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From: hansel@convex.com (Kevin Hansel)
Subject: For Sale: Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX Turbo (in Dallas area)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:55:58 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

               1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
                 All-Wheel-Drive Turbo

-Red
-16 Valve 2.0 Liter DOHC Turbocharged Engine
-195 Horsepower
-0 to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds
-5 Speed Transmission
-Full-Time All-Wheel-Drive
-Anti-Lock Brakes
-Power Windows, Locks, and Mirrors
-Security Alarm
-Sunroof
-6 Speaker Sound System
-Tinted Windows
-Only 17,900 miles - still under warranty
-Perfectly maintained:
   o Purchased with 6 miles on odometer - never test driven by anyone!
   o Kept under 65 mph and +3 psi boost for first 1000 miles
   o Valvoline 20/50 Turbo oil changed every 3000 miles
   o Standard factory service at 1000 and 15000 miles
   o Always allowed turbo 3 minute warm-up and 60 second cool-down periods
   o McQuire's wash and wax by hand only
-Mint Condition
-Original Owner
-Non-Smoker
-$14,900


This car is very fast and a total blast to drive.  It has been in Car &
Driver's 10 best issue 4 years in a row.  If you've never driven an all-
wheel-drive sports car, you're missing something.   

I'm selling it beacuse I shattered my leg in a dirt bike accident and 
won't be able to drive a standard transmission for at least half a year.

Give me a call!

Home Phone : (214) 264-0257

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Kevin Hansel                           e-mail:  hansel@convex.com
CONVEX Computer Corporation
3000 Waterview Parkway
Richardson, TX 75083-3851               voice:  (214) 497-4741
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss)
Subject: Re: Spaces at an angle...
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.222242.24204@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <BuBKKn.7BF@wpi.WPI.EDU>, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>|> 
>[much stuff deleted]
>|> 
>|> I guess it is a mute point by now......
>
>Well, it will be if everyone keeps quiet about it :-)

mum's the word (now if I could just control these fingers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Re: need info on all-new Ford Probe GT
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:29:17 GMT

In <1992Sep1.205645.6310@nntp.hut.fi> jkosone1@vipunen.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen) writes:


>When is this car to be put on sale??
>I have seen some advertisements about it and I know that it is -93 model
>but usually next year models are released month or two earlier...

The 93 Probes were released back in June.

Ken
-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          ken@wybbs.mi.org
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21643 rec.autos.tech:12376
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Cavalier Brake Problem and Question
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:14:31 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Peter.Hammond@brunel.ac.uk (Peter D Hammond) writes:

>edwin@csri.toronto.edu (Edwin Allum) writes:
>{edited highlights...}

>Hi.
>I've got a 6 year old Vaxhaul Cavalier, I assume they are reasonably similar.
>I commute 35 miles each way to work on motorways/high speed dual carriageways.
>I got warped brake discs a while ago, admittedly at 80000 miles about, but I
>dont think it can be much to do with what they said. I had the discs replaced,
>not skimmed, and it seems that the problem may be just coming back, after about
>another 20000 miles. I havent checked it out, but just in the last few days the
>rumble has been showing itself again.

Check your rear handbrake operating system. Vauxhall/GM use a weird 
thermocouple device on the rear wheels to compensate for wear. If it goes
funny you can get all sorts of problems like locking or partially sticking
brakes.
Also check out your caliper pistons aren't worn, 80,000 miles is quite a lot.
They might be sticking and, when you worked on the brakes, temporarily freed
them by pushing them back in. Now they're working their way back out to the
sticky region of the bore. I *think* the caliper is partially dismantle-able
to allow you to check the bore - the piston comes out.

Dave

>Anyway, my point is, I dont think much to GM's reasons for rumble. I always
>thought that reasons for warpage were related to heat build up. Like the other
>followup poster said ( I cant remember who), I try to relax the brakes after
>stopping from high speed, but it doesnt seem to have helped. I heard going
>through puddles with hot disks can be fatal to them, as well.

>By the way, the other chap said that the max. runout was 0.00005". Sure you
>havent added an extra 0 to that? 5 hundredths of a thou is a _very_ fine
>tolerance.


>-- 
>BFN, Pete.

> Dept. Materials Technology | Disclaimer: SERC pay me | You sometimes have to  
> Brunel University          | to report my opinions,  |    listen to
> Uxbridge                   | not for theirs or the   | A lot of useless talk.
> Middx, UB8 3PH, UK.        | the university's.       |         N. Peart. (RUSH)
-- 
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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too many false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 18:03:46 GMT

>Has anybody had any "real highway driving" experiences with
>Ka Wideband radar detectors other than the Uniden RD5000W ?
>I'd like to know if other radars are more selective.

In the newest Car and Driver, they tested Ka Wideband detectors,
and they said the Valentine 1 dominated their tests more than any
other detector since the original Escort.

Now if Valentine would only make the V1 in a remote configuration!
(I guess you would need two remote units--an antenna for the front,
and one for the back)

Mike
-- 
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:28:46 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

The appeal of luxury/prestige cars (review the etymology of "prestige")
has little to do with either reason or transportation.  Driving an MBZ
is a way of announcing to the world at large that you are a big shot.
Some do this for ego, others because, in certain lines of work, failure
to appear successful is the kiss of death.  Probably a few people drive
one because it's a really nice car and they can afford to do so.

The particular example of the 600 SEL is also partly explained by the
way other car makers, particularly the Japanese, are pounding the low
end of the luxury/performance market.  Mercedes, I take it, is being
forced down the same road that Porsche unwillingly traveled a few 
years ago: selling fewer cars at a higher proce, which implies that
the technology and/or image has to be correspondingly better.

Nobody _needs_ a Mercedes.  Its physical functions can be provided by
a Ford Tempo.  So you have to look at why people _want_ a Mercedes.
If the 600 is perceived as the symbol of Having Arrived, they'll sell
plenty despite a seven-figure sticker. If not, then Daimler-Benz has
failed to do what it really does, which is only incidentally carmaking.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Does anybody have any advice about a J
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:42:47 GMT

In article 29254@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep14.163649.24582@lut.ac.uk>, elcc1@lut.ac.uk (C Callender) writes:
>
>|> I'm planning to
>|> buy a Jaguar XJS (well, my real dream car is an E-type but I don't
>|> think I can quite run to that!). Having looked around, I think that I
>|> could afford a 1983-84 XJS.  The recession in the UK appears to have hit
>|> big thirsty car values pretty hard. Insurance and fuel costs probably mean
>|> that I wouldn't consider a 5.3 litre V12, so (unfortunately), I will only
>|> be looking at the 3.6 litre XJS's. My personal preferance would be to
>|> go for a manual gearbox (more fun to drive, in my opinion!), but there
>|> seem to be a lot more auto ones than manual around.
>|> 
>I wouldn't call it unfortunate that you feel compelled to look at a 3.6
>litre XJS. And if there exists a manual shift in an XJS, this is really
>quite wonderful. The only XJS available in the US is the V12 automatic.
>I have long thought how nice it would be to take the engine from the
>XJ6, combine it with a good 5 speed gearbox, and put it the XJS. The 
>smaller engine would let you use less fuel, and the manual shift would
>reclaim some of the performance. Sadly, there hasn't been a manual shift 
>Jag in the USA for a long time. And with the spiritual successor to the 
>XKE, it is certainly an act of criminal negligence that the 3.6 litre 
>(or even the V12) with a manual shift never made it across the pond. 
>
>My suggestion would be to look for a manual shift. If there is one to be
>found, it is worth the search. Be sure you find one that has been well
>maintained as is in GOOD condition. Otherwise, you may be in for much
>suffering and woe. You could look through a magazine such as Thoroughbred
>and Classic Cars (or something like that) which is a British magazine
>full of ads for vintage cars and articles on restoration and maintenance,
>and ads for parts and service suppliers.
>
>Of course, a mid to late sixties Aston Martin would be a marvelous
>alternative, but I fear they would come very dear indeed.
>
>Good luck.
>
>- BK
 
  I frequently see Jags dead at the side of the road with owners cursing at
the automotive Gods. My advice would be to look at a more reliable type of 
car like a BMW or Mercedes.
  Astons would put anyone in the poor house,and the rich into debt with
maintainance costs.
  If you are not familiar with American cars, do some research on late model
Camaros and Firebirds with 5+ litre V8's, 5-Speed transmissions, four wheel
discs and 50 series Zr tires. Mine just crossed the North American continent
with nothing more than a routine oil change. It's very reliable, cheap to
run and can outhandle any stock XJS.
 
best of luck,

AT  

   
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:09:06 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.181141.22245@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:
>In article <BuBKEI.9to@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>>
>>In article <ILH.92Sep9095500@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:
>>>
>>>That reminds me.  The parking lot at my old high school had their
>>>lines repainted from perpendicular to angled.  The idiot painting them
>>>did not realize that by angling the lines the spaces got narrower.
>>>They were ridiculously narrow.  There's one person who did not get
>>>much out of math/geometry class!
>>
>>I guess I didn't get much out of my math classes either. I always
>>thought that if you take a rectangle of width W and rotate it by X
>>degrees about one of the vertices the rectangle still had a width of W.
>
>"rotation" is not "angling".

That's right. EVERYONE knows that "angling" refers to catching fish. ;-)

>>Try it yourself: take a rectangular piece of paper. Orient it at right
>>angles to the edge of your desk, forming a perpendicular "parking space"
>>(for a Matchbox car ;-). Stick a pin through one of the corners, and
>>rotate the paper by 45 degrees about that pin to form an angled
>>"parking space." Has the width of the paper changed?
>
>Forget the pin. Try collapsing a rectangular frame by changing the
>angles of its corners to something other than 90 degrees.

You use the term "angling" in your response as if there were a
"standard" definition in the context of parking spaces, i.e. that there
was only ONE way in which to convert a perpendicular space into an
angled space. This presumtion is incorrect; as I have pointed out, there
are at least two ways to do it: by rotating about one vertex while
maintaining the rectangular shape, or by fixing two vertices and
shifting the others to form a parallelogram.

So the real question becomes, WHICH method did the painter mentioned in
the original post choose to convert the perpendicular spaces into angled
ones? One method would produce a parking space of the same width
(although the length of the line parallel to the curb where the two side
lines of the space meet the curb would be longer than the old
perpendicular space). The other method would keep the sideline-curb
intersection points the same, and simply change the angles of the
sidelines (and yes, that WOULD produce a narrower space).

The original poster failed to specify which method the painter had used,
yet proceeded to deride him as though he had flunked his geometry
classes. I sought only to point out that perhaps the painter had chosen
an intelligent method for making angled spaces, and that his gripe did
not apply.

Original poster, whoever you are, perhaps you'd care to settle this by
going out to your parking lot and take some measurements? ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Does anybody have any advice about a J
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:29:47 GMT

In article 29254@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep14.163649.24582@lut.ac.uk>, elcc1@lut.ac.uk (C Callender) writes:
>
>|> I'm planning to
>|> buy a Jaguar XJS (well, my real dream car is an E-type but I don't
>|> think I can quite run to that!). Having looked around, I think that I
>|> could afford a 1983-84 XJS.  The recession in the UK appears to have hit
>|> big thirsty car values pretty hard. Insurance and fuel costs probably mean
>|> that I wouldn't consider a 5.3 litre V12, so (unfortunately), I will only
>|> be looking at the 3.6 litre XJS's. My personal preferance would be to
>|> go for a manual gearbox (more fun to drive, in my opinion!), but there
>|> seem to be a lot more auto ones than manual around.
>|> 
>I wouldn't call it unfortunate that you feel compelled to look at a 3.6
>litre XJS. And if there exists a manual shift in an XJS, this is really
>quite wonderful. The only XJS available in the US is the V12 automatic.
>I have long thought how nice it would be to take the engine from the
>XJ6, combine it with a good 5 speed gearbox, and put it the XJS. The 
>smaller engine would let you use less fuel, and the manual shift would
>reclaim some of the performance. Sadly, there hasn't been a manual shift 
>Jag in the USA for a long time. And with the spiritual successor to the 
>XKE, it is certainly an act of criminal negligence that the 3.6 litre 
>(or even the V12) with a manual shift never made it across the pond. 
>
>My suggestion would be to look for a manual shift. If there is one to be
>found, it is worth the search. Be sure you find one that has been well
>maintained as is in GOOD condition. Otherwise, you may be in for much
>suffering and woe. You could look through a magazine such as Thoroughbred
>and Classic Cars (or something like that) which is a British magazine
>full of ads for vintage cars and articles on restoration and maintenance,
>and ads for parts and service suppliers.
>
>Of course, a mid to late sixties Aston Martin would be a marvelous
>alternative, but I fear they would come very dear indeed.
>
>Good luck.
>
>- BK
   
   I have yet to see a reliable Jag. Most often I find some irate motorists 
stranded on the side of a mountain pass, with the XJS gleaming in the sun, dead.
Usually the problem is electrical.
   If you are looking for a reliable sport/luxury car, I would be hard pressed
not to suggest a BMW or Mercedes. There are good Volvos around, too.
   If you are not familiar with American cars, do some research on Camaros and
Firebirds with 5.0 litre TPI engines, 5-Speed transmissions, four wheel discs
and 245/50/Zr16 tires. 
   Mine can outhandle any XJS, give me no trouble,and cost less than anything
else I"ve owned. It just crossed the North American continent with no more than
an oil change,and fires up every time I turn the key.
-
-AT



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From: banchy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Banchy thomas g (410) 461-2216)
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Reply-To: banchy@aplcen (Banchy thomas g (410) 461-2216)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.131732.5498@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>
>Then I would suspect that your boat is either smaller than mine or you
>live in a town with larger parking spaces.  My car is 25 feet long, the
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^

HOLY COW!  25 feet long?!?!  My brother used to drive a '73 De Ville that
we always thought was huge, but I don't think it was anywhere near 25
feet.  That is one mammoth car!  What's the year and model?  What kind
of mileage do you get?  My brother used to get about 8 in town and 11 
on the highway.

Tom
-- 
=============================================================================
 Tom Banchy       banchy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu      banchy@tron.bwi.wec.com
 "babble, burble, banter, bicker...bicker...bicker"  -King Crimson
=============================================================================
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> |> the Integra, I saw the price at the dealer and of course Integra's
-> don't |> come standard with A/C. so that costs another $1000.  That
-> really |> sucks!!
->
-> Actually, both the Integra GS and GSR come standard with Air, only
-> the LS


  No, the Integras do not come factory standard with air.  I have an
Integra GS and no Integra's come standard with air.  It is a dealer
installed option and ranges from $895 to $1495, depending on where you
live.  Don't ask me why Honda doesn't put  air in as a standard, pretty
stupid pating $18,000 for a car and it doesn't come with standard air!!


Erich Lim
From: ap2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan Edward Petrillo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Buying an old Police car
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:29:36 GMT
	<kelley.716437554@cwis>
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



350 Chevy?  C'mon, ask any veteran cops and they'll tell you that there
hasn't been a real cop car made since the last big-block Mopars in '78. 
  Not that there's anything wrong with the Caprice, but compared to the
old cruisers....it's like comparing an '87 IROC with an LT1.    The 440
Mopars were almost a match for the old musclecars, as their greater mass
was offset by better steering and suspension.   Plus the Blues Brothers
drove one...

Alan Petrillo                    Dont trust anyone over 20 mpg!
Carnegie Mellon
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:47:11 GMT
	<1992Sep14.222350.1725@cornerstone.com> <25050@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

On 15 Sep 92 13:40:23 GMT, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) wrote:
>In rec.autos, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) writes:

>>Good point!  I have seen many GM cars with this setup.  It's no wonder
>>they're going under...  What other cars have belt anchors attached to the
>>door?

>Nissan sentra, circa 1990.

VW Rabbit from the late 70's on with its optional passive safety system.

--
-----------------------------------
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: 1987-1991 CAMRYS may lock you in the car
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:27:26 GMT


In article <7740216@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay) writes:
>>>> problem with CAMRYs made before the 1992 model year. An electrical 
>>>> relay can fail, locking the car door locks and windows. The only way 
>>>> out then is crawl out the trunk
>>>
>>>Better hope you have the LE model as the DX didn't have fold down rear seats.
>>
>>My 91 Camry DX does have fold down rear seats. I don't know whether it's
>>standard or not.
>
>My 90 Camry DX does *not* have fold down rear seats.

What does all this mean?

BUY AN AMERICAN CAR!!

The door locks on many domestics will pop open automatically when the
inside door handle is used. PERFECT for those times you run off the
bridge into the cold, dark water, and your electrical system shorts out,
rendering your electric window motors and door lock solenoids inoperative.

[Please note the subliminal smilies scattered throughout this post.]
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Engine for Probe
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <10208.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us 
(David Bonds) writes:
> I knew you had problems with the AC in yours, but have you had major
> mechanical problems as well (engine, transmission, etc)?

To be honest I'm still beating a dead horse.  I got so pissed off about
the air conditioner, I'm only now begining to forgive Ford for screwing
around with me for 1.5 years before fixing it.  I'm also wondering
how long it will be before it breaks again.

I got excellent and considerate treatment from the Ford dealer in
Los Gatos, CA, and they picked up the cost of the repair to the A/C.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:20:19 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?

Hello.
I am just curious as to what advantages the 1992 Mercedes Benz 600SEL
 has over the very similar (except the 12 cylinder engine) Mercedes Benz
 500SEL?  What makes the 600SEL $35,000+ more than the 500SEL?  It can't
 possibly just be the bigger engine.  Heck, if someone wanted a 12 cylinder
 car they could look to the BMW 850i, 750iL and the Jag XJS models for a lot
 less money.
From: avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 05:35:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu

 ...I usually drive very hard and don't forget to check my rear view. So, one day
on Hwy 24, I see some black huge beast behind me, getting closer and closer. I 
decide to yield the lane and move to the right but floor the pedal to see what
happens. The road goes uphill. Well, the monster passes me as if I were standing
still, and finally I see "600SEL" on its tail...  Never thought elephants can fly...
-- 
Tony Konashenok   avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu   (510)527-7524 (home)
University of California, Berkeley                 (510)642-5831 (office)

Strauss research group, Latimer Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley CA 94720, U.S.A.
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