From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: The hours, the minutes... (Was: Abortion on a non-preggy woman)
Summary: One begins to wonder just how much Peter knows about abortion... 
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 15:48:35 GMT

In article <nyikos.715730782@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <1992Sep3.213213.27379@tc.fluke.COM> eris@tc.fluke.COM (Chris Beckmeyer) writes:
>
>>In article <nyikos.715384664@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>
>[Of abortion clinics in general]
>
>>> very few people are allowed to see
>>>what goes on.
>
>> NO, any old body can't go waltzing in to
>>any hospital or clinic and observe ANYTHING other than the lobby, business
>>office or hallways.
>
>But SO's are now encouraged to observe and even take part in births; why
>are they hardly ever allowed to observe the other ways of terminating
>pregnancy?

This is too precious.  Maybe the doctors should have encouraged my Mother to
"observe and even take part in" my Dad's bypass surgury?

Free clue time, Peter:  If the woman starts having complications during the
birth, and surgury (of any type) is needed, theSpousal Equivelant is gone,
gone, gone.

>
>>>if any pro-lifer had cared enough about her to talk to her outside
>>>the clinic before she went in, she would not have had any of her three
>>>abortions.  She was that starved for meaningful human contact, and the
>>			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>this is why she got pregnant three times.  she needed some kind of
>>professional help, NOT the hearts-and-flowers crap from a pro-lifer and
>>god forbid someone this messed up become a mother!
>
>She did after another rape.  And gave the child up for adoption, and
>probably has it all together better than most people I know. 

Right.  Somehow I doubt this one...

>
>>>
>>>The other is the woman who had the abortion forced on her while 
>>>screaming "Let me go!" and "Don't kill my baby!" as described in
>>>more detail on my COERCED ABORTION post of July.
>>>
>>the GLOBE? STAR? NATIONAL ENQUIRER?  maybe PEOPLE? some such legitimate
>>journal, no doubt.
>
>Guess again. Testimony before a subcommittee of the South Carolina
>Senate Judiciary Committee, which I attended from beginning to end, 
>and only included things in the post which I heard during her testimony.
>

The same subcommittee which didn't require any evidence, or proof that anything
that was said in the room actually occured, right?

>>>
>>>>I wonder: does a non-lethal dose of xtianity induce permannent stupidity?
>>>>Actually, I don't wonder.
>>>
>>neither do i.

I haven't had any doubts in a long time.  It seems that religion for some
people is like booze for other people.  The majority of it are just fine, and
can balance the religion with other parts of their lives.  A few, however,
seem to act like alcoholics, and allow the religion to run their lives.
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