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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers)
Subject: Re: cba/nba?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:53:32 GMT

In article <BszEI2.38n@apollo.hp.com>, stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
|> 
|> Ok, I still don't get it. This Monmouth guy, Alex Blackwell, gets signed by
|> the Lakers, drafted #2 in the CBA by Wichita Falls, then traded to a different
|> CBA team....all in the space of two days. Does this 2nd CBA team get to keep
|> his rights, whether or not he stays on the Lakers roster?
|> 
|> A similar thing happened with Dell Demps (whoever he is). He's been signed
|> by an NBA team (Milwaukee? San Antonio?) but was also drafted by a CBA team
|> about a week later.
|> 
|> How can a signed NBA player be drafted by the CBA? Is it legal for him to have 
|> two separate contracts since the two leagues are two separate entities? Does
|> a player simply decide if he wants to make himself eligible for both leagues?
|> I'd guess that he'd do this in a case where he knows he'll be questionable in
|> the NBA, but assured of $$$$ and playing time in the CBA.
|> 
|> In other CBA draft notes, I see the re-emergence of one of the greatest names
|> in sports history - Smokey McCovery. Where has he been, Europe?
|> 
|>                                            -stuart@apollo.hp.com
|> 

I'll take my best shot at answering your question.  I know very little about
the CBA, but I did get the chance to talk with somebody from the Quad City
CBA team at the Rocky Mountain Review, and learned a little bit.

Anyway, any player who was in the NBA draft, and was not drafted is eligible
to be drafted in the CBA draft.  Just because a player is drafted by the
CBA does not mean they will be signed by that CBA team, only that if they
want to play in the CBA, that team holds their rights.  For instance, the
guy from Quad Cities said they had something 7 draft choices, but he doubted
that even half of them would even be able to make their team.

As far as your question about Alex Blackwell.  If he was signed by the Lakers,
that is the only team he can currently have a contract with.  Now, suppose
they cut him during the season, then whatever team has him now has first dibs
on him if he decides to play in the CBA.  I assume that if they don't want 
him and someone else does, they can sell or trade his rights.  I know they
have his rights at least for this year.  I don't know how long a CBA team holds
the rights to a player though.

As far as players who have been in the NBA and who are now free agents, the
CBA has just as much right to them as anybody.

Hope this helps answer a few of your questions.

-- 
  Jennifer Ehlers                   
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  Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. 
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Clips Retain Charles Smith
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:57:22 GMT

In article <4732@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>Subject says it all.  The LA Clippers retained the services of Charles
>Smith and signed him to a multiyear contract.  
                           ^^^^^^^^^

Multi = 1.

>--Rob Clough

    --mack
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:39:45 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

|>         North Carolina
|>
|> C:   Brad Daugherty (Black Mountain, NC)
|> PF:  James Worthy (Gastonia, NC)
|> SF:  Dominique Wilkins (Washington, NC)
|> SG:  Eric "Sleepy" Floyd (Gastonia, NC)
|> PG:  Michael Jordan (Wilmington, NC)

What about SF David Thompson (Shelby, NC) and C Tommy Burleson ( ? , NC)
who starred on the NC State's 1974 National Championship team?

And who would you pick to coach this team?  Of course, he has to be 
a native of North Carolina, or at least, coach at high school level
in North Carolina ....

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From: tessier@doctp.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Antonio Peeler
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: tessier@doctp.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Peeler signed last Friday with the Lakers.  The signing was largely
overshadowed by the news that Shaq had signed with Orlando for gobs
of money.  No details were released about the contract, only that it
was a multi-year deal.

To answer the second part of the question, no, I can't recall a
Laker player holding out for an extended length of time.

Does anyone know if Peeler is playing in the L.A. Summer League
now that he's signed?  Also, any more word from our west coast friends
about a possible Worthy deal?

Ken
From: dmarasco@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (David Marasco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Smith signs with the Spurs
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Childhood heros die hard.  Time to stop watching the Rockets and
start watching the Spurs.

DM
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: LARRY
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:23:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug18.192349.3381
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <18AUG92.17145076@vax.clarku.edu>, rsmall@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> 
|>    LARRY BIRD has just retired, He will be an assistant coach with the Boston
|> Celtics.
|>

He will stay with the Celts, but this is not necessarily true... they would GIVE
him the job if he wanted it, i'm sure, but this is by no means absolute...

 
|> THE BASKETBALL WORLD IS SADDENED.
|> 
|>                                      Rich...


-- Venk Reddy --
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From: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Victor Koa)
Subject: Re: LARRY BIRD RETIRES
Reply-To: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Victor Koa)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.064131.23266@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:

|> 
|> So when does he [Larry] get inlisted into the hall of fame??
|>  
|> O.
|> 

  They'll probably wait 'til Magic retires as well (I mean he makes it clear
that he's NEVER coming back) and add a brand new wing to the Hall of Fame
for Bird and Magic.  I think it would be a great idea to have the two of them
inducted into the Hall at the same time, since there is an NBA era named
after them.

---

Reg Domaratzki     Co-op student at Bell Northern Research in Ottawa, Canada
  "Sincerity is the secret to success.  Once you can fake that, you've got
                             it made."
From: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au (Kim Shearer)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Reply-To: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:10:31 GMT

In article 22871@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>In article <16qvuiINN2lk@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>> There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball
>
>..... bullshit deleted.
>I watch both leagues (well not too much NBL), so I have seen the australians
>play.   They seem to perform well against teams that can't match them for heightbut seem to crack under pressure against the more power teams.  They are just
>outside the talent of the  major European teams, and definitely no match for theDream team.   They are probably on par with Spain, Brazil and P.Rico. 
>>
>>And if the Aussie team was so good, where were they in the medal round? Just wondering.
>
>Their sixth place was a true indication of where Australian basketball standard
>lies.
>
>O.G

  Well I agree the initial poster had no idea, but I think Australia should have 
  finished higher than sixth.  I think they got a bit scared after their first 
  loss, was it to the Croatians or Lithuanians ?  They seemed to me to lose
  their way a little, like they lost a bit of confidence.  Still the teams they
  lost to were no mugs, lets face it.

  I must admitt the highlight of the competition for me was watching Drexler,
  Mullin and Barkley (even if he is a bas___d) inside.  Hard to keep track of
  the ball sometimes.  I would also have to admitt to being a long time fan
  of Drexler.
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who's The Best
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:12:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.031217.14591
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>>Point Guard: John Stockton
>>  I am a huge fan of Tim Hardaway but I would give
>>the nod to John.  Not only is he currently the best
>>assist man but he is a solid scorer.  Tim scores
>>more but doesn't pass as good or run the team like
>>Stockton.

When Stockton was injured, the Dream Team lost their best hand at the
throttle.  I was very impressed by how well the "west" squad of Drexler,
Stockton, Malone, Mullin, and Robinson did.  Each of these people
brought something to the table, complementing the other guys.

>   Drexler is a choker. I haven't seen too much of him in

You're a dork.  I haven't seen too much of you in this newsgroup, but
that's OK, I'll make a snap judgment.  I hope it's about as accurate as
your assessment of Drexler.  Drexler is the second best shooting guard
in the league, and one of the best of all time.  I think he's a better
passer and rebounder than Jordan, but not quite as good a defender and
definitely not as good a scorer.   

Against Chicago, his stablemate Porter flat disappeared.  Drexler
did what he could against a team that includes what some are calling the
best player of all time.  He couldn't do it.  Magic's Lakers beat the
Celtics more times than the Celts beat the Lakers.  By your logic, Bird 
is a choker too, right?

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From: troy.beck@smurfbbs.uucp (Troy Beck) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Olympic hoops referees
Date: 11 Aug 92 23:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SELECTaWARE BBS - Mike Waldner 605/256-2812
Reply-To: troy.beck@smurfbbs.uucp (Troy Beck) 

Just to get something straight, DA BULLS, If ever such a game could be
lined up, would totally kill the dream team. Face it, the DT hasn't
played together that long, and they don't have their rythm and the feel
down, etc. Just about any team (With execption of lousy ones) could beat
the dream team. Not just the Bulls.


   Blazers in '93!!

 Troy Beck
                              
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From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.055314.14577@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy) writes:
|> >>Their sixth place was a true indication of where Australian basketball standard
|> >>lies.
|> >  Well I agree the initial poster had no idea, but I think Australia should have 
|> >  finished higher than sixth.  I think they got a bit scared after their first 
|> >  loss, was it to the Croatians or Lithuanians ?  They seemed to me to lose
|> >  their way a little, like they lost a bit of confidence.  Still the teams they
|> >  lost to were no mugs, lets face it.
|> >
|> The trouble with the Australian team is that it doesn't have a high quality 
|> point guard, or a team leader.  Most players on the team are content to just
|> let Gaze shoot all the time.  The trouble is when Gaze is stopped that no one
|> else is prepared to take it to the Opposition, until Australia gets a good 
|> point or someone else prepared to lead by example on the team then we are 
|> doomed to be a mediocre(sic) team.

There were a lot of problems; I personally thought they should have done
much better, perhaps finishing 3rd or 4th.  The playing of Sengstock at
certain times by Hurley was insane; Phil Smyth was too small for the Croatian
and Linthuanian and CIS guards, who could just shoot over him whenever they
liked.  Australia's offence was pretty static; if the outside shot wasn't going
down (as happened after game 1 agains Puerto Rico) then they'd try to dish
it inside to Longley or Bradtke.  Problem was, too often it was very congested
in the paint and it was hard (but not impossible) to get points.  Gaze refused
to play defense (he looks really _slow_ on defensive transition) and often
the opposition could just take easy unguarded treys.  Loggins in my opinion
should have been starting.  

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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BIRD supplement in Boston Globe
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:48:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <14972@ksr.com> dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin) writes:
>Copies of "The End of an Era", a special Globe section in yesterday's
>edition is available by sending a check for $1 per copy

That's more than I paid for the entire paper  :-)     

C Squared
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Magic News
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:01:47 GMT
Keywords: Orlando Magic

In article <1693ngINNhik@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>How is Terry Catledge working out?  

Reasonably well.  He has been an offensive leader since the team started, and
one of the leading rebounders.  He spent a year in Goukas' dog house two years
ago, but had a good year last year.  He is definitely the Magic's starting PF.
With all that said, we are probably overpaying (at ~$1.6M/yr) him.  He has
4 years left on his contract; I don't see him being re-signed when it 
expires.

LATE NEWS - I just heard on a local sports progrma that Brian Williams 
collapsed last night during LA Summer League play, and was hospitalized.  Does
anyone have any details, or any further developemnts?

Tom@Orlando
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: snore
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:20:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug20.142008.34837
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1741@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.124324.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
>>Ed Lor and Dave Meek.
>>
>>Please flame on E Mail.
>>
>>It is getting tiring and boring.
>>
>>I am falling asleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>ZZZZZZZzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>Hey Sly,
>
>It's the off-season. Let these guys abuse each other publicly.
>If we were in the middle of the season or the playoffs when the
>heavy traffic in this group is a 24hour thing,these guys would be run out of
>this group wearing asbestos suits because Net-Gods wouldn't never let them
>carry on their BS the way have for the last 2 months.

But wait, I thought Ed and I were already Net-Gods??? What are you going
to do, get Trent and Gary to stop us :-) :-)

>
>-Mark


-- 
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uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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From: rssmith@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: For What It's Worth   
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:20:06 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


The San Antonio Spurs free agent guard Matt Othick to a contract.
Othick was the starting point guard for the Arizona Wildcats last
season, averaging 10.5 points/5.2 assists.

What are Othick's chances of sticking with the Spurs?  I know Tark
coveted him 4 years ago but it seems to me that he will not make
it.


Rick Smith - Transplanted Wildcat Fan
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: S. Roberts: Trade Bait??
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1992Aug17.094119.6083@iscsvax.uni.edu> baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Now that the Magic's Stanley Roberts is officially "trade-bait",  I was
>wondering what offers the Magic have been hearing for him.  Or do the Magic
>plan on playing the twin towers?  Would this work in the NBA?
>
2 weeks back I read in Detroit News that Bucks and Pistons (why I don't know)
are interested in Roberts but Bucks might have Roberts.

The explanation was: Bucks accepted Sam Vincent and his salary, so that Orlando could sign Shaq' and Stanley. Now Orlando can trade Stanley to the Bucks. I have no idea how this can be worked but that is what Detroit News reported.


Parag
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:44:23 GMT

In article <eoq.23.0@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu> eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen) writes:
>>
>>3) If this posting reflects things to come (not to mention that you are
>>   a lowly Pistons fan -- Rodman sucks, Laim-beer sucks, Isiah is a crybaby
>>   superstar wannabe, CHICAGO RULES), maybe we need a kill file for you.
>>
>
>I don't think so! Rodman is one of the best 'hustlers' and defenders in the 
>league.
>Laim-beer may have his personality problems, but he's a stable scorer 
>for the PISTONS and has a deadly outside shot.
>Isiah may be a crybaby now, but you have to respect his BBALL career.
>And lets not leave out Joe Dumars, who I think is probably the most 'steady' 
>guards in the league as far as offensive+defensive ability.
>
>Just my opinions being a PISTONS fan and also
>    JORDAN and CHICAGO blows!!!!!

Hey, that was pretty easy.  

Let me give it another try...

Blazers suck, Drexler will never be Jordan, Pippen can eat up Kersey,
and I'd rather have Koncak than Duckworth.


Should I...well okay ;^)

-- 
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Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: Yet another my-state-is-better-... update
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:09:13 GMT



claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.171115.2648@NeoSoft.com>, I wrote:

[...about an all-Indiana team...]

>Today, LewisM@jmb2.jmb.com sent me this reply, which he
>asked me to pass on to the congregation:
>However, you forgot to mention perhaps the
>greatest player of all time: Oscar Robertson (Indianapolis
>Crispus Attucks).  His high school team went undefeated in both
>his junior and senior years.  At Cincinnati, his team won consecutive
>NCAA championships against Ohio State, who only had Havlicek,
>Lucas, Siegfried, et. al.

True, Cincinnatti won back-to-back NCAA championships ('61, '62, lost
to Loyola in '63), but Oscar Robertson had graduated and moved on to
the NBA.  Cincinnatti's big star was (if I'm not mistaken) Paul
Hogue.

Cincinnatti did beat Ohio State in '61 (was it in the final?) when
the Buckeyes had Lucas/Havlicek/Sigfried, and last year alot of
people looked for a rematch years later in the NCAA tournament.

--
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From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:26:16 GMT

I have two thoughts (OK, maybe three) about this whole topic;

1) why wouldn't some races (and this is defining race more narrowly
than simply black, white, or asian) have different "athletic bell
curves"?  I mean there are obvious visible differences between races
why shouldn't there be non-visible differences?

2) am I alone in thinking that if we compiled every NBA player's
standing jump reach and then created a distribution curve by race
the curve for blacks would be different than the curve for whites?
But remember this might be due to social prejudice as much as racial
differences (similar to the lack of black NFL qbs).

3) It is difficult to consider differences without ranking those
differences.  But it is not defacto racism to ponder the existence
of racial differences.  

Peter B
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: HE'S BACK (Re: Debunking ... [and other bullshit])
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article c2du03QS5aD000@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.162330.3858@ichips.intel.com> harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>>In article <20435@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>>
 

[tedious usages of fuck and other mundane swear words deleted]

Yeah? well, my dad can beat up your dad!

Michael Wong.
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Il Messagero update
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:03:18 GMT

Well I did a little asking around here at work and this is what I found
out.

Il Messagero is a "Catholic newspaper", very political. The guy I 
talked to compared it to USA Today in terms of some of the stories
they run. 

He says there are ~14 newspapers in Italy and a monthly basketball
magazine that translates as "Basket Giants". In the opinion of
the guy I asked(who is a former pro soccer player from Italy
who has lived in the US for quite some time), it would be next
to impossible for the stats of Ferry and Shaw to have been routinely
switched. All the newspapers usually run boxscores, the monthly 
definitely would have boxscores. The official scorekeeper is 
employed by the basketball federation, its not a sportswriter
or an employee of Il Messagero.

Although he reiterated that in general the paper is not a very good
one, he said that in his opinion, shaw was wrong. He also claims
that Shaw didn't play very well in Italy and was probably trying to
save face with the accusation.

Knowing this, I retract my earlier statements, I now would say that
as Gidi said, there is no evidence to support Shaw's claim that the
stats were routinely switched.




Russ Smith
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