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Subject: Re: T-Wolves self-destructing
From: alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:49:27 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
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In article <BuB9Fy.1uo@ora.com>, ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
> Is this for real?  The Timberwolves traded Pooh Richardson and Sam Mitchell
> to Indiana for Chuck Person and Michael Williams - what!!  Where is there
> anything in this for Minnesota?   Are they trying to plug the SF hole
> left by their stupid tradeaway of Ty Corbin?  With Pooh's stellar play
> in the LA Summer league, he's got to be worth more than this, and was the
            ^^^^^^
> Wolfies marquee man to boot.  Laettner's not ready for those shoes just
> yet ;)
> 

First, summer league may be nice, but it's not the NBA.  Pooh has played well
in pick-up type leagues before, but that scoring won't occur during the regular
season.

The big thing about the trade is that the T-Wolves get 2 players for one.  For
those who don't know, around here it is fairly common knowledge that Mitchell
was done with the team.  He didn't fit in with Rodger's system and wasn't happy
about the reduction in playing time.  He's not big enough to play power forward
and doesn't have the skills of a small forward.  He does have incredible work
habits and goes after the boards, unfortunately Jimmy didn't seem to want that
at the position.  Also the T-Wolves have become overloaded at the spot due to
drafting both Laettner and Maxey.  So Mitchell was gone anyway.

Looking at last years stats, It would appear that the T-Wolves got Person for
free.  Pooh and Williams match up well, so that could have been a trade in
itself.  Personally I believe Pooh is the better player, but his defense is not
suspect, it doesn't exist, and add in his free-throw shooting (69%) and he has
some major weakness.  Prior to last season, Pooh stated that he spent the
entire summer working on his FT and look at what good it did.

This trade isn't going to make the T-Wolves playoff contenders, but it
certainly makes them more interesting to watch.  It will take a while for them
to reach the playoffs, but this certainly will help.

Alec A. Burkhardt
alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu


> -- 
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> 
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>         uunet!ora!ellie
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:39:56 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 19097@unlinfo.unl.edu, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:

[summary of apparenlty boring Mound and Godzilla faceoff deleted]

>Not bad I suppose, but for all the hype I expected more than a 30-second
>spot.  Actually what really caught my eye was the commercial right before it,
>an MTV spot where they edited the videos of Rodney King and Reginald Denny
>and replaced the people with animated paper sculptures.  Now _that_ was
>an excellent commercial.

What was this a commercial for?

>
>--
>______________________________________________________________________________
>mike gleason                 mgleason@cse.unl.edu             NCEMRSoft, baby!


Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: f67700241@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:15:09 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <dfHd02Qa210F01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
> In article 19097@unlinfo.unl.edu, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>>[summary of apparenlty boring Mound and Godzilla faceoff]
>>Not bad I suppose, but for all the hype I expected more than a 30-second
>>spot.  Actually what really caught my eye was the commercial right before it,
>>an MTV spot where they edited the videos of Rodney King and Reginald Denny
>>and replaced the people with animated paper sculptures.  Now _that_ was
>>an excellent commercial.
> 
> What was this a commercial for?

Oh dear.  Then it _wasn't_ such an excellent commercial after all.  :-)
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Sally went to Miami (?)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:10:32 GMT


Yes, Detroit's John Sally went to Miami for a lessor player and
a first round draft pick.  Not a bad deal.

WM.

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From: kdaniels@coal.WPI.EDU (Kevin M. Daniels)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: X-Man
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:45:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: coal.wpi.edu

	Just saw on CNN that the Celtics have signed the X-Man for three years
with two option years.  I think he'll be getting 1.6 million this year.

Kevin

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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: Harold Miner
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:39:45 GMT


I've heard a lot of talk about the Miami Heat getting rid of Harold Miner in a  
trade.  I didn't see Miner play that much because they didn't show his team  
much out here in the midwest, but I did see him against UCLA.  I don't know if  
this game was just a fluke, but I saw pull off some fantastic Jordan-esque  
moves.  He really dominated on the offensive end of the floor.  I think it  
would be a big mistake to give him away when he hasn't played a game yet.  
(unless of course they want to give him to the Pacers - yes, I'm one of their  
four fans...) In my opinion, Miner is going to be a great player if the UCLA  
game was any indication...any other opinions??

Scott E. States
statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
  
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From: antab@is.morgan.com (Anthony Abenante)
Subject: Re: New York Knicks
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:43:54 GMT

Actually, the Knicks had every intention on signing McDaniel; Checketts
believed he had a gentleman's agreement with McDaniel's agent. They
have been attempting to sign another player (Grant, Smith, etc...) before
using up the room under the cap. Because of the delay in the Roberts deal, 
the Knicks seem to have been royally burned. Combined with the matching
of their offer sheet to Grant, this off-season is falling far short of 
expectations. We Knick fans now place all our faith in Checketts working
some magic...


Anthony
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From: rgh@unislc.uucp (Rich Hannon)
Subject: Re: Jazz musings (long)
Reply-To: rgh@unislc.UUCP (Rich Hannon,D1Z01,6628)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:53:43 GMT

In article <18masdINNsvn@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>
>I have to take you to task on one comment, and that was about the 
>negligible draft picks that the Jazz traded away.  One of the picks
>was Duane Causwell, he could be the guy that the Jazz are looking for!
>How is Duane doing at Sacramento?  In the few times that I have seen
>him play in the pros, he has looked good.  Is he levelling out or still
>improving?
>
>Rick
>

Didn't mean to imply that Causwell was negligible, in fact, since Hanson's
subsequent success has been "modest" - & is now out of the league, and
Lechner is marginal, Causwell (if the Jazz had chosen him with their #1)
is the most costly loss in that trade. Certainly if the Jazz had him
I think they would be in somewhat better shape at center (don't know
how much better 'cause I haven't followed him that closely). But then
I would be talking about Jazz weakness at SG. My bottom line is: I'd
trade those 3 guys for Jeff Malone any day. The Jazz jumped up to another
level after they got him - now there was an outside threat to make
people pay for tripling K. Malone.

I too would like to know how Causwell is doing? Any King's fans ready
to come out of the closet & tell us?
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: RICK FOX!!! ROOLZ (Re: X-man to Boston)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:41:06 GMT

Screw the stats.  The question here is potential.  You put up stats between
Fox and Gamble.  First extend them to 48 minutes each and then compare.  And
second, try comparing Fox's rookie stats with Gamble's rookie stats.  Your
comparing a veteran to a rookie.  Gamble is as good as he is going to get.
Fox on the other hand has a much better chance of eventually being the better
player.  There is no question that everybody from Red to Larry to Dave to
Chris agree with this as do most other teams because they all want the Gamble
part of a trade to be upgraded to Fox.

Andy


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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.214124.19097@unlinfo.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>>The Net would appreciate it if someone could give a plot summary of
>>Godzilla vs. Barkley for those of us without TV (or roomies who don't
>>like watching sports on TV).  Was it a classic, a la Coke's "I'd Like
>>to Teach the World to Sing"?
>
>I saw the commercial during the MTV awards.  All it was is this:
>  Godzilla terrorizes city;
>  Barkley just happens to be in the area with his basketball and runs
>    into Gz;
>  Gz uses his tail to knock the ball out of CB's hands;
      			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Actually, I thought Godz. was tossing up the ball in arrogant fashion

>  Gz slaps on Kareem/Olajuwon/Worthy goggles and taunts CB;
>  CB gets ball and dunks it through a conveniently mounted hoop on a
>    nearby skyscraper;
>  CB and Gz become pals and wander off into the sunset.

	Don't forget about a classic line at the end:
(Barkley to Godz : Ever think about wearing shoes? (!)

>Not bad I suppose, but for all the hype I expected more than a 30-second
>spot.  Actually what really caught my eye was the commercial right before it,
>an MTV spot where they edited the videos of Rodney King and Reginald Denny
>and replaced the people with animated paper sculptures.  Now _that_ was
>an excellent commercial

	An even better commercial is one I saw on MTV today featuring 
	CIndy Crawford doing a parody of Dennis Leary's Mtv commercials.
	Absolutely hilarious!

	Palam A. --- No .sig
From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT II?
Date: 5 Sep 1992 18:43:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, barkema0332@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:

>Quick question for all of us diehard b-ball fans.  With so much talk about the
>DT, which by the way was one of the greatest showcase of athletic talent ever
>seen on this planet, do you think that 4 years from now there will be a DT II 
>or have we proven our point.  Which is that no one in the world can come close
>to messing with the finest basketball players in the world which are found
>right here in the good old U.S.A.
>        Was just curious as to the response.
>

My understanding is that there will be NBA stars, but no members of DTI.
Larry's retired, Magic will be out before then, and Michael has already said
he wasn't going.


The current list of candidates for DTII include Shaq, Kendall Gill and Larry
Johnson of Charlotte, and Tim Hardaway of Golden State.  Of course the point
here is that four or five players that were expected to be on DTI weren't
there, so we'll just have to wait and see.

CHuck Gibbs
gibbsc@ac.grin.edu
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: The Two Trades
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:48:16 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Sep9.035400.15381@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

| 
| If Miami can get on Salley's good side (i.e., give him a fat contract
| extension) then they finally got the power forward to complement Rony
| Seikaly.  A starting five of Seikaly, Sally, Glen Rice, Harold Miner
| and Steven Smith sounds pretty good to me.  They might even contend
| for "best team in Florida."
| 

Sure the starting five sounds really good, but as I was listening to the
Miami broadcast as the trade was being made official, I first said,
"Great, a big man."  But now, who really on the front line is a scoring
force?  Seikaly...he can't dribble.  Salley....averages, what, a career
5 pts per game, or Grant Long.....he mostly an outside shooter.

The Heat is still going to rely on defense, the trade definitely upgrades
that area, but it still has to rely on Glen Rice and Steve Smith and guards
to be able to keep the score higher than there opponents.

I really think that Miami needed a power forward, but not for his defensive
abilities, but for his scoring.  This way the floor is spread having to cover
Smith from the outside, Rice from everywhere, and BIG-GUY on the inside.

BIG-GUY is yet to be named cause I don't think Salley is the answer.

The sports radio here in South Florida had Heat co-owner Lewis Schaffel(sp?)
commenting about the trade, and they asked him if "trading ears were now
closed?"  He naturally said that "trading ears are never closed", but I 
still have to think if something further is going to happen.  Hmmmm....

Overall though, Salley for Isaiah Morris and next year's #1, is excellent.
Morris is decent, developable, and next year's #1 should be around the
#15-20 pick, assuming the Heat improves a bit.

Yeah, Gidi, maybe we will be the best team in Florida....

Joe Sosa

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From: dstanzi@eng.clemson.edu (daniel stanzione)
Subject: Re: bulls draft info?
Reply-To: dstanzi@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:35:38 GMT



	Though the Bulls did trade Litterial Green, they also drafted 
Corey Williams, a guard from O.K. State, and they did give him a multi-year
deal.  I watche him play once or twice, but can't remember much about
him-- which tells you something about either Williams or my memory. I'm
pretty sure he was the PG.  He did, however, play with Byron Houston for
 a few years, so they can talk to each other on the bench.

				-Dan
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:35:31 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <5087@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.234139.15912@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>>With all that offensive talent on the  DT, versatility becomes a minor issue.
>>A dominant shot-blocker and rebounder would have made more of an impact, 
>>allowing the other players to focus more on their show-time offense.  Not 
>>that the DT lack shot-block or rebounding, but I think a guy like Shaq would
>>have given the DT more intensity on the defense.   
>
>Consider the problems that David Robinson and Patrick Ewing (and even Karl
>Malone) had in the Olympics and TOA.  The international game is not suited
>to their styles.  They had a lot of foul troubles.  Now consider Shaq, a
>much more raw talent.  He might have fouled out playing only 5 or 6 minutes
>a game!  Laettner's skills were simply better suited for the international
>game.  
>
>--Rob Clough

One would think that all the people who keep defending Laettner's
presence on the Dream team by recycling the same old crap about his
skills suiting the international game, never bothered to watch the
game.

The game involved quite a bit of fast breaks which didn't quite suite
Laettners skills either.  Part of the reason why those three didn't
show too well was because all three were playing center.  In other
words they were grabbing boards and throwing long outlets.  I also
don't think they put all that much effort into getting theirs.
Ewing and Robinson had the thumb problem and I don't think Karl quite
knew what to do as center.

You can't tell me that Barkley could muscle everyone for board when he
wanted them but none of those three could do it, especially Ewing and
Malone.  Maybe it was because Charles was practicing for his upcoming
battle with Godzilla.

As to the fouling out thing, they were the only ones that were really
playing D.  Everyone else tried it about once or twice.

The U.S. also never suffered from a lack of whatever Laettners skills
were or Shaq's for that matter.  Considering the injuries to the centers
and at the time the uncertainty of whether Robinson would be able to
play (thumb surgery).  Shaq would have made alot more sense.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Keywords: angry reply, freak, chill out
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:55:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep10.223515.14709@oracle.us.oracle.com> rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce) writes:
>	have a total of what, 1 maybe 2 NBA rings.  By the way, I do
>	watch quite a bit of hoop, but I play even more.  Which is 
>	more relevant to knowing the game?   Also, contrary to your 

As much as I hate to question somebody so well named (-:, I'm not sure
that playing a lot of basketball is more relevant to "knowing the game"
than watching it is. alot of professional players frequently demonstrate
little grasp of the game. I guarantee you that Gerald Wilkins has played
more hoop than anybody on this net, yet he shows time and time again that
he hasn't learned the importance of playing as part of a team.

You can understand the "feel" and emotions of the game better by playing,
but I truly believe you can know the game without playing it.

It helps to do both of course.


>
>			Russ




Russ Smith
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From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:30:00 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 I hear that Kevin Duckworth was rated last among NBA centers in
a recent issue of a basketball magazine (92-93 preview).

I find this is totally ridiculous.

Duckworth is a good, not great center who has faired well in
the last three or four years.(including a trip to the 90-91 all star game)           Although 91-92 might have been
his worst year in recent memory, he his still a force to
be rekoned with in the low post. 92-93 should be a rebound
year for Duckworth. I predict about 13 points a game, 5 rebounds and three assists.


HERE IS DUCKWORTH TO THE SPIN.........................................
............... YES , AND IT COUNTS !!!!!!!!!!! KEVIN DUCWORTH WITH A
SPECTACULAR LOW POST MOVE; AND THE BLAZERS LEAD IS NOW BY 10 POINTS
OVER THE BULLS.

                                  Marv Albert


Are there any other Duck watchers out there????????????????????????????
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Two Trades
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:58:27 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <BuBuFE.Eto@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	That's right.  I believe Reggie's senior season, the backcourt mates
>	of Pooh were Montel Hatcher and Dave Immel.  Good old J*** H***y was
>	the center!

Yep, that was after Corey Gaines had left for LMU so they used Monty and
Immel. Hatcher was the Byron Scott of college basketball, great leaper,
great shooter(even Reggie said Montel was the best shooter on the team),
quick but only a very average player, could do nothing off the dribble
(just like Byron). Immel was kind of an enigma, had a rep as a shooter
but it seemed like every other jumper was either an airball or a brick,
a local sportscaster once described him as "sort of a power guard".


J**K H***Y never played for UCLA(if I say it enough it will become a net.truth
right ?




Russ Smith
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From: lambo@chips.com (Lambert Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Summary: Someway somehow I had a feeling that we were getting to your idea
	 of Isiah being the best.
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:20:50 GMT
Organization: Chips and Technologies, San Jose, CA



Nothing personal about your decision or opinion to choose Isiah as the best
point guard in the NBA, but .........

 I agree in his prime he may have been one of the truly great point guards to   play this great game but at this stage of his career????????????

 At least I am willing to admit that I am Bias about Tim Hardaway because he    plays in my backyard.  Don't you think that you should really take a less
loyal stance (since you are from Michigan) and take a clearer look at the 
choices?  Marty do you really feel that Isiah is better than Tim Hardaway
or John Stockton. For that matter even Kevin Johnson. I do understand your      feelings on some situations involving stats being misleading but.....



  Granted this is a Warrior fan talking!  

       LAMBERT








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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Celtic Roster -- Who is on ...
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:38:09 GMT

In article 56089@uvmark.uucp, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>|
>|Unsigned players who might be : 
>|	Vrankovic - Doubtful, probably off to Europe
>|	Walter Berry, Joe Wolf - possible, but they also are reported to be
>|		going to Europe
>|	Jon Barry - unsigned, probably won't be...
>|

So what IS the scoop on Barry?  Is he being outrageous with his demands?  Is he nuts?
Did the Celtics draft him with trade in mind only to have the trade drop out on them?
Even though I am a big Jon Barry fan in college, I was pretty shocked with his 
ascendance to the first round.


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