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From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
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Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:44:23 GMT
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In article <9208141555.AA18343@pX1.stfx.ca> Don McCreary
<mccreary@PX1.STFX.CA> writes:
> Ellison has written screenplays before, most notably the
>episode of Star Trek where Kirk falls in love with Edith Keeler while
>waiting for McCoy to show up in 1930s USA. That one won an award if I
>remember correctly.

That's a whole new can of worms. Star Trek was beginning to attract the
top names in science fiction. Ellison wrote a treatment and Gene liked
it a lot so he had Ellison write a screenplay. Ellison's story was a
lot darker. The change in time was caused by a drug abuser on the
Enterprise who ODs and jumps through the Guardian. There was a lot less
light humor.

Gene saw this and didn't like it (especially the part about drug abuse
on board the Enterprise) so he rewrote it. Ellison got pissed (as is
his tendency) and disavowed the episode and the show. He wasn't there
for the award if I remember correctly.

Of course, now that the 25th anniversary is around, Ellison jumps on
the bandwagon$. His original screenplay is now being sold at a store
near you!

Chuck
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:14:13 MDT
From:         cmurrell@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Re: Slacker
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              "PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM" at Aug 13, 92 2:22 pm

I saw Slacker about a year ago.  I believe it was made by a Univ.
of Texas grad. student.  It certainly takes place in Austin.
There is no plot, and the director uses the device of following a
different person almost every time two people meet, thus taking
you with a new character whenever the character you're following
has a lengthy encounter with another.  Confused?  It isn't really
in the context of the film and it is very funny.  I'd strongly
recommend it to anyone who isn't hung up on plot or extremely
conservative.  It's available in video stores here - my daughter
has rented it.

Cindy Murrell
Univ. of Calgary
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:26:38 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Film adaptations, bibliography

Rick,
You're right about the paltry film coverage of the _MLA Bibliography_, on or
off CD-ROM (we're still stuck with the print).  At random perusal, I only found
_Cineaste_ and _Cinema Journal_ as film titles covered.  But for journal litera-
ture you might try also _Film Literature Index_ (annual), which is quite exten-
sive in its coverage of film journals and has a heading for "adaptations."
Also, the index _Media Review Digest_ (basically annual, with some interim
updates, I think)--though devoted primarily to reviews of film, video and other
media programs--has a section called "Mediagraphies" with a heading for "film
adaptations" that covers literature on that subject and provides a brief
annotation.

Jeff Clark
James Madsion Univ.
Media Resources
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From: jrussell@unlinfo.unl.edu (john russell)
Subject: Not quite Hamlet...
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:27:08 GMT


I screwed up my last post about this, so bear with me if you've seen
this before.

I just wanted to recommend a movie I stumbled across at the video
store and picked up on a whim. The movie is "Rosencrantz and 
Guildenstern Are Dead," a very odd movie about two minor characters
from HAMLET and what they are doing while the main action in HAMLET is
going on. 

If you like your comedies as mindless as possible, you're going to
really hate this movie. it's been a long time since I've seen a really
funny movie that made me think this hard. Who would have thought you
could do a running gag on basic laws of physics? 

Has anyone else out there seen this movie? What do y'all think?

Just curious.

jr
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:27:36 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Mexican movies
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If anyone was checking out Telemundo to see if the Chicago schedule fits
the rest of the country, the late night show Saturday was Fernandez's
MEXICO NORTE (the movie he was working on when he ran into that trouble...)

According to TV guide this week (permanent or temporary) there is another
movie on the schedule, at 10:30 PM CDT.

The Survivors of the Andes film was shown at least twice on Chicago TV in
English version.  I can't find the title anywhere.  It might have been
SURVIVE or SURVIVE!
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Prince of Tides

REPLY TO 08/17/92 23:04 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Prince of Tides

Yes, Joe, I agree with your assessment of POT.  As I said in an
earlier post, it was a simplistic treatment of psychotherapy.  The
Streisand character says, in effect, "I can see your emotions are all
bottled up.  Why don't you cry." And then he cries right then and
there -- and he's cured.  Getting a patient to that point (and, of
course we all know he's not her patient .  .  .  ) is not quite so
easy.  And when he rhapsodizes the name "Lowenstein" at the end, I
think I groaned outloud.

Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:07:21 PDT
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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana

I just had a horrible thought...Woody Allen plays directly into the family
values debate at just the perfect time.  Conspiracy?  Call Oliver Stone!

Seriously, I think the saddest part of the whole thing is the estrangement
between mother and daughter.
                              Joan Crenshaw
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prez candidate movies, Bob Roberts
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Tim Robbins wrote the songs, script, directed, and stars in _Bob Roberts_.
A lengthy article on him and the film is in the latest _Premier_.  They
compare his debut to Orson Welles' debut, and to his last director/mentor
Robert Altman.

The film is supposed to open in September.  Didn't Robbins win two
awards at Cannes?  I'm thinking the Palm D'Orr and an acting award.

--scott

(Insert dish on Susan Sarandon here....)
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Subject: Star Trek VI
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:42:31 GMT
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Penny,

Funny you should mention it, but I saw _Star Trek VI_
just last night, can't comment on the theater version because
I didn't see it.

Is it just me or is Spock getting more and more emotional in his
old age.  FAITH???  Since when did Spock start believing in
faith?

Just a thought

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:08:10 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana boy

Subj:   RE: Woody's woody, & the cabana boy

>....               - This whole issue depresses me for a bunch
>of reasons including: 1) the media reporting every rumour as if it were
>a fact, 2) the strange relationship between the films and life (imagine
>a date with Tim Burton), 3) the destruction of what was a very fruitful
>movie collaborative team.  If the allegations of child abuse are true and
>if we are indeed hearing reports of what is "the moral equivalent of
>incest" I will really be depressed and mortified - Meanwhile I wish there
>was a good movie to talk about.

I agree with all the above comments.  To have this sad affair played out
before the world as some cheap, tabloid expose demeans us all.  It is
such an utterly depressing episode that it seems to have sprung  right
out of the pages of Thomas Hardy.

requiescat in pace,

j-man

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:43:25 CDT
From:         AN04000 <AN04@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lynch

> Interesting to compare the novel to the movie - The dialogue from the film
> is almost word for word from the text of the novel, yet the images in the
> book in no way give a hint of the images on the screen - A good case of
> how a director (who also wrote the script) can be both "faithful" and
> and follow the book, but make an entirely diferent film - Bothstand up
> nicely, but in this case they don't compliment one another at all.

who is the author of the novel, if you don't mind my asking?
-lauri b
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:04:00 EDT
From:         DOLANMA@HUGSE2.BITNET
Subject:      Re: We mustn't say Potato Head...

Yes, it's true.  Manchurian Candidate was also held-up for release because
it painted a dark portrait of the government.  Sinatra called Kennedy, a
friend of his, Kennedy called the studio head and informed him how much
he enjoyed the book and looked forward to seeing the film.  It was released
several months later.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:51:00 +0200
From:         MANUEL FERNANDEZ <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re:viewer surv

Hi again$

Since everybody is telling something about scenes while or after
the credits are on, let's do same thing. There were two movies
starting John Cusak, One Crazy Summer and Better Off Dead, and in
both pictures, you have scenes after the movie:
  Better of Dead ----> Lane Mayer's brother (i think It's spelled
like that) starts its space shuttle made out of house hold
appliances.
  One Carzy Summer ---> Story about some little Bunnies. I Think$

Bye, bye...

Manuel Fernandez (Arex)



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From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: re:  Viewing Survey
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:23:08 EST
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Some films are best enjoyed on the big screen only.  Lots of examples
but Jaws was my first experience.  Try to remember what is was like
sitting in a dark theater with Steven S. having total control over
you.  For two hours, I was thrilled, scared, etc...along with the
people around me.  Then I saw it on HBO in a quiet, safe living room.
No comparison.  
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:55:42 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX1.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Philip K. Dick
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Thanks for the input on the novel from which Bladerunner came -- I wasn't
certain if it was Dick or Ellison because Dick write the story that Total
Recall was based on (think it was called WE CAN REMEMBER IT FOR YOU
WHOLESALE).  Ellison has written screenplays before, most notably the
episode of Star Trek where Kirk falls in love with Edith Keeler while
waiting for McCoy to show up in 1930s USA.  That one won an award if I
remember correctly.

Thanks again,
Don
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:23:20 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: David Lynch info
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From: the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
>
>	_Fire, Walk with Me_ starts *next* Friday, August 28th.  Expect
>TV appearances from Kyle, Bowie, and Lynch over the next few weeks.
>Christopher Lishka reviewed this film on rec.arts.movies about a month
>ago (it evidently opened early in Europe) and panned it.

Well, it hasn't been released in the UK yet.  Does anyone know when it
will be, or can anyone out there find out?  Thanx in advance if you have
any info.

Do you have a copy of Chris's review (Chris, are you still here?) which
you could forward to me (or the list)?

I remember a post from months back in which Chris seemed very critical of
_Blue Velvet_ and _Wild at Heart_.

>	Personally, I think Lynch makes some of the most interesting
>visual, visceral films around.

I'm with Scott.  What's Lynch's next project?  Rocket Robbie?

			Liam.    (Still hoping for the conclusion
			====-     of _Twin Peaks_ someday...)

     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * "He's very clever... rather
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*    highly strung."
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lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *     -- Mrs Heath & Basil Fawlty
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:36:00 CDT
From:         Jan Levine Thal / JHR / 262-4867 <THAL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Chinatown summary, anyone?

Just saw Single White Female with a couple of friends.  We were all struck by
how it joins the spate of recent "thrillers" by being so overloaded, so
excessively thrillerlike (not just a dead puppy, but a potentially dead cat, a
threatening rat, e.g.  The point being that old thriller might have one animal
standing in for either the victim or the murder.  this one has three.  One can
unpack about 100 other examples of excessiveness.).  Others in the same
overloaded category: Basic Instincts, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle, etc.

We wondered: what else has Barbet Shroeder made?

This is my first time to post anything so I'll just offer a little pastiche of
rsponses:  Chinatown is so complex that it requires several viewings to figure
out all of the plot lines and that's before one analyzes the use of sound,
color, doubling of female/male characters, etc. etc.  My point is that a summary
probably won't be that useful.  But perhaps others disagree.

What bothers me about the Woody Allen thing is that it seems acceptable to trade
in one's old lover for a newer younger version.  the media is appalled at the
incest but not the misogyny.

Speaking of misogyny, I'm fascinated by the influx of killer lesbians.  Basic
Instincts had 4 or 5.  And they were ALL mass murderers.  Single White Female
has indirect homoeroticism which is intermixed with a kind of narcissistic
twin-fanatasy fascination with the doubling of the two women, but the more
lesbian-like woman is a killer, a mass murderer apparently.  Insights anyone?

Jan LT
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:53:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      literary adaption
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Maybe the strangest literary adaption I've come across is DR. STRANGELOVE -
Started as a novel RED ALERT by Peter George - Then Peter George, Terry
Southern, and Stanly Kubrick do the screenplay - finally, Peter George
re-writes the screenpaly as a new novel (which I'm now reading and is your
standard "novelization" - Has anybody ever read RED ALERT - I'd be curious
to compare the two versions.
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Date: 14 Aug 92 19:02:00 GMT
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RED ALERT, as I recall, preceded FAIL-SAFE by a few years, with
an almost identical plot. When the authors of FAIL-SAFE tried to
sue Kubrick over STRANGELOVE, he embarrassed them by presenting
RED ALERT. I'm not sure if anyonone has accused the F-S authors
of plagiarism.

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:25:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Woody's woody, & the cabana boy
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Pauline Kael said in her review of Manhattan something to the effect of
"Woody Allen is the only one who could portray himself as falling in love
with a fifteen year old girl and not get accused of being a child molester
or dirty old man" (or something like that).  Interesting how life imitates
art...imitates life, and so on...

portigal_steve@tandem.com

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      Hmmm.... would it be better or worse if Woody was seeking a
scene with Matt Dillon dressed as a cabana boy?

I guess it's pretty obvious that any problems he has stem from his
misunderstanding of Joyce and Faulkner.  But then, you all knew that, right?

Wait, if she's 21, and she isn't a blood relative... this isn't necessarily
a relationship one can condemn, is it?  Consenting adults, breaking up with
Mia, so it isn't cheating, sort of...

Just a sec, lemme get the flame shield up.  Okay.

Rick Francis
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:24:10 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Jim Smith's posting re MLK & MX quote

Jim,
Thanks a lot for posting the 2 quotations I asked for from
the end of Do the Right Thing.
(I'd have sent this directly to you, but I failed to make
note of your e-mail address.)
--Anjani
From: C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET (Rick Francis)
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Subject: Film adaptations, bibliography
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:36:30 GMT
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Thanks (Jeff?) for the additional items on film adaptation.  I bought a
copy of Boyum's Double Exposure (only $4.95!), and in some ways it's the
best one for me.  She has a chapter in defense of adaptations, which
talks about the biases against and the overwhelming success of adaptations
of literary works; and another segment addresses the issue of fidelity
, which is of interest to me too. (I'm using the model of film adaptation
to clarify some points about literary translation.)

Still checking out the Welch bibliography, which looks impressive.  If I
continue investigating this route, it will be most helpful.

What I did, instead of trying for theoretical breadth, was make all the
relevent points I could with a focus on film versions of Cain's
The Postman Always Rings Twice.  I mentioned some others, too, in specific
contexts, and then wrote a couple of pages each on The Grifters, Kiss of the
Spider Woman, Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter.  Each offers interesting
adaptations from the literary source.

Even after looking through the Welch bibliography, I'm struck by how little
has been done on this.  The MLA CD-ROM comes up with almost nothing, for
example.  Maybe a lot of film journals are not indexed there?

 Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD>
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:46:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Star Trek VI film/video diff

Mary....
I second your inquiry.  You are absolutely correct. There have been several
episodes where Starfleet officiers have acted in an inappropriate manner,
however, in most of those cases it has either been alien possession or the
actions of a particular officier carrying out a personal vendetta.  Now that I
give it some thought I'm finding it difficult to remember an episode in which
there was a conspiracy of this magnitude within such high ranking levels of
the Federation.  If you have specific episodes in mind please relate them to
me. I would be very interested!
                      ----also-----
Was it Penny who asked in another post about Spock's "abandonment" of logic?
Spock as we all know is half-human, something which is referred to constantly
throughout the original series.  In ST VI, Spock says something to the
effect........(oops! Potential Spoiler.........)









"Logic is just the beginning of knowledge." The quote may not be perfect but
you get the gist of it. After all how many times has Spock mind-melded with
one alien species or another.  He has to have discovered that there are other
levels of intelligence. With regard to "faith". IMO, Spock, being a pacifist,
sees that it is not logical to destroy the Klingon Empire simply because the
opportunity presents itself.  He therefore relies on faith. Yes, an emotion
which I might add he handles somewhat awkwardly.  As far as Spock becoming
more human,  NOT.  He has found a level of synthesis and is experimenting with
it. His faith in Kirk to "go along" with the peace process is a misjudgement
on his part.  Kirk, on the other hand, because he too can synthesize
emotion/logic in putting aside his personal hatred for Klingons, is able to,
with Spock, save the known Galaxy.
If you couldn't tell I enjoyed this adventure very much. Second only to ST II.
Would still like to know who and where the information came from regarding
Gene Roddenberry's philosophical attempts at keeping Starfleet free of
corruption.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:18:23 CST
From:         Ricardo Noyola Picazzo <AL282897@VMTECSLP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re:Hot Shots
              13 Aug 1992 19:10:00 +0200 from <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>

Sorry, i mean _Gone with the Wind_

 Ricardo.
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Subject:      Crap detection

>At any rate, I for one will be happy to stick to movies.
>--Anjani

Please don't, Anjani. Let me repeat an old announcement:

        ** I am writing a screenplay about CINEMA-L. **

Presto Change-o !! The Cavalcade of Human Tragifarce becomes grist
for our millstone, because *Everything we say* has to do with movies.

I learned this sort of thing from the Jesuits, God Bless'em.

kjf-
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:09:22 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      ratings mystery
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I just got _Variety_ for Aug. 3--it's very slow in my post office, yes,
folks--and was checking the MPAA ratings box as I always do.  There are no
changes this week and no NC-17s.  However, I quote in full

"`White Men Can't Jump' (20th Century Fox).  [R] for language and sexuality.
Edited version; content differs from R version rated Jan. 15."

Can somebody tell me what this means?

Why are there now 2 R versions of "White Men"?  I've never heard of this
happening before.
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