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From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Vocal music in "Duets", was Re: PIANO Music ...
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:39:47 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <009670A9.6EC6BAA0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> icsip@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.215438.15447@linus.mitre.org>, lksmith@truth.mitre.org
>(Smith) (*me*) writes:
>
>>Next question...does anyone know what was playing on the stereo when
>>Maggie was at Mike's place?  Classical, orchestral, plus a female
>>singer or singers.  I would think it was yet another duet...

>
>I thought, or wanted to think, that I heard some of Mozart's Requiem Mass in
>the background while Maggie was there.  I'd have to check the Amadeus Sound-
>track before I'm sure, though.
>
>Anyone concur?
>
>

I don't think it was the Mozart Requiem -- I know that piece pretty
well (have sung it numerous times) and I think I'd have recognized it.
It took a couple minutes of the scene before I started listening to
the music instead of the dialogue, though, and it's not impossible
that the Mozart was playing first and I didn't notice it.  I'm pretty
sure it was only one piece during the scene, though.  A requiem would
probably be appropriate, of course, considering some people's opinions
of the Bubble Boy! :-)

-- All right, I've attempted to answer my own question.  I called
the NX offices and tracked down the post-production people, with
whom I've just had a fascinating conversation, and from whom I have
a partial answer.  I post it here for anyone else who might have
wondered about this.  The music was a setting of "Stabat Mater."

Unfortunately, this recording was one from their mysterious music
library; I was told that when they use music from the library,
they're lucky to get the title of the piece, let alone the composer
or the performers!  The woman I spoke with was quite helpful -- she
and some others spent several minutes scurrying around their office
(which she told me is wallpapered with tapes and CD's!) trying to
answer my question.  I did find it a bit amusing that, although she
told me that they spend hours choosing just the right music for each
scene, she didn't know the piece without looking it up, and couldn't
pronounce the title correctly!  :-)  After that, I decided not to ask
her why the "Stabat Mater" text, which is an old Latin text concerning
the crucifixion, was appropriate for that scene.  Perhaps that can
be left for net.speculation. :-)

Linda Smith
lksmith@truth.mitre.org
From: benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Rob Morrow-political
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:26:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
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Just to confirm what's already been pretty much established here...

I remember watching the local (Seattle) news and seeing a shot of Rob Morrow
sitting with the crowd at the Seattle Clinton headquarters watching election
returns on tv.  He looked pleased about the results :-)
-Ben (rerun tonight :-(  )

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:05:16 GMT

In article <forb0004.221.727755524@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:

>At least put him 
>in the background as a lovable crank. Pulling Maggie into his world, rather 
>than Maggie pulling him into hers, puts too much of the show in his mode.

Well said.

>(?aaaggh. Whatsername, Joel's Native American receptionist) 
>develops her personality (which had been pretty flat on the show) by 
>revealing that she's a good pianist and has musical interests. 

I liked Marilyn's personality well enough already.  The writers do
spend a little too much time harping on her taciturnity (is that a
word?) but I like it.  I *did* really appreciate the way her
piano-playing was presented without comment -- no "Marilyn??  You have
hobbies??" or the like from Joel.

>Whatsername and Ed went their own unconventional way, and developed their 
>personalities. Maggie still rejects Joel, who is just as "stuck" on his 
>problems as is she, perhaps because of his conventional approach, and 
>gravitates to Mike. 

I think Maggie's approach -- if not her problems -- is at least as
conventional as Joel's.  That's why I dislike her character so much,
and would prefer that she go back to the first-season Maggie.  (If not
less conventional, at least less pacifistic.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Vocal music in "Duets", was Re: PIANO Music ...
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:54:41 GMT

>I thought, or wanted to think, that I heard some of Mozart's Requiem Mass in
>the background while Maggie was there.  I'd have to check the Amadeus Sound-
>track before I'm sure, though.
>
>Anyone concur?

I know it *is* on the Amadeus soundtrack, but I couldn't remember the name...
Wes

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From: 96rpg@williams.edu (the Straw Dogs)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: One Who Waits
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:34:07 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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In article <1jpib9INN7tg@meaddata.meaddata.com> sharonc@meaddata.com writes:

>Question: Since One Who Waits is a spirit, how can he hold the
>door closed on Ed? How can he hold anything that is corporeal,
>since those people who cannot see him (like Joel), would see
>stuff floating in mid-air?

ed's hand is on the door, and (just as if he were an actor :)  ) he
did all the doorclosing. remember that he wasn't in the best of states
at the time (one friend new to nx asked if ed was mentally handicapped
and we all beat upon her) and people can be made to believe all sorts
of things -- and even to act to confirm the illusion to themselves as
well as others. (how's that for a convoluted line?)

>I'm wondering - did they have
>OWW actually hold anything other than the door? Since he was on
>the other side, Ed's father wouldn't see anything, and did seem
>to be night at the time, so no one else would see anything.

if oww did hold things, that would blow the theory, yes. but the
writers were careful to keep oww offcamera in the door scene,
suggesting a metaphysical reason more than the comic one.

just mho, realize... if anyone knows this is wrong, i'd like to hear
and learn...

---
straw dog
From: rice@nosc.mil (Joe Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Who Was The Blind Piano-Tuner?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:05:44 GMT
Reply-To: rice@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division

> >>I'd swear I heard it was an actor named Kevin Conway. 
> 
> >That's what the credits said but then I didn't know who Kevin Conway was!
> 
> Did Conway play a character or guest on the old Dark Shadows show? He looks 
> familiar, but I can't pin him down...


I recall seeing this actor in the 1991 film _Rambling_Rose_ as the 
doctor ("Just so") who urged a radical hysterectomy on Rose.
From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie and Joel
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:11:40 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario

mjsabot@mlinknet.UUCP (Maya) writes:

> Since Morrow was giving the producers so much trouble last summer about his
> contract, maybe by involving him with Maggie they are going to kill him off
> (her past history being pointed out here).   That would certainly solve the
> contractual differences and make him realize that the show has reached the
> point where it is not just about a New Yorker "imprisoned" in Cicely.  
> 
> I think the show would be just as good, if not better without him.  Don't get
> me wrong, I love the character and think Morrow is pretty good...but maybe th
> theory is right.  It is the kind of things that afternoon soaps do all the
> time.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
THEY CAN'T KILL OFF JOEL!  I agree with the main points here, especially 
about how the soaps do this regularly.  But, NX is orginally about Joel 
and would feel like a spinf without him.  It would feel like LA Law does 
this season.  (Where are the original characters?  Who are these other 
people?)  (No offense to those of you who like LA Law, I'm not saying 
it's bad, just it's not the same show.)

Aside from the rational reasons not to kill off Joel,  he has many people 
(even some on this net) who love him.  Personally, he's the man of my 
dreams and I'm not sure that I'd continue to watch NX without him.

My personal theory about this event is that it will show Maggie that 
there is not a one-to-one correlation of sex and death.  I do hope that 
Mike dies from the O'Connel Curse before this, however.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: "Duets" (1/18 episode)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7339]: bourbon
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:26:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.194156.1179@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>things i noticed:
>
>Ed stuck the tape in the VCR upside down. the machine popped it out 
>again, he shoved it back in & sat down. an interesting lapse in 
>editing.
>
>jason

	Look again.  The tape was right-side up, Ed just shoved it
in a little wrong and the machine wouldn't except it.  Mine does the
same thing.  Seriously, look at the scene again.  You can see the tape
is facing the right way.  
	Yeah... I worry about these things, too.  

						Derek

 
Derek Toten
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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8901]: bourbon
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:11:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.201137.1381@tc.cornell.edu> beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers) writes:
>In article <9301212019.AA15765@pravda.cc.gatech.edu> louise@cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy) writes:
>>Gordon Wong (Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca ) writes:
>>> Comments regarding the 1/18 episode of Northern Exposure:
>>>[.....]
>>> [3] When Ed first invited Pete over to dinner, he suggested some meal ideas,
>>>     from steak to Chinese food to KFC. KFC? I didn't know they had a KFC in
>>>     Cicely.
>>
>>I don't think they do.  I thought that it was just Ed, going
>>bonkers over the thought of having his father over for dinner.
>>
>Ok, later in the same show, Ruth Ann mentions a Carvel.  Do you think
>they have one of those?  Especially since they prefer Ben & Jerry's.
>
	Ruth-Anne is from the lower 48 (Seattle, I believe).  She
has only recently come to Cicely... well 25 years, ago, but that's
still pretty recent, right?  The story she told was, presumably, set 
in Seattle some 55-60 years ago.  

					Derek


Derek Toten
From: trish_r@mind.ORG (Trish Rucker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Northern Exposure, Of Course!
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:52:22 GMT
Organization: Fortress Development HQ

I'm new here and just wanted to say hi!   I love NORTHERN EXPOSURE.   
Maggie is my favorite woman character ... John Corbett (Chris) is 
gorgeous (!!!) ... and the music is great.   I think that NE is the most 
well-written show on tv.   I love the way the writers intertwine plots 
and subplots ... and they way they mix comedy and drama.   Would love to 
hear from other fans!
 
If you'd like to write back via Internet, please write
me at the following address:
trish.rucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com
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From: Steve Eiswirth <eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com>
Subject: Re: One Who Waits
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78709356F0100F0@naranja-pc-175.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 23 Jan 93 14:39:49 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:38:43 GMT

In article <1js6jfINNf2d@savoy.cc.williams.edu> the Straw Dogs,
96rpg@williams.edu writes:
>if oww did hold things, that would blow the theory, yes. but the
>writers were careful to keep oww offcamera in the door scene,
>suggesting a metaphysical reason more than the comic one.
>
>just mho, realize... if anyone knows this is wrong, i'd like to hear
>and learn...

In "The Big Kiss," OWW's first and only other appearence on NX, while in
Joel's office, he was able to pick up a magazine off Marilyn's desk and
read it... Joel didn't see the floating magazine because he was talking
to Ed.  It also seemed like Marilyn could see OWW because she is a native
american and not white, which brings up the question "why couldn't Pete
see OWW?"
From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken De Cruyenaere)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Enya & Loreena McKennitt
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:54:58 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1993Jan26.085228.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.194123.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, jld7@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>
>I don't know the name of the episode either, but the one where Maggie finds
>the cradleboard and sewing kit in her front yard ended with a Loreena
>McKennet song from her album Elemental.  I can't remember the name of the
                              ^^^^^^^^^
   The music was from her album _THE VISIT_ and the name of the tune
 I think is Tribute to Avola (or something like that). The one before
 Green Sleeves...
 


>song right now, but it has a vaguely Amerind flavor.
>
>Kellie M-S
>matthews_K@cubldr.colorado.edu


   Ken D.   U of Manitoba
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From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:18:44 GMT

In article <19863@mindlink.bc.ca> Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:

>Comments regarding the 1/18 episode of Northern Exposure:
[material deleted]

>[6] How does Mike get the latest aerial photographs?

I thought they were satellite photos, though I could well be wrong. My wife 
and I immediately wondered what kind of networks Mike was hooked into to be 
able to download this kind of stuff; not very realistic. 

The Mike character's getting kind of old, IMHO. The guy's seriously neurotic 
in a rather unfunny way, and he doesn't seem to be growing out of his 
limitations. I agree that he's a great symbol for a sizable segment of our 
population, but how long can a character remain stagnant? At least put him 
in the background as a lovable crank. Pulling Maggie into his world, rather 
than Maggie pulling him into hers, puts too much of the show in his mode.

>[7] When Maggie wondered why he killed men, she said that maybe she disturbed
>    their negative ions. Negative ions? Why negative?

Negative ions help reduce stress and scavenge free radicals. They're 
naturally generated by waterfalls and thunderstorms, and give the air after 
a rainfall its wonderfully fresh quality. 


>[8] When Maggie sat down with Mike, Joel did notice ... his eyes did move
>    very slightly in their direction. It would have been great if Maggie had
>    bumped into Joel accidentally before she sat down with Mike.

Maggie and Mike both have their avoidance behaviors; birds of a feather. 
On the other hand, Ed confronted some his own fears in discovering his 
father, and (?aaaggh. Whatsername, Joel's Native American receptionist) 
develops her personality (which had been pretty flat on the show) by 
revealing that she's a good pianist and has musical interests. 

Whatsername and Ed went their own unconventional way, and developed their 
personalities. Maggie still rejects Joel, who is just as "stuck" on his 
problems as is she, perhaps because of his conventional approach, and 
gravitates to Mike. 

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Eric Forbis (forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: 
: >[6] How does Mike get the latest aerial photographs?
: 
: I thought they were satellite photos, though I could well be wrong. My wife 
: and I immediately wondered what kind of networks Mike was hooked into to be 
: able to download this kind of stuff; not very realistic. 

   Weather satellites, at least some of them, transmit standard FAX data 
over frequencies that many 'police scanners' can pick up.  It takes a
special antenna to pick them up, but nothing exotic and Mike probably has
a FAX machine and a scanner.
   I suppose he could be getting this stuff from a network, but then wouldn't
he have used that to get the case law info for Chris' defense.  It wouldn't
have been necessary to send Maggie off in her plane to look up stuff in books.
Of course he may just get some perverse pleasure out of getting Maggie to fly
off on various errands for him.
--

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From: larrym@ssec.wisc.edu (Larry McGuire )
Subject: Re: One Who Waits
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:08:35 GMT

In article <1jpib9INN7tg@meaddata.meaddata.com>, sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton) writes:
|> This is a posting for a friend who does not have net access
|> (sympathy cards can be sent to sharonc@meaddata.com, and
|> I'll pass them on to her :-)
|> 
|> Question: Since One Who Waits is a spirit, how can he hold the
|> door closed on Ed? How can he hold anything that is corporeal,
|> since those people who cannot see him (like Joel), would see
|> stuff floating in mid-air?
|> 
|> (Back to Sharon here) I think she watches a little too much
|> Quantum Leap and is drawing a parallel to Al. Well, maybe there
|> isn't such a thing as too much Leap, but you get my point. :-)
|> 
|> Actually, I agree with her, and I'm wondering - did they have
|> OWW actually hold anything other than the door? 


Ed handed the bowl of popcorn to OWW as they sat down to watch the
movie.  OWW did hold the bowl up to smell the popcorn.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Larry McGuire                  larrym@ssec.wisc.edu

Space Science & Engineering Center     
University of Wisconsin, Madison        
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From: cazuzek@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Zuzek, John E.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: "Duets" (1/18 episode)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <1993Jan20.194156.1179@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes...
> 
>for some reason or other the blind guy reminded me of the person (Tom 
>Waits?) who played Renfield in Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Just for the record, Renfield was played by Anthony Hopkins.

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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3458]: bourbon
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:55:05 GMT

In article <C1KqGA.E5B@news2.cis.umn.edu> rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>[...]
>|> But yes, I think you're right.  Portland, not Seattle.  Either way,
>|> the point remains the same:  Cicely has neither a KFC, nor a Carvel's.
>
>The way KFC markets it's product, it is possible for Cicely - or a nearby
>community (fictitious or not :-) - to have KFC chicken and all that goes 
>with it (including packaging and name) and still not have an actual 
>honest-to-goodness KFC store.
>
>\\ Robert J. Granvin                                 User Services Specialist
>// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota            rjg@stat.umn.edu

	I originally made the comment because the subject is actually
referenced in the episode "Brains, Know How and Native Intelligence",
the second NEXP episode broadcast.  Joel sits down for a dinner of
the Colonel's finest with Ed and his Uncle Anku.  Joel, too, is surprised
to see a bucket o' KFC staring him in the face.  Anku tells him he
had to fly to Anchorage for it.  Thought it might make Joel feel at home.
I STILL say there is no Carvel's, though!

					Derek
					toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Derek Toten
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:24:46 EST
From: louise@cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy)
Subject: Bernard does Hyundai?!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
I can't remember if this has been mentioned before, but last
night I saw a Hyundai (yes, Hyundai :-) commercial, and though
I'd heard it before I suddenly heard that it was Richard J.
Cummings, Jr., who plays Bernard Stevens.  Does anyone else think
so?  Has this been discussed before?

He's got a nice voice, anyway.

-- Louise Penberthy


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Dept of CSIS, Kennesaw State College |   means 'without clothes.'"
PO Box 444, Marietta, GA  30061      |
louise@pravda.cc.gatech.edu          |   -- Barry Carl, bass, Rockapella
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From: beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:11:37 GMT

In article <9301212019.AA15765@pravda.cc.gatech.edu> louise@cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy) writes:
>Gordon Wong (Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca ) writes:
>> Comments regarding the 1/18 episode of Northern Exposure:
>>[.....]
>> [3] When Ed first invited Pete over to dinner, he suggested some meal ideas,
>>     from steak to Chinese food to KFC. KFC? I didn't know they had a KFC in
>>     Cicely.
>
>I don't think they do.  I thought that it was just Ed, going
>bonkers over the thought of having his father over for dinner.
>
Ok, later in the same show, Ruth Ann mentions a Carvel.  Do you think
they have one of those?  Especially since they prefer Ben & Jerry's.

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From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Re: Perfectly Tuned Piano?
Organization: Netcom
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:31:50 GMT

WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss) writes:
>In article <sfLdbim00Uh_01AppI@andrew.cmu.edu> "Marvin H. Blachman" <mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>>Okay, so all this symbolism is too deep for me! Could someone explain to
>>me what is wrong with a perfectly tuned piano (and for that matter, a
>>perfect Persian rug). My first synical impression was "job security" (at
>>$150+, he may want to come back soon),

Considering the fact that he was there for three days and there probably
were not any other pianos to tune in Rosylin, he wasn't exactly making
a bundle of money.


>My understanding is that the Persian rug makers would leave one imperfect 
>strand to allow all the evil spirits to escape from the rug. If it was 
>perfect, they would be somehow "trapped"..

Exactly!  that's why I always leave bugs in my software :-)





M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan