From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: "Democracy" & "Israel" are Axonyms.
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:13:20 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Apr11.182158.19922@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <Apr.9.22.22.29.1992.3790@paul.rutgers.edu>, marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
>>
>>Some pro-Israeli people on this net continuously brag about the 
>>following Issues:
>>  1) Israel is one of the most democratic "Democracy".
>>  2) Israel treats palestinians "nicely" ... In fact some bozo even
>>     suggested that Palestinians are "more happy" under the Israeli
>>     occupation that they have ever been.
>>  3) Condemn any form of predgedism against them by using the term
>>     "Anti-semitism" and forget how much there hearts could be filled
>>     with hatred to other people (e.g. Palestinians).

Good points Marwan.

>People are claiming that the Arabs in Israel are living under democracy,
>and that the Israeli government functions as a democracy.

Leon.  Define democracy.  Define how "the Israeli government functions as
a democracy".  Hey, even in Syria there are elections.  But we know how
they are forced.  So, what other ways does the Israeli government function
in view of democracy?  Why doesn't it have a constitution if it is a
'democracy'?

>Now, why don't you tell the story of how when the roof collapses in
>Jerusalem, Arabs and Jews worked together to rescue people, wheras
>Arab children threw stones at the rescuers.  Who hates who?

And the store was Arab owned.  If it were Jewish owned I am sure the
government would say it was the work of 'terrorists' and retaliate against
many Palestinians by blowing up a few 'suspects'' homes and imprison
them under false charges.  So I am sure that the local authorities tried to
do everything in their power to see to it that they wouldn't be accused of
the same thing.  And to the world - 'gee, how gracious we are to our fellow
terrorist Arabs'.

>No one is denying that some Israeli Jews hate Arabs or mistreat Arabs.

But that is okay, right?  It is only unacceptable when Palestinian Arabs
fight for their freedom and justice, right Leon?

>The question is "How is the behavior looked upon by the rest of Israel?"
>In many cases, Jews who mistreat or kill Arabs are condemned and punished
>by Israel.

Tell us another.  What about Ami Popov?  We never heard whatever happened
to him.  But we see the paralyzed Sheikh Ahmad et al in prison.  Don't act
like your govt. is so innocent.

>  But I don't see the opposite happening.  The only case of
>any Arab being punished and/or condemned for actions against a Jew is
>the case of the Egyptian soldier who shot Israeli tourists in the Sinai.

Haahaahaa what a joke!  The only case?  Give me a break!!  This is the
only case you must have read, which shows how well read you are and keep up
on current events!

>The question is not whether some Israelis hate Arabs.  The question is
>whether Israel as a whole should be condemned for the actions of a few.

"The actions of a few"?  Common - get real.  Members of the Mossad are
citizens of Israel - so who is responsible for their actions?  Who is
responsible for the indoctrination in Israel public schools that is
permiated in every Israeli mind (except those who do not subscribe to that
b.s.)?  You know what I am talking about; 'those dirty Arab terrorists
against poor little helpless Eretz Israel' stuff.  What 'democratic'
nation allows its citizens to openly shoot to kill its minorities with all
legal concessions available?

>But the hatred of Jewish Israelis by Arab governments and groups is
>official policy in many places, so those who do violence against Jews
>are not exception, but are the rule.

"In many places"?  Where?  Zululand?  Stop this propoganda, Leon.

>Kahana is not mainstream anything.

Really?  His son openly declared, here in the U.S., his father's revenge
against the Arab-American man accused of the murder.  His followers are
rampant here in the U.S. (as Ron once said, "Oy Gewalt").

>And when they mention Sabra and Chatilla, they don't mention that almost 
>10% of the Jewish Israeli population protested afterwards and demanded an
>investigation. 

We never heard that.  How decent of them.  Did they also take up a collection
for the families of the deceased?  Or are they just forgotten - 'too bad for
them - but as long as we are alive, that is all that matters'?

>(Mapai, Ratz, and CRM) which favors handing back the territories probably 
>will get 10% in the elections.

And Perez was supposed to support Palestinian talks with Israel 3 years ago.
What happened to him?  That schmuck Shamir was elected.

>Has there been any public pressure or demonstration in any Arab country
>for better treatment of Jews or better relations to Israel?

We cannot even publically speak out against the horrors against the Muslim
masses that occurred in almost every Arab country, including Syria, Iraq,
Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, etc.
 
>Have they those who murder Jews been punished?  Or are they called
>heroes?

Give us accounts of Jews who have been murdered for being Jewish in any
Arab country.  I am afraid that you need to realize that the Muslims are
the first to be prosecuted and given worse treatment under Arab governments
before your fellow Jews are.  Please stop this conspiracy theory of Arabs
against Jews.  Or is that what you have been brought up to believe?

Anisa

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