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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Sheffield Derby Result
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:31:20 GMT

In article 13574@ecs.soton.ac.uk, Tricky <mfd91@ecs.soton.ac.uk > () writes:
>This message is really more of a comment on Chris Woods than on the
>derby game , I've put it here in the hope more people read it - the
>last few comments i have made seemed to pass without comment .
>    When we signed Woods I felt we should have spent the money on a
>defender instead . He was fairly expensive at 1.2m and I was happy
>with Turner and Pressman anyway . Last season he took some time to
>settle down and wasn't too consistent , although he improved as the
>season progressed . He played poorly in both the derby games and was
>again caught in no-man's land at the corner this derby match . He has
>played superbly in several of the matches this season , remember that
>classic save against Middlesbro' . 
>  Unfortunately I don't live in Sheffield and I study at Soton Univ.
>so I rarely get to see Wednesday play . Can some Owl fans that have
>seen him play please mail me or follow-up this article with some
>comments on his ability. 
>

Yes last year I would agree with you. I was cursing Chris Woods after the Hillbro'
derby game. This year though he seems fantastic. He has made some great saves.
I still think (along with other Wednesday-ites) that Kevin Pressman was always the
man for the job. Whenever I saw him play he was brilliant. But Woods has now settled
into the squad and is performing.

We defineitely need a defender. Paul Warhurst is a superb man for the future, but
we need someone to partner him. We have a really old pair of central defenders
in Shirtliff and Pearson, and need someone to continue where they will left off.
Otherwise the squad is first rate.

If you are interested in going to Sheffield for matches and can make Bristol
on the train, and will share petrol costs, you are quite welcome to have a lift.
There are a few of us who go up, and we often have a space or two!!!!

I am going to the Ipswich game, and all home games (including QPR midweek)
until X-mas.

Hoppy

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From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171514.21265@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
> Let me say first off, I agree with everything Marcus said. Good article...
>
>In article <1992Nov20.143012.17237@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI
>(Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>|>---
>|>Off the top of my hat and listed in no particular order:
>|>
>|>1) "Soccer is a dull game where a goalless draw is the most common result."
>|>(Admittedly, 2.5-3.0 goals per game isn't that good but still better than

What are you on? If you want scores like 100-90, go and watch basketball. I'd
rather see a quality game that ends in 0-0 rather than an average game that
ends with 10 goals. The reason I enjoy football is "the football", not slam
dunking meaningless goals in every minute. This may be part of the reason
that football never really gets foothold in the US. There aren't enough
statistics for them to collect...watch an American football game on TV
for details.
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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Re: GERMAN WORLD CUP TEAM '94
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:01:09 GMT

In article <J19euB5w165w@netlink.cts.com> jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold) writes:
>How does Germany look for '94? Third consecutive final? Who figure to be 
>the stars of the team?
>
>- Jeff Marold

	I really hate to be pedantic but I couldn't let this one go, if
MY BELOVED GERMANY (Hi Denise!) make it to the '94 final, then it will
be their fourth consecutive appearance in the final game. If they win,
oh please, please may they win, it will be a record 4th trophy.

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From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 2nd Division Internationals
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:49:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Robbie Dennison of Wolves has been playing for N.Ireland for a while.
Maybe from the 3rd possibly 4th Division at the time.
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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), round 12.
Summary: played 14/11 and 15/11/92.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:06:09 GMT
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Dordrecht '90 - Sparta 0-0

Willem II - Cambuur 4-0
   48' Meijs
   55' van Hintum of Willem II sent off with red card.
   76' Verhagen
   88' Feskens
   90' Vincent

Fortuna Sittard - Volendam 0-0

MVV - FC den Bosch 2-1
    4' van As  1-0
   76' Meijer  2-0
   90' van Eck 2-1

Feijenoord - Ajax 0-3
   61' Davids
   72' Pettersson
   78' Overmars

FC Groningen - RKC 2-2
   31' van Duren 1-0
   33' Boogers   1-1
   45' Jalink    1-2
   53' Djurovski 2-2

Vitesse - Go Ahead Eagles 2-2
   51' Boere    0-1
   57' van Arum 1-1
   66' van Arum 2-1
   81' Boere    2-2

FC Twente - Roda JC 4-0
   18' Trost of Roda JC sent off with red card.
   18' de Boer (penalty)
   22' Prince Polley
   27' Palhplatz
   45' de Boer

FC Utrecht - PSV 2-0
   25' Smolarek
   61' Bijl


PSV             12 9 2 1 20 34- 7
FC Twente       11 7 2 2 16 24- 9
Feijenoord      11 6 4 1 16 23- 9
Ajax            10 6 3 1 15 26-10
FC Utrecht      11 6 3 2 15 18-11
Vitesse         11 4 6 1 14 17- 6
MVV             12 5 4 3 14 19-19
Willem II       11 5 3 3 13 13- 7
Go Ahead Eagles 12 4 4 4 12 16-19
Sparta          11 2 7 2 11  7- 8
Roda JC         11 5 0 6 10 19-21
FC Groningen    12 3 4 5 10 13-20
RKC             12 3 4 5 10 11-22
Cambuur         12 2 3 7  7 10-22
Volendam        10 1 4 5  6  9-11
FC den Bosch    12 1 4 7  6 10-29
Dordrecht '90   11 1 3 7  5  5-20
Fortuna Sittard 12 1 2 9  4  6-30

joost.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: US Soccer Proposal (part 3 of 3)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:59:26 GMT

In article <14749.9211231740@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>
>A minor point here.......but I doubt very much if Harkes gets anywhere
>near that much.  I'd guess at about 50,000 pounds. I'm trying to remember any 
>accounts figures that get published  for clubs (which don't name people anyway,
>but give the number of people for a given salary - you normally have to
>guess the rest!). I'd say that you have to be a regular Premier League
>player to get over 50,000, and only would approach 100,000 if you were
>though to be special, or were at a rich club who coulnd't care what they
>paid who (so Wegerle could be on any amount!). Anyone who really knows
>is welcome to correct me!
>

I read few years ago when Atkinson was still in charge that he signed
Harkes to a 3yr, $150k US/yr terms. I think Harkes is going to ask
for a transfer after this season if he's not going to play more than
the current minutes. Didn't Atkinson want to bring Harkes to Villa last
season also and the papers rated him around #1.5 million? S.W. refused
and so Harkes is obviously worth more than he's being paid.

-Dave
From: pjed@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Peter Edmondson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WOKING (FA CUP)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:58:00 GMT
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Subject: Re: offside question on goalkicks
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:12:03 +0000







In article <1992Nov23.113738.11655@uts.uni-c.dk> lamfpn@uts.uni-c.dk
(Per Nielsen) writes:

>The linesman is right. You cannot be offside if the ball comes DIRECTLY
>from a goal kick (or from a corner kick, a throw-in  or if the referee let
>the ball fall to restart the game). I guess that this rule is as old
>as the offside rule. At least it belongs to the basic rules you learn
>on a referee course.

I think you're mistaken on the dropped ball - Law 11.3(b) only lists goal-kicks,

corners and throw-ins. In practice, of course, players will normally be 
positioned for a dropped ball such that no-one could be offside, but the rules
don't preclude it.

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From: DeBarger@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: NCAA Women's Results
Organization: SLAC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:00:48 GMT

In Women's NCAA action this week-end:

Sat. Nov. 14
North Carolina 7 - 0 William and Mary
Duke 2 - 0 Virginia

Sun.Nov. 15
Santa Clara 2 - 0 Stanford
Hartford 2 - 1 Massachusetts

Semi-Finals to be played on Sat. Nov. 21
North Carolina (24-0-0) vs. Santa Clara (12-2-4)
Hartford (19-0-1) vs. Duke (16-2-4)

I missed part of the Stanford - Santa Clara match, as I
had a match of my own. Briefly: There was no score in the
first half. Stanford had an apparent goal called back, but
I couldn't get any two people to agree on the reason. Play
in the first half favored Stanford. Santa Clara goalkeeper
Sue Wall had a fine game, foiling several good scoring
attempts. In the second half, Santa Clara added another defender,
which helped control the Stanford attack. The first goal
came at about 58 min. when a shot by Christina DiGiacamo deflected
off the leg of a defender and into the Stanford net.
Ten minutes later, Santa Clara scored their second when Margaret
Krawiec beat three defenders on a fine run from the left side.
This game could have gone either way, but Santa Clara's superior
finishing was the difference, as they will no move on to face
undefeated defending national champion North Carolina.

Cheers, 

Scott DeBarger        "And all the science,
SLAC                   I don't understand.
                       It's just my job five days a week"
Stanford, CA                - Elton John
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Man Utd vs Oldham
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 13:52:22 RSA

Manchester United 3   Oldham 0
 
What! United actally scored a goal; on top all that Brian McClair (2)
and Mark Hughes scored the goals. Go United ! go ! Stay far from Liverpool,
stay ahead of Liverpool. Let them walk alone. (should not be too hard these
days, even with Barnes back).
 
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From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: ARGENTINA - week 13
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:53:12 GMT

Boca Jr.                      1    Estudiantes                   0
Rosario central               3    Independiente                 0
Argentinos jr.                2    Dep. Espa#ol                  0
San Lorenzo                   0    San Martin (Tuc.)             0
Lanus                         0    Belgrano (Cba.)               1
Talleres                      2    Velez Sarfield                1
Dep. Mandiyu (Cor.)           0    Huracan                       1
Platense                      0    Ferrocarril Oeste             1
Racing                        0    River Plate                   3
Gimnasia y Esgrima (LP)       1    Newell's Old Boys             0

Table:
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Boca                                                        21
San Lorenzo                                                 18
River                                                       17
San Martin*                                                 16
Ferro                                                       15
Lanus, Huracan                                              14
Belgrano, Mandiyu, Rosario, Talleres                        13
Argentinos                                                  12
Estudiantes, Espa#ol, Velez, Platense,  Independiente       11
Gimnasia                                                    10
Racing                                                       9
Newell's                                                     7


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From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: BBC Sports Coverage (was Re: Just laughing at England)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <BxtBE9.CKC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
|caar18@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|
|[About BBC sports reporting and English dominance]
|
|>I'm quite surprised that you've had that much `rammed down your 
|>throat', as SportsNightis almost always replaced by SportsScene 
|>in Scotland, and Match Of The Day is replaced by SportsScene 
|>Match Of The Day.
|
|Really? Did you see Sportsnight last Wednesday? I inadvertantly left my video
|recorder running after taping Michael Palin's Pole to Pole and taped all of
|Sportsnight. I watched it at the week end out of curiosity and perhaps thinking
|I had been a little harsh on the BBC. Here's what it contained:-
|
|Brian Clough, manager of the *English* team Notts Forest - long interview with.
|Rugby - Preview of *England* vs South Africa.
|Basketball - *England* vs Russia
|Football - *English* Premier League action
|
|Oh, we did get the Scottish results - thank you very much BBC - it took about
|15 seconds to read them out.
|
|One snapshot after I had made some off-the-cuff comments last week before
|realising I had taped it. Coincidence?

as opposed to the BBC's coverage of the European competitions......
Apart the live coverage of Liverpool in the Cup winners Cup, who did we
see on Sportsnight? No, not one other English team, but Hearts!

Isn't all this a matter of BBC Scotland's budget and how much they think
it should be spent on sport (as opposed to music and news stuff etc)? Down 
here in Wales (which doesn't seem to figure much in your arguments! :-) 
we always seem to get extra Rugby matches, and our own version of Sportsnight 
when something Welsh is on. I can't think BBC Wales would get a
bigger budget than BBC Scotland. But on HTV (ITV here) they seem to think 
boxing is more worthy of coverage than football (that's when it's useful 
to be able to pick up an English signal aswell!).

I don't think arguments about other sports and their interest value comes
into BBC's treatment of Scotland, which you seemed to think it did. 
Can you really speak for the rest of the country when it comes down to
who's interested in what sport? How do you know that things like snooker
and horse-jumping aren't liked/hated as much as the rest of the UK?
Cricket, maybe, is the only one I can think of which holds to that
argument (but you'll probably think of others no doubt).

Your Radio 5 point is maybe a worthy one, but doesn't Radio Scotland or
whatever cover Scottish games (like Radio Wales does  - I think!)? I always 
assumed it did, and that the English bias on Radio 5's coverage was not
unintentional.

I think you should be looking at how BBC Scotland treats sport, not how
the BBC treats Scottish sport. How the BBC treats Scotland, Wales and
Northern Ireland w.r.t. the amount of local control (and the budget for
that) is another matter.
Follow-ups to rec.arts.tv.uk ?????

My 2p worth!

gordon
From: dch@doc.ic.ac.uk (Dave Haskoll)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ENGLAND TEAM
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:16:28 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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> If there were no injury problems to face,then this would be my team.....
>
> l.   Chris Woods (Sheff Wed)   - Done sufficiently well to keep Seaman out

  Fair enuff, wouldn't argue.

> 2.   Lee Dixon  (Arsenal )     - Showed last night he still has flair

  Here we go... "flair" and "Lee Dixon" in the same sentence?
  Paul Parker over Dixon I think.

> 3.   Stuart Pearce (Notts F)   - An inspirational captain

  Won't argue...

> 4.   Neil Webb  (Man U/Nott F) - Now he's on the move will be great again

  Hmmm

> 5.   Des Walker (Sampdoria)    - Classy defender

  Arsenal supporter appreciating class?! Are you feeling OK Deb?

> 6.   Tony Adams (Arsenal)      - A tower of strength

  F*** off.

> 7.   David Platt (Juventus)    - Works tirelessly
> 8.   Paul Gascoigne (Lazio)    - Need we say more???
> 9.   Alan Shearer (Blackburn)  - A battler
> 10.  Paul Merson (Arsenal)     - Adaptable forward with skill and pace

  Yes, OK. Shearer scores goals but I notice you emphasise "battler".

> 11.  David Batty (Leeds U)     - Strong worker

  Yes, so are Dennis Wise, Steve McMahon, Vinny Jones...
  How this man ever gets picked for England is beyond me.

> 12.  Martin Keown (Everton)    - Excellent prospect

  Oh dear.

> 13.  David Seaman (Arsenal)    - I'm biased!!

  Well that's the only explanation.

> 14.  Gary Parker (Aston Villa) - A classy midfielder with great touch

  The ugly face of English football. Good player, though.

> 15.  Chris Waddle (Sheff Wed)  - Shows excitement

  Excitement? England?

> 16.  Ian Wright (Arsenal)      - A natural goalscorer

  Shame he hasn't managed to "naturally" score for England yet.
  As a "natural" goalscorer he shouldn't have to put too much effort in.

Well, what can I say? There seems to be an alarming number of current 
and ex-Arsenal players. The emphasis seems firmly on "strength"
and "tireless workers", which I suppose is only to be expected from
an Arsenal supporter. I'd hate to see our national team full of
"workers" at the expense of skill players, like Peter Beardsley for
example. If you include Chris Waddle, why not include Beardsley?

The fact that Andy Gray once played for England should be a lesson
for us all. May it never be allowed to happen again.

Dave
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Subject: Israeli 10nth Round
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:10:36 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

Israel
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Beitar(Jerusalem) - Bnei Yehuda( Tel-Aviv)
	2		1
Maccabi(Haifa)    - Maccabi(Tel-Aviv)
	0		0
Maccabi(Netanya)  - Hapoel(Beer-Sheva)
	0		2
Tzafririm(Holon)  - Hapoel (Petah-Tiqva)
	3		1
Hapoel(Tel-Aviv)  - Hapoel(Haifa)
	1		1
Beitar(Tel-Aviv)  - Maccabi(Petah-Tiqva)
	3		0


 1 Beitar      (Jerusalem)	10   7  1  2  18 : 13  22
 2 Maccabi     (Tel-Aviv)	10   5  3  2  26 : 13  18
 3 Maccabi     (Haifa)		10   5  3  2  22 : 15  18
 4 Bnei Yehuda (Tel-Aviv)	10   5  2  3  19 : 16  17
 5 Maccabi     (Petah-Tiqva)	10   4  3  3  19 : 17  15
 6 Hapoel      (Beer-Sheva)	10   4  3  3  15 : 14  15
 7 Hapoel      (Tel-Aviv)	10   4  2  4  15 : 18  14
 8 Tzafririm   (Holon)		10   3  2  5  16 : 19  11
 9 Hapoel      (Haifa)		10   2  4  4   9 : 14  10
10 Beitar      (Tel-Aviv)	10   3  1  6  13 : 19  10
11 Maccabi     (Netanya)	10   2  3  5  10 : 19   9
12 Hapoel      (Petah-Tiqva)	10   2  1  7  15 : 20   7
From: graya@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (aNdY gRaY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: hull
Summary: hull city
Keywords: tigers
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:12:14 GMT


somewhere out there, they must be a HULL city fan!!!

come on admit it.

thay are crap but I love 'em
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