HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Increase in millionaires
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:31:58 GMT

} 	Why do some people feel that the number of millionaires increasing
}since the last election is a *bad* result?

Beats me, since these are the very folks the demos plan on paying for their
gimmie programs for everyone else.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.175326.1638@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) writes:
 
    [...]
>
>huh?  investments into a company reduce profit and income.  what are you trying to
>say?
 
So, for instance, if you have a manufacturing plant, and I invest $1,000,000
that you use to expand and buy more machinery and sell more product, that
reduces profit and income? By that logic, we should invest the minimum
possible in capital goods- ideally, none at all. Even better, we could tax
physical capital and transfer all that money to some other area.
 
I think we've discovered the theory behind the Clinton plan ;-)
 
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From: enbal@aeroj.tamu.edu (James L. Heilman)
Subject: Garrison Keillor (was Re: Cultural Elite)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:38:06 GMT

I take great offense at recent remarks that Garrison
Keillor is a lot of smug nonsense for the Volvos-and-
gourmet-pasta-set.  As one who grew up as a Lutheran
in town like Lake Wobegon, I can testify to the fact that
there is much truth to what Garrison writes and says.
In fact, Garrison Keillor is for the shy, guilt-ridden, 
Chevy-tuna casserole-set.

James L. Heilman
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: "Liberal" - A Misnomer
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:19:29 GMT

In article <l9nnk5INNemg@aludra.usc.edu> rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.115945.2018@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
[......] 
>>  They've got control over Congress and the media; God help us if
>>they get the Presidency as well.
>
>Maybe.  After all we saw what Reagan pulled off with a Republican Senate
>for 6 years: deficits, and 'fake' jobs in the defense industry.
>
>>  One more thing - Albert Gore.  The biggest "tax-and-spender" in
>>Congress, a man who was raised with the silver spoon of the politic-
>>ally connected in his mouth.  The only reason I'd vote for him would
>>be to get him out of Tennessee.
>
>And Dano is SO different in that respect.  Just replace Tennessee with Indiana.

At least Al Gore is smart.  

>
>What the hell IS this tax&spend GOP morons (note: not all GOPs are morons)
>keep spewing?  Will someone please enlighten me?
>
>>  That's my opinion - it ought to be yours.

Amen brother! (or is Hail Hilter more suitable to you? )  

>
>As i said before, keep your bullshit fascism out of my anarchy.
>
>>                                    A Tennessean
>
>You make a poor job of representing your state.  May i suggest moving to Canada
>
Get away!  We don't want any evanglical morally correct people coming 
up here, CRTC had a hard time tracking down pirate evanglical TV stations
from the States already.  Besides, over here a conservative is like someone
slightly right of Jerry Brown. 


>>P.S. - I want to make two things crystal clear before I go.  First,
>>all liberals (strangely enough, not like many vocal liberals do about
>>conservatives).  Second, I hope everyone realizes my concluding line
>>is purely facetious and not meant to offend; serious situations often 
>>need occasional humor to relieve the pressure.
>
this guy is a comedian, so funny he's like Major Frank Burns of MASH 4077.  
>Ha!  Ha!
>Get a sense of humor, pal.
>
>>  Thanks for reading, whether you agree with me or not.  God gave you
>>the ability to chose; use it with care and wisdom.
>
Which God?  Will you be totally pissed if they enforce Islam or Buddhaism
prayers on everyone in public school?  ;->

>God also gave us intolerance, greed, and other assorted sins, not to mention
>politicians and toxic waste.  Aren't you a little old to believe in Santa
>Claus?
>
>5150
>and keep this crap out of alt.fan.dan-quayle


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Verification that Canada does not have socialized medicine (UPI)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Keywords: canadian broadcast
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:29:03 GMT

clarinews@clarinet.com ((Burton/Standard Broadcast News)) writes
in clari.canada.general:
>
>	   (BlueCross)+
>	Ontario Blue Cross says it caN'T keep up with for-profit insurance
>agencies and is hiking its travel insurance. The hardest hit by the rate
>hike will older travellers and ``snowbirds''... people who head to
>Florida for as long as six months once the weather at home turns cold.
>Spokesperson Monica Federeau says Blue Cross, a NON-profit organization,
>has tried to set across-the-board rates without discriminating against
>older clients, but younger travellers are turning to other agencies for
>cheaper rates. Full details of the changes will be announced later this
>week, but Federeau warns the older you are and the longer you stay out
>of the country, the higher the rate. 
>	In addition to increased competition, Blue Cross blames the rate
>hikes on the low Canadian dollar, a government decision to slash its
>share of air-ambulance insurance, and higher costs in the U.S. where 
>an average hospital stay is about two-thousand dollars a day. 

This is the private supplementary insurance that I mention in my
Canada FAQ.  Domestic non-medical stuff (luxuries) like private room,
telephone, etc. and full-medical emergency travel insurance (mostly
necessary for the U.S.).  Private insurers also offer similiar plans
to individuals and as corporate benefit packages.

>	(Doctors)+
>	The Ontario Medical Association is reportedly working out a deal 
>with the government that will pay higher salaries to doctors who choose 
>to work outside major centres like Toronto. The Toronto Star quotes 
>sources who say it's part of a plan to deter physicians from taking jobs 
>in areas that are already doctor-dense. The plan being considered is a
>staggered fee schedule. For example, a new doctor in Toronto might make
>75 percent of OHIP fees in the first year, 80 percent in the second, and
>100 percent in the third. But a doctor who chooses to set up shop in
>Northern Ontario would earn full fees from the start.

In actuality, doctors who offer to locate in sparser areas already get
a higher fee schedule (as per American health insurance) than their
urban counterparts.  My friend from high school could almost have
doubled his money by being in Timmins rather than Toronto, but he is
also a competive sailor and doesn't want to give that up ...

gld
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Increase in millionaires
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1992Aug25.134223.28941@dscomsf.desy.de>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.134223.28941@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:

[...]

   |>	It would seem that anything that helped raise the median income is to
   |>be looked upon with favor.

   But Bush did not increase the median income (in real terms), he descreased it.
   He increased the mean income, this is not difficult, it's inevitable that a
   technologicaly advancing nation increases it's GNP. Bush simply ensured that all
   the jam went to the ultra rich.

Wrong, plain wrong.  In 1981 the year Ronald Reagan assumed office the
median US income was a little under $27,000.  In 1990 the median US
income was slightly over $29,000.  In the case of the mean the figures
are: 1981, $31,000; 1990, $35,000.  Source:  Alan Reynolds, "Upstarts and
Downstarts".  National Review, Aug 31, 1992, pp25-31.

Read it liberals if you dare, you won't like it.  Of course I don't
expect to let a little thing like the facts interfere with what the
liberals put out for public consumption.

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From: tedrick@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.war,alt.desert-storm
Subject: Bush giving up? (Colin Powell)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.desert-storm
Date: 3 Sep 1992 02:13:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: triangle.berkeley.edu

Bush looks so sad, tired, and defeated-looking that I feel sorry
for him. After all, he really meant well and tried hard, but he
was misled by his advisors (particularly Colin Powell, the Rasputin
of American politics, who screwed up Desert Storm by ending it
before the pursuit phase was properly exploited).

It's a great (and ironic) tragedy that Bush appointed Powell,
passing up more qualified soldiers, just so he could have more
people of color as appointments. But any social system other
than a meritocracy is bound to lead to tragedy eventually, when
the fruits of the tree of injustice finally ripen. It was a
great tragedy for America that slavery existed, but it is also
a great tragedy that the political system has been corrupted
by attempts to cure old injustice by adopting new forms of injustice.

I won't go into the case of Richard Darman, a man beneath contempt.

On the other hand, Bush abandoned his old friend John Sununu, and
that betrayal (due to a very cleverly laid plot by his enemies)
left Bush defenseless against the wolves closing in. Bush should
have stuck it out instead of abandoning his friends and caving in 
to his enemies (same thing he did when he accepted the tax increase).

Bush has been getting *BAAAD* advice, and unlike Reagan, doesn't
have a strong enough set of beliefs in his inner core to set
his own course in opposition to the political winds (all this
"following the polls" is one of the greatest jokes in history,
like a president can lead by following the whims of a mob :-)
Kind of like the way the French emperor blundered into the
Franco-Prussian War (falling into Bismarck's cleverly laid
plot).

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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Train vs. plane subsidies? (was Re: Private Discrimination)
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:59:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Aug24.161801.15617@mcc.com> amck@mcc.com (Alan McKendree) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.230859.19417@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
@In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug21144933@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
@	The Texas Department of Aviation spends $1.3 billion a year on
@airports -- in general funds. Texas is the only state without any kind
@of aviation fuels tax. And if that isn't contrary to Libertarian
@principles (everything must pay for itself, right?), then I don't know
@what is.

>Well, it looks like you don't know what is.  Let me try to explain.
>The Libertarian solution is to eliminate the existing subsidy, _not_
>to create a new tax in Texas just because every other state has such a
>tax.

	But then, how are aviation-related facilities to be paid for?

	I presume it would be by some kind of user fee, and it seems
to me that this tax is essentially a user fee. If it isn't, then why
isn't it?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Slick Willie and the Rapists
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:53:50 GMT

mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:

>Well, Mike, that someone was me and that isn't what I wrote.  Either you
>or this Bri person changed my post and I don't appreciate that.  I
>called the president George Bush, not GHWB, and if people want to
>paraphrase what I said they can damned well put it in brackets 
>or otherwise indicate that it is not exactly what I said.

I lost the first few lines of the posting, so put GHWB instead of 
"George Bush", as I couldn't remember how you referred to Bush. The
remainder of the quote was from you.

Now, does changing GB to GHWB really change the intent of your message?
How was your posting altered to modify the intent behind that which
you were attempting to convey?

I think not.

MD
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From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Were Nazis socialist?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:15:15 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <1992Aug26.205548.11856@dscomsf.desy.de>,
 Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
  [quoting someone else -- attribution lost, sorry]
>|>> Even worse, to lump the Nazis in as examples of socialists simply because
>|>> it was appropriated by the NSDAP as part of the name indicates a woeful
>|>> ignorance of European history. 
>|>
>|>This view of European history is shared by a number of people including
>|>the late Friedrich Hayek (_The Road to Serfdom_) and Paul Johnson (_Modern
>|>Times_). 
>
>Quoting extreeme right wing loonies views on socialism is a bit rich. I
>suppose the poster would concur with Tony Benn's views on capitalism?

I have to admit I don't recognize the name "Paul Johnson" or the name
of his book, so perhaps he is a "right wing loonie".  But Hayek was a
world-famous economist, won the Nobel Prize in economics in 1974, and
was quite definitely *not* any kind of loonie, right-wing or otherwise.
His views on socialism in general and the problems of managing a
planned economy in particular are some of the premier economic writings
of this century.  Maybe you should read a few of them.

The remainder of your posting essentially revolves around the
different definitions and usages of the word "socialism" in Europe
and in the USA, although you don't seem to realize that you're
fighting a definitional problem.  To most people outside of Europe,
the idea of socialism refers to a powerful central government which
controls and manages the economy.  Europeans appear to have some sort
of warm-and-fuzzy meaning which, as near as I can tell, simply refers
to the ideals of compassion and charity in a society.  Left unanswered
(usually) is the question of whether force will be used in the process
of achieving those lofty (if ill-defined) goals.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Cultural Elite?
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:19:37 GMT

ag> Alex Goykhman
gs> Gary Strand

gs> It's pretty much uncontested that the majority of movie/TV actors, pro-
gs> ducers, directors, and so on are liberal, and I believe it's these people
gs> that Dan Quayle is talking about.

ag> Yes, but what does it have to do with presidential politics? 

  Very little.

ag> Are we going to:
ag> legislate popular culture?  
ag> do away with the First Amendment?
ag> "take our culture back" by "force, rooted in justice"?

  I don't know. Ask Dan Quayle.

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:05:56 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Aug31.223346.1689@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>
>Not to mention Jewish religious sites that were not significant to Muslims also
>being destroyed.

And these are / were ... ?

Anisa
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: enbal@aeroj.tamu.edu (James L. Heilman)
Subject: George Bush buys votes
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:40:25 GMT

Yesterday, George "Santa Claus" Bush announced wheat
export subsidies in South Dakota, relief for cotton
farmers in west Texas, and the sale of F16 fighters
to Taiwan in Fort Worth.  Things must be getting
desperate for the man who promised to do anything
to get re-elected if he's handing out goodies in 
South Dakota, a state that hasn't voted for a 
democratic presidential candidate since 1964, and
selling planes to the enemies of his bosom buddies,
the butchers of Tianeman Square.

James L. Heilman
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From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Pork Barrel Politics
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:27:49 CDT

In article 20102@hemlock.cray.com, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
|
|How could they possibly have missed the swine research program
|protected by Vin Weber.  True pork if ever there was...
|

Punny, Russ, Punny.

Tell us more about this swine research program before asking us
to decide how needed it is, or how porky it is.


|Weber declined to run for re-election after reports that he
|bounced a large number of checks at the House bank.  He is
|now co-chair of the Bush re-election campaign.

Well, the Democrats seem to be pretty smug about that.  At least Vin
Webber has the character to step down.  Jerry Sikorsky, now there's
a man with no shame.  Jerry decided to run again and hope the voters
would forget and forgive.   Jerry wrote bounced checks for more than 
$109K if I remember.  This was many times more than Vin Weber's $35K
if I remember Vin's sins correctly.*  Seems to me that Jerry gives
the DFL (Democratic Farm Labor) party in MN a black eye.  He would
have helped the DFL out by stepping down like Vin did.

I hope they throw the bum out!  

*Oh, we will remember.

|-- 
|Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
|------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
|EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)



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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOICE-MAIL FOR THE HOMELESS AND POOR
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:53:54 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep2.212051.29200@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
> I had this idea a few weeks ago, of a service that could be made available
> to the homeless and very poor, that could be a help to them.  What do other
> people think?  Here it is:

	Already being done.  Someone got a corporation to donate voice-mail for
homeless people so they could find jobs easier.

	It's a pilot project, but seems to be working ok so far.

	I can't remember what city it was in.  SF?

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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: National Health Care
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:33:54 GMT

In article <92238.112556DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.010925.4041@brownfield.glv.com>, brownfield!jbrow (Jim
>Brownfield) misrepresents my views by saying:

[stuff deleted]

>I've never said that government is a "model of efficiency", only
>that in some cases, markets do fail, and society may need other institutions,
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>including government, to cope with that failure.
>
>Dennis G. Shea, Penn State

I agree with this, but clearly many extremists in this newsgroup don't. It seems
to me that a market system can only be used for goods/services that can be
produced at a profit; there is no market for money-losers. Yet, sometimes
those money-losers are goods or services that society needs. So, how to provide
them, when the private sector can't and/or won't (and for good reason)?

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Short term vs. Long term (Was Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked))
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.180649.20505@anasazi.com>
john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
 
>Unfortunately, I DID invest in Oracle, just before it became apparent
>that they had mislead analysists about a quarterly earnings projection,
>and my stock took an enormous dive (19 to 5). This is an example of how
>short term the market behavior is.... the stock has gone back up to around
>18 now.  Since the long term prospects of the company really didn't change
>during those few days of price collapse, this is another indication of the
>short term bias to the market and how silly it is.
>
I think you are confusing the notion of short-term profit incentives
within a firm with aspects of the market itself. The tax codes and
management objectives may lead to incentives to seek short-term gains, but
companies that do this do not prosper. A look at the long-term history of
the NYSE will show that stocks have consistently outperformed bonds, bank
deposits and so on in the long run. You might construe this to mean the
market, overall, is "biased" to the long term.
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