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From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Cars and suburbs
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:39:18 GMT
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.

In article 1jsuiqINN8it@morrow.stanford.edu, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

[snip]
 
>who are affected by foul air, skin cancers resulting from ozone depletion,

[snip]

Holly, I would have thought that your .sig would have meant that perhaps you
might actually *know* something about the mechanics of ozone depletion. Blaming
ozone depletion on motor vehicle use and hence consumption of fossil fuels, which
is completely, utterly and demonstrably nonsense, just casts doubt on the validity
of any other part of your argument.

Regards,

Hugh.
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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
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Date: 24 Jan 93 14:10:23


I'd like to make some observations here... i suppose i'm going to step
on some toes, which is definitely not my intention, but which is
probably inevitable. 

First, my intention is definitely NOT to say that any one country is
"No. 1".  In fact, it is quite the opposite.  

No one country is going to be everyone's idea of paradise, or even of
the best place to live.  Each person has a unique set of needs,
desires and priorities.  As a personal example, i'm thriving here in
Norway, but i know a number of my fellow immigrants who had to leave.
The dark winters, and the stillness here, was literally making them
crazy.

Furthermore, a person's needs, desires, and priorities are subject to
change over time.  What seems wonderful when one is a young college
student may not be as welcome when one is older and has a job, family,
and other responsibilities.  These changes can affect their beliefs
about the best place for them to live.  A country also changes with
time.  New leaders, changing population, and changing opportunities
may make a country seem like more or less of an attractive place for
an individual.

Another point to consider is that no one country is "No. 1" in all
areas, or even in all areas you might consider important.  

Therefore, bandying around statistics to "prove" that your country of
choice is somehow better than my country of choice or Mr. X's country
of choice is pointless and rather silly (IMHO).  Your facts, accurate
or not, are not likely to change my needs, desires, and priorities.
What you "require" in a country may not even be relevant to Mr. X.

I find both sides of the "who has the largest immigration rate" debate
to be silly.  Immigration rate is dependent on a number of factors,
not all of which have to do with anything that could be called
"desirability".  Therefore, the immigration rate of Canada by itself
is even less useful than other statistics mentioned - and the claims
that "total number is more important than per capita rate" or "illegal
immigration should be counted in the rate" are also not useful, and
end up as irrelevant commentaries to an irrelevant statistic.

That's really all i had to say.  If you are happy where you are, then
consider yourself lucky - but don't try to convince me i would be
happier there!

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:22:09 EST
From: bob burge <BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject:    NOAM CHOMSKY (& my reader)

I tried to post this message with the followup function, but my machine
rejected it. You see, the powers do not allow me to post or follow up to
a post that has the alt.* in the thread. Anyway, I can read it, but I can't
join it....figure that!


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part 6, NOAM CHOMSKY: The New World Order

What did you think of _Manufacturing Consent_?

I thought it was a very good (but long) docu/ment (as in monument) to
Noam.  Anyone get a chance to see it?


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Opinion Research Unit - Queen's University - Kingston - ON - Canada - K7L3N6
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From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: archaeology and the law
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:55:02 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

My wife has a semester project on archaeology and the law.
She is especially interested in the law on treasure trove.
Does anyone have any information on similarities between
British and other laws on treasure trove, or perhaps the
consequences of not having any? For "other" read Scandinavian,
Dutch, Irish, countries with legal systems evolved from the
British. Canadian would be especially interesting since the
law on treasure trove has been recently changed (from the
British model to something more suitable to Canadian
circumstances?).

please email me, and thanks.
Eric
   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
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From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: archaeology and the law
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:04:29 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

My wife has a semester project on archaeology and the law.
She is especially interested in the law on treasure trove.
Does anyone have any information on similarities between
British and other laws on treasure trove, or perhaps the
consequences of not having any? For "other" read Scandinavian,
Dutch, Irish, countries with legal systems evolved from the
British. Canadian would be especially interesting since the
law on treasure trove has been recently changed (from the
British model to something more suitable to Canadian
circumstances?).

please email me, and thanks.
Eric
   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
 _| ~-. Eric Barber, BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, England CM17 9NA
 \, *_} AT&T/BT/etc. +44 279 403527/429531 x 3527, ESN (NT/BNR) 6 742 3527
   \(   DISCLAIMER:  Working at, not speaking for, BNR  | Eric.Barber@bnr.co.uk
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:57:40 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>Of course we can't expect anyone who watches pro football to
>understand measurment accuracy.  I always find it amusing to have
>them measure downs to inches when the placement of the ball is
>probably accurate to the nearest yard :-).
>
No, accurate to the nearest "foot" - ref's foot that is.  Sorry, just couldn't
resist.  Lack of sleep does that to me!
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From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Info Wanted about Guam!!!!!!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:04:32 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Hi! all netters out there. 

During the spring break I might visit my friend's place in Guam.
I believe that the island Guam is in U.S. territory. I don't 
any thing else than that. I also know that it is somewhere in
Pacific Ocean. Can someone tell me more information of the island
Guam? What kind of government form is there? Do I need to get a
entrance visa? (Frankly, I am U.S. citizen.)  Your respons to my 
e-mail address is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  



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From: RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Easier way to get a credit card?
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:35:48 EST

In article <C1FKMu.BHu@athena.cs.uga.edu>
shen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mingzuo Shen) writes:
 
>
>Hi all,
>
>    Is it appropriate to ask questions about living in the US in
>this group? If not, please excuse this one any way.
>
>    What are the easier ways to apply for a credit card in the US?
>I have lived here for a number of years, first as a graduate
>student, and now as a postdoctoral fellow, with a very low annual
>salary.
>
>    Thanks in advance,
>
>Mingzuo Shen
>
 
    Those years of living in this country must be a waste!  Anyway, to
answer your question: you deserve neither credit cards nor a higher salary.
Wish you keep the current position for a long long time.  Go Doggie!
From: geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Help wanted -> looking 4 tips
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:41:54 GMT
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mx500.informatik.hu-berlin.de

Hi U!

I'm doing this posting for a friend of mine. I'm not sure, if this is
the right newsgroup, but help anyway, please. 
E-Mail me (geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de), Thanx in advance
 CU



Hello !

Is there anybody out there who can help me to get to the STATES, 
AUSTRALIA or NEW ZEALAND as cheap and as long as possible ?
I need to know all about getting there, by ship or,if necessary,
by plane; working there (unskilled) and living there (houses,
flats, hostels aso). Time: between april and august 1993. Main 
problem: MONEY!!, therefor as cheap as possible. I'll be glad
about any kind of tip, address or something like that.
THANKS, 
shark.

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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: No. 1 America
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) wrote:
> I have read a lot of posts on this subject ranging from
> "America is the Best" to "America Sucks."  
> One thing to keep in mind that makes America unusual:
> 	Americans don't like the government making decisions for them.

Correction.  They *say* they don't like that.  When the government makes a
decision to go to war they react the same way the Serbs or the English do.
(OK, support in the US for the Gulf War was never anywhere near as high as
the Bush administration would have liked us to believe, but it can't have
been very different from British popular support for the Falklands War).

And if you think this particular bit of the American self-image is news to
anyone with a TV or a local magazine stand anywhere on the globe, you just
don't have a clue about the effectiveness with which the world's media have
disseminated it.  This platitude has been doing the rounds of the world's
movie screens since the first silent Westerns.

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From: smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:58:20 GMT
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Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:

> p.s. what a strange language we have. why is immigration spelled with
>      two "m"s and emigration with one? i'll never figure out English.

As usual, this type of problem can be linked to those pesky French.
I guess they in turn could blame it on the Romans, but the Reign of
Terror really popularized the use of the second noun in word and deed.

Steven Smith


P.S. 

> i see net immigration (i.e. minus emigration) as a very reasonable
> collective representation of the total factors determining where
> people want to live.  it is a "market expression" -- people putting
> their "money where their mouths are". what could be a better way of
> looking at the question of "where is it best to live"?

It seems incongruous to me that someone who has described with clarity
the function of free markets elsewhere would assert that this
statistic is meaningful.  Of all regulated activities in our
respective countries, immigration is perhaps the most tightly
controlled.  If Canada or the U.S. decided arbitrarily to increase
their immigration quota, would some U.N. bureaucrat automatically rank
them as a better place to live?   Well, maybe, but that still doesn't
give any weight to this statistic.

Anyway, I would say that America is better, but given the indications
of the first week of the Clinton administration, striving desperately
to be more like Canada.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:58:31 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

>>Sure.  Not to agree or dissagree with the foreperson's comments, I'd
>>note that the density of immigrants to native born Americans is low
>>enough to almost go unnoticed.
>
>	I realize your posting address is in Richardson, Texas, but

Only because all of Convex's news goes through there.  I'm actually
in Frankfurt.  However, I lived in Dallas (Richardson is a suburb)
for about 4 years.

>surely even there the density of immigrants should be high enough
>to be visible. Here in the Bay Area immigration is very visible, and
>it's been very visible in its effects on every city I've lived in during
>the past 12 years. If you don't see it, you're either not looking or
>you're posting from a very remote rural community.

You're right, of course, about the Bay Area.  In Dallas there are
many Mexicans (many illegals), but seriously most of the people
don't see them, except as someone sweeping up the floor of their
local restaurant.  I never lived anywhere in the states where every
nightclub has a) one elderly black man in the men's restroom, handing
you a paper towel and offering smelly things, and b) a few Mexicans
walking around with broom and scoop, keeping th floor clean.

In Colorado (my home state) we have a large Spanish American and
Indian/Spanish American population.  They don't seem to be ignored
as in the south.  We always offered bilingual education and there
were Spanish language radio and tv available.

However, back to the original comment, you see a lot of immigration
in the Bay Area, but probably 90% of the rest of the states sees
much less.

>	Take a look out the window one day son, and check out those
>deeply tanned men who are pickin' the grapefruit across the field from
>your office. :)

I wish there was grapefruit across from my office!  But even if
I could see anything other than building from my office, it'd
probably be Turks (the Mexicans of Germany) picking apples or
plums.

Cheers,
Ray
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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:54:36 GMT

rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>This, I believe, is the strength of America, or was. When we truly
>were a melting pot, assimilating all comers, we forged the American
>ideal. Perhaps we are still doing that today, but I have my doubts.

Don't doubt it. America is still a melting pot, still gaining strength
from its immigrants. I look at the people around me and those who are
or were close... Vikki , whose family first came here as penniless illegals,
who now have restaurants and real estate and are now legal and respected
members of the community. Vera , who has worked 3 jobs for years, buying her
mother a fabulous estate with swimming pool and buying herself a condo, back
in Brazil. Atty, who came here two steps ahead of Mengistu's hit squads, who
has started up companies and become a player in semiconductor manufacturing.
Raul, who arrived here decades ago from Romania by way of Israel, whose
impact on the computer world shows up regularly in the trade press. Included
in that category are , Mike and Mansur , from Iran; Lev and Bernie from
eastern Europe. Then there are Kanako , Misao , Miki , and Rie all from
Japan and all remarkable in there own way. Hewan and Fekerte from Ethiopia
who are fairly ordinary except that they add life and joy and mirth whereever
they go. Include the Russian and Nigerian taxi drivers, the Ethiopians who 
have cornered the parking lot market here (Boston). Look at the ethnic
restaurants. Look at the children of these immigrants. In my son's advanced
math class (8th grade) he is the only one not speaking Chinese. This is a
great country. It has its problems, but most of those problems are intimately
related to the very factors that make it great; the level of personal freedom
and the tumultuous mixing of cultures.

Charlie  -  who came here first as a child from the UK.
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From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.

In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, arup+@cs.cmu.edu (Arup Mukherjee) writes:
>In article <C17IGF.4Mo@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes:
>>  Actually, I-80 across Pennsylvania rivals many western highways
>>for wide-openness and lack of major towns along the way.  Of course,
>>this makes the 300 miles or so of constant 55 MPH speed limits
>>all the more ridiculous.
>>
>
>True, but it's also perpetually under construction  ...
>("Welcome to PA... Single lane most of the next 300 miles" :-) and liberally
>sprinkled with craters. I doubt that PA has any plans to remedy this, since it
>forces more people to take the PA Turnpike which is, mile for mile, possibly
>the most expensive toll road in the US. [Does anyone have a counterexample? The
>insane bridge tolls into New York City don't count...]
>
>PA and your car: Keep them as far from each other as you can, if you have any
>choice in the matter.
>
>-Arup

Hear bleedin' hear! As my father says "Most states have roads; Pennsylvania
has PennDOT."

At least the wear and tear on the car (in my case) is usually Hertz' problem.

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Regards,

Hugh.
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From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:08:04 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

008225@connie.de.convex.com> rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:
>
>Sure.  Not to agree or dissagree with the foreperson's comments, I'd
>note that the density of immigrants to native born Americans is low
>enough to almost go unnoticed.

	I realize your posting address is in Richardson, Texas, but
surely even there the density of immigrants should be high enough
to be visible. Here in the Bay Area immigration is very visible, and
it's been very visible in its effects on every city I've lived in during
the past 12 years. If you don't see it, you're either not looking or
you're posting from a very remote rural community.
	Take a look out the window one day son, and check out those
deeply tanned men who are pickin' the grapefruit across the field from
your office. :)
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