From: rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: More About India
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.072254.16233@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:

> on SCI the vehemence with which many men deny all sexism in Indian
> culture out of  a misguided sense of pride in anything Indian or out of vested interest.
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Now! That's a generalisation. Still, what possible vested interest could Mr. Prem
possibly have ?? Care to elaborate.

> produce something that doesn't exist, I'm going to take this question seriously
> and answer it: Yes, I can give you numerous incidents, but it's too
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> painful and degrading to do so.

Better still, Talk about it. It won't serve any purpose keeping all these
incidents bottled up inside yourself. Share it with us, may be that would help
'us' understand Indian females in general, and would give us pointers as to
how to treat Indian females.

> men are like 'that'. I wonder why such invalid conclusions should bother
> you, especially when you seem to be indulging in a great many of them
> yourself.

Same is true for you too!

> The worst thing in my experience is that fo rmany women, it is not
> possible to tell even family members about such cases for fear of losing
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> the little freedom to move around in the city. The reaction in my
> can't go out alone"    and you soon learn to never talk abou t this to
> anyone. If this is the kind of support a woman/girl has at home, one

Well ! That's an incredibly weak argument for defending yourself.
At the same time I don't think its proper to accuse your family/parents
of insensitivity and lack of support to their daughter. Do you wish to say:
If (God Forbid) something demeaning/distasteful/derogatory happens to you
in the streets of USA and you tell your parents about that, they'll call
you back???  And Will you go back??
I'm happy and fortunate that these things never happened in my
household and yes, I've three sisters.

> it is for married Indian women to tell their husbands about such things,
> if the reaction is often one of blaming the wife for "asking for it".)

You have crossed the edge here. This is plainly untrue and a figment
of your own skewed imagination. No husband would do that. I'm really sorry
about the circumstances that led you to concoct such ideas about Indian men.
 
> The pseudo-respect for women in the Indian culture is based on this
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> implicit agreement: "woman, don't you create any trouble or else..."
 
Ma'm somewhere in the midst of your rantings you lost control of what you
were saying. I won't even try to defend Indian men/culture to someone with
such opinions. But I'll tell you something: Wait till you age, when the bodily
charm is not there, when your smooth skin is unable to attract an American soul
perhaps, then you'd realize the sense of duty in Indian men and the virtues of
our culture.

> Uma Subramanian 
Ravi


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`It's foolish to be wise in the company of fools.' 
                                                     
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Ravi P. Singh                    *    E-mail: rpsingh@hydra.uwo.ca
Dept. of Physics                 *    Phone : (519)-679-2111 Ext.6556 [off]
University of Western Ontario    *            (519)-433-6291 [Res.]
London N6A 3K7, Ontario          *    Fax   : (519)-661-2033 
 C A N A D A                     *
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