From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:37:49 GMT

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In article <5811@news.duke.edu>  (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:

>   Two, the Miami - FSU game should not have come down to a field goal.  The
>   all ACC officiating crew called a very one sided game in FSU's favor. 
>   Even from the beginning kick-off I could of sworn that an FSU player 
>   clipped a Miami defender which resulted in the touchdown return.  The foul
>   was not called.

Dennis Erickson showed 3 clips, and one judgement clip for the kick-off.
Also, one clip on the 48 yard punt return.   Those two plays cost 10 points.

>   As the announcers
>  pointed out, if the offense makes an illegal forward pass in the inzone,
>  the other team has the option of accepting the penalty, or declining it,
>   and taking the result of the forward pass which would mean a touchdown
>   for the Canes.  The canes were not given a choice. 

|From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
|The defense has the choice of accepting the penalty, thus getting the saftey,
|or not accepting the penalty thus getting the incomplete pass.  Thats the
|choice.  The announcers are idiots who are generally incapable of
|interpreting the rule book.  The Canes never were entitled to a choice of
|taking a touchdown.  The *choice* comes in because an offensive penalty in
|the endzone (why do you continue to call it inzone?) gives the offended team
|the choice of taking the safety or not. 

Keith Jackson is no idiots.   Interpreting the rules one needs a book, not
just stating a opinion.   But, the defense doesn't have the choice.  The
choice goes to the offended team, in this case Miami.

NCAA Rule Book ( Rule 7c in the section on snapping and passing the ball)

Rule 7C " IF ANY ILLEGAL PASS IS THROWN FROM THE END ZONE,  THE OFFENDED
TEAM MAY ACCEPT A SAFETY OR DECLINE THE PENALTY AND ACCEPT THE RESULT OF
THE PLAY."


" THE PLAY " could be interpreted several ways,  but it's not black and 
white.   Someone pulling for FSU could see it as a illegal pass, Miami
fans could see it as a TD.  There is the letter of the rule and the
intent of the rule.  Miami is not as much as upset about that one play,
as the whole day.  FSU has three guys hit the Canes kicker no penalty,
Miami has a guy that could have MAYBE glazed the kicker toe and its
roughing the kicker.  The same goes for sideline tackles.  Late hits
on the QB.  Control and possession of a pass.  Miami has lost one NC
in 1988 due to poor calls.


|You are insufferable whining in victory.  How bad is it going to get when
|your team loses?

Real bad, let's all hope Miami never does lose.  ;-)

The Miami Hurricanes are use to everyone hating them.  They even
like it,  but all we want is for the game to be officiated fairly. 
Why is this SPORT administer by Referees that are hired, promoted
and paid by a conference.  Some Referee could feel a obligation to the
conferences that pays him.  No, I am not sure that is what happen in
this game.  This thread is not a attack on FSU, but that game was not
officiated fairly.

No-Calls, when you see FSU has 13 men on the field ( Miami quick snap).
Or, you see Bobby Bowden run onto the field to the 20 yard line ( center
field ) to argue his point.  Last time I had a coach step on the field
during a game, we got hit with a 5 yard obstruction penalty.
Bowden ran 60 yards onto the field.  BTW, he's not very fast.

This is a multi-billion dollar industry.  Why can't the Ref's get paid
by the NCAA, and not the conference.   Maybe the player are just getting
to fast for the old referees.  Ten years ago didn't they add the third
referee to basket ball, because two guys just couldn't cover the court.


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