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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:12:23 GMT

There's an informal Italian peasant ceremony that involves
putting a little wine on the baby's lips and letting them 
lick it up.  I'm not sure what else is said.

There's always the beautiful ceremony mentioned in _Roots_,
but I hesitate to recommend it since it smacks of cultural
strip mining.  The baby's name is whispered into their ear,
usually right after birth so they can be the first person 
to hear their own name, and they are held up to face the 
heavens and told, "Behold, the only thing greater than yourself."
At least this is the version that Alex Haley claims was used
for his n-th generation grandfather in the Gambia.  It never
fails to mist me up, but again, using it is a little like
cultural strip mining.  Perhaps a varioation on this would be
best.  

Blessings,
Janis 
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From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:17:19 GMT

In article <1icu8qINNh5l@network.ucsd.edu>, ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg) writes:
> Well, our pediatrician didn't seem keen on tubes either, even though
> my daughter got almost continuous infections from 6 mo. to 1.5 yrs
> old.  We finally persued it and got them.  She has had 2 infections
> in the past year since getting the tubes, so I am very happy with
> them.  She is supposed to wear earplugs though, whenever she is in
> water now.  Do others do this?  I've heard of some doctors who say
> no earplugs are needed.

A couple of comments on this.  Our ped. (as well as us) viewed tubes as a
last resort.  When the antibiotics didn't work (constant ear infections in
spite of them) and we noticed some speech delay our ped. sent us for a
hearing test for Billy.  There was a measurable hearing loss caused by the
fluid in his ears.  At that point we went for the tubes and the infections
stopped and his speech picked right up.

As for the ear plugs, our ENT told us that you should use the plugs as
a precaution (since water in the ear is not a great thing).  In fact, though,
the tubes sit roughly horizontal so when water runs over the head, the
likelihood of some seepage into the ear is pretty low (the tubes are *very*
small).  He commented that unless the head is submerged, it's usually not
an issue.

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [31 months])
	ssa@usl.com
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From: Chris_Golding@mindlink.bc.ca (Chris Golding)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:37:23 GMT

We avoid bleach and harsh laundry detergents altogether by using Vinegar
and Washing Soda (Arm and Hammer).

So far no problems with enamel, and the diapers are still white.

These products are better for the environment and probably better for
your machine as well.

Good luck.
Chris
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From: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:14:48 GMT
Reply-To: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Corporate Customer Services  NCR Dayton WHQ-4E


Seventh Grade civics class, Liberal KS 1975. We went from the Declaration of
Independance thru all the amendments. Read the whole thing with quizes.


Kurt Staiger
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Turning a breech baby
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:53:45 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1993Jan6.174343.2067@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com 
(Vicki O'Day) writes:
> 
> Paula wrote: 
>
[No--Peggy Brown wrote this, not me or another Paula! Peggy's address 
is oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu; we disagree about at least one 
issue, so don't confuse us.]
> 
> > I'm 25 weeks and have always felt kicking at the bottom of my
> > uterus, below the belly-button, never at the top.  Is this
> > unusual?  I also have an anterior placenta (attached to the front
> > of the uterus not the back) and was told that it would not be
> > possible to turn the baby with this type of placenta.  The
> > possibility of the baby being breech has always been in the back
> > of my mind.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Well, I'll just suggest what another poster already referred to - see
> if in a few weeks you can feel baby parts and figure out what they
> are.  

My placenta was anterior, so my doctor said she wouldn't be able to turn 
my baby externally, although she does do external versions. She said that 
the placenta would get in the way. So she told me to do the usual 
exercises, which another poster has described well. However, they didn't 
do much for me. Then I looked at the geometry of it: Both the bottom-in-
air and the supine, hips-on-pillow positions encourage the baby to turn 
around an axis that may be imagined as running from one hipbone to the 
other. With the placenta in front, that's not easy. So I tried lying 
*on my side*, with my hips on several hard pillows. It worked the first 
day I tried it.

Of course, it may be that my pictures have nothing to do with the actual 
process, and it was merely coincidence that this position worked when the 
others didn't. I offer it merely as another possibility.

I felt kicking at the bottom of my uterus when my baby was breech, and at 
the top after he turned, so I think that what you feel may be a pretty good 
guide.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:45:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan5.170323.13581@sarah.albany.edu>, rw9601@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
> I was exposed to chicken pox several times during my life, and
> the most recent time was when I was 23.  I have never caught it,
> and I guess that if I was going to have gotten it, I would have
> by now.
>  
> When I asked my doctor why I hadn't gotten it, she said it was
> possible that I had, but that it had been a very milk case and that
> I just hadn't noticed it.

If the answer is important enough, the doctor can do an immune assay to
tell for sure.  My wife had one done during the first trimester of her
first pregnancy, when there was an avoidable opportunity for exposure.
Based on the results of the test, and the advice of the doctor, we
skipped a family gathering.  (And by doing so, we also angered some
relatives -- which just goes to show that some people aren't capable of
rational thought.)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:34:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1993Jan06.145126.21295@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> Maria.Scott@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM writes:
>[...]
>My pediatrician tells me that at 15 months you can start putting them in
>time-out in their room (ie close the door and leave them in their room
>for a few minutes - provided it is properly child-proofed).
[...]

Obligatory disclaimer:  all kids are different and different methods
work with different kids.

That having been stated, I would get a new pediatrician--one who
might actually know something about child development, for example!
I just don't understand why someone would recommend punitive
time-outs for something as benign and normal as throwing food,
especially for children so young.  As others in this thread have
noted quite well, logical consequences (end of meal, child should
help clean up the mess), and a healthy sense of humor and patience are 
much more likely to work than a punitive approach.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
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From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:30:25 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan6.220406.27070@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
=>In article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
=>>
=>>*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
=>>so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
=>>his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
=>>they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!
=>>
=>>It makes you wonder, doesn't it?
=>
=>What makes me wonder, is YOUR attitude and response to him.  Do you 
=>automatically
=>assume that one who exercises his constitutional rights is HIDING?  Why?
=>
=>Jennifer

You know, it's when people with pburch's attitude have government jobs,
at oh let's say the local child abuse agency, that you really need to
heed the advice given in the original article.  Read it again.  It's a
government employee asking these questions that would constitute your
worst nightmare.  Especially important is the last sentence.  This is
all that some people need to convict you in their own minds.  When someone
who wields the power that we entrust the government with has done that,
you're in deep trouble.

=>>*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
=>>so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
=>>his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
=>>they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!

Yup, that's all *she* needs to convict the guy of "not being normal", one of
the highest crimes you can commit in any society (as anyone who survived
junior high school knows!).

-- 
Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
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From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: external version
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:37:58 GMT

I had to have an external version at 37 weeks - It was my 2nd
pregnancy (no probs with the 1st - 2 weeks early) and she was
 in the breech position practivcally the whole time!! 

The external version itself was no picnic I can tell you.. but
before you cring it was WELL worth it adn I would DEFINITELY do
it again if needed.. She tried furiously for 48 hours to return to 
her breech position (we found out it was a 'her' due to the version
and sonogram that is used to aid the version!!) with me saying prayers 
continually that she wouldn't succeed.. God was listening :-) after 
the frantic 48 hrs she calmed down and seemed resigned to that 
position and was born normally with no complications (30 mins labor) 
6 days later (exactly 12 days early as my son had been)...

Now back to the procedure - MAKE SURE that the OBYGN CUTS HIS
FINGER NAILS!!! I had deep circular tracks gouged into my stomach from 
that!!  They literally have to dig the baby's head out of your pelvis 
and turn with completely round to past the 180 degrees mark without 
letting go, this is the painful bit as your skin goes around with it and 
the pressure is quite intense - BUT the worst bit was once she got past the 
180 degree mark and all of a sudden SHOT into the correct position with 
one great fell swoop and I almost passed out from the blood rush or 
whatever it was the Doctor did explain it to me at the time (I was too 
nauseated to take it in that well :-) My sweet and adoring husband 
very sweetly hugged me and asked me if I was allright - UNFORTUNATELY 
he had just had a cup of coffee and the smell overcame me and I PUKED 
EVERYWHERE :-(  

Once I overcame that (only brief) I was fine and even came to work ...
I immediately felt the vigorous movment as she tried to push out of 
the pelvis and get back around!! Then by the time I got home I felt as 
though I had been run over by a freight train and was very sore and tired.

This may sound AWFUL, but really it wasn't and I'd do it again in a
heartbeat to avoid a C-section... 

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From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:42:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.223008.14297@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> Of course my kids figure that stuff out in about 10 minutes :).

Isn't that the truth!  The other day I went to give Billy some cough syrup
and he picked up the bottle and tried to open it.  I started to explain to
him that he wouldn't be able to when he handed me the cap.  Yikes!

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [31 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:58:30 GMT


In article <1iv9gbINN76r@mizar.usc.edu>, biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
> Reading all this about walking to school brought back a bit of memory that
> I walked to school by myself in kindergarten and first grade. The school
> was about 1/2 mile away, I don't think there were any big streets but
> I do remember I used to cut through the Pepperdine campus (and getting
> in trouble because I stayed there to play at the playground in the married
> students housing complex instead of going straight home). In retrospect
> that seems far too much for a 5 or 6 year old. And when we moved (when I was
> in second grade), I walked a mile to school. My guess would be that it might
> be OK for a kid in a small town, but in L.A. it just seems far too risky to
> let a small kid walk that far alone. At least in L.A. these days.
> 
> Susan
> 
I agree, I moved to LA area in the 4th grade and I still live here.  Although
I live in afluent Laguna Beach I think the nature of a big city causes me to
not even think about letting my 5 yo go anywhere by herself.  She went two
houses down from her grandmas house to play with the kids there and I sat in
the house and watched her the entire time, they were playing outside.  It is
not that I think she will run out in the street.  She is bright and has been 
told.  I just worry that someone will see her and try to get her into the car.
If we lived in the small town in Missouri where my parents grew up I think
she could have the run of the neighborhood.  It is a matter of where and when
you live.

Karen
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:47:24 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <1755@optigfx.optigfx.com>
wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
 
>
>Happy New Year!
>
>During the holidays, we were at the airport to pickup
>my mother.  The plane, as usual, was delayed and we were
>glad to found out that one section of the waiting area
>was intented for kids.  There was a Little-Tikes Slide,
>a FP Picnic Table and a Duplo table with plenty of blocks.
>It was certainly enough to keep Christine entertained for
>the 45 minutes or so we had to wait.
>
>I haven't been to the San Diego airport for a year now
>so I don't know how new is this facility.  I wonder how
>common is this in other airports?
>
 
I've NEVER seen anything like this!  (Airports in New York - Kennedy,
Detroit, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Lexington, Munich, Frankfurt)  But,
man would I have needed one of those last year in New York when I
had to spend 5(!) hours in New York with Tatijana (then about 18
months) waiting for my connecting flight to Germany.  I had to do
the same thing on the way back.
 
I've learned since then.  I'll never go through New York again.
Detroit makes much more sense, even though everybody makes fun of
me when I tell them that I have to change planes in Detroit to
get to Germany (Detroit - what would you want to do there?).
There's only 1 hour lay over each way if I take that route.  With
an active Toddler, and looking forward to and 8 hour flight (or
coming from one) that makes all the difference in the world.
 
>Alice Wang
>Mom to Christine, 1 yo
>wang@optigfx.com
>
>
Stephanie
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From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:06:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204054.5867@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any thoughts as to taking castor oil to bring on
>labor??

It supposedly works by causing the intestines to move and contract.  Because
the intestines of a very pregnant woman are pressed against the uterus,
the motion stimulates uterine activity.  A lot of people say it has worked
for them.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: liwen@cafaro.Eng.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for experienced OB/GYN doctor
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:45:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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I am looking for an experienced OB/GYNs doctor with specialty in treating
Endometriosis and handling high-risk pregnacies. The patient had Placenta 
Previa in her first pregnancy. I am looking for the doctor in Sunnyvale,
Cupertino, Los Altos, Mountain View, Palo Alto, or the near-by cities. 
Any information or help will be highly appreciated. Please reply to me 
by mail (liwen.chen@eng.sun.com), since I don't read news very often. 
Thanks.


Li-Wen
From: rabbit@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:19:57 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lindy.stanford.edu


This follow-up is in response to toddler table manners:
*************************
Both my boys, when they reached about 15 months, started to throw their
food on the floor.  They both ignored any admonisions to desist.  Since
I don't consider the dinner table a place for confrontation, we decided to
ignore the behavior.  The deliberate throwing and dropping of food, in
both cases, stopped after a few meals.  It may be coincidence, or it
just wasn't much fun to drop food if it never got any attention.  Even
before they could talk, we tried to make conversation that had nothing
to do with their eating.  I think many battles over dinner are for
attention.  My boys are not twins.


Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:29:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
>a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
>that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
>but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
>mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
>soothing for some reason).

I remember a Lamaze instructor saying to be careful what
music you choose to listen to during labor--seems she had
chosen some of her favorite music, and it didn't help that
much, and years laters she still can't listen to it without
it evoking unpleasant memories.
 
In general, I think it is _very_ hard to predict what any
one woman is going to find helpful during labor--even something
that helped during one delivery may seem unpleasant during a
subsequent delivery.

So, bring the tape recorder & turn it off if it bugs you!

Sue
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From: remer@cwis.unomaha.edu (Lynne Remer)
Subject: eating in labour
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:15:40 GMT

I'm trying to track down some citations from the studies that have been
done on eating during labour.  they woudlnt' let me eat a thing with my
first and i was a bit too hungry to be comfortable.  if anyone can tell
me even which journals or magazines have published the studies it would
help a lot!

also, i'd love to get the names (and locations) of hospitals that allow
eating, or even just drinking, during labour.  i'm not due for a very
long time, but i want to get to work early...besides...i can do a lot 
of letter writting when i'm snowed inside the house (like right now)

thanks!

lynne remer
remer@cwis.unomaha.edu
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fertility and frequency
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:40:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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Keywords: Sperm

In article <srheault.726691339@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>My wife and I have been trying for some months now to start a family,
>and we have been at the receiving end of a barrage of advice from
>friends. The one point that no-one can agree on is how long we should
>be waiting between attempts during her fertile days.
>To put a fine point on it, how long does it take for sperm to build up
>after they are released? Should we wait 24 hours? 48 hours? Are there
>enough sperm to try again the same day?
>
>Steven Rheault Kihara
>A man hoping the latter is the correct answer

My sister-in-law and husbad and been trying for almost 2 years.
They recently (3 months ago) were referred to a fertility
doctor.  The doctor says everyday for 10 days in a row, though
I don't exactly know which day they start.  She takes her
temp every day and is on Clomid, so I think they start
having sex on day 10 of her cycle, through day 20.

Good luck - and don't fret, a few months isn't long!

Valerie

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