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From: shagstro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shirley Hagstrom)
Subject: Future Pern..
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:04:19 GMT

   For those that asked, let me expand my question a bit...=)

  In 100-200 years after ATWOP..

What would the social structure be like?  What part would riders, holders
or crafters play?

  What would the tech level be like? (I doubt they would have robot
firelizards in that short of time and besides, the real ones are soo much
nicer..)

  What would government be like?  

  And...What would dragonriders do for a living without thread?  (Or what
logical scenero would bring thread back?  Mutation maybe?)

    Please send replies to ..shagstr@atl.calstate.edu

  (A thought was that green dragons would become real popular as they are
small enough to pop into the Yokohama and explore..Bronze and gold dragons
are nice, but maybe too big for the future of Pern?  Don't flame for
this..It was just a passing thought.)  =)

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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Dragon Info wanted
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:47:06 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

[ I apologize for posting private e-mail, but all attempts at a private
reply seem to have failed.  Besides, I have a feeling that this may be
of interest to the general readership of a.f.p...]

forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:
> 	Whoa, now I am thoroughly confused

I don't blame you. ;-)

> [I wrote:] 
> | Frankly, I recommend (as does Ms. McCaffrey) that the books be read in
> | the order published, rather than in chronological order.  This means:
> [ ... ]
> 
> 	How very strange.  It appears that she worked on different books
> 	at different times....!?
> 
> | _Dragonflight_
> | _Dragonquest_
> | _Dragonsong_
> | _Dragonsinger_
> | _The White Dragon_
> | _Dragondrums_
> | _Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_
> | _Nerilka's Story_
> | (_The Girl Who Heard Dragons_ if you can find it.)
> | _Dragonsdawn_
> [ ... ]
> 
> 	Dragonsdawn was supposed to be the _first_ one, and is the one I am
> 	currently reading (about to finish).  Don't tell me I read a book
> 	that was WAYYY in the future of the series... It doesn't make sense,
> 	either, because in this book the Dragons are barely discovered... what
> 	is that to say for alllllll the books beforehand?
> 
> | _The Renegades of Pern_
> | _All the Weyrs of Pern_

Ok.  Here's what happened:

In October 1967, Ms. McCaffrey wrote a Novella entitled "Weyr Search" and
had it published in _Analog_ magazine.  This story won the Hugo award
for that year.  In 1968, she wrote a continuation of "Weyr Search"
entitled "Dragonrider" which won the Nebula Award.  These two stories
form the first half of the Novel, _Dragonflight_ which was published
in late 1968.

Ms. McCaffrey slowly wrote the rest of the 'first trilogy'
(_Dragonquest_, _The White Dragon_) during the 70s, while also working
on a "young adult" Pern trilogy (_Dragonsong_, _Dragonsinger_,
_Dragondrums_) as well as some of her non-Perneses novels.

_Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_ was based on the narative of a song
described in _Dragonsinger_.  _Nerilka's Story_ was the 'Companion
work' for _Moreta_.

After giving some thought to exactly how the colonization took place,
she wrote _Dragonsdawn_ in 1988.

_The Renegades of Pern_ is a bit odd, since it requires that the
reader have at least some knowledge of what happened during
_Dragonflight_, _Dragonquest_, and _The White Dragon_.

_All the Weyrs of Pern_ essentially merges the 'modern' Pern
(_Dragonflight_ through _Renegades_) with some of the loose ends from
_Dragonsdawn_.

> 	Please clarify some of this... ergh.

Well, suffice it to say, all of this started when Ms. McCaffrey
decided to write a story putting dragons in a less 'evil' light. ;-)

> 	Thanks,

Hope this clarifies things a little.

>	   -----------	      Forrest Aldrich	      -----------
>	   -------     morwyn!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu	  -------

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Peter Gambit)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: AtWoP in paperback?
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:32:44 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug30.110150.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>
>
>Could someone - ANYONE - tell me when _All the Weyrs of Pern_ is due
>out in paperback?  I can't afford hardback but I'm getting desperate
>enough to splurge.  (*:  My apologies if everyone went through answering
>this question 2 weeks ago - I'm new to this newstopic and haven't
>seen it.
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>Cheers,
>Catie
MY friends who work in bookstores tell me that the turnaround time on best-
sellers from hardcover into paperback is about six months.  in the meantime,
why don't you try the public library or a college library?  there are 
several copies at our public library.  hope this helps.

--peter gambit
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From: istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Future Pern..
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:59:01 GMT

In article <92Aug30.033422.26233@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
> In article <Bts01t.JGq@andy.bgsu.edu> jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>>slip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doolie) writes:
>>
>>> You cant beat dragons for Same-day airmail.
>>
>>Or previous day, in case you were all waiting to see who would bite on that
>>one first...
> 
> I should dig up this discussion on Post ATWOP from last year from
> my archives. :) I think the best quote on it is:
> 
> RUTH EXPRESS: When it absolutely, positively has to get there yesterday!

Grin.  That's also been called "TARDIS EXPRESS" and you can even get a t-shirt
with the FedEX logo and that quote.  Grin.

Ellen - the Crime Doctor
aka Ellen G. Cohn
    ISTN100@indyvax.iupui.edu

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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Dragon Info wanted
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:55:31 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <1992Aug25.160816.12116@morwyn.uucp> forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:
>I just began reading the Pern series (am about to finish Dragonsdawn), and
>am really enjoying it, so I thought to subscribe to this group.  
>
>One peculiar difficulty I've had is determining the actual _order_ of the
>entire series... it seems that the books say differently, and the bookstore
>I go to doesn't have proper reference.
>
>Could someone kindly tell me each book in its proper sequence?  

I assume you mean in chronological progression...

[Starting from the colonization and moving forward:]

_Dragonsdawn_

_Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_ and _Nerilka's Story_

    (These two run concurrently, _Nerilka_ finishes a few months after
      _Moreta_ does.

    [Here it gets a little tricky...]

_Dragonflight_ --------------------------
_Dragonquest_ -------- _Dragonsong_ (2)  \
                       _Dragonsinger_ (3) > _The Renegades of Pern_ (1)
_The White Dragon_ --- _Dragondrums_ (4) /
-----------------------------------------
_All the Weyrs of Pern_

The above diagram means that 1) _The Renegades of Pern_ covers the
time period from slightly before _Dragonflight_ past the end of _The
White Dragon_. 2) _Dragonsong_ takes place within the time-frame
encompassed by _Dragonquest_. 3) _Dragonsinger picks up where
_Dragonsong_ leaves off (near the end of _Dragonquest_) and goes a
little beyond it. 4) _Dragondrums_ takes place during a period skipped
in _The White Dragon_.

(Also, the hard-to-find _The Girl Who Heard Dragons_ takes place
during _The Renegades of Pern_, but there wasn't room to put it in the
diagram. ;-)

Frankly, I recommend (as does Ms. McCaffrey) that the books be read in
the order published, rather than in chronological order.  This means:

_Dragonflight_
_Dragonquest_
_Dragonsong_
_Dragonsinger_
_The White Dragon_
_Dragondrums_
_Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_
_Nerilka's Story_
(_The Girl Who Heard Dragons_ if you can find it.)
_Dragonsdawn_
_The Renegades of Pern_
_All the Weyrs of Pern_

>	   -----------	      Forrest Aldrich	      -----------
>	   -------     morwyn!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu	  -------

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
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From: shagstro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shirley Hagstrom)
Subject: All the Weyrs of Pern...Mush?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:51:58 GMT

    Ok...I need input..

  In running a mush based on 100-200 years after All the Weyrs of Pern,
what would you say the 'future' of Pern would be like?

  I am collecting info from several people and getting an idea of what
people would like to see in such a MU..

  Please direct email at shagstr@atl.calstate.edu as I don't have regular
newsgroup access...

                             Jazmyn

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Dragon Info wanted
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:01:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug25.160816.12116@morwyn.uucp> forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:
>I just began reading the Pern series (am about to finish Dragonsdawn), and
>am really enjoying it, so I thought to subscribe to this group.  
>
>One peculiar difficulty I've had is determining the actual _order_ of the
>entire series... it seems that the books say differently, and the bookstore
>I go to doesn't have proper reference.

The order to read them in:

Dragonrider of Pern:
  Dragonflight
  Dragonquest
  The White Dragon

Harper Hall of Pern
  Dragonsong
  Dragonsinger
  Dragondrums

History:
  Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern
  Nerilka's Story

Rediscovery:
  Dragonsdawn

(put the Pern Anthology/short stories in here when published)

  Renegades of Pern
  All the Weyrs of Pern

Chronological order:

Dragonsdawn
"Rescue Run"

Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern
Nerilka's Story

(Renegades starts here)
Dragonflight

"The Smallest Dragonboy"
"The Girl Who Heard Dragons"

              Dragonsong
Dragonquest---Dragonsinger (same time)
              Dragondrums

The White Dragon
Renegades of Pern (ends here)
All the Weyrs of Pern


Joshua
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From: AHEMP01@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Amy Hemphill)
Subject: Re: 100 to 200 years Post-ATWOP
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.220516.7101@cco.caltech.edu>
morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) writes:
 
>
>
>Well, by that time, Jaxom would have been long dead...
>
>...so yeah, Pern would be a pretty Ruthless place.
 
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
(Xylera goes back to her weyr to take a massive dose of numb weed....ouch...
that one hurt. :P :) )
 
Xylera, rider of green Rypleth@PernMUSH
 
ahemp01@ricevm1.rice.edu
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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: AtWoP in paperback?
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:36:29 +0000


In article <1992Aug30.110150.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writ-
es:
>
>
>Could someone - ANYONE - tell me when _All the Weyrs of Pern_ is due
>out in paperback?  I can't afford hardback but I'm getting desperate
>enough to splurge.  (*:  My apologies if everyone went through answering
>this question 2 weeks ago - I'm new to this newstopic and haven't
>seen it.
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>Cheers,
>Catie
>
>

Welcome to a.f.p. Catie.

All the Weyrs of Pern is already out in paperback, at least in the UK,
in a large size paperback, I've not seen it in the more normal size yet.
Unusual that it's out in paperback here first as I often end up buying
the US import long before it's available in paperback from a UK 
publisher.

Perhaps someone knows of a shop that sells UK imports.

Peter.


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From: dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Pahnos)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Future Pern..
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:51:23 GMT
	<phoenix.7147@meltdown.chi.il.us>
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If the Weyrs aggressively colonize southern the way they intended (and I
havent read ATWOP yet), they will end up with most of it, plus just
about every small island on the planet.  The plushness of Southern is
going to allow the Weyrs and dragonriders to be aristocratic, and
socially very much like the south of the pre-civil war era. 
Dragonriders will work however, especially in their first years.  After
putting in their time as novices, they will be given a plot of land as
their own, which is non-inheritable by their descendents incidentally,
which will be their basic support system.  Actually, maybe a portion of
it will be will-able to children, but the basic core of it will be
weyr-owned.  Weyr caves are the precedence for this patterning of
property ownership.  Weyrcaves will be 'on-site' crash pads, and the
plots will be get-away-from-it-all retreats.  Riders will go on safaris
of sorts at leisure.  Weyrwoman-as-arbitrater will gain more
significance, as Riders will be business owners too.

As the need for cooperation between the Weyrs decreases, each will begin
to assert autonomy more and more, and  unless is staved by the
interdependent world-view that we do not have but are quickly moving to,
we will begin to see a balkanization of the weyrs, and dragon-vs-dragon.
 Draconic common sense may still yet prevent this.

Women will achieve true liberation as riders (the dragons may have
something to say about this however), and hold women may start asserting
weyrish attitudes as weyr-hold interactions increase.

Dragonriders (esp greens and blues) will become glorified taxi and
messenger services/travel agents/guides all in one.  They will be
expensive however, and probably limit it to the most rich of the hold
folk.

Holds will lessen as centers of living, but will retain the
townhall/community center/school/defacto support system that it is now. 
Compulsary service within the hall may be required of some poorer
members of the hold neighboorhood.

dragonlizards will be commonplace, and the overpopulation of them will
create new markets (particalurly in food).  Accessories (piercings,
ornate jewelry) will be a big thing, and a reminder of status (as
opposed to the person-only, sometimes the lizard looking better). 
Training school will become compulsory.

Harpers:  god only knows...they could either dwindle into the past, or
become the wave of the future.  Judges?  Seminarians?

just some thoughts

michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: dragon breeding
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:47:54 GMT
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

with out passis i would say that a queen dragons instinct to lay heavly
right befor a pass would mutate in to a difrint servival instinct. one
were she would lay an advrige clutch size in acordince with maintaning
the population.

ELF-KIN
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Dragon Info wanted 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:50:24 +0000


In article <xbqy=#n@rpi.edu> toigom@aix.rpi.edu writes:

>In article <66an40b@lynx.unm.edu> quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>>
>>Frankly, I recommend (as does Ms. McCaffrey) that the books be read in
>>the order published, rather than in chronological order.  This means:
>>
>>_Dragonflight_
>>_Dragonquest_
>>_Dragonsong_
>>_Dragonsinger_
>>_The White Dragon_
>>_Dragondrums_
>>_Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern_
>>_Nerilka's Story_
>>(_The Girl Who Heard Dragons_ if you can find it.)
>>_Dragonsdawn_
>>_The Renegades of Pern_
>>_All the Weyrs of Pern_
>>
>
>From reading them myself, I would recommend that DragonDrums come *before*
>The White Dragon, otherwise you'll go through a lot of new> people/places/events
>that you've heard nothing about.  Also, I find putting Dragonsdawn after
>Renegades to be a good idea (if you've read them, you can probably see why).

Actually, this is the 'quick answer' from Anne.  If she has time to go
into more details she definitely recommends that DragonDrums be read
before THe White Dragon, and in fact she really recommends that you skip
around to get 'true' chronological order (for instance, the first 2
Harper books ('Song and 'Singer) actually fit into the middle of
DragonQuest.

Incidentally, "The Littlest DragonBoy" from 'Get Off the Unicorn' fits
sometime before The White Dragon - the boy from that appears in the
later books...

>When I go through an re-read everything, I use that order, but I stick
>Moreta and Nerilka between Dragonsinger and Dragondrums as a change of pace
>from "normal time" Pern.

Interesting - I normally read them after 'Dawn...

>Just my opinion, to which nobody need listen.

Of course - even Anne's is just an opinion.  There's no 'one best
order'...

Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jac209@huxley.anu.edu.au (Juleen A Cavanaugh)
Subject: Re: AtWoP in paperback?
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:15:13 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Re: Future Pern..
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:53:53 GMT

slip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doolie) writes:

> You cant beat dragons for Same-day airmail.

Or previous day, in case you were all waiting to see who would bite on that
one first...

Jim Kiley
Mertonn@SouCon

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: kruger@math.okstate.edu (Valentine)
Subject: Re: Where is PernMush??
Organization: The Certifiably Insane. [aka Mush wizzes] 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:12:45 GMT

In article <snip> russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop) writes:
>In <snip> plee@cco.caltech.edu (Patrick L. Lee) writes:
>
>>Where the heck did PernMush end up? Last I saw it was at Gram.Dell.Com 4201, 
>>but since I regained net access (summer..) I can't seem to find it anymore...
>

>For those of you who were gone all summer, and ergo probably missed the move:

>PernMUSH
>wiretape.spies.com, port 4201

>-Lord Kale of Bitra

	wiretap. Not wiretape. wiretap. As in:

	wiretap.spies.com 4201

	
Sheesh, Lord Kale, I don't know how you're surviving without me. :)

					Deirdre, Rider of Green Kolith
						High Reaches Weyr

>Russ "Random" Smith


-- 
kruger@littlewood.math.okstate.edu  |||  "But what is truth? Is truth 
Deirdre@PernMUSH (wiretap.spies.com)|||  unchanging law? We both have 
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From: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu (Cat)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,alt.music.enya,alt.music.filk,alt.pub.dragons-inn,rec.games.frp
Subject: Address change
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu (Cat)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: scheider@gidney.oswego.edu

Hi there.  Although I have not posted on most of these groups yet, I
have emailed to people in reply to posts, under three different logon
names in two days.  The latest one, that which I am using now, is the
one which the powers that be have determined to be "the one".  Anything 
sent to the prior addresses ("cat" and "lindas") will be forwarded for
a few days.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

            Cat, the Mystical Divinity of Unashamed Felinity
Oh if people only knew how DULL it was to live in sin!...
PS: Mail sent to ar_ind02@oswego.oswego.edu will NOT be forwarded.
From: Chad.Crabtree@f6.n2201.z1.fidonet.org (Chad Crabtree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Pern?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 15:42:51 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2201/6 - Operation Mindcrime, Portage MI

Do youu like the renegades of pern book... my favorite Charecters are Jaxom and Sharra... and my favorite dragons....  Ruth!  my hero! hehehe and nmeth(sp) f'lars dargon!  yah and I really like peimur to!  any body read it?





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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Subject: Re: more on bespeaking
Summary: A new twist from AtWoP (but no spoilers)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:29:53 GMT

I've just finished the first chapter of _All the Weyrs of Pern_,
and I've just seen a reference to the effect that it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE
among dragonriders that every rider's dragon can hear through the
riders' ears!

Lord Jaxom was deep in an underground complex speaking with "Aivas",
and far out of Ruth's earshot... yet Ruth told Jaxom,
<< I listened ... to what this Aivas creature said. >>
And later, Jaxom figured some of the other dragonriders who were
present as well would be hearing from their dragons about it as well.

Of course, this works out wonderfully on PernMUSH...  :-)

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>
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