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From: kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:32:49 GMT

In article <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>worse than other states' schools.
>If that is true, why?

If that is true I suspect that a primary factor is the high number
of immigrants and the continued high birthrate of those immigrants.

A dual income couple that owns home with one or two children pays
several thousand dollars per year in state taxes. U.S. born
residents are more likely to fall into this category.

Families that rent apartments or double up in housing or have a
large number of children pay far less in state income and property
taxes, and if they receive food stamps or welfare, they receive
more then they contribute. Immigrants disproportionately fall into
this category.

Assuming an annual cost of $4000 to educate a student for a year,
it costs taxpayers $288,000 to provide K-12 education for a single
family with six children. In spite of this impact, the state
provides tax deductions based on the number of children. Clearly
small families are subsidizing large families, and large families 
-- due to immigration -- are more prevalent in California.

It would be interesting if anyone has the time/resources to provide
statistics something like the following:

                                   U.S Born       Immigrant
                                   --------       ---------
Percent homeowners                      %               %
Percent receive foodstamps              %               %
Average state income tax bill      $              $
Average # of children

Average state tax bill for a family with two children versus a
family with six children.

Governor Wilson has touched on this problem but backed off due to
political pressures.
-- 
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        Kim Berry              kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:17:10 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Bodie?  Or is that too real?  Maybe Calico. ;^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:32:26 GMT


I haven't come across too many working theme towns but there
are many fairs that express a historical theme.

Roaring Camp harvest Fair Oct 17-18 and 24-25
Demonstrations of traditional 1880s skills and crafts.
Chuckwagon bar-b-que accompanied by genuine mountain music.

Mountain man Rendezvous Nov 27-29
Trappers and mountain men, traders and squaws of the 1830s and 40s
will participate in a living history encampment.
(408)335-4400

You can find many other exhibits and fairs in the rear pages
of Sunset magazine or The Californians. The last magazine
can be found in large bookstores like Stacy's or bookstores
specializing in history.
The Californians (history magazine)
Grizzly Bear Publishing Co.
5720 Ross Branch Road
Sebastopol, CA
95472
(707)887-9834

Vivian

viviana@tamri.com     
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:26:51 GMT

California's challange over the next few years and decades is to effectively
harnass the economic power of a motivated immigrant population, particularly
the Latinos.  For decades the state and federal government has treated the
situation ambigiously- neither wholeheartly deterring immigration, nor
encouring full legal absorption of the immigrants.
One effect is to underplay the situation and inadequately count the people
who use public services.  The official census counts not match those who
atend schools or use health services.
Another effect is the creation of a underground economy which revenues do
not enter the state system and support state services.  There are lots of
people who work and buy on a cash basis.  There is a large amount of business
being transacted in swap meets, out of roving mercchant vans.
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest )
Subject: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization:  ... a Republic... if you can keep it.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:11:30 GMT

Back east there are a number of working communities that incorporate a
theme of some sort into the community... some are continental, others
like the Amish communities really live the way they appear.

In California I have only run across one such place ... Solvang which
incorporates a Dutch theme.  The town is sort of a tourist trap,
incorporating lots of little shops, and a number of restaurants and
wonderful bakeries.  The town is modeled after the Dutch Hans CHristain
Anderson theme with windmills and appropriate structures and
architecture.

Is anyone else out there aware of similar places here in California?
I am aware of the Rennisance Faire, but that is of course not a year
round thing.

Thanks!
Charles

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From: mludwig@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Michael Scott Ludwig)
Subject: Re: Why not ferry trains?
Newsgroups: ca.general
Reply-To: mludwig@ics.uci.edu (Michael Scott Ludwig)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:19:18 GMT
Distribution: ca

rob@vitsemi.com (Rob Eccles) writes:
=[about using auto trains for commutes within metropolitan areas
=like the L.A. area]
=Note that for short journeys, making frequent stops loading/unloading
=autos - with Amtrak-style efficiency - this is a very slow moving train!

It's not practical for this type of service no matter what the loading
efficiency is.  It can only be practical if the corridor it serves is long
(like the Virginia-Florida AMTRAK Auto Train) or the road between those
points is inconvenient or nonexistent (like the Alaska Railroad
Portage-Whittier service, which happens to be quite short).  Also, it pretty
much has to be only two stops.


Those people who use Carter as an excuse | Michael Ludwig
to be against Clinton are quite stupid - |
what else can you call someone who can't | mludwig@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
figure out that Clinton and Carter       |
are not the same person?                 | UCI and I don't agree on anything.
From: Debbie.rhodes@f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Debbie rhodes)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Looking for contacts in
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 06:08:00 -0800

TO: markus@mroh.GUN.de

MS>From: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel) >Newsgroups: ca.general
  >Reply-To: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel) >Message-ID:
  <921002.AA0532@mroh.GUN.de>

MS>I'm currently studying Political Sciences at Bonn University (Germany).
MS>I'm looking for folks from U.C.L.A. able to tell me a little more
MS>about academical life there, especially from the arts, philosophy and
MS>- well don't know what that part of UCLA is exactly called - movie
MS>production.

I live about 1 km from UCLA, though am not a student there.  We are in
the western part of Los Angeles, not too far from the beach.  The part
of UCLA you refer to is the "Liberal Arts".  It is an area in which the
University excels.  There are many public and professional presentations
on the campus as well.  I haven't seen any names from the University on
the network, but hope you find someone.  If not, please write to me and
I will see what I can do to help you.  (I only took one class at UCLA,
though I did graduate from the University of Southern California -USC-
in another part of L.A.)  ... I also studied German at the University of
Munich, though am not now very conversant.

MS>If you'd like to know more about Europe and get a slightly diff'rent
MS>perspective on developments write e-mail to:

What do you and your compatriots think of the upcoming US elections,
either for us or how they will impact you and your country?  How has the
unification of the Germanys impacted you directly and indirectly?

I can be reached at: debbie.rhodes@mcws.fidonet.org


MS>Marku

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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: driving from SF to LA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:15:19 GMT
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca

foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>Oh yes, the infamous Harris Ranch (producer of some of the best beef
>west of Wichita). If you've never seen a herd of 20,000 beef cattle,
>it's quite beautiful if maloderous.

There's a difference between a ranch and a feedlot.

w. (you can take the boy out of the farm, but...)
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Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.wanted,oc.general
Subject: 1986 Ford Mustang SVO for Sale!!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:19:12 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA


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Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general,alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:20:16 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <largeman-300992090827@min1mac9.berkeley.edu>
largeman@aol.com (Beefta LargeMan) writes:
>Calico Ghost town is a ,as they say in Mexico, "Un trapa de turistias"

Okay, Dizzyland, I mean Anaheim (have to include the Convention Center
and the Crystal Cathedral and ...).

Just you watch Casa de Fruita.  (So this is how Walt Disney and Walter Knott
got their start.... 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Theme Towns in CA
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Distribution: ca
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:07:04 PDT

In article <1992Sep30.011429.1936@genghis.borland.com>, phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen) writes:
> couldn't followup to the original, so here goes.
 
> Try Santa Cruz - it's got a beach boardwalk, used to be murder capital, 
> got a really cool downtown (well, soon it will).  Films made here:
> "Lost Boys" and "Killer Klowns".

Let's see San Dimas has a western theme to its downtown, Pomona
has a decaying American city theme (quite lifelike too) and let's
not forget my favorite: Santa Monica, The Home of the Homeless.


-dh
From: largeman@aol.com (Beefta LargeMan)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:08:13 GMT
Followup-To: ca.general,ba.general,alt.california
Distribution: ca
Organization: HeadGuy Software

In article <1992Sep30.011710.26001@nas.nasa.gov>,
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) wrote:
> 
> Bodie?  Or is that too real?  Maybe Calico. ;^)
> 
Calico Ghost town is a ,as they say in Mexico, "Un trapa de turistias"

If you are going out there (the desert) continue on to Death Valley
Junction.
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry)
Subject: Quote of the Day
Reply-To: kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Kim A. Berry)
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:48:39 GMT

Quote of the Day (Sacramento Bee 10-1-92 p. B2)

4 Vietnamese guys shoot two Mexican students at Hiram Johnson
H.S. -- I one as retaliation for a previous fight, and the other
just for the heck of it (they are still hospitalized).

Mayor-elect Joe Serna says of this:

"We've got to get out to the schools and let students know that
type of behavior is not to be allowed in Sacramento."

Sure. That should do it! They probably just weren't aware of
the school policy which prohibits gunning down students!

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
        Kim Berry              kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US

Newsgroups: ca.general
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:45:26
Distribution: ca

"kberry" == Kim A. Berry <kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> writes:

[lots of nationalistic drivel about how the immigrants are ruining CA
school system...]

kberry> of children. Clearly small families are subsidizing large
kberry> families, and large families -- due to immigration -- are more
kberry> prevalent in California.

How 'bout "due to catholics" and "due to lack of federally funded
birth control programs targeted towards low income families"?

kberry> Percent receive foodstamps %

fyi, a substantial percentage (US GOV doesn't keep track (of course),
but some local orgs claim as much as %15) of US military personel
stationed in california receive food stamps and AFDC.
--
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From: jaques@drbob.corp.sgi.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Auto Insurance - how to get it in CA and what to look for ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:59:38 GMT
Reply-To: jaques@drbob.corp.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc , Network Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: drbob.corp.sgi.com


--
My wife and I recently located to CA.  We just got turned down on auto
insurance. Now I have not had an accident in 22 years though I did
get a ticket for going through a stop sign 4 1/2 years ago in Mass
I didn't think that would stop me getting insurance. My wife has
2 accidents in 4 years and one ticket for speeding she never showed
up on the report the insurance agent showed us.

Obviously we have to have auto insurance. Both cars are financed and
it is required. We were turned down by fireman's fund.  I thought it
strange when they required at least a 75,000 home owners policy to
write auto insurance.  

Now I hear CA auto insurance is mess. You have to stay away from
some companies.  One of the national news programs had a segment
on auto insurance in CA and the fact CA has no regulations like
East Coast states.  You wind up paying hugh premiums and can never
collect on an accident.

Can someone make some suggestions:

1. how does one get insurance without being perfect in every way?

2. what does one watch out for in selecting an insurance co?

3. How do i get non factual information removed from records?
   Seems this wasn't a state to state information transfer 
   rather it was bought information from some private data bank.

thanks

___________________________________________________________________
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Manager Network Engineering    | fax  415-961-9584
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:37:15 GMT
Followup-To: ca.general
Distribution: ca
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.201130.23051@riacs.edu> chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest ) writes:
|Back east there are a number of working communities that incorporate a
|theme of some sort into the community... some are continental, others
|like the Amish communities really live the way they appear.
|
|In California I have only run across one such place ... Solvang which
|incorporates a Dutch theme.

Many towns have festivals or parades which tend to show a theme or lifestyle
in that town.  Pacifica has it's fogfest, Gilroy has the garlic festival.
The town I was born in, Ft. Bragg, has as it's primary industries logging
and fishing.  Every year there is a weekend called "Paul Bunyan Days", a
weeklong festival that includes logging events (log rolling, chopping, 
climbing) and a parade featuring "Paul Bunyan" and "Babe", his blue ox.  Ft.
Bragg also has a working fishing harbor and throughout the town the motif
can be seen in the form of decorations on the houses.  My aunt and uncle have
a statue of sea gulls and fisherman on their front lawn.  At my grandparents
there is a large rusted saw blade on the garage door.  The town has a large
Portuguese population and the fishing heritage is displayed as a result.

>The town is sort of a tourist trap,

As many are that attempt to display a common heritage.

-- 
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From: julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:31:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA USA
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.81

>And what's it name where Hitchcock filmed The Birds.

Bodega Bay

Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Dorothy Westphal)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:39:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.201130.23051@riacs.edu> chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest ) writes:
>Back east there are a number of working communities that incorporate a
>theme of some sort into the community... some are continental, others
>like the Amish communities really live the way they appear.
>
>In California I have only run across one such place ... Solvang which
>incorporates a Dutch theme.  The town is sort of a tourist trap,
>incorporating lots of little shops, and a number of restaurants and
>wonderful bakeries.  The town is modeled after the Dutch Hans CHristain
>Anderson theme with windmills and appropriate structures and
       ^
(SWEDISH spelling!)


I have read all the responses to date, and I am surprised that nobody
has mentioned that both Solvang and H.C. Andersen  began as Danish,
not Dutch.
Solvang was a very pretty town when I first saw it in the mid-fifties.
It began I believe as a small town/retirement community for
people of Danish origin or descent. Unfortunately, someone(s) had
other ideas for its future.


-- 
Dorothy Westphal, Sunnyvale, Calif. % Just when things are going your way...%
westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com   %               they get even better!   %
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:05:47 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct1.190238.23278@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>What about Irvine California?
>The theme is corporate blandness- all houses are Spanish beige with red brick
>roofs.  Everyone works for an S & L or real estate (at least those out of jail :-)

   Cute....just like you can get a traffic ticket for having
   excessive dirt on your Porsche in Huntington Beach.

   Then there's always the Long Beach area, that would be the
   Geritol city...

   Seriously, there is a small "theme-town" on the 110 (was 11)
   Freeway right near the East Torrance-Gardena area.  They have
   an Oktoberfest every year...but I can't remember the name.
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: To Take Musical Communion
From: armer@mdcbbs.com
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:48:36 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: armer

I am looking for some Christians of "like precious faith",
with musical ability, who are interested in doing some
serious "comparing of notes" (okay, jamming), without the
requirement that a "band" result from our efforts.

Call me for details, and so we can "put our heads
together" and arrive at a "meeting of the minds".

Or maybe you'd just like to pray for me to get delivered
from this "cliche' spirit", os I can type messages without
having to use quotes all the time!

Thanks,
God Bless,
steve
(714) 952-5729