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From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Possible to obtain list of Company's shareholders?
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:48:56 GMT

In <4187@phred.UUCP> johng@phred.UUCP (johng) writes:

>Is it possible to obtain a list of all the shareholders in a public company?
>How would you get this information?

Generally, state law provides that the company must allow any 
shareholder who requests it to have access to the list of 
shareholders, provided the intended use relates to the company or
its business.  Fortunately for the privacy of shareholders, the
exception exists.  Unfortunately, many managements abuse the
exception to deny shareholders the right to see who their fellow
shareholders are.  In any case, unless the company approves of what
you are doing, you are likely to have to transcribe the list by
hand.
-- 
 Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com      Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x101
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399   fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.   NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20.  Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Trident Trading Strategy Info needed
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

Has anyone on the net read the book, attended the seminar or have any
experience with "Trident Trading Stategies"?  I saw an advertisement in 
"Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities" for the book by Charles Lindsay. 
I'd really appreciate hearing about your experiences.


Thanks.

Joe Gorberg
tgorb@rrc.chevron.com

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko)
Subject: Re:  OK, what about THIS strategy? 
Reply-To: blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:57:08 GMT


| I took a management course wherein a guest lecturer spoke about
| finances and stocks.  Pressed for some investing advice (not
| necessarily expected of this lecturer, but she relented), she
| told us her old boss had gotten quite wealthy with a simple
| strategy:  each August (I don't know the significance of August)
| he would buy stocks with a low PE ratio (4 or less), and sell those
| whose PE ratio had grown out of that range over the previous year.
| He supposedly only did this once each year.

This is the "I heard a second-hand story about a guy who got
rich once beating the market and no independent
verification is possible, of course, but since I don't
have anything better to tell you about, this is it"
strategy.    

It's an open question in my mind whether this strategy was
learned from all the people who "win" week after week at
the casinos, or the other way around.  

	Tom
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: lwest@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Lynn West)
Subject: Re: Electronic stock prices
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:51:49 GMT
Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations Division.

In article <323@heimdall.sdrc.com>, festeve@sgcpu1 (Steve Saunders) writes:
> From: festeve@sgcpu1 (Steve Saunders)
> Subject: Electronic stock prices
> Date: 8 Jan 93 22:21:36 GMT
> Sender: news@heimdall.sdrc.com
> Lines: 13
> 
> I am looking for stock prices in electronic form.  I would like to get
> daily prices, and also historical data.
> 
> I have heard that if you subscribe to Prodigy that you can get
> daily stock prices.  Does anyone know the cost involved.
> Are there any other alternatives ?
> 
> I would also like to find an FTP site with historical stock data.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> 
> Steve (steven.saunders@sdrc.com)

I sent you a 5-paragraph answer which was returned  with the usual
"Unknown" header.  The short answer is that you probably can, and
perhaps satisfactorily if you are a pretty fair C programmer.  It is
difficult.  The one element of which I am not sure is Prodigy policy. 
If you do this they will (or at least can) know you are doing it and may
object if you try to	
download more than a hundred or so stocks.

The reason for the qualifier is that I download 60-80 every day so I
know the technique can be made to work.  You have some "stitching" to
do, and there are solvable problems which occur if one of your stocks
has no quote available for a particular day.  What I do not know is
whether Prodigy would tolerate your downloading, say, 1500 every day.

Lynn West
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: pricing scheme for stock comissions
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:42:55 GMT

tims@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Tim Sasseen) writes:

>Hello,
>	In a recent post of the comissions of various discount
>brokers, there was a clear trend that buying 20 shares at $100 /share
>is cheaper (by about a factor of 2) than buying 500 shars at $4 /share.
>Does anyone know why things are priced this way?

>Thanks,

>Tim Sasseen

It depends on whether the broker is a "value broker" or a
"share broker". Apparently most of the discount brokers
in the posting were share brokers.

In general, every broker will have some area where they may
be cheapest. Some are more expensive than others in all areas.
It is like the supermarket - IGA sells eggs cheap, Food Lion
sells meat cheap (but it is probably tainted). There is a 
book, "70% off", that lists the 30 cheapest brokers for
each "transaction zone". 

Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: Need advice to lower taxes
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:39:34 GMT

In article <V4c9wB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
>Everything I've read and heard has indicated otherwise. However,
>I don't have the relevant IRS publication in front of me; anybody
>who does is free to post....

Simple rule: If the employee can put pre-tax dollars into it, it's a
qualified plan.  If the employee can't, it may or may not be a qualified
plan.
--
-- Christophe

"Bad analogy!  No biscuit!"
From: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?))
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Grid and Go
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?))
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: tmjones@c00498-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu


I'm trying to find out the stock acronyms for the producers
of PenPoint and PenRight operating systems.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ae557@yfn.ysu.edu (Ken Meinken)
Subject: Re: Reason to buy Mutual Funds
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:06:41 GMT


Adam,
your points about the advantages of mutual funds vs. stocks for
small amounts of money are well taken.

However, I'd like to point out that it is possible to do better 
than the $40 brokerage commission you mention.  There are 
several brokers who charge in the $25 range (up to 300 shares).
I've also heard that Dean Witter will not charge more than 10%
of the purchase.

A couple of advantages that I think I see in stocks:
If you are in it for the long haul, you avoid the yearly (taxable)
distributions from the funds, especially if you buy stocks that
don't have dividends.  This can be a form of tax deferred 
investing.  You also avoid the high turnover that almost all
mutual funds seem to have these days.   If you hold for the 
long term, you expenses will be less than a mutual fund.
(I want to hold the next Walmart or Microsoft for 20 years!)

Another point on comissions: a few companies (less than a dozen
that I've found) allow you to purchase all shares directly
from the company.  Unfortunately, they are not fast growing
stocks and may be overpriced at the moment.

Ken
From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Accumulation-Distribution Rating in Investor's Business Daily
Keywords: What does it mean?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:31:57 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

Can someone explain the Accumulation-Distribution Rating that is 
listed in _Investor's Business Daily_?  What exactly does it mean?

Thanks
--rb
Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Need advice to lower taxes
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 17:49:04 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

barrett@forge.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:

> On this issue of deductible IRAs, I'm unclear about what it means to
> be "covered" by a 401(k).  My wife will be eligible for using her company's
> 401(k) late in the year.  If she does not take advantage of it, will our
> IRA contributions still be limited (erased if we make $50k)?

Whoa, folks; there's some confusion here.

A 401(k) is not the same as the "qualified pension plan" whose existance
affectes IRAs. The qpp is something provided by and funded entirely by
the company, with no input from the employee. The 401(k) is a optional
plan (qpps are usually not optional, but that doesn't matter as far as
IRAs are concerned) which is contributed to by the employee (with 
optional matching funds from the employer), and whose investment 
strategy is controlled by the employee among the choices offered.

The presence or absence of a 401(k) plan does *not* affect deductability
of IRA contributions.

The *presence* of a qpp, whether used or not, disallows the deduction
of IRA contributions.

(The presence of a qpp where I work costs me about $400/year in extra
taxes, as opposed to what I'd be paying if I could have a deferred IRA
and contributed the limit. I do *not* like that.)

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Q: brokers accepting credit cards?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 06:07:01 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1993Jan3.232427.29433@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> monge@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Alessandro Monge) writes:
>Does anybody know brokers accepting payments with credit cards?  Is there
>a particulat reason for them not to accept credit cards?

Someone else already responded with an ecnonomic reason why brokers don't
accept credit card payments.  Could there also be SEC regulations against
it?  Technically, when you pay for something with a credit card, you're
taking out a loan.  When you borrow money for investment in securities,
that's a margin, and the SEC has limits on the ratio between margin and
securities (I believe it's 50%).  Credit cards are generally completely
unsecured, so they would exceed this limit.
  
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Xref: sparky misc.invest:15862 misc.taxes:3970
From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Need advice to lower taxes
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:32:57 GMT
Followup-To: misc.invest
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems

Is there anyway to shelter capital gains for stocks?

For instance. Is there a way to generate losses quickly for a given year which
will reduce the net gain for the same year?

Would the losses then be offset by gains in future years?

Can one trade stocks and avoid capital gains tax?

Daryl
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: billj@b11.ingr.com (Bill Johnson)
Subject: Re: Buying stocks directly from a company
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:00:36 GMT

In article <tan.726185433@aries>, tan@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Lian Tan) writes:
|> I guess the title says it all.  Would anybody have any idea where to find
|> such a list?  Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> L.T.  

Contact the NAIC (National Association of Investors, Corp.) at 313-543-0612.  They offer information
and services to setup the purchase of stock directly from companies, as well as lots of investment
advice.  It's NOT free, however...

Bill
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Rea)
Subject: Re: "seasonal adjusted"
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:12:41 GMT

Albert Cheng (acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu) wrote:

> What does the term "seasonal adjusted" mean?  E.g. Seasonal adjusted
> unemployment is down 40,000 for the Christmas week.  Or seasonal
> adjusted new houses started.  Does the government say, "well, it is
> holiday season, everyone is on vacation for two out of the five days.
> Let us doctor the numbers and report only 60% of the unemployed
> figures." Can someone explain?

These figures are a time series, and a lot of this type of data has
a regularly occuring variation in it. For example grass growth in
temperate regions varies over the course of the year usually something
along the lines of high growth rates in spring, slower in summer
rebounding a little in fall and almost stopped in winter. There are
mathematical techniques used to adjust for this type of seasonal 
variation and look for variation which is not related to the season.
Another example, New Zealand has a lot of  horticultural crops which
are harvested in autumn. During the harvest period, the number of
people unemployed aways goes down because of the vary large number
of people working in harvest related jobs. In winter unemployment
always goes up as the harvest work comes to an end. Time series
analysis of the unemployment figures must try to look for increases
or decreases in employment over and above the season changes.

I hope that helps.

--
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From: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Windows NT, when is it expected.  Micro soft is selling cheap at $85
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Organization: Intel-Corp,_Hillsboro,_Oregon

In article <C050wt.Bvu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy) writes:
|> 
|>     Is MSFT a good buy now after the last $7 dropp from about 92 to about
|> 85 ?!!   if windows NT comes out, will we see that stock rally to a $100
|> and may be more ?!!
|> 

Windows-NT is old news, and it has already been discounted in the price of MSFT.
Regarding Microsoft's -and many other growth companies- stock price, 
the question to ask is: can they maintain their current high growth rate?
Will they slow down? or will they start a decline?

-- 
..CHEDLEY..
..!{uunet|tektronix|ogicse}!littlei!chedley    chedley@carthago.intel.com     
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Standard Disclaim: The above statements and opinions are strictly mine,
and do not represent any company or organization's position.
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Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.taxes
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Losing lottery tickets
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:57:30 GMT
Keywords: investment?

In article <1993Jan6.143519.6752@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) writes:
>When are lottery tickets deductible??  Do you have to
>have winnings first??  (This is what I assume.)
>
>In other words, if I played $100 worth of lottery
>tickets which didn't win a penny, would I be able
>to claim the $100 as a capital loss??   

You can deduct gambling losses up to, but not more than, gambling
winnings.  This is ordinary income and not capital gains/losses.


>I would assume that I couldn't unless one of the
>tickets paid off say $1000 and I could then
>say that my gain is really $900 because I can
>deduct the cost of realizing my $1000 gain.

Yes.  You might have to furnish proof of your losses.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: temiraso@vela.acs.oakland.edu (thomas e mirasol)
Subject: Re: Basic Questions, part II
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:37:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.061839.9811@eskimo.com> jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood) writes:
>
>Ok, you guys have been a lot of help so far. I now know more than I did 
>twenty four hours ago. (That being the length of my investment career
>to date....)
>
>Now. What is Option trading? I signed up for America On Line, who offers
>the abilitie to buy and sell through a company called E*Trade.
>does anyone know of this company?
>They offer commissions of $.015 per share, $35 minamum. Good, I can
>figure that out.
>Is it low? High?
>They also offer somthing called "Options", at 0 to $2499, $25 + 1.6% of
>the principle.
>
>My Basic Question for the weekend is:
>What are options? How do they work?
>Why would I want an Option instead of buyin a share outright?
>
>The other thing AOL offers, and which I intend to pursue,
>is a game.
>Called Bull & Bear, it uses real prices, real stocks, real everything,
>timing, options, etc.
>The only thing that is NOT real is the money.
>They will let me establish a portfolio as if I had purchased it,
>without paying for it. I can then LEARN!
>If I loose a million, I will leave my tiny little dollars safely where
>they belong, in my savings account.
>If I make a million unreal dollars, I'll be back to bug ya with more
>basic questions.
>
>Thanks again, you guys!
>
>Jammer

There are basically 2 kinds of options: call and puts.  A call option is
isimilar to a warrant since it is an option to buy the common stock of a
company at a specified price (strike or exercise price) within a certain
period.  A put option allows the holder to sell a given stock at a
specified price during a designated time period.  You would buy a put
option if you felt the stock price was on its way down.  You can think
of it as some sort of insurance that just in case the stock price falls
by some large value, you can limit your losses.

When you buy options, you are not buying stock certificates outright.
What you are purchasing is the option to buy stock (call) or the option
to sell stock (put) at some designated time period (maximum is 3 moths
away).  

Take note that options are very risky, much riskier than buying the
stocks.  Its an all-or-nothing type of deal.  Your losses are limited to
the price of the option.  There's a good book on investment analysis by
Frank K. Reilly called Investment Analysis and Portfolio Management 3rd
edition.  Its a textbook and has a good description on options.  There's
still a lot to learn on this topic (such as writing or selling call and
put options) and this book gives some good examples.  



Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: fqm6448                         
Subject: Sea Containers Ltd.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:00 GMT




Does anybody know anything about this stock? I'm thinking about
buying it. It's P/E is about 10, price is about 15, and EPS is $2
and is expected to increase (Zacks).


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Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Investment magazines
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:25:17 GMT

buehlman@iwf.mabp.ethz.ch (Buehlmann Thomas) writes:


>>every issue.  Also, investment style and risk tolerance are significant - 
>>I have marvelled at the clarity and logic of a writer's argument, but I just 
>>couldn't bring myself to buy the stock at a P.E. of 40. 

>Do not overestimate the meaning the p/e since it only reflects the trust
>of the investors into this equity. A much more expressive figure could be
>the earnings per share as this really tells you what the company is doing
>and not what the investors are thinking the company will be doing...

At least P/E is invariant under stock splits and reverse splits, 
which isn't true for EPS.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: devine@olympus.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Devine)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: IBM vs DEC
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:39:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus.cs.berkeley.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

chedley@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chedley A. Aouriri) writes:
: Actually IBM is probably oversold and may be due for a nice
: short term bounce. And a few savvy investors think IBM is
: a screaming buy at $52....

Then again, it might be a screaming buy at $48....  :-)

Bob Devine
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: tan@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Lian Tan)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Buying stocks directly from a company
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:10:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I guess the title says it all.  Would anybody have any idea where to find
such a list?  Thanks in advance.

L.T.  
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Basic Questions, part II
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:23:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.061839.9811@eskimo.com> jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood) writes:
>Now. What is Option trading? I signed up for America On Line, who offers
>the abilitie to buy and sell through a company called E*Trade.
>does anyone know of this company?
>They offer commissions of $.015 per share, $35 minamum. Good, I can
>figure that out.
>Is it low? High?

Looks reasonable.

>They also offer somthing called "Options", at 0 to $2499, $25 + 1.6% of
>the principle.

OK for options priced over $1, but looks high for lower priced
options.

>My Basic Question for the weekend is:
>What are options? How do they work?

Very simply, an option is a contract.

Call Options allow the person who owns the option to buy a certain
number (usually 100) of shares of stock at a fixed price on or
before a certain date.

Put Options allow the person who owns the oiption to sell a certain
number (usually 100) of shares of stock at a fixed price on or
before a certain date.

There is an article which gives more information in the misc.invest
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list which appears here about every
two weeks.

Now that you've signed up with your broker, ask them to send you a
booklet called something like: Risks and benefits of trading listed
options.  It should be free, and has all the basics you should know
before you begin trading.

Once you've read that booklet, my own recommendation is if you want
to trade options, limit yourself to  In-the-money covered call
options.   Definitions are in the references.

>Why would I want an Option instead of buyin a share outright?

Some buy options as a hedge against a sudden move in the price of
the stock; others buy them to have more leverage than buying stock.
Me? I usually sell them.

>They will let me establish a portfolio as if I had purchased it,
>without paying for it. I can then LEARN!

you can do this yourself - and when you do invest real money you do
this yourself anyway.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.invest