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From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist)
Subject: Re: Recording steree 44Khz,, 16bit? Disk can't keep up.
Organization: Bell Northern Research
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:45:33 GMT

Why would it be a problem to record to disk?  At 44.1k 16bit samples/sec
you're bringing in 88.2k bytes per second (maybe x 2 = 176.4kbytes/sec
for stereo).

My IDE Quantum 240 gets rated at 1.2Mb/sec transfer rate, or about 5-6
times the data rate for sampling the sound.  So the data transfer
shouldn't be a problem.  I think...

Perhaps it's the constant seeking of the heads from FAT (to get a new
cluster) and then back to the actual data area on the disk?  This 
could amount to an average 32ms (16ms x 2 for my drive) delay between every
n bytes (where n is the cluster byte size [4096 ?]).  So, if you're
bringing in 176k (say 44 odd clusters), you've got an average overhead of
44x32ms = 1408ms or 1.4 seconds!  So for every second of sampling,
you lose 1.4 seconds due to seeks (obviously, you can't get ahead).
Even which large caches, the disk has to do a physical write sometime.

Does this make sense?  Or am I off base?  I haven't tried this yet
or done any measurements, but it seems to make some sense.

A solution could be to write a simple util using int 13 to do 
direct disk writes to what you know is a contiguous free space
on the hard drive while sampling the data, thus eliminating the
constant head thrashing.  After the sampling is done the util
could go to the FAT and generate the cluster list for the used
space.  Sort of dangerous, but it can be done if you're careful.

Of course, an easier solution is to setup a large RAM disk assuming
you have enough RAM to fit the sample size you want.

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From: jonas.fogelberg@udac.uu.se (Jonas Fogelberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Windows SoundBlaster drivers for MCA-bus?
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:08:21 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala University, Sweden


Does anyone know where I can find Windows drivers for SoundBlaster MCA. If
I try to install the card using the Windows default drivers SoundBlaster 1.5 
or SoundBlaster 1.0, Windows reports that these drivers are not compatible
with the MCA version of the SoundBlaster card (only with the ISA version).

I am in a tight situation, so calling Creative Labs now to get the updated
drivers will take too long time. If you have these drivers or if you now of
any ftp site to download them from, please respond!

Thanks!!!

Jonas

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Tim Tschirner)
Subject: New PAS-16 drivers
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 09:20:59 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

Hi !

Can anyone tell me if the new PAS-16 drivers (V1.4) are already out and if so
if they are available via anonymous ftp ? From germany it`s not very cheap and
easy to download something from a BBS in the United States...
If someone should have these new drivers, maybe he can uuencode and mail them
to me?

Thanx in advance,
          
       Tim Tschirner

ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
From: mcmanus@wpi.WPI.EDU (Pat McManus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Help! My SB doesn't work.
Date: 14 Sep 1992 14:17:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Summary: Original Soundblaster won't work in 486
Keywords: 386 486 no sound SB

Wow, I could really use some help on this one. I had a 386SX-16 with
an original soundblaster. All was well in the world. Then I got cute
and purchased a 486-33 and all I can get is big time static. I can have
every card in the machine taken out (with the exception of the SB) and
as soon as I turn it on static comes pouring from the speakers.

Oh yeah, the card is still fine. It has since been succesfully tested in
both another 486-33, and an 8088.

Help! I don't know what to try next.


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From: remek@mamura.ee.mu.oz.au (Remek Lipinski)
Subject: Gravi Ultrasound, Gravis Address
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:24:48 GMT

	Hi, I was wondering if the Gravis card has actually been reliesed
yet, and if so if anyoue has got one and what are their impressins.
Secondly, I would very much appreciate any info regarding Gravis the company
mainly their address, as I know someone who is interrested in selling the
cards in Australia. Any information would be grately appreciated.
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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: EA/Gravis Ultrasound offer
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:04:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep9.160403.20866
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <oefKkWK00WB6FIh6cl@andrew.cmu.edu> na0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nicolas Alejandro Arauz) writes:
>That sounds pretty fantastic, $99 for the UltraSound.  How much is the
>sound card without this offer?  I'd figure it would be somewhere near
>the PAS-16, in the $200+ range?  Thanks!

I heard CompuUSA would be carrying it for $124.  As of friday, they didn't
know that the card had been released.  When I told the sales guy, he made
a note to check into it.  So they might take orders now.

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From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Noise-free soundcards
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:19:39 GMT
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.

I have tried both SoundBlaster Pro and Thunderboard cards in my 386-25.
They both produce a great deal of background noise from normal computer
activities like computation and disk IO.
Are there any boards that will solve this problem, or is this somehow the
fault of my computer?
 
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IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: PAS 16 Programming / Complaint
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:20:42 GMT
Organization: RAND

Craig,

I wonder how many non-disclosure agreements you've read before.  I've
not read this one in particular, but from your description it sounds
pretty typical.  The idea of the agreement is to give MV complete
control over the use of the information while still allowing you
to /develop/ software for the PAS.  That's the first step.  Once
you decide to /market/ your software, you have to negotiate a further
agreement with them.

Welcome to the lawyer-bound 1990's...

It is in their interest to have you develop software for the PAS, and
to market it.  But it is also in their interest to control just who
gets programming information.  They already claim to have been stung by
Creative Lab's placing a logic bomb in the SoundBlaster development
library that detects a PAS and "malfunctions."

Agreed, the agreement pretty much nukes the idea of creating
distributable sourcecode or libraries.  And I don't like this any more
than you do.  But it doesn't sound like the agreement prevents you from
developing software for personal use--after all, they can't require
that your "development" go into the marketing phase.  And the business
about them being able to require you to destroy any information or
software based on that information is simply an enforcement mechanism
that any business lawyer worth his salt would write into such an
agreement.  The chance of them invoking it, assuming you stick to the
rest of the agreement, is probably close to zero.

Personally, I'd prefer no non-disclosure agreements at all, and sale
of programming information to all comers at a reasonable price.  But
given that MV has decided to play the non-disclosure game, I don't
see anything wrong with the way they are playing it.

In other words, I think that complaining that the agreement is too
restrictive is barking up the wrong tree.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.music.notation,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 14:18:28 -0400 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Music composition software for AdLib compatible cards

I am interested in a program which displays and prints musical notation 
and also plays it on an AdLib compatible card  (Sound Blaster).  
I only have CGA graphics and not enough memory or CPU to run Windows.

I understood that at one time AdLib themselves put out such a program, 
but the number I was given by a salesman at a computer store doesn't work.

Any hints would be appreciated.

Steve Timm

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Subject: Soundblaster 2 voxkit driver.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:50 GMT


Hello,
	I have the Creative Labs Soundblaster V2.0/
I am trying to use the VOXKIT package.
It is Creative labs Voice Kit v1.53.
The machine I have is a 486DX/33 with 4Mb ram, and the SBcard is installed
on all the default values, 220h, irq7, dma1, t3.

The trouble is, VOXKIT does not work!!
Every time I try to use it, it barfs out with the error message;

	Wrong Driver Version or Driver Initialisation Error.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening??

Thanks,
		Gavin.


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From: lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade)
Subject: Do Sierra games support the Ultrasound well?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:25:16 GMT

This question may be premature, but does anyone know if Sierra Online
(Kings Quest, Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards,
and other "educational" games) will support the Ultrasound.  If the
answer is "yes" but only through emulation modes, do you think that
the emulation will be fast enough and good enough?

Patrick

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From: kevin@horizon.COM (Kevin Criqui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: WANTED: Used SB or compatible sound card
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:22 GMT
Organization: Science Horizons Inc. - Encinitas, CA

If you've got one for sale, drop me a note.

	_kevin
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From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Unknow jumpers in SB 2.0
Date: 6 Sep 1992 14:56:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi everybody, I'm the owner of a SoundBlaster 2.0 card.  There are three
jumpers in that card not mentioned in the manual, I supose they're for
technical service but I'm curious about them.  They're JP12 and JP13, I don't
remember the number of the other one but it is located close to the CT1351 chip
Does anybody knows what are this jumpers for?
Thanks in advance!

Juan Leon
jleon@usc.edu
From: paulwang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Paul Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: EA/Gravis Ultrasound offer
Date: 11 Sep 1992 03:50:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep8.162047.23828@lclark.edu} harrison@sun.lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:

}Might and Magic
} Clouds of Xeen		$70
}Might and Magic III

According to EA, they're no longer affliated with New World Computing
(or something like that) so you the Might and Magic series are
no longer part of this offer.


Paul Wang
paulwang@ocf.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: Alfred.Kayser@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Alfred Kayser)
Subject: Re: Parallel port DAC: summary
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:51:10 GMT

mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:

>In <92247.084434MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu> Matthew E. Bernold <MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>There are several programs that I know of that support output on a DAC.  There
>>are probably more, but these are the ones I know of:
>     There's the SPUTTER series of programs.  These can talk to just
>about any device out there, including an arbitrary port addressed
>DAC.  I use SPUT to talk to the resistor-ladder DAC I have on LPT2.
Where is it?

(Microsoft is being silly indeed...)

>     I suggest you call Disney's BBS @ 818-567-4027 and download the
>Windows driver for the Disney Sound Source.  It's a parallel port DAC
>with some extra control circuitry to gate it on and off.  Works fine
>with a normal DAC that doesn't include such nonsense.  Recommended.
Can someone post it on usenet (it can't be too big)??

Thanks in advance, Alfred
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ptran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: Gravis Ultrasound... Some more info...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:48:06 GMT

In article <PJA.92Sep13150531@vipunen.hut.fi> pja@vipunen.hut.fi (Petri Juhani Jarre) writes:
>In article <BuH4Cx.35t@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>>   it fundamentally lacks.  Like I said in my post... "while the other
>>   soundcard manufacturers are just putting 16-bit DACs on their boards,
>>   Gravis has a 32-voice 16-bit synthesizer on theirs"
>
>Synthesizer? To me Gravis "synthesizer" sounds like sample playback
>hardware/firmware. Gravis can play back multisamples with one loop,
>right? Any filters, envelopes, LFOs, ..., any sound manipulation or
>modulation capabilities (== synth) whatsoever? No? 
>

The Ultrasound does have modulation capabilities.  To what extent, I
do not know.  Perhaps Johan will catch this message and provide us
with the technicalities.  The Ultrasound is not just a raw sample
playback device.

Phat.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Complaints: Pro Audio Spectrum 16
From: robert@hektar.welly.gen.nz (Robert Ruthven)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:46:30 GMT
Reply-To: robert@hektar.welly.gen.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Strange Software


In article <1992Sep12.222140.6551@ecst.csuchico.edu> rmintz@ecst.csuchico.edu writes:

This is the second serious complaint I've seen about the PAS 16.  Is there
something wrong with this card?  Doesn't it live up to expectations?

 > With all its flaws, I don't know that there's a better sound card out
 > there than the PAS 16. The Sound Blaster Pro is a lot worse.

How can you justify that a SBPro is worse than a PAS 16?  I've been able
to modify waveforms, properly mix two channels together to create a
stereo signal (albeit at 22kHz), all on a 286-16.

 >                                                              Maybe an
 > efficient computerized system for the PC that will mix, digitize, and
 > allow manipulation of audio signals is too much to expect at this
 > point in time.

Yes.  You are expecting far too much, unless you are prepared to move
away from the PC environment.  I'd love to have a play with a NeXT -
I've heard that it has incredible sound.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 22:31:58 -0400 
From: Jordan Powell Hargrave <jh5y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Do Sierra games support the Ultrasound well?


  I'd expect all you'd need would be the sound driver, as the SoundBlaster
driver worked with Sierra games that came out before it was released.

 Jordan Hargrave (also waiting impatiently for the 'RSN' release of the GUS)
From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Dion Francois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: EA/Gravis Ultrasound offer
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:56:08 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <BuEBMt.DC5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>Isn't Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (the Ultrasound version) supposed to
>ship FREE with the card?
>
>Phat.

It's only with the limited edition version of the Ultrasound. (retail 229$
instead of 199$).

Ciao,
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From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Dion Francois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Recording steree 44Khz,, 16bit? Disk can't keep up.
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:49:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Sep10.164533.23213@bnr.ca> tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist) writes:
>Why would it be a problem to record to disk?  At 44.1k 16bit samples/sec
>you're bringing in 88.2k bytes per second (maybe x 2 = 176.4kbytes/sec
>for stereo).

Some programs use 2:1 or 3:1 compression on the fly. but, read on...

>
>Perhaps it's the constant seeking of the heads from FAT (to get a new
>cluster) and then back to the actual data area on the disk?  This 
>could amount to an average 32ms (16ms x 2 for my drive) delay between every
>n bytes (where n is the cluster byte size [4096 ?]).  So, if you're
>bringing in 176k (say 44 odd clusters), you've got an average overhead of
>44x32ms = 1408ms or 1.4 seconds!  So for every second of sampling,
>you lose 1.4 seconds due to seeks (obviously, you can't get ahead).
>Even which large caches, the disk has to do a physical write sometime.

I have done direct to disk recording on a Mac II ( the first generation) on
a 28 ms disk without any problem (with a sampler card at 16 bits and 44Khz
in stereo, without any compression). So i don't see why you couldn't do that.
BTW, what kind of machine do you have?

>
>Does this make sense?  Or am I off base?  I haven't tried this yet
>or done any measurements, but it seems to make some sense.
>
>A solution could be to write a simple util using int 13 to do 
>direct disk writes to what you know is a contiguous free space
>on the hard drive while sampling the data, thus eliminating the
>constant head thrashing.  After the sampling is done the util
>could go to the FAT and generate the cluster list for the used
>space.  Sort of dangerous, but it can be done if you're careful.

A permanent swap file under Unix or Windows is exactly that.

>
>Of course, an easier solution is to setup a large RAM disk assuming
>you have enough RAM to fit the sample size you want.

Assuming you are under Windows, you can't access more than 16 Mb. Under dos,
ramdrive has a limitation also ( can't remember but i think it's around 8 Mb.
Solution: Unix or OS/2. Anyway, you better have lots of floppies if you want
to save that!

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From: pasky@cg-atla.UUCP (Robert Pasky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: EA/Gravis Ultrasound offer
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:40:35 GMT
Reply-To: pasky@cg-atla.UUCP (Robert Pasky)
Organization: Agfa Compugraphic Division

In article <10099@cg-atla.UUCP> pasky@cg-atla.UUCP (Robert Pasky) writes:
>I've got EA's brochure in front of me, so...
>
>Here's the offer:
>
>Special Soundcard Offer --
>SAVE $100 OR MORE! New Gravis UltraSound(tm) Exclusive
>$99 Price with purchase of any of these games. Regularly $199.95

To follow up on my own message...
I called EA today (9/9/92) to place my order and the salesperson
said they were *still* waiting on Gravis to send them the boards.
She had no idea when they would be getting them, either, and that
they had ordered (only!) 100 of them (of course, this last part
may just be sales-hype: get your order in now 'cause we only have
a few left.)

One more note (to discourage all of you from swamping EA with
orders so I'll have a chance at the first batch of 100 ;-)):
"None of the games in this offer take full advantage of Gravis'
capabilities" (EA salesperson approx. quote). I.e., they are
AdLib/SB compatible, period. But you knew that, didn't you.

-- Bob

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From: bobt@cognex.uucp (Bob Tillman)
Subject: Re: Recording steree 44Khz,, 16bit? Disk can't keep up.
Organization: Cognex Corp., Needham, Mass
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:21:43 GMT


I seem to recall that the original poster mentioned that he was using
Stacker.  If so, I would think that this could significantly degrade
disk performance.

A thousand pardons if I'm remembering incorrectly.

cheers,
Bob Tillman
cognex!bobt@ai.mit.edu
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From: kwf7162@venus.tamu.edu (FOSKETT, KEVIN WAYNE)
Subject: Need a better voc player for the PAS!!!HELP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:18:00 GMT

Looking for a .voc player for my PAS16 soundcard.  The PLAYFILE player
that came with it plays wav files just fine and can play voc files as
well but, comparing it to the VPLAY player that I had when I was using a
SoundBlaster Pro, it is kinda meek. The vocs, when played by PLAYFILE just
dont sound as loud, clean, and forward as on the SoundBlasterPro. 
Any suggestions on how to get those voc files sounding like they did on
my SoundBlasterPro?
Just email me with any info, please.


Thanks,
kwf7162@venus.tamu.edu
Kevin


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:29:57 -0400 
From: Nicolas Alejandro Arauz <na0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Gravis UltraSound??!?

So, will someone explain this to me?  If the Gravis UltraSound card is
supposed to be so much better than the PAS-16, then how come it is SO
MUCH cheaper.  It retails for I think $199.95.  The PAS-16 retails I
believe for almost twice that!  I almost feel as if I'll be missing a
DAC or something!
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