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From: root@bhole.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Cannabis Action Network Fall Tour 1992
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 92 13:03:17 EDT

Re: Cannabis Action Network Fall Tour 1992
By: muwas #0 @uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Lost Chord) USEnet      
 
What about the East Coast??

Mark 
VirtualNET AC (DE) 1@3020
dvss!bhole!root@udel.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: WoD: Frontline Report -- 2-Oct-92
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:17:08 GMT

Paul, since most places require petitioners to be registered to vote, the
kind of anarchists who are that hostile to the State won't be able to carry
petitions, thus making such laudable talks like the one you report somewhat
less successful than they could be otherwise.  It's a shame, eh?  Personally,
I think that Dennis was right on.  I could be called an anarchist, yet I'm
not ready to give up on reforming the system from within.  When I am, it'll
be to begin abolition, not to be fashionably leftist!


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: ibogaine
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:16:22 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I've read a number of descriptions of the ibogaine experience, from 
anthro sources, and from those who are using it as a counter-addiction 
treatment.

The experience is described as very intense, and not necessarily present. 
In smaller doses it seems to lead to hours of "life-review", in which 
your past behaviors are played out before your minds eye. This process 
tends to lead to radical decisions for life-change; by being shown your 
past behaviors in an inescapable, intense visionary sequence, a persons 
can get an emotional lever into their own psyche.

(This appaerently is combined with some sort of biophysical effect-- 
there were many reports of a comnplete cessation of craving for heroin, 
cocaine, alcohol, and even tobacco.)

The larger doses used in tribal initiations lead to an astral travel like 
experience, which sounds similar in ways to the effects of 
hyoscamine/scopalimine and ibotenic acid/muscarine/muscimol-- that is, 
rather delerious and out of control. Again, the anthro reports describe 
meetings with ancestors or people you have wronged, a reliving of the 
events of your past, and an initiatory experience in which old habits are 
thrown off and a new person emerges.

I've spoken with people who have used it for it's anti-addictive 
purposes, but never to anyone who has taken it in initiatory doses. It 
does not sound like a recreational compound, but it might be a very 
educational one, for pharmocological sorcerers.
From: v129nlgw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PAUL HOWARD)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: new drugs
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.171409.10238@merlin.hgc.edu>, bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer) writes...
>>>I beleive analogues act mean, some drug invented that has a
>>>similar compound to a drug already out lawed. 
>>
>>That's what "analogues" means, but if the wording was correctly 
>>quoted in a previous post on this thread, the act is far broader,
>>ridiculously so in fact.  One could apparently violate this act
>>by taking aspirin to get high.  
> 

Does this mean that drinking a bottle of Robitussin is illegal?

-Paul
From: derek@lynx.cs.wisc.edu (Derek Zahn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:01:26 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

> diethylamine.

Even if it is watched, couldn't this be made rather simply from
ammonia and ethyl bromide?
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Non-Drug Induced States
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu asks about non-drug induced states
for reasons of academic research. This may be of interest
to others, so I put my reply here:

You want to look at the writings of Stan Grof, especially recent
ones. Perhaps you should write to him as well. He used to
work with LSD, but left the US NIMH when the govt got scared
about LSD. He then tried to work out ways to get similar
therapeutic effects from other means that couldn't be made
illegal. His main technique is breath control. 

-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: JJACO02@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Jacoby, James Derek)
Subject: Re: Talking to Kids
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:54:49 GMT

 
  I certainly can't claim any great expertise in this area since I am a junior
in college and don't have any kids of my own yet. I've worked for several summe
rs as a camp counsellor, though, and have to deal somewhat with this problem. I
n my opinion any kid old enough to ask questions about drugs deserves to be tol
d enough honest information about them to satisfy his curiosity. Kids seem to g
et very conflicting information about drugs with thier peers telling them that
drugs are great and authority figures telling them that everyone who does drugs
 is a "bad" person. I think that most kids realize that the truth lies somewher
e in between these two extremes but are confused about which side lies closer t
o the truth.
  The approach that I have used in dealing with this is to tell the kid basical
ly what the physical dangers of drugs are, but to stress that the real danger i
s in becoming involved with a group of friends who are using drugs in such a wa
y as to be a detriment to thier schoolwork, family life, and other interests.
  There is a fine line here because while you don't want to seem to condemn the
kid's choice of friends too strongly you do want to make the kid see that the
actions that he takes are going to have consequences outside of his use of drug
s. I think that it is also important to suggest other activities in line with t
he child's interests that might be a more productive alternative than the use o
f drugs.
  Of course the details of what you say have to depend on what kind of question
s the kid is asking, but I think that straight, honest answers are always the b
est way of ensuring that kids make rational decisions regarding drugs.
 
--Derek
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Nitrous Oxide
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:12:09 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct6.094130.2233@u.washington.edu> ap.5288@cupid.sai.com writes:
>A while ago, someone said you could use Micronox fuel from Radio Shack.

I suggested using the torch they fit. But I also inhaled the two Micronox
cylibers that came with it. According to the instruction sheet Micronox is a 
brand name for nitrous oxide. Just don't inhale the butane.

>many balloons does one of these cartridges fill?  Thanks.

One average baloon per cartridge.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.135942.23068@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>I've seen the claim that N2O does not react chemically more than once on
>this network, yet nobody seems to be able to explain why it gives you a
>buzz.  This sounds a bit fishy to me.

That's because a Nobel Prize is waiting for the individual who
actually explains how and why anesthetic gases actually exert their
effects.  As has been mentioned, it's associated with their solubility
in cell membrane lipids.  This is a physical phenomenon, not directly a
chemical one.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: jfh@insect.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.privacy,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: WAR ON DRUGS
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:49:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Sep23.083447.1450@tc.cornell.edu> homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith) writes:

[deleted]

>     Such a social system could never rise above the level of its vilest
>member who no doubt would quickly bubble to the top of the hierarchy and
>become its president.

[deleted]

Could the vilest members = Stalin, Hitler, Mousilini (sp?), Chachesku 
(no idea on sp), etc.??

Hmmm....

Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Subject: Thomas Szasz: Our Right to Drugs
Keywords: rights drugs
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:32:12 GMT

   I would like to recommend a new book by Prof. Thomas Szasz,
"Our Right to Drugs: The Case for a Free Market".  It is not 
about drug experiences, but rather treats the entire subject
from a legal, historical, medical, and political point of view.
If this sounds boring, I can assure you this NOT a boring book.
Dr Szasz also takes exception to most prescription drug laws,
and argues that they are instrumental in the empowerment of
"the theraputic state".  It is published by Praeger, and should 
be orderable from any bookstore.
   I shan't attempt a review of it, since I'm not very good at 
that kind of stuff anyway, but instead, provide the following
brief quotations to give a taste of what the book is like:
   
   "Although [alcohol] Prohibition the law, was repealed, the idea 
of drug prohibition remained imprinted on the national consciousness
and henceforth found expression in the progressive criminalization
of self-medication"

   "Another consequence of our drug laws (less unintended perhaps)
has been that while it is no longer officially permissible to 
persecute blacks qua blacks, it is permissible to persecute
them qua drug law violators."

   "... while the line between legitimate and illegitimate drug 
prescribing and drug use may be unclear, there is nothing unclear
about what happens to people -- doctors and patients alike --
who cross it.  They are shot down by the border guards ..."

   "The phrase 'right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness',
once a vibrantly defiant proclamation, has become meaningless cant,
a kind of semantic mummy -- the carefully preserved corpse of what
only yesterday was a courageous Man."

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: AAT@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (Gus Trautweiler)
Subject: N2O (i.e.Kidde whippets)
Organization: University of Massachusetts
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:55:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

:Q 
:Q Well, I've had experiencd with N2O. The body reacts with the gas over a 
:Q period of time. I buy a 24 pack of cartridges (sp?) about every three or 
:Q four months. That's about all I can handle. After that, it isn't as good 
:Q a zip.
:Q NorthMan/\/\
:Q 
:Q --
:Q Bryan Clouse (bbs.northman@tsoft.sf-bay.org)

I don't recomend the use of a whipitizer. They are designed for whip cream
not humane consumption.  Check out the metal shwag at the bottom of the 
canister after a case or two.  Not too healthy.  Use only medical grade,
it's worth the wait and much safer.  Remember N2O blocks O2 reception so
a strap on mask should never be used.   The Dentist uses N2O in conjunction
with O2 to keep you just out of conciousness.  The N2O buzz is caused by
lack of O2 in the brain so remember, have fun AND safety first! 

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From: norstar@tnl.com (Daniel Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: TNL PHARMID MAILSERVER DEBUGGING
Summary: problem solved, so far...:@)
Keywords: pharmaceutical, identification, pharmid, tnl, mailserv
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:09:10 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights, Troy NY


I found the source of the bug so I hopefully don't need copies of
PHARMID search requests. I am new to mailservers, and have written
my own here. It was rejecting headers of the kind
	From: Firstname Lastname <user@mach.ine>
Anyway, it should send things out now.

As for the PHARMID service, remember that it only searches for drugs
that match IMPRINTS YOU SUPPLY, not give you drug info for DRUG/BRAND
names you supply, unless that is also a tablet/capsule imprint. For that
you need to login to tnl as 'pharmid'. It would be too complex to include
all database functions for the mail server.

I'll soon get to work adding more drugs to the database. Most of the
non-CSA drugs are still yet to be added. Today I just added a bunch
of anabolic steroids (which are now C-III controlled substances, of
course).

-- norstar
The Northern Lights, Troy NY                                 |      Login as
tnl dialins: 518 237-2163 @ 300-2400 bps 8N1 $free         ` | /    pharmid
------------------------------------------------------   --- * ---  (no pw)
UUCP: uunet!uupsi3!tnl!norstar                             / | .    for drugID
Internet: norstar@tnl.com                                    |      database
From: derek@lynx.cs.wisc.edu (Derek Zahn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:06:58 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

I wrote:

>>Even if it is watched, couldn't [diethylamine] be made rather simply from
>>ammonia and ethyl bromide?

Howard Black replied:

>    No.  Any first-semester organic chemistry student should be able to
>tell you why.

Well, I'm no chemist, but this singularly gruff and uninformative reply
motivated me to go the library and page through organic chem texts.
A typical result:

    Hofmann (1849) discovered that alkyl groups can be introduced directly
    into ammonia by interaction with an alkyl halide and subsequent treatment
    with alkali.  The reaction is general but is subject to the disadvantage
    that higher substitution inevitably occurs.
    ...
    Thus the method of alkylation is practicable for preparation of pure
    products only where an adequate method of separation is available.
    Mono-, di-, and triethylamine are prepared industrially by this method
    because the boiling points are separated sufficiently to permit
    fractionation of the mixture.
  
Now, perhaps you meant that I omitted the (trivial) treatment with alkali,
or perhaps first year organic chem students know that this kind of
fractionation is intractable when compared to the rest of the synthesis
steps of frowned-upon psychadelic substances.  Doesn't look that bad
to me.  The boiling points appear to be rather different...

At any rate, perhaps there are other syntheses that make diethylamine
produceable as part of an overall synthesis procedure...

Because I am not a chemist and am interested in these issues only in
a vague theoretical sense, please point out where I've gone astray
so that I don't confuse others.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Smoking ephedrine?
Keywords: Ephedrine smoking
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Oct 92 00:16:35 GMT

>In article <kaz.717797783@vincent1.iastate.edu> kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet) writes:
>>I have these spiffy little 25 mg ephedrine tablets, and was wondering if 
>>crushing them and smoking them would be effective and safe.  Thanks!

Well, using the standard paradigm for cocaine HCl, smoking ephedrine HCl would 
probably be a waste (not much since you can by 25 gm for about $20).  However,
by the same token (ahem!), you can apply the same free basing techniques to 
the ephedrine salt that you would to cocaine.  I have never tried this, mind 
you, but in principle it should work.  It would probably be great for asthma:-).

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From: ch_hayhurst@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: rosewood seeds
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:04:36 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

I would like to know if there is anyone out there who has heard of being able
to extract LSD out of something called baby hawaiien(sp?) rosewood seeds.
Is this just an urban legend or what?
If there is actually a way to do it, could someone please E-mail me or post the
procedure?

thanks in advance and flames are accepted if I had asked a stupid Q.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cbsmith@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Smith)
Subject: Cocaine
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:42:56 GMT

---------
Hi there, could someone post me this newsgroups FAQ or answer me this question about cocaine:

I have a friend who has used cocaine twice, and both times reported *no effect*
despite taking "resonable" quantities. Now, first of all I'm wondering if this
is realistic, or if it was maybe just cheap cocaine. Secondly, I'm curious about
the *real* consequences of cocaine use. Just how dangerous is it? What ill effects can one expect? I've heard everything to relatively harmless until you are addicted to deadly to brain damage do to dedrite problems, and frankly I don't know what to believe.

--Chris
From: mcbeeb@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BSD?
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:14:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <eD31RB2w165w@west.darkside.com> guru@west.darkside.com (Guru) writes:
>Ok.. all you tripadeliacs, can someone (anyone) tell me about a drug that 
>was popular about 25 years ago that was called something like BSD or 
>something like that... anyway, supposedly (from the rumor mill) I hear 
>that it was a drug, taken like GelAcid that produced similar effects, 
>although only for a Twenty Minute duration...
>
>I would be very interested in learning about whaddever this substance is 
>(if it is indeed real) and possibly trying some (although no doubt it is 
>long illegal).  Can Anyone help?

Yeah, it's still around, though not as popular as a similar drug called
USL.  Check out the newsgroup comp.unix.bsd.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:45:46 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) writes:

> Just curious....  I know that during the ninteenth century, ether was
> used in much the recreational way alcohol is now.  Why did that become
> a tidbit from the past?  Did too many people euthanize themselves?

Perhaps it's not as desireable... because it makes you stink like ether 
for days.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: BSD?
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Oct5.025430.9692@nntp.hut.fi>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:05:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.025430.9692@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

   >>Yeah, it's still around, though not as popular as a similar drug called
   >>USL.  Check out the newsgroup comp.unix.bsd.

   >Actually, USL is the name of the company which manufactures the drug
   >which is called SysV (goes also by street names SVR4, SVR3 and the like).

   >USL is trying to criminalize BSD, though - and if SysV is more
   >popular, it's just because of big money and marketing.  As you might
   >guess, SysV is very harmful to health and can even cause harm to the
   >brain and is often associated with aggression, while BSD will just
   >make you happy and willing to share with others.

   >//Jyrki

Well, USL is actually basing their arguements (or lack thereof) on the
analogues act, since BSD itself isn't yet illegal.  I've used BSD for
years, with no harmful effects.  But I hear you can get dain bramaged
from SysV!  For more information, read UVIHKAL (Unix Variants I Have
Known And Loved).


-Alan
From: vxuser@snowbird.LABS.TEK.COM (vxworks boot)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:21:53 GMT

In article <cavasin.718068139@muse> cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin) writes:
>
>p.s. someone's post implied that attaching a hose to the tank and sucking the
>N2O through the hose was an acceptable way to do it.  This is hilarious.
>The shit is under ENORMOUS pressure; without a regulator it would explode your
>fuckin lungs, plus it's WAY cold; you'll get frost on a hose 1 ft away from
>the tank.  use balloons.

Well many years ago I used to hang out with a number of deviants who were
known to abuse nitrous from time to time.  They got 4 or 5 foot tall tanks
of medical grade nitrous on a weekly basis.  We (oops! THEY) used to hook
a 4 foot long piece of surgical tubing to the valve (no hose clamps of
any kind were used, the tubing was simply stretched over the valve threads,
this is a very important point).  They then took hits off the tubing by
opening the valve a very small amount.

They went through about ten tanks this way.  No one ever exploded or froze
a lung.  If the valve was opened too far the tubing simply blew off the
valve.  The gas was somewhat cold, but not freezing by the time it came
out of the tube.  A raw throat from the dryness of the gas was the only
damage ever done.

The use of a tube that was simply held in the mouth provided a simple
safety mechanism -- when the user passed out the tube fell out of their
mouth.  There was always someone there to catch the tube and turn off
the valve (who cares about the passed out person -- gimme some more
nitrous!!!).

From my observations of heavy nitrous users (no siree I never did any
honest ;-)):

1. nitrous is very psychologically addicting - it was very hard to stop
while there was still gas in the tank and people got very anxious to
have more.

2. direct use from the tank produced unconciousness and convulsions
(the fish dance as we used to call it) which went away within about
30 seconds after stopping the intake of nitrous.

3. there is no warning of impending unconsciousness and no memory of
any physical actions while unconscious (the convulsions).

4. the main non-physical effects were an extreme sense of well-being
(with occasional laughing attacks), a distorted time sense, and
while unconscious, an interesting dream state that often included
a feeling of floating up near the ceiling.

5. extreme concentration on maintaining consciousness would allow the
user to continue nitrous intake long beyond the usual limit before
unconsciousness would actually set in.

6. the most common injury involved hitting ones head on the tank or
other hard object when passing out -- thus the guideline that the user
always be reclining on a bed or other soft object.


The use described above is not for the amateur.  It does however
describe a nitrous high that is not available through whippets or
the use of balloons (or garbage bags which is what we made the
newbies use).  We always had experienced users on hand to control
the use and keep the user from getting injured.


-- nitro burner
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