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From: zeiglea@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Anthony Zeigler)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Unique Character Class Abilities?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:00:44 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <w93t71h@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
>
>  Do you all think that each character class should have ONE UNIQUE ability, in
>addition to the standard adjustments to stats?  
>>Some comments deleted to save space<<
> Well, enough griping.  On to the suggested class abilities:
>
> Mage:  Only this class can detect if an item is magical, or see a magical item
>from a distance.
>
> Priest:  Only this class can (A) Remove a curse, and (B) Detect if an item is
>cursed.
>
> Warrior:  Can detect monsters within a certain radius, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS IN
>THE WAY (my justification is that warriors live to fight, and fight to survive,
>so they WILL learn to 'sense' monsters a distance away).
>
> Rogue:  Gets "first strike advantage"  Thieves always fight to kill in the first
>blow, since they can NOT go hand-to-hand for a long time.  So, I say, give them
>a bonus (level-dependant) to their ability to get Excellent, Superb, and Great
>hits.
>
> Ranger:  Has ability to get a 'pet' like in Nethack (where the pet follows the
>guy around and can fight for him sometimes but also gets in the way and eats food
>).
>
> Paladin:  Naturally cures poison within self at 2x normal rate, as well as only
>taking 1/2 damage from poison gases (e.g. AMHD).  Can sense evil creatures as for
>a Warrior.
>
> Also, let's make it IMPOSSIBLE for certain classes to EVER use some types of
>weapons, armor, items.  I'd say this could be done with 1 byte extra---a type
>byte saying what kind it is (and then each class has a list of types not
>permitted).
>
> I mean, really, do you see a mage as wearing Ribbed Plate Mail (28) armor???
>
>
> What say you all?
>
It sounds like you have some damn good suggestions with just one problem...
The ranger ability would be EXTREMELY hard to manage... Perhaps another 
suggestion for them? (perhaps give one of them the ability to see undead at 
a certain distance like ghosts?) You could give this to the paladin while 
giving the paladins poison resistance to the ranger??? The sensing of 
invisible creatures could be from thier holy mix with the fighter class 
although this would weaken the fighters ability unless it only worked when
the invisible creatures were within sight or just sense the invisible creatures.

What do you think of this???
Ziggy
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: 890232a@aucs.acadiau.ca (Steve Astels)
Subject: Re: Missile "Weapons" in Moria
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:49:23 GMT

>I find missile weapons in Moria to be useless at best.  It 
>takes so many shots to kill even the smallest of monsters 
>that the time is much better expended using a magical item 
>or engaging in melee in the hopes of killing a dangerous 
>creature (idem est Vampires, Dragons, Yellow worms, etc.) 
>with the first blow.  Has anyone found value in bows, 
>slings, and crossbows?  I am currently playing IIGS Moria 
>version 4.8.3.

I'm just a 10th level priest, and have found that before I got any
useful prayers at all it was VERY nice to be able to soften up some 
of the more nasty monsters with arrows from my bow before I went in
for the final kill.  In fact, there were some monsters that could
drain stats that I would routinely kill this way.  At present I am
starting to get some good prayers, find wands, etc, so I imagine
that soon I will retire my trusty bow, but I will always remember that
at one time it was VERY important to me...


--

       Stephen Astels               "I am the lizard king,                
                                     I can do anything..."               
   890232a@aucs.AcadiaU.ca                         - Jim Morrison     
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
Subject: Re: Getting LOTS of exp?
Summary: Use the Rotting Quylthulg trick.
Keywords: POSSIBLE SPOILER, experience, monsters, `Woof!'
Organization: Glassboro State College
Disclaimer: Brandy the WonderDog thinks this needs fixing, too.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:10:10 GMT


Wendell Gee asks:
>Anyways, I'm just wondering if anyone has suggestions on how to rack up 
>the points real fast.  I tried cloning Iggy's and that worked ok ontil
>my clone monster wand blew up...

My wife discovered something she calls the Rotting Quylthulg trick, which is
where you find a room with a RQ in it, and then you go into the hallway and
make a post.  Then you sit at the door of the room until the RQ summons an
undead, and lead the undead out into the hallway and polish him off.

Emperor Liches are worth about 10K points, and are pretty wimpy, so you can
pile up experience like crazy as long as the RQ stays alive.  The reason you
can't do this with a regular Quylthulg is that they sometimes summon AMHDs,
which aren't worth much more than ELs and which are the only really dangerous
critters in the mines.

This is similar to a Rogue trick which I often use, but which I won't go into
here.

As with other shortcuts that make Moria too simple, I've cooked up a way to
improve the game and remove the bug: Spirit Dragons, who breath to disenchant.
The RQT works because there aren't any really dangerous undead creatures, so
the way to fix it is to add one.  I think that a monster who can disenchant
from a distance will probably dissuade most people from sticking around RQs
for very long.


kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu      Darren F. Provine      ...njin!gboro!kilroy
"Wow, hundreds or thousands of dollars to ask about Moria.  Cool."
                                                          -- Alan Morgan
From: GAMEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (GAMEL ANTON)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Do traps affect Monster, Bashing
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:33:41 GMT
Organization: University of Ulm, FRG
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Hello All!

Two short questions:

1. I made an experience that made me wondering.
   A "K"  ran in a gas trap and "seemed" to be confused.
   Now, can traps really affect monsters and whom of them.
   Or was it a coincidence? That could be interesting when
   you are "dancing" with a monster with same speed you could
   easily direct it into traps. That would be tricky especially for
   low level characters.

2. Some monster (F,w) are more vulnerable on bashing. Yet I got no
   rule. Can someone help me?

Thanks in advance
If possible please reply directly to <GAMEL@DULRUU51.bitnet>
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
:            Anton J. Gamel              : <GAMEL@DULRUU51.bitnet>            :
:        Halfing Mage 27. level +        : <GAMEL@RZMAIN.RZ.UNI-ULM.DE>       :
: -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  : <GAMEL@PATVCL.RZ.UNI-ULM.DE>       :
:    Die on VMS and start at Level 0     : <GAMEL@RZ.UNI-ULM.DBP.DE>          :
:    Now I got a Priest at level 27!     : <GAMEL@INFORMATIK.UNI-FREIBURG.DE> :
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From: geck@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (William Ross Geck)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Macintosh version 5.4???
Keywords: Mac
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:17:58 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <jverreau.702758674@sol.UVic.CA> jverreau@sol.UVic.CA (John Verreault) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there know where a compiled version of 5.4 for the Mac can be 
>had?  I don't have ready access to a C compiler for the Mac so the source
>code is all but useless to me.  Thanks in advance.
>
>John Verreault
>University of Victoria

Ftp to kukulcan.berkeley.edu (login anonymous) and grab the files:

um54-1.readme
um54-1.sea.hqx

from the pub/wilson/incoming directory.  If you want the source for this
version, you will need the file um54-1.tar.Z ( see um54-1.readme for 
details ).

W. Ross Geck
geck@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu
From: slip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doolie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Aaaarrrggghhh!
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:27:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Good luck finding that book... my mage didn't get Magic II until 21st level.
-- 
* Gordon Emore	          *   <Place .signature here>       *
* slip@sage.cc.purdue.edu *   < Or maybe not >              *
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: petitc@nuge112.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: The Slay Undead Sword
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:51:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.022342.15647@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David 'Mishael' Green) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr10.130136.16859@yang.earlham.edu> joeo@yang.earlham.edu writes:
|> ->My 33 level priest recently found a 2 handed sword with the designation SU 
|> ->on it.  I understand this to be "slay undead".  What does the slay undead 
|> ->do to the undead that I hit with it.
|> 
|> A Slay Undead sword will do the following things:
|> 
|> (a) in versions 5.1.5 and later, it grants you the ability to see invisible
|>     creatures when you wield it.
|> 
|> (b) when you hit an undead monster with it, it does 3x damage.
|> -- 

  You're a 33rd level Priest and you WANT to go hand-to-hand?!?  :&O

  Do what I do:

  Use Orbs of Draining like mad, and

  Before going to battle with a tough monster, cast lotsa Glyphs.
  Those are DARNED HANDY!! :&)

  Was fighting this King Lich.  Cast down 4 Glyphs, ran over them, and killed
him with Orbs.  Do any other priests out there do this a lot?

-- 
Sleep and become rested.  Within the pleasant confines of slumber, you too can
voyage to worlds unknown.  Become a valiant knight rescuing a damsel.  Become
a mass murdrer.  Be whatever your heart desires.  All within the confines of
sleep.  And all for $19.95.  Call now   -- quote from Night Riders



Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Subject: Re: Umoria 5.5 posted to kukulcan.berkeley.edu
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:07:20 GMT

mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt) writes:
: pjharris@galluk writes:
: 
: >Geez, read the date in the header.......ring a bell???
: 
: 
: >Patrick
: >PJH
: 
: 	Pat, I thank you!

I figured out that it was an April Fool's joke _after_ I had sent that
message off, but I still think the comments in the other thread were a
little ridiculous, and my comments could apply to the "I hate haggling"
thread just as easily. Besides, the joke wasn't very funny.

later days!
--dt

--
Dennis E. Thomas, Vagrant	   |    Amherst _still_ hasn't figured out 
dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu 	   |     what do do with me, how could I 
roach@aux1.amherst.edu		   |    possibly presume to speak for them?
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"Don't read that. It will only make you mad."  --Craig Garnett
From: pamiri@uci.edu (Peter Amiri)
Subject: Info for a very beginer
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Organization: UCI - Office of Academic Affairs
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:51:00 GMT

I am new to this group and am concidering taking lessons. My wife and I are
going on a western carribian cruise in August and afew of the ports I hear are
very good diving locations. Well here are my questions.

How much does it usually cost to become licenced? 
What is involved? 
would it be cheeper to take lessons on the cruise? 
Are there different types of certifications that I need to be aware of?

I could really use any information that I can get. Thank you. 

Peter Amiri
University of California, Irvine
Office of Academic Affairs
pamiri@uci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: kent@shelley.u.washington.edu (kent shih)
Subject: PADI/Specialty Dives
Reply-To: kent@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:11:34 GMT

     How can I find out places where they teach specialty diver courses
     offered by PADI?  I checked all over my area but to no avail.  Do
     I have to call up PADI and ask them where to take those courses?

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: m16532@mwunix (Steven Bayer)
Subject: Re: *****SCUBA DIVING IN BELIZE ******
Organization: Mitre Corporation, Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:07:05 GMT

I dove Belize last year and loved it.  The diving around Ambergris was
good, not great; not as good as Cozumel (the place I'm most familiar
with).  Probably the best thing about diving near Ambergris was the 
boat ride out over the breakers each day.  Once, as we were heading
out, we lost our engines just as we went over the crest of the first
breaker we hit.  Quite an interesting few moments while the captain tried
to get them started while avoiding turning the boat over.  The trip
back inside the reef was always more pleasant as were 'surfed' with
the breakers. 

But...the diving at the atolls was faulous, the best diving 
I've done.  If at all possible, get out there.  The walls of black
coral should not be missed.  The Blue Hole however was a disspointment
for most of the people I was with.  I wasn't feeling great so I just
snorkeled around its edge and I believe I had a better time than the
other 15 who made the dive.  Not much to see down there at 125' but
some giant stalactites.  I believe the pristine fans and sponges I
saw were much more interesting.  One of my buddies said he saw a reef
shark of some type near the top of the blue hole, but nobody else did.
In the twenty-odd dives we did that trip, we saw only one other shark
[my first! O-)] and that was a nurse shark about 8-10'.  

Have fun.  Try the pineapple drink at Elvis and the food at the 
Chinese restaraunt (believe it or not!).

Steve Bayer

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rodney@magritte.ipl.rpi.edu (Rodney Peck II)
Subject: Re: lightning and diving
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:09:03 GMT

In article <CARL.92Apr1203453@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
>>The surface is the problem.  If you're on it, that aluminum, or worse
>>yet, steel cylinder on your back makes an absolutely wonderful
>>lightning rod.  Given the choice between hitting the water or a better
>>conductor at a higher altitude(even if it is only a few inches),
>>namely, you, the lightning will hit you every time.  Since the average
>>diver can't predict
>
>I just couldn't let this one stand.  You cannot predict with absolute
>certainty that lighting will hit a slightly better conductor at a
>slightly higher altitude, in fact, in many cases, the better conductor
>is missed altogether.

I agree -- lightning is extremely powerful and the rules of thumb simply
don't apply to predicting it.  

A friend of mine tells a story about the time when he was 13 and went to the
Montreal Science Museum (or similar) -- they had the big Faraday cage and
lightning demonstration.  The lecturer asked if anyone knew why it was 
safe to be inside a car during a storm.  My friend (being a know-it-all 13
year old at the time) yells out "insulation from the tires!".  Without missing
a beat, the lecturer replied -"Right.  The arc just went through two miles
of air, and three inches of wet rubber is going to stop it."

The correct answer is that the car acts as a Faraday cage, effectively
eliminating the effects of the lighting inside the cage.  That's how those
wacky science guys could sit in the cage reading their notebooks while the
electricity arced aparently all around them.

I would say that it would be _extremely_ foolish to take the word of someone
on the net as being an expert in this area since the net is prone to
wild exaggeration and instant experts.

This isn't directed at any particular person except maybe someone who's now
planning to take a trip to a storm to go diving since it's cool and "safe".

That said, it does sound like a great experience if you manage to survive.
Rodney
From: glb0270@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: eyeglasses or contacts
Keywords: contact lenses
Date: 3 Apr 92 20:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: glb0270@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau)
Organization: Sperry Marine, Inc.


I have worn contact lenses in the past for diving but during my last dive
trip an event occurred which made me resolve to buy a mask with prescription
lenses instead.

I was having a good dive in warm water with high visibility at 30-40 feet.
I was swimming around and noticed some vivid green stuff floating around
the bottom of my mask.  At first I thought, what the hell is that green
stuff?  As soon as I posed the question I realized that it was blood but
the red light had been filtered out so that it appeared red.  I wasn't
concerned, I had had a nose bleed earlier (non diving related).  Because
I didn't want green glop all in my mask and inside on the glass I had to
clear it.  Unnacountably my contact lens fell out during the process.  I
could see it swimming around in the green blood/water at the bottom of
my mask.  Since I didn't want to lose the lens I had to finish the
dive without getting rid of the blood/water.  This was early on in the
dive and it was a great site, I could still see well enough, so I kept
on with the dive.  By the time the dive was over, a fair amount of water
was sloshing around in my mask (we have a picture of me, unfortunatly the
flash made the blood red for the picture, it would have looked better in
green).  This was less than pleasant.

This wan't that bad, but the next day on a night dive my lens felt like it
was coming out again.  We were 30 minutes into the dive, and I didn't want
to lose my lens (finding it in the dark would have been a joy)  so I signaled
my buddy to go back, which we did.  My contact didn't end up coming out but I
guess it had made me worried about losing a contact.  So my buddy and I
lost out on some diving for nothing.

These were ideal diving situations with no stress, etc.  Just having the
extra worry about losing a lens might change the situation from annoying
to dangerous if additional factors were involved.  I don't know why I was
having more trouble than usual with the lenses but it just wasn't worth it.

I resolved to get a prescription mask.  Compared to the cost of travel/etc,
the cost of the mask is low.  Right now I am leaning towards masks with
the replacable prescription lenses as my prescription isn't complex and
I like a low volume mask.


Guy
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jondo@ucscb.ucsc.edu (60293000)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Request for info on fatality in Monterey on Saturday
Keywords: fatality, Monterey
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:38:42 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


     A non-diver friend of mine says that he saw something on the news
Saturday night about a diver fatality in Monterey.  He says the guy
got thrown on to some rocks by the surf.  I was diving in Monterey that
day and can attest to the heavy surf. Does anyone here know if, where, and
how this accident happened?  

       Thanks,
                 Dan
From: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: C-card #'s in .sig's
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Organization: MasPar Distributor AG, Zurich, Switzerland

In article <1992Apr7.040221.14386@scifi.uucp> njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>
>NAUI Instructor numbers are five digit numbers, and assigned
>consecutively.  I'm a recent crossover.  Numbers with six digits in
>them must be non-instructors.
>

The first guy said that any number without letters was an instructor,
among some other possible combinations.  Now you say instructor numbers
are consecutively assigned five digit numbers.  

Oh well, I have to dig out my c-card again...  Opps, I see that my
instructors number was 5983.  Now I see why I don't know anything,
the guy on the other end of the line had the wrong number.  :-) :-)

Now really, is there any significance to these numbers?  Or are you
guys just making this up as you go along?

Bruno
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gordon@meiko.com (Gordon Henderson)
Subject: Info please!
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:43:35 GMT

Bmoogle!

A bunch of us may be going (from the UK) to Florida, later on this year to do
some diving, (2 of them want to get married underwater too!) Anyone have any
details of nice dive sites and dive shops who can hire gear (we'll probably
take everything except tank and weights) and perhaps orginize dives or
talk to us about dive sites.

We've also heard of an underwater hotel. Anyone got info on that? (For the
newly-weds, of course (-: )

Package deals from the UK seem horrendously expensive and the general idea
was that we would get a cheap flight over, then try to arrange accomodation,
dives, etc. when we got there.

Any advice/addresses, etc. would be most appreciated! (pref. e-mail)

	Gordon Henderson
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Scuba Lessons in Peekskill, NY
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:01:42 GMT

In article <930452@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>Okay Nick, you probably knew this was coming from me :-)
>
>This post is, without exception, a pure and simple advertisement for
>your services as an instructor. There is nothing inherently bad about
>advertising, however it was my understanding that this type of
>advertising was taboo on rec.scuba lest the newsgroup get buried in the
>noise of instructor advertisements.
>
>As an instructor I'd like very much to make a similar advertisement. I
>too am looking for students. And, as Nick, I believe that I offer an
>exceptional program, as well as having the freedom of being an
>independent instructor like Nick.
>

Excuse me, I think you just tooted your own horn, Dave!!! :-)


>However, there is substantial competition from other instructors in my
>area here, many of them participating in this forum. If I make such a
>posting, will many of them be motivated to as well? And then, how far
>does the discussion go?
>
>At this point I will refrain from making such an appeal, and ask that
>rec.scuba readers post their thoughts on this. We need to discuss this
>issue and come to a consensus. I personally would prefer that rec.scuba
>remain a high information content forum, but in this dog eat dog world,
>I'm as interested as the next person in using what tools are available
>to fill my class roster.
>
>Dave Waller
>YMCA Instructor


IMNSHO I think we should keep the "I AM THE INSTRUCTOR FOR YOU!!!" noise
to a nonexistent level. You and Nick provide some great info, Dave. But I
really think its in the best interest of us all to keep ads to equipment.
I realize how hard it is to keep one's business in the black these days.
But...there should be some limits. Your ad could be limited to a small
geographic area. 


-- 
Dan Kell                    All opinions are just like yours, mine stink too.
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Diving and Lyme disease
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:54:10 GMT

In article <930450@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill) writes:

>> (Not quite a) Dr. Waller or DAN?  You be the judge.

>I'd take DAN any day.

>Jon, this appears to be an inflammatory swipe at me; is that the way
>you intended it? 

Gee Dave, I read that as a compliment.  You've almost made it to Dr. level,
and without all that silly medical school stuff!!! :-)

And you rate to be compared with DAN!!!  (As if someone would even ask the
question for most of us!! :-))

Relax,
Do a dive,
Absorb some Nitrogen,
Life is good,
(Well, not BAD anyway....)


-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
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