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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.132117.2509@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) 
	writes...

>I only watched a few plays of the game between the Dolphins and Bills,
>and on nearly every one of them the MNF guys were saying that Miami was
>doing something illegal.  Once Dierdork wanted a late hit out of bounds
>(seemed like an okay hit to me), another time Marino was drawing the
>Bills offsides by moving his upper body (replay did NOT clearly show this
>at all), and on yet another they wanted a pick on some wide receiver
>(replay showed this was possible).  Then when the Bills had the ball
>they did nothing but gush about how great they were.  It seemed like
>bias or bandwagon jumping to me.  Keep in mind that I'm not making a
>statement about either team (I don't care that much), but just making
>an observation about the announcers everyone loves to hate.  Did anyone
>else notice this?

Well, having watched the game *three times* Monday night *alone*, I could say
this:

Marino should be brought in on Murder One for the crap he got away with.  While
the play you referred to above (where they actually got a replay) was doubtful
(or at least not as bad), the rest of it was BS that should have gotten Dan
"Isotoner" Marino a couple of flags.

The hit *was* late.  And *way* out of bounds, even past the white stripe down
the sidelines.  As such, it *should* have been called.  However, since I didn't
think it was necessarily out-of-bounds or could have been stopped the first 
time, I whole-heartedly excused the ref.

That *was* a pick.  The defender was run off.

Thurman Thomas should have been credited with a TD.  He hit the inside of the
pylon, which is a score.

>-- 
>Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
>mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
>"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

BILLS 26, 'FINS 20

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Re: Seaguppies Only Scoring 5.9 a Game! (was Re: Current standings)REFRESH
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: world,local
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:01:45 GMT

In <1992Nov20.115230.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>Who is the all-time NFL leader in fewest points per game in a season?  The
>Seaguppies are making a good run at it--5.9 points per game!

I know that last year's Indianapolis Colts set the record for fewest points
in a season, and I think it was 141 if I'm not mistaken.  That would work
out to slightly less than 9 a game.  Of course, Seattle will shatter that
record at their current pace--they're not even headed towards a 100 point
season.
And last year when the Colts managed only 141 (or whatever it was) they
were only outscored by Chip Lohmiller.  Seattle on the other hand is being
outscored by a handful of kickers and a position player (Emmitt Smith).
Definitely a sad bunch this year.


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From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 26 Fins 20
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:39:24 GMT

In article <BxuM87.6sw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
> In article <BxuHJ7.4p8@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:
>>
>>Subject says it all. Great game. Shit refs. Bills back in control...
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
> That should be SHIT REFS. Never have I seen a worsely biased officiating
> job in my life. Well, the Bills proved that they can beat Miami even when
> the Refs are against them. 
> One more thing: this the a Professional football league, so shouldn't we
> have Professional refs?
> 
>>
>>Mike C.
   The refs were incredibly bad in my opinion but I think you're crazy to say
they were biased against the Bills.  If it wasn't fairly even they were more
biased against the Dolphins.
   It was a great game even if the Bills won but just think how much better
it would have been with some good refs.  You'd think the MNF games would have
better refs since it's such a widely watched game.

			Shane L. Bell
			bell@ecs.umass.edu
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Power Ratings
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:32:44 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the computer program's "power ratings" for all 28 NFL teams.
HIGHLIGHTS: Much-maligned Denver creeps past much-woofed Miami!
            Exciting 4-way race for coveted "worst team in the NFL" spot!
===




             NFL Team Ratings 


      Team           Off  Def  Total

      San Francisco   41   27   68
      Dallas          32   27   59
      Buffalo         35   21   56
      Minnesota       28   26   54
      Philadelphia    24   30   54
      Kansas City     27   25   52
      New Orleans     22   30   52
      Washington      26   26   52
      Houston         28   22   50
      Pittsburgh      18   30   48
      Denver          22   24   46
      N.Y. Giants     25   20   45
      Miami           26   18   44
      L.A. Raiders    17   26   43
      San Diego       20   23   43
      L.A. Rams       21   18   39
      Phoenix         18   21   39
      N.Y. Jets       15   23   38
      Detroit         22   15   37
      Chicago         23   13   36
      Cleveland       14   22   36
      Atlanta         25   10   35
      Green Bay       15   17   32
      Cincinnati      19   12   31
      Seattle          2   22   24
      Tampa Bay       13   10   23
      New England     11   11   22
      Indianapolis     7   11   18
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:36:43 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Med

In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu> (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
> I am openly voting YES. I know it seems stupid, but I think they deserve to
> post on here. It's not like they act like Giants fans, anyway.. sheesh.....

OK Derrell, the doctor will see you now. Have a seat on the sofa; relax.
Now repeat [subliminal pun] after me...

 "Wide right...it's only a game...I still have a life...people like me..."

---
          Larry Simmons                        larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology        ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine   ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packer News (was Re: Packers starting QB)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 NOV 92 09:22:49    

In article <b1M002542bv801@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jan10@cd.amdahl.com (Jim Nimmer) writes...

>Does anyone know if Farve will start Sunday against the Bears?

This morning's Wisconsin State Journal says Favre is listed as 
questionable on the Packers injury report.  This is supposed to mean 
that he's got a 50-50 chance of playing.  The Bears will easily be 
able to tell who is going to start by just checking for the presence 
of the wild horses that will be needed to drag Favre off the field.

Also listed as questionable is Darrell Thompson with a sprained ankle. 
(Somebody asked me via email if they should put DT on their FFL team 
now that Vince Workman is out.  Guess what I said.)

Vince Workman has not been placed on IR yet.  The coaches are still 
mulling that one over.  If he goes on IR Marcus Wilson will be 
activated from IR.  (So much for his 1000 yd season.)

The Packers have signed Ron Lewis off the waiver wire.  He was the 
49ers 4th WR and was waived when they activated John Taylor.  He may 
start Sunday opposite Sharpe against the Bears.  What the heck, he can't 
do any worse than the players they've had in that spot.

To make room for Lewis the Packers waived Kitrick Taylor.  Taylor, who 
is best remembered in GB for catching the winning TD against the 
Bengals earlier this year, was ironically featured this week in the 2 
page poster layout that comes folded in the middle of the Packer 
Report.

>Packer victory on Sunday = Final nail in the coffin for the Ditka era.

Geez, don't even say that.  He may read r.s.f.p.  Don't want to give 
them any added incentive.  :-)

>GO PACK!

Ditto!

JGH
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: *** VOTE ***  (BUSTS LIST)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:46:22 GMT

>To help with the BUST category, Joel Buschbaum of Pro Football Weekly 
>had this list in the Oct 4th issue. 
>
>1987 - Vinnie Testaverde (#1 pick overall)
>     - Alonzo Highsmith (3rd overall)
>     - Brent Fullwood, RB, (4th overall)
>     - Mike Junkin, LB, (5th Overall)
>     - Kelly Stouffer, QB, (6th overall)
>     - Reggie Rogers, DL, (7th overall)
>     - Shawn Knight, DL, (11th overall)
>     - Brian Bosworth, LB, (#1 in supplemental draft)

Can you really call all of these picks busts when the entire draft was obviously
very weak?  Unless the GM's all got together for a cocktail party the morning
of the draft and got sloshed?

Jason Gische
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN...TOP DRAFT _BUSTS_ AND _STEALS_ ARE...
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:10:52 GMT

In article <10045@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman) writes:
>
>In case you didn't catch it, rec.sport.football.pro voted on the biggest
>draft busts and steals in recent years ( 1980 --> ).  Here's the results:
>
>TOP BUSTS:             VOTE % 
>
>3)  Vinny Testeverde   10.4 

I don't think the book is closed on Vinny.  Finally, with Sam Wyche here,
we are in the process of building a solid, NFL, offense around him.   Not
seeing him each week, most people will judge him by the bottom line: wins
and stats, but I think the guy has a lot of heart.  This guy has absorbed
a lot of punishment here both on the field and off.  I just hope he'll be
a member of our team when he finally does make it big.
>
>TOP BOONS/STEALS:      VOTE %
>
>3)  Thurmon Thomas       8.2    2nd rd. 

Case in point:  this was a guy that the Bucs could have drafted but chose
to bypass, instead trading down, and picked Lars Tate (does ANYONE remem-
ber him?) toward the end of the 2nd round.  Instead of Vinny spending the
last five years handing off to him, that other University of Miami gradu-
ate up in Buffalo has had the pleasure.

But I think this regime is doing positive things here in Tampa.  Look  no
further than the middle of our defensive line for two young men who  will
be included in somebody's "TOP STEALS" list:  Mark Wheeler (3rd rd.)  and
Santana Dotson (5th rd.).
--
+---------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------+
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|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
|lej@pdn.paradyne.com |  things to waste."    | Largo, FL 34649 (USA) |
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From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF)
Subject: NFC East (and the Cowboys)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:29:20 GMT

Quick question:  Does anyone know the last time that all of the NFC
East teams lost on the same weekend?  (No, I don't know, but I figured
that if there's anyone in the US that does, they're probably reading
this).

----

Those of us in the Boston area got to watch the Rams-Cowboys game
yesterday, which for a Cowboy fan turned out to be both good and bad.
It was obvious when they went to the game (the score was 7-0) that
Dallas was going to have a hard time winning.  The linebackers simply
were not into the game.  Neither was Ike Holt, who was burned more
than twice.  But what amazed me most was that on both sides of the
ball, the Cowboys looked like they had already played one game ealier
in the day - everything was in slow motion.  

All in all, I think that if Dallas had to lose again, it was good that
they lost to a team viewed was mediocre by the media.  This will
remove the "we're the best" flair that has become prominent in the
press recently when referring to Dallas, and let the 'Boys concentrate
on playing football.  I'll bet J. Johnson is plenty pissed.

Anyone who thinks Haley doesn't mean a lot to the defense - see
Sunday's game.  

The short screen (in the flat) to Novacek on third down (late third
quarter) was the worst offensive call I've seen this year by the
'Boys.

Was it my imagination, or was Dallas playing that damned soft zone the
entire game.  I thought they had given up on this after the Lions ate
it alive last year?  What's the point of having a Brown or a Kevin
Smith if you are going to force them to play zone and not man?

I feel for Phoenix next week.  No promises on the week after that -
but I have a feeling that the Boys are going to want to prove that
this game was simply a mental letdown (on their part - the Rams played
a HELL of a game.  funny, though, that it required a near flawless
game by the Shams to beat the Cowboys, and then Aikman *almost* brought
them back).

Mark

8-2, but we're a game back of SF.  


PS. (to John Gloria or someone else in the Bay area):  is the Examiner
or Comical claiming (perhaps rightfully so) that the Niners are now
the best team in the NFL?  Just wondering if everyone out there is
back on the Niner's bandwagon (unlike last year) ...



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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Playoff questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: WORSHIPMORANOW
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.175829.22177@nntpserver.chevron.com>, 
hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes...
>(Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>>I have a few questions for all of you out there.  The following is a 
>>HYPOTHETICAL example of a possible playoff picture in the NFC.  Again this is 
>>not a prediction (unless of course it turns out to be correct :-)).
>>
>>                    Dallas    13-3      NFC East winner
>>                    Min.      9-7       NFC Central winner
>>                    SF        12-4      NFC West winner
>>                    NO        11-5      wildcard
>>                    Phil      10-6      wildcard
>>                    GB :)     9-7       wildcard
>>
> 
>It would be:
>Dallas and SF have byes.
>GB @ Minn.
>Phil @ NO. 
> 
>If Phil wins, they'd play at SanFran the following week and the GB-Min
>winner would play at Dallas.
> 
>If NO wins, they'd play at Dallas the following week and the GB-Min
>winner would play at SanFran.
> 

Sorry, but that isn't right in this scenario. The rule is that the worst 
wildcard team, regardless of division, plays the team with the best record. 
Thus, if Minn. wins, it plays San Fran. and the Phil.- New Orleans winner would 
play Dallas, but if Green Bay won, it would play Dallas and San Fran. would 
play the Phil.- New Orleans winner.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: swh0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN WILLIAM HUMINSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sikahema
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:43:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92328.003948DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu>, DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu (DCR) writes
:
>
>    I am a fairly new Eagles fan, and I have a question about Vai Sikahema.  I
>have been impressed with his play all year, and against the Giants he was amazi
>ng.  When and how did the Eagles get him?  Was he always this good?  Or has La
>rry Pasquali, the special teams coach, improved their play so much that he look
>s more impressive than he is?  I thought it was poor sportsmanship, but extreme
>ly funny,  when he beat up the Giants sign on the goalpost after returning a ki
>ck for a touchdown.  Maybe the Eagles have a shot after all. I'm not giving up.
>up
>
Vai Sikahema was picked up in the off season as a free agent from Green Bay.
He's been with the Cardinals also and has always been a good returner.
Special teams do look better than last year tho :)
-- 
                    o
                    |-}             -->           (O)   Stephen "Stew" Huminski
                   /\                                   SWH0 @Lehigh.edu
From: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ATTENTION BROWNS FANS
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Odyssey BBS - Garrettsville, OH - 216-527-2186
Reply-To: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 

-> I have a question for die-hard Browns fans.  I have been hearing good
-> things about Lawyer Tillman over the last several weeks.  My question
-> is: was last week's performance a fluke, or did San Diego really have
-> that much trouble covering him?

 Lawyer Tillman had a great game last Sunday, catching for over 100 yds
on 7 receptions.  Tillman is the best receiver on the Browns (but the
receiving corp is bad), and clearly after his 2 years battling with
numerous injuries, he has come back strong and looking like the player
the Browns knew he would be when they drafted him.

 Cleveland faces Minnesota this weekend.  The Vikings have the hardest
hitting defense in the NFL.  It will be interesting to see how Tillman
does as he is garnering more respect around the league.

-> covering him?  Did they double-team Jackson?  How did the pass
-> protection look?  Did Tomaczak have time in the pocket or was he
-> under pressure?

 The pass protection was not good for T-zak last Sunday.  On several
occasions, the Chargers sacked him when they were well in field-goal
range.  When he did have protection, he found Tillman, Bavaro, and
Jackson for modest ball-control gains.

Steve Leu  Internet: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us
Garrettsville, OH    steve.leu@odybbs.UUCP  Fido 1:157/611
Organization: The Odyssey BBS *  HST/v32b * 216 527-2186
                                                          
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From: dheyser@dazixco.ingr.com (Doak Heyser)
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Organization: Dazixco
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:01:24 GMT

>Dan Welch writes:

>Aikman just hasn't had very many oppotunities over his four year career
>to show his come-from-behind ability.

   Huh?  I guess the cowboys have been ahead and won almost every game 
Aikman has been in over the last four years.

- Doak Heyser
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:15:52 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <92321.164551TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu> TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu (Thomas A. Gryn) writes:
>Yes, and I'm sure 49er fans were saying the same thing a couple of weeks
>ago. I'm glad the Eagles (who I root for) are finished playing Phoenix.
>The Cardinals are very, very inconsistent. On any given week they can rise
>up and beat anybody, though most of the time they beat themselves. With their
>WR corps of Phrohl (sp), Randall Hill, and Ernie Jones, and QBs like Rosenbach
>and Chandler, they can play catch-up with any team in the league, and they've
>got a number of solid if unspectacular runners. Their defensive secondary is
>weak, but their LBs are practically all #1 picks, and they often play well
>(defying the Cards history of off-the-wall draft picks). This isn't a sure
>win, especially considering it's an away game & Dallas is coming off a loss.


Well actually I was joking or anti-woofing in that post, I am a Cardinal
fan. The Cards have been inconsistent, their offense has been better
since Johnny Johnson got out of the Bugel doghouse, but losing to the
Falcons frankly shocked me. I do not think the secondary is weak, I 
just think that they are young and combined with inconsistent pass rush,
the corners tend to give up some big plays. Massey has 3 tds off picks
now but still gets beat a bit too much. Dexter Davis had 7 tackles 
yesterday, for a guy who usually only plays in the nickel thats a lot,
of course against the red gun, they probably had him in most of the 
game. Swann had his best game of the year yesterday, 6 tackles and a
sack, not bad for a DE.

Still to beat Dallas they have to do something they have yet to do,
shut down Emmitt Smith.

I think they will be competitive, it would not shock me for them to
win the game.

Dallas fans feel free to woof your heads off (-:.

Russ Smith
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills No. 1 in AFC
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:30:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov19.173021.27303
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <92323.205743RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Okay, since you requested to get real, let's get real.  After the Steelers
>won, they were 7-3.  Buffalo was 7-2.  Who was ranked higher?  The Steelers,
>yep, believe it or not, educate yourself Jason, you might learn something new.
>The Bills were in 4th because they were in a wildcard position.  A wildcard
>position never is ahead of a division leader.  But now, Buffalo has jumped to
>No. 1, which I was the first to post this info.  Brag about your team all you
>want, but don't brag about your team being the best in the league if they
>aren't, which they weren't at the present time.
>** Rob **

excuse me?  i believe you are either seriously deranged or did not
actually read what i posted... never did i mention that the bills were
the best in the league, they (obviously are not)... i was also off by
one game in my 'education' of the steelers record... gee, how
unprofound of me... excuse me for making a trivial error...

the m,ain thrust of my argument still remains that it was
inappropriate to give playoff spots when 2 of the teams involved in
those spots had not played their game yet... because, whoever won the
miami-buffalo game would have been the conference leader... not
pittsburgh...


as far as me getting educated, i am in a PhD program continuing my
education... how about you?

jason