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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:19:31 GMT

In article <2550@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <1992Sep08.173448.614955@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>
>>I have no idea who this author is, nor what he says in the book. But -
>>your comments scare me. You say "nor does it *entirely* reject tradition".
>
>Rabbi ... alav hashalom, was an Orthodox Rabbi who
>recently passed away.  I invite you to read some of his works rather
>than to rely on my brief summary.
>

I am not passing judgement on him. I merely said that the comment
"nor does it entirely reject tradition" implies it *does* reject
tradition. If he does reject tradition as you imply, then why
bother reading his works?

> ...

>I don't observe tradition, I observe Halacha. 

Halacha says "minhag shel Yisroel Torah hi" - the customs/traditions
followed by the Jews are part and parcel of the Torah itself.

> Tradition is believing
> that "nashim daatan kalot" is connected to X chromosomes rather than
> the society in which the women were raised.  Traditions like this
> scare me.  Resposes like this scare me more.
>-- 
> |warren

Unfortunately, it seems our current society has led you to
misinterpret, distort and corrupt a phrase in the Talmud.
The saying "nashim daatan kalot" has *absolutely nothing* to do
with feeblemindness, as others would have you believe - G-d forbid.

If you want to know what it does mean, look at the way it is used
in the Talmud, in Shabbos 32b (or 33b -- I'm writing from memory).
There we find Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai under the threat of a death
sentence by the Roman government. He went into hiding, where only
his wife knew his whereabouts. When the persecution grew fiercer,
and the Romans had launched a massive investigation as to his
whereabouts, he was afraid that under extreme pressure and torture,
his wife would cave in and reveal his whereabouts. Or in the
words of Chazal, "nashim daatan Kalot". 

Most certainly, this was not meant to be derragatory.

Furthermore, the same Talmud also states that women have
a "bina yeseira" (lit. deeper understanding) then do men.
This is an obvious contradiction to those who have distorted
the meaning of "nashim daatan kalot".

Therefore, please go back and tell anyone who claims this to
be a derragatory phrase, that they are guilty of perverting the 
Torah, G-d forbid, and will ultimately have to give a
Din v'cheshbon on this.

Please forgive my harsh tone, but these distortions disturb
me greatly. I need not say how much damage such distortions
have caused the Jewish people over the past 1000 years.

Sincerely,
Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: MAC SONUCLARI?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 18:29:06 EDT

BUGUN OYNANAN FUTBOL LIGI KARSILASMALARININ SONUCLARINI BILEN VARSA LUTFEN
GECSIN.  SONUCLAR FENA HALDE MERAK EDILMEKTE.
 
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: It's a crime to massacre a baby.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:42:33 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world


In article <1992Sep9.014815.25947@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:

>Were did you hear that? Greece "militaristic"? What exactly do you mean?

Disgusting, you say?

       "Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"

Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis.

...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured
by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks,
and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An 
official medical report clearly documented this torture....

Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen.

...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his 
feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged
along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the 
head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten
on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips
split open....

Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis.

Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12),
        Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13).

Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police
        Headquarters.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Popularity of neighbouring countries.
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:30:04 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

On the [last month's] question about Republic of Turkey's
idea of the governments in the Middle East, Balkans and the
CIS, I think for the time it is

---------------------------
10 Albania
10 Azerbaijan
10 Bosnia
10 Kirghizistan
10 N Cyprus
10 Turkmenistan
10 Uzbekistan
 9 Kazakhistan
 8 Bulgaria
 8 Georgia
 8 Macedonia
 8 Russia
 7 Croatia
 7 Moldavia
 7 Romania
 7 Ukraine
 6 Egypt
 6 Israel
 6 Saudi Arabia
 5 Iran 
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 4 Iraq	
 4 Syria
 3 Greece
 2 Armenia
 1 S Cyprus
 0 Serbia/Montenegro
----------------------------


Please correct me if I am wrong.

Kutluk
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From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: It's a crime to massacre a baby.
Originator: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: XYZ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:48:15 GMT

In article <8275.9768@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>In article <9209032316.A5593DX@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>>
>> ... typical MUTLU stuff ...
>>
>
>I have been reading reports of Police Brutality from all parts
>of the USA on this net....to hear abou tit in Greece does not
>surprise me as the last I heard Greece was getting a tad
>militaristic.

Were did you hear that? Greece "militaristic"? What exactly do you mean?
You mean, if there's military/Police in Greece. Sure, there's both.
Do you mean there is too much action down there? Not that kind of action.
On the other hand, at about 9,000 discos/bars/pubs on 100 islands with plenty
of cute babes that do along with them, there's definitely a lot of action.
Last time I checked it was pretty kool, democratic and peaceful.

>It seems to be some deviant function of this New World Order.
>The closer we get to the year 2000 the worse it gets out on
>the streets for everyone.

Have you been to Greece, my friend?  Give it a try. You'll like it.

>Len
>--
>*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
>The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
>use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
>		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92

regards

Maximos Stratos.
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From: x91dickenso1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Triantafyllopastry and Mustafa
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:05:43 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University




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From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 31 Agustos
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:38:02 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


Fehmi Koru /31 Agustos/

Bu teror baska

Adana-Cidde seferi yapmak uzere havaalanindan kalkan
'Kizilirmak' ucagi otomatik silahlarla tarandi, ucaga 
dokuz kursun isabet etti. Istanbul'da, Kadikoyden
gelip Karakoy'e yanasan Pendik vapuru kundaklandi;
vapur iki saatte iskelet haline geldi. Her iki olayi da 
PKK ustlendi.

Turkiye terorun boylesiyle ilk defa tanisiyor.

Icinde her irktan, her egilimden insanin bulunabilecegi
toplu tasima araclarina karsi girisilen teror eylemleri,
butun dunyada, terorun en acimasizi olarak bilinir.
Ingiltere'de IRA, Italya'da Kizil Tugaylar gibi en kanli 
orgutler bile adlarini duyurma cabasi gosterdikleri ilk
yillar disinda, bu tur eylemlerden uzak durmuslardir...

Simdi PKK, anlasildigina gore, bu tur suursuz bir teror
yoluna sapmis oluyor.

Bu konuda yapilacak ilk is, herseyden once, eylemleri
PKK'nin yaptigindan iyice emin olmaktir. Bu onemli; cunku
yalniz Zaman'in son yayinlarinda degil, baska kaynaklar da,
PKK orgutunun ve bazen de PKK adinin uluorta kullanilabildigi
kuskusunu uyandiriyor.

Teror orgutlerinn, isin raconu oyle gerektirdig icin, kapali
birer kutu omalari onlari baskalari tarafindan da kullanilabilir
kiliyor. Adi 'terorist'e cikmis kisi ve orgutlerin, bazen hic
gunahlari olmayan eylemleri ustlenmek zorunda kaldiklari bir
gercek. Vaktiyle eskilalar vardi ve belli bir bolgede meydana
gelen butun olaylar, haberi olsun olmasin onlara atfedilirdi.
Simdi de, Turkiye uzerinde hesabi olan cevreler, bu eylemleri
PKK adina isliyor olabilirler.

Bu tur bir ihtimali dile getirmemiz PKK'yi temize cikarma
merakimizdan degil; tersine, PKK, simdiye kadar gerceklestirdigi
ve ustlendigi eylemlerle ne kadar acimasiz bir orgut oldugunu
ispatladi. Pendik vapuru ile Kizilirmak ucagini hedef alan eylemler
ise PKK'nin tarz degistirdigini ortaya koyuyor. Biz sadece "acaba"
diye soruyoruz.

(...)   
Terorle ilgili bilimsel calismalarda, kitleye yonelik suursuz
eylemlerle, toplumun savunma sisteminin ortadan kaldirilmasinin
amaclandigi belirtilir. Terorist veya teror orgutu, aziz caninin
derdine dusen kitleleri bu yolla teslim alir. Direnmenin candan
olmakla es anlama geldigi ortamlarda, kitleler, toplu bir cinnet
hali yasarlar.

Bu tur bir teror cesidiyle degil Turkiye'nin, herhangibir ulkenin
basa cikmasi mumkun gorunmuyor.

(...)

Turkiye'yi hedef alan teror, askeri ve ekonomik ittifak icinde
bulunulan "dost" ulkelerden yardim goruyor. Almanya ve Fransa gibi
muttefikler, PKK adiyla faaliyet gosteren burolarin acilmasina
izin veriyorlar. ABD de, PKK ile dirsek temasi yollarini arastiriyor.

Bu durum karsisinda, 'teshiste hata yapmamak' geregi daha bir onem
kazaniyor. PKK veya onun adina eylemleri gerceklestirenleri ve bu
eylemlerin sebebini iyi teshis etmeden alinacak her tedbir, onlari
engellemeyecegi gibi, belki de teror odaklarinin isine yarayacaktir.

(....)
---------------
-sy-
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From: deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Kelly, Kelly... Why are you doing this?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:41:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

BTW, I noticed that my .sig file did not make it out to the end of my
previous post. Before someone asks why I did not sign my name (read the
header for God's sake) here it is:

Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu



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From: Jennifer A. Pursell
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE: FROM TRNWS
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:56:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University

Thank you so much for these articles.  Highly informative and interesting.

Jennifer
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: "anti-muslim" antonov
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:38:08 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <190jhiINN73a@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:

>Applicable to antisemites, anti-antisemites, Sister Sojulah,
>Saddam Hussein, Hasan Mutlu and Estonian government.

Hmmm. Let's examine it - shall we? The establishment of Armenian 
units in the German army was favored by General Dro (the Butcher). 
He played an important role in the establishment of the Armenian 
'legions' without assuming any official position. His views were 
represented by his men in the respective organs. An interesting 
meeting took place between Dro and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler 
toward the end of 1942. Dro discussed matters of collaboration with 
Himmler and after a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW 
camp close to Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] 

A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not
'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.
As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians
were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August 
1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of
Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: About swimming fatigue of "paliks".
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.155120.7805@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:

>> Sea novices: Although famed as a maritime nation and despite being
>> surrounded by seas, a report has disclosed that only one in ten
>> conscripts called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
>> 
>> Poor "paliks".

>"Swim" or "scuba dive"? Scuba-diving is pretty popular in Greece.
>But of course, scuba-divers can not swim, can they? :-)

The "paliks" were right about one thing. About swimming fatigue,
I mean. Though hard it is to explain, the old legend was correct.
The "paliks" cannot fight and swim. Must have been the "skirts" 
of "paliks" to blame.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: PLEASE READ. RE:LUTFEN BU YAZIYI OKUYUNUZ
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 19:31:35 EDT

DEAR USERS OF SOC.CULTURE.TURKISH
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MYSELF ACROSS TO THOSE WHO FILL THIS NETWORK UP WITH
NUMEROUS UNFRIENDLY ARTICLES AND TURN OUR SCREENS INTO AN UNREADABLE MESS WITH
THEIR REPETITIOUS HEADLINES.  PLEASE USE YOUR TIME WISELY AND DO NOT WASTE OURS
PLEASE STOP POSTING MANY ARTICLES OF HATEFUL USELESS DEMAGOGUERY. AT LEAST TRY
TO SATISFY YOUR ANIMOSITY WITHIN A SINGLE ARTICLE OR USE ANOTHER CHANNEL FOR
PURPOSES.  YOU CAN CONVINCE A LOT MORE WITH SHORT AND CONCISE ARTICLES.  IF YOU
CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS, GET A LIFE OR A HOBBY.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: "porno.dcs.glasgow.ac.uk" did throw up.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:46:03 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bu9MF9.185@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>Charming. Mutlu et al posts the entire contents of libraries to the net
>and everyone yells 'fair use'.

Any comment?

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city 
 of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, 
 closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan 
 on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized 
 and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during 
 the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
 southern side of the lake."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 2 Eylul
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:41:52 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

2 Eylul Fehmi Koru /Gundem/

Cikmaz Sokak

Terorun kendisi zaten kotu de, sonunda yol acmasi muhtemel
gelismeler ulkenin basina yeni dertler acma istidadini
tasiyor. Bu bakimdan, teroristlerin de akillarini baslarina
toplamalari ve basvurduklari yolun cikmaz sokak oldugunu gormeleri
gerekiyor.

Turkiye, terorle 60, 70 ve 80 oncelerinde karsilasti. Dunyanin 68'de
tanistigi universite ve genclik ayaklanmasini Turkiye 60 oncesinde
yasamisti: 27 Mayis darbesi o kargasanin mahsuludur. Teror ne zaman
sokaga dokuldu, kitleleri tedirgin etmeye basladiysa, her defasinda
askerleri de kislasindan disari cikartti. Turkiye, bir tur sartli
refleks olarak, kitle terorunu askerlerin onlemesine alismis bir
ulkedir.

(...)

-sy-
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: how european do the "sipas" feel
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:40:25 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep8.235512.6551@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:

>My question had to do with 'does it belong there?' but not with
>how 'civilized' Turkey is. I have travelled enough to by-pass such
>questions!

Who cares what "sen-bernes" think? 


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: Spero violating US Constitution.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:41:53 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <SES.92Sep11085957@cmns-moon.think.com> ses@cmns-moon.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:

>If Mut'lu's posts really are forgeries, then it does open up a couple of 
>net.loopholes for dealing with them. At the moment I'm not 100% sure that
>they are forged; there is very strng suggestive evidence that this is the 
>case (the path line in the latest batch is a little dubious, but credible
>if a mail to news gatway is being used. 

If you don't want to find out, I suggest you address the issues and
not your bigotry and lies. In April 1942, Hitler was preparing for the 
invasion of the Caucasus. A number of Nazi Armenian leaders began 
submitting plans to German officials in spring and summer 1942. One of 
them was Souren Begzadian Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the 
Armenian Republic in Baku. Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for 
German support to his Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and 
suggesting the creation of an Armenian SS formation in order 

"to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the 
 spirit of the Nazi ideas."

He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories
of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish
homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels
Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language
radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were
produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]

[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106.
[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: new business
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:01:29 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal) writes:


>your account with may have restrictions on that.  Other than that, there
>is really no rule about anything other than US law that applies to
>usenet news.

US law? Since when did US law become the de facto legal standard for Usenet?

The only 'rules' that exist are voluntary ones posted to the newusers groups.
It would probably have been better if the individual had posted his announcement
to the .announce or .new.products group and cross-posted a short message to
the target groups directing people there, after all, why risk chasing away
potential customers.

>Particular networks distributing the news may have
>problems with certain topics coming from outside that network, however,
>one could argue whose responsibility it is to limit distribution unless
>distribution is targeted specifically to that network. 

It's up to individual sites to decide ther own rules as to what they
will/won't carry and what is/isn't permissable by users. US law isn't worth
a toss outside Uncle Sam's shores and this is an International net rather
than a USnet.

Dave

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