HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins.
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:33:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: bunny.16049
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1992Apr13.152257.31771@watson.ibm.com>, rlehman@thunder.watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman) writes:
|> [Stuff about Shula being washed up deleted] 
|> Miami has been nothing more than a mediocre team for quite some
|> time time.

The Dolphins went 12-4 two years ago during the regular season and
13-5 overall.  They were the only AFC East team to beat the Bills and
3 of their 4 regular season losses that year were to playoff teams.
They were much more than "mediocre".

Last year they were not as good and didn't deserve to go to the
playoffs - but given that they had incessant personnel problems, the
season was not a total disaster.  They had injury after injury, losing
both starting inside linebackers for most of the season, trading
McKyer, going through 5 starting nose tackles (mostly because of
injuries) and Sammie Smith couldn't hold on to the ball in crucial
situations.  Naturally, with all of these things stacked against them,
they were not as good as 1990.

None of these things (except perhaps the McKyer trade) were at all a
reflection on Shula's coaching ability.  He is still one of the best
in the league at developing a game plan and a team. Personally,
whether the Dolphins go to the Super Bowl this year or not, there is
no coach anywhere that I'd rather see coach the Dolphins than Don
Shula.

|> Why would anyone think this season would be any different?

Lots of reasons:

1. Mark Higgs
2. A healthy Offerdahl and Grimsley.
3. Two first round draft picks
4. New Defensive line coach.
5. DON SHULA

|> -Rob

-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
From: nicolaya@ifi.uio.no (Nicolay Fredrik Aslaksen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WLAF Ohio Glory 0-10????
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:50:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: nicolaya@heidrun.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Apr7.193722.2628@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell) writes:
> From article <1992Apr06.173835.25344@demon.co.uk>, by coombes@tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes):
> > 
> > 
> > Any ideas what the WLAF will do if Ohio follow Raleigh-Durham into 0-10 
> > obscurity ????
> 
> I doubt that a team's record is as important as it's fan support in
> determining whether a team stays.  I don't know how Raleigh-Durham did
> in that respect but for the first two home games Ohio had 38,000 and
> 31,000 fans, well above the North American average. 
  
  You are right about that. The (main) reason that Raleigh-Durham folded
  was because of low attendance at games, and low support in general.
  Part of the problem with Raleigh-Durham ,in my oppinion, was that 
  the team was supposed to get fans from 3 cityes, Raleigh, Durham and
  Chapal Hill, and when things started to go bad only people from
  Raleigh, where the home games were, went to the games.

 [stuff deleted] 

> Does anyone know why the Thunder were wearing those horrid green
> "home" jersies while the Glory were wearing their "away" whites?

  If it is like it was last year (which it probably is ), the team uses 
  their colored jersies as home jersies for one half of the season, and 
  their white jersies as home jersies the other half of the season.


 Nicolay Aslaksen
From: markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1st 5draft predictions  NO WAY!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:52:20 GMT
Reply-To: markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <1992Apr14.190907.2875@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>,
un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> In article <53910@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>,
markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes:
> > 
> >    Here is my guess for how the 1st 5 picks will go in the draft
> > 
> > 
> > 1 & 2.) Colts - They need WR, OL, DL, DB and LB. 
> >               Picks   Bob Whitfield OL
> >                       Desmond Howard WR
> 
> What??? No way!  Irsay himself said Emtman and Howard are his choices.
> You do not follow much do you?
  I follow my own hunches. Irsay gave up Hinton, and Rison  to get Jeff
George and
the Colts offense was worse than their defense last year. Jeff George
was knocked 
out in one game and if they want him to be around when the team gets
better they 
better try and protect him. I could see the Colts picking Entman for
another team
if the price was right but with no trade I think they will pick as I mentioned.


> > 
> > 3.) L.A. Rams - They need DL, LB, DB, RB
> >               Pick    Steve Entman DT
> > 
> Not a chance...the Rams are looking to trade up to get Emtman but the Dolts
> say they won't, if they don't Gilbert goes to the Rams.  The Redskins are
> supposedly also interested in going for Gilbert in a trade-up

  The Colts are just trying to up the ante and get back some of what
they gave away 
for Jeff George and the Rams need all of the defensive help they can
get. So I think
Entman will wind up in L.A. next .

> 
> > 4.) Cincinnati - They need DL, DB, LB
> >                Pick   Troy Vincent DB
> > 
> A strong possibility 
> 
> > 5.) Green Bay - They need RB, DL, DB, OL
> >               Pick    Sean Gilbert DE
> 
> No way does Gilbert fall through the hands of 3 teams that all would like to
> have him.  
> Brian Mulholland

   I still think Troy Vincent will be picked up by one of the teams and
Entman by another
That means he only has to fall through the hands of one team and if the
Packers wind
up with Troy Vincent  that is fine with me. 
   

Mark Nass
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Fan Rule #1 (was Re: Packer Fan Rule #2)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:50:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr16.105107.224@midway.uchicago.edu>, bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner) writes...

>  Great?!  ACK!  

That's right.  It would be great if the oldest, most storied francise 
in the NFL, the one with the proudest tradition of excellence and the 
most NFL chanpionships, the team of Lambeau, Lombardi, and Holmgren, 
won the SB in 1992.

>The bane of football winning the NFC Central would be
>anything but *great*.  

Wrongo!  And Green Bay isn't the bane of football.  It's the heart!  
And Chicago is the gall bladder.

>We would be subjected to the diatribes of the
>Cheeseheads for the rest of our existence or at least until the Bears beat
>them in the playoffs.  However, the Slackers have absolutely no chance 
>(thank God) of winning their division this year or in the forseeable future.
>Even if they manage to scrape together an ounce of talent, the threat to
>the division crown would alarm the Supreme Deity of the Universe, Mr. Ditka,
>who would immediately quelch any further attempts at victory by the Fudge-
>Packers.

Ditka the Supreme Deity of the Universe?!  HA!  Don't make me laugh.  
(Though he is beginning to look like a cross between Eddie Munster and 
Budda.)

>  If the Ass-Crackers want to win any games this year, they are
>clearly going to have to dramatically increase their pork consumption to 
>equal (as if it was possible) the level we have achieved here in Chicago.
>In addition, they will have to worship Mr. Ditka at the Polish Sausage
>(pronounced "saasauge", "a" as in "back" as in "baby back ribs" which the
>Lackers must also consume in great quantities) Shrine at least three times
>a week.

Your problem is that you're envious because the tailgate parties at 
Sholdier Field are a mere shadows of those at Lambeau Field.  The 
problem is you gotta cook 100% *beef* bratwurst, boiled in beer and 
onions then grilled to perfection.

>Now, with that out of the way, let us discuss the Bears future.  It's not
>so much winning the Super Bowl I'm concerned about, but how many times
>in a *row* they will win it ...
>I think we're looking at an eight-peat here.

HA!  Eight-peat in the basement maybe!

:-)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Brister SUX!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:35 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

There is a guy out there by the name of Christian Day I believe who
seems to have an idea that Brister is a "good leader" and isn't
a junker QB.  I wish to tell him that Brister SUX!!!  The guy
is bad from head to toe...he can throw the ball well and that is it.
One person caompared him to a Jay Shroeder, but Brister doesn't even have
Jay's #1 asset, a gun arm.  Brister makes bad reads, is only average at
throwing the deep ball, has 0 timing, and whne he was benched after his
"injury" he whined like a baby.  Brister has no class, brains or poise.
Brian Mulholland
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 21:12:52 EDT
From: <JBL108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE DEAD

Yeah. I heard it might be the highlight of Bubby's Career. Only one problem.
Jeff George doesn't get enough protection from his line , and therefore he
never fires straight. Maybe a stray bullet could hit Tim Worley in the head,
and knock some sense into him . Then who cares about Bubby.
                Go Steelers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                   w/ Neil O'Donnell at QB....
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Team colors
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:45:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

The following is posted (with permission) from private email.

>From:    IN%"murphy@npri6.npri.com"  6-APR-1992 08:39:53.69
>To:      uupsi!heim@uunet.uu.net
>Subject: Re: Please don't confuse me with a Bear fan (was Re: Redskins repeat?)
> 
>In rec.sport.football.pro you write:
>
>>When *I'm* cut I bleed Green & Gold.
>
>i'll bite:  who is "Green and Gold"?

The official colors of the Green Bay Packers are Packer Green and 
Packer Gold.  According to my media guide (No, I'm not a member of the 
media.) the only other team which found it necessary to make up their 
own colors was SF.  Their colors are 49er Gold and Scarlet.  (The 
Cardinals do use Cardinal Red, though.)

Detroit's colors are Honolulu Blue and Silver.  Honolulu Blue?  Detroit 
fan: "When I'm cut I bleed Honolulu Blue and Silver."  :-)

Miami's colors are Aqua and Orange.  Kinda makes you wonder how they 
managed to win all those SBs, doesn't it?  I guess you don't have to 
have tough looking uniforms to play hard-nosed football.  (Someone 
should tell this to Jerry Glanville.)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** To boldly code what no one has coded before! ****************
From: rlehman@thunder.watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman)
Subject: Dolphins.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:22:57 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


All this discussion about the Dolphins brings up an interesting point.
If Shula hadn't been successful in the past, wouldn't he have been
fired by now?  I think it's painfully obvious that the Dolphins (and
perhaps the Bears) are saddled with a "great" coach who just isn't
going to win again.  Pittsburgh was in the position for years.  Miami
has been nothing more than a mediocre team for quite some time time.

I don't dispute the fact that Shula is a good coach, and was a great
coach, but this doesn't buy Miami fans anything (except a few good
calls/non-calls from the officials every season :-).  I would be
surprised if the Dolphins ever won a Super Bowl again with Don Shula.
Ditto for Chicago, but that's another story.

If you're a Dolphin fan, think about how long have you been wishing
for a decent defense, or a running game?  Duper and Clayton and Marino
ring up lots of yards and lots of points.  Big deal.

Why would anyone think this season would be any different?

-Rob
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:45:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.elambert.702837945
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda) writes:

>   

>         Kreig (sp) is not the answer!!!!


I'd take Krieg over DeBerg any day... except in the middle of
one of those annual 6 week long "absolutely sucks" spells....

But then I'm getting use to rooting for bad QBs...


Semper Fi Raider fan
--
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Rushing leaders projected....
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:15:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>Anderson I think will not return to former form.  He played rotten last year,
>but I never thought the world of him in the first place, and I thunk he just
>thrived off the formerly tough Bear OL.  There was a rookie who played in
>the playoff game, that looked F***ing sharp!  Bears fans? His name?

You're thinking of Darren Lewis.  I too think he'll be a part of the 
Bear's rushing attack next year, but I expect Neal Anderson to return
to form.  Remember, not only did Anderson miss a bit of time with a
hamstring injury, but while he was playing, he was without the starting
fullback (Muster) to block for him.

----      
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer Fan Rule #1 (was Re: Packer Fan Rule #2)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:42:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr14.021452.8930@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...

>In article <1992Apr13.221052.25270@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>PACKER FAN RULE NUMBER 2:
> 
>>    In any give year, the draft will be weakest in what ever position
>>    the Packers most desparately need to fill.
> 
>What was rule number 1?  Did I miss it, or is it just to defend the
>team's honor against ludicrous claims that they'll end up in the
>basement instead of the Bucs?

Jeez, I thought *everyone* knew Packer Fan Rule Number 1.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
PACKER FAN RULE NUMBER 1:

    All Packer fans hate the Bears more than anything in the universe.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Even more than vegetarian lasagna.  You know, the kind made with 
ground spinich or eggplant instead of Italian sausage.  Which reminds 
me of something else that really burns my noodle.  Whatever happened 
to the good old days where you could invite a few guys over to watch 
the game and you didn't have to worry about what to feed 'em because 
you knew that at halftime you could just stroll over to the freezer, 
pull out some dead animal flesh, push the button on the gas Charbroil, 
and 40 minutes later your guests are sittin' back completely satisfied, 
suckin down their 2nd or 3rd cold one and all that's left of that dead 
animal is a little bit of red blood dribbling down their chins.

Now a days, ya probably got some joker saying something like "I don't 
eat anything rippled."  First time I heard that I says "No problem, I 
was gonna bar-b-que it anyway."  Then he explains that rippled means 
meat with lines of fat in it.  I says that's the best part.

But I digress.  Anyway, that's what Packer Fan Rule Number 1 is.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
From: mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: WL: World League --- Week 4!!!
Keywords: I think this is the first tied game for the WL
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:48:43 GMT
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department

WORLD LEAGUE Report for Week 4:

WEEK 4 RESULTS:
Day   Victor       Score  Loser       (Home Team in CAPS)
---   -----------  -----  -----------
Sat   Birmingham   17-17  LONDON      OT TIED
Sat   Barcelona    20-17  FRANKFURT
Sat   San Antonio  23-20  SACRAMENTO  OT
Sun   ORLANDO      39-21  New York-NJ
Sun   MONTREAL     31-20  Ohio

---------------------------------WEEK 4 STANDINGS------------------------------

EUROPEAN DIVISION            W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA     DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========   =====   ====<->==== 
Barcelona Dragons            3   1   0    .750   48  55     2-1     2-1   1-0
Frankfurt Galaxy             2   2   0    .500   72  65     2-1     0-2   2-0
London Monarchs              1   2   1    .375   78  81     0-2     1-1-1 0-1
 
NORTH AMERICAN EAST DIV.     W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA     DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========   =====   ====<->==== 
Orlando Thunder              3   1   0    .750  109  64     3-1     2-0   1-1
Montreal Machine             2   2   0    .500   85  80     2-0     2-0   0-2
New York-New Jersey Knights  0   4   0    .000   58  89     0-1     0-1   0-3
Ohio Glory                   0   4   0    .000   38  89     0-3     0-2   0-2

NORTH AMERICAN WEST DIV.     W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA     DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========   =====   ====<->==== 
San Antionio Riders          3   1   0    .750   59  56     1-1     1-0   2-1
Sacramento Surge             3   1   0    .750   71  42     1-1     2-1   1-0
Birmingham Fire              2   1   1    .621   57  54     1-1     1-0   1-1-1

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WEEK 5 MATCH-UPS:
Day   Time(GMT/EST)   Visitor     at Host
---   -------------   --------------------------
Sat    4:00p/11:00a   Barcelona   at London    
Sat    4:00p/11:00a   Sacramento  at Birmingham
Sat   11:00p/ 6:00p   Frankfurt   at New York-NJ 
Sun    6:00p/ 1:00p   Ohio        at San Antonio
Sun    6:00p/ 1:00p   Montreal    at Orlando 

GMT=Greenwich Mean Time    EST=Eastern Standard Time   Note: "Day" is for EST
                         (not "daylight savings" time)

===============================================================================
Matt Brockman                   Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
                               Go, Go, Glory!
===============================================================================
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?   Nagle possibilities
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:04:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


>>I did not see Nagle in that game but I remeber seeing him somewhere (I forget
>>where unfortunately) and he did not impress me.  I wonder how the Jets will
>>be competitive since O'Brien's agent filled his head with dreams of a big
>>contract because of a playoff berth and a Pro=Bowl aoppearance.  O'Brien
>>may be a hold out and even if he weren't he sux, so Nagle looks to get the
>>green flag, but how can you expect a (essentially) rookie to lead a team
>>to a playoff berth?  I think Nagle will need time.  During that time the
>>Jets should be doing everything possible to grab some impact players to
>>add to the roster.   If they do then by the time Nagle is ready the team
>>should be ready to support him in a SB campaign (assuming Jets fans know
>>what they are talking about when they say Nagle is a "possible star").
>>Brian Mulholland
> 
>     Last I herd Kenny O' didn't even have an agent and was unsigned
>      because of a pay cut. 

Admittedly I assumed he had an agent, the article did not say that.
>      
>    Every day I log on and see 50 articles in this group and 40 are 
>    from  Brian "I don't have a clue or a life" Mulholland
>    Please spare us from your "explosive naivete " on every post
>    turn off your computer and go outside once in a while  you hump. 
> 
>   Daniel V                                                     GO JETS!

What is this shit?  I have several friends working in Computer
labs, an I visit with them between classes, and I come in an while
talking w/them I read, andd respond to a couple articles.  What is
the crime in that?  I do not see the nee for responses like that!
Perhaps I do post a tad in excess, but when I have something on my 
mind I say it.  It has always been a part of my character.  I am fairly
honest with everyone and say whatever comes to mind.  Some of my friends
appreciate it, others hate it, but whether you like it or not you cannot
shut me up.  If my excessive postings annoy you then I apologize but I will
not stop posting because I tick a couple people off.
Brian "what clue?" Mulholland
From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:47:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr14.164747.29571
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.185313.18030@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
		[ .... other stuff deleted .....]
>The lack of a FB troubles me.  
>I don't mean lack of a *good* FB, I mean lack of an FB.  I still say 
>the Pack will draft an FB #1.  But they may wait until the 2nd if they 
>think the guy they want will still be available.
>

The lack of a FB troubles me as well, but if the Pack drafts one
with their #1 pick, Wolf will have already proven himself to be
as big an idiot as Tom Braatz when it comes to conducting a draft
(I don't believe this is the case).  It is this short-sighted
drafting from need that has caused the Packers to be a doormat
for the past 10 years (except '89).  This is what caused such draft such
flops as Rich Campbell, Bruce Clark, Brent Fullwood, Ken Davis, 
Robbie Bosco, and Shawn Patterson
(you could possibly add Tony Mandarich and Darryl Thompson to this
list in the future).  With the 5th pick in the draft the Packers have
the opportunity to get a great player.  They can't blow this pick 
by filling a hole.  The best FB in the draft is Tommy Vardell from
Stanford and he is projected as a late first rounder at best.  It
is my opinion that the Pack should take one of the following players
(depending on who is still available):  
	1.) Troy Vincent - CB, Wisconsin
	2.) Sean Gilbert - DL, Pitt
	3.) Bob Whitfield - OT, Stanford
	4.) Quitan Coryett - LB, Texas A&M
I am assuming Entman will definitely be gone.  The Packers should save 
drafting of an FB to a later round.

		[ .... other stuff deleted .....]
>
>Troy Vincent says playing in GB would be a 'dream come true'.  The 
>addition of Vincent could give the Packers one heck of a secondary.
>

It would be a "dream come true" for this Packer fan if the Pack drafted
Vincent with their first pick.


Todd
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: NFC Rushing leaders projected....
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:43:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.231549.27218@midway.uchicago.edu> bitn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <zz!vjwf@rpi.edu> ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth) writes:

>>1. Rodney Hampton 
>>2. Barry Sanders
>>3. Emmitt Smith
>>4> Herschel Walker
>>5. Neal Anderson



> I won't be the only one to flame you on this I guarantee:

>(Deep Breath):

>"WHERE THE HELL IS THURMAN THOMAS!!!!  YOU MUST BE NUTS!!!!!!"

Good point.  Now that the Packers acquired Thomas for Blair Kiel and
an 8th round draft pick, he's no longer in the AFC.
-- 
	Stupidity got us into this mess; why can't it get us out?

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)