HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nowacki@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (roman.nowacki)
Subject: Re: Telekomunikacja i "acquisitions"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:30:24 GMT
Summary: need more info on GLOBCOM 92

In article <ANDRZEJ.93Jan8001508@bcars268.bnr.ca>, andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.174322.7570@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> nowacki@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (roman.nowacki) writes:
> 
>    1) 
>    Jaki jest stan polskiego przemyslu telekomunikacyjnego (centrale telefoniczne,
>    aparaty telefoniczne, answering/machines itd.)? Jakie sa rokowania na przyszlosc?
> 
> W "proceedings" z ostatniego GLOBCOM ('92, Orlando, FL) jest kilka "papers"
> dotyczacych telekommunikacji w EE. Sesja #45.
> 
> Drugi "paper" w tej sesji to "Telecommunications Switching in Poland - Present
> Status and Future Prospects" by A. Jajszczyk and W. Kabacinski.
> 
> Trzeci "paper" to "What Technology fo Switching Systems to Adopt in Central 
> and Eastern Europe (CEE) Countries" by A. Zielinski i J. Michna z Instytutu
> Telecommunikacji w Warszawie (Mr. Zielinski to Dyrektor  tegoz instytutu).
> 

Does anybody have more info on how to get GLOBCOM 92 proceedings?
What were - if there were - the conclusions of those talks? Is there
enough space and money for all major telecommunication giants
(Siemens, AT&T, NT, Alcatel, Ericson) who dream about Polish gold. Will some
be surprised and forced to forget the dream. Who would be the leading
candidate to get out off ring first? Will GLOBCOM 92 articles put any
light on those issues?

 
    Pozdrowienia
 
    Roman Nowacki
 
 
    -----------------------------------
    Naperville, Illinois, USA
    rom@iwfap.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: RE: Groch z kapusta (sample copy)
From: bielewcz@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Date: 23 DEC 92 04:44:15 CST
Organization: University of Winnipeg

Poszukuje Marka S. Bogdana

oraz

Eryka Dutkiewicza

celem ustalenia dokladnosci adresu elektronicznego,
gdyz przesylka "Grochu z Kapusta" nr 13 wrocila
do mnie odbita od nieznanego adresata, ze sie tak
wyraze.

Przy okazji zachecam w dalszym ciagu do zglaszania
do mnie indywidualnych prenumeratur na ten krajowy
periodyk rozpowszechniany za granica.

Moj adres: <bielewcz@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>

Mirek Bielewicz
From: bzfstoer@ZIB-Berlin.DE (Mechthild Stoer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Some more comments in English language,
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:24:33 GMT
Organization: Konrad Zuse-Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bzfstoer@ZIB-Berlin.DE
NNTP-Posting-Host: kombi3.zib-berlin.de

Some more comments from a German speaking Polish:

The best way for me to learn about Polish affairs was to learn Polish
and read some newspapers.
s.c.p. was a great for improving my Polish,
and getting to know some interesting views and the persons behind them.
I think that's the sense of all these s.c. groups.

If one cannot very well write in Polish,
one could just as well answer the postings in English.
That has happened several times and it was well received.
But it's completely useless to convince people to write everything
or only summaries in English.
This here is no newspaper but a discussion group
(und da redet jeder, wie ihm der Schnabel gewachsen ist.)

Mechthild czyli Matylda

From: jsw@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jacek Walicki)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:47:43 GMT
Subject: Poland suspects
Organization: 40N31m31s_105W0m43s
From: kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Chris Kniaz -Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Jasiu/Jasio
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:20:02 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan11.190756.1543@eng.ufl.edu> lbs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Lech Borkowski) writes:
>In article <MICHALJ.93Jan9134335@ccfs1.fuw.edu.pl> michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski) writes:
>>Wedlug prof. Miodka uzycie formy z -u jako mianownika jest bledne.
>>Jesli znajde troche czasu (czytaj: nigdy), to poszukam u innych
>>jezykoznawcow. Zreszta, przynajmniej w Warszawie, forma ta jest
>>spotykana bardzo rzadko.
>>
>>   Michal J.
>
>Jezyk jest wlasnoscia ludzi, ktorzy go uzywaja a nie akurat
>jakiegos tam Miodka. A z Warszawocentryzmem nie
>przesadzajmy. 
>
> Lech Borkowski

Nie popadajmy w antystoliczna paranoje. Uzycie wolacza zamiast mianownika
jest bledem gramatycznym. Kiedys tak sie paru skolarow (nie mylic ze
skalarami) umowilo i tak juz pozostalo (choc podpisujac sie, podkreslamy
autorstwo tekstu; nie chcemy zas przywolywac kogos o identycznym imieniu).
Podobnie umowna jest pisowna Jasiu zamiast Jasio'.

Zreszta, moze odczytalismy intencje autora opacznie: moze on wcale
sie nie podpisywal Jasiu, tylko wolal do nieznanego Jasia, zeby tenze
wyciagnal dlon przez siec i ulzyl niedoli samotnego (?) rodaka. ;-) 

Szacunek,
-- 

Krzysztof Kniaz, Penn |  
LRSM ,                | "A witty saying proves nothing"
Phila, PA, 19104, USA |                 Voltaire
From: osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Some more comments in English language, please
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:41:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1993Jan3.164251.2709@news.uni-stuttgart.de> zrfp0406@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Hertzer) writes:
>>In article <haverkam.110.725720087@uni-duesseldorf.de> haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp) writes:
>>
>>>Unfortunately most people in other countries who
>>>are interested in Polish affairs are not able to
>>>understand your language.
>>>Therefore I would appreciate it very much if some
>>>more articles & comments would be in English language.
>>
>
>I aggree with Wilhelm Haverkamp for the same reasons.
>
>Joerg

The simplest way to get more English language postings on s.c.p. is
to start a new thread in English. Usually a reply to an English text
woud be posted in English. So if you, Joerg or Wilhelm or anybody else,
are interested in a specific topic, just go ahead and post it.

On the other hand, it is unrealistic to expect that Polish participants
of s.c.p. will stop using Polish as a means of communication. One important 
role of lists like s.c.p. is precisely to be able to exchange thoughts in 
one's native language. Nothing wrong with that. Plus, it provides a good
training for those who want to learn or practice Polish.

In addition, to those of you who are interested in Polish affairs but do
not read Polish, let me suggest that you subscribe to English version of
Donosy. It is a daily bulletin of news from Poland, prepared by
physicists at the Warsaw University.

Best wishes of a Happy New Year to all s.c.p. participants,

Marek Osinski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Jas a sprawa polska
From: <JXP121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:56:53 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Napotkalem kilka artykulow w sprawie Jasia, i tylko sam zainteresowany
napisal cos do rzeczy. Jest "Jasiu" albo "Jasio" bo "tak Mamusia wolala".
Tymczasem wyciagnieto juz artylerie jezykoznawcow. Proponuje jako nastepny
cel zajecie sie Jimmy (oczywiscie, Jamesem) Carterem oraz Billem (William)
Clintonem. A Panu Jasiowi dac wreszcie spokoj (expletive deleted).
From: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl (Maciek Uhlig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Wielka Orkiestra Swiatecznej Pomocy
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:25:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Silesian University

Sluchajcie, jestem pod wielkim wrazeniem wczorajszego finalu akcji
Wielkiej Orkiestry Swiatecznej Pomocy. Akcja ta byla prowadzona
od roku przez Jurka Owsiaka, fana rocka i prezentera TV, ktory
zdobyl sobie autentyczne zaufanie mlodziezy. Na koncertach rockowych
zbierano fundusze na operacje dla dzieci z wrodzonymi wadami serca.
Jedna operacja kosztuje 40 mln zl. W ubieglym roku zebrano pieniadze
na 10 operacji. A wczoraj byl final. Sluchajcie, to bylo cos niesamowitego!
W calej Polsce zebrano na koncertach, na ulicach, w redakcjach gazet
grubo ponad 7 mld (7.000.000.000) zl.! A moze nawet ze 12 mld.! trudno
bylo policzyc, bo byly to drobne banknoty. Ludzie dawali obraczki,
bizuterie a nawet ZLOTY ZAB!
Sluchajcie, akcja trwa nadal. Jesli ktos chce pomoc chorym dzieciom,
niech wplaci forse na konto:

Fundusz Pomocy Dzieciom z Wadami Serca
BIG SA Warszawa - Cwierc Mrowki
429999-9579-131-10

PS. Owsiak jest wspanialy. Nie zastanawia sie, dlaczego rzad nie jest
w stanie zalatwic problemow sluzby zdrowia. Nie lubi politykow.
Mowi: zrobmy sami co mozemy, zeby pomoc dzieciom. A do prokuratorow
wola: zostawcie w spokoju nasza muzyke.

PS2. Osobiscie nie jestem zwolennikiem wielkich, spontanicznych akcji,
do ktorych Polacy sa idealnie stworzeni. Ale to bylo cos wspanialego.

Maciek

muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl [155.158.2.8]
Maciek Uhlig, Computer Center, Silesian University, Katowice, Poland
====================================================================
        "Imagine all the people sharing all the world" - John Lennon
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Co w Nowym Roku?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:26:45 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <46.2B469301@vkom.fidonet.org> vladek@vkom.fidonet.org (Vladek Komorek) writes:
<
<Chlopie, o czym ty bredzisz. Czys Ty sie szaleju najadl?
<O moze bys tak zaczal pisac powiesci fantastyczne?
<Z ubolewaniem
<Vladek
<

	Ze co?  Wybitny przerost formy nad trescia.

	Jasio
From: kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Chris Kniaz -Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Jaka ma byc pogoda w Polsce
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:26:59 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

w przyszlym tygodniu? Uprzejmie prosilbym o odpowiedz na moj prywatny adres
(kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu). 


-- 

Krzysztof Kniaz, Penn |  
LRSM ,                | "A witty saying proves nothing"
Phila, PA, 19104, USA |                 Voltaire
From: 4grodner_t@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Jas a sprawa polska (aka. ALMOST a forge...)
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:25:23 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1993Jan11.195402.19443@Arco.COM>, (Bobas) writes:
> In article <30009@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eagv17@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Babilas) writes:
>> Rece precz od Jasia.
>> 
>> Misiu.
> 
> 
> Misie precz do lasu.
> 
> Siusiu!

   ....and it was ALMOST a forge....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Jas a sprawa polska
From: (Bobas)
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:54:02 GMT
Reply-To: hell
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Organization: A company
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: zrfp0406@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Hertzer)
Subject: Re: Some more comments in English language, please
Organization: Comp. Cent. University of Stuttgart (RUS), FRG
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:56:29 GMT

In article <#fxrf!f@lynx.unm.edu> osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski) writes:
(something ommitted)
>The simplest way to get more English language postings on s.c.p. is
>to start a new thread in English. Usually a reply to an English text
>woud be posted in English. So if you, Joerg or Wilhelm or anybody else,
>are interested in a specific topic, just go ahead and post it.
Right, but I want to take part in discussions (or at least read about),
which are started by other persons.

>On the other hand, it is unrealistic to expect that Polish participants
>of s.c.p. will stop using Polish as a means of communication. One important 
>role of lists like s.c.p. is precisely to be able to exchange thoughts in 
>one's native language. Nothing wrong with that.
Ok, accepted as long as discussions with non polish people are not wanted.
But I assume that opinions from a foreigners point of view often
may be interesting.

>Plus, it provides a good
>training for those who want to learn or practice Polish.
No. Sorry, but this is not true for Polish because we use a medium,
which is not able to transfer those special Polish characters.
I have some (ok - poor) knowledge of Polish language. To me it is MUCH more
difficult to read a Polish text with US characters only against one which
includes full Polish character set. Can you imagine the problem
to find a character sequence like 'lazienka' in a Polish-<any other language>
dictionary, if you don't know if you have 'l' or 'l-', 'a' or 'a,' and so on?
(Hope you know what I mean with 'l-' and 'a,')

>In addition, to those of you who are interested in Polish affairs but do
>not read Polish, let me suggest that you subscribe to English version of
>Donosy. It is a daily bulletin of news from Poland, prepared by
>physicists at the Warsaw University.
I did so, and I was very glad about it, but:
THERE IS NO MORE AN ENGLISH TRANSLATION of Donosy since last summer!

Joerg
From: ABienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Request for correspondence with EFL Teacher
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:59:06 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


I am posting this on behalf of my cousin Stephanie who lives in Poland and
does not have net access.

Stephanie is 25 and recently completed an M.A. in English at the University
in Sosnowiec (Katowice) and now works as an English teacher at a grammar
school in her home town of Rybnik.

Although presently teaching at grammar school level she would very much like
to move onto teaching at University in the future.

To help her improve her teaching techniques, and also out of general
interest, she would very much like to correspond with an EFL (English as a
Foreign Language) teacher working at a University in the USA.

She would also like to find out about student exchange programmes arranged
in the USA. Who arranges them, addresses of organisations, etc.


Stephanie does not have access to email, so, if you think that you might
like to start up a correspondence with Stephanie, either:-

a) email your name, address and some information about yourself to me
   and I will pass it on via snail mail to Poland

or

b) email me and I will send you Stephanie's address in Poland.

By this means I will know how successful or otherwise this posting has
been and whether or not to try other news groups.

If you simply have information you would like to pass on, then either
email it to me, or email a request for Stephanie's address in Poland.

Alex Bienek
abienek@acorn.co.uk
From: michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Some more comments in English language, please
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:42:20 GMT
	<1993Jan7.135629.4381@news.uni-stuttgart.de> <qp1rs4h@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

>>>>> On Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:15:05 GMT, osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek
>>>>> Osinski) said:

Marek> In article <1993Jan7.135629.4381@news.uni-stuttgart.de>
Marek> zrfp0406@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Hertzer) writes:

Joerg>THERE IS NO MORE AN ENGLISH TRANSLATION of Donosy since last
Joerg>summer!

Marek> I am sorry to hear that. Michal Jankowski, could you please
Marek> tell us what happened? Is this just a temporary suspension?

Let's call it an 'indefinite suspension'.
Our translators (Przemek Klosowski and his wife Beata) don't have time
to do it anymore.

Volunteers, anyone?

   Michal
From: kkowalsk@pollux.usc.edu (Kazimierz Kowalski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Co w Nowym Roku?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:34:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


Idacy przez pustynie misjonarz spotyka lwa.
Przestraszony pada na kolana i wola:
B
- "Panie Boze natchnij to zwierze UCZUCIAMI (wartosciasmi) CHRZESCIJANSKIMI!"
Na to lew pada na kolana i prosi:
- "Panie Boze poblogoslaw posilek, ktory za chwile spozyje"

=============================================
KK (as in header)
From: jsw@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jacek Walicki)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:44:13 GMT
Subject: Re: co w nowym roku?
Organization: 40N31m31s_105W0m43s
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish

/ hpfcbig:soc.culture.polish / vladek@vkom.fidonet.org (Vladek Komorek) / 12:13 am  Jan  3, 1993 /
komentuje wypowiedz Pawla Dobrowolskiego:

| Chlopie, o czym ty bredzisz. Czys Ty sie szaleju najadl?
| O moze bys tak zaczal pisac powiesci fantastyczne?

Z czego wnioskuje iz p. Komorek ma inne zdanie na temat funkcjonowania 
religii w polskich szkolach. Bardzo jestem ciekaw jakie. (Bo ja nie mam
zadnego - zatem zbieram punkty widzenia 8-).

Z powazaniem -
Jacek Walicki.
From: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl (Maciek Uhlig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: akcja Ministerstwa Edukacji Narodowej w temacie 1981 roku
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:39:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Silesian University

Informuje, ze Ministerstwo Edukacji Narodowej prowadzi aktualnie akcje,
ktora polega na tym, ze w uczelniach zbierane sa informacje o tym,
ktorzy pracownicy byli internowani, zwolnieni, represjonowani, odsunieci
od zajec dydaktycznych w okresie stanu wojennego itp. Nie wiem, jaki jest
cel tego dzialania.
Uwazam jednak, ze MEN nie powinno zajmowac sie teraz kombatantami,
a naprawa stanu oswiaty i nauki w Polsce. Osobiscie nie chcialbym
wracac do 1981/2 roku, mimo ze pobyt w luksusowym osrodku wypoczynkowym
wykreslil mi pol roku z zyciorysu (a moze nie?).
Maciek 

muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl [155.158.2.8]
Maciek Uhlig, Computer Center, Silesian University, Katowice, Poland
====================================================================
        "Imagine all the people sharing all the world" - John Lennon
From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: Expresso 92/12/31
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:54:47 GMT
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.

In article <1993Jan7.182916.1@adcalc.fnal.gov> pires@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:

>Sera' que se pode comparar o numero de mortes (repare-se que nao e' o numero
>de acidentes) em paises em que as pessoas andam de Corsa ou de Uno com paises
>onde as pessoas andam de SAAB ou VOLVO (onde a probabilidade de morte para
>o mesmo tipo de acidentes e' muito diferente).  Isto para alem de consideracoes
>acerca do consumo de combustivel, ja' que entre um carro que consome 4l/100km
>e um que consome 10 ou 12, vai um factor 3...

Eu tambem salientei este facto na minha respsota a esta estatistica. Por
exemplo se considerares o numero de mortos por veiculos circulantes creio que a
Grecia nos ultrapassa e a distancia entre Portugal e os restantes paises
europeus e' menor ( ainda que bastante grande )

Ja' agora uma resposta a quem disse que nao era via'vel um limite por
condutor por causa do custo de um exame medico adequado devo dizer o seguinte.

Ha pessoas que nem sequer a 100 deviam andar . Nem a 80 . Talvez so' a 60 e se
calhar nao deviam sequer por o pe' numa autoestrada. Porque^ ? Porque nao
conseguem reagir, porque me caso de acidente tiram as maos do volante, porque
demoram 30 segundos antes de travarem, porque ao minimo problema entram em
panico etc ... 

Deixar estas pessoas conduzir a 120 e' tao perigoso como deixar um individuo
com bons reflexos conduzir a 180. E o que se passa hoje em dia em Portugal e'
que para teres um limite inferior a 120 tens de ser textualmente deficiente 
( sem ofensa ). Mas este facto e' sistematicamente ignorado na palhacada que 
sao os exames medicos que tens de fazer quando tiras a carta . 

Em minha opiniao mesmo com o limite de 120 estes testes deveriam ser feitos
para impedir certos condutores de fazerem as asneiras que se calhar ate' sao
responsaveis pelos acidentes que depois se atribuem ao excesso de velocidade.

-- 
Fernando Manuel Hourtiguet de Vasconcelos ( INESC ) 
Email:  fmhv@inesc.inesc.pt  Phone: +351 (1) 3100216 Fax: +351(1)525843 
Adress: Rua Alves Redol No 9, sala 208 Apartado 10105 
	1017 Lisboa CODEX - Portugal 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Subject: Re: Futebol - Jornada 17
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:39:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.090050.29606@inesc.pt> xarax@eniac.inesc.pt (Luis Antunes) writes:

>? = Uniao de Leiria
>
>Ja' agora, Uniao = ?, de Leiria, da Madeira, de Lamas, de Ulme ???
>

Nos resultados estava o clube em questao , o Uniao da Madeira. Na classificacao
o nome nao apareceu completo por lapso. Trata-se do Uniao da Madeira. O Uniao
de Leiria tambem esta' na segunda divisao de Honra mas um pouco mais abaixo na
classificacao ( Nao sei precisamente mas deve ter entre 14 e 18 pontos ) e
ainda e' um potencial candidato a subida. 

O Uniao de Lamas, outrora grande clube portugues esta' pelas ruas da amargura
... Penso que nem na segunda divisao B esta' . Acho deve estar na Terceira
Divisao, mas posso estar enganado ...

O Uniao do Ulme nao conheco !!! Algum regionalismo ? :-)

-- 
Fernando Manuel Hourtiguet de Vasconcelos ( INESC ) 
Email:  fmhv@inesc.inesc.pt  Phone: +351 (1) 3100216 Fax: +351(1)525843 
Adress: Rua Alves Redol No 9, sala 208 Apartado 10105 
	1017 Lisboa CODEX - Portugal 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos)
Subject: Teste
Organization: Bolsa de Valores de Lisboa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:29:24 GMT

Isto e' um posting de teste...

--

regards,

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: lesley@lesley.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Lesley Burnette)
Subject: Portuguese National Anthem and Host Family Gifts
Reply-To: burnettel@infonode.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:07:59 GMT


Hi.

Can anyone tell me the English name and Portugues name for the 
Portuguese National Anthem?  I have to learn to play and sing
it.  Any ideas on where to get the sheet music?

Also, I still need ideas for gifts for host families in 
Portugal.  Please help!  I want to make a good impression!
So far I've gotten ideas for:
	Prints of southern scenes 
	Local handicrafts
	Country music tapes and CDs
	Sugar bowl/football memorabilia

Thanks in advance,
Lesley 
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From: ze@carson.u.washington.edu (Jose Magalhaes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: Need gift idea for host families in Portugal
Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:39:44 GMT
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In article <1993Jan5.231201.4872@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> burnettel@infonode.ingr.com writes:
>Hi.  I'm going to Portugal  (Lisbon) in June-July as part
>of a group study exchange program.  I will stay with
>families in the area.
>
>I need to have a gift for each host.  I want to take
>something that is representative of the US, especially
>of my area (North Alabama/Huntsville), but that would

	There you go! a nice print of the North Alabama cotton fields is a 
great gift! Any local handicraft or country music tape/CD will be highly 
appreciated too. How about some Sugar Bowl memorabilia? That might even
give you an excellent change to explain them the rules of this bizarre game
they will call "futebol americano". Yeah, because the REAL football is what
you call soccer.

>be like by the host families.  I have to take these over
>in my suitcase and may stay with up to 8 families,
>so large, bulky, or heavy objects are out (like books).
>
>I can take several items.  I was hoping there was something
>inexpensive that Portuguese people really liked.  For example,
>a friend that did this sort of thing in Russia gave her host
>families ten $1 bills, in addition to others.  Russians really
>like $1 bills.
>
	No don't! because they might give 1 ESCUDO back! and that will a BAD 
deal (at this point I bet you already know the exchange rate). Just kidding!
(in case you haven't noticed).
	You will be surprised how easy it will be to get american currency 
in any Portuguese bank. 

>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
>Lesley

	I hope you will have a great stay there. It will be full of surprises.
That I can already bet! 
-Ze'

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