HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: JK BJP secy killed by suspected muslim militants
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:51:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Keywords: JK BJP leader shot

apnews reports:
	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ A leader of a Hindu fundamentalist party
was shot dead Saturday by suspected Muslim militants in possible
retaliation for the razing of a mosque by Hindus.
	   Santosh Thakur, the regional general-secretary of the Bharatiya
Janata Party, was killed by unidentified gunmen in Jammu-Kashmir
state, where Islamic guerrillas are fighting for independence from
mostly Hindu India.
	   After the shooting in Doda, 335 miles northwest of New Delhi, a
curfew was imposed on the town and troops were called in, United
News of India reported.
	   On Dec. 6, thousands of Hindu fanatics stormed a mosque in the
central Indian town of Ayodhya and leveled it, triggering a week of
nationwide Hindu-Muslim riots in which more than 1,200 people were
killed and 5,000 injured.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40746 rec.music.indian.classical:2214
From: durgam@berlioz.nsc.com (Jaisimha Durgam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Looking for a Veena
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:15:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara


	hi! A friend of mine is looking to buy a veena. Any suggestions
about where he can find one in the United States? Even a used one is okay
with him.  Please send all replies to "durgam@berlioz.nsc.com". 
Thanks 
Jai Durgam
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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:54:56 GMT

===========================================================================
 balaji@nexus.yorku.ca (Balaji) writes:

>>  Islam, Hinduism and the West...

>I don't think Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all that different.
>Such differences as are present are due to local or temporal natures
>and contexts of the doctrine. Islam is going through today  what
>Christianity went through in its comparable period 400-500 years ago.

This is a pernicious notion fostered by 19th century western ideas of
history-as-progress. The history of religions is not at all one of
steady progress toward liberalism. Consider this: a thousand years ago,
the christians, fundamentalists we would call them today, were burning
books and suppressing any alleged non-christian ideas by torture and
murder, if necessary. Several priceless works were lost in this period:
the 2nd volume of Aristotle's Poetics for instance. 
[...]

Those of you who believe in the RSS/VHP/BJP agenda that is supposedly
going to stoke the fires in Hindu bellies and reawaken the sleeping
giant that was ancient India: their ideology has a lot in common with
fascism and Khomeini's Islam, and nothing to do with ancient India at
all. And since the Ramayana is so dear to you, remember Kumbhakarna.
The sleeping giant you are waking is turning out to be a rakshasa.

Balaji
==============================================================================



An insightful view of history and current events. 


--Javed.
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From: rajat@sunny1.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor,P303,2124)
Subject: Re: MICROWAVE OVEN QUESTION/ for ms.farnham
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:39:02 GMT

From article <1992Dec12.033043.19990@engr.LaTech.edu>, by shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan):
> 
> 	It is not a good idea. It is a very dangerous idea.  any metal object inside a microwave oven will act as an antenna. The heat and power inside your oven will increase and the oven might explode. (close to).  any microwave oven will have a certain amount of leakage of microwaves, the level is deemed safe. But when a metal object is placed inside, the leakage can increase by a large amount. do not go close to the oven to look inside.  ( i  used to do it before i learnt about this, and Gosh!!! am I gl


Just to make a point:

The perforated screen on the door of MW oven is designed to block the
microwaves.  The wavelength is much larger than the perforation dia.

Rajat Kapoor
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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: GIFS of Madhuri Dixit on a.b.p.m.
Keywords: GIFS of Madhuri Dixit
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 05:09:36 GMT


In article <1731@rwja.umdnj.edu> gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal) writes:
>
>Sorry to change the subject a little, but I figured everyone would want
>to know that I just posted a picture of Madhuri Dixit on
>"alt.binaries.pictures.misc" Its an encoded GIF file in one piece.

I somehow missed this announce; luckily they were offered to me
directly to FTP site. Thanks.

Two images are now in nic.funet.fi(128.214.6.100):pub/culture/indian/pics/.

  -rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     358874 Dec 17 21:26 madhuri11.gif
  -rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      96870 Dec 17 21:26 madhuri31.gif

Second one have some problems in dark areas, but that's nothing bad.

WoW 8-)  More!


Juhana Kouhia
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India -PVNR Indignant About Pak's Attempts to Policitize Ayodhya issue
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:37:37 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec12.055636.22608@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar) writes:
>In article <fb78.724095101@sol> fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>

[...... deleted stuff....]

>>
>>>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
>>>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
>>                            ^^^^^^^^^
>>>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
>>
>>>Satya Prabhakar
>>

>>PORT OF THE PATRON-IN-CHIEF COUNTRY OF OIC FOR HAVING
>>AMONG THEIR PERSONAL POSESSION, A COPY OF THE GITA AND
>>A SMALL IMAGE (GANAPATHY) THAT THEY USED FOR PERSONAL
>>RELIGIOUS PURPOSES. WITHOUT EVEN A SEMBLANCE OF DECENCY,
>>THE BOOK WAS SNATCHED, TORN UP AND THROWN CONTEMPTUOUSLY
>>INTO THE WASTE PAPER BASKET. LIKEWISE, THE IMAGE WAS
>>SMASHED BY THE CUSTOMS OFFICER. GOD FORBID I EVER SET
>>FOOT ON SUCH HEAVENS OF "TOLERANCE". IT IS THESE HYPOCRITES
>
>Let me tell you one thing. These countries like Saudi Arabia etc do not
>portray an Islamic country at all. These kind of absurd laws that  they
>enforce are no way connected with the Islamic laws. Islam gives full
>right for the people to follow their own religion and whatever
>mode of worship it be.
>
>
>Zafar.
>
	Then, there is one thing that the Muslims
	of the world must do. They must totally
	condemn the ruling class of Saudi
	Arabia. They are completely misrepresenting
	Islamic principles and openly
	violating them. 

	The issue is that these rulers
	of Saudi Arabia are misusing
	the name of Islam to suppress
	other religions and harass people
	of non-Islamic persuasion.
	
	The (false) impression one gets is that
	these are the ways of Islam. Therefore,
	the Islamic people must remove this
	misunderstanding by condemning
	these dictators. Why isn't this 
	brought up in OIS conferences?

		----- Satwindar Singh Sadhal
			sadhal@alhena.usc.edu
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: This is for the "Secularists"
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:48:29 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

(The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>As for the mahatmas who abound on the net......please 
>think how it hurts if u are a true Indian when u see
>people loyal to Pakistan, chhering them openly, 

Well, let us just say that Leander Paes of India gets
to the US Open Tennis Finals and is slated to meet
Andre Agassi. There is no question as to who I shall
root for.

How about you?

If an Indian who has become an American citizen roots
for Paes, is that treason?

Satya Prabhakar
--
______________________________________________________________
My daughter has a pimple on her chin. She is unhappy.
I have a pimple on my chine. I am happy.
It is called perspective.			-Anon
From: srinivas@hooch.swdc.stratus.com (Srinivas Lingutla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Lufthansa flight to Bombay
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:32:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

Hi,

	If you or anyone you know is flying from San Francisco to Bombay
on Lufthansa on December 24 could you please let me know? My mother
will be travelling alone on Lufthansa and I would appreciate if anyone
could help her in changing the flights at Frankfurt.

Thanks in advance,
Srinivas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan)
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:53:41 GMT

In article <1gnt5eINN9r1@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Milind saraph writes:
>>Scriptures are not scientific theories in a modern sense.  Virendra
>>Varma assigns two meanings to scriptural verses: literal and 
>>psychological.  His attempt to use the tool of "psychological meaning"
>>to establish the consistency with the current scientific facts/theories
>>and then his assertion that Scriptures anticipated these thories and
>>were aware of these facts is at best silly.  This is similar to 
>>finding conservation laws in Bhagavad Gita 2-16 (What does not exist
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>cannot come into existence, and what exists cannot be destroyed) and
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>finding expanding universe and the Big bang theory in the
>>-- Milind Saraph
>
>	And guess what? Gita is dead wrong over here as far as Science goes.
>	Eg. photons can be created and destroyed. Now before Worma jumps
>	and says matter-energy conservation, let me tell him that even that
>	is not true. Matter-energy IS NOT CONSERVED. And Science gives a 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	reason why this should be so. Krishna was just ruminating like 
>	Aristotle.
>
>	FFT
>

Could you please explain exactly what kind of "science" you are referring
to?  Whatever it is, it sure isn't physics.  
-- 
Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
University of Toronto                    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 DEC 92 16:44:55    


In article <1992Dec11.223854.7645@news.clarkson.edu>, rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes...
>>> 
> 
> I`ve noticed certain beliefs amongst Hindus border on being outright 
> incredulous. One of them being the conviction that the events described
> in Ramayan or Mahabharat are factual to the word, and any suggestion
> to the contrary is unacceptable. 
> 
	Get a life somewhere in these United States. How the hell did
	you arrive at this conclusion that Mahabharat is not a reality?
	Do you know that descriptions of Mahabharat (such as Saraswati
	and Drawrika) are comming to be true based on excavations. How the
	hell a dying river of 1800 BC could be so talked about in 400 BC
	and Dwarika, a city before the flood (around 3200 BC) could be
	so eloquently described in Mahabharat.

	Take time-off reading western books, you WORMS. No wonder secularism
	is thriving in India because Indians can be fooled so easily. When
	they are born in India, their parents talk about sending him to the
	western colleges.

> Rajat Kapoor

-- Virendra
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From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Who's doing the killings...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:02:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1gatbvINNcl5@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>I talked to someone in Bombay last night and it seems that most 
>of the murders/looting/arson is taking place by not religious 
>fanatics but by jobless youths who have found this as a very 
>oppurtune moment for their crimes. They don't give a shit about
>masjid or Ram and will kill anyone who might have money on them.
>I bet there are some who are on a killing spree just for the fun
>of it (Yes! That's what the frustration of being jobless can do 
>to even a decent guy). 

Well, isn't that the case in all riots in India. It is always the jobless, the 
hoodlums and the lumpen element of society who do the killing. And it is always
"soft targets" that get killed. Any riot occurs for one simple reason - police
inaction; i.e. non-enforcement of law and order. Believe me, everybody knew
there were going to be riots. Riots are rarely spontaneous enough to be prevnted
- however the state of the law-enforcing agencies in India is SO PATHETIC that 
even after decades of riots, the only job the police do is a fire-brigade type
of job. On the other side of the coin, there must be an equal number of cases
where a riot was prevented/ it's effect sustantially diminished by prompt action
taken by law enforcing officers WHO HAVE A FEEL FOR THE PULSE of the area in
which they are operating (so as to be aware of trouble brewing) and the courage
and enterprise to TAKE ACTION PROMPTLY instead of WAITING FOR ORDERS FROM
ABOVE.
  Riots are purely a law and order problem and communalism is purely politically
motivated.

>
>Lets not scream revenge for each other. Lets not brand the acts of 
>passionate fools in India/pak/Bangladesh as the logical thing to do 
>just because they are in a majority. Religion is bullshit and must 
>be ignored (if not hated) for all the immeasurable suffering and 
>chaos it has caused.

I beg to differ. Each man's religion is his own affair - it is only when he 
takes it with him outside his house that trouble starts. Similarly, secularism
which should mean equal respect for all religions in principle and PROMOTION OF/
PANDERING TO  *NONE* in practice has never really been found expedient to follow
by any of our politicians.


Waiting for the day when the law is enforced, in the same measure for all
Indians,

Sudhama

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From: U54753@uicvm.uic.edu (Mohammed Ayazur Rahman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:54:51 GMT
 <1992Dec15.164102.45663@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Aye........wait a minute ..........dude!

this is scp not your Rao advisory media.....(:-

get lost.

Shaikh Ayaz
From: udumudi@ivy (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:37:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

bk == Balaji Kannan (bkannan@ho12.eng.ua.edu) wrote:

ks>It seems to me that the history of Hindu peoples as an actively tolerant
ks>culture is not sufficiently marvellous. They may certainly be regarded as

bk> Discrimination[Culture-prejudice] is innate to all societies. Hinduism 
bk> [Vedic] gave more 'rigor' to it and kind of formalized it :-) 'F.ism'
bk> ..

ks>frenzy as Muslims or Christians. There is nothing inherently tolerant about
ks>Hindu _citizens_. (Hindu _philosophy_ may be a different matter altogether).

bk>  True.[from a genetic viewpoint maybe:-). A gene for f.ism is yet to be
bk>  isolated :-)] But, religious affiliations temper the attitude of people and
bk>  I guess *Hindu philosophy* has had a role in this that cannot/shd not
bk>  be overlooked. You cannot talk of the two as separate entities. You
bk>  can only overlook religious/societal conditioning if you disbelieve
bk>  either.....

ks>As for conflict resolution, I am convinced that education emphasizing
ks>secularism at all levels grass-roots up, is the answer. If the RSS can instil
ks>discipline, brotherhood, belief in the Hindu cause etc, it's time the
ks>cause of secularism were ignited on a similar scale.

bk>  difficult task. People have to be made to believe that their *Government*
bk>  is truly secular in the first place [not with their appease-here-appease-


though balaji kannan was correct when he said hindu philosophy cannot 
be overlooked when talking about the lives of hindus, I think both
of you overlook the following facts:

-- hinduism believes there can be more than one way to realize God
-- christianity believes Jesus is the only way to Heaven, and the
   missionaries go about trying to convert people
-- muslims believe in monotheism and cannot tolerate idolatry
-- while hinduism respects other faiths, these two do not.

the reason why the kind of problems hinduism has with islam and
christianity have not cropped up with other faiths of India is 
this basic difference between those other faiths and islam and
christianity. Not to mention, of course, the other differences.

just wanted to point this out.
--
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From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: ...... Lets answer this ..... (was : Re: Personal Thoughts)
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:14:42 GMT

In article 00160910@ysub.ysu.edu, 00160910@ysub.ysu.edu () writes:
-+>Secondly, If I was promised that this is a case of just one mosque,
-+>and would never happen again, I would say O.K. no point in fighting
-+>over this mosque, there are plenty of other mosques we can pray in.
-+>But I have a feeling that this will happen again and again and Babri
-+>Masjid was merely a symptom of a trend that is raising its ugly head.
-+>Would somebody who has any authority give me assurances to the contrary?


What can be a `morally-satisfying response'....?


-+>I am sorry if this sounds like a sermon but I had to get it off my chest.
-+>May God give all of us the ability to think clearly.

I prefer god removing our ability to remember...  It will work better I guess...

-+>--Tariq A. Alvi.
-+> 


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)






Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40663 soc.culture.pakistan:18108
From: mazhar@cs.arizona.edu (Mazhar N Mohammed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:13:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian

> >the real purpose of religion. Let us take Sati for instance. The practice of
> >Sati in not one of the basic tenets of hinduism. It was started because the
> >Muslim invaders after winning a battle sexually assaulted the women of the
> >palace and made them their slaves. To preserve their honour the women started
> >practising Sati. When the britishers came and such acts of barbariasm became
> >rare it was again a hindu reformer, Raja Rahmohan Roy who asked that principles

One of King Pandu's wives, Madri committed sati (at least that's what the 
scripture says). Are you implying that the Muslims came before that ?? :)

Mazhar...
--

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: ONE NATION UNDER ONE LAW
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:22:04 GMT

ravi@cwis.unomaha.edu (Arunachalam Ravichandran) writes:


>Maybe this is a genuine problem. Because we have separate laws for some
>religions and not for others. Recall that one of the grievances of the
>Sikh community that the constitution treats them as hindus could
>be attributed to the fact that there is no separate personal law for Sikhs.
>A UCC could possibly have avoided that grievance (I hope)
>ravi
	

	I definitely feel that we should work towards a progressive
and uniform personal law code in India.  Hopefully it will include
the best features of the existing different personal laws of different
communities, plus the best from international and human rights law.

						Gauri.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Mandir-Masjid-Mandal and "Imagine" by John Lennon
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:43:27 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Dec9.023827.7515@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tolia@still.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia) writes:
>>"Imagine" by John Lennon
[...]
>>Imagine no possessions,
>>I wonder if you can,
>
>[...] there is something hypocritical about Lennon singing about
>no possesions from a multi million dollar house! :-)

Not really.  He didn't design the world he lived in (that is, the
present one, the capitalist world in which possessions matter).
Neither was he the only rich man around.

I think it is perfectly possible that he dreamed of a world in which
one wouldn't have to be rich in order to be treated with respect.  If
he lived in such a world, maybe he wouldn't be interested in
possessing a house such as the majority can't dream of.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
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