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From: shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:23:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.054047.5570@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>[leaflet written by Scott Horne and etc. according to Scott Horne, where it
> is stated:
>  1. Tibetans lamas aim to return theocracy in Tibet.
>  2. That Tibet was part of China for seven hundred years, that Tibet was
>     not the target of Chinese communist invasion.
>  3. Dalai Lama's human rights stand is hypocritical since in Tibet
>    own slaves who are treated inhumanely.  High taxes charged (??).
>  4. The Dalai Lama is preaching a racist, anti-Chinese message.
>  5. His r\'egime was a corrupt one.  His present campaign resorts to outright
>  6. The US government has always treated Tibet as part of China. etc etc]

What I find incredible is that this person Scott Horne writes it and
goes around distributing half lies as truths.  A perfect example of a 
propagadist of dying ideology of People's Republic of China?

Funniest of all is #6 where Scott Horne quote the U.S. government as 
supporter of Chinese presence in Tibet!!!  Marriage of convenience generates
unbelievable situations: hey, the U.S. government is such that its vice
president once 'stated' 'we have vital interest in that part of the
country' while referring to Latin America, I mean, that is the level
of awareness of geopoliticality within the U.S. government.  More worried
that China might play with fire than anything else, the U.S. is more
worried at maintaining status quo: there is no legitimacy besides Chinese  
fire power in Tibet, and that serves as a legitimacy shield to Scott Horne!
It looks to me that if I follow Scott Horne's logic as of #6 above, than
one also might say that the U.S. supports China on Tiannaman Square!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: s5169180@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S5169180)
Subject: stop childish cross-fire !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:20:00 GMT

I have looked through the chidish cross-fires between scott and others.
It is getting more and more funny and childish. 

I ask both to stop this kind of useless talk through this preciuos hightech
network. Hangul can be one of the world best. Evenif anyone does not agree to
that, it is ok. It is their freedom. But don't use insulting phrases or make 
someone or something rediculous. If someone has revolting feeling against Hangul
from whatever the reason, That's ok too. We/you don't have to blame such a 
thing. It will be judged and critisized by him/herself from his/her own 
conscience - true nature.

Let's Stop the childish cross-talk. And try to raise up our talk to more
intellectual level.
                                                         Thanks
                                                           S. Lee

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jaeho@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jae Ho Shin)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.011031.10383@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
><Joe Huang  (Hangungmalo Hwang Uk-irago hamnida)
>
>Scott Horne (_Han'gungmal'o Scott Horne hamnida_).
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				probably, he's not a korean, or
				at least he wasn't educated in korea.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Something totally NEW   : )
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr16.095622.9844@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-ca@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Su M.) writes:
>Staying up at this wee hour(2am) while trying to finish up my CS
>project in this chilly computer lab, this thought just popped in
>my mind.  Would I be living a different life if I had gone to a college
>in Korea?  

You most certainly would.  Do you like drinking?

>From what I *heard* from some of my pals in Korea, the colleges there 
>seem to put too little emphasis on academic achievement so the students 
>tend to feel less compelled to study.  My guess is that it will really
>depend on individuals but I do recall one line out of my friend's
>letter: "I still cannot acknowledge the fact that I am finally through
>with the 12 years of harsh academic environment.  Just don't know
>how to handle this sudden freedom(?)..."  And this is a lady who's
>currently enrolled in the Chemical Engineering Dept. at Seoul Nat'l Univ.
>we are talking about.  

Well, compared to highschool days, there is just much more things to do in
College other than studying :) Especially during the Freshman and Sophomore
year.  I remember I spent much of my Freshman year doing...err...
socializing.  Seriously, these couple of years are really important ones
for Korean students because this is when your future starts to shape up.
Many students suffer the identity crisis during this time, having studied
in highschool for the college but not for their future.  You see a new
horizon, and get overwhelmed by sudden openness.  After the struggle, they
tend to get back on track and start working on the more realistic and
specific goals.  That's also when those girls consider you old... :)

Academically, it just depends on school and individual.  It might be true
that they tend to "force" the students to study less than US colleges.
IMHO, however, all the necessary resources are available if you want to
study and there is a pretty stiff competition among the students too.  In
the undergrad level, I think it is pretty comparable to American colleges
in overall academics.  It is the whole environment, not the school, that
might make it harder for a student to concentrate on the study.

I would kill to be there again.  I have many regrets for that period, but
it is the one that I cherish dearly.

>
>Su M.

Andy Kim
From: zing@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Leon Zing-Ding Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Kwangju Uprising Info Request
Date: 26 Mar 92 14:23:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


I was wondering if anyone on this newsgroup can recommend any publications
on the 1980 Kwangju Uprising.  So far, I was able to locate a book titled
"The Kwangju Uprising: Shadows Over the regime in South Korea" by Donald
Clark which was published by Westview Press Inc. in 1988.

In addition, can anyone explain to me the political differences or personal
animosities which compelled the Director of Korean-CIA Kim Chae-Gyu to
assassinate President Park Chung-Hee on Oct. 26th, 1979 ?

Thanks for any information you can direct my way.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: mn2n@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Myounggy  Noh)
Subject: Information about U.C. Berkeley, Northwestern U. and Yale U.
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:55:40 GMT

Sorry for positing this kind of personal request, but I cannot think of 
other newsgroup.  One of my friend in Korea is planning to study in 
international economics in U.S.  He applied several schools and got 
admissions from U.C. Berkeley (Berkeley, Ca.), Northwestern U. (Chicago,
Il.), and Yale U. (New Haven?, Ct.).  He asked me to find out some 
information about the places where those unviversities are located.
What he would like to know is :
1) What is the average rent of 1 or 2 bedroom apartment (private, or 
university housing ,if available)
2) Whether a car is necessary  and if so, how much will the approximate
insurance premium be for a year.
3) What is the average cost of living for people studying over there.
4) Is there any Korean groceries or restuarant? ( I know there are many
in Chicago but I don't know about other two)

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Concerning the bandwidth of net, I would prefer e-mail.
My e-mail address is mn2n@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu
Thank you very much.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: coops@engin.umich.edu (David John Cooper)
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:27:02 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Mdv550y00awKM2Y0Um@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anthony Russell Rosania) writes:
>You are all wrong- EVERYONES cultures are all just watered down handouts
>of long lost caveman civilizations, that migrated across the continents
>back before the days of continental drift---- BOW TO YOUR CAVEMAN
>ANCESTRY!! -JUST A JOKE.... oh and by the way Steve..... I told you this
>would happen.
>
>							Anthony

I think every culture is in fact a watered-down or bastardized
version of some original ancient culture.  The Vedic period in
India seems to contain many features which pop up in different
forms in present-day cultures.  I was surprised to learn that
many things have their origin in ancient India:  Buddhism (came
from Vedic religion), chess, so-called "Arabic" numbering
system, martial arts, algebra, geometry and calculus, aviation,
robotics, etc., etc...

I saw a three-line proof of the Pythagorean theorem which comes
from Vedic math scriptures thousands of years prior to
Pythagorus himself.

The actual Vedic literatures have people existing in civilized 
form many thousands of years previous to what western historians
want to accept.

The deity worship aspect of Hinduism also has strong resemblance
to the Shinto.  

Not an informed opinion, so no flames please -- just a casual
observation.

dave

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:27:50 GMT

se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:


>: The plot behind all this is to make the Korean history the history of a tiny
>: weak country of the peninsula south of Dae-Dong river, not the history which
>: has its basis in the continent.

>the river(s) you speak should be: Doo-man and Am-rok
>which have their source in the Paek-du-san.....unless you're speaking of
>only the southern korea.

I was refering to the period during which the united Silla occupied
the peninsula south of Dae-Dong river and Parhae occupied the land
north of it.

I believe you mean the Yi dyansty period, in which case your rivers are
wrong, strictly speaking. According to the agreement between Yi kingdom
and the Chings (Manchus) the boundary between Choson and Ching is along
Ab-Rog river and Do-Mun (not Doo-man) river which flows into Manchuria from
Paek-du-san.

In other words, a large area of land (as big as the peninsula itself) used to
belong to Korea. This area is known as Gan-Do and the official map of Korea
by the Roman Catholic church, of 1920's, clearly includes this area within
the Korean territory.

This land was traded off to Manchus illegally, by the Japanese, in order to
obtain their right to build a railway system in Manchuria, in an agreement
known as Gan-Do-Hyeob-Jeong.

In 1965, the Japanese government admitted that the agreement was an illegal one
and declared it VOID.
So we can say that Gan-Do is a Korean territory, legally.


Woong-Ki



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:25:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.061515.11195@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.041457.15054@seas.gwu.edu>, se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
>
><I'm surprised that
><more people do not have inferiority complexes--yes I definitely think that
><koreans as a people have a self-esteem problem.
>
>That doesn't give any one of them the right to claim "superiority" over others,
>particularly if the basis of the claim is a writing system invented by someone
>else.
>					--Scott

      This is where you said or implied that Hangul was invented by
      'someone else'.  What did you mean here other than Hangul is
      invented by someone else? Is this genreal argument not aiming at
      Koerean?

						Jungshik
Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (psycho-linguistics of)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:42:29 GMT

Dear Woong-Ki Chong

You may be able to give a nice answer to my question.

Somebody claimed that we read a sentence word by word not character by 
character.
I don't think so.
When we read a word, we don't read the whole word at once.
Basically, we read character by character.
Of course, sometimes we already know or expect some words to be at a 
certain position.
However, it is not a real reading.
It is merely a recognition of a pattern.
Even if we expect a word to be at a certain position, we basically check 
character by character.
We call it a reading.

If we read a word as a whole set, why do we need a symbol instead of 
written expression.
One of the most typical example is the traffic sign.
One of the simplest and most frequently meeting signs is STOP sign.
I don't think we 'read' the word, STOP, wordwise.
We know it is the word STOP which is on the plate we are looking at.
But, it is not the reading of the word.
It is just recognizing that it is the word STOP.
I mean we merely expect it.

Actually, we use some words so many times that we can expect some of them 
pretty well without real reading.
However, how many words can we really predict correctly, and how nice 
feeling can we have by just predicting a word without a real reading.
When we read a book, the story is a little bit clearer.
Even though the abundance of the redundancy in the sentences in a book is 
exceptionally high, how many words do we really skip without reading them ?
Another point is that the writing sytem is not just only for well educated 
people,
but also for normal people who need  to use it without long time study.
That is one of the ideas Hangul really aiming at.

Honestly, I haven't checked or heard about the differences in the 
recognition of a word between Korean and English.
However, I think Korean writing system has a nicer feature also in reading 
because of its geometrical compactness.
I think this is also the reason why we feel inconvenience if we write 
Hangul in a series.

Jong-Wook Seo
From: f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Tooting my own Horne
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:43:33 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I still don't think Horne is a Korean name.
I've asked several Korean friends of mine (Some of whom have just recently
moved to the States) and they do not think Horne is a Korean surname.
Can anyone besides Scott Horne verify this?

If Scott is indeed a Korean as he hints, I wonder why he prefers Chinese
sayings in his sig. and also why he takes the "Chinese" side on the hangul
issue. Perhaps he is only half Korean and feels left out or something...

As for growing up Mr. Scott Horne, I am not the one who started the name
calling... (Once again I thank you for the forgotten nickname of mine)

Even if you do not realize this, I don't mind the name calling. (Sticks and
stones et al.)

It was wise of you to edit my posting, I guess you like showing off to
"friends" of yours where ever they may be... 

Attila the HYUN <-- it took some real thinking to come up with such a clever
one-liner... NOT! As I said before even my english teacher thought of it so it
could not have taken too much original thinking... BTW I still want to know
what it is between you and Koreans... What's your beef?

Attila the HYUN hmm...

E-mail any flames to f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu unless you really like showing
off to friends of yours Mr. Horne...
From: kang@rushmore.ee.umn.edu (Byung-Chang Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HanjaTalk 6.0.7 -- Hanja Input
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:11:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr15.161119.1126
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.

In <1992Apr15.052101.9570@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ( ) writes:


>I'm running HanjaTalk 6.0.7 on a Mac SE.  Everything seems to be working well,
>except that I can't figure out how to input hanja.

>I randomly get some hanja characters on the screen: type the same keys 
>followed by the same <space> key, I'll sometimes get Hangul, sometimes
>Hanja, which certainly doesn't make sense.

>Well, I must be missing something.  I thought <space> would convert the
>Hangul to hanja, while <return> would post Hangul to the screen. I even
>tried the control panel (in-line control, <space>and<return>, or <return>
>only), but it didn't make any difference.

>P.S.:  Are there any HanjaTalk versions which run on a Classic II (or 
>PowerBooks, for that matter)?  A Classic II doesn't run under English 6.0.7.
>Actualy, the question is about HanjaTalk which worjs with System 7.

What is HanjaTalk 6.0.7? Do you mean HangulTalk (or Korean system) 6.0.7?
In HangulTalk6.0.7 (or Korean system6.0.7), you can enter Hanja in following
way.
1. Type a Hangul character. (Make sure you are in Hangul input mode)
2. Type the enter key which is in the numeric keypad.
   (Don't type the return key. It will put your Hangul into the main screen.)
3. You can see a bunch of Hanjas corresponding to the Hangul you typed in.
4. Use arrow key to select the Hanja you want.
5. Type the return key. It will change the Hangul in the small window
   at the bottom of the screen into Hanja.
6. Type the return key again.

If you have Hanja dictionary, you can convert a whole word to Hanja.
Try DaeHanMinGook. The method of converting Korean word to Chinese word is the 
same.

If you want run Korean on Powerbook, Classic II or Quadra, 
  use Korean system 7.0.1, the
most recent version of Korean system for Mac.
You can get a copy of it in the same way you got the copy of 6.0.7.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: petrescd@acf3.nyu.edu (Deivy Marck Petrescu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: escoteiros
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:12:40 GMT
Organization: New York University

voloch@contessa.berkeley.edu (Jose' Felipe Voloch) writes:

>Como era mesmo aquela piada do Juca Chaves que definia escoteiros?

>Felipe  <voloch@math.berkeley.edu>

"Escotismo e' um bando de crincas vestidas de idiotas
dirigidas  por um ididota vestido de Crianca"

                        J.Chaves politico, filosofo e puxa saco.

  Deivy
From: gmribeir@wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Brasil novo.
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:01:43 GMT
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.

[ministros e os cargos que ocuparam em governos anteriores]


Esse Goulart que aparece ai' e' o Jango mesmo ou e' outro?
Eu por mim acho muito interessante a mistura, que num mesmo governo
pode ter gente do Jango e gente do Medici, por exemplo. O que mostra
que nossas tradicoes politicas sao muito limitadas.


Agora nessa historia de "Afonso" eu boiei. Alguem pode explicar pra
mim?

				Glauber.

-- 
Glauber Ribeiro - Wheaton College, IL  (USA)
                  gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo)
Subject: Pe^ssegos no Sul do Brasil
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:31:43 GMT


Ha' grandes pomares de pessegos no sul do Brasil?
Qual e' a adaptacao da planta naquela area?
Quais sao as doencas que atacam o pessegueiro?  Aqui em
Oregon, devido ao clima chuvoso, temos problemas com
"peach leaf curl", "Coryneum blight", "blossom blight/
brown rot", and "bacterial canker" (nao sei como traduzir, dai'
as haspas).

Agradeco antecipadamente,

Marcos Camargo
marcos@ichips.intel.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: gmribeir@wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.brazil
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 23:13:45 GMT

In article <SANTOS.92Apr2150343@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:
>Sou novo no grupo (aprendi a mexer nessa coisa ontem, entao desculpem qualquer falha).

	Bem vindo ao grupo, Rafael. Sinta-se em casa.

	So' uma dica: parece que voce esta' usando um Maquintoche ou
algum outro computador que da' mais de 80 caracteres por linha. Se
voce limitar suas linhas a uns 70 caracteres, a aparencia da mensagem
fica muito melhor para a maioria do pessoal, que tem terminais de 80
caracteres/linha.

	Abraco,

			Glauber.


-- 
Glauber Ribeiro - Wheaton College, IL  (USA)
                  gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu
From: ddam@ukc.ac.uk (D.D.A.Moreira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Carnaval in Brazil
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: ddam@ukc.ac.uk (D.D.A.Moreira)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


   There are carnivals in a lot of places in Brazil, I didn't know that there was one in
   Cabo Frio (a lot of small cities have small carnivals).

   The carnival in Salvador, in my opinion, is as violent as in Recife-Olinda. Comparing
   with Rio (currently) any Brasilian city is safer (Unfortunatly, because Rio is a very
   beautful place).

   I like frevo very much, specialy "frevo baiano" ;-) , but play only frevo for one week
   (I think the carnival in Recife-Olinda last for one week) is too much. Anyway it's
   a question of personal taste :-) .


                                                                DILVAN

   " Re'cife cidadi pe'quena porem descenthi e assiada
     Ondhi o Capebe'ribe encontra o Bibe'ribe 
     Para formar o oceano Atlathico"
-------------------------
   Sorry, I couldn't resist, but I loved all pernambucanas I had met >;-) .

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   ddam@ukc.ac.uk