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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Jan. 2
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:34:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.000545.9446@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <POPOVICH.93Jan5032527@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>
>>Maybe some of the Rangers fans don't like the way Iron Mike has a
>>habit of disappearing in the playoffs (except for last year, when you
>>couldn't blame him for the Rangers' loss to the Pens).  Historically,
>>he does seem to develop a dead eye for that goalpost in the playoffs
>>each year.  Hit that iron, Mike :-).  I guess there's just something
>>about the month of April that doesn't get along with Mike Gartner ;-).
>
>Well, I must say that I don't believe it.  Gartner's career playoff scoring
>(22 goals and 31 assists for 53 points in 68 games entering last season, and
>he did quite well this past playoffs) is a tad off his career regular season
>scoring (498 goals and 460 assists for 958 points in 929 games), but remember
>that all players lose scoring, on the average, in the playoffs due to tougher
>competition.  And 68 games is a very small sample; it's certainly less than
>one season's worth of games.
>

Compared to the illustrious company he is keeping on the all-time goal-
scoring list, it does represent a pretty significant drop off in
production...and to anyone who had to endure Gartner's playoff
performances, knows full well that the goals and assists he did 
get were soft goals and assists...not clutch goals and assists.

68 games is a small sample...because the teams Gartner has been on
mostly lose.  Gartner has almost never contributed when the playoff
opponents are a worthy match...his points and rare series wins have
only come when the team he has been on has been clearly superior.

Gerald

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS NEWS: Williams recalled
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:37:39 GMT

With Doug Wilson hurt because of a bruised foot, the Sharks called up
defenseman David Williams, who was outstanding in 56 games for the Sharks
last season, being solid defensively while leading the defensemen with 28
points (3 goals and 25 assists), but apparently was not very impressive in
training camp.  Williams, 25, is expected to play tonight against the Montreal
Canadiens in Sacramento.

Here are some of Williams' stats:

Williams, David.	D	S: R	6' 2", 195 lbs.

Season	Team			GP	G	A	PIM
'86-87	Dartmouth (ECAC)	23	2	19	20
'87-88	Dartmouth		25	8	14	30
'88-89	Dartmouth		25	4	11	28
'89-90	Dartmouth		26	3	12	32
'90-91	New Haven (AHL)		57	14	11	278
	Muskegon (IHL)		14	1	2	4
'91-92	Kansas City (IHL)	18	2	3	22
	San Jose		56	3	25	40

Born in Plainfield, New Jersey, he was a 12th round pick by the Devils in the
1985 draft, but never signed with them.  He signed at the beginning of the
'91-92 season with the Sharks as a free agent.

===============================================================================
[Under construction; I have to think about who to jinx next; I have already
jinxed Gretzky, Hackett, and Ozolinsh]
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Man Byng
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:18:26 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <C0rH6x.K36@mach1.wlu.ca> hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
>There seems to be much discussion of presenting a new trophy to a player
>who has both toughness and skill to be called the Man Byng.  I
>did not copy the articles that contained these comments because they were
>getting rather long.
>
>The proposed way to define the winner of this trophy is to add both the PIM
>and points of a player.  I argue that this is wrong, and it biases the
>award in favour of unskilled players.  To be entirely fair both totals of
>points and PIMs should be standardized first and then added.  This way the
>two variables will be comparable.  If the variables are not standardized
>then you are adding two different measurements.  It is quite easier to amass
>penalty minutes then points, and again the winner would probably be a player
>of lower skill.  Standardizing the variables into Z score format would
>eliminate any of these problems.

What the heck is "Z score format"??

I agree that just adding points and PIM will bias the goons (ie. it's alot
easier for McSorely to pick up 10 PIM in a game than 10 points).
My proposal would be to simply take the minimum between PIM and points to
determine the winner of the Man Byng.

                 Points       PIM        min(Points,PIM)
Kevin Stevens     145         223             145
Gary Roberts      121         201             121
Doug Gilmour      134         101             101
.
.                        
Mario Lemieux     203          22              22
Marty McSorely     11         401              11
Stu Grimson         4         423               4

>Len Hunt

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 09:15:38 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier

In article <1993Jan4.135442.16597@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken
Kaufman) says:
>
>Last Wednesday, the Washington Capitals held their segment of the NHL
>skills competition.  The highlight of this event was AL Iafrate's
>attempt in the Hardest Shot competition - his slapper was recorded at
>101.4 mph (163.2 km/h for those of you north and east of the border).
>According to the announcements at Friday's game, this was the first time
>a puck had been meassured at over 100 mph.
>
>--Ken
Maybe some one can confirm or refute this --

I remember reading about some sports show in Canada (perhaps in Toronto?)
that had a shot measuring device as an exhibit. [This took place right
after the first Canada/Soviet Union series in '72]  All the "big guns" of
the NHL were invited to participate (including Bobby Hull, who had just
signed with Winnipeg of the WHA).  Many shots were recorded well over 100mph.
The big winner was also a big surprise.  It was Paul Henderson, the "hero" of
game 8.  His shot was measured over 120mph.

This was the reason I was surprised that the recent skills competition speeds
were "so slow."

Of course, this may all have been some publicity stunt.  Or, the measuring
device may not have been as accurate then as they are today.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN Changes Game for Tommorrow
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:51:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <Jan07.234726.27331@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>Couple notes:
>
>ESPN has changed their game for tommorrow to Winnipeg-Los Angeles.  They
>also have games scheduled for the next two weeks.

Yes,they certainly did. Kings-Jets was to be aired as the backup in Buffalo
and Long Island markets.
 
>ABC has done their first promo for their NHL coverage, including the words
>"Stanley Cup Playoffs" in what can be seen in 1993.

Some guy calling up SportsRadio in Boston mentioned the promo but the host
was clueless. I'm almost 100% sure that all NHL playoff games will take
over the vacated USFL slots on ABC. Are you ready for afternoon playoff
hockey ? :-)
>
>Also,  Prime and SportsChannel have officialy merged.  A little late, I
>would say.
>

Yup. The long-rumored Prime merger with SCA has finally bred Prime Sports
Channel America(PSCA) to function as two 24-hour channels. One will have
events,the other sports news and magzine shows. NBC Cable owns 25% and
sells the advertising. Yes,the same outfit was behind the Olympic TripleCast
Bomb.

New England Sports Network(jointly owned by Bruins,Red Sox and Gillet Broadcasting

which owns WBSK-TV38) is in a losing situation since it's Prime affiliate.
SportsChannel New England will most likely take away all of Prime's
prgramming from NESN.

SCNE should emerge as the reginal cable *powerhouse* with much more
fishing shows,college basketball&football plus two sub .500 pro
teams(Whalers and Celtics)! :-)

Note: I put :-) at the end of the sentence above.

-PPV Mark
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Winnipeg Jets
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:28:44 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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In article <C0GBCt.48s@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> gdejong@mobius10.math.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>	Anyone know what the record for goals by a rookie forward in the NHL is?  Selanne has about 32 in 39 games.  I'm guessing that the record is under 60 goals. (I know that Nieuwendyk in his rookie year, slightly passed 50 goals, and I was under the impression that he was near the record, maybe set by Mike Bossy)
>

   Mike Bossy set the standard with 53, followed by Nieuwendyk's 51.  Barring
   injury, it's hard to imagine Selanne not breaking this record.

   Brad

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Subject: Bad Pun
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:29:47 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

I found this in my newspaper today. I thought it might be worth a laugh:

Ottawa (Canadian Press): 

    They may have only three wins in the last three months but even the Ottawa 
Senators aren't that desperate. A 23-year old man who showed up at the NHL 
team's practice on Monday was politely shown the door after 10 minutes on the 
ice. 

    Vincent Pun arrived at the team's practice rink at 7 a.m., before the doors
were open, to try out for the club. He was sporting $1,000 worth of gear he said
he bought the previous day, some price tags intact, and provided his own 
Gatorade. 

    "I knew he didn't know much about hockey because he was running the 
bleachers in his skates", said Senators winger Mike Peluso, who motioned Pun 
onto the ice. 

    "He skates like (defenceman) Brad Marsh", said centre Mark Freer.

    "I heard that", countered Marsh.

    In fact, Pun said it was his first time in full equipment. He listed his
qualifications as power skating, street hockey, and skating on the Rideau Canal.

    Senators head coach Rick Bowness was only partially amused. "Let's make
something perfectly clear. If anybody else shows up like this, I'll lock the
doors. This isn't senior hockey, this is the National Hockey League."

								Alan

P.S. Maybe our Senators contact can expound on this account a bit. Scott?
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Canadiens 4-1
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:49:44 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan5.075336.28514@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>Monday, January 4, 7:00 P. M., at Arco Arena:
>
>The teams were fairly even early in the second period, but later on, the Sharks
>seemed to begin to turn weary from the amount of skating they were forced to do
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heaven forbid that the Sharks were FORCED to do all of that skating.  What
do they think they are, a hockey team?  Montreal is one of the faster teams
in the NHL, but Vancouver, Calgary or Winnipeg can be just as fast.
Did the Sharks wear down because they are used to the puny Cow Palace ice
surface, or do you think this is a conditioning problem?

>===============================================================================
>[Under construction; I have to think about who to jinx next; I have already
>jinxed Gretzky, Hackett, and Ozolinsh]

Is Robitaille next?

>===============================================================================

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: CCDB <CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Thomas Sandstrom
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:22:53 GMT

What's up with Tommy Tomahawk ?? Has he been back at all???
Anyone know if he will be back soon ??? going past 6 weeks
on IR list.

    The Big D


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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: NHL INJURY REPORT FOR 1-12-93
Keywords: injury status
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:05:44 GMT

In article <uq218us@zuni.esd.sgi.com> archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
>
>Add Mark (or was it Tom?) Pederson (D) also injured, out 6 weeks or so.

Actually, both Pedersons are hurt, but Mark (LW) is the more hurt one; he has
a sprained wrist (which is not serious) and a separated shoulder (which is
*very* serious).

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: George L. Shilenko <gelc@gelc.msk.su>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Prognosis
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:33:05 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: gelc
Reply-To: gelc@gelc.msk.su

Would You be so kind as to make prognosis on five following matches,
which would be played at 12 of January ( on Tuesday ) ?

         Montreal Canadiens   -  Hartford Whalers
         New York Rangers     -  Washington Capitals
         Toronto Maple Leafs  -  St.Louis Blues
         Detroit Red Wings    -  Tampa Bay Lightnings
         Edmonton Oilers      -  Winnipeg Jets

Please, send Your answers to gelc@gelc.msk.su  for Roman.

                                   Thanks for all. Roman G. Shilenko, Russia
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Canadiens 4-1
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:20:37 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <unapu3o@zuni.esd.sgi.com> archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
>In <1iing2INNa9@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>*
>*I really think there should be a new trophy call the Man Byng which
>*would be opposite to the Lady Byng.  The winner would be the player
>*with the highest common point total/penaly minutes at the end of 
>*the season.  I think that both Gary Roberts and Kevin Stevens would 
>*be the leading contenders this year.
>
>It should be PIM - PTS.  Highest wins.  We could call it the Mike 
>Schmidt Trophy.
>

Nah, that wouldn't work.  You need to give more credit to the skilled
part.

For example, at the end of the season:

                  Points      PIM
Stu Grimson         4         423
Marty McSorely     11         401
Ronnie Stern       71         219
.
.
.                                
Gary Roberts      121         201
Doug Gilmour      134         101
Kevin Stevens     145         223

Your method would give the Man Byng to Stu Grimson with McHack getting
runner-up.

My method of common Points/PIM would give the Man Byng to 
Kevin Stevens with Gary Roberts in second place.  This gives equal
credit for toughness and skill.  (BTW, watch out for Ronnie Stern
taking the Man Byng in a few years).

>                    Archer Sully      archer@sgi.com

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 1/9
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:05:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.044754.4161@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>* Ray Bourque is steamed up at Bruins management and wants out. (!)
>A possible deal would be a package featuring Bourque for a package
>featuring Trevor Linden.

What position does Bourque play?  I'm wondering who would go after him.
(For example, I know the FLYERS would love a left winger...)

Fred

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: leafs (PLAYOFFS and EXPANSION DRAFT)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:32:07 GMT

John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) writes:

>Toronto has three goaltenders..I thought 1yr players were excempt from the
>expansion draft. So Then they protect only Fuhr and Potvin is not available
>at all.

>That leaves Wamsley the only extra.

Potvin played several games last year, which I think makes him available
for the expansion draft.

There was actually a funny cartoon in the Edmonton Sun today;
it had the caption "Only 1 goaltender to be protected". However,
the announcer was stating "And starting at center... Grant Fuhr".
(The picture featured a goaltender in Leaf's uniform about to
take a faceoff.)

By the way, ever notice Canadian teams seem to be hit harder with
the expansion rules than American teams? Or mayby I'm just paranoid.
From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: New arena in Dortmund, Germany??
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:09:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Does anyone know what become of the new arena that was scheduled to be built in
Dortmund, Germany? I heard about it about two years ago, our local Finnish
hockey magazine mentioned it and said the Germans were going to stage most of
the world championships games there. The capacity was listed as 16,000 seats
which would make it one of Europe's biggest hockey arenas. A future site for an
NHL team perhaps?!

MARCU$

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Forsberg and Selanne
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:45:25 GMT

Over the last week, I've seen two columnists in the Toronto papers
mention that the "Selanne" rule would apply to Peter Forsberg if
the Nordiques do not sign him by next years draft.  This suggests
that the 4-year rule for Europeans was reduced to a two-year rule
in the last CBA. 

The "rule" is that if the player does not sign a contract within
the specified time period...it was 4 years in the case of Selanne,
and it looks like it is now 2 years in the case of Forsberg...that
the player becomes a free agent and the Nordiques would have the
right to match, as the Jets matched the offer of the Flames to
Selanne.

If this is actually the case, then Forsberg could conceivably
command an almost Sakic-like salary...or at least command an
initial salary higher than what Sundin is now earning...especially
considering the immediate impact of players such as Bure and Selanne.

And if this rule applies to Forsberg, would it not also apply
to Markus Naslund and Sundblad.  Conceivably, Markus Naslund
could probably command a million plus...would this perhaps
force the Penguins to chose between Jagr and Naslund?  Or has 
Naslund actually signed a contract with Pittsburgh already?

Does anyone out there know if the speculations of these Toronto
columnists are actually accurate, and that the status of Forsberg
after next years draft will be identical to Selanne's status last
summer?

Gerald
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From: pasche@gondolin.hasler.ascom.ch (Pasche S.,NVEK3,Tel. x3816)
Subject: Spengler Cup
Reply-To: pasche@gondolin.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:37:18 GMT

Davos (Switzerland) 66th Spengler Cup

Final Game Result (31.12.1992)

Team Canada - Faerjestads BK (Sweden)  6-5 OT (1-1,2-2,2-2,1-0)

1st period :
3'	Yaremchuk (Astley,McLaren)	1-0
19'	Hoeglun (Carlsson)		1-1

2nd period :
7'	Joseph				2-1
11'	Degerstedt			2-2
14'	Lundh (Rhodin)			2-3
14'	Savage (Joseph)			3-3

3rd period :
3'	Braennstroem (Johansson,Ottosson) 3-4
4'	Loob (L. Karlsson)		3-5
5'	Richard (Gagne)			4-5
8'	Gagne				5-5

Overtime :
4'	Joseph (Savage)			6-5

Penalties : 4x2' Team Canada, 5x2' Faerjestads BK

Team Canada :
-------------
Fountain

Ward		Tutt
Durdle		Therien
Astley		Rochefort
Halfnight	Arsenault

McLaren		Joseph		Lukowich
Millar		Richard		Gagne
Savage		Yaremchuk	Propp
Beddoes

Coach : Andy Murray

Faerjestads BK:
---------------
Bergmann

Duus		Samuelsson
Lundell		Carlsson
Olsson		Rhodin
Sveder		Karlsson

Braennstroem	Johansson	Loob
Ottosson	Gustafsson	Hoeglund
Degerstedt	Karlsson	Lundh
Haegstroem	Johannsson


Notes : The Team Canada win this tournament for the 4th time (84,86,87 and 92).
The canadian players from the Swiss League are :
Richard, Gagne (Olten), Astley, Propp (Lugano),
Joseph, Millar (Chur), Yaremchuk, Lavoie (Zug)


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