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From: wincor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Infants in swimming pools/i
Reply-To: wincor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:25:17 GMT

In article <XX73NB3w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
>
>> > Sudha Kumar writes:
>> >
>> > Msg-ID: <l63jf1INNoal@pollux.usc.edu>
>> > Posted: 13 Jul 1992 11:39:29 -07
>> >
>> > Org.  : University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
>> >
>> > I have been hesitant about taking my baby to a public swimming pool because
>> > I remember reading somewhere that the baby's delicate skin is prone to
>> > skin rashes because of the chlorine and also the babies with ear infections
>> > should avoid swimming.
>>
>> Babies don't learn "how to swim" in the traditional sense.  By that I mean th
>> your 9 month old won't be doing lengths of front crawl.   Babies do learn to
>> comfortable in the water, though, which in itself is a very valuable thing.
>> And there are certain swimming skills that babies do learn.  I know many babi
>> who can propel themselves for a few strokes underwater.  I know babies who ca
>> do pretty good back floats.    And how about this one: toddlers who can jump
>> into the water, then (by themselves) turn around and grab on to the side of t
>> pool by themselves.  This is a fantastic survival skill should baby ever fall
>> into the water.
>
>My 2YO son loves being in the water with me. I was wondering what's the
>method to use to teach him how to hold his breath, or is he too little for
>this yet?
>
>* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
>
>
>
>
I would recomend taking the YMCA baby swim class.  The class teaches the
parent to work with the baby in the water.  The Y has many other classes.
The class also goes over the breathing techniques.  I have seen the
Y blow air in the babies face right before they go under water.  This
apparently triggers something, because the baby comes back up just fine.
Anyhow they seem to know all that stuff.

Steve

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Mac Games for Kids
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:23:36 GMT

A game that my daughter has been enjoying is called "Just Grandma and
Me."  It's based on a book by Mercer Meyer.  It's really a book on
computer; they call it a living book.  The book is 12 pages long and
each of those pages is reproduced as a screen.  You can click on
different things on the screen and different things happen.  It's
darling.  The animation is well done.  It will also read the story in
Japanese or Spanish, as well as English.

The only disadvantage is that it only comes on a CD-ROM, so you have
to have a CD-ROM drive to play (or either borrow one to load the 170
Meg (!) onto your hard disk.)

Well, another disadvantage is the theme song seems to always be
running through my head.

My daughter is addicted.  I'm not sure what to think; only 2 years old
and already a computer nerd. :-)

Kathie

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cicone@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Barb Cicone)
Subject: Re: Presents for 7-10 y.o. boys
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:24:43 GMT

>>In article <92210.150433CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>>>I need some suggestions of appropriate gifts for boys about 7 to 10 years
>>>old.  These guys recently got a PC and like games, but I don't know much
>>>about what type they like.  I know they enjoy board games, too, and are big
>>>fans of Chicago sports--Bulls and Cubs.  What about science stuff, any
>>>suggestions?  Ideally, I would like to spend only around $20.  I don't have
>>>a lot of experience with young boys, not ever having been one.  My husband
>>>is not much help--all he like s to do is fish.....(another post all
>>>together!)
>>>
>>>Chris Himes

How about a rod and reel (fairly good quality ones for someone that age
can be purchased for around $20) with a promise from you husband for a day
of fishing?  (I KNOW about husbands who fish!!!).  If they are at all close
it should make their gift very special.  Of course you have to tell them 
that catching fish may not be guaranteed!  

My husband and I did this for our nephews (one got the gift the other got
to come along to ride in the boat with their Mom) and it turned out to
be something they talked about for some time.  They aren't especually close
so we haven't been able to do it again but would if we could coordinate
all their other activites with our schedules.

Have fun!

Barb Cicone
University of Illinois
Computer Science Department
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: mpb@troy.uucp (22161-bunz)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:15:57 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Don't Worry

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
> 8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.
> 
> First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
> Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
> I really want to hear.
> 
> Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
> opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
> is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
> and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
> developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
> any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
> against the child being in my womb.
> 
> In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
> handicaps, etc.
> 
> Can anyone confirm this for me?  Am I crying over nothing?
> 
> This has really upset me to think of this possibility, but HOPE that it's
> not true.  Then find out from the Red Cross that it is true.  I have O-,
> he has A+.  Also, my mother is A.  Positive I think.  (Dad, too, that's
> another reason I thought I'd be A+)
> 
> Is there a possibility that I have these antibodies already, from when
> I was born?  If so, and if my above statements are correct, then isn't
> it also possible that the first child who has RH+ will be rejected by
> my body?
> 
> Help!  This really ruins my day.
> 
> -Jennifer
> 
> PS.  I'll try checking the two newsgroups for replies this week, but
>      if you'd also send me a copy, I'll love you to death.

Lots and Lots of couples have mixed blood types. Don't worry about
it - As long as shortly after you give birth or have a miscarriage
you receive a Rho Gam (SP?) injection.  My wife is RH negative, and
I was never even asked what my blood type was, so either they
were able to tell the child was RH positive from a blood test,
or they just routinely give Rho Gam to RH negative mothers.

Even if you don't receive the Rho Gam after each birth/miscarriage,
I believe that most complications can be reversed via blood transfusions
for the new born. (I know that doesn't sound too comforting, given
the faith some people place in todays blood supply, but perhaps
the father could provide the new blood.)

Being the father of 3 RH positive sons with an RH negative wife,
I feel you should have little to worry about - just don't let
any miscarriages slip past you.

Marc
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cost of giving birth???
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:19:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <2A6DE407.2BC5@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>MUCH cheaper if you do a home birth or a birthing center.  $3500 for the 
>entire thing for me, including all prenatal and post natal care.  My 
>insurance paid 100% because it wasn't a hospital.

Maybe it's because I live in a small town, but this is about the same
as it cost for me to give birth in a hospital, with my own OB, labor
nurse, and anesthesiologist.  

My costs were $1500 for my OB, which included all pre- and post-natal
care.  My hospital costs for an uncomplicated delivery and one night's
stay for me and the baby were about the same.  My epidural was about
$400.

An additional expense for me for my second pregnancy was my amnio, which 
cost about $850 total.

My insurance paid 80% of everything.

Judy Drake
From: es03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ERIKA K. SELL)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:25:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennifer Br
own) writes:
>My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
>8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.
>
>First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
>Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
>I really want to hear.
>
>Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
>opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
>is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
>and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
>developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
>any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
>against the child being in my womb.
>
>In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
>handicaps, etc.
>
>Can anyone confirm this for me?  Am I crying over nothing?
>
>This has really upset me to think of this possibility, but HOPE that it's
>not true.  Then find out from the Red Cross that it is true.  I have O-,
>he has A+.  Also, my mother is A.  Positive I think.  (Dad, too, that's
>another reason I thought I'd be A+)
>
>Is there a possibility that I have these antibodies already, from when
>I was born?  If so, and if my above statements are correct, then isn't
>it also possible that the first child who has RH+ will be rejected by
>my body?
>
>Help!  This really ruins my day.
>
>-Jennifer
>
>PS.  I'll try checking the two newsgroups for replies this week, but
>     if you'd also send me a copy, I'll love you to death.
>
  I cannot answer all your questions, but I am a- and my husband is a+.  My
  very healthy daughter is a+. When I was 28 weeks along - the doctor gave me
  a shot of {rhogam?}. I also had one after the birth of my daughter. The
  first pregnancy is not usually affected by RH factors. I can continue to
  have healthy happy children with a shot or two each pregnancy. No problems.
                                               Erika
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Car seat question summary
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:16:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	As promised, as summary of the responses to my car seat
questions.  I'm sorry, I don't have the original so I'll try to
paraphrase as best I can.  NOTE: These questions are for future
reference; they don't apply to me at all since my daughter is unlikely
to reach 20lbs before she is a year old.

	1)  Since the current recommendation is to keep children
rear-facing until a year, is it safe to do so if they weigh more than
20 lbs?  
	The instructions for my car seat only divide the groups by
weight, i.e. >20lbs forward facing, <20lbs rear facing, which (if I
didn't have the net and other sources of information) I would
interpret as follows:

	A child who weighs more than 20 lbs will put too much strain
on the seat in the rear facing position and so should be turned
around.  


I got several responses from people who kept their children rear
facing when their weight >20lbs.  I didn't get any answers which
specified whether this was according to the instructions with the
particular seat or on the recommendation of a pediatrician or just
common sense.  
	If anyone has any information (Laura Floom, I'd like to
get a copy of the booklet you described; do you have an address or
phone number?)  on who to contact for more details, please let me
know.  


	2) My second question dealt with infant seats which are only
to be used for children <18lbs.  This was just a general gripe, I
guess since I have to use the big car seat in the rear facing position
for 2 lbs, why not make all infant seats go up to 20lbs (several
people who wrote to me have ones that do).  I was impressed by people
who used the infant seat for a carrier when their children were close
to 20 lbs.  I stopped carrying Libby around in hers when she weighed
around 13lbs.  

	3) All the people who answered whose children weighed >20lbs
before they could sit continued to keep them rear facing in a
full-sized car seat at least until they could sit up if not longer.  

	Thanks to everyone who responded, I tried to e-mail to
everyone but some responses bounced.  If I get any further information
I'll summarize.  
			Lisa
From: sf08@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SUZANNE FISHER)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: PROBLEM HAIR, MOM'S
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:20:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



Almost five years ago now, when I had my son, my hair dresser told me that
after the birth my hair would fall out and not to worry it was normal. My hair
did fall out then and again when I had my daughter five months ago. It is pain,
but it does stop.
-- 
Suzanne Fisher      sf08@Lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Twelve yr. old caught stealing women's underwear!
Keywords: 12 yr. old caught stealing women's underwear
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:48:37 GMT

In article <skipa.712375594@milton> skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson) writes:
>If your 12 yr. old boy was caught stealing women's underwear
>at a department store, what would you do?


	Make him wear it.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:00:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTEL

In article <tr.712369776@samadams> tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom 
Reingold) writes:
> Also, your baby may prefer a special position that you will have to
> experiment to find.  Madeleine's was very bizarre, and it took a long
> time to discover.  I held her over my shoulder, but most of her was
> upside down over my back!

I used to have to bounce Matthew as hard as I could up and down on my 
shoulder, practically throwing him over the back of my shoulder.  
Sometimes looking out the window at the trees helped.  Mostly nothing 
satisfied him, though.  He was a high maintenance baby - hated the swing, 
hated the Snugli, hated the baby seat, hated the stroller, etc.  We used 
soy formula, but not until he was four months old.  I'm not sure it helped 
much.  It took until he was about six months old for things to settle out 
(I'm sure that's not very comforting right now, but it does eventually 
end!)  He's now 19.5 months and doing great!!
  

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:20:15 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <LOWRY.92Jul27141802@rotor.watson.ibm.com>, lowry@watson.ibm.com 
(Andy Lowry) writes:
> 
> I'd be interested to know what reasons there would be against using
> EFM.  Thanks!

The downsides are as follows:

	The medical staff spends more time with the monitor than with the woman
	EFM's are VERY inaccurate and may actually up the section rate
	EFM's restrict you from walking around
	EFM's confine you to bed on your back
From: bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pregnancy Pillow
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:04:20 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: informatics.wustl.edu

I just found the ad for the pillow which allows pregnant women to lie
on their tummies, so for those interested:

"Pregnant ... Get Tummy Rest (tm)  $49.95

Tummy Rest is a new body support inflatable comfort cushion that allows 
pregnant women to lie on their stomachs. Enjoy resting, napping, reading, 
watching TV, sunbathing, etc. It brings temporary relief of many of the 
discomforts of pregnancy.

To order, call 1-800-735-2946
Vias/Mastercard Shipping and handling $7.50
Ship within 48 hours
Abby Brooks, Box 765
Lake Arrowhead, CA 92352"

I'm not affiliated in any way - I haven't even used this product!

Charlene


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris)
Subject: Am I Forcing Her to Be Left Handed?
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:53:44 GMT

I am right handed. My husband is left handed. My one-year old daughter 
has not yet determined which hand she prefers--although she seems to
use her left hand quite a bit, which is the reason for the following
question.

When I hand my daughter something (a toy, her spoon with food on it so 
she can feed herself, etc.), I use my right hand. I automatically place
whatever I have into the hand directly across from mine, which would be
her left hand since she is usually facing me. (Follow that?) In other words, 
I forgot about the phrase/rule/principle that people often use when facing 
someone and trying to determine left or right. They usually say or think
something like, "My right, your left."

So, I am wondering...have I unknowingly been forcing/strongly suggesting/en-
couraging my daughter to use her left hand over her right? I never really 
thought about which hand in which I was giving her objects until recently. 
And I really don't care which hand she uses. But I do want to know if I
am having an influence on which one she chooses. So...has anyone else done
the same thing? Is this something parents really think about when handing
babies things? Does it matter? Is this how lefties become lefties? 

Signed,

One Have-I-Created-A-Lefty? Mom   
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ginger@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ginger Ogle)
Subject: Re: in-law discipline question
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:40:05 GMT

In article <5411@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com> celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.154159.2478@kodak.kodak.com>, salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio) writes:
>> It's not fare to a child to punish them for something that another
>> child is doing in front of them....
>> Nanette  salvaggi@acadia.kodak.com 

> [...]
>As Nanette pointed out, you don't have control over what the other
>child does, all you can deal with is your child. I try (with
>occasional success) to explain that I am not this other child's
>parent and thus can't speak for them but I am Beth's parent and we
>have house rules to follow. [...]
>
>celia modell
>

I agree with Celia, and I wouldn't try to instruct the in-laws in
proper child-rearing techniques at the risk of causing a family
tiff.  However, I *would* say to the misbehaving child: "In our 
house, we have a rule that there is no [kicking/spitting/etc.]." 

This has worked well for me in dealing with disorderly kids -
they are used to different rules at school, etc. and will
generally adapt accordingly. I've also heard other parents say 
this to my own kids and I didn't take offense (those parents were 
just unusually strict I guess :-)
-- 

/* 	Ginger Ogle		ginger@cory.berkeley.edu	
 */
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth)
Subject: thanks to all for practical baby gift suggestions!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:01:54 GMT

The subject line pretty much sez it all...Thanks!!!! I think I'm going to
give her some coupons for baby sitting and make her a tape of some lullaby
music that I bought from Chinaberry a while back...Thanks to all who replied...
Elizabeth Ruby
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:37:46 GMT

Umm -- it's not the government's business to enforce any particular
religion's view of the relationship between parents and children.
And before you disagree, let me point out the numerous older religions
that condoned, or even demanded, infanticide.  Shall those beliefs
have the force of law?
From: jacobsen@cc.swarthmore.edu (Robin Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Bad Breath in 2YO
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:25:26 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <oeNPG4K00WB2McNkQJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl
G. Grant) wrote:
> 
> Lately tho he has had bad breath at the end of the day.
> Please help!
> Thanks,
> -Shirl

Shirl,

My daughther had bad breath when she was about 1.5 yrs old and after a few
days I took her to the Ped (by then she had a fever to) and mentioned the
bad breath and she said.  "You should bring her in if she gets bad breath."
 It turned out she had a tonsillitis (sp?).  It might be nothing but I
would have a doctor check it out.

Robin
From: eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Vitamin A
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:22:34 GMT
Organization: doc,ic



Does anybody know what the latest school of thought is regarding taking excess
Vitamin A before getting pregnant and during pregnancy?  There were some 
reports about 18 months ago (at least in the UK) about excessive Vitamin A
being thought to cause possible facial deformities in the fetus, and therefore
people who were pregnant or trying to get pregnant were advised against 
vitamin supplements or eating too much liver.

Is this still recommended, or have vitamin supplements been given the OK yet?
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:31:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul23.163746.10839@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>
>   mona@scubed.scubed.com  (Who has heard the words "Mine," "No," and
>			    "I want" atleast a thousand times in the
>			    last 3 months.)

Heh, heh.  My 22-month-old's specialty is "Way", meaning either
"No way I'm going to do that!" or "Go 'way, Mom, you're cramping my
style!".  As in,  

Mom:  "Ellen, no, grapes are NOT for standing on."  
Ellen:  "Way!"  (If you'd just go away, I could stand on my grapes in peace.)

She's figured out that anything the parents don't see, they can't forbid.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: helping kids fall asleep
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul22.172714.1966
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <16995@ulysses.att.com>, smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes...
>Any suggestions on how to help a child (just about 3) fall asleep?

We gave each of our children a boombox (the $75.00 kind, not too bad, but not
so great either.) and they listen to a tape before sleep.  Our five year old
adopted son likes "Kid Songs" or the "Muppet Movie" soundtrack.  Our 2.5 yo 
likes the "Little Mermaid" soundtrack for naps, but hates it for night time.
For night time she has used one of the "Golden Voyages" tapes for more than 
a year.  (There are at least four, maybe more now.)  When I first tried them
on her at age 11 months, we called them "The Magic Mom Mending Music".

Dave Johnsen


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