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From: seody@geo1.eecs.nwu.edu (Dae Y. Seo)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:14:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.000547.21418@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <14ks0cINNgfk@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>>What a joke, especially for those who claim to be Christians.  When I 
>[...]
>>Jesus never specified when he'd come back.  In fact, he said 
>>that not even the angels in heaven know. 
>[..]
>
>That's the ONLY way to keep it valid.  As soon as you give a specific time,
>then your days are counted.  Maybe it explains why all the surviving and
>prospering religions are vague about the future.  Be vague!  Avoid
>specifics!
>

It is the universal theory. Be vague if you want a theory to be everlasting.:)

>> I just think that this is a 
>>stupid and a sad thing that's happening in Korea.
>
>As I understand it, this one did not start in Korea.  I have seen this
>stuff in hispanic channel as well.  It is my understanding that it started
>somewher in latin america.
>
As far as I know it is based on the novel "Raptured --the second coming
of the Lord" ('78) written by Ernest W. Angley and translated into 
Korean by Pastor Lee, Jang Lim. In the original book there is no specific
date. After translation Pastor Lee insisted the date would be 10/29/92 and
the number of the raptured people ( so-called lucky people who will avoid
Dae-Whan-Ran) would be 144,000 which is less than the total number of the
pastors:). Remembering the Nostradamus' predict --the Doomsday in 1999 after
7 years of apocalyptic disasters, it's not hard to find the year would be 1992.
I have found the novel is interesting in itself.
 .

>Although it is stupid to believe in such story, (it is stupid because you
>look bad after a certain date.  if you believed something vague, then you
>still remain vaguely correct.) someone is making money behind this fear and
>panic.  Whenever you see why this kind of things happen, see who is
>benefitting from it.  Invariably the benefactors are the proponents.  There
>is not much opposing movement to joke because no one makes money opposing
>it.  The same goes for other religions as well.
>
>>Chris M. Kim
>
>James Choi

D. Y. Seo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin)
Subject: Re: Question about VISA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:17:40 GMT

In article <kim.712366267@xanth> kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55) writes:
>
>Hi  gangs !!!
>
>To whom anybody know about my question!!!!
>My VISA(F-1) Was expired several months ago, and I have to renew it
>because I am scheduled to visit 3rd country.
>How can I renew it?
>I asked this problem TO korean travel agency in L.A, but their answer
>is that I have to go to korea.
>Is that only way to go to korea just to renew it?
>Can I do that by mail or other way?
>
>Give me a way!!
>
>Thanks in advence.
>
>Email: ohkim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov



Hi,

	Generally, a national of Korea must request for or renew a
nonimmigrant visa in an American ambassy or consulate in Korea.
However, the law does allow such an individual, let's say one who is
renewinghis F-1 visa, to apply at an ambassy or consulate located in a
country other than his own.  To do this, the applicant must show a good
reason why he is requesting a renewal in a country other than his home
country.  The decision is in the discretion of the consular officer who
reviews your particular application.  As you know, in order to renew,
you must present the following documents to the consular officer:
1.	a valid passport or other acceptable travel documents (at least
valid for six months beyond the date of your interview with the consular
officer)
2.	a properly-endorsed I20ID page (used to be page 4 but I think
they just changed the format of the form I20A-b) of your I20A-b if you
will continue the same program in the same school you are attending now
(your internatioinal student advisor must endorse this page just prior
to your departure from the U.S.); if, on the other hand, you are
returning to a different school or to a different program in your old
school (e.g., you were an undergrad but when you return, you will be a
grad student), you must obtain a full new I20A-b from the international
students office of your new school.
3.	a proof of your financial capability of paying for all the
expenses while in the United States (including your education and living
costs); such a proof may include scholarship award letters and/or
certificates of account balance (which you and/or your parents can get
from your and/or their bank).

	So there you are.  When you return to the U.S., you will have to
present the above three items again to an immigration inspector at the
port of entry (in addition to your new visa, of course).  It is not that
difficult to renew your visa if you are well-prepared.  The only problem
you might have is whether or not you can persuade the consular officer,
who is interviewing you, that you have a really good reason for applying
in a third country.  If you have any further questions about this
process, please let me know....



-SK Shin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: herrell@marlin.cps.msu.edu (Richard Herrell)
Subject: To mc5
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:05:10 GMT

	I live in Michigan.
		Do you help to put out the MNM NEWS from Ann Arbor?
	(Maoist National Movement)  They have similar types of code names 
	associated with their articles.

	--Rich
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From: ron@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ron Williams)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:43:09 GMT

cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho) writes:
: Hope this is not irrelavant to this group.
: In Korea, 'Jong-Mahl-Lon'(eschatology) is drawing an attention from both 
: religious and non-religious people. Some, I mean not many, Christians claim 
: that there'll be an airial advent of Christ on Oct.28 this year.They say it
: "Hyu-Geo" (rapture?) On that day, those who have prepared for
: Christ will be salvaged.  According to them, they'll be lifted and placed
: on the air, and for those who remained on earth, there'll be a
: big hardships (Dae-Hwan-Lahn).They'll be dead and every culture will
: be destroyed.Sounds funny or interesting?
: I myself is neither a Christian nor a Hyu-Geo believer, but somewhat
: interested in the theory. Seems like that only here in Korea(yes, I'm in
: Korea) the Hyu-Geo Theory draws a bit attention among Christians.
: I'm curious that how Korean Christian students or any other who stays abroad
:  think about it.
: 

I personally think that Christianity, at least in its fundamentalist form,
is a mind-virus, and not worthy of the attention of intelligent people. That
many apparently intelligent people are infected by this nonsense is a cause
for sadness - especially in Korea, Japan and China, all countries in which
there is already a very fine tradition of spiritual enquiry. I am speaking
of course of Son, Ch'an, or Zen. One should not allow the misdeeds of
poorly trained monks to divert attention to the very valid psychological and
spiritual training system offered by a good temple. 

I don't wish to offend the many sincere Korean christians, but my opinion is
that the novelty (and showmanship) of christianity has blinded them to true
spiritual values.

Sincerely,

Ron Williams.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hsong%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song)
Subject: olympic update wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:03:30 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


hello, netters!

here in utah, it takes about a week to get a korean newspaper.
nbc, of course, gives no medal stories of korean atheletes.
could anyone post olympic update of korean medals on a regular basis?
i heard that there are 2 gold medals so far and no siver or bronze medals.
other trivias on korean teams will be greatly appreciated.

thank you in advance.
From: rcoleman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Rick Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Info about Hwarang
Keywords: hwarang
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:54:04 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

Hello.  I am looking for information, specifically publications, 
journals and books, in English, about the hwarang organization of the 
Silla.  Specifically interested in the origin of the group, it's 
early history regarding the 1st. unification of Korea and it's 
philosophy.  Also interested in It's current status as a martial art
both in Korea and out.

Thanks in advance

Rick
rcoleman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
From: sytang@euclid.math.colostate.edu (Shoou-yu Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Any Korean TV broadcast in the C or Ku band
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:39:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins


 Hello:
 Is there any Korean TV broadcasting in the C or Ku band through the satillte
 (the one that can be received thru a small dish not the normal big dish)?
 If so, what's the channel and location?
 Thanks
 Tang
 sytang@euclid.math.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su (rewa sergey vladimirovich)
Subject: Looking for partners !
Reply-To: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su
Organization: Fact-INFO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:08:54 +0400

             *** LOOKING FOR CONTACTS ***
  We beg the pardon for using this conference,but we didn't
find any other. We are looking for commercial/trade contacts
in countries of South-Eastern Asia (Japan,China,Korea,Hongkong,
Taiwan etc.). So,if anybody can provide us with Internet or Bitnet
adresses of interested centres/firms/companies in named regions,
we'll be extremly thankfull.
Our commercial interests are widely spread in the sphere of
consumption.
Please,answer us directly, 'cos we don't read this conference.
 - Sergey Rewa - (Fact-INFO firm,Khabarovsk,Russia)

Internet : SERG@FACTINFO.KHABAROVSK.SU



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From: chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:46:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

What a joke, especially for those who claim to be Christians.  When I 
went to Korea this summer I think those people were at every subway 
station.  But here in the U.S. (Berkeley, CA) I haven't heard anything 
about that from any of my Christian and non-Christian Korean friends nor 
from any of my non-Korean friends.  I haven't heard about that from 
Koreans here who can't speak English, so I guess it's a non-issue here.
Besides, anybody who has read the Bible (at least one of the gospels) 
must know that nobody knows the time or the day of the Christ's second 
coming.  Jesus never specified when he'd come back.  In fact, he said 
that not even the angels in heaven know.  I just think that this is a 
stupid and a sad thing that's happening in Korea.

Chris M. Kim
From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Was 'Kamatari' a Korean?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:14:29 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


   Hello, Folks
   Could anybody teach me?

   Recently I watch the Korean TV program, Sam Kook Ki (The Tale of
Three Kingdoms), on the International Channel. In this historical drama,
a Korean named 'Kang-Dal' was sent to Japan from Paekje, and the narration
(exactly English subtitles of the narration) said he became 'Kamatari 
Fujiwara' in Japanese history.
   I was very surprised and took much interest in that, because 'Kamatari
Fujiwara' was a very important keyman in Japanese history. He carried
out 'Taika' Revolution with Prince 'Nakano Ooe', and he and his son,
'Fuhito', made the foundation of the ancient Japanese government system.
During 8-11 centuries, 'Fujiwara' family, his descendants, really ruled
Japan. Of course, usual Japanese historical books said he was a Japanese.
   Maybe some Japanese will be angry and said that is wrong, if they 
hear it. However, I don't think so, because the Japanese history before
7 century is unclear, and many Korean came to Japan and became the 
nobility.

   I would like to know if this theory, that 'Kang-Dal' became 'Kamatari
Fujiwara', is main and popular in Korea. And is there any record that
supports this theory?

   I'll appreciate you, if I get any information.
Thank you

**********************************
*       Hirokatsu Watanabe       *
**********************************
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From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: T.V.(Miniseries,"JilTu")
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:47:48 GMT

One comment about "JilTu": the writer of the series said (in a newspaper)
that she didn't want to force any morals ,rather she wanted to just reflect
current young people's way of living....so there are no parents except for
Hakyung's mom (apparently to talk about TV drama writers and PDs).. and
all the young people are very liberal (dating two persons at once, Cherry's
statement about making lots of money things..).
Anyway, I liked the series very much..it's fun..actings are not perfect but
I think directing is perfect..background musics are really good..story goes
real fast...etc,etc.

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:28:01 GMT

BTW, your subject line, "... Korean Christians in the world" sounds a bit
weird, no?  :)

In article <15766@pitt.UUCP> cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho) writes:
>Hope this is not irrelavant to this group.
>In Korea, 'Jong-Mahl-Lon'(eschatology) is drawing an attention from both 
>religious and non-religious people. Some, I mean not many, Christians claim 
>that there'll be an airial advent of Christ on Oct.28 this year.

Maybe he wants to run for president, too.  The question is whether it's in
US or in Korea.  I bet it's US.  Jews have more power here.  :)

>They say it
>"Hyu-Geo" (rapture?)

What the $%*& is that?  Is it a Korean word?

> On that day, those who have prepared for
>Christ will be salvaged.  According to them, they'll be lifted and placed
>on the air, and for those who remained on earth, there'll be a
>big hardships (Dae-Hwan-Lahn).They'll be dead and every culture will
>be destroyed.Sounds funny or interesting?
>I myself is neither a Christian nor a Hyu-Geo believer, but somewhat
>interested in the theory.

You just want to avoid your final exam, don't you?

> Seems like that only here in Korea(yes, I'm in
>Korea) the Hyu-Geo Theory draws a bit attention among Christians.
>I'm curious that how Korean Christian students or any other who stays abroad
> think about it.
>

I think more about how I can collect rent from the cockroaches in my NY
apartment. 

Andrew Kim
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Maoist reply to Brian Chung
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:17:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <9207311807.AA20979@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (Maoist Internationalist Movement) writes:


> If everyone is still with us, we can proceed to proving our
> point. All we did in this post is talk about values. Also,
> maybe someone can suggest another conference to carry on this
> discussion of ethics and what Maoism is. We can have it there
> and come back here for applications to Korea. On the other
> hand, Maoism is connected with the Chinese Revolution (1949),
> was a factor in the Korean War, influences today's revolutionary
> student movement in Korea and may have been the single most important
> factor in shaping U.S. policy toward Korea. So if there
> aren't any objections, we can continue this discussion here. Opinions?


Hey, that's it. Maoist killed J.F.K. 



P.S. You want my opinion, whatever you are.
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Ladies and Gentlemen, please
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:28:19 GMT

As the title suggests(:-)). Ladies and Gentlemen,please...make sure your
posting about the address system would be directed to proper groups. Some
people in soc.culture.korean might be interested..but I have not seen anyone
from s.c.k joining this discussion...  Could you just constrain postings to
soc.culture.japan,sci.archaeology..... (BTW, sci.arch people are really
interested in this??? :-) )

Hmmm..final comment : I think Korean address system is really messy. I could
never tell how it was constructed... but mails (almost) always get to the
right place.. :-)

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: After watching it (Jiltu)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:01:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

Someone argued that it's unrealistic; well, I think differently.

First, it can be very realistic to some party;  with some
missing process - their making love.

Second, I don't care that it is realistic or not as long as
it's fun to watch.

	No matter how good the meaning/realisitic/profound... the program
	is, if it's not fun to watch, that program is failure.

Any way, thanks for the recommendation; I really enjoyed; but
I still think her (Choi Jinsil) performance in YakSok was better.

After that, I've rented out 1st tape of FearlessLove(?); that sucks
; I don't understand how they got paid for acting like that, specially
those girls.

P.S.: one of my friend told me that Jil-tu copied lots of scene from
      TokyoLove(?) which was sensational hit in Japan - supposely
	Suzuki(?) has exact same image as Hyakyoung.

Any other recommendation?
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
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From: sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin)
Subject: Re: Question about VISA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:19:24 GMT


	In response to my explanations on the f-1 visa renewal process,
w-yang@uiuc.edu writes:
>This is not to challenge the correctness of the above information.
>But I *overheard* from some guy some time ago (last year?) that there was
>a rule change in this aspect, and that one had to go back to the ambassy
>located in his/her home country.  However, I cannot guarantee the accuracy
>of his remark, because what he claims turns out to be false in many
>instances.   Anyway, it is my understanding that he eventually visited
>Korea in a sole purpose to renew his visa.   I need to know who is right,
>because it will be my turn next year.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>-- 
>email to : w-yang@uiuc.edu (wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

	I have never heard anyone having to go back to Korea for the
sole purpose of renewing his/her f-1 visa.  There are other types of
visa which must be renewed in the country of citizenship but the f-1
clasification is not one of them.  As procedures go, this nonimmigrant
classification is very flexible indeed.  As long as your I20A-B is valid
(either recently issued or recently endorsed by an international student
advisor) and your proof of funding is satisfactory, one rarely has any
problem getting a visa, renewing a visa, or even entering the United
States.  An individual can be denied entrance into the United States
even if he/she has appropriate papers since visa issuance is done by
ambassies abroad (which are under the State Department) and admission
process is done by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (which
comes under the Justice Department).  Sometimes an individual possessing
a perfectly valid passport and visa can be denied admission into the
U.S. at the port of entry but I have never heard of such a case
happening with an f-1 student.  This is to demonstrate that the
nonimmigrant student classification is quite flexible and one should not
have any difficulties as long as one is well-prepared.


	Just so that I won't cause anyone any hardship, I contacted the
immigration law expert on the MIT campus and she confirmed my
understanding of the law.  Laws have become so flexible that a
nonimmigrant student with an expired visa can even go to Canada and come
back into the U.S. without having to renew his visa, so long he does not
stay in Canada any longer than 30 days.  Is that flexibility or what?

	Having been an f-1 student for 10+ years, I am very familiar
with the laws and procedures.  And I do keep up with changes as they are
made public.  So if you need any further info or help, please let me
know....  But do remember that your international students office should
have experts to assist you in this sort of endeavors.

-SK Shin
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Test for kim's Sun
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:34:32 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL

This is a test to see if kim's Sun can post an article or not.

Daeshik Kim
dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Responses to Choi and Harper
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:39:22 GMT

In article <9207302002.AA02318@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET writes:
>This regards the responses to our book review on south Korean labor.
>
>Both Douglas Harper and James Choi have decided to say nothing
>of SUBSTANCE in their attacks on us and instead "attack the speaker"
>as the term goes.
>
>It's what happens when you can't defend your politics: you
>say your critic has personal defects like "cowardice."
>
>Harper and Choi have the kind of illogic that when they were
>kids in school and the teacher said "2+2=4," instead of trying
>to evaluate the substance of that, they went home and asked
>their parents if their teacher was a brave man or not, does he
>have an Ivy League degree, is he distinguished?
>
>For Harper's and Choi's information (and we know it's a lot
>of people on the net who pay attention to WHO says what instead
>of WHAT gets said), for their information, we will gladly publicly
>admit to being cowards, eyesores and snots, but that says NOTHING
>about what we are arguing. We use the nets for debate, education
>and information/analysis. We do not use the nets for self-expression,
>self-aggrandizement--only class politics. They being ego-centered
>wish to prove their individual worth without assessing any
>substantive arguments, but we will gladly give them the award
>of most distinguished individualists. No contest.

Sorry for quoting the whole article.  

I really don't know what was going on, but...

Talking about substance, I think this Mr SCIENCE's article is pretty
substance free itself.  You do have your point but eye to eye, eh?

Who are "we" and "they"?  Is it some sort of class thingie?  Identification
is needed.

Andrew Kim  ( I guess one of "them" )
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