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From: g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Fatal Shark attack in NE Australia
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:00:52 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.cc.uwa.edu.au

In article <1992Oct2.160628.17709@ra.msstate.edu>, rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.090421.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au> g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:
>>Ive just heard on the Radio that there was a Shark attack in Queensland
>>Australia which resulted in a fatality of a surfer.
>>
>>I think people who say Shark hunters like Vic Hislop who hunt Great Whites
>>every year, are killers, should go and have a chat with that poor surfers
>>family. Sharks may be natural hunters but the ones which interfere with humans
>>should be hunted out and destroyed.
>>
>>A day which a fellow surfer dies from a shark attack is a very sad day.
>>
>>Bundy.
>>
> 
> It is a terrible tragedy to lose anyone to the ocean; much less a surfer.
> But the ocean happens to be the home of sharks.  Unrestrained destruction on
> a species is not the answer; nor will it make the passing of a friend any 

Hey BOB, Im talking about the the culling of Sharks which interfere with humans
not unrestrained destruction on a species.

> easier.  The shark population is currently under a severe attack by people
> who are misinformed about the importance of the shark in the sea's ecological
> balance.  Any time a person ventures out onto or into the sea they are taking
> a risk of never coming back; should we wipe out the jellyfish and man o'war
> population for every sting a surfer has gotten from one?  

Dont take me for a ride mate, Im not a 9 year old grommet with zits, I believe
that dangerous Sharks which present a risk to the human race should be killed
or relocated to another area the same way a grizzly bear would be moved away
from a country town. I dont think the senseless killing of Sharks is the right
approach but if those sharks just had a feeding frenzy on my home beach then
I would be the first one out there with a hook and wire trace.  

> Think about it.

I already have.

> Bob.

Bundy.

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: 10692568@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CARLOS LOPEZ)
Subject: Re: Fatal Shark attack in NE Australia
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:04:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.180052.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au> g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:
>From: g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
>Subject: Re: Fatal Shark attack in NE Australia
>Date: 5 Oct 92 18:00:52 +0800
>In article <1992Oct2.160628.17709@ra.msstate.edu>, rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct2.090421.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au> g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:
>>>Ive just heard on the Radio that there was a Shark attack in Queensland

>Dont take me for a ride mate, Im not a 9 year old grommet with zits, I believe
>that dangerous Sharks which present a risk to the human race should be killed
>or relocated to another area the same way a grizzly bear would be moved away
>from a country town. I dont think the senseless killing of Sharks is the right
>approach but if those sharks just had a feeding frenzy on my home beach then
>I would be the first one out there with a hook and wire trace.  
>
>> Think about it.
>
>I already have.
>
>> Bob.
>
>Bundy.

Bundy .. how many great blue whales have you seen hunting whailing boats , 
how many endangered animals do you see seeking the blood of humans 
responsible for deaths in their species.  My point is that , yes it is sad 
to see things like that happen but Humankind has this belief that they are 
the only creatures in this earth and everything should revolve 'round them 
as they wish.. its just not like that man...Things like that happen ..
everytime you get out there you know you are not in your domain so you take 
the risk many times you get away other times you live by the rules of the 
ocean...Look I know I'm gettin wanky and stuff but I feel sad about what 
happened dont get me wrong , perhaps because every surfer can see him /
herself in that situation.

no offence man but it is a pretty narrow view;

carlos :-)






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From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surf .gif Files
Date: 4 Oct 1992 23:03:30 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <1992Oct03.072430.10016@microsoft.com> johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake) writes:

Stuff about Surf gif files deleted..

>Hey Lud,
>
>Can you post those to alt.binaries.pictures.misc so we all can have some
>good surf pics for our screen savers.  If ya could that would be really
>cool and nice of you.
>

If I could I would ! :-(, unfortunately the powers have decided that
some of the other picture groups in that hierarchy would corrupt our
moral standards and have therefore denied us access to the whole lot.

All I can do is Email them, (or ftp ?) so drop me a line if you want
them.

Cheer's all, keep surfing,
Lud.
From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Sept alt.surfing stats
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:54:12 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

In article <1992Oct5.212523.6061@samba.oit.unc.edu> Danny.Clark@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Danny Clark) writes:
>We are now the 1218th most popular group on USENET' (we were 
>979 in Aug).  We were even behind alt.butt.harp. 
>

Awesome! How many groups are there? I think it would be nice if alt.surfing
was the very least popular group....Surfers don't like crowds!!

>I guess this can be explained by good surf,  (no time to post or read)
>and the warped minds of everybody else on Usenet.

No, I think it is simply good surf, surf, and more surf. The Fall season
has arrived! We are experiencing a hot Indian summer in the San Francisco
Bay Area,with great waves. 
Next week the Bud ASP tour is coming to town. 
Of course that means the waves will stop, so we're trying to use them up.

Nancy Jean Travis
=B-)  All wet....
>Danny
>
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surf .gif Files
Date: 2 Oct 1992 05:15:14 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <25771@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>Being that there are no real waves within 140 miles.......Does anyone
>have any .gif files of waves......or maybe some with Nigel in a compromising
>position to use as blackmail.....On another thought, the discussion

Yes, I have a few, even a couple of Nigel, but only on a wave, no
compromising shots :-(, I'll email them to you next week.

Cheer's, keep surfing,
Lud.

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Surf .gif Files
Organization: Quantum Reef Project (Big Island of Hawaii)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:21:38 GMT

kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) wrote:
>Being that there are no real waves within 140 miles.......Does anyone
>have any .gif files of waves......or maybe some with Nigel in a compromising
>position to use as blackmail.....On another thought, the discussion

I saw a picture once that was made in someone's living room. A board was placed
on the floor and a man and woman had assumed the position known as wheelbarrow
style. The picture was super-imposed onto a picture of Jeff Hackman at Hammonds
Reef. It was so real, even pro photogs couldn't tell. Maybe we could get one
of Nigel and do the same thing. If any of his Mates have pics send them to me
and I will see what I can do.
>
>   O                                     There are two kinds of people:
>   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833           People who surf, and
>   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil             People who don't.
>  /     David Taylor Model Basin         Some people just don't get it.
>   \___________________________
>			     \\

.....Bud

-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com
 The [Ford Foundation] is a large body of money completely surrounded by
 people who want some.
 		-- Dwight MacDonald
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Lud's .gif Files
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>They are now in alt.pictures.binary.misc!
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Look for Bells Beach, Winki-c and Winki-b

Sorry, that should read alt.binaries.pictures.misc

   O                                     There are two kinds of people:
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       The people who know alot, and
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         the people who want you to
  /     David Taylor Model Basin         think they know alot. The hard
   \___________________________          part is discerning the difference
			     \\          between the two.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Rail to Rail...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:18:48 GMT

Lud writes:

>Sure can, there's nothing like those clean straight swell's that wrap
>in there, it's almost like playing california games, it's so
>predictable, though it's usually a bit too fast to come back off the
>foam at Winki.
>The "straightness" and perfection of some of those classic swells has
>to be seen to be believed, though I guess every break gets them at
>some time or other.

I think the Bells area would be pretty unique in terms of corduroy 
perfection. I have seen it awesomely straight only to be informed by
a friend (Tim) that it gets straigher. Perhaps it is to do with the
long wrap up the great ocean coast coupled with the brisk offshores 
that evens up the swell so perfectly. Is 13th beach better on a 
more peaky swell: i.e. close out less ?

Wollongong is very rarely perfectly straight but I don't think 
that it effects the waves that much ??, although the best session 
I have had at Virgins was in a very straight swell. 

Jim
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: SHIT HAPPENS
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:46:14 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Bath, UK


Yeah, shit totally happens!!!  I was on the way back from
the Sugar concert in London (They kicked major ass) and the bearing
busted in my left front wheel.  Serious damage was done, and the car is
a write off.  Only one week before I was planning on heading
to France for a  major 20 day surfout.  Also, there's a 966 low
in the north atlantic which means serious swell action.  Not only
am I having to write the car off, but some great surfs as well.

@#!#$!(#))  *#$!#@#@ @^!I#T!!%!%!%

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Surf's up in NoCal, too!
Organization: Quantum Reef Project (Big Island of Hawaii)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:02:10 GMT

njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis) wrote:
>The new National Marine Preserve is picking up!
>Good stuff from San Francisco to Montara Sunday.
>Checked out Kelly's Cove, it was steady and not crowded,
>but I was feeling fickle and went south.
>Rockaway Beach was fairly empty and ruff.
>Pacifica was breaking all over, big crowds.
....

>Nancy Travis B-)

Careful Nancy: Rockaway Beach is Pacifica, I think you meant Pedro -:)

Pacifica is the new name for a region of California that remained rural
longer than most places like it that are located close to a Major City (SF).
A bunch of politicians got together and decided that if all the little towns
in the area ever wanted to be known on the map they should incorporate and
come up with a name. Hence they chose Pacifica (amazing how ninetyish that
sounds). People who grew up or have lived there more than a year hate the 
name. There is even a movement to unincorporate and return to names like
Rockaway Beach, Pedro Valley & Pedro Point. If you want to know why they
call one section of Pedro 'Wander Inn` let me know.

.....Bud



-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com

 Sex is the mathematics urge sublimated.
 		-- M. C. Reed.
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: suggestion for dealing with Oxnard locals.
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:54:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Sep26.021806.647@cs.uow.edu.au>, u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au writes:
> airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey) writes:
> 
> >  C.D. Burdoff (Dr. Burdoff, yet?) wrote of problems with Oxnard natives.
> 
> >  Try the technique used for the last few hundred years
> >  by explorers of European descent. 
> 
> >  When approached by critter(s) whose aggregate weight is more than
> >  your own, don't delay; toss some trinkets lovingly in their direction.
> 
> >  Little pieces of lead with shiny copper covers, say 9mm in diameter
> >  seem to work well for lots of people. Toss said trinkets at
> >  about 1200 feet per second. If the natives manage to catch these
> >  trinkets, they will probably forget about you for a while.
> 
> >  The drawback to this quaint custom is that tradition 
> >  dictates that you should leave quickly after delivering your 
> >  trinkets, and I typically want to stay and surf. 
> 
> Dare I say it but....Only in America ? ( Does seem to fit well)
> Why wait for the your problems to dissappear, when the solution
> may be at hand ?
> Buy a gun today...we have many specials to offer....
> I saw that in an American magazine advert for guns.
> It made me feel sick.
> 
> Nigel.
> -- 
> Life goes on...and on....

  sick it is. But ask the Australian Aborigines if they think it is 
  (or *was*, I guess, now that they are basically toast) "only in America".

  Don't forget Nigel, you share genes with people who have erased 
  many races and species from earth. Fact is, you are just a 
  good upbringing away from being a very virulent version of human.
  So don't get all high and holy with us savages, ok?

  I went up north to Ocean Beach, Kelly's Cove and Rockaway this morning.
  Didn't even get wet. Looked like a washing machine out there.
  I've seen pictures of it looking good up there, but never seen it 
  good with my own eyes.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Lud's .gif Files
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:07:58 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I just viewed the 3 .gif files Lud sent me......man-O-man some serious
waves....I'm in awe.....I'll try to post 'em to alt.pictures today....
....Lud, do we know anyone in the pic's?

   O                                     There are two kinds of people:
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       The people who know alot, and
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         the people who want you to
  /     David Taylor Model Basin         think they know alot. The hard
   \___________________________          part is discerning the difference
			     \\          between the two.
From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Pleasure Point
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:08:08 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov
Keywords: Surf

In article <1992Oct1.004921.8356@berlioz.nsc.com> () writes:
>Hi,
>    I'm a longboarder (9.0 Stewart) surfing at Pleasure Point (2nd Peak).
>How do I get a clean takeoff now that the shortboarders have started coming
>over from 1st Peak and Sewers. It takes me about 15 to 20 ft of paddling to
>get up to speed and they just drop right in.
>                                             Oliver 

I just bought a 9'6" Stewart (Hydro Hull)...What a sticky board!!!
I can't fall off it and it doesn't seem to take any paddling at all
to catch a wave. Just point and go. I bought it specially to surf
Pleasure Point and can't wait till Saturday.
I'm 5'7" and 130 lbs. Maybe you need to try a little longer board if you
have to paddle so far.
I was going to get a 7 or 8 foot board, but then I talked to the guys
at Santa Cruz'n, a longboards only shop, and they said 9' was really the
minimum for a longboard. I have to fight to get the thing out, but I 
prefer hard-out/easy-in to easy-out/hard-in.  

In any case, when they drop in on you, maintain your position. You have
the right of way and eventually they will get the message: its like
a motorcycle cutting in front of an 18-wheeler. 

See you in the line-up

Nancy Jean Travis
=B-)   All wet...
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Buying a longboard
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:48:27 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, none@nowhere (Ted Cox) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.182018.25474@samba.oit.unc.edu> Danny Clark,
>Danny.Clark@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>>  It is a late 60's Gordon&Smith 10 ft board.

>the prices are premium for the 10 footers. Used boards are hard to find
>vintage boards like the G&S your friend has hang on display with "Not for
>Sale" signs posted.  I will give your friend $100 for it. Don't think you
>have fun on it, either. You can catch small waves and go for long rides.
>=B-0  Go for it!!!

BUY IT NOW, before somebody else does. $50 bucks you can't lose.

   O                                     There are two kinds of people:
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       The people who know alot, and
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         the people who want you to
  /     David Taylor Model Basin         think they know alot. The hard
   \___________________________          part is discerning the difference
			     \\          between the two.
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: How to make a shark Repeller !!?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:56:31 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

jackson@cc.und.ac.za (Clive Jackson) writes:

>>And what about this gismo from South Africa known as shark repellent?
>>Everybody has heard about it?
>>
>>Emmanuel.

>As far as I know the device produces some form of electric field which 
>interferes with the Sharks nervous system. I have some contact with the guy 
>whose company is producing the device and once I've spoken to him I'll 
>post more details. The research into the product was initiated as a 
>result of the high Dolphin fatalities caused by conventional 
>offshore shark nets used at most of our warm water bathing beaches.

>I'll post more information in a week's time. 

Email me personally will ya.
I want to make one of these sharp repllers myself.
I wouldn't be able to afford to buy one so a bought one would be great.
I do Electrical Engineering,and I have a friend who has numerous electrical
stuff I can use (Mal).

Bye,
Nigel.
-- 
Life goes on...and on....
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Subject: Re: surfin OZ
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:29:11 GMT

iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis) writes:

>Hi does anyony know some good surfin beaches on the East Cosat of Oz. I
>have a friend from the UK who is about to come for a summer holiday here
>and I would appreciate some info on good beaches.

>thanks


>ian

The best thing to do is buy a surf atlas.
Lud usually carries a compass and reef topology reports with him.
Plus atlas,techno blah blah, and the ever present daily paper with synoptic
chart so he can analyse it to the bone.

I digress...

Mark Warren's surf atlas to Austalia is a book I have got.
I reccomend it.For between $12-$30 (sale price -  retail) it's a good buy.
Also it's got some great photo's of the spots.

But,name particular regions and I could refer to the ones I could reccomend.
The east coast is after-all about 3,000 km long or more.
Email me for that !!!
Nigel.
-- 
Life goes on...and on....
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Hurricane Update From Las Isles'
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:29:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Oct1.070339.1828@paradise.pegasus.com>, bud@paradise.pegasus.com writes:
> [..wave report, eastern shore deleted..]
> side/offshore for over a week now. I use feet because I know how to
> calculate wave height and hate the 1/1.5/double/triple overhead
> convention that most alt.surfers use. 

    What can we say? We're just inadequate haole mainlanders.

BTW according to the National
> Weather Service the average annual surf in Hawaii is 5 feet and more
> waves break on Hawaiian shores than anywhere else in the world. So with
> that info I would like to know how so may people who post here find so
> many double and triple overhead waves to ride anyway. Huuum !! Make you
> wonder doesn't it ??

    1 in 23 waves is twice the average height. 1 in 1000 is 3 times
    the average height. A 5 foot swell makes an overhead wave.
    I guess those pictures of california breaks such as the lane, 
    mavericks and lanuda bay with overhead conditions, as well as all
    the pictures of other Santa Cruz breaks hanging in the surf shop
    are clever forgeries.

    Thanks for setting me straight.

> 
> Many of my friends who live on Kauai had  damage to their homes that
> will require almost rebuilding the entire home. Some including my

    Sounds like a bad situation. Hopefully everybody will get the help
    and resources they need to rebuild.

> 
> Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com
>