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From: trailrdr@well.sf.ca.us (Alan Goldman)
Subject: Mountain Bicyclists Sue National Park Service
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: All
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:17:57 GMT


For Immediate Release                                         Contact
January 4, 1993                                          Jim Jacobsen
                                                       (415) 456 7512
                                                       Terry Houlihan
                                                       (415) 393-2022
                                                         Alan Goldman
                                               trailrdr@well.sf.ca.us

          Bicycle Trails Council of Marin to File Lawsuit
                 Against National Park Service

After 5 years of public meetings and private conferences with the
staff of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area in an unsuccessful
attempt to retain reasonable access to roads and trails in the Marin
Headlands, The Bicycle Trails Council of Marin, along with the
Bicycle Trails Council of the East Bay, the International Mountain
Bicycling Association, and the League of American Wheelmen,
environmentally active groups dedicated to preservation of open
spaces as well as safety and education of bicyclists, have filed a
lawsuit to halt implementation of the new "Designated Bicycle Routes"
plan. We are represented in this action by Terry Houlihan of
McCutchen, Doyle, Brown & Enersen.

The new plan would significantly restrict bicyclists and violates
both the National Environmental Policy Act and the Golden Gate
National Recreation Area Act. The GGNRA has set January 11, 1993, as
the date to begin enforcement of the new bicycle restrictions. Brian
O'Neill, superintendent of the GGNRA, was unavailable to meet with
the Bicycle Trails Council of Marin for a last minute effort to avoid
a lawsuit. It is noteworthy that no restrictions for either hikers or
equestrians are to be implemented now.

The Bicycle Trails Council of Marin has maintained that the addition
of approximately 5 miles of trails would be sufficient to prevent any
legal action. These additional 5 miles of trails would relieve the
crowding of all bicyclists onto the few trails left, allow through
access to most ridge tops and provide many more loop trails, lacking
in the official "Designated Bicycle Routes" plan. Loop routes were
provided for both hikers and equestrians but were not considered
essential for bicyclists. Hikers are allowed on an extensive system
of "undesignated" trails in addition to the officially "designated"
ones.

The Bicycle Trails Council of Marin, through it's "Trips for Kids"
program, has taken hundreds of inner city kids on bicycle rides over
many of the trails to be closed. The Bicycle Trails Council of Marin,
through it's Mountain Bike Basics program, teaches new and
inexperienced bicyclists safety and skills needed to become more
proficient. Both of these programs would be adversely affected by the
new restrictions.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 12:11:27 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Winter Training

I would like to hear from some of the netnews riders who do a lot of Winter
training to prepare for Spring and Summer.  Some articles I have read in
bike magazines say to use a high cadence, while others say to climb hills
and grind it out.  I also read that Greg LeMond would use a heavy bike in the
Winter, switch to a lighter bike, then a carbon fiber which he uses in racing
when Spring comes along. Also, would it be wise to bulk up in weight, eat a
lot of pasta, then trim down later, or does it matter?  This is my first
Winter for training, so I would like to here from some of you serious riders.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Hennick)
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:08:43 GMT

> Joshua_Putnam writes:
>
> As a follow-up to the age-group breakdown of reported cyclist
> injuries & deaths I posted earlier, I thought it might be
> interesting, and somewhat amusing, to compare bicycles with other
> injury-related consumer products.  The following are estimated
> numbers of injuries in the U.S. in 1989, as prepared by the
> National Safety Council from Consumer Product Safety Commission
> data.
>
> Injuries  Product category
>
> 1,450,421 Stairs, ramps, landings, floors
>   514,738 Bicycles & accessories
>   335,038 Cutlery & knives, unpowered
>   302,190 Beds, mattresses, pillows
>   131,551 Ladders, stools
>   106,792 Mopeds, minibikes, ATVs
>    65,819 Skateboards
>    71,074 Power home workshop saws
>    34,949 Television sets
>    32,670 Paper, cardboard, plastic
>
> Of course, none of this says anything about severity of injuries,
> rate of use of the product, etc., so it's mostly just of trivial
> interest.

I know this is the wrong group to be getting into such a discussion...
but shouldn't chainsaws be in there somewhere?

--
| "To use interrupt, master the operations of 8088 and 8259A beforehand" |
| (from Sanyo MBC-550 series Operators Guide, 1984)                      |
|                                      Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca    |
| interrupt trap halt                                                    |


From: slo@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Loughran)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:05:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Turning left (Denmark)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc


There's quite a nice trend here in Bristol where turning right is the problem.
The council is marking off a bit at traffic lights for bikes, so you can
get ahead of all the traffic. They are also putting in short lanes so
that you can easily get to this area -one lane at the left of the road, and
one lane to let you get set up for a right turn.

The junctions still have some problems: cars block the bikes only bit
and the lanes aren't long enough. This means that my journey up to one of these
junctions involves skipping the traffic jam by going along the pavement or up
the oncoming traffic lane then weaving though the cars waiting the no waiting
bit of a junction before the lights before finally getting into the bike lane.
When the lights change I can be first to set off, avoiding being cut up
by the cars behind, then negotiate all the cars sitting across the junction
because they weren't looking to see if they could get across or were in too
much of a hurry.

Still, its a start I suppose.

	steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Subject: Re: Searching for a cycling activity in bay area!
Reply-To: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:12:49 GMT

In article <18V902xn31zD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> sze40@cards.ccc.amdahl.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
>
>I wonder if there are any clubs for bicycling activities in 
>the bay area! Also, I would like to know if there is a newsgroup
>specifically for the bay area about cycling activities.

As others have suggested, check California Bicyclist, a monthly tabloid
available at most bike shops.  (I have heard it's on shaky financial 
ground and may be sold or closed down if things don't change.)

Also look for The Spinning Crank, bimonthly newsletter of the Silicon
Valley Bicycle Coalition (SVBC), the bike advocacy group for the South 
Bay and Peninsula.  It's also available at many bike shops, or for 
$10/year membership (P.O. Box 831, Cupertino, CA 95015-0831).  All the 
news about bike access improvements at the city level and on local 
transit (CalTrain, for example).   The next SVBC general meeting is
this Thursday evening at 7:30 pm, Sunnyvale Round Table Pizza, Washington
at Frances (across from Macy's, and near the Sunnyvale CalTrain station).

On the inside back cover of the Crank are listed many "bike clubs" in 
the area, including:

* Almaden Cycle Touring Club (San Jose)
* Western Wheelers (Peninsula).  
* Skyline Cycling Club (Peninsula / South Bay)
* Fremont Freewheelers (Fremont / East Bay)

The advocacy groups in the Bay Area are:

* Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition (South Bay and Peninsula)
* East Bay Bicycle Coalition (Alameda and Contra Costa counties)
* San Francisco Bicycle Coalition (SF City and County)
* Regional Bicycle Advisory Committee (REBAC), which advises
  Bay Area government groups such as the Metropolitan Transportation
  Commission (MTC)

There are no Bay Area specific cycling newsgroups, but your newsposter 
program can restrict articles you post to "ba" (Bay Area) distribution, 
which helps to restrict their readership accordingly (though many news 
forwarding systems ignore this, so lots of "ba" stuff gets across the 
country or even around the world).  I use "ba" distribution when 
posting for-sale items on rec.bicycles.marketplace, for example.

Finally, if you're interested in local bike advocacy discussions, 
contact Bill Michel, SVBC president, (bm@eng.sun.com) about the 
"bikecommute" email list.

/John




-- 
John Ciccarelli           Adobe Systems,  1585 Charleston |    _~C      __C
jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com  Mountain View CA USA 94039-7900 |  ='\<,    ='\<,
uunet!adobe!jciccare      415/962-6677,  fax:415/903-0584 | (&)/(\)  (&)/(\)
=== "If you live within 7 miles of your job, why drive?" === BIKE TO WORK ==
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:08:57 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:27:18 GMT
>FROM:   Joshua_Putnam <josh@Happy-Man.com>

>The death rate (deaths per 100,000 population) from accidents and
>violence varies by sex and race.
>
>                       Wht.M   Wht.F      Blk.M   Blk.F
>Total                   81.1    32.8      138.6    39.4
>Motor vehicle accident  27.0    12.1       28.3     9.3
>All other accident      24.5    12.7       37.0    15.0
>Suicide                 21.4     5.2       12.2     2.4
>Homicide                 8.2     2.8       61.1    12.9
>
>The death rate from natural causes is about 867 for males of
>either race, 826 for white females, and 714 for black females.

Fascinating. Looking at these numbers brings back memories of Ashley 
Montagu's book, _The Natural Superiority of Women_ (I think that's the 
correct title). We penifers seem to be a great deal more accident-prone, 
to put it mildly  -- and look at the way we kill ourselves! Wow.

How 'bout it, guys -- let's all stay home and let the women take over. 
Better yet, let's encourage the *Black* women to take over.

--Michael Smith
From: jdr40@ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Bike Club Survey: Again
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>I guess by your standards I am a "B" rider, but I do and lead the hardest rides  
>in our club.  (For a sample, come to Gear in Geneseo and try out the 5 Lakes  
>Century.)  We have 22+ mph (A+) riders who do no more than 30 miles.  We have  
>9-12 mph riders (D) who regularly do centuries and more and have for years.   
>That is why we dropped the pace ratings.  We won't go back, at least as long as  
>I have anything to say about it.  We want to encourage the slower riders to try  
>the hard rides.  If they do as a group they can ride together and enjoy it.   
>Many times I have ridden at pace slower than I like to promote the big rides.   
>It is worth it.  Often next year they aren't slow any more.
>
The ride classes are simply a guide so you know what average speeda
listed ride will be. Every ride listed is of a different distance and
up to the person listing the ride. Major rides like centuries the club
pusts on are obviously not listed by class as they are open to anyone.
In order to qualify for a specific class, again proof is not required to
ride a club ride, you are expected to be able to keep pace, you have to
meet certain requirments. For example, a class B qualifier is 65 miles in
under 5 hours total time with an average speed better that 15mph, class A
is 100 miles in under 7 hours with better than 18mph average and A+ is 100
miles with better than 22mph average.

The class system may not be the best but it works extremely well for us.
We have a very large and active club considering the areas population.
Everyone enjoys it without complaint. The listed classes are just guide
lines, I regularly show up at A+ class rides that are in the 30 - 40
mile range because I know I can hold 22mph for that distance but have
never rode a qualifier because I know I can't hold it for 100 miles. I
usually don't show up at class B rides of any distance because I feel
like I contantly have to slow down and wait. Without a class system, no
one would know what rides suited their abilities.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Hit from behind
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:04:35 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

I'm posting this on behalf of the original writer, who as he explains, 
doesn't have posting access.

--Michael Smith


>DATE:   Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:23:24 EST
>FROM:   ckaan@BBN.COM
>
>Hi
>
>Sometime ago you wondered about the incident of bicyclists struck from
>behind.  I am also skeptical of John Forester's claims that it is
>insignificant. Anyway, though I have been reading r.b.* for a while,
>I am unable to post (I'll have to check into it) and since I haven't seen
>this, I though I would send this to you.  Feel free to repost (actually,
>I'd appreciate it if you would).
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>[From the December 25, 1992 issue of the Seattle Times]
>Kent --  A 20-year-old Kent man died of injuries suffered when he was struck 
>by a pickup while riding his bicycle Wednesday night, said King County Police.
>
>	Todd Ossorio was riding his 10-speed northbound on Military Road South
>near South 272nd Street at 4:45 p.m. when he was struck from behind by the
>pickup, police said.  Witnesses said the tuck had been moving erratically.
>
>	The driver of the truck allegedly drove away from the scene.  A witness 
>chased the pickup and managed to bring the driver back to the scene, police
>said.  The driver was arrested and is awaiting charges.
>
>	Ossorio was brought to Harborview Medical Center where he died at 9:25
>p.m. Wednesday night.  Police did not know whether the victim was wearing a
>helmet, but officiers said they did not find one at the scene.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Also, there was a item in the June Cascade Bicycle Club newsletter about
>a woman who was in a coma after being struck from behind.  Her husband
>heard a loud bang, which he thinks was her rear tire exploding, and saw
>the offending car spped away. The police were looking for the car (and driver)
>at the time.  I'll have to find out if the woman survived.
>
>Anyway, from anecdotal evidence like these, I think being struck from behind
>is a major danger, and Forester's statistics are inaccurate.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
From: Bob_Parker@QM.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Parker)
Subject: Re: Searching for a cycling activity in bay area!
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:55:12 GMT

In article <18V902xn31zD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, sze40@cards.ccc.amdahl.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I wonder if there are any clubs for bicycling activities in 
> the bay area! Also, I would like to know if there is a newsgroup
> specifically for the bay area about cycling activities.
> 
> If there is such newsgroup, how can I subscribe to it??
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Suzan
>There are lots of clubs in the bay area, touring, racing, tandems.  Some are
more "socially oriented".  Stop by a bike shop and pick up a copy of 
California Bicyclist magazine (it's free). In it they list clubs and rides.  
Also pick up newsletters from local clubs.  
> 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Bike paths (FROM Re: Cycling and Environmentalism)
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:18:58 GMT

In article <01010064.n9a77b@titipu.resun.com>, ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid) writes:
|> Au contraire!!!  The travel lane is *exactly* where the motorist is *always*
|> watching for obstacles!  Especially at the edge -- signs, guardrails, curbs,
|> bicyclists.  Motorists don't like hitting such objects.  Tends to scratch the
|> paint.  On the other hand, motorists are much *less* likely to be alert to
|> objects outside their travel lane, even if said objects are moving.

Your opinion seems to be confirmed by German road safety experts who feel
that cycle paths to the side of the road are unsafe.  They believe that the
act of overtaking cyclists at the right of the road reinforces the fact that
slower moving 'obsticals' exist and care should be taken in right turn
situations.  The big difference between a cyclist and a pedestrian moving on
the sidewalk (path) is speed.  Driver's separated from cyclists have a much
harder job judging their speed than that of pedestrians.

David.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Dilemma
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:17:18 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   12 Jan 93 18:19:06 GMT
>FROM:   Gary Robishaw x5960 <robishaw@asteroid.lrmsc.loral.com>
[What do you do when you meet a wrong-way rider?]
>
>Sounds to me like you did the right thing. This has been one of my pet peeves
>ever since I started commuting. My strategy is to hug the right as close as I
>can and force him/her into the traffic. [....]

In my neck of the woods, wrong-way riders (WWRs) seem to get as far to 
their left (my right) as possible, even to the extent of riding well 
inside the door zone. Since I'm usually out in the middle of the lane, 
the natural consequence is that the WWR and I pass each other with a 
comfortable margin, WWR on my right. They almost never seem to want to 
go outside of my track (i.e. to my left). 

--Michael Smith
From: Bicycle Federation of America <bfa@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Date: 08 Jan 93 12:41 PST
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan5.222304.11209@happy-man.:-669178651:cdp:1702500021:000:473
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bfa    Jan  8 12:41:00 1993


The Consumer Product Safety Commission data are based on a sample of hospital
emergency rooms AND are further restricted to those products (activities?)
that come under the purview of the CPSC (motor vehicles and guns do not; 
bicycles do).  With regard to the "bed" related injuries, most are due (I seem
to recall) to people _falling_ out of beds. Actually, I suspect that in one
way or another, most of the injuries reported are in association with a fall
of some kind.
From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: On nicities of bicycling.
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:09:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ

dps@delhi.esd.sgi.com (D.P. Suresh) asked for advice, including:
>> 	* Getting back home at night.
 
ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) suggested:
> Get lights and use them. ...
	[...]
>        -- and plenty of batteries.

There followed a discussion of environmental conscience and dedication
leading me to qualify Ilana's suggestion to include multiple sets of
rechargable batteries and a recharger.
-- 
Robert Bayn                        o                (I just can't
Office of Computer Services        \__^\=*        picture having fun
Utah State University            (O)""""o           by burning gas)
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Turning left (Denmark)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:43:55 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <73381@cup.portal.com> JForester@cup.portal.com (John - Forester) writes:
>In other words, the idea that both cyclists and motorists
>have control of their destinies and are cooperatively obeying a
>single set of rules doesn't enter their minds.

   Nor does it enter the minds of many motorists (and a not insignificant
number of bicyclists), at least in my neck of the woods.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:16:59 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov
Keywords: n

Michael Smith writes:
>>FROM:   Joshua_Putnam <josh@Happy-Man.com>
>>  302,190 Beds, mattresses, pillows
>
>300k plus from *bedding*? How, how, how?

Well, I do know a women who herniated a disk flipping her mattress.
I suppose you could strangle in the sheets.  It's really hard to imagine
how you could hurt yourself with a pillow, though.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Racers and Tires
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:46:23 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

In article <3450019@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>What I find curious
>about this exchange is that the combatants take as personal insults
>my contention that TdF winners are not necessarily the best able to
>evaluate tires and to descend mountain roads.

Just for the record, I don't take it as a personal insult when you
make completely unfounded contentions about TdF(TIOOYK) winners.

What I take as a personal insult is that in the course of this public
discussion, you felt it necessary to alter one of my replys in such
a way as to make me look bad.  This, as a number of netters pointed
out to me in private mail, is a breach of net etiquette.

People ask me why I have a problem with you Jobst and I usually answer
it is because you will do anything to keep from "losing" a discussion.
You proved me correct in a dsiplay that has for many of us undermnined,
forever, your credibility on the net.

Bruce
From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:08:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Motorola will Race on Clinchers in 1993
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

Eric House writes:

> I mean, I got like millions of flats in like hardly any miles at
> all with Super Sports, and like hardly any flats on big-sized
> Michelins in trillions of miles.  Sorry not to be any more
> precise, but I'm not like conducting scientific experiments or
> anything.  I just don't like the tires.

I don't understand how this happens or what it means.  I suppose if
this were dissected into its detail, more might be apparent.  What
kind of flats were these?  I ride my Avocet ROAD 20's until the
cords show all around the tire.  Now if any tire is vulnerable, this
would seem to be the condition for it, and I don't get a rash of
flats.  In fact, as I have said before, most of my flats are snake
bites that I get from going too fast on rough trails.  I am no light
weight and I run my tires hard, harder than recommended.  I think
the flat incidence to tire brand is not statistically supported
because they do not occur with sufficient regularity to establish a
trend.  Some of the perception may arise from expectations.  If a
tire is supposed to be more flat resistant, some riders will throw
caution to the wind and ride through debris and get more flats,
others may take extra pains to make the prediction hold true.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing