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From: kevink@cs.ubc.ca (Kevin Kennedy)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Flying in Dream (power lines)...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:56:15 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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>katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:

> >I too have had difficulty with power lines in flying dreams.  I remember
> >having a particularly difficult time rising up past the powerlines.  I
> >couldn't get the clearance, it was like they were stopping me.  In the
> >only dreams I remember, I have always made it past them, but it is always
> >close.
> >
> >It is quite interesting that I am not the only one who has experienced
> >this.  If there is anyone else, please speak up.

I too had some lucid flying dreams where I had trouble getting past power
lines on the way up.  I thought nothing of it until a friend of mine 
mentioned the same problem in her first lucid dream.  Now to see it 
again mentioned here stretches the bounds of coincidence.

Do any of the weekend psychiatrists out there have a plausible theory as
to why some of us appear to have a deep seated fear of hitting power
lines while flying?  Maybe it has to do with all those warnings we're
given as children on the way out to fly our kites.

kevin kennedy, weekend oneironaut.
kevink@ee.ubc.ca
From: 002369c@axe.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: VIRTUAL DREAMZ
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:46:39 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

A couple of nights ago I was running a tempereture that resulted in a fever.
Low and behold to the wonderment of my dreams what should occur...
I was downstairs in the "T.V." room ,watching Lawnmowerman, when all of a 
sudden I noticed that I was about 1 foot off of the LazyBoy recliner. Well, 
this immediately gave the dream away and I became Lucid. To remain Lucid, I 
tried to repeat over and over the sentence..."I WILL REMAIN LUCID...I WILL 
REMAIN LUCID" I continued this while manuvering about the room when all of a 
sudden, I looked up the stairs and saw a wolf or dog. This stopped the 
repitition and I began to lose the dream, unaware that I was doing so(losing 
it). The dog came down and I made friends with it and I looked up the stairs 
again and there was the owner of the dog and a friend. He came down and 
said, "Just looking out for you." 

And then the dream ended. BUT, I continued to dream...

I was watching the movie again and I found myself going into the screen. 
The surondings were exactly the same as the VR devices in the movie. I 
could move hoever I wanted, even in acrobat-style-slow-mo-super-spinning 
jumps-and-such. It was quite an experience. Better than the scary fever 
dreams that I used to have.
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Climbing staircases and finding bathrooms
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:35:33 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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gj student 156879 (gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
: Now I want to get into a pattern I've noticed in my dreams, and it
: seems kind of odd.
:  
: I often have dreams where I have to get to a class, or to some room,
: there isn't always a rush, so I don't think it's JUST an anxiety
: dream.  In this dream I have to get there, but the straight line route
: isn't available, so I have to go around in a strange way.  

	I, too have such dreams, but about getting to work (see my posting
about going to New York).  I know I have to get to work on time, but my
dream landscape becomes more and more distorted as the dream progresses.
Also time becomes non-linear in that two glances at a clock will show several
hours difference in only a few 'seconds'.

		Andy Wing
--
v2002a@vm.temple.edu     (preferred)
v2002a%templevm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu
agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu    (last resort)

Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: mcp@canctr.mc.duke.edu (Laura J. Weislo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Climbing staircases and finding bathrooms
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:02:56 GMT
Reply-To: mcp@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <gj156879.726420691@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:







> 
>Now I want to get into a pattern I've noticed in my dreams, and it
>seems kind of odd.
> 
>I often have dreams where I have to get to a class, or to some room,
>there isn't always a rush, so I don't think it's JUST an anxiety
>dream.  In this dream I have to get there, but the straight line route
>isn't available, so I have to go around in a strange way.  
> 
>The usual example of this is having to get to a certain room on the
>2nd floor of a building, but where the room is located in such a way
>that you have to go to the third floor, and take a different staircase
>down from there.
> 
>It's not that often, actually, it's just that I had one recently, and
>I suddenly went "Hey, this happens a lot."
> 
>Last night's dream consisted of trying to get to a room, but having to
>find an alternate route because someone was having a party in a huge
>salon, and I didn't want to disturb them.
> 
>          Any ideas? 
>                                        Nik
	I usually try to interpret these kinds of dreams in a general
manner - like it's trying to tell you how to cope with life...
I would say that you find school unusually difficult, more difficult
than you expected, or that you are trying to establish a way of
going about your higher education that isn't conventional.. 
The fact that you aren't particularly anxious is good, and may
indicate that you know how you are going to proceed with your
unconventional curriculum, and that this is the proper method
for you.  Maybe partying isn't in "the plan" and that is why
you avoided the party instead of joining it.  
	Can you reach the room?  Destinations usually represent
goals in my dreams, and not being able to reach the destination
usually means I am going about things wrong, or that fear or some
other emotion is getting in the way.
	Hope this helps!

	Happy dreaming...

************************************************************
	!!!!			Laura J. Weislo
	 ^^			Duke University
	 @@			Dept. of Chemistry
	  )			Weisl001@dukemc.bitnet
	 0			Weisl001@mc.duke.edu
	"YOU'RE MY FORTUNE COOKIE PRIZE" - BEAT HAPPENING
************************************************************
From: brazier@ph.und.ac.za
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Flying in Dream...
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:21:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan3.042218.1@climat.geology.yale.edu> zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
>	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>will be appreciated.

Occasionally I have experienced this, however I don't think I've ever gone 
to any great hight, never occured to me to do so I think.  It does however 
feel very like swimming.

Tom Brazier
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: "Eddie Kovelan" <wk00191@worldlink.com>
Subject: Interpreting dreams
Organization: Tex-Tronics
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:26:28 GMT
X-Mailer: WORLDLink (3.11)

I had a dream not long ago that to this day is still baffling, 
maybe some of you can help interpret this dream.  I'm just curious to 
get other points of view...

The dream started with me looking at myself sleeping in the bed.  I then 
looked beside me and saw the grim reaper (the typical g.r. most people 
envision).  I then turned and began flying straight up into the dark, starless 
night.  Suddenly, I heard a voice say "This is your purpose and mission 
in life, you must take this and go back to earth," and I was handed a 
bright neon blue stone that was heavy enough to pull me down to earth 
and into my body.  In my dream, I woke up to see the grim reaper 
nodding his head then disappearing.

I know it's not much of a dream, but strange to me nonetheless.  

Bundy
From: Celanal@f729.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Celanal)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: OOBEs & dreams about dead people
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:06:28 -0800

Have you thought that maybe there is a reason you are having these
experiences? The mind and body are mysterious things and are connected
so closely . If you are seeing ghosts it may even be ghosts of your
future sending a message to you . And to truly control astral travel
it is best to try to understand your inner being first before you
let it travel off.
From: melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Melissa Ingells)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:07:55 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: prentice.wkar.msu.edu

In article <Jan.5.23.20.12.1993.9676@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
>From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
>Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
>Date: 6 Jan 93 04:20:12 GMT
>In article <melissa.4.726186706@radio.wkar.msu.edu>, melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Melissa Ingells) writes:
>WELL, I TEND ALSO TO 
>:DREAM MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE ....

Just a little quibble 
on this. Dream research indicates that everybody>dreams about the same 
amount. It would be more correct to say that you>remember more of your 
dreams than most people.>-- >Happiness is just 
a                     ******************************>remembrance 
away.                       *  Lorenzo 
Farris            *>                                        *  farris@ruhets.
rutgers.edu *>                                        ******************************

HI THIS IS MELISSA AGAIN...YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.  I DO 
TEND TO REMEMBER MANY OF THEM, IN FACT I SOMETIMES HAVE DREAM HANGOVERS AS 
IT WERE, WHEN I KNOW THE SORT OF EMOTIONAL CONTENT OF SOMETHING I'VE 
DREAMED, JUST NOT THE ACTUAL PLOT.  WHICH IS KIND OF A BUMMER WHEN I THINK 
IT'S BEEN AN ESPECIALLY SIGNIFICANT DREAM...the unusual thing, though, is 
that statistically most people report their dreams to be unpleasant, and of 
the ones I can remember, that is rarely the case...then again, I 
enjoy  "darker" ideas than many folks...then again, bill clinton was 
floating through one of my dreams looking for antihistimines (spelling?) a 
few days ago, which was pretty funny when i woke up.

na zdarovia.

msi
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Climbing staircases and finding bathrooms
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:31:31 GMT

I've also had dreams where I physically have to go to the bathroom,
and spend the entire dream looking for the loo.  I'm sure it's a
pretty common experience, your dream mind reacting to body sensations.
The weirdest version of this that I've had is when I reached the
bathroom, and there was a man with his wife in there, and he was
telling her that everything was ok.  She looked mentally handicapped,
and was sitting on the john looking completely phased out.
 
Now I want to get into a pattern I've noticed in my dreams, and it
seems kind of odd.
 
I often have dreams where I have to get to a class, or to some room,
there isn't always a rush, so I don't think it's JUST an anxiety
dream.  In this dream I have to get there, but the straight line route
isn't available, so I have to go around in a strange way.  
 
The usual example of this is having to get to a certain room on the
2nd floor of a building, but where the room is located in such a way
that you have to go to the third floor, and take a different staircase
down from there.
 
It's not that often, actually, it's just that I had one recently, and
I suddenly went "Hey, this happens a lot."
 
Last night's dream consisted of trying to get to a room, but having to
find an alternate route because someone was having a party in a huge
salon, and I didn't want to disturb them.
 
          Any ideas? 
                                        Nik
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Conscious decision in a dream ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:30:52 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <C0Ho69.M2q@dscomsa.desy.de>, sprute@dsf58a.desy.de (Lars Sprute) 
writes:

> I wonder if I could make a somewhat 'conscious' decision in a dream.
> I'm going to change my life in various ways right now, so there were some
> of this 'jumping of the edge and hit the ground' like dreams, but I
> only reach the edge asking me if I should jump or not. This was the time
> when I awoke. 
> 
> I was thinking a lot about this dreams connecting it to my 'real' life,
> where I have to make some severe decisions and I talked to myself like:
> " Come on, if you are not brave enough to jump out of your secure life,
> why don't you just try it first in your dreams and see what happens."
> 
> Few days later I had another dream of this kind and I was standing at the 
> edge, ready to jump. But I didn't awoke and I was thinking (in my dream):
> "Okay, you're dreaming, just try it, it's harmless and might be interesting."
> And I jumped....  The feeling wasn't uncomfortable but it wasn't quit neat
> like flying or gliding, more somewhere in between. A few moments later I 
> awoke, very happy to did it and since then I've started to make a few
> of that frightening decisions in my 'real' life not so worried about
> of what might get wrong and all that stuff, also looking forward for more
> dreams of that kind, and I'm sure they show me a way to get rid of the
> concepts of safety in my life, which I think is a illusion.
> 
> Lars

That is a beautiful and valuable dream.

I have had a number of dreams where I was able to come 
to terms with a decision, or confront possibilities in 
a way I was unable to in waking life. In some ways I 
find my dream self a wiser and more integrated person 
than my waking self.

One dream I value greatly occured some months after I
separated from my SO (after 18 years). We separated in
a mutually supportive and civilised fashion, and I
hadn't gone through all the emotional working out of
the situation. In the dream narrative the separation
was told as though it happened to someone else, and I
"gave myself permission" to weep. In the last half of
the dream I just stood there and cried and cried. 

Take care
Ronno
For dreams, reason, freedom and self awareness.
From: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: alt.out-of-body
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:56:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu

I'm sorry to have to post this here, but it seems many people in this sub are
also in alt.out-of-body.

I do not have access to the OOBE group.  Does anyone know why this might be?
-- 
Jeremy Borger - AKA: DeF
InterNet: ak044@cleveland.freenet.edu - Voice: 216/331-2283
Ever wonder if dreams are real life and real life is just a dream?
                                        .......Me neither
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: flying in dreams
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:03:51 GMT

>In article <1993Jan3.042218.1@climat.geology.yale.edu>, zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>> of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>> will be appreciated.
>> 
>> 					Taiping Zhang
>>

I often dream of flying.  In my flying dreams I have to dog paddle.  It
is hard to get of the ground but once I'm up it's clear sailing.  Often
in these dreams, however, I'm flying to get away from someone.  Someone
is chasing me and I have to get high quickly, which is difficult.  I
don't usually get away.  They will grab my leg before I an get up, or even
worse, I will be inside and I won't be able to get any higher than
the roof.  Then, again, the person who is chasing me will often grab
me by the leg.  

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Dreams, Stories, and Learning
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: sci.psychology,misc.education,sci.lang.japan
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:59:12 GMT

I'm beginning to wonder about the connection between dreams, stories,
and learning.

------- STORIES AND LEARNING

I just read an article in Whole Earth Review that I thought was very
interesting.  It's about a teaching technique that seems to be getting 
miraculous results -- things like 4-year-old retarded kids with IQs as
low as 20 learning how to read.

The gist of the technique is to build a little story around each new
small cluster of material.  Letters of the alphabet are learned by
building the letters out of some basic shapes, making up a strange
and funny story that provides clues to pronunciation.  Before learning
anything like the whole alphabet, words are built out of the letters
learned, again with each couched in the context of some story.  Very
little is done by rote.

The results teachers are getting with this are so profound as to scare
them -- some teachers are backing off from it, because the kids are
"getting too smart."

Oddly, the technique corresponds to one I learned from a course in 
Chinese characters: to build each character out of pieces, into a
story, where each piece might have its own story (or be a primitive
element.  The important thing was: the story had to be STRANGE.
In some ways, the less logical, the better.  In fact, it's exactly
the same technique.

In some ways, this is not surprising.  Spoken stories had huge
survival value in prehistoric times.  The Songlines in Australia
served as a map and navigation system for the aborigines for
thousands of years.  American Indian tribes had memorizers for
their huge geneologies.  The ability of humans to remember vast
quantities of narrative material goes relatively untapped in
modern times.

------- STORIES AND DREAMS

Both American Indians and Australian Aborigines (and countless
stone-age cultures elsewhere, I'm sure) are known to revere dreams.

------- DREAMS AND LEARNING

I also read recently that REM sleep is very important to retention
of learned material.  There is something in dreams that helps us
learn.

------- STORIES, DREAMS, AND LEARNING: A PARADOX.

Strange stories help us learn.

Dreams are nothing if not strange stories.

Dreams (in some way not yet understood) also help us learn.

And yet, DREAMS THEMSELVES ARE HARD TO REMEMBER!


------- AFTERTHOUGHT

The purported inventor of the Chinese character (kanji) learning
technique I mentioned above said that after a while, it didn't matter
if you couldn't remember the stories after a while, as long as you
used the stories to finally memorize the characters permanently.

I wonder how much of what we "know" is imprinted on us through
unremembered stories?  And how many of these unremembered stories
are our own almost-immediately-forgotten dreams?

Followups to alt.dreams, only please.  (Heisig's kanji-learning
technique is a recurrent flame topic in sci.lang.japan.)
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jvarley@crash.cts.com (J.J. Varley)
Subject: REM Sleep, Dreaming...
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 04 Jan 93 23:32:40 PST

	Perhaps someone can answer this for me.  Although I know that everyone
dreams, is it true that we dream every single night, even though we might
forget our dreams? Or do we dream only sometimes? Thanks.
From: mshute@cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm Shute)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Author of Dreams, etc (was Re: Lucid Dreaming FAQ)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:47:29 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

>In article <1irkslINN72s@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> malcolm@geog.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>>I've had a few lucid dreaming experiences, unsought. The thing that
>>bothers me about them is [...]
I'm not sure I follow your objection precisely... BUT I whole hearted concur
with you that there is something worrying about the original posting.

It was a list of Frequently Asked Questions, with some answers... but the
two which immediately occurred to me, were not on it.  Namely, the original
poster said nothing about whether purposely engineering lucid dreaming:
(a) is a safe thing to do; and (b) whether it has any undesirable side effects.

I would not be surprised if the answer to (a) was "yes"... but it is strange
that the question was not addressed, nonetheless.  However, I would need
substantial convincing that the answer to (b) is "no".

How do I know that if I took up the original author's advice to take control
of my dreams, I'm not going to deprive myself of the relaxation which I
need from my sleep.  (Taking control of something, surely, at the very least
involves the expenditure of much mental effort?)

If lucid dreaming is such a good thing as the original poster suggests,
why hasn't my brain learned to do it already (the rewards gained by doing
it 'training' me to do it, like a dog being taught a new trick).

In article <1isbmdINN9s3@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>You, subconsciously, worry about lucid dreaming perhaps
>being 'wrong' in one way or another, and this prevents you from going
>further into it. Your mind is tricky, beware.

I see you last sentence as a warning, not an encouragement!!
--

Malcolm SHUTE.         (The AM Mollusc:   v_@_ )        Disclaimer: all
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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.hypnosis,alt.magick,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology,talk.religion.newage,alt.self-improve,misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Requesting relaxation and brain exercises and sources.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:48:39 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau31.ira.uka.de
Keywords: relaxation, visualization, autogenics

In article <1993Jan11.142859.659@seas.smu.edu> mitchell@seas.smu.edu (Utopium Enterprizes) writes:

>1) There's a lot of culturally biased questions here... and what I guess I
>   would call "educationally biased" questions. Some of the questions it asked
>   would be very tricky if you weren't a well-educated American... and neither
>   culture nor education should, in theory, have anything to do with IQ scores.

This is one of my concerns about the whole IQ measuring thing.
Personally, I think these tests have no value at all, given the fact
for which purposes they are used.

>I think I will try it a few more times, and see if my score is consistent,
>taking into account my moods and my energy level... and if it continues to 
>report scores around the figure it gave, I will be satisfied.

Perhaps rather you should try different tests and compare your score
on these? 

Olaf
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