From: farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow)
Subject: Re: Gay Rights and the U.S. Supreme Court test
Followup-To: co.politics
Reply-To: farrow@fido.Colorado.EDU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:13:36 GMT

Clifford_Winslow@stortek.com (Clifford Winslow) writes:

[...]
> 
>1.  The July 18, 1991 _Wall_Street_Journal_ article entitled
>    "Overcoming a Deep-Rooted Reluctance, More Firms Advertise
>    to Gay Community", reported the following findings by the
>    Simmons Market Research Bureau (a homosexual marketing firm)
>    and the U.S. Census Bureau:
> 
>    * Homosexuals have an average annual household income of
>      $55,430, versus a general population income of $32,144.
>      Mean income of disadvantaged African-American households
>      is only $12,166 (Statistical Abstract of the United States,
>      1990).

As has been pointed out many times before, that survey was published in
one particular Gay magazine. The respondents do not constitute a random 
sampling of the gay population, thus making the data biased. That means
THOSE NUMBERS ARE WORTHLESS AND MISLEADING! Any idiot with a semester
of statistics can tell you that. A biased sample means biased results.

I wonder where Simmons Market Research Bureau got the rest of their figures?
If they can make such a simple and obvious mistake, I wouldn't trust anything
they put out.

[...]
> 
>       DUTCH LURING GAY TOURISTS --by The Associated Press
> 
So what? The Netherlands is not the United States or Colorado, which is
the environment we are talking about. That article is meaningless and 
irrelevant to this discussion.

[...]
>    I can provide twice as much information about the economic affluence
>    of homosexuals including excerpts from _Overlooked_Opinions_, an
>    economic survey by and for homosexuals.
> 
Let's see it, complete with the statistical reports showing the data gathering
techniques and a work up of the results. Ever read "How To Lie With 
Statistics"? Anyone who wishes to confuse and cloud an issue can make up 
statistics to say whatever they want.

[...]
> 
>    Born that way? (BUZZZZT!!) Nope.  "Congratulations, Mr. Jones.  You
>    are now the proud father of a beautiful, healthy, 8-pound bouncing
>    homosexual baby boy!"  ----> N O T ! ! ! <----
> 
How do you know? The articles I've been reading in the paper lately suggest
otherwise. There is no evidence to back up this opinion.

[...]
>Remember:  Liberty = The unimpeded ability to do what we ought.
>                     The power of choice.
> 
>           License = The permission granted to engage in an occupation
>                     or business otherwise unlawful...freedom that
>                     allows or is used with irresponsibility...disregard
>                     for rules of person conduct.
> 

Interesting definitions, your's I take it?

To me, Liberty means the ability to do whatever I like as long as it doesn't
adversely affect others. Who defines "what we ought", the religious right? 
(ie, bigoted jerks like you, Bill McCartney and Ryal Poppa?)

[...]
> 
>Homosexuals are not interested in liberty...they want license...and they
>want straight America to franchise their vile, disgusting, unnatural, and
>unhealthy lifestyle (flame me on this, and I will post descriptions of
>the sexual practices of homosexuals--perhaps I will do it anyway [ROT13,
>of course]).

What happens behind my bedroom doors or anyone else's is none of your
business. If you think what someone else does is disgusting, don't do it
yourself!

[...]
> 
>Clifford Winslow  ------> Clifford_Winslow@stortek.com
> 
[...]
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Now that is a crock of shit! We all know about how StorageTek management
(read Ryal Poppa) feels.

I was considering applying to StorageTek, since I graduate in May, but that
is certainly no longer an option.

Until recently, I have never been concerned about the Gay rights movement.
I am, after all, a happily married heterosexual man, why should I care about
Gay rights?

That's how I used to feel, until CFV and Amendment 2 came on the scene. Only
lately have I realized just how much the religious right is trying to take over
this country. The attempt to impose their beliefs (not mine) on others is why 
I oppose CFV and Amendment 2.

Scott

(No, that is NOT a new addition to my .sig.)

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