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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: women in science
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:04:04 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

> What the top 4 sciences have in common is that all involve working
> with *people* either directly or as subject matter.  I can think of
> 2 things that may be going on here: 
> 
> 1. that girls/women are more often choosing/being-encouraged-in
> fields that will help them take care of the families they
> expect/are-expected to have  (eg. Dr. Mom)
> 
> 2. that girls/women are more often choosing/being-encouraged-in
> fields that will make them feel they can help people
> 
> Personally, in a field where the subjects are machines, I sometimes
> feel dissatisfied with the most frequent reason being that my work is
> not helping humanity, nor does it have practical applications to my
> family/home life.  That is, it has no social redeeming value.  But
> I keep at it because the money's good and it's secure and etc,
> i.e. very selfish reasons.  I have several women friends who also
> seek out charity work and so on due to similar urges, but I also
> notice many women at work who appear to have no problem at all with
> living the good life while others suffer.  They seem to be the ones
> most often getting promoted!
> 
> Whether the urge to do good things is something innate in an
> individual or something socialized more or less according to gender
> is something I couldn't even say about myself, much less anyone 
> else.  So I'll leave that question as an exercise for the reader. ;-)
> -- 
> Krista Anderson, att!ihlpf!krista

Its interesting that you use the word choose (we don't have to know why
you choose- ie socialization etc).  An observation available at the institution
I work at is that some women have chosen to work at jobs that are salaried at
a lower level but are in line with the things/people dimension Krista refers
to.  One is a chemist and the other is an archeologist - both are very happy
as secretaries.  I haven't been able to find homologous examples among the
males that work here.  I don't know how widespread this is.  Krista states
that she would sooner work in an area that involved people but that the work
that she does pays better so she continues with it.  Some of the recent work
coming out of the Kibbutz reveal similar choices among women.  I don't think
we will have equality until we stop compensating at a higher level work 
men choose often over work women choose often.  I know there will be a
lot of posts "pointing out" that jobs dominated by men are somehow more 
important to society or carry more responsibility but this is all 
rationalization of the status quo from a particular cultural perspective in
my opinion.

Ron
From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bone-muscle lever types
Keywords: bone muscle levers
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:15:48 PDT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:

> In article <HiuoRB1w165w@sound.cts.com> markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold
> In general, *every* combination of muscle and joint is some sort 
> of lever.  The actual type depends on how it is being used (lifting 
> an object, working isometrically against another muscle, etc).  Now 
> I suppose there are some joints that are not really flexed by a muscle, 
> since I suppose you know the name of more joints than there are 
> elementary particles, but I think you get the idea.  

Yes, I agree. My question was this. I am looking for type 1 and type 2
joints in the body. I am not looking for any type 3 joints in the body
which are the VAST majority. 

Thanks for the thought though
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: low thyroid levels, but not hypothyroid
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:31:52 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Sep29.202915.291@news.wesleyan.edu>
 RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>there are some MDs (who do not have much respect or data to back them,
>apparently) who treat "subclinical hypothyroid",  i.e., they give pts thyroid
>pills even if their TSH levels are within normal limits.  i believe they are
>generally considered to be "quacks" my most endocrinologists.  i forget what
>the allegedly supporting reasoning behind this is...

There is a non-quack position on what I believe some people call 
subclinical hypothyroidism.  This is in patients with normal levels
of thyroid hormone (and who clinically seem normal) but who have
high levels of TSH, as if the brain is pushing a thyroid gland that
is beginning to fail.  Some people think that these patients should
be treated with thyroid hormone for a number of reasons (including
effects on lipid metabolism and the concern that they could develop
clinical hypothyroidism without anyone noticing).
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Potato as folk remedy for eye burns?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 06:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


My optometrist told me today that welders have told her a good rememdy
for flash burns of the eyes is to rub them with (presumably raw) potato.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 17:49:37 MST
From: <CXKPV@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: American Medical Association warns of illegal drug importation

In article <9210060021.AA20123@lambada.oit.unc.edu>,
Nigel.Allen@lambada.oit.unc.edu says:
>
>   Using their credit cards, American consumers can usually order
>these medications by toll-free telephone call, often at greatly
>reduced prices and apparently without a doctor's prescription.

Sounds good to me.

>   The promotion and distribution of unapproved drug products within
>the United States is illegal.  Among the AMA's other concerns are
>questions of quality, self-prescription and lack of medical
>supervision which could pose a significant risk to a patient's
>health.

Among the AMA's other concerns are the reduced need for competent citizens to
shell out a hundred bucks to have the privilige of being able to get a piece
of paper which will allow them to buy a refined chemical packaged in pill form.

>...AMA...has reminded physicians that U.S. pharmaceutical houses have
>established programs enabling those with modest resources to obtain
>expensive drug products.
>
Where? What programs? How do I sign up? What is the cost of buying drugs from
these programs compared to buying them overseas?
From: sudesh@utkal.njit.edu (T. J. Sudesh)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Milk v/s Soymilk
Keywords: Which is better????
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:25:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Sep30.182528.16852
Followup-To: sci.med.nutrition
Organization: N.J.I.T


    Hi,
	Just a few days ago someone had posted about "D-West soymilk" and its
	"goodness".But the gentleman failed to mention about its availibility.
	I tried everywhere, but in vain.People at "shoprite"/"Foodtown" have 
	never even heard of such a product.Could someone kindly elucidate on 
	its availibility ?
				Also where does it stand when compared with
	our goodold Milk ? I mean does it have the same amount of 								          proteins/vitamins/fat 
	minerals etc and what about their "Bioavailibility".I personally cannot
	drink milk as I seem to be allergic to the same, so an equivalent sub 
	would be just great.
					Looking forward to an interesting 
								discussion.

							warm regards,
								sudesh.
From: ccs10@ccc.amdahl.com (Charles C Stanley)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Info Wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: ccs10@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Charles C Stanley)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Hi gang,

I looking for people with ulcertive colitus.  I have it and want to share
my experiences with other who have it too.  In the hopes that I will better
understand my problem and hope to deal with it.  So if you know someone or
if you have it, please Email me.  We just might be able to help each other.

Peace,
Chuck Stanley
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From: culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper)
Subject: Glycemic Index Book
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:05:34 GMT


  Can anyone recommend a good book that lists the glycemic indexes of most
foods? Anyone? Anyone?


Thanks,
Allen

Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:753 talk.politics.animals:8582
From: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:07:57 GMT
Reply-To: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Organization: Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Oct1.041029.27640@samba.oit.unc.edu>, 
Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:

>    The American Medical Association is alarmed by today's allegation
> that milk is dangerous and should not be required or recommended in
> government guidelines.  There is absolutely no scientific proof to
> support such a claim.

Zero? Nada? Nil? Zilch?

>    The fact that breast milk is more healthy for infants than cow
> milk is well documented.  Responsible research established this fact
> years ago.

Sounds like there's at least SOME scientific support for the claim. Not 
complete support for the whole claim, but SOME support for the claim.

>    For instance, we know that whole milk has the potential for
> causing health problems in children up to 12 months and that breast
> milk is recommended during that period.  However, whole milk has been
> found to be nutritious for children 12 to 24 months and milk products
> for children 24 months or older.

This only suggests that "recommended" might be kept, but says nothing about 
"required". Science question: how did humans evolve to *require* cow's milk?

>    The AMA continues to marvel at how effectively a fringe
> organization of questionable repute continues to hoodwink the media
> with a series of questionable research that fails to enhance public
> health.  Instead, it serves only to advance the agenda of activist
> groups interested in perverting medical science.
>    The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is an
> animal "rights" organization and, despite its title, represents less
> than .005 of the total U.S. physician population.  Its founder,
> Dr. Neil Barnard, is also the scientific advisor to People for the
> Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), an organization that supports
> and speaks for the terrorist organization known as the Animal
> Liberation Front (ALF).
 
An effective reminder that the AMA is a political organization first, and a 
scientific one second (or third or ...).

Ted Robinson
tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
These views are mine and not Amdahl's, etc.
From: feifer@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Gluten content of "unusual" grains
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.230914.10904@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes:
>cjross@bbn.com (Chris Ross) writes:
>>With respect to gluten-free diets, most of my nutrition textbooks
>>point to wheat, rye, oats, and barley as the "bad guys" and to rice
>>and corn as the "good guys." (etc...)
>
>Sorry, I may have missed this since I don't have time to read long
>posts. Could you/someone pass on the gist of why this is supposed to be
>a problem. Your 4 "bad guys" are 4 of the 5 I eat (whole, raw) every
>morning.
>

Gluten is supposed to be hard for people to digest, and to some individuals it
is toxic.  I, for one, have Celiac Disease.  ANY gluten in my diet causes the
lining of my small intestine to atrophy.

I am also interested in the original poster's question:  Can anyone comment on
the gluten content of buckwheat, millet, quinoa, amaranth, kamut, and spelt?
From: blair@salem.intel.com (Guy Blair)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Milk is dangerous?
Summary: Is milk really dangerous?
Keywords: milk, health
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:20:21 GMT



I heard a TV News report last night that after you are 1 year old,
milk is quite unhealthy.  One report said, what do you expect, it is designed for calves?  What's the story here?

Dr. Guy

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Juice vs. Soda
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:13:39 GMT

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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: 'Smart Drugs'?
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Keywords: smart drugs vitamins nutrients
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:25:59 GMT

In article <Bv0EMt.2Jo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dang@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Gentry) writes:
>To get to the point:  Has anyone else read or dealt with these vitamins
>and drugs for this purpose?  Would anyone like to share some of their
>thoughts with a curious vitamin novice?

Followups to alt.psychoactives, because I've narrowed the thread to
non-vitamins.

A problem when researching "smart drugs" is that journalists and
other enthusiasts tend to refer to dubious 1954 Romanian studies and
such.  You might look at Volume 20 of Iversen, Iversen, and Snyder's
"Handbook[!] of Psychopharmacology", which has fairly recent papers
on cholinergics, vasoactives, and pyrrolidone derivatives, with nice
bibliographies to boot.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:49:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <76GM02cV24DC01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson) writes:
>
>Science question: how did humans evolve to *require* cow's milk?

Yet another example of the "establish a straw man" school of debate.

Brian
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Glycemic Index Book
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:27:09 GMT

> culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper) writes:
>
>  Can anyone recommend a good book that lists the glycemic indexes of most
>foods? Anyone? Anyone?

Here's the glycemic index of some foods (from a Muscle&Fitness article).
I've just read in a nutrition book, however, that the glycemic
indices refer to the food taken alone on an empty stomach.  Eating them
in combination with other foods will alter their rate of absorption,
so it is not really clear how helpful knowing the GI for a particular
food is in practice.

Note too that other factors include how a food is cooked.   I suspect
the number listed below for carrots is for cooked carrots and that raw
carrots would be much lower.

But here's some of them:

Sugars			Cereals			Dairy
Glucose		100	Cornflakes	80	Ice Cream	36
Fructose	 20	Oatmeal		49	Skim Milk	32
Maltose		105	Shredded wheat	67	Whole Milk	34
Sucrose		 59

Grains			Veggies			Legumes
White Bread	 69	Beets		64	Baked Beans	40
Whole Wheat	 72	Carrots		92	Butter beans	36
Brown rice	 66	Potatoes	70	Soy Beans	15
White rice	 72	Yams		51	Frozen Peas	51
Corn		 59

Fruit			Misc
Apples		 39	Honey		87
Bananas		 62	Mars Bar	68
Oranges		 40	Peanuts		13
Grapefruit	 26	Potato chips	51
Raisins		 64

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik)
Subject: Snoring and foods
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:37:45 GMT


A year ago I snored like a fiend (windows would rattle downstairs -however no sleep
apnea)... I then altered my nutrition, and 
dropped 80 pounds through verious non-invasive means. 

Snoring stopped -probably as much from the mechanical changes of going from
a size 21 neck to a size 16 1/2 neck as from anything else.

I have stabilized at this weight for over 6 months, and with moderation
can eat damn near anything.... But concentrate on things totalling
under 2 fat exchanges per day .. (ie under 2 tsp of oil)

Now after several months of being "stable" I find that I am snoring again.
- No other changes .  Any thoughts out there in Net-land
ie snoring vs allergies, or allergy build up to certain foods.

I eat a lot of carbos, and veggies. -mostly in the cole family
ie Broccoli cauliflower etc, -Is it possible that allergens
(if that be the cause) take months to build up again to the
point where "snoring " happens.

IE I have nothing but questions about this ..
Any help would be appreciated (wear earplugs is not help!:-()
RIchard

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From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Calorie Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:59:55 GMT
Organization: Rumor Control inc.

Alcohol is ethyl-alcohol or CH3CH2OH, Because is entirely composed of carbon,
oxygen and hydrogen it is a "carbohydrate". Because the term is commonly
used in a broad sense to refer to a those hexose sugars that make up a large
part of our diets, the general guideline of 4 calories/ gram may only apply
to those common "simple sugars" and "starches". If we talk carbohydrates
composed of different molecular structures, we would expect the energy that
can be derived from a particular metabolic pathway to vary with respect to a 
specific amount of those molecules or even more so when different pathways 
are involved.

This brings up a great fallacy that I have discussed over many a 
"carbohydrate". I have had friends insist that light beers have no less 
alcohol than the more manly :) brews that I prefer. As pointed out, there
are no calories in beer from proteins, fats or carbohydrates other than
alcohol. Fewer calories = less alcohol.

Now back to "carbo-loading",

Jim
J. Graham
Indiana University -Bloomington
................Il n'y a pas des sciences apliquees, mais il y a
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med
From: bsmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Barry Smith)
Subject: Become an RD or get an MBA? 
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:56:27 GMT

I am not sure if this the appropriate newsgroup for this query, but it seems
to be a good reference point.  My fiance' is graduating from Purdue with a
B.S. in Nutrition.  She is now deciding whether she wants to get her RD
or to go to graduate school to receive an MBA in Health Care Administration.
Any comments?

- Would it be bad to skip her RD?
- How much does an MBA help? What doors does it open in the health care field?

Thanks so much for the replies, in advance of course.

-Barry
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Gluten content of "unusual" grains
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman) wrote:
> Well, I once had a room-mate who suffered from Celiac's disease.

"Coeliac" or "celiac" - it's named after an adjective, not a person.

> She was one of the 'lucky' ones who could digest oatmeal-products, so
> oat-bran muffins became a staple around the house.
> We tried EVERYTHING: buckwheat, millet, quinoa, amaranth, kamut, and spelt,
> rice, potato, tapioca, cous-cous, etc, etc ....

Cous-cous is a wheat product, produced by cracking wheat, partially cooking
it, and then drying it.  (Anyone know exactly how it differs from bulghur?
Longer cooking time?)  It is just as dangerous as bread for someone with
coeliac disease.

You left out one very obvious starch source there: maize.

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Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:787 talk.politics.animals:8641
From: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:32:18 GMT
Reply-To: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Organization: Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <jpdp-7c@lynx.unm.edu>, bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:

Ted Robinson) writes:
>>
>>Science question: how did humans evolve to *require* cow's milk?


> 
> Yet another example of the "establish a straw man" school of debate.
> 
 
Can you elaborate?

Ted Robinson
tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
These views are mine and not Amdahl's, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Cooking/Heating Protein--Last Beating of A Dead Horse??
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:09:09 GMT

In article <jm-pw6c@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.173912.4138@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>
>>>If you live in a first-world country, even if the above is true,
>>>you will hardly develop malnutrition as a result of dietary deficiency
>>>of the above amino acids. It just doesn't seem to happen, presumably
>>>because most people in affluent countries eat several times more
>>>protein than they really need.
>> 
>>I didn't think they were referring to kwashiorkor.
>
>What clinical condition are they then referring to?
 
The entire chapter in "Diet And Disease" dealt with the inadequate American
diet & the factors, such as cooking, which contributed to nutrient depletion.

Thanks for your comments.
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