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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:38:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.213857.6179
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan8.201842.7252@athena.mit.edu> read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver) writes:
>As Steve says, Kwell shampoo _is_ prescribed for crabs. It is, however, almost
>never an approporate prescription.  As I believe Steve says elsewhere, Kwell
>is basically Lindane, and is quite toxic--it's a skin-absorbed neurotoxin.

Well, skin absorption is actually quite low, at least on any acute
basis.  However, all things being equal, Rid or A-200 is a preferable
first therapy which has an excellent chance of working.  I never liked
the idea of using Kwell, even though I feel reasonably certain it's not
going to kill or hurt me.  It's a chlorinated hydrocarbon, with all of
the drawbacks of this class of insecticide (fat solubility, long
persistence in the environment, etc.)

>While there aren't many other choices for scabies, the pyrethrin-based
>pharmaceutical insecticides (like A-200, Rid, etc.) are much less nasty,
>and are more than adequate for crabs.  If your doctor gives you Kwell for
>crabs (as the doctors at my student health clinic always did) I strongly
>suggest giving it back.

Actually, Elimite, 5% permethrin creme, is a recently approved treatment
for scabies; it's as effective as 1% Lindane, perhaps more so.  Permethrin
is a semi-synthetic derivative of pyrethrin.  Still Rx-only, as are all
scabies remedies.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:10:48
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: bcapps@agora.rain.com's message of 31 Dec 92 08:43:50 GMT

> pmacay@xerox.com (Pete Macay) writes:
> [a nice story and some very sensible advice]

On 31 Dec 92 08:43:50 GMT, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) said:
> Some of these rules we've also used; in addition we have another.
> When one of us is out of town for business or whatever, the other
> partner must have the house spic n' span upon his return.

I really like Pete's story.  The "clean house" rule probably only
works if you both travel an equal amount.  I'm gone 15-20 weeks per
year on business, and my loving hubbie is gone <2 weeks per year.  
I don't think it would be reasonable for me to ask him to clean
the apartment the day before I get back from every trip...

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cl*yt*n - who are you?
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 21:35:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Mark Walsh asks:
>> Given the regularity with which the unpleasant chappy posts,
>> surely he should be in the picture archive?
>
>I just can't help but ponder:
>Just what would you do while looking at his picture?  :-)  

Train for the new "projectile vomiting" event in the next
Olympics.  ;-)

 
() Boys will be boys, and so will a lot of middle-aged men.
()      -- Kin Hubbard
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:55:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.225600.25862@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Will it sound like "I had no idea there were so many soap users here"
>if I say "I had no idea there were so many cologne wearers here"?
>
  Frightening, is it?
  Actually, for very specific reasons, I would not *dare* wear
  a cologne.  I've never worn a cologne.

  How does the absence of one strike people?  Just boring?  Or
  do natural odors (er, fragrances) come through even over a
  daily bathing routine?

  Glenn always tells me I smell like Wayne Hughes.  I never know
  quite how to take this, and he just smiles. 

  Wayne
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A not-so-cheery coming out story
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:39:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48316
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1ipvhpINNram@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
>   [...]                                            It saddens
>me to lose a friend, and [...]

I used to say the same thing about some people in my past.  However, a
good friend (hi Tom!) kept saying "but you didn't lose a friend" until
it finally sunk in and I understood.

This person wasn't friends with you.  He was friends with the person he
thought you were.  As long as your relationship was played by his rules
and you hid a fairly large chunk of your persona, he was content.  He
made sure you knew how he felt about gays and you lived with his prejudice
on his terms.  However, he has some value to you as a friend and you did
your best to let him know who *you* are.

As a result, he rejected you.  In effect, he was saying that if only you
had played the game by his rules, you could have continued to enjoy his
presence in your life.  Part of the unspoken set of rules was that you
couldn't do or say anything which would question his belief on the subject
of homosexuality.  His use of 'choice' is quite telling.

If he re-evaluates and decides to reenter your life, then I would say
that you *found* a friend.  But I do not think for one minute that you
lost one.

As a way of further clarification, if he had responded by telling you
that he was shocked by your news and needed time to think and then
decided that he couldn't change, then you might have lost a friend.
The friend you lost would be someone who tried to the best of their
ability to be open and accepting, but in the end lost the battle and
had to leave (hopefully, reluctantly).  It sounds, however, that this
person responded with just a simple ``you're disgusting!  get out!''
and that is not how a friend would act.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:54:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan5.015843.19935@netcom.com>
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.004232.7032@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Clay masques are enhanced if preceded by a cleaning with witch hazel
>(an excellent astringent) and followed by a rinse of warm water. This

Howard!  Do you have a spy in my bath?!?

>cleans off oily residues and allows the induction of garbage from

Honey, we don't have to induce no garbage around here; it
just piles up naturally!

I follow the warm rinse with cold spashes and a dollop of my
own secret moisturizing concoction.  I haven't done this
since growing my whiskers back; the pale green clay of
France is *hell* to get out of the eyebrows, I can imagine
it next to impossible to dissolve from the beard.

To change the subject slightly, do you think it would be
immoral to shoot my neighbor's dog?  "Neighbor" here does
not indicate a friend, but rather some cretin living five
doors away across my back fence.  There is a very large
barking creature (I admit only assuming it is a dog)
averaging 25 loud reports a minute, for about two weeks now,
day and night, day in, day out, without cessation.  It's
winter, the house is closed up tight, there are two
computers with their fans, an air cleaner with an even
louder fan, and a large aquarium with two pumps pumping, yet
I can hear that dog as well as is if it were in *my* yard.
I know, the right thing to do is shoot the neighbor, not the
dog, who's probably just as annoyed as I am about all this.

15?  Howard, it's colder there than here!  What are the
highs?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:54:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.142811.4562@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
wrote:

> I don't know, but at least body shaving:
>     a) is more likely to keep people from having lice or crabs


ARRRGGHGHGHGH!

This does not work.  I once remarked upon the unusual shaving patterns
of a too-yummy-to-resist-yum-yum, only to acquire those damn biting
insects - whereupon I was faced with the humiliating process of
buying anit-you-know-what goop (a process which takes *weeks*); or,
doing something drastic (a process which takes an *hour*).  I did
something drastic.  Shaving does not work, BUT dunking your ENTIRE
BODY in Nair and leaving it on for fifteen minutes most certainly
kills every living organism upon the surface of your flesh (and
probably causes brain damage).  This once was enough to convince
me that, save for dire circumstances, a little body hair was
a small price to pay.  As for the 'real' hair, I did not particularly
want to go bald, nor did I want to take the chance that the little
vermin might be boinking behind my ears.  I sprayed my head with
Raid and washed it off twenty seconds later.  I figured it would
probably make me sick (it did), but I would survive and those damn
*creatures* would not.  

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.121147.22262@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <RHAYDEN.92Dec26173107@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
>>Also, some people say that the increased sensitivity due to the lack
>>of a foreskin makes for shorter lovemaking.
>>I don't know the medical facts, so I don't have an opinion.  But I do
>>know I wouldn't mind longer lovemaking...
>
>It is something I have never brought up on sci.med (I don't know why
>... it is one of my favorite groups to bring up strange things) but
>when they worry about 'sensitivity' and circumcision, why don't they
>talk to someone who has had a lot of sex with circumcised and
>uncircumcised men.

Didn't Masters and Johnson deal with all this, and discover that
there was no difference in 'sensitivity' between cut and uncut men?

If anyone cares, I'l try to hunt down the exact reference.

Oh - a happy new year to you all.

				Kay
-- 
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From: Cread@Fwva.Saic.Com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride Ring Colours on the Necklace
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 23:14:42 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

>
>You can order the Gay Freedom Ring necklace from the new H.I.M. catalog
>for only $12. Call 1-800-446-1646 and request their free catalog. The
>stock order number on the Freedom Rings necklace (with bead-chain) is
>SA12.
 
from SHOCKING GRAY catalog, too.  Check OUT or GENRE magazie for their add.
Or call 800 directory assistance.
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:41:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.233500.8606@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.183950.22054@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> >Gramma in a fit of undeniable crankyness (ryerson.schwark) writes:
> >  Gramma's going to the Beehive State! Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!
> 
> I'll die first.  

  Or after. Arne can probably help you with spontaneous human combustion.
  Provo Homo. It has that certain *ring* to it.

> Well, maybe if they send me a pair of those handsome 
> Mormon boys to minister to me.  I think I need lots and lots of deep
> intimate ministering.

  Bzzz, Bzzz, Bzzz. *Happy* *Bees*! We're all Happy Bees! 

  And you have it all wrong. You don't get a companion till you go
on a *mission* yourself. Good little missionaries are rarely in that
*icky* position. And don't forget God's little factory...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: I am confused
Summary: a spool full of sugar makes the cabal go down...
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:48:41 GMT

In article <1isfdpINNado@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>Either all my friends are ganging up on me trying to sidle me with
>a new personality, or I have been missing something.
>
>In the last week, several people have told me that when they think of
>my personality/interpersonal-style,  I remind them of Mary Poppins.
>
>Does anyone have any idea:
>A) is this a good thing?
>B) what it means?

something to do with a Dick and a Van Dyke ??

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:15:23 GMT

CBS radio this morning reports that the city has refused the permit
to the Ancient Order of Hibernians and instead granted it to
an organization (sorry, don't remember the name) that has said it
will allow G/L groups to march under their own banners.

Yay!

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:50:54 GMT

> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>What I am *not* used to is the odors produced
>by protein-shake-drinking queer barbellas who
>use ForePlay as an anal sex lubricant.  
>
>Truly, insistently rank.

    ..."this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this
    brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted
    with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me
    but a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.  What a
    piece of work is a man!  How noble in reason! how
    infinite in faculty! in form, in moving, how express and
    admirable! in action how like an angel!  in apprehension
    how like a god!"
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Soc.motss: The Color Version
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:50:33 GMT

>>Part 4:  Cobra Woman and company

>(Hey, this isn't the Maria Montez thread, is it?)

A-HA! Mara is Maria Montez. QED.

John, who didn't realize that Maria Montez is most probably
Hispanic until actually typing her name just now. Woah, I'm slow...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Northern Exposure
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:46:16 GMT
Organization: New York University

In the most recent episode of Northern Exposure, one of the regulars, 
Maurice, who is a total bigot (this is a major part of his character), hires 
two gay archaeologists to excavate some Indian artifacts.  He then makes the 
following comment to another character, Maggie, who *doesn't* pick up on it:

    You know, Maggie, fairies are the perfect people to do this kind of
    work.  Biologically, their upper bodies are strong enough to wield a
    pick-axe, but temperamentally they're, uh -- precise and meticulous.

Now, the show has a reputation for being very gay friendly (I believe 
it even won some kind of award) but I took exception to the fact that 
this comment was allowed to pass (in other episodes, Maurice has been
called to account for racist or chauvinist comments).  On the other 
hand, Northern Exposure was showing gays in a non-stereotypical  
profession (in my college days as a classics major, the archaeologists 
I knew were all very randy heterosexuals).

I introduced  this topic earlier in the week on alt.tv.northern.exp and
got some positive responses.  Any thoughts from soc.motss?
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOW info wanted
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:08:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Try the Queer Rights Directory: ftp to andrew.nifty.cmu.edu and
look in the /pub/QRD/qrd directory.

My brochure says to call Washington DC Accomodations at
1-800-554-2220 (or 202-289-2220) and request info.

For travel, call one of these, the official agencies of MOW'93:

 - Capital Travel, 1-800-800-9009
 - Reservation Desk, 1-800-662-6988 (or 214-522-5106)
 - Confident Travel, 1-800-872-7252

For other information, call the 1993 March On Washinton Committee
at 1-202-628-0493. (TDD: 202 628-0471)

 __
 \/ Ric

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From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Subject: Re: penis size
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:12:26 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.152527.6888@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com writes:
> Entire bars become silent if I walk in wearing lycra shorts
> with a big fat hardon snaking down the leg.

I simply MUST go to Paris and visit again sometime.

m.


--
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 11:23:58 GMT

In article <thaaang.726314019@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>>"Style" in venom and "panache" in being nasty hold no particular
>>interest for me.  The kind of "style and panache" you're talking
>>about tend to strike me as pompous wastes of time.

>George much prefers styleless venom and flaccid nastiness,
>thank you.

I've always thought George's nastiness was *quite* hard, and
venom makes its own style, so it's not the worst.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:09:09 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>ObNonMotss - no lights in my bedroom tonight, because the way the
>moonlight is illuminating my teddybear is just too cute. Why is
>moonlight brighter when it's cold out?

	Well, my first guess would be that it has something to do with
a lower dew/frost point and that the humidity goes down.  Therefore the
moonlight isn't diffused by water vapor[*] that would be there...

BBC

[*] Water vapor, BTW is the *****primary***** greenhouse constituent
in the atmosphere!  Be sure that all the global warming propoganda
you see includes limitations on the production of that dangerous molecule
H2O!  CO2 is a wimp incomparison to H2O!  (The recent Physics Today,
which I happily subscribe to has a letter from a prof who polled other
profs on this --- nearly all of them gave the "wrong" answer.  The author
then notes that the general public probably overwhelmingly hasn't got
the right info, mostly because they haven't been fed it.  I agree.)
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:42:22 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan13.010238.15953@psych.toronto.edu> 
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

> Is sex, like bathhouses, going to be reveled as a U.S. invention too?  B{)

Ahem.  I'm sorry you don't like the fact that world
pop culture is, by and large, *American* pop culture.

Arne
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:51:13 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1993Jan8.205848.8834@HQ.Ileaf.COM> jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge) writes:

>I wish I had seen this episode. It sounds like this is all of a piece
>with similarly clueless statements Minnifield has made to Fleishman's
>face about Jews. I seem to remember him commenting in the same vein to
>Bernard (Chris's black half brother) about blacks and Africans. In
>these comments he always means to be complimentary, in his own
>ignorant way.

>In none of these cases was Minnifield called on his comments, I assume
>because they were thought to be so patently absurd as to not require
>rebuttal. 

Wrong!!! In the recent episode about Chris's trial Bernard did call Maurice 
a bigot to his face (Maurice looked hurt and bewildered).  I thought it was 
great and that's what I was hoping to see in this past episode.  

I realize in light of the responses I have received in this group that I 
was being too harsh.  Yes, N.E. is a fine program and very gay-friendly; 
I guess that is why I had hoped for more.  


>It defies my credulity that "Northern Exposure" meant seriously to
>promote the idea that gay men are peculiarly adapted to being
>achaelogists. I think it's unlikely that American public will accept
>it in that light. On the other hand -- maybe that's not such a bad
>idea anyway.

Well, after reading through some of the literature sent to me by Focus on 
the Family (gag, choke, don't know the appropriate symbol to insert) I 
expect that there are Americans out there who will believe *anything* about 
gays.

Emily
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