HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:17:53 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


John Flanagan (johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu) wrote:
  >> You mean straight women _want_ their men to look like that?  I
  >> assumed they were just settling for what they could get.

jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
 >Don't be absurd, of course that's what they want.
 >It's all part of the plan to keep their men from
 >running away with other *men*, which everyone
 >knows they would otherwise do at the drop of
 >a hat.

What I'd _like_ to say to this is that it's the other way around--
straight women want to discourage "other men" from pawing or
otherwise having too much fun with their (i.e. the straight women's)
guys.  But if I were to say such a thing in such a large group of 
people many of whom don't know me well it would probably just lead
to lots of misunderstandings, especially since I don't use smileys.

So I won't say it.
Such a pity.  It would be fun to see where it would lead.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:11:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct5.165645.7911@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r
l reid) writes:

>Never did understand why some people are so eager to get
>them OFF to have sex.

Probably to avoid getting rumpled.  Me, I *like* rumps.

-- 
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From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <73099@apple.Apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
|> Steve Dyer:
|> 
|> >Are anchovies out?  There's this great Italian place in Noe Valley
|> >which makes a killer garlic, olive oil, anchovy, and toasted bread
|> >crumb (yes) pasta sauce.  Can anyone help me with its name?  You can
|> >get it w/o anchovies too.
|> 
|> Must be "Little Italy".  I can be found there a minimum of two nights
|> a week.  But don't take my word for it -- ask Jess, Bill Hsu, Randy Clark,
|> or any number of other people I have taken there.  You can have this
|> privilege, too.  Just ask.


However, be prepared for obnoxious service and obnoxious diners...  I love
the food at Little Italy.  The rest sucks.

For a truly awesome pizza, go to Pauline's on Valencia.  It is run by 
"family" and the pizza in great NY Style, with a California attitude.

|> (this will surely trigger a bunch of mail from people I am overdue to have
|> dinner with... )

No comment

FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:03:04 GMT

> pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) writes:
> 
>At the same meeting, there was a persistent rumor that you are a small
>person (causing Jack to write your name in lower-case and lose a bang).
>I tried to convince people that we Dutch don't do small, except
>in circuses.  When you take that picture, be sure to include a
>measuring rod.

Why do people keep dragging *me* into this thread?

Rod (soon to become unmeasuredly short at great length)
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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:37:10 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <b+0n+_=.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.094307.21833@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>    >In article <12487@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP
>    >(Clayton Cramer) writes:
>    >
>    >>It doesn't even occur to you that the effort to pass your
>    >>fascist little law may have riled up the various homo-haters
>    >>into a violent frenzy? It doesn't make it right -- but the
>    >>reason that Oregon measure 9 is on the ballot is because of
>    >>the various antidiscrim- ination laws passed by city councils
>    >>in Oregon, against the wishes of a large minority of the
>    >>population.
>    >>
>    >>The homosexual fascist movement is going to make life more
>    >>difficult by riling the homo-haters.
>    >>
>    >Ah yes, the Jews bring these things on themselves by stirring
>    >up the people against them...
>
>Oh, don't flatter yourself.
>
>If the Jews had indeed DONE the things that they were accused of (such as
>slaughtering Christian babies for various Jewish rituals, defiling Christian
>virgins etc.), then indeed, a hatred for the Jews would have been logical.
>
>Now, the question is, do people that dislike homosexuals have an accurate
>concept of what homosexuals do that they do so dislike?
>
>Now, I don't think rabbi has EVER been found slaughtering Christian
>babies for Passover.
>
>Have homosexuals ever had bathhouses where large numbers of homosexuals
>had random, anonymous sex with very large numbers of partners in a single
>night, or have Crisco parties, or ....
>
>Golly, maybe to know 'em IS to dislike 'em ... (is the operative concept).
>
>So well, are these activities TRUE?
>
>
>
>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Are you serious.    The problem of slaughtering Christian babies is murder.
The problem of defiling Christian virgins is rape.

The reason that it would be correct to hate Jews because they did this
is because it is correct to hate murder and rape.

Since Jews don't, as a class, do either, then what we have is lies.
Even though people lied about the fact that Jews did it, they were
not wrong in their belief that rape and murder is wrong.

Now, you seriously want to say that having random anonymous sex,
(which by the way is not the distinguishing mark of being a
homosexual) is akin to rape and murder?

Is this what you meant?
You have rapists and murders and people who engage in 
anonymous consensual sex in the same list of Great Criminals.  
Really?
-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Origins of Idioms for Homosexuals
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:37:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>
>>Faggot:  a faggot originally meant a bunch of sticks tied together
>
>You can find most of these in recent dictionaries.  The one whose origin
>is most obscure is "faggot".  My *guess* is that it is an arbitrary
>lengthening (suggested by the standard word) of "fag", and that "fag"
>acquired that meaning from the sense "British schoolboy appointed as a
>servant to an older boy" (the services required sometimes being sexual).
>*That* word, I believe, was originally a shortening of "fatigue" (cf.
>the military sense).

I'd heard it was because they used to burn us in the middle ages, like
witches, and the word stuck through that connection.  I always preferred the
British public school explanation.  It made much more sense.  The term is FAG
however, and not FAGGOT.  How did it get lengthened, if it is the latter
explanation?
-- 

******************************************************************************

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Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:21:42 GMT

smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Robert Emery Smith) writes:

>In article <thaaang.717833484@cwis>, Miss Thaang Queeries:
					   ^^^^^^ AHHHHHEEEEMMMMMMMMGGH!

					Listen up, muthafuckas. One time
					and one time only. Again. THREE
					e's - like 3 dots in an ellipsis
					or 3 e's in Deee-Lite Or 3 kings
					of Orient are or 3 leaves and a
					berry or 3 blind muthafuckin' mice.
					None of this 2 e crap; Otherwise
					I start hacking 'excess' vowels
					off y'alls names. Get it, Robrt?
					Jss? (BTW, Hi, Bob baby!)

>>Iowa to buy lube at all, and I haven't seen Wet there lately

>Isn't that the one they advertise with some porn star looking like he'd
>been dipped in the stuff?  John, we can arrange a CARE package for you.

Ooh! Better yet, airlift me a bundle; I got prospective dates this
weekend (and I just got the AIDS test back and it was negative! Yay!
The last one hadn't been half this stressful, but then that was for
*one* encounter *2* years before I took the test, whereas this one
was for *11* or *12*).

>>John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
>                 ^^^^^^^
>I _still_ think this should read "Acclaimed"...;-)

But 'alleged' has that stealth feel to it...

>>J. N. Shaumeyer confesses:

>>a rabbit pelt.

POP! You killed THUMPER! AAAAA!

>>Ob*snap*: I know three other queers with exactly Miss Thaaang's haircut.

>Mm-hm.  I knew _dozens_ in SF, but of course, that was _last_ year. *snap*

I'mnothearingthisI'mnothearingthislalalalala...

>The Prestigious Mr. Dyer wades in with:

I've seen Mr. Dyer wade. Prestigious indeed. *Stately*. Even nude (and we
all know how hard it is to be concurrently nude and stately).

>                                      Bob, appreciating this wonderfully
>                                        light thread in the midst of the
>                                        all the dire seriousness around us.

Seriousness? What seriousness? I ain't seen none in days!

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:48:14 GMT


In article <Bvnzw6.C6q@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|>  "Cruelty-free" products and so on.

As opposed to "Cruelty, free" products.

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Gay discrimination in NZ
From: E.L.Javison@massey.ac.nz (E.L. Javison)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:34:10 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Forwarded from soc.culture-new zealand:
From: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: 85% support leglislation against gay discrimination
Date: 29 Sep 1992 02:55:56 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In today's Dominion there's a report about an AGB McNair poll published
last night .. I found it interesting given that before law reform was
passed (1986?) a petition was passed with 800,000 (pop(NZ)~=3.5m)
signatures opposing reform, seems things have changed somewhat since
then.  Anyway, the basic stats:

* 85% of the people interviewed wanted protection for gays against
  discrimination -- up 10% from a similar poll in June 1990.

* 91% of those questioned wanted discrimination against disabled
  people outlawed.

* Only 58% of people questioned correctly believed it was possible to
  work with someone with HIV without risking infection.

* Almost 80% of those polled believed the law should no allow employers
  to dismiss workers solely on the grounds that they were HIV-positive
  if the nature of the work did not pose any risk of transmission.

* 76% had no objection to lesbian or homosexual police.

Aids Foundation director Warren Lindberg said "leaving aside the
social justice and HIV and Aids prevention issues it would be hard
for politicians to find a stronger supr for extending human rights
leglislation than those phenomenal results".

"Such leglislation would reflect the general consensus that
discrimination on the grounds of sexual oriengation is no more
acceptable than discrimination on other frounds already protected
by the law."

Justice Minister Doug Graham said the leglislation was on the
agenda.

--
Pat Cain <cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>







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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:16:58 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology

In article <1992Sep26.170507.6280@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob  
Donahue) writes:
> In article <12517@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton  
Cramer) writes:

> 	Removed from soc.motss per the soc.motss FAQ which apparently
> is verboten reading at Optilink.

> 	Back in the old days we could count on newsadmins to be  
responsible
> for their sites.  Can anyone suggest a solution to this?  I think  
after
> a year of this misuse of the net, that we've merited some kind of
> plenary indulgence.

I've had reasonable luck sending mail to sysadmins suggesting
that obnoxious posters get a lesson or two in netiquette and
that they read the soc.motss "charter".  Frequently (in
about half of the cases where i've done this recently) I've
received mail from the sysadmins saying that they have
chastized (wheee!) the offenders and would try to ensure that
it didnt happen again.  

In some cases this is not terribly useful as the posters
are crossposting inadvertently (perhaps following up),
or the sysadmins dont bother doing anything.  I think though
that if we were to act more in concert (hmm, all 80K soc.motss
readers sending mail to sysadmins - the mind boggles) that
perhaps even the stubbornest obnoxoids might eventually
learn something.

--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:15:10 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Oct1.181458.9229@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com 
   (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	Where's the bear shit?

In the woods, of course.
-- 
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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:51:08 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Oct5.174614.20793@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163238.19514@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>>Really?  It made me swear off screwing anyone with a tail, furry ears
>>>and a first name with an apostrophe in it.
>>
>>Hmm......Where DO you go to meet people?  
>
>Last time I checked, the Lone Star and My Place were on Planet Earth... :-)

But they're not in H|u> = E|u>'s universe....

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: politics of panels
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:21:27 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Sep30.113736.2194@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> alto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>I'm doing a research project on the politics of panels and am not having much
>luck. If you have any information on panels, been on panels, or seen a panel,
>I'd like to hear from you.
>thanks.

What type of panels:  pegboard?  pressboard?  solid wood (cherry, 
mahogany, oak, etc.)?

Oh....do you mean panels of people discussing a given topic or set
of topics at, like, a conference or convention?

Oops....

And I thought I'd get to describe the faaaabulous wainscoating I saw
at a drag bar in Chattanooga :-(


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Compuserve Correction
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 19:38:24 GMT


Thanks to an (I guess) anonymous reminder-person, I
find I erred about the internet gateway to Compuserve
mailboxes.  You need the e on the end:

   123456.789@compuserve.com

Sorry, I should have checked (I use an alias for the one
correspondent I have there).

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:29:10 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <4#0n19=.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <thaaang.717392538@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) 
>writes:
>>And heterosexual women still think hairsprayedpoodlebrillopadfernhead
>>hairstyles are legitimate.
>
>Actually, this is highly dependent on geography.  You won't see that in San
>Francisco, but hop on BART and ride to Concord, and there they are, The
>Ladies With Big Hair.  
>
>I guess Omaha is more like Concord than like San Francisco.

One chapter in "Susie Sexpert's Lesbian Sex World" has Susie & friend
going to a k.d. lang concert, where k.d. admires their bouffants
enough to pull them up on stage, telling the crowd, "You know what
they say in Nashville -- the higher the hair, the closer to God".

Here in the Santa Cruz area most of the big hair presence is that
there are many young Latinas who do their long hair into some pretty
wild sculptures.  (Well, that and the people with foot-high mohawks.)
So unfortunately most of the big-hair complaints I hear are racist
comments on them from white teenagers.  :-(

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Sex Pumps (was Re: demuffining)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:37:25 GMT

jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>[Blubber?]  But the mess...that's what
>makes it fun, isn't it?

Hints from Heloise!
  *Don't* throw out those old shower curtains.  Return, reuse, recycle.
   An old shower curtain, a gallon of Wesson Oil, and a three-speed vibrator
   make for an interesting and wholesome way to pass a rainy day. 
-- 
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bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:57:43 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
  >>  Fuck the patience.
mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
 >I'd rather fuck the _Penzance_

I'd rather fuck the Yeomen, myself.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:41:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43329
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <BvBKor.635@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>
>Arbitron supposedly looks at peoples .newsrc files, I don't think there
>is any tremendous guess work involved.

It only looks at the information which it gets back from specific messages.
Every site I have ever worked at (and I have worked at some biggies) has
taken the time to break the path for the return message.  I have taken
to doing this for every site when I was a news admin.  Not exactly being
a good USENET citizen, but widely practiced.  Oh yes, when I leave a site,
I always show the next news admin how to fix my fix.

So, if anything, arbitron greatly underestimates readership as it
reports actual numbers as opposed to statistical guesses.

--mark
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                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:13:56 GMT

Seenig.

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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!