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From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: >> Need HELP recovering tar data!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:29:04 -0500
Organization: The Programmers' Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI
NNTP-Posting-Host: mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us

In article <1993Jan26.013851.9387@cypress.com> wl@cypress.com (Wilbur Luo/COMM) writes:
[(L)user overwrote tar tape with valuable data by doing "tar cf"]
>We know the data is still on the tape, but it's inaccessible.

Depending on what type of tape drive you have, that may or may not be
true.  Cartridge tape drives (both fullsize QIC and the mini-QIC used
by QIC-40 and QIC-80 drives) *cannot* be coaxed to go past the EOD
mark on the tape, no matter what you do (short of hardware
modifications to the drive).  This is because when you write to a QIC
tape, the servo information as well as the data is erased from all the
tracks as the first track is written.  So the drive wouldn't be able
to read the data even if it did read past EOD.

I don't know enough about how DAT and DVT tapes work to say whether or
not this is true for them, but I would suspect that although the
recording format is not similar, the behavior is -- that is, a DAT/DVT
drive will not read past EOD no matter what you do.

If the data is really, really important, you might be able to find a
place that will more or less take the tape off the spool and run it
past a read head by hand, then take the individual bits thus obtained
and reconstuct them into your data.  This is likely to be very
expensive, though -- on the order of hundreds if not thousands of
dollars per kilobyte.

In summary, then, I'm afraid that the data from your tape is most
likely irrecoverably lost.  You user could consider this an excellent
lesson on why they should develop the habit of write-protecting a tape
as soon as they take it out of the drive.

-- 
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mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   |  have to remember that the nucleus of the atom
                            |  is squishy."
                            |    -W. Scheider, from a Physics lecture
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: Re: Where is UNIXworld?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:36:50 GMT

kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko) writes:

>gordon@dcs.exeter.ac.uk (Gordon Watson) writes:

>>Some of us at Exeter University are suffering long delays
>>in getting new and renewed subscriptions to UNIXworld
>>magazine. Is there a suitable email address for chasing
>>them up?

>Try letters@uworld.com  ...

Sorry for that ... that address is for letters to editors ...
One should try circ@uworld.com instead for subscription services ...

Thanks for everyone who wrote to me regarding this ...


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: cotrozzi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Massimo Cotrozzi)
Subject: Re: Can't delete file name " | more " ?
Keywords: rm, file, delete
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:03:31 GMT

gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:

>In article <1jh76kINN2fn@apache.genrad.com> jbm@apache.genrad.com (John A. Meneghini) writes:


>>Below is a listing of the files in my directory:

>>-rw-r--r--  1 jbm           790 Jan 14 10:58  | more
>>-rw-r--r--  1 jbm           402 Jan 14 11:00  | more 

>Try "rm *re", or get out adb and edit the directory entries.

>Then fix the software that's creating those.

It's called sh. It's in /bin. Unfixable.
Massimo

>-- 
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>The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.mail.sendmail
From: f_robita@crim.ca (Francois Robitaille)
Subject: bug with sendmail SVR4
Keywords: sendmail
Organization: Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:04:10 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend:

We are new on the internet and do not have NEWS yet so please answer by e-mail.
My probleme is that when i receive mail with sendmail, on AT&T SVR4, from the internet my mail always get two From lines ???
ex: From root <DATE>
    From: realsender@realplace.realdomain <DATE>

So when i want to reply the reply goes to root !
This is the only bug so far, your help on that matter would be appreciated
Thank you in advance.

			Louis-Andre Larose
			andre@ele.etsmtl.ca 
			technicien responsable du reseau
			LAN technician & SYS-OP
			Universite du Quebec
			Ecole de Technologie Superieure


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3
From: larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: sco, mpx, multi processor
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:20:46 GMT

jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:


>In October we took delivery of a twin processor Olivetti LSX 5030
>machine.

>This machine has 128mb of ram and two 1.4gb hard disks and of course
>two 33mhz 486 cpu.

>Unfortunately this machine does not stay up for more than a couple of
>days at a time, Olivetti has changed memory, one cpu, and last week
>the mother board that holds all the expansion card, but still it
>panics.

>I am curious if it is the machine or ODT 2.0, does anyone use MPX with
>multi processor machines, preferably Olivetti's LSX machines, if so,
>could you mail me to tell me if you are experiencing problems, we are
>about to receive 13 more of these and one 4 processor machine and I
>was interested to see how everyone else is doing ?

>BTW, we are about to hoick out SCO and give AT&T SVR4 a go, but I'm
>curious.

Try SVR4 and see what happens.  Does Olivetti officially support
SCO?

It is quite possible that there is some internal tweaking to be
done with SCO MPX..
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: The Future of ESIX (was Re: PC-clone UNIX Software Buyer's Guide)
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:03:08 GMT

In article <C13soo.GLz@news.rn.com> larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>>ESIX is hoping to have 4.3 publicly available by the fall. I can wait.

>Well, I can't wait.
>        -----     

As if you have a choice.

You'll be waiting even longer for Dell to do an MP UNIX, since the
company doesn't (I believe) make any MP hardware. It hasn't pledged
even itself to any USL migration beyond its current 4.0.4 base.

Then again, there's always MPX from your favourite company, SCO.

-- 
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         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
What's with all this multimedia stuff? Most vendors can't get *one* done right.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3
From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Subject: Re: sco, mpx, multi processor
Organization: DELDRA S.P.R.L. Perwez, Belgium
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:49:14 GMT

In article <C1KA6M.Atw@trauma.rn.com> larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:
>
>
>>In October we took delivery of a twin processor Olivetti LSX 5030
>>machine.
>
>>This machine has 128mb of ram and two 1.4gb hard disks and of course
>>two 33mhz 486 cpu.
>
>>Unfortunately this machine does not stay up for more than a couple of
>>days at a time, Olivetti has changed memory, one cpu, and last week
>>the mother board that holds all the expansion card, but still it
>>panics.
>
>>I am curious if it is the machine or ODT 2.0, does anyone use MPX with
>>multi processor machines, preferably Olivetti's LSX machines, if so,
>>could you mail me to tell me if you are experiencing problems, we are
>>about to receive 13 more of these and one 4 processor machine and I
>>was interested to see how everyone else is doing ?
>
>>BTW, we are about to hoick out SCO and give AT&T SVR4 a go, but I'm
>>curious.
>
>Try SVR4 and see what happens.  Does Olivetti officially support
>SCO?

In Belgium they are because the European Commision's Informatics
Directorate is going the SCO way so Olivetti support and sell it, mind
you their expertise on SCO is hmmmmmmm.

>It is quite possible that there is some internal tweaking to be
>done with SCO MPX..

Well when you see above what they have changed on the machine, you
wonder, now it appears they say that they have a patch to allow for
128MB ram and are going to try that....

>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
>keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry


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From: dsiegel@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Siegel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: ATI Ultra *mouse* and Dell 2.2
Date: 29 Jan 93 05:03:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Somebody once said that they knew the trick to getting the mouse to come
up that's on a ATI Ultra.  It had something to do with commenting out all the
entries in /etc/mousetab, or something silly like that (obviously not that, 
cuz i tried it already).

On an interesting sidenote, the mouse on the ATI Ultra Pro comes up at 
boot time as:  bmse:  blah blah blah

so, assuming I ever get X to recognize the chip, I'm in business.  ;)

-dave
 ---
Dave Siegel
Comp Engr, UofA
Unix Systems, BioTec
President, RTD Systems and Networking, Inc.


Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general
From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Subject: sco, mpx, multi processor
Organization: DELDRA S.P.R.L. Perwez, Belgium
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:22:52 GMT


In October we took delivery of a twin processor Olivetti LSX 5030
machine.

This machine has 128mb of ram and two 1.4gb hard disks and of course
two 33mhz 486 cpu.

Unfortunately this machine does not stay up for more than a couple of
days at a time, Olivetti has changed memory, one cpu, and last week
the mother board that holds all the expansion card, but still it
panics.

I am curious if it is the machine or ODT 2.0, does anyone use MPX with
multi processor machines, preferably Olivetti's LSX machines, if so,
could you mail me to tell me if you are experiencing problems, we are
about to receive 13 more of these and one 4 processor machine and I
was interested to see how everyone else is doing ?

BTW, we are about to hoick out SCO and give AT&T SVR4 a go, but I'm
curious.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general
From: dan@cedb.dpcsys.org (Dan Busarow)
Subject: Re: sco, mpx, multi processor
Organization: DPC Systems
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:37:21 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:
: 
: In October we took delivery of a twin processor Olivetti LSX 5030
: machine.
: 
: This machine has 128mb of ram and two 1.4gb hard disks and of course
: two 33mhz 486 cpu.
: 
: Unfortunately this machine does not stay up for more than a couple of
: days at a time, Olivetti has changed memory, one cpu, and last week
: the mother board that holds all the expansion card, but still it
: panics.

I have a followup question of my own, can anyone relate experiences,
positive or negative, with ANY MP boxes and SCO?

I am especially interested in any experiences with Netframes and the new
NCR 35xx series.

Thanks in advance.

Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.sys.novell
From: howardl@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Howard Leadmon - WB3FFV)
Subject: UNIXWARE Discount Purchase???
Followup-To: comp.unix.sysv386
Keywords: unix usl unixware novell
Organization: Advanced Business Solutions, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:35:57 GMT


   Hello,

I have seen mention before of the new Univel S5R4.2 release being available
at a reduced price initially (I believe somthing like $495 for the personal
edition, and $795 for the server platform).  Does anybody know if this is 
true, and if so when I can inquire about getting a copy??  I am very 
interested in this product as I work with both Novell and UNIX, but I can't
seem to find anybody that knows anything.  Any help would be most appreicated
in this matter....

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: amby <amby@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:44:47 GMT

In <1993Jan27.085329.11308@cbfsb.cb.att.com> nh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (nicholas.hounsome) writes:

>When graduates start work they almost invariably find that whatever
>amount of useful knowledge they do have is ignored because it 
>conflicts with existing procedures carved in stone ten years ago.

	And the sad fact is that the recent graduates probably have
	some very good ideas that the employer can learn.  
	
>More has to be done in the area of on-the-job training. Most companies
>send their employees on at least one course a year. If these courses
>were of the right kind then maybe things would be better.

	Of the several employers I have worked for, only one provided
	any real software engineering training.  That was at Texas
	Instruments.  The rest of them provided none at all.  I will let
	those companies remain anonymous.

	In most cases, the software engineering training consisted
	of supplying a procedures manual.  In one case, it was about
	100 pages, without a table of contents or index!  About the 
	only thing it was good was a door stop.  In my opinion it was
	totally useless.  In addition, nobody was actually following it.
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: lobsang@vnaact.dec.com (Lobsang Gyalpo)
Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:20:27 GMT


In article <1k1tasINNan0@andre.d.umn.edu>, kpierce@andre.d.umn.edu (Keith Pierce) writes...
>I believe that University courses CAN teach students
>industrial-strength processes, because I've been doing it.

Previous notes took the opposite stand but I doubt if it is the recent, fresh,
inexperienced graduate that is the cause of the Software Process NOT working.
After all if an organization already has a decent Software Process in place,
then most probably the newcomer will adjust and grow into it. Here in Austria,
I have seen many organizations that are at the Initial Level of the CMM. In
such organizations I observed that the people in power were the ones that rose
up in the organization heirarchy and that their knowledge of modern Software
Development technology was absolute zilch. Such people probably wrote in
Assembler light years ago and now control the entire Software Development process
for their organization. In such cases I believe it is primarily management
inaction/ignorance and refusal to get educated that is the cause of the 
problem. The change has to come from the Top down.

Anyways, that's the viewpoint from over here in Europe.
From: dominick@protocol.zycad.com (Dom Paniscotti)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Where can I ftp ShapeTools from?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:16:10 -0500
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dominick@protocol.zycad.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hayaku.protocol.zycad.com


In article <1993Jan26.215145.1039@delfin.com>, mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg) writes:
|> I've tried to pull the ShapeTools source from the sites specified in the FAQ,
|> but have met with no success. gatekeeper.dec.com no longer appears to have it
|> and I was not able to create an anonymous ftp connection to
|> coma.cs.tu-berlin.de. Are there any other sites that I can try? Thanks.
|> -- 
|> Mark Rosenberg
|> internet:mark@delfin.com
|> phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
|> snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814


It's on gatekeeper, but not where it was advertised to be. Try the directory
/.9/plan/shape.

			Good Luck,
			Dom
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Looking for metrics software
From: jim@technology.com (James Biard)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:41:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Keywords: metrics, structure


I'm looking for any UNIX based PD software out there that
would perform measurements of the quality of design for
a large C based application.  I'm looking for software
that would identify such things as violations of modularity,
data hiding, heirarchical structure, etc., as well as
complexity of algorithm type measurements on each module.
Anything out there?

Please reply to:

jim@espsun.space.swri.edu

Jim Biard
Southwest Research Institute
6220 Culebra Rd
San Antonio, TX 78238

Phone 210-522-3475
FAX   210-647-4325
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: dyurman@world.std.com (Dan Yurman)
Subject: Clean Room
Summary: Request for references
Keywords: software engineering, statistics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:38:58 GMT

This is a query on references for the subject "clean room."  It has
been identified to one of our programmers as a statistical method for
testing software.  We cannot find anything on it in our company's
technical library.  If people will reply to me directly via email I will
post a summary for the list.  Thanks.

Dan Yurman, dyurman@world.std.com 


Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: rro@cs.ColoState.EDU (Rod Oldehoeft)
Subject: Re: Tools for determining "code coverage"?
Originator: rro@CS.ColoState.EDU
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:33:49 GMT
Reply-To: rro@cs.ColoState.EDU
Organization: Colorado State University


In article <WYNN.93Jan27145307@haduk.cms-stl.com>, wynn@cms-stl.com (Tim Wynn) writes:
|> 
|> We are developing software on HP and SGI workstations in C under X 
|> and UNIX. As part of our software testing effort, we are required to 
|> show the total number of lines of source code covered by the final 
|> acceptance test.   This does not mean we are looking for a 
|> tool to count source lines; we are lloking for a tool which will
|> tell us the number of source line which were executed during a
|> particular run.  We would appreciate any information about automated 
|> tools to accomplish this.

HP's SoftBench product has had a testing coverage tool for C and C++
programs as part of its repertoire for years, unless I got a demo of 
something that never became a product.  Seemed really spiffy to me--
check it out!

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer)
Subject: Mixed relational and unstructured text databases
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:25:27 GMT

I'm looking for tools, data management packages, reports, etc. (information
in general) which can help with the following problem:

We are developing a database (small d, small b) which is comprised of 
two kinds of data.  The first is quite amenable to storage using one of
the common relational products (we're using ORACLE).  The second is 
formatted text and graphics (word processor files, VuGraph presentations,
and other things of that sort).

An inquiry into the database may require access to both kinds of data in
order to produce a complete (from the user's perspective) response.
AND the user shouldn't have to worry too much about the structure of
the data.

Question:  What's the best way to seamlessly integrate these kinds of data?
Also, is anyone aware of an effecient method or tool for doing text searches
in long text fields in a SQL database?

This is pretty specific to our situation, so e-mail is probably the best
method for reply.  If there's a lot of interest, I'll post the results.

Thanks for any help.

--
Tom Royer
"If you're not free to fail, you're not free."
                                            -- Gene Burns
From: pk115056@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Measuring length of variable names
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:25:06 EST
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

	I am trying to find out if there is a piece of software which will
measure the length of variable names in Ada source code.  Language and system
requirements are very flexible but the ideal solution would run on a Vax.  For
anyone interested this is to investigate whether the length of varible names
impacts the reusability of software.  Sources of information on that topic
would also be appreciated.

Please respond to:
pk115056@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu

	Thanks in advance,

		Ed Tennant 
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