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From: kpho@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Pho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Why Golden State will be the next dynasty.
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:09:43 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kpho@acs.bu.edu

Reasons why Golden State will be THE basketball team of the 90's.
  
1. Ability to Score at Will.
Even with the loss of Richmond, Golden State could score at will against
ANYBODY.  It seems this year that Owens, with his 23.0ppg, is more than a
suitable scoring replacement.  PLUS, he's 6-8, meaning that he could pull
down more boards, AND he's a capable ball handler.  If there ever was the
next Magic Johnson, it would be him.  Mullin is unmatched in the NBA in
terms of smarts - he knows the game inside out.  Not to mention his consistency
in shooting in the big games, and the fact that he plays 40+ minutes game in
and game out.  There's no stopping Mullin.  Finally, we've got Hardaway - 
what can you say? He could shoot, drive, pass. He is the ultimate offensive
point guard.  Plus with an awesome bench that includes Marcioulonis, Jennings (
he shot 70%+ from the 3-pt line in college); this team is unmatched in terms
of firepower - nobody could outscore them.
 
2. Youth
The average age of Golden State is 23.1 years.  They are almost as young as
some of the expansion teams.  Nelson year in and year out impresses me with
his moves.  Last year was the ability to pick up Owens, a lottery pick; this
year, he picked up Byron Houston, who was a potential lottery pick before
he slumped at the end of last season.  Thus in two years time, he has picked
up enough young talent to make any expansion team jealous.  Plus, with the
addition of Keith Jennings, makes the back-court of GS unstoppable.  I was a
huge fan of Jennings when he was playing in East Tennesse State two years
ago, and was wondering why he wasn't in the NBA. I mean, he shot 70+% from
the 3-pt line and averaged 30+ppg.  He was a scorer, period - and what
better place for a scorer to be than Golden State? . . . look at Golden
State's starting lineup - you've got Hardaway, Owens, Sprewell, and Hill.
All four of which are quite young.  Mullin is the only really experienced
person, and even he isn't that old.  Plus with up and coming players like
Jennings and Houston - they will be UNSTOPPABLE.
  
3. Coaching
Don Nelson is a genious.  He could adapt to any situation, any time.  I was
impressed in how he single-handedly dismantled San Antonio two years ago.
Golden State, without a real centre, made David Robinson look real bad. And
this year, still without a real centre, they are able to take down the real
power teams like Utah.  Nelson, coach of the year last year, can confuse any
coach in the NBA with his unorthadox lineup, (man, having Hardaway and
Jennings in the back-court is a scorer's dream).

So, that's my two cents.  Golden State could be helped by a real centre, I
admit - maybe Olajuwon? . . . but they WILL win the NBA championship within
the next 3-5 years.
  
*kevin
From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Blazers defeat Phoenix in road opener
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:55:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov16.035511.19364
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov12.205906.16883@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.104932.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>
>>So far it looks like
>>Negele's shot, speed, and court sense are all inferior to KJ's.  Pretty
>>good for a backup's, though.  As for Westphal's coaching, I can't tell
>>this early in the regular season, and I didn't watch the preseason.
>
>He's supposed to be, KJ's as good as it gets.  Negele looks *LOST*,
>like CBA material.  In my mind, the Suns are running no offensive plays
>and Knights too inexperienced to create the way KJ can.  I don't know,
>maybe this is good for him and the team in the long run, but it sure is
>ugly to watch.
>
>>So far it looks like Miller won't be
>>a wasted pick, and once KJ gets back Phoenix will have one more outside
>>shooter.
>
>To keep throwing up bricks with Ainge, Majerle, and Knight.  I don't
>know what happened to the Suns perimeter game.  When you add an inside
>game the outside game isn't supposed to go to hell.  Maybe they're
>missing on purpose to help develop that inside game (just a thought,
>but it seems to be working).
>--
>Harry Koehnemann
>enuxha.eas.asu.edu

Actually, the problem is that all the offensive movement stops when Sir
Charles gets the ball down low, draws the double-team, and everyone
waits for him to decide what to do.  Ainge can be a great 3-point threat
some of the time, but you don't get a lot of open looks if you're all
standing on the perimeter waiting for the ball to come back out.  KJ
coming back might help this with some penetration.  But Ainge, Majerle,
Chambers.. they're not going to create something for each other that
much of the time unless they're moving more than they were in that game.

---
David Christensen
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:53:53 GMT

MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>I guess Shaquille O'Neal has every reason to be pissed off by USA Basketball's
>decision to give Christian Laettner the 12th spot on the Olympic Team. 

Thank you, Marcus, for starting this timely discussion.  It's only
been three months since the Olympics and we really don't have anything
else to talk about.  After we're through with this maybe we can get on
the subject of who should have been Rookie of the Year in 1980.

As for Shaquille, he has 20 million reasons not to be pissed off at
anybody or anything.  Ever.


--Gidi


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From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: Scores and Standings 20nov  -- Need new reporter
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:08:34 GMT

I cant keep posting these, sorry.  We need someone new to post results
and standings, preferably someone who's a more accurate typist than me ;-)
Dare we hope for a west-coast-er who'll get all the late scores?

Here's scores since 13nov, and standings after the 17nov games.
Get yourself nba.c (recently posted here) for these schedules.
When I post the occasional Standings, it's from UPI.
Typos included free of charge!

Thu 19nov New Jersey   at Atlanta      (7:30 pm)  108-101 
          Golden State at Orlando      (7:30 pm)  102-126 gsw-Owens injured!
          Detroit      at Denver       (9:00 pm)   87- 99
          Cleveland    at Houston      (8:30 pm)   92- 99
          Dallas       at San Antonio  (8:30 pm)   93-123
          New York     at LA Clippers  (10:30 pm)  91-101
          Chicago      at Seattle      (10:00 pm) 108- 99 (in Kingdome) 




 
Fri 20nov Golden State at Charlotte    (7:30 pm) 
          Utah         at Indiana      (7:30 pm) 
   (TNT)  Chicago      at LA Lakers    (10:30 pm) 
          Washington   at Minnesota    (8:00 pm) 
          Miami        at Philadelphia (7:30 pm) 
   (TNT)  Portland     at Sacramento   (8:00 pm) 





Sat 21nov Cleveland    at Dallas       (8:30 pm) 
  (WTBS)  Boston       at Atlanta      (7:30 pm) 
          Minnesota    at Denver       (9:00 pm) 
          San Antonio  at Houston      (8:30 pm) 
          Phoenix      at LA Clippers  (10:30 pm) 
          Charlotte    at Miami        (7:30 pm) 
          Indiana      at Milwaukee    (9:00 pm) 
  (WWOR)  Philadelphia at New Jersey   (7:30 pm) 
          Orlando      at New York     (8:30 pm) 
          Detroit      at Seattle      (10:00 pm) 
          Utah         at Washington   (7:30 pm) 

Sun 22nov Denver       at LA Lakers    (10:30 pm) 
          Golden State at New Jersey   (7:00 pm) 
   (WGN)  Chicago      at Phoenix      (9:00 pm) 
          Detroit      at Portland     (10:00 pm) 

Mon 23nov Seattle      at Sacramento   (10:30 pm) 
  (WTBS)  Atlanta      at Boston       (7:30 pm) (in Hartford)
-- 
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 Internet: sikorski@umigw.miami.edu        
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Why Golden State will be the next dynasty.
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:53:30 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Nov20.191136.9419@tc.fluke.COM> tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.030621.25369@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>>Ah, here's the rub.  Golden State would win if they get say one of the top
>>five centers in the league.  Only a dime a dozen.
>
>Basically I agree with the rest of what Jerray said.  Except I think
>Golden State probably only needs to have one of the top twenty centers
>in the league - and this is in addition to Alexander and Gatling.  Owens
>is really too small for big forward against a team playing big.  Sure


Interesting, Jim Kracht and I were discussing this over e-mail stemming
from my comment that the Warriors need to make a deal to get better.

I said if I were the GM, and it was possible under the cap(which it most     
likely was not), I would have traded Mullin to Charlotte for the rights to
then unsigned Mourning straight up. If Charlotte was fed up with Alonzo
and his agent they may have made this deal, and moved Gill to point guard.

That would give the Warriors this lineup: 
C  Alonzo Mourning 
PF Tyrone Hill
SF Billy Owens
2G Latrell Sprewell
PG Tim Hardaway

with Sarunas, Alexander, Gatling, Jennings, Grayer, Houston and Buechler
coming off the bench.

Strengths: much better defensive team, much better rebounding team, very
athletic backcourt with Tim, Latrell and Sarunas.

Weaknesses: Outside shooting and experience.

I think next year that team could challenge any team in the West.





Russ Smith
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From: jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Billy Owens
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:25:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <8f3ZMKi00Uh7E1a4oS@andrew.cmu.edu>, Peter Stephen Lee
<pl16+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Was Billy Owens hurt recently?
> A buddy of mine told me he was, but I havent seen anything about it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
Sprained ankle, but he didn't miss any games. He stepped on Nick Anderson
foot, and twisted his. It looked bad at first, but he is still playing.

Jamie D. Beverly
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From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Subject: Shaq at Meadowlands
Originator: adam@acapella
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:47:31 GMT


Saw Shaq against the Nets Saturday night.  The kid is impressive.  But
he needs to work on his basketball skills.  He's definitely a monster,
but he didn't play that well against the Nets.  The Nets collapsed
defensively on Shaq, double- and sometimes triple-teaming him.  Shaq
tried to go up strong to the hoop every time.  He needs to find the
open man.  He finished with around 30 points, but most of them came
after the Nets had a big lead.  (The Nets won by around 20, on the
strength of excellent offense from Chris Morris and Derek Coleman.
Drazen Petrovic had an off night and was a non-factor.)  Chris Dudley
and Sam Bowie (!) muscled/stood up to Shaq early on and he got in foul
trouble in the 1st quarter.  But...

This kid is awesome.  I think he'll make the All-Star team no problem.

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From: lee@hcx1.csd.harris.com (Lee Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Where did the Shaq blasters go?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:09:47 GMT
Reply-To: lee@hcx1.csd.harris.com (Lee Brown)
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

In article <7062@news.duke.edu>, radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
|>                   
|> Shaq has clearly dominated some of the lesser centers in the NBA.  He has a 
|> very good game against Rony Seikaly, who is a great but not physically 
|> overwhelming center.

Which game was that?  In their only match-up of the real season, Shaq did get
18 rebounds, but fouled out with only 12 points -- I believe that is probably
his lowest point score of the season (or perhaps his life).  Seikaly had 16
in that game (also one of his lower scores this season).  The 18 rebounds
was a factor in the game, but Miami out-rebounded Orlando in that game and
that was also a factor.  Orlando's win in that game was due mainly to the
superb play of Nick Anderson and, to a lesser extent, Dennis Scott shooting
from the outside.  Sure, Shaq's presence drew defenders away from the outside
shooters, but that wasn't Shaq's fault.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Shaq blaster.  I think he's already one of the
better centers in the league (in some areas of the game, like rebounding, but
not in others, like shooting and passing) and he's going to get even better.
And I'm not that much of a Seikaly fan, either.  But Seikaly gets significantly
better each year (this year he's added a nice hook and 15' jumper), and I think
he has done the best job of anyone (yet) against Shaq.

|> I'm still interested in seeing him match up against
|> Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem and Daugherty.  Shaq probably deserves to be ranked up
|> there, but below those guys.  For now.  Shaq has a good 50-60 lb weight 
|> advantage on these centers. I think that Brad D.'s mobility might hurt Shaq,
|> and Robinson will give him a lot of trouble defensively.

I agree (see below).

|> >The MAN was just named Player of the Week, in his first NBA week.  Imagine
|> >what will happen when he learns how to shoot!!!!  I am in awe!

Yep, I've seen him a couple of times now, and he's real good.  POTW is
deserved.

|> He's still so raw, though.  Has trouble with double teams, and he's not a great
|> passer.  What will be very interesting is watching him play teams a second
|> time, and seeing what defensive schemes they cook up to stop him.  If he 
|> dominates these teams again, then he is truly for real. (of course, coming up
|> with a plan against 300 lbs of Shaq is difficult)

Seikaly got to see Shaq twice in the pre-season, and that certainly helped.
The smart centers and coaches will be able to deal with Shaq for a while, but
not for too long....

|> --Rob Clough

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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: All-star HORSE  (was:rookie all-star game)
Keywords: all-star . rookies
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:58:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ora.BxtAu0.D0
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.

If they institute HORSE games, I would feel bad that a sure-fire 
HORSE King would have just missed it by a year...Larry Bird.

-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Betcha U didn't know this
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:43:32 GMT


	Remember all that hubub that was created when David Bowie got
	married to supermodel Iman in the nude?  Just saw this -- and
	it scares the hell out of me -- Iman was once married to former
	NBAer Spencer Haywood.  In fact, they have a 14-year old daughter
	.  The two just recently resolved a custody battle for their
	daughter.

	Jazzy J

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From: djryan@co.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan)
Subject: Re: George McCloud
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:12:20 GMT


George McCloud was a stand-out at Florida State, and was a lottery
pick in the '88 or '89 draft. At FSU he was a prolific scorer and 
clutch player. In the NBA, he has *very* slowly but surely moved
up in the Pacers line-up. He now is apparently showing some of the
qualities for which he was drafted.
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From: grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: MIGHTY NUGGETS lose Bryant Stith (get Gary Plummer)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Stith broken foot  Werdann IR  Plummer activated
Organization: NCAR, Research Applications Program
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:15:46 GMT



The MIGHTY NUGGETS have lost guard Bryant Stith until at least the
All-Star break with a broken foot.  Stith had been scoring 12ppg and
getting 3rbg this season, but after getting his first NBA start
against Detroit last night (boxscore later, gotta ski!), broke his
right foot after only 4 minutes of action.

This will be a blow to the Nuggs, as Stith was providing good offense
and showing some good defense, getting ~2 steals/game.  His injury will
open the door for Todd (the Godd) Lichti to see more time -- he got
23 minutes last night.  Mark Macon is still slowed by troublesome
ankles, plus he's playing bad.

Also, rookie center Robert Werdann was placed on the Injured Reserve
list (don't know why, probably a wicked hangnail or something similar),
and forward Gary Plummer was activated off the IR (he suffered a broken
forearm in the preseason).  Plummer saw about 10 minutes of action
last night.

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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: A.J. English
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:21:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152901.1474@ncsu.edu> bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY) writes:
>
>A.J. English is one of my favorite players, but I haven't heard much about him
>this year.  Is he hurt?  Did the Bullets let him go?  Is he in Europe?
>
>Thanks for any info,
>--Brent

A.J. English, upon retiring, got kicked upstairs to the management end of the 
Denver Nuggets.  He is working in the front office, and has been since the 
beginning of the season...

Anyone else!!!?

Sean


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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Most players from a specific team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:36:20 GMT

	
	Here's a question for U all to ponder:

	Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
	Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
	rosters?

	HINT:  It's neither Old Dominion 86-87 or Kentucky 84-85.  :)

	Jazzy J
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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Questions
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:49:30 GMT
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


1) Has any player in the NBA history EVER had a quadruple double?  I
mean double digits in any four of the following categories: points,
rebounds, steals, assists, blocks (and maybe turnover? :) 

2) Can anybody help me on the following: I would like to see the
ranking of NBA teams in terms of their average heights, by which I
mean the average of all players' heights weighted by each's average
playing time in a NBA year.  How 'bout last year, let's say?

Thanks.

Harry
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:08:23 GMT
Keywords: n

>	Here's a question for U all to ponder:
>
>	Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
>	Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
>	rosters?
>
>	HINT:  It's neither Old Dominion 86-87 or Kentucky 84-85.  :)
>
>	Jazzy J

Would that be North Carolina 81-82 (the year they won it all...)

I believe they had Worthy, Perkins, Jordan, and Daughtery....

Christopher Gattuso
gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Rick Fox
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:03:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: babbage.1992Nov15.190330.24062
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Michael P. O'Grady writes:
>P. Ialamanna writes:
>>Don't forget about Canadian RICK FOX who plays for the Celtics.
>	Canadian?  Now wait a minute, I could have sworn that Rick Fox was
>originally from Puerto Rico or The Dominican Republic.  I know for a fact
>that he played some high school ball as a transfer student for Warsaw (IN)
>High School, as well. 

From the 1991-92 Basketball Almanac: "Fox, born in Canada, moved to the
Bahamas when he was two years old.  He had a very limited basketball
background before playing high school ball in Warsaw, Indiana."

So maybe the Bahamas would be a good location for the next expansion team?

Bob "The Glide" Davis
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From: ogrady@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael P. O'Grady)
Subject: Re: NBA Expansion Candidates
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:24:29 GMT

In article <Bxr8FC.H3x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>Don't forget about Canadian RICK FOX who plays for the Celtics.
>
	Canadian?  Now wait a minute, I could have sworn that Rick Fox was
originally from Puerto Rico or The Dominican Republic.  I know for a fact
that he played some high school ball as a transfer student for Warsaw (IN)
High School, as well. 

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