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From: inei@dcs.gla.ac.uk (inei)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Setting up drop boxes
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:28:21 GMT
Organization: The Internet

(Glenn Anderson) <Bt6vAM.A1M@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> writes: 

>I am trying to setup a disk that would have a number of drop folders for
>users in a group. A user could drop a file into anyones drop folder, but
>can only read items in his own folder. (Similiar to drop folders on Appleshare
>servers).
> 
>To date, I have things setup so that it looks and acts properly when dropping
>a file into a folder. The problem is that when I switch users to the one
>owning the folder, the files all have the CAP default Unix icon. When one
>trys to drag the files to the trash, you get an error that an idea can not
>be moved into itself.
>
>Any help would greatly be appreciated.
>
A drop-box folder has the following permissions in UNIX:

	drwx-ws-wx  5 support  dropbox       512 Aug 19 15:13 Support

No read permission to group and others and owned by dropbox group.
No problems when you drop a file into the drop folder, but when you
drop a folder into the drop folder, the sub-directory inherits the
access permissions of the parent folder.  Result - user support will
have no search permission on the folder.  This is what the access
permissions of "Printer Queue" looks like in user support's drop folder:

	drwx-wx-wx  4 inei     dropbox       512 Aug 19 15:19 Printer Queue

To implement drop-boxes successfully using CAP, you have to

(1) create a UNIX group, to which all drop-box users must be member of.

(2) For each user, create a folder with the permissions:

	drwx-ws-wx

    chown to user and chrp to drop-box group.

(3) Tell users not to drop folders, or run a UNIX daemon or cron job to
    periodically look for drop folders with drwx-ws-wx permission and
    chmod them to drwxrwxrwx.  I have hacked up such a UNIX program
    and I can e-mail it to anyone who needs it.  The program will also
    weed out drop files/folders that have not been modified for more than
    a week.  This ensures that people do not use drop-boxes as storage
    area and also ensures that the drop-box does not get clogged up with
    litter.

Mail:  Nick Nei, Computing Science Dept.,
       Glasgow Univ., 17 Lilybank Gardens,
       Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK.  Tel: (041) 339 8855 x 5457
ARPA:  inei%uk.ac.glasgow.dcs@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk USENET: inei@cs.glasgow.uucp
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:26:30 EDT
From: <HRC@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Cap printer stop to work

My laser printer is connected to ethernet via a Dyna Etherprint.  I also run
CAP 6.0pl100 from a Sparc2.  With this configuration, I can print through
ethernet.   But now I run the same CAP program from a 670mp.  The printer
stop to receive any data.  I run the CAP with nit interface.  When I start the
CAP program from a different workstation, is there any configuration files that
I must change?   Thanks in advance for any help!


Hai-Ru Chang
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: torstein.meyer@itek.norut.no (Torstein Meyer)
Subject: CAP 6.0: Ultrix-net-cisco-net-FastPath-LocalTalk
Keywords: cap fastpath cisco ultrix localtalk tunnel phaseII
Organization: FORUT Informasjonsteknologi as
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:03:49 GMT
Reply-To: torstein.meyer@itek.norut.no (Torstein Meyer)


I'm looking for advice on setting up my CAP 6.0 patch 125.
In particular, how do I communicate with the remote LocalTalk segment
through our Cisco router and FastPath ?
Our setup :
         IP:192.135.200.0                      IP:192.135.199.0 /
EtherTalk:2-2
-----T-------thinether------------T-     
-T-------thinether------T------
     Ip.30                        Ip.10    Ip.10                  Ip.70
Et.224
DECstation 5125                 Cisco MGS Router               Kinetics
FastPath 8.0.1
Ultrix 4.2c, CAP 6.0 patch 125        :                          
At.253
                                      :      
-----localtalk------T------
                                      :         AppleTalk:1020
                                Cisco MGS Router
                                           Ip.10    IP:192.135.201.0 /
EtherTalk:1-1
                                         
-T------------thinether------T------
                                                                      
Ip.77 Et.??
                                                                   
Kinetics FastPath 8.0.1
                                                                      
At.253
                                                  
-----localtalk------T------
                                                     AppleTalk:1010
Do my CAP applications have to run on the same network as the FastPath
?
Hints on how to configure Cisco to enable AppleTalk (or UDP??) ?
FastPath setup ?
What CAP setup do I use ?
How do I setup atalk.local or etalk.local ?
Could I possibly 'tunnel' AppleTalk packets from net#1020 to net#1010 ?
All sorts of comments are welcome to

Torstein Meyer	Systems Consultant at FORUT IT as, Tromsoe, Norway +47 83
80 150 (fax:82420)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: merrell@caldec.enet.dec.com (Greg Merrell)
Subject: Re: AppleTalk network management tools
Organization: Pathworks Engineering
Date: 20 AUG 92 11:39:58 pdt

> add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham) asked:
> Can someone please give me some comparative information about these
> products?  All I have is the name and manufacturer.  Contact for the
> manufacturer and pricing info would be helpful.  Thanks.

> Inter*Poll - Apple
> RouterCheck - Neon
> Net Watchman - AG
> EtherPeek - AG
> NetMinder - Neon

Here are my thoughts after using most of these for quite some time.

Inter*Poll - While it hasn't been upgraded for quite some time now, it is
still a very useful tool for several things. I wouldn'twant to be without it.
You can get a list of zones and services in each one. You can ping a specific
node either with EP or responder packets. While the timers are too short for a
large WAN, it does work OK for LAN or MAN type environments.

RouterCheck - This is probably the first tool that I use when troubleshooting
network problems on an Internet. It gives very useful information, lets you
look into routing tables easily to see potential problems, and makes it much
easier to see where that unexplained zone name comes from. The latest version
has the beginnings of some SNMP (over AppleTalk) management hooks which will
become more important over time.

Net Watchman - This tool is good when you are worried about crucial services
going away. Things like mail, file, and print servers are the most normal use
for this. Of all the ones that you listed, this is the only one that I don't
use on a regular basis, mostly because I don't run any production servers. For
those who do, however, I think that it would be essential.

EtherPeek & NetMinder/Ethernet - I use both of these tools on an almost daily 
basis. I find that each one has most of the features of the other, but the 5%
difference between the two helps me choose which one to use for a specific
task. I feel that EtherPeek has more flexible decoding features while
NetMinder does a little better job of filtering. Granted, they have other
differences, too, but those are the ones that are most important to me.

In general, the list you have selected are all some of the most useful network
management products around for AppleTalk. There are a few others that I also
use on occasion, but these are definitely at the top of my list.

Apple Computer - go to a dealer
Neon Software; 1009 Oak Hill Road Suite 203; Lafayette, CA 94549; 510-283-9771
AG Group; 2540 Camino Diablo Suite 202; Walnut Creek, CA 94596; 510-937-7900

Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: anderson@fpg.uwaterloo.ca (Glenn Anderson)
Subject: Setting up drop boxes
Organization: Department of Computing services
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:01:33 GMT


I am trying to setup a disk that would have a number of drop folders for
users in a group. A user could drop a file into anyones drop folder, but
can only read items in his own folder. (Similiar to drop folders on Appleshare
servers).
 
To date, I have things setup so that it looks and acts properly when dropping
a file into a folder. The problem is that when I switch users to the one
owning the folder, the files all have the CAP default Unix icon. When one
trys to drag the files to the trash, you get an error that an idea can not
be moved into itself.

Any help would greatly be appreciated.
From: tom@wcc.oz.au (Tom Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: How to kill CAP programs cleanly?
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:05:40 GMT
Organization: Webster Computer Corp, Melbourne, Australia

In article <1992Aug12.181640.10996@reed.edu>, horde@reed.edu (Mr. Heiji Horde) writes:
> In article <85996@netnews.upenn.edu> syen@jupiter.seas.upenn.edu writes:
> >	Hi! How do I kill lwsrv and aufs jobs cleanly?
> 
> To immediately shutdown an aufs volume, send it a "kill -HUP"

This is documented for aufs in the AUFS.8 man page. AUFS.8 and AUFS.1
are particularly good descriptions.

And for lwsrv, this is "documented" in CAP/applications/lwsrv/lwsrv.c,
at the start of main() where it says plainly:

	signal(SIGHUP, cleanup);
	signal(SIGINT, cleanup);
	signal(SIGQUIT, cleanup);
	signal(SIGTERM, cleanup);

"May the Source be with you". (naturally  :-)

This may well be documented better somewhere, but I KNOW where to look
in the source code!
========================
Tom Evans  tom@wcc.oz.au
Webster Computer Corp P/L, 1270 Ferntree Gully Rd Scoresby, Melbourne 3179
Victoria, Australia 61-3-764-1100  FAX ...764-1179  A.C.N. 004 818 455
From: Carson@post.ntu.edu.au (John Carson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Routing between Appletalk and Ethertalk
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:21:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: NTU

In article <1992Aug20.151239.1864@mother.bates.edu>, rob@mother.bates.edu
(Rob Spellman) wrote:
> 
> 
> What devices are available for routing packets between Appletalk and
> Ethertalk?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rob Spellman
> rob@mother.bates.edu
> Computing Support Services
> Bates College

Rob,

There are 2 products that I know of that route between these nets they are
Shiva Ethergate and Shiva Fastpaths the Fastpaths do a great job as we use
them here but are about $5000 Australian the Ethergate is about half that
but as yet we don't have one.

Both these products route TCP/IP there are others which don't do this but
just route appletalk.
Hope this helps.

John Carson  NTUniversity
Darwin Australia
Carson@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Subject: token ring/appletalk questions
Summary: stop laughing, dammit...! ;)
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:46:07 GMT

OK, now that you've stopped laughing and you can read the posting...;)

The folks at our business school have an amazing pure true blue shop that
is running 16MB token ring all over their nice remodeled buildings.  They
were recently infiltrated by a number of new faculty and grad students who
came bearing their own (*gasp*) Macs!

Since they have token ring (not over UTP, unfortunately) running to all 
their offices in nice expensive faceplates on the wall, they want to run
the Macs on TR.

Their net consists of a building wide token ring, going thru an 8209,
going to a proprietary 3com broadband bridge (yes, the campus is wired
for a broadband spine with a 5mb/sec ethernet channel...she waits for
the giggles to cease again...we *are* putting in fiber next year, 
honest...! ;).

Here are the questions:
		
	What are folks experiences with various TR boards for Macs
		(mixed nubus and oldbus).  Is there a scsi TR adapter
		for the Powerbooks?
	What are folks experiences with MacTCP running over 
		tokentalk?  or appletalk over tokentalk, for that
		matter?
	Does anyone know (the business school is asking IBM, but
		I feel more comfy asking here...;) if 8209s do
		anything perverse to appletalk packets?  I'm 
		hoping for experiences here, since I have learned
		how far to trust the specs on the 8209...

Thanks in advance!
-- 
Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
    of the NC Legislature, a mostly owned subsidiary of the DOT.      */
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.novell
From: M21816@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Paul Campbell)
Subject: lpr/lpd printing
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:12:04 GMT

hi all,
 
i have ARCHIEd and GOPHERed around and cannot find any documents on
general printing.  i have been in search of documents that discuss
experiences sites have had working through the myriad of printer
access possibilities.
 
in the last few years IBM mainframe computers have finally come to
grips with the LPD/LPR considerations and have equipped us with the
potential for connecting to other hosts/servers for print purposes.
in light of the new capabilities we would like to explore the
possibility of re-engineering our current printer scheme.  my main
concern at this point is with the appletalk entities and how
connectivity could be best addressed.
 
ideally, i would like to find CAP like capabilities for both VM and
MVS but i haven't heard of any successes in this area.  I would
appreciate hearing from anyone who has had experience comparing any
of the following as printer servers: Sun running TOPS, VAX running
AlisaShare, whatever running CAP and Novell.  issues like capacities,
performance, reliability and functions would be important
considerations.
 
many thanks
 
/pc
 
-------------
Paul Campbell
m21816@mbvm.mitre.org
Bedford, MA
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Crispin)
Subject: Fetch,Liasion,&Mactcp on and SE/30
Originator: rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:53:44 GMT

The SetUp
I have an SE/30 with an EMACS ethernet card attached. I have
installed Farrallon's Liason, Apple's MacTCP, and Fetch. I have
structured Liason so that it sees an Appletalk network on both
serial ports and an ethertalk network on the ethernet port.
The machine has a CDROM drive (apple) and a 330 meg harddrive.
I will eventually be using the machine as a file server as well but
that has not happened yet. I have set up a Mac IIcx with telnet 2.5 set
up to be an FTP server. I use Fetch on the SE/30 to download files.

The Problems
1) It will download for a while (anywhere from 2 to 10 files) purfectly.
All of a sudden I get an odd error saying that there is no longer
a connection. Usually I can ignore the error and keep going. SOmetimes 
I need to close the connection and reestablish it.

2) Eventually, Fetch reports a Bus Error (no error number) and locks up
the machine. I need to reboot to get it back again. Unless I actually
turn off the machine and start from scratch, the bus errors happen
in a shorter and shorter period of time.

I am using the latest drivers for everything.

Can anyone help with either problem.

Thanks
Richard Crispin                 email:rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca
Psychology
University of Waterloo          phone:(519)888-4781
Waterloo, Ont.
N2L 3G1
From: jas@proteon.com (John A. Shriver)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: token ring/appletalk questions
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:49:27 GMT
Organization: The Internet

AppleTalk Phase 2 packets simply cannot be bridged by the 8209.  (Nor
do I know of any bridge that can bridge them.)  The reason is the
crazy business of hashing the Zone Name down to compute a multicast
destination for ZIPGetNetInfo requests.  You take the 16 bit DDP
checksum of the Zone Name, and pass that to the data link.  It then
does a modulus operation on this by the number of multicast addresses
on that datalink, and uses the remainder to index the destination
address.  For EtherTalk, there are 253 different multicast addresses,
while on TokenTalk, there are 19 functional multicast addresses.  (19
is prime, and 253 is 11 * 23, so they are relatively prime.)  Thus,
you can't do any sort of mapping between the two sets of multicast
addresses, a Ethernet to Token-Ring bridge would have to reach into
the ZIP packet and re-checksum the name to compute the correct
multicast destination.  The bridge could not even map them to the
appropriate AppleTalk broadcast address (also a multicast), since
there are hosts (VAX/VMS?) that are picky about the destination being
the right multicast.

I would also note that the 8209 would get extremely confused with the
various mixtures of 802.2 and 802.2 with SNAP that AppleTalk uses.  It
does not have any way to handle the fact that the SNAP PID for
AppleARP Phase 2 is 00-00-00-80-F3 on 802.3 and 802.5.  The 8209 will
insist on mapping that to Ethernet type 80-F3, which is AppleARP Phase
1, which will totally break everything.  (AppleARP Phase 1 is SNAP PID
00-00-F8-80-F3 on 802.5, due to bridging conventions.)

The 8209 would also go crazy if there are any Apples on the Ethernet
side speaking both EtherTalk over 802.3, and IP over Ethernet.  It
assumes that any one host speaks only Ethernet or 802.3.  (As I noted,
it is not standards conformant.)


You could possibly put an Apple Internet Router in parallel with the
8209, and configure the 8209 to block the AppleTalk packets to prevent
looping.  I'm not going to assert this would work very well, there are
a lot of risks getting it all configured right.


The other approach is to throw the 8209 in the dustbin (it is not a
standards-conforming device, and it is quite slow), and replace it
with a bridge-router.  These can continue to bridge any SNA and
NETBIOS traffic, route (or bridge) IP, and route AppleTalk.  Among the
vendors of such devices are Proteon, Cisco, and Wellfleet.

If you have a truly slavishly Blue shop, I suppose you could wait and
wait for IBM to release the 6611 with enough functionality, but it
will sure cost a lot more, whenever it ships at all...
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: wagner@ets.org (Mike Wagner)
Subject: Quickmail Server and ARA|Liaison
Organization: Educational Testing Service, Princeton, NJ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:49:40 GMT

Has anybody hooked up a dial-up service on a Quickmail server? I need to
connect a modem to one of our macs for users to dial into, and I'm thinking
of using either Appletalk Remote Access or Liaison from Farallon. I would
really like to use our QuickMail server for this, instead of dedicating a
separate Mac to the task. Does anybody have any experience with this
configuration? My fear is that when mail is being handled on the server,
routing will fall off the deep end. Thanks for any info.
 
Mike Wagner
Educational Testing Service
Princeton, NJ 08541
mwagner@rosedale.org

--
Mike Wagner
Educational Testing Service
Princeton, NJ 08541
mwagner@rosedale.org
From: johnroc@cats.ucsc.edu (John Rocchio, (x3511))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Turbostar stats ?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:12:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheshire.ucsc.edu



Our NuevoTech TurboStar localtalk hubs [now made by Focus]
come with an in-band monitoring capability that gives a
thermometer view of the current network load.  It occurred
to us that it would be nice to produce network use graphs
if only we could save the results of repetitive polls to
a file.  We tried capturing a few thousand "net load"
response packets on our network analyzer and plotting
the data and, indeed, it seems to work.

Using a network analyzer to capture the polls is time
consuming and inefficient.  I'm hoping that this idea is
so obvious that someone has already written a program
to do it.  Focus tech support wasn't aware of anything
beyond the simple Mac program they pass out with the product
that gives the above mentioned thermometer display.  If
anyone has done anything with the Focus in-band monitoring
capability, I'd like to hear about it.

Thanks...

John Rocchio
Univ of Calif, Santa Cruz

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: webster@bnr.ca (Brent Webster)
Subject: ftp site for cap60
Reply-To: webster@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:14:51 GMT

FAQ: What anon ftp site contains the latest and greatest version of 
CAP with all the patches applied?

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: greg@omnivore.tamu.edu (Greg Economides)
Subject: Re: Getting printing from mac to Sun working
Organization: Center for Biosystems Modelling, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.223747.622@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tom Easterday) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>The mac now sees the printer and sends the file off to the sparc (IPC, 4.1.2)
>and then it gets forwarded to the other sparc (2, 4.1.1) where it sits in the
>queue for a few seconds and then disappears.  Apparently the file has no
>line delimiters in it and the transcript filter drops it.  The printer log
>file shows:

You mention transcript.  If you are indeed using transcript (as I am) you
will probably need to start lwsrv with the three "-T" options to help it
deal with transcript.  See the lwsrv man page.

Peace,


--
Greg Economides,   Systems Administrator, Center for Biosystems Modelling
Texas A&M University
Internet: econ@tamu.edu
Fuzzy logic -- "Everything is not always something"
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk