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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Saddles
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:

>On the advice of a friend who has ridden many a mile in one, I purchased
>a Selle Italia Titanium Flite last Summer and I haven't been disappointed.
>After 2,000+ miles of riding I think I can confidently say when it
>wears out I'll be purchasing another. Don't let its almost total lack of
>padding and ultra-featherweight feel fool you, it's a damn good saddle.

And it may wear out soon.  I used one from March to October this season
(~3000 miles) and got it wet a couple of times.  The cover (perforated
leather) came unglued most of the way around the underside perimeter
of the saddle.  I also found that the leather had worn completely through
from rubbing against the saddle rails about a third of the way back
from the nose.  I weigh about 180 lbs so lighter riders may not have
this trouble.

I found the saddle to be quite comfortable but can't unconditionally
recommend it because of these wear issues.

David Mackintosh
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 15:31:53 MST
From: Daryl Martin <ICDDM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Marzocchi xc100's FOR SALE

I still have a pair of Marzocchi's for sale $200.00 + shipping. This is a
smoking deal as they are $350.00 + tax new and these are like new. In the
box, mostly road miles. please respond to me on e-mail
  (ICDDM@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU or ICDDM@ASUACAD.BITNET)
From: marc@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com (Marc Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Avocet inaccuracy, was Re: Avocet 50 "Climber" Problem
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:07:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Avocet 50

In article <40557@unix.SRI.COM>, brent_silver.msidb@qm.sri.com writes:
(stuff deleted)
> I also suggested to Avocet that they should keep track of what goes on on the
> Net.  They said that their consultant, Jobst Brandt, keeps them informed on
> what is said about Avocet on the Net.  So your comments (presumably even this
> one) do get back to Avocet.

If that's true, Jobst, you should know that since my original posting about
low speed inaccuracy with an Avocet 40, I have had quite a few replies
(postings and direct email) from others with the same problem.  Since I was
lucky enough to have an extra unit (which I'd planned on putting on my track
bike) I tried a little experiment.  I changed the magentic ring (which 
Avocet calls the "transmitter") -- no change.  I then changed the "receiver"
with cable -- no change.  Finally, I changed the only other component, the
computer itself, and presto!... accurate readings down to 1-2 mph.  The only
thing I didn't try was changing the battery, but I assumed that a low 
battery would cause the display to dim before it caused inaccurate speed
readings.  Tonight I go back to my bike shop to see if they'll take the unit
back without a receipt :-(

Marc Lee
HP San Diego
marc@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com 
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From: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Denver Bike Shops
Reply-To: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.233503.17310@mprgate.mpr.ca>, alfano@ (Nicholas Alfano) writes:
>Could some one suggest one or two good bike stores to visit in 
>downtown Denver, CO? I am interested in road racing and time
>trialing, not mountain biking.

I would check out Turin bikes and The Denver Spoke.  Both are good pro shops
and have friendly, intelligent employees.  If you want a custom frame, try
taking a drive to Lousiville (near Boulder about 10 miles west of Denver.  Zinn
bikes is located here and I know of friends who have all sorts of exotic
carbon, aluminum, and other bikes and swear by their Zinn.  He takes all the 
measurements and then builds the bike to fit you.  Quality stuff

Brett Taylor

>
>I'm in the market for a new frame among other things.
>
>Thanks
>
>-- 
>Nicholas P. Alfano (Nick)
>Mail Station 24B, Dept. D47
>MPR Teltech Ltd.
>8999 Nelson Way				Phone: (604) 293 5342
>Burnaby, BC				Fax: (604) 293 5787
>Canada V5A 4B5				Email: alfano@mprgate.mpr.ca
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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Seeking non-anodized sew-up rims
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:03:21 GMT

daveh@heart.tv.tek.com (David M. Hayes) writes:
: In article <1992Nov19.092207.20711@walter.cray.com> bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz) writes:
: >Dark rims
: >either weigh 25% more or are extremely fragile and, as Jobst says, to make
: >up for it they cost more.
: >
: "Extremely fragile" is, in my experience, a gross exaggeration.

I agree with David.  In my experience the anodization has not seemed to
make any noticeable difference in strength.  A GP-4 acts a lot like a
Montlhery Pro, a GL-330 like a Montlhery Legere, etc.  Among widely
available rims around 350g, I'd recommend the GL-330.  They weigh about
350g, and seem to me to be about as stout as Arc-En-Ciels.  The only
disadvantage is cost.  If you can find the non-anodized ones, definitely
get them instead.

: (The Crit wheels used to have Fiamme "Ergal" rims that may even have
: been lighter). 

Gee David, what happened to your Ergals :-( I seem to remember that I
owe you one after taking you out at the Tour De Vine crit.  BTW, Ergals
weigh around 285g.  Seriously, I do have one unused Ergal left that I'd
be happy to give you to help assuage my guilt.

: I've never had trouble with
: loose eyelets with these rims, as I have with GEL280s (they tend to "creak").

I've also had GEL-280 rims start to creak, but it never seemed to affect
their strength.  The noise can be somewhat annoying.

: If you can use 36 hole rims, I have one (maybe two, I'll have to look) Fiamme
: Red Label--never used--that I could probably be persuaded to part with.

Red Labels weigh right around 360g, so they're about what Bob S. is looking
for.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Road rims for rough terrain
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:52:52 GMT

In article MHn@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca, praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.170810.21622@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>>Take a look at the Mavic Mod3D.  It's about 3mm wider than the MAs
>>and is quite strong (it's commonly spec'd on tandems).  I have two
>
>I have never understood what people see in wide rims.  My MTB rims are about
>2mm wider than my road bike rims.

Well, for one thing Mavic and other rim manufacturers recommend
different rim widths for different tire widths. If you put a fat tire
on a narrow rim you are no longer complying with the manufacturers'
recommendations. The first thing that will happen is that the measured
tire width will be off (the "missing" part of rim is supposed to be
included for the circumference of the cross-section to be right). This
is purely cosmetic but can partially explain why there are such
discrepancies between tire manufacturers' stated tire sizes and what
users measure on their bikes.

The second thing that will happen is that the bead seat will be
different than the designers intended. The fatter tire will "bulge"
sideways over the rim more and this can affect the fit of the bead. It
all depends on exactly how supple the tire sidewall is. With a soft
thin-walled tire this will normally not be a problem. If the tire has a
thicker sidewall (many cheaper tires do) you can get a poorer fit and
possibly blow-offs.

The third thing you will get is that the bulging tire sidewall is more
likely to rub against your brakepads, which can cause unpleasant
blow-outs (when braking hard...) if you're not careful to adjust them
frequently.

For comparison, if memory serves me right, Mavic recommend the M-2 rim
module for tires up to 25 mm (1"). For 28 - 32 mm tires (1 1/8 - 1 1/4")
they recommend the M-3 size and for 35 mm and up they have the
Module-4 - "For tandems and heavy expeditioneering". That's what I have
in the rear wheel on my LWB 'bent. Bombproof.

---
 Torsten Lif                          |   Upright bicycles are
 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/AD    |   a pain in the ass!
 S-126 25  STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN          |   
 Tel: +46 8 719 4881                  |   Be comfortable - ride a recumbent.

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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:41:07 GMT

>In article <1edrdaINN2tn@rave.larc.nasa.gov> k.h.goodrich@larc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>   Is your body really working harder because of the need to generate heat?
>   --When I ride in both the winter and summer my body sweats, suggesting
>   an excess of heat.  I think winter riding may be more difficult due to the
>   additional drag, aerodynamic and skin friction (aero humor),of wearing
>   more clothes.

Yes. It requires energy to heat your body. In cold weather your body
tyurns up the thermostat in various ways. You excercise to generate
excess heat. If you aren't exercising you may shiver which does the same
thing. In any case, energy is lost and in some cases a significant
portion of your available energy is expended keeping warm.

Other problems: you wear heavier clothes which require more energy to
flex and to carry about. These heavier clothes also slightly restrict
your breathing. Not much but put together these things tire you faster.

In very cold weather the humidity is very low. While exercising you
tend to mouth breath. This greatly dehydrates you, often without your
realizing it. 2% loss in body weight from water loss is said to translate
to a 20% loss in strength. So you have to drink often and certainly before
you feel the need.

I find that mountain biking is a good winter sport since the wind speeds
are generally lower and the energy output (at least in the bay area hills)
is generally higher.

Hey, man, give me my ear-warmers back.
From: k.h.goodrich@larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:35:54 GMT
Organization: NASA-Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
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In article <Bxx4v2.I1M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry
Thiel) writes:
>chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>>Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
>>  1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
>>     (or less).
>>  2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
>>     50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
>>     tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)
>Well you're working alot harder than in the summer.  You should not ride as
>long as you would in the summer becasue your body is expending alot more
>energy trying to stay warm.  I'd suggest riding 3/4 of your normal summer
>distance at most.  if it's really cold then ride half of your normal distance.
>-Terry
>
Is your body really working harder because of the need to generate heat?
--When I ride in both the winter and summer my body sweats, suggesting
an excess of heat.  I think winter riding may be more difficult due to the
additional drag, aerodynamic and skin friction (aero humor),of wearing
more clothes.
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From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Coca-Cola, a power drink?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:24:52 GMT

I am in the process of reading the book _Training for Cycling_ by Davis
Phinney and his wife Connie Carpenter.  It is a very good book and a hard
one to put down.  While reading it, I've run across more than a few things
I didn't know.  For one, both the authors said that some pros use de-fizzed
and diluted Coke in their waterbottles as a power drink.  From what I have
always understood, Coca-Cola uses normal table sugar (sucrose) as the
sweetener, and it takes several hours to metabolize, whereas glucose and
fructose are metabolized within minutes.  Apparently, I am wrong about some-
thing here.  Does anyone know the facts on sucrose and Coke?

Kurt R. Krueger
University of Nebraska at Omaha
kkrueger@unomaha.edu
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Does Hind DryLete really work?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:27:46 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>this DryLete stuff might really deliver the goods!  Does anybody have
>any experience with this stuff?  Is it really so wonderful that I should
>rush out and buy yet another jersey for $70 or did I just get a snow
>job?  
It's pretty good stuff.  You don't really need an excuse to buy a new jersey
do you?  
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pete@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey)
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:55:24 GMT

In article <102420016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>
>Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
>
>  1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
>     (or less).
>
>  2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
>     50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
>     tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)
>


How about this.  Its more anarobic.  Wouldn't that explain number 2.  
and probably number 1.  Various 'things' (air density being one)
make it harder in cold weather.  you probably *should* be using
lower gears to compensate, but your mind is telling you that you
always go at whatever speed, in whatever gear, so you can't get used
to riding at a reduced speed in lower gear.

-- 
Pete Hickey               | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "The trouble with eating
Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  Italian food is that in
University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  five or six days, you're
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  hungry again" G. Brown
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From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Subject: Re: Coca-Cola, a power drink?
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.232452.20374@news.unomaha.edu> kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) writes:

>I am in the process of reading the book _Training for Cycling_ by Davis
>Phinney and his wife Connie Carpenter.  It is a very good book and a hard
>one to put down.  While reading it, I've run across more than a few things
>I didn't know.  For one, both the authors said that some pros use de-fizzed
>and diluted Coke in their waterbottles as a power drink.  From what I have
>always understood, Coca-Cola uses normal table sugar (sucrose) as the
>sweetener, and it takes several hours to metabolize, whereas glucose and
>fructose are metabolized within minutes.  Apparently, I am wrong about some-
>thing here.  Does anyone know the facts on sucrose and Coke?

Sucrose is metabolized quickly.  Not only that but defizzed Coke cut
with 50% water is one of the few palatable drinks when you are
exercising.  Many sports drinks just won't go down when your breathing
hard and your mouth is full of phlem.  Long before Gatorade and Exceed
cyclists were mixing flat Coke with water for their power elixir for
long rides.  

>Kurt R. Krueger
>University of Nebraska at Omaha
>kkrueger@unomaha.edu

Bruce  -  jackson@cs.unt.edu



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Subject: Re: emergency flat repair observed
From: sl1yn@petersboro.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:55:10 MDT
Reply-To: sl1yn@petersboro.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov20.150021.14619@cabell.vcu.edu>, dresler@cabell.vcu.edu (Dan 
|>>I got stuck once  with a blown tube and a ripped sidewall about a mile
|>>or 2 out.  Luckily someone had left pollution -- a milk bottle.  We
|>>cut some of the plastic and inserted it between the tire and the tube.
|>>This post is not to celebrate garbage but rather to recommend that one
|>>take a little piece of milk bottle (say a 1" x 1" square).  Won't add
|>>any weight and it might help.
|>
|>On two separate occassions I've had a similiar problem but I didn't
|>have to look around for garbage -- I used a folded dollar bill. It
|>works fine if the hole/tear is rather small. The second time I even
|>forgot to take it out for a week and had no problems!
|>-- 

  On several occasions I have used the square of sandpaper that comes with
Rema patch kits.


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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Performance Elite jacket
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:54:20 GMT

kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) writes:
>Since I started off this thread a few weeks ago, I have decided to go with
>a different product.  First of all, I decided that if I wanted to stay dry,
>the Performance Elite wouldn't do it because it has no hood and no matching
>pants.  And about the same time, Nashbar came out with a new catalog which
>featured a Prooftex rainsuit which can also double as cool-weather riding
>gear.  To make things complicated, a new Performace catalog showed the

It sounds like you haven't actually ridden in this new Nashbar suit yet. Please
let the net know how you like it when you have.  I was thinking about getting
it myself although I'll probably get something from Pearl Izumi since my local
dealer (Wild Thang) gives me 10% discounts on their stuff.
-Terry

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From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1edrdaINN2tn@rave.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:42:55 GMT

In article <1edrdaINN2tn@rave.larc.nasa.gov> k.h.goodrich@larc.nasa.gov writes:

   Is your body really working harder because of the need to generate heat?
   --When I ride in both the winter and summer my body sweats, suggesting
   an excess of heat.  I think winter riding may be more difficult due to the
   additional drag, aerodynamic and skin friction (aero humor),of wearing
   more clothes.

I've been expecting Dave "Hill" Harvey to focus a few points of illumination
on this topic, but as yet there's none to be had. My theory is that
the denser, cold air is causing extra aerodynamic resistance, thereby
slowing your progress measurably. Using 3mm slicks may help to compensate.

MJ


--
Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw
From: bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:56:58 -0600
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

B
I was told by a doctor one time that the body makes much less efficient use
of very cold air and that therefore any aerobic activity will be harder on
the body in the winter than in the summer. That may explain why we all find
cycling harder right now (at least in the northern hemisphere).
-- 
Andrew G. Bennett         bennett@math.ksu.edu         If you count too
Dept. of Mathematics      Voice: (913) 532-6750        much you turn
Kansas State University   Fax:   (913) 532-7004        purple.  -  SARAH
Manhattan, KS 66502       STRICTLY MY OWN OPINIONS
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: New Bell Helmet w/ the Reebok Pump Sys.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:23:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I was wondering if anybody has the Bell Helment w/ the Reebok Pump sys.  If
you have one or heard anything about it.  I want to know.
From: vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Does Hind DryLete really work?
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:55:54 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

I was haning out in my local bike shop recently, lamenting out loud 
the fact that it seemed that I had purchased just about everything I'd
ever need already.  One of the salespeople took up the challenge, asking
do you have a Hind jersey made with their new DryLete?  It's really
great!  The proceded to give me a rather impressive demo by pouring some
water from a water bottle on the inside of the shirt and within a minute
or less, it was indeed fairly dry inside.  It seemed as if it really had
wicked the water to the outside.  Now all the jersey manufacturers seem
to claim this, but it seemd to me and the salespeople in the store like
this DryLete stuff might really deliver the goods!  Does anybody have
any experience with this stuff?  Is it really so wonderful that I should
rush out and buy yet another jersey for $70 or did I just get a snow
job?  

Thanks!

David Van Nuys, Psychology Dept., Sonoma State University, 
Rohnert Park, CA 94928
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From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: Does Hind DryLete really work?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:07:00 GMT

vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> I was haning out in my local bike shop recently, lamenting out loud 
> the fact that it seemed that I had purchased just about everything I'd
> ever need already.  One of the salespeople took up the challenge, asking
> do you have a Hind jersey made with their new DryLete?  It's really
> great!  The proceded to give me a rather impressive demo by pouring some
> water from a water bottle on the inside of the shirt and within a minute
> or less, it was indeed fairly dry inside.  It seemed as if it really had
> wicked the water to the outside.  Now all the jersey manufacturers seem
> to claim this, but it seemd to me and the salespeople in the store like
> this DryLete stuff might really deliver the goods!  Does anybody have
> any experience with this stuff?  Is it really so wonderful that I should
> rush out and buy yet another jersey for $70 or did I just get a snow
> job?

I have never tried DryLete, but I thought I'd throw in a plug for X-Bio II,
Descente's propriatary fabric.  It wicks away moisture unbelievably well.
I've squirted myself down with a waterbottle on a hot day and was virtually
dry a couple of hills later.  It's very comfortable too.  I think either
Performance or Nashbar has some X-Bio II jerseys on sale for ~$30.

--
Kurt R. Krueger
University of Nebraska at Omaha
kkrueger@unomaha.edu

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