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From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: archive available
Keywords: FTP site
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:30:42 GMT

	I have set up anonymous FTP on my workstation, moink.nmsu.edu
or 128.123.4.58 for the nameservice impaired. As usual, log in with your
FTP client as 'anonymous' and please do the courteous thing by sending your
email address as the password. Then 'cd rec.photo' to get to what good
stuff I have at the moment.

	Assuming I have it set up right, nothing should be writable or
deletable, it's all managed by yours truly. At present, there's almost
nothing in it -- a couple posts from donl mathis and David Jacobson, as
(more or less) samples, and the FAQ sheet. If you have anything you'd
like to submit, send it to me, amolitor@nmsu.edu (not at moink, moink
doesn't understand mail).  If anything archived now or later is *yours*,
and you don't want it in the archive, let me know that, too.

	As I have approximately 45 megabytes free, I can't really get
in to the gif business, and I really don't want to set up an /incoming,
either, to avoid becoming an involuntary gif site. Submissions received
*are* being looked at, but I am rather short of time at the moment,
please be patient!

	Both suggestions for things to find, and actual things to archive
are gratefully accepted. Not, alas, necessarily handled *rapidly*, but
as soon as possible..

	Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: troby@diana.cair.du.edu (Thorn Roby)
Subject: Re: What are anemic sunsets?
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:29:23 GMT

There were a couple of articles about the change in dawn/dusk light
quality by Galen Rowell in Outdoor Photography earlier this year. His
conclusion was that there is some interaction between volcanic dust
at various levels in the atmosphere and other forms of chemical 
pollution. He seemed to think that it would be more like two years
before it got much better. If I remember right, the volcanic dust
causes more scattering of light into the higher portions of the sky at sunset, 
so the effect of the red horizon light is reduced. This may relate more to
the color of light cast on a subject, rather than the color of the
horizon area itself.
-- 

Thorn Roby                              troby@diana.cair.du.edu
CARL Systems, Inc.                               troby@carl.org   
3801 E. Florida Ave.,Suite D300,Denver, CO 80210 (303) 758-3030
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Agfa/Ansco (was Re: AGFA, Fuji, Kodak or ?)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:47:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.193347.7000@cello.hpl.hp.com> jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.171255.27892@javelin.sim.es.com> rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs) writes:
>>During
>>this same time, the Agfa scientists were developing the "chromogenic" color
>>process, where the dyes are formed IN the film rather than being put in the
>>film during development (Kodachrome).  At the close of World War II, the Agfa
>>patents were siezed as war reparations and that technology became public.
>>Then followed Kodacolor, Ektachrome, Anscochrome and many others.
>
>This seems to imply that Ansco was a competitor of Agfa, and Ansco and
>everyone else got access to Agfa's technology as a war reparation.
>Yet I have a tripod at home (that technically belongs to my
>mother---and from various pieces of evidence it must have been
>purchased between 1940 and 1946) that is labeled Agfa/Ansco (or mabye
>it is Ansco/Agfa).  So there was apparently some period of
>co-operation between these companies.
>  -- David Jacobson

I have also seen occurences of the Agfa/Ansco name.  Ansco was based in
Binghamton, New York; they must have had some connection with Agfa.  When I
shot Anscochrome in the early 1960's, it was processed by a local lab, just
like Ektachrome.  (They even had a positive print material called "Printon",
which was a non-paper, plastic-like material similar in appearance to
glossy Cibachrome).  The Agfachrome of that period was all processed in the
East via mailer.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
From: bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Cat lenses - Pop Photography - Cambron
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:47:34 GMT
Reply-To: bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Bob Atkins writes:

>Still, not a bad article by Pop Photog standards.

Hmmmm.  Previously I wasn't aware that Pop Photog *had* standards.
I truly do learn something every day.  :-)

Barry

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Ektar vs. Gold
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.031609.19542@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.
du (Michael R. Volow) writes:
>
>In the comparisons of Ektar 100-125 vs Fujicolor SuperHG100 vs
>Fuji Reala mentioned in two recent articles (from Matthew Harper and
>Dave Zawada), what was being compared? minilab prints or custom prints?
>In general, minilab prints tell very little about the quality of
>a color negative image and its potential for making a good, optimized
>print.
>-- 
>Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
>919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu



     I always get poor result using fuji at minilab.
  but if i use kodak it is good. but all bets are off if
  i use customs lab. then it is the film that determine
  the result. I think it is because different characteristic
  of the film. and the minilab are to lazy to change the setting
  that why i also met a minilab manager who said extar are 
  not good at all and hard to get good result.

   Muskie


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From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa)
Subject: Re: 8x10, Christopher Burkett, light sources
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:52:25 GMT

In article <5360816@hplsla.hp.com> andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino) writes:
>
>About this idea of shooting directly on Cibachrome in a view camera, and
>the resulting image being backwards... will one of the proponents of this
>assertion please explain why Polaroid film exposed in a view camera doesn't
>come out "backwards"? It seems to me that in both cases the emulsion is facing
>the lens during exposure and in both cases the viewer looks at the emulsion 
>side of the print. And Polaroids don't come out backwards, neither when 
>exposed in a view camera or any other other Polaroid-capable camera, which 
>all use a taking lens to expose the emulsion side of the film which is 
>then viewed. Do extra-terrestials get involved when Cibachrome is exposed?
>

In the case of the typical peel apart film that is used in view
cameras, you expose a "negative", and when you develop the film, said
negative is pressed against the paper that is the result, reversing
the image left/right. In the case of the sx-70 film, there is a mirror
in the camera, to do the reversal. In the case of the old Kodak
instant film system, the exposure was made thru the back of the film.

If you use an adapter for sx-70 film on your view camera, you will get
a reversed image.

<dp>
From: sundar@mipos2.intel.com (Sundar Iyengar~)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Buying a Video Camera/Camcorder
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: sundar@mipos2.intel.com (Sundar Iyengar~)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

I am in the process of buying a Video Camera and I would like some help.
If there is a FAQ on this topic, could someone please mail me a copy?
Thanks.  If not, here are some questions I am interested in:

   1. What are most useful features to look for in a Video Camera (VC)?
      I can think of the following.
	 - Focal length: what is the best range of focal lengths?

	 - low light sensitivity: is a separate light source always required?

	 - microphone sensitivity: how far the subject can be for proper 
	                           sound pick-up?

	 - weight: what is the weight limit that makes it tiring to carry
 	           the VC/CC around for more than 10minutes?

	 - stability: for hand-held picture taking, which VC/CC provides the
	              best stability?

	 - 8mm or VHS?

	 - editing: should I look for any editing features?

	 - battery life: what should the expectation be on battery life?
			 how long would it take to recharge a battery pack?


   2. How is a Camcorder (CC) different from a VC?

   3. What is the best brand name for a VC/CC?
      In the features listed in 1. above, which brand is best in which set
      of features?

   4. I have a VHS/NTSC VCR, but my folks at home have a VHS/PAL VCR.
      Are there any VC/CC that can apply to both situations or should I be
      looking at a VCR that can play both NTSC and PAL coded tapes?

Thanks.

sri


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From: sriram@escher.ipl.rpi.edu (R. Sriram)
Subject: Changing films
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:43:52 GMT

Hello friends,
I've a question which has probably been discussed in the net before. If so
please excuse me.

The sales person at the local camera stores told me that it's possible to
rewind a roll (so that one can load another roll) in a Canon EOS-10S. The
camera apparently lets a small tail to stick out so that the film can be
reloaded. Is this true? If so, how does one reload the roll without exposing
the already exposed films? Do I have to take it to a dark room for this?

The mechanism seems very simple and I wonder why it's not incorporated in all
the cameras. Conceptually it seems to be the same principle as a cassette
player.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Sriram
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Why is Canon called Canon (was Re: How do you pronounce Leica? [Actually, Nikon])
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
	<PD.92Oct12011340@horus.sics.se> <92565@netnews.upenn.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:50:14 GMT

In article <92565@netnews.upenn.edu> liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang) writes:

> In article <PD.92Oct12011340@horus.sics.se> pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes:
> >Actually it is "Kwanon", but the name changed to "Canon" the very same
> >year it was formed (1935). (And it's not a misspelling by a Japanese
> >not fluent in english; it's really supposed to be "Canon" - it has
> >nothing to fo wilth guns).
> >The first camera was the Kwanon with a KasyaPa 50mm/f3.5 lens, and the
> >second model was the Canon Original with a Nikkor(!) 50mm/f4.5 lens.

>   Almost.  Kwanon was the first cameras (rough Leica D copies) designed
> by a company called Seiki-Kogaku, which formed in 1933.  In 1947 the
> company name was changed to Canon.

You could be right. My source wasn't very clear in whether it was the
company name or the camera brand name that was changed to 'Canon' in
1935. Apparently it was only the name of the camera.
THe first model was a copy of the Leica III, by the way.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Used B&W ENLARGER WANTED
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

Hi,
Being a novice at photography, I'd like to buy a used enlarger (not the Beseler cadet though!)
with lens.  I'm looking in the $100-150 price range.  Please call me if you are interested in
selling one.

Thanks
Sheheryar 
evenings:(312) 667-1706

PS. Is HELIX Camera reasonable for used stuff?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: EOS - weatherproof?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:37:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.photo
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <26526@castle.ed.ac.uk>, hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic) writes:

> Hi, does anybody has any EXPERIENCE using EOS (I have Rebel) in bad
> weather - fog, drizzle, shower?

My EOS-1 copes with heavy rainfalls very well. The Nikon F-4 doesn't...

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: nuscss1@vms1.iscs.nus.sg (Vax BULLET-IN-Board SysOps)
Subject: Re: AGFA, Fuji, Kodak or ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:15:00 GMT

In article <NICHOLS.92Oct6184454@osric.cs.odu.edu>, nichols@osric.cs.odu.edu (teresa nichols) writes...
> 
>Dumb question, but are the AGFA films E-6 process?

	agfa print films are C-41, as usual.
	i guess the slide film should be E-6, just like most other slide films.
> 
>Teresa
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Darkroom Supplies?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:04:23 GMT

In article <5657@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>I wonder if anyone can recommend a good mail order place
>for darkroom supplies.  I've check the "customer satisfaction"
>survey and everyone seems to like Camera World. However, none
>of the ads I've seen from them indicates whether they carry
>paper, chemicals, etc.  If not, whom do you like?
>
> - Bob Wier
>
For bulk 35mm film:  B&H in New York.
For color and B&W paper:  Freestyle in Los Angeles (800-292-6137).  Their
  paper prices beat local and other mail-order places.  They also have
  color and B&W film, but be sure to compare their prices to B&H.
For chemicals:  That depends on whether you buy pre-made kits or home-brew
  your own.  If you want pre-made kits from Kodak, Beseler, Unicolor, check
  the prices locally (probably not Flagstaff, try Phoenix) and compare to
  B&H.  If you want to mix your own, contact me directly for suggestions.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah


From: feltman@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Robert Feltman)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:11:46 GMT
Subject: Re: WANT: Information About LIGHT METER!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Tony,

To get really good advice I think you will need to explain what
you are going to do with the meter...

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: yw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Yin Wang)
Subject: minolta xi lenses
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:21:45 GMT

	I bought a minolta 9xi from a mail order shop. When I also placed ordersfor two minolta xi series lenses (xi 28-80 f3.5 & xi 80-200 f4.5), the salesman
told me the minolta xi lenses have problem in manuel focusing and the lenses
are slow and the quality of lense optics are not good. So he suggest me to buy
a set of Tokino lenses (AF 28-70 f2.8 & 70-210 f4.0). He said these two lenses
are high quality and fast. The only thing I am loose he said is the power zoom
and widerview features provided by xi camaras. Since I am not fimilar with
both xi and Tokino lenses, I bought his words and took the Tokino lenses. The
Tokino lenses are 25% more expensive than Minolta xi lenses.
	Any thoughts ?

Thanx.
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Cropping slides
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:58:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

> In article <1992Oct7.195453.610@andersen.co.uk> sdpage@andersen.co.uk (Stephen Page) writes:
> >Can anyone suggest a good way to crop slides for projection?
> >
> >I've seen masks in shops, but these look rather limited. The local photo
> >shop suggests using masking tape, which sounds rather unpleasant!
> 

Light Impressions (800)828 6216 sell tape for this purpose. It is available
in silver or black. Price (72yds) runs from $9.95 (1/4" silver) to $21.12
(3/4" black). It seems to be a 3M product (Polyester Film Tape #850).

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Leica Info Wanted
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:58:21 GMT

     Are there any Leica aficionados out there ? I am
looking for some info about the R series cameras and
lenses. Anyone wishing to share there knowledge a bit
please email me.

     Marcus
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman)
Subject: ok to take 8008s to Tijuana???
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:41:17 GMT

I'm going to San Diego next week and will be taking a side trip (with a
tour) to Tijuana and I'm wondering if it is safe to bring my 8008s with
me?  Also if you know of interesting things to photograph there...

Thanks,
	Craig
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From: c9113803@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (SEX IN A FISH TANK LEAVE ACTORS STUNNED AS A MULLET)
Subject: Black and White Problem
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:55:35 GMT

	Hi!
	Just having a little problem with the processing
	of my black and white film.
	It, most of the time, turns pink a the end of the process.
	What can I do to prevent that to occur?
	And, is it possible to rectify the problem once you dried 
	the film.
	Interestingly, I would like to know why it happens in the 
        first place...
	Thanks in advance...
	SEB.
From: hisashi@lpd.sj.nec.com (Hisashi Naganuma)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Mamiya 6 Questions
Keywords: medium format, Mamiya
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:15:08 GMT
Organization: NEC Technologies. San Jose.


I am thinking Mamiya 6. But unfortunately, I cannot find any Mamiya 6
 rental source near San Jose area and I have no chance to test by myself.

Question 1 for Mamiya 6 owners or experienced persons.
	How about the followings.
	- Lens quality (Contrast, Resolution, Flare, Distortion, etc)
	   (If possible, comparison with Planar 80/2.8 of Hasselblad)
	- Operation (Film Loading/Unloading, Focusing, Finder, AE accuracy)
	- Weight
	- Shutter Noise and accuracy
	- Internal body reflection

Question 2 Mamiya 6 rental shop
	If there's a rental source near San Jose, please inform me of it.


Thank you in advance.

Hisashi Naganuma
hisashi@lpd.sj.nec.com

PS. Street price of Mamiya 6 with 75mm lens here in US is around $1,800. In Japan
it is sold at 140,000Yen(Less Than $1,200) according to Japanese magazines. 
Why this difference?  Mamiya controls US price?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rodney@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rodney Gitzel)
Subject: Re: Safelight for TMAX film
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:39:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.214107.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>> Someone told me once that there is a safelight filter
>>  that can be used during the development of TMAX film.
>> Does anyone know about this?  I would like to use a safelight
>>  in some experiments with extreme push-processing.
>
>A number 3. It's *DARK* green. Like about 1.5% transmition at 500-530nM.
>You can use it for about 2 sec.

Hmmm.  So you can't just leave it on the whole time, then?  Bummer.
 Oh well.  Better than nothing.

>
>What do you mean by "extreme" BTW?

Well, how about pushing TMZ to 51200?  I tried 25600 at the
 recommended times and got nice blank negs.  It would be nice
 to not have to guess, agitate for days, and discover the guess
 was still off -- if I can see how the developing is going, then
 I just agitate as long as needed.

I would also like to try pushing TMX five or six stops, just to see
 if I can make it go grainy.  (Yeah, right...)

>~Paul
>

Thanks for the info.

Rodney Gitzel