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From: Jon.Hubbard@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jon Hubbard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Logging
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:17:33 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

    Hello, from Bonners Ferry, Idaho.  Bonners Ferry is located
thirty miles from the Canadian border.  One environmental issue
that is going on right now involves logging and the appeal
process.  Lots of Bonners Ferry's industry involves logging.
Although we do not have to worry about the spotted owl the
environmentalists have found other ways to slow logging down.
The environmentalists no longer only appeal the big sales, but
they now try to prevent any sale from going through.  They want
complete stoppage of timber sales.  In a county of about 10,000
there are about 12 people who abuse the appeals process and
appeal every sale for no reason, other than they want no logging. 
 
In my opinion loggers are the best environmentals.  They know
better than anyone else that if they don't manage the forests
right they are going to lose jobs.  Maybe people don't realize
that for every tree they cut down many more are planted.  Logging
has also helped the elk and deer populations.  Loggers are not
destroying the environment as environmentalists claim they are.
I was just wondering what other people around the United States
think about logging and other issues such as these. 


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From: James.Aitchison@p4.f85.n134.z1.fidonet.org (James Aitchison)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Interactive Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:43:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/85.4 - Western Canada DATA, Stavely Alta

Hi Lowell.....

17 Nov 92, Lowell Herr writes to All:

 LH> If there are "pros" using Interactive Physics, I would sure appreciate
 LH> help knowing how to make the pulley system operate.  That icon acts more
 LH> like an anchor when I use it.  Be as descriptive as possible if you have
 LH> it operating. Thank you in advance.

Is this a computer program?  If so, who makes it and is it available for IBM's?

Chow for now ....

James.....


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From: jcarver@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Jennifer Carver)
Subject: Owl pellet analysis
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:14:28 GMT

Our 7th grade life science classes dissect owl pellets each
year in our unit on predator/prey dynamics. Am interested in
knowing if anyone is presently exchanging data and activities
on similar studies.  Please respond to:  J. Carver
                                         Page Middle School
					Gloucester County, VA
jcarver@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu  
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From: Adam.Clark@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Adam Clark)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: human evolution
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:17:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Hello, my name is Adam Clark. I'm from Bonners Ferry, Idaho.
Right now my Advanced Biology class is studying human evolution.
I know over the years, Paleoanthropologists, scientist who study
human evolution, have found many skeletal fossils. They have
classified seven hominid species. They are: A. afarensis,
A. africanus, A. robustus, A. boisei, A. habilis, H. erectus, and H. sapiens.
Each specie has different characteristics such as cranial
capacity, pelvis stucture, and height. The smallest specie in
cranial capacity and height is the A. afarensis - to the largest
in cranial capacity and height, the specie H. sapien. My
question is, why at each evolution stage did the next species
grow in height and cranial capacity? Will the future man be
taller and gain cranial capacity in time? Please Respond!
                   Adam Clark



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From: kwilson@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Kenneth D. Wilson)
Subject: Re: comets
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:54:33 GMT

Astronomers David Jewitt and Jane Luu, using the University of
Hawaii's 88-inch telescope atop Mauna Kea in Hawaii, discovered
what appears to be an giant comet nucleus in the Kuiper Belt on
September 14th.  The object is designated 1992 QB1.  It has a
slow orbital motion (implying a distance of 37 to 59
astronomical units from the Sun) in the prograde (same as the
planets) direction.  Its current magnitude is 23.5.  This
brightness at that distance implies an object roughly 100 miles
across.  Whether this object is a comet or an asteroid is yet
to be determined.  If a comet, it is unusually large.  Most
comet nuclei are aprox. 10 to 15 miles in diameter.  Chiron has
usually been described as an asteroid although it has an
unusual orbit for an asteroid.  Although it may have been
perturbed into its current orbit from the Kuiper Belt,
currently it's not a member of the Kuiper Belt.

I hope this is of some help.     

x  Ken Wilson				x
x  Director				x
x  Ethyl Universe Planetarium		x
x  Science Museum of Virginia		x
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From: Roger.Buck@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Roger Buck)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Galileo
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 09:48:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

Hehe... just thought I would do my bit to stir the pot:

This msg of 15th November 1992 was :

  from:  Peter Macinnis                
  to:    Bruce N. Baker                
  area:  SFN MATH SCI HIS History of maths and science

# BNB>I heard that the Roman Catholic Church is about to "pardon" Galileo.
# BNB>Gee, do you think it's about time or what ?
# 
# It depends on what they are pardoning him for.  If it is for his
# atrocious bad manners and overbearing, bloody-minded, total, and abject
# failure to suffer fools gladly, then no, it's not about time.
# 
# The stories about Galileo are many, and it seems, mostly very, very
# dubious.  He never dropped balls from the tower of Pisa: he had no need
# to, for he knew the answer already.  He never timed that candelabra:
# according to Arthur Koestler, it was installed some years later.  He
# never invented the telescope: Lippershey did that.  He never murmured
# "eppur si muove", it seems, and he was not cast into prison for his
# views: he was given "formal prison" (where he could work and receive
# visitors, and then he drifted off to home again, and he was supposed to
# do a round of penitential psalms, but his daughter did those for him.
# Yes, his books were on the banned list, but that never hurt anybody's
# sales: look at James Joyce!
# 
# Proof for the doubting:
# My 17-year-old nephew, a notoriously anti-intellectual youth, who cares
# only for money (he will no doubt be a successful merchant banker or
# pimp), spied my copy of "Ulysses" on the shelvges, and asked to borrow
# it.  Only, I told him, when he has demonstrated his readiness by
# presenting evidence of reading "Portrait of the Artist" and "Dubliners".
# The little beast had heard that it was a notoriously dirty book, and
# wanted to read the smutty bits.  For that, he can buy his own paperback
# copy, not damage the spine of my hardback edition as he photocopies
# Molly's soliloquy. That is what comes of giving him to the Jesuits, but
# only after he was seven <g>.
# 
# Which last point is strangely relevant: the Jesuits knew Galileo was on
# the right track, and used him from the start, so it is only parts of the
# church which are now forgiving him.  Galileo's crime, you see, was
# sticking thistles up the stuffed shirts of the Vatican hierarchy at a
# difficult time in European history.
# 
# Okay, that should be enough to start a few threads! <g>
# 
# peter
# 

##MMR 2.41#. 



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From: Melinda.Wilmot@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Melinda Wilmot)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: epilepsy
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:08:36 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

I am a senior at Bonners Ferry High School.  My little cousin,
who is now six years old, was diagnosed with having varies forms
of epileptic seizures at the age of nineteen months.  He recently
underwent laser brain surgery, at USLA Medical Center, in hopes
of controlling his seizure activity.  He has had grand mal and
petit mal seizures.  He has also suffered with what his doctors
term as drop seizures.  These seizure attack with no warning or
notice and have made it necessary for him to were a crash helmet
whenever he is not in bed.  He also has seizures that affect his
motor skills.  All these seizures over the last four in half
years has slowed his learning capacity.  I am interested in
learning more about epilepsy, its causes and its cures.  I am
also interested in knowing the outcome of the laser brain
surgery, if it is successful and if it stops the seizure
activity.  If you have any information on these topics and would
appreciate the knowledge.  Thank you. 


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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Chaos, eventually...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:13:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

On 11-20-92, LOWELL HERR wrote to JOHN CRULL:

>-------------------------------------
Red box from QRM and before that I think it was a  blue box from somewhere in Maryland.
>-------------------------------------

Maybe the "blue box" was from EduTech - I seem to remember their interface box being blue; I think they made everything by hand and worked out of a professor's spare bedroom or garage.  Don't know whatever happened to EduTech; Vernier keeps going strong though.

When we started interfacing, we were calling it a solution looking for a problem, however, if IC black boxes become the default instruments for collecting data, I suppose there's nothing more or less mysterious about how an interfaced thermistor gives us information than how a thermometer gives it to us.  When required to explain how the measuring device works, the thermometer still is easier to interpret.

Another example:  your motion detectors.  Which makes "time" and "motion" more accessible to a student: (a) a sweep second hand or, (b) a digitial timer?  I don't know - good research topic for someone!  Consider the oscillations of a spring - do you hand clock a given number of oscillations or do you let a photogate and a timing routine take care of the data collection for you?  If the measuring device plays little role in understanding the subject of discussion I say go the interfacing route because it's





 more fun for the teacher.  All things being equal, ALWAYS do what's fun for the teacher - otherwise we burn out.  :-)

     ---------------------------CHAOS-------------------------------

HOT TIP:  I'll answer my own question.  If you make a crude relay from a coil of wire, big nail, a paper clip and a strip from a steel biscuit can, you can make the steel strip oscillate in predictable periodic fashion OR  you can send it into oscillations that appear chaotic.  Whether or not this simple device is a good candidate for a study of chaos in the High School classroom is another of those items I've put on the back burner, but the most efficient way to accumulate and analyze the data is via inte





rfacing!!!  I'll send you a drawing if you're interested - I need a mailing address for you.  I haven't figured out how to include a sketch as part of an email message.

Thanks for the workshop info; keep us posted.   John Crull/TAS

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From: mhlavac@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Mary Hlavac teacher NRCC)
Subject: Re: shoes
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 03:10:01 GMT

Mike.Peterson@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org  writes:
> Hello, My name is Mike Peterson. I am 15 years old and am attending
> high school in Northern Idaho in the United States. I have recently
> thought about the price of shoes and was curios if a pair of shoes
> was worth 75 to 130 dollars. I am looking for information on how a
> shoe is built and your opinion on the subject.  Please fill out my
> small yes or no survey.
>  
> 1)   Do you think shoes cost too much?
>  Yes
> 2)   Is a pair of shoes worth 75 to 130 dollars?
>  No
> 3)   Do yor really need an " air pocket" or" window" in the rear of
> the shoe?
>  No
> 4)   How much do you spend on your shoes?
>  20-45$
>      Thank you very much
>                          Mike Peterson
> 
> 
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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: applied physics
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:14:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > JCFor more lab ideas, take a look at Prentice Hall's
 > JCIntroductory Physical Science II (Book I is a hands-on
 > JChistorical approach to chemistry with a heavy emphasis on
 > JCphysical properties, while Book II contains some physics
 > JCexperiments you won't find in many other sources).

John,  It is rare to find someone using PS II materials.  We have used it
 since the late '60's when we were a pilot school.  It is a super program if
 you can do lots of lab work with your students.  As the physics teacher, I
 just love the PS II material.  It is perhaps the best thought through
 curriculum I have ever worked with.

Lowell


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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: applied physics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:24:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

On 11-15-92, LOWELL HERR wrote to JOHN CRULL:
>-------------------------------------
 I just love the PS II material.  It is perhaps the best thought through  curriculum I have ever worked with.
>-------------------------------------

I've taught science for nearly 20 years in grades 8 - 12; Chem/ Phys/ Electronics/ entertainment level/ AP/ IB/ ....  A student in one of my class is in lab heaven.  If there were Prentice- Hall profiles in magazines like you see for Dewar's Scotch it'd read like:

JOHN CRULL:   HOME: Taipei, Taiwan & Williamsburg, VA.  AGE: garbled.  PROFESSION: School Teacher.  HOBBY: Windsurfing.  LAST BOOK READ: Zen and the Art of Windsurfing.  LATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT:  Addressed an email message correctly.  WHY I DO WHAT I DO: Money.  QUOTE: "The first full-featured QWK reader for the Mac."  PROFILE:  Finger on the pulse of sci. ed.; insomniac.  HIS CURRICULUM: Home-made and includes PSII !!!

[Sound of lips smacking] "....ahhhh, Prentice-Hall."  But, I use the 1993 Heath Chemistry text for my Chem students.  Can't tell you much about their support material because, so far, it's like vaporware - didn't arrive with the student texts - still waiting.  The teacher text has barcodes that help you call up AV support from an Optical Data laser disk.
 I'll get excited about CD ROM when I can get an IMAX screen and projector for my classroom.  I figure with CD ROM, a big screen, a Sharp LCD video projector, or better yet, one of those US$100,000 home cinema systems, my students will become super problem solvers!  No way they're going to get there stuffing D-cells into cardboard tubes, huh? :-)

Did you catch Juliana Texley's editorial in October's The Science Teacher?
 Brave woman stirring up the let's/let's not track kids debate....

The Catlin Gabel School BBS #2 - is that where you teach and do you all run your own BBS from your school?

John Crull, Taipei American School, 800 Chung Shan N. Rd. Sec. 6, Taipei, Taiwan 111 ROC.    john.crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org

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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Interfacing, bbss, etc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:16:00 PDT
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On 11-17-92, LOWELL HERR wrote to JOHN CRULL:
>-------------------------------------
Interested in coming to Oregon for a computer interfacing workshop? <grin> Would be a long way.
>-------------------------------------

Long way from where ...........?

Years ago (about 8 or 9) I started interfacing lab exercises to an Apple IIe.  Went to an interfacing workshop at Northeastern in Boston - became inspired to get more electronics training - now suffering from info overload - so many interesting things to pursue, so little time.  How often do you hear that lament?

Nevertheless, when is your workshop?  Are you interfacing PCs, Macs, an eclectic mix?  If it's in the summer, I can use it as an excuse to come out and windsurf the Gorge - visit friends on the way.

>------------------------------------------------------- The latter is really the On-Line Mutual Fund Newsletter.
>-------------------------------------------------------

We have a small faculty investment club - along the lines of the "Billionaire Boys Club."  We get an amount of play money to invest at the beginning of the year; check to see who's ahead at the end - trade tips and info in the intervening months.  Our real money we sock away into more conservative places than the play money!  Mr. Orensky, our AP/IB Chem teacher this year, recommends one of Jardine Fleming's "China Funds."  Not sure which one, because I don't listen to his advice with 100% attention (he was

 also long on the British Pound) - maybe it's a small cap China Fund - he says it's been hot all year, which I translate to mean, "You may have missed the bandwagon!"

This is a thread that probably belongs over in TCH-CHAT, but I don't feel motivated to split my message and use up my only two Freddie responses (the passwords I received don't work).

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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: FOUCAULT PENDULUM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:52:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

The period of rotation is given by 24/sin L, where L is the latitude in
degrees.  At the equator, the period is infinite, at the poles, it is 24
hours . . .

To get really confused, read Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" which
will tell you nothing at all about the pendulum, but give you lots of
fun.

peter

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From: Jerry.Fleming@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Fleming)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: download
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 20:01:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

How can I increase my time on line.  I have tried to download 
"calculus.zip" but I'm informed that I dont have enought time.
thanks
jerry fleming


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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Frogs
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:23:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

JC>My name is Jonathan Crombie and I am seventeen years old.
JC>I find a great interest in frogs and I enjoy keeping them. I
JC>was wondering if you couid possibly write to me and tell me more about how I
JC>can become involved in researching and looking after their environment.

I have a standard info file on frogs/Frog Watch that I can send if you
have not already seen it: I think I have already sent it once in this
echo.  BTW, is Mr Gesthuizen going to let you loose on Frog Watch
through Keylink, or is he waiting until it comes up on FidoNet?
peter macinnis at the Australian Museum
(well, at home on leave, actually, building and painting things: back in
a week or so . . .)

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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Books
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 08:22:00 PDT
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On 11-1192, JON CHURCH wrote to ALL:
>-------------------------------------
A few of my suggestions:
  Any Martin Gardner book (puzzles etc)
>-------------------------------------

You like Martin Gardner?  I hope you have a copy of "The Relativity Explosion."  Great primer for special and general relativity - reading level is appropriate for your target audience.

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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Interactive Physics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:22:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > JA LH> If there are "pros" using Interactive Physics, I would sure
 > JAappreciate
 > JA LH> help knowing how to make the pulley system operate.  That icon acts

Interactive Physics is a first rate simulation program available only on the
 Mac.  It is coded by Knowledge Revolution.  PASCO Scientific markets it but I
purchase it directly from the company.

Lowell


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From: gpavlik@cwis.unomaha.edu (Gregory Pavlik)
Subject: Re: JUNIOR SCIENCE
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:46:44 GMT
From: Jessie.Bailey@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jessie Bailey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: UFO's
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:46:19 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

To all interested:
 
        Hello.  My name is Jessie Bailey.  I am a senior in
highschool.  I attend Bonners Ferry High School which is located
in Northern Idaho.  I am extremely interested in UFO's and have
been for quite some time now.  What I am looking for is any
information on UFO's and I am especially interested in any
information of actual UFO sightings.  Here, in Bonners Ferry,
Idaho, I have only heard of one UFO sighting, but that is
questionable.  I have heard many rumors from television and
magazines that the government is withholding valuable
information on UFO's.  If anyone has any knowlege of this, I
would be grateful for your input.  Personally, I feel that
anything is possible, and it would not surprise me if in fact,
UFO's do exsist.  I have many questions about this subject, for
example:  why is it that UFO sightings tend to be most common in
certain areas, and is it possible that every one of the
thousands of sightings have been either a mistake or a hoax?
How are the mysterious pictographs of pressed wheat in the
fields of England explained?  I am interested in any opinionated
or factual information on UFO's.  Thank you for your time. 


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