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From: t_captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson)
Subject: Modem port differnces in Rom1 and Rom3
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:19:01 EDT


This question is basically aimed at David Lyons, but anyone who can help 
is welcome to respond.

I've recently had to switch from using my Rom03 GS for my BBS to using my 
Rom01 GS. I have a USR HST on it, and I've noticed that the Rom 01 handles 
flow controlling (hard-ware wise) differently from the Rom03. Basicly, 
what's happening is that the HST is dropping the CTS (handshake in) line, 
and the Rom03 has no problem reading it; however, the Rom01 has a major 
problem - I have to use a timing loop (1/30th of a second) to stop output 
to let the modem catch up (otherwise Ymodem-4k and Zmodem dies). This 
doesn't always work, however (2400/ARQ connects chunk out hard).

My question is this: what, if any, hardware differences are their in the 
MODEM port between the Rom01 and Rom03? I'm not interested in going 
through the firmware, since it gets in the way and can't succesfully 
handle anything above 19200 without loosing throughput.

Or is this problem with my GS's modem port, and not between the two? It 
just seems very odd, since everything else (port wise) works the same 
between the two.


Tc Wilson/The Captain           "Programming is an art form
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.... or try: TCQ, The Captain's Quarters (614) 294-0556, 300-38400 hst
From: mock@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick Mock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: LetterSlide
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:17:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering

I just posted LetterSlide, a new GS game to comp.binaries and also ftp
to ccosun.caltech.edu (formerly tybalt).  

It's quite entertaining, I would encourage you to check it out :)
There is a description of the program in comp.binaries, but to briefly
sum it up here, LetterSlide is a word/puzzle game slightly similar to
sokoban where you must push letters into various configurations to
solve each level.  The program also comes with a level editor.

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From: chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Direct access to SCSI card/controller
Summary: Rev. C SCSI Card Technical Ref.
Keywords: Apple //e FOREVER
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:12:06 GMT
Reply-To: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers (UCSEE)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu
Originator: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU

In article <1992Aug22.025257.1147@blkbox> jdb8042@blkbox (John D. Baker) writes:

>I'd also be interested in learning how to directly access
>the SCSI host adapter (and thereby the devices attached)
>I have an Apple II SCSI card, Rev. C, in an extended-keyboard
>//e.

I think the ref. manual (beta draft) for Rev C. SCSI is available through
A2 Central. I got my copy from APDA when they were still carrying
Apple II stuff.

>(I'm the guy who asked about using SCSI--MFM controllers with
>Apple SCSI cards.  I bought a couple and sure enough, ProDOS
>8 hangs up when it finds the Rev. C hooked up to an Adaptec
>ACB4010A.  I'd like to poke around and find out why.  and per-
>haps make it work.)

I take it you've already gotten youself a copy of Adaptec 4000 serie
manual... Neat stuff (a heck lot better than Xebec (aka SIDER) controllers)

Are you sure that you're using an ACB4000A? (ACB4010 & ACB4000 are awfully
old)
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:53:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cco.1992Aug30.045333.6530
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green) writes:

>Thanks for posting the information about the floptical 
>experience you've had. From what you've written, I 
>infer that, since I have an Apple DMA SCSI card, I am
>pretty much out of luck using any of the drives out there.
>Is this your feeling on the matter?

Not any more; last night I read on Genie that Tulin's drive can now work with
the DMA SCSI -- I'm supposed to call Tulin for details. My guess is that Insite
revised the mechanism to make it pretend there is no media until after it's
determined the type; this way the "what size are you" request gets answered
immediately and the DMA SCSI is happy. I'll be calling Tulin on Monday to find
out more, since I definitely want a revised mechanism if that's what it is.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
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From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam)
Subject: Re: modem cable
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:05:51 GMT

In article <fmlin.19se@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
>I need a hardware handshake cable for my GS.  Will a Mac hardware handshake
>cable work?  If not where can I get one?  It will be for either a Zoom or a
>Supra.  
>

  I have some related questions, myself. I just acquired a 9600 v32/v42.bis
external modem. (CPI's Viva 9600). I've gotten it to work adequately with
my pc, but its main job in life is on my //GS, and my BBS. I'm still back
in the dark ages, softwarewise: I run Macos, and like it.
 
  By carefully shutting off all special features of the modem, I've gotten
it to accept connections at 2400. Today I managed to get a plain 9600
connection from work, but that may have been a fluke.  I've been using the
ACOS cable, but also acquired/tried a regular cable, which it didn't like
at all. No sweat.
 
  I need general info and advice on getting it to answer in error-correction
mode, at 14,400 bps. If it takes an SSC instead of the modem port, well, I
have an SSC but hate to do that, what with the keypresses needed for it to
autobaud. If that's the only way, though...(shrug)  Has anyone been
through this before? Any advice/info/driver-updates-I-don't-know-about?
From: rheinze@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: I/O Controller
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:15:07 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

I have an old II+ that I would like to use to control 
various items in my house.  Years ago there was an I/O
board for the II+ that allowed one to hook up the controller
system now sold by Radio Shack (I think).   This is the
system that turns lights, appliances, etc on/off.

Does anyone have one of those old I/O boards or know where
I can find it?   I think Mountain Computer might have made it.
From: cjs@ausom.oz.au (Cameron Silver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Random Numbers (Second request)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:49:14 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

I need a nice random number generator for TML pascal 1.0. All it needs to
do is generate a random integer between 0 and x, where x is an integer between
1 and 640.

Please reply in e-mail. Auto reply doesn't work, so use internet address:
cjs%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au

Thanx in advance
-- 
Cameron Silver
Internet: cjs%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au

Try to have some fun. It's quicker if you run! :-)
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: From Apple Corp. To Us.
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:06:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed Aug 26 92 at 20:43:53 (EST)

> From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
> Good. Now that you've received the compliment, when will AudioZap recognize
> sampling rates and support the Zip GS?! Also, do you know of a NDA which will
> digitize using the AA (and save to a file).

Huh? I've been using AudioZap the last few nights to digitize some sounds and
had no trouble's using in on my 10Mhz Zip. What do you mean?

                    -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
                      (kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com)
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From: fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Zip Chip wanted
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:59:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Anyone have a Zip chip they dont't use anymore??  or know where to get an
accelerator chip for a //c at reasonable cost?
-- 

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From: bkogawa@pro-apa.cts.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Subject: Re: NDA Ideas
Organization: AppleWorks Programmers' Association - (213) 463-9289 300-1200-2400
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:03:14 GMT

1. There is a Tetris NDA. It's called Quadomino, I think. It's not as good
as the real thing, however. If someone wrote one that was really good, it
would probably be popular.
2. I have heard of a version of Minesweeper for the GS. An acquaintance has
it. Unfortunately, he is lazy and will not give me a copy :). I will have
to see if I can get it from him soon.
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Resource Central catalog (Was: Re: Writing Finder Extensions)
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:00:46 GMT


This brings to mind a question.

Now that Resource Central is the place one goes to get the old APDA 
software, could someone , perhaps one of you GEnie folk, see if a softcopy
catalog (and phone number, etc) for the offerings from R.C. are available
for posting on Usenet?  I can't afford A2-Central any longer, but would
appreciate having a catalog that I could browse occasionally.  

Now that GEnie is starting to be able to send and receive email from
internet perhaps something could be set up to mail us a copy on a regular
basis?  If it were mailed from GEnie to info-apple@apple.com then we would
all get it.  If it is too large for this group, then perhaps a .shk/.bny
file could be mailed to one of us and then we could put it up on tybalt
or something.
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From: fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: UniDos
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:40:31 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <l9nsshINNpmb@news.bbn.com>, hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> A couple of people have reminded me of a product that I do recall, now that I  
> think of it, called UniDos which allows 3.3 usage of 3.5" disks.  I posted  
> earlier that I've got next-to-no confidence in my 5.25" disks not going bad on  
> me, so I want to transfer a lot of my stuff to 3.5" disks.
> 
> Where can I find UniDos?  Who made it?  Who's got it?  Who's used it?
> 
> --
> schmotsignature.
> Paul Hagstrom
> (hagstrop@carleton.edu)

I have a (seldom-used) dos of that sort. (PD)  It works like it says.  It is a
ProDOS .SYS file that takes the place of BASIC.SYS and gives you four separate
DOS 3.3 volumes, three of which are larger than "normal".  The operation is
transparent, and you can access any 5.25 disks with the system just the same. 
It also has pretty fast access!  It is something of a bother to me, though, so
I have stuck with 5.25".
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From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: When is the tick counter incremented?
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:38:20 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

During flea and tick season. Check with your vet.

dcg :>





Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad boy. ;>


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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Ramfast and Tape Backup units..
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:54:12 GMT

toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:

>>Aha. A bit strange ... this entity called "OS" is usually supposed to handle
>>all peripherals. Oh well, never mind.
>No! You just revealed the problem. OS's cannot handle periphals they don't
>know how to use already. You teach an OS how to use a peripheral by installing
>a driver for that peripheral -- that's all a driver is! The tricky part here
>is that GS/OS supports two types of peripherals: block devices (which are
>random access) and character devices (which aren't). The RF only provides a
>block device driver, and to use the tape properly you need a character device
>driver like Apple's SCSITAPE.

I know all that. What _I_ was trying to get across is: It is CV Tech's
"duty" to supply decent drivers. Why didn't they do it the way Apple did?
This concept of a supervisory driver with associated device drivers is
really very powerful and flexible ... I like it.
It is _not_ (as you suggested) up to the programmer to build handling of
certain devices hard-coded into his/her/its programs. This is the purpose
of the OS, which of course includes any installed drivers.

>Anybody who was planning to write their own backup program should already have
>an understanding of the driver/device concepts, or they're gonna have to learn
>before they can get anywhere...

Well, I think I have some knowledge, enough to write/port backup utilities.
Seems we had some misunderstandings back there :)
Ok, now let's lay this thread to rest, shall we?

Yours
Soenke
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From: ohst@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Ronald Ohst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Apple Graphics Tablet
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:54:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cogsci.1545
Organization: University of California, San Diego

We have an "Apple Graphics Tablet", model A2M0029, that I just
found in our lab.  It's dated 1979. Appears to be some sort of digitizing 
tablet.  Anyone ever heard of this thing?  Any possibility of it being used
with a MAC?  I'm pretty sure it was used with an Apple IIE originally.


Please respond via email as I don't normally read this group.

Ron Ohst
rohst@ucsd.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: SHADOWGATE HELP
From: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:10:40 -0500
Reply-To: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

Shadowgate for the IIgs is a great game, but I am stuck. I need some help getting past the dragon in the lair and the firedrake in the room past the mirrors.  Also how do you get through the door that is 16 feet above the floor. And how do you get up the stairs blocked by the landslide in the room past the lake. I have tried everything I can think of. If anyone out there can help please post any information you have to this group. Thanks.

HDGARNER
HU
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From: jorgi@cs.uow.edu.au (George B Zamroz)
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 2.0.1 killing keyboard
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:40:09 GMT

David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>In article <1992Aug29.120530.7729@cs.uow.edu.au> jorgi@cs.uow.edu.au (George B Zamroz) writes:
>> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>> 
>> >- If you are running P8 from GS/OS, make sure you don't have Easy Access
>> >  installed (unless you need it).  Ditto for CloseView.
>> 
>> The problem only started happening when I installed System 6.0 on my hard disk.
>> If I boot off System 5.0.4 then everything is fine. Booting System 6.0 off
>> floppy doesn't help. I don't have either Easy Access of CloseView installed, so
>> they can't be the culprits. As for the ADB connectors, I think not since the
>> problem is repeatable, and does not happen randomly. Two of the main cases
>> that I have found this problem occurring are as follows:

>Are you SURE you don't have Easy Access and CloseView installed?  The
>"custom installation" "Hard Drive or FDHD" option automatically
>installs them.
>The symptoms you describe are exactly those caused by Easy Access when
>a program tries to read from the keyboard with interrupts disabled.

>It is surprising that the problem also occurs when booting from an 800k
>floppy, since Easy Access isn't normally installed on one.

When I used the Hard Disk installation, neither EasyAccess nor CloseView were
installed. I have double-checked this.
-- 
George B. Zamroz, University of Wollongong, Australia
ex-Masters Student (Computer Science)        
Internet: jorgi@cs.uow.edu.au
From: connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 8-bit FORTH available on GEnie
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:34:18 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Aug26.110022.23462@cas.org>, lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
> Are GraForth and Applewriter ProDOS based?

Applewriter is.  It's version 2.1, I think.  GraFORTH uses a modified
form of DOS 3.3 (look how old it is, after all!).

> Is the source code available?

Supposedly yes, but from the A2PRO roundtable, not A2.  I haven't
checked, however.

> If they are not ProDOS, anyone considering making them ProDOS?

Apparently not.  These are programs that are essentially abandoned.
Someone at GEnie has undertaken this as a project to preserve really
good (or at least important) Apple II software.  Whether Paul Lutus
still owned the rights to these programs and donated them, or whether
he had to acquire them from the publishers (defunct or not) I can't
say.  Of course, with the source code to GraFORTH available, anyone
who wants to convert to ProDOS is apparently welcome to try, but 
the whole point seems to be that there's no market for these progs.

> When they are prodos, anyone considering adding GS graphics and
> sound to GraForth?

Surely you jest.  But anyway, the sound already there is exceptional
for an 8-bit program.  There's a nice piano keyboard music demo that
has 8 organ stops available, but because of some bug one of the
advertised C#'s doesn't work.

--Leo Connolly
From: royalty@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Chuck Royalty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Can I use a II+ power supply in a IIe?
Summary: Thanks! It worked.
Keywords: II+ IIe
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:04:53 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Thanks to all who e-mailed or posted answers.  To put this
to rest, the two supplies are indeed identical.  Not having
a GS, I'm inclined to also believe the plugs don't match
between IIe/+ and IIGS.  If I'd researched this a little
further before asking, I'd have discovered the specs and
plug pinouts on the end of 3 of the 4 ps cases available
to me.  The 4th must predate a labelling practice, but it
looks the same too.

Chuck Royalty
chuck@helpful.ca.boeing.com
From: paw@ausom.oz.au (Peter Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: hfs fst
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:07:09 GMT
Reply-To: paw%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

kgapp@gagme (Kevin Gapp) writes :

>Ok, here is a question about the HFS fst.  The other day I pooped a old mac
>disk (1-2 years old) into the gs.  A dialog box came up telling me that this
>was a MFS disk, and that System 6.0 can only read HFS disks.  Now I have two
>questions, the first is: What mac os used mfs?  Her disk really is not that
>old, and contains a MacWrite 5.0 document so I figured I could edit it with
>Teach, but sinces it is MFS I can't touch it.  Second, how different is MFS
>from HFS, and could a simple MFS FST be put together based around the HFS
>fst?

The MFS os! MFS was the filing system used on the Mac before HFS was invented.
You can read these files using an old _Applesoft BASIC_ (!!) program called
MacTransGS, which simply did block reads and wrote the data out in ProDOS file
format.

The differences vastly outweigh the similarities, so it would be more than a
matter of just 'tweaking' the HFS FST to get an MFS FST, although I would
think that a read-only MFS FST could be put together reasonably easily. Maybe
a third party could write one, when (if) Apple releases the FST specs, as
they have suggested _might_ happen if Greg Branche successfully writes his
MS-DOS FST without having to force any mods to the rest of the OS. To date
(and he has a working version!), he hasn't had to hit the rest of the OS.

>******************************************************************************
>* Kevin Gapp                                                Apple IIgs RuleZ*
>*    Ask me about BoOgiE BoaRdZ SysTemZ bbs software for the Apple II.       *
>*            "Anything worth doing, is worth bitching about!"                *
>* kgapp@gagme.chi.il.us                                  Lake Forest Academy *
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From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam)
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:08:33 GMT

In article <1ncnl-.derich@netcom.com> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
>YO, guys.
>
> I'm having a problem having my Proterm 3.0 emulate VT-100 on my APple IIGS
> When I use an UNIX editor (vi for example), it would not function the 
> up/down arrows and right and left arrows do strange things. That's why
> whenever I need to edit a file or to response alongside a reply, I use another
> computer. I much rather use my own.  Any ideas?
>
   I recall similar problems. The fix was to change a few items in stty on
the unix end, not on the apple end. Worked fine after that. Wish I could
remember what it was I did, but at least it gives you a direction for
further research.

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