From: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Sivavaakiyar
Reply-To: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:26:51 GMT
Expires: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 05:00:00 GMT


In a previous article, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) says:

>In article <kat.726168986@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>> [ some deleted]
>
>>   This knowledge is spiritual and not obtained in texts and slOkaas
>>recited in temples. sivavaakiyar says:
>
>> "gnaana noolakaL thEdiyE navinRa gnaana yOgikaaL
>>  gnaanamaana sOdhiyai naadi uL aRikileer
>>  gnaanam aagi ninRa thOr naathanai aRinthapin
>>  gnaanam allathu illai vERu naam uraiththathu
>>   uNmaiyE!"
>
>     Sivavaakkiyar was a great Siddha and had contributed many 
>     thoughtful songs. Kathiravan, if you have his songs 
>     can you please post now and again. I wonder you have his song
>     wherein he says " Odi Odi utkalandha Sothiyai
>                       Naadi Naadi NatkaLum odina

   I remember only the first two lines :

  `Odi Odi Odi Odi utkalandha sOthiyai
   naadi naadi naadi naadi naatkaLum kazhindhana..'

   Another popular song of Sivavaakiyar is the verse:

 ` kaRandha paal mulai_pukaa kadaintha veNNai mOr_pukaa
   udaindhu pOna sanginOsai uyirkaLum udaR_pukaa
   virindha_poo udhirndha kaayum meendu pOy maram_pukaa
   iRandhavar piRappa thillai yillaiyillai yillaiyE '

  In this verse, he strongly refutes the theory of 
 transmigration believed by the Hindus.

 Translation:

 kaRandha paal mulai pugaa = milk does not return to the 
                             udder ( paal =milk, mulai = udder,
                             pugudhal = enter, pugaa means 
                             pugu + aa = not return ) 

 kataindha veNNai mOr pukaa = butter does not return to the
                              butter-milk ( veNNai = butter,
                              mOr = buttermilk, kataithal is
                              the act of extracting butter
                              from curd. The curd becomes
                              butter-milk, when the butter
                              shows up. )

 utaindhu pOna sanginOsai  =  the life within the sea-shell
  uyirkaLum udal pukaa        when it breaks does not return
                              to its body ( sangu = sea-shell,
                              udaithal = breaking, hence 
                              udaindhu pOna = after it breaks,
                              uyirkaL = life and udal = body )

 virindha poo              = the blown flower ( poo = flower,
                             virindha = blown, here a flower 
                             blown away by the wind is referred to. )

 udhirndha kaai            = fallen fruit ( kaai = fruit, 
                             udhirndha = fallen, a fruit fallen
                             on the ground by wind or animals like
                             squirrels is referred to. )

 meeNdu pOy maram pukaa    = they do not return to their tree
                             ( maram = tree, meeNdu pOy = raising )

 iRandhavar piRappadhu illai = the dead are not born ( iRandhavar =
                               the dead, piRappu = birth, illai = no.
                                Sivavakkiyar says that like the milk
                                not returning to the udder, the butter
                                not returning to the butter-milk, the
                                life in a broken sea-shell not returning
                                to its body, like the blown flowers,
                                fallen fruits not returning to their
                                tree, the dead are not born. This
                                refutal stems from his observations on
                                nature. )

 illai, illai, illaiyE     = never, never, never ! ( illai = no,
                             here Sivavaakiyar gives emphasis to his
                             refutal. ) 


>>Kathiravan.  
>
>    -Selva

-- 
sundara pandian
ah724@yfn.ysu.edu