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From: gene@lgc.com (Gene Lege')
Subject: Re: Vibes
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.163746.24366@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>In <9212151108.AA00897@aida.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> uli@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes:
>
>>Hi all true fans!
>
>>There's a _*S_L_I_G_H_T*_ (how can you make more emphasis without going to
>>72 point sized fonts?) Kate-reference in a film that ran last week on
>>German TV: "Vibes" (with Cyndi Lauper and Peter Falk) has a scene where
>>they are actually "Om mani padme hum"ming. Of course I know Kate has
>>not invented that, but I thought it might be of _*S_L_I_G_H_T*_ interest...
>
>>Uli
>
>I don't know if this chant is Tibetan or what.  Could someone with actual
>information let us know what its origins are?
>
>Drewcifer

It's hindu (or, perhaps, even dating back to the vedic traditions...)

"Om" and "hum" are power sylables that  are used in meditation.  They set
up and reinforce a vibratory awareness or trance.  I have also heard "Om"
described as a "self-referential subject"  In other words "I" in English.
That description misses the whole point IMHO, it means *much* more (and
*no* more :-) than that...  In fact, at a minimum, it means "I am", "It
is", "They are", "The universe is", "Being is", "Thinking is", "Feeling is",
ad infinitum.  Our bassis set leaves a little to be desired... :-)

"mani padme" translates loosely ( *I think* ) to "the jewel in the lotus"

This has spiritual significance as a symbol of birth, re-birth, life, death,
enlightenment and just about anything else in human existence.  It also
has explicit nuances of sexuality.  

So "Om mani padme hum" is a meditative mantra that declares and nutures
the existential and regenerative qualities of the miracle of the process
of life.

Anyone for deep philosphical discussions of "the simultaneous thunderclap
and flow of milk from the great udder?" (:-)


Kate's use of "Om mani padme hum" in SP is interesting in that the song
is about the underlying connectedness of all things.  I've always thought
it was absolutely brilliant song.  And to think, written by a 16 year
old British school-girl.  The woman awes me.

Here's to "the beauty of rare innocence"

gl
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:28:26 -0500
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (WretchAwry)
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Loves: Kate Bush..Happy Rhodes..Jane Siberry..Peter Gabriel..Tori Amos..
Subject: Games Without Frontiers remix (& my last name)
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We bought at Tower, and finally had a chance to listen to the
"Games Without Frontiers" remix on the b-side of the "Steam"
cassingle, and it's *GREAT*!!! It's *completely* different.
The best I could do to describe it would be to say.....uh...
..something like.... the "acoustic dub" mix. At first I
thought that Kate was taken out altogether, but later in
the song she comes in singing her part in a very soft,
ethereal way. I'm sure it's not new vocals by either Peter
or Kate, but I do think they are alternative recordings.
You know Peter, he'll record something fifty million ways
then choose which one to use. Oh to have free run of his
archives!

Btw, we didn't see a CD single, though I'm sure one exists.

Jane Siberry is on the Toys soundtrack too!! 

johnz@eaglet.rain.com (John Zimmer) writes:

>vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) writes:
>>Speaking of crossword puzzles...no, I guess we weren't. Anyway, my
>>last name once showed up in a find-a-word puzzle in a KBC newsletter.
>>To this day i don't know if it was intentional or some weird fluke
>>of fate. Speaking of my last name, which is Mapes, one of the lead
>>characters on last week's episode of MST3K (the title of the film
>>escapes me) was named Mapes too. Doesn't that ever so just make your
>>day to know that? Joel & the Bots have mentioned Kate, so hey, it's
>>kinda Kate-related.

>And of course, in Frank Herbert's _Dune_, (you're probably already aware of
>this, Vickie) there was a minor character, the Shadout Mapes.  Your eyes aren't
>blue-on-blue, are they...? 

No, I didn't know that! Thanks for letting me know. (And no, I don't
have eyes like that, but they sound interesting. My eyes are brown and
I always wanted blue eyes. Icy blue, like Kirstie Alley or Meg Foster.)

Weirdly enough, last night on the Emma Thompson show, she used the last
name "Mapes" in one of her skits. To make it even weirder, my maiden name
was Thompson! Odd happenings...

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:57:35 -0500
From: uli@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel)
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Message-ID: <9212151456.AA21400@kino.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
Subject: Here is Christmas
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Hi,

this is my seventh article today without even mentioning Tori at all (oops!
spoiled...)

Today I found the re-issue of the EMI compilation with all those Christmas
songs including Kate's bongo-version of December will be magic again.
The CD looks different than the photo in my memory that is in the
Illustrated Collector's Guide to Kate Bush, so this might be something
for the true collectors. I hope (no CD player found yet) that it really
is the bongo version, otherwise I might get frantic...

The CD itself is contained in a digipack that folds out into all four 
directions.

Anyway, for those who want to order it somewhere:

'Here is Christmas' by EMI, order number is 0777 7 98054 2 6

An interesting thing is the following:
the digipack has the following letters at the bottom:
(p) 1991 The copyright in this compilation is owned by EMI Records Ltd.
(c) 1992 EMI Records Ltd.

I thought that the CD was a little bit older, or is this a completely
different item?

Bye,

Uli
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:59:49 -0500
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From: eric.walker@channel1.com (Eric Walker)
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Subject: breathing
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


Does someone have a transcription of the eerie words describing a
nuclear blast in "Breathing?"  This ominous speech is what gives this
song a lot of its haunting, disturbing power, and I'd like to know
what the words are exactly.

Thank you.
---
 ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ Happy happy!  Joy joy!
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:57:50 -0500
From: "Kurt*z* S. Araki" <karaki@jarthur.claremont.EDU>
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Subject: Best record of all time(final)
Message-ID: <1992Dec19.035547.14070@muddcs.claremont.edu>
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In answer to Andrew's question I went to my faithful and trusty "Brewer 
the Dictionary of Phrase and Fable" originally published in the late 19th 
century. Under the entry OM: 
        A sanscrit word, somewhat similar to Amen. When the gods are 
asked to rejoice in sacrifice, the god Savitri cries out Om (be it so). 
When Pravahan is asked if his father has instructed him, he answers Om 
(Verily). Brahmans begin and end their lessons on the Veda with the word 
Om, for "unless Om precedes his lecture, it will be like water on a rock, 
which cannot be gathered up; and unless it concludes the lecture, it will 
bring forth no fruit."
        Om mani padem (umlates over the e) hum (circumflex over the u). 
These are the first six syllables taught the children of Tibet and 
Mongolia, and the last words uttered by the dying in those lands. It is 
met with everywhere as a charm.

Brewer also had an interesting entry for "Waking a Witch":
        If a "witch" was obdurate, the most effectual way of obtaining a 
confession was by what was termed "waking her." For this purpose an iron 
bridle or hoop was bound across her face with four prongs thrust into her 
mouth. The "bridle" was fastened behind to the wall by a chain in such a 
manner that the victim was unable to lie down; and in this position she 
was kept sometimes for several days, while men were constantly by to keep 
her awake. In Scotland some of these bridles are still preserved.

Makes you wonder..has Kate been visiting Scottish torture museums???
or better yet does she secretly hold a degree in Medieval Studies??
One can only hope for the latter. 8)
                   Kateness
                        Lionheart
P.S.
  have I already gone through the similarities between Hounds of Love, 
Ruunning Up that Hill and Dante's Inferno? Or Love and Anger and the Tale 
of Parzifal?? KAte is sooo medieval...scary.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:48:59 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: PG in re KB on MTV:
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In <m0n1rhV-000ilXC@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu> chrisw@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu (chris williams) writes:

[some eMpTyV comments]

I always found it the ultimate in laughability when Kendall would introduce a
video by, say, Sarah MacLachlan, and the MTV people would play a video by
Arrested Development in its place:the biggest problem with pre-recording
between-video chatter.


>>>So any other opinions of the likelihood of KaTe actually having an
>>>album ready by spring?
>>
>>Peals of patronizing laughter.

>   Do you wonder if Kate is aware of the kind of cynicism she creates
>in her fans? She'd probably freak if she was made aware of it.

> 
>                              Chris Williams
>                              chrisw@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu

Well, yeah, she probably deserves a little patience.  I mean, she is
hopefully producing some of the best music this planet has ever seen, and
here we are bugging her and bugging her to hurry up.  In my book she's
welcome to take as long as she wants.  Ideally, though, it would be nice to
have the albums quicker to prevent rabidity among Katefans...myself
prominent among them...

:)

Drewcifer
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:49:05 -0500
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
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Subject: Re: What a day that was
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In article <1992Dec3.102729.554@ziff.com> gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) writes:

>I stick strictly to 1/1-12/31.  That said, I
>have the exact same dilemma you're facing, as _Little Earthquakes_ is far
>and away my favorite of the year, but its printed copyright date is 1991.
> After a great deal of thought, I have decided to grant it 1992
>eligibility for these reasons:

You have nothing to be ashamed of.  _Little Earthquakes_ was released
in the US in February, 1992.  (It was released a few months earlier in
Europe, which is why it has a 1991 copyright.)

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:35:33 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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In <9212181217.AA10108@syrinx.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:

>Andrew writes:

>>I can't imagine why everyone loves FBP so much.  I find it so utterly
>>grating and unenjoyable.  Would someone please tell me what I'm missing so I
>>can enjoy it too?

>Probably the same thing that makes you think KaTe has lame songs on her 
>albums.

What, intelligent critical faculties?

>I, too, really like "14 Black Paintings".  I think the lyrics are wonderfully
>simple and to the point.  The music is full of hope and expectation.  I 
>think it's getting hard to do a human rights struggle sort of song without
>sounding trite, as if a member of the "I'm the Natalie Merchant and *I* 

Well, actually, I thought this song was remarkably trite.  Guess it's harder
than we thought!

>*CARE*" school (my biggest complaint about _Blind Man's Zoo_ is that it 
>cares about too many issues.  Musically and lyrically it's brilliant, but
>because of the wide range of issues, I feel that it comes off as insincere.

Wait a minute.  In order to be sincere you can't care about a wide range of
issues?  I care about a lot of issues too, and I'm quite sincere about all
of them.  I think that might not be the way you meant to express this.

>Still my favorite 10,000 Maniacs album).  Anyway, "14 Black Paintings"

My fave too!

>doesn't fall into this simply by the fact that it's not _about_ an issue,
>it's about struggle, and it can be applied to just about any human rights
>issue.  
> 
>I will admit that I'm glad that there's a relatively long silent bit before
>"Kiss That Frog" starts, so the mood isn't _immediately_ ruined.  And
>I _love_ "Kiss That Frog", another prime single candidate.

You bet.  I've heard KTF trashed and I wonder what people are thinking!

>Jeff
>-- 
>|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
>|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
>|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |

Drewcifer
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:10:25 -0500
Subject: What did I get myself into ???
From: patrickm@netlink.cts.COM (Patrick McKinnion)
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   People -
   I really wasn't trying to compare Tori to Kate, (or Tori to Suzanne, 
or anyone else.).   I've just noted that a lot of Love-Hounds I've ran 
across seem to have a automatic dislike for Tori, either because A) To 
music critics, (BLEGH !!!!!), try to compare them, or B) they seem to 
perceive a "threat" to Kate.   I may have assumed that was a universal 
reaction, and if so, I'm sorry.  (maybe I should have tested the water, 
and NOT assumed it "was only waist-deep")
   Suzanne Vega's work really hits a chord within me when I'm depressed, 
and need her lovely melencoly in my life.   Kate's music hits me at a 
deeper emotional level, sometimes forcing me to take a good look at my 
own feelings.    Tori Amos hits somewhere between the two levels, but 
just enough to that darker end that Suzanne's work is, and almost as 
deeply as Kate's
   (Enya I use simply because I'm a long-time Clannad fan, but that's 
another story.)
   On one level, Tori Amos's work affects me greatly, but Tori's music 
never cost me a girlfriend, like Kate's work did.  (Found out far too 
late, after my introduction to Kate's work, that my Ex-girlfriend 
H-A-T-E-D Kate's music.   We broke up three months later.)
   Tori only has one GOOD album out.  But that's the one where she 
actually sings her music, rather than the music that her unlamented first 
album force on her.   While she may be a flash in the pan, I'm willing to 
think otherwise.
   But she's going to have to be damm good to affect people in the same 
way that Kate does.    Because as much as I like Tori Amos, and Suzanne 
Vega, they just don't hit the same emotions that Kate does.   
                  -- All for now.
                      PatrickM@netlink.cts.com
                       "..I turn to my computer,
                           I spend my evenings with it, like a friend."

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:04:27 -0500
From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
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From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
Subject: Re: Tori in UK? Seen on BBC2 with Jools Holland
Organization: Pure Software, Los Altos, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.202815.5934@spectrum.xerox.com> cobrin.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com writes:
>Whilst talking about Katelikes and stuff, anybody remember Toyah? 
>[early 80's, swapped between Acting and Singing and back again, now
>married to Brian Eno] 


Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!  She's married to Robert Fripp, not Eno.  They did an
album about a year ago with Trey Gunn called "Sunday All Over the
World" (usually filed under Fripp).  I think the album would be 5x
better w/o Toyah. . .

But it's still pretty good.


-- 
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:19:21 -0500
From: "N. Richard Caldwell" <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us>
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uli@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel),
in article <9212151456.AA21400@kino.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
writes: 
 
>Today I found the re-issue of the EMI compilation with all those Christmas
> songs including Kate's bongo-version of December will be magic again.
..
> The CD itself is contained in a digipack that folds out into all four 
> directions.
> 
> Anyway, for those who want to order it somewhere:
> 
> 'Here is Christmas' by EMI, order number is 0777 7 98054 2 6
> 
> An interesting thing is the following:
> the digipack has the following letters at the bottom:
> (p) 1991 The copyright in this compilation is owned by EMI Records Ltd.
> (c) 1992 EMI Records Ltd.
> 
> I thought that the CD was a little bit older, or is this a completely
> different item?

This is something different.  The original compilation was called _It's
Christmas_, and was catalog number CD EMTV 49.  Both copyrights were 1989
and the CD was in a jewel case, not a digipack.  The original had 18
tracks, starting with John & Yoko, _Happy Xmas (War is Over)_ and ending
with Bing Crosby, _White Christmas_.  _December Will Be Magic Again_ is
track number 9 on the original.  The bongo version may well have been used
on the first compilation by mistake, so you should definitely check to see
which version this release contains.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:36:00 -0500
From: carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart)
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Subject: the ftp site?
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Hi people... I used to be more in touch with this list and you kate-heads,
like say back around the time of Rocket Man, a year ago.. how are you all
doing?

this is probably a really FAQ, but can someone tell me the status of the
ftp archives, if they still exist?  I've looked on spies but i can't
seem to find it.

Please email ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu
thanks!
kevin

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:10:30 -0500
From: pols051@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz
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Subject: Where are the GARDEN archives?????????
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