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From: msb@tyler ( Mark Blumhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:48:17 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

The bowls do not do a good job determining the NC.  But I'd still prefer
them to a playoff system for a lot of reasons, many of which I'm
sure have been batted around in this news group.

Two years ago three Colorado teams won their respective bowls
(Colorado, Colorado State and Air Force).  For each of these teams,
the season was a success. That is, they had good seasons, a lot of kids
got to go to a bowl, and they all won! 

If there had been a playoff, most would have lost and gone back home
before the holiday season as a loser.  With playoffs, only one
team wins in the end.

It seems that a playoff system benefits fans, the press, and others,
but not the kids.

I'm sure flames will ensue.

Mark
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: where to find individual+team stats in national paper
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:32:55 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm trying to find the latest stats for individual players
plus teams (e.g., best running back stats, teams allowing
fewest yards against the rush, etc.).  Do the New York
Times or USA Today run these on a given day, or is there
a good way to get these.  I'd rather not buy extra papers all
week... :-}

Thanks for any help!
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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:48:53 GMT
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In article 84923@bcsaic.boeing.com, lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum) writes:
 
> Is Miami committed to any particular bowl?  I think they are free to go
> anywhere they are invited.  I know they prefer to play at home, but they will
> probably want to go up against the best possible opponent this year

Ha.   Unless they get a #1/#2 matchup,  they will play in the OB.  Who
can blame them ?  They have a 46 game winning streak at home.  They
will play a team that is ~ #10 (maybe).  

Or they could risk playing the #3 or 4 team in a neutral (or hostile)
environment.  WHat is Miami's record in "neutral" bowls in the last 10
year ?  .500 ?



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From: davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder)
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (long)
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:42:56 GMT

	Though I am an FSU fan I also thought the officials missed some very
big calls that would have been in FSU's favor.  But all this aside, I must
ask why does Miami hire an ACC officiating crew for a home game in the 
Orange Bowl?  Is not Miami a member of the Big East?  Does not the Big East
have officiating crews?  But the officiating aside, the game was exciting 
as have been the last 10 or so with Miami coming out on top again.  Both
teams played exceptionally well considering the ramifications of the game.


			Dave.
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:06:21 GMT
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92537@netnews.upenn.edu> taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao) writes:
>
>
>My God.  There is *JUSTICE*.  I don't think Miami deserves to be #1 this year.
>Miami wins simply because of sheer lucks (wow, how come so many guys missed
>so much field goals against Miami?)
>
>And playing high school girl football teams most of the time and sneak by
>two top 10 teams by sheer luck DO NOT qualify as #1!


Where do all these brain-dead football "fans" come from? My god, why doesn't 
anybody understand that the ability to block kicks on a consistent basis as 
Miami has is just that -- an ability! These kids practice like hell, get off 
the line like there's no tomorrow and block or influence kickers all the time!
If you've never sat in on a film session getting ready for a team you've never
heard a coach say "watch that kid #24, he really gets off the ball and could 
block our kicks if we aint careful!" If you have never played football I would
not expect you to understand factors such as this but dammnit I am sick and 
tired of people dissin' Miami because they intimidate kickers. Somebody tell
me that the Penn State kicker wasn't thinking about the first block when he 
over-compensated inside and badly hooked his second field goal Saturday. And
I suppose Washington can call a kid leaving a kickoff laying in the endzone for 
them to recover a function of their superios skill over CAL!! Jesus Christ!!!! 
Cal stood toe-to-toe with Washington in its own backyard until that little bit
of "luck."  Get a clue guys! Miami, now having supplanted Notre Dame as the 
most hated team in the country, has a target on its back. You know you're a 
great team when a team (like Arizona) can make their season by LOSING to you
if only they can stay close!




-- 
Ronnie
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: 11rpotter@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Texas vs. Oklahoma Results???
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:48:01 GMT


I would like to know what happened the ball game between TEXAS LONGHORNS
and OKLAHOMA SOONERS.  Can you tell me the result statastic and how did they
scored?  I am from Texas, but attend university in Washington DC.  GALLAUDET
UNIVERSITY.

				Let me know asap!

						Brent

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's....
Keywords: any impact players...
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:31:39 GMT

In article <ld3741INN18e@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>WHen was the last TRUE frosh to play QB at a major college & play well ?
> stuff deleted
>Andy Knipp                    |

Well, Cale Gundy was a true frosh in '90, won the starting position after the 
texas game, and did pretty well.  The Sooners did lose to ISU and CU with him
as starter that season, but came back to win a few games and then pounded 
Nebraska 45-10 in the season finale to finsish 8-3.
Gundy was solid, and even great at times (the NU game), but OU was
still relying pretty heavily on the run.  He did set the OU freshman passing
record, which ain't saying much.

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From: apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Common Opponents, Transitivity, and Stupidity
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:03:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct14.030339.11861
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I recently posted some junk about a common opponent (namely Arizona
vs. Miami and Washington) being a vaild data point for objective
comparison while discounting transitive properties as applied to
football.

What drugs am I on?  I don't think they'll give me any decoder rings
for my UW degree, and they might even try to rescind my M.I.T degree!!!

Ok, now I'm off my drugs and I realize that a common opponent is just
an application of transitivity (A beats B and B beats C therefore
A is better than C... or A beats B by X and C beats B by Y and Y > X
therefore C is better than A), and therefore not strictly applicable to
college football rankings.

To try to get out of this with some scrap of dignity, I'll just say that
the less stretched the transitivity (ie., fewer teams involved - like 3), 
the more valid the data.  Maybe?

I appologize for the logic in my last few postings.

-- Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Division III rankings
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:58:04 GMT

Charlie Cockrell writes:

>>South:
>>1) Washington & Jefferson (Va) (4-0)
>
>By any chance, do you mean Washington and Lee? W&L is located in
>Lexington (same town as VMI). I've never heard of a Washington and
>Jefferson.

The USlessA Today lists W&J as being in Virginia, but I think it is in 
Pittsburgh.  I suppose I should know since I play darts with a W&J alumnus . .

     - Pat
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From: quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:19:10 GMT

In article <2AD3C73B.3076@news.service.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>In article <2AD34DE0.25971@news.service.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>>
>    I wrote :
>
>>  All this talk on the educational superiority of OU reminds me of an
>>  old joke. For those of you who haven't heard it,
>>
>>  Q:  What happens when an aggie leaves A&M and joins OU ?
>>
>>  A:  He brings up the average IQ of both Texas and Oklahoma !
>          ^^^^^^^^^
>
>   I guess I should have said `raises'. Sorry to bring up this thing
>   again...  My own brain has not been that sharp since I left  
>   Texas, you know...  No goobers around to keep my mind occupied !
>
>   GO HORNS !
>
>   Jay.

No jokes, :-) but what do i worry now if a decent win (~two touchdowns)
is enough to bring Texas back to the Top 25? 
Those so-so Trojans already did. 

GO HORNS !



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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: goin' to the Huskey game
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:59:55 GMT
Reply-To: fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
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  Well, I'm doing it- taking my first trip to Seattle to see the Dawgs
chew up on the Bears :-)

  Got a pretty good flight and game tickets are secure; a bunch of us 
are taking off Friday to hang out in the Jet City.  I hate to leave this
warm California weather we have been experiencing lately- I'll pack the
parka and umbrella since all I hear are horror stories about the weather
up there.

  I had a lot of good suggestions of things to do there- take the ferry,
go up in the space needle, just hang out, etc.  I believe the hotel we
are staying in (provided we don't get thrown out before Sunday) is somewhere
on or near U-Dub campus- University Inn or something like that.  It should
be a great trip even if we lose on national TV (putting the anti-woofing
theorem to its ULTIMATE test this weekend :-)

  The news feed is royally screwed up at work here, so I won't be able to read
anything at all in this group until Monday.  That's all I want to look forward 
to- reading 600 articles Monday...

  For the Pac-10, there is another important game: UCLA vs. Stanford.
I predict an upset for Stanford, even if "the genious" is leading them,
and yes, a second upset for this weekend- USC will drop one to Oregon.
Hey, you gotta try and call some upsets, otherwise everyone ends up 
picking the same winners :-)

  I'm looking forward to seeing the Huskies in their natural habitat-
let's see how well they can party!  If anyone sees me on ABC, let me know!
I sure won't know the difference :-)

  GO BEARS!

  Doug
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From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Preview (10-17-92)
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:31:39
Organization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say "Go Bears!"
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In-reply-to: crs@stein.u.washington.edu's message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.182600.12094@u.washington.edu>, 
	crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

   Cal @ Southern California  (Game of the week #2)

   [...] On offense, look
   for Cal to try and get Russell White off early to take some pressure off
   of Dave Barr, the QB. [...]

This morning's SF Chronicle reports that White is still laid up with
the groin injury he suffered during the Washington game.  Gilby was
quoted as saying "I'm 99 percent sure neither Russell nor Mack Travis
will make the trip".  Travis is still suffering from, ahem, turf toe.

This was at the top of a lengthy story about the longtime feud between
White and USC coach Larry Smith over who slimed whom when White was
being recruited, and the ugliness between the players during Cal's
52-30 rout of USC last year.

That felt good, so I think I'll say it again: Cal's 52-30 rout of USC
last year.  Ah, the memories.

BTW, Lindsey "Muff" Chapman is slated to start at tailback.

David Paschich
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford - ND means nothing
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:36:39 GMT
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Stanford - ND means nothing?  Well, it depends on whether you're a Stanford fan
or just someone who enjoyed seeing Notre Dame lose. :^)
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: If Michigan had played to win....
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:48:50 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
Keywords: Michigan-ND

> Both nebraska and Arizona said that Washington was the better team last year.
>It was a travesty that Washington had to share the title with an inferior team 
>I'm sure everyone will agree that this years husky team isn't even close to the
>incredible team of last year...but they'd still kick the shit out of miami!

It was more of a travesty that Miami had to share with such a bozo, untested
team as UW.  They just didn't play the level of competition Miami did.  Sure,
their bowl game was tougher, but not the rest of their opposition.  As for
you argument of "they'd still...".  Based on what??  Based on the fact that
they barely beat 2 top 5 teams???  Based on the fact that UW has won, but
struggled at times against three ok teams (Wisconsin, Cal., USC), all of which
were at home???  Based on what???
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:10:02 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <mplpv-g@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>
>Ok...someone PLEASE tell me how a teams schedule has ANYTHING to do with 
>how good a team they are!!!!!!!  *sigh* It's hopeless I suppose.
>WHO you play doesnt matter...HOW you play does!
>
>-Eric Jaderlund
> jade@triton.unm.edu



Very simple.  It is much harder to look good and win against one of the
nations best teams than it is to look good against easy competition.  
If Miami/Washington/however, play a top ten team, especially at the other
teams stadium, and wins,  even if they barely win and don't look as good 
doing so, people usually think more of the victory than a team that goes
and blows out another team.  As an example, Notre Dame only looked ok against
Michigan, a top 5 team.  They managed a tie.  I give them a ton more credit 
for that than their pasting of someone like Purdue.  Yes, they looked 
incredible against Purdue, but then, except for California, (:-)) almost
everyone has...

SO, if a team plays a lot of top notch competition and wins, even if they 
only barely do so, it is usually considered much more convincing than a 
team that looks a little bit better, but against lesser talent...


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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: tu at Austin seriously???
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:41:58 GMT

RayJay RayJays:
>  To goober:  stop picking against UT wins sir, you are dropping two far
>              below Jay in your SWC picks !  ...

Jay refuses to woof about it tho because he doesn't want to upset the
woof gods.  'Course in Stassen's CFPOOL, everybody and their dog is kicking 
my butt.  Which reminds me, I need to send in this weeks picks... 
anybody have a coin?

>  Jay  (The one from California. Yes, I drink tea; imported Darjeeling brand)

Yeah, but do you put sugar in it?

- goober (:q!) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far (Ha!)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:14 GMT

v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>
>Ooh, how about the Big East:
>
>Miami (1)
>Syracuse (14)
>Boston College (18)
>West Virginia (24)
>
>And three unbeaten teams in that lot, too!  How many other conferences can
>boast the same?

Oh what the hell, I'm already Vice Dictator for Life in the Goober School
for the Unkneauxing and Cluelesss (GSUC).  I'll bite...

Maybe when the Big East actually starts to schedule conference games on
a regular basis, this won't happen anymore.

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From: wt124177@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: The Big Eight's Demise as a national power
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:39:13 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

This really is not news to the majority of football fans,
but the Big Eight's hopelessly option dominated offenses....well,
Colorado at least is trying to pass more often....will not allow
any of these teams as a serious contender to a team such as Miami
or Washington, with better balance......

Do not get me wrong...the Big Eight does have the talent,
but its emphasis is in the wrong place. I personally thought that
Oklahoma was going to make strides after seeing their crushing of
Virginia in their bowl matchup last year.  They did use a powerful
balanced offense.  However.....that seems not to have happened with
losses to USC and Texas....(might as well pencil in losses to Nebraska
and Colorado also.....)

Of course, the Big Eight Champion has the toughest bowl assignment:
usually playing Miami in the Orange Bowl.....which if they did win,
the team should get the title automatically for beating Miami on
their home turf.

Anyway, the current setbacks for the Big Eight are not permanent,
but will continue as long as the current emphasis stays on an option
oriented run offense....

NOTE: I posted an article on the failure of the bowl coalition to
assure the head-to-head championship game this year, but forgot to
put my name....Here it is:



Warren L. Roy
West Virginia Institute of Technology

"The easiest way to win is to eliminate the competition........"
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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:56:26 GMT


Kevin "home, home on the range" Rodgers writes:

>>Can someone explain why, down 13-0 after one quarter, 34-0 after two,
>>and 48-0 after three, the Cowboys attempted just 3 passes the entire
>>game?!

To which Scott D. "master of the Big 8" Davis answers:

>I heard that wind gusts were up to 30mph.  Notice OSU's punts.
>Also, I heard, but not sure, that OSU's two top receivers and
>2nd string QB were out a game(for going to a motel with friends).
>Makes me wonder if Pat Jones,OSU's coach, decided to scrap the
>air game.  Another possibility, if OSU knew they were going to 
>get blown out, to just run the ball to keep the clock ticking.
>But, I was surprised too.

Three Cowboy player were suspended for the game and did not play, QB 
Gary Porter, WR  Milliner, and WR Culver. Millner and Culver are the 
entire reciving game in a nutshell, Porter is probably the best passing
QB, when he's not getting sacked. Porter was the starter in the TCU game.

Aside from the suspensions of the best passing prospects, according to 
Pat Jones on his weekly television show, it very windy and the Cowboys
had the wind at their backs in the 1st and 4th quarters. The three passes
came in the first quarter, but Oklahoma State was so inept offensively
that they did not run many plays, so it's probably not the small percentage
that it seems. Basically Jones said that he did not want Loveland to throw
against the wind. Loveland was injured at the end of the third quarter, and
3rd string QB Ray Marrow played the fourth with the wind, but did not pass.

Of course by the fourth quarter, the pokes were probably playing to 
keep things from getting blown out any more than thet actually did by 
turning the ball over, a Pat Jones trademark. (Check the stats of last
year's Miami game for proof)

Teresa
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