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From: MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:06:07 GMT
 <FRANCIS.92Apr13191456@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

What about an *animated* movie?

It would cut down on star salaries, and *hopefully*, if anyone in the biz has
 seen Japanese anime (or just Harmony Gold's _Robotech_),  we might be able to
see, say, the first story arc without much change...

A cunning animator would attempt to get hold of Gaiman's scripts...they're
pretty damn cinemagraphic...Some filling in 'between panels' should be all that
 is necessary...and probably cutting out Mister Miracle and J'onn, but that
seems to be a given. Whose voice for Dream?


Rebis
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: WILD CARDS
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:26:56 GMT

In article <11042@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.174650.1178@bvc.edu> daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:
>	If any of you have access to GEnie, the authors hang out there
>in the science fiction bulletin boards, and take all sorts of comments
>from the unwashed masses.  
>	However, there's none of the "you guys suck up/no we don't"
>flaming that goes on here.  The maturity level is _much_ higher,
>and signal to noise is pretty good.

	Yup. They, at least, know the meaning and uses of politeness (and none
of this manners-are-subjective-and-therefore-I-don't-have-to-follow-them
crap I see elsewhere on the net.


>	Gee, I wonder if that's why Peter hangs out there more than 
>here?

	Well, that and the fact that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper
than going through Portal...
-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO 100
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:24:44 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA

In article <1992Apr13.164153.24698@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s913391@minyos (Antony Ross Lazarus) writes:
>Apparently, something BIG is planned for issue 100... if there are any veteran
>Groo-heads out there who witnessed a special event from a previous series or
>something, what are we in for ?!

Groo, like the sun, moon, and rain, is always Groo.  He will get in
frays, kill the wrong people, sink boats and ships, err constantly, and
be called a mendicant (which he is not).  He is a natural force, like
earthquakes or tornados or plagues of locust.

Perhaps he will finally get some cheese dip.
-- 
     Doug Moran     | "Just because I wear this dress doesn't mean I don't put
{...}!hal.com!dougm | my panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I mean."
   dougm@hal.com    | "Not really."
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From: tsait@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: Re: Wildcards (and Lew Shiner rant)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.090807.15488@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>>>|> Well, I kind of thought things hit a low point during Wild Cards Abroad,  
>>>|> but I think it's shaped up pretty nicely since then.
>>>|> 
>>>
>>>	I agree...I think "Aces Abroad" is the weakest of the series. My 
>>>personal favorite is "Ace in the Hole" (#6), especially for the Golden Boy
>>>appearances.
>
>Since I can never keep out of a fun thread...
>
>ACES ABROAD is the only book I haven't read.  When I first started reading WC
>(up untill DEAD MAN'S HAND) I borrowed the books from a friend(it was Ben to all
>those readers from home(hi KAT)).  He told me that A.A. was poor and just to 
>skip it.  Since I was able to pick up all of the important things in the book 
>from the later books, I don't miss it.

Hmm.  I thought that I was the only one that felt that way.  For the record, 
I picked up Ace in the Hole #6 first, then went back and read #1-3, started #4
and put it down and then read #5.  Later when I was really bored (wating *&^%$
6 months for the next one) I went back and read #4.  It was OK.  I think that
it's worth reading if you really like Wild Cards.  It explains a LOT about
how screwed up Mackie Messer was, and it was neat to read about all the 
stuff Golden Boy alluded to in #6.  

>BTW--was it me or did the fact that Tachyon was infected by the wild card virus
>seem to have been forgotten in the storyline ending in DOUBLE SOLLITARE?

I wondered about that myself.  I also remember Tachyon saying something about
how stress would likely trigger the virus to expression and how he had to 
keep calm.  It didn't seem to me that Kelly could have stayed very calm 
with all that she went through in his body and with Blaise.  Anyone one on
GEnie ask them?  I find it hard to believe that George R.R. Martin would
overlook something like that.  

And while I'm at it, did anyone else not notice that JJ Flash was one of 
Cap't Tripp's "friends" until much later (like book 8?). 

tsait@rpi.edu

"Don't cry for me Argentina--" *WHACK*



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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 16:58:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.075828.9456@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> I understand some places are still aliasing rec.arts.sf.misc to
> rec.arts.sf-lovers, but I'm surprised if it's true that Princeton
> is not yet getting the other groups.

As I recall, there was a bit of a flap involving the Usenet adminstrator at
Princeton considering the sf-l split revote to be invalid due to the lack of a
6 month waiting period (if you don't know what I mean by this, don't ask. You
*really* don't want to know the details of the sf-l split flame war), with an
announcement that they'd be keeping r.a.sf-l.

>Besides, now tyg will probably trump me by describing the days when you could
>read the entire Net in less time than it now takes to read r.a.c.  :-) ] ) 

Hell, I remember the days you read the whole net in less time than it took to
read Mike's article. Take a look at one of the history posts about the net
sometime, and note that A news was intended to handle a whopping 20 articles a
day or so. For the entire Usenet.  Of course, when Usenet started out, and a
period I recall, the entire map consisted of:
duke---unc
(while I'm not sure, it's likely the first recorded flame on Usenet dealt with
the respective basketball programs at UNC-CH and the State University of New
Jersey at Durham, NC). But I remember this mainly because I happened to be at
UNC at the time.

My personal favorite split proposal is totally impractical, but I'd love to
see it;
rec.arts.comics.articles.where.only.needed.material.is.quoted.and.sigs.are.short
and
rec.arts.comics.articles.with.more.than.a.screen.of.quoted.material.before.any.
original.material.is.added.

I think there'd be a major increase in readability and speed if people would
take the trouble to edit down messages they're replying to so that only the
needed material to understand the new message is included. And I'm still
waiting for anyone to explain why, unless commenting on it, there's ever any
call to include the .sig from the message you're quoting from.

"Mr. Caffiene is our friend." --me at 0900 on day 5 of a Worldcon
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:42:29 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <ewf2.703039302@Ra.MsState.Edu> ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Eric "JUICE" Fritzius) writes:

>lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>>In the latest issue of Aboriginal SF, Susan Ellison's film column has
>>this comment:
>>"Adding to the list of growing comic book translations are an animated
>>_Elfquest:_The_Movie_ and a screen version of the successful DC comic
>>_Sandman_, written by Neil Gaiman."
>I'm not sure if I understand your post correctly.  Are you saying
>that the article said that the Sanman movie would be
>written by Neil Gaiman or are you saying that Sandman, by Neil
>Gaiman, is being developed into a movie written by someone else.

Time to Re-open trhe nominations for the Sandman cast, methinks.
Anyone remember them? Brian Blessed for Destruction is the only one that comes 
to mind, and we haven't even seen Destruction in ~3000 years.

Andrew

PS: Let's not forget David Bowie for Desire, Lucifer, *and* John Constantine!
From: doctor@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Bao-Phac Do)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL:X-Men Traitor
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:12:03 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montral VLSI lab.

In article <1992Apr9.105231.277@cnsvax.uwec.edu> breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC) writes:
>I don't believe that the tratior is Gambit or Bishop but the evil
>doplanghger(sp?) of... you guessed it!
>
>Suicide Squid!!
>
>It would be a touching story a a brave young squid forced to go bad by the
>air breathing society that scorned him.
>
>I myself wait, breathlessly.
>Scotty B


no no no, you got it all wrong. it's the Manhunters !

d0c
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From: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING)
Subject: *** JIM LEE ***
Followup-To: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:31:46 GMT

Is anyone out there selling signed Jim Lee comics?  Drop me a line
and send a price, I'll see what I can afford (Thanks in advance!)

Jim Chuong
University of Toronto
chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu

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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Subject: PEOPLE: Jayembee retires from r.a.c.
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:02:27 GMT

MAYNARD--It was announced today that long time r.a.c. net.personality Jerry
(Jayembee) Boyajian had retired from r.a.c.. When asked about his reasons for
doing so, Boyajian replied "I didn't want to have to admit this, but I have a
terrible allergy to squid. It's so extreme that even the mention of the word
on a computer screen will cause my typing fingers to break out in hives. I 
tried to deal with r.a.c. after the infestation for almost a year, but the
recent announcement of a second t-shirt run pushed it over the edge."

------------------------------------------------------------

OK, so I made up the part about the squid allergy. But it's my unfortunate
duty to inform y'all that Jerry is no longer reading r.a.c.. I noticed that
he'd not been posting here but had been elsewhere, and sent him email to ask
about this.  He replied that he's currently only reading a few comics and
tending to read those in batches rather than as they come out. That tends to
give r.a.c. a personal low s/n ratio, and combined with other demands on his
time, he's currently dropped r.a.c. as well as some other groups he was
previously active in. When I asked, he gave me the OK to post about this
here.

Jerry has been active (boy, has he been active...) in r.a.c. for at least 6
years, probably longer, and probably since before the majority of r.a.c.ers 
even heard of Usenet. He's consistently provided informative responses to
questions as well as interesting commentary. He also was inadvertantly
responsible for what I consider one of the funniest posts in the history of
r.a.c. when a rookie accused him of not being very familiar with comics. 
Now, given that Jerry used to have "Bibliography is my business" as a part of
his .sig and was serious about it, and had clearly demonstrated over the years
that he was one of the r.a.c.ers with the most in-depth knowledge of comics,
that post had me on the floor.

tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com


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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: FAQ/SQUID request
Keywords: sushirts
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.150557.7884@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
>By the way, tyg, I hope that DC doesn't get any funny ideas about 
>creating a character called Suicide Squid because so many fans wrote in
>to JLA begging for SS's membership...do you have trademark or copywrite
>protection? (I think I recall the shirt saying "(circle-c) A TYG and
>R.A.C production").

According to the shirt which I am wearing right this very minute, it's
"A TYG-MM r.a.c. production".  There's no copyright symbol.  Or ...
could my source have sold me a bootleg?  Naaah... (I didn't give his
name to prevent his being deluged by requests.  Mr. Tact, that's me)

I am still impressed by the quality of this shirt, especially the 
dolorous expression on Squiddy's face (such as it is).  A mucho
mournful mollusk, methINKs.

The thought of SS being appropriated by one of the Big Two gives me
the cold robbies (as Albert the Alligator would say).

By the way, who's MM?  Eddie Maise?  Mickey Mouse?  Mister Miracle?
Martin Mull?  Mary Martin?  Megaton Man?  Miracleman?  Meg Murray?

I'm gonna go admire it in the mirror now...
--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
      Hail to the sun god!  He is a fun god!  Ra!  Ra!  Ra! 
                                  -Shea and Wilson, _Illuminatus!_
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From: lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:36:31 GMT

In article <visser.702972878@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	Yes, but Shooter is largely responsible for the original "death" of
>Jean Gray.  The character should never have been killed in the first place.

What?!! _The Dark Phoenix Saga_ was one of the best stories I ever
read precisely BECAUSE of the ending. Jean Grey, hanging on to a
shred of humanity, realizes that she cannot control the Phoenix
force without being corrupted into Dark Phoenix and kills herself.
What ruined this story was bringing her back.
All IMO, of course.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: SQUID: Anyone want kids' Squid shirts?
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:19:13 GMT

Or to put it another way..."Would you like a Squid shirt little child?"

OK, this goes over the line from nuts to downright crazy, but I have gotten
three requests so...

I'd like to find out how much interest there is in doing kid-size Suicide Squid
shirts. Let me first emphasize the problems with doing such; first, the number
of different sizes might cause problems in getting volume discounts on shirts.
Second, the design is a bit large for many kids' sizes; a smaller design would
require a different set of screens be made.

So if you're interested in kid sized Suicide Squid shirts (I always did want to
be accused of corrupting minors...), send me email telling me how many and in
what size(s), and the maximum amount you'd be willing to pay for such, not
including postage. Don't tell me you'd pay any price; let me know how much you'd
be willing to actually spend on one. If there are enough requests and the
economics look like they'd work, it may be possible to do them. Fair warning
though; it's almost certain that the cost of a child shirt will be higher than
for an adult shirt due to loss of economies of scale.

"Hey! Hey, did you see that, everybody? That young lady just passed my baby
without leaning over and making a silly face and going 'gaa gaa goo goo gaa!'
She's not normal!" --Shade, the Changing Man
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Greenhorn
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:13:21 GMT


	I recently started reading these news letters, and decided it looked
	fun and informative.  Although I'm not an expert on a lot of things,
	like everyone else I have an opinion and some knowledge on a lot of
	different topics.  It seems right now the topic of discussion is the
	X-Force, Rob Liefield dilema.  Well, I have some input.  First, I read
	that someone disliked his art.  Well, from every indication I've ever
	read, the kid never had formal art training, so you have to give him 
	some credit.  Have any of you ever tried to draw something with depth,
	and perspective.  Its pretty damn difficult if you've never been shown.
	Another part to this RL, X-Force discussion is the plot.  Now this is
	a problem, I have to agreen with the majority.  The senselss violence
	(and I happen to enjoy most senseless violence), that is continually
	depicted is very tasteless and boring.  The character development is 
	a little too shaky.  One minute everyone is a team, the next their 
	fighting against each other (the Feral&Cannonball incident).  I don't
	really see X-Force's point in their "mission".  And what the hell is 
	up with all this time/alter time lines/stark future/different reality
	bull-shit that Marvel has recently started.  Time lines are hard enough
	to keep up with when characters go into cross-overs.  This BEOWIP in
	and out of our time and the future is like a bad Spielberg movie.
	X-Force will definately have to evolve if it wants to survive.  But 
	then again almost all things mature with time.  Look at some early
 	(ishs 20+) of the X-Men, it was like a 50's Sci-Fi gone awry.  Well,
	this soap box is starting to wobble under my feet.  Again, I'm always 
	up for an intelligent discussion or debate.  I'm glad to give my input.
	Please reply (I'm so lonely and pathetic).  Intrests include:
	Punisher, Wolverine, X-Men, Spiderman, X-Force, Aliens, Preditor, 
	Anthologies (Atomica, Darkhorse), Star Wars (DH).

	__________________________
	Steve Husty
	The Jester
	"Amused by the Masses"
	Email: husty@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu
	
	"Who is more foolish, the fool, or the fool that follows the fool"
						-Obi Wan "Ben" Kenobi
From: cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:53:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr6.205340.7897
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr4.182925.20636@midway.uchicago.edu> gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <92094.231942MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>I hope they resolve the Psylocke-Cyclops-Jean triangle quickly. The only thing
>>'Locke and Cyke have in common are the Y's in their names. To me this is just a
>>poor diversion from the sure-fire conclusion that Jean and Scott are meant for
>>each other. I mean, come on. Are we meant to believe that Scott, who so
>>mourned the death of "Jean" (phoenix), fell in love and married her copy, and
>>then abandoned her to be with the real thing--the love of his life from the
>>first moment she walked into the X-mansion--is somehow ga-ga over Psylocke all
>>of the sudden? I think...not.
>>
>>--BJP
>
>I agree totally!!!!! Marvel, if you're listening, this is a 
>STUPID idea!!!!!!  A love triangle with Scott and Jean
>right now is totally bogus!!!!!!  
>
>What ever happened to their marriage?????  All those stupid
>hints in X-Factor and now nothing?
>
>A love triangle with Gambit, Rogue, and Jubilee is more like it.
>
Ahhhhhh! my friends but who has Scott dated besides Jean Grey and her clone.
I myself think I have found the woman I will marry but I have dated a few
people before her.  Do you really think Cyclops could get by on masturbation 
and fantasies alone.  I agree that Cyclops should marry Jean Grey but I think 
it would be excellent if they both saw the world a little and came back to each
other.   Just my opinion.

-Later


--
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: split (yes, again.)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:47:40 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.


  It's possible that the fact that people use the tags MARVEL, DC etc indicates
that a split on those lines would work.  I view the use of that type of tagging
as the first step on the way to a full split.
-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Apr 16 16:47:39 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: hwa5@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denni c hwang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MARVEL: X-various
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:12:07 GMT

Well, just to respond to several points on different x-related threads...

I believe the "short-lived alias" that Dani went through between Psyche and
Mirage (trivia answer) was Spellbinder.  The only time-scale reference I can
put on that name is that it was used during the X-Men/Micronauts limited
series, whenever _that_ was meant to have happened.

I don't think a Scott-Jean-Betsy triangle is a serious possibility.  It
strikes me more that Betsy just happens to be particularly eye-catching
(especially in swimwear, which she seems to wear inordinately often) and
Scott, while "committed", isn't blind by any means.  Let's not dismiss pure
and simple lust as an option.

As for the Bishop-X-traitor-possible-future thing, there are already certain
indications that Bishop's timeline may be divergent from the current "reality"
of the Marvel Universe _already_.  Remember UX-Men 287 (?) when Bishop first
"recognizes" the X-Men and says something like "But you...your face is
_almost_ the Angel's, but..." in reference to Warren.  This to me either
suggests that he's from a timeline where Warren was never meddled with by
Apocalypse, or possibly a future development reverting Warren to his former
self (I heard rumors about this being in the works...)  But since he doesn't
recognize Archangel at all, it seems that the latter never existed in his
history.

I agree that Gambit is too obvious a choice for the traitor.  However, knowing
that Remy LeBeau hails from a clan, perhaps LeBeau/Witness is a relative of
his (brother, offspring, whatever?)  Maybe the X-Men will bring someone back
with them after the Big Easy storyline...or someone will follow them...

As regards the X-odus, I personally will be sad to see Lee and Portacio go
(and I haven't got the income to start dropping bucks for Image), but if
Marvel manages to get competent replacements, it might be worth the price in
order to get rid of Liefield.  Unfortunately, without Claremont's plotting and
scripting, and without a good artist, I'd have serious doubts as to the future
of the books.  Character loyalty only goes so far.  If JRjr returns, his
pencils are good, but bad inkers have ruined the art.  I'm not crazy about
Kubert, but as before, a good finisher might help.

Enough!  I'm done.

--Dennis
(No longer just lurking)
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: MUTANT: My Son The Mutant (was anti-mutie prejudice)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:09:47 GMT

In <56188@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I mean, how jazzed would you be, as a parent, if you thought you might have
>a kid who's going to develop magnetic powers and want to take over the world?

If s/he was well disposed towards me, great!  Maybe I can get a cushy
cabinet post.

"We're so proud of Magnus.  I know he left 60,000 homo sapiens on an
 iceburg, but he's always made sure we could spend summers in Miami."

                           "Watch it -- we've got Moog synthesizers!  We could
                            kill you from here!"
                                           -- MST3K
---
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