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From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Falcon operating system...
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:14:32 GMT

In <718646113.15685@minster.york.ac.uk> andrew@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>What improvements have been made to the Desktop and GEM(ugh!)?
>Does the operating system make use of the DSP for it's own processing (perhaps
>window management or bitblts?) or will the chip sit unused except for the
>occasional application designed specifically for the Falcon?

I can only speculate on this on the basis of what I saw and heard
at the Atari Messe: The Falcon's OS doesn't seem to make much use
of the DSP itself. However, there are going  to  be  OS  function
enabling an application enter a DSP program into a queue, the DSP
will then execute it as soon as  it's  finished  with  the  other
jobs.
Using the DSP for blitting purposes seems a bit strange to me  as
there  also  is  a blitter in the Falcon. Regarding other uses of
the DSP, I assume they can be added by device  drivers  (cf.  the
discussion about a say() call).

>I heard that it will have two O.S.'s.  One which is used as on other ST's and
>another multitasking version called MiNT (Mint is NOW Tos) and then this
>will have its own multitasking desktop.    It was a long time ago that I read
>this so I may be completely wrong but I would like to be clarified.  

Yes, at least at the Messe they said the Falcons were going to be
shipped  with a single tasking TOS (4.0?) in ROMs and MulitTOS on
disk. This way, they argued, MTOS could be  updated  and  patched
easier  than  if it were in ROMs, and users could have the choice
beween single and MultiTOS, allowing them to run application that
crash under MTOS until they can get updated versions of them.
The MTOS desktop  will  have  some  changes  and  extensions  for
multitasking  purposes  of course, but from all I've seem so far,
it didn't seem that different from the TT's TOS.

Greetinx, Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
Keywords: C MarkWilliams
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:09:28 GMT

As someone else on the net posted a while ago, Borland doesn't seem to
want there to be an English version of the Pure C manual out of pure
spite.  There certainly isn'y any *economic* reason to deny English-
speaking ST users an English manual -- it's not like the product
actually competes with Borland's Turbo C on the PC!  Frankly, if I
ever do buy a PC (yecccchhh!!!), I will certainly remember Borland's
churlishness in this regard when considering software purchases.

Garth Wood


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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tramiel's got the spirit (was: New Mac Prices)
Keywords: IBM PC Kovarski Atari
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:43:56 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

jmillar@brahms.helios.nd.edu (jay millar) writes:

>Please, Mr. Kovarski, don't waste our (actual Atari users) time with your
>obnoxious, inane, and above all, irritating commentary on Atari.

>I am posting this message to see if I am not alone in my opinions.


Please just put Kovarski in your kill file... he'll crawl back under his
rock as soon as people stop talking about him.


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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: german to english translator
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:07:02 GMT

esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>is the author of ger2eng19 on the net? 
>has there been an update to this program?
>
>thanks for any info!
>
>--- eric
>-- 
>HOME: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us  HAM  ka1eec
>WORK: 617.630.4687 (w)   esj@ruby.polaroid.com
>source of the public's fear of the unknown since 1956

Yes, he certainly is. I will let him know about your message (call
him). Their institution had some problems with receiving mail, hence
he couldn't read all the messages.

Mark K.
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Unix Windows on a Sun 4
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:28:35 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Oct9.163129.7209@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu>, ken@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Ken Sallenger) writes:
> In <k+qzx3d@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli) writes:
> 
> =>   Hi.  I was wondering if anyone has gotten the server end of UW to compile
> =>and run on a Sun 4 machine.  We used to have Sun 3's at RPI but now we have
> =>all AIX RISCs and Sun 4 machines, and I haven't been able to use it since.
> 
> I had some glitches under both SunOS and BSD 4.3, although it compiled fine
> under SunOS 4.0.3.
> 
> I found an updated server, along with the Mac UW, at emx.utexas.edu,
> in the directory /pub/mnt/source/mac/uw-4.2.
> 
> This has been working very well for me.

This is correct.  I was using the Mac server on a Sun 4 (using
SunOS 4.1.1 I think) with no problems.  I don't log into the Sun 4
anymore so I don't know how well behaved it is now.  I was under the
impression the the uw port for the ST is several revisions behind
the Mac's so that might be your problem.

Cheers,
Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kervel@cs.utwente.nl (Rinie Kervel)
Subject: Re: C compiler test (TC 2.0, LC 5.52, GCC 2.1)
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:35:50 GMT

I think it is silly to base your verdict on one program (MGIF).
As this is a graphics program it's structure may differ from
ordinary programs.

In a recent test in ST-Computer (6/92) Pure C beats Lattice
clearly.

How about testing compilers compiling MINT or (if you're ambitious)
the C part of the SPEC benchmark.
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MEGA4 info....
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:08:48 GMT

Anyone know what TOS version I probably have in my old MEGA4?  What's generally
wrong with this versionand why wouldI ever want to change?


			-Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Subject: Re: JUST THE FAX, FOLKS.
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:13:19 GMT

bill.merik@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bill Merik)  writes:

>Thanks to all for their very helpful responses. I will probably exchange
>the USR for a Supra. Unless Joppa is planning to update their
>software...??
>Bill
>

Bill:

I'd recommend switching to a Supra, as you seem to plan to.  It works
flawlessly with the Joppa STraight FAX software, and it's a classy
chassis, to boot.  It's nice being able to FAX stuff around to my
office if the gang's in a pinch on any days off I have.

                                                                                                      
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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MacSEE/MacRead info wanted
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:14:06 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <BvtF2B.EGB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff) writes:
>
>	I'd like any info about MacSEE or MacRead that any of you might
>know.  Are they the same program, or do they just do the same thing?  My
>father has an ST and a Macintosh SE, so whatever ST program can
>read/write mac disks from the ST desktop is what he needs.

MacRead is the predecessor to MacSEE.  I've never seen MacSee, but it's
supposed to have a GEM interface.  MacRead is only text.  MacRead is also
in the public domain.  I don't know if it's at atari.archive though.

I'm not into the Mac<->ST stuff so I don't know how either perform.


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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STOS updates for Falcon/TOS2
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:54:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: evilandi@VNET.IBM.COM's message of 14 Oct 92 13:56:49 GMT

In article <9210141414.AA18018@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> evilandi@VNET.IBM.COM ("Andrew Oakley") writes:
>   Does anyone know if Mandarin/Jawx software have any plans to update the
>STOS BASIC suite of programming tools to make them compatible with the new
>Falcon, or indeed TOS2?
>   If so, will there be a complete re-write of STOS ("FLOS"!?!) to take
>advantage of the Falcon's full capabilities, or will it be another patch?

Personally, I would like to see a totally new version, rewritten in the style
of AMOS, ie with a proper edit/run environment rather than the old 8-bit basic
type environment. I would like a version which would be able to produce
programs to run in a single-tasking mode (eg for writing games) or to produce
a more serious style application to multi-task under MultiTOS. But then that's
just another item on my wish list...

I'm not even sure if Mandarin/Jawx are serious about supporting the ST any
more. Witness the years of delay of the release of STOS 3D while they worked
on getting ALL the AMOS suite out the door.


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From: mikhil@Prag.docs.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon in Sweden
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:51:17 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: prag.docs.uu.se

jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:

>In <1992Oct11.211022.3122@kth.se>, Johan Smros writes:

>>>Has anyone heard which company will be the new generalagent
>>>for Atari here in Sweden ? It seems to take years before they
>>>have decided. I could buy my Falcon from another country though
>>>but it is always nice to see the thing with your own eyes before 
>>>you buy it, to be sure that it holds up to its promises.

>>
>>Unfortunately there will probably be no "generalagent" in Sweden before
>>christmas :-(
>>
>>Johan
>>

>In Norway, there seems to be at least two general agents. One mainly aming at 
>the games marked and another aiming at the musician marked!

Can you buy a Falcon in the stores in Norway ? Has the marketing
begun ? Any ads in magazines ? Who are the "generalagents" ? Which business
are they into, the electrical, electronical or pure computerbusiness ?
It seems a good idea to have two generalagents, one aiming
at the games market and one at the more professional side such
as professional musicmaking.
___________________________________________________

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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:45:42 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

I too would recommend fast basic, particularly if you can get the
cartridge version.  Personally I have always found assembly language
on the 68k series to be very easy to code and I almost always write
pure code for my applications, but obviously this wouldn't suit
everybody.  The assembler that comes with fast basic is pretty
adequate but not wonderful, although I find that the mix of an
interpreted basic and machine code is perfect for program development.

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: Archive 2150S etails..
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:08:09 +0000


In article <1992Oct9.045316.6869@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, smclane@nrtpa037.bnr.ca (Steve McLane x1602) writes:
>
>  Ok I got everything working now.. I had 2 bad 2150s but managed to get 1 working. What is the correct Tapebios.inf time delay??

    i was told that this is a bus arbitration problem. It was explained to
me but, sorry, i didn't remember it well. Something along the lines of the
bus not getting released or summit (i must get a memory upgrade for my brain
:-)
It would require a fix to tapebios, not the Viper. At least you have the
source.

>  Thanks to all
>     Steve McLane   smclane@bnr.ca
>
>PS: I also tried a Archive 5945C / emulex mt0210403 but had no sucess, any ideas??
>PSS: can you get 250MB from a 2150s with 6250 tapes??
>     Thanks...

    Dunno.

    Adam.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Walsh)
Subject: Re: uucp for TOS
Organisation: Amalgamated Durables
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:36:20 GMT

In <1992Oct13.170021@helix.nih.gov> rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable) writes:

>In article <2627@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dunham@devnull.mpd.tandem.com
>(Jerry Dunham) writes:

>|> I don't even know what UUCP is, and here I am asking how to get it. 
>I do
>|> understand that UUCP is required for me to be able to transfer files
>bet-
>|> ween my Atari ST and a friend's Unix system, though, so this is my
>first
>|> step. 

>Actually, you don't need UUCP; that's simply one option.  You can also
>various 'binary' file transfer protocols such as XMODEM, Kermit, etc.

>UUCP can be convenient, as the file 'copy' operation is done in the
>background on the Unix host, and can be automated.  However, I have
>access to Unix host which has both XMODEM and Kermit; I have obtained
>many ST programs from the atari.archive by (1) ftp to local Unix host,
>(2) XMODEM download to ST.  I don't recommend UUCP (Unix-to-Unix CoPy)
>unless you have NO other alternative, and I am doubtful if there is an
>ST version of this somewhat complex Unix software suite.

>P.S.  If you just want text transfer, all you need is a terminal prog
>      with text-capture (to file) feature.

>	Rick Venable

True, but UUCP also allows you to send and recieve mail and UseNet news
directly from and to your Atari ST/whatever. A package does exist (in
fact several do, if I remember rightly). One is called Mercury UUCP (I may
have the name wrong), and I think one exists called Taylor UUCP. A UUCP
connection is a little difficult to set up, however, but once you've done
it, it is fairly straightforward to use - just like using mail and news on
a 'normal' unix system.

I have no experience of using UUCP, but from what I've read of the
Mercury UUCP documentation, it has the whole compliment of unix UUCP
packages, including uux (execute a command on a remote system) and
several others. The package is available on the atari.archive.

If you don't actually need a News or Mail feed, then [XYZ]MODEM/Kermit that
you'd get with a normal terminal comms package is probably better.
-- 
rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie
Robert Walsh
Student Computer Research Group
Trinity College, Dublin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kpetouss@cs.ruu.nl (Kos Petoussis)
Subject: HELP! Stuck in some Fantasy games
Summary: HELP ME OUT WITH THESE GAMES !
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:27:30 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: CSB, LoF, Eden, Phant I


   Those stupid games... Why do I play them ?
   Please help me if you know any answers to the following riddles:

Legend of Faerghail:
  What is it, that not many like, but directs even the greatest of
  King's actions.  It's much like a sword, but it never draws blood
  even though wounding thousands. It thieves no-one but it does make rich.
  It spans the whole earth and makes life fit.  The greatest Kingdoms
  it has founded, and built the oldest of them all, but never has it begun 
  a war and the peoples who trust in it will live in plenty for ever more...
I know the answers to the two others: fire & stairs. But this one ??


Chaos Strikes Back:
  After that Demonical Demon Director and seven dragons, hellhounds and golems,
  I reached the altar room with the corbum of the way of the Fighter.
  But every time I try to take it out, a panel activates under my feet and I
  keep falling down.
How do I get the corbum out ??? Is there some secret button, then where?


Knightmare:
  After the sewer enterance, the spider leg, where is the exit ?


Return to Eden (part II of the Silicon Trilogy):
  I am on a tiny island at the brink of an awe-inspiring waterfall
  shrouded in spray. The only exit is down -
  leading to a sure death. 
  I have a dry bulb, a pill, spade, tubers, and a stem.
If I have to make a parachute with the bulb, then how? How do I get to 
the city of Eden?


Phantasie I:
  I have visited the Gods, collected all the runes except WATER. 
  I can't find it. Do you know where it is ?

Auto Duel
  I just screwed up a disk of Auto Duel, that brilliant sim by Lord British
  Problem is: I had no backups and the disks are not mine. I borrowed them
  from a big strong Fantasyfan who will be pissed. If he ever finds out, he'll
  probably format my head until it is has 3 1/2" size...
  So if you have a copy left somewhere... please inform me.



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From: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: C compiler test (TC 2.0, LC 5.52, GCC 2.1)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:31:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8erRI7e00VoqM5L2Z8
	<Bw5t8o.J8G@sci.kun.nl>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 15-Oct-92 Re: C compiler test
(TC 2.0.. Sander Stoks@sci.kun.nl (647)

> Jeez, I always thought TurboC 2.0 was BY FAR the best C-compiler ever
> designed. Are you very sure about these figures? I read a review on
> C-compilers for the ST (a long time ago) which compared Lattice, Turbo
> C (version 1 back then, I believe), Mark Williams and Laser C (maybe
> one other too) and Turbo won it by far: Fastest code, shortest code,
> fastest compilation. 

> To think I was already in the process of buying me a copy of PureC...
> I reckon I'd better check out GCC, huh?

> Still think there's something wrong with these figures, though. Are
> you sure you didn't forget some optimization switch or something?

> Sander SToks
> sanders@sc.kun.nl


Don't forget: Turbo C generates good code from ground up. So that 
it feels it doesn't need an optimiser. But sometimes a good optimiser
can make you win some time (and some place).
Don't forget also that GCC is a huge C compiler designed for Unix for
professionnal use, written by a lot of men, etc...: it has an optimiser, and
a very complex one: that's why it may get a real improvement over Turbo C

You should check out GCC if you have room on your HD: it's becoming
the de facto standard on ST (and unix) if you use MiNT and other unix-
like utilities. And it's FREE ! (and has a good debugger although not as user
friendly as PureC's one)

	Stefan

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From: cordes@ac.dal.ca (John Cordes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Sending file from CIS -> InterNet
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:34:04 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BvvExG.CvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.183230.9367@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
> :^) In article <Bvv9Fu.9pt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William  
> Magro) writes:
> :^) >In article <1992Oct9.083146.8035@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca (John  
> Cordes)  
> :^) >writes:
> :^) >:^) 
> :^) >:^)  I'm wondering if someone on CompuServe can send a file to an  
> InterNet
> :^) >:^) address? Anybody know? 
> :^) >:^) 
> :^) >
> :^) >I think the best way would be to send mail _to_ compuserve and look  
> at the  
> :^) >return address.  Mail to compuserve can be addressed as:
> :^) >
> :^) >35476.11@compuserve.com
> :^) >
> :^) >for user 35476,11 for example.  Commas are replaced by periods.
> :^) 
> :^) Yeah, that's right, but the original poster wanted to go the other
> :^) direction.  It can be done.  I know.  My parents send me e-mail all
> [...]
> 
> Read more closely.  I suggested sending mail from internet to compuserve,
>      ***********************************************
> then *!!!!!!!!looking at the return address!!!!!!!!* to figure out how to
>      ***********************************************
> send from compuserve to internet.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Bill

 Thanks Bill, and to several others for your replies. The problem was not 
simply one of sending email from CIS to the Internet, however, but a 
(uuencoded) file, probably over 100K in size. I was asked if this was 
possible by somebody on CIS, who would like to send me a file. I presume 
the answer is not completely obvious, even to a CompuServe user, since the 
person who asked the question is a very competent fellow indeed!

 As far as I can tell at the moment, the concensus seems to be that it _is_ 
possible to send a text file, but there may well be limitations on the 
allowed size, so a larger file may have to be broken up into pieces. If 
anybody knows the actual mechanics of how to go about sending a _file_ from 
CIS to Internet, I'd appreciate hearing about it; then I can pass the info 
along.

 Thanks again to you all for your interest and help.


John Cordes, Dept. of Physics,
Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S.,
Canada  B3H 3J5       Internet: cordes@ac.dal.ca
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Warp 9 updates sent to a.a.
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:30:56 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


From Juxtaposer (I think baffoni@aludra.usc.edu)

	Hi all,

	I just uploaded three files to A.A. that will update Warp9 versions
3.70, 3.71, 3.72 -> 3.73.

	The files are in atari/New, and are appropriately called:
"w9371upd.lzh"  	3.70 -> 3.71
"w9372upd.lzh"		3.71 -> 3.72
"w9373upd.lzh"		3.72 -> 3.73

	The updates fix a couple of bugs (Gee, go figure), but they do NOT
work on versions previous to 3.70 (if you have Extend-O-Save, you can use
'em).

-Mike

=-=-=-=-=-=

A little addendum from moi:

For those of you who don't know, Extend-O-Save is the new feature of the
CodeHead's Warp 9.  It's like After Dark on the Mac and Windows in that
it enables the user to load different screen saver modules.  The 
documentation for the modules is freely distributable.  The upgrade from
3.6x to 3.73 must be obtained directly from CodeHead (or European 
distributor I suppose, if there is one) and costs $15.

To put it simply, the screen saver is great!



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