From: bicker@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (The Resource, Poet-Magician of Quality)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Selfishness?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: Brian.C.Kohn@att.com (The Resource, Poet-Magician of Quality)
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Nov5.165704.16538@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
>In article <oexkq9e00WBOE6YsVY@andrew.cmu.edu> Alison Rebecca Colman <ac10+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I have often heard the claim by pro-lifers that women who obtain
>>abortions do it for purely selfish reasons;...
>The pro-life movement likes to bandy about selfishness and convenience
>when talking about women getting abortions.  I believe it is the pro-life
>movement that is much more guilty of selfishness than these women.
>The pro-life movement wants to see an end to abortion, but they do not
>want to do the difficult task of removing the need for it.  That 
>would require too much work and giving of themselves.  It is much
>easier and convenient for them to use force of law to accomplish
>what they want.  That is the method that requires the minimal 
>personal sacrifice to accomplish their goal.  

I have always felt this way.  There is so much enegry wasted on trying
to legislate away a situation that has existed for centuries and won't
go away even if made illegal.  I'm a quality consultant.  I teach
people to seek for the root cause of problems and fix that, rather than
to continually fix the problem when it occurs.  Wouldn't it be more
noble (not to mention effective) to expend all that energy on making
abortion unecessary rather than making it difficult to obtain and
dangerous? 

>If they want to save
>fetus's, there are many ways to accomplish that goal with out 
>using force.

I don't like looking at it this way.  The point here shouldn't be to
bring as many babies into the world as possible.  We've already been
fruitful and multiplied...we've exponated!  It's no longer necessary to
increase the size of the human herd.

I think the goal is to reduce abortions.  Peeling away the first layer
of the onion (that's quality consultant talk), it is clear that the
cause of abortions is unwanted pregnancy.  So now, let's work on
reducing that.  We can go deeper...what are the causes of unwanted
pregnancy?  Well, inaccessible or defective birth control is a major
cause.  

It is so illogical for the same people who want to reduce abortions to
work to reduce the accessiblilty of birth control.  They're hurting
their own cause!

>Pro-choice women in this forum have stated for the
>right price, there is a very good chance they would  continue
>a pregnancy.  But rather than pro-lifers paying that price, 
>they want to use governmental force to save the fetus.  Hard to 
>see this as anything but selfishness.

I'm new here...I can't believe this...there is actually a consensus
among pro-choice women here that money would overrule their decision to
have an abortion???  This is NOT the case among the women I know.

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