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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #243
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:44:10 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Thu,  8 Oct 92       Volume 10 : Issue 243

Today's Topics:

      [!] Gigabyte drive status
      [*] Introducing PianoSim 1.0
      [*] MathPad 1.5.6
      [*] Mine v1.0
      [*] Planetmaker
      [*] space-invader-10.hqx
      32-bit addressing and memory constraints.
      Am I really losing it?
      Apple ISDN being dumped?
      Appleshare 3.0 and RAMdisk+ [A]
      Argosy Software
      BinHex 4.0 - How to use? [q]
      Census Dept. CD-ROM data analysis
      Color monitor recommendations (Q)
      Compatability of Remote Access and Prometheus Home Office.
      Conflict- Speedy Finder 7 a
      DOS-INIT 1.2
      DOS Init conflict... (C)
      Drag & Drop Utility
      Eudora 1.3b92--oops 1.3b93--Now Available
      Fat Files (C)
      File: "INFO-MAC MAIL" being sent to you
      FileMaker Import (A)
      Grayscale printing
      HPLJ IIIP-Quadra/Word Processing/AT Remote (Q's)
      IIci LocalTalk/Keyboard Failure
      I need a CTB vt100 terminal tool
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #242 (2 msgs)
      INIT Loading Program
      INIT Loading Program (A)
      INIT Loading Program [A]
      Internet Tour hypercard stack (R)
      LaserWriter page length
      macii-fan-replacement.hqx
      Mac LC Problems
      MacLogimo
      Macs and PC's
      MacScheme Support? [A]
      MacWord -> WinWord ?
      Modems that connect with adb or card
      Monitoring activities on Mac (A)
      MPW Shell distribution ?
      MSoft 5.0  what do you think?
      newscrud
      no subject (file transmission)
      NTR randomly produces empty pages before print jobs (Q)
      PB100 battery questions
      Piracy
      PLW LS 7.2 (C)
      PowerBook Solutions Guide
      Printers with s/w selectable paper trays
      PrintMonitor enhancers?
      QuickTime doesn't like virtual memory
      RAM prices
      Resetting the (print) Chooser options.
      snap to grid in finder changes
      Sorting in HyperCard (C/Q)
      Source Code Printer/Lister
      Sport Scheduling program
      Stacks on Tarot Cards?
      Supra Fax Modem prices?
      System 7.1 Features
      TrueType versin of Calligraphy?
      Turning on AppleTalk without rebooting
      Upgrade to Microsoft Word 5 imminent?
      Wanted: 80xx51 C-cross-compiler
      Water proof StyleWriter cartridge refills?
      win 3.1 v. System 7
      Windows 3.1 versus Mac OS 7.1
      Word 5.1/Word 6.0

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:58:52 PDT
From: The Moderators <info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: [!] Gigabyte drive status

As of today, I have received around $3800 or so in contributions to the new
hard drive. This is really much more than I ever expected to raise, after all
the gloom that I've heard shareware authors express. Thanks so much to the
many contributors. It really means a great deal to me that people have been
willing to put their money into something like this.

This should be enough money for at least a 2.4Gb disk, or an order of
magnitude more space than the archive holds now. I have started contacting
various places to find a good price. I especially need a lot of hand-holding,
as I know next to nothing about Unix hardware.

If there is any money left over, I will keep it in a separate account to be
used for future sumex needs, for example when 2.4Gb is not enough (hard to
imagine, but that day will be here sooner than you think!)

If you'd like to see whether we've processed your credit card or deposited
your check, look in the file help/sponsors.txt. I've sent mail back to
everyone who mailed me a check, and Jeff should have responded to the credit
card people.

Thanks again,

Bill

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:23:49 CDT
From: "hui dong" <hd12@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: [*] Introducing PianoSim 1.0

PianoSim 1.0, compressed and binhexed with Compact Pro 1.33, 420K

							  Oct. 6 1992

PianoSim 1.0 introduction:

Here is a new software called PianoSim 1.0 I created for the Macintosh. It's
a music instrument simulation with full music input and edit ability. You
can use mouse click (sweep) or keystroke to play music real time. You can
choose your favorite instrument from a panel of choices, including piano,
bell, flute, guitar, sax... You can record your performance in real time
and save it as a file for future playback. The software has a full featured
editor, so you can edit and modify your performance. You can also just input
your favorite music and save it as a record, for future playback and
entertainment. The time duration of each note is accurate up to one tick
(1/60 sec), the music symbol shown doesn't change the exact time duration
embedded. You can control sound volume, play back speed (tempo), and pitch
of all the piano keys within two octave. You can personalize your
computerkey-pianokey correspondence and save your setting.
Several of my favorite music is provided, including Fur Elise, love story,
and a few Christmas carols. If you enter your favorite records, I'd love
to have a copy if you are willing to offer (if you don't like the record
to be included in future updates, please say so, I will honor your request).
The software can be fun for adult as well as for child. I'd be very happy
to know if you like it and have a good time with it.
PianoSim 1.0 is distributed as shareware, and ask for $25 shareware fee. But
if you REALLY couldn't afford it, send me any amount you prefer. I could have
asked for less, but as a poor grad student and currently looking for job, I
need
all the help I can get now to get over this difficult time. Registered
user will receive a Thank You letter together with registration code to
personalize your copy, and receive any future updates free. The software is
not protected, please only distribute unregistered copies.
PianoSim 1.0 currently requires Color QuickDraw, so it will not run on
Mac Plus, SE, Classic. Future updates may have this ability. ItUs tested
on MacII, IIcx, IIx, IIsi, IIci, IIfx, Quadra 700, under system 7 and 6.0.5
up.
Any bug reports, suggestions, comments, etc. are all welcome.
Thank you for your time and hope you have fun with PianoSim.

I am currently looking for a mac programming position (I am a Univ. of
Chicago graduate student getting my degree), if you have a job
offer or any information that may help, please contact me. I also wrote a
game for Macintosh called SpaceInvader!, which can be downloaded from
sumex.stanford.edu under info-mac/game directory. Have a try if you like
games.

Hui Dong
hui@rainbow.uchicago.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/program/piano-sim-10.hqx; 366K]

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:46:50 -0500
From: Dolben@UNH.edu
Subject: [*] MathPad 1.5.6

MathPad is a general purpose scientific calculator that uses text input
rather than a graphic simulation of a hand held calculator.  The results of
algebraic expressions are inserted into the text or may be assigned to
variables, which can be used in expressions.  Recursive function definition
and conditional expressions are provided for 'programming' the calculator.
Also, the results of an expression may be put into a table or graphed.  The
text and graph may be printed or copied to the clipboard.

MathPad is an application that runs in a relatively small (150K) chunk of
memory.  It's not supposed to be a general purpose program that has every
imaginable feature.  Its documents are TEXT files with a few extra
resources containing preferences.  It has been run for a few months on
several different Macs running system 7.  It has also been tried under
system 6.0.7 on a Mac Plus.

This software may be distributed freely but may not be sold.
E-mail comments and suggestions to:  WIDHOLM@UNH.EDU

The application and its README file are enclosed in a StuffIt archive.

Enjoy,

Hank Dolben                                          Space Science Center
Dolben@UNH.edu                                University of New Hampshire

[Archived as /info-mac/app/mathpad-156.hqx; 61K]

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 9:16:36 EDT
From: Ted B Lowery -- Personal Account <tbl@rock.concert.net>
Subject: [*] Mine v1.0

Mine v1.0
By Ted Lowery

This is a Macintosh adaptation of a popular game I have seen on several other
systems, most recently MS-Windows 3.1.  It is not an original idea, though my
code is all my own creation (sans that which is copyright to Think
Technologies).

It is totally and absolutely free, though I do request that you report any
bugs to me.  I also ask that if you like the game, send me a postcard.  I love
getting mail to let me know people are using my worthless junk.  It inspires
me to write more worthless junk.

			My mailing address is:
					PO Box 30051
					Raleigh, NC  27622

			Email:
					CIS:  76350,2613
					Internet:  tbl@rock.concert.net

I have run this on several color and b/w machines, and it seems to work fine.
If you are interested in seeing my code, send a blank disk and $10 US to me at
the above address.

Since this is free, I encourage distribution, though please don't distribute
any modified copies of the program.  I would like it to remain my own
program.

Long live freeware!

Ted

[Archived as /info-mac/game/mine-10.hqx; 120K]

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:09:07 EDT
From: Adam Miller <AMILLER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: [*] Planetmaker

Planetmaker 1.0
Copyright 1992 Adam Miller

This AfterDark module generates fractal planets, and is absolutely incredibly
beautiful.  It uses an earthquake / sine wave algorithm, resulting in a
wondrous topography with perfect resolution and continuity.
This module only runs in color / grayscale.  Try it.  Let it run for a while.

[Archived as /info-mac/util/ad/planet-maker-10.hqx; 7K]

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:10:10 CDT
From: "hui dong" <hd12@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: [*] space-invader-10.hqx

Subject: SpaceInvader! 1.0

 ------------------------------------------------------------
To system administrator:

Due to name conflict, please remove the SpaceWar! 1.0 from your archive
and replace with this SpaceInvader! 1.0. A major bug that cause the Macs
with Graphic Card to crash is fixed in this release, together with some
other problems. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you very much.

hui dong

 -------------------------------------------------------------

							      Oct. 6, 1992

SpaceInvader! 1.0 Introduction:

OK, here is a new game called SpaceInvader! 1.0, I created for the Macintosh.
It is compressed and binhexed with Compact Pro 1.33, 440K.
It's uploaded to: sumex.stanford.edu, under info-mac/game.
It's a fast action "shoot up" type game with 30 frame per second animation,
currently require 8 bit (256) color/gray to run (if there's enough interest
and resource, I will make it run under other color depth in future updates).
It uses 640x480 full screen. Although not recommended, if you has a bigger
size
monitor and know how to use ResEdit, you can change the "battle field" to a
larger size by increasing the window size of the WIND resource (only one) to
anything NO BIGGER than your real screen size.

SpaceInvader! 1.0 is distributed as shareware, ask for $20 shareware fee if
you
like it and play it. But if you REALLY couldn't afford it, send any amount
you prefer. Being a Mac game lover myself, I could have asked for less, but as
a poor graduate student, getting my degree and currently looking for a job
(preferably a Mac programming job), I need and appreciate all the help I can
get now! So if you like the game, please send me what you can afford and help
me to get over this difficult time. And if you have a job offer or any
information that may help, please contact me! I really appreciate all your
help.

SpaceInvader! 1.0 is a fast action "shoot up" game, the goal is to achieve
highest score. I am trying to make it very responsive so you can shoot and
maneuver as fast as you can, more or less a practice of your response.
You are armed with a bullet gun or a laser gun. Bullet costs you 1 point,
you get lasers by catching laser supply. There are four types of enemy bomb
ships dropping bombs, each type has different level of shield protection.
Enemy
also has bullet gun ship and laser ship that shoot bullets and lasers at you.
Besides, there are seven types of enemy special war ships that do some nasty
things to you: drop atomic bomb, shoot missile, lay mines, drop plague slows
down your speed, drop S-bomb blast you ammunition, drop parity change your
sense of left and right (it's really a hi-tech war out there! *smile*), and
drop ozone layer shorten your gun range. You are not helpless though, there
are four types of friendly supply ships provide you with extra life, free
bullets (you will certainly appreciate it if your ammunition is blasted),
faster move speed, and laser supply (laser is awfully powerful, try it out!).
Well, of course, you had to catch these supplies first. There are atomic time
bomb and four types of magic that appear randomly, provide you with extra
score or take score from you without mercy, you must shoot them down
to get the bonus or avoid being hit by them within limited time.
Each level is more difficult than the previous one (enemy shoot or bomb
faster, supplies are more difficult to catch, etc.). With all these, get a
high score and have fun.

SpaceInvader! is tested on MacII, IIcx, IIci, Quadra 700, under sys7 & 6.0.5
up.
Please send any bug reports, problems ... to me so it can be fixed in future
updates. Anyone who send his/her donation will receive a Thank You letter
together with registration code so he/she can personalize the copy, and get
any future updates free. No, the game is not protected. Please distribute only
the unregistered copy.

Since I don't have access to the CompuServe or Genie or American Online or
Zmac,
I'd appreciate if someone can upload the program to these sites. And if you
like to do that, please email me first, I don't want to sent multiple copies
to these sites.

I also release another Mac software called PianoSim 1.0 I developed for
the Macintosh. It's a music instrument simulation with full music input and
edit ability. Try it and have fun.

Thank you for your time, hope you enjoy the game.


Hui Dong
hui@rainbow.uchicago.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/game/space-invader-10.hqx; 364K]

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:21:11 EDT
From: Scott Kaplan <sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu>
Subject: 32-bit addressing and memory constraints.

In Info-mac #241, someone asks (sorry, I forgot the name already):
The scenario:

- A IIci with more than 8Megs of RAM installed - say 12Megs as an example.
- 32-bit addressing is NOT turned on

The Question:  Why can't virtual memory be used?

----
Okay, this is a variation on a commonly asked question (although more often
it comes in the form of a person who has more than 8 megs RAM with 24-bity
addresses going, and their System takes up like 10 megs...).  The Memory
cdev will not let you allocate any virtual memory because you cannot address
any more.  In 24-bit mode, the most your Mac can address is 8 megs.  Now, they
can't stop you from installing more than 8 megs into the machine, but you're
not using more than that (although there is apparently some special extension
that can be used to bump the limit up to 14 megs...).  So, the Virtual part
of the cdev won't let you allocate any disc memory because it can't possibly
address more than what is physically in the machine.

And, I won't ask why you have more than 8 megs of RAM and are using 24-bit
addressing.

Scott Kaplan
Amherst College
sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:55:45 EDT
From: "Dieder B." <UGU00266@vm.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Am I really losing it?

In the last digest there was an exchange between Jon Pugh and Wade Williams
about 'piracy'. I have no problems with what was said, but HOW. How
did we get a response to a message when it hadn't even been distributed
in the list yet?

I'm confused (as per usual) !!

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:19:26 PDT
From: lee@wrc.xerox.com (Lee Moore)
Subject: Apple ISDN being dumped?

I heard a rumor that Apple is dumping their ISDN card.  Does anybody know
if this is true?  Does Apple plan to unload the remainder of their
stock in the surplus market?  I am interested in getting some ISDN cards
if their price is right.

Lee

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Date: 08 Oct 1992 15:48:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jennifer J. Ziebarth" <ZIEBARTJ@carleton.edu>
Subject: Appleshare 3.0 and RAMdisk+ [A]

Erik Oliver wrote asking for advice about how to run a network of Mac Plusses
>From a server using Appleshare 3.0, while avoiding the obvious constraints of
800K floppies.

I coordinate a lab of plusses running from a IIsi server.  Our solution to the
space problem is as follows:

We boot the plusses from an 800K floppy which contains a very minimal set of
system software:
  *minimal system 6.0.8:  system, finder, general setup.
  *appleshare 3.0 workstation software
  *disinfectant
  *RAMdisk+ 3.16

This setup allows our plusses to boot up and connect to the server.  From
there
RAMdisk+ takes over.  It allows you to use some of the mac's RAM as a storage
space.  It also allows you to copy files into the "disk" it creates that way,
and in particular it is possible to copy files from a remote server into RAM.
It also allows you to switch the control of the mac to this RAM disk.

We then set up a "startup folder" on the server which contains a full system
folder, including printer drivers, INITS, CDEVS, plenty of fonts, and all
that.
RAMdisk copies this folder into RAM, switches control to the RAM disk, ejects
the floppy, and is ready to go with as much stuff as the RAM can reasonably
handle.

Note:  When we started putting more stuff into our RAM disks, we found it
became necessary rather soon to update our plusses to 4M of RAM.  It is still
possilbe to do with less, but obviously you run into space problems sooner.

RAMdisk+ is a shareware program ($35, if I recall correctly), which is
available on sumex.

I hope I've explained enough that you can take a look and see what you think
--
if not, please feel free to contact me again and I'll see what further help I
can be.

Jennifer Ziebarth
Carleton College

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:03:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Mealiffe <lewis@cerf.net>
Subject: Argosy Software

Does anyone know the e-mail address for Argosy Software?

Jeff Mealiffe
San Diego City Schools
lewis@cerf.net

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Date: 08 Oct 1992 08:49:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: EVAN <V060P9RR@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Subject: BinHex 4.0 - How to use? [q]

	I finally successfully downloaded Binhex 4.0 from one of the
archives by first downloading it to my upstairs neighbor's IBM from my VAX
account all because xmodem is the only protocal the vax supports from my
software.
	Well, anyway, how do I use it?  I also successfully downloaded
GifConverter 2, but I can't unbinhex it correctly.  I removed the headers
but I can't get it to work as an application.  It shows up on my hard drive
as a document.  I double-click it and it says "application is busy or not
there."  HELP.

				Evan

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:39:11 PDT
From: Geoff Walsh <gpw@CERF.NET>
Subject: Census Dept. CD-ROM data analysis

We're looking for some (preferably Mac based) software that can read
the 1990 U.S. Census data on CD-ROMs and selectively extract it.  We
plan to do further analysis and presentations, such as with a
database, spreadsheet, data/geography visualization package, etc. So
far, all we've found are one or two MS-DOS based packages that can
somehow interface to Mac applications: databases (e.g., FileMaker),
spreadsheets or some geographic information system (GIS), such as
MapInfo.  At this point, we're looking at analyzing only one (or part
of a) state at a time.

Is there anyone in the Mac world retrieving data off the Census CD-ROMs?
I'm assuming a IIci, 8MB RAM, 200+ MB disk, System 7 is enough to
process the data. Please let me know (email or post a reply).  I'll
summarize to the net if I get anything of value.

On the PC side, the systems/packages we've seen are:

    *   "Free" software from the Census Dept. on the CDs
    *   Donnelley Marketing Information Services' "Conquest"
    *   ATG's Census Data Extract

We can probably use Insignia's Soft-PC to run one of these.

Anyone have any experiences (good or bad) with these?  Any others out
there (even for PCs)? What about any on-line services (CompuServe,
Dialog, Lotus something?) Thanks in advance

Geoff Walsh
gpw@cerf.net

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:34:11 EDT
From: hallofjustice!bursik@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Bursik)
Subject: Color monitor recommendations (Q)

I'm looking for some recommendations from the net for adding a large-
screen color monitor to my Mac IIsi (currently w/Apple Portrait monitor).
I have some of the old monitor bakeoffs from MacUser, but new stuff has
been coming out so it's hard to rely on old test results.

I'm having trouble finding a good monitor/card combination because I
want to add a DayStar accelerator (thus limiting me to PDS video cards).
I currently have a NuBus interface installed, but plan to remove it to
add the CPU accelerator/PDS card position.

My ultimate aim is to be able to use the IIsi as a dial-up X Terminal
to the UNIX (Sun) network at my office (in addition to doing ordinary
Mac stuff) so I can do some work from home (within the limitations of
MacX/eXodus, V.32bis, SLIP, etc.).

Target specs are as follows:

Monitor:
    o 16-inch or larger, preferably Trinitron   o 75Hz [>60Hz, anyway]
    o at least 1024x768 resolution              o capable of 72 dpi
    o switchable modes would be nice (e.g., 1024x768->1152x870)

Video Card:
    o 8-bit color; would consider 24-bit if price/features right
    o IIsi PDS (don't think NuBus card with "IIsi adaptor" will work)
    o QuickDraw acceleration nice (if it will help w/apps like MacX;
	don't plan to use Illustrator, PhotoShop, etc., just yet)

Other:
    o low emissions, good shielding on monitor
    o price <$2000 for 16-inch/8-bit
	    <$3000 for >16-inch and/or 24-bit card and/or QD acceleration.

I'm willing to pay a little more for quality, but don't want to go broke
on this deal.  I'd rather have a very good 16-inch/8-bit/QD-accelerated
setup than a mediocre 20-inch/24-bit combo.  I'm also willing to consider
ideas like upgrading to a IIci (at the current fire-sale prices) that would
let me add the DayStar, keep System 6, use current apps, etc. (I don't want
to move up to a Quadra just yet).

Please respond via e-mail.  Thanks.

-Dave Bursik / uunet!lccinc!bursik

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:22 EST
From: PC Coordinator <LFINKELSTEIN@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Compatability of Remote Access and Prometheus Home Office.

I have a Mac 2si with a Prometheus 14.4 Fax/Modem that answers the phone.

Now I recently bought a PB 100 from Citibank.  What I want to know is can I
use remote access to hook into the 2si?

I don't think that the Fax software that comes with the Prometheus is capable
of letting someone call with a computer.  It only accepts voice and Fax
calls.

Any ideas?

					Loren Finkelstein
					LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CALRKU.EDU

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Date: 8 Oct 1992 09:41:39 U
From: "Robert Hess" <robert_hess@macweek.ziff.com>
Subject: Conflict- Speedy Finder 7 a

Conflict: Speedy Finder 7 and AutoDoubler 2.0...NOT
Dwight Lemke writes:

There is a conflict between Speedy Finder 7 and Autodoubler that causes
AD to quit when you select the "Savings..." button.

I just did it flawlessly, Dwight. SpeedyFinder 1.5.3 and AutoDoubler 2.0. I
have not enabled: empty trash on normal drag, SpeedyFinder7 application icon,
and the menu command options for Quit/Alias/Restart.

Robert

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:34:18 EDT
From: dom manno <V1723G%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: DOS-INIT 1.2

Does anyone on the net besides me have this uneasy feeling about this
program?
If you read the READ ME file, it says questions should be directed to "Mister
Cee wherever he may be" but gives no way to do so!  It also refers to some
outfit called "STRIKERware," which sounds suspicious to me.
Then, some netters have reported problems after installing it.  I think one
person reported a crash.
Finally, it's freeware.  Something in me just doesn't believe something this
good is being given away for free.
In short, I think it may be a Trojan horse.  I may be wrong (it just may be
the
natural cynicism of the journalist) but I'm not going to install it until I
find out more about it.

Dom Manno
Journalism Graphics Lab, Temple University
<v1723g@vm.temple.edu>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:33:46 CST
From: GR4486@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Subject: DOS Init conflict... (C)

Tried it on a IIsi running system 6.0.7.  It not only conflicts with AFE,but
also SoftPC.  Looks like it used the same trick that AFE does, and then
the finder would think that you were using a mac disk. Because of that,
AFE does not think you have a DOS disk in there, neither does SoftPC.

Copying TEXT files to and from are all OK, but not files that have info
on the resource fork.

Better still go ahead and buy AccessPC ...

Jack

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Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:27:28 -0800
From: "Anker, Andrew" <anker@spayot.com>
Subject: Drag & Drop Utility

rcjpjrv@uxmail.ust.hk (Rick Jarvis) writes:

>I'm looking for a utility which will provide a palette of applications
>which could remain on the desktop for drag-and-drop use. I've tried
>LaunchPad, which is nice but requires 2 steps: d&d to an icon then select
>>From a menu. What I would like is a palette (whose size & placement I could
>configure) of small icons from applications which would be available for
>d&d. I think such an interface would do wonders for helping to keep the
>desktop neat. Does anyone know of such a utility? Any takers? TIA.

I wrote a program called PowerAlias which sort of does what you want.  It's a
small program that stores application aliases in it.  You define a key to
represent each of the aliases.  So to use Word, for instance, you would alias
your Word application (in the PowerAlias set up box) and then define "w" to
represent Word.  If you drag and drop a MacWrite file on the PowerAlias
application and hold down the "w" key, PowerAlias launches your MacWrite file
in
Word.

You don't get a resizable palette, you just get one icon that can represent
many.
Unfortunately, I don't have the capabilities to send you a copy of it over the
internet (or at least I haven't figured it out yet).  I do have accounts on
AOL,
CompuServe and AppleLink.  If you (or anyone else for the matter) is
interested
in the program or is interested and able to post it on Info-Mac, let me know
and
I will use one of the other services to get it to you.

Hope this helps,

Andrew Anker
anker@spayot.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:01 EDT
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <needje@msen.com>
Subject: Eudora 1.3b92--oops 1.3b93--Now Available

>Subject:  Eudora 1.3b92 Now Available
>
>Eudora 1.3b92 is now available for anonymous ftp from ftp.qualcomm.com
>(192.35.156.5).  It fixes quite a few small bugs in 1.3b90.  The most
>serious of these were problems displaying dates for timezones >+9 and <-9,
>and problems with the selection of default transliteration tables.
>
>Those of you using 1.3b90 should get the new version.  Those of you still
>using an earlier version may wish to wait for the hardy and brave to smooth
>the road a bit more.
>
>For a file listing, send mail to eudora-info@qualcomm.com.
>--
>Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.

[An insignificant amount of time passes...]

>Subject:  Eudora1.3b92 is nasty; wait for b93
>
>There is a bug in Eudora1.3b92 that will wipe out your configuration and
>switches settings.  Do not use b92, but wait for b93, which will be out in
>a few minutes.
>
>The bug was a wrong settings file version number.
>--
>Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Jeff Needleman  <needje@msen.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:40:36 EDT(-0400)
From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
Subject: Fat Files (C)

Bob Kerns writes:
> Actually, the technology has long existed to support multiple
> filesystems.  In fact, the Mac supports too many to even count.
> There's MFS, HFS, Appleshare, NFS, a couple varients of CDROM,
> AFS, and probably others I've never heard of.

True.  In fact, several of those are supported as extensions.  So why isn't
there a third-party extension to support a more efficient file system?
Maybe because it isn't worth much to most users.  Maybe because there are
easier and/or more effective ways to save disk space.  Maybe because
compression is a more exciting, more avant-garde application than writing a
file system.  Maybe because users wouldn't understand the benefit of an
alternative file system.  I don't know.

It all comes back to the point we agree on: for a few users, partitioning is
a useful if kludgy way to save disk space.  For the majority, the wasted
space is a minor annoyance, better lived with than fought.  There are also
other valid reasons to partition.  If you are concerned, you *must* analyze
your own usage.  There is no simple rule.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.resun.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.resun.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330

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Date: 08 Oct 1992 21:27:20 +0100
From: ROB KOUWENBERG <ERSICRKO@er.ele.tue.nl>
Subject: (Q) cdev pict wrap around wanted !
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Hiya Netters,
I once used to have a program that kept my cdev pictures from running off the
right of my 9" screen at startup. Somehow I lost it, and I haven't managed
since to get hold of it. Could someone point me to the name of this pgm ( or
mail it to me as I recall it to be shareware )

Best regards, keep up the good work,
Rob Kouwenberg, Student Eindhoven University of Technology
ERSICRKO@er.ele.tue.nl
ERSICRKO@HEITUE52.bitnet

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Date: 8 Oct 92 10:08:00 EST
From: PER_CUNNING@osi.ohio.gov
Subject: FileMaker Import (A)

In Info-Mac #242, Tom Scott <tom_scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu> asks:

>     FileMaker Import (Q)
>I have a couple of offices that have FileMaker Pro and they wish to import
>work
>files that have been downloaded from the campus IBM mainframe.  I've done
>this
>quite often with FoxBase+/Mac and FoxPro (IBM).  I've just appended to a
>predefined data file with file type SDF (standard delimiter format) where
each
>record has a fixed record length (i.e. first name occupies columns 1-20,
last
>name occupies columns 21-50, etc.), so I just set the field lengths in the
>local database to match the lengths specified in the mainframe definition.
My
>question is:  How do I do this in FileMaker?  I looked at their manual and
>they
>have about 8 file formats supported for import, but nothing that looks like
>something I can use.  Any FileMaker Pros out there willing to lend me a
hand?
>TIA

>Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
>Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

I download data from an IBM mainframe into my Mac fairly often, and I'm not
aware of any way to directly import column-delimited data such as this into
FileMaker Pro.  I use a shareware utility called Add/Strip (currently version
2.9.2?), which can do a bunch of different conversions on text files,
including converting fixed-column information into tab-delimited data.  After
this conversion, the data can be easily imported into FileMaker Pro.

I would assume that Add/Strip can be found in one of the Internet archives,
but since I'm fairly new to the Internet game, I'm not sure where to point
you.  Perhaps one of the more knowledgeable Info-Mac readers can help?  I
found Add/Strip on Compu$erve some time back, and I'm sure you could find it
there in a pinch.

Hope this helps!

--Larry Cunningham

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:21:11 EDT
From: ferrante@aaec1.aaec.com
Subject: Grayscale printing

I'm trying to print a document which contains an 8 bit grayscale image from
my mac plus, but the printer output just looks like the Mac Plus screen -
no grays. Printing the same document to the same printer from either a
Quadra Sys 7.0.1 (24 bit display) or a IIci sys 6.0.7 (1 bit display) works
fine. The printer driver is 7.0 and color/grayscale is turned on in the
dialog box.

Any ideas -- or is this a known problem?

Thanks.
---
Richard D. Ferrante
Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation
470 Totten Pond Road
Waltham, Ma. 02154
(617) 890-4200
ferrante@aaec.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 08:59:13 EDT
From: "LISA L.W. BESKO" <besko@dasher.nscl.msu.edu>
Subject: HPLJ IIIP-Quadra/Word Processing/AT Remote (Q's)

I would like to know if anyone out there in NetLand has any answers, opinions
or suggestion on the following questions.  Any assistance would be
appreciated.

1.  There is a user here that has a LaserJet IIIp, Quadra 700 and and IBM
PS2.
    Currently the LJIIIP and the PS2 are connected and the Quadra has to print
    over the Ethernet to a different printer.  We would like to connect the
    Quadra to the LJIIIP with or without the PS2.  Is there a way to do this
    without having to switch from the Ethertalk to the Local talk?  JPugh was
    talking about the AppleTalk Internet Router, would this do the trick?
    What about connecting it Serially? In the Mac-Laser-Jet-Up-Rev-11 report
    on Info-Mac a serial driver is mentioned that is available from APDA,
    who is APDA an how do I get in touch with them?

2.  We are also looking for an editor that can handle equations and scientific
    characters that is available on several platforms (VMS and MAC mainly,
    DOS and Unix would be nice).  Does any one know of such a package or a
    fairly painless way to do this?  Does this sound like a job for Windows
    NT?

3.  Where can I find out more information on AppleTalk Remote?  Who wrote it
    Apple?

You can send the answers directly to me and I will summarize and post the any
information I receive.  Thanks once again for any assistance you may provide.

SeeYa,

Lisa Besko
Mich. State Univ.
Cyclotron
Bitnet: BESKO@MSUNSCL
Internet:  BESKO@NSCL01.NSCL.MSU.EDU

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:37 CDT
From: David Zavadsky <DAVIDZ@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject: IIci LocalTalk/Keyboard Failure

A BBS user here in Madison is having the following problem: his Mac IIci
has ceased appearing on his LocalTalk network, the IIci has no access to
any networked printers or computers, and the keyboard has stopped working,
though his mouse still works.  All of this misfortune happened after the
LocalTalk connector was accidentally pulled from the back of the Mac while
the computer and network were running.

The questions:  What exactly went wrong?  Can it be fixed?  And, roughly
how much would it cost to fix the problem, if it indeed can be fixed?

Please respond to me directly, or to the list, whichever is more
convenient.  Thanks in advance!

David Zavadsky
davidz@macc.wisc.edu   (Internet)
davidz@wiscmacc.bitnet (Bitnet)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:11:08 PDT
From: therese@usc.edu (Steve & Terri Humphrey)
Subject: I need a CTB vt100 terminal tool

This should be an easy request.  Why can't I find a VT100 terminal tool for
the Communications Toolbox?  I know I am looking in all the wrong places;
what is the right place?

Thanks,

Stephen & Therese Humphrey                      therese@usc.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:12:22 EDT
From: Laird Popkin <laird@Think.COM>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #242

   Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 22:15:30 CDT
   From: "Eric H. Durbrow" <C509393@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
   Subject: Win 3.1 beats 7.0

   A prof on my doctoral committee insists that the Mac and its system are
   doomed. He contends that he can (a) multitask all his programs on his 386
   running Windows 3.1 but not on an FX running System 7; (b) programs are
   becoming identical on each platform so why buy an overpriced Mac; (c)
   monitors
   are cheaper and better for PCs than the Apple 13 inch. Would appreciate
   rebuttals. Obliged, Eric.

Attempting to avoid flames, my response to his claims would be:

(a) the multitasking under Windows and under MultiFinder/System 7.0 are
functionally about the same.  If he thinks that Windows is multitasking,
then System 7.0 is as well.  Neither is "heavy duty" multitasking, but both
are sufficient for people to work on multiple things while printing and
transferring files.  If the most important thing to him is multitasking, he
can get an Amiga A500 for $500 or so -- it multitasks much better then
either Windows or the Mac, for what that's worth.  Better games, too. :)

For "real multitasking" in the future, Apple will be adding threaded
multitasking to the Mac OS, while Microsoft wants people to migrate to
"Windows NT".

(b) Programs running under Windows are still limited by Windows and DOS and
the PC.  That's why Windows is limited to 8-letter file names with a three
letter extension, with no concept of a file type and creator, you need to
edit text files to configure things, you can't have two serial ports and a
mouse (run out of interrupts) and so on.  So while MS Word may run pretty
much the same way on both systems, under Windows you have an impressively
awkward file selector, can't have meaningful file names, have flaky mouse
tracking, weird memory constraints, and so on.

(b2) Mac's aren't much more expensive than PC's.  In fact, a complete Mac
system costs less than a comparable "brand name" PC.  What makes PC's cheap
is that there are the no-name, no-margin companies selling PC clones, but
not Mac's.  Though a no-name PC clone is cheaper, you have to decide
whether you value your time and frustration more than the difference in the
price.  And don't forget to add the sound board, joystick board, mouse, OS,
RAM, SCSI interface, etc., when comparing prices. :)

And, of course, System 7.0 runs on low-end Mac's, while Windows 3.1 doesn't
run on low-end PC's.  By that I mean that System 7.0 runs on a 68000-based
Mac Plus, while Windows 3.1 won't run on an 8086, and barely runs on an
80286 (and with rather reduced functionality).  That means that I can run
System 7.0 on a cheap Mac Classic, while Windows requires a fairly hefty
PC.

I just saw a Powerbook 100 2/20 eith external floppy drive advertised for
$629.  I don't recall seeing any Windows-capable laptop PC's with
trackballs selling for anywhere near that...

In summary, it's no longer true that Mac's are "overpriced".  Personally, I
think that good designs are worth paying for, and that my time is valuable,
so I've never thought that the Mac was "overpriced".  Too expensive to be
the highest volume computer, true, but worth the price for many people.

(c) You can use the same monitors on both the PC and Mac.  Mac owners tend
to buy better (e.g. Sony) monitors, even if they cost more, while PC owners
tend to buy on price and "specs", but if you want to put a cheap VGA
monitor on your Mac LC, you can.  Admittedly, you can spend a lot of money
on a two-page color monitor on a Mac, while PC's don't support anything
larger than VGA with any consistency, but that's a limitation of PC's.

On the other hand, you really don't want to get in a fight with someone on
your doctoral committee...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:58:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Fox <johnf@tenet.edu>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #242

>Word 5.1 is expected to ship some time in November.  The estimated
>upgrade price will be between $25 and $125.  It is supposed to be
>a fair bit like WinWord 2, but I don't recall the specifics.  Check
>last week's issue of MacWeek; they had a good article on Word 5.1
>on the front page.

According to a front page Info-World  article I read, the upgrade price
for 5.1 users will be $14.95. Users of pre-5.0 versions will still have to
fork over $125.

John Fox
johnf@tenet.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 05:34:31 -0400
From: Bob Kerns <rwk@crl.dec.com>
Subject: INIT Loading Program

    Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:03:36 CDT
    From: NEWBERRY@PHYS.TAMU.EDU
    Does anyone here know of a program that will intercept the icons of
    various INITs being displayed at startup?  I'd like some program that
    keeps them from writing over each other or trailing off past the
    edge of my screen.  In addition, I'd like one that was compatible
    with MaxAppleZoom...

Now Utilities' Startup Manager does this (and a lot more).  I use
it both with MaxAppleZoom (on my II) and without (on my PB100).  (Just
have MaxAppleZoom load first -- controlling load order is another
thing that Startup Manager does!)

There's an init called IconWrap or something like that, but it doesn't
work nearly as well as the option in Startup Manager.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:56 EST
From: MIGLIUOLO@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
Subject: INIT Loading Program (A)

There is a freeware program (an INIT) called IconWrap that will
moves the icons onto a second row. It is written by Ken McLeod
(thecloud@dhw68k.cts.com is the e-mail I have from the documentation).
I got my copy from the BCS archives, perhaps it's also available
>From SUMEX. I have no idea if it is compatible with MaxAppleZoom;
you might ask the author. I'm happy with the way it works.

------------------------------

Date: 8 Oct 1992 09:53:17 U
From: "Robert Hess" <robert_hess@macweek.ziff.com>
Subject: INIT Loading Program [A]

INIT Loading Program [A]
Rob Newberry writes:

Does anyone here know of a program that will intercept the icons of
various INITs being displayed at startup?  I'd like some program that
keeps them from writing over each other or trailing off past the
edge of my screen.  In addition, I'd like one that was compatible
with MaxAppleZoom, though I realize, since it redraws the screen at
boot time, that's probably asking too much.  Anyone know of a program
that might even be close to what I'm looking for?

Several INIT pickers do this, though all are commercial. INIT Manager from
Baseline, INITPicker from Microseeds (I _think_) and Startup Manager 4.0 from
NOW will manage icon display.

Robert

------------------------------

Date: 08 Oct 1992 09:12:34 -0500
From: mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Internet Tour hypercard stack (R)

>From: John Wical <UNCJWI%LLUVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
>Subject: internet-tour-xx.hqx
>
>Where can I get the Internet Tour hypercard stack?
>
>John

Available via anonymous ftp from nnsc.nsf.net  /internet-tour

Michael McGuire, UTCC  :-)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:35:40 -0500
From: "Gary Williams" <anesthes@epx.cis.umn.edu>
Subject: LaserWriter page length

I have been looking for a way to change the paper size when printing on my
LaserWriter IINT so that I can print on pages longer than 14 inches.  My
department has been printing banners, and it is a real pain trying to print
them
on several sheets of legal paper, and then cut of the excess edges to piece
them
together.  I can get my hands on a roll of paper 8 1/2 inches wide, so I can
cut
the paper to the desired length.  I just can't convince the printer to keep
printing longer than 14 inches.  Any suggestions?

	    Gary Williams                anesthes@staff.tc.umn.edu
	    University of Minnesota - Department of Anesthesiology

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 20:55:27 PST
From: John Wical <UNCJWI%LLUVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: macii-fan-replacement.hqx

   Back in Feb 92 there was talk about a way to replace the noisy
fan on a MAC II (68020), and instructions were put in the archives
in the file /info-mac/report/macii-fan-replacement.hqx.
   That file is missing now.  Does anyone know where I can get it?

John

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:40:56 PST
From: Monte B. Olsen <olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu>
Subject: Mac LC Problems

Hi Everybody,

I'm concerned. I have owned a Macintosh LC for just over a year and a half. In
that time, I've had two hard drives go out. Now, there's a problem getting
video
to the high resolution Apple 13-inch monitor! The problem doesn't appear to be
in the monitor but on the logic board. Anybody have any suggestions as to what
it might be?

It is somewhat intermittent. I can actually watch the screen fade to black.
Then
five minutes later, the screen might fade back in. Sometimes it won't come
back
for hours.

Are these problems typical of Apple quality control standards? I'm tired of
paying to have this thing repaired. Are there any other remedies? Does anyone
have any suggestions of where I could send this computer to be repaired for a
reasonable cost rather than having some inept bozo swap the motherboard for
$600
or so because they can't see any other fix?

AND is there anyone at Apple who would remotely be interested in helping
remedy
this problem? I guess it doesn't pay to buy a computer manufactured on a
Monday
or whatever...

Thanks for any help, advice, followup, etc. All comments are genuinely
appreciated.

Monte Olsen
olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 9:38:39 PDT
From: Rick_Sutcliffe@faith.twu.ca (Rick Sutcliffe)
Subject: MacLogimo

		 Trinity Western University                  Time: 09:37
			       MEMO                          Date: 1992 10
08
 Subject:   MacLogimo
Does anyone in netland know what became of this shareware Modula-2 compiler
for the Mac?
Rick Sutcliffe
reply to rsutc@twu.ca

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:19:06 +0600
From: williw1@mail.auburn.edu (Wade Williams)
Subject: Macs and PC's

>A prof on my doctoral committee insists that the Mac and its system are
>doomed. He contends that he can (a) multitask all his programs on his 386
>running Windows 3.1 but not on an FX running System 7; (b) programs are
>becoming identical on each platform so why buy an overpriced Mac; (c)
monitors
>are cheaper and better for PCs than the Apple 13 inch. Would appreciate


a)  He certainly can multitask with System 7.  I once opened 14
applications at once, all of which were multitasking.  System 7 and Windows
use the same cooperative multitasking technique.

b)  There is some truth to this.  However, many of the most advanced
applications are still only available on the Macintosh.  Also, most Windows
applications take up much more hard drive space and memory than their
Macintosh counterparts.  So, he'll need to spend an extra $500 on a larger
hard drive.

c)  Monitors are cheaper for PC's but they are definitely not better.
There are some good monitors out there, but very few that are the quality
of the Apple monitors.  Apple does monitors right and any monitor vendor
will tell you that.  They have been somewhat overpriced, but there is a new
cheaper model coming out.

DOS users have been saying the Mac was doomed since its introduction and
they haven't been right yet.  It will certainly never dominate, but people
don't make computer purchases based upon the best computer.  They make them
based on the cheapest bottom-line price and on what their computer buddy
said they should buy.  If the dominant computer were truly the best
platform, we'd all be using Amiga's, Macs or NeXT, but certainly not PC's.

The most interesting thing is that the Windows users are now telling the
DOS users about the wonderful benefits of a GUI and of making the computer
easier to operate.  We tried telling them that for years and they claimed a
GUI gave you no control.

Wade Williams
Academic Computing Services, Auburn University
williw1@mail.auburn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:10:53 -0800
From: Robert Lenoil <lenoil@catalogic.com>
Subject: MacScheme Support? [A]

Last I heard (and this is years old), Semantic Microsystems is now known as
Lightship Software, and can be found at:
13 Forest Glen st.
Mountain View, CA 94043
(415) 694-7799

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:46:38 GMT
From: knight@swfmc1.SINet.SLB.COM (Francis Knight, SIEM UK Felixstowe)
Subject: MacWord -> WinWord ?

A thought occurred while reading Jacob Palme's note on converting Word for
Mac docs to WinWord docs. Does it work the other way round? Or is it just a
diode for users migrating from Mac to Windows?

Francis K.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:37:10 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Modems that connect with adb or card

Anyone know of a modem which can be installed as a card or as an
ADB device? This is for a bulletin board which already has one
modem running through the phone port and uses the printer port
for AppleTalk. The owner does not want to use a networkable modem.
Thanks, Pete Tamas
Gnome@TempleVM.bitnet, Temple Univ, Philadelphia(betw New York & Wash DC)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:58:47 +0100
From: gs@statlab.uni-heidelberg.de
Subject: Monitoring activities on Mac (A)

 Michel D Pepin was searching a software which would be able to record all
the activities running on a MacIntosh.

The NetWork Processor control panel extension has a logging facility which
can be set to log any user activity, launches of applications etc. Just
check the "Write log file" check box.

The NetWork Processor is part of the NetWork system for distributed
computing. It can be found on Apple's recent developer CD in the 'develop'
section.


  Guenther Sawitzki  <gs@statlab.uni-heidelberg.de>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:26:26 +0100
From: Joshua Lieberman <josh@mpi.unibe.ch>
Subject: MPW Shell distribution ?

Is it legal for anyone with net access to copy the MPW Shell from
ftp.apple.com for their own use? I ask because I am distributing
awk scripts for use with gawk ported to an MPW tool. I would like`
to recommend to users not owning MPW that they may use the Shell
>From ftp.apple.com. I understand it is not legal for me to
re-distribute the Shell, but whether others can obtain it for
their own use seems to me legally murky.

Thanks,

Joshua Lieberman <josh@mpi.unibe.ch>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 8:23:34 EDT
From: James BelBruno (GC-CDSI) <belbruno@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: MSoft 5.0  what do you think?

I have been using Microsoft 5.0 recently for a few papers for my psych class
and I am kind of disappointed in the grammar checking feature.  I feel it
doesn't do a very good job of evaluating the style of my writing.  I have
used Grammatik (something like that name) on ibm pc and thought it was
pretty good.  What are your thoughts...gripes....compliments..on this
feature of Msoft 5.0..........btw......I use it on an LCII.  Thanks. JBelBruno

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:28:02 -0500
From: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News)
Subject: newscrud

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest