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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: What's the fuss about Sunday sales?
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:44:25 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

The blue laws are almost all gone. Everyone is open Sunday except the
government and the liquor stores. We still have high unemployment. I
don't see the unions howling about working Sundays. Who is it exactly
who is being protected here? Surely small liquor store owners aren't
the main voting block. I have some sympathy, but legally, they aren't
in any different position than the small shoe store owner or small 
clothing store owner who are not protected from Sunday sales.
   I suspect the reasons ARE religious. 
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From: ede@porter.osf.org (Ted Ede)
Subject: Re: Logan Airport Parking Garage
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:42:54 GMT

In article <Bz89Dp.81D@world.std.com> grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) writes:

>The only horror I've encountered is the hassle you get from the cops if
>you try to wait for your party at the curbside.

Hell, they've hassled me when I was loading luggage.  As I arrived I
saw my dad, double parked, and by the time I made it to my trunk I had
a state trooper in my face.  

I think that constant expose to carbon monixide has killed any brain
cells that the state police academy failed to remove.  Of course, I'm
sure that Logan Duty is not reservered for the best and brightest of the
force.

As someone else pointed out, waiting on the upper depature level is a
good bet.

  Ted Ede -- ted@world.std.com -- on contract at the Open Software Foundation
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From: jfc@world.std.com (Jonathan F Carpenter)
Subject: Re: W. MA art museum info wanted
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:59:07 GMT

bsmith@osf.org () writes:

>I have heard there is a wonderful, perhaps small, art museum in western
>Massachusetts. Williamstown? Anyone have a clue? I just can't remember any
>more than that.

>Bruce Smith
>bsmith@osf.org

The Sterling and Francine Clark Art Institute is located in Williamstown.
It has many paintings by well-known authors such as Renoir, Degas, Gaugin,
and Winslow Homer.

I believe that they are open every day except Monday, and there is no
admission fee.  To get there, just take Route 2 from Boston all the way
to Williamstown center, then follow the sign and go 270 degrees around a
rotary onto South St.  If you've never driven Route 2 all the way to
Williamstown before, I would do it during the day since there are some
spectacular views (and probably right now lots of snow) once you get in
Berkshire county.

During the summer, there are also many other events going on in Williamstown,
which you could make a whole weekend out of.  The Williamstown Theatre
Festival, called the best summer theatre in the country, plays to sold
out crowds.  Williams College also has a nice art museum (open year round).
In other parts of Berkshire county during the summer you can find
Tanglewood, Jacob's Pillow, and the Berkshire Theatre Festival.

--Jon Carpenter    (a Williamstown native)
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:56:32 GMT

betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

>I don't beleive this board could get an employee's job back. Even if
>they did manage, the employee would get fired again on some pretext or
>the boss would make their life hell.

Well based on what others here have said, there are cases where one 
can win their job back if it is determined that they lost the job
illegitimately.  As you say, though, things would be pretty rough for
you once you got back there.  I, for one, would rather hunt for a new
job than go back to that environment, unless I had absolutely no choice.
-- 
heiser@world.std.com
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: re: "NE" prefix
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:05:19 GMT

Subject: Re: ne...
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates

>In the referenced article dulcinea@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shaene Steinauer) writes:
><Shouldn't NE stand for Nebraska, not North East United States?
>>If not, where do I find Nebraska listings?  (besides University postings)
x
Hey, the tag for Nebraska ought to be CH, 
for corn huskers :=)
( Well, it could be worse, what if we called you expatriated Okies?)
x
x


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
	<HROSE.92Dec15171338@rocza.eff.org> <listreINN7kq@news.bbn.com>
	<SPIKE.92Dec16185003@world.std.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:56:23 GMT


Re: all the problems of running trolleys/subways all night.

Sounds like most of the problems are solved if they just ran a few
parallel bus runs instead.

I think the claim that this has to be optimized to almost zero cost is
specious anyhow, I think it's important. No doubt the taxi people will
howl tho.


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From: wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman)
Subject: Re: Logan Airport Parking Garage
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:08:37 GMT

In article <BzAE8B.I92@world.std.com> grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.195433.3654@bass.lkw.com> brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid) writes:
>>Consider flying to Hartford, CT or Manchester, NH if you'd
>>like a smaller airport, no parking hassles and no driving
>>into Logan hassles.
>
>At the Manchester airport, parking is $0.50/hour in the short-term lot and
>$4.50/day in the long-term lot. Both lots are less than 100 feet from
>the terminal building, less than 200 feet from the ticket counters and
>baggage claim!
>

And almost 2 hour drive from Boston!  Considering this, gas, tolls, and
convenience I'll go to Logan any day.  Worcester airport might be an option
for me.  Anybody knows if plane tickets are the same in price to fly to Logan
as to Worcester, Manchaster or Hartford?


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
	<HROSE.92Dec15171338@rocza.eff.org> <1glr2uINN7q@early-bird.think.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:32:07 GMT


>Maybe this is just because of the unions, but why should they get double
>wages?

WHO CARES? GIVE THEM DOUBLE WAGES!

How much could it be?

Would they ever be paid as much as Billy Bulger or his in-laws? NO!

Make Bulger drive the damn buses around in the wee hours, he can sleep
when he always sleeps, in the state house during the day.

-- 
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From: spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Software Tool & Die
	<1992Dec13.211101.3176@unixland.natick.ma.us>
	<1992Dec14.150628.4550@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:44:07 GMT

In the referenced article glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
<Which would seem to imply that the seperation of the church and state was a
>relatively recent idea. It's in  the Constitution!

	Well in the Bill Of Rights anyway.  Some of these laws
probably predate the Constitution and the First Amendment.

->Spike
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:54:01 GMT

This thread is titled "Sunday Liquor Sales".  However most, if not all
of the articles I've read so far have concerned sales of "anything" in
stores on Sundays.

LOTS of stores are allowed to be open on Sunday now.  And I don't mean
this "few weeks before Christmas" stuff either ... I mean all year long.
Why should liquor stores be treated any differently?

-- 
heiser@world.std.com
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
	<BZS.92Dec14230025@world.std.com>
	<1992Dec15.164336.27788@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:18:16 GMT


From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) [responding to me]
>>I mean, hey, the bible says thou shalt not kill, but I'm not sure we
>>should legalize murder just for the sake of separation of church and
>>state...!
>This has to be the single worst argument I've seen in years

Thank you, that has to be some sort of accomplishment.

>Do you really think that allowing (not mandating, allowing) stores to stay
>open on Sunday is comprable to allowing murder?

No, I just don't think that the mere fact that Blue Laws originally
deriving from a religious motivation makes them a priori and ipso
facto a BAD idea, which is what was being claimed. The concept can
still be examined on its own merit, just as murder is probably a bad
idea (lawyers and most legislators who are also lawyers anyhow
excepted) regardless of whether or not we happen to subscribe to the
ten commandments or similar.

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From: sukumar@bikila.East.Sun.COM (Sukumar Ramanathan - Computervision Account Manager)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Recommendations for speech therapists?
Keywords: speech therapy, stuttering, Boston/Rte 128 area
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:23:11 GMT
Reply-To: sukumar@bikila.East.Sun.COM
Distribution: ne
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bikila.east.sun.com

A friend of mine who has moved recently to Cambridge is looking for
recommendations for good speech therapists in the Boston/ Rte 128 area.
She is specifically looking for therapists/programs that are
directed towards stuttering.

What would the approximate cost per hour or for an entire program be?
Where would she begin looking? Are there any sourcebooks or information
groups that people know of?

Any help appreciated! 

 
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Sun Microsystems
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(617) 259 2216
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:48:47 GMT

bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>Actually, I'd trade keeping them closed on Sundays for not being able
>to sell after (what is it) 11PM on other days. And the bar closing
>hours which are like 1AM and you have to be out by 2AM?
>That's what seems nuts to me, there's no real argument for that.

Yeah.  More old-fashioned religion-based law-making at work...

>And how about a city which lets you drink later than it runs its
>public transit (mostly shut down by 12-12:30AM) and then wrings its
>collective hands about drinking and driving?

I agree completely on this.  However the flip side:  Would you *really*
dare ride the subway at 3am?  How about other cities?  How late does the
subway run in Manhatten?  Woudl you dare ride it at 3am?

One thing that I think is an *outstanding* idea is the following ... in
some cities, night clubs stop serving alcohol at a specific hour (some
arbitrary hour...) ... but they stay open for some time after that.  i.e.
maybe stopping serving at 2am, yet staying open until, say, 4 or 5.   This
gives people a while to let the alcohol wear off a bit before venturing
outside.


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:05:28 GMT


>The NYC subway may not be perfectly safe, and it is wise to take 
>precautions if you are elderly, an out-of-towner, or have "target"
>written all over you.

Yeah, whatever you do never write "target" all over yourself, it's a
dead give away.

Every city of size (sounds kinda PC huh) has its problems and
advantages. I was in London not long ago and rushed out because the
whole tube shut down for a bomb scare, it was the day after a major
blast so it wasn't like you take these things lightly. Not sure which
danger I prefer.

The main thing that makes Boston appear "safe" is the stunningly
efficient segregation of neighborhoods and social classes. There's
little doubt that if your main experience with the MBTA is the green
line between Park and Cleveland Circle (etc) that you'd think it's
kinda safe and unthreatening (I'm obviously making some assumptions
about the readers here.)

I suspect that when people from places like Boston or Missouri say
that they feel "safer" on their transit systems than in NYC what they
really mean is "the faces are all white on the routes they ever have
to take", sort of a coded message with probably little reality.

Sad but I think it's true, at least somewhat. People from the
provinces aren't really accustomed to big city integration and it
makes them nervous and causes their imagination to run wild: omigod
Martha, is that man speaking SPANISH!

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From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:28:14 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>In article <15Dec92041802@miracle.com> phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>|bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>|>[A long attempt at a line-by-line flame of me, I'd give it a C+]
>|
>|When you resort to a public attack by flaming me, all it shows is your closed
>|mindedness towards the subject.  
>
>Perhaps you should read what he said for content.  Most of his posting
>was useful instruction on facts, which you seem to have missed.  His
>use of sarcasm perhaps distracted you a bit.

I did read his posting for facts.  There were a few interlaced amongst the
flames.  Barry lost all credibility when he resorted to a flame attack, so
I don't see any need to respond to him anymore.

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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <BZS.92Dec14224127@world.std.com> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
>>To those of us who work long days, or work & go to school, or <insert
>>your favorite keep-you-busy activity here>, it is difficult to get anything
>>done with everything closed on Sunday and many things open only a part-day
>>on Saturday.  Back when I had a schedule that had weekdays off and I 
>>worked weekends, I had MUCH more flexibility in getting things done
>>(i.e. I could do things when businesses were open).
>
>But Bill, what good is that gonna do when YOUR employer demands you
>come in on Sunday?

It means that Bill will probably have one or more weekdays off, and will
be able to perform his errands then.  Sunday business or no, we'll still have
the forty-hour law.  Forcing businesses to close on Sundays discriminates
against those who would rather take off on other days of the week.  This is
particularly hard on orthodox jews, whose sabbath is Saturday, but it applies
to anyone who would rather take any day other than Sunday off, for whatever
reason they may have.

  - Dave
    borden@m5.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: What's the fuss about Sunday sales?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:23:15 GMT

betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>in any different position than the small shoe store owner or small 
>clothing store owner who are not protected from Sunday sales.
>   I suspect the reasons ARE religious. 

Yeah, and that is precisely the reason those laws should be dropped.

-- 
heiser@world.std.com
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From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<HROSE.92Dec15171338@rocza.eff.org> <1glr2uINN7q@early-bird.think.com>
	<HROSE.92Dec15200301@rocza.eff.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:03:42 GMT

Sean Colbath <sean@think.com> said:

 > etc, etc, etc. This, for Boston, who has the lowest subway fare of any
 > major city in the country. How much does the NYC Subway cost nowadays?

FYI, San Francisco charges 85 cents per ride, but you get a transfer
which is good for two more rides within the next 90 minutes. I'd say
that's a pretty good deal compared to the T (pay just one fare even if
you take a bus, transfer to a trolley, and then another bus to your
final destination -- or, if you're running a quick errand, and can get
to your destination in one hop, you only pay one fare for the
round-trip), although the MBTA subways cover a larger geographical area
than San Francisco MUNI. MUNI also has the afore-mentioned "Night Owl"
service on the main artery trolley and bus lines, at about one-third the
normal day service frequency.

--
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:58:25 GMT
	<1992Dec10.231836.19699@unixland.natick.ma.us>
	<9212102333.26@rmkhome.UUCP>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <9212102333.26@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>The Massachusetts State Labor Board is for anyone who is an hourly wage
>worker.  There isn't any involvement with the courts.  And if there is a
>legitimate complaint, they will move very quickly.

It's no good for people at small businesses if 
a) nobody knows about it and
b) the boss lies. 

I've worked a lot of crummy jobs. I've been fired from several crummy
jobs. I'm sure that if an employee made it to this board, the  board
would get told the employee was fired for coming in late, being
sloppy, bad language, or any other sort of lie that would work. 
I don't beleive this board could get an employee's job back. Even if
they did manage, the employee would get fired again on some pretext or
the boss would make their life hell.
   You are kidding yourself if you think that low-wage workers are
protected from ANYthing in this market. Sexual abuse, maybe, because
it is in the news a lot and an employee *could* get the media to
listen if they told a dramatic story. 
  I don't beleive that, in practice, small employers NEED a cause to
fire hourly workers. Maybe they SHOULD, maybe they SHOULDN't but in
practice you can be fired for anything, without notice. 
 If you think this isn't true, go get any job serving donuts or
shipping boxes or washing floors  or working an assembly line. I've
done all these jobs, and the only fight I ever won was getting paid
time-and-a-half for overtime for one week...
  You know, the thing that puzzled me the most was when I worked in a
large-ish factory and the workers BOASTED of how they had discovered,
and thrown out, two union organizers. This was a factory where, on a
pretext, the bosses had cut annual raises to 0-to.25 an hour, many
workers getting an insulting 5-cent raise, and where workers ate lead
dust and breathed fiberglass and refused to wear safety glasses. It
took me a long time to understand all this.


  
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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvad.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Dec16.045326.22817@unixland.natick.ma.us> bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

>           But this is the same society in which able-bodied people
>*choose* not to work because they can get away with living on welfare.
>This is far from the original topic, but I once knew a woman (actually
>a friend of a friend) who *intentionally* got pregnant when her child
>was about to the age where she would stop getting welfare benefits, so
>that she could continue to get the benefits!

I once posted something about this sort of thing on another newsgroup,
and people jumped all over me for it.  Now we have a real example.  I
have no doubt that this sort of thing is rare, but those who support
human services (like me) would have a better time trying to win support
if they would admit that abuses of the system do occur.  Then, you can
work from there to make the system better.

   - Dave Borden
     borden@m5.harvard.edu
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