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From: weld@chilliwack.cs.washington.edu (Daniel S. Weld)
Subject: Canon EOS 1 Autofocus
Organization: University of Washington, Computer Science & Eng.
Distribution: rec.photo
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:45:52

I'm trying to decide between a Nikon 8008s and a Canon EOS 1 camera.
I have no investment in either lens system.  The Canon seems to be much
better at exposure control (easy access to exp compensation via QCD,
"analog" meter in viewfinder showing multiple readings (useful w/ spot and
AEL)) as well as auto bracketing and ability to control leader in/out. But
before I pay twice the price of the 8008s I'd like to clear up one
mystifying inconsistency...

It seems like Canon's lens mount *has* to work better than Nikon's since it
was designed for autofocus, has no backwards compatibility to handicap it,
has only electronic coupling between lens and camera, has motors matched
for the lens in the lens itself (as Nikon has done with the new lenses for
the F4S), plus many people repeat that it is superior, BUT...

The popular photography tests show that the EOS 1 and EOS 10S both focus
substantially slower than the Nikon 6006 (which uses the same chip and
software as the 8008s).  How can this be?  Can anyone confirm or advise? 
Also the test results showed that the exposure accuracy of the EOS 1 was a
bit sloppy. I love the way the camera feels, but am skittish before
shelling out thousands for a new system. 

Any opinions and advice appreciated - either via follow up or direct email.
Thanks. 

    Daniel Weld
    Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering
    Mail Stop FR-35                            Internet: weld@cs.washington.edu
    University of Washington                   Phone:    (206) 543-9196
    Seattle, WA 98195                          Fax:      (206) 543-2969
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: solomon@becks (James Solomon)
Subject: Need recommendations on one-touch
Reply-To: solomon@comm.mot.com
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:22:56 GMT


Greetings:

I'm looking for a 35mm one touch, preferably under $200, which has the
following qualities:

o  as fine a picture quality as possible,
o  light weight (ideally I could stick it in a coat pocket while cycling),
o  zoom capability,
o  [something I may be overlooking]

I'm considering the Nikon ZoomTouch 400 and the Olympus Infinity Zoom 210, both
of which I've received quotes for $169.95.

Does anyone own one of these who can give me his/her impressions?  Is this a
good price for these cameras?  Are there other brands I should check out?  Am I
going to be disappointed in a few years that I didn't by an SLR with
interchangeable lenses?  What's the meaning of life?  Etc. Etc.

Please reply by Email and I'll summarize.
--
Jim Solomon (solomon@comm.mot.com)
Disclaimer:  It's my fault, not Motorola's.
From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Questions about a Pentax ME
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:40:59 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In article <BuzJBK.C7o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> drw41888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Wiltz) writes:

>buechler@carbonessc.psu.edu (Jeff Buechler) writes:
>
>>In article <TSOS.102.717148938@uni-duesseldorf.de>, TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de 
>>(Detlef Lannert) writes:
>>|> In article <BuuCsH.J6D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> drw41888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Wiltz) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> >The ME is an aperature-priority camera.  You set the f-stop, and 
>>|> >the camera determines the correct shutter speed. (Hopefully)
>>|> >The 1/4X, etc are compensations to shutter speeds.  1X is the
>>|> >camera-determined value, 1/2 is hafl the exposure value (twice
>>|> >the shutter speed.)  2X is twice the exposure (half the shutter speed)
>>|> 
>>|> Probably a typo (no nit-picking intended :-)) : 1/2x means *half* the
>>|> shutter speed, 2x means *twice* the shutter speed, etc.. 
>
>>Actually, Dave Wiltz was correct in the first place, and Detlef Lannert is incorrect;
>>according to the Pentax ME manual:
>
>>    "You will obtain 'normal' exposure at 1x, while 1/2x and 1/4x automatically
>>     program the camera to deliver one half and one fourth the amount of light
>>     to the film.  The 2x and 4x settings automatically double and quadruple
>>     the light reaching the film."
>
>Yea, but I did spell 'half' as 'hafl'

Sorry, I actually didn't mean _that_ typo (which is obvious); maybe
there is some confusion like that about "small" vs. "large apertures".
What I was going to say is, for example,

       you have 1/125 sec at "1x" => you'll have 1/250 sec at "1/2x"
                                            or   1/60  sec at "2x".

In terms of "speeds", however, one might feel that 1/250 is twice
the speed of 1/125 because the time is shorter (although the actual
speed of the shutter is always a constant). 

If this is the common usage, I must apologize; I took "shutter speed"
as a synonym for "exposure time", both being measured in (fractions
of) seconds.
--
Detlef Lannert      DC3EK      E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
"Gedanken sind nicht stets parat,
man schreibt auch, wenn man keine hat."             Wilhelm Busch
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Re: Deniz_Tek.jpg (01/01) [Rock and Roll]
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:47:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.085419.15722@cs.joensuu.fi> jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha  
Pehkonen) writes:
> I know it's not a good idea to send those photos to this newsgroup, but
> using alt.binaries.pictures.* newsgroups wouldn't be a good idea either.
> So, if I'm just being ignorant and there already is a newsgroup for our
> photos, tell me. If not, let's create one. I personally think it would be
> a great idea. Opinions? 

I've been thinking about scanning and posting some of my own work.  I think  
it's a great idea.  I don't think we need our own special newsgroup, however.   
Instead, why not just post the image to alt.binaries.pictures.misc or even the  
new group alt.binaries.pictures.fineart.digitized and put a note in this group  
describing the image and telling people where they can find it.

--Mark
From: 739chan1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: All-weather options?\
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:17:21 EST
Keywords: Weather
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Sep23.094603.9807@eye.com>, paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
> Hi-
> 
> Any recommendations for an all-weather P/S?  I'm looking for a mid-range kind
> of camera -- closer to a Nikonos than to a Kodak Fling-in-a-baggy.  The person
> I'm buying it for is a kayaker, not a diver, so water resistance is important,
> but it doesn't need to stay dry at >10feet.  I've seen a couple of posts re.
> the Minolta Weathermatic, and a Fujii somesuch; could these fit my bill?

   I don't own one of those since I'm a shoestring photographer. (I'm talking
about my budget, not about photographing shoestrings) But I do take my camera
out to weather other people might consider "hazardous". The solution is careful
cleaning and regular maintainence. You can also do wonders with a little
resourefulness and some old plastic bags. If you are worried about the camera
dropping into the sea, then consider getting one of those underwater housing
cases. If I'm not mistaken, there's also what is in effect a very expensive
plastic bag out in the market where you can put any camera inside, seal it and
go merrily on your way underwater.

   I've seen pictures of a National Geographic photographer wading neck deep 
in Lake Something in Africa. He was holding a regular Nikon with a 600mm(?)
telephoto attached. One slip, and it could be End of Nikon. I'm assuming that a
kayaker doensn't get water splashed up at him all the time, unlike a wild-water
rafter. If I'm wrong, ignore this posting.

   One more thing I should point out. All-weather cameras also require
all-weather lenses. These (if any) are just as expensive as the cameras.

__________________________________________________________________________
Chan Lee Meng          \  "Let us endeavour to live so that when we die,
739chan1@gw.wmich.edu    \   even the undertaker will be sorry."
X92chan3@gw.wmich.edu      \   - Mark Twain.
Western Michigan University. \

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: duli@prony.colorado.edu (Li Du)
Subject: Next Nikon camera: An AF interchangeable lens rangefinder?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:29:10 GMT

Believe it or not, Nikon is in process of producing a new professional
rangefinder camera which will do autofocus with all Nikon AF lenses, and
will accept all manual Nikon lenses. Following are some primary information
about the camera, it's up to you to believe or disbelieve the information.
I made a promise not to reveal my source of information, so please don't 
ask me any questions.

-- The camera probably will be named Nikon SP2, after the old SP series
   rangefinder cameras of the '50s.
-- The camera will accept all existing Nikon F mount lenses. In fact, the
   lens mound will be the same as the modern AF cameras.
-- The camera will have an autofocus CCD sensor array and an AF drive motor.
   The rangefinder is electronic and there will be no traditional optical
   rangefinder. The working principle of the electronic rangefinder is the
   same as the modern AF camera.
-- The camera viewfinder will have frame lines for 28mm to 105mm lenses.
   Viewfinder shows frame either by reading the setting of AF-Nikkor lenses, 
   or by manual control for use with manual Nikon lenses. There will be a
   seperate auxillary wide-angle finder with frames for 20mm and 24mm lenses
   that can be mount on the top of the camera. The auxillary finder will
   also incorporate contacts and LEDs for autofocus readout and focus
   assistance.
-- The camera will have a focal plane shutter with shutter speed from 1/2000
   to 1 second plus B setting. There will be an aperture-priority exposure
   mode.
-- The camera either will have a seperate mirror, much smaller than the SLR
   mirror, with swinging support, or will have some reflective matterial
   placed on the shutter to direct light to AF sensor.
-- Viewfinder layout will be N2000/N2020 type except the frame lines. It
   will show autofocus area, in and out of focus indicators, and numerical
   shutter speeds. In manual exposure, the camera will show both manual
   speed and metered speed.
-- There probably will be a seperate motor for film winding and rewinding.

We can see that, in terms of technology, there is nothing new in this camera.
Nikon probably realizes that with the advent of the electronically controlled
autofocus camera, it is suddenly possible, and easy, to produce a quiet,
professional rangefinder camera that will accept and operate fully with
exsiting aotufocus SLR lenses. From manufacture point of view, such a
camera can be produced with many existing parts, and could be relatively 
inexpensive. Although marketability is an unanswered question, it seems that
such a camera shoule appeal to many professional and serioue amatuer 
photographers. If Nikon's market research indicates there definitely is a
market for such a camera, it probably will be in production in six months.


---------------------------------
 Li Du | duli@prony.colorado.edu
---------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: For sale: BJ 4x5 camera, polaroid 545 back. Wanted: EOS/Tamron lenses
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:07:46 GMT

Still for sale: B&J 4x5 rail camera. Full set of front and back tilts swivels
rises, 360 degree rotating back. 2ft rail. lensboard (no lens). Good bellows.
Aluminum construction. Overall good shape. $250

Polaroid 545 back for 4x5. Used, but functional. $75

WANTED: I doubt anyone does, but just in case, does anyone have a Canon
EF300/2.8L, EF300/4L or Tamron 400/4 that they would like to sell? Let me
know if you do and maybe we can make a deal.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
===============================================================
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Re: Wedding, a list of standard shots
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:23:39 GMT

In article <27464@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> mtoms@ems.cdc.com (Mark Toms)  
writes:
> In article <5113@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, patrice@cs.concordia.ca  
(SCATTOLIN patrice) writes:
> |> 
> |> 
> |> Does anyone have a list of shots that one MUST do as a wedding 
> |> photographer.  I was asked to do the wedding of a friend and 

> |> my first. Any help is appreciated.  Is this a FAQ? Should we build one?. 
> |> 
>
>   You might look for the book titled "Professional Techniques of the
> Wedding Photographer" for some hints on this.  It is available
> at most photo stores and a lot of book stores.
> 
>   I can look up more information (like publisher) for you if 
> you need it.
> 

I have this book, and would recommend it to anyone about to shoot their first  
wedding.  (Unless you've been apprenticing for a few years with a seasoned  
wedding photog!)  The book also contains a checklist of "standard shots".  You  
should photocopy this page and take it to the couple getting married as well as  
their immediate families.  Go over the list with them and decide which shots  
they want and which shots they don't.  Give them each a copy to keep and have  
them sign/initial the copy you keep.  This will eliminate the inevitable "but  
why didn't we get a shot of our daughter by the fountain?" querries which  
always arise after the ceremony.

Hope this helps.

--Mark
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: S0001@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Sigma MF zoom lens recommendations?
Organization: CSU
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:20:33 GMT

I've always thought that 35mm was not wide enough, you should get more
use out of the 28-35mm range then you will at the 70-80mm range.  My
choice would be a 28-70 and a 70-200.  Just these 2 lenses will cover most
of your subjects. Also you may want to consider the other major manufacturers.
 
John Nolan   S0001 @ vmcms.csuohio.edu
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: I bought a Zone VI.  Now I have a question.
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.


Planning on failing my orals, I ordered a Zone VI 4x5 field camera and
Schneider 120 Super Symmar HM to console myself.  Unfortunately, MIT
standards have fallen so dramatically that I passed despite my
palpable ignorance.  I now find myself in the following situation:

1) I have tenure as a grad student, which is good.

2) I am afraid to use the Zone VI because it is so beautiful.  I'm
happy to beat up on my far-more-expensive Rollei 6008 or Sinar F2.  I
guess this is bad.

3) I can't get any of the three lensboards in without what seems like
excessive force.

With the retainer slides all the way to their limits, shouldn't the
lensboard just drop in?  Or is it way tight in order to prevent light
leaks with wood?

Thanks,

Philip Greenspun
Grad student for life
MIT Department of EECS
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: former nikon owner
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:50:37 GMT

From article <1992Oct1.042040.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, by zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi):
> In article <1992Sep30.162445.6981@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, eugene@briar.lle.rochester.edu (Eugene Kowaluk) writes:
> ...
>> But too late, after 15 years with Nikon I switched to Canon last month.

Are you sure you can learn to focus the other way (Nikon focus in reverse
direction in the turn of the focus ring) after 15 years?  Or is your new
camera AF?
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: multiple aperture markings on a large-format lens
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:58:04 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <97pL02EL23JQ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, bjs@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
(Barry Sherman) writes:
|> donl mathis writes:
|> 
|> [ discussion of convertible large format lenses deleted ]
|> 
|> >You people with your zoom lenses.  Things weren't always so cushy.  :)
|> 
|> So when's the long rumored (at least for the last 5 minutes) Schneider
|> Hyper-Symmar HM Wide Field 65-500 f2.8 tele zoom due out?

Pfffft! I'm waiting for the f/1.4....they say it'll cover 11x14 ;-).

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: 8008 Lockup
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:20:29 GMT


I have had an early production Nikon 8008 for some time. Recently
it decided to lock-up for good, and need some information.

As this is a known defect in the early run, do you people think 
that Nikon will repair the problem for free? Or am I going to be
in for a bill of several hundred dollars - to pay for an engineering
defect?

Does anyone have a phone number for me to call to get return  
instructions? Does anyone know about how long it will take to
replace the bad logic chip?

Thanks
Bill
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: pdn@fc.hp.com (Paul Nuber)
Subject: Lighting Technique (Questions On)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:27:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]


The roll of paper is normally hung near the ceiling and goes down the wall,
curves out at the floor, and extends towards the camera.  There is no sharp
corner.

Paul Nuber
pdn@fc.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Can I rinse a slide in water without risk of damage?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:04:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: your service

> Personally, I'm not in the habit of spitting on my slides... ;-)

----------

With reference to spitting on things, here's what I do in a pinch:

If I HAVE to blow on something with my mouth, I get the airflow
going first, and then aim it at the object.  This way, any spit
will fly (hopefully) before the object is in firing range.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:16:55 EDT
From: <JSN3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: T-Max developing (again)...

I've just gotten back into the darkroom again in the past few months after
a number of years.  I was an old Tri-X fan but I decided to give T-Max 400
a try.  I've probably developed about 10 rolls of 120 so far but I'm not sure
I've gotten the most from my film yet.  My developing technique is very
consistent but I don't know if perhaps I'm over-agitating.  I was taught back
in college days to agitate for the first 30 seconds and and for 5 seconds every
30 seconds thereafter.  I use stainless steel and don't have any problems.  I
suppose you could describe my negatives as a bit on the "beefy" side but that
is how I like them.  (Who needs anorexic negs?)

The bottom line is my tones seem somewhat blocked.  I should probably do some
Tri-X and T-Max side by side comparisons but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
(Life keeps interfering...)

I noticed someone on the net said they used a water bath.  Does anyone have any
 other suggestions?  BTW, I suppose it would help you to know I've been using
T-Max developer (expensive stuff) and the suggested time.  Has anyone tried
the photographer's formulary version of T-Max developer?  I haven't ordered
from them yet but I just got my copy of the Book of Pyro (another project) and
I will be soon.  Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Canon EOS User Group/Magazine ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:12:46 GMT

In article <37560012@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, martinh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Martin Harris) writes:
>>I was wandering : is there a user group or a magazine for us EOS users ?
...
> Canon (UK) provide the "Canon Professional Services (CPS)" which includes a bi-
> monthly Newsletter. But they mainly provide a fast response/repair service for
> professional photographers. There are certain rules of membership, one of which
> is having 2 or more high end Canon bodies, and registering all your Canon 
> equipment with them.

Rob Groom has said that in OZ it's one EOS-1 and 3 L lenses.

The idea of a "Club EOS-1" mailing list has been in my mail file for a few weeks,
though I like the idea, I have the problem of no external mail sending... :-{
PS, If it happens, add my name please, I can recieve, just not reply.
This idea could be extended perhaps to include RT, 620, 630 and 10 owners at
least, but I don't see why others should be excluded. In fact, an aquaintance
of mine has a Rebel II/1000 and is saving up for a 300 f4 L. This is not 'snap-
shot' type stuff. The 1000 is to put $$$s into the lens.

I think there may be many people who would be interested in a 'heavy-duty' tech
oriented group, not just for Canon, but across the board. Many of us post from
uni's etc that must have dozens of photo-techs on staff, but we never see them
here, and they like-wise don't have the info or people on tap to make their
life smoother. could we add a 'Sci.photo' type tone to the group? Maybe float
a CFD for sci.photo and divert the interest to rec.photo!! Or rec.photo.hi-end.

~Paul

From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:19:13 GMT
Subject: Re: George Eastman's musical descendant
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

> Does anyone know the name of a direct descendant of George Eastman who is a
> MAJOR rock and roll star?

No, but Linda Eastman (a.k.a. Mrs. Paul McCartney) is a descendant.

From: johnson@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Cole Johnson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:56:39 GMT
Subject: Would you use 35mm or 2 1/4?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.photo

I'm going to Albuquerque to photgraph the balloon festival and 
want some opinions.  Should/Would I/you take a couple 35mm bodies
and a wide variety of lenses or a Hassy Superwide + 500 C/M with
a 50,80&150???  The 35mm is a lot faster but the 2 1/4 is a lot
slower but that big neg sure is nice.  I'm not strong enough to
take both.  I can rent the superwide for $20/day or $60/week. Is
is really worth it vs the 50mm?

Please e-mail me promptly...... I leave thursday.

Cole
Newsgroups: rec.photo