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From: kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ulf/Otto (Was Re: Comparison; Was Was Re: Stein)
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:20:43 +0100
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions

In article <allan.711588308@kitscoty>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
> 
> * Joel Otto (Unconcious, after Ulf Samuelson kneed him in the head)
> 
	Wait a minute.  I was under the impression that Otto was injured when 
he slide head first into the boards (That's how it was reported by Clari.s.h). 
 Now I don't remember what caused him to hit the ice, that may have been 
Ulf-induced so I'm not completely absolving him but I think this is incorrect. 
 Or did Otto get injured twice this past year while playing the Pens?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Kurt Wolfgeng Kolasinski
Fritz-Haber-Institut	Abteilung physikalische Chemie
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: New LEAFS jersey (Re: MLG phone number?)
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:51:55 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

>Could someone provide me with the phone number for Maple Leaf 
Gardens. If 
>you have a number for the gift/pro shop, could you send it along?     
        
Speaking of the Maple Leafs Garden's pro-shop, can someone 
tell me if te new Toronto Leafs replica jerseys are available 
yet?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mu.ca>     
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes: Lindros trade complete
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:44:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.175751.10886@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>
>For those who didn't notice the little sports digest blurb in their
>newspaper, arbitrator Larry Bertuzzi has awarded the FLYERS 1994
>first round draft pick (hopefully a very late one :-):-):-) ) and
>the rights to junior league left winger Chris Simon to Quebec to
>complete the trade for Eric Lindros. I didn't think that the FLYERS
>1993 pick would be part of the deal since next years draft is much
>deeper one than this year, and would probably not be equivilant to
>the FLYERS 1992 pick, even as early as the pick was.
>

The Flyers 1993 1st round pick is already part of the deal.

Gerald
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Penguin mascot (was Re: Bowman quits as coach?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:34:53 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:
>(Steve Popovich) writes:
>> I think the Penguin mascot should be "The Penguin", from this summer's
>> hit movie, "Batman Returns".  Having the cinematic "Penguin" as the
>> Penguin mascot would be a fine way to honor the theatrical element in
>> hockey, particularly those dives that Mario does so well :-).
>    You know, somehow this might just work.  After all, we already have the
>Pirates.  Pirates are crooks, right?  And the team got that name because they
>stole [more or less] players from other teams.  So why not, just for mascot
>purposes which is all about hype and publicity anyway, have the penguin be The
>Penguin?

Hey, I think you're on to something!  They have the Stealers too! :-)

And they stole the Bruins colors a few years ago.

And isn't the U of Pitt nickname the Panderers?

Matt
Just kidding.  I know it's the Panhandlers
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: "New Age" Flyers?? ( Was Re: A Lindros prediction...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <oeFkoB2w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
>Haw!  And everyone's favourite Dick will blame Flyers fans for personally
>committing all manner of violent crimes, and whine pitifully when he gets
>called on it, his neck veins bulging and his net.credibility going down in
>insult-sputtering flames.

Hehe.  I wondered if you'd take the bait.  I wasn't sure if you were
had  changed at all during the offseason, and glad to see that you
haven't.  You see, we're looking for a new village idiot in our
neighborhood, and you might be just the sort we're looking for.

>
>Nice to see your bottom is still sore, Dick.  Don't go changin'.

Why do I get the suspicion that you're very familiar with sore bottoms?

rick
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From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: Has Brad Marsh been traded??
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:50:18 GMT


allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>> I was is a bar yesterday (Monday July 20) and there was a TV in the 
>> far corner with TSN's SPORTSDESK on.  Any way, they showed a picture 
>> of Brad Marsh and an Ottawa SENATORS logo -- can I assume he's been 
>> traded? 

> Yes, its true... Brad Marsh has been traded to the Senators by the
> Leafs for 'Future Considerations'.

> Personally, I like Brad Marsh. Although he's rather old, and not
> very mobile, he was pretty steady. (Two seasons ago, he managed
> to get the highest +/- on the Leafs team, at +14. He was also
> used in penalty killing.)

It's always worth watching a hockey game in which Brad Marsh is a
participant, just on the off-chance that he may be selected one of the
game's three stars.  Nobody celebrates a star like Brad.

He's also got way cool hair.  Too bad the Leafs let him go, again.

Murray
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From: std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca (Jason Gibson)
Subject: Re: RANGERS NEWS: Werenka signs new contract
Reply-To: std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.123132.20701@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, romano@monolth.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano) writes:
>
>From today's Newark Star Ledger:
>
>	The New York RANGERS announced yesterday that defenseman Darcy
>Werenka has signed a new contract. Werenka, a defenseman who played 
>junior hockey at Lethbridge last season, is a smooth, finesse-styled
>defenseman who collected 17 goals and 58 assists for 75 points in 69 games
>last season, 2nd among defenseman in the WHL. It is believed by many in 
>the RANGERS organization that Werenka will make the team this fall. 

(stuff deleted)

Way to go Darcy! Best of luck from back home.

Jason
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: "New Age" Flyers?? ( Was Re: A Lindros prediction...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:38:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92Jul21.153200edt.141@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>Prehaps Eric has brought some sort of new found sensitivity to
>Flyer fans? After all, it is the 90's! I remember well the huge
>cheers that could be heard in the Spectrum after Kelly, Saleski
>or Shultz did their thing.
>
>Prehaps I'm wrong. Maybe these cheers were because the beaten,
>bloodied recipient wasn't injured. I'm not sure. 

I'd drop this subject if I were you, Brian.  The Flyers folks don't
like to be reminded of their past.  If you even mention it, one idiot
around here will start vehemently denying it and demand immediate
apologies.

rick

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From: kjgriffi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kevin John Griffith)
Subject: Re: SHARKS NEWS: Sergei Makarov signed to offer sheet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:00:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Jul21.231716.5592@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>The Sharks announced Monday that they have signed right winger Sergei Makarov,
>34, who spent the last three years with the Calgary Flames, to an offer sheet.
>Makarov averaged 25 goals and 53 assists with Calgary for those years.
>
>Director of player personnel Chuck Grillo said that Calgary had offered
>Makarov a 15% raise, but declined to disclose what the Sharks had offered
>Makarov, only saying, "It's safe to say they're going to have to ante up."
>
>Makarov had displayed interest, according to Grillo, in the Sharks to "have
>an opportunity to work with young kids," and so the Sharks think that he can
>help them.  Makarov, since he is over 30, is a Group III free agent, and thus
>can be signed without compensation.
>


Don't expect to see Makarov in a Sharks uniform next season. It
is very likely that the Flames will match the Sharks offer and
keep his services for the Flames.  Makarov played pretty good for
the Flames at the end of last season, and management seems to
feel he can do it again next year. Besides his family is quite
settled in Calgary, and money was his only concern


Kevin Griffith
	kjgriffi@acs.ucalgary.ca
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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: They've moved the Gardens?? (was Re: MLG phone number?)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:07:10 GMT

In article <24JUL92.11189443.0066@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
|> In article <92Jul23.173933edt.166@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
|> >Anyway the Gardens is at 60 College Steet
|> >
|> College Street???  You mean the Gardens is now *WEST* of Yonge?
|> When did they move it?  And how?  When I lived in Toronto, MLG
|> was at 60 Carlton Street.

The last time I was at MLG, it was at Carlton & Church, east of Yonge,
or so I thought.

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Has Brad Marsh been traded??
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:54:23 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>I was is a bar yesterday (Monday July 20) and there was a TV in the 
>far corner with TSN's SPORTSDESK on.  Any way, they showed a picture 
>of Brad Marsh and an Ottawa SENATORS logo -- can I assume he's been 
>traded? 
>

Yes, its true... Brad Marsh has been traded to the Senators by the
Leafs for 'Future Considerations'.

Personally, I like Brad Marsh. Although he's rather old, and not
very mobile, he was pretty steady. (Two seasons ago, he managed
to get the highest +/- on the Leafs team, at +14. He was also
used in penalty killing.)
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:52:30 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <AePJXqy00WBKE1UXxW@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>When players start demanding to renegotiate for LESS money when they
>stink out the joint in a given season, then I'll agree with all this
>renegotiation business.  Lori, I remember you saying something like
>"this sport will bankrupt me yet" when you got your season ticket invoice
>for the upcoming season.  What you are saying above (about Jagr) is a piece
>of the puzzle that will lead to your eventual bankruptcy.

Yes, as a fan I complain about the sky-rocketing price of this sport.  But
I also know that if I was a player, I would probably do the same thing as
Barrasso, Jagr and all the others.  I'd try to get as much money as I could.
I'd be a hypocrite if I said that these guys are wrong.

And I do complain about Bonds, but if he can find a team that's willing to
pay him 30 million, more power to him.  

And as for players giving money back if they have a bad year, why should they?
I've worked with people that didn't deserve the salary they made, yet I didn't
see them returning any money.  Nor did I see them get fired.  So why should
athletes have to it?

Lori






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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Leafs new home
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.123438@beanpot.ma30.bull.com> mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik) writes:
>In article <TsN1NB2w164w@eastern.COM>, leea@eastern.COM (Lee S. Armet) writes:
>|>  The Toronto Maple Leafs could have a new home to play in as early as
>|>1994. There is a proposal in to build a new multi-purpose centre at the
>|>sight of the Canadian National Exhibition's Exhibition Stadium that will
>|>house 20,000 fans for hockey, 24,000 for basketball, and 30,000 for music
>|>concerts.
>
>Who is paying for this and what is the projected cost?  After the SkyDome
>disaster, I would be surprised to hear that they're going to come right
>back and build another arena.
>

The proposal is for a privately financed arena...

>That's assuming one agrees SkyDome was a disaster...I think the book is out.
>It could be enough of an attraction to eventually be worth it.  Plus I sure
>would like to see them take advantage of that supposed capability to play
>hockey inside it in front of 50,000-plus people.

The Skydome isn't a financial disaster...in fact, as a building, it is
a huge success...the trouble with the Skydome is that the business
community took the taxpayer for a ride...they wasted money (because
the government had guarenteed the loans) on the hotel and things like
the fitness center.              

The Skydome generates huge revenues...just not enough to cover the
the interest payments on the huge and much of it, unnecessary debt.
On a pure operating basis, it has a very good positive cash flow.

If you take away the money wasted on extravagances like the hotel
and the fitness club which lose money, and add the money that wasn't
raised because there wasn't competitive bidding for the concession
rights and such...the Skydome would be a profitable building.  It
is only a fiscal boondoggle because of the debt overhang.

Organizations like McDonalds and Coke obtained exclusive and cushy
concession and advertising deals without having to bid against
Burger King and Pepsi...an old boys network in the business
community got together on this deal and screwed the taxpayer.

There was no need for public money for such a facility, and there
certainly is need for public money for a smaller facility like the
proposed arena.

Gerald
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From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel)
Subject: NHL player Stats
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:25:43 GMT

I am looking for the NHL players stats from the 91-92 season. Could someone mail it to me?

Someone mailed me the goalie stats couple of weeks ago, but I lost the address
whoever sent me that, can you please mail me the stats?

Thanks

KING COBRA
From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Baldwin on rule committee
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <1992Jul23.163230.20323@btree.uucp>, terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen)
writes:
|>
|>3) Hockey is very expensive.  Much more so than baseball, basketball or
|>football.  Here in San Diego, it can cost upwards of $100/month per kid
|>just for ice time.  This makes the pool of kids small and thus, in order
|>to play, they must travel, increasing the cost.  In Canada, and in some
|>NE states I believe, Arenas are treated like parks, baseball fields,
|>etc.  They are owned by the city and subsidized, thus costing very
|>little for kids to play.  There are more kids playing and it becomes
|>much easier to find used equipment, which also keeps the cost down.

The sad fact is that in New England, hockey is becoming more and more of
an elitist sport every year.  Besides the costs to outfit a young player,
the financial difficulties faced by the NE states, Massachusetts in particular,
have resulted in skyrocketing prices for ice time, even at public rinks,
which are becoming run down and poorly taken care of.  The better young
players are more often than not the ones whose parents can afford to buy
them the best equipment, place them in the best and most expensive programs,
get them the best offseason training, get them ice at the best privately-run
arenas, etc.  

Look at where the top Massachusetts players come out of now.  It's not like 
it was in the early 80s and before when you had John Carter out of Woburn High,
Tom Barrasso out of Acton-Boxboro Regional, Jon Morris out of Chelmsford High, 
Tom Glavine out of Billerica High, etc. - all public schools.  The best
players, once they reach high school, desert the public schools if they can
for the private Catholic and prep schools.  Very few public high schools in
Mass. can field teams now that compete with the private schools.  If you look
up and down the roster of schools like Boston College, almost every kid is from
a prep school or Catholic school.  That's because that's where the best
players go.

I do think kids should take advantage of the best chances they have, but I
know of too many who never had a chance to get into hockey at a young age,
right in this area, because their families just could not afford it.  And it
is getting worse.  It is just not like the fairy-tale stories of the kid
growing up on a pond or a farm in New England and working his way to stardom.
It just does not work that way anymore.
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 == 508-294-2177                     300 Concord Road   MA30-836A     ==
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL GAMES IN PHX
From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:28:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.


On of our local newspapers stated that there will be two regular season
NHL games staged in Phoenix this upcomming season.  It also stated that only 
one of the games will envolve the Kings.

We have had exibition games the past three years that have all been sell-outs.
The paper made it sound as if the NHL is looking to expand/relocate here in the
near future especially since the new America West Arena has opened which seats
about 20,000 for hockey.

I will report more as I hear it. 
(It could just be optimism on the reporters part!)

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When I asked a Chinese Malay if he was going to give blood for a Blood Drive 
he said:
"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
                               .....Unless there's money to be made from it!"
Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

George James Lloyd 
Motorola Microcomputer Division
2900 S. Diablo Way       DW234
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From: clare@bissun.kodak.com (Bill Clare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Black road jerseys (was Re: Flyers jersey?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:44:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul29.234444.7605
Organization: Eastman Kodak

Actually, the Penguins did not copy the Bruins colors, as many folks think.
The Penguins copied the Steelers and Pirates, both of whom use black and gold,
both of whom won their respective league championships in 1979.  The Penguins
were trying to cash in on their success a little.

billc
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:00:00 GMT

In article <92204.142620RSK113@psuvm.psu.edu> RSK113@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>    However, Bonds is a proven choke artist. Two years in a row he has
>disappeared come playoff time.

Interesting definition of the word "proven".  

> Now he is asking to be the highest payed
>player in the league.  By contrast, both Barrasso and Jagr, more than once
>each in the last two playoff years, have risen to the occasion and "saved"
>the teams' hope of winning the championship.

The point of the original poster is that Bonds has yet to ask that a
contract that he signed in good faith be torn up and renegotiated, yet he's
labeled "greedy", while Jagr is asking that the contract he agreed to be
redone before it's term has expired.  Bonds has not made contract demands
on the Pirates, he has not held out of spring training nor threatened; all
he's said is that he intends to pursue his options in the free agent market
this fall.  Barrasso has threatened to stay out of training camp if his
contract situation isn't settled.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bowman and bucks (Was:Re: Pens coach-No news is...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:03:39 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <IePJQBa00WBK01UWMX@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>This comes from the 7/21/92 Pgh Post Gazette NEWSFAX:
>
>"A rumor making the rounds is that Scotty Bowman has told the Penguins'
>front office he does not wish to coach again.  The rumor is false.  What
>Bowman has indicated is that he does not want to return to the bench unless
>he is one of the highest paid coaches in the National Hockey League.
>
>Whether that is a distinction without a difference remains to be seen.
>If he does not coach, Bowman will go back to the front office and resume
>the role of Craig Patrick's right-hand man."

Actually, this is old news.  I posted excerpts from a Bowman interview shortly
after the Stanley Cup, in which he said that if he was paid "like Pat Riley
or Chuck Daley" he would consider staying on as Pens coach.  If I remember
correctly, the interview was in USA Today.

Word is that he really doesn't want to coach, but if he has the chance to
become the highest paid coach he'll take it.

>Well, if your team is filled with prima donnas your coach might as well
>be one, too.

There was a time I would never come to the defense of Bowman, but what a 
difference a Cup makes. :-)  I say give the old boy his due.  And millions,
too.

Lori
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From: by006@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott A. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Michel "Bunny" Larocque dead at age 40.
Reply-To: by006@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott A. Anderson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:49:53 GMT


In a previous article, lavergne@bcarh787.bnr.ca (Marc Lavergne) says:

>I am sad to announce that Bunny Larocque died yesterday
>at the very young age of 40. His death was caused by 
>skin cancer. Sadly enough, he found out he had skin
>cancer only 3 months ago. It was already too late. 
>
>He leaves behind his wife and 3 children.
>
>I believe he played 7 years for the Habs. Perhaps someone
>could post his lifetime stats.
>
>
>
Michel Larouque played in goal for Montreal, Toronto, Philadelphia and
St. Louis in his 11 year NHL career from 73-74 to 83-84.

Lifetime Stats:

Games Played: 312 Regular Season (14 Playoffs)
W-L-T: 160-89-45 (6-6-0)
Goals Against: 978 (37)
Average: 3.33 (2.92)
Shutouts: 17 (1)
No. of Stanley Cups: 4
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