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From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 15:00:17 GMT


  Recently I acquired two CD's from Unsurpassed Masters series #4 and #5.
It cost me quite a lot and I have mixed fillings.  Some stuff is great,
but many takes hardly differ from the known (official ?) versions
 - mainly by the lower quality.  Nevertheless I am not disouraged
and I'd like to get more bootlegs, but this time I'd rather know
in advance what is the content of particular CD.
I checked in the bookstore the book containing 'definite' discography,
but the songs are listed according to the date of recording (!), so
it's difficult to figure out what is the particular record contains.

  Can anybody post the list of songs/takes from other bootlegs ?

                                             Paul Penczek.
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:36:57 GMT
Subject: Re: fantasy:Digital 8 track release.
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

> 
> Just imagine being able to listen to the individual tracks at your
> leisure and then manipulate them at will.
> I'm sure to get flamed by the purists out there but I just had to float
> this idea.

There is an even better use for this. I have listened to the entire 'Dig
It' on a boot, and it is very interesting, except for the fact that Yoko
Ono is screaming during all but the very end, the part that was
officially released. If only that noise could be filtered out. Why did
Yoko scream so much on the unreleased tracks? Did she really think that
she was being innovative? It is really annoying how much of the
unreleased stuff is ruined because of her.

Tom
From: hoffmann@rwzl01.zld.rws.nl (Rob Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: The Beatles return (3/4)
Keywords: beatles
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:47:42 GMT
Organization: Dutch Min. of transport Zeeland, Middelburg


No news in the FabFour group! Too bad, so try this....

Some days ago, Paul announced that the Beatles will participate in
a documentary project for the BBC (if I'm not mistaken). He mentioned
the possibility of making music again and maybe "revive" the Beatles.
Personally, I don't think new projects of the Beatles will do much
good to their 'old' reputation. It's best to leave the old Lennon/
McCartney work in peace. Anyone (dis-)agrees?

Rob. 
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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: The Beatles - an Anthology
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:00:38 GMT


The January Beatles Monthly Book has a long feature in the new news
bit about the video compilations.

Based on a talk with Derek Taylor it give a new title - this posting -
and hints at release.

:-)

Merry Xmas!

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"


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From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: john sinclair
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:44:22 EST

BHIf I'm remembering correctly, John Sinclair was the founder of the
BHWhite Panthers, a Detroit-area militant radical group modeled
BHafter the Black Panthers [not such an uncommon tribute in the late
BH60s and early 70s -- my favorite was the Grey Panthers, a militant
BHsenior citizens group that sounds like a joke but was actually
BHvery serious and played a large role in the fight for things like
BHeliminating mandatory retirement ages] whose membership were white
BHyouth.  They were pro-drug so the marijuana arrest seems not
BHunlikely. ---

John Sinclair, whom I knew personally, was also the manager of the
MC5.  He wrote the linernotes to the band's 1st album (recorded live
at The Grande Ballroom) and, I believe, was the one who coined the
phrase "Kick out the jams, motherfuckers."

>>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>
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From: djs@sadtler.com
Subject: Off The Ground ( was Up From The Ground ) Repost
Organization: BIO-RAD Laboratories
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:37:00 GMT

I typed in the wrong album title in the first post, here it is reposted with
the proper title of the album.  Sorry.

Today I received a poorly recorded dub on cassette of Maccas new album.  
Tomorrow I will post comments.  For now, I can say that the album is 50 
minutes in length and "Hope Of Deliverance" is the weakest song on the album.
Why he is going to release it as the first single is beyond me.

-- 
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post += disclaimer;                   Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia 
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From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Yipee! I got my P. McC tickets!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:35:43 GMT

.. for Wednesday, March the 9th 1993, at the MCG, Melbourne. No real
news there, but I just thought I'd share my elation with the rest of
you.


Daniel Bowen
-- 
Daniel Bowen, Monash University |  "We all live in a mellow submarine..."
            Melbourne Australia |
   daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au |                         The Jamaican Beatles
      TCWF: tcwf@gnu.ai.mit.edu |                                    [TCWF126]
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 2 Jan 1993 05:01:23 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

In article <C074z0.AKo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>You mention the "neutered Disney Channel version" of "The Making of Sgt.
>Pepper".  Was Disney's version edited as compared with the BBC's?  I've
>only seen the Disney one.  How much more is there to the full one?

Musically, there was no difference between the two versions.  The main
segment which was excised consists of a discussion of how drugs influenced
the album, and came immediately after the 'Lucy' playback.  However, Disney
did replace some of that time with other footage not in the British version.
The net difference in time is a little over a minute.  (Disney's is shorter)

The segment that was excised basically consists of interview clips with each
of the three Beatles + George Martin.  A brief summary follows:

Paul says that the drug scene is a much heavier thing then it used to be,
and that he doesn't feel comfortable discussing the "psychidelic era" and
marijuana / LSD in light of crack and glue sniffing.

George says that LSD and pot do effect the way musicians see / feel the
music..."I mean, marijuana was just like having a couple of beers, really, but
LSD was more like going to the moon"

Ringo says that they learned quickly that they could not *play* on acid, so the
inspiration from those recreational drugs was kept separate from the creation
of the music.

Paul (in a priceless quote): "Famous old story of one of the cleaners at the
Hammersmith Odeon saying 'That Ray Charles must be a mean old git, y'know,
I just saw two of his musicians in the toilet sharing a cigarette! He can't
pay them anything!'"

George Martin describes their use of Pot in the studio, and how they would
never do it in front of him, instead sneaking off to the 'loo' or canteen, and
returning with beaming faces.

Also cut is a segment where Paul, George and Ringo describe one time John
thought he was taking an aspirin, but accidentally took a tab of LSD instead.
Each then explained how there was no way the session could continue, and how
they got John home.

One last quote was shortened by the Disney folks (so it almost makes no
sense in the US version.

As aired on Disney

George Martin:  "George's joss sticks in the studio were alright"

As aired in England

George Martin:  "George's joss sticks in the studio were alright, they covered
                 the smell of the pot"

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: fantasy:Digital 8 track release.
Summary: YES!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:23:23 GMT

Of course, that would be great!  I guess that's kind of a similar dream to
the one I have of being allowed into Abbey Road to remix all the tracks, but
I'm pretty sure that one will never happen!  Yours is a bit more realistic,
but still a ways off.  The advantage to mine, though, is that you could
isolate more instruments and change the remix more.  Why?  Think about all
the reduction mixdowns that were being done in the Sgt. Pepper time and
after.  One track on the final 4 track tape might have been 4 tracks itself
on an earlier tape.  That's one of the reasons the stereo mixes aren't as
good.  When they did reduction mixdowns, they did them without regard to
stereo imaging (obviously, because they were only concerned with the mono
at that time), so there wasn't a whole lot they could do for the stereo
mix once they got down to that point with the final 4 track tape.  With
today's equipment, you wouldn't need reduction mixdowns.  So, someone should
go back to those previous tapes and do more mixing with them, then add
back in the other tracks.  With the technology of today, I'm sure it can be
done.  Imagine how cool the stereo mixes would sound then!

- Jeff ("Let's flange it again and see." - George Martin)
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Macca on "Later" repeats
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:33:11 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

A nice three part (90 minute!) interview Paul did with Bob Costas
(filmed to coincide with the Liverpool Oratorio showing on PBS)
is being repeated this week.   A nice interview, if not too terribly
deep.   Check your local listings (particularly, your NBC affiliate) 
for scheduling info.  [The scheduled time is 1:30 / 12:30 (that's AM,
right after David Letterman ends), but many stations delay the program] 

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:28:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pismo.sw.stratus.com

In article <1h7ue3INNqra@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>In article <1h7qctINNj65@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>>
>>I wanted to pass on an experience that a friend of mine had with the
>>Beatlefest people.  
>
>[story deleted]
>
>However, they hire a *lot* of temporaries,
>and is the case with temporaries, they are very likely to screw up.  (And
>unfortunately, had you gotten through to the Lapidos's, all they could've
>told you is that they were *very* sorry, and possibly offered your friend 
>some free credit -- or the head of the operator, if you/he were the mean and
>vindictive type)
>
>The problem does not lie with the Beatlefest folks, instead it lies with
>trying to order *anything* through the mail at Christmastime -- a frustrating
>quest with the best of companies...
>

I don't want to drag this on, but I thought you all might be curious to
hear what Mark Lapidos had to say.

I started to tell the story to him, and he kept cutting me off telling me
that the book was back ordered and it wasn't his fault and what's the
big deal.  I started to lose my cool a bit and raised my voice and told
him that I'm shocked that he can't even take one minute to listen to a
customer problem.  He finally listened, but still said "what's the big
deal" and I proceeded to tell him just what the big deal was. :-)

He finally was getting tired of talking to me, so he said, "well I'm very
sorry this happened and we certainly care about our customers.  I'll
talk to the girl [his word, not mine] that took the order about it."

I asked him to send off a letter of apology to my friend, which he agreed
to do.  But I am left with a very bad taste in my mouth for the Lapidos
organization.  I really think he looked at my friend's problem as 
a number in a spreadsheet, rather than a real person who didn't get
the service they should have.

I must say, Edward, I admire your patience and understanding of the 
business position in this matter.  But my feeling is that no matter 
how commonplace this might be, it is still inexcusable.  

I promise that this will be that last from me on this subject.

Bruce



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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hymowitz@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:32:47 GMT

a friend and i had a discussion yesterday, and he posed this question to
me:

the beatles have said several times that their music was based on
motown, they did a couple of smokey robinson covers, some elvis tunes,
and john said more than once that his idol was buddy holly.  also, a number
of the ''big name'' musicians touring england were american.  flipping
pages in my beatles live book (gloat), i can find several mentions of 
''american greats'' gene vincent, davy jones,  and roy orbison.

the question is, what might have happened is buddy holly hadn't died in
feb 1959?  my friend suggested that we would be talking about 'the
american invasion' of british music, and the beatles would be 'just
another local skiffle band with a local following.'  buddy holly,
at the rate he was writing songs, would now have enough money to
buy the elvis presley catalog, and spend the change on houston, texas.

any opinions?  

on a side note, has any splicing expert managed to put /her/majesty/ back
in between /mean/mr/mustard/ and /polythene/pam/ ?

just some more random ramblings.

saki for congress.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: ftpsite
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Does anyone know of an ftpsite for Beattle files either
.au or .snd or .gif or .jpg?
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:46:30 GMT

> = (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>> = (edward s. chen) writes:
>>> = (Bruce Dumes) writes:

>>>I wanted to pass on an experience that a friend of mine had with the
>>>Beatlefest people.  
>>> [story deleted re: Bruce's friend's books for Xmas not arriving...]

[...]
>>The problem does not lie with the Beatlefest folks, instead it lies with
>>trying to order *anything* through the mail at Christmastime -- a frustrating
>>quest with the best of companies...

>I don't want to drag this on, but I thought you all might be curious to
>hear what Mark Lapidos had to say.

>I started to tell the story to him, and he kept cutting me off telling me
>that the book was back ordered and it wasn't his fault and what's the
>big deal.  I started to lose my cool a bit and raised my voice and told
>him that I'm shocked that he can't even take one minute to listen to a
>customer problem.  He finally listened, but still said "what's the big
>deal" and I proceeded to tell him just what the big deal was. :-)
[more deleted...]

Let me add a similar story.  On December 17th I order from Beatlefest, a
T-shirt for my sister in Chicago, and the LaserD "Beatles 1st U.S.
Visit", along with a T for my wife.

I ordered on the promise that this stuff would get to my sister and to 
me by Xmas, and Lapidos personally assured me the orders would make it.

I got a notice of the amount for my sister's shirt a few days later, and
she did get her order December 23rd.

I brought home our brand-new LD player and waited for my order to
arrive.  It never did, and I phoned Beatlefest December 26th and left an
unhappy message.  I got a message back on December 27th from Lapidos,
and he acted like Bruce described: very defensive, yet apologetic ("We
were out of stock, no distributor anywhere seems to have it", etc.).
When I talked to Lapidos in person the next day, to cancel the order, he
told me that even though the disc was back-ordered, the shirt was ready
to go...in a few days.

A bad taste is left in my mouth, like Bruce.  I had paid high postage to
get the order in time, and yet he couldn't even think enough to send the
T-shirt part of the order immediately, a stocking-stuffer for my wife; 
and he sure as hell should have checked if the LD was in stock.

Bah humbug.

"It won't be long, yeah..."



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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: i got my tickets too!!!
From: CSC9240760T@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN,Sinan)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:14:34 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

	ha...after waiting 13 hours in the rain i got 12th row 
	tickets....good seats...anyone know if he has support
	bands before him and who are they...in melbourne..oz..
From: bwehr@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (M. Bruce Wehr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Greatest Hits?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:26:51 GMT
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: wehr%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: eccdb1.pms.ford.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jeff Morris (jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: 
: What I'd like to see, really, is like a 5-CD or so box set, with every CD
: close to 80 minutes, of Beatles Greatest Hits

  I just picked up a boxed set of Beatle's Greatest Hits - called
  the Oak Box Collection :-) 15 CDs - all the original album
  releases. I ordered it through Noteworthy, who had the best price
  I could find.

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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: ftpsite
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:05:39 GMT

There's .gif files at bobcat.bbn.com, which you can ftp to, and which you'll
find out more about soon in the monthly post from saki.
ftp bobcat.bbn.com
username:anonymous
password:<your username>
From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Interesting Articles
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:23:05 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

After my last post I received a number of questions about how the CD's were
produced (mixed).  A couple of years ago I did a research paper about the
Beatles and their influence on American culture.  I came across a number of
interesting articles about different Beatles topics.  If you are interested
in the sources just E-mail me and I will send the citations.  Most of the
articles should be available on microfilm in your University libraries.  The
topics ranges from the CD's, to Jackson aquiring the Beatles songs rights, to
Billy Joel's ten favorite Beatles songs, to Sgt. Pepper revisited.  Cheers!
IN%"slchb@usu.edu"
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From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Subject: buddy holly & the beatles
Summary: buddy holly & the beatles
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:16:39 GMT
Keywords: buddy holly & the beatles

i
One of Holly's last songs, Love's made a Fool of You", recorded in 1958, sounds a lot like the early Beatles. But at the time of his death in early 1959, Holly was experimenting with unusual [for 1959 rock] musical directions. He was planning an album of  "Ray Charles sound" music as well as an album of gospel music. He was also studying jazz, as well as cajun and flamenco guitar styles, according to "Remembering Buddy", by John Goldrosen and John Becher, 1986.

Had Buddy  Holly lived, he most likely would have continued to grow, both influencing, and being influenced by, other groups. He might even have collaborated with the Beatles. There's no way of telling just what he might have developed into. Goldrosen and Becher say: "If the Beatles had died in 1964, would the same evaluation [that they "died at their peak"] have been made? Probably, because what they did afterwards was unpredictable." Holly was only 22 when he died in 1959.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


>Have you heard the entire 11-minute or so version?  I've never seen that
>out.  Where is it available?  The longest I've seen is just over 8
>minutes, available on Ultra Rare Trax 5 & 6.

I don't know if it's 8 or 11  minutes.

>At any rate, I didn't know
>this was Yoko screaming - I thought it was Paul's young daughter, wasn't
>it? 

Perhaps you are right, does anyone know for sure?

>How much unreleased stuff is ruined because of Yoko?  Are you
>really just talking about "What's the New Mary Jane"?  Nothing else
>comes to my mind that has Yoko in it.  What else is there?

There is a very long 'Yer Blues' version on the White Album Demos.
The last half is covered with the screams of a woman.

Tom
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: insanity
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:53:17 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: pismo.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec22.134258.7659@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) writes:
>In article <BzJ1zq.AJJ@mtholyoke.edu> mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey) writes:
>>
>>I just rediscovered "You know my name (look up the number)" after a gap and
>>wanted to register my love for it, officially. 
>>		It's the greatest song ever made.
>>
>>(In my not-so-humble opinion!)
>
>If I remember well, even John said so in an occasion... so your 
>opinion needn't be humble :-)
> 

Actually, I believe it was Paul (!!) who said it was one of his favorite
Beatle songs in the interview with Lewisohn in "the book".

Bruce



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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Box set bargains
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:37:08 GMT

Well, gee, recently I've seen the individual CDs down to around $11.99 here.
As far as the box set goes, I don't think I've seen it for less than $200,
no.