HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: GROOVIN ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:14:15 GMT


                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


SEPTEMBER 29, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:05:50 GMT


In article <ldrbusINNi92@spim.mti.sgi.com>
dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>I am as guilty of it as you are.  Change insult to ad hominem attack.
>Better?

I confess to being almost completely disarmed.  Better for
me, of course, but I guess I hadn't expected you to be so
generous.
:-)

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:32:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct9.214224.9325@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.190537.3069@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) considers the following to be
>"*exact rhymes":
>> 
>> loan
>> Joan
>> shone
>> tone
>> roan (a reddish horse)
>> sewn
>> 
>> and, not quite so exact a rhyme:
>> 
>> blown
>
>Now it's *my* turn to be surprised. What's different about this one
>(soundwise, I mean)?

It's slightly more rounded.  The difference is not big enough to
distinguish between words in English, but it's there. 

>--Robert (who suspects that Jess, given his Midwestern origins, can't
>          distinguish among "merry", "marry", and "Mary")

I don't know about Jess, but I can't, and typically don't see a need to.
"Pin" vs. "pen" is more problematic. 


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:40:35 GMT

In emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes a small program:

  Do you suppose that you can render your program in Helvetica?
Times Roman makes it much more difficult to read in this case. 
  Thanks so much.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Darrell Yates Rist
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:04:00 GMT

Did anybody see the article in the Nation (Octobe 19) by Darrell
Yates Rist?  "Born Gay?"  He criticizes the people who believe in
biological theories about sexual orientation.

If you read the article, what did you think?

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Xref: sparky soc.motss:43275 talk.politics.misc:51870 ca.politics:8684
From: walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:39:16 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

> In article <1992Oct13.010428.11500@u.washington.edu>, bbeer@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer) writes:

> Many folks also have gotten the idea that it is now okay to be openly anti-
> gay (maybe a blessing since they can at least be called on it that way) in
> Oregon, encouraged by the OCA.  A friend of my housemate was buying a ticket
> to a movie in a smaller town in Oregon, and he was wearing a "No on 9" 
> button.  The guy behind the window gave him his tickets and said "Here's your
> tickets, faggot."  Our friend picked up a bench and threw it through the 
> window at him.  The police were there and there was quite a scene.  While it
> isn't the way I might choose, the message was clear, that he was not going to
> stand there and take such crap.

Interesting message.  I guess that freedom of speech is protected
only if it is on a lapel button.  If the guy selling the tickets
had been smart, he would have kept his mouth shut, and placed on
his shirt a button with the message stated above.  Congratulations
to your friend for his efforts in dispelling the myth that gays
are peaceful, rational, non-violent people.  His destruction of
an innocent person's property certainly can only bring credence
to his cause as we have seen in L.A. and San Francisco.
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KC6RKZ@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Inter-Racial Homosexual Relationships on DONAHUE [Tuesday?]
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:36:05 GMT

[]
We surely are attracting a lot of talkshow attention these
days.  Last week the execrable Jenny Jones did a show on
good-looking homos (I kid you not).  I was going to stay
home and look for each and every one of you on the panel,
but I have this job ...

Did anyone see it?
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Not So Secret Secret (was Re: Culture)
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:14:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bvx9JI.AwI
Organization: Open Communications Forum

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes of Matthew:
>I think Jack is doing you a favor, though I don't agree with
>him on all points.  For instance, I don't think you're
>especially nasty.  On the scale of nastiness, you're toward
>the mild end, and getting milder almost by the day.  It
>doesn't seem to me you could be charged with anything more
>serious than a mostly brittle stridency and a sometimes
>breathtaking lack of awareness.  

>On the other hand, and I personally see this as a mitigating
>factor, you clearly do have a sense of humor about life and
>about yourself [...]

>That said, you really *are* way too old to be saying many of
>the things you say [...]

I have also noticed a change in Matthew's tone during his most recent
postings.  The wit is still there, but it's a little less venomous.
One could wish for more substance sometimes, but still it's a welcome
first step.

Then,
>[a beautiful, gracious article about reconciliation with a friend]

Jess,
   Thank you for this post.

-- 
Brent Capps                          | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | I can't view my employer from here
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:33:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bw4Jv3.296@scd.hp.com> <1992Oct15.150020.10954@infonode.ingr.com>
  <1992Oct15.183551.19394@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson shows his gallantry:

>That said, I don't agree that Marilyn Qualye is "ugly."

>Jess Anderson

Maybe not, but Marilyn *Quayle* could bunk in with Melinda's
horse and no one would be the wiser.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: sej5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Susie Juroff)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in the Classroom (HELP!)
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:27:50 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


     I just wanted to clarify my topic by mentioning that my
focus is on elementary and middle school levels.  Should you
have any info on the high school level, please post, because
anything I might be able to use would be helpful...

Again, thanks...

Susie
--
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first no on 9 tv ad i
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:11:05 GMT
Reply-To: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Reston, VA

In article <1992Oct7.4342.59140@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:

>Phone the Governor of Oregon at (503) 378-3111 and urge him to vote No on 9.  
                                                         ^^^
Just a minor correction.  The Governor of Oregon is the Honorable
Barbara Roberts.  She's indicated that she is opposed to the measure.
DO CALL.  Every call helps.  

Or, you can write (but write soon!) to:

     The Honorable Barbara Roberts
     Governor of Oregon
     254 State Capital
     Salem, OR 97310
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:17:32 GMT

In article <ldoui0INNqp9@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>
>Having been watching the insult war with Matt, I have noticed a number of
>things.  First, Matt blew it by starting the name calling, taunting Jess
>and Arne. 

Actually, the way I saw it was that he blew it by being stupid, and earned
a place in my kill file because I've got better things to do than read
what stupid people write.  It isn't my job to be person email couch to
stupid (or to be generous, just really clueless) newbies.  

If you're looking for the position of soc.motss saint, I doubt you'll
have much competition for the role.

Ry 
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:21:36 GMT

In article <h4mpxja@lynx.unm.edu> anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)  
writes:
}  What is considered non-white?  That's my question.

For the most part, White = Euro-American.  But, you can also add anyone who can  
even pass for White, such as even some Blacks can do.

} Let's get a grip here and look at what soc.motss is, not what it isn't.  Then
} we can see how to make it more of what it is, a safe, protective playground.
} And like any playground, the kids taunt and tease, and then when someone
} falls down, they help pick them up.  SO, my lastpoint is tag, you're it!

That sounds so good in theory.  It almost makes me forget that the reason I'm  
light-skinned is because some fucking White bastard was fucking one of my  
ancestors.  Oh well, I guess because she was his property and he paid taxes on  
her, that was Okay ... Wake up!  This is no fucking Fantasy Island I'm talking  
about!

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Keywords: expensive jewelry
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:27:55 GMT

In article <1avtt2INNprf@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) 
writes:
>
>> Today we learned that Greg Parkinson and Arne Adolphson
>> graduated high school the same year that I did. I believe Melinda
>> did, too, and Mr. Cr*mer as well.  
>
>Yes, I knew about ******.  I think Jack Hamilton graduated 
>the year before us.  

Older but wiser?  Age before beauty? 

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:18:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct16.061858.14825
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <mattm-151092165348@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Hah!  You're from MIT.  By *definition* you are an intellectual.

This is evidence that Matthew has never set foot on the MIT campus.
By *definition* anyone associated with MIT is assumed to be an engineer
(and behave like one) until proven innocent.  Smart?  Usually.
Intellectuals?  Well, I'm sure they exist somewhere there, but
it must be a secret society.  (Charlie might be able to tell you
where he meets with the others of his kind.)

Matthew, I think this anti-intellectualism is evidence of a poor
self-image on your part.  Not all high-priced schools turn out
"intellectuals."

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA (Daniel  Cunningham)
Subject: de-muffining
Reply-To: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:10:59 GMT

After reading several hundred articles from soc.mots I have decided, against my better judgement, to de-muffin. 

A few facts about myself :
- I'm 18 years old, still a virgin and not terribly sure about myself.
- I've known for most of my life that I'm gay.
- I've hidden the fact that I'm gay from almost everyone, except for a couple of very understanding friends, for most of my life.
- I've have been "out" at my university for about five weeks, with the help of a very supporting group.
- I'm going to my first gay dance tomorrow night.

I'm still not sure why I'm saying all of this, but if anyone has had a similar experience, or just wants to talk, please e-mail me.

Flamers need not respond to this article.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Keywords: does anyone read the organization line?
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:04:44 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct17.032905.26868@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>the idea of MIT as a hotbed of intellectuals - the sorbonne of an
>america approaching a new century - is still absurd.  i wonder where
>people who think it is get their ideas, about universities, about
>the life of the mind, about anything.

My guess would be People Magazine and reruns of Mary Tyler
Moore.  That and fellow Republicans.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:23:49 GMT


In article <BvvA2s.MG5@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
Drayton) writes:

>I don't know about that, but won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?

Your friends *do* have Porsches, why make amends?

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.164745.18472@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>(OK, I still think the Max Montoya shaving scene in "Max Makes it Big"
>is the dasysophile's equivalent of a snuff film, but that's MY problem.)

Right sentiment, wrong movie...

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

The evening was a huge success, in spite of someone fainting from
time to time.
From: akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Flu season is coming
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:42:41 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Oct8.050246.25269@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>(alain: colds are 2-3 days, floosies hang around for 1-2 weeks, no?)
>

As soon as I get my hand on an English-French dictionnary, I'll agree.

What is a floosie... If it's something like a trick, 1-2 week is above
average, no?

Alain
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:18:27 GMT

> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:

>>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will) but I had understood
>>that the rainbow flag represented the rainbow coalition which includes
>>persons of all races, and that the lavender strip on the flag was for
>>gays/lesbians. When did it become for queers only?
>
>We've had this discussion before.  The historical record is not clear.
>There was probably a rainbow coalition before the use of the "gay flag",
>but we're not sure that the coalition used the flag before the gay movement
>did. 

This does seem like de'ja vu all over again.  If memory serves,
the Rainbow Coalition came into being around the time of Jesse
Jackson's presidential campaign in 1984.  The rainbow flag was
first flown (with different colors than those used today) at
the San Francisco Pride Parade in 1978.  So the gay use of the
flag came first.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: "I Hate Gay Men" text
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:55:18 GMT

In article <ca1zd-=@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>Yawn.  Didn't we flog this dead horse about a year ago?
>I doubt it, since the piece was distributed at the 1992 New York City Pride
>Parade.

Oh, so it must be original. :-)  Ron, this reads verbatim like a posting
in the last year here on motss.  Am I suffering from advanced deja-vu?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:56:33 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>I'll bet about five times as many (that is, not many) people
>here will know who Marlene was as will know who E.
>Schwarzkopf is. 

Frau Lizzy gained some notoriety over here with her TV appearances for
a show called 'Masterclass.' The basic format was that these 4 or so
talented beginning musicians would get together in an auditorium or
whatever, with an audience, a television-crew, and an eminence-grise
from their field. The talented beginning musicians would have studied
some piece, and be guided the master.

No 'Masterclass' would be complete without one of the nervous
debutantes bursting into tears as she/he was stopped every two seconds
for advice, guidance, and some imploring to start again. E was very
good at that, as she mixed it all with some comments about the world of
singing - "You must learn Italian and German! How can you aspire to be
a singer without it!" - and an occasional two or three notes, just to
keep her fans on the edge of their seats.

It made for very good SM viewing.
							FJ!!
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NYTN: 10 000 Protest Oregon anti-gay measure
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43937
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

Once again, the alt.* groups stripped since we don't do them here.  Sigh.

In article <9210102133.AA20323@client.its.rpi.edu> buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
> 10,000 protest Oregon anti-gay measure
> By Brenda Sandburg Portland, Ore.
> 
>Over 10,000 people--lesbian, gay and straight--filled Pioneer
>Courthouse Square here Oct. 4 to demonstrate against Measure 9,
>which will appear on Oregon's ballot in November. 

As wonderful as it was, and as wonderful as it sounds, remember that
the OCA already held their rally for Measure 9 and 139,000 people
attended on 11" X 14" pieces of paper.  That is how it got on the
ballot.  Only 10,000 people, in Portland - pride of liberal Oregon,
at a very well publicized rally.

It ain't over 'til its over.

Fight like hell, look for the bodies when the battle is won.

I think it was General George Smith Patton, Jr. who said (and I
paraphrase liberally):

	Hell yes, I mind losing battles.  Wars are made up of
	battles.  I do trust that you see the connection.

Patton believed that you did not leave your enemy in a position to
resume hostilities against you at a later date.  You did more that
defeat the enemy, you crushed their will to fight, to wage war
against you.

As in war, winners in the political process win through sheer force
of numbers, or votes.  We may lose here, and elsewhere later, not
because public opinion was against us, but because we could not
field a sufficiently strong army of voters.

The Battle of Voter Apathy, how will it turn out.

Register your friends and acquaintences to vote.  Your life may
depend on it.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.