Booklet
        Is education preparing Special Needs Students for the Future?
               a new Communication Disorder list for students
                                 About CETH
                               On Signing....
                                Deaf Culture
                              Re: Attagirl!!!!
                             Re: On Signing....


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Subject: Re: BRS: INVASION OF PRIVACY
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 LL> All operators are covered under strict confidentiality
 LL> rules, and at least at the company I work for (Bell
 LL> Atlantic), operators would be fired if they break that
 LL> confidentiality.  It doesn't happen often, but when it
 LL> does, everyone knows about it (the firing, I mean.)

Leti, the confidentiality rules don't only apply to the
operators, they apply to the service representations as
well as others who have access to phone records.  I had
high access to residential and business records since
I processed orders whether they were establishing new
accounts, disconnecting service or simply making changes.
I used to work for SWBT and then went with AT&T where
we handled all accounts in Oklahoma and Arkansas.

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Subject: Charcot Marie Tooth
From: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <24003@handicap.news>, Mark.Dawson@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
writes...
>Index Number: 24003
>
>I am writing (typing) from the Easter Seal building in Toronto, and
>have just finished speaking to a parent of a child with Charcotte
>Merrytooth Disease.  ANYONE who can provide some information about

I assume you are referring to Charcot Marie Tooth disease.  I saw
two posts directing you to information sources in Canada.  You should
also contact the Muscular Dystrophy Association.  CMT is a form of
muscular dystrophy, and there is a great deal of research funded by
the MDA conducted in Canada, USA and Europe.

I hope this helps.  Because I can seldom mail directly to fidonet accounts,
I am also posting this response to usenet.
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     MacRae                  |       Darting dragonfly...
                             | Pull off its shiny wings and look...
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Subject: Re: Air Travel Booklet
From: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)

In article <23980@handicap.news>, ronald@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
(Ronald Amundson) writes...

>United says that it will return wheelchairs to passengers at the gate
>only at the final destination or when there is more than 90 minutes
>between connecting flights.  That is, if you have to change planes and

The policy that I have encountered is that the airlines will not
guarantee that your chair will make it on the next flight if you
have less than some fixed ammount of time between flights.  The
time varies differs with different airlines.  I can't speak for
anyone else, of course, but I feel much more comfortable about my
chair making the flight with me if I ride it to the gate and watch
one of the baggage loaders take it from the jetway.  It has always
been my policy to insist on this method and none of the airlines
have yet refused.  Also, the time periods I remember have been more
like 45 to 60 minutes between domestic flights.  I have flown
United, Continental, American, Delta and several of their commuter
subsidiaries, mostly within the continental US and the carribean.

Greg
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                             |                      -Anon.
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Subject: Is education preparing Special Needs Students for the Future?
From: BRICKEYJ@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Jean Brickey)

[Note from Bill McGarry: Jean sent this article to me with the
 following note:
Bill would you post the following for me on L-HCAP and on Blink
Talk.  Silent Talk and any other list you know of for deaf people.
I have my opinions about the answer to this problem, but I want to
know what others think.  The reason I want opinions from others is
that in Virginia there is a movement in the Department of Education
to close the residential schools entirely.  There are some strong
opinions both for  and against this idea.  I would like to know
what others think.  I know what rehabilitation counselors in our
state think, and have some information alreadyk but the more ideas
we have the better prepared we are for dealing with the issues that
will come up in our state this January.   Thanks Bill.]


[Beginning of article]

What is happening to our visually impaired and deaf students.
In the last month I have had the opportunity to talk to many people
that work with visually impaired and deaf people.  The people I have
talked to work as counselors, educators and one is the superintendent of
a school for the deaf and blind.  In every conversation the same thing
has come up.  What has happen to the education of these students in our
country today.  The thing I kept hearing is they are not prepared to go
out into the world and cope after high school.  Over and over again I
am asked what I think the problem is.  The answer has to go to education.
What has happened over the last fifteen years that effects the education
of special needs children.  To be perfectly honest mainstreaming has
been the key change.  Mainstreaming in theory is a good concept, but in
practice it is not working.  There are several reasons it is not
working.

1.  Teachers lack the special training needed to assist and teach
    special needs children.  If a teacher has the special training, they
    do not have the opportunity to use it every year.  A teacher may get
    a deaf or blind child one year, and not get another child with these
    special needs for five to ten years.  When you don't use your
    training, it gets rusty.
2.  Parents often are over protective and the child is never allowed to
    participate in the social activities at the school.  The child never
    gets involved in clubs, sports, school dances and other activities.
3.  Social promotion.  Students are socially promoted and though there is
    some merit to social promotion, to do it all the time is detrimental
    to the student.  Allowing any child be it special needs children or
    "normal" children to go through school without being able to read or
    write or gain any mathematical abilities is what is wrong with our
    young students today.  The United States has more illiterate people
    then most of the other countries in the world.  Not because we cannot
    teach them, but because we allow them to go on through school and
    never get the basic skills needed to function in a technically
    advanced society.
4.  Itinerate teaching.  There is no way an itinerate teacher can teach
    a blind child braille, or a deaf child to sign and read by being
    with that child two or three days a week.  We don't teach our
    "normal" student to read or speak by working with them a few days
    a week.  The "normal" child gets these skills taught on a daily
    basis.  This is not a knock on the intemperate teacher, they are
    doing the best they can with the student load and time they have.
5.  Acceptance among peers.  Lets be honest, ADA cannot legislate
    attitudes.  Though some people readily accept a blind or a deaf
    child or a retarded or mobility impaired child, the majority of
    society still has problems interacting with special needs people.
    There is a lot to say for being among your peers.
6.  Money.  It is expensive to provide all the special things a
    special needs child should have for a good rounded education
    Special equipment that should be used with these students costs
    and few school systems can afford the equipment for one or two
    children.
7.  Many teachers do not want to work with a special needs child in
    their classroom.  I know of teachers that resent having a special
    needs child in their class.  This is not true for all teaches is
    true for enough of our nations teachers which hinders the
    success of mainstreaming.

What I have been asked over and over by counselors and even the
superabundant of a residential school is one question.  What is the
answer for this problem?  I have my own ideas on what would work,
but I would like to know what others think.   I would really like to know
what the rest of you think is happening to our special needs students
today.  Should residential schools be closed and forgotten about?  Is
mainstreaming preparing students for the future?  What are your thoughts
on a least restrictive environment.

Just so you know I am visually impaired and have attended both a
public school before mainstreaming and a residential school.
I have also attended college before and after 504 was passed.  After
504 was passed I had the opportunity to substitute for a school system
for two years, and still have contact with teachers and principals that
deal with these problems on a daily basis.


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Subject: a new Communication Disorder list for students
From: ACARUSO%KENTVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Anthony Caruso)

[Note from Bill McGarry: This is from the COMMDIS mailing list]

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***   A * N * N * O * U * N * C * E * M * E * N * T   ***

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A new list for undergrad/grad majors in communication disorders--


Name:           CDMAJOR

Listserv:       KENTVM

Owner:         Anthony J. Caruso
               Associate Professor
               School of Speech Pathology & Audiology
               Kent State University

=================================================================


CDMAJOR is a list specifically designed for students (undergrads or
grads) whose major is communication disorders, or other students
majoring in related professions.  The purposes of CDMAJOR are to:
(1) acquaint students in communication disorders with telecomputing;
(2) encourage discussion by students on topics within the profession
that effect them (e.g., changes in ASHA certification requirements);
(3) stimulate discussion on academic issues in communication
disorders; and (4) serve a forum for student research in
communication disorders.

It is hoped that this list will serve to stimulate student interest in e-
mail and other aspects of telecomputing as well as serve as a medium
for student discussion on clinical, professional and research issues in
our profession.  Perhaps providing a list specifically designed for
STUDENTS will ultimately facilitate further application of
telecomputing in communication disorders.

Please encourage your students to subscribe to CDMAJOR for open
discussions on student-related issues in communication disorders. To
subscribe, send the following to LISTSERV AT KENTVM :

         SUB CDMAJOR YOUR FULL NAME



Thank you for your consideration.
                --Tony Caruso ===> ACARUSO@KENTVM




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Subject: About CETH
From: CETH@zodiac.rutgers.edu

[Forwarded by Patt Bromberger <patt@squid.tram.com>]

The Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities was established
in October 1991 by Rutgers and Princeton Universities with
external support from the Mellon Foundation and the National
Endowment for the Humanities.  It is intended to become a
national focus of interest in the U.S. for those who are involved
in the creation, dissemination and use of electronic texts in the
humanities, and it will act as a national node on an
international network of centers and projects which are actively
involved in the handling of electronic texts.  Developed from the
international inventory of machine-readable texts, which was
begun at Rutgers in 1983 and is held on RLIN (the Information
Network of the Research Libraries Group), the Center is now
reviewing the records in the inventory and continues to catalog
new texts.  The acquisition and dissemination of text files to
the community will be another important activity, concentrating
on a selection of good quality texts which can be made available
over Internet with suitable retrieval software and with
appropriate copyright permission.  The Center also acts as a
clearinghouse on information related to electronic texts,
directing enquirers to other sources of information.


Center for Electronic Texts 		phone:	  (908) 932-1384
in the Humanities			fax:	  (908) 932-1386
169 College Avenue			bitnet:	  ceth@zodiac
New Brunswick, NJ 08903			internet: ceth@zodiac.rutgers.edu






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Subject: On Signing....
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 ML> Again, I guess I did not make myself clear.  I have been learning sign
 ML> for almost a year now.  I am continuously frustrated because my  sign
 ML> vocabulary does not match my English vocabulary.

Morgan, apparently you are learning ASL and ASL does not fully use
English.  You would need to either use SEE (Signed Exact English)
or Pidgin which is midway between ASL and SEE.

I found it very difficult to use ASL because I wanted to sign
every word that I use with English.  I also feel it is best to
start off learning with SEE so one will learn the English language
first.  So many deaf people who sign do not comprehend the English
language and so many of them as a result of using ASL, even write
in ASL.

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Subject: Deaf Culture
From: Jim.Brown@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Brown)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/98 - The SCAM, Rockledge FL


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LG>Then I am supposed to be a willing victim to
LG>crime, because that is "Black culture", and I am supposed to spend my hard
LG>earned money supporting another woman's illegitimate children, because it is
LG>"white" to work or to get married.  What kind of sense does this make?

This, of course, makes no sense what-so-ever.  I think you have to apply
concepts of universal truths.  By that I mean certain things are
universally accepted -- murder is wrong, for exapmple.  Nothing in a
culture should be accepted if it harms someone else.

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Subject: Re: Attagirl!!!!
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 AS> I have taken sign language (found it a bit difficult using
 AS> ASL because I think in English since it is my first language
 AS> and thus want to use SEE - instructor didn't much like that!
 AS>  :-)) and have had any folks tell me they are taking sign
 AS> language because it fascinates them, not because they want
 AS> to communicate with those who use it.

Ret and I have taken two (college level) sign language classes,
Annie. And while I can assure you we were NOT there because of
the "Mystery" of it, there were several with that motivation.

In some ways Ret had an easier time of it than I did, since
English is her second language.  Or maybe she is just brighter
than I am.  (After all, she DID marry me :-)

But I digress.  The point of this message is the contrast between
the two instructors.  One was something of an ASL snob if you get
what I mean, very intolerant of any lapses into English syntax.

The other, while quite proficient in ASL, was committed to TC.
The objective in her class was to communicate, to get the message
thru via sign language - not necessarily classic ASL.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Interestingly, we both learned a great deal more about ASL from
the TC professor than we did from the ASL snob.

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Subject: Re: On Signing....
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Jim,

I encourage your efforts to learn signing.  It would be great
if more hearing ppeople would make the effort.

 JB> learning sign for almost a year now.  I am continuously
 JB> frustrated because my  sign vocabulary does not match my
 JB> English vocabulary.

Don't let that frustrate you - or you'll be forever frustrated.
Your sign vocabulary will NEVER match your English.  There are
just not that many signs.  The main thing is to COMMUNICATE.

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