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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:53:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      DAMAGE: Beyond Repair

     Being stupid, selfish, horny and rich is deadly. That's
what Jeremy Irons' character learns in Damage, a pathetic film
about sensationally stupid people. Irons plays a British politician
who falls in lust with his son's fiancee(Unbearable Lightness' Juliette
Binoche). Miranda Richardson is his wounded wife and Rupert Graves plays
the somewhat ineffectual son. Leslie Caron even shows up as Binoche's
mother. Louise Malle directs the Pinteresque script(I kept being
reminded what a much better film the Harold Pinter-scripted Betrayal,
also starring Irons, was.) by David Hare. How then can a film with such
impressive credentials fail so miserably? Much of the blame has to go to
the Hare-brained script which is based on trash novelist Josephine
Hart's bestseller, which I gratefully never read. The movie alternates
between Irons and Binoche staring longingly at each other, Irons and
Binoche coupling acrobatically which must have necessitated several
trips to the chiropractor, and Irons and Binoche in awkward family
gatherings where rich people sit around in elegant surroundings looking
unhappy. Irons, who is looking more and more like Boris Karloff,
performs mostly lying down while Binoche tries to squeeze every last
drop of meaning from the silences and stares the script puts her
through. Better for us that she's quiet than when she delivers such
bullshit lines as, "Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can
survive". The only bright spot comes from Miranda Richardson who
supplies the only moments of honesty in the film. Louise Malle has
directed great films(Atlantic City, Au Revoir Les Enfants) and bad films
(Crackers, Very Private Affair). Damage belongs to the latter. Damage
tries to be Last Tango in Paris. It looks more like a Calvin Klein ad.
                                                            Rolando
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:41:45 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MOVIE PEOPLE ALL AROUND US

Lyle,

My immediate area of the Shenandoah Valley is Harrisonburg--other side of the "h
   ills" from Charlottesville.  Come to think on it, I haven't often mentioned m
   y
affiliation, but I'm at James Madison Univ. here, in charge of Media Resources.

My understanding of where "Sommersby" was filming was around Warm Springs (unles
   s I mean "Hot"--but I'd have to check), where that grand old hotel, the Homes
   tead, looms out of nowhere.  Someone else just mentioned to me, though, that
   they
thought there was filming at Lexington, near Va. Military Institute--either
instead or in addition to.  --Still and all, "around there," further south and
a bit west of I-81.

Jeff
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:39:00 PST
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Subject:      MST3K

Does anyone know what's on MST3K this weekend???

Jim Thompson
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Subject:      Damage

So what's the consensus on Damage?  I'm still waiting for it to
make it to Lexington...

Susan
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Subject: RE: More top videos

On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 11:23:00 EST you said:
>
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>Subject: RE: More top videos
>
>Speaking of Bill Murray, has anyone else seen "What About Bob?" - I watched it
>at New Years and thought that was one of the funniest movies I've seen in
>months.  Definitely worth renting.


    Get outta here, that movie was pathetic. That actor who ever he
    is was no good as usual ( ie I dont like his characters ), and
    Bill Murray who has some good performances ( ie Ghostbusters )
    didnt have one in this film, he was ok but dont trip running
    out to the video store to get this one.

    And if you want to see really rotten videos get out Jacobs
    ladder and Nothing but trouble. Two of the very worst films
    I have seen last year.

                    Dominic.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 16:40:02 GMT
From: DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject: RE: More top videos
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From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: *Fire Walk With Me*
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:40:27 GMT

I watched this in video format over the last two nights, and found
it absolutely brilliant, Lynch's best work since *The Elephant Man*!

I've probably already said enough to get y'all going sending those
flaming cards and letters, but I am profoundly, and I do mean
profoundly curious about the poor critical and public reception of
this great film!  I suppose I'll have to go back and read a lot of
reviews (ick!), but I'm really hoping some folks on this list will
instruct me as to the nature of my perceptual and overall psychic
error.  For instance, I'm sort of hoping (expecting!) that Rolando
hated this film, and will treat us to a mordant denigration of same.
And Rolando, after that rather vulgar conflation of *Last of the 
Mohicans* (which for all its faults is not cartoonish) with *Rambo*,
you *need* to mount an articulate attack (or dare I even think it?!?
. . . *positive* appraisal) in order to recuperate your reputation 
with me (as if you're going to lose sleep over this issue!).

I shall await your denigrations and deconstructions of *Fire*, and then
shall respond with a post so brilliantly argued that your opposition
shall wither like the fitful flames of good intentions before Bob's
grimace of ghastly grinning grunge.

With the utmost sincerity,
michael mcdonald
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Date: 26 Jan 93 17:33:10 GMT
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Could someone recap the winners of the Golden Globes, please?  I missed it
last Saturday night.  Thanks.

Euge
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:23:22 -0400
From:         Norm Parry <NPARRY@COLGATEU.BITNET>
Subject:      Theatre Posters

List members,

I am not a member of this list, but I would appreciate your assistance.

I am interested in obtaining posters of Sigourney Weaver as she appeared in
Alien, Aliens and Alien3.  What I'd like to find would be the posters they hang
in the lobby advertising the movie.  The one of Weaver in Aliens3 is especially
good, I think, but I would like to get all three.

I would also be interested in one of those lifesize standup cutouts made of
cardboard, same topic.

Where do I find these things?

Thanking you all in advance.

Please reply to me, not to the list.

npArry@colgateu.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:31:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 10 ways

Michael,
      Perhaps, I can modify my statements regarding Stone and Lee.
How about, no more Vietnam or 60's movies from Stone, and telling
Spike Lee to stop appearing in his films; and admitting to himself
that he's the most racist of all.
        Jeff,
           Great suggestion! If I'm not mistaken, the new Richard Gere/
   Jodie Foster movie, Sommersby, is also a remake of The Return of
   Martin Guerre. I just saw the trailer for Point of No Return, the
   remake of La Femme Nikita, and scene by scene was exactly the same
   as the original. Yuk!!!
                                                Rolando
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:51:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      MST3K

Joe the expert will no doubt elaborate, but MST3K is Mystery Science
Theater 3000, a TV show on the Comedy Channel, midnight Friday and
7 pm Saturday (at least here in California).  It shows the very
worst films ever made, usually science fiction, with several comics
ridiculing them as they go along, and a lot of related hokum.  It's
very addictive.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:58:22 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: North by Northwest

Euge,

Read your exam paper/essay over lunch, and I'm impressed.  On initial
impression it's well thought out and developed and proceeds with an interest-
ing premise followed through the Grant films. One further thought that's
occurred to me and which I haven't thought through the implications of, is
that--among all these persona permutations--we need to remember too that
Grant's NBN character is an advertising executive, too.  Even if that has
no great thematic significance, it's a nice ironic touch: as in advertising,
what's being sold in the course of the film (the plot, the star and his
performance) isn't necessarily the true goods.

I might quibble with the Cavell observation/generalization that your paper
springs from, if we were to examine other of Grant's films and roles, the
kind that aren't as typical. (I can hardly think of any at the moment; for
some dumb reason, the only one that comes to mind is "Pride and the Passion."
But maybe that's because it's Sophia Loren I was enraptured by in that one,
way back when.)  But Grant seems to me at least a manifestation of the great
"star" as opposed to great "actor" syndrome.  I.e., the star, while remain-
ing a relatively stable persona, can reflect different bits of a character
being played through his/her own qualities, magnifying and expressing them
in a charismatic way.  The actor, on the other hand, has no stable image--
in film career, or also in public appearances/awareness outside of their
films, and can submerge and reshape his/her talents and qualities to the
persona-image of the character in question.  A film like Ironweed, someone
noted (I haven't seen it), is distinctive at least for having the two
kinds of personalities in the leads opposite one another: Nicholson (star)
and Streep (actor).  --I know that's an oversimplication, and expect to
hear from Jack's fans!  But hey, a nice paper, and thanks for sharing it.

Jeff Clark
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From:         "Julian Sominka (CSM)" <jsominka@CSM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: INDIANA JONES's subtle Star Wars

>
>Filmfanatics-
>    In Raiders of the Lost Ark there is a scene in the Map room in which you
>can see R2D2 and C3PO carved into the wall, then in Temple of Doom the club
>that the film opens in is called CLUB OBE WAN. I've watched Last Crusade over
>and over looking for some Star Wars subtlety that I'm sure is there, but I've
>noticed nothing. Has anyone out there caught something I missed?
>                                       Fortune and Glory,
>                                        Brodie

THX 1138 was (I think) George Lucas' first full length film.

In 'American Graffitti' the car's number plates are THX 1138. Also
in 'Star Wars' Princess Leia's prison cell No. is  THX 1138.

--
Julian

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:37:00 EDT
From:         FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: FIRE WALK WITH ME

I saw FWWM in a theater, and Believe me if you watched the series, or
at least most of it, the film is not only very good, but VERY Disturbing!
I still shudder at the thought of Donna.... Well see the film!
  Oh, and Lynch makes interesting new use of Sound in this film, I
don't remember him doing this in previous films, in the theater at times
the sound was almost unbearably loud and distorted (for minutes at a time,
requiring subtitles!) with music, but this I thought was geneous, and
worked in an unexpectedly desturbing way.

Sean "Doc Syracuse" Farquharson
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:20:27 GMT
From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: Dominick's great actors/esses

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:52:00 CST Rolando Recometa said:
>
>John Candy - Did you actually run out to see Nothing But Trouble?
>And the guy from When Harry Met Sally is Billy Crystal, whose best work
>is playing host at the Oscars.
>                                                          Rolando

   Unfourtanely YES. But all ye out there take it from me....
   Nothing but trouble should have been called nothing but shit!
   avoid this "film" at all costs.

                       Dominic.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:34:37 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A List for List Lovers

As in the case of awards, I don't much like even pseudo-definitive lists in
any serious way.  But one that purports to contain 30 best American films
with >none< by Scorsese?!?  It's get-your-head-examined time, folks.  JC
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:33:18 -0600
From:         Carl H Johnson <carlj@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      RE: unforgiven

I agree with Dominic and Maria
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:09:16 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Golden Globes

>>Thanks.  Wow.  So, it looks like "Scent of a Woman" will win the best picture
 >>award at the Oscars.  They say that whichever film that wins the best picture
>>at the Golden Globes, will do the same at the Oscars.


The statistics I saw showed that only about half the time are the Golden
Globes winner the Oscar winner.  This is *unlike* the DGA awards where
the *same* people vote for both that and the Oscar -- odds down favs
have to go to Clint.  As for best picture, I wouldn't be surprised if
_Scent_ didn't even get a nom on that one.  Personally, I thought
Pacino subsituted yelling for acting, and that the best part of the
movie was the Ferrari.

-
-scott
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:01:06 -0600
From:         Carl H Johnson <carlj@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      A List for List Lovers

The LA Weekly recently posted the following films as the 30 best AMERICAN
films, ever.(no particular order)

1. The Godfather, Part II (1974)
2. City Lights (1931)
3. Rio Bravo (1959)
4. Vertigo (1958)
5. His Girl Friday (1940)
6. Citizen Kane (1941)
7, Out of the Past (1947)
8. The Shop Around the Corner (1940)
9. Modern Times (1936)
10. Intolerance (1916)
11. Blade Runner (1982)
12. Sunset Boulevard (1950)
13. The General (1926)
14. The Searchers (1956)
15. The Wild Bunch (1969)
16. Casablanca (1942)
17. Sunrise (1927)
18. Touch of Evil (1958)
19. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
20. Duck Soup (1933)
21. The Lady Eve (1941)
22. Night of the Hunter (1955)
23. A Woman Under the Influence (1974)
24. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
25. King Kong (1933)
26. Swing Time (1936)
27. Unforgiven (1992)
28. Kiss Me Deadly (1955)
29. Pinocchio (1940)
30. Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

Any comments from you list lovers or critics about what's here or what's not?

Carl
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:41:50 EST
From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting
              "C572968%MIZZOU1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Jan 25, 93 11:09 pm

>
> Didn't Ashman and Menkin write the music for the "Rocky Horror Picture Show"?
> Maybe not.
>
>                                    Joey "Dizzy" Gillespie
>
Dizzy,
    No, Richard "Riff-Raff" O'Brian did.
                           Brodie
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From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee, Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Western prejudice?

Thanks, Scott.  Dances with Wolves does strike a bell.  Maybe I had forgotten
about it because I didn't quite see as a western... the kind in which there
are cowboys and indians and showdowns.

Euge
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From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Old movie recasting

Good morning, folks!
        I saw an old Cary Grant movie entitled THE TALK OF THE TOWN this
weekend.  It was about an escaped accused arsonist who finds refuge in the
home of an old female friend.  Of course, the home just happens to now be
the summer rental of a stuffy nominee to the Supreme Court.  Anyway, the
movie was funnier than than any recent comedies I remember and, of course,
Grant is always a joy to watch.  So what if he plays himself in role after
role?
        While I was watching this one, it occured to me that it would make
great remake material.  I suggest Andy Garcia in the Grant role, Malanie
Griffith in the female lead, & Peter O'Toole as the nominee.  While we're
at it, can anyone else think of some casting lists for remakes of them good
ol' black & whites?
                                                        Alex
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From:         Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Dominic's Top 5

> ...You can remake things as much as you want,but th                   at
> does'nt mean its better. How many times did Van Gogh (sp?) paint Stary
> Stary Night?

Actually, a little-known fact is that Van Gogh painted Stary Stary
Night several times.  His first attempt was a nighttime scene with
a Halloween motif, titled Scary Scary Night.  He was dissatisfied
and decided to revise it.  His next draft, painted shortly after he
had cut off his ear, was called Scarry Scarry Night.  That still
didn't cut it (pardon the expression), so he painted a third
version, heavy on the celestial phenomena, and called it the
Starry Night.  But something about that version didn't satisfy
him, either.  Finally, he shut himself in his studio and sat
in front of the canvas, staring at it for hours at a time.  After
about a week of this, he decided, "Since I've been staring at this
so long, I'll call it 'Stary Stary Night,' and to hell with it!"

Disclaimer:  I dozed through much of Art Appreciation 101, so some
of these facts may not be entirely accurate.

p.w.
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Fern,

I sympathize with your plight on the Dean laserdisc collection.  I got a
mailing from Ken Crane's about it going out of print at least half a year back,
and ordered a copy from them.  If you're not familiar with Crane's you might
try them.  I haven't got their 800 number available--but perhaps Jim Thompson's
reading this and will respond?  Or check the ads in the back of a video publica-
   tion like Video magazine.  (Otherwise, I'll try to remember to get their
number tomorrow and post again.)

You might also consider that I think Warner is slowly releasing the letterbox
editions of Dean's three films, one by one.  But perhaps it's the whole
package, with the documentary, that's more important to you.

And while we're on the subject of hard-to-find, possibly "o.p" discs, I've
got a query myself: Does anyone know where to get a discs of Powell & Press-
burger's "The Red Shoes"?  It's supposed to still be in print, but I'm having
the darnedest time locating one through usually dependable distributors.
(Lately I've been discovering and trying to order discs that seem to be simul-
taneously going o.p., sort of like Indie crossing bridges collapsing beneath
him. I've lucked out a few times, but Red Shoes has eluded me so far...)
Jeff Clark
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