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From: ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens)
Subject: Mechanical Release Problems
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research & Development Center
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:22:38 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Archery

I am currently using a Trophy Hunter Ball Bearing release with my
Browning Mirage bow.  I pull 68-69 pounds and shoot an overdraw.  The
problem is that the release has broken the string serving twice in the
last week.  Does anyone know of a soultion to this problem?  I heard
that this problem is not uncommon for bearing-type releases at higher
draw weights.  Is this true?  If so what is the best type of release
to use to eliminate this problem?  I should also mention that I do use
a nock between the release and the arrow.  It is also worth noting
that I have NEVER experienced this type of problem in three years with
my old bow (58lbs. draw weight).

All wisdom will be appreciated.

Randy A. Stevens
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Duck hunting and decoys
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:04:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Two dozen mallard decoys sounds just about right for the
situation you are hunting in. I bought 4 dozen mallard CarryLites
last year and only used all of them in a field shooting
situation.  When I had to pack them into a marsh, I ended up
using 2 dozen and even then they were too heavy. The more dekes
you have, the longer (and more boring) it takes to set out and
pick up.

I also bought 2 Sandhill Crane confidence decoys. However, they
were so big that I ended up not using them at all.
From: kpruett@st6000.sct.edu (Kenneth Pruett)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Re: Hunting Joke
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:19:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug19.071922.24118
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I personally think the joke was pretty offensive if some people I know
were reading it.  But, it did say "OFFENSIVE!!!  Do not read if you are
easily offended" by the writer of the joke and the moderator (hi Tim!).

If you are easily offended, you shouldn't have read further or pressed
the "D" key on your keyboard.

Just My Say,
Ken Pruett
From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Subject: Re: Tracking and Blood Trailing Sprays
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:05:32 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Aug14.091254.17522@doug.cae.wisc.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.083947.17145@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>      shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd) writes:
>>Peroxide.  Well, two words actually... hydrogen peroxide.
> 
>This is the best idea I've ever heard.  And it's not damaging to the
>ecology!  

 Thanks.  Works pretty good.

>Thanks for sharing it with the group.

 Certainly.  My pleasure.  No hunter wants to see lost game.  Share the idea
 with your buddies.  Happy hunting.  

 Shawn
From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:18:10 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.100503.8355@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
>I am looking to buy my first handgun with a specific purpose in mind.  I
>do some solo backpacking and I'd feel more secure with the protection of
>a handgun.  Although just about any handgun will scare away threatening
>people [I've seen "Deliverance" too many times :-)  ], what kind of gun
>would be suitable in scaring away bears?  I wouldn't be hunting with it,
>I'd just like a handgun to scare things away.  Cost isn't that
>important, but size and weight are.  Any suggestions would be greatly
>appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
>					Regards,
>
>					Matt Harrington

I would recommend a .380 semi-auto.  They can be had for around $200 and
up. This caliber is quite loud for the size and can be carried very
easily in your pocket. Most will hold 7 or 8 rounds. You only asked for
a caliber that was loud. I would not depend on this for self defense.
I definitely would not shoot a bear with it. This will only make it 
very p*ssed off. :( 

Keith

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: ()
Subject: dove storage, was:Freezer burn
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:02:06 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:

	 I use plastic freezer bags filled with water also. But I run into a
	 problem with the wing bones poking holes in the bag.  

You must put a lot more dove in a bag than I do!  I use the heavy-duty
bags, and have never had a problem...

	 A friend suggested using paper milk cartons.

Sounds like a good idea -- I might try it!

	 I just had a thought while doing this followup, that by using dikes
	 to remove the wings they wont be pointed to where they puncture
	 the bags anymore.  Any other suggestions?

Well, I'm a wimp anyway, so I use bone shears to cut them off.

-Joe.
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:44:56 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I read an article in Guns and Ammo magazine a few years ago.  They said 
that a 357 magnum would work on smaller bears, but on larger ones the
recommeded a 41 magnum.  The 44 magnum would also work well.  Personally,
I would prefer the 44 magnum.  If you are a very good shot, a Thompson
Contender with a 10 or 14 inch 30/30 barrel would probably work, but
you only have 1 shot then.

What about using a 12ga shotgun with a pistol grip and some slugs?
Would a 12ga slug be enough to kill a bear?  I have no experience
hunting bears, but would be interested in finding out if slugs would
work.  A 2 3/4 in slug weighs 1 ounce (471 gr.) and travels about 1200fps.
a 3 in magnum slug weighs the same, but travels at 1600fps.  What about
using Sabot slugs?  I've never tried them.  Any advice?
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: They KNOW we're hunting them (was Re: Neutralizing Scents)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:41:46 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.080521.24280@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd) writes:
>How the hell those things ever get hit by a car I'll never know.  You
>can climb in a tree, sit over a hundred pounds of corn, and turn blue
>holding your breath trying to be quiet to get one within range, and
>never see a durn thing.  But get in a rattly ole, stinky, smoke
>belching pickup, turn on the high beams and tool down the highway with
>a hole in your muffler and missing on three cylinders, and they'll
>jump out in front of you to commit hara-kiri on your bumper.  Go
>figure.  Maybe we should just strap on cardboard sillouhuettes of
>pickups and go run through the woods yelling vrroooom! vrroooom! honk!
>honk!  You'd probably limit out on opening day.  They'd hafta outlaw
>it.

I don't know how many of you saw this, but Sportsman's Guide had
something they called "tractor camo" on sale last year; they pitched
it by pointing out how deer don't seem to be afraid of tractors, so
you should dress up like a tractor to hunt.  They were selling
t-shirts with a picture of a tractor on it (this was a gag, folks, in
case there are any of the sense of humor-differently-abled out
there).

A few years ago, I was perched in a tree on the edge of a farmer's
field on the opening afternoon of bow season in Pennsylvania.  About
dusk, the deer started coming out.  I took a shot at a doe about 40
yds. out, but she jumped the string, and they all took off.  45
minutes later, when I got down out of the tree and started getting my
gear together, making too much of noise, about six deer stood calmly
in the field about 40 yards away watching me pack up.  I think they
thought I was just the farmer, tending to my final chores of the day.
Go figure.

They KNOW when we're huntin' them!

44 days, 14 hours until bow season!

Ken
From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Tree stands
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:48:13 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I was at L.L.Bean this past weekend and viewed a deer hunting video
they had playing which had as part of it a comparison of tree stands.
One of the things pointed out was the problem with this particular
tree climber of stepping in the wrong spot and the whole shebang came
plummeting down! Very disconcerting!  Secondly they had the type that
utilizes two cables from the seat to the foot platform. This type
accounts for the most falls due to instability.  Thirdly was the type
that used aluminum angle and was strapped to the tree with good
"American-made"chain(their emphasis). This was the one recommended as
being the safest. ( BTW I didn't see the start of this video so I
can't comment whether it was Bean's propaganda I only know it all made
common sense)

The way I have gotten setup was thru the use of lace on climbing
steps. They don't hurt the tree and are very stable( they work by
lacing the rope similar to a childs chinese finger clamp, you know the
kind that squeeze harder as you try to pull your finger out). It takes
a few minutes with a climbers belt to lock your stand on but its neat
and works!

The stand goes for about $75 and a half dozen steps for $15.

I have gotten into the habit of bringing a paperback book(adventure
mysteries keep me awake) also I bring a couple of the Audubon
paperbacks on trees,wildlife,etc.( Nothing more frustrating than
seeing something and not being able to identify it!) Also think food
and drink. If everything I've seen on Michigan Outdoors is to be
believed,relieving yourself can actually attract deer so you may not
be up that tree long!

Finally as to the dia. of the tree 8-10 inches at the height you want
is ok.  Six will do if you don't mind the movement and also in a lot
of areas 8-10 feet off the ground may not be enough as deer become
wary and start looking up.  Don't laugh I've seen it happen! Good
Luck!
From: eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:44:35 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Aug19.071810.23852@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
>>I am looking to buy my first handgun with a specific purpose in mind.  I
>>do some solo backpacking and I'd feel more secure with the protection of
>>a handgun.  Although just about any handgun will scare away threatening
>>people [I've seen "Deliverance" too many times :-)  ], what kind of gun
>>would be suitable in scaring away bears?  I wouldn't be hunting with it,


I think what you are asking is a very naive question. If you run
across a bear the best thing to do is let it take it's own way and for
you to just wait him out and see if the bear will just go about his
business and you can do the same. I am not so sure that you can scare
the bear away by firing a loud shot. I think if you are going to shoot
you should try to take him out and have as large a caliber as you are
comfortable with. You do not want to get him upset and it is possible
that you would make matters worse by the loud noise. I think the best
think to do is try to get out of the situation as quickly and quietly
as possible. Whatever and however long that takes is beside the point.
Another point against the loud noise is if it was a female that you
came across she might feel threatened by any aggressive action that
you take. Personally I fear the people more than the wildlife and if I
felt I had to carry a firearm for protection then it would be to
protect my self from them not the bears.

Just give them a wide berth........
 
>I would recommend a .380 semi-auto.  They can be had for around $200 and

JerDOG....Join the NRA or else
From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Tree Stands
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:42:03 GMT
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



I've decided to try using a tree stand this year to get my deer.  Our
summer has been very hot and dry and I don't think it'll start raining
just because deer season opens.  So at least for the early season, still
hunting is out.

Does anyone have input on this?  I'd probably go for a good climbing stand
if I can get it for $200 or under.  

Otherwise I'd like to build a couple of my own semi-permanent models.  
Does anyone have a good set of plans that work?  

How do you get the non-climbing types into the tree?  I can't imagine 
packing an extension ladder into the woods.  

Ok, let's assume you've got into your tree stand and are sitting there
waiting for "BIG BUCK" to wander by.  How do you keep from going stir
crazy?  

Lastly, how big should the tree be?  
-- 
"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
From: kpruett@st6000.sct.edu (Kenneth Pruett)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Hunting for Lawyers
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:05:46 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Here is a funny BILL on regulating hunting for lawyers.
This is only a joke!  Do not go out and kill any lawyers because
you saw this posting....do it just because you want to!! ;-)

Enjoy,
Ken

----------------------------------------------------------

                                 A BILL
                        to Regulate the Hunting and
                          Harvesting of ATTORNEYS


PC 370.00

      370.01  Any person with a valid California State Rodent or
      Snake hunting license may also hunt and harvest attorneys for
      recreational and sport (non-commercial) purposes.

      370.02  Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted.
      The use of United States currency as bait, however, is prohibited.

      370.03  The willful killing of attorneys with a motor vehicle is
      prohibited, unless such vehicle is an ambulance being driven in
      reverse. If an attorney is accidentally struck by a motor vehicle,
      the dead attorney should be removed to the roadside, and the
      vehicle should proceed to the nearest car wash.

      370.04  It is unlawful to chase, herd or harvest attorneys from a
      power boat, helicopter or aircraft.

      370.05  It is unlawful to shout, "WHIPLASH," "AMBULANCE," or
      "FREE SCOTCH" for the purpose of trapping attorneys.

      370.06  It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW,
      Mercedes or Porsche dealerships, except on Wednesday afternoons.

      370.07  It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of
      courtrooms, law libraries, health clubs, country clubs, hospitals
      or brothels.

      370.08  If an attorney gains elective office, it is not necessary
      to have a license to hunt, trap or possess the same.

      370.09  It is unlawful for a hunter to wear a disguise as a
      reporter, accident victim, physician, chiropractor or tax
      accountant for the purpose of hunting attorneys.

      370.10  Bag Limits per day:

                 Yellow-Bellied Sidewinders                2
                 Two-Faced Tortfeasors                     1
                 Back-Stabbing Divorce Litigators          3
                 Horn-Rimmed Cut-throats                   2
                 Minutiae-Advocating Chickenshits          4
                 Honest Attorneys --  Protected (Endangered Species)


*************************************************************************
*                                                                       *
*       Kenneth Pruett          Southern College of Technology          *
*       kpruett@st6000.sct.edu        Marietta, Georgia                 *
*                                                                       *
*       Beauty is hereditary --- You mother is ugly!                    *
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: saunders@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Subject: Re: Veracity check
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:14:56 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.084237.17343@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, jimc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Cox) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.083527.17146@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
>>
>>Just a tip on something I saw over at the archery range last night:
>>Hoyt (the bowmaker) had sent out a flyer warning people NOT to buy
>>Hoyt bows from Cabela's, Gander Mountain, etc., stating that this
>>would void the warranty.  Their justification was the the mail order
> 
> Hey, this is an easy fix, just buy Martin and forget Hoyt.  My Gander
> Mountain / Martin XRG came with the regular warranty.

So did my PSE

Tracy Saunders
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Hunting joke (may be offensive)
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:19:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug19.071905.24052
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.080247.23908@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
>The only thing offensive about that "joke" was how bad it was.
>Moderator: Is there anything in the charter to keep out
>no-brainer "humour"?
>
>[Moderator's note: I thought the joke was quite funny.  There isn't
>anything in our charter about jokes.  However, I am curious about what
>other rec.hunters think.  Please send me your comments and include a
>note as whether they are just comments for me or to be posted to the
>group.  tjr]
 
 
I fell like *some* amount of humor should definately be allowed in this
group.  There is a humor section in almost every single hunting /
fishing magaizine I have ever read, and I don't see why this group
should be any different.  I don't want to see this group transformed
into rec.hunting.funny, but I don't forsee that happening - even if
Tim were to post every single joke that comes his way.  In fact, I
would be very much against a "quota limit" on the number of jokes
posted here per day/week/month/year.
 
PS.  I didn't find the joke particully funny.  But each to his own
taste.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
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From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Muzzle loader load....
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:47:30 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I wouldn't jump up and use maxi-balls. Although the T/C's are rifles 1
in 48 and basically set up for an inherently more stable projectile
like the slug, they generally shoot round balls better (easier on the
body while sighting in too!).  What is difficult in shooting
maxi-balls is getting the right fit of projectile to bore, other
factors are the lube and powder charge. I have seen identical rifles
where one shoots maxi's great and the other can't keep them on the
paper at 50 yds.

Whatever you do make sure you practice and KNOW where the gun shoots.

I do not encourage anyone to speed load, you are looking to make
mistakes! What you should practice is loading from near shooting
positions (e.g. laying down behind a rock or a bush, a tree stand,
etc., and being extremely quiet). I also suggest that you practice
this loading in your hunting garb (i.e. all components in the
appropriate pockets) so that if you wound something you can basically
load while watching where the animal is headed.

And the most important hunting tip, "Always reload before persuing
wounded game." Every year I hear horror stories where "I saw it drop
in it's tracks - I was sure it was dead, but when I was 10 feet away
it jumped up and took off -- never saw it again!"

Good hunting,

Robert.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: rlp@drutx.ATT.COM (Bob Prehn (@ The Right Choice))
Subject: Re: Mechanical Release Problems
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:13:16 CDT
Summary: Never a problem
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Archery


In article <1992Aug12.082239.11471@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) writes:
> I am currently using a Trophy Hunter Ball Bearing release with my
> Browning Mirage bow.  I pull 68-69 pounds and shoot an overdraw.  The
> problem is that the release has broken the string serving twice in the
> last week.  Does anyone know of a soultion to this problem?  I heard
> that this problem is not uncommon for bearing-type releases at higher
> draw weights.  Is this true?  If so what is the best type of release
> to use to eliminate this problem?  I should also mention that I do use
> a nock between the release and the arrow.  It is also worth noting
> that I have NEVER experienced this type of problem in three years with
> my old bow (58lbs. draw weight).
> 
> All wisdom will be appreciated.
> 
I've used Trophy Hunter ball bearing releases since they came out many
years ago. Bows in 68-74# range, Darton, several York, now a Hoyt Super
Slam Supreme without cutting serving with the release once.
I have cut servings with broadheads and when  removing/adjusting nocking
points, however.  Did you check for a pebble or other foreign object,
or for a defective bearing?  Are the strings handmade or are not tight.
Also inspect around the opening of the release for a burr.

The Trophy Hunter provides a smooth release without flipping the
string to either side.  They don't like to be laid in the dirt though.
I tend to replace them after about 3 years of use, placing them in
back-up status.  (mail order sales around $17)

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