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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:39:40
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In-reply-to: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu's message of 10 Jan 1993 15:21:34 -0500

In article <1iq0geINN90o@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:


   IMHO, there is far too little discussion of figure skating in
   this newsgroup. Let's start some.

I agree whole heartedly and was excited when I started to read your
post but then:

   Who is your favorite figure skater and why?


BLECH. Let us have some *technical* discussion of figure skating. To
wit: Every skater has their own "trademark" footwork. I am very
interested in hearing about *your* trademarks. (If you really insist
those stars of skating that all figure skating discussion seems to
revolve around.)


I am, therefore I skate -- Now, get out there and SKATE!


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: bdangelo@opal.tufts.edu (Barbara J. D'Angelo)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: RE: Favorite Skater
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:32:00 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
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My favorite skaters are Torvill and Dean.  Their interpretation of Bolero,
Mack and Mable, and Gershwin's Summertime were breathtaking.  You have to
see them live to truly appreciate how great they really are.

Close second is Brian Boitano.  He is the most technically proficient skater
I've ever seen.  And his musical interpretation has become better as he's
gotten older.  He is defintely the best male skater out there today.  I'm
looking forward to seeing him in competition again--hopefully in next 
year's Olympics.  BTW, how do people feel about professionals competing again?
My feeling is that everyone should be allowed to compete and that the same
rules should apply to everyone--that way the best skaters will compete whether 
they are "professional" or "amateur". 

Barbara
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:35:37 GMT
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In-reply-to: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu's message of 6 Jan 93 00:52:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005246.36113@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman) writes:

   A Bipartisan Question -- for Ice AND Roller Skaters...  :-)

   Due to inceased demands of job and school, I find that I no longer
   have time to skate during figure skating sessions during the week, and
   instead skate during public skating sessions on the weekends (which
   aren't so bad).  I notice that my ice rink doesn't play any particular
   music during public sessions -- just whatever is on the average rock
   radio station.  In contrast, the few times I have gone public skating
   at a couple of roller rinks in my area, the roller rinks played dance
   party music, which (if you like to dance -- and I do), seems much more
   conducive to skating.

   I enjoy skating to danceable music much more than skating to any old
   thing.  I am curious to know how other ice and roller rinks around the
   country handle their public skating sessions -- whether they play
   certain kinds of music, etc.  I think that my rink is missing the boat
   by not making a modest effort to choose decent music for public
   skaters (and I will probably make a suggestion to the owner).


Good topic!

There is a big variance to this.

If you are ever in the NYC area, check out the Roxy on Wednesday
nights, form 8PM-2AM. The dance skating there is really amazing. It is
a night club on other nights, so it really has a feel as a roller
skating night club on Wednesday nights. You might want to try out the
Sky *ice* rink in NYC as well.


By favorite roller rink dance experiences were:

  Roxy in NYC
  Spinoff in Boston  -- closed
  Laces in Long Island -- now an ice rink
  The Rink in Bergenfield NJ
  Rainbo in Chicago
  USA rink (I think) in Minneapolis
  Sherman Square Roller Rink in Reseda CA -- now very restricted format
  Hot Wheels, South Miami


Would anybody else like to list theirs?


Roxy
          Event: (212) 627-0404
       Buisness: (212) 645-5156
            NYC: 515 W 18th St (10th Ave)
		 Manhattan, NY  


Shut up and Skate!
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:03:57 GMT
Subject: Wheel Rotation Question
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

I have a wheel rotation question (I think).

I use Aeroblades and have noticed that they are making a noise when I
start my power stroke.  Checking them I find that the front wheel
bearings are loose on each track - they still spin OK, they just wobble
more than the others.

My wheels are worn so I am going to do a rotation as the FAQ suggests.  The
question is should I put the front wheels and bearings on the inside or
should I replace the front bearings first and then still put them on the inside?

        Now             After rotation:
    L1        R1         R2     L2
    L2        R2         R4     L4
    L3        R3         R1     L1
    L4        R4         R3     L3
       Rear                Rear


Thanks
Kirk out
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From: mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina)
Subject: when to have ice skates sharpened
Originator: mmzn@tarka.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:50:17 GMT


How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  I was once told that if the edges will shave a layer off the flat side of your fingernail, then the blades are still sharp; but that may be an old wife's tale [hmmm, I believe it was my ex who told me it, but I digress :-)]

How do people decide?  Number of hours of use?  How the bite feels?  This
latter method doesn't work well for those of us that don't have lots of
experience.  Sometimes I know its just me being sloppy or tired.

Oh, and I skate in hockey skates if it matters, but don't play hockey.

Mark
From: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Bauer XR-10 any good?
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:46:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA

skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman) writes:
>A local store has these discounted to $300. I'm interested in
>upgrading to a 5 wheel racing skate, but this model has beefy
>metal plates and is on the heavy side. How does the XR-10 compare
>to racerblades or other models?

I've seen them as low as $280, but $300 sounds like an OK deal.

I think you will find that most 5 wheel skates will feel a little
heavy.  My Bonts and magnesium frames feel pretty light by themselves,
but bolt on ten 80 mm wheels and 20 bearings and they don't seem
so light.  Holding an XR-10 in one hand and my skate in the other,
they seemed to be pretty close in weight.
-- 
Michael Peters
WIN Management Services
Michael.Peters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:07:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Pregnant roller-blading
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

>Sonny writes:
>I have a friend who is about 7 months pregnant.  She has stopped 
>about.  I guess I just worry about the bigger falls which could cause 
>internal damage.  She is kind of old (30), so I would hate to see her 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I laughed so hard I almost reruptured my double hernia scars!

>have a bad accident and have to start over again.  I know that one of the 
>advantages of rollerblading is the low-impact nature of the exercise, and 
>I understand that it is important for pregnant women to continue to get 
>some kind of exercise up to labour, but when is the best time to hang up 
>the blades and just settle for boring walks down the beach.
>
The beach walks could do more damage - walking in sand isn't that easy.

>Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu) 
>----------

She could also trip on the stairs and land on her belly - maybe she should
refrain from going up stairs since she will eventually have to go down!

Kirk (sort of old at 35 and my 60+ yr old windsurfing friends think
I'm a young wipper spapper!) out

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From: hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Marty Hall)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Organization: AAI Corp AI Lab, JHU P/T CS Faculty
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:38:35 GMT

In article <C05A7p.9Ey@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>One thing that hasn't popped up in this discussion is the non-impact
>nature of in-line skating. Rollerblading creates much less shock for
>the knees and lower body then running. This shock can have an impact
>on your day-to-day recovery cycle.
>
>My first in-line mentor, Mike Farny of the Lincoln Guide Service
>(Massachusetts), is convinced that the current generation of Americans
>who are running will completely wear out their running-related
>connective tissue and joints by the time they're 80. He adopted
>in-line skating into his fitness regime as an early preventative
>measure.

Anecdotes don't always prove much, but I have one that backs up Phil.
My father (60 yrs old) has been a runner since college, but is
bothered by heel problems (plantar faceitis (sp?)) from the constant
impact.  I left my Rollerblades with him this summer when I went to
Asia for three weeks, and he got hooked. Now he skates instead of
running and did 28 minutes in a 10K at the Indianapolis 500. He's been
running for 45 years, but 3 weeks of enjoying the non-pounding skates
convinced him to switch.
					- Marty
(proclaim '(inline skates))
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From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite Skater
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:02:15 GMT
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In-reply-to: vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:24:46 GMT

vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn ) writes:

   I don't think Nicole Bobek is only 15. I think she is around 20.  I
   also think that her technical abilities are efficient enough to
   compete with all the top skaters in the US.  Everytime I see her
   skate, she doubles out all of her triplejumps!

Yes, Nicole Bobek really is only 15.  When I saw her competing at 1990
Nationals (she was a big hit in the Junior Ladies' competition), there
was an article in the newspaper that mentioned that she was only 12
years old.  She certainly had a *very* childlike appearance at the time.

I agree that she's been very erratic with her jumps.  On the other
hand, even three years ago she already had a nicely developed sense of
style and ability to present herself to the audience, and she has some
really spectacular moves in her repertoire (like her spiral).

-Sandra
From: el1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erica A. Lipasti)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: European Championships
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:53:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fIQ8ne00iUx82tala
Organization: Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Can anyone tell me if any of the European Figure Skating Championships 
will be televised (or have been in previous years)?  I've never seen any 
of this competition on network television before, so I suspect I won't 
this year.  But perhaps there might be something on cable?  I believe
the competition (which is being held in Helsinki) will conclude this
coming 
weekend.

Thanks in advance!

Erica
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From: iainw@bnr.ca (Iain Woolf)
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:48:36 GMT

In article <thole.726312623@cs.rulimburg.nl> thole@cs.rulimburg.nl (Johan Thole) writes:
>fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman) writes:
>
>>In article <C0E1Bu.10H@rice.edu>, mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:
>
>>>How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  I
>>>was once told that if the edges will shave a layer off the flat side
>>>of your fingernail, then the blades are still sharp; but that may be
>>>an old wife's tale [hmmm, I believe it was my ex who told me it, but I
>>>digress :-)]
>>>
[snip snip]

When skating last night, I found that there wasn't much 'glide', and I
was slowing down a bit too quickly for my liking. Is this because my
blades need sharpening? I was tired? The ice was crap?

Any pointers on where to get (hockey) skates sharpened well in the
Maidenhead/Reading/Slough (UK) much appreciated.

Cheers,

        Iain.

-- 

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From: jeff@maggot.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:30:40 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Our rink plays whatever the person dealing with the
sound system brings in.  These days, that's lots of
rap music, which, best I can tell, appeals to none 
of the skaters, most of whom are not in the typical
rap-music-age-group (or social group.)  Very few 
people complain, though.  I have, and my experiences
have been mostly, "We're sorry; go away."
				--Jeff
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Professional Ice Skating
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:04:07 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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In article <1ijcieINN68a@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>Another thing that pissed me off is than they kept annoucing
>Orser as "two-time silver medalist" instead of a "Three-time
>World Champion".  Oh well.  Petrenko seemed to skate OK as well

Maybe they didn't announce the way you would have liked because
Orser is not a "three-time World Champion".  According to my
record book, he won only one in 1987. Perhaps you're thinking of
Kurt Browning of Canada -- a "three-time World Champion." IMHO,
I think two Olympic silver medals over such a long and distinguished
career sounds a bit better than one world championship over such
a long and distinguished career. I also think he probably has some
say in how the announcer announces him.

Mary



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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Pregnant roller-blading
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 14:24:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


If she is just rolling for pleasure, and is skating over flat, smooth
pavement, the risk of falling is only slightly greater than the risk
of falling while walking. That's my opinion as an experienced skater.

However, if she does fall, the consequences can be fatal to her baby
and disabilitating to herself.

It reminds me of someone I know, a world-class racer, who insisted on
racing on his skates, even while he had a broken arm in a cast.

You can't tell these people anything. Their minds are already made up.


From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:43:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Wheel lore (skating floors)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

>As we have heard from *indoor* quad speed skaters in the past, the preferred
>rating for indoors are in the mid to high 90s. I think the ideal would
>be to find an anisotropic material -- one that resists being made out
>of round, but yet soft enough in the radial direction to do its thing
>for rough skating surfaces. 
>
>Orating from well rounded lips :-o -- not :-0
>Albert Boulanger
>----------
I like that!  Sort of like VR rated 305/50 tires.  Very wide, very short
tires with stiff lightweight alloy wheels and high tire pressure.

You just may have something there.  I think my Aeroblade wheels/tires
are attempting to do this in the first order.

Kirk out

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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Organization: Amherst College
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Albert Boulanger (aboulang@bbn.com) wrote:
: 
: BLECH. Let us have some *technical* discussion of figure skating. To
: wit: Every skater has their own "trademark" footwork. I am very
: interested in hearing about *your* trademarks. (If you really insist
: those stars of skating that all figure skating discussion seems to
: revolve around.)

well, a favorite "trademark" for me has been something that i *think* came
from dorethy hamil, and involves a spread-eagle into a double axel into a 
spread-eagle.  it's fun, and it looks neat too!  (okay, i admit i use a single
axel....)  
is that what you were asking about?

(: karen

: Albert Boulanger
: aboulanger@bbn.com

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From: sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:01:51 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1993Jan12.174556.25785@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

|> Somebody said that Wylie graduated from Harvard.
|> Does anyone know what his major was?

Wylie's major was in government studies.  He intended to go to law
school this fall, but has put that off for 2 years in order to
tour as a professional.

|> The Russian
|> ice dancers that were on "Evening with Champions" on PBS a couple
|> of nights ago are hands down the best ice dancers I've ever 
|> seen. [snip snip]  They previewed
|> a new routine on the PBS show that started out with him hauling 
|> her around the ice with this long black cloth.

They competed with that program on the Durasoft Colors competition
(on TV last weekend) and, like you said, won by a mile.  The music
was written by Tchaikovsky after his wife died.  The black cloth was
meant to represent her death, and he kept chasing her memory, unable
to let go of her.

Another ice dance team I love to watch is Usova/Zhulin.  They did some
beautiful programs during the Skate America exhibitions.

Sol
-------------

My opinions, not Loral's.
From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:41:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Where artistry is concerned, my favorite men's singles skaters would
have to be Robin Cousins and Paul Wylie, both of whom are consummate
performers and superb artists.  Oh yes... I almost forgot Gary Beacom,
who has incredible physical flexibility and uses it in the most
imaginative ways in his exceedingly creative (and entertaining)
routines.

I also enjoy the artistry of Rosalyn Sumners very much; she brings so
much polish to her routines and has a wonderful presence on the ice.
Her routines are creative and varied, and she really "connects" with the
audience.  Did anyone see the routine she skated to the song Black
Velvet?  ;-)  *smoke comes out of VCR*  OOPS, excuse me...  :-)

For incredible, dazzling footwork, the likes of which I have not seen
elsewhere, the award goes to Scott Hamilton, who is certainly a
well-loved skater and a consistent crowd-pleaser!

For unwavering consistency in outstanding technical excellence and
difficulty, and for setting new technical standards for both amateur and
professional skaters, the award goes to Brian Boitano; he seems a bit
more understated and less flamboyant in his artistry, but I find him
effective as an artist as well.  He executes the technical elements of
his routines so well that it is art in and of itself; perfection is its
own aesthetic.  <--- Trying to earn points with Mary.  :-)

How about another category: Most Under-Appreciated Skater.  I would
nominate Brian Orser and Paul Mitchel, both of whom deserve more credit
than they have generally received.

Fred Chapman
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From: rmaratas@novell.com (Robert Maratas)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite Skater
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:01:05 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Nicole is 15....

My $.02 worth....

Bob
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From: ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca (*TsR)
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:58:00 GMT

In article <1iq0geINN90o@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes...
>Who is your favorite figure skater and why? If someone already

I would have to say Rosalynn Sumners. I remember watching her when I was 
younger. I liked her skating then, but I love it now. I honestly dont know of
any other skater that comes close to her style, expression, and skill in
musical interpretation, be it a slow or fast number. She's not as exciting
technically as most other skaters, since she doesnt do triples any more, but
what she *does* do, she usually does very well. It ticks me off sometimes when
she consistently scores low marks in her artistic programs - she might not have
the triples, but she's otherwise consistent, and her programs are always well-
paced, stylish, and they definitely create a mood.

Times like that when you start to wonder what pro skating is supposed to be all
about - technical perfection vs artistry and pleasing the audience?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tanja Rosteck   -   Concordia University, Montreal, K-bec, Canada
E-mail          -   ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca

 "...At the dreamies, where anyone can be an artist, and all that is needed is
  a pill, and a pillow..." - Edward Ka-Spel - "Who is playing sleepy tonight?"
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:19:54 -0500
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In article <1993Jan11.180130.28883@wdl.loral.com> sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel) writes:
>
>My favorite program of his was the "Henry V" program he performed at the
>Olympics.  I still watch that from time to time to see the beauty of his
>skating- his spirals, spread eagles, arm positions, and so on.
>
That's one of my favorites too. I watch it occasionally, but I usually
get disgusted with Scott Hamilton's commentary that really messes up
the music. There is a video of the 92 Winter Olympics that I've
been thinking of buying. Is there anyone out there that has it and
could you tell me if they cut out the insane commentary during the
programs?

Mary