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From: 601664@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (PANG)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Nihongo List
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:26:36 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

hi there yukihiro :)

            try sending the following..:

      tell listserv at mitvma sub nihongo (your name)

       hope you get in..:)

       bye
                                                           pang
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 374ossdow@YOKOTA-EMH.AF.MIL (374 OSS/DOW)
Subject: RE: IBM Japanese Programs
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09: 00:00 LCL
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:18:15 GMT

                   I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:      7-Nov-1992 11:15am JST
                                        From:      Maj Waters
                                                   374OSSDOW
                                        Dept:
                                        Tel No:    225-8417

TO:  Remote Addressee                     ( _NIHONGO@MITVMA.MIT.EDU )


Subject: RE: IBM Japanese Programs

Z130000<Z130%SETONMUS.BITNET>, Al asked about Kanji flash card programs...

Al,
   No, that's all I know about.  If you find something then please let
me know!
     Ken
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Ken Waters    USAF, Maj, Staff Weather Officer, Yokota AB, Japan (Fussa-shi)
Internet:  DET15WX@osan-emh.af.mil     or  374OSSDOW@yokota-emh.af.mil
Compuserve: 73307,131 (checked once a yr!)       N4PBY/HL9PIT/J71???
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jmu@wam.umd.edu (James Marshall Unger)
Subject: Announcement of Search
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:20:48 GMT

             ASSISTANT OR ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR -- JAPANESE

              ASSISTANT OR ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR -- CHINESE

      The Department of Hebrew and East Asian Languages and
Literatures seeks to make two tenure-track appointments at the
level of assistant or associate professor.  One appointment will
be made in Japanese, one in Chinese.  Both will be expected to
provide leadership in enhancing the department's basic language
courses, in designing M.A. programs in language pedagogy, and in
organizing broad initiatives in the less commonly taught
languages.  The department maintains excellent working
relationships with scholars in other departments interested in
East Asian studies as well as the National Foreign Language
Center, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and other
Washington-based organizations concerned with the teaching of
critical languages.  

      The ideal candidates will possess a Ph.D. in Japanese,
Chinese, linguistics, or another relevant discipline, high level
proficiency in Japanese or Chinese, demonstrated effectiveness in
classroom teaching, a strong commitment to the field of foreign
language pedagogy, and evidence of strong scholarly achievement
or promise.  Salary and rank will be commensurate with experience
and qualifications.    
      
      Applications should include a curriculum vitae and a letter
of application along with the names and addresses of three people
who can provide letters of reference; send materials to J.
Marshall Unger, Chair, HEALL, 2106 Jimenez Hall, University of
Maryland, College Park, MD 20742-4831.  For best consideration,
all documents should arrive no later than 21 December 1992. 
AA/EOE; women and minority candidates are especially encouraged
to apply.

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (W Schipper)
Subject: Re: Intensive Summer Programs In Japan
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:05:58 GMT


You might want to consider the summer program of the International
Christian University in Mitaka, Tokyo. They also offer intensive and
semi-intensive courses during the academic year. Address:

Summer Program in Japanese
International Christian University
3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka,
Tokyo 181, Japan

The campus is prettier than Sophia's, but they don't have an email
linkup yet.

Bill

-- 
.......................................................................
W. Schipper                         Email: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Department of English,              Tel: 709-737-4406
Memorial University                 Fax: 709-737-4000
From: U94_BMCNETT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (Bryan McNett)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese terminal for DOS now on SIMTEL20
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:16:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello, everyone.
  I would like to announce that YKH, my freeware Japanese terminal for
DOS, is now available at SIMTEL20 as ykh.zip in the modem subdirectory of
the msdos archive.

it is available at wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/msdos/modem/ykh.zip.

YKH v1.0 emulates VT100, works on non-Japanese PCs, and displays Japanese
text in all of the popular formats. It is able to connect over modem or
the DECNET LAT and DECNET CTERM network terminal protocols. For those that
need it, YKH provides romaji->kana conversion, and sends kana to the host
computer in the JIS format.

YKH requires an 80286 or better CPU and a VGA video adapter. It also 
needs around 40K of free memory to run.

send all comments to me at u94_bmcnett@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu.
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                                              u94_bmcnett@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
From: cmr@WORLD.STD.COM ("Charles Richmond, I.I.S. Corp.,              723-7695", 617)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Blank Spaces
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06: 26:41 TZONE

On Sun, 8 Nov 1992, Pilch wrote:

> Maybe we could take this discussion one step further.
> Our alphabetical writing too lacks proper block delimiters which are
> quite basic for any computer language.  Compare e.g.
>
>   I gave the lecture Chinese for beginners at Muenchen university.
>   I gave the lecture (Chinese for beginners) (at Muenchen university)
>   I gave the lecture Chinese (for beginners) (at Muenchen university)
>   I gave the lecutre (Chinese) for (beginners at Muenchen university).
>

It is my understanding that the first sentence above is incorrect. It
requires delimiters to avoid having multiple and incompatible objects,
as well as to allow the modifying phrase to be identified properly.
Starting with the second example:

   I gave the lecture , Chinese for beginners , at Muenchen university.
   I gave the lecture , Chinese (for beginners) , at Muenchen university.
   I gave the lecture , Chinese , for beginners at Muenchen university.

Perhaps some teachers of English grammar will elaborate and/or correct my
usage.

Charlie  (-:


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From: hari@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com (Hariram RAMACHANDRAN)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Computers in Japan
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:15:41 GMT
Organization: Asia Peripherals Division, HP Singapore

Some pricing information on Japanese printers that may be of use to you:

Printer		List Price	Street Price
--------	----------	------------

BJ10v Select 	79,800 Yen	49,800 - 68,000 Yen
PC-PR 150N 	69,800 Yen	41,800 - 60,000 Yen
HP Deskjet 500J 99,800 Yen      69,800 - 98,000 Yen
HP Deskjet 505J 99,800 Yen      69,800 - 98,000 Yen (+12K for Color Kit)
AP-1000PC	97,800 Yen	69,800 - 79,800 Yen
LBP-A404E	238,000 Yen	188,000 - 209800 Yen
LP-2000		198,000 Yen	146,800 - 166,800 Yen

If you're planning to use a "western" IBM PC compatible, then I recommend that
you purchase a printer in the US before you head over to Japan. Generally,
peripherals and consumable prices are quite inflated in Japan.

If you think that you'll need to print Kanji, then wait till you get to
Japan. 

BTW, I worked on the Deskjet Japanese series of printers, so please bear
that in mind while looking through the list above. If you have any 
specific questions about the products please e-mail me and I'll be more
than happy to answer them.

Regards


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Hari Ramachandran            Telnet:   520-2979      
Asian Peripherals Division   Internet: hari@hpsglhr.hp.com
R&D                          Desk:     hari_ramachandran@hp3200.desk.hp.com
Hewlett Packard Singapore    Fax:      (65) 274 3431
1150 Depot Road              Tel:      (65) 279 2979
Singapore 0411
Republic of Singapore
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: gabilin@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: RE: kanji of the day ?42
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:48:45 GMT

sign me off from the mailing list
thank u!
From: arnet@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Arne Thormodsen)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:28:50 GMT
Subject: Re: In defense of kanji in Japanese
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan

>If anyone starts in on me with the "Kanji _ARE_ ideographs"
>thread, I will be very unpleased.  That thread takes on an
>almost religious aspect.  Besides, the non-pictograph crowd
>has science on their side, the pro-picto side has only "feeling"..

Gosh, a veiled threat, attack on religion and "expert authority"
gig all in three sentences.  I wish *I* were so good at notes posting!

OK, so here's my clever defence of ideograms (yes, I said it, nya,
nya, nya :-)

Ideograms are an obviously superior writing system because cultures
which use them are slowly but surely beating the snot out of cultures
which don't.  Except for the odd blip of European expansionism which
ended about 100 years ago, Han-character-based cultures have had the
longest and strongest unbroken line of success of any culture which
has so far existed.

There, now *that* ought to send this whole discussion into the
ozone, where it belongs...

--arne

DISCLAIMER:  This statement does not represent any position of
the Hewlett-Packard company, but may be an indirect result of the
urn coffee they serve around here.
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: In defense of kanji in Japanese
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:13:07 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Of course, the same situation applies in English (to a lesser degree)
when reading new words such as "endoderm", "technoblurb", or
"microcosm".


-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Luxury!  In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap...
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: HyperCard stacks to learn Japanese?
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:08:59 GMT


I posted this as well for general interest:

In article <1dia7lINNi5d@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gukgn@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Kim Guan Ng)  
writes:
    *  G'day - I am posting this for a friend who does not have net access.
    *  Does anyone know of any software for the mac to teach you Japanese? PD
    *  or shareware preferred, but commercial OK too.
    *  
Write to Stone Bridge Press,
P. O. Box 8208
Berkeley,
California 94707

telephone (510) 524-8732
facsimile (510) 524-8711

One of their products is called the Mac Sunrise Script.
It's a Hypercard version of  the Hadamitzy and Spahn
Kana and Kanji dictionary.

	........  Henry
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From: Peter.Weekes@BBS.ACTRIX.GEN.NZ
Subject: Re: IBM Japanese Programs
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:28:39 GMT

Hi Ken, if you find some kind of flash card program, I'd be very keen to get a
copy too. BTW, where is Fussa ?

Thanks,

Peter
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Box 7163              Parasitologist                 |
Wellington South      Epidemiologist                 |
New Zealand           Peter.Weekes@bbs.actrix.gen.nz |
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From: barua@plains.NoDak.edu (Soumen Barua)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Phone
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:20:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxH26F.K1r
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Last night I had few dreams. In one of them it seemed like Sony had developed 
a phone looked like a celular phone. That phone is extremely advanced. I heard a
voice which said that nobody was even been able to make a forgery of the phone.
(I assume it meant nobody could make a copy). I think the name of the phone
was "oki" phone. (Is there a phone by Sony called oki phone?).
Then I saw a friend of mine along with his girlfriend(she was Japanese) waiting
for a ride (I don't know anything about his girlfreind(Japanese or whatsoever).
What is a better way to self learn Japanese language? I guess I need to take
courses offered at the university. Any other suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
From: stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: nihongo on a SUN sparcstation IPC?
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Minasan,

I would like to install some PD japanese software on a SUN
SparcStation IPC and would be grateful for some help by someone
having experience with Japanese TeX and/or other editors

Kurt

Tel.:+49-221-5062537

Max-Planck-Institute fuer Zuechtungsforschung
Carl von Linne Weg 10
D-5000 Cologne 30
Germany
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 601664@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (PANG)
Subject: Re: JEI
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:23:49 GMT

ogawaJ:

      i am sorry.., i don't know anything about JEI, but i have heard of
JET, and something about the kanji thing....:)
      i just got your mail....so, i suppose you are on board...:)
      i have a question to ask you...:)

      do you know how to use "telnet" commands?????

                                              bye
                                                 pang
From: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: JIS Technical Lit.
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:36:46 GMT
Reply-To: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Can anyone out there direct me to technical literature regarding JIS?
Is there some "order" to the characters? (Stroke count; radicals; 
roots; pronunciation; etc.) Reserved codes? Simplified characters?
Combinations?

I am requesting this for someone I know working on some font design
and he doesn't know where to find the info.

RSVP by e-mail also, please, as I can't follow this group as I used
to. 

Thank you very much.
sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: jwp
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:55:17 GMT


Some questions about jwp japanese word pro.

I have some problems with jwp, here they are:

  1) cant seem to get the copy and paste etc to work
  2) kanji insertion from the dictionary puts junk into the
     line.

Any clues??

Ray
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: huttar@ief.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: English docs for Japanese input programs?  (Egg, wnn, skk)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:37:51 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at Texas Instruments Inc.
              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.
                                                     


I've been using wnn for a while, mostly by trial and error.
Does anyone have documentation for it in English?
I wondering about things like how to customize my personal dictionary,
how to choose from a list of kanji instead of hitting down-arrow forever,
what the tab key does and how to undo it...
Actually, maybe these are issues of Egg (I'm using Egg within Nemacs).
For that matter, does anyone have Egg documentation in English?

My biggest problem with nemacs/egg/wnn is that I can't get
wnn to compile on an HP.  Egg depends on wnn, and Nemacs depends
on Egg, so without wnn I don't have Japanese input.  Or at least
no kanji input.

What functionality does skk provide?
Input of kana?  Conversion to kanji?
What kinds of programs does it work with?

Canna has English (and Japanese) documentation, and it looks like
the most comprehensive system.  I haven't tried it yet though.  Has
anyone?  Does it work well?  The README file for Mule -- whose beta
version was just announced -- lists Canna as one of the possible input
methods.  I wonder how well integrated they are?

I would like to summarize the various input systems for the FAQ...
It's pretty complicated to put together a full Japanese editing system
for a particular machine if you don't know where to look for the info.

The ones I've mentioned above are for Unix/X, but I'd like info about
input software for other platforms too.

Thanks.

| |    Lars Huttar                          3
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  |    (Opinions herein are not     ||:  |  |  |   |   |   |  |   | :||  Mars
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       $B7n$O6yED$N207AA%(J  (tsuki wa Sumida no yakatabune)
       (Hooray -- now I can post kanji!)
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: How to speak, read and write as well as native-born Japanese?
Keywords: native-born  curriculum  books  fluency
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:52:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.155200.3481
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


lzb1246@hiuxm.kuec.kyoto-u.ac.jp (TAMANO Ken'iti) writes:
>  And more, in Nippon, there is a difference between speaked language and 
>written language.  This differnce is not small.  And the textbooks used in 
>school are for written language.

Hmm ... I'm not sure what you mean by spoken language, but I guess it
couldn't mean "kougo".  As I understand it, there's written language 
(bungo) and spoken language (kougo).  Regular textbooks, newspaper, 
and magazines use kougo.  Bungo is an archaic form of the language.  
I'm not sure where and when it's appropriate to use bungo, but you see/hear 
it from time to time (eg. in poetry ... Oh no! senryuu!)
From: gukgn@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Kim Guan Ng)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: HyperCard stacks to learn Japanese?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 13:57:09 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

G'day - I am posting this for a friend who does not have net access.

Does anyone know of any software for the mac to teach you Japanese? PD
or shareware preferred, but commercial OK too.

Thanks for any pointers. If this is the wrong group to post this
question, could someone point me to a more appropriate one?

Thanks a lot.
-Kim

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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: How to speak, read and write as well as native-born Japanese?
Keywords: native-born  curriculum  books  fluency
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.070844.22773@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> lzb1246@hiuxm.kuec.kyoto-u.ac.jp (TAMANO Ken'iti) writes:
>
>  And more, in Nippon, there is a difference between speaked language and 
>written language.  This differnce is not small.  And the textbooks used in school 
>are for written language.

I have heard this many times: that Japanese is both a written language and
a spoken language.  Now, linguists (or occidental ones, anyway) beg to differ
on the idea that there is a true "written" language at all, since they deal so
often with languages that had/have no writing system.  Since they are
interested in reducing language to its essentials, and since they are dealing
quite often with illiterate informants (if not whole illiterate societies),
they have decided that their field is about only what is spoken and heard.

However, accepting that the term "written" language has real meaning, then
doesn't English also have a "written language" in the same sense?

For example, I have read the word "albeit" hundreds of times (at least) I
know what it means, and I have used it in writing.  However, I have actually
*spoken* "albeit" only a few times, and much of the time the listener responded
with confusion.  I still don't know if my chosen pronunciation is accurate, since
I've never heard anyone else speak it (except, perhaps, in the same tentative
way I did.)  Isn't this somewhat analogous to the kanji that people know the
meaning of, but not the reading of?  In the case of the kanji, the pronunciation
problem is extreme; at least "albeit" contains some approximation of its own
pronunciation, whereas the kanji might have no clues at all.  But the basic
difference remains: that there are many words, and not few grammatical
constructions, that we encounter almost exclusively in print.  To use them
in speech is to risk incomprehension from your listeners, or at least
the appearance of pomposity.  Are these language elements part of "written
English", in the same sense as there is purported to be a "written Japanese"?
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu (Jon Wiederspan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Gomitalk program
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.191432.6628
Organization: Technical Japanese Program
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72549E8F702CA3F@harajuku.tjp.washington.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:13:44 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <1992Nov5.162000.1@optik.eng.yale.edu> ,
beggy@optik.eng.yale.edu writes:
>I am looking for an FTP site for Gomitalk, a program which allows
Kanjitalk to
>run on Mac System 7.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
>Chris Beggy

Try ftp.uwtc.washington.edu in /pub/Japanese/Macintosh.
From: medcm529@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU ("Andreas M. Kogelnik")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: intensive summer course in Japan
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

I was in the Hakodate program 2 years ago.  What family
did you stay with??

Andy Kogelnik
kogelnik@u1.cc.emory.edu
From: vetrima@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: New Jersey
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:15:22 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Hello,I'm looking for a Japanese conversation partner in the N.J. area.
If there is any body interested in this please contact me in Japanese or 
Enghish before Nov. 24 at this E-mail adress.


Thanks,
Enzo
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