From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: OCCAM doesn't like it. (Teen Agent)
Keywords: teen agents exist!  Oswald and Sue's father in-law
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:31:46 GMT
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In article <5923@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
|pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes:
|
|| I believe that we can now conclude that there was at lease one teenage spy
|| and dispose of Robert's silly syllogism "no spy is a teenager", which has 
|| gotten much undeserved mileage.
|
|We can now move on to the reductio ad absurdum that because it cannot
|be proved absolutely that there has never been a "spy" under the age of
|20, the Oswald must have been a spy.

There was no reductio ad absurdum. There is a wealth of circumstantial evidence
indicating that Oswald had intelligence connections. It was somehow thought
that bringing up Oswald's early age would somehow falsify the case. It does
not, as it was shown that there were in fact Teen Agents, of various sorts.

| ...It's true that he led an unusual
|life, but since he seems especially unsuited and unqualified for espionage
|work, it's not necessary to make the leap that he was a spy.

The circumstanial evidence does not rest on the fact that he led an unusual
life, but rather on the kind of life, i.e., working for Atsui air force base in
Japan etc... There are lots of people leading unusual lives that no one
considers to have intelligence connections. 

|| My opinion as of this time, based on information some of which has floated
|| previously on the network, is that Oswald was politically, a rightist, who
|| had a "special relationship" with both the CIA and FBI, and during that
|| relationship developed a "cover" which was that of a political leftist.
|
|You can believe this, but you can't prove it. The overwhelming evidence is
|that Oswald was a Marxist.

Why would a Marxist be hired at a photo firm that requires a security
clearence? (Just for starters)

|| This scenario is very firmly established in evidence, so much so that we
|| now routinely take it for granted, not remembering the days when Oswald was
|| still seen as the Warren Commission painted him -- a kind of left-leaning, 
|| Squeaky Fromm-Commie-wannabee, and a loner. For a lefty loner, Oswald 
|| sure had an extensive network of righty consorts.
|
|Oswald was friendless. The acquaintances he had after returning from the USSR
|were people--George de M., for instance--who were interested in Marina's
|welfare. There was no network of consorts, right or left.

Wasn't it the Paine's, who have connections with intelligence, that got Oswald,
not Marina, the job at the TSBD, at a time when Marina was *seperated* 
from Oswald? In any event, your distinction between helping Oswald and helping
Marina seems irrelevent, since you could, and probably will, argue that to help
one is to help the other!

|| Garrison got it right -- Lee Oswald, boy spy, easily explains a whole bunch
|| of data that the WC was struggling to explain, and, because of this,
|| Occam likes it a lot.
|
|Occam nicked himself shaving. The "boy spy" only explains Garrison's web
|of half-truths; it does not explain much of what really happened.

Oswald's record should not be confused with the case against Shaw.

|| (P.S. -- Don't forget.  Now that Boris has opened up the Commie files, we'll
||  get to see what THEY thought of Oswald.  Stay tuned.)
|
|This was covered on Nightline some months back. They did not say much more
|than Nosenko said after he defected in 1964.

And what a story *that* was, wasn't it?
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