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From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:30:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.163402.9699@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
#I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
#bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
#write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
#the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layed-off for any reason, 
#we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
#jobs for life!
#

I know that Kreuger is just excersizing his feeble wit, but
I wonder how many people who claim that there is no reason for
anti-discrimination legislation would be willing to write such
letters in the absence of that legislation.  

Susan


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From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:20:25 GMT
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In article <1jm9a2INNfg9@transfer.stratus.com> Mark Christensen,
markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com writes:
>Here in Massachusetts (liberal state as it is), a court ruling was recently
>made ALLOWING a landlord to NOT rent to a couple because they were not 
>married and the landlord has a religious conviction about such
>relationships.  This is as it should be.  If I own a business or rental
>property, I should be able to do with it as I see fit.  If I choose to
>hire only black females of Swahili origin, that is my business.  If I choose
>to rent to impoverished white blue collar males from Norway, that's my
>business, not the state's.  

Isn't this the ruling that applied to the "resident landlord" that was
renting out a room in their own home?  Most antidiscrimination statutes
specifically exclude such situations, and rightly so.

Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()

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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: How to get Complete Text, Injunction against Am #2
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:31:14 GMT
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Hi.  For anyone who has been curious to read the entire ruling
on the injunction against Amendment 2, I found it, in its entirety,
at NIFTY!  If you want a copy, just ftp to nifty.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.35.7).  It's in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado.

If you aren't too familiar with ftp'ing, just type the following 
commands: 
  
[first:]                      ftp 128.2.35.7
[then at ftp prompt type:]    login anonymous
[at password prompt:]         (type in your email address here)
[once logged on:]             cd /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado
[then:]                       get injuction.transcript

[when done:]                  quit


If the "get" command doesn't work for you, try "recv" or "receive."

-maria
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: lift ban on military for gay
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:32:04 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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Keywords: gay

In article <7wq3bbr@rpi.edu>, leus@aix.rpi.edu (Sheua-Wan Leu) writes:
|> Is the gay issue more important than domestic recession problems for 
|> Mr. Clinton ? 
|> 
|> 
I doubt it.  The military ban on gays issue has been receiving a lot
of attention in the press, but I'm sure that it occupies only a
fraction of Mr. Clinton's day.  Meetings about the economy have been
going on for years, and thus aren't nearly as interesting news
material and some of the recent meetings concerning lifting the ban.

The gay issue is one where he can effect a lot of change with a few
quick actions.  When dealing with something as large as the American
economy, there are few actions that will have an immediate effect.
And because it is difficult to undo the damage of bad economic
actions, more deliberation in the policy formulation process is
warranted.

Mark
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:28:31 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1jpk1iINNfhh@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>> With regard to your recent question to Tim Pierce, "What is sexual
>> immorality?", this is quite easy to answer:
>> 
>> Something is sexually immoral if not all parties involved do or can
>> give informed consent. Thus bestiality, child molestation, necrophilia,
>> and rape are all sexually immoral.
>> 
>> Homosexuality between consenting adults does NOT fall into this category.
>
>And from a legal/legislative point of view, I'm with you 100% here.  
>Homosexuality should not be illegal, while the other things should be. 

    OK so far.  Of course, being homosexual isn't illegal.  Since you agree
with Brian "from a legal...point of view", does that mean you also feel
that gay marriage shouldn't be illegal?
-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:42:50 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: NCSU

In article <C1E1nB.3J4.1@cs.cmu.edu> 
garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

>> I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
>> bonified minority with special rights.  
>> ^^^^^^^^

> I know that Kreuger is just excersizing 
>             ^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^

I think Susan Garvin's misspelling of "exercising" and "Krueger"
is at least as funny as Ted Krueger's misspelling of "bona fide".  
Is anyone keeping score on this thread??   Do I win a prize??!! 
... huh, huh??... yuk yuk... (note intentional misspelling of "yuk").


>Susan


---
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'finger dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu' for documentation which shows that 
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From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Speaking of the AntiCatholic thing
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:28:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174538.1829@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan25.041222.16631@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>]shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>]] 
>]] Yup.  I don't know how well you know your history, but
>]] there's a strong tradition of American anti-Catholicism.
>]] Before and during the first year or so of the War Between
>]] the States there were anti-Catholic riots in many major
>]] American cities (part and parcel of general anti-foreigner
>]] sentiment).  As a result, the very first civil rights laws
>]] covered race, religion, creed, and national origin.

yes.  this is an issue in my family.  my grandfather
suffered anti-catholic and anti-italian persecution.  
he had a cross burned on his lawn by the kkk when he 
was a kid (about 12) for being a papist.  it's one of
those things that you never forget, and he made sure 
that all his kids and grandkids knew about this, so
we wouldn't be bigots.  

>But not Catholicism per-se.
>]
geez, anti-papist shit sounds like anti-catholicism to
me.  

>]The Other Amusing part is that folks seem to
>]forget that a part of the struggle against
>]JFK had to do with his being a Roman Catholic,
>]and HENCE of Questionable Loyalty, should he
>]be elected to Presidency.
>
>I haven't forgotten that. There was the question: would he give his
>first loyalty to the country or the pope. Of course, anyone who knows
>anything about catholicism realizes how silly the question was.
>
aren't you being a bit naive?  most people who know very
little about catholicism know better, too.  (like anglicans,
who follow the archbishop of cantebury).  that was the 
*excuse*.  the silliness of the question posed by people
who knew better should show you that this was anti-catholicism
hiding behind a seemingly serious question.  

a lot of people don't like catholics, you know.  

>]But I guess that was a long time ago, and folks
>]sort of forget that the KKK was still ranting 
>]about the Catholic Threat.... as well as the
>]Jewish Threat, and the Black threat....
>
>But so what. The KKK still rants about that.
>
bzzzzzt.  wrong.  strangely enough, today, the kkk is 
soemthing like 20% catholic (according to the grand
dragon or whatever he's called i saw on geraldo this
past summer.  in fact, *he's* catholic!  next, they'll
start recruiting jews....)

>No, the Catholics are supporting the Rights of persons who have
>yet to be born.

and gladly discriminating against those that already 
have been -- queers.  

peg

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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:37:51 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <107986@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>In article <1jpc0rINNbvu@hp-col.col.hp.com>
>smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>
>>Re-stated, what do the homosexual posters here think about laws 
>>against besiality?  Is it OK?  Should it be illegal?   
>
>With regard to your recent question to Tim Pierce, "What is sexual
>immorality?", this is quite easy to answer:
>
>Something is sexually immoral if not all parties involved do or can
>give informed consent. Thus bestiality, child molestation, necrophilia,
>and rape are all sexually immoral.
>
>Homosexuality between consenting adults does NOT fall into this category.

    I couldn't have stated it any better.

    Walter, you asked; how do you respond?


-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Pick and Choose? (was  Re: God is intolerant of sin!)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:21:37 GMT

In article <1jphdeINNe72@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>Plenty of people find homosexuality 
>objectionable without religious motivation at all; just on the 
>basis of being ... (to them) physically revolting.  

(For your sake, Walter, I've dropped the strawman from your argument.)

Plenty of Americans also find such things as fingerbowls, eating
snails, and giving small quantities of alcohol to children at the
dinner table physically revolting.  All of which contribute to the
reputation of the intolerant, xenophobic ("oh, what's that supposed to
mean?  That we're *afraid* of foreigners??  Duh, I don't think so!!"),
isolationist "ugly American."

Hopefully, the tide will generally begin to turn soon, but I lay no
money on it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman)
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
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In article <1993Jan21.163402.9699@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Ted Krueger,
krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu writes:
>I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
>bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
>write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
>the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layedoff for any reason, 
>we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
>jobs for life!

Is it possible that you are truly so ignorant of the nature of
antidiscrimination law?  To do as you say, you must =prove= that your boss
has fired you =because= you were gay.  If you are going to be scared of
something, at least find something with a basis in reality.

Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()

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From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:40:10 GMT

In article <1jv6feINNbt5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.163402.9699@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
>>bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
>>write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
>>the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layed-off for any reason, 
>>we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
>>jobs for life!
>
>Actually, Ted, this isn't a bad idea. That way, assholes like you (and only 
>assholes like you would try to pull a stunt like this) would understand how 
>it feels to be a homosexual in today's workplace, constantly having to act 
>like something you aren't in order to hold your job. 
>
>After all, once you've "come out of the closet", you could never make -any-
>kind of reference to being straight ever again, could you? You'd have to lie,
>and pretend to be gay, and pretend to be indignant when someone says a -really
>funny- joke about AIDS, and you'd have to pretend to be 'between boyfriends',
>and generally have to repress your own personal beliefs because you don't want
>to lose your job. 
>
>Although, Ted, the boss could probably fire someone like -you- anyway. After
>all, it's perfectly legal to fire someone if they act like an asshole at work.
>               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

Do you really think that he has the courage (read "balls") to put up with a
life like this?

--Frank
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Read this if you are straight!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layed-off for any reason, 
we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
jobs for life!

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
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From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin)
Subject: RE:All this stuff about God (Christopher K Merril)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:54:30 GMT

=====

>>I am not a Christian myself, but I have e-talked to one homosexual who is on
this bulletin board.  It seems that he has a far better understanding of why
Christianity is such a powerful theological belief system than most
fundamentalists. He sees that it is a religion of love, not hatred.  When you
talk to people on this net, treat them as such. I'm guilty of berating people
privately via email replies, but some of you actually post the slurs.  What I
have done at times to try to convince people to see this whole issue in a
different light is inexcusable in that I lectured at them as if I were some
superior being. Its not true. No one here is better than anyone else. We all just
have different opinions. You can't change someone through hatred, denegration,
and logic. Its far better to be civil and discuss, instead of argue.  Its almost
painful to read at times. Well, hopefully, some of you will respond to this
letter and tell me what you think should be done about the way people conduct 
themselves around here. I'm worried because being self-righteous and refusing
to listen is a trap that's all to easy to fall into and will be counterproductive
to achieving our goal of finding some mutual ground to discuss this issue like
adults. Come on. I shouldn't have to tell you all this. I'm 18. some of you
people are in your late 30's. This should be ingrained by now. Tell me what you
all think, of course, given the way things go around here, I doubt that will be
a problem.


=====

BRAVO!

TOM HAS GROWN INTOLERANT OF RE: GOD IS INTOLERANT OF SIN! PRATTLE.

If you must argue, do it amongst yourselves!


Now, knock it off.

Tom Carlin


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From: cjk@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HATE CRIMES
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:59:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.204826.13927@bsu-ucs> 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>	Murder is murder.
>
>	Indeed it is.  But the bottom-line is:  We, those of us who live in
>America, live in a society who's justice system has leels of intesity.
>That's why criminals go to court for two reasons: to determine guilt and to
>determine the sentencing.  A mass murderer is by far in need of a heavier
>sentence than that of someone who murdered once for drunken driving.
>
>	Likewise, we get into the discussion of whether or not hate crimes
>should be treated greater than other murders and crimes or less or equally. 
>Maybe this will help you guys see *my* point of view:
>
>	Man A kills Man C during a routine robbery.  Man B kills Man C solely
>because Man B exists.  Man A could be any ole Joe on the street who is down o
>their luck... Man C can be comparable to the likes of Hitler... Stalin...
>kdafi.... Hussein....
>
>	Situation B leads to Genocide... situation A does not...
>so which is worse?  Ask yourself that....
>brandon

This may be a little esoteric--But why is Lady Justice pictured with a 
blind fold on?  If a poor man kills a man for his money, should he be
treated less severly than a rich man?  What is a hate crime?  Didn't the
poor man hate the rich man for his money?  I think its called
situational ethics.

cjk@netcom.com


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From: rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:20:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.163402.9699@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>I just had an idea!  Let's all lobby to get gays recognized as a 
>bonified minority with special rights.  Then, after the laws  get passed, 
>write open letters to our bosses stating that we are coming out of 
>the closet.  Afterward, if we get fired or layed-off for any reason, 
>we can just claim homophobia and discrimination.  We will keep our 
>jobs for life!

Never mind that you just don't get the point of laws prohibiting
discrimination.  Never mind the fact that the only "special" right being
sought is the right not to be denied or lose a job or housing by reason
of being non-straight.

Start using a dictionary when you write or you'll look like an even
bigger fool.  Gay men may be a bonified minority, but the phrase you
want is "bona fide".  It means "good faith", and it has four syllables,
not three, when spoken by an educated person.

--Rich
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From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Read this if you are Ted Krueger!
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:13:17 GMT
Reply-To: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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I just had an idea!  Let's all chip in to get Ted Krueger a dictionary. 
Maybe we could hire someone to help him with the hard words, the ones
that liberals use, words like "bona fide."  Afterward, when he gets fired
or laid off, or even layed-off, he'll have lots of time to browse through 
it and maybe learn a thing or two about writing coherent English prose.  He
could keep this knowledge for life!
-- 
    "The biggest problem with reading [Usenet] is there is so much and it 
is all so interesting.  It is easy to be enamored with it.  Be selective
about which groups you read.  It could mean your job, your family, or your
college career."  --Ed Krol, _The Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog_
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