HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Subject: Re: a stranger appears!
Reply-To: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:45:26 GMT

>When no one immediately notices
>this rather ordinary looking fellow standing at the fringes of the
>merriment, he mutters a rather loud <AHEM>, and asks "Is this a
>private party, or can anyone join in?"  He waits silently for
>someone to answer.

A rainbow whirlwind resolves itself into a tall woman in many
filmy scarves as Gypsy Woman pauses in her dancing,  

"Hi Dalton, come and join the fun!  Virtual merriment and 
compassion for all.  (Despite the recent flames)"  

Rowan (Gypsy Woman)
8-[ (vampire with glasses.

Rowan Fairgrove
From: ssnodgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Steve Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:25:30 EST
Organization: UT Student Union Board

> The New Kid peers uncertainly in the sudden light after her dark corner. 
> She clears her throat.
> "Ahem. Yeah, I'm another unlurker(sp?). There seem to be a lot of us lately. 
> In Real Life I'm Bernadette Sacksteder, a summer worker at the local Air 
> Force Base near Dayton, Ohio. I work at a computer help desk, or pretend to 
> anyway.:-)"
> She walks up to the bar, pulling a crumpled bill out of her pocket.
> "Uh, Mike, could I have a Lemon Sling?"

Tigger, having come out of nowhere from somewhere [hmm.. I like the paradox
there], grins.

"Aha, another southwestern Ohioan!  We'll take over yet."

"Welcome to the Place, Bernadette.  I hail from Hamilton, OH, land of the
stupid exclamation point.  Currently, I am loafing here, waiting for school to
start again in fall... back to the university we go."

"Have a hug, even, if you're the hugging type!  Though considering what
happened last time I offered a new person a hug, perhaps I shouldn't do that,
but what the heck!"

Steve is for some odd reason in a good mood this evening, although he does not
know why.

"Bye folks!"

<*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*>
Steve Snodgrass == just some weird guy == SSNODGR@uoft02.utoledo.edu == Tigger
"Hugs are like good friends - they make you feel wonderful and you can never
 have too many." -me   {Cult Rock Fan - Rush,Yes,Jethro Tull,Styx,Pink Floyd}
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:52:32 GMT

Nathan quotes P'relan:

>>I don't know about that one though I do wonder sometimes about the impressions
>>you get of Ohio from movies. Let's see...we have transsexual aliens (The Rocky
>>Horror Picture Show is set in Denton, OH - look closely and the newspaper
>>Janet's holding over her head is a Cleveland Plain Dealer)..and there's always
>>the impressions you get from _Heathers_ ("Mineral water? They were fags!")...
>>Unfortunately it tends to be somewhat more normal in RL...

> Sir, I don't know whether to be offended by this or not.
> What does this mean?
> Was your intent to say that Ohio is more open-minded than Brad and
> Janet in _ RHPS_, and the sheriffs in _Heathers_?

I suspect that he was trying to say that, walking down the street in Ohio, you
are unlikely to run into transsexual aliens or (not having seen Heathers, I'll
go by your comments) parahoid homophobic sherrifs.  These two views of Ohio are
reasonably opposite, but both wierd, and thus he was describing a continuum of
wierdness that seems unlikely to show up in ohio (or at least, no more likely
that elsewhere).         

Wait a second.  Kitten lives in Ohio ...  Well then, the scenes from the
Rocky Horror Picture Show *are* more likely to get replayed there than 
elsewhere.  =8)

Anyway, Nathan, what did he say that could be seen as offensive?  I don't see
anything ...
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Organization: The Cat Factory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.190053.15329@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:

}" ...  I suspect that, being who I am, I wouldn't get into a situation
}where I'd need one without having a clue beforehand and enough time to get one.
}Besides, condoms get brittle with age, and are rather expensive ...  For me,
}it would be better to get them fresh when I need them."

"They aren't all _that_ expensive (we give them away by the hundreds at
Mensa RGs and AGs) and life is full of surprises, no matter who you are.
It never hurts to be prepared."

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin)
Subject: Re: A Night in the Hills of West Virginia
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:58:42 GMT

In article <92204.154548U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>,
Cathy Ridings <U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
>I am very sensitive to violence.  I have realized that I can not watch those
>kind of movies.  I am not able to watch it and then forget it.  It sticks
>in my mind and then haunts me at night.  Take for example the movie "Cape
>Fear".  I had to leave the theatre after the rape scene.  This movie was
>so GRAPHIC, that I could not enjoy it.  My boyfriend got pissed because
>I was such a wimp.  Anyway for weeks after that one scene stuck in my head
>and I could see it when I close my eyes.

Your boyfriend doesn't understand how powerful rape-fear can be.
He's not in much direct danger from it, and he is not used to
being physically unable to defend himself against half the people
he sees.  I understand your feeling.  I can't watch rape scenes
either, because of the violence such scenes evoke in my imagination.
I tend to get caught up in imagining exactly how I would attempt to
kill a person who would attempt to do that to me . . . I don't
enjoy such thoughts, as I am basically nonviolent.  So I guess I'll
avoid seeing Cape Fear.

>But I pose a question for debate:   Are we hurting our children, our
>society with this violence?  Does anyone else feel that TV and movie violence
>leads to violence in real life?

I do not advocate censorship on television, but I **do** advocate
parental and self-discretion.  I can't believe that people can
watch the number of hours of television that they do, on average,
and not be effected by the violence.  I think most adults can brush
it off to a certain extent, but t.v. violence may push the unstable
ones over the edge.  Children are too young to have developed
a solid sense of reality or of right and wrong.  A parent should be
very careful about what the child views on t.v., and should make
the effort to talk to the child after the child is exposed to a
violent scene.

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From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:13:15 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

I hesitate to start an insult match, but......you sound like a lawyer.



;-)  <-- for the humor impaired
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Babbage's Birthday Bargain Bash -- December 26th, 1992
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lower-tony@CS.YALE.EDU (Tony Lower)
Subject: Re: Fun at 5 AM
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:31:52 GMT


   "Hmmm... I wouldn't worry about having to testify, OR
about your names on the statements.  Lemme help put this
in perspective."

   Manx notes for the record that he lives in crime plagued
New Haven, Connecticut, and has had to file several police
reports on various forms of non-violent, but intimidating
crimes.  He also adds the disclaimer that the facts he's
about to put forth may not be true outside of New Haven, but
he's pretty sure that they are.

   "First, for a drunk and disorderly charge, with a breaking
and entering attempt, there's NOT likely to be a jury trial.
These things generally get settled by a judge after about
forty seconds of discussion with the attorneys, about the
facts of the case.  Occasionally, the police officers involved
will be asked to verbally supplement their report, but only
occasionally.  Basically, court systems have to deal with
a LOT of these cases.  So, no I don't think you'll have to
testify.

   "Second, about the statements, I believe standard police
procedure is NOT to let the person see names.  Generally, it
is enough to say "The people in the apartment you were trying
to get into", in place of "Mr. and Mrs. X".

   "Third, even if the person DID see your names, or was sober 
enough to remember where you lived, the odds that he will EVER
want to come near your apartment again are very slight.  The
behaviour you described sounded like someone who was drunk out
of their gourd, and had not the slightest idea how to break into
an apartment.  This is probably the worst thing on his criminal
record.  If the person had actually gotten into your apartment
and threatened you, or something similarly horrible, I would
tell you to be worried, but as it is, I think this is just one
of those wonderful incidents that city-based civilization lends
itself to."

   Manx gives Alfvaen two Zen hugs... one for him, and one to be
transmitted to his wife.  "To double-paned glass!" he says, and
wings his (or rather, someone elses, but he knows not whose)
ginger ale glass into the fireplace.
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:32:42 GMT
Subject: Re: A Night in the Hills of West Virginia
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE) writes:

> 
>  I sympathize with your worries, but violence was around long before
> movies.

Barbara Tuchman tells of a popular 14nth century pasttime in
which two men with their hands tied behind their backs competed
to beat a a cat to death with their heads.  The cat would
be conveniently nailed to a post, but otherwise able to
use its claws.  So, yes, I would say violence predates movies.

> that said that people, both conciously and subconciously, felt that
> the world was coming to an end. So, they reacted by acting as if the
> world was coming to an end.

This kind of thing has happened faily often.

doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Morieson)
Subject: Re: lonely
Organization: Monash General Access UNIX System
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:30:13 GMT

Thanks DM, 
I haven't been the most cheerful of late ( this is getting to be a bad
habit ) and your post reminded me of a few important thinks I had lost
track of. 

Telsor
-- 
I stab myself with the knife of life, to burn away the pain.
Telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Robert Morieson
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: Welcome ! Re: The New Kid
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:54:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.145152.5745@cs.tulane.edu> pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:
>From: pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
>Subject: Welcome ! Re: The New Kid
>Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:51:52 GMT

>In article <bsackste.49@AFIT.AF.MIL>, bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder) writes:
>|> The New Kid peers uncertainly in the sudden light after her dark corner. 
>|> She clears her throat.
>|> "Ahem. Yeah, I'm another unlurker(sp?). There seem to be a lot of us lately. 
>|> In Real Life I'm Bernadette Sacksteder, a summer worker at the local Air 
>|> Force Base near Dayton, Ohio. I work at a computer help desk, or pretend to 
>|> anyway.:-)"
>|> She walks up to the bar, pulling a crumpled bill out of her pocket.
>|> "Uh, Mike, could I have a Lemon Sling?"

>     "Welcome To The Place ! Boss is up in orbit, rollerskating with SEA.
>    Would you like some bisquits ?" Robbie.

.sig deleted

"Biscuits? Did somebody say biscuits! Where's the butter..."
:-) :-)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:29:40 GMT



>Aslan listens as Tigger plots to get the delegation from Ohio to take over
>Callahans and decides it is time to stick her mane back in for a second.

>I have been lurking for a few days trying to decide if I should post
>again...It seems like years since I have been here. Hello Tigger and Aahz
>and anyone else who remembers me :) I just thought I would share some good
>news.  Remember that vampire I was always hanging around...Yber...
>Well about two months ago..May 15th to be exact we got married... :)
>We are still at A&M. He is still himself. And I am still very excited to be
>his wife:).  I guess I will just hang around here again... I miss this
>place :).


"hi, aslan....congratulations...and my best to yber too....glad to
have you back..."  kitten offers aslan a hug....

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: The Nightstalker makes an observation
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.235149.10798@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.140556.18360@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>DM:	The number 1000 has only one significant digit, and is therefore to be
>>	taken to encompass anything between 500 and 1500 (let's not get into
>>	how to round 500 and 1500; that could take up a thread all its own).
>>StM:	The number of significant digits in the number 1000 is ambiguous. 
>>	Depending on how one looks at it, it could mean anything from 500 to
>>	1500, or it could mean anything from 999.5 to 1000.5, or it could mean
>>	1000 exactly.
>>Is that a reasonable definition of our positions?	
>
>"Sounds reasonable to me, and yes, for fifteen times, I am sure"
>
>>Well, let's apply DM's definitions to my statement of his definition, then:
>>1000 means anything from 500 to 1500.  However, applying his definition again,
>>500 means anything from 450 to 550, and 1500 means anything from 1450 to 1550.
>>450 means anything from 445 to 455, and 1550 means anything from 1545 to 1555.
>>445 means anything from 444.5 to 445.5 and 1555 means anything from 1554.5 to
>>1555.5.  And so on.  So the logical result of DM's definition, in practice, and
>>if you accepted my definition of his position, is that 1000 means anything from
>>444.4444... to 1555.555555....  I.e., anything from exactly 444 4/9 to exactly
>>1555 5/9.
>
>
>"Eeeessshhhh! I spend a lot of time in the lab trying to stop people doing
>that sort of thing! Sorry StM, but that doesn't make sense! The number of
>significant figures is a measure of how accurately we know something. There
>is no rounding involved, it is a measure of error, so that disposes of one of
>the problems you errr, specifically didn't follow up. :)

But my point was simply that you were willing to take 500 and 1500 as meaning
500 and 1500 exactly.  I.e., in the context of the statement, 1000 was
considered to have one significant figure, while 500 was taken to have three,
and 1500 four.

>So, that means that
>the *true* value lies between 500 and 1500, significant figures are meaningless
>in reference to a true value, since if it is an exact amount, there is no 
>error involved. Now as to what *defines* this true value, I'll leave that
>to the mathematicians, but this was a measurement that we are discussing, the
>domain of physicists (and others), and so we can assume that there is a real
>value, and that it lies between 500 and 1500, no significant figures, since 
>the whole point of significant figures is to imply that range."

Again, my point was simply that when I used the numbers 500 and 1500, you
didn't apply the idea of significant figures to them.  In other words, the
number of significant figures a number has depends on context.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Snow FantasyAnd now, back to the show:
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:32:06 GMT

In article <Bs04nD.AJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>>StM responds, "Actually, in my opinion, someone with a bit of dyslexia
>>originally wrote down the number for normal body temperature.  That would
>>explain why my temperature is normally somewhere around 96.8 degrees
>>Fahrenheit.  I'm serious.  If, when I wake up, my temperature is above 96.0, it
>>means I've got a fever.  If it ever goes above 98.0, I'm sick.  Call me
>>cold-blooded if you will.  Actually, I think my unusual tolerance for cold
>>temperatures might be somehow related to my diabetes."
>
>"i don't know..." says kitten  "my natural body temp is below
>97.5....and i have NO tolerence for cold...and no diabetes--and they
>haven't addmitted to the hypoglycemia yet...but i am reading up on the
>subject...
>
>i think you are just weird :)

I thought that was obvious.
From: rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: More of Nathan being Depressed. (feel free to skip this)
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:49:12 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  Great, I try to make a nifty little note to make everyone
  know that I'm depressed and thinking of not using the net
  anymore, and my post gets screwed up.

  So, this is basically what I wanted to say:

  I'm feeling like I don't belong in.  Mostly what I feel
  is intimidated by the other Callahaners.

  Most of you are so smart,  I feel left out of a lot of the
  posts.   (By this I mean all the posts about math and
  math related subjects.  I happen to be very right brained,
  and a visual thinker and am terrible at all varieties of math.)

  I don't often post to threads because my opinion is often
  more throughly explained by someone else than I could do
  myself.  Or I don't know enough about the subject matter
  to form an opinion one way or the other.  (Here, I'm thinking
  about the StM/Nightstalker thread.  I'm pretty much an agnostic,
  raised without religion.  When I do think about religion, I
  tend to lean towards paganism.)

  I just don't feel all that comfortable here.  I thought I would.

  So many of you have been just wonderful.  (Didi, kitten, Caithelin,
  NickD, Galdrin, and all the others.)  But, it just isn't enough.

  I'm probably just exagerating things way out of proportion, and
  tomorrow I will feel totally different.  But, then again, maybe not.

  nathan.
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:26:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: joint post on discrimination, long!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, turner@reed.edu (another face in the mirror) writes:

> Caithelin is at it again...
> 
> >[Marie]
> >True, you are not a peer of the President.  But you *are* the peer
> >of men at your social level.  Let's use a very trivial example.
> >I play volleyball.  I'm okay at it.  I have female friends who
> >are excellent players.  When they play with men, most of whom
> >are not as good at it as the woman, many men will virtually push
> >the woman out of the way so they can hit the ball.  It seems
> >obvious to the man that his bad play on the ball *must* be better
> >than anything the woman can do.  He assumes this as a man.

This paragraph is extremely sexist, and I find it offensive.
The men you know may do this, but this generalization is the
very essence of sexism.

>  He
> >would not do this to a fellow man.

In fact he might if he is the type of person you are suggesting and
if the man he would be pushing fits certain physical stereotypes.
You are using examples of pushy, type A people to generalize about
all men.

>  This is a trivial example,

Yes it is.

> >but it gives you a clue as to ongoing attitudes among your peers.

Yes, there are sexist attitudes on both side of peer groups.

> >I have seen this very example happen more times than I can count.
> 
> "I have to admit I've seen this example many times, had it happen to me for
> that matter...my response, "You hit a ball in my area one more time and I'm
> going to elbow you in an unpleasant place, now knock it off." 

The proper response to this would be, "Oh, I am sorry.  I am more
than willing to stop as I did not realize I was doing this.  But
I should warn you that if you hit me in a dangerous and painful
area, I am going to wipe walls with your pancreas.  Now that
we understand each other, I will try to avoid getting in your
space in the future."

doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Responsibilities of Artists (was Re: Pornography and Playboy)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:17:04 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Jul27.204137.22549@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <02lmm2-.aahz@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.030034.20562@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>
>>>	"But my point is that portraying something one disbelieves as
>>>true _is_ lying.  What's the difference between making up facts and
>>>making up other truths?  Is it any less a lie to write a story which
>>>states that unprovoked cruelty is honorable (assuming the writer
>>>doesn't believe this to be true) than to write a work which states, as
>>>fact, that Beethoven was actually a Buddhist monk?"
>
>>You are overstating -- and losing -- your case by your use of the word
>>'lying'.  By your standard, an SF story that included the use of FTL is
>>also 'lying'.  Does the word 'fiction' mean anything to you?
>
>	"`Once is happenstance, twice is circumstance, three times is
>enemy action.'  Or, in this case, failing to make myself clear once
>may just be a matter of reiterating and explaining in more detail,
>twice a matter of elaborating and correcting misapprehensions-- but a
>third time suggests a fundamental gulf in communications, and since
>I'm the one attempting to communicate, I can only blame my own lack of
>clarity.  For that I apologize, but I'm really not sure how else to
>rephrase what I'm saying to get it across accurately.  If anyone else
>feels like trying, I'd be grateful, and I'll try again if I think I
>can meaningfully answer an objection, but the gulf may just be too
>wide on this one even for understanding, still less agreement."

Having pilloried you, let me now play Devil's Advocate, and see if I can
re-state your case in a meaningful way:

You are making two assertions here.

1)  That an artist can affect the thoughts, emotions, and opinions of
other people through the medium of their works.

2)  Because of that power, the artist has the responsibility to remain 
true to their own internal philosphy.

Before I continue, I will await a response on whether I have
successfully recapitulated the crux of your case.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Babbage's Birthday Bargain Bash -- December 26th, 1992
Newsgroups: alt.callahans