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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Admiral Piett
Summary: Why is Vader so lenient with this chap?
Keywords: Vader Piett TESB
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:47:36 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.


Good Folks,

I have a question which has been bugging me for a long time.

In  TESB,  when  Admiral Ozzel emerges with his battle fleet too  close  to
Hoth, thus allowing the Alliance to force a surface attack from the Empire,
Vader kills him.

In the same film, when Captain Needa aboard the Avenger loses the Millenium
Falcon in the pursuit, Vader kills him also.

Yet  when  Admiral Piett loses the Millenium Falcon at the end of the  film
due  to  its  jumping into hyperspace (despite reassurances from  Piett  to
Vader  that  the  hyperdrive  aboard  the  MF  has  been  disabled),  Vader
apparently  does  nothing  by way of a reprimand.  Lo and  behold,  we  see
Admiral  Piett  very much intact in ROTJ.  This in spite of the  fact  that
Vader  warns  Piett,  "Don't  fail me again - ADMIRAL !"  (great  line  !),
shortly after doing away with Needa.

What  forces  this  apparent  lapse in ruthlessness from  Vader  ?   Is  it
intentional,  or is Vader so totally obsessed with finding Luke toward  the
end of TESB that he lets it pass, assuming he has bigger fish to fry ?

I think we should be told ! What do you folks think ?

All the best,


Hugh.
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From: wplogan@ocf.berkeley.edu (William P. Logan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: CLASSIC STAR WARS #1 IS OUT!!!
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:23:34 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley's Overloaded Computing Facility
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In article <1992Sep9.231106.6067@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>So? What is "classic star wars"?
>
>Scott
>

"Classic" STAR WARS is a comic book published by Dark Horse Comics (the same
people who publish the current "STAR WARS: Dark Empire" series).  It
is a reprint of the "Star Wars" comic strip that ran in various newspapers
in the (I _believe_) early '80s.  Basically, they've taken the strip, 
had it colored, and published it in comic book form.  The story line (right
now) is of events that happened between ANH & ESB (e.g. Ord Mandell (sp?)).
I like it.

--Bill

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From: scostant@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Star Wars Models: Require Help
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:47:25 GMT



I anticipate making a fairly large battle diorama using the STAR WARS minitures
from the role playing game. However, apart from the figures, I would like to
include some rebel and imperial equipment (guns, x-wing, Millenium Falcon etc).
Although not true Star Wars models, I found some metal kits that look pretty
similar to the Imperial All Terain Scout (AT-ST). Does anyone know of the 
names of any kits I could use as substitutes for the rebel laser canons seen on
Hoth in TESB, an imperial Shuttle, Banthas with Sandpeople? (in relative scale
with the metal role playing figures).

This leads me on to my next question. Would the plastic kits for an x-wing and 
the Millenium Falcon (I refer to the kit discussed on the net recently), be way
out of scale compared to the figures? If so, does anyone know how/where I might
get suitable models, bearing in mind I'm in Australia?

Thanks in advance,
COZZIE
From: x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Miniseries from Dark Horse Comics
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:06:00 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <gretchen.716155583@betwixt>, gretchen@betwixt.ugcs.caltech.edu (Gretchen Louise Mullendore) writes:
> I read an article some time ago about the new Star Wars Comic series that
> would be coming out from Dark Horse Comics.

	To my knowledge, there are two series (pl) of SW comics from Dark

Horse.  One is "The Dark Empire," a six-part miniseries taking place after
the Zahn novels.  TDE stirs up a lot of criticism from SW fans (check
out other posts on TDE).  Anyway, 1-5 have hit the stores and run just
under $3 (though supposedly the first issue is a $10 collector item, I
bought it for face value last week).  The final issue should be out in 
October.

	There is also the Classic Star Wars series, which takes place
between the first two movies.  The first issue is out, but I haven't
had a chance to get it.
	Any decent comic book store (check da yellow pages) should have
these, or at least be able to get them.

		--Dave "Boba Fett and Y-Wings are Cool" Fanjoy
 
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From: sanderso@pleiades.cs.rpi.edu (Don Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Delta Source (Spoilers)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:45:24 GMT

In article <Bu6qIt.1EF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:










[****Spoilers ahead*****]
























>Just a goofy idea that struck me as I was reading the book, since I thought
>Winter was too obvious a choice: How about the plants that line the
>corridors of the Imperial Palace on Coruscant? Maybe they have some weird

I had the same thought, an awful lot of text was devoted to a description
of these plants in this last volume.

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From: dranney@mls-9.informix (David Ranney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:07:22 GMT
Reply-To: dranney@mls-9.informix
Organization: Informix Software

>In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
> [stuff deleted] 
> >
>>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star. 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
My pet theory on this is that perhaps levitation/flight is an attribute of the
good side of the force, not the dark side.  You notice we never saw Obi-Wan 
shooting Darth with lightning bolts.  We never saw Yoda make a little pinching
gesture and make Luke gag.

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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: The Force ( was Re: Dark Empire: NOT CANON!!?? )
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.070318.24323@athena.cs.uga.edu>, jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) writes:

> But coming up with some bonehead idea like animals that generate a Force
> bubble isn't like an animal that can repel or create some poison, but is
> more like an animal that is immune to reincarnation, or that can repel
> the animism that some Native American religions believe in.  For another
> thing, what possible purpose could it have?  The ysalamiri's most dangerous
> natural predators are Jedi Knights?

No... I forget what they're called, but the ysalamiri's natural enemies 
used the force to locate sources of food. Therefore, it seems logical 
(at least to me) that the ysalamiri would have evolved into a creature 
that can repel the force as a method of camouflage, the same way 
creatures here develop the ability to change their colour depending on 
the season/surroundings, as well as the ability to transform their shape 
into something in their surroundings. For example, about a week ago, I 
saw this VERY bizarre moth. When it was flying, it looked like any other 
moth, but when it landed, its body became skinnier, its wings rolled up, 
and it ended up looking like a twig. Pretty good camouflage, if you ask 
me.

> [accidentally cut, some comment about Jabba being "immune" to Jedi "mind 
> tricks"]

No, not immune. It was just that at the time, Luke wasn't all that 
experienced with the aspect of mind control yet, and if Zahn's books are 
to be believed, Jabba has had SOME training in the force himself, and 
has learned some simple tricks to counteract the Jedi mind trick. 
However, if someone like Yoda tried the same trick on Jabba, that 
gelatinous pancake wouldn't stand a chance. Matta ne.

                                          -=]> Max <[=-

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From: bh7030307@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:06:35 GMT

broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN) writes:
 
>>There has been fan speculation that Cpt Antilles is the father of Wedge, which
>>would now place Wedge's loyalty in question.  Several points:
> 
> 	Remember, Antilles died rather nastily at the hands of Vader during
> this encounter, so you have to ask, would Wedge be so dedicated to the 
> Empire as to betray, and have Vader kill, his father?
> 
> 	Personally, I believe the 'spy' idea is probably correct - but I
> doubt that Wedge was the man in question, IMHO. 
> 
> The Brown Dog.

Maybe Vader was pissed that his spy didn't know where the tapes were hidden. 
Captain Antilles was the commander of the 'Runner, after all.  And Vader's
record with subordinates that he's pissed with isn't too glowing.

Besides, maybe Wedge never found out about the incident, as all present were
Imperial officers. 

Cerebus
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: By the Way...
Date: 6 Sep 1992 00:27:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) says:

>I know that Carrie Fisher hosted Saturday Night Live, but I don't think 
>any of the others ever did.  (I just recently saw a rerun of the Carrie
>Fisher SNL on some cable comedy channel.)   I think it would be great to
>have Vader as a stand-up, but it'd be pretty hard to get James Earl Jones'
>voice in synch with David Prowse in a live act.
>

"You call that a hologram?"



(If you didn't see it, never mind ...)

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From: x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:25:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Sep12.062734.3211@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson) writes:
> Why didn't Vader kill Piett?

	Maybe it was because it wasn't really Piett's fault that the MF got
away at the end of TESB.

	Anyway, on the subject of Admiral Piett, the same actor appeared in 
a Monty Python flick that I saw this summer called Jabberwocky (If you liked
the Holy Grail, you'll LOVE Jabberwocky).  Anyway, the actor who plays Piett
(was his name even in the SW credits?!) plays a masochist in Jabberwocky.
His head has been shaved and he wanders around the whole movie flogging 
himself (well, until he gets catapulted into the forest).  I just about
died laughing.

		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy

	"Bounty Hunters-- we don't need their scum."
                                       --Piett
From: z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Force Rising (cont.)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:47:46 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

With the imminent release of The Last Command (??? 3rd Zahn book) sometime
early next year, anybody want to speculate on Luke and Mara's relationship.
I'm intrigued by it.  He seems to always be looking out for the best interests
of others, but rarely himself.  However, if the comics are a continuation
(as they claim to be), where is Mara??  For that matter, where is Thrawn and
Palleon?? or Winter??? 

Other speculations are welcomed and desired.

--Blitz

"I've got a bad feeling about this," [insert favorite SW character here!]

P.S.-What's this I here about Leia being pregnant AGAIN in comic issue #5.
     Looks like a trend is starting!  I wonder how many it will be this time??

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Luke and self-levitation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:49:55 GMT
Keywords: Jedi levitation

shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.170554.4666@pyra.co.uk> you write:
>>Good folks,
>>
>>Someone (was it you Jules ?) posted recently asking if anyone
>>could recall if any of those versed in the Force demonstrated
>>powers of self-levitation.
>>
>>Well, I can't recall any offhand, although I do wonder how on
>>Earth (well, Bespin actually) Luke  manages to fall away from
>>his confrontation  with  Vader  in TESB, straight into one of
>>those vent-type things. Was this Luke playing with gravity, a
>>limited form  of self-levitation, or do those vents just suck
>>rather hard ?
>>
>>I'd be intrigued to have your ideas on this.

> I always thought those vents are part of the Tibana (sp?) Gas mining
>method. Tibana Gas is allowed to accumelate in the core of the cloud
>city (the giant shaft Luke fell {jumped} into). It is then sucked
>(rather hard) into vents for extraction by mining equipment. When a
>foreign object (like Luke) is sensed inside the vents, an automatic
>trapdoor opens to rid the system of it. 

>- What do you guys think?

I think Luke levitated himself into the vent.  Luke may have been
rather distraught after his confrontation with Vader, but he wasn't
suicidal.  He wouldn't have made that leap unless he knew he was
going to survive.               

                            --Steve Stelter
                              sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: T.D.E. Analysis
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:04:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

Most people don't seem to have liked the "Conquering the dark side from within" storyline-
but did you read one of the letters at the back of a later issue (can't remember which
off-hand) from someone who liked the parallel with eastern mysticism?  Well, it said
soething along the lines of `when you have mastered both good and evil, you move on to
higher things, things higher and greater than both good and evil'.  Sounds like a clever,
up to date reworking of the serpent tempting Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life,
promising this would bring them `knowledge of both good and evil' ... well let's not kid
ourselves guys - we are a wonderous creation, but we are not gods.  Now Luke has gone off
and done this, he must win (the good guys always do ultimately - imagine losing Luke in
a comic series?  Naahh!).  So what happens when Luke does win - he's godlike!?  Sounds
unfortunately like a bit of clever evangelism from the new age/mystic camp to me.

All in all, I loved the comic series, but I didn't like this particular sub-plot.  I wish
they'd never thought of it, because it's too late now - Luke's already "taken his bite",
he's submitted to the dark-side.  I'm sure he can be brought back (remember his dad),
but I won't like it at all if he overcomes from within, only if he wins by using the good
side.

Anyway, just my ramblings.  Just be wise to what people are trying to get into your
brain without you realising!

Simon

(Hurry up October, #6 desperately required!)

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Kenner and the future of Star Wars Toys....
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:54:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep14.205441.1469
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Well, just for the hell of it, I captured the list of the figures that
people would have liked to have seen made into Star Wars toys, and some
other information (no names, etc) and sent it off to the marketing Manager
of Kenner (with whom I used to communicate with regularly) and inquired
about if they were going to do any new toys, or will be involved in the new
--and hightly rumored-- Star Wars movies. I also asked if they had any
plans to re-issue the original toys again.

Instead of a usually friendly reply from them, I got a letter from the
legal department that said they could not release any information on
upcoming products, as that is highly confidential...etc...etc....etc.

They also went on to say that the y could not say that they would or would
not be involved with any new Star Wars toys...


------------------'
PERSONAL OPINION :
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HMmmmm...Sounds like they sorta went out of the way to deny anything.... :)

Who knows, maybe there will be some interesting developments soon, or in
the near future....

Dave
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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.collecting
Subject: Re: Star Wars Items for Sale!
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:00:26 GMT
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

In article <20203@plains.NoDak.edu> myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre) writes:
>Thanks!
>
>Action Figures
>---------------
>New Still in Package
>---------
>Weequay
>Lumat
>Prune Face
>Rancor Keeper
>Teebo
>[PUZZLE] Series I Luke Skywalker - unopened box!

I am interested in the above.  Robert, if you can somehow e-mail me the current
bid for these, maybe I can e-mail back my bid.  Currently, I am unable to do
so.  (Using rn and the reply doesn't seem to be working.)
					Thanks
				        Ron
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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:48:22 GMT

In article <92Aug28.234311.26790@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

> Just on a hunch (no information, just speculation) I'd bet
> at least $100 on the next SW coming out in '97, prolly on
> the 20th aniversary of SW. That gives Lucas time to finish
> another season or two of Young Indy, ILM to tidy up from Jurrasic
> Park (which should be awesome!), and tool up for production over
> 2 years for a May 1997 release.

The way I heard it (actually, read in a local newspaper article), George 
has AT LEAST started pre-production work on the new Star Wars trilogy, 
which WILL be Episodes I-III. In the article, it said that the first 
movie will be due for release by 1995 (maybe 1994), and he will be 
releasing the other two movies the year after the previous one. Matta ne.

                                                  -=]> Max <[=-

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From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Subject: Re: "Delta Source"
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:38:20 GMT

In article <kmwilcox.716052229@du139-210.cc.iastate.edu>
kmwilcox@iastate.edu (Kevin M Wilcox) writes:
 
>I have yet to read 'Dark Force Rising', but after 'Heir to the Empire' (where
>Delta is not yet introduced)  I was almost certain Fey'lya would be revealed
>to  be a spy (Why do you think the Bothans got the plans, even if it was
>SUPPOSEDLY at the expense of a few lives?).
 
It's too obvious.  When the author goes to such pains to conceal
the identity of his traitor, he's probably trying for the shock
value of a real surprise.
 
Want my guess?  Leia's aide -- Winter.  She's trusted and well-
liked, both by the other characters and by the reader.  She's
perfect.
 
"if it don't kill you, it can only make you stronger."
-- mason hart, rice u.
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: Return/Revenge
Originator: cmgeorg@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Green
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:25:49 GMT



>	What is the story behind the switch from revenge of the jedi to
>  Return of the jedi? I still have a patch and some newsleters that have
> "Revenge of the Jedi" logo on it...it was on Bantha Tracks...
>is stuff like this worth anything?
>
>dan

There goes that "w" word again.

-sigh

Chris
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From: goldman@orac.cray.com (Matthew D. Goldman)
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising/delta source
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:40:47 CDT

In article <1992Sep7.214313.3945@desire.wright.edu> arang@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.160951.24306@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep6.213358.17992@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>Though Winter is a good guess about Delta Source, I kind of think it might
>>>be Mon Mothma.  Comments...?
>
>I think it's the computer...Luke was using it before he went after C'Boath and
>before he was delayed.(I thought I read something about Thrawn thinking Luke
>was headed to meet C'Boath only to run into him someplace else).

That would make sense, we have been shown that there can be backdoors
on secure systems.

Matt

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