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From: kemp@convex.com (Phil Kemp)
Subject: Re: Maximum memory under DV/X
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:33:22 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bt5o1J.3wG.2@cs.cmu.edu> ralf+@cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) writes:

>In article <1843@junkyard.UUCP> granz@junkyard.UUCP (David Granz) writes:
>}How to Maximize your memory space for programs under DV/X

>This works great!  I only did the network kernel part since I only have 12K
>of TSRs besides the network and the mouse driver.  This got me back up to the
>same 608K maximum window I have under DV Classic.

I did both the network and the mouse... 576 in the Expanded partition.
Pretty good.( 616 in the Conventional... )

>My system also seems to be more reliable.  My SLIP X-Windows connections used
>to randomly die every few minutes, but I had them running for over an hour
>with only one problem--the entire network froze on me after several minutes
>of running a Telnet and SEVEN remote X-windows.  Things get very slow with
>that much traffic even over a 14400 modem....  I had no problems running for
>over half an hour with a Telnet and five remote X-windows (which is about two
>more connections than the maximum for reasonable response over dialup SLIP).

Ralf, which drivers are you using? Did U try the ethersl.com/ethdrv
drivers? I'm running days. w/o hang etc... with that config. Any way
this suggestion is greeeeaat!!!!

Hope it works for all...
PK

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: List of available X products for PC's?
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:49:24 GMT
Keywords: X11, PC

In article <16b999INNf60@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> kdc@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin D Carnes) writes:
>This isn't specific to desqview, but this is the first group I've
>found that discusses a product (DV/X) that turns your PC into an X
>server.  Is there a group that gives information on other available
>products?  Desqview/X may well be what we end up with, but I'd like to
>know what other options are available so that I could make an informed
>choice.
>
>--
>Kevin Carnes
>kdc@phys.ksu.edu                                 kdc@ksuvm.BITNET  
>kdc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu                             

Well, I'll leave a lot of the discussion to the real "end users" (I might be
considered biased :-) but I feel like I should point out one important point.
There are a fair number of Xservers available for the pc, but DVX is THE ONLY
package that will make a DOS machine into an X CLIENT.  That's never been done before.
With DVX you can display DOS wordperfect/ dBase/ MS Windows/ et 10,000 cetera 
on ANY other computer that has an Xserver.  You can also port X apps to the
DOS/DVX environment and actually RUN them there.

Gary Rich		<support@qdeck.com)

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: kemp@convex.com (Phil Kemp)
Subject: Re: Telnet Ftp, where are they in Dv/X ?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:46:23 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug17.235127.3451@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> vla@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Louis Verhagen) writes:

> I have gotten Dv/X working with the FTP/tcp software layer
> and have installed the network manager. First of all
> I am not sure what has been installed by the network
> manager install program, but it al seems to work alright.

It would be nice if Qdeck gave us a manifest list of installed
files...

> But I cannot find the Dv/X telnet ftp programs anywhere.
> I am using the FTP/tcp telnet at the moment, which is giving
> me some troubles with the caps lock key. So if Dv/X or
> the network manager has them please tell me where.

Install bug......

Take your network mgr. diskette from Qdeck. copy the files to some
temp directory. then run qunpack across these files.... Move the
interesting ones to your dvx directory.

BTW, you guys at Qdeck gonna fix the install procedure for the network
stuff?


> I think I am using Dv/X version 1.0 and Qemm version 6.03


Cheers, PK

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Subject: Re: How to free common memory ?
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:10:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.052904.24164@solucor.uucp> jack@solucor.uucp (Jacques Gelinas) writes:
>I have written two program that make use of the mailbox feature
>of DV for inter program communication. These programs are
>eating slowly the pool for common memory.

I've had this problem, too.  Here's my theory (maybe QOS can verify this?)
When you pass a message by value, it is copied into common memory.  There
is also some envelope associated with the message that DV allocates in
common mem.  Now when you read the message from the mailbox, DV can
de-alloc the envelopes mem, but the copied message never gets dealloc'd.
Is it OK to free this mem yourself with the free-common-mem call?  I
don't know.

>What is the difference between a DVP format for DV and DVX ?

Yes. One day a few months ago I sat down with a binary editor and
figured out what was added to the DVP for DVX.  The results are published
in Ralf Brown's interrupt list.  The DESQview extract is DVINT31.ZIP,
available from SIMTEL20 in PD1:<MSDOS.DESQVIEW>.
-- 
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Grad Student
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Help needed for jerky screens
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:30:29 GMT

I've just moved from a slow 286 to a 486-33 and discover
that programs undet Desqview that ran smooth as silk are
now jerky and distracting.  Not the programs themselves,
because they're fine under DOS.  I've tried jiggling the
performance ratios every which way with little success.
I've also experimented with writing directly to screen.
The only partial success comes from loading a bunch of other 
applications, but that just performance.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Subject: Re: WINDOW MANAGERS FOR DV/X
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:14:08 GMT

In article <1659.73.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> mark.gough@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Gough)  writes:
>DV/X on a 4 meg system (and this is true for PC's only), but running the
>tcpip network manager, mwm, and DVX is best done with 16 Megabytes.
>Anyone at quarterdeck want to argue this? Bet not!  As for your
>application....


DV/X on a PC will run in 4 megs.  Mark is correct that the addition of a
TCPIP layer and an Alternate window manager does up the memory needs. But
the jump from 4 megs to 16 IS a bit extreme.  Like ANY multi-tasker, the
more programs you want to run the memory you will need.  But we should not
imply, to those that might not follow this forum daily, the you need 12 megs
more for our network manager and the Motif Window manager.  Megs are days
off, the more the merrier; but lets keep the perspective of our particular
uses.  For a lot of users 8 megs would be just sweet.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: What's a good free editor for DESQview?
Date: 22 Aug 1992 15:52:30 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <SBO.92Aug21140220@froh.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
>How about GNU Emacs for DOS (Demacs)? It's free. It's
>powerful. It's more than fully customizable. GNU Emacs is
>available on many many many os (Os/2, many Un*x, Dos,
>Amiga?, Atari? and probably not Mac :-)). Definitely the
>most portable editor.

Also definitely the biggest hog around. It's huge! Typical Unix incarnations
range from 800K to over a meg. Besides, who needs an editor with delusions of
being an OS? Gak! Give me QEDIT. It's a real shame that the OS/2 version isn't
shareware.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X: Security Password?????
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:19:23 GMT
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: adam@acapella


Hi everyone...

I'm trying to use the networking parts of Desqview/X.

I'm using ftp's PC/TCP version 2.05pl4.

I'm trying to configure the @#$()*^@#% thing, but every time I try to
"add users" I'm prompted for a user name.  I can't get past this...
The documentation says it checks the network driver (in this case,
ipcust.sys) but it doesn't seem to be using that.  (I even re-copied
the driver from the PC/TCP disk.) 

HOW DOES THE PASSWORD GET SET????

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From: dhollis@nuchat.sccsi.com (Daniel Hollis)
Subject: Problems with VXDDIR and Novell
Organization: Houston Public Access UNIX
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:16:02 GMT

I'm having problems getting DesqView/X to work in a Novell network.
The machines are booting from the server's NET$DOS.SYS, which contains
the QEMM 6.0 and the other boot stuff. In the config.sys, i have
QEMM configured to work like this:

VXDDIR=i:\apps\dvx\

However, when I start Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode, it will *still*
check the floppy drive A: before checking the path mentioned in VXDDIR.

Is there some way to keep QEMM from checking drive A: before going to
the directory mentioned in VXDDIR?

The hack around this right now is to map A: to i:\apps\dvx\ as well,
but this then makes reading off drive A: on the machines a hassle
with map del'ing and remapping drives.

Someone got a solution for this?


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Changing video drivers in DV/X
From: dov@menora.weizmann.ac.il (Dov Grobgeld)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:03:49 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center.

garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich) writes:
:
: >While at at. Is there a way to set a spesific font to a process? I am using
: >Hebrew software, that uses my VGA hebrew character set. Under DV/X, of course,
: >all the fonts are software, not hardware.
: >I could set the programs to run in full screen, but then wheres the fun in
: >having a windowing system? What I would like to do is to set a hebrew font
: >for those programs while keeping the defaults for others.
: >
:
: The only way to assign a font to a process is if the process is an X program.
: The closest work around that I can think of is to see if there is either a
: type 1 postscipt hebrew font with the same keyboard mapping that the
: programs font uses, or an SNF font with the same charachteristics.  Then
: you could (not easily) set DVX up so that all scaled or all unscaled DOS
: windows use that font.  You could then run your hebrew word processor
: in scaled windows and roman char programs in non-scaled windows.
:
Why no codepage support? Would have made it easier to adapt your
software for international market.

At least put the non-scalable roman char font into an external file, which
is loaded at startup time. Or read the font from Video RAM at startup time.
Either method is a lot more flexible than having a hard coded font in
the DV/X software.

Of course one could probably find the font deep embedded somewhere in
the EXE files and do some font replacement, but is that really the only
method that will be available?

: This is kind of a kludge, but it's the only way that I can think of.

Indeed.

:
: Gary Rich	<support@qdeck.com>

Regards,
         Dov
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: kemp@convex.com (Phil Kemp)
Subject: Re: Window Managers for DV/X
Keywords: DVX Motif OLWM
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:59:02 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <kemp.713592101@convex.convex.com> kemp@convex.com (Phil Kemp) writes:

[more stuff deleted]

About remote window mgrs. for DV/X

>Does this really work as well with motif. I haven't been able to get
>it too..

In answer to my own question I was able to get the Motif window mgr.
working over the network last night. I couldn't get the R5 version of
mwm to work, it seemed to be waiting for some event it never got. I
was able to use the mwm supplied by SCO Xsight to work. I believe that
it is an R3 version. 

(Apologies to those motif gurus who can track the motif version along
with the X-release, I can't )

If anyone else was able to get the 'R5' version working please let me
know.
PK
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Info on graphics drivers for DV/X available? (was 8514 video)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: world,local
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:58:37

So, the only intelligent graphics cads supported is ATI 8514. Is there info
available on graphics drivers for DV/X? I would like to write my own drivers
for some cards not (yet?) supported.

Drivers seem to be simple .COM-like programs, I wouldn't like using debug to
find out how one should be constucted althougt it is possible..






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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: Re: What's a good free editor for DESQview?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
	<1992Aug21.015147.28893@xraylith.wisc.edu> <BtBF86.4CD.2@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:02:20 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Aug 92 04:02:29 GMT, ralf+@cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) said:
  > Article-I.D.: cs.BtBF86.4CD.2
  > Nntp-Posting-Host: b.gp.cs.cmu.edu

  > In article <1992Aug21.015147.28893@xraylith.wisc.edu> bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh) writes:
  > }In article <1992Aug20.210146.9969@mp.cs.niu.edu> ulrick@mp.cs.niu.edu (David Ulrick) writes:
  > }>(2)  If you've run across a free or cheap text editor that is trustworthy 
  > }>     under DESQview, I'd like to know.  I have anonymous FTP access, so    
  > }>     downloading instructions would be helpful.
  > }
  > }I *absolutely* love Qedit -- very configurable, and a great editor!

  > Seconded, though I only use it for light-weight editing.  I use Epsilon for
  > heavy-duty things like editing the 2M interrupt list and big multi-file
  > projects (though I did once have 180 files loaded into Qedit at the same
  > time while adding a common comment to all the DV-GLUE files).  Both Epsilon
  > and Qedit are DESQview-aware.

How about GNU Emacs for DOS (Demacs)? It's free. It's
powerful. It's more than fully customizable. GNU Emacs is
available on many many many os (Os/2, many Un*x, Dos,
Amiga?, Atari? and probably not Mac :-)). Definitely the
most portable editor.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Subject: DJGCC with DESQview/X libs now available!
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:17:58 GMT

Announced on the DJGPP mailing list:

Return-Path: djgpp-request@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
From: DJ Delorie <dj@ctron.com>
Message-Id: <9208192038.AA29851@athena.ctron>
Received: by delorie.ctron (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16819; Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:40:41 EDT
To: djgpp@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
Subject: djgpp 1.08 announcement

djgpp 1.08 has been uploaded to barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu.  Please
download the manifest.mft or Index before downloading anything else.

Major changes:

* Quarterdeck has donated X libraries for DESQview/X (qddvx100.zip)

* cc1plus.exe and cc1obj.exe have been moved to their own module
  (djgpo222.zip) so that djgcc222.zip is a reasonable size.

See docs/new108.doc in djdev108.zip for more details on changes.

DJ
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 won't start under DV386
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:12:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.132154.14645@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>(coming in on the tail end of some threads about problems using Win 3.1
>under DV Classic)
>
>In the past, I've had no problems running WIndows either 3.0 or 3.1
>under DV.  However, I recently re-installed bits and pieces of the
>software in a rather odd order, and I think I may have confused
>something:
>	1) Installed clean copy of QEMM 6.03 (from DV/X dist - Note: I
>	   bought DV/X, but I don't use it)
>	2) Installed DV 2.42 on top of existing DV 2.32 (lots of locally
>	   customized files in my DV dir that I didn't want to lose)
>	3) Re-installed Windows 3.1 (after losing previous copy in disk
>	   crash)
>
>So I am running Win 3.1 from a W3-PIF.DVP file dated 8-15-91, which
>predates DV.EXE (dated 11-13-91).
>
>Anyway, when I launch W3-PIF.DVP, it brings up Windoze, and seems to work
>just fine (I'm not a big Windoze person, so I wasn't able to test it
>thoroughly), but when I tap the Alt key, the DV main menu comes up, but
>the system then goes into cold storage.
>
>Suggestions?
>
>In article <1992Aug19.175810.17602@qdeck.com> burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge) writes:
>
>
>>>>DOS=HIGH saves about 40K of dos memory by moving it to the 64K HMA.  DV
>>>>is capable of using the entire HMA, all 64K.  Dupm the X=B000-B7FF.  THis
>>>>is needed due to a bug in a piece of MS code that is unable to deal with
>>>>a UMB in this area.  Add MONOUMB2.386 to your SYSTEM.INI file (instructions
>>>>in the Win README.WRI) or down load the new WINHIRAM.VXD.  The added 32K of
>>>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Do I need to do any of this fun stuff?  (As I said, it seems to work -
>gets in OK, I just can't get out...)
>

Nope.  This stuff is for Win 3.1 in 386Enhanced mode.  It has nothing to
do with Standard mode (the mode it runs in DV).

As for the Alt key == hang; I would look at possible video conflict.  Try
setting Win to (basic) VGA and remove the loader from the DVP it it is
still there (it was more for 80286's).  Check the DVP by trying Win /s in
a BIGDOS window.  Make sure that Windows' DVP is also set to Runs in
Background [N], Virtualize [T], and Displays Graphics [Y].

just some ideas - 

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
From: ralf+@cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Maximum memory under DV/X
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:27:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt5o1J.3wG.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1843@junkyard.UUCP> granz@junkyard.UUCP (David Granz) writes:
}How to Maximize your memory space for programs under DV/X

This works great!  I only did the network kernel part since I only have 12K
of TSRs besides the network and the mouse driver.  This got me back up to the
same 608K maximum window I have under DV Classic.

My system also seems to be more reliable.  My SLIP X-Windows connections used
to randomly die every few minutes, but I had them running for over an hour
with only one problem--the entire network froze on me after several minutes
of running a Telnet and SEVEN remote X-windows.  Things get very slow with
that much traffic even over a 14400 modem....  I had no problems running for
over half an hour with a Telnet and five remote X-windows (which is about two
more connections than the maximum for reasonable response over dialup SLIP).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: ulrick@mp.cs.niu.edu (David Ulrick)
Subject: What's a good free editor for DESQview?
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:01:46 GMT

I'm running DESQview v2.26 under MSDOS 4.01, and I've been having nothing but
trouble with text editors.  The editors that I've used the most have been
VDE and CalVIn (the latter is a VI clone).  I can get both to run in a 
DESQview window, but I seem to have problems with system reliability if I use
either one.  I sometimes have to invoke the editor twice in succession, but
I seem to be all too able to crash DESQview sooner or later.  I will usually
get a QEMM EXCEPTION message in a window *other than CalVIn* when I have
problems while using CalVIn, whereas things will simply "hang" sometimes while
I use VDE.

My question then is twofold:

(1)  Has anyone managed to run either of these editors reliably under
     DESQview?  If so, I'd love to see a copy of your .DVP files along with 
     any editor configuration tips you can offer.

(2)  If you've run across a free or cheap text editor that is trustworthy 
     under DESQview, I'd like to know.  I have anonymous FTP access, so    
     downloading instructions would be helpful.

Thanks!
Dave (a01dgu1@mvs.niu.edu or ulrick@mp.cs.niu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview