HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson )
Subject: ParNet
Originator: dcr3567@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:53:38 GMT


Howdy Net.Folks!

   Just 'a geekin' out tonight, now that we have 2 Amiga's in the same
room.  While fiddling around with Parnet, we had an idea:
   Is there a way to access someone else's serial port with Parnet? 
We've done a COPY <file> to NET:SER and my modem lights flashed.  CMD
didn't work though.  

   The idea is that roommate could use my modem, and I could use his
DeskJet.  

   Possible?

Thanks,
Dan

-- 
Daniel C. Richardson
Rochester Institute Of Technology     /    Mechanical Engineering Dept.
Before they were called Engineers, they were dubbed Artisans.  Before
one can be considered an Artisan, one must be able to be an Artist.
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Silliness of the day
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:48:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.715736884
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Sep5.171639.27363@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:

>>In article <la865kINN60@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>, Bryan Bayerdorffer writes:

>>> 1. Own A2630 (v6 ROMs)
>>> 2. Boot monitor
>>> 3. Type 't 70000 80000'
>>> 4. Enjoy, rinse, repeat.

>My only problem is that I forgot how to get into the monitor, now.  :)

Have you tried using a screwdriver? ;>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: WOC/A Usenetter's luncheon
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.194227.1531@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) writes:

>Well, just to get the word out, I'm dropping my idea to try and organize
>Usetnetter gathering at WOC, due to almost zero net response.  However, I

Well, if you feel like it after the show, drop in on your poor relations,
the FidoNetters.  We're gathering around the main lobby near the end of the
show on Saturday.


-- 

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NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center | Jeffrey.Grimmett@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
==========    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."   =============
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From: trat@amiganet.chi.il.us (Thomas Reamer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:52:53 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Ok people....All I have to say now is WHY?!  Come on...Take it somewhere else,
I am not in this Netboard to hear how bad Amiga is doing...I love my machine, I
always will, if I want to hear your AMiga is crap lines, I'll go to the regular
message bases, or possibly a war board?  Please stop....It's not meant to be
here.....Thanx!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Looking for Rick Stiles
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:51:15 GMT

In article <65417@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
|Unfortunately, Rick Stiles passed away in July 1992. I was not a
|registered owner of his program so I don't know what his last 
|current address was. However I have heard that his parents were
|completely aware of his Amiga efforts and that they will shortly
|be releasing U-Edit to the public domain. I believe this info to be
|correct. Someone let me know if I'm wrong. How the mechanics of
|this new distribution will work is unknown to me however I believe
|that registered owners of U-Edit were recently sent a letter from
|his parents detailing the sad situation of his passing and their
|plans for changing the status of his product to PD. 
|
	I was a registered owner of UEdit, though I didn't purchase the more
recent updates -- I defected to QED.

	I don't have the letter handy, but the information above is basically
correct.  Mr. Stiles died of colon cancer, and the last extant version of
UEdit is going to be released to the public domain via the Fish disks.

	According to the letter, there were still supplies of printed manuals,
binders and reference cards for sale.  I don't recall the prices or the
ordering instructions...if you're interested, mail me and I'll try to dig up
the letter.

	UEdit was a good program -- my sister still uses it from time to time.
I just couldn't puzzle out the docs to make it do what I wanted it to.


dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com   ...uunet!tronsbox!dfrancis     GEnie: D.HEFFERNAN1
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"I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of everything...haven't
you learned; if it's not happenning to me it's not important?" -Murphy Brown
From: janp@blade (Jan-Pieter Tevel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: A1200
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:14:51 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

There is no mention about a A1200 machine that is supposed to
combine the features of the A600 and the A4000. Amiga Magazine
10/92 (German) mentions Commodore is about to come out with it
, so ... can anyone clear this up ...

Jan-Pieter

---
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                       Cuidado para EL-TIGRE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Reply-To: d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:13:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.001854.21763@cco.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>Kiki Stockhammer in person and various other celebrities :)

   Forgive an ignorant European, but who is Kiki Stockhammer?

>(who isn't making any of this up, really)

   I can't help thinking, that C= has hired a mythomaniac
with an interest in computers.

Magnus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga 500 discontinued?
From: tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us (Tom Denbo)
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:24:40 GMT

rosborn@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan H Osborn) writes:


>	My roommate was calling around about getting a 500 when he was told 
>that the A500 had been discontinued.  Is this true?  I though that the 500
>was Commodores biggest seller.  I also would like to know if any A500's (if
>they are still produced) come with 2.04, or HAVE any A500's come with 2.04.
>							Thanks,
>							Ryan
Check out the article in AW on pg. 44-45.  Shows the new A600.  CBM didn't
listen to the problems with the A600 (still no expansion bus, still
68000).  They did, however, add a 40MB to the HD version.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: A400 questions
Reply-To: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:16:05 GMT

	Well now that the A4000 specs are out (I ftp'd them from physik)
I have a few questions:

	1)  What is the optional SCSI adapter

	2)  How about a full list of the AGA resolutions/colors

	3)  What is the educational price?

	4)  Will I get a free CDTV if I buy one?

	5)  The HD drive seems to be the one the reads/writes the same
          speed as low density ones.  Is this true?
	
	6)  Does it support larger simms, say 16 meg, when they become
	    available?
	
	7)  Does the Toaster fit and work properly?

	8)  Does it come with DiskSalv and is it now copyright by
	    Commodore?

	9)  Is there fringing on the 256,000 color modes?

	10)  Does multiview support JPEG?

	11)  Is the 150 Watt power supply sufficient?  (this never seems
		to be the case)

	12)  What has changed with repect to links?

	13)  Is text automatically cut when selected?

	14)  What are the extended wildcard capabilities?

Well, that's about it.  It's longer than I thought it would be.  Thanks
in advance for any information.  Time to sell the ol
A2000 and take out a loan

			Todd Majotr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:37:05 GMT

	Rumor-mongering ...

neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond) writes:

>chipset. Does this mean that RTG on the Amiga is a myth? I am not going to

	Well, I hate to spread rumors, but this one is just too
good:  time to start the 4.0 rumors!  According to a guy
in the DMI booth, developers weren't allowed to break
many things in 3.0, but are allowed to do anything in
the 4.0 release which will have RTG/DIG.  Now this is
just hearsay and could be completely bogus.  It would
be nice if a Commodore person could comment on what kind
of decisions went into the 3.0 release, with respect to
DIG/RTG and compatibility.

	Didn't Andy Finkel say a while back that 2.0 was called
2.0 because it was expected to break a lot of things?  Perhaps
Commodore's softening up on their numbered releases or DIG/RTG
is going to break just about everything in sight.  Perhaps
it was smarter to have released the AA chipset now so porting
software to a DIG environment wouldn't be as hard when it
does (hopefully) happen.

--Andre

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: MB = More Bitching (was Re: Problems with the A4000)
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.160434.3343@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> You moron.  In case you haven't noticed, a couple of C= engineers have
> stated that IDE is cheaper than SCSI.

Negligably. IDE is only cheaper on the PC because it's designed for the PC
bus limitations.

Whether MB is right or not (based on past performance, I suspect he's... um...
exxagerating) IDE is a dumb idea.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: u9050912@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Jason J. Strudwick)
Subject: Amiga Accounting Packages
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:10:48 GMT

I need to find an accounting package for a business that can handle
debits and credits, debtors age analysis (ie money owed for 30 days, 60
days, 90+ days) and printing out monthly statements, as well as the
other general business activities. I looked at System 3 (not the
executive version - what does that have?) and I have heard of Easy
Ledgers Accounting, but I don't know anything about that.

Any help appreciated.

Jason.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jsaffold@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Saffold)
Subject: Re: Help! My amiga can't walk! (Lost its feet)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.140351.9131@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.ed
 (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.221207.1446@pro-freedom.cts.com> eeb@pro-freedom.ct
.com (Ed Brown) writes:
>>
>> > ...the rubber feet on every A3000 in existence has fallen off.
>>
>>For your edification, the rubber feet on my A3000 are just fine and are
>>still firmly in place.  So there... at least 1 A3000 with solid feet. ;
)
>
>All the feet on my A3000 are still there, so that makes 2.  :-)
>
>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>


 
Well, one of MY feet on my 3000 got lost, the other 3 got glued back on
with  tacky glue..  The 3rd foot on my 3000 is an eraser..:-)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: stefanb@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker)
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:53:27 GMT

tomri@ida.liu.se (Tom Rindborg) writes:
>> (Or wait for Toolmanager 2.0 , this one will bring
>> the revolution on your Workbench...)

>When, oh WHEN??? It should be illegal to tease us like this... :-)

RSN :-) I only have to finish the documentation.

But it's worth waiting for...

	Stefan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: *NEED* a real-time animation player, i.e. from HD
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:28:55 GMT


Hi Matt,

Did your '030 friend have any problems with jerkiness. I have a 3000 but
RTAP seems to jerk no matter what I try. I have seen other people write
to the net with similar problems. What is the lastest version of RTAP.
I can't remember what version mine is.

He had no problem even with a small RAM buffer... BUT he has a 2000 w/ '030
accelerator that flies, 7Mb RAM and nice big HD! 

When I used RTap, I had to find an `optimum' between frame rate and decrunch
priority. I suspect the latter is the most important. Find out what priority
the device controlling your HD is running - you are best using a priority
the same or +/- 1 from this value...

Adjusting the PRIORITY seemed to have more effect immediately than adjusting
the RELTIME framerate. You do need be able to both load data and decrunch
at about the same priority so one of the functions doesn't hold up the other!

As a good start tip anyway, define a BUFFER size as large as you can get
away with too. I use 1500/1600k typically on my 2Mb system.

Good luck!

BTW - my RTap is a pretty low version number...

								- JIM CAD*
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Amiga 500 discontinued?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


;A600 card slot/A500

At least 3 third-party developers are considering card-slot adaptors for
the A500 already, according to UK MD Kelly Sumner...

								- JIM CAD*
From: nh5@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Bizarre Printer Trouble
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:29:40 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Howdy Folks -

I've got a rather interesting problem printing text to the PRT: device (or PAR:
for that matter) from my Amiga 3000.  Graphics dumping works fine (at least
from DPIV), but trying, for instance, 'dir > prt:' never fails to bring back
that old flashing power LED and the inimitable Guru Meditation, always with a
different CPU trap.  

The strange part is that printing worked fine at home with the exact same
programs in WBStartup and the startup-sequence, but it stopped working when I
brought my computer up to school. And even more bizarrely, text printing worked
fine when I booted up with an original WB 2.04 floppy.

Printing works fine from ProWrite 3.2.4.

Contents of WBStartup:

ToolManager, Iconify, Spliner, WindX, IHelp, ClickToFront, CpuBlit, Exchange.

Additional startup progs:

Nickprefs, reqchange

Any help would be greatly appreciated, since I would like to be able to print
out a directory once in a while... :-)

I thought 2.04 was supposed to be Guru free... I guess it was since C= took
'Guru' out of the error message.  But I fooled them - I've still got kickstart
on the hardrive, and I newzaped it and returned the Guru!  Perhaps there was a
reason that they took it out... :-)


Thanks for any help.


	-David 

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From: guru@hotcity.COM (Darren Schroeder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:29:00 PST
Organization: BBS


Well, here is some *true* info, no rumors....

The AA Chipset IS a reality, highest resolution is 640x512x256 (Pal) and
640x480x256 (NTSC). These new chips willl *ONLY* go into the NEW Amigas and
will not go into A500/1000/1500/2000/2500/3000. The new Amigas will be shown at
the World of Commodore in California (starting the 11th of Sep), so if you want
to see'em, be there! Now supposedly these new ones will be 68020/030 models
only, no more 68000 which is good news. Still the same ole 8 bit sound (sigh,
not like our sound is BAD but 16 bit would be nice for pros). What does this
mean? Well, pretty much that all other Amiga will be obsolete in the future. If
we (The current Amiga users) can't use the new chipset and we HAVE to buy one
of the new Amigas to get that chipset, well.. You can figure it out. So unless
they come out with a new CDTV too (No plans on it according to Commodore) CDTV
will also be dead (not like it was really going anywhere anyway which is REALLY
a shame, it could have been so much). So what to do now... I imagine
programmers will still be writing software for the current line of Amigas for
quite some time so we don't have to worry about it dying immediately, but give
it a couple years.. Just look at what happened tothe C64, its just now really
starting to die. What it WILL mean is that the current Amiga prices will drop
tremendously because the will want to get rid of them.. Guess we'll just wait
and see.
From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with the A4000
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:18:19 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <35103@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.083819.17967@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> 
>>   The problem comes down to the architecture of the A4000 itself.  As has been
>>rumored before, several good systems were canceled not long after DevCon '91,
>>a year ago.  What has not been said is that these included all of the systems
>>that Dave Haynie designed that incorporated the AA chipset.  Indeed, none of
>>the new Amiga systems -- including the A4000 -- were designed by him.  They
>>were designed in a rush by junior engineers at Commodore.  
> 
> As usual, Mark is, to put it bluntly, talking out of his ass here.  
> 
> There was ONE system discussed at DevCon, something called I called the A3000+.
> It, like the A4000, was based on the A3000 system architecture and the AA 
> chips.  I had some other goodies put in there, and I had hoped that this would
> go on as a production machine, but it was just a development platform.  We
> did development with it, then moved onto real production.  The A4000 is the
> first fruit of that development effort.
> 

Dave , why was the AT&T DSP taken out of the A4000's design? The new Atari
machines have one. And what were the other things in the A3000+ design
left out of the A4000?


> The AA chipset is hardly "kludged" in.  The form of the AA chipset is something
> me, Greg, and the AA people (Bob Raible and Bill Thomas) discussed at length
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Commodore has only 2 people working on designing new graphics chips? 
I had hoped they'd have 4 or 5. No wonder development is so slow. C='s 
engineering dept is seriously underfunded.


> The inclusion of IDE cost a few months of Joe Augenbraun's time.  Joe was a 
> junior engineer working for Greg (he left C= a little while back to go invent
> HDTV in Princeton or some-such).  Say what you will about IDE's inability to
> address lots of cool devices, I'll agree.  But it cost practically nothing to
> develop, it's a very, very simple interface.  And it costs very little to
> build, it's basically a PAL and a couple TTL buffers, not a full controller
> like SCSI.  IDE was designed to be nearly free to add back when the PClone
> industry whipped it up.
> 
>>   In addition to the costs involved in removing the SCSI subsystem from the
>>A4000's design, 
> 
> We're now having to pay to remove SCSI from the A4000!?!  Buy yourself a 
> clue, man!
> 

Dave, if IDE is so great then why didnt the A3000 design use it. It was
certainly around at the time of the A3000's creation. I also remember you
doing some serious ragging on IDE in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. What changed 
your mind?

                           Thanks
                         Scott Corley

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker)
Subject: New OS upgrade?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:33:59 GMT

     I've heard that there is, or shortly will be, a new upgrade to
the OS.  Could this be why my order for the 2.04 upgrade has been on
backorder for three months?  Will the new upgrade have a different
Kickstart ROM than 2.04?  If not, would I be better off trying to 
locate an "old" upgrade now, or waiting an indeterminite amount of time
for the new one?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: nix@zombie.oulu.fi (Tero Manninen)
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus
Reply-To: nix@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
	<1992Sep9.121526.27883@nntp.hut.fi>
	<1992Sep9.133310.12716@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:44:49 GMT


There is one more problem with SiliconMenus that I haven't seen mentioned.
I get an enforcer hit from SiliconMenu if I take a SiliconMenu selection of
some program that has only one menu in menubar and then I don't select anything
from the menu.

++Tero
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Sep7.073524.11557@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>	He also claimed that it won't work with the old Amigas...this is not
>necessarily true. Remember, the developers don't go out and buy new computers
>every time some new chips come along with new software. The original Amiga
>1000 was developed on some IBM system. 

The majority of the system software for the A1000 was done using Sun-2 
workstations (that's BSD Unix) using a Greenhills cross compiler.  IBM
systems were _not_ used.  The hardware and chip guys used a Prime
minicomputer.

Nowadays the system software development is almost completely on Amigas.

(You might have heard that for a long time EA promoted an Amiga  
 cross-development environment based on the IBM PC; maybe that's 
 what you were thinking of).


>      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN   

		andy

-- 
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"OS/2 is the operating system for the next thousand great applications." -
 one of the things Bill Gates probably wishes he hadn't said.


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