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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 10:50:37 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: PLEASE?
 <92325.135359U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Nov21.035614.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

In article <1992Nov21.035614.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu says:
>Are you trying to imply that there is something wrong with tearing people to
>pieces under the full moon?
>Well, there goes my fun...
>Yours under the full moon,
>--Semhaza (The Antichrist)

Well, I'm not saying that tearing people to pieces under a full moon isn't
fun (World War II was a wonderful four years, ripping apart the so called
"werewolves" of the SS, AND getting paid for it).  I'm just saying that
magic is better if you wanna become one after the fact, so that you can
control your primordial urges, and not have so much trouble.  Cursed simply
don't have the sentience to have that fun.

Terrence Wilcze, Vampire.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:04:39 GMT

jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu wrote:
: Okay -- two things:
: 
: 1. Does anybody know of any good werewolf novels/short stories/magazines etc.?
: (I guess it would have been easier to just say literature but oh well.)
: 
: 2. Does anyone have any solid reason to beleive that werewolves exist?
: 
Well, concidering that I'm a martian werewolf, I guess they must exist. I dunno
about earthling werewolfs, tho.

: -Jordan
From: mccall@Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Who is more powerful?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:05:58 GMT
Reply-To: mccall@oswego.Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall)
Distribution: all
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <BxyGs5.4B2@acsu.buffalo.edu> rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:
>haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:
>
>>Who is more powerful, both mentally and physically, a wearwolf or a vampire?
>
>>Rick
>
>	Well, I tend to think of vampirism as a Russian kind of thing.
>
        Having taken Anthropology courses in myth,magic and folklore, I
   assure you that the vampire (though under different names) is common
   to most world mythologies. The most familiar one to most people is the
   type made famous by Bram Stoker's Dracula, but that is only one version.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 13:06:15 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Good Werewolf/Bad Werewolf ...
 <1992Nov17.131705.24859@news.columbia.edu> <Qf2Kx7y00awIE3fGcE@andrew.cmu.edu>

In article <Qf2Kx7y00awIE3fGcE@andrew.cmu.edu>, Larry Lyle
<ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>brought up to believe...  But I'm sorta curious...  Are there any other
>good werewolves out there?
>De
>The Werewolf at CMU.
>Lycanthrope.

Of course there are.  It's so easy to protray the members of some other race
as wholly evil.  Which is just bullshit.  It's the ones who keep to
themselves, occasionally nibble on a homeless person, or some gang-banger
that never get attention.  Those that stalk innocent humans a la a normal
serial killer are the ones who give your people such a bad rep.  Same with
my people.

However, I have met one particularly heroic youngster (he's barely 150 years
old) who is a member of the Born.  His name is Victor Krew (another son
of Poland, even though I was born near Fort Dearborne in the late 1700's
(1788 to be exact)).  He has often aided me in battles against the Crafted,
who usually don their powers as means of attaining power or revenge (watching
a Born plow into three or four Crafted is a sheer pleasure to watch).

Indeed, when we first met, I figured that there was some twisted sense
of humor guiding our lives, with a Vampire named Wolf-Cub, and a Werewolf
named Blood (krew is the Polish word for Blood).  The last I heard, he'd
adopted a different name and put his prowess and regenerative abilities to
good use as a police officer in some Canadian city.

Terrence Wilcze, Kindred,
writing through the account of
Douglas P. Wojtowicz.
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Songs about werewolves
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:14:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

We had to go through this on alt.horror.cthulhu....

Heard any good werewolf songs lately?

My vote goes for "The Howl" by Samhain.

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:56:16 GMT

Based on someone's ratings of these films, I thought I'd gamble a
couple of bucks on Howling...shiiiiiiiiit  I forgot which number!!  Oh
well, if you're looking at them, read the promo.  It is the one about
a writer who is told to get some rest at a little cabin...with
predictable results.

The audio pickup was low-end at best, and there were some poor scenes.
However, all in all it was worth the couple of bucks.  Not even close
to H1 but better than HII by the same margin (the only others I have seen).

Thanks to whoever gave the relational ratings.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Wolf Children of India
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:02:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <psmith.722269873@cunews>, psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:

> This is off topic a bit, but I'm curious as to whether anyone has ever
> read about Amala and Kamala, the wolf children of India.

No, I don't remember them, but I do recall a wolf-boy (I believe he was from
India too).

[...]

> They both scurried around on all fours; stayed up at night howling at
> the moon; shunned the other kids and generally acted like animals.
> They liked lapping milk from a bowl and could smell raw meat in
> another room.  They had heavy callous (sp?) on their palms and knees
> and were thoroughly wolfish in appearance.
> 
> They stayed there for several years, and I don't know if they ever
> learned how to walk but I recall that they could only be taught a few
> words.

Yes, this description fits what I remember about the boy as well.
 
> I thought this might be of interest in case anyone wondered whether a
> human could adapt to living like a wolf.

I have a vague impression that somewhere or other I read that there are only
two animals that humans could successfully live with. One was wolves; the other
was some kind of ape (a la Tarzan). Does this ring a bell?

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza
From: sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: S. P. Somtow's _Moon Dance_
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:35:51 GMT
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kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim) writes:
> I wonder if I'm the first to post here. There doesn't seem to be anyone
> around. But to get things started, even though I'm not a big horror reader
> and would normally (U)nsubscribe from a newsgroup like this, I did read
> _Moon Dance_ by my friend Somtow and thought it was a mindblow...anyone
> else??
> -- 
> 

Yeah, I read it and while it was reasonable, I've read a lot better things.
It seemed to drag in places, and the I felt the end was left hanging.

  Just my IMHO.

      Simon.
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Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Good Werewolf/Bad Werewolf ...
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:51:22 GMT

In article <Qf2Kx7y00awIE3fGcE@andrew.cmu.edu>, Larry Lyle <ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 	I think its interesting how diverse the consept of 'werewolf' can be.
> While I know this is netnews.alt.HORROR.werewolves,  I cant help but
> throw my two cents in as a lycanthrope, that werewolves arnt necesarily
> 'evil' or 'bad'...  and I am happy to read that occational story that
> portreys them as, if not a good force, not evil either... 
> 	I admit there is a lot of resons for makeing a 'bad' werewolf..  if
> nothing else it makes for a lot of suspence and thrills, indeed its
> easier to write a 'bad' werewolf, and its certainly isnt what we were
> brought up to believe...  But I'm sorta curious...  Are there any other
> good werewolves out there?
> 
> 
> De
> The Werewolf at CMU.
> Lycanthrope.
> 	
Yeah. I agree. If my dream of being a werewolf ever becomes reality I think I
would mainly be good -- With a few exeptions -- Some people at my old high
school. Let's just say the funeral would *not* be held w/ an open casket.
-Jordan
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: twiddyd@pell2l20.alleg.edu (David Twiddy)
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:46:03 GMT

In article <1393@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner)  
writes:
> OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a  
werewolf?
> 
> The ones I can think of are :-
> 
>    1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....
> 
>    2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...
> 
>    3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?
> 
> 
> OK over to you.
> 
> 
>     Simon.
	Many stories tell of certain herbs or flowers  that can turn you  
into one if eaten or just touched.  King's "Cycle of the Werewolf" is one,  
I think.  Doesn't the minister/werewolf in the story mention "Strange  
flowers that he picked on a walk in the woods, that wilted away when he  
got them home..."?  Something like that.
--

David "master of obscurity" Twiddy <twiddyd@alleg.edu>
"Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
 Big wheel turn by the Grace of GOD"
 			-Jerry Garcia
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:47:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>In <1992Nov16.190225.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>>1. Does anybody know of any good werewolf novels/short stories/magazines etc.?

	_The Anubis Gates_ by Tim Powers has a werewolf.
	This is also a great SF novel.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: PLEASE?
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:56:14 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92325.135359U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> Fools!  The Gift, if it can be called that, can only be passed on safely
> through heredity.  The Cursed can transmit their gift, but the beings
> themselves become uncontrollable monsters, rending people to pieces whenever
> the moon is full, until they are destroyed once and forever.  

Are you trying to imply that there is something wrong with tearing people to
pieces under the full moon?

Well, there goes my fun...

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:16:13 GMT
Organization: UB

U16244@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Although I myself am a member of one of the many vampire tribes
>(each having its origins in various parts of the world), my long experience
>with my brethren has shown me that there are as many different types of
>lycanthrop based on origins and abilities as there are different animal
>species.

	How fortunate to have a practicing vampire among us.  And do you
drink blood, or merely suck a bit of astral fluid out of rips in the
aura?
>transformations.  Indeed, those who are not genetic werewolves are the
>weakest of the lot.  They're more annoying than dangerous to my race,
>mainly because they'd rather use their transformations than truly effective
>runes and spells against us.

	Runes and spells, znajomy?  What sort of runes and spells?
The Futhark?  And do you work in Old Norse?  Old Church Slavonic?


>Terrence Wilcze, (Wolf-Cub to those who do not speak Polish)  Kindred.
>writing through the account of
>Douglas P. Wojtowicz, u16244@uicvm.edu

Pan Richard Michael Dionysios Romanowski
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: more questions
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:18:30 GMT

Oh yeah...
one more question:
Does anybody have some *really* good werewolf movies to recommend?
-either high quality w/ good effects and story
-or just classics I should see
-or anything else interesting.

Also-
What's your ideal werewolf? I'm interested to know what other people have
thought. I'll share mine soon.

(Okay, that was _two_ more questions. I lied.)
-Jordan
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: Wolf Children of India
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:13 GMT

This is off topic a bit, but I'm curious as to whether anyone has ever
read about Amala and Kamala, the wolf children of India.

I read a short piece on them in a Psychology text discussing speech.
I got interested, did some research, and found the diary of a
reverend who claims (with photographic evidence) to have rescued and
cared for these 2 little girls until their death.

It is alleged that earlier in this century, some of the forest
dwellers (ie:  tribes) of India used to "expose" or, in other words,
abondon their girls if they had too many.  The reverend kept hearing
about ghosts from the villagers, so he stayed up on a hunting platform
one night with some guards and waited.

Sure enough, along came a wolf mother with her cubs and 2 'ghosts'.
The reverend and guards went to the den shortly afterward and shot the
mother when she attacked them (obviously guarding her young).  When
they looked in the den, they saw the cubs and 2 little girls curled up
with them.

So, the reverend figures that the wolf mother somehow adopted these
two exposed children and raised them.  They were quite young, with 2
years between them.

The diaries chronicle their subsequent stay in the church orphanage
where the reverend tried to hide their identity for fear of never
getting them married off later on, if suitors heard of their
disgraceful past.

They both scurried around on all fours; stayed up at night howling at
the moon; shunned the other kids and generally acted like animals.
They liked lapping milk from a bowl and could smell raw meat in
another room.  They had heavy callous (sp?) on their palms and knees
and were thoroughly wolfish in appearance.

They stayed there for several years, and I don't know if they ever
learned how to walk but I recall that they could only be taught a few
words.

I thought this might be of interest in case anyone wondered whether a
human could adapt to living like a wolf.

I realize it all sounds incredible, but the diaries are well worth the
read for anyone who is interested.  Email me if you want to know the
exact title/author and I'll try to look it up.

P.S. Amala and Kamala both died eventually during their childhood at
the orphanage.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: Sources, please?
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.221934.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Can someone please suggest good books on werewolf folklore
>and fact? No fiction, please, I can find plenty of that.
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Yours under the full moon,
>--Semhaza

I'm curious as to why you separate 'folklore' from fiction...but
that's semantics.


Here's a sampling that may interest you.  


  AUTHOR: Douglas, Adam.
         TITLE: Beast within : history of the Werewolf.
     PUB. INFO: London : Chapmans, 1992.


  AUTHOR: Warren, Ed.
         TITLE: Werewolf : a story of demonic possession / by Ed and Lorraine
                  Warren, and Bill Ramsey with Robert David Chase.
     PUB. INFO: New York : St. Martin's Press, 1991.
   DESCRIPTION: xii, 224 p., [8] p. of plates : ill. ; 22 cm.

 AUTHOR: Mueller, Tom.
         TITLE: The last werewolf : a study of the Jean Grenier case / by Tom
                  Mueller.
     PUB. INFO: 1986.
   DESCRIPTION: 93 leaves ; 28 cm.

 AUTHOR: Sales, Herberto.
         TITLE: The werewolf, and other tales / [retold by] Herberto Sales ;
                  translated [from the Portuguese] by Richard Goddard.
     PUB. INFO: London : Collings, 1978.
   DESCRIPTION: [8], 112 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.

        AUTHOR: Copper, Basil.
         TITLE: The werewolf : in legend, fact & art / Basil Copper.
     PUB. INFO: New York : St. Martin's Press, c1977.
   DESCRIPTION: 240 p., [6] leaves of plates : ill. ; 23 cm.

AUTHOR: Sandemose, Aksel, 1899-1965.
         TITLE: The werewolf; Varulven. Translated from the Norwegian by Gustaf
                  Lannestock. With an introd. by Harald S. Naess.
     PUB. INFO: Madison, University of Wisconsin Press, 1966.
   DESCRIPTION: xvii, 374 p. 24 cm.

TITLE: Vampires, werewolves, and demons : twentieth century reports in
                  the psychiatric literature / [edited by] Richard Noll.
     PUB. INFO: New York : Brunner/Mazel, c1992.
   DESCRIPTION: xxv, 244 p. ; 24 cm.

 TITLE: Transformations / by the editors of Time-Life Books.
     PUB. INFO: Alexandria, Va. : Time-Life Books, c1989.
   DESCRIPTION: 144 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 29 cm.
        SERIES: Mysteries of the unknown

 TITLE: A Lycanthropy reader : werewolves in Western culture / edited by
                  Charlotte F. Otten.
       EDITION: 1st ed.
     PUB. INFO: Syracuse, N.Y. : Syracuse University Press, 1986.
   DESCRIPTION: xvi, 337 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.

 AUTHOR: Gerstein, Mary Roche, 1940-
         TITLE: Warg : the outlaw as werwolf in Germanic myth, law,
and medicine / by Mary Roche Gerstein.
     PUB. INFO: Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms International, 1980,
                  c1972.
   DESCRIPTION: vii, 173 leaves ; 22 cm.

 AUTHOR: Eckels, Richard Preston, 1909-
         TITLE: Greek wolf-lore ... [by] Richard Preston Eckels.
     PUB. INFO: Philadelphia, 1937.
   DESCRIPTION: 88 p. 23 cm.

Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu)
Subject: AD&D
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:26:36 GMT


Tanya writes:

>I've commonly heard the word lycanthrope used in reference to 'weres' in 
>general.  In AD&D's Monster Manual, they list lycanthropes as a major 
>heading under which werewolves, werbears, wertigers, and wererats are
>all included....

>Tanya


I've played D&D before and remember being able to buy wolvesbane.
I always thought this was to ward off werewolves, no?

But, in this newsgroup, it seems like wolvesbane makes you a werewolf.
Probably another example of D&D inconsistency.
From: sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:38:25 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a werewolf?

The ones I can think of are :-

   1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....

   2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...

   3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?


OK over to you.


    Simon.

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From: dionne@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Dionne E Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Have a Werewolf for a Pet
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:04:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Nov.21.16.36.52.1992.1014@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>From the home office in Wolf Point, Montana:
>
>10. Needs no pet license, walkies, or litter box
> 9. Sensitive friends unlikely to be allergic to werewolf
> 8. Werewolf can get outside job and pay part of rent
> 7. No special bedding required, unlike vampire
> 6. A good conversation starter at parties
> 5. Weapons carried by typical burglar ineffective
> 4. As long as you have neighbors, no need to worry about feeding
> 3. Easy to fool landlords who have a "no pets" policy
> 2. If landlord not fooled, werewolf can eat landlord
> 1. Never lose annual "Biggest Dog in Town" contest again
>-- 
>Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

  How about "'Man's Best Friend' is your best friend"?

  Stay cool at all times, uncool dudes get stomped on.

  Dionne E. Nelson
    dionne@bank.ecn.purdue.edu
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: FULL MOON
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:42:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <BxvnEL.205@javelin.sim.es.com> wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>Hi, my name is wade and i'm a werewolve.

Hi, wade.

(He's really a werewolverINE but he realised he was in the
wrong newsgroup at the last minute and stopped himself.)

Jason
Not a werewolf but an Incredible Simulation!
From: scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Becoming a real lycanthrope
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:14:04 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: moondance.math.orst.edu

Hraet. I've heard lots of talk about the mythological lycanthrope
but little about the real possibility of making oneself a werewolf.
For those with the sincere inclination to mold their person into
a more bestial form, take heart. I believe that the means will soon
arrive. Do you spontaneoulsy let out howls while walking downtown
because the night air screams to every fiber of your being that you
should be on the hunt? Do you wish that your awkward bipedal gait
could be exchanged for a more graceful lope? Do you resent that fact
that your puny human teeth will not let you rip flesh with the gusto
you yearn to release? (I do sometimes)
Don't you think that in the future we will be able to alter our bodies
to our own specifications? I think there are lots of people who will
opt for more bestial forms than what we wear now. Perhaps werewolves
will become a "standard" form?
(And for those who like to look even further, we may even be able to
have bodies that can alter their own form, i.e. shapeshift. Gods, I'd
love that!)

What would you do to your body? (Maybe we could take vacations in
alternate form?)