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From: zale@isgtec.UUCP (Zale Tabakman)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:42:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ont.


In article <BRECHER.92Apr4172649@husc8.harvard.edu>, brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) writes:
> In article <2281@isgtec.isgtec.com> zale@isgtec.UUCP (Zale Tabakman) writes:
> 
> >I just got the ATM package and I am looking for some hebrew fonts.
> >
> Oh, boy, another chance to promote myself!
> 

[etc]

I would like 

a)	to thank everybody who told me about those fonts.
b)	I tried to tell you Laurie @ Hebrew U but I get mail to you
c)	I sent mail to everybody else who requested the info 
	(I hope you got it)
d)	I downloaded the shalomold and tried it! They look great
	KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
e)	For those of you who understand and care, everybody with a computer
	at Daf Yomi wants a copy.


THANX AGAIN FOR ALL THE INFO!!!!


Zale
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or ISG Technologies, 3030 Orlando Drive, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, L4V 1S8 
or Tel: (416) 672-2100 Fx: (416) 672-2307
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry)
Subject: Re: Beo-fonts and good books on type design
Organization: A room filled with typography (in Boston's Back Bay)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.165324.10546@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> bjag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>In article <4550@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lawsonj@cs.man.ac.uk (Julian Lawson) writes:
>>Two questions:
>>
>>Firstly, I remember seeing an article in (I think) MacPublishing several years
>>ago about some company who'd developed some fonts which used random number 
>>generation to modify the font so it looked slightly different each time you
>>output a character. I think they were called "Beo-Fonts". Did they ever catch on?
>
>I remember a font called Beowolf, which I've seen in magazines (maybe even
>a recent MacWorld or User) but I can't remember who publishes it. The font
>looks kind of like a fuzzy degradation of a regular text font. The degree
>and type of degradation seems to vary from font to font. 

Beowolf and BeoSans are sold by FontShop.  (Sorry, don't have a phone
number handy.)  Note that Beowolf is defined without any curves--letters
are polygonal (and, IMHO, not a terribly interesting typeface--it's
quite blocky.)  If you want to see a typeface that uses angles to
rasterize in really interesting, subtle ways, look at Emigre's Journal
(in regular, italic, and Ultra styles).  It has subtly tapered strokes
and cupped serifs, but it's also done without curves--at 2540dpi, it
looks very slightly rough, supposedly akin to letterpress work.  At
300dpi, you get a similar effect, though the jaggies make it impossible
to tell there's anything unusual in the way the 'curves' are digitized.

								-- K.

-- 
..................    ...................................................
James "Kibo" Parry    271 Dartmouth St #3D, Boston MA 02116 (617)262-3922
kibo@world.std.com    Independent graphic designer and typeface designer.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ONEIL@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Sharon Oneil)
Subject: Re: FTP sites with TrueType fonts?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:26:55 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr13.045301.12217@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

> Now, we all know. :-) Now. Any word on where TT fonts might be that
> AREN'T in compactor or stuffit format? And second question, does anybody
> really read this group anymore, or just post dumb questions on where to
> find things? :-)

Hey, if you're using a PC and want to convert the Mac Truetype fonts to
Windows Truetype fonts, it doesn't matter if they're in stuffit.  Just
get unstuffit for the PC off of wuarchive.
From: dbarker@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: REQUEST: ATM Broadway font
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:11:59 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

I'm looking for a free/shareware Adobe Type manager version of the Broadway
font. It's a rather 1930s style typeface; I've also seen a font called (I think)
Miami which was similar. Either would do.

Thanks.
 
Deryk Barker
Computer Science Dept.
Camosun College,
Victoria, BC
Canada
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: majnun@parrot.in-berlin.de (Albrecht Hofheinz)
Subject: Re: FTP sites with TrueType fonts?
Organization: Parrot Public BBS
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:13:42 GMT

greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:

>lots. But my problem is I want to use some of these TT fonts on my IIGS,
>and they are in compactor pro or deluxe stuffit. I can unpack many
>compression schemes, but none of these! Is there a) any other archives
>that have the latest and greatest in standard formats, or b) a compactor
>or stuffit unpacker available? (Last I heard compactor code wasn't being
>released, so it seems to be a pretty stupid format to use anyway...)
> 

StuffIt Expander, a PD  expander recently released by Aladdin, will
expand both StuffIt Deluxe and Compact Pro files. It is available from
the usual archive sites.
Cheers
Albrecht Hofneinz
majnun@parrot.in-berlin.de
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: pooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Poucher)
Subject: help with Mac bitmap linking
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:15:04 GMT

I have used Fontographer 3.2 to generate bitmaps for some Type 1 outlines I
had, and it worked fine.  I generated bitmaps for a Roman and an Italic outline
and they are linked to their respective outlines.  The thing I want to do now
is make it so that when I have the Roman text in a word processor, and select
italic style, it chooses the Italic version instead of just slanting the Roman
version like it does now.  My other fonts that came with bitmaps do this
automatically, but I can't get these new bitmaps to do it.  Anyone out there
know how?  Thanks!

Bill
pooch@leland.stanford.edu
From: rlwinter@taco.ucdavis.edu (Richard Lee Winterstein)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: REQUEST: Greek alphabet font
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:12:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12015
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis


  Can anyone recommend a good Greek font (for the Macintosh) which includes 
all the diacriticals (breathing marks, accents, etc.) -- note this rules out
Symbol.  I would prefer TrueType but Type 1 is acceptable.  And as long as
I'm wishing, I would prefer shareware or freeware to keep the cost down.

Thanks,
Rick
From: kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Sys7 bitmaps back to suitcases?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:45:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.174553.10807
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <0WFHBTB5@cc.swarthmore.edu> annie@cs.swarthmore.edu (Annie Fetter) writes:
>I recently downloaded a lot of fonts from umichigan.  I then uncompressed,
>unstuffed, and installed these fonts on a Quadra running System 7.  The bitmaps
>were installed by dragging the suitcases into the system file, not by using
>Suitcase or something else related to System 6.  Now that I have used the speed
>and power of the Quadra to print these all out, I would like to install them
>in suitcases on a Mac II running System 6.0.5.  But the bitmaps are no longer
>recognizable as suitcases!  What do I do?  Is there a way to get the fonts
>back into suitcase form???

Well, you can always duplicate an existing suitcase, empty it, and then use
the empty suitcase, saving a copy for future use. Clumsy, yes, but I have done
it a few times. It's about time somebody made an FKey to make automatic
suitcases in the Finder.

  But really, if you are having a problem recognizing bitmaps with Suitcase,
then the obvious solution is to update your copy of Suitcase. The
version I have (it ends in .12) recognizes just about anything, even non-font
non-sound non-Fkey files. You can get the updater on sumex I think.

                    ________
                   | ______ |
                   ||      ||       Jason Y Kim
                   ||      ||
                   | ------ |  kim3@husc9.harvard.edu
                   |.   --- |
                   |--------|     IN MAC WE TRUST
                    --------
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: bjag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Subject: Re: Beo-fonts and good books on type design
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:53:24 GMT

In article <4550@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lawsonj@cs.man.ac.uk (Julian Lawson) writes:
>Two questions:
>
>Firstly, I remember seeing an article in (I think) MacPublishing several years
>ago about some company who'd developed some fonts which used random number 
>generation to modify the font so it looked slightly different each time you
>output a character. I think they were called "Beo-Fonts". Did they ever catch on?

I remember a font called Beowolf, which I've seen in magazines (maybe even
a recent MacWorld or User) but I can't remember who publishes it. The font
looks kind of like a fuzzy degradation of a regular text font. The degree
and type of degradation seems to vary from font to font. 


>It seems like a good idea, especially for script fonts etc. to get a good
>"handwritten" look. The disadvantage is, of course, unless you know the random
>number seed, you won't be able to get exactly the same output twice if you
>particularly like one instance of the output

In the most recent issue of How magazine (on Typography) they talked about
a font design company that designed a copy of a musician's handwriting for
an album cover. Their approach to the problem (ie. handwriting doesn't look
the same all the time, fonts do) was to make four versions of each
character (probably trying to enclose the variability in the handwriting).
They then wrote a program that randomly picked from the four characters
each time a letter appeared. 

This seems the way you have to go, to encompass handwriting variability.
The method used in the Beowolf font doesn't seem to work (at least in the
picture I saw) because it just randomly varies the shape of the font.
People's handwriting doesn't vary randomly so you can't immitate it using a
random number seed. 

If anyone knows anything about the program mentioned in How, I'd like to
hear about it. 

>Secondly, does anyone know any good books about the art of type design?
>I believe Gill wrote one... did any of the typography "oldies" like Garamond
>write any books?
>
>Thanks,
>Julian
>^
>| conspicuous by lack of signature file


-- 
Bharathi Jagadeesh/bjag@nwu.edu
Who is that who mumbles in the dark/ who is it that draws his veil across the
stars/ Langston Hughes
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Subject: Re: FTP sites with TrueType fonts?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:10:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.232655.14205@news.unomaha.edu> ONEIL@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Sharon Oneil) writes:
>In <1992Apr13.045301.12217@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

>> Now, we all know. :-) Now. Any word on where TT fonts might be that
>> AREN'T in compactor or stuffit format? And second question, does anybody
>> really read this group anymore, or just post dumb questions on where to
>> find things? :-)

>Hey, if you're using a PC and want to convert the Mac Truetype fonts to
>Windows Truetype fonts, it doesn't matter if they're in stuffit.  Just
>get unstuffit for the PC off of wuarchive.

Well, kindof... There are more systems that use TT fonts than Macs & IBMs
though! :-) My GS most certianly does, and that's the problem... There
are two types of Stuffit archives; Those made with 151 and earlier, and
those made with Deluxe2 and later... Unfortunately, not much is in the
earlier form, which I can unpack, and there is no unpacker for the
newer version. There is also no unpacker for .cpt (CompactorPro) files,
which is the other major type... I can undo .zip archives tho! :-) and 
.lha :-) But not .cpt or .sit :-( Argh.



Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rmiller@menudo.uh.edu (Robert W. Mudge Miller)
Subject: REQUEST: Mac conversion of screen fonts to PostScript printer fonts?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:12:06 GMT

I apologize in advance is the following is an FAQ; after reading the articles,
I can't find anything that addresses the problem that I'm having.

Can someone explain, briefly, the process by which Macintosh screen fonts are
converted to PostScript printer fonts? Can someone recommend a document where
this conversion process is formally specified or described?

I know this much already: If the Mac LaserWriter encounteres a reference to
a font that the LaserWriter doesn't have, it looks for a corresponding 
PostScript printer font to download. If none is available, a font conversion
is made on the fly and you get the message "Font xxxx not present in 
LaserWriter. Screen font being converted and downloaded", or words to
that effect.

My problem is the following. I have created a special graphical, mono-space
font. My application forms a large graphic image by positioning characters
of the font adjacent to one another on the page. The image is displayed
correctly on the screen and on any QuickDraw-based printer, like the 
ImageWriter or DeskWriter. But, the image is not printed properly on the
LaserWriter. Unexpected white space appears between the characters.

I assumed--incorrectly--that the conversion process would faithfully
translate my font into a PostScript outline font, jaggies and all. This
would have been fine--I really want it to appear on the paper exactly
as it appears on the screen. I don't want the font characters to print any
differently regardless of the resolution of the output device.

Although the resulting characters *appear* to be roughly the same as the 
original QuickDraw font, that extra white space between the characters
when printed on a LaserWriter is a real problem. Is there a way to control
the font conversion process and eliminate the additional spacing between
the characters? Is it necessary to create a corresponding PostScript font
to faithfully render the "character" graphics on the LaserWriter?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Robert Miller
RMiller@menudo.uh.edu
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.postscript,comp.desktop
Subject: Postscript Fonts/Ventura Publisher
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:45:22 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

I thought I might mention to all that this weekend I downloaded about 175
fonts from one of the pc-archive servers (garbo.uwasa.fi, but there are
others in the US) from the windows fonts directories, and have been
delighted with the results.

I asked for a way to create the appropriate .afm files from these
fonts, almost all of them are available in afms.tar.Z on the same
server, but I ended up writing postscript code for ghostscript to
create the missing afm files. 

To install, I only had to 

 1) generate a .vfm file from each .afm file, adding typeface name, 
    weight, id. The program /afmtovfm.exe/ should come with Ventura
    Professional extension in the additional utilities disk.

 2) unload the existing fonts.wid table, which generated a list of
    existing font widths with the program /widtovfm.exe/. Concatenate
    a list of my new .vfms into a master list and rerun /vfmtowid.exe/
    on this list.

 3) move all the font .pfb files into a global psfonts area (I used
    /c:\psfonts/.

 4) update your Ventura /postscpt.cnf/ file to reflect the addition of
    all these fonts, the id, weights, and compression schemes.

I am using a Laserjet IIP with 2MB of memory, and I have had no problem
so far using any of the fonts. Everything worked smoothly. I initially
had a problem trying to use .pfa fonts (after converting .pfb to .pfa)
because my UNIX-to-DOS disk writer put a ^Z at the end of text files which
was not necessary and which seemed to kill the print jobs. I decided to
use all .pfb files because they are slightly more than half the size of
the equivalent .pfa file, and I don't need to read the file anyway.

All the fonts work with ghostscript quite nicely too.

If anyone wants: source postscript for <font>.pfa to <font>.afm and
a small C program to convert .pfb files to .pfa.






-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
From: root@kesher.UUCP (Aaron_Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Apple TrueTYPE fonts and Windows 3.1
Summary: Font Conversion
Keywords: truetype, windows 3.1
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:28:32 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, Tx

In article <arshad.703142973@bilby>, arshad@bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au (Arshad OMARI) writes:
> I have access to a large number of Apple System 7 TrueTYPE fonts.  Is it possibl
> e to convert the TrueTYPE fonts from the MAC to those used by WIN3.1 ?

It is VERY simple.  Purchase a program called METAMORPHISUS PRO by AltSys.

It converts back and forth (mostly forth to) IBM fonts from Mac, either
TrueType, Type I or Type III.  It works GREAT, but some of the naming
conventions are out of style since Adobe renamed some of their fonts.  I
think you can find it discounted for $59US at some places.  I use it
and recommend it highly!


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| Aaron D. Schmiedel                     |                                    |
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From: bc@apple.com (bill coderre)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Seeking books about typeface design
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:06:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


Pardon me for asking what I can only assume MUST be an FAQ. I have
read all the current articles in this group without finding the
information, though, so I ask now.

I would like to acquire a few choice books specifically about the
process of designing typefaces.

I already have plenty of type sample books, and don't think I want
books on calligraphy. And although I have tried libraries and
bookstores, I haven't seen any books specifically on typeface design.

Please mail me with your recommendations, and I'll gladly post a
summary bibliography in a week or two.

Thank you for your ideas,
bill coderre
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.windows.ms
From: hscohen@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Harvey S. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts wanted
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:33:14 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Summary: call Kabbalah Software

In article <2281@isgtec.isgtec.com> zale@isgtec.UUCP (Zale Tabakman) writes:
>I just got the ATM package and I am looking for some hebrew fonts.
>Does anybody know where some are available? I would like sharewhare ones, but 
>I do NOT want ones which are illegal copies. 
Kabbalah Software (908-572-0891, Compuserve 72657,366, or 
72657.366@compuserve.com) offers several nice fonts for $59 each with
nikud and trop and $35 without. They also offer a Windows add-in called
HebType that lets you type right-to-left in any Windows app ($49).
I haven't tried any of their stuff yet, but I will as soon as I get a
free moment.
There are around three free Hebrew fonts on cica, also.

-- 
	Harvey S. Cohen / att!honet6!hsc || hsc@honet6.ATT.COM
	AT&T Bell Labs / HO 3B532 / 908 949 0173
	Crawfords Corner Rd. / Holmdel, NJ  07733 / U.S.A.
From: k33847k@taltta.hut.fi (Bahaaddin Ahrari)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Versatile Font Generator
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:58:14 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Hello netters,

Is anyone aware of a versatile font generator (commercial or public domain)
for MS-DOS that can save the font in Borland's .CHR format?
From: gt7961a@prism.gatech.EDU (Nguyen Peter)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Create Custom Font with Corel Draw
Keywords: font
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:56:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	Hello Everyone,
	Would you give me an outline or instruction on how to create a *.wfn 
files for Corel Draw Version 2 for windows 3.0.
	I try to create this special character which compose of a^' which
look something like this
				'
				^
				A
	I use the font supply with Correl Draw create the letter, save
it as PCX, use Corel Trace to trace the letter, and then go to the file
meny and select 'import' to WFN, click, click, click later Corel Draw
told me that I can not export character with more than one curve.
	What I did wrong??? Please help.....
	Any response will be fully appriciated.
				Thanks in advance,
.


Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: khanraha@afit.af.mil (Kevin M. Hanrahan)
Subject: Looking for a good font/postscript book
Summary: In search of postscript/font book.
Keywords: font postscript book reference
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:12:36 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

I'm looking for a book that will explain postcript fonts.  I've seen several
books on the postscript language, but that's not really what I need.  I use
a DTP program on my Amiga (PageStream) and use numerous shareware/PD Adode
fonts, but I'm never quite sure what all the font files are for and do I
need them?  The questions I want answered are what are Adobe Font Metrics,
Type 1 vs Type 3 fonts, etc.  Maybe a comp.fonts FAQ has this info?

--Randy Smith
rjsmith@mmdis01.hq.aflc.af.mil
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:1301 comp.sys.mac.system:7118
From: shmuli@huji.ac.il (Shmuel Browns)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: StyleWriter driver and TrueType fonts
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:52:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Distribution: comp
Organization: Mail to News Gateway


    I just used the Apple StyleWriter printer for the first time today - really
quite nice but have a few questions:
    1)  SW was connected to a Mac IIsi running System 6.0.7 with the old driver
so I thought heck why not have background printing and copied the new driver
from the System 7 Tune-Up disk to the System folder.  I could Choose it and
print but then the PrintMonitor popped up saying that the MicroSoft Word file
was damaged and could not be printed (it wasn't because I could print it 
without background printing on - I didn't upgrade the Backgounder or
PrintMonitor program).  Does anyone know whether this can be made to work?
    2)  System 6.0.7 included the TrueType Init (and also one for MS Word).  Are
there only TT fonts for Courier, Helvetica, Times and Symbol?  Surely not!  How
do I get the others, Avant Garde, Bookman, etc.
      Thanks,
        Shmuel
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: add@newshub.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray)
Subject: FTP sites with TrueType fonts?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:19:31 GMT

Are there any BBSs or FTP sites that archive TrueType fonts or utilities
to convert other font formats to TrueType?
-- 



Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Subject: Re: Apple TrueTYPE fonts and Windows 3.1
Keywords: truetype, windows 3.1
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:33:24 GMT

In article <arshad.703142973@bilby> arshad@bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au (Arshad OMARI) writes:
>e to convert the TrueTYPE fonts from the MAC to those used by WIN3.1 ?
>If this is possible, how can I do it ?

And if it is possible, can it go the other way as well?