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From: ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:56:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Actually there are three seperate mainframes in the 1701D.
Two are located in the main sauser section and one in the
engineering section.
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From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Collisions Revisited...  
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Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:48:00 GMT


Thanks for all who applied, but I my second question may have
been incorrectly worded...

  The chasing ship was at *warp* speed and the torpedoes impacted
  the bow... even if the technology to withstand a photorp was
  adapted to the chasing ship, should the extra energy from just
  moving soo fast damage it?

  Of, course, if the TOS/TMS can fight at warp speeds it negates
  my question, but things have radically changed in TNG :)

BTW, I meant thanks for all who replied :)  It's been a long day.
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Collisions!
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:07:30 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>|>   A) What happens when two equivalent size ships collide with
>|>      shields up at sub-light?  Head-on?  Off-angle?  Chasing?
>
>   It would be similar to the reaction of two magnets interacting at 
>their common poles - they would sort of bounce off. Damage would 
>correspond to the force of the collision.

Unless the mass of the ships was greater than the shields capacity
to deflect, in which case there would be actual ship to ship contact.
I don't think that the shields on the Enterprise would protect 
against another galaxy class starship for example, but I really don't
know the specific mass/force and shield capacity.

>|>   B) Oh I guess I had a second one :) Shouldn't a object 
>|>      i.e. photorp dropped backwards destroy a chasing ship that
>|>      is at warp speed when the object hits?  We remembered the
>|>      one with the Borg and it still bothers us why the Borg
>|>      didn't even feel it.
>
>    If they were chasing with no shields then they would be vaporized.
>With shields it wouldn't cause any major damage.

As I see it, there is no difference between "dropping" a photon
torpedo in the path of an oncoming ship, or simply firing
a photon torpedo at a ship in front of the Big E.

All the usual factors (shields, hull strength, closeness of impact,
location of impact) would determine the effect of a photon torpedo.

Also - the Borg had already developed a defense against the photon
torpedos, so they (of course) had no effect.

What really bothers me is why the Enterprise didn't destroy the 
very first Borg ship they came in contact with, before it developed
a defense against the photon torpedos. They had inflicted "20%"
damage. They could have just continued firing and vaporized the
ship before it had a chance to fix itself.

william@cs.arizona.edu
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Collisions!
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:05:08 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1OCT199212565122@rosie.uh.edu>, cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
|> 
|> A friend of mine in Boston asked me this question for which I
|> have no sure answer:
|> 
|>   A) What happens when two equivalent size ships collide with
|>      shields up at sub-light?  Head-on?  Off-angle?  Chasing?

   It would be similar to the reaction of two magnets interacting at 
their common poles - they would sort of bounce off. Damage would 
correspond to the force of the collision.

|> 
|>   B) Oh I guess I had a second one :) Shouldn't a object 
|>      i.e. photorp dropped backwards destroy a chasing ship that
|>      is at warp speed when the object hits?  We remembered the
|>      one with the Borg and it still bothers us why the Borg
|>      didn't even feel it.

    If they were chasing with no shields then they would be vaporized.
With shields it wouldn't cause any major damage.

-- Tim
From: Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Unanswered STNG question
Date: 22 Sep 92 17:02:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.717783956.F00022

"Yannb, talking to All, said about 'Unanswered STNG questions' ":
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> I have some simple questions, which probably have hard answers:

>  1: Who cleans the ship?
>  2: Why don't we ever see the bathrooms? Do they have
>bathrooms?  Maybe they all take high-tech constipation pills, pills that
>last a lifetime.  Do they just go to the holodecks and say, "Computer,
>toilet!", and a toilet appears?  Or showers?  Man, they must really stink.
>(Worf!! Pweoooweee!)  If there are bathrooms, then where does all the
>waste go to?  Powers the ship?

    Good questions.  Obviously not something Gene cared about. It wasn't
even made clear in the old episodes. On a similar note, where do they
wash their clothes? Do they actually use washing machines, or some sort
of matter/anti-matter device? I imagine they just incinerate them and
have the replicator make new clothes. Hmm.
    Using the toilet has never been something any show has tried to
explain.  Who cares?  But it is a point that you never see them getting
out of the shower, etc.
    Other questions to ponder: Do they get paid for being in Star Fleet?
Or does SF just pay for everything when they're on shore leave? What
ever happened to Einstein's theories? They travel light years away, and
when they go back to Earth, hundreds of years haven't passed. So many
questions...

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From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Romulan Plasma weapons
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:51:53 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	Well I mean they seem to have fixed the problem with cloaking
	devices and their tendancy to degrade sensor performance. I
	would think with improved technology that they could have one
	ship run about using disrupters and the other running about
	using its plasma bolts.  As I remember from TOS, the bird of
	prey would decloak, fire and then recloak fairly quickly.  Not
	much of a power drain really.


	Ryan M. Gill
	labrg@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:00:45 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <BvGADB.GFp@cup.hp.com>, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
|> Robert Swindley (swindley@elec.uq.oz.au) wrote:
|> >
|> > I don't know if this is a FAQ, but is it possible
|> > to eat something that appears on the holodeck?
|> > and if it is, do you feel the sensation of taste,
|> > and being full after a meal?
 
   Absolutely. The replicators in the holodeck would make the
food edible just like normally replicated food.


|> However, when it comes to animated portions of the holodeck, whether
|> it be people, animals, or plants, we know that the replicator can
|> not create these items (within "Data's Day" we see that replicated
|> material isn't the same as the original material leading one to
|> believe that the replicator isn't able to accurately reproduce material
|> at all levels below the molecular).  But the "people" are fairly solid.
|> This implies that something is there and that it is being animated
|> by the computer (perhaps  it is being moved by constantly being refreshed
|> via the transporter/replicator field much as television pictures move
|> when the pixels are refreshed).


   The tech manual says that people with whom interaction is going to
take place are replicated, solid bodies controlled by the tractor beams
which line the walls of the holodeck. Someone very insightfully called
holodeck people "meat puppets." That just about says it all!

-- Tim
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From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Romulan Plasma weapons
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:51:00 GMT

In article <1096@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes...
> 
>	Well I mean they seem to have fixed the problem with cloaking
>	devices and their tendancy to degrade sensor performance. I
>	would think with improved technology that they could have one
>	ship run about using disrupters and the other running about
>	using its plasma bolts.  As I remember from TOS, the bird of
>	prey would decloak, fire and then recloak fairly quickly.  Not
>	much of a power drain really.
> 
> 
>	Ryan M. Gill
>	labrg@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu

I have to disagree here :)
The Romulan Bird of Prey's Plasma torpedo used *alot* of power.
(Partially the reason why I think they de-cloaked.)  Seems like
the cloaks manage to eat up roughly the same amount of power
normally used to power weapons... Hmm, dramatic license?  Naah.

But if the BOP could decloak, fire and recloak faster than you
can get a sensor fix, well then, ST6.

Gee, imagine if that wasn't Chang, but a great descendant of the
Romulan Commander in BalOfTer using *gulp* plasma bolts instead
of torpedoes...

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From: petitc@rs6421.ecs.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.221434.24469@sol.UVic.CA>, uhissen@engr.UVic.CA (Ulrich  Hissen) writes:
|>  In the manual to the old series, the engineering hull is refered to as the secondary hull to distinguish it from the primary hull where all the life support equipment was.

  Hmmmm...I always thought the secondary hull was a 'outer layer' and a
literal second hull, to absorb shocks and prevent them from affecting the
crew.  So, it sorta looks like this:

Crew Lives Here    |  (Hull)   |  (Secondary Hull)       Space


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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: photorps are useless!!!!!
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:35:21 GMT

In article <cZ8VRB1w164w@uuisis.isis.org>, jp_torun@uuisis.isis.org (jp torunski) writes:
|> why not use the transporters to simply "beam away" any photon torpedoes? or 
|> plasma rays/asteroids etc..

   The torps are traveling too fast to use the trasnporter.

|> 
|> also, when attacking the Borg, why not just beam way large parts of the 
|> ship, and re-materialize them inside a planet (overide safety factors), or  
|> spread the matter all over the place?

   You can't transport through your OWN shields let alone yours AND the
BORGS!

-- Tim
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Photon Torpedos
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:05:08 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu


So how fast are photon torpedos, anyway?  How fast is the transporter?
In Time's Arrow II, the sequence of events was this:

Photon Torpedos fired at target on planet.
Pause
Sensors detect Picard at target.
Pause
Transporter engages, beams Picard aboard.
Target is destroyed by photon torpedos.

Does the Transporter operate at the speed of light (the transfer, not the de/re
materializations)?  At some 'warp' speed?  What about the torpedos?  If the
torpedos do not travel at 'warp' speed, couldn't any ship with warp capability
easily outrun them?  What about sensors?  How long does it take for them to
'bounce' and provide info, assuming they operate in some radar-like fashion.

If it took a matter of seconds for the torpedos to reach the surface from
orbit, they must be going slower than the speed of light.

Confused,
---Sean Erwin
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From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Thomas L. Burleigh)
Subject: Re: The Bathrooms in the Enterprise (Re: Unanswered S
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:33:02 GMT


 Well, I never gave this matter much thought before (ok, I gave it *no*
thought, but anyway..), but giving it some thought I think that the
replicators produce food in such a way that the body does not process any
waste from it.  Any fellow servicemen out there know of a modern-day
example of such food - the Meal Ready to Eat (MRE).  When those are a part
of my diet, I don't need to go to the bathroom for days at a time! :)

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Subject: Re: Unanswered STNG question
From: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan)
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:32:45 PST
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 "Yannb, talking to All, said about 'Unanswered STNG questions' ":

: >toilet!", and a toilet appears?  Or showers?  Man, they must really stink.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
Dident we see a shower in ST:TMP after VGER transported the droid Ilia
in to one of the sonic showers. this is in a bathroom don't rember seeing 
a toilet! tho
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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Infantry Vehicals in ST?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:06:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <goudswaa.717825785@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:
)From FJ's SF Tech Manual, they list a "Justice Division" under Starfleet
)Command, and a "Security Division", which assumes that one or both have
)an internal security department.  There is also an Inspector General,
)doesn't that position indicate some sort of internal Starfleet security?
Well, in today's military organizations, the IG is feared but definitely NOT
an Internal Security division. Basically, the IG pulls planned and surprise
inspections on units to evaluate their readiness. I think they had an episode
in the first or second season where the Enterprise senior staff were grilled
by some weenie Cmdr. The same commander who was the host for the mother 
creature of the "bluegill" parasites in "Conspiracy". Oh well.
)
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From: carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett)
Subject: Two things one never hears...
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:59:15 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Picard:    Computer!  Location of Commander Riker?
Computer:  Commander Riker is in Counsellor Troi's quarters.

or even...

Riker:     Computer!  What is the location of Captain Picard?
Computer:  Captain Picard is currently located in the men's room 
	   of ten-forward.

Carter R. Bennett, Jr. - Scientist | "Oh my God!  I _AM_ a nerd!!!"
carter@scilab.lonestar.org - home  | - C. Bennett, Sept 25, 1992, after
carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org - work  | realizing he had been talking about
KI5SR          | market availability of "preconfigured" Toll-House cookies.
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: warp speeds
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:42:18 GMT

> Have we forgotten that in an episode ( The Traveler,  I think ) in which
> the Enterprise went faster then Warp factor 10 and ended up in another
> galaxy?

We have not forgotten, but you have become mistaken. Their instruments were
screwed because their sensors were probably not designed to determine their
own velocity when moving beyond a certain speed. They were probably going
like 9.9999999999 or so, but since 10 is infinite speed and occupies all
places in the universe at once the how could you go faster than that!

Unless you want to arrive before you left.

Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 16:35:57 -0400 
From: "Richard K. Shehady" <rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck


>I don't know if this is a FAQ, but is it possible
>to eat something that appears on the holodeck?
>and if it is, do you feel the sensation of taste,
>and being full after a meal?
>
> Just wondering,
>                   Chengster

From what I understand about holodecks, it is able
to physically create matter out of energy. (e= mc^2).
I also heard that the holodeck generally does this only 
for small objects that the viewer is likely to touch,
since it does require a fairly large amount of energy
to create matter. (I don't know how much this is
compared to what the holodeck can muster.)

Thus, if they ate of the holodeck, they would actually
eat.  They could taste, get  full, etc.

This is the same principle as the food dispensors.

-Rick
rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Romulan Plasma weapons
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Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:08:00 GMT

In article <1094@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes...
> 
>	What ever happened to the Roumlan Plasma weapons of old. They
>	seemed like a rather effective weapon, why did they stop using
>	them?  
> 
> 

The romulan plasma bolt is still sort of in use by novelists
although I can't recall a very recent one off the top of my
head.
As to your question, I haven't the foggiest idea why it isn't
used in TNG.  I know I *wouldn't* hesitate to nuke every
steenkin Federaalie and Klingy ship in the galaxy with one of
those warp fireballs.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <03OCT92.23255475.0097@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>People on rec.arts.startrek.tech, coincidently, were recently asking
>if the transportee is actually dead after he's been taken apart and
>before he's been put back together.  Apparently not.  The theory that
>came up to explain why this wouldn't be the case is that the process
>of reconstructing you normally begins *before* you are completely
>decomposed so that more and more of you is on the planet surface (or
>whereever) and that, normally, you are never completely decomposed
>during transit.

According to the tech manual and Realm of Fear, this ain't so.
You are fed into the pattern buffer, and once completely in, you
are rematerialized. The episode with the Pakleds shows, I think,
Geordi beaming from the Pakled ship to the bridge and we see him
beaming out on the viewscreen even as he beams in, but this can
be written of as a communications lag. :)

>Of course, this doesn't explain how come Barclay appeared solid during
>"stasis".

From his point of view, the world beams out and a new one beams
back in. Makes sense to me. He's intact during stasis from his
point of view.

Joshua
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:10:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

"Richard K. Shehady" <rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>From what I understand about holodecks, it is able
>to physically create matter out of energy. (e= mc^2).

Canonically this was established in at least two early TNG episodes,
but I think that Sternbach and Okuda have rethought their ideas of
transporters and holodecks since then, realizing the massive amount of
energy which would be required to produce, say, the mass of an apple.
And at the rate Troi snarfs chocolate, you'd see why the Enterprise
gets lousy mileage. :-)

Their Technical Manual gives a more treknobabblish explanation
involving not producing the matter from energy, but simply ripping it
apart at fine resolutions and putting it back together again in a
different configuration.  This avoids the energy quantity problem, but
isn't as scientifically satisfying, IMHO.
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From: mhampsch@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:30:38 GMT
Subject: Re: The Bathrooms in the Enterprise (Re: Unanswered S
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
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What about in the Naked Now there were showers so why not a the rest of a
restroom.

Mark
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From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Infantry Vehicals in ST?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:06:55 GMT

In article <chan.0clt@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> chan@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Chan) writes:
>Does Star Fleet have some kind of intellegence division
>like the CIA or the FBi or even Interpol. 

In the TNG episode where Spock was on Romulus, Starfleet had photos of him
on the planet.  So, there must be something like a CIA.

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