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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Random modplayer?
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:12:19 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1992Nov12.135548.10925@ifi.uio.no> nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov12.074058.10881@cs.ruu.nl>, hpverwei@cs.ruu.nl (Dick Verweij) writes:
>> Is there a modplayer that can 'shuffle' play between mods. e.g. You give a
>> directory full of mods, and the player plays them in random order.
>> (like a CD-player)
>
>I believe DeliTracker can do it, but it really eats memory. IntuiTracker does
>it better :-) (of course, since I am coding the new version).
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>INCLUDE "disclaimer.i"                       Zrouoggathog
>Nils Corneliusen                             Cthulhu in '96!
>internet: nilsco@ifi.uio.no                  Hasoithshuna

EdPlayer can do this (and the interface even looks like a CD player). 
You choose a "program" of MODs using the file requester, and select the
random play switch (only on Edplayer 2.0 +).  This is my MOD player of
choice, at it supports all the Tracker formats and MED 3.21 format.  The
interface looks (and operates) similar to a CD player, and you also have
the option of showing a keyboard that shows the notes on the keybord as
the MODs play.  You can control the fade level at the end of a MOD, and
many other aspects.

I appologize for writing so much "useless" information, but my PNews
server does not allow me to post unless I wtie more than is quoted (and
I'm too darn lazy right now to delete a bunch of stuff above).

Anyway, EdPlayer 2.0 should be on many FTP sites (wuarchive comes to
mind), and the author is also the author of MegaBall (the PD Amiga
Arkinoid clone), and his Internet address is in the docs.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: Is Paula the same woman?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:53:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.144902.44593@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fuiodium@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>    It is my understanding that Commodore did not enhance Paula in the new
>>Amiga 4000.  Is this true?  I was hoping for at least 4 16-bit or 8
>>8-bit voices.

>   Yes, Paula in the A4000 is completely unimproved from the A1000, when it was
>called Portia.  Portia and Paula are exactly the same chip.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
As far as I know, in my 1000, I have Paula.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: norlin@crusader.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin)
Subject: Re: MODEDIT 3.0 now available
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:14:41 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:

>A friend of mine makes mods (yes, in
>tracker format) with ScreamTracker (and they sound pretty good too). 
>The only difference is MOD301 has Proteacker support.

I thought that ScreamTracker couldn't save in .MOD format, only load.
Or is he using an external conversion utility to convert .STM to .MOD
(such as Mark Cox's STM2MOD)?

Norman
From: ccongdon@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Roland D-5 editor/librarian anyone?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:01:26 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Does anyone know if there is a public domain patch editor/librarian for the
Roland D-5 on the nets anywhere?  An FTP address/location would be greatly
appreciated.  Source code for an editor/librarian I can modify would also do
just fine.

Also (alternately), has anyone found a commercial D-5 editor/librarian
other than the one sold by Sound Quest?
                        
	Thanks,
	Charles    (ccongdon@us.oracle.com)
From: sut@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Amiga & Roland
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:24:43 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

Is there any other Amiga and Roland users out there? I've just hacked my
first patch/tone editor together, after staring blankly at their edit
manual for days (Are they trying to put you off or what?) And I was just
wondering if there were any hidden tricks etc, like disabling active 
sensing during hand-shaking would be a start. I've got an Amiga 500,
with a Roland D5, I hope to put the stuff in the public domain at some
point.
 
Thanks for any info
calv
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: *** MIDI Software for the Amiga ***
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:27:47 -0800
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Nov10.170314.4764@emr1.emr.ca>, dostie@ccrs.emr.ca (M Dostie) writes:
> Ok, I've got the hardware but the software which comes with it is
> junk...so...what is a strong piece of MIDI software that I can get
> which will support my little ol' PSR-500 Yamaha and has a easy 
> musical editing feature???

Investigate the following packages for starters:
	DMCS 	- reasonable musical notation and not too bad for MIDI output.
		no real-time MIDI input
	Tiger Cub - good introductory sequencer
	KCS	  - high-end sequencer
	MusicX Jr - good intro 
	MusicX	  - closer to high-end but not as many editing features as KCS
	Bars & Pipes - good and close to high-end
	Bars & Pipes Pro - high-end sequencer
	MED 	  - freely-distributable.  
	Soundscape - obsolete.  buggy.
	Midi Recording Studio - obsolete
	Sonix - poor MIDI support

When you say "support" you are being a tad too vague. Exactly what do you want
to do with your keyboard?  What budget constraints are you working with?

I'm happy with KCS Level II form Dr.T.  Other people are happy with MusicX and
B&P.  In all three, the user interface varies greatly and it's largely a matter
of user preference.  Because of the large expense involved, you should try one
at a dealer before you buy (or try to locate CURRENT demo copies of each). 
There are old demo copies of all available - be forewarned that to base a
purchasing decision on these may not be fair since all of the product have
greatly improved in the last several years.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA     Office:  (604) 389-3430    Fax: (604) 389-3412
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: MODEDIT 3.0 now available
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:40:08 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <BxKr8n.8nn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> norlin@crusader.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin) writes:
>I thought that ScreamTracker couldn't save in .MOD format, only load.
>Or is he using an external conversion utility to convert .STM to .MOD
>(such as Mark Cox's STM2MOD)?
>
>Norman

All I know for SURE is that he prefers ScreamTracker for playing MODs,
he doesn't have an Amiga (or access to one), and he has written his own
MOD files in Tracker format.  I don't think he uses such a utility (
I'll ask him and post back ).  

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
From: Eric_H_Gieseke@fcircus.sat.tx.us (Eric H Gieseke)
Subject: Re: Looking for a stock of samples
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26b beta (Nov 06 1992)
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:56:36 CST
Organization: The Flying Circus Amiga BBX, San Antonio, Texas


I have a collection of IFF WaveSample DIsks I put together...10
disks,about 7 megs or so...packed with 75-150 samples per disk..
Orchestral,Pop,Techno,DJ effects,Dance and Amiga type Sample Volumes
I market them through mail order....but special arrangments could be
made if ya E-mail..
Lates!S.W.  *Amiga..everybody jump everybody jump everybody jump jump
               Jump Everybody Juuuummmmppp!
///\\\


*SideWinder the Camel Jockey Extrordinaire*
-- 
Eric_H_Gieseke@fcircus.sat.tx.us
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Problems with Sonix instruments
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:34:33 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

I am using Audition 4 to make sound samples into instruments for Sonix.
As you probably know, Audition has a provision to save samples as 1 3 or 5
octave Sonix instruments. They when I try to load some of these into the
Sonix instrument requestor, some will load and others will not. I can
get some of them to load if they have 3 octaves, but others will not load
at all. Also, some will only play the white keys of the scale, not the black.
keys. 

What am I doing wrong? I can't see a correlation to file size, does Sonix
have problems with certain sounds? I have a 500 with 2 meg and a hard drive. 
Is it that I'm out of chip ram? IF so, why doesn't it say so? WHat gives?
Could anybody with some expereince offer me some advice on the vagaries of
making Sonix instruments work?


And is that new version od Deluxe Music ever coming out? I like the idea of
MODs, but am totally baffled by MED. It's the wierdest interface I've ever
seen, and I can't make heads or tails out of it. Oh, and is there such a
thing as a converter between, say, sonix and med files?


Thanks in advance...

yours in confusion,

Queen of Swords
dleland@nmsu.edu
From: 2fuiodium@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Amiga 4000: Is Paula the same woman?
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:49:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

    It is my understanding that Commodore did not enhance Paula in the new
Amiga 4000.  Is this true?  I was hoping for at least 4 16-bit or 8
8-bit voices.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Random modplayer?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:46:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Is there a modplayer that can 'shuffle' play between mods. e.g. You give a
>directory full of mods, and the player plays them in random order.
>(like a CD-player)
>
>-- 
>DICK H.P. VERWEIJ
>

EdPlayer. Newest version: 2.1. A superlative piece of software. 

Harv
From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: band in a box
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:37:21 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I saw a demo on a Mac over the weekend of a music accompaniment
program called "band in a box". This routine takes a chord
progression as input, and generates a rhythm section for
practicing over. Is this available for Amiga ? Does anyone
know of other programs which are available for Amiga with
similar functions ?

Ed Stokes
ebstokes@crd.ge.com
From: julian@bridge.welly.gen.nz (Julian Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: What does Protracker do when...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:39:03 +1200
Reply-To: wright_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a

Hello everyone. Although I have read this group for quite a while now this
is my first posting to it, so please bear with me... :-)

I have an Archimedes, and amongst other things enjoy listening to mods
on it. However until recently the best mod player available for the Arc
implemented less than half of the available Protracker effects. Not to
mention some of the effects it did implement it did so incorrectly (eg.
treating effect 3xx as a simple unbounded slide up/down which stopped
even if the next effect was 300). So I decided to do something about it.

I now have a player that plays almost all effects correctly (as far as I
can tell). At least, Space Debris sounds a lot better than before... :-)
However there are still a couple of effects which have me stumped for the
moment. My questions are:

  - What is the difference between 4xy (Vibrato) and 7xy (Tremolo), and
    how do their parameters affect the effects?

  - What is the effect of the Glissando Control (E3x) on Tone Portamento
    (3xx/5xy)?

  - Effect EEx is described in the Protracker docs as "delay pattern x
    notes". Should this read "Break pattern after x notes"? If not, what
    effect does this effect have on the currently playing pattern?

  - What does EFx (Invert loop) do with the loop - play it backwards or
    something?

Thanks in advance...
    Cheers, Julian.

PS. Before I get swamped with requests for the mod file format, I got it
from the docs inside a copy of Amiga Protracker I FTPed from somewhere...

--
Beware of programmers bearing screwdrivers.
From: A.F.Savage@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Savage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Snap .Mod
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:29:24 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91698526@ccw310
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

-=> Thekid <=- (treisk@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU) wrote:
: The filename was : snap_the_power.lha  ...  Anyone know where I can get a good
: Copy of this?

ftp.brad.ac.uk in the /misc/mods directory.

Ade
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:40:45 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Looking for MODs by...

"Dr. Bully", author of mod.ResonanceII, and "uncle tom", author of mod.Crusade.
Two of my favorites and if there are any more by these guys I'm quite keen to
lay my hands on them. E-mail if you have any information.

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: groth@valerie.fmi.uni-passau.de (Peter Groth)
Subject: Re: *** MIDI Software for the Amiga ***
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.132747.1203@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:
> Investigate the following packages for starters:
> 	DMCS 	- reasonable musical notation and not too bad for MIDI output.
> 		no real-time MIDI input
> 	Tiger Cub - good introductory sequencer
> 	KCS	  - high-end sequencer
> 	MusicX Jr - good intro 
> 	MusicX	  - closer to high-end but not as many editing features as KCS
> 	Bars & Pipes - good and close to high-end
> 	Bars & Pipes Pro - high-end sequencer
> 	MED 	  - freely-distributable.  
> 	Soundscape - obsolete.  buggy.
> 	Midi Recording Studio - obsolete
> 	Sonix - poor MIDI support

You could also try PRO24 by Steinberg (they are famous for Twentyfour/Cubase/
MasterScore on the Atari).

> Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
> EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA     Office:  (604) 389-3430    Fax: (604) 389-3412

-Peter          (groth@peschl.fmi.uni-passau.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1992Nov11.164013.873@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:28:07 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Nov 92 16:40:13 -0400, dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) said:

> A 486DX2-66 (or any 486) machine has more raw CPU power than A3000 so in most
> cases it takes longer to do a thing with an A3000 than a 486 machine. And
Doug> Not necessarily.  The a3000 CPU has less work to do with the many coprocessors
Doug> aiding it.

You can use cards with coprocessors on a 486, and in most cases the
cpu power will compensate anyway. I agree there are some things you can 
do faster on A3000 than on 486, but if the aim is to do as many as
possible different things (that's what the original poster said) the
486 will win. 

> when you do things with a computer you have to type, use mouse etc.
Doug> For IO bound apps.

I guess you use telepathy to launch a program....

> software available for IBM PCs which means there is a more wide range of
> things to choose from. I'm quite sure that if there were 1000 skilled
> persons with good 486DX2-66 machines and with lots of right sowftware most
> of them would get more different things done in an hour than you.  
Doug> If those applications used the CPU rather than waiting on IO, but your argument
Doug> involves "type, use mouse."  

What I meant is that there must be "faster computer users" than the
original poster: they can type faster, launch programs faster etc. etc.
And if they have faster computers with good software most of them sure can
get more things done.

-Heikki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:39:28 GMT

In article <18919@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier) writes:

[Nothing...]
 
The Amiga could do with an equation editor and/or a graphical interface to
AmigaTeX.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:35:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>It has come to my attention that there are several persons who are reading
>this group on a regular basis, but who are not posting.  Several of these
>folks have sent me email regarding one subject or another, but most have
>never posted to .advocacy.  Why not?

Common sense, perhaps? <g>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: SegaCD drive outputs?
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:59:20 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov4.132045.1595@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>is there a port on the back of the Sega drive that could allow it to be
>used as a CD-ROM for a computer, i.e. Amiga. :)

   No.

>any chance of a SCSI port bristleing out of the back of that puppy?? 

   No.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                       Willy Beamish Development Team
All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu, BIX: ggiles           The election is over... Thank God!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:11:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.130417.19843@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>In article <BxEK70.7D3@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
>>My favorite speech was...
>>
>>"Another visitor.... stay a while... stay FOREVER!!"
>>
>>That was a cool game. :)
>
    __________
    |        V
>Mission Impossible, by Epyx.
    ^________|   ( - you're thinking of the old TV show )
    
It was my favourite on the C64 - nice arcade action, good graphics, brilliant
sound effects (including the clear speech), and some reasonably challenging
puzzle solving.  Supposedly, some people found the puzzles too hard, so they
cut back on that for the disappointing IM 2, which was released for the Amiga.

Amiga advocacy - I want to see a good, old-fashioned platform game for the
Amiga.  Something like Gods is brilliant, but I don't want to be running
around shooting things.  Then there's pretty good platforms like James Pond II,
or many, many others like it, that have gone in for excessive cuteness.  I
don't want cute, I want Impossible Mission, or preferably Jumpman as well.
Throw in a good version of Donkey Kong, and even Miner 2049er, and I'll be
happy.

Not that I'm a big games player, mind you.  It's because of that that I want
to see good, playable, platform games.  I don't like wearing out fire buttons
with shoot'em-ups (and I'm getting slow in my old age), and I don't want to
spend hours reading manuals so I can get engrossed in some huge RPG or combat
simulator like they have on PCs.  I'd like to play a quick game of something
fun from time to time, and I don't want to buy a console so that I can play
Super-Duper Mario Twins 5000 or whatever.  Is it too much to ask?  I'm almost
tempted to buy a C64 to play games on...

>The first talking one I had was Ghostbusters, which, of course, simply
>said "Ghostbusters!  Ah ha ha ha ha!"  I thought Ghostbuster's intro
>screen (playing the music with a bouncing ball going over the lyrics)
>was pretty awesome, at that time.

It was.  Quite impressive.  I used to think - let's see an Apple or a PC
do that!  I'd invite non-C64 users around to look at it - I was into
advocacy even then...  :-)


-- 
David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!  -- NOT!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:50:31 GMT

In article <69117@cup.portal.com> Bolt@cup.portal.com (Eric J Rainbolt) writes:
>Dear Fellow Amigan,
>
>I heard some frightful news from a friend of mine:
>
>heidi@zeus.c-engr2.siu.edu
>
>Over the weekend, she placed an order for an IBM clone.  Yuck!!!!!
>Aaaaaaaaaargggggg.   Puke!!!!!!!!  Barf City!!!!!!!
>(Do you know what I mean).
>
>She doesn't know much at all about computers, all she know is that
>she feels she should have one because she is in Electrical Engineering.
>
>I told her I was mad at myself for not showing off the power of the Amiga.
>
>I truly believe my A500 (designed in 1985 and running at 7.16 Mhz), totally
>blows away IBM pieces of shit running at 33Mhz.  {All my classmates seem
>to have IBM clones of some sort, and they do nothing but complain and send
>their motherboards in for new ones all the time;  and they also suffer
>from an inferiority complexes when I show off my Amiga}.
>
>I like Heidi, so I want her to be happy, and I feel it would be best
>if she cancelled her order and instead purchased an Amiga.
>
>You duty is to write her reasons why she would be better off and much
>happier with an Amiga computer.  She is buying an IBM because everybody
>else has one.  (Boy there are alot of stupid people who think they really
>know something.)
>
>i.e  "Hey, I know MS-DOS", one might say....
>
>     "Yeah, and I know how to tie my shoe, so what?" I usually reply. 
>
>We gotta be arrogant, after all we did make the more intelligent decision
>before; it's our right.  Please stop her from supporting crap
>engineering, and let her give the profit to the makers of the Amiga.

   What would she do with this Amiga?  Play games on it?  At least there is
engineering software available for IBM-compatible systems.

>EJR

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy