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From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: Drawings of racing cars
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:33:05 GMT

In article <9210051350.AA00393@spot.src.honeywell.com> stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes:
>   I model anything that moves (planes, ships, racing cars mostly).  I can
>get drawings easily for scratch building planes and ships, but finding
>drawings for racing cars is really tough!  I am primarily interested in
>vintage open wheel cars (sprints, midgets, champ cars before rear engine).
>Does anyone know a source of drawings for these?


Other than the occasional drawings found in model magazines (eg.Sale Model
Enthusiast, etc. I may have the exact title wrong). there aren't a lot
of scale drawings around.  Many of the race cars were "one-off"
entities and came about with almost no formal design involvement.
I'd say that was/is especially true of sprints, midgets, etc.)

Your best source for details, etc. would probably be old photographs
found in old car racing magazines, etc.

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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Drawings of racing cars
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08: 50:49 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:50:49 GMT
Received-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08: 50:50 CDT

   I model anything that moves (planes, ships, racing cars mostly).  I can
get drawings easily for scratch building planes and ships, but finding
drawings for racing cars is really tough!  I am primarily interested in
vintage open wheel cars (sprints, midgets, champ cars before rear engine).
Does anyone know a source of drawings for these?
  Don in Minneapolis
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: piton_m@summer.chem.su.oz.au
Subject: Re: Liberty shop model
Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Sydney
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:46:15 GMT

Micheal:

It seems that there a quite a few of us [wooden and plastic model ship 
builders] out there, but I suspect that few have computers on our desks...
In stereotypical photographs, I'm yet to see a Mac or IBM sitting next to 
the old man's workbench as he inserts that ship into the bottle!!

Mark "the Canuck DownUnder" Piton.
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: What's the purpose of this group? 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:20:50 GMT

In article <BvGoH6.GCw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () writes:

>I saw this group on the "new group" list and it looked interesting.
>What kind of things are supposed to be discussed here?  I've been
>looking for a forum where I can find fellow horse model enthusiasts.
>Not necessarily just collecting, but I know folks who remake these 
>and of course, to make it realistic, it all has to be to the scale of the
>horse, which is the object behind photo showing.  I started a small
>e-mail mailing list of Breyer horse folks, but we're always looking
>for new places to find new people and discuss things...
>
>So, is this group just for planes/trains/automobiles/ships or is it
>big enough for the horse crazy folks too??? Just curious!


I don't see why not...

We discussed this a while back at the discussion stage and had
some input from some dollhouse builders and miniatures collectors.
After all C/L and FF fliers inhabit rec.models.rc without any 
problems..
















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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Looking for Model of Liberty Ship
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.141507.18928@athena.mit.edu>, abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett) writes...
>In article <1992Oct3.052006.9302@sol.UVic.CA>, kcattell@csr.UVic.CA (Kevin Cattell) writes:
>|> 
>|> Also, are there any kits for tugboats?
>|> 
>|> Since he's a beginner, any advice would be appreciated.  Are there
>|> any magazines dealing with model ships?
> 
>Lindberg makes a nice tugboat kit; perfect for the beginner.  Costs about $10.00
>or so.
> 
>As for magazines, There *was* one called ScaleShip Modeler, but they became 
>"R/C Model Boats & Racing" or something to that effect.  I'm not a hard-core
>ship builder, but even I was turned off by the new format (basically, if you're
>not into small, fast R/C racing boats, then you're considered a 2nd class reader).
>And I *Like* R/C ships!
> 
>-Drew
> 
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SCALESHIP MODELER is back!  I just got their November issue and 'lo and behold
they had a Iowa battleship article.  Check it out if you love big battleships!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

Xref: sparky rec.models.scale:11 alt.models:1259
From: bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: ex-USSR fellow looking for exchangers
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: vovka%polinom.kharkov.ua@relay.USSR.EU.net
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I run a mailing list about painting and sculpting miniatures.  Presumably
as a result of this, I got the following piece of e-mail:

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From: vovka%polinom.kharkov.ua@relay.USSR.EU.net (shchebeniuk vladimir sergeevitch)
Organization: POLINOM
Subject: models

Hi All !
I am collecting PLASTIC MODEL KITS and i find
contacts for exchange.
I can offer different models from ex USSR ( metallic,
plastic, plastic kit etc.)
I need plastic model kits of planes.
Write to me
vovka%polinom.kharkov.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net
Thanks.
Vova Shchebeniuk.

-------

Since I don't make plastic models currently, there's not much point in me
responding to him, but if there's anyone else out there who would like to
contact him, by all means... perhaps you can trade model kits for one of
those vouchers for a share of ex-Soviet industries...:-)

(Incidentally, anyone know where .ua is?  The Ukraine?)

   -Andrew Bell
bell@cs.unc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: Periodical Database?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:02:23

In article <1992Sep29.120219.6601@cbnews.cb.att.com> gwe@cbnews.cb.att.com (george.w.erhart) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.222945.11056@newstand.syr.edu> cwebster@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chris Webster) writes:
>>
>>How difficult would it be to scan in a copy of the NMRA Bulletin annual
>>index?  Typically, it's over 40 pages long, covers 16 different titles,
>>and is much more detailed than the other indexes -- it even lists pictures
>>of prototypes...
>
>The OCR process that I am familiar with involves first making a bitmap
>scan of the text page. Then, the OCR process goes through a "learning"


one would assume that the bulletin *alrready* has it in machine readable
form, working on them to publish it (for an additional cost) on floppy would
be useful. it may even be cheaper for them to distribute it this way, and
charge people extra for paper copies (a page of that slick paper bound into
the book hasgot to be expensive . . . )
From: fulks@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Thank you for responses
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:31:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University



Many thanks for the responses to my HO Questions - some very good advice
and initial direction for this quest!  There are upcoming events in the
Ogden/Salt Lake City area with model railroad clubs and I can now, I
believe, attend these with some sense of knowing what to look for and
look out for.  

Further thoughts on what to seek at auctions & these shows would be
appreciated.  How can I tell a good bargan from a lost cause?  Are
there any indications of the life left in an item other than running
it myself?

I especially appreciate the cautions on my choice of HO instead of 
standard gauge.  I realize this choice will be somewhat to my
5 year old boys frustration, but still believe for our initial few
hundred dollars the set-up will be more complete.

I have noted at some chain toy stores BACHMAN buildings & gates,
most commonly marked down to the $3 to $9 range depending on
goodies (sounds; lights; action).  

Thanks again to those of you responding.  Such a nice and friendly
newsgroup!!

	happy trains,
		Steve Fulks
		Utah State U.




Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:18:44 -0400 
From: Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More Gifs

Excerpts from netnews.rec.models.railroad: 24-Sep-92 Re: More Gifs by
markbr@radian.uucp 
> Some of us are at work. As a matter of fact, a *lot* of us are at work.
> Not in school. We don't get to *demand* Internet access. It's got to
> be cost-justified, and afforded. Some places are cheap. There are a hell
> of a lot more of us on usenet, and more on one of the gateway nets. So
> telling the load of us "sorry" is rudely telling a lot of us to fuck off.
> (Hint: an apology would be in order)
>  
> Uploading gifs to the archive is fine. Just *PLEASE* post them as well,
> for us sorry souls who *don't* have Internet access.

My comment was neither rude nor offensive. Your interpretation of my
comment, however, achieved both levels. I think it is you who should
apologize to the readers of this newsgroup for your offensive and crude
language that was totally unjustified and completely inappropriate.

My comment was obviously, although not directly stated, intended for
those who attend colleges and universities. I understand that many
readers are at work, but I wonder how you could justify to your boss any
internet access that allows you time to uudecode and store gif files
while at work. It's a free country and how you spend your time is
between you and the people above you. I am sure there are others who
share your interest and who also have limited access that will continue
to post uuencoded files.

However, statements such as yours neither gain sympathy for your
situation, nor inspire any form of apology.

-D-
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Pantile roofs
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:33:29 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Bugs-R-Us


How do you model a pantile roof? (N scale). 

Please send me E-mail.

-- Ken Johnson
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: cwebster@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: TYCO equipment(long)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 16:12:43 EDT

I'd agree with the advice about using horn-hook couplers for younger kids;
being only 20, those memories are still relatively fresh.... :)

However, I would recomend cutting off the lower part of the "hook" part of 
the coupler.  This is the lowest part of the coupler; it almost forms a
point at the bottom.  It's designed to be used for automatic uncoupling
(with an appropriate automatic uncoupler... don't know where you'd
find one of these things, though)  but it normally ends up fouling 
on turnout points and causing derailments.

I do think that the X2F is an excellent design, considering that it
require the use of any patents.  I used them for many years, before I had
the money for kadees...)

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: gwe@cbnews.cb.att.com (george.w.erhart)
Subject: Re: Periodical Database?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:02:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.222945.11056@newstand.syr.edu> cwebster@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chris Webster) writes:
>
>How difficult would it be to scan in a copy of the NMRA Bulletin annual
>index?  Typically, it's over 40 pages long, covers 16 different titles,
>and is much more detailed than the other indexes -- it even lists pictures
>of prototypes...

The OCR process that I am familiar with involves first making a bitmap
scan of the text page. Then, the OCR process goes through a "learning"
phase where it learns the typeface used in the text. Typically, this is
followed by the conversion, then a spelling checker to automatically
correct errors. This usually leaves you with a text file that contains
lines of text that may not have the same whitespace characteristics of the
original page. 

There are two major problems with the above process for deriving usable
index information on your computer. (1) The data being scanned must have some
reasonable format that can be used to generate a suitable database record
structure. If the test is occasionally multiline, etc. then the mapping
from text to database record is non-trivial. (2) It is my experience that
even with the typeface learning and spelling checker, OCR is a difficult and
time consuming process. The process can be a total loss if the original is 
slightly skewed when scanned. (Although, some packages try to detect and 
correct this.) The skewed image will result in massive mis-recognitions
by the OCR process. The smaller the type face, the harder the problem. AND,
the index print that I remember is generally very small. Thus, it may require
a higher resolution scanner, say 600-1200dpi, to get a good scan. If the text
is kerned (the letters can overlap) the OCR process may fail if the scan
does not provide enough pixels to descriminate between the end of one character
and the beginning of the next.

-- 
George Erhart
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Columbus, Ohio
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: steever@cp4.cp.bell-atl.com (Richard E. Steever)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Weathering Techniques
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:46:10 GMT
Organization: C & P Tel. Co. - Minicomputer Techn. Support Dist.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Looking for a good reference on weathering model RR rolling stock and scenery.
Does anyone know of a good beginners reference?
From: davison@blueridge.fibercom.com (Mike Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Source for class W Mikado?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:01:00 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

Does anyone know of a source for a class W 2-8-2 (Mikado)? I want NP,
but any road will serve as a starting point. Kit? Ready-to-run? 
Any ideas? 

In a more general light - is there a good vendor for circa 1900-1920
Northern Pacific equipment? 

Thanks,
Mike
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From: UD044485@NDSUVM1.BITNET (John A. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: re:N scale locomotives
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:08:58 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Any of the Atlas-Kato or Kato locomotives are excellent. Even Roco and Lifelike
with proper retrofit frames can be made better running.


John A. Williams
Public Relations Director
Thousand Lakes Region, NMRA
From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Pulse power
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:11:50 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

tomw@spider.co.uk (Tom Ward) writes:

>. The effect is to ionise the gap between track and wheels and 'burn' 
>off the dirt. First efforts are looking promising

Ok, I'm not a fan of pulse-power model train controllers. The reason I say this
is that most higher quality locomotives have can motors fitted (coreless can
motors in some brass models), and these do not take too kindly to the harsh
treatment a pulsed waveform puts them through.

Here is Australia there have been a number of train controllers published in
electronics mags using pulsewidth modulated control techniques, but each time
the conveniently ignore the fact that modern can motors are tightly specified
beasts.

It's fair enough to use a pwm (or other pulsed technique) controller if all
you will ever use it with is open frame motors as found in many of the cheaper,
low cost, 'hobby' market locos, but high quality stuff will not last as long
with a pulsed waveform controller. Stick with straight DC for can motors and
the like.

-- 
Craig Dewick               | Railway Preservation Industries - Working to
craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au | Advance the Preservation of Australian Railways
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy)
Subject: New Set of GIF`s Posted
Originator: dawdy@sunk13
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:55:12 GMT

Three new pictures have been posted to
alt.binaries.pictures.misc.  They include a shot of the trackage
you are faced with as you enter Chicago's Union Station.  Also
two Southern Pacific freights (Same train number, two sections)
heading north into Chicago as they cross the diamonds in Joliet,
IL.

*******WARNING*******WARNING*******WARNING*******WARNING*******

If you like bright sunny pictures with new clean shinny engines,
don't bother to download these pictures.  If you like early
morning, gritty, smokey, realism, the SP GIF's are for you :-)

As always, if someone can move these to a FTP site, please do. 
If you can't get these from the net, I will mail them out, just
send a quick note to me.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
File Name.....CHIUNION.GIF
Resolution....792x524x256
Size..........314,800
Description..:
               This is the scene which greets some Amtrak and
Metra engineers as they round the bend and head into Chicago's
Union Station.  Looking North from the Roosevelt overpass.  (I
would love to see you "N" scaler's hand lay this mess :-)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
File Name.....SSW_7781
Resolution....786x533x256
Size..........247,704
Description..:
               Railroading the old fashion way as seen in Joliet,
IL in August of 1990.  Written orders being handed from Metra
tower person to a Southern Pacific brakeman.  Cotton Belt #7781,
GE B30-7 heads up the freight.  Note the semaphore signals in
background.  This is the first section of this train with the
second section following 10 minutes behind.  See SP_7828.GIF
which is the following section.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
File Name.....SP_7828.GIF
Resolution....
Size..........
Description..:
               Early morning shot of Northbound Southern Pacific
freight pass under the semaphores in Joliet, IL.  With smoke
pouring out of the GE B30-7 the train makes it's way over the
diamonds at a breath taking 10 MPH.  Since this photo was taken
in August of 1990 the SP has improved track on this stretch of
trackage.  This train is following the SSW_7781.GIF by 10 minutes
and is considered it's second section.
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: N scale loco's
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 06:25:15 GMT

Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 (bednarek@picard.med.ge.com) wrote:
: 
: 
: 
: I have just completed my first loop on my N-scale lay out that is modular
: constructed at 26' by 12'.  I have several locomotives that run like garbage.
: They are mainly Bachman products with some improvement on an Atlas loco.
: What I am looking for is a good locomotive that will pull many cars(20 to
: 50) at a nice slow scale speed.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
: 
: 
: Dennis
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: ____________________________________
: 
: The usual disclaimer of self and employer applies to all above comments.

Thanks for all the replies.  Several,of the questions people asked me I'll
answer here rather than send numerious replies.

1. What is my max. grade?
I am trying to keep everything level, but working on 3 hieghts.  The bottom
tracks are 3 freight lines, second level will be 2 passenger lines, and the
third level will be a coal or logging line and trolley line.  Each level is
a 3 1/2 inch increase and the levels are not joined together.

2. What are my radius for turns?
level 1 freight is min of 24" radius
Level 2 passenger is min of 18" radius
level 3 combination is min of 15" radius.

3. How is it constructed?
There are 8 modules each 2 to 3 feet wide by 8 feet long.  They are disassembelable
in about half an hour so the wife and kids can use the recroom when they need it
or it can be moved to shows.

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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: chalk-weathering cars
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:58:17 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill

This afternoon, I used some chalk to weather some freight cars.  For
my daughter (age 6), it was quite a thrill -- helping Daddy, using
a very sharp knife to scrape the chalk, and the conceptual oddity
of deliberately making a shiny new possession look dirty and rusty.
However, I ran into one problem I wasn't expecting:  the chalk wouldn't
adhere to some metallic-painted surfaces.  On two cars -- a silver
Athearn tank car, and the roof of a Details West boxcar -- I couldn't
get sufficient chalk to stay on.  I assume that the paint was too
glossy a surface.  I got some half-way decent results on the box car
by wetting down the roof first, and then dusting the weathering mixture
on, but I wasn't that happy with the results.

So -- I'm looking for advice.  Possibilities that occur to me include
spraying some Dullcote first, to roughen the surface a bit, or using
a different technique entirely -- a dilute India ink wash comes to mind.
I don't (currently?) own an airbrush.

While I'm on the subject -- I was thinking of using some Grimy Black
paint to simulate some spills around the domes of the tank car.  My
thought was to take a toothpick or eye dropper, and put a drop of
the paint at a few locations, letting it drip and run where it will.
Is that likely to yield decent results?  Prototypical ones?  Should
I thin the paint first, so it flows well?  This is supposed to be
oil, so some degree of non-scale viscosity is desirable.

		--Steve Bellovin