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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:38:53 UTC+1000
From:         Peter Clark <Clark@RMIT.EDU.AU>
Subject:      another cent's worth on the student acad version

>From:          Danilo Silva <dan@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU>
>Subject:       AutoCad Student Version - Be careful

>Here is my two cents about AutoCad's Student Version:
>Please take your time and read carefully the contract you'll
>have to sign. I believe the contract prohibits the use of
>AutoCad in any business activity (you can't make money out
>of it), and, if I'm not mistaken, one of fine print lines
>says that YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR UPGRADES !!
>Again, it's been one year since I read it, so I'm not sure
>if those items are in the current contract.

...another cent's worth...all above is also true in the land of
Oz...our students stayed away in droves from this "offer" from
AutoDesk Australia despite a lot of publicity by us on their
behalf (provided free as usual)...Adesk could not even guarantee that
students who purchased under the scheme would receive a cost rebate
if they decided at a later date to purchase a "full" license...!

...it seems that bloody-minded cynicism is unfortunately still
alive and well in some recesses of AutoDesk Marketing policy, which
is not news to us grumpy old users...because we use the product
doesn't mean we like them, does it...does AutoDesk really want to
became another telephone company...?..seems like it, sometimes...

Cheers,
Peter

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:41:05 -0400
Reply-To:     Robert Stalder <rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu>
From:         Robert Stalder <rxs14@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How can I print or plot from ACAD 11.0 in a NOVELL Network ?
X-To:         AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>
>   Hey,
>
>   How can I print or plot from AUTOCAD 11.0 to a printer in a NOVELL
>   network (for example NETWARE V2.2 and NETWARE LITE) ?
>   Are there special configurations setting necessary ? What is commonly
>   important to work with AUTOCAD in NOVELL ? Please mail me your
>   informations !
>
>
>   Thanks for your efforts
>
>       Oliver

I guess one would need more info on what type of network you have.  Is this
output device exclusively used for outputting CAD work or is it shared?  Is
it a plotter or are you using a laser printer?  I definitely wouldn't
recommend putting a CAD output through Novell to a laser printer that someone
else is outputting WordPerfect output to.  It can cause a real backup, in
terms of logistics, especially if all those WP users are having to wait for
CAD to output before them.

If you have an open connection, you can use a program by the name of Printer
Assist, or something similar, to spool stuff to a plotter, such as an HP
plotter.  So, like I said, one would need more info about your setup to give
you good advice.

--
Rob Stalder                           "To know me ... is to beer me"
rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu
stalder@SCL.CWRU.Edu
From: dan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Danilo Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: AutoCad Student Version - Be careful
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:19:47 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

He there,

Here is my two cents about AutoCad's Student Version:

Please take your time and read carefully the contract you'll
have to sign. I believe the contract prohibits the use of 
AutoCad in any business activity (you can't make money out
of it), and, if I'm not mistaken, one of fine print lines
says that YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR UPGRADES !!

Again, it's been one year since I read it, so I'm not sure
if those items are in the current contract.

Dan Silva
dan@lamar.colostate.edu

Disclaimer: same old s...
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: Kent Halland <halland@convex.com>
Subject: HPGL-to-Postscript conversion?
Originator: halland@eugene.convex.com
Reply-To: halland@convex.com (Kent Halland)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 13:34:26 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm looking for an HPGL-to-Postscript conversion program.
Is there one available via anonymous ftp?

Thanks,

Kent
From: pustule@cats.ucsc.edu (Thaddeus H. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: 3D-Studio -- HELP
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:40:42 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Hi there.  I'm posting this on behalf of a friend of
mine, and replys are fine to my address.

----------------------------------------------------
I am using 3d studio, release 2, and cannot 
import ATM fonts, like how I thought I was supposed
to be able to.  Can someone please give me a detailed
description of how to go about doing this, assuming
that it is possible?  I direly need to be able to
have 3d writing in my animations.  Thanks!
----------------------------------------------------

So, there you go.  Please respond to me.  Thank you.

--
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pustule@cats.ucsc.edu
+1 408.423.8733
From: sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de (Stefan Reck)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: HPGL-to-Postscript conversion?
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:11:14 GMT
Organization: REBOX's Host, Berlin, Germany

Kent Halland <halland@convex.com> writes:
>
> I'm looking for an HPGL-to-Postscript conversion program.
> Is there one available via anonymous ftp?

On SIMTEL 20 is HPGL2PS.ARC in the directory MSDOS.POSTSCRIPT or i can send
it to you be e-mail.

  Stefan

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: John Austin <jea1@Cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Plotting in ACAD R12
X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13: 34:23 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jea1@cornell.edu
Organization: BTI
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:27:46 GMT

In article <9209031751.AA21938@slc12.INS.CWRU.Edu> Robert Stalder,
rxs14@PO.CWRU.EDU writes:
>>but the results are the same. Having to get outside of ACAD to plot is
>>unacceptable!!!!

Yes, but shelling out isn't too bad, especially if you set up a batch file
that sends your output file to the port, and include the batch file in your
ACAD.PGP.
By the way, R12 frees up more space when shelling then R11 did.

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Via: uk.ac.southampton-institute; Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:23:13 +0100
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:23:00 GMT
From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Need help with Autocad on a Network Computer
X-To:         AUTOCAD <AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

We have PS 2 model 70/80 with 4Mb running Acad 11 from the hard disk.
but to get that far students have to get past Novell pastword and menu
screens.

These machines run DOS 5

autoexec.bat only contains PROMPT, KEYB & PATH - donot load
memory manager unless really needed.

batch file that runs AutoCAD contains
SET ACADFREERAM=24
SET LISPHEAP=39000
SET LISPSTACK=4000
SET ACADXMEM=,800K

It works for us.
The other reason we didn't use HIMEM is some of the other software on
the student network contains other memory managers which clashed (it
may have been Lotus - can remember exact circumstances)

Reason I am mailing this to the list is the hope that others may have
better settings they could let me know about.

Thanks all

Carol A Long, Applications Programmer, IT Service,
Southampton Institute of Higher Education
Southampton, SO9 4WW      England

Z_STAFF_CL@UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE

Usual discaimer........ I haven't time to type.
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: minier@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Kolar)
Subject: filled fonts for autocad
Summary: Need filled fonts for autocad
Keywords: fonts autocad filled free where
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:15:53 GMT

Hi, does anyone know where I can find some filled fonts for use with autocad?
I have checked wuarchive, as well as a couple other sites to no avail...
Any information is greatly appreciated. Please mail replies to me at this
address: minier@spot.colorado.edu, and I will post a summary to the net.

J Minier
From: aheisey@next.com (Andy Heisey)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: User Interface?, Hardware?
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:08:12 GMT
Reply-To: Andy_Heisey@next.com
Distribution: ca

Having never seen Auto-Cad, what is the UI like? What are the differences  
between it running on a Mac or 386?  
I am trying to decide between upgradeing my mac IIcx(2/40, 14" monitor),or  
would it be cheaper to buy a whole new 386 based system? 

thx, Andy
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: startrek@cs1.bradley.edu (Joseph Schaeffer)
Subject: Need help with Autocad on a Network Computer
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:04:30 GMT

	I have a small problem that I'm hoping someone out in 
netland can help me solve.  I am a system administrator for a 
Novell network.  One of the PCs on the Network has Autocad on a
hard drive for our engineers to work on.  The computer is running
DOS 5.0 and has a total of 4 Megs of memory in it.  The problem is
that when I use HIMEM to load dos high and to control the memory, 
extlisp can't find the 3Megs of free memory.  If I get rid of the
HIMEM from the config.sys for this computer, there is not enough
free base memory due to the Network Drivers that are loaded into
the computer's memory.  Currently, I have the user booting from his
hard drive, and not on the LAN when he wants to use Autocad, but I
believe there must be a way to use HIMEM and have Autocad find
the memory.  Any help you can give would be most appreciative.  Please
mail me at startrek@camelot.bradley.edu with any ideas/suggestions or
solutions.  Thanks in advance for any help.
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He's dead Jim... You get his tricorder and I'll grab his wallet.
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:51:03 -0400
Reply-To:     Robert Stalder <rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu>
From:         Robert Stalder <rxs14@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plotting in ACAD R12

>
>We are currently having problem printing from ACAD R12 on a HP laserjet III on
>a network. ACAD is on each of the clients, while the laserjet is on the
>network. What happens is only about 3/4 of the drawings get printed. According
>to the readme file with R12, ACAD does not support network printing (note we
>never had this problem with earlier versions)  and to get output you shoul
>either (1) redirect your output to a file with the port id as the name or (2)
>redirect your output to a file and then copy the file to the portid using
>"copy plotfile.plt /b lpt1:" for example. Method (2) works while method (1)
>results in incomplete plots. As a note if you configure to plot to the port
>directly you get error messages and no output at all. I have spoken to
>Autodesk about this and they provided me with updated (beta) plotter drivers -
>but the results are the same. Having to get outside of ACAD to plot is
>unacceptable!!!!
>
>Has anyone out there experienced this? Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks in advance for any help
>
>Marc Benowitz
>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>m.s.benowitz@att.com
>201-386-6290
>
>

Well, I have found that doing AutoCAD plotting to a laser printer over a
network is a real pain.  The solution that I've used is to use a simple
printer sharing device directly from each of the workstations to the sharing
device and then to the LaserJet.  Granted, queueing (sp?) becomes impossible,
but if you really don't need it, it's a viable solution.

--
Rob Stalder                           "To know me ... is to beer me"
rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu
stalder@SCL.CWRU.Edu
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: filled fonts for autocad
Keywords: fonts autocad filled free where
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:05:29 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

minier@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Kolar) writes:

> Hi, does anyone know where I can find some filled fonts for use with autocad?
> I have checked wuarchive, as well as a couple other sites to no avail...
> Any information is greatly appreciated. Please mail replies to me at this
> address: minier@spot.colorado.edu, and I will post a summary to the net.
> 
> J Minier


"filled"?  Please describe..

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: John Austin <jea1@Cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Can AutoCad import HPGL files?
X-Xxdate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15: 11:36 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jea1@cornell.edu
Organization: BTI
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.131634.28093@swbatl.sbc.com> Steven D.
Rollins, rollins@oktext.sbc.com writes:
>	I think rev 12 can import hpgl.

As best I can figure, this is one of the few items on the wish list
that
Autodesk didn't address.  The before-mentioned-in-this-thread utility
should do the trick.
The Plot Preview feature is practically worth the upgrade price
alone, 
and handles sure make it easier to edit a polyline.  Many other
niceties,
too.


.sig under construction...

John Austin (jea1@cornell.edu)
Grafix 'R Us
Boyce Thompson Institute for Plant Research
From: ben@auspex.com (Ben PeBenito)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: new user
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:55:33 GMT
Reply-To: ben@auspex.com
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland

Another option that you have and i am not sure how autodesk will deal with this is sometimes
on this news group or ba.market.misc group will sell an older copy of version of autocad for
$500 or so then pay the upgrade for another $500 thats alot cheaper than buying a new one
for $3500.

I guess this is question to autodesk if i buy an older copy from somebody can i upgrade that copy
to a new version of autocad?
From: azukowsk@neumann.une.edu.au (Anna Zukowski)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ACAD R12
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:47:58 GMT
Reply-To: azukowsk@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: azukowsk@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Aug19.202015.1412@alcbase.gun.de>, by erik@alcbase.gun.de (Erik Forker):
> does anybody know if R12 is out jet??
> 
> erik
MS DOS is out in Australia (for about 3 weeks).

Anna

Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: kelson@ais.org (David Lewis)
Subject: R12 and hp7600 #255 w/ pen speeds?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:13:15 GMT




    I just recently got a version of autocad 12 and set it up for
an HP Plotter 7600 model #255..  I used to plot by pen speed with
the hpgl/2 driver on acad 11.  but it dosent seem to give me the
option of pen speed now.  Is there a way I can turn this on so I
can use pen speed's instead of having to pick line weights?


Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: dan@aee.aee.com (Dan Ouellet)
Subject: *** INTERNATIONAL OFFER: FOR SALE SparcStation2 ****
Summary: Brand new SparcStation2's for international sale.
Keywords: sparc, sale, sun
Organization: Associated Electronic Engineers
Distribution: alt comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:35:57 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Architectural Software
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:03:19 GMT

A while ago a posted a message regarding an architectural program
called upfront.  Because of the MANY responses I had to e-mail, 
I am posting info here...

	Alias Upfront
	1-800-447-ALIAS	

required system
	mac plus w/ 2M (recommended mac IIsi w/ 5M and coprocessor)
or
	386sx, ..., 486 w/ 2M and ms windows 3.0, mouse, and color card

note: if I were an architecture student or professional, I would not
	be caught dead without this package.  It is worth its weight in gold!


gilem@rpi.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: arild@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik)
Subject: Re: Architectural Software
Reply-To: arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de
Organization: IMS, University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:55:34 GMT

In article <3tpyyzd@rpi.edu> gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:

   A while ago a posted a message regarding an architectural program
   called upfront.  Because of the MANY responses I had to e-mail, 
   I am posting info here...

	   Alias Upfront
	   1-800-447-ALIAS	

   required system
	   mac plus w/ 2M (recommended mac IIsi w/ 5M and coprocessor)
   or
	   386sx, ..., 486 w/ 2M and ms windows 3.0, mouse, and color card

How much does it cost?
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:54:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ol

pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes) writes:

>   There are many beliefs between chrisians and jews that are in conflict too!

That's a good point. Sometimes I wonder about the Republicans using this term.
I don't like the feel of it, it sounds like some others of Jewish descent are
allowing themselves to be put on a pedestal, making themselves convenient
lackeys in a way that will cause our entire people to be threatened to the
core yet again.

Especially hearing Buchanan talk this way. Koch said any Jew would be crazy
to trust Jackson. Well I'd trust Jackson a damn sight sooner than I'd trust
Buchanan, and that's the truth!

Maybe we should take every Jewish Republican and get it into his head
about Buchanan and the rest of his faction: THEY ARE USING US, THEY
CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH OUR WELL BEING, THEY <WILL> DOUBLE CROSS US,
THEY <WILL> PUT US ON THE FUCKING TRAINS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination