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From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Reply to Deicide, MOrbid Angel post
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.221034.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <Bz3MHp.JpC@math.uwaterloo.ca>, amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec10.194649.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Well, I kept talking about it because there's not much traffic in this group,
>>>but I'd better come up with something to excuse myself. Okay, how many bands
>>>are there out there that actually claim to be Satanic? The only guy I know of
>>>is King Diamond, and I haven't heard much of what he has to say, but I've
>>>been told that he doesn't have a clue.
>>>
>> 	I suppose we all have Deicide come to mind right away.  And Venom,
>> well, back in their heyday, everyone thought they were major Satanists, until
>> we realized it was pretty much all tongue-in-cheek.
>
>Hmmmm...does Deicide actually claim to be Satanists in any serious way? I've
>never seen/heard/read any of their interviews myself, but I've heard about a
>few. Saying things like, "I hate to fly because it brings me closer to God."
>But do they actually say, "hey, we worship Satan. Really!" Everything I've 
>heard about sounds not too serious.
>
	Well, if song lyrics are any indication, they're Satanists alright.

Crucifixation
=============

Give praise to Satan, he has won
Cynical existence, crucifixion
You will give praise to Satan
Lord of lords, king of kings

	.
	.
	.

Sacrificial Suicide
===================

Satanized, crucified, feel the wrath of suicide
Incus fear of the sphere, angel darkness disappears
Covenant, blasphemous, open up unholiness
Father Satan, let me lust unholy sins

	.
	.
	.

Enough?  In the credits of _Deicide_ it says "Special thanks to our friends and
families, all the fanzines in the world - you are the true servants of Satan"

	I suppose I shouldn't be saying that DEICIDE are Satanists, but Glen
Benton is a Satanist, as he writes all the lyrics, so there's no telling for
sure whether the other members are just along for the ride (like Mercyful Fate/
King Diamond).

Sin my soul, blessed with fire,
						  Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
                                                     __   __            
                                                    /  `-' /          ,,
                                                    |[====|||||||||||[::}
                                                    \__.-._\          ``
From: cmrtcv@elroy.uh.edu (92F09797)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Re:QUESTION:Those 'Satanic' Bands
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:32 CST
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In article <1992Dec18.134205.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>In article <18DEC199210494251@jane.uh.edu>, cmrtcv@jane.uh.edu (92F09797) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.073347.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>>>In article <17DEC199222463343@jane.uh.edu>, cmrtcv@jane.uh.edu (92F09797) writes:
>>>> there were alot of religious
>>>> people hanging around outside handing out religious flyers and one of them
>>>> happened to hand one to Benton..he looked at the man, grabbed all of the
>>>> flyers from his hands and threw them into the street and the wind scattered 
>>>> them all... I was really impressed..he is so cool (sarcasm).
>>> 
>>>Jesus did it to the moneychangers at the Temple and people are awed by
>>>his actions to this day...the moneychangers were serving more of a
>>>purpose too...
>>> 
>>    So what are you saying??
> 
>Nothing much; it was the first thing that popped into my head.
> 
>Why? What are *you* saying?
  Not much either...just wondering what you were saying....
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Re:QUESTION:Those 'Satanic' Bands
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <17DEC199222463343@jane.uh.edu>, cmrtcv@jane.uh.edu (92F09797) writes:
> there were alot of religious
> people hanging around outside handing out religious flyers and one of them
> happened to hand one to Benton..he looked at the man, grabbed all of the
> flyers from his hands and threw them into the street and the wind scattered 
> them all... I was really impressed..he is so cool (sarcasm).

Jesus did it to the moneychangers at the Temple and people are awed by
his actions to this day...the moneychangers were serving more of a
purpose too...

--Semhaza 
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From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Subject: Re: "noise intros"
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:50:29 GMT

In article <1gg73fINN6s8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman) writes:
>
>In a previous article, cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett) says:
>
>>In article <gdoherty.724177718@unix1.tcd.ie> gdoherty@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin) writes:
>>>In <1g931uINN1f8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman) writes:
>>>
>>>>The "noise" at the beginning of "Hell Awaits" is "Join us" backwards a
>>>>lot of times, with what sounds like people screaming/crying in the
>>>>background.
>>>
>>>Does anybody know what the (presumably backwards) bit spoken/shouted just
>>>before the music starts is?
>>>
>>>	Gavin.
>>>--
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                             "Huh?"
>>>Gavin Doherty, Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin, gdoherty@unix1.tcd.ie
>>
>>I recorded this on a friend's computer using the Sound Blaster card.  We
>>reversed it, played it in a Walkman w/ bad batteries (to slow it down), 
>>and played it in a dubber (to speed it up).  The best we came up with was
>>"Welcome back!", which is what it sounds like when played forwards.  This
>>seemed appropriate, and we gave up after that.  If anyone knows the actual
>>"translation" of the lyric, please post it.
>>
>>-Chuck
>>
>
>I think that bit is "Welcome back!", though heavily distorted or
>something like that (I think it's played forwards though).
>
>The guitars sound somewhat similar to the guitar in the intro to
>"Raining Blood."  (ie high pitched "squeeling" with other noise in the
>foreground, such as screaming or rain).  I don't think they're random
>though.  (Slayer's solos tend to sound kinda random at times, though ;)
>
>-- 
>Matt Holliman, slayer@imsa.edu  "Honesty is my only excuse"
>                                    METALLICA, DAMAGE, INC.
From: cmrtcv@jane.uh.edu (92F09797)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Re:QUESTION:Those 'Satanic' Bands
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:46 CST
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In article <BzFnvx.F4L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge) writes...
>In article <1992Dec16.180706.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.045201.10515@pellns.alleg.edu>, goetzj@pell4l20 (Justin Goetz) writes:
>>> I have seen pictures and heard the story that the lead singer of Deicide  
>>> burned an inverted cross into his forehead to show his love of Satan.
>>> Just what I heard from a friend who is a fan of this kind of music.
>>> 
>>> 				Justin
>>
>>So has anybody actually seen this bugger? Is it for real? Or just make-up?
>>
     In the summer of 1991, I happened to go to the Milwaukee Metal-Fest and
stayed at the same hotel with all the bands on the bill.  Benton was there and
I happened to see him up close and he did have an upside down cross burned into
his forehead.....it was such an indentation that he even walked around with a
silver cross placed inside the 'burn'...I don't know if he glued it on or if the
scar was deep enough but it was on his forehead....there were alot of religious
people hanging around outside handing out religious flyers and one of them
happened to hand one to Benton..he looked at the man, grabbed all of the flyers
from his hands and threw them into the street and the wind scattered them all...
I was really impressed..he is so cool (sarcasm).
From: kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Buying Music Not the Message (Re: Neo-Nazis)
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:38:16 +0100
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions


	If Jimmy Swaggert came out with the world's best thrash CD 
would you buy it?

	If LA's former police chief Gates cut a fantastic record, would you 
be first in line to get it?  Would you still be in line if he got 
another Police Chief job and he said that he was going to start 
targeting whites for beatings?

	Is it okay to buy the music and not it's message?

	In regard to neo-nazi music or anything else to do with 
neo-nazis, I simply have to say no emphatically.  It should not be 
banned because the best way to show that an asshole is an asshole is 
to let him bury himself.  But I can in no way shape or form let myself 
be used for the purpose of supporting racial or any other form of 
hatred.  Neo-nazi movements are serious developments in our society; 
something that we should take seriously and consider why they develop. 
We should combat the ignorance that fuels them (both the ignorance of 
the people who take part in them and the ignorance of politicians who 
use such things to maintain power).  If you support them with your 
dollars, you are giving an implicit (if not explicit) sign of your 
support for their cause.
 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Wohlstand bringt viel Leder -- AG Geige
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From: d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: MORE OF THOSE DAMNED NOISE INTROS
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: alt.thrash
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:03:58 GMT

In article <Bz5tyM.K2u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge) writes:
>I think I recall that an early Asphyx or Unleashed album also had one
>of those damned noise intros. Can anyone out there verify that?  I do not
>have an of the early albums by both of those groups. Though I remember that
>there was some really good death on it.
>
Unleashed haven't used any noise intros, so I guess you are referring to the
intro on Asphyx' _The Rack_... I listened to it yesterday, and I have to say
that this intro is really cool! Many intros are annoying, especially if they
are too long, but this one is a real masterpiece. The album is good too.

-- 
 _.^._  |\_|\_|\ V2.0 /|_/|_/|"There's no tomorrow,           |
[_<X>_] Thomas Wolmer        | just sadness and sorrow        |
  !_!   d90-two@nada.kth.se  | Hold on to the Ancient Dreams" |
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From: jmmcinty@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M McIntyre)
Subject: RE: Question - Deicides bassist
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:04:32 GMT

   Yes, Whatshisname does have an inverted cross burnt into his forehead every
3rd Sunday of the month. He has a son named Daemon. He's kinda goofy.
From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: "noise intros"
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:14:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1g931uINN1f8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman) writes:
>
>In a previous article, cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett) says:
>>
>>As far as Slayer is concerned, the "Hell Awaits" studio and live intros
>>sound the same to me, but do not appear to be random (ie. noise).  Also, 
>>don't forget the "Ghost of War" intro.  This is another example of that 
>>random-sounding precision for which Slayer is so well known.  
>>
>>-Chuck
>>
>
>The "noise" at the beginning of "Hell Awaits" is "Join us" backwards a
>lot of times, with what sounds like people screaming/crying in the
>background.
>
>
>-- 
>Matt Holliman, slayer@imsa.edu  "Honesty is my only excuse"
>                                    METALLICA, DAMAGE, INC.
From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: QUESTION:Those 'Satanic' Bands
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:58:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I have no idea what the fuck is happening.  SO i am going to re-write what
i wrote in the last article that did not post.
The mention of Glenn Benton's tatoo is of no surpirse, though i did not know
about it until i read it in this group.  On a similar note, I saw a band
that had a lead singer who had a tatoo covering his whole back of Jesus's face
,in green ink, and he was wearing the crown of thorns, with little red ink
dropplets of blood trickling out of his open wounds.  Kind of neat.
I am pretty sure that the band was not a Stryper type of preaching band.
It was a big sign of Blashpemey!

	angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
"I bring Love to give you solace in the darkness of the night" - Rush
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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: GERMAN NEO-NAZI THRASH BANDS(SHIT FOR BRAINS,RACIST FUCKERS)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:35:18 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology
Keywords: SAD SHIT

In <1992Dec9.151327.2344@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk writes:

>  I FIND IT PRETTY SAD THAT SOMEBODY IS EVEN CONSIDERING TAKING INTREST
>  IN A NAZI BAND.WHO CARES IF THE MUSIC SOUNDS GOOD IF THE LYRICS
>  ARE RACIST/NAZI BULLSHIT YOU SHOULDNT TOUCH IT,COS IF YOURE NOT
>  RACIST/NAZI YOURSELF YOU SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO BEAR LISTENING TO THE
>  CRAP THESE BANDS NO DOUBT SPOUT.RACISM/NAZIS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED
>  IN ANYWAY.FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS FINE UNTIL PEOPLE START USING IT AS AN 
>  EXCUSE FOR RACE HATE AND PROMOTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST MINORITIES.
>  ALSO I CAN'T BELIEVE YOUR SQUABBLING ABOUT WETHER IT WAS SKA OR OI OR
>  WHATEVER,IT WAS ALL SHIT COS IT WAS NAZI MUSIC WHATEVER STYLE IT WAS
>  PLAYED IN.

>   GRAHAM. 

I've got some bad new for you.  Your intolerant attitude is just as
reprehensible.   I've got nothing positive to say about Nazi's.  I'm
curious about these bands because I want to get my hands on any art that
the government is trying to suppress.

It's people like you who think that "Freedom of Speach [note the spelling]
only goes so far" are the real danger to society.  

In fact one of my major points was that if the government does ban such
music, it would be a very bad move.  

Three final points:

1) Get clear who said what.  This was an exchange between many people, not
just two people having a discussion.

2) don't quote the whole damn thing in your response

3) TURN OF YOUR FUCKING CAPS LOCK KEY!



-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Buying Music Not the Message (Re: Neo-Nazis)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:37:03 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec13.133222.7882@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.173207.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>> 
>> When I say that I would buy Swaggart's record, part of the condition that
>> makes it "best thrash" is that it has to be listenable. If he was singing
>> extracts from his sermons, that would not be listenable. If he sang about
>> something I could stand, and he was otherwise preaching, and it really
>> *was* the best album ever, yes I would buy it.
>>
>         And what if you don't understand the lyrics?  The vast
> majority of Americans don't speak a work of German but some say they
> like German music because it sounds 'harder'.  The lyrics in neo-nazi
> music are a sermon and just because you don't understand "Auslaender
> raus!  Bleib pur!  Deutschland fuer die Deutsche!"
> doesn't make it any less of a sermon.

I rarely listen to bands that have lyrics I can't understand at all. If I
can't catch enough words to get an idea of what they're saying, I tend
not to like them. It doesn't matter if they're singing Jesus, equality,
racism, or Nike ads in German--I won't listen very  much. Partly for the
reason you implied above--I don't know what I'm getting. I wouldn't want to
support an explicitly pro-racism product. Actually I have other concerns
that are bigger to me than racism, but the principle is the same.

--Semhaza
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Reply to Deicide, MOrbid Angel post
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:40:35 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec11.223604.15381@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> (I don't know how to quote so I'm just gonna reply)
> Personally, I think it's rather corny when a band sings about topics they
> really know nothing about.  This goes beyond satanism.  Some bands sing
> about political problems and other things and they really have no 
> information to back up the lyrics.  My preference, with death-metal, is
> gore.  I love descriptions of bloody dismemberments over brutal riffs.
> Cannibal Corpse is my favorite band.  Now, I really doubt Chris Barnes
> ever ripped entrails from a virgin's cunt, or sodomizes people with meat-
> hooks.  But that's different.  Most bands that sing about satanism, etc.
> want to make us believe that they actually practice it.  I don't know 
> anybody who is naive enough to believe that Chris acutally "Mangled"
> anybody.  CC is shock value lyrics, and I love it.  If a band sings about
> satanism because they think it is interesting and can write some good songs
> with it, fine.  But if they want us to believe that they acutally pratice it
> they they better actually practice it.
> 
>                                                      ->Spice

I don't think that most bands want us to believe they're actually practicing
Satanists, either. I don't hear any lyrics from most bands that try to suggest
this. Mostly I hear stuff like Slayer. Sure, they sing about demons and hell,
but I think it's just because it's something to write songs about and it sells.
I don't know if Deicide are Satanists, I don't know if they even want us to
believe that they are, but I think Benton really means some of the things he
sings about. Hating televangelists and things like that.

You're right, when they try to sound like Satanists (or anything) and don't
know what they're talking about, it's ridiculous. I read an interview with
King Diamond  in which he pulled out a copy of the _Necronomicon_ and started
talking about what a powerful book it was, and it was ancient and nobody knew
its origins. I didn't know whether to crack up or be embarrassed.

--Semhaza 
Organization: Educational Tech, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:52:11 -0500 
From: "John William Hollis, III" <jh4y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Reply to Deicide, MOrbid Angel post
	<Bz7tvD.LLJ@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>

Whether or not Glen Benton is a "true satanist," he's insane enough to
have branded his forehead with an upside-down crucifix.  He says he
redoes it whenever he catches himself having "good thoughts."  Didn't he
also name his son Daemon (as in Satan Spawn)?

Of course, there's always Dead By Dawn with "Trapped in a spell of the
Necronomicon."  Makes you wonder, especially since it starts with "Book
of the Dead pages bound in human flesh."

Sean

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From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Reply to Deicide, MOrbid Angel post
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:36:04 GMT

(I don't know how to quote so I'm just gonna reply)
Personally, I think it's rather corny when a band sings about topics they
really know nothing about.  This goes beyond satanism.  Some bands sing
about political problems and other things and they really have no 
information to back up the lyrics.  My preference, with death-metal, is
gore.  I love descriptions of bloody dismemberments over brutal riffs.
Cannibal Corpse is my favorite band.  Now, I really doubt Chris Barnes
ever ripped entrails from a virgin's cunt, or sodomizes people with meat-
hooks.  But that's different.  Most bands that sing about satanism, etc.
want to make us believe that they actually practice it.  I don't know 
anybody who is naive enough to believe that Chris acutally "Mangled"
anybody.  CC is shock value lyrics, and I love it.  If a band sings about
satanism because they think it is interesting and can write some good songs
with it, fine.  But if they want us to believe that they acutally pratice it
they they better actually practice it.

                                                     ->Spice
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From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Subject: QUESTION: Those 'Satanic' Bands
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: alt.thrash
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:45:21 GMT

Angelboy here again.  All this talk of Satanism has made me wonder.
How many of you actually think that most of these bands are Satanic?
I mean, to me, most are what i call 'play evil' bands.  They act all
evil because they know people like it, or get intrigued by it, or 
whatever.  And which bands do you think are 'play evil'?  

	angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
"I bring Love to give you solace in the darkness of the night" - Rush
From: S.E.Rigden@newcastle.ac.uk (Simon Rigden)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: "noise intros"
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:22:37 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett) writes:

>[ stuff deleted ]
>
>As far as Slayer is concerned, the "Hell Awaits" studio and live intros
>sound the same to me, but do not appear to be random (ie. noise).  Also,
>don't forget the "Ghost of War" intro.  This is another example of that
>random-sounding precision for which Slayer is so well known.

>-Chuck

 The "Ghost of War" intro is infact the last few bars of "Chemical Warfare"
(available on "Live Undead" and certain versions of the "Show No Mercy" CD).
 I think Slayer wasted a golden opportunity here to play "Chemical Warfare"
followed, without pause, by "Ghost of War" at their live shows.
 Or maybe they did and I missed it.

 - SER
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