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From: kim@castle.wpd.sgi.com (Kim Rachmeler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Name for dream puppy
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:43:46 GMT
Reply-To: kim@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: SGI CASE Products Group


|> Any ideas are welcome.  I really am enjoying dreaming about this new puppy.
|> Oh, by the way, her "brother" that we have now is named "Seekret Suspense".
|> I suppose if anyone can get really creative and work in a Tailor theme that's
|> suspenseful or secretive (remembering of course you need to stay under 18 
|> characters), then you would have the GOLD!

	How about:

		Tinker Soldier Spy

	From the spy novel "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" by John
  LeCarre.  Eighteen characters exactly.

	Kim Rachmeler
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: seurer@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Bill Seurer)
Subject: Re: choke chain opinions
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

One of our dogs will pull so hard at the start of a walk that she nearly
passes out.  Choke chains just aggravated the problem and cause her to
cough and sputter for a while.  She's fine after a little while of walking.

We got a harness (I forget the name) that works really well.  It has a
collar with a large ring on top and two smaller ones at the bottom.  A
cord is connected in its middle to the leash then runs both ends through 
the top ring, around the dog's front legs, then connects the ends to the 
smaller bottom rings.  

Presto!  No pulling.  If the dog trys to pull it pulls its front legs
backwards and has to stop.  Works like a charm.

And yes, we (and the dog :-) did go through obedience training and she
did just fine.
-- 

- Bill Seurer     Language and Compiler Development      IBM Rochester, MN
  Internet: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com    America On-Line: BillSeurer@aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: 2 dogs vs 1 dog
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:58:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.193821.14709@nas.nasa.gov> blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
>
I have two dogs
	a ten year old GSD/Cocker Spanial Mix
	an 18 mo. old Mini-Schnauzer 
and I am considering getting a Standard Schnauzer, or maybe a giant. (I tell
you this by way of warning you about my sanity or lack thereof)

My Mother has two dogs  
	a three year old toy poople from hell
	the litter brother of my Schnau.
All of these dogs spend quite a bit of time together.
>
>Advantages
>----------
>-Dog companionship during weekdays(or evenings) when humans gone
They all have a lot of fun together.  They don't seem as "lonely" as
Princess (The GSD/X) who was an only dog for eight years.

>-Could leave the 2 dogs a bit longer (overnight?) than one dog 
Depends on how much "trouble" they get into.

>-More dog exercise with less human required time
Yes.  Our monsters run each other ragged.  Two dogs playing fetch can get four
times the exersize.
>
>Disadvantages
>-------------
>-Double all costs (food, medical, kennel, etc) Maybe.  Our vet gives a "group"
discount. :-) for shots kennals etc.  You maybe able to buy food in bulk...
but certainly with two you may end up having to feed one this and the other that
and two are more likly to get sick than just one.  I'd plan on a 75% increase 
rather than double.
>-Double work (more poop, 2 baths, double flea battle)
There again...sort of.  It's no harder to vacuum a house with two dogs .. You 
may have to do it more often tho.  
>
>Questionable
>------------
>-Dogs more in tune with each other than humans, ignore humans? Not for older
dogs.  If they have bonded well with people I *think* it is more likley
to go the other way.  Dog ignores other dog.
>-More destruction by playing together and banging into things in house?
Yes!! :-(
>-Less destruction since they play instead of dig/chew? Not in our house.
They take the item to be destroyed (itbd) and play 4 way tug.  Much more
effective then on poor dog toiling alone.
>-Happier regularly, less worried about being left behind?
Yes.  Much less anxiety for our group.>
>
>What do people that have had 1 and 2 dogs think?  Which is more convenient
>for the humans and how much happier are the dogs with a dog companion?
>
>Matt
>blake@nas.nasa.gov
>
>


--

TNSTAAFD -- There's No Such Thing As A Free Dog.

cldavies@silver.sdsmt.edu        cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (john hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lyme vacine statis needed
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory of Columbia University


As far as I know, there is not yet a Lyme Disease vaccine for humans, but there
is for dogs.  My vet recommended to get the vaccination because we spend
a lot of time in the woods.  It has been proven safe, but there was not enough
data as of last spring to prove effectiveness.   He also said that since he started
recommending the vaccine to what he considered high risk dogs, he noticed a
decrease in the number of cases he was getting.   I have some friends whose
dog got lyme disease and it is not as serious in dogs as it is in humans.  You know
right away that they have it (extreme lethargy) and they start to recover within
a few days of getting anti-biotics.
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog moves to Colorado, has problems, HELP!
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:09:28 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1k3ambINNke2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) says:
|> 
|> >
|> >Sunday night she seemed restless and for good reason; this morning I awoke
|> >to find 5 piles of diarrhea that had occurred during the night.  She's a
|> >very fastidious dog and would *never* go indoors unless it was an emergency.
|> >

The diarrhea could also be from the change of water that she is drinking, which
if that is the case should stabilize in a week.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: jegm@cody (Jim Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dew Claws: To Remove, or Not To Remove
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:59:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA
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Anne P. Mitchell, JD (shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:

: So our newest baby, Nika, the 9 month old LabKita, is going in to get
: spayed in a few weeks.  It has been suggested to me that if I am going
: to have her dew claws removed, it be done then [makes sense, do it
: all under one anesthesia.]

: My question is more to the "if" I am going to have them removed at all.
: My general philosophy is not to tinker with nature unless there is a 
: good reason to do so...I've never really been faced with this issue
: before, so I really don't *know* the reasons/pros/cons.  I believe
: the main reason for removing them is to avert any possibility of them
: getting caught on something and torn [which I assume is quite painful?],
: but is this a common occurrence?  A rare occurrence?  Are there any
: other reasons to have them removed?  Any reasons not to?

: Thanks for any input!

Well, my vote is to have them removed, if she is going to be under
anesthetic anyway. I have heard that they can sometimes chew on the dew
claws as well, causing similar problems to them getting caught.

One of my guys had one dew claw, which I guess they missed when he was
a pup, the claw grew at an incredible rate, and kept on curling back on
itself. It doesn't get naturally worn down because it is never in
contact with the ground. Anyway I had it removed when he was neutered.

snip snip, really simple :-)


--
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
From: ervin@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Deborah Ervin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: samoyeds
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:43:20 GMT
Reply-To: ervin@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Deborah Ervin)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.pets.dogs, almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes:
>MYERS ETHELLA ANN (myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>
[many lines deleted to save space]
>:                                                          I've heard that
>:   some people have woven shed sammy hair into hats and sweaters. Shiloh
>:   is biscuit and cream, so his hair would make a really pretty sweater.
>
>A friend of ours took a couple of shopping bags of hair from us and spun it
>into yarn.  She knit a sweater using this yarn and the result was a beautiful,
>angora-like, very warm sweater.  Put your hand into a bag of this fur and you
>will be amazed at how warm it is!  The loose fur can be stuffed into a stocking
>and washed in the washer.
>
>Bob Alman  1-707-577-4148 almanb@sr.hp.com

Hello, fellow Samoyed owners!  I also have a Sammy, Alina, who will
turn 4 years old in April.  I have been saving her shed fur since she
was a puppy, hoping one day to make something out of it.  My problem
is that I don't know how to spin it, nor do I have the equipment to
do so.  Has anyone ever sent their dog's hair to someone else for spinning?
I have seen ads in the classifieds of Dog Fancy magazine for this service,
but don't know how well it works out.  Any advice?

Thanks,
Debbie
ervin@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: NEW ADDITION II
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:45:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

First off I want to thank everyone who replied to
my questions about crating and different breeds.
I received so much information that reading in books 
only reinforces what I learned on the Net.

With this info I was able to pick a breed that would
best suit our tastes and lifestyle, as well as our
expectations as to what a dog should be.

Well, Sat I got a new puppy.  She is a 7week Gordon Setter
and she is beautiful!  Now I don't want to jinx myself
by telling you all that she's done so far, but I can't resist!

She entered our home at 6pm Sat. night, Jan 23.  She was not
in the least bit house trained.   Well, on Sunday we bought
her crate and Sunday night she slept in it.  She whined for a bit
but after about 7-8 shakes of the `penny can' and a sharp
`No!' she settled down and slept.

At 6am we got up and carried her out back to go.  She shuffled 
around, peed and then came up to me and sat, waiting for me to 
take her in.  She seemed to know what the outside was for!

Well, Monday night she actually went to the door everytime she
had to go out!  We were shocked!  When we went to bed
*this time*, it only took 2 shakes of the penny can.

This morning (Tues) she actually went into the crate on her
own accord and nested right in to sleep!  This is just too good
to be true!  Of course when I shut the gate she whined
a little, but one shake of the penny can and she was quiet.

If all Gordons are like this one, I can't see why they aren't
the most popular dogs in the world!  They are beautiful
and smart!  If things go even close to as well as they have been
I would gladly raise or breed more!

Oh, we don't have a name for her yet.  We would like something
Scottish or Irish but so far all we've come up with Guinness or 
Morgan.  Any ideas?  Her full name can only consist of
 25    spaces and must include RAGGEDEDGE.

bye for now

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sw@sei.cmu.edu (Shelley Woosley)
Subject: re: biting - Thanks
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:09:37 EST


Thanks to everyone who posted and sent me mail with suggestions.  I'm sure one
of the methods will work.

My hands (and my roommate) thank you, too.

Shelley
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Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:14:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: running
Comment-To: JON_T._HUTCHINSON@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Basically, you can plan to either fence the property, or build a dog
run for the dogs to stay while you are out.  There is also an electric
fence you can put in, but don't count on being able to train a dog to
stay on your property.
  Some people think that because they are in the country, they don't
need to fence their dogs in.  Perhaps they think the dogs will get
into less trouble in the country, but this is certainly not true.
  Loose dogs run livestock, and are frequently Shot by farmers.  My
friend had two lovely Golden Retrievers who never ran livestock, but
did often trespass onto neighbor's land.  The neighbor called the dogs
to him and shot them.  He then drove their still warm bodies back to
my friend's house, and dumped them on his porch.
  My friend was furious, but by law, the farmer had the right to do
this, and some people think this way.
  One of these same dogs with it's habit of running ran out in front
of a truck on the main road, two miles away from the house.  My friend
knew an orthopedic surgeon who put an artificial hip joint into the
dog's splintered leg.
--- FMail 0.92
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: Dogs at Work?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:17:31 GMT

RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>I haven't ever taken her to a class that I teach yet, but I might (when I can
>trust her Long Down well enough to know that she will do it w/out my attention
>for 1.5 hours).  I have had students bring their dogs to my classes, & my only
>expectation is that the Dog has to be able to sustain a Down for the entire
>class period, or else it would be better left at home during class.

I've run into a Psych. prof with his dog here a couple times.  I've heard
that one of them (not necessarily the one I've seen) brings his dog to
class and lets it roam the lecture hall.

BTW, regarding allergies:  do the special shampoos work?  Just curious...

--kyler
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Dew Claws: To Remove, or Not To Remove
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:45:39 GMT


So our newest baby, Nika, the 9 month old LabKita, is going in to get
spayed in a few weeks.  It has been suggested to me that if I am going
to have her dew claws removed, it be done then [makes sense, do it
all under one anesthesia.]

My question is more to the "if" I am going to have them removed at all.
My general philosophy is not to tinker with nature unless there is a 
good reason to do so...I've never really been faced with this issue
before, so I really don't *know* the reasons/pros/cons.  I believe
the main reason for removing them is to avert any possibility of them
getting caught on something and torn [which I assume is quite painful?],
but is this a common occurrence?  A rare occurrence?  Are there any
other reasons to have them removed?  Any reasons not to?

Thanks for any input!

Annie
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs at work
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:00:44 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

I bring my dog to work.  I'm a grad student here and I share an office
with several other people.  I know that several people also bring thier
dogs in.  In general, if your officemates don't care and you keep a low
profile, no one objects.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all fourteen parts -- is available via ftp to
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:00:40 GMT

In <1993Jan28.015400.20402@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:

>I have no problem with anyone, including those you term 'reputable
>breeders', adding to the supply, for any reason they like, as soon as
>demand catches up.

OK, let's suppose we neuter all the dogs in the US right now.  Well,
right off, you can't do that, you must have some intact dogs for
puppies in the future, when supply drops enough.  Lets say we neuter
all dogs except for suitable breeding stock in each breed, which we
refrain from breeding.

There are several problems with this scenario.  First, there are so
many millions of excess dogs that it will take years for the supply to
drop down.  In the meantime, breeding programs of quality dogs will
suffer, since good breeding prospects will grow too old for breeding,
and you will lose valuable bloodlines.  For rare breeds, this is
exacerbated.  Second, the demand is not necessarily for *dogs* but for
*puppies*.  It seems to me that if we stop producing puppies at all
we'd have a huge, unsatisfied demand for puppies which would guarantee
a black market in puppies and a corresponding decline in quality (what
black-marketer would worry about bloodlines and suitability and
temperament -- especially if the demand is very high and profit is to
be had by over breeding (you think it's bad now!).

Of course, practically speaking, you'd never get this to happen.  And
I approve of all efforts to maximize the number of neutered dogs.  But
talking about neutering (or stopping breeding of; amounts to the same
thing) ALL dogs just won't work, even if it could be done.

--Cindy

--
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Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all fourteen parts -- is available via ftp to
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Akitas and children and other questions
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:31:23 GMT


>toddlers should never be left alone with any dog

Absolutely correct.

I, personally, would not mix Akitas with children, but I have to say that
over the years I've read posting after posting (across many services)
where Akitas have been an important part of the family.  The key is, of
course, temperament.

You couldn't ask for a better protection dog, and taking everything into
consideration, if this project were undertaken thoughtfully, I can't see
why it wouldn't work out.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: maoh@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Maureen O'Halloran)
Subject: Re: Older dog training
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:47:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (john hopper) writes:

>I took in a stray dog last year after having no luck locating
>his previous owners.  He's about 5 years old, extremely sweet/well
>behaved, and a mix of chow and something else (no one has a good 
>guess of the other half). 

This sounds like my dog! He is a (now) six year old chow mix that
showed up at my house 3 years ago and decided to adopt me.  

>Does anyone have any good references/suffestions on training older dogs?  Most
>of what I've found only deal with puppies and don't give any special
>attention to older dogs.  Or is training an older dog basically the same?
>He has no behavior problems, but I would like to train him to the point 
>where he will listen  to me when he's not on the leash.  He tends to have 
>a mind of his own off the leash and I worry about him wandering too close 
>to the road etc.  I'm certain that 90% of this is actually training me, but
>I need a good reference.  (I cannot afford to go to a trainer, so that is not
>an option).  

I can't be that much help here.  Most of the books I looked at dealing
with older dogs melt with "problems".  My dog has none of the standard
problems (he's housebroken, doesn't chew on anything, no excessive
barking etc.).  I had to learn dog psychology since I'd never had a
dog before and my favorite books were by Carol Benjamin ("Second Hand
Dog" is about adopting stray dogs).  Our park district has obedience
classes for only about $25 for eight weeks, so I took him there.  He
is not very reliable off leash though, and I don't know how to get
through to a dog that has already figured out that when he's off leash
he has a choice about whether to obey.  He learned other useful things
though (such as doing a long down during dinner) and the whole
procedure seemed to make him more amenable.  If I hadn't learned
about being "alpha" I'm sure he would have taken over and be running
the house by now!

Check out your park district or community college, obedience classes
may not be as expensive as you think, and they are great motivators
for making you keep up with your training sessions so your dog won't be
the worst in the class!

--

 Maureen O'Halloran
 
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From: rosy@cco.caltech.edu (Rosemary Macedo)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: SFBay DOBERMAN NEEDS LOVING HOME
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:58:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

2.5yr old Doberman
black and tan, natural (uncut) ears
male, neutered
obedience school graduate, CUM LAUDE!
FREE to loving home with back yard

call Tina Thomas (w) 415-571-5800
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Re: CRATES
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:23:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino



Yes, we do this and it works great for a dog who is otherwise at a loss
to know how to tell you the dog needs to go outside....

Diane Bassett
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HOWLING
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:39:36 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <M1JEK01.93Jan14143227@eass5.fed.frb.gov>, m1jek01@fed.frb.gov (James E. Kennedy) writes:
>  
> I have a 3-1/2 year old Shelty that started howling recently.
> Has anyone ever heard of a Shelty that howls?  It seems odd
> to me that she picked this up so far beyond her puppy stage.
> A dog next door that spends a lot of time outside howls a lot, 
> and I would guess that my dog picked it up from him.

Yes, dogs do pick it up from each other.  We have outside runs where
several of our Pulis spend much of the day, and they only ever howl
when we have a bitch in heat.  We usually have the bitch in the house
during her heat so as not to annoy and frustrate the boys too much,
but they know, of course, and it only takes one of them to start a
soft melodious howl, and gradually they all join in and the chorus
of howling wafts all over the countryside.  (Fortunately we live out
in the boonies with no close neighbours.)

Both boys and girls howl in concert, harmonizing beautifully.  The
killer is when our Komondor, who is also outside, joins in with his
deep bass voice, which REALLY echoes through the trees.  Sends shivers
of primeval wilderness up my spine.  I love it!

Stef
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