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From: tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Darkman - Crap?
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:57:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1929@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>> Article <1992Apr06.005213.47381@datamark.co.nz> From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
>
>> In article <vbljftc@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>> >tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>
>> What I found was very similar to 'The Flash' in that it didn't grab my
>> attention in any way - and was just plain boring. About halfway
>> through the movie I realised what was 'wrong'. It was junk!
>
>> I like comic book style movies (I enjoyed Robocop for its comic book
>> style as well as its other side) but I prefer them to be done a whole
>> lot better.
>
>
>Funny you saay on the one hand that you like comic books movies
>done tight and on the other hand the Flash was boring.
>
>The Flash was done RIGHT by experienced comic and script author
>Howard Chatkyn.  It was moody enough to make you think of in as
>someplace else where normal laws don't apply, had in-jokes for
>comic fans "Infantino Street", and in general was as good as you
>will be able to get for the small screen.
>
>
>Flash would have done much better on another night rather than
>pairing off against the Simpsons & the Cosby Show.  It also
>had the problem of getting on its feet with the day/time changes
>and interuptions from news specials and CBS specials.
>
>Don't let the ratings fool you - this show was done right!
>-- 

Except they forgot to have a SCRIPT when they started shooting....

tk
From: bobhurt@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: NEWSIES (was promoted very poorly)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:58:31 GMT
Organization: Seattle

Ed Suranyi writes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I read in today's paper that this movie had a terrible opening weekend.
I had been hoping it would turn out to be both a critical and a
commericial success, because I too love musicals and wish they'd make
some good ones nowadays.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I heard about Newsies about three days before it opened, and the first thing
that struck me was that the title was a silly one.  Then I found out that it
was a Disney movie and I was surprised that they hadn't been promoting it.
Several days later I saw a TV promo for it, and it didn't appeal to me at all.
Unlike Ed I don't love musicals but I don't hate them, either.  All the promo
showed was little kids dancing ala Oliver Twist, with no mention about the
plot or anything.  I'll probably rent it when it comes out in another month
or so ( :> ), but nothing about it makes me want to see it in a theatre.  A
really bad job in the advertising department, in my opinion.

--Bob Hurt
  bobhurt@u.washington.edu
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: SOTL questions...
Date: 15 Apr 1992 22:43:34 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


h8dx082@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (The Executioner) writes:
}Not entirely true. In the book, Lecter did not go after Chilton immediately.
}He simply wrote Starling to let her know he would later be doing so. (In the
}movie, this was translated into a more suspensful phone call).

Not exactly (sorry for being picky here, but this is one of my favorite
bits in the book). 

True, he writes Claire to the effect that "I won't be paying you a visit".
However, he writes a separate note to Chilton that says something like "I
will shortly be paying you a visit.  I have a suggestion.  I recommend that
the nurses tattoo your feeding instructions on your forehead; it will save
everyone a lot of trouble."

Remember this next time you need a great threat...   ;)

BTW Lecter also wrote a nice note to Barney (his guard, who had a somewhat
more significant role in the book) sending him a large cash tip and
thanking him for being so considerate.

}It also goes on to explain that Lecter had long ago planned for his capture,
}during the time he was committing his crimes, and had thus also planned for
}his eventual escape (if indeed it did happen).
}Part of this 'plan' was an unspecified amount of money hidden in an area in
}the tropics I can't remeber being specified (the book's out on loan 
}...<sigh>).

As I recall it was somewhere in the eastern US (rural Maryland comes to
mind --wasn't he from Baltimore?)

Oh well; sounds like it's time to read the book again...

N
From: trudel@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ROSANNA ARQUETTE - movie list wanted
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:39:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

You forgot 

Mom and Dad Can't Hear Me (ABC AfterSchool Special)

I don't know why I remember that...
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Regarding Henry:Henry V vs Henry V: Shakespeare and Men's
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:54:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr9.011042.27900@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>Axiom (feel free to argue): Shakespeare was a poet first, a dramatist
>second.

Not even close to an axiom.  A highly debatable personal opinion of
yours.  All these "he was X first, Y second" are fairly pointless
anyway.  But to me (yes, personal opinion) Shakespeare's greatness lies
in the fact that his plays still "play" on the stage.  Damn near all of
them.  Yes, the poetry is great also.  (What about the plays that are
largely prose, like As You Like It?)  But even without it, he was one of
the greatest (maybe THE greatest) of dramatists.

>Result: Shakespeare's action is conveyed through LANGUAGE.  It 

Again:  possible, but by no means self-evident.

[Joan:]
> Old Will wasn't writing plays for "art's" sake, he was
>>writing plays to support himself and to entertain the general population.
>>If he were alive today he would probably be writing blockbuster films.  

>I get so tired of hearing this, Joan, for to me it demeans Shakespeare's
>accomplishment.  

Too bad.  For me, it increases it.  He wrote for a rough, populist
theater that cared exactly nothing about permanence or posterity.  And
yet he achieved immortality.  He was (and is) a supreme popular
entertainer (and yes, many other things as well).  To say so does not
demean his accomplishment, it makes it all the more awesome.  You may be
tired of hearing it, but that doesn't make it untrue.

>And if you knew the true abuse to which Hollywood screenwriters are
>subject, you'd know that the author of Lear would not put up with it for
>a second ("o reason not the need!").

Actually, it looks like he did have to put up with a certain amount of
it.  (See the textual studies of the evolution the plays underwent in
the performance system.)

Jon Alan Conrad
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: prabal@pons.cis.ohio-state.edu (Prabal Acharyya)
Subject: Re: Oscar Trivia Answers (60)
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:38:42 GMT

>2. Jodie Foster won her second best actress Oscar 3 years after
>    her first.  Three other actresses have done this:

a) Who are the Actors to receive two or more Oscars for "best Actor"
   award?  

b) Is there any Actor/Actress to receive Best Actor/Actress and
   Supporting Actor/Actress (obviously in different movies) in the
   same year?

Thanks,  I am soliciting answers, i.e. this is not a trivia but then
again :-)

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From: kranitz@mr.med.ge.com (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE)
Subject: Re: Who starred in 'Rabid'?
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: GE Medical Systems
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:58:19

Marilyn Chambers (I hope I spelled that right).
From: jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Point Break question
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:02:53 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>   I'd appreciate input on this question: why would Utah go skydiving with 
>Bodhi and his gang KNOWING they were the bank robbers and that they know that
>he is an FBI agent??

>   This is one thing I can't figure. Utah knows Bodhi and his pals are the ex-
>presidents because they showed up at the bank as he guessed. Bodhi and his gang
>obviously know that Utah is an FBI agent because he chased them! 

didn't they got his gf or something. Anyway, there were lots of other things
I didn't quite 'get'. Like, how did Utah learn to surf in one day? I mean,
even Bodhi (read: Buddha & Body) who happened to be the best surfer in the
whole wide world said Utah surfs very well. Another question. When Utah
first went to the local FBI agency, some guy there bragged how they use
computers to solve 'all' crimes. Yeah, sure. So Utah goes and picks 
randomly a beach where to surf and WHOA! he runs into the ex-presidents
right away. I mean, how many surfers are there in LA, 35000? And he just
happens to meet the right one. Third question. In the beginning of the
movie we're being told that Utah is the best gunman there is. But, when
he's chasing the ex-presidents after the bank robbery what happens?
Nothing, cause the kid suddenly forgets how to shoot. I mean he runs
10 feet after one of the ex-presidents thru most of the LA living rooms
(this scene must've been what 10 minutes long) but he doesn't fire his
gun. 
 And then, in the end, when Utah first robs a bank, escapes and then gets
his partner killed and lets the biggest criminal get away, what happens?
They fire him? Hell no, in fact, the bureau is so grateful that they're
willing to give him a free trip around the world, Hawaii, Australia.....
So finally he bumps into Bodhi again, you know the guy who caused all the
problems in the first place, and Utah lets him go. So Bodhi dives into
the waves only to return in the sequel........NOT!

All in all, it wasn't such a bad movie :-)

Juice
jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi
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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Darkman - Crap (YES!)? Not hardly!(If you say so)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:02:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.r0rj0_d
Organization: SynthMuzik Productions Ltd.:  The Danes Call It Quality

tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:

>It was the first Sam Raimi film I've seen - but I'd heard that he was
>good. (I have some friends who like horro movies and they though 'Evil
>Dead' was pretty damn good.)

Of Raimi's achievements, DARKMAN is perhaps the least impressive.  If you
want to be impressed, see EVIL DEAD 2.

>>	BTW, in an interview, Raimi said that he had to tone down his style
>>for this movie because of restrictions put on him by having a big budget.  
>>If he did not have these restrictions, who knows how wild the film would
>>have turned out?  
>
>I wish he hadn't toned his style down. Perhaps if he'd been allowed to
>do whatever he wanted the film might have turned out better...

Most *definitely*.  All throughout the film it felt like Raimi was being
held down and stifled.  Needless to say I was disappointed in DARKMAN,
after knowing what Raimi's capable of doing ...


===============================================================================
    :: :: :: :: ::     Synth          synth@dreamtime.unm.edu  Ask Me About My
 :: :: :: :: :: :: ::  (F. Oberheim)  synth@yenta.alb.nm.us    Psychopathology
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young sony worker
innocent hands build walkman
tears run down faces
	-- Damon Koronakos and Brian Roberts: HI-TECH HAIKUS
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Eroticism without nudity
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:48:58 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr8.113305.54297@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <32372@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su) writes:
>> 	My vote goes to `The Big Easy' in the scene where Ellen Barkin's
>> 	character was apprehensive about making out with Denis Quade's 
>> 	character, McSwayne, who proceed on giving her a nice rub down...
>
>	My vote goes to "Sea of Love' in the scene where Ellen Barkin
>was seducing Al Pacino.  I don't recall she being naked, but man, 
>what a turn on !!!!!

Seems to me like some of these folks have missed the point of
"Eroticism Without Nudity."

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: ppplee@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pete Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: What's Jennifer Connelly working on?
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:48:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: ppplee@coos.dartmouth.edu

Hi,
       With all this talk about Jennifer Connelly and her many virtues, I have
gotten to wondering just exactly what is this beautiful young actress working
on at the moment for film or TV.  I've recently seen her in the "I Drove All
Night" Roy Orbison video on MTV (great song, great video) and the most recent
film I've seen her in is The Rocketeer (now on video, and letterboxed LD).

       So, does anybody know and can tell me?  Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Pete
From: rmbandy@athena.mit.edu (Reba M Bandyopadhyay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Henry V
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:59:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr7.195926.2179
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I am very interested in finding any articles, interviews, or essays
about Kenneth Branagh's HENRY V.  Is there a net archive of the 
discussion of this film?  I missed any discussion that happened
the final week of March.  If anyone has any articles etc. that
they'd be willing to xerox or direct me to, please respond via 
email.  I'm also interested in finding things related to DEAD AGAIN
and Kenneth Branagh in general.  Yes, I've read his autobiography
and his essay on HENRY V in the collection PLAYERS OF SHAKESPEARE.
(A fascinating collection of essays by actors on a part they have
performed at the Royal Shakespeare Company.)  Incidentally, Branagh
clearly states his intentions and interpretation of Henry and his
concept of the play/movie in these two places, so anyone who is
interested in finding out what he *really* thought should look 
these books up (his autobiography is called BEGINNINGS, and it's 
incredibly funny and well-written).  Mr. Branagh is a remarkable 
talent, and I'd like to find out as much about him, his acting, 
and the critical response to his work (including any reviews, etc.
of his theatre/tv career before his season with the RSC).  If 
anyone can help me out, please respond via email.  Thanks in 
advance---

Cheerio!

Reba Bandyopadhyay
MIT Physics '93
rmbandy@athena.mit.edu
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: adam@eastern.COM (Adam Salter)
Subject: Re: Thunderheart & Crazy Horse Info (no spoilers)
Organization: Eastern's Public Access BBS, Toronto CAN
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:46:42 GMT

In a message Greg Bole said:
  
   >  Based on Leonard Peltior?

 It's PELTIER!!! 
 
  And I like ThunderHeart!!!

                                                       -Adam
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: CITY OF JOY
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:56:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <kusu6gINN1g9@aludra.usc.edu> jameskau@aludra.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:
>I just saw the movie CITY OF JOY, with Patrick Swayze and Pauline Collins.  I
>thought it was pretty good (*** out of ****.)  It dragged a little at times,
>but I though (IMHO) it was worth seeing.  ................
>Opinions, anyone?
>
Just in case:



	I thought it was great, and I am planning to go see it again.
	Patrick Swayze really surprised me - I thought he did a very 
	good job.  One thing I liked was that the cultural aspects
	were appropriate and not overdone, as they sometimes are in
	films set in foreign countries.  I also thought that the
	relationship between the people and the thugs was accurately
	portrayed.

	It may have been a little too upbeat for some, but hey,
	its only a movie.  Besides, life in the slums is not all
	dark and gloomy, and people do often manage to make the 
	best of the situation.

	annette
From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Beauty and the Beast Flames
Keywords: author=K.Johnson
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:47:26 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In our last discussion, someone sugessted that I was wrong that the prince
was not a child when the curse was cast upon him, but that time had stopped
while the castle was under the curse. That had me for a while, until I
thought of the rose and the nature of the curse. He had to find someone to
fall in love with before his 21st birthday. How could he ever reach his 21st
birthday if time had stopped? I maintain that an 11 year old child knows
very little of love. I think the windows opening scene should never have been
in the film. If they had not done this, it would have made the Beast more
mysterious and the story really stronger. This opening weakens the story. 
I wish that Disney nowadays would trust the audience more. Cocteau made the 
definitive Beauty and the Beast, regardless of what Glenn Keane thinks. Disney 
had a chance to challenge it. They came near the mark, but in the end fell 
short. Don't get me wrong, I still really like the film. It was good story-
telling. It just could have been better.

neil
-- 
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Rhythm & Hues Inc.       UUCP: ...{ames,hplabs}!lll-tis!celia!neil)
From: traff@diku.dk (Jesper L. Traff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Who starred in 'Rabid'?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes:

>     A friend of mine is trying to remember the name of the star of a
>movie she saw (a very bad one she also comments) called 'Rabid'. She
>believes she has done some X-rated movies as well. 'Rabid' doesn't
>appear to be listed in the actresses list, so I can't find her there.

If she means the not-so-bad movie by David Cronenberg (though not up
to later standards), the name is Marilyn Chambers. To my knowledge she
did do X-rated stuff in the seventies

Jesper Traff
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Curly Sue
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:23:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	I just saw the moive "Curly Sue".  It is only an average movie.
However, I would say that movie was help tremendously by the kid
who play the main character.  She is just the cutest little kid
you've seen.  I wonder in what other movies she has appeared in ?


Jack Teh

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard)
Subject: Multiple Academy Award Nominations
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:03:24 GMT

I had a thought the other day - what happens if someone/something
gets enough votes to be nominated twice in a category?  Does he 
compete against himself, or does just the one with the highest
number of votes go on the ballot?  Has it ever happened in the major
categories?  

Laura

--

Address alias changed -- good addresses are now lhb4v@virginia.edu and
lhb6v@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto, (803) 777-0296)
Subject: Re: SOTL questions...
Reply-To: hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:43:19 GMT

In article <1410082@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, bartb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Bart Bobbitt) writes:
>
>    1)  The night vision specs that J.G. has on.  Is there supposed to be a 
>    shadow casted onto Starling by his aiming his gun at her?  It seemed that the
>    light source came from his direction.
>
>Yes.  A small flaw in the scene, but there had to be some light so the prop
>man just turned on one....
>
>    2)  Is it only entertainment for the good psychiatrist for him to know about
>    Starling's childhood in return for information?  Am I overlooking something?
>
>Maybe.  Maybe not.  There's been lotsa discussion about this.
>
>    3)  How stupid were those two policemen guarding Hannibal in transit?
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Very.
^^^^^^
>
>    4)  Did Hannibal the Cannibal retire to Jamaica or Bahamas? or what?
>
>Maybe we gotta see the sequel to find out.  I think Dr. Lecter just went
>there after Dr. Chilton.  

I hate to keep referring to the *book* Silence of the Lambs, since it is of
course "out of the frame" w.r.t. the *movie* SotL.  But I'm going to do it
anyway... :-)

In the book, it was fairly well established that the warders at Dr. Chilton's
hospital had taken a while to learn how to deal with Lector.  Even in the movie,
I believe they mentioned the nurse who lost her tongue due to carelessness in
handling the monster.  The *stupid* thing was removing him to Tennessee and
away from the ones who had learned (by hard knocks) to deal with him.  The two
guards in Tennessee were being reasonably cautious, based on their own years of
experience with normal inmates (even violent ones).  They just weren't prepared
for such a once-in-a-lifetime speciman.  Personally, I think they were luckier
than the nurse in Baltimore, yeeech, at least their's was over in a hurry.

[SPOILER AND DISGUSTING CONTENT ALERT]

[LAST CHANCE TO TURN BACK]

While we're on the subject of Lector's trip to Tennessee...

One thing that they changed just slightly for the movie was the dialogue between
Lector and the Senator (the kidnapped girl's mother).  I don't remember the
exact line in the movie, but in the book Lector asked the Senator if she had
brest-fed her daughter.  The Senator answered yes and Lector said "mmm, thirsty
work isn't it", which, of course, was designed to trigger an extremely strong
pang of memory in the Senator.  In the movie, they watered it down to something
about nipples.  I can't think of any reason to make that particular change other
than pure N.I.H. on the part of Tally/Demme.  Very frustrating.
-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:50:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.220503.4116@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher) writes:
>
>My own belief is that, in the end, Lee will get to produce and release
>his three hour version, but that he may have to cut a few corners in
>post-production, or perhaps make salary concessions.  It would be
>an artistic tragedy if the bond company did force a drastically cut 
>version of the film to be released, instead of Lee's own version.

If only so there won't be a blizzard here about a director's cut.

:-)