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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Performance Designs 9-cells. (Non-ZeroP)
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:30:31 GMT

Howdy.
	In my continuing quest to decide on a new canopy, since the
Sabre 150 may be too hot for some time to come, I'm considering a
big-ish PD nine cell... like a PD230.

Anyone jump one?

How stable are they in brakes? Okay for casual accuracy and demos?

Still relatively fun to fly?

Any comments greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Barry

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Reply-to: Hans.Falkeman@p0.f126.n203.z2.fidonet.org (Hans Falkeman)
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 * In a msg of Wednesday December 09 1992, romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol writes to Skydive:

 rcde> So, I thought I'd solicit opinions of Dytter vs Paralert. I'll
 rcde> probably just go Dytter because it will mount inside my Protec,
 rcde> but I'm interested in any opinions.

The Dytter is the best one to bye! The Dytter can be mounted on any hat.

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Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!carina.unm.edu!valrik

 r> P.S.  On the brighter side, I'm taking my FAA private pilot check ride on
 r> Wednesday, Dec. 2nd!  My instructor is our jump pilot, and he's never had
 r> one of his students bust.  I hope not to, either!  I'll let y'all know!

Hey, good luck!  I just passed mine and got my private last month.  Yahoo!


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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:17:49 GMT

The Vector student mod is usually supplie with a throw out cable to emulate a
leg or belly band throw out.  The reason you see _ripcord_ mods is because of
the stone age desire of AFF that has students learning on ripcords just in
time to switch to throw outs.  I wonder what happened to PIA's stated desire
to standardize equipment in the sport?
Bobby magee
D-371
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From: kroon@alice.att.com (Peter Kroon)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Rumour that Piras bounced apparently true
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:05:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24407
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

I still would like to hear some other independent sources confirm this,
but apparently Tom Piras bounced yesterday (sat.) at some DZ in Fl.
The details I have is that he was jumping with inexperienced jumpers
and somehow, somebody dumped under him, and collided with Piras, who
got knocked out. He did not regain consciousness to pull he parachute.

On one of his rigs he had a Cypres, but usually he would not turn it on.

 If this news is true, then it is a big loss for the sport. Tom was one
of the main driving forces behind many good 4-way teams, and he himself
won the Worldchampionships a couple of years ago.

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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:31:19 GMT

Pierre Moret (moret@disuns2.epfl.ch) wrote:
: >Strong Tandem v.s. Vector Tandem.
: 
: wrong!... It is possible to add a passenger/student ripcord to the Vector.
: (Basically the same solution as on the Strong.)

I was trying to be brief.  What I should say is that I've seen less vector
tandems setup *with* a passenger ripcord than I've seen vector tandems
setup *without* a passenger ripcord.

Quite similarly, you *can* get a throw-out on a racer, but in practice
you'll find them setup with pull-out's, right?

Cold snowy weather here on the east coast.
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Tommy P. ??????
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Doug Puchalski (drp40@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
: Tom Piras isn't the guy with the most jumps in the world, is he?
: (I know that Bill Daus has the most freefall time, but I remember
: someone else having more jumps, but less time).

Don Kellner in Hazelton, PA; I've lost track as to how many right
now, but it's well over 16,000.
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's:comments?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:42:14 GMT

>
>For starters, I believe that the Russians have been required to use
>dual AAD setups until 100 jumps for a few years now. Their results have
>been fairly positive.
>
>You might look into the new Mars FF3 unit made by SSE. It is an all
>electronic unit like the cypres, but has two channels (so the same
>"brain" could control both the main and reserve opening devices). That
>would probably simplify the calibration procedures somewhat over having
>two completely different units on the same rig. Actually the Cypres 
>supposedly has two channels as well, but they haven't yet done anything 
>to make the second channel useful/available.
>

I wonder why no AAD manufacturer has installed a "cutaway, then yank 
the reserve" type of system.  The cypress says it doesn't do anything 
below 130 ft. that's a good idea for this type of system.  
The idea seems straightforward.  Use a "dual-release" type of arrangement 
on the 3-ring (like some tandems have for drogue release) and have 
the AAD/pin-puller "cutaway" a qtr or half a second before cutting 
the closing loop (cypres).  

I've seen several incident reports in Parachutist that show people 
having an AAD deploy the reserve into a main.
Granted the AAD didn't "malfunction", but do you notice that 
Parachutist never uses the phrase "Absence of the AAD might 
have prevented this fatality". 
I know, I know, it was ultimately the jumper's fault for deploying
too low, but shit happens, too. 

Comments/Criticisisms/speling error corrections welcom.   :^)
-Eric

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: F A Q (Instructor Aided Deployments?)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:41:52 GMT

The exit described is a Dynamic exit.  Also the correct IAD procedure is to
not to pull the bridle out, but merely to place the pilot chute in the
slipstream, as the manufacturer intended.
I do live in Canada
Bobby Magee
D-371

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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu (Brandon France)
Subject: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:10:51 GMT

In article <5410@disun49.epfl.ch>, moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret) writes:
> In article <Bz3s8D.6uH@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
>>Brandon France (fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu) wrote:
>>: Up here the tandem passenger is allowed to pull the ripcord, if he
>>: remembers...
>>
>>Strong Tandem v.s. Vector Tandem.
> 
> wrong!... It is possible to add a passenger/student ripcord to the Vector.
> (Basically the same solution as on the Strong.)
> 
> --Pierre     moret@di.epfl.ch


The tandem that I jumped was a Vector and it had the ripcord mount for
the passenger.

Brandon France 		fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Tommy P. ??????
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:22:55 GMT
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Dec16.154842.9768@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, roden@phonon.eng.ohio-state.edu (Christoph A Roden) writes:
>Hey is it really true that the most experienced skydiver in the world,
>Tommy Piras, frapped last week?
>Has anyone heard about this?
>Does anyone know the details?

Tom Piras isn't the guy with the most jumps in the world, is he?
(I know that Bill Daus has the most freefall time, but I remember
someone else having more jumps, but less time).
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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Rumor that Wally Gubbins bounced??
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:19:23 GMT

Pete Reynolds played Wally Gubbins and produced the films with primary
photographer Leo Dickinson.
-Bobby-

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From: jan@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Jan Stewart)
Subject: IADs
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:22:52 GMT

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D Jan,

Please Post this.


>I was told recently that Canada is the only place that does IADs and was
>just wondering if this is true. This is roughly like S/L except the JM's
>job is to pull out your pilot chute and bridle on jump run and throw it
>after you when you exit (no bonus points for catching it)

The recent (couple of months ago) death of a Carolina (north or south, I can't
remember) beauty queen was at a student school that was using the Instructor
Aided Deployment method.  Look a couple of issues back in the Skydiving
Magazine.

Brent

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's:comments?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:18:14 GMT

This is a situation where Occam's Razor applies. (The simplist solution is
the best).  The main canopy is just that, the canopy that is mainly used. 8^)

An AAD on the reserve is excellent in an emergency.  Having one on the main
needlessly complicates what is an excellent process.  I point to the safety
records of both AFF and PFF relative to all other aspects of the sport.

-Bobby Magee-

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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Pullout/throwout
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:27:02 GMT

In article <Bz99Ms.65B@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
>I have seen lots of racers and talked to lots of racer-bigots, but
>have never seen nor heard a jumper that had or wanted a throw-out.

Really?  Wow!  Up until a few months ago, I had never even seen a pull out on a
racer!  

So what's the consensus?  Which are more rare?  Pullouts or throwouts?  Is
this an appropriate time for some definitions? 

throwout pilot chute: as the name implies, this pilot chute is thrown out into
the relative wind by the jumper.  It usually resides in a pocket on the leg
strap of the harness or in a pocket on the underside of the main container.
The pilot chute pulls the pin on the main container and then proceeds to pull
the the main out of the container.

pullout pilot chute: this pilot chute is packed inside the main container with
the main deployment bag.  A handle is attached to a line outside of the
container which in turn is attached to a pin closing the main container.  This
handle (usually called a pud) is pulled.  This pulls the pin opening the main
container and the pilot chute is pulled from the main container into the
relative wind.  The pilot chute then proceds to pull the main out of the
container.

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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: DZ in San Diego
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:11:42 GMT

 I have a skydiving friend that is heading off to San Diego, CA at 

 2 PM  CST   today  17 Dec.    He was wanting to know if there was a DZ
near San Diego.

I need to know by 1:45 PM today CST.  


Sorry, He didn't say anything sooner.

Dan



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From: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Subject: A poem for Tom Piras (and other divers)
Reply-To: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:52:18 GMT

Hello to everyone.  My name is Sean Roberts, and while I don't skydive, I heard
about the death of Tom Piras (from Dan'l Briggs, over on alt.callahans) and
would like to offer my sympathies...  Also, this poem, which I was inspired to
write for Tom.

-------------------------------
SKYDIVING

To be set free of
the heavy load of
gravity; carried into
the sky and cast out, like a
fledgling eagle from parent's nest:

Then, as leaflike you
drift earthward, for the
moment featherlight; touching
a cloud, knowing its wetness
as you would know your lover's touch:

Seeing mother earth
rushing up at you,
yet you take time to wonder
at her beauty; emerald
and azure mingled with the browns:

The glory of flight:
Falling free, outside
the boundaries of the world
until at last, slender cords
jerk you safely back to yourself.

---------------------------------
Dan encouraged me to post this here, so I have.  If anyone would like to make
comments, etc. (be gentle), post them to alt.callahans and I'll get them.
Bye now, and I'm sorry about Tom's loss.

Sean Roberts, poet and dreamer
Someday I'll learn to fly myself...
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From: toby@hobbes.nas.nasa.gov (Toby E. Harness)
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's:comments?
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: toby@nas.nasa.gov

In article <1992Dec16.014214.29993@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
- I wonder why no AAD manufacturer has installed a "cutaway, then yank 
- the reserve" type of system.  The cypress says it doesn't do anything 
- below 130 ft. that's a good idea for this type of system.  
- The idea seems straightforward.  Use a "dual-release" type of arrangement 
- on the 3-ring (like some tandems have for drogue release) and have 
- the AAD/pin-puller "cutaway" a qtr or half a second before cutting 
- the closing loop (cypres).  

A better idea is to have the reserve do an automatic cutaway as it
deploys.  This would then work with or without an ADD.

This is not the same as a RSL (reserve static line); in some way it's
the reverse.  It's not a (perhaps partially) deployed main deploying
the reserve as it is cutaway, but a deploying reserve that cuts-away
the main (whether it needs it or not) as it comes out of its container.

It's also not the same as an SOS (Single Operating System).  You would
still have a cutaway handle that, assuming you don't have an RSL, would
do only that:  namely, cut away your main.  The reserve handle would
have a similar effect as a SOS handle, but it should be the reserve
coming out of its container that cuts-away the main, not the actual
pulling of the handle.  This would permit closing loop cutters to
work as they currently do.

Canopy transfers, falling free of wraps, and such would still be possible,
but it should be almost impossible to have two canopys out at the same
time.  There are situations where everything is so screwed up that you
want to have as much fabric flapping in the wind as possible, but most of
these seem to be brought on by having multiple canopys simultaneously
deployed anyway.

Comments welcome.

toby
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From: mra@zoo.toronto.edu (Mark Austerberry)
Subject: Re:  Tom Piras bounce
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:31:27 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology


I was sad to hear about Tom Piras bouncing.
He was a great skydiver and a dedicated coach.
He leaves behind his wife Kirsten (sp?), who was origanlly from Norway,
and their young daughter Amanda.

My non skydiving fiancee remembers all three of them, from a boogie we
attended a couple of years ago and when we were in Deland last April.
Karen (my fiancee) struck up a little friendship with Kirsten and would
mind little Amanda when Tom and Kirsten were jumping.
Karen would like to send Kirsten a sympathy card.  Since they lived
in Deland, I expect that if something was sent to the drop zone, they
would froward it on to Kirsten.  I've looked but I don't have the drop
zone address anywhere.  Would someone be so kind as to look up the 
mailing address for the Deland drop zone and email it to me.

Thanks.
-- 



                       Mark Austerberry
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From: roden@phonon.eng.ohio-state.edu (Christoph A Roden)
Subject: Tommy P. ??????
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:48:42 GMT

Hey is it really true that the most experienced skydiver in the world,
Tommy Piras, frapped last week?
Has anyone heard about this?
Does anyone know the details?

thanks

Chris
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From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Subject: You create your own reality and skydiving
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:44:06 GMT




	Is there anybody out there (active skydiver, of course)
	who's  familiar with the philosophical concept of 
	YCYOR, i.e. 'you create your own reality' meaning
	that your are totally(!) responsible for every event in
	your life. Or put it the other way, every thing that happens
	in your life does so because you really want it. Applied to 
	skydiving it could mean for example I'd never would have to
	even think of pulling my reserve if my self wasn't 
	convinced of learning something important for its
	spiritual growth from such an event. I think this is a
	chance to develop perfect security.		
	
	helmut
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From: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu (Ken Cameron)
Subject: Rumor that Wally Gubbins bounced??
Originator: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:06:56 EST

Which checking on the Prias incident we heard that Leo Dickison(Wally)
had a total and went in. Granted this was reported to us as pure
rumor but I know there are folks in UK, FL, and most of the jumping
world that watch this net so this should be answered and hopefully
disproved.

-- 
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From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You create your own reality and skydiving
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:35:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccmail.aaronm.32.0
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In article <1992Dec17.114406.16556@rdg.dec.com> hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin) writes:
>From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
>Subject: You create your own reality and skydiving
>Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:44:06 GMT
>
>
>
>	Is there anybody out there (active skydiver, of course)
>	who's  familiar with the philosophical concept of 
>	YCYOR, i.e. 'you create your own reality' meaning
>	that your are totally(!) responsible for every event in
>	your life. Or put it the other way, every thing that happens
>	in your life does so because you really want it. Applied to 
>	skydiving it could mean for example I'd never would have to
>	even think of pulling my reserve if my self wasn't 
>	convinced of learning something important for its
>	spiritual growth from such an event. I think this is a
>	chance to develop perfect security.		
>	
>	helmut
You've got something there and I like it. (65 jumps) and counting

Mithran Aaron
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's:comments?
Keywords: AAD Cypres FXC
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:23:34 GMT

I wonder why they don't just use a MARS attched to both main and reserve?
Perhaps because you cannot buy them outright?

I wonder if anyone uses the MARS AAD.

Ideas?
TIm

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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: 2 aad's, etc
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:25:39 GMT


> What I was trying to communicate is that it is far worst to
> have an eqipment failure that causes a cutaway than it is to have
>  an equipment failure that causes a reserve activation.

I agree. And perhaps this is the reason they don't do it!
Let me know what the folks at the PIA have to say about it!

-Eric

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