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From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: Seagates
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:11:10 GMT

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>Seagate bought out what hat been CDC's disk drive operation -- meaning that
>the high end Seagates have a different pedigree than the low end ones that
>got the reputation of being slow, cranky, and susceptible to destruction. 
>The CDC-ancestry drives were designed originally for supporting
>supercomputers......  and were/are fast, large, reliable, and of very high
>reputation.

Oh well, spmething else gone to the dogs. I personally am not impressed
with Seagate. I have in my possession an 85 MB Seagate HD that suffers
from stiction problems, so I called them to find out how much it would
be to repair/replace. The lady on the other end was "less than friendly",
actually, she was just short of being "snotty" and informed me for that
the low price of $160.00US they would gladly give me a refurbished
84(5) MB HD complete with a <drum role please> 90 <whole> day(s) 
warranty. Now, if I were to toss in a few bucks more <and shop elsewhere>
I could purchase a brand new [and possibly larger] HD, hell, if I wanted to 
buy "used" I could probably get a drive twice that size from the NET for 
that cost...

 
So much incentive to be a "loyal" customer I can hardly make up my mind
on what to do <dripping sarcasim>.

Thomas
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:37:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1e3g6tINN9l7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>

>In article <BxBI8q.HL8@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>
>writes:
>>    Strange that this comes only a couple of weeks after Apple announced that
>> it had broken IBM's record in the personal computer industry by shipping
>> 2 million systems in one year.  Why is Commodore getting hit by almost 25%
>> reductions in sales, while Apple Computer is reporting record sales?
>
>If Commodore is doing and Apple (and IBM) are doing so good, then why is it
>that CNN has had segments on layoffs at IBM and Apple, but none about layoffs
>from Commodore?

Because CBM is not news.  IBM and Apple is.  They can't talk about every
little company across the country. 

>Brian

-Joel
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From: shogun@tension.UUCP (Jay Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AMIGA STINKS (THE STORY CONTINUES)
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:53:57 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <By0E1C.Iou@newcastle.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A.
Inman) writes:
>
>In article <Bxz4zC.2oI@newcastle.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A.
Inma
>n) writes:
>> 
>> In article <1992Nov14.164724.7387@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
charlet@hubcap.clemson.
>edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>> > hepzibah@zooid.guild.org (Ken Rosser) writes:
>> > 
>> > >From: infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann)
>> > >>
>> > >>I FUCKING HATE AMIGAS!!!
>> > >>ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED
>> > 
>> > >You're just jealous, aren't you?
>> > 
>> > Naaah.  Methinks it's just another poor sap who left his account logged
in..
>.
>> > 
>> > (One would hope...)
>> > 
>> 
>It's "THE" Atari ST owner, he's looking for the guy with the ZX81 to keep him
>company.
>
>HE/SHE NEEDS TECHNICAL ADVICE FROM THE BLOKE WITH THE SUPERIOR MACHINE! :)
>
>
> 
>                                       The beef sandwich
He could be a PC user who's tired of hearing how superior the Amiga is to his
machine.  I have found that when I appear particularly unipressed with 256
color VGA demos at work my coworkers start getting rather annoying calling my
machine an Ameoba.  They say it's because they find Amigans to be annoying
fanatics slightly worse than harikrishnas.  
        Jay Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gcastrat@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Giancarlo Castrataro)
Subject: Re: 68060
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:46:35 GMT

      Let's get one thing clear here:
A 25mhz 68040 wipes the floors with a 25mhz 486, and can compete even with
486/33s (is somewhat faster).  I'm not sure, but I think the 68040 is
internally 50mhz.  Also, I'd expect the floating point for the 68060 to be
good (considering Motorola has always had superior FP).  Let's not forget
that if IBM had waited a few months to make their first PC, that they
would be using Motorola chips, not Intel (the crap inside).
-Giancarlo
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Dixons and the A1200
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:

>Dixons is one of the dealers the woman at CBM UK mentioned when I
>asked for technical information.

>I visited Dixons on Saturday, to check out the new A1200. I searched
>high and low and almost missed it. It was hidden on a very shallow,
>low shelf. I had to crawl on my hands and knees to look at the 
>machine, which had a small card behind it saying `Amiga 1200', and
>a couple of details in smaller print. It was not powered up or
>connected to any sort of display.

>The Sega and Nintendo systems were in prime position and attracting
>quite a crowd. Even the A600 was in a better position, and connected
>to a cheap diplay - although it was not running anything apart from
>the usual Workbench hand (now animated and in a few colours under KS2).
> 
>Over on the business side, all the PC-Compatibles were hooked up
>to expensive hi-res monitors, and running impressive looking colour
>demos of business software, and producing high quality print outs..

>I asked a sales dweeb to show me an A1200. He waved towards it on
>its hidden shelf, and said that its just the same as the A600
>really. I said I wanted to check out its 256000 colours and speed.
>He said it would only look like an A600, as it had no software for
>it. When I pressed further he gave me the same story, and declined
>to show me, sayinging the A1200 did not come with a software
>pack. He said Dixons did not sell any Amiga softare, so he could 
>not demonstrate the A1200. I might have been a potential customer.
>This scene may well have been repeated in Dixons in every high
>street in the UK that day. CBM UK Marketing are you listening?

>I looked at the rows and rows of Nintendo and Sega titles, and the
>crowds buying up these systems in the pre-christmas rush. And I left
>the store in abject desolation and utter despair.


>--
>Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
>Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889

Bottom of the class for Dixons.  I went to look up a 486' PC (yea' but 
Commodore's Amiga machines don't have the software I need!), and the assistant
tried to tell me there was no difference between an SX and DX machine.   When he
realised I knew more than him, he said "Well will you explain that to our
technical person?"

I promptly left.

If they can't do their job, why should I do it for them?

You can't really blame Dixons for prioritising the consoles - they are this
Chritmas's big sellers.   But they could have quite easily run the games they
had for the A600 on the A1200.   Or even the Workbench!

And thumbs down to Commodore for not putting any software with it, or an HD disk
drive.

Though haven't Commodore packaged the thing with Delux Paint?

					The beef sandwich.
From: u0g78@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk (MN Steed)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Text snapper problems with alternate keymap
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:57:38 GMT
Organization: Unsanctioned by Keele University, England

Hello there,

I have recently encounter a problem when using PowerSnap and the usa2
(Dvorak) keymap.

The problem is I can snap text fine, but its gets screwed on pasting.

For example:

hello -> d.nnr

Which is what would be displayed if I were to press the 'h','e','l','l','o'
keys.

Is there a decent text-snapper out there (that works with 3 button mice)
that will handle alternate keymaps? (The docs say this one should...)

Also preferably it'll need to run under 1.3 and 2.0 (although my 2.0 upgrade
has still not turned up....)

Thanks,
	Martin
-- 
Martin N. Steed	

JANET:    u0g78@uk.ac.keele.cs.teach.bilbo
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: No Hard Disk light!!!  Is this important???
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:22:57 GMT

crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) says most sayishly:
>Should I be concerned about this??  I think it's nice to know when the

Nah, I don't think it's serious.  If you want, open up your Amiga and
check to see if the little wire is connected from your hard-card to the
LED light.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:09:47 GMT+12
 <92323.182614BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov19.142226.27864@sophia.smith.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, NZ

In article <1992Nov19.142226.27864@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:
>
>...BUT, how is the OS going to know what memory constitues the
>message?  If I use a message to pass a pointer to a structure
>full of pointers to other bits of data, there could be dozens of
>little pieces of message floating around.  The only thing that
>can know for sure the extent of the message is the application
>sending it.  The receiving application can usually find out but
>even it has to have some pre-programmed knowledge of what to look
>for.

The OS is going to know which memory constitutes the message because the
programmer knows what they're doing and has marked it with MEMF_PUBLIC.

>Sure, I can now use MEMF_PUBLIC when I allocate that memory but
>that still leaves about 99% of current programs that would fall
>flat on their face.  Though I will never say never, I cannot at
>this moment see any way to (1) make protected memory happen (2)
>not break existing software and (3) not take a huge performance
>hit in the process.

I think that 99% is ridiculous, unless you're counting all the toy programs
beginning Amiga programmers write. Personally I'm always careful to use
MEMF_PUBLIC correctly in my programs, in the expectation that one day they
might have to run on a PM machine, even though it doesn't make any difference
now. I'm sure most serious programmers feel the same way.

Remember how all the dimwits whinged about their favourite games breaking
when 2.0 came out, and kept blaming Commodore? Fortunately Commodore had
enough sense to ignore them and go ahead with the upgrade anyway. I think
that whole procedure will simply be repeated when the Amiga goes PM. The
people who used the correct, clearly documented procedures will have no
problems; the people who didn't will either have to wake their ideas up
pretty smartly, or go out of business, and serves them right.

But I doubt whether that will be a serious problem. I suspect that most
Amiga developers learned their lesson with 2.0/ECS, and now they're a lot
more careful about following the rules.

--
...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
   Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
--
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:45:30 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: faatcrl.faa.gov

saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:

>>  Also, while there are still places that don't recognize Copyright Law, it's
>>not really pertinent to the issue of piracy in places that do, is it? 

>First you say that pirating is against the law, and therefore inexcusable.
>Now when confronted with a society which allows pirating without breaking
>a law, you want to throw it out as not pertinent.

  Like I said, which you conviently edited out, companies are not exporting
their products to countries that don't recognize Copyright Law, so it's not 
pertinent.

>People disobey laws which they do not agree with all of the time.  Perhaps
>you don't, and that is interesting, but we are not talking about JUST you,
>and your belief that American Law is one True Religion.

  You're such a twit.  Copyright Law is not a strictly American phenomena,
it's practically globally accepted these days, ever hear of the Bourn
Convention?

  And, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that people break laws.  Ironically,
those that break "traditional" laws, like stealing a car, actually take on
some measure of risk in the process and never whine rationalizations if they're
caught.

  Pissant pirate-twerps probably don't have the balls to actually steal a car
though, eh?


  -jack-
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga:330 misc.forsale.computers:40847
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 21:37:31 EST
From: -((ZERO))- <IO00844@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Microbotics HardFrame 2000 *CHEAP* For Amiga 2000.

I have a Microbotics HardFrame 2000 SCSI Hard Drive controller (for Amiga
2000 computers) FOR SALE. First reasonable offer takes it.
TRADES considered, but prefer $$$.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.announce
Subject: ADPro drivers for new Epson color scanners
From: pk-asdg@cup.portal.com
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:42:50 GMT
Reply-To: pk-asdg@cup.portal.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics


                  ***** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE *****
 
ASDG ADDS SUPPORT FOR NEW EPSON COLOR SCANNERS TO ITS ART DEPARTMENT
PROFESSIONAL. FAMILY
 
ASDG's new driver takes full advantage of the greater speed, resolution,
and options offered by the new ES-600C and ES-800C scanners.  The
suggested price of ASDG's EPSON scanner driver remains unchanged at
$200.
 
Madison WI, November 16, 1992 ----- ASDG Incorporated, the leading
innovator in color imaging technology for the Commodore Amiga,
announce full Art Department Professional. support for two new color
scanners from EPSON, the ES-600C and ES-800C.
 
In revising its driver to fully support the new ES-600C and ES-800C,
ASDG brings its customers all of the advantages these new devices
offer including greater speed, higher resolution, and additional
options, such as an automatic document feeder and the ability to scan
transparencies up to 5 inches square in size.
 
The revised driver retains its compatability with the older ES-300C.
Preserved also is the driver's WYSIWYG operation and ease-of-use.  The
driver is compatible with version 2.1.5 of ASDG's award winning Art
Department Professional as well as ASDG's recently introduced visual
effects package, MorphPlus(TM).
 
For more information about ASDG's color imaging solutions or to
request a user group kit, contact Gina Cerniglia at ASDG Incorporated,
925 Stewart Street, Madison, WI 53713 or call (608) 273 - 6585.
 
Art Department Professional is a registered trademark and MorphPlus
is a trademark of ASDG Incorporated.  Amiga is a registered trademark
of Commodore-Amiga, Inc.  Other trademarks or registered trademarks
are the property of their respective holders.

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From: lauren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Lauren Brown - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.announce
Subject: Amiga animations requested for demo
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: lauren@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Lauren Brown - CATS)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc

The Business Marketing Group of Commodore Business Machines, U.S. has asked
that the following be posted:

	"Call for Classic Animations:  Commodore is looking for rights-free
	Amiga animations created in the classic cartoon-like style for 
	showing off the animation and color capabilities of the Amiga.
	All animations selected will be included in upcoming Commodore
	Amiga demos and will include the name of the illustrator/artist
	and where they can be contacted."

	
Animations should be submitted on standard Amiga floppy disk. A read.me
file should be included on the disk, with the following information:

		*     Name of animation (if any)
		*     Name(s) of artist(s)/animator(s)
		*     Contact information for above
		*     Name of application(s) used to create
		      the animation


Send disks to:

			Commodore Business Machines, Inc.
			Business Marketing Group
			Attention:  Classic Animations
			1200 Wilson Drive
			West Chester, PA 19380

If your animation is chosen for use by Commodore's Business Marketing
group, you will be contacted to verify that the work is freely 
distributable and rights free.

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From: sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.announce
Subject: Commodore Announces Winners of 4000 Reasons Contest
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:23:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.19367
Reply-To: sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: na

[ Minor edits to improve formatting.  -Dan ]

The "Commodore Amiga 4000 Reasons Contest" is now over. The winning
entries, as selected by a panel of judges, are:

GRAND PRIZE: Amiga 4000 with 1960 monitor
WINNER: Eugene T. Cottle
REASON: "Since it was first introduced, the Amiga has been a pioneer.
        While IBM users anticipate the next innovation, Amiga owners
	are already using it."

SECOND PRIZE: Amiga 600HD with 1084S monitor
WINNER: Michael Fontana
REASON: "Used a MAC at school! Used an IBM at work. Bought an Amiga
        for home. To use it is to choose it!"

THIRD PRIZE (TIE): AmigaVision Professional
WINNER: David Klinkowize
REASON: "By using Amiga's audio/video applications, I started, at
        age fourteen, DWK Productions, my own video business, which
	will finance my college tuition."

WINNER: Mike Savin
REASON: "It's Advanced, Mind-blowing, Incredible, Graphics and Animation
        Has Awakened My Imagination Genius, and Artistry!  My AMIGA is
	an Astonishing Mesmerizing Indispensible Genuine Amiga (friend)!"
        (Mike prepared his entry quite artistically). 

There were over 2,500 entries . . . some humorous, some technical . . .
descriptive, graphic and on and on.

Commodore Business Machines, Inc. sincerely thanks all participants for
their time and efforts with this contest!

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Subject: Thinker 2.1.4 information processor demo available for ftp
From: alan@uts.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: alan@uts.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc

David Talmage has taken the time to package the Hacker Jargon
document as a Thinker document.  Access to this document requires
the Demo (Read-Only) version of Thinker which I have released 
to many BBS's and have even sent to Fred Fish.  I have reviewed
the information below and request that it be posted in
"comp.sys.amiga.announce".  I am the sole proprietor of 
Poor Person Software.  Thanks!!


TITLE
	Thinker Demo

VERSION
	2.1.4

COMPANY
	Poor Person Software
	3721 Starr King Circle
	Palo Alto, CA 94306

	(415) 493-7234

DESCRIPTION
	From the Thinker manual: "Thinker is a Hierarchical Text processor
	with HyperText.  A Thinker document is made up of a collection of
	paragraphs and images (referred to as "statements" or "branches"
	in this manual) arranged hierarchically and containing textual
	links to each other.  All textual statements in a Thinker document
	can have a number of labels and can be referenced by a string
	(a link) that "names one of the labels."

	In other words, you can use Thinker to display words and pictures.
	Thinker allows you to organize your ideas in a non-linear way, 
	to navigate from one point to another, and to find your way back to
	where you started.

	Thinker can talk to other programs via AREXX.

NEW FEATURES
	CD-ROM support.

	This version of Thinker supports "External Links", connections to
	"flat" files.  This is useful for displaying text that 	must be 
	formatted "just so" and for accessing read-only files like CD-ROM 
	dictionaries.

SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS
	You don't need a hard disk, but it helps.  Floppy-only users are 
	advised to get a copy of ASDG's FACC II floppy accelerator.

	Thinker uses a lot of memory.  

	AREXX.

HOST NAME
	amiga.physik.unizh.ch (130.60.90.90)
	guvax.georgetown.edu (141.161.1.2)

DIRECTORY
	biz/demo		(amiga.physik.unizh.ch)
	hypertext/thinker	(guvax.georgetown.edu)

FILE NAMES
	think214.lzh

PRICE
	The demo is free.  You can also get one directly from Poor Person 
	Software for US$5.00.

DISTRIBUTABILITY
	Copyright (c) 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 by Poor Person Software.
	The demo version is freely distributable.

OTHER
	If you'd like to see a big document all marked up for Thinker,
	download jarg2910.lha.  It's in the same directory as think214.lzh 
	on both amiga.physik.unizh.ch and guvax.georgetown.edu.

	Jarg2910.lha contains the famous hacker "Jargon File" plus
	some tools for converting the plain text Jargon File into
	a Thinker document.

	Jarg2910.lha requires a hard disk.

	There is said to be a Mac version of Thinker.  Contact Poor Person
	Software for details.


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