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From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: TO: Byungtae ----------  RE: YS SHOULD not BE QUALIFIED
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:05:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



I appreciate your sharing time.

I am willing to accept your suggestion,  COOLING TIME,   even if

I have  pretty much more things to respond to your opinions.

I agree with discussions will go out of rationality if we are

out of control.


PS:  I may post soon my diagnostics on the election in diffrent ways
     from yours.


                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                    Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
                    Industrial Engineering Department
                    MJ03@Lehigh.edu
From: citew@menudo.uh.edu (Seung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:56:21 -0600
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu

In article <Dec.28.12.35.05.1992.16249@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> ...
> ... all the stupid junks,  deleted ...

AAUGGGGG !!!
Whenever I see this kind of stupid jerk,  I lose my temper.
Most stupid one I've ever seen!
Yuk !
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:38:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


From: sl26@ellis.uchicago.edu (sangjin  lee)

>Sadly enough, in my opinion I don't think many good things lie ahead.

>(1) Fate of the Opposition group formerly centered at the Democratic Party:
>Still, DJ's role is very crucial in this process. Not that he deserves it,
>but still he has the influence on the Democrats(money, people, etc.)
>without regard to his disappearance from the front.

>(2) Cleared path for DLP:

>What next? Their long-anticipated dream. The parliamentary government
>system. That was the major goal when the three parties merged three years
>ago. Did they abandon that idea? Not at all. Rather, it was endorsed by the
>'people'. The people clearly showed that they have no desire to change the
>ruling party no matter what they do. 

   It's so funny to me that still many people view Korean politics as battle
   between "evils" and "angels" even after so much disappointment.

   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
   idea when he was threatened by TaeJoon Park when he bid this for his staying
   in DLP. What made you think this scenario? 
   Let's be more fair.  


ps: This is purely my private projection.
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:this is wamer.  SKIP, unless you have WARM HEARTS.
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:32:29 GMT

>from: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
Organization: Lehigh University




----------- Enough is enuff  ------------------------

            Who said it ?        I like it.




 Bo Jackson knows everything.   I saw him laughing in the corner yesterday.
                                Only he knows it.


 BTW,  Happy New Year and Wish All the Best to you and all others.


               Minho Jo, Lehigh University
               Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
               Industrial Engineering Department


My ultimate goal is to build, "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


 
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From: sysadm@worak.kaist.ac.kr (system admin)
Subject: Test Using MAIL2NEWS (ignore)
X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:22:36 KST
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:22:42 GMT


Please Ignore This.

Lee Sok Chan
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:05:34 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Freinds,

.

           My contact to this group is not for the mere showing of
friendship to the Hunguk(Thanks Han-Jung Kim) people. I have been friend
with Koreans for a long time now. I have a special interest in seeing
Ko-ryo to become whole once more. The interest is now at an all time
high intensity. Being Japanese I have
in repecting the other humans which is contrary to the ideas of those
stoopid silly basters of the past. I would like to know what the New
President's position on North Ko-ryo and Hanguk's reunification! Thank
you!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Anju (Was Re: bbong-jjak)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:38:16 GMT

In article <1h3njmINNihb@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>
>About the Best Anju for Soju,  ManMi-II at SinCheon was to said to have

Boy, do they still exist?  That name rings me some memories...

>best Anju for Soju in reasonable price, which I remember is fork rib.
>How it is prepared and cooked is their secret, so you have to figure out.

You probably don't want to know either.  That place was so dark you
wouldn't know what that black thing in your Anju was even with James' sober
eyes.  I remember I had more "Dong Dong Ju" rather than soju in that place.

>For quick preparation, IMHO, an instant noodle, called YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon
>was good.  When I was doing an undergraduate senior project, I used to
>stay late at graduate students' labs.  In late fall or winter, it was
>quite cold in the lab.  One or two cups of SoJu accompanied by the warm,
>hot and spicy YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon really made the whole environment
>more friendly and warmer (not to mention my body).  I still miss that time 
>( I am sure that anyone who were in that lab should remember this
> experience ). 

Lucky that you don't drink much.  Soju + SaBalMyeon combo will put some
holes in your stomach.

Soju goes well with any barbecue like Galbi, Bulgogi, Pork Galbi, Sam Kyeop
Sal, but my favorite is with Hwe (Sashmi).  Especially San Nak Ji...

Andy Kim
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:39:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.100424.27476@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>>Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?
>>

>I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
>according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
>and studing anatomy in penn.

You mean that pig who couldn't handle my flame is stuying anatomy in Penn?
I didn't know that Penn start to admit a pig in the school. 

Jung
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Political Prisoners
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:50:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Byungtae Lee) writes:
>   My logic are as follows:
>   If laws were become effective though legitimate means, and if
>   judiciary system have its own indepedence from dictatorship and so prisoners
>   were jailed by the proper trial, PP do not have the moral superiority as 
>   they did. 

While I agree that there was DUE PROCESS in the arrest of many prisoners
of conscience after 1987, the laws concerning political activity in
Korea are still unjust for a variety of reasons. Even
democracies can pass unjust laws. In the Southern US there were all
sorts of laws that were democratically created that unjustly persecuted Black
people for a very long time.

>2. Whether law is bad or not, outdated or not?
>    This judgement are very subjective. The reason why I challenged to netters
>    who are saying that Korean labor laws and the assembly and demonstrations 
>    are bad or not perfect is that those laws were written by democratically
>    elected congress and moreover, opposition outnumbered congress and 
...

The semi objective standard that can be used in determining whether or
not a law is just or not is whether it is in accord with the Universal
Human Rights Charter of the UN which Korea signed and with various
International Labor Organization statutes of which Korea is a member. 
The Constitution of Korea states that the government must abide by
International treaties and laws that it has committed to.

The National Security Law has provisions that have repeatedly been
abused which undermine the spirit and words of the Universal Human
Rights Charter, especially those concerning freedom of expression
and protection of basic human rights. The labor laws in Korea are also
problematic. In that respect, the National Security Law and Korean
Labor laws are unconstitutional. The parts which violate the Human
Rights Charter must be amended.
 
I'm not sure but I think that Amnesty International judges who is a
Prisoner of Conscience or not based upon whether or not the charges 
against the defendent violated the Universal Human Rights Charter.

-Hanhwe Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:49:45 GMT


In article <1992Dec26.032640.9167@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:	
> 
> One thing, YS has never refused parliamentary system, he refused to say
> 'I'll change the presidential system to parliamentary system' as a campaign
> word, which TJ insisted. So I don't think your arguement has 
> a very solid basis.
> 
> 
> >        Why does he want to change it?
> 
> Let's see. I'll bet he will.
> 

Let's foretell the future of Korean government system.

Both DJ and CY said in their campaigns that they will adopt parliamentary
system after their election as a president. And YS seemed not to deny the 
future possibility of parliamentary system. Why did say so? 

I can never think that they, especially DJ and CY, chose parliamentary system 
becuase of its suitability and efficiency or for the sake of nation. Rather, 
they mentioned that system to attract other political groups. If they had
confidence in election, they would have said against it. 

YS was not active in pursuing parliamentary system simply because he had
confidence. This is my observation. Is it far from the common opinion?

However, I think there is a possibility for YS either to adopt 
parliamentary system or to change the single-term limit of presidency in 
current constitution. The former will be pursued in case he could not get 
strong support from people three or four years later. If he bring some success 
to Korean economy or politics, I am pretty sure that he will pursue the change 
of current single-term limit so that he could get reelected as a president. 

This scenario would be the same for DJ and CY, though they seemed to be forced
more toward parliamentary system. If I were a president, I will do so. (So,
this is my opinion.) Because the 5-year single term presidency is
unreasonable for a nation. How did this strange rule come into our
Constitution? Was it not for Roh to get elected? (I was not in Korea in '87.)

Personally I prefer 4-year two-term presidential system. I hope he, next
president, could be able to do it according to the people's wish, which is
possible only when he did his job very well as a president.

If he did not good enough, he will pursue the parliamentary system to share
the power with other political groups. This I really hate to see.

Han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: bbong-jjak (trot) : which way should it go in order to make more .....
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:58:01 GMT

bbong-jjak (Trot), which way should it go in order to attract more people ?

* Good points of Trot :

1) Trot appeals to feeling from bottom of our heart.  This music is not
stalking to us as trivial or trifling sound.  So, the trot singers are
the best at an aspect of vocalism.  I think that, even though someone
doesn't like the trot, he cannot ignore it easily.

2) Strangely the trot fits for Korean.  If someone is an extreme Rock Mania,
he cannot resist there is at least one or two experiences for him to feel
very easy when he is listening trot.  In addition, if he is getting older and
older, that experience repeated more than his younger period.  I can't 
explain but trot is very suitable music field for Korean.

* Bad points of Trot :

1) Melody and rhythm are too monotonous.  Of course, it can be a good point
for someone because the word "monotonous" can be converted to "familiar".
However, this "familiar" thing makes the limitation of expansion of trot 
lovers.

2) It is almost impossible to invent the new trot of upper dimension.  
The attration of trot is the strictness of that structure.  So, it is not
easy to upgrade the trot while keeping nature trot "thing".

* How can the trot be more lucrative field of music?

1) Combination among the other fields of music.

Let me distinguish 'the combination between trot and the other' and
'convention of new dimention'.  

When I call 'convention of new dimention', that means the difference between
"I want to hold your hand" and "Hey Jude" both by Beatles.  Although an 
interval of time when two songs made is only 4 years, two songs are totally 
different each other, and the latter "Hey Jude" is more progressive than the 
former "I want to hold your hand".  I want to define that kind of difference
as "Convention".

The representative "Combination" I want to tell you, is Garth Brook's music.
He slightly seasons Rock with his country music.  Though it looks different
with original country, it is still country music.  However, that combination
is very fresh and sensational.

I think it is necessary for Korean trot to attempt to make this combination.
If the Korean Rock group like "Wild Chrysanthemum (?)" (Deul-Guk-Hwa) try to
make trot to be suitable for their musical circumstance, it'll be such a fresh
music.  I heard "Yoo Hyun Sang", ex-leader of group "Mt. Baek-Doo", sang trot.
I expected him to make the trot combined with his Rock and Trot, but I guess
it was too hard work for him to do it.  I think this work is an "uncovered
virgin soil" of Korean Pop Music.  New musician should appear for this.


P.S. : I don't want "Tae-Ji" to do this job.  They are a fake.
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:38:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:

>junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>> >I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
>> >according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
>> >and studing anatomy in penn.
>> 
>> You mean that pig who couldn't handle my flame is stuying anatomy in Penn?
>> I didn't know that Penn start to admit a pig in the school. 

>Too bad you got rejected over a pig.  Oink Oink!


I think I got the wrong pig, but I just want you pig to know that I
refused to go to Penn for Rutgers Univ. So don't you pig think that I
got rejected but choosed not to. Oink Oink!

>Hyunsuk Seung
>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu

Jung the pig.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Re: The 14th Korean Presidential Election
In-reply-to: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr's message of Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:21:27 GMT
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.112127.753@worak.kaist.ac.kr> jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong) writes:

>	      THE 14TH KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON-LINE REPORT
>  Current Time: 20:00KST
>
>  Current Status: POLL COMPLETED, COUNTING THE VOTES
>  80.4% of total eligible voter has voted.
>
>  Current Result: NOT ANY RESULT YET

Online result is available from baram.kaist.ac.kr.
Try telnet to port 92 of baram, or finger .election.

	telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92 (KSC-5601)
	finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr (romanized)

-uhhyung
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 27 Dec 92 05:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec27.055500.14538
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article 11347 of soc.culture.korean, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu
(Jung S. Lee) says, in part:


>Nettiquette is something arbitrary which is majority of people
>agree on. But you see that can prevent people from speaking out
>on something which most of you don't like to hear. Then how can
>one expect to furfill his right? When you give one right to do
>something, you give it all. If you give right to have abortion to
>people, you cannot say, "Well, you can have abortion but you have
>to have permission from your parents or your husband".

  and a bit later:

>It is one of highest law allows one speak what he feels and thinks of.

  and later yet:

>I have never thought that I would be free of what I said. But I prefer
>that than shutting up my mouth. Any advice is welcomed.

Well, Mr. Lee, I like your attitude.  You say what you want to say, and
you're willing the take heat for it from those who disagree.  I think 
your approach is far preferable to the "let's all be nice and not upset
each other" school of thought.  Personally, I'm sick of all these self-
appointed net police who think they have to tell the rest of us how to 
express ourselves according to their imagined rules.

One of the reasons we don't have a lot of formal government censorship in
this country is that we don't NEED to have it; most people seem to be
pretty good at censoring themselves, much to the detriment of all of us.

Keep talking, Mr. Lee.  Freedom is no good unless you exercise it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: Hanterm Fonts Install
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:44:44 GMT

corvett@csa.bu.edu (Sungyeup Kim) writes:
: Howdy?
: I'm tryiny to install hanterm on NCD-16.
: To install fonts , I have to be super user, but I can't.
: I asked to sys.admin, but no luck. =(
: So I want to know how to install fonts without being super user.
: I think there is the way to get around this, or trick or whatever.
: 
: Please somebody help me.
: Thanks for any input ! =)
: --

I am not sure what an NCD-16 is, so I will try to cover two different 
situations - A UNIX Workstation, and an X-Terminal.

For UNIX workstations, if you are not super-user or you have a villain
super-user at your site, you can place the fonts in your own sub-directory.
Just create a sub-directory in your home-dir, place the fonts in there,
and then type "mkfontdir". Then, whenever you start up X, you need to
specify this command: xset +fp font-directory-name
That changes the directories that X looks for fonts in. BTW, the directions
for installing HANTERM do include everything I just said.

If you are using just an X-terminal, then unfortunately you are out of luck
unless you are real nice to your sysadmin. It really involves the same process
as I described above, excpet the fonts have to be put in a system directory
that the X-terminal knows, and the X-terminal then has to be rebooted.

hope this helps.

-chris barrera     barrera@mtu.edu
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From: sds@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dong Sung Shin)
Subject: >Are there Korean Fonts for WordPerf 5.1 (vms or ibm version)?
Summary: Korean fonts, anyone?
Keywords: I want Korean Fonts!  : )
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:25:03 GMT


  Greetings, fellow Koreans!  :)

  Please respond to the following questions, if you can.  I will be
  greatly appreciated.  :)  Thank you, advancein advance.


    1). Are there Korean fonts for WordPerfect 5.1 (vms or ibm version)?
    2). Do Korean FTP sites have these fonts?
    3). Are the fonts commercial?

  
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From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Aftermath of election
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:48:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.85860
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election

Prez. is above the law??? Great!!!! I didn't know that. 
Was it why prez. Roh and his Minja Government BROKE the law?
Nice president and nice government! 
I didn't know the law system very much, but I heard that 
not observing that law is a violation of Korean constitution.
Actually, somebody sued prez. Roh and his Minja government and
somehow the court refused to judge by saying 'this is a political
problem'. If breaking 'Jibang Jachi' law can be president's previlege,
why didn't the court simply say it?  Does anybody know this?

But one thing is clear is, if a prez break a law, congress has 
the right to kick out the prez (Tanhaek Sochu), but Korean congress couldn't
because Minja, who is the 'absolute majority' actually supported
prez. Roh breaking the law. Yes, I think I'm living in a great country.  

Minja does not authority to execute the law, but Minja was the prez. Roh's side
on breaking the law and tried to justified why he had to break the law.
Remember, Prez. Roh and his Minja government were supposed to held
two elections BEFORE the end of JUNE.
Instead of observing the law, what they did was trying to 
change the law with their 'absolute majority' before the end of June.
That's why Democratic party tried to block it. 
Now you are blaming Democratic party not changing the law before the end of 
June, and by not changing the law, let prez. Roh and his Minja government 
breake the law.
Very clean and Nice LOGIC! I admit it you have a supurior LOGIC.
 
        
        Logic is Ligic.  Do not bring your personal emotion here.
        Don't you know that almost all countries give the head of country 
        such previlege including USA?  You do not need to be proud of or 
        ashamed by this.

        I do not need to point out problems of this thread. You must be 
        confused about "legal crime" with "political responsibility."

        If we follow your reasoning, even laymen who supported Roh or MINJA
        should have been jailed because they were on his side.

        Please do not distort my posting any more. I did not blame Democratic 
        party but just pointed out the legal problems in your example because
        it was you who brought this issue.  What I wanted to say was that 
        the world is not so simple as you insist. Thank you
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