HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:57:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
Reply-To: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.40
Originator: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1hn1stINNii2@uwm.edu>, by rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar):
> Microwave?  Sattellite(sp?)?
> 

Speaking of *satellite* :-)

I hear one can get the current 50 megs of news a day via satellite, although
I don't know how you send news out. It would seem to me though that you
could send news out via telephone since this would be low bandwidth for
most home systems.

I also heard some cable company was doing netnews on one channel. Can anyone
confirm, expand, deny, or flame me to death on any of these items?

-- 
Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.
Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201  HAM: N9REJ       

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From: david@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Stack)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
Reply-To: david@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: david@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1hn1stINNii2@uwm.edu>, by rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar):
-> 
-> There's *GOT* to be a way...   What's WiscNet got that no one else has?
-> What *media* are they using?  Are they maintaining their own connections?
-> Microwave?  Sattellite(sp?)?
-> 
-> At how many points, and where, does WiscNet connect to the outside world?
-> Are there some "central" or "hub"-like points in the Internet to which one
-> *should* connect...  Where can I get a 'map' of the Internet? (NOT UUCPNet)
-> 
-> Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
-> Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan

For the answers to these and other Wiscnet questions contact Mike Dorl,
dorl@macc.wisc.edu
-- 
Newsgroups: pnw.motss,pnw.personals
From: marcuss@microsoft.com (Marcus Stringer)
Subject: Seventh-day Adventist Lesbigay's
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:06:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: pnw
Keywords: friends and others

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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Dec16.051316.3202@sopwith.uucp> snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy) writes:
/In article <2341@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
/|	"turn into a skid ..."
/The drivetrain doesn't matter.  Always steer where you want to go.
/And always look where you want to go.  Don't look at the phone pole
/or the other car, watch the nice clear lane you want the car to stay in.

One thing I learned is that there is a point of no return on a skid, and
that is when the angle of the car is more acute than the angle the wheels
can turn. At this point, you are going to do a 360. When this happens, the
best thing to do is *Jam The Brakes On And Lock All 4 Wheels*. What this
does is cause the car to slide in a straight line (while still rotating).
If you do not, the wheels will alternately grab and release causing the
car to shoot about unpredictably, making it very difficult for other
traffic to avoid your car. (Of course, if you are heading for a cliff,
you might want to try something else!)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon)
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:50:44 GMT

Hear, hear!  Finally someone laid it on the line.  Use your head.  Why
couldn't this have been said about thirty posts ago.  Another good idea
is to have emergency supplies like a map, gloves, boots, a full tank of
gas when you start your trip.  
There's nothing that will ensue disater more than a lack of
preparedness.
As for the technical aspects of driving on rain, snow or ice,  CHECK
WITH THE DEALERSHIP.  They have access to the results of hundreds of
hours of testing with your model of car.  This BS of trying to remember
thirty or forty rules that only peripherally relate to your car is going
to delay a reaction or cause an incorrect reaction.
From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: IT'S A MIRACLE!!
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:56:25 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

There is NO recession!  Can you believe it?  Imagine that.  In fact,
according to a report just released by the experts (economists from
several Universities), the recession ended in March 1991!!  But they
didn't want to announce in prematurely (before the election).  Now
that President Bush has taken the hit for a worthless economy (best in
the world right now), the truth can be made known.  In fact, they say
that if there is a downturn in the economy, it will be the start of a
NEW recession.  What out Governor Clinton.  You won't be able to blame
it on Bush!!
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 02 Jan 93 04:11:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Dec31.225104.3841@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com wrote:
> mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo) writes:
> 
> >Here's what I was trying to say in my statement.
> >Our retirement depends upon having a good economy when we
> >retire.  We should invest in a manner that will give us a surplus of food,
> >a surplus of housing, cheap health care, factories that crank out
> >products at little cost, etc, etc..  This is the invest in private
> >industry scenario.  The alternative is to have a large government,
> >large social programs, etc..  This won't get us very far if the economy
> >isn't booming.  A few government programs do invest in the future:
> >meals for kids, education, infastructure spending.  I'm not against putting
> >retirement dollars into those.
> 
> 
> Something that caught my eye in your response was the sentence "This is the
> invest in private industry scenario."  I'm not saying it's good or bad,
> although personally, I lean towards investing in private industry, but a
> red flag went up in my brain and made me think of the following question:
> Would those industries/companies gaining investiture from the government
> have an unfair advantage because of the government wanting to make sure
> they don't fail?  I mean, might there be incentive for the government to
> lean their way to make them profitable?  It may sound like an extremely
> dumb question, but I just thought this type of private industry investment
> *could* lead to all sorts of problems if it weren't done with some sort of
> checks and balances.

Oh, you mean like government has been doing for years with my tax dollars.
Investing it in the military industrial complex instead of consumer oriented
R&D.

petesk...
From: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Weather on I-5? (skid control)
Keywords: driving technique - regardless of vehicle
Organization: None to my knowledge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:26:53 GMT

    OOPS.  Better make it:
In article <1844@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>In article <BzFp62.L44@plato.ds.boeing.com> sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis) writes:
>>
>> [ ... much quoted stuff deleted ...]
>
>not more gas.  Correct for the fishtail conservatively; don't over
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, would it be correct(tm) then to apply a liberal dose of caution? :-)

-- 
    Steve McCarthy, speaking solo por mio |   #include <witty_remark>
      reply: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com |   #include <fake_line.art>
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From: justin@psg.com (Justin Norman)
Newsgroups: pnw.general,pdx.general,or.general
Subject: Help with compressed work week
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:09:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Dec29.200935.18942
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

Can anyone from Intel help me out with some questions about
compressed work week?  I work for a company that is considering
implementing CWW and if any one could help me out with 
some questions I would be GREATLY appreciative.

Or, if you work for another company that employes 24-hour 7 day
a week shift cycle I would appreciate hearing from you as well.


thank you!
jn


justin@psg.com
From: zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Who Calls The Shots at Powell's Technical Bookstore
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:51:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: fasttech.1992Dec21.105145.12629
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Fast Technology

>When the package containing the gift certificates arrived, I discovered that
>it also contained (besides several Powell's bookmarks) a business card for
>Powell's Technical Bookstore, elegantly embossed with the name of the store,
>address and phone numbers.  In the are on the card where the employee's name
>and title are printed was printed:

>                                    FUP
>                                 Store Cat

The store cat can frequently be found catnapping in the aisles or in a
convenient lounge chair. Seems quite mellow.

The store itself is OK, but isn't really in the same class as Stacey's or
Computer Literacy in the Bay Area.
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Weather on I-5? (skid control)
Keywords: driving technique - regardless of vehicle
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec21.214339.12616
Organization: UW Computing

In article <BzMDsu.DID@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy) writes:
>    OOPS.  Better make it:
>In article <1844@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>>In article <BzFp62.L44@plato.ds.boeing.com> sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis) writes:
>>>
>>> [ ... much quoted stuff deleted ...]
>>
>>not more gas.  Correct for the fishtail conservatively; don't over
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So, would it be correct(tm) then to apply a liberal dose of caution? :-)
>

That would probably be pragmatic ;^)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: mcbride@rust.zso.dec.com (Melinda McBride)
Subject: Re: just when you thought you had heard it all
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:51:19 GMT

In article <MS-C.724879834.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>This little news item came to my attention a few days ago.
> >It seems that a girl[*] made it into her high school's football program. 
> .... During a game, she got hit and seriously injured ....
>
>She is now suing the school district for megabucks ....
>
>The Sun had a withering editorial on the subject, on how this girl's
>selfishness turned an advance towards sexual equality into a huge setback.
>
> ....
>
[Omitted material indicated by ....]
Plenty of high school boys have sued school districts and football
helment manufacturers over injuries sustained playing football.  I don't
see how the person's gender affects whether or not one would think this
is responsible behavior.


Mac
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:59:46 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	'It seems to me that $1 invested in private industry will
	improve the economy more than $1 invested in the government.
	When I retire in the year 2025, I'd like to be able to say:
	"because of my social security dollars, US industry is large
	and profitable"'

A private pension fund manager is required to manage the fund so as to
preserve the pension, and is not allowed to put social engineering
objectives over this fiduciary objective.  The US stock market is
particularly ill-suited for investment of Social Security funds.  Such
an investment would drive the prices of those stocks up to a new level,
and then the prices would come down when the baby boomers retire and
that stock must be sold.  This would devastate the program.

In fact, there really is no suitable vehicle in which to invest all
this money.  But that's not likely to be a problem under the present
federal policy.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Let's Get Bike Helmet Law Repealed!
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:57:39 GMT

King County Netters,

From the postings I've read, and the people I've spoken with, it seems
that few people are in favor of the new bicycle helmet law. Not that
protecting ones head from injury isn't worthwhile, but rather that it's
yet another infringement on personal liberties by governing bodies.

We can sit here at our computer terminals and complain, which probably
won't cause a reversal of the situation, or we can take some action.
Whether you believe wearing helmets is a good idea, or not, I hope
you realize the true consequences of actions that erode your liberties
(freedoms) and will join me in opposing the action and try to obtain
a repeal before the law takes affect in March.

I suspect that there is already an effort underway to organize a repeal.
Likely, some of the six people that made an effort at the King County Council
meeting opposing the law are involved - I hope so! If there is an action
underway, then I'd like to join it by giving my time, talent and money. If
there isn't an action underway then I'd like to start one.

Let's get a thread going discussing how to repel this law.

Please post whatever information you have on the following questions:

  1) Is there an organized group formed to try and repeal the law?

  2) What are the legal procedures for getting the law repealed?

  3) What are the best ways to influence the legislators that have the power to
     repeal the law?

  4) Is it possible that the King County Health and Safety department has
     over-stepped their authority on this one? Have they trounced on the
     rights of the State, for example?

These four questions should get the ball rolling.

Please, let's keep the dialog of this thread focused on how to repeal the law
and not get into the rights and liberty issues - other threads are handling them.

I hope you net people in Seattle will get involved, even though the law as it
currently exists doesn't apply to you. Remember, once a law such as this is
passed with exclusions (such as Seattle) and adopted by passive attitudes it
gets easy to broaden its scope. In other words - you'll be next!

Let's fight this one hard - it's worth winning!

Thanks.

BobC

Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem 
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:06:24 GMT

pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:

>Crystal had written about hearing the Cos's advice "turn in the
>direction of the skid ..." in a tight spot. Happened to me too,
>in Tulsa in 1975.  (Yoowza - where'd that station wagon come from???)

>On the "I can drive in snow" thread - I heard a statement that I
>agree with.  Most of the people who say "I'm from BigSnowState
>and I know how to drive in Snow" usually are missing two crucial
>differences: wet snow and hills. And irregular snow falls.  That's 
>three. [Amoung the differences are ...]

>With out the regualr snowfall there is less chance to practice.
>The wet snow makes for slick roads in a heartbeat, and the hills
>just tend to negate SOP for intersections (The snow and ice rules
>are that traffic up the hill has right of way unless you are sliding
>sideways down the hill.  Sliding down the hill backwards is still a
>2 point penalty.)

I will definitely agree with you on the above.  I grew up in northern
Ohio, right on Lake Erie, so I saw quite a bit of snow during the
winter months.

I left Ohio when I was 25 and now live in Portland, OR.  Over the last
4 years of living here, I have to state that driving in the rare
snow and/or ice conditions of Portland is a FAR cry from driving around
in Ohio during the winter.  In Ohio, it would snow and snow some more,
until there was *usually* several inches on the ground.  This stuff would
pack down fairly well and travelling on it wasn't that bad.  In addition,
it would usually warm up after a couple of days and the sun would come
out, melting the snow during the day.  Oh, and one more thing, they use
mega amounts of salt on the roads in the Midwest and good, steep hills
are very rare in most of the Midwest.

In Portland, on the other had, hills are pretty prominent.  Additionally,
not much snow comes down in Portland itself (except for THIS winter 
season, where we've had two snowfalls already at the low elevations).
When it does snow, the temp. is usually right around freezing, so it's
not uncommon to get snow/freezing rain/sleet all at about the same time.
Additionally, there is NO salt used at all on the roadways, just sand 
and gravel.  When I drive to and from work, a distance of 9 miles, I
can be at any of several different elevations with a variance of as much
as 1000 ft. during the commute and thus can start out from work with rain
and end up at home in a snowstorm.  And RARELY do I travel anywhere near
the speed limit when winter weather hits Portland, this even with chains
and/or studded tires on.

So, I know what the difference is driving where the usual winter gets
a lot of snow vs. what Portland is like, where a day in the winter with
sunshine is the norm, indeed.

allen
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Your old 16550 UART
Keywords: WANTED: Your old 16550 UART
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 12:12:37 GMT

mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:

>I'm building a TDD (Telecommunications Device for the Deaf) modem for
>my IBM PC.  I can't use the normal COM ports because TDD runs at 45.5
>baud, so I have to do it myself.

>From reading the PC newsgroups, a lot of people seem to be pulling out
>their old 16550 UART chips to put in the buffered 16550F version.

You want an 8250 or a 16450. The 16550 was a production glitch that the 
manufacturer did their level best to recall! That's why everybody
*really* wants 16550A chips (follow the A with various alphabet soup
to taste. :-)

BTW, if this is a *real* IBM PC, there are instructions available
for using the *cassette* port to drive an (included) circuit to do
TDD. 

And you can run the standard COM ports at 45.5 quite easily. You just 
have to load a "custom" value into the rate divisor register of the 
UART. A quick calculation shows that a value of 2532 will get 45.497...

And you are going to *have* to program right down to the hardware
anyway. The BIOS calls aren't going to help a lot.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
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From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.21DEC199215070128
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec21.174102.16911@nwnexus.WA.COM>,
 pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes...
>On the "I can drive in snow" thread - I heard a statement that I
>agree with.  Most of the people who say "I'm from BigSnowState
>and I know how to drive in Snow" usually are missing two crucial
>differences: wet snow and hills. And irregular snow falls.  That's 
>three. [Amoung the differences are ...]
> 
>With out the regualr snowfall there is less chance to practice.
>The wet snow makes for slick roads in a heartbeat, and the hills
>just tend to negate SOP for intersections (The snow and ice rules
>are that traffic up the hill has right of way unless you are sliding
>sideways down the hill.  Sliding down the hill backwards is still a
>2 point penalty.)

Yesterday I had a major ordeal with snow driving.  Being a New Englander, my
snow experience is in low hills and the like.  I made the mistake of trying to
drive Aufderheide Drive in Lane County (a.k.a. Willamette National Forest Road
19) with insufficient equipment, no food, no water, no chains, and a front
wheel drive subcompact.  I got back to Eugene at 11 this morning, after getting
my front wheels towed out of the shoulder by a passing pickup 25 miles north of
Oakridge.  Needless to say, I'm staying off that road for a while.  You think
about mortality quite a bit in those situations.
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:55:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvca.1992Dec28.185524.1101
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn) writes:
: Scott Linn writes:
: 
: >: On the other hand bicycling is one of the statistically most dangerous
: >: activities (right up there with snowmobiling).
: 
: 'Fraid not.  For adult cyclists, accidents and deaths per mile are about the

'Fraid I didn't say this.  Get your citations correct.

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: The Recession
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:20:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec23.002027.9978
Organization: UW Computing

It's now official.

The economic recession officially ended....


                   MARCH 1991!!!




The Center for Business Cycle (?), the official arbiter of economic
trends, has declared that the latest US recession ended in March 1991,
and we have been in a recovery ever since.

That recession turned out to be one of the shortest and shallowest
recession on record.  No one (until now) knew that it had ended because 
the recovery was less robust [sic] than previous recoveries.


GO FIGURE  ;^)
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