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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: "The Crying Game"
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:33:25 GMT


I can't recommend this film highly enough.  It's a
political-romantic thriller, and that's all I want to tell
you about it.  Try not to read any reviews or listen to
comments about the movie, just run out and see it for
yourselves.  The director is Neil Jordan, who also made "The
Miracle," "High Spirits," "Mona Lisa," and "The Company of
Wolves."
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From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:41:43 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab24.larc.nasa.gov

In article <3@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
|> 
|> I offered a flip response to what was obviously a flip question.
|> I find it revealing that a couple of posters flew off the handle
|> on this subject. 
|> 

I didn't think it at all obviously a flip question.  Or rather, the 
feeling I got was similar to my response when people tell "dead baby"
jokes and then blame the listener for being humor-impaired when 
offended by the subject matter.

|> Have we discovered a new sacred cow?

Are you so suprised that the subject of babies and birth announcements
is an intensely emotional one for many people?  How many new parents do
you know?  Or people who are trying to have a baby?

My sis-in-law just had *another* miscarriage.  She has them about the
forth month every time she gets pregnant.  4 months of pregnancy is
plenty of time to begin all sorts of hopes and dreams for the baby and
the family.  If she ever manages to carry a baby to term she and her
husband will be estatic, proud, joyful, awed, and probably 
self-congratulatory.  I am sure they will announce the 
event to the whole world - or as much as they can reach of it.
If anyone mars their joy by making comments like: "10 pound baby -
hardly big enough for a pot roast," they'll have a lot to answer for
in my opinion.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: QW Magazine: Still in business?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:46:22 GMT

tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>Is QW (Qweer Weekly, used to be NYQ) magazine out of business?  One
>week they announced that their publisher had died of AIDS and that they
>would not go out of business due to that.  However, I haven't gotten a
>new issue in the mail since.

>Anyone have more info?

Nope, but it doesn't look good. There was a reference to the fact that
they needed $300K in a hurry in the _Village Voice_ "Press Clips" column
at least two weeks ago.

I haven't seen an issue since. It does seem strange that they would mention
that with Bill Chafin dying they wouldn't have any problems. Maybe they just 
didn't have an accurate record of their financial reserves.

Oh, also the NY NATIVE has started using Ads in the paper with a picture of
OUTWEEK, a picture of QW and then a picture of the Native with the caption
"Still Here After These Years" or some other obnoxious phrase expressing 
schadenfreude.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:24:40 GMT

Why not cure bigotry?

-- Frank
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:12:54 GMT

In article <1hvf3nINN93n@hp-col.col.hp.com>
smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>[jns:]

>> Do you even bother to read what you write?

>Yes, do you think smart-alec replies help anything?  It's amazing 
>that I can sit here and agree that companies should find ways for 
>covering SO's, and I *still* get flak for it.  

Why doesn't that tell you something, Walter?  You're leading
the pack in self-righteousness, currently, and it's wearing
more than a little thin.  Maybe you should devote more time
to trying to understand things.

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From: Mark@tdkt.kksys.com (Mark Steiger)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Parents figure it out
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:36:03 -0600

My parents figured out about my being gay over christmas.  I haven't
heard anything from them since then and I'm alittle worried about what
they're going to do.  My parents are extremely anti-gay and
conservative.  If anyone has any ideas on anything I can tell or send
them, please send me a note.

Thanks

Mark


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.151409.16274@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>>found Usenet, or later?
>
>	I *READ THE DOCUMENTATION*.

    Oh no!  Not the documentation!  No one reads the documentation! :-)

>
>BBC - wanting to keep "motss" as the name.
>

    Me too.

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From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:53:24 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


I've been on various discussion-oriented BBS's for almost ten years
now, but I didn't come in contact with the internet for a while
because my college was too long ago and the computer places I worked
for too small time.  But I started seeing some of the BBS people rave
about it.  Soon some local public-access *NIX systems started popping
up, and about four years ago I called one and typed rn because I'd
heard people mention it when talking about newsgroups.
 
Unfortunately this public-access system only had a very small number
of newsgroups, and as the others got news from *it*, so did they.
alt.sex was one of them, and was it ever full of jerks.  But if I did
a search through it looking for the words lesbian, gay, bisexual, once
in a while I'd actually see something with some worth to it rather
than just the rantings of phobic college students and K*ld*s and so
on.  And in these messages were occasional references to soc.motss.
 
And to cut the story short, these days I pay for (it's pretty cheap at
$110/year) this internet account so I can read soc.motss and anything
else I want, do ftp, etc.  Unfortunately it just crashed on me and
destroyed something like 300 pieces of mail.  :-(

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: GALLO found *GUILTY* of scientific misconduct
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 19:21:36 EST
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X-To: aids@cs.ucla.edu
X-Cc: act-up@world.std.com, noglstp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov


 
	WASHINGTON -- The U.S. scientist credited with discovering the AIDS
virus and a colleague committed scientific misconduct by publishing
false and misleading statements in scientific papers describing their
groundbreaking work, a government investigation released Wednesday
charged. Based on the conclusion, the report from the Public Health
Service's Office of Research Integrity recommended that Dr. Robert Gallo
and his colleague, Dr. Mikulas Popovic, be supervised for three years to
ensure the accuracy of their work.
 
   
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"Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for..." - Prince.
From: sylvan@pyramid.COM (Sylvan Ruud)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:24:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Dec31.061107.19924@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> In article <184735@pyramid.pyramid.com> sylvan@pyramid.COM (Sylvan Ruud) writes:
|> >How many GLBO folks *are* vegetarians out there?
|> 
|> there are 1,354,223 in America. I'm one of them.
|> 

Great!  Wanna go to dinner?!?!? :-)  I *knew* that I could eventually get the
OBMotss statement into this thread! 

|> 
|> Sensitivity is what counts. If you want to impress your vegetarian
|> date, .....

Generally, most omnivores that I deal with are pretty good. There is the
occasional vegephobe...

|> ObVisitingMotherForChristmas: mom was making Christmas dinner, and she
|> was making beef tender. She suggested that I just go to a deli, buy
|> some preprepared dish, and heat it in the microwave for dinner.

Better than getting in a fight over the issue, I guess.  I had a friend walk out
of his in-laws dinner this year due to fights over whether or not he would eat
the turkey.  Duh.

|>                 __
|> nelson@reed.edu \/     What in this room is alive and what doesn't have life?

I dunno, what?

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From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:21:47 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec28.210354.26186@netcom.com> ds@netcom.com (David Schachter) writes:
>8. You mentioned "permanent" results.  For that, here are some choices:

I shouldn't have.  What I really meant (and of course should have said)
was "long term" or even "continual."  Thanks for the suggestions.


For me, at least, voluntary baldness almost always looks erotic and
frequently sexy which pretty much makes it the antithesis of those
insecure types who get absurd haircuts to mask their baldspot (ick).
Self-confidence vs. insecurity - I think more men would show their
buttocks in public than their scalp.  Anybody else out their find
bald men a serious turn-on?


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics. motss)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 00:15:40 GMT

In article <C076G6.B95@boulder.parcplace.com>
misek@boulder.parcplace.com (Steve Misek) writes:

> ::	soc.motss.misc

>seems rather recursive

Ha!  If it's going to be recursive, I want you to be its immoderator, 
and we can call it soc.motss.men.i.would.marry.without.hesitation.

Big wet ones,
yours very gladly to recurse with,
Jesser

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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: to Gene Lavergne
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:59:50 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne) writes:
>Scott and I have been together for 3.5 years.  That's a brief time
>for some, but for many, it is quite an achievement.  I am very happy
>to have had this experience because I had given up on the hope to 
>have a peaceful and pleasant relationship with another.

[rest of the world please disregard]

Gene!  I've been trying to send you e-mail for a couple of months now
but BNR's X.400 gateway keeps bouncing it.  Say hi to the old gang for me.

Brent
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Melinda's paradox
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:35:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.130414.21347@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <17720@umd5.umd.edu> jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>>So, if I asked ******* what you would say if
>>I asked you whether you had a sense of humor,
>>what would he say?  Or should I ask you what
>>he would say if I asked him whether he were
>>a liar?
>
>The way it works is this, for example:  if ******* was on
>his was to Guerneville and came to a fork in the road but
>he wasn't sure whether or not the person he was asking for
>directions was homosexual or not, the only way he could be
>sure of taking the correct road would be to ask the person
>what a homosexual would say if asked.  Then he'd take the
>other fork, ensuring that he'd arrive in time for, uh,
>tea.

When you get to Santa Rosa, most all roads lead to Guerneville. Highway 116 or
River Road, it is all the same. Stop at the Cinnabar Shops for real tea. 
Anything else is just flavored water in styrofoam cups.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:25:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>I guess this means you haven't reached the "What?  You want to have sex
>again?  I'm too tired.  Didn't we just do it last month?" phase yet.
>
Doesn't this phase seem to cycle on a regular pattern? the "Is that
all you want to do, have sex?" phase seems to cycle around our house
on a quarterly basis. Unfortunately, we both go thru it at different times.

My reply is... "Maybe its time for a little strange..." That always seems
to work one way or another!

-- 
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Convex Computer Corporation 
3000 Waterview Parkway     
Box 833851, Richardson,Tx,75083
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
Subject: Re: Bike militancy (was Re: Parking)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:13:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec11.171846.29892@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
| In article <1992Dec11.103409.26173@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
| >In article <Bz2zrL.5oM@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
| >>>I'm sufficiently militant on my bicycle now that I won't get out of
| >>>the way of cars behind me unless it is convenient.
| >>Dangerous or not, I always feel guilty doing this.
| >
| >Stop feeling guilty about it. Your taxes pay for the roads, too. Your
| >safety needs are greater. And most cars treat you like shit, so you
| >have to demand your space. No need to be rude, but don't risk wiping
| >out at 25 mph because you felt like you had to pull off onto the
| >gravel shoulder to let some stupid petrol-burning hunk of iron get past you.
| >
| 
| Yeah, I agree, but in the midst of all that bike militancy, don't
| forget that you must obey traffic rules.

In most states, one of those traffic rules is that a vehicle -- whether
bike, car, or truck -- must pull over at the next possible place and
let traffic pass if the vehicle has a line of more than 'n' (in WA
state, 5) vehicles stacked up behind.

    Fritz

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark on New Years Eve
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:28:42 GMT

stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>Time magazine reports that people are steal the Marky Mark ads off of
>bus stations in L.A.
AND offer them for sale for $35+ in the _Recycler_.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: 00112716@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: codes
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 09:43:05 GMT

  I wish to thank those who sent me copies of the bear codes...   :)
  Now if someone would be so kind as to mail/post smurf and any (if any) others
I would be much appreciative.   ;)
 
                                  *(PURR)*(CUDDLE)*(HUGS)*
                                   Thankses again!
                                  Br
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:45:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	Well no sane person would come on here telling us what
> we should or should not do without having done *some* legwork on
> their own.  No one who wasn't a hypocrite would come on here
> and bray about how things ought to be without actually practicing
> what he preached...

Oh, I see..."you don't do things my way; so you must be insane." 
Who's the one trying to push back towards a flame fest, and away 
from talking to each other as a human being?  Bob, I talk to people 
I know and tell them my views on these things, that I don't think 
people should be discriminated against for their sexual orientation. 
I have not seen a viable wording of policies (that would help make
benefits more equitable) that I would give to my HR department. 
If you want to call me a hypocrite because I do only as much 
as I do and not as much as you want me to do, that is *your* problem. 
If you want to say that I am not sane because I dont do things *your*
way, THAT is *your* problem.  I try my best to practice what 
I preach; if i don't do it well enough to satisfy your idea of 
what I should do, I apologize to you. 

> 	Fine, then let's write that letter shall we?

Sounds good to me.  What have we got to work with so far? 

> 	What good is sharing ideas amopng the converted?  

It gives the "converted" a shared pool of information and ideas 
that they can use in more places.  Isn;t that what the right 
wing is doing with the results of Col#2?  Share what has worked? 

> What
> IS needed is for some people who have the privs and the perks (that's
> you Walter) to have the cojones to actually stick his neck out
> and publically speak his mind -NOT to the people who already know
> it (that's us Walter), but to the people who need to hear it most
> (that would be the HR dept. at HP for example)...  

Or the people they work with, which I do.  But that isn't good enough 
for you?  You're going to sit there and *tell* me how I should act 
out on my convictions?  Bah!  By all means, offer suggestions that 
you think might be useful.  But grant me the freedom to use what 
I see as useful, and do what I think will work; not what *you* 
think I should do.   

> If you're not
> going to *do* anything but wheeze *at* us, then go away.  We
> need allies.  That's not someone who is all talk and no action.

What you need is a little tact, and the ability to see that you 
can't dictate to others how to act on their convictions. That those 
who don't do things to your satisfaction aren't neccesarily hypocrites 
or insane.   Telling people that they are hypocrites because they 
don't act on things 'well' enough for you isn't going to get you many 
allies.  And Jess, sorry 'bout the flames to Bob here, but I hope 
you see why...

Walter
(dont forget to cast your vote, Bob.)
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:55:52 GMT

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>It's been my observation that there are four 'crisis periods' in a 
>relationship. T
>Between 3 months and 1.5 years you will learn 
>whether leaving the cap off the toothpaste is grounds for divorce.  
>Finally, sometime between 7 and 10 years you will resign yourself
>to hearing the following question every evening for the rest of your 
>life: "I dunno, what do YOU want to do for dinner?"

	I think for us these two are reversed... we actually have
a script for this...

	Person 1: What do you want for dinner?
	Person 2: I dunno, what do yOU want for dinner?
	Person 1: (Realizing that this is an infinite loop)
			White Castle Burgers it is!

	That usually prompts Person 2 to think of SOMETHING in
short order... :-)

	Note that this also works in groups of people where N is greater
than 2.  The person suggesting WCB (or something, like Denny's) has
to actually start heading for the car, etc. which makes some of the
other people believe [s]he is actually serious about it --- triggering
a defense mechanism and hopefully a better suggestion... :-)

BBC