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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:41:59 GMT
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe

koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
> Here's where it gets interesting.  Suns are ready to inbounds the ball.
> SA has 6 people on the court.  The refs hold up the game to allow SA to
> take people off thecourt.  Remember SA is out of timeouts.  Barkley's
> dieing.  He wants a T.  There no question one should have been called,
> but do you really give the Suns the games that way?

     You're damn right you do.  First of all,
it's not giving the game away: the Suns still
have to make the free throw; but of course,
that's beside the point.  It's not the refs'
decision to make whether or not to "give" the
Suns the game that way -- the rules clearly
state that they must.

     Refs can and do use discretion on judgment
calls, such as fouls.  This was not a judgment
call.  The refs had no choice but to award the
technical free throw once the Suns pointed out
the infraction.  Their failure to do so is
not only protestable, but will likely be upheld
in my opinion.  I believe a similar case was
recently upheld and the game replayed from the
point of protest.

> My opinion - If you can't win when up by 4 with 10 seconds left, you
> don't deserve the game.  SA never gave up and they deserved the win.

     That's neither here nor there.  I agree
that the Suns "deserved" to lose, but again
that's beside the point.  Rules are rules,
regardless of whether or not you or I might
think they are fair.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: campos@sirius.UVic.CA (Marcello  Campos)
Subject: Bill Cartwright
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:02:03 GMT

Hi, could anyone tell me for which team Bill Cartwright played before
he joined Chicago Bulls?
Thanks,
Marcello.
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Too many franchise players? (Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:21:17 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <43094@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
> 
> Seriously, this is not intended as a flame, but it seems to me that
> teams with more than one "franchise player" usually turn out to be
> great teams.
> 
> You might be able to come up with a few counter-examples (Wilt
> Chamberlain, astoundingly, won only two championships during his
> career, in spite of playing with many other great players)...


	Don't forget Moses Malone and those '4 guys from Petersburg'! :-)


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From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:42:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan4.164703.23618@viewlogic.com>,
tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>|> 16 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Yep, and Johnny called every one of them!

This is one for the "Records That Will Never Be Broken" file.

(Network commentators don't count.)

Tony
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From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The batman)
Subject: Alaa is playing in Boston!!!
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date:  4 Jan 93 16:21:38 GMT

Once again, Alaa played well last night.  He scored 21 points against LA
clippers last night.  So this is second time he is in Celtics uniform he
scored 20 something points.  He scored 26 points against Sacramento Kings
during the roadtrip.  The two, three time I saw him on TV, he also played
good defense.  So he might be the nice big man the Celtics look for.  For
one thing, he has abililty to score in the post while JOE KLEINE and ED
PRICKNEY failed to do.  Of course, he still has a lot to learn from Kevin
and Robert.  Hopefully, he can become a good inside player Celtics depressably
need.

So how is Jon Barry doing in Bucks uniform?  Anyway, Celtics has enough small
forward/shooting guard.  (Reggie Lewis, Kevin Gamble, X-man, Dee Brown,
Rick Fox).

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 Email address  : "jxu@black.clarku.edu"  and "jxu1@vax.clarku.edu"
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What statistics are in the BOXSCORES
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:51:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1iauihINN53p@dubhe.anu.edu.au> davidr@cs.anu.edu.au (David RAJARATNAM) writes:
>Sorry to waste space but I'm new to all this  and I was wondering if 
>someone could tell me what the abreviations for the statistics in the 
>BOXSCORES mean.
>		Thanks in advance,
>			-Dave, A long distance NBA fan.

lac ( 5- 4)     min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts

min   minutes played (note: 3 seconds is rounded up to 1 minute)
fgm   sum of all field goals made
fga   all field goals attempted
3m    portion of fgm that were made from 3-point land
3a    portion of fga that were attempted from 3-point land
ftm   free throws made
fta   free throws attempted
or    offensive rebounds
tr    total rebounds, defensive plus offensive
as    assists
pf    total personal fouls
st    steals
to    turnovers
bk    blocked shots
tc    technical fouls (not part of pf)
ej    ejection (either 0 or 1 )
ff    portion of pf that were flagrant fouls
pts   total points scored

- nate
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From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Wolves to announce Rodgers Dismissal
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:01:58 GMT

The Minnesota Timberwolves are holding an 11 AM news conference this morning
(Monday) and our expected to announce that Head Coach Jimmy Rodgers has
been fired.  Assistant Coach Sydney Lowe is expected to be named as the
interim head coach.

The Timberwolves are 6-23 so far this season.  Rodgers has not been able to
get his team to play hard for him at all this season.  It is hoped that 
Lowe will be able to get the team to play for him.

Rodgers will reportedly receive his salary ($400,000) for this year and
next year, the last of his contract.

There has been no word as to if Lowe will become the full time head coach at
the end of the year.

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Kevin Hansen
MN Twin Family Study - U of MN
khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu - (612)626-7224
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From: bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY)
Subject: C. Mullin Question
Originator: bcperry@c00508-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:10:59 GMT


Where did the Warriors' Chris Mullin go to high school?

Thanks in advance,
--Brent

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: re:  86 Celtics v. 92 Bulls
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:04:36 GMT


In article <1992Dec20.134346.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, bcimmet@eagle.wesleyan.edu 
writes:

>In regards to the questions involving the 91-92 Bulls and the 85-86 Celtics, I
>went home and used a statistical program I have for my computer that can
>simulate games between any teams. I had it play 100 games between the 92 Bulls
>and the 86 Celtics. Bulls won the series 54-46. Jordan averaged about 27 ppg.

     Hmmm, as I mentioned about a month ago, the December 1992 issue of
Inside Sports had an article on the all-times best NBA teams.  They 
selected 10 contenders, ranging from the 1992 Bulls to the 1965 
Celtics, and had those teams play each other in a simulated
season, using a computer game called Replay Basketball or something like
that.
     Neither the 1986 Celtics nor 1992 Bulls did well, they were both
36-45, tied for the second worst record.  The best team according 
to the simulation was the 1972 Lakers, who had the best "regular season"
record in the simulation and who beat the 1983 Seventy-sixers in the
simulated finals.
     The article didn't say what the head-to-head records of the teams
were.
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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1st NBA 3pt shot?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:18:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Chris Ford


was it back in 1979 ?


Bryan

blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: how bad is Dallas?
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:00:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.201148.22299@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>
>How bad is Dallas?  It looks like they have their sights set on being the
>worst team (relatively speaking) in NBA history.  I figured they'd compete
>for worst team in the league with Minnesota and Denver, but they're in a
>class by themselves.

No shit.  If they keep up this pace, they end up with fewer wins than
the Cowboys.  Would that be a first - an NBA franchise wins less games
than the NFL franchise of the same city?  Now that's pathetic.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: Schrempf is not all-world! (Was Re: SCHREMPF is getting SCREWED by
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:12:59 GMT

voters)
Keywords: 

Jeff Keller writes:
>If there is ANY justice, Detlef Schempf will make the All-Star team.  The 
>following are the Eastern Conference forwards' stats through January 11.
>The numbers in parentheses are the rankings or each player compared to the other
>players on this list.  Schrempf doesn't even have 17,576 votes.  Looking at
>these statistics, his only competition should come from Larry Johnson and
>Scottie Pippen.  Sorry Dominique fans, but 20 games played aren't enough to
>prove oneself worth of All-Stardom. 

There is one problem, though--like the rest of the Pacers team,
Schrempf is an atrocious defender.  From an objective stand point,
that's probably the main reason he would not be an all-star.
Frankly, though, you must remember that if a player's team is
not doing well, his chances of getting on the All-Star Team
are diminished.  This is the case with a player like Schrempf.
For another example, see Reggie Lewis, who is a good defender
AND shooter, but will probably not get on the all-star team this
year.

Opinions?

From a curious student of basketball,
Genghis
mittman1@athena.mit.edu
From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Too many franchise players? (Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:35:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan4.024909.9017@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
>several franchise players
>sometimes trip over each other when they're on the same team

Like Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
Oscar Robertson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
Bill Russel, John Havlicek, and Bob Cousy?
Moses Malone and Dr. J?
Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen?
Larry Bird and Kevin McHale?  (What the heck, if I can count Pippen,
     count McHale.)

Seriously, this is not intended as a flame, but it seems to me that
teams with more than one "franchise player" usually turn out to be
great teams.

You might be able to come up with a few counter-examples (Wilt
Chamberlain, astoundingly, won only two championships during his
career, in spite of playing with many other great players), but
haven't the overwhelming majority of teams with two or more
"franchise players" won championships?

(I suppose the answer to that question depends on your definition of
"franchise player."  IMO, Tim Hardaway and John Stockton are _not_
franchise players.  Chris Mullin probably isn't either.)

Just something to chew on...

Tony
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From: cokasaki+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris Okasaki)
Subject: Re: Protest system unfair? (Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:04:51 GMT

In article <43332@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
|> 
|> I've got to wonder if the protest system isn't unfair to the team in
|> whose favor the officials erred.
|> 
|> ...
|> 
|> I wonder if the system ought to allow games to be protested even if
|> the officials' error is in favor of the team that ultimately loses
|> the game.
|> 
|> Opinions?

And just who is supposed to file this protest?  Certainly the winning team
isn't going to file a protest and risk losing the game if it's replayed.
And allowing the losing team to protest an error in their favor opens the door
to abuse.  Consider the following scenario: you're playing the second of
back-to-back games, and the first went into triple overtime.  You're 8 pts
down with a few minutes to go and all your best players are dead tired, incapable
of mounting a comeback.  So you deliberately pull some stunt that might be cause
for a protest later.  You go on to lose, and then file a protest.  The next time
the teams meet, you replay the last few minutes of the protested games, but now 
your best players are rested and you actually have a shot at winning.

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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Subject: Re: Derek Harper
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:32:15 GMT

Any word on when (or if) Derek Harper is going to return to the Mavericks lineup?  Hopefully, there are some Mavericks fans out there...

Thanks in advance.
Dick Harkness
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: INSIDE SPORTS poll: best players by position
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:10:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.153221.57724@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Well, looking at the lists, I thought they were pretty accurate...  Though
>I am not a huge Rodman fan, and wouldn't list him that high either, I can
>understand why someone would want him...  After all, look at the last couple
>of years.  He has blown away the competition in the rebounding dept (albeit,
>all the arguments of how he gets them, he still gets them), and is a 2 time
>Defensive Player of the Year winner.

Yea, but he's all Defense and Rebounding - that's it (and I'm not even sure
about the defense any more, I don't think his heart's in it).  The guy plays
40 minutes/game, but only gets 6 points?  That's scary whne you consider he
must be getting 5-6 offensive rebound/game - what the hekll does he do
with them standing 2 feet from the basket?  I'd take Nance, Kemp, Johnson,
Coleman, Willis, and probably even Lattener, Perkins, and Gugs in front of
him.  And there's probably more - these just come to mind.

>And, Lewis...  He is on MANY peoples list at #3.  He is a 20+ppg scorer that
>can rebound, block shots, steal/defend, and take over games.  He isn't the
>worlds best passer, but does everything else.  I can see arguments for others,
>such as Hornacek/Dumars/Richmond, etc...  but I think Reggie gets the nod..  

Well almost everyone on that list is a 20/games scorer, rebounder, defender,
etc.  Taking over games is questionable, I honestly don't see the guy that
often (despite NBC shoving them down my face).  The 2 and 3 spots are tough
to call, different teams use them in such different ways, but...

>Majerle has some real rough competition to beat out, and just doesn't quite
>cut it yet...

How can Dan "the best player in the NBA" Majerle not make the list.  Shit,
he was on the all-star team and isn't in the 10 in his position?  He's
easily taken over Gill, Rice, and for God sakes Marcelonis - however you
spell it.  I'd even take him over Lewis, Richmond, Miller, Horny, and
Dumars.  I hate to say this because I hate stats, but look at the numbers.
Barkley hasn't done it on is own (although he almost has and probably could
if he wanted to).
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:13:11 GMT

Suns win streak was broken by SA Sunday night in an OT game.  Here's
how regulation ended.  Ainge makes 1 of 2  from the line to put the Suns
up by 4 with ~11 seconds left.  After SA uses their last timeout, they
inbound the ball to Robinson.  He drives against Barkley who obviously
doesn't want to foul and does everything to get out of his way.  One is
called anyways and and Robinson makes both free throws with ~4 seconds
left.  After a Suns timeout, Majerle throws the ball away which leads to
an Elliot dunk with .4 second left - SUns timeout.

Here's where it gets interesting.  Suns are ready to inbounds the ball.
SA has 6 people on the court.  The refs hold up the game to allow SA to
take people off thecourt.  Remember SA is out of timeouts.  Barkley's
dieing.  He wants a T.  There no question one should have been called,
but do you really give the Suns the games that way?  SA goes on to win
by 1 in OT (even after Robinson fouled out with ~2 minutes left).  So
the Suns filed a protest about the technical yesterday.

My opinion - If you can't win when up by 4 with 10 seconds left, you
don't deserve the game.  SA never gave up and they deserved the win.
BTW - Ellis was a hell of an aquisition for the Spurs.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: How dumb is Red McCombs?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:04:42 GMT

In article <C0K8zx.1K6@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) wrote:
> Letting Strickland go was probably the dumbest player move this year. 

Maybe he had worn out his welcome, I dunno.  What was dumb was letting him
go and not getting anything for him.  Also, I notice that there haven't
been any complaints about his on-the-court behavior.  But then, there
shouldn't have been any about them in San Antonio.  It's too bad, because
now with all of the outside shooting the Spurs have, they're probably
tailor-made for Rod.

> Firing Tarkanian was handled badly, but there's the sneaking suspicion
> that Tark didn't really mind so much.  

Tark wasn't broken up at all.  I just hope he doesn't think he'll get
another shot at the NBA.

> Could it be
> that eventually the magic will wear off the Spurs, much the same way the 
> coaching change in Milwaukie wore off?  This is still a team without 
> Anderson, Cummings, or a "real" point guard.

The difference is that the Spurs still have a lot of talent with one big
need.  At worst, they're a .500 team.  Right now, Lucas has Avery
Johnson playing as well as he possible can.  In Milwaukee, Dunleavy had a
*everyone* playing over their heads, and that couldn't last.
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From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:59:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1ia165INNfv0@news.aero.org>, robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes...
>A comment on Most from the Left Coast.
> 
>Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye. We never got to hear too much of him out here; 
>Chick Hearn has spoken highly of him, and there was that allstar game a few years ago
>that Hearn and Most did together - one of the most entertaining broadcasts
>I've ever heard. And I've heard other bits; clips of Havlicek making
>a steal to win a big game, or the steal by Bird from Isiah.......
> 
>One thing I must say though is that it seemed - and I've heard - that Most 
>would very often dis the Smelltic's opposition. In '85, the year
>of the Magic Johnson mini-skyhook, NBC (or whichever network was covering)

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.   Magic's baby hook was in the 4th game of the '87
series.  Of course the little hook was sandwiched between two great shots
by Bird; the first of which he made and the second of which he missed, but
he really had balls to always take the big shot.


>contrasted Hearn and Most by showing clips of Hearn's coverage of a brilliant
>play by the Smelltics, and Most's coverage of Magic's miniskyhook with 2 seconds
>left. Hearn went on and on about some great play that Bird made in his (Hearn's)
>inimitable ebullient style, while Most's coverage of Magic's hook sounded like
>Most had just been forced to drink castor oil.
> 
>Notwithstanding this difference in broadcasting style, I definitely feel
>for all you Smelltic fans - I know how I'd be feeling right now if it were 
>Chick who had died.
> 
>				R.S.
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