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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Summary: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:54:14 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA


It is now official.  President Bush was in my backyard Ft. Worth this
afternoon to announce he authorized to sell Taiwan 150 F-16 which
worth more than $4 billion dollars and it also saved 3000 jobs in
Texas.  Bad thing for Bush is that all the General Dynamics workers
realize that this is a pure political move and the sale probably won't
help him much in the poll.  
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Japan military power
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:55:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to an article in the International Herald Tribune (26th August
1992), "Japan shows little sign of moderating its military building,
even though the Soviet threat no longer exists". It also said that
"Japan's navy and airforce already larger than those of Australia, New
Zealand, and the Association of South East Asian Nations combined".

extracted from "Asia-Pacific Security", by Paul Dibb (the director of
the Joint Intelligence Organization in Australia).
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:10:05 GMT
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 02:24:00 GMT


>And Poor Chinese! Mainland is buying weapons from the formor USSR

Oh, yes. This reminds that I read from the Flight International that there
may be a secret deal between China and former USSR (now mainly with Ukraine
sp ?) going on--a purchase of a aircaft carrier of over 60k tons, and a
number of (possibly 30-50, I can't remember the exact number) Su-27 naval 
fighters (carrierborne multipurpose fighters). However, this allegation
was denied. Sorry, I can't remember the details. Can anybody speculate on
the prospect of the China's intension to strengthen her millitary influence
in the hot spots such as the South China Sea?

BWT, I do remember I saw a photo of that carrier in a Ukrainian dock. It
was reported that some of the advanced weapon control systems are not
planned. She will not enter service until later 90's. She is built with
the shape to provide slip-jump take-off ability for the aircraft. 

China will be the first foreign buyer of Su-27K (K is designated for the
carrierborne models, like Mig29K). Su-27 will make its first appearance in 
the coming Farnborough Airshow in UK in mid Sept.

>>afternoon to announce he authorized to sell Taiwan 150 F-16 which

I don't think China will buy, if she wants, F-16 in the sheer number of
150 or 300. F-16 is just too expensive. It costed 16 milion US$ each
several years ago. Also, it looks like Taiwan is going to replace all
her fighters--150 is really a big number for the size of an airforce.


qinyi (Qin Y)
qinyi@cs.man.ac.uk
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:52:30 GMT

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu wrote:
+yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes: 

+   To clear up your mind, you only need to understand two points.
+
+1.  China has political crimes punishable by law, which are condemned (in
+    other words, the very existence of those laws are condemned) by the
+    international community.
+
+    One very obviouse example of a political crime:  "counter-revolutionary
+    propaganda and instigation crime".
+
+    In the US, for instance, this very crime is protected by the First
+    Amendment of the Constitution.
+
+2.  Shen Tong is NOT arrested.  "Arrest" is a legal term, both in Chinese
+    and in English, which underlines certain legal procedures.  Shen Tong is
+    GRABBED, which means illegal abduction, both in Chinese and in English.
+    There's another term/procedure "detention" that frequetly used in China,
+    but Shen Tong is not even officially "detained".  He's just "grabbed"!!
+
+dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

OK, thanks for your clarification.  Let me replace all the "arrest" by 
"grab", and reinstate my questions (just use the "replace" command in emacs:-))
.  I guess "grabbed" is better than "grabed".  But let's leat it there.

-----------------------[questions start here]----------------------

I do not know who Shen Tong is, but have some simple questions about his/her 
grab:
 
 1.  Is Shen Tong the only person visiting China recently?  If not, why the
     Chinese government did not grab others?
 
 2.  Do you watch news each night?  If so, how many Americans get grabed per 
     day?  Did the Chinese government and the Chinese people get 
     Da(big)Jing(surprise)Xiao(small)Guai(starnge) on these American grabs?
 
 3.  My brother, for example, stays in CHina.  Why the Chinese government did 
     not grab him?
 
 4.  Some of my friends travel back and forth between the US and CHina almost
     on monthly basis.  Why the Chinese government did not grab them?
 
 5.  Neither the Chinese government nor the US government likes to grab me.
     Why?  I understand that I may mean nothing to some gocernments.  But to
     show you mean something, you do not have to be in custody.
 
 6.  Being protected by someone or by some organization or by some governments
     is not a hero thing.  Agree?  If those d-fighters are really
     Niu(bufflo)Pi(skin)Hong(bomb)Hong(bomg), why didn't they grab those
     CCP guys instead of being grabed by CCP?
 
 7.  Being mouth-ly strong only, does not fix anything.  Agree?
 
 
 shannon
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From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Aug25.191420.47113@news.th-darmstadt.de> D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs) writes:

>< > I am planing to have a round trip to China and I will transfer my
>< > flight at HongKong airport. Do I need to apply a HongKong visa if I
>< >just stay in airport ? I hold a Chinese passport. Thanks for any help.
>< 
If you only stay inside the special zone in the airport and do not pass the
customs, you are not considered entering the country. Therefore you don't 
need a visa at all no matter what kind of passport you are holding. This is
true in any countries in the world. 
>NO !
Please don't be so angry about this. :-) Hong Kong is not a part of China at
the moment.

>====================================================================
>J.Z.
>d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
-- 
Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: To readers of 'top 10 fashionable words'
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:09:06 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


   The week following my original posting of 'top 10 most fashionable words'
saw quite a number of responds in this group, I'm very glad that I got my
point across.  However, I donot think it is necessary to stay on the subject,
thus here are my final comments:

  1.  For those who share my point of view, many thanks.  

  2.  For those who pointed my mistake(s), many thanks.

  3.  For those who would never satisfy with my choice of title, here might be
one that you would enjoy: top 10 most fashionable words by a small group of
people in SCC which may or may not include me who is willing to expand the
title even longer to satisfy everypeople.  (Just kidding, donot take it too
hard).

  4. For those who used those words without giving much thought, I hope you
could understand that use of swear words only undermined one's credibility. 
There are more way than one that a good arguement would stand without
insulting the other party.  Please imagine how other people would feel, and
how would you feel if you were them.

  5.  For those who enjoy swearing and are proud of it, I donot care you have
limited vocabulary; or you like to imitate tough Americans; or you simply like
to throw hats at other people, you lose my respect.  THERE ARE NOTHING MORE TO
THAT.

footnotes:
  1.'hypercritic' is my original choice of word (not 'hypocrite'), although
I agree it is more or less an innocent word.  I admitted I had to fight my
impulse to use it in some of my articles.
  2. My choice of words are not the most often used ones in this group.  They
would be words like 'I', 'you', 'is, 'D-fighter', ....
  
  Here is a trivia question for you:
  What do you call a guy who only understand integer but not decimal?

  Those who belittle others belittle themselves.

  Brian saying so long, and off to other subjects.
From: I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (T. Bao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shen Tong's Showdown
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:02:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BtyKnw.932
Organization: Indiana University


It is really interesting that Shen Tong's timing to trigger the most
sensitive nerve between China and US coincided with several big things.
His wisdom and calculation was used to the best. Very impressive.
His sacrifice will definitely trade off: passage of greencard bill,
endorsement of congresspersons and Democrat's precident candidate.
No, he won't sacrifice that much because the US will take care of him
very well. That's for sure. Masters always take care of their running
dogs.

Shen is giving Bush a pair of small, yes, very small, shoes to wear. The
shoes are so small that Bush is in real miserable situation. I feel sorry
for George that even with his well established political skill he may
still lose his career in the hands of a young democrat from China. Who says
that Chinese Americans are not very good at politics?! Look at the
new immigrants from China and you will get encouraged. Some of them
may get into Clinton's cabinet. If I were Clinton, I would promote Shen
to be the embassador to Beijing. The reason: Yellow can only be beat
by Yellow ( Yi3 Huang2 Zhi4 Huang2). ;0

Well, it may be a good idea to change my major to political science so that
I can get some leftover in time. Oh, I should cover up my political
ambition. Yes, I am gonna fight for democracy and human rights in China.
The most glorious job ever existing in this confusing world.

Democracy fighter, what a beautiful name!

T. Bao
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "By Some Quirk"
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:08:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>Then the BBC goes on to say, "and then, *BY SOME QUIRK*, opium replaced
>silver as the currency with which the West paid for Chinese goods." No
>further explanation.
>(Emphasis is mine, and the quote may not be exactly right, but it's close.)

>Just can't figure out how that happened. *Awfully* strange. You would think 
>it was a much better deal for the Chinese to take silver, but, who knows 
>how these things work, they wanted opium. Go figure!
 
Western countries protected their optium trade with China, they
enforced Chinese goverment accept optium trade with them, China
had war with British in 1840, our Chinese side called this war
as Optium War(after that China lost many wars with other countris 
, lost lot of money), I at least heard of once that Chinese student
argued with his roommate because his roomate thinks the war was 
because one western priest was killed in China. 
Drug has a two-fold effect, one take our money away, two destroy
the society's health.
China's industry (esp. millitary industry) was behind other
countries, that determined China's failure in the interaction
with other countres.
A country's economy is volunrable, your can imagine what a harsh
situation China was in thereafter.
Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:35:00 GMT

In article <65500076@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
>>Your example about Deng's son actually supports my point. China is a lawless  
>>country and some people can become as crazy as wild dogs under certain  
>>circumstance. Since Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can  
>>imagine how bad they treat Tibetans.
> 
>>Carl
> 
>Mr. Carl's arguments are illogical, especilly the last one: "Since
>Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can imagine how
>bad they treat Tibetans".  
>Ze Yang

I think Mr. Ze Yang is right here. According to Carl's logic, Han's treated
Han's badly, so would treat Tibetans worse and treat foreigners the worst.
However, the logic in China is probably the opposite: the far you from
him the best he treat you. That is why foreigners are treated better
than Chinese. In a family, when there is a guest, kids is always the
one to yield. May be it is rooted in our culture.

I may be wrong. Enlight me, somebody.
c.q

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:00:24 GMT

In article <HIEBELER.92Aug27082756@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>
>  I think using vulgarities in a foreign language often shields the
>speaker/writer from feeling how bad those words are.  For example, I
>may say something vulgar in Chinese, which does not really bother me
>very much, because although I know the meaning, I do not have a very
>deep feeling from those words.  But my Chinese friend may feel very
>uncomfortable to hear those words from me, because there is more than
>just the simple meaning to them.  So I think sometimes a Chinese
>person may be flinging American vulgarities around, saying things
>which bother me quite a lot, but which the author thinks is not so
>bad.

  I think they know exactly what those words mean when they use them.
  And the No.1 word(s) is hardly a vulgar phrase.

>  Of course, I do avoid using any vulgarities in Chinese, since I do
>not want to be rude.  I wish people on SCC may try to do the same,
>rather than simply digging for the worst words possible in order to
>insult someone they disagree with.

-ping


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:14:09 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug27@> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>
>  jialin> Yes, you bet. If someone wants to sacrifice himself, fine, I respect
>  jialin> his choice; but don't ask others do the same. It's a personal choice,
>  jialin> not yours, mine or the one who tells us what's the "common good".
>
>What's wrong to ask others do the same? Even being asked, it's still your
>choice.

OK, back up a little. It's fine to ask the others to follow your
step or to sacrifice for you, but don't act surprised if they make
their own choice. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: Question about the UNIX "talk Command"
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:24:51 GMT

keith@uxmail.ust.hk (Keith H. K. Chow) writes:

>Hi there,

>	Could anyone have the idea why a SUN machine cannot talk with
>an IRIX machine via "talk" command in UNIX. I have tried thru' ULTRIX
>and worked well with IRIX. But whenever I "talk" with IRIX machine
>with SUN, it can never make but only with a message of 
>"Check for Caller's invitation ..." and the system hanged.
>	Could anyone suggest me a solution to this problem? If so,
>please send it directly to me with the following addr:
>keith@ustsu2.ust.hk

>Thank you very much for you help and many thanks in advanced!

>Best Rdgs,

>Keith.

Any experts (BIG BROTHERS) there who know this solution? Please send it to
me as well or just post it here. Many thanks in advance.

Alan of HKPA.POPSTARS.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:45:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.014713.16275@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>
>If you are a US citizen or PR, usually you can trust CCP. But if you are
>a Chinese citizen, especially living in China, I bet you won't.
>
>Tingli Pan

Wrong. As long as you hold a Chinese passport, you're a Chinese citizen.

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.113239.12546@cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave) writes:
>I'm very disappointed in Chinese people.
>
>I want to improve China, improve its people's living standard,
>improve its productivity, improve its economy, improve its
>stand in the world.  And I asked people to contribute suggestions
>to how to improve China.
>
>I got handful of constructive suggestions, but tons of noise and
>flames on ideological differences, history, general complains, or
>pure noise.
>
>I feel that Chinese nowadays like to feel pride that they belong
>to the oldest civilization in the world which still exists; but
>when asked to do something to contribute, they hold back.
>
>It seems that people don't care about China anymore, and lack
>a nationalist spirit (remember the songs you used to sing? like:
>"I am Chinese", "Desendants of Dragon", "Be a Brave Chinese"??)
>people become too comfortable in Western societies, and don't care
>less about helping their root, and blood brothers!
>
>"Drink Water, Think Source"
>
>Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
>PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
>the country!

I would also like to give you my suggestion. Go back to Hong Kong and
contribute what you know. You said you are from HK, right? Go back with
me! I'm leaving US this month. It will be wonderful to accept the 
unprecedented challenge of HK.

>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."

William Man

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China (Bill's wondering still...but no one seems to care!)
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:07:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.093322.29655@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>In article <9224514.704@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>>
>>	This is totally untrue! The Hongkong people in Australia have
>>	many social "activities", eg. some contests such as karaoke
>>	singing, poetry, and well, sports, too. There're actually more
>>	that I've never heard of - some related to the Australian 
>>	multi-culture programme. 
>>	
>
>The situation is that, if people are not from Hongkong, e.g. like me or
>others, they completely have no information or access at all to these
>activities.  I did say "as I know", which is what I know.  Sometimes,
>you may notice those programmes of culture activities in Opera House or
>Arts Centre.  I can see most of them are organised by the groups of
>non-aisan originals, e.g. Greek.  I have seen once in 1988 in Opera
>House, there was a Chinese Opera there.  
>
>If the culture activities are more for the people from the same original
>place, they are more entertainment rather than social activities.
>Because, most of the people in the society cannot access to it.
>
>By the way, they do have some activities going on in China Towns during
>Chinese New Year.  People can see those lion-dancing (Don ! Don!
>drumming), that is the impression of local people on what the Chinese
>culture is.
>
>Regards.
> 

	** Seems apparently true that all those social "activities"
	   are quite inalienable from an Australian's point of view
	   (non-asian) although they certainly are equally accessible.
	   
	   And yes, you're right.

---Cheers,
	Bill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <65500080@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
> 
>Han people maybe look down (conciously or unconciously) 
>people from a poorer enviroment just like people in any other society, 
>but that kind of attitude is not based on cultural or racial differences,
>it's purely econimic, that is understandable, it's even worse in this
>country, people look down you even if you do your work better than them,
>you are clenner than them, what can you do about it? As I stated before, 
>relatively speaking, Chinese don't care much about people's ethnic background 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and religious belief, they can co-exist with different people easily.
> 
> 
>Ze Yang

 I really doubt it. What about the word "FAN(barbarians in Chinese)".
Actually, Chinese are just like all other peoples in the world,taking 
advantage of relatively weak ethnic groups. Chinese had never been so
pease loving until the empire was defeated by Europeans. It sounds
"Ah-Q" to say that Chinese is a pease loving people and they don't care
much about people's ethnic background so that Chinese will have something
to be proud of and feel less hurt about their poverty, their freedomless and
the fact that Chinese was defeated by Europeans in almost every aspects.
Don't let ideological comforting put the people into sleep again. It's time
to wake up and show something really suuperior to the world.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: xiaos@ee.ubc.ca (xiaotian shi)
Subject: Re: Looking for 1977 classmates/Elec. Machines,EE,Zhejinag U.
Reply-To: daveg@ee.ubc.ca
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:58:38 GMT


  I am looking for my classmates who entered the Zhejiang University in
  March 1978, majored in Electrical Machines in EE and graduated in Jan.
  1982. If someone happens to know of any of the following persons, Would
  you please tell me his/her address?

     Name list:
         Xu, Xiaoliang
         Li, Baoxiong
         Shen, Jinxin,...etc.
  Thank you for your attention.
From: dliu@ark.njit.edu (Dong Liu (~{Au6+~}))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous mail
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:42:46 GMT
	<1992Sep1.054329.16052@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, NJIT
X-News-Reader: GNUS 3.14.1 for GNU Emacs 18.58.3

Internet is not a secure network, SMTP and NNTP are not secure protocol.
So it only require middle level hacker to send anonymous post and mail.
The real challenge is to send authentic mail or post. Read
comp.security.misc which is the proper group for those disscussio.

-- dong