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From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 08:15:33 GMT

In article <5829@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.191741.14333@husc3.harvard.edu> rivera@scws9.harvard.edu  
>(Francisco Rivera) writes:
>> they may not be in communication range for some reason.  Well, if their
>> warp system were to fail and they would not be able to repair it, they
>> would be forced to return on impluse power.  Since impulse power does not
>> warp space and follows normal Einsteinian principles, since they would
>> be going near the speed of light, they would not age as fast as we would
>
>What you say is true, according to Einstein.  And has been proven true
>even on Earth, placing two different clocks on two different airplanes
>going different speeds, etc.  (read it if your interested).  However,
>the Star Trek show does not take this into account.  If they did, then
>time would be so distorted for everybody.  Traveling at near light speed
>for even an hour slows down the relative clock by 60 years.  And the 
>Enterprise, A-D does a tremendous amount of traveling at warp 6, 7, etc.
>Thus, at speeds well over light, even a minute would last several years
>on Earth.  Thus, Star Trek can not possibly take into account the
>realtivity of time.  And therefore, your theory, though correct
>technically (although only with our knowledge) is incorrect as the show
>is concerned.

Well, actually, it's my belief that they never exceed the speed of
light...  Okay (here comes rationalization...) a) the drive is called
_warp_ drive.  That implies that they are `warping' something, in this
case, the space-time continuum.  What i think they are doing is
warping space, and then proceeding to move at normal speeds...
(if anyone wants me to post a diagram then reply!  I'm posting this
under the assumption that everyone here can think... =) )

ttyl,
Eli

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From: mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano)
Subject: Re: Nimoy takes over for Gene....
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.032700.520@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>Ok, what a catchy Subject line.....
>
>I have heard som rumors, so I thought I would pas them on:
>
>It seems that Leonard Nimoy (Spock) is becoming more and more involved with
>Star Trek, from a behind-the-scenes aspect, and some people feel that he
>may be in-line to "take over" or at least continue where Gene Roddenberry
>left off, with being able to develop *BETTER* stories...
>
>I have no idea as to how acurate this is, but it is a neat prospect...
>
>Dave

  I don't know about the rest of you netters, but I feel damn good about
  this!  I have a feeling, that Nimoy is the right person to take over
  Gene's work.  I hope these rumors are correct.
	
	- Mika

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From: joes@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Joe Schulingkamp)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp., Great Valley Labs, Paoli, PA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:43:13 GMT


I'll add some protection . . .
























How about this:  somewhere during Scotty's career he gets sucked outa
his current timestream and dropped on the Ent-D.  He plays around awhile,
fixes some of Geordi's goofups, gains a whole lotta weight, and suddenly
pops back into his original timestream with nary a day lost.

Oh, no time travel.  Well, if you can't time travel then how about this:

*** 

Geordi:  Remember the Chief Engineer of the Enterprise-A?  Remember
	 we read in the Academy how he <insert amazing thing here>
	 when the <insert disaster here>?

Riker:  Oh yeah . . .

[fade . . . scene shifts to the interior of the Ent-A Engine Room
where Scotty, brow wet with perspiration, works diligently over a set
of schematics.]

Scotty:  Och!  How in blazes did Black and Decker do it?  I canna . . .

*** 

Get the idea? :-)



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From: MISEWD1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:36:00 GMT

I think the original poster of this message meant Scotty would be
the same age as he appeared in STVI; not any older. Well, he would
be a little older now than when he was in STVI and by the time we
see if it IS him in DS9 he will be a little older at that time, too!
Of course, he might not look any older, it's just age-wise he would be
older. But, then the episode that would air that we see him in would
have been fimed when he was a bit younger; so that the next time we
see him in an episode he would be a bit older than he was in the
first episode that he appeared in. GEE! this is getting old!
 
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From: ellis@ultra.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  30-Jul-1992 0858)
Subject: RE: irish
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lipscomb@lonestar.utsa.edu (David S. Lipscomb) asked:

> in "up the long ladder"  who is the actress who wanted riker to wash her feet
> starting from the head and working the way down?

Rosalyn Landor played the role of Brenna O'Dell.

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From: tbrown@cvgs.schools.virginia.edu (Travis Brown)
Subject: Smithsonian Again
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Lynchburg)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:47:52 GMT

I'm sorry. I read it somewhere but now I can't find it.

Could someone please (via E-mail so as not to bug anyone else)
give me CURRENT info on the Smithsonian ST exhibit (i.e. when
it's over, how to get tickets, when's best to go, etc.)

Thanks, and my appologies to everyone for once again losing my
marbles! 
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Are any Star Trek cast members ST fans?
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:52:06 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1120@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:

>I saw an interview with Whoopi Goldberg about 2 years ago and she said
>she does TNG because she admired TOS's breaking new ground in TV and
>addressing social issues.  She also said she did TNG because she wanted
>to be a part of history.  I believe her since she was already an established
>star and did not need to do TNG.
>
>BTW, Nichelle Nichols said she was going to resign from TOS after the
>first year but Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told her that her role was the
>first that portrayed a black person in a respectable way.
>
>Anyway, sometimes I wonder what the cast really thinks of the show and its
>fans.  Sometimes I think they do not really like the show and think
>ST fans are just a bunch of geeks and are very uncomfortable going to
>conventions.  Ms. Goldberg is not like that but I wonder about the others.
>-- 
>David Johnson
>XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
>david@xlnt.com


I know that Frakes is a big fan of Trek, especially TNG, and even knows
most of the episodes and the Enterprise by heart!!

Dave
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Are any Star Trek cast members ST fans?
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:07:16 GMT

david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:

>Anyway, sometimes I wonder what the cast really thinks of the show and its
>fans.  Sometimes I think they do not really like the show and think
>ST fans are just a bunch of geeks and are very uncomfortable going to
>conventions.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That couldn't _possibly_ be true.

P.
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From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:29:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul26.172553.14293@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca
(Rick Lippens) writes:

>In <1992Jul26.002803.1590@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu
(cs106b16) writes:

>>> Depending on how one defines "Time Travel", Scotty could have been on the
>>> Soyuz-class ship that was caught in the time loop this season.  The one
>>> where Kelsey Grammer (sp?) played the laid-back captain with an attitude
>>> right out of the ST VII time frame - just like he should have.

>This is impossible as when the Captain of the time travelling vessel was
>asked what StarDate it was by Picard, he replied with 2200-something.  This
>stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  Thus Scotty would have been on 
>the Enterprise.  

Perhaps he was on a "field trip" visiting, consulting, or getting a
"ride" to the big "E" following an unexpected "shore" leave.

-- 
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Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
From: rivera@scws9.harvard.edu (Francisco Rivera)
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:17:40 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

This is a small leap, but I have an off-the-wall idea that could be
plausible.  We really don't know what happened to the crew of the Enterprise
A, correct.  Well, we can assume they went off to do other missions.
My idea is that Scotty may have been sent off to a very long range 
mission. (something that could take months in warp type thing) and that
they may not be in communication range for some reason.  Well, if their
warp system were to fail and they would not be able to repair it, they
would be forced to return on impluse power.  Since impulse power does not
warp space and follows normal Einsteinian principles, since they would
be going near the speed of light, they would not age as fast as we would
(or in this case, Starfleet)

Just a thought...

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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:02:04 GMT


In a previous article, scott@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (scott evans) says:

>^L
>
>Jimmy Doohan will appear as Scotty on the 4th or 5th (or so) episode of
>6th season, TNG. According to Ron Moore, he will not be a holodeck
>image, will not be old (like the "admiral" in EatF), and will not be the
>result of time travel. The idea Ron has come up with is quite good...I
>guess that's why he's on staff and we'er not!!!
>
>Scott Evans
>UCLA Astronomy
>

Do you suppose they might try to do something like a sequel to "City
on the Edge of Forever" or "Mirror,Mirror"?  This may sound pathetic,
but so is being frozen for 80 years (a la Buck Rogers) or Scotty, Jr.
(yet another unoriginal ploy).

Charles Gibbs
gibbs@ac.grin.edu
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Miles O'Brien's evil twin
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

the other nite i caught the end of a show on CNN called something like 
"Science and Technology" (i could kick myself for not remembering the exact 
name) and i found it rather interesting, not to mention ironic, that the 
host's name was Miles O'Brien. coincedence? I THINK NOT!!!

:) for the humour impaired.

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:13:08 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)


     Well, on one of the other boards (.current I think) someone said they saw
James Doohan at a recent convention and he says he said that it involves a
transporter accident in Scotty's time.

     Hmm, well add that to the list of bonus transporter malfunction features:

              -> Switch transportees between mirror universes
              -> Split transportees into good and evil halves
              -> Throw transportees 70+ years into the future

     (Among others)

                                                    -Robb Timlin
                                                     rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:34:44 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <QeQTFYW00VIG5W8H5q@andrew.cmu.edu> rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin) writes:
>
>     Yet another dumb idea as to how to dust off Scotty:
>     Q snaps his fingers.
>     >FWOOOSH<
>     "Wha' the bloody Devil am ah doin' HERE?"  :-)
>
>Seriously though, I *really* wanna know how they plan on pulling this off
>without it coming across as really hokey.

I think it's too late for that, regardless of how they bring back Scotty.



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From: giggle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christine London)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Gates Mc Fadden on "All My Children"
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:14:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Brt4w4.C23@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:
>as i used to watch "All My Children" quite regularly, i was wondering if any 
>of you used to watch soaps, and might know who she was on the show, storyline 
>details, etc. >OR<  someone can send me the soap-opera newsgroup name so i 
>can post there.
>                               -- moxy fruvous 

The easiest way to get the information that you want is to post to the
group

rec.arts.tv.soaps

Make sure you put the initials AMC on the subject line.  A lot of the soap
watchers have kill files so without the soap initials it will only reach a
limited group.  

C

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.225736.27385@midway.uchicago.edu>, arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Aidan Palmer) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 	Scott couldn't have been on the Bozeman, since it was lost in 2277,
> which put it before Star Trek VI.  Why? In "Journey to Babel", Sarek gives his
> age as 102.  In Sarek, he gives his age as 202.  Now, since in "The Neutral
> Zone" the year is given as 2364, "Sarek" would occur in 2368 and "Journey to
> Babel" and first-season Star Trek would be in 2268.  In Star Trek II, Khan says
> that it has been fifteen years since he was left on Ceti Alpha Five by Kirk,
> which was in the first-season episode "Space Seed".  This would put Star Trek
> II (and Star Trek III and Star Trek IV, since the Enterprise still has scars
> from the battle in the Mutara nebula in III and IV occurs three months after
> III according to Kirk's log entry at the beginning of the movie) in 2283.
> And according to the novelization of Star Trek VI, it is about ten years after
> The Final Frontier, putting it in 2293 or 2294.  So unless the Scotty in 
> Star Trek II-VI wasn't the real Scotty, the Bozeman theory is out.
> 	
> 	(As Spike Milligan said, "It's all very confusing, really.")
> 
> 	--The Midwesterner
> -- 
> 	"I don't know whether I'm basically lazy or what, but I enjoy my home
> and my general surroundings and living the kind of life I live."


If this is true, why then are the folks on the Bozeman wearing the maroon
uniform jackets instead of the ugly greige jumpsuits from ST:TMP?  Or have
we also dated the issuance of the maroon jacket uniforms?

:-)

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
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From: cfsje@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Susan Eisenhour)
Subject: Re: Fanzine Legality?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:10:06 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

That's what I do: keep charge to members below cost very carefully.
I have heard that Paramount wants to prevent zines on next series
-uh-Deep Space Nine? (not sure title exactly correct) as though they
figure it's hopeless for TSO or STTNG.  Any one else heard about this?
I do frequently get the feeling the powers that be don't really like the
fans very much, basing this on the restrictive rules for original
novels and someone's comment about fans being geeks with no life 
(not a quote).
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Gates Mc Fadden on "All My Children"
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:28:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

as i used to watch "All My Children" quite regularly, i was wondering if any 
of you used to watch soaps, and might know who she was on the show, storyline 
details, etc. >OR<  someone can send me the soap-opera newsgroup name so i 
can post there. they would know.... !

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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                               -- moxy fruvous
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:14:43 EDT
From: Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
 <1992Jul24.151959.7157@mic.ucla.edu> <d9jmsp.obrien@netcom.com>
 <1992Jul26.002803.1590@umbc3.umbc.edu> <Bs1sFu.I1n@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Why can't Scotty come back as a Holodeck creation?  Maybe Geordi is trying to
figure out some early inter-stellar travel stuff and calls up Scotty the way he
did Lea Brahms (did I spell that right?)

Just an idea...

--Nick
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (SPOILER removed)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:44:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: Stardates in TOS = crap!

In article <1992Jul26.172553.14293@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:

[spoilers removed]

>stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  
>

It has been well established that all 'stardates' in TOS were pulled out of 
thin air (or out of the writer's ...)  If it's not in the FAQ, it should be.
From: PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu (Peter Chewning)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:58:35 GMT
 <1992Jul22.191550.24167@eng.umd.edu> <Brt4F3.1GL@ecf.toronto.edu>
 <1992Jul23.181019.18429@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Maybe not Scotty JR. It could be a nephew of Scotty's OR, Here's an "ORIGINAL"
idea.....TAA-DAA!!!! How about a Clone?????

"Send in the Clones."
-Leader of the Brin Loidi
From: n9045187@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Chris Gunther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:03:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul26.190339.11415
Organization: Western Washington University




>This is impossible as when the Captain of the time travelling vessel was
>asked what StarDate it was by Picard, he replied with 2200-something.  This
>stardate occurred during the first/second year of Enterprise's 5 year mission
>to "boldly go where no man has gone before".  Thus Scotty would have been on the
>Enterprise.  

>Perhaps Scotty has a brother?  Evil twin??  Cousin?

If i watched the episode correctly, I don't believe Captain Picard asked
for a STARDATE, I got the picture he asked for a YEAR to which Frazier (:
replied 22sumthin.  Am I wrong?

-c
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:40:04 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)


     Yet another dumb idea as to how to dust off Scotty:

     Q snaps his fingers.
     >FWOOOSH<
     "Wha' the bloody Devil am ah doin' HERE?"  :-)

     Seriously though, I *really* wanna know how they plan on pulling this off
without it coming across as really hokey.

                                             -Robb Timlin
                                              rt16@andrew.cmu.edu