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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:45:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.193945.23759@megatek.com> tomw@megatek.com writes:
+The problem here is the manufacturing division of Harley-Davidson. Ask any
+Harley dealer what their biggest complaint is, and you'll get the same
+answer: "Not enough product!"
+
+Harley has been too conservative to tool up to meet the current demand. This
+allows them to have a high price and a good margin, but in the long term it
+huts their market share, ...
+
+IMHO, Harley should tool up for much more volume. ...

I discussed this situation two years ago with Jeff Bleustein, the
executive VP of HD (relationship to me: a slight possibility).

Anyway, they realize that a lot of their popularity is due to trends.
They also realize that the yuppies may all of a sudden decide that
the "in thing" is yachts instead of Harleys.  They don't want to
be left with under utilized factories.  In Jeff's words: we
believe in evolution, not revolution.

+End of this segment of Economics 101.

And I added Economics 201.
____________________________________________________________________________
There are three types of people in the world.  There are those that are
good at math and there are those that aren't.
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.074737.11510@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.213748.21142@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>+
>+My kids pediatrician whos often on TV concerning his work with Yugo
>+orphans...
>
>Yugo orphans are kids whose parents were killed by being run over
>by a Yugo?

Thats right. The cops drive around in lil Yugos bumping off the street
urchins. Then if the family lives long enough to sue, they blame it
on wild hamsters.
 
Point being this guy is going to buy a Harley and set it in his living room.
Probably have a zero on the odometer.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
================================================================================
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:33:39 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
	<08yb02Uk2fSt01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
Distribution: na

Eddie writes>>
In article <Uf=ATpe00WAE00fUcX@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
(John Makel) writes:
>Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........
>

Hey!!!!! I've got that one already!!!!! (wanna buy it???)

(try 666 John...............)

Eddie Kieger, doh #0000000013
DOD # 291743377 <- ask me about THIS one!!!!

Eddie,  I have had the number 13 in more ways than you can imagine, and for
over 27 years, I thought that some of the older riders would relate to
it a little
differently as there was and is a 2nd meaning, hey John Stafford, Ed Campbell
andJim Groh do you know what I mean? 666 is another interesting one to though
hey Ken, put my order in for that one for XMAS OK? Hey Eddie how did you
get that crazy
DOD#?



						john...

16F				#13 or #666 HO HO!!!!!
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA 
ABATE				
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From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: FXSTS Custom Help
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:27:48 GMT

Vicki (my wife) and I are trying to finalize plans for winter work on her 1992
FXSTS.  She asked if I would place a posting on the 'net for advice or
suggestions.  Some of the alterations include:

1. Possibly lowering the rear (ala White Bros).  She is 5'3", and sat on a
   lowered springer in August; liked the lower center of gravity.  Does anyone
   have experience with the degree of loss of cornering?  Is it significant for
   a cruiser, or only relevant if you are playing roadracer?

2. Some chrome work, including swingarm, brake components, lever assemblies. 
   Stainless steel oil/gas lines, cables, etc.  If anyone has suggestions about 
   quality of the suppliers of these components (good or bad!), we'd appreciate
   it.

3. Are the stock shocks (springer and rear) decent, or are there any that will
   make a real difference in the handling?  She has no complaints now, but we're
   curious.

Thanks for your help.  I'm amazed at the knowledge that is available on this
system!

Michael Menard


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From: hofmann@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Jenns Hofmann)
Subject: Colors for '80 FLT
Originator: hofmann@hphalle2d.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:35:55 GMT


I'm thinking about a different colour for my '80 Tour-Glide, but I want it to be
as original as possible. My local Harley-Dealer here in Munich was not able to
give me the list of colours avaiable for the FLT in 1980. Is anybody out there?
Thanks, JENNS
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:27:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec18.133655.11539@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>In article <carlp.724570390@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>Oh, I think Ken's doing just fine at (not) keeping a list.  I will
>>assume this dubious honor only upon request from Ken, who must provide
>>me with a list of the already-issued numbers, lest I re-issue and
>
>do you believe that santa is keeping a list and checking it twice?
>
>no one has even asked me what doh stand for yet... presumptious lot
>you are!
>

I believe the history books quite clearly stipulate that, that question
was in fact inquired of the r.m.h crowd and a definition that was sufficient
to place a singular lock on the # 0000000005 was ascertained furthering my 
clients legal strangle hold as it were.
 
Therefore heretofore and forewith and and all such litigation that may ensue
in regards to said # 0000000005 will result in the court or KOTHL (as he's
known to the bar third stool from the can) awarding damages in the amount
to be determined upon instigation of litigation.
 
In closing I'd like to thank the court and more specifically Pizza Hut
for sponsoring me.
 
My names Jeem and if you look real close *thats* a roid.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
================================================================================
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:44:37 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.144112.1030@hemlock.cray.com> rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James K. Rye) writes:
>>
>>Finally! a group that gives great attitude. DOH # 0069.

>doh-heads always use lowercase acronyms.
>doh designations are 10 digits.
>you are disqualified.

>in the future we may consider allocation of #0000000068 and owing you one...

>the doh doesnt need attitude while it has me...

Oh, Hell, Ken - I guess I'll take doh #0000001340.  I was gonna ignore
this and hope it went away, but if everybody's gonna get one, I might
as well get a GOOD one while there's some left.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG         | "The good news is that Clinton will have to
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA |  work very hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439        |  of economic policy.  The bad news is that he
 Mail: carlp@mail.isc-br.com   |  will probably manage to do so." - Ed Ipser
From: jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Why are Harleys called Hogs?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:04:49 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I was just curious as to why Harleys are called Hogs, does anyone happen to
know?

						-Jason
					jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
-- 
Wouldn't it be fun to go across North America on a steel horse?
and to sleep under the stars each night--
to ride into the Sun each morning,
all on a whim, a desire met with the passion of life.
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Subject: Re: Yuppie Harleys, NEW BIKE, rantings
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:28:48 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1gdj40INNce2@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, davek@Central.Sun.COM
wrote:
 
> 
> I thought this newsgroup was for people into motorcycles.

Yea, you really nailed me, there.  I don't know a thing
about motorycles, especially Harleys.  Never rode one.
Wouldn't know one if it ran over me. Gosh, you know us soooo well.

> What's with all the assholes trying to convince everyone 
> that they're the only ones cool enough to ride a Harley.

Ah, it's also a good place to ferret out the humor impaired
or those who take themselves too seriously.

> Seems like these guys should start posting to Alt.ShitHeads
> and let the rest of us talk bikes.

So talk bikes, already!
From: jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Makel)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:44:21 GMT
	<22844@drutx.ATT.COM>
Distribution: na
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........



						john...


16F
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re:  Oil Cooler Questions
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:33:53 GMT


>I have a '92 XLH (1200 Sporty) and I'm wondering whether or not
>to get an oil cooler- it can get kinda warm here in the summer.

>If the answer is yes, is it easy enough for a minimally mechanically-
>inclined person to install or should I have the shop do it?

    Oil coolers help if you ride over 10 - 20 miles at a time or
in heavy traffic. In Palo Alto, you can use the very simple type
with no problem. In areas where it sometimes gets really cold, it's
best to get one with a thermostat.
   The hardest part of the installation is deciding where to mount
it. The better kits come with hardware and hoses, all you need is
a couple of end wrenches and a screwdriver. The only critical part
is to make sure you insert the cooler in the oil return line, not
the feed line. As a last resort, find the 2 hoses from the oil
pump and pull one off the oil tank. If all the oil drains from the
tank, you want the other hose.
   Mount the cooler where it will get a good supply of air (If you
do a lot of low speed/stop comuting, tilt it forward a little so
convection will pull air through it). Run a hose from the oil return
pump to one cooler fitting (some are marked inlet/outlet) and the
other cooler fitting gets a hose to the oil tank.

   **CAUTION**
   If you get one with a thermostat, make sure it is the type that
bypasses the oil cooler when it is cold. Some of these started life
as a cage transmission cooler and the thermostat just shuts off the
flow. The non-bypass type will cause the content of the oil tank to
be transfered to the crankcase, causing all kinds of trouble, then
the thermostat open, the oil pumps back to the tank and you may
never find out why lower end gaskets leak, engine runs bad cold etc.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:27:51 GMT


>True.  I'm trying to arrange to come over for the motorcycle show in
>mid-January.  I haven't worked out yet what to do about those little
>inconvenient "tire chains required" areas in Snoqualomie(?) pass.

    Just blast through the "chains required beyond thes point" check
point at around 75. The cop will shake his head and say," Naw, I must
be seeing things. Nobody rides a bike like that in this weather, I
need a donut and coffee."



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


==============================================================
 "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
                   W. C. Fields
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From: rtayloe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert W Tayloe Jr)
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:44:16 GMT

P.S. this is my first post to the net, so excuse the newbie look.


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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.213748.21142@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
+
+My kids pediatrician whos often on TV concerning his work with Yugo
+orphans...

Yugo orphans are kids whose parents were killed by being run over
by a Yugo?
____________________________________________________________________________
There are three types of people in the world.  There are those that are
good at math and there are those that aren't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Re: HARLEYS SUCK -- NOT!
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <82490024@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>
>Fact: Cruisers have become the most sought after bike in America, and as a
>cruiser, harley is the most sought after bike period.
>
>*** I'm not sure about that category as I'm almost positive that the
>*** sportbikes are #1 which run from 500cc to 1200cc models. 
>

Sportbikes WERE no.1 but not any more, although the margin is slim.  The U.S.
Streetbike market as from the Motorcycle Industy Council (1991-1992):

    31.4% Cruisers
    30.7% Sportbikes
    14.0% Standards
    12.8% Touring
    11.1% Dual-Purpose

>
>*** How about a John Bloor Triumph? :-)   
>

Sorry, Graeme.  Don't know much about Triumphs.  I've been wanting a
Harley for over ten years now and finally got my wish.  Come to think
of it I don't even know of any Triumph dealers.

I have a friend who who has a very neglected old Triumph, it's rusty,
leaks oil and runs bad.  It made him proud when his Triumph gave a
lower growl than my Honda Shadow.  When I lost the Shadow he offered
to sell his Triumph to me for $2,500 - his lowest offer.  "You gotta be
kidding?" I said.  He said that that is what classic Triumphs are
going for.  I kindly said no, and continued the pursuit of my dream.
That is the extent of my knowledge on Triumphs.

- Jerry
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:30:11 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
	<1992Dec17.144851.12550@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na

Ivan,
   Thanks but I don't need no numbers never had and never will,
just having some fun. Hey Seth as for being a conformist and
a yuppie, you definitely should watch what you say there are some
of us out here who have been around Harleys longer than some of
you have been alive!  I was only jagging with the DoH#, some readers
are serious some not. 


					john...

NO DoD#
NO DoH#		NO YUPPIE, NO WANNABE, AND NOT A WIMP
16F			so go ahead and puke.
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
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From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091)
Subject: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:30 GMT

What's the best wat to convert an 883 to 1200.  I've heard there are a number of
methods to do this.  What are the pros and cons of each.

  1) Change to 1200 jugs and use Harley factory pistons and have combustion
     chambers modified.

  2) Bore cylinders to 1200 size and use factory pistons and modify heads.

  3) Bore cylinders to 1200 and use Wiseco pistons with no head changes.

Option 3 is the cheapest but I heard the forged pistons will rattle a little when they're cold.  Will the lighter Wisecos keep the vibration downs?  I'm worried
that the heavier 1200 pistons will shake alot.

Are 1200 valves bigger than the 883?  The bike is stock except for a K&N aircleaner
and new baffles on the stock headpipes.

Thanks for you help!!!
Chuck

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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re:  Oil Cooler Questions
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.213353.5732@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|
|>I have a '92 XLH (1200 Sporty) and I'm wondering whether or not
|>to get an oil cooler- it can get kinda warm here in the summer.
|
|>If the answer is yes, is it easy enough for a minimally mechanically-
|>inclined person to install or should I have the shop do it?
|
|    Oil coolers help if you ride over 10 - 20 miles at a time or
|in heavy traffic. 

Wow, really?  I know many cycles overheat in stop and go traffic in
the hot summer, but are you saying there is an overheating problem
just riding 20 miles?  Is that just the Sportster 1200, or are there
others?  What causes this problem?

			Dave Svoboda
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:57:41 GMT

Does anybody out there have a list of the M.S.R.P's of the 
'93 sportster line? 
I know there was big price increase in the bare bones 883, but i figured
the reason was it now came with a belt.


--------------------------------
J.R. Ordon   '80 CB750C

Standard Disclaimers apply
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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:51:54 GMT


You lame conformist dweebs!  I bet you're all a bunch of wimpy yuppies!
Drop this DOH crap and get a life before I puke.

- Roid
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Question about a bike
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:10:21 GMT

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <Bz0M8q.I4s@cs.dal.ca>, ronan@ug.cs.dal.ca (brian c ronan)
>wrote:
 
>> the other day I was watching "Happy Days"
>> and I thought the "Fonz" always rode a Hog..but it
>> doesn't seem like one...

>It's a Triumph.

>Your question is no sillier than those which ask
>what T2 rode.

Do we dare mention what T1 rode? :-)

Though I suppose it could be used to argue that good guys ride Harleys
and bad guys ride Hondas. But what percentage of the Terminator was US
made, and how much was farmed out overseas?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Dec14.183830.17931@pts1.pts.mot.com>, ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091) writes:

|   3) Bore cylinders to 1200 and use Wiseco pistons with no head changes.
| 
| Option 3 is the cheapest but I heard the forged pistons will rattle a little when they're cold.  Will the lighter Wisecos keep the vibration downs?  I'm worried
| that the heavier 1200 pistons will shake alot.

  I think you will find that "cold noise" is a function of piston
clearance, and the forged pistons probably have more clearance than
cast. I've built some engines that had a bit of noise when cold, (people
said it sounded like the pistons were swapping holes) and the engines
had normal oil consumption and service life.

  I have no opinion on which way is best, just making the point about
noise... you WILL get some if you have what I consider proper clearance.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:33:10 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>-- Carl, doh #0000001340 (two of two)

>Ah, but in the tradition of such things, the non-organization's founder
>should only issue the first handful of numbers before some worthy soul
>adopts the duties of Keeper of the List. Since you claimed the first
>duplicate number, I think the honor falls on your shoulders. :-)

Oh, I think Ken's doing just fine at (not) keeping a list.  I will
assume this dubious honor only upon request from Ken, who must provide
me with a list of the already-issued numbers, lest I re-issue and
further annoy the gods of r.m.harley, who already have churning
stomachs from this not-the-DoD parody-of-a-parody not-a-not-a-club.

Besides, I like sharing a number with Chuck, even if he's disappointed
that I'm not Roid (Rhonda, my first wife, likes it that way).
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG         | "The good news is that Clinton will have to
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA |  work very hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439        |  of economic policy.  The bad news is that he
 Mail: carlp@mail.isc-br.com   |  will probably manage to do so." - Ed Ipser
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