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From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Oct10203035
 2Oct10.025730.16223@husc3.harvard.edu><GOROKHO1.92Oct10202001@husc10.harvard.edu>
Organization: Poets for Physics
In-reply-to: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 10 Oct 92 20:20:01

gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky) writes:

> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>>IMO, you get a strange taste, mAn.

>>>Yury

MV
>> Jerks like you my dear will be first against the wall when the
>> revolution comes

ZG
> A na stenke toi kirpich!
> Vsetki tam u nih gnezdo...

Ne zabyvaite, rebiata, kto u nas revoliutsiiu-to zaherachil.

>> misha
> zhenya
Phil
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 10 Oct 1992 07:01:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

>On 7 Oct 92 14:44:04 GMT, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) said:

>> In article <1992Oct7.203948.4074@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> 
>sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:

>AK
>>>Theoretically anybody can say whatever [s]he wants. In practice not
>>>everybody is allowed to. I am curious to learn if there was any
>>>examples of the opposite sort in the recent history of Holywood
>>>(namely - white guy making racially charged remarks WRT to blacks).

>VA
>> Nope. If some white person will try to publish something like that
>> the black activists will raise stink up the Heaven. 

>Go fuck yourself, and try to find a better place to stink up
>than this newsgroup. 

So they don't have PC in the U.S. ?


I.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8447 talk.politics.soviet:8349
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:31:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct9015945@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

>vas vsekh nuzho unichtozhit, tak chto pridetsia vam poterpet',

Nu priletajte, razberemsja, a to chto zh tam izdaleka rugat'sja. Tak daleko
dazhe veter ne nosit.

Yury.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Subject: Re: Privatization Vouchers - can Americans purchase them?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:39:18 GMT

In article <rabjab.3.718398016@golem.ucsd.edu>, rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
> I heard about the new Russian Privatization Voucher program on the news
> this morning.  Can Americans purchase these vouchers?
> 
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu

I guess the answer is yes, since one of the main proclaimed tasks of the
program is creation of market of capitals. Friend of mine e-mailed me today
that the market price in SPb is 3,000 rubles (about $10) apiece. Even less
then misterious face price of 10,000 rubles.

Sergei Maurits

(Serega without CO)
From: vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:39:37 GMT

In article <921001236@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
> ............... OTOH, the film Andrei Rublev will be shown at the
> University of Colorado next month. There are some good co-efforts too, such
> as The Inner Circle and Back in the USSR.
> 
A few years ago, Andrei Rublev was screened in a campus theater at Stanford.
I missed it back in the USSR, and I jumped at the opportunity (I was at
Stanford than).  Like most educated Russians, I loved that movie;
however, most Americans in the audience were dissapointed.
Not because of any culture clash, or cultural deficiency on their part,
but for a rather mundane reason:  the English translation stank to high
heaven:-(.

So here is my advice to Timothy and any other American who want to see
Andrei Rublev:  Definitely go see it, but if you do not understand spoken
Russian, get a friend to translate it for you, or at least to provide
some comments.  If you HAVE to rely on subtitres to understand what's
going on, please, PLEASE, do not judge the movie itself by their abysmal
quality.

--
**********************************************************************
Vadim S. Kaplunovsky,              | #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Assistant Professor of Physics,    |
University of Texas at Austin.     | My English isn't THAT bad,
vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu         | but my typing stinks:-(.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:56:49 GMT
  <1becnpINN4it@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <67762@cup.portal.com>

In article <67762@cup.portal.com>, DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>
>>Mother Goose writes:
>>
>>
>>>About freedom of speech and "Cop Killer":
>>
>>>Freedom of speech is not "just a piece of paper" in America, ...
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>"Freedom" is a complicated idea that has strong dynamics.
>>>In America it is far from being "just a sheet of paper."
>>
>>>It is our national obsession.
>>
>>>margaret
>>
>>Thanks Mum. Don't you have some nappies to change now?
>>
>>
>>I.
>	I beg your pardon. I thought Margarets (or Patricias, whomever it is)
>comments were exceedingly well thought.
>
>\  / |  /\    |+ /\ |+  == /\ |    \\//
> \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
>+----------------------------------------+
>==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com


  God, that's pathetic, you'll defend anything she says won't you!

 
                                                            adam
.
From: olga@cerl.uiuc.edu (Olga Kuznetsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Bachurin (bard/artist) in the US
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:31:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8H4B.60I
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab


   A wonderful artist, poet, song writer and performer, Evgeny 
Bachurin, is in the US now.  I am looking for contacts in art galleries, 
people interested in art and also people interested in his concerts.  
Bachurin usually accompanies his songs with a slide show of his 
paintings and English translation of his songs (that might be 
interesting for Americans interested in Russian culture).  He is a 
professional, not an amateur.  He toured Europe, and he was the only 
Russian invited to a very prestigious literature festival in England.  
The catalog from that festival contains a nice article on him.
   This is not a commercial.  I am looking for help in organizing his 
concerts and exhibiting his art.  Any suggestions are welcome.  More 
info is definitely available.  E-mail responses are welcome, since it is 
probably the fastest way to get hold of me. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: RE: New Language -- immigrantish
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:38:38 GMT


I am not sure to whom Vadim refers to when talking about "English
wannabes, where to a Russian learning English or to an English
speaking person learning Russian.  Being in the later, I would
attempt to translate ZHILPLOSHCHAD as living-space meaing in the
context of square-footage.  However, I have another phrase, which
a wannabe from either side can try and translate: 

Molodozheny snimayut ugol!

Also, those learning Russian can make simple mistakes too.  Consider
the following.  A person is describing a girl.  U nee chernye
volosy i u nee est' krasnye glaza.  What do you picture in your
mind?
                            Jeff
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: email advice - Moscow
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:52:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>3) EMAIL SERVICES:
>Glasnet is run by very energetic interesting people but my
>phone line here is too noisy even for MNP5, so I only manage
>a good connection with them once or twice a day. They are out by
>VDNKh, about three blocks directly behind the Yaroslavl Hotel.
>It is a ten minute walk from the VDNKh Metro to go there, and I paid
>1800 roubles to get connected for the first month. I wonder if I
>will have to make this long journey to also pay for the second month?
>
>Glasnet gets Usenet groups and has their own eco- and human rights-
>oriented conferencing system with APC.
>Any questions?
>
>Hope I helped,
>margaret
	Jeeze Marg/Patr, how much does a, like, carpenter make these days?
What kind of a household hit is R1800?
Do they still use mallets instead of framing hammers? You might not notice
things like that.
	I watched a crew of carpenters restoring an old church in 1987.
Watched for an hour or so while they struggled with sledge hammer like
tools. No forks (tines?) on the end for rectifying errors.
	Unusual that the working class was not allowed to rectify errors in the
workers state.

==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:30:56 EDT

In article <84600011@glas.apc.org>, Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
> .....
> The central idea to this is that any woman who enjoys sex
> with a man must die in shame. 
>  ......
> And what about modern American culture? How many famous police thrillers
> begin with the body of a dead woman? And look at this new movie
> with Clint Eastwood, "The Unforgiven." The entire premise for
> the plot is the mutilation of prostitutes, good women who were trying
> to survive in the rough world of frontier America and provide a
> very necessary feminine influence in places that were often too
> unsettled for most women to inhabit.

  And what about the "Basic Instinct" beginning with a body of a dead man?
And what about that fucking machine who enjoying sex not only remained
alive,but also killed men who had a trouble to enjoy sex fucking her?
But,I agree with you. Because the "Basic Instinct" is just an exclusion
which was not very well accepted. As they say "An exclusion which
just verifies the rule". I heard a lot a lot of critical words about
the movie (and mainly from americans (and women among them)).

>.......
> Is it obvious now why in American feminism there is the common
> attitude that sex with men is equivalent to slavery?
> This is part of why we are so obsessed with sexual matters in the
> struggle for economic equality. Not just job discrimination,
> but everything to do with sex. Even mere sexual language or
> imagery can be upsetting for some feminists, whether it results
> in real discrimination or not. Still, somehow it threatens us with
> the Dead Woman Culture.

  I think that in Russia a woman experiences more job discrimination
than in USA. I remember when I studied in an Institution there was a
place where our group could go to work after graduation. But the boss
told that the possibility of getting a job for a woman is almost zero.
He said that phraze openly. But somehow russian women are less
concearned about that discrimination than americans. The dependance
of a woman on a man is also part of russian culture.Ask women and
you will see that most of them would prefer to depend on their husbands.
And the same about men, who would like her wifes to look after home
and children instead of pursuing career.

> ......
> The most astonishing piece of literature I have evr read is
> "Master and Margaret." THIS WOMAN FLIES NAKED OVER MOSCOW AND
> IS NOT ASHAMED. SHE COMMITS ADULTERY AND DOES NOT DIE A GRUESOME
> DEATH. SHE HAS RESPECT AND LOVE AND SPIRITUAL POWER. 
>  ....

  Yes , Margaret was spiritually much stronger than the Master.
But did not you notice that nevertheless the Master was a man
Margeret was depending on. Considering the Master and Margaret
alone (without Voland,Frida,etc) she was the dependant.
Though the stronger one.
 
> margaret, unashamed

Vadim.
From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:16:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:

>ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky ) writes:

>>Garik, this message still doesnt explain why you insist on him being a "racist"
>>Maybe you think that he is not "being intellegent", but in which way does it
>>make him a racist?
>>I think that truly intellegent people don't use name calling as an argument
>>I am not disagreeing with your point of view about how White America should
>>act or should't act here -- I just don't understant why every person who
>>doesnt have the same views as you do on interracial relations becomes a "racist"

>>Ira

>Ira,

> I never said that Vadim is not intelligent, this is far from my opinion of him.
> I am also not doing any name calling, I am doing describing, i.e., based on 
> his comment, I feel that he is racist.  By the way, in my dictionary, word
> racist is not as terrible as it might be in your dictionary. 	If a person
> was brought up in environment where there are almost no blacks and where 
> blacks are considered as some strange creatures, then that person will most 
> probably become racist. By the way, same thing can be said about blacks, many
> of whom are also racists, although they claim otherwise by using alternative
> definition of 'racism', which includes word "power' in it.  


> ---Garik.

I agree that there is a lot of racism in XUSSR, but in my dictionary racist is
still a terrible word to call a person, so I just thought you at least owed
Vadim an explanation of why you think he is a racist (which you never gave)
I don't agree that his comment was a racist one but maybe if you can provide
a good argument, I'll agree with you.
I just want to understand what you consider to be racist -- after all, maybe
I should be careful saying what I think around you -- or you'll consider me
racist? Or maybe you already do? :)

Ira

P.S. Wanna copy some ABBA and Boney-M tapes I just copied from Dvorkin?
Very nostalgic... :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:53:41 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct13.195312.16358@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
	[...something about usual PS stuff ignored and deleted]
>P. S. In fact, sex was evil force and was 
>justified only if persons involved are
>deeply in romantic love for all prerevolutionary
>Russian writers, except Rozanov, some Kuprin,
>Bunin and F. Sologub. 

So what about Pushkin? Lermontov? Early Gogol?
Chernyshevskiy? :-)
Gorkiy? ("21 and 1"?) :-)
Kuzmin?

(I know that's a mixture of different epochs - but I wasn't first :-)

Though, maybe it's again my apprehension problem and Misha means that
sex was justified for persons who were deeply in love with "all 
prerevolutionary Russian writers, except..." (something like PS)

>The untolerance to sensuality
>went much more deeply than in Western literature.

?? Tolstoy + Dostoevskiy < Russian literature
Intolerance is specific trademark of them and revolutionary intelligentsia.

>I don't think that without revolution Master
>and Margaret's explicit scenes could be
>possibly written. 

Not to mention Bunin's stories before revolution :-)
Or Mayakovskiy's early poems.

Women liberation and sex were "in the air" from the beginning of century.

P.S. sorry couldn't resist :-)
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Sokurov is NOT an asshole!
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:36:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!

>... some stuff deleted
>
>>  And what that asshole Sokurov made out of "Billion years before Doomsday"...
>>  This guy pretends to be something like "Tarkovsky today". But he just
>>  doesn't have the guts. He has fears and complexes, but no power or talent.
>>  At the presentation of "Billion years before Doomsday" I threw an orange
>>  at him. Wish it had been a 1000-ton concrete block.
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I wish it was, too. Then you would get "gryzha" trying to lift it, and wouldn't
>through this kind of groundless accusations on people, and call them names.
>I mean you might not like the way Sokurov works, but I don't see any reason to 
>call him an asshole.

Sure! I was incorrect and bring my apologies to Mr. Sokurov and to all
assholes too. There was no reasons to call an asshole Sokurov, or Sokurov
an asshole. You are right, as usual.

BTW, I _really_ regret about calling that guy that thing. But what you
do is much worse - not only you insult me, but you wish me harm. This
is ungood. Repent!


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ex-soviet banknotes
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:21:18 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <7531@charon.cwi.nl> I asked about the languages used on
ex-soviet banknotes.  Thanks for all the responses.  I have had quite
a few that listed the languages used, but nobody appears to know the
order in which they occur.  Alexei Lebedev suggested using the
scientific method, i.e. going to the Soviet consitution of 1936 which
lists the republics in canonical order.  I did it less scientific (but
with correct results I think) going through the references I have at
home, and one of those references appears to list the republics in
canonical order (at least the languages I recognize do match).  For
those who are interested here it follows:
	Russian, Ukranian, Belorussian, Uzbek, Kazakh, Georgian, Azerbaijani,
        Lithuanian, Moldavian, Latvian, Kyrgyz, Tajik, Armenian, Turkmen,
        Estonian.
Thanks again, dik
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: muh@physics10 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 1992 05:42:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics10.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.180712.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>
>Dzhentel'meny, na pravax byvshego sootechestvennika ne mogu ne zametit',
>chto vam zhloba iz sebya nado ne davit' po kaple, a cherpat' vedrami.
>Esli o prisutstvuschei dame govoryat "ona", to razgovor proishodit v 

Razgovor proishodit, kak ne slozhno zametit' v USENET'e, i ja sovsem ne
uveren, chto dama v dannyj moment prisustvuet. Vo vsjakom sluchae zdes'
ee net. Ja proveril. 

No vse zhe: kak prikazhete ee  (vas, Partricia), nazyvat' v tret'em lice?

Yury.

P.S. Na pravah ssotechestvennika pozvol'te rasskazat' anekdot:

V karinjuu izbu dervni stuchatsja dva gorozhanina, u kotoryh slomalas'
mashina. Hozjajka skvoz' dver' krichit, chto muzha doma net i ona ih boits'a.

"Nichego, my zhe dzentel'meny", otvechajut prishel'cy.

Uspokoennaja hozjajka otkryvaet dver'.
nautro gosti vidjat vo dvore 10 kur i desjat' petukhov:

"Hozjajka, a zachem vam desjat' petukhov?"
"Da u menja tol'ko odin nastojaschij, a ostal'nye tak, dzentel'meny"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Sokurov is still NOT an asshole!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 21:07:22 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct13.200218.16359@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

> Sokurov's films. Well, these films *are* radical,
>that's another plus, but what they do is mostly
>deflation of the idea of avantgarde itself. 
>Sokurov's technique is brilliant, but he 
>has nothing to say and it shows. 

Or maybe he doesn't know yet how to say that, didn't find the way.
(The question is - would he ever).

Or, maybe:
Akhmatova liked what Yeats once said about Chekhov 
- that he doesn't know about brilliant lights, flashing knights and
fights in the sky.

Or, the most probable (and the least acceptable :-):
different languages. Sokurov is quite sure in what he's doing -
so maybe that.

>Misha.
	-igor
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:30:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au


At cinema last night, was pritty Russian girl in row in front of me...

...she rushed off before I could tok to her.

jw
From: VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (SERGEI VIZNYUK)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Need a date for Moscow theatre!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Forwarded without permission:
---------------------------------------------------------

From: Pete Kvitek <kvitekp@jvd.msk.SU>

In article <14189.2ad83954@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> you write:
:
:   The best ice cream in Moscow (IMHO) was in
: Cafe Lira at Pushkin square. But one have had to
: use not the "central" entrance (the same where is
: McDonalds restaurant now), but the door ~thirty meters
: to the right from it.
:   One thing which was always pleasant about this
: place, is that despite huge lines of idiots for ice
: cream in the nearby kiosk, there were virtually no people
: at this cafe, even during summer.
:   Is it still there ?

it was there last June... and you know what? This was the last place
in Moscow where i had natural milk-based ice cream.

:
: And how is life in general in post-Sovok Russia ?

hmm... it's still never ending SOVOK. In general? Just fine -- the term
SOVOK got approved by 21:00 News TV Show types, the liter of 93 gas goes
for 25 rbls, the US$ for 340 rbls... got a picture? Feel free to ask me for
more details :-)

: BTW, how did you get an e-mail (GlasNet ?)
: account in MSK ?

Quite simple -- you pay anout rbl30,000 to RELCOM or DEMOS and get an
account. It gives you internet email and news for a year. in addition
you pay about rbl7,000 for every megabyte of intl traffic.


Alternatively, you can use to public access bbs (there are about 200 in moscow)
and have the same stuff plus xSU domestic conferences. All for free -- but
slow (2-3 days turnaround time to US).

That's about it... GlasNet is not actually visible :-)  Most people use
RELCOM or FidoNet. That's about it...


--

Pete Kvitek <kvitekp@jvd.msk.su>, FidoNet(tm) 2:5020/6 | Phone:+7-095-328-1327
Speaking from but not for JV Dialogue, Moscow, Russia  | Fax:  +7-095-329-4711
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Adam's Rib
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:30:22 GMT
	<1992Oct13.143849.129949@watson.ibm.com>

In article <1992Oct13.143849.129949@watson.ibm.com>, galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_ writes:
>In  <1992Oct12.035535.2745@zooid.guild.org>  Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>> Lines: 24
>>
>> In article <67501@cup.portal.com>, DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>> >>How good/bad "Adam's Rib"?
>> >>
>> >       Galina, I just saw "Adam's Rib" last month. To my American
>> >tastes it was quite good. A 1990 Sov production. Seemed to have much
>> >domestic commentary about the demoralization of late Sov society. I'm
>> >sure that you're more qualified than I to judge that.
>> >       It was personal, small scale. I enjoyed it.
>> >       The title was disorienting as there was a Katherine Hepburn movie
>> >of the same title.
>> >
>> >
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>> > \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
>> >+----------------------------------------+
>> >==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
>>
>>
>>
>>   I saw that! It was humorous, but because my previous experience with Russian
>> cinema is limited to "The Overcoat" some Sergei Eisenstein movies and little
>> Vera, I'm not sure if it was really good by Russian standards.
>>
>>                                                                     adam
>Thank you very much for helping me with this $15/35miles decision.


  HUH? What? Don't confuse me ;->. It's too easy.

                                                               adam