HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: ST for sale
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:30:29 GMT
Reply-To: cabell_nick@tandem.com (Nick Cabell)
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.; Austin TX
Originator: dunham@stud

This looked like too good a deal to not pass along.  Nick can be reached at 
cabell_nick@tandem.com.  Please don't reply to me since I don't have the
machine.

--Jerry

From DUNHAM_JERRY@austin Wed Sep  2 09:45 CDT 1992
Return-Path: <DUNHAM_JERRY@austin.mpd.tandem.com>
Subject: Atari computer for sale - cut rate

------------   ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT   --------
SENT 09-01-92 FROM CABELL_NICK @MAILMN

Second call.  I'm turning the parts into a local dealer for $100.  If you want
to better that, call/reply before end of day Thursday 9/3.
Included:
-Atari 520 ST computer w/mouse
-Atari color monitor
-2 single-sided external drives
-Star SG-10 Dot matrix printer
-Software: Flight Simulator, children's games, Superbase, and more
System is works fine, but you must take the whole deal "as is".

-- 
Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer)
Subject: Re: Games on my STe
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:21:43 GMT

doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet) writes:
> How about a thread "The best games in atari.archive/atari/games" ?
ok.


Esprit and Oxyd are extremely good games.


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From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:29:23 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <95283@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>I just uploaded my PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 to terminator.cc.umich.edu in the
>/atari/new directory. It is a few minor bug fixes to the old 1.0
>program, recompiled with GFA 3.5E. It's a self-extracting archive made
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

we thank you for sharing your work. however, to get widest distribution,
please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.

thanx again...

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com

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From: d91-jsn@ludd.luth.se (Joachim Str|mbergson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: The REAL Falcon specs wanted!
Keywords: Falcon specs.
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:38:40 GMT
Organization: Lule} H|gskolas datorf|rening ( Ludd )


Aloha! I'm quite interested in the new Falcon, but I NEED to
get the real specs, not just the rumours. If anyone could help me out,
I would surely appreciate it!

The things I want to know is:

Processor: Which 68030 version
Busses: 32 bit in the machine or fucked down like the AMIGA 3000,
 bandwith and so on...
DSP: speed and everything.
The blitter: any changes (32 bit and so on...)
The sound chip: Same as above
Graphics modes: I've heard quite alot of garbage and rumours. If anyone could write down the real modes... Is it true about all those interlace modes???
 (Thats REALLY bad!)
OP system: I haven't used an atari before, but I heared soemthing about a
UNIX clone. Even if it's not true, is it using the full 32 bit possibilities
Ports:MIDI and so on.
Casings: is it still the same casing as the ST(e)???

That was all the questions I had. The more specific, the better..
Thanks!

D91-JSN @ mother.ludd.se
Or in plain  text:
Joachim Stroembergson
From: Dirk_Steins@k2.maus.de (Dirk Steins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Resolution, Audio S
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K2.A46108
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

paetau@mits.mdata.fi writes:

p>If you are using a VGA or a MultiSync, it will not be interlaced. Is
p>that right??

That's right.

p> Or does Falcon use interlace even with a Multisync or a VGA?
No.

Dirk
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: 16 MHz / Overscan questions
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:57:58 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

I might have asked this on news earlier but I never got
a reply. When I tried to buy an overscan for my 1040STE
they told me that was not possible. Is there really no
way to get an autoswitch-overscan or pixelwonder sort of
thing installed on an STE?

-- 
________________________________________________________
    Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
   7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ramaer@cs.utwente.nl (Mark Ramaer)
Subject: Re: C compiler questions.
Keywords: link,sozobon
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:13:06 GMT

In article <morrison.715326070@ee.ualberta.ca>, morrison@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Morrison) writes:
...
|> Sozobon does not appear to have any provisions for linking in the libraries,
|> so I have been using this technique:
|> 
|> > cc prog.c aesfast.a vdifast.a -o prog.prg -v
|> 
...
Rename your libraries to libvdi.a and libaes.a and you
can link them with "-lvdi -laes" .  Cc also adds the $LIB
path for you.
You can save more keystrokes if you use ar to unpack both
aes and vdi into a fresh directory and then create one big
library libgem.a .  However, linking will be slower if you
need only one of them.

Mark
From: gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Geoffrey Spear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ding dong.. who's there ? Dr who..
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceaidQy00aw_087UUQ
	<9987@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	Unfortunately, I can see why new users would avoid Atari.  I don't know
how things are in Australia, but in the U.S., at least, Atari doesn't
advertise.  If I wasn't involed with BBS's run by Atari users who all
told me how great the machines were, I probably wouldn't have gotten one
myself.  It would've been a BIG mistake, but one a lot of people are
likely to make until Atari starts advertising!
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon DSP -> standard modem & fax?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:04:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


Just how programmable will the dsp chip in the new Falcon be? For
instance, could one program it to emulate a standard modem? How fast
would it be able to run? How about using the Falcon as a midi sampler?
What polyphony would such a beast have? Perhaps a vocodor? It would seem
that somebody who was a bit clever could even make the Falcon into a
Yamaha DX-7, or even a more complicated machine, using MIDI as the key
input. Could the dsp chip possibly be used for added processing power if
you are using non-dsp programs? Any chance C-Lab's Notator will be
taking advantage of the new falcon hardware in the near future? When
they say "8 channel digital recording" Do they literally mean like an
alesis adat machine? Will future programs be able to do digital cut and
paste on one of those tracks independantly? How large a disk drive would
one need for say 1 minute of 8 track recording? Would it be possible to
do such recording directly to a tape backup drive? Can the Falcon start
up an old car on a frosty morning? :)

Lots of questions here...feel free to answer just a few!

-Steve <selick@csa.bu.edu>
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:36:11 GMT

hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>
>I guess everyone knows that the GEM interface has gone '3-D', i.e 3D borders
>on windows and 3D buttons just like Windows. 

  That's a new one to me.  I was wondering when Atari would finally
update the "look" of the interface to make GEM more modern looking.
  So is this 3D thing a part of TOS 2.07 and 3.07 or is it a part of
Multi-TOS or did it happen before this and I just missed it? 

--
Joachim Vance
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
     I am antisesquipedalian--Opposed to the use of long words.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Beta Testers Wanted (MT32)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:29:07 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: Roland,MT-32,Patch Editor,Test

I'm about to distribute a shareware MT-32 editor, but I'd
like at least two or three people two have a look at it
before I'll put it on the news. Anybody interested?
-- 
________________________________________________________
    Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
   7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon's 8 channel audio out
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:07:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <kyNiqB6w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>As it stands now, the Falcon is said to virtually mix down 8 channels of
>pannable, eq'able, what-everable sound to 2 main channels out the DSP.
>

Umm, are you sure that this isn't the ouput from the stereo audio out?  It's
a miniature stereo headphone plug (1/8" probably) and this would give you
the two main channels of "what-everable" sound.

>Will there be a mod or future Falcon that would have 4 DSP ports on the back
>for 8 discreet channels?

The DSP port can output whatever it wants to, the key here is that it's a
_digital_ port (most computer ports are :) and the output is completely
software controllable.  So, if you wanted to send all 8 channels through
the DSP output to an external box which could do a D/A conversion and/or
mixing, you could have 8-channel (or 4-channel stereo) sound output.  However,
this would require the extra hardware, i.e. some sort of interface to plug
into the DSP port (well, that IS what it's for right, to plug extra things
onto).  Anyone else wondering how we're going to plug 10 million interfaces
onto the DSP port?  Perhaps a DSP port switchbox could be a lucrative device
to make.  :-)

>
>When can I get one to test in the studio? <drool>
><X>orcist

The official word is limited supply by mid to late October, so talk to your
dealer a bit before then if you want to order one, I would imagine.

>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>   |       /         |\
>   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]

Cheers,

Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu
From: hiriart@SJ.ATE.SLB.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: gcc on ATARI
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:09:05 GMT


	   Hi, I'm Christian Hiriart from france, and i'm an
   happy user of GNU software at work on SUN (SParc-IPC)

	   At home I got an ATARI stf with 4Mbytes memory and 71Mbytes
	   hard disk.

   I guess that there is perhaps versions of GNU software (gcc, emacs)
   for non unix machines like ATARI ones.

	   Please can you tell me if there is some,
   and so where i can get it.

	   Best regards,

	   Gratefully C.Hiriart.

   PS: i wrote a small version on emacs on ATARI, 
   (whithout command line M-x), if you are interested, let me know.

NOTE:**** PLEASE REPLY BY MAIL, BECAUSE I'M NOT ON USENET ****
From: jvt@its.bt.co.uk (John Trickey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Timeworks DTP - New Fonts?
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:17:05 GMT
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <1992Aug26.201915.29917@cc.ic.ac.uk> r.evans@cc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.084006.29119@hasler.ascom.ch>, PAULETTI@biel.be.tech.ascom.ch (Pauletti Andreas) writes:
> -- In <1992Aug24.182153.28682@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> -- 
> -- > Can someone please tell me, is it possible to install
> -- >  new GDOS fonts into Timeworks DTP?
> -- > 
> -- > I've looked through the manual, and couldn't find it anywhere.
> -- > 
> -- 
> -- It is possible to install new GDOS fonts for Timeworks. Timeworks
> -- should show them in the font selection if they are installed auto-
> -- matically.
>
>If you install new fonts for TW, then I believe that you have to re-run
>'FONTWID.APP'. However, as I have never done it before, I cannot be sure.
>

No only that. You need to ensure the fonts appear in assign.sys in
ascending order of font ID :-( I have Timeworks book (forgot its proper
title)  from the ST Club. It includes a section on how to install new fonts.

John
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Double Klick Software Adresse wanted!!
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:31:50 GMT

tries@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Volker Tries) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>I'm lookin' for the Email adress of  double klick software, i.e., Mr. Vederman.
>I tried to send a mail to uace0@menudo.uh.edu but that acacount was expired.
>
>Waiting for  any help 
>
>Volker Tries
>
>TRIES@SERVER.PHYSIK.UNI-GIESSEN.DE
>TRIES@V3200A.EE.UNI-SB.DE
>TRIES@OBELIX.KPH.UNI-MAINZ.DE
>

I have heard that they have gone out of business. Anyone know if there is any
truth to this matter?

Sincerely,
Mark Kovarski
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu (gary anderson)
Subject: SHUTTLE by Virgin Games
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:10:39 GMT

Anybody out there have an opinion on this program?  I can't speak on
the missions yet, because it's got that maddening feature of insisting
you accomplish Mission A before you can graduate to Mission B, and it's
taken me two nights just to LAND the blasted thing in one piece.

I can say that the keyboard interface has a VERY slow response time --
sometimes you've got to mash a key for 4, 5, 6 seconds (!) before the
action takes effect.  Which is exciting when, for example, you're
trying to drop the landing gear as the runway rushes up at you at
350 mph!

Is this program going to get better as *I* get better, or is it
bad to begin with?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gordonf@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Farrell)
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:29:18 GMT

In article <1216@tekgen.bv.tek.com> boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Robert Luneski) writes:
>What follows is a message posted by Darek Mihocka to comp.sys.mac.misc,
>comp.sys.ibm.pc, and comp.sys.amiga.
>
>->- Darek
>
>->
>->/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
>->| Darek Mihocka, BraSoft, 14150 NE 20th St., Unit 302, Bellevue, WA 98007. |
>->| Creator of Gemulator, Quick ST, and Xformer. Views expressed are my own. |
>->\--------------------------------------------------------------------------/
>
>Thankyou very much Darek for promoting the ST in such a positive light to other
>computer owners.  Your sincere efforts to develop software that realizes the 
>full capabilities of the ST and to share your love and respect for the 
>machine with the world are greatly appreciated.  They are sure to result
>in a healthy growing ST community.
>
>Thank you,
>
>- Bob Luneski

Wait!  I've got it:

Darek slags Atari off in other computer groups, while at the same time
promoting HIS Atari ST (and Falcon) emulator.  Old and new Atari users abandon
Atari Corp. in favour of BraSoft's emulator.  Atari goes bankrupt do to zero
sales, while BraSoft flourishes.  Bingo!  Darek becomes defacto president of
defacto Atari (BraSoft)!

It all makes so much sense!  Why didn't I see it before?!


Seriously, what is Darek's problem?  Did someone at Atari Corp. do him wrong
some time ago, and he never got over it?  BTW, if Darek is going to make such
statements about Atari, why doesn't he have the guts to make them here?

Flames off...we not return you to your regular programming...
________________________________________________________________________________
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			|	gfarrell@cs.sfu.ca | it's a wonder your bums
Simon Fraser University |	gordonf@sfu.ca     | don't fall off."
Burnaby, B.C., Canada   |			   |	-Zaphod Beeblebrox
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 01:35:07 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ZOO/ZIP/ARC/LZH

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 1-Sep-92 ZOO/ZIP/ARC/LZH
Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix. (2562)

> The overall ratings - taking into consideration, the time taken, 
> and the relative compression gained within that time (the total 
> averages), are as follows:

>                                               Speed    Compression

> The winner:  ZIP (Default)                    1st      3rd
> #2        :  ZIP (Deflate)                    4th      1st
> #3        :  ZOO (Default)                    3rd      4th
> #4        :  ARC                              2nd      5th
> #5        :  LHarc                            5th      2nd=
> Last      :  ZOO (High compression method)    6th      2nd=


> Versions used:

> ST-ZIP v2
> LHarc v2.01L
> ARC v6.02
> ZOO v2.14

You can use different weighting for the importance of speed 
compared to size ! Of course, LHarc is the worse if time is important
as it always uses a slow but quite efficient algo.
If size is more important, on the other hand, it will be 2nd !

One thing is sure: ZIP is the best in this bechmark !

For the rest, you can interpret the result as you wish !
Personnally, I only use archives for their size (to store on 
floppy, or just to gain room on my small HD) so that
speed is not really an issue but size is !

If I want to be fast, I just don't compress at all!

	Stefan Monnier


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Atari ST with 60Mhz 68040 on the Atari Messe
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:35:16 GMT

In <tiemann.714777478@tardis61> tiemann@iis.ethz.ch (Bjoern Tiemann) writes:

>Beside of this. Is it true that the ST-Magazin will present this
>as a instruction to do-it-yourself?

At least it is true that the Markt & Technic representatives told
everyone who asked that this stuff is intended as a project in an
issue late this year. A friend of mine was told it would probably
appear in the november issue of the ST Magazin.

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
 |             Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de               |
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From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEM.. what needs to be fixed, and soon!
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:38:27 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Aug28.095413.26495@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
> In article <MebEmeK00awP4Wh0tl@andrew.cmu.edu> sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 27-Aug-92 GEM.. what needs to
>>be fixe.. Mr Stephen R Usher@ucl.a (3256)
>>
>>> From what I've heard, the new version of GEM for the FALCON seems a great
>>> improvement. I hope that at least some of the following gripes I have with
>>> GEM are fixed, and the rest to be fixed ASAP if the Atari machines are to
>>> get anywhere:-
>>
>>> (1) Response time for mouse button presses.
>>
>>Well, the same problem exist on Macs. And it is not so easily corrected: the
>>problem is with the double click: how could you know at the first click
>>if there 
>>will be a second one or not ? You HAVE to wait. I know, you don't need to wait 
>>when the click is long: it means it is a 'click-n drag' and that could
>>be improved !
> 
> Why not just stop looking for the double click as soon as the mouse starts
> moving? This would mean that click-and-relocate response time would be
> acceptable but nothing else will change.

     The only problem with this is the fact that you would have to hold
the mouse still for double-clicks. This would slow me down, since I've
gotten really sloppy on starting programs, but it's faster.

Later.......

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: uucico 3.42
From: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Craig Shore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:53:06 GMT
Reply-To: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <6814380@zebedee.UUCP>, geoffc@zebedee.UUCP (Geoffrey Coan) writes:
>> Now can someone tell me how the program Kosten works? it also does something
>>  with the uucico adm file.
>> 
>Where did you find Kosten ?   Is it part of hermes ?   Incidently, is
>hermes still on atari.archive as telecomm/herm100b.lzh - because I can't
>find it if it is.

I got it with the Hermes v1.03 from a german site Stuttgart
 (129.69.1.12)   (I only have the number, all the names for it are
 unrecogonised from here that i've seen)
I can't remember the path to it, try pub/atari/telecomm/hermes
 wherever it is, it's in it's own directory calles hermes.
FTP all the files from that dir to get Hermes 1.03... Kosten is one of them.
 there's a file called how2(something!), read that, it tells you how to
 decompress it all.

Craig.


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