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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA/Arizona
Keywords: Quick summary
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:47:19 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <57529@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> Was it me or did Vitale make a mountain out of a molehill with Dempsey?
> He made it sound like Arizona withdrew the scholarship and he ended up
> at UCLA by default, and thats not true. He did not qualify so he went
> to JC to get his grades up, in the meantime Arizona signed 5 good kids
> for this year and had no scholarship to offer him. I thought he played well
> though.

Well almost right here. In all fairness to Dick, Dempsey has been doing a pretty
good job of making it sound as if Arizona stiffed him on the scholarship. An
interview in the local paper had both him and his mother quoted as saying
that Arizona knew his academic status when they signed him and in effect
stiffed him when they decided they no longer wanted him. They mentioned how
they hoped UCLA pounded Arizona in order to get some level of revenge and
so forth. I don't know what the reality of the situation was/is. I remember
Olson saying that he thought it was absurd that Dempsey could not attend the
UofA since he met NCAA requirements and that he knew Dempsey could cut it
in college but then again I only heard it once and it may very well be that
the Cats decided against him and used the grades as an out...

			gln

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From: cpsigd01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Sagarin Schedule Rankings?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:04:28 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Has anyone seen the Sagarin ranking of toughness of schedule.  Louisville
is numero uno.  At least we are first in something.
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight: A Year-by-Year Chronology
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:40:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ditka Policy Institute

In article <1is44fINNpp7@meaddata.meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
>[harmless incidents deleted]

That's a matter of opinion; the details of those incidents (when,
where, who) are matters of fact.  I tend to think they're not quite
as harmless when considering that the man involved is a highly visible,
sanctioned, official representative of his institution.  (Unlike you
and I, who speak only for ourselves here, he speaks for his team, his
campus, and his conference...a burden which, in my opinion, he has
carried extremely poorly.  Not that I would necessarily do any better,
you understand -- but I shouldn't have the job, and neither should he.)

>> 1981-82  Ohio State guard Troy Taylor claims Knight cursed him after he
>> thought Taylor flagrantly fouled Jim Thomas.  Knight denied the charge
>> and sent films of the incident to the Big 10 and Ohio State.  Ohio State
>> later supported Knight.
>
>So you're down on Knight for defending himself from the claims of a hack.

I'm down on Knight for swearing at an opposing player and then denying
it.  I saw the game (almost by accident) and there's no doubt in my
mind that Knight was way out of line when he unloaded on Taylor.
(Of course, this doesn't mean that there's some blame to be placed
on Taylor's shoulders as well; but we're talking about Knight.)

>> ?? The Dale Brown incident.  (exact date and details have gone fuzzy)
>
>When IU played LSU in the NCAA's in '87, IU was losing with a couple
>minutes to go.  Knight supposedly said something like, "I looked down
>the court and saw who was coaching the other team and I just sat back
>and relaxed because I knew we'd win."  The was the game where Knight
>pounded his fist on the scorer's table.

Thanks for prodding my memory; I knew it was sometime in the late 80's,
but I couldn't recall if it was in the regular season or in the
tournament.  I do seem to vaguely recall that Knight attempted
to patch things up at a later date.  Now that I've got a rough
date to go by, I can head to the library to research the details.

>Knight isn't racist, he's mean to everyone :-)

Point well taken. :-)  But whether or not you or I think he's
racist isn't the point: someone in his position should not allow
themselves to be photographed in the situation he did.  It's a
flat-out dumb move for anyone in the public eye.

---Rsk
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From: mp@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kumar Patel)
Subject: more NC State news (injury)
Summary: Bakalli out for 4/6 weeks
Keywords: Bakalli injured
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:25:26 GMT


Well, in more news for the Wolfpack, Bakalli is injured and will be out
for four to six weeks.
(I think he broke his foot, but it could have been his hand - I was
doing something and didn't hear the first half of the announcement
clearly).

   Oh - you want good news...hmmm... Les is still here, Thompson is
still healthy (fingers crossed), Kornegay, Fuller and Wilson have three
more years here after this.


     have fun,
               Manoj

From: Kenneth.Whelan@f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Kenneth Whelan)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
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Subject: Re: 1993 Final Four
Date: 03 Jan 93  22:17:01 EST

 > From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
 > Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
 >
 > In <725063717.0@nwark.FidoNet> K
 > enneth.Whelan@f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Kenneth Whelan) writes:
 >
 > >has kept on winning though (Unlike Memphis State).  Then Saturday AT
 > >Missouri despite being underdogs and playing with Big-10 officials(who
 >                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > Are you sure they were Big 10 officials?  Missouri is not in the
 > Big Ten.  Maybe they borrowed some Big Ten officials since they
 > are renowned for their excellent eyesight ;-) ???

(sorry been on vacation)  Yes they were Big-10 the two teams are such  
rivals that they negotiated a deal where outside officials called the
game.

 * Origin: NW Arkansas UUCP <=> Fidonet GateWay (1:391/1060.0)
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke/Oklahoma
Keywords: Gamera Hardaway is POY
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:55:17 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

I've seen 2 teams that have impressed me this year: IU and Duke. Both teams
play with outrageous concentration and awareness. Other teams may showcase
individual talent more, other teams (hopefully UK) may attain Duke and IU's
level by season's end, but IU and Duke are the best I've seen so far.
IU suffers a bit because Knight doesn't have  consistently 
amazing talent, but what he does have is very good: for instance,
I thought Nover was just a strong practice fodder kind of kid, but
he's become a fine, college post player. Duke, on the other hand,
has 5 very good players, and 3 good subs. More than enough talent.
Plus, they have Coach K. 

Oklahoma fans are kidding themselves more than a little if they think OU 
got back in the game because of their rally. OU rallied because Duke let 
up. Duke played better half court defense in the 1st half last night than 
they did in the final 4 last year. Unfamiliar as I am with the practice
due to congenital dorkishness I can only speculate that it's hard to keep 
an edge against players you consistently stiff on defense.

And if and when Parks decides to get selfish, Duke will have an
excellent low post offense. He looked a little oafish last night because
Duke's perimeter people were playing their own players straight up 
(and maybe because Park's a little oafish. Certainly, that mushroom
doo that attends his Lloyd Bridges/Sea Hunt impersonation doesn't
help out his chances of becoming America's newest b-ball poster boy.)

And did I hear the Duke crowd chanting "Air ball"? Oh, the ignominy!
The mundanacity! The lugubriosinanity! Until the students get back,
the townies would be better served with just a Best Hits rotation.
It's hard to scold the lumpen-schlieren for bad sportsmanship.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin Schedule Rankings?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:53:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

   Just a quick question for the computer ranking experts. When a ranking
   system (like Sagarin) lists its strength of schedule for a school, does
   that only include games up to that point or the entire season's sched?
   For example, Wisconsin has played for the most part, a bunch of cupcakes.
   Now that the Big 10 season is starting, will UW's strength of sched shoot
   up?

   thanks,

   --salty
From: dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Are the Dukies Vunerable? (I hope so)
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:27:50 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

just watched the Duke-Ok game. I was very unimpressed with Duke's composure and
their lack of free-throw shooting down the strech. They won in OT, but they
were up by eleven with five minutes left and were badly outplayed at Cameron. 
Major point: Grant Hill, certainly one of the top ten players in the country
these days, is a 64% free throw shooter and only hit one of four down the
strech when Duke could have put Ok away. And i couldn't believe the turnovers,
Hurley must have had three in the last two minutes, when it was getting tight. 
How good are they?
It appears the answer is not good enough. when they can play their game, they
look unbeatable. But, like Hurley, they seem to rattle easily. This does not
bode well for the rest of the year and the NCAA's. 
Course, last year, I thought they had no chance to win the National
Championship....
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:30:09 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan8.200025.3559@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>It is easy for Coach K to credit the crowd for victories when Duke typically
>plays its first 4 tourney games in its own back yard.  This is totally an
>unfair advantage.  It is unfair mostly because in most years, #1 seeds rarely
>get even close to their hometown.  The tourney should match teams on as level
>a playing field (ie neutral court) as possible in order to determine which
>team is best.

	Gee, for the '91 tourney, Duke was in the Midwest Regional and wasn't 
even the number one seed.  For the '92 tourney, Duke played the regionals in
Philadelphia.  I think the subregional was in the Meadowlands, but I could be
mistaken.  Hardly Duke's backyard.

	What's the matter, still bitter over the drubbing Duke gave Iowa in 
the tourney a couple of years back?

>Walt Maley    | 'God, what a mess, on the ladder of success.  Where you take
>wmaley@alchemy|  
>uhl.uiowa.edu|       *Setters do it with their hands*  ;-)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
Dept. of Mathematics            
Tufts University              			The Conversation
From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:06:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.

bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
: In article <1993Jan7.193237.19244@news.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
: 
: |> >	<line-up deleted>
: |> >
: |> >Does ISU coach Bob Bender belong here too? 
: |> 
: |> 	Yes he does.  He was on the Indiana team that won the nat'l championship
: |> in '76, but then transfered to Duke and was on their Final Four team in '78.  I
: |> believe he may be the only player to go to the Final Four for two different 
: |> teams.
: 
: Wasn't Ricky Calloway on both IU's national championship in '87 and Kansas'
: in '89?  What about Delray Brooks?  Was he at IU in '87 and Providence's
: final four team?
: 

 KU did not go to the FF in '89.  They went in '88 and '91 and Calloway was
 not on either team.  Providence was in the '87 FF (with Delray Brooks) so
 Brooks was obviously not on the IU championship team that year.
-- 
Richard D. Suffridge   803-791-6491  <suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>                                  
From an AP report:  Gore ... asked voters skeptical of their promise of
change to remember that every communist government in Eastern Europe had
fallen in 100 days. "Now it's our turn here in the United States," he said.
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: r.s.b.c statistics
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:15:58 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
}
}Subject		art.	pct.	thrd.	pct.
}--------------------------------------------
}Non-hoops	 3	 2.4%	2	 3.7%
}Big 10		12	 9.7%	6	11.1%

Say Cliff, did you count James' article about Glenn Robinson's
socks and the subsequent pinhead followups as "Big 10" or
"Non-hoops"?  Either way I think you owe James an apology.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Duke - G. Tech
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:32:44 GMT

In article <726777589@stego.cs.duke.edu> rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)  
writes:

> 1. Parks is the antithesis of Laettner as far as intensity goes.  That was
> the poorest effort I've seen from him.  Failing to meet passes, letting
> Barry take a rebound away from him (even if he did have hold of his forearm),
> it was just pathetic.

Agreed.  What a wuss.

> It doesn't say alot for Meek that he didn't get to play more; or perhaps
> Coach K was hoping Parks would straighten up.

Clearly a confidence thing.  If he was yanked it might have helped short
term, but hurt longer term.

And I've been saying since summer "As Parks goes, so goes Duke."

> Parks clearly has the ability to be a great player, but does he
> have the heart?

Or the nuts, so to speak.

> 2. Marty Clark seems to have found his niche and is an effective player, 
> something I never expected to see, but am very glad of as Thomas Hill is
> struggling a bit right now.  Perhaps he learned that you can't "outathlete"
> everybody.

Marty was still a bit out of control, but is improving.  Without him and
Meek, it can easily be stated that Duke has no bench.  

> 3. Duke showed a surprising degree of inflexibility in the closing 40
> seconds.  Hurley should have realized they weren't going to let him
> shoot that three and set something up for Marty.  He didn't miss a shot
> all day.

I've gotta wonder if Hurley wasn't a little goofy here.  Down three, 50
seconds left, 1 TO left, why not get an easy 2, then call time out,
then foul if a steal fails?  You're no worse off the next time down
the court if the worst happens (two made FT's) unless Tech got the
rebound off a missed FT.

But there was no way that they'd let Hurley have the shot.  No frickin
way, good, bad or indifferent coach.  

> 4.  Isn't it interesting how the free throw you missed hurts the most.  Grant
> Hill was a fabulous 13 of 14, but that 14th was the one he missed.

What they'd be saying if Laettner had missed last spring.

> 5. Tech and UNC should be a great game as long as Tech avoids foul trouble.
> They combine the perimeter and inside games needed, and they have the
> athletes and speed as well.

The big stopping point for Duke was the big men of Tech.  I have a feeling
that the Carolina Crusher will again be in action.  Is Carolina completely
healthy after Maryland?  I'd heard that Phelps went down and didn't return.

> 6. It's certainly not the end of the world for Duke.  We'll see what they
> learned.

I still think the season hinges on Parks.  If he doesn't start to
come through, look for Meek and perhaps a shorter season than we've
seen recently.

--
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From: mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert W. Quesal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Iowa-Indiana thoughts
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:37:49 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <will.726448184@ogre> will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler) writes:
[in reply to:]
>>6)  Overall, a decent game for the Hawkeyes.  They difinitely were in the game
>>in the whole way and if Indiana would have shot Free throws like they did
>>against UK and KU, Iowa would have won.  Iowa needs to work on the offense and
>>learn to always be attacking.  They need to cut **way** down on the turnovers. 

>I could not disagree more.  I have seen Iowa look much better than this game.
>Their defense was nowhere and kept changing every 30 seconds.  They were not
>effective in any zone at all, and they couldn't get near the basket all
>night.  Earl took most of his shots from 3 or 4 feet away.  The press was not
>nearly as effective as it has been in the past.  They are going to have a long
>season if they play that way from now on.

Perhaps the Hawks looked so bad because this was their first game
against a team with any talent.  Their nonconference schedule was a
joke--no way to get ready for the Big 10.  They'll probably have a long
season in the Big 10 because it'll take them 6-8 games (at least) to get
used to playing teams with real college players.  I remember George
Raveling's comment about coaches who schedule tough nonconference teams
ending up at K-Mart (or something like that), but Davis (or perhaps
Iowa's AD) has taken it to an extreme--too many home games, no real
challenges.  How does that got you ready for the conference games?

>Will 

BQ 
-- 
Robert W. Quesal, Ph.D.           mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu 
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                                  R-Quesal@bgu.edu
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Conference Standings  with RPI  1/9/93
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:44:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.094852.27912@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
(Greg Paul) writes:

>Big 8
>=====================================
>  7. Kansas                  1  0   10  1   0.6851    64  38    654  383
> 23. Missouri                1  0    6  2   0.6243    48  25    356  318
>112. Kansas State            1  0    7  2   0.5388    27  41    358  280
> 18. Oklahoma                0  0    8  2   0.6342    52  36    516  352
> 52. Nebraska                0  0   11  3   0.5853    59  61    676  492
> 43. Iowa State              0  1    7  4   0.5931    62  44    604  438
> 85. Oklahoma State          0  1    5  2   0.5565    32  24    241  280
>125. Colorado                0  1    6  5   0.5264    52  44    464  461
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  4.                        0.5967 60 21  396 313  3869 3004  0.741 0.559 0.563
>

Iowa State's record is 8-4. All four losses are to top 25 teams.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:17:43 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Mike Dunnagan writes ---

>This was a classic ACC game, and it was fun to watch. The one thing
>that pissed me off was the foul they gave to Mackey on that screen. Hey,
>that was no foul. Hurley ran into Mackey, plain and simple. I'm
>starting to think these media darlings get special treatment.

I would have to respond that I think it was a foul.  Mackey had 
definitely established position, but as Hurley ran into him he moved
his arms into Hurley, effectively giving him a forearm shiver.
Even this is debatable, because the argument can be made that Mackey
was only bracing for the collision.  However, you have to expect the
call based on the spectacular results and the fact that Hurley is
a star (Jordan rule, paragraph 3, line 8).  At least he earned it.
Good God!  The poor guy had his clock cleaned!  Great hit.  Comments
on it sent to rec.sport.football.pro!  I think it was a foul, but it
was a close call.  Now about us getting special treatment, well, in
this regard at least I think UNC is still the king of Tobacco Road...
		(Just kidding!  Refs basically suck)

-Will
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From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Re: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:21:25 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>In my experience, fans that boo "bad" calls are wrong at least 2/3 of the
>time.  I used to think that it was that they were trying to sway the refs,
>but in reality, I now think they are blind or stupid.

I agree.  I used to be one of those people whne I was a casual fan.  Now
that I've...matured...I pay closer attention.  One thing I hate is
stupidity.  Most people don't even know what travelling is.  I sit back
in my seat and say "good call" or "so and so just got away with one"
even when it was a Tiger that erred.  My mother-in-law always disagrees
with me, but I have better sense than to try to explain it to her.

>Never have I noticed this more than at my days at Purdue (and my return
>trips to Mackey).  Last Saturday versus Butler, I counted at least 12 times
>where many of the fans were whining about what my friends and I perceived
>as good calls.  A few times, a bad call was made in Purdue's favor, and the
>lot of them thought it was a good call.  I think quite often people see
>what they want to see.
 
Instead of whining about good calls that go against us, or rooting bad
calls that work for us, I save my energy for the really lousy calls --
you know, when the refs looking directly at the play, has to have seen
that foot go out of bounds or backcourt, or where I can hear the foul
way up in my seat but seems to to have forgotten how to blow a whistle.
Then I can put my full force of my displeasure behind the stream of not
quite obscene phrases I manage to generate -- "Blind _and_ stupid" is a
favorite -- gets a good laugh.  In Littlejohn Colliseum for a non-ACC
game, you can't help but hear me.

Mike Percy             | grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu  | I don't know about
Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
Clemson University     | (803) 656-3780              | (Laurie Anderson)
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