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From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Email link to Karachi ?
Keywords: email
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.014207.25995@massey.ac.nz> S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas) writes:
>
>
>Dear Imran Anwar,			Saturday,12th. Sep. 92.(1.40 PM)
>Aslam-o-Alaikoom,
>But we hardly get response from these addresses. Situation might improve
>when you take things under your control. I am a Lahori and is keen to
>contact Lahore by EM. One of my brother is in Karachi too, thus I would
>like to be in touch with Karachi EM address.
>Jizakallah on your efforts. Please keep it up.
>Regards AND BEST WISHES.
>Ghazanfar,
>Massey University,
>New Zealand.			S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz
>

You say "But we hardly get response from these addresses."

I am not sure what addresses you refer to.  Please let me know any problems
you are having.

Also, Lahore IS very much on-line.  Please have your brother(s) get in
touch with Dr Usman Anwar in Lahore at 830111 so they can log in and
send you email and receive it fromyou.  As I said, Lahore is on-line right
now.  Karachi depends on the great PT&T.

Imran
From: zafarha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Haseeb Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: ASU Pakistani students in trouble
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:05:09 GMT
Organization: ECE DREXEL UNIVERSITY

About 20 Pakistani students came to Arkansas State University to do M.B.A. 
through some programme.The director of intenational students is a Pakistani,
he is giving trouble to all the new students, seems like he wants to make some
money from them.
 He says that he has got all the students to US on his responsibility. Now 
when all the students are here, he says that no one can leave the campus 
without his permission, he says that everyone has to give him the passport,
$800,  return ticket  as a security that they dont have any plans to run away. 
The students had to buy an open return ticket for one year which costed them
$2100/-- or Rs.57000/--, he says if anybody is not going to follow his instructions 
he will call the imigration, and the students will be deported. Dont you think 
its harrasment in USA what he is doing, is it any law to keep the passport of 
anybody , is it allowed under any circumstances what he is trying to do. 
Is it possible That if someone doesnot give the passport he can call the immgration
that Mr such and such has aplan to run away in the country, you think its fair to give him
$800 as security.
   Now here is the major problem, all the students in the programme have the 
permission of three month internship, this director who is saying all this
has the power to authorize the student for this internship, he says if someone
will not follow his orders he is not going to give any permission to work.
//
//
DO SOMETHING I THINK THE GUY IS HARRASSING THE NEW COMERS, THE GUYS ARE NEW
THEY DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THEY WILL KEEP ON DOING WHATEVER HE 
SAYS. SOME GUYS DONT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS USELESS STUFF LIKE EXPENSIVE
TICKET, SECURITRY DEPOSIT SO HE CAN EAT THE INTEREST ON THAT MONEY, AND WHY 
SHOULD SOMEONE DEPOSIT HIS MOST PRIVATE DOCUMENT (PASSPORT) AND WHY THEY
SHOULD GIVE HIM THEIR TICKET. HOW CAN HE SAY THAT HE CAN CALL THE IMMIGRATION
AND THROW THE STUDENTS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. THE STUDENTS HAVE COMPLETE
DOCUMENTATION, THEY ARE PAYING THE UNIVERSITY, THEY HAVE VALID J-1 VISA
FOR ONE YEAR, CAN ANYONE DO SOMETHING, CAN ANYONE TELL WHETHER ITS LEGALLY
RIGHT WHAT HE IS DOING, CAN WE TAKE ANY KIND OF ACTION. 

REPLY PLEASE YOUR BROTHER STUDENTS ARE IN PROBLEM

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Haseeb Zafar
Lab Tech
EcE Dept
Drexel Univ
Philadelphia
PA,19104
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: dill ka kush rakhnaa & Jagjit Singh
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:24:51 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <4439@equinox.unr.edu> zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir) writes:
>>Syed Zafar Kazmi writes:
>>|> In article <1992Sep3.170801.3545@athena.mit.edu>, anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>>|> |> 	ADIL [humm ko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat, laikin
>>|> |> 	      dill kay kush rakhnay ko Ghalib, yeh khial aacha hai] NAJAM
>>|> Again, I take exception. The shayr is supposed to go like this:
>>|> 	Humm  ko  maaloom hai  jannat  ki haqeeqat, laikin
>>|> 	dill kay bahlanay ko Ghalib, yeh khayal achcha hay
>>|> Zafar Kazmi

>Zafar, with due apology your supposition is wrong here.  Adil Najam
>has written the sher correctly. 
>Zia Zafir

Many urdu-daans have informed us of the correct version of the
shair, but the skeptics shall remain skeptical. The point Zia Bhai
is that "Pakistanis: The Next Generation" trusts Jagjit Singh more
than yourself. It is unfortunate, but true, that when Jagjit corrupts
Ghalib's poetry, people believe him rather than yourself. The fact of
the matter is that most people would go to Jagjit's album rather than
Ghalib's devaan to authenticate your statement.

	   Saying SubhanAllah, I remain....

	   		 	    dsqa


-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Attn. O ya people of St. Louis, MO
Organization: Waaaaaaaaay Oooooooover Thereeeeeeeeeeee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:45:04 GMT
Keywords: Iftikhar, Rathore


Fellow SCPians of St. Louis,

I am trying to contact Iftikhar Rathore, who has recently
arrived from Islamabad, he probably is in St. Louis area.
I would appreciate any help in this aspect.

Regards,

Yasin.

617-821-7949
From: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Subject: Re: humm aaa gaa-aye tou garmi-e-baazar daikhna....
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:09:01 GMT

|> |>     (*)	na raha junoon e rukhay vafa veh rasan yeh daar karo gay kya
|> |>         **** (getting lost here, sorry)
|> 
|> 		your intution was right, the whole sheyr goes thus:
|> 			
|> 		na raha junoon e rukhay vafa, yeh rasan yeh daar karo gay kya
|> 		jinhaiN jurm-e-ishq pay naaz tha, woh gunah-gaar chalay gayay
|> 
|> 		[this is a sheyr that I have always identified with:-)]
 
Pardon me, but as I remember it the shayr goes like this:

	Na raha wo rang-e-rukhe wafaa, yeh rassan yeh daar karo gay kiya
	jinhay jurm-e-wafaa per naaz thaa, woh  gunahgar chalay  gayay

Zafar Kazmi
From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SAQIB JAMSHAID
Date: 13 Sep 1992 15:28:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
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From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SAQIB JAMSHAID
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From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SAQIB JAMSHAID
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                   I am looking for Saqib Jamshaid,he is a new arrival 
                   at University of Michigan at ANNARBOR from U.E.T.
                   Lahore. 

                                                KALEEM ULLAH CHAUDHRY
                                                E MAIL :chaudhry@aludra.usc.edu
                                                Phone # (213)-735-2837
From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SAQIB JAMSHAID
Expires: 
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       I am looking for Saqib Jamshaid.He is new arrival at 
       University of Michigan at ANNARBOR from U.E.T.,Lahore 
                                        Kaleem Ullah Chaudhry
                                        E Mail: chaudhry@aludra.usc.edu
                                        Phone # (213)-735-2837            
        
From: chaudhry@usc.edu (Kaleem Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SAQIB JAMSHAID
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Satellite TV reception
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:57:53 GMT
Keywords: Satellite, TV, TVRO

A.A.

Would be interested if some kind soul may post any information
on the satellite system available in Pakistan, how many
chanels/satellite ITC can be watched in Pakistan, what is cost range
etc. While at it does anybody have any info of Urdu/Hindi programs off
a satellite in USA,(I am located in North East). It is a shame there are
French, Italian, Japanese, Italian, Arabic etc. DEDICATED channels but 
probably not even a day of program available none for the people of
Indo-Pak. 

Would be grateful for any input on this topic.

Regards,

Yasin.
From: a9@public.BTR.COM (Ashar Nisar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: email address  sahics.edu.pk
Keywords: address
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:21:06 GMT
Organization: BTR

We are pleased to allot the address "sahics.edu.pk" for SAHICS 
institute in Lahore, Pakistan (as requested by their agent).
They had orginally requested sahics.AC.pk (like the pattern in Australia etc.)
but we had already allocated .EDU for the academic institutes.

This makes Sahics the second educational organization to use the PK
address domain (the first one being UET.EDU.PK, which is not active at
the moment). 

We would like to see more Pakistani organizations to get the internet
access in the future.


Ashar Nisar   a9@btr.com
Imran Anwar   <imran's email address>

PS: sahics.edu.pk address may not be operational yet.

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From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.asean,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Algeria Vs. the US hypocrisy -From NYT-
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:44:01 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


i found this in soc.religion.islam

In article <716188865@flounder.cs.duke.edu> jisrawi@physics.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>
>                     *********************************
>                     *                               * 
>                     * New York Times editorial page *
>                     *         7/24/92               *
>                     *                               *
>                     *********************************
>
>When Algeria's army staged a coup in January, heading off an anticipated 
>Islamic electoral triumph, Washington, like other Western governments, winked.
> 
>Apologists for the coup warned of frightening consequences if Algeria's 
>Islamic Salvation Front had been allowed to compete. Though the Front's 
>official leadership had promised conciliation and economic reform, apologists 
>argued that radicals would soon have swept aside these moderates. Further 
>elections would have been banned, foreign policy radicalized, market reforms 
>diluted, human rights of non-believers abused.
> 
>It is of course impossible to know what would have happened had democracy been
>permitted to run its course. Given the record of Islamic rule in Iran and the 
>Sudan, such fears can scarcely be dismissed.
> 
>But there is no need to speculate about what's happened since Algeria's coup.
>Elections remain suspended; elected local councils have been disbanded. Human 
>rights have been trampled; thousands of Islamic militants spent weeks in 
>desert prison camps (does this mean it is no more the case?). 
>The army's strong-arm tactics have embarrassed, even discredited Islamic
>moderates. And the Salvation Front has been radicalized. Last month's
>Algeria's provisional president was assassinated, perheaps by Islamis militants
>perhaps by army dissidents. His successor has just appointed a Socialist
>planner to run the government.
>The new prime Minister is known for his vocal criticism of free-market 
>economics and of the International Monetary Fund.
> 
>In sum, the coup has accomplished almost everything the West did not want to 
>see happen. Yet Western democracies remain silent. The new Algerian regime 
>still welcomes foreign investment. The Islamic militants it persecutes are 
>unlikely to seek refuge in Europe, as the Westernized elements might have 
>under Islamic rule.
> 
>The West's attitude is remarkably shortsighted. Algeria's Islamic majority 
>won't go away, nor will it become more democracy-minded when its electoral 
>majorities are treated with contempt. Meanwhile, political instability is 
>increasing.
> 
>The surest way out is an early return to the ballot box, with all parties free
>to compete. America's Algeria policy needs to be revisited.
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Strawberry Fields Forever (1,2,3 + latest addition)
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:10:55 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:

>listening to a old song by Joe Walsh (Eagles, James gang) that went something 
>like,

>spent the last year rocky mountain way, could'nt get much higher :)
heh.the himalayas r higher :)   

>You've got to love these references to rock and cocaine in songs.
not surprising considering they probably wrote them when they were high:)

>this email thing. BTW I am definitely out of here by the 20th. Defending in
>the week following the labour-day weekend.
wish u all the best!!!

>Naveed
Afshan. wishes she was defending soon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.151238.24841@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

|> The word hoor in Arabic from the Quran does not imply women in Heaven as a 
|> reward for living the pious life. I have been reading this string of articles 
|> and am sick of the sexism that is being implied. The word hoor in Arabic and
|> as translated in the Quran means a heavenly partner. It implied in Arabic a
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> person with large eyes, since that was a signg of beauty. The Quran says the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am a swell guy and I believe I will go to heaven if there is one. 
But I would want this heavenly partner (I hope God/Allah knows I am 
not gay) to have small eyes (like the oriental girls). Are `hoors' 
the only thing available up there. :-( 

|> furthermore
|> i am getting sick and tired of seeing islam being denigrated like this. you 
|> people are worse than the folks of soc.culture.iranian. please show a little
|> bit of respect to islam and talk in a respectful manner.
|> 
|> zafar
|> 

Exposing the lighter side of something is not disrespectful.  Its only 
disrespectful for insecure paranoids afraid that any new information 
about their religion can only be something contrary to established 
beliefs.  Maybe prophet Mohd. had a sly sense of humor too.  IMO, it
isn't a bad quality. You should try having some too. 

regards,
--   
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From: qazilb50@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PSAI Scholarship Database:  Assistance Required...
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:00:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
From: qazilb50@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: no
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:58:50 EST
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
From: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: intent intentions. is Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:51:02 GMT
Reply-To: zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <1992Sep6.194137.27241@athena.mit.edu> anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>	At the risk of misquoting, let me misquote again:
>
>	paas kay dushwaar hai har kaam ka aasaaN hoona
        ^^^^^^^^
>	aadmi ko bhi muyassar nahiN, insaaN hoona
>


	It should be "bas keh"


Zia Zafir
From: zia@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: August'14 (A nice book and .....
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:20:31 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

>From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: Re: August'14 (A nice Book and Historical Errors)
>Date: 9 Sep 92 22:23:54 GMT
>Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <7SEP199216481448@iago.caltech.edu> mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
>In article <1992Sep07.182145.16792@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes...
>>To: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au
>>Subject: Re: August 14'.. (There is a nice book...)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>
>Satya writes

>>>	Regarding nuclear capabilities,if India really has one, it will not 
>be able to use it on Pakistan. The reason: pakistan is too close to
>India. As a result analysts scoff at the notion that pakistan is going 
>ahead with its nuclear programme to counter india's capability. On the other
>hand, India is bigger than pakistan and pakistan can drop a few in southern,
>central and ofcourse eastern part of india without needing to worry about
>the fallout. So india rightfully sees this as a threat. The other
>view that is shunned  by analysts is: pakistan fears the large conventional
>army of India and needs a nuclear deterrent. However the size of India
>and the borders with china and other countries(not so freindly) is conveniently 
>forgotten by Pakistani planners.The views expressed reflect the opinion of
>most neutral observers and have been voiced in many articles across the globe. 
>
>	Infact I remember a reputed defence magazine advocating a joint
>israeli/american/indian attack on pakistan nuclear installations(about
>mid 1980's) as it was not in their common interest to have a pakistani
>dictator with such a devastating plaything. Well, on retrospection, I think
>it was not a bad idea after all. However, I honestly think that all
>countries should discard their nuclear capabilities.
>

>				Satya Mallya
>
>
	I recently read a book which highlights the consequences of a
	nuclear war between Pakistan and India. I think you guys will
	find it interesting and will get a better understanding of the
	problem in the sub-continent.
 	The book's name is
	NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION IN SOUTH ASIA, The Prospects for Arms
	Control, Edited by Stephen Philip Cohen and published by
	Westview Press,San Francisco.

	Zia Ahmed
From: moeen@remus.rutgers.edu (MOEEN KHAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: mela
Keywords: mushaira
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:31:37 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


THERE IS GOING TO BE A MELA HELD ON SEPTEMBER 20th, 1992 AT THE
NORWALK COMMUNITY CENTRE, NORWALK, CT.

TIME NOON - 9pm

HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DAY

MEENA BAAZAR,
FASHION SHOW ,

AND TO TOP OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES A

					MUSHAIRA
		HELD FROM 6pm - 9pm.

FOR MORE INFO AND DIRECTIONS, CONTACT:

MOEEN@REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU
KHAN@PISCES.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan)
Subject: Early Morning Prayers
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:09:48 GMT



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This article is not mine.  It is being posted for a friend.  Please
direct all responses to khan@davidsys.com.

Thanks,

Sharaaz Khan

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Assalamualaikum!

  As muslims, we should be aware that the salat is under
the category of the Rights of Allah swt over the human beings,
specially the muslims. Thus, we should establish full five prayers,
and design our time schedule, no matter which part of the world
we are in, around that prayer schedule. Meaning, do not shuffle
the prayer time on account of matters of duniya.

  This brings us to the importance of time management.

  Time is all we have as we live in this life. We can easily
waste time. Our egos can get us involved in schemes of duniya
and its illusionary pleasures, and we can pass time very quickly,
gaining nothing of importance as a result. A muslim must
learn time management. Firstly, in personal life, even
if you are not a corporate manager or such, understand
that you have to offer the five prayers on their appointed
times. Everything else must be scheduled around those
prayer times. You must be ready with the wudu as the prayer
time approaches. This requires a little self-discipline.
But the rewards are many, in the next world as well as
in this world.

  A most important time for prayer is in the early
hours of the morning, starting after midnight and
until Fajr time. No Prophet who got his prophethood
and no Saint who got his sainthood ever missed this
time of special prayers. As ordinary human beings we
must realize the importance of this time of night
for remembering Allah swt. At this time of night
Allah swt descends to the plane of the Earth, as
reported in a Hadith Qudsi. You may do extra Salat,
Wirid and recite the Holy Quran until Fajr during
these hours.

  Most people would say that to do this one has to
forsake sleep. How to go to work or school next morning.
If you reduce your diet intake you do not need much
sleep. Sleep right after Isha' and get up in the early
morning for these extra prayers. Your attention would
be brought to the fact that all the circus of this
world and its schemes are illusions, as you proceed
on this path. Your spirit will be cleansed on worldly
impressions and your spiritual heart will become
alive.

                       was salam, Khalid Khan
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