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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:45:18 EDT
From:         gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 16

In this issue:
                             Quayle on Gays
                         Quayle on Gays Part II
                     Chuckle or cry--it's up to you
                  The L.L. Bean controversy rages on!
                          Newsweek Cover Story
                       The OCA, The Seattle press
          ZAP BUSH AND ROBERTSON THIS FRIDAY IN VIRGINIA BEACH
                  World's First Bottom Found in ALPS!
                                  NPR
               re John Collier's last post from Australia

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From: jasonl5493@aol.com
Subject: Quayle on Gays
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:37:58 EDT

HOUSTON (AP) -- Vice President Dan Quayle denied Friday that his
acceptance speech poke at alternative lifestyles was gay bashing but said
homosexual relationships should not be treated the same as marriage.
   When asked on ABC's "Good Morning America" whether he thought
homosexual lifestyles were wrong he said, "Yes."
   But he added, "That is not gay bashing. ... I'm just saying that
from my point of view and from the view of most Americans, they
think that lifestyle is wrong. That's not saying people don't have
the right to make that choice."
   He reaffirmed the Bush administration's policy of
non-discrimination, but then said: "I do not equate and I do not
believe that you have a so-called gay marriage and you have a
heterosexual marriage, they are not the same and they should not be treated
as the same."
   During his speech Thursday night, Quayle said it was wrong for
parents trying to "raise their children to understand right and
wrong -- only to be told that every so-called 'lifestyle
alternative' is morally equivalent."
   Quayle aides said the phrase "lifestyle alternative" encompassed
gay relationships as well as the unwed motherhood that Quayle
objected to on television's "Murphy Brown."
   Later, Quayle told Republican leaders at a convention city
send-off that President Bush's promise for an across-the-board tax
cut coupled with spending reductions had defined the GOP ticket.
   "Now there is absolutely no doubt that there is a major
difference between our president and the governor of Arkansas: They
want to raise taxes; we want to lower taxes," he said.
   In his acceptance, Quayle vowed he was "unbowed, unbroken" by his critics
as he accepted his party's renomination by declaring there was a "cultural
divide" separating Democrats and Republicans.
   He defiantly taunted Clinton -- and even some in the GOP -- who
have ridiculed his performance as Bush's understudy.
   "I know my critics wish I were not standing here tonight," Quayle said.
"They don't like our values. They look down on our beliefs. They're afraid of
our ideas. And they know the American people stand on our side."
   Quayle said Friday morning President Bush's acceptance speech
Thursday "laid out very clearly how's he's going to get this economy going
and it's not going to be through higher taxes, but lower taxes."
   "The program he offered last night is a discipline, to force
Congress not to spend so much money," he said. "With a new Congress  and this
president there will be a whole sea change."  as marriage.
   When asked on ABC's "Good Morning America" whether he thought
homosexual lifestyles were wrong he said, "Yes."
   But he added, "That is not gay bashing. ... I'm just saying that
from my point of view and from the view of most Americans, they
think that lifestyle is wrong. That's not saying people don't have
the right to make that choice."
   He reaffirmed the Bush administration's policy of
non-discrimination, but then said: "I do not equate and I do not
believe that you have a so-called gay marriage and you have a
heterosexual marriage, they are not the same and they should not be treated
as the same."
   During his speech Thursday night, Quayle said it was wrong for
parents trying to "raise their children to understand right and
wrong -- only to be told that every so-called 'lifestyle
alternative' is morally equivalent."
   Quayle aides said the phrase "lifestyle alternative" encompassed
gay relationships as well as the unwed motherhood that Quayle
objected to on television's "Murphy Brown."
   Later, Quayle told Republican leaders at a convention city
send-off that President Bush's promise for an across-the-board tax cut
coupled with spending reductions had defined the GOP ticket.
   "Now there is absolutely no doubt that there is a major
difference between our president and the governor of Arkansas: They want to
raise taxes; we want to lower taxes," he said.
   In his acceptance, Quayle vowed he was "unbowed, unbroken" by his  critics
as he accepted his party's renomination by declaring there was a "cultural
divide" separating Democrats and Republicans.
   He defiantly taunted Clinton -- and even some in the GOP -- who
have ridiculed his performance as Bush's understudy.
   "I know my critics wish I were not standing here tonight," Quayle said.
"They don't like our values. They look down on our beliefs.  They're afraid
of our ideas. And they know the American people stand on our side."
   Quayle said Friday morning President Bush's acceptance speech
Thursday "laid out very clearly how's he's going to get this economy going
and it's not going to be through higher taxes, but lower taxes."
   "The program he offered last night is a discipline, to force
Congress not to spend so much money," he said. "With a new Congress and this
president there will be a whole sea change."

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From: jasonl5493@aol.com
Subject: Quayle on Gays Part II
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:40:41 EDT

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Vice President Dan Quayle Tuesday sought to
dissociate himself from alleged "gay-bashing" at the Republican
convention.
   "I don't think you've heard any of that rhetoric coming from me
... (or) the president," Quayle told an unidentified viewer on a
Los Angeles morning television show who questioned the vice
president about "homophobia" at last month's convention in Houston.
    The party's platform, approved at the convention, opposes legal
recognition of same-sex marriages, allowing homosexual couples to adopt
children or treating sexual preference as grounds for
designation for minority status under civil rights laws.
   Quayle said in his acceptance speech at the convention that it
was wrong for parents trying to "raise their children to understand right and
wrong -- only to be told that every so-called lifestyle alternative is
morally equivalent."
   Critics called that "gay bashing," a contention he denied the
next day in a television interview. "I'm just saying that from my
point of view and from the view of most Americans, they think that lifestyle
is wrong," he said at the time. "That's not saying people don't have a right
to make that decision."
   Tuesday, Quayle said on KTLA-TV, "Listen to what the president
says and what I say and more importantly watch what we do. We are the ones
that have implemented a non-discrimination policy when it comes to gays and
lesbians. That is our administration's record and we're proud of that
record."
   The military's ban on homosexuals, which the Bush administration supports
and Democrat Bill Clinton opposes, "is a little bit different issue," said
Quayle, in the midst of a three-day campaign swing in California.
   He said gay voters may disagree with some of the 150 positions
spelled out in the Republican platform, but should vote for Bush if
they agree with him on most issues.
   When the show's co-host, Barbara Beck, said many Democrats who supported
President Reagan also feel left out of the Republican tent, Quayle replied:
   "We have a conservative voice and a conservative philosophy when it comes
to people. ... (But) I just don't buy this idea that we
are excluding."
   "Yes, we have disagreements within the Republican party. Of
course not everyone's going to agree with all the issues in the
platform. As a matter of fact, if you go down all the 150 issues,
I'd even have some disagreements with them," said the vice
president, adding, "I'm not going to share them with you."

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From: DONIZETI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Date: 9 Sep 1992 09:19:39 CDT
Subject: Chuckle or cry--it's up to you

A friend sent me this satirical offering of the Far Right's
     views on a Bill of Rights---Merle



            Far Right's Proposed New "Bill of Rights"

                          Amendment 1
Congress shall make laws compelling the establishment of religion
and demanding the exercise thereof; and abridging the freedom of
speech and of the liberal press; and preventing the people from
peaceful assembly; and forbidding the courts to redress
grievances.

                          Amendment 2
A well-regulated militia being superfluous to the issue, the
people shall be compelled to bear arms and kill each other.

                          Amendment 3
No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house,
without the consent of the owner, unless that house is being used
for the distribution of illegal substances.

                          Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers. and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures,
shall be violated under the excuse of being for the public good,
and no warrants shall need to be issued, but upon probable cause
supported by anonymous sources, any place shall be subject to
search and persons or things seized.

                          Amendment 5
Any person who refuses to testify in court about his involvement
in a crime, shall automatically be judged guilty.  His property
may be seized upon the governments determination that he must be
guilty.

                          Amendment 6
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial before he is found guilty.  He is
entitled to the assistance of counsel for his defense but not for
any appeals.

                          Amendment 7
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall
exceed twenty million dollars, the right of trial by jury shall
be preserved.

                          Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall be required to ensure that the accused are
kept behind bars where they belong.

                          Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall be
ignored if they conflict with the Walton's version of Family
Values.

                          Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, shall be reserved for the Supreme Court, except
that the States shall have the right to ban abortions.


**

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Subject: The L.L. Bean controversy rages on!
From: Larry Bliss <BLISS@MAINE.maine.edu>
Date:    Wed, 09 Sep 92 10:44:28 EDT

Braddlee was right on target when he wrote about LL Bean, and it
was great that he called Bean and took himself off their mailing
list.  We know a lot about Linda Bean here in Maine.  Linda is
running for Congress here in southern Maine, and is V-E-R-Y anti-gay.
Her written materials accuse her opponent (liberal incumbent Tom
Andrews) of being in favor of "manditory gay rights."

Linda sits on the LL Bean board by virtue of her birth.  ALL Bean
cousins are members of the board and shareholders.  But LL Bean does
have a non-discrimination policy that they don't publicly advertise.

If more people called them, they would be forced to "come out" as
liberal and repudiate Linda.  Thanks to Braddlee, and the rest of you
should consider doing the same.  The LL Bean 800 number is open
24 hours a day, so you can wake up in the middle of the night and
call them.  Those of us in Maine would certainly appreciate it!

Larry
*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*

Lawrence Bliss, Director/Advising and Career Services   | Live your life
University of Southern Maine                            |     as an
96 Falmouth Street, Portland, ME 04103                  |   exclamation,
(207) 780-4199                                          |     not an
BITNET: BLISS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU                           |   explanation!
        Bliss%Maine.Bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu

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Date:    Wed, 09 Sep 92 07:52 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Newsweek Cover Story

Just got my copy of the September 14th issue of Newsweek which cover story is
entitled "Gays Under Fire: What America Thinks - A Newsweek Poll".  As it
should come as no surprise, homophobia is alive and well in America.  Here is
just a sampling of the poll results:

        Should homosexuals have equal rights in job opportunities?

                78% Yes  17% No

        Is homosexaulity an acceptable alternative lifestyle?

                41% Yes  53% No

        Are gay rights a threat to the American family and its values?

                45% Yes  51% No

        Should there be legally sanctioned gay marriages?

                35% Yes  58% No

        Should there be adoption rights for gay spouses?

                32% Yes  61%

Basically what the poll found was that an overwhelming percent of the public
believes gays and lesbians should enjoy the same access to job opportunities as
hexterosexuals.  The majority also approved of health insurance and
inheritance rights for gay spouses.  However, on issues close to the emotional
core of family life, the public sentiment cools.

I personally found the article to have a very hateful tone to it.  I'd be
curious to hear what everyone else thought.

Ron Biduk
UCLA Biomedical Library

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: The OCA, The Seattle press
Mime-Version: 1.0

1.  The OCA (Oregon Citizens Alliance) has taken out against the
Springfield, OR, librarian, personally, for accepting a donated copy of
_Daddy's Roommate_, according to the Seattle Weekly.  It's a short
article; I'll type it in later.

2.  The Sunday Seattle paper surprised me with several gay-positive
articles.  Most evident was a huge, full-page-with-pictures, feature (also
hyped on top of page 1) of a gay man who has adopted two kids, one a black
teenager, one the daughter of his deceased lover.  He also has a
20-year-old son of his own.  Very positive article, with many strong
quotes from the kids in support of their father and of gay people in general.

3.  Another regular feature in the Sunday paper is a family feature, with
an in-depth look at some family or other.  Sunday's was, for the second
time in the series, about a gay couple.

4.  On the TV was a feature last night about a 9-year-old boy both of
whose natural parents died of AIDS.  They specified that he go to live
with a gay male couple, which the kid supports as well.  A controversy
erupts, of course.  Good coverage, finishing with a close=up of the boy,
sulky-faced, saying "I like --- and --- and I think it's my business."

Bye for now.

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:43:09 EDT
Subject: ZAP BUSH AND ROBERTSON THIS FRIDAY IN VIRGINIA BEACH

For your info.  Please re-post to any pro-gay newsgroups or BBSs:
     This Friday, 11 September, at about 3:30 p.m., George Bush will speak on
"family values" to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition at Pat's CNN/Founders
Inn complex in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
     Queer Nation/Central Virginia (newly formed) is organizing a protest,
called "the Bushwhack."  Participants will meet in a shopping center lot
nearby and will be shuttled to the demonstration site, where a rally will
occur from 3:00 to 4:00 or 4:30 p.m.  This will be a non-violent protest;
peacekeepers will be present, and civil-disobedience training for any who
desire to get a little more in-their-face will be given prior to the
demonstration.  Also present as an observer will be an attorney from the
ACLU.
     The staging area has not yet been finalized; I'll post again when I have
that info.
     The contact person is Doug Chambers at (804) 971-1620.

Mark, Gay Down South in Dixie

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From: krooks@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (David Krooks)
Subject: Re: World's First Bottom Found in ALPS!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:52:29 GMT

In digest <9209090917.AA00724@gallifrey.kent.edu> gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
writes:

>Reprinted w/o permission from "In", a weekly Boston gay bar rag.
>As Brian Gollum likes to say in his signature: "Se non e vero,
>e ben trovato."

>Otztal Valley, ITALY -- The mainstream media reported widely on "Otzi",
>the 5,477-year-old Stone Age man found mummified in a melting glacier
>high in the Italian Tyrolean Alps.  The U.S. media did not, however, share
>a gripping detail that was reported in Italy, Austria, Switzerland and
>elsewhere: there was sperm in Otzi's anal canal.

>"The Tyrolean scholars have not given this little detail any special
>significance," according to _Lambda Nachrichten_, the magazine of
>Homosexual Initiative Vienna, Austria's leading gay organization,
>"but there can only be one explanation: Otzi had sex with another man
>in the Alps!"

>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."

>Otzi, named for the Otztal Valley on the Italian/Austrian border, was
>found intact from the day he possibly froze to death in a flash snowstorm,
>in 3485 B.C.  He was discovered by hikers.

>Aged 25-35, Otzi was probably a herdsman from a nearby valley settlement.
>He was carrying a copper ax, a quiver and arrows, a dagger with a flint blade,
>a woven grass sheath, and a wooden backpack frame, among other things.

>He had tattoos on his back.  His only jewelry was a small stone disk with thin
>leather strips pulled through it, knotted at the top and free at the bottom.
>His clothes were leather.

>According to the Zurich, Switzerland, newspaper _Blick_: "Since the homosexual
>innuendo has made the rounds, polititians in the North and South Tyrol regions
>suddenly have less interest in poor Otzi.  Even the souvenir business has
>dropped off.  And in Otztal they're afraid they're going to end up being
>called 'Homo Valley'."
>---
>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore '92***
>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
>"In any battle for freedom of identity there can be no distinction between the
> private and the political." --David Leavitt's _Family Dancing_

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:25:10 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: NPR

i heard the NPR interview with the gay couple. it was really good.
let's see what i can remember: they live in washington, dc.
one is a lawyer, the other works for a department store. they
spent a pretty long time emphasizing that they are indeed a family.
there was a little bit where they described all the family pictures on
their mantlepiece. one of them said something really funny,
something to the effect of "i don't know why people don't
think we have family values, i mean we GREW UP in families."
one emphasized that they lead very "normal", leave-it-to-beaver-esque
lives. they come home from work, cook dinner, watch tv, go to bed.
the interviewer asked them what they thought of family values, and
one said, "well, if you believe that family values are caring, love,
committment, then we certainly believe in them, and we
have a great deal of those family values." anyway, i know
NPR sells tapes and transcripts for not very much ($12.00?). sorry i can't
remember their names!

paula
info-25@info.umd.edu

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:35:17 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: re John Collier's last post from Australia

>From: John Donald Collier <jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
>Subject: Victorian discrimination amendments delayed by election
>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:47:21 EST
>
>Legislation to amend the Victorian state Equal Opportunity Act to
>include protection for sexual orientation has lapsed due to an
>impending election. A Gay and Lesbian Electoral Lobby has been
>formed to survey candidates for the Oct 3 election.
>
>Things don't look good, as the economy here has been a disaster
>under the Labour Party, and the Coalition, which is conservative,
>is touted to win, though the leader is very unpopular (and a bit
>of an arse, besides). On the other hand, the Coalition may decide
>to grant us explicit rights for its own reasons.
>
>-
>John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
>HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
>Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052

John, I very much appreciate your faithful resolve in continuing to post
for our
benefit the news from Australia.  In this particular instance, it is
instructive to note that the poor economy is dooming the Labour party and
bringing in the conservative Coalition.  This is instructive for us here
who
are experiencing the opposite: the recession may finally lead to the
electoral upset of the Bush-Reagan-Quayle-Robertson-Buchanan contingent.
However, the message I get from John's post is that we cannot be
complacent...
a bad economy can bring a turn to right or left depending on who is in
office, and a turn to the right on top of an already bad economy could
really be a turn toward fascism.

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