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From: fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi)
Subject: Re: Fluval Filters
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:25:02 GMT


	Sam,

	My experience with Fluvals is that they do not move enough water to 
be effective in a freshwater system. 

	As an additional filter I'm sure it can only improve your situation.

	If replacement is on your mind, you are probably looking to turn the 
tank over a several times per hour maybe you'd be better off with a trickle 
filter and an external pump that suites your need.


Frank




In article <3V0ePB1w164w@saviour.UUCP>, sf@saviour.UUCP (Sam howard     ) writes:
|> Hi.
|>  
|> I currently have a 75 gal. with a couple of Oscars and 1/2 dozen
|> Tin Foil barbs, and ...well...they're kinda messy eatters...  ;)
|> 
|> right now, I am running two Wisper 3 power filters, but those darn
|> fish are going to run me broke just changing the filter pads!!!
|> 
|> So, I am contemplating a canister filter -- the Fluval 303 (about
|> $60US mail order)...any comments about said filter?  is it too big?
|> is it too small
|> 
|> I was going to replace one of the Wisper 3's with the Fluval, should
|> I replace both, or none?
|> 
|> How about other types of canister filters?  Enheim, etc?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Sam.
|> 
|> p.s. - if no one minds putting up with replies on the net, that is
|> easier for me (I can read news at work, just can't post...) but if
|> you'd rather send private e-mail, I won't complain!  ;)
|> 
|> =============================The Saviour System ==============================
|> ==================1 (914) 452 5538 ------ Open 24 hours a day ================
|>                          sf@saviour.UUCP (Sam howard     )

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
"If you got to it and didn't do it, may you never get to it, and do it again"


Frank V. Ricciardi

fvr@bae.bellcore.com

From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:16:58 GMT
Subject: Re: more Fish People
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

In rec.aquaria, bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:

      This thread has me curious as to what other hobbies other fishy
    folks might have. Could be this might offer some insight as to
    what sort of people we are. Myself, my other hobby (and a serious
    one at that), is rock climbing. Live rock...NOT!

Well, let's see:

   1. Model trains.  While we have four large, costly aquariums, 1/2
      the basement is consumed by scale model trains.  It takes 12
      people to run the layout in the proper manner.  I have my own 
      "club" that comes over twice a month to do this.  We model the
      Burlington Northern between Denver and Cheyenne; scenery, towns,
      railroad traffic, trains, dispatching, everything.

   2. Muscle car restoration.  We have a 1967 Pontiac GTO that took 
      second place in the 1988 GTO Association of America national 
      convention. 

   3. Does keeping 5 cats in the house count as a hobby? It should.

   4. Gourmet cooking and dining (and drinking). 

   5. Sex (oops, wrong notes group :-). 

--------
George and Karla.

.

   


Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David Russell)
Subject: Re: [F] Red Lobster
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:14:08 GMT

 In article <1992Aug19.183254.29337@cbfsb.cb.att.com> goo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.m.macauda) writes:
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the net can give me some
>information on a creature I saw today at a local fish     
>store. They had it labelled as a fresh water Red Lobster.
>It was about 6 inches long with a mottled red shell.
>
> Would this beast be compatible with some small African
>cichlids? Where does it come from? What environmental
>and dietary requirements does it have? I want one but
>not at the expense of disrupting my current population
>or risking it's life and $9.99.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank Macauda
>
 Frank--
   I had one of these a couple of years ago. (It lived for 18 months
and then died suddenly). I had it in a 70gal with various Cichlids.
I also had a Blue one. My Jewels and L. Fuelleborni (African). were
more than able to defend there 'teritories' against these posible
intruders. They never killed any of my 'good' fish. The blue one
would climb my plants, sit and wait, and catch my feeder guppies.
They ate almost anything, from my plants to driftwood. I would feed
them pieces of fish and seafood, they loved trout and shrimp.
Paid $5.00 for the red lobster and $12.00 for the blue one. (They
were bought to apease my wife, she is generally not to excited
about my tank.) I wish I knew more about them and will not get
another one, for any reason, until I do know more.
 
--
David M. Russell, Mechanical Eng. Dept.
Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY 13676
(315) 268-9806 
russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
From: frazier@maxwell (Greg Frazier)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Coral safe for Freshwater tanks?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:26:55 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos) writes:
: In article <Bt798B.J85@space.physics.uiowa.edu> dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU writes:
: 
: I wanna thank you guys for all the name calling.  It is nice to know
: someone can ask a question, get answers and insults all at once.

Your welcome.
 
: I didnt harvest any LIVE coral.  I picked up 4 dead coral rocks from a
: rock beach down at Key West.  We are talking rocks, white and abundant,
: like what all the Keys are made of.  Very very dead and useless.  

I was aware of that.  Dead coral is only useless to you -
sea animals are rather fond of the stuff.  Just about everything
below high-tide mark is protected, at least here in CA, and
for good reason.
 
: While there are some protected areas (John Pennecamp State Park), I 
: find it VERY hard to believe it is a crime to "TOUCH" coral every-
: where in the US.  You are not supposed to touch anything when diving 
: but there are no indications that touching coral was illegal.

I'm not sure of the legal status myself, buy I am fairly
confident that the second poster was correct, that what
you did is illegal.
 
: I stand politically corrected.

How about environmentally corrected?

--


Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Subject: Re: [F][W] Heater,themometer, and lighting questions.
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:07:11 GMT

In <1992Aug17.180538.29721@rtsg.mot.com> ferrer@rtsg.mot.com (Arnold S. Ferrer) writes:

>I know this kind of question has been asked before, but...
>1) How many watts does a heater have to be for a 30 gallon tank?
>   In the FAQ, it states 2.5 watts per gallon. So for a 30 that
>   would be 75 watts. But in a book that I have it says 10 watts
>   per 1.25 gallons, making it 240 watts for a 30 gallon. Well,
>   which on is it 75 or ~240?

It really depends on the temperature difference. If you keep your
tank at 85F and your room temperature averages 65F in the
winter, you might need a 250W heater (just a guess).

There are tables in the back of The Optimum Aquarium that will
give you this data.

I use a 75W in a 20g but that's overkill, especially in this climate.
On the other hand, I can keep my 100g OK with a single 100W heater,
even though I use two for safety.

>2) Which brand heater is good? Visi-Therm, Hagen, Otto, Supreme?
>   Are these okay to get? Which one do you suggest and why?

I have 4 VisiTherm and 7 EboJaeger heaters. I've taken apart
a VisiTherm to see how it was constructed and assumed they get
their accuracy from close quality control of the bimetallic
strip. There is no special electronics involved.

I think I like the EboJaeger better because it doesn't get
as hot. The Visitherm gets too hot to touch when it's on, so the
fish probably learn to avoid that area, but the EboJaeger
seems a bit gentler.

The fish store guys say they are both good - low returns
from defects.

I haven't tried any others.

>3) Which type and brand of thermometer is the best to get for
>   the aquarium?

I don't use any in most of my tanks, but that may be a bad idea.
I have the Radio Shack temperature displayer in my 100g.
When I need to check things I use a lab-grade immersion
thermometer. The Radio Shack model agrees with it,
but the stick-on LCD types vary quite a bit.

Actually, the hand makes a pretty good thermometer.

>4) I'd like to put 2 24" 20 watt flourescent tubes on top of my
>   freshwater tank. Lets say I just have the lights, what else do
>   I need to put the whole thing together? The hood that came with
>   the 30 gallon tank only had room for 1 tube. It was one of those
>   full hoods from Perfecto.

You need a connector, some wires and switches, and a power supply.
The power supplies are called ballasts and there are a few varieties,
rapid-start doesn't need a starter, the others need those little
starter modules.

You can get shoplight assemblies from any hardware store that will
hold two 24" tubes at a reasonable price. Then you'll need to hang
this over your tank somehow.

If you want to get fancy tou can use waterproof endcap connectors
and efficient, quiet electronic ballasts.

Some cheap ballasts are very noisy.

> Thanks,
>  Arnold S. Ferrer
>  ferrer@rtsg.mot.com
-- 
Jim Hurley --> jimh@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!jimh  (408) 922-0100
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: anbo@wuee1.wustl.edu (Albrecht Jander)
Subject: Re: Fish people
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:53:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.163853.26369@wam.umd.edu> faith@wam.umd.edu (Jerome V. Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.165433.33008@watson.ibm.com> cliff@watson.ibm.com (C.Pickover;083801) writes:
>>Has anyone found a correlation with those people interested in 
>>fish tanks and other personal attributes?  Are there more men interested
>>in having an aquarium then women?  Is there a correlation with
>>occupation or age?  Is the reason most people give for wanting
>>an aquarium because they are interested in the mystery of the sea,
>>mother of all life on earth?  Or are they more interested in
>>aesthetics and the beauty of the fish?
>
>I think fish people have very distinctive qualities about them. they are 
>
>Curious - They want to watch and observe the behavior of their fishes
>
>Creative - We act as the fishes interior decorator, trying to suit their needs
>           as well as making it look pleasing to our eyes.
>
>Intelligent - We're smart enough to know how to sustain life or try to make
>              conditions suitable for the fishes needs.
>
>Peaceful - we are at peace with ourselves and the universe.  
>           we have an appreciation
>           for life and things that live in it (was that too deep?)
>
>Possessive - Don't touch my f_____g tank,  if you do i'll kill you.
>             That means feeding pointing and plucking 
>
>Lover of beauty - I bet my tank looks better than all of yours .... smile
>
>How many of you have wished you where small enough to fit in your tank and 
>swim around with the other fish? (ok, call me weird)

That one hadn't occured to me.  I always wish I had a tank BIG enought for
me to swim around in.    :-)

>
>You also didn't ask about the correlation of people who have fish and use
>the computer frequently.  things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
>
>

Albrecht

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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: bkerr@col.hp.com (Brian Kerr)
Subject: Re: Rams and tankmates?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:21:50 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I have had a single male Gold Ram in a 55 gallon tank with quite a few
various tetras, Zebra Danios an two small Angels for several weeks.  The
Angels and Ram were added last at about the same time.  They all get along
great together.  I am hoping to get a female Ram however and I don't
know how that or the maturing of the Ram and Angels will affect
relations.
-- 
Brian W. Kerr
Colorado Springs Division
TN 590-2075
bkerr@hp-col
From: graue@andy.bgsu.edu (Louis Graue)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Crickets for fish food?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.Bt8y55.rr
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.


There are lots of crickets in my yard now.  I wonder if it would be a good
idea to catch some and feed them to my angel  fish?
From: kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com (Kevin N. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Wet Dry + UG reverse flow debate
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:43:17 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

murf@spike.comet.ucar.edu (John Murphy) writes:
: For the last 2 weeks I have been going from store to store seeking advice
: for a reef tank that I would like to set up.  I am planning on buying a
: 75G setup, w/ wet dry filtration.   One of the stores I have been to
: "highly reccommends" taking the return from the wet/dry and running   
: it reverseflow up through an undergravel filter.  Another store that
: I mentioned this idea to said that it was the worst thing you could
: do.  He said that anerobic bacteria would build up and gradually deplete
: the oxygen supply in the water.  He also gave several other chemical   
: reasons for this being a bad idea (he talked like a biologist) that I 
: didn't understand.  The advocate of the setup said how is bacteria going to  
: form when the water is moving up not down and it has already been through the
: wet dry filtration.   Both these guys have 15+ years experience with
: marine setup, but I have know idea which is correct.   Does anybody
: out there have any experience with this????? which is best?  wet/dry
: nothing on the bootom?  wet dry + u/g and coral? wet/dry only and sand?
: what do I do?????????????????????????
: 
: 
My vote is to forget the UGF if you have a wet/dry.  Don't forget a 
protein skimmer though...

--
Kevin Carpenter       Internet:  kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com
Monsanto Company 
St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A.
Opinions expressed are those of the author, not the company he works for.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: porting@oracle.com (Applications Porting Kit Management)
Subject:  100 Gallon Marine Aquarium Setup for sale
Keywords:  100 Gallon Marine Aquarium Setup for sale
Reply-To: porting@oracle.UUCP (Applications Porting Kit Management)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:12:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.



                    Large 100 Gallon Marine Aquarium Setup
                  ------------------------------------------

100 Gallon Plexiglass Tank
Wood stand / cabinet (painted gloss black)
Nektonics Undergravel Filter
2 hood fixtures, each outfitted for 3 20W fluorescent bulbs (6 total).
2 Hagen 800 Powerheads
100 lbs. of crushed coral
Sacem Canister filter
Sander protein skimmer (100 Gallon size)
Whisper 800 Air Pump
Several Large Coral Pieces / decorations (must see)
Assorted small to larger rock formations for fish to hide in.
Several Plastic Plants

Plus assorted extras

Asking $400 for entire setup.  All are items in pretty good shape.
This setup is a little hard to ship, so I'd prefer to sell it within
the Bay Area.  This tank has been used for marine fish, and would be
ideal for someone looking to expand their collection.

Please call (415) 506-3282 if interested.
OR send Email to dwu@oracle.com

- David Wu


Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson)
Subject: aquarium gravel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:38:25 GMT

I really like the natural look in gravel. To get it I made two sifters
from 1x2 boards, on one I used 1/4" welded wire mesh, on the other I 
used screen, and enlarged the holes with an icepick, 

to use these, I just put the coarse screen over the fine screen
and dump in gravel from a creek bed, shake it around in the water,
and then save what goes thru the coarse screen and stays in the fine 
screen, I got mine from the Mississippi river. 

I rinse it with hot water before use.

Looks good, nice and rounded so catfish and loaches can root around
in it without damaging noses.

John H. Owens, posting from my daughter,s account
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fish people
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:52:20 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Labratory, Washington, DC

In article <1992Aug12.160557.12188@javelin.sim.es.com> krogers@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>As a reef keeper, I have a different definition for those who keep
>marines: people with too much spare money and time plus no sense.  Oh,
>and we read too much as well.  In short, we need a life!
>Of course the above applies to "Dupla" tank types as well, eh?  (you
>know who you are)

	Well, I was torn between a reef and a Dupla tank.  The reef won
because I think it is prettier.  They both require a great deal of
learning, which is why I enjoy it so much, it's the joy of learning
something completely new, I never had a salt tank before my reef.

>I won't even mention discus keepers.

	What do you mean?  Discus are easy.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: harold@wam.umd.edu (James B. Harold)
Subject: Re: Algae bloom from trace elements
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.025233.14518@Veritas.COM> oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>jrk@division.cs.columbia.edu (John R. Kender) writes:
>>Anyone else ever get a really wretched bloom of hair algae (the
>>absolute worst kind, impossible to remove even mechanically, that even
>>snails won't touch) after adding trace elements?  
>
>Sometimes that happens.  I don't mind hair algae -- I feed it to my 
>Ameca splendens.  What microelements did you use?  I ought to try them.
>May be more algae will stop these fish from eating the crypts as fast as 
>the poor things are managing to grow...
>

In my experience the hair algae level is tied very tightly to
Fe levels.  That's how I choose my dosages:  I keep increasing
the Fe until the hair algae starts, then back off by 50% or
so.  This is the only way I've found to keep the stuff under
control (particularly this strange, tangled variety that 
lives around the bases of certain plants...I think George Booth
mentioned that he had this as well).  Anyway...cut down the Fe
and it stops growing.  I've never noticed any correlation with
"trace" elements (I use Wymex), but maybe I'll experiment...  

James Harold
harold@wam.umd.edu
(email responses...I'm going out of town for a week)

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: Fluval 403 Cannister Filter
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:20:28 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: A

Having bought a Fluval 403, I note their diagram shows ceramic noodles
on the bottom, carbon or Chemi-Pure in the middle, and a sponge at top.
After reading some aquarium books, they say always have the carbon AFTER
the sponge so the heavy duty mechanical filtration is performed BEFORE
the water hits the carbon.  Why the apparant discrepancy between what
the books say and what Fluval suggests?  Any tips?  Thanks, Cliff 

Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:6696 alt.aquaria:4681
From: raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [F] Angelfish Question
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:20:55 GMT
Organization: Commodore

In article <katie.714459409@sfu.ca> katie@fraser.sfu.ca (Katie Yu) writes:
>I currently have an angelfish that is about one and a half inch long. It is
>in a 33 gal with some neon tetras and albino cory cats. I want to get a few
>more angelfish, but the one's that the pet shop has are only about half an 
>inch long. I want to know if the bigger angelfish will start bothering the
>smaller ones if they are placed on the same tank?
>
>thanks in advance

Probably not. In my experience angels only get pissy when spawning, and even
then are usually interested in making sure the other fish keep their distance.
BTW 3 of my 5 tanks have angels in them. BTW you probably only want to keep
about 4 angels in a 33 gallon tank. Also the neons might be in danger if the
angels get very big. I understand that angels prey on neons in their native
amazonian habitat. Good luck!
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Subject: SUMMARY: Kribensis info
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:39:31 GMT

A little while back I asked for info on kribensis. Here's
the promised summary of the email I received. Thanks to all
who sent me messages, I will probably get some in the near future
when my new tanks gets stabilized.

As usual there is some conflicting advice here, we all need to
find some things out for ourselves, and water conditions, etc.
vary quite a bit and may have important consequences in fish behavior.

Acquisition
   Get 6 - 10 young, this should be sufficient to form a breeding pair.
   Better, find a dealer that has a breeding pair. Somewhat difficult
   to sex, usually size differences is the key. Others say they're
   easy to sex, the females are larger and have pink bellies.
   In the store they may look dull, but they brighten up with
   good care.

Tank locale
   They like to stay on the bottom and like to hide in rock caves.

Tankmates
   A small schooling fish, like cardinal tetras, make good dither fish.
   The kribs are shy and having some 'braver' fish will make them 
   more visible. Lots of hiding places also help.

Tank features
   Natural rock caves, broken clay pots, driftwood roots, etc. 
   They like plants, but don't burrow or harm them. 
   Some people say a 15g is OK, others say it's a bit small,
   but a 20g-30g tank is probably OK for a pair. If the tank is too small
   the female may kill the male or other tankmates.

Size
   Can get 3-4" long.

Breeding:
   Feed lots of live food, earthworms, clean water.
   The pH seems critical in determining the sex ratio of the fry.
   The Loiselle dwarf cichlid book goes into this.
   They mate for life and look after the brood. Very aggressive
   and territorial at breeding time, but rather docile at other
   times.
-- 
Jim Hurley --> jimh@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!jimh  (408) 922-0100
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:6602 alt.aquaria:4645
From: jeh@redwood25.cray.com (Jeffrey E. Henning)
Subject: Re: Angle Fish breeding temperature
Originator: jeh@redwood25
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: rec.aquaria alt.aquaria
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:43:02 CDT


In article <1992Aug11.230214.25699@tfs.com>, luke@tfs.com (Luke Matam) writes:
> I recently became the owner of two large angle fish. I keep these in a 40 gallon
> tank together with a pair of corys. I have observed the fish kissing - lip-locked
> and wrestling and went to the library and looked up for some info about
> breeding. The temperature for breeding is listed at 86 F. This seemed very
> high to me and I would like to know if any of you have bred Angle fishes and
> what temperatures did you successfully use ?
> 
> -- Luke
> -- 
> Luke S Matam
> luke@tfs.com
> (510) 704-3262


I have had the best luck with temperatures between 82-87 F.  Getting
them to spawn is the easy part.  Convincing the parents not to eat
the eggs or the young fry is another story...


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Cray Research, Inc.
On-line Diagnostics and Utilities
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