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From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:32:22 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
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In article <1992Aug18.102855.24248@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> schoof@dec8.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof) writes:
>From article <#q9m+ph@lynx.unm.edu>, by blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.):
>> In article <DSTAug17.094903.1136@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>>>This really is the great tragedy of the soccer which eventually will be
>>>noticed by people all around. Well, maybe not in the countries where it is
>>>almost the only sport like in south America. In soccer one can only see
>>>_failures_! The goals are very rare and this is also the reason why the
>>>FIFA is discussing about the subject of enlargening the size of goals to
>>>give the audience more positive experiences. But the leaders are too old
>>>to accept anything new there.
>> 
>> AIEEE! Is this really true? Ruin a perfectly good game that 3/4 of the
>> worlds population is insane over just because the US television 
>> audience wants to see more goals? Please tell me this isn't true!
>> r.
>> 
>
>Agreed! Seems that the americans absolutely need scores like 42-37. I
>don't wonder any longer why they give six points for a TD in football.
>If the only thing you want to see is goals try handball! I saw matches
>tied 0-0 that were really interesting. I really don't want to damn all
>americans, but I hate it when people knowing only few about a topic
>want their ideas of 'improvement' realised. The fact is that soccer
>is one of the few games with the idea not only to score goals, but to
>keep the opponent from scoring. Enlarging the goals is a silly idea,
>because soccer already has the biggest goals of all sports (or are you
>thinking of a second goaly ;-) ??), so one day you'll have a 70m x 20m
>goal (the whole line) and americans would be happy: Not the slightest
>difference to football!
>
>Jochen Schoof                    schoof@sundae.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de
>Lehrstuhl f. Informatik II +-----------------------------------------------
>Universitaet Wuerzburg     | It's worse than that: he's dead, Jim!  -Bones

Before posting such silly things, i.e., generalizations about
"americans", a university-linked thinker might consider the words of
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe,

  "We know accurately only when we know little; with knowledge, doubt
   enters."

If inappropriate rule changes are made, they are the responsibility of
those who make them, not any particular national group.
From: fs@cam-orl.co.uk (Ferdi Samaria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 & New Rules
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:09:06 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England.

In article <1992Aug12.095218.3206@fuw.edu.pl>, michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

|> If you admit that WC'90 were quite boring, then it is mysterious
|> to me, why you don't ask yourself: WHY was it boring?
|> For pure coincidence? C'mon, that's ridiculous.

Michal (sorry for mispelling your name last time),

I think that one of the reasons that Italy 90 was below expectations
was that some of the top teams were "old", ie still relying on players
almost at the end of their professional careers.

This was the case for Germany (Matthaus, Brehme, Buchwald), Argentina
(which in the key roles had WC86 players), Holland (with almost
exactly the EC88 squad), Italy (Zenga, Vialli, Giannini). 

In any case, Italy 90 offered some games (England-Cameroon, Italy-England,
Holland-Germany to mention a few) with lots of excitement. Certainly the final
was not up to the standards.

|> I never said the new backpass rule was the ideal cure for
|> anything. I just said that apparently it did its job, and
|> I still think so. BTW, what are your arguments against this
|> rule, other than your own conservatism?

Our league starts in October, so I have not had the chance yet to play
with the new rule. However, I have played with the old rules for many
years (up to semi-pro level back in Italy) and I never came across other players or teams complaining about the rules.

I have no objections to change, it just worries me that the present tendency
to modify the existing rules is not a consequence of Italy 90 but of USA 94.

|> Regards.
|> 
|> Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
|> (michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.

-- 
Regards,

Ferdi.
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From: craa26@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( J.McAllister)
Subject: Re: a simple question...
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:21:33 GMT

In article <Bt8KyA.7q3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych) writes:
|> While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
|> is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
|> the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
|> "traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
|> said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
|> answer...
|> 
|> Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


The arc is 10 yards from the penalty spot. When a penalty is taken all 
players apart from the goalkeeper and the penalty taker must be outside the
penalty box and at least 10 yards from the penalty spot. This arc ensures 
this condition is satisfied. A foul occuring inside this arc but not actually
inside the penalty area is NOT a penalty.

John McAllister
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Subject: PBM - how many leagues are running?
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:09:19 GMT

I know there are a large number of play by e-mail sports leagues in
general but I'm curious how many football/soccer leages there are.  I know
of two, one of which I play in:

1.  UEFL (United Electronic Football League) - plays 1 season for each
	academic year (skips the northern hemisphere Summer season).
2.  EEFL (Experimental Electronic Footbal League) - plays year `round with 
	roughly 3 seasons in two calendar years.  This is the one I play in
	and currently has 84 teams managed by players in Australia, New 
	Zealand, England, Scotland, Canada, United States, Tasmania, Faroe
	Islands, Germany, Finland, Sweden, and more countries that I can't 
	remember at the moment.

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From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Re: ** is rudd gullit south-american? **
Keywords: god bless south-american soccer
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:46:41 GMT

In <1992Aug18.220059.4031@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:


>i mean born in suriname (south-america).  i have conflicting info
>about it.  first i heard that he was born in suriname and moved to 
>holland when he was a little boy.  then, i read he was born in europe
>but his father was from suriname.  but last week-end while i was watching
>some sport tournaments going on in holland it was a runner from suriname 
>and the commentator added -"..the land of holland's #1 soccer star: rudd 
>gullit".  

>is that true?, is gullit south-american like d'steffano, pele & maradona?

Ruud Gullit is Dutch, yes, like Johan Cruyff. He is born in Amsterdam (I
thought) and his father is Surinam. So now you know why he is in the
Dutch national team...

>ruben mazzulla

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From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US News and stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:56:19 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Extension Service, Corvallis, OR

In article <1992Aug14.161145.25822@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) wries:
>D'Allessandro who moved over to Betis in July.

>Cobi Jones and Mike Lapper will get their first shot at the big time when
>they accompany the US National on their tour of Italy.  I believe that it
>will mark the debut of both players for the National team.

This is good news! Cobi Jones was clearly the one bright point for
the US in the Olympics. 

>It what has to be a great honor for an American, Claudio Reyna was invited to
>train with FC Barcelona at its preseason camp in Odoorn, Netherlands.  Lets
>hope he impresses so that they might put hin in some sort of farm system for 
>their younger players.

Does this mean that Reyna will not be returning to play with the 
University of Virginia this year? Good news for NC State!

Kevin Gamble (kgamble@oes.orst.edu)
From: eric@cs.utexas.edu (Eric Thomas Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: another early termination question
Date: 13 Aug 1992 01:18:21 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

	I have a related question (sort of) to the one that was posted a
while back concerning early termination of a match.  I was watching
several matches this evening at an under 18 tournament, and the last
round of matches started around 6:30.  Well, around 8:15 it was really
dark.  I mean, it was almost impossible to see either the ball or the other
players.  (Obviously, these fields didn't have any lights.)  What was
the rule again about the referee stopping a match early?  If the referee
decided that it was dangerous to continue the match, could he stop it
with about 10 minutes left to go?  What is the exact rule about this?
	I'd also like to throw in that they were using the new backpass
rule at this tournament, which is the first time I have been able to see
it actually in place.  I think the referees were having some trouble
with it, because I saw several blatant violations that weren't called.
However, it may be possible that the referees didn't know about the
addition to the rule that disallows ANY backpass, including the chest,
the head, or any other part of the body.  It seemed to be headers that
weren't getting called.  It was interesting to watch, however.

				Eric Brown
				eric@cs.utexas.edu
From: fs@cam-orl.co.uk (Ferdi Samaria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 & New Rules
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:09:28 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug14.085012.2529@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin) writes:
|>       ............................
|> 	I don't claim to be a football expert, just a lover of the game.
|> It is exactly this kind of drivel that draws all the whining about
|> 'Americanizing' football. There are a lot of people on rss, and around
|> the world, who like football pretty much the way it is. Let's just hope
|> FIFA remember that there is life after '94, and that the Brazilians,
|> Argentinians, British, Italians, Spanish, French, Columbians,
|> Cameroonians, Koreans, ex-Yugoslavians, even a few Aussies(!) etcetc
|> like football, and don't want to play some awful game that was invented
|> (by FIFA-not by the USA!) to sell a sport to one country and their TV
|> networks. If they want it, let them come and get it. We shouldn't bring it
|> to them.
|> 
|> Conor.

I could not agree more.
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Regards,

Ferdi.
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Bundesliga Results
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Keywords: ANY NEWS!
Organization: Jungian-Bakthinian 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:01:11 GMT

Was hat passiert in der Bundesliga?
From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Pass-to-keeper game situation
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:25:12 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
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:   What's your call and why?  Options:
: 
:   C)  Award an indirect free-kick to the attacking team at the
:       spot where the keeper touched the ball.

    According to the NEW application of the Law - this is the call.
    Here, the keeper is giving up an IFK against him but saving a sure
    goal.  Now he can get his teammates to build a wall and and perhaps
    save another shot on goal from the IFK.  

    If the keeper 'touched' the ball within his own goal area - at least
    the ball must be placed on the six-yard line - and his teammates can
    line up on the goal line within the goal posts.

    The "lessor" of two evils:  Goal -or- IFK (which he might save).


    Washington State Youth Soccer will not implement these new guidelines
    until "implementing guidelines" are received from the US Soccer's 
    National Director of Instruction.  The State Director of Instruction has
    set our implementing of these new rulings as 1 January 1993. 

    


-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ibrox Facilities For Celtic Fans
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:31:06 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

With the first league Old Firm encounter of the season taking place at Ibrox
on Saturday, Rangers have gone out of their way to provide even more special
facilities for the visiting Celtic "support". When the fans arrive they will
find that the toilets have already been wrecked and that about 600 seats will
either be missing or broken. This is to save the Celtic fans the job of doing
it themselves so they don't miss any of the game. What's left of the urinals
in the toilets will be redirected such that the urine will flow down the
stand and flap about at their ankles thus making them feel at home as if they
were at Celtic Park. Holes have also been put in the roof of the stand in
case it rains.

The usual price for the Broomloan Road Stand which they get allocated is
$8.00. Thay are getting charged $10.00 to compensate for the damage that they
caused in March when they last visited Ibrox and on the numerous times before
that but this is not expensive enough to pay for the damage. On that day they
wrecked the bogs and ripped out seats. They have even been known to throw
pies at Rangers players. We all know that they are jealous as their board
hasn't got a Scooby Doo about building a new stadium but if they do wish to
stand there is no need to rip out the seats first. My opinion is that we
shouldn't give them any tickets for Ibrox. In return we wouldn't get any for
Celtic Park but who cares as we don't need the money as it's a sell-out
40,000 every week at Ibrox whereas they get around 20,000 most weeks in a
60,000 capacity. The exception to this though is the 7000 that watched them
last week in the Skol Cup at Hampden.

--
Scott Jackson
Spider Systems Limited                 NO-ONE WANTED PAUL McSTAY!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: G62N000 <G62N@UNB.CA>
Subject: line-ups for Canada-US exhibition wanted
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:55:57 GMT

Does anybody have the line-ups for the up-coming exhibition
game between Canada and the US on Sept.3.  I'm planning on
attending the match and would like to know who to look out for.
The game is to be played in Saint John, New Brunswick.
If anybody wants I can give them information on how to get tickets.

Thanks for any help.

Paul O'Sullivan
G62N@UNB.CA
LIVERPOOL F.C.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Dutch competition
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:12:36 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:

>PSV were founded in 1913 as the Philips company football team and the
>name PSV stands for Philips Sports Vereniging (ie Philips Sports Club).

>PSV claim that changing their name to Philips SV is simplying reverting
>back to their original name

>Others (mostly fans of Ajax and Feyenoord) claim that this is just
>blatant advertising on the part of Philips and PSV and that if this goes
>on soon we will have matches like "Philips SV  .vs.   Ford Rotterdam" or
>" Ajax Cleaning Liquid   .vs.   Toyota  Haarlem".

It seems to me that PSV has a strong case here with Philips being a part of
the name. It can be compared to the German clubs Bayer 04 Leverkusen and
Bayer 05 Uerdingen (Bayer is a large medical/chemical coorperation).

But the other teams have a point: company names in team names is something
to be avoided - we can start with Ajax Amsterdam ...
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Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
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From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:33:25 GMT

<----------------------------a lot of stuff deleted--------------------------->

>Come on Fuad, don't accuse people of posting wrong information when you
>do the same thing.
>For your info, the first worldcup was in 1930 and not in 1932.  Also
>Argentina did not reach the World Cup final in 1982.  They went to
>Spain '82 and lost in the 2nd round.
>Instead of posting articles this long, spend some time looking up
>correct info.
>**********************************************************************
>Carlos Escobar
>E-MAIL:EC33@LAFAYACS.BITNET
>

Well, I realize I screwed up.  A friend of mine read Francis' article and told
me that someone was claiming that Argentina made it only four times to the WC
Finals.  He never said that Francis was talking about the number of times that
Argentian made it to the Semifianls.  Here where I screwed up, instead of
reading the article closely myself, I just took the message number and started
replying to it.  Having finished the posting, I went back and my article and
found out that Francis meant the countries that made it to the Semifinals and
not to WC finals.
There was a typo mistake in my posting.  I meant WC of 1930 and not 1932
since there was no WC in 1932.
What I meant by saying Argentina made in 1982 was that Argentian made it to
Spain.  That was due to the misunderstanding of the Francis' article, or
better saying due to me being mislead by a friend.  I should have read the
article before I started replying.  But Hey, Shit happens.
                                            ---------------
I absolutely did not mean that Argentina was in the final math in Spain.
Sometimes we react or behave as our hearts dictate and as our brains do.
I was very eager to make clear that Argentina made it WC finals more than
four times; however, I did not mean that Argentina made to the semifinals
of all these WC finals more than four times.

                                                             Later,

                                                              Fuad

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From: arc@Ingres.COM (Andy Cowling)
Subject: Re: 3 defeats in a row
Reply-To: arc@Ingres.COM (Andy Cowling)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:10:32 GMT

In-reply-to: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk's message of Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:00:22 +0000
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 3 in a row
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> In message <tan.714354207@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> tan@cis.ksu.edu
> (Joo Tan) writes
> 
> >When was the last time Arsenal and Man. Utd both started the season
> >with three losses each?? That is, of course, assuming Arsenal will lose
> >at Anfield (quite likely) on Sunday, and Man Utd lose to Southampton
> >(probable but not likely) on Monday.

But United are at home to Ipswich on Saturday and having seen Ipswich
perform at Selhurst 'Stadium' on Tuesday night defeating the mighty
Wimbledon (less Fash, Phelan and Scales), it's by no means certain
they will triumph at Old Trafford.

> 
> Well, only one team has ever won the league after starting the season
> with three straight losses (Burnley in 1959-60). Sunderland once won the
> league after failing to win any of their opening 8 fixtures. I think we can
> just about write off Arsenal and United's chances for the season. 
>
e> (j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)

That's as maybe but neither have started with 3 defeats (yet)...

And how many teams have failed to win the title after starting with
10 straight wins (apart from another glorious Man Utd. failure in '85) ?

Note that 'Fat-kinson' was dismissed in November 1986...so look out
Ferguson, your team selections for the title stumble-in may catch up
with you yet...

And why the hell doesn't Neil Webb ask for a transfer - Darren
Fergsuon and Mike `Stan Laurel' Phelan get in ahead of him, he
obviously hates Alex F. (mutual) and still he doesn't ask for a
transfer. I can only assume there's a clause in his contract denying
him N% of any fee if he actually requests a transfer so he's waiting
to be listed...
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Ingres Ltd, (Special Engineering Group), 15-19 Britten St, London SW3 3TY
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Snow goes Div 1
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:00:40 GMT

This is in Belgium.

Andy