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From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Dove Awards - Really Embarrassing!
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:32:53 GMT


Anyone out there, besides me, who found the Dove Awards to be downright
embarrassing? I had to turn them off they were so bad:

	1} Bad miking - Rachel Rachel and others suffered from really crummy
sound due to mic levels being wrong.
	2} Same ole winners - Did Sandy Patti even release a new album in the
time frame covered by the awards? Amy, Michael W., Steven Curtis, Sandy, BeBe
& CeCe, will it never end?
	3} Hair & Choice of Clothes - Ladies, ladies, please avoid the teased
hair poofing out all over. And to Kim Hill - please never wear an outfit like
that again; it had "cheap hooker" written all over it. Thank the Lord Steven
Curtis Chapman looked decent, I was really worried for a bit!
	4} Sync - It seemed every time someone announced the nominees the
graphics people got ahead, or totally switched the names around, or perfomed
some other act of video cruelty. Really sad.
	
	The only redeeming part of the show was the even mix of musical
styles. Just about everything got represented. Though, I think that in the
realm of categories they need to add a few. I didn't see anything in an
instrumental category. I think an "alternative" category should be added to
give less mainstream artists a chance. 

Any other comments out there?

Dan

P.S. - I find it interesting that Russ Taff, who won the Grammy for best male
vocalist, was not even nominated in that category for a Dove.


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From: lance@pagoda.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Lance Burk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Bob Hanson Concerts
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:43:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Natural Resources, CSU, Ft. Collins, CO.

Bob Hanson will be putting on several Free Concerts this week.  
He is a great guy, with a big heart for people. You should 
try to come to one near you, you won't be dissapointed.

April 15 (Wednesday) 7:00PM  University of Wyoming at the Agricultural
                             Auditorium, Larimie, Wyoming.

April 16 (Thursday)  7:00PM  Valley Christian Church, 900 Josephine Ct.
                             (Ward Industrial Park) Loveland, Colorado.

April 17 (Friday)    7:00PM  Monument Bible Church, 4124 Avenue I,
                             Scottsbluff, Nebraska.

April 18 (Saturday)  7:00PM  Cheyenne Evangelical Free Church, 1415 West
                             Jefferson Rd. Cheyenne, Wyoming.

April 19 (Sunday)    6:30PM  Open Door Aliance Church, 2133 Meadow St.
                             (4 Blocks east of Main on 21st) Longmont,
                             Colorado.

Brought to you by RoosterCrow Productions. If its the Crow you gotta go!
                                       
                           In His Service,
                            
                              Lance Burk
From: mrs@CHIPPO.PRIME.COM (Michael Seher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: "Jesus is Just Alright"
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:54:00 GMT



	I have a question about the song "Jesus is Just Alright" by the Doobie
Brothers(yes, I _do_ know what their name is referring to).

	The song is from the early-to-mid 70's, a point in time when "it was
cool to be a Jesus freak"(to borrow a phrase that was used a lot in my
conservative, midwestern high school.  Does anyone know whether the DB's felt
like doing a positive, non-traditional song about Jesus or were they ridiculing
him?

	A few lyrics I remember from the song

		"Jesus, He's my friend"
		"He took me by the hand, led me far from this land"(?)
		"Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright, oh yeah"

	Thanks in advance.

		Mike

P.S. Send me some mail if you'd like to sign-up for the Amy Grant mailing list.

    ____	Michael Seher
   |  \    /	mrs@chippo.prime.com
   |   \  /
   |____\/ (R)	Computervision

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: djk55497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (DJ the Social Guy!)
Subject: Re: Deliverance and Tourniquet on MTV?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:24:56 GMT


>In <11945@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez005167@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>>A couple of months ago I heard that Deliverance
>>was trying to get their video for _Weapons Of
>>Our Warfare_ on Headbanger's Ball.  Were they 
>>successful?

>>Grace and Peace
>>Randy

I was night clerking one night when Headbanger's Ball was on, I DID see the
video _Weapons of our Wafare_  I do not like metal music that much and I find
metal videos boring (usually just shots of the band)  But this videa was 
actually pretty good.  But isn't _Weapons of our Warfare_ a whole album ago
for Deliverance??  Oh, well, the that video DID make it on!!!

	DJ
		the Social Guy
From: sumrn@dssv01.crd.ge.com (Robert N. Sum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: praise songs and hymns
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:14:24 GMT
Reply-To: sumrn@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE R&D, DICE Program

In article <1562@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, phil@mpd.tandem.com writes:
|>> >Playing hymns is particularly challenging for the guitarist who must often
|>> >play a *lot* of transitional chords, etc. which are in the hymnbook SATB 
|>> >arrangement.
|>> A few years ago I worked out (on my own) the chord patterns for most of the
|>> old hymns. Needless to say, those written in the years 1850-1910 had
amazing
|>> amounts of chord transitions (lots of 7ths). Of some of the others, I
|>remember
|>> "For All the Saints" and "Jesus Christ is Risen Today" as being
particularly
|>> loaded.  
|>
|>Rather than consider most guitar players (myself included) mildly musically
|>literate, I advocate doing simpler arrangement of the hymns that are
tractable
|>for the rhythm guitar player.  Simple can be beautiful.
|>
|>> My home church, the Vineyard Christian Fellowship of Cincinnati,
often weaves
|>> hymns like "Fairest Lord Jesus" or some Wesley hymns into their regular
|>> Vineyard-style praise songs. I appreciate that because I enjoy both
|>> tremendously.
|>
|>Perhaps one of the reasons "Fairest Lord Jesus" is both singable and playable
|>is that it has a fairly simple progression of chords.  A corollary on the
|>praise chorus side is Pete Sanchez's "I Exalt Thee".  Very singable and
|>playable, and a favorite across the US (and around the world, I presume).
|>

  In the long run, one must find a proper balance.  I often have to deal with
one guitarist who refuses to learn to read music and is of the opinion that
every song can be played with at most three chords.  This attitude denies
his own musical gift, denies the composer's gift, and short changes the
congregation as well.  Most people can sing/play much better than they
give themselves credit for and actually will do so if led gently along
without a lot of fanfare.  Yes, it does take good judgement to lead in
such a manner.  I pray about these things.
  In general, I will try to reproduce the intention of the composer as
best as I can.  (Boy, is that a loaded sentence!)  Many things are
considered including my ability and the congregation's.  And as these
musical abilities change (usually improve), I'll add some of more complicated
things back in, if I had to take them out before.  It's a constant process
of discernment.

|>[...]
|>
|>Phil Webster       (phil@mpd.tandem.com)  (512)244-8138
|>Tandem Computers   14231 Tandem Blvd.     Austin, TX  78728

  Bob                                    
==
  sumrn@crd.ge.com

  Robert Sum
  G.E. Corp. R. & D.
  P.O. Box 8, Rm. KW-C277
  Schenectady, NY 12301

  Tel. (518) 387-7696

Please note that the "Standard Disclaimer" applies here.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Country music lover looking for christian music
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:36:11 GMT

What about Brush Arbor?  It's real country, not country done by otherwise
non-country bands.  I know they've been maintaining a low profile and not
touring for the past few years because they wanted to spend more time with
their families, but they do have a new CD out and they're really talented
guys.
-- 

-- Alan
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
From: meo@pencom.com (The Unshadow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: The Pigs - LIVE! (new album & video)
Summary: hello, hello?  oink
Keywords: The Unshadow sez "Yow!" to KNLE's RBR listeners
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:41:55 GMT
Organization: we wish

The One Bad Pig Album & Video release party was poorly attended.
Like major bummer!  BUT, three out of four Pigs were there, along
with one of the two new piglets (Daniel's - Kosher's was at home).
Didn't get to meet any of the sows (wonder how they would feel
about that name!), but Mama Tucek was of course there.

The new album is

One Bad Pig

  L I V E

Blow the House Down!

on Myrrh.

It was recorded at Cornerstone this past year, as was the video,
which includes almost all the songs on the disc (I think "Rock
the Casbah" is the only one missing from the video).  And what
are the songs?  Glad You Asked! [tm]

1) Prelude (Green Acres Theme)
2) Take a Look at Yourself
3) Hey Punk!
4) Smash the Guitar
5) I Scream Sunday
6) Red River
7) Judas Kiss
8) Cut Your Hair
9) Bowl of Wrath
10) Isaiah 6
11) Let's Be Frank
12) Altar Ego
13) Swine Flew
14) Godarchy
15) Kosher
16) Ice Cream Sundae
17) Rock the Casbah
19) Never Forget the Cross

The songs aren't major-league different from the studio CDs - no real
extended solos or anything, but they do sound tight!

The video DOES include the Cornerstone finale to "Cut Your Hair",
which if anyone hasn't heard about it, is quite a trip!  The video
includes the required stage diving, including a nice belly flop
into a huge ice cream sundae which was produced live, on stage
(The Shadow, of Austin Christian radio fame, had a hand in making
it!).  During one song (Hey Punk?) the stage is covered with
skateboarding chaos - it's amazing they managed to keep the
song going!

Anyway, there's no real ground-breaking stuff here, but some good
Pig stuff for Pig fans, and for letting your heathen friends, and
especially lukewarm Christian friends, groove on.

Of course, the disc IS in halloween colors - somebody should get
Mike Warnke in on this & make sure it's safe to listen to!!!

[8^)  :*)  8*) for the humor-impaired]

PIG TRAVEL PLANS

I got to talk to Kosher for a couple minutes afterwards (from
a personal standpoint, I was just as happy it was a small crowd!)

They don't plan to do any real touring soon (what a bunch of weenies.
Just because two of them have little babies at home... 8^)  They are
planning to do several road shows of 2 or 3 concerts, each a couple
of months apart.  One of them will probably be in the Ohio area.
Kosher promised if I write him, he'll let me know when they are
planning to go anywhere, so I can drop that info into this group.
he though the idea of this newsgroup was cool.

He was, of course, right!
From: hamer@ptdca3.intel.com (Eric's a/c..)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: looking for name of group/song
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:55:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland Technology Development, Intel Corp., Aloha, OR
Originator: hamer@ptdca3

I'm trying to remember the name of a group I saw on Real Videos a while
ago.  The show was about 3 weeks ago, I think it was the one with 
NewsBoys as the guest hosts.  There was a rap group that did a song called
"Get Sanctified" or something like that.  I've browsed the rap disks and
tapes hoping to recognize the name, but I just can't remember.

Does anybody happen to know the group/song that I'm talking about??

Thanks,

      Eric

      hamer@ptd.intel.com
From: superc@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: X-ian Music
Date: 8 Apr 1992 09:24:46 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kitty.ksu.ksu.edu


i agree with you entirely. it's about time christians quit bickering and
backbiting and get some unity. i've heard so many times that just because a
christian artist has a number one hit on secular charts that their not christian
anymore. that makes me sick. how can we know what god thinks????? in Job it deals
with this subject at around the 13 or 14 chapter i think...christians always
gripe about the secular top 40,etc and that there aren't any good influences out
there. but, when a christian artist breaks onto the charts, like mike w. smith,
amy grant, or , now, kathy trocolli, they slam the christian artist and say their
not christian anymore and that their in it for the money. for these people i have
one suggestion. read mark 16:15. i believe amy, mike, kathy, etc have and that's
what their doing. they may not be edifying the believer, to a point, but they are
evangelising . kind of like all the flack stryper used to get for years until it
drove them to become secular. for the record, they are back on track now. just my
2 cents.   later, shawn. 1cor15:57,58
From: sde@comm.wang.com (Scott Estabrooks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Music Clubs (repost)
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:53:48 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs

In <s4l0sINNcl9@agate.berkeley.edu> dyoshi@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Yoshihara) writes:

>Well I hope that helps.  Please add to this list if anyone wants.  I don't

There is one other place that I have found that I think might be of interest
to people - Christian Book and Supply in Acton, Ma.  To be honest I have not 
ordered over the phone because it's easier for me to just go to the store 
and pick up what I want (they have the same prices in-store without the 
shipping).  I know the owner and have been very impressed with his attitude
about his business - he very definitely sees it as a ministry.  He has been 
told that he has the lowest prices for Christian CDs in the country.

CBS - Christian Book and Supply
   Pros: Reasonable prices (most cost around 10.98), shipping is whatever 
         UPS charges him (no handling charges).  Buy 5 CDs and the sixth is
         free (you don't have to do this all at once, they'll keep track for
         you).  This is not a CD club, but a catalog that you can order from
         (e.g no minimum purchase).

   Cons: I'm not real familiar with the whole range of Christian music, so
         I don't know if his selection is great.  His catalog is about 16
         pages long with @ 30 artists per page.


   Address: Christian Book and Supply
            481 Great Road
            Acton Ma. 01720
            1-800 323-3947

If anyone has actually ordered from him over the phone, I'd be curious how it
worked out for you.  I'll be needing to call in an order soon, as he doesn't 
stock as full a selection in his store.

Scott

-- 
Scott Estabrooks             Wang Labs       sde@arawana.comm.wang.com
(508) 967-2444               Lowell, Ma
From: weba@vipunen.hut.fi (Veijo P L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Petra
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:46:08 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Who posted the Petra tour schedule?

Would you please post the European tour schedule as well?
(If you have it)


-- 
	   Two sides to all of us, with me you get 'em both
				   
			  Veijo L{nsikunnas
		       Veijo.Lansikunnas@hut.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tford@convex.com (Tom Ford)
Subject: Re: Whose music is it?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:50:08 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr13.143058.29424@mlb.semi.harris.com> ras@controls.hccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:
...<text deleted>
>
>told him that I would like to perform some of the old songs that I had helped
>write. His answer was that those lyrics were personal between him and God, and
>that no one was to sing them except for him.  These songs weren't copyrighted or
>
...<text deleted>
>
>Thank you and God bless you all,
>
>Russ Soule
>

Well, that is a sticky situation.  I would say don't sing the songs in
question, forgive him, and pray that God work on his attitude.  I think it is
very valid to have things personal between you and God, like songs, prayers, 
poems, etc., but if they are personal, they should not be shared in public.
If his songs are really personal, then why is he performing them in public?

God is at work in all of us.

God Bless,
Tom Ford

tford@convex.com
Convex Computer Corp
Richardson, TX
From: superc@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: dove awards typical
Date: 10 Apr 1992 09:11:54 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.ksu.ksu.edu


Keywords: 
dove awards stink

once again, the dove awards give awards to the obvious. since sandi has had a
release within the last 2 years, of course she'll win. lalalalalal. mike w smith
did deserve song of the year for place in this world, since it was up for a
grammy. but, all the dove awards are are the christian version of the grammy
(granny) awards, IMHO. it seems everyone always wins the same thing every year
and that all the old farts (sandi, etc) could never be left out, just like bruce
springsteen and miochael jackson always win a grammy for something of another.
I'm not crowing on margaret becker, but Rock album of the year??? is this a joke.
obviously a sick one at that. when i think of rock, i think of mastedon, halo,
petra, etc....not contemporary christian margaret becker. excuse me! MEtal album
was the only one that was legitimate. whitecross is a tremendous group with a
tremendous outreach. i saw them last week in hillsboro, ks, and you can readily
see where they're comin from. what's this??? rap artist of the year: mike- e and
the G-crap (oh, i mean g-rap) crew???? again, this is a sick joke. to give it to
mike e, they might as well have given it to the raptures. anyone else in the
christian music industry outraps mike e, even steven wiley!!!!! why dont they
give it to a legitimate rap group like SFC or even PID, for goodness sake!!!!
they could have even given it to d.c. talk...anything`s better than, i regret
using this word to describe a christian band, LOUSY LOUSY LOUSY mike e and his
gcrap crew....in closing, i dont have anything against sandi, etc, i think it's
just high time they let someone else enjoy the limelight instead of her, etc, and
that they should give artist/category of the year to artists who have had
releases in the last year (or so) and that really demonstrate lyrically and
musically, strong talent ....i love m. becker's music, but she`s not rock, thank
you....when trying to get sec people hooked on christian rap, if i played mike e,
they'd probably laugh, but a lot of my secular friends like llistening to SFC,
Freedom of Soul, Idol King, E-rock, etc....just my 2 cents. everyone has a right
to their opinion. although no one else on this net probably shares my opinions.
maybe some people do think mike e is the greatest christian rapper...their
fault...
From: ez005167@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Thanks (Re: *REAL* Dance Music)
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:55:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


I just want to thank everyone who gave me suggestions
for christian dance music.  I think I got enough to
tide me over (and keep my wallet busy), but if you
have some more keep'em comin'.

(I didn't get any weird suggestions either)


Keep dancin' for the King.

Agape,
Randy
From: 00mkmcculler@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Suggestions?
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr12.120509.6147

Okay,

I LOVE Christian music, and have loved it since my sister bought me my first
Amy Grant tape in the fourth grade.  I've listened to a variety of different
artists, in a variety of types of music.

I just recently discovered White Heart, however--yeah, I know that I'm
slow...=-).  I LOVE their music.  I don't have much money for music, so if I
were to buy a White Heart album, which is the best?

Anybody have any other groups or artists to suggest?  

Also, has anyone ever heard of Jeff Sack?  He tours with Rich Mullins, at least
he did last fall.  Pretty good music...=-). 

Meghan
00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (David J Stucki)
Subject: Re: Please Help Identify Songs
Originator: stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:23:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.181920.14615@keinstr.uucp> chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:

   In article <53392@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5196a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Helms) writes:
   >
   >
   >Song			Artist			Albulm			
   >All Creation Sings(?)	??????			??????

   That's not much to go on, but since you are not sure of the title, I'll
   take a guess:

   All Across the Sky    Steve Green     We Believe

No, All Creation Sings is by AD (Kerry Livgren & Dave Hope after Kansas).
I'm not sure what album, though.

dave...

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From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Re: Lucky Charms Christian?
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.080948.8527@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> djk55497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (DJ the Social Guy!) writes:
>tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>is it okay for me to eat
>>Lucky Charms or not? 
>
>I can't believe this!!!!  Lucky Charms is my favorite cereal!!!  It is a staple
>food for me.  When it is available, I eat it with every meal!!!!  I even have
>Lucky Charms box covers on my wall!!!!  Yes those Christian symbols do exist:
>the star, fish and omega.  I don't know if they really were put there for
>a Christian purpose.  Luck however is not Christian.  Luck denies that God is
>in control and atributes that which God accompliches to a pagan type god.  
>[...]
>	DJ
>		the Social Guy

Sorry! The phrase "Good Luck" is actually taken from the Olde English blessing
"God's Luck." The idea of luck really means a blessing from God. Luck
therefore takes on the concept of God's providing for His people. Check out
the origin in any phrase book. It did not start as a pagan idea.

Dan
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From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: KING'S X--anybody got the lyrics?
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:55:13 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Bought the new 'King's X' cassette last night, listened to it with a friend,
and really enjoyed it. It's not quite as good as 'Faith, Hope & Love'--but I
expect it'll grow on me in time. King's X--talented musicians, and excellent
lyricists...definitely one of the better religious bands on the market. Does
anybody out there have the lyrics to this album? Especially the songs: 'Lost
In Germany", "Prisoner", and "Not Just For The Dead"??? (a pity, they didn't
include the lyric sheet) Thanks, I'd appreciate it. CHRISTOPHER