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Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out? 
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:02:33 +0000


In article <C0EFG2.59C@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:

>  The old H2 used to have a manual oiler that had a pull handle,
>reservoir, and a line to the chain. Every so often you could give a
>little pull on the handle while riding and oil your chain. This could
>probably had from a wreckers and be fitted to most bikes. They made a
>big mess though.


The advantage of the ScottOiler is that it delivers little oil continuously 
only when the engine is on load. Thus the mess is considerably reduced. I 
still haven't managed to find the manufacturer or a US importer, but for the 
more adventurous of you, I've found a supplier in the UK who will export them 
to the US. You can order by telephone or by mail with a VISA or MasterCharge 
card.

They are

MPS Ltd
Daneheath Business Park
Heathfield
Newton Abbot
Devon
England   TQ12 6BR


Telephone + 44 626 835835

Cost is 45 UKP + shipping (about $75 + shipping). You will probably get a 
discount for export as local VAT is not payable on exports.

The part number is SO-XO and the price includes an initial supply of 'special 
oil' sufficient for 200 hour riding. (I quote their catalogue.)

I have _no_ connexion with MPS and gain no reward for any deal that you do 
with them. Neither do I accept any liability for any misinformation in this 
message.  This firm are, as far as I have dealt with them in the past, good 
and reliable.


Ride on

Tony


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From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:47:05 GMT
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
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In article <1993Jan8.141506.10292@spdc.ti.com>
 achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:

>Dirtbikes are not expected to reach 50-100,000 miles. The frames are often
>broken, the suspensions worn out, and in general they're abandoned for a 
>newer model in only a couple years. Combined with the expectation of a 
>rebuild when racing, tenths of a second are probably more important than
>extended transmission life.  For everyday street riding, I expect most people
>would opt for longer service.


I shift the Concours clutchless about 75% of the time, and can usually shift 
smoother without the clutch than with. 1st to 2nd upshifts are a problem, 
but downshifts are pretty smooth in all gears. I cannot shift cage 
transmissions smoothly without the clutch, and I thought that had something 
to do with helical-cut gears on a car versus straight-cut gears on a bike. 
Anyhow, I can't believe that with proper throttle action, smooth clutchless 
shifts on a bike can cause any problem at all. I've been shifting clutchless 
since the bike was new, and I've got no transmission problems after 54,000 
miles.

Steve

COG, HOG, AMA, DoD # 1951
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:29:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article 23775@linus.mitre.org, crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
>
>Don't confuse character with Pirsigian `Quality'.  Character is just style,
>generally deliberate and for style's sake.  It is entirely independent of 
>function.  In fact, I would go further to say that character is the antithesis 
>of function -- where function ends, character begins.

Boloney.  Winchesters have character *because* of their stark
functionality.  There were, and always will be, rifles with more
"style."

>General disaffection for certain things shows that our collective
>perceptions have much in common and they lead us to agree that a Pacific Coast 
>is NOT a soul-stirring scoot.  This isn't mystical or deep psychologically, 
>it's common ground.

No, it's fad.  "Collective perceptions" recycle periodically.  They are
the heart and soul of the fashion and music industries.

>Or do you not believe at all in shared experiences and values?  Because if you
>do, many of us will agree on matters of `character' and that will say more 
>about the subject in question than it will us.

Not at all, it says more about you, both individually and collectively.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:09:05 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Center, Univ. Hospitals of Cleveland
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In article <1993Jan9.003235.14760@news.columbia.edu>, twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
>
>In article <1ikcp4INNa3j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu () writes:
>
>>The milk of human kindness -- thank you for giving the insurance companies
>>a valid reason to raise everyone's rates.  Unfortunately, your tone implies
>>that you've blown your pain and suffering out of proportion; one last question,
>>were you even injured?
>
>	Yes, very severely thank you. I've lost 15% in my neck's range
>of motion, not counting other injuries listed in my doctor's file.
>Somewhere in my archive of diskettes is the original post of my
>injuries posted to Rec.Moto back in 6/90. I'll see if I can scrape it
>up and send it to you.

If you have legitimate claims and are seeking fair compensation you aren't
"milking" the system, as your original post implied.  I take it that the
accident was the cager's fault and, as such, he has a responsibility to you.
The tone of your original post makes it sound like you wish to dishonestly
take advantage of that responsibility, and that is what I take exception
to.  There is a big difference between using the system and abusing the
system; when the system is abused, such as false insurance claims, everyone
in the system suffers, such as higher insurance premiums.

Only one question: why did you imply that the system had to be "milked"
for you to get what you felt you deserved?

Ed
DoD #1110
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 21:48:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.184046.4181@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <moseley.151.726165026@u.washington.edu>, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>> BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't 
>> work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the 
>> others lack. 
>
>The bikes don't lack character.  Character, like beauty, is in the eye
>of the beholder.  The "lack" is in the beholder, not the bikes.
>
>> But why is character so expensive? 
>
>It's not.  My bike has gobs of character, and it only cost me $3.1K.

Hah!  My bike has nearly as much character as a Spagthorpe, and
only cost me $.5K.


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ugly Colours (was: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100)
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:10:21 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson) writes:
>> Michael Robinson sez:
>
>>> 'cause Steve L. Moseley sez:
>>> BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't
>>> work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the
>>> others lack. But why is character so expensive? Why does character cost more
>>> than function?
>>
>> Because character is inversely proportional to volume (would Harleys have
>> "character" if everybody rode one?).  Function is cheap because it sells
>> lots of units and achieves economies of scale.
>
>   Wow, this means that the Amazonas has more character than BMWs, Ducati,
>   Harleys, etc. put together.  Hey, they even probably don't work as well
>   as BMWs, Ducati, Harleys, etc.

        And if that's the case, a Munch would ooze character, leaving large
puddles of character on the ground everytime you stop (even at a traffic
light).

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Gang FAQ'd by the DoD!
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:48:38 GMT

In article <C0FuxG.5pq@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>
>  Your silly!
>
>  Here's something of interest though.
>Yesterday two snowmobiles collided head on at speed on a trail. A 25
>year old helmetless male died of massive head injuries. The other rider,
>helmeted, survived with only a concussion. Preliminary reports indicate
>that they bonked heads.
>
>  Why would someone not wear a helmet at -30 C ?

Because there is no law requiring that snowmobilers wear one.

Ride Free,

Bill
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johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC  KotV KotRR                                
DoD #00314  AMA #580924   Squid Index 3.0    WMTC #0002  KotD #0001             
Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 and a Volvo.  What more could anyone ask?             
                                                                                
We have secretly replaced the small, precision quartz timing crystals           
in these new IC's with improved Folger's crystals.  Now, let's watch 
what happens....
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Know of any motorcycles movies?
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

> > In article <104506@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu  
(George Grevera) writes:
> > >I'd like to compile a list of motorcycle movies 

Anyone else catch "Mad Girls, Bad Girls" the other night? 7 biker chicks kidnap  
this ex-cop and take him out to the desert for some revenge. I could only stand  
about 10 minutes of it and probably heard/saw every bad biker cliche in those  
few moments.

But, I got it on tape and it will be a great excuse for a party soon.

Diana

DIANA BOYD                    "Hear me baby, I'm nearly crazy,
EVO Woman                      It's hard living with the law."
Bungee Queen                                     - C. Whitley
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:43066 ba.motorcycles:1300
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:08:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
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dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook) says:
> For
> example, how much does a brand new BMW K75s cost in
> Germany?

1993 German BMW prices:

K75S	17,300 DM = $11,764

This bike is only $9,290 here in the USA. Other models are similarly
more expensive in Germany than here.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Way of Kickstart
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:36:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles,sybase.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer

The Zen of kickstarting an old, magneto Norton was knowing just how
much to tickle the carbs. After proper ministrations they will always
start as long as the magneto has been kept in good shape.

The Zen of kickstarting a Ducati 750 GT (mine anyway) is to just 
do it and it will start. He's not fussy and loves to run. :)
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: To KotL
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:43:48 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1993Jan11.212111.14639@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In fact there happens to be one particularly expensive motorcycling
>accessory that I know the KotL desperately needs right now.

They are not particularly expensive.  I picked one up last month for $300.
Used, but in excellent condition.

Anyone can afford one.  They just have to want it bad enough.

Many people would be happy with any old beat-up piece-of-crap one if the
alternative was none at all.


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From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Strangers on your bike (was: Protection for your bike)
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:08:14 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <93005.144252RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, by RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Robert Chambers):
> How do you stop someone backing into your bike, knocking it over,
> picking it up and then not telling anyone since it only cracked the
> turn signal plastic?
> 
> Answer: Your friends in the parking lot (this was > 10 years ago at high
> school) tell you and you go out to check it out, kick the shit out of one
> of the guys doors, and put a handful of sand in the gas tank - and don't
> tell them about it.
>
So it was you, you bastard !!
;-}

Antony.
DoD#1832
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:13:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan11.142646.23775@linus.mitre.org> crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
>Don't confuse character with Pirsigian `Quality'.  Character is just style,
>generally deliberate and for style's sake.  It is entirely independent of 
>function.  In fact, I would go further to say that character is the antithesis 
>of function -- where function ends, character begins.

>I have no complaints with the Pacific Coast or the ST1100 as bikes in their
>own right, they simply lack personality.  You clearly disagree with me on
>this, and with virtually every moto-journalist who ever commented on the bikes.
>They too felt these were highly competent machines but lacked in any sort of
>emotional `zing'.  They lacked character/style/brio/personality.

You are leading me to the conclusion that character is another word for the
emotions that spring to mind when you look/ride/touch the object. Under this
deffinition character is entirely a function of the emotions and predjudices
of the observer. 

A moto-rag editor transfixed on performance may have little or no emotional 
reaction to the ST1100, but a different person who is looking for something
else in a motorcycle could find lot's of character in the same bike.

When I look at my ST I find a character something like this:

A silent reliable friend, who without complaint will carry me as far
as I want, A comfortable companion with more then enough power to keep
up with anyone else. A stable, solid partner, a rock of granite. I think
of the ST more as a horse then as a high performance vehicle. 

Not everyone wants a ZX11/900RR/GSXR, some people are looking for something
else.

I wouldn't expect a DUCK lover or a ZX-11 pilot to get excited by the 
ST. The ST is for the person who seeks the quiet ride, unburdened
by worry with nothing to prove.

Dave
DoD 1085


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From: BFRIBERG@FINABO.ABO.FI (Nalle, RRMCC)
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Way of Kickstart
Organization: Hack'n Slash
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:26:53 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1993Jan11.224506.22919@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com writes:

> Bah!  Girly men hand start by spinning the rear wheel.  Manly men
> start the bike by picking it up with one hand and yanking the
> drive chain with the other.  (Shafties:  Pick up the rear wheel with
> one hand, and rotate the bike around it with the other.)
> 
> You girly man, you.

 REAL men walk up to the bike, looks it in the eye and ROARS at it, which
naturally makes the bike  roar back. Simple!



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From: spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler)
Subject: Vancouver MC Show
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:53:04 GMT

< Insert standard distribution apology >

Just thought I'd see who was heading for the Vancouver MC
show this weekend (and whether a small gathering was in order).

-- 
Chris Spindler   Seismologist @ Large  |                                  
'91 550 Zephyr    - - - - - - -  o     |  "Just be thankful we don't have
'91 K75RT       - - - - - - -  _/\_>   |   as much government as we are 
 DoD #6371    - - - - - - -   O,> / O  |   paying for."
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Sure cure for assholes climbing on bikes
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:46:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <C0Dx7q.5Gp@apollo.hp.com> brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:
}1) people climbing, or letting their kids climb on other people's bikes
}I like the alarm idea. If the alarm goes off that will scare most people
}away from the bike. 
		     
Or, if your alarm isn't hyper-sensitive, the following might occur:

1) Large child or teenager: Is halfway on when alarm goes off, drops
bike while attempting to jump free in terror.

2) Smaller child: Is on and straigtening handlebars when alarm goes
off, slams handlebars back sideways in terror while trying to scramble
off, thus dropping bike.

3) Very small child: Finally makes it up onto seat, begins bouncing,
which sets off alarm, which releases child's sphincter and bladder
control muscles while said child is sitting on your seat.

I think you should just get the scrungiest, grubbiest, beer-guttiest,
meanest, orneriest, most Group W bench qualified person you know to
pose for a Polaroid. Encase the polaroid in waterproof plastic with
a caption that says "MOM", and hang it on the bike.

Now everyone who thinks about climbing on the bike is going to wonder
what you look and act like if your Mom looks like *that*.
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
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From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: Re: Info Request: converting from Std. to Electronic Ignition
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:17:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152444.741@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>The subject line says it all--I want to convert my old point/condensor
>ignition to CDI/Electronic.  
>
>Some Questions:
>
>1)  Anyone had any experience with Boyer-Bransden conversion kits?
No. Never heard of them.
>
>2)  Anyone heard of other companies making kits (for 70's vintage Jap
>    bikes)?

Yes. DYNA is the most popular.

>
>3)  How irritating/difficult is the actual conversion?
>
I converted my '77 KZ1000 from points/condesors to electronic. Easy to
install, easy to set the timimg.

>4)  Anyone have success/spectacular failure stories?

A bitch to replace when one of the two electronic modules died,
on the highway, on Labor Day Weekend. Apparently the DYNA unit is
susceptible to heat-failure. Warm day, loaded bike w. passenger, 70+
mph traffic for a few hours... I guess it was too much.

I went back to points/condensors, then my mechanic convinced me to try
the Accel condensor-replacement "chips".  These are fine, and work with
standard points. I'm satisfied that if any of the low tech points/chip
parts die while I'm on the road, I can replace them with damn near
anything that will physically fit, Honda 750/4 parts, Yam. XS, etc.
>
>5)  What changes did you make to ignition coils, if any?
>
None.
>6)  If the conversion process is not worth it, how about reccomendations on
>    beefing up the stock system?--70's vintage standard Jap ignitions were
>    pretty weak from the factory.

Replace the coils with anything of a junked sport-bike,
preferably with replacable wires.

I'm happy with the Accel condensor-repacing chips. They were
intended for racing, and reduce maintainence while adding
minimal power.

>
>Thanks in Advance for any and all responses.
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Duncan Sterling          buffalo@wam.umd.edu   GT750L, KH500A8, CA175K3
>University of Maryland    "Yeeehaaa!" - Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove"   
>College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous 


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