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From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Babri Masjit Destroyed!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 19:06:49 GMT


In article <sf909JK00iUx88L39g@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ra
vindiran Suresh) writes:
>>Incest has been committed
>
>You call this incest! Where did you sudenly learn the value of morality?
>The Indian army is committing quite a few 'incests' from Kashmir to
>Asam. Do you have a cry reserved for the unfortunate people from these
>areas? Or what about the slow 'strangulation' of Tamils in northen SR by
>the Sinhalase government(which is assisted by Delhi)?
>
>If a bunch of religious zealots go astray and do some some wanton
>destruction in Ayodhya, you are shedding tears? There's nothing dramatic
>about such nonsence in
>the the 'Cow Belt' of India. It has been going on ever since the first
>Mugal came. Why weep a tear for such mad men? After all, 'leaders' from
>this region have made all of us politically voiceless. The fudalism and
>lack of clear reasoning still predominate these 'people'(and the leaders
>reflect it!).
>
>Let the damn Ayodhya burn! Its' very sad to see Rao from Andhra Pradesh
>sitting atop a bloody nonsense that's ingrained in 'that' society.
>
>What really matters is that WE must preserve our Tamil heritage in its
>wholeness and be strong.  What we do and say should reflect our
>identity. And not to be bothered by relicts of Aryan nonsenses, whether
>they originate from Ayodhya or from New Delhi. Those 'nuts' can learn a
>thing or two from our past.
>
>-Suresh



Mr. Suresh:

     I earlier said that Indians are not qualified to preach the SL Tamils
about what they should do when the do not know anything about what is the real
problem of the SL Tamils.


     The same thing I repeat to you now.  When you do not understand the real
problem of India you better do not preach.  I thought the people who suffered
in the hands of oppressors will realize any human right problem.  But you seem
to be an exception.  Or is it the same attitude some Srilankan Tamil
opportunist leaders like Ponnambalam had towards the Sinhalese and the
plantation Tamils in the 40s.

     How much you know about the dominance of "the rich-upper caste-Hindu
chauvunist coterie" in Indian politics and society.  It is not an isolated
incident.  It is similar to what the Sinhalese racists succeeded in
communalizing the poor and innocent Sinhalese masses in Srilanka.  But you seem
to understand the SL issue also in a different way (in  your statements). I
support you fight against the Srilankan racism and Indian imperialism in your
soil.  But dont bring Tamil racism to replace them.  Ordinary Sinhalese or
Indians are only scapegoats.  The ruling class in India is trying to
communalize India in order to suck the people economically.  Fortunately Indian
society is so plural that these goons cannot do it easliy like what the racists
did in Srilanka.  Hindi imposition is also another weapon they use.  But
ordinary Hindi-speaking Indian is not interested in it.  He is as poor as
ordinary Tamil in TN.

     I hate false stupid Indian patriotism and the same way I dont have to go
for any stupid Tamil identity also.  If an Indian forces me to deny the Tamil
identity and accept Indian identity I will loudly say that I am a Tamil.
Similarly if a Tamil like you forces me to deny Indian nationality and accept
Tamil identity, I will loudly say that I prefer Indian nationality to a Tamil
racist.  It is my right.  Here "I" does not refer me particularly but ordianry
Tamils in TN.  So dont bother about identity.  Just worry about whether we are
able to live with dignity and equality irrespective of what identity we have.
Ultimately all the identities have to disappear one day.


S. Sankarapandi
ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu



Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Wed,  9 Dec 1992 01:49:24 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Babri Masjit Destroyed!!
	<1992Dec8.190649.11218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

All the religious zealots' leaders should be hanged. But, then just one
of their
deaths will trigger more riots. So, the best thing is to arrest all of
them and delay the court poceedings as much as possible. 

Demagogues and hoodlums! They(including Advani-the head man) should not
be allowed public exposure. Rao has a tough job ahead. It is yet to be
seen how much he can do given the Prime Minister's dependency on a
divided parliament. The Indian parliamentary system is antiquated, at
best ill equiped to handle the present and the future. The head of state
should be accountable to only the people who put him in power, not
various deviuos political crooks! So, the system must change. Who in
India is strong enough and principled enough to stand and fight for such
changes? This is what has to be done if India's unity is to be preserved
in a semblance of federal make up.

-Suresh
(I'm mad!)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: thiruvembaavai and RAM! 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 23:38:17 GMT

In article <kat.723918221@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>
>   No thamizh of any caste/religion seem to have involved >in the RAM issue. According to local newspapers (Citizen-Ottawa, Globe and Mail) > everystate other
>than TN has atleast one killing.
>
>      What I cannot believe is how RAM is a God of 85% Hindus as these papers
>claim. Citizen says that Hindus  beleive that RAM was born 5000 years ago
>precisely in the same place where Babri Masjid is located.
>Who is RAM. GOD! I am a HINDU theist who does not believe in RAM nonsense. May be
>LK ADVANI and his cronies believed that for their benefit. The emotions and
>stupidity of uneducated mass are utilized by some vested interests. 

Advani and other Bramin leaders are supposed to be Hindu revivalists.  They
believe that Hinduism is revived and invested with new life now that the
Babri Masjid is destroyed.  

What it fact happened is that they have brought shame to ALL so called
Hindus.  I am not aware of ANY political party in the WORLD that 
advocate the destruction of other faiths's worship places in the 
20'th century.  This can only be done by people who believe in Vedas
and  especially ashwa-medha yaaga.

Meenan Vishnu

> Kathiravan


Meenan Vishnu



Date: Wed,  9 Dec 1992 18:26:28 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: A resolve:


India in its present status has reached a breakway point. If India is to
move forward, it cannot simply afford to hold assemby with religious
zealots and demagogues duisguised as politicians. Time has come for all
Indians to realize each and everyones' responsibility the citizenship
has bestowed upon him/her. 
It is time for everyone to display a show of support for Narasimha Rao
so he can fufill his duties towards the coutry without being held
hostage to 'dark forces.'  India's courtship with the 'dark forces' ends
now. These forces must never be allowed to have a life if India is to be.

-Ranjith Suresh



Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 16:39:24 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Solution to Ayodhya problem, by TN chief minister.
	<1992Dec9.230102.11497@udel.edu>

>especially on her arresting journalists, but she seems to 
>capable of rational thinking and this was the example I gave you.

She is also capable of ammassing imense wealth with the abuse of office.
In broad daylight. Not tolerant of any dissent, her 'followers' have
committed enough arson invlolving journalists & offices. Settled her
personal vendetta  after taking the office in all possible ways(how were
'sacked
' in a humiliating manner?)Basically, she is an eyesore(and a crook) in
TN. I can smell the dirt right here.

-suresh




Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 04:12:11 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A resolve:

>SriLankans told "annai indiraa", "aNNan raajeev". But what happened?

Who called 'aNNan raajeev'? That's news to me. And don't insult me by
labelling me a 'Sri Lankan.' 'Sri lanka' is a Sinhalase word, for
starters. I have no affinity to be associated with that word. 

Concerning PVNR & his office, its like looking at a sick patient.
Somebody wants postmartem. I'm suggesting curing the patient. I do know
a few things about Indian politics(a lot on vital issues concerning
India). Everyone seems to have something  bad to say on PVNR. I'm yet to
see any alternative solution suggested. This is more like a mad feeding
frezy.

Still, I fully support the measures he has taken. What matters is that
he stays on the correct course from now on.  And, please don't compare
Rao to Rajiv. It is not warranted.

-suresh
of a mob. 

-Thambi
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