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From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:57:34 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <92210.035504ELE@psuvm.psu.edu> ELE@psuvm.psu.edu (jeremy) writes:
=In article <4874@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
=(Tim Streater) says:
=>
=>In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil
=>Postlethwaite) writes:
=>>Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
=>>had really gotten out of hand.
=>            ~~~~~~
=>              |
=>              |
=> +------------+
=> |
=>Yers, well, that's an example of an Americanism right there (and there went
=>another!). Fellow should be drummed out.
=>
=>Tim.
=
=False.  "Gotten" is a perfectly ordinary English (ie, from England) word.
=We here in Blighty *used* to use it, it went to the US and stayed, meanwhile
=it died out over here (although is survived in words like "forgotten").

I know you have this little piece of trivia stored up and had a wonderful
chance to show it off, but, as you say, the word died out. It is an
ex-word. We had it, we tried it, and found it faulty so we rejected it.
As we know, others do not have our superbly fine tuned sense of good
taste.

Dick Jackson

(Another thread: on my way to work (near Los Angeles airport) is a
very large building with the words "Xerox Centre" on it. Curious.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: help
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:25:19 GMT

In article <3657@keele.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
> From article <1992Jul29.145720.16317@osf.org>, by sp@mirabeau.osf.fr
(Simon Patience):
> >> "College" normally indicates some form of higher education, but normally
> >> below University level. 
>  
> > Unless, of course, you went to a collegiate University (ie a University
> > made up of a number of normally fairly autonomous parts, eg Oxford,
> > Cambridge, London and doubtless others that I can't think of right
> now).
> 
> Well Durham springs to mind. I went to Oxford which is why I used
> *normally* at this point, but I think this is confusing the general issue
> when looked at from the outside. My
> feeling is that it's only within the University community that Oxbridge
> colleges take precedent in conversation over say the phrase "Oxford
> University". Comment as to whether I'm right or wrong would be intriguing.

I went to University College, of London University so I get the
confusion all the time [let me get it straight, did you go to College or
University? Yes!]
This is probably the reason I brought it up. Sorry and all that.

> .... But there aren't any Polytechnics any more they've all become
> Universities as far as I know, which is why I left this out. Staffs
Poly down the road has certainly
> become the University of Staffordshire. The only one I don't know about
> is Oxford Poly which may still be a Poly - any one know what it's called
> if it isn't?

Is this really true? Are all (well virtually all) Polys now
Universities? I knew that they had the option, I didn't know how many
had taken up the option. Any info anyone? 

Simon.

  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:15:19 GMT

In article <10261@scott.ed.ac.uk> sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Soren Harder) writes:
>ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron) writes:
>>  There is only one GB team in cricket.  It's called England,

*       No it isn't, it's called the Marleybone Cricket Club (MCC).


	   Alec.
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:51:19 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <njduiqs@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.125216.23368@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>|> From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>|> In article <1992Jul20.084847.18570@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>|> |> What is democratic about this? Why is it that Americans often
>|> |> use the word "democratic" in contexts where it has nothing at
>|> |> all to do with the people having real power over government,
>|> |> which is what "democratic" actually means?
>|> >
>|> >Buy a dictionary.   Meaning 2b of the word "democratic" in
>|> >the American Heritage Dictionary is "carried on by the people
>|> >in general".
>|> 
>|> All this means is that Americans have misused the word for so
>|> long that the misuse has got into the dictionary.
>
>And all that means is that you have decided to reject common 
>usage.    An elistist pedant rejects a common usage of the 
>word - wait for it - "democracy".  No surprise there, I'd say.
>
>Why should the people take advice on democracy from someone
>who wants to impose archaic usage on them?

BREAK!

It doesn't surprise me in the least to find that "democratic" needs to be
added to that ever-growing list of words which mean different things on either
side of the Atlantic. In fact, I doubt that the British and American meanings
have ever had much in common apart from such platitudes as "everybody has a
vote" - we don't even agree on who "everybody" is in our respective
democracies.

Nick.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Meelor  riots
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:27:02 GMT

In article <BHqioB1w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

|>1) The David Mellor affair is sure stirring up some heat, but no as
|>bad as the
|>   Profumo Affair.
|>
|>2) Riots in Britain.  Shades of the Brixton incident.
|>
|>My,my.  Ghosts are haunting the Tories like crazy.

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to reelect it.

Phill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:16:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.123429.21819@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
]In article <1992Jul24.054503.27801@usl.edu>, team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia
]Pablo) writes:
]
]|>
]|>   Oh, yeah, one more thing.  Those Durandal runway busters y'all were
]|>  dropping off your Tornados are FRENCH.  There, doesn't that make you
]|>  feel all warm inside???
]
]Not unless we get to play with them at a suitable location, eg Charles
]De Gaul Airport.
]

      Okay, you win.  THAT little remark tops any distortion of the facts
    that I could throw out.  Besides, your Tornados didn't use the
    Durandal ( I was trying to get a rise out of you).


]
]
]
]Phill Hallam-Baker


                          Allen (not Pablo)


-- 
First they stole the fourth amendment. I said nothing because I don't deal drugs
Then they took the sixth amendment. I was silent because I know I'm  not guilty.
When they came for the second amendment, I kept quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: braham@physics.ubc.ca (Stephen Braham)
Subject: Re: Wanted sources for MARMITE.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:17:25 GMT

kgonsal@eng.clemson.edu (Kenneth Gonsalves) writes:

>Hi guys (generic term),
>	I am interested in knowing if MARMITE is available in stores in the US.
>Could some one mail me please.

The wonderful substance was available in a little store in State College, PA,
when I was taking my PhD there. Try those speciality food stores- maybe
the food section of a Macy's. Now I'm in Canada, you can get Marmite, and
the Aussie perversion (<grin>), in most grocery stores.

				Steve
--
| Name: Stephen P. Braham | Perversion: Quantum Cosmologist|
| Hangout: UBC physics    | Signature:  Euclidean          |
|          Vancouver, BC  |--------------------------------+
|          Canada         | E-mail: braham@physics.ubc.ca  |
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS: Tue 21-Jul-1992
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:45:26 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul21.093750.17760@rdg.dec.com> evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>
>    The editor of the Sun has said that a leading Cabinet minister phoned his
>    office during the election campaign to offer details of Paddy Ashdown's
>    private life. The paper did not publish the information which was later
>    found out to be false. The controversy over the rights of the  press to
>    delve into the private lives of public figures continues to dominate the
>    national newspapers.
>

Did he say which minister? Pity he didn't discover it was false and tell
us about it earlier!

>+======================================================================+
>| Gwyn Evans  | evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com |  Uxbridge, Middlesex, UK  |
>| DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd |
>|  Views expressed and statements made are mine and not those of DEC   |
>+======================================================================+

Chris Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:25:44 GMT

In article <nkj9lu0@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
->In article <1992Jul22.154144.15565@aus.intel.com>, ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
->|> In article <njdrru8@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
->|> ->In article <1992Jul21.171803.8552@aus.intel.com>, ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
->|> 
->|> ->|> HIS would be grammatically correct; THEIR is merely politically correct,
->|> ->
->|> ->No, "their" has been common usage, in this context, in both the 
->|> ->US and UK for decades.
->|> 
->|> I do not deny that, but see no contradiction.
->
->Then perhaps you ought to explain why you deleted the rest of the
->line.
->
->The full quote reads:
->
->	"No, "their" has been common usage, in this context, 
->	in both the US and UK for decades.  It is also, 
->	but not merely, PC."
->	**************
->
->jon.

Well, jon, I deleted it not to censor or distort your argument, but to
save space, because the second sentence seemed just to explain what I
already took you to mean by "No" in the first - i.e. that THEIR is
grammatically correct _because_ it has been common usage for decades.

That's the point we disagree on. On which we disagree, I mean. But it
probably all boils down to defining what one means by grammar, and may
therefore be a fundamentally futile discussion - rather like debating
whether or not one may start a sentence with a wossname. Conjunction.

In any event, I didn't mean to upset you, and apologise if I did.

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
From: eastwood@inline (David Eastwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: MARMITE
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:09:30 GMT

In article <23866@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)  
writes:
> Bovril is nasty stuff for drinking at football matches. I first  
experienced
> it as a small child when my father leaped into the air when Sheffield
> Wednesday scored a goal. Other Hillsborough tragedies pale into  
insignificance.
> 
> Marmite, on the other hand, should be eaten in cucumber sandwiches,  
where
> its saltiness is deliciously offset by the cool cucumber. A more filling
> snack is made by constructing a toasted sandwich with marmite and  
crushed
> banana.
> 
> Marmite is made, incidentally, by the manufacturers of another source of
> vitamins - Ribena.

Bovril is also an essential ingredient in some of the worst gravy
I've ever eaten. However, Marmite and a nice chunk of Double Gloucester
were made for each other. 

Now, does anyone know where I can buy Taylor's English Mustard over
here?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Eastwood  ...I feel better than James Brown.....  Sybase, Inc.
eastwood@sybase.com                                     Emeryville, CA.
From: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Elgin Avenue and Vauxhall bridge
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:17:07 GMT


i just had occasion to truck on down elgin avenue and flashed back to
late 60s, when i seem to (vaguely) recall some debate about the
inhabitants of said London street...

anyone care to remind me what it might have been?

also, was put in mind of a song by that eminently british sinbger July
Driscoll (of Broan Auger & the Trinity, now Julie Tippets something to
do with Kieth Tippet[t], and possibly ther tippet conductor type
person...

song was abourt Vauxhall bridge (was on a record on Marmalade records
i used to have).

again, anyone care to remind me of this quintessentially english song
in all its "swinging london-ness"

thanks

jon 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:43:47 GMT

team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo) writes:

>   Yup.  And who had the highest rate of lost planes in the allies theatre
>  of operations??  Well, I'll give you a hint.    They build Tornados and
>  Harriers, the most unsurvivable plane designs in use today.

Actually, it was the Italians. (3 of 8 I believe.) But they were flying
Tornados. Tornados, BTW, aren't all that unsurvivable, it's just that they
were used for low level work over the runways.
-- 
ami silberman - janitor of lunacy
	silber@cs.uiuc.edu
From: srvylab1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VAX Account
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:40:26 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul30.185056.19412@dscomsf.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip 
> |>> 
> 
> Oh *SHE*! Well far be it for us Brits to cast a spoke in cupids chariot,
> why didn't you start off by saying that you wanted to carry on an affair
> d' amor by transatlantic telegraph. It lacks of course the charm of the
> traditional carrier pidgeons, however I suppose it's more reliable and
> saves the poor dear's wings.

Actually the thought never occurred to me Mr. Hallam-Baker.  I would have no
reason to form such a relationship.  I was just trying to do a friend a favor
because she is nervous about being over there for so long.  It appears with
good reason.  Transatlantic telegraph is obviously not the only thing without
charm.  If I offended you by pointing out my gender, please excuse me.


 But then again, although an email is fast,
> you can't dunk it in batter, deep fry it and serve it with chips as a
> cheap and nutritious meal. Such considerations are of great importance
> for the poor impverished student of Thatcher Britain.
> 
> Phill Hallam-Baker


You might try dunking a carrier pidgeon in some batter since you seem to be
fond of them.  If that doesn't do the trick then I (as a wealthy spoiled
American) will send you some Spam.

				Mascen


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New banknotes
From: hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 00:52:09 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1459qgINNe6p@agate.berkeley.edu> adr@soda.berkeley.edu (Adriana Nicholson) writes:
>
>Another reason why the dollar coin didn't catch on in the US is that
>standard cash register drawers don't have an extra pocket (or whatever it's
>called) to put the dollar coins in....
>...
>How did this problem get solved by Australia and the UK?

In NZ the 1c and 2c coins were withdrawn at around the same time as 
the $1 and $2 coins were introduced.

-- 
Hugh Grierson             Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Centre
NEW IMPROVED ADDRESS: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz        Speaking for myself, etc
Watch this space.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:39:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: conor@lion.inmos.co.uk's message of 28 Jul 92 17:40:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.174055.15990@inmos.co.uk> conor@lion.inmos.co.uk (Conor O'Neill) writes:

   I _hate_ all those Coke and Pepsi ads which seem to try to out-do each other
   to say how wonderful the Merkin way of life is, so why don't we buy some.

Which is why the Irn Bru advert struck such a chord (the one where they
mercilessly take the piss out of sunlit Coke and Pepsi adverts...)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VAX Account
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:28:41 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <153b6rINNjnq@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:
> In article 19794@dscomsf.desy.de, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul26.212548.41890@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
>>srvylab1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>|>A friend of mine is going to University of East Anglia this fall and is
>>|>wondering if it is possible to get a VAX account or somthing similar.  Any
>>|>information would be great.  Thanks.
>>
>>VAX account in East Anglia? What do you think they are made of money?
>>You should count yourself lucky if you get a rusty abacus. You'd have to
>>be a reader at least before you got to get an account on the campus sun
>>workstation (they may get a second in ten years time). To get a VAX
>>account you'd have to have at least one if not two Nobel prizes.
>>
>>You Americans should remember what a poor country the UK is, we only
>>have six computers and that includes the Babage machine which has yet to
>>be delivered. The rest of us have to get by by hacking into foreign
>>computers and stealing time on them.
> 
> Phill - you got it wrong:
> 
> He actually wanted an account to use a VAX - you know one of
> those vacuum cleaners with water in it.
> 
> Martin
> 
Phill...Martin, you both got it wrong.  SHE actually just wanted some
information.  I think the post office probably has fewer snipers even in the
U.S. so I'll use that instead.

			Mace
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Working while in school, was Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:03:46 GMT
Organization: Imperial Entropy, sole agent for Carnaugh's Reversible Steam Cycle

spk@uk.ac.aber (Stephen Kingston) wrote:
(  In Britain we still have the remnants of the grant system ...
 ) 
(  However, tuition fees always have been and (for the forseeable future)
 ) will be paid for by the government. 

Get your foresight tested.  I'll cheerfully take bets on whether      /
top-up tuition fees become usual in two years' time, or in three.    / g
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:39:47 GMT

In article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>->The King, satisfied, goes back to listening to Zevon sing about the
>->collapse of the British Empire at the hands of supposed savages...
>->"the Mau Mau came in '52 / the sun went down and we drew the drapes /
>->in our old colonial home / we hid behind the Mau Mau gates" 
>
>Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
>kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
>left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
>Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
>after WW2.
>
The British Empire was nothing but a hollow shell after WWI, although
the Brits think they still had an Empire.  After WWII, both Brits and
the French are finished as Empires.  The Brits knew it, but don't want
to say it out loud.  left-wing feminists and assorted communists
are all that's left in the Empire since Rommel and the Japanese
killed most of the Imperialists.  
>I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma? 
>Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
>got stuck in Vietnam.
>
Sure the British commandos can kill guerrillas, but how many commandos
are there?  If they don't let the colonies go how long do you think
places like India start to boil?  --boiling white colonists in hot oil?  
>-- 
>"King Frederick of Prussia became famous for his regiment of giant grenadiers,
>spending vast sums kidnapping recruits in every country. No tall man was safe,
>as far away as Ireland, one even being sand-bagged while celebrating mass in an
>Italian church. Girls matching in inches were seized in order to mate with them"


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jrowney@arco.com
Subject: Re: Ethical Question
Organization: ARCO E & P T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:06:17 GMT

In article <2032@tfd.tfd.com> root@tfd.COM (Operator) writes:
>In article <OSA.92Jul18174313@kepler.unh.edu>, osa@kepler.unh.edu (Bart
Simps.. er.. Oktay Ahiska) writes:
>>
>> and while on the subject, don't you ever wonder why all the good rock
>> bands are from the uk, while us bands usually suck?  i mean, look at
>> the beatles, the clash, the rolling stones, and what does the states
>> have to offer?  michael jackson? barry manilow? vanilla ice????
>> 
>
[stuff deleted]

The last thing I'd like
>to do is just list a few quality American bands that you should
>check out, if you already haven't: (my apologies if any of these bands aren't
>actually American)

OK, but getting back to GREAT British bands/individuals, what about

Led Zeppelin, The Who, Deep Purple, Yes, Clapton (Cream, Blind Faith, D. and
the D.'s), Pink Floyd, Elton John, Winwood (Traffic, Blind Faith etc.), The
Jimi Hendrix Experience (2 Brits !!!!!), etc., etc.

John
From: rw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: UK job placement
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:46:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul30.203619.15052@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> hobbit@aplcen (Ed Medvid) writes:
>Hi,
>    I'm hoping someone can help me.  I am an American
>citzen attempting to find a job in Europe, first
>choice is England/Scotland/Ireland.  I am open to
>positions in either the computer science or education
>fields.  Does anyone know of any placement agencies
>or general info that might help?

HaH!!!

Join the queue sonny...





>                                    - ed

Richard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british