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From: olaf@oski.toppoint.de (Olaf Schlueter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Mint & Gemini
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:03:31 MEST

adrian@robots.ox.ac.uk (Adrian Cox) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.151311.12148@sae.com> malay@sae.com (Bob Malay) writes:

>   Is it possible (has anybody tried this?) to use Mint and Gemini at the same time??
>   Can Mint startup Gemini?? 

>   Bob Malay

>I've experimented with this, and it works fine.  I have MiNT in \etc,
>using MINT_IT.  MiNT starts up GEM, then I have Gemini installed under
>the TOS 1.4 desktop to auto start.

Just want to add a few caveat's:

1. Running GEMINI with MiNT (0.93 or newer), you may occasionally
crash the system by hitting Ctrl-C (to close a window). This
is reproducable, when Gemini comes up, i.e. with the console window
closed. If you try to close a folder window then, the system crashes
immediately.

2. If you press ESC while looking at a Gemini Window (to update
the directory contents), and you have a background process working
on the same drive, the background process is killed ("Open Files
on changed disk"). Gemini uses a dirty trick to simulate a hard disk
change for updating directory info.

3. If you choose to replace the drive icons by folders on drive U:, bug 2
disappears, but you cannot longer MOVE files from one drive to another
(Gemini thinks, that everything is on one - physical - drive).

4. The twins in Gemini are different: Venus doesn't like Minix file systems,
Mupfel does. I have recompiled the Minix fs to tosify filenames on Minix
filesystems for programs running in the tos domain. Now Venus 
is satisified too.

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From: cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: problems with gcc/g++
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:04:00 GMT
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> [re templates]


Templates DO work (to a certain degree, partially limited by the inexactness
of the definition of the language).

If you RTFM, you'll see that you CANNOT "compile" a template.  That doesn't
make any sense.  A template is a *template* for creating code, not the
code itself.  The usual procedure is to #include the .cc file of the
"implementation" of the template.  When you think about it, it's all pretty
obvious (what is the compiler SUPPOSED to do with the uninstantiated 
template? - you get just what you get if you have a heap of #define macros
but no actual usage of the macros - ie. nothing).  This:

 gcc -c templ.cc

Where templ.cc is all template "implementation", is the same as compiling
the empty file (except it takes slightly longer, as the compiler reads in
all this talk about what you're GOING to do, even though you never actally
do anything).


So, try:

#include <Set.cc>

main()
{
 Set<int> MySetOfIntegers;
 ...
}


Personally, I would prefer people to use the ".t" extension for the
implementations of templates, but how would I ever get that?


Also, by now you've probably realized "Hey, but I'll get copies of the
same code in every module that imports Set.cc", which will then clash
at link time.  Correct.  The solution to this is beyond the scope of
the language however - it is an environmental concern of how to only
create one copy of an instantiation of a template.  How can the
compiler know what other modules.o you have written that have used
whatever templates? The general solution, is to only #include the .h of
the template (the definition) in every module of the project you are
working on, then writing a single module that instantiates all the
classes and templates you need.  How you do this may range from simply
seeing what link-time errors you get, through manual or automatic
source-based analysis of what instantiations of a template you make,
all the way to a more powerful linker that can generate, as an option,
the module that instantiate all the missing implementations (this, I
believe, is the correct solution, but whose to write it...).  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: The new Multi-TOS ....
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 05:32:24 GMT

Atari developer told news of MultiTOS progress (over 70% software now
running is good?)


To   : Edward Kovarski
From : John Cole at H.A.U.G. BBS (Node #74)
Subj : Re: <16563> MultiTOS

 Previously Edward Kovarski wrote:
 > Mr. Rider. Are we still having trouble digesting the fact that MTOS is n
 > what you claim it to be and that I received a copy of FoReM PC for *free
 >
 > BTW, try it on a good 'ol ST/E and then give me a rave review about it.

    As one of the people on the Multitos distribution list, I do have the
latest version of MultiTOS and it has NOT reached version 1.0!  It does
work well on a STe, and a suprising number of programs work with it.  In
fact, well over 70% of the programs I have run!  Updates for MTOS are
happening at a fantastic rate and it is improving to a finished prouduct
surprisingly fast.  Remember that most other OS versions probobly has
similar problems that your 'beta' version has.

   This prouduct is currently under development by Atari and while it seems
that Atari has chosen to be slightly more vocal about this project than
most others, developers should not be talking in-depth about this project,
nor handing it out to people who have not been cleared by Bill Rehbock at
Atari.  

   Your critisism of MTOS is highly premature.  There are inherent problems
with soft-loaded OS, as MTOS is currently.  People who use softloaded
versions of TOS run those at thier own risk!  Almost no developer recomends
using softloaded TOS 1.0 to solve compatiblty problems, since this places a
hard disk at a grave risk.  

   If you were given MTOS in confidence, please keep that confidence and
dont disclose info about MTOS prematurely.  I've already streached myself
more than I feel comfortable, so I'll be quiet now ;-)

John Cole
Lexicor Software
From: hjb@levi.th.vu.nl (Hendrik Jan Bosman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GIF to DEGAS converter, does it exist?
Keywords: GIF DEGAS
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:44:02 GMT
Organization: Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Faculty Of Theology

Does anybody know of a (PD) program that converts .gif pictures into
Degas-format pictures (.PI3)? The reason I ask: I have just found this
nice little program that replaces the boring grey background canvas
of the TOS desktop with a Degas-picture. Converting .gif to Degas
would render an almost infinite number of possible backgrounds, since
there must be thousands of gifs around.

Thanks, Hendrik Jan Bosman (hjb@th.vu.nl)
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Something (?) Magazine
Keywords: where?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:05:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Jul22.181555.22484@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> rrk@vixen.uucp (24115-kutz) writes:
>Two months or so ago I sent $11 to a new magazine outfit
>(who I have learned came about as a result of an ST Informer split)
>and they sent me a magazine (May issue, I believe).  Does anyone know
>if that is it?  Or should I expect yet another issue any day now?

Yes, yes, it's coming.  You should get it any day now.  I haven't gotten
mine either, but they've been shipped.  It has the Falcon pre/review in
it.

Apparently, it's been labeled the June/July issue, but you will still get
12 issues to your subscription.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wwc@vsnhd1.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander)
Subject: Re: 14,400 bps terminal program
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:21:41 GMT

Hi,

you asked for a terminal program that is able to install a 14.4 kbps setting.
Under normal circumcances this is not very usefull as the flowcontrol between
modem and computer will handle the problems which are seen at first sight.

Nevertheless the terminal CoNnect  can handle 14.4 kbps on Modem2 and Serial 2 
of a TT or Mega STE.

Of course it is capable of VT100, Vt220, and ANSI...

   Wolfgang
   .

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: PageStream fire extinguished
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:09:44 GMT


Well, after reading many an e-mail and followup from people who had PGS
2.2 working under a setup very similar to mine, I decided that I had
to try one more time to use PageStream 2.2.

I copied the files back from my storage area to my work disk and did
the necessary gymnastics to insure it was properly set up.  I then
selected a file that I had not tried to print previously.  I chose
print.  I chose OK.  IT PRINTED!!!

Hmm.  Okay.  Now, what about that file that had been giving me all the
trouble.  I loaded it.  Selected print.  Selected OK.  IT PRINTED!!!

Well, I don't know what I did, though I have my suspicions.  Anyone
who works with computers knows that there is no surer road to paranoia
than a bug that disappears for no good reason.  But, I can't argue
with success, so...

Here's looking for a beautiful friendship with PGS 2.2.

Oh, and does ANYBODY have any idea how to shrink the toolbox window to
a REASONABLE size in med res?  That extra inch of waste drives me
crazy!

Joe
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From: klassa@aurs01.UUCP (John Klassa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Sozobon C
Keywords: Sozobon
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:38:29 GMT
Reply-To: klassa%aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (John Klassa)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

Hi-

I recently obtained sozo133i.zoo, sozobon.zoo, sozoinit.zoo and sozosun.zoo
from a mail server in the Netherlands (I don't have FTP access).

Questions:

	1.	Is this all I need to get started (I would imagine that
		sozosun.zoo isn't even necessary)?
	2.	If not, what else do I need and where can I get it?
	3.	Is Sozobon C even worth the trouble to set up?

Thanks in advance...
John
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PD Hard Drive Backup?
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:52:07 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:

>Hello there! Since I'm about to receive my first ST Hard drive (it's in a
>tower case with a 4 Meg ST :)) I'm going to need some kind of hard drive 
>backup program. I can't really afford to buy one, but there appears to be
>a plethora of Public Domain stuff around, so to save me trying them out,
>could people mail me telling me which they think is best and why? I'll
>post a summary to the net when I get the info. Thank in anticipation...


"The Vault" is excellent.


But has anyone seen "The Key" - the program for joining files Vault has had
to split across disks (I just don't let it split them for now).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett)
Subject: Re: Atari Something (?) Magazine
Keywords: Atari, Advantage, magazine, ST Informer
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:53:05 GMT

>rrk@vixen.uucp (24115-kutz) writes:
>I have also been having a subscription problem with Atari Explorer and
>it *appears* that ST Connection is no longer in production. (I received
>two issues out my six-issue subscription.) 

That matches my experience too.  They sent it to me for free for a
while (I guess because I sent them some disks of stuff) and when I
finally decided to make myself an "official subscriber" and sent them
money for a two year subscription, I soon stopped getting issues!
(Some thanks, huh?)

Dave Baggett
dmb@wam.umd.edu
From: MEBEB@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon price and poss. release date?
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:49:14 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

Hmm, I hope the Falcon 030 will be upgradeable to the higher specced Falcon.
Whilst I'm about ready to upgrade now, I'd be reluctant to go to the Falcon if
I'd need to sell it and buy a new machine 6 months later.

Kev
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From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon again!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:05:41 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

More info about the Falcon again!
(This time from ST Format)

The Falcon will have a 1.44 Mb drive and will be in the same case as an 1040
STE. It will also have a SCSI 2 port rather than DMA. (can anyone tell me
what the difference is between SCSI and SCSI 2?).
It will have a 10-channel 16-bit sound chip (this doen't mean much to me
because I no nothing about music!) with MIDI In and Out, with Through being 
available via the Out port.
Graphics should be good with 30 screen modes, 16 million (!!!!!!!) colours.
RAM will be upgradable to 16 megs (don't know what it will start at).
It will be more compatible with the ST than either the Mega STE or the TT
(good news to me!)
The processor will be a 68030 (speed unknown) with a Motorola DSP56001 chip.
This will make the thing run much faster so I'm told but again I have no idea
about this kind of thing.
All this and probably more for only 550 English pounds. (note the English :-)
Phil
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ksagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros (Inf4 - hiwi))
Subject: Civilization ?
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:54:24 GMT

Hello,

this might have been asked before, but is there a version of the Micropose Game
Civilzation for the ST??

Konstantin
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From: mz.maus.de!Pierre_Hansen@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Using Ghostscript fonts in Pag
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:17:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

CALAMUS fonts in Pagestream would not be legal at all.

Regards Pierre (@DMC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rob@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Robert Alley)
Subject: Sound sampling on STe
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:45:22 GMT


I havent been tuned in to this newsgroup for a while and I am no great
technician, so excuse me if this is out of date or silly.

The STe's include analog joystick ports, which I assume means they have
a couple of A to D converters in there somewhere.  Would it be possible
to use these for sampling sounds?  My thought was that it would just be
possible to hook up and audio source to one of these and sample away,
possibly requiring some sort of buffer circuit.  Any reasons why
this cant be done?  If not, has anyone done it, if so, what hardware and
software did you use?


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From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fax software
Keywords: fax, modem
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:37:47 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

I wanted to thank all those who have responded to my question
about being able to use a regular (not-specifically-fax) modem
as a modem via some special software.  100% of the responses
have said "NO" in some form or another.
The only reason I asked the question in the first place was
that a friend of mine (who is not necessarilly all that
computer-literate) believes he read an article about some new
software in the msdos world that in fact does let one use a
regular modem to send faxes.  Oh well, either he's wrong, or
it just isn't available for other platforms yet....OR, there's
something slightly more going on.
--Gerry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cctony@sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Tony Reynolds)
Subject: Fixed my own UW problems
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:26:12 GMT


I grabbed emula.lzh from atari.archive, put it and uw on a floppy,
and again, *WHAM* this time it works.  I'm running Emacs from a uw
terminal and mudding at the same time.

Thanks to everyone who helped.  This is a beaut!



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From: eker@loria.crin.fr (Steven Eker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.music,rec.music.synth
Subject: New freeware sequencer for ATARI-ST released
Keywords: MIDI, Atari ST
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:42:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: CRIN (CNRS) Nancy - INRIA Lorraine

I've just released version 1.1 of my freeware sequencer "EKSEQ1" for
the Atari ST(e).

Feature list:
	o  GEM based, colour/mono, only 512K RAM needed.
	o  100 tracks, 240ppqn.
	o  Multi-track recording using separate MIDI channels.
	o  Soft-thru with optional channel switching.
	o  Realtime note-on event graphs for Midi in/out.
	o  Copy and move operations with replace, merge and multicopy options.
	o  Quantise, randomise, transpose, invert and erase operations
		which can apply to chosen range of time and/or tracks.
	o  All operations can be modified by MIDI filter.
	o  Graphic editing.
	o  Event list editing.
	o  All operations/editing multi-task with record/playback.
	o  MIDIfile compatible load/save.
	o  MIDI mixer allows volume to be set for each channel during playback.

Availability:
	I've uploaded it to atari.archive (ftp: atari.archive.umich.edu)
& emailed it to the moderators of comp.binaries.atari.st (the USENET newsgroup)
& the cs.ruu.nl archive (ftp: archive.cs.ruu.nl, mail-server:
mail-server@cs.ruu.nl).

Steven
From: mz.maus.de!Pierre_Hansen@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Calamus font trouble
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:15:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

I don't think this kind of diskussion is funny at all. Deserialising fonts is
illegal and DMC will not watch this without taking action.

Pierre Hansen (@DMC)
From: sgc@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Simon Carling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: readline.olb
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:21:55 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.

In article <1992Jul21.151000.10815@sae.com> malay@sae.com writes:

>This library (readline.olb) is in my c:\lib directory, but I can't remember
>where it came from and what source created it. I know that I didn't build it -
>so it must of come from a ".zoo" file. Anybody know what this lib is??

>Bob Malay

I would guess it's probably the GNU readline library, which can be
compiled into command line driven programs to enable an emacs- (or
vi-) like line editor and command history. Software which uses this
interface (on the ST anyway) includes bash and the latest version
of gnuplot.

Cheers,
Si.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Falcon
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:48:36 GMT


One atari rep' (I think it WAS Bob Brodie) said that the Falcon would
not be fully ready for release, until most probably some time in the
1st quarter of 1993.  SOunds like an interesting machine, cross
between the STE & TT.  Supports most of the TT's screen modes, and can
show a rather large amount of colours on the screen at once.  Has the
blitter, an 030 chip (running at 33Mhz) and all the other STE's stuff.

If anyone has access to FNET, send a private E-Mail to Bob Brodie
himself! (although, an informative reply is unlikely)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@r-node.gts.org (Mike Stramba)
Subject: HERMES
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) 24hrs.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:13:27 GMT

Is anyone here running hermes ?

When I start up gus.prg, then choose send mail or post news I get prompted
for the header info, then mmail starts up and nothing happens after.

When /how do I put the content of the article/ mail in?

How do I actually send / receive to a site?