HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: ...photograph alternatives...
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:00:54 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Originator: mma9872@csseq


	...does anyone know of any non-gelatin based photograph 
alternatives?..i have to put together a lot of press kits which should
contain 8x10 b&w photographs...i am at a loss about what to do...
		 -----------		...matthew m. agee...
					mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176))
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism and war
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.141839.3778@gw.wmich.edu> 491miley@gw.wmich.edu (Tim Miley) writes:

[...]

>Let me ask you a question, Rich.  Why shouldn't animals be liberated?

	I'll be happy to discuss this with you, but since this IS r.f.v. and
	NOT t.p.a., I'll only do it through e-mail.  If you're still
	interested, use the address below...do NOT use "r" or "R" from
	your newsreader!!!

-Rich (young@serum.kodak.com)

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:46:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr8.124928.1383@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>>
>Also, you need to distinguish between the "beef industry" and
>the "dairy industry."  They are not one in the same.  You may
>still come to the same conclusion, but be careful about
>your reading and thinking on this one.

So what do Ben and Jerry's do with the all the calves?  

Most of the beef in the UK comes as a by-product of the dairy industry, but 
this miight not be the same in the states, I guess...

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From: abyingto@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (Angela Byington)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg.d (was Re: This newsgroup)
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:59:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: hp-vcd.2430009
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Vancouver, WA, USA

/ hp-vcd:rec.food.veg / deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes) /  8:33 pm  Apr  2, 1992 /
aem@paris.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg) writes:

>> I've never met an omnivore who would not eat meatless recipes.
>> To suggest that is insulting to those who haven't yet attained a
>> vegetarian lifestyle.
>
>prime example of why I said what I said above. He will eat dishes without
>>meat in them as long as they're not called "vegetarian" and as long as 
>>they are not cooked by someone who calls themselves a "vegetarian". He 
>>will not come to dinner at my house, apparently, because he does not want 
>>to eat a "vegetarian" meal, yet his wife tells me they don't eat meat 
>>every night. Now, I admit my brother is a little wierd in this regard, 
>>but I think there are more meat-eaters who would not choose to read this 
>>newsgroup, for example, than there are those who would.

I have also run into this situation, and unfortunately I think it's
more common than we realize.  My ex-boyfriend did the same thing.
We would be diving into some amazing pasta or something, and I would
make the mistake of mentioning that the meal was vegetarian.  He
would immediately lose his appetite and go for a burger.  Not very
rational behavior, considering how much he had been enjoying the
food.  The point is that a great many people aren't very rational
about the "unknown."  

I don't know if mixing the recipe groups will solve the problem.
I DO know that I quit reading the non-veg group because I didn't
get enough out of it for the time I put into it.  ROI, you know?

Just my .02,

-Angela
abyingto@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com
	"Individually we can make a difference.
	 Collectively we can change the world."
From: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, University of Miami
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.miami.edu

In <1992Apr8.022525.5891@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Kamchatka Charlie writes:

>     You say most meateaters aren't interested in "TRUE VEGETARIAN" recipies.  
>I say "Why not try them (us) out?
>     Why not post the recipies listed here in rec.food.recipies?  Think of
>it--that newsgroup ends up becoming bigger and more useful; the meateaters who
>want to reduce their meateating will be able to try out new recipies, and JUST
>MAYBE you'll find this place more hopping because MORE PEOPLE WILL FIND IT
>FITTING.

Plus as I've mentioned before, rec.food.recipes is archived, and has
several times better propagation than rec.food.veg, and 3x as many
readers.

aem
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rhuls@ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: "I'm not eating any of that VEGETARIAN food!!!"
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:50:16 GMT

In article <blah blah blah> (someone) writes:
>>>                                         ...He will eat dishes without
>>>meat in them as long as they're not called "vegetarian" and as long as 
>>>they are not cooked by someone who calls themselves a "vegetarian". He 
>>>will not come to dinner at my house, apparently, because he does not want 
>>>to eat a "vegetarian" meal, yet his wife tells me they don't eat meat 
>>>every night. Now, I admit my brother is a little wierd in this regard...
>
>I have also run into this situation, and unfortunately I think it's
>more common than we realize.  My ex-boyfriend did the same thing.
>We would be diving into some amazing pasta or something, and I would
>make the mistake of mentioning that the meal was vegetarian.  He
>would immediately lose his appetite and go for a burger.  Not very
>rational behavior, considering how much he had been enjoying the food.

I got this crap from my sister as well.  The first time I came home from
college as a veggie, I thought I'd make veg. lasagne (mostly to have something
to eat).  My sister made a big deal out of huffing out of the house, and
buying frozen lasagne WITH BEEF!!!  Unfortunately, my sister did this because
of how she felt about ME rather than the "vegetarian" label.

While I will avoid using foods that someone hates when making dinner for
that someone, I will not put flesh in what I cook any more that I will put
mushrooms in what I cook because I don't eat either one...in other words, I
will not cook what I will not eat.

My philosophy of dealing with such people can be found in alt.recovery :-)

Just my .02,
Robbin
From: shankar_k@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: VEGAN: Pasta and chick peas
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:04:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility

Here's another quick concotion of mine (is there any other for a grad student -
*sigh*):

Hot Pasta with Chickpeas:  (serves 2)

1 small can chick peas or 1 cup fresh cooked chick peas
2 cups cooked pasta (a short, stubby kind, pick your favorite)
1/2 cup chopped red or green bell peppers
1/2 cup chopped onion
1/2 cup chopped carrot
1 cup chopped broccoli and/or cauliflower
1/2 tblsp dried basil
1/2 tblsp oregano
lots of black pepper
1/2 tsp garlic powder
1/4 cup chopped scallions 


Cook pasta in lots of boiling water.  While it is cooking, drain chick peas and
set aside.  Cook chopped vegetables with herbs in a little oil or margarine or
what have  you (steam them, even) until onions are clear and vegetables are
the way you like them.  Drain pasta thoroughly, dump in veggies and chick
peas.  Add scallions.  Serve with pizza pepper (red pepper flakes), grated
parmesan for the lactos, and more black pepper.

Kalpana
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: RECIPE: (LACTO-VEG) Saturn Stew
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:32:58 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr16.193940.1009@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> murty@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY  Hema Sandhyarani) writes:
>
>	Where do you get Vegetarian Cheese?
>
Sorry I'm not up to date on US supermarkets. Maybe the health food
shops stock it. When I was in Oregon the local supermarket had
vegetarian cheese, though unfortunately it wasn't a nationwide
chain.

>	On a related note, I have been looking for ricotta cheese
>	at most supermarkets and can't seem to find it.  Is it
>	only available in health food stores?
>
Gee, I would have though you could get Ricotta almost anywhere.


-- 
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Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Request: Vegan Cake Frosting
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:51:10 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

In article <92108.000541IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>*blink*  *blink*  *blink*  huh?  aren't MOST frostings vegan?
>i mean, margarine, confectioner's suger, water...  that's vegan,
>isn't it?  you can get vegan frosting recipes from any standard
>cookbook!

     Er, no...not unless you're using soy margarine. Almost any
margarine you buy at the grocery store will have milk products
(ususally whey) in in.

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From: cnorman@weber.ucsd.edu (Cyndi Norman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:05:42 GMT
Organization: U.C.S.D. Department of Communication
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Apr7.144911.7380@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:

>All day long at work I dream about the evening meal and wrapping things up in 
>flour tortillas.  Currently, it's refried beans and rice, plus tomatoes, 
>lettuce, hot pepper sauce etc.
>
>My question is:  would someone post other types of foods and can be wrapped up
>in flour tortillas?

Most of these suggestions are vegan, a couple are ovo--take your pick:

Peanut butter (warm in microwave or eq)
Hummus
Guacamole (with or without the beans)
Use to eat fried eggs with
Scrambled eggs (I like them very runny--cook a long time over very very low
	heat and they will be runny *and* cooked all the way through--stir
	a lot)
Anything stew or spread like
Anything you could conceive of putting on bread

[Of course, the yummyest tortilla filling of all is jack cheese (or a
mixture) put into a tortilla which is then folded in half then nuked
(microwaved) or fried in a pan.  This is a quesadilla.  It's wonderful, but
now that I'm allergic to cheese I won't even mention it, okay?]

In most of the Latin American countries that use tortillas (many don't),
tortillas are used like bread.  Use them to pick up (tear off chunks of
tortilla) food off the plate or as a side dish (in American terms).

Don't limit yourself to what you think Mexican food should be like; there
are plenty of alternatives (including non-Mexican Latin American foods that
use tortillas).

BTW, the best and fastest way to heat a tortilla is to put it directly on
the burner of a gas stove and cook on each side for about 10 seconds
(enough for tortillas that start at room temp, keep flipping for
refridgerated ones).  Size of flame?  As hot as you can without burning
your fingers as you flip bare-handed.  Or as hot as you can without burning
the tortillas (it takes a bit of practice--try a 1/2 flame).  Note: this
can be done on an electic stove but monitor very carefully for burning.
Second and third best ways (you choose order): heat in microwave or in
toaster oven.

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something wrong with the universe." (ST:TNG)         cnorman@ucsd (bitnet)
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From: 491miley@gw.wmich.edu (Tim Miley)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegetarianism and war
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:38:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: gw.1992Apr6.233844.3719
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr4.160028.18283@ssd.kodak.com>, young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176)) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.172519.3688@gw.wmich.edu> 491miley@gw.wmich.edu writes:
.
.
.
>>Try putting yourself in our shoes.  We animal liberators live in a barbaric
>>society where animals are tortured for vanity, subjected to hellish lives,
>>eaten, and abused for amusement or to satisfy an urge to kill, as well as
>>having to put up with the same inept national leadership (or lack thereof)
>>which has turned our school to war zones, killed our children, etc, that the
>>rest of America tolerate.  Can you blame us when we see eating animals as just
>>more violence that adds to society's depravity?
> 
>    There are no shades of grey in your world, are there?  Only black and
>    white; you're on my side or you're not.  Can I blame you for feeling
>    shock and helplessness at the violence which surrounds us?  No.  Can I
>    blame you for drawing simplistic conclusions and proposing simplistic
>    solutions which alienate the very segments of society from which you need
>    cooperation to become an effective force?  Yes.

I do recognize shades of grey.  Let me show some examples.

It is essentially wrong to eat factory-farmed animals, like milk-fed veal
calves which spent most of their lives in crates, IMO.

It is somewhat wrong to eat family farmed animals that were free ranged. 
However, if a person cannot convert to vegetarianism, then this is the way I
point them to.

I do recognize shades of grey in everything around me.  This medium, however,
may not have allowed you to see that aspect of me completely.  It is quite
cumbersome.

> 
>    As a side note, I believe this may well have progressed beyond the bounds
>    of r.f.v. at this point.  We should either terminate it or cross-post to
>    some other forum.  Inept national leadership and violence in schools have
>    little to do with vegetarianism, IMHO.
> 

I saw it written somewhere:
"If you wish to know why there are disasters of wars and armies in the world,
come listen to the piteous cries from the slaughterhouse at midnight."

Also, from Isaac Bashevis Singer:
"I think that everything connected with vegetarianism is of the highest
importance, because there will never be any peace in the world so long as we
eat animals."

Tim

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* or                         * will contains directions for my funeral, which
* X91MILEY@GW.WMICH.EDU      * will be followed not by mourning coaches, but by
* Tim Miley                  * oxen, sheep, flocks of poultry, and a small
* Western Michigan University* traveling aquarium of live fish, all wearing
* Kalamazoo, Michigan        * white scarves in honor of the man who perished
****************************** rather than eat his fellow-creatures..."- GBS
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mcdermot@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: Beef minus the cow
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:18:29 GMT

amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>>I think it could be great.  By the way, has Fresh Start (The
>>non-dairy-breakfast-drink-in-a-regular-milk-carton?) made it to your
>>shelves yet?  I haven't seen it at the local safeway here in Portland,
>>but I had some in Arizona.  It's basically soy milk marketed for
>>lactose intolerant people.

>Are there advantages for using soy milk in cooking?  Lower fat?  ??

Of course there is!  There isn't a cow imprisoned at a dairy farm fed
hormones, or surplus male calves given over to veal producers.  Soy
milk is a good non animal source of "milk".

At times it can be lower fat (also try rice dream, which is made from
brown rice, and has lower fat and no soy aftertaste).

Tara
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when I see it, and THAT's what you're holding."   - Dead Milkmen

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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: National Cancer Society
Date: 5 Apr 92 02:06:52 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <0dqbre600WAxI1FkEv@andrew.cmu.edu> dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade) writes:
>
 >The National Cancer Society has finally (it seems) begun to get their
 >act together.
 >
 >As reported in the Pittsburgh Press (3/30), the National Cancer Society
 >will "focus major resources on preventing cancer through dietary
 >modifications."  About time.
 >
 >The first two  major studies are going to measure the fiber/breast
 >cancer connection and the fiber/colon cancer connection.  While these
 >are fine, I hope that the National Cancer Society decides to do less
 >obvious studies, for instance the meat/cancer, animal fat/cancer, and
 >animal protein/cancer connections.  If they did this, they could
 >recommend specifically that Americans cut down their animal products
 >intake sharply or eliminate it altogether.  Vegan diets could finally be
 >promoted as the extremelly healthy diets that they are.
>
I know (because I'm part of it) that there's at least one national (national =
United States) study under way right now on diet and breast cancer in women
under 40 - Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center is conducting it out here in
the west and there are 2 other facilities, one in the mid-west and one in the
east that are also participating.  In various cancer treatment facilites 
around town I have seen pamphlets on what to eat to reduce various cancer
risks - at least one was published by the American Cancer Society.
As the link between nutrition and cancer has been known for some time, I'm
surprised it took the National Cancer Institute this long to declare its
'redirection' (unless it actually happened a while back and the media is 
only now picking up on it).  One thing that we are continually amused by 
in my cancer support group) is that the press is forever publishing stories
about 'new breakthrough in cancer treatment/prevention' - and so far every 
'breakthrough' is several years old and already well known by those in the 
medical profession and those undergoing treatment.
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From: mike@isg.llnl.gov (Michael E. Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Corn Tortillas   [freshly made in Oakland, Ca]
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:25:12 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Laboratory  Livermore, CA

In article [...] glarson@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Greg Larson) writes:
>I occasionally like making enchiladas, and prefer the larger-sized tortillas.
>I also think I like the corn ones better than whole wheat.  The problem
>is, here in Minnesota I can't seem to find corn tortillas in the larger
>size.  Is this just a local thing, or is there some reason why manufacturers
>are reluctant to make big corn tortillas?

Several places in the San Francisco bay area make hand-made, fresh tortillas.
But of the ones I know of, only one makes BIG corn tortillas.   That's
"Lamexicana Restaurant  3930 E. 14th  Oakland, Ca  (510)533-8818
They're real good (you get 'em hot, fresh off the press), but the negative is
that it's located right in the heart of the Uzi testing range section of 
Murder City.

Why are big ones rare?  I don't know.  I guess it's just the equipment they
buy.

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:35:38 GMT
 <1992Apr10.100104.24643@rtf.bt.co.uk>
 <1992Apr10.165655.25438@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Apr10.202326.6159@rtf.bt.co.uk>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Apr10.202326.6159@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael
Traub) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr10.165655.25438@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.100104.24643@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael
>Traub) writes...
>>>
>>>>     I hope that in your next life you're born as an Eskimo in Siberia.  If
>>>>then you can keep your vegetarian lifestyle intact, THEN you can be
>intolerant
>>>>of everyone else.  ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+)
>>>>
>>>As a devout practising atheist I know there will be no next life to worry
>>>about, and eskimos have shorter than average lifespans due to their high
>>>meat intake so it wouldn't be much of a life anyway.
>>
>>Traub -- spout off if you wish, but you know absolutely nothing
>>about the life span of eskimos, let alone WHY it would be shorter.
>>I don't suppose living in a hostile environment where nature rules
>>rather than humankind has anything to do with it?
>>
>This coming from the queen of the teapots.
>
>>Traub -- get some work done, will ya?
>>
>Mind your own business.
>
>>me (and I'm about ready to go on hiatus again; this newsgroup
>>    seems to have started its inevitable dissent into the pits
>>    of fanaticism and lack of reason)
>
>Good to see you leaving (again).
>
>There Carol, I can act as chilldishly stupid and ignorant as you,
>got any other naff games you want to play?
>
>
>--
>Michael Traub
>BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
But that was just the point.... you CAN be childish and arrogant
or is that ignorant??? That is what is turning veg and non-veg's
away from this newsgroup.  Read todays mail.  One of your own
is ready to drop because nobody says anything right on this
line.  I have never seen anyone try to convert any of you to
anything.  Yet you are ever so defensive and down right nasty.
I was just talking to a friend of mine about just that, last
night.  It is just a shame.  I read to get recipes and information
not be lamblasted at the slightest provocation.
Go ahead and flame me, I will not read your mail.
I am tired of being told that I am an idiot, uneducated,
heathen, just because I don't hold with EVERYTHING you say.
I don't care what you eat, so lighten up, AYE?