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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:43:20 GMT

georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos) writes:
: You are right, of course: resistance is resistance, no matter what the
: source; and removing (most) of the air resistance simply moves rolling
: resistance and other mechanical stuff to the head of the line.  WHICH
: STILL HAS TO BE OVERCOME BY THE RIDER.

This is not correct.  A properly designed fairing on the lead vehicle
can and most certainly does provide a propelling wind for the following
cyclist.  As Jobst offered in example, have you ever ridden in a
convertible car and felt the wind blowing your hair forward?  This is a
common trait of most convertibles, and amply demonstrates this sort of
propulsion.  Even if you assume that Secrest is much more powerful that
Eddy Merckx and Francesco Moser combined, the power he produces is
absolutely negligible compared to the power required to propel a bicycle
and rider at those speeds.  The power comes from the lead vehicle, not
from the rider.  If the rider were truly forced to overcome rolling
resistance, then a rider going three times Secrest's speed would have to
produce three times the power.  Do you really believe that John Howard
cranks out around three times the horsepower of Secrest?  Actually,
since Howard did his ride on the salt flats with motorcycle tires his
coefficient of rolling resistance was much higher than Secrest's, so he
must have put out well over three times the power of Secrest.  No, I
don't think so.

: As I've said in this group
: before, I have had significant contact with some of these RAAM guys,
: Secrest included, and have SEEN and TRIED what they do...  And they
: are astonishing athletes.  Period.  And I am also sick of the Euros
: scoffing at their achievements, calling them "neanderthals" and the
: like.  It's simply arrogance rationalizing ignorance.  

Nobody in this discussion has made any disparaging remarks about the
abilities of Secrest or other RAAM participants.  What has been stated
is that motor paced records in general are tricky, dangerous stunts
which do not necessarily require great riding strength.  I will
certainly admit that I could not equal Secrest's 24 hour motor paced
record, but in this case it is an indication of his ability to operate
better under conditions of sleep deprivation, not his cycling ability.
This is not meant to denigrate his abilities, but rather to point out
that this particular record indicates nothing about his cycling
abilities.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Questions on Sew-ups
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:03:22 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems

I am about to get a set of wheels with sew-up rims on them. I have always 
ridden clinchers and want to start using sew-ups on my bike for some events
I compete in. Time Trials and Crit racing will be the major use for this
wheelset. I have a question, how do you glue tubulars to the rim? I know
the basics of spread glue on tire and rim, wait till sticky, apply tire to
rim, straighten tire, inflate. I am looking for more in the way of tips on
how to get the best performance from the tire/rim combination. Any information
will be greatly appreciated, my knees will also thank you. 

-- mike --

-- 
                 -=---------  Michael C. Whitman
               ---===-------  National System Engineer - Telecom
             -----=====-----  Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------=======---  1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250
         ---------=========-  Vienna, VA 22182

	Phone: (703) 848-2050	Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:27:33 GMT

In <64102@hydra.gatech.EDU> ts24@prism.gatech.EDU (SHANDS,TIMOTHY G) writes:

>With the new bike I have noticed several differences, both pro and con:

>1) I could tour more miles with less energy on the road bike.  I have no
>way of quantifying this other than subjective experience, but I would guess
>about a 20% decrease in miles/day on the mountain bike versus the road bike.
>This is most probably due to the wider tires with lower pressure.

>4) I can practically go anywhere on my mountain bike.  I have taken roads
>that I would never have considered with the road bike using the thin tires.  I
>have gone up and down gravel roads with 15-20 degree grades.  I have ridden on
>hiking trails of mud, rock, etc.  I have been forced off the road by tractor 
>trailers into ditches without wrecking.  I have jumped curbs.  All this fully
>loaded with panniers.

I certainly find it easier to cover the miles on a touring bike than on
a mountain bike.  I gues that the more the MB looks like the TB (drop
bars, etc.), the easier it gets.

It isn't essential to have skinny tires on a TB.  I have a really hot
bike which I've ridden with both 1" and 1-1/8" high-pressure tires, and
it really is a lot of fun but I can feel the road and it bounces around
on gravel.  My heavy touring bike is an old Mikado Gaspe which came with
1-1/4" tire in front and 1-3/8" in back.  The rear tire is supposed to
carry only about 45 psi.  It really works great on bad roads and gravel.
-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: gwalker@lily04.waterloo.edu (Greg Walker)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:43:47 GMT

In article <rjg.712440445@guinan>, rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:

> How would you like it if every car that
> passed you on the road honked its horn as it passed you. This action indicates
> that the passing vehicle thinks you were not aware of or anticipating the
> the action of passing.

Wrong.  This is the common North American view, however.  The horn is much
more effective as a safety device, not a "YOU IDIOT!" proclaimer.  If you
use your horn with the intention, "Hey, there!  *Just in case* you didn't
see me, I'm right here.", you avoid getting into a lot of hazardous sit-
uations.

> [some stuff deleted for brevity's sake]
> Honking and bells should be reserved for ``unusual situations'' otherwise they
> just become to common and end up being ignored.

I'm told that Europeans, (the French in particular), use their horns as I
described above, and that Paris is a constant cacophony of those chirpy
little import car horns.  (I.e. not the American-made fog horns usually found
on Buicks et al).  Nevertheless, you can still tell which horns are being
sounded near you, and the drivers don't simply ignore them, the same way
that we don't ignore turn signals.
-- 
Greg Walker           "It's hard to work in groups when you're omnipotent" -- Q
University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
gwalker@descartes.waterloo.edu
From: neilf@delfin.com (Neil Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cycling in Barcelona....
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:43:39 GMT
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Does any one have detailed race results from the Olympics..... If you could
please post them... Thanks...

-nlf-
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: Behemoth
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:51:23 GMT

In article <55094@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.171206.24804@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>>The internet address for Behemoth is:
>>
>>WORDY@bike.lab.sun.com
>>
>>He's also on GEnie network and America on Line as WORDY.
>>You can read stories about histravels and technical updates ...
>>when you contact these boards.*
>>
>>
>
>This address must not be right. It got bounched back.
>
I swear I got the address straight from Bicycling's article.  I checked
to make sure I didn't typo.  

However, I also remember reading an article on the bike in SunExpert
Mag.  I will try getting the info from them.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: repair kits
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:33:07 GMT

In article <33050129@hpmwgde2.sr.hp.com> budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren) writes:
   >Anyway, I wonder what tools other rec.bicyclists carry on tours (or on
   >everyday rides for that matter)?  Is there any tool I haven't listed that
   >you believe is essential?  

   A VISA card with a lot of head room!  I say this only half in jest.

A cellular phone to call a taxi when you get a flat several miles from 
nowhere and your patch kit is AWOL. 

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
From: ray@hrtpc.cmhnet.org (Ray Thornton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 10:47:38 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: P.W. Publishing Company, Columbus, Ohio USA

josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

> In <1992Jul20.171156.20659@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Ste
> 
> >In article <SCHENG.92Jul20092734@bcarh886.bnr.ca>, scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca 
> >  (Spencer Cheng) writes:
> >  
> > > Hybrids and mtn bikes do not make great touring bikes. 
> 
> >I just wanted to disagree with this statement (rest of article deleted).
> >Road-based hybrids (drop bars) make excellent touring bikes.  
> 
> I have to agree.
> 
> My hybrid has all the braze-ons I need for water bottles, low-riders,
> racks, etc.  It has clearance for wide tires and fenders.  The stock

Same here. I exclusively camp when I tour and I got tired of pushing my
loaded touring bike through deep gravel or soupy dirt to get to a camp 
site. The hybrid is the answer to my problems and I'm glad I got one. 
I live, literially downtown and the hybrid fills my needs around home
and on the _back_ roads.    -ray

________________________________________
ray@hrtpc.cmhnet.org  Columbus, Ohio USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mfaison@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Michele Faison)
Subject: Re: LEMOND BASHERS?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:08:50 GMT

david@postman.gr.osf.org  writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.093645.7689@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> |> This year, he has ridden
> |> the Tour de Trump (and won), the Giro (top 5 placing),
                 ~~~~~
Tour du Pont....and I've heard/read a rumor (here on the net?)
that du Pont is considering sponsoring a team...perhaps
profiting by Team Z's disbanding.

The TdP is generally in or around Richmond for 2-3 days.  Very
exciting stuff for a smallish southern city!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: uevans@mcnc.org (Elizabeth A. Evans)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:50:21 GMT

>How many mtn/hybrids comes with braze-on's for 3 water bottle cages?
>you need 2 for water bottles and one for the fuel bottle unless you
>wish to keep you fuel bottle next to your clothes/food in your
>pannier. 

Ah.  So *that's* what the third set of braze-ons on my Haro mountain
bike is for.  I plan on using it to get someone to make a mounting for a
Super Soaker so I can have it at the ready instead of having to pack it
in my pannier or rack pack.  (Although in the (insultated) rack pack,
the water does stay nice and cold...)

The third set on my Haro is on my handlebar stem -----------
						      |  <- here, I
						      mean
by the way... perfect for the Super Soaker mounting.

-- Libby
From: billyg@lahonda.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Gogesch)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Call for help in hit and run
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:20:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: regional
Reply-To: billyg@lahonda.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: lahonda


*****************************************************************************
Last week, my friend Bob Akullian was killed by a hit-and-run driver in
Mountain View, as he bicycled to work.  This message is to ask for your help in
locating the vehicle that killed him.
 
  This is important to me, because if the driver is found and if he
  has insurance, it could make a real difference to the financial
  situation of Bob's wife and children.
 
The police have a partial license plate number. It is:  3L8593.   (This comes
from witnesses, and it's possible the numbers are slightly jumbled.)
 
The vehicle is a late-model Ford Ranger pickup truck.  The missing right mirror
and other front-end damage from the accident may have been repaired by now.
The color was medium blue with silver trim, but it could be freshly repainted,
so don't limit your looking by color.  If you think you see the vehicle, you
should write down the license number and call the Mountain View police
department 415-903-6433.  Ask for the on-duty traffic officer, or, if he is
available, Officer Delaossa.
 
When the police were asked if it was useful for me and my friends to keep a
lookout for this vehicle, the answer was a definite yes.  If you can help, the
family and all Bob's friends will be grateful.
 
--Tom Devine
 


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Scott AT-4's (was: Putting your bike on a diet)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:49:02 GMT


>(3) Integrated handlebar: (eg Scott AT4) Replaced handle bar/bar end combo,
>                          although installing brake levers & shifters can  
>                          be difficult because of the sharp turns in the bar.

This is an understatment! I almost thought I was going to have to ship
the AT-4's back becaues the bends were so sharp. If you put them on
yourself, soap them up real good (I used plain old liquid hand soap,
since it will wash right off with water). Also plan on removing most
of the paint on the bends. I really didn't care becaues I planned on
wrapping them anyways. But once there on, you'll be glad you did.
Great improvement....

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:23:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Results: Olympics, first day
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:

>According to this morning's LA Times, Inga tried to get others to help
>chase Watt down (she knew about Watt's strengths) but no one would go
>out after her.  They all figured they could chase her down before the
>end. 

Then I wonder why she didn't go with Longo when the frenchwoman made the 
attempt to chase?  Is there so much animosity between them that Inga
would throw away her medal hopes to avoid working with her?

-Bud
From: pschulz@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Schulz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TdF, Team Scoring?
Keywords: TdF
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:47:33 GMT

Question for netland:  How are the times of the teams decided on?
	(During the TTT it was the fifth rider over the line. Does this
	also apply for when they are racing in a normal stage?)

also... mentioned on our coverage in Australia, what is illegial feeding?
	(and what's the fine.)  Are there any other rules or restrictions
	that are in effect during this race.  (ie Is it true that they 
	get fined for not wearing a helmet?)

From somebody who would like to know more about the details of this race...

Paul

--
Paul Schulz - Dept of Physics and Mathematical Physics             __o
(pschulz@physics.adelaide.edu.au)                                 -\<,
.. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... (*)/(*)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Where to ride in New Zealand?
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 03:45:42 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <21664@sybase.sybase.com> larryb (Larry Bernstein) writes:
>Hi,
>I'm planning to do a trip to New Zealand the end of November to
>early December (total of 14 days). Currently the plan is to fly 
>in to Auckland, rent a van and a couple mountain bikes, drive 
>down to the south island , do a series of day mountain bike 
>trips, and stay at guest houses. I'd appreciate if anyone can
>share insite into any or all of the following:
>- possible pit falls of this plan, 

The Inter-island ferry is quite expensive (exactly how much, I'm not sure),
so you might consider flying to Christchurch and get a van there (or a
campervan - see below).  Of course then you miss out on seeing the NI.

>- where to ride, 

Another vote for "Classic NZ Mountain bike rides".

>- where to stay, 

YHA Hostels if you're a member, or any of the many private hostels springing
up.  Most campgrounds have cheap bunk rooms.  Consider renting a campervan
(something like a mini-RV).  They are very popular and you almost certainly
will need to book in advance.  The school summer holidays start 1 or 2 weeks
into December, so you are probably going to miss the crowds.

>- advice on renting mountain bikes on north or south island.

Like another poster suggested, both buying and renting can be expensive.
Many US/Euro tourists bring new bikes from home, then sell them here before
leaving; sometimes for a profit.  

>Larry Bernstein

Hugh Grierson
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein)
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:01:03 GMT

 The best way to check for a loose headset is NOT to 'hold the front
 brake firmly and rock the bike back and forth'. This can be very
 misleading (many brakes have enough slack to give a false impression of
 headset looseness, which may cause one to overly tighten the headset
 and possibly damage it). A good way to check headset adjustment is to
 clamp the bike on a repair stand - (I know everyone has a repair stand,
 right? ;)) and with (for example) your right hand, grasp the front
 wheel/fork and place your left have behind the head tube, with your
 thumb in contact with the headset nut. Push and pull with your right
 hand (the one down by the front hub) - you're trying to feel any
 knocking in your left hand. The compression nut, and the lock nut
 should be adjusted to JUST stop this knocking - this process should
 leave one with a nicely adjusted headset.

 Also, a quick and dirty check for _over-tightness- is to angle the
 bike (while it's still on the stand) to face down at about a 30 degree
 angle (nothing precise here) and turn the front wheel to the left or
 right about 60 degrees and let it fall - the wheel/handlebar should
 oscillate back and forth about 2-3 times - overtightened headsets
 become very obvious as they will either 'stick' or dampen the swinging
 wheel quite quickly.

 Hope this helps and isn't toooooo long winded! (or is the head winded?)

 <Josh>


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:44:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205104.10710@news.unomaha.edu> KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger) writes:
>L'Alpe D'Huez    lalp-DO-ez              lalp-do-AY
>
>There are *a lot* more, but those are the ones that really grate against
>my ears when I hear them.  I can speak Spanish and get by in French, so
>I suppose I'm extrasensitive to these things. :)  They're surprisingly
>not too bad with most of the Italian words, but I think that is because
>they're harder to sound out, so the announcers asked someone who can speak
>the language.

Actually L'Alpe D'Huez is pronounced lalp-uh-do-EZ.  At least this is
how the people in the town itself call it. (also in Bourg d'Oisans, Huez
itself and Grenoble)  So you are both half correct. :-) (I know, I've been 
there. :-)

ObTrivia:  What is the correct pronunciation of the French town of "Reims"?


>/*        Kurt Krueger | kkrueger@zeus.unomaha.edu | kkrueger@unoma1        */

Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:04:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 

last year lemond spoke of chiapucci as a "bandit". i suspect, if he could
ride the way chiappuccino does he'd proclaim himself a fighter.
i remember lemond quitting the nissan tour in '86 on the last stage leaving
bauer with no help against kelly, or him dropping out giro when boyer made a
run on gc (italian press loved it).
he is too much of a primadonna, but he's no merckx or hinault.

aaron
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:30:07 GMT

In article <2A73255D.3B80@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>
[ Lots of negative comments on cycling deleted ]

Evan, why are you so hostile to cyclists?  I really would like to know
why you are so opposed to cycling as an alternative to driving.  Heck,
we're not talking about forcing you to cycle instead of drive!

For every poorly maintained bike, I can show you a poorly maintained
car.  For every reckless or incompetent cyclist, I can show you a
reckless or incompetent driver.  Which do you think poses the greatest
threat?

Anyway, it might please you to hear that the day I was in a hurry and
cycled past a stop sign without stopping, I did get a ticket.  So the
laws are enforced for cyclists.  (I still see lots of car zooming
past that stop sign, though.)

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: Help! Knee Pain
Organization: none
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:25:57

In article <Bs5pLp.B56@news.udel.edu> wilhited@brahms.udel.edu (Douglas Ben Wilhite) writes:

>   YIPES!!! Hang on a sec..  Aspirin is far, far, far from being an anti-    
>   inflamatory agent.  In fact, it is quite the opposite - its primary action
>   is to cause a general vasodilation, increasing blood flow to most parts of
>   the body.
>
>   DON'T take aspirin, unless you want your knee to swell.
>
 
"More recently it has become clear that the prostaglandin hypothesis
explains only some of the effects of asprin and related compounds.
Their crucial *anti-inflamatory* power appears to to stem not only
from from protaglandin inhibition but from their ability to disrupt
interactions within cell membranes."

Gerald Weissmann, Asprin, Scientific American, January 1991 at 84
(emphasis added).