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From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 13:15:57 GMT

In article <BvK8oL.M5A@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>I cannot recall any female Heinlein character imbued with sexuality
>that seemed any more two-dimensional than those in alt.sex.stories.

Does that mean you can recall male Heinlein characters with these
qualities?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Frozen Green Tomatoes (was Re: Northern Exposure
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.1461
Distribution: usa
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Sep30.150034.2334@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>I read the book by Fannie Flagg "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle
>Stop Cafe" and this weekend I finally got around to seeing the movie
>_Fried Green Tomatoes_, and in neither medium did I think for even
>one minute that Idgie and Ruth were anything other than good, platonic
>friends.
>
>Does anyone else feel this way?

I got the impression that Idgie and Ruth were as involved as the
time period allowed.  I think it was clear that Idgie was self-identified
as a lesbian as best as she could understand it.  Ruth even acknowledges
it when Idgie visits her for the first time after Ruth's marriage and 
Ruth asks "Do you have a boyfriend?"  The question was asked with an
accusing tone.  Ruth sounded concerned that her past friendship with
Idgie had overtones.  Idgie's answer was appropriately reluctant and
nebulous.  

On the other hand, Ruth saw a lot of quality in Idgie other than at a 
sexual level and was attracted to her for those reasons.  All in all, 
Idgie was a much better companion for Ruth than any of the men in 
the story and Ruth simply recognized that.

I certainly hope that Mary Stuart Masterson gets the recognition she
deserves for a stunning performance.  I am suddenly a big fan of hers
(although I've enjoyed her prior work too).

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:13:04 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>> Steve Dyer writes:
>> >Well, perhaps a pesce-vegetarian (pronounced "pesky vegetarian").
>> Personally, the biggest problem I have with my taste in food is
>> the odd ways OTHER people react.

>  You know, I always thought that bears were omnivorous. You know,
>fishing salmon out of streams, eating bugs and grubs, and chomping
>on tuna fish sandwiches that unwitting tourists leave in their
>picanic baskets. 

>  Turn in your card.

	Heh.... Hey George, he might have you there...
Of course I suppose we can possibly let GDM squeeze by on
the technicality of the definition of "pic-a-nic BaaasKET"
in the urban versus rural sense...  I'm sure that George
has pawed quite a few baskets in his time....  :-) and has
made quite a picanic of the contents...

	In terms of salmon fishing though, he probably doesn't
plan on winning any Ursine Olympic Mdeals...

BBC
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: fun!  more recipes!
Keywords: butch, spinach, garlic, virgin mary
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.213635.9651@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

[arnold is quoting another writer, though I'm sure his fecund mind could
come up with equally extravagant text]
+      The Virgin Mary, Mother of Christ was very fond of spinach.
. . .
+      Her recipe for preparing spinach spread with Christianity throughout
+ Europe.  On the eve of Christ's birth in the cave that was called a stable, 
+ Her only meal was spinach.  [why don't they tell us these things in
+ *our* bibles?]
. . .
+      This recipe cannot be made from canned spinach.  Canned spinach in
+ no way resembles fresh or frozen spinach and in my opinion is fit for
+ neither man nor beast.  [opinionated?  MOI?]

What I want to know is whether the Blessed Virgin used fresh or frozen.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hopsonth@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Subject: Re: Co-ed?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
	<girlies@kaa.gr.osf.org> <1992Sep30.014021.16432@spdcc.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.014021.16432@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>emcmanus@kaa.gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

> Ostensibly it's an undergrad - but in all honesty I can't think of 
>any time I've heard it used that it didn't refer to specifcally a womon
>student.  I suppose it harks back to the days when mixed campuses were
>sort of new, and in that respect you're right - the term has outlived it's
>use.  It was the first word that mjumped into my head.  I apologize
>for any harm done.

It's outlived its use...everywhere except Rose-Hulman, where we have 3
years to go before we actually ARE co-ed.  Rose-Hulman is still back
in the "dark-ages" of university education, and coeducation has been
quite an issue for the last 15 years or so.  The Board of Managers
vote was last year, and it was very close (maybe 1 or 2 votes to spare
out of 40 or 50).  Student and faculty support of coeducation was very
high (like 70-80%), but they're not the ones who make changes to the
charter.

At any rate, RHIT gets to join the real world in 1995...
--
Thomas H. Hopson              Internet: (work) mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
VMS Manager / CS geek                   (play) hopsonth@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Rose-Hulman Institute                   (NeXT) mgrthh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
   of Technology              BITNET:          mgrthh@rhit
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:33:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Sep27.143355.14862
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <96866@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>Let's put it this way...Paglia and the women who put out "On Our Backs"
>have similar philosophies.

That lesbians are weak?  Or that you should always sheath
your toys in latex?
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Xref: sparky soc.motss:41785 soc.bi:13384
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:36:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct5.023256.13200@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>It made me swear off screwing anyone with a tail,

Didn't want to get caudal in the act, I suppose.

>furry ears

And what's *wrong* with furry ears?  I think they're
very cute.

>and a first name with an apostrophe in it.

Who's to say?

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From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hospital Study Suggests Gays Are Very Unlikely To Be Molesters
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:51:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <PC.92Oct2195504@bacon.linus.mitre.org>, pc@linus.mitre.org
(Penny Chase) wrote:

[stuff deleted]

> The heterosexual men
> responded most to the prepubscent girls, and then to the prepubescent
> girls.                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^

Ahhhhhh...for some reason, I find this confusing. Could you clarify please?
(i.e., I assume one of the "girls" should really be "boys", but which one?
(And no wisecracks from the peanut gallery about sex changes,
thankyouverymuch! :-) )

> 	Penny

TDO
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.211243.28955@riacs.edu> David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu> writes:

>    Message-ID: <ld0q73INN8n2@spim.mti.sgi.com> 
>    From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) 
>
>    >>Beard are hot, shaved heads are hot, shaved bodies are hot, 
>    >>hairy bodies are hot.
>
>Men are hot.

Ooh, but they're *so* *CUTE*!

(Snuggles, Clay!)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: harris@morisot.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:18:50 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <10517@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Someone's already mentioned Vonda McIntyre, but may I put in a plug
>for "Barbary". A book with no lesbigay characters but all of the main
>characters are women and it's all about going on a mission to a space
>station. It's a kid's book and it's recommended reading for any young
>teen women who need need strong techno-positive fictional role models.

Yes!  This is certainly one of my favorite sci-fi teen novels.  There
weren't any open lesbigay characters, but a friend of mine interviewed
her for a book review, and quizzed her about which of her characters
whose orientations were ambiguous would she have developed as gay...

She mentioned some in _Barbary_, I recall...

>While I'm on kid's books, Diane Duane's "So You Want To Be A Wizard"
>is not lesbigay at all, but it is emphatically wonderful!

Not at all?  I lusted after Kit when I was little, I did.  Was I
envious of Nita...

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Information request about DC.
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:07:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In the Oct '92 issue of "The Guide", a free peridical
having info about clubs and gay travel, they
featured some of the clubs in the Washington DC area.
One club that caught my eye was "The Chesapeake House",
where apparently the dancers "take it _all_ off".
Assuming I get a chance to visit DC, I would like to
stop by there for a visit. Can anyone tell me about the
club and what to expect? Also, has anyone see Duane there?
(He is one of the performers.)

Please post or email your reply. Thank you.

-- 
Bill
will@wixer.cactus.org
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:31:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Sep27.143125.14770
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <SHAFER.92Sep26204030@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>But the hair fit in so well in the glassed-in garden at the Opryland
>Hotel, with the country-jazz harpist, in the red sequined suit and the
>pink baby spot, playing The Battle Hymn of the Republic to the adoring
>multitude as it waved its American flags in its left hands with its
>right hands over its hearts. 

Not to mention the laser show choreographed with the
fountain, or the piped-in frogs.  Sigh.  I *loved* the
Opryland Hotel (well, except for the rooms and the
service).  The harpist is Lloyd Lindroth.  I have an
autographed picture.

My hair didn't fit in there, of course.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:30:33 GMT


In article <1acuceINNhp8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon) writes:

>The men can all go around naked for all I care!  :-)

S'all right with me!

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: demuffining
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep30.005117.13929
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <lchnpgINNsr4@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>|> Fuck off.
>|> Fuck off.
>|> Yes.  Now, fuck off.
>Oh! If this is the way that I am going to be treated here, I guess I
>will never post again.  I see why people never post to motss if this is
>the treatment they get!!!!!

Gosh, I just thought Roger was being a little effusive in welcoming you
back with all that sweet talk and terms of endearment.

So, if you'll allow me, Jeff: fuck off and welcome back! :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:58:45 GMT

In article <1430@dosbears>, drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:
|> In article <wood.717166209@jfred> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
|> >
|> >I was curious as to how many people use terms of endearment with their SOs.
|> >Dean and I use them to such an extent with each other it is almost grating
|> >to hear him actually call me Ron, instead of the usual sobriquet that we use
|> >when we're together.

Watch your attributions, David!

Although I suppose that if David called Jim 'Ron', Jim _would_ find it
grating, and might call David 'Dean' in retaliation.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com

fodder

fodder

fodder

fodder
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Tears in Terre Haute (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:13:58 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Sep27.033643.13046@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano) writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.123321.6773@resonex.com>
>michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:

>[funny bits on GOP types deleted]

>>"Lovers are like... dentures.

>No, please stop.  You make me feel so left out, being as how
>I'm in Terre Haute,

Why, it *could* be worse -- you might be in Bedford, for
example (my stepmother lives in Bedford, IN).

>where the only sexual activity comes about if you own either
>a Harley or a Monster Truck,

Mmmm, Harleys.  One of my unfulfilled dreams, a motorcycle
(but not a Harley; something not too large but elegant in
the way of a BMW would suit me, I think.  It's one of those
things -- there are many -- I never get around to.)

>and I'm still below the drinking age, so I can't even _go
>into_ the town's one [gay] bar.

You could hang around outside at closing.  I'm told (I never
go) that our bar, one or two nights a week (Tuesday somes to
mind) switches to being a juice bar so younger people can
get in and socialize.

>As for the dentures, I've never had 'em (God, I hope I never
>need 'em).

Floss daily.

>My life, 'tis a wonder I'm still sane after all these years.

Heh heh.  Future challenges await you!

>Rob, who's sorry he hasn't been formally introduced to the
>group, but just couldn't keep quite any longer.  Oh, well,
>maybe some other time.

Not to worry.  It's a decidedly informal place.

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: adoptions (was, usenet.age)
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:58:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43313
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <joelp.717627615@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>
>Oooh, Mark, if you're looking for an adoption, I'd *love* to be a
>father.

Not if you keep bringing up the republican stuff, you're not.

>         We'd go for long bicycle rides, fly kites in the park

Did I mention to you that I took up stunt kite flying during the week
I spent at the south coast this year?  It really is too much fun.

>      (you could help me out; my eye-hand coordination is
>terrible)

Hey!  Just because I do all this rock climbing and stuff (can you
say 'dyno'?  Knew you could) doesn't mean that I have good hand-eye
coordination.  I just have a healthy fear of death (pun intended).

>             and I could read stories to you as you sat in my
>lap! -- THE ADVENTURES OF WIMPOLE STOUT maybe, or A WRINKLE IN
>TIME.

You will recall that while I am not taller than you, I am certainly
bigger.  You would have to sit in my lap.  The we could read the
adventures of the Falcon men.  A personal favorite.

>I'd let you stay up as late as you want (so long as you could get
>yourself up for school in the morning and not look bleary-eyed!),
>and I'd try *really* hard not to set down rules but encourage you
>to make up your own mind!

That does it!  Ry, would you be my other daddy?  Joel seems to be
a bit too lax.  My what can of worms have I opened here?

>                           I have so many prejudices about
>parenting, and I'd get to try them all out....

Me thinks that they are more along the line of fantasies.

>Okay, so right now it would be a single-father family.  But we'd
>make great company for each other in the meantime, and then maybe
>someone would come along, and you could have a dad and a father!

Well, as long as Tom Chatt agrees to be my conceptual older brother
(even though I am chronologically older, he does seem usenet.older
doesn't he?).  Maybe he will take me on a ski trip!  Yea!!

But who would be my conceptual mother?  I have a secret favorite,
but it will take time to bring her around.  Maybe after next year's
con.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:40:33 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>>However, I don't think Fred is "normal people". Fred is devastatingly
>>>attractive. Whimper.
>>And did you make advances?

>why I suppose I have, in my way. My impression is this wouldn't be
>very appropriate, though.

>Fred, you still out there reading motss? BBC, are you going to kill me
>yet? :-)

	Of course not.  First of all, I don't think I enter into
that equation at all...  (though thanks for the courtesy).  Besides,
ever since I met you in person, I've been charmed... :-)  *Especially*
after Sauvie Island... :-)

	I am VERY upset though that I will miss you in two weeks!
(So I'm told).  :-( :-( :-(

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:12:47 GMT

In article <1atatiINNs44@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>| Aww, Tucker Quayle _again_?  Or do you mean "*really* big" in a
>| different sense?
>
>No, and, uh, I don't know if he's "*really* big" in that
>sense (although I think the depositions that the Advocate
>apparently has do go into that kind of detail), but he is 
>a leading force in the family values crusade.

Um, Arne, maybe this is a generational thing, but I've never heard
of Tucker Quayle until now.  Is he some sort of icon, too?

(Who the hell IS he, Quayle's dad?  brother?)


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.180722.15712@ncselxsi.uucp> fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher) writes:
>I still refer to my ex-SO as "The Lamb" and he still calls me "The
>Ram."  No explainations are necessary.  :-)

How about some resuscitations?  Don't DO this to me, Chuck!

-- 
Steve Dyer
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Denholm Elliott
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:18:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.202637.8056@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083) writes:
>
>
>I believe Denholm Elliott played Doris Day's boss in her TV sitcom
>(which I seem to have forgotten, "The Doris Day Show"?)
>
>dave
>

I'm pretty sure that her boss was played by John Dehner.  

ObMotssRef: None that I can think of....
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:52:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

[Nelson Minar writes:]

>>(I fully recognize that, when measured objectively, Melmon and Sarver
>>are probably posting more tripe than the anti-Melmon/Sarver faction. I
>>don't care. We should all know better.)

>And anyone who doesn't agree is ignorant? 


Yes, Jack, that's *exactly* what he said.  As anyone and everyone full
well knows, 'We should all know better' means 'Anyone who doesn't
agree is ignorant.'  


>>For those of you keeping track of the motss.black-list, you might want
>>to look at the names that were on there in times past. You'll find me,
>>and maybe John Dorrance, and probably a few others that might surprise
>>you.

>You got off the "list" (which doesn't exist, of course) - so can they. 

Consider yourself fortunate, Nelson, to be off The List.  It's earned
you a lot of respect.  I rather like being *on* the list (unfortunately,
Dolphie *lied* - he responded to me over in ba.motss, and what's 
worse, we were almost civil to each other...)

Matthew Melmon (who refrained from name calling this time)