HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christina Cheng Ann Shuy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon [CORRECTION!]
Keywords: good movie, 2 thumbs up!
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:12:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Jul23.183026.9771@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>I must apologize for posting this twice.  I made a grave error at the
>bottom of this post.
>
>In article <1992Jul23.025730.1522@dazixca.ingr.com> cristina@dazixca.ingr.com
>(Cristina Ungstad Yu) writes:
>>...
>>my question, what does all this cu stuff mean, as in chinese-cu?
>>
>>-cristina yu
>
>Chinese-cu = Chinese in the CUltural sense
>Chinese-ge = Chinese in the GEnetic sense; i.e. ethnically Chinese
>Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of CItizenship; i.e. citizen of China
>
>Note that a French-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge[1].

[article deleted to save repeating myself and bandwidth.]
>
>Given that moronic reasoning, we can use my notation to rip apart
>their other cherished but racist notion that genes determine 
>ethnicity.
>^^^^^^^^^
>
>CORRECTION!:
>
>That should read, "
>Given that moronic reasoning, we can use my notation to rip apart
>their other cherished but racist notion that genes determine 
>culture."
>^^^^^^^
Either way, the only one who believes this is so is YOU.  RACIST!
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: damned generalizations
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:10:44 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Jul20.224942.5641@u.washington.edu> waveland@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:

In reference to AIDS in Thailand:

>In the first place, there's no way to know.  Besides being the
>center of a thriving sex industry, Thailand is also the center
>of a thriving heroin industry.  The first HIV to enter Thailand
>could have come via a Japanese, an African, an American, ...

>Again, where it came from doesn't matter.  Nearly any nation with 
>any experience with AIDS--Japan, the U.S., Poland, India; among
>many others--has tried to find somebody or somewhere to put the
>blame on.... and you imply that it's nothing the locals need to
>concern themselves about.  Blame white males and you imply that
>it's them that need to clean up their act, not the Thais, but  
>the fact is that Thailand could close its doors to male tourists
>tomorrow and AIDS would remain a problem there for many years to
>come.  The poverty and corruption that enable the sex industry
>there to flourish at the expense of the sex workers will
>remain until they are addressed and dealt with.

You still refuse to see the point of my post.  When did I EVER
say that the locals need not be concerned about the epidemic??
I stated at the very beginning that I did not challenge the fact 
that social factors within the Thai society exacerbate the AIDS 
epidemic. What I objected to in the article was that it 
focused _only_ on those aspects, ignoring completely the aspect
of thousands of foreigners who visit Thailand to take advantage 
of those same social ills the article decries.  The Thais need
to be concerned, but isn't it time that the "sex tourists" 
also show some concern, too? In this country, there's been a lot 
of talk about "safe sex". Have you ever heard anyone even 
suggest that foreign male tourist going to Bangkok might be 
endangering the population and should change their behavior?  
No, the article speaks only to the _Thais_ having to change their 
sexual attitudes and reform their society.

In reference to your flippant comment that there's no way to know 
for sure who first brought AIDS to Thailand, I agree that it's an
academic question to a degree, but, you know, the U.S. sure spent 
a lot of effort on tracking down how AIDS got to this country. If
you look at the history of AIDS in Asia, Thailand is more than a
decade ahead of all other nations, with something like ten times 
the number of cases. Is that all just a coincidence? If I were a
epidemiologist, it would certainly not be academic to know if the 
epidemic is still being fuelled in the back alleys of Patpong 
and Texas Street. I would suggest a visit to those places if you
think that white male customers are not the prime component of
this "industry".

Joe Huang
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:05:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <13087.2a708701@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> luk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
->In article <3637@randvax.rand.org>, edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
->> In article <131394@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->>>I think that's very foolish of him to ask that question since only US
->>>citizens can work in government research labs.
->> 
->> If I'm not mistaken, this is no longer an absolute requirement for NIST,
->> although I've little doubt it is for LLNL.
->> 
->> In any case, even innocent questions can be asked in malicious ways.
->> And the fact that it was the "chief" and not someone in personnel who
->> asked the question /is/ strange.  I don't blame Mr. Hira for feeling
->> harrassed.
->> 
->> 		-Ed Hall
->> 		edhall@rand.org
->
->I was in Livermore National Lab and found out US citizenship is not 
->required for some permanent positions. Besides, foreign students with 
->F1 visa etc. can be postdoc in government research labs. 

Are you sure?  Are non-citizens allowed to go inside the gates, or 
are they just allowed to be in a very few buildings outside the lab?

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:09:29 GMT

>>>In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>>>>gov't give the Koreans in Japan special privileges not afforded to
>>>>other foreigners.

I wrote:
>Playing tape again, finger printing is only tip of iceberg, meaning that
>the presence of Koreans and their descendents in Japan goes well beyond
>any discussion of finger printing of foreigners in Japan as of 1992.  
>Maybe Dwight Joe wish to wonder whether the Japanese government offered
>any option to Koreans in Japan when they were stripped of Japanese citizenship
>early 1950's soon after WWII? IMO, Koreans in Japan are special case
>different than other non-Japanese who chose on free will to come to live 
>in Japan.  Without having such a historical perspective, one falls into
>don't-know-what-to-talk-about as I think is the case of Dwight Joe in this
>matter.  Another example, Joe?

Dwight Joe replies:
>[Mr. Shin asks for an example of a special privilege that the S. Korean
> gov't is demanding.  Then Mr. Shin writes the following.]
>
>>...IMO, Koreans in Japan are special case...

Instead of playing word game with a single sentence, how about giving
some context?  Are you Dwight Joe implying that the presence of most
of Koreans and their descendents in Japan comes from similar circumstances 
than other non-Japanese?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:16:00 GMT

In article <l6mplrINNp1f@news.bbn.com>, ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Jul15.122726.4475@ecl.psu.edu> l1z@ecl.psu.edu writes:
>>We are a group of international students at the Pennsylvania State University
>>who suffered from the foreign-discrimination-biased extremely unfair health
>>insurance plan of this university that is manditarily imposed on us as condi-
>>tion for registration while we were completely unaware that such a health
>>insurance plan would be the manditary condition for registration when we first
>>came here.
>>(Other info about coverage and policy deleted)

.. stuff on the importance of insurance...

>Insurance is also important so that the state or federal governments
>will not end up picking up the tab for catastrophic health bills.  The
>family I live with was applying through Medi-Cal or any other state
>funding possible.  That money comes from us taxpayers.  Although I am
>willing to pay for someone's life, I don't want to be supporting
>people who could have had the option of health care insurance.
> 
>I hope and pray that nothing will happen to my family and me, but if
>something were to happen, I think $3200 a year is a small price to pay
>for the best medical care available.

$3200 being a small price is relative.  If one is a graduate student
with a family to support, $3200 is exorbitant, taking perhaps 1/3 of
one's salary.  Although the family you mentioned may had been able
to afford private health insurance, it is not clear that it is a viable
option for a student.  Because of the lack of a clear plan to cover
those who cannot afford insurance, the taxpayers do end up subsidising
them, but in general this is not the fault of students, part-time workers,
etc..  No one has come up with a solution for this problem in the US.

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gen4031@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Hi!
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:20:10 GMT

Hi!  Does anybody read literary magazines in Chinese published in the North
America?  I am interested in that.  Could you let me know the titles of the
magazines and their editorial address, please?   Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Subject: Cana'juns! but a wee bit late! (Was Re: S.C.A.A Party -- August 6)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:14:18 GMT

In article <4920055@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> patw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Patsy Wang) writes:
>Why not try going to a party (you're welcome to ours!), smile,
>chit-chat, and you might be surprised that people will be drawn
>to you!  Asian and all!  See you Bay Area posters on Aug 6!

HL: Rats - this would've been a fun and interesting experience.
HL: Unfortunately, my time in the Bay Area will be about 10 days
HL: thereafter!  I would've liked to have talked to some people
HL: about some issues (wide range, eh) - and more so coming from
HL: someone who's a Canadian-Chinese, Chinese-Canadian, or whatever
HL: flavour anyone would like to call me.  (Absolutely no offense taken 
HL: in advance; my ex-sig.o. used to call me pistachio vanilla.)   :-D

>ps - I'm really an amazingly horrible bowler

HL: Yeah, same here ... but then again, we could have lots of 
HL: those "double digit pars (golf)" as an alternative!    ;-)
-- 
  Henry Lee			<lee@physics.ubc.ca>	Cosmic Microwave 
  Dept. of Physics, U.B.C.	<hlee@unixg.ubc.ca>	Background Balloon
  Vancouver, B.C.		                    	Anisotropy Measurement
  Canada  V6T 1Z1		(604) UBC-6709	    (Launch : fall93/spring94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: houch@mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Reply-To: houch@cavern.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:08:53 GMT

ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:

>The United States does not recognize dual citizenship.  It is stated
>very clearly when you apply for naturalization that you give up all
>privileges and rights you had from your country of origin.  They
>emphasize that again at the actual oath-taking.

You're correct that the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship;  The
Government will not grant you any priviledge or make any differentiation
based on your right to citizenship in another country.  However, they do not
make you "give up" rights you have in that other country.

-- Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:08:35 GMT

In article <Bs7qEt.G7o@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.214252.28023@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>>Anybody know who "started" it and if anybody else other than Cal kids do it?
>>*Why* would anybody do it?  :-)  If anybody knows how to do it (meaning twirl
>>a pen/pencil in your hand), give me an e-mail and tell me how long you had to
>>"practice."
>
>HAHAHA!!! This is great! Pencil twirling is something that is big everywhere!
>I love it! Back when I was in high school, we used to say that being able
>to twirl a pencil was a pre-requisite for being on the IMO (International
>Mathematics Olympiad) team. I was introduced to it at a high school math 
>conference and learned to do it pretty quick.           
>
>-leon.

  Hmmm, could anyone tell me exactly what is pencil twirling?  Is it similar
  to twirling a basketball on the fingertip?  Because honestly I've never
  seen anyone do it!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:13:49 GMT

Do fellow readers here on scaa get the impression that Dwight Zhou
completely ignored by previous article?


-- 
    .  .      +-------------------------------+
  --|--|      | Mark Yun Wook Choi            |
   /.\ |      | janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu |
  --|--|      +-------------------------------+  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Some recent stats in the San Jose Mercury
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:41:00 GMT

In article <1136@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.184022.8674@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul27.011214.21748@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>|> >	2.  Why did the Murky News focus on *household* income, rather than
>|> >		per capita income?  Many of the less-prosperous Asian-American
>|> >		families that I know have many, many wage-earners to make up
>|> >		for the lousy pay they get from the lousy jobs they can find.
>|> From my volunteer work at the SouthEast Asia Center, this fact is also very
>|> true in the metropolitan Chicago area.

	In all the previous Census ork, AA per capita income was always much 
less, even when controlled for type of job, education, etc.

>I would be more interested in per wage earner income and
>#wage earners/household statistics but only mildly more interested.

	These should be normalized for areas, as well. Nothing like trying to
compare Asian American wage earners in Hawaii (where the cost of living
is much higher) vs. white wage earners in the rural Midwest.

	In a year or so, we ought to be able to get breakdowns by race
by occupation by age by education.  I'd be real surprised if there WASN'T a
wage gap between whites and AAs, with whites getting the advantage...





-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.214252.28023@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <156i6pINNo5k@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>>[Hoyt Sze writes from his article:]
>>   If there's one talent of which we Asian Americans can boast--exceeding 
>>even our abilities to play ping-pong, twirl pencils or develop profound guilt 
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Do Chinese-ge kids at Cal still do this?  One of my many memories of Cal is
>the way some of those kids knew how to twirl those damn pencils in their hand
>like that.  I remember it being more of a "Chinese thing" than an "Asian
>thing," but I may be wrong.  I thought it was the neatest thing.  Never
>learned how to do it, though.
>
>Anybody know who "started" it and if anybody else other than Cal kids do it?
>*Why* would anybody do it?  :-)  If anybody knows how to do it (meaning twirl

     I've noticed this also.  I've seen dozens of people twirl their pens
or pencils; all but one or two of them were Asian -- almost always Chinese
as far as I could tell.  (However, I have seen one or two White guys do it, 
so we can't say "White Men Can't Twirl.")
     I noticed this especially at MIT.  Never learned to do it myself.

--Mike Tamada
  Occidental College
  tamada@oxy.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:51:37 GMT

I just want to encourage everyone who's got an opinion on this thing
to WRITE.  I'm off to mail my letter now (but unfortunately, I've missed
the last pick-up already).
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: An open letter to "Dear Abby"
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (A True American)
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:56:16 GMT

Dear Abby,

I just wanted to write to you to say that I'm ethnically Korean.  There,
you don't even have to ask now.  I'm also as American as George Bush, Bill
Clinton, or yourself.  Got any problems with that?  I thought not...

Sincerely yours,

Jim Pak

p.s. What do you think of AF/CM?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.114745.19138@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Has anyone else noticed this week's Doonesbury cartoons?
>They're pretty definitive of the "model minority"
>stereotype.  Does anyone feel like drafting a complaint,

	Nope. Unlike some folks, I didn't miss the point.

>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
				  ^^^^^^^^^
	Ah-hah.


-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Subject: Re: Sexism and sexual prefernces (was Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:27:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <MDAY.92Jul25093538@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   > tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>   [Is it sexist to prefer mates of a specific sex?]
>
>   Depends.  The question is whether a gender-specific organ is required
>   for the various posts you mentioned.  
>
>But what's a legitimate gender-specific requirement?  Except when one
>wants to have children that are genetically related to oneself,
>there's no biological need for a "gender-specific organ" (as you put
>it).

There is certainly no need as such bring forth genetically related 
children from a marriage.  However, I would claim that a healthy 
sexual relationship is a legitimate and reasonable part of one's 
relationship with one's lover or mate.  I do believe that it can be
neither unreasonable nor overtly sexist (nor homophobic) for a person 
to prefer, say, penile-vaginal intercourse.  In that case, I think 
a requirement for a gender-specific organ would not be unreasonable.

>It's fine to have preferences, but let's be careful not to fall into
>the biology-is-destiny-so-gays-are-perverts line of argument.

I didn't intend to say *that*!  

>And this all greatly over-rates the importance of sex in marriage.
>Even the most energetic and enthusiastic couple can't explore each
>other's gender-specific organ all day, every day, for years.

Nor did I intend to say *this*!  There is so much more to a relationship
than mere sex.  However, I think it is also unreasonable to exclude
sex from the discussion all together.

>Eventually the relationship will depend on factors that have nothing
>to do with gender, like the parties' mutual affection and respect and
>their history together.

Yep.  All these things have nothing to do gender.  

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM			``Out of a misty dream
(408) 862-5452			Our path emerges for a while, then closes
						Within a dream.'' -- E. Dowson
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American Media Image
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <13vhrlINNmk0@network.ucsd.edu> hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Bryan Hirota) writes:
>>Miyoshi Umeki, the Japanese entertainer Arthur Godfrey imported to replace
>>his Hawaiian star, Haleoke, lasted only the 1955 season on his TV show. TV
>>had no further interest in her until she won an Oscar in the 1957 movie
>>"Sayonara."  But when TV finally found something else for her to do, it
>>was the minor part of housekeeper Mrs. Livingston on "The Courtship of
>>Eddie's Father."

>Note, in the movie, a similar part was filled by a caucasian actress. The
>show was based on the movie.

Bryan's point is not that a Japanese woman played a housekeeper but that
that was no place for an OSCAR winning actress who is also Japanese.
If she was not a proven talent (note OSCAR winning), he may not have had
a complaint about Miyoshi Umeki playing that part.

At least the American entertainment industry recognized her by awarding
her an Oscar.  They are not obliged to give the award just because
the person deserves it.  It is too bad Ms. Umeki could not find a respectable
job later.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: S.C.A.A Party -- August 6
Originator: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:34:02 GMT

Hey Everyone!
	Come join the second San Francisco Bay Area s.c.a.a gathering
on Thursday, August 6, in the evening.  (The wide distribution is in
case anyone's travel plans bring them out this way.)  Our special guest
Texan will be Andrew Chin.  Tentative plans are for a barbeque at
Stanford (or a low-key restaurant nearby) followed by bowling.  (Don't
worry if you can't bowl.  I can't either.  On the other hand, don't
worry about being too good, because Patsy's rumored to be amazing.) If
you are interested, please send me email, and I will keep you posted as
events shape up.
						--Alan Hu
P.S.  Show up and meet the people behind the posts!
P.P.S.  The first party went quite well, with 9 s.c.a.a luminaries turning
up to meet equally-illustrious-but-more-prolific special guest Texan
Jim Pak.  We had an extravagent Italian dinner at a trendy Palo Alto
restaurant, followed by gourmet ice cream.  Then we retired to a stunning
apartment (:-) to those who were there) in Menlo Park for conversation
into the early hours of the morning.
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