HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:03:33 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


What level of clearance are you talking about??????????

If it's an SBI/Poly they're gonna catch you------unless you
learn how to beat the lie detector.  Also, what are the chances
of someone blabbing to an investigator?    When they did my
clearance, they dug up all kinds of people from my past--
fortunately none of them knew about any of the good stuff.

Experimental use of a little weed wasn't a disqualifier in 1977.
I don't know about LSD however.  I don't think I'd admit to it.
If you flunk the poly, they are allowed to re-investigate--
but they can't deny clearance if they don't find any hard
evidence, except at CIA and NSA.

I can probably get you a citation from the DoD directive on
polygraphs, if you need more info.  That document can also
be found in Federal Repository Libraries (probably located at
your state university).
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: people who've tried antidepessants
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:45:57 GMT
Keywords: antidepressant agents

In article <szikopou.724940795@cunews> szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:
>I have been suffering from chronic depression and as a last resort I
>decided to try an antidepressant. (fluoxetine trade-name Prozac)  It
>didn't do more than triple my already crushing anxiety--sanke oil as
>far as I'm concerned.
>
>I posted this article to get some responses from people who have taken
>antidepressant agents with or without success.

Well, during two severe periods of chronic depression, I've taken Prozac, and
it did precisely what it was made to do; within a period of weeks, the
drug had helped reverse my emotional state. And I definitely felt a sense of
improvement from the drug, and that drug in particular, as I've been in the
same state before and have taken a _host_ of other chemicals, with no or
_adverse_ effects.
	Unfortunately, what's happened to you is that you've run across
one of the contraindicatory effects of Prozac. No drug is perfect, although
some are more effective in more cases (such as Prozac) than others (such
as, in my case, the amitryptalines -- bleah!). Try something else, especially
if what you're dealing with is the not-all-that-uncommon-as-it-seems problem
of bipolar disorder. "Ask your doctor", as the commercial sez...

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: Joe Niski <niski@ssd.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Washington Post on Qat
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:32:24 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:32:49 GMT

In article <1gri1sINNqb3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> James D. Del Vecchio,
bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>In a previous article, backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) says:
>
>>I think the most interesting thing about the Post article is the way
it's
>>written.  Compare it to the Reuter's piece and you'll see what I mean. 
It's
>>clear that the author of this article is antidrugs.  He doesn't even
bother to
>>point out the inconsistencies in his own copy.  For example, he implies
at one
>
>	The Washington Post is one of the very most biased "mainstream"
>papers you are likely to find.  Look up anything to do with guns in
Infotrack 
>sometime.  WP, along with their rival for this, the NY Times, wrote
about 95% 
>of the articles listed, and the bulk of them contain shameless BS.

Well, the Portland _Oregonian_, being yet another mindless franchise of
the Gannett (or was it Newhouse - doesn't matter) chain, published an
interview (Sunday, 12/20/92) with a Portand resident who's a native
Somali: his repsonse to the Khat question was (i don't have the clipping,
but this is close), "...that's the Hollywood point of view - Khat is like
coffee, something you do with neighbors or to help stay awake."

i know how nasty i get after (1) a morning without coffee or (2) a day
with too much, so maybe the marins oughta watch out for ME......
---------------------------------------------
Joe Niski                                          niski@ssd.intel.com
Macintosh Network Admin.
Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
Beaverton, OR USA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:59:57 GMT

symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) writes:
: >>: 
: >>: Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
: >>: on acid :-)
: >>
: >>Can you provide some documentation? No one else has. If there are plenty
: >>of people who have believed that, there should be some medical citations
: >>that you can provide.
: >
: 
: 	I knew this guy up in Wisconsin (name withheld by request) who thought
: he became an orange.  He insisted we were all apples and to get away from him
: or he'd turn into orange juice.  Of course, we all chased him aroud the house
: for about 45 minutes, him shouting, "Don't touch me, don't touch me!" all the
: while, just trying to tap him on the shoulder.   As soon as we managed, he 
: dropped to the ground moaning "I'm orange juice, I'm orange juice."

Then, after counting to 10 - he got up and started chasing you - right? :-)

I once knew someone who did something similar - without consuming any drugs.

The point was, what happened after he came down from the trip? Did he retain
this belief?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:50:54 GMT

bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
: 
: In a previous article, @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) says:
: >	I knew this guy up in Wisconsin (name withheld by request) who thought
: >he became an orange.  He insisted we were all apples and to get away from him
: >or he'd turn into orange juice.  Of course, we all chased him aroud the house
: >for about 45 minutes, him shouting, "Don't touch me, don't touch me!" all the
: >while, just trying to tap him on the shoulder.   As soon as we managed, he 
: >dropped to the ground moaning "I'm orange juice, I'm orange juice."
: 
: I don't know if this post is a gag, as the thread was also in a.f.u,
: but I read "the orange juice story" in book when I was a kid, and 
: have seen several references to it by various people over the years.

Yep - I first recall seeing it in Reader's Disgust.  Apparently, no one
has found any documentation of the story. Nothing seems to be available
on Medline.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen)
Subject: Re: legalization in Britian
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Chicago IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:18:34 GMT

In article <1hoc9nINNsjn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(James D. Del Vecchio) wrote:

> >     Drugs and marijhuana are not illegal because the vast majority
> >of Americans believe that they should be so, they are illegal because
> >a few jokers passed the laws through congress with the promise
> >of kickbacks to the law makers.  
> 
> That plus the vast majority of Americans believe the they should be
> so.

'The vast majority of Americans' is a highly manipulatible group.
A government campaign to teach Americans than drugs are good would
quickly result in 'the vast majority of Americans' believing with
all their hearts that drugs are good.

__________________________________________________________________________
Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-        
             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lukoff@stein.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: The Bush School, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.215221.5540@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
>sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy) writes:
>
>>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Dec-92 Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
>>by Michael J Maryo @udecc.e 
>>> thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
>>> associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
>>> difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that
>
>>Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
>>  I'm quite interested.
>
>>Steve
>
>
>>"I don't like much really, do I?  But what I do like, I love
>>passionately!" -Pet Shop Boys
>
>Why waste your time on Steve? He just admitted that he thinks it's fine to
>let the government and police department define wisdom and
>responsibility. Doesn't seem too open to much. It's just a good thing
>there are people that don't agree with him though. Thanks to them women
>can vote and blacks can drink out of any drinking fountain and sit down on
>city busses. But then I would guess Steve is white and male so why should
>he care?
>
>
>--
>Mike Harris 			>>>>> In stereo where available <<<<< 

Mike, I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic with that last sentence,
otherwise that is one of the most closed-minded things I have ever heard.
Saying that white males would probably rather have women at home and
blacks segregated is indicting a whole group of people......just what the
civil rights activists were fighting against.
But as regards drugs, I agree with all of you. What is the difference
between an illegal drug and a legal one except a law? If they really based
illegality on how dangerous a substance was alcohol and tobacco would be
illegal, but I think RJ Reynolds and Annheuser Busch wouldn't like that.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:21:14 GMT

phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
: 
: Strychnine WAS occasionally added to LSD, but USUALLY THAT CONCOCTION WAS NOT
: SOLD AS "ACID" OR "LSD".  It was usually sold as as "THC" (which was more
: frequently PCP, but was occasionally LSD adulterated with various substances,

Are you sure about this? A pothead might buy "hash oil", but I doubt if he
would be interested in any tab or blotter or pill being sold as THC. Remember
that THC one of the active ingredients in marijuana. 

If the people wanted a psychedelic experience, they would buy lsd or angel
dust. They would not buy some substance called THC.

: occasionally strychnine) or "mescaline".  I also seem to remember that outside
: of California (and maybe even in California) some of the "Orange Sunshine"
: being sold was bogus and actually LSD combined with strychnine.

I think your memory is incorrect. I would appreciate any documentation you
can provide about lsd blotter being contaminated with any drug that was not
a byproduct of the synthesis.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ghangha@wam.umd.edu (Kire Nosredneh)
Subject: Re: Mushrooms
Keywords: Shrooms 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:12:23 GMT

In article <725940898snx@scarla.UUCP> darinf@scarla.UUCP writes:
>Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of 
>mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.
>
>/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
>| Darin D. Fisher     --   !uunet!uplher.upl.com!neb!scarla!darinf      |
>|                     --   hellgate.utah.edu!century.UUCP!darinf        |
>\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/
>|   Opinions expressed are mine, but if you would like them please feel |
>|   free to take them.                                                  |
>\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/

I've never experienced nausea, cramps, or hard crashes after a trip 
from shrooms.  When Indians eat peyote, they traditionally fast.  I'm not 
sure if your symptoms are shared among other people, but try fasting for
several hours before munching mushrooms.
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Approval sought for cocaine detection patch
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:58:02 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: corporate products & services, corporate finance, illegal drugs, 	legal

Anyone know anything specific about this?  Cost?  Accuracy?  Is this device
worn for a period of time and any drug use during this time shows up on it, or
is it just an alternative to the hair/urine/blood tests? 

clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:
>	MENLO PARK, Calif. (UPI) -- PharmChem Laboratories Inc. said Wednesday
>that its marketing partner, Sudormed Inc., had filed for approval from
>federal regualtors for a sweat collection patch to detect cocaine use.
>	A spokesman for PharmChem said the approval from the U.S. Food and
>Drug Administration would probably take six months to a year.
>	PharmChem, which specializes in drug testing, and Sudormed, a
>privately-held medical device producer, signed a license and supply
>agreement last March for the drug detection patch.
>	PharmChem said the band-aid type patch can be used to detect use of
>cocaine through laboratory analysis of sweat collected on it.
>	Jay Whitney, PharmChem's president and chief executive officer, said
>the patch could be used in in drug testing programs conducted by
>criminal justice agencies, drug treatment concerns and by businesses
>monitoring employees on duty in safety-sensitive jobs.
>	Bill Miller, Sudormed's president and chief executive officer, said
>his company plans FDA submittals of similar patches for detection of
>marijuana, methamphetamine, opiates, PCP and alcohol during 1993.
>	Sale of drug testing services using the sweat patch cannot begin
>until FDA approval is obtained.
>	PharmChem, of Menlo Park, Calif, earned $1.8 million, or 30 cents a
>share, on sales of $20.3 million in the first nine months of this year.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: legalization in Britian
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 23:52:47 GMT

petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:

>In article <1hoc9nINNsjn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>(James D. Del Vecchio) wrote:

>> >     Drugs and marijhuana are not illegal because the vast majority
>> >of Americans believe that they should be so, they are illegal because
>> >a few jokers passed the laws through congress with the promise
>> >of kickbacks to the law makers.  
>> 
>> That plus the vast majority of Americans believe the they should be
>> so.

>'The vast majority of Americans' is a highly manipulatible group.
>A government campaign to teach Americans than drugs are good would
>quickly result in 'the vast majority of Americans' believing with
>all their hearts that drugs are good.

>__________________________________________________________________________
>Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

>                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-        
>             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.

Well since the vast majority of people take drugs everyday the problem
would seem to me to be that of convincing Americans that some of the drugs
which are currently illegal are not as harmful as they believe, or in some
cases harmless or even beneficial. This is *not* an easy task. Given the
current state of hysteria the only people who will believe this are long
time users of these drugs who *are* the proof and few people will believe
them. I was recently told by the best known psychiatrist in Houston, TX
that it is *not* unusual for people two go insane by trying LSD one time.
This is the accepted medical wisdom. He also told me that Marijuana was
very harmful and could make you less intelligent. I'm sure he honestly
believes this and it does no good to call everyone who disagrees with your
position on drug legalization stupid or conspirators of some kind. These
are good honest people. Subtle but constant persuasion is the best. Point
out the counter example, gently educate people to the great literature of
psychedelic mysticism from Aldous Huxley, William Blake yes even Leary can
help. Don't give up but realize that things are not going to change right
away. Pushing too hard always has the opposite effect from what the pusher
is trying to achieve and the truth has a way of somehow coming out.


--
>>> For private correspondance, finger for my uuencoded pgp public key <<< 
InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Re: LSD
Keywords: LSD
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:51:21 GMT

>umcormi5@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Cormier) writes:
>
>
>>I was wondering what LSD stood for again.  I believe it is a type of acid
>>(hence the nickname).  Also since I was child I've learned it was easy
>>to make in a high school laboratory.  I think it was the Hardy Boys that
>>discovered someone making LSD or something. 

Yeah, they REALLY DID! In fact, they tried some, and it changed their
lives. They got out of detective work (Decided it was uncool to hassle
other folks, let them do their own thing), and moved to Orange County,
NC, where they set up a handcrafts shop. Bought a groovy macrame wine
rack from them last week, in fact.

Hee Hee


'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
Ed Meeks (emeeks@ncsu.edu)  "Won't you please tell the man I didn't hurt
anyone, I was just tryin' to have me some fun." --John Prine
'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`~~

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:56:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec21.163133.23604@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>thought.  A drug might ease one's reluctance about doing something, but no
>drug can make you do something you don't want to do.

I dunno about that. Large doses of ethanol have made me fall down and
throw up, two things I really didn't want to do (well maybe I, or more properly
my physical body, really DID want to throw up) %-\...

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Eye redness experiment a success!
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:34:08 GMT

In article <mtymp15.725065073@staff.tc.umn.edu> mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>I put on the goggles and smoked up... and my eyes didn't get red AT ALL>
>
>I recommend this for people with sensitive eyes.  With the amount I had,
>my eyes would have normally been blood* red, but they were WHITE when I
>wore the swimming goggles.
>
>
>try it out, tell me if it works for you too.

I suggest trying the experiment with a single eye protected with
goggles (and the other left exposed).  It's a more elegant
experiment that way.  If you're really ambitious you could have
independent observers (who were not present for the actual
smoking) 'score' your eye redness.  


>peace
>
>-- 
>"Peace of mind produces right values, right values produce right thoughts.
>Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will
>be a material reflection for others to see of the serentity at the center of it
>all." - Robert M. Pirsig  "Ride the surf of the sea of neuron activity." - Me

   --M@
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:38:18 -0500 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MG Seeds

D I S C L A I M E R :  This post is NOT a question for myself.  This is being
done for a friend.  The content of this post has NO association with myself,
my family, the institution of my employment WHATSOEVER.  Do NOT imply anything
from this post.  DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO THE ADDRESS THIS WAS SENT FROM!!!!!!, as 
it will only get me in trouble when trying to help a friend.

Ok, now that that is over, lemme post what my friend asked me to.
He told me he has Morning Glory seeds and was wondering about them as he has
never used such seeds before.  So here are the questions he asked me to ask
as he does not have net access.  Keep in mind these are only questions for a
friend, not my own (but I don't know either or I would have answered myself).
a)  What do Morning Glory seeds look like so that he can be sure they are such?
b)  What are MG Seeds' effects?
c)  What are the side effects if any?
d)  How long are the effects supposed to last?
e)  What is the proper dosage of MG seeds?
f)  How is the dosage prepared?
Thanks for your time.
Disclaimer Two: read the disclaimer above.
==============================================================================

                        TRISCHMANN'S PARADOX

    A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick 
         in his mouth.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:36:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.015123.20639@news.ysu.edu> ah742@yfn.ysu.edu (TJ Martzial) writes:
>
>Hey BTW, just what is Art Kleps doing these days?

I don't know what Kleps per se is doing, but the Neo-American
Church is still somewhat extant.  Their address:

   Original Kleptonian Neo-American Church
   Box 3473
   Austin, Texas 78764
   (512) 443-8464

Austin, it figures.  Anyway, you can write 'em for more info.
Theoretically, they'll send you a copy of the Boo-Hoo Bible and
Divine Toad Sweat for $20, but their mailing looked so low-rent
that I didn't want to risk the double saw.