HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rickt@bnr.co.uk (Rick Tait)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Posting GIFs (PLEASE READ!)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:48:49 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs158.bnr.co.uk

In article <dsblack.728028210@pv6807.vincent.iastate.edu> dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:
>In <1993Jan25.203518.13015@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) writes:
> 
>>Please, let's get an "alt.supermodels.pics" newsgroup started, and keep
>>the pictures of the models (and only the models) in there.
>
>Yeah!  I definitely agree.  I've been hesitating to post some scans a friend
>did of my Elle calendars for me for fear that my account will be flooded with
>flames.  On the other hand, I don't really wan't to post it to alt.binaries.
>pictures, because the pics will get a lot of unwanted copywrite attention 
>there, which would be even worse than flames from posting gifs to this group.
>
>I think alt.supermodels.pics is an excellent idea.  As you said, stuff from
>Playboy and Penthouse could be included, so we could have nude pics that aren't
>quite alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.  And then I could post the Elle pics...

I agree wholeheartedly with the suggestions for an alt.supermodels.pictures
newsgroup, BUT, I think we'd have to be careful about the nude pics, else 
people will start talking, and, as so often happens, sites will lose their
feed to the group. What I'm particularly thinking about is the recent pics
of Pamela Anderson and Lisa Matthews for example. Does anyone actually
object to these, or think they belong in a.b.p.e? I think they're OK, but
anything stronger is definitely not for this group.

>BTW, since I have never posted gifs, could somebody tell me how to do it (after
>uuencoding them)?  Thanx!

If you haven't got a posting agent, just import the file into the editor
which you're using to write your article. Ie, in vi:
	<ESC>
	: r <filename> <RETURN>

Comments anyone?


-- 
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Northern Telecom Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, New Southgate, London, N11 1HB
Voice: +44 (0)81 945 3352, Fax: +44 (0)81 945 3116, NT Canada: ricktait@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: ptaszeks@fed3005.ne1300.ingr.com (Stephen Ptaszek)
Subject: Re: Cindy C in Penthouse
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:13:19 GMT

jrp@netman.Berkeley.EDU (Joshua R. Poulson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.092138.10391@ac.dal.ca>, zeppelin@ac.dal.ca writes:
>|> 	Has anyone SEEN the Penthouse with Cindy C in it...is it a pictorial
>|>  or article or what?

>It's a pictorial, her last nudes according to the article. Very nice and
>tastefully done.

Ahem...Me thinks thou hast confused Cindy in Penthouse (clothed
more or less, but still hot) and Stephanie in Playboy (mostly
nudes).  There is some text with each layout and yes Stephanie 
said that this will be her last nude set.
--
| Stephen Ptaszek		|  steve@phaze.reston.ingr.com               |
| Intergraph Corporation	|					     |
| Federal Systems Division	|  I'm really not goofing off, I just        |
| Reston, VA			|  work so fast that I'm always finished.    |
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: Jennifer Connelly?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:41:40 GMT

g_cook@idaho2.csd.sgi.com (Gregory T. Cook) writes:

>I don't think she's a model, but she certainly should be... 

>Anyone out there know more about her? She was in a (stupid)
>movie called 'Career Opportunities' 

I love the scene with her on the rocking horse.


--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: cgranfel@lesti.hut.fi (Peter"Pede" Granfelt)
Subject: Re: Who's the most super supermodel?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:49:07 GMT

In <C1E6q6.JEt@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umperuma@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rajes Kingsley Perumal) writes:

>CINDY CRAWFORD of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no one who
>can top her!!!! 


Yes, there is:


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          ####   ######  #    #   ####   #####      #    #    #

Claudia is the only one to top Cindy, I admit... but she IS better.

--
Peter Granfelt
cgranfel@lesti.hut.fi
From: ssarazin@ub.d.umn.edu (Shawn Sarazin)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Playboy Issue?!?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:32:56 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1993Jan22.182424.7212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) writes:
>
>Could someone please tell me the date of the issue of Playboy Cindy
>Crawford was in?  I've gotta find it.
> 
>And also, the issues any other supermodel has appeared in..
> 
>Thanks much!
> 
>


She is in the July '88 issue.  I's only a little t and some bum and thats
all.  My roommate payed $15.00 for it, if that helps ya any.

Sandi Korn is in the March '91 Penthouse and ain't looking too bad. I would
recommend this mag.

Shawn
ssarazin@ub.d.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: brad@bradley.bradley.edu (Bradley E. Smith)
Subject: Re: sc93-05.gif [1/1]
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 02:24:17 GMT

who and where did this picture come?
-- 
Bradley Smith			 brad@bradley.edu ---  309-677-2337
Network & Technical Services @ Bradley University, Peoria, IL

"It's amazing how much scrap metal you get from 4 cans of beer"
From: jrp@netman.Berkeley.EDU (Joshua R. Poulson)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Kathy Ireland
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:30:18 GMT
Organization: Widener University Dept. of Computing Services
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Joshua.R.Poulson@cyber.Widener.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: netman.widener.edu

In article <hunt.728080174@ee.ualberta.ca>, hunt@ee.ualberta.ca (Darren Vincent Hunt) writes:
|> I was wondering if anyone out there knows of all the publications that Kathy
|> Ireland has been in.  I heard rumours that she has appeared in PB.  Is this
|> true?  Does anyone know of any calenders put out with her in them?
|> I know of her appearences in Sports Illustrated, and some Fitness mags, ect.
|> When did she first appear in SI?  Please leave me email and feel free to send
|> any gif's of her if you have any.

Well, she is in the new National Lampoon comedy, Loaded Weapon 1, coming 
out soon. In fact, it features a beaver shot of her.

-- 
Joshua R. Poulson, Systems Programmer, Computing Services, Widener University
jrp@cyber.Widener.EDU, jrp@netman.Widener.EDU, poulson@cs.Widener.EDU, et al.
From: bz316@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce F. Haley)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Jennifer Connelly?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:20:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Also in "The Rocketeer" - she is definitely worth some .JPGs !
-- 
Bruce Haley
bz316
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Great French Supermodel Mag...(Read!)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:22:00 GMT

d1leaf@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik L|fgren) writes:

>The December issue(no.298) of the french photo mag "Photo" is
>completely dedicated to TOP MODELS. Lots of b&w(also color) very
>erotic pics. 

>The following models appear in more than 4 fullsized pics:
>Stephanie Seymour, Cindy Crawford(10), Amber Smith, Claudia
>Schiffer, Anna Nicole (good ones), Helena Chistensen(also on
>cover) and Eva Herzigora.
>Lots of other top models also appear in a page or two.

>Well, guys run to your local international mag store and buy it !!

>/FRED


Scan, scan, scan ..........
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Models
From: crooke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:42:19 GMT
Reply-To: crooke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Does anyone have some scaned pictures of the listed models?:
Eloise Broady
Karen Foster
Brandi Brandt
Ava Fabian
Julie Mc Cullough

If anyone does can they please post them or mail them directly to me at
crooke_A.@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Andrew Crooke
/s
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: morandin@rd.hydro.on.ca (Greg Morandin)
Subject: Pamela Anderson
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 12:32:37 GMT

Does anyone have more Gif's or Jpeg's of Pamela Anderson from Baywatch.
If so can you please email them to me. Pleaseeee!

Thanks in Advance
G. Morandin
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,alt.binaries.pictures.misc
From: arnero@solan.unit.no (Arne Rogndalen)
Subject: JPEG to GIF converter
Keywords: JPEG to GIF converter for UNIX
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:05:27 GMT

Recently there was a posting of a JPEG to GIF file converter for MS-DOS in
alt.supermodels. I wonder if there is a UNIX equivalent out there. I anyone
has a program like this, could they please post it or mail it to me?

Thanx in advance!
From: little_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (jon little)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: jpeg - where & how?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:42:56 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: little_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Hi

Where can I get a jpeg viewer?


Thanks in advance.

Jon Little                little_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

'A dog with three legs will always run faster than a cat with no legs' - R T
Bend
From: reynolds@engr.LaTech.edu (Jeffrey P. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: - Vendela3.jpg (2/2) FEMALE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:43:02 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pulsar.engr.latech.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

[ Article crossposted from alt.binaries.pictures.misc ]
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[ Posted on 21 Jan 1993 22:38:14 GMT ]

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Great French Supermodel Mag...(Read!)
From: Bernard Stern <Bernard.Stern@info.unine.ch>
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:34:52 
Distribution: world
Organization: Universit de Neuchtel
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17X-XXMessage-ID: <A78DD7E0E2010B1E@mac30info.unine.ch>X-XXDate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:35:12 GMTLines: 6

Yep, it's absolutely true. Yet it isn't the first issue devoted to supermodels.
There are also a few "Special Cin!ma" (movie in French) featuring gorgeous 
actresses. It's always a good idea to have a look at the content of this 
magazine. 

Baron Alucard
From: crooke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Ava Fabian
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:58:27 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: crooke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

If anyone has any more pics of ava fabian other than this one I would like to see them posted or sent to me . I am also looking for others that are in my post"models".
If anyone is looking for other pics like these please tell me.

andrew crooke
crooke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: air@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Cindy Crawford and friends...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:31:06 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)


I've read many quotes here and now I'm confused.  Has Cindy Crawford, Claudia
Shieffer, or Stephani Seymour ever taken any nude shots for any magazine??  If
you have a pic of them, cpuld you please pos them here??


---
Chris Chow             Toronto, Ont. CANADA
air@cibbs.UUCP         "...cough...cough....clean air anyone?"
uunorth!cibbs!air
Newsgroups: alt.freedom.of.information.act,alt.privacy,austin.freenet,ba.seminars,comp.org.acm
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.games.super-nes
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:38:07 GMT

In article <28JAN199319012890@loyola.edu> mglicksman@loyola.edu (Michael `SLAM' Glicksman) writes:

>I use a kill file. Please tell me ALL the words that I should include to remove
>messages refering to ....

[list deleted]

>I've tried to include
>everything that I can in my kill file, but d*mnit some messages still get by.

Boy, life sucks, doesn't it?

Try this one (assuming rn):

/snes/M
/nintendo/a:M
c

>I vote YES to a REC.GAMES.VIDEO.SNES group

You don't do anything of the sort, you goof, because there isn't any
such proposal.

>because it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain
>a kill file that removes all references to systems that I don't like.

See above.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.crackers moderated
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:36:43 GMT

Here's an interesting one.  I didn't expect the anon.penet.fi posters
to be able to submit control messages through the double-blind
gateway.  The headers for this message look a bit peculiar -- is that
really a typical "Sender" line for anon.penet.fi postings?  And
where's the usual anonymous signature?  Sven, is this your doing?

Article 63729 of control:
Xref: news.amherst.edu control:63729
From: an7400@anon.penet.fi (alt.crackers)
Newsgroups: alt.crackers
Subject: newgroup alt.crackers moderated
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:50:47 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.crackers moderated
Organization: Secret society of wafer wonders


This newsgroup was to be self-moderated according to the charter discussed
in alt.config. Several attempts have been made to change the group to
a non-moderated one, and the confusion over subject matter demands moderation.

--
an7400@anon.penet.fi
"Chicken on a biscuit"


-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.lang.sas
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:24:34 GMT

Well, it looks like so much for the "!taco!taco!" trick.  Our friend
apparently reads alt.config:

>Path: news.amherst.edu!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!uunet!
>      ferkel.ucsb.edu!taco!samsara!gital.org!static!xavier!mainz!
>      nord.tostit.ca!radler

Eventually they'll discover ways around taco entirely.  Ah, well.
More battle wounds.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: announcing the alt.cabal
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:56:14 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <VIXIE.93Jan24142358@cognition.pa.dec.com>, vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:
> several of the larger sites are having trouble with their 6500-line active
> files and have been looking for ways to trim some of the junk out of them.
> what we've come up with is a completely voluntary subscription-only service
> that will let the "alt" groups be managed from a central source.

  I support this. [Yeah, I know: "Who cares?" I just thought I'd make a state-
ment 8-].

> others
> are welcome to apply; all you need to do is make sure that you are running
> INN and that your control.ctl file contains a few more lines than it has now
> and that your "newsfeeds" is properly set up to accept this new distribution
> without leaking it to people who have not subscribed to the service.

  This confuses me. Suppose I'm out here on the fringes and want the alt.cabal
to manage my collection of alt groups. Will there be a FTP site or email server
where I can acquire a checkgroups at whatever intervals I desire so I can keep
my weird non-INN news software happy?

> i do not intend to enforce personal policies with this mechanism; for example,
> although i think alt.flame and alt.conspiracy are stupid, worthless newsgroups,
> i have no wish to delete either of them.  i do not want to restrict the people
> from their apparently-god-given right to create a chaotic mess of alt groups.

  What will the policy be on the "rmgroup wars" for things like alt.graphics?
For that matter, what about the alt.uu mess? Will there be a mechanism to 
accept sysadmin imput?

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: CFD: alt.toys
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:05:51 GMT


Would there be interest in a newsgroup about toys?

I see such a newsgrup as for childern of all ages.

It could include reviews, information about sources,
tips on usual toys, etc.

e.g.: A great source for cheap toys is
Oriental Trading Company. To get their catalog call
1-800-327-9678.

The most interesting toys I've bought were balloon helicopters ($7.80
per dozen).

- Carl




-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.games.super-nes
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:33:57 MST
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: galt%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City
Distribution: na

In article <C1J815.121@ms.uky.edu>, kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>I recommend that if rec.games.video needs splitting you run a proper
>discussion/vote and keep the new groups within rec.games.

And rec.games.video.super-nes would be best.

If someone does go and create an alt group, how about
alt.games.video.super-nes

It would be nice to have all of the video games under one hierarchy.
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: announcing the alt.cabal
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:43:38
Organization: DEC Network Systems Lab
	<1993Jan26.000435.26038@darwin.sura.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: jmalcolm@sura.net's message of Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:04:35 GMT

> Will you still send your control messages to people who may not follow them?

absolutely not.  the political effects of letting an alt.* control message
go to someone who didn't ask you for it are extremely unpleasant.  i have
no wish to enter into pissing contests with people like this "becker" i keep
hearing about; it's far better for everyone if i only allow control messages
to go to members of the alt.cabal.

> Also, why the restriction to INN sites?

i've been told that the C News "performance release" also has what we need.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: news.answers.d (was Re: alt.answers alternatives)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:13:06 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan21.045858.29037@netcom.com>, jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
|> In any case, if a group gets created I'd like to see an alt.answers.d
|> as well.  I suggested news.answers.d to Kamens twice, by the way, but
|> he shot it down.

More accurately, I stated that I do not see the need for such a group and that
I do not think it would be successful at accomplishing the goals for which Jef
wishes to see it created.  Therefore, I will not spearhead an attempt to get
such a group created.

Last time I checked, it was not my obligation to spearhead the group-creation
process of any news.answers-related newsgroup that someone else thinks is a
good idea.  Furthermore, last time I checked, it was not my prerogative to stop
someone else from using the group-creation process to have such a group
created.

If someone else wants news.answers.d, they can issue an RFD and CFV for it.  If
that happens, I will probably participate in the discussion and perhaps become
convinced that it would be a good idea.  If so, I will vote for it; if not, I
will vote against it.

That's all the say I have in whether news.answers.d gets created.  I do not
have the ability to "shoot it down" if someone else wants it and enough people
support it to get the votes needed.

(Incidentally, the reasons why I do not think news.answers.d is a good idea
have nothing to do with Jef personally.  The group was suggested by other
people besides Jef; in fact, I do not think he was the first to suggest it.  I
will be glad to discuss my reasons, in E-mail, with anyone who wants to know
them.)

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Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                    Moderator, *.answers
From: skulick@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Seth Kulick)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.politics.radical-left
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:37:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I support the proposal to create a group "alt.politics.radical-left"

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