From: yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh)
Subject: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.132338.11636@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu wrote:

+horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes: 
+> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
+> <1. India and Mexico have more "freedoms" than China, why didn't they
+> <   go there?
+> 
+> Very good point.  I ran a little experiment a few years ago by asking these
+> FGNCZ whether they'd go to Bangladesh if no other country would offer them
+> "protection".  The results?  Not one was willing to go to Bangladesh.
+> Interesting, isn't it?  I'd go anywhere if my life were truly in danger.
+
+But you won't go a more dangerous place.  People have some impression that

	Good statement!  In Jun 4 1989, TAM was a dangerous place, why did they
	go?

+Bangladesh is not a safe place either.  As for India and Mexico, that question
+is not valid for expected answer.  I know someone personally who went to
+Mexico from China and didn't want to go back.  Of course he'd like to come
+
+You can't put freedom and money separately.  Both are goals of people's

	If you are right, then, why should CCP give freedom to those
	who owe CCP money and are not willing to return?

+dreams of life.  We fight for freedom, we fight for money, we fight for fame.
+If we don't fight, we end up having a miserable life, if we fight, we have
+a meaningful life.  You two guys are no different, but not brave enough
+to admit that you ARE fighting for money, AND freedom, AND fame, AND all
+those things that you deem others are lying to be doing.
+
+> <2. In China, people cannot pursue what they want by people themselves,
+> <   because of CCP.  Hey!  In the US, there is no CCP in power, why don't
+> <   they get green cards by themselves rather than thru "I don't like to
+> <   go home, becasue those CCP guys will bet me".
+> 
+> _Tong4kuai_!
+
+Presumably being able to go though "I don't like to go home, becasue those CCP
+guys will bet me" to get green card in the US,  is BETTER than not being able
+to do anything for youself in China.

	Since they are making this type of choice, why should they label
	themselves as democrazy fighters?

+> <3. maybe CCP owe your parents something, but that's the deal between
+> <   CCP and your parents.  The issue is: did YOU return what you owe
+> <   to CCP as yet?
+> 
+> Good question, Shannon.  But you have to get even more basic than that.
+> Past discussions on SCC have revealed that many SCCers *deny* owing anything
+> to the CCP or their _tong2bao1men_ in China.
+
+The point is that your parents have this God-blessed RESPONSIBLITY to raise
+kids, and don't expect them to return.  That is why the kids don't owe thier
+parents who in turn paid IN FULL and probably are STILL PAYING their kids'
+educational cost and other misc cost to their "_tong2bao1men_" or CCP or
+whoever you'd like to designate.

	So, you are still in the traditional family-oriented business--
	"CCP owe my father money, therefore, i will not return what I owe
	to CCP". 

	Further, your father propably have NOT label himself as democrazy 
	fighter yet.

+However, you have a heavenly responsibility to raise your own kids, and if
+you don't work for China, your kids have no rights whatsoever to get anything
+from China.  OK?
+
+If you work for China, your kids have RIGHTS to get what you've worked for!!!

	If you eat China,. your kids can eat China, too?

+> <4. China become democratic first, or you go home to join the construction
+> <   of a democratic system for China first?
+> 
+> Or would they stay here no matter what the political situation in China?
+
+That's why there are many people RETURNED to China in the 50s.  Is there
+a call for "the construction of a democratic system for China" now??? !!!

	I have called for several times.

shannon
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