HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings 2/2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:09:21 GMT

Of course, we all know this is garbage, but I want to respond to two allegations
included - the one below, and the allegation that we didn't go back to the 
Moon because we were sacred off.

joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)  writes:

>Professor:     But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

>Armstrong:     Naturally  - NASA was committed at that time,  and
>               couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was  a
>               quick scoop and back again.

Actually, the Apollo missions got longer and longer, up to a mission of three
days on the surface by Apollo 17.  The reason we didn't go back after that was
funding cuts from a government and public that no longer cared, not fear of
alien attack.

I believe the Lunar Orbiter pictures are available to the public.  If there are
huge bases there please feel free to find them.  Otherwise get a clue.

-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

	"Why put off 'til tomorrow what you're never going to do anyway?"
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:13:39 -0500 
From: Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: check this news out from clari


[ The F-B-I is looking into allegations the national security was put
at grave risk because of lax security at a NASA research center in
Mountain View, California. An internal review suggests the facility was
left open to spies.]


this is good news if we are to find out about some govt. ufo coverup 
I got this from clari.news.headlines bboard



Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:49:20 -0500 
From: Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Clari news bulletin

I got this newsclip from yesterday on clari.news.headlines


[ The F-B-I is looking into allegations the national security was put
at grave risk because of lax security at a NASA research center in
Mountain View, California. An internal review suggests the facility was
left open to spies.]

Does this have anything to do with ufo info and the govt. coverup of it,
or does this involve something else, any opinions??
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton)
Subject: FAQ Frequency.
Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:49:00 +0000

Considering the size of the FAQ, would it be better to post
it once a month instead of every two weeks ?
Any additions or amendments could be posted to the net on
their own when they're written and the full FAQ, integrating
those amendments, could be published when the next full-posting
was due.
Most newsgroups that have a FAQ publish it on the first day
of each month.
If there was an ftp site willing to carry it then it
would eliminate having to post it network-wide every time
someone asks "Is there a FAQ ?"
(Phoenix.oulu.fi perhaps ?)

-Sean.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: praveen@carina.unm.edu (parveen j seph.quintero sinaha)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:58:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

	Speaking of the gove'ment, why doesnt it appear more in
a.a.v.?  I mean, I would think the Trilaterists, CFR, MJ-12,
and the Bildeburgers would play a far more important role in this
group, seeing as if anything in this group is true, then it is 
probably likely dat they are REALLY screwing all of us over...
Just me, am I the only one paranoia about these groups enough 
to give a shit about them?  Gah... Oh well...
	Also speaking of which, is anybody on the net from
the civilian information network?  I heard about this group a
while back, and never did get in touch with them....
From: jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: I know why thier here!
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:28:19 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


In article <hitmantt.2b0i@terapin.com>, hitmantt@terapin.com (Harold Herndon) writes:
|> true. They will come in the year 2000. They love human meat they can find no
|> other meat so tender and juicy, and add Col. Sanders eleven herbs and spices
|> and they cannot resist. Beware human they ARE coming.."

Sorry to disappoint you, dude, but McDonalds has been selling franchises all
over the galaxy for years now.  The colonel bit the big one after they tried
his slogan "finger licking good" only to find out that most alien races do
not have any fingers to lick in the first place, and the phrase "idsfy licking
good" just doesn't have that ring...

Last I heard from Tral (he drops by occasionally) they are going to start
publication of "Weekly Galactic News" consisting entirely of articles by
our very own JW.  It seems the galactics like a good laugh as much as anyone
else...

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: corbisier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: hypnosis experimentation proof
Reply-To: corbisier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:36:15 GMT

In article <1ef1ghINNhgv@gap.cal tech.edu>, Carl J Lydnick writes:

:...REAL research has proven that "real" memories of things that 
:never happened can be produced via hypnosis.

Please name your sources, i.e. experimenters, location, dates, where
published, etc.  I am in the process of studying memory, hypnosis
and alien abduction, and to the best of my knowledge, there is no firm
proof about hypnosis either for or against.  I would be very interested
in knowing about these alleged studies you refer to.

Incidentally, what is "REAL" research?  Or fake research for that 
matter?  :)

Barb
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Wake up to reality
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov21.201400.21960@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.164138.23670@tamsun.tamu.edu> cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost) writes:
>
>I cannot disprove that a purple red wood with candy canes for leaves
>exists in Australia. However, that does not make it unreasonable
>to say that it does not exist. Without any proof an alien is in
>the same catagory as the purple redwood.
>
>john

PURPLE CANY-CANE REDWOODS are the secret 8TH signs of the APOCALYPSE
that will come from the planet XTHLU in the constellation MICROSCOPII,
as predicted by the great NOSTRADAMUS and confirmed by BUZZ ALDRIN'S
communication with the GREYS in 1969!!!!!!!!  I have PROOF I have
READ it in a BOOK written by INSIDE SOURCES who dare not reveal their
REAL NAMES because of the "MIBS" who are actually supercomplex ROBOTS
serving their HIDEOUS MASTERS' DARK BIDDING on EARTH!!!!!!!!

	Jason
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: Flying object sighting(s) from Las Vegas (?)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:36:42 GMT

harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com  writes:
> Having recently taken my first-ever trip to Las Vegas, I've 
> been thinking lately about a television show I saw within the
> last year (can't remember which one, exactly, but it was along
> the lines of HardCopy, Inside Edition, or Sightings), on which
> was shown some videotape of what appeared to be aerial objects
> maneuvering about very quickly in all sorts of quirky manners.
> It seems to me that this footage may have been taken from the
> Las Vegas area, as I do recall seeing some sort of city skyline
> and mountains in the distance.  Does anyone recall seeing this
> broadcast videotape also?  Was it taken from Las Vegas?  If so,
> when was this footage shot, and toward which direction from the
> city?

Yes, I remember the show.  It was a Sightings show from last year.  The show
was an hour long and was about UFO's, alien contact, mutilations, and etc.  
The clip you are referring to was shot in L.V. in early 1991 and showed 3
objects making high speed diving and ascending maneuvers in front of some 
mountains.  The time was about 6:22 in the evening.  I do not know for sure 
in which direction the footage was shot, but I believe since it was around
sunset and the sun seemed to be to the rear of the camera, it must have been 
to the east.
  

   Any idea of just how often "weird things" are seen/heard in
> the skies near the Las Vegas area, given its location in relation
> to the reputedly infamous Area 51?  Wasn't there also some local
> TV reporter there who was doing some digging around about UFOs in 
> the past couple years?

Yes.  His name is George Knapp with KLAS-TV.  Which I believe is out of L.V.


  Is he the one who shot the video? > 
I don't think so, It seemed as though it were done by an amature...

> I might mention also that the driver of the Hoover Dam tour bus
> I was on was fully aware of the Area 51 "legend", and made brief
> mention of it on the tour.  Being a 30-year resident of the area,
> he's been up toward that way a number of times.  He didn't mention
> whether he'd ever encountered anything unusual, however.  (But then,
> I really didn't press the matter.  Yet when I first mentioned about
> people seeing weird things in the skies up toward that way, he 
> immediately brought up Area 51 *by name*, even though I hadn't. 
> So I don't think the subject is anything new to LV denizens.....)
> 
As in the words of Col. Klink "Very interesting.... "  ;)


> 
>                                            H.R. Holm
> *comment my own, standard disclaimers;
>  pls post replies to the newsgroup only*


                                                Joseph A. Citro III
From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:08:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1992Nov10.135248.27454@netcom.com>, rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>    What is Bill Clinton position on the UFO activities and the
|> government of the USA?  Has anybody ever put the question to him?

I thought this was obvious!!!   Didn't you see him on the front page of
the newspaper with the grey??  It was in all the supermarkets, right up
there next to the check-out.

Boy, how could you have missed it??

bill

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
     bill@cs.uofs.edu         |  This space would be left intentionally blank
                              |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   
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From: esi102@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Magician)
Subject: Re: Monsters and Etc.
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:50:36 GMT

In article <69560@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Subject: Flying Whatsit.
>  What has a 40 foot windspan, flys and screams like  everything?  I don't 
>know either but they are seeing them down in Peru.  

Hmmm...............
This stikes me as the kind of story you would see in the Sport (an english
news/toilet-paper and or comic according to which industry you want to insult.

Where exactly did this story come from ?

>  This is me (John Winston) speaking now. Did you ever hear of such a thing in 
>your life? The next thing they will be saying is that these things are being 
>seen a little ways from Malibu, Calif. Well I never---.
>John Winston.

Thats what i thought.. next thing we know they'll be selling free range 
Tranasourus Rex eggs (sp?).

Tim.
esi102@uk.ac.cov.cck
Dreams fade, but nightmares last forever.

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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: hypnosis experimentation proof
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.203615.6541@news.cs.brandeis.edu> corbisier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <1ef1ghINNhgv@gap.cal tech.edu>, Carl J Lydnick writes:
>
>:...REAL research has proven that "real" memories of things that 
>:never happened can be produced via hypnosis.
>
>Please name your sources, i.e. experimenters, location, dates, where
>published, etc.  I am in the process of studying memory, hypnosis
>and alien abduction, and to the best of my knowledge, there is no firm
>proof about hypnosis either for or against.  I would be very interested
>in knowing about these alleged studies you refer to.

I do not have a citation, but I do remember reading of some research
about hypnosis.

Subjects were flashed (I assume slides) images of the back of a car.
The license plates were unreadable. It seems that the subjects would
recall a license number under hypnosis. I do not recall if it was some
or all. The conclusion I recall was that they would come up with the
numbers in order to please the hypnotist.

I am not trying to be vague, this is what I remember.
 
>Incidentally, what is "REAL" research?  Or fake research for that 
>matter?  :)

I would assume that this means peer reviewed and presumably cross-checked
by parties with no vested interest in the outcome. Cold Fusion did not
stand up too peer review. But then, research is still going on.

But then, I do not speak for Carl, and may be wrong.

>Barb


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:05:32 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov18.125755.1488@dct.ac.uk> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.181120.8910@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>> 
>> Nope.  Can't see 'em.  Can't see ANYTHING man-made from Earth orbit
>> and yes that includes the Great Wall of China.  (I'm speaking of
>> course of naked-eye viewing.  I doubt that the US gov't would take
>> kindly to us approaching them for .gifs of their spy satellite
>> photos, even if they are only of the pyramids ;-)
>
>I don't believe this. Leaving the great wall aside for a moment, what
>about some of the larger man made lakes? And by 'earth orbit' just how
>high? 
>-- 
>Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH

Yes, I have been corrected from several quarters so I will relent:
1. You can see man-made lakes from orbit, and
2. With certain photographic equipment and correct atmospheric
conditions you can see the Great Wall from a low orbit.
Sorry about the inconvenience:
	Jason

My addition to the Alien Race Race:
	The Biltshar, the most hated and feared race in the Galaxy
			because they are shaped like Ding Dongs!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:12:31 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:32:14 GMT, coakley@cch.coventry.ac.uk
>>>>> (Cpl.Flash ) said:

	Flash> looking at alien craft at the top of a crater?  	I
	Flash> think armstrong said something like "..my god there's
	Flash> hundreds 	of them". I'm not to sure because as i

No, no; he said 'Oh my god - it's full of stars!' - of course this was
cencored by the CIA. Dr Asimov, however, who was at that time involved
in a number of Top Secret projects, including the Philadelphia
project, later used it in his book '2001'. It's all there.

-Magnus

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: The Phobos II Incident
Keywords: Phobos II
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:19:57 GMT

In article <davidj.722042573@wrs.com> davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) writes:
>joseph.daniels%hombas@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)
>and usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) write:
>
>>You have a very impressive imagination if you can see all this in Viking
>>pictures.  There is no reason to think that anything on the surface of Mars
>>is artificial except for Vikings 1 and 2 and the remains of early Soviet
>>landers.
>
>Bzzzt!  Wrong.  There seems to be ample information to conclude that, indeed,
>not  only are there ancient ET cities on Mars, but underground cities as well
>and, according to a U.S Army General (retired), that I was with, he said that
>there  is  clear  evidence  of mechanical devices on the surface of Mars, and
>that they are moving.  Tell me, how many pictures did Viking take?  How  many
>have  been  released  to the the public (we paid for them didn't we?). Again,
>the real issue is a government that lies to it's people.  If they would  only
>tell the Truth...
>

Viking took hundreds if not thousands of photographs.  All are archived
and available for research.  Most of them are available on a set of six
CDROM's for 6$ a disk.  I know, I have them.
 
Other than a pile of dirt which in two pictures "kinda" looks like a pile
of dirt, what evidence do you have?

If there really were mechanical devices roaming mars, there would be
some very excited scientist out there.

--
====
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: I know why thier here!
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

I think we should include this section in every alt.alien.visitors
post from now on.  But I think we should put it at the TOP!!!

	Jason
	The Dsylexia Si Your Freind Foundtaion
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: A letter to Clinton/Gore
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:10:01 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)

From article <422800034@peg.pegasus.oz.au>,
golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au has written:
+--------------------
| Instead of your IMHO's why don't you get off your dorkus & write a
| personal ltr to the Pressie yo self?
+--------------------

	It takes the work of many people to effectively deal with this
	sensitive issue.  It would be far better for the 'Pressie' (nice
	terminology) to receive 1 _good_ serious letter to consider,
	rather than several letters which require editing and other work
	to consider.

	I'm sorry if you have a problem with this.

+--------------------
| As for Jefferies post...good on'm....in addition we've got plenty
| of secret government to get to ourselves....so let's get to work.
+--------------------

	I'm sure your suggestions will be welcomed and considered.  But
	please... understand that a group effort is necessary, otherwise
	sit back and observe.  You might learn something.

+--------------------
| If half the population of the planet would stand-up and get on
| with it...the rest would follow!
+--------------------

	Sigh.

	Forrest

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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants... IN BED!
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:41:49 GMT
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia


kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>
>Barangus!  Mondo bazoomo!  Wox wox wox oggle grebbly nad bork bork bock
>fnord egrep roff gnogin fsck zowie, ecky-THUMP!
>
>Please post a Solar Max dictionary so we can learn to communicate.
>							-- K.

Who are you kidding! They'll never talk to you after insulting their
(three and half) mothers like that!



-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Re: A letter to Clinton/Gore
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:05:08 GMT


   I really like your letter to Clinton/Gore.  My only concern is 
about the timing.  Should you send it now or wait until our new
President has tackled some of the more important issues.

   I think you should wait a little while because at the moment
he has bigger fish to fry.

    However, I think it would be ok to send it to Al Gore.  The
message it self would be an example of the kind of interaction with
the public his "Digital Highway" will bring about.


-- 
            
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com

  "No creature with the right values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Auras
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:34:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I am wondering if Kathie has had a chance to seperate the 
ghost from the auras on her TV set. You have us in suspense.
John Winston.
From: aarons@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Viewing Great Wall From Space [was Re: Monuments of Mars]
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:42:18 GMT
 <1992Nov17.044222.12323@odin.corp.sgi.com> <1992Nov17.181120.8910@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov17.181120.8910@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.044222.12323@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>>
>> >> |> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars
>>
>>
>>What about the Nazca(sp?) Lines in South America?  They have to be viewed
>>from very high above the ground as well.  BTW what do our own pyramids look
>>like from orbit? Any gifs that anyone knows about?
>>
> 
> Nope.  Can't see 'em.  Can't see ANYTHING man-made from Earth orbit
> and yes that includes the Great Wall of China.  (I'm speaking of
> course of naked-eye viewing.  I doubt that the US gov't would take
> kindly to us approaching them for .gifs of their spy satellite
> photos, even if they are only of the pyramids ;-)
> 
> 	Jason

Actually, the Great Wall of China *can* be seen with the naked eye. I have 
seen a normal (i.e. no magnification, flash (just kidding on the last 
one!)) photograph of Earth from space, and it did show the Great Wall, 
although it was quite dim. Of course, we all know that it wasn't built 
with space people in mind.....(unless there's something I don't know about)

I am also guessing that you meant things that aren't illuminated, like cities,
'cos they can be seen at night. 
							Have fun,
							Aaron G. Stock
-- 
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aarons@yang.earlham.edu | Peter Gabriel Fan and Abalone Player
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Out Planet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:55:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

My Dear Joseph: Me thinkest Thou doth attemptest to pull my leg.
John Winton.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: skar@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Keith M. Skar)
Subject: Info Needed Part 2
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:18:19 GMT
Organization: Minot State University -- Minot, ND.

I'm still looking for a FAQ for this group, I havent been
able to find one and I believe that there is one floating
out there somewhere.  So could somebody please either send
me a copy (if they have it handy) or show me a ftp site where
I might be able to find it.  How often is it posted.

Thanks

Keith
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