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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:18:48 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <thaaang.725270129@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>>
>>>>foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>>>
>>>>> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:
>>>>> >				Guisseppe Verdi
>>>>> 				^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>>> Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!
>>>
>>>>Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!
>>>
>>>Morte, morte.  Addio (ancora)!

>>Il piangere non vale.

>O cessate di piagarmi.

Awww...L'Italiana in Algieri, La Cerentola, and a big La Gazza Ladra
to you, too.  :-)

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:35:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.223325.23080@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>I can't recommend this film highly enough.  It's a
>political-romantic thriller, and that's all I want to tell
>you about it.  Try not to read any reviews or listen to
>comments about the movie, just run out and see it for
>yourselves.  The director is Neil Jordan, who also made "The
>Miracle," "High Spirits," "Mona Lisa," and "The Company of Wolves."

It's well worth seeing, if a bit schematic.  I'd second Rod's recommendation
to put off seeing reviews of any kind beforehand; best to be surprised where
there are surprises.

The actors who played the soldier and his girlfriend were in a bizarre
British film a few years ago which involved cannibalism at a fancy restaurant
a la Sweeney Todd; "Eat the Rich", if my memory serves me.  All during the
movie I was _sure_ I'd seen her before somewhere, and it only popped into
my head afterwards.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:18:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> I'd be happy if partnership benefits were extended to all couples
> without reference to their marital status.  Health insurance is the
> big issue, of course.  We're talking about $2500 or more per year
> for private individual insurance; this is a big chunk of change.

Has anyone put together a way to for companies to code this, that 
would provide coverage for 'couples', without leaving them open 
to roomates or just anyone a person wants to put on the insurance? 
I may be ill-informed (please, let's not all snicker at once..:-)
about it, but I was under the impression homosexual marriages were'nt 
'legal'.  If they were, then this issue would be a lot easier to 
deal with. 

> >When I was single, I didn't have a problem with married 
> >people at my same level getting paid more; I figured they 
> >needed it, as they had more responsibilities to take care 
> >of.  I don't know that this is really an EE issue. 
> 
> I was always under the impression that this was illegal, if carried
> out in any systematic way.  It is common policy in Europe, I'm told,
> but I didn't think it was in the US.  Am I naive?

Maybe...I was told (when I worked for a different employer) by my 
manager (who I got along with very well) that this was why the 
married people I worked with made more than I did.
I think that's the kind of thing companies might do because they 
see it as good business practice, and it's basically impossible 
to hit with legalities. 

Walter
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Book Review
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:57:58 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com
Keywords: It's about time


It has been a while since my last book report.  However,
since I have some time, I thought I would tell people about
the book I am currently reading.

_Epidemics In The Modern World_ by Joann P. Krieg
ISBN 0-8057-8852-2

I'll admit that I am a fool for books concerning plagues, so this
one immediately caught my eye with a picture of the NY police force
wearing hospital masks in ranks.  I picked it up and paged through,
and was hooked.  This book covers epidemics in America.  It discusses
the views of american society on illness.  However, its primary focus
is the representation of epidemics in america in the arts.

If you look at european society, there are many fascinating literary
accounts of plague, from Thucydides and the plagues in greece to
Albert Camus, in _The Plague_.  However, there is a distinct lack of 
representation of illness in american art and literature.  It makes
it seem as if there have been no epidemics in america, which is plainly
untrue (influeza killed 600,000 americans during WWI).  However, with
the american myth of a healthier happier world in america, this side of
our existance has been underrepresented.  

This book starts with smallpox in 1721 and continues up to the present
with the AIDS pandemic.  The author shows how epidemics have been
associated, in the american psyche, with disenfranchised classes of
people who are somehow at fault for their illnesses.  The final chapter
is a fascinating look at how the gay community has changed this, making
the pandemic the focus of much artistic scrutiny.

This book provides a fascinating look at how america views epidemics, rather
than a clinical look at the epidemics themselves.  The focus is truly 
fascinating from both an artistic and a epidemiological perspective.
I recommend it highly.

Jeff
-FWA
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:16:01 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Dec21.131707.17459@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
>>It's a little too obscure for me at this point.  I've been looking for 
>>something obvious, like one which says "Queer" or "Faggot."  
>
>How about a mug that was probably inteneded for use by a
>single straight female?  

Roger... I had forgotten about my DICK [someone's name] mug.  I
actually used it for a few weeks at my last job.  At least it wasn't
like the pins that I have which say "I LOVE DICK" [someone's name].  I
got the joke from a friend in k'zoo who was telling me of the time
that he and his roommate were wearing the pins when the roommate's
parents dropped in... the parents did not know their son was gay and
so wondered why on earth he was wearing the pins... oops! :)

Tom

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re:
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:40:27 GMT

In article <1hvbp0INN7s0@hp-col.col.hp.com>
smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>> I'm not sure, but I think the management of "Cracker Barrel"
>> could answer your question.

>Yeah, there are going to be some idiots.  (come on, come on, 
>quite giggling..)   But do 'normal' companies do this? 
>A few people have mentioned some other examples, one was 
>here at HP, and one was at some hospital.  Can anyone give 
>more details on this?  Please save the flames that I'm denying
>it exists; it doesn't help anyone understand...

I'm unclear what it is you're trying to establish, Walter.
Clearly, employment (and other) discrimination because of
homophobia exists; you're apparently not disputing that.
When you ask for more detail, I wonder why?  Is it your
intention to argue that "a few" such cases are somehow not
worth making a fuss about, that homophobia isn't "all that
bad," or what?

-- 
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From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:02:34 GMT

I went for my first real *corporate* job interview today.  Very Scary.  
Also, a test drive of the new resume.

I thought things were going o.k. when she said, "oh, you sing?"  (The 
last line on my resume is "Sing with the Seattle Lesbian and Gay
Chorus")  "I have a couple of friends in the (gay) men's chorus..."

The best news of all is, I GOT IT!  (yeah, it's only an internship, but
it's better than anyjob I've ever had!!  6 months at Microsoft!!)

(Does anyone have Frank or george's e-mail address?)

YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!
-- 
 * Sandy *   "I'll believe Avon treated men and women equally the day I see
       	     him kiss a man, tell him he's beautiful when he's angry, kill
     	     him and then gloat over it."    Sue Clerc <sclerc@andy.bgsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Cretin Visitors (was Re: Private antidiscrimination)
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:19:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.211331.20334@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:

	[ truth ]
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"The Cramers and the Smiths,
mls@panix.com		 let them be the warning bells.
			 They tell us when we're
			 cutting our own throats." -- Jess Anderson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:16:45 GMT

In article <1hoi7rINN2br@shelley.u.washington.edu> rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra) writes:
>Without Dworkin, is it possible that women like Daly and Griffin would
>be too 'radical' to be seriously listened to?

Sorry, but in my experience among the nonfeminists, both
*are* considered too radical to be taken seriously.  I
think that what we're really seeing is that while misogyny
is a problem that should be addressed in due time but isn't
something to get overly exercised about, man-hating is a
heinous crime of major proportions that must be decried
loudly and publicly whenever we see even a hint of it.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Organization: Jenny Agutter Fan Club
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:14:40 +0000

In article <1992Dec30.223325.23080@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>I can't recommend this film highly enough.  It's a
>political-romantic thriller, and that's all I want to tell
>you about it. 

Fabulous, isn't it? At least one person walked out when Barry and I went
to see it. Two others changed seats, but I think that was just because
we started kissing :-)


Nigel.
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From: jeff@sporty.col.oh.us (Jeff Anderson)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: J.A. Anderson & Company, Columbus, OH US
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:37:11 GMT

In article <13723@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>The average homosexual: he doesn't like what you say, so he threatens
>you with violence.

Hmmm.  In my experience, there are plenty of heterosexuals who threaten
us with violence because they don't like what we are saying.

In the 4-5 years I have been on the net, your postings have become more
predictable than reruns of Hogans Heros.

>C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.

I agree!!!!!  Everyone should have a 3270 terminal on their desk and use
TSO, JCL and COBOL on an IBM 370.

Have a good day!
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:36:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec18.192455.18616@mcs.anl.gov> <72009@cup.portal.com>
  <75792@apple.apple.COM>

a flying squirrel scrivens on e-acorns:
>Furr:
>>[I would love to find a danceclub DJ with the balls to mix
>>from Molly Hatchet to Madonna to ZZ to Animotion to RTZ, or
>>the like.... Chances of finding such a person/place? 0%.]
>
>Bzzzzzzt.  Shoulda visited Club Uranus more often (when it still
>existed).  I danced to "Back in Black" and "Whole Lotta Love" there,
>as well as "Fame".

The occasional "unusual" song isn't what I'm after. I'm talking
about entirely avoiding the "dance music" genre, and sticking
with rock 'n roll and "power pop" (which I how I classify
Madonna, Berlin, and some others).  There was a very interesting
article in the B.A.R. sometime back about "why won't gay DJ's
play rock" -- even when they see the floor fill up when they 
do, and empty when they go back to whatever vapid dreck they
usually play.

Of course, I imagine that being exposed to something like Little
Caesar in a dance club would cause some people to simply expire
on the spot.

>Come to think of it, you would have had quite a drive home afterwards,
>George.  ;i

Something like the one I just completed after attending the 
Rainbows M.C.'s Xmas party.   ;-{)##]
 
() Ours is a world where people don't know what they want and
() are willing to go through hell to get it.
()      -- Don Marquis
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From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: GLAAD: Banana Republic's gay-positive advertising
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:33:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



GOING BANANAS

Banana Republic not only placed ads in _Out_ magazine, but an ad
for the hip clothing chain in _Vanity Fair_ featured photographer
Bruce Weber's layout of a male couple (labeled 'free souls') with
one model caressing the other's chest.

Next, a Banana Republic spread in _Harper's Bazaar_ featured on
one page a male couple and on the opposite page a female couple
embracing.

Whew! Send thanks to:

        Richard McNally
        Executive Vice President
        Banana Republic
        1 Harrison Street
        San Francisco, CA 94105
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:07:38 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:

  >> So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
  >> queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"
 >Tuna medley?  [come on all you Meg&Cris fans]

 >How bout yourself dipped in honey?  Or do you have to 
 >be lesbian for that to work?


Heck, no.  You don't even have to be female.
Maple syrup, chocolate sauce and various sweet liqueurs
(ahem; one at a time) are also nice.  It helps if you have
your own washing machine.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:57:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec31.010926.5832@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
Solovay) wrote:

> "Totalitarian queens"? That's "tinkerbells", honey. It loses all
> the flash when you drop the alliteration.

I thought I would give the well-worn words a west.

*X*
(swimming keeps me swenda, too)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wot! Language again?
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:51:50 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Jojo:
> Mecca (mek-ahhhhh): if anyone has ever been to Saudi Arabia (I have)
> and passed people on their way to Mecca for the Haj (I have: and
> furthermore, it is also Medina, and other holy sites) they could
> understand that I can't imagine a stranger conjunction than a place of
> ritualized public holy self-deprivation and silly-ceremoniousness
> culminating in mass circulation around a curtain-draped cube being
> compared to, say, Amsterdam friday night on the Warmoesstraat.

But Jojo, couldn't you see the basement of the Argos as the backdrop for
ritualized (semi)public holy (ok, we're stretching the term here) self-
deprivation (and perhaps flagellation) and ceremonious, mass circulation
around a bathtub with shower curtains removed, said circulators releasing
various body fluids onto the dimly-lit sole inhabitant of said bathtub?

Bill, silly around Christmas
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:01:00 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec30.223325.23080@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

> I can't recommend this film highly enough. 

You're the second person I've heard this from.

> ...  The director is Neil Jordan, who also made "The
> Miracle," "High Spirits," "Mona Lisa," and "The Company of
> Wolves."

What?!  No mention that it stars the *brilliant* 
Miranda Richardson?

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:40:20 GMT

In article <1h98sfINNsak@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.030119.6074@netcom.com> 
>foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>> In article <1h8i7iINN6je@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
>> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:
>> >				Guisseppe Verdi
>> 				^^^^^^^^^

>> Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!

>Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!

Morte, morte.  Addio (ancora)!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1htdr4INN8sj@hp-col.col.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:47:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1htdr4INN8sj@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

   When I was single, I didn't have a problem with married 
   people at my same level getting paid more; I figured they 
   needed it, as they had more responsibilities to take care 
   of.  I don't know that this is really an EE issue. 

Of course, some of us are legally single, but morally married.  Yet we
do not get the benefits of married couples.

   Yeah, I have a neighbor who tore up and threw away his Levi's 
   because Levi's contributes to the Boy Scouts....seems pretty 
   silly to me.  It's like he only notices the bad about the 
   Boy Scouts, and that totally obliterates the good.  Again, 
   I don't see contributing to a group that makes a positive 
   contribution to society is anti-EE; its just not fanatical. 

You're neighbor should look into the facts a little more.  Levi's only
contributes to Boy Scout troops that pledge not to follow the national
order to discriminate.

   A common problem, one that seems to be slowly getting better. 
   This also illustrates why companies are more and more concerned 
   with having correct quotas...

If true (and few things said about quotas are true), then this is
unfortunate.  Education would be much more effective.
--

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:46:56 GMT

Capitalize them. When people use one of the short titles, they know
exactly what they're talking about (as do their listeners), right?
So it's like an alternative title. That's my take on it, anyway.

--
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      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Xref: sparky soc.motss:54278 soc.bi:17391
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: QW Magazine: Still in business?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:48:49 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1hpvkeINNq3k@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>Yes, I do... We got our resubscription check back in the mail with a letter
>which stated that due to financial difficulties associated with the 
>death of their publisher QW will no longer be published.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[ insert very swear in your dictionary ]

How come my favorite magazines always go out of business?

Tom
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/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
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