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From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Question about SPL
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:42:58 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I think I can remember seeing people running around with sound level
meters at competitions.  Does anybody know the sound pressure level (SPL)
at a given distance from a Blue Devils victory concert?  (and what was the
weighting for the measurement).

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:35:32 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1e36s1INN8tg@early-bird.think.com>, fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu
(Michael Fath) says:
>
>In article <1992Nov13.185524.10159@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
>dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>>
>>Is anyone else just a little disappointed that Madison has decided
>>to go with a show that consists entirely of music they have played before?
>>At least one new piece would make it a bit more interesting, in my
>>opinion.
>>
>>-- Donald
>
>I agree.  I think that it will keep them out of the top five in 1993.  But
>Madison seems content not to push the envelope and focus instead on bringing
>solid drumcorps to the field.  A lot of people around me in Madison last
>year enjoyed the Scout's show more than any other and I'm sure the Scout's
>staff gets enough positive feedback that it doesn't feel any need to change.
>
>After all, they did WIN in 1988 with Malaguena.
 
And a highly questionable result it was, too.
 
Mike Hughes
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: 1992 CD's
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:43:29 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



I phoned DCI headquarters today and was told that they
expect the CD's to be in at the very end of this month.

Also, you can still order them now, but as soon as they
are sold out they are out of print so the earlier the order
the better.
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: ties?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:11:04 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu

Question:  If two corps tie for 1st place in Finals, do they have a
"march-off" or are they co-champions?  At some point in history, ties
resulted in a "march-off" (does anyone have details?).  What is DCI's policy?


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From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com (David Owens)
Subject: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:17:13 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Just got some mail from the corps, so I thought I'd post what I know...

Open house...
   Sat Nov 28 1:00pm
   Bunker Hill Community College

   If you are at all interested in marching this year... please come
   by the open house.  Even if you're not that interested come by.
   You might become intersted.  :)  In any case, it should be
   a good time.



Principle instructors for 93...
   Brass Arranger           Jim Prime
   Brass Coordinator        Tom Lizotte
   Percussion Arranger      Thom Hannum
   Percussion Coordinator   Pat Amann
   Visual Designer          Chris Raichle
   Visual Coordinator       Kevin Walsh
   Color Guard Coordinator  Ellen Cirillo

(only Pat Amann will be a new face this year)

It is just a hunch, but I'd bet Tom Aungst (sp?) will be teaching a
little too.  He's the new percussion instructor at my old HS (Dartmouth)
and there's plenty of Boston staff teaching there.  It'd be a shame to
have him in the area and not drag him to rehearsal during the winter. :)


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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Popcorn Survey & DCI
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:48:27 GMT

In article <1eqtb7INNs13@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.171007.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>Dear Drum Corps Fan:
>>
>
>Where did you send this letter?  DCW or DCI Today?  Has it come out yet?
>

I'm pretty sure that the letter appeared in DCWorld.  I think it was
in the issue just after Finals (or the one after that).

-- Donald
From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: MACY's Parade
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:11:20 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
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I just saw an ad on TV for Macy's here in Atlanta, it used shots of the 
Drum Corps East all-stars from last year's Macy's parade.  I think the
music throught the ad was also from the all-stars, at least it had excelent
percussion.  

Brings up another subject, I'm pretty sure the East all-stars are going to
be in this years Macy's parade also this thursday..

  Richard.Lapham@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM           
     "Don't peak too early" all Corp directors.
         "All opinions are my own - unless I state otherwise"
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:07:07 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu

Thanks for the Crusaders info,  can you remind us what they are planning
on playing for 1993?

Just curious -- and I want it for the FAQ.


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From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Info request on facets of the Cavies '92 show
Keywords: questions, geeky, composer
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:51:12 GMT

(since i lived on the west coast for the past 5 years, I haven't seen much of
drum corps other than the west coast guys, excuse my 'out of touch ness'.
also, one is a bit geeky, but I'm just curious if someone knows for sure...)

1) Who is Jack Stamp? I noticed he is credited as a composer on one of the
	pieces, and I've not ever heard of him, can't find anything on him.

2) On one of the Malcom Arnold 'dances' pieces the BD line plays unison 6's
	with one hand, their left hands holding the mallet up so you dont 
	think there is any funny business... anyhow, 1) are they playing them
	with both sides of a std mallet or is it a frame-drum beater, and 2)
	are they playing straight 6's or are there diddles in there? I hear
	them but I cant tell if it is a tic or if they were intentional.

Unfortunately, all i have to go on is the pbs summary broadcast and I can't
really tell much visually on that.


-- 
Flip Phillips					flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University
From: cneal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Neal)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Wanna march??
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:35:31 GMT
Reply-To: cneal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Neal)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cneal@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Hi all. I have to say I'm getting hyped about November camp time. Everyone who attends camps in any capacity, please post how things go.

I've mentioned this before, but I want to remind everyone about the new corps in Texas. It's called Lone Star, and is based in Wichita Falls. We plan to march either 40 or 80 (1 or 2 buses) depending on the turnout. If anyone is interested in marching this summer, we are interested in talking to you. We have openings in all captions. If you know anyone who....well, you know how it goes. Texas is known for having great bands, and  there is definitely room for another corps in this area.

The first camp is this weekend (Nov. 28 & 29) , and if anyone wants more info, contact me by email, or contact our corps director, Jeff Ashlock, at (817) 322-7777

Wish us luck, and as always, any support, financial or otherwise, is always appreciated!!

Chris
Brass Staff
Lone Star D&B Corps


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:43:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <By5K75.B6s@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>Last point: 1988 was a tremendously entertaining year. Scouts were great.  SCV
>had a killer show with killer props. The Black Devils show still blows me over
>when I listen to it. And Star played perhaps the Last Ever Top-12 Drum Corps
                          ^^^^
>Show composed entirely of *Marches*. Garfield's Copeland pieces were again
                            ^^^^^^^
>unforgettabel and magical.

Didn't Star do Porgy and Bess?  The tenor players had snare drum like drums
where their shot drums would be.

>--phil

--David


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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: MACY's Parade
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:33:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <11447@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham) writes:
>I just saw an ad on TV for Macy's here in Atlanta, it used shots of the 
>Drum Corps East all-stars from last year's Macy's parade.  I think the
>music throught the ad was also from the all-stars, at least it had excelent
>percussion.  
>
>Brings up another subject, I'm pretty sure the East all-stars are going to
>be in this years Macy's parade also this thursday..
>

Yes.  They are going to do the Macy's parade in NYC for Thanksgiving.  They
leave Monday to rehearse somewhere in NJ.  I wouldn't mind see those
rehearsals.

>  Richard.Lapham@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM           
>     "Don't peak too early" all Corp directors.
>         "All opinions are my own - unless I state otherwise" 

--David
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From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:59:52 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I liked the Scouts' 1990 show.  

I'm glad they came out west that year so I could see it in person!
Does anyone know if they'll repeat that aspect as well?

Tom Matthews
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Music distributors for wind ensemble music
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:52:50 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu

Here is something I thought would be of interest that I discovered last
Friday.  There are several music distibutors that sell cassettes, records
and CDs produced by college wind ensembles.  I got a catalog from one
place and it includes many pieces that have been played by drum corps.

West Coast Music Service
P.O. Box 3501
North Ft. Myers, FL  33918-3501
813-731-0565

I called and got a catalog from them.  Here are some selected pieces
available:

Heroes, Lost and Fallen - Cav 1993
Morning Alleluias - Cav 1993
Gavorkna Fanfare - Cav 1992
Chester Overture - Star 1992
Savannah River Holiday - BK 1991, 87
Aspen Jubilee - BK 1991
Medieval Suite - Cav 1990
Festival Variations - Cav 1987
Var on a Korean Folk Song - Cav 1987
Litergical Dances - Cav 1987
Crown Imperial - Star 1989
Festive Overture - SCV 1985, 86
Fanfare and Allegro - SCV 1984

and many, many more - over 600 recordings, 4000 works

If you've ever been in a wind ensemble and been interested in getting 
recordings of works for band, here is a good place to look.

I have one recording already - the Cincinnati Conservatory doing
Gavorkna Fanfare.  The performance quality and recording quality (it's a
CD) are very good.  BUT, I can't vouch for the quality of other recordings.
I'm sure I'll be ordering a few CDs from them soon - esp. the
Heroes Lost and Fallen and Morning Alleluias.  I'll post my impressions
of these recordings when they come in.

Another source of information is 

TRN Music Publisher
P.O. Box  1076
Ruidoso, NM  88345
505-258-4325

They sell sheet music from many of the contempory composers, including
David Holsinger.  For promotional purposes, they sell cassettes that 
have the music that they sell (at cost).  I just got from them four
cassettes of band music including a To Tame the Perilous Skies.  TTTPS
is performed by the Bowling Green Wind Ensemble and, while it has a few
perfomance flaws, it is a very nice performance.  They also have a catalog
which lists the music they sell and the cassettes they distribute.  I'm
sure people could get TTTPS from them at little or no cost.

Check them out.

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:10:31 GMT

In article <Nov14.171052.51230@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
>
>>In article <1992Nov13.094525.5577@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>                THE SHOW WILL BE:
>>>
>>>                  NUMERO UNO ('81 -ISH)
>>>                  STRAWBERRY SOUP ( '82 AND '83 I BELIEVE)
>>>                  REMEMBRANCE ( 1990)
>>>
>>Is anyone else just a little disappointed that Madison has decided
>>to go with a show that consists entirely of music they have played before?
>>At least one new piece would make it a bit more interesting, in my
>>opinion.
>>
>>-- Donald
>
>Some of us weren't around in 81, and are thrilled to hear this music
>for the first time. 
>
>I also think that looking back is a healthy thing that the activity is
>sadly getting away from because the judges demand innovation.  But I don't
>see why playing a piece that was played before can't be innovative.
>None of the performers (and probably few of the staff or writers) were
>around in 81, and you know the visuals, drill, arrangements will be
>very different.
>
>Let me add, finally, that at the end of every season I feel sad that
>I'll never, ever, see these shows again.  Worse, people who discover
>the activity the next year will have never, ever see these shows.
>So why not reach back for some of the most thrilling moments and let
>people enjoy them -- either again, or for the first time.  Some of these
>moments might also be a thrill (and an education) to perform.

You are absolutely correct that going back tends to be healthy for
drum corps.  What I was disappointed about (and I'm only a little
disappointed, remember) is that they didn't choose to try, say, one
new piece.

The main reason why new stuff is a little more appealing to me is that
drum corps still has a lot of exploration it can do.  With the talent level
of the Madison Scouts, it seems like a small lost opportunity for the
activity.  On the other hand, maybe their show will be totally different
from a visual point of view, so that new ground may be broken there.
Who knows.

Finally, whether a show is new and innovative or whether it is a "blast
from the past", your observations in your last paragraph will still be true.

Let me reiterate: I am still going to listen and watch the Scouts with
anticipation this year (I didn't see any of the early 80's shows, either).

While we are talking about the Scouts, they are selling Christmas cards.
On the front of the card is a whimsical drawing of 3 horn players and
a snare player (along with a parrot playing cymbals while sitting on a
snowman).  On the inside, it just says "Happy Holidays".  Anyway, they
go for $10 + $2 (shipping)  (or is it $2.50?) for 20 cards and 20 envelopes.

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:40:42 GMT

<MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

< ... reflecting on Madison's victory in 1988 ... >

> IMHO, it wasn't possible and it didn't happen.  Both BD and SCV had more
> musically challenging shows, that were executed noticably better.  Had the
> same been true of Scouts, I would have no trouble saying that they deserved
> the title.  But up to a week before championships, Madison was so far back
> of BD and SCV that any catchup would have been a miracle...a miracle that
> didn't happen.  The only way it could have happened at that point in the
> season, IMHO, would have been for BD and SCV to damn near stop practicing
> altogether.

As I've stated before, I believe Madison's program was the most
sophisticated visual program in 1988.  Every other section was stong as
well.  I didn't agree that Madison should have won until I got the
video's and CD's.  If you watch and listen to that show, you'll see there
was nothing else that could compete with that design and performance.

Sitting in Arrowhead, I thought BD had it tied up, but ....

>2. Politics.
> 
> No one has mentioned the *mystery-finals* of 1988.  This was the only year
> in the history of DCI (before OR since) where the relative placements of
> the top 5 remained anonymous until the announcement of scores Saturday
> night.  It was a highly questionable practice, and I don't remember hearing
> that finals were going to be run this way in advance (anyone who could shed
> some light on this, please do so).

Well definitely in advance, the Rules Congress agreed that not
announcing the prelim scores would heighten the supspence of finals.  I
personally didn't agree, and I was very surprised that Madison even made
that top five (which would be on the PBS broadcast.)

Fortunately, by the next year DCI had decided that the uproar over the
"mystery finals" wasn't worth the suspense.  BTW, I have it on a very good
source that the top-12 did indeed know the scores going into the finals
performance.

Later,
Bob

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:55:30 -0500 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
	<1erhb8INNh97@early-bird.think.com>

On 23-Nov-92 in Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?  
user Michael Fath@mbcrr.dfci. writes:
>Song Without Words        >   both from Folk Song Suite
>Fantasia on the Dargason  >   by Vaughn Williams

Nope. They're from Holst's 2nd Suite in F for Military Band.

deej
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:30:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1eb1qrINNqs5@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>Thanks for the Crusaders info,  can you remind us what they are planning
>on playing for 1993?
>
>Just curious -- and I want it for the FAQ.

They are doing Sheharazad (sp?)by Rimski-Kosokov and another Russian piece.

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 POC in Yplisanti?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:22:01 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <92317.113136MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> (alt.drumcorps), <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Is it true, folks?  I heard that the 1993 Preview of Champions is in
>Yplisanti, MI.  Any comments on the stadium/facilities/area?
> 
>Thanks, Mike Hughes
>

I don't know if it's true.  I've marched in Ypsilanti twice (DCI Midwest),
but I don't remember a thing about the stadium.  Unless it was the
place with the huge metal bleachers?

Niel

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Trivia
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:16:03 GMT

fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

( ... You didn't say not to post, so here goes ... )

>1.  Summer Sketches

Cavaliers - 1984.  (Although could be 1983.)  I believe the piece was
writting by Dave Grusin, but I'm not sure.

>2.  Interstellar Suite

Spirit - 1989.  Written by Amin Bhatia.  (One of the best CD's I own.)

>3.  Armenian Dances

Phantom - 1984.  Written by Sir Alfred Reed.

>4.  Unsquare Dance

Boston Crusaders - 1987.  (I could be wrong on the year for this one.)
Written by Dave Brubeck.

>5.  Hungarian Dance #5

Blue Coats - 1986.  (Unless I'm thinking of the wrong piece.)

>6.  Sophisticated Ladies

Bridgemen - 1983.  Part of the Duke Ellington suite?

>7.  Open Wide

27th - 1980.  Written by Don Ellis.

>8.  Live and Let Die

Velvet Knights - 1986.  Written by Paul McCartney.

>9.  Symphonic Metamorphosis

Sky Ryders - 1989.  No idea who wrote it though.

>10. Waltz of the Mushroom Hunters

Madison - 1984.  Written by Don Ellis.

I may be wrong on a few of these, but surely someone out there will
point that out.  This was fun, we'll have to do it some more.

Later,
Bob

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