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From: xia@acsu.buffalo.edu (Xinfu Xia)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sentra timing belt
Keywords: timing belt
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:40:48 GMT
Organization: UB

Have you Sentra owner had enough of the idiot sensor light ripe off??
Here is a another item.  Two local Nissan deals send me two coupons for
change the timing belt at 60K mi.  One for $239, another for $165.
I suspect they are playing the game to make us think we can save 
$239-$165=$74 .    I checked the local auto store.  The price for
the belt is $16 some thing.  So what the hell can they sell me the
great saving at $165 ???
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kam@mprgate.mpr.ca (Danny Kam)
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Reply-To: kam@mprgate.mpr.ca (Danny Kam)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:23:51 GMT

I was looking for a new car a month ago.  Initially, Prelude is at the
top of my list. But after sitting in one, I have changed my mind. The 
styling looks cool; the engine is ok; the handling is great; BUT interior
is awful. Seat is not comfortable for a big guy like me (over 200 lb) and
the worst about this car is the rear seat leg room and the trunk size.

I remember when I was looking at the rear seat and the trunk, the salesman
has two comments (Just thought I should share with you):

1) Who cares about the people at the back as long as you two are comfortable
   in the front!!

2) When I ask to see the trunk, he said and I quote: "Sure, go ahead, it won't 
   take long."

Well, although I think the new Prelude is a better car than the new Mazda MX-6,
it is not pratical.  Instead, I have bought the new BMW 318i and it is a great
car. Check it out.

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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:40:20 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Aug18.030456.544@informix.com> aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) writes:
>In article <kelley.713762232@cwis> kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
>>If you would rather not cut them off, as suggest before, you can fall
>>back onto a thiefs trick...take a socket, about a 3/4 inch I think,
>>hammer it onto the keyed lug, and use a socket wrench to turn it
>>...
>
>Is the implicit message behind all of these locking lug work-arounds that
>they are of little value in deterring wheel theft?  e.g. do they just turn a
>two-minute job into a two-minute fifteen-second job?

Pounding a 12-pt socket onto a locking lug nut with a 5-lb sledge is
much more conspicuous and time-consuming than finding a car that
doesn't have wheel locks.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Paint Experts: does good paint easily chip?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:24:07 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <77876@ut-emx.uucp> ben@ut-emx.uucp (Benjamin J. Sloan) writes:
>A friend recently spent far too much (>$1000) on getting a spiffy
>white paintjob for her BMW 633.  The mechanic, who I consider on the
>take, claimed it was fabulous "mercedes white" paint that made the
>job so pricey.  
    
    1000 is NOT a very decent paint job...a good one is more likely
    to cost in the 3000+ range.  1,000 is about average, and doesn't
    buy much in the way of special paint, prep, etc.

    A decent job also takes about a month...

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From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:03:10 GMT


   My first car was a 72 Maverick that was very reliable and very easy to
work on. Also was fairly good on gas (tired engine) and had decent pickup
in that straight six.
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Buying used 1988 Honda Accord LX
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:17:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <SYNTH.92Aug22130956@deepthought.unm.edu> synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>
>shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>shun> For Accords prior to and including '85, you are supposed to change
>shun> the timing belt around 60K miles. They cheanged the design in '86.
>
>This is in dispute.  My Honda dealer told me the new timing belt design
>(which requires a change every 90,000 miles) took effect with 1987 models,
>and still other Honda dealers have said the design changed in 1988.  I
>tend to assimilate this info by defaulting to 1988 as the cut-off year.

Just to clarify things: my dealer told me that for Accords upto
and including '85s, you are supposed to change the timing belt
(and the water pump) around 60K miles. There was a major change
between the '85 and '86 Accords (the cars look totally different,
different engines, etc.), and I was told that the 60K mile
recommendation doesn't apply to '86 and on. However, for most
if not all cars, one probably wants to replace the timing belt
at a certain point anyway.
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Xref: sparky rec.autos:19784 rec.autos.driving:4859
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:50:43 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Aug12.030510.7717@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>Has anyone seen this commerical?
>
>Heh..I like it..the announcer says, "Even the 65 grand ZR-1 doesn't
>come with this cup holder that is in the Caviler"...
>
>But really..I've noticed GM doing some good advertising lately,
>like the "DRIVE SOMETHING REALLY FOREIGN" and they show the 
>Eurosport...and whatelse...o yea...the Camaro commercial where
>they compare the Camaro to a naval flight deck...
>
>I don't know what or who told Gm to wake up the last couple of years...but
>it is really working eh?
>
>I still say the guy in the ZR-1 should of floored it and left the Caviler
>in smoke....
>--
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>=-> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu <-=  *  Huntington Beach, California  * NOT
>==============================  *  (Surf City, U.S.A)            * EAT
>"It's the greenhouse effect, officer. That's why I am not wearing pants."


The ZR1 could never pass that cavalier. They had stuffed a cizeta moroder
V16 drivetrain in it. It could have left the vette in a pile of fiberglass
if that dumb driver hadn't been playing with the cupholder.
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From: thomas@bit.UUCP (Thomas Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: '86 Subaru - reset EGR light, how?
Keywords: subaru EGR light
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.405
Distribution: usa
Organization: BIT, Portland, OR


Another one of those "how do I turn off the EGR light" request.
;-( 

'86 Subaru - where is the magic "button"? A fellow Datsun Roadster
enthusiast asked this of me, as I know "all about cars!" Sigh, I have
enough fun keeping up with 25 year old roadsters!

email is fine, or post it (I read r.a.t. daily),

Thanks,

Thomas Walter			internet: bit!thomas@cse.ogi.edu
Beaverton, OR			punt it!: thomas%bit@cse.ogi.edu
Datsun Roadster Journal - tech editor

P.S. posted this a couple of days ago to 'pnw'; alas no replies 
(despite the number of subaru's running around in Oregon/Washington).
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford vs Chevy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Aug21.101243.4987
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


As you headline lists Ford vs Chevy

Now let's be serious there have only been two engines that could compete
with Chevy in history.  The 426 Hemi of MOPAR, and the old 427 of FORD.
Unfotrunatly neither of these mills are made today. That is why

  CHEVY RULES


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From: woods@sab46.larc.nasa.gov (Peter Woods)
Subject: Re: HumVee 4 Sale??
Keywords: HumVee, AMC, LTV
 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:15:25 GMT

|> AMC does NOT NOT NOT manufacture Hummers.  AMC is defunct, belly-up,
				    ^^^^^^^
|> jim grey

	Finally!  Another person who calls it like it is!  HUMMER!  Not HumVee.
	Whoever thought up HumVee anyway?  Ask anybody who worked at the
	AM General plant in South Bend/Mishawaka.  It was originally dubbed 
	the HUMMER.

	Peter J. Woods
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HumVee 4 Sale??
Keywords: HumVee, AMC, LTV
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:59:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Aug18.132000.17645@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@iedv7.acd.com ( Jim Grey ) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> AMC does NOT NOT NOT manufacture Hummers.  AMC is defunct, belly-up,
|> bankrupt, history.  Hummers are made in Mishawaka, Indiana by a division of
|> LTV.  Yes, you can buy one, if you have $40K lying around.
|>  
|> I used to work in Mishawaka/South Bend.  I worked for a courier service; one
|> of our customers was LTV, at that time called AM General.  This was 1986, 
|> before anyone had heard of the Hummer outside Northern Indiana.  It sure was
|> cool to see a billion of them sitting around on their lot.  What's more, they
|> always left a smidge of gas in all of them, so if an employee needed to scoot
|> from one end of the compound to the other, they'd hop in one, press the start
|> button, and haul butt.
|>  
|> 

As far as I know, it's still called AM General.  As a footnote, a smidge of gas
would not let anyone drive too far, let alone start it up since they have a 6.2l
Detroit diesel under the hood!


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Care to comment on Alfa vs. Miata?
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.035833.14602@leland.Stanford.EDU> dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz) writes:
>I drove a Miata a few times and had a lot of fun.  Now I'm
>contemplating getting that type of machine (probably used).

>Never had a chance to drive one of the Alfa models, though.
>Any thoughts or experiences comparing the two, in terms of owner costs,
>pure fun of driving, etc?

the Alfa is a much older design; the basic suspension dates from
1963; the original body from a 1965 show car (production commencing
in 1966.)  despite claims to the contrary, parts for modern alfa
spiders are mostly plentiful, and not too outrageously priced, provided
you look in the right place.

the age of the design is noticeable, especially in the creaks and groans
of the flexible chassis, but it was a very good design in its time, and
has aged well.  since you're talking used, i can tell you that Alfas
depreciate very rapidly, so if you're talking about picking up a car
that is 4 or 5 years old, then you are looking at much lower prices.

post 81 spiders are fairly reliable cars; the bosch electronic
fuel injection and ignition solve many of the traditional problems
of alfas; the sheet metal got much better in quality, and more care
was taken in rustproofing.

the miata will probably still be more reliable, but the alfa spider
is a very fun car.  check it out.

richard
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Chrysler TC by Maserati
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:52:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.023618.1612@ulowell.ulowell.edu> hdasilva@cs.ulowell.edu (Herbert DaSilva) writes:
>  Unless I'm sadly mistaken, there never was a TC with a V6.  All TCs
>  came with a TurboIII engine rated at 180hp for the auto version, and
>  200hp for the 5-speed version.
...
>  The engines were less powerful fore-runners to the current 224hp
>  TurboIII, and although parts are hard to get for these particular
>  motors, they should be good on reliability.

if i remember correctly, the chryslerati's engine had 16-valve
heads developed by maserati.  but wasn't the DOHC turbo available
only with the 5-speed?  i thought the automatic was
paired with a different engine (not just a detuned version of the
DOHC turbo) - the turbo I?  i'm pretty sure this engine was missing
either the multivalve heads or the turbo.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: T-Bird turbo coupe
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.191746.3484@digi.lonestar.org>
breese@digi.lonestar.org (Bryan Reese) writes:
>We have both suffered with the (high idle) problem off and on for the past
>couple of years.  It is very inconsistent.  I haven't seen the problem since
>the last time I took my car in for repairs.

It looks like they followed the service manual directions to a T. This is 
the best they can do; they will never be able to get it right; for the record,
FORD'S ENGINE CPU IS TOO STUPID TO HANDLE IDLE SPEED CONTROL OR COLD STARTS 
PROPERLY.

>Some of the things that they did are (from memory): replaced the TP sensor,

  Throttle position sensor. Allegedly tells the CPU how much you're into the
  throttle.

>replaced the vain flow meter,

  Vane flow meter. Tells the CPU the air input flow and the temperature.

>a sylonoid,

  Your Idle Speed Controller solenoid. Allows (an allegedly controlled) amount
  of air to get into the upper intake manifold.

>cleaned the throttle body, cleaned the injectors (I run 92+ Chevron),
>and a lot of diagnostics.

  Here "diagnostics" == "head scratching". They put their techs over a barrel
  by releasing a shitty computer, and then giving no real means to fix it.

>Everytime I brought my car in for the high idle, they could
>never find anything wrong.  Usually in the case of our cars, if
>you turn the car off and then on, it would clear the problem.

Just like in my Merkur. Brain-damaged EEC-IV CPU.

>I know it may not be much help, but it is an indication that if
>it is the same problem we have, it may be hard to find.

It's not a bug; it's a feature.

	-Kenny
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From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:19:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <RRUSK.92Aug19151532@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> 
rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com writes:

>In fact, it seems that nobody except VW and Mercedes are bringing 
>them in now.  And nobody puts one in a small pickup, van, or station 
>wagon for under $30K.

Speaking of diesels, when did VW stop making that Rabbit pickup?  Seems
to me that most, if not all, of those were diesel powered.  Were those
made in the US?


>I often wonder if Americans lost interest in diesels due to the horrid
>Oldsmobile V8 and V6 diesels that GM sold so many of in the late 70's
>and early 80's.  I have yet to meet anybody who cares for their cars
>who has had major trouble with any diesel except for the Oldsmobile
>and the GM 6.2.

I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective.  The fact that 
diesels became briefly popular at all in the U.S. was an aberration, the 
result of the fuel scares of the Seventies; most people who bought them
wouldn't have been willing to put up with them otherwise.  I don't think 
I would.  The GM 6.2 debacle only hastened their inevitable demise in the
American market.  

Compared to gasoline cars, the things are noisy, gutless and smelly, and 
you have to search around for fuel.  I don't mind catching an occasional
whiff of diesel exhaust, but I was stuck behind a Peugeot diesel for a 
couple of miles on the way home from work yesterday, in stop-and-go 
traffic, and in that concentration the stench was enough to puke a buzzard.  

I rode in a 300SD Turbodiesel once, and I admit that the turbo seemed
to bring the car's acceleration into the acceptable range.  But that's
a lot of cash for an "economy" car, and the other disadvantages of diesel
power would remain.

I've noticed that most of the surviving VW Dashers are diesel models.
That says a lot for their mechanical longevity, but I make it a point never
to get behind them at red lights because of their sluggish acceleration.



Geoff


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From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Again
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:27:41


<Helen Tatistcheff writes...>
>I wonder if there is anything special I should keep in mind when breaking in
>an engine with variable valve timing.  I don't know that much about how this
>particular engine works, but I read that the engine in the VX undergoes a
>change in valve behavior at around 5000 rpm.  If I break the engine in
>carefully and never take it over 4000 rpm, then there is a whole range of
>motion that the engine hasn't experienced by the time I deem it broken in
>and start to really have fun.

As I understand it, the VVT in the civics (VX and Si) differ:

The VX has one of its intake valves always closed below 2500rpm.  Above
2500 rpm, it operates normally.  When the engine is running at 2500rpm or
below, it is in the lean burn mode that gives the engine its high fuel 
efficiency.

The Si has a different cam profile for both intake valves that is actuated
above 5000 or 5500 rpm (redline 7200rpm).  The idea here (I guess) is to
have a cam profile more suited to power production at high rpms.

There is one other permutation of VTEC that is available on the Integra GS-R
and NSX, and it has a different, high-speed cam profile for both the intake
and exhaust valves.  E.g. the Japanese Del-Sol Si-R has the same 1.6l engine as
in the 1992 Civic Si, but with the full-blown VTEC;  hp goes from 125 to about
160 as a result.  Too bad it wasn't available here.

As far as break-in recommendations, I'm not sure which is best.  Probably
a gradual increase in engine speeds as your mileage increases for the first
1k miles or so.

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Subject: 1980 Buick Regal Limited Edition
Summary: Request for advice;owner comments
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:38:58 GMT

  I'm considering buying a 1980 Buick Regal Limited Edition.  It has
77,000 miles, but the engine has been replaced with one with 50,000
miles (due to the carelessness of teenage owner), new battery, tires
with about 15,000 miles on them.  generally a pretty clean car.  
Questions:
1)  If you own such a car how do you like it? Problems?
2)  The air conditioning has been disconnected.  How much do you think
in the Midwest it would cost to have it hooked up again.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cwamsley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher Wamsley)
Subject: Re: SUV Mailing List?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.180454.15469@pencom.com> gad@pencom.com writes:
>
>Does anyone know if there is a mailing list for Sport Utility Vehicle 
>interests or general offroad (4X4) discussions? 

   I too am interested if anyone knows of one.  Also, does anyone know how
to go about finding public 4 wheel drive trails.  I know of a few in bordering
states from magazines, but none here in Ohio.  Thanks.


  -- Chris Wamsley

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 06:54:46 MDT
From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: SLICK 50: Good or bad?


Well, I am always sceptical about things ike S50, but my 84 Pont J2000 was
having terrible overheating problems.  The car had more than 100 000
miles on it and overheated when idling in town.  I replaced everything
associated with the cooling system operation except the radiator
without any effect.  Finally, I purchased S50 because I figured it could't
hurt.

My car has not overheated since, and here in Utah we are in the midde
of summer.

I don't want this to be a testimonial.  I am more interested in finding why
my overheating problems disappeared.  

Any comments?

David Early
From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Police Tauri
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:31:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug11.165114.89188@evolving.com> rhw@evolving.com (Robert H. Wiebener) writes:

>I got an invoice price list, from a "black book", for the Taurus a few
>months back.  I was surprized to see a "Police Equipment Package".  Don't
>remember all the details, but for about $1,700 you got (in the immortal
>words of Jake and Elwood) cop shocks, cop tires, cop engine, cop frame,
>etc.  It looked interesting.  Wonder whether a citizen can purchase a
>Taurus with this package?

I dunno... but I wonder if you have to deal with the black wheels/
"little-dinky" hubcaps if you buy one!  (If so, it should be easy to
pass people on the highway... they'll all think you're a cop!).

-Den
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