From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:15:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

burkhardt@FORCE.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>This is a ridiculous statement/paragraph to write.  Of course at least 98%
>of all people who get abortions or support abortion are "Pro-Abortion".  

First of all, the people who actually have abortions are not the only people
who support the pro-choice movement.  I, for one, have never had an abortion,
and I am pro-choice.  What about all the men who are pro-choice?  

Ridiculous?  I think we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

>If they were not, then alternatives would be used.  But for various reasons,
>such as laziness, selfishness... those alternatives are not used.  I'm sick

So, people who choose abortion are lazy and selfish?  Yes, those bitches who
would rather complete their education than give up their live to support
a child on a minimum wage income are really selfish.  Because everyone knows
that having one more mouth to feed in this overpopulated world and one
more unemployable welfare mother is certainly worth letting one more 
potentially useful citizen slip into poverty and despair.

If I found myself pregnant before I was finished with high school or college,
you bet I would have an abortion.  I choose not to let the potential life
of another cut short the life that that I already have.  By engaging in
intercourse, I accept the possibility that I might become pregnant, and I
accept responsiblity for that.  That responsiblity does not automatically
mean having the child.

>and tired of hearing about "they do not have the right to force values".  In
>the mere act of abortion/murder the woman is forcing values onto the would-be

Let me get this straight, its okay for one person to force values on another
person, but its not okay for a person to force values on a potential person.
Sorry.  This isn't very convincing.  Basically you're saying that you can
force your values on me because you're right and I can't force my values on
a fetus because I'm wrong.  Nope.  Doesn't work.

>baby.  As was said in another discussion, when having sex those two people
>make the decision to live with the possibilities including having a baby.  To

No.  That should be "making" a baby, not necessarily "having" one.

>make a distinction between "carrying a baby or merely fetal tissue" is an
>intellectual(not very good at that) distinction that ignores the fact that 
>it is a life with intellegence and is a human being.

It is not a fact that it has "intelligence" and is a "human being".

However, call it whatever you want, but if it can't live without being 
attached to me, then it comes under my jurisdiction, and if it is in my 
best interests to abort it, then I will.  

I'm interested in the health and well-being and quality of life of those
of us who are already here. Those waiting to get in will wait.  (I'm 
referring to souls waiting for a body.)



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