HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James P. Brewer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Keywords: sucks
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:32:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct7.010509.29999@pellns.alleg.edu> leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!


Wow. Where to begin?  It's not everyday one gets an up close look at the truly
moronic.  Perhaps alt.rap isn't the group for you, son.  Maybe you
should check out alt.redneck.asshole, or alt.zepplin.rules.dude.

Jeesh!
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: B-Boys Jimmy James
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:56:55 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- was SLAMMIN'!  The whole LP is cool, expecially the last track 'B-Boy
- Bouillabaisse'.
- 
- On my quest to find EVERY single that the B-Boys have released I found a sing
- called 'Frozen Metal' on a list in an independant cd store.  I ordered it but
- the guy that owned the store had no information on it.  Does anyone out there
- know when it was released?
- 
- If anyone has any information on anything that the Boys have released, leave 
- some mail or post it on here.
- 
- -Jay
- 

I picked up a 12' a few years back called 'Cookie Puss' It has 3 or 4 
tracks on it, and is kinda hype...kinda hard to find it tho..


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ip234@brems.ii.uib.no (Morten Hoff)
Subject: Re: pRINCE
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:21:18 GMT

In article <Bw3H7F.5tu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
|> 
|> 	Has anyone heard that new Prince album yet?  Its not hip-hop,
|> but its not bad.  Its right along the lines of _Diamonds And Pearls_,
|> but is a lot funkier and has more rap tied into it.  


|> 	If you like Prince, like I do this, this album is a slammin'!
|> Personally, I think he's a "musical genius, man"!  


Well, I think Love Symbol misses some of the good ol' Prince sound,
the sound nobody but Prince could make. It's allright to dance to, but I think
a lot of other artists could have made the same stuff just as well.
I've got all Prince's albums, and I don't think he is as good as he used to be.
I liked the pre-NPG sound better. 

Morten Hoff
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 23:50:06 EDT
From: Madison J. Gray <34LI4E6@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Understanding Hip Hop

My Australian brother, if I understand your message correctly, you are trying t
o equate understanding hip-hop with understanding African-American culture. Wel
l for starters, hip-hop culture is a street culture, not a black culture. It is
 an extension of black America, but not every black American relates to or even
 participates in hip-hop, that is a stereotype- so stop watching so much televi
sion. Hip-hop came about in the mid-1970's starting in New York City and spread
 across the country as rap music became more popular.
So, if you want to understand hip-hop listen to more rap music, there are sever
al different genres. But in order to understand the black experience, you hav t
o have lived the black experience, and in most cases that means being black.
Take it from a brother from DETROIT, a city where you can always find a bullet
with your name on it.
         Love, Peace, and Hair Grease-

                                       -Joeski Love
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:04:57 GMT
	<ISBELL.92Oct7150527@panther.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct8.021833.14929@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: agoyo1@gbroagfran.MIT.EDU's message of 8 Oct 92 02:18:33 GMT

agoyo1@gbroagfran.MIT.EDU (Acee Agoyo) writes:
|Charles L Isbell writes (about X-Clan):
|>Bad timing.  Their last album was finished long before it was
|>released, In the interim, other rappers came out with similar samples.

|It is true that the album was finished long before it was released,
|but the samples they used had already been used way before the album
|was finished.  Like on "Exodus."  That has pieces of a samples used by
|D-Nice on "My Name is D-Nice" (1990) and Big Daddy Kane on "Ain't no
|Half Steppin'" (1987).  _X-Odus_ was definitely completed after 1990.
|And on "Fire & Earth" they lift the beat from BDP's "Dope Beat" (1986)
|although its not as noticeable as their other songs.  X-Clan is known
|for using samples that have already been used by other artists.  So
|it's not simply an issue of bad timing, its of bad sampling.

I stand corrected.  Still, considering that we're talking about
"sampling", I find it hard to get irritated so long as:

|>Besides, if it sounds good and is mixed in an original way, who cares?

I think most of the stuff was mixed/sampled in an original way, but
you mileage may vary.

|I liked "Fire & Earth."  I haven't heard much else of the album but I
|don't think Profesor X can rhyme.  He sounds like a rhinocerous with
|a stuffed up nose.  But Brother J can rhyme, don't get me wrong.

Professor X doesn't quite have it.  I think the rhymes are technically
okay, but they just don't come off when he does them.  Brother J, on
the the other hand, could come off reciting the pledge of allegience
backwards in german.

--
Peace.
                    "It's not denial...  I'm just very selective 
                     about the reality I accept."
                              -Calvin
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: ATCQ Hot Sex Video
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <Bvxuy0.M2D@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MC Flexible Flyer) writes:
>I just peeped the video about an hour ago and I was wondering why they 
>made such a wack video.  I saw the movie, and I have no clue as to why 
>Tip is wearing that wack ass Jason mask.  The shiny shirts are strange 
>too.  I wonder if they made that video only for the fact that is was a 
>single for the movie.
>
>
>I am off like a prom dress,
>
>William E. Neuburger, Super Genius
>(Obvious rip-off of Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius)

I saw that video Saturday and with Tip wearing that mask (looked more like
Leatherneck than Jason), I wondered, is that even Q-Tip?  EPMD's, "Rampage,"
did a good job of protraying Cool J, but it wasn't him.  Also, if that was not
Tip in the video, well, why?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY productions
                                            aka Mr. "Learning-That-Some
                                                     People-On-This-Net
                                                     Don't-Know-What
                                                     SARCASIM-Is"
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: More rap reviews?
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:49:51 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


 The discussion on this newsgroup seems to 95% be about American rap.
 It's natural cuz most contributors and rappers are from the US. But
 are you interested in non-US rap music? I've been thinking about
 reviewing non-US hip-hop to make it better known on the net. I'll focus on
 British rap but if I find other interesting material I'll write a line or two
 about it.
 
 If you're interested let me know and I'll post the first review as soon as
 possible. I'm planning to review Stereo MC's latest effort.
 
-- 
********************The revolution will not be computerized*******************
name:Palle Zetterstrand			      e-mail:superfly@etek.chalmers.se
no future without a past"..."There is no future without a past"..."There is no
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Canadian groups
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:29:24 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <70HLsB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
>Whaddya all think of the Canadian groups like 'The Dream Warriors' or 
>'Maestro Fresh Wes' I have seen both live, and have their albums, and I 
>think they are incredibly DOPE! If you haven't heard any of their stuff, 
>I suggest you check out The Dream Warriors debut album, they definitely 

Yeah, the "Ludi" (remix), "My Definition...", "Face in the Basin", "Wash
Your Face in My Sink" and "The Legacy Begins" (or was that the album title?)

>have a style all their own!
>
>C yuh...
>
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

	Don't forget Michie Mee ("Jamaican Funk...Canadian Style!"), and 
the DJ's of Main Source (okay, they were only BORN in Toronto) When is 
the new Dream Warriors due? Too bad they had to get props in England first 
before Canada would take notice. Maestro Fresh Wes ("Conductin' Thangs", 
"Drop the Needle") sounds too much like Big Daddy Kane to stand out...what
about the two rappers from Montreal who were big a while back? I forget their
names. Canadian groups tend to be linked more to the US, England or the
Caribbean than to Canada...

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:31:35 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <fedde.718415156@Moskva>, fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>>
>>UGH??!? Hiphop is about taking from other albums already, you know. If you
>>add something new to it, as X-Clan did on theirs, it's dope enough to keep me
>>happy...

>Yeah, but there should be some sort of limit.  If you can sit there and play
>"Name That Beat From Someone Else's Hip-hop Album less than a year ago" with
>a good portion of the album?!?!  Especially when most of the stuff that they
>do that is original, or at least I can't remember hearing it, is dope!  Look
>at "Fire & Earth"?  Now I'm not saying that this was or was not original, but
>my point is that you didn't immediately go, "Isn't that the same beat from
>what's his name's album?"  And within a minute, you fill in the name!  Even
>if the beats weren't as good, doesn't using beats already fresh in your mind
>take away from the song just as much as a song with a mediocre beat?

>K-Mello

Yeah, using used beats is played out.
F.ex. I listened through a old ELO-record I found a Hell-of-a-dope beat which
I never heard before, but when I played it through the telefone to my rappin'-
friend he started to laugh, and told me this beat was used (in a dope) remix
of 'Because I got it like that'.
It really pissed me off.

A real example: Scenario remix on the 12", really dope but the 'main'
sample is also used by LL in a similar way, it get's me ashamed
when listening to it. 


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From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: Positive K
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:27:20 GMT


     FYI,

       Praise God someone out there likes Pos K too. The "Nightshift" remix
is dope and is CURRENTLY available on a tape maxi-single. The last place I saw
it in Rochester was in a Marketplace Mall store. 

                                        -Roop
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Whut?  Thee Album
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Redman has dropped his solo debut "Whut?  Thee Album" produced by Erick
Sermon and Reggie Noble(Redman).  The album is basically hardcore, with 1 or
2 tracks with smoothed-out beats, no air-play most likely, but smoothed-out
compared to the rest of the album.  The album contains 21 "tracks" with
around 4 of the "tracks" just being little speech, skit type shit.  The album
is pretty decent on a whole.  If you thought the "Funkadelic devil" would have
a lot of P-Funk on the album, you're right.  It also contains some James 
Brown beats.  Basically, if you have heard "Business Never Personal" and
"Times Up", you won't be like "damn that's some funky new shit".  It
definitely has that present EPMD feel to it, which IMO is being heard too
much throughout the Hit Squad family.  My favorite cut off the album is
"Time 4 Sum Aksion", which contains a sample of B-Real from "How I Could...".
The beat is pretty dope, and the lyrics are pretty good, but I particularly
like how at the near end of the song, it starts to fade out and Redman starts
talking, and then the beat comes back in and he starts to rhyme again, but one
of his boys cuts him off telling him he doesn't have to say anymore.  The
subject matter doesn't really change, but the lyrics and delivery keep it
from really getting tired(the subject matter).  E-Double makes an appearance
on "Watch Yo Nuggets", which isn't very impressing, sounding just like every
thing else EPMD has put out recently, including his singing.  

Overall, it isn't a disappointment.  I think it's a solid debut effort, and
would give it a 3/5, maybe a 3.5/5.0 rating.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:46:45 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.rap

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: marky mf mark does it again
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:32:56 GMT

In a way I'm glad Marky Mark has a new album out.  Ya see, I write parodies
of rap, (and satirical originals too), and I've found that the more I hate
the original "artist", the funnier the parody is.  Coincidence?  I doubt it.
Anything on the tape I can make fun of???

                                                   ->Spice
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: bolo
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:59:45 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I'm big on bolo...
Diffinitely supporting it .
Send it to alt.config for response
                                                 -LX
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:52:30 GMT
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) says:

>I suppose I should be happy about this, keeping quality rap out of
>commercials, but why do you suppose this is true?  Does being an ad
>executive automatically prevent you from producing a rap with good
>flavor?
>
>- evan
>
Yep, I think so.  Your average ad executive doesn't know a thing about
the hip hop lifestyle, i.e., the "hood", etc.  What makes you think
he/she can produce a real rap?  I cringe whenever I see one of these
commercials...

Robin
-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: New Source?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:27:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I was wondering if the new issue of the Source was out yet, and if it is, who's
on the cover?  According to the last issue, they were supposed to be talking
about the Presidential campaign.  Since the stores out here haven't received
the new one yet, any info would be appreciated.

Audi 5,000  ...The Minister of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner...
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.config
From: hthornbu@jarthur.claremont.edu (Harvey D. Thornburg)
Subject: Re: bolo
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Darius Land Survey Systems, inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.114806.15542@etek.chalmers.se> superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes:
>In article <Bw2zE0.JCA@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct12.235945.21539@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) writes...
>|> >I'm big on bolo...
>|> >Diffinitely supporting it .
>|> >Send it to alt.config for response
>|> >                                                 -LX                   
>|> >                  
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 	Could someone please clarify what BOLO is?
>|> 
>|> 							cLUELESS  
> 
> As Chuck D said:
> I swing bolos
> When they clear the lane I go solo
>
> I don't know what they're referring to. It could be:
>
> 1) A weapon consisting of two balls connected with a wire. Throw at
> the thing you want to catch and the bolo (hopefully) will entangle the legs
> of your catch forcing it to an abrupt stop.
>
> 2) English comic book hero. He gets involved in very bloody battles.
>-- 
>********************The revolution will not be computerized*******************
>name:Palle Zetterstrand			      e-mail:superfly@etek.chalmers.se
>no future without a past"..."There is no future without a past"..."There is no

(Seriously)
Bolo is a multiuser tank game played on Macs - why is this in alt.rap?
Oh - I get it: Response-Activated Playfields.
How stupid of me.

-H
-- 
|-H                               |  "Sensations as hard to forget |
|(hthornbu@jarthur.claremont.edu) |   as they are to ignore"       |
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: ATCQ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:33:20 GMT

In article <Bw1G9A.n8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>Yo, Can someone school me as to how A tribe called qwest got their really
>WEIRD, but cool, group name?

From what I heard when they were on BET, the Jungle Brothers influenced the
idea of the Tribe as a another term for family, and that was attached to the
Quest idea, which was Q-Tip's.  His idea was that the group was on a quest to
provide the best in jazz-influenced hip hop.  Utterly the two met up on the
Paths of Rhythm, and A Tribe Called Quest was born.

This is what I recall. If anyone had heard anything different, feel free to
post it.
-- 
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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:51:53 GMT
Organization: UB


	A lot of people are sampling recent music lately...like on TLC's
album, they sampled "Peace is not the word to play" and some PE..."Rump-
Shaker" crazy samples famous breaks too...Mary J Blige sampled "Top Billin'"
smoothly...I noticed that D-Nice's "Just Call Me D-Nice" is a popular 
sample this year...

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
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From: agoyo1@yog-soggoth.MIT.EDU (Acee Agoyo)
Subject: Re: House Of Pain sample
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:55:15 GMT

rojohnso@libws1.ic.s writes:
>Hey...
>              The other day, you guys were talking about the house of pain.
>I havent heard anyone else say this, but is it just me, or does that looped   
>scream sample they use sound just like how Prince's Gett Off starts?? I am
>almost sure that its the same scream!  Anyone? Anyone?
No, last time I checked it wasn't the same scream.  The House of Pain sounds
more like a horn.  But if you want to hear Prince's "Gett Off" scream sampled 
in another song, check out the song by Da Lench Mob that comes after "Aint
got no Class."  I forget the title at the moment.  That song samples the
Prince scream and you can _definitely_ tell its the same scream, but its not 
the same as in "Jump Around."

>                                                Peace,
>                                                  RJ
Acee Agoyo
agoyo1, agoyo1@athena.mit.edu
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: re: B-Boys Jimmy James
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:49:26 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct15.183806.18712@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs201127@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs201127) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.044654.3072@cs.mcgill.ca> casey@cs.mcgill.ca (Kallol DAS) writes:
>>Also, is it just me or is 'Check Your Head' just MUCH better than
>>'Paul's Boutique'??  Actually Paul's Boutique was my *first* CD.
>>
>I don't know if I am alone in thinking this but I thought that Paul's Botique
>was SLAMMIN'!  The whole LP is cool, expecially the last track 'B-Boy
>Bouillabaisse'.

Word. I enjoyed "Paul's Boutique" much more than "License to Ill".  The latter
established the B-Boys as some kind of pseudo-party band joke, but the former
really provided a better sampling of what these guys could do in rap.  "Check
Your Head," however, probably is their best, since it was more musically
diverse than the first two.


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From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: Music
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:14:31 GMT

    All these suckers dissin' KRS should remember: KRS is their lyrical father.
KRS taught them the styles that they are now dissing him with. Respect to BDP.


                                         -Roop