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From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Reasons for Amiga CD-ROM
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:18:24 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <lewis.81.0@gto.jsc.nasa.gov>, lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lewis) writes:
> In article <Bzu958.DvD@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> 
> [discussion of the benefits of putting a CD-ROM into an Amiga ...]
> 
> >   I've suggested that as well.  Floptical drives and CD-ROM drives cost about
> >the same.  It is a toss-up right now which would be more beneficial in the
> >short run.  I think CD-ROM drives would be more beneficial in the long-run,
> >at any rate.
> 
> One interesting point that comes from an article in the January '93 Amiga 
> Format:
> 
> "Commodore have already pointed out to us that, to them, the cost of putting 
> a CD drive in a machine would be roughly equivalent to putting a floppy 
> drive in."
> 
> The article goes on to strongly imply that we could expect integrated CD-
> ROMS in Amigas (i.e., standard equipment) in the near future.
> 
> IMO, this would be quite nice.
> 
> -Steve

I read the article too.   They suggested that an Amiga should appear with a
CD-ROM, and NO floppy drive.   This is a mistake - how is someone supposed to
save a word processor file - oh I forgot, the credit card slot on the side.

But what about moving files to older Amigas?   Ah, the serial link.

Still not brilliant - not everyone has access to modems or networks.

THINK AGAIN AMIGA FORMAT - I KNOW YOU READ THESE NEWS GROUPS.

								Ian A. Inman.
From: jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:15:24 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <C0n89n.A42@newcastle.ac.uk> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>
>In article <stefan.35w3@terapin.com>, stefan@terapin.com (Stefan Eguizabal) writes:
>> From an Amiga user (and lover) to anyone:
>>         Why is it that all the big PC and Macintosh devolopers seem to be
>> ignoring the Amiga? Don't big companies like Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and
>> Cricket realize what a treasure a community like the Amiga is? Many Amiga users
>> are desperate for good productivity software, and yet are adamant about not
>> going over to IBM or Apple, because the Amiga is definitely the superior
>> computer. I am one of those. If Microsoft came out with Word or Excel today, I
>> would go out and buy it, no matter how much it cost, because programs like
>> Professional Calc (Gold Disk), and MaxiPlan (The Disc Comapany) are like big
>> jokes...they're really pathetic! Somebody, please, you've got to know!
>
>The only way to convince, say Microsoft to do this would be to convince them that
>there would be sufficient return.
>
>If such companies would wake up to the size of the European Amiga market, I think
>they would soon change their minds.

I think the reason that these companies do not right for the Amiga is that there
are roughly only 1 million Amigas inplace in the USA. Then you have to ask yourself
how many of these users are using their Amiga in a business enviroment. I would
guess not many. I know of one software developer who had to port two of their
Amiga programs over to the IBM because they could not maintain the business
because sales of the Amiga software just could not keep them going. Some Amiga
users would brand them as "traitors". But this company loves the Amiga andit's
users and will keep on developing and updating the Amiga software. So as long as
thier IBM and MAC sales keep them in Amiga market I say more power to them. But I
digress.:) Maybe Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and Cricket do have not ported their
software to the Amiga is because they have never had the pleasure of using an
Amiga.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:07:05 GMT

In article <stefan.35w3@terapin.com>, stefan@terapin.com (Stefan Eguizabal) writes:
|> From an Amiga user (and lover) to anyone:
|>         Why is it that all the big PC and Macintosh devolopers seem to be
|> ignoring the Amiga? Don't big companies like Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and
 Cricket realize what a treasure a community like the Amiga is? Many Amiga users
|> are desperate for good productivity software, and yet are adamant about not
|> going over to IBM or Apple, because the Amiga is definitely the superior
| computer. I am one of those. If Microsoft came out with Word or Excel today, I
|> would go out and buy it, no matter how much it cost, because programs like
|> Professional Calc (Gold Disk), and MaxiPlan (The Disc Comapany) are like big
|> jokes...they're really pathetic! Somebody, please, you've got to know!

Why do companies do anything?  They are in the buisiness of making
money.  Anything a company does is directly related to profit.
If Microsoft thought they could make decent money selling ports
of their PC software to the Amigans, they would.  Let me ask you a
question.  How much software have you actually bought compared to how
much you have pirated?  The great majority of amiga users are 500 owners
who probably can't afford $x00 for a word processor or whatever.
From: puma.uucp!john@becca.rain.com (John Meissen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga mentioned in CGW
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:23:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: puma.C0r73E.BI8
Organization: Rosetta Technologies, Inc


Yesterday I received the latest issue of Computer Graphics World. This
issue contains an article called "Prime Time Proving Ground for 3D
Graphics" which includes a relatively lengthy and favorable discussion
of the use of the Amiga in the production of "Babylon 5" and an upcoming
Steven Spielberg series called "Sea Quest".

Some quotes that the net might enjoy (taken without permission)........

Thorton*, who began creating effects in 1978 with miniatures and motion
control equipment, bought a Video Toaster in 1990. "I tried creating
something that looked like the cover of a science fiction book but
was also scientifically accurate," he says. "When I finished the test, I
sold my motion control equipment."

(* Ron Thorton is the special effects creator for Babylon 5 - jlm)

..... asked if he could make B5 work with computer graphics. He did -
using Video Toasters and eight Amiga 2000's with '040 accelerators
and 32 meg of RAM for rendering. He notes proudly that if he added up the
cost of the entire rendering network, including overhead and "even the
furniture," it would still cost less than one good workstation with
high-end animation software.

......"In one shot," says animator Mark Swain who worked on the project,
"the camera starts in the control room and pulls back all the way into
hyperspace, where we see the planets, and reveals the huge space
station. In one shot!" he exclaims. "and we did it on a home computer,
for God's sake."

The article is enjoyable, and for once won't generate a slew of "why
don't you ever talk about the Amiga?!?!" letters.

Computer Graphics World, January, 1993, Vol 16, No. 1


-- 
John Meissen                                  becca!puma!john
Rosetta Technologies, Inc.                    puma!john@becca.rain.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re:  New program: CaveComm
Summary: My first BLAZEMONGER related post!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:46:43 GMT

In article <jperkski.02v0@kentcomm.uucp> jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski) writes:

>Is this a real program? CaveComm?

If it is it's a Copyright violation.  BLAZEMONGER already has smoke
signaling capabilities, it even uses real smoke too.  You have to
get a new motherboard after getting to this level (6.93893e102) 
though. 

>--
>kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us
>kentcomm!jperkski@aldhfn.akron.oh.us
>  (Where am I when I need me?!)

(I seriously doubt it's real.)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: wirth@igd.fhg.de (Hanno Wirth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble writing to MSDOS disk with MessyDos.
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:38:34 GMT
Organization: IGD FHG Darmstadt, FRG

In article <1993Jan4.222235.7394@ra.msstate.edu> jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
>
> ajmex@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:
>>I am have been using Messydos quite successfully for a while now to read 
>>files from a MSDOS disk, but I have had trouble writing to a MSDOS disk.
[...stuff deleted...]
>
>>Does anyone have any idea why this is?
>
>    Don't use messyfmt to format a disk. Use an I*M machine. Messyfmt
> doesn't seem to work. The 386s here at work run DOS 5.0 and don't
> acknowledge any floppy I have tried that I had formated with messyfmt.

I also use MSH ver. 1.30, and I never had any problems using disks formatted
with messyfmt on either PCs (any DOS version) or even Ataris here at work. You
should check your format parameters.

[...stuff deleted...]
>
>    You're welcome. DJ.
>

Happy new Year!

	Hanno

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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodity question
Summary: AmigaGuide is already available
Keywords: documentation amigaguide
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:24:52 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <crystal.726270364@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>In <38304@cbmvax.commodore.com> ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals) writes:
>.... we do fully intend
>>to start producing some docs in AmigaGuide format, and that will go a long
>>way toward augmenting our docs in general, and making up for any lack of
>>printed docs that may be necessary.  
>
>Great!  So does that mean that AmigaGuide will be available for EVERYONE,
>even 2000 owners?  As a free upgrade of course... ;>  

In a sense, AmigaGuide is already available for everyone, since we are now
shipping MultiView with Release 3 machines, which lets you view AG docs.  
And developers have been shipping products for quite a while with
AmigaGuide docs.

As to how future versions of AG will be released, or how much it would cost,
etc. I certainly couldn't say.  It's a fairly safe bet that it would be made
available for all machines, at least back to the Release 2 level.

>Kinda useless to print up documentation in a format that can't be accessed
>by those who need it.  (IMHO)
>
>I'm all for saving trees...but sometimes paper is more accessible to the 
>masses...

Right.  Don't expect AmigaGuide documentation to completely replace any of
the paper variety.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: vinberg@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Olli Vinberg)
Subject: an FTP-site for Printer-drivers?
Keywords: Printer
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:54:44 GMT

I am looking for a driver for Star SG-10 (an old 8-pin printer)
The printer understands also IBM control-codes (?)

an FTP-site which has any printer-drivers will do.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:38:06 GMT

(Colas Nahaboo) writes:
>Word perfect is a very old program, with a user-hostile user interface.
>People who bought amigas expect a more user-friendly prgrm than that.
>Either they want power and buy AmigaTeX, or they want user-friendliness, and
>Final Copy (and others) are competing on this niche, or they buy amax and just
>run a Mac program.
>
>Word perfect can only suceed in a PC market with customers with low
>expectations.
>
>PS: What we need is frame maker!

    I have used Frame Maker on a Sun workstation. Excellent program.
Final Copy is headed in the right direction... Maybe they will make FC 
into a sort-of Frame Maker for the Amiga ! DJ.

-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: bath@hunnas (David Bath)
Subject: Re: Here's an idea for a different ring-detect
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:56:00 GMT


I wrote a small program to achieve this.  However it's very specific to
my local conditions, and not generally fit for public consumption.

All I did was monitor the Carrier Detect signal every 10ms.  If it glitches,
I let out a tone through one of the audio channels.  

I can then decide how important what I'm doing is, and hang up the modem
to take the incoming call.  This only works well if:

 you've got an error correcting modem
 your modem drops CD when it hears the tone
 you can tell your modem not to give up unless CD has dropped for an
  extended period (I think I set mine to about 10 secs).

It still suffers from false alarms sometimes (i.e. sometimes line noise will
also make the modem drop CD) but for the most part, whenever I hear the tone,
I just hit the "hang up" button on the modem and voila .... the phone rings
with the new incoming call.
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From: staff@rabbit.augs.se (Staffan Friberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: HERE HERE! *toast*
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:11:08 GMT
Organization: Amiga User Group Sweden
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1993Jan10.024822.10112@netcom.com> damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
> In <C0M894.EEp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> >I'd just like to thank all the FreeWare/ShareWare programmers out there
> >for making EXCELLENT stuff, comparable with commercial software.  You've
> >made peoples' Amigas able to grow, without eating our wallets.  THANK
> >YOU!
> >    John Veldthuis (Virus_Checker)
> >    Stefan Becker (ToolManager 2.0)
> >    "Zop" (Csh)
> >    Holger Kruse (ReOrg)
> >    Ed Mackey (EdPlayer)
> >    Nic Wilson (SysInfo)
> >    Sebastiano Vigna (Mostra)
> >And, of course, enormous thanks to Fred Fish!
>
> i'll second that, and i'd like to add to the list:
>
>       Stefan Stuntz (MagicFileRequestor2.0e)
>       Torkell Lodberg (NComm2.0)[where are you Torkell??]
>       J.E. Hanway (HamLabPlus 2.0.8)
>       Greg Peters (Directory Master 1.1)[i only wish i had a current address
>                                          to send the shareware fee to]
>       David Jenkins (ClockDJ 5.02)
>       Fridtjof Siebert (MuchMore 3.0)
>
> i use these programs so frequently, and they are all highly polished, friendly
> and extremely useful.
>
> Hats off to you guys!!

I would also like to add a few people:

    Stefan Boberg (LhA)
    Matt Dillon (DICE,DME,DMouse... and so on)
    Dave Haynie (DiskSalv)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:34:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.222810.4171@news.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:
>stefan@terapin.com (Stefan Eguizabal) writes:
>
>>From an Amiga user (and lover) to anyone:
>>        Why is it that all the big PC and Macintosh devolopers seem to be
>>ignoring the Amiga? Don't big companies like Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and
>>Cricket realize what a treasure a community like the Amiga is? Many Amiga users
>>are desperate for good productivity software, and yet are adamant about not
>>going over to IBM or Apple, because the Amiga is definitely the superior
>>computer. I am one of those. If Microsoft came out with Word or Excel today, I
>>would go out and buy it, no matter how much it cost, because programs like
>>Professional Calc (Gold Disk), and MaxiPlan (The Disc Comapany) are like big
>>jokes...they're really pathetic! Somebody, please, you've got to know!

  Professional Calc isn't that pathetic!  It has ARexx and you can get it
  to do things you want it to do by using ARexx.
>
>This one's easy.
>Because it's not worth their time and effort.  The Amiga market is still such a
>small part of the computer market in the US that it's not feasible finacially
>to port the software to the Amiga.  In any case, the Amiga market is likely
>better off without Micro$oft.  Every time Apple has upgraded either their
>hardware or software, virtually every M$ product on the market breaks.  That
>sort of track record I can do without.

  More money for Micro$oft.  Everytime it breaks you gotta go out and buy
  another upgrade!  They have a big enough installed user base to get away
  with this, where as the Amiga doesn't.
>
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:19515 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:22486
From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:01:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:

>Not at all... ...there's quite a gap between 2.1 and 3.0.  2.1 basically only
>adds AmigaGuide, CrossDOS, internationalization, the icon-based Devs, and
>sound prefs, while 3.0 also has MultiView, DataTypes, AGA support, new video
>prefs, a vastly improved layers library, faster fd & hd access/transfer even
>with FFS, and a lot more (I don't have any tech docs).

Actually, AmigaGuide is *not* included with 2.1.  (More's the pity -- at
least I got one with SAS/C 6.0).
-- 
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: khan@cheshire.oxy.edu (Onnie Lynn Winebarger)
Subject: Re: A1200 HD question
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:26:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.171708.8502@medsys.rn.com> wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
>ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>
>>For all you Amiga "guru's" :)
>
>>I've had my 1200HD/80 for a week and a half.  The problem is this :)
>>My Maxtor HD is acting flakey.  It started giving me block errors as
>>I put stuff onto the HD.  Needless to say I immediately whipped out 
>>HDtoolbox and did a "verify drive."  Five times I ran it and five
>>times it came back with "No Errors"!  However when I would attempt to
>>read certain files I still got the "block error" requestor.
>
>>OK me thinks, let us do a low level format!  Well I tried and tried AND
>>tried, but it never worked!  Nothing was ever deleted! No Low level format
>>was ever done!  Before I yell at C= or my dealer, I thought I'd see if
>>I was doing anything wrong.
>
>>Can anybody give me any clues?
>
>Is this a Maxtor 2585AT you're using? I'm going to be installing two of these
>particular drives for customers in 1200's either Tuesday or Wednesday of this
>week. I sure hope they work ok! Has anyone verified whether they have the 
>64K maxtransfer bug many 2.5" drives have? I thought I read that they didn't.
>
>
>-- 
>-- Wendell Dingus    internet:  wendell@medsys.rn.com       //  
>--    uucp:  uunet!gator!medsys!wendell    Only AMIGA!    \X/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you couldn't low-level format any
IDE hard drive.  This could present a real problem :).
Lynn
khan@cheshire.oxy.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 18:07:45 GMT

In article <C0Fuyt.LzL@news.cs.andrews.edu> adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:
>In article <1ic777INNfu6@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>>I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>>: 
>>: I thought Commodore went straight from WB2.04/2.05 to WB3.0.
>>
>>I think it was a beta version of WB3 sent to developers so they can make
>>sure their progs work under the new opsys.
>>
>I thought, the final release of version 2.04 was renamed into version 2.1.
>So essentially 2.04 is the same as 2.1
>
>Am I being mislead here?  Anyone from commodore want to verify this?

  I've got 2.04 and 2.1 for my A3000 (and 2.03 if anyone cares :-).
Trust me, they're not the same thing.

  The dates of the files on my 2.1 are from spring/summer '92.  The dates
on my 3.0 files (A1200) are late summer/fall.  Its possible C= could
have used 2.1 to beta AGA machines until 3.0 came out...

>|    Procrastination is my sin          | Edsel Adap

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