HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:23:02 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski) writes:

>I object against your trying to judge entire nations by actions of certain
>individuals. Yes, Germans did find collaborators among many other European
>nations. Those who did collaborate are guilty, but not those who did not
>collaborate.

Just like the Nazis found collaborators among the Germans, right?
fred
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Re: Violence update 11.09.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:04:59 GMT

jbronstad@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>debora --
>are you bragging or apologizing about your arrest and probation sentence? In article <5RW6C8S@math.fu-berlin.de>, weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff) writes:
>>
>>6 youths were sentenced in Rostock yesterday for the riots
>>two weeks ago, an extremely short time-span for the German
>>justice system. One youth was sentenced to 9 months in jail, 1
                                                               ^
>>was sentenced to a year on probation, and four were sentenced to

1 = one = succ(0)
I = first person singular 

You see? :-)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schieber@jetson.uh.edu (Schieber, Jay D.)
Subject: Re: Radikalismus? Nein, D
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.135143.20640@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de>, petsch@sylt.informatik.uni-kl.de (Petsch Wolfram - PA Meybrink) writes...
>In article <2578.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>>BM>>Sie vergleichen das Ku Klux Klan mit den Black Panthers?  Was genau
>>BM>>haben die Black Panthers gemacht, das gar zum vergleichen ist?

Ich habe diese Frage hier gestellt, um herauszufinden, was die Black
Panthers gemacht haben. So weit wie ich weiss, hat keiner die 
beantwortet.

Guck mal unten was geschrieben wird:


>>BM>Der Ku Klux Klan ist Gewalt von Konservativen, von besizenden Buergern (syst
>>BM>terstuetzende Gewalt)
>>BM>daher "rechts"
>>
>>BM>Die Black Panthers sind Gewalt gegen die herrschende Ordnung.
>>BM>daher "links" (gegen den Staat)

Kein einziges Beispiel von den Black Panthers.

>>
>>Wieviele Weisse haben die Black Panthers denn gelyncht? Die Zahl wuerde
>>mich vor allem im Vergleich mit den Toten durch den KKK interessieren.

Ja, mich auch.  es gab ein paar die ins Gefaengnis geworfen wurden, aber
erscheinlich hat die FBI den die Sache angehaengt.


>Kommt ganz darauf an wo. In den USA gibt es bestimmt mehr Opfer durch den 
>KKK. In anderen Laendern sieht die Sache auch anders aus.
>Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere (kann da mal jemand nachschauen?)
>wurde einige Jahre vor der Wiedervereinigung die Zahl der linken
>Gewalttaten mit 1500, die der rechten mit cirka 50 angegeben. Heute
>ist das Verhaeltniss genau andersherum.
>>
>>Weiterhin wuerde mich die Zahl der Todesopfer durch linken Terrorismus
>>im Vergleich zu den Opfern durch rechten Terrorismus interssieren.
>>Oder liegt der Unterschied nur in dem Scheckbuch der Opfer der beiden
>>Gruppen?
> 
>Schliesst du den Staatsterrorismus ein? 
>Mich wuerden da die Zahlen aus dem ehemaligen Ostblock interessieren.
>Ich glaube der KGB hat etwa 4 Millionen Tote zugegeben. Ich habe von
>Schaetzungen im Bereich von 40 bis 50 Millionen gehoert. Kann dazu
>einer genaueres und Quellen angeben?
> 
> 
> 
>Wolfram Petsch
>-- 
>petsch@sylt.informatik.uni-kl.de (Wolfram Petsch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Octoberfest information request
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.134122.27292@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rcl3r@helga2.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert C. Lewis) writes:
>
>If you have ever been to an Octoberfest, or just look like you have,
>please tell me about it so I can attempt to duplicate the experience
>here.
>

Well, the first thing you'll need to do is invite a lot of drunken American
soldiers and have them puke on the ground all over the place.

Sorry, I couldn't resist, but it's one of the things I remember from the time
I was at Oktoberfest in Munich.  :-)

Wayne

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.roots
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Violence update 11.09.92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:37:39 GMT

I have a lot of friends in the Dusseldorf area and I was wondering
if there has been any violence there.  I'm assuming not since I
haven't heard anything here but does anyone know otherwise?
						Peder
From: Christic Institute <christic@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:51 PDT
Subject: Re: umlaut
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep10.222944.15668@elroy.jpl:691043803:cdp:1473000040:000:283
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!christic    Sep 12 11:51:00 1992


DOS, of course, supports all of the umlaut letters, plus Scandinavian,
French, Spanish and Italian character sets.  But these are so-called
"extended ascii" characters that require the eighth bit.  So on
seven-bit networks the special characters are transformed into 
garbage.

Andy
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Strafverfolgung (war:
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

MS>In <1992Sep8.154432.24494@nntp.nta.no> schreibt Stoer Mechthild FNT:

MS>>> Ulf Andrick schreibt in <1992Sep4.211452.8070@rhrk.uni-kl.de>:
MS>>>
MS>>> |> Die Rechtsstaatlichkeit gebietet, dasz niemand ohne Urteil ins
MS>>> |> Gefaengnis gesteckt wird. Dasz jemand freigelassen wird, schlieszt
MS>>> |> doch nicht aus, dasz er spaeter zu einer Freiheitsstrafe verurteilt
MS>>> |> wird und sitzen musz.
MS>>> |>
MS>>> |> Nur bei Flucht- oder Verdunkelungsgefahr darf ein Verdaechtiger
MS>>> |> in Haft gehalten werden; ...
MS>> ...
MS>> wenn aber diese Leute Abend fuer Abend auf Randale sind,
MS>> sollte man sie trotzdem sofort festnehmen und vor Gericht stellen koennen.

MS>Selbstverstaendlich. Die kommentierte Nachricht von Ulf Andrick ist inso-
MS>weit auch unzutreffend. Gemaess . 112 Abs.1 StPO darf "die Untersuchungs-
MS>haft gegen den Beschuldigten angeordnet werden, wenn er der Tat dringend
MS>verdaechtig ist und ein Haftgrund besteht". Wohlgemerkt: Eines Urteils
MS>bedarf es dazu nicht, sondern nur eines richterlichen Haftbefehls (. 114
MS>StPO).

MS>Es ist auch nicht richtig, dass als Haftgruende allein Flucht- und Ver-dunke
MS>sgefahr in Betracht kommen. Wiederholungsgefahr tut's auch.

Bloss, warum tut's dann keiner bei den Rechtsradikalen? Das passiert
immer nur bei linksgerichteten Demonstrationen.

VERDAMMT NOCH MAL, WARUM WIRD DAS VOLLE RECHTSSTAATSINSTRUMENTARIUM
NIEMALS IN VOLLER HAERTE GEGEN DIE NEONAZIS ANGEWENDET???

WOZU IST DER VERFASSUNGSSCHUTZ DA???

leicht rauchend, Carl.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Re: End of summer time?
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:09:56 GMT

In <sefBoFD0BwwtF1mUoa@transarc.com> Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes:

>When does the local time change from summer time to standard time in Germany?

>		Thanks,
>		Craig

last weekend in September, each year.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: bal@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Margaret Balazs)
Subject: Re: Shopping Hours, etc.
Reply-To: bal@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Margaret Balazs)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:02:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173058.19065@aosg.gsf.dec.com>, montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg) writes:
|> In article <92246.002819U09416@uicvm.uic.edu>, Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> |> 
|> |> For example, someone mentioned that German cars are better made than American
|> |> cars, and they are also more expensive. Aside from differences in "work ethic",
|> |> I can think of other reasons why American cars are of relatively poor quality.
|> |> Commuting in most of the US involves large distances and non-existent public
|> |> transportation. Therefore, a car is a neccesity, rather than a convenience. And
|> |> that makes affordability a more important factor than workmanship.
|> 
|> This is a nonsensical argument.  If an item is a necessity, then quality is
|> of paramount importance.  A heart is a necessity.  If you needed an artificial
|> one, would you get an expensive SIG/Sauer Blutmeister or an inexpensive
|> Jarvic-12 econopump?  Seriously, the greater one relies on a particular device,
|> the higher the quality one should try to secure, yes?
|> 

Nope,

I agree with the first writer.  I am only 24 years old and I can remember
clearly when I got my driver's license at 17.  My father bought me an old
1976 Pontiac Ventura beast and I LOVED that car!!  Why you ask?  Because it
meant my personal freedom.  We had no public transportation of which to speak
where I grew up.  I would have killed for any type of car so that I could get
around.  You should have seen the cars that my friends drove around in.  They
were rusted; their breaks were almost shot; they had to be repaired frequently.
Thankfully, I have moved up one or two income brackets so that I can afford
a nicer, more reliable car.  However, a number of my friends haven't so they
still drive garbage cars.  They need to get to work and can't afford
any better.  Another consideration is car insurance which is very expensive
in my state.  I couldn't afford the insurance on a BMW or the repair costs
for that matter.  I can see people buying less than optimum cars for that
reason too.  The bottom line is that people buy the best that's available
in their price range.

Just my $.02

Margaret
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Suedschweden
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

CK>>Als Norddeutscher fuehle ich mich hier im Sueden fremd, und fuehle
CK>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CK>>                       Hans Crauel     crauel@math.uni-sb.de
CK>>                       Saarbruecken
CK>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^

CK>Das kann aber auch nur ein Norddeutscher sagen :-) Fuer die Schwaben
CK>beginnt doch noerdlich vom Main schon Suedschweden :-)

Nicht? Hmmm, vielleicht muss ich doch noch mal in den Atlas gucken :-)

CK>--Cornelius (ein Frankfurter in Tuebingen).

Carl, ein Baerliner ganz woanders.
CK>/* "People are DNA's way of making more DNA." (anonymous)                  *

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Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 14:34:26 TUR
From: <C44590@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe
Subject: HITLER is back?

hi folks,i am sure most of the people reading these groups,are also informed
about exceeding-right movements that have been recently occuring in Germany.
what matters in such anti-foreginer enterperises is that such so-called
neo Nazigroups seem to being backed by the populace already present in the
place (things like applauding the invaders or a kind of co-operationwith
the racist slogans etc.).
i wonder,specially in Germany what the young think about these actions?do they
agree to that or not and why?who the young think may be organisingthese assaul
ts?
i'll be so glad if i can receive any answer,either by e-mail to me or on the
net.

with my highest regards.
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From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish,soc.history
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Date: 14 Sep 1992 07:56:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

Fred Rump from home writes:


>Why stop there? Go back to Henry the Lion, who, as vassal to Frederick
>Barbarossa, fell out with him when he refused to support the crudades to the
>Holy Land. Henry saw his primary mission in Christianizing the eastern hordes
>first. [...]

Your knowledge of history is remarkable, Mr. Hump. Now go back to your
encyclopedia and see what you can find out about King Mieszko I (Piast) who 
founded the Catholic kingdom of Poland in the year... when was it?... 936 a.d. ?

BTW, those Poles have proved themselves over and over again to be little
more than a barbarous horde. I mean, look at them now... can't even
agree on a decent economic policy.

jw



Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Subject: Temporary housing in D'dorf/Koeln needed: HELP!!!
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:02:35 GMT

I am going to be moving back to Germany after seven years of 
going to school in the US and I was wondering whether there is
anyone in the Duesseldorf/Koeln area who knows about housing
opportunities, specifically temporary housing until my wife, my
two cats and I can find a permanent appartment. We have already
started looking through a Makler, but what we really need for 
the beginning is info on short term furnished apartments.
Is there something in Germany now comparable these services in the 
US where you can stay (for pay) in an apartment vacant for a
couple of months due to vacation, relocation, etc. Even some phone
numbers from the Branchenbuch would already be helpful.
Cheers,

Thomas
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Where to get acurate old maps of Germany
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:08:54 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce) writes:


>Does anyone know of any agency or address the Federal Republick has
>for old maps of Germany? I'm primarily interested in some detailed
>maps of the east, near what was and is currently Poland.

You might try your names here. You'd be surprised the knowledge that sits here 
on the net.  Sometimes I'm awed.  Last night I posted to get the current name
of the town where my grandfather was born 120 years ago, then I told my wife 
and she pulled out a map I had forgotten about (those wives remember 
everything) and it turn out that Preussisch-Eylau is right on the Russian side 
of the border where they split East Prussia in half.


>It will sound like a common story, but records of where my grandfather
>(a Derrick) came from are sketchy. We have a very rough idea of where
>the town is, but aren't sure. I'm planning a trip to Germany next
>year and wouldn't mind visiting the area the family came from. Please
>excuse my sentimentality here. You probably hear this all the time here.

It's what this group is all about in the end, isn't it? Somehow the search for 
our past involves our parents, their parents etc and it has a lot to do with 
sentimentality. I wanted to just get some pictures from the town from where my
grandfather had told my mom stories of his youth. I don't even remember the 
man as I was just a twerp when he died.  But my mom - she talked about him
incessantly.  He must have been a great guy and somehow I'd like to connect 
with him.  Yes, lots of sentimentality here.

fred




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From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Annexation
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:23:07 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.german ]
[ Author was Carl Camurca ]
[ Posted on 8 Sep 92 19:46:00 GMT ]

FR>>First, West Germany's annexation of the German Democratic
FR>>Republic in 1990 ......

FR>  This is not true. There was no annexation at all.

Could you tell me then, what is left from the achievements (yes, there
where some) of the GDR society?
I don't mean the "Green Arrow".

FR>--
FR>       Friedrich Roesch

CU, Carl.

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From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:22:17 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from de.soc.politik,soc.culture.german ]
[ Author was Wolfgang Schelongowski ]
[ Posted on 9 Sep 92 13:26:18 GMT ]

In article <1992Sep05.141536.24499@tpki.toppoint.de> 
  olaf@tpki.toppoint.de (Olaf Schlueter) writes:

...
>Wie ueberhaupt die einzigen Fakten, die man in diesem
>Zusammenhang erfaehrt, die Zahl der im jeweils vergangenen
>Monat neu gestellten Asylantraege ist. ...

Aus der Westdeutschen Allgemeinen Zeitung (WAZ) 28.8.92 ueber
Treffen der Rechtsexperten der SPD/CDU/CSU/FDP:

... Die Rechtsexperten sehen nicht ein, warum in der Bundesrepublik
Deutschland im letzten Jahr 6000 abgelehnte Asylbewerber ausgewiesen
                       ^^^^^^^^^
wurden, im kleinen und liberalen Holland diese Zahl aber jeden 
Monat erreicht wird ...
^^^^^

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If I were expressing mbp's opinions, they'd probably make me wear a tie...
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Krawalle und Re: Editorial
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:53:19 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s4.ira.uka.de

Liebe Debora,

vielen Dank fuer Deine/Ihre guten "Postings", wenn auch der
Anlass leider mehr als traurig ist. Ich lese keine Tageszeitung
und in den Fernseh- bzw. Radionachrichten werden die "kleineren"
Ausschreitungen ja mittlerweile gar nicht mehr erwaehnt oder
sie gehen in anderen Schreckensmeldungen unter.

Auch das abgeschriebene Editorial war sehr gut. In der "Die Zeit"
vom 3. September (glaube ich...) war auch ein sehr guter Leit-
artikel zu diesem Thema.

Frage: Gibt es eine Zusammenfassung aller Violence updates?

****************************************************************
Ab hier an alle:

Was wirklich aergerlich ist, ist die Tatsache, dass sich im Laufe
der Krawalle fast alle bekannten Politiker und Parteien mit ihren
Aeusserungen disqualifiziert haben, so dass noch nicht einmal 
Besserung in Sicht ist. (OK, Parteien machen keine Aeusserungen,
aber jeder weiss, was gemeint ist. No Flames!) 

Und ebenso aergerlich finde ich, dass sogenannte "Antifaschistische Demonstrationen" i. allg. von der extremen Linken zur Verbreitung
ihrer Ziele und oft auch fuer Krawalle genutzt werden. Selbst wenn
mittlerweile ein gewisser Teil der Bevoelkerung den rechten Krawall-
machern Rueckendeckung gibt (tatsaechliche und ideologische, uebri-
gens eine beschaemende Vorstellung fuer mich), glaube ich, dass bei
einer garantiert friedlichen und weitgehend "unpolitischen" (d. h.
gegen rechts, aber nicht automatisch fuer links) Demonstration gegen
Auslaenderfeinlichkeit wesentlich mehr Leute mitmachen wuerden als
bei denen mit Beteiligung der extremen Linken.

Gegen Gewalt von rechts oder links!

Frage: Wer hat eigentlich letzte Woche das Heim in Quedlinburg
geschuetzt? Waren das "normale" Buerger oder linke Randalierer
oder beides oder wer auch immer?

Stefan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.kultur
From: tom@ethome.iupui.edu (Thomas Boehm)
Subject: Re: aus der Presselandschaft
Reply-To: tom@lightning.cadcam.iupui.edu
Organization: School of Engr and Tech, Purdue Univ at Indpls
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:58:56 GMT

In article <92Sep7.125940edt.47917@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede) writes:
> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
> 
> 
> >aus der Presselandschaft:
> 
> >Ich dachte immer, BILD sei sowas wie ein Sprachrohr der Wiedervereinigung.
> >Dagegen war Am Samstag auf der Titelseite das Ergebnis einer Umfrage zu 
> >lesen, nachdem 97 Prozent der "Wessis" sagen "kein Pfennig von mir in
> >den Osten". Ist denen die politische Linie abhanden gekommen?

Meinst Du damit die BILD oder die "Wessies"??

> 
> 
> Das klingt ja nun wirklich ziemlich krass.  Kannst Du die genaue Frage/
> Antwort mal uebermitteln?
> 
> Danke,
> m.

  Ich weiss nicht was fuer einen Ruf die BILD derzeit hat, (Ich kann mir nicht
  vorstellen dasz es in den letzten 5 Jahren viel besser geworden ist) aber fuer
  mich war diese Zeitung nicht unbedingt "vertrauenswuerdig". And that is putting
  it mildly !!

  Sie scheinen mehr Meinungsmacher als Reporter. IMHO

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.australian
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: German-Australian Dual Citizenship
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.024021.1913@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
|In article <1992Sep7.235338.689@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:


   ...

|>
|>From Australia's point of view, dual citizenship is not a problem.
|>So, in this case, it is really up to Germany whether the applicant
|>is allowed to keep the German citizenship after he is granted Aust.
|>citizenship.
|
|Yeah but if I want to take up Canadian citizenship I have to hand in my
|Australian passport.  Whats the rationale behind this double standard. 
|

I am not sure if Canada allows dual citizenship, but if that is the
case, you can still keep your Australian Citizenship and get back
(reapply?) your passport. Taking away your passport does not mean
that you lose your citizenship, it is just an official procedure 
initiated by, in this case, Canada to inform the Australian embassy 
Canada that one more Australian has been 'converted'. 

Why would you want to take up Canadian Citizenship? ;-)


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