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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:39 GMT

jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
>Actually it's far from dangerous, if you just know what you're doing and
>dealing with. At least around here the valves are very heavy duty and
>reliable, so it all depends on you.
*----
Every cylinder I get has a different valve, and while they are
mostly reliable, they all have different characteristics (some
open all the way instantly, others can be opened more gradually).
I HAVE seen packing fail on a valve, and I've gotten cylinders dated
back as far as 1906 (they have to be tested every 5 years).  You
can bet your life on it.  I won't bet mine.

>I say: use the balloons, condoms or whatever. But if you're out of
>anything inflatable, do not be too scared of the tank itself if you just
>think you know what you're doing. It's all about getting the right touch
>to the valve, and opening the valve probably slightly before you start
>inhaling, so you can even measure the temp and volume by hand.
*----
Just make sure to try it on a friend first.  USE A REGULATOR.  NEW
regulators start at about $ 60.  There are plenty of used ones for
$ 30 and up.  That's less than a quarter ounce of pot.  Why risk
your life for so little?

>One of the biggest danger factors is that if you pass out while the
>valve is open, you run the risk of getting a whole tank being emptied
>into your room/whereever. This might get you killed.
*----
No, the biggest danger factor is that you might knock over the
cylinder while you're stumbling around trying to hold your mouth
on the valve.  If the falling cylinder doesn't break a bone, it
might knock the valve off.  Then you have a 180 pound
rocket with liquid propellent.  And you know what?  With
liquified gases, the pressure stays constant until the liquid
is all gone.  I'm not sure what a 60 lb (180 lbs full)
cylinder will do, but there have been documented cases of people
getting badly injured or killed by oxygen cylinders that have
been dropped - and 3000 psi oxygen loses pressure fast (hint:
it's not liquified at that pressure).

I notice you also didn't mention that N2O is a great oxidizer,
and supports combustion like oxygen (ie: Don't smoke near it!).
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:47:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Ted Vessenes writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <mtymp06.717804258@staff.tc.umn.edu>
> Posted: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:04:1
>
> Org.  : University of Minnesota
>
> I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?

                                      ^^^^^^^^
> I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
> of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
> So why would you want to use drugs?  Email or post back.


Druggies??? How quaint.

Please, offer up your "studdies" for the net's perusal. I'm curious about your
information source.



--
Marc North  --  The Lanceholder's Group
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:26:50 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <derek.717775618@cs.wisc.edu>, derek@lynx.cs.wisc.edu (Derek Zahn) writes:
> I wrote:
> 
>>>Even if it is watched, couldn't [diethylamine] be made rather simply from
>>>ammonia and ethyl bromide?
> 
> Howard Black replied:
> 
>>    No.  Any first-semester organic chemistry student should be able to
>>tell you why.
> 
> Well, I'm no chemist, but this singularly gruff and uninformative reply
> motivated me to go the library and page through organic chem texts.

Great!

> A typical result:
(procedure for making a mixture of ethyl amines etc. deleted)
>    
> Now, perhaps you meant that I omitted the (trivial) treatment with alkali,
> or perhaps first year organic chem students know that this kind of
> fractionation is intractable when compared to the rest of the synthesis
> steps of frowned-upon psychadelic substances.  Doesn't look that bad
> to me.  The boiling points appear to be rather different...

Here is my 2c worth: I would say that the fractionation is indeed
the annoying part. This could be done on an industrial scale, but
is a right pain in the posterior in the lab. The substitution
reaction is pretty unclean, too. It's like trying to make 
chloroform by mixing natural gas and chlorine under a UV light;
you'd have to be pretty desparate to try it.

> At any rate, perhaps there are other syntheses that make diethylamine
> produceable as part of an overall synthesis procedure...

I would say that industrially, DEA is probably made this way, 
although I'd have to look it up to be sure. The point is, I
guess, that if you are trying to perform the synthesis of LSD, 
DEA is the last of your worries - if you can get the lysergic
acid (or major precursor) safely then finding such a common chemical
as DEA should be no problem. There are syntheses of DEA from other 
compounds, though none spring to mind as being particularly
wonderful. Here's an idea: Making diethyl formamide from 
formamide might be a decent way to go, and diethyl formamide 
might be able to be used in a modified synthesis, instead of DEA 
(transamidation?) 

In general, I can't imagine the precursors for making DEA cleanly
being any easier to come by than the stuff itself.
 
> Because I am not a chemist and am interested in these issues only in
> a vague theoretical sense, please point out where I've gone astray
> so that I don't confuse others.

I like your attitude. Tell me if I'm astray too (e.g. Howard).

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Smoking ephedrine?
Keywords: Ephedrine smoking
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:46:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <kaz.717797783@vincent1.iastate.edu> kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet) writes:
>I have these spiffy little 25 mg ephedrine tablets, and was wondering if 
>crushing them and smoking them would be effective and safe.  Thanks!
>
>Jeff "Kaz" Kaczmarek

I think you'll find that the ephedrine HCl (assuming you mean those
Mini-Thin tablets) will decompose and you'll be inhaling something that'll
be extremely irritating to your lungs. You'll feel like you just smoked
pure HCl vapors.
From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BSD?
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:46:50 GMT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

guru@west.darkside.com (Guru) writes:

> Ok.. all you tripadeliacs, can someone (anyone) tell me about a drug that 
> was popular about 25 years ago that was called something like BSD or 
> something like that... anyway, supposedly (from the rumor mill) I hear 
> that it was a drug, taken like GelAcid that produced similar effects, 
> although only for a Twenty Minute duration...
> 
> I would be very interested in learning about whaddever this substance is 
> (if it is indeed real) and possibly trying some (although no doubt it is 
> long illegal).  Can Anyone help?

BSD: UNIX with Berkeley enhancements
LSD: Reality with Berkeley enhancements

:-)


Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 12:01:51 -0400 
From: Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nicotine extraction from tobacco?

I don't know how, but a little warning...

Be very careful with nicotine.....

Did you know that Nicotine, by mass, is just as poisonous as cyanide.
And they used to use it as a pesticide, until people started to get sick
off of the sprayed fruits...



Merlin
From: root@bhole.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 92 13:03:18 EDT

Re: Re: LSD recipies
By: tyu #0 @ecst.csuchico.edu (Outsider) 
 
>>>off buying hits of acid than trying to make some.  LSD is not easy to
>>>make; if have to ask on the net, then you don't know enough to make it
>>>safely.
>>
>>Someone might be interested in the synthesis for
>>informational purposes only. Someone might not have access to a university
>>library.
>Yes, and I buy Penthouse mag. for the articles, and Phototron to grow
>tomatoes and potatoes, and I read anarchists cook book for info. purpose
>only as an aid for my masters thesis and I also buy 3 chamber tobacco
>water bong. 

So what's your point?

Mark 
dvss!bhole!root@udel.edu
From: ap.5534@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] strychnine re-re-re-re-re-re-revisited
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:42:03 GMT
Reply-To: ap.5534@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu



 
        I'm a wee bit tired of boogajooga about strychnine in
blotter acid and 'bone deterioration' as a result of chronic
exposure to strychnine.  As an antidote I offer the following
excerpt from Gosselin, Smith, & Hodge, _Clinical Toxicology of
Commercial Products_(5th edition, 1984), part III, page 375ff:
 
        "When taken by mouth, the mean lethal dose in man 
probably lies between 100 and 120 mg. (1.5-2 mg/kg).  A dose
as small as 16 mg has killed an adult, and 30 mg is usually a
threat to life....."
 
        "Significant cumulative toxicity is not recognized...
If the patient survives the first 5 to 6 hours, the prognosis
is good.  There are few serious sequelae among survivors.  Rarely
rhabdomyolysis, myoglobinuria and consequent renal damage may
result from violent, uncontrolled convulsions."
 

nobody@nowhere.nohow, a subsidiary of The Strychnine Universe, Inc.

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From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: SOCIAL ORDER
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:11:05 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <1992Sep26.144503.16329@tc.cornell.edu> 
homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith) writes:

>      Every functional operating system in existence depends upon some
> measure of order to continue its operation.
>  
>      The amount of order in the biochemical structure of the body is no
> less than incredible, and even our computer systems are put together and
> networked with a form of well thought out order that took years to
> develop.
>  
>      People would not settle for less than excellent order in these
> matters.

Yo Homey,
  I have a little problem with your equating human society with a computer 
system. Equating society to the human body is pretty close, though. Human 
interaction is a highly nonlinear, dynamic function, and like any 
nonlinear system society requires some lattitude in expressing these 
nonlinearities, the random craziness, the artistic genius, the irrational 
response, or else the health of the overall system will suffer. Too many 
times has mankind witnessed the chaotic effects of the implementation of 
rigid rules and codes which leave no room for the expression of the subtle 
and sublime.

  When we're this close to chaos, sometimes more control just pushes it 
over the brink.

Peace,
    Rob
 

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
Disclaimer: I haven't had my morning coffee yet and I have NO idea what my          .           hands are up to.
From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: caffeine
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:20:56 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

does anyone have a list of the relative amounts of caffiene in

mountain dew
coke
pepsi
coffee
etc.


thanks, 

-- Danny

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5534@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] In the window??
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5534@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:43:18 GMT


Hi all. A FOAF of a FOAF of mine is growing A Certain Herb for
personal consumption. The specimen is now about 18" inches tall, but
he is keeping it in his bedroom window, because it's really growing
fast in the sunlight. He lives on the second floor, and said Herb is
visible and recognizable if one knows what one is looking for. This
guy doesn't have the money or impetus to go get a grow light. (The
Plant responds favorably to a few hours under a 100-watt incandescent
bulb, by the way, but none of his friends' FOAFs think that it could
live completely on this source.)

So, is keeping this specimen in the window totally stoopid? Some
people think he should be paranoid, while others think it's silly to
think that anyone would care. He lives in an urban college
neighborhood, but it's got a fair amount of crime, and some people say
the cops have better things to do than snoop in peoples' windows. None
of the bars around there card or anything. Parties are almost never
broken up. There's never any word about prohibition violations among
the students there.

What's the call? Is my FOAF's FOAF an oaf? (I'm sorry if that one hurt.)

We are all wondering.


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From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Infant Suicides
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:02:43 GMT

  This is an article which I gleaned from a doctors journal
named "The National Medical Enquirer". I thought people in 
this newsgroup might be interested.



 WASHINGTON D.C.(API) - It has been learned that a rash of infant
 suicides is occuring throughout the United States. The epedemic
 has been labeled by doctors as True Infant or Newborn Suicidal
 Intransiency Episode (TINSIE). According to Dr. Hans Jittering,
 famous brain surgeon and discoverer of the epedemic, and founder
 of the Slown-Jittering Institute for Alcoholic Reform, this is a
 phenomenon which has never been seen before. "If you thought
 SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) was bad, TINSIE is a lot worse
 because there is no medical explanation for it. Since I've been
 studying this problem, I've seen babies dead in their cradle
 with smoking guns pointed at their heads, dead infants with a 
 bottle of pills and an empty whiskey bottle lying next to them
 in their cradles. You name it. Toddlers jumping off of bridges.
 Any way an adult could do himself in, these kids are doing it."
   Doctors say many of these children were either born addicted
to drugs or became addicted at a very young age. "Most of these
kids come from the ghetto, and they are living and dying the same
way as their adult counterparts there", said Jittering.


 OK, so call me sick. 

************************************************************************
"Would you believe it if you     |             MY KARMA
saw it with your own eyes?"      |           JUST RAN OVER
   Asked the woman               |            YOUR DOGMA
"That depends"                   |               -Dolly Llama-
    Replied I                    |	
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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:37:11 GMT

jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>   Then how come it alters the mood? Inhaling inert gases (e.g. helium)
>have no effect on the human body besides hypoxia, as far as I know.
>--
Helium appears to be used recreationally too.  Some anesthesia
literature mentions side effects similar to nitrous oxide, but
much more mild.

And I don't know how it alters your mood.  I haven't seen any
credible literature that purported to have any factual information
about that.  But it DOES.  And it doesn't metabolize.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: strychnine re-re-re-re-re-re-revisited
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:59:44 GMT

Somebody writes...

>        I'm a wee bit tired of boogajooga about strychnine in
>blotter acid and 'bone deterioration' as a result of chronic
>exposure to strychnine.  As an antidote I offer the following
>excerpt from Gosselin, Smith, & Hodge, _Clinical Toxicology of
>Commercial Products_(5th edition, 1984), part III, page 375ff:

[useful info deleted for space...]

Thank you!!!  It's not like I'm an idiot.  It's just that when I tried
to tell her I thought it was a load of mularkey, she wanted, as with any
drug-related argument that involves debunking myths, she wanted references,
quotes, a note from God, etc.  There have been others I've come into contact
with who just can't believe there's nothing to acid besides LSD.

Any more references would be appreciated.  Perhaps the one you wrote could
be included in the FAQ?

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:01:12 GMT

berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:

>That's a less than scientific description.  Nitrous oxide does NOT
>"react" with your body in any normal sense of the word.

   Then how come it alters the mood? Inhaling inert gases (e.g. helium)
have no effect on the human body besides hypoxia, as far as I know.
--
Jani Heinonen                    "Tonight when I chase the dragon,
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
Finger for public PGP key         And the silver will turn to gold
E-mailed upon request             Time out of mind."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5553@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Ephedrine
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5553@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:24:17 GMT




I am trying to find out anything about the Chinese drug _Ma Huang_. It
is derived from the plant {it Ephedra sinica} and the active substance
is supposedly ephedrine. Does anyone know anything about this drug or the
plant or the medicinal uses it is used for in China? Can I grow it in my
back yard? :-) Any information would be appreciated.


Joseph Askew
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au



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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:24:46 GMT

jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (Redbeard) writes:
> How many people out there know that you can get fucked up on propane?
>Well, you can, but I want to know how it works (is it similar to N20?).
>I would think that it is not too good for you, but hey, what is? Also,
>could other gases be used, e.g. acetylene?
*----
We recently had a fatal car accident in which the driver and
passengers were inhaling freon.  You only have another year or
two before it'll be too hard to find!
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
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	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: ap.5585@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] Lebanesse Hashish
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: ap.5585@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu



I Just bought a small Cube of what this guy told me was hashish... It
smells like hash, but doesn't look like it.  When I smoked it, I got a very
mild high.  It was pretty bad.  My question is: Has anyone seen hash
shipped like this?  It was heavy, weighed 1/2 ounce.  It was compressed
tightly, dimensions: 1.25" long .5" wide .5" deep.

It was pretty bad stuff.  Should I steer clear of this sort of thing in the
future, or was I just screwed by this one guy?  Thanks

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From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DMSO
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:03:20 GMT
Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc.
Where: Buffalo, NY - USA ...Earth (*GRIN*)
School: SUNY Buffalo
Project: Ushering in the next stage of human evolution, and fixing the world.

ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
-For anybody going "huh?", the deal with DMSO is that it's an
-interesting solvent.  What's relevant in this context is that it, and
-anything dissolved in it, can penetrate the skin.  (I don't think
-this is related to its more useful chemical properties) So you can
-make Aciderms(TM), the present hot topic of local discussion...  The
-downsides are 1) nasty things may be dissolved in it -- or sitting
-on your skin, and 2) it causes retinal damage in rabbits, in the
-usual large doses.  DMSO is periodically touted as a wonder drug for
-one condition or another, without any justification of which I am
-aware, which is probably why it's illegal in New York.  But why
-would it be sold in a gym?
-   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu

	I've got a book on DMSO. Haven't read it yet, though. Looks pretty
good, though, and a friend quoted some nifty bits from it.

Pat

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SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU			Disclaimers are silly. ;^)

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.rave
From: homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith)
Subject: Re: Hatch Amendment
Organization: Me
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:24:54 GMT

 
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     Congressmen on both sides of the aisle are voicing strong
objections to the NLEA Moratorium Amendment and the Alternative Health
Care Amendment to the Labor-HHS Appropriations Bill, despite thousands
of constituent calls flood conferees' offices last week.
 
     The ranking House Republican in the conference, Carl Pursell of
Michigan, will join with ranking Democrat Bill Natcher in opposing the
Hatch and Harkin Amendments and insisting that the proposals be stripped
from the bill.  Some of the other Democrats involved in the conference
have quietly expressed objections to the amendments, but most Republican
conferees are supportive of the goals of the amendments, even if they
are uneasy with the timing of the proposals.  The ranking Democratic and
Republican Senators in the conference - Tom Harkin and Mark Hatfield -
have expressed their support for the amendments.
 
     The House-Senate conference on the Labor-HHS Appropriations bill is
expected to begin tomorrow (Tuesday, 9/29/92) and probably will continue
through Wednesday.
 
     Calls to conferees are more important than ever; members of the
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     PLEASE CALL OR WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON TODAY, IF YOU ALREADY
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