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From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African farmers
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:23:15 GMT
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varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes:
>How can African farmers be subsidized (to insure high food production,
>insure a high standard of living to farmers, lessen pressure on 
>already-crowded slums, withstand domination of the foodstuffs trade by
>industrially subsidized wheat, etc.) without (1) making Africa yet more
>dependent on outside aid, (2) encouraging corruption and abuse of the
>system, and (3) making it impractical for farmers at the local level?

The Economist had an interesting article in the issue a year or so
back. Their suggestion was that the problem was the distortion
in the market caused by massive state subsidisation in the North.
This artificially reduces food prices in the rest of the world
which means that third world farmers can't get a realistic
price for their goods. So I don't think that subsidisation of
farmers in necessarily the solution. Perhaps what is needed
is end of subsidisation in the North, and a way of subsidising
African consumers so that they can pay realistic prices for their
food. Of course this opens the problems that you raised. Another
problem that African farmers face is that they can't compete
internationally often due to subsidies countries in the North
get. The Economist had a whole lot of suggestions. Unfortunately
I can't remember any of them.....

Scott
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS: MALAWI: BANDA RULES OUT MULTI-PARTYISM
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:54:23 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.
Originator: barnhart@gagme

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: MALAWI: BANDA RULES OUT MULTI-PARTYISM


lusaka, oct 5 (ips) -- malawian president hastings kamazu banda
has ruled out multi-party politics in his southern african
country.

in a communique monitored here monday, banda who has ruled
with a heavy hand since independence in 1964 declared, ''my
people want the one party system of governance to prevail.

''malawians do not want the so-called multi-party politics.
the are happy with the present system of governance'', said the
self-declared life president in a statement in the capital
lilongwe.

banda, whose appalling human rights record and opposition to
plural politics has resulted in western donor pressure for
reform added: ''i have fulfilled all the human rights demands.
what else do they (the donors) want from me?''

but in reaction, zambian-based general secretary of the
opposition malawi democratic union, marks ndau noted, ''he
(banda) should call for nationwide polls just like angola. he
should consult us all''.

another exile group here, the united front for multi-party
democracy, led by george kanyanya said banda's ruling malawi
congress party was split and lacked consensus.

''but dr banda's dictatorial arm twisting tactics have
prevailed and cowed everyone into submission'', he said.

according to opposition groups there are more than 2,000
political detainees being held in malawian jails.

malawi became independent from britain in 1964. banda, widely
believed to be over 90-years-old, was previously backed by the
west and south africa as the epitomy of stability in africa.

however, his highly represive regime this year was rocked by
the countries first ever public demonstrations of protest,
brutally put down by the police. (end/ips/fc/oa/92)
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: White Deer Speaks on Somalia
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700178:cdp:1471700179:000:2515
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct  7 18:12:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: White Deer Speaks on Somalia

/* Written  6:10 pm  Oct  7, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "White Deer Speaks on Somalia" ---------- */
Gary White Deer is a Choctaw artist whose design appears on a t-shirt
commemorating the Choctaw Trail of Tears.  The Irish group AFRI (Action
from Ireland) who recently walked the Trail of Tears with a group of
Choctaws, asked to use the t-shirt to commemorate their walk also.

This walk, as noted in previous posts, took place because the Choctaw
Nation, in 1847, hearing of the Irish potato famine, took up a collection,
and although the Choctaws were in great need at the time (they had
walked the Trail of Tears only 16 years before), the Choctaws collected
$710 for the Irish.

The walk together took place from mid-September to October 3, 1992.  Here is
a letter written by Gary White Deer about his design, and the walk, which
was used to collect funds for the relief of the Somalian famine.


     LETTER FROM GARY WHITE DEER TO DON MULLAN OF AFRI


Don:

     I am honored that your oranization will use my little Choctaw painting
as a t-shirt design to help relieve the Somalian famine...

     Hunger is no respecter of nations.  When my people were forced from 
their homelands by the American government, much of the massive loss of
Choctaw life was due to hunger... A few years afterward we took notice when
the Irish People were suffering from terrible famine, and although we had not 
yet recovered from our Trail of Tears, we sent your people sustenance.  Thus
a bond was made between the Irish and Choctaw Nations, woven of a measure
of human history and of human spirit.  We must again invoke a measure
of that spirit.

     Among the Choctaw it is important that our guests are asked,
"Impa chi bana?" or "Do you want to eat?"  We are taught that to feed others
is to help sustain human life....We further believe that our human spirits
also need to be fed, and that this may be done through sharing.  In the
sharing of food, therefore, sharer and receiver obtain both these kinds
of nourishment.  This is an old and simple teaching.

     As I mentioned, my mother is part Irish.  It will be a great and
wonderful thing if we reaffirm the bond between our two peoples by
feeding the People of Somalia.  We will be feeding our own spirits as
well....Our shared histories keep telling us this.

                             A friend,
                     
                           Gary White Deer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: internet to worknet
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:55:31 GMT

In <1992Oct8.133910.10403@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za> writes:

>A week or so ago I posted a question: does anyone know how to send mail
>to a workent address from the internet? If there was a reply, I may have
>missed it so here goes again...

This isn't a direct answer, but use anonymous FTP to get hold of the
file:

ftp.ru.ac.za:/pub/doc/networks

It contains information that will put you on the right track.
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From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Shaka Zulu?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:17:57 GMT

Has anyone seen the TV miniseries being repeated now called Shaka Zulu?  
Hope this isn't a dumb question, but is this culturally and sociologically  
"accurate"? Feel free to email me.

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Somalia news up date sep30 $Oct2
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
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I don't understand your reply to my article "Who is starving in Somalia?".
Do you mean to imply that it is *not* the Rahanweyn, Digil and the riverine
communities who have been victimized by the civil war?

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From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Human Rights Commission 1
Date: 10 Oct 1992 21:08:32 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>He heh, caught in the Davis trap again. you might try reading the originals
>before lapping up Davis' nonsense. How embarrasing.

Yep. And I am suitably embarrassed. I suppose this means that I will
not be one of the elite who do the broking (right word?) of the
constitution.

What I still don't understand is why someone who is so clever and who
has all the primary information originally posted quotes from
Jeffery which gave neither a fair summary of her report or
the HRC. I suppose it was to be scrupulously fair, but I am
afraid I don't get the subtlety of the point.


>: And where does it get us. You posted this in response to my challenge
>: to Hardy who claimed there was a world-wide smear campaign against
>: Inkatha supported by the "liberal" [his quotes not mine] press. 
>
>No I didn't - in fact I mentioned
>it in passing some drivel of yours that I can't even remember. You're
>hardly worth the effort old boy - you're much better suited
>to target practice. 

Not true. If your memory is failing, try looking at the following
articles to refresh it
<1992Sep30.151638.202934@uctvax.uct.ac.za>   -- Hardy's allegation
<1anqgbINN4mi@pacific.cs.ubc.ca>             -- my question
<1992Oct5.131751.23093@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>     -- Gavan's response
                                                (in which he quotes
                                                me quoting Hardy).

So I still haven't had a response to my question. Hardy originally said

>Whilst I am no Inkatha fan, it is quite clear that both the foreign media and
>the local "liberal" press are waging a campaign against this organisation.

Now a camapign has two aspects:
  -- it is organised
  -- it is for a particular purpose

So who is doing the organising? (The communists/ the capitalists/
the communists and capitalists/the freemasons?)
Who is organised? 
And what are the motivations of those who are waging the campaign
both foreign and local.

Evidence would be nice, but let's take it one step at a time.
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Webster Inquest
Date: 14 Oct 1992 11:27:36 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
>Some interesting revelations in the David Webster inquest - the
....

If anyone would post more detailed coverage about the inquest I
would be very grateful.

All along there were concerns about the police investigation,
and what is particularly noteworthy is that this sort of 
investigation and intereference therein occurred in the Webster
case. This was probably the 'third-force' incident for which there
was the most pressure on the government/police to solve. We
were told by everyone from Vlok down about how serious the
police were about solving the case. And if this sort of investigation
happened with the Webster case, what sort of investigations do
the KwaZulu police do. All part of the the successful campaign
the Nats have been running since 1948 to utterly destroy
the system of justice (such that there was).

Scott




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: ANC Leadership Wanes
X-Xxdate: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:24:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:25:58 GMT

In article <1app07INN5dm@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> Scott Hazelhurst,
shaze@cs.ubc.ca writes:

Yet another battle with Gavin.

My question: so the rest of the world is under-reporting evil by
the ANC. Why isn't the IRR reporting all the human rights
violations in kwaZulu? Or are all the reports about coercion
to join Inkatha and general lack of free activity just more ANC
propaganda? Please point me to the SAIRR study on this and I'll
read it with interest.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: 10/07 Wire stories on hunger
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700165:cdp:1471700174:000:2149
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Oct  7 17:22:00 1992


/* Written  5:19 pm  Oct  7, 1992 by jnr in cdp:hunger.general */
APn  10/05 1309  Salvador's Last Victim

Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 


By CHRISTENA COLCLOUGH 

COYOLLAR, El Salvador (AP) -- She's too shy to be seen on her new
crutches, 7-year-old Yanira Dominguez, the last child wounded in
El Salvador's long civil war. 

She hobbles gingerly around the family's one-room shack on her
first day in two months without a cast on a shattered right leg.
Her sisters, Reina, 5, and Cristi, 13 months, trail behind,
dragging a one-armed plastic doll and offering comfort. 

Yanira worries her skinny, newly mended leg will always be black
and blue. She wants to move away. 

Tragedy came to the family last Dec. 21, days before a peace
accord was signed by El Salvador's conservative government and
leftist rebels. 

Yanira and her brother Ricardo, 10, were on their way to buy eggs
when a skirmish broke out between soldiers and guerrillas in this
dusty community a dozen miles south of the capital. 

When the shooting stopped, Ricardo lay dead in a pool of blood
and Yanira screamed in agony, a bullet through her leg. 

Until that day, the 12-year-old war had never reached Coyollar. 

Yanira still cries when she looks at a photograph of her brother.
"Look how handsome he is mom, why did it happen?" she asks her
mother, Graciela. 

Nobody knows how many children died during the war, but the
nongovernmental Human Rights Commission said Ricardo was the last
child to die and Yanira was the last to be injured. 

The war claimed upwards of 75,000 lives, leaving an undetermined
number of orphans among the country's 5.5 million people. More
than 200,000 children were displaced. 

"I don't really know and don't care which side killed my son.
Ricardo is gone, Yanira's leg is broken and I am still paying the
funeral bill and hospital costs," said Yanira's father, Ricardo,
a night watchman who can barely support his family on $100 a
month. 

Hanging out the girls' wash to dry, Mrs. Dominguez said softly:
"We are going to move to near my father's place and try to start
over. Here memories are too painful." 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: internet to worknet
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:32:00 GMT

Thus spake Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>:

> A week or so ago I posted a question: does anyone know how to send mail
> to a workent address from the internet? If there was a reply, I may have
> missed it so here goes again...

I never saw the original, but here goes:

If you want to send mail to a user of worknet (say Simone Shall, the
system operator), try:

	"user@worknet.alt.za" from inside South Africa
or:
	"user@worknet.apc.org" outside SA.

Although you would never guess it from its name, Worknet is a single
machine.  This is in line with many other computer "networks".  Worknet
is the South African end of the Greennet (again, a single machine) Fido
network.  Via Greennet, the have access to Peacenet (a subset of one
machine), Homeopathnet (a different subset of the same machine), WEB, 
and so on.

Worknet currently gets mail via a Fido gateway on FRCS (worknet.alt.za)
or via a Fido gateway in London (worknet.apc.org).  They are in the process
of changing to a more sensible mail transport (UUCP), and should have this
all going RSN.  You could, of course, just get on a bicycle and hand-deliver
the message (they're in Berea, just off Harrow Road).
 
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From: Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Anything but...(was Re: ANC Leadership Wanes)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2556.2AD328C1
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20.0 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria


 LG> I just thought I should change the subject to something else....I got
 LG> tired of seeing that showing up every time I tried to read news on
 LG> s.c.a. 

I *like* !!!!
How sacreligious!!!

Chus, Wally




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From: poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Shaka Zulu?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.poam.34.719067163
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In article <1992Oct12.170637.13925@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
>Subject: Re: Shaka Zulu?
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:06:37 GMT
>poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD) writes:
> 
>: (also, in terms of gavan's comments, the mfecane is only supposed to have 
>: happened in the 1820's to 40's by which time there were many raids on the 
>: interior - the portuguese had also been slaving along the east coast, 
>: possibly as far as durban, for about 3/4 of a century - see similar 
>: disruptive effects on social formations on west coast)
>
>Come come now. We all know Julian Cobbing's nonsense about the Mfecane,
>all the rage in some quarters right now. I'd love to take the chance to
>flay it apart.
>
>Let me quote Jeff Peires on Cobbing, rather my recollection of a quote,
>"at best a fantasy, at worst a fabrication".
>
>The old theory is rather more accurate. Th eslave trading stuff is invariably
>nonsense surmised from inadequate evidence with sleight of hand, nor is there
>any demonstration of connections between white influence (marginal at most)
>and the Mfecane, just improbable surmise. I've read Cobbing's stuff in great
>detail. It's fun stuff.
>
>Read Chris saunder's review of the Mfecane conferenc elast year in Social 
>Dynamics, Dec 1991.
>
>Gavan Tredoux
>UCT

I have read chris saunders' stuff on the Mfecane conference, specially 
called to discuss Cobbing's theory - this is not exactly representative of 
the tone at the conference at all - the consensus was that there were no 
grounds for the mfecane as such (mfecane in this case being a spontaneous 
campaign of conquest of the Zulu in the early part of the 19th century). 
There are other much more balanced reports of the conference that I have 
read, which I will dig out. Cobbing's main points are that there is little 
evidence for the traditional view. There are weaknesses, but on the whole 
his work has revolutionised 19th c. SA history. Peires is on the extremely 
conservative side of the debate, so quoting him in this context is 
practically worthless. Besides, the main points of Cobbing's work (that 
there is more to the mfecane that meets the eye - #not# that blacks never 
fought each other without white intervention) has been corroborated by a 
wide range of people from other disciplines as diverse as archaeology and 
literary studies. I think under these circumstances it is a little trite to 
quote his opponents and just dismiss him out of hand. This is best 
illustrated by an examination of the process by which this history was 
initiallly written. Even if one does write off the work of Cobbing, what 
about the University of Natal Historians such as Wright? as well as all the 
others.

Andrew Marquard, Rhodes University
From: sls2c@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RE:Somalia news up date sep30 $Oct2
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:30:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Oct11.133030.59609
Organization: Utah State University


	Well, good point to bring up. Who is starving in Somalia?
Was the answers in the report all correct? No! if it had the good in
vestigation.
	Not all the people in Somalia are starving, only those who had little
to support themselves and their investment have been looted and corrupted by
those who had much power over them after the civil war, supposedly, i might be
correct.
	A lot of people have reflection on this report.
The idea is " is it appropriate to bring these kind of unreliable information
about who is starving in Somalia, when the whole world starting to respond
those who are starving? Comment...Comment. and should the help be
humanaterian or what.

	If it so I strongly encourage that when this kind of report is going to
be said  in  puplic to be considered the information it self as well as the
backgroud of it. 

	Awareness of unreliable stories or reports! BOM. Peace.
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Shaka Zulu?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:02:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Oct15.130235.10195
Organization: University of Cape Town
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poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD) writes:

[on Cobbing's young turk theory of the Mfecane]

I'm happy to debate Cobbing, but some other time. In that
debate consensus or representativeness is irrelevant, which
is why I quote Peires and Saunders.

However, the original claim, that Shaka mobilised AGAINST
Europeans, is transparently crap, with or without Cobbing.

Gavan Tredoux
(in the trenches at) UCT
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