From: sl@ccd.harris.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: Armageddon NOW! 
Organization: Advanced Technology Department, Harris Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.183454.8609@news.eng.convex.com>, swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr2.162318.10323@trantor.harris-atd.com> sl@ccd.harris.com (Scott Linn) writes:
|>                               [...]
|> >     Secondly, Wilson speaks of the problem of Determinism.
|> >Premillennialists "have expected and condoned anti-Semitic
|> >behavior because it was prophesied by Jesus.  Their consent 
|> >(even though given while spewing pro-Zionism out the other
|> >side of their mouths) makes them blameworthy with regard to
|> >American as well as Nazi and Soviet anti-Semitism.  Neither 
|> >as a body nor as individuals has their cry against such
|> >inhumanity been more than a whimper.
|>                               [...]
|> This is pure balderdash.
|> 
     If only this were true, Mr. Warren.  If only this were
true.  The history of twentieth century premillenialism is
quite different.  I will now quote several of the people 
that Wilson cites.  The first page reference will be to
_Armaggedon Now!_ the second will be for the citation itself.

      As to expecting anti-semitism:

     "the Gentile nations are permitted to afflict Israel in
chastisement for her national sins, but invariably retribution
falls upon them." p. 16  C. I. Scofild ed., _The Scofield Reference
Bible_ (New York:  Oxford University Press, 1909). Is. 10:12n

     "[Israel has failed, s/l] to be a faithful witness to Jehovah
before the nations of the earth, and in consequence, is suffering
the dispersion and the persecution which, alas! we know about
today." p.34 James M. Grey, dean of Chicago's Moody Bible
Institute, _Great Epochs of Sacred History, (New York:
Fleming H. Revell, 1910) p. 107.

      I would assume that a theology that interprets "generation"
as "race" would continue to see persecution of the Jewish race
as a fulfillment of prophecy.

     As to condoning anti-semitism:

     "The ringleaders of the worst gang in New York City were
nearly all Jews. It seems apostate, infidel Jews are everywhere
more or less connected with anarchy, especially in Russia."
p. 55 no author, no article title, _Our Hope_, XXVI (1919-1920),
p. 414.

     "The Jewish race is morally fully capable of doing all that
is charged against it.  It is at present rejected of God, and 
in a state of disobedience and rebellion . . . .
     As a race Jews are gifted far beyond all other peoples,
and even in their ruin, with the curse of God upon them, 
are in the front rank of achievement; but accompanying traits
are pride, overbearing arrogance, inordinate love for ma-
terial things, trickery, rudeness and an egotism that taxes 
the superlatives of any language.  Oppressed are they?  Indeed,
and subject to injustice more than any other race, and yet
never learning the lesson of true humility . . . .
     These cheap adulations [of editors, ministers, and poli-
ticians] are usually based on no better foundations than
self-interest, for the unregenerate jew usually has a very
unattractive personality.  There is a reason for his being
persona non grata at resorts and in the best society; who
can deny it."  p. 76 Charles Cook "The International Jew:
A Summary of the Recent Articles Concerning the Jews; With
Some Scriptural Light," _The King's Business_, XII (November,
1921), p. 1088.

     General European anti-semitism was called "Foregleams
of Israel's Tribulation." Yuck

     As Hitler began his persecution of the Jews, _Evangel_
magazine wrote "The next scene in Israel's history may be
summed up in three words:  purification through tribulation."
p.94 February 24, 1934, p. 5.

     Louis S. Bauman, in the same year, wrote the following book
with the terrifying title _Shirts and Sheets: or Anti-Semitism,
a Present Day Sign of the First Magnitude_ (Long Beach, Ca:  
Louis S. Bauman)

     The poem by R. H. McCartney which Bauman quotes in his
book is entitled "Hands Off." It is too long to quote here,
but Wilson's words are significant.  "The irony of the 'Hands
Off' attitude was that it resulted in closing the eyes or looking
the other way as the German 'final solution' of Jewish extermination
developed.  Pleas from Europe for assistance for jewish refugees
fell on deaf ears, and 'Hands Off' meant no helping hand." pp 96-97.

     Wilson shows how many of the pre-mils of that day
accepted as fact the repugnant forgery called _The Protocal
Of the Elders of Zion_.  Here is one well-know author. 

    "a painstaking and deeper study of the Protocols
compared with present day world conditions, must lead, and does
lead, to the conviction, that the plan of the Protocols, whoever
concocted it, is not a _crude forgery_.  Behind it are hidden,
unseen actors, powerful and cunning, who follow the plan still,
bent on the overthrow of our Civilization." p. 97 Arno C. 
Gaeblein _The Conflict of the Ages:  The Mystery of Lawlessness:
Its Origin, Historic Development and Coming Defeat_ (New York:
Pulication Office _Our Hope_, 1933), p. 100 

    Again to quote Wilson, "So in spite of being theologically
more pro-jewish than any other Christian group, the premillenarians
also were apathetic - because of a residual anti-Semitism, because
persecution was prophetically expected, because it would encourage
immigration to Palestine, because it seemed the beginning of 
the Great Tribulation, and because it was a wonderful sign of
the imminent blessed hope." p. 97

|> Anyone who even hinted at condoning or even remaining
|> inactive in the face of anti-Semitism in any of the
|> pre-mill oriented congregations I've been associated
|> with would be considered a pariah.

     I'm glad that this is the case.  I would think with
Jews back in Israel there would not be the pragmatic need
for persecution to drive them there.  On the other hand,
you all, I think, still believe that the Jews are going
to take a horrible beating in the Tribulation.  Walvoord's
_Prophecy Knowledge Handbook_ on page 3?3 says two thirds of
the Jews will die.  Won't there be some foregleams of that?
  
|> 
|> . . . anti-Semitic tendencies are not strictly
|> limited to the post-mill camp . . . 

      Please expand on this.
|> 
|> As far as dispensational premillenialism, that is a
|> wind of doctrine.  I am not worried or concerned
|> about a book that points out the excesses and
|> failings of dispensational premillenialism, in fact I
|> applaud it, as long as it is accurate and fair,
|> rather than resorting to mud-slinging and ad-hominim
|> attacks like this.

     It was my inference.  Wilson just speaks of
premillenarians, he does not distinguish the
dispies.  I reiterate, he is one of your own.
He is a pre-mil.  He wrote your and his history.
There is no ad-hominim here that I can see.

     I am aware of only two groups of pre-mils:
dispies and historic.  I know of no historical
historic authors that find Israel so central to there
eschatology.  Could you list a few for me.  The
dispies, on the other hand, make the same 
interpretations as the pre-mils that I have seen on 
the net.  You all pass the duck test. :-)
  
|> 
|> As far as determinism, I believe that both the
|> Calvinists and the Armenians are right.   ;^)
|>

    I don't like Wilson's use of the term determinism 
either.  But, that thread has already been carried out
from here. 

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