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From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: Topfree news
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:06:09 GMT

In article <1goaguINN9l5@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>In article <> stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes) writes:
>-I thought you might be interested in this article.
>
>You were correct.
>
>-BARE BREASTS WILL NOT LEAD TO MORAL DECAY, TRIAL TOLD
>
>
>Are there any updates on this?  If hte trial was in November this case
>should be decided by now, what was the decision?  Anyone know?
>
>-- 
>Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization

The trial was put over to December 14th and I haven't heard what happened.
I guess I've been too busy with Christmas shopping (and shoveling out of
this huge snowstorm).  I will investigate and post a followup.



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: nabell@concert.net (Jeanette Nabell Edmundson)
Subject: Masters in Washington?
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: MCNC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:09:29 GMT

Will someone please send me information
concerning masters teams, practice
times and locations for Pullman, Washington
or surrounding areas?

Thanks,

Jeanette Edmundson
nabell@concert.net
919-248-1944
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Organization: Boeing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:10:22 GMT

jonesk@ur.msstate.edu writes:

>Do you have to have a prescription for Eucerin? I've not seen
>it in stores, but then I haven't been looking, either.

Eucerin is widely available without a prescription . . . You can usually find
it with the other lotions and creams . . . If you can't find it, check with
a pharmacist . . . They may have it located somewhere different . . . It's
really good stuff . . . No fragrance, either . . . (Frangrance tends to be
drying to the skin . . . It's also not great for those of us that are allergic
to many/most fragrances)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:38:56 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   10 Dec 92 19:30:44 GMT
>FROM:   Lib <lib@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>
>  
>I'm new to swimming and find that lately my skin has been very dry.

I use "Eucerin" lotion -- slather it on the parts that itch, after every 
shower (not just after swimming). Seems to help.

--Michael Smith

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:34:34 GMT

Do you have to have a prescription for Eucerin? I've not seen
it in stores, but then I haven't been looking, either.

Kay Jones
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Streamliner Hand Paddles
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:39:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Does anybody if there is a major difference between the Speedo handpaddles
and the streamliner hand paddle.  Does anybody have a pair of streamliners,
how do you like?  And what is the purpose of not having the wrist strap 
compared to the speedo handpaddle.

gee thanx

Dave

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,rec.sport.olympics
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re: Summer Sanders
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:58:57 GMT

In article <yvonne.724372977@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>In <1gj1h1INN195@agate.berkeley.edu> dth@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Ho) writes:
>
>>I was wondering if anyone knows the whereabouts of U.S. Olympic swimmer Summer
>>Sanders these days?
>
>
>
>I think Summer's still in school, but just not competing with the team. NCAA rule

Summer's still in school, and even swims every once and a while ... but she's
getting out of shape.        
-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Diving and Swimming
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:51:49 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Although not swimming per se, I want to bring up Diving for a moment (if 
only to get away from (Re: More Turn Questions.)  The Iowa State High 
School Athletic Administration is planning on eliminating diving as a sport 
after the 1993-4 boy's season.

From a swimmer's perspective, it's nice to see the divers go.  We won't 
have them on our backs any longer (literally) plus it will speed up meets a 
great deal.  Unfortunately, the ISHAA seems to ignore that most diving 
accidents actually occur in the shallow end of the pool off the 
side/blocks, etc.  And it's a shame to see student/athletes prohibited from 
pursuing athletics and the dedication, discipline, and thrills that 
accompany it.  As much as I really don't care for diving I would hate to 
see it go so I'm hunting down some addresses to write to so show support 
for the continued official sanctioning of diving and I urge you to do so 
also, because first diving, next it could be another non-revenue sport that 
is nearer to our heart.  THe NCAA is already looking at Waterpolo, and if I 
remember correctly is looking at separating Diving and Swimming (can anyone 
verify this?)  I know our school is having a hard time justifying keeping 
swimming and diving much less a diving team alone and I'm sure other 
schools are in the same pool--so to speak (ooh, stop the PUNishment.)

Swimmers are used to looking at long term goals and I think 
looking we should take a look at the long term future of our sport.

Greg Earhart					Boys Play Basketball
Buena Vista College				Men Wrestle
earhartgregm@bvc.edu				Only ANIMALS Swim!!!
						(And divers just score.)
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From: dth@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Summer Sanders
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:23:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.234.16

I was wondering if anyone knows the whereabouts of U.S. Olympic swimmer Summer
Sanders these days?


-- 
--
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dth@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: More turn questions
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:32:48 -0500
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <WLIM.92Dec5141241@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>, wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim) writes:
> 1) Back(?) flip turn:
> The first time, I see the back flip turn for the back stroke was in
> the Summer '92 Olympics.  It looks kind of neat (and I like it better
> than the spin turn which I had been using previously), so I taught
> myself how to do it but am sure if I have the right technique.  The
> way I do it is to approach the wall like I would with the spin turn.
> Then just as my hand touches the wall, I would bring the other up to
> touch the wall, tuck my head under water, bend my body and then bring
> my legs up to touch the wall with the toes of my feet for the kick
> off.  I also use the hands to help me spin my body over (warning: you
> can get cuts on your hands if the wall is rough).  Is this technique
> correct?  Suggestions for improvements?

I assume that you are talking about the new backstroke turn.  You do not even
have to touch the wall with your hand with the new turn.  In the new turn, you
approach the wall on your back. Then, with only one arm pull, you can flip over
onto your stomach and do a normal free-style flip turn, but pushing off the
wall on your back.  You are not allowed to take another stroke after you are on
your stomach and you cannot kick while you are on your stomach.  The momentum
that you build up before reaching the wall should be able to carry you close
enough.



> 
> 2) Turns for the breast stroke:
> 
> For the breast stroke turn (what is the name for the turn?) I think I
> am doing something wrong.  I tend to put my fingers on the top of the
> wall (the ground-level side of the pool), lift my body a little, then
> turn and "dive" back into the water while "flinging" with my right
> hand over my head into the water (sort of like trying to "cut" into
> the water with my palm).  I suspect that I am not supposed to touch
> the top of the wall and pull up as I turn.  Rather I should touch the
> side of the wall and then turn.  But this is harder to do, hence I
> would like to know what the correct technique before I work my butt
> off :-) on getting my turn technique right.
> 
> 
	Um. yeah you are doing something wrong.  YOu touch the wall with both
hands first.  Then, act like you are jabbing someone that is behind you with
one elbow and bring the other hand right past your head.  while you are bringin
the hand past your head, throw your head back.  This causes the hand to come
over the water and converge with the hand that you jabbed back into the
streamline position and then you are able to push off the wall easier. 

> 3) Turn for the butterfly stroke (just out curiousity)
> 
> Is the turn for the butterfly the same as that for the breast stroke?
> 
> 
	Yes.
	John Rule 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Swim paddles vs gloves, and fins
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:21:22 GMT

Two posts in a row....I must be feeling excessive today....

Paddles vs gloves:
I've seen these Speedo neoprene swim gloves in the local sporting goods
stores - the ones with the set of small plastic coated weights.  How do
these compare to the standard plastic hand paddles?

I would think that the additional muscle stress that these devices could
cause would be considerable.  So I plan to ease into their use gradually -
any pointers on their use?

Fins:
My only pair of fins are a pair of diving fins (huge reinforced blades,
etc...) that make swimming laps in the pool a breeze.  Too much so, I'm
afraid - I can kick in them forever without getting much of a workout.  So
I visited the store (where I saw the gloves) and started looking around. The
sales guy steered me over to these new fins that they have - "The hottest
thing amongst the triatheletes and competitive swimmers", he told me
(hopefully he is skilled enough in fitness to tell at a single glance that
I am obviously not a member of either group).  I'm afraid that I don't
remember the brand name - they have neoprene boots with velcro straps to 
hold the fin steady. The blade is very short (esp. compared to diving fins)
and rather narrow - perhaps only 1/3 - 1/2 the length of the foot and only
about 1 - 2 times as wide at the widest point.  They felt as though they
would be very comfortable.  Unfortunately they were also about $60 - a bit
more than I wanted to spend.

Finally, my question:  These seem to be overkill for a 3-4x a week fitness
swimmer.  Any suggestions as to less expensive full foot fins that I should
try?  Or are these $60 fins really worth it?

Thanks-
  Tom

-- 
Tom Johnson             "They say Confucious does his crossword with a pen."
tj@cs.ucla.edu                               -Tori Amos
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: kporterf@scott.skidmore.edu (Kevin S. Porterfield)
Subject: UH OH!
Organization: Department of Math and Computer Science, Skidmore
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:54:50 GMT

	Uh oh, did I miss something. I seem to remember somebody saying that 
the U.S. Open is usually on TV in late Nov or early Dec. Did I miss it, or 
any other swimming on TV? If I did I'll be pretty bummed. Let me know if 
there's still hope.

-KSP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: tolar@akchin.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar)
Subject: Re: More turn questions
Reply-To: tolar@akchin.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:35:59 GMT

In article 7761@walter.bellcore.com, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.203538.19512@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, tolar@akchin.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar) writes:
>|> 
>|> OBRule Quiz:  Can anyone out there tell me under what conditions the old touch rule still applies when swimming the backstroke?
>|> 
>|> 
>
>How about during the back-to-breast transition in IM, where that
>particular turn is to be treated the same as the finish of a backstroke
>race?  (It's actually not a turn, but a finish, I think).

Give that man (person) a cigar!  Except of course in High School meets, wherein the NFSHSA has decided that the transition touches are turns instead of finishes.

jt



Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: pan@lurch.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan)
Subject: Recommendations sought for books on swimming technique
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:42:15

I'm interested in improving my freestyle technique and possibly other
strokes as well.  I looked at the following books:

    1) Counsilman, The Science of Swimming, very good, but out of print
    2) Thomas, Advanced Swimming, seems superficial
    3) Kampmann, Competitive Swimming, looks good (other opinions?)

Would like to hear about your favorite books on swimming techniques.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Watches, lap counters
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:11:15 GMT


As I've been getting more and more into serious lap swimming, my gadget
loving side has been feeling a little bit neglected.

What I would really like is some sort of "SuperSwimming Watch" (tm) that
might combine a lap counter, timer, and pulse meter (though the last is not
really essential).

Does anyone make something like this?

Features I'd like to see:
	Convenient lap button - A really big button that's easy to hit
	  to minimize the break in form while swimming.
	Easily set count-down timer - for interval training.
	Rugged construction - I'm really rough on watches.


Any recommendations?

Tom

-- 
Tom Johnson             "They say Confucious does his crossword with a pen."
tj@cs.ucla.edu                               -Tori Amos
From: jsd@esl.com (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:34:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
Organization: ESL Inc., S'vale CA

In article <1992Dec14.154713.29709@bnr.ca>, labelle@crchh341.BNR.CA (Peter
LaBelle) wrote:
> 
> I had a similiar experience.  I used the moisturizing soap sold
> by ULTRA SWIM to remove chlorine and get rid of pool itch.
> I no longer get itchy (and I swim 25k some weeks).

I missed the orig. post, but I mix cheap-o brand lotion watered 
down (ie. lotion in one hand, water in other hand, put hands 
together, then apply) and it gets rid of the itch and dry skin, 
but doesn't do a thing about the chlorine.

--
Jeff Dalton, ESL Inc., S'vale CA
jsd@esl.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle)
Subject: U.S. Open on Cable
Originator: jpringle@everest
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:58:19 GMT

I am not sure of the specifics, but I thought I noticed the
U.S. Open in the T.V. listings.  I think it is scheduled to
be on TBS this Saturday evening (but I may be wrong).  Check
your local listings.

Hope this helps.


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From: slp9k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swim paddles vs gloves, and fins
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:18:13 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec17.232122.1888@cs.ucla.edu>, tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:
> Fins:
> My only pair of fins are a pair of diving fins (huge reinforced blades,
> etc...) that make swimming laps in the pool a breeze.  Too much so, I'm
> afraid - I can kick in them forever without getting much of a workout.  So
> I visited the store (where I saw the gloves) and started looking around. The
> sales guy steered me over to these new fins that they have - "The hottest
> thing amongst the triatheletes and competitive swimmers", he told me
> (hopefully he is skilled enough in fitness to tell at a single glance that
> I am obviously not a member of either group).  I'm afraid that I don't
> remember the brand name - they have neoprene boots with velcro straps to 
> hold the fin steady. The blade is very short (esp. compared to diving fins)
> and rather narrow - perhaps only 1/3 - 1/2 the length of the foot and only
> about 1 - 2 times as wide at the widest point.  They felt as though they
> would be very comfortable.  Unfortunately they were also about $60 - a bit
> more than I wanted to spend.

	Pick up a pair of regular swimming fins (not the big diving
fins... in the sense that they have no reinforcement) for $20-30 and then 
cut the fin off about 1-1/2 to 2 inches away from the end of the toe.  These
work well... I've used them for about 2 years.  It really makes your leg
muscles work.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,rec.sport.olympics
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Summer Sanders
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:42:57 GMT

In <1gj1h1INN195@agate.berkeley.edu> dth@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Ho) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone knows the whereabouts of U.S. Olympic swimmer Summer
>Sanders these days?



I think Summer's still in school, but just not competing with the team. NCAA rules
make it very unattractive for an Olympic calibre swimmer to stay in collegiate
competition, even though these athletes tend to be pretty good students.

She marched in the parade of Olympians a few  months ago.
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From: daveh@frackit.UUCP (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Need Dual Meet Software
Keywords: Inexpensive Meet Software
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:11:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: Esoteric Tribble Factory, Harrisburg, PA

I keep the records for an age group competitive swim team in Central
Pennsylvania on a 386SX-16 MSDOS machine.  I am in need of software from
dual swim meets that would print results and award labels.  My team does
not have an electronic timing system, so we use finish judges instead of
times to place the swimmers.  This often results in swimmers getting a
better place than another swimmer with a faster average watch time.  I
need software that would allow me to enter place as well as time.  This
is not a wealthy team, so we can't afford commercial software like Meet
Manager.  I am looking for shareware or other inexpensive solutions.  I
have a copy of Swim Meet 3.19 from Lab Associates in Connecticut.  This
program is designed for USS meets and does everything I need except it
assigns places strictly on time.  Since we won't have the $10k+ for a
timing system anytime soon, I would appreciate any suggestions.

Dave Hultberg, Navy Swim Club of Greater Harrisburg

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimmer's shoulder
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:33:54 -0500
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <WLIM.92Dec5141807@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>, wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim) writes:
> If I swim strenously (e.g. fast front crawl pulling or the butterfly),
> my right shoulder would hurt.  I gave up on the butterfly because of
> this.
> 
> Any advice on how I can strengthen my shoulder(s)?  I would like to
> strengthen them to the point of being able to do some continous (2 to
> 4) laps of the butterfly.
> 
> 
> 
> Willie

Yeah stretch stretch stretch.  Also, start using weights.  They tend to help.

	John
From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Streamliner Hand Paddles
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:02:33 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1gnpkkINNs95@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
> what is the purpose of not having the wrist strap 
> compared to the speedo handpaddle.

This forces you to finish your stroke properly.  With a wrist strap you can 
fail to finish your stroke and still not lose the paddle.  Try doing it 
with only strap around the middle finger and the pain of hyperextending 
your finger (which will happen if you don't finish) will teach you real 
quickly to finish.

To further improve the use of hand paddles, try pulling the strapps all the 
way through so the paddle is flat on one side and has two long ends on the 
other.  Then place your hand against the latter side, squeezing the straps 
between your fingers.  This way you can't rely upon the straps to keep the 
paddle in place.  Then try to swim.  This will force you to search for more 
water per stroke because if you don't get good hand pitch, and a good 
scull, insweep, upsweep and finish, the paddle will fall off.  Also, don't 
cheat by curling your fingers around the side of the paddle.  It might take 
some time, but better strokes are guaranteed if you use the "Naked paddle 
drill."

Greg Earhart					Boys play basketball,
Buena Vista College				Men Wrestle,
Storm Lake, IA  				Only ANIMALS Swim!!!
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:38:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Swimmer's shoulder
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA