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From: gls@windmill.att.com (the Colonel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Lucifer Etymology
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:17:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation

In <1992Apr14.134139.6341@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00pebenson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> 
> The way I understand it is that the morning star was Venus and was called 
> Lucifer because it was the brightest star in the morning.

No, because it brought daylight after it.  The Greeks called it Phosphorus,
which means the same thing.

If it appeals to you, there are companies that will name a star after YOU!

-:-
	Once a student asked the master Zoku: "Is the Buddha-nature
	  simple or complex?"
	Zoku replied, "It is complex--so complex that you can never
	  comprehend it."
	The student then said, "I do not believe you.  Who are you,
	  anyway?  I never heard of you."
	Of course not.  There never was any such master as Zoku.

			--Reader's Digest Treasury of Monk Jokes
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
From: wh13+@andrew.cmu.edu (Waseem Hussain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: work for hire
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:41:57 GMT
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


does anyone know what work for hire is?
it always seems to pop up when people talk about creator rights. what
are some other issues buggin' those creators?  Have there been any
writer defections to Malibu yet?

so many questions!

waseem hussain
From: sexkittn@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Yes, Its Another Late Terman Reviews (Cerebus, Steed & Mrs. Peel)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:16:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Apr8.205854.12782@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU 
(Mutant for Hire) writes:

>Okay, Sim stated in an interview, that each of the following books will
>bee an allegory for the corresponding book in the first half of the total
>run. That is, this first part of Mothers and Daughters will be an allegory
>for the original Cerebus run. Which means this sucker is going to run for
>about twenty five issues or so, though Sim may be more flexible about the
>length of each segment. So 1994 seems like a reasonable endpoint.

Well, I may be totally misinterpreting here but I thought he said that the 
'books' of Mothers & Daughters were to be allegories of the 'novels' in the 
first half. I don't really see what bearing this has on the length of M&D, 
since obviously the 'books' are not going to be the same length as the 
'novels' and there's no reason to imagine they'll be the same length as each 
other...

Then again I'm probably just being obnoxiously pedantic...

______________________________[sexkittn@dcs.qmw.ac.uk]
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From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Return of the JSA!!!
Keywords: Hawkman, Crisis
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:53:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.kgZNiB2w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

> In article <1992Mar30.070105.6339@midway.uchicago.edu> gmf2@midway.uchicago.e
> >I haven't kept up with DC since the Crisis. 
> >I did read the first few issues of Hawkworld htough.
> >
> >Could someone explain how Hawkman fits into the JLA? 
> 
> 	Okay, here's the deal (as far as I understand it).
> (this is all post Crisis, I can explain how it used to work, if 
> anyone cares.)
> Carter Hall (the first Hawkman) is the reincarnation of 
> an Egyptian Prince, Khufu or something like that.  He 
> invented, with the help of Paran Katar the 9th metal
> belt and wings that allow him to fly.  Paran Katar was 
> a Thanagarian operative, spying on Earth.  He later
> invented the wings and devices used by the Thanagarian 
> Hawk-Police.  As Hawkman, Hall was the chairman of the
> JSA for many years, and co-chaired the All-Star Squadron 
> with Liberty Belle. 
> 	Many years later, when the JLA formed, Hawkman 
> came out of retirement and joined the JLA, acting as their
> 'elder statesman' and was a liason between the JLA and the
> re-formed JSA.  (the JSA and some of their signifcant others
> were exposed to life-extending magic by Ian Karkull, a 
> JSA villain)
> 	The JSA then went into Ragnarok right after the 
> Crisis.  (The reasons for their going will change from
> the "Last Days of the JSA" special, so says writer John Ostrander,
> who is going to let the JSA escape Ragnarok in the mini
> series Armageddon:Inferno.)
> 	Then it gets kind of hazy.  There was someone named 
> Hawkman in the JLA between the Crisis and Invasion, but we
> have no idea who he is.  He may have been retconned out of existance,
> 
> 	Next, Katar Hol, the son of Paran Katar, comes to 
> Earth as part of a cultural exchange between Thanagar and
> Earth.  The exchange came as a way of patching up relations 
> between the two planets after Thanagar got its butt whupped
> (along with a bunch of other alien planets) in Invasion.
> He is a sorta-super-hero, Hawkman. 

One extra bit, because of the Hawkworld Retcon, Carter hall went from a 
blond to a brunette. (Also there's this Carter Hall Jr. who just popped 
up in Hawkworld. Great, no Hector (wonder where he got his bolnd hair 
from) Hall has a long lost brother.)


Dascoser
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: TOM DEFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:54:59 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Apr8.154724.19791@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> In article <sdsQhFa00VoiQ7V18g@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>>Tom DeFalco is a real fascist dictator. I spoke with him on the phone
>>and he is a stubborn old man with no heart. AND he has little use for
>>anyone but a Marvel editor writing Marvel stories.
>>
>>Don't read FF 355 or later, or Thor 383 or later. We don't want you to
>>turn to stone. However, in the latest FF letters page DeFalco comments
>>that the reason the FF and Thor are the way they are is that he's trying
>>to preserve the "tradition" of the 60s.
> 
> It seems strange that DeFalco would say he's trying to "preserve the 
> 'tradition' of the 60s," and then give us a totally new Thor the way he 
> did.  Or is the "tradition" bad storytelling?  Either way, he's a
> hypocrite and an a**hole who should leave the comic book industry to
> the people who CARE about the books and characters, not just selling
> comics.

I don't like DeFalco's editorial direction either, BUT his job is not
making "good" comics or to care about the comics industry.  His job is 
making comics people will BUY.  He seems quite good at it.  If you don't 
like Thor, drop the title, I did.  The only thing he has done which 
surprised me was not starting X-Factor overat issue 1 when Peter David 
took the helm.  It would strike me as a typical cheap marketing ploy
to sell more issues at that point, especially given the book's change in
direction. (Is David considered a "hot" writer?)
From: Dino.Ciccone@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Dino Ciccone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Artists for the Xbooks
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:31:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


The message was in meant to be in response to the the new artist list  
for the x-books.  I really don't care to much for xforce but the new
artist will be DAN PANOSIAN he has done the artist of the newer that came
out on Wednesday.  He also did an pin up in one of the books I think it  
was Xforce itself.

I don't mind the list that is put out I think it will be quite
interesting to see what the books will have to offer.  I am more curious
to see who will plottin scripting and inking in the books.

Like will S. Williams be staying on as is and will Byrne finally get to do 
something in the XMEN books????

W
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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: Batman's Dog
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:39:17 GMT

In article <92106.165329UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry) writes:
>Well, the trivia night at the bar in our town decided to honor me with
>another comics question again; and, once again, I was stumped.
>
>What was the name of Batman's dog?
>
>(the Joan Jett question decathalon I passed with no trouble, of course :-)
>

Ace the Bathound, who wore a mask to PROTECT HIS SECRET IDENTITY!!!!!

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From: WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Lucifer, Phoenix, etc. (was Re: SANDMAN: LUCIFER'S NAME)
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:09:39 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

what I had heard in conjunction with "light bringer" is that lucifer was the
name of the morning star at one point (or lucifer was "bright morning star").
Dunno know the validity of said claim and take no responsibility for error.
 
normy
From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:26:27 GMT
 <1992Apr12.000735.5448@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Apr12.000735.5448@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu
(m e bracher) says:
>
>DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>   Ben Kenobi is IN me???????!!!!!!!
>
>yup.
>
>the full quote goes *something* like:
>
>        "Ben Kenobi is dead," said Vader.
>
>        "Ben Kenobi is in me!" Luke snarled.
>
>(at which Vader was somewhat taken aback)

Hey, I would be, too, if someone told me that Ben Kenobi or anyone was in them.
That sounds like a personal thing, you know?

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:24:10 GMT

In <1992Apr13.180035.23655@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> crew@CS.Stanford.EDU (Roger Crew) writes:
>  Dream      Dustin Hoffman

AAAAAAA! He's TOO SHORT!

>  Death      Geena Davis

Blortch.  Too cute.  Not sinister looking enough.  (gotta have a *little*
edge, ya know)

>  Destiny    James Earl Jones

That I could see.

>  Desire     Tim Curry

yes.

>  Despair    John Candi

Ick.

I'd say despair would be better as someone much much more disgusting
looking (and a better actor/actress to boot) than Candy.

>  Delirium   Winona Ryder

maybe if she could act a little better.  I could actually see her as death
too, except she's so young.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
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    Sometimes I forget things.  Who I am.  Where I am.  Unimportant things.
                       But I'm not insane.  I am a tick.
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From: dfmaki@descartes.waterloo.edu (Dean Maki)
Subject: Re: New Universe, bring it back!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:43:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.203621.2863@vax.muskingum.edu> ed_medeiros@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>I've been reading a lot about the NU lately.  I was also a loyal reader to a
>couple of titles such as Justice and PSI Force.  When I saw the cover of Quasar
>which took place in the NU, I just had to get it.
 
 As did I when I heard about it on the net, I had to search the bins to find it.
 Only it was a let down to me.  It seemed that the story  was just there to say
 "Hey Look!  We didn't really forget about the NU.  It's still here.  Take a 
  Gander.  O.K. back to the regular stroy."  Now if the story lasted two or 
  three issues in the NU, i would probably feel different.

>I only had one complaint,
>they only mentioned Justice and he didn't have an appearance.  He still is one
>of my favorite characters.  I've read that they might be bringing them back. 

 What was Justice about.  I only really followed DP 7 due to a limited budget.
 I seem to remember someone saying on the net that PAD wrote it.  Is this true?
 I may have to relook at my few issues that I did pick up to see if I missed
 anything. (Hey, it was a LONG time ago and I'm not that old to begin with.)

>Has anybody heard anything about that?  I've also read that they were going to
>continue the story about the Antibody that followed Quasar back and the
>Starbrand.  Any one else have any feelings about the New Universe?????
>
 I seem to remember it being said that the Starbrand never REALLY leaves the
 person who has it, but after it's been transfered it slowly builds up power
 again.  If this is true, then it it possible that Quasar, in addition to his
 Bands, now has (or will have) the Starbrand.  Ouch....Don't mess with that
 guy if it's true.  I would like to see the Antibody take a part in the Marvel
 Universe, but it is rather useless without Andy (that is Antibody's name ennit? )  Well, a little NU is better than no NU.

/\/\ /-\ ]<
:"Funny, I usually get more distance from a Spalding" - A. Bug
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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.220746.17388@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>Kevvy Kev
>
>PS: Wouldn't it be nice if someone took over this title that could actually
>draw, and someone else wrote some stories about what would realistically 
>happen if a man could run/move at incredible speeds?


Realistically, a man moving at three-four times the speed of sound 
would burn up from the friction. "Realism" is nice, but this medium we
are all fans of (presumably) requires a modicum of suspension of
disbelief. Of course, if you were referring to realism in another sense,
I apologize.
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital, just
with an incredible number of bits.
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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: Squid T-Shirt Boffo At Thing
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:33:16 GMT

In article <9204080134.AA28346@oasun1.us.oracle.com>
wkaufman@us.oracle.com writes:
>In article <scs.702244520@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>] Wore my SS T-Shirt to the annual gathering of the Dorsai Irregulars
>] last weekend.  Got *lots* of nice compliments; told folks to hit
>] their comic shops and buy back issues.
>
>    Strange,...I wore mine to NorWesCon, an SF convention with
>several comics folks--Donna Barr and Steve Gallacci among them.  The
>only person to comment was a clerk at the Woolworth's.

Maybe you weren't working the extra arms correctly.  You have to hold
them out front, and wave them around loosely, so they fit in.

Never mind.  I didn't say that.  The last thing we need is a bunch of
Squidfen doing the "Secret Suicide-Squid Saline Salute".

Besides, I'm not sure behavior like that would stand out at an SF con
anyway.

-David
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Comics in Songs (was: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 04:07:44 GMT

In article <wdvY3LO00WDKE0yVwc@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>spinderella and bruce li

Lee.  Bruce Li's name appeared in Love and Rockets, though (the comic,
not the band, of course).  Now class, I hope everyone knows who Spinderella 
is (peers archly and hiply over his glasses, at the students)... 

>I also seem to recall some other references to comics in at least one
>other song, but I can't think of it offhand.

Here's another one for the list (I hope whoever is compiling it still 
watches for these).  And it's another Genesis one; I may have already
posted it but I don't think so.  "Scenes From A Night's Dream" on the
_And Then There Were Three..._ album is about Winsor McCay's "Little
Nemo in Slumberland".  It mentions Nemo and Morpheus 8^) by name, as
well as recounting actual incidents from the McCay strips.

"Little Nemo rubbed his eyes and got out of bed,
Trying hard to piece together a broken dream;
His visions lifelike and full of imagination --
Strange to think they came from such a tiny head..."

If we already covered this one, I apologize.  Could the keeper of that
file please e-mail a copy?  Thanks.
--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
"I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat..."     -King Crimson, "Indiscipline"
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Longshot, etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:38:44 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr9.054219.10095@reed.edu>, tbroudy@lust.reed.edu (Timothy Malcolm Broudy) writes:
> 
>   Somewhere in the middle of things, I lost the whole storyline... In one  
> of the X-men issues of a few years ago, the group was in a fight w/ some  
> beings, including Spiral. Spiral ripped out Longshot's spine. Longshot  
> turned into Mojo-kind. That was the last I saw of the whole thing. 
> .. what happened?


	I can't remember the issue number, but that was the issue
where Longshot took off to "find himself"...what you saw was a dream
of Longshot's...somehow Storm was involved and actually remembered the 
dream upon waking on Gateway's hill...so somehow Gateway was involved...
-- 

	Not many answers here, I know, but...


	Eric




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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:35:53 GMT


Shouldn't this be alt.ho'od.win?  :-)

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: TOM DEFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:47:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <sdsQhFa00VoiQ7V18g@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>Tom DeFalco is a real fascist dictator. I spoke with him on the phone
>and he is a stubborn old man with no heart. AND he has little use for
>anyone but a Marvel editor writing Marvel stories.
>
>Don't read FF 355 or later, or Thor 383 or later. We don't want you to
>turn to stone. However, in the latest FF letters page DeFalco comments
>that the reason the FF and Thor are the way they are is that he's trying
>to preserve the "tradition" of the 60s.

It seems strange that DeFalco would say he's trying to "preserve the 
'tradition' of the 60s," and then give us a totally new Thor the way he 
did.  Or is the "tradition" bad storytelling?  Either way, he's a
hypocrite and an a**hole who should leave the comic book industry to
the people who CARE about the books and characters, not just selling
comics.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:18:35 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <gspjgc_@lynx.unm.edu> From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)

>     Spoilers Ho:

> 

>     I just heard some news on the Comics-L list about Nightwing
>  and Starfire.  Apparently, DC is planning on marrying these two
>  off.  All I can say is:

>   NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!

>    This is an incredibly STUPID idea.  It will limit both characters
>  massively.  Also, it will prematurely end the Nightwing/Starfire/
>  Mirage triangle.  Needless to say, I am pissed.


Limit the characters? I think not.

Donna Troy has not been limited by her marriage.

Their relationship (non-physical) is limited by them not being
married.  The current relationship is at a standstill.
Obviously this is not the idea of editor since the idea
is not brain dead.

Triangles between unmarried people are boring. A triangle
when a married coiuple is involved is more interesting -
it is a bigger violation when a married person strays -
see the movie "Fatal Attraction" for an example.

P.S. go change your pants; they are wet
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From: n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr12.000735.5448
Organization: Western Washington University

DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>   Ben Kenobi is IN me???????!!!!!!!

yup.

the full quote goes *something* like:

	"Ben Kenobi is dead," said Vader.

	"Ben Kenobi is in me!" Luke snarled.

(at which Vader was somewhat taken aback)

- amtt
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