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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Aidan Palmer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations




	Scott couldn't have been on the Bozeman, since it was lost in 2277,
which put it before Star Trek VI.  Why? In "Journey to Babel", Sarek gives his
age as 102.  In Sarek, he gives his age as 202.  Now, since in "The Neutral
Zone" the year is given as 2364, "Sarek" would occur in 2368 and "Journey to
Babel" and first-season Star Trek would be in 2268.  In Star Trek II, Khan says
that it has been fifteen years since he was left on Ceti Alpha Five by Kirk,
which was in the first-season episode "Space Seed".  This would put Star Trek
II (and Star Trek III and Star Trek IV, since the Enterprise still has scars
from the battle in the Mutara nebula in III and IV occurs three months after
III according to Kirk's log entry at the beginning of the movie) in 2283.
And according to the novelization of Star Trek VI, it is about ten years after
The Final Frontier, putting it in 2293 or 2294.  So unless the Scotty in 
Star Trek II-VI wasn't the real Scotty, the Bozeman theory is out.
	
	(As Spike Milligan said, "It's all very confusing, really.")

	--The Midwesterner
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From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.191550.24167@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>Jimmy Doohan will appear as Scotty on the 4th or 5th (or so) episode of
>
>Well, the only option left is that somehow Scotty gets into a situation

Bullshit. He didn't say which Scotty did he ??
Could be Snotty jr.

Matthew
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From: scott@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (scott evans)
Subject: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:23:33 PDT

^L

Jimmy Doohan will appear as Scotty on the 4th or 5th (or so) episode of
6th season, TNG. According to Ron Moore, he will not be a holodeck
image, will not be old (like the "admiral" in EatF), and will not be the
result of time travel. The idea Ron has come up with is quite good...I
guess that's why he's on staff and we'er not!!!

Scott Evans
UCLA Astronomy
From: pierrot@milton.u.washington.edu (The Pierrot)
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:57:11 GMT
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In article <92206.165835PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu> PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu (Peter Chewning) writes:
>Maybe not Scotty JR. It could be a nephew of Scotty's OR, Here's an "ORIGINAL"
>idea.....TAA-DAA!!!! How about a Clone?????

	Actually, what I've heard, is that Montgomery Scott will
	be flung into the future, captured by Romulans, and have 
	a son . . . . . 

	Do I NEED to add a smiley to this??

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From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
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Subject: Re: Christmas Ornament market value
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:25:21 GMT
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markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:

>Mary--at the last con I attended, the Enterprise ornaments ranged from
>$80 up to $150, depending on the dealer. If your friend is a Trek fan,
>that would be a wonderful gift.

WELL - I know what dealer *I* would buy from.

     The scary thing is - how much is this going to be worth in 5 or
10 years?  

>Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
>Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
>
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>

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    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
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From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:38:00 GMT
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control l for your protection (although it's probably too late)


In article <1992Jul26.002803.1590@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes...
>> Depending on how one defines "Time Travel", Scotty could have been on the
>> Soyuz-class ship that was caught in the time loop this season.  The one
>> where Kelsey Grammer (sp?) played the laid-back captain with an attitude
>> right out of the ST VII time frame - just like he should have.
> 
>This is the first decent idea I have seen...I don't remember the exact number
>of years, but I think they were probably about right for the gap from the
>movie to ST:TNG. 

i think riker said something to the effect that those ships were last built 
80 years ago, so that would be about right, eh?

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:06:48 GMT

In article <FBwJoB2w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps) writes:
>umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:
>
>> This is impossible as when the Captain of the time travelling vessel was
>> asked what StarDate it was by Picard, he replied with 2200-something.  This
>> stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>> to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  Thus Scotty would have been on 
>> Enterprise.  
>> 
>> Perhaps Scotty has a brother?  Evil twin??  Cousin?
>
>When Picard stated that this is the Enterprise I was suprised there was 
>NO reaction by the other captain. It seems that captain doesn't know his 
>captain. If I remember right JTK was the youngest captain <I will allow 
>to be corrected :)>
>
>Austin C. Phelps                bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
>
>"Let History Never Forget the Name Enterprise" Yesterday Enterprise

maybe but they were wearing new uniforms which meant kirk is/was
an admiral so he should have known the name if not his prior command(s).

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From: billr@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Bill Richmond)
Subject: Re: Are any Star Trek cast members ST fans?
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.010601.27163@ecst.csuchico.edu>, kostj@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jason E. Kost) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul22.165235.57441@cc.usu.edu> sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul22.160716.9548@maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
|> >Cast members that I know are also fans:  Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, 
|> >Whoopi Goldberg, and Leonard Nimoy.  Nichols and Takei have been especially
|> >active in promoting Star Trek and the ideals it presents.  Goldberg got
|> >the job as Guinan because she begged Roddenberry for it;  she just wanted
|> >to be a part of the mythos, even for a one-shot guest role.  Nimoy had a
|> >bad time for a while (remember "I am not Spock"?) but now that he's known
|> >as a top director and a respected actor as well as Spock, seems much 
|> >happier about being active in Star Trek.
|> >-- 
|> Jonathan Frakes is also a fan of ST.  He tried out for the part because of his
|> interest.

	Well, let's not forget Patrick Stewart...He used to watch Star Trek
as an afternoon diversion while in between Shakespearean performances.
He's an incredibly charismatic, witty, & charming person BTW...If you have a 
chance to see him, I would highly reccommend it...


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From: umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:53:46 GMT

WARNING: Major Spoiler for 6th Season of Star Trek: The Next Generation Follows

(Continuation of Thread)

If you want to avoid it, press n now or forever hold your peace...


In <1992Jul26.235737.3393@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:

>>>> Depending on how one defines "Time Travel", Scotty could have been on teh
>>>> Soyuz-class ship that was caught in the time loop this season.  The one
>>>> where Kelsey Grammer (sp?) played the laid-back captain with an attitude
>>>> right out of the ST VII time frame - just like he should have.

>>> This is the first decent idea I have seen...I don't remember the exact
>>> number of years, but I think they were probably about right for the gap from
>>> the movie to ST:TNG. 

>> This is impossible as when the Captain of the time travelling vessel was
>> asked what StarDate it was by Picard, he replied with 2200-something.  This
>> stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>> to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  Thus Scotty would have been on
>> the Enterprise.  

>He never said 'stardate' only 'date' and I believe the answer was circa 2280...
>Quite a ways off from the date you posted. Maybe you shoudl rethink what you
>said?

Oh, uh, yeah, I guess I was wrong.  Sorry.  That does make for an interesting
possibility though...he could very well have been a passenger on this or a 
similar vessel.  Interesting concept!

He could also be a clone, as someone else also suggested.  That would be 
interesting...or perhaps he a dimensionalized version of himself (a copy of 
himself made in the 5th dimension then brought back to the 3rd dimension or
something equally bizarre).

Rick Lippens
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From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
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Subject: Christmas Ornament market value
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:59:24 GMT
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     I expect after posting this I'll be receiving TONS of wedding
invitations :^)

     A LONG time ago - oh about last December or so, I bought a
wedding present for someone that is getting married this weekend (yes,
I have been know to plan ahead).  Somehow or other I managed to get my
hands on an extra Enterprise ornament.

     Now, I still plan on giving the happy couple their present,
(well, to be quite honest once or twice I've waffled a little) but I'm
really curious as to what the current market value is on this item.  

     So, if anyone knows what they're going for on the secondary
market -- please let me know.

THANKS

--
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one reason to read the Psalms - they are a radiant field of
glory that never shines unless the night shuts in.
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    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
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From: shobaki@gummo.cse.ogi.edu (Khaldoun Shobaki)
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:30:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.40629
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Computer Science & Engineering

In article <1992Jul27.225736.27385@midway.uchicago.edu> arxt@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>which put it before Star Trek VI.  Why? In "Journey to Babel", Sarek gives his
>age as 102.  In Sarek, he gives his age as 202.  Now, since in "The Neutral
>Zone" the year is given as 2364, "Sarek" would occur in 2368 and "Journey to
>Babel" and first-season Star Trek would be in 2268.  In Star Trek II, Khan says
>	--The Midwesterner


How long is a Vulcan year though? Could it be possible that 100 years for
Sarek is not 100 years for the enterprise then?

I have no clue, I'm just throwing out ideas!




-kal
From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
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Subject: Re: Christmas Ornament market value
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:16:31 GMT
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mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:

>markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:

>>Mary--at the last con I attended, the Enterprise ornaments ranged from
>>$80 up to $150, depending on the dealer. If your friend is a Trek fan,
>>that would be a wonderful gift.

>WELL - I know what dealer *I* would buy from.

I understand cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey ornaments go for even more... :^)
-- 

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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:48:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.172553.14293@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:
>In <1992Jul26.002803.1590@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
>
>>> Depending on how one defines "Time Travel", Scotty could have been on the
>>> Soyuz-class ship that was caught in the time loop this season.  The one
>>> where Kelsey Grammer (sp?) played the laid-back captain with an attitude
>>> right out of the ST VII time frame - just like he should have.
>
>>This is the first decent idea I have seen...I don't remember the exact number
>>of years, but I think they were probably about right for the gap from the
>>movie to ST:TNG. 
>
>This is impossible as when the Captain of the time travelling vessel was
>asked what StarDate it was by Picard, he replied with 2200-something.  This
>stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  Thus Scotty would have been on the
>Enterprise.  
>

Not stardate, *YEAR*.  The captain answers "2278", which puts the
Bozeman from between TMP and TWoK.  (Which explains the film-era
uniforms)

<ESC>
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Are any Star Trek cast members ST fans?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:52:35 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul22.160716.9548@maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
> 
>>Anyway, sometimes I wonder what the cast really thinks of the show and its
>>fans.  Sometimes I think they do not really like the show and think
>>ST fans are just a bunch of geeks and are very uncomfortable going to
>>conventions.

Cast members that I know are also fans:  Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, 
Whoopi Goldberg, and Leonard Nimoy.  Nichols and Takei have been especially
active in promoting Star Trek and the ideals it presents.  Goldberg got
the job as Guinan because she begged Roddenberry for it;  she just wanted
to be a part of the mythos, even for a one-shot guest role.  Nimoy had a
bad time for a while (remember "I am not Spock"?) but now that he's known
as a top director and a respected actor as well as Spock, seems much 
happier about being active in Star Trek.

One thing to remember:  these people are busy *producing* the show.  They
don't have time to read the net, collect stuff, or write fanfic.  Their 
perspective on Star Trek is very different from ours.

Lorna
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:21:31 GMT
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Depending on how one defines "Time Travel", Scotty could have been on the
Soyuz-class ship that was caught in the time loop this season.  The one
where Kelsey Grammer (sp?) played the laid-back captain with an attitude
right out of the ST VII time frame - just like he should have.

An aside: anybody know if Kelsey's kicked his cocaine problem?  I thought
his acting in that episode was very good, but it's possible he really
did have an attitude problem:-}

Anyway, the theory behind the time-loop, as I understand it, is that the
ship existed for every instant of all the years it was stuck, but kept
repeating the same stretch of *subjective* time, so maybe the producers
or whoever said it was not time travel were pulling a semantic stunt
on us.  Hey, WE're the computer people, we ought to be able to handle it
when somebody is torquing us by being too literal8-)

	Bob 
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From: z_snyderew@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
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Subject: re:o'brien's rank (again)
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:40:05 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Yes, in "Family" O'Brien was called a CPO, but in the first
season he was also called Lt.  I can't remember which episode
it was but I will find out so you can watch it for yourself.


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From: hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:06:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <5829@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.191741.14333@husc3.harvard.edu> rivera@scws9.harvard.edu  
>(Francisco Rivera) writes:
>> they may not be in communication range for some reason.  Well, if their
>> warp system were to fail and they would not be able to repair it, they
>> would be forced to return on impluse power.  Since impulse power does not
>> warp space and follows normal Einsteinian principles, since they would
>> be going near the speed of light, they would not age as fast as we would
>
>What you say is true, according to Einstein.  And has been proven true
>even on Earth, placing two different clocks on two different airplanes
>going different speeds, etc.  (read it if your interested).  However,
>the Star Trek show does not take this into account.  If they did, then
>time would be so distorted for everybody.  Traveling at near light speed
>for even an hour slows down the relative clock by 60 years.  And the 
>Enterprise, A-D does a tremendous amount of traveling at warp 6, 7, etc.
>Thus, at speeds well over light, even a minute would last several years
>on Earth.  Thus, Star Trek can not possibly take into account the
>realtivity of time.  And therefore, your theory, though correct
>technically (although only with our knowledge) is incorrect as the show
>is concerned.

Perhaps this should be moved to r.a.s.tech, but...

The idea behind warp propulsion is that it would change the spacetime
around the ship in a way so that it does not behave like normal space.
Of course, relativity shows that if one could get from one point to
another faster than light can, no matter how one does it, one could 
violate causality.  You say that "at speeds well over light, even a 
minute would last several years on Earth." This is wrong. In effect,
traveling faster than light causes one to go backwards in time.

Just to clarify this, for example, assume you could send a communication
signal faster than the speed of light (say you could do it instantaneously).
Well, for an OUTSIDE observer in normal space (say someone watching from
earth) instantaneous means something different for him than it does for
another observer traveling at sub-light speeds relative to Earth.  In fact,
instantaniously for one observer could mean backwards in time relative
to another observer. Here is an example of where causality becomes effected.

ANYWAY
-Jay
From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:10:19 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.191550.24167@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>>Jimmy Doohan will appear as Scotty on the 4th or 5th (or so) episode of
>>
>>Well, the only option left is that somehow Scotty gets into a situation

>Bullshit. He didn't say which Scotty did he ??
>Could be Snotty jr.

interesting as we never really saw Scotty with a woman... he liked
them fine (when his 'bairns' were boring enough and the skirt was
mini enough - did he send them up the jeffries tubes first? ;-) )...

I mean.. a son for scotty?

I suppose it never was resolved if Scotty kept seeing Mira Romane
or not after "The Lights of Zetar"  ...

Well anything is possible I guess...


>Matthew

-richard

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