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From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Subject: Time Lord Recognition (***SPOILERS*** for "The War Games")
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:44:53 GMT


Just rewatched "The War Games" episodes 1-5 last night, and
I have a teensy question.

As "The War Games" is probably not one of the most frequently
seen stories, I think I'll put in a spoiler thingy.
And 24 lines in case the spoiler thingy doesn't work.


























Okay...
How did the War Chief recognize the Doctor in the Alien Lecture
Room? The War Chief had not seen the Doctor in this form (there
is a line to that effect later on) but still knew Who he was.

The Doctor also recognized the War Chief, but I believe that the
WC was young enough to still be in his first incarnation, so the
Doctor maybe would have seen him before.

Do Time Lords have an inbuilt sense that tells them when another
of their race is present? Something to do with artron energy or
the double pulse?

By the way, is this topic old enough that I'm allowed restart it?

-- 
Ace Quote O' The Week:
	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Subject: Re: The Net is Burning
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:31:33 GMT


And don't anyone try to flame me back. I will not dignify such
flames with an answer.
-- 
Ace Quote O' The Week:
	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
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From: NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon)
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.163307.8490@honte.uleth.ca>,
tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg) writes:
> .... He was being polite?  No, forget that; Davidson would be
> polite, but Colin Baker would have made some obnoxious comment
> about it.  (BTW I can't see why anyone would want a C. Baker fan
> club.  Okay, I can watch him...  but like him?)

Someone seems to be having a little trouble distinguishing between
the actors and the roles they play.  Let's try this:  The Fifth
Doctor (played by Peter Davison [no second "d", please!]) would
be polite, but the Sixth Doctor (played by Colin Baker) would
have made some obnoxious comment about it.

Colin (vs. the Sixth Doctor) has not one but *two* fan clubs --
which, to the best of my knowledge, is at least one more than
currently exists for any other actor who has played the Doctor.
He has had an American fan club (which I'm delighted to run)
since 1987, and also has a club in England which is 2-3 years old.
There must be *some* reason why two individuals on opposite sides
of the planet are willing to put forth the effort to run clubs
for him, and *some* reason why the members of those clubs continue
to pay membership dues year after year....  You don't suppose
some of us might know something that you don't?

Some of us understand that an actor's personality may differ
greatly from that of the characters he/she portrays, and fortunately
quite a few Doctor Who fans have figured out that "in real life"
Colin isn't much like the Sixth Doctor at all.  He's actually a
very nice man, and a lot of fun, and plenty of people like *him*
irrespective of whether or not they like the Sixth Doctor!  The
aforementioned clubs aren't Sixth Doctor clubs; both concern
themselves with the entire body of work that Colin has done since
his first professional acting job in 1969, with emphasis on what
he's doing currently.

If you don't like the Sixth Doctor, fine.  That's your prerogative.
But it would be appreciated if you would kindly refrain from
suggesting that Colin, personally, is unlikeable -- unless,
of course, you know him personally and there is actually some
concrete basis for your opinion.  (I suspect that isn't the case;
however, if it is, please feel free to elaborate.)

I met Colin seven years ago, and during the last five years I've
worked closely with him on my club, served as his escort during
several conventions, and have also acted as his American agent
with respect to negotiating several convention appearances for
him.  I find him a joy to work with and *extremely* likeable,
and I hope to continue working with him for *at least* another
five years!

Laurie Yadon
Coordinator/Editor
The Baker Connection
(Colin's American fan club since 1987)
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:07:33 GMT
 <1992Jul21.024807.1509@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> <1992Jul22.000559.6807@pimacc.pima.edu> <1992Jul22.151342.7377@news.iastate.edu>

In article <1992Jul22.151342.7377@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> Please note that I'm doing this editing by HAND so I can't really quote without
> quoting huge articles. 
> 
> 	A previous writed wrote:
> 
>> Why don't YOU try to find out what YOU'RE talking about? Historians
>> have been writing for years about how contemporary Romans
>> considered Christians to be a bad influence on the Empire.
>> I believe that Gibbon addresses this in his writings. The
>> attitude was present before any systematic persecu- tion
>> began & probably facilitated the persecution. The fact remains
>> that Christians *were* persecuted for centuries in any case.
> 
> And good for the Romans! The Romans were one of the first advanced 

I guess you (like the Nazis) don't mind people being persecuted as long
as it's the *RIGHT* sort of people ,eh? You know all those that don't
subscribe to whatever you do? Whats makes your attitude any better than
what you accuse christians of? Don't you think it's a little immature
to hold christians today accountable for what happened years or even
centuries ago?

> scientific cultures(I can imagine the flames from Chinese and Greeks), 
> and infecting their culture with a dominating religion. The multi-god
> religion of the Romans encourged advancements in ALL fields of science.
> (The Pope once told Stephen Hawking to cease his investigation into the
> beginning of the Universe) 

Yes , this is what Hawking allegedly *CLAIMED*! You have some evidence to 
corroborate this claim? Or are you just accepting something because it's
what you want to hear?

>The Roman's might have created myths to 
> understand things, but when science uncovered the REAL reason, the people
> believed it without question.

The Romans also created one of the most corrupt & oppressive societies
ever. This is attested to by their own historians! Oh well, some people
still think the USSR (RIP) was something wonderful also.

> 	Oh, God...Are the Christians whining about being persecuted again?
> 1 word for you, buddy...1 word...'Inquisition'. Think about it. Thousands
> upon thousands of people killed. How about a 3 words acronym, too? Ok then...
> 'BSA'. Boy Scouts of America. When I was young, I was refused from BSA
> because I was an Athiest. Want another word? 'Jews'. In Mideval England,
> Jews were treated like second class scum. 
> 
> 	Dont whine about being persecuted, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT.
> 

You should talk about whining! I never claimed that I was persecuted. I
simply noted that the persecution had taken place. Of course this dis-
tinction probably slipped by you. FYI, it's very possible for christians
to still be persecuted. Iran & China are examples where people (& not just
christians, BTW) are currently persecuted soley for their religious beliefs.
Guess that slipped by you too.

PHIL
 
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:27:14 GMT

Oh, yes...Bumblebess and what someone thinks a BBC exec. said in 1962 are
completely and totally connected to going backwards in time.

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.190629.9921@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.172404.11678@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>>Who cares what Tom Baker said about Bumblebees? I disproved that bit a couple
>>of days ago. That's not what this discussion is about. Wait a minute, wait a
>>minute...If the Doctor said that Bumblebees couldn't fly, HE WAS WRONG...Whoa
>>spoiler city.
>>
>>Frank Trumpy
>>trump@iastate.edu
>>
>
>Frank, their point is that bumblebees were once thought to not be able to
>fly, aerodynamically speaking.  Science once said they shouldn't be able to
>do it.  Their point (and mine) is that perhaps the same situation holds
>true when it comes to time travel.
>

Bzzzzzt. Science said they shouldn't be able to fly if they were FIX WINGED,
which the are obviously not. 

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: elh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Edward L. Haletky)
Subject: Old Dr. Who FAN
Summary: WHO
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:31:56 GMT

Howdy,

I have been reading this newsgroup only recently. I used to read quite often
at University however, I have been out for a few years. A few questions.

Is there a Dr. Who Program Guide anywhere? Years back there exist such a guide.

I do not have access to the shows anywhere. I was curious if anyone
knows a place that sells the shows on video? The PBS station where I live
only shows them during pledge drives and at no other time, if then.

Oh, well. Have a nice day,
Edward Haletky "A Lost Who Fan"
From: ssushipn@SUSSSYS1.RDG.AC.UK (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Photonovels, 1993 Videos etc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:50:08 GMT


The photonovels I am aware of are:
  Power Of The Daleks
  The Macra Terror
  The Savages

And, the provisional 1993 video list for the BBC is...

	The Reign Of Terror (Links by Carol Ann Ford)
	The Tenth Planet (Linkee not confirmed; Apparently Michael Craze)
	Silver Nemesis + Documentary
	The 30th Anniversary Video (Clips etc. compiled by JNT)
	Terminus
	Image Of The Fendahl
	The Invasion (Links By Nicholas Courtney)
	and I think The Aztecs (I'm not sure if that is out this year or next).

The Daemons has appently been given a slot, but I don't know when, and work
is underway on colozing Terror Of The Autons.  And one quick question - does
anybody know of a source in the UK where I could get hold of B&W photos from
the first 6 seasons - presumably the stills by John Cura and Barry Newberry?
Any help would be really appreciated.

Richard `A' Shipton	{ssushipn@uk.ac.rdg.susssys1}
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Sylv and Sophie
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:46:24 GMT

In article <14717@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu
(Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
[deleted]
>Guess what, folks?  WE'RE NOT THE MINORITY!  Of all the fan clubs I've
>been involved in, I've only met THREE (count'em) rabid McCoy haters in
>person.  There have been a few people who could take him or leave him,
>but most of the people I know actively like him.  And I've only talked to
>one person who actually hated Ace, and that was here on the net.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Guess that was me :-)

Re: McCoy, I fall into the "take him or leave him" category. I think my
opinions about McCoy have been heavily influenced by what I consider to
be mostly poor or unenjoyable stories under his Doctor (tho' the last
season was a significat improvement). That, plus his inappropriate
response to Ace's hobby.

But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
Ace as a positive role model. Making home-made bombs is not some
slightly naughty but mostly harmless diversion. It is EXTREMELY
DANGEROUS for the maker AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY!
Make a mistake in preparation? BOOM! Oops...drop something? BOOM!
A hot day? BOOM! Etc, etc... People who make home-made bombs do not
need a paternalistic friend who'll occasionally mildly scold them...they
need incarceration and professional help. Ace is a danger to herself and
others.

I think the bomb idea was invented for Ace so that explosion effects
could be seen regularly in Dr Who. Perhaps they thought it makes the
show look more interesting (ala the A-Team). Also, script writers can
easily use a bomb as a plot device to allow the Dr or Ace to escape from
dangerous situations without having to think up anything clever.
Fortunately, some stories have fought the temptation and gone bomb-free
(a good example being Survival. I Liked Ace in that one).

It's only a silly sci-fi tv show, but still the idea of treating bombs
as some sort of harmless juvenile prank I find a bit disgusting. Leela
was certainly a danger to others, but at least you didn't have to worry
about her accidentally exploding and killing everyone in the area.

Please note that I'm not criticizing Sophie or her portrayal, just her
character as it is frequently written.

Scott.
-- 
Scott Hannon, Wed Jul 29 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Keywords: The show IS still available...
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:05:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana


I just met with the Program Director at Channel 20 here in Indy and here is
what he told me:

Lionheart has only sold the rights to the Sci-Fi Channel for the Hartnell &
Troughton stories IN EPISODE FORMAT.  Hartnells & Troughtons are still
available in movie format.  Channel 20 is working on renegotiating their
contract with Lionheart.  When we see what kind of response we get from
"Tomb Of The Cybermen" on August 30th, we'll know where we stand.

The PD also said he was interested in other, related programming, such as
Blake's 7.  We are encouraging him to look into these other shows.  I am glad
to say that Channel 20 really seems to appreciate us.  

Remember to pledge!

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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Excuses behind ToaTL (Re: Valeyard)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:18:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul21.050955.3530@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

[the endless ToaTL final episode story]

>Finally, the Who experts, who evidently have every piece of Who memorabilia
>imaginable, don't seem to realize the show isn't written with that audience in
>mind. When the viewers watch, why are the supposed to know the behind-the-
>scenes happenings in advance? It ruins the enjoyment if that is necessary.

I happen to know a bunch of people who enjoyed that particular final episode
just fine, without knowing the behind-the-scenes stories at all.  The
average boob-tube-watcher, sad to say, probably wouldn't even THINK about
the issue of who the Valeyard really is.  They wouldn't be paying close
enough attention to the plot to notice the holes we fans notice.

You seem to be standing on a kind of shaky middle ground -- too enlightened
as a fan to ignore the problems with the episode, but not enough in the
know to understand why they're wrong.

>I like to collect odds-and-ends about Doctor Who, but I pray I don't need them
>to watch the show. "Read the novel" for McCoy's stories is such a crappy
>excuse to understand a story.

Again, I enjoyed Curse of Fenric and Remembrance just fine long before the
novels came out.  Even Ghost Light was very good by the second viewing
(but the "repeat viewing" debate is a whole other issue entirely).  Even
in the McCoy era, IMHO, the novels aren't completely necessary to understanding
the show -- just icing on the cake. 

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:09:51 GMT

Oi!  People!  Let's either start reconnecting this topic to Doctor Who
or let's stop talking about it here!  I've seen at least five,
maybe ten posts under this subject with no relation to Doctor Who 
whatsoever.
From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:20:14 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Once again, I'm doing tthis by hand...

A Previous poster writes:

> All right, if you don't like that metaphor, Time travel is
> as impossible as a science-fiction show about a weird guy
> who lives in a police box actually remaining on the air
> for twenty-six years and garnering fans from around the
> world. It'll never happen. --any BBC executive circa  1962.
> 

Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: the Doctor's First Regeneration
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:41:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I believe most of Hartnell's last DW eposide (not counting The Three Doctors)
is missing. From what I understand, that doctor, like the actor that played h
had become quite old, and his body was just "wearing out." Patrick
Troughton, when he took over the role, said he wanted to do his own
Doctor, not just a clone of Hartnell.


TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com | "One day, I shall come back; yes, I shall
(Shane Derek Killian)       | come back. Until then, let there be no
                            | regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go
FIDO: Shane Killian         | forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me
      1:151/2308            | that I am not mistaken in mine."
                            |                                 --Doctor Who
From: glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Keywords: 5Drs, Pi, Chess
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:52:10 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <dennis.712198578@citr.uq.oz.au> dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
>Is their ANY actual relevance to the use of Pi in the chess-board security
>sequence in the 5 Doctors. If so please explain the events of this
>extract a little more clearly than they are portrayed in the show.

No. The movements of the Master, the Doctor, and Tegan in that
scene showed no correlation to pi that I could see.

However: In the novel :-) the Doctor's line is more along the
lines of "use the first one hundred digits of pi as
co-ordinates", and he then proceeds to cross the grid by jumping
from (we presume) squares 3-1 to 4-1 to 5-9 to 2-6 etc.

Jerry Reno (Pi are round) glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Exit the 7th Doctor (?)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:25:36 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

From DreamWatch Bulletin 103?:  Sylvester McCoy is not to be referred as the
ex-DOctor. This comes from BBC Enterprises.

Speculation:  The BBC is soon ready t give DOctor Who to an independent
company.

Can anyone confirm that this is the case in the U.K.: MAtthew Farwell, Chris
Whitehead, Graeme Natress, IAn collier, Gareth Suddess, Brian Buttersworth?
Phil Crabtree, Ian Palmer?  Anyone in the UK?

Hopefully the above is just misspeculation, or a delayed April's Fools joke.

If not, the BBC should give the rights to the show to ITN.  It seems to me that
the old idea of having a Doctor for 120 episodes went out the door for a Doctor
for 120 weeks.

Sylvester McCoy is not a bad actor; it was simply a cse of bad production and
script-writing, i.e keep McCoy, dump Turner and Cartmel!!

COuld we get confirmation from the U.K. before moving on to debate on this one?


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ambassadors of Death actor
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:01:01 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9207261912.AA06913@quark.UMD.EDU> otten@QUARK.UMD.EDU (Neil Ottenstein) writes:
>I just finished watching the third Doctor story, the Ambassadors of
>Death.  I was wondering if people could place one of the actors.  He
>played the character Reegan and his name was William Dysart.  He looked
>relatively familiar, but I couldn't place where I had seen him.  So,
>what is he more well known for?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Neil Ottenstein
>otten@quark.umd.edu

Interesting.  For the longest time I used to think this was the same guy
who played Chief Engineer Login in "The Arsenal of Freedom" on ST:TNG,
but then I found out I was wrong.
This post doesn't seem to acheive much does it?  Perhaps I'll work out
what it's for later on.....