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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Full FA Cup 3rd Round Draw
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:58:13 GMT

In article <MNEWS.723809791.29199@demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>Draw for the FA Challenge Cup Third Round
>
>Derby County         v. Stockport County


SHAZBAG!!!!  An away draw for the Rams would have been better considering
their home form this year!!!!  

Prediction:  County will go through.  Guaranteed dead certainty.


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

For the Campaign to bring back Brian Clough and The Mud Bog to Derby County FC.
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From: hamoudy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Mohamad E Allaf)
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:11:37 GMT

      I am very surprised to see people trying to compare Maradona to Pele.  Pele is by far the better overall player.  He had more talent than Maradona and I believe a huge impact on the game of soccer.  When one attempts to make a great play in soccer people usually say "Who do you think you are Pele?".  Pele is in a class of his own and then comes the others-->  granted Maradona might head this other class of players but the gap between the two is I belive huge.  No one will ever have an impact on socce

r equal to that of Pele and no one will ever play better.                                     


						M.A--


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From: richm@informix.com (Richard Mortimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:59:30 GMT
Organization: a smallish island in the North Sea

Watford's traditional rivals are Luton Town.

According to the book published to commemorate the Hornets'
Centenary last year (written by a local newpaperman and fellow
Watford guru Oliver Phillips), a friendly rivalry between the 
two clubs developed shortly after the end of the second world
war.  

Troops and airmen returning home to Hertfordshire and
Bedfordshire found that many of the friends they had served
with lived within 20 miles.  As the post-war era was boom time
for attendances, people developed affinities for their local 
teams, whilst maintaining the friendships they had established 
with their comrades during the war.

One thing led to another and as the years rolled by the 
rivalry became more intense - peaking (IMHO) in the early
eighties (by which time any wartime connection had long been
forgotton) when both teams were promoted to the (then) first
division in the same season.  The 'Chiltern' derby matches
became the games everyone in the area looked forward to.  
This was particularly true of the Luton fans as the Hatters 
won most of the encounters.  These games usually attracted 
attendences of around 18,000 - 20,000 (but not any more), 
which in small grounds such as Kenilworth Road and Vicarage 
Road created an absorbing atmosphere to match anything Arsenal/
Spurs, Liverpool/Everton, Man Utd/City etc could come up with.

History lesson over for today.  Normal service now resumes.

 \      /  Rich Mortimer
 \ ---- /  WATFORD FC - THE HORNETS *** Division Four Champions 1977/8 ***
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From: root@skorpion.lt.su (root)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Georgia Championship. End of Half
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:20:11 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: SKORPIONAS Ltd, Panevezys, Lithuania
Reply-To: root@skorpion.lt.su

Georgia Champiomship                            1992.12.13.

      1 Dinamo Tbilisi             15 13  1  1   37-  8   40
      2 Alasani Gurdzhaani         16 10  2  4   32- 23   32
      3 Margveti Sestafoni         16 10  2  4   31- 26   32
      4 Gorda Rustavi              16  9  4  3   46- 30   31
      5 Kolheti 1913 Poti          16  9  3  4   30- 18   30
      6 Shevardeni 1906 Tbilisi    16  9  2  5   34- 20   29
      7 Torpedo                    16  8  2  6   29- 20   26
      8 Samgurali Zhaltubo         16  7  4  5   35- 27   25
      9 FC Batumi                  16  6  2  8   24- 25   20
     10 Dila Gori                  16  6  2  8   22- 29   20
     11 Guria Lanchhuti            16  6  2  8   19- 30   20
     12 Kolheti Hobi               15  5  3  7   22- 29   18
     13 FC Samtredia               16  5  3  8   17- 24   18
     14 Mretebi Tbilisi            15  5  1  9   19- 28   16
     15 Iveria Hashuri             16  5  1 10   18- 35   16
     16 Zhumi Suhumi               16  1  1 14   25- 46    4
     17 Odishi Sugdidi             15  1  1 13   16- 38    4

Continue in March 1993.

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      root@skorpion.lt.su
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      Skorpionas Ltd.
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From: ekjc13@castle.ed.ac.uk (N McLennan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Last Saturday
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:20:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I don't know if Woolly still reads this, (but if not could someone pass
on this to her)

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha 
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
  
Tha Arabian Bairn
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:15:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      I am really sorry if I have caused trouble by posting this message which
is irrelevant to the content of the list.  It's my fault.  I saw something about
   baseball fans in Los Angeles and because I am a big baseball fan, I wrote
something about the Dodgers.  I realize now that I have made a mistake and I
promise it won't happen again.
                                                         Panos Karliotis
From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele --> PELE OF COURSE!
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:52:50 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Dec18.094829.26581@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.174952.7026@gw.wmich.edu>, x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> |> The simple fact that Maradona has played for a lesser number of years
|> |> and that he has mixed drugs and play/sport, makes Pele' a better player.
|> |> 
|> |> Enrique
|> 
|> 
|> What would have happened with Pele if he had been living with the same pessure on his shoulders as Maradona has from the media, his fans etc. ?
|> 
|> 
|> Per Annar

What makes you think there wasn't pressure on him?  Maybe there was no drugs
but many good players ended up alcohoolics at that time because couldn't
stand the pressure.

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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: New Predictions' League - First Fixtures !!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:00:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec16.124706.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>
>	Wouldn't it be easier to have this predictions league on a 
>mailing list ???  

I don't know if it would be easier, but it would be more polite 
to the hundreds of r.s.s. readers that aren't part of the predictions
"league".  In gaming newsgroups, this sort of thing is generally done 
as a mailing list, with occasional newsgroup announcements when 
informing the public of the start of a new predictions season.

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Bob Moynihan                         Go Ipswich Town!
moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Never let the rocks cry out.
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From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scotsport, McNee, Cops at matches
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:20:00 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


In article <1992Dec16.122307.2525@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> 
> Those unbiased chaps off Scotsport.....
> 
> If anyone was watching Scotsport on sunday, did they hear gerry mcnee say this
> at some point in the programme?:
> 
> "The match (Aberdeen v Rangers) could have been postponed until january as
> travelling will be difficult for the away supporters"
> 
> jesus! Does this guy ever talk sense?
> 
> How dare the SFA and Aberdeen 'inconvenience' the rangers fans, who have to
> travel the 140 odd miles to pittodrie!
> 
> Aberdeen fans were given f*** all consideration when they had to travel to
> Hampden for midweek cup finals, sometimes the kick off wasn't delayed till 8pm
> to give them time to get down. Now, the Rangers fans have to leave slum city a
> bit earlier to get there McNee etc. are up in arms about it. 
> 

I totally agree. Even before the special publicity Rangers are getting
this year with the ITV coverage of the Euro Champs League, the three 
stooges on Scotsport always blabbed on about how Rangers or Celtic
played. I despised the analysis after the game where Jim White poses
a players form ("See McCall is a vital player etc..") and Gerry and 
McQueen then go on to say how well he is playing. This continues for
99% of the analysis of the game then Jim White pops up with the question-
"Well, Utd/Dundee/Hibs/Motherwell are going to have a long hard season"
which is quickly backed up from the two gnomes and that concludes the
analysis of the other teams performance.

I was watching an old tape of fitba games the other day, and one game
Utd v Celtic (2-0) (Lex Baillies great game where he pulls down
Gallacher for the pen. and heads into his own goal for the 2nd).
The analysis involved AT LEAST 6 replays of the penalty incident, with
White,McNee and McQueen all virtually agreeing it WASN'T a Penalty
and that Celtic deserved to win!! Utd are not the only club to suffer
this Old Firm bias. I think these guys, due to their work (Rangers/Celtic
on every weekend) do not see other teams unless they are up against
the Firm and so judge the "weaker opposition" on 1 performance.

Its downright biased commentating and if the roles were reversed
imagine the outcry from the west!! ok, Aberdeen, Utd, Dundee, Hearts
aren't as big as the Old Firm but where the hell would Rangers/Celtic
be without competition from the likes of these teams. And anybody who 
says there is no competition anyway, just remember the Old firm have
a slight advantage in attendance/location/support/sponsors/media coverage
compared to the East teams. Just remember the sub 10,000 crowds at Ibrox
not long before 83/84/85.

CGM
DIT
SCOTLAND
				"Hammers to hammer WBA unWycombe style"

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From: chicco@leland.Stanford.EDU (Motlatsi M. Mokoena)
Subject: SOUTH AFRICAN SOCCER UPDATE 3
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:56:07 GMT

 My apologies about the delay.....

Bobsave Superbowl Finals

Iwisa Kaiser Chiefs vs Jomo Midas Cosmos
     2                        1

Iwisa Kaiser Chiefs: By virtue of being the League Champions, they will
                     be representing South Africa in the African Championship
                     Cup (games not scheduled yet). 

Jomo Midas Cosmos: (yet to be confirmed) Since Chiefs opted for A.C.Cup, 
                   Bobsave runners-up will represent South Africa in the 
                   Africa Cup knockouts


Chiefs is looking for a new coach; poor Jeff Buttler said he'd love to stick
around but his response, according to Chiefs spokes(person)* "was late"

*not to offend the critics

MMM
From: davidc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Corr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English League Sucks !
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:15:47 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Dec10.151434.28610@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, by mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu:
> If you guys think that English League is exciting, you are living in a dream
> world. There is absolutely no creativity . If you don't like what I am saying
> that is your problem. English League is the worst league in Europe.
> 
> 
> 
>                           Matthius Pierre Lacombe T'anyeri

Stop talking Shite!!!!!!
From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Fwd: NEVER SAY GOAL
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:46:34 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


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Here is a very brief excerpt from "Mai dire gol", related to week 13
of the Italian league. They seem to alternate good and bad weeks...
(but perhaps there was something interesting in the first 10 minutes,
which unfortunately I have missed !)

WORST GOAL OF THE DAY
Skhuravy's 2nd goal in the Genoa-Napoli game. There was a cross by
Padovano from the left, Ruotolo went for a volley shot but missed it
completely ! Nevertheless, the ball bounced between Ruotolo's feet,
and ended up to Skhuravy, who could score easily while the Napoli
defense hadn't understood what had happened yet...
[And that's hard to swallow for a Napoli fan ! It must really be the
wrong season...]

FOREIGN WONDERS
Today we illustrate the great performances of the Chilean forward
Hugo Rubio, who played one year for Bologna. In arriving, he said
that he was not really a great scorer, but that his teammates would
have enjoyed his assists to score... And that happened, with just a
little difference: his passes usually ended up to the opponents...
After he lost an uncountable number of balls, the opponents' defenses
didn't even care to mark him ! Bologna didn't know how to get rid of
Rubio, while suddenly an injury saved them...
Rubio's statistics:
Games played:                   14
Games played entirely:           2
Goals scored:                    0


Well, I'm sorry, but this is it for this time.
I'm leaving tomorrow for the Christmas break, so I wish everyone
a merry Christmas and a happy new year ! I don't know when I'm
going to be back; as soon as I will, I'll try to resume my postings
on "Mai dire gol".
  Bye,
   Saverio

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From: csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble)
Subject: Re: The best defender in the world!
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:52:33 GMT

In article <Staalebj-141292112121@pc203.dhhalden.no> Staalebj@dhhalden.no (Mr. Bjerkeng) writes:
>The best defender in the world is without a doubt RUNE BRATSETH
Cobblers............Des Walker is without doubt the best.
Dibble

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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:26:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> Considering the game was an important World Cup game, it's hard to
-> forget (esp if you're English). But he made up for this shameful display
-> with a quality second. Wonder what would have happened if the first goal
-> was disallowed and he got a yellow/red card he deserved instead?

I have thought about this many times.

I think Maradona deserved at worst a yellow card.  The goal should not
have counted.

I do not think Maradona would have scored his second goal; it seemed
predicated on England's having pushed their defense forward to try to
score the equalizer.  

I suspect the game would have gone into extra time.  After that, who
knows?
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From: ulick@michaelangelo.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: English FA Cup 3rd Round - Help required.
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:09:46 GMT

In article <BzArnM.Ao9@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> glennm@hpman010.uksr.hp.com (Glenn Mackie) writes:
>	Believe it or not the replays are normally played, weather and other
>	fixtures permitting, the following Tuesday or Wednesday nights. So
>	if Charlton do manage a draw at Elland Road you'll be able to see
>	Leeds get beat at "The Valley".

Wait now.  I remember that last year the Gestapo required 10 days notice
of match schedules so they could arrange their hassle squads overtime, so
FA cup replays were played 10 days later and settled by overtime and 
penalties the the event of a tie, without the usual FA Cup tradition of
replays of replays of replays...


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From: bernal@sanandreas.ecn.purdue.edu (Andres  Bernal)
Subject: Colombia: America Campeon
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:38:07 GMT

Anoche el America vencio 3-1 al Cali.  Nacional le gano de visitante al Junior 
2-0 y con eso aseguro el subcampeonato.  Estos dos equipos juegan la primera ronda de la Copa Libertadores contra Cruzeiro y Fluminense del Brasil (Nacional debe recuperarse del 8-0), de estos cuatro equipos, tres siguen a la siguiente ronda.
Parece que Maturana y Hernan Dario Gomez, tecnicos del America y Nal respectivamente, se haran cargo de la Seleccion. 
Cali debe jugar la Copa Comebol (para los terceros de cada pais).

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From: niese@fwi.uva.nl (Eddie Niese)
Subject: Re: Sao Paulo beats Barca. YEEEEEEEEHAAA!!!!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:06:46 GMT

PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:

>      I am very happy too!!!  When Barcelona loses, I am very happy!!!!!!!!!!
>Now, how can Real Madrid catch them in the league standings??
>      G O  R E A L  M A D R I D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
       GET REAL!!!, Madrid!

       If REAL MADRID is so good, how come REAL MADRID didn't play
       against Sao Paulo????!!! Crack your brains on that!!

       I think Barca played very well, so don't give us that crap
       about REAL MADRID. Sometimes I just think that you are not
       soccer-fans but just supporting a club because everyone does
       that. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy the game! It was good
       soccer from both teams. Once again Barca showed how beautiful
       soccer can be.... Do you love soccer or just hate Barca because
       that team is better than REAL MADRID??? GET REAL GUYS!

       Eddie.
       (AJAX-supporter & Brian Roy-fan!)
       (Brian: ieder doelpunt dat je maakt is er een tegen Louis!!!!)
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Subject: *SCOTTISH* predictions
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:29:06 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



here are the predictions for next saturdays matches.....

ABERDEEN V HIBS

A lot depends on the Aberdeen v Huns game on wednnesday. If the dons win it
then nothing short of a fearful gubbing looks in prospect for hibs. Even if the
dons lose to rangers, hibs will be lucky to get a point. The dons have jess,
shearer, booth etc up front, and hibs have er...um..

prediction: 5-0

DUNDEE V FALKIRK

A potentially high scoring game in prospect at dens, with both sides keen to
attack and both with bad defensive records. Dundee have dodds and gilzean up
front and den biemen who has also scored a couple this season, and always is
keen to take men on. Falkirk have a great strike force with drinkell.
mcallister, cadette and lennox playing well. Home advantage should be enough
for the dees.

prediction: 4-2

HEARTS V CELTIC

This is an interesting match, with hearts playing utter crap, and celtic being
very inconsistent these days. They seem to rely too heavily on mcstay and
collins. Celtic used to kick hearts all over the place in this fixture, but
hearts have recorded some useful results against celtic in recent times.

prediction: 1-1

MOTHERWELL V DUNDEE UTD

On the face of it, this looks like an extremely boring match, and with the home
side beginning to hit a bit of form, they could pull off a win here. United's
over use of the offside trap could prove their downfall against motherwell's
quick forwards.

prediction: 1-0

PARTICK V AIRDRIE

Another unexciting looking fixture, with both teams playing crap at present.

prediction: 0-0

RANGERS V ST JOHNSTONE 

Rangers have a tendency to regularly thrash st johnstone home and away, and
this one looks no different.

prediction: 4-1


 
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