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From: saunders@ug.cs.dal.ca (The One Who Walks)
Subject: Re: dis-ease
Keywords: the flu
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:26:33 GMT

   H'lo again.

   In response to using magick to cure the common cold/flu, it has been in
both my personal experience and in some of the better literature that I've
read, that magick really shouldn't be used to treat these illnesses. The
point that seems to come into play is that the cold/flu is used to purify
and/or cleanse the body of certain impurites (germs, perhaps). One text in
particular is _very_ adamant about not treating minor illnesses - apparently
the author learned the hard way (a friend came down with pneumonia after
a cold was treated). I've never experienced anything that drastic, but it's
a warning worth mentioning.

   So, bear up, take some neo-citrin, and spend a day or two with a good
book before a roaring fire away from the pressures of school/work. One of
my favorite forms of magick.

Until the wind changes,
Esteban (Stephen)
-- 
"Now this is the Law of the Jungle            -  "Imaginary people are
 As old and as true as the sky                -   people too!"
 And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, ------------------------
 But the wolf that shall break it must die."  Rudyard Kipling        -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: alt.magick support group
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:47:00 GMT

shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes:
: 
: difference between 12-step programs and some of the more stratified and 
: heirarchical degree-based magickal or religious groups.  12-steppers come in
: as novitiates, expecting something that -- realistically -- can't be taught
: to them, or handed them on a silver platter.  They are given the idea that
: if they just stick with it, some power (over their environment, through 
: self-empowerment) will be granted them.  They are taught to externalize this
: expectation at first, since they do not have the self-confidence to look for
: it within.  Eventually, if they are fortunate, they "graduate" to realization
: that the power is within them, and that the struggle is lifelong and on-
: going -- there are no silver bullets.  Some leave, and some become 'boddhi-

Unfortuanately, from what I have seen in the 12-step programs (as well as
being confirmed by some of the stronger adherents of the programs), the
people are never taught that it is all power within. The program relies
on an "outside supernatural entity" to provide the strength. That is one
of the reasons why the struggle is  lifelong. As long as the cause, and
solution, are external - the addiction will never end.

Another tenet of the 12-steppers that I disagree with is that they put
the cause of the addiction on the substance itself, rather than the   
person.

Bill
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:22:42 GMT

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> This has nothing to do with magick.
> This has nothing to do with magick.

Thank you for clearing this up for us...

Sigh,

Amanda
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Teenagers
Date: 25 Sep 92 20:33:56 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <0c40qB2w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys) writes:
>I can't find any better way to say it... I remember when I was a kid, my 
>parents always trivialized my problems.  "Your problem is minor compared 
>to real life," they said.  Now that I've grown up, I realize that what I 
>thought were serious problems then might not be so important now, but 
>that at THAT part of my life, they were life and death to me... don't 
>know why I'm different, but I can still remember what it was like to be a 
>kid... and what it was like to be treated like that...  and can try as 
>hard as I can not to treat my kids the same way I was treated.
> 
>Morgan
>
>
>------------------
>morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys)
>(Alternate) morgan%brewich@lobster.hou.tx.us
>Origin: The Brewer's Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
>     "Silence is the voice of complicity" - Vote Early, Vote Often!

	This interesting.  When I was younger, sometimes my problems 
would threaten to overwhelm me and I actually found it helpful to sit
back and think:
	I'm not sick
	I'm not dead, yet.
	Nobody else is either
	The long reaching consequences of this problem are not going to
		destroy my future happiness, nor anybody else's.
	Other people have dealt with this same problem, so,
	STOP YER CRYIN', GET ON YOUR FEET, AND EITHER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
		OR DEAL WITH IT.

	This, combined with a sound track chosen with care to go from worst
to best (Queen's "Boheimian Rhapsody" a song about a person to beaten up to
even care to Oingo Boingo's "Try to believe", inspirational in it's end,
"If I tell you there is something that we've lost but can retrieve, If I
tell you there is hope, if we try to believe" about regaininst lost hope,
dealing with burried sorrow and finding unexpected joy) got me over most
of the tribulations of adolesence in a night or two.  
	It was not applicable to situations where there were long reaching
detrimental consquences, and I fully realize that I'm rather strange in that
such an attitude actually HELPED me (most of my friends looked at me rather
weird when I told them how I got over things so fast).  Hey, whatever
works right?

|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu |                -me      |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necronomicon and the Vow of Secrecy
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:28:15 GMT
	<83950148@otter.hpl.hp.com>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Colin:

Let's put the N-con to bed now.  Thank you.


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Flaming.
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:01:01 GMT


In article <memo.649628@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo 
Smith) writes:

>   I certainly did _not_ mean that I supported any particular ad hominem
>   that presumably started the thread. josh is particularly
>   controversial and harsh: That is his prerogative. Likewise Amanda is
>   perhaps the most sympathetic of the regular posters here.

interestingly, if you look at amanda's and my posts when we reply to the
same person (which happens with some frequency), hers are often much more
critical than mine. it's just that she's so nice and courteous (and the
person the posts directed at often so dense) that it just doesn't pen-
etrate as criticism. pity.

josh
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Letter from a sorcerer
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 12:54:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.220050.18006@samba.oit.unc.edu>
  <1992Sep30.202609.11358@samba.oit.unc.edu>

9210.01 e.v.


Shava writes a beautiful work explaining the ego, initiation and Abyss.
I loved it.  I saved it.  One question...


You mention that Vedanta and Buddhism help one to disempower the ego
so as to reveal the Self or Soul (my paraphrase).

Vedanta, fine.  How do you reconcile this with the doctrine of Anatman
in Buddhism?  Doesn't it conclude that essentially there IS NO Self, no
Soul?  I'll take my answer off the air.

Thyagi
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Necronomicon and the Vow of Secrecy
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:55:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.

wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta) writes: 

(BTW Colin : will you know the anti-christ if he decides to
put in an appearance??)

What do you mean "if"? 

Colin
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rcormac@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Subject: Re: Walking at night
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<BvGGD9.7L7@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:31:19 GMT
X-Posted-From: eniac.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hmm... I like walking after I finish Karate practices... At night I
find that I can see much better afterwards and feel much more part of
the world than when walking beforehand... And when practice is during
the day walking through the park afterwards is incredible, all the
colors seem about 2-3 times more vibrant than normal, actually all my
senses get amplified the same way... I attribute it to the meditative
mindset used during practice, plus the physical exertion that gets
plenty of blood flowing through the lungs to the brain (and rest of
the body of course)... Good simple physical magick... :) Hmm... was
about to say that walking in the day was nicer, but I think I'll just
end this rambling by saying that it is nice in a different way. :)
(Ramble ramble ramble... I need to sleep)
Blessed Be,
   Cormac
--
Retch The Grate aka Cormac Russell    Amiga, The Computer for The Creative Mind
                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!




Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Religion, Traditions and the History of Science
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:28:03 GMT

In article <lckjgvINN1dc@west.west.sun.com>, markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe) writes in part:
|> Good scientists think that Science can help us to understand
|> the Universe.  Bad scientists think that Science explains the
|> Universe.  The same is probably true of adepts in most other
|> world views.

Poor old dumb non-adepts like me fail to see the point of this 
distiction.  Besides the tenative nature of the phrase "help us 
to", I can't see that "understanding" and "explaining".  I'm
sure you meant something definite, but it eludes me.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky alt.magick:4949 alt.pagan:10237
From: key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:26:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin

In article <joshua.717745937@coombs> 
	joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:
>      "PRACTICE RANDOM VIOLENCE AND SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY"
>
>				PRACTICE
>			    RANDOM VIOLENCE
>				  AND
>		       SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY

i believe kindness and love are the greatest magicks.

i do not claim that love or kindness is 'pure' or 'noble'.  but
i claim they are better than the vitriolic parody josh geller
wrote.

from the wealth within we give gifts to the world.

peter li'ir key, who believes in the magick power of love
key@soda.berkeley.edu
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: 2nd Merlin Tarot Workshop
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:05:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.171847.5383@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
> 
>I went to the 2nd Tarot Workshop with RJ Stewart at his house
>in Bath.  It was nice.  I caught a real buzz.  Stewart didn't
>answer any of the questions that you sent me.  

Ha! Egotistical wimp.  Why can't he admit his mistakes?

>He also limited
>the range of questions that he was willing to answer this time.

I bet.

>Could it be that he doesn't have good answers for some of your 
>questions?

He probably doesn't want to admit that some of his work
is sloppy.  After all, he invented an entirely new tarot system
with new numbering, and symbols, but with all the editing 
problems of the lousy book there are important parts one cannot 
possibly interpret.   

I still like RJ's general approach, but he's lousy with detail.  
He needs a research and editing assistant to catch his 
mistakes  - why not volunteer, Chris?

- Peggy -
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: evil and "dualism"
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:03:42 GMT
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT


     The first letter of the bible indicates that satan was around long 
before god, silly! Try a good interlinear text, and you'll see!
 
              Sean Jeffers Mc Nair
        
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta)
Subject: Re: Answering a call
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19094]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:45:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151220.21261@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell) writes:
>
>If a person were to experience/feel a persistant call (summoning?), and 
>yet be unable to determine the source (or where one is being called to),
>what options are available.  (Ignoring the call has been tried.  There is
>a desire to answer, but an inability to do so.)
>
>craig
>
I have been called to several places many times, by many different things,
but one thing that was constant was the ease in finding the place I was being
called to.  If you really desire to answer the call, go out when you here the
call and just walk.  Feel the call and project a willingness to answer.  If
the call is truly meant for you, you will walk right to the place.  The thing
to remember is that, more than likely, what you expect to be there, won't.
It does take some open mindedness, and willingness to be led.

>-- 
>Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
>Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
>NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
>an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.

			-Enki

--
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: EVIL and "dualism"
Summary: Two by two, they rode, down into the valley of shadow
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:55:46 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <QemSX5O00WBME4YWcO@andrew.cmu.edu> kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) writes:
>Good vs. Evil.
>Light vs. Dark.
>Right Vs. Wrong.
>Human beings invented the binary counting system far earlier than they
>
>Whoever said that there were two sides to everything probably never saw
>a triangle before.  Which is not to say you should not consider the
>

There are Two kinds of People in the World:  

People who divide people into two kinds of people. ......

And people who don't. 


			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu

P.S.:  and gosh. .somehow I'd say "dualism" instead of "binary". .but hey. .
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: inner circle (and responsibility)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:46:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

9209.26 e.v. [champagne (wedding)]


I admit that I thought that everyone was a Secret Chief.
I resign my position as Secret Chief in consonance with my vow
of humility.  Good luck.   Sluuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrp.



Thyagi
-----------------------------------------------------k
I do not believe in demons.  I do not believe in devils.  
I only believe in You.  You I love.
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:52:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

maupt@warwick.ac.uk (Maupt the Ninja...) writes:


>how effective are aura goggles? can anyone use them without developing any
>form of sight to detect auras?
>-Ninja

Bran looks a bit incredulous...

I've never heard of such a thing, and I firmly believe that it is a fraud.
The ability to see auras has (IMO) nothing to do with light or any other aspect
of physical reality.  Auras are the mind's way of *translating* the psychic
input into relatively familiar terms.

Don't waste your time, and especially your money.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: 2nd Merlin Tarot Workshop
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:18:47 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


I went to the 2nd Tarot Workshop with RJ Stewart at his house
in Bath.  It was nice.  I caught a real buzz.  Stewart didn't
answer any of the questions that you sent me.  He also limited
the range of questions that he was willing to answer this time.
Could it be that he doesn't have good answers for some of your 
questions?

Anyways, there was lots of stuff which I'm sure *SOME* people
on good old alt.magick will respond to with snide remarks
in an attempt to prove their superior magickal knowledge.

There was lots of interesting stuff about the Empress card
and how the empress is married to the guardian.  The Guardian
is the superego or the suppressor of knowlege and wisdom and
the empress is the giver of knowledge and wisdom (I'm sure
Josh knew this years ago).  He also said that you can't
really benifit from the empress's gifts until you understand
the "taking powers."  I'm not really clear what this means.
Perhaps one of you can explain it in 10 pages or less.
He warned about ecstatic meditation.  He said that it is
a sign of early spiritual developement (someone like me).
You have to enter the dark night of the soul for the
buzz to leave, but it will give you a spiritual enlightening.

I sat next to some woman that had been at an equinox ritual
the previous midnight at a longburrow in Bristol.  Can 
anyone out there explain?

We did some visualizations on the moon, sun, stars, 
wheel of fortune - change in circumstances,
justice - a lawsuit,
judgement -you  lose it 
cards.  It was quite nice, and I was flying like a kite.

Then he told us some different ways to meditate on the cards.
I can post them if anyone is interested.

Chris

P.S. please pardon the cynicism.

p.p.s.  the next one is on Halloween.  We're going to have
a halloween party at his house that night.  It should be fun.
From: lance@circle.UUCP (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: TEst Message
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:53:35 GMT

This is a test message.
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<1992Sep29.194713.5493@linus.mitre.org>
	<1992Sep30.102801.26616@gdr.bath.ac.uk> <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:37:40 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) 
writes:

>   |>Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
>   |>in Crop Circles?

>   Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.

have they really? I thought that the two guys who confessed to doing
them also confessed that their first confession was bullshit. also, I
have heard that there are lots more of them than is logistically feasible
for two guys to have done.

have any appeared since these folks 'confession'? anyone know?

josh
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

> In article <8y8qbq75@csv.warwick.ac.uk> maupt@warwick.ac.uk (Maupt the 
> Ninja...) writes:
> 
> >   how effective are aura goggles? can anyone use them without developing an
> 
> what the fuck are you talking about?
> 
> josh

I imagine he's talking about dicyanin dye filters, invented by some 
british physician earlier this century, through which said physician 
claimed to see auras, diagnoze diseases, etc.

(I beleive my essential facts are correct, though I may be confusing the 
nationality of said physician, and it's possible I'm leaving out a 
syllable of the chemical's name...)

In any event, my experience with same is that they do not work, aside 
from creating an optical diffraction effect that might be useful as a 
source of 'placebo effect' that 'tricks' the user into making better use 
of their own 'astral vision' and intuition.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta)
Subject: Re: Walking at night
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:35:15 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-14553]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <BvGGD9.7L7@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>to walk at night (though I don't do it alone anymore).  Like you 
>said, walking with intent is the important thing.
>
>Anyone else do this regularly?
>
>>Carl Hommel
>>carlton@apollo.hp.com
>
>- Peggy -
I tend to walk at night regularly, mostly because the energy in nature is
so much easier to see, and feel than in the day. I usually walk through a 
park right next to campus that is full of vibrant life (many oak trees, lush
grass, lotsa squirrels, and a beautiful lake).  I try to feel the rightness
of nature and understand it's power while I'm out there,  I also go to
make me feel like I'm not wasting my time when I help people out.  Walking
at night is great.

			-Enki


--

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: qmi@access.digex.com (QMI)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Summary: Of course, LaVey DID have a point...
Organization: QMI, a division of Corometrics Medical Systems
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:27:34 GMT


Greetings, all.  I've been away for a while (due to a job change) and have
only just re-established my network access.   It's good to see that some
things remain constant - this group still argues over trivialities.

Meanwhile, I couldn't resist jumping in with both feet into *this* pile!

"Without Satan, there would be no Christ."  This quote is from a Catholic
bishop.  From a theological point of view, Christ's function is as the
savior - but there would be no need for a savior without something from
which to be saved!  Christians, ergo, need Satan, vindicating Mr. LaVey.

It's been 10 years or so since I read "The Satanic Bible", but most of what
I recall is that LaVey was theologically confused, but philosophically
not too unreasonable.  I especially liked the part about where he was the
organ player in a travelling carnival and played at the local church on
Sunday.  After seeing people party it up with the carnies on Saturday,
he'd se the same ones praying for forgiveness on Sunday.  Regardless of
LaVey's motives for creating the Church of Satan, you have to admit, there's
something wrong with this picture!

Scott
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:28:01 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

>In article <83950146@otter.hpl.hp.com> cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low) writes:
>>B.A. Davis-Howe writes:
>>
>>What about the U.K. contingent? Why not base the con in the spiritual
>>home of magick? We could offer the following tour attractions:
>

[stuff deleted]

Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
in Crop Circles?

Chris