From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Subject: Dave's chart
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:34:24 GMT
Organization: AUS

I just got to read Eric's brief interpretation of Dave's chart and finally
got to see Dave's chart. (I know, Dave, that you posted it again for me, but
somehow "Save" wasn't working that day. :-) )  Dave's got a goodie here -
really interesting, I think. (As an aside to Dave - please don't take
anything personally, including the compliments. :-) )
  
When I read charts, I use planets, houses (but I prefer Koch), signs, and
Chiron. But even with the basics I'm fascinated with this 5th house-
11th house theme and this business everywhere with MOM. (I'm always looking
for themes - must be my English background). 

I see this person who has a real hurt from not being able to treasure his
own individuality, his own creativity, his own soleness. He has so much
energy thrusting outwards into society and social togetherness that it
leaves no energy to explore his own unique abilities for self-expression.
And I suspect this comes from a lack of appreciation from his parents for
his childhood creations. He's got a POWERFUL mother - POWERFUL and ambivalent.
The image I get when I look at his chart is The Dark Mother, The Devouring
Mother. This is the mom who is terrifying in her darkness, her coldness,
her restrictions placed upon him (and no, I didn't read anything about
his mother or his dad). But she is also the absolute source of his survival.
It's that uncomfortable feeling a child has when he knows that his beloved
mother can become the Destroyer at any moment. That moon in the 8th is 
a killer - and in Taurus opposed to Scorpio. (I LOVE that symbolism here.)
Taurus is such a fixed, stubborn sign in a planet that hates change in a
house that represents change on the deepest level. Whew! And Taurus is
so sensual squared to a Saturn that's so impersonal. I can suspect here
a mom who's so busy mothering everyone else that she's got no time for Dave.
Dave appears to be a person who yearns for removal of the
boundaries of time and space - back to the womb kind of thing - the kind of
spiritual death that can come with sexual encounters or deep, psychological
probing. Those social planets will pull him out every time until that moon 
cannot be denied. I can understand now why Dave won't leave this group. :-)

And Dave has such lovely trines with his moon, except that trines make you
lazy. You don't have to work for the goodies. :-) Something else about that 5th-11th.
Virgo has very much to do with service, but Virgo is NOT selfless, like
Pisces is. Virgo at its best is a law unto itself. Virgo decides who is
going to receive its bounty, when it's going to happen, and the bounty
given is not subject to barter. Virgo is a goddess all on her own without
benefit of a consort king, because she doesn't need one. (I have Venus in
Virgo - so I'm prejudiced. :-) ) Virgo gives as easily as it takes away.
With a good Virgo you have an inner strength, an inner core that NO ONE
can touch or sully, and it thrives on the knowledge of its own Individual
being. Virgo also understands so instinctually the cycles of the earth,
planting and harvesting, spring and winter. It's a sign truly grounded
in living on this earth. Virgo is also the ruler of craftsmen, although
not necessarily in an artistic sense. If you don't already, you should
really try working with your hands, Dave.  Making, creating, just for
yourself. 

That 7th house Jup tickles me - Dave deserves it. And I think it reflects
again his anima problem. That 7th house persona is going to reflect back
upon him every time. This is a man who needs a strong, independent, sensual,
expansive person. Who has a nice dose of appreciation for the arts. 

What with transiting Pluto knocking your moon around, and transiting Saturn
knocking your moon around, and your Saturn return (Eric, it's already hit
him once), you could make magnificent strides with that anima-mother part
of yourself. You know, Dave, it belongs to you. If you can learn to handle
your moon, that part of yourself that is the habitual response, that won't
budge from its safe haven, if you can learn to love the good mother as
well as the bad mother, you can have it all. And work on expressing your
inner self, for a change, instead of working on everyone else. You can
do so many worthwhile things for others (and I suspect you want to), but 
it's not going to offer much satisfaction until you give some work to yourself.
The day you learn to stop criticizing yourself is the day you stop picking
on everyone else. And learn to play - it's good for the soul. 

This is a great chart - can't help saying it. I LOVE the
possibilities of this person. I really hope Dave does justice to it. It's
a psyche not to be wasted. 

Sorry I got so carried away. I wasn't planning on doing a rewrite of Eric's
reading, but some of the stuff in Dave's chart just grabbed my imagination. :-)

Stacey
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