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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 14:57:24 EDT
From: Ed Paradis <IO20222@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Info wanted on MTB trails near Keystone/Vail, Colorado

I'll be in Keystone, CO in mid-October and would appreciate any
and all information on MTB rides and/or trails in the immediate area.

Also, I've been trying to obtain a copy of a book on rides in
Summit County, Colorado, but haven't been able to find one.
The book costs around ten dollars. The title of the book might
possibly be "MTB Guide to Summit County, CO".  Would anyone be able
to point me to a store or mail order outlet where I could find this
book?

Thanks!    Ed Paradis      IO20222@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: readore
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Trying to find my address
Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: prendergast@sed.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: nasa/jsc

Hi!	Where are you?
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: dinsmm@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore)
Subject: Any great rides in Albany,NY area?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:15:31 GMT

Greetings.
I am looking for some good mtn bike rides in the 
Troy - Albany area.  I have been on a trail by
the Mohawk river that was okay, but are there any
more around?

Regards, 

dinsmm@rpi.edu
Michael Dinsmore
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: RIDE STORY: Mount Madonna and Uvas Roads -- into a hot, dry headwind
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.205105.11147@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell) writes:
>center about a mile down the expressway, and Jules and Rick go into the liquor
>store and each buy a bottle of Gatorade.                                ======
 =====

Does this imply that Gatorade derives most of its egergy content from
C2H5OH? I wonder why Alko (or Systembolaget or Vinmonopolet, as far as
I know) doesn't sell it. Should I place a special order?
-- 
Ott-Vill R___________________        Nyrxfnagreva_xngh wn Xhavaxnna_xngh
ovr@vipunen.hut.fi                           ba erunovyvgbvgnin!
From: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Need Bay Area MTB ride suggestions
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:27:54 GMT
Reply-To: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California


I want to go on a full-day MTB ride somewhere in the bay area (or within a 1.5 
hour drive). Could some of you share your favorite rides.  Looking for moderately
hilly terrain, single tracks are okay as long as they're not too difficult. 
We've already explored Briones & Wildcat Canyon and want to try something new.

If I get enough suggestions, I'll post a summary.

Thanks.

Joe.
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Is 580 near Livermore bike-legal?
Keywords: yosemite route
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:46:38 PDT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SFBAC

Generally speaking, an interstate highway this urban is off-limits
to bikes, especially since there is an easy, admittedly longer bike
route on East Road.  I don't know if there is a frontage road here
or not.  If you were planning on taking Vasco Road to get over the
hump into the Central Valley, I recommend that you consider taking
Altamont Pass Road instead, which is much nicer.  This is easily 
accessed from taking East and then right on Greenville.  As I 
remember, there was a small stretch of 205 that was legal for bikes
I took east of Tracy to get through the I5-I205 intersection area.
The big disadvantage of this route on a double is that the route in
this area is complicated, requiring reference to the map rather
frequently.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: e140-an@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: EASY rides in the Berkeley/East Bay Area
Summary: very easy
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:38:11 GMT

Yesterday, I went for a ride up Spruce to Tilden.  Wow, was that a mistake!
I know lots of people ride similar routes and have fun, but much of it was
too difficult for me; primarily, the course was too hilly for me.

I'm interested in very moderate to easy rides around Cal.  Given the
topology of the region, I know avoiding hills is somewhat difficult, but I'd
like to ride some relatively flat routes, from 10 to 25 miles.

Mostly, I'm riding for the exercise and to improve my health.  I'm thinking
of riding fairly early in the mornings (around 6:30 to 7A).  If anyone has
any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your input.  Please email any
responses as I don't read this group very often.  Thanks in advance.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: e140-an@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: Re: EASY rides in the Berkeley/East Bay Area
Summary: Climbing hills
Keywords: Thanks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:11:48 GMT

Thanks to all who replied.  I'd just like to add that on Monday I rode down
Centennial.  I wish I still had my Cateye Solar to see how fast I went.  I've
ridden down some hills and gotten to decent speeds, but Centennial is faster
than anything I've seen.

After a few weeks, maybe you'll see me struggling up Spruce.  Right now, it
looks like I'll need a few years to get used to that thing.  I could use a
39T small ring instead of my 42, but I'll save the money and time and just
ruin my knees.

                                             Albert Chi
                                             chi@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: sagerian@rtsg.mot.com (Steve M. Sagerian)
Subject: Applecidar century 
Summary: Selling my confirmed entry to the Applecidar century
Keywords: Have a single confirmed entry for sale
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: 'midwest'
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:58:24 GMT

hello fellow cyclists,
I have a single confirmed AppleCider Century ticket for sale, I will not be 
able to go this year, so I would like to get my entry fees back, the ticket 
includes an extra large t-shirt and the pasta supper after the ride. The Apple
Cider century is a really great ride. I am sorry to do this and miss all my old
friends (and the one's I havent met yet) but circumstances....
call me at home if you would like to buy this ticket.

Steve

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
= Steve Sagerian WorkPhone 708-632-5321 Home Phone 708-263-7084	  =
=		sagerian@motcid.rtsg.mot.com	 		  = 
=   "The Real voyage consists not in seeking new landscape but	  = 
=    in having new eyes..." -- Proust				  =
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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: WA & OR Touring Info
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:28:48 GMT

> toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:

>Wow, what season did you do it in? When we did the west coast in August
>1987, it only rained one day out of 3+ weeks! (Of course, I suppose that
>was in the middle of the draught...)
                          ^^^^^^^
You must have stopped at all the micro breweries and brew pubs like I did.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on MTB trails near Keystone/Vail, Colorado
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:58:48 GMT

In article <92259.145724IO20222@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Ed Paradis <IO20222@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> I'll be in Keystone, CO in mid-October and would appreciate any
> and all information on MTB rides and/or trails in the immediate area.

To Ed and anyone else interested:  Summit County Community Development
Department puts out a little pamphlet, Summit County Bike Path and Mountain
Bike Map.  It's free at a lot of local stores, so I bet you could get
one by sending a SASE to:

Summit County Government
Community Development Department
Post Office Box 68
Breckenridge, CO  80424

-- 
/\                Ilana Stern DoD#009  ilana@ncar.ucar.edu 
  \_][ <--NCAR       Colorado...is totally rectangular.
      \_Boulder______________________________________________________Kansas__
From: jamie@sirius.digital.co.jp (James Lyall)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: biking through China/Asia
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:23:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Digital Electronics Corp., Osaka, Japan

I hope this will get through...

I am planning to set off next year on a cycling trip through China and
Asia, starting somewhere between HongKong and Korea, and heading West.
Most likely, I will be taking the northern route, so my path would be
something like:

	Korea - China - Mongolia - Russia - China - Nepal - India -
	- Pakistan? - Afghanistan? - ??? - Turkey? - etc... 

I know this sounds like a very ambitious trip, and I am not absolutely
convinced that I will make it the whole way, but I am very keen on making
a go at it, and maybe even riding all the way home (to western Canada)!!

I have done some touring before - most notably down the West Coast from
Vancouver to Los Angelas last year.  I will probably be riding my
6 year old commuting-touring-off-road-racing-triathalon-mountain bike
(an old Fisher Montare) and riding with a friend or two, if I can talk
them into it.  (is anyone interested in a big ride starting next year
between April and October??)  (I have been wanting to retire my Fisher
for a few years now - This trip will certainly be its last!)
 
I know that a trip through Asia will entail infinitely more complications
than riding in California, so I am wanting to hear from anyone who has had
a similar experience, or who knows of any books about such an adventure.
Any miscellaneous advice and discussion about riding in Asia or long-range
touring in general would also be appreciated.

Gombarimasu-yo
Jamie           jamie@nanko.digital.co.jp

ps: If you are posting, please be sure to distribute to "world" as I am reading
from Japan (I hope this gets across the pacific).  E-mail would be fine.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Subject: Re: biking through China/Asia
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:31:02 GMT

In article <JAMIE.92Sep10212310@sirius.digital.co.jp>, jamie@sirius.digital.co.jp (James Lyall) writes:
|> I hope this will get through...

It did...

|> I am planning to set off next year on a cycling trip through China and
|> Asia, starting somewhere between HongKong and Korea, and heading West.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My only suggestion... be careful that you start on dry land :-)

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
From: egolub@cs.umd.edu (Evan Golub)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: WANTED : Bike Paths in College Park area
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:34:19 GMT
Distribution: um
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


    I am looking for some places where I can ride my bike nice
and leisurly.  I am on Cherry Hill Road.  I am looking for a 
place where I do not need to deal with cars.

Thanks.				-Evan Golub-






From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:56:47 GMT
Subject: Mt. Evans Certain Death Ride
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Century
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:57:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <88959@netnews.upenn.edu>, slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T.
Slawe) wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, I did my FIRST century the other day, on Sunday! ... It's a great 
> confidence booster, and now I have a nifty patch to sew somewhere prominent!  
> Maybe I'll just staple it to my forehead.

Congratulations!  That first century is one of the most important
milestones you'll ever reach in cycling.

And if you ever figure out what to do with century patches, let us all
know...

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: mac4@cec1.wustl.edu (Miguel Angel Cotignola)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: St. Louis, and mountainbike
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:01:51 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

Hello

I looking for somebody willing to ride mountainbike over the weekend in 
St. Louis area.  Yesterday I went with my girldfriend to Castlewood state
park, it is not incredible but it was fun.  So if anybody is interted just
write me back and we will talk, thanks.

				Miguel
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: Commute from SF to South SF (Harbor Point)?
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:53:36 GMT


Does anyone commute from SF to So. San Francisco? I have a route
mapped out and I have even driven on the route by car to see
where the danger areas are and also to scope out how steep
the hills are. Everything looks ok except for one area.

The section I am having trouble with is the area around
Oyster Point. First I take Tunnel Rd, turn left on Lagoon Way,
right on Sierra Point. Sierra Point turns into Parkway. This
is the trouble area. From here I would like to ride over to
Harbor Point (Gateway and Forbes), but there is no road.There
looks like there is maybe a dirt road, but there is a huge sign saying
"No trespassing!" I am forced to backtrack to Bayshore Blvd and
come across Oyster Point Blvd.

Does anyone know of another way to proceed from Oyster Point
to Harbor Point via a unmarked dirt animal path or along
railroad tracks or other?         

Thanks,
Vivian
viviana@tamri.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Subject: MTB: Wanted, good trails in western states
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 06:56:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

Over the next few weeks, I'll be driving from the CA bay area to Salina,
KS.  I'm taking the MTB, and I'd like to make a few stops to explore new
trails and break the monotony and physical immobility associated with such
a long drive.  My route isn't set yet, and doesn't have to be the most
efficient route (a fun, twisty, smooth road on the way to the trailhead is
a plus; as far as MTB trails, I prefer shady, narrow, fast singletrack and
dislike extremely steep hot climbs).  I probably want to keep the rides
to a couple of hours each due to time contraints.

It looks like I can go through Moab and Durango (and check out the
Durango SuperMex that MBA is always talking about!) without going too far
out of the way, and I'll probably do that unless I hear of an outstanding
trail that makes it worth taking a different route.  I always hear about
Rim Cyclery in Moab, so I guess I should plan on stopping there and
asking them about local rides, right?  How about Durango -- any
recommendations, or should I just check the yellow pages for "Super
Mex", go look for the wrecking crew and ask them where to ride? :-)
Any especially good trails in NV, UT, northern AZ and NM, southern WY, or
western KS (especially the last -- that part of the drive is really dull,
so it would be great to be able to stop and go for a fun ride mid-way)?
How about the Grand Canyon -- are there any relatively short (no full-
canyon descents -- won't have time) fun rides there?

I'd appreciate any pointers ...

	...Akkana			akkana@netcom.com
(and if I don't get the car back together in the next couple days,
I'm gonna be *riding* the MTB to Salina ...)
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From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: New York City Century
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:17:44 GMT
Keywords: Short Ride Report



NYC Century - a brief summary - 9/13/92

SUMMARY:  Well run tour.  Worth the money & worth the time.
Road bike not advised - Rough roads.  Lotta' stop-n-go due
to traffic lights/signs.  A couple of hills beginning at mile 90.

WORTH THE MONEY:  Beautifully scenic views of the city and bays, mostly flat 
tour, well run.  Contrary to their reputation, motorists were accommodating.
More so than in NJ (my home).  Perhaps because they're more used to having
cyclists around?  SPECIFICS: Watching the sun rise while crossing the Brooklyn 
Bridge, a quiet ride through Prospect Park, views of the New York bay while 
rounding the south side of Brooklyn, the globe et.al. in Flushing Meadows, 
Velodrome in Kissena Park (I've never been on one before and was tempted to 
go around a couple of extra times), the views on Little Neck bay, Shea Stadium, 
the whole tour through the north Bronx (particularly Flushing Bay & VanCourtland
park), Riverside drive, and I even liked the final ride down 11th ave (partly 
because it was downhill and with the wind).

COMPLAINTS:  Rough roads everywhere.  Glass on Belt Parkway, Ridgewood 
Reservior loop unsightly and in poor condition, slow going through downtown 
Mott Haven, boring Eastchester suburbia (eastern Bronx), Killer hill in 
Riverdale (at mile 90), downhill in Riverdale like riding through a stream 
bed, no recovery food/drink at finish.  Oh yeah, and someone broke into my car 
while I was riding....

b.katz
"nobody will take responsibility for my opinions"
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: wanted: bike route through Castroville
Keywords: castroville
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 12:12:08 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SFBAC

Get off Route 1 at Castroville by taking an oblique left turn onto 
the main street.  On the other side of town you will pass over 
an overpass.  Just on the other side is a gas station.  Turn 
right just ahead of the station on a dead end road.  The bike path
is at the end of this road.
From: jhcooper@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Hutton Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Wanted - rides around SF Bay Area
Date: 8 Sep 1992 04:02:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

I like Tilden Park.  Other East Bay Regional Parks are also available.
Call (510) 635-0135 and you can get a map to any park as well as
a summary guide to the whole park system.

"Mountain Biking in the Bay Area" by Michael Hodgson and Mark Lord
has recommended mountain bike rides.  It has two volumes: one for
North of the City and one for South of the City.  I think Fremont
is right on the border.  I've seen these books in lots of bike shops.
Some libraries may have it too.

If you come across any hot tips will you e-mail me, please?  Thanks.
-- 

"Besides, it's clearly a bunny rabbit."		      John Hutton Cooper
- Lt. Com. Data, discussing random gas patterns       jhcooper@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
From: peper@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mike Peper)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:08:25 GMT
Subject: Europe tour info wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides

Hello-

Three of us are quite interested in 'doing Europe' on bikes next summer.
If any of you have any info that would help me, I'd sure appreciate
hearing from you.  Ideas:

- Organized tour companies
   - any good ones or *bad* ones?
   - any more/less expensive?
   - any experiences with these kinds of tours would be very helpful
- Any favorite parts of Europe to ride through? Any unpleasant parts?
- Anything I am too ignorant to know I should be asking advice on!

We are med(2) to excellent(1) cyclists looking for 2 weeks or so of 30-ish
mile days (not including daily side-trips as desired).  Leaning towards
the tour idea (they carry gear, etc), but interested in opinions both ways.
Cost is a definite factor, but we want a quality time too, and are willing
to pay what it takes to get that.

Hope this is not a FAQ, thanks to anyone who can offer advice!!

Mike Peper
peper@hpisla.lvld.hp.com
From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Cycling Paradises, MTB
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:52:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania


On my usual Sunday ride in the woods, I was talking to someone about how
great it is to live in a city where there are great mountain biking trails
(technical, fair climbs and decents, good cross-country trails), but still
close enough to the city that you can get there with little hassle.  We
aggreed that the best thing was the fact that one could ride from the
center of the city out to the meeting point in the park (~10 miles) with
minimal contact with motorized vehicles.  (Basically, paths or trails take
us all the way into the park.)  This is very nice on the ride home when I
can be rather exhausted and don't want to deal with the traffic.

I know this is a broad question, but where else can people ride like this?
I was just in Austin, TX this summer and access to Barton Creek seemed to
be pretty good with a number of "hike/bike" paths.  Unfortunately, Town
Lake isn't nearly as easy to get to...

If you think there will be too much traffic, you can e-mail directly to me
and I will summarize.

Jack Vinson			vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu     
When the justice system is for "just us" we are in trouble!
QUIT
t us" we are in trouble!
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From: e140-an@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: EASY rides in the Berkeley/East Bay Area
Summary: very easy
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:44:27 GMT

Yesterday, I went for a ride up Spruce to Tilden.  Wow, was that a mistake!
I know lots of people ride similar routes and have fun, but much of it was
too difficult for me; primarily, the course was too hilly for me.

I'm interested in very moderate to easy rides around Cal.  Given the
topology of the region, I know avoiding hills is somewhat difficult, but I'd
like to ride some relatively flat routes, from 10 to 25 miles.

Mostly, I'm riding for the exercise and to improve my health.  I'm thinking
of riding fairly early in the mornings (around 6:30 to 7A).  If anyone has
any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your input.  Please email any
responses as I don't read this group very often.  Thanks in advance.


Albert Chi                       The California Golden Bears and
chi@ucsee.berkeley.edu           Russell White's wild ride for the Heisman
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: biking through China/Asia
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.

In article 92Sep10212310@sirius.digital.co.jp, jamie@sirius.digital.co.jp (James Lyall) writes:
>I know that a trip through Asia will entail infinitely more complications
>than riding in California, so I am wanting to hear from anyone who has had
>a similar experience, or who knows of any books about such an adventure.
>Any miscellaneous advice and discussion about riding in Asia or long-range
>touring in general would also be appreciated.
>


_Miles from Nowhere_, by ( I think) Barbara Savage, Mountaineer Press, is a nice
narration of a bike tour covering similar terrain. I did some of the area in 1986
(Nepal,. India (mostly in the south), and southeast Asia and could possibly
answer specific questions about those areas. 

I also got a card from a friend last night who just got back from biking in northern
India (I met her in the south in 86). She said it was a bit tough, long distance between
water, etc. But you'll certainly find that elsewhere. As fas as water goes, take a lot
of containers and some purifying chemical; I used iodine drops with pretty good
resultls (only got sick in Burma).

Feel free to e-mail if I can be of any assistance.

Al
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