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From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: SW Engineers needed, Maxor-San Jose, CA
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:12:31 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <Bsu8nH.4Kv@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.192148.20648@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>>In article <BssIyM.My5@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>>> In article <63782@cup.portal.com> greatscott@cup.portal.com (Scott Alan Miller) writes:
>>> >
>>> >You must show proof of ability to work in the United States. 
>>> 
>>> What sort of proof did you have in mind?  Will I be paid if I work to 
>>> provide this proof?
>>
>>     You need to show an American birth certificate, American passport, or
>>other proof of American citizenship, or proper work permits (green card) if
>>you are not an American citizen.  This is for the Immigration and
>>Naturalization Service, which will levy fines against employers employing
>>illegal immigrants.  Without such proof, I doubt you'd even be allowed to
>>begin work.
>>

In my case, I have no American Passport, no American birth certificate, or
any other form of American I.D.  I do however have an American Social Security
card but no Green Card.  (Interesting story behind that :)

I would think that this is enough to allow me to work down there even
though I don't have permanent residency status (although I am considered
a citizen) (I am Native and have dual citizenship)

Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca

>
>
>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ijk@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (ihor.j.kinal)
Subject: Re: Working for free
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:30:38 GMT
Summary: Working for FREE
	 TANSTAAFL

In article <gheim.920817120714@lab14.eng.auburn.edu>, gheim@eng.auburn.edu (Greg Heim) writes:
>  And
> besides, it's not like they can _lose_ money on you.
> 
> Greg
>  
> 
I respectfully disagree.  Working in a new environment, it will take
even the most skilled of workers some time to RAMP UP and become fully
integrated in the work place.  [And, people fresh from college ...]
Until that happens, the newbie will
typically be a NEGATIVE worth, because they need tutoring in
the basics that everyone else has learned.

Please, no flames - I try to be typically helpful with everyone,
because I all too well remember my first months on the job.  But,
with unpayed employees??  The question is, how long will they stay?
Is the time invested in them worth it?  I think the typical
employer might be amused by such an offer, but would probably
realize that you usually get what you pay for.

If you do make such an offer, then structure it in a way where
you're telling the employer that you're confident that that
your value will be realized.  Say something like: "I'll work
a month or two free, but if I exceed your expectations,
I EXPECT a salary that is commensurate with my performance, or
we'll amiably part."

Just my opinion,
Ihor Kinal
att!trumpet!ijk
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rao@acs.ucalgary.ca (Harish Rao)
Subject: test
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:43:56 GMT
Distribution: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Test !! pl. ignore
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kumar@ra.csc.ti.com (Sundeep Kumar)
Subject: What Exactly is ENTRY LEVEL ?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:06:15 GMT

What is the criteria by which Headhunters/Employers Judge wether
a resume is "ENTRY LEVEL" or not ? Is the following a hard and fast rule :

	been in school for the past two years ---> Entry Level  ???

If this is true I know more entry level persons that have very comfortable
jobs than "experienced ones" ! Most people doing jobs are enrolled
in some school in some program. ( At least Computer Science BS's).
Also is the following Combo. Entry level :

	4 Years BS + 3 Years Job( After BS) + MS (2 Years) + Co-OPs in MS ??
					     {Half-Time}
					     {NSF asstship}
--Sundeep
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zgao@cco.caltech.edu (Zheng-Qiang Gao)
Subject: Headhunter in Materials Science Wanted
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:29:35 GMT


I would like to get some information about headhunters specialized
in materials science and engineering at any area in US. 

E-mail prefered.

Thanks in advance.
From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How Important is Internship?
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:09:15 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Dear netters,

	I have some questions regarding the importance of
internship. Any comments will be very much appreciated.

1) How important an intern experience is?

2) Does the duration of the intern carry any significance?
   I was doing my intern at one of the NASA funded research
   centers in my school for 4 months; I am now still working
   at this center, but my position no longer carries the title
   "intern". Does potential employer place a lot of emphasis
   on intern experience?

3) Am I to be considered "entry level" when I apply for a full
   time job?

  
	One side note : I saw this in one of the job posting
   in misc.jobs.offered. "State the reason why u want to leave
   your current employer", "Tell us what about your plans 1yr,
   2yrs, 3yrs from now", "Tell us why should we employ u".

	Thank u in advance.


beng@cae.wisc.edu
From: joannab@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Joanna Bryson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Need Advice/CS major w/ bad grades
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:31:50 GMT
	<3112@isgtec.isgtec.com>
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <3112@isgtec.isgtec.com> mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:

   Anthony Garcia writes:
   > 	I just completed my computer science degree at Rutgers but my
   > gpa is only about 2.65. I will finish a degree in English in December
   > and my gpa there is much better. Can anyone offer some constructive
   > advice as I look for a full time job in the coming months? Is there
   > a grad school in the country that will take a mediocre student?

   I suggest you don't think about grad school, or at least not until
   you have some work experience under your belt.  That is, unles you
   have some unbelievably redeeming qualities that don't show up on a
   normal transcript.  Besides, if you didn't do that well in college,
   why do you really want to go to grad school?  Unless you have a burning
   desire to subject yourself to the distillation of the stress of college,
   get a good job instead.

I've known quite a few people who got significantly better grades in 
graduate school than in college - they really are two different things.

However, I do recommend working in between for your personal experience, 
besides giving you a better chance to get in.

I've had some great jobs and I never had an employer who cared what my 
GPA was (but then if they did they wouldn't have hired me.)

There are some schools that pay more attention to your overall record than
just any one aspect of it... I know this is true of U of Chicago, I've
heard it said about CMU as well.  (I don't think Edinburgh qualifies as
"in the country", but I had a 2.68)  Everyone always _says_ that it's the
references that really matter anyway.

Joanna (who should be studying RIGHT NOW)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly)
Subject: Headhunters in Minn/St. Paul Area?
Summary: Headhunter in Mnn/St. Paul...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:47:58 GMT

I'm looking for contacts in the MSP area with specializations in IS,
tech services, etc..
Thanks...
Patrick
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Working for free
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:53:50 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

rsemenof@ee.ubc.ca (SEMENOFF ROBERT) writes:

>Does anyone have any comments on this ?

>Of course it would be hard on me because I'd have to
>work part time at a paying job to sustain myself.
>Also, what would a potential employer's response be?
>(This guy must be a real loser if he'll work for free) ?

As one of those potential employers, I can only say right on.

The most difficult part in hiring trainees is funding their learning curve.
People will pay all kinds of money to go to school to learn very little of
practical use and get paid nothing for the privilege of learning but give them
a job where they would learn something and they expect the moon and the stars
right away.

It always seemed a bit backwards to me. And the idea of getting paid
'something' to learn so that a better job can be had later seems to be totally
out of style. It has always been the apprentice system of old where you would
start by sweeping the floors and work from there as far as you could go with
your own initiative.

I would say go for it but ask for something so that at least you could devote
full time to the job. If you're good, you soon be too good not to be paid a
regular salary. I'll guarantee it.

Fred


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From: steve@endgame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Steve Rezsutek)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:20:18 GMT
	<BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com> <1992Aug13.053554@eklektix.com>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug13.053554@eklektix.com> rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes:

   [description of positive effects of an emergency "time-out"]

   Isn't there a good chance that more vacation time would have the same
   effect, somewhat less drastically but more generally?  Make people feel
   better about themselves, give them more time for their own lives, and when
   they come to work they'll be able to focus on work better?  I can't prove
   it with figures, but it's at least plausible and it seems to be how the
   Europeans think.

I'd have to stand in agreement with this, not based any sort of fact,
mind you, just on personal feelings. There comes a time when "enough is
enough" and I just have to "get out of here". Life is much easier when
you feel like you have one, rather than just being a human ``resource''.
Taken to an extreme [not indicative of my current situation], I can
easily see myself in a situation where it would be too easy to say "I'm
outta here, and I don't really care if I'm expected to come back."  Even
so called "exciting jobs" get pretty boring when that's all you do.

I have a feeling, too, that there would also be an increase in perceived
employee loyalyty as well. I don't know if companies have been whining
about this lately, what with the economy and all, but I suspect that
people would tend to stay where they are happy, and the easiest way to
let them be happy is to make them feel that they have enough of their
life to do the things _they_ want to do.

Just babblin'...

Steve

---
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From: agarcia@remus.rutgers.edu (Anthony Garcia)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Need Advice/CS major w/ bad grades
Keywords: grades,jobs,grad school
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:59:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi all,
	I just completed my computer science degree at Rutgers but my
gpa is only about 2.65. I will finish a degree in English in December
and my gpa there is much better. Can anyone offer some constructive
advice as I look for a full time job in the coming months? Is there
a grad school in the country that will take a mediocre student?

	I am thinking of taking a class in Novell certification. Will
that help my chances for a job? Once I get a job, will there be a time when the
grades won't matter any more? Is there any post bacclaureate training
that I could take to look more attractive to companies?

	I am thinking of becoming a technical writter. Are there any
of you out there who have some insight on this? Is anyone out there in
the field with mediocre grades working and making a good living?

	Please dispel my fears.. Depression is starting to set in :(
						Thanks
						Anthony

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From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:00:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

cho@duke.cs.duke.edu (Teddy Cho) writes:

>In article <ba7mf7a.pdh@netcom.com> pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:
>>>Some requirements are for the entire site, regardless of your specific job.
>>>I've had a beard for the past ten+ years, with few exceptions, but when
>>>I worked at a Dupont plant near New Orleans, I shaved it off.  The reason
>>>being that if I had to wear a gas mask, then the company would prefer (as I
>>>would) that I had a good air tight seal between my face and the mask.
>>
>>That's why *I* would just not work there.
>
>What's the big deal of shaving off a beard anyway?
>Most of the time, it just itches and looks unkempt....

You obviously didn't do the beard right if you tried it at all.  I started
mine in college and have ahd it since.  It itched for about 3 weeks and
I usually keep it nice (there are times I just don't want to).

>And there are many more important things to devote one's energies to.

No more energy needs to be devoted than to just shave each day.
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From: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What is a good GPA?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:17:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: jade.1992Aug19.191717.10495
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Aug17.194632.5233@ccad.uiowa.edu> vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli) writes:
>hi there,
>What GPA is considered to be good by the companies? Is it above 3.0 or above
>3.5 or above 3.7 or between 3.9 and 4.0 (on a 4.0 scale)? How important is 
>GPA in getting a job? Will companies give high priority to GPA? How important
>is the school? Is it true that the name of school will carry a lot of weight?
>Any suggestions/comments welcome.
>Thanks in advance.

The computer companies (that I have seen) place very little emphasis
on GPA. But, IMHO it helps if it is above 3.0. Anything above 3.0
almost always never matters. If you have a very high GPA (>3.9/4) but
the courses which you took were all theoretical, you can be damn
sure that a guy having a much lower GPA (<3.6/4) who took intensive
programming languages courses (C,C++,Lisp,Prolog,Unix,Software Eng.etc)
will beat you in every job interview. Remember, the company is
interested in how well you can program (99.9999% of them) and not in how
well you write a good paper on NP-Completeness. The bottom line is can
you program, and if so how fast? The program quality is also a 
big issue. For your last question, my answer is "no" again unless the 
university is MIT. But then again this is my personal opinion.

-Sandip
 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rebel@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Piou)
Subject: putting irrelevant experiences on resumes
Summary: s u m m a r y
Keywords: k e y w o r d s
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:34:59 GMT

	A few weeks ago, a human resources/hiring type said something
along the lines of "Never be unemployed. If you can't get anything 
better, work in the pizza parlor at the mall for two weeks instead of
not having a job for two weeks. Show that you keep yourself busy."
	I'm not sure if the poster meant put dead-end jobs on your
resume or take them so you can explain breaks in your job history once
you get to an interview.
	I've worked in pizza places, served food, etc. Should I put
this stuff down on my resume, to explain what would otherwise look like
times when I didn't have a job? Or will potential employers read it and
think "Why's he wasting my time with this?"
	Should I put something like clerical/office work down as the
first job I ever had, or skip that and just put down my first
computer-related job?
	If I put non-computing jobs on my resume, it'll spill over into
2 pages. If I don't, I can keep it to 1 page. Should this make any difference?
	Any help would be appreciated. And if you could gear it towards an
almost-entry-level person/resume, that would be great.

			ep
--
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered. My life is my own - you won't hold me." (The Prisoner)
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jhull@vulcan.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (   Joseph F. Hull)
Subject: Re: How to motivate peers in a quality circle?
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:37:54 GMT

One thing that motivates many people is seeing that their contribution does in fact make a
(positive) difference.  

If your management is serious about the company receiving benefit from these quality circles,
they will be receptive to the suggestions and plans for improvement generated by the quality 
circle.  Actually getting to implement one of their own ideas, or seeing "one of their own" 
get to implement his/hers, is often enough to generate significant additional interest and 
activity, which can then snowball.

Of course, if your management isn't serious...

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From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:26:07 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

> What's the big deal of shaving off a beard anyway?
> Most of the time, it just itches and looks unkempt....
> 
> And there are many more important things to devote one's energies to.
Not according to some of these wimps...it's the *PRINCIPAL* of
the thing, you know :-)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: u8971@cray.com (Ronald Maier)
Subject: Re: Help getting a friend a job overseas please.
Keywords: Australia!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:57:51 CDT

Hi,
I too would like to find a decent place that doesn't just take your money
If there are jobs listings or agencies that have work overseas I would be 
interested!

Thanks, later.....


Ron Maier  ( ron.maier@debug.cuc.ab.ca )
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:29:06 GMT

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>  The Japanese average 2100 working hours a year versus 2050 in the US
>  (source: OECD) 

Careful with those statistics! Are thsoe averages based on everyone,
including children, housewives, etc, or are they based on actual
employees? If it's the latter, countries where a large %age of the
population in the workforce, but with a relatively large part of them
working part-time will appear to be "lazier" than countries with a
smaller %age in the workforce and with almost every worker working full-
time.

Sweden is in the former category, and I believe Japan is in the
latter.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Achievement based resumes 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:22:44 +0000

In article <63@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP writes:

>  ..., people need to clear up their use of the term
> "references".  References are not the same as "experience".  References
> are friends, and indeed, past employers who can vouch for you personally.

Maybe there is some confusion raised by the great lake (Atlantic) that sits
between us. A reference in Britain is a legal document albeit one that must
say good things about one! If I agree to act as a referee for someone
(which I have recently for an ex-colleague) then I must write a good one;
my only sanction is to refuse to act in this role. Normally, an existing
employer will act as a reference unless the employee's work was
unsatisfactory or there was some other grounds for dismissal. It is very
rare NOT to be given a refernece by your existing/previous employer.

Other countries (I think Ireland is one) also have a concept of
testimonials. This practice is very little used over here; the legal nature
of a reference makes it unnecessary to have testimonials. They have a
conotation of "charlatan"---all those testimonials given to purveyors of
home-remedies that always appear in the Western.

There is also one other essential difference between a testimonial and a
reference. The former is usually in the possession of the applicant the
latter is private correspondence between the prospective employER and the
referee. I have no right to see what has been written about me unless it is
derogatory and then I can sue.

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134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk
phone: +44 (0)923 776436
From: cho@duke.cs.duke.edu (Teddy Cho)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:54:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <ba7mf7a.pdh@netcom.com> pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:
>>Some requirements are for the entire site, regardless of your specific job.
>>I've had a beard for the past ten+ years, with few exceptions, but when
>>I worked at a Dupont plant near New Orleans, I shaved it off.  The reason
>>being that if I had to wear a gas mask, then the company would prefer (as I
>>would) that I had a good air tight seal between my face and the mask.
>
>That's why *I* would just not work there.

What's the big deal of shaving off a beard anyway?
Most of the time, it just itches and looks unkempt....

And there are many more important things to devote one's energies to.