From: rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe)
Subject: Re: THE BOSEMAN CREW IS NOT STUPID!!! (Cause & Effect Spoilers)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.181303.19390@cupnews0.cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
>goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>>> jlanter@spider.wri.com (Jeff Lanter) writes:
>>>Spoilers for Cause and Effect:
>>>

>>>
>>>In r.a.s.c., dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:
>>>
>>>>No, No, No! The Boseman was NOT caught in the temporal loop for 80 years!
>>>>They came through a temporal WARP to the present, and were only caught in the
>>>>temporal loop for the same seventeen days that the Enterprise was. ...
>>>
>>>Again, I implore someone--anyone--to please cite for me the line or lines
>>>from the episode in question that substantiate this ludicrous claim. ...
>
>Actually, there were very few lines that supported any of the theories
>being brought forth.  My impression is that the Boseman was *never* in
>a loop.  It appears that it fell through a time/space warp (probably
>a wormhole which
>  1. Has a known stun effect, hence the crew not responding
>  2. Has a known time/space displacement effect
>
>The Enterprise fell into a causality loop due to the explosion in the
>vicinity of the weaken time/space anomaly, causing it to loop, but
>the Boseman only came through the loop once.
>
>>questions:
>>Why do you maintain the Bozeman has been looping for 80 years? 
>>It is not stated that they were.  You are making an assummption.
>>It is stated that they went through a time rift.
>
>Indeed, it was stated that they noticed a time/space disturbance,
>and there is very little indication that they were in a loop for
>80 years.  
>
>>Why did the Avoidance of the collision end the loop?   If it wasn't
>>the explosion that spawned the loop, then the avoidance of the collision
>>shouldn't have ended the loop.
>>
>>If avoidance of the collision ended the looping, then is it not
>>logical that the explosion caused the loop?  My logic may be faulty,
>>so feel free to correct me.
>
>The only fault that I can see in this logic is the thought that 
>cause must precede effect in time loop.   :-)  The explosion could
>have spawned the loop and had an 80 year effect, but that's stretching
>the explanation and wouldn't explain why the disturbance that sucked
>in the Boseman existed after the explosion didn't occur...  Or something
>like that.  There must have been a separate event that caused the Boseman
>to transverse time and the Boseman probably wasn't in a loop.
>
>Mark Runyan {r.a.s. random rationalizer}

	I think what seems to be bothering people here is the synchronicity of
events that took place in "Cause".  Since the Enterprise was caught in a loop
which was the result of the collsion the Bozeman had to be also, othewise on
the second time around there would have been no Bozeman or collision hence no
loop, but the E kept looping.  However the Bozeman was not in the loop for 80
years, they would have been in the loop only the 17.4 days the Enterprise was,
and instead of repeating 12 hours + or - on each pass they only repeated about
40 seconds worth on each pass.  The Bozeman passed through the temporal rift
that started all the trouble and the entire 80 journey only took a second or
two to occur.  It took Beverly more than 40 seconds to realize there was 
something wrong so it is too much to think that the crew of the Bozeman could
figure it out in that little time as well.
						-Bob