From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep for PowerPC --- THE ONLY CHOICE
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:09:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.184001.8814@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt) writes:
>>NeXT will have these covered before Taligent ships.  They've already got 
>>680x0, and are on the verge of having x86s and Pentium.  RISC (like the 
>>DG Aviion) are well under way and expected shortly.  At best, Taligent will
>>match NeXTs schedule.
>Depends on what info you use.  In my Mac & IBM info posting I pointed out that:
>"Mac 7.0:  Apple has System 7.0 running off Intel Chips and is looking at 
> making this version available for IBM (ComputerWorld Nov 2/92). {This is a 
> maybe.  It's more likely that this is a testing of Apple OS code on Intel 
> chips for PowerOpen}  DOS programs would probably require an 
> emulator/interpreter to run, al la SoftPC or OS/2.
>PowerOpen(AU/X 4.0): Rumor is that this could be the OS for IBM's PowerPC 601 
> due out in early 1993 [Apple's PowerPC 601 is not due out until Jan 1994.]  
> {Supports the theory of Apple planning to be both a hardware and software 
> company.}"

Apple isn't a hardware and software company already? 
>>Rather interesting...Looks like Taligent has a long way to go to catch up!
>It is important to remeber that Tailigent is as much a composit OS as it is
>a new OS. Taligent will blend System 7.X, Mac 7.0, PowerOpen (A/UX), and
>AIX, and OS/2 into a cohesive whole.  So Taligent OS will NOT have a long

Forgive me, but this sounds sickening.  The last thing I want is System 7,
A/UX, AIX, and OS/2 wrapped up into a gigantic spitball, especially when
I can get NeXTSTEP.

>way to go; it just has to fit its component parts together.  Being on the
>verge of something and having it out are two VERY different things {System 7.0.0
>and Window NT come to mind} Fact: Apple NOW has thier OS on intel chips and
>is only looking to market the thing.  Fact: The Taligent OS prototype called

Are they having a problem writing hardware drivers?  I wouldn't
trust it - after all, it is version 1.0 of an operating system!  No
way I'd trust that to speak my weight. :)

>PowerOpen is a year AHEAD of sceduale {and is likely being sent with the
>NuBus PowerPC cards to Apple "A-level" developers.} Fact: Apple ran system
>7.x on the RS/6000 as a demo of PowerOpen/Taligent.  Fact: the PowerPC is
>out and the Pentium is now looking at a March reliece date.  Fact: UNIX apps
>are a pain to find and are EXPENDSIVE compaired to their DOS, Window
>counterparts. Right NOW BOTH the NeXT and the usefulness of UNIX are very 
>limited and are like the Mac was between 1984-1987.  Until UNIX becomes the
>OS of most machines, John Q. Public is going to look at the issue "Can I
>get software for my machine at the store?"  In order store software avalbilty
>follows this pattern: DOS{always}, Amiga{most of the time}, Windows{Maybe},
>Mac{somewhat rare if avalable}, UNIX{never}. Sad to say it is not power
>that drives the general consumer but how the computer is marketed.

So you're saying I should buy PowerOpen because it will be marketed 
better?
 
>The AppleII was the FIRST mass marketed pc, but IBM captured the market
>with larger production, open architecture{everybody could clone the
>machine}, and their rep of being THE computer company. The Amiga relized it
>could not compete with IBM and so went into a 'nitch' market.  
>Apple carved out an expanding nitch with the GUI idea of the Mac which 
>resulted in Windoze 1.0 and latter Windows 3.1 for IBMs.
>The NeXT may be a better computer then the Mac or IBM BUT the conbination
>of the two companies will drive the NeXT, like the Amiga, into a very small
>nitch market. {IBM brings the computer rep and the salespeople, Apple 
>brings the idea of a controled machine enviromant and OS development
>experience.} We have seen the world of computers and ugh! what a mess.

IBM has been selling a lot lately, hasn't it?  Yes, the computer
world is a mess, and your post correctly indicates the state of
the computer world. :)


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