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From: htk@munnari.oz.AU (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Chat Pattana's Northern Win
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:03:17 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
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No surprise in Chat Pattana's Northern win
The Nation Monday September 14, 1992
 
 
THE Chat Pattana (National Development) Party emerged the most
successful in the North in Yesterday's election by capturing 22 House
seats, followed closely by the Chat Thai Party with 18 seats.
 
However, the victories were not surprising, given the fact most of the
successful candidates were old faces from the defunct Samakkhitham
Party, which in the March election won 29 seats in northern provinces.
 
The Chat Thai Party could have done better. Former Samakkhitham Party
leader Narong Wongwan, arguably the most influential person in the
North, and a majority of former Samakkhitham MPs, joined the Chat Thai
Party in July.  The Chat Thai Party won only six House seats more than
it did in the March general election.
 
however, the Chat Pattana Party had managed to persuade former
Samakkhitham deputy leader sompong Amornwiwat and members of his
faction to defect to its camp.
 
The Democrat Party performed slightly better in the North by winning
eight House seats, three seats more than it did in the March poll.
 
The Palang Dharma Party, which did not win any seats in the North in
the previous election, captured six seats, most in urban
constituencies.
 
The Democrat and Palang Dharma parties' improved performances can be
attributed to their roles in the May 17-20 crisis. Both opposed the
non-elected premier Gen Suchinda Kraprayoon although Palang Dharma's
former leader Chamlong Srimuang played the more controversial role of
leading street protests which ended in a bloody crachdown.
 
The New Aspiration Party, which commanded 12 House seats in the March
election, suffered a setback and won only eight.
 
Judging from the election results, the North is still largely under
the thumb of influential people and the politics of money is very much
alive and effective as it has been.
 
The May incident, which had pervasive repercussions and stumulated
political awareness among people in Bangkok, the South and other urban
centres, did not change the way northerners tend to vote.
 
Meanwhile, the Chat Pattana and Chat Thai parties, whose members were
blamed for failure to resist the military's attempt to perpetuate its
rule under Suchinda, will for now maintain their dominance in the
region.
From: prp@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Ms. Puangpen Rayabphand - TIC Chula BKK")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Election Watch from Thailand - Nation 08/09/92
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:20:08 GMT
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POWER PLAN HANDED TO CABINET:ENERGY POLICY OFFICE PROPOSES FOUR-STEP
PRIVATIZATION THAT GIVES GOVT MORE PROFIT

Thw cabinet will today consider a comprehensive four-year proposal
to turn three electricity authorities into pulicly-traded companies,
the culmination of government efforts to privatize the power sector


EXILE AND PDP TEACH CHALERM SOME HUMILITY

Muanchon Party leader Chalerm Yoobamrung, who once stood up to
the military using his well recognized rhetorical powers,has styled
himself as a poor underdog in order to win sympathy from voters.
Instead of attacking, the Palang Dharma Party to which Chalerm lost
in the March election, the Muanchon leader has directly begged for
help from residents of Bangkok Constituency 11, admitting he cannot
compete with the overwhelming popularity of Palang Dharma de facto
leader Chamlong Srimuang.Chalerm has admitted several times he is an
underdog.
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: I am increasingly disappointed....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:12:00 GMT

In article <9225718.2466@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)         writes...
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> 
>>I am increasingly disappointed to see that no network users based in Thailand
>>are using the opportunity afforded by this forum to exchange political views.
>>Since this is probably the only uncensored and (hopefully) unmonitored means
>>of doing this in Thailand, I wonder why not?
> 
>How many people do you think they can access to the network?  When I use the
>word "network", I mean a real network which you are used to it.  The one that
>people can READ and POST news, so that they can EXCHANGE thier opinion which
>you would like it to be in that way....
> 
>By this time I would say only few people can read and post news, whihc I think
>not more than 10.  I'm not underestimate, but that's the way it is at least
>at this time.  Remember, only Chula people are on the net, people outside
>Chula get only e-mail service at this time.
> 
>Yes, there is a network to Thailand, but the news system is not set up yet.
>Give them time, people there are trying to do their best to make their network
>serve every one.  They just start.  However, since they are realised that we
>people outside Thailand are waiting for news from that end, they are trying
>to support us by the way they can do.  If you take a look on the header lines
>of news articles from Thailand, you would have been surprised about its path.
>They are sending news by e-mail to us via Melbourne, at least for this time
>when people are waiting for the eclection result.  They have tried thier best,
>should we still want to criticise them about copying news article from 
>newspaper?
> 
>As mentioned above, since they hardly can read news from outside the country,
>how can they respond to other people's opinion?
> 
>Nittida

Thanks for your information.  I had not realised that so few people in Thailand
could read and post news, and this would of course account for the fact that
we do not see any discussion from people in Thailand.  I have said that I
am grateful for posting of newspaper articles, but I feel it would be a shame
if there were no free exchange of views etc.

Is the internet mail and usenet post monitored inside Thailand - does anyone
know??
Laurence
From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Miss "ngaw ngoo" in Mac Thai fonts
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:36:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

In article <1992Sep2.112214.5106@gw.wmich.edu>, cooneys@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> I was excited to find Thai fonts on mac.archive.umich.edu 
> and  downloaded them last night. But today I discover that 
> while they work beautifully, there is a missing letter! 
> There's no "ngaw ngoo", despite the fact that the keyboard 
> template supplied shows it where it ought to be. Does anyone 
> know why, or how to fix this? Alternatively, is there 
> another source for Thai fonts for the Mac, for those of us 
> who don't have access to a whole Thai system?
> 
> 
>                -- Seamus Cooney, Department of English, 
> 		  Western Michigan University, Kalamazoo, MI 49008
> 		  e-mail: COONEYS@wmich.edu

A deal between the National Electronics and Computer Technology Center and
the Thai Electronic Publishing Consortium is underway to convince font
vendors in the TEP Consortium to put Thai font(s) into public domain.
Typeface/style registration procedures are being formulated.

For the Macintosh platform, have you looked at System 7.1beta with
WorldScript?
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From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thaipolitics
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:58:51 +0700
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

In article <1992Sep8.003037.26969@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu () writes:
> 
> I wonder if any of us in Thailand
> could help post updating reports on the election day?
> I'm pretty sure that many of us who live abroad are curious to find out.

Oh, why should you ask?

Here's a preamble.

General elections will be held on Sunday 13th September, 1992 between
8:00-15:00.

Like passed elections, official results from Ministry of Interior are
expected within 24 hours; this would appear in Tuesday's newspapers.

Unofficial results (which party gets how many) are expected on Monday
morning Bangkok time with full list of MPs to be sent to soc.culture.thai
later in the week.

Eligible voters are:
 - Thai citizens with age above 20 with their names appear on household
   registration and showing up at poll booth with an official ID card;
 - Immegrants who have been living in Thailand for more than 10 years.

There were discussions about the Thais living abroad might have their own
MPs but I understand that the constitution (and perhaps the election bill
too) must be amended before this would become reality.
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: I am increasingly disappointed....
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:30:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep12.194214.13366@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuch writes...
>In article <12SEP199210374898@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I am increasingly disappointed to see that no network users based in Thailand
>>are using the opportunity afforded by this forum to exchange political views.
>>Since this is probably the only uncensored and (hopefully) unmonitored means
>>of doing this in Thailand, I wonder why not?
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> 
>How many people do you think have access to this network?  How many people
>from that group have a computer (or terminal) ready on their desk to access
>this forum actively?  If Dr. Laurence donates some money to help setting
>up networks in Thailand, I am positive that there will be more people 
>participating in this forum. 


Sawasdee khrap,

   According to t6oe BKK post, 400 people have access, and other students
through a terminal in Chula library.  I think that is enough to generate
some exchange of views, don't you?  That excludes those Thais working
for DEC etc.

    Dr Laurence would be delighted to donate some money if he had any,
but as he's not working at present that makes it rather difficult to do so.
Besides, Chula University is not that short of money - I recall it receives
very large sums in foreign aid and research grants, and still larger sums
disappear into private bank accounts (I am thinking of the well-known
scandal at Chula)!

   regards Lauremce
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: summary
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:20:25 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
Reply-To: "Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay" <fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th>
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Five provinces in E-Sarn (North-East) have 100 % turn out.

For Bangkok:
12 districts in all
		last time	this time
Palang Thum	32		23
Democrat	1		9
Prachakorn Thai	2		2
Muan Chon	0		1

Party leaders being elected as MP:

	Chuan		Democrat
	Arthit		Seree Tham
	Chaovalit	Kuam Wang Mai
	Sarmak		Prachakon Thai
	Pramarn		Chart Thai
	Chartchai	Chart Pattana
	Chalerm		Muan Chon
	Montree		Kij Sunkom
	Uthai		Ekkapap
	Chaipak		Rassadorn
	Chamlong	Palang Tham (de facto leader)

Party leaders not being elected as MP:

	Siri		Palang Tham (the real leader)
	Sophon		Prachachon


fyta
Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Hello, and will have some results in a while (fwd)
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:51:04 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

 
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:44:11 +0700
From: somsak@chulkn.chula.ac.th
To: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th
Cc: somsak@chulkn.chula.ac.th
Subject: Hello, and will have some results in a while

Good evening. This is just to check the lob -in (line quality, etc)
and to confirm that I will be uploading the results as we have them tabulated
w This will be a little later this evening. This line (215-9211) appears 
clean, while some others were rather noisy. Be back later with a posting 
for postthai

----- End of forwarded message

So we will have something concrete from the authority after all.

fyta

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: ThaiPolitics
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:32:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.210246.22778@news2.cis.umn.edu> mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu () writes:
>Do you think we here can do anything for our country at
>this moment?

If we could find some way to voice our concern...  some way to send our
messages to the 4 parties ...  to warn them not to betray the people.
If Dem or PDP party joins the evil parties or lets CPT join in the new 
goverment,  Chuan/Jamlong will certainly destroy his own reputation
and credibility.  The cost of lossing trust from the people is far greater
than the cost of having an unstable goverment.  

>Can you imagine what will happen if ChartThai,
>ChartPatana, and maybe New Aspiration parties form the new 
>government?  I'm getting nervursed now.

Don't forget other possibilities : Dem + CT + CPT, Dem + CT + NA, 
Dem + CPT + NA, etc.  All combinations look equally ugly. 

>It means those people like Banharn, Narong, Chatichai, Pramuan Pramaan and
>other crabs will come back.

Crab's life cycle:   
     1) With a suitable environment (under-educated poor people),
        crabs lay their eggs (buying votes and all kinds of tricks). 
     2) Then when the right day comes (election day), the eggs hatch 
	bringing out more crabs (getting elected in large number). 
     3) They allocate the territory (forming the goverment) where each of
        then can eat and then start eating.   When they become fat (unusally 
        rich), they are ready (for a new election) to lay eggs again. 

To get rid of these crabs:
     1) prevent them from reaching the suitable environment. 
     2) Don't let (unusally) fat crabs lay more eggs.  

>And God knows what kind of person Chaovalit is.
>Let's think about the possibility.
>Thian

We'll know soon.
From: somsak@munnari.oz.AU (Somsak Boonsamran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Projected election results (10 p.m. September 13, 1992)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:10:19 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Election Result *Predictions* as of 10 p.m. based on unofficial counts and
 exprapolations as reports come in (over the Bangkok Bank's network to the
 Bangkok Post newspaper).
Democrat	78 seats
Chart Thai	77 seats
Chart Pattana 	62 seats
New Aspiration	52 seats
Palang Dhamma	47 seats
Social Action 	22 seats
Solidarity	 8 seats
Seritham	 7 seats
Prachakorn Thai	 3 seats
Muan Chon	 3 seats
Rassadorn	 1 seats
 Total seats...360
 This figure will be updated here as results are confirmed -- your Sysop
 (not the Sysop here -- this message is from the Post Database BBS in Bangkok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Thaiglish in 5 Minutes
Originator: fstawit@icomp01
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion -NASA Lewis
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:39:06 GMT


------------------------------------------------------------------------
I had trouble posting thru Kent Gateway, so I repost this article with
some modifications. Hope none of you saw it before.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I came up with a 'heart' to help remember the basic vowels' corresponsence.

Car hits thru wet snow.
fUhrer grAnts hEr  mOre.
 U'     kA'   lE^  kO'   (i.e., Sheep's excrement dirtied the island)

The fisrt line covers all the lower-case vowels. Their sounds are
(more or less) the same as the English counterparts. 

The second and third lines cover the upper-case vowels. Each vowel
in the Thaiglish phrase in the third line corresponds word by
word with the U A E O of the English phrase in the second line.
The English in the second line also pronounce (American E) very much
the same as in Thaiglish, except perhaps 'Fuhrer' [I have always pronounced
Fuhrer as (in Thaiglish) fUU-hAA-.] Even if you pronounce the second
line differently, it'd still be OK since it's fixed by the 3rd line
anyway.

All three lines are for short-sound vowels only, regardless of how
long it is required to pronounce in English. For long-sound vowels,
just double the alphabets.

IMO, this will help especially when you don't have a printed page
of the convention handy. You just recite the above three lines and 
write down the corresponding vowels in Thai.

I guess the excess vowels and the rest need be remembered individually.

Perhaps, we should compete on how to device a better 'heart' to 
remember this Thaiglish thing. I just threw the first ball to get
the game started.

chan+yau-   chan+khlau+  chan+thUng"
chan+jUng-  maa-haa+     kwaam-maay+
chan+wang+  keb'a'rai-   maak"maay-
sud'thaay^  chan+daay"   kra'daas'    phAn'diaaw-

                         -- Wisa  KhanThap ?

I was young, I was dumb, I was amazed.
That was why I went to college.
I hoped to understand life's phenomena.
All I got was a piece of (worthless) diploma.

-Tawit

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I'll postpone it tomorrow. Today, I'm too busy postponing 
things I should have postponed yesterday.
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From: prp@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Ms. Puangpen Rayabphand - TIC Chula BKK")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Election Watch from Thailand - BKK Post 09/09/92
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:36:16 GMT
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CANDIDATE'S MASSAGE PARLOUR TREAT EXPOSED

The PollWatch Commission will ask the Suphan Buri governor to
investigate reports that a prominent Chart Thai candidate in the
province violated the election law by throwing a dinner party and
entertaining supporters at a Bangkok massage parlour. Some 150 
supporters mostly from Suphan Buri province were reportedly taken
to Chao Phaya2 massage parlour on two transport buses straight from
the stadium. All men supporters were given coupons for free service 
at the parlour while women supporters were entertained at the party
until 10.00 p.m. PollWatch caught them red-handed and the photographs
substantiate that.


CHEERING ON DEMOCRACY

About 100 Thai residents of the United States give democracy their
rousing support at Democracy Monument yesterday morning where they
laid wreaths in memory of those killed during the May demonstrations.
About 200 Thais living in the U.S. have returned to register their
vote and undertake activities aims at promoting democracy.


DEMOCRACY DRIVE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN KHON KAEN

Party  convassers have largely thwarted efforts by a group of academics,
students and businessmen here to conduct a democracy campaign. The group
led by Khon Khen University rector Vanchai  Vatanasapt, has been organising
"democratic forums" troughout the province in the hope of raising people's
political awareness.


CHATICHAI VOWS TO RESCIND LAWS ISSUED BY NPKC

Chart Pattana Party leader Chatichai Choonhavan vowed yesterday that
he will abolish all laws issued by The National Peace-Keeping Council
including the one which seized his assets, if he is made prime minister
after the election.


ARMY TO AVOID POLITICS

First Army Region commander Chettha Thanacharo yesterday reconfirmed
a pledge by Army Commande-in-Chief Gen Vimol Wongwanich that the 
military would not get involved in politics. Comments on former prime
minister Kukrit Pramoj's prediction that the military might stage another
coup if post-election politics are in a mess, Lt.-Gen Chettha sais, as
a soldier, he would follow his superior's order to stay away from politics.
From: prp@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Ms. Puangpen Rayabphand - TIC Chula BKK")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Election Watch from Thailand - Nation 05/09/92
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:49:26 GMT
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MANY ERRORS FOUND IN LIST OF VOTERS

Don't be surprised if there are mistakes on the list of eligible
voters on your household registration because even the chairman 
of the official election monitoring body could not escape them.


BOSS AND JEERS MAR POLLWATCH FORUM

A PollWatch - Organized forum to familiarize army personal with
parliamentary democracy, election candidates and political platforms,
held at the Army Officers Club yesterday, was marred by noisy hecking,
intolerance and intimidation. Most of scathing comments were directed
at Palang Dharma Party while the pro - military Prachakorn Thai candidate
was given a warm welcome.


UTHAI LOSING GRASSROOTS SUPPORT IN CHON BURI

Solidarity Party leader Uthai Pimchaichon, former house speaker
and seven - time MP, seems resigned to an uncertain political fate
in the face of strong competition from Chat Pattana Party candidates
supported by Chon Buri's influential business tycoon, Kamnan Poh.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th ("Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay")
Subject: Poor Thailand
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:58:28 +0700 (THA)
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I am sorry that although we have connection to the Internet and
400 hundred users on the system, we cannot actively participate
in the group discussion of the net.

The connection is just one and a half months old.  We have
limited facilities for people to access the system.  Most of the
accounts are just for show.  We even have the former Premier
Khun Anand as a user on this system since he is a member of the
University's Senate.

Also, we have not installed the news s/w on our system yet.  I
posted teh news using normal mail and have to log in to remote
machine to read news.  Not many people know how to do this.

Another thing is that news reading is not on the priority list
for us at the moment.  Most of the users want to contact their
colleagues on the other side for their research work.  They
don't even have time for local news how can they be interested
in chit chat on the network.

The net serves people and not the other way around.  This
facility is extremely expensive at the moment.  Please excuse us
if we misplace our priority.

Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
Center of Academic Resources		Voice:	(662) 218 2925
Chulalongkorn University		Fax:	(662) 215 3617
Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand	Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th

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