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From: hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:42:27 GMT

goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick) writes:

>A couple years ago I picked up one of Ornette Coleman's "earlier"
>albums Called "Something Else!" and it blew me away!  I then bought
>"Free Jazz" - another great album, IMHO.  But then recently I went
>out and bought the album he did a few years ago with Pat Metheney
>"Song X" - a lot of people told me that this is a great album, but
>I just can't get into most of it.  Just the other day I tried listening
>to it again, with the same result.

Song X is not a typical Ornette date. It's closer to '60s energy music
than any of his records that I've heard. It's not a typical Pat Metheny
date either :-)

I don't remember other Ornette records that are like Song X, except maybe
the denser parts of Science Fiction (which I love, of course). But for
more "typical" Ornette offerings, I'd suggest _Shape of Jazz to Come_,
_This is Our Music_ and other Atlantic dates of the '60s, the trio with
Izenson and Moffett, etc.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Abdullah Ibrahim (was Re: Hugh Masekela)
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:13:51 GMT

If I ever get married, I'm going to get an ensemble (that includes
David A. Roth) to play Ibrahim's "The Wedding" as the processional,
and "The Mountain of the Night" as the recessional.   Both are from
the AFRICAN RIVER album.  Both are simple but exquisite songs.
--
                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
From: pvallado@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid )
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Comments on Pat Metheny
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:29:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Whoever announced Pat's appearance on David Letterman, thank you!
Seeing him jam with Paul's band was a treat!  Too bad we didn't get
to see more of him and too bad David didn't take the time to
interview him.

Whoever said that Metheny was a bore, I'm sorry you feel that way.
While he has put out his share of bad material along with the good,
his mastery of phrasing and use of space makes him one of the
greatest improvisers on the planet; far more interesting than lesser
players who try to make up for their faults with excessively fast
playing and other noise.  Those of you who have not heard Metheny's
playing, try him and decide for yourself

Cheers,
Paolo
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From: robd@cherry09 (Robert Derrick)
Subject: Re: Last Train to Clarksville (was Re: train song tape finished)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:31:41 CDT


As a note on the song:  it was probably written by Tommy Boyce
and/or Bobby Hart, a duo whose time just never came, although
they made many appearances on TV -- on I Dream Of Jeannie,
Beverly Hillbilies, and the like.  They wrote many, if not
most of the Monkeys' songs, and I think that they also wrote
Clarksville.  Now, I had one of their albums (or maybe, their
album) many years ago, and as I recall, there was no political
content whatsoever.  I can't imagine these two pre-yuppies
coming up with an anti-war song, but, anythings' possible.

Well, that is a thin thread of evidence, I'll admit.  It 
could be complete incorrect.  But who said that net-traffic
comes with guarantees.

rob derrick
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: axel@gambln.enet.dec.com (Mike Axel)
Subject: Re: Buddy Rich
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 SEP 92 13:25:04    


In article <1992Sep11.151640.7930@alf.uib.no>, s310@brems.ii.uib.no (Chris Tveit) writes...
>I have recently found out what a great drummer Buddy Rich was, and
>what great bands he put together.
>I now need some recomandations on his albums.
> 
>What are the best albums availeble from Buddy.
> 
>I do like his older stuff, the hard-swinging/hard-driving BigBand-jazz, better
>than the later funky (too much guitar-sound) jazz.
> 
>So give me your favorite list.
> 
> 
>Thanks
>Chris the bazzman.
> 
My favorite is "The Roar of '74". It has been reissued under various names on
CD. Some of the selections are:

	"Prelude To A Kiss"
	"Nutville"
	"Backwoods Sidemen"
	"Senator Sam"
	"Waltz of the Mushroom Eaters" (or something like that)

This album has the tightest and most in tune playing of any Buddy Rich music
I have heard. It features Pat LaBarbera on tenor sax and Greg Hopkins on 
trumpet.

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: clements@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Clements)
Subject: Re: Re: Joe Henderson trio
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:35:59 GMT

I thought Henderson's "Take the A-Train" on the tonight show was
good, but "Lush Life" was wonderful, transcendent, beautiful.
But, who can figure the big puppy witht he floppy ears, aka Jay
Leno? The good news is that he has terrific music on his show,
very good news indeed, but the bad news is that he doesn't know
how to act around musicians.

(1) He made some crack to Henderson about showing these young
punks (his band) a thing or two. Insulting to the band and to
Henderson.

(2) He never introduced Henderson's side men!! Jesus Christ!
Where is this guy's manners?

To be kind, let's say the guy is nervous, not (yet) at ease.

And will somebody post the ID of the side men? Also comments
about the performance for an inexperience listener like me?
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Where is Jazz?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:34:09 GMT

sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz) writes:
>........big events like those spoiled New Yorkers get, but we do ok and we
>don't live in New York or New Jersey. 

Yes we are spoiled. And in spite of what you think, New Jersey can be a
nice place to live--we just don't show that part to tourists (if you
only know NJ from what you see on the Turnpike, or between Newark Airport
and NYC, well, then the plan to keep the nice parts of NJ from getting
too crowded is working--we scared you off too). Next time you come to NY
for a gig, Seth, I'll show you some nice parts of NJ: rolling hills,
heavily wooded areas, lakes, streams, etc. A nice place to live (even for
someone from California), and only an hour from NYC--close enough for gigs
but too far to commute (for me, at least). I didn't say it was cheap, but
by Bay area standards its not that expensive :-)

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Re: I am curious about Grant Geissman
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:31:25 GMT

mongeau@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Michael Mongeau) writes:

>In article <j+wnxh_.carhart@netcom.com> carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart) writes:
>>
>>So my question is, does anyone know the background of the Grant Geissman
>>who's signed?  And if it might be the same guy?
>>

>Grant Geissman played with Chuck Mangione for a number of years.  
>That's all I know about him.  


I have one of his CD's: "Flying Colors". It's one of my favorites. Almost all
of the guitar work is done on nylon-string, and since at least half the
songs are in the contemp jazz vein some people would probably compare it
to Earl Klugh. I prefer this album to any of Klugh's work I've yet heard,
primarily due to the fact that Grant's influences seem a little broader.\
There is a lot of latin feel to this album, which i appreciate since I myself
play a similar style (no, not nearly in his league, but working at it).
This is definitely a contemporary sound; there are no jazz standards on the
album, which may dissappoint some who are expecting a Klugh clone.
Album tastes are, of course, highly subjective, but I wouldn't hesitate to
recommend Flying Colors. The other CD's are probably good, too, and they
might have some electric guitar on them.
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Cecil on FMP
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:14:54 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.bbn.com
In-reply-to: hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu's message of 9 Sep 92 20:23:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.202311.3307@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

   >How is the Cecil/Parker/Hosinger (sp?) trio cd also?

   This is part of the Berlin set. It's the first one I picked up (I've also
   heard the awesome European Orchestra 2-CD date, the duet with Derek Bailey,
   and the solo). I'd put it in my top 8 or so Cecil recordings. It doesn't
   all work, but there's a lot of tasty interplay and just generally hot
   playing from all 3 musicians. Highly recommended.


Hmm, I was a bit disappointed with this one, although I'm a big fan of
all three musicians, especially in small group settings like this.
Somehow, this particular set just didn't work for me: too random and
chaotic, although there are certainly some great moments. I like the
Cecil/Bennink duet much more than this; and the Cecil/Derek Bailey
duet somewhat more. Both seemed better focused and more...interactive.
From: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Plastic horns (was Ornette Coleman)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:08:43 GMT
Reply-To: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

The only plastic horns I'm aware of are the Graftons; white plastic,
I believe of British mfr, though not sure. My friend scored one for
$500 in a pawnshop in Oakland; about a month later I saw one
advertised for $2300!

They're beautifully designed, with a real Art Deco appearance and
a nice feel, but the sound to my ear is kinda dark and stuffy.
And my pal is a fine player, so I'm pretty sure I was hearing the
horn proper.

In sum, I'd buy one for $500 from a pawnshop because it's a pretty
thing and worth a lot more, but I wouldn't want it for my main axe.
However, he sure got a lot of attention with it on the gig.
(Sigh...ain't it the way.)
From: hellers@wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: ex ECMers (Re: Gary Burton fans?)
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:05:10 GMT
Organization: UW-Madison

In article <17570385@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:

>   I continue to be blown away by Jack DeJohnette.  

If you want to be "un-blown-away", check out his album ZEBRA, which
features Lester Bowie.  It's mostly drum-synth patterns with Lester
doing his usual thing, but with less focus than usual.  I was excited
about this one when I found it for $6.00 at Shopko the other day, and
it was a letdown.

Joe Hellerstein
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From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Subject: Re: Where is Jazz?
Reply-To: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:49:37 GMT

In article <SMEHTA.92Sep10095441@kwela.nynexst.Com>, Sandeep Mehta writes:

> sue@seada.com (Sue Raul) writes:

> > smehta@nynexst.com writes:

> >In terms of audience interest, I'd say San Francisco is far more
> >"civilized" than NYC.
> 
> Have you been to San Francisco lately?  On what do you base this statement?

No, I haven't been and seen any live jazz in San Francisco since
spring '90 but I do have reliable sources (right Bill, Seth, Vincent
(...)
*only* other audience member. As one of the few open minds and ears
around town he has often complained about almost zero audience
interest in anything that is out-of-the-way musically.
=-=-=-=-=-
You know it, Sandeep.

Now tell us why attendance is so poor in NYC.
Is it the large number of shows competing for the same
audience?  Is it that NYC is only affordable to those too
rich to have taste?  Is it that people are afraid to go to 
clubs like the Knit Fac for some reason?  

Sometimes I think that people here just appreciate the little
crumbs we're thrown...
=-s
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: ex ECMers (Re: Gary Burton fans?)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:05:51 GMT

In article <17570390@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>In rec.music.bluenote, hellers@wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
>
>> >   I continue to be blown away by Jack DeJohnette.  
>> 
>> If you want to be "un-blown-away", check out his album ZEBRA, which
>> features Lester Bowie.
>
>Yeah, but isn't that about 5-10 years old?  And on ECM at that?

No, it was originally on a Japanese label called PAN.  Then MCA bought
the rights and issued it.

Jeff
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From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
Subject: Mel Torme discography wanted
Summary: Mel Torme discography wanted
Keywords: Mel Torme Mel-Tones
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:26:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


        I'm looking to stock up on Mel Torme CDs, but they aren't the easiest
thing to come by 'round these parts.  Does someone have a discography?

        Replies via electronic mail are especially appreciated.


-- 
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
From: saul+@pitt.edu (Alan B Saul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz in the City Film Festival at The Castro
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:30:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep14.204706.23472@PA.dec.com> austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin) writes:
>Saturday Oct 24
>---------------
>
>4pm, 7pm. The Cameraman. One of Buster Keaton's funniest features, this 1928 
>
Yes!

>9pm. Last Date. The Bay Area Premiere of this Dutch documentary about the life
>of iconoclastic saxophonist Eric Dolphy.  Includes historic footage with 
>Charles Mingus (1992)
>
Wow, check it out and let me know more about distribution! Please.
Steven Stovall enjoyed it and gave me a few notes, but I'd love to hear more.

>Sunday Oct 25
>-------------
...

>Jammin' the Blues with Jazz masters Harry Edison, Lester Young, Jacquet, Red
>Callender and Jo Jones.  "Two ofth emost visually ambitious movies ever made
>about Jazz." - Village Voice.
>
A true classic.

>6pm. Sweet Love, Bitter.  The West Coast Premiere of a remarkable film, virtually
>lost for over 25 years and rediscovered in 1992.  One of the first films to deal
>honestly with the bittersweet jazz life.  Based on the last years of Charlie
>Parker.  Starring Dick Gregory with a grogeous score by Mal Waldron.  Directected
>by Herberd Danska (1967)
>
Not true. We showed this in 1974 or 1975 at Pasadena Filmforum. Bobby Bradford
introduced it for us. Interesting film, not the most realistic version of
a saxophonist though.

Thanks for the blurb Cathy. Hope you can catch them all and fill those of us
in who can't make it to the City. Actually, I'll be getting to Anaheim then,
maybe I can hitch up for the shows!

Alan Saul
saul@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Upcoming in San Francisco Bay Area
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:00:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

Hi

I'm in a hurry this week.  
Here are some interesting highlights, aside
from tonight's tough choice of Don Cherry (Kennel Klub) or
Splatter/Siamese Twins/Takashi Kasamaki+Kalle Laar (Heinz).

Music of China: Old and New
Zhang Yan, zheng virtuoso
with Anthony Brown and Jon Jiang (sic?) and
"multitalented Liu Qi-Chao".
Spet 12 Herbst Theater
Sept 26 Foothill College

Sept 17 (since Dan is too humble to post) Manufacturing of
Humidifiers with the Eulipians, Heinz Afterworld Lounge, Oakland

Sept 24 Rova and Fred Frith/Bob Ostertag, Great American Music Hall

There's other cool stuff at Heinz and elsewhere.  Find it.
=-s
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:08:50 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: doucet@ripolin.laas.fr's message of 14 Sep 92 09:21:18 GMT

In article <7818@laas.laas.fr> doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet) writes:
   Talking about CHAPPAQUA SUITE, does anyone know it it has been (or
   will soon be) reissued ? 

I gather that the original release was never authorized by Ornette
himself, so it's quite possible there will never be a reissue :( But
maybe he's mellowed since those days...

   My '67 vinyl records tend to become less and less audible...

Take better care of them! Records don't have to deteriorate (much),
and the music is too great to lose through carelessness.

   Although Sony/CBS do reissue most of this time records (all Monks,
   almost all Miles...) 

Maybe in France, and probably in Japan, but not in the US. Here we
don't have anything like almost all of Miles' CBS recordings available
on reissues. I haven't kept up as closely with Monk CBS/Sony reissues,
since I don't like this period all that much. But I don't think
they've all been reissued here either. Consider yourself lucky to be
living in a country that appreciates jazz...

rs
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From: singer@apple.com (Dave Singer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: need train song recommendations
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:35:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Fred Penner:

The Transcanadian supercontinental streamline special express.

(even the title sounds like a train). Great children's song. A must-hear
for any train-enthusiast.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Mingus Debut Box
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:45:45 GMT

In <4efC=DO00WBK44lF8d@andrew.cmu.edu> Everett Tademy <et19+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>just got the Mingus Debut Box and am having a wonderful time...i'm
>wondering if i can get an amen from the rec.music.bluenote
>corner...anybody out there as impressed with this box as me? et.

Including those tracks featuring The Gordons?

My only concern is that if this were your only contact with Mingus
you would be missing some of the best of his work which came after the
1957 last track in the box.  There is even some stuff that I like as
much from the early 50's that isn't in the Debut set.  

But I'm glad you like the 12 cds you have; I wouldn't be without them.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
K1S 5B6                                  \/
From: gwl%wave3_1@CONCERT.NET (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: esp
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:35:41 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@concert.net

>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:30 EDT, wave3_3!BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU!RARDIN said:

  Alan> From: saul+@pitt.edu (Alan B Saul)

  Alan> I've been wondering if anybody knows what happened to the later ESP project
  Alan> that started to release radio transcriptions of Bird, Bud, Lady, etc.
  Alan> The ones with the Dennis Pohl art and colored vinyl etc. An far as I know,
  Alan> only the first ones came out before ESP became universal.

The backcover of the CD booklet mentions that these are to be released soon in
2-3 CD sets.


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Wavetracer, Inc.
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From: bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer)
Subject: Re: Where is Jazz?
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:46:59 GMT

I'm interested in any European perspectives/responses to this
simple yet effective question.  I have been given the impression
that often our rooted artform is much more appreciated in
Europe.  I for one would take up residence in the Paris-
Amsterdam-Berlin-Geneva quadrangle during the summer for
a one day train ride to many decent festivals (no I'm
NOT thinking Montreaux) and venues! Although one would
be hard pressed to successfully pick any one place where
your (Sue) list might regularly encountered.  Sad, isn't it?

See you in Amsterdam next spring OK?!?

-Steve

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Comments on Pat Metheny
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:28:25 GMT

In article <malcolm.716271167@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>pvallado@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid ) writes:

>Wichita) (sp?) release. I'd appreciate some pointers to other Metheny
>that I might enjoy, especially dirty noisy dissonant stuff or things 
>leaning to McLaughlin's neighborhood. My impression is he doesn't
>do a lot of music like that on his recorded works. 

No, but usually does one or two darker, dirtier tunes live.  Check out
the cut "Offramp" from the album of the same name.  That album also
has what I consider his best tune ever, "James", which is of the
opposite flavor (light & beautiful).  "Offramp" was released a year
after "Wichita", in 1982.
-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: gwl%wave3_1@CONCERT.NET (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: M. Shipp, or how rumors start
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:54:50 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@concert.net

> glazer@spot.Colorado.EDU (James Barnett) writes:

James> I'm really enjoying Matthew Shipp's playing - I've heard his name
James> before but have not heard his playing.  Anybody have more info on
James> him?

For some reason, I have had "Matt Shipp" on my to-buy list for a
couple of months.  I have no idea when I wrote it down or on what
recommendation (though it was most likely a review).  I hate it when I
do that.  Obviously, I was happy to see him on the Ware CD, but I have
a feeling something must be due or I wouldn't have jotted down his
name.  

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Wavetracer, Inc.
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:29:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Ahmad Jamal (& the Crouch)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Buddy Guy
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:33:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

I'm a fairly new fan of the blues and was lucky enough to see 
Buddy Guy play at Wolf Trap on Tuesday night.  I really enjoy
his style of blues and would like some recomendations of which
of his albums to buy and also other blues musicians that play
the same style (I guess that might be defined as Chicago Blues).
Please reply to me via email and I'll post a summary if there
is interest.

Thanks!
Brad

-- 
   Brad Speierman (410)684-3569 Internet Email - bsspeie@sed.csc.com
                                Alternate Email - bsspeie@analytics.com

             "If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind"
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