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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

>In article <willimsa.714323348@unix1.tcd.ie>, willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin
>Williams) wrote:
>> I saw a photo of Bush in some martial arts seminar.
>> He was wearing a gi with a black belt.
>> I thought a black belt was something that was EARNED after years of sweat and 
I know nothing about this, and I definitely think Bush is as big a
drug-dealing, election-rigging, influence-peddling (HELLO NSA
Line-eater!) scumbag as the next guy, but...

He *was* head o' the secret police for several years, it just may be
possible that he's had some meaningful empty hand training. Ya just
never know...

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Stretching
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:45:01 +0000



>You need to be careful with dynamic or ballistic stretching, however.
>A lotta folks believe that it's pretty easy to injure yourself with
>this kind of stretching if you do it improperly (e.g., without warming
>up FIRST).  Static stretching has a pretty low risk of injury, but
>it also doesn't seem to do as much for your flexibility.  My personal
>favorite is isometric stretching.


Don't confuse dynamic streching with ballistic stretching they are totally
different. 


Ballistic is where the muscle is held at near full stretch and then bounced
a bit.


Dynamic is where the muscle is moved through it's whole range.


At least that is (roughly) the definition in Kurz' book. (A very good
book by the way).


Bill Burgar
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Boxing and Graeme (was Re: Can boxing skills hand kicking?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:16:35 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

[concerning a detailed explanation of Western boxing]
Excellent article Marty.  Many people do not realize how efficient a
martial art Western boxing is.  I liked your comparing that one person's
ignorance of boxing to the "my style is better than yours" mentality.
That is basically what it amounted to.  He said a lot of outrageous things.

I have always said Western boxers' advantages are their
timing, reaction ability and being able to keep a clear mind while
suffering pain.  I personally think these things are more important
than technique (not that Western boxing lacks it), especially when many
studying at the local ma school do not train with the pain
they would experience in a real fight.

I read a book by Robert W. Smith who said he showed a karateka friend
some films of a full contact tournament in Taiwan (not PKA type
full contact, but full contact).  The karateka said they were very
sloppy and his teacher could clobber any of the fighters in the
tournament easily.  Smith commented that the pain factor (and I am
sure injury factor also) greatly affects performance.  Even if you
practice pain control, the mind often subconsciously protects injured
body parts by changing the way the body moves.  Ask a sports medicine
specialist.  I know this is true by first hand experience.

-- 
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From: schan@atria.srg (Stephen Chan)
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Organization: ARINC Research
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:02:10
	<10420@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>

In article <10420@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:

   He *was* head o' the secret police for several years, it just may be
   possible that he's had some meaningful empty hand training. Ya just
   never know...

	Well, David, you managed to say it before I could figure out this
news reader enough to post it myself.

	After all folks, George "I'm Not A Wimp" Bush just COULD BE a black
belt in something. If that Hunka Hunka Burning Blob, Elvis Presley could earn
a black belt in Kempo, then George could earn a black belt in something too.

	Stephen
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fencing
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:29:47 GMT
Reply-To: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>In article <7852@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
>>I had the opportunity to fence again for the first time in 6-1/2 years, at
>>a Renaissance festival this past weekend.  I chose to fence one of
>>"Her Majesty's Officers" rather than one of my friends (I thought it would
>>be a lot more interesting, given that my friends don't know how to fence).
>>It was an eye-opening experience, as I was fencing in the standard sport style,
>>while the leftenant showed his versatility -- side stepping that wouldn't
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sorry but that is spelt Lieutenant and pronounced leff-tennent!!
   Dave Riches
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From: sbs@fns-nc1.fns.com (Syd B. Seifert)
Subject: Re: conflict avoidance
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:57:30 GMT

>In article <1992Aug20.145321.5619@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
> lauren@bushmill.eecs.umich.edu (Brian T. Murray) writes:
>>[...]                          I have a question.  Are the principles
>>of conflict avoidance/resolution (which is a legitimate field of
>>study) taught (semi-)formally in anyone's doj*?

In my dojo this issue is simply viewed as a verbal form of confrontation
as opposed to a physical form of confrontation (sparring, etc.).  When
I learn new punches, escapes, kicks, techniques, they are typically
explained in the context of philosophies I've already learned.  This
often also includes reinforcement of how the philosophy applies in
other aspects of life/conflict.  

Interestingly, I've found that when I didn't consciously make the link
between what I was learning in the dojo and conflict/other life style
issues, my brain worked overtime to figure this out.  For example, when I began
sparring I also began having very violent (sparring) dreams involving someone
with whom I experienced a lot of conflict (I'm typically an avoider....).
These dreams persisted until I realized that I needed only to apply the
principles I'd learned of sparring to these conflicts.  Now it's my
perception that my success (or lack of) in the dojo reflects my success,etc.
in my personal and professional relationships.  These experiences have
really reinforced my holistic philosophies.

>
>Yes.  As an introduction to this area, we listened to a tape series
>called The Gental Art of Verbal Self Defense.  The author also has
>a series of books out, the first one starting with the same name.

I began reading this book several years ago but at that time I couldn't
see the point of the "defenses" described.  This, of course, being before
I began studying MA.  I'll have to take another look at it given Nate's 
recommendation.

Regards,


-- 
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From: skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (panagiotis skagos (187802923))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kung Fu info wanted ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:02:54 GMT
Reply-To: skagos@hercules.uregina.ca (panagiotis skagos (187802923))
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

Hi,

  I am planning to begin studying Kung Fu.  The reason I chose Kung Fu
is mostly because of location ... Regina is far from being a meca of
martial arts learning ... we have lots of Karate and Tai Kwon Do schools,
some strictly T'ai Chi schools, 1 Hapkido school, and Judo.  We have
a guy who instructs Kendo at the local Y, but there's only 3 of us in
total ... I also studied Kendo in Ottawa for a couple of months with some
really great people.
  Anyway, I was wondering what sort of stuff I can expect from studying
Kung Fu ... I mean, what should I expect from the instructors and stuff
like that.  Any info on Kung Fu would be greatly appreciated.  Any
info on books and stuff would also be nice.  Thanks in advance!

  P. Takis Skagos
  (skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca)
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Western Boxing, how 'imprecise' is it ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:35:59 GMT
Organization: RAND
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      Todd; I agree with you 100%. I train at the Jet Center and have the
opportunity
to train with THE BEST in all styles of self defense. Everyone from Benny
the Jet
Urquidez,to Bill 'Super Foot" Wallace have told me that my prior
traditional
Karate training is very ineffective as far as modern day self defense is
concerned.


  My first day of training found me standing in a traditional front
stance. Benny asked
me if  I was ready. I said yes, and ended up on my padded side. He then
told me that my traditional Karate blocks and stances were leaving me
wide open. When I think back on it now I must have looked pretty silly,
standing there with my forward fist out in
front of me and my power fist cocked back on my hip. 


  Don't get me wrong I respect my Karate training and wouldn't trade the
experience
for anything. But after watching the Pros combine traditional Karate with
American 
style boxing,it has certainly opened my mind for further study. You see
all the
instructors at the Jet Center have black belts of various degrees of
their own
and will be the first to tout the advantages of traditional Karate. All
they want to do is
take Karate one step further. I think there was  someone named Bruce
something that
tried the same thing.


    Ken Ferguson 1st. Dan Tang Soo Do
                          1st. Dan Ukidokan
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From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Subject: Re: Styles in Bloodsport?
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:57:51 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.231915.15833@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:

   >    Ok, so I finally rented Bloodsport, VanDamme's movie about
   > Frank Duk and the Kumite.  I have a few qustions about the
   >different styles portrayed in the movie.  In the end the
   >liners state that Duk went on to teach Ninjitsu(sp?),

>   As far as I know it's a myth.  I guess Frank Dux did exist, but I'd
>   be hesitant to say he knew any ninpo.

I have researched Frank Dux and I believe I was able to find him in the 
book Who's Who in Martial Arts or the History of Martial Arts and Its People.
I can't remember off the top of my head what I found out, I was looking for a 
friend who was interested after we saw Bloodsport when it first came out 4
or 5 years ago.  I will look and post after the weekend.

stan


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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: did someone say invertebrate?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:36:11 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <memo.594180@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>That's all very well for worms but slugs don't have a sense of humour,
>particularly when the are trying to break into my milk first thing in
>the morning. What technique do you use against a very large slug on
>top of your early morning pint.

Well, in keeping with the martial arts principle that the best way to 
deal with a conflict situation is to avoid it in the first place, we 
Americans have long since done away with doorstep milk delivery.

(And it's a good thing too.  The infamous banana slug of California coastal
 regions regularly grows to lengths in excess of 12 inches.)


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From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: JuJitsu and Karate - Is there a link ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:00:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Aug31.152650.8913@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>It's probably more correct to say that there are 'ti' or 'tuite' moves
                                                   ^^      ^^^^^
  
     Please explain the meaning of these two terms.  They are
     new to me.

Thanks.
 
-- 
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Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ? (to anybody)
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.162111.27107@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
>>Were the karate guys allowed to use their feet or were they forced to
>>fight the boxers in their own domain?
>> 
>
>Hi Colin, 
>
>	The answer is that from what I've seen, (most) kicks make almost no 
>	difference at all, given very minimal experience with dealing with 
>	kicks.  I'll grant that the first few kicks a boxer sees may
>	be surprising, but it takes very little time to adapt
>	their skills and get used to the new angles, from what I've seen.

Hmmm.  My experience has been different.  I've spared a couple of 
pretty good boxers and they have found kicks very difficult to
handle.  The main problem for them has been the extra reach.  I agree
that high kicks aren't that useful, but they didn't adjust to the added 
difficultly of them having to watch for kicks as well as punches.  They
were also unfamiliar with the classic technique of dummying with a punch
to the head but delivering a kick to the lower-stomach/groin area and
vice-versa.  Maybe a boxer could adjust after a while, but I feel that 
against a good opponent that could be too late.

>	Lifting up a foot for even a moment and destroying your mobility is 
>	usually suicide against an expert in boxing footwork.  

This may be true for a beginner, but a good martial artist can kick
and return their foot to the ground very fast, especially with years
of speed training in such techniques.  The ability to double-kick (kick
multiple times without putting your foot on the ground) is also very 
useful and difficult for a boxer to predict.

>	The generic weaknesses (IMO) in western boxing as an art are not in 
>	inability to deal with 'techniques,' like ridge hands or backfists 
>	or kicks, but with low level attacks, and potentially 
>	with control tactics at close range (trapping to some extent, and 
>	particularly grappling).   

I think it comes down to the skill/speed of the people involved.
It is difficult to generalise in cases like this.

>						thanks,
>						todd

p.s. I hope I'm not coming across as too egotistical when I personally dislike
the amount of chest-beating that goes on in this group.

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jeet Kune Do
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:25:09 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu's message of 30 Aug 92 05:56:52 GMT


In article <1992Aug30.055652.313@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:

[criticism of Alejandro deleted]

   The second paragraph that was melded together in the original post
   is the following:

   "The art of Jeet Kune Do is simply to simplify.  It is being oneself;
   it is reality in it's "isness."  Thus, isness is the meaning -- having
   freedom in it's primary sense, not limited by attachments, confinements,
   partialization, complexities."

[snip]

   While I and many of the other people on here appreciate you taking
   the time to answer the question asked on here, please do not 
   alter information from a source to fit your needs.  Many times
   it will not preserve the meaning of the original source and
   many other times misslead other people as can be seen above.

Well, perhaps this is just a quibble, Marty...but were the two spelling
errors in the above paragraph, faithfully reproduced from the original
work?  ;-)
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: NEW MARTIAL ART FOR STREET NOT THE DOJO
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:16:54 GMT

In article <3SEP92.17561777@skyfox.usask.ca> hayesj@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>This new Martail Art deals with the reality and finality of street confontations

If you think martial arts of this sort are at all new, you really have
been studying with the wrong people...

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
From: audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David.L.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: AiKiDo schools in the PA/NY area
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:28:34 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

Are there (hopefully good) AiKiDo schools in the PA/NY area near Bradford PA. ?

The instruction will be for a young (about 9 year old) person.

About an hour drive max. Help ?
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: getting involved
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:05:01 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug29.070125.18115@access.digex.com> cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart) writes:
>>As you say, you can always let someone out of an armbar.  But
>Disengagement is often the point of greatest danger in lots of combat 
>situations.  You can let him out of an armbar, but surely many on this
>list know how to turn that (being let out of this position) around on 
>the person letting you out...

	The strategy is to either hold him until help arrives in the form
of your friends or the police, or to disengage without putting yourself
at a disadvantage; for instance, by maintaining control of the wrist and
elbow while you stand up.  

	If someone continues to be beligerent to the degree that you're sure
they will continue the attack, you could maintain the (or _a_ ) lock while
you both stand up, damage the limb so that he is unable/unwilling to 
continue the attack, or do something like choke him out or kick him in the
face before you stand up.

	The point is that you have some other choice besides the binary
"firearms mode", something besides surrender or kill/maim.  If I dislocate
his elbow and run away he will not only survive but be not much worse for the
wear.  If I shatter his arm with a slug he may easily die.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Boxing and Karate
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3584
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


	The boxing vs. karate debate exactly reminds me of the way
some judoka feel about wrestlers.  "Wrestling is all strength and too
limited to be of any real use.  A lot of grunting and sweating.  Not
precise at all".

	Then they get on the mat with some white belt who happens to be
a champion wrestler. "Wow!  What technique was that?  How'd you do that?
Hey, this guy's tough!  C'mere!  Try this guy!"

									wr
From: flash@admiral.uucp (Gordon Wormser)
Subject: Jiu-Jitsu in Greenwich, CT.
Reply-To: flash@admiral.uucp (Gordon Wormser)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:35:29 GMT

Does anyone know of any Jiu-Jitsu dojos in the Greenwich, CT. area?

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From: natalies@hplsla.hp.com (Natalie Schuchard)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:27:15 GMT
Subject: Styles in Bloodsport?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts



Hi All,
    Ok, so I finally rented Bloodsport, VanDamme's movie about
 Frank Duk and the Kumite.  I have a few qustions about the
different styles portrayed in the movie.  In the end the
liners state that Duk went on to teach Ninjitsu(sp?), What 
style does Bolo Yeung practice,  and what style imitates
a monkey fliping around the ring?   I could identify the
two Fung fu stylists,  but was there actually an Akidoka
wearing hakima fighting in the quick fight sceans?  Was
the big guy wearing a loin cloth supposed to be a sumo
wrestler or is this a Somaian art?
    I realise this is a bunch of questions, and I hope
I have not offended anybody with my ignorance. 
     Thankx in advance for any answers
                  Natalie
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ? 
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:29:50 GMT


Take it as you wish, but I managed to do fairly well against someone on a
military base boxing team with kicks.  I could score on him before he
could close within arm reach.  If he got close I knew I was dead meat, but
there was something about a foot zipping at his face that seemed to keep
him back.