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From: pvb@teal.csn.org (Phillips Bradford)
Subject: Re: Ota Benga - the pygmy in the zoo [concerning the book]
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:34:43 GMT



In article <18dmeoINNbse@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> you write:
>May I ask the
>author if the review accurately reported the book's general
>contents. 

	The review was generally accurate except for a few minor details.
	The photo was taken at the Bronx Zoo, not in St. Louis.
	Ota Benga killed himself in 1916, 10 years after the Zoo exhibition
	not 10 years after St. Louis. And, I think that the book does answer
	some of the questions raised by the reviewer.

>Among my uncertainties were:  how long Ota Benga
>was "exhibited" [ghastly!] in the US, what the time
>frame was of his return, his explanation to others about
>what had happened to him, and the reaction in the US to
>his being put on display.

	Ota was on display along with other Africans, five of which were
	forest people, for 5-6 months in St. Louis, at the Louisiana
	Purchase Exposition (World's Fair) in 1904, July through December.
	He was on exhibit with an orangutan named Dohong at the Bronx Zoo
	for about two weeks in September, 1906. Between these time Ota and
	Verner were travelling together in the heart of Africa.

	There are two people still living who remember Ota Benga as Otto Bingo
	during his Lynchburg, VA, years up to his suicide in 1916. They are
	Chauncey Spencer of Lynchburg and Hunter Hayes of South Belmar, NJ.
	The book contains an extensive appendix of newspaper clippings from
	St. Louis in 1904 and New York in 1906 that describe the reporter's
	views of what various people thought about the incident.

	In Africa, after his return from St. Louis, Ota Benga put Verner on
	display so that African natives could see what had happened to him.

	Another untold story has to do with the African's attempt to tell
	Americans about the genocide that was killing them, when they put on 
	skits in St. Louis, but the Fair visitors only wanted to be 
	entertained.
	
	I am very interested in your analysis and review. The book should be
	available in local book stores convenient to you. Thank you for your
	interest.

				Phillips Verner Bradford
				pvb@csn.org
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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Looking for a book:  _I am Legend_, Richard Mathieson
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:09:00 GMT

Kyle Grieser writes...
>My father has been looking for this book for about 20 years.  Does anyone
>know anything about it?  I'd really appreciate any info you could give
>me.  My dad says that he heard that it was re-published last year, yet
>he still can't find it anywhere....
>-yuf

+---------------------------------------SubG-----------------------------------+
This is gonna sound egregious:  "Have you tried looking in any used bookstores?"

I see battered paperback copies of _I Am Legend_ on a semi-regular basis.
Sometimes just floating there in midair, chanting madly of desire.  Once, 
conventionwise in a paisley swirl dozens of toothsome wenches, naecrous breasts
bouncing in unknown rhythms began to pelt me into unconciousness with 
slavering hordes of _I Am Legend_s, slipping throught the cracks in the
gilt acanthus-leaf tiling in the mysterious musty mouldering underworld,
where...

Oh...terrribly sorry.  Isn't this the "beat" writers discussion?









-SubG
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson) wrote:
> by mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley):
>> I long ago learnt to steer clear of books that were described 
> Any book jacket that proclaims "a young woman's descent into madness."

That would keep you well clear of the tacky sophomore classic "I Never
Promised You A Rose Garden", but unfortunately it would also warn you
off Janet Frame's "Faces in the Water", which is a very much better book.

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From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:38:41 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Sep9.124552.16055@ultb.isc.rit.edu> entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Herland, a turn of the century feminist utopian novel by I can't
>tell you the author's name because I can't find my copy.
>

Charlotte Perkins Gilman, according to the "Marriage is Hell" thread.

michelle


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manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Damned lit yokels
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: portal.11SEP199207341203
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Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
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In article <1992Sep10.195556.20675@infonode.ingr.com>, james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock) "writes"...

>Now, what I want to say is this: you people should quit trying to 
>sound so intelligent and really read something. All this talk about
>books to avoid and best editions of some encyclopaedia. For
>F*ck's sake, loosen up.
> 
Ahhh, finally, someone who can "teach" us something...


Ron 8^\
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:48:44 GMT


Francis Muir writes:
 
        sometimes a Wombat writes:
 
                "In ten years, the penis will be obsolete," he said.
 
        Precisely why I started the androgenous thread
 
This article by Francis was unsigned.  So I'm confused.  Is it Francis,
Fido, Philomath or Mr. Nosebody who won't need a penis in ten years?
 
Mark
 
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: alliteration
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:22:17 GMT

I wrote:

	 "Animals" by  Graheme 

Jane Lean writes:

	Sounds like you mean Graeme Base's "Animalia".  A wonderful book.





That's exactly what I mean.  Thank you.  Now if I could only get my
computer to do what I mean instead of what I tell it ....



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: del_col@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Kaufman and the Beatniks
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:28:11 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College


	I think that  Bob Kaufman's poetry  puts the quietus to the idea
that the Beat genre consists of a cabal of disaffected poseurs. ( He said,
attempting to douse the flame war with high octane gasoline.) 

J. Del Col
From: cruz@lab.ultra.nyu.edu (Nancy Cruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:09:38 GMT
Organization: New York University Ultracomputer Research Lab

In article <1992Sep7.011232.25483@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>In article <JMC.92Sep6154722@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>Indeed I hope someone will tell me what poem "insidious intent" is
>>from. 
>
>Haven't been following this thread, but it is from Eliot's "The Waste
>Land". Of was Eliot quoting someone else?
>
>Paul


It's from "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Tomes for 'Tweens (Was:  thoughts on recent books)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:26:10 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> |> _A Wrinkle in Time_, Madeleine L'Engle
> |> 	I was in the middle of this one when Ms. Klier mentioned
> |> 	it recently. A teenage book, this has an outlook
> |> 	that is clearly, er, Catholic :^)  

Uh, Anglo-Catholic, not RC-- she taught at an Episcopalian school
for years.  

I'd mostly shifted to non-fiction by my teenage years (I think of
_Wrinkle_ as appropriate for 9-10 year old children).  When I did a
stint as a trustee for a *tiny* public library, I thought "tween
fiction" had progressed rapidly -- Cormier's _I am the cheese_, and
Blume's _Forever_ come to mind.

Kay Klier
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From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: Labor Day Novel Writing Contest?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:03:12 GMT

In article <1391@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com writes:
>
>A publishing company up in British Columbia has for several years run a  
>"Labor Day Weekend novel-writing contest."  The premise is that  
>contestants start writing Friday at midnight and end with a novel on  
>Monday at midnight.  The best novel submitted gets published.  You can  
>start with some rough notes and maybe an outline.
>
>Anyone know if they're running it this year?

The bad news is that Pulp Press has given up on the contest, after 14 years
(they're too busy with other books, and the contest was very time-consuming).
The good news is that it's been taken over by Anvil Press, also of
Vancouver, and will be happening starting about one hour from now.

I suspect it is a bit late for you to register now. There is always next year.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
From: v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Looking for books about Gothick Fiction
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


hi folks,

	i'm a grad student at the university of buffalo doing research in
the reception of popular gothick novels and romances at the end of the 18th
and the beginning of the 19th century.  i'm interested in finding some journals
of the period that responded critically and politcally to the popularity of
this genre.

	i'm also looking for places where i might be able to find "penny
dreadfuls", serialized illustrated popular fiction at the turn of the turn
of the century (and a little beyond)--arguably the first comic books.  i'm
mainly interested in primary sources, but would also like to hear about any 
contemporary books or articles written about gothick romances or the cultural 
and political responses to the fiction of this period.


thanks for your time


===============================================================================

martin                    v139hla3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:02:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep9.025620.21746@athena.cs.uga.edu>, fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
# #(Then there's the perennial problem with encyclopedias:  Much of their
# #material has a fairly short half-life, and the annual updates are more
# #trouble than their help is worth in this regard.)
# 
#      Used encyclopedias.  I picked up an 11th edition of the Britannica
# from an old-books place a couple of years ago for $150.  To catch up on
# black holes and neutron stars no two-year-old encyclopedia can possibly
# be as good as this month's _Scientific American_ or the like.  On the
# other hand, for the humanities the ... eighty? ninety? ... year old 11th
# is incomparably better than any edition since.  Signed articles?  Some of
# these are more like inflamatory theses nailed to a door with a dagger.  
# *Ferociously* opinionated and combative -- witty -- marvelous fun.
# 
#                                                -- jf

I'm reminded of the article on American English written by H.L.
Mencken in the 1963 Encyclopedia Americana.

But in general, my experience with the Britannica is that the signed
articles are written by at least significant scholars in the field,
and seem to have been written with at least an effort at showing
all responsible opinions in the field.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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From: jmo@fns-nc1.fns.com (John Otteson)
Subject: Re: Books on Disc
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:12:16 GMT


>In article <qwmnr3#.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Can you imagine having to read these books from a computer monitor?
>>
>Aside from the size and resolution constraints of a CRT, what is it that  
>people dislike about reading books on a computer?  What would be the  
>features in a book-reading program?  Bookmarks, tabs, dog-eared pages?

Well, the smell of a freshly opened new book would be one thing I
would miss.



>In article <qwmnr3#.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Can you imagine having to read these books from a computer monitor?
>>
>Aside from the size and resolution constraints of a CRT, what is it that  
>people dislike about reading books on a computer?  What would be the  
>features in a book-reading program?  Bookmarks, tabs, dog-eared pages?

Well, the smell of a freshly opened new book would be one thing I
would miss.

-- 
John Otteson      uunet!mcnc!fns-nc1!jmo
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: davidf@golem.uucp (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Crawford Kill[sic]ian
Keywords: Oops
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:35:29 GMT

According to [an anonymous r.a.b. member]:
>
>Hello Crawford Killian.  This should be the start of another 
>interesting thread.
>

Thank god I'm not the only one who does this.  I just noticed,
while reading r.a.b, that Mr. Kilian's name, as printed on the
copy of his latest (a review will likely follow the reading
thereof), doesn't match the way I've been spelling recently
while trying to find him at the local library.

My humblest apologies Mr. Kilian; I know how annoyed I get at
misspellings of my name.

- David
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: pas@kepler.unh.edu (Paul A Sand)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:33:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.161209.2985@morrow.stanford.edu> jon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>   [Bonus comment:  I recently tried to think up what would be the most
>marketable book title of all time.  My entry is:  "The Astrological
>Guide to Weight Loss During Sex for Women Who Fall in Love With One Shit
>After Another"]   

Well, I haven't mentioned this in a few months:  an actual title is
Colin McEnroe's _Lose Weight Through Great Sex With Celebrities (the
Elvis way)_.

It's very very funny. Get it, you won't be sorry. However (to return to
Our Topic) you'll have to discount one of those killer blurbs on the
back:

    The *last* self-help book you'll ever need!

... but it's OK, because they're kidding. (Maybe. I haven't bought
any self-help books since.)
-- 
-- Paul A. Sand           | [S]erious people flinch from being associated
-- Univ. of New Hampshire | with the intellectual slum that is the Bush
-- pas@kepler.unh.edu     | campaign, with its riffraff of liars and
                          | aspiring ayatollahs. (George F. Will)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: cs3631ae@triton.unm.edu (Jim Tanzola)
Subject: Re: Marcia Muller's books
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:13:42 GMT
Organization: Disorganization

In article <1992Sep8.024143.2490@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melita L Kennedy) writes:
>I just started reading Marcia Muller's Sharon McCone series.
>I was wondering if someone could give me the internal chronology
>and/or the publishing chronology.  I've managed to read the
>first three in order because the publishing/internal chronology
>are the same, but the book I just started, while the next one
>in publishing order that I've found, doesn't seem to be the next
>internally.  Here's what I have so far:
>
>	Edwin of the Iron Shoes           <-  1977
>	Ask the Cards a Question          <-  1982
>	The Cheshire Cat's Eye            <-  1983
  SKT   Games to Keep the Dark Away       <-  1984
  SKT   Leave a Message for Willie        <-  1984
>	There's Nothing to Be Afraid Of   <-  1985
  SKT   Eye of the Storm                  <-  1988
  SKT   There's Something in a Sunday     <-  1989
  SKT   The Shape of Dread                <-  1989
  SKT   Trophies and Dead Things          <-  not sure 1990 ?
  SKT   Where Echoes Live                 <-  1991
  SKT   Pennies on a Dead Woman's Eyes    <-  not sure 1992 ?

  Added titles are marked with my wife's initials (SKT).  Dates are added
courtesy of the Albuquerque Chapter of 'Sisters in Crime' a group of Ladies
dedicated to the reading and discussion of mystery books by female authors.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wonderful Life
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:35:40 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu

In article <1992Sep11.154229.6691@iscsvax.uni.edu>, klier@iscsvax writes:
>>>As far as I know, the paleozoologists think that Gould is pretty much on
>>>the money (barring later corrections).

>This is based on conversations with several paleozoologists at AIBS a
>few years ago.  

And my dissent is based on what gets published.  Obviously no one is going
to publish a paper merely agreeing with a reconstruction, but reviews and
surveys provide a chance to air such views, and agreement with Gould seems
lacking.

>> That's simply false.  Gould's philosophical views in WL are a minority
>> among Cambrian specialists.  Briggs and colleagues, for example, recently
>> published a rather detailed (ie, quantitative) dissent regarding Gould's
>> claims of higher diversity then versus now.

>Um hm.  This is the way science progresses.  Someone puts out a hypothesis,
>tested to a certain extent, and others try to see how it works in 
>slightly different circumstances and slightly different interpretations.
>Reconstruction of populations from fossils is a fairly speculative
>pursuit, and changing underlying assumptions slightly may change the
>interpretation of the data.   That is a valid way of examining data.

Meanwhile, paleontologists know this, and are a rather conservative lot,
and hence did not, in general, jump on the Gould WL bandwagon.

>> Moreover, it is simply unknown when certain modern phyla arose.  Gould
>> just assumes that they all arose during the Cambrian explosion.
                          ^^^
>Not by my reading...

It's somewhat ambiguous.  Gould states (WL, p60) that no new phyla is a
post-Burgess phenomenon.  He does not state when he assumes they all arose,
but on rereading I consider my phrasing a minimal distortion of what he
wrote.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ken Kesey's latest
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:48:01 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 18880@morrow.stanford.edu, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
=Chuck Smythe writes:
=
=	Cameron Laird writes:
=
=		Any early returns on Mr. Kesey's first novel in decades?
=
=	Last week's _NYT Book Review_ trashed it.
=
=Pity no-one thought to trash Mr Kesey himself some time ago. He is pond 
=scum.
=
=							Fido					

Really? Why? I know very little about him, and as I enjoyed One Flew Over
The Cuckoos nest, I'm intrgued.

Cheers,
C
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wonderful Life
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:00:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

My main problem with WONDERFUL LIFE was his analogy of the vcr.  What's
on the tape is pre-recorded.  When you rewind and play it again, you 
see the same thing you saw before.  What he was *trying* to describe 
was a Monte Carlo simulation.

Obviously, I'm not a paleontologist, but a physicist.

	Larry "In training" Hammer
--

                                \  "The work is rather too light, and bright,
LNH@physics.arizona.edu          \  and sparkling; it wants ... a long chapter
The insane don't need disclaimers \ of solemn specious nonsense." --Jane Austen
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: ... on Miss Manners (cough)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:31:36 GMT

amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:

>I adore Miss Manners.  I have all three of her books (you should read
>_Miss Manners' Guide to Rearing Perfect Children_ even if you don't
>have any) and refer to them constantly, both as a reference and a
>source of humor.  
>
>Have you read any of Judith Martin's other books?  She has two novels,
>_Gilbert_ and _Style and Substance_, and a collection of essays called
>_The Name on the White House Floor_.  They're all good.

	I've mentioned this one before but since it is one of my
favorites of Judith Martin I will do so again. Several years ago
Judith Martin gave a lecture at Harvard, sponsored by the school of
Government, and the lecture was published as _Common Courtesy: Or,
where Miss Manners solves the problem that puzzled Thomas Jefferson_
(that's the subtitle rendered from memory). It is very brief, about 80
pages, and is completely out of print; however, it should be in any good
public or academic library. I highly recommend it. I think that Martin
is so effective as Miss Manners because she has a very profound
understanding of the necessity of etiquette. Her theories were nicely
explicated in an article in the _American Scholar_, "I think,
therefore, I thank", about two or three years ago. (exact citation
available on request).

	The column in today's Boston Globe from the aggrieved newly
weds who had not received gifts from  12 of the 55 people attending
their wedding is priceless, both in their whiny sanctimoniousness and
in Miss Manner's reply.

Keith
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