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From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer)
Subject: Re: Adobe's SuperATM?
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: University of Ulm
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:48:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.164726.18408@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock) wrote:
> 
> Saw an ad for this recently; apparently, it's a package deal that includes
> ATM 3.0, Adobe Type Reunion, the Type On Call CD-ROM, and "two multiple master
> type faces for substitution" (the MacConnection brochure is marketing the
> package as a way to "automatically create substitute fonts for typefaces you
> don't have"...).
> 
> Anyone know WHICH "two multiple master type faces" are going to be included?
> 
> I don't expect much for $89 list, but if they're interesting I'll look into
> it.

ATM 3.0 is not the SuperATM which can do font substitution (aliasing) 
(not the rastarization)
it's a feature brought from the Carussel project to work mit your fonts
even if the document is made with other fonts, without changing the text
flow (hyphens ...) So you can make an alias of eg. Bookman (which you don't
have) to be processed from your Times (MM font required!). The text really
should fall the same on each page. Some people might fear that this may
look
ugly but the transformation is done very carefully, so that only good
typographs
my consider that the font has the wrong flow...

Open for discussion

Christian Bauer

bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
From: vanderli@orion.fccc.edu (Michel van der List)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Monospaced fonts...
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:49:09 GMT
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center

Is there any consensus as to what is a good monospaced font to display/print
text designed for such font (Listings, RFCs, etc). I don't particular;y
like courier and I hear that OCR-B is a good choice. Any opinions?

 a d v
Thanks a
 e c n		Michel.

--------------------+----------------------------+-----------------------------
Michel van der List |   'Dat typies hollands     | The Fox Chase Cancer Center
vanderlist@fccc.edu |        vingertje'          |      7701 Burholme Avenue
(215) 728-3660      |                            |    Philadelphia, PA  19111
From: bass@cs.utk.edu (Vance Bass)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: desire "Architect" PostScript font
Date: 26 Dec 1992 21:36:01 GMT
Organization: British Racing Cat Owners Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Originator: bass@duncan.cs.utk.edu

I have seen (a) an advertisement for a TrueType font called "Architect", which
resembles hand-lettering in the style seen on architectural or engineering
plans, and (b) this font used in a publication which I know was produced on
a Mac.

Point (b) leads me to believe that this font is probably available in a
PostScript version.  The advertisement refered to in (a) was for free or
shareware fonts, so I presume that the PostScript should also be in the
public domain or available as shareware.

Can someone point me to a source for the PostScript "Architect" font?

thanks,
  Vance
-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+        
Vance Bass			  Reply-to: vrbass@atlvmic1.vnet.ibm.com     
IBM Professional Services	I work for IBM.  My opinions are my own.
Nashville, TN				 The facts speak for themselves.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: Downloading a PS font permanently?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:35:18 GMT

In article <KARL.92Dec23190741@ra.cs.umb.edu> karl@cs.umb.edu (Karl Berry)  
writes:
> Right.  Downloading to memory is useless to me; I don't use my printer
> often enough to want to put up with the noise.

And in my case, the line to the printer is really slow
(19.2Kb) so that's a real hassle. 

> Are there any reasonable PostScript printers that come with a disk?
> I've never understood why disks aren't effectively standard on PS
> printers.

You can add one to some of the LaserWriters (IINTX, IIf,
and IIg?) and LaserJets (III?).  I have a LaserWriter
IINTX at home with a 20MB drive attached.  I've had some
trouble getting it configured because all the
documentation assumes you have a Mac (which I don't).  

I extracted all the bits of PostScript from the Mac
program included with the printer and I think that'll
work.  I'll find out tonight, I guess. :-)

I use disk operations in NeXT and Amiga (via Post)
PostScript programs quite a bit and find it very
convenient.  It also makes having dozens of fonts much
easier.  I hope it'll be as useful on my LaserWriter/Amiga
at home.  

ab
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3785 gnu.misc.discuss:4111
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:15:07 GMT
	<PCG.92Dec22183541@decb.aber.ac.uk>
	<freek.725305697@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 25 Dec 92 17:48:17 GMT, freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk) said:

freek> From Steward Brand's `the Media Lab', pages 170-172, reproduced
freek> without permission:

freek> The Media Lab has in its history a fine example of wrong exploit-
freek> ing---an excellent, simple idea, instantly applicable, available
freek> free to anyone, that has sat on the shelf, in plain view of the
freek> world since 1971.  Called Fuzzy Fonts, it is a cheap, easy way to
freek> have much higher resolution print on computer and TV screens.

Aw gosh! This is really dumb! Marketing wise, calling "Fuzzy Fonts"
something that actually enhances apparent resolution is both wrong and a
terrible turn off! Imagine: "do you want Fuzzy Fonts on your screen?" to
which the answer is "surely not, those I have got are already too fuzzy".

freek> With a normal IBM or Macintosh screen they were something like 60
freek> percent less efficient than on paper.  Then they anti- aliased
freek> the fonts and put in the same kinds of errors, and people came up
freek> with 98 percent of the efficiency of paper.

Ah, thanks for the quote. Antialiasing fans, including the folks at
Acorn, will be much relieved.

freek> Fuzzy Fonts may be the Media Lab's single most proven commercial
freek> idea.  Why it had to wait till 1987 to become a product is a
freek> mystery.

Are they thinking of the ARM?

freek> (Apple finally introduced Fuzzy Fonts on their second- generation
freek> Macintosh computers in spring, 1987, followed by IBM.)

Anybody knows anybody about this?
--
Piercarlo Grandi, Dept of CS, PC/UW@Aberystwyth <pcg@aber.ac.uk>
  E l'italiano cantava, cantava. E le sue disperate invocazioni giunsero
  alle orecchie del suo divino protettore, il dio della barzelletta
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:49:16 GMT

Hmm... I must be missing something in this discussion...  All of the
rasterizer code that I've seen makes calls to an implementation defined
function to handle the actual drawing of each section of the given
character (well, they could be told to generate a bitmap too, but that's
irrelevant IMO to this discussion).  The rasterizer is passing me things
like "there's a line segment from point (x,y) to point (r,w)" and I can
draw the line on the screen (or printer or plotter...).  What's to stop me
from optimizing the horizontal and vertical lines and then using an
anti-aliasing line drawing routine for everything else?  At some point the
choice to light a given pixel in the character box for the character over a
pixel immediately adjacent becomes arbitrary due to the physical device
resolution (i.e., I don't understand how this 'intelligent' bitmap scaling
filter system can produce output that is 'better' than hinted fonts).
Unless a person goes over every single character generated at each size,
style, etc.  There's still going to be in essence arbitrary decisions made
by the filters that I don't see how they could be any more correct then an
hinted, outlining rasterizer.

Thanks,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Wanted: a font to run under Desqview 386
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:44:54 GMT

I used to be able to get a nice screen font in conjunction
with a Herc Graphics Plus card.  Now I'm running VGA, I'm
in the market for some screen font set (preferably sanserif)
to replace the ugly font I now get and which will run under
Desqview 386 without any special attention on my part.

Thanks in advance.

Norman Miller
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript
From: laxmi@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (Ms Laxmi Parida)
Subject: Type 1 Hinting information required.
Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, Bombay, India.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:24:13 GMT

I have very specific queries on hinting in Adobe's Type 1 font 
specification:

    *  What are the various hinitng handles supported ?
    *  Does the rasterizer see a glyph as a collection of outlines 
       or regions ? [If I have a glyph defined as a collection of
       regions rather than outlines, can I still use hinting 
       in the as-is form of the glyphs ?]
    

I wouldn't at all mind responses via e-mail.

Thank you,
Laxmi.

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Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3769 gnu.misc.discuss:4105
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Date: 25 Dec 92 17:39:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
>... for some silly reason color screens are prevalent, ...

It's probably the same reason why color televisions are
prevalent over black-and-white televisions.

Freek
--
Third theory of Phenomenal Dynamics:  The difference between
a symbol and an object is quantitative, not qualitative.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Polish font wanted (Mac)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:13:28 GMT

Hi,
 
I'm looking for a Polish font for the Mac. Do you know of such an animal?
It could be postsrcipt, bitmapped, truetype, I'll take anything.
 
Any reply is welcome (except for flames). :)
 
Thanks
--Eric
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: david@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Dantowitz)
Subject: Hieroglyphs for the Mac (and others)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 17:20:24 GMT


For a complete set of signs (from Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar") 
contact Linguist's Software.  For $79.95 you can get the complete
set of fonts (8 fonts in total to cover all the symbols).  The
sample print out I have here is great and you can't beat thier
price.

Linguist's Software
P.O. Box 580
Edmonds, WA  98020

(206) 775-1130

p.s.  I'd have to charge you lots to do a simple custom font, 
-- 
David Dantowitz
david@cs.ucla.edu

Singing Barbershop when I'm not doing parallel simulation
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Subject: Disapearing Fonts usinf NS 3.0
Reply-To: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:39:25 GMT


Hello out there,

Only a few answers reached me to my question about  fonts in NS 3.0. Again and  
short the problem: After upgrading to NS 3.0 fonts disapeared from my  
font-panel which were using NS 2.1 usuable without any problems. In my case it  
were only Garamonds. The two first installed font families were shown at the  
panel (and were usuable) - the second installed Garamonds were not (at my site  
this happened to ITC Garamond, Stempel Garamond, AdobeGaramond and Gramond  
Three).

Two answers seems to be represented here:

1. The 'new' buildafmdir from NS 3.0 allows only to install 256 fonts.
   Workaround: Using the 'old' buildafmdir from NS 2.1.
   (special thanks to Rob Parkhill <rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca> and d'Art Computer
   at Kiel/Germany).

2. Consequently giving the fonts new names (within the afm- and outline-files,
   too!) and then running 'buildafmdir' becomes an internal solution.
   For example:
   AGaramond will be renamed to AGaramont (using the T at the end). Do that
   inside the afms and outline, too! After running 'buildafmdir' a font named
   AGaramont appears in the font panel and is usuable.
   To send PS-files to other computers you have to use the option 'defined
   printer/incl. fonts' at the save-menue (I actually don't know the English
   pop-up-menue-lines - it's the third from above). This causes for example a
   Linotype not to use the built-in fonts but those which are now presented
   in the PS-file (unfortunally this doesn't work with FrameMaker).
   (Special thanks to lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans_Brahmantyo))

Especially the second workaround isn't a very well one IMHO and insn't worth  
for a machine, which ist in all other features great. But it works ...
It might be that there is another NeXTer who knows more about. Sending a mail  
to me would be great! Furthermore for me there's only hope to NS 3.1 - which  
should be shipped without any costs to the users ...

Thanks to: -> Tim Wasko <tim@dogcow.cuc.ab.ca>, -> Rob Parkhill  
<rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca>, -> Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> (No NeXT Mail), -> Paul  
Lynch <paul@seer.demon.co.uk>, -> Gerhard_Moeller <gemoe@proximus.north.de>, ->  
henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton), -> Michael Ross  
<mross@antigone.uu.holonet.net>, -> lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans_Brahmantyo).

Merry (Ne)X(T)-mas and so on
-Borris-
-- 

---
Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany
Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kshwang@sorak.kaist.ac.kr (KunSoon Hwang (Static Soft.))
Subject: Need Vector Font Library
Organization: KAIST in Seoul Korea
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:10:13 GMT

Hello!
I want to display vector fonts in msdos mode.
It needs 2byte handling and rasterize.
So, I'm looking for library or source.
If you have any solution,email please.
(like fastfont library, But I don't know correctly about fastfont.
Also, please let me know about fastfont library)

   kshwang@sorak.kaist.ac.kr

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: davef@tvnews.tv.tek.com (David Fibush)
Subject: Rules for Postal Barcodes
Followup-To:  davef@tv.tv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:04:45 GMT

I am looking for documentation on the generation and placement of 
postal barcodes on letters.  There was a recent article in PC Magazine
along with a utility for printing mailing labels with barcodes.
Unfortunately I threw it away.  I have the basic formula and found
a TrueType font for printing the barcodes.  That all works fine but
I want to make sure they are in the correct location on the label.
A pointer to an ftp site would be great otherwise some source of hard
copy would be okay.

BTW TrueType for DOS works great with MS Word for DOS.  I have printed
the barcodes with both WinWord and Word 5.5, landscape and portrait.

Please reply to:  davef@tv.tv.tek.com

Thanks....




Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3822 gnu.misc.discuss:4124
From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: PopChar equivalent for MS Windows?
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:42:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1hn3p3INNk7v
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu



Inserting characters other than letters, digits and some punctuatiom marks
can be a real pain on most platforms.

On the Mac there is a wonderful shareware/freeare utility (CDEV) called
PopChar that can be easily activated and allows selection of arbitrary
characters in the currently selected font.  No need to remember numeric
codes or tendonitis-inducing key chords to access them.

Is there a similar utility for MS Windows?  The control panel applet
`Character Select' is not nearly as convenient (aside from having some bugs
such as assuming all character sets start at 32, and crashing if the
character set does not go all the way up to 255).


Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3784 gnu.misc.discuss:4110
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:09:19 GMT
	<PCG.92Dec22183541@decb.aber.ac.uk>
	<freek.725305160@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 25 Dec 92 17:39:20 GMT, freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk) said:

freek> (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
pcg>... for some silly reason color screens are prevalent, ...

freek> It's probably the same reason why color televisions are prevalent
freek> over black-and-white televisions.

Well, it cannot be: I don't watch document and programs on my TV. Indeed
I would be quite annoyed at its poor resolution and fuzziness if I did.
That's (one reason) why nobody uses TVs as monitors.

My theory is that people buy color monitors to view documents  and
programs on it only because they look glitzier, and that sells. :-)
--
Piercarlo Grandi, Dept of CS, PC/UW@Aberystwyth <pcg@aber.ac.uk>
  E l'italiano cantava, cantava. E le sue disperate invocazioni giunsero
  alle orecchie del suo divino protettore, il dio della barzelletta
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Downloading a PS font permanently?
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1hcbnvINNhbl
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: karl@cs.umb.edu's message of 24 Dec 92 00:07:41 GMT


In article <KARL.92Dec23190741@ra.cs.umb.edu> karl@cs.umb.edu (Karl Berry) writes:

	   > How do I download a (PostScript) font (say, a .pfa or .pfb file)
	   > *permanently* onto the printer from Unix?

       This [serverdict ... exitserver] only applies, of course, to fonts
       downloaded to memory.  Getting a font onto a disk is a whole
       different animal.

   Right.  Downloading to memory is useless to me; I don't use my printer
   often enough to want to put up with the noise.

   Are there any reasonable PostScript printers that come with a disk?
   I've never understood why disks aren't effectively standard on PS
   printers.

Sending Type 1 fonts down with the PostScript print job
(`temporary'/`automatic' downloading) is a very reasonable thing if you have
a parallel link to the printer or if you set your serial link to a
reasonable baud rate (like 57,600 baud), and in particular if you have
partial font downloading.  Downloading fonts ahead of time
(`permanent'/`manual' downloading) is much less desirable, since it
introduces inter-job dependence, and eventually the printer has to be 
power-cycled to reclaim the memory.

Adding a hard disk to a PostScript printer adds a lot to the cost and 
decreases reliability.  It also leads to programming and compatability
nightmares, since the programming interface to file systems from PostScript
is not only not standardized, but relatively anemic compared to what
people expect from a disk file system.

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Xref: sparky comp.security.misc:2381 comp.org.eff.talk:8158
From: jgregory@ub.d.umn.edu (jennifer gregory)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:14:59 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1992Dec29.145649.5377@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>
>
>Hey, let's face it.  Users want software with zero defects, infinite
>features, and such a simple interface that no manuals are required,
>and they want it delivered yesterday.  And woe be unto he who gives
>them software when they demand it that still has a bug in it.
>

I don't think it comes down to whether or not the software has one bug, but
how many bugs, and what are the severity of said bugs?  I remember around
this time last year, playing the game "Might and Magic III" and finding typos
all over the place (one of which made you end up with an answer to a number
puzzle that was something like a factor of 12 higher than intended) and
another that made it impossible to win the game, until you called the company
and they gave you the information... I'm using the example of a game because,
well, it IS the one I'm most familiar with, and one can easily see that the
game was not playtested to the end... it's the glaring examples that seem to
make it all seem like a much worse problem than it is...

Oh, and by the way, there are bugs in OS/2, Windows (and maybe even in DOS)
that people complain about... but ya gotta realize... this is no game, and
it's no spreadsheet... it's an OPERATING SYSTEM... we're talking a whole new
level of programming.

And to note another point of yours... 'they want it delivered yesterday'...
Well, yeah... I do want it delivered yesterday, considering that they
publically announced its release months ago. ;)


Xref: sparky comp.security.misc:2362 alt.security:5227 comp.dcom.modems:18497
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,alt.security,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Looking for secure data link recommendations
Date: 25 Dec 1992 13:58:26 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <johnson.725124138@trwacs> johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes:
>breinhar@rams.srg.af.mil (Bob Reinhardt) writes:

Actually, none of the stuff below is what I said, if you're going
to use my name in an article at least include part of my text :)

Anyway, I forgot about the Motorola NES.  It may also be 
worth looking at it.  But, for the cost and its features
it is a high end product.  If all you need to do is automate
a system of mail polling and light file transfer then it
would be overkill. -- I still recommend looking at
the AT&T Model 1910 Type 1 STU-III for meeting the below
requirement -- but, Gary's question nnow needs to be
"how much and what kind of traffic do I need to pass, blah,
blah, blah?"  Judging from the fact that he was originally
looking at using STU-III serial port and assuming he's talking
about a Sectel 1500 (most people are), I think he only needs
the lower bandwidth and not the NES overkill.

----Bob Reinhardt

>
>
>>In article <murakami.9@hac2arpa.hac.com>, murakami@hac2arpa.hac.com (Gary A. Murakami) writes:
>>|> I have a requirement for secure (DOD Secret) data communications between
>>|> two sites.  Having been away from the market for while I don't know
>>|> what is currently available.  Using STU-III serial port is an option
>>|> but if there is something better (same ease of operations but maybe
>>|> faster data rates or designed solely for data comm) then I would be
>>|> interested in knowing about them.
>>|> ----
>>|> Gary Murakami       |  murakami@hac2arpa.hac.com
>>|> Hughes Training Inc.|  murky@hti.hac.com
>>|> West Covina, Calif. |
>
>>-- 
>  Motorola has a network encryption system that you might want to look at.
>
>------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. --------
>Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS      |


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