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From: milton@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Milton W. Kuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Choices?
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:22:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Apr3.224117.15739@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>The majority of people in China approve of the maintenance of
>Communist files on the Chinese.  If a single individual disapproves,
>then no files should be maintained.  However, files are maintained
>regardless of what a person wants.  This is consistent with what I said.

     If the majority of people in China approve of the maintenance of
these files, then how can you say it's barbaric?  Does that mean that
George Bush being president is barbaric because those people who vot-
ed for Dukakis are  stuck with a president  whom they did not approve
of?   Regardless of what the Dukakis supporters wanted, they ended up
getting Bush.  Is this barbaric?

     You've goofed it here, Mr. Joe.  By stating that the MAJORITY of
the Chinese APPROVE of the  maintenance of files, you cannot say that
it is barbaric.   If the majority disapproved of such practices, then
I would concur with you.  However, such is not the case.

>Again, as I've said before and as the article states, the majority of
>Chinese have favored the maintenance of these files for centuries even
>before the advent of communism.  This indicates a behavior inherent in
>the culture--a barbaric culture, at that.

     Yes, all  Chinese are barbarians and  Western culture isn't.  Do
you really believe that the CIA doesn't have a secret file on you?  I
would say that in the US, there are plenty  of files on you which you
don't know about.   How about the  files on you  which prove to be so
very useful to junk mailers?  I would say that's an unwanted invasion
of privacy.  Is that barbaric?

-- 
Milton W. Kuo
milton@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: mds4101@rigel.tamu.edu (SZETO, MARVIN DEAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:38:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <11999@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes...
>In article <69988@ut-emx.uucp>, vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi) 
writes:
[comments about wanting to date asian girl delted]

>|> 	This friend just asked me to FORGET THE GIRL. He told me that
>|> no Oriental girl will go for an Indian.

Andrew Chin says:
>Good deal!  Now if only we can get the CM's to consult us first, too....

My advice to Vishram is to ask the girl out, but be prepared for rejection.
No matter what happens between you and this girl, keep your confidence and
keep trying.  If you keep on trying, eventually something positive will happen.

At one point in my life, I felt sorry for myself and was sure that CF's had
a bias against AM's.  However, I have met some CF's who I would definitely call
Asiophiles.  My point is that I was making my conclusions on a small sample
size of women with similar backgrounds.  Here at A&M there's a larger pool of
women than I've been exposed to and some have more liberal attitudes about
interacial dating.  Just the other day, Andrew and I were having lunch when a
CF overheard our conversation and started talking to us.

In conclusion, I say that every case is different and you should never be afraid
of trying (and possibley failure).  After all, what would life be like if we
never took a chance and had some failures to dwell on.  

Marvin Szeto
Texas A&M Class of 1992

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Will America fall?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:40:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr8.005256.4868@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
->...
->As I've said before, the model minority concept might apply to
->the Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans, but it certainly doesn't
->apply to Chinese-Americans.  A visit to Chinatown should convince
->you.  (I've been told by a couple of Chinese to stay away from
->Chinatown, a very unsafe place--"thanks" to Chinese culture.)

Yes.  I used to go to Chinatown and am hesitant to go there now.
There are many gang related incidents.  However, even though some
of the gang members are Chinese, I believe most of them are
Vietnamese.  I was in Chinatown when one gang incident occurred
where it resulted in one death and one injured.  The next day the
newspaper reported that it was related to Chinese gangs.  But I
knew for sure that even those gang members spoke some Chinese,
they spoke with heavy Vietnamese accent.  Yeah, since you hate
Chinese culture so much, you can always try to blame everything on
Chinese culture.

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Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: Jae.Kwak@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jae Kwak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: African-American vs. Korean-American
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:12:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Point well made and taken.

Happa haole.. sounds like a PUnahouian.... or more precisely
a buff and puff in the face bluer...hehe

JS Kwak
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From: gt6281b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Hicks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:05:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <upsi1.703113185@mcl> upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) writes:
>
>Well, I went to Chinatown in SF about two weeks ago during my spring break.
>I don't seem to remember having to duck a hail of gunfire from a Mac-10 or
>Uzi. 


Too bad I can't say the same thing about downtown Atlanta at night!  My 
school is near the projects and not a night goes by where there isn't 
shooting, police sirens, and ambulance sirens.  And when I was a freshman
a couple friends of mine had to duck behind a wall 'cause some lunatic
was spraying the area with bullets from his automatic.  No joke.


So personally, I'd much rather walk around Chinatown at night than Atlanta.


-John
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop because It's There)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: China never as prosperous as Europe?
Keywords: predestination
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:29:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com



	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Mr. Kemnitz is doing what basically many people
	> who identify with Chinese culture like to do.  Namely, in reponse
	> to the charge that Chinese society is inferior to the West, they
	> reach back centuries ago to find some point in time at which 
	> the Chinese did okay for that period of history.

Which is also what you are doing, you refuse to accept China's accomplishments
yet you only focus on a certain period of Western history without also
focusing on their less than stellar accomplishments at other points in time.

As always, you change the rules of the game so that you appear the winner.

	Melinda
From: sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Americans in Sports
Date: 28 Mar 92 16:53:59 GMT
Reply-To: sedayao@chopin.intel.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Mar27.201319.12056@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:

> We are writing an article for the Ohio State University Asian
> American Voice (a newsletter/magazine) about famous Asian
> Americans in sports -- Kristi Yamaguchi, Michael Chang, Sammy Lee
> -- with the intent to break the "nerd" stereotype and to educate
> the public.  If anyone has any specific or special information
> (or sources) on these people, it will be greatly appreciated.

> We are also interested in how these people are involved in the
> Asian American and mainstream community. Has anyone heard any
> recent news on Michael Chang? What are the latest accomplishments
> of Michael Chang?  What are the future tournaments that he plans
> to compete in? Does anyone know what Sammy Lee is doing now?

As I recall from the local papers here, Kristi Yamaguchi was active
in her local Buddhist church.  I remember seeing her in commercials
on the local Japanese channel.  Also, her church and a local JACL
chapter held fundraisers to help send her to competitions. 

One of the best sumo wrestlers is American (which causes some consternation 
in Japan).

Frankly, I don't think that having famous Asian American sports celebrities
is important.  It is far more important that Asian Americans who are not
famous are involved in sports or some vigorous physical activity.
Sedentary lifestyles kill many Americans.  Fortunately, there are many
Asian Americans involved with sports.  I see tennis centers full of Asian
Americans.  When I go running along trails, I usually see other Asian
Americans running also.  There are always Asian Americans participating
when I do fun runs.  To me, that is a more important (and healthy) way for 
Asian Americans to be in sports.

> Thanks in advance,

> Wataru

-- 
Jeff Sedayao
Intel Corporation
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From: upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:13:05 GMT
Distribution: na

In <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:
>Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years ago?
>I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
>to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
>fire.  [wry :-)]

Well, I went to Chinatown in SF about two weeks ago during my spring break.
I don't seem to remember having to duck a hail of gunfire from a Mac-10 or
Uzi.  I doubt that you will have trouble in Chinatown if you're going during
the day.  Now, the nights could be a different story since I haven't been
there @ night for about 4 years since my folks live about 25 miles south
of SF.  But just to be safe, I'd wear a suit made out of Kevlar since the
gangs don't use armor piercing ammunition, YET :)


--
Mathew Wayne Yee
upsi1@mcl.ucsb.edu              or                    psi1@engrhub.ucsb.edu
"This life is a test - it is only a test.  If this had been an actual life,
 you would have been told where to go and what to do!"
From: tse@Apple.COM (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American Food (?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: tse@apple.com
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
|In article <64727@apple.Apple.COM> tse@apple.com writes:
|->tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
|->>I think another name for crispy noodles is "Hong Kong style chow mein".
|->>So they are probably not "American".  Also, I think "lo mein" is not 
|->>fried, so it's not "chow mein".
|->
|->"lo mein" is with boiled noodles
|->mixed (or lo'ed, as it were) with a meat sauce.  
|Are we talking about the same "lo mein" here?  To my understanding, "lo"
|seems to mean "taking things out of water".   

Hmmm... I think you are confusing between "loh", which means to mix,
and "lowl" (sort of rhymes with "owl"), which is to fish things out of
water.

|So the "lo mein" that I've
|seen is just having noodles separated from the soup.  I didn't see any
|meat source.  It tastes worse than normal noodle yet cost more.  

I am slightly incorrect here.  Generally, one loh's one's mein with
either a stewed meat dish (typically some kind of stewed beef or beef
organs) or with a sauce (usually the ubiquitous oyster sauce).

You are right that merely separating the noodles from the soup would be
quite senseless.  This is why it is not done that way.  Do give the
cooks some credit.  (Joke:  Man goes to doctor and says, "It hurts when
I do X."  Doctor replies, "Then don't do X." :-)

(BTW, I am sorry for the rather late reply.  I've been busy.)

-- 
Gary Tse 	     tse@Apple.COM || tse@soda.Berkeley.EDU 	 (408) 862-5452
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: AA ministers and churches
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:10:19 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

Another new thread from my unravelling mind:

1.  Have you ever attended a church service led by an AA minister?
       Are you a member of a church with an AA minister?
       Are you a member of a church with a non-AA minister?

2.  Do you know of any AA ministers who lead mainstream/non-AA churches?

3.  How would you characterize the AA minister?
       Which generation is s/he?
       Is s/he an effective leader of the congregation?  the local
          AA community?  the general community?
       Is s/he an effective witness of the Gospel?
       Is s/he respected among the leaders of mainstream churches?
       Given the pragmatic materialism of most AAs, is the minister
          respected as a role model for the congregation?

4.  Are services conducted in both English and an Asian language?
       How does the content of the services compare?

5.  Is the content of the services relatively "watered down" for new
       Christians/new English-speakers?
       If so, what effect does this have?

My responses:

1.  I'm a member of an otherwise all-white church.
    I've been to Chinese [Chinese-American] churches led by Chinese-American
    ministers.
    My sister (fourth-generation) attended seminary.

2.  No.

3.  The ministers were first-generation.
    IMO, the ministers lacked leadership skills; the real leadership came
       from the local AA "Chamber of Commerce" that comprised the session
       of the church.
    Some of the ministers were very poor witnesses of the Gospel.
    The church had not gained widespread acknowledgement or respect.
    "Good, upstanding families" attending the church, and not the ministers,
       served as the primary role models for the congregation.

4.  The services were conducted in both English and Chinese.  The hymnal
       was bilingual.  My bilingual friends have told me the content of
       the services is identical.

5.  Yes.
    This (as well as my observations in 3) had the effect of alienating
       me from AA churches in general.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:41:18 GMT

In article <kum64oINN5re@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop because It's There) writes:
>
>
>	clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) :
>	>  This is the only newsgroup where people have flamed me.  
>	>  I don't know why I bother, but I guess I do want to keep up 
>	>  with what other Asian Americans are up to.  :-(
>
>I've run across this attitude in numerous newsgroups. Why do people
>get so upset over flames across the net? It's not like they don't ever get
>criticized when they have face-to-face conversations with other people so
>why be put off with flames from people you've never actually met? People
>should be more thick-skinned.

I hope that most people do not criticize so rudely when they are in person.
How long is someone going to sit and listen to you say his culture is "vile
and virulent," for example?

Despite Dwight's claim of being separated from the rest of the world, it is
not so unlikely that you have or will meet some of these people.  My skin
will never be so thick that it can repel a knife blade or bullet.  And, yes,
I do occasionally get such threats from people.  Fortunately, they have not
been carried out--yet.

>Clare, I'm glad you're going to stick with this newsgroup. It'd be
>unfortunate to lose a female voice since there are already so few
>in this newsgroup. 

I'm glad she sticks with the newsgroup, too, though I disagree with the
attitude I read in her posts.
From: gdsimpson@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: African-American vs. Korean-American
Date: 31 Mar 92 21:04:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Mar31.170422.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <MDAY.92Mar29181608@pion.lcs.mit.edu>, mday@pion.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
> 
>    Jae.Kwak@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jae Kwak) writes:
> 
>    I'm not a racist because to  be a
>    racist you must be in a position of authority to deprive those who are
>    the subject of your prejudice.  I have neither authority nor am I of any
>    majority who can collectively surpress another race.
> 
> This is not the first time that this "I can't be racist because I'm
> not in power" view has appeared in this newsgroup, and it still seems
> like nonsense to me.  Is this theory being independently invented, or
> are all of these people reading some book that I don't know about?

      I just wanted to make a small point here. The definitions of words depend
 only on how a particular community use them. If Black political scientists use
 the six letters 'racist' in conversation to mean prejudice+plus power, then
 that is their right as long as they make clear that is what they have in mind. 
	One reason that you might want to use the word 'racism' in that way, is 
 that it sets up an important distinction between those 'prejudiced' people who
 are actually able to have a seriously harmful effect on society, and those who
 are not in a position to do anything about their situation. It is important to
 make a distinction between those who can weild government policy against Black
 people Asians and LAtinos (e.g. immigration officials, social policy makers) 
 and Black people sitting on a corner talking about 'this peckerwood' or even
 white unemployed/working class people who feel powerless and so end up blaming 
 the Zionist Occupational gevoernemnt for their misery.
	If you want to look sharply, carefully and critically at race relations
 and the political power that is operative, then the definition of racism=
 prejudice+power is going to be the most useful.   
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From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: culture, heritage
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:48:03 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <HIEBELER.92Apr11141811@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>In article <s3d50INN8pq@agate.berkeley.edu> chrchan@ocf.berkeley.edu (Christopher S. Chan) writes:
>>    I guess I wasn't advocating racial purity as much as I was trying
>>    to encourage people to recognize and reclaim their heritages, even
>>    whites, who I think should try to embrace their European
>>    backgrounds.  I think it would add a great deal to this country.
>
>  Just as with Nth-generation Asian Americans, I think it is kind of
>pointless to encourage Nth-generation European Americans to reclaim
>"their" heritage.  My name is German; I believe my ancestors came from
>Austria/Hungary, quite a long time ago.  I know practically nothing
>about those cultures.  For me to suddenly "reclaim" those cultures
>seems kind of meaningless -- I might as well "reclaim" French culture
>or Irish culture, or any other one that I pick at random.  I wasn't
>born knowing German and wasn't raised with anything I would identify
>as "European culture" at home (in fact I even had to ask a German guy
>what my last name means, since no one in my family knows).

	Nth-generation Asian Americans?  N must be = to 1 or 2.
Eureopean culture is difficult to preserve purely in US since American
culture is a mixture of verious European cultures.  Besides, A new 
European emigrant may look as "American" is it can be.  But an Asian
always look Asian.  Asian culcure is also much easier to be preserved
considering the cultural differences.  The existence of the Asian 
communities (et, Chinatown, Japantown, etc.) is evident of the cultural
gap.  They also help to preserve the Asian cultures.
	I agree that it's meaningless to "reclaim" the lost culture.

>  In fact, over the past few years, I have decided that I will
>"reclaim" Chinese culture.  It's my decision, right?  So I am learning
>Chinese language and culture, and greatly enjoying it so far.

	Interesting analogy.  Maybe I'll consider "reclaim"_ing German
culture.  :)

>  I don't agree that someone's culture has to give.  People of two
>different cultures can actually get along well, even if neither one
>"sacrifices" their own culture. 

	Agree.  Why not "marry" the two cultures and produce a new one.
Isn't that how mixbloods are created?  Or is it that one gene "sacrifices"
itself.	  :)

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