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From: ecurtis@orion.oac.uci.edu (Evans Curtis)
Subject: Re: Carribean vs. West Indies vs Antilles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:16:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr10.022436.16736@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod) writes:

>Robert, I do not think that the Caribbean sea washes the shore of Suriname and
>Guyana, I think that they only get the Atlantic Ocean, I may be wrong, but I
>doubt it!!

I believe this is a technicality.  I'm always confused when it comes to
Caribbean Sea/Atlantic Ocean.  It seems to me that the Caribbean Sea is a 
body of water WITHIN the Atlantic Ocean.  How do you determine where one 
ends and where the other begins?  I, as a Nicaraguan, could never figure out
if our coast is on the Caribbean Sea or A.O. :(

>Also, I consider Nicaragua and Venezuela, as part of mainland
>America or as Central America, or South America,

No question!  We ARE on the mainland, but the Atlantic (Caribbean?) coast
of Nicaragua has an unbelievable Caribbean influence.  Language, religion,
food, music, you name it!  This area was a British protectorate, the same 
as Belize was to Guatemala; just that instead of giving us independence, 
they turned us over to Managua.

When it comes to cricket, we don't know the game, but does Belize?

>If any one of you cannot see a cultural difference between those islands who
>play cricket and those who don't then you should visit Trinidad, Barbados,
>Jamaica, Antigua or Guyana when there is test cricket going on.

Well, I wouldn't put such importance on sports.  I doubt *I* would see any
'cultural difference' between a people that has the same music, religion,
language, food, racial mix, (not including Spanish speaking islands here)
whether they played cricket or not.  Of course I've been wrong before :)



Evans.-
From: svm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Savitri Maharaj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Original Names - Caribbean countries
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:26:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <yXmZiB1w164w@student.business.uwo.ca>, ggeorge@student.business.uwo.ca (Gerry E. George) writes:
> Original place names:
> 
> Trinidad  - Iere  (as suggested by a Trini,  other Trini's care to comment?)
> 

  This is what I was taught in school (Robert Village Hindu School, in Tableland, in
the deep South: anyone else went there?).  I also seem to remember hearing that the 
word Iere means "Land of the Humming Bird".  Can anyone out there verify this?
From: rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu (Robert B France)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: hangout.rutgers.edu - Jamaica
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:38:00 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <1992Apr10.011640.4543@acsu.buffalo.edu> simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>	By the way, how is inter-island travel done in the Grenadines and 
>St. Vincent? Are the islands "closer" (relations-wise) to each other than to
>St. Vincent and Grenada? Just wondering.

Not much improvement in travel. 
Mainly travel by boat (which is not so bad really - if
you can afford the time and live with the schedules) between islands. The
airport in Bequia is supposed to be completed sometime this month.
There are airports in Mustique (ofcourse - BTW this island, though
governed by St. Vincent is `run' by a foreign interest through a lease
agreement with the government - it's also the island where the likes of
Princess Margaret, Mick Jagger etc. have their carribean homes), and in
Union Island (and probably some other Grenadine islands as well), but air
travel to the Grenadines is generally expensive.

`Relation-wise', given that the current prime minister is from the
Grenadines (Bequia), things have been improving - not that there was
much conflict in the past.
The usual crticism leveled at past governments was that they
paid little attention to the development of the Grenadines. Mitchell
(the prime minister) addressed such issues as soon as he came
into power (the airport in Bequia is the most significant result).

>-- 
>Patrice Simon
>simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
>opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
>-----------------------------

Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Praim Sankar)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Conch Dumplings
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:11:45 GMT

My father-in-law used to own a restaurant where they served
among other things, a conchs roti. Curry conchs ,of course.
I don't recall any special procedure in cooking the conchs
except that it took quite a long time. (2 hrs) The end product was 
soft enough to referred to as soft but chewable, if you know what
 mean.	
The conchs we bought came from The Bahamas so if the Bahamanian
lady could shed some insight on this...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Recipe for Conch Dumplings
Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:20:10 GMT


I once had conch dumplings in St. Martin that were absolutely
great!  I occasionally think about them and have no idea
where to get a recipe.

Actually thinking back there were two dishes:  A conch stew,
and the dumplings.  The stew had a stock base with lots
of vegetables.  

The thing I remember about the conch was how tender it was.
Usually its a bit tough.  Any secrets for getting it to
soften up?

Hope I'm not too off base for this group.  Food is part of
culture, no?

-Gary
-- 
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216
From: rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu (Robert B France)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Carribean vs. West Indies vs Antilles
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:34:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <1992Apr7.224810.16502@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod) writes:
>My version of the difference is: If you play cricket you are West Indies!!
>Therefore, T & T, Jamaica, St. Lucia, Barbados, Grenada, Guyana (not even an
>island), Dominica etc., I consider West Indies.  

That's a common distinction - on the other hand I think the name West Indies
came from the British colonials (remember Columbus 
thought he had reached the East Indies (Asia) on discovering the mistake
the newly discovered region was called the West Indies) and probably is 
now used to refer to the regions in the Caribbean (as you define below)
with some British influence (hence the connection to cricket). Bahamas and
Bermuda seem to be an anomaly in this respect - they're sometimes referred
to as part of the West Indies (they do play cricket I think), sometimes
not (anyone know why the cricket team for instance has no Bahamians etc.).
I think it may be because of the heavy american influence in that region. 

>The Caribbean is all those
>islands which lie in the Caribbean, and whose culture does not include cricket,
>so Cuba, Puerto Rico, Bahamas (actually I don't know whether B'mas plays) I
>consider Caribbean, but not West Indian.  Antilles are those islands which are
>Dutch and French speaking!!!

Also continental countries bordering the Caribbean sea (e.g. Suriname,
Venezuala, Guyana, Nicaragua etc.).
>
>Veryl
>(another Trini on de net)

Robert


Xref: sparky soc.culture.caribbean:827 rec.music.afro-latin:269
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean,rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Boukman Exsperyans (Haiti)
From: S.J.Weil@massey.ac.nz (S.J. Weil)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:37:05 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c


Can anyone tell me something about the music of the Haitian band Boukman
Exsperyans?  I've seen their "Vodou Adjae" CD for sale, but would like
to know more about them before considering shelling out $$.  (The only
Haitian music I know is that of Tabou Combo).

Many thanks

Sylv


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: redlel@vccsouth20.its.rpi.edu (Lorenz Wolfgang Redlefsen)
Subject: Steel Drums...
Reply-To: redlel@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:01:42 GMT


	I have read an article on this newsgroup about Caribbean-style
steel bands, with a list of albums. I have an addition to the list:

 	Andy Narell (sp?)  "Slow Motion"  

	This is more jazz-like (sort-of), but they have worked the steel
drums into the music beautifully. Very nice to listen to when you are
relaxing... Note the "relaxing", i.e. QUITE the opposite of Soca!  :-)

	Anyway, I thought someone might want to check it out. 

	Lorenz
	(redlel@rpi.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: derrick@meaddata.com (Derrick Tatem)
Subject: Caribbean, Antilles, West Indies 
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:02:25 GMT
Distribution: usa

Does anyone know the following to be true: St.KITTS' name was known
as LIAMUIGA before Christopher Columbus, I think it means fertile land?

-- 
Derrick M. Tatem
Mead Data Central, Dayton, Ohio
Internet: derrick@meaddata.com
UUCP:     !uunet!meaddata!derrick
Newsgroups: soc.culture,soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.cultu
From: vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod)
Subject: Re: Scouts and Scouters
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:55:09 GMT

The address for Boy Scouts in Trinidad and Tobago is:
Scout Association of Trinidad & Tobago Ltd.
La Fantasie Road,
Port-of-Spain,
Trinidad

Also, you should be able to pick up desktop flags at any store that sells
flags, I have seen them in many stores here is Columbus, OH

Veryl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2781 soc.culture.celtic:3388
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 20:19:40 EDT
From: <TWOLAND@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: 200 years of Peace and Friendship
Distribution: world
 <1992Apr2.211318.3962@cunews.carleton.ca> <CC.92Apr3130051@carna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
 <liam.02mc@durie.amigans.gen.nz>

>>In article <1992Apr2.211318.3962@cunews.carleton.ca> rdawson@sebastian.carlet
on
>.ca (Ron Dawson) writes:
>
>>
>
>>      Actually, Canadian history books generally are a tale of
>American's
>>      making agressive gestures to Canada, and Britain wimping
>out.
>>
>
>>Aha! Now *that* sounds a lot more like the Britain we all know...
>:-)
>>--
>
>>       -- Chris.       cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
>


Well, from a Canadian point of view it sounds like everyone we all know who
are like that that we know...

            ... uh, I'm confused.  Can we count up who has the most insult
points and declare someone a winner now, huh?  :)

Dave................
<Tired and Confused and wondering where it all started...>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2920 soc.culture.canada:3362
From: dleblanc@kub.nl (David Leblanc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:37:32 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

In article <1992Apr13.085607.10836@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

#The US is the richest, oldest, most militarily powerful
#democracy on the planet.  

The US may be the richest and most powerful democracy on the planet,
but it certainly isn't the oldest.

A petty, nitpicky point, but I'm in a petty, nitpicking kinda mood.

David LeBlanc
-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:3026 soc.culture.canada:3529
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

> >Canadians can emigrate to Britain, work here, and qualify for
> >British citizenship after 3 years.
> 
> But can Indians and Africans (who aren't white) also emigrate to Britain
> and become citizens?
> 
> Charlie
> 
>
 
But can Hong Kong also emigrate people to Britain and become citizens?
To maintain the harmony and prosperity of the Britain, the British
government has to exclude colored people from colony from entering Britain.

I don't know if it is true for people in Northern Ireland having
the same craze to become British citizens.

/* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.
 *
 * Take care and have a nice day.
 *
 * Ter-Yuan Lee
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.comics.strips
From: p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:01:56 GMT

In article <srheault.703289777@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>In <1992Apr14.211348.16938@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>Canada has already successfully
>>>>applied Canadian content regulations to music, so why not
>>>>apply it to comic strips?
>>>
>>>  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.
>
>>Why?
>> Has the result been the growth of a mediocre Canadian musical
>>industry?
>Yes, it most emphatically has. Good god, I had to grow up listening to
>Trooper and Prism and then Gowan and Glass Tiger and Platinum
>Blonde... geez, the list just goes on. 
I, on the other hand, have been exposed to Spirit of the West, Cowboy Junkies,
Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Jane Siberry, Sarah MacLaughlin (sp?), Grapes
of Wrath (well ok. only their first e.p. and first couple of albums before they
sold out), Moev, Skinny Puppy (their earlier stuff before they became REALLY
noisy) and geez, the list does go on.  J.Bamford


Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.comics.strips
From: M19249@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.010156.7247@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:
>>Canada has already successfully
>>>>>applied Canadian content regulations to music, so why not
>>>>>apply it to comic strips?
>>>>  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.
>>>Why?
>>> Has the result been the growth of a mediocre Canadian musical
>>>industry?
>>Yes, it most emphatically has. Good god, I had to grow up listening to
>>Trooper and Prism and then Gowan and Glass Tiger and Platinum
>>Blonde... geez, the list just goes on.
>I, on the other hand, have been exposed to Spirit of the West, Cowboy Junkies,
>Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Jane Siberry, Sarah MacLaughlin (sp?), Grapes
>sold out), Moev, Skinny Puppy (their earlier stuff before they became REALLY
>noisy) and geez, the list does go on.  J.Bamford
>
>
Pardon my ignorance in this area and the somewhat nontopical (NOT MUSIC) aspect
But, didn't content regulation give us "The Great White North" sketches on the
old SCTV.  I am not arguing for or against the regs here.
If my facts are out of line feel free to flame.
-DW
"Standard disclaimer applies"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:46:06 GMT

In article <824@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
><1992Apr7.181658.10298@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
>Reply-To: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
>Distribution: na
>Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
>Keywords: none
>
>In article <1992Apr7.181658.10298@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
>schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr4.183354.20792@midway.uchicago.edu>
>mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Reading the net, I've gotten the distinct impression that many
>>>Canadians are dissatisfied with US citizens and the way they perceive
>>>and treat Canada and Canadians.  So I'm curious...
>>>Mike
>>
>
>>Well, I cannot say for sure, because I know only 1 American
>
>BZZZT! Disqualified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
>
>
>>I have nothing personal, but I would like the general attitude of
>>the american nation to change...
>
>WHY??? General attitude? Come on...
>I am willing to take criticism, but please, you are an academic, aren't you?
>
>S'il vous plait: think! then post coherent argument/critique.

Well, I said that one of my friends went to US for a postdoc.
Actually, this friend is my former supervisor, who went back from
US 2 or 3 years ago. So I formed my opinions after his personal
experience and feelings... (I found that many of his opinions and
feelings are valid, so I included them in the forming of my opinion)

But when I see that your president wants to impose HIS new world order,
or when I see that Americans don't respect the treaties they signed
(trade treaty), I can't help but considering that the American nation
thinks itself of "the bellybutton of the world", considers its friends
as so only when it suits it and so should change its attitude...

Don't you think these are valid observations???


Sylvain Chamberland      University of Waterloo
Dept. of Biology         Waterloo, Canada

"We Americans have a duty to protect the idea of freedom in the world".
Come on, it does sound "belly-button of the world", does it?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: Re:Oscar revulsion/Greg
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:02:19 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

I am absolutely sick of this topic, and don't feel like sustaining it
over the course of several weeks.  You don't know what you're talking 
about, and don't know enough to realize it.  You're
intellectually unarmed, and not worth the effort.  Every line you post
validates your utter pale knowledge; you bury yourself with your ignorance.

If it is important for you to win these self-created trivial affronts to 
secure your sense of being , and if this can only be fulfilled in arena 
such as this, then post away.  Consider yourself a winner.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2973 soc.culture.canada:3435
From: warkent@ltisun9.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:38:33 GMT
	<1992Apr14.145443.636@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Apr14.154918.6610@noao.edu>
	<1992Apr14.182046.2896@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 18:20:46 GMT

Charles E Thorne wrote:
>>Western Europe as well doesn't allow their former workers to become citizens
>>unless they're European by birth.

This is not true for France, where anyone who is legally resident
has the right to become, and is officially considered as, a French citizen.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Media Violence (was Re: Oscar Revulsion)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:23:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <204494@unix.cis.pitt.edu> jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson) writes:
>OK.  Most of the people here agree that there is way too much violence in
>the movies and on TV.  I don't think it takes a great leap of logic to say
>that all this violence must have some type of negative psychological effect on
>the American psyche.  I think there are really two issues that have to
>be addressed:
>
>	1) Is the effect a serious enough threat to our society that
>	some action should be taken?
>
>	2) If any, what action should we take?
>....

I think part of the problem is the relative acceptance of violence
and sex in the US.  For example, the first movie to receive an
NR rating (replaced X) was "Henry and June" which contained no
violence to speak of, no genital close-ups, but did show women
making love.  Meanwhile, a film can show people being violently
murdered, and be rated R, or even PG.  


-- 
Jim Lacey          
my own opinions    
email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:16:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.183354.20792@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Reading the net, I've gotten the distinct impression that many
>Canadians are dissatisfied with US citizens and the way they perceive
>and treat Canada and Canadians.  So I'm curious: given Canada and the
>US as they are, what should be changed?  What are the primary
>grievances against those south of the border, and how would you
>suggest they be addressed?
>
>Mike

Well, I cannot say for sure, because I know only 1 American, and he hates
his country (he wants to become Canadian).

But I know someone who went to the US to do a post-doctorate in biology.
His impression of the American scientists is that they dismiss
research done outside US, that only research in US is good.

I think that if Americans stopped to think themselves of "the bellybutton
of the world" as we say in French, there would be a tremendous
improvement of the relations of Americans with citizens from other
countries...
(I don't like the we-own-the-only-truth type... )

About Americans and Canadians, stop thinking that we are your carbon copy
when it suits you and thinking of us as the new ennemy when it suits
you too... (free trade, says something to you? no?  Honda cars built
in Canada? lumber? pork?)

I have nothing personal, but I would like the general attitude of
the american nation to change...


Sylvain Chamberland
Dept. of Biology
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
From: robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:35:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr14.093535.5827
Organization: Organization

In article <WARKENT.92Apr8182946@ltisun11.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun11.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>
>The point is not that we are being culturally dominated by US comic
>strips but that the predominant presence of US comic strips in
>Canadian newspapers is an impediment to Canadian cultural
>development (comics category).  Canada has already successfully
>applied Canadian content regulations to music, so why not
>apply it to comic strips?

  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.