HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 13:56:39 CST
From: <U54778@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld,alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Interview with Jason Alexander

In article <1992Dec21.130317.17058@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
says:
>
>John J. Nee writes:
>>       I was very disturbed by Jason Alexander's interview on
>>Letterman.  Not only did he seem conceited throughout, but then to go
>>and insult the fans!  I couldn't help but wonder if NBC will say
>>something to him and discourage him from making such statements in the
>>future.  Doesn't he know it is the fans that help pay his rent!!
>>
>I thought Alexander was clearly not talking about fans, but about 'FANS!'
>People who wonder about Kramer's dog.
>
>How anyone can tell anything about an actor's personality from a talk
>show is beyond me. Maybe I'm being overly subtle about this stuff,
>but I just assume that the entertainment types who come on talk shows
>are always 'on' and 'in character.' The problem's compounded on a show
>like Letterman where the facetiousness content is off the chart.
>--
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
INHO, I think Jeff has hit the key factor to understanding this interview.
Letterman has a long and deep reputation for putting down any and every
thing having to do with TV, fame and fandom.  those who come on his show
have to deal with this in whatever way they feel comfortable about but
forced to deal with it they must.  I can more easily believe that "George"
chose to buddy up with him in a jocular manner instead of using any other
tactic.  We should wait until another interview in anothe setting before
making judgements on Jason Alexander.
And I must point out to those who would have his network stomp on his
utterances, GEEZ, I must be living in Stalin's Russia.  No wonder this
PC BS has become such a force.  If we can't live with opposing or
unflattering opinions, this country is going to the dogs.  People have
a plauralcy of opinions which may or may not be comfortable for you.
Learn to live with it without calling down some official body to smother
someone else's spoken words.
ALAN ROGERS
From: rac@warren.med.harvard.edu (Bob Cote)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: The best TV show
Summary: Seinfeld in the Herald
Keywords: Boston Herald Review
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:27:26 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <RCOTE.2@warren.med.harvard.edu> RCOTE@warren.med.harvard.edu (Bob Cote) writes:

>Page 35 of the Boston Herald (Tues December 28, 1992) lists Seinfeld as the 
>favorite of ten favorite TV shows this year.


>No flames please on the journalistic merits (or lack there of) in the Herald.

The wrong date is my fault.  Yes it was Tues the 29th of December.
From: RCOTE@warren.med.harvard.edu (Bob Cote)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: The best TV show
Summary: Seinfeld in the Herald
Keywords: Boston Herald Review
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:45:43 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

Page 35 of the Boston Herald (Tues December 28, 1992) lists Seinfeld as the 
favorite of ten favorite TV shows this year.

"-the first half-dozen episodes this season.  Someone should plunk these 
into a TV museum. The nothing-happens whimsy of Jerry Seinfeld merged with 
stories in which everything happened. The twists were hilarious."

The publicity still used with the story is great just for the *serious* 
expression  on Kramer's  face.  Sorry to say Julia is not exposing anything 
but her great smile.

No flames please on the journalistic merits (or lack there of) in the Herald.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: thomasl@mtl.mit.edu (Thomas J Lohman)
Subject: Re: uh flame
Keywords: Boston Herald Review
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:56:45 GMT

In article <2340@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:

>Keep guessing. Eventually, you'll able to construct a question. But for
>now,you still come across as an acne-faced,undersexed,addicted-to-Oprah
>teenager who got access to his dad's computer and got accidentally stumbled
>across alt.fan.seinfeld after he saw the word 'nipple' mentioned more
>than three times in one sentence.

What a perfect description of the Herald audience...

>FYI,I read the Herald for sports,comics and tv/movie news/reviews. I'm
>not familiar with Flynn or Marky Mark nor do I have interest in those
>indiviuals for that matter.

You couldn't read the Herald for anything else, since there is no actual
news in it.  Much like it's New York counterpart the Daily News...of course,
The New York Post is in a league by itself.


--tom



Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David E Lightner)
Subject: Jason Alexander on 'later'
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:08:21 GMT

I saw JA on 'later'.  Costas said that they (the 'later' staff) were all fans 
of the show.  The first half of the interview was about Seinfeld, but very 
little was said which JA hasn't said already.  He once again said how no one 
expected the show to last, how they made it for their own enjoyment, and so 
forth.
   He did say that his favorite episode was waiting for a seat in the Chinesse 
restaurant, I think because he was impressed that they pulled it off.
   Costas brought up the masturbation episode, and JA pointed out that there 
was absolutely no critical reaction to it, maybe because no one wanted to come 
down for or against masturbation.
   JA said that the car garage episode was shot on the Seinfeld set.  They 
removed the standard stes and built that one, and it was very well done.
   JA said that he meets fans who tell him that they are George ("I'm just like
George"), and JA always wants to encourage them to get therapy.  Once again he 
sounded rather down on these people.
   For the second half of the show they talked about other things JA had done, 
such as plays and 'Pretty Woman'.  I don't recall anything of interest.
   And there you have it.....

Tycerium
dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Subject: Nipple police
Reply-To: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Organization: 8-Track Museum
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:01:24 GMT

In article <maube.21@emr.ca>, maube@emr.ca (Martin Aub (CPB)) writes:
|> I love sinfeld.  But I'm getting sick and tired of all of you to repeat the 
|> same damn thing over and over again:  " I THOUGHT THE EPISODE WITH THE 
|> NIPPLE WAS GREAT".  
|> 
|> I think that after seeing 100 posts that it was a great episode, we all get 
|> the f.... message.
|> 
|> Did some of you not hear about value added:  "I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT 
|> EPISODE BECAUSE..................."
|> 
|> These people who post just to agree with people and not add to the 
|> conversation are the same type to go to a bar with a gang of people and nod 
|> all night long.
|> 
|> The guilty ones out there:  get a life, get social skills, get off the net
|> -- 
|> Martin Aube
|> maube@emr1.emr.ca
|> ----------------------------


ouch,

Net-Cop on the beat.  His world is just that.... his.  Hey, stop laughing.
You think something is funny punk.  This is s very serious group darn-it.
(note the lack of profanity).  Nipples, nipples, nipples. Jerry, Jerry, 
Jerry. George, George, George.  Over and over and over. 

The FONP (Fraternal Order of Net Police) have issued the following statement:

From this day forward no mindless repetitious posts about Seinfeld stuff in
all groups. This is to include the improperly named "Seinfeld group". We don't
want anything fun going on here.... or anywhere.


Rocko


"If at first you don't offend, flame flame again" 
                                                  Me, 1992 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jfitton@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: trivial query re: The Parking Space
Organization: Clark University
Date: 2 JAN 93 04:30:45 GMT


John Martin says
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a BMW 500-series?

When he asked about Jerry's car....well from what I can tell, and I could be
wrong, but I don't think so......it's a BMW 325i....Now the bike is a Klein-
definitely a Klein!!

Have you ever noticed he never lends the BIKE to George???
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin)
Subject: trivial query re: The Parking Space
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:47:07 GMT

I guess I've missed enough episodes to never have realized what kind of
car Jerry owns.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it a BMW 500-series? 
I guess Jerry doesn't seem (IMO) to be an easy-going-enough guy to be
loaning his BMW out to friends, especially given George's questionable
driving ability.  Shoot me down if this is full of holes. :)

John
--
 John E. Martin    jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu     University of Puget Sound '92
    Kent, WA      (formerly martin@ups.edu)    SeinfeldBC++RushBelaFleckDWeckl
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld show breaks toilet taboo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:34:21 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Dec17.110232.119677@marshall.wvnet.edu> rcbi110@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
 > I have noticed something about the Seinfeld show.  It's the first
 > show as far as I know that breaks the semi-taboo of characters
 > going to the toilet.  I mean, in other shows there have been
 > flushing sounds, to give the impression that someone has come from
 > the restroom.  But on Seinfeld, you actually get to see them go in,
 > or even better, they yell into the conversation while they're still
 > on there (like at the beginning of last night's show).  Just
 > another thing that makes this show even sillier...

You're forgetting the frequent rest room scenes (both mens' and
ladies') in LA Law.  They even had a toilet explode once when Douglas
was sitting on it.  I think Roxanne's father had just finished
painting the mens' room and had poured his paint remover into the
toilet.  I believe Douglas was just finishing up a cigar celebrating
something or other, and ended up igniting the paint remover with it.

It's clearly time for somebody to do an in-depth investigation into
the role of toilets in network television!
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Jerry and money
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:15:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <Steve=Rotter%Staff%UIUC=CMC.80.725663639@bigbird.will.uiuc.edu> Steve=Rotter%Staff%UIUC=CMC@bigbird.will.uiuc.edu (Steve Rotter) writes:
>Has anyone else every wondered where Jerry gets all his money from.

Most likely from his bank account.

>He seems to have plenty and his not afraid to spend it.  He has $800 to pay for 
>the damage to his neighbors car,  $400 to pay for Elaine's International 
>phone bill, money for the opera, we never see him eating at home - he's 
>always at the restaurant.  He lives by himself in a big apartment, owns a 
>car which must cost him a fortune to insure and maintain.  He must be making 
>some decent money on his stand-up jobs, although we hardly ever hear him 
>taking trips to perform.

What can you say? He's a giving kind of a guy who believes in Karma...
Or is it Kramer?

-Mark
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Laugh track turned up louder recently?
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:48:56 GMT

In article 4187@leland.Stanford.EDU, simoni@strat.Stanford.EDU (Richard Simoni) writes:
>
>
>The past two weeks I've seen Seinfeld for the first time in ages, at least a
>year.  (Saw the nipple and red dot episodes.  Hilarious!)  It seemed to me
>that the volume of the laugh track (or maybe it's live laughing?) is turned
>way up relative to the way it used to be in previous seasons, especially
>during the bits with Jerry doing stand-up.  I still love the show, but to me
>the turned-up laughing makes the whole thing (again, especially the stand-up
>comedy parts) seem somehow more fake/staged.
>
>Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just a warped recollection on my part
>of how the show used to be?

Well, the Red Dot episode is old (originally aired 12/11/91
according to the episode list), so it's probably in your head.

   --Dave.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: maube@emr.ca (Martin Aub (CPB))
Subject: last night's show
Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:47:17 GMT

Wasn't yesterday's episode one of the greatests?

When George was getting mad at the other guy who took his parking spot, he 
really reminded be of Robert DeNiro in Taxi Driver.

Also, did anybody else think that George, with his hat that he bought at 
the flea market, looked like Citizen Kane in that Orson Welles classic film?

Do you think that was done on purpose?
-- 
Martin Aube
maube@emr1.emr.ca
----------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Subject: OSU/Seinfeld
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: alt.tv.seinfeld
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:41:10 GMT

 Earlier someone from OSU asked why there were so many OSU people
posting here.. (I skipped past it, and too lazy to go back. phppt)


  Let me answer your question. Seinfeld is about...nothing. OSU is in
Columbus, Ohio.

  Get the picture?

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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Nipple police
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:33:37 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

Now, after seeing last year's Christmas episode, the question becomes
how are they going to work the word "nipple" into next year's episode?

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marc Vincent Conte)
Subject: Where is the show taped?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:53:56 GMT


Sorry if this has been pointed out earlier.  

Where is Seinfeld filmed?  I know that it's rare to film a show
in New York but it seems odd to film such a New York-centered show
in LA.

Marc

-- 
  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: sainc@access.digex.com (Strategic Analysis)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: The Red Dot
Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:00:07 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

That was the first time I saw the episode "The Red Dot",
but I knew that Kramer was going to be the one
to say something about the sweater.

I think he's funnier in the older episodes
(that one was from last season).

"Hennigans - it goes down smooth"!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld,alt.fan.letterman
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Interview with Jason Alexander
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:03:17 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

John J. Nee writes:
>	I was very disturbed by Jason Alexander's interview on
>Letterman.  Not only did he seem conceited throughout, but then to go
>and insult the fans!  I couldn't help but wonder if NBC will say
>something to him and discourage him from making such statements in the
>future.  Doesn't he know it is the fans that help pay his rent!!
>
I thought Alexander was clearly not talking about fans, but about 'FANS!'
People who wonder about Kramer's dog. 

How anyone can tell anything about an actor's personality from a talk
show is beyond me. Maybe I'm being overly subtle about this stuff,
but I just assume that the entertainment types who come on talk shows
are always 'on' and 'in character.' The problem's compounded on a show
like Letterman where the facetiousness content is off the chart.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
From: robertson@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: <None>
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:49:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Regarding the "Red Dot" episode:  I saw the "Art Van de Lay"
response to "What authors do you read?" coming down 5th Ave.
From: nekrich@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert Nekrich)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: 12/28 Jason Alexander on 'Later'
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:17:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hey Guys

Did anyone catch Jason Alexander on 'Later' with Bob Costas last
night?  How was it?

Also, which episode is on tonight (12/29)?

Thanks
-Rob
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From: lmahoney@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu (Louise Mahoney)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: interview with Jason Alexander
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:49:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chemistry Department, North Carolina State University


>David E Lightner (dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>:        Dave commented that it must be nice to be recognized like that, and to 
>: have a chance to meet some of the fans.  At this point Jason grunted and said 
>: that you don't want to get too close to those fans; you got people with Kramer
>: hair and George's glasses asking about whatever happened to Kramer's dog.
>: Jason's tone was very derisive.  He seemed to be quite disgusted with the fans
>: and their preoccupation with the show.

I saw the interview with JA and I thought his comments were just spur
of the moment stuff.  He was on Dave's show, (Dave loves to make fun
of everything) I'm sure he wanted to seem cool, so he equated "Seinnies" 
with Trekkies.  Like Ford Prefect would say it was "mostly harmless"

Give the guy a break

Then again he might be an arrogant self centered narrow minded jerk,
I just don't know

I hope this cleared things up

Louise
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: "davidr turner" <davidr.turner@canrem.com>
Subject: jerry and money
Reply-To: "davidr turner" <davidr.turner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:57:12 EST

M1>>Has anyone else every wondered where Jerry gets all his money from.  He
M1>>seems to have plenty and his not afraid to spend it.  He has $800 to pay fo
M1>>the damage to his neighbors car,  $400 to pay for Elaine's International
M1>>phone bill, money for the opera, we never see him eating at home - he's
M1>>always at the restaurant.  He lives by himself in a big apartment, owns a

M1>I believe the consensus in a.t.s is that the character, like Jerry himself,
M1>is a well-paid nationally-known stand-up comic.  Discussions about his

Jerry's 'character' IS himself.  He doesn't pretend to be anything he's
not, and just goes about his business in a pseudo-fictional setting.

His 'friends' & 'apartment' may not be 'real', bu Jerry is playing
himself (or, at least, his stand-up self) for the majority of the
time.
Later...
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee)
Subject: two more toilet tales...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:44:45 GMT

"All in the Family" had two bits funnier than just plaining flushing the
toilet.  Once Archie wanted to avoid a visitor to his household, so he
hid upstairs.  When the family called him down, he responded, "I'm busy
here!" and you heard the flushing sound.  This happened several times in
sequence.

In another episode, the Bunkers' bathroom was missing the door.  When Edith
was afraid of someone walking by and seeing her, Archie told her to sing.
And she later starts singing with that horrible voice.

My favorite LA Law toilet bit had Arnie, Dougie, and Leland in side by side
by side (non-urinal) stalls talking about some ligation when Leland runs out
of toilet paper.  Knowing that Benny was in the restroom, Leland asks him
for some extra paper, sticking his hand out from under the door.  The hand
was however pristine.  Maybe i only thought it was funny because a similar
thing happened to me in a Philadelphia mall (i was the giver)...


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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Who watches this show?
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:15:53 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

> > 
>   Yes.  Though I think that Seinfeld's own media saturation is
>   closer to my age group (he's about 38,isn't he) than to those 
>   who watch that are in there late teens or in their 20s.


> > 
> > My guess is that "young adult" and maybe "college educated" are the
> > important factors here...
> 
>  College educated maybe, but young adult, I don't think so.
>  Some of the people I work with are in their 40s and 50s, and
>  they think it's hysterical. It's just very funny, well
>  written, and well executed.  It's about real things (even
>  though they say it's about nothing) that people of different
>  ages and geographical backgrounds (though I am originally from NY :-))
>  can identify with.  

I am 25 and I watch it. I have five or six friends just here at work in  
their twenties who also watch it. So much for your theory.


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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld,alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Interview with Jason Alexander
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:37:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.seinfeld
Organization: HMS

In article <92356.135640U54778@uicvm.uic.edu> U54778@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>PC BS has become such a force.  If we can't live with opposing or
>unflattering opinions, this country is going to the dogs.  People have

1, Geez,where have you been? This country has gone to the dogs a decade
   ago.

>Learn to live with it without calling down some official body to smother
>someone else's spoken words.

2. That line is as much PC BS as the subject it's referring to. Hey,if
   that person wants to complain to NBC that's his right. Personally,
   I wouldn't make anything out of Jason Alexander going on Letterman and
   slamming the show's fans. It was just bad PR move for the show. It's just
   showed  that the guy is doing his first big TV job and he's obviously
   not good with handling the fact that he has become a popular celebrity.
   If someone was offended by what he babbled out,it's OK to complain.
   That's all.
 
-Mark
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