From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: What needs to happen to discuss these issues productively.
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:45:13 GMT

bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:

>In alt.abortion.inequity, kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley) writes:
>->gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>->And why do you think that ALL human beings deserve basic rights?  What
>->about conflicting human rights?  You know, like *womans's* rights.

>>Sorry.  You win the major logic flaw award.  Yes, ALL human beings deserve
>>the basic rights (ie. the right to life).  This conflicts with no other
>>rights.  Woman's Rights are secondary because they deny other humans the
>>aforementioned right to life.

>Flawed logic award returns to Kevin. Sometimes the carrying to term
>of a fetus denies a woman the right to life (read death of woman). Since
>this is so, a true fact, in other words, you must support abortion.

Like I said:  You're easy.  "...a fetus denies..."  hahahahaha.  So
suddenly the fetus makes a conscious effort to do something?  Guess
what Ron?  You just admitted the fetus is human.  Seems we have a
convert!

>->Society already disrespects human life.  Perhaps you didn't see the
>->newscasts of people cheering our side in the Gulf War?  I don't see where
>->abortion (something done behind the closed doors of a doctors office)
>->effects society more than, say, a Rambo movie, or the reading of the
>->bible (one of the bloodiest books).

>>"Society already disrespects human life."  So two wrongs make a right?
>>I cheered our side in the Gulf War.  Not because we killed Iraqis but
>>because we were liberating an oppressed people (kinda like a unborn
>>children).  The Bible is history.  Mankind is inherently violent.  Hence
>>the Bible is "bloody".  Doesn't make it wrong, bad, etc.

>First off, there is no such thing as an unborn child, there is a fetus
>and a child, one is unborn, the other is born.

So the difference is the being "born"?  So "unborn child" is
synonomous with "fetus".  Thanks Ron.


>If you can liken the liberation of oppressed people to the subjugation
>of women to be forced to carry a fetus to term, you are IMO one twisted
>asshole.

Fortunately you have made it clear that your opinion is one of the
most misguided, illogical piles of emotional glunk available.

>>Outlaw contraception?   Duuuuhhhh and hear I thunked dat you kuld by
>>kondums even beefour 1973.  Is this possibly a ploy to provoke emotional
>>responses to a non-existent issue?  You bet it is.

>Despite the display of the level of your intelligence, many pro-lifers 
>do want to ban contraceptives.

Oh MAN, thats funny.


>->Given that the abortion turnout always favors the pro-choice crowd in a
>->huge way I would think that you would see that abortion _is_ moral - using
>->your own logic.

>>Lie.  Always claim numerical superiority no matter what.  Good Tactic.

>Blatant assertion, care to show any proof for the previous two or three
>years? (current numbers required, since going back 500 years to the
>reign of the RCC is not valid data.)

Hey dumbshit.  Reread the previous paragraph.  Doesn't that also 
qualify as "blatant assertion"?  I guess not because it's on your
side, right?

>Polls taken by various news organizations over the past two years show
>support for abortion varies between 70%-80% of the population. This
>is one of the reasons Bush wishes to change his stance on abortion yet
>again, but due to his many other flip-flops, his advisers have encouraged
>him not to. It would show him as having no convictions at all, except
>for making war on little tyrants. (which he should be praised for)

More road apples from Ron.  In 1990 PP commissioned a poll trying to
prove exactly that.  Even though the poll questioned was created by
PP and slanted in their favor (of course) they barely won.  PP had
won (approx. 52% to 48% - unrespondents not included) but with a 
5% margin of error and the fact that the question was slanted from the
start it seems apparent that they actually lost.

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