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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: Re: Swastikas
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:30:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:
 >   I am married to a Dutch woman, and her parents were in Holland during the
 > Nazi occupation.  Interestingly, the swastikas don't seem to bother them,
 > but they say if kits with swastikas were sold in Europe someone would break
 > into the shop and trash the place.
Probably so.  But the most problematical is that you will find the
Swastika again all over the place painted by Neo-Nazis.  I think it is
worse in Germany.  I am not a real model builder, but I know the zeal
to get the model right.  The problem with German WWII airplanes is that
so many people have seen them flying in the air and dropping bombs or
whatever.  I know quite a few people who would even consider reconstructing
such a plane as bad practice.
 > But I do know that wartime memories are still very strong in Europe and for 
 > that reason I often leave them off.
True.  Very true.  In the Netherlands it is still custom to not use the
combinations SA, SD and SS on the registration.  Younger people query
why that is the case, but it is because of the unresolved frustrations
from WWII.

The people from Canada, US and other countries overseas do not have that
problem because they simply won the war (there may have been some
casualties, but that is inherent in war), here there are still people
alive that have lived through the war.
-- 
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
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From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Guillows Models
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14: 37:58 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:37:58 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14: 37:32 CDT

   I agree that the Guillows models do not fly very well.  I think this is
not so much due to heavy balsa, but the number of parts.  In order to give
more accurate contours, they have more formers, stringers, and longerons.  They
have more detail, also, then most flying models.  So I usually build them for
display only.  The large size allows lots of neat details.

   One thing I do when covering a section of the plane which is metal on the
prototype is to cover with card stock, specifically used computer punch cards.
Some cards are only punched in a couple of columns, so almost the whole card
is useable. The stock is ultra thin, and embosses very well for rivet detail.
More important, some sort of plastic is added to card to resist moisture-
induced change in dimensions.  As a result, it takes paint very well.  One
coat of paint for a primer-sealer, a very light sand (or steel wooling), then
finish coat.

   I also use this on model ships, and mentioned it in an article I wrote for
Ships in Scale.  If anyone is interested I will post the issue.

PS  The thing I forgot to mention about punch card stock is that it can be
obtained free, or at very low cost!
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Scale Models (space) and special effects
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:49:33
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: forrie@morwyn.uucp's message of Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:00:00 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:00:00 GMT, forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) said:


forrie> I'm looking for some information about the creation of
forrie> professional scaled models (space type), such as those used in
forrie> film making and special effects.

forrie> If someone might help out or knows whom I might ask, please
forrie> let me know.  Thanks in advance...

Send a letter to ILM

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From: ijb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Ivan Baird CET)
Subject: Die cast metal models
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:41:34 GMT

Hello modellers - Does anybody know where I can get a catalogue of any
die cast metal models? I do know there used to be such kits, but I have 
not seen any, nor has a co-worker. I am not talking about the 
pre-assambled kits, but rather the kits you assemble yourself.

Thanks for any assistance in this matter.
-- 
Ivan Baird, CET
MicroRepair Technician      University of New Brunswick
ijb@Jupiter.Sun.CSD.UNB.ca       ijb@unb.ca
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From: karppine@ntc.nokia.com
Subject: IPMS/EAA day at U.S Air Force Museum
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications
Distribution: rec.models.scale
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:51:54 GMT


  There is a modelling event 'IPMS/EAA day' at the U.S. Air Force Museum
  in Dayton (Oct.17). I am planning to visit the museum while on a
  business trip, but is this event worth scheduling my visit during
  this event? Is there any netter with experiences of previous events ?

  And BTW, what is EAA ? And, yes I am also a member of IPMS (Finland).
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague)
Subject: Re: Me-110 Model
Followup-To: Me-110 Model
Organization: Xerox
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:47:25 GMT

> The Fujimi 1/48th scale Me 110 is a very nice kit ...
> I used the Superscale Me 110 decal sheet to do mine.
> Nice decals.

Thanks for that tip.  I also have the Fujimi 1/48th scale model
of Me 110.  The swasticas in the pictures on the box were marked
out, which didn't bother me, but they had also destroyed the swastica
decals, which annoyed me a great deal!!

Not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anything, :-) but when I build a model, I
expect it to to look like the subject, even if a decal is not exactly
"politically correct."

			~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
From: waldrop@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: peanut scale?
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:31:04 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I'm not a peanut scale modeler but am intriged at the prospect. Can anyone tell
me how to get started? Any magazines, books or kits ?

Thanks,
 Larry Waldrop
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
From: crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki)
Subject: Re: Swastikas 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:47:43 GMT
Disclaimer: You can't bring me down!
	<CRUSADER.92Oct15184620@juhani.it.lut.fi>
	<1992Oct15.195258.24707@infonode.ingr.com>
Organization: Pikametallimiehet ( Speed Metal Men ), Finland

In article <1992Oct15.195258.24707@infonode.ingr.com> bishopjl@infonode.ingr.com (John L Bishop) writes:

   Hmm - I recall seeing pictures of Finnish aircraft that had blue swastika
   markings on a round white background.   Perhaps the anti-nazi feelings are
   not so strong in Finland as in the occupied countries.


							   John
Blue swastika on white background was the old Finnish AF id symbol ( 1917-
1944 ). It was changed when we pulled out of WWII to a blue ring on white
background.

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From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Getting started in Peanut
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14: 44:26 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:44:26 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14: 44:10 CDT

   Several magazines feature ads for small businesses that cater to this
market.  I would recommend Model Aviation and Flying Models.  I am at work,
but let me think.  One place is called something like Indoor Model Supplies.
I just cannot think of the names, though I should. Yes, there are several
good books.  My local library has one.  Same suppliers usually carry the
books.  Look for small ads featuring rubber powered stuff (I forgot to
mention that they are rubber powered).  Sterling made a number of kits for
Peanut scale, and local hobby stores here still have those kits, plus a few
other brands of kits.  The Sterling kits were not the best, but the name is
more widely known among hobby store proprietors, so the Sterling kits may
be easier to find.

   An interesting feature of Peanut scale competition is that since the 
models are so easy to ship in ready to fly form, there are mail type contests!
The host club provide proxy flyers who do their best to get the most out of
your model.  They then send model back to you.

   Suggest if you haven't flown rubber models for a few years, (or ever) try
out a non-scale medium size model to get back your building and trimming
skills.  A little bit of a wing warp in a 13 inch model can make for some
pretty drastic flight characteristics!  Incidently, Peanut is a recognized
competition catagory of the AMA.

PS I will bring a model magazine in tomorrow and list some more of the 
sources.
From: mercer@newton.apple.com (Paul Mercer)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Motorcycles
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:56:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct11.143947.29858@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>,
loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Does anyone know of a line of scale plastic model motorcycles
> besides Tamiya?  I'm looking for 1:5-1:15 scale with a mix of styles
> (race, sport, cruiser, dirt, tour) in relatively current models.
> Tamiya is the only one that I know of that carries a significant
> number of streetbikes.
> 
> 	For those with catalogs, I'm looking for models of the Honda
> NT650 GT Hawk, Honda NTV600 Revere and the Yamaha FJ1100.
> 

I too am looking for motorcycle models.  Specifically '91-'92 Ducati 851,
'87 or newer Ducati 750 Paso and '88-90 Honda CBR600.  I visited the local
large hobby shop and found an enthusiast list of model vehicles.  It listed
an 851 kit under the Protar label, #229 available at International Hobby
Supply in Woodland Hills, CA.  Unfortunately, IHS no longer carries that
brand (by the way, the local shop and IHS seemed very unfriendly when I
inquired about Protar.)  Can anyone help w/ tracking down this Protar model
or the others?

While I am at it, anyone seen an '91 Lotus Elan kit?

Thanks for any help.

Paul Mercer
Apple Computer, Inc.
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From: wilson@infonode.ingr.com (Barry Wilson)
Subject: Revell Mislabled 69 Vette - #7149
Keywords: mislabeled corvette
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:47:36 GMT

I have several unopened and factory wrapped model number 7149
1969 - 427 Corvette models.  These are mislabeled as 429 Corvette
models, and the authenticity is verified by several publications
which I have copies of.

If you are a collector of this type of rare stuff, give me an e-mail.



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From: thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Subject: Re: Me-110 Model
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:50:36 GMT


The Fujimi 1/48th scale Me 110 is a very nice kit with engraved panel
lines, overall good fit, and an inteteresting choice of decals, all at
a reasonable price. Don't hesitate to buy it if you want to model
this subject. I used the Superscale Me 110 decal sheet to do mine.
Nice decals.

--Jesse "Sniffer of Southern Glue" Thorn


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From: mauricio@beethoven.aero.ufl.EDU (Mauricio Tavares)
Subject: Vigilante Navy Plane, Camberra (B-57 Intruder) bomber, and Lensman Bike
Reply-To: mauricio@beethoven.aero.ufl.EDU (Mauricio Tavares)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:03:58 GMT

Keywords Vigilante, Camberra, Lensman, help!
--------
	Would anyone know how/where can I get a 1/72 model of that old navy supersonic plane, the Vigilante?  Who does the best Vigilante kit?  I am trying to make a forward-swept wing plane and am thinking on using the plane fuselage for that.  The same thing goes for the Camberra, which I want to modify into a tank/ship/hellicopter killer.

	About the Lensman bike, I have a friend who is after one of those.  Don't ask me what Lensman is because I have no idea myself.  If you know about it, mail me!

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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165940.361@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes...
>In article <13OCT199220375024@rosie.uh.edu> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
>>Someone mentioned political correctness in models.  Let me ask you folks a
>>question.  What do you do with those swastikas and things you find that
>>may offend people when placed on models?  I mean if you live in Europe and
>>happen to be building a model of the Bismarck and want to make it as accurate
>>as possible, do you hedge and not put that huge swastika on the bow?
> 
>I have really had it with this "lets be sensitive to every possible
>sensitivity anyone might have" crap.  If someone is so screwed up in the
>head and is offended by the swastika on a model ship or airplane then
>I sure am not going to worry about it.  
> 
>Really that's all I'm going to say about it.  With so many millions
>of people on this earth, there's prbably a nut case of some type
>that would be offended by almost anything.
> 
>This isn't meant as a flame to the poster, just my hope that this type
>of issue doesn't find a home in this newsgroup.  Build whatever you
>like and detail it as accurately as you please and NEVER let someone
>else censor your hobby!

Hey no prob!  I think its a damn important issue.  Heck, I'd put that 
swastika on for accuracy.  But you gotta realize that pc thing is not going
to go away.  It's just darn near everywhere.  As a modeler, I'd build 
anything that I want to build, but the time will come when you need to
address these questions.  So why not do it now in the safety of your fellow
modelers?

So if you want build a little diorama of the KKK lynching some poor sole
that's fine with me or how about a shadowbox of Jeffrey Dahmer's home or
the list of things that could offend is endless.  So build away and be
happy!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: looking for a KC-135 Stratotanker
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:51:14 GMT
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Robert,

Didn't I just see the KC 135 as the model of the year in the
Squadron Shop catolog tht came intoday?

Dont recall scale or company, but it was availaible.

Juilan Yudelson
From: loseke@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Loseke)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Me-110 Model
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:32:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct9.213205.19660
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

coirier@lerc.nasa.gov (Bill Coirier) writes:

>howdy folks:

>does anyone know who makes a good 1/48th scale Me-110?

>i'd really like to add one to my collection.

Squadron Shop 1992 Catalog has a ME110C/D by fugimi listed on page 9

Kit...   Me110C/D
Scale    1/48
Price    15.25
Sqadron Shop Number FU5AQ02
Phone (214) 242-8663
Fax   (214) 242-3775


Dave Loseke
Embedded System Lab
Dept. of Computer Science
University of Illinois - Urbana

Note:  I have nothing to do with Squadron Shop other than being a customer!!
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Modelcad
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.210453.19336@javelin.sim.es.com>, JECHRIST@130.187.170.178 (JEFF CHRISTENSEN) writes...
>> 
>> In article <9OCT199214344928@rosie.uh.edu>, st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
>> |> In article <9210091342.AA22377@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
>> |> >   Is anyone using MODELCAD?  I have been using some shareware CAD software
>> 
>> 	I am also interested in this Modelcad.  If anyone knows how to get this program, please let me know!
> 
>I own ModelCAD and have used it on an IBM PC (8088 & 386).  It is a good
>package and American Small Business Computers are a good company to deal
>with.  They have been very responsive to any questions/help I have
>needed.  ModelCAD has enough power to do anything you need to on small
>scale drawings.  Not that it can't do a large drawing, it can, but it is
>not a complete drafting package with all commands that make drawing
>easier.  This is definitely not a limitation for a low end package like
>this.  I eventually upgraded to DesignCAD 2D (also a ASBC product) which
>is very nice and actually more than I need (I enjoy playing on computers
>in addition to designing my RC gliders/planes).
> 
>Jeff

Thanks for the info Jeff.  I'm still looking for the ftp ones though.  I'm
on a tight budget.  Besides, I was thinking of doing some simple things.
Nothing complicated you know.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Comments on Stewart's RS3?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:45:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1687C14F8E.DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh) writes:
>Does anyone have any reviews/opinions of Stewart's HO RS3?  I'm quite the
>Alco fan, and the Stewart is the only recent RS I've seen that I could
>even remotely afford ($39.99 at a shop in the St. Pete, FL area).

The Stewart RS3 would have made Steve Stewart richer than Bill Gates *if*
it hadn't been released within a month of Atlas/Kato's model. The Atlas
runs better (the Stewart uses an Athearn-based drive), but IMHO the 
Stewart looks nicer (and is available in at least three versions). The
flat-kit body is a little more complex to build, but it builds nicely,
as another poster mentioned.  The Stewart is short on weight (8 oz, less 
than some Athearn dummies), but a pair (or three!) pull pretty well.

The MDC RS-3 (also released within a month... talk about the worst timing
in HO history) has a body which is a notch of two behind either of the
previous models, and the drive is terrible. (Athearn motor, homebrew
trucks... noisy).

IN the beginning, the Atlas was $45, the Stewart $32 and the MDC $29
(makes you sick, eh?) I bought the MDC ('cause it was cheap) and I
"paid for it" ever since.  My dad bought 3 Stewarts (Made in the USA, 
unlike Kato), and just about everybody else I know bought the Katos.

And let's just say that Kato's made it a little bigger since then (1983).

>OBSOLETE (n.) - dependable, reliable, inexpensive and readily available
  Sounds kinda like Athearn! :-)

Den
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From: DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Rationale for scale speed/time (was Scale speed (was N scale
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:23:01 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <mac.718485854@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu>
mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) writes:
>bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>>50) at a nice slow scale speed.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>I'm very new to modeling, and I don't really understand "scale":
>just how does one scale SPEED and layout SIZE?
 
Leaving aside the whole issue of scale size and selective compression for
those more qualified than I to discuss them and addressing scale speed/time...
 
I just ran across an article in an old issue of RMC (mid- to late-70s, I can
look for it again if anyone's interested) by John Glaab, in which he comes
up with a rationale for "fast time".  Using some fairly simple physics and
math and relying upon acceleration due to gravity (and ignoring the issue of
how to scale weight/mass/etc :-) ) he figures out that time should be "scaled"
by a factor of the square root of the model scale.  For example, an HO scale
fast clock should be sped up by a factor of sqrt(87):1, or 9.3:1, which is
fairly close to the typically-used 10:1.  There are probably some holes in
his reasoning, but it is nice to see some at least semi-valid rationale for
the fast clock. :-)
 
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From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Scale speed (was N scale loco's)
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:17:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: depot.mac.718485854
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
    .....
>What I am looking for is a good locomotive that will pull many cars(20 to
>50) at a nice slow scale speed.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm very new to modeling, and I don't really understand "scale":
just how does one scale SPEED and layout SIZE?

I don't remember what ratio "N" stuff is to the "real thing", but
if I were to model trains in Kansas using (for example) 1/100 scale
equipment, my layout would need to be about 2 miles deep and four
miles high (Kansas is about 200 miles N-S and about 400 miles E-W).
And following this same "scale", a model train would travel about
10 inches/second.

Obviously, neither is reasonable.  So how should one actually
scale layout and speed?
--Myron.
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