From: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: A ThEvaaram verse (translation)
Reply-To: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:28:25 GMT

In article <C1GwnC.3us@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.204512.25214@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>
>>          Thanks for this explanation. However, is "vaNdu" used for
>>          sangu in the literature? What does the dictionaries say?
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>     The meaning of 'sangu' ( shell) for 'vaNdu' _was_ from Kazhaga
>     thamizh agaraathi. The semantic root of 'vaN' = 'hard' is my
>     suggestion. I am not aware of any literary use of 'vaNdu' = sangu
>     elsewhere but it is my guess that if one searches one can find.
>     I am aware of another place in ThEvaaram where 'vaNdaRai' is
>     used by ThiruNYaanasambandar. This is because 'vaNdaRai' has 
>     an inner spiritual meaning. Many words like 'maalai', 'muththu
>     maalai', kongai, aravam, karumbu, vINai .. etc. have hidden
>     meanings and there is no point in knowing the meanings without
>     _realizing_ what is said - the wise say... 
>
>     For example 'nariyai pari aakkiya kathai' ( = the story of
>     transforming the jackals into horses; one of the playful
>     deeds {thiruviLaiyaadal} of Siva - this is said to have
>     been played for MaaNikka vaasagar). There is a hidden meaning
>     here. The 'nari' signifies the vital force flowing DOWN ( down
>     means towards the normal sexual organ).
>     The 'pari' ( = horse) signifies the vital force flowing
>     UP ( towards the head - sahasradaLam also called poo )
>     Thus we also have another meaning for the word 'pari_baashai'
>     ( code language ) :)
>
>     Let me quote an appar thEvaaram ( Thirunaavukkarasar)
>     sung in ThiruvaarUr ( paN ( raagam): kaanthaaram);
>     appar is said to have lived before MaaNikkavaasagar:
>
>          nariyai kuthirai seyvaanum
>               naragarai thEvu seyvaanum
>         viratham koNdaada vallaanum
>               vichchinRi naaRu seyvaanum
>         murasathirn(dh) thaanai munnOda
>               munpaNin(dh) anbargaL Eththa
>         aravarai saaththi ninRaanum
>               aarUr amarntha ammaanE
>
>     Where from the first line you can see that 'nariyai kuthirai
>     seyvaanum' means one who makes a jackal into a horse. if you
>     take this with the 'puraana' story then MaaNikkavaasagar
>     is _earlier_ than thirunaavukkarasar ( appar) [ I hope
>     Sundara PaaNdian reads this ! ] Appar is said to have
>     lived in 6-7th century A.D. 
>
>     I should also point out that there are many more places
>     where 'nari-pari' is used. There is another song 'naripuri kaadarangaa.."
>     In any case, there is a very elaborate symbolism in
>     Tamil religious songs ( Saivam and Vaishnavam) which
>     is extremely rich and deeply thought-provoking, but
>     there is not much point in dwelling on these without
>     real actual inner flowering. 
>
>       
>     
>>         
      I greatly appreciate your clarifications and contributions.
      The inner meanings you highlight in each case are extremely
      interesting and thought provoking. Please continue to do this.

      Speaking of vaNdu, I am reminded of a segment from the movie
      " Aadhi Parasakthi " about Kumara Gurubarar.
      The song in that segment goes like this:
           "vaNdaar kuzhaRkanni malyathuvasan peRRa
            maamadhurai iLanguyilee varugavee
            kaNdaar tham  kaNNukkum kaNaar tham nenjukkum
            kaLippahum vaLamayilee varugavee"

      Is this song from "Meenakshi piLLaithamizh"?
      I liked an other segment from this movie about a
      meenavan (Surulirajan acted). Good movie.

      That reminds me of an other song, we used to sing as prayer
      song in my elementary school, which is given below:
           "kallarkkum kaRRavarkkum kaLipparulum kaLippee
            kaaNaarkkum kaNdavarkkum kaNNaLikkum kaNNee
            vallarkkum maattaarkkum varamaLikkum varamee
            - - -         -    -         - -   -  -  -"
      I don't remember the rest of it. Can some tell me where
     this song is from?

     Thanks in advance.

     anbudan
     Ramanan


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