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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 05 Oct 92 17:45:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>	
>	I don't suffer from a narrow-minded outlook, but apparently you do,
>since you seem to be so sure vampires exist.  I merely, from a purely
>scientific point of you, stated that vampires don't exist.  Immortality is
>a fantasy for fools.  Everyone casts a reflection in the mirror.  And a stake
>through the heart would kill ANYONE, much less a "vampire."

     I will suggest that you know nothing of science, and should
stop writing before everyone realizes you for the fool that you are.
Lack of evidence does not imply non-existence, as any scientist
worth two cents can tell you.


>	I am more than mentally equipped to deal with impossibilities.  In
>my physics classes, I enjoy trying to prove theories of time travel.  Because,
>unlike vampires, time travel is a definite possibility.  It CAN exist in our
>world.  We know of phenomena, such as wormholes, that PROVE time travel is 
>possible in some format or another.

      We have exactly as much evidence for the existence of wormholes
as we have for the existence of vampires.  In fact, the large and
varied body of vampire myths could be taken as stronger evidence
of their existence than the very recent theories of wormholes.


>	Oh, I NEVER assume anything (unlike you).  I'm always VERY
>open minded, and should a vampire turn out to come and visit me and prove
>he exists, I would be MORE than happy to prostrate myself over internet in a
>humble apology to all vampires.  However, since none have come forth and 
>PROVED their existence in the few years that humanity has been around, I'm not
>going to live in a delusional fantasy brought on by a romantic longing and
>inability to separate reality from fiction.

     And I'll believe in wormholes when one knocks on my door.

     It's amazing how many people will believe in something just
because it's mentioned on Star Trek.

					-Phil
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From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Subject: Re: garlic
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:39:18 GMT

In article <92280.111100U61171@uicvm.uic.edu> <U61171@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>DOES ANYONE KNOW THE EFFECT OF GARLIC?  WHERE DID THE IDEA THAT IT WARDS OFF VA
>MPIRES ORIGIONATE?  EASTERN EUROPE?    -VF

i believe that the belief that garlic repels vampires stems in part from the
fact that garlic is widely used as healing herb - as vampires are undead, and
garlic promotes the forces of life, it is hardly surprising that garlic should be 
considered effective against vampires...similarly, the shape of garlic (bulbous
root, and stiff standing top) has led to it being regarded as a fertility
symobl (also the fact that it splits & reproduces easily)...another thing which
is contray to unlife.

grendel.
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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:26:19 GMT

>/There are people who would like to be vampires (yours truly included) and
>/would happily play along in that role for a tv show.
>
>/And then, there are those people who have drunk human blood before...
>/(yours truly being one of these again.)

GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: ozernoi@poisonoak.berkeley.edu (Irina Ozernoy)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Pale Blood, the flick from hell
Date: 3 Oct 1992 04:13:13 GMT
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	I've read people's notes asking about _Pale Blood_, and I've seen it
so I thought I'd enlighten all of you out there.  First of all, _PB_ is a fairly"new" release on video.  I don't think it ever came out on the big screen; I also have a sneaking suspicion that this was a foreign film.  it was, in any case, a fairly low budget film.  I would pithily describe it as "Forever Knight on acid."  But, anyway: the Plot!
	The Plot:  Strange vampiric murders are being committed in L.A.  A strange man arrives from Europe; he is the main character, Michael.  (it's been a while, so I'm hazy on the names)  He is very pale and has dark mysterious eyes, etc.  It turns out that a yung lady working for the L.A. P.D. sent away from him, as he is sort of a master of the occult.  Said young lady is completely obsessed with vampires.  She would dearly love to meet one; well, guess what?
	There is a subplot about a video film director who is making a movie about L.A. -- there are many shots of L.A. nightlife and the club scene.  I think
this was supposed to be cool or something.  This video film director begins to 
suspect that our boy is a vampire.  The young lady also begins to suspect; she
goes to his house and finds nothing -- no furniture.  Yes, this man travels light -- his garment bag unzips into a convenient coffin.  Anyway, the young lady is
having disturbing psychic visions: she keeps seeing the people that have been 
brutally murdered and drained.  
	There is also another chick that Michael had picked up at a bar and 
sucked/fucked.  She has fangmarks all over her neck, and Mr. video film maker
notices this as she is one of his models.  He becomes hell-bent on capturing thevampire.
	Shall I go on?  I wouldn't want to spoil the denouement for any of you.
^ ^
( )  <--- bad attempt at a vampire face. 
Feel free to email me back at ozernoi@lithops.berkeley.edu
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	id <j278511@pro-amber.cts.com>; Fri,  2 Oct 92 21: 48 PDT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:41:38 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

In <1992Oct1.204244.182@ccd.harris.com>
rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills) writes:

>	Just one question.  Someone said Vapires predate christianity? How
>so? I don't think so.
>
>


I remember reading that very thing. I will try and get back with the
reference.

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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: god(Lowercase Intended)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:32:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


Congratulations to the previous posters for their concise thoughts. ;) ;)

I have to agree with the poster that said that truth and fiction many times
not exclusive.  I think everyone is talking about paradigms here.  
For instance my truth may be your fiction (Christian to Atheist).

'Nuff Said.




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From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey)
Subject: Re: lilith
Keywords: Lilith, Bible, vampire?
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:40:25 GMT

kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) writes:

>In article <fluffy.718128939@camelot> fluffy@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeffrey Waltersdorf) writes:

>Finally!  I couldn't quite understand how Lillith was Adam's first wife when
>Eve was around before her...  If it doesn't mention Lillith in the Bible, then
>where did the legend (folklore, whatever) come about that she was Adam's first
>wife? I'm still confused on this point.....  Anyone?

This is from memory, so take it with a grain of salt.

There is a 'glossed' format of the Hebrew verion of the Old Testement.
Glossing is having the original texts in the center of the book, with
commentaries surrounding it.  Sometimes the commentaries are glossed too,
so you have commentaries on commentaries on the text.

I believe that Lillith appears somewhere in the glossing around Genesis.
So depending on your viewpoint of what is 'The Bible', it could be proper
to say Lilith is in the Bible.
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 06 Oct 92 17:59:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <20970@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>
>Oh, yeah, for the argument impared:
>
>Occam's Razor:  The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

      Note:  "usually", not "always."


>JR's "SC" P [paraphrased]:  Just because I've sat by my chimney, every
>Christmas eve, waiting for Santa to come down, but never seeing him, doesn't
>mean that there is no Santa Claus. However, after fifteen years of doing
>this, I'm willing to bet larger and larger amounts of money each year that
>Santa will not come down the chimney again next Christmas.

      Agreed.  It's a good bet.  However, if Santa shows up the
next year, you could lose your shirt.


>What do vampires (in classical terms) have against them? Well, they're dead,
>to start with, and dead things have not been observed to do much than
>decompose over the rest of Earth.

     Note necessarily.  Some fiction theorizes that vampires are simply
another species, that sits above homo sapiens on the food chain.


> They can change shape radically (human to
>bat, wolf, or cloud), which is also unprecedented.

      Only in some myths.  This is not a necessary condition.


> They suffer massive
>allergic reactions to sunlight, basically unheard of in multi-cellular
>lifeforms. And so on.

    Totally false.  There are several conditions that cause severe
reactions to sunlight in humans.

				-Phil
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice's New Book
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:20:52 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-15057]: okeanos

>In a previous article, bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon) says:
>
>>Anne Rice's new Vampire Chronicle will be available October 7 in most stores.
>>Not, as previously reported, October 31.
>>Title is indeed 'Tale fo the Body Thief'.
>>
>>Surprise!

True, there's a big shindig tonight at B. Dalton's here in New Orleans...
"Be here at 12:01 am as Oct 6 turns to Oct 7 to be one of the first to
buy Anne Rice's newest book... " Too bad I have to work until midnight.
If I find out that she was there signing copies, I'm gonna be ticked!

Even though the book is arriving at the bookstores now, it will not
"officially" be released until Oct 31. That's the only date she will
release her books.

Meow...
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:37:33 GMT

fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>In <1adc1jINNjo1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:

>>The producer of the TV show "Night Talk" is having a halloween show with
>>witches and vampires (really) and is seeking vampires and vampire victims

>	Oh, come on!  Where do they find these people?  THERE ARE NO SUCH
>THINGS AS VAMPIRES!!!!  Get a clue!  It's okay for a fun fantasy, but let's
>try to keep things in perspective!  This woman is making some fast money
>off those people stupid enough to believe in such rubbish!

If they paid me to be on the show, I'd happily claim to be either a 
vampire or vampire victim (or both, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

Of course, there are those people who (rightly or wrongly) believe that
they actually *are* vampires, or have been a vampire's victim.

There are people who would like to be vampires (yours truly included) and
would happily play along in that role for a tv show.

And then, there are those people who have drunk human blood before...
(yours truly being one of these again.)

The show, if it ever gets produced, should be interesting to watch, if
nothing else.

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
I officially represent each and every one of the above bodies--NOT!

"Oh gee, I guess I just made a Freudian whip...I mean, slip!"       --K.L.
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.200144.13255@mail.cornell.edu> s5lx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Michael Kraizman) writes:

>Well, that all depends on what you mean by vampires.  If you mean
>that they're
>not fang bearing neck puncturers, then you're right. However if you
>mean thay
>they're not blood drinkers then you are way off base.   As far as
>I'm concerned,
>anything that drinks blood for sustenence is a vampire, be it living
>or undead.

	The vampire legend began with count Dracula who made a deal with 
Satan to have eternal youth and fight God.  What I saw in the movie is way 
over the original legend.

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From: quark@asylum.UUCP (I think I know you.)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppola's Dracula
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:55:30 GMT

ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) writes:
>How do you Pronounce "CTHULHU"???

Like it's spelled.  

The proper answer if it's pronounced correctly is Gesuntheit...   

              :-)
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From: bkdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (B K DAVIS)
Subject: Re: Pale blood
Originator: bkdavis@c00058-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bkdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (B K DAVIS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:59:35 GMT


In article <1992Oct02.163443.157098@zeus.calpoly.edu>, bmoser@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Vampire (Brett Moser)) writes:
|>Path: taco!rock!stanford.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!nic.csu.net!koko.csustan.edu!rat!zeus!bmoser
|>Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
|>Subject: Re: Pale blood
|>Message-ID: <1992Oct02.163443.157098@zeus.calpoly.edu>
|>From: bmoser@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Vampire (Brett Moser))
|>Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:34:43 GMT+5:00
|>References: <1992Oct1.085756.7885@ac.dal.ca> <markus.55.717954283@clement.info.umoncton.ca> <1992Oct1.164313.29438@ncsu.edu>
|>Distribution: alt
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|>bkdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (B K DAVIS) writes:
|>>
|>>Has anyone seen pale Blood. It is a very good movie. I am sure that you
|>>guys and gals will like it a lot.
|>
|>mind giving us a hint as to what it is about? i personally have never heard
|>of the movie, a little more information would be appreciated. thanks!
|>
|>-Brett
|>-- 
|>"Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
|>"In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming"
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|>bmoser@nike.calpoly.edu                                   I am a Vampire
|>
I mean hey it is in the video stores. Just go ask for it. It is REALLY REALLY
cool.
Pale Blood.


Brian
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:35:35 GMT

In article <SPIKE.92Sep24130818@coke.std.com> spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>From: spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
>Subject: Innocent Blood
>Date: 24 Sep 92 18:08:18 GMT


>        I saw "Innocent Blood" last night.  The TV ads have made it
>look stupid, but I got a free pass, so I went.  It is awesome.  If you
>liked An American Werewolf In London, you will like Innocent Blood
>(both are directed by John Landis).  It is the same sort of very funny
>horror movie.


	C'mon!!  Do you really think a vawpire can go in a church??  The 
wampires in 'Innocent Blood' doesn't have fangs.  They chew their victims' 
neck and then suck their blood.  I found the movie stupid.  They're not 
vapires.

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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Vampire Comics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 08:06:17 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I highly reccomend if you can find it, the Marvel Graphic novel;Dracula,
A Symphony in Moonlight and Nightmares, by Jon J. Muth.It was published 
in 1986.It uses watercolours and text based both on Bram Stoker's book 
and Paul Monette's adaptation for Nosferatu,the Vampyre. The drawings are 
really excellent, and many of the representations of Lucy resemble Greta 
Garbo movie stills (he must have used them as a basis for his drawings).
        Some stores might still have copies,or used ones for sale. 
Definately worth looking for..

Also there is a wonderful series called "Blood"..but I don't know offhand 
the publisher. It is also out of print and back issues here were 
suitably higher priced.

The innovation Anne Rice series' seem to be really uneven,but I did enjoy 
the one issue of Interview I picked up with the doll on the cover. Also, 
The Vampire Companian often has news of interest to Anne Rice fans..

There is also an adult comic called "Night's Children"pub.by 
foreplay.1991, by Wendy Snow-Lang.It's sort of a modern, punk-ish story.

Of course there is always "The Tomb of Dracula" which has been 
ressurected.I used to collect them for their cheesy value as toilet room 
reading..

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From: xandu@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Subject: vampires ..mail me
Organization: Pembroke State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:44:32 GMT

those who profess to be vampires ... write me... I want to ask a few questions
...... I am no authoritorian on vampirism... but I would like more background
on the subject.... Prove to me you are a vampire.... to those who believe.
Also I have some questions to ask...  Xandu@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have no fear of the dead
Only the living.
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From: jennings@halcyon.com (James Jennings)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:50:41 GMT

fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes
>> I don't suffer from a narrow-minded outlook, but apparently you do

There is a fascinating aspect of human rational thought here. We all
know that the fact that someone believes X is evidence that X is true.
That is because we can generally assume that everyone we meet is at
least somewhat selective about what they believe. However, when we meet
someone that believes in something that is totally alien to our own
experience (witchcraft, UFO's, Quantum Mechanics, etc) we apply the same
reasoning in reverse and assume said person is not rational.

I don't intend to critisize Alan for this. The person he was replying to
had done the same thing. People do it all the time.

In fact, it happens continually whenever "mystics" and "objectivists"
get together. They question each other's rationality before they
understand the basis for the other's world view.

I for one do not believe in vampires in the supernatural sense. On the
otherhand it is vary hard to separate our perceptions from our
interpretations and we must *all* be careful about what we perceive as
true. 

James

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From: peircga2@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Glenn Peirce)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:35:11 GMT

  You stated that science does not support the existence of vampires, using
the physics of reflection, immortality, and stakes through the heart as
"supporting evidence."  However, it is not necessary for 100% of a "myth" to
 be true for the myth to be true.  Often, there is but an element of truth to
any widely spread tale.  Bram Stoker, Anne Rice and Fred Saberhagen do not
hold a monopoly on the truth or image--they merely hold a great number of
readers' attentions.  As I've written here before--the vampire may exist.
It does not have to exist in the very form in which it appears in fiction.

  Glenn
 "
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:15:00 GMT
 <watpod72.717956337@cunews> <fletch.717982508@camelot>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 23:35:08 GMT

In article <fletch.717982508@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:

   HOWEVER, there is no such thing as an "undead" creature which will live
   eternally unless a stake is planted in it's heart!

I'd love to see your "proof" of this "fact".

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