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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Message from Russia about Christian rock music
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:24:04 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <rhalse20.718741434@ursa>, rhalse20@ursa.calvin.edu (Rob Halsey) writes:
> I, for one, am definitely in favor of music that is not "traditional",
> be it Christian or otherwise.  In this case, however, we need to look
> carefully at Paul's words to the Corinthians.  He said don't do anything
> that might make a weaker brother stumble.  In Russia, it appears that we
> definitely have a weaker brother, as the church has only been "free" for
> a short period of time.  Maybe it would be best that they get
> established in a firm foundation before we export our music over there.
> 
> Just call me Mr. Devil's Advocate...

I must agree with you on this. I have been known to get so frustrated at
both arguments against Christian rock and condemnation of what is called
"secular" music. I listen to some weird stuff, ya see. But I would rather
die than offend my precious brothers and sisters in the provinces. You can't
understand this request of theirs by comparing it to similar statements by
brethren on this side of the planet. The people have been forced to live for
decades in a literal hell, meaning separation from God. They lived in a
spiritual void by force. There are still people there who have no idea that
there is a God, much less a God who loves them and yearns to be their God.
I know this because I've been there. I've met these people. When you walk
up to an elderly woman in Moscow and show them an apologetic and try to tell
them that you want to give them this book, they can not believe that you
are actually wanting to give this to them. You have to stand there for minutes
just to convince them that it is free. They have never experienced freely-given
love, unconditional love, agape. What I'm trying to say is, don't even try to
understand this request of theirs. They aren't trying to put their $.02 down
on some backbiting discussion. For one thing they can't afford it. They don't
even need music, IMHO. Just say "Ixous Kristos," and you have an instant
crowd of people who truly desire to know who Christ is. The written word is
the most effective means of evangelism there. One book will fall apart long
before it passes through its last pair of hands. Just keep the music over
here, OK. I beg of you, just do it, PLEASE!

						Richard Vance
						URMVANCE@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Message from Russia about Christian rock music
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:42:19 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

before everyone starts jumping all over this issue i'd like to agree
with some of the request. (you heard right.)

the Russian church has been isolated for a long time and is in dire
need of -serious- study materials. we take for granted that we can
go to a local bookstore & buy as many Bibles, concordances or whatnot
as our little hearts desire. that's not the case there.

i -don't- agree at all that any music that sounds like "rock" is bad.
(as if i had to say that...) however, before we spend money to send 
tours over to the CIS it might be a good idea to evaluate whether we 
shouldn't be sending other stuff instead.

if i want good music that makes me think, i'll listen to Christian 
rock. if i want to grow i'll go to church, study my Bible & get 
involved in discipleship. if people are asking for one it does little
good to give them the other.

jason

--
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compromise another pinky shave enlightens the brow now cow to die another day
if you prefer outside be blessed sir ostracize better bastard now forgotten
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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New DA (was : re:real monikers of the Swirling Eddies please)
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:20:48 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct9.214351.25947@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, md@theory.esm.rochester.edu (Mike DeMurga) writes:
> 
> Anyone know of any upcoming releases from either da, swirlingediies, etc.?
> 
> --Mike

I know not about any new Swirls, but DA is working on a new one, and it
shouldn't (I pray) be too terribly long til it comes out. So I still have time
to raise the funds to actually buy Kalhoun. Would a Christmas album by DA
be weird or what? Interesting.
						Richard Vance.
						URMVANCE@memstvx1.memst.edu
From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Need to know out there in net.land if anyone knows
Keywords: Christian jazz....
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:47:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


 Hello fellow Christians.......would by any chance if any of you know 
if there are any Christian jazz bands beside the Brentwood Jazz Quartet?
I have BJQ's 2 CD's they have put out..."Love Knows" and "Secret Signature"..

I love jazz and want to know if anyone might any other Christian jazz bands
out there that I am unaware of....?

And, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to sell/trade me
a Christian jazz CD for anything else???  

Perhaps a deal can be worked out......

Thank you and God Bless,
Scott

"For where two or three come together in my name, there I am with them"
-Jesus
From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Choir Music Suggestions???
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:24:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: sp95.SCHOUTEN.92Oct12112434
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D

In article <25700002@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM> davidn@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (David Neils) writes:
> I am looking for Christian choir music with both contemporary and old

Well, I really liked `Chase the Kangaroo', which I believe is one
of their older albums.  I'm not sure what their newer stuff is . . .

:-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486)
Subject: Extreme "More than.." and new cd
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:34:00 GMT

My wife and I interpreted "More than.." has song about sex, and not necessarily
about God as someone mentioned earlier but then i guess it has the connotation
of action not words...
 The new album is one of the best i have heard in a long time! I like the
first side and "Pt.2" where it talks about "will i ever change?" musically
it's difficult not to like it. It shows a lot of growth over pornograffitti 
(sp). As far as there "4 letter words" I am personally not offended, but I
grew up hearing much worse, and it doesn't go against my beliefs..
 Somebody mentioned before about "homophobic" comments about them, out of
curiosity there are certain things that made me wonder, if any are gay? I
mean i don't care, it would just bring an interesting perspective on their
music. 
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Subject: Re: Music about heaven
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:44:05 EST
Distribution: world
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Mad At the World has a song on their first album called "I Want to See
Heaven". it's one of my favorites.

on that subject...

i got to listen to bits of MATW's Through the Forest. it's bad.
Roger Rose seems to have lost all singing ability. i forget which
song off of their first album they cover, but the new "metal" version
doesn't do it justice. i've bought all their CDs up to this point and
was expecting much better. *sigh* oh well, it's not like my wish
list isn't already much longer than i can possibly afford...

jason "in your little mind you see the crime..." steiner

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rksuto@oregon.uoregon.edu (Robert Suto)
Subject: Re: Crashdog?
Organization: Dep. of Chemistry
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:32:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.083517.3140@wkuvx1.bitnet>, easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> 
> Who is Crashdog?
> 
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Crashdog?  Crashdog is a Christian punk band.

Crashdog is: Andrew Mandell - guitars
             Brian Grover - bass
             Greg Jacques - drums
             Spike Nard - vocals, mouth harp

Crashdog is a band that has come out of the Jesus People USA (JPUSA) community of Chicago.  This is where REZ lives, works, and ministers.

Two albums are out:  Humane Society (1991) and Pursuit of Happiness (1992)

If you get the chance, check them out!  I was very impressed with them at Cornerstone '92.  This type of music is too much for some people, but I find that the punk outrage and anger is healthily directed at the corrupt nature of man and society.  These guys will make you think about your attitudes and priorities, while at the same time deliver some heart pounding music.

I leave you with these lyrics:

The Pursuit of Happiness - by Crashdog

Everybody wants what they want
It's the way we've learned to live
Everybody wants what they want
But no one wants to give
Everybody wants to have some fun
Without the consequence
Everybody wants some happiness
At someone else's expense
We choke on our fill
We live in excess
But we buy, lie, and kill
In the pursuit of happiness
Everybody wants some peice of mind
So they ignore the guilt
But you can't erase this lands disgrace
Or the blood that we have spilt
Everybody wants the greener grass
That's on their neighbor's lawn
It's why wars are waged
And freedom's caged
And coffins are filled with pawns
Everybody wants to fight the fight
But no one wants to bruise
Everybody wants to die a martyr
But pray on padded pews
Everybody needs to hear the truth
About our emptiness
That Jesus Christ
Is the end of the search
In the pursuit of happiness!

Robert Suto        "If you are going to crossover, bring the Cross over!"
U of O
rksuto.uoregon.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Full Metal Worship Anniversary Party!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:20:40 GMT


Everyone on the planet is invited to the One-Year Anniversary show of
"Full Metal Worship" on 94.5 Cable FM WCXS!!! It will be an all-evening
event with food, giveaways and lotz of on-the-air fun! Bring friends! 

BANDS! Bring your stuff and we'll try to see about getting it to the people!

Also on hand (of course) will be issues of Cephas and Cephas/Teeth
Magazines for sale at a special one-day only price!

For directions to the station, email me at Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu

or snail me at: FMW Party, c/o Phil Powell, 9401 Caltor Lane, Ft.
Washington, MD  20744-3718.

Hope to see you there!

Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rhalse20@ursa.calvin.edu (Rob Halsey)
Subject: Re: Message from Russia about Christian rock music
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:23:54 GMT

jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.214616.19972@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>>From THE SCROLL, Parker, Arizona
>>

>>  Moscow, Russia - The head of the Unregistered Inion of Churches in Russia
>>  and an elder of the same group have sent an "Urgent Message to the churches
>>  of America from... the Persecuted Church in Russia."



>>       "Rock music has nothing in common with ministry or service to God. 
>>   We are very, very against Christian Americans bringing to our country
>>   this false image of 'ministry' to God.  We need spiritual bread; please
>>   give us true bread, not false cakes.  It is true that rock music
>>   attracts people to the church, but not to godly living.
 
     [rest of article deleted]

>    Well, if you put the unregistered churches in America, they would probably
>    be somewhat more "liberal" than, say, Bob Jones. That's always been my
>    perception, so I'm not at all surprised at this declaration that
>    Christian rock is "music from hell." 

>    Here we go again. Evaluate the argument and decide. I've decided that 
>    "musical traditionalists" are wrong in condeming anything "contemporary."

>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>john r la plante                    graduate student, Ohio State University
>jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait

I, for one, am definitely in favor of music that is not "traditional",
be it Christian or otherwise.  In this case, however, we need to look
carefully at Paul's words to the Corinthians.  He said don't do anything
that might make a weaker brother stumble.  In Russia, it appears that we
definitely have a weaker brother, as the church has only been "free" for
a short period of time.  Maybe it would be best that they get
established in a firm foundation before we export our music over there.

Just call me Mr. Devil's Advocate...
--
Rob Halsey                       | "I will love him and hug him, and squeeze
(rhalse20@calvin.edu)            |  him and pet him, and pet him and squeeze
Calvin College  Phi 33           |  him and I will call him George!" 
Grand Rapids, MI 49546           |                    -Looney Toons (tm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dlg47782@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tegid Tathal)
Subject: wanted: Christian music GIF's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:29:00 GMT


I am looking for an anonymous ftp site in which I can get Christian
music GIF's.  Does anyone out there in lala land know where I can
locate them.  I have heard talk about them on this net before, but
never paid too much attention.  Anyhow, please post or mail responses.

	Lev 19 (the whole chapter)
		Tegid.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Moderation (was Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted)
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:04:38 GMT
 <1992Oct9.122813.11553@sfu.ca> <1992Oct9.175225.24405@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Cc: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

>No, soc.religion.christian is too oppressively moderated... we really need
>an unmoderated group for this... maybe we should create an alt.christian.
>
>For those who don't know, the moderator of soc.religion.christian does things
>like embed his own unasked for commentry in other people's postings, as well
>as censor postings. 

I know this is getting somewhat off the subject of music, but I had to
follow up. We need a moderated group for the dicussion of Christianity,
because the readers (even us Christians---is that a good witness, or what?)
would degenerate into flames without moderation. Chuck Hedrick does a great
job of moderating s.r.c.

If you want an unmoderated newsgroup to post to, there's Practical
Christian Living, bit.listserv.christia (also available as a listserv
mailing list), so don't create a new one.

Finally, clh's editorial comments are appended, not embedded, and of course
a moderated newsgroup will reject some postings!

Jeremy

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From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chippen )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Please Read **************
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2szr.6yK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>I think we ought to be very careful in the music industry as examples
>to others.  I've played guitar for awhile and I'm ready for the
>Christian band ministry.  I've been a Christian for 7 years and I 
>feel that, with God's guidance, I could minister effectively.. but it
>HAS TO BE HIS WILL, and I won't do it unless I'm certain.

>I think that many people these days (namely Christians who want to be
>involved in bands) use Christ as a cop-out for wanting to play on a
>stage..  Christ is not their main concern, rather it is self
>glorification.  As I said, I'm a guitarist and I know how easily it
>can be a self-glorifying instrument, but prayer is desperately needed
>that we just simply glorify God--ultimately.  It's a Christian's
>duty and main goal...everything else that's important will follow.

>Many Christian metal concerts look too much like secular ones..Should
>this bother us??  Anyway, I believe it's VERY important for bands to
>in some(MANY) way(s) set themselves apart from the world in live
>situations.  Make it known that your purpose is to serve and glorify
>God..otherwise it may confuse unbelievers with mixed messages about
>Christianity.

>Whooops, late for class... but God impressed on my to write a message
>about being CAREFUL in this delicate ministry..you see what the
>reaction was in the Russian article..

>Music is a tool to be used by    God working through you
>                           or    Satan working through you...

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Amen I can't agree with you more!!!!!
chippen
From: math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: seattle bands, "christian" music, and lyrics...
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.9OCT199210572019
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 I just thought i write a bit on the popular themes of satanic music vs.
christian music, lyrics, and what music "should" i listen to that doesn't
disagree with my religion?
 Well first off, I'll think it's difficult area for one to work out. I
think a lot of people are afraid to make choices so they limit themselves
to what they listen to so they don't have to hear a "4 letter" word. I'm
not saying there's anything wrong with that but there are those of us who like
to listen to various forms of music with out being labeled "bad". 
 I personally had a difficult decision to make regarding the band Pearl Jam.
I thought they were great when i first heard them, and listened a lot to their
cd. However, I was horrified to see them on SNL give their pro-choice
presentation...so should stop listening to them and the other important issues
they bring out in their music? Well i ended up continuing listening to them..
 But I think that everyone needs to decide for themselves what they listen to
and not impoose their beliefs on others!
 Q. why even listen to other forms of music, other than christian?
 A. what defines christian music? who decides? etc..
To me christian music is kind of lifeless and unenergetic...a local christian 
tv station has some of the worst music (musically speaking)...at least to me..
I prefer rock music, but have been able to find bands that cross-over like
King's X, Galactic Cowboys, Extreme..to where they don't say "Jesus" or God in
every other sentence but the messages are real and positive.
 A band like Soundgarden while I have no idea oftheir religious prefernces,
their music has a lot of feeling and soul and describes the everyday "real"
life of mant christians. many of us have doubts and questions about our
own beliefs at times and these are shared with bands like U2...
I like music that is melodic and emotional like works composed by Chopin,
because these define our own humanity which is the major part of christianity
is not? God gave us the ideas now what we do with them to help one another is
up to us...

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**   David C. Meyers          **  "I'm looking California,            **
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From: teh@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Richie L C TEH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Apology: Re: Prayer Request from SFC latrobe Uni, VIC, Ausrtalia
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:13:21 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Hi,

    I like to apologise to everyone about sending the refered post here. 
Sorry for the inconviences. Thanks for the people who've mailed me to remind
me this, and also those who gave encouragement. God Bless

-- 
Richie   ( that's me....)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Anyone out there have Psalms Alive Music book.
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:50:33 GMT



Does anyone out there have Psalms Alive Music book?
I am desparately trying to find a copy of it but it is
out of print.

If you have this book please contact me.

thanks,
john macdonald
magundi@uwo.ca
(519) 672-0714
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:37:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct12.201927.24353@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:


>No, that's not meant as a critism of Amy (or Olivia or Julie, for that
>matter.  Well . . . okay, maybe Olivia).  

Whoa, you don't like Olivia Neutron-Bomb?  What are you, a communiss??

It's just that when you've
>heard one "Winter Wonderland" you've heard them all.  And there just
>aren't that many good original Christmas songs being written to 
>warrant the glut of Christmas albums that flood the market every year.
>But year after year people continue to buy the same songs with the same 
>arrangements sung by interchangeable vocalists.  I don't get it. 

You obviously haven't heard the Greatest Christmas Album of All Time --
THE CHIPMUNKS.  And what about the Greatest Carol of All Time -- that dog
singing "Jingle Bells"?  

Seriously, there was a Christmas album put out a few years ago to benefit
the Special Olympics; much of it was eh but Sting's version of "Gabriel's
Message" and Allyson Moyet's "Coventry Carol" were remarkable.

>"So how can you laugh when your own mother's hungry?
> And how can you smile when the reasons for smiling are wrong?
> And if I've just messed up your thoughtless pleasures
> Remember, if you wish, that this is just a Christmas song."
>   -- Jethro Tull, "Christmas Song"

Bah humbug.



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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