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From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: MOVE THIS TO ALT.MOTSS
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:32:47 GMT

dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans) writes:

>Hey!  could we move the homophobe discussion somewhere else?
>let's discuss topics of LOCAL interest, this is cluttering up

Trust me, this is a topic of local interest EVERYWHERE.

>You AREN'T going to change the minds ... blah blah ... convert ... 

No, not if we move the discussion to some back-page non-read newsgroup.

>THIS ARGUMENT IS a fruitless exercise in fruity flamefesting. ;->

But it is envigorating, is it not? I think the use of "fruity" was a
little tacky though, don't you?

>GIVE IT A NAP! just my .02......

ZZZzzzz.... I'll call your .02 and raise you .03. :-)

Ken

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexual Adoption
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:55:07 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

TO: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
 
 
 
MW> "To what extent does the state have to _recognize that marraige_
? Does the federal government have to recognize it too?  How about 

employers?  The IRS?  The bank?  The church?  The real estate agent? 
 The adoption agency?"
 
Leah> Oh I don't know, I've never been gay and I've never been involved 
in a homosexual marriage, however I certainly hope that I never see 
the day when homosexual couples are allowed to adopt. As an adoptee 
I can tell you that it is hard enough to go through your life wondering 
all kinds of things; it takes years to overcome what adoption experts 
call the "Primal Wound". I would not want to complicate that healing 
process with the placement of children in the homes of homosexual 
men or women.
    As far as the rest of it, if you are legally married then I see 

no reason why the IRS wouldn't recognize a joint tax return, or a 
joint checking account (esp. since you can have a joint account with 
anyone even if you are not married). as for Real Estate have you ever 
heard of two people buying a home together who were not married? I 
have. It happens all the time.
 
    Going back to the adoption issue again. I am also a birth mother. 

I have a son who lives in New York with his adoptive parents. I chose 
them. I would NEVER allow the state to decide who got my child. I 
have the added pleasure of having an "Open Adoption" relationship 
with my son's parents. We write regularly and the adoptive mother 
and I have become very good friends over the years. If I had even 
the slightest inkling that my son would end up in the home of a 
homosexual couple I would have never even considered the adoption 
option {even though I know that my child needed special care I was 
unable to provide for him}. I would rather die than see my child in 
that environment.
 
 
    And about HIV. You need to check up on that. I no longer refer 

to HIV as being the cause of AIDS because there have been many cases 
of people who died of AIDS who did not have the HIV virus. (See a 
last summer issue (can't remember the exact month) of Spin Magazine.) 
The truth is they don't really know what causes AIDS and they are 
not telling us everything that they do know. They = C.D.C. & W.H.O.
Leah
 
BTW Margaret are you a lesbian? 



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Clinton, the military, and homosexuals (was: Re: In Distress)
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:08:08 GMT

In <1992Nov17.155412.3954@b11.b11.ingr.com> gary@rocker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Braswell) writes:

>If you disagree with everything I have said, fine.  Flame me on the net.
>I only read the news about once every 2 weeks anyway, so you can call me
>whatever you like.  The bottom line is: unless you've served in the military,
>you cannot adequately judge anyone who has decided to do so, and you haven't
>got the expertise to determine what is best for the armed services.  In that
>respect, Clinton's election is a catastrophe.

I agree with one of your main points: namely, that leadership by
example is the core of military leadership- and that by extension
someone who can't lead by example isn't fit to be commander in chief.

On the other hand, I believe that Clinton has the right idea with
respect to integrating the armed forces. He's already stated that he
intends to allow women, and homosexuals, the full range of career
opportunities available to straight males in the military.

I disagree with some aspects of this policy; to wit, I don't think women
belong in infantry units or aboard warships- yet. Maybe events will
change my mind. Less than 50 years ago, we still had racially
segregated military units, and that certainly seems horribly backwards
to us today.

Today's "all-volunteer" military is a professional force. I expect my
fellow servicemen, and women, to be professional and to meet the
performance standards imposed by cognizant commanders. In this case,
being a professional means accepting people of different backgrounds
and lifestyles _and evaluating them on their ability_, not whether
they have the same tastes or lifestyle as I do.

In any event, the Pentagon is in for a big surprise. I can't say they
don't deserve it. Desert Storm and the whole Tailhook imbroglio showed
IMHO that the DoD has talked the talk but that they haven't yet
progressed to walking the walk.

-Paul Robichaux
 Sgt., USMCR, HMA-773.. we'll fly what no one else will!
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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:38:41 GMT

>I would agree with you except for one thing you are forgetting.
>A person can have AIDS for years and not test positive for it.

THIS IS NOT TRUE.  SOMEONE - ANYONE - MAYBE YOU - CAN BE HIV POSITIVE
FOR YEARS.  

HAVING THE ACTUAL AIDS VIRUS WOULD BE PRETTY DIFFICULT NOT TO NOTICE.

If you insist on being so prolifically blatantly opinionated at least
get the FACTS straight. 
The paranoia over AIDS is largely due to IGNORANCE.  Please refrain
from spreading misinformation.


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From: Tom.Foolery@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Foolery)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: murder rates (was hom
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:29:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

Hmmm... I too would question the 'fact' of the murder rate going up over 
the last x years. Murder rate as a percentage of the population that is.



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:35:53 GMT
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Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:
[...]
>    As far as the social aspects go. There was a female
> homosexual in my Boot Camp Company (In fact, since she had ROTC
> in High School she was out company leader). She had joined on
> the "Buddy System" with her homosexual lover. It took them all
> of three weeks to find out the two were an "Item" and processed
> them out. However she never acted in any fashion that made the
> rest of us uncomfortable, infact we all were pretty sad that she
> had to go. She was very fair as a company leader. I guess I
> would have been uncomfortable in the shower with her knowing she
> was gay. 

But wouldn't this have been *your* problem? Would *you* have thrown your
CC-- who was *obviously* motivated to be a good sailor-- out of the Navy
because *you* were uncomfortable with the person she loved?

[...]

>    Still I vote no to Slick Willies brillant idea of letting
> professed homosexuals in.

I guess you would.  And she never made a move on you. 

You sound cruel to me. IMHO, of course.

max.monningh
mmonningh@igc.org
maxwell@fnal.fnal.gov
From: keith@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Ford)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: McAfee SCANV 99 available
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:39:26 CST
Organization: Micro Magic

Now available on Micro Magic in the IBM Utilities file area.
Version 99 of the McAfee virus scanner. 


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Newsgroups: hsv.general,general
From: rex@iqsc.COM (Rex Black)
Subject: Re: Nightline and Presidential Cantidates
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:58:44 GMT

Lawrence Hughes writes:
Dennis Bednarek writes:
>> ...  If Clinton
>> can force private industry to hire 1,000,000 unempolyed
>      ^^^^^
>> Americans at a living wage that means the goverment would
>> have an additional 14,000,000,000.00.  
>I can't call him a FASCIST...[but he is] a SOCIALIST...

This kind of thing really adds more heat than light to the discussion.
Ad hominem attacks have nothing to do with the issues.

>So where are these million jobs supposed to come from? 

This is the real point, which Larry Hughes obscures with personal attacks.
Government can not directly create private-sector jobs.  If gov't were to 
"force", cajole, legislate or "incentivize" private industry into hiring
people for whom no real work existed, this would simply transfer the 
expenses of welfare and other public assistence onto the consumers of the
products produced by the victim companies.  (Some argue that the profits 
of the victim companies would also go down.)  The impact on productivity
at these companies would be two-fold:  First, adding man-power that does
not increase production reduces productivity by definition;  Second, a
culture of sloth and busy-work tends to infect a whole company once
introduced.

Rex
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: Re: Simtel
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:53:42 GMT

>Keith,
>Would you are anyone else post an example message that has resulted in
>receiving a file through the Simtel system. I have tried three times to get
>DVC18.ZIP using the info from SIMTEL.HOW without success. Obviously, I am

The SIMTEL archive is now available on Micro Magic as a CDROM.  You should
be able to find the file there.  I'll check into your problem with the 
email server.

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:54:23 GMT

puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
> Homosexuality goes against
> the very future of mankind, and I for one will never support it or allow
> it to be represented to my children as an acceptable way of life.  We
> live in a wonderful country with many freedoms, but look around you and
> see what abuse of freedom has brought our society to.  Being free
> requires greater self-discipline.  It does NOT mean that "anything
> goes".

I replied:
> Are you saying that it took a lot of self-discipline on
> your part to be a heterosexual, while I wasn't disciplined enough and
> gave into impulses to be gay?  And here I thought your heterosexuality
> was natural and innate.....

To which Ken responds:
> Ha! Cheap shot. If you can't talk logically, talk louder right? Classic 
> homosexual defense...imply such tendancies in anyone who tries to dispute
> your activity. 

Sir, your self-discipline remark appears to be a slur.  If you did not
intend to imply that I'm gay because I lack self-discipline, then what
exactly DID you mean by the remark?

-Jim

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Newsgroups: ingr.general,hsv.general
From: makarand@b30.ingr.com (Makarand Gokhale)
Subject: Share A Babysitter ????
Keywords: babysitter share baby sitter
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:09:01 GMT

I am posting this for a friend, please reply to the person listed below:


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1992. The babysitter will sit at our home in madison, close to Intergraph.
Please contact Veena Mistry @ 461 - 7109 after 5.00 P.M., or send e-mail to

veena@pcb2.b23b.ingr.com
or
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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans)
Subject: MOVE THIS TO ALT.MOTSS
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:16:34 GMT

Hey!  could we move the homophobe discussion somewhere else?
let's discuss topics of LOCAL interest, this is cluttering up
the newsgroup!

You AREN'T going to change the minds of right-wing, ultra-conservatives
or religious zealots into thinking that homosexuality is not wrong

You AREN'T going to convert the homosexuals OR the "breeders"

You AREN'T going to change the minds of the left-wing, liberals,
or "live-and-let-live" zealots into thinking that everyone should
not do whatever they please in the privacy of their own home

THIS ARGUMENT IS a fruitless exercise in fruity flamefesting. ;->

GIVE IT A NAP!

just my .02......
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: jim@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:46:49 GMT

In article <6431.2B0943C6@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer) writes:
|> James Reed said:
|> >...
|> 
|> First my understanding is it is almost impossible to catch AIDS from 
|> an HIV positive food preparer. But regardless, to say someone can 
|> not work in a certain area because they are in a high risk group, when 
|> they probably do not have AIDS, strikes me illegal and immoral. 
|> Now if companies wanted to test all employees for AIDS, I wouldn't 
|> object.

You may not object, but the homosexual rights groups do object.

You skipped the first part of my post.  Companies are not allowed to
test employees for AIDS.  Because of that stupid restriction (fully
supported by the homosexual rights groups) some companies feel
compelled to do other stupid things (discriminate against healthy
people because they appear to be at a higher risk of having HIV).

|> >Unfortunately, the homosexual rights groups do not appear to be
|> >interested in treating AIDS as a public health issue, but rather
|> >as a human rights one.
|>  
|> I can see thier point, since so many people want to restrict their 
|> employment based on what could be rather than fact. 

You see their point, but you missed my point.  Companies feel forced
to act on what could be because they are not allowed to know the facts.

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:29:22 GMT

pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald) writes:

>Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat.
>	- Principia Discordia
>-- 

If that statement is representative of YOUR common sense, I hope to avoid you
on the highway.

>Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
>Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for
>the work of the Lord.
>	- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf", trans. Ralph Mannheim.
>--
>   ______
>  / ___  )  |o| Patrick Fitzgerald     |o| pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com

Will you be passing along excerpts of other fascist authors' works or
was that transcript somehow apropo to the "common sense" topic?

Ken

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From: Craig.Presson@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Craig Presson)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Rights
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:29:31 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

Steve Crooks quotes the Big Guy:
>>  "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
...
>>                                       -- Thomas Jefferson
KP>   The point being that, in spite of the fact that our Creator
|>    endowed us with these rights, the "governments...instituted
|>    among men" are required to "secure these rights". They are
|>    therefore a priviledge we enjoy thanks to the Government ...
*BZZZZZZZT* Exactly backwards, but thanks for playing.
Jefferson was pointing out that _rights_ precede, and should not
be usurped by, government. You cannot make a privilege out of a
right and still call it a right. That is what "inalienable" means.

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexual Adoption Poll.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:09:02 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 
1. HOMOSEXUAL ADOPTION.
Creation date: OCT 28,1992
 
There is a raging contraversy (sp) concerning homosexuals being allowed 
to adopt children. Some strong points made by those who support the 
adoption of children by homosexuals are: 1) The homosexual parent 
can give a child love just as a heterosexual could; 2) The fact that 
in most states homosexual adoption is not allowed is a form of 
discrimination; 3) Many children are placed in abusive hetrosexual 
homes...etc..
  Some of the strong points made by those who do not favor homosexual 

adoption are; 1) If biological parents thought that their child *might*
 end up in the home of a homosexual couples care the biological parent 

might choose to keep the child {regardless if they can afford to care 
for them, or meet their emotional needs}, or they might choose to 
abort their children; 2) Due to the fact that homosexual couples can 
not marry the agency may not be able to do a complete homestudy which 
includes both prospective parents; 3) There is a signifigant rise 
in numbers within the homosexual community for those in our society 
who have {among other things} increased likelyhood of STD's including 
AIDS, increased percentage of suicide, as well as increased numbers 
who tend towards pedophilac acts...
 
    The question then is: Should Homosexuals should be allowed to 

adopt? Strongly agree is a "Yes, homosexuals should be allowed to 
adopt" Strongly dissagree is "No, Homosexuals should not be allowed 
to adopt"
    Some may feel that it should be left to the birthparent to specify 

if their child should be allowed to be adopted into a homosexual home... 
Use the middle ground to comment in that fashion please.
    Continued...
Next message.



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexuals
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:11:25 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

To: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
 
 
 
 
LW> I guess I would have been uncomfortable in the shower with her 
knowing she was gay.
 
MAX> But wouldn't this have been *your* problem? Would *you* have 
thrown your CC-- who was *obviously* motivated to be a good sailor-
- out of the Navy because *you* were uncomfortable with the person 

she loved?
 
LEAH replies: No, I was not uncomfortable with the person she loved 
(in fact I never met her). I never did shower with this girl either, 

but if I had to take a shower with a woman whom I knew was a lesbian 
I would be uncomfortable. That is not to say that I would have hated 
her, because I didn't and I don't. I just would not want to shower 
with her.
 
LW>    Still I vote no to Slick Willies brillant idea of letting
LW> professed homosexuals in.
 
MAX> I guess you would.  And she never made a move on you.
 
 
Leah: No, she didn't and I am thankful for that.
 
MAX> You sound cruel to me. IMHO, of course.
 
 
Leah replies: Oh yes, I use torture methods every day. I submit such 
messages to this echo which ARE blatant forms of torture to the Liberal 
mindset.
(grin)



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:05:37 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

well Carol some of us don't have a terminal to use in our leisure 
hours at work. Some of us are stay at home moms with very few seconds 
to spare in fear that the little ones might flush themselves down 
the toilet or something. :) I post when the kids are napping, those 
times are breif and my spelling suffers from this speed posting.
 
Also I use an Amiga, I do not have AmySilver Express or any off line 
reader currently up and running, so I post live.
 
I think Dan Quayle is OK but I would never vote for him as President.
However, I must admit that I always spelled Potato with an E until 
that story came out. It looked right. :)
Leah
 



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: wilsonk@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Wilson)
Subject: Radon Testing Kits Available
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:17 GMT


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