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From: allenmk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Allen Melinda Kay)
Subject: International Circle
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:25:14 GMT

This note is intended for Germans living in or near Boulder, Colorado who are
interested in meeting other internationals in the area, and in developing
friendships with Americans.  Every Friday evening, there is a meeting called
the "International Circle."  We start out just talking one-on-one, getting to
know each other and giving those who need it an opportunity to practice their
English.  Then we have dinner together, and finally we have a presentation or a
Bible Study of some sort--you do not have to stay for this part of the evening
if you do not wish to.  It's a lot of fun, so if you would like more
information, contact me at the e-mail address below.

Melinda K. Allen
-- 
Melinda K. Allen                  The LORD is close to the brokenhearted 
allenmk@ucsu.colorado.edu       and saves those who are crushed in spirit.   
allenmk@tramp.colorado.edu			               Psalm 34:18 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: German Blood
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:04:51 GMT

lencinas@rikvax.riken.go.jp writes:

>born in Germany, but rather by possessing German "Blood".

I think this is a misunderstanding of the latin term "Ius Sanguis" (right
of blood) as opposed to "Ius Solis" (right of the soil). Citizenship in
Germany is based on the first, and this means, depends on your parents'
citizenship (rather than the country of birth of upbringing).

>All The other major Western countries -The United States, Canada, Britain,
>France- base citizenship on birth, residence or naturalization.

As far as I know, most english speaking countries base their citizenship on
"Ius Solis" rather than "Ius Sanguis", while most other European countries
base it on the latter. In France and Britain, as far as I know, both con-
cepts now find some regard.

German citizenship is based on birth. Naturalisation is possible, and natu-
ralized Germans are full citizens like anybody else. Citizenship by resi-
dence is indeed nonexistent.

I know that quite a number of young people of (e.g.) turkish extraction who
spent all their lifes in Germany have been naturalized on application (one
of them was so happy about this that he volunteered for the army a year la-
ter 8-( ). One big problem is, however, that none of these people is _enti-
tled_ to citizenship, so it all depends on the good will of the local offi-
cers.

Oliver
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: tim@spatial.uucp (Tim Eckert)
Subject: State Church in Germany?
Organization: Argonne National Lab, Ill
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:37:29 GMT

I heard a few days ago that the Lutheran church, or some denomination
of Lutheran church, is the state church of Germany.  This really
surprised me.  I thought Germany had the same policy, or close to the 
same, as the US when it came to religion.  In other words, freedom of
religion and no state religion.  Anyone know anything about this?

Tim Eckert

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Subject: Re: German Birth Certificate/Help Translating
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 12:07:11 GMT

reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:

>I need to translate my birth certificate to english.  

>ist am                                   : born on
>geburtsurkunde                           : birth certificate
>Anderungen des Geburtsseintrags : keine  : changes to the birth (entry?):
                                             none
>In Vertretung:                           : (this is difficult, it means
                                             there is normally another
                                             person in charge for this
                                             type of certificates, here
                                             you find the name of the
                                             person who helped out)
>Scherer                                  : simply a name

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From: osg@aeglos.hanse.de (Oliver Giessler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Aeltere Banknoten
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:46:14 GMT
Reply-To: osg@aeglos.hanse.de (Oliver Giessler)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Apr11.195457.4991@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> (soc.culture.german), pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer) writes:

> ...
> Ich bin sicher, dass die alten 5-Mark-Stuecke kein Zahlungsmittel mehr
> sind und auch bei keiner Bank mehr umgetauscht werden. Haben sie einen Wert,
> der ueber den Wert ihres Silbergehalts hinausgeht?

Also, die Banken tauschen die alten 5-Mark-Stuecke noch, aber teilweise macht
man da ein schlechtes Geschaeft. Denn einige der alten 5er sind schon einiges
Wert. Leider habe ich keinen Muenz-Katalog mit Sammlerpreisen ...

mfg
Oliver

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Oliver Giessler - Kulenwisch 12- W 2000 Hamburg 63 - Germany
Fax: +49 40 538 47 68   -  eMail: osg@aeglos.hanse.de
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 13:28:02 CDT
From: <K111118@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Frankfurt:Infobase:Priv.Zimmer

Hallo|
Wir sind zwei Studenten aus Linz und w}rden gerne die Infobase besuchen.
Da es wahrscheinlich schwierig sein wird, g}nstige Schlafpl{tze auszumachen,
versuchen wir auf diesem Weg, Adressen f}r Privatzimmer zu erhalten.
MfG  Walter Birklbauer
k111118@alijku11.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 23:39:34 -0400 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Serbians vs. Croatians (was Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey)
	<1940@ra.nrl.navy.mil>

I feel sure you are honest in your beliefs (about the goodness of the
Serbs) but I really don't have either the time or the inclination to
discuss that much further.

When I was a little boy learning my History of France I was always told
that the bad nasty Germans and the bad nasty Austro-Hungarians had
provoked WWI by attacking poor small helpless Serbia.  In WWII I learned
that the Germans had made a separate State of Croatia (a fascist one, it
is true, and under Italo-German influence -- but what choice did they
have ?  it was maybe the first time in their history that someone helped
them against the much stronger Serbs) and after war's end I learned that
the Serbian Royalists had tried throughout the war to exterminate the
Serbian Communists with the help of the German army -- but since the
Germans lost the war it was the Serbian Communists who in the end
practically exterminated the Serbian Royalists (with the help of some
Croats like Tito himself -- still, the free for all was mainly a Serbian
affair, according to what I know.) 

A gentle nation, the Serbs ?  Look at the ravaged land of Croatia, look
at places like Dubrovnik, look at what they (the Serbs again and always)
are doing right now in Bosnia-Herzegovina.  



         
                   
       Oh! la belle affaire              Drei Tage war der Vater krank. 
          de ne m'appeler ni Ferns              Jetzt trinkt er wieder...
           ni Farnkraut
         mais Fouge`res !                       Gott sei Dank !
From: MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu ()
Subject: Re: German Blood
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:53:07 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr10.184331.1@rikvax.riken.go.jp> lencinas@rikvax.riken.go.jp writes:

> 
> extract from:
> 
> 	  "The inmigration Challenge is harder for Germans"
> 
> (International Herald Tribune) 10.4.92
> 
> ..The bad problem Germany faces is the tension provoked by the inmigration 
> issue. This has a particular character in Germany because Germany bases
> nationality on "blood" rather than on residence. You are not a German by being
> born in Germany, but rather by possessing German "Blood".
> This writer, who speaks no German, who has never lived there and whose only 
> connection with Germany is that his paternal grandparents left Baden for the 
> United States a century aago, has a better legal claim  on German citizenship
> than the child of a Turkish worker in Germany, born in Germany, educated
> there, culturally German and speaking no other language than German.
> This is the East European conception of nationality, based on ethnic origin 
> rather than on secular citizenship, and the source of much grief in that part
> of the world. ....
> ...
> All The other major Western countries -The United States, Canada, Britain,
> France- base citizenship on birth, residence or naturalization.
> All are ethnically diverse and historically have been inmigrant nations or,
> as in Britain's case, have recently become so. As immigrant societies or 
> former colonial pwers, all have long been accustomed to racial and cultural
> diversity. All take for granted social and cultural assimilation of the
> inmigrant.
> There is little to be done to alter the German position, deeply imbedded
> in its history and in German cultural assumptions. 
> 
> ....
> Immigration now is a major issue in the politics of all of Western Europe
>  It is more dangerous in Germany than anywhere else because of the ethnic
> or "racial" assumptions about nationality that have always been made in that
> country. This imposes a heavy responsibility on the German political class.
> 
> 
> International Herald Tribune.
> (c) Los Angeles Times Syndicate


That is exactly, what I'm trying to tell to my dear german friends.
Maybe Germany should copy that from the USA, like they do with everythinhg.....

Regards, MUTLU
From: markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Drug Policy in the FRG (from Drogenpolitik in der BRD)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:12:59 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South
NNTP-Posting-Host: sagredo.west.sun.com

I certainly understand the argument that compares the hazzards of cannabis
with those of alcohol.  What I don't understand, however, is what specific
provisions of the German constitution might be violated by such a singular
prohibition.

In the USA, most of the drug laws are "State" rather than "Federal" and so
are readily subject to popular vote.  There are a couple of states where
personal Cannabis use has been "decriminalized", in each case as the result
of a popular initiative/referendum (law changes made by the people rather 
than by the legislature).

The Federal Government has very little jurisdiction in such matters because
of the tenth ammendment of the "Bill of Rights":

	The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
	nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
	respectively, or to the people.
	
Federal legislation must be justified by a constitutional mandate for
Congressional authority.  Many of the anti-drug laws have been based on the
first and third powers of Congress:

	To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay
	the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare
	of the United states.

	To regulate commerce with foreigh nations, and among the several
	States, and with the Indian tribes.

Legal drugs (like alcohol) were regulated by imposing a tax on them, and then
creating the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fire Arms" to "ensure that the
tax laws were complied with".  Illegal drugs are regulated by prohibiting their
transfer across state boundaries.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: Erdbeben
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:23:28 GMT

dhey@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann) writes:

>Hat jemand naehere Informationen zum Thema? Gab es grossen Sach-
>schaden? Wie stark hat die Erde denn gewackelt? Hat man es auch
>noch weitab vom Epizentrum spueren koennen? Gab es eine Panik?
>Haben die Atomkraftwerke das Erdbeben unbeschadet ueberstanden?

Weil ich's schonmal getippt habe...

[...]
die Mail kam zwar etwas verstuemmelt an (dafuer zweimal), aber ich denke,
ich weiss, worum es geht 8-). Ja, es hat ein Erdbeben gegeben, Staerke 5.5
nach Videotext (ARD/ZDF und NOS-TT) bzw. 5.7 nach Tagesthemen. Epizentrum
war 10km suedlich von Roermond, und da sind die Schaeden wohl teilweise
erheblich, etwa 40 Verletzte und einige Herzanfaelle. 200 Wohnungen sind dort
nicht mehr benutzbar. In Deutschland ist Heinsberg am staerksten betroffen,
dort sind auch Haeuser schwer beschaedigt und Leute von Dachziegeln getrof-
fen worden. Den Altenheimen gingen die Sedativa aus, eine Frau in Bonn
erlag einem Herzanfall, hier in Aachen broeckelte einigen Leuten der Putz
von den Waenden und Regale brachen zusammen, mehr ist aber nicht passiert.
Vom Koelner Dom und vom Aachener Rathaus sind ein paar Spitzen herunterge-
kommen, und um das Philosophische Institut (Altbau) ist jetzt ein Bauzaun,
wahrscheinlich aus dem naemlichen Grund. In der vergangenen Nacht scheint
es noch ein paar (schwaechere) Nachbeben gegeben zu haben, aber darueber
habe ich noch nichts gelesen.

Nachtrag: Nachbeben ja, Staerke 3.3-4.1 auf der Richterskala, weitere Nach-
beben werden in den naechsten Monaten werden erwartet. Zu den Atomkraftwer-
ken: eines im Erdbebengebiet hat sich auf Anraten seines Seismographen
zwei Bloecke seiner selbst abgeschaltet; nach dem Beben wurden sie alle
abgeschaltet und auf Schaeden ueberprueft. Man hat aber noch nichts gefun-
den, und die Betreiber sagen, die Geraete seien auch auf solche Beben
ausgelegt. Angeblich ist die Genehmigung fuer Muelheim-Kaerlich u.a.
deshalb nicht erteilt worden, weil es nur bis zur Staerke 8 auf der Rich-
terskala ausgelegt war.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.)
Subject: Re: Erdbeben u. Autobahn
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:49:00 GMT

In article <kumnnuINN1qo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes...
> 
> Beim grossen Erdbeben in San Francisco von 1989 wurden etwa
> 200 Autofahrer zur Pastete als die obere Chausee der sogenannten
> "Cypress Freeway Structure" zerbroeckelte.   Gibt's in D.
> solche "Mehrschichtenfreeways" ?????

Nur zur Richtigstellung:  die ersten Berichte erwaehnten 200 Tote, in Wirklich-
keit kamen um die 50 Leute ums Leben.

Chris W
From: PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: CNN Reports...
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:01:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

CNN VIEWS & NEWS ON THE EEC COUNTRIES:

CNN showed scenes from the Etna volcano and the disaster caused by the
continuing eruption and lava. Villagers seemed tired and exhausted.
According to the journalist they only hope for divine intervention as in
the past. Never the less the army determined to proceed with explosives.

Scenes from the bomb explosion in the UK.

By far  the most emphatic things though, that took place (according to
the Americans here) is the opening of Euro-Disney in Paris...They
mentioned that some French people are not that happy with the
development.

The German participation in the Iraqi Weapon Industry was another one.
Germany came up as well with the suspensions of athletic participations
in the upcoming Olympics. Actually there were  two witch-hunts mentioned:
one on the easter German athletes and another on stazi informers.

CNN World Report broadcasted from Makao said that the developments
connecting the Portuguese colony with China proceed. Another one from
Switzerland just reported that this country (not an EC member but really
near) is the center out of which guns are sent to Yugoslavia (the war
there) and Turkey (Kurdish uprising).

Scenes from the Batican City: last week before the Catholic Easter.

Report from Barcelona and preparations: The biggest Olympics ever!

And one Question: What is the Labor Party going to do in the UK?

There were no news observed on Ireland, Greece, Denmark, Benelux.
                                           As seen by Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: sl55050@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SauWai )
Subject: A Short Survey For International Students, Like To Check It Out?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:58:04 GMT


Hi,
	I'm doing a research about international students and their life in 
US.  I would appreciate it very much if you can take a few minutes and answer
the following questions as truthfull as you can.  Thank you very much.


1. Did you have any problems with communication?(language barrier) (Y or N)
2. Did you have difficulties meeting friends? (Y or N)
3. Did you encounter any major financial problems? (Y or N)
4. Did you experience any academic problems due to the new learning environment?(Y or N)
5. Have you heard of the counseling service for international students on you
   campus? (Y or N)

   Suppose you have heard about it and decided to go to seek counseling help:

6. Would you have a preference to have a counselor who has the same ethnic 
   background as you do? (Y or N)
7. Would you have a preference over the gender of your counselor? (Y or N)
8. Would you like to have "peer counseling"? (Y or N)
   (Have the same background as you)
9. Do you think it is helpful for you to adapt to the new enviroment :
       a. joining an ethnic organization (Y or N)
       b. having more cultural events taking place on campus(Y or N)
       c. going to workshops such as for stress manangement, studying skill etc.
	  (Y or N)
10. Would you seek help from the counseling center if you ever encounter
    any problems such as those mentioned above?(Y or N)
11. Do you have any inputs that you like to give?

Except for question 11, you can just answer y or n.  Once again I like to thank
	you for your time.

			 			Karen Lau
					        charles@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: poser@vxcrna.cern.ch (Till Poser   ZEUS Offline)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German Blood
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:33:16 GMT
Reply-To: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA

In article <1992Apr11.035307.7994@news.unomaha.edu>, MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu writes:
> In <1992Apr10.184331.1@rikvax.riken.go.jp> lencinas@rikvax.riken.go.jp writes:
>> extract from:
>> 
>> 	  "The inmigration Challenge is harder for Germans"
>> 
>> (International Herald Tribune) 10.4.92
> 
> That is exactly, what I'm trying to tell to my dear german friends.

Letting alone the somewhat doubtful assertion of having dear German
friends around here, I'd like to point out here that it is not difficult
finding biased support for about any biased view.

> Maybe Germany should copy that from the USA, like they do with
> everythinhg.....

Oh, an outstanding idea, I think. So we'll copy the US Immigration
Service and all that entails. I just wonder what screams of outrage and
accusations of blatant racism and discrimination that'll evoke.

I am somewhat wary of easy solutions for complex problems.

But about that gratuitious sideswipe at the end, kindly make up Your
mind. Either the Germans have a distinct racist culture or they have but
a carbon copy of the USAmerican. You can't have both. Or do I have to
understand this to be an assertion that the USA has a racist culture,
too, just with different trimmings? How poignant!

> Regards, MUTLU

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From: muller@advection.engin.umich.edu (Jens Dominik Muller)
Subject: Moellemann, ein Doppelagent?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:57:06 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: muller@advection.engin.umich.edu


Erschuetterndes war heute in der New York Times zu lesen,
bzw. zu sehen. Ein Bild von Muemmelmann in einem Artikel
ueber die Machtprobe des russischen Parlaments gegen die
Regierung. Titel des Bilds: Yegor T. Gaidar, Vice Deputy
of Economics [or so] of the Russian Republic. 

Ich wusste immer schon, mit dem stimmt was nicht. Jens.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: pschauer@den.mmc.com (Paul Schauer 1-1090)
Subject: Re: Fortune articles on European protectionist sentiment
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:34:33 GMT

In article <3468@sapwdf.UUCP> Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> writes:
>
>  for many years, the germans have had their cake and eaten it too.
>  [text deleted]
>  after working here i find that one can be just as productive with 5
>  weeks of holiday as 2 and be much more relaxed, without suffering
>  from the silicon valley burnout i got when i was there.
>

After ~30 years of computerization and automation, the average US work week
has gotten longer, not shorter. Apparantly, the German work ethic can 
accomodate both high quality productivity and adequate relaxation. Indeed,
the US should take a hint.

Paul "gotta get back to work" Schauer
My opinion, not necessarily my employers.
From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: German Birth Certificate/Help Translating
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:21:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo

Hi,
I need to translate my birth certificate to english.  I did most
of it from the library but could'nt find a few words. Could someone
help me ?

The words are : (should be easy)

ist am
geburtskunde (birth something)
Anderungen des Geburtsseintrags : keine
In Vertretung:

Scherer 

Thank you,
Reno


I'm sorry if I have used this alias in any incorrect fashion.  I
am applying for permanent residency in Australia and they required
my birth certificate translated.  I was born in Germany and don't know
German.  
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