From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS (J. LAWEN a PALESTINIAN)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:25:04 GMT
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In article <1993Jan10.213438.10060@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1iqac5INNfuh@life.ai.mit.edu>, steel@gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan8.160737.10004@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>I am a Lebanese ..
>>>only....  What have the Arabs done for us, except force Palestians
>>>unto our land ...
>> 
>> OUR LAND?  From the article you just posted on soc.culture.jewish,
>> you show that YOU ARE A PALESTINIAN YOURSELF. Your family
>> migrated form Occupied Palesitne a couple of generations ago to Lebanon.
>> 
>In the article in SCJ, I suggested that my family migrated from
>Israel (or Palestine, what ever name you want to use),

>This is only a suggestion.  People did migrate and become part of the
>population long ago.  AND NOT THE OCCUPIED PALESTINE...get your facts
>straight.  

At least you migrated and had the chance , the Palestinians you appear
to hate had to say in migration.  They were tortured and forced
to flea their homes , not to OUR lebanon only but to syria
and Jordan.

GET MY FACTS STRAIGHT?  SO YOU MIGRATED FROM ISRAEL NOT PALESTINE?
I ASSUME YOU CAME FROM GERMANY, RIGHT?


>Who is forcing them to live in refuge camps.  The PLO and the

Let me give you a little info you may not be familiar with.
In May 1948 , the president of Lebanon, Bshara Alkhouri, gave
Lebanese Citizenships to all Christian Palestinians on the spot.
The ones that are in refugee camps and not there by choice.  The
Lebanese Law does not grant them hardly any rights.   It is written
in the Lebanese law that a Palestinian may not drive a pickup truck,
nor he may work as an Engineer, nor he may own a house.

My neighbours are Palestinains, renting in Tripoli,  they wanted
to buy a pick up truck to operate their business that is run
in the refugee camps, they had to put the truck in some Lebanese woman's
name in order to be able to make a living.


>Arab Legue (and other wealthy Arab nations), have enough money

Screw the arab league.  What do they care about?  If the cared,
they would not have left our Lebanon burn for 16 years.

>to house these Palestinians anywhere they please.  The PLO and the
>Palestinians have other intentions. (ie...with Israel).

OF COURSE, with israel, they want their country back.  Israel is
illegaly established on it, you know that.  Israel came from
Germany, Yemen, Russia, ...etc.

I guess you John are happy, Israel displaced Palestine  after your
family had left.  I wonder if you had to live in those refugee camps
due to country theft what would be your stand!!


>EXCUSE me....no one is more Lebanese than I am.  My family and I have invested

Well it is nice of you to be so caring about our country, but you
shouldn't throw flames at people that live in Lebanon and born there,
and love Lebanon as well.  When Israel invaded Lebanon, it was
the Palestinians along with Hizbuallah and Almurabiton that gave 
their souls to defend it.   I agree, PLO's leadership stink, but 
they faught to survive and liberate their home land.

>"Hammdallah ghal al-salammeee"
"Hammdallah al-salammeee"


>Who the hell are you mr. jle to say that these people are more Lebanese
>than I am.  You have the nerve....HA (What does your initials stand for?)

They stand for John Elghani.

>Most of them do not want to be Lebanese.  They are the Palestinians,
>and want to be Palestinians, and NOT Lebanese.  It is not up to me

They love being Lebanese as well as Palestinians.  As long as
they are struggling to Liberate Palestine, they are Lebanese, Syrians,
Jordanians, they are our people and we cannot let DOGS eat their flesh.


>to decide if we should except them to becoming Lebanese.  The Armin
>population in Beirut were given citizenship.  It is up to the Lebanese
>government to decide.  I might have been born in CANADA,
>but my soul was born in LEBANON.  


YES ONLY CHRISTIANS.   Let me inform you,  George Habash, a Palestinains
Christian like yourself, is a PLO leader, he heads the PFLP.  He
is a Lebanese and got lebanized like yourself.  He can run for
the president of Lebanon, but 75% of the lebanese (muslims) cannot.

>same origins.....but presently I AM LEBANESE, and YES the Palestinians
>are my far distint cousins, maybe.  Who knows, maybe my great,great,great
>grandmother was of Irish orgin...what do you think?

I guess Yassir Arafat is not Palestinian like you, his great grand
mother is Egyptian.

>My greatgrand father didn't spend hard-acking labour in the states, and
>elsewhere to buy land in Lebanon, lots of land, to grow olive trees,
>to grow wheat to feed his family
>...for someone like you and others to take it away.

I am proud of your father, but does he hate his origin?

>Your opinion is greatly appreciated.  Facts don't hold though. 

You are a great person, but need to be a little sympethetic to people
you only heard Kataeb propaganda against.   Be fair and talk to
one of those people from the refugee camps.

>P.S.  What nationality are you of?  Just curious...I cannot presume anything
>around here....

I am Lebanese, from Tripoli, and I don't hate Palestinians just
the normal Lebanese that are not brain washed by Israelis.  :)

jle
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