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From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: Outboard Problems
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:13:39 GMT

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:50:55 GMT, mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein) wrote:

>I am having a problem with a 1981 Evinrude 140 (non-VRO).
>It starts fine, runs okay, accelerates fine, but after a few
>seconds at high speed it drops dead - doesn't run rough or cough, 
>just stops cold. It restarts fine. 
>Any ideas? I suspect the fuel pump. 

It might be, but I'd be inclined to check out the rest of the fuel
system.  I've seen these symptoms when people used portable tanks and
didn't open the vent.  I've also seen these symptoms from clogged
fuel filters (filter is located on the fuel pump on your motor), from
clogged fuel pickups (some have a filter on the pickup foot), and water
in the gas (which didn't reach the fuel pickup when the boat was level
at idle, but did under power with the bow up and the fuel sloshing).

It's generally agreed that an I/O-style fuel filter/water separator is
a good thing on an outboard, although you _must_ change it regularly to
keep from depriving the engine of fuel and thus oil.

You didn't mention whether you are still advancing the throttle lever
when it dies, or whether you have left the throttle fixed for a few
seconds.  Since the throttle linkage moves the timing base, you might
have problems with the wiring there.  The insulation might be chafed
through, causing it to ground when you open the throttle, or the wire
itself may have corroded internally (do you run in salt water?).  Also,
there may be a bad connection where the wire connects to the pin of
one of those rubber wiring connectors.

>I was alone with it so I couldn't
>pump the primer bulb while it was running to test this theory. What
>else should I look for?? The boat is drydocked now until spring.


>thanks-
>mike goldstein

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
From: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


In rec.boats, dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine) writes:

Stuff deleted
>
>From a little digging I've done, the weather looks to have been fairly
>un-interesting, with the exception of a couple of cold fronts which
> More stuff deleted
>
Angus Phillips of the Washighton Post had a whole column on this lost
boat in Tuesdays paper.  He showed a diagram that indicated that between 
the position of Mike Plant's (right name?)  contact with a freighter
and the EPIRB signal would be a course that intersected a hurricane 
moving North in the Atlantic. Based on other notes here I don't think his
chances are very good.  From the article, he was spending all of his 
availible time looking for money and very little in boat preparation, 
nor was he getting any experience handling the boat, depending on other 
people to move it from Annapolis to New York, etc.  while he was on 
the radio/telephone.  According to Phillips, in his last communication
Plant indicated that if he couldn't get his electrical problems fixed he
was going to turn around and head for Nova Scotia, so maybe the search
is in the wrong area.  We can only hope so.

					   Frank
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Mounting transducers without a thru-hull
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
	<1992Nov16.130823.23192@pdn.paradyne.com> <8946@unix386.Convergent.COM>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:06:00 GMT

To steer a depth curve you follow a contour line on your chart by using your
depth sounder to maintain a constant depth.  Very useful in low visibility
conditions.  

Also useful is if you don't get a good look at the number on a bouy or some
other marker is to verify that the depth along your projected track matches
up to what you see the bottom as being.  I have been saved a couple of times
from errors in reading a bouy by noting that the depth sounder was not
returning numbers which agreed with the chart.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: westphal@sky.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal)
Subject: Breaking Waves at Santa Cruz Harbor
Originator: westphal@sundog.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA AMES
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:35:23 GMT


I've just started sailing and need some information.
Does anyone have a few pointers on how to get into Santa Cruz
harbor when the waves are breaking? Surfing in with the wave
breaking over the stern is exciting and no doubt entertains the
folks looking on from the Crow's Nest Bar. It is no worse than
kayaking on the Grand Canyon, but I don't have a 'roll' in my
Cat 22.  I don't think it is good sailing practice; it felt like
we could have been rolled and I have heard second-hand stories
of boats being surfed up onto the east jetty. Yuk.

For those unfamiliar with the harbor, it faces south. The west
jetty has a 45 degree bend to the southeast at the tip to protect
the harbor. This means you have to come in from the southeast.
Shoaling occurs at the tip of the west jetty so the waves break
as they pass the jetty but then stop breaking inside the jetty
where the channel is deeper.

                |      |
    Land        |      |     Land
                |      |                     ^
                |      |                     |
====Beach========      ======Beach=====      N
                |      |
                |      |
                |      |
                \      
   ocean         \             
                  \
                   \_   <-----   Area of breaking waves        

We returned at a -1.0 tide with 4 foot swell and 10 knot winds
from the southwest which puts me on a beam reach and parallel
to the swell, maximizing potential for heeling. (These conditions
aren't bad by themselves; it's the shoaling that causes the
problems.) We had the jib up and the mainsail reefed. No motor.
I was distracted by a 40+ boat with bare poles that seemed determined
to sneak past or run over me. At the last moment he circled and
went back out, probably laughing as our boat was THROWN into the
harbor by a breaking wave.

Several points come to mind but I'm not sure which are valid or
are important.

TIDE:  Avoid returning to harbor during low tides. What tide is best?
Worst?

TIMING: As you near the harbor, start timing the waves and come in on
the heels of one of the 'sets of four'. This is advice from a surfer.
Does it work?

SAIL or POWER: Sail in as fast as possible with motor assist.
OR Sail in as slow as possible with only the jib. Have the motor
ready as a backup.

TACTICS: Turn and sail perpendicular to the breaking wave just before
it hits you so that the boat isn't surfed sideways.
OR Keep the boat at an angle to the breaking wave so that you stay
off of the east jetty.


Now that the harbor has their own dredge, is the harbor kept open
all winter?


email or Usenet replies welcome.  Thanks in advance.
From: ebrook@athena.mit.edu (Edward J Brook)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Westsail 32
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:26:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Nov18.152630.20806
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Thank you to those who responded to my request for information
about the Westsail 32.  I am still seeking more information 
and opinions about these boats.  E-mail replies to
ebrook@athena.dialup.mit.edu.

Thanks again, Ed Brook
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:57:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.boats, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:


>> Didn't Humphrey Bogart play Captain Grog in a movie about a WWII minesweeper?

I think that was said with tongue-in-cheek, but are you referring to
the "Cain Mutiny"?

B.S!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dlandry@ncs.dnd.ca (Dominique Landry)
Subject: Vision 32 - 4 Sale
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:41:50 GMT


This sailboat belongs to me and it's for sale:
 
Manufacturor:  Hunter
Model: Vision32
Year: 1990
Price: 52,000 $
 
Anyone interested - please send e-mail: dlandry@ncs.dnd.ca
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: wood or glass?
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:19:44 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Nov14.010752.11089@u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>I'd been advised by many folks to avoid buying a used wooden boat
>because of the relatively high maintenance.  Not sure what they
>were talking about, I took a short course in wooden boat
>maintenance and repair, and I now have a much better idea about
>what's involved in dealing with an aging wooden boat.
>
>But I still can't compare wood to fiberglass because I can't find
>much information about maintaining glass.  I hear and read many
>references to osmosis, gelcoat crazing, delamination, and other
>ailments, but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it's realistic
>to expect of, say, a twenty-to-thirty-year-old fiberglass hull, or what
>might be involved in refurbishing a neglected glass boat.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks.

Wooden Boat magazine had an article some time back comparing the costs
of maintaining a wooden boat versus the cost of maintaining a glass
boat. The article presumed that you would have a yard do most of
the work, and was pretty thorough, in typical WB fashion. Surprisingly,
to me anyway, the costs came out pretty even.

On the other hand, I have an Alberg 30 (glass) and my brother has
a 1941 Hinckley Islander (31', wood) in the next slip. We both do a lot
of our own work, and he works a hell of a lot more than I. I think
the extra work is worth it to have a lovely wooden boat. In fact,
my next boat will be wood.

If you call Wooden Boat, I'm sure they could figure out which 
article I referred to, and send you the issue. Try 800-877-5284
which is the sales office, and they'll give you the number for
the back issues people, I guess.

Bob Parkinson
bobp@sandr.com
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Question about zinc...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:02:17 GMT
Organization: Invictus
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <ZIELKE.92Nov16104430@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil> zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke) writes:
>                                                      I am currently using a
>hang over the side type [zinc] to protect the prop.

Could someone explain:

  1) Are these effective?

  2) What needs to be done to make/install one?

Thanks,

Dudley
.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: hal@netcom.com (Hal Wine)
Subject: Re: soap for salt water
Summary: Dawn by Proctor & Gambel does it
Keywords: soap, lather, salt water, ecologically friendly
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:36:11 GMT

In article <1ejtgfINN53p@manuel.anu.edu.au> gal851@huxley.anu.edu.au
(Geoff Latham) writes:
> Anyone know of a widely available, ecologically friendly
> soap which will lather in salt (sea) water?
In the US, we have a dishwashing liquid called "Dawn" by Proctor & Gambel
tha lathers quite well in salt water.  It doesn't have any phosphates.

Perhaps P&G markets it down under, too.

Good Luck!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<lghfbmINN79n@cronkite>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:13:22 GMT

I don't know what the facts are, but here's what I got from the
(Saturday?) NY Times article.

The article really spun the story to suggest that Coyote has probably
sunk.   They had some expert who claims that the only reasonable
conclusions for the EPIRB giving such a brief and weak signal is that
it was momentarily activated by accident, or the sucker went to the
bottom.

They also claimed that some peripheral warning signs, including the
radio transmission to the freighter, which according to the times,
said he had lost ``all'' electrical power, strongly suggested Plant was in
trouble, but since this was Mike Plant, the authorities, including the
Coast Guard were inclined to let him sort it out, as he would be
rather miffed to be rescued in the middle of ordinary self reliance.

There was a chart which showed the EPIRB transmission quite a distance
(several hundred miles?) due south of his last radio transmission,
which suggested a course at right angles to his desired course.  It
looks like a dead drift.

I would like to know what the weather was like during this entire
period.  There was no mention of severe weather in the article.

Steph
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Mounting transducers without a thru-hull
Keywords: depth sounders, transducers, mounting
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:01:07 GMT

>Could someone explain what a depth curve is?

When sailing parallel to the coast the curve will
follow the same depth.  In other words, you are
trying to maintain the same depth as you follow
the contours of the bottom.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!

From: Konrad.Koenig@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Konrad Koenig)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Radio Active Waters ?
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:14:00 -0800

Stefan ....

The issue is fifty more voyages ... yes fifty ..

Does that give you a warm feeling ???
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Engine Intake Silencers
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:09:22 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington) writes:
>              What's involved in fabricating a silencer
>and what are the chances that it will do some substantial
>good?

The principals of an intake silencer are the same as exhaust silencers
(mufflers) except... if the design is inadequate, you'll suffer a much
greater loss in power than with the typical poor muffler.  Getting the
air charge *into* the engine is more difficult because you only have
atmospheric pressure available to force induction, whereas you have
the considerable potential exhaust pressure available to force exit
of the burned charge.

Such silencers are often used in engine rooms requiring a roving watch.
A well designed induction silencer will take significant space, typically
about 1/4 to half the size of the exhaust.  The cooler gas is more compact
but you otherwise have much the same problem and where to put the beast
may cause headaches on most existing marine installations.

For your situation though, where only moderate acoustic performance
is needed, you may just "experiment".  I would try a small muffler
with openings on par with your exhaust diameter, connected via *heavy*
wire reinforced hose to the intake, being careful to fit up a flame
arrester as before.

-- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:51:05 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <18NOV199209463588@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Season's over WAHHH!) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.215451.3441@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes...
>>In <guido.722012392@sparc-3> guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci) writes:
>>>We were probably completely without headsail for only 15-20 seconds.
>> 
>>As I said, if you compare badly executed hank sail change to a well executed
>>foil change there is a real difference. Because people interested in winning
>>races invest more in practice as well as equipment Mr. Scot might be under
>>the false impression that there is a really big difference between the
>>two procedures, when the real difference was between the crews. :-).
>>Maybe I am not that stupid after all. ;-).
>> 
>>- Lauri Tarkkonen
>
>15-20 seconds is really excellent for a 35 footer, 3-5 minutes is really bad.
>However on a boat like an S2 you will immediately drop to 2 kts without a
>headsail (going upwind). Then it takes a little while to get back up to speed.
>That's probably 5-6 EXTRA boatlengths (best possible hank change vs. just ok
>foil change). In a distance race this might not be significant and in a shorter
>race there are many mistakes that could conceivably cost you more. But with a
>foil you lose so little in the change, it's great.
>
>Many boats also go much better with just a main. There is a pearson 30 in our
>Glenmar fleet who usually does pretty good changes with hanks. His crew would
>like to have a foil for sail changes. He will probably win PHRF high point for
>the whole bay, all fleets. The pearson 30 is a very forgiving boat (with a nice
>rating too) and he is a good sailor.
>

Whenever one is trying to decide whether or not a particular aspect of 
racing, either equipment or technique, is faster, i believe the best approach is
to think of it like this:  if all else is equal and i only change this 
one variable on one boat, which boat will be faster?  When condidering foil
vs. hanks, you must assume that the crew work is perfect in both cases.  
Obviously, a poorly executed maneuver will cost you no matter what equipment
is used.  in strict one design racing, we will tune our boats exactly the same
except for one aspect.  then we go out and sail close to each other to see
what effect the tuning difference has.  usually, we will swap boats and repeat
the trial to make sure the noted difference is really caused by the tuning
change and not by the skills of the helmsman and crew.


-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
T. Micheal Young  "WindRider"  H-18 13755
myoung@digi.lonestar.org
From: gal851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Geoff Latham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: soap for salt water
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:48:31 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12
Keywords: soap, lather, salt water, ecologically friendly


 Anyone know of a widely available, ecologically friendly
 soap which will lather in salt (sea)
 water? This is for personal hygiene and I intend to properly dispose
 of the suds.

 Thanks.
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Staysail for Freedom 21
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:47:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

I have just ordered from Pineapple Sails of Oakland, CA a staysail
for FELIX. This is to an official specification, and is designed to
work as an upwind sail in light to very light airs. Winter here in
the Bay is iften very light, and Redwood Creek is almost always a
long tack out -- most people motor. I have also bought the Harken 164/165
roller furling setup. This is designed for light work, but is not their
lightest hardware. I paid about $130 for the two pieces, and it looks
great. Pineapple say that they often put them on spinnaker staysails
of 50 footers, and they see gorillas use 3:1 10" winches to tighten
up the halyard -- maybe 10 times Harken's limit of 950lbs! I'm
hgaving the sail cut out of colored Dacron -- Black, in fact. Pineapple
tried to talk me out of it; they argue that the cloth is definitely
not the quality of normal undyed cloth. However, for light air applications
they agreed that there might be no more than a 10% drop in efficiency
over the best. I wanted white brcause I don't want FELIX, a cat boat, to
look like a sloop. The staysail is just an extra gizmo. They'll take about
3 weeks and I've paid them about $350, which is a lot, lot less than
North or whoever. I had met sally at the Oakland Boat Show and liked the
way she was able to pull up the Freedom 21 sails on her computer there.
Kame and Sally Richards run the place.

							Fido on FELIX
From: Konrad.Koenig@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Konrad Koenig)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Radio Active Waters ?
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:02:00 -0800

The issue is not so much nuclear arms as the the risk of poluting our
seas with a possible shipwreck from fifty more such voyages.

Would you feel comfortable about the continued global transporation of
this material... ?

The U.S. will not allow this vessel entry into its waters ... think
about it .....
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Request for Information:
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 08:51:00 -0800


 On 11-10-92 JIM SWIST wrote to ALL...

 JS> Boat insurance is very similar to car insurance in terms
 JS> of options, deductables etc.

I decided to look over my policy after reading this post.  It seems very
good -- not many exclusions, and around $250 annually for about a
$30,000 dollar boat, full coverage, medical, towing, etc. BUT.....

Listen to this line buried in the exclusions:

EXCLUSIONS
        We do not cover loss which is a result of:
  (stuff deleted)
6.    USE OF INSURED PROPERY IN ANY OFFICIAL RACE OR SPEED TEST.

Scary, huh?

Dan

... OFFLINE 1.41 * Coming soon: Netware for the Nintendo!
....


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: America's cup boats and computers (1 of several)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

And now for something a little out of the ordinary. I was thumbing through
that classic sailing magazine, "Information Technology at Work," a supplement
top Dr. Dobbs, and came across an article on computers used on some of the
America's cup boats. I'm going to post bits and pieces of this over the next
couple of days, as time permits. It's somewhat specialized stuff, but I think
enough people will find it worthwhile. Let me know what you think. The
article's
writer seems to have talked mostly to the New Zealand and Starts & Stripes
campaigns, but there's plenty of interesting stuff just from that.

Hardware trivia:

	S&S:
		On board:
		   Ockam (Z80) 
		    Grid 386 with MS-DOS, running OckamSoft 2
		On Shore:
		   Several HP vectra 486 boxes, running DOS and Windows


	New Zealand:
		On board:
		   HP 9000/380 with 32M of ram, 660 of disk,
		   mulitiple HP-95LX palmstops with serial interfaces
		   Custom serial & A/D boards for data collection
		   on board ethernet, with off-board serial-ip connection
	           to tenders and other boats during stablemate testing
		On shore:
		    5 HP 9000/380s each with 32M of ram, and an agregate of
	            1.8 gigabytes of disk.

Next: Strain gauages and multi-boat trimming

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana