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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:12:44 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

> I was impressed with something Scott Tubbs (bass, the violet burning) told my
> friend at Cornerstone'92: 
> He said he couldn't wait to get back home after their tour so that he could go
> to clubs and hang out with non-Christians.

I hope he meant that he wanted to get away from the "Holy Huddle" and
get into surroundings where he was with a group of people he could
minister to.  For some folks, who might have come out of a bar
environment, there would be too much temptation.  I trust Scott
isn't one of those.
                         - tom
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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Choir
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:11:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE) writes:

>I have just discovered the Choir, thanks to my good buddy Pete.

>Anyone have any comments about them?

>Buzzard

You'll get a lot of variety on this. They've been called the best rock and
roll band in Christian music, while others have claimed they are mostly
hype. I've heard it lamented that they are too mainstream alternative (but
isn't that an oxymoron?). The point is, there's a lot of disagreement;
however...

If you ask me, when Steve and Derri have got their act together (i.e.,
Shades of Grey, Chase The Kangaroo, and Circle Slide), they're the best
thing this little business called CCM has produced. 

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: mpm@mips.com (Mike Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Albums for Sale (cheap!)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, California
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I have the following set of Christian albums and cassettes for sale.
Altogether there are 22 albums and 8 cassettes, and I would
prefer to sell them all at once.  I'm not as interested in making
money off this as I am in making space in my collection and letting
someone else enjoy this stuff.  So, for $15 (30 albums/cassettes for 
the price of one CD!  what a deal!) I will mail all of these to the
first person who contacts me at:
	mpm@mti.sgi.com
or 	(415)390-4290 (work)

Thanks,
Mike Murphy

Albums:
-------
artist		title				info
------		-----				----
Terry Talbot	Time to Laugh, Time to Sing	live folk-pop, with comedy
Bryn Haworth  	Pass It On			pop/folk
BW Stevenson  	Lifeline			pop/country
Steve Camp	Start Believing			pop
Randy Stonehill	The Sky Is Falling		pop
Marty McCall	Up				pop (w/ Fireworks Band)
Paul Field	Building Bridges		pop
Scott Roley	Within My Reach			pop
One Truth  	Gospel Truth			pop
Dan Peek	All Things Are Possible		pop (ex-America member)
Kathy Troccoli	Images				pop/dance
Donna Summer	Cats Without Claws		pop/dance
Prodigal  	Just Like Real Life		rock
Vector		Please Stand By			new wave
Quickflight 	Breakaway			new wave
U2  		Unforgetable Fire		new wave
3D  		No Glasses Needed		new wave
Stryper  	Yellow and Black Attack		heavy metal
Jerusalem  	Vol. 2				heavy metal
Rapsures  	self-titled			rap
Evie		Mirror				adult praise-style
Doug Lawrence	self-titled			mostly hymns

Cassettes:
----------
Amy Grant	Lead Me On			pop
Amy Grant	Christmas Album			her first Christmas album
Andy Williams	Christmas			
Cathedral Choir	Christmas			Choir singing
George Beverly Shea	The Holy Land		hymns about Israel
Marvin Kumley	Fixing Our Eyes On Jesus	independent folk/pop
various		Horizons			new artists
various		Premiere Audio Magazine		various Sparrow artists
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: feb _CCM_
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:21:34 GMT

In article <1k25c2INN7ea@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

>2) The new Daniel Amos (not DA) album "Motor Cycle" got a good review.
>Jerry Chamberlain is back and so are the Beatle influences.  CCM called
>it their most Beatle-influenced album since "Horrendous Disc."  Keep
>watching those bookstores--if it's been reviewed it will be out any day
>now!

	Who wrote the review?


Rob
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From: smith@merle.acns.nwu.edu (James Smith)
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:50:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.155512.24326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kvick@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kim Vick) writes:
>>This is very sad indeed.  How do you expect that non-married people
>>become married people if they don't do things such as get together and dance?
>>And what about that temptation?  Do you think it's the work of the Devil
>>or something?  No Way! I believe the initial attraction and experience
>>of "falling in love" is usually sexualy motivated, and there is absolutely
>>nothing "bad" about this.  It is the motivation, it's up to the individual
>
>I have to disagree with you on this point.  When I met the man who would
>someday become my husband (we met at a singles fellowship at church), I was
>not sexually attracted to him.
	i would be curious to hear his side: if he was attracted to you.

>I just thought that he looked like an interesting person, and I wanted to
>get to know him.       ^^^^^^
your choice of the word 'looked' confused me.  can you look at a person
and find them interesting and not attractive?  what is there to look at
that would make one seem interesting and yet not attractive?  (i think i
have just misunderstood.)

>Love does not always begin with physical attraction.
true, but i do not think that it is bad if it starts that way.
>In my opinion, the BEST way for love to begin is as friendship.
actually, i would agree with that.  in my dating experiences, i have
found that the physical 'stuff' seems to get in the way of building a 
relationship.  i think when dating, (or maybe courting would be the more
appropriate term here) two people should get to know one another and 
learn how to love each other in a non-physical way.  something tells me
that when you get married, all the physical stuff kind of falls into
place.  it's natural.  loving someone unselfishly and sacrificially
does not come naturally to us.

back to music: these type of talks always bring to mind charlie and his
LOVE LIFE album.  i like charlie.  he's right on.  
i am grateful that he had the courage to produce something like Kiss Me
Like a Woman.  I think God is pleased when we celebrate what he created
for us -- sex inside of marriage.

>- Kim
-jim
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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:29:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan21.184819.18890@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>I've only listened to it two or three times, and I really need to give
>it more of a chance, but my initial impression was one of disappointment.
>The problems that I saw:  a lack of interesting melodies, a fairly
>nondescript and uninvolving vocal style, and too many darn keyboards/
>synths.  
 
Let me suggest that you give it a few more listens.  I _really_ hated it
when i first heard it, but on MANY subsequent listenings, it grew on
me as my favorite of his albums.  It is very dark musically, which
makes the use of lyrics like 'Jung and the Restless' and 'Since I Gave
Up Hope I Feel a Lot Better' even more poignant by juxtaposition.  
Listen to the album with undivided attention a couple of times.  There's 
a lot more in the music than you notice on a casual listen.  And i still
occasionally find a new twist in the lyrics, even after 3-4 years of
steady listening!
 
>So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
>"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
>that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
>this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.
 
His older stuff is even more synth based.  I tend to get off on 80's 
synth stuff (i HATED Chagall Guevara), but the guitars just aren't there
in any large measure.  The satire and humor is VERY present, however.  

I think my favorite song on 1990 is 'Innocence Lost,' btw.  Very well
written, very 'visual,' and really pretty dark.  I love it!

JRjr
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 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
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From: chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin)
Subject: Re: Help me with my concentration!
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:12:34 GMT

The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist (hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu) wrote:


: I am looking for [ ... ] First Call that 
: has "O Sifuni Mungu".

That would be _Something Takes Over_.

-- 
Roger Chaplin / chaplin@keinstr.uucp / CI$: 76307,3506
"For the lines are long and the fighting is strong and they're breakin'
down the distance between right and wrong."
                        - Bob Dylan, "Ring Them Bells"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson)
Subject: Re: Dream Theatre
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:02:12 GMT

In article <93020.200606EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.220144.23457@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson) says:
>>
>>stage shows.  I think God deserves the best.  I listen to alot of
>>Christian music because it is lyrically appealing to my spirit, but musically
>>most of it is pretty average.  Just one guys opinion.
>>
>
>     I agree, most of the Christian rock I listen to is very boring musically
>except for King's X and The Galactic Cowboys. I think there are some quality
>lyrics in Christian rock today, but it seems musically that most bands aren't
>really experimenting in any "progressive/art" rock. I'm talking about music
>similiar to such groups as Rush, Yes, Marillion, King's X, Genesis and Dream
>Theater. If anyone has any suggestions as to any Christian bands similiar to
>this style of music please let me know....until then, all I can do is keep
>the faith. :)
>
>
>                                     -Ed
>
>   ====================================================================
>               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
>   "Oh, His children smile because they know He loves them." -King's X
>   ====================================================================

Thanks Edwin.  You hit the nail on the head.  I really enjoy the
progressive rock style.  I would love to hear about some bands
the play that style with Christian lyrics.  It would be awesome.
If I was a bit more talented, I'd do it myself.

BTW - What is King's X and the Galactic Cowboys like.  I've never
heard of them.

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: New Releases:  Hey Toth!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:33:35 GMT

In article <MDTANX.93Jan27161906@poptart.cs.umd.edu> mdtanx@poptart.cs.umd.edu (Michael D. Tan) writes:
>
>New CD's of interest:

(lots of interesting new and long-out-of-print albums deleted except for:)

>T-Bone _Redeemed_

What's this?  I assume we're talking about T-Bone Burnett here, right?
It's definitely not a title that I would expect from the inscrutable
one, but hey, if Dylan can release "Saved" then I suppose T-Bone
can release "Redeemed".  I'm just a little surprised by the title.
Does T-Bone know about this?  Did he give his consent?  

Anybody know what the contents might be?  Since "The Criminal Under
My Own Hat" came out less than a year ago, and since T-Bone tends
to release albums about twice a decade, I find it hard to believe
that it's new material.  But I'm certainly curious to find out.

>Toth Band _2 Live, two Hive_

What, first a title reference in a Breakfast with Amy song and now
a recording artiste in his own right?  Sounds 2 Good 2 B true.  Mike?

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com

"Got mashed potatoes, ain't got no T-Bone."
  -- Neil Young, "T-Bone"
From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:

>Does anyone know if any videos were made for any CG songs?  I have
>seen the videos for 1990, and some are pretty good.  Jim Morison's
>grave is absolutely increadible!

I've heard of and read about, but not seen, a video for "Violent Blue." It
was supposedly shot in a cave.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:48:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan21.184819.18890@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> I've only listened to it two or three times, and I really need to give
> it more of a chance, but my initial impression was one of disappointment.
> The problems that I saw:  a lack of interesting melodies, a fairly
> nondescript and uninvolving vocal style, and too many darn keyboards/
> synths.  
> 
> So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
> "I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
> that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
> this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.

Please save your money, Andy. On all of his albums, Taylor is obsessed
with finding the elusive hook. (Notice, for example, how quickly the 
choruses of "Since I Gave Up Hope," "Jung And the Restless," "Svengali,"
"Blew Up the Clinic" begin to grate on the listener's nerves.) He rarely
finds the hook, much less the honest songcraft of a well-constructed melody.
His records are further hampered by the laziest bunch of CCM rejects ever
assembled in a studio--and that's saying something.

usic hasc hasother problems, as well. He emerged in 1983 with a cleverly-
titled EP, "I Want to Be a Clone," a chillingly smug, at times whiny, 
diatribe against the same social forces in America that have inadvertently
lined the pockets (go figure) of some of our Religious Right brethren. Still,
as he shows with his debut LP, eltdown," he can't quite reconcile the 
party line with those pesky passages in the Gospels about compassion,
charity, and peace-making. Whether he's a satirist of Christian 
fundamentalism ("Guilty By Association," "Colour Code"), or a committed
advocate ("Meat the Press," "Baby Doe") is hopelessly unclear.

"On the Fritz," a much better album, still suffers from the stiff,
somnambulant performances and arrangements that characterize "1990."
Funny, thougheven behind a near-great band, in Chagall Guevara, Taylor
fails to convince me that he's ready for prime-time, "Violent Blue"    
excepted.

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dietiphobia/Depeche Mode
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:00 CST
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cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!) writes...
>Probably the biggest reason that they sound alike is because Wally sampled
>the percussion sounds from "People are People" and used them in that song.
>I think he thought it was funny.  I find it irritating.  Don't mean to pick
>on you.

I'd also like to point out that "MC White-E" on the SLAVA compilation has
an affinity for Kraftwerk in his song's beat. Not that I'm complaining.
Guess that makes him two for two.


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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:38:43 GMT
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Organization: University of Washington
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ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>But that's not the same as obeying God's clear instructions in 
>Scripture.  Two of the Ten Commandments prohibit adultery and 
>coveting the wife of one's neighbor.  Jesus taught that even to
>*look* at a woman with lust in one's heart was the equivalent of
>adultery.  I don't see much room for debate there.  I may be a 
>bane to legalists and a communistic, hell-raisin', secular-rocknroll-
>lovin' guy, but any church that ignores those Scriptural commands
>is no church that I'd want to be a part of.

>Andy Whitman

I heard an interesting intepretation of Christ's words ("...everyone who
looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery..." Matt 5:28
(NAS)) here. The assertion was that the focus should not be on the action
of looking, but rather on the intention of "to lust." The sin was to
intentionally seek out women to lust after, and while this is probably
moving beyond the realm of r.m.c. (and I'm not saying this view is
particularly right) it does point to some of the difficulties associated
with understanding scripture, and concomitantly, legalism and tolerance.

All in all, it makes living in the modern world a somewhat Herculean task.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
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From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Michele Pillar on Thurs' Simpsons
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:41:01 GMT

Okay, I found this to be almost as weird as the Amy Grant fashionwear
window display I saw in a mall a couple years ago and MAYBE even a tad
weirder than a horror novel with vampires taking over a radio station
and playing Tonio K. records.  But for those wondering what Michele
Pillar has been up to lately, well... 

Thursday's Simpsons ended with Selma (or was it Patty) petting Jub-Jub,
the iguana left by their recently deceased aunt, caring for it like the
child she never saw herself having.  She began singing "(You Make Me
Feel Like a) Natural Woman." As the credits rolled, the vocals dissolved
into a more faithful rendition of the song, and the credits read: "Vocal
performance by Michele Pillar."  Sure enough, it sounded like the
Michele I remember.  

(Who originally recorded that song anyway?) 

Too bad she didn't get a Simpsons-looking characature appearance on the
show like Spinal Tap, Leonard Nemoy, and Tom Jones have this season...

For the r.m.c weird patrol,
Michael David Toth.


Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:44:33 -0500 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Susan Ashton

Two I can think of right off the top:

Duet with Wayne Watson  "Watercolour Ponies"  (She was Susan Rae Hill 
                                                    at the time).

BGV's on Rich Mullins "World as best as I can remember it vol 1."


Steve Timm

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Re: Trying to find recording of song
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:40:58 GMT

In article <106252@netnews.upenn.edu> Lauren L. Crawford writes:
>
>	[someone wondered where these lyrics could be found]
>
>>>By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
>>>We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
>>>We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.
>
> Somebody later did a great dance version of it, too ... the same folks who
>brought us "Bahama Mama" and "Rasputin"...
>...A gold star to whomever remembers the name of that group.

Not that it really matters, but the group's name was Boney M...I only know
this because my roommate this past summer was from Thailand and Boney M was
really big there for some reason...Their producer is the same guy who
produced Milli Vanilli.

ecw
fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson)
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:15:19 GMT

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

[intro's deleted]

>>> 1969 was the year Anton LeVay died.  Hence, "We haven't had that spirit
>>> here since 1969..."
>>

	I could easily be mistaken, I am no expert on this, but isn't
1969 the year that the Church of satan began in San Francisco?

	And while we're on the subject of back masking songs. Petra,
Judas Kiss, has a masking, (intentional recorded there) "What are you
looking for the devil when you ought to be looking for the Lord?" Right
before the song starts.
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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard Benefit concert in the San Francisco Bay Area?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:44:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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delpinal@netcom.com (Erwin Del Pinal) writes:

> a few months ago someone Said that there was going to be a 
> benefit concert in the Bay Area (San Francisco) with Sam
> Phillips, T-bone, Cockburn, etc. .

> Is this concert still happening? If so, when and where?

> I have been unable to get any info about it.

> thanks  

> erwin

As the one who posted the original inquiry to this (I think I was the
first) all I can say is that I have heard nothing more about it since it
got an itty-bitty mention in CCM. My guess is that it was either aborted,
or has already occurred, since it was supposed to happen early in the
year. Perhaps the Nashville gig was held instead.

Anyway, if anyone knows anything concrete, I'd still like to know.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu