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From: kandaz@gmd.de
 (Buelent Kandaz)
Subject: Bir Gece
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:06:31 GMT

BIR GECE

Ondrt asir evvel, yine byle bir geceydi,
Kumdan, ayin on drd, bir ksz cikiverdi!
Lakin, o ne hsrandi ki:Hissetmedi gzler;
Kac bin senedir, halbuki beklesmedelerdi!
Nerden grecekler? Gremezlerdi tabii
Bir kerre, zuhur ettigi cl, en sapa yerdi.
Bir kerre de, mamure-i dnya, o zamanlar,
Buhranlar icindeydi, bugnden de beterdi.

Sirtlanlari gecmisti beser yirticilikta;
Dissiz mi bir insan, onu kardesleri yerdi!
Fevza btn afakina sarmisti zeminin,
Salgindi, bugn Sark yikan, tefrika derdi.
Derken , byms, kirkina galmistiki ksuz,
Baslarda gezen kanli ayaklar suya erdi!
Bir nefhada insanligi kutardi O Masum,
Bir hamlede kayserleri, kisralari serdi!
Aczin ki, ezilmekti btn hakki, dirildi;

Zlmn ki, zeval aklina gelmezdi, geberdi!
Alemlere rahmetti, evet, ser-i mbini,
Sehbalini, adl isteyenin yurduna gerdi.
Dnya neye sahipse, O`nun vergisidir hep;
Medyn O`na cemyetti, medyn O`na ferdi.
Medyumdur O masuma btn bir beserriyet..
Ya Rab, bizi mahserde bu ikrar ile hasret.

Mehmet Akif Ersoy

Bu vesile ile arkadslarin YENI YILINI kutlar, Saglikli ve basarili
calismalar,
diler.Hz.MUHAMMEDe ve Islama dil uzatanlarin Afifini Allahtan niyaz
ederim.
Kalin saglicakla,

Blent

Blent Kandaz, GMD - K3T1,  kandaz@gmd.de, (++49 2241) 14-2002
 GMD ( German National Research Center for Computer Science )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:57:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.101335.17196@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>	   Hediye uygar insanlara, parlak lara vede tas bebeklere laiktir.
>	   Eyer tasraliysan hediye kelimesini sil sozlugunden yerine
>	   sadaka veya fitra (fitre?) koy. Maestro aslinda hemen 

Iste yine onyargilarin ve sekilciligin gostergesi. "Parlak", "tas bebek".

Tamam, dinimizde sadaka, fitre var. Iyi guzel. Peki neden hediye size bu 
kadar batiyor? Aslinda Kuran'in dili olan Arapca'dan gelmedir.

>	   Dogu kulturu (ozellikle islam kokenli) batida kabul edilmez.
>	   hatta asagilanir. Durmadan ustune gidersen de komik duruma
>	   dusersin, kendini batiya kabul ettiremezsin, zor. Cunku
>	   onlar hep maskeli bir balodaki sigir surusu gibidir.
>	   Hep degisik maskeler kullanirlar, yerine gore.
>	   Ya cok calisacaksin, ya iyi muzisyen olacaksin veya iyi
>	   bir sporcu olacakin ki ancak belki kabul edilesin.

Dogru, bati dunyasinda sayilmanin yollari (1) cok calismak (2) cok
calismak (3) cok calismak (4) 1,2,3'un sonucu olarak basarili olmak
(5) acimasiz olmak (6) insanliga degil de paraya onem vermek.

>	   Bati bizi istemiyor, neden israr ediyoruz?
>	   Bu ne gurursuzluk anlamasi zor.

Bati'ya "yavsamamizin" nedeni cok. Taklitcilikten, gormemislikten, 
mazlumluktan. Ama bence en onemlisi, bizim buyuklerimizin kalkinmamiz
icin Bati'nin yardimina gereksindigimizi dusunduklerinden. Tabi
Bati enayi degil, iyilik icin yardim eder mi? Yine de en azindan
kredi almak icin onlara muhtaciz. 

>	   Ben 13 yil buralarda surttum, cok sey oyrendigimi saniyorum.

Bu 13 yil boyunca Turkiye'de ne kadar bulundunuz?
  
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Basketbol kar$Ila$malarI
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:42:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Soc.culture.turk'ten alInan bir haber:


> Sender: erkam@acadia (Yusuf Murat Erkam)

Basketbol Avrupa Kupalari (last update 1/5/93)
=========================

Kupa Galipleri Kupasi
---------------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92        Efes Pilsen - Smelt Olympija (Slovenya)         : 69-52

12/01/92        Broceni Riga (Letonya) - Efes Pilsen            : 72-93

12/08/92        Zaragosa (Ispanya) - Efes Pilsen                : 63-65

12/15/92        Efes Pilsen - CSKA Moscow (Rusya)               : 85-82

01/05/93        Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israil) - Efes Pilsen          : 87-90

        Puan Durumu     0 G M P
        1.Efes Pilsen   5 5 0 8

6 takimli grupta Efes Pilsen na-maglup lider durumda. Lig usulu
oynanan maclar bittikten sonra grup birincisi ile ikincisinin
oynayacagi 3 maclik bir seri ve daha sonra diger grubun seri galibi ile
5 maclik Avrupa Kupa Galipleri Kupasi Finali oynanacak.

Korac Kupasi
------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92        Charleroi (Belcika) - Fenerbahce                : 80-75

12/01/92        Clear Cantu (Italya) - Fenerbahce               : 97-80

12/08/92        Fenerbahce - KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan)     : 77-64

12/16/92        Fenerbahce - Charleroi (Belcika)                : 75-70

01/06/93        Fenerbahce - Clear Cantu (Italya)               :

01/13/93        KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan) - Fenerbahce     :


        Puan Durumu     O G M P
        1.Cantu         4 3 1 7
        2.Fenerbahce    4 2 2 6
        3.KK Zagrep     4 2 2 6
        4.Charleroi     4 1 3 5

13 Ocak'ta bitecek grup maclarindan sonra grup birinci ve ikincisi,
4 takimlik lig usulu oynanacak Korac Kupasi Final Grubu'na kalacak.

PS: Basketbol ile ilgili bilgilerin cogu su anda Turkiye'de olan
    Murat Tekalp'ten.....


Basketbol Turkiye 1.Ligi
========================

Ilk yari sonucu
                         0   G  M   P
1. Efes Pilsen          15  15  -  30
2. Fenerbahce           15  13  2  28
3. Nasas
4. Tofas SAS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **)
Subject: MUSLUMAN GELENEKLERI (!)
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mario@meng.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:45:32 GMT


Musluman Turk(iye) gelenekleri hoslarina gitmedi. "Mustekreh" buldular.
Hadi biraz da Musluman geleneklerinden bahsedelim.
Hani su  Zuhruf suresi, ayet 31, Allah kelami kolelik caizdir,hatta
Allah'in tertibidir buyuran, o "muthis" kitaba inanan,kicini yikamasini
bile bilmeyen, petrol'leri kuruyunca veya baska bir enerji kaynagi
yaygin kullanilmaya baslayinca (ki cok yakindir) tekrar geldigi yere,
colun ortasina, yagli parmaklarini pilav kazanina daldirmaya donecek
sefil araplarin geleneklerinden.

Cehalletten donmus, kaliplasmis,ortacagda ulastigi yuksek uygarlik
duzeyinin de cok gerilerine dusmus,kendi kendini bile yineleyemeyen,
kendi kendisinin karikaturu olmus Islam dunyasinin geleneklerinden.

Hani o Ankara`ya resmi ziyaret yapip Anitkabir'i es gecen,Konya'da 
seriat'ci mitingine giden hokkabazlarin,Ingiliz altinini alinca
Osmanli askerlerinin bogazini kivrik kisa bicaklariyla kesen, o pek de
insana benzemeyen,yilisik fettah'larin geleneginden.

Televizyon da Allah oldur bilmemne suresi bilmem kacinci ayet yayini,
sokakta adam basi molla sariklilarin,kara carsafli karilarin,on bir
yasindaki sabi subyan'in alnina sehit yazip,ak kefenini daha cepheye
gitmeden once giydirip,ellerine de celik comak verenlerin, kadin ve
cocuklari zehirli gazlarla oldurenlerin geleneklerinden.

Ve ozene bezene,onlardan alinan din'den!

Kaya Guralp yazilarina,islam'in yerel Bedevi din'i oldugunu one surerek
baslamisti. O zaman'in iman,ahlak ve adalet sistemi, Caginin
"kaldirabildigi" oranda uygulanmis,col bedevisinin anlayacagi oranda
aciklanmis,algilayabilecegi orneklerle bezenip ozendirilmis bir butun
diyordu. Baldiriciplak bedevinin hosgorebilecegi kadar kadin ozgurlugu,
onaylayabilecegi kadar kolelik.

Oyle ya, su cennet tasvirlerine bakiniz,neresinden bakarsaniz bakiniz bir 
Arap cenneti! Vaha,hurma,su dibi,golge,serinlik..
Cehennem col cehennemi,sicak,alev,ates..Oysa cennette sedirler,minderler,
av etleri..Neden hurma var da,ananas,kiwi,guava,avakado yok? Hadi bakalim!

Maestro Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject: Re: Parlak Beytullah
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:46:19 GMT

In article <8886.9301111459@thor.cf.ac.uk>, speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk 
(Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes...
>Sen terbiyeni takin aslanim. Seni tehdid eden falan yoktur.
>Seninle karsilikli konusmak yerinde olacak. Klavyenin arkasindan
>soylediklerini bakalim yuzume soyleyecekmisin. Karsima gecte sen
>bana mankafa de benim istedigim odur. Bak ne guzel yazmissin
>karsina cikarsak bizi ne yapcagini (!). Ben hazirim hadi sende
>eger erkeksen yaz adresini. Laf etmeyi sevmem yakinda memlekete
>gidecegim. Er gec gelip seni bulmak benim boynumun borcu olsun.

>Korkma sakin... Bu bir tehdid degil. Bu bir erkek adam sozu.
>Klavyenin arkasindan erkek olmak kolay. Ben oylelerine erkek degil
>sadece korkak bir adi yaratik diyorum.
> 
> 
> 
>Ercan

Bana bak,mankafa Ercan veleti:
Senin her tarafin tehdit olsa ne olur,ates olsan cumrun kadar yer 
yakarsin.Sen benimle filan konusamazsin. Insaat yapsam su tasitmam 
sana ve Beytullah'a.Onun icin bu klavye ayaklarini birak ve haddini
bil..Rus kopekleri lafi bitti,simdi ver adresini muhabbeti basladi,
diyorum ya,apartmanda kapicilik bile yaptirmam size.
O klavyenin arkasinda hayatinda ilk defa adam yerine konmanin
dayanilmaz zevkini tadiyorsun herhalde.

Ben  senin gibilerine korkak'tanda ote akraba evliligi urunu diyorum.
Gerisini sen anla!

MUB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Fikralar
Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:57:55 GMT

Iyi niyetlerinden suphe duymadigim bazi arkadaslarin TRN'e yolladiklari
fikralari okudum. Kendilerinden ricam, mumkunse, cok gerekmedikce bir daha fikra
yollamamalari.

Bu haliyle Net'de arayinca gulunebilecek sey bulmasi cok kolay, zaten. Bugun
Kill prosedurumu gecmeyi basaran 60 kadar yazi arasindan 5-6 tanesini anlatilan
fikralardan daha komik buldum. 

Yine de Net'e fikra yollayarak okuyanlari guldurmeyi hedefleyen arkadaslara
tesekkurler. Ayni amacla yazmamis da olsa "*Common*, Ingilizce bilmiyorsan ac da
sozluge bak..." diyen arkadasa da tesekkurler. Yazisinda soru eki -mi'yi ve 'ki'
baglacini caresizce beraber kullanmaya calisirken dogru seklini deneme yanilma
ile arayan (ve de bulamayan) arkadasa da tesekkurler.

Robert Szelepcsenyi adli Cekoslovak arkadasin TR'ye calismaya giden babasinin
tutup da bizim esnafa adina fatura yazdirmaya kalkabilecegi dusuncesi de beni bu
fikralardan cok guldurdu.

--
Onur Yalcin 
oyalcin@iastate.edu

"Serefe"
From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Fikralar
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se(Hilmi Eren)
Organization: Stockholm University




|>|>In article <1993Jan6.135755@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes:

|>|> Iyi niyetlerinden suphe duymadigim bazi arkadaslarin TRN'e yolladiklari
|>|> fikralari okudum. Kendilerinden ricam, mumkunse, cok gerekmedikce bir daha fikra
|>|> yollamamalari.
|>|> 
|>
|>|> --
|>|> Onur Yalcin 
|>|> oyalcin@iastate.edu
|>|> 
|>|> "Serefe"



|>Tolga Kuru Writes:

|>Deli sacmasiyla dolu olan nette kirk yilin basinda biri bir fikra yolladi diye
|>onlari kinamaktansa tessekkur etmek lazim.  Bence sahsen cok iyi bir fikir. Nette
|>hoslanmadigim bir suru yazi cikiyor.  Hicbirini okumuyorum.  Eger sizde de fikra
|>mizah anlayisi yoksa, yada boyle seyler icin cok ciddi biri iseysiniz, sizde
|>okumadan gecin- bir daha fikra yazma diye yazi yazmaktan daha kolay!!!!!
|>
|>Fikra yazan arkadaslara da tessekkurler.
|>
|>Bir laz fikrasida benden:
|>
|>Temel cok kotu bir suc islemis, asilmaya goturuluyormus, son bir sozun var mi
|>demisler:
|>
|>- Bu bana bir ders olsun, demis.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>Tolga Kuru
|>-- 
|> Intel, Corp.
|> 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
|> Chandler, AZ  85226
|>


+ Bazilari sct'deki bazi "luzumsuzluklere ragmen" bir fikra yolluyorlar, Onur Yalcin Bey'in
+ "onuruna" dokunuyor ve okuyunuz ne diyor:
+ "... Kendilerinden ricam, mumkunse, cok gerekmedikce bir daha fikra yollamamalari...."
+ Bu ne demek yahu? Zamanin ne zamani"gerekmedikce" ne  zamani "gerekdikce"? Tuvalet mi burasi,
+ luzum ederse gidersin, luzum etmeyince gitmesin...ne yani fikralar once senin adresine sonra da, eger
+ sen begenirsen, sct'ye mi gonderelim? 
+ Okursun, okumazsin o senin bilecegin is , "Kill" fonksiyonu bosuna durmuyor...

+ Bak, biz "butun luzumsuzluklere ragmen" diyoruz...- Dur arkadas sen sacmaliyorsun ( misal vermeye gerek 
+ yok)...sen sct "gerekmedikce yazma" diyormuyuz?

+ Lutfen once Usenet'in kurallarini ogren ondan sonra ot...

+ not: fikranin sonuna "luzumsuz" yorumlara ihtiyac yok dedigim halde "luzumsuz" yorum yapan oldu...
+ artik gerisin sen dusun...






+ Hilmi Eren
+ Stockholm University
+ Sweden
+ Internet: Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Concept of God in Islam-14   (Al-Hakam)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:17:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


##########################################################################
AL HAKAM

         He is the one who orders.
         He is the bringer of justice and truth. He judges, and
         executes His justice. There is no justice but His. None can
         oppose His decree and none can prevent or delay the execu-
         tion of His orders. He is the cause of the judged, the judge,
         the justice, and the judgment. All that happens in the uni-
         verse is the effect of that one and only cause.
         How can man, who is shortsighted, see the beginning and
         end of a chain of events? How often grandchildren pay for
         the sins of grandfathers, and fathers pay in advance for the
         sins of future generations! Do not judge Allah's justice.
         Often poison for one is medicine for another.
         Allah has written His divine law in His holy books. Man
         understands it to the extent of his purity, sincerity, faith,
         knowledge, wisdom, and hnally to the extent of his lot.
         Again according to his lot, man obeys or rebels and is
         rewarded or punished accordingly.
         In Allah's attribute of the greatJudge, al-Hakam, there are
         good tidings to the faithful, and a warning to the
         nonbelievers.
         O believer, first be a true judge of yourself. Neither tyran-
         nize yourself nor excuse and pamper yourself. Then judge
         others as you judge yourself. If you have any power to
         execute your judgment, make sure that your judgment is not
         other than Allah's decree and your power none other than
         that which is in His hand.

         'Abd al~lakam is he who executes Allah's judgement upon
         His servants as He wills.

Fwd by Remzi Cirit

##############################################################################
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Greek trucks diverted to Bulgaria, after Skopje denies entry (fwd)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:42:06 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> From cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk!TEX5HAD Tue Jan  5 17:59:00 1993
> Via: uk.ac.leeds.ucs.cms1; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:29:59 +0000
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:28:14 GMT
> From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk>

> : Greek trucks diverted to Bulgaria, after Skopje denies entry

        ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- The former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia is
 denying entry to Greek trucks, and Greece has begun diverting its trucks
 through Bulgaria to reach Serbia, a Foreign Ministry official said
 Tuesday.
        Border officials of the former Yugoslav republic stopped 10 Greek
 trucks late Monday after the drivers failed to produce transit cards
 bearing the name ``Macedonia,'' and the drivers spent the night outdoors
 in freezing weather, the official said.
        Athens responded by closing the Greek border to trucks bearing Skopje
 license plates, he said. Greece has begun diverting its northbound
 trucks through Bulgaria, and those heading for Serbia will pass through
 Sofia, the official said.
        The border incident was the latest twist in the dispute between the
 two countries over the name ``Macedonia,'' which the former Yugoslav
 republic insists on using. Athens says use of the name indicates Skopje
 harbors territorial ambitions in Greece.
        Officials said Skopje precipitated the latest incident when it
 demanded that trucks passing through its territory should carry transit
 cards bearing the name ``Macedonia.''
        Greece says the transit cards should bear the words ``The Former
 Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,'' because Skopje has not been recognized
 by the European Community and other international bodies under the name
 ``Macedonia.
        Athens is currently conducting an interntional diplomatic campaign to
 prevent recognition by the U.N. Security Council.
        Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis's government is however
 considering a proposal by French President Francois Mitterrand that the
 dispute should be settled by international arbitration.
        Foreign Minister Michalis Papaconstantinou said the initiative ``is
 within the framework of the United Nations and will be the subject of
 careful study and attention, especially as it was made by a leader of
 international stature and a tried and true friend.''
        Mitterrand made the proposal Sunday at a joint press conference with
 U.S. President George Bush in Paris.
        ``The problem is not one of recognition of this country, but of the
 name, which brings it into direct confrontation with Greece,''
 Mitterrand told reporters. ``The objections of both sides must be taken
 into consideration,'' he said.
             _
 |-| /-\ |_ |_| |<
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Some Notes on Turkish Classical Music System
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:45:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Before I start, I am by no means an expert on Turkish classical music
system.  I used to wonder what all the Makam's meant and finally read up
on it.  I apologize in advance for all mistakes, simplifications and
hope that others more knowledgeable would join in on the discussion.  

Surc-i lisan ettiysek, affola.

Some Notes on Turkish Music System:

Western music system uses twelve distinct possible sounds (one every
half step) in one scale.  Turkish music diverges from this point on.  In
Turkish music, each one whole step is divided into nine equal intervals.
There are valid sounds at the 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th intervals.  This is
distinct from the Western music in which one whole step is divided into
two equal intervals (the sharp or the flat, depending on the direction
you are coming from).  The result is 25 distinct sounds within the space
of one scale, of unequal spacing as opposed to the 12 distinct sounds of
equal spacing.  The names of the 25 notes are below, starting from
Middle C (Do) and going up.  I am including the names, since it sheds
light as to what is meant when there is something of the rast makam
playing (it means it is on the G (Sol) scale ).

Chargah -- 	Do
Dik Buselik
Buselik --	Si
Segah
Dik Kurdi 
Kurdi
Dugah -- 	la
Dik Zirgule
Zirgule
Nim Zirgule
Rast -- 	sol
Dik Gevesht
Gevesht 
Irak
Dik Acem Asiran
Acem Asiran -- 	fa
Huseyni Asiran -mi
Kaba Dik Hisar
Kaba Hisar
Kaba Nim Hisar
Yegah -- 	re
Kaba Dik Hicaz
Kaba Hicaz
Kaba Nim Hicaz 
Kaba Chargah -- do

Next how to form scales in Turkish music.

regards,
Deniz Akkus 

PS. I have used extensively Turk Musikisi Nazariyati ve Usulleri, Kudum
Velveleleri by Ismail Hakki Ozkan published by Otuken Yayinevi.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject:  Re: Cyprus....who does it belong to???
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:11:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.164918.10088@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes...
>I really do not get it.....So who owns Cyprus?  ...the greeks
>or the turks?...
> 
>Every time I talk to a greek person...all they want to do is kill
>or turks....while many turks really don't care about the island.
> 

Don't bother,greeks don't know what they're doing and talking about.
They like killing people,esp. Turks,whenever they've got an 
opportunity.If they can't do it literally,they do it by using
their kill-files.

>Why is it when people leave from Lebanon to Cyprus they
>go to Larnaka to catch an airplane to London and not 
>the Turkish side?  

Why don't you ask this question to Lebonese? I/m also wandering..

>Hey I have an idea....just give it to Lebanon...ahahhaha
> 
>Thanks
> 
> 
>John

Very funny,hohohohohohohohohoho,
by the way: Is there still a country called Lebanon ??

You are a funny man, i like it..

MUB
From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Cyprus....who does it belong to???
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:49:18 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I really do not get it.....So who owns Cyprus?  ...the greeks
or the turks?...

Every time I talk to a greek person...all they want to do is kill
or turks....while many turks really don't care about the island.

Why is it when people leave from Lebanon to Cyprus they
go to Larnaka to catch an airplane to London and not 
the Turkish side?  

It is only an island...why doesn't one party, either one..
just leave.  Greeks and Turkey are two large countries..


Hey I have an idea....just give it to Lebanon...ahahhaha



Thanks


John
From: enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Islamic World News
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:50:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <01GTA6Y38MYA006MJF@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>, by RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT):
> From:	VAXF::IN%"imnet@u.washington.edu"  "Islamic Movement Network"  7-JAN-1993 15:27:43.65
> To:	IN%"imnet@u.washington.edu"  "Islamic Movement Network"
> CC:	
> Subj:	ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (LATE ISSUE)
> 
> ============================================================================
> |              ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (JAN. 5TH, 1993)                         |
> |     In this issue:                                                       |
> 
> NEWS JANUARY 04, 1993
> 
> BOSNIA-HERCEGOVINA
> The UN and European Community-sponsored conference on former Yugoslavia
> was postponed on January 4 for five days because the Serbian fascist,


	I really do not believe the Islamic World other than Turks
	gives a damn to the horrible crimes Serbian murderers are 
	committing to Turks and other Moslems in former Yugoslavia.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Parlak Beytullah
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:22:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <93Jan0822151544583@beach.csulb.edu> basaran@beach.csulb.edu writes:
|
|Yahu ensest Beyti, seninde kalbinde patlicanlardaki gibi "allah"
|filan yaziyor mu?? Seni ensest seni,sozlerinin dusunulmesi icin
|once bir anlam ifade etmesi lazim.


Bak ben hic kiziyor muyum Mete'cim? Sen patlican cekirdeginden
patlicanin ciki$indaki Allah'in varligini gosteren binlerce delili
akledemeyecek kadar kor isen patlicanin icindeki yaziyi gorsen ne yazar.

Patlican ile aranda bir ili$ki oldugunu tahmin edebiliyordum zaten. Bunu
itiraf etmi$ oldun. 

Ha ha ha. 1333 sinir hucreniz daha telef oldu. Sifiri tuketiyorsun.

Kimin kimin kar$isinda nasil konu$acagi zamani gelince belli olur. Dag
daga kavu$maz ammaa insan insana (Rabbim nasip ederse) kavu$ur.

Beytullah


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|Mete