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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:40:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More of the same

Dave Hall sed:

>     Took a trip down to ye ol' recoerd store yesterday and picked up some
>not so new albums.  Here's my two bits...
>
>     Hindu Love Gods: Great, includes some neat blues covers (Robert Johnson)

yah, this album definately has it's moments.  Of course, it's the third version
of Traveling Riverside Blues I have (no, I don't have Clapton's yet).  Oh well.

>     Cocteau Twins: _Heaven or Las Vegas_ Not sure how old this one is,
>        but I like it.

About 1.5 years, I tink.

>     Pale Saints: Christ, it's an import and I can't even remember the title.
>        Really good.  Includes some improvisational type intro's and some
>        weird samples.

Aaagh, now I can't remember the title either.  However, is it their latest?
The cover has what looks like some melted white candle wax or something on it.
If you have the import, the CD case has white plstic instead of black....?
Anyway, if this is the one there is a domestic version out (for those running
out to the stores as we speak).  Rocking album IMHO.

Some good albums here, I must say...

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
-----------------------+---------------------------+-------------------------
Derek Tiffany          | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | URICH, cuz you gotta be
University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu    |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
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(to the tune of Yesterday)

Leprosy, I'm not half the man I used to be.
Things are slowly falling off of me
Oh I despise my leprosy.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:21:08 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: covers

On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:44:27 MDT the terror that flaps in the night said:
>
>You could always try a celtic number... I'd volunteer to bang on the bodhran
>and Michael could toodle on his pennywhistle.  :)
>
>- Carol

Banging on the bodhran must surely be uncomfortable, unless you are on top,
Carol  (-:
From: ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET (Tim Johnson)
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Tim says, not really trying to start a fight:

>>  But seriously, this is music for people who aren't serious
>>about their music.  Those people who want to pretend to be
>>cultured and intellectual listeners of classical music who
>>just don't have what it takes can become instant pretenders.

The Very Reverend Bob boB takes him up on it nonetheless:

>Wow!  You mean that all these years I had been getting it wrong --
>classical music isn't about music, it's about being "cultured and
>intellectual" and "serious about [your] music"?  You're saying that
>classical music is about attitude.  Cool!
>Tim, are you sure you don't want to hit rewind there?

  "I'm pretty sure I don't want to hit rewind," says Tim, still
undecided about whether to take a confrontational tone.  "But
perhaps, if you hit rewind, I'll go over my remarks with you
(use the pause button) and I'll see if we can't have some
communication by the time we are done."

  squeeeeeblrrrllrlrlrlp (rewind)

  '-ut their music.' <pause>

  "Okay, ready?  This is the important part."

  'Those people who want to pretend to be cultured and intellectu-' <pause>

  "Now, if you want to debate the fact that classical music carries
with it an aura of culture and elitism, you are being rather silly.
It does.  Maybe it shouldn't.  Doesn't matter.  With me so far?"

  Tim pauses, hoping that this point gets through.  He fastens Bob boB
with an expectant look.

  "Right, so...  This fake crossover 'Classical Lite' stuff is for
people who want the image, want the aura - without wanting the real
music.  It is for people who want to pretend to listen to classical
music.  If they wanted the real stuff, they would listen to the real
stuff.  If they want the aura or culture and elitism, they slap Dinner
Classics in the CD player, cheap cologne on their cheeks, and some
Lean Cuisine International De-Lite into the micro-wave when they want
to impress some babe coming over for dinner."

  Tim waits, looking to see if Bob boB is getting the point, or getting
uncomfortable.

  "So the point, big guy, was that people who listen to fake classical
music are doing it for extra musical reasons - not that people who listen
to classical are doing it for extra musical reasons."


                                      -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:11:00 EDT
From:         "NIX, LARRY 882-2669" <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Cowards.

On Wed, 9 Sep 92 08:42:38 EDT HELP%Help%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU said:
> READ THE BOTTOM ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
    Much deleted here...some good stuff anyway...All of it mine...
    Oh the ire of S.o.'s,but apparently he likes the word "asshole"
>
> Look asshole -- Ed only pointed out that he likes Billy Ray Cyrus's music and
> not his body..  So here is a short verse for you!!!   "FUCK OFF"
> P.S. Talk your fantasy somewhere else.

Armie,
    How dissapointing. Don't start any flame wars you can't handle.
    Cowering behind your signifigant other is bad form...

                                            XX OO
                                            EdD
Helpie,
    Surely your education included better phrasing and content than
    simply "f*ck Off"  You must not think much of your S.O.
    if you feel that you have to defend him...
                                            naughty boy.

                                          X
                                           EdD
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:50:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Re: need train song recommendations

>>"Crazy Train"    Ozzy
>>"Train,Train"    Warrant
>>"Train"          Life, Sex, and Death
>>"Freight Train"  Nitro
>>"Nighttrain"     Guns-n-Roses

>Point of Order: While I admit the word "train" is in the title,
>"Nighttrain," is alcohol, not transportation.

Not to mention that "Train, Train" starts out with the singer screaming:
"All a fuckin' board!!!!!" Dare I say not appropriate language for a child.

Yes I admit it. I have a Warrant album, and like it. I guess you can add them
to my list.

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:03:56 EDT
From:         Lisa Bachelder <BACHELLJ@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blue reviews/female vocalists
              10 Sep 1992 17:45:10 EDT from <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>

Walt - Michelle Shocked's "God is a Real Estate Developer" is on
Best of Mountain Stage vol.2 (or something like that).

I guess that I'll take this opportunity to introduce myself to the list
(why do I feel kind of shy and nervous?), as I've been a lurker for the last
week or so.  My name's not Carol, but I wear sensible shoes - I have to;
I'm a librarian.

Lisa
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:19:51 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: decisions

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:17:08 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>Next weekend we have a jazz/blues/gospel fest everthing looks ok except
>I'll have to choose between John Scofield, Roomful of Blues, or John
>Mayall. I'm of course leaning toward John Mayall, but i bet most oy
>you would recommend Scofield. So tell me who would you see. Danny Gatton
>cancel (what a pisser) and was replaced by another axe-slinger named
>????? nelson any ideas....L.W.
>
Well, I'd go see Roomful of Blues, but that's mostly 'cuz my-friend-the-former-
bass-player-with-The-Left-Banke was also the original bass player with them,
and I got to meet/jam/hang out with them a coupla times when they played in
Richmond.  I think they're great, but your mileage may vary.

-Scott "Shameless Name Dropper" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:40:26 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lite
              "crispen" at Sep 14, 92 8:18 am

Rev. Bob Bob, I like what you say here so much I just might join up:

> What if just one of
> them finds out that (s)he likes classical music (you know, finds
> something in it that's more fulfilling than his/her usual pop radio diet)?
>
> Besides, I can't help thinking that Yo Yo Ma and Bobby McFerrin had
> a good time doing it, and music made by people who are having a good
> time is often fun to listen to.
>
> Would I go myself?  No.  Would I attempt to characterize others who
> go?  Likewise, no.  Do I think that "classic lite" is a Good Thing or
> a Bad Thing?  Neither, but it has some potential for good.
>

To use an old cliche (and why not since we're talking lite), Bob seems to see
the glass as half-full and Tim sees it as half-empty.  As Bob also said in a
post after the one above, that I accidently deleted, what reason is there to
pass judgment on all those folks who go to hear music (classical lite or
anything else) and on their MOTIVATION for being there!  A very useless kind of
categorizing ...  Categories are to help you UNDERSTAND something better, i.e.
something mixed up that begs for order, so you play around to see what kind of
order works best... But to make categories for phenomena that you have no
direct contact with (I assume Tim would not be caught dead at one of those lite
shows)... Cthulhu say this dumb-dumb.

Rev. Bob Bob--I'm always happy to exchange tapes for other tapes, preferably
music I haven't heard before and that would blow my mind (PLEASE NO CLASSICAL
LITE JUST WHO DO YOU THINK I AM ANYWAY)

Sonia
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:02:00 CST
From:         RUXPIN <UCSTJT@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lite Classics

        Everybody Knows that the war is over, everybody knows that the good
   guys got trampled. party party party.  Oh what a drag it is getting old
   right?  My god you say.  Is it really him??  Could it be yer favorite
   poster of all time.  Miller Lite is right, it is quite a classic.  Mtv
   awards were hilarious, Fartman was awesome, chili peppers were nice.  Axl
   rules, Guns and Roses rule.
        So how have you all been, like I care right??  Oh come now, Teddy be
   nice!  Yeah, I'm getting better about playing with kids like you.  Young
   boys are as nasty as they want to be.  You know I like the concept of
   people. Classic Lite, yeah thats right.
        Btw, can you imagine actually liking Bobby Mcferrin or Neil Young??
   I can't, but I'm a manly man.  I mean the guy plays his own body and makes
   money.  Is that a hoot or what???  Look over here and I got Faith No More
   jammin on my stereo, pissing off the neighbors.  I bet they like Booby
   Mcferrin.  He's not loud though.  He is nice.  I don't think you can be
   too nice these days unless you can play your body.  Machievelli never told
   you or me to be nice. I guess Bobby never made it through Poly Sci.  Let's
   dance.  Heck with Neil Young, the girls don't dig him man.  What good is a
   guy that can't help you score right??  What the world needs now is a new
   Frank Sinatra...............................................

        Oh, you know how I am, a legend from the world of Bitnet.  Oh boy,
   can you dig it.  I reallly can't.  What a bore..............



                                        Love,

                                        Ruxpin
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:26:15 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      radio, cd prices, sharrock, covers, talking heads

new station:  there's a station in dallas called zrock -- heavy metal/
hard rock format.  they have a syndicate here in houston now, which
is exciting news for me.  on the down side, it's kind of like pop radio
for metal, which means they play lots of ac/dc, kiss, warrant, and bon
jovi.  but on the up side they also play some good metal and (this is
the big bonus) the morning djs play music more than they talk.  what
a concept!

new cds:  i bought primus' _sailing on the seas of cheese_ (or is it
_sailing on a sea of cheese_? whatever...) last night, and wow! it was
not what i was expecting.  i need to give it another chance, i guess.

i also found some vivaldi cello concerto recordings by (of course) ofra
harnoy.  there were two volumes, but they are $15.99 each.  each!  so i
bought one and resolved to try to find a less expensive store.  i ought
to learn to be less compulsive/obsessive.


From:           Larry Spence <larry@CS.COM>
Subject:        Re: The Quest For Sharrock
Date:           Wednesday, September 9, 1992 at 7:06:58 am CDT

[...]
>>that must have every album ever made since
>>the beginning of time in it, but (you guessed it) _Seize The Rainbow_. He
>>told me that album was probably out of print.
>
>I don't know if it's ever been in print in the US.

i found my copy at the sound warehouse just down the road from the, um,
summer ranch house here in houston. :) :)  it wasn't labelled "import" or
anything, but then again it wasn't labelled "not import" either.  ;)  the
copyright date is 1987, and it is on enemy (in case you didn't already
know), so it shouldn't be too hard to find.


From:           Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:        re: covers
Date:           Wednesday, September 9, 1992 at 8:15:51 am CDT

[...]
>We already have a few heads tunes in the works.

cool!

>_LFS_ is newer, I think, is that from Little Creatures?

no.  it's on _true stories_.  there's a movie version, and two different
mixes on the cd, i think.

are ya'll doing _take me to the river_?  that was the first heads tune i
ever heard.  i was really impressed by that song.  i saw them do it on
saturday night live, and i remember being captured by the emotion and
oh, i dont't know, the diversity (?) of the song.  it was so different
from anything i was listening to at the time...


lee  "just rambling, really"


i'm wearing fur pajamas
i ride a hot potato
it's tickling my fancy
speak up, i can't hear you
here on this moutain top, whoa
i got some wild, wild life
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Subject: Re: Sharrock improv
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:23:32 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <9209091332.AA18770@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
>Looking over this piece on improv I realize someone already posted last month
>Sharrock's juggler vs. tinker vs. fool (Fool + Noise = Bullshit).  So here's a
>little gem from the end:
>
>I hate to see soloists *thinking* on stage.  At that point you should only be
>concerned with *feeling*.  Trying to find places to insert your favorite licks
>is like painting by numbers: always correct and always boring.... Beauty--no
>matter how disturbing or how still--is always true.  Don't be afraid to let go
>of the things you know.  Defy your weaker, safer self.  Create.  Make music.

I always like what Blakey said to his bass player during one of the
bassist's solos:  "Come on, Dennis, play like a fool.  Be a fool."

Anyone catch Joe Henderson's trio on Leno last night?   I was nodding
out, but I got it on video.  They only played 2 numbers, totalling 8
minutes, but it still was good to here.

That drummer was Al Foster.  He used to play with Miles from the mid 70s
to the mid 80s.  He is amazing, I only wish they could have strectched
out...  he would have gone into his unpredictable mode, placing accents
where you least expect them, but still sounding right.

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:32:01 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Sharrock improv

Looking over this piece on improv I realize someone already posted last month
Sharrock's juggler vs. tinker vs. fool (Fool + Noise = Bullshit).  So here's a
little gem from the end:

I hate to see soloists *thinking* on stage.  At that point you should only be
concerned with *feeling*.  Trying to find places to insert your favorite licks
is like painting by numbers: always correct and always boring.... Beauty--no
matter how disturbing or how still--is always true.  Don't be afraid to let go
of the things you know.  Defy your weaker, safer self.  Create.  Make music.

----
Also an oddball thing I ran into... anybody care to comment?

Ginger Baker did a drum solo for Cream that he must have copied from Gene
Krupa--consciously or unconsciously--it was identical to what Gene had done on
"Blue Rhythm Fantasy."

---

Finally:

Kim Epperly and her husband Don have put together a model of Graceland in their
front yard.  She illuminates it every night with Christmas lights and plays
Elvis records.  "I built it for the love of Elvis," she said.

The model is 25 feet wide and 12 feet deep, surrounded by 46 small, live bushes
trimmed to look like trees...

Mrs. Epperly and her husband spend hours keeping Graceland up.  There are four
Elvis dolls, each roughly the size of Barbie, that take turns standing on the
front porch.  Mrs. Epperly is on call to move Elvis under the tiny porch when
it rains.

"I think God lets Elvis peek down from time and time and see it."

Don Epperly has never been to [the real] Graceland because he must take care of
the kids whenever his wife makes the trip [what a wuss].  "All I've seen is
pictures," he said.  "I like him.  I like his music and think he was great.
I don't scream and fall over."

Hey Scott "ET" Hammer--you live in Richmond, right?  the model of Graceland is
in Roanoke, why dontcha go see it for us?  and why weren't there any space
messages for Elvis?

Carol, any more copies of that Allmusic compilation?  I'd sure like to hear
that (wouldn't dare review it though)...  I'll get the Bodhran video for you
tonight.  Sonia a Go Go
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:42:22 CDT
From:         There is No Answer <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gradually going tornado

>> > I did ask a friend and he contributed "The Shags."
>>
>> FYI,that's "Shaggs," two G's. They were three sisters from some teeny hamlet

>I had to go over and see this album in person after being told ofit and not
>only are there 2 G's (how do you KNOW this stuff????) but the name of the
>album is THE PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE and the Shaggs = Dorothy,Betty and Helen
>Wiggins.  I will soon own a dub of it and might even compose a totally GROOVY
>review of it (including the album cover)... stand by

I've heard some other people talk about it. It was rereleased on Rhino
or some other label, and one person told me it was trancendant but her
husband said it was shit, so I'd like to hear the review and maybe
even the album sometime.

>Sonia

and Sonia, you'll love it, it's a way of life. Don't make a fuss-get
back on the bus! It looks just like a TeleFunken U-47! You look like
a penguin in bondage, boy!  B)

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
"In the eyes of the Iron Sausage, the torture never stops"
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:45:10 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Blue reviews/female vocalists

I promisesed awhile ago to start reviewing a bunch of the new/old blues
stuff I've compiled. It's a big task, but I promise to start...soon.

Last night I sat up 1/2 the night making copies of female vocalists, a la
stuff I'd like to do with a band - one of them I copied was a version of
"Bloodshot Eyes" as done by Pat Benatar on her bluesy album, the same one where
 she does "Pay the Cost to be the Boss". So now I know that Wynonie Harris
did Bloodshot. Cool. I only have a copy of the tape that my singer gave me, so
I'm sans liner notes. I guess I'll have to borry them and xerox them. I'll
also regale the list with the 90 min. tape list I come up with in the blues/
folk/country blues vein. Fer instance would you believe a Michelle Shocked
tune (from where again I don't know) called "God is a Real Estate Developer".
It's a really good, old bluesy/vampish song.  later, walt
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:05:55 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: terror that flaps
              terror that flaps in the night" at Sep 8, 92 12:44 pm

>
Michael could toodle on his pennywhistle.

That's a Zappa lyric, right?

Carol Me Baddhran, if you want me to get you that video let me know; I think
it's $30 - I'm sure it'll be there for quite a while....

The "eternal flame" at Elvis Presley Memorial park, across the street from the
late singer's Memphis mansion, went out after three months.  Thieves stole the
propane tanks.  The park's life-size plywood statue of Elvis has been
re-erected in a used car lot.

Let's see, <cmv> looks like Husserl
Jeff Beer looks like... can't get a reading... he's crouched under his terminal
EdD looks like Divine
Walter Keller looks like John Waters
Dave... Dave has a purple buzz
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:46:14 CDT
From:         Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Fastest?! Who cares...

>   So, ya know, the question of speed is moot.  What yer average guitar
>   picker does with it is a different story...So that's the question
       "Who is the funniest guitarist, and Why?

Both Frank Zappa and Richard Thompson can take the scronkiest disgusting
noise and make it fit the song, but Frank's songs are funnier, so I
give that to Frank.

>                                         Love and Kisses
>                                          EdD tHe MaDd

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
My name is Swaggert
I am an *sshole
All my friends, they call me Jim
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:13:32 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lite Classics
              12 Sep 1992 13:49:02 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.ED U>

On Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:49:02 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>
>As for the Bach Cello Suites, I understand YoYo could play all of them
>at a very young single digit age.  But word is that his recording of them
>were made at a very young age,  so while he was taking care of business,
>they are also somewhat immature in their interpretation.   So if he
>still is doing them, they will be growing.  Who knows, playing with
>Bobby might help him along on this, because their phrasing on the Air is
>very interesting.  So maybe in 20 years, YoYo records them again, and
>they might be truly something else.
>
>BTW:  Bach cello:  get Anner Bylsma, he is the cat.
>
No, get Janos Starker.  His early '80s recording of the Bach cello pieces is
superb.
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