HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Date: 28 Sep 1992 09:55:36 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

[Redirected from news.admin to news.admin.policy.  news.admin no longer
exists.]

In article <RoFRRB20w165w@mantis.co.uk>,
mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
> > mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> > > It causes UUCP systems using slow modems on noisy lines to waste ...
> >            ^ broken

Randy, you well know that huge UUCP files cause problems on most systems,
and I think that calling such systems broken is unduly harsh.  Few UUCP
implementations can restart from the middle of a file, and those that can,
do so via extensions to the protocol.

> No, not broken.  *All* UUCP systems on bad lines will handle large
> postings less well than they handle small ones.

All UUCP systems?  Even those that can restart from the middle of a file?

> Consider a 2400 baud UUCP site (there are plenty around still)
> collecting a 5MB article.  It has to keep its link working for over
> 4 hours.  If the line fails for some reason, it has to dial in again
> and start transferring the article again from the beginning.

You could get both ends of the link to upgrade to a UUCP implementation
that can continue from the middle of a partially transferred file.
For Unix systems, I suggest the latest version of Taylor-UUCP.

Alternatively, you could design and implement a different encapsulation
instead of rnews.  There is no law that each UUCP job must contain an
integral number of news articles.

> > If one limited the world to the lowest common denominator of broken
> > tools, we would still be using stone wheels.
> If you're saying that everyone using UUCP should just fuck off and
> disconnect from the net, might I ask who the hell you think you are?

Mathew, it seems to me that you have a tendency to take comments of the
form "if your tools are less capable than the tools used by many other
sites, then you will have problems, and you should either accept the
problems or fix the tools" and misinterpret them as "if your tools are
less capable than the tools used by many other sites, then you should
disconnect from the net".  Now, if anybody had actually told you to get
off the net, then you would be right to be annoyed, but I do not think
that that is the situation here.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Posting filter for feed sites - whack undesirable postings befor
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:48:53 EDT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
> >	head -20 $i|grep 'He_Needs_To_Be_Censored' >/dev/null 2>&1

Gag.. Barf... Spew... Well, after the last three thousand mutlus, I think
I need a Maalox....

> 	HITS="`sed -n '/^$/q;/He_Needs_To_Be_Censored/p' $i`"
> 	if [ -z "$HITS" ]
> 	then
> 		echo $i >>out.going/$1/togo
> 	fi

Much better, as this is one case even *I* don't want your bit-garbage!

Please be kind to your local dev-null, because he is, after all, a nice guy--
taking all the garbage, putting it in the bit-bucket, and never talking back.
Until now.  Thanks to postmaster@lorc.UUCP for providing me, the much overused
null device, with an outlet.  I will not spew often, but cankerous rhetoric
spewing falshoods about me will receive an appropriate response.  What might
that be, pray tell?  A bit-belch.

<<<<BELCH>>>>

dev-null@lorc.UUCP (*THE* NULL device)


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From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: AmeriCast.COM campaign92 groups
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:34:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <Zr3-d_#@engin.umich.edu> Lewis W Kellum writes:

-->  I apologize if this has been asked before. Has anyone out their 
-->  recieved the nptn.campaign92 groups? Are they legit? ...

  I think I'm *almost* going to get them soon.  (;  We've been playing mail-
tag and they said that they're swamped, but a few more shots should do it.

-- 
p'ch'zarni'chiwkov:  the nasty little sound of a sword being unsheathed right
behind one at just the point when one thought one had disposed of one's enemies.
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin
From: doc@magna.com (Matthew J. D'Errico)
Subject: Re: Forged postings
Organization: Magna Software Corporation
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.211327.8053@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>GCOS? Did someone port news/mail to GCOS? Am I dreaming? Hello? Hello?
>
>bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
>
>(My first bout with GCOS was on a Honeywell mainframe running Multics
>emulating GCOS, developing ALGOL software. Then we did some GPSS...)

FYI, There are GCOS to Internet gateways available...  And G&R, the Makers
of Glink and GlinkW, also have a mail product (GMail) which will read both
GCOS mail and Internet mail simultaneously...

-- Doc

(no, not *the* "doc" mentioned in the first post)...
From: ken@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Ken Sallenger)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: MAPS! (was Re: Clinton/Gore organization is on the net)
Keywords: Usenet global news network maps location?
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:01:47 GMT
Reply-To: ken@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia

In <1992Sep29.043316.29655@fullfeed.fullfeed.com> lampman@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Ray Lampman) writes:

=>In article <ww+1Hd+q?9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
=># In article <1992Sep28.075316.17629@fullfeed.fullfeed.com> Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com writes:
=># >
=># >Please, direct me to these "Usenet maps", at once!
=># 
=># news.lists.ps-maps

Dave (probably) meant to say,
	comp.mail.maps

which contains pathalias data for registered UUCP sites.

The PS maps are largely based on this data.

			Ken (a.k.a. usenet@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu)
-- 
       Ken Sallenger / ken@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu / 803 777-9335
     Computer Services Division / Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:29:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BvB50F.JIA
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep27.092816.21637@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:

>>because it's lost in the
>>noise -- but it's still there.

>If it is "lost in the noise", then why quantify the cost of an abberant
>poster and use that quantification to justify various forms of reproach?

Well, I personally wasn't suggesting that in the first place.  I only
got in on the "does Usenet cost" part.  :-)

But what I think is, just because an individual thing is lost in the
noise does not mean it isn't important.  If I go out to lunch, the
individual $4 (say) extra this costs me (over bringing a lunch) is
lost in the noise of my expenses.  Yet if costs me $2/day to bring
lunch and $6/day to go out, then going out every day costs me $1000
more a year than carrying my lunch, which is significant.  I think
everybody realizes that pound-wise, penny-foolish can be just as bad,
for an individual or an organization, as penny-wise, pound-foolish.
Ideally, you want to reduce both the small costs and the large ones
where you can.  (This may mean that I should not be spending those
thousands of dollars just to post my humble opinions to the net...)

This is not to say that I'm sure that reproaching people for stupid
cross posts helps.  I am sure I'll be putting in a kill file entry
for a certain news.admin cross-poster whose posts I don't care to
read in news.admin.

	Cathy

(p.s.  Please let's all do the net a favor by not trying to argue or
extend the lunch analogy.  Usenet is nothing like lunch.  The most
useless flamewars there are start when an analogy is taken too far.
My only point with the lunch thing was that the little expenses add up.)
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.video.satellite,misc.forsale.computers,biz.comp.services
From: umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson)
Subject: Re: Usenet News via Satellite
Keywords: Usenet Satellite 9600bps
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:39:00 GMT

In <BvAzs3.IrD@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>What happens if you only get 30 sites signed up?   How long can 
>you afford to provide a uplink with only 30 subscribers?  Will
>you refund the monies received?

>One can purchase the hardware for less than $1000 (wholesale) --
>your price is quite high -- how much for subscription after the 
>initial feed expires?

What type of security does the company have from people stealing their
feed?  Do they have a remote method to disable someone who no longer
wishes to subscribe?   

If there's no security, I imagine people are just going to set up their
own dish for what appears to be half the cost of the official one, then
use the official software that the company has so nicely placed the source
code for in the public domain!

Charles



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From: jeanpaul@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (J.P.M. van der Jagt)
Subject: Cnews: annoying crosspostings in local groups. How to fix?
Originator: jeanpaul@dutecad.et.tudelft.nl
Keywords: Cnews, crosspostings, general
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 00:21:17 GMT

Hi All,

Often an article is posted in a group with a crossposting in local group
"general". Every site has its own general group which has usually the
function of containing local messages.
However when such a crossposted article arrives at another Cnews site, it
is linked in the group is was posted in *and* in "general", which is also
present (of course). This article in general that results from that, usually
does not belong in that local general.
Example:
Posting in rec.bicycles.misc and crossposted in general at site A.
"Who stole my bike?"
Posting received at site B, is linked into rec.bicycles.misc and general at
site B. Usually no one at site B is interested in the stolen bike of someone
at site A.

Question: How can I get Cnews *not* to link incoming articles into general,
but only locally posted articles.

Please reply via email.
Thank You.
Regards, John-Paul
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[] Email: jeanpaul@duteca.et.tudelft.nl [] Phone: 31-15-781366 [] unix unix []
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: who pays for usenet
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:20:23 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Sep25.035516.621@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>Not always. Without getting into the specifics of how a particular
>organization works, I'd assume that there is a seperate budget for 
>people (human resources), a separate one for maintenance (restrooms,
>facilities), and yet another one for computing facilities. 

Now this is a specious argument.  "Separate budget" is a matter
of paperwork organization.  The money in the end all comes from
the same place, whatever income the company have whether it be
profit or investment.  And if it goes out to one "budget" it cannot
be going to another.


		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulogic.305
Organization: negligable

In article <BvAz89.Cop@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <7441@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.151349.1962@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
>>>mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>>>> It causes UUCP systems using slow modems on noisy lines to waste ...
>>>           ^ broken
>>            ^ standard
>             ^ standard broken?
              ^ exactly.

  enforce standards.


		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@uLogic.COM

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"Ideas are not responsible for the people who believe them."
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: preventing articles from expiring
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.181437.18855@schbbs.mot.com> mshah@next3.corp.mot.com writes:
>We have a news group that carries some standards which do not change
>frequently. They are set to expire in 365 days. Is there a way to 
>get around this and prevent this articles from expiring after the 
>set period of 365 days which is the max. allowable limit for the version of  
>news we are running. This way we will be  releived from the burden of 
>re-posting them.
>     Thanks in advance.
>
>-Manish Shah
> mshah@next3.corp.mot.com

Well, I am pretty new to *nix based systems, but why don't
you just let them expire and set up a cron job to repost the
articles from your archives once a year?

If this won't work, please let me know why.  It might save
me some time trying to do something similar later on!  :-)

Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.video.satellite,misc.forsale.computers,biz.comp.services
From: bryan@edgar.mn.org (Bryan Halvorson)
Subject: Re: Usenet News via Satellite
Organization: Electronics 101. Apple Valley, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.173340.17482@ssc.com> markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
>
>Remember that it's a narrow band system so comparing the price to 
>a wide band video system that's made in hundreds of thousands of 
>units is an underestimate.  It would be more like cost of wideband 
>system + cost of SCPC + cost of modem.  ( + bundled cost of service.)
>
One of the things that the company I work for does is background music.
They sell a DBS music system for $659. It includes a 36 inch dish, a 1.6
db LNB, and an audio only receiver. They're currently buying everything
from the music service at very inflated prices, I think that the price
could be lowered $75-$100 if they shopped around for the dishes and
LNBs.

ISS is using a smaller dish and a lower temperature LNB but that
wouldn't increase the price more than $150.

The only thing left is the modem. I don't know what modulation method
ISS is using, but I don't think that even an addressable modem would
cost over $500. They don't have to do all the fancy stuff that phone
line modems have to do to fit the data thru less than 3khz of audio
bandwith.


It looks to me like there is ALOT of profit in the prices they are
asking. And they are saying that that profit may only cover the monthly
fees for a year without giving us even a ballpark figure of what kind of
monthly fees they might be requiring after that.

Maybe I'm spoiled, in Minnesota the price of getting a full feed is
being willing to and capable of giving two other people full feeds, but
this sounds like it could end up costing an average of a few hundred a
month even if you spread the costs out over a few years.


-- 
Bryan Halvorson                bryan@edgar.mn.org
N0BUU                          bryan@n0buu.ampr.org
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:38:11 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep26.151349.1962@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
>mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>> It causes UUCP systems using slow modems on noisy lines to waste ...
>           ^ broken
            ^ standard
>Fix the broken software.  Adhere to and enforce standards.

Standard uucp acts as Mathew describes.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: TESTING
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:54:04 PDT
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <2.171.uupcb@philabs.philips.com> (news.admin), john.fix%hardgood@philabs.philips.com (John Fix) writes:
> Testing
>                                                                                                                         
> 
Works!

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Date: 26 Sep 1992 15:09:17 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Who pays for USENET?  I pay for USENET.

Every month I get a bill in the mail it says

	USENET		$4,000,000,000.00
	Mi. sales tax	$  160,000,000.00
	---------------------------------
	Total		$4,160,000,000.00

	Terms: NET 30

I write out a check, put it in the enclosed envelope, mail it off to the
address it says, and hope that it arrives before the end of the next month.

Oh, by the way, bad news this month - I also pay for Prodigy, and this
month the rates went up, so it looks like I'll be late on my Usenet bill. 
Last time this happened they were not too pleased and shut off service -
let's see if the credit rating is good enough this time that I can string
them along.  If they won't take it it'll be the death of the net as we
know it.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for non-revenue generating products
            Msen Inc. // 628 Brooks  // Ann Arbor MI  48103 
     emv@msen.com  // voice +1 313 998 4562 // fax +1 313 998 4563
     North-Honey Thesis:  Usenet is a slow-moving parody of itself
From: billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Summary: We all just want to tell you...
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:01:31 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Edward Vielmetti writes...
>Who pays for USENET?  I pay for USENET.
Thanks!
Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.video.satellite,misc.forsale.computers,biz.comp.services
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Usenet News via Satellite
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:57:15 GMT
Keywords: Usenet Satellite 9600bps

len@netsys.netsys.com (Len Rose) writes:

> The system consists of a 45 cm dish,small receiver, and modem....
.....
> will be increasing the price to 2100.00 within 30 days. 

Sounds awfully expensive for what appears to be a KU-band system. Similar
setups have been running about $500 (less the "modem").

MD
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: tdphette@mke.ab.com (Thad Phetteplace x4461)
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Organization: Allen-Bradley Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:25:45 GMT

gelly@persoft.com (Mitch Gelly) writes:
: 
: No he's joking. He only pays about 1.5 billion out of that figure, *I* pay
: the other 2.5 billion. You feel like chipping in?
: 
: Mitch
: 
Fess up Mitch.  I've seen your pay check.  You can't be paying more than 1.7
billion.  Or did they up the limit on your MasterCard? 
--
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Network Support Specialist, Allen-Bradley Co.
Phone: (414)382-4461
Email: tdphette@mke.ab.com

The opinions expressed here are entirely my own and not that of my employer...
I am not a slob, I am simply doing an experiment in domestic entropy!
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:52:13 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <BvB50F.JIA@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>	Cathy
>
>(p.s.  Please let's all do the net a favor by not trying to argue or
>extend the lunch analogy.  Usenet is nothing like lunch.  The most
>useless flamewars there are start when an analogy is taken too far.
>My only point with the lunch thing was that the little expenses add up.)

Sorry, Cathy -- but this had to be said:

	There is no such thing as a free lunch.



		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: C news: annoying crosspostings in local groups. How to fix?
Keywords: C news, crosspostings, general
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:13:09 GMT

J.P.M. van der Jagt:
>Question: How can I get Cnews *not* to link incoming articles into general,
>but only locally posted articles.

You can't.  The only good solution is to rename your general group to
something like tudelft.general or tudelft.et.general, which at least
reduces the likelihood of random trash from outside being mistaken for
locally-originated articles.
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