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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Thanks for the help, now one more ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:15:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Todd Trimble writes:

>Thanks to all who directed me to misc.wanted & misc.forsale for equipment.   
>I've been swamped with offers.  My question now is about price.  (I also  
>apologize if this is a duplicate, our newshost acted as if maybe it ate my  
>first post.)  I have little/no idea what the market value of used  
>equipment (specificly rifles, pistols and various targets) is.  I don't  
>want to rip anyone off in my offers to buy, but in turn I'd like to save  
>as much money as possible.  If any readers could help, I'd greatly  
>appreciate it!  Thanks in advance.

	I have gotten very good pistols, some practically brand new,
in the 15 to 20 bucks range.  You can get functional but beat up used
ones in the 10 to 15 buck range, and spare parts pistols in the up to
10 buck range.  There are always exceptions, of course.

	Anyone who tries to ask you for over 20 bucks for a pistol is 
probably asking too much.  Make that DEFINATELY asking too much.

	A star sensor seems to go for 5 bucks, give or take a couple.
Anything more than 10 is idiotic.

	The rifles tend to be 25 to 35, depending on condition.  More than
35 is highway robbery, unless the rifle is practically in new condition.

	Star Caps, 10 to 15 bucks, no more.

	Star Helmets, I don't know.

	Starbases, a good clean one with battery door intact, maybe 35 bucks.
Most of the battery doors seem to be broken; they weren't designed all 
that well.  An average Starbase, maybe 20 bucks used.

	Starvests, I don't know.  I sure wouldn't pay more than about 5 bucks
for one after somebody else has sweat all over it, etc.  :-)

	There have been a couple people on the net who have been asking
just assininely high prices - 50 bucks for a rifle, 35 for a pistol, etc.
Don't do it!  You can do WAY better......

Duane
(much of this posting is IMHO, by the way....)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: bosticj@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:29:34 GMT

Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct9.160600.4889@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
>FOR SALE!!!
>
>Two standard pistols and two of the cap type sensor units.
>
>Make me an offer, you pay shipping (Shouldn't be more than a few bucks, 
>ground).
>
>Aaron Gillum
>agillum@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu

give me the lowest value you would take and I will think about it.  I wouldn't mind owning a set.


Jason Bostick
Bosticj@storm.cs.orst.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Laser Pro 9000 - possible to make them work with Lasertag?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:54:19 GMT

profesor@emilio.WPI.EDU (Matthew E Cross) writes:

>My roommate recently found a cheap source for Laser Pro 9000's (about
>$15 at Toys-R-Us, btw), and we were wondering if it was possible to
>modify these gun/sensor units to work with Lasertag, or vice-versa.
>Does anyone know?  Anyone care?  Do the guns just emit a simple
>carrier signal, or is it more complicated than that?  I know the Laser
>Pro 9000's by default can't be hit by their own emissions (unless you
>start them in 'target' mode by holding down the trigger when you turn
>them on) - anyone know how this works?

>OK, i ramble on...  So I'm not an english major... ;)

	It emits a simple carrier signal.  My RCA TV remote will set
them off very reliably.

	In order to make it work with WOW Lazertag (r), the carrier
frequency will need to be adjusted to around 58.8 khz and some other
stuff will need to occur.  Quite honestly, I think it would be more trouble 
than it is worth.

Duane

Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Prices of used equipment (was Re: Thanks for the help, now one more ?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:55:06 GMT

>Todd Trimble writes:

>>I have little/no idea what the market value of used equipment [. . .] is.

Duane P Mantick writes:

> [. . .lots of cooly info on the going rates for Lasertag equipment. . .]

Thanks for all the bargaining advice, Duane. . .

I just shook hands on a deal for two of the basic sets 
(pistol, sensor, and the straps thingies) here locally 
for $25 apiece, and arranged to get another set for $15 
from my cousin (but he was more inclined to give me a 
good deal).  All three sets are almost brand new.  :-)

Once I'm through midterms, maybe I'll have time for a game!

-sz  (whose original Lasertag set is no longer lonely)
From: ph_theobald@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: GMC bungee
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:43:42 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

Recently saw a GMC jimmy commercial where they sent it off a bridge on
a bungee....oh well,whatever,nevermind
From: johnsonsusan@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Re:Bungee Sites
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:01:32 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Try Wisconsin Dells Wisconsin...For information call the Wisconsin Dells 
Visitor and Convention Bureau 1-800-223-3557 (22Dells)  They had various 
bungee sites all summer but it is basically a summer tourist town.  Check 
it out
From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (John O'Neil - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: I DID IT!! WOW!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:22:25 GMT
Reply-To: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: heretix.east.sun.com

WELL, I DID IT!!

yesterday, sunday Oct 11, 1992 in Westford,MA. from the ankles, off a crane, over a pond.

WHAT A HEAD RUSH!!! STILL CAN'T MY HEART TO SLOW DOWN.

I GOING AGAIN.......


JOHN ONEIL
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:13:38 EDT
From: K-JAMZ <KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Bungee anyone

If anyone is looking to get a bungee operator for the Pennsylvania area,
Email me for further info....


                                                    -K-Jamz
----
"Those who know, know!                                      Ken Wilcox
 Those who don't, will never know!"                       kpw104@psuvm
                                                  kpw104@psuvm.psu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Poison maintenance?
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Quite honestly, the Poison is a problem gun. If you can find a buyer for 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:17:06 GMT

Aaron Gillum
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25815-leary)
Subject: Re: Whispering Death Conversion for Automag
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:03:29 GMT

I recently purchased the smart parts level 7 automag with a 12 oz
antisiphon bottle, mounted in the  normal back position.  I have not
had any problems with liquid either in this configuration, although
I haven't had all that much opportunityto play with it yet.

Yea, thanks Ted for the posting.

In article <ld6bknINNgc0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM
(Anthony Wong) writes:
> In article <BvrG5s.2pp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Ronin) writes:
> [some stuff deleted]
> >The Whispering Death conversion to the Automag features the Air America
> >Whipering Death expansion chamber mounted in a vertical position forward of
> >the trigger guard.  A flexible hose is used to connect the Whispering Death
> 
> Thanks Ted for the re-type.
> 
> I just wonder how much this conversion costs.  My solution to this problem
> is to have a vertical bottle mount.  The bottle is mounted just forward
> of the trigger guard.  I bought the mount from AirGun Designs for $35.00.
> Just drill a hole and re-route the hose and you are done.  I have had no
> problems with liquid.  Now I play in northern california so I have no
> experience with cold weather play.  Oh by the way my gun is level 7 updated
> and playing last saturday I didn't break even one ball.  These were old 
> traccers "Pink Grapefruit".
> 
> Later,
> Anthony Wong


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Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 09:36:43 -0400 
From: Kevin Michael Pogany <kp0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PMI rifle for sale

Greets,

     I have a customized PMI rifle for sale... Includes the stock rifle,
fast action bolt, delron 4'' pump, direct gravity feed (bulk feeder
setup) and a constant air setup with a tank holder mounted under the
gun. Good gun for stronger players as it is heavy... Very accurate and
high velocity... very good condition...

Best offer over $150

-Kevin
            
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: hauschil@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Silent One)
Subject: Paintball (CO2 tanks)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:44:36 GMT

I'm new to the sport, I do play semi-often out at a friends.  We've been doing
some reading in the various magazines that are out.  Would like to know what
are the real differences between the tanks.  I've seen reference to siphon, 
liquid, and stuff about non back flow tanks and some others that I can't 
remember now.  Can someone give the pros and cons of these and what the real
differences are between liquid and gas are as far as gun performance is ?

Please email me hauschil@mentor.cc.purdue.edu or post it.

                         Jeff

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25815-leary)
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:10:25 GMT

The Automag already is VERY efficient, what does the conversion do for
the Automag, make it useable in colder weather?    What do they do to
the gun???? (if you know)

In article <BvpK6v.D6E@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Ronin) writes:
> I talked to a salesperson at Master of the Game, which sells the Black Rain
> conversion.  They told me that the conversion also increases the number of
> shots that you get out of a C/A tank.  For instance, for a 7 oz tank instead
> of between 250-300 rounds, you might get something in the range of 600-700
> rounds using the Black Rain conversion.  The salesperson said something about
> when using the conversion with liquid CO2, for every shot of liquid into the
> gun, you get something like 2 shots.  I have a brochure from them about
> the Black Rain conversion as well as the Whispering Death conversion for the
> Automag.  If you want I will post the brochure, I don't think that it says
> very much though.
> -- 
> Ted Jan                    EMT-A                        | To save a Life in |
> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   Basic Life Support Certified | Defeat is to Earn |
> University of Illinois     First Aid Instructor         | Victory....       |
> Champaign/Urbana           Community CPR Instructor     |                   |


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From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Whispering Death Conversion for Automag
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:38:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

>Since it's introduction, the Automag has earned a reputation as a finely
>crafted, reliable, high-tech weapon.  
          ^^^^^^^^

How reliable can it be if it is now in version 7.???  I seems they are
lacking in Eng. R&D in their haste to get the thrower to market.

I have seen them in action and I don't dispute they are a fast slinger, 
but only when they are WORKING properly.

other nits:  ~$450.00 for the plain jane, then another ~$400.00 to get
it to tourney level.  IMHO this is not very economical, unless you have
money to burn.  I don't.  With all the after market stuff, IMHO you get
an aesthetic abberation; hoses everywhere that can snag, connections that
are potential leakage points, etc...

My Pro-am w/12 oz bottle is like a toyota, gas it and go.  I want more 
range i.e. rifled barrel and maybe the V/L 2000 hopper. But that's it,
everything else works like it should all the time.  My sear spring broke,
but it only took 15 min to fix once I got the parts from tippman.  The fore
grip has been replaced and no problems after 3000 rds.  Plus the lines are
very clean, with minimal bulk, i.e. less potential for gun hits. I can shoot
liquid or gas, machs nicht.

 Danimal

> X- designate where the hose connections are.  Hose goes from backside of gun 
>    over the feeder to the top of the Whispering Death chamber.
>                               ____
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>			 /    /      |X|
>                       /    /      |   |
>                      /    /       |   |
>                     /    /        |   |
>------------________/____/_________|_  |
>|           _______|---------------|-  | <----- nice target silhouette from an
>------------                       |   |        oblique angle.
>	Bottom-line setup           |   |
> 7oz tank                          |___|


Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: toddalex@engin.umich.edu (Todd  michael Alexander )
Subject: UMPBC
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 11:56:46 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

To those students here at the University of Michigan, the UofM 
Paintball Club will be holding a mass meeting this Friday, Oct.
9, at the fishbowl in Angell Hall.  Any students interested in 
joining are encouraged to come.  

We are also planning a game for this Sunday, Oct 11.  

Anyone who would like more info or can't make the meeting can
contact me at 747-9695 (ask for Todd) or call Doug or Sam at
741-9205.  You can also e-mail me at toddalex@engin.umich.edu,
but I may not get the message untill next week.

                                   Todd Alexander
                                   VP-UMPBC

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Subject: Address for Company which makes Black Rain
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:53:58 GMT

                Air America
            914 Greenwood Road
	    Glenview, IL 60025
	      (708) 998-8311



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Ted Jan                    EMT-A                        | To save a Life in |
tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   Basic Life Support Certified | Defeat is to Earn |
University of Illinois     First Aid Instructor         | Victory....       |
Champaign/Urbana           Community CPR Instructor     |                   |
From: randy@applix.com (Randy Gebelein [ext 248])
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Any good areas in MA
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:33:12 GMT
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Oct9.034759.28711@Cadence.COM> jagat@gda.cadence.com (Jagat Patel) writes:
>
>        Are there any indoor play grounds in MA (Boston Area)?
>
The only indoor field that I knnow of in the area is "The Ultimate Sport"
In Brockton.  The building and playing conditions are ok. They really try
to discourage using your own gun though.  They also have an outdoor field  
that is ok.

A good outdoor field in the area is "Friendly Fire Paintball" in Upton Mass.
They have a good field, playing conditions, and very reasonable prices.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: jagat@gda.cadence.com (Jagat Patel)
Subject: Any good areas in MA
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:47:59 GMT


        Are there any indoor play grounds in MA (Boston Area)?
From: akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Whispering Death Conversion for Automag
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:38:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gundam

In article <BvrG5s.2pp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
[some stuff deleted]
>The Whispering Death conversion to the Automag features the Air America
>Whipering Death expansion chamber mounted in a vertical position forward of
>the trigger guard.  A flexible hose is used to connect the Whispering Death

Thanks Ted for the re-type.

I just wonder how much this conversion costs.  My solution to this problem
is to have a vertical bottle mount.  The bottle is mounted just forward
of the trigger guard.  I bought the mount from AirGun Designs for $35.00.
Just drill a hole and re-route the hose and you are done.  I have had no
problems with liquid.  Now I play in northern california so I have no
experience with cold weather play.  Oh by the way my gun is level 7 updated
and playing last saturday I didn't break even one ball.  These were old 
traccers "Pink Grapefruit".

Later,
Anthony Wong
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: ozone@mindvox.phantom.com (Al Macey)
Subject: Heh.  Just found this conf.
Keywords: tournaments, teams
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:19:40 GMT

Believe it or not, this is my first post to usenet.  The system I am on
only had the last two messages (concerning the Black Reign conversion),
so I am not sure if what I am about to bring up has been discussed 
before:  if it has, and no one cares to discuss it, then by all means, 
politely tell me to shut up.

I recently played in the National Amateur Open with my five-player 
paintball team.  We had, up to that point, never played in a tournament 
together, though all of us had tourney experience on other teams.  None 
of our experience - with the exception of our captain, who has played in 
Nashville twice and at the Paintcheck Five Man - included national level 
tourney paintball.  As it was, we went out playing stand up paitnball, 
calling ourselves out when we got hit, and what not.  Our opponents, 
however, did not.  Though we played well we only finished 21st out of 68 
teams, and I am convinced that if we would've "stretched" the rules we 
could've done better.  My question is this: Is it appropriate to use the 
"grey" areas of the rules in order to gain more victories in a tournament 
like this?  My team has disputed this many, many times. The question, I 
think, is really, do we want to do what the majority of the other teams 
are doing, in order to compete?  I'd like some opinions.  Anything 
extensive please mail to me at AMACEY@carleton.edu.  Thanks.

Darkness
From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Poison maintenance?
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:52:25 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

About Poison maintenence,
    I would suggest melting it down and recasting it into a Bud Orr.

            Zander of the IRONMEN
From: ppaglia@bnr.ca (Peter Paglia P925)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Rapide semi-auto for sale
Keywords: rapide paintball sale
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:31:13 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

The subject says it all, I have a pair of Rapides, and about
a dozen CO2 carts, that I no longer use. 

In case you're not familiar with the Rapide, it's a semi-auto, 
with a 20 round magazine. The design has been around a long time,  
you can get all sorts of after-market stuff to customize it
if you like. 

They are great guns to 'get your feet wet' in the sport with, 
w/o too big an initial investment. They shoot great (IMHO) and 
are easy to maintain. 

I paid $200 for the pair from a local shop, but I'll take
$75 each, S&H included.

Pete
From: cfjenkin@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Chris Jenkins)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: re: Australian Paintball
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:58:16 GMT

Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au> writes:

>$20 day fee  (field hire, maybe camo, maybe lunch, all the air you need)
>$15 gun hire (always pump actions -- no exceptions found yet)
>$80 paint    (that's $0.20 PER ROUND!! and no-one allows walk-on paint :(
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>$115 for one day of paintball! (is this a typical cost in the US??)

I must say that I think that this is a bit steep. There will hopeefully be a newfield opening up here in South Australia that chargees $25 for the days rental
of all necessary equipment(mask, gun, goggles) plus $20 for 100 rounds. This is
still quite expensive, but hopefully the prices will improve as the game gets 
more popular.
Meanwhile...

>Average cost in my neck of the woods is $20 which includes field fee, gun
>rental, and 100 rnds. Sounds like operating costs are pretty high in the land 
>of Oz...are there regulations that restrict the game severly in Australia?

Yes unfortunately this is true with some states, especially South Australia 
being very slow at recognising this as a true sport. Currently there is a new 
legislation going through parliament that will hopefully make it legal.

A word to all you Australian paintball fans. Make suree you buy the new 
AUSTRALIAN paintball magazine called "paintballer". It is very good and it is 
helping make paintball a more popular sport.

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From: v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Poison maintenance?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

OK, I played paintball for about a year, stopped for two, and am getting
back into it. I purchased a Poison semi-auto used, and want some info
on maintenence, things I can add to improve it, and whatnot. I am _not_
familiar with working on paintball guns, only using them, so I need simple
directions, etc. Money is not the biggest issue, as I do have a steady 
income. Also, it seems to be semi-auto for only about three to six shots before
it fouls and I have to check the feed, recock, and try again. It feels like
when I ride my bike and the chain slips, but catches back on (I don't know
how to explain this better). Any ideas? Its probably just something stupid,
but any help would be appriciated.

                     -Alexis Machine
From: profesor@woodowl.UUCP (Wayne Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: crossman guns
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:01:28 GMT
Organization: Woodowl, Livermore CA

converting a .357 pellet pistol to firing .68 cal. paintballs sounds like a 
bad idea to me I cant see that being worth the effort.

--
profesor@woodowl.UUCP  (Wayne Fisher)
Woodowl BBS, Livermore, CA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball