From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Guilty?
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In article <nyikos.719008727@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <1992Oct11.191903.9648@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>In article <Bvv5FC.FvE@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>>
>>>[Janis Cortese]
>>>> Ridiculous.  If I had a kid and someone threatened it, I'd slit their
>>>> throat wide open and drink their blood with a smile in my face.  In the
>>>> wild, as you say, women are the protectors and providers for their
>>>> children.  This requires that they have a greater capacity for general
>>>> nastiness than any male.
>>>
>>>In light of the controversy over Will Steeves' statements,
>>>let me recall some responses.
>>>
>>>. Is Janis Cortese violent?
>
>>I don't consider her to be.  I don't think you can be said to be "violent"
>>for saying that you would protect your children.  I think that's a pretty
>>healthy parental instinct.
>
>How about protecting one's unborn children?

I think its a pretty healthy instinct for a pregnant woman to want to protect
her unborn children.  I think it's a pretty healthy instinct for a man to
want to protect his unborn children.  I don't think it's a healthy instinct
for a man to say he might kill a woman for showing him "disrespect".

>
>>>. Is Janis Cortese an unbalanced woman who should be kept away from children?
>
>>Nope.
>
>You agree, Cochran?  Why are you so sure just the opposite is true
>of Will, *mutatis mutandis* [change "woman" to "man", etc.]?

I don't think Will should be kept away from children either.  Unless one
of them is pregnant by him...

>
>>>. Would Janis Cortese slit someone's throat for bumping into her child
>>>  on a subway car?
>
>>*THREATEN*
>>>
>>>. Would Janis Cortese slit the throat of a child who threatened her child?
>
>>Isn't this just a tad *too* hypothetical? Or are you just trying to drum up
>>support for Will?  (If this is leading into the "but Will was just trying
>>to protect the life of *HIS* child, I'd like to remind you that I don't
>>consider it a child until it's born).
>
>But Will did, and the subject is HIS frame of mind, not yours.  

Will also clearly stated that if a woman *showed him disrespect* he would
kill her, not *if she killed his born/unborn child*.

>[The foregoing is Exhibit B in "The Museum of `Ancient and Justified'
>Self-Centeredness."  Exhibit A was when I talked about few pro-choicers
>really opposed personally to abortion for a number of reasons such as gender 
>selection, and Cochran countering by saying that if HE were pregnant
>HE would not have an abortion, and even accusing me of knowing *nothing*
>about *him* for having made the remark...*him*, the man who once volunteered
>to be the doer to my body.]

Gee, Peter, if you know so much about me, please answer the following:

My date, time, and place of birth.

The name of my third grade teacher.

My corrected and uncorrected visual acuity.

My religious affiliation.

The name of the company I work for.

The two projects I am working on.

Should be easy for a man of such intelligence and logic...

>
>>Isn't this getting just a tad too hypothetical?  Will made a very explicit
>>statement.  If a woman showed him so much disrespect as to have an abortion,
>			       ^^^
>>and not only not tell him immediatly afterwards, but waited a year, he would
>>probably snap right there and kill the woman on the spot.
>
>Will's statement did NOT say who the object of disrespect was.  It could
>have been his unborn child, for all YOU know, Cochran.

Right.  He's pissed off because the "WarmCuteFuzzyUnbornBaby" forced the
woman into having an abortion, so he'll just kill the first thing that
passes by...  Boy, you're *REALLY* giving Will some good support here...

>>>
>>>. Mothers have done such things.  Should we restrain all mothers?
>
>>Why?  Should we restrain all fathers?
>
>This seems to be precisely the Politically Correct attitude Don
>was countering with his remark.  Care to go around once more?

Sure.  I see a major difference between a man who kills a burgler because
he's threatening his pregnant wife, and a man who kills a woman because
she shows him "disrespect".

>[Actually, I don't think it will happen: Don is not as prone
>to selective deletions as Cochran, though Storga is still the
>champ in that category, with Susan Garvin a close second.]

Where does Doug Holtsinger fit in?

>>>
>>>I think not.  In particular, I saw no reason to interpret "with a smile
>>>on my face" as a sign of violent insanity; rather, it seems a figurative
>>>description intended to emphasize her point.
>
>>I'll agree with you there.  What does this have to do with Will's post?
>
>As you once said to me, you-of-whom-I-know-nothing:
>
>AAAUGH	boish boish boish boish boish
(What is that noise?  Peter's neuron trying to work?)

>
>Stop playing dumb, __________
>
>You said "Peter", I say "Keith".  With much more justification.

I'll bet you're still not Ancient... :]
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