From: cprice@treehut.waffle.atl.ga.us (Clyde Price)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: What do you REALLY mean?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:58:57 GMT
Organization: Clyde's TreeHut BBS

gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

> >I can only post and discuss, but we pro-lifers do NOT give up on the
> >matter, nor will we when society tells us abortion is right. 
> 
> This doesn't speak well for our education system, or Canada's either.

        If the goal of an educational system is to brainwash people to
accept without thinking the currently "politically correct" views, then
obviously it didn't work with Steve, or me.  If education is intended to
promote thinking, perhaps there have been some successes.

> Compromise?  How do you compromise on removing women's rights?

        "Rights" as defined by whom?  Admitted: under current US law,
abortion is legal, but from what source do "rights" in our society
devolve?  God?  The Constitution?  The "will of the majority"?
        Not too long ago, slaves were chattel property with NO rights
under US law.  That was changed _after_ the War Between the States when
Andrew Johnson signed the bill abolishing slavery in Kentucky.
(Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a punitive measure against
states which had already seceded from the Union and didn't affect the
slaves in Kentucky.)  The "rights" of slave owners were certainly
abrogated when the slaves were freed and granted citizenship!

        Under current law, unborn human beings have NO civil rights.
Admitted: "removing women's rights" to an abortion would be _inherent_
in recognizing the personhood and the "right to life" of the preborn,
even as the former slaves were granted citizenship that eliminated the
"rights" of their former owners.  _SO_BE_IT_!_
        The US Constitution speaks of the "right to life, liberty, and
the pursuit of happiness", it didn't apply to black folk then, and it
apparently doesn't apply to the preborn now...  yet...

> Let's see... when we speak from the heart and state that we feel abortion
> should remain legal we get told it is murder - a legal term.  When we
> quote dictionaries with commonly understood defnitions we get told to
> speak from the heart.

        Admitted: In the USA abortion is not legally murder.  "Murder" is
a crime, and abortion is legal.  Possessing and drinking alcohol used to
be illegal, as did opening your store on Sunday and abortion.  Judicial
review and further legislation changed all these conditions. So when we
pro-lifers say   "ABORTION IS MURDER!"   we would be technically
incorrect if we                        were addressing the current legal
realities.   If                        however, we could be understood as
exercising  our                        rights of free speech and free
our exercise of                        religion in rendering a moral
judgment, then                         we may "speak from the heart"
and say that     "ABORTION IS MURDER!" and those who participate in it
are MURDERERS.
        However, as the slaveowners who killed their slaves were not
_legally_ murderers 150 years ago, neither are abortionists today.




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