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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packers 7 - Giants 27 (Packer & Giant fan perspective)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 10 NOV 92 10:35:17    

In article <1992Nov9.224929.12328@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes...

>> Sharpe, as usual, was great.  Packer fans have got to be happy about 
>> the emergence of Jacke Harris.  Favre finally has someone other than 
>> Sharpe to throw to.  (Note that the 2nd and 3rd WRs did not catch a 
>> single pass yesterday.)
> 
>Harris looked good and Sydney proved effective out of the
>backfield...as I said earlier, the Pack needs another good WR to
>balance out their passing game.

Yeah, this has been discussed a great deal amoung us Packer fans - 
that's why I didn't think to mention it again.

>> The Packer defense kept good pressure on Hostetler all day.  They 
>> ended up with 3 sacks for -13 yards.  Tony Bennett had 2.5.  I don't 
>> know who had the other 1/2.  The big story though is that the Packers
>> kept the #1 rushing offense in the NFC (NFL?) to just 57 yards.
> 
>Well, I don't know about good pressure...IMHO, Hoss had more time in
>the pocket than he's ever had in any game this season.  Also, IMO, the
>sacks registered by the Packers were more coverage sacks than
>anything.

I guess I would basically agree.  (Although if that's the most time 
Hoss has had all year I think you got problems.)  At least one sack 
was a definative cover sack.  Hostetler must have stood in the pocket, 
motionless, looking for a receiver for 7 seconds before he was sacked.

Hostetler, with a few exceptions, had enough time to beat the Pack.

JGH
From: klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett)
Subject: Eagles vs. 49ers:  what'll happen
Summary: Eagles D dominates Oline of SF
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:30:28 GMT

    When the Eagles meet the 49ers, it will be a lopsided game, one way or 
the other.  By that time, hopefully the Eagles sputtering offense will be a
fraction of what it was the first four games.  That will be the key of the
game.  
    I will be as bold as to say that the success of the 49ers offense is due
to the play of the offensive line.  The Eagles' D is certainly good enough to
neutralize any offensive line.  If this happens, the game will come down to
Cunningham and the Eagles' offense.  Young could easily be stopped, both in
his scrambling and passing, and the running games slowed, all by controlling
the line.  If the offense can capitolize on the play of the defense, the game
could be dominated by the Eagles.  Of course, this is a very optimistic view. 
The game could easily go the other way.  If the offensive line is controlled
by SF, and the Eagles can't get their turnovers, the game is really over,
because the Eagles aren't a comeback team.
    The game will be decided at the SF offensive line.

					. . . the Mantis
					      (Evinrood)
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 09:15:49 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher

OJ Simpson was the first ever to do it, and Dickerson the only other
player. Didn't he accomplish this in his rookie year? Didn't he
even do it twice? Or maybe the first time he only came very
close (like 1995 or so).

Rene Zandbergen
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Teams with anemic offence and Super Defence
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:03:07 GMT
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>There are 5 teams that come to my mind when I think of teams
>with anemic offence and a super defence.
>
>Eagles, Vikings, Saints from the NFC and the Steelers from 
>the AFC.


Looks like 4 teams to me.  

Also, the Vikings are 2nd in the NFL with a 26.4 ppg.

I think young Sivaram here needs to learn some basic arithmetic.


--Gidi
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From: heinz@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz)
Subject: Re: BENGALS WIN !!!! WE WIN !!!
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:02:00 GMT

saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:

>BENGALS WIN IN AN INCREDIBLE GAME .......
>Okay I am a little excited ... but why not ... 
>Bengals convert a crucial 4rth and 23 to tie the game .....

Boomer finally played well and showed guts on this drive.

>Then Bengals hold the Bears in the 1st drive in OT then 
>go on to score the game winning FG.
>Maybe we might have a winning season now ....

I don't think so - though I certainly wish. The next opponents are the
Jets, Browns, Lions, Colts(?) and some other beatable teams.

But this game was so typical for the Bengals performance this season.
They played partially good, solid football, moved the ball well on offense
and stopped da Bearz on defense. This happened in the first 8 min.
Then they just plain sucked. The offense produced negative yardage overall
through about 25 min and the defense looked helpless against the pass in a 
familiar way.
And suddenly they turn the whole thing around! You would think the 97yard
kickoff return for a TD would break their necks. But they kept cool,
and did a great job with the third TD on 4th down. Boomer showed that
he still can play - he drilled that pass right into the arms of tightly covered
TE ...hmm, name escapes me..Thompson?

Also, Cincy amazed me when they succesfully completed the last drive.
They got to the Bears 11, and a sack plus a penalty made it 2d and 32.
Again Boomer played well and ran for an important 10 yards.
And his pass for the TD - you couldn't have thrown it better.

A compliment to the Cincy D, that stopped the Bears when they had to - in
hte end, although they almost played too soft in the final minute.
Butlers FG was just 1 or 2 yards short.

If the Bengals would just always play like the second half!!
We know they won't, but a W against the Jets sure would be nice.
Looking at the remaining schedule, a .500 season is not out of the
question. 
That's all I hope for, and every realistic Bengal fan, too, I think.

BTW - Johnson's punting sure was bad !!!!!!!!!


>Okay now which Radio is Ditka gonna be on this week ....

>Aji 

>Who Dey !!!!

>BENGALS !!!!!!!!
>-- 
>  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
>  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
>  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
>  |                                     | 			    |

-- 
Martin Heinz
University of Texas at Austin
heinz@math.utexas.edu
*****************************************************************************

                      Visualize Whirled Peas !

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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers Kick ASS AGAIN!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:46:10 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov12.211054.20197@menudo.uh.edu>,
st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
>In article <1drvd6INNul@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>
>[stuffs deleted]
>
>>The only reason why they put those numbers up was because of the
>>soft defense that the Niners played in order to keep the clock
>>running.
>>Come to think about it, the main reason why the Niners "D" has such
>>a poor statistical rating is because of the leads they build up
>>early in a game, forcing them to adapt a soft defense, thus giving
>>up those passing yards. Granted they have been burned a few times!
>>
>>                                                   Tony
>>                                                GO 49ERS!!!
>     That's part of the reason.  But I rememberred that in the last few
>years, their defense would not give up a lot of passing yards even with
>a big lead, and their pass rush was also much better.  That's why their
>defense is always ranked in the top 10.
>
>Edward Hui

The 49ers offense is probably running about as efficient as it ever
has.  According to the Mercury this morning, the Niners offense is
averaging 410.7 a game. Only the 84 team averaged nearly the same at
397.9 yards.
I think that most teams who play the 49ers realize that in order for
them to have a chance in winning the game, they are going to have to
pass. The 49ers pass rush stinks this year,and their coverage isn't
much better.  They have managed to uphold their reputation for being
tough against the run though.
The 49ers have led in most of their games played this season. About
the only way to beat the Niners is by outscoring them like the Bills
did.  Teams with less potent offenses are going to have to score as
as often as they can, if they want to beat the Niners.  And running
the ball is not going to get the job done.
I just don't understand why their pass rush sucks this year. In the
past few years, they have had a pretty decent pass rush. I guess the
loss of Haley and Roberts is bigger then first expected. Considering
that Harris has 9 1/2 sacks, I would think that that would offset
the loss of Haley. Hopefully Green and Veris will come into form
in the near future!

                                                     Tony
                                                  GO 49ERS!!!
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys Meal Menu
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:58:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <BxJB9x.2Mp@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>The following is the lunch menu for the Cowboys leading up this Sundays
>Cowboys/Rams game at Texas Stadium:
>
>Thursday  : Ram Chops
>Friday    : Chicken Fried Ram
>Saturday  : Roast Leg of Ram
>Sunday    : Battered and Deep Fried Ram
>
>The Rams haven't got a prayer on Sunday against the Cowboys. I can pick on the
>
If their is prayer, then anything is possible. :-)
Now wouldn't it be wonderful if the Rams shit kick the 'Boyz's 
behind. Presumably, not everyone has learned that ANY team can
lose a game. Although, I am a 'Boyz/Rams basher, I hope the RAMS,
RAM up and down the 'Boyz's throats/asses.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Ha, ha....
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:11:38 CST

Guess whom I'm laughing at....
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: Best/worst of team history
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:15:44 GMT

For the Oilers:
Best:  Drafting all those linemen in the 80's -- it, more than anything else,
kept them in the playoffs all those years.
Worst:  Firing Bum Phillips
Hon. Mention worst: cutting Steve Largent
-- 
Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
-John Stuart Mill
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Countdown to extinction (for Miami)
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:39:40 GMT
Organization: UB

Only 6 days until the big AFC East game Monday night. It's countdown to
extinction from the division title for the fish. Oh, wait a minute. The
Fins are good now. They beat the Dolts. Whoa! Stand back.
Don't worry Miami, there's always next year.
From: pnorthco@cs.strath.ac.uk (J Paul Northcote CSL89)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle Mailing List
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:42:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <BxCIu8.JG9@cen.ex.ac.uk> cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel) writes:
>
>As there are so many of us Seattle supporters( at least 4 now ) then
>how about a mailing list so someone can tell me what the hell is going on ??
>
>
>
>
>       - A.J.Amsel@exeter.ac.uk.cen

good plan. I hear vurtually nothing about Seattle these days. OK they're 
1-8 but we don't even get highlights of their defeats on TV anymore. Any
Seattl fans willing to set up a list so we can get some info and chat going.

Cheers,

Paul. pnorthco@cs.strath.ac.uk
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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Power Ratings
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:02:32 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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Here are the computer program's current "power ratings" for all 28 NFL
teams.  For variety I am putting in a new column: change in position 
from the previous week, a la Kasey Kasem's Top 40 countdown.
===


             NFL Team Ratings 


      Team           Off  Def  Total  Change in Position

      San Francisco   42   27   69      0
      Dallas          32   30   62     +1
      Philadelphia    24   34   58     +1
      Minnesota       31   26   57     +2
      Buffalo         35   21   56      0
      Washington      26   30   56     -4
      New Orleans     22   29   51     +1
      N.Y. Giants     27   22   49     +3
      Kansas City     23   25   48     +1
      Pittsburgh      18   30   48     -1
      Houston         28   19   47     -4
      Miami           26   18   44     +5
      San Diego       21   23   44      0
      Denver          20   22   42     +5
      L.A. Raiders    17   25   42     -3
      Phoenix         19   21   40     +4
      Chicago         25   13   38     -2
      Detroit         22   15   37     -4
      N.Y. Jets       15   22   37     -1
      L.A. Rams       18   18   36     +1
      Cleveland       14   21   35     +1
      Atlanta         25    9   34     -6
      Cincinnati      20   12   32     +1
      Green Bay       11   17   28     -1
      Seattle          3   22   25      0
      New England      6   16   22     +2
      Tampa Bay       13    8   21     -1
      Indianapolis     2   16   18     -1
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:44:53 GMT

In article <1dr5haINNjrf@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:
>
>I'm glad to hear somebody else say this.  I've always thought the
>same thing about that 1988 team.  They'll go down in history as
>a 3-13 last place team, but they were also a team with an incredible
>amount of bad luck.  They started the year at 2-2 and both of the losses
>could have been wins with two of the seven plays you mention.  I 
>remember Steve Pelluer calling the wrong play in the huddle vs. Pittsburgh
>that cost them a victory and a bad call by the ref to give the Giants
>a safety that should not have been.  Even the NFL said later that the
>ref botched it.  Those first two losses kind of set the tone for the
>season and the team lacked confidence.  I was at the Cowboys' game at
>Philly that year, when they led 20-0 only to lose it 24-23 in the final
>seconds.  That was the game where Landry lost count of where the ball
>was at and missed a chance for a game clinching FG.  Anyway, it was a
>long season which could have turned out a lot better.  Landry himself
>contended that the team should have at least been 8-8.


Let's all be happy that those plays all turned out the way they did. Without
them having the record they did we would not of had Troy Aikman now.

Eric

-- 

		Internet: eric@abode.ttank.com
		    uucp: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wvus!abode!eric

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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer Notes...
Keywords: Oglesby, Eagles
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:48:10 GMT

In article <92316.10293932BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>The Packers released DT Danny Noonan today and signed NT Alfred Olgesby
>to replace him.  I believe the release of Noonan was due to the amount
>of money he was making compared to what he was contributing to the team.
>He wasn't horrible or anything but I really don't think he was any better
>than Esero Tualo.  Yesterday the Packers released Punter Paul McJulien and
>signed punter Bryan Wagner.

Oglesby was the Dolphins 3rd round pick in '90.

Optimistic prediction:  Green Bay is 2-2 at home, while the
Eagles are 1-3 on the road.  Green Bay wins on a score off a
Sikahema fumble.

-- 
	Bad grammar is the leading cause of slow, painful 
	death in North America -- Dave Barry

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ?? Giants/Packers 4th Quarter
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:03:03 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Med

In article <ADRIENE.109.0@CISPO1.CIS.YALE.EDU> (ALN - GO GIANTS) writes:
>Can someone post the 4th quarter info of the game.

Here's all you need (In my best Berman voice):

 "Giants lead 13-7 late in the 4th (3:38 left) Green Bay is on the Giants' 33
  yard line, Favre throws a pass to TE Harris... but NO!... "Don't-walk-away"
  Reyna Thompson cuts in front of him...and he could go all the way...
  TD Giants."

With the score 21-7, Favre was intercepted again by Jackson and he returned it
36 yards to the Green Bay 27. Hampton made it 27-7 with an 8 yard run.

Go Giants!
---
          Larry Simmons                        larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology        ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine   ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cardinals
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:56:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.96454
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov4.003701.4743@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dallas is the only team with a winning record
>that hasn't lost to a team with a losing record.
I dont think you got this fact right
The EAGLES have lost to KC(then 3-3) and skins(then 4-2) and
of course now DALLAS. none of them had losing records.
>
>Gordon

-Rajeev
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:36:43 GMT

In article <BxA1Mz.5J5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.222403.20453@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu 
> 	(Nitin Khanna) writes...
> >>In article <1992Nov3.183621.16095@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
> 	iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
> 
> >> Miami in first but you can look at it another way.  The Bills play the Fish
> >> on MNF.  As long as they both win or both lose, the teams will be tied.  So no
> >> matter who has the official tiebreaker now, the winner of that game will be   
> >> in sole possession of 1st place.  Until then, each team can consider itself
> >> in "1st" place because they each control their own destiny.
> 
> >This is warped thinking and strange logic; even for rsfp. 
> 
> I had to do a double-take on this myself, but it made sense.  Allow me to
> explain ("clarify" is actually a better word):
> 
> As long as the Dolphins and Bills either both win *their next game*, or both
> *lose* their next game--they will be tied heading into the rematch November 16.


Lemme see;  Imran says that each team can "consider" itself in
first place until Nov. 16.  Now I always thought that either a
team was in first or not.  Secondly what you said is not necessarily
correct.  If Buffalo wins next week they are 7-2.  If Miami
loses next week they are 6-3. If then Miami beats Buffalo in
Miami they are 7-3 as are the Bills.  However, now the Dolphins
hold the tiebreaker.  So both teams do not both have to win
or have to lose the next game.  Dolphins could lose and still
hold the tiebreaker edge.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: John Offerdahl
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:35:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bx92C2.7C6@encore.com>, tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen) writes:
> I wrote yesterday that the paper had indicated that John Offerdahl
> my be placed on IR.  The paper today states that he was not put on
> IR but he is doubtful for this Sundays game.
> 
> Ted

   IMHO, he is getting ready for the rematch, Nov. 16. This is THE GAME
for the Dolphins so far this year, and will probably be the most important
one for the Bills and Dolphins for the rest of the regular season. There
will be big games left on their schedules but a loss on Nov. 16 means prob-
bable road trips in the first round of the play offs ( if the team makes
the play offs).
                          -doug THE dolfan-
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Importance of a powerful running game
Date: 3 Nov 92 21:51:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Nov02.180114.957@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.150533.20954@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>>meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes) writes:
>			.
>			.
>			.
>>>Was there ever a team winning a big one without a powerful running game?
>			.
>			.
>			.
>		[various good examples]
>>    After that you have to go all the way back to the '74 Vikings to find
>>another 'not dominating' running game in the SB. They put up 1856 rushing
>>yards that year...
>How do you rate the '85 Pats, or the various
>Bronco Super Bowl teams?
>			.
>			.
>			.
>-- 
>
>Cameron Laird
>claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
>claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546

The '85 Pats had a 1000 yard rusher (the other guy from SMU w Dickerson)

Ted

-- 
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