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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Rodney's missing seconds
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:36:50 GMT

Did y'all see "60 Minutes" last night at the end--'A Few Minutes
with Andy Rooney'...?
.
That was priceless!  You know certain folks have been screaming that
there was a missing portion of the tape that shows Rodney King
getting beat up by the L.A. cops.  That missing part was supposed to
show Rodney "attacking" the cops.
.
Rooney showed those seconds last night.  It shows whathisname
focusing his cam on two women friends and then shows the footage of
the beating.  Rodney gets up groggily and seems to run away from the
 cops, only to be battened down once more by a whole phalanx of
cops. The cam goes out of focus after he begins running, but you see
arms flailing with nightsticks...
.
Attack, my butt. Rooney said the tape goes for about 9 minutes.  He
showed the last part, too: Rodney trussed up like a ham with the
cops standing over him, waiting, I guess, for an ambulance.
.
Anybody with any other ideas about the "missing seconds"?
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Its about F****** time!
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <MelnnGK00WBMM4QG1I@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>For those of you who watch the Sunday morning political talk shows (Meet
>the Press, Face the Nation, the Mclaughlin Report), it seems to me that
>high-ranking officials in the current administration are evidencing a
>great deal of frustration and are, indeed, flustered with their
>inability to chop (or at this point even chip) away at Gov. Clinton's
>lead.
>
>I, for one, am damn happy that the experiences of the last twelve years
>are coming to an end.  While it is too true that America has never
>treated African-Americans particularly kindly, the last twelve years
>have witnessed the regression of ANY kind of values, spurred on by
>Messers. Reagan, Bush, Baker, Cheney, Darman, Quayle, et al.

	I'm not counting my chickens just yet, though believe me I
don't think anyone wants to see this little party come to an end more
than I do. (I mean first it was Willie Horton, now their after gays.
Jeez! When do I get a break here!).
	I'll be happy to help the Bush's pack up after Nov. 3, but I'm
not anxious to get my hopes up only to have them dashed. Anything can
happen between now and then.

>If you happen to be in Pittsburgh on November 3rd, I extend an open
>invitation to you to come PARTY with me and my friends when this
>nastiness is swept out for at least four years.  

	I'm not poppin' any corks until the last vote is counted and
the winner definitely declared.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rodney's missing seconds
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:12:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
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In a previous article, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) says:

>Anybody with any other ideas about the "missing seconds"?
>
I'm with you!  I was like, "so THIS is what folx have been bitching
about not seeing?" -- I just couldn't believe it.  And I surely hope
that all those whiners saw that nonsense last night so they can shut the
hell up!

But I'll betcha this:  someone will STILL say that that couldn't have
been all of the footage, blah, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc...

Robin
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Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Venues for African Plays
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Kabu Okai-Davies, a playwright from Ghana, is sitting next to me in my office
right now, and wants to know venues for scripts about Africa and African-
American experience.  In August I attended "In Another Man's Name," his
brilliant play about being a Ghanaian in Newark.  The play highlighted
conflicts and resolutions between Africans and African Americans.  It was
performed by an ensemble group out our Symphony Hall.   It is a play that
people in many other locations would enjoy seeing.  But networks for plays
of this sort are not established as they are for many 'home-grown' scripts.
Kabu has strong support from Baraka and other playwrights in the NY region.
Do any of you know of ways that he could bring his material to the attention
of producers and directors elsewhere?  And not only his plays, but the
plays of many of his African compatriates?

Since he does not have an email account now, you may write to him at

   P. O. Box 943
   Orange, NJ 07051
   201-642-0133 office; 201-783-3059 (home)

Or if you prefer, reply to me and I will get your message to him.

Long live Africa!

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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Apportioning blame
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:01:36 GMT

This is in reply to mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell), who wrote:
:
:
:	The act of demandaing an opportunity is a SELF-DESTRUCTIVE
:	ACT.  The simple reasons for this are:
:
:		1 - It presupposes that an opportunity is not 
:		    currently available.
:
:		2 - It presupposes that opportunities must be _given_
:		    and ignoring the possibility of CREATING
:		    opportunity.
:
:	These two factors that are built-in to the "demand for opportunity"
:	idea are so crippling to anyone who buys into that self-destructive
:	mind set that it becomes self-perpetuating.

You know, this is the problem with listening to any of the
intellectually interesting people in this country like Jack
Kemp and Charles Murray.  They are wrongheaded, but you want
to give them credit and encourage more open-mindedness among
typically butt-tight conservatives.  And then a knucklehead
like this pops off.

Charles Murray is the first one to have propounded the
complaint against "demand for opportunity."  In _Losing
Ground,_ he argues that what happened between the 1950s
and the 1960s was that Congress went from viewing the norm
as "equality of opportunity" to "equality of outcome."
Meaning, give me mine.

Do a little word juggling and you have "demand for opportunity,"
but it's basically the same complaint against a problem that
ain't there.

Actually, it sounds like Locke's Hobbesian prof, don't it?
"Arrrr, so telll me, John, *why* do all the people in the
republic have to have *opportunity,* hm?  Are you telling me
that the God of Abraham made all of his creatures *equal?*"

There's more to say on this but I get so annoyed with these
posts I think why bother.

Aaron
From: cwm54@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:59:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Oct6.160227.27260@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.123401.14284@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>>
>>       I disagree with our black leaders who argue with whites that we
>>    are AS patriotic as they. How could we be?
>>
>easily.  "we" [assuming that you refer to african-americans] have
>contributed every bit as much to this nation over it's history as
>ANY other group [including white americans].  the problem is that
>"history" has not recorded these contributions for the most part.
>i figure the real measure of patriotism is what has the individual
>(or in this case, group) given to this nation.  by that measure,
>african americans are as patriotic as anyone.
>
>some my equate patriotism with flag wavers but i consider many of
>them to be intolerant assholes who wouldn't know a democracy [or,
>for that matter, "family values"] if it hit them in the face.
>after all, the ku klux klan waves the american flag...
>
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    It is not easy for me because I don't buy your definition of patriotism.

    True, we have contributed greatly to this country but I fail to

    see a direct corrolation between contribution and "love and loyalty

    or ZEALOUS support for (ones) country".(Webster)  History is replete

    with examples of peoples who made great contributions to a country

    but who did not feel patriotism for it. It is not logical to feel

    love or loyalty for your oppressors. But there are many african

    americans who do feel patriotism. As I originally said, I don't

    think they are "AS" patriotic as white americans. Jewish people

    made tremendous contributions to Germany but I seriously doubt they

    considered themselves patriots and certainly they weren't AS patriotic

    as non-jewish Germans.


			  Carlyle


		   My views only and not those of CAS


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From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcom X School
Summary: Unauthorized violation of the prime directive.
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:00:05 GMT
Organization: United Federation of Planets, Division of Earth Monitoring

In article <28SEP199210152285@venus.tamu.edu> eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:
>For years the public education system has been geared to one culture, Eurocentr
>icism. It's a basic realization that public schools don't serve the needs of
>many of our African American youth. So why is their a big deal over altering
>a teaching program that will cater to their specific needs. 

They need to be mainstreamed rather than be indocrinated in
Afrocentrentic B.S.

>America is so hypocritical when it comes to the idea of the "Melting Pot." 
>We are finally at a point where African Americans see that the U.S. Public
>School system is institutionally racist and now there is an effort to show
>African Americans some sort of pride and self-esteem and Europeans are getting
>upset. 

Just as Irish, Sicilians, Japanese and Chinese have, Black Americans
must renounce their mindlessly stupid cultural heritage (just as I
renounce my mindlessly stupid cultural heritage) and accept civilized
Western modern culture as their own.

>	I say make public schools cater to African American needs and not just
>Europeans. 

No better way that American Blacks remain subordinate, oppressed and
outside the mainstream.  What a bigot Haskin is!  Race is not destiny!

American parochials have no idea what true oppression and racialism
is.  If you want to learn about true oppression and racialism go live
in Latin American, Africa, E.Asia, India or the Middle East for a
decade or so.  The sorts of unpleasantries which occur in the USA are
truly penny-ante.

>Integration not Assimilation

>Edward A. Haskin
>Graduate Student
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Waste of taxpayer money.

-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Democrats,republicans;black athletes
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:22:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Oct05.025312.5081@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.205551.6070@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep18.191449.22890@utkux1.utk.edu> koosman@utkux1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
>>>In article <198r3hINNm3a@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu 
>>>(;;;;7202) writes:

>>>>Well here's what Charles Barkley has to say on whom he's voting for
>>>>president:  "I'm a multimillion-dollar black man.  If I ever get
>>>>divorced, I'll be a million-dollar black man.  If Bill Clinton gets
>>>>elected, I'm just a black man."

>>>>-- San Francisco Chronicle, 9/16/92

>>Actually, I think that waht Barkley means is that the only thing
>>liberals think is important about him is his color, not how much money
>>he makes or anything else.

>>Kind of like Willie Horton - conservatives saw a rapist and murderer.
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Liberals saw a black man.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>That not true.  Lee Atwater in his "death" bed article in Life magazine intent
>was to wrap a BLACK rapist murderer around Mike Dukaksis.  The actual intent
>of Willie Horton was in fact racist as admitted to by Atwater.

EXcuse me, but Atwater apologized for being vicious.  As far as I
know, he never apologized for or admitted to doing anything racist.

Cite please... and will you put $10.00 on it to make it worth my time
hitting the stacks?

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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:33:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

Hey, that Nissan Altima looks better than any Ford I've ever seen.  When it  
gets right down to it, I could care less about what country it was manufactured  
in.  Whoever gives me the most car for the least amount of money gets MY money.

I'm not patriotic.  In fact, I can't stand living on this Earth.  It's too bad  
I can't find anywhere else to go (which is sad because I was born here, too).   
My ancestors built these country for free, no charge, so that flag with all the  
little white stars means nothing to me.  Especially when it seems that noone  
realizes that those red stripes are ones I know all too well ...

Whoever said divide and conquer what as right as a motherf*!ker.  That's the  
fuel this country feeds off of ...

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African
Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.caribbean
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 18:10:20 -0400 
From: Lynn Evette Clarke <happygal+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dreadlocks - history, info wanted

i just wanted 2 point out that there are women in the rastafarian
movement as well who are just as concerned about their religion and its
appropriation as de nex body.  by using strictly male nouns and pronouns
such as "rastaman" and "a dread...his locks" u render females invisible
and thus continue 2 oppress women in the movement, and women in general.

once upon a time it was "fine" 2 use male terms 2 describe all people,
but that along with the patriarchal social structures that support these
terms are rightly being challenged.  in many circles, it is no longer
acceptible and in some cases quite offensive 2 blanketly describe humans
as "man".  sure it is difficult 2 change language and societies, because
a fundamental change in thinking is required first. but it is something
worth thinking about.

happy day!

*=^>=-p-=


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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Going To The Well (Once Too Often)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  1 Oct 92 20:14:35 GMT

Cognoscente of the Borough of Brooklyn are feasting this week on not one
but *two* in-depth cultural anthropological studies of Bushwick this week. 
The LA Times has just finished a 4-part series on "The Well", a Bushwick
neighborhood immersed in drug culture. The NY Times has just started a
2-part series on the same neighborhood. The LA series focuses on addicts
and the AIDS epidemic, while the NY series focuses on the open warfare
between residents and dealers on a block whose security is no longer
guaranteed by the City of New York.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307


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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: A Matter of a Will
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:45:21 GMT

This is in reply to <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad, who wrote:
:
:I'm not sure how much bad debt he may have had, but someone would think he
:would have a will to stop the "vultures" at the auction over his estate.
:I know that it is too late to do anything about that now, but I can't under-
:stand why someone (friend, family, enemy, or whatever) would have to told
:him to have a will. At least his artifacts would remain w/ whoever he deemed
:important. If I remember, he had 1.5M in debt. It appears, after the auction,
:only $100K was raised. Surely his stuff was more than the money "made" on this
:auction.

Hm.  100K is almost what Anita Baker paid for the MS of the X book.  Are
you sure the auction didn't make more?

Remember too that Mr. Haley had five houses and was paying big alimony
to two ex-wives.  I sense he got some talking-tos over time and that he
simply chose not to listen.  The man had a lot of steel, which I
admire hugely, but wouldn't you know, there's a down side to it.

I'm sure that after the estate -- five houses! -- is sold his debt will
be cleared.

Maybe he should've done it the way General Grant did: get in debt, *then*
write the big book, die, and let your family square the books.

Aaron
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Racist Webster's New World Encyclopedia
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:00:24 GMT

In article <66614@cup.portal.com>,
Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Somebody just dropped off a review copy of Webster's New World Encyclopedia
>at work. It's one of those one-volume jobs, and just for laughs, I decided
>to see if I could find any Asian-Americans in it. The only ones I could
>find were An Wang, Sam Ting (physicist) and I.M. Pei (architect). There are
>no Asian-Am politicians (S.I. Hayakawa or Dan Inoueye didn't make it), no
>Asian-Am authours (Amy Tan and Maxine Hong Kingston didn't make it), and
>no actors. In contrast, it did have Martin Luther King, Marcus Garvey,
>Malcolm X, and Fredrick Douglass, and Baldwin. I'll bet Crispus Attucks
>is there as well. Does that mean that the encyclopedia is biased towards
>African Americans, and deliberately implies that there were no Asian American
>authors, or civil rights leaders, or politicians? Or does it only reflect
>the importance acccorded to different people by the current culture, with
>all its built-in biases? If you were the editor, would you include more
>Asian Ams or more African Ams? By the way, it does include all sorts of
>information on Asian countries, and famous Asian nationals like Kim Il Sung
>and Ching Kai Shek, but not ASian Ams.
>
>If the editorial staff had blacks and whites, but no Asians, are Asians
>justified in calling blacks racist because they did not include Asian
>Americans?
.
.
.
My suggestion to you is to simply point out these discrepancies to
the editorial board at Webster's so you can get yours.  Who is a
person of color on the editorial board is anyone's guess.
Someone listed as Grace F. Miller could easily be Grace Fukuyama
Miller for all you know.  Knowing the way the business world is
structured, there is bound to be one or two blacks on a board which
may be all white.  Sometimes the token Asian-American on such a
board doesn't think about these so-called PC numbers as well, either
out of ignorance and tunnel vision or politically keeping his nose
clean with whites.
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Jamaican Prime Minister Forecasts End to Nation's IMF Program
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:51:16 GMT


>>I remember Manley saying in the early '80s how he and the country
>>had been "IMF-ed."

Jerry Rawlings of Ghana made similar noises. Now he is regarded as a role
model by the IMF..

>came true in Manley's case.  Look to the Sandinistas to similarly
>refashion themselves in the next Nicaraguan election.

Should that happen, Gen. Augusto Sandino would turn in his grave.....

J.K.
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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African names-why aren't there more of them?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:15:19 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UB


	This is a very good point. The only difference I can see between
the experiences of Asian Americans and African Americans in the "new world"
is that Africans were here much longer (in large numbers at least), and 
because of the slavery system, family roots are harder to come by. How 
exactly did Alex Haley find his 'roots'?

-- 
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From: mmrwlm@sn096.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:32:08 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn096.uca
Organization: General Electric

I think the difference between prejudice and racism is this:
racism is prejudice in action.  Everyone has prejudices; it is a natural part of
being human.  But when your (or my) prejudices manifest themselves as
action taken against another person, that is racism.
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