From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Observations
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:39:20 GMT

In article <16ujc6INNm80@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.210947.26366@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>How can you call a pregnancy that occured as a direct result of the 
>>animal desires of a man and a woman "forced pregnancy".  When will YOU 
>>understand that YOU must take responsibility for YOUR actions.  If you 
>>are not willing or able to take a pregnancy to term then maybe you should 
>>not be having sex.  
>
>Mike, let me guess.
>You are a *young* man, right?  Probably not a man with a long standing
>relationship, and probably not with 4 kids already, right?  
>
>MAYBE I'm crazy, but I'd be willing to bet a little cash on this.

  Well, you just lost a significant amount of cash. 

>See, I'm not a young man with no long standing relationship and no kids.
> 
>I happen to be a 40 year old woman (well, almost), with two quite healthy
>children, thank you, and an adult relationship with the father of these 
>two kids.
>
>I also happen to be a very responsible person, with not only car and home-
>owners insurance, but medical, dental, disability, term and whole life as
>well as an umbrella policy in case one of the eucalyptus trees falls down
>on somebody.  I happen to believe that we work for what we have, that we
>take responsibility for our actions, that we should drive carefully, have
>our eyes checked, and save for the college education of our children.
>
>4 years ago, about, while using *two* (*count 'em*) TWO birth control
>methods, I became pregnant.
>
>Now, I *dare* you to state in front of this audience that I was not 
>'taking responsibility' for my actions by seriously considering the impact
>a third child would have on my existing family, and my ability to provide
>for that existing family, and deciding on an abortion.

  You may have been taking responsible precautions to prevent a pregnancy.
  But did you really consider the possibility of a failure beforehand?

>And I also dare you to state in front of this audience, or any other for
>that matter, that a healthy adult woman in a serious long term relationship
>with the father of her children should be just telling that fellow "no,
>no more sex, bub, at least not until menopause"  (and even THEN you can
>have an oddly-fired egg or two!).

  Since you both seem to agree that no more children is in your best 
  interests, what about sterilization?  The possibility of conceiving 
  after that are magnitudes less than any form of contraception.  This 
  argument is not meant for couples planning families, but then if you 
  are planning to have a family, why would you choose an abortion?  
  Because is isn't convenient at this time?  There's a hell of a reason
  to kill a potential human life.
 
>Life didn't begin yesterday for most of us and it doesn't end tomorrow.
>
>Think beyond those limited horizons.
>
>Adrienne Regard
>

  On the subject of celibacy between married couples.  Why is it that 
  we seem to think marriage is something less without sex?