From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:54:40 GMT

In article 1429 <92Sep29.114809edt.114@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>(17 more) 
liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>well, what's the difference, India still want it, does it?  It just continued
>the regional bully role Queen Victoria's Empire.  As I recall, British(Indian)
>troops and then spin doctors was working on Tibet really fast before
>the Brits fucked up in both WWs and shrank their empire, first by invading
>Tibet sacking Lasha when when China was in internal turmoil and too weak
>to fight for its territory, and then bribe Tibetan diplomats to sign
>away bordering territories to India behind both the Regional Tibetan
>government and the central government's back.  
 
The difference is that India did not invade and hold with force a
sovereign country called Tibet.
 
>Sure it's a soverveign country, as long as it doesn't sneeze in front
>of India.  By the way, Panama and Granda are also soverveign countries,
>but who gives a shit about them?  
 
Whether you give a "shit" about them or not, Nepal and Bhutan are 
sovereign countries.  India gives enough of a "shit" about them to let 
them remain sovereign countries.  I rather suspect that Tibet would 
like to be sovereign too.
 
>Can you explain to me how it is done?  Do you know, before the communists
>ever existed, they are "Tibetan" troops in "China", and "Chinese" troops
>in "Tibet", and "Muslim("Hui") troops all over the place too.  China unified
 
You mean: "there were Tibetans in Tibet."  China annexed the whole of 
the Tibetan province of Amdo (renaming as Qinghai province) and much of 
Kham province (annexing much of it to Sichuan, Gansu and Yunnan provinces) 
leaving less half the original country as Xizang. 
 
>independent and automous provinces all over the place, and the Americans
>will still be prompting free-trade for uncle sam's surpluses all over
>the 178 countries, and send in a couple of carriers to squash
>some banana republics for let's say selling opium to its citizens or
>something.  Hey, China would just like the free & democratic
>nations of Africa.  ;->   
 
Well, China did one thing right: it didn't go after "banana" republics,  
rather it went after a "treasure house;" and then it went one better 
by calling exactly that: "Xizang" (= "treasure house").
 
>yes, as long as the native rights doesn't bug the Quebeckers,
>and they can't have whatever they want as long as whiteman can
>build a huge dam or golf course on their /hunting/traditonal/scared/burial
>land.  
 
Canada has been giving back huge tracts of land to the native and many 
more negotiations are underway.  What has China been doing?
 
>and on the second note, what's china doing?  I don't deny China don't
>have a democratic government.  However, you will be surprised that
>Cultural assimulation is not at all one of the tactic of that brutal
>government.  Tibetans are still there, after thoudsands of years of
>livint with the Han, so are the Muslims"Hui", I think they wind up
 
Why did 100,000 Tibetans leave in 1959?  Why are 100's more leaving 
every month?  Why was a Tibetan shot in Nepal trying to escape Tibet
as was reported in China News Digest last month?
 
>The MOngolians are still roaming the plain & desert, although inner mongolia 
>now has large industrial cities, and in the cities mongolians and Hans are
 
Inner Mongolia is now >95% Han.  Tibet (=Xizang+Qinghai+parts of Gansu, 
Sichuan and Yunnan) is now close to 50% Han or Hui.  The Tibetans are 
afraid that China is trying the same strategy in Tibet as it used in 
Inner Mongolia.  What surer way to prevent minority independence 
movements.  Tibetans have protested this policy vehemently.


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