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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: okra pickles, raspberry muffins, & JimGuy
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:11:42 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Frank Swilling (minotaur@cup.portal.com) 
ventured forth into new culinary territory:

> > I just discovered Talk O' Texas (Hot) Crisp Okra Pickles, 
> > and I am hooked.  The flavor, the texture, the peppery 
> > piquancy of the pickling juice ...
 
Leading Ellen Keyne Seebacher (elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu) to ask:

> So give, Frank -- where are you getting these treasures?  
> (Signed, a Displaced Texan.)

Well Ellen, I hope you won't feel silly, but 
this past Saturday I was at my local Safeway
and bought a jar of these delightful treats.
[They were also available in mild, although
the "hot" didn't strike me as such.]  They
are indeed very tasty, and the picture of the
cute little cow-poke throwing his lasso on
the top of the jar is just too twee for words.

It was a rather eventful night, that Safeway
night.  Originally I ventured out to get all
the necessaries for making bran muffins, this 
because Wayne has *guaranteed* that bran muffins 
are prime bear food.  I also got raspberries to
add to the muffins.  [Obviously, because a 
certain bear of my acquaintance has mentioned
a fondness for raspberries.]

Sometime soon I intend to try Ailsa's favorite
recipe for Egg Nog Muffins; until then, I will
work my wiles with the Raspberry-Bran Muffins.
The latter turned out rather well, in fact,
although their suitability for their express
purpose is yet to be demonstrated.

This seemed to be an evening at the Safeway to
Say It With T-Shirts.  I felt very bold indeed
wearing my Baltimore Eagle t-shirt, although in
fact no one seemed to pay any attention.  Maybe
I'm not one for understated fashions.

[Alright, so I'm no Arnold Zwicky, but with a 
nod of appreciation to my inspiration, I will
point out that I have a tendency to test cold
water with a toe before jumping in.]

I think the winner of that evening's contest
goes to the man wearing the t-shirt that said:

	Black by Nature, Proud by Choice

By golly, if there isn't a good lesson there,
I'll eat my muffins.

It was while the muffins were in the oven that
I got a note from JimGuy.  You may remember
when I mentioned that Jim and Ed had gone to
Wisconsin to see Jim's mother.  His note
reported that her health is very bad indeed,
and he and Ed have decided to move there.

At the end of this week.

Now, I've only seen JimGuy once since we
deitemized, we've talked and written every
now and then.  The latter remain possible,
of course, so in truth, then, I'll probably 
barely notice his absence from Baltimore.

It's difficult for me to figure out why his
news makes me so sad.  JimGuy is the man I 
count as my first real lover; our time together
was brief, but I discovered so much in his
company.  I guess that place for him in my 
heart is still rather tender.

And now it feels rather like an old, familiar
building in the neighborhood is being torn
down.

Fare well, Jim.

--jns
From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Phil Donahue lives in an alternate universe
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:34:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.132007.16184@Princeton.EDU> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
>On yesterday's (9/28) Donahue show about the lesbian wedding announcement
>in Austin, Texas, Donahue showed a map of the U.S. with the title,
>"Domestic Partnership Recognition in the United States."  The map
>indicated that the following states have laws recognizing domestic
>partnerships: Hawaii, Washington, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
                                               ^^^^^^^^^

Minnesota, as a state, does NOT have a domestic partnership law.  Only
the city of Minneapolis has a domestic partnership recognition law.  It
doesn't amount to much as far as benefits are concerned, but it is a 
start.


-- Chris

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Medtronic, Inc.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:56:27 GMT

In article <lchdvvINNpjs@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>That is an understatement.  However, when I last talked to him, he
>did not miss soc.motss too much, so I wouldn't hold my breath for
>his return.
>
>FWA

I read less than 2% of motss article, thanks to my patented KILL file:

/Solbourne/a:j:M
/Denver/a:j:M
/Boulder/a:j:M
/gerber/a:j:M
/chorus/a:j:M
/gamit/a:j:M
/scout/a:j:M
/FWA/a:j:M
/^/j

Explanation:

/Solbourne/a:j:M
	Mark to be read anything referring to my place of work 
/Denver/a:j:M
	same for Denver
/Boulder/a:j:M
	same for Boulder
/gerber/a:j:M
	same for my name
/chorus/a:j:M
	same for "chorus"
/gamit/a:j:M
	same for "gamit" (MIT's gay student group)
/scout/a:j:M
	same for "scout"
/FWA/a:j:M
	same for "FWA".  There is one word in the english
	language which contains the sequence of letters "fwa".
	Do you know what it is? [No cheating with webster, now...]
/^/j
	junk everything else.

This marks to be read usually about one out of every 50 or so
articles. Sure I miss important stuff, but I get those things that
directly apply to me and where I live.

Works for me.

-- 
/-----------------------------------------------------------------/
/ Andy Gerber		     / gerber@solbourne.com [for a while] /
/ ParcPlace Boulder, formerly Solbourne Software Business Unit    /
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: demuffining
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:16:49 GMT

frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.013951.6901@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>Not that I'm disagreeing with Ry, cause I wouldn't want anyone not to
>like me, but I'd just like to say, if I may, that maybe if Jeff just
>looked beneath the surface of what Roger is really trying to say and,
>you know, really got into it, he, Jeff, that is, might see what Roger
>is really saying to him, which I'm sure is just really a heartfelt
>effort to help Jeff and make him a better person and all that. Sure,
>Roger can sound a little gruff at times -- not that I'm criticizing
>Roger, you understand -- but his tone, you know, his style, might be
>misunderstood by someone new who hasn't read a lot of Roger's earlier
>messages, which of course we all have and for which of course we thank
>him, even if -- and no criticism here either -- we kind of wish maybe
>they weren't quite so, you know, butch?

>This is just my opinion, of course, so don't flame me, please.

You stupid fuck! He shouldn't have to... and the other one... but... guh...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

(and you wonder why people won't trust you homosexuals (I'm straight,
you know) around their children, pets, and appliances. Sickos. Pinkos.
Cocksuckers, all. But I don't hate you, I just think you shouldn't
try to make everyone embrace your perversity like you guys do. And
please quit phoning me and attempting to overthrow the local government.)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:42:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep29.190250.23521@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep29.151646.21504@osf.org> coren@osf.org
>>Oh, well, this really doesn't count.  Just about anybody
>>was likely to get into a pissing match with Clay Bond.(*)
>>And others generally sided with him because, despite his
>>often-abrasive manner (and apart from an unaccountable
>>adoration for the works of Richard Strauss :-)), Clay was
>>usually Right.
>
>However, dearest Robert, on the subject of Richard Strauss,
>especially his operas Elektra, Salmoe, and Die Frau ohne
>Schatten, I think Clay's adoration is more than
>well-founded, since I share his taste for them.  I was in
>high school the first time I heard Elektra, and I will admit
>to being completely unable to see that it *was* something,
>not even singing, as I heard it then.  Like a lot of things,
>one needs some familiarity with what it's *really* all about
>to see what's going on in there (I'm speaking of myself, not
>you, of course).  More than 40 years later I can't imagine
>that I knew as little about singing or about opera as I did
>then, a deficiency I've taken a few steps to remedy, in the
>interval.
>
The only truly obstinate characteristic possessed by Clay (and
now, seemingly, by Jess as well!) is the failure to recognise
the musical and moral superiority of bel canto. 


>>>But you should think about what you are
>>>saying, objectively, because it is not too clever."
>
>>That fact that people troubled to do this is a sure sign
>>that you evinced at least some small spark of intelligence.
>
>More than, I thought, but I'm prejudiced in his favor.
>
>>I confess that I don't remember *any* of this, but it all
>>sounds quite plausible.
>
>I do remember it, but not the casus belli, fortunately.
>
>-- 
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Don't "follow your bliss." If you "follow your bliss," you will either
collide with someone else's bliss or you will fall into a deep hole.

				-from 'The Anti-Campbell'
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Ours flamb'e
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:44:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <66703@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) 
writes:
>
>You got that right, bud.  That heat wave in San Francisco
>yesterday was radiating out from my house.

OK, folks, stop upsetting Frank.  It was a record-high-for-the-date 93 
degrees yesterday.  That might not seem so bad compared to, say, Phoenix, 
but the mean temperature in San Francisco in September is 64 degrees. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.043351.24473@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct5.192029.24632@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
>(Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>_Trust me on this_: the dangers of antibiotic supplementation come not
>>from any residues in the dairy or meat of such animals, but from their
>>effect on the development of antibiotic resistance in the larger
>>bacterial pool in the environment at large.
>
>It's not clear to me what you just said.  How does the
>antibiotics get spread around?  You mean just from their
>normal use as medicines?

It's not the antibiotics which are spread around, it's the disease
resistance.  You know how they tell you "be sure to take the whole
prescription, even if you feel better", when you get penicillin?  If you take 
half the dose, you may not kill off some bacteria which are partially 
resistant - survival of the fittest in action.  If you pass those bacteria 
along to someone else, you've spread a drug-resistant infection.  The MDR TB 
which is going around now is probably a result of people not taking their TB 
drugs properly.  

"But those are cow bacteria!", you say.  Yes, but drug resistance can be
passed between different types of bacteria.   Low level doses of drugs in
animals can create drug resistance in the bacteria which infect
those animals, and that resistance can be passed to bacteria which infect
humans, making disease treatment more difficult. 

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna bashing
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct2.035242.29037
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <67023@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Hmm....Well, OK......But honestly, it was so crowded outside
>>I don't see how anyone would have room to do anything.
>
>The most interesting part was done while it was too busy for the
>bar staff to bother with us, but before the place got PACKED.

So you got your wish, George?  I wish I'd been there.
I'd love to know why the Lone Star, for all its faux
outlaw posing, seems as prim as a ladies auxiliary meeting
when it comes to getting down and dirty.

>Ah, Bear Soup, one of my favorite dishes.  ;-{)##]  I'm sorry
>I didn't meet up with you too; after a day of tramping about
>(in a variety of ways), a nice hot-tub soak would have been bliss.

Next time, try a sitz bath.  Works in the smallest of apartments. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: sexual orientation clause
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:47:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.175548.3042@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct1.164848.6486@nevada.edu>
>balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>
>>Nevada is one of the worst states wrt ant-homosexual/
>>bisexual laws, and they *do* enforce them to a degree. 
>
>Well, I'm sure all that desert has something to do with it,
>you know, dry heat and all.  Lots of bugs would be
>frustrated.  Think how those tiny toes must burn, cruisin'
>around out there, miles from anywhere, in the heat of the
>day.  And at night, well, I mean, it's the opposite extreme.
>Besides, they probably wouldn't do that perverse stuff if
>they'd just find the right sugar-pie.  *I* wouldn't, no way!
>Don't know, though, sure does seem to be gettin' popular,
>huh?

Despicable little creatures, really.  They scurry about, invading
homes, troubling families with bad decor.  Filthy little buggers.



Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: sexual orientation clause
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.174654.13113@bradley.bradley.edu>, larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>
> 09/28/92
> 
>   List of organizations who either have a "sexual orientation" clause
>as part of policy or are subject to laws relating to "sexual orientation"
>as reported to this editor and through the generous contribution of 
>Jeff Jones of the University of Kentucky.

>Corrections and contributions should be mailed to:
>     larry@bradley.bradley.edu
>
>UNIVERSITIES/COLLEGES/EDUCATIONAL
>

>Nevada, University of, Las Vegas-Reno    NV


This semester the University published this really slick looking
booklet covering University Standards, etc.  Near the end was
a section on harassment and discrimination.  While in the past I
have seen printed policy on Sexual Orientation, this publication
did not include it, and it included everything else you can think
of.  I'm going down to the Minority Affairs office and ask, but
I suspect UNLV should be removed from this list. As most of us
are aware, Nevada is one of the worst states wrt ant-homosexual/
bisexual laws, and they *do* enforce them to a degree. 



Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Fun! Joan Crawford Recipes!
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:40:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


Oooh, ooh, somebody else who knows about my favorite book!

In article <1992Sep25.113232.6779@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>In article <19r3gaINNqhb@mizar.usc.edu>,
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) delights us with yet
>more gems from the jeweled pen of Joan Crawford.  Until
>now I have been greedy and selfish, taking these
>treasures of philosophy and advice and offering nothing in
>return.  But who, outside of the world of opera, has the
>insight, experience, and attitude to compete with that
>of the resplendent Miss Crawford?
>
>I may have found a candidate:  Madame Genevieve Antoine
>Dariaux who, in 1964, published the ultimate compendium
>of ex cathedra pronouncements:  _Elegance_, subtitled
>"A compelete guide for every woman who wants to be well and
>properly dressed on all occasions."  From the subtitle to
>the index the book never falters in its clenched-teeth,
>chin-up, I-am-superior-to-you-ha-ha air.

No, no, it assumes that you *want* to be just as elegant
as Mme. Dariaux, unlike the people who didn't even bother
to buy her book.  Her readers are merely ignorant; the rest
are boors.  My own favorite section is "Folklore", which
explains why you should never, never, never wear lederhosen
unless you're actually on an Alp at the time.
             
I used to think the white-shoes-only-between-Memorial-Day-
and-Labor-Day rule was arcane; Mme. Dariaux, going much farther,
enlightens one on why one must never wear printed silk in the city, or
diamonds before the age of thirty, or comfortable clothes at any time.
 She also has important tips on color-coordinating your negligee and
sheets in the maternity ward, so that your visitors will see you only
at your best.  (Hint:  Bring several matched sets.)

I love old etiquette books.  One of my favorites, which I often
referred to during the Nancy Reagan era, was an 1879-model-year
*Etiquette* that explained that the First Lady (that is, the woman who
took precedence of all others) of Washington, D.C. was the wife of the
Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.  If only this custom had
persisted, we could have been spared all the horrors in the Hall of
First Ladies, since Chief Justices are inaugurated far more rarely
than Presidents.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Nao Parkhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: speculative fiction w/non straight folks
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:41:54 GMT
Organization: SWIL-when reality isn't enough

I'm jumping into the middle of this discussion (being new to soc.motss), &
haven't seen all the posts, so forgive me if I repeat anything....

Somebody posted about _Worlds Apart_, which is what immediately sprang into
my mind....

I read (a while ago, and I don't remember if I liked it or not) an sf novel
called _Ethan of Athos_, whose main character comes from a planet of all
men. Homosexual couples who raise genetically engineered children. Don't
remember the author; also don't remember if it's any good or not.

Marion Zimmer Bradley's later Darkover books. (Particularly the ones with
the Free Amazons, many of whom are lesbian or bi). She has some negative
homosexual characters, sometimes, but I also recall (again, been awhile)
some positive ones. It varies immensely from book to book.

Somebody mentioned Diane Duane's _So You Want to be a Wizard..._ young
adult fantasy trilogy. I personally think that there is one gay couple in
there -- the two male wizards who live together and are mentors for the
three kids. It's never explicitly stated that they are more than roomies,
but I"ve always liked to make the assumption. Especially since she's
written a fantasy series, two of whose main characters are gay, and one of
whom is bi/lesbian (can't remember off the top of my head which.) The books
whose titles I remember are _Door into Fire_ and (I *think*) _Door into
Stone_.

If you're into fantasy, try Mercedes Lackey's stuff (I personally tend to
think of much of her writing as pleasant mind-candy, but some of it's
reasonably well-written.) Or Jane Yolen's _White Jenna_ books (I *like*
these a lot).


Don't recall anything else off the top of my head, but I'm sure I know of
more. I'll check my bookshelves.

Nao Parkhurst (the Bi-Naomi-al. I had to make that pun at LEAST once!  :)
nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.191625.2062@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>"Vegetables make me hot, meat makes me vomit".

You should work on that gag reflex, and just wait until Cretin Clamour
hears about this.  That's even worse than liking kids.  you pervo.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 92 14:27:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67105@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct3.062042.25214@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>I don't remember what you said, George, other than you're a
>fashion victim of a different kind.  I think that's fine.
 
I don't particularly like that phrase, but then the only time
I feel like a "victim" w/r/to clothing is when all the local
stores within easy reach are out of my size of 501's. ;-)
 
() On the whole human beings want to be good, but not too
() good and not quite all the time.
()      -- George Orwell, collected essays
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:44:21 GMT

anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>Do you have a favorite sex toy? Have you ever given a sex toy a nickname?
>>What criterion do you use in choosing a sex toy (besides size, of course) -
>>does color come into consideration? Heft? Smell? Have you ever used sex
>>toys in your decorating?
> Well, it depends.  Usually, I could care less about color, but heft does
>indeed make a difference, if it's a heavier dildo, it's easier to use
>usually in my expereinces, but lighter ones are more fun on other people, 

Re: heft --- I once saw a butt plug SO LARGE (about 1 1/2' high and maybe
0.8' thick), that my first though was "I could take a drill to
that and with some epoxy and wiring turn it into an interesting table
lamp..."  (It was blue by the way).


Well it *was*.

BBC