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From: steve@test490 (Steve Comen)
Subject: Re: Rules question
Keywords: room at an obstruction
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:23:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.221019.19310@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>In <bartley.721326921@spssig> bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:
>
>>Suppose 2 boats on OPPOSITE tacks on a beat are approaching an
>>obstruction. The starboard boat can clear the obstruction without
>>altering course. Is there any rule that allows the port boat to hail
>>for room?
>
>If you speak about racing rules, there were in theearlier versions
>a rule telling that you could ask for water if there is an obstruction.
>
>You had to tack immediately after the right of way boat tacked or made
>room for you otherwise, or hailed to you that you tack. If you failed
>to tack, i.e. you just got the other boat from your neck, she could
>protest you.
>
>This rule has changed since and as far I understand, you may hail for
>room to tack, but then you will be disqualified. 
>
The two rules that deal with obstructions are rule 42, Rounding or Passing
Marks and Obstructions, and rule 43, Close-Hauled, Hailing for Room to Tack
at Obstructions. Rule 42 does not apply between two yachts on opposite tacks
when they are on a beat, and rule 43 applies only to two close-hauled yachts
on the same tack. Therefore, I see no way for the port boat to hail for room.

However, I cannot picture in my mind any situation where a tack on the part of
the starboard boat would be required for the port tacker to be able to clear
the obstruction. In anything I can think of, the port tack boat should be able
to either tack early, duck the starboard boat, or duck down and then tack in
behind the starboard boat. Therefore isn't this a moot point?

-- 
Steve Comen steve@test490.pac.sc.ti.com
C15 #3706
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Looking for name to go with sailboat...
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:20:26 GMT

nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:


...lead in deleted

>	I know the kind of boat I want - trouble is, I don't know whether
>or not such a boat exists, or, if so, who makes it.  Can someone help
>with advice?

>    I am looking for a boat with the following attributes:

>	(1)  Anywhere from 20 to 25 foot, although this is ballpark.
>	(2)  A variable keel (probably a centerboard, but there may be
>         other options - I dunno)
>	(3)  A large cockpit, with cabin space which is small but adequate
>         for overnite for a couple (comparable to camping).
>    (4)  Fiberglass hull (of course).  
>	(5)  An outboard.  Used boat. Full complement of sails.  And I
>		 would hope to pay no more than about $6,000 for a used boat,
>         which would probably be 10 to 15 years old.

>     What I would *really* hope for is a reply which says something
>along the lines of: "You're looking the xxxxx model, made by yyyyy".
>Armed with that, I can then scan the out-of-town papers from Miami and
>Tampa, and also call brokers and ask if they have one listed.

I suspect there are lot's of boats which will fit the bill.  I'll tell you 
about my previous boat, which I still look back on 4 years later with 
fondness.  The boat is a Sailmaster 22.  It's a Sparkman & Stephens design
built in the Netherlands for Sailmaster which was (is?) out on Long Island
somewhere.

	The boat has an iron keel with a ballasted centerboard.  It's got a
cockpit large enough for four to be comfortable although I've had more in
it.  The cabin does not have standing headroom although it has a very
large sliding hatch which allows you to move around pretty well.  There's
a V berth forward and quaterberths aft.  Two people can camp happily
on it.  My wife and I cruised it a lot.

	The hull shape and rig are kind of old fashioned, like me.  The boat
is built strongly but still sails very respectably.  It's got a fairly low
aspect ratio but with attention to sail trim we were able to humble a
lot of racier boats.  IMO, it's one of the nicest sailing little boats
I've been on.  The mast is mounted in a tabernacle with a steel post
under the coachroof sending the load to the keel.  The post came down
by way of the V berth which was a nuisance.

	We had a 5hp outboard mounted in well in hte lazarette.  It pushed
the boat along quite smartly although the ruckus was awful.  We'd carry
two three gallon fuel tanks and it would get us anywhere, wind or no wind.


In summary, this is not a big boat.  By modern standards it's small, even for a 
22 footer.  On the other hand, it's built like a tank and pretty seaworthy.
It took us through some pretty nasty stuff.  You should be able to get one in good
shape for three or four thou.  I have a bigger boat now but every spring I
miss that simple little boat.

cheers,
gerard
From: mattp@phred.UUCP (Matt Pedersen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Glasswork
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:02:08 GMT
Reply-To: mattp@phred.UUCP
Distribution: na
Organization: Physio-Control

My favorites are:

"Fiberglass Boatbuilding for Amateurs" by Ken Hankinson.
You can get it from Glen-L Marine (look in the classifieds of just
about any sailing magazine).
It covers pretty much all aspects of glass boat building.  More
technical, covers different resins and reinforcements, vacuum
bagging, high tech as well as low tech, gel coats, laminating, etc.

"Boatbuilding One-offs in Fiberglass" by Alan Vaitses (I think
it's now out of print).  This one has so much wisdom per page
it's worth looking for.  Really a hands-on book, Vaitses made a
living building glass boats for a long time, so he's made all
the mistakes and knows what works and what doesn't.

Both books put the emphasis on new construction and not a lot
on maintenence/repair, but they do contain a lot of information.
From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: computers
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sound.kV9yTB1w165w
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

dlucy@sandr.COM (Doug Lucy) writes:
> Prolonged exposure to the salt air MAY corrode the contacts in any of
> the connectors in the machine: disk drive cables, power cables, bus
> connectors, etc.
> 
> I would think you main concern would be power. Do you have a
> generator? How "clean" is the power it produces? How many watts does
> oit make? Can you use a laptop with LCD screen and a non-heat/fusion
> printer like a DeskJet instead?

Power. Jeez, now there's a thought. It is a generator and I think it
produces about 30 amps. This is a 60 ft sportfisher, but as for how
clean it is? We have a loran, sat nav.... but this stuff was built for
marine enviroment.

I like the idea of a lap top. But maybe computers that are not built to
marine specs should not be on a boat.

Lots of good things to think about. Thanks.


Mark B. Reinhold SDCT 1225 Coronado Ave. Spring Valley, CA 91977-4517
UUCP: ...!crash!sound!markr Internet: markr@sound.cts.com
sound: (619) 469-3514
From: sc0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SHYUAN-FANG CHEN)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Where can I learn to sail a boat?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:10:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I live in Bethlehem, which is located in the eastern part of Pennsylvania.  I want to
learn to sail a sailboat.  Could anyone give me some place, someone's
telephone number, address that I can learn?
-- 


                               Shyuan-Fang Chen (Frank)
                               Network ID:SC0A@LEHIGH.EDU
                               (H):(215)758-1736,(O):(215)758-3582
From: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:55:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov9.125516.8324
Reply-To: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University

In article 871@klaava.Helsinki.FI, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>
>>[David Zielke asks about the relative merits of hanks and headfoils]
>
>If you want my opinion it is in short: Try to awoid the foil by any means.
>
>As said it will give you unnecessary expenses.
>
>I claim that mote races are lost than won by headfoils. If you bother to
>gro through some more accurate description of the 'ton cup' (means quarter
>to two ton), you will find out that almost every race there are boats that
>have a problem when the foil fails. They hit it with spinnaker boob, dent
>it, bend it or the sail just comes out of the foil in the middle and they
>cannot perform that extra smooth sailchange promised them in the selling
>brochures. The gain made by the aerodynamic factor is peanuts compared to
>this.
>
>- Lauri Tarkkonen

I seriously doubt that more races are lost than won by headfoils.
Problems with modern headfoils are very rare: indeed, Tuff Luffs are
almost impossible to deform or dent by hitting them with the spinnaker
pole. The one problem which does occasionally arise is if the sail is
not fed smoothly into the groove a fold of sailcloth can get fed into
the groove along with the tape, but this is easily avoided. Twin grooved
headstays are essential for efficient genoa peels and are probably one of
the most significant developments in sail handling gear for racing boats
in the last few decades.

A great compromise for the cruiser/racer is the Harken roller furling
system with the split drum. When crusing one can use the roller
furling but the drum is easily removed (without detaching the headstay)
for racing leaving a twin groved headstay.  I used this system on my
boat for two seasons before switching to a Tuff Luff (to save a few
pounds aloft).

Jeremy
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rules question
Keywords: room at an obstruction
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:10:19 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <bartley.721326921@spssig> bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:

>Suppose 2 boats on OPPOSITE tacks on a beat are approaching an
>obstruction. The starboard boat can clear the obstruction without
>altering course. Is there any rule that allows the port boat to hail
>for room?

If you speak about racing rules, there were in theearlier versions
a rule telling that you could ask for water if there is an obstruction.

You had to tack immediately after the right of way boat tacked or made
room for you otherwise, or hailed to you that you tack. If you failed
to tack, i.e. you just got the other boat from your neck, she could
protest you.

This rule has changed since and as far I understand, you may hail for
room to tack, but then you will be disqualified. 

Before they thought that the obstruction is not your fault and it was
seamlike and fair to let you come out. Today they think that if you
are fool enought to put yourself in a position where you have to ask
for water, then you desereve to loose the race.

If you are not racing, then I think that the idea of coregs says that
you must be given some room. There is in many places qualifications
that say, that boats with restricted manouverability have certain privi-
leges. Actually this holds for racing as well, because in many races
where the race is continuing in the dark, the COLREGS take over from the
racing rules.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: What is "net crew"? on LI sound
Reply-To: floydb@rpi.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:13:18 GMT

(lastline)
In article <1992Nov10.131239.2511@panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes:
>From: floydb@rpi.edu
>
>>Has anyone ever gotten a crew position through the net?
>
>I've both gotten crew for our Sonar, and gotten crew positions on
>other boats. There's a pretty regular trade in net.crew on LI Sound.
>
>dhs  spencer@panix.com


I have never heard of "net.crew". Is that part of a local 
BBS or is it on the Internet?

thanks
 
barry
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: VHF radio recommendations
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:08:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <27413@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart) writes:
> Jeff, forget the handheld.  These are great for line-of-sight use, such
> as ship's bridge to deck, or anything up to a couple of miles, but really
> lose it when used for anything more than that.  The problems are pretty
> much as follows:
> 
>     The "rubber duckie" antenna is an equally poor radiator in all
>        directions.

On most handhelds, you can take the rubber duckie off and put a bnc connector
on and connect to a standard antenna, giving you more range.

>     The output power is only in the 3 to 5 watt range, maximum.

You can get an amp and put it on your antenna to boost it.

>     It's no fun to be in the middle of emergency communications and
>        have the HT's battery die.

Most handhelds have an option for a DC charger which will hold the handheld in
the boat (provides a mount as well has a charging stand).

However, you can get a VHF radio for $100 (no comment on quality), and if you
don't need a handheld for anything else (or you don't already have one), you
should get a standard "mobile" VHF radio.  The add-ons above are usually
possible, but not always cheap if you go with a handheld.  I use a handheld
because I already had it, but if I was just buying one for the boat only, I
would get the "real thing".

Alan
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: PRACTICAL SAILOR
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:02:56 GMT
Summary: Number to call

In article <17276@mindlink.bc.ca> Bill_Gardner@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Gardner) writes:
>I have not received a copy of this publication for over two months.  I am a
>subscriber.  Has anything happened to the company??  Anybody else had
>delivery problems??
>
>Would any one have a fax or address I could contact.  Thanks
>
>-=*Bill*=-

   First, check your last issue and make sure you haven't expired. You
haven't? Call their subscription department at (800) 829-9087. Make sure
you tell them to extend your subscription by the two months or send you
the back issues pronto.
   Last I heard, PS was very displeased with the company that handles 
subscriptions for them. You might also want to phone the editorial of-
fices and let them know you're having trouble. They're in Newport, RI.
Don't know the number, but you can get it from directory assistance.
   I had similar trouble a while ago. It was only after I squawked to
the editors that things got set right.

Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Re: Hall Probes (Re: Compass on a chip)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:06:44 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.172728.27172@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, by tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai):
> Hmm, I recall fluxgate configuration is used to measure
> the strength of the magnetic field relative to the background
> ambient field, not the "direction" of the field.
> Could you be more specific about this probe?

As I understand it, you are right (assuming you meant to say "hall
probe" in your first sentence).  Hall probes only measure magnetic
field strength, not direction.  It is the fluxgate configuration that
lends directionality.  I was under the impression that the fluxgate
itself was made using hall probes.  I'll try to dig up some better
info if I can.

-billp

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: "mike knox" <mike.knox@canrem.com>
Subject: MerCruiser Outdrive Universal Joint Lubrication
Reply-To: "mike knox" <mike.knox@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:58:27 EST

 
In Message-ID: <1992Nov11.170412.23077@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
mgp@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.g.petersen) writes:
 
>I have a question about lubricating MerCruiser outdrive universal
>joints.  Is this a do-it-yourself job on a 1990 4.3L MerCruiser?
>Can the outdrive be removed/reassembled by one person without a hoist?
>How much does it weigh?  Does replacing it require special skills or
>tools.  I have all the basic tools (including a torque wrench) but
>I don't have any marine specialty tools.  The boat's coowner (read wife)
>could provide another pair of hands.  How ofter (seasonal or engine
>hours) should the universal joints be lubricated.
 
I used to work summers at a marina when I was in college, and we did
this by hand quite often. Just last spring, I helped a buddy put his
Mercruiser outdrive back on as he had it off for the winter.
 
It's not terribly heavy, but an extra pair of hands is helpful. To
take it off, just put it in forward gear (slowly rotate the prop by
hand while someone else slowly moves the shift lever), and pull it
off. (Don't forget to undo ther bolts first!).
 
The driveshaft spline will pull out and drop down when it is clear,
so watch your fingers.
 
As for lubrication, the manual recommends once per season, but I don't
know anyone who does it that often. Then again, in my area, the water
is not salt and the season is fairly short.
 
Regards,
 
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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:08:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 24255@leland.Stanford.EDU, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
> I know that Beneteau uses the best designers like Farr and Frers
> (First 42).  They have a deserved reputation for being fast and
> rugged. What bugs me is the phoney-baloney appearance of the latest
> models. 

I don't want to dwell on this too much, but I just noticed a add in which quite
a few Oceanas (or whatever they are) were pictured.  They all have the horizontal
hull extension at transom as does my friends first 32.5.  Anyone considering one
of these boats should really consider whether they want to put up with the terrible
noise that results from water slapping on this extended transom.

Jeff Huntington
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Schizophrenic Self-Steer (or "My Autohelm's on dope")
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:42:48 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov4.222402.27064@news.clarkson.edu>, billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett) writes:
> Sorry to pick on you, but it's the end of the day here and I'm feeling

Hmmm... I'm sure I don't know what you mean... :-)

> giddy.  Most windshield wiper motors are not reversible, but rely on a
> built in crank arrangement to generate the oscillating motion.  I'm

This one (off the Toyota Corolla) is.  You switch the +/- leads, and it rotates
the opposite direction.  I mounted the contraption on my boat last night and it
seemed to work, but I haven't put it under load yet.  One switch moves the
tiller to the left, the other to the right.  Of course, if I hold them too
long, it makes a complete circle, but in theory it should only use half-circles
to steer the boat the way it is set up.

> afraid your boat will just tack a lot (but the skulling action may
> contribute to your overall progress :-)

Now, with the motor (I guess that's what it was) I had on my old boat, this
would have been desireable (preferrable to towing the boat, swimming, with a
line in my teeth...).

Thanks,
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Subject: Running Backstay Question
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:18:51 GMT


I am considering purchase of a Beneteau First 375 with running backstays.
Although we will race it occasionally, we will mainly be cruising, weekend
sailing in the San Francisco Bay.  I would like opinions/discussions on
running backstays (which this boat has).

Specifically, if we are short handed, can we just sail without them?  The
boat does have a central adjustable backstay.  

What are the penalties or dangers to the rig of sailing without setting 
these running back stays?

I believe if the running backstay is set and we accidently jibe we will
probably lose the mast.  Is this true?  

Can the boat be re-rigged without the running stays?  How do other high
performance boats get the same stability without the running stays?

How about a discussion on the matter.....

Matt Blake
blake@nas.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Just to reinforce John's point that if headstay foils don't provide an
edge, they will go away, that is exactly what happened in the J/24 class.
Several years agao (hopefully one of the net's J/24 folks can supply a
timeframe) one of the major racers showed up and won a regatta without a
headfoil. Sure enough over the next season, the started to vanish. I haven't
seen a single good keelboat manage that in the big boat fleet. In fact, if
anything, the tendancy leads the other way, with  most of the big boat fleet
having at least three headsails for the 0-30 range, with quite a few adding
in a very light #1 for ultra-light conditions. 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: Need tips on winterizing an I/O
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:10:17 GMT
	<1992Nov12.181956.4429@msdhsv.ingr.com>
	<1dufsrINNm02@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>

On 12 Nov 1992 15:47:23 -0500, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) wrote:
>An outboard generally drains all the water jackets when it's
>tilted down. There's no need to fill it with antifreeze, be-
>cause there's not an appreciable amount of water in the cas-
>tings.

BTW, the "tilted down" is extremely important.  My father used to run
his boats on Lake Erie into January.  He cracked the block on a 70 hp
Johnson (3 cyl) once, apparently by not tilting it down to drain it
until after it had already cooled down.

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.

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