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From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian Team
Date: 2 Oct 1992 16:48:15 -0500
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  I simply CANNOT figure out why Bannerjee made it into the team - on a certain
planet called IIT Bombay this would be called THE classic "ghiss". I'm taxing
my memory slightly - Bannerjee played (probably) one Test in Australia. On
debut, he took the first 3 wickets in the Aussie innings to fall - yet did'nt
get any bowling chances in the second (ah - my memory comes back - Border 
rescues Aus in the second inning after the discovery of Ravi Shastri, the
bowler - Sydney Test?). Even in the first innings Bannerjee did'nt get too much
of a bowl - obviously Azhar does'nt think too much of him. I personally don't
think too much of him either - he's too slow to be effective - and he does'nt
have the Roger-Binny-in-England-or-Australia type swing capabilities to make an
impression. Well, actually I don't think too much of Srinath either - the only
time he impressed me was in a particular one-dayer against WI - when at the end
of his first 3 overs his figures read 3-3-0-1 (Lara) - and the batsmen WERE all
at sea -- but that was it; soon it was back to short-outside-the-off-stump, @@@
@@@@@ -- camers pans to Srinath who has his hands on his hips and a look of
total anguish on his face. Anyway, some net lords seem to love him (Azhar
definitely seemed to) - so I shall get back to Bannerjee. Yes, he's the sole
East Zone representative - the East Zone selector must have gone home a mentally
satisfied man - satisfied at having done his "job".
  Other minor cribs - the non-inclusion of Kambli and perhaps Maninder (I
personally think that as of today Raju is a better bowler - 5 years ago Maninder
was India's best spinner - but the place of a certain Ravi Shastri was at stake 
......). Spots of joy - Raman (India's answer to David Gower) and Jadeja (most
impressive in the WC game against Pakistan); also a hint that Shastri (probably
the best opener in the world in Test cricket over the last couple of years) will
finally be opener forever. Absolute grief - Chetan Sharma - this is not a 
"future prospect". There's half a dozen people who could have been chosen over
Chetan Sharma and Bannerjee (if Srinath on this tour performs as well as in 
Australia then he should also go).
  Zonal representation:
 North 5
 South 5
 West 4
 Central 1
 East 1
 What days have befallen the North Zone - in the good old days they had to have
as many as the West; now there's the South to contend with. Still the North Zone
selector made sure no other Zone selector got more of "his" boys into the team 
than he did.
Enjoy,
Sudhama
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Re: Best england XI since 1970
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:05:42 GMT

In article <1acqmoINN3nk@aludra.usc.edu> vnesiah@usc.edu (Deep Third Man) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.133741.9480@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>After the worst England XI since 1970 here's the best one (IMHO)
>
>>1. Geoff Boycott (Yorkshire)
>>2. Graham Gooch (Essex)
>>3. David Gower (Leicestershire/Hampshire)
>>4. Derek Randall (Nottinghamshire)
>>5. Tony Greig (Sussex)
>>6. Ian Botham (Somerset/Worcestershire/Durham)
>>7. Alan Knott (Kent) (wk)
>>8. Ray Illingworth (Yorkshire/Leicestershire) (captain)
>>9. Derek Underwood (Kent)
>>10. John Snow (Sussex/Warwickshire)
>>11. Bob Willis (Surrey/Warwickshire)
>>12th man Mike Gatting (Middlesex)
>
>Gooch over Amiss?
>
	I think I would take Gooch over Amiss - don't know about their
records but Gooch in the past few years has been awesome. There might be
something in the suggestion to push him to one drop and include both , tho.


>Did Cowdrey play in the early 70s? 
>
>Can't you think of somebody else?
>
	He did, but most of his best cricket was before then.
 
>I say make Randall the 12th man and put a specialist bat in there.
>
>Push Gooch down a peg if you have to.
>

	Agree here, or maybe Gatting instead of Randall ?

>Willis is also not a good choice IMHO. 
>
>No better than Lever.
>
>Pringle (Derek) at his best (mid 80s) would have been a better choice.
>

	Disagree strongly here !! I mean, I don't think you can compare
Willis and Lever, and certainly not Pringle !! I like Pringle, a bit of a
fan actually. But how can you compare him to Willis ? I mean, Willis does
have about 325 test wickets after all. 


			Sadiq [ selector ] Yusuf
 
>No arguement with your other selections.
>
>
>
>- Vaseeharan
>
>


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From: aksimha@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt)
Subject: Tragedy strikes B.S Chandrashekhar
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:20:49 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA




    I haven't seen this on the net so far, so I guess I'll go ahead.

 --

   B.S. Chandrashekhar lost both his legs after a car accident six weeks ago.
   A benefit match was held on the 4th of October. Brian Lara, Richardson,
   Bishop, Aquib Javed, et al played in the match. Colin Cowdrey (B'lore born)
   came down to visit B.S at his place.
     Sunil Gavaskar presented the collection (Rs 2.5 lakhs - 8000 odd U.S $)
    to an emotional Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar was carried to the field
    (from his Wheelchair) by his friends.
 
      My favorite legspinner of all time! Good luck to him....
   

-----


  ( Source: Phone Call from Dad)


Arun Simha

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From: karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: The Indian and SA TEAMS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:27:25 GMT

In <1992Oct2.195851.13894@cis.ohio-state.edu> hussain@pegasus.cis.ohio-state.edu (syed sajid hussain) writes:

>The exclusion of Kambli is probably justified as he somehow seemed to lack the
>temperament for the games. I watched him last year and though he is a good
>batsman to watch, he does not seem bothered by the team's situation and 
>throws his wkt. away.

	This argument was certainly valid until a year ago, but I would have
thought that he had improved in this respect. Remember his HUGE scores in 
last year's Ranji trophy ? Aren't they proof enough that he had the 
temperament to play long innings ? Although I didn't have the opportunity
of watching those knocks, what I heard about them was most encouraging.

>Bannerjee will probably do well as he is a good mover of the ball and from
>what I know of conditions in SA, they are somewhat similar to conditions 
>Down Under. There is a dearth of spinners which may prove costly coz I have

	But then, he was practically a failure in Australia.....

>A cricket lover who's going to miss his first series ever...

	Welcome to the club :-(

--
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From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: pakistan vs rest of t
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:33:09 EST

 
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  Message-ID: <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
     Subject: Pakistan vs Rest of The World

 Sk> Does anybody know what happened to the match between
 Sk> Pakistan and Rest of the World in Toronto?

 Well, Pakistan scored 320 for 8 in 45 overs with Mudassar scoring
149 not out.  Brilliant innings.  Inzamam had a scintillating
eighty-something.

 But the Rest of the World made THIS score look easy (!) by scoring
it with over 7 overs to spare.  Brian Lara had 106*, Tendulkar had
an eighty, and Richardson scored around 46.  Waqar and Wasim were
literally hammered.

 The only thing was that the "sides" of SkyDome's field are small,
so there were loads of sixes...

 But the crowd was pretty big (25-30,000) and LOUD! I wuz there...
 
Faraz Rabbani.

Address: faraz.rabbani@canrem.com
 

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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:52:22 GMT

In article <BvGuJ4.DyG@comp.vuw.ac.nz> John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan) writes:
>
>
>Dujon bats above Hadlee!! Crowe at 6! Dujon in the side and not Ian Smith!
>Richards at 3!
>
>Revised Version...
>
>1.Gavaskar
>2.Greenidge
>3.Miandad  (c)
>4.Gower
>5.M.Crowe
>6.Richards
>7.Kapil Dev
>8.Imran Khan
>9.Hadlee
>10.Smith   (wk)
>11.Qadir
>

Best would be :

Sunil Gavaskar
Gordon Greenidge
Javed Mianded
Allan Border    (Captain)
Vivian Richards
Martin Crowe
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Jeffry Dujon
Abdul Qadir


Cheers,

V R Kumar
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.183426.27610@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>
>In article <92276.115214SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>>In article <1992Oct2.065829.28990@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>>Sanjay.Naik@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) says:
>>>
>>>        Didn't he do well against the Windies too? I thought it was
>>>against the Windies that Raman got 97 odd. I was hoping that we'd get two
>>>
>>raman scored 81 on his test debut vs the WI. he also got a 95 in an ODI vs the
>>WI during the same tour. i think it was prabhakar who got a 97(?) vs NZ. i'm
>>not sure about raman, however.
>
>Raman has 3 fifty plus knocks in the 5 tests he played. Scored 84 in the 2nd
>innings of the 4th test against WI (1988 - played just that test). Scored 96 
>in the 2nd innings of the 1st test and 69 in the 2nd innings of the 3rd Test
>in NZ (1990 - played 3 tests). His other Test was against NZ (Hadlee) in B'lore.
>

	Plus, Iam sure he played the WI in WI in at least one test, and
didn't do much . Will try and get details of that , as well as Raman's test
figures, have it sitting someplace.

			Sadiq [ clarifying ] Yusuf

>/Bharani
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: RICHEST EVER COUNTY CONTRACT
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:41:36 GMT
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Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Sep28.012750.566@unlinfo.unl.edu>, gunnit@cse.unl.edu (Gunnit S. Khurana) writes:
>Just read in 'The Cricketer' (Pakistan) that Waqar has signed a three
>year contract with Surrey. It is richest ever contract with a county.
>He'll be paid 70,000 pounds per year. The news article also mentioned
>Saleem Malik and Mushtaq Ahmad. They will be paid 44,000 and 22,000 
>pound per year by Essex and Somerset respectively.

Ironically, at about the same time as Waqar Younus, Salim Malik and Mushtaq
Ahmed were being offered these contracts, a couple of Indian cricketers have
jeopardised fellow cricketers' aspirations to play in the English league. 
The story is that Maninder Singh and Atul Wassan left their respective club
sides in the lurch and flew home a couple of weeks before the season ended. The
two got medical certificates from the same doctor, claiming injuries(Maninder
to his left-elbow and Wassan to his ankle) which rendered them unfit. 

Once they were back home, they donned their flannels and proceeded to play for
their zonal/state(I don't know which) sides, the injuries apparently not
bothering them. This has pissed the league organizers off, naturally, and they
seem to have decided --or about to decide-- that they should not hire Indian
cricketers any more! And Wassan will not be allowed to play for the club
unless he pays up 750 pounds. Maninder said that he needed naturopathy
treatment and he could get it only from his trusted doctor back in India. Once
he got that, he says, he was fit as a fiddle and flummoxed the south zone
batsmen. 

I don't know what to think of this. Any thoughts? 

-Murali
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From: yelton@uful07.phys.ufl.edu (John M. Yelton)
Subject: Re: Worst English XI sice 1970
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:31:39 GMT


>>>What about Eddie Hemmings, or even John Emburey(in his last few tests he
>>>took something like 3 wickets for about 500 runs), they must also be some
>>>of the least effective spin-bowlers at test level England has had in recent
>>>years.
>>>
>>>
>>absolutely. emburey played 50+ tests for about 120 wickets. an embarassing
>>strike rate for a man who was supposed to be the front line english spinner
>>of the 80's. i used to get tired of hearing all the praise emburey got from
>>the english commentators whenever he managed to pick up 5-6 wickets in an
>>innings- which were few and far between. he never was that good. he was
>>competent as far as keeping the run-rate down was concerned, but i really
>>couldn't see him as a strike bowler.
>>
>
>	But, but, but ... Emburey is back in the English side for the tour
>of India, at an age of close to 40 !! Surely, you don't mean to tell me
>that the English selectors could have possibly erred *Gasp* . No no, it
>cannot be. The English selectors are, of course, infallible !
More to the point is there an English off-spinner who has done better in the
last 20 years. And remember that in the second half of his career
J.E.E. has a batting average of around 30.
I object to the inclusion of Marks (batting average high 20's and
11 wickets in 6 tests not to mention an outstanding LOI bowling record). Also 
Les Taylor who did not do anything wrong in his 2 tests - it wasn't his fault
that he did not get picked again. 
How about Chris Balderstone (for an England cricketer he was a good soccer 
player)
David Capel 
Paul Terry (OK so the WI's broke his arm, but he was pretty marginal anyway)
Brian Close 1976 vintage.
and instead of Taylor we could have
Arnie Sidebottom (ex- Manchester United soccer player)
Jonathan Agnew
Neal Radford or even
Greg Thomas
Unfortunately Fairbrother would also get a chance to play on his present
Test record - lets hope our view of him will change.

If the team goes to the West Indies you could take Tim Robinson along -
clearly not if it goes to India.

John Yelton
>
>
>


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From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Subject: Re: Who were these guys?
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:52:11 GMT

rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk (Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler) writes:

> diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar) writes:
>>Aussies, he refers to two Aussie players Robbie Kerr and ??? McCurdy.

>Rod McCurdy

>Rod McCurdy was a wannabe quick from Victoria. He had a lot of back problems.
>Moved interstate after a couple of years with the Vics (to SA or Tassie?).

He has been playing in South Africa for the last couple of years.  Did
quite well at times.
-- 
Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
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From: diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Subject: Re: Worst Aussie side since 1970
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.152631.9579@st-andrews.ac.uk>, rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk 
(Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler) writes...
> 
> 
>THE SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER XI
> 
>Trevor Chappell
>     Brother Trevor, the poor man's Chappell (more like poverty stricken). A 
>     true sign of a mediocre side is the selection of the makeshift third
>     opener. Trevor fills the bill quite nicely, thank you very much. Can also
>     add a bit of variety to the attack, especially with his occasionally
>     unorthodox action.

	- Don't tell India.  He scored 110 against India in the first of two
	matches betn Ind/Oz in the '83 WCup.

>     Right hand bat. Right arm slow medium.

	- You mean "Right arm underhand slow medium"? :-)

>Gary Cosier

	- Also known in India for taking "the catch that never was".  On the
	'77-'78 India tour of Oz, Cosier "caught" some one in the gully(?)
	managing to unsight both umps in the process.  The appeal was upheld.
	Replays clearly showed Cosier scooping up the ball off the bounce.
	Lead to some speechless moments in the commentary box.

> 
>Jim Higgs 12th man
>     Clearly the worst bat and fieldsman to have played Test cricket for 
>     Australia in the last 20 years. Unfortunately he was a very good leggy
>     so we can't get him into the side proper.

	- Came with Kim Hughes team to India in '80-'81 and had 7/143 at 
	Madras.


						- Vaibhav
From: madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian Umpires for SA tour
Summary: Indian tour of SA
Keywords: Indian Umpires
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:22:51 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

Hi 

Just read from an article in an Indian news paper that Indian Umpires
are going to officiate the upcoming Indian tour of South Africa. This
was done due to the lack of test match/international officiating 
experience for the SA umpires.  Guess what this could do to the outcome
of the matches?

Probably our friends in SA could clarify the authenticity of the report.

cricketingly,

Vasudhevan Madabushi
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From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Best Australian XI 1970-1990
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:30:46 GMT

Here's an Australian XI for the period 1970-1990.

1. Ian Redpath
2. David Boon
3. Ian Chappell (c)
4. Greg Chappell
5. Doug Walters
6. Allan Border
7. Rod Marsh (wk)
8. Max Walker
9. Bruce Yardley
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Jeff Thomson

Opening bowlers, wicketkeeper, and #3-#6 batsmen pick themselves.
Hughes, Jones, and a couple of others crossed my mind for a moment,
but Walters clearly wins that competition.

The opening bats are trickier.  Boon's greatest success has been at
#3, though his record as an opener isn't bad; and a case might be
made for Stackpole or Taylor over either of these, but in the end
the pair I've got seem to be the most solid choice.

The 3rd bowler is a tough choice.  It's tempting to go for someone
quicker, like Alderman (definitely in if we're playing in England),
Hogg, or Lawson, but Max's reliability gets him the spot.  Although
he's remembered as a workhorse, he averaged 4 wickets per test,
which is as good as any bowler of the period except Lillee, and wasn't
bad with the bat either.

There aren't really any good choices for spinner.  It's a close call
between Mallett, Higgs, and Yardley.  You couldn't exactly call any
of these world-class, but Yardley's figures are better than the
others', and he's easily the best bat of the bunch.

Flip a coin between Ross Edwards and Dean Jones for 12th man.

The 70's dominate the 80's here by 8 to 3, but that's not surprising.
This team would leave the England XI in the dirt.

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
From: aksimha@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Why Not Willey 'stead of Randall?
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:53:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA




        With regard to the best English team of the 70-90 era, I would
        select Peter Willey against Australia and the West Indies, and
        Randall against the slower variety. :-)
                David Steele performed so well against the Aussies of 74.
        Bob Woolmer started his career well and then went the Packer way..
        
         As far as the ones-that-didn't-make it are concerned, how about 
         the following players;

  1. Roger Tolchard ( Knott and Taylor were 1-2)

  2. Roland Butcher
 
  3. Graham Barlow

  4. Whatsis name Yorkshire keeper...aaahh... David Bairstow!!!

  5. David Llyod.  superb against the Indian team of 1974..'orrible against
                   the pacemen.

  6. Roger Knight 

  7. Keith Fletcher..very lucky to be selected at all.

  8. Neil Foster...superb bowler plagued by injuries.

     


Arun Simha
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From: john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u)
Subject: Re: Bill O'Reilly dead
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:36:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.120842.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> agrden@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>I just saw a news report on the TV       The great leggie   Bill O'Reilly is
>dead    at 86     Bradman rated him the _best_ bowler of any type he ever
>faced.
>
>
>A sad day for cricket and for spinning!

A tragic loss for cricket... apparently the best leg spinner ever... a man
who genuinely loved cricket... I was fortunate enough to live in Australia
for a period of some years when Bill O'Reilly wrote on cricket for the
"Sydney Morning Herald". He was not only a great cricketer but also an
excellent cricket writer. His commentary on cricket was incisive, witty and
at times brutally honest. No pandering to the egos from Bill O'Reilly, you
had to earn praise from Bill O'Reilly!

Whilst his death does not come as a great surprise... he has not been well
and was forced to cease writing a little time ago... it is still a great
shame to see him go.

I remember Bill O'Reilly fondly.. the first bat I ever owned when I moved to
Australia was a Bill O'Reilly endorsed Slazenger ... an ancient relic of a
bat! Don't ask me what a spinner was doing endorsing a bat.. maybe it
explains my batting average!  :-)

One wonders if maybe a compilation of Bill's columns for the "Sydney Morning
Herald" could not be produced - it would be a fitting tribute to the great
man. His wonderful way with words and love of cricket would live on that
way.

Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
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