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From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Viable auto alternative system? (long)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:24:19 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli) refers to '"On Demand" shuttles,
like shared taxis, ...'.  I'm told that in parts of Europe (Germany
specifically, I think), there are demand-driven bus routes
that serve this purpose.  Does anyone know more about these?

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
From: drw@esl.com (Dave Waters)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Tehachapi double track, was Re: If coast, no valley
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:12:32 GMT
Followup-To: ba.transportation,rec.railroad
Distribution: usa
Organization: ESL Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.205224.11356@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
wrote:

> 	I know I sound like a Kremlinologist, but I find it curious
> that I don't see SP's logo, featuring a railroad track heading into a
> rising sun, on any of SP's rolling stock -- just "Southern Pacific" or
> "SP" in plain letters. This seems exceptional among railroads; I've
> seen UP's red-white-and-blue shield logo on most of UP's rolling
> stock, for example, and even on some of its railroad bridges.

SP has not had the "rails to the sunset" as an "official" logo for many
years now. Under Phil Anschutz, it's making a comeback in a red and yellow
scheme. Indeed, many SF Bay Area (& I'm sure other areas) SP bridges sport
the new logo. 

The billboard style "SP" (like on the front of the SP locos) *is* the logo,
and most all cars have it, hence SP's "logo" does in fact grace most
rolling stock.
Not much of one, that's for sure.

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Newsgroups: ba.transportation,rec.railroad
From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Re: SP Coast Line (San Jose-LA) may be sold
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.215003.9085@ntmtv>, adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
> 
> A Los Angeles transportation agency wants to buy Southern Pacific's
> 416-mile rail line between San Jose and Burbank and establish frequent
> passenger train service between the Bay Area and Southern California.

From SJ to Burbank is only about 330-340 by car.  Is the train
route that much longer, or does the 416 include spurs?

jeremy
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Average speed survey
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:35:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <qe6859c@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:

>But two full skip-stop trains can be more efficient than two full local (or
>non-express, or all-stop, whatever you want to call it) trains.  People get
>where they're going faster, and it costs less to run.

But it doesn't always work.  If your skip-stop pattern looks like
this:

----O---=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----
--------O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----=----O----

(O is a stop, = is a skipped stop)

It becomes a real problem going from a stop on the bottom line to a
stop on the top line.  Any kind of new development along transit
routes will by necessity assume that people can go from any stop to
any other stop.  It doesn't mean you can't skip-stop, but it does mean
that you must have good local frequency.

 =Aaron=

-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
Xref: sparky ba.transportation:2401 alt.activism:16886 ca.environment:931
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: SP Coast Line (San Jose-LA) may be sold
Organization: LLNL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:42:41 GMT

In article <qflm4k8@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.215003.9085@ntmtv>, adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:

@  A Los Angeles transportation agency wants to buy Southern Pacific's
@  416-mile rail line between San Jose and Burbank and establish frequent
@  passenger train service between the Bay Area and Southern California.

>From SJ to Burbank is only about 330-340 by car.  Is the train
>route that much longer, or does the 416 include spurs?

	The train route _is_ longer. I once followed it on a map, and
there are some relatively straight parts, and some very twisty parts,
due to all the mountains along the way.  The CA Amtrak schedule tries
to show routes to scale, with reasonably good results; that's one
place to look :-) I got a detailed look with DeLorme's excellent map
books. Great scenery, certainly, but not very fast.

	How long would the train take? Using the Coast Starlight
schedule, and using Glendale in place of Burbank, the travel time is 9
hours (nominally, of course!). This adds up to an average speed of 46
mph.

	From Glendale to LA, my schedule lists a nominal time of 15
minutes, while from San Jose to San Francisco or Oakland it would be
about 45min - 1hr, assuming 45-60 mph avg. speed. The train would
probably continue to San Francisco, with express buses going from San
Jose to the nearest BART station for East Bay travelers, which should
still be Fremont if this train starts soon enough :-)

	What rolling stock? If this train starts in the next couple of
years, then it could use existing Amtrak rolling stock (say), or maybe
even some of the new California Cars (if they are ready in time).
Diesel traction will be necessary unless the line is electrified.

	Going around the curves will be tough, but a tilting train
like the Swedish ABB X-2000 would be appropriate for doing that at
high speed.

	I presume that the line is single-tracked, so it may need
crossing sidings, which it may already have. Someone who has already
ridden the route may know more about it :-)

	There is also a political question -- Amtrak's basic law
specifies that no competing intercity train service may be run on any
of Amtrak's routes without Amtrak's permission. This would only be a
problem if Metrolink was to run the route, since Metrolink != Amtrak
(I think), but if it is Amtrak running the route, then that problem
will not exist :-).

Newsgroups: ba.transportation,rec.railroad
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Tehachapi double track, was Re: If coast, no valley
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Summary: SP at California RR festival
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:59:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.205224.11356@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> 
> 	I suspect that UP is in much better shape than SP; one
> indicator was at the CA rail festival last summer, when I noticed a UP
> delegation with two new UP locos, but no SP delegation, let alone new
> SP locos. The two UP locos had computerized displays, controls, and
> accounting systems, which seems thoroughly up-to-date :-).
> 
Hate to quibble on this one, especially all the way from North
Carolina, but, to set the record straight:  I don't doubt that UP is
in better financial shape than SP, however, SP did contribute to the
Califorina Railroad Festival -- even if it didn't send motive
power.  SP contributed some track maintenance equipment.  I was in
Sacramento the day before the festival began and have photos of the
equipment being set up.

-- Ernest

-- 
"My other computer is a Nikon N8008." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
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From: mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Average speed survey
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
Organization: DOS Bears

In article <1992Sep22.010701.14684@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.202611.12778@Veritas.COM>, joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:
>|> But the "80 mph BART" rider and the "55 mph LRT" rider are both mythical,
>|> since both BART and LRT have average speeds in the mid 30s.  
>
>Joshua's comment got me to thinking that it'd be kind of fun to do
>an average auto speed survey here.  While I'd expect it to be higher
>than "the mid 30s", I'm curious to see what it is for readers of
>this newsgroup.  Those that usually take transit to work should
>just give information based on when they next drive.

First, I can't participate in the survey because my odometer does
not work but I would guess I do about 20mph (motorcycle, carpool lane,
San Tomas, 30 min, 10 miles(?)).

Second, I would like to remind participants to use actual times from
the same watch.  There are bank clocks very near my start and end 
points and, for a while, I could not understand why my trip home
was so fast compared to my trip to work.  The clocks have a relative
error of more than 5 minutes.

And third, I would expect that the average speeds to be porportional
to the amount of freeway driving they do.  People whose commutes are
mostly freeway will average 40 and up; those who do almost no freeway
will be 30 and down.
--
Mike Lipsie                            584 Castro #614, San Francisco, CA 94114
dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
mikel%dosbears.uucp@ingres.com    Running rn (for DOS) with UUPC/Extended 1.11k
From: mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Average speed survey
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
Organization: DOS Bears

In article <1992Sep25.190735.2022@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>With the $20 "Commuter Check" transit vouchers many employers are
>offering nowadays, a Santa Clara County montly "Flash Pass" only
>costs you $10 out-of-pocket.  So for $120/year you can take transit
>to work (and anywhere else you like) and save money on car insurance,
>gas and wear & tear costs.

And a CalTrain monthly pass (SJ-Sunnyvale) with Peninsula pass costs only
$39 (that's without the Commuter Check).  That gives you access to
Santa Clara busses and CalTrain within much of the county (the whole 
system is only a small additional charge per trip, free on weekends)
as well as the bus systems of Sam Mateo and San Francisco.
--
Mike Lipsie                            584 Castro #614, San Francisco, CA 94114
dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
mikel%dosbears.uucp@ingres.com    Running rn (for DOS) with UUPC/Extended 1.11k
Newsgroups: ba.transportation,rec.railroad
From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Tehachapi double track, was Re: If coast, no valley
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.192341.20733@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.231615.11017@telebit.com> bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork) writes:

>>The SP doesn't want passenger trains cluttering up operations
>>over Tehachapi. If the coast route is indeed sold, I'll bet SP
>>will then say no to passenger trains over Tehachapi.
>
>	One way out of this conundrum is to build a new LA-Bakersfield
>connector. It would start from the existing line at Saugus and Santa
>Clarita and go northward, roughly paralleling I-5, all the way to
>Bakersfield. The only really rough part is going over the mountains;
>the valley part near Bakersfield should be easy. Has that possibility
>ever been studied?

The prop 116 (bonds) included money for engineering studies on double
tracking Tehachapi. Something like $5m, so it's for real.

If SP got the double track, then they'd be more inclined to accept
passenger traffic over the loop.

The thing about selling the coast route, if the Metro folks had
a clue, they'd get the track, then arrange for trackage rights
by UP. Thinking about this would cause UP to drool and the SP
to have nightmares.

Of course, I doubt if SP would sell unless there was a clause
allowing them *exclusive* trackage rights.

I'm not sure of the exact wording of the trackage rights SP
has on the recently sold Peninsula line. The UP is
probably not all that interested in the Peninsula anyways.

Now, if the Port of Redwood City installed a rotary dumper
and/or grain silos, then we might see unit trains of
coal and grain up the Peniunsula. Not really that far
beyond reality, especially if the Oakland port keeps
having its problems getting the bay channels dredged.

--Steven lives next to the route those unit trains would take :)
Newsgroups: ba.windows.x
From: vogler@helios.var.com (William F. Vogler)
Subject: Font Problem
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:13:03 GMT
Organization: Varian, Palo Alto, CA

Hello Xheads:

I'm having trouble with XLoadQueryFont, it can not find the font "fixed":

	 axisFont = XLoadQueryFont( disp, "fixed" );

When I run the X program, "xlsfonts -l", "fixed" is found. Also when I run
the X font displayer, "xfd -fn fixed", xfd finds "fixed" and displays the
characters in the font.

Why can xlsfonts and xfd find "fixed" but XLoadQueryFont in my program
cannot?

Please respond by email to vogler@helios.var.com.

Thanks in advance,

Bill Vogler
From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: BANGLE: Contact Needed
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:04:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:

>I need to contact a person affilliated with BANGLE. E-mail, phone
>number, or mailing address will work. (BANGLE = Bay Area Network
>of Gay and Lesbian Educators)

This is what I got off of the Billy DeFrank BBS (408 248-0675):

(revised 17 June 92)


BANGLE - The Bay Area Network of Gay and Lesbian Educators

South Bay Chapter

c/o Ron Schmidt
550 South Fifth Street
San Jose, CA  95112
408-298-1231

MEETING:  Second Wednesday each month, at 6:30 pm, at the DeFrank Center,
          175 Stockton Avenue, San Jose.  People wishing to have dinner
          before the meeting, please meet at 5 pm, at the Old Spaghetti
          Factory, 51 N. San Pedro, San Jose (408-288-7488).

BANGLE advocates change in the educational system, on behalf of gay and
lesbian students, teachers, administrators, and parents.  To this end,
BANGLE sponsors professional education ("in-service") seminars and works
with administrators and governing bodies to promote acceptance of people
of diverse sexual orientations within the system.

-- 
Brad "fuzzy" Zaller     ---      I love my country;
apple computer, inc.      ---    I fear my government.
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Last day to register
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:42:01 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

Just a reminder that today is the last day to register to vote 
for the election in November.  Forms can be found at almost 
all Post Offices and city/county buildings.

...Max
-- 
|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |
+-----------------------------------------+
|         Denial springs eternal          |
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:33:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <72914@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Rod Williams writes:
>
>>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>>San Francisco.
>
>>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
>
>I'm confused.  I can't tell whether Rod should get a Cabal_Card for
>following-up with a slightly vitriolic, get-a-clue response or if
>in fact his Card should be revoked for not getting the connection
>immediately.

I'm sure that all this was the intent of his posting.  The Cabal_Card
stays.


pauli.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Gap stores
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:12:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: insert anything here

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>Well, remember this: only five U.S. governors have signed laws barring
>discrimination against gays. Wilson is one of them.
>I say, give the big lug a break.

	Um, your statement is completely incorrect.

	First of all there are 6 states:

		Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Connecticut,
		Vermont, and New Jersey.

	California is not one of them.  Wilson vetoed the bill
that would have made California #7.   The bill that Wilson signed
only discusses employment.  It unlike all the others did not add
orientation to the list of protected classes.

	Give the big lug a vote of no-confidence.  And I say, give
you a crash course on Gay Rights in Amerika.

BBC
From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Gay in the Workplace Workshop
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:21:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>I'd really like to hear other attendees' opinions and experiences...

I was there!  Had a great time, and learned a lot -- I even got to see
some faces I haven't seen in years.

I went to the creating/developing a GLB employee group workshop where
a lot of strategies were discussed and ideas bounced around.  Some
groups (ATT and PG&E) provided copies of their charter and bylaws
for others to look at, and I discovered a large employee group
network in the northwest (Northwest GLEN -- Hi, Jeff!).

The noontime speakers were all excellent, though I think more questions
could have been addressed if the moderater didn't let things drift
as much as they did.

The afternoon sessions I went to (GLB org. strategies for empowerment, and
Coming Out process & setting limits) were both good, though they seemed
to be filling time towards the end.  I would have liked to have seen
shorter sessions, but more of them, instead of the few long sessions
we had this year -- maybe the real deep topics could be addressed in
multiple sessions??  

Although I missed Friday's activities, I would have liked to have seen more
communication between the various employee groups there.  Lots of people
who were there just for Saturday were asking me about all kinds of Apple
Lambda happenings, and I would have liked to send them to a booth or
desk or something where they could get the info.  Maybe some sort of
clearinghouse or information desk would have helped, where people could
get and distribute information about other GLB groups' happenings.

Anyway, it was definately a great conference, and I'm looking forward
to the next one...

bz

-- 
Brad "fuzzy" Zaller     ---      I love my country;
apple computer, inc.      ---    I fear my government.
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Follow-Up: Walk For AIDS '92
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:25:23 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Sunday, October 4th:  The sunrise initiated itself over a beautiful, clear sky above the valley.
It was warm, very calm.  Then, we arrived downtown at approximately 8:30 am.   
The tranquillity of the morning gave way to the masses.  Families with their kids, families with
their 'Walk For AIDS '92' T-shirt wearing pups, friends who have been touched, high school
cheerleaders for walker spirit & energy.  It was fantastic.  Once the warm-up aerobics and
obligatory announcements were made, the walk began.  And part of the calmness, lost in the
synergy at START, began to return.  We walked past the Rosecrution Museum and through
the Rose Garden.  This support so awesomely focused was truly a magnificent, team like
effort.  When it was over, we came full circle, feeling pretty darn good about the last 10
kilometers in our lives.

For those who contributed by walking, donating or volunteering the time, 
Thanks For Your Support!

\aliscafo/
From: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: South Bay Housing
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:29:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com

It looks like I may be moving to the SouthBay area in about 6
months.  Since I have always lived around the Oakland Area I
know very little about what the living situation is down there.
I am now considering Santa Cruz to Redwood City.  
Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can find 
information of local Gay communities, Gay tolerant housing,
and basically just good areas to look in.

Thanks
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Press Release - Democrats Target Gay Community on Sunday, October 18th
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:57:34 GMT

In article <m0mYO5J-00014wC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>, wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly) writes:

+ On October 18, 1992, the California Gay and Lesbian community will hold 
+ hundreds of house parties to rally its support for Bill Clinton and other 
+ Democratic candidates who have shown their commitment to support civil rights 
+ legislation, significant AIDS funding and nondiscrimination policies. The house 
+ parties would raise funds to help pay for a massive Get-Out-the-Vote effort in 
+ the final weeks of the campaign and bring new volunteers form the gay and 
+ lesbian Community to assist in the effort.

I did one of these, and it was a major amount of fun.  If you want
information or advice on how to do it, feel free to contact me --
black@sybase.com, (510) 652-7405 home, (510) 596-3816 work.  I'm
speaking at someone's house party tonight, as a matter of fact.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: ba.motss