From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:59:14 GMT


In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:

>: : >If he can get out of Australia without passing through customs,
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: : >if he wanted to.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: How? Put them into suit cases!
>
>Do you know the meaning of "how" in that context? Since you have not enlighten
>us with possibilities, I volunteer to give some possiblilites that immediately
>comes to mind.
>Another guess from me. I never assert my statement. I am just trying to guess
>your mind which you have closed or maybe you just don't think.

Oh, my enlightened one...why would you wanna volunteer to guess my mind
when I wasn't even the one who wrote the above quotes? Perhaps you should
take your own medicine to open your mind (and eyes) and perhaps think a 
little too? Besides, volunteering to guess one's mind is just short of being
a busybody.

>: include ALL relevant excerpts to support your argument. I believe someone
>Have you? Why should you ask me to do that when you do not have to.

Oh yeah...I have. I have also included CORRECT excerpts instead of posting
blindly and flaming on the wrong party. Sounds familiar?

>: else had mentioned your poor habit of picking bits and pieces of sentences
>: that would suit your argument only.
>
>So you are the same mold. Should I teach you the art of quotation? You are not
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You mean the art of MISquotation, no? Read above for sorry details.

>in a verbal argument when you can deny what you have said. Remember every 
>word you write is IMPORTANT. If you think I have misunderstood you, because of
>a mistake in english, you should point that out. Do not EVER claim that 
>the piece which you write must depend on the whole article. Try to come to
>point within a paragraph, unless you have to refer to some previous paragraphs.
>If someonw misquoted you because he has chosen the wrong pieces, then by all
>means QUOTE the relevant items. This is what I am doing now.
							^^^^^
NOW? Ahh, you're doing well Grasshopper...I have taught you well.

>	You have tried to mislead readers by tryingt to misquote my sentences,
>by ignoring your and my previous quotes, so I just requote them for the 
>readers and you. I do not think that you are that stupid just arrogant. 
>REMEMBER you are in written and recorded media.
>	Read other posts O.K.

Funny this should come from a person who have just commited the most heinous
crime of misquoting.


>: >: retract this statement before you sound even more stupid. Everyone knows that
>: >: the royal families in Malaysia are filthy rich and that's a fact. 
>: >You are the more fool. Just becuase there are a few millianoire chinese does
>: 
>: What has Chinese millionaires got to do with rich Sultans? Stick to the
>: point.
>Aren't Sultans a kind of race. They are related by birth rights, the same
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>way chinese are called chinese because their parents are chinese.

Huh? I didn't know that one can put Sultan as a race in official documents??
Is this something new or is this the same old crap from you??

Haa...Haaaa....., picture this:

Custom officer: Encik bangsa apa?
Sultan: Saya bangsa Sultan.

 



>	Mind you, some chinese stupidly think that just because they are
>born chinese they are superhumans.
>	What point you want! Your point that Sultans are all very rich and it
>is FACTS. Even ignoring other facts. Even I dare not commit although I have
>more samples than you have. 
>	Do you know the importance of sampling to the reliability of your data?
>Should I teach you STATISTICS again?
>: 
>: >	Have you met any of them in person? I have a few in fact. They are
>: >my colleagues and class-mates. They look ordinary to me. No private jet
>: >planes to flaut.
>: 
>: Nope, never met them. Neither have I met the Sultan of Brunei but would you
>: permit me to assume that he's one rich dude too? 
>Do you know that about 10% of Brunei population are related to him, distantly,
>but still called with royalty names?
>	How rich do you think he is when the people topple him from power?
>Just look at Marcos?
>
>
>: 
>: >	When you say everyone, they must be those stupid fools who do not
>: >even know basic statistics because of their biased views.
>: 
>: Are you sure I'm the biased one??? I have never mentioned the issue of race
>Why bring in ROYALTY issue which is the same thing unless you want to change 
>your point again?
>	Please note the large number of questions! You just confuse me with
>your shifting stands and vagues statements.
>
>: in the first place. My qualms are related solely to your arguments.
>
>Again you are not clear. Which arguments? Most of the time I ask questions.
>It was you who claim to have facts which are against my PERSONAL experience.
>: Again, stick to the point and stop putting words in people's mouth.
>Again which point? Your point only and which one?
>
>: 
>: >: Further, one do not need to own a jet plane to fly in one. Haven't you 
>: >: heard of the Mamak's A-1 Plane Rental Agency??? Trust me, they even provide 
>: >: you with their own custom designed air-sick bags.
>: >
>: >All they way from Melbourne to Malaysia across the ocean? Which pilot would
>: >dare do that? Must be damned expensive. Might as well buy one.
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: My apologies. I didn't realize you were still in the days where Fokker 
>: Friendships were king of the skies.
>	Again you are not clear. What are you trying to imply? Can I make 
>further guesses?
>	Your words "Mamak's" implies economical and cheap services. Are you
>still trying to hide behind your sinister comments and FACTS!
>
>: That's the problem, amigo. Your use of *LESS-THAN-BASIC* English makes 
>: it hard to comprende what you're trying to say.
>Did I? Welcome to the world of networking? We are not writing novels!
>Improve on your ENGLISH.
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
>
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