From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: STOP BULLYING AND INTIMIDATING MACEDONIAN PEOPLE
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:22:22 GMT
Reply-To: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis)
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Btnxrq.1n9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis) writes:
>
>>In article <BtLxnt.Mw0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
>>(Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>>>sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni) writes:
>>>>
>>>>When Noel Malcolm a journalist from "The Spectator" was in 
>>>>North Greece he wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>  Sitting at a cafe in a Slav village near
>>>>  Florina [Lerin], in northern Greece,
>>>>  surrounded by people talking in the Slav
>>>>  Macedonian language, I pondered this minor
>>>>  miracle. "They say we don't exist," said
>>>>  one of them; "but tell me, do I look like a
>>>>  ghost?"
>>>
>>>   Then, ask Mr. Malcom to visit the University of Illinois.  I could ask
>>>   my friends in the chinize student association to bring their members,
>>>   about 4,000 , and who knows, Mr. Malcolm may get the impression that he
>>>   is in China...
>>>
>
>
>>	I don't know whether Mr. Malcom will get the impression that he is 
>>	in China, but, for sure, he will get the impression that there 
>>	are a lot of Chinese people arround (or, as Mr. Lalonis would say, 
>>      "several bilinguals who speak Chinese languages but consider 
>	themselves to be American").
>
>    Mr. Lolonis would then be quite correct; 99.999% obtain american
>    citizenship after some years; then, they start considering themselves
>    to be Americans, and many start discriminating against black people ...
>
>-- 
>---> Panos Tamamidis
>     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


	Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Read it this way:

	"several bilinguals who speak Chinese languages but consider
	themselves to be ethnic American-Indians."

	And now, does the statement in this analogy sound stupid enough
	to you? If it does, as I hope so, you can see how did your original
	mental excursion about the Chines students at the University of 
	Illinois sound. 

	Note that here "speak" means "their mother tongue is", and not
	that they have learned how to speak a foreign language in the spare 
	time.

	Let's make it even more clear:

	People in Lerin whose mother tongue is "slavic language" ARE 
	Greek citizens, indeed, but what they claim is that they are NOT 
	ethnic Greek. 


	Is this that difficult to understand? I am afraid that you are missing 
	the point on purpose, and confusing the subject of discussion due to 
	the lack of arguments.
 
	Or, maybe, you are not doing that on purpose? In that case I am 
	sorry, realy sorry.	
	
	
	Lou



P.S. Your comments about Chinese who immigrate in USA are, IMO, rasist.
     What is wrong if they immigrate in USA in a legal way? Or if they
     become American citizens? Do you know how many Greeks have done 
     the same?  

     Regarding your claim that "many start discriminating against black 
     people ...", what can I say? Is  it different than discriminating
     against any other people? Say, for example, Macedonians. 

	
























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