From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:59:25 GMT

In <5034@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

" >
" >   I do not know whether he really was the spokesman at that time, but
" >I had a personal experience with him (I do not feel like opening my
" >personal files in public, so who trust me can take my word for it,)

" According to your last article you said:

"    Dr. Arabyyat (Dr. Carts) is not even the spokesman of the Brotherhood
"  			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
" in Jordan; in fact, I wonder why they keep him as a member there, probably,

   The auxiliary verb 'is' refers to the present. According to my knowledge
about this, the spokesman died a few months ago, and they appointed a new
one, I do not remember his name (Ibrahim Khraisat?) but he is definitely
not Dr. Carts.

" I didn't ask you to "open your personal files in public".  I just wanted
" a reconfirmation to support what you previously stated as the true.  It
" is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about and are using
" this as a way of trying to contradict what I wrote.

  Really?

" >or the creatures. You may want to learn how to evaluate people
" >objectively, even if they claim that they are the inheritors of the
" >Prophet (as it is the current satus quo.)

" He NEVER said that he was "the inheritors of the Prophet"!  My God --
" were is your mind?!  What is the purpose of bring this into the issue?  I

   What do the Brotherhood claim they are? And aren't "al`ulamaa' warathatu
al-'anbiyaa'"? Ba`dain?

" don't want to evaluate him because the sources of information that I
" provided and his position on the issue are accurate and legitimate to the
" original posting!  I don't care whether you like him or not, Nabeel.  I

   You don't have to, but you should.

" think you should stick to the issue and not what you care to throw in as a
" way of offsetting it.

" >   The cause of this statement is that you can not decide whether
" >you want to believe the Kuwaiti propaganda or the facts found out
" >later. Even if they actually raped, I'll bet the rape rate was
" >lower than it was before and after the invasion; consult with human
" >right files, Shaqeeqa.

" I am not referring to Kuwaiti Propoganda.  Yes, I do KNOW that it existed
" as a way of obtaining U.S. support for the invasion of Kuwait.  But there
" still exists the fact that women (and men TOO) were raped by Iraqi soldiers

    Do you stand witness to that before God?

" during the Gulf War.  Rape is rape, Nabeel.  There is ABSOLUTELY NO
" JUSTIFICATION OR EXCUSE for this dehumanizing act of power and control over
" innocent human beings!  YOU NEED to read the human rights reports, Nabeel!
"
   The Prophet once said, the one who commits adultery, someone commits
it to him even to his wall, or as he said. The one who violates people,
God sends others to violate him. That is if the Iraqis, according to you,
really violated Kuwaitis according to Iraqi leadership commands. I just
do not believe that the Iraqi leadership told the soldiers to rape Kuwaitis,
because if they did, you would not find any intact Kuwaiti citizen,
except those who imitated the military--fled.

" >   As if I need excuses to flame whoever the hell I damned well wanted
" >to flame. Do you call this a flame? If I actually flamed you probably
" >you would accuse me of physical violence against women!

" I seriously believe that you need good psychiatric help.  I honestly do

   Do you recommend anyone? (I can't pay fat bills, I am no Kuwaiti after
all.)

" not mean this as an insult, but there is definitely something not right
" with the way that you function, Nabeel.

   How about a vote on that? This is the Arabic style of argument. Your
enemy is sick, kafir, idiot, ignorant, liar, etc. You are almost perfect,
angel, knowledgable, reliable, etc. I like that. But, behold, I do not
like to use it in wrong places.

" Salamtak -

   Amen!

" Anisa

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