From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: Private Education in Pakistan
Date: 26 Dec 1992 19:25:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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>>	Ever heard, ek qadam aagay, toe doe qadam peech'hay. i.e. One step
>>	forward, two steps backward. Pakistan is only two steps backward
>>	all the time. Two years ago we had Mr. 10%, now recently someone
>>	mentioned there is a Mr. 90%.
>>	Education system in Pakistan is such that middle class is taught
>>	in its Islamiat class in grade nine, that "Alraashi Val-murtashi
>>	Kullaa-humaa fin-nar" i.e. People who take and give bribes
>>	will both get the hell fire.  But, do you think people like
>>	Zardari go thru same classes. No, he is a St. Patricks Drop-out.
>>	Oh, please dont tell me about his educational achievements in UK :-)
>>	In other words, people who finally get the control of Govt. etc
>>	in Pakistan are never told in their education that what is wrong
>>>	with taking rishvats( Commissions) :-)
>>	Pakistan needs mass education. How we are gonna get money
>>	to do this. Take money from people like Navaz Sharif( who took
>>	out billions of loans from Govt. Banks during Zia's time and never
>>	returned a paisaa) and Zardari( who collected 10%) and 
			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>A large part of your postings is about Asif Zardari. You have referred to him as
>a corrupt person a lot of times. I really wonder what makes you so confident
>about these claims. So far, each of the cases decided upon has shown him
>innocent. Is it possible that there are other reasons for your hatred for this
>person who has been in jail for past two years and has not been proven guilty
>on even one of the charges... to keep whom in jail, the president has limited
>the powers of high court judges for the first time after the end of Zia's
>Martial Law?

	First of all, since when do you believe that the current President
of Pakistan is an honest person. He is an idiot.  Why should he or Zia care
about Paksitan's high court. 
	Coming back to Zardari, Mr. 10%, please read Saad Shafqat's
shafqat say bhurpoor story of Zardari.  No I have no reason to hate 
Zardari except that he is a crook, jahil, rishvat-khore, and has no class.
Jaan-nay vaalay jaantay hai'n that several years ago he got a girl pregnant
in Karachi. When he refused to marry her( yeh to bechpan say P.M. say shadi
kernaa chahtay thay!) she committed suicide.  The fact that Bezamir
married him  shows that she herself has no class.

>>	Gauhar Ayub( future President of Pakistan who was the biggest
>>	rishvat khore of 60's) and open schools in Jehlum, Tharparkar,
>>	and haripur. There is enough money in Pakistan, but it is 
>>	stolen by Shiyateens. 
>>	You will notice that those who make money by working hard and
>>	these people usually come from good family backgrounds, will
>>	always invest back in the community. Hakeem Saeed should be
>>	congratulated on his efforts to open a University called
>>	Hamdard University outside Karachi. In my 21 days in Karachi 
>>	after 9 years, I was able to visit Hamdard University last
>>	year. It is a huge project, and the resident project engineer
>>
>>	told me that it will be completed by 96/97. To my amazement
>>	I saw books like Kuo's control Engineering, and Morris Mano's
>>	Computer Logic Design. I saw boxes and boxes of books dnated by
>
>Looks like you went to Karachi after too long a time. We used Mano's book
	Yes, I was there after a long long time. I did not really 
	expect Kuo's control engineering's new edition and Mano's
	book in Hamdard University's library.

>at ICS Karachi in 1988 :) 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

ICS may perh ker bhee naa-shukray ho! BCCI had an effect on your life too :-)

>>	people like you and me and us to HU's library. Hamdard Foundation
>>	has allocated 200 crores of Rupees for the project. When I asked
>>	the Chief Financial Officer of Hamdard Foundation about donation
>>	from other resources, he said that there is almost none from
>>	Pakistani industrialists. So there is some hope. But we need 
>>	more people like Hakeem Saeed. Aga Khan University is another
>
>I guess Hakeem Saeed owes a lot to Pakistan... Let me give you a hint...
>If I'm not wrong, Hamdard is the biggest importer of cortisone in Pakistan. 
>No wonder Rooh Afza makes one feel great :) :)

	I do not know why Rooh Afza makes one feel great( Does it ?), but
	you are right that Hakeem Saeed owes a lot to Pakistan. HE has made 
	millions and billions in Pakistan. He is doing what he should.
	He must spend money on projects in Pakistan and he is doing so.
	Yes, he owes a lot to Pakistan. And I guess, he knows that.

>There aren't many philanthropists in Pakistan. These are all ways of bribing
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree, we should have more.

>the government.... and appeasing the people. Same applies to Agha Hasan Abdi's
>CS schools.

	Chalyae app kee baat sir-aankho'n per, to yeh irshaad keejyae
	kay aissee bribes why not from Jatoi, Bhutto and NAvaz Sharif.
	This is one bribe I will support. I am anxious to see Bugtee
	opening a school in Dera Bugti to bribe the govt. or his people.
	Why rishvat khore zardari does not give such bribe to
	one lakh jahils of his zardari tribe. They need such bribes.
	How come the thief Navaz Sharif who stole billions of rupees,
	does not give a sadqaa-khairaat to the poor of Pakistan and
	opens a school in Laala Moosa. 
	I support these bribes to the people of Pakistan from Aga Khan,
	Adamjee, Hakeem Saeed, And Agha Hasan Abdi, and N.E. Dinshaw.
	Thanks to the bribe from Agha Hasan Abdi, you got educated in
	computer science in Pakistan. I had to freeze my ass in
	Cleveland starting 1981, because no one made had such a bribe yet.
	Thanks to the bribe from Adamjees. This bribe made me go to
	Adamjee college for HSC. Thanks to the rishvat from N.E.D. that
	I was able to attend N.E.D. U. for a week. Too bad for me that
	no murtishi had given a bribe yet for forming a comp. engr dept
	in Paksitan and I had to come to U.S.
	Jamali, this is one bribe I am looking forward for the rest 
	of Pakistanis.
	

>>	such example. Even BCCI donated money for two computer science
>>	colleges( one each in lahore and karachi). Agha Hasan Abdi should
>>	also be thanked by Pakistan for providing seed money for the
>>	new engineering school which is going to start under the leadership
>>	of Dr. A. Qadir Khan. I did not like it to be named after
>>	Ghulam Ishaq though. For what. What is Ghulam Ishaq's contribution
>>	to any thing in Pakistan. But, any way...

>Gimme a break :) Had he not been there, who would have sacked Bhutto.. 
	Yes, Ishaq is as bad as bhutto.

>>	In 1992 I also saw a new school in Gulshan-e-Iqbal which was
>>	built by the Chinyoti Community of Karachi.
>>	So people are doing things, but much more has to be done.
>>	There is no reason why there should not be upto 10 Universities in
>>	Karachi and another 10 in Lahore. These are big cities.
>
>Karachi is a much larger city than Lahore, if I'm not wrong. How come you're
>biased against Karachi?
	Muhaavaratan bolaa thaa meri jaan. Agar ek ek college bhee open ho
	jaa-ae Karachi or Lahore may, toe voh bhee enayat ho gee.

	But If I had a choice I will spend more on Education in Panjab than
	in any other place in Pakistan. The reason is that 60% of Pakistan
	lives in Panjab. Even if Karachi is educated, it can not do jack shit 
	when people in Panjab send people like asghar khan, mustafa khar,
	jatoi( Sind's reject) and other juhulaa to our national assembly.
	Even if rest of the 40% of Pakistan is educated, 60% people can
	send enough jahils to the assembly who can select Navaz or Bezamir
	as Primeminister. But, if Panjab was educated and selected the
	rulers who cared about Pakistan,  then Education, industry, prosperity
	will automatically come to Pakistan.
	Thus I will support preferential treatment for Panjab in Education.
	Strong Panjab means strong Pakistan eventually.
	Education in Panjab is a must for Pakistan's taraqqee.
	Jehaalet in Panjab will destroy Pakistanis in other provinces too.


>>	How about more colleges for Gwadar and Pasni. Why Bugti
>>	does not donate the money he has looted for the establishment
>>	of just one school in Dera Bugti. How come Zardari does not
>>	spend money in Lyari on education or in Sindh's rural areas.
>>	No do not expect Mr. 10% to do any such thing. All this money is
>>	shipped out of Pakistan. 
>
>Now now.... what's the point in that rhetoric...
	Too bad, you still dont see the point.  
	You dont see any point in opening schools and colleges in
	Pasni, Gwadar, Navabshah, and Lyari ?!?!?!?
	

>>>	Some people, esp. Saad Shafqat has suggested that main idea
>>>	in Pakistan should be to make money. But unfortunatley money
>>	is being made by people like Navaz and Zardari. These guys will
>>	not invest a penny in education or anything. These people even
>>	rob country of its tax money. Do we expect these theives and
>>	rishvat khores to spend money in education in Pakistan. No way.

>Same again... what's your point? If these people are corrupt, what's
>the point in blaming them for not spending money on education. You sure
>do have a short concentration span :)
	
	The reason is that people like you dont really believe that 
	navaz and zardari and etc are corrupt, crooks, and thieves.
	Once you and others see the problem, we may be able to
	find a solution.

>>		Private professional schools, colleges, Universities
>>	should be opened in Pakistan. Baqai Medical College in Karachi
>>	is a good example. People should come forward and open schools
>>	in Pakistan for profit. 

>Your posting is full of non sequiturs. Why don't you just make one standard
>posting saying:

>I don't like Benazir Bhutto (bitch)
>I don't like Asif Zardari (Mr. 10%)
>I don't like Nawaz Sharif
>I hate Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
>I don't like Gauhar Ayub
>I don't like ....

>....

	I know! I should make a standard file which should be appended
to all my postings.  The stories of these bastards should be repeated
thousand times on the net so that every one of us knows how these 
people have screwed Pakistan in past and how do they plan to take  more 
money from Pakistan in future. Gauhar Ayub's case should be discussed.
Why should this idiot be the next President of Pakistan.
 
....
I like Nadeem Jamali :)
	I have no reason to hate you!

>and then you can post the same thing 10 times a day. It'll be so easy for me
>to reply. I'll make a standard reply saying:

>Who cares!! :)
	If you are serious about yourself, your future, and the people of 
Pakistan, then you should care. STOP GAUHAR AYUB FROM BECOMING PAKISTAN'S
				NEXT PRESIDENT.

>	More later
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland.

>regards
>Nadeem

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland.