From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech....definition
Summary: Got it
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:35:28 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <3220035@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
>(From Lynne: I'm posting this for Deborah since her 
>  post landed in my e-mail box)
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi everyone, I'm trying to post YET AGAIN -- please let me know if
>it's successful. Our news server often crashes between messages as
>we read them, and I've only made one successful post in six months.
>I've been reduced to lurking. They're trying a new server this week, which 
>has inspired me to try again.

Got it here! :-)

>The continuing debate about women's
>self image has been wonderful, thank you all. I had an added spin
>on the junior high experience, in that most of the persecution took
>place in CHURCH, and my mom refused to believe that it COULD go on
>there. We were a military family in a small town where everyone who
>wasn't military belonged to a particular ethnic group that had been
>born, lived and died in this small town for generations. Calvinism
>has never been known for its sympathy to the "other" half of the population,
>so there wasn't much incentive to keep the other kids from abusing
>"outsiders," especially physically frail girls.

I would like to poke at this a bit.  There are, in my mind, two different
parts to this, and while one is a serious problem in my opinion, not only is
the other not but it may be essential.

The first is out-and-out abuse.  This is, IMHO, reprehensible and wrong.  No
person deserves this.  No person should stand idly by and let it go on.

The second, however, is the principle that some things are better done by
one sex or the other.  This is not necessarily discrimination -- it is
recognition that the sexes are >different<.  While I've heard many women
scream for "equality in everything", they forget that it is physically
impossible for that to take place -- and the "equality" banner gets dropped
rather quickly when some of those equality positions would go against their 
liking.

It is just plain fact that there are differences between man and woman.
Some parts of any tradition or religious practice are going to recognize and
perhaps even codify this.  That's just part of what makes us different.

From a Sabaean perspective, this is really the only "race" distinction that
exists among humans.  That is, there are two races -- men and women.  

>I'm still struggling with my mom's use of the Wrathful God to keep me in
>line, which is one reason I think I'm drawn to goddesses rather than
>gods. <wry smile> It's pretty heavy stuff to tell a kid who disobeys,
>"not only do I hate you when you disobey me, but God does too --
>and I'm ALWAYS right, despite what your senses and experience tells you."
>Yowee! The posts I've seen from all of you have been awfully similar
>to my experiences, but I'm glad to see that others have survived;
>I always thought I was the only one who had to endure that kind of thing.
>Anyhow, thanks for the debate and support to one who lurks by necessity
>and not by choice!

Well, now you can lurk from choice and not necessity -- or not, as you see
fit.

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Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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