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From: bytey@werple.apana.org.au (Chris Hames)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: cmpi.l #,d16(pc) with SAS6asm, A68K, etc
Date: 17 Nov 1992 11:36:23 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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jamie@cdevil.unx.sas.com (James Cooper) writes:

>This could get into an rwar, but...

>My copy of the Manual is dated 1989, and has the same quote, but lists
>the valid addressing modes in two separate tables, one that has modes
>which work on the whole family, and the other for 68020 and up.

>The heading at the top of the page says this instruction is valid for
>all members of the family, and the pertinent part of the table looks
>like this:

>            Addr. Mode         Mode    Register
> ========================================================
> |      (xxx).W            |   111   |    000           |
> |      (xxx).L            |   111   |    001           |
> |      #<data>            |   ---   |    ---           |
> |                         |         |                  |
> |                         |         |                  |
> |      (d16,PC)           |   111   |    010           |
> |     (d8,PC,Xn)          |   111   |    011           |
> ========================================================

>Now the acid test is to execute this statement on a 68000, and see if it
>works or not... well, it doesn't crash my machine, but I'd have to spend
>a few minutes writing to actually see if it works or not...  :-)

Well I started this mini war of quotations so I will add what I have found.
It appears that the cmp #<data>,(d16,PC) is only valid on the 68020 and
higher processors.  Besides being told this the instruction works on my
68030 and it crashed a friends 68000.

The only problem is I haven't found one assembler which correctly handles
it as such:-

SAS 6 asm won't touch it no matter what processor switch.
A68K won't touch it. 
Aztec as passes it no matter what processor.
Asm-one asm won't touch it.

>-- 
>Jim Cooper
>(jamie@unx.sas.com)                             bix: jcooper
>Any opinions expressed herein are mine (Mine, all mine!  Ha, ha, ha!),
>and not necessarily those of my employer.

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Internet: bytey@werple.apana.org.au               FidoNet: 3:633/353
From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: vd0:  where can I find it?
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:22:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.23961

Hello,
	I have a massive ammount of free Ram on my Amiga, and I was wondering  
if there was a way to use something called VD0: on it.  I have tried to use the  
rad: drive, but for some reason, owning the B2000 has prevented the successful  
use of it.  Anyone got any ideas for me? 
-Joe Solinsky
vexar@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: wgkramer@cs.vu.nl (Ewout Kramer)
Subject: Re: amiga crashing
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:24:17 GMT

scuster@chihuacle.gac.edu (Stephen R Custer) writes:

>I'm getting a little tired of my machine.  For some reason the caps lock  
>light turns on and my keyboard freezes.  Sometimes it just flickers and I  
>get the same result.  I turn off the machine, turn it back on and  
>sometimes it goes back to normal.  I want to know why it's doing this and  
>if I can get rid of it.  It gets really annoying when I'm writing a paper  
>and everthing freezes up.

>any help or answers?

I've had these problems too. I'm almost sure your keyboard processor
is damaged, it's placed just below the DEL keys on the A500.


Ewout

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Subject: Re: Attn Commodore: You are making a Big Mistake (Hardware
Reply-To: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:33:20 GMT


In a previous article, Ty_Sarna@fcircus.sat.tx.us (Ty Sarna) says:
>It would still work under copyleft or the Berzerkeley license to just
>distribute those driver files as object only, if they weren't copylefted
>themselves. Nonoptimal, but better than nothing.

  My question is this:  If you can't distribute sources, is it really worth
doing?.  Object only is in my mind not better than nothing when you can 
just go to
a better hardware platform and get sources included.  Many of these
operating systems exist specifically because of released sources, and I
know I myself would not want to bother with a 'semi-O.S.' that
had part binaries and part sources.  It has been proven (and is 
discussed in another thread on DTR control) that you're never going to 
get everyone to agree on what features are required so that having 
full sources released is the only way to avoid this problem.


  I think this discussion is a bit moot as far as AGA hardware is
concerned.  It has been stated a few times that AGA is just
an interm graphics solution for the Amiga computer.  To document this
hardware would force them to forever keep backward compatability with
it, and there may be many design decisions to get this stuff
'out the door' that makes this idea very much a problem.  If someone wants
to run UNIX on their Amiga, they would definetely not chose an AGA
machine to do it.

  I wish the idea of 'Amiga hardware documentation' and 'AGA hardware 
documentation' were separated.  I don't think I've heard anyone from
CBM state that they will no longer release hardware reference manuals,
just that they will not release AGA documentation.

>I think the same thing from time to time, but a good session of Xview
>programming will cure me quickly... and NFS locking problems, and SunOS
>distributed with /etc/passwd and some other files world-writable, and...

  And a single crash because of the lack of memory protection and the
single-context nature of the Amiga nullifies any and all of the complaints
I have of these other operating systems.  I come home almost every second
day to find that my news software has managed to toast my computer and
cause a complete re-boot.  Under an O.S. with memory protection I would
not only be able to more easily debug the software, this single buggy
program would not bring the entire computer down.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen)
Subject: Re: New hardware reference guide?
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:53:46 GMT

oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.130752.18379@imada.ou.dk> breese@monet.imada.ou.dk (Bjoern Reese) writes:
>[...]
>>doesn't release a new Hardware Ref Guide, featuring the AGA
>>chips. As the AGA chips are made available in low-price
>>machines, and hence available to new upcomming coders, there
>>will a massive interest in how to program the chips, and
>>with or without a Guide, they will try. So I say, it is better
>>to release a new Guide, in order to set guidelines and to
>>prevent fatal errors.
>
>This is the whole point. C= won't release the Hardware information, because
>that would mean saying that it's OK to directly access hardware, when it's

This goes for nearly everybody in xxx.amiga.programmers: I simply can't
understand why C= will not support the amiga-purchasers with the information
needed to control their machine in any way they want! Seems like the old
Russia to me, keeping information away from the public... I expect that soon
the demoscene will switch to other brands like PC (with DOCUMENTED VGA...), 
ATARI FALCON, and this goes for me; ARCHIMEDES... But some of us will also
keep the amiga and write demos.

>not. They don't, on the other hand, mind if some coder works out the
>addresses from graphics.library, even if he gets them wrong, as everyone, who

Great! I'm looking forward to the hardware reference guide which will
eventually be released by some guy(s)

>really wants to have his programs work correctly, doesn't use this info.
>Democoders can use it all they want, it's not a big deal if demos crash
>on new computers, they've been crashing left and right since the start.

In the start they didn't crash (only one config, remember?)... And btw:
WE DON'T CARE if our demos crash on your A50000000 with 13478345 megs of
fastram and megavideocard or trash your laserprinter! You know why? We write
them to ENJOY OURSELVES! _NOT_ to entertain rich bastards like those.

>--
>Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
>All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
                                                                            ^^^
FUN := DEMOS , *NOT* := OS-friendly spreadsheets

SLAMMER / ANARCHY
Carsten Soerensen
u920659@daimi.aau.dk

The opinions herein are mine. And flame me if you want
From: Dan_E_Babcock@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: sprites in 3.0?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:16:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Have you tried JRComm? That's an example of very
simple sprites use (for the cursor). If even that doesn't work than
-nothing- will work.

Dan
From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: physical memory protection with MMU
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:37:03 PST
Organization: BBS

> The real problem with memory protection on the Amiga is that it is
> possible for one task to share its memory with another without
> explicitly telling the OS that the shared memory is in fact shared.
> This is a big nono under a protected OS.  However, it is an
> exaggeration to say that 99.9% of Amiga programs do this.
 
Almost every program shares memory -- any time you do IO at either
the dos or exec level, any time you listen to IDCMP events, or look
at any system list, you're sharing memory between tasks.
 
But of course, we ALWAYS remember to use MEMF_PUBLIC in those cases,
right?
From: scott@mcode.amdahl.com (Scott Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Amiga UNIX compatibility
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:52:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation - Macrocode Development

I am thinking about getting Amiga UNIX and am interested in
how compatible it's programming interfaces are with other 
UNIX platforms, SUN, for example.  I am interested in both
the UNIX and X interfaces.  Please EMAIL.  Thanks.

Scott
From: WPK@cup.portal.com (WPK - micromedia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: A Style Guide Question
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:03:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <37104@cbmvax.commodore.com>

>This is not a good idea.  First of all, Amiga-C is the _standard_ key
>equivalent for "copy to clipboard"...
>
>Peter Cherna, User Interface Development Group, Commodore-Amiga, Inc.

Agree. Too bad it is what the standard ASL requesters' "Control"
menus use:
	Last [thing]        L -- no need; Up key is better
	Next [thing]        N -- no need; Down key is better
	Restore             R
	Properties List...  ?
	Parent              P
	Volumes             V -- not good; V is standard for "paste"
	Delete/Rescan Disk  D -- not good; destructive command
	                         (delete) and "rescan disk" share the
	                         same key
	OK                  O
*	Cancel              C -- not good; C is standard for "copy"

I hope ASL will get revised.
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From: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Subject: Re: UUCP & fido frontends
Reply-To: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:03:26 GMT


In a previous article, kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) says:
>As it is now, I can only supply them with that if they call me voice prior
>to any uucp session and I don't like that.
>
>So, my question is:  how do I set up TrapDoor and getty for exactly that
>purpose?
>
>I would like to have GPFax and Star-Net running, too, though Star-Net
>crashes if GPFax is up running, but that's another issue.
>
>Please help.  Thanks in advance.

  Please get ahold of me to talk about Welmat .  Welmat is a fidonet front
end that was designed with multi-network as a primary concern, and handles
UUCP transfers as well as (And actually until recent versions, better than)
it's fidonet transfers.  One can program it to handle Fidonet, UUCP,
multiple BBS's, Fax, Caller-ID and even VoiceMail, all on the same line
if you so desire.

  I am very close to having a mailing list set up for Welmat users from
the local university.  There is currently a conference on the 'Fidonet'
backbone called WELMAT for support, but due to the number of non-fidonet
people who are interested in Welmat, I have decided to make more support
available on the Internet.

>  Compos Mentis Software Systems       E-mail:  kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:49:10 EST
From: <FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: NULL Modem - IBM <> Amiga
 <1992Nov17.055908.1535@sol.cs.wmich.edu>

In article <1992Nov17.055908.1535@sol.cs.wmich.edu>, 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
(Martin Black) says:
>
>John_Mark_Newton@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>I am very interested in a null-modem cable from Amiga to PC. Please post
>>anything you learn. I would hate to blow up my boss's PC!
>
>This one is simple.  Take your serial cable and get a null-modem adapter
>and hook up amiga's serial port to the pc's serial port.  Then you can use
>any comm program, but it would be best if you used twin express.  It comes
>with an ms-dos and amiga program to run a sort of shell between the two
>whereas you can copy to and fro.  And at an amazing speed of 156k baud.
>But if you had to amigas, even a500's you can do 190k baud.  Which is about
>19kb a sec.
>
>Martin
>

How many adapters, and to which end does it attach to Amiga or IBM?
And, db 9 or 25?
From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.5 Suggestions
Date: 22 Nov 1992 14:25:22 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanne.uni-paderborn.de

In article <BxyAtL.C0p@sdf.lonestar.org>, peter@sdf.lonestar.org (Hoang Tran) writes:
|> Ability to choose what the foreground and background colors of the compact
|> status can be.  Shrink the transfer window down.  And most importantly, reduce
|> its memory use.

How shell that be done ? It's possible with removing some features. And I think
RAM is cheap enough.

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: hibrown@sarah.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject: Re: GPFax class 2 generic
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:10:33 GMT

In article <gregp.03ph@gpsoft.adsp.sub.org> gregp@gpsoft.adsp.sub.org (Dr Greg Perry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.184938.5058@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@vidar.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
>> Is the class 2 generic GPFax software available through mail-order?
>> This is the version that presumably will work with ZyXEL modems.
>> 
>> If so, from whom? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Herb
>
>
>'generic' version of GPFax is available through Supra in US.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
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Either you or SUPRA does not have its act together. Supra has never heard
of a generic version. At least that is what they claim when you call, so
if you think they should be selling the Class 2 generic version of your
software, then I strongly suggest you contact them and straighten out
the misunderstanding.

Thanks for the response.

Herb


-- 
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Computer Assisted Instruction in Mathematics       hibrown@csc.albany.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: cadpoole@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Dale Poole)
Subject: Re: Possibility of a comp.sys.amiga.bbs?
Keywords: amiga bbs modem
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:17:24 GMT

In article <16NOV199213252394@oregon.uoregon.edu> sworkman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Michael Sean Workman) writes:
>I'm not sure about the majority of the people that read this newsgroup, but
>I would very much enjoy the addition of a comp.sys.amiga.bbs newsgroup. 
>I'm not very knowledgeable about HOW these groups get started, but if
>someone out there is (or knows someone else who is) please ask them if it's
>feasible to start one.  With all the great BBS packages out there, there's
>getting to be enough talk about them to warrant a separate group.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   _
>_ //Sean Workman                   Running StarNet (for about one more week)
>\X/Sysop, AmigaX BBS 503/342-2144  Soon to be running Excelsior!
>                     503/342-8128  Multi-node chat, many games, newest files

I second this sentiment.  I'm tired of wading through all of the *other* 
*.bbs groups, trying to glean information on what Amiga sysops are doing,
using
, or just plain playing with!

As long as we could keep the arguments over whether DLG is better than
Xenolink or CNet or whatever, I think such a news.group would be beneficial.

Of course, if such an argument broke out, we could all commit ourselves to
ignoring the redundant stiff-necks! };>

I too am ignorant about how to get the idea off the ground.  However, I have
noticed a FAQ on starting a new newsgroup or some such, in news.answers, so
the next time I see I'llhave to snag it and give it a read.

Sean, if you see this, I've saved your address, and if you like I can
forward
the FAQ to you when I find it.  The same for anyone else you is seriously
interested
in such a project.

Later, all!

cadpoole@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Dale Poole aka Daleus
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: GPFax for class 1 yet?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:42:31 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I will buy the awesome GPFax when a version for FAX class 1 appears.
So the question is: when?


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From: ekarlin@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Erik S Karlin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: UUCP on BBS
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:12:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <Scotty.4790@freemf.UUCP> Scotty@freemf.UUCP (Scotty) writes:
>In a message dated Wed 11 Nov 92  2:22, Andy@birdland.uucp (andy Patrizio)
>wrote:
>
> AP> I know that CNet BBS supports UUCP and Usenet news, but what other
> AP> boards offer it?
>
>  Dialog Professional by TelePro Technologies does a great job of UUCP
>article and EMail handling.  In fact, I'm posting to you from my system
>right now(I'm even calling in from work!).  *(Scotty)*
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
>
>John (Scotty) Freeland  ---  scotty@freemf.eskimo.celestial.com


	About a year ago, someone posted a HUGE spec sheet all about
	DLG pro...I am now in the position to get this BBS program.
	I am currently running on the demo version of TrinityBBS, but
	I wish to get into UUCP, and the local c-net bbs's and excelsior
	bbs don't impress me all that much.

	What I'd like to find out is how do I go about obtaining this
	program...I realize that it is a commercial program, what is the
	purchase price?...US dollars please

	Are there any BBS's running DLG within the NY tri-state area?
	I'd like to check it out as a user...Can someone send me your
	BBS number...I would also be willing to call pretty much anywhere
	in the US if need be.

	I see postings '-- Via DLG Pro v0.995' ALL THE TIME...and I'd like
	to finally check it out.

	Thank you,
	 Erik karlin
	 ekarlin@ic.sunysb.edu
From: gregp@gpsoft.adsp.sub.org (Dr Greg Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Best High Speed Modem Deal?
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:24:46 GMT
Organization: GP Software, Australia
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov18.123721.15718@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@sarah.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
> 
> We are told that the Class 2 generic version works with the ZyXEL, but 
> is there a mail-order house that sells it? I called every one listed in
> the December issue of Amiga World and struck out each time. Most are
> even unaware that there are three versions of GPFax software. Something
> is rotten in GPFax-land!!!
> 
> Herb
> 
> 
> -- 
> Herb Brown  Math Dept  The Univ at Albany  Albany, NY 12222  (518) 442-4640


Herb,

If you have a problem obtaining GPFax, just order it direct from us!

We have no actual control over what US dealers do, unfortunately!


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