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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:59:03 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: Gregory_G_Greene


 < I missed the reply to my original message regarding Windows being slow >

 GG> >> Last time I checked, my 386sx-16 ran Windows just fine.
 GG> >That's funny, since my 486sx-20 runs (crawls, rather) when I'm using
 GG> >Windows.
 GG> You're 486sx or your graphics card must be terrible then.

Can a graphics card be worse than normal? I haven't had the pleasure (?) of
using a PC with some sort of graphics accelerator, BUT! I don't think that
display update speed is everything! Many applications run at about half the
speed of the DOS equivalent, and not even close if Windoze's "multitasking" is
used! If this isn't Windoze's fault - who's fault is it? Running Workbench 1.3
on an A500 with some expansion memory is fine at most times, when running
WB2.0 with a few commodities (utility programs which reads the input stream
from mouse and keyboard), maybe in eight or sixteen colours, things aren't as
snappy as they used to be. But this is on a 7MHz machine. The Workbench is
VERY snappy on an A3000, both in program execution AND display update.
The A4000 is about 4 times faster in all resolutions of the previous machines,
which is even better.

 GG> I'm running WIN-OS2 ( the same thing as Win3.0 ) on a 33/486

You mean OS/2 with Windows emulation? 

 GG> and its pretty fast.

Compared to what? I've used Windoze 3.0 on an 286 (Argh!), a 386-25/33 and
Windows 3.1 on an 486-33. It wasn't particulary fast on either machine,
compared to an A3000, I felt it like I was waiting on the machine to do what I
told it all the time.


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From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Flickering mania!!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

since there seems to be general confusion on the net about the flicker/
non-flicker of the 4000, would someone who REALLY knows please post 
a TABLE that tells what flickers and what doesn't.....i.e.

Mode                         Flicker w/ Normal NTSC driver     w/DblNTSC

320x200                                   N                        N
320x400                                   Y                        N


or what ever.....ya get my point.


Jim
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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:55:06 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: George_Robbins


 GR> > Hey! As far as I have understood, the DSP is NOT needed for Audio
 GR> > output (even 16-bit stereo, or maybe 8-channels).
     < ... >
 GR> From the description of the "audio matrix" it sounds like some analog
 GR> multiplexing of the audio signals.
     < ... >
 GR> but the DSP is probably the only on that can generate 16-bit audio.

Some people here in this newsgroup seems to claim that a DSP is the only
component capable of producing CD-quality 16-bit audio. This makes me wonder:
how come then that almost (99.9%) every CD player does NOT feature a DSP? And
then - the CD players that DO feature a DSP, only use it to add more
athmosphere to the sound!
I've been thinking of what could happen with the DSP in a multitasking
environment. Suggest you run one program which lays a heavy burden on the DSP,
then you want to play some 16-bit music. 16-bit audio is routed through the
DSP, but the DSP is busy right now... Would we be without music? Or could we
HAVE music, but only when the DSP have a few spare cycles, thus giving us the
odd beep now and then?
I STILL think that a 16-bit Paula is the way to go, with a DSP (or why not
two?) for extra help. Those rumours about a new sound chip co-produced by
Roland which circled around before the release of the A4000 sounded great,
having a sound chip by one of the most competent synthesizer producers around
would be a big advantage. Maybe CBM should start to look in the Roland
direction?

 GR> It could be something better, but don't assume that something nice
 GR> sounding like and audio-maxtrix-subsystem offers more than offered by 
 GR> the basic on-board resources.

A network is better than NO network, don't you think so? Something to think
about as well, for the H/W-guys at CBM?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:08:03 GMT

doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct2.181629.27733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@palm.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>> 
>> Chris Millar derives space requirements for 640x400x 8bitplane for the
>> ST:

 [all of my previous drivel about doing JPEG/MPEG on the Falcon DSP]
 [REPEATED verbatim as preperation for the following one-liner.....]

>
>MPEG on a 56001?????
>

If you're asking a question, please restate it in some meaningful way.  
If you're trying to flame, please do a better job than the above.  In 
the future, CONTRIBUTE something instead of wasting bandwidth.

(Wotta Concept!)

Charles C. Bundy IV
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From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:45:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct13.064506.14933@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>	What was that thing that Apple released, called the System 7
>Tune Up? Wasn't that the program to upgrade the original Quadras to the
>latest version?

NO! NO! NO!  System 7 Tuneup was a patch released to fix a bug appearing
in System 7.0.1 (and 7.0) that affected ALL Macs.  To the best of my
knowledge (I read the bug fix sheet), it contained NO Quadra specific
fixes.

Jess Holle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cmd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher M. Dunphy)
Subject: Played with a 4000 & 600 today...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:59:18 GMT

  I went to a local computer fair over the weekend, and was very pleased
to see that it was nearly 1/2 Amiga orientated.  Even better, I had my
first chance to play with both the 4000 and the 600.  Here is some
comentary...

	600 : I was impressed.  When I first read about this machine
and saw it's pipicture in magazines, I was seriously disapointed.
But now I have seen and used it in person, and I must say that
it is the nicest looking (aestheticly) machine I have seen from
anyone in a long time.  Something about it just radiates a sense
of being a well built quality machine.  Dunno why exactly, but
pass on praise to the case designer.
   I think that they can sell a whole lot of these machines.  The
local dealer had them for $599 with a 40 meg HD.  If this price
is down to $399 for Christmas, and they get them in mass merchants,
there could very easily be one under every tree.  Congrats to
Commodore, it looks like a real winner!

	4000 : Impressive as well.  Unfortunatley the dealer had 
just got his shipment in literally hours before he had to leave
for the computer fair, so he had little time to get it set up
or put anything more than the Art Department and several jpegs on
the HD.  Worse yet, he only managed to grab a older monitor, 1084S
I believe...  So I could not try out any of the more interesting
graphics modes.  But the ones I could put on a 15hz screen were
gorgeous.  HAM 8 is very nice.  Very very nice....  Makes 256
color VGA look kinda like 32 colors dithered.  I liked it, spent
an hour going through all the pictures on the disk...
As to the case -- It looks like a PC  clone.  Not as bad as the
photos in Amazing make it seem, it looks like a good, high end
PC clone.  Not as sleek as the 3000, but not bad looking either.
I will be eager to get one on my desk.  Probably by Christmas.
Anybody have any word on student prices or a powerup deal?
Oh yeah, the dealer at the fair was selling it for $2895, not
bad for a 68040.  Lesee, any other comments.  Hmmm...  I noticed 
a PostScript prefences menu, I'm not sure if that was there
before.  (I still have 1.3 on my 1000 at home)....  Everything
seemed stable, and was FAST rendering jpegs.  I didn't really have
a chance to try out too much else.  Oh yeah, tried to run
Air Support (new game from Psygnosis)...  Had to use the boot menu
to turn of the cache, and then the game would play fine, but
for some reason the intro demo would lock up and hang.  Weird,
but I only tried it once so it could have been some random
cosmic ray.  My dealer also had a few rumors, but sorry,
I'm not going to go blabbing off just yet until I feel they
are a bit more substantiated..... :)

	Chris Dunphy  (cmd1@cec2.wustl.edu)

          Amiga 1000 owner and proud of it!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:36:17 GMT

>OS/2 is sitting on the shelf of virtually every person who paid $75 to get it.

	Just a nit-pick, only paid 49.95 for it myself ( Windows Upgrade ).

>The rest are trying to figure out how to get digitized sound out of a PC 
>running it and how to run MPC titles under it. In the meantime there's the
>promise of OS/2 ver2.1 which all hope will settle many questions.
> 
>The basic facts are:
> 
>(1) OS/2 is very, very nice.
>(2) It's not selling well.

	Sure, it may not be selling as well as windows, but 1.7 million
    copies sold in 7 months is not exactly chopped liver.

>(3) The 1500 apps that IBM keeps talking about are hidden away in a vault.

	This is the big problem.  Got to get those apps out soon.
> 
>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Will the big American "change" give the Amiga a chance?
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:39:48 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Mon 12 Oct 92 10:26, Nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (neal Wickha
wrote:

 NW> I'll lay some more deep subliminal advertising/PR BS on ya all.  C= 
 NW> should really try and push the new Amigas now.  America wants change.
 NW>  I
 NW> think Bill Clinton is a chinch to win the presidency and we will be 
 NW> entering a new era in American culture.  The established authorities
 NW> are
 NW> already beaten.  This will have side affects in marketing with such
 NW> things

What a nitwit. If your life is so pathetic that you actually believe that a
POLITICIAN can improve it, go ahead and pull the Donkey lever. Slick
Willie's "Double Bubba" ticket won't change a damn thing.


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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Jokes on Politics... kill if you don't want to read it (Re: Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:05:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
[daveh wrote]
>>
>>	"Vote Clinton/Gore: Haynie like 'em, MB doesn't"

>   Go ahead and vote for them.  I have decided that if the country elects a
>flower child and an environmental activist -- both closet socialists -- as
>President and VP, the country deserves everything that happens to it.

>   BTW, Clinton wants to raise taxes sky-high on foreign companies that do
>business in the U.S.  Has it occurred to you that Commodore is a foreign
>company?

Mmm... Marc is actually right for this time... 


Dave, 
	1) Bush is willing to give China MFN status.
	2) Hong Kong will soon go back to China
	3) Commodore has heavy investment in Hong Kong...

Mmm... very interesting.  Commodore employees, please don't let Marc and
my observations stop you from voting your idea president.

>>-- 
>>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
>> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>>              "I got a pocket full of kryptonite" -Spin Doctors

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Yours sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

PS: since this has nothing to do with .hardware, I have redirected it
    to .advocacy.  All follow-ups-->c.s.a.advocacy

PPS: BTW, if these political jokes get too out of hand, please stop.
From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:39:07 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <35533@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

> Well, the NeXT proved that a DSP was more powerful as a sales feature
> and a way of selling disk drives than really adding something that the
> average use of the machine takes advantage of.  Does this make the
> Atari DSP 4 times as useless?  8-)

   There's nothing to write to my mother with the Atari DSP. The Motorola
56001 is a pretty old DSP (about 10 years old), and cannot even compare
with the newer 96001. NeXTdimension features one, and it screams. I'm
just hoping that the well talked-about Amiga's DSP will be a 96001, or
the AT&T one. (Can you give us a clue? 8-])

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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga in Encyclopedia ad on TV.
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:44:08 GMT

In article <torrie.718692901@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
> 
>>fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>	The local cable co. channel had the 'insert Workbench v1.3' 
>>>	screen on Fri, Sat, and Sun.  It was kind of amusing.  I 
>>>	must have watched it for 3 hours waiting for my TV to reboot :-)
> 
>>What, you sat in front of your TV for 3 hours watching the insert
>>Workbench v1.3 screen?  Personally, I prefer watching paint dry :-)
	Strange. 
>   The student TV station here on campus had a Guru meditation error
> screen on their channel for the entire 3 months of summer
> vacation.
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
> Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
> "...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
>  and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
-- 

	Here at Ball State University (look for our review in an upcoming 
Playboy issue :-)  we have this thing called VIS.  The VIS system consists of
TVs in classrooms throughout the campus hooked up to a control panel and a
campus phone.  The central brain service area is in the basement of the library.

	The neatest thing about this is that teacher's don't have to order 
projectors and Video services assistants with it.  Some of you other people might
have heard of it.  

	Over the summer, for two hours, I watched a guru meditation display on
my VIS terminal at the lab I was working.  It had occured on the menu screen,
thus locking the TV channels accessable by VIS out.  

	Sure enough, my patience was rewarded.  The machine that runs VIS (at
least it ran VIS during last summer) is an Amiga with about 5 megabytes of RAM,
and a Hard Drive that I estimate to be around a hundred megabytes.  They use 
TV*TEXT to display the main menu screen.

	So, I wouldn't consider it stupid to watch these.  You can learn some
interesting things about what kind of Amiga systems other people have.  (I
was chagrined that they were still running Workbench 1.3 or 1.2  I don't
remember which.)

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:56:23 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct7.215844.29794@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.134945.12158@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
> >>>So to the best of my understanding, a 25MHz '040 really is 25MHz as
> >>>far as the internal processing units are concerted.
> >>
> >>Which of course says nothing about the operational speed since you
> >>don't know how many internal clock ticks are needed for a certain
> >>operation and wether the 486 may need twice that many.
> >
> >He's also, if I understand him, wrong.  The 25 MHz 040 expects a two clocking
> >lines... one at 25MHz used for bus timing and another at 50MHz used for the
> >chip's internal PCLK.  It's pretty much the same clock speed scheme that the
> >DX2 Intel chips have, except that they take in only the slower clock signal
> >and then they internally double it through a PLL.
> 
> I'm aware that PCLK is 50MHz.  A PLL is used to synchronize PCLK and
> BCLK internally, not to double PCLK.  But hey, don't take my word for
> it...I thought the same as you did the last time this issue surfaced,
> but then a Moto employee (Skipper Smith, I believe?) posted to the
> contrary.  I have no reason to doubt his information.

This sounds confused.

Motorola requires and externally generated PCLK and BCLK.  The two are
required to be synchonous and very closely aligned, so I doubt that there
is any PLL involved in the chip.

Motorola specifies the part speed by the BCLK or PCLK/2 frequency.

Intel (on their clock doubled chips) require only one clock, which is
internally doubled, probably with a PLL.
Intel specifies these parts by the speed for the doubled clock.

Of the two, the Intel approach is easier to deal with in the system,
assuming that detail specification don't deteriorate.  Generating
the two clocks for the '040 is a pain and you'd really like so assume
that if you have separate bus clocks and processor clocks, then you
ought to be able to have them asynchronous.
From: lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Essence of flame
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:31:07 GMT
Reply-To: lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: homonyms, spelling checkers
Summary: English is fun

In article <dillon.0pem@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>    Actually, I did mean 'lose', but 'loose' works too :-)  Still, just
>    because I don't use a spelling checker on my freetalk doesn't make the
>    article any better or worse then one in which one does.

>    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US

This brings up an interesting point:  spelling checkers are of limited
use.  The funniest example I've seen was posted in rec.humor.funny,
submitted by Alan Munn.  The original was anonymously scrawled on a
blackboard at Purdue. 
    
    SpellBound

    I have a spelling checker
    It came with my PC;
    It plainly marks four my revue
    Mistakes I cannot sea.
    I've run this poem threw it
    I'm sure your pleased too no.
    It's letter perfect in it's weigh.
    My checker tolled me sew.
          -- Pennye Harper

(No, I'm not trying to be picky; I just wanted to share an amusing
observation.  I'm also amused by the use of 'spell checker' for
'spelling checker':  does the former help to ensure that you've
correctly gone through the motions of casting your magic-missle 
spell?  :-)

  -- John

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