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From: roh@CS.ColoState.EDU (Lucas Roh)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:04:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan


At least one person had trouble deciphering my last message.  
Here is the meat without the fat:

    The way to stop a nonprogressive argument is for one side of the argument 
    to stop arguing.  Since the Japan-bashers (or I guess the protectionists
    might be more appropriate) probably would not do so, I am asking the other 
    side to stop.  Arguments get very dull when the other side does not 
    respond, effectively putting an end to it.  
		
    Now I said this so that I would not have to see these arguments on 
    sci.electronics and misc.entrepreneurs.  My asking does not apply to
    other newsgroups where they might be more appropriate 
    (maybe soc.culture.usa and soc.culture.japan).  Please edit the 
    "Newsgroups:" line when you reply.  That's all.  


OK, time for a little humor (maybe a bit insider-ish), based on actual email
correspondences:
Me: "Why did you post this in sci.electronics?".
Him: "Because the Japanese make electronics".
:-)

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Help !! == cable TV on second floor ==
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:08:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Dec18.150504.13403@ll.mit.edu>, cogen@ll.mit.edu (David Cogen) writes:
> |> > Is it against code to run tv cable to the second floor through the cold-air
> |> > intake??
> |> 
> |> Only if it's plenum-grade (i.e., Teflon insulated) cable. Otherwise,
> |> no.
> 
> So, what is it about cold air intake ducts that makes for a harsh environment?
> I can't see why any standard cable would not be sufficient. Please explain.

It's not that the return air ducts are a harsh environment; rather, they're
afraid of what would happen in case there is a wiring fire.  Standard
cable insulation emits nasty gases when it burns.  If the cable is in an
air duct, it will be spread immediately throughout the building, courtesy
of the fan.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: auto battery rec?
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:59:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

Since I make heavy electrical demand on the system
(driving lights to spot deer/elk and run a variety
of radio transmitting equipment) I wonder if anyone
can suggest a specific brand of heavy duty battery.

I've called around a bit here (Flagstaff is not a
big place) and found one called a "sub-zero" from
a chain ("auto zone") with a 6 year warranty at a
pretty reasonable price ($55 with core exchange).

This is for an '88 Jeep Cherokee.

Drop me a note and I'll summarize if worthwhile.
THANKS!

- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Auto Windshield Replacement; Orig. Equip. vs Brand X
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:06:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkf.col.hp.com

hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude) writes:
> 
> I've decided to go with cheap and convenient (big surprise, eh?,) but
> I'm paranoid enough to wonder whether there is any real difference in
> specs between windshield glass that Honda sells and brand-X windshield
> glass.
> 
> I mean, will the first gnat/snow-flake to hit the shiny new non-Honda
> windshield cause the glass to shatter into a bizillion pieces?
> 
> Opinions anyone?
> -- 

I had my windshield replaced in the fall by one of the cheap & convenient
folks. I have since had both gnats and snowflakes impact the glass with
no adverse effects (except to the gnat). So the answer to your specific
question is No. 

Really -- I haven't had any problems. But nothing heavy has hit the glass,
either. I think there are fairly strict fed regs about what can be used,
though.

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: TV INFOMERCIALS
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

-> There are numerous infomercials on TV now and most have various
-> celebrities that are either selling the products or endorsing them.
-> Does anybody know whether they are paid for selling the products or
-> are they just doing it for the publicity and exposure?  Thanks,
-> Peggy Wageman

Sorry I can't remember where I read it, but I think Cher (what is that,
Cher Smith, Cher Exbono, what, but anyway, I digress...) got ONE MILLION
DOLLARS for the makeup thing infomercial.
                               
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: CHP DOES HAVE RADAR!
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:51:17 GMT

In article <1fvs6cINN7fn@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>Folks, if you are going to drive in CA, drop by the DMV and buy and
>READ THE VEHICLE CODE!!!  You will find that only a uniformed officer
>may issue traffic tickets.  [I don't recall if the same section
>required the vehicle to be marked as well...]

Even better than reading the vehicle code from the DMV (or any other
official code, vehicle or otherwise, in California or other states), is
to go the library and get the annotated version.

In California, that would be a multi-volume set of books called something
like "West's California Code Annotated."  Many libraries will have a copy.
This will consist of the California Code (of which the vehicle code is
a part) *plus* notes for each section summarizing most or all appellate
or higher court decisions involving that section.

For example, if the vehicle code does require that the vehicle be marked,
but does not say what markings are required, then you will want to look
in the annotated code to see if any court decisions have defined what
it means to be marked.

--Tim Smith
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Legal Tender???
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec15.195746.2482@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>a sorta-related issue: why are usans so squirrely about
>large-denomination banknotes?  if you read other newsgroups then you
>know i travel the world; i've only seen this sort of braindeath in the
>usa ... i have a hundred-guilder note from the netherlands in my billfold,
>and if i go to a dutch newsstand and buy a three-guilder newspaper the
>merchant will make change cheerfully, will not fret and fuss over the
>denomination, and i'll be on my way in minutes.
>
     Even in the US, its usually only certain businesses that 
     won't take the large notes...and even then it may be that they
     will only take large notes in the daytime and not at night.

     The usual reason for not taking large notes is that you must
     then have a supply of change for them on hand.  Here in the US
     we have a pretty fair percentage of low-lifes who consider this
     money THEIRS...   They will use weapons to get at it.  

     Convenience store attendants, service station attendants, taxi
     drivers, etc. thus become a source of income for these low
     lifes...   This makes things dangerous for the attendants.   To
     help protect them, several companies discourage keeping much
     cash on hand at all--particularly during the peak danger hours.

     Does it work?  Sadly not...the lowlifes involved will use a gun
     to get $5 or less.  And their total lack of concern for the
     health and safety of the innocent attendant or cab driver in
     getting that lousy few bucks makes me very sad that this
     country frowns on retroactive abortion.    You see there is a
     fairly significant portion of our population that blames
     society for the lack of morals of our criminals.  Rather than
     just removing them from the gene pool instantly when they show
     lack of concern for other peoples property, health, and life,
     they coddle them and penalize the merchants for attempting
     local initiatives.   Then they wonder why the problem is on the
     increase.

     There is also the general decline in service and politeness in
     the US...but that's not the original reason.  Stations, stores,
     etc. USED to cheerfully offer change--up until this became
     dangerous to their health.  


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Bread Makers
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:39:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Mohan Jayaram (jayaram@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
: What are the features/functions one should look for in a 	
: Bread Machine? Any recommendations on good models from a
: price or value viewpoint would be appreciated. If this topic
: has already been discussed on the net would someone kindly
: e-mail me the summary? Thanks!

This topic is discussed often in rec.food.cooking.  There might even
be an FAQ in rec.food.sourdough.

--Ken
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: OK..why shouldnt I get an extended car warranty?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:51:50 GMT

In article <BzBxu0.M4@cup.hp.com> staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:
>I just bought my new car, a Mercury Tracer LTS.  Today's session with
>the sales people was to talk financing and "other options".  They made
>the extended car warranty sound OH SO GOOD.  After listening to him,
>I couldnt remember anything the net has said about these warranties.
>I need to be reminded...why are they such a bad deal?  On principle, it
>sounds great.  For $660 I can get an extra 2 years of coverage.  And the
>brochure they give indicates a lot of things that are covered.  I have
>a lot of power options like door locks and windows.  Couldnt they fail
>during years 4 and 5?  What didnt the sales guy tell me?  What was he
>leaving out?
>
>Yeah, I turned it down.  But they will be "giving me another chance" to
>take it when I pick up the car.  I wonder how many other chances will I
>get afterwards?
>

you may want to reconsider if you are planning on keeping the car for
a while - a lot of cars today have a tendancy to start having major
problems after 70K, on my Taurus, for instance, since it hit 70K (its at
74K now) I've replaced the air conditioner pulley (which is zigzagged and
snaked around on the engine & is a bear to get at - it went out while we 
were on our way to Salem - luckily we had a friend in Red Bluff - who has
a shop (Weedetr) who helped get a new part and replace it - we then 
turned the repair bill in to Ford and they paid it all) - last week the
power steering hose and something else went out (the hose wasn't
covered, but the rest of the work was)

-- 
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\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin)
Subject: PRODIGY STILL SUCKS and is HORRIBLE
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:09:12 GMT
Organization: Not Just Another Pretty Face

In article <4789@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:

>> >I just read on alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
>> >something about Prodigy uploading stuff from peoples HD's.
>> 
>> but that rumor is the biggest
>> bunch of **** that's hit the rumor circuit in some time.
>> Knowledgeable net people, help me out.  Every reputable source I've read says
>> the accusations are a crock... Any one else wanna jump in on this one?

>I would count myself as being quite knowledgeable on this matter.
>No, there is definitely _no_proof_ against Prodigy on the charges
>of invasion of privacy.

The reason there's no proof is because Prodigy isn't doing it.  It's
very hard to prove things that aren't true.

>However, the Prodigy software does have
>the capability to download any piece of code and execute it. Say
>IBM wanted to know how many Prodigy users have some specific
>software packages. [fantasy scheme for snooping on a hard disk deleted]

So?  This sentence could be a trigger to news readers all over the
country to start inserting worms and viruses all over the Internet.
I can come up with lots of fantasy software that will do all sorts
of evil things.  Sure they're implementable, but does that mean they're
true?

Of course it's possible to snoop on someone's PC system,
but any reputable software provider, from Microsoft to Mike Shareware,
doesn't do these kind of things.  If they did and they were caught at
it, they'd be in big trouble -- either with the law or with their
customers, who would never come near them again.

>If you have confidential data on your computer, I
>do suggest that you don't use Prodigy. Neither run
>Prodigy while you have your network active.

This is ignorance -- the Prodigy software doesn't threaten the
confidentiality of anything on your disk, your network, or whatever
you've got hooked up to your PC.

Disclaimer: I work as a telecom programmer for Prodigy.  So everything
I say must be part of the evil conspiracy.... :-)

-- 
Ed Ravin            | I like to think (it has to be!) of a cybernetic ecology
eravin@panix.com    | where we are free of our labors and joined back to nature
philabs!trintex!elr | returned to our mammal brothers and sisters,
+1 914 993 4737     | and all watched over by machines of loving grace
From: ssn@nail.msk.su (Mikle Rzuanin)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Information about Russia:Politics,Economy,Markets,Business news.Daily or Weekly!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:01:32 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: NEWS NETWORK SERVICE, Ltd
Reply-To: ssn@nail.msk.su
Keywords: information, Russia, Politics, Economy, Markets, Business

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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu (Aravind Shenai)
Subject: Help: Sanyo Service in MD
Originator: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Reply-To: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Organization: Biomedical Engg, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT

Hi
	Does anyone know the address and phone number of Sanyo customer
service in Maryland? Please reply to me by email if you have them, I'd 
appreciate it very much. 

Thanks 
-Aravind
-- 
ARAVIND SHENAI                           | Internet : shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
University of Alabama at Birmingham      |
From: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: 8mm camcorder info
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:29:46 GMT
Reply-To: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo

Hi,

I know this subject has been discussed many times here, but I don't
have previous info...

My VHS camcorder suddenly refused to work after 3 years. I am looking for
8mm this time since it is much lighter and easy to carry...

If you can suggest any good brand and model, I would greatly appreciate..

Thanks in advance! 

shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: weidman@nap.amoco.com (Dan Weidman)
Subject: Re: NordicTrack
Reply-To: weidman@nap.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:02:53 GMT

In article 17205@cbfsb.cb.att.com, disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs) writes:

>a couple of weeks at a local gym.  Realize however that it will take about 
>3 or 4 time till the motion seems natural if your not already a x-country 
>skier
>
>
>David Isaacs			If I said it, why balme anyone else?


What does nordic trak have to do with X-C?  It feels like skiing thru
ten inches of mud to me -- exercise yes, skiing NO!  Personally I 
prefer roller skiing.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: AmEx Vs Visa
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:23:23 GMT

In article <4890047@pollux.svale.hp.com> dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com (Danny Low) writes:
>>(Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) 
>>IMHO, the only time using AmEx is not bonehead stupid is if your
>>company pays for it, or if you are traveling internationally.  The same
>>thing goes for their Shearson financial services.
>
>AmEx is worth it if you do a lot of traveling. Period. Hotel reservations
>guaranteed by AmEx are truly guaranteed unlike Visa/MC where they
>are technically not a guarantee. The odds of a Visa/MC guarantee NOT
>being honored is very low BUT if you do a lot of traveling, you will
>encounter such a situation if you use only Visa/MC. AmEx is also much
>more aggressive in getting hotels, airlines, etc. to provide extra
>ammenities like express checkout. You can get many of the same extras 
>with SOME Visa/MC cards but AmEx always seems to be ahead in quality
>and quantity. For example, AmEx started the extended warranty program.
>Visa/MC cards who offer the same thing did so only after AmEx proved
>the value of such a program.
>

	Plus, AmEx one gets a carbon copy of "charge" receipt on every
charge you made (along with the itemised list, which is
convient) in your MONTHLY statement.  I don't know of other
cards doing it, i.e. VISA of Master Card. 



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\___________________|) .____.--"--"---._____       | E-mail:giand@opencon.com
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: "Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:12:42 GMT

In article <1gappuINNf0s@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu>, guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:

|> Hello!?!? Are you as stupid as the above sentence tends to
|> paint you as?!? AA has nothing to do with admitting people with
|> lower scores than (others). AA has to do with making an effort to
|> include minorities into your search process. 

That was a pretty stupid statement. AA as practiced by American Universities
is based on the practice of admitting (otherwise equally qualified) minorities
with lower scores over their white counterparts. This is how AA actually works.

|> >Since we
|> >also know that blacks in general take a different statistical
|> >mix of courses from other groups, your assertion is highly
|> >questionable.
|> 
|> This statement, more than any other you have ever made has led me
|> to wonder how you could ever have obtained a job at a company like
|> microsoft. You have ignored SO MANY issues in making the above 
|> statement that it is a wonder that ANYONE could POSSIBLY BELIEVE
|> that you have any GRASP on SCIENCE at ALL.

That's funny considering that he didn't make a statement. He noted the
existence of an alternative issue. Reread what he wrote and your response.
Are you just stupid? It looks as though you responded to a completelly
different post.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.culture.african.american
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: misc.education,alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,soc.women
Subject: Re: "Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby"
Date: 11 Dec 1992 13:28:35 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

>Name these wrongs and please identify the mythical AA programs to which
>access is based on having been so victimized rather than all actual AA
>programs to which access is based on race.

Glenn KKKoolKKKey

You have consistently ignored evidence in the past. Could you 
please stop requesting such evidence, that you fully intend to
ignore in the future, on this group?

Thanks,
Stan

>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information


Of course not. They are the opinions of Glen KKKooley.


Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination