HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:43:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: jcarroll@ferris


steve novak demonstrates his command of history:

>The politics of exclusion, division and fear is another hallmark of
>Republican presidents dating back to when Eisenhower was too afraid to
>stand up to Joe McCarthy and the power behind the throne, Ray "I Hate
>Jews and Homos" Cohn, the Jewish homosexual.  Clinton will not allow
>such hatred to rule the day as Bush the Wimp has done.

um, steve, that's *Roy* Cohn. Roy.

now that we've got that cleared up, a couple of questions:

1. define "politics of exclusion, division, and fear". give examples.

2. define "allow such hatred to rule the day". give examples.

3. is Bill Clinton a personal friend of yours?
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:27:08 GMT

In article <3V6gsB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
writes:

|>And he is  now riding the crest of a wave that intends to force more 
|>government on everyone, not through fear of communism, which we arre told is 
|>no longer a threat, but through false claims about environmental matters. Al 
|>Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
|>inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
|>fraud.

The pseudynonumous "Techie" has himself been exposed as a fraud on many
occasions. Never once has he considered it worth his while to answer any of his
many critics.

He does however give the game away in the above "not through fear of communism,
which we arre told is no longer a threat". Techie is of course the child of the
John Birch society and it is their derranged Mcarthyite and homophobic
extreemism that he posts.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: NLCS FIXED!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:29:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bw6IDp.Brx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e) writes...
>It really saddens me that so damn many
>Americans actually believe that the players
>in the NLCS were trying their hardest
>to win. C'mon, 7 games and then an ending
>like that?! 
>Can anyone say $1 billion and Las Vegas?

Extending this logic, it becomes obvious that World War II was fixed.  Hitler
is alive and well and living off his millions in a secluded Las Vegas Hotel.

The '86 World Series, however, was fixed--but not by mere mortals.  The gods 
of baseball decided the Red Sox made such a foolish trade in sending Babe Ruth
to the Yankees that they deserved to lose in any future World Series.
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Searching for an Honest Man  (Re: Berlet & The News)
Summary: Investigating Stockdale's background.
Keywords: Epictetus, Rockford & Hoover Institutes, Ethics
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:51:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org> writes...
>

In the interest accurate investigation. 

>(Was Plato the first fascist? Were the Golden Souls the vanguard of the
>class autocracy? Are Republics as egalitarian as pluralistic democracies?
>Watch for further discussion!) 
>:-)
>-Chip

Gomperz, Theodor. _Greek Thinkers, A History of Ancient Philosophy_
	Chas. Scribner's Sons NY c.1905, p.77 

	"ETHICAL CONSEQUENCES"

	Heraclitus exerted on posterity a curiously two-edged
	influence, and as an historical factor he reveals the
	same douuble aspect which is shown by natural objects 
	in his theory. He became the head and fount, not merely
	of religious and conservative tendencies, but also of
	scepticism and revolution. If we may echo his own cry,
	he was and he was not a bulwark of conservatism, he
	was and he was not the champion of revolt. Still it was
	in accordance with his idiosyncrasy that the weight of
	his influence should have leaned to the side of defence.

	Within the school of Stoics, his tendency was precisely
	opposed to the radical tendency of the Cynics. His view
	on the subordination of all occurences to fixed laws 
	were responsible for the strict and implacable determinism
	of the Stoics, which was liable in all but the clearest
	brains to pass into fatalism. 

	From those views were derived the quality of resignation,
	not to say quietism, which we meet as early as Cleanthes,
	and the willing submission to the dispensations of destiny
	of which Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius were apostles.

	Heraclitus, too, is the first to introduce us to the Stoic 
	manner of moulding and adapting philosophy to the requirements
	of popular belief....  The innermost essence of Heraclitism  
	was its insight into the many-sideness of things, and the
	breadth of its intellectual horizon as opposed to every
	kind off narrow-mindedness. The habit and capacity of broad
	views tend to reconcile us to the imperfectness of nature
	and the hardness of history. Frequently they help us to
	perceive the remedy beside the disease, the antidote beside
	the poison.

	They teach us to discern the deep inner harmony in apparent
	conflict, and to discover in what is ugly and hurtful 
	inevitable bridges and stepping-stones to the beautiful
	and wholesome....

	Dogmatism in thought in laws and institutions is entirely
	incompatible with a high-strung versatility and flexibility
	of thought.... 

	Heraclitus assumed a state of universal flux.

A rationale which lends itself to a respect for history as it evolves
into the future; and from which conservative and progressive extremism 
can be reconciled.
	
       (Also see Pythagoras and Xenophanes as precursors per Gomperz.)

   |
-- J --
   |     Stephen Tice
   |     Arlington Texas
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:07:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


All right, off the top of my head. In citing alleged similarities
between LaRouche and the Liberty Lobby, you said they both drew
upon the thinking of Oswald Spengler. Please supply any evidence
you have that LaRouche owes any philosophical debt to Spengler.

And in case you missed it, I was not questioning your competence due
to differences in analysis or conclusions, but due to your misstatements of
fact, as in this example. This is neither reckless nor defamatory.
It is merely accurate.

-Steve
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:25:45 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker):
>I would observe that the principal "action" engaged in by LaRouche
>et. al. is to publicize their beliefs, whether by running for office,
>selling New Federalist, or spending hundresd of thousands of ### [$$$?]

... in money obtained fraudulently from callers' credit cards ...

>putting Lyn on TV.

There is also the issue of association.  Who did (and does) LaRouche
work with?  Who support him?  These facts also have a bearing.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Writing on Money
Date: 8 Oct 1992 15:46:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I have noticed, in the past few months, a preponderance of these
'so called test' messages. Who is really behind them and why
are they appearing now?
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Privacy Act
Keywords: Privacy Act,FOIA,State Department,FBI
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:40:25 GMT

patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson) writes:
>Is it true that, under the Privacy Act, the State Dept. can't go
>through anyone's passport files without their written permission?
>(i.e. it is immune from the FOIA).

Although Congress passes some unnatural acts, I don't think they've ever
managed anything THAT weird.  What would be the point of prohibiting an
agency going through the files maintained by that agency?

--Tim Smith
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Phobophobia
Keywords: FEAR
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

********H****I********D*D******E***N********M*******E****S****S******G*E********

PHOBOPHOBIA ([fo-bo-fo-biah] noun, greek):  The fear of fear itself!

"We have nothing but phobophobia."
                                   --F. Roosevelt

********************************************************Repent, the end is fear!
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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Summary: Execution!
Keywords: THINK people THINK
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:15:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <grendel.718921500@camelot>, grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes...
>In <1bckfaINN1sf@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
> >>>>What is Clinton going to do differently?
> 
>>You know, from where I sit, just about ANYTHING different would be an
>>improvement.
> 
>Basically, the idea here is this: we _know_ Bush is corrupt.  We've
>had him and his senile predecessor for twelve years.  Now, Clinton
>may be corrupt as well, but there's always the possibility that he
>isn't.  We vote for him because of that possibility.

     Logic like this slays me.  Really, it does.  You could try researching
Perot of Marrou or other small party candidates.  
     I agree that the two (three?) practicle choices we have aren't good 
choices.  Not voting or voting for a non-RepubliDemocrat might help change the
situation.  As long as ballot access is so strictly controlled, we won't get
any better choices.  Americans are under the ILLUSION that this is a nice,
friendly democracy.  Russia was often criticized for its one party gov't, and
we have basically 2 parties that aren't all that different.
     Arf!
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INFO SOUGHT: Washington Times Corp.
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:27:08 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu

In article <1bdqnvINN8qb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
>
>Can anybody explain to me precisely what the relation is between
>the Washington Times Corp. and the Unification Church, currently?
>Do they own the Times outright, are there "front" organisations
>involved, or what, or is it just individuals who are associated
>with both?

Unless something has changed in recent years, the Unification Church
owns the Washington Times.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Twit twit twit/Jug jug jug jug jug jug/So rudely forc'd./Tereu"
                - T. S. Eliot, "The Waste Land," III. The Fire Sermon
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From: spl@alex.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Help -- Need name of publication
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:58:01 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alex.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Oct7.134940.14527@stortek.com> v042517@stortek.com (Vince Dugar) writes:
>There used to be two publications, one called *Review of the News* and
>another called *American Opinion*.  They then were combined under a new
>name.  Can someone please tell me the new name, if it is still published,
>and (if I'm real lucky) how to get a hold of one?

Don't remember the new name off hand check with your local chapter of
the John Birch Society.  American Opinion was a JBS publication.

[Note: I'm just passing on information -- I'm not now, nor have I ever
been, a member of the John Birch Society -- I just happen to know this
because a former co-worker was and I saw the mags about the office.  I
do not endorse the JBS or its publications.]

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"If you don't think people are this crazy, you need to move to LA!"
                                     - Gary Stollman
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: INFO SOUGHT: Washington Times Corp.
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:35:42 GMT
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Can anybody explain to me precisely what the relation is between
the Washington Times Corp. and the Unification Church, currently?
Do they own the Times outright, are there "front" organisations
involved, or what, or is it just individuals who are associated
with both?

Thanks.
-- 
"In universities, it is forbidden     |  "Personally, my politics are so far
to teach nonsense. But the _history_  |  to the right, I consider Paul Revere
of nonsense -- that's scholarship!"   |  to be a pinko."
               -- Saul Lieberman      |                 -- Tom Grundner
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 07 Oct 92 20:34 PDT
Subject: Re: Guernica - was Re: What is Fascism?
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct6.102126.11507@mnemosyne.:755298824:cdp:1299600091:000:361
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  7 20:34:00 1992



Kevin, please recall that all I said was that Picasso's painting showed an
attack by the German planes which later became the Luftwaffe. The propaganda
war over Guernica and what actually happened has raged for year, but no
credible source denies the German air group (the Condors I believe) actually
bombed the town.

What's your point? I don't get it.
-Chip

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.med,sci.research,talk.environment,sci.environment,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Part 3, RADIOACTIVE MEAT, MILK & PRODUCE: Supermarkets Selling Leukemia
Summary: The sky is falling, film at 11
Keywords: radioactive meat drivel, milk & produce drivel: supermarkets selling leukemia drivel
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:29:34 GMT

Still waiting for some numbers.  Is it parts per million?  Parts per
billion?  Parts per trillion?  Homeopathic quantities?

-- 
Mike Van Pelt                                When guns are outlawed,
LSI Logic/Headland Products                  only Carl Rowan will have guns.
sun!indetech!hsv3!mvp
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 06 Oct 92 21:18 PDT
Subject: Re: Berlet vs. Dallas Morning News  (wa
Nf-ID: #R:3OCT199219125157@utarlg.uta.edu:1896698051:cdp:1299600088:000:2025
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  6 21:18:00 1992


 
People who are on boards of directors have to take responsibility
for what the group does. While Stockdale was on the Rockford Board the
Institute purged its New York office when its director complained
that articles in Rockford publications were taking on an 
anti-Semitic and racially-insensitive tone.

This may come as a shock, but few people who hold racially-biased views
consider themselves to harbor racial bias. Stockdale's wife saying 
he would never be a racist is a colorful anecdote, but hardly a tough
questioning session with Stockdale.

I have not "corrected" my posting twice. 

I first posted additional information because someone suggested 
I had confused Rockford with Hoover, which was untrue.

The one "correction" had to do with the use of the word "before" 
in my first response which was misleading, but hardly the major 
point. I was trying to explain that I had <not> confused Rockford 
with Hoover and was writing from home without my files handy. 
Then some people sent me e-mail asking for more details and a 
cite, which I provided, in the course of which I corrected the use
of the word "before." 

Everthing in the original posting was accurate.

The widely-disseminated information about Stockdale and his 
publications and pursuits is accurate, what I am saying (read 
the first post) is that he deserves some tough questions about the 
Citadel and Rockford situations, because what he
says, and what others say, does not always agree.

After reading more Rockford publications, I would like to add anti-abortion,
anti-feminist, and homophobic to the list of Rockford issues. They also
seem to think we need tougher divorce laws and that women should 
return to the "traditional" role as housewife. Some of their articles
have praised the leaders of various European neo-fascist movements such as
the Italian MSI and the Lombard League. Real nice place for a patriot.

-Chip

P.S. Other journalists have now raised the issue of Stockdale's
past ties to the far-right Rockford Insitute.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Re: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.031002.20686@muddcs.claremont.edu> weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.175301.22176@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>>In article <3V6gsB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes: 
>>|> Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
>>|> inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
>>|> fraud.           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Name three Bill.  And ones that can't spell better than you don't
>>count!
>>
>>Jared "Is someone burning BACON?" Dahl
>
>Off-hand I can't give names, but he is quite right. Doesn't it strike you as 
>a little extreme for Gore to come to a conclusion on the effect of the clean
>air based on a brief look at some ice in Antartica? He's also correct about
>the temperature logs going back 100 years. The only proof I've seen of global
>warming have been the computer models that you've probably seen before. Well,
>in case you didn't know, those have been conclusively proved inaccurate. 
>You'll probably contest that, so I'll tell you that after plugging in data
>from about 100 years ago to the present, the simulation produced temperatures
>well in excess of what actually exist. Therefore the simulation is wrong and
>there is no proof.

The models have improved significantly in the last few years.  Check out the
5-28-92 issue of "Nature", page 297.  It shows climate model outputs
overlayed on top of the historical record.  The middle range models
correlate to actual records.  The corrected models now predict a smaller
amount of global warming, but it is by no means insignificant.  I haven't
read Gore's book so I can't comment on its accuracy.  The "proof" of
global warming is more varied than just models, in any case.  
Plenty of references availbale if you are interested.
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:07:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct12.164325.11596@walter.cray.com> jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll) writes:
>
>steve novak demonstrates his command of history:

Steve Novak demonstrates his accurate knowledge of history. Jeff sounds like
a demagogue.

>um, steve, that's *Roy* Cohn. Roy.

>now that we've got that cleared up, a couple of questions:

>1. define "politics of exclusion, division, and fear". give examples.

The use of a black parolee who was freed by the parole board to attack
Michael Dukakis. The efforts to claim that Dukakis had been excommunicated
by the Orthodox Church because his wife is a Jew (she is, he hasn't been.)
The blacklisting under Eisenhower, the efforts to ban the NAACP as a
'Commie front', the Nixon 'dirty tricks,' the efforts under Reagan to
rally whites with the specter of black 'invasion' - i.e. the 'welfare
cheater' rhetoric, Bush's claim that atheists aren't citizens, Quayle's
attacks on working women..., and Reagan's efforts to steal more land from
us Indians to give to his buddies and to abrogate treaties.

>2. define "allow such hatred to rule the day". give examples.

See above.

>3. is Bill Clinton a personal friend of yours?


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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nadja@weitek.com
From: pec@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Paul Edward CROSSLEY)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: TEST
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:58:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

pete@uunet!ctbilbo (Pete Ritter) writes:


>TEST
>-- 

These tests are a conspiracy !

The Illuminati must be stopped...

fnord.

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