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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Mravinsky on Erato
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.195347.9867@leland.Stanford.EDU> aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Dunbar Aldrich-Moodie) writes:
>I think Mravinsky's performance of the Eighth Symphony on Phillips is about
>the best performance of Shostakovich around.

I liked it.

>Has anyone heard the recordings
>recently released on Erato of Mravinsky playing DSCH.  Raves?  Warnings?,...

Back in the 70s I bought the Angel/Melodiya recording of Mravinsky conducting
the Twelfth (I happen to enjoy the 12th because my first exposure to it was
when I viewed the 1967 re-release of Eisenstein's _October_ with a score
drawn from works of guess-who).  Anyway, that old LP has become worn, and
I've been looking for a replacement on CD.  Recently I found the Erato
recording to which you allude (2292-45794-2).  The only similarities are
the name of the work, the name of the conductor, and the name of the orchestra
(Leningrad Philharmonic, probably renamed now).  The performance is inferior
to that on the older LP.  It was recorded live on April 30, 1984, which seems
to have been the height of the flu season from the evidence of coughing.

Don't be tempted to the low price.  Avoid this one.

-- Herb Huston
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Rothchild's violin
From: bstjohn@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:35:39 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

I would love to find a recording of Rothdhild's Violin. Is it possible to get
it domestically? If not i would be grateful if you would tape it for me! PLEASE
POST!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Dunbar Aldrich-Moodie)
Subject: Re: Mravinsky on Erato
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.101931.18820@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.195347.9867@leland.Stanford.EDU> aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Dunbar Aldrich-Moodie) writes:

>>Has anyone heard the recordings
>>recently released on Erato of Mravinsky playing DSCH.  Raves?  Warnings?,...

>Don't be tempted to the low price.  Avoid this one.
>
>-- Herb Huston
>
Actually, I heard the recording of Mravinsky's fifth symphony on the radio
yesterday as part of a "new releases" hour, so I figured that I'd add my
own answer to my own question in case anyone is interested.  The orchestra
seems to have been out of practice when this live recording was made.  
Ensemble and intonation are truly in need of some strong discipline, so that
Mravinsky's performance seems to be more of an attempt alternately to coax,
bully, and extract some measure of music from his orchestra.  As Herb 
noted, these live performances seem to be plagued by noisy coughers and
snifflers, so don't expect first rate studio sound either.

That having been said, the first movement was atrocious, the second intriguing,
the third stunningly passionate and intense, and the fourth scattered.  If
you have oodles of money to throw at your record collection, it is maybe 
worth getting this [mid-price] CD just for Mravinsky's ability to play DSCH
more intensely than just about anyone else -- and here the orchestra is up
to his abilities.  Otherwise, give it a skip.

Incidentally, my brother just returned from a stay in Russia, and he brought
with him a recording on Melodiya of Mravinsky conducting the 15th 
symphony.  Is that performance available on CD yet?

He also brought home a recording of V. Fleischman's "Rothschild's Fiddle", 
based on the story by Chekhov.  Apparently he was DSCH's star pupil, and 
Dmitri finished the orchestration of this opera after his protege died in 
WWII.  Rumour has it that he did more than orchestrate.....  The opera 
itself is no "Lady Macbeth", but it's pretty good.

--James
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush the blowhard
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:54:59 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 17971@news2.cis.umn.edu, stecher@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Jack Stecher) writes:
>Uggh.  Did everyone hear, toward the end of the second hour
>of today's show, Rush proclaim that one ought pay no heed to
>Nobel prize winning economists because "John Kenneth Galbraith
>is a Nobel prize winning economist, and he doesn't know [anything]?"
>Ignore the obvious fallacy with the syllogism.
>Just how did Rush determine that Galbraith, whose writings are
>all on popular economics rather than on scholarly research,
>won the Nobel? 

Easy.  He used a few old conservative tricks.  First, he had his
fingers crossed.  Second, he made it up along the way. :-)

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From: shapiro@trade.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Rush's book
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 11 SEP 92 23:16:37 EST

Anecdote:

A brand new Barnes & Noble superstore (they're a book retailer for those of you
who don't have any in your area) opened this morning. While their official
grand opening is still several weeks away, and there was no notice of their
being open except for a 'now open' sign posted on the side of the building.

Well, around noon I arrived and asked them about Rush's book. They said that
their shipment still hadn't arrived, and that I was the 5th person today to ask
about it. They took my name and number and promised to call me as soon as it
arrived. They were all quite polite and professional about it. While they were
familiar with the name and title, it was only (apparently) because of the 4
people earlier in the day.

While I was there, I figured to make it a 'balanced' purchase, so I got a copy
of Al Gore's book (now in the 30% off pile) and a copy of Ross Perot's 'book'
(seems to me more like a pamphlet. the massachusetts drivers handbook is
thicker). 

Anyway, I still haven't read them, but will do so shortly.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: the Infernal Revenue Service
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Distribution: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:07:12 GMT

Wanta hear something that will frost you? People in this group are always
bitching about the issue of taxes and all, I thought you would appreciate
this one, straight from today's AlbuTurkey Journal.

It seems an 81 year old businesswoman, Edith Bodwell, owner of Motorsport,
Inc. in Albuquerque has incurred a penalty from the IRS of $109.88 for
paying her payroll taxes too early.

Local IRS spokesperson Laura Criel was quoted as saying, "We're not saying
she was trying to avoid anything. It's just that the timeliness of the
payments are required by law."

Here is part of the AJ account:

'Bodwell said she makes a payroll tax deposit at the end of each month to
clear her books for the new month.

The new law, however, requires her to hold onto her deposit until they
reach at least $3,000, or when she reaches the end of a quarter, whichever
comes first. She then has three banking days to file the payroll taxes.

The problem arose when Bodwell's business had three payrolls in May. When
the month's first two payrolls exceeded $3,000 she paid them within the
three days. But when a third payroll of $2,056.93 came at the end of the
month, she paid that immediately to clear her books for the month.

The IRS said she should have carried that over to the first payroll of
June and - when the combined amount exceeded $3,000 - then deposited her
payroll taxes within three banking days.

Since Bodwell's first payroll in June did not reach $3,000 by itself, she
waited until the month's second payroll before depositing the taxes."

There you have it folks. The Government agency your taxes pay for,
harrassing a small business owner.

I say the IRS has no business coming up with laws requiring people
to "hold" owed taxes in this manner anyway. If they are going to collect
taxes, then they ought to be able to accept the taxes as they are paid -
on time. 

What I can't figure out, though, is how something like this happens, even
with a Republican president! (Go ahead, tell me how much worse it will get
with President Clinton..)

L.
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From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger.  YUP!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<ART.92Sep9134545@world.std.com> <nate.547@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:01:22 GMT

In article <nate.547@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:

   art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
   >mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
[...]
   >   Actually he did work for a few years in the private sector as an attorney,
   >   I believe a partner with his wife.  The work he did was less than extraordinary.

   >You are able to judge the quality of his legal work?  Or are you just
   >blowing more gas?  Get a reference to his work.

       Regardless of the quality of Quayle's legal work, Al, would you say 
   that Mitch has addressed Steve Tyree's original statement that Quayle has 
   "worked hard his entire life in the private sector"? 

I was not addressing the issue of Quayle's time in the private sector.
The original poster stated unequivocally that Quayle's legal work was
less than extraordinary.  Another sure statement of incompetence without
a shred of supporting evidence.  Just state it and it'll become true.

I don't know if Quayle was a good lawyer or a bad one, but if you listen
to Ted Kennedy you'll come off with the idea that he was a pretty damned
good Senator.   Kennedy actually said that.

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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: TV Times for southern California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:03:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

The new TV guide lists Rush's show as being on the following times and 
channels:

12 midnight, channel 29 KMPH Visalia
12:30 am, channel 12 KCOY Santa Maria
1:00 am, channel 13 KCOP Los Angeles

Looks like it's time to finally figure out how to program the old VCR!
-- 
John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
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From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Bush Campaign TV Ad
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:41:09 CDT

In article <1992Sep11.180841.1753@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>In article <BD.92Sep11075850@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>[other people wrote some inane drivel]
>>
>>There is a lot of misunderstanding in the poublic mind about the
>>house banking scandal.  In this post I do not mean to defend
>>the actions of the House (which I think are reprehensible) but
>>merely to try to inject some facts into the discussion.
>>
>>No-one in the House bank wrote "bad checks".
>[stuff deleted to save space]

>Rush is obviously a bright fella...  what I can't understand is;
>
>1)  how can a bright fella like Rush not see the simple truth of this  OR
>2)  is he purposefully twisting facts for political gain
>
>If he values truth less than political gain,  then how can any of us
>ever trust him (or what he stands for)?   And why do people fall for it?

Rush DOES see the truth in this. I remember him responding to a caller last
winter that the reason he is pressing so hard on this is that he finally
latched onto an issue where he can "get" congress.

No doubt about it, Rush is purposefully twisting facts for political gain.

But for some reason, that doesn't make me not "ever trust him or what he
stands for". If a person is 90% correct but is prone to some exaggeration
and/or twisting facts to put a "spin" on something, does that mean you have
to discard his whole philosophy?

Furthermore, what Rush usually focuses on in the house banking scandal is
the callous attitude -- that all the expenses were paid for the taxpayers.
If the depositor doesn't have to pay for adminstration of the bank with the
"float" of his money, then that float can be used by other depositors
writing bad checks.

  - Tom A.
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From: kja2192@tamsun.tamu.edu (Kevin Alexander)
Subject: Re: Rush's TV Show
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.060038.24574@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>...  I really do not think it is going to succeed as-is.  

I totally agree

>Finally, nuke the audience.  

I agree here too.  Although I _love_ Rush's radio show, I was somewhat 
disappointed with his show.  The audience was very annoying and Rush
has some fine tuning to do on his television appearance. For some 
reason I cannot look at him and take him anywhere near as serious as I
do listening to him on the radio.  I suppose he does do all of those
mannerisms while broadcasting at EIB headquarters, but they kinda make
him look plain goofy just watching him (ie the slaps he gave himself
for poking fun at Arkansas-ans).

I also agree with another poster (sorry I cannot credit the person for
the idea, but you know who you are) that Rush's set should be changed 
with him at his radio room-less the audience.

Did you people notice the credits? "Cameras: So-and-So, pro-life 
feminist" and the like...funny.

I hope this show succeeds, but at a more pleasant time (1:30am).

---
Kevin Alexander
Texas A&M University




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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: At last, a conservative comic strip!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 18:43:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep9.094108.690@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>> would like. Last week Wiley was sitting by a tree writing a poem about
>> how when the Supreme Court Justices find themselves in Heaven trying 
>> to explain their rulings against prayer and such they'd look in the 
>> Constitution and find nothing there to support them.
>
>I guess it takes someone that can't find the first amendment to
>truly appreciate the humor.

I can not only find it, I've got it online.

 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
 religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
 the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
 people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for
 a redress of grievances.

I thought that BC strip was a hoot.  I guess its humor is beyond those
people who can't comprehend the words "free exercise".

-- 
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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: At last, a conservative comic strip!
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:18:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.

In article <g9sn+7q.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>In article <BuC4wA.Gqo.2@cs.cmu.edu> msm@mse.cmu.edu
    (Mark S McWhinney) writes:
>>Good old Dan heard this and just couldn't help but rush in to say
>>something stupid too. He said that they weren't Patriot missiles, they
>>were cruise missiles. (The correct answer is smart bombs.)
>
>What the heck do you think cruise missiles are? "Smart bombs" are 
>a group that is comprised of many different types of weapons, from 
>gravity bombs that glide to rocket-propelled missiles. One of the 
>main selling points of the cruise missile back in the late 70s
>was the promise that not only would it hit the target, but you 
>could tell it which window to go through. The reality has lived
>up to this 70s promise.

If I remember, the Tomahawk cruise missiles performance was less
than exemplary in the Gulf War.  The missiles themselves performed
well, but they were fed faulty navigational data.  Soon after the
air war started, the military stopped using them, because they were
too expensive for the job ($1.2 million per missile).  Of course with
total air superiority, who needs cruise missiles?

Bill Clinton's knowledge of military weapons is probably on a par with
most Americans (i.e. next to nothing).  I didn't know a Tomahawk from
a Harpoon from a Stinger until I worked in the defense industry.
Of course that was over a year ago, so the knowledge is getting fuzzy.

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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: A Confession: I Run The Liberal Conspriracy
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:25:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <LARRY.92Sep9195938@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
>I wonder who calls the shots on this liberal media conspiracy anyway, to
>decide when to poke the New Right in the eye or not, on any particular day.

I do. I admit, I've been pulling the strings of Rather, Brokaw, Jennings
et al for almost eleven years now. I just got off the phone with Dan -
told him to be especially sure to make George Bush's economic agenda
look bad, with additional emphasis on health care.

Yesterday, I told Pete (Peter
sounds so formal, considering he's a pawn) to squash a new story on
Clinton's draft record. It wasn't that bad, really, but we can't let
anything get out that makes Billy look bad. 

Tomorrow, the coverage will be a lot easier on Bush - I'm taking the
day off to attend a special meeting of the Grand Liberal Conspiracy
in Havana. We normally meet about once a year, but, until the election,
the meetings are every third Friday - gotta make sure Billy wins
this time. But just wait - come 2000, you're getting a Ted Kennedy -
Jesse Jackson ticket. They're already in training...
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with an incredible number of bits.
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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger.  YUP!
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 10232@dbsun.uucp, hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
>In article <LARRY.92Sep9091330@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>
>    larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
>>The mention of Hanoi Jane reminds me of a bumper sticker we saw:
>>	Nuclear power plants are built better than Jane Fonda.
>>Slapped on the same bumper, right below it, was another:
>>	But which would you rather spend the night with?
>>Actually, the real difference between Jane Fonda and Dan Quayle is about
>>100 IQ points.
>But who's IQ is higher?

In terms of absolute values, that's a tough one.  I'm not sure what the
absolute value of Quayl's negative IQ would be at this point.

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