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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Let the wolfs protect the sheep !!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:08:06 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BtK4FK.G7z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>Greece has built 
>>>extensive military air bases in these islands in an act of open aggression 
>>>towards Turkiye.

>> Once you get close to wolf's mouth, you have to carry some equipment to
>> protect yourself.  Otherwise, the wolf will eat you.

>So you're all wearing cowboy hats and chewing on kitchen matches,
>picking your teeth. And these are hard-core bull-goose 'wolf'
>whippers. Are you half-drunk? History shows that within the last 
>170 years, Greeks played that game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch 
>Grigorios in 1822 to instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in 
>the massacres of the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch 
>Constantine V invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade the 
>Ottoman Empire 'in the name of Jesus,' and save his flock from Ottoman 
>rule. 

 Your logic(?) says that Greeks should just ask the Turks:

 Greeks: Excuse me guys, could you please let me leave free?
 Turks: Sorry guys, but you are free.  Ottomans are protecting you.

 i.e., let the wolfs protect the sheep !!

 Furthermore, how is your answer related to my comment? It seems, that when
 you feel you are loosing the batle, you start diverting the discussion.

 Which is very typical of the Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s).

 So, pathetic liar, inform the group about the Turkish military next
 to the Greek islands.

>Hasan B-) MUTLU (Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s))


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Best Way To Deal With A 'Wieneramus.'
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:13:00 GMT





miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
<1992Aug17.162209.11738@acuson.com>

>	The best way to deal with this idiot is to ignore him.

And nobody ever complains about your picking your unused brain cells. 
During World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and
cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication
in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Turkish Genocide of Armenians - official reference
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:48:37
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In-reply-to: sera@zuma.UUCP's message of 1 Sep 92 03:54:46 GMT


	Another Mutlu (Mother of All Quotations) virus has appeared.
Get yourself immunized!

	[ LOTS OF DRIVEL MANURE by sera@zum.uucp DELETED ]
	[ YAK YAK YAK, PUKE PUKE PUKE ]

This is what Encyclopaedia Britannica has to say about the Turkish
genocide of Armenians.

1990 "The New Encyclopaedia Britannica", Micropaedia, Volume 1, p. 568

======================= BEGIN QUOTE =================================

Armenian massacres, series of brutal campaigns conducted against the Armenian
subjects of the Ottoman Empire by Sultan Abdulhamid in 1894-96 and by the
Young Turk government in 1915.

There were about 2.5 million Christian Armenians within the Ottoman Empire
by the late 1880s.  The Armenians in the eastern provinces, encouraged by
Russia, began promoting Armenian territorial autonomy. As the movement grew,
various political groups were organized, culminating in the formation of
two revolutionary parties called Henchak ("The Bell") and 
Dashnaktzutiun ("Union") in 1887 and 1890, respectively. At the same time,
Abdulhamid, intent on suppressing all separatist sentiments in the empire,
aroused nationalist feelings and resentment against the Armenians among the
neighbouring Kurdish tribesmen.  The resulting persecution by Kurds, coupled
with a drastic increase in taxes, gave the Armenian radicals two pretexts to
rise and revolt.  When the Armenians in Sasun refused to pay the oppresive
taxes, Turkish troops and Kurdish tribesmen kill thousands of them and
burned their villages (1894).

In the hope of calling the attention of the European powers to their cause,
the Armenian revolutionaries staged another demonstration two years later:
they seized the Ottoman Bank in Istanbul.  The repression of this action
was again sanguinary; more than 50,000 Armenians were killed by mobs of Muslim
Turks apparently coordinated by government troops.

The last and worst of the massacres occurred during World War I (1914-18).
Armenians from the Caucasus region formed volunteer battalions to help the
Russian army against the Turks. Early in 1915 these battalions organized the
recruting of Turkish Armenians from behind the Turkish lines. In response,
the Turkish government ordered the deportation of about 1,750,000 Armenians to
Syria and Mesopotamia. In the course of this forced exodus, about 600,000
Armenians died of starvation or were killed by Turkish soldiers and police 
while en route in the desert. Hundreds of thousands more were forced into
exile.

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Evidence Suggests That...
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:29:17 GMT





<1992Aug18.001549.15570@noao.edu>
muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)

>I tried that but the mail bounces!

The evidence suggests that 'anadolu.michigan.com' cannot receive 'junk.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: 'Multu' And International Brotherhood against thought
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:59:45 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <BtpEqz.3Mu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

+>han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

+>>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
+>><BtMHuI.6Mw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

+>>> It is very interesting to see how the Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s)
+>>> is(are) changing subject. When he(they) sees(see) that he(they) does (do) not 
+>>'Tamtam' machine always stops. Troglodytism does not necessarily imply 
+>>a low cultural level, 'tamtam.' Well, anyway...

+> Your answer supports my previous comment.  Do you think stupidity is a virtue?

	Stupidity managed to run the Ottoman empire for several centuries.  
Stupidity was a prized trait amoung the later sultans in picking officals 
to run the empire.  In the early 1900's, military rulers of turkey made 
stupidity tests manditory for officers in the army and government officals.

	The great 19th-century Ottoman phosopher put it like this:

	"After ignorance and Brutality, stupidity is the most honored of
virtues for a good turk.  A smart man is able to be convinced of things
too easily based on decidant western ideas like logic or self-interest, 
The stupid man keeps hammering away with the same arguement.  His head
is like a hollow drum which he pounds and pounds and pounds making lots
of noise.  The stupid man has unity of purpose and focus."




	How can anyone possibly be critical of a phosophy which allowed
the turks to lose a huge empire spanning three continents and to be 
reduced to the status of German Mercenaries at the point of the first 
world war.  


				"How can the loss of the empire 
				 possibly be blamed on the turkish
				 people?  Turks are too smart to allow
				 an empire controlling the balkans,
				 arabia and north africa decay and then
				 split up.  The answer must be that the
				 cursed Armenians used their magic to
				 wreck the empire."

					- Mustafa Pasha, 1919



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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Rebetica music (was: Common words in Greek and Turkish)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:42:50 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) wrote:
> I even think -- dare I say it? -- that the various Turkish elements
> still to be found in everyday Greek life (coffee, certain types of food
> and traditional dress, musical influences) are among the things that
> make Greek popular culture as fascinating and rich as it is.  There's
> no reason why Greeks should feel embarrassed about this aspect of their
> culture -- especially since Greeks have a way of transforming Turkish
> influences into something uniquely their own.  Music provides a good
> example.  Rebetica music, especially the earlier, Anatolian-flavored
> style, is very clearly Turkish influenced, and yet no one could mistake
> it for anything other than Greek music. 

Can you (or anybody else) recommend some performers to look out for in this
genre?  This is what Yiorgos Mangas plays, right?  (furiously energetic and
raunchy dance music).

I'm curious to know what I can do with the Turkish G clarinet I got in
Istanbul recently; are those things used in Greek music as well?  If so,
by who?  Mangas seems to play an ordinary B-flat instrument.

Sorry for any naivety: I don't know beans about modern Greek folk music
beyond the few superstars who get marketed in northern Europe (Farantouri,
Theodorakis etc.)

(Surely the influences on food have been as much the other way? - the
Greeks were in the area first and had longer to figure out what to do with
local products.  For one thing, a lot of fish names in Turkish are of Greek
origin).

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
Subject: Re: Steve Simmons (Hela.Iti)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:55:09 GMT





<scs.715025782@wotan.iti.org>
scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)

>>'Simmons.' This is one theory that you 'wieneramus' keep throwing out 
>>of your hat without having ever presented a shred of evidence to back 
>>it up. By whom and when was this forgery (anadolu.michigan.com) made? 
>>To whom specifically? When and by whom was it rejected? How about also 
>>typing in a few lines of the relevant passages. Until further notice, 
>>the 'forgery' you are refering to is a blatant lie. It has never existed 
>>in the real world and never will. Typical 'hela iti.' 

>Best laugh I've had all day.

What you are doing does not constitute an acceptable reply. It constitutes
dodging the issue, and trying to bully people with insults and whatnot.
Now when you have finished laughing I'd suggest you answer the points 
I've raised above. What an 'hela.iti.'

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Steve Simmons (Hela.Iti)
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:59:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <9208281527.A0424YG@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

>What you are doing does not constitute an acceptable reply. It constitutes
>dodging the issue, and trying to bully people with insults and whatnot.
>Now when you have finished laughing I'd suggest you answer the points 
>I've raised above. What an 'hela.iti.'

Rather like the pot calling the kettle black, old son. Your typical post
contains more obnoxious personal attacks than anything seen on the net in a
decade. One cannot help but wonder, when a message from you dribbles through
my KILL file and sends me once again to the drawing boards to learn how to
plug the gap, if your demented ravings can sustain their current level of
noxious waste, or whether they will simply burn out under an assault of
thorazine.

Once the "insults and whatnot" are removed from your cesspool-spawned
ranting, little if anything remains for anyone interested in history, and
you do enormous disservice to Turkish people by continuing your abusive
onslaught.

news.admin has been removed as clearly inappropriate to anything you write,
and replies redirected to alt.flame, which I haven't subscribed to in years.
Off to the dustbin with you, and a pox on your house.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: So we should blame the government of x-Soviet Armenia.
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:59:21 GMT





<703404688@locust.cs.duke.edu>
wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

>   This is 'Gav*' speaking... 

Source: Neside Kerem Demir, "Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi," Hulbe Basim 
        ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. 

pp. 171-172.

"Mugullu yoluyla dahile cekilen musluman ahaliye Ermeni komitecileri
 hucum ederek acize, cocuk ve kadinlarin ihtiyarlarini Seyhulkarib
 denilen Tekkeye doldurup yakmislar ve genc kadinlarin memelerini
 keserek asmislar, annesi yarali bir cocugun sokakta annesinin
 kesilmis memesini agzina vererek emzirmislerdir. Ulemadan Seyh
 Abdulgaffar Efendi'nin kafasinin derisi soyularak sehid edilmistir.
 Sertabib Mustafa Bey, onbes yirmi Ermeni komitecisinin binden fazla
 coluk cocugu sarkilarla ve onde kadinlar raks etmekte olduklari halde
 goturduklerini ve Garp koprusunden Dikili Tas'a kadar binlerce
 cenaze gordugunu ve bunlarin buyuk bir kisminin pek feci bir tarzda
 bogazlandigini yeminle ifade eylemistir."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit talks about mud !!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:38:36 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BtIptt.Euv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>Dr. Sadik Ahmet, Turkish Ethnic Member of Greek Parliament, Visits US

>> Who has paid for educating Mr. Sadik?  The Master Untrue Totally Lying
>> Unit seems to have forgotten some facts ...

>This is the sort of racist argument that would justify Greeks' hostility
>to Turkish people in Western Thrace, or, for that matter, hostility
>to minorities trying to live in peace.

 How is your answer related to what I have asked? If you want to discuss about
 it, you should first answer my question.

 So, Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit, do you know who has paid for several
 years to educate Mr. Sadik?  Can't answer it, eh?

>Talk about 17.5-year-old democracy. 

 You have problems with mathematics, eh? 

>In addition, nobody has the right to ask the people of Turkiye to go through
>another decade of nightmare just so that the Greek governments could give 
>another chance to the Greek Army to slaughter more innocent Turks.

 You mean innocent wolfs ...

 We've seen how the innocent wolfs (oops, Turks that is) have eradicated
 the Greeks of Constantinopolis.  

>There is a Turkish saying that one cannot cover up the sun with mud, 'tamtam.'

 Is this a joke? Mutlu is talking about mud !!! 

>Hasan B-) Mutlu


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: qasama@lektroid.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
Subject: Re: "Mid-morning the crook" legacy in "porno.dcs.glasgow.ac.uk."
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:54:04 GMT

In article <9209022123.A3851Nq@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Where Does 'Ibaa*'s Ignorance Stem From? Greek Anti-Semitism.
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:58:38 GMT





<38577@imag.imag.fr>
oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)

>  I think ALL readers of  TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST agree also. We'll start a
>  collect to hire an "Armenian terrorist" to go and hunt this Mutlu. But he

So you'd like to be able to see the world through a criminal's mind and
eyes for just one day. 

Source: Kazim Karabekir, "Istiklal Harbimiz," Istanbul, 1969.

p. 71.

"1. Those individuals who have escaped in order to save their lives, have
 reported that the Armenians have begun to destroy by massacres the
 Muslim inhabitants of Kagizman and its vicinity.

 2. The Armenians have attacked Kurudere, have killed 5 men and 3 women,
 and taken along 33 men, 1 bride, 1 girl, and 440 head of cattle.

 3. It is known that on July 4th, they attacked four villages under the
 jurisdiction of Akcakale between Kars and Oltu, and have killed all the
 inhabitants of one, and have taken 60 men from each other village, and
 butchered them. The Armenians who attacked these villages made use of
 five cannons, and seven machine guns. The Commander of this force was
 someone named Arshak.

 4. In the village of Yuzkus, the Armenians abducted the sister, wife,
 and daughter of a Muslim.

 5. The Armenians are continuing to massacre Muslims in the vicinity of
 Karakut." 

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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