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From: tromp@cwi.nl (John Tromp)
Newsgroups: nlnet.misc
Subject: CAG Seminar announcement
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:13:09 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In this week's (Wed, October 7)

                        S E M I N A R
                             ON
            COMBINATORICS, ALGORITHMS AND GEOMETRY

there will be a talk by

		John Tromp (CWI)
on

=============================================================================
Time-Stamp Schemes

Abstract:
Time-stamps are labels which a system adds to its data items in order to keep
track of the temporal precedence relation among its data elements.
Traditionally, time-stamps are taken to be unbounded numbers and inevitable
overflows cause a loss of the precedence relation. In this talk we will
develop a theory of bounded time-stamps, as well as schemes that keep track
of only the last element of the precedence relation.
=============================================================================

Contact Persons: J. Tromp (020 592 4078) and A. Gerards (020 592 4045)
                 (tromp@cwi.nl)              (bgerards@cwi.nl)
Frequency:       2nd and 4th Wednesday of the month
Time:            Wednesday, 14.15-16.00.
Place:           Room M280
                 Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica,
                 Kruislaan 413,
                 1098 SJ Amsterdam.
Newsgroups: nlnet.misc
From: ouwendyk@prso.pttnwb.nl (A.P.J. Ouwendijk)
Subject: Re: Rotterdam (was Re: nlnet.misc: ordinaire 06-variant
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:08:16 GMT

thole@cs.rulimburg.nl (Johan Thole) writes:
|> jos@and.nl (Jos Horsmeier) writes:
|> 
|> >- uitstappen in Rotterdam CS, uitgang centrum zijde.
|> >- naar buiten lopen en de eerste tramlijn die je tegenkomt (lijn 5) nemen.
|> >- een (1) halte _voor_ museum Booymans Benungen uitstappen (halte Binnenweg)
|> >- aan je linkerhand is de Oude Binnenweg, aan je rechterhand is de
|> >  Nieuwe Binnenweg.
|> >- honder meter de Oude Binnenweg oplopen en aan je rechterhand is daar:
|> >  Melief Bender.
|> 
|> Wanneer we 's middags gaan feesten is er geen enkel probleem. Maar wat doen
|> we 's avonds met de mensen die niet meer thuis kunnen komen (om welke reden
|> dan ook :-) )? Heeft er al iemand gedacht aan een mogelijkheid om ergens te
|> overnachten? Goedkoop pension o.i.d? In de slaapzak op het station lijkt me
|> niet zo comfortabel.
|> 

Op het station? Nee, daar wordt je verwijderd. Maar misschien hebben ze
voor de echte nlnet-junks nog een plaatsje vrij op perron 0.  ;-)

Groetjes vanaf het andere eindpunt van lijn-5.

Anthon

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Newsgroups: nlnet.misc
From: jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl (Jeroen W. Pluimers)
Subject: Re: Vliegtuigen en zwaartekracht.
Organization: Dept. FMC, Gorlaeus Labs, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:23:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.205349.21195@htsa.aha.nl> cees@htsa.aha.nl (Cees Keyer) writes:
>Naar aanleiding van het neerstorten van ELAL vliegtuig vraag ik me
>toch af waarom de overheid de aanvlieg routes over dicht bevolkte 
>aglomeraties laat gaan.

Ik denk dat de vraag meer is of de dichbevolkte agglomeraties willen
reizen naar een ver weg liggend vliegtuig....

>Maar kan een Boeing 747F vliegen op twee van de vier motoren als 
>beide uitgevallen motoren zich aan een kant bevinden?
>
Ja. In principe is er genoeg vermogen om het vliegtuig in de lucht te
houden.  Het probleem wordt meer de besturing.  In dit geval (met beide
rechter motoren uitgeschakeld) wordt het zeer lastig om linker bochten
te maken (bovendien zullen deze grote krachten op de vleugel uitoefenen).

Wat ik begreep was dat deze Boeing bezig was met een grote bocht naar rach
Rechts om weer op Schiphol uit te komen. Tot vlk voor de crash scheen
het (volgens de verkeerstoren) goed onder controle te houden te zijn.

Het wachten is nu op de gegevens uit de black-box (die bij mijn weten
nu nog niet is gevonden) en daaruit verder conclusies te trekken.
>
>PS Mijn condoleances voor de slachtoffers.

Idem.

Trouwens, wat vond je van de SIRE reclame direct na de eerste nieuws
uitzending op de radio over de ramp?


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Newsgroups: nlnet.announce
From: bal@cs.vu.nl (Henri Bal)
Subject: Vacatures voor onderzoekmedewerkers
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:05:52 GMT

Bij de faculteit Wiskunde en Informatica van de Vrije Universiteit te
Amsterdam zal met behulp van een PIONIER-subsidie van de Nederlandse
Organisatie voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek (NWO) een nieuwe onderzoeksgroep
worden opgericht op het gebied van het programmeren van parallelle
en gedistribueerde computersystemen. Per 1 januari 1993 komen hierdoor
een plaats beschikbaar voor een


		wetenschappelijk onderzoekmedewerker m/v
		----------------------------------------

TAAK:

Het doen van wetenschappelijk onderzoek op het gebied van parallelle en
gedistribueerde systemen. Met name zal gekeken worden naar ontwerp en
implementatie van programmeertalen en naar parallelle software. Mogelijke
onderwerpen voor onderzoek zijn geavanceerde compile-time-/run-time-
optimalisaties voor parallelle talen, grootschalige implementaties van
zulke talen op geavanceerde computersystemen en parallelle applicaties.
De kandidaat wordt geacht zelfstandig onderzoek te doen en daarnaast
bij te dragen aan de opleiding van een of meer Assistenten/Onderzoekers
in Opleiding. De groep zal mogelijk deelnemen in een op te richten
onderzoeksschool. Voorts kan van de kandidaat een zekere bijdrage worden
gevraagd op organisatorisch of bestuurlijk gebied binnen de groep.

VEREISTEN:

Kandidaten dienen gepromoveerd te zijn (of binnenkort te promoveren) in
de Informatica en moeten een belangrijke bijdrage hebben geleverd op het gebied
van parallel programmeren, bijvoorbeeld door wetenschappelijke publicaties.



Daarnaast is er plaasts voor een

		onderzoekmedewerker m/v
		-----------------------
		(programmeur)


TAAK:

Het schrijven en onderhouden van software ten behoeve van het onderzoeksproject.
De kandidaat zal werken aan parallelle runtime-systemen, software tools en
parallelle applicaties.

VEREISTEN:

Doctoraal examen Informatica of Wiskunde alsmede ruime programmeer-ervaring.
Bij voorkeur ervaring met C en UNIX en enige kennis van parallel programmeren.

---------

BIJZONDERHEDEN:

De nieuwe onderzoeksgroep zal in totaal gaan bestaan uit ongeveer acht personen
(onderzoekers, programmeurs en AiOs/OiOs) en wordt geleid door dr. ir. H.E. Bal.
Het onderzoek van de groep bouwt voort op eerder werk aan de parallelle/
gedistribueerde programmeertaal Orca en maakt gebruik van het Amoeba
besturingssysteem, dat onder leiding van prof. A.S. Tanenbaum is ontwikkeld
aan de VU en het CWI. De groep beschikt over eigen hardware voor experimenten
met parallelle programma's.

AANSTELLING:

Aanstelling voor beide posities geschiedt voor een periode van ten hoogste
vijf jaar bij NWO.

INLICHTINGEN:

Inlichtingen kunnen worden verkregen bij dr. ir. Henri E. Bal, tel.020-5485574
of 020-5487273.

SOLLICITATIES:

Schriftelijke sollicitaties met curriculum vitae en publicatielijst binnen
3 weken te richten aan:
dr. ir. Henri E. Bal, Vrije Universiteit,
Faculteit Wiskunde en Informatica, De Boelelaan 1081a, 1081 HV  Amsterdam.
From: dcab@cwi.nl (Dick Bulterman)
Newsgroups: nlnet.announce
Subject: CWI Seminar: The 8 1/2 Windowing System for AT&T's Plan-9
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:15:37 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam


 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                             CWI Seminar Announcement

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

                           8 1/2: The Plan 9 Window System

				   Rob Pike
		     AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ, USA

                 -------------------------------------------------

                                   ABSTRACT

  The Plan 9 window system, 8 1/2, is a modest-sized program of novel design.
  It provides ASCII I/O and bitmap graphic services to both local and remote
  client programs by offering a multiplexed file service to those clients.

  It serves traditional UNIX files like /dev/tty as well as more unusual
  ones that provide access to the mouse and the raw screen.
  Bitmap graphics operations are provided by serving a file called
  /dev/bitblt that interprets client messages to perform raster operations.

  The file service that 8 1/2 offers its clients is identical to that it uses
  for its own implementation, so it is fundamentally no more than a multiplexer.
  This architecture has some rewarding symmetries and can be implemented
  compactly; indeed 8 1/2 is considerably smaller than most of its clients.

                 -------------------------------------------------

  Date: Monday, 5 October 1992
  Time; 14.00-15.30

  Location: CWI/Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica
            Kruislaan 413
            1098 SJ Amsterdam
          
            (Room M-279)

  For more information, contact: 
         Dick Bulterman (dcab@cwi.nl)
         020-592 41 47

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Newsgroups: nlnet.announce
From: wimb@bssi.nl (Wim Berkhof)
Subject: Test voor posting van Wim Berkhof
Summary: tesje
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:15:32 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: test nn bssi


		Wil iemand dit beantwoorden :

			- via RE; 
			- via mail naar wimb@bssi.nl


		Dank !


		Wim Berkhof
		tel. 03420 - 93103
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@bssi.nl
Subject: Test voor Baan Service b.v.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:07:04 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: test bssi


	Ted,

	Ik heb in 'NEWSCTL/$whoami' ons domain gewijzigd van 'bssi'
	in 'bssi.nl'.

	Ik hoop dat het nu goed werkt.

	In ieder geval bedankt voor je ondersteuning.


					Wim Berkhof
					Baan Service, tel. 03420 - 93103
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@bssi.nl
Subject: Test voor Baan Service b.v. ( bssi )
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:35:57 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: test bssi


		Graag een terugmelding, ik hoop dat het 'Path:'
		nu goed is.

		Wim Berkhof, tel. 03420 - 93103

		Dank !
From: jos@bull.nl (Jos Vos)
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
Subject: Re: Test voor posting van Wim Berkhof
Keywords: test nn bssi
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:17:04 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Bull, P.O. Box 22859, NL-1100 DJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands

In article <BvHoHx.Kop@bssi.nl> wimb@bssi.nl (Wim Berkhof) writes:

>		Wil iemand dit beantwoorden :
>
>			- via RE; 
>			- via mail naar wimb@bssi.nl

Vorige week heb ik geprobeerd een mailtje te sturen, maar toen kwam
de mail onbestelbaar terug! Het news artikel komt dus wel aan!

-- 
--    Jos Vos <jos@bull.nl>   (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos)
--    Bull Nederland NV, Product Support Unix, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@bssi.nl
Subject: Test bericht voor uitgaande postings
Summary: Test uitgaande postings Baan Service b.v.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:05:18 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: test bssi nlnet


		Ik hoop dat dit eruit komt 


Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@bssi.nl
Subject: Test van Baan Service b.v.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:39:44 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: test bssi


	Test van Baan Service b.v. ( bssi.nl )

					Wim Berkhof,
					Baan Service b.v., tel. 03420 - 93103
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: maurice.steyvers@ica.rulimburg.nl (Maurice Steyvers)
Subject: test-2
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:54:41 GMT

testing 4.5.6....
Newsgroups: ont.uucp,kw.uucp
From: robertw@bnr.ca (Robert Williams)
Subject: Glen Gould Plays Beethoven
Followup-To: ont.general
Reply-To: robertw@bnr.ca (Robert Williams)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:05:11 GMT

On Sunday night (Sept 27, 1992), I watched a program on TVO, in which Glen Gould was
playing a piano concerto by Beethoven, which I quite enjoyed.  Unfortunately, I tuned
in too late to find out which one was being played.  Can anyone help me out by
identifying what piece was being played?

Thanks.
-- 
Robert R. Williams    Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,   Innovative ideas often
Ph:  (613) 763-2513   P.O. Box 3511, Station C,      meet with violent opposit-
Fax: (613) 763-2202   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.       tion from mediocre minds
Email: robertw@bnr.ca K1Y 4H7                            ... Albert Einstein
From: turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Barry Hutsel)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Illegal Satellite Pickups
Keywords: copy right
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:46:25 GMT
Reply-To: turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca writes:

> Could someone pleeeaaaassseee explain why the heck it is illegal to unscrambl
> scrambled satellite signals, yet it is not illegal to eavesdrop on celular
> phone conversations (ie without a court order).
> 
Perhaps it's because the programs being broadcast on the satellite are 
copy righted and the cable company has the right to charge you for the 
use of their copy righted material?

        --Barry

----------------------------------------------------
turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Barry Hutsel)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: nordgraf@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (John Dorn)
Subject: PC X servers for DOS For Sale Cheap
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: ont
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:20:07 GMT
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: Illegal Satellite Pickups
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:23:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.164240.1@qis.dofasco.ca> hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>Also, why can't I receive a normal satellite signal and share it with my 
>neighbours?  This too is apparently illegal.

     You can't share a satellite signal if you charge money for the privilege
of sharing.  Basically, only licensed operators are allowed to operate
cable companies, and the term "cable company" is defined so loosely that
it effectively precludes the arrangement you suggest.  (Someone is going
to have to buy the dish, pay for maintenance, etc.  The other party in
the relationship is presumably going to have to hand over some money or
equivalent goods, unless the original purchaser is unusually generous.
That's the point at which you would run afoul of the law.)
     I am not a lawyer.  There may be ways around this.  (They would
centre around ways to share the costs without entering into a
fee-for-service contract, either written or oral.)  If you have a lawyer
friend (the kind who likes legal brain-twisters and doesn't mind
thinking about them on his or her own time), you might want to run this
past him or her.  You never know.

                                Sincerely,

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
From: turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Barry Hutsel)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Illegal Satellite Pickups
Keywords: copy right
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

> In article <38oZRB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
> (Barry Hutsel) writes:
> 
> >hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
> >
> >> Could someone pleeeaaaassseee explain why the heck it is illegal to unscra
> >> scrambled satellite signals, yet it is not illegal to eavesdrop on celular
> >> phone conversations (ie without a court order).
> >> 
> >Perhaps it's because the programs being broadcast on the satellite are 
> >copy righted and the cable company has the right to charge you for the 
> >use of their copy righted material?
> 
> Hmmm?  Doesn't make sense.
> 
> Just because there are copyrighted books doesn't make photocopiers
> illegal.  There are legal things to copy.

The question was regarding unscrambling a scrambled signal.  I assume the 
only reason to scramble a signal is because it is in fact copy righted.  
I don't think it would be illegal to own the system (I might be wrong 
about that), just to use it to capture a copy righted signal.

> 
> Similarly, there is no reason that everything broadcast from a
> satellight is copyright.  I could, if I wished, buy satellight time
> and broadcast information of my own, and if I wished, place that
> material in the public domain.  There would then be public domain
> information to be received.

True, but would anybody really want to watch something you produced for 
the public domain :-)

> 
> Also, a radio tuned to a station isn't making a copy in the legal
> sense, so copyright law doesn't apply anyways.

I believe the copy right laws are written so that the act of descrambling 
ad viewing are in violation.  No actual copying is necessary.

> 
> And finally:  Copyright is a CIVIL matter, not an "illegal/legal"
> matter.  The difference is important.
> 
Civil just means you can't be put in jail. It's still a violation and you
can get dinged in the pocket book.  Also there's no reasonable doubt req.

> ----
> 
> However, there is nothing to stop the government from passing silly
> laws, some of which might explicitly apply to satellight dishes.  I
> am not a lawyer.
> 
Canada does have a written civil code which applies to things like this.  
I guess we should look it up, right??

        --Barry

----------------------------------------------------
turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Barry Hutsel)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: fwbent@watmsg.uwaterloo.ca (Fred Bent)
Subject: Re: Illegal Satellite Pickups
Keywords: copy right
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:03:51 GMT

In article <38oZRB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>
>> Could someone pleeeaaaassseee explain why the heck it is illegal to unscrambl
>> scrambled satellite signals, yet it is not illegal to eavesdrop on celular
>> phone conversations (ie without a court order).
>> 
>Perhaps it's because the programs being broadcast on the satellite are 
>copy righted and the cable company has the right to charge you for the 
>use of their copy righted material?
>
>        --Barry
>

It is legal to recieve ANY radio transmission since the elctromagnetic
spectrum is public property.  However, to prevent chaos the federal
government looks after it for us.

It is legal to recieve a satellite transmission as long as
you do not tape them, or redistribute them in any way. (As long as
they are copyrighted materials).

Did you know that it is illegal to videotape television broadcasts
and replay them later? By television I mean local TV stations.  These
broadcasts are copyrighted to you know!

However, since cellular phones use radio to transmit to and from your phone,
anyone can theoretically be listening in on you cellular phone call, or
cordless phone call.  Because of this, it is perfectly legal since
you should NOT have an expectation of privacy since it is an unscrambled 
radio transmissions.  But, if you want privacy you will have to 
scramble you radio transmissions.  It is ILLEGAL to descramble a
radio tansmission without prior approval.

Also, it is illegal to swear, or use prohane language on a telephone,
or to use a telephone to aid in the commission of a crime.

It is illegal to divulge the contents of anything you hear
from an intercepted radio transmission, or to profit from it
(newpaper people need a license) in any way.  That is why the
newspapers could not print the story at first.  However it 
appears that the judge ruled that the papers could since
it can be treated in a similar manner to a fire call
(ie. a building on fire so the paper/TV sends a photographer/news crew
to it)

So 1) Us a land line phone
   2) Use a scrambling device
   3) Do not discuss sensitive matters over a phone

>----------------------------------------------------
>turtle@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Barry Hutsel)
>Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]

--
Fred Bent
fwbent@plg.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Wanted: Statistica 3.1 manual
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:00:56 GMT

Hello netters!

	I am looking for a manual/book for the statistical analysis program 
called Statistica 3.1 (for DOS). I am currently using VAX/VMS SPSSx but I will
be graduating soon (what time is it now?) and have to decide between SPSS-PC+ 
and Statistica for my PC.

	If anyone has used this package I would be interested to hear your 
comments/criticisms regarding this package.

	Thanks in advance!

Norm
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Illegal Satellite Pickups
From: hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:42:40 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: hilbig_t

Could someone pleeeaaaassseee explain why the heck it is illegal to unscramble
scrambled satellite signals, yet it is not illegal to eavesdrop on celular
phone conversations (ie without a court order).

I can understand cable tv systems; it's the cable company's property and you
have a contract that if you want to receive certain services you must pay for
them.

I always thought radio waves couldn't be owned by anyone and that they were
public property.  So why is the CRTC (or DOC, I'm not sure) threatening to
fine $10,000 for every day you unscramble satellite signals without
authorization?  Perhaps I was wrong, maybe licencing a frequency removes it
from the public domain.  But then, when you use your cellular phone aren't
you using similarly licensed frequencies much as if you were using a phone
company's wire network?  Why is it legal for me to listen to a cellular
phone conversation while it is illegal for the phone company to listen to
your regular phone conversation?

If I am missing something here, please point it out.

Also, why can't I receive a normal satellite signal and share it with my 
neighbours?  This too is apparently illegal.
 

-- 
Toms Hilbig,
hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: fche@db.toronto.edu ("Frank Ch. Eigler")
Subject: Re: Response To Take Back The Night 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:06:33 GMT

jack@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Jack Cooper) writes:

>Just because men aren't explicitly sought out to help organize the event
>doesn't imply that their presence is unwelcome.  Anyone have direct
>experience from actually attending the protest?


Nope, but as the organizer of Toronto's "Take back the night"
march recently said on CBC radio, men are explicitly not allowed
to participate in the march.  Lucky for us, we may join them
*afterwards*, for refreshments (?).  Geesh.
-- 

-- Frank Ch. Eigler -- Comp Eng -- <eigler@ecf.toronto.edu> -- (I'm Brian!)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,tor.general,misc.headlines,rec.birds,rec.skuba,soc.misc,soc.women,talk.politics.misc