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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions. Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:40:03 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <bDk+CD+@engin.umich.edu> hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert) writes:

>I've never known anyone in their lives to use a high kick effectively
>in any sudden fight/attack situation.  If they tell you they high kicked
>someonme during a panic fight, they are either lying, or the attacker
>was brain dead and just stood there.  Initially, you will not react with
>a roundhouse to the head.  Rather, you'll try to get into a good defensive
>and start with punches and low kicks to the knees/shins.  

Yes.  Use a low kick to the leg.  Use pain to distract and open them up, to 
maybe draw their attention away from what your hands are doing! 
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From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:17:15 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr3.175512.27740@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen North> 
> Ah yes patchless.  I have a problem.  The master in his finite wisdom
> has decided that he wants all instructors to wear a patch.  The patch
> says "black belt club".  I have always secretly laughed at people
> who wear black belt club patches and now I am supposed to sew one on.
> Oh well, this is a case where I need to start procrastinating as
> soon as possible.

I too was one to laugh at the highly decorated uniforms worn in some styles of
martial arts.  The traditionalists belived that a plain white Gi signified the
lack of ego; selflessness.  Now with comertialism and instructors who's income
is only from the dojo, patches and other money-making extras are 'less' frowned
upon.  My Gi of choice is the Tokiado.  It is long-lasting, has that instant
feedback for good technique (the loud snap), and is soft enough to be
comfortable after only a month of training in it.  I find that they shrink to
fit your body... very nice, but even they come with little patches with the
Japan Karate Association emblem on 'em.  They get the honor of placement on my
shelf, not the honor of training with me and my Gi.  I support my karate
association 100%, just as I support people who belive the sun will rise
tomorrow, but I don't have that stamped on a shirt (to sell to my students at
150% profit).

douglas lampi

lampij@brandonu.ca
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 09:04:03 EDT
From: <JET3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: Black Belt (not what you think)

Off and on i will read this newsgroup....my response to the above subject
is that it is not the belt that defines the person, but the person that
defines the belt.  Black belt/Sensei are teachers.  What is a teacher
without a student?  Both depend on each other.

It is up to the student to choose their Sensei wisely, and the Sensei
to choose their students wisely.

In the end, I think I would define the Black belt/student as one who
seeks the way of the warrior - budo.
====================================================================

Jean Thompson  Isshinryu Nidan
               Penn State Karate Club
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Aikido teaching styles
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:25:08 GMT

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:

>>the same way as there are students of Chiba Sensei who teach nothing but a
>>rather brutal form of "wrestling" 

>  Now that you mention it, I probably shouldn't be using Chiba's name 
>  without having first-hand experience with him.  He'll be at a seminar
>  in Northhampton MA in Sept., I'll probably go.  I may discover that his
>  Aikido is not at all what I like . . to "external" ;-)
>  

>  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
>  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University

Ted, please _do_ go to train with Chiba Sensei.  I think you'll find it
an eye-opener.  His aikido is very deep and not IMO "too external" at
all.  Weapons practice, in particular, is extraordinary.

--Jeff Frane
  Multnomah Aikikai

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From: bill@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Bill Ferreira)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Vision
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:44:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England


	When sparring I focus my attention on the centre of my opponent,
relying on my peripheral vision to catch any movement, thus I am able
to watch the "whole" of my opponent, instead of just arms, legs etc.
This is with my glasses on, which is awkward.
My problem is that my vision is variously blurred without my glasses
(due to astigmatism) and so I tend to focus on one point clearly 
to the exclusion of other points, and I get clobbered by missing
attacking moves by split seconds. Any advice? (without suggesting
contact lenses).

Thanks in advance

-- 
Bill Ferreira (bill@uk.ac.warwick.dcs)
Dept. of Computer Science,
University of Warwick,
Coventry CV4 7AL, ENGLAND.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce flame
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:22:04 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <ACEVEDO.92Apr13082303@air-traffic-controller.mit.edu>, acevedo@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr13.03939.4115@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
|> 
|>     Wait!!! Wait!!!!
|> 
|>     The Scene: A large, well lit ballroom.  
|> 
|>     Fred Astair: 'I'm dancing in the rain, just dancing in the rain,
|> 		  what a wonderfull feeling, I'm smiling again....'
|> 	  Fred breaks in a tapdance:
|> 
|> 	  Tip tip tip tap tappity tappity tap.
|> 
|> Actually, if this is supposed to be from "Singing in the Rain", it's
|> Grace Kelly (sp?), I believe, singing "I'm singing in the rain..."

It is Gene, not Grace.  Grace was not even a dancer.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
the hapa haole
(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)














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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:04:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.020455.17544
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

In article <MARY.92Apr6092536@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:

>My doboks are cotton, so they don't go in the dryer, so I gotta iron them.
>
>My sensei washes his and throws it in the dryer, then pulls it out and 
>folds it immediately.  He claims this works because it's permanent 
>press, and that as mine is also permanent press, I can do the same.
>My personal opinion is that he secretly spent about 20 years practicing
>origami-do, and that I'm more likely to end up, as Stephen Chan once
>said, "wearing a big black amoeba."  I think, when it becomes necessary, 
>I'll either look for the best dry-cleaner in town, or summon my 
>courage and try the washer-dryer-permanent-press method. 
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mary Malmros     | Cayman Systems Inc, 26 Landsdowne St, Cambridge, MA 02139
> mary@cayman.com  | Phone 617-494-1999  Fax 617-494-5167  AppleLink CAYMAN.TECH

	waitaminit...are we talking dobok or hakama here? if dobok (what is a
dobok?), how does it apply to hakama; if hakama, what is mary doing wearing an
hakama? i though tkd people wore a gi (heh heh, a GI)...so what is the deal
mary? moonlighting in an aikido dojo are we :^)?

m.a.
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:04:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr15.160420.14067
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:

>	Things which you have read in a book somewhere, or last
>month's lead article in "Black Belt" are kind of marginal credentials
>for making declarations. 

If the book is written by an accepted expert in the art, and the discussion
centers on what is written, I see no reason it can't be discussed.  
And discussing "Black Belt" has it's place as humor.

>Sparring non Dan ranked guys from other
>styles is also kind of marginal for making generalizations. Even
>sparring dan ranked students might still be fishy, depending on the
                                             ^^^^^

Now you've gone and done it.

>school/organization awarding the rank.

Again, if the basis for discussion is fairly represented this should be OK.
If I say, "I sparred a guy who's been training in Meikdo for three weeks, and 
I broke his arm but he got my wallet" then this is reasonable.  If I say
"I sparred a (your style here) guy and since I walked away all your 
techniques and theories are crap" then it's a little different.

-gb-
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Reps
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:34:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: danzan.ebay.sun.com


The book is still available in paperback. See your
local bookdealer. It's readily available.


--
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Bruce flame
Keywords: request for proof/documentation....
    <1992Apr13.025331.11539@eng.umd.edu> 
    <1992Apr13.034939.6557@psych.psy.uq.oz.au>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:39:39 GMT
X-Bytes: 

 Wait!!! Wait!!!!

 The Scene: A large, well lit ballroom.  

 Fred Astair: 'I'm dancing in the rain, just dancing in the rain,
	       what a wonderfull feeling, I'm smiling again....'
       Fred breaks in a tapdance:

       Tip tip tip tap tappity tappity tap.

Suddenly, as Fred continues his girations, a spare figure dressed
from head to toe in black drops from the chandelier, landing in a
ninja-like pose....



-- 
Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
************************| Then you are probably better than most people!
U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD?  from _The book of the SubGenius_
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Reps
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:16:06 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.182810.26860@sequent.com> akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler) writes:
>
>I recommend "Zen and the Ways", Trevor Legett, Shambala Press. Sane
>presentation of Zen-for-warriors.
>

I second the motion. Great book.

Steve
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:04:05 GMT

In article <dd50498@pro-haven.cts.com>, warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin) writes:
> In <12417@auspex-gw.auspex.com> bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
> 
> % In article <1992Apr10.110614.765@gacvx2.gac.edu>, karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:
> % > Which martial artists do you consider to be exemplary fighters?
> % 	Jeff Cooper
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>         Is this the same Jeff Cooper that starred in _Circle of Iron_ with
>         David Carradine?!?  

	No - I was referring to Col. Jeff Cooper.  He's never been in any
movies that I am aware of, though he may have done some training films.



-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Organization: University of Utah
	<JON.92Apr16102808@zeus.med.utah.edu> <1992Apr16.141427.1@gallua>
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:16:05

In article <1992Apr16.141427.1@gallua> CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:

   What I got, for most of the two-hundred postings I read, was a far cry from 
   anything resembling information for a beginner.  Most of it appeared to revolve 
   around: "Oh yeah?  Well, I studied thus-and-such, and I'll whup your pansy ass 
   any day!" or "What do you mean, philosophy?  I'm doing this because it's a war 
   zone outside my door.  Kill or be killed." or "Bruce is the greatest", "No he's
   not", "Yes he is", "I came here for an argument". 

what you got sucked, but what did the rest of us get?  in my mind, i
got a self-righteous tongue lashing from someone who hasn't
contributed squat to this newsgroup.  what did you expect the response
to be?  did you think we would humbly thank you for your ad hominem
attack on those of us who do contribute?

if you had asked an intelligent question, like "how can i become an
informed consumer of martial arts training?," and you had been flamed,
you would be justified in retaliating against those who flamed you.
instead, you proclaimed 'this newsgroup sucks!', without giving us a
chance to hear your question.  this is not the type of behavior that
will earn you the respect and good will of any group of people.

   I'm sorry if I offended any of you, but that's honestly the impression I got 
   from the majority of postings I read yesterday.  That was the first time that I 
   had checked out the newsgroup, although I've been a long-time regular on some 
   of the professional interest lists.

   In any case, I think I will follow the advice given by several people here, and
   ignore this newsgroup to go find some *REAL* students and teachers. 

this last comment makes your apology sound completely insincere.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:34:31 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <953H?6!m6@cs.psu.edu> liblit@cs.psu.edu (Benjamin R. Liblit) writes:

>In article <5381@hsi86.hsi.com> mallon@hsi86.hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
>>
>>On a related note, has anyone noticed that certain people seem to get
>>smacked in the groin more than others?

>Actually, I've observed the flip side of this.  There used to be a
>woman in my dojang who the guys all hated to spar.  She was guaranteed
>to plant a kick right in your groin, every time.  You were scared of
>her if you were wearing a cup, and didn't go *near* her if you weren't.

The worst was one evening when we were doing basics.  A relatively new belt
was opposite me.  She was much smaller.  We were supposed to both kick off
the back leg mawashi, she kicked off the front leg.  I had been trying to 
practice chambering the leg as high as possible......ouch.  My leg was out
to the side and high, ....... ouch.  
--
         ______________________________________________________________
	|  A.G. Williams          |        Plus qu'il n'en faut.       |    
	|  willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie  |                                    |
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From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: Vision
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:18:36 GMT

bill@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Bill Ferreira) writes:

>	When sparring I focus my attention on the centre of my opponent,
>relying on my peripheral vision to catch any movement, thus I am able
>to watch the "whole" of my opponent, instead of just arms, legs etc.
>This is with my glasses on, which is awkward.
>My problem is that my vision is variously blurred without my glasses
>(due to astigmatism) and so I tend to focus on one point clearly 
>to the exclusion of other points, and I get clobbered by missing
>attacking moves by split seconds. Any advice? (without suggesting
>contact lenses).

	Try watching your opponent's face.  This may help you pick up
enough subtle telegraphy to overcome your vision problems, and you 
might find your peripheral vision is not as bad as you think.  Tunnel
vision often has more to do with mental than physical limitations
(so practice helps).  (He says from his comfy chair :^)  How is your
vision without glasses?  The fact that you're wearing them may tend to
focus your attention within a smaller area.  If you can see moderately
well without them then try taking them off and then watch your 
opponent's face while you spar.

	There is no guarantee that this advice will do you any good
at all, but I for one would be interested in knowing of any success
or failure.  If you give it a reasonable try then please post any
results.

>Thanks in advance

	Just let us know how it works out,

		Barry.

 _____________________________________________________________________
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Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 20:47:03 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: have you heard of...
	<ku67gtINN5h3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>

rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master) writes:
>     IMHO, cop type training is usually not as good as the detailed
>     martial arts training upon which it is often based.  And it's expensive
>     to boot.

	I read an article recently about Police Training, and one San
Soo instructor in CA said that police tactics were often "watered
down" versions of the original brutal MA techniques. He then made the
comparison to prescription drugs - if you take less than the
prescribed dosage, it probably won't work, and it may end up making
things worse.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:28:45 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr14.224516.2643@leland.Stanford.EDU>, sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:
> Note that as a martial artist, 
> in many jurisdictions there are special laws that pertain to your behavior, 
> especially if it can be argued that you started the fight.  

	Interesting - can you provide any references for this?  None of the
state penal codes I am familiar with make any distinction between a martial
artist and and untrained person.  Nonetheless, I've often heard statements
to this effect.

	Now, certainly you have to be careful to keep the level of force you
use in the "reasonable" zone, for both criminal and civil reasons.

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.141248.3177@brtph560.bnr.ca>, @brtph115.bnr.ca (Meryl W. Freeman) writes:

>...with different styles that I've travelled to in the last 9 years,
>there's a lot of talk about energy, connection with universal energy and
>spirit, and connection and cooperation with others (and not just Ki Society...
>in fact, one dojo I visited in Florida had very hard, effective Aikido...
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	out of curiosity, which one was it?

>
>Meryl Freeman
>
>
>_____________________________
>Sorry, no e-mail. Please post.


-mukund acharya
From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Black belt.  In one Year.
Date: 3 Apr 92 20:52:45 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada


The rank of Black Belt.

I like to compare the rank of black belt, and the stages of learning a martial
art, to walking.  As a baby you begin to roll over and sit up.  This can be
compared to your first few karate lessons.  Your motivation to want to walk
comes from watching your instructor.  Your first few junior belts can be
likened t crawling, or standing alongside the coffee table.  When you take your
first feww steps, you are unstable and unsure, even somewhat afraid.  As son as
you get some skill in walking, of course, you try to run.  Just as it takes a
child up to ten or twelve years to be able to run at full speed without
tripping or running to fast for their feet, so to is the martial artist
limitted to several years of getting to know their own bodies limitations.

I believe the rank of Shodan (black belt) is the beginning of your martial arts
life.  Just as one isn't prepared to be a doctor untill they have graduated, a
martial artist doesn't even begin gathering experience until they have earned
their first degree.

The belt around your hips has never been a true measure of ability or fitness,
but was introduced as a means of determining expereince in life, which can only
be gathered over a period of time.

If one instructor wishes to grant his students the tytle of black belt after
only one year's training, so be it.  The instructor is judged by his students
conduct, and not by how well they can wiggle their arms and legs.

A master of the martial arts is nessecarily very capable in the realm of
physical techniques.  They understand their own body as well as the functioning
of the human body in general, which permits them to know their opponents
movements.  A master can be physically compared to an olympic athlete in their
total understanding of their body's limitations and strengths.  But as everyone
has read and heard and been told over and over again, a true students does not
train to get anywhere.  The pleasure is in the training, not the achievment,
not the rank, and certainly not the color of belt holding your uniform closed.
A master should be respected just as a body builder should be, if they lift
weights for fittness, self improvement, and for a lifetime.  The biggest body
builder on earth can earn no respect if he expects it or worse yet, i he
demands it....

Douglas Lampi 

Lampij@brandonu.ca
  
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