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From: eric_larson@next.com (Eric Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Protection against lightning?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: eric_larson@next.com

In article <1992Sep25.230623.20268@nas.nasa.gov>  
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
> >>One local fellow (Santa Cruz) was recently attacked by a Great White  
Shark.
> >>During a press conference which followed it came out that years ago he
> >>had been struck by lightning.
>  
> >Yea, did you happen to catch that guys name?
> 
> Had dinner with Burke last evening in the Omei.  I brought this question  
up.
> He could not remember.  If you want to know, I would suggest phoning up
> the Santa Cruz paper and asking.
> 
You're probably thinking of Eric Larsen (not sure if this is the exact  
spelling).  As my .signature indicates, we share some things in common.   
Lot's of folks calling me up last July and checking to see if I was ok  
(especially since there was an apparent report that he worked for a  
"Silicon Valley computer company").  He also has lived in Pacifica and  
Palo Alto, places I have lived (live).  Never met the fellow, though.

--
Eric A. Larson
NeXT Systems Support
eric_larson@next.com
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: DENALI!!?!?!?!
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Not exactly on point, but Denali was featured in the last 5 minute 
"nature" slot on the CBS Sunday Morning news show.  

Now I see why you want to go there.  It looked awesome. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: waters@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Jim Waters)
Subject: Re: National parks to be opened to strip mining
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:11:45 GMT

AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:

>What has now happened is that it looks like the court sees denying
>access as equivalent to siezure.  If it is siezure, the constitution
>requires compensation.  I don't know Luhan's true motives but the
>alternatives seem to be to pay compensation or permit access (i.e.,
>minning).  Perhaps the prime purpose is not to open up mines but to
>get Congress to fund compensation.

As I remember the NYT article, however, the court has not mandated the
new policy.  As best I can remember, the law says that you can strip
mine in the national parks if you have a "valid existing right" to
mine the area.  This phrase is not defined in the legislation.  This
has always been interpreted to allow anyone who obtained their mining
permits before the law was passed to strip mine.  The court ruled that
it also includes anyone who was in the process of obtaining their
permits before the law was passed.  The administration has now
specified that the phrase should be interpreted to include anyone who
obtained mineral rights before the law was passed, which is a much
larger group.  So it's the administration, not the courts, that have
pulled this one.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Waters
waters@cs.stanford.edu
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: An Insight
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:53:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep29.203714.17086@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <Sep28.174436.58657@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>Lying staring at the stars last weekend I had an insight.
>>It was one of those clear, moonless, wilderness nights and the
>>stars were uncountably many.
>
>Not to burst your romantic bubble, there are approx. 4K stars visible to
>the human eye (both hemispheres, not all at one time).  Even the best

Oh Eugene.  You're so left-brained!  (Don't feel bad.  That's a line
an old room mate used to apply to me all the time.)

>I don't quite regard space as wilderness 

Well, it's a wild, unknown expanse.  But, unlike many who have posted
and emailed, I don't think we're going to be exploiting, or even
setting foot in other galaxies (nor trapping beavers).  There is nothing
in the meager bag of gimmicks and tricks we call technology to even hint
at such a possibility.  Sure, we've put a man on the moon.  But to
extrapolate from this to intergalactic travel is simply absurd.  Even the
moon expeditions are just proofs of concept, a far cry from common-place
space travel.  Look at the costs.  No, this planet is where we're going
to play out the game.  It's all we've got.

Our culture has a very bad case of technological arrogance.  We think
we're really hot stuff.  Other cultures we consider primitive have
had specific technologies more advanced than ours, which we are only
beginning to understand.  Some Eskimos built better kayaks, for instance.
The Eskimos knew better, however, than to extrapolate that their efficient
boats would allow them to paddle to the moon!

The beauty of the sky as wilderness, is that it remains untouchable,
undeveloped, uncorrupted.  The great beyond: it stands as a symbol,
a tranquil reminder that humanity is not in control.  Yes, we've still
got some residual thinking left: that humankind will dominate and subjugate
the universe.  We've only begun to catch on to the importance of harmony
with, versus subjugation of, our surroundings.  Admit it.  Those
stars are just too far away to exploit.  

Space, the final frontier?  Wrong.  Social, political, economic, 
and scientific harmony and quality of life, the final frontier. 
Space is a realm for scientific exploration, nothing more.

No prisoners. ;-)


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: slucas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Andrew Lucas)
Subject: Good packs for women...
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Summary: Soliciting input on best women's backpacks...
Keywords: packs, women, backpacks, Dana Designs
Organization: cisco Systems
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:28:37 GMT

My wife & I went for a rather nice hike last weekend in Henry Coe
state park, near Morgan Hill CA.  (Nice place, BTW).

We are looking for packs to purchase, so we rented a pair of Dana
Designs packs from our local outdoors store.  Mine was fine, she was
miserable.  What recommendations do you have for a good, comfortable,
women's pack?  We'll probably buy something in the 5,000 cu in range,
and would prefer an internal frame, as we do some XC skiing & Karen
likes the stability of an internal.

Thanks!

Scott Lucas
cisco Systems
slucas@cisco.com


Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Jim Neighbors)
Subject: DENALI!!?!?!?!
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:53:17 GMT

Well... this might be kinda early but me and my nutty friends are
thinking about camping in either Denali or Patagonia... If anyone
has experience with either please mail me details about best times,
hazards, good sites, permits?, etc... greatly appreciated.

						sh666@selway.umt.edu

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pkust@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul R Kust)
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcountry
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:31:11 GMT

In article <1aj76hINNp3o@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
 writes:
>
>Hey, this really got me thinking.  From prime-time news shows, news-paper
>articles, jungian group conciousness or whatever, I've got this weird
>impression of backcountry marijuana patches, coca plantations, etc... that
>supposedly litter the American backcountry that are defended by booby-traps,
>men with machine-guns, etc...
>
>So, has anybody on this network ever had such an encounter?  Do you know of
>any friends who have died 'mysterious deaths' in the backcountry?
>
>I'm sure that any average grower would avoid touristy areas, but then again,
>so do we.  I've done some bushwhacking in decidedly non-scenic areas and
>I've never seen anything.

I personally have never had an encounter, but when I did Volunteer Patrols in 
the Cleveland NF, I was warned about such encounters.  They even had some 
pictures of law enforcement types clearing out a weed patch.  There are, 
apparently, "long haired wierdos in cammies with AK-47's" out there, usually in
the wilderness areas where there are fewer tourists, and usually near a creek 
or stream for cheap water.  Another problem in the Cleveland is that, being on 
the Pacific Crest Trail, it is a major artery for illegal aliens coming from 
Mexico.  I've personally come across abandoned campsites of that nature.

>
>-David
-- 
*** Paul R. Kust "Banjoman" *** Kust.1@osu.edu / kust@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
                                   | "Read my lips ... I'll do anything to
Jes' a-pickin' and a-grinnin'.     |  get reelected ... I knew nothing about
Yes I play, I just don't play well.|  Iran-Contra."  What credibility problem?
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: First Aid Kits
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:08:18 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <jz0ns3f.micki@netcom.com> micki@netcom.com (Michelle Stone) writes:

>I went to REI and looked at their first aid kits and decided that 
>I wanted more stuff than they offered for the price.  What I did
>was to purchase the little red pouch and stock it myself.  This 
>has been perfect.  I think that I have used everything in that 
>little pouch at least once. (Even the two dollar bills!)

Not only that, you may save money.  Most medical stuff is
outrageously overpriced but you can save a bit by careful shopping.
Most of the ready-made kits don't include much and overcharge for
it.  Of course for pure medical stuff you have to pay the price but
you can substitute in areas where the material won't come into
contact with an open wound.  For example, I make my triangular
bandages out of old sheets.  Much cheaper plus I make them a usable
size (those I've seen in the stores are too small for most adults).
If you can find 1" wide atheletic tape it is usually cheaper than
the fancy stuff which comes on a nice metal spool, and is also
better for a lot of purposes (eg. taping a twisted ankle).

Another trick I use is to seal my first aid kit with a seal-a-meal.
Keeps it nice and dry until needed.  I seal it up, then heat it to
cause the air to expand.  While it is hot I poke a hole in one
corner and squeeze the air out, then re-seal that corner.  This
helps keep it from turning into a balloon when I climb to higher
altitudes.  (If you have the fancy vacuum seal-a-meal that would be
even better.)  I have to re-do this occasionally as the pouches wear
and develop leaks.

Shop around, use your creativity etc.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: reed@cs.washington.edu (Renee Reed)
Subject: Animal Totem
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:43:49 GMT



[eugene miya writes:]
>Are you a spotted owl, too? (not to bias you, Say Hi to Richard).

	Na..  I wan't to survive! Spotted owl's are just about
	history around here.  Even the Forest Service uses the
	fact that they are no longer a "viable" species as a reason
	that they should not have to protect them. 
	
	I would be a Great, Big, Totally Awesome, Kodiak She Bear.

	Then I could root around the tundra all day, eating grubs and
	mice, maybe trot on down to the ocean shore for a few Seal, stand
	in the clear, cold rivers and scoop huge fat Salmon up and munch on
	juicy sweet berries in the summer.   I'd stay fit and sassy, so 
	I would spend most the summer and fall months raising my cubs, 
	eating and intimidating the males.  Maybe even treat the little
	cubs to nice, soft pink two legged man-pig, when they hunted us.
	
	Oh, yea and I'd get to mate with great big brutes for hours on
	end several weeks a year at my discretion --  and mustn't forget
	that I get to sleep several months on end.. .  Not a bad life at 
	all..  

	(Read  "The Monarch of Deadmans Cove" for an increadible account
	of a ledgendary great Kodiak Bear who ranged in the Deadmans Cove
	area for 16-18 years . You won't want to put it down.. )

- Osa --renee
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster)
Subject: Re: Protection against lightning?
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:56:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep23.222327.7832@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>A few weekends ago a woman was struck at the Sunnyvale Golf Course
>(Courses are frequent areas for people to get struck), and she was lucky
>she survived.

This is nature's way of telling you "don't play golf"! ;-)

[Kurt Bittner       ][   "I don't question our existence,                  ]
[kbittner@oracle.com][    I just question our modern needs."  - Pearl Jam  ]
From: exuclh@exu.ericsson.se (Calvin L. Hall, x 6521, s034)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Camp Coffee recipe request
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:56:35 GMT
Reply-To: exuclh@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Keywords: 

Please send me your camp coffee recipes.

Thanks,
Calvin Hall
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Subject: Re: Boots: Vasque Skywalk or Trialwalk
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:59:48 GMT

In article <2AC87A0C.27330@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu
(Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>Does anybody has information/experience with the above boots
>to share with me ?  My friend is considering buying one of
>these but he doesn't has access to newsgroup.  Thanks.

I've owned both.  I had to return the Skywalks three times because the
stitching joining the fabric to the leather on the outside of the boots
would tear out when I used them climbing 14ers in Colorado.  Walking in
scree was the cause.  Each time I returned them, Vasque (alias Red Wing)
replaced them with a new pair, no questions asked.  The last time I took
a pair of Trailwalks instead.  The leather is a little tougher and the
stitching that joins the leather to the fabric is higher up on the side of
the boot.  Maybe they'll last longer this time.  These boots probably
shouldn't be used for climbing, but they're feather light and extremely
comfortable.  Heavier boots would probably be more appropriate.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com
From: fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Fuzzy)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Ultrex Waterproof/Breathable Fabric
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:09:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

i don't have any real experience w'ultrex, but i do have a gore-tex 
parka by solstice....so far, i've been really impressed with it....
tho it has problems when it gets much above 70' and rainy...not 
very cool then....big pit zips, but not really big enough...i think 
i remember seeing something somewhere about the need for a rather
large temperature difference between body temp and outside temp...
vapor pressure and all...something like that anyway...
i paid out the wazoo (IMHO) for it, but i do feel it's well worth it...
i'm really happy with it....

on a side note...who makes good gore-tex pants?  i think i'm going to get 
a pair...getting tired of having a dry top and wet pants and legs...
i'm thinking right now about sequel (about $120) and solstice (not sure
of $$)....any other ideas?

Fuzzy
--

I finally realized why astronauts didn't take dogs on the space shuttle.
Because if on the re-entry they stuck their head out the window, their
face would burn up.

fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: NPS radio frequencies?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:30:32 GMT


Does anyone know what frequencies the National Park Service uses for
communications in the parks? The reason I am asking is that both myself and
my girlfriend hold amateur radio licences and are thinking of getting
small 2m radios for communication while hiking, boating etc. Many such
radios now can receive low band FM communications (fire, police frequencies
etc.) and it would be interesting to be able to listen in to the park services
(Note these radios are RECEIVE only out of the amateur radio band). If I knew
what the park frequencies were, I could try to find a radio that covers them
as well as the ham band. Please email replies if possible as I don't often get
time to read this newsgroup.

Thanks in advance, 
Bob Atkins  KA1GT

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde)
Subject: Re: An Insight
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
NntpPostingHost: engineer.mrg.uswest.com
Date: 03 Oct 92 04:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.070139.25193@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>
>Hard to say whay my favorite constellation is, maybe Orion, maybe Lyra,
>maye Pegasus or Andromeda or Cassie. Maybe the Ursas or Scorpio, or or or....
>

Canis Minor, no question.

	chris
 
Chris Fedde, USWEST MRG, chris@mrg.uswest.com, voice 3037842823
From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: National parks to be opened to strip m
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:31:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Oct1.193142.15434
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design

In article 17586@hellgate.utah.edu, allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
> 
> Although I am not infavor of mining in the national parks.  I must admit
> am in favor of making sure people are justly compensated for land/mineral
> seizures by the government when necessary.
> 

Yup... they stole it from the indians fair and square.

 
-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)
Subject: Re: Bear bags?  Huh?
Reply-To: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.015430.10836@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith) writes:
|>    Also, what are the dangers of bears in the backcountry?  When I was
|> younger I had a confrontation with a Grizzly Bear at Yellowstone (I think
|> that's where it was); I didn't really feel too frightened.  What are
|> the differences betweens black bears and grizzlies, in terms of
|> aggression, etc.?

What I have heard is:

If you kick a black bear in the butt, it will climb a tree.
If you kick a grizzly in the butt, you will climb a tree.

 :-)

  - les

-- 
Les Bartel			lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL			(205) 730-8537

There are three kinds of people in the world:
Those who can count, and those who can't.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: Random strip-mining thoughts
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.221905.4274@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.MMS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Skubik) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> Regarding this strip-mining problem:
|> 
|> As I understand it, we own the surface rights and should
|> therefore be able to charge serious money for access through
|> our property to anyone wanting to get at the minerals below.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way.  As somebody who lives in
the mountains in an area that was mined at one time, I was rather
concerned about this when I purchased my house.  The person who has
mineral rights can take any action he would like to exercise those
mineral rights, including destroying my house.  Extra title insurance
was necessary to protect me against this possibility (note that even
this only protects my house... they could still come in 100' away
from my house and destroy my land and I would have no recourse).

I don't know the legal subtleties of what compensation I would be
due in these circumstances.  However, an attorney who specializes in
these matters STRONGLY recommended I get the added insurance.

|> If true, then we can deny any profit from strip-mining without
|> actually denying access to the minerals.  This ought to give
|> pause to anyone wanting to dig up a national park.
|> 
|> Also, since strip-mining destroys the suface value of land,
|> we should be able to rationalize charging very high prices
|> for a miner's action in destroying our property thus denying
|> us our right to enjoy our property (the reason we bought it).
|> 
|> Else wise, why don't we just tell the mining companies to
|> leave our property alone and let them tunnel in from the
|> side if they are so eager to get at what's under our parks?
|> 
|> Mark
|> -Just another taxpayer, like you-
|> 
|> Opinions?  Sure, I got lots of 'em.  I got 'em for cheep
|> since nobody else wanted them and now I'm having a hard
|> time giving them away.

-- 

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Drunks in the Backcountry
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:47:45 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.160956.2686@colorado.edu> sherod@news.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod) writes:

>What's worse, meeting a drunk bear or one that is stone cold sober?

A bear on PCP would be worse.

>  What if they are carrying a boom box playing Lynyrd Skynyrd?
 
Ask them to play "Free Bird".

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Chain saws (was Tree spiking guns knifes and other implements of destruction)
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:29:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skids.eng.sun.com

In article 18813@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>And yes they do selective cuts in National Parks (can't have too many trees
>falling on cars).

Personally, I'd let 'em fall on the cars.  [WC]ould solve a couple of problems!

---
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" -- Earl of Occam
				AlanPope   <alan.pope@Eng.Sun.COM>
From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: National parks to be opened to stri
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:24:27 GMT
Organization: Not me.

In article <1449600040@igc.apc.org> Ecology Center <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>The National Wildlife Federation has taken on the Bush plan to open
>N.Parklands to mining as a key issue to fight. They have an office in
>DC... should be in the (202) phone book.
>
(202) 797-6800

Steve
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