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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The result of watching "dcs.glasgow.mid-morning.express porno" movie. 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:56:51 GMT


In article <10046@jthome.uucp> dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler) writes:

>I have heard some talk about Multu changing his name on this group, can
>anybody fill me in on what's going on?. I'm kind of in the dark about this
>whole thing!. By the way, can anybody fill me in on what is REALLY going on

That is the result of watching "dcs.glasgow" "mid-morning express porno" 
movie too much.

Source: Jorge Blanco Villalta, 'Ataturk,' TKK, Ankara, 1979, pg. 234.
     
"They [Armenians] did not refrain from giving in to their racial 
 hatred and committing acts of cruelty and massacres against the
 Moslem population, which were encouraged by the 'Tashnak' party,
 mortal enemies of Turkey."


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Hakan can can can cannot understand
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:29:48 GMT

Hakan "I can't understand" writes something about a survey and its
numbers not adding up, thus choosing to riducule the newspaper/article
it appeared (in his words, the Turkish National Enquirer, TURKIYE).

I have a couple of problems with your approach, Hakan...

First off, the first thing you do is you ridicule the source by
calling it the national enquirer of Turkiye. Not that I have a problem
with the Nat'l Enquirer per se (Perot & The Aliens were Cool) but
from an objective point of view, instead of discussing the issue
(could it be possible that 90% of Turks Hate Greeks (Gawd Forbid)), 
you chose to ridicule the source and that sucks big time.

Second off, in your campaign, you also try to ridicule Michael
because the numbers he quoted dpn't add up to 100. I hate to
dig up the wife's Sampling Methodology textbooks, but many a time 
the survey does not add up to 100, or even exceeds 100. With no
knowledge of how the survey was done there's little idea whether
the 2% missing is missing because Michael missed it, the news
paper missed it, etc.

Third, I have a problem with your article in a "deeper", 
philosophical way. You come to the ridicule of the paper
TURKIYE really quickly... Where were you when Mutlu/Argic/
The Boyz From The Great Lakes/ etc did wonders for your
country's image? I saw no articles of yours proclaiming
Mutlu et. al. as an entity that should NOT be taken seriously.
But now, ONE article from a newspaper and off you go...

Anyhow. I have no coment on the figures Michael posted. Interesting
to see that 90% of Turks (according to ONE Turkish survey) still
reference Armenia as Armenia, unlike Mutlu et al (X-Soviet Armenia).
Interesting to see such a high affection to countries like
Pakistan... Tearfully (if there is such a word) reminds me of 
Papandreou's idiotic comparisons of Greece to, Say, Yugoslavia,
Libya, and other "Third" countries... 

Spiros
(not really at Ohio-State, but it beats Berkeley)
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
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From: x90civelek@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Fener bu hafta maglup...
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:55:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Arkadaslarimdan aldigim bilgiye gore Fener bu hafta Sariyer'e yenilmis...(0-1)

Daha fazla bilgi alirsam E-Mail'e yolliyacagim...

Canturk Civelek

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Re: FROM TRNWS
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 04:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.205639.24162@news.yale.edu> ()Jennifer A. Pursell writes:
>Thank you so much for these articles.  Highly informative and interesting.
>
>Jennifer

Your welcome. Unfortunatly we are not able to post all of our news to
SCT anymore. The gate we used (sct@cs.stanford.edu) seems to be down.

I asked the SCT readers to find an alternative, but nobody responded!
If you or anyone else would like to get all our news (some are in Turkish)
they can subscribe to our distribution list by sending an e-mail to:
      listserv@uscvm.bitnet

The e-mail should consist of the following line:
      subscribe trknws-l yourname yourlastname

listserv software automatically picks up your e-mail address...

AToprak
trknws-l owner

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: TICHAUER and his "de.junk".
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:48:21 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <moVqqB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

> In case mr. Mutlu doesn't stop it, I'll send him back ALL THE NEWS I GET
> FROM HIM as mails and I'll propose this idea to all the readers of the above 
> mentioned newsgroups. You can think out how much junk  <michigan.com>  and

Nobody ever pinned you down quite like that before?

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer 
        No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
        (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)

"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
 leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
 they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
 after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
 of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
 Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
 being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
 barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ode to the "kacik".
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.031139.16172@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

>In article <9209031904.AA18441@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
>"talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>>Hasan B. Mutlu,
>>For showing us the light,
>>you got naught but grief;
>>your precious pearls of wisdom
>>so insightful, yet so brief!
>>
>>Hasan B Mutlu,
>>return to us we pray!
>>Let your cheerful disposition
>>cast some sunshine out our way.

Unfortunately, what the vineyard needs is hard work, not prayers.

>	Thank you for this brilliant, touching and inspiring piece of
>poetry. 

Empty words will not fill an empty stomach.

A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri 
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to 
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military 
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the 
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been 
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten 
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed 
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian 
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the
Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City 
hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant 
were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to 
condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its 
sovereignty.

(Report from Karabakpress of Azerbaijan in Baku)

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
Subject: Re: "sipa, sipa"... Why are you doing this?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:00:10 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <18p4cjINNslg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>Ooooh. 'Mr. Mutlu.' I am AWED. Like, Wow, Dude. Raaaadical. Far Out.

But I still fail to see how you can challenge the following scholarly
source?

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and 
        the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

  page 16 (last paragraph):

 <<This intolerance and persecution was even worse in the East Roman
   Empire, founded in AD 330, when Emperor Constantine dedicated the old
   town of Byzantum as the site for his new capital and gave it his name,
   Constantinople. Imperial edicts starting with those of Emperor Arcadius
   in 395 and continuing until the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople
   in 1453, subjected Byzantine Jewry to over a millenium of oppression
   and persecution. Thousands of Jews who had flooded into Asia Minor
   following their exile from the Holy Land and their descendants were
   forcibly converted, murdered, or driven out as a result of sporadic
   purges.>>

  page 24:

  <<Jews were similarly persecuted on a large scale in Serbia and the
   other Balkan states in the two centuries before they were conquered
   by the Turks. In Crete, the Jews comprised a middle class between
   the mass of Greeks and the feudal nobles, acting as bankers, artisans,
   lawyers and physicians, with the right to maintain their own community
   organization. They were treated as serfs, however, forced to live in a
   ghetto (Ciudecca), and to affix a special Jewish badge to the fronts of
   their houses as well as on their clothing. After the island came under
   Venetian rule in 1204, local Greeks continued to harass,  persecute,
   and attack their Jewish neighbors, particularly because of Jewish
   support for the periodic Muslim efforts to conquer the island. (...)
   During the Venetian war with the Ottomans in 1538, the Jews were
   subjected to extortions to finance the military operations, and a rumor
   that the jews of Crete were helping the Ottomans led local Greeks
   to massacre all the Jews they could find. Giacomo Foscari (1574-77)
   introduced harsh anti-Jewish laws intended to force them to convert or
   to live in isolated parts of the island.>>

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: Herbert violating US Constitution.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:47:55 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <192rs9INNa4o@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:

>Without commenting on the opinions expressed above, I can verify that
>mail sent to anatolia!zuma will indeed bounce and land in Cosar's lap.
>Since it apparently is an invalid link, it's unfair to drag Mr. Cosar's

You have already demonstrated ample willingness to put your foot where
your mouth is. Sheer abuse, and not relevant to the current discussion.
Anyway, altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians served in various units in the
German Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. Berkian. 14,000 in predominantly 
Armenian army units, 6,000 in German army units, 8,000 in various working 
units and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1]

A number of these Nazi Armenians were volunteers from France,
Greece, Rumania and Bulgaria who had chosen to commit
themselves to the German war effort. Derounian says that

"Dashnag Armenians from France bore the mark 'Legion 
 Armenienne.'"[2]

That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher' and Nezhdeh sided
with the Germans probably had an impact on the decision of
Armenians who overwhelmingly opted for armed service.

[1] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 118/119.     
[2] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), in 'The Armenian 
    Displaced Persons,' ibid., p. 19.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Lets stop illegal posts of "porno.dcs.glasgow.ac.uk".
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:50:53
Followup-To: alt.flame


In article <Bu1wqx.HKv@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>>This ugly, shuffling "Mid-Morning ruin" could dance. I mean, it had the moves.

>Poor..very poor indeed...and bizarre too!!

"Morning the crook" has caught a human being. And the pressing 
question is, of course: Where is it going and what will it do when 
it gets there? In any event, there were many Russian Armenians among 
the leaders and members of the Hunchak Revolutionary Party.[1] The 
Hunchak Revolutionary Party declared that its goal was to "free the 
Turkish Armenia" and Part IV of its political program makes clear the 
methods to be used for this purpose:

The only way of achieving our immediate goal is to start a revolution,
that is, using force to upset all order in the Turkish Armenia, forcing
the people to start a war against the Turkish Government with a general
revolution.

The means of these activities are:

1. Propaganda: using the press, publications and oral means to spread the
   revolutionary ideas of Hunchak in the millet, and especially among the
   workers, establishing a revolutionary organization among them, and
   organizing revolutionary regiments.

2. Terror: using terror as punishment against Turkish administrators, secret
   agents, informers, and traitors. Terror must be a means and a weapon for
   protecting the revolutionary organization.

3. Raider regiments organization: military units kept ready to fight against...
   government forces. These regiments can serve as vanguard regiments during 
   general revolutions.

4. General revolutionary organization: comprises several regular groups all of
   which are attached to each other to form a unity and a harmonious whole,
   all of which use the same tactics to advance in the same general and 
   common direction, and all of which are administered and directed by a
   central committee.

5. Revolutionary regiments organization.

6. The declaration of a war by any state against Turkey should be considered
   as the most opportune time for the general revolution, for the immediate 
   goal. 

[1] L. Nalbandian, "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The Development
    of Armenian Political Parties through the Nineteenth Century," 
    (Los Angeles, 1963), pp. 105-118.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Wieneramus the x-Soviet Jew" is back: further exposing a racist.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:59:21 GMT


In article <715809514@juliet.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>      Why, of course, Hakan!!  They weren't supposed to survive
>      the Genocide, were they?

Vola. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at 
the hands of the Armenians. The genocide involved not only the killing 
of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian Armenia. 
They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of Ottoman 
Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines genocide 
as acting with a 'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial 
part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.' History shows that 
the Armenian dictatorship intended to eradicate the Muslim population. 
2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the Armenians. 
International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including Admiral 
Bristol - denounced the Armenian dictatorship's policy as a massacre of 
the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of the Armenian 
dictatorship at the time personally involved in the extermination of the 
Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor those who died 
during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians. 

The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,
beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people
during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy
was clearly the extermination of all Turks in Armenian dictatorship
territories.

The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and
their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.
The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and
perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the Dashnaks and Hunchaks.

The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were
Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,
Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.

Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in 
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly 
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The least nationalistic nation
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:55:09 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Sep9.181643.8704@cco.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:

>I can't think of an American film showing the type of Russian man that
>I have come to know.

Hmm, has anyone seen "Back in the USSR", the (relatively) new Natalya Negoda
movie? Aside from the name, it is actually quite decent.

Please no flames (this is to Fellini otakus :-)

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From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:57:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep5.045732.15387
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <188uo2INNa4s@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.072905.3284@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>>It would be best if the EXSU army concentrated more on moscito
>>killing. I agree.

>Don't you know, that what they are doing in Baltics. :)

>> What help can Danemark offer for the Great Russia? Tuborg?Legos?

>That's just some Russian history, never mind. First Russian rulers
>were Varjags (Vikings), so Russian military was born by you Scandinavs,
>and you have courage to complain :).

>>>Yury.

Well, not only Finnish schools are bad :)
They were Norvegians, not Danish...

Misha
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Master and Margaret and other books
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:31:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <9209092320.AA10877@feds66.Prime.COM> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>
>You should have read one, for a change.
>(BTW, did you read OT you so gladly referring to?)

I did, and I second whatever Andrei said. I think he red, too, though.
Would for change explain my what was so good about Avel, for example.
One of mine Jewish ascuantancies tried, but it sounded like it was good,
because it was good, because it is in Bible.

>
>How do you know Dostoevsky (or Bulgakov, what's matter?) was following it?
>He told you himself, or you've read that at foreword?

You know, when people say something they usually expressing their
opinion, even when it not specifically stated (employer, Bulgakov
or Leschiner may disagree).

Yury

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