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From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on which bicycle rack to purchase wanted.
Keywords: rack
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.204843.15273@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
 [origninal posting deleted] 
>
>Thule, thule, thule.  I bought mine about a year ago.  It was pretty 
>expensive for a one bike setup ($260), but the sucker is made to last 
>through a nuclear war.  I have had great customer support from Thule also.  
>When a friend of mine's Thule rack, OUT OF WARRANTEE, broke and our bikes 
>flew off and crashed down the highway at 55 MPH, Thule reimbursed us with a 
>check for $500.  Not bad if you ask me.
>
>-=Jeff
>jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu

If your rack is 'made to last through a nuclear war', then how/why did your 
friend's rack break...did the rack have a failure or was in installed 
improperly or what happened?....also, I am assuming from the amount you spent
that you are refering to the roof rack, correct?....these are sincere questions
and not meant as a flame in any way....I have a roof rack and am curious if 
there is something out there that I may need to be aware of so that my bikes
don't fly off (one of my most parinoid fears)....

I agree it's great that you got reimbursed for $500 if that's what your bikes
were worth....was this for the rack or the bikes?....unfortunately for me
though my bikes and a couple grand a peice and $500 would only cover the broken
rack and not much more....

Thanks for the info,
Shadan
ardalan@astrosun.aero.org
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Welcome to rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:19:39 GMT

I'm pleased to see that this group is alive and well.
Here, in case you don't remember, is the charter.

rec.bicycles.marketplace: Bicycles, components, ancillary equipment and
services wanted or for sale, reviews of such things, places to buy
them, and evaluations of these sources.  Not for discussion of general
engineering, maintenance, or repair -- see rec.bicycles.tech.

Note that postings of articles on things for sale or wanted should
generally not be cross-posted to other rec.bicycles.* groups.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
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From: rah@limpet.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael seungwon rah)
Subject: HYBRID BIKES
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:28:08 GMT



What exactly is a hybrid bike ?


Thanks
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From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Davidson 54cm frame for sale
Keywords: frame, sale, 54
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:02:34 GMT

Greetings.

New frame for sale.  Davidson Stiletto, 54cm center to top.

For those unfamiliar with Davidsons or the Stiletto model:
Davidsons are handbuilt frames made in Seattle.  They are
regarded to be in the same class (and price) as Serottas, 
Fusos, etc.  My experience supports this.  All Davidson
bikes use Tange SuperPrestige oversized tubing.  The Stiletto
is a criterium bike, w/slightly steeper angles than the road
model they make.

This frame is brand new, and comes WITH a Stronglight Delta
headset.  Deltas use cyclindrical bearings instead of ball
bearings, which increase the lifetime of the headset, partic-
ularly if aero bars are used, since the load at an increased
distance from the headset means more torque, and leads to the
typical "index steering" symptom.

Color is a really nice pearlescent white (w/clearcoat) with
black decals.

Price: $700 o.b.o.  (IMHO, a screaming steal, since the frame
retails for $1100, the headset $65.

mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.23.47)


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From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on which bicycle rack to purchase wanted.
Keywords: rack
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:26:45 GMT

Okay, I guess I'll add my own opinion to this.  About six months ago I asked
wreck.bikes about which rack I should buy.  Almost everyone told me Yakima
Yakima, Yakima.  My bike shop said the same thing.   I did investigate both
companyies' racks to a certain extent, and they're very similiar.  
Both a very strong, well made, and very expensive.  I do think that
the Yakima rack has a few better features.

All the metal parts have this yellow tinge.  I think they've
been heat treated or something, but the result is that they won't rust
at all.  I've had the rack on my car the whole six months now.  It's rained
quite heavily this summer in Illinois yet there's onyl a little rust that
developed insid the two cross bars.  All the external parts are fine.
A friend of mine has a Thule rack, his quick release squewers and springs
rusted to nothing.  He can only keep the rack on his car when he's tranporting
his bikes.  
Another this to consider is that round bars are stonger than square
ones.  I may only have two mounts on my rack but what if I was to 
put four racks up there plus even more wheel mounts.  That would be a lot
of weight.  In the instructions forr my Yakima, it says each bar can
hold up to 100 pounds.  
Another issue is security.  The four towers (things that hold the bars to
the car roof) are locked in.  BUt the rest is just screwed on.  Yakima
now has lockable screw type things that will lock the bike mounts to
the rack.  Then of course there's the cable that locks to a tower. As
soon as I get more money I'm going to look into this.  Also, the
locks for the mounts can be made to use the same key as you already have.
It'll take a day longer to get it from Yakima though.  All this lock
stuff I read in an ad in Velo News.  I have no idea about the security
features of the Thule rack.`

One last thing.  I have a Ford Escort.  With the rack on it, I think
it's a really cool looking car.  It's no Ferrari but it gets me to
work and weekend races.  A friend actually thinks my car looks cute.
To me, the Escort without a rack looks kind of weird.  Well, maybe I'm
just weird.
The Thule rack has a lower profile though.  It's looks kind of interesting,
and I wouldn't be suprised if it has less drag than the Yakima.  

Sure both racks are expensive but look what you're transporting.  
Oh, since I bought my Yakima I've used it every day during the week to
drive my bike to and from work.  (that's 60 miles a day)  My last co-op
term for two months and this whole month I've been doing that.  And
during the summer I drove typically 200 miles per trip on weekends to races
all over Illinois, almost every weekend.  I don't know that anyone uses their
rack more other than maybe Subaru-Montgomery, or Coors-light.  OF
course I've never had a problem.  Actually come to think of it, a few
times I've forgotten to fasten the strap for the rear wheel, and the bike
was fine being held just by the fork quick release!

John
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From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: trek frame replacement
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:38:10 GMT

has anybody had experience with trek's warranty replacement
turnaround time?  i have an old 760 frame that cracked at
one of the lugs on the head tube, (Reynolds 531 throughout,
campy dropouts) and i would like to get a frame that ain't 
broke.  i'd prefer a new 531 frame, but i have a feeling 
that they would replace it with one of their aluminum models.
any replies would be greatly appreciated.

andy
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From: seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Scott Seligman)
Subject: Looking for book by Bodfish
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:12:36 GMT

I'm looking for a particular book describing some bicycle rides/tours
in California and nearby.  It's by a guy who goes by the nickname
Bodfish.  It might help me to know his real name, and it would
certainly help me to know the book's title or publisher.  Or if you're
in the Bay Area, perhaps you know of a bookstore or bike shop that
sells it.  I've been looking for a while with no luck yet.


tnx,
Scott Seligman

Internet:  seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU
UUCP:      {uunet,decwrl,sun}!cs.stanford.edu!seligman
From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: QUESTION about aero bars
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:47:05 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Check 
your gravity at the door.) writes:

>I am thinking about purchasing SCOTT Lemond II Clip-On Bars.
>The bars come in 4 different extension sizes, 11, 12, 13, or 14 inches.
>Does a method exist where I can measure my arms or another relevant part
>of my body to determine which extension size would be best for me?

Yes. Go to a bike shop that stocks them. A sizing guide is printed
on the side of the box.

--Rus
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Miyata women's saddle
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:54:23 GMT

I recently completed a 750 mile ride on the back of a tandem in 85.5
hours. That's a lot of time on a saddle. I'd been using the Terry
Women's for over 6 months and it worked great on everything up to this
ride.  400 miles into the trip, I was ready to rip the foam out of the
hole.  Once the swelling started, the presence of the foam became
unbearable.  Even though there was no plastic shell underneath, there
was still something! I asked our crew person to see if he could find
the Miyata saddle. It's often quite difficult to find women's
products, and I was almost shocked when he showed up 20 miles later
with this wonderful saddle with an exposed hole. He had found the
Miyata. The difference was immediately noticeable. I probably would
have finished the ride without it, but I wouldn't have been in a good
mood for days! The Miyata is a little harder under the sit bones than
the Terry, but that's not where I was experiencing pain.  Of course
the saddle is different looking and draws lots of comments and sexual
innuendos, but it saved my ride.  My male tandem partner is now
looking into making a similar type modification to his saddle before
our next really long event.

I still like my Terry saddles and will use them on shorter (under 200
miles :) rides. I highly recommend BOTH saddles. 

(Yes, this has been added to the FAQ on women's saddles)
-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             8 down, 4 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       BMB mixed tandem finisher!
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From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Miyata women's saddle
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:25:17 GMT

pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:

[deleted section]

>                                            I'd been using the Terry
>Women's for over 6 months and it worked great on everything up to this
>ride.  

[deleted section]

>                     I asked our crew person to see if he could find
>the Miyata saddle. It's often quite difficult to find women's
>products, and I was almost shocked when he showed up 20 miles later
>with this wonderful saddle with an exposed hole. He had found the
>Miyata. The difference was immediately noticeable. I probably would
>have finished the ride without it, but I wouldn't have been in a good
>mood for days! The Miyata is a little harder under the sit bones than
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Terry, but that's not where I was experiencing pain.  Of course
 ^^^^^^^^^
>the saddle is different looking and draws lots of comments and sexual
>innuendos, but it saved my ride.  My male tandem partner is now
>looking into making a similar type modification to his saddle before
>our next really long event.

I wonder to what extent the fact that the saddle was harder made a
(positive) difference.  I bring this up because my stoker (female) had
an Avocet woman's gell saddle and then switched (along with a new bike)
to an Ideal leather saddle, by most measures a very hard saddle.  She has
experienced no pain using this saddle, at least in touring (up to 10
hours in the saddle, which is, it must be said, less than you were
doing).  The Ideal saddle is a men's model and similar to the Brooks
saddle but it appears to be a bit wider.  The other saddle she has tried
and liked (though we've not really tested it for any distance) is the
Brooks mountain bike saddle (similar to the regular Brooks, but also
seemingly a bit wider and with springs).  I bring this up because both
of us, in searching for more comfortable saddles (for the respective
female and male complaints in those nether regions), first went to
softer saddles (gell) and found that things only got worse while on
going to the 'old style' hard saddles we found that things improved.
Though the real moral here may be that one needs to test these things
out and to each their own.


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
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From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: HYBRID BIKES
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.202808.18186@cis.ohio-state.edu> rah@limpet.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael seungwon rah) writes:
>
>
>What exactly is a hybrid bike ?

It's a cross between a road bike and a mountain bike.  The frame is not as
beefy as those of mountain bikes and would not stand up to the abuse one 
normally subjects a mountain bike to.  They generally have mountain bike 
type bars for a more upright riding position.  Also they are geared more
like a road bike than a mountain bike.

Personally I love mine.  I do 99% of my riding (~100 miles/week) on the road
but always hated racing bars; I had problems with my neck.  However I like
the option of having a bike that can be taken off-road when the opportunity
or desire strikes.  Oh yeah, the tires are also wider than a road bike but
not as fat as a traditional mountain bike.


      
Mike Thompson                 |    It's true, forgiveness IS easier
Unisys UNIX Systems Group     |    to get than permission. ;-) 
unislc!miket                  |              -----------
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com   |    My employer is profoundly grateful
                              |    that I speak only for myself.

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From: rpcfod@worldbank.org (Robert Patt-Corner)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on which bicycle rack to purchase wanted.
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: The World Bank
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:52:50 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Aug27151626@claw.clearpoint.com>,
jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack) wrote:
> 
> Anyway, I have had a GRABBER (TM) rack for the back of my car for the
> past two (2) years.  It has worked just fine and does not require any
> tools to put it on or remove it.  I have never driven more than ~400
> miles at a time with it on there, but I think that it would last a
> long trip.

I've got the same old Graber, and like it pretty well.  It fell off once,
but I found that the problem was the very loose curve in the bottom "S"
hooks.  A little squeeze with the pliers and it's given no trouble since.

Another thing with rear racks that attach with webbing is keeping them
snug.  I've found that if you snug them up with the buckles, then take the
remaining web strap and wrap it around the tube and part of strap with
tension on it, in such a way that it further compresses the tensed strap,
you can both keep the rack very tight and tighten it from time to time with
very little effort.

The racks are far from theft-proof as they can be removed with bike
attached, but then, what is?
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From: stephas@dgp.toronto.edu (Tamara Stephas)
Subject: Re: HYBRID BIKES
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:01:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.143606.20788@unislc.uucp> miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.202808.18186@cis.ohio-state.edu> rah@limpet.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael seungwon rah) writes:
>>
>>
>>What exactly is a hybrid bike ?
>
>It's a cross between a road bike and a mountain bike.  The frame is not as
>beefy as those of mountain bikes and would not stand up to the abuse one 
>normally subjects a mountain bike to.  They generally have mountain bike 
>type bars for a more upright riding position.  Also they are geared more
>like a road bike than a mountain bike.
>

I have also seen the reverse (a Bianchi, I believe) --- a tougher frame
than your typical road bike, wishbone fork, touring geometry, knobby
tires, lower gearing than even most touring bikes, and drop handlebars.
The friend who owned it said it is a superlative touring bike if you have 
your heart set on going someplace that happens to have poor roads.
I fell in love with it on sight, but have not yet found an excuse to get 
(or even test ride) one.  Maybe when my fairy godmother hands me $2000 and 
says, "Cycle Greece!" ... :-)

- Tamara Stephas
  stephas@dgp.toronto.edu

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From: pcl@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Chiao Liu)
Subject: 11T lockring-replacing cogs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 04:54:54 GMT

Hi,
I was just reading about those titanium or steel 11T cogs that
replace the lockring.  I was wondering how well these work, as
I was looking at my frame (a Bridgestone MTB), and it looked to me
that the space between the 13T cog and the stay was narrower
than my chain, so I don't see how the chain could fit on the extra
cog.  Other than that, my understanding is that DX thumbshifters have
an extra notch, and could accomodate an eighth cog, and presumably
the 11T cog still performs the function of the lockring, so I don't
see any other problems.

So what am I not seeing here? 

Email or posting, whatever.

Thanks,
Paul Liu
pcl@power.stanford.edu
 
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From: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Jeff Blaine)
Subject: Re: Recommendations on which bicycle rack to purchase wanted.
Followup-To:  poster
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  rack
Reply-To: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 AUG 92 16:45:51    

In article <BtK25y.Evp@acsu.buffalo.edu>, syali@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Sy Ali) writes...
>Hi Folks,
> 
>	I'm in the market for a good bike rack for the back of my car.
>Desirable features:
>			- Holds 2-3 bicycles.
>			- Easy to attach/remove.
>			- Won't scratch my car.
>			- Sturdy.
>I'd appreciate any personal recommendations you folks out there might
>have as well as a mail-order source for same. I'm willing to shell out
>for a good one, btw.
> 

Thule, thule, thule.  I bought mine about a year ago.  It was pretty 
expensive for a one bike setup ($260), but the sucker is made to last 
through a nuclear war.  I have had great customer support from Thule also.  
When a friend of mine's Thule rack, OUT OF WARRANTEE, broke and our bikes 
flew off and crashed down the highway at 55 MPH, Thule reimbursed us with a 
check for $500.  Not bad if you ask me.

-=Jeff
jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
From: foltz@as.arizona.edu (Craig B. Foltz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 24" Mountain Bike Tires
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:11:59 GMT
Reply-To: foltz@as.arizona.edu
Organization: MMT Observatory, Univ.of Arizona

I have an old Cannondale SM600.  As you may recall, in the early days Cannondale
built mtn. bikes with 24" rear wheels.  My problem now is finding a decent 
quality 24" tire.  Does anybody out there know of a source?  I've tried the local
shops to no avail and Nashbar is always backordered.  

Thanks in advance.

---
Craig Foltz                               cfoltz@as.arizona.edu
Multiple Mirror Telescope Observatory     Tel   (602) 621-1269
Univ. of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721        Fax   (602) 670-5740
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From: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason Braddy)
Subject: Wireless computer...SOLD
Reply-To: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason Braddy)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:34:51 GMT


The Vetta Computer for sale that was posted yesterday has been sold.

Thanks for the interest.
Jason Braddy
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From: latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu (Latenser)
Subject: Re: trek frame replacement
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:37:35 GMT

rkd@pt.com (Ray Downes) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.163810.15906@athena.mit.edu> stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:
>>has anybody had experience with trek's warranty replacement
>>turnaround time?  i have an old 760 frame that cracked at........

>On a similar vein, the head tube cracked on the fork of my approx 11
>year old Trek 600 fork/frameset just recently. I shocked the local
>dealership (original shop, new ownership) waltzing in, ancient receipt
>in hand, asking for a warranty replacement...........

Two weeks ago I broke my 8+ yearold Reynolds mountain bike frame (24"
frame that broke just above the bottom lug on the headset -- frame has
never been abused in any way --- except that I am 6'8" and $#@$ pounds).  
Took it to the dealer (no receipt requested).  

Trek still has it --- they do not make an equivalent frame anymore and
have not decided what to do.

I ordered a CannonDale frame last week from another dealer (they have a
frame trade-in offer for the excess '92 frames -- you can trade in ANY mfg. 
old frame).  I do not think the current Trek frames live up to those of 10
years ago.  Just look at the non-engineering on their suspension ATB.


latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hubs built for straight spokes
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:17:53 GMT

> My road wheels are more prone to spoke breakage than my mountain
> bike wheels. As a matter of fact, I have yet to break a spoke while
> off-road (knock, knock).

Gosh!  Maybe the volume of air and pressure in your tires have
something to do with it?  Extra tire compliance via "fat tires" is
the cheapest way I know to get the comfort of suspension as well as
bomb-proof wheels.

Right now I enjoy wheels with Avocet FasGrip 700x32 and 700x35 Duro
tires (actually, they seem to measure 700x28 and 700x32.)
I notice the shock difference between 700x28 and 700x32 tires, I'm
sure I wouldn't enjoy 700x19c.

Before clinchers I road Clement Special Corsas (27mm) and Clement
Campionado Del Mondo (26mm) tubulars.  Don't knock'em if you haven't
tried them.

Alex
internet: amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:04:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Ric H*, half owner and manager of Wheelsmith, gave a seminar on wheelbuilding
last week at which he gave us a peek at a prototype quad-spoke wheel they're
planning to manufacture.  The thing had a metal matrix rim bonded to four
carbon-fiber spokes which were in turn joined to some kind of custom hub.

He claimed it would be lighter, stronger, and more durable than wire spoked
wheels.  And at ~$1000 each, a bit more expensive too!  When I asked how it
would compare for comfort he said that comfort is entirely dependent on the
tires.

Oddly, he said he expects them to be most popular for Mt. bikes -- because of
their increased strength.  FWIW....
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
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