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From: LOOMERN@ACAD.RIPON.EDU (Norm Loomer -- Ripon College)
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Subject: StatLab
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:10:00 GMT
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Glenn Meyer advised me that StatLab is distributed by Intellimation and
that their phone number is 800-346-8355.  I called and learned that a
single copy goes for $79 and a site license for $349.

Norm Loomer
Ripon College
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   I don't know.  And I have no monetary interest in it, but
what about _Statistical Methods for Psychology_ by David Howell,
PWS-KENT Publishing Company, 1992.

                                  Lee Wolfle
                                  WOLFLE at VTVM1
                                  wolfle@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
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Site:         University of Leicester, Leicester, U.K.
X-Name:       David D Stretch
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Fax:          +44 533 523293
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From:         David Stretch <dds@LE.AC.UK>
Subject:      long messages and irrelevant physics stuff

Regarding the posting about Larsonian physics:

I understood that this posting was a bulk posting to a number of lists (I
saw it on others too), and so it was classified by myself as being a
"one off". I suspect, though I haven't checked, that McElwaine (I may have
his name wrong as I've junked his mail), may not even be a subscriber to
EDSTAT.

David Stretch

  +-----------------------+---------------------------------------------+
  |  Dr. David D Stretch  | Clothes make the man.    Naked people       |
  |  Dept. of Psychiatry  | have little or no influence on society.     |
  |  dds@leicester.ac.uk  |                                  Mark Twain |
  +-----------------------+---------------------------------------------+
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From:         Stephen Baker <sbaker@UMASSMED.UMMED.EDU>
Subject:      SPSS ... please help me find ...

Naji Mouawad writes looking for a package that is shareware or free ware
that is compatible with SPSS.

I'm not aware of any SPSS clones, however they do have an inexpensive student
version.

I can HEARTILY recommend, however, the public domain package EPI INFO, which
is actually a very nice little statistics package with lots of nice features.
It is not SPSS compatible, _per_se
but it WILL generate a portable SPSS job, with then appropriate SPSS commands
to set up a system file and the data.

You may never need SPSS, with this as it can do  crosstabs, frequencies,
descriptive statistics, AANOVA, t-tests, non-parametrics, and some very
sophisticated  contingecy table analyses, including oddsratios, relative
risk estimates, aproximate and exact confidence intervals, Mantel Haenzels,
fisher exact tests, also a general multiple regression routine with
confidence intervals for parameters and ANOVA.  It has a built in editor,
a form fillout, data entry routine with a provision for double entry data
validation.  I am particularly fond of it's contingency table pop-up
calculator STATCALC which can give all the epidemiologic tests and intervals
for any 2 X R table.

EPIINFO was developed at the Centers For Disease Control as a tool for field
epidemiiology by Jeff Dean, Andy Dean, Tony Burton and Rich Dicker so it is
100% PUBLIC DOMAIN, i.e. it can be copied and given away to students or any-
one and runs on any pc.  The demand apparently got so high that CDC farmed
out it's distribution to a local company which charges a nominal fee for
media, manual, shipping etc.  They will take plastic over the phone:

		USD Inc
			2156-D West Park Court
			Stone Mountain, GA 30087

		(404) 469-4098
Mine cost $18 dollars, but that was a long time and several versions
ago, I'm sure it has gone up substantially, but it is well worth it.

It was available at an anonymous FTP site, that's how I upgraded from
version 3 to Version 5, but I don't recall Which site.  Maybe someone
else will know.


Stephen P. Baker                                phone:  (508) 856-2625
Lecturer in Biostatistics                               (508) 856-2440 fax
Department of Academic Computing                        (413) 253-3923 home
University of Massachusetts Medical School      e-mail: sbaker@umassmed.bitnet
55 Lake Avenue North                                    _. .____ __. _ __._
Worcester, MA 01655
From: WLTPIRIE@VTVM1.BITNET (Walt Pirie)
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Subject: Projects and Models
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:53:24 GMT
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HAVING STUDENT PROJECTS IN STATISTICS METHODS COURSES DOES TAKE A LOT OF
PLANNING and care,
AND MAKES FOR A LOT MORE WORK FOR THE TEACHER. YET IT IS AN IMPORTANT
TOOL FOR MOTIVATING SUDENTS AND GIVING THEM A PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.
WHEN I INCLUDE PROJECTS IN THIS TYPE OF COURSE, I USUALLY HAVE STUDENTS
WORK IN SMALL GROUPS. I MEET WITH EACH GROUP DURING THE TERM TO MONITOR
THEIR PROGRESS AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THOSE
MEETINGS , ONCE THEY HAVE CHOSEN A SUBJECT AREA FOR THEIR PROJECT, IS TO
HELP GUIDE THEM TOWARD A DESIGN AND MODEL THAT IS MANAGEABLE, AND WITHIN
THE SCOPE OF THE COURSE. That often means helping them see that their
original plans are too ambitious, or have overlooked some model aspects.
As a side issue, I don't think that can be successful if one tries to
avoid using mathematical models in the course, as I've seen some espouse.
Anyway, the planning meetings are an important learning experience for
them and I seldom run into final reports that are outside the course
content, or use incorrect models. If that happens, it's usually easy to
recap what went wrong in a constructive, reinforcing way and without
penalizing them.

Walt Pirie
Stat, Va Tech.
From: gdallal@pearl.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
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Subject: Re: Niceties of inference schools
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:58:00 GMT
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In article <1992Oct12.155424.11369@waikato.ac.nz>, maj@waikato.ac.nz writes...
>In article <11OCT199222162878@pearl.tufts.edu>, gdallal@pearl.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct12.094824.11360@waikato.ac.nz>, maj@waikato.ac.nz writes...
>>>Can anyone think of a situation where a user of statistics
>>>would come to serious harm in thinking that a parameter
>>>belonged to a particular 95% confidence interval with
>>>probability .95?
>> 
>> [I tell him where it does.]
> 
>I'm sorry, but users of statistics don't play games of this kind.
>They have conducted their experiment or survey or whatever and
>they are looking for reasonable numbers to summarise the evidence
>that they have gathered.
> 
>I am not saying that these distinctions cannot and should not be
>made. But to stress them in an introductory course to nonspecialists
>can be confusing and understates the important common ground
>between statisticians of all stripes.
>-- 

The original question did not ask what should be taught in an intro course.
It asked if the distinction mattered.  It does.
It's difficult to have an intelligent dialogue if, when a quesiton is answered,
the poser then changes the question.
Had the original question been, "Why shouldn't intro students be allowed to 
confuse confidence with probability?"  I would have replied, "BECAUSE IT'S
WRONG!!!"

Questions of this sort assume that probability and statistics should be trivial
to teach if only we do it properly.  WRONG.  Easier, yes; trivial no.  I
prefer to refer to my courses as "Statistics/data analysis in 10 easy
lessons--and a few hard ones."  Some concepts are inherently harder than others
and those teachers who are sloppy in presenting them do a disservice to their
students and the professions (teaching and statistics).
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Howard
From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
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Subject: Re: Envelope
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:43:06 GMT
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In article <EDSTAT-L%92100623243068@NCSUVM.CC.NCSU.EDU>, WLTPIRIE@VTVM1.BITNET (Walt Pirie) writes:

> Response2: No fair Jerry. You asked and I gave you the only random
> variable of any relevance at all in the problem (To a frequentist, that
> is).Then you rejected it. That's cheating.
> Oh, that other random variable whose observed value happens to be $100?
> Other than as a scale factor it's not relevant to the problem.
> After all, the problem is really about finding "k", where
> E(gain)=k(envelope content). Envelope content conveys no information
> about k so $100 is irrelevant(except when it's in my pocket.)
> Since envelope content is the only extant information, there is no useful
> conditioning information available for finding k.

I'm thoroughly confused.  I believe the source of this thread is whether the 
envelope problem is at all analogous to the problem of confidence intervals.
(1) I believe my original comment, shorn of all its potentially inflamatory
surroundings, was that it is no more correct to say "P($50 in other envelope) =
P($200 in other envelope) = 0.5" that to say "there is a 95% probability that
the population mean lies in the range (-3.2, 2.8)".  
(2) I also believe that Walt Pirie stated that he did not see the connection.
Please correct me if either of the preceding statements is wrong.

Let's see if the analogy holds up.  Let one envelope contain $theta and the
other contain $2*theta (theta unknown).
Pick an envelope.  Open it.  Let X=amount of money in envelope.
Claim:  X/2 is a 50% confidence "interval" for theta.

Is the claim valid?
What is required of a confidence interval?  Well, A p-th% confidence interval
is a member of a class, p% of which have the property claimed for them.  In
repeated experiments (i.e., I play the *same game*--same envelopes--over and 
over), half the time I will pick the envelope with the greater amount of money
and my confidence "interval" will contain the parameter; half the time I will 
pick the envelope with the lesser amount of money and my confidence 
"interval" will be wrong.  Sounds like a confidence interval to me.

I would like to think of myself as a pedagogue.  At the risk of sounding like a
pedant, let me repeat myself:  In order to understand the envelope paradox, one
must understand the distinction between probability and confidence.  
The fact that this paradox can stir up such heated discussion and emotions
among *teahcers* of statistics speaks volumes about why so many students are
poorly taught.
From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.edstat-l
Subject: Re: Niceties and esoterica
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:12:04 GMT
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In article <1992Oct14.083430.11395@waikato.ac.nz>, maj@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> This is near the end of the teaching year for me so I write from
> a perspective of gloom and depression about how little I have
> been able to get across to a large proportion of my first year
> class. Most recently I have come to see that many still do not
> really understand P-value. I have some ideas about how to cope
> with this that I may share with the list if they work out with 
> next year's class. 


Because I don't have access to your lecture notes, I can only guess.  In many
instances, the problem of understanding P-values arises because there has
not been enough emphasis on fixed level testing.  People can argue about
its utility, but fixed level testing is easy to understand:  prior to
collecting data, a critical region is carved out of the sample space.  If
the results of the experiment fall into the critical region, one rejects
the null hypothesis.  Slightly harder to grasp--but only slightly--is the
way the critical region changes according to the fixed level of significance.
But if these concepts can be nailed down, the P-value falls out as the largest
fixed significance level at which the results would have led to rejection,
i.e., if you did your fixed level testing at a level greater than the P-value,
the null hypothesis would have been rejected.  If the fixed level were less
than the P-value, the weight of evidence would have been insufficient to reject
the null.

If P-values are not presented against the backdrop of fixed level testing,
students (if not the instructor!) are likely to find themselves
trying to verbalize Jeffreys' charge that "*the use of P implies . . . that a
hypothesis that may be true may be rejected because it has not predicted
observable results that have not occurred.* [his emphasis]  This seems a
remarkable procedure."
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    I AM ON BITNET AND MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS F60C038 AT SAKSU00
     I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MY ADDRESS WOULD BE ON THE INTERNET ?

     I ALSO, WOULD LIKE TO GET A LIST OF LISTS ON THE INTERNET .

     PLEASE REPLY  DIRECTLY TO ME .

     F60C038@SAKSU00.BITNET
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From:         "Remco A. Rutten" <R.Rutten@UCI.KUN.NL>
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Hermann,
>
>Hi,
>how can I send RFC822 formatted e-mail to an address like this:
>
>123456@IBMX400
>
Try the experimental IBM-EARN gateway, based on X.400.
Send an e-mail to the address:
             givenname.surname@ibmx400-country.ibmmail.circe.fr
Givenname, surname and country depend on the receiver of your message.
(non-existing) example: kersten.kerstena@ibmx400-nl.ibmmail.circe.fr

If you don't know the exact address you can send queries to:
   direct.direct@ibmx400-gb.ibmmail.circe.fr
The first three lines of your message should contain:
directory=view
surname=......
detail=y

You'll receive a respons by e-mail.
Good luck,

Remco Rutten
UCI dpt. networks
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands
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From:         "(Steven Devaney)" <glomer@CAMELOT.BRADLEY.EDU>
Subject:      Gateways to the internet

	Can anyone tell me,
		IS THERE A GATEWAY TO THE INTERNET, NOT JUST NEWSNET, THAT IS
AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OR MYSELF AMNYWAY IN THE CHICAGOLAND AREA VIA A
SCHOOL OR WHATEVER, THAT	REQUIRE EITHER A FEE OR FOR FREE?


	please send any answers to

			glomer@camelot.bradley.edu
--


          --------------------  -------------------------------
          |  Steve Devaney   |  | glomer@camelot.bradley.edu  |
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 <IQM139@URIACC.URI.EDU>
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Several letters about French-language e-mail correspondence made me
curious about how one handles the accented and other characters that
exist in many European languages but not English. Are there
standards that are commonly followed in Internet e-mail? Presumably
there must be some standard in any one country; do such standards
typically carry over to additional languages?

I am really asking about the situation now, rather than
some proposal for possible future acceptance.  E.g. if I were to
write a letter in French today, could I type the non-english
letters in a way likely to be widely understood.

 --Pete Hoyle, Systems Analyst, Tech Support Services
   The College of William and Mary in Virginia   (804) 221-2980
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:01:25 EDT
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I am in search of the process by which one access PEACENET, or does such a
chat network exist?  I am trying to access a topic I was told is on this
chat system, "reg.ireland".  Anyone with any info about this please contact
me: JPY101@psuvm.psu.edu
                                   Thank you.
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Hi Networkers:

Somebody there knows the email address of the London School of
Economics?

Thanks in advance,

Max Quiros
mquiros@esan.pe



I found this two hosts in Lodon School of Economics and Political Science:
MAILHOST.LSE.AC.UK -- 158.143.96.65
PHOEBUS.LSE.AC.UK -- 158.143.96.91
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 A friend in St. Petersburg has asked me, if there were a way to obtain
currency quotes/exchange rates via Internet.  Or, if there's a PC Pursuit
number through which one could access such a service.  Does anyone know?
Would really very appreciate any information one might have on this.

 Thanks,

    Joseph
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