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From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:53:48 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

In article <1992Aug13.202637.4912@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>
>>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>>think the worst is?
>
>While I agree that the above rule is dumbdumbdumb ("Yes, you paid for the
>ticket to see your team win, yes you are paying my salary, but if you yell
>too much well penalize yer team"), my least favorite is:
>
>No 2 point conversion.

  I agree that crowd noise is dumb, 2 point conversions would add excitement.
  The rule I miss is not being able to advance a fumble by the offense.
  I've only ever seen 1 team abuse that rule and I watched that game.  It
  was very exciting and increadably lucky.  I mean if the damn ball was 
  round then sure, everyone would try it, but the ball isn't round and it
  bounces very unpredictably.  

  I'm not even a Raiders fan.

  I also don't like the contiously running clock except for the last 5 minutes.
  That was just a bullshit rule thrown in, in an attempt to save the 
  dumbest rule of all time, Instant Replay.  It's completely amazing how
  much more enjoyable the NFL is to watch now that IR is gone.  No big
  delay's, no loss of momentum, the whistle blows and that's that.  Plus
  I have yet to see any of those damn, "The play was ruled dead on the
  field", but replay found reason to object... 

  I've seen a couple of calls already in preseason that would have probably
  been over turned.  One was a sideline completion, the other a fumble call
  which occured after the player came in contact with the ground.  The
  fumble even went against the team I was routing for but I thought the
  game was better for it.  Sure a team get's screwed on a bad call, and
  the other team gets a bit of momentum to boot, but the team that got
  screwed often times gets the momentum back because they are pissed about
  getting screwed.  It all works out in the end.

  Curt
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
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Subject: Re: EAGLES trade?
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:53:24 GMT
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In article 4296@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.161323.17177@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni) writes:
>
>As for the Fridge, talks between the Eagles and Bears are at a standstill.
>
Actually,  the Bears & Eagles have agreed (3rd round choice,  possible upgrade
to a second),  however the Eagles aren't stupid enough to sign the contract
Perry wants (no weight clause).  

The trade mentioned earlier (Noonan from the Cowpokes) would be a good one,
but interdivision never get made.  Teams are afraid of making opponents 
stroger.



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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:22:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

>Lewis Billups was responsible for the only Packer score.  He 
>intercepted a Nagle pass and returned it for a TD.  But it was Billups 
>that was beat on the Jets long TD pass I mentioned and he also was 
>called for pass interference.
>
  Hmm, not really that important, but I believe it was Holmes, #44
  who was burned badly on that TD pass. I may be mistaken tho. But
  I'm pretty sure it was Holmes.


							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS 92!
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From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:00:28 GMT

>What I think the Bears need:
>
>1) 1 or 2 OL 
>2) A solid DL to pair up w/ McMichael
>3) Speed at receiver
>4) A clue for Ditka about how to run a passing attack.  They
>    did fine with the ball control passing game early last year.
>5) SPECIAL TEAMS WORK!  Kickoff & punt coverage sucks !!!!!!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

Yes, YES, YES, DAMMIT!!! (Exclamation mine!) But don't get me
started.

Matt
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From: gjnelson@ee.umn.edu (Grad student Greg Nelson)
Subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
Organization: Electrical Engineering, U of MN, Mpls.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:45:25 GMT

It's pretty easy to win a preseason game when the other team never
plays its first team.  Salisbury's not good enough to keep the
top spot, so it's going to be Rich "It's your fault" Gannon again.
This team looks like the worst since 1984 & Les Steckel.
A quote heard at last year's Vikes-Bucs game:  "Today is employee
appreciation day. Everyone got their tickets from their boss."

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From: asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX)
Subject: Fri/Sat Results
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:59:57 GMT

49ERS    20    Rams    14
Oilers   33    Saints   3
Redskins 27    Raiders 23
Patriots 9     Lions   42
Colts    0     Bengals 20  <---!!! Now this I was NOT expecting !!!!!!

							JonaX
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From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb)
Subject: Stupid rules
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:13:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

	1) The anti-celebration rule. Making NFL stand for the No Fun League

	2) No 2-pt conversions. Adds variety and excitement

	3) In the grasp. Stupid stupid stupid. Even in the watered down form.

	4) Instant Replay. It got 86'd for this year, but it'll be back.

	5) No offense gain on a fumble unless the fumbling player recovers
	   the fumble himself. Another nifty play that added excitement and
	   variety.

	6) The fair catch. Are they men or mice? Catch the ball and take the 
	   hit, or don't catch it and let it roll deeper into your territory.

	Hmmmm. I think that's all that actually affect the game...

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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas Q & A :  Part II
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:12:06 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug12.212703.16567@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Q: How about the defensive holdouts?
>Norton is losing his job
>in a hurry.  Although Myles and Edwards have been having a slow camp,
>both are blessed with an incredible amount of talent and speed, and
>they will become proficient soon enough.  If nothing else they will
>get good enough to warrant further study.  Norton has had good games
>in the past, but his attitude is one sure way to send him along with
>the likes of Highsmith and Solomon.

One note -- there was a rumor on the news last night that Norton reported
to training camp on Wednesday.  It was a one-liner, so there were no
details (and I missed it on the live broadcast -- had to stay up till 1:30
to find out WHO had come in), and I don't even know where the station got
the information.  One of the other stations reported it as well, though,
so that makes it much more likely to be true.

Daniel Welch
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Predictions 
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:56:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.230400.4168@col.hp.com> mw@col.hp.com (Mike Waughn) writes:
>    For me, the NFC Central looks like this:
>    
>    Detroit/Chicago         Only two teams in the division with the same
>    Chicago/Detroit         head coaches as last year.
>
>    Green Bay               Best talent of bottom 3
>    Minnesota               Fifth place schedule helped them (2xPhoenix, Indy)
>    Tampa Bay               This team has almost zero offense last year
     ^^^^^^^^^                         ^^^

Tampa Bay HAD almost zero offense last year.  Coach Wyche is successfully
bringing his no-huddle offense to Tampa.  The marriage of that, and Floyd
Peter's 43 defense,  shows promise.   Coach Wyche renewed his old rivalry
with long-time nemesis, Jerry Glanville, Saturday night as Atlanta was in
town to play the Buccaneers.  After the 40-28 Buccaneer victory, a number
of the Falcons defensive guys were talking about the no-huddle. Glanville
said  "It's not a mystery, it's just the Cincinnati offense." Believe me,
we'll take it!   ;-)
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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.002014.14844@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
>
>I was wondering wher some of the greats were? I mean, I realize several
>are in the Hall of Fame (many are, actually, but I mean several of the
>ones I will list), but what happened to all of them?
>
>For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
>			      Steve Bartkowski?
>			      Ed "Too Tall" Jones?
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He had a couple of lackluster professional fights and went back to playing
pro football, I hear.  Then he retired.  

Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:15:36 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Aug14.132620.11289@fang.att.com> bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer) writes:
>> 
>> Wrong.  There is one thing more frustrating than that: replays slowing the
>> game down and having no effect.  
>> 
>I, too, am glad it's gone.  The first year IR was in effect hardly any calls
>were reversed which indicated the refs were doing a good job.  In the 
>years that followed the refs began to rely on IR more.  IR also lengthened
>games from the usual 3-3:15 hour range to 3:30.  The NFL changed the rules
>to shorten games (don't stop the clock when the ball goes out of bounds)
>which when combined with IR and a :45 play clock resulted in less plays and
>more standing around with their thumbs up their asses.  I'm glad IR is gone
>and I wish the NFL would go back to the way it was in '85 (no IR, :30
>play clock, clock stops when the ball goes out of bounds, etc).
>
>Brendan Dwyer

So those "let's speed this thing up a little" rules that were a result
of IR are still in effect now that IR is history?!


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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs Broncos Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:58:16 GMT

Can any Bronco fans out there in Denver land tell me why Sammie Smith
did not play against the Dolphins in Berlin? I only saw portions of
the game, and did not hear the announcers make any mention of him.

Peter Brown
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Subject: Rypien Signs
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:11:18 GMT


The subject pretty much says it all.  He signed a contract for around $3
million per year for either three or four years.

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From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rice to holdout for the year? (So sez Eddi
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:14:01 GMT
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In article 16paq2INNqe1@agate.berkeley.edu, rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes:
>According to SF Chronicle's major fart Ira Miller, Eddie DeBartolo says
>he does not believe that the Niners will sign Jerry Rice and he (E.D.)
>does not think that Rice will play for the Niners this year. "I do
>not think he will be in a 49ers uniform this year", DeBartolo was
>quoted as saying. However, according to E.D., Niner president Policy
>does not agree with that assessment. The two sides are reportedly
>$ 1.5 million per year apart. 

I expect the owners to fold & start signing a lot of these players.  With 
the lack of a contract (there can be no draft next year) and the anti-trust
suit,  there will be free agency for players who have ~ 6 years in the league.
The Redskins are telling Desmond Howard they are LOWERING his offer.  Don't
bet on it.  They cannot afford to let the 6th player in the draft go back 
to next year's (if there is one) draft.  


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From: vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:09:02 GMT

In <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:

>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>think the worst is?

The one that allows Cleveland to wear those disgusting brown shirts :-)

Peter Vamplew
#43 - Australian Kookaburras Gridiron Team 8th World tour
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cliff Odom signs with Dolphins
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:18:17 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

According to ESPN last night, Cliff Odom has signed with Dolphins for
$1.2 million dollars over 2 years.  

That leave Tony Paige and David Griggs still unsigned.

In other news, the Dolphin Digest reported this week that Ferrell
Edmunds underwent arthoscopic knee surgery and will be out for at
least four weeks, possibly missing the first two regular season games.

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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Bears news and notes
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:00:08 GMT

(Christopher P. Riff) writes:

 Misinformation abounds...

*The following is taken from this weeks issue of the Bear Report.

*Chris Zorich took karate leasons in the off-season to improve his
*quickness and has also bulked up to 180lbs.  Bear coaches have been
*impressed with Zorich so far this training camp.

 I believe that is supposed to be 280lbs.


*Shaun Gayle suffered a fractured arthiritic bone spur in his right hip.
*He is expected to be out 3-5 weeks, and could be back in time for the
*season opener Sept. 6. 

 He was back practicing this past week.
 

*After Monday's 34-31 loss to New Orleans, it's back to Plattevill 
*through August 13.

 No, the broke camp at Platteville last Saturday. The will spend
 the rest of the season back at Halas Hall in Lake Forest.


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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Elway's backup?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:36:16 GMT

In article <1684AAABF.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:
>In article <15280123@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
>keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>        Just read in the paper that the Broncos cut Steve Peuller.
>>        I realize he wasn't much, but what does that leave Denver
>>        with? Maddox and Moore(or Lee, whatever his name is)?
>>        With Elway getting on in years and more susceptible to
>>        injury, it seems a bit risky going without a veteran
>>        backup.
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
>It is risky, but barring a trade (unlikely), Moore will be the backup
>with Maddox third.  There are no other quarterbacks in camp.  Moore is
>basically a rookie, buy has played much better than Pelleur.  By all
>accounts, Pelleur simply stunk.  He fumbled numerous snaps from center,
>completed far less than half his passes, and often hung the receivers
>out to dry.  Rumor had it that the receivers had no confidence in him,
>and did not want him on the team.
> 
>Which is better?  An inexperienced QB who looks good, or an experienced
>QB who is bad?  I guess we'll find out if Elway gets hurt.
> 
>By the way, Elway's shoulder seems fine.  He has uncorked some
>on-the-money 65-yarders in camp.
> 
>Jim McMaster

Just my 2c again...to say that Moore is basically a rookie is not really
accurate.  I mean, Kubiak didn't play much more than Moore has, but no one
said we had a rookie backup with him on the team.  Moore was with the team
all last year and was on a world league team all summer.  True, he doesn't
have a lot of regular-season playing time, but neither did Kubiak.  Moore
has proved he does not play like a rookie.
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From: ravis@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Avis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/17/92
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:19:59 GMT
Reply-To: ravis@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Avis)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <23729@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
|> The Redskins lost to San Francisco 49ers yesterday, by the score of
|> 17-15.  The game was played at Wembley Stadium in London, England.
|> 
|> The game was only a preseason game, and there are three weeks to go
|> before the games mean anything.  The Redskins are 0-3 in the preseason
|> for the first time in 10 years.  The Redskins play against Los Angeles
|> Rams next Saturday at Los Angeles.
|> 
|> So far, the Redskins' first team defense hasn't allowed any point in
|> the preseason.  It was the second and third team defense that allowed
|> the points.
|> 
|> Joe Gibbs, knowing that the Redskins may face the 49ers in the playoffs
|> later this season, kept most of the offense under wraps, but there were
|> some brilliant moments.  However, the second and third team offensive
|> and defensive teams in the second half left a lot to be desired.
Sadly, the brilliant moments were few and far between.
|> 
|> "The second half was about as bad as I've seen us in a long time," Gibbs
|> said.  "That wasn't just the rookies in there, and we have reason to
|> be concerned."
|> 
Your damned right! And it wasn't just the second half, the Redskins offence
looked like a bunch of donkeys even in the first quarter - when Rypien was at
QB. Incidentally, having seen him in action `in the flesh' I still rate him as the 
luckiest donkey QB in the NFL - he still doesn't impress under pressure...

The score line was actually flattering - don't forget that Mike `I really don't want
this job' Cofer missed two field goals from easy range (mind you, one of the
snaps was rubbish). It was also the second most boring American Bowl we've
had (as the Cleveland - Philadelphia game was dismal).



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Subject: Re: Stupid rules
From: stick@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Stick,CommoSigop)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:46:23 EDT
Organization: Great White North/UPLink

In <866mrxf@lynx.unm.edu> jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb) writes:

>	1) The anti-celebration rule. Making NFL stand for the No Fun League

           Agreed, except for those cases where the celebration goes beyond
enthusiasm and becomes an "in your face" disgrace.

>	2) No 2-pt conversions. Adds variety and excitement
	   
	   Like the AL's DH.  Strategy is removed from the game, and what
are the coaches paid for in the first place?

>	3) In the grasp. Stupid stupid stupid. Even in the watered down form.

	   Fast whistles make this rule stupid.  There are many QB's
capable of getting a pass off while being wrestled to the ground.

>	4) Instant Replay. It got 86'd for this year, but it'll be back.

           Proved the refs were doing a much better job than orginally
believed, except in the eyes of Bob Trumpy.

>	5) No offense gain on a fumble unless the fumbling player recovers
>	   the fumble himself. Another nifty play that added excitement and
>	   variety.

           Too much of a judgement call to render an opinion.  Did the
fumbling player "help" the ball forward, or didn't he?  Not a  call I'd
want to make.

>	6) The fair catch. Are they men or mice? Catch the ball and take the 
>	   hit, or don't catch it and let it roll deeper into your territory.

           I gotta agree with this one.  A man, concentration on the
approaching football is a wide open target, and nine times out of ten the
hit is going to be in the chest area where, even with pads, he's likely to
suffer a rib injury, and those HURT.  There are those foolhardy individuals
who will take the hit, and they are spectacular, but the fact that the
player making the fair catch cannot advance the ball helps outweigh the
fact that he won't be tackled.  Besides, if he muffs it, he and the ball
are fair game.


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