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I can't resist putting in my 2-cents worth.

My daughter (just under 6) loves to make anything with hamburger - meat
loaf, meat balls, etc.  She un-wraps the hamburger and I add the other
ingredients (egg, bread crumbs, and herbs).  She loves to squish things
together with her hands and to shape it.  Make funny-shaped individual
meat loaves, plain meat balls, or put meat balls into spaghetti sauce.
One of her favorites is Aikin Drum.

  [For those of you have missed this, it is a song (one version done by
   Rafi):
     There is a man lived in the moon, lived in the moon, lived in the moon.
     There is a man lived in the moon, and his name was Aiken Drum.

     His hair was made of spaghetti, spaghetti, spaghetti.
     His hair was made of spaghetti, and his name was Aikin Drum.

     His eyes were made of meat balls ...

     His nose was made of cheese ...

     His mouth was made of pizza ...   (I substitute a catsup smile)

   You can actually make up any verses that you want.  Put the things
   together on a plate to make a face.]

Any thing with pasta is a big hit.  There is a lot of variety here.  Just
last night I did Hot Pasta and Ham: Cook pasta (I use the multi-colored
stuff from Bread of Life - they have different shapes and I let her choose
which shape we use).  While it was cooking I chopped red bell pepper, celery,
and a couple of pieces of ham luncheon meat.  When the pasta was cooked, I
drained it and combined everything with a small amount of olive oil, black
pepper, and herbs.  You can hide a LOT of vegtables in a pasta dish!

Anything SHE can help with is well received.  I have recently solved the
lunch problem by having HER pack her lunch (with minor supervision) the
night before.

Good luck!

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.
From: skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: What kind of car do you drive/3 kids
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:40:23
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com

Question for misc.kids from a friend of mine:

  What kind of car do you drive with 3 kids--all of whom are in car seats?
  There will be 2 Fisher Price carseats and a century infant seat
  (rear facing).  Other car concerns are price and repair record.

  Thanks in advance.

  Susan (skatz@bbn.com)
From: nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:13:06 GMT

I haven't seen Marilou or Magda mentioned as possible "M" names.  Mercedes
was the woman in Alexander Dumas' great novel "The Count of Monte Cristo."
I admit that its similarity to the car could be a problem, though...My
cousin's ex-wife dropped the name her parents gave her and called herself
Mercury, Merc for short.  *I* didn't like it, but who knows?  Has anyone
suggested Meredith or Melinda?  Gee, there sure are a lot of "M" names!

--Nancy Reynolds
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:43:11 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1993Jan19.174352.3923@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.203134.7955@dsd.es.com> ksouth@dsd.es.com writes:

>>Okay, my question is about jacuzzis. Can a woman whose waters are broken use
>>a jacuzzi?

>Yes - in a hospital where the jacuzzi is sterile, but don't take a bath
>at home.  

Sterile?  Unless they boil the water first (not likely), the tub in the
hospital is absolutely NOT sterile.  And your body is at least
accustomed (resistant) to most of the bacteria in your house.  (This is
one of the reasons that infection in both mother and baby is less
likely in a home birth than a hospital birth, assuming reasonable
levels of sanitation in the home.)  Outside of surgery, hospitals are
amazingly non-sterile places (which is why you shouldn't hang around in
one any longer than you really need to).

The conventional wisdom is that a woman should not bathe at all if her
membranes are ruptured; there's supposedly a risk of infection.  There
are some doctors, though, who don't agree with that.  They say they
just don't see those infections occur, and think the advice is based
on theory rather than fact.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kid's View of Politics
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:45:11 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lotus.aero.org

In article <1993Jan25.183038.25622@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|> 
|> Chris:  "Mom, why did Zoe Beard (sic) quit?"
|> Mom, only half-paying attention:  "Because she hired aliens."
|> Chris:  "?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
|> Mom, paying FULL attention:  "No not THAT kind.  People that came here
|>                               without a ..."
|> Chris:  "Passport?"
|> 
|> Well, we're getting there ...
|> 
|> 

I have been meaning to post the following conversation with
our 5 year old who has also been paying attention to
politics recently.  Seeing this post spurred me to action - 

Joshua:  "We have two presidents"
Me:  "No, We have one president and one vice-president who
       is sort of an assistant to the president and helps out
       the president"
Joshua:  "No, we have *TWO* presidents!"
Me:  "Joshua, why do you think we have two presidents?"
Joshua:  "Because if one gets sent to jail, we'll still
          have a president."
Don (Dad):  "Joshua, if one gets sent to jail, then the
           other president will pardon the one sent to
           jail...."
Newsgroups: misc.kids

        My one year old does the same and thinks it is funny.  I haven't
        had much success with "NO" (in any area for that matter) but I have
        had success with "DON'T DO THAT, DO THIS..." and then showing him
        what I prefer him to do.

        In the case of hitting/grabbing my face, I look and him and pat
        my shoulder with MY hand.  He likes to imitate me, so he does the
        same with HIS hand.  You might be able to think of something better
        for him to do as an alternative than shoulder patting.  I needed
        something immediately and it was the first thing I thought of to
        redirect his action.

        Jenny
//
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C17M0G.1AAv@austin.ibm.com>, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes...
> 
>janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
> 
>While I can understand your concern about AIDS and all, I don't
>think this is particularly good advice. The boys in the original
>post were, what, 11 years old? And while you could argue that kids
>are having sex earlier&earlier, I would counter-argue that telling
>an 11 year old boy's mother that you saw him engaged in sexplay with
>one of his male friends would be _A LOT_ more harmful than helpful...

>(even now, at my advanced 
>age of 33, I'm mortified to think of how my mom would have reacted
>if I'd been caught; probably would have warped me for life).
> 
>Perhaps a "stealthy" approach would do the most good: instead of
>"You know, I saw your son engaged in mutual masturbation with his
>friend William", how about "You know, your son's 11 years old now...
>I read something somewhere about how that's about when boys start
>discovering their sexuality etc. With AIDS and all, maybe you and
>his father should consider having "a little talk" with him about
>sex."

I agree with both of you.  

I think the "stealthy" approach is preferable.  No matter how open 
the relationship is between parent and child, discussing theoretical 
matters with a parent is much different than discussing intimate
details. 

I also think that parents often don't deal well with their child's 
sexuality and kids can get into some big trouble due to ignorance 
about sex.  (Now, with Aids, the stakes are even higher.)

As an example of this, I knew a 10 year old girl (a friend of my 
younger sister) who had sex with an 11 year friend of her cousin.  
The girl, her cousin and his friend had a sleepover party at her 
grandmothers, with sleeping bags in the living room.  The girl
told me all about it, since I was a "big kid" of 13 and knew 
everything.  She was very confused and I don't think she realized
exactly what she had done.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.jobs.misc
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:16:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.193958.21444@Arco.COM> dprmjc@inetg1.ARCO.COM (M. J. Cole) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.181141.21921@spider.co.uk>, alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
>> B
>> In article <1993Jan19.061356.14467@fuug.fi> an6814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> >
>> >It seems as if a part-time career is non-existent in software engineering
>> >and in professional/technical jobs in general.  It's looked down upon,
>> >because you can't put in those long hours on the big projects.  I'm
>>
>> Are there such things as "job-shares" in the States ?  The idea is that
>> you employ two people part-time to share a single job (obviously from
>> the title).  They then work out who will take responsibility for which
>> aspects.  These are starting to become more common here - mostly in
>> areas that are traditionally female, nursing, secretarial and even
>> teaching, but I imagine that once a company had introduced it in a
>> clerical or secretarial area, it would be easier to persuade them to
>> do so in a technical area.   It might be worth finding out whether
>> this would be an option.
>> 
>> Bye
>> 
>> Alison 
>
>Yes, ARCO allows job-sharing and supports it's application for a number of job descriptions.  There is even a managerial couple, here in Plano, who share a 
>job.
>
>Mary J. Cole
>mjcole@arco.com

Until I read this I had forgotten that I am in such a position!  (duh!)
I think mostly because I consider it lucky and not open to most people.
My husband and I share an academic position, and I know of others in the
same situation.  But like I said, that is obviously only available if you
and your spouse have exactly the same background - fairly common in academics,
although certainly not the norm.

This works great for us - we actually both work full time by filling in
the other 50% with "soft money" (grants).  When Daniel was born, Skip just
took over my teaching, and now we bring him into the office in the mornings.
We are considering cutting back to part time by backing off on some of the
research.  I also know that within the university there are some non-academic
shared positions, mostly by women who split a single position.

Marilyn Walker
From: massey@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (3 yo)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: massey@pmassey.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, Texas
Originator: massey@pmassey.austin.ibm.com


AHHH.... stop it... I'm laughing so hard my stomach hurts !!!!
-- 
Pat Massey                                    **************************
IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems         *  All opinions my own,  *
Home of the RISC System/6000!!!               *  etc, etc ...          *
Austin, Texas                                 **************************
From: ellenb@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen Boyle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help! - comforting bitee...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:14:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: il
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu


I totally agree with Georgia.  I think that people over-react
to biting and I have always found the smug "my child would
never do such an awful thing" deplorable.  All kids have
negative feeling and find some way to express themselves.
Unfortunately some of those ways are painful to others -
hiting, biting, pushing, screaming, etc.  Its up to the
caregivers (parents or professionals) to help teach/guide 
children to more acceptable forms of expression -- its our job.  
Granted, with some children its a lot harder, and can be very 
unpleasant and frustrating one at times. But insisting a child 
leave childcare brings tears to my eyes for the child and for the 
parents.  Surely already they are stressed out as it is - to make 
them lose their childcare over it seems unreasonaby punitive.  It 
seems more like a failure on the part of the staff (if the biting is 
only occurring at school) and lack of compassion from the other
parents in the group, than the child's unsolvable problem. 

Biters tend to have patterns and given an eagle eye on the
part of the caregiver, you can actually stop the biting before 
it occurs.  Now I know this takes up a good deal of the time
of the caregiver, but certainly it is worth it for the safety
of the children and the well being of the group at large.
From my years of experience, biting has always been a temporary
situtation.

Now, of course, there's always the exception to every rule....

--Ellen
From: Nina Sweeney <sweeney@helix.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
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     <1993Jan26.174838.15358@nas.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:35:42 GMT

>Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?

Let's face it, there are a lot of employers whose minds are
totally closed when it comes to alternative work arrangements.
And it's true that many non full-time employees work much harder  and
accomplish
more than their full-time colleagues.  But then again, there are
part-timers who
give the practice a bad name, and there are enough of them to make
their co-workers and employers miserable.    Like ego-driven bosses,
the breed exists,  and not to admit it is unfair to everyone and doesn't
help
to dispel the very unfair stereotype.   What will help is increased
flexibility on
the part of employers, with a view towards how such flexibility will have
long-term benefits for the company/organization, 
and realistic career planning on the part of would-be part-time
employees.  
An employer may have to invest in training
for a part-time employee so that he/she will have the skills to complete
in-depth projects when the need arises and when he/she has the time to
undertake
them.  A part-timer with (an) infant child(ren) may have to admit that
he/she
may not be able work on certain time-critical development projects for a  
while.  That doesn't mean he/she will never be able to do so.   The keys
to all of this
is honest communication and remaining truly interested in your field.  
It's so basic that it sounds stupid, but easy it ain't.
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:29:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Regarding working different shifts:

My husband and I have done a variation on this since our kids were born.  
My husband quit his fulltime job after our first kid was born, and he
established his own small business.  Basically, our kids have never
been in day care.  I work a traditional work shift and when I come home,
my husband does his work.  Since my husband owns his business, he has all 
the headaches of keeping his business afloat, but also has some flexibility
in what he takes on.

So, now that I've briefly described what we do to manage careers and
child care, I'll say it's very hard on us.  I don't wish to complain since 
this arrangement is completely our choice, but I want to point out that this 
can be exceptionally difficult to manage.  There is very little time when all
of us can interact as a family.  Neither I nor my husband feels that there 
is any discretionary personal time.  We have to make more that just the
usual effort to keep our marriage going since we have so little time
together.  In sum, this arrangement can be very stressful.  But on the
other hand, we have reasonable job satisfaction and also feel very close to 
our children.  So this continues to be the right arrangement for us.  While 
it works for us, it clearly would not work for all couples raising kids.

my 2 cents,
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)
Subject: Re: Bang me on the head
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:29:07 GMT

Along the same lines were two incidents involving a six-year-old I
used to know:

First, she was out playing on the sidewalk (not a curbside one -- nice
place to raise kids) and disappeared from view.  A little while later,
when my friend found her, she explained that she had been talking to a
fellow who lived down the street and had gone into his living room for
some reason (to pet the dog or some such, it doesn't really matter).
When her horrified mother chewed her out, Amanda announced, "Oh, it's
OK.  He's not a kidnapper.  I asked him before he went in!"

Well, we got by that one, but we decided that it might be a good idea
to strengthen little Amanda's education about the dangers of unknown
people.  So one day I was quizzing her and getting the right
responses:  "Do you talk to strangers?"  "No."  "Do you get into
strangers' cars?"  "No."  And so forth down the list, until it
occurred to me to ask a different question:

"Do you know what a stranger is?"

"Sure!  It's somebody who might grab you and take you away."

Oops.
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning	geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu	geoff@ITcorp.com
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nail Cutting (was: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:42:22 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


My son is now six, and grudgingly cooperative about getting his nails
trimmed, but I always remember to do it after he has gone to bed.  So
this week, I went into his room and cut his nails while he was asleep.
I had to retrieve his hand a few times, but it wasn't difficult.

The next morning he woke up and realized his nails were missing! He
couldn't figure out where they had gone!  It was funny, and I certainly
wasn't going to enlighten him!
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things to do with 10 mth old
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:52:07 GMT
	<1993Jan20.211139.20481@Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Robin loves music, he'll move his body to it. Sometimes we dance
around him on the floor, sometimes we pick him up and he giggles a
lot. 

He loves *chase* games (I'm gonna get you!). Sometimes he giggles so
hard he can't run away!

Also going out - seeing new things - short supermarket trips are
usually fun.

No one mentioned baths for fun - he *loves* to splash, and it gets him
clean and tired, too!
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:45:53 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
> >
> >"Safe sex" is really an epidemiological concept. If EVERYONE used latex 
> >condoms every time, then there would not be an AIDS epidemic, period. 
> >That's pretty darned safe. Promotion of condom usage now could save 
> >millions of lives in the next decade or two, even though condoms are 
> >imperfect.
> 
> This is assuming that AIDS is only transmitted through sexual intercourse.
> 
> Reminds me of the three junkies passing around a needle, and a fourth
> guy walks over and tells them that's dangerous, and one looks up and
> says "Oh, it's OK.  We're all wearing condoms."

Nope, this is pointing out that one of the major modes of HIV transmission 
has been via sex, and cutting that down to the degree that condoms make 
possible would have been sufficient to prevent the epidemic from becoming 
one, and even now could change the course of the epidemic drastically.
The cheapest public health measure we can now take is to promote the use 
of condoms--it really could save millions of lives.

If a virus is passed at a rate we'll call x, and y percentage of the 
population has the infection, then an epidemic can be stopped by lowering 
x. It's not necessary to reduce x to zero in order to stop the epidemic.
Plus, the lower you can make y (as a result of reducing x), the less chance 
there is of any individual acquiring the infection, even at the new,
lowered but non-zero rate of x.

People who don't want to fund condom promotion and addiction-recovery 
programs with their tax dollars forget that it's in the best 
interests of their own children to lower the value of y, the percentage 
of the population that has the infection. You can never be 100% sure 
that your darling child will never do something stupid.

People who think that they can prevent their children from experimenting
with sex as teenagers forget the importance of rebellion to teens.
The more you lecture them about abstinence, the more they want to have 
sex. They may just develop the underlying belief that they deserve to 
die for wanting such a sinful thing. When I was in college, I knew a few
people who felt driven to rebel against particularly stern parents, and 
yet felt that they must be horribly  wicked for doing so. They did 
rebel, though--and  also took horrible risks to punish themselves, such 
as drunk driving or using drugs they knew to be unsafe. So guess what 
risks today's teens are probably punishing themselves with....  

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infants & Sunscreen (Was Re: Tript to remote island...)
Summary: re: suncreen problems
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:43:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1k718oINN638@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
> 
> In article <9301272121.AA22228@cairo.kodak.com>, mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
> > In <1k6tdmINN46v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
> > writes:
> > >A dermatologist told me that the official age when you can use 
> > >sunscreen on a baby is six months, but that *she* wasn't going 
> > >to put any on her daughter until the child was at least one year 
> > >old.
> > 
> > Does this include the PABA-free ones?
> 
> Yes. I wouldn't use PABA on a child--it hurts my skin and turns me
> bright red IF I get out in the sun with it on. Interesting stuff,
> but irritating to the skin.
> 
I used an Avon sunscreen on my son as an infant.....

DO NOT USE AROUND THE EYES...

No skin problems and the little guy is allergic to everything...

but keep away from eyes..(yours too!) his swelled shut!




Randy Cosby