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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Unleaded conversions (Shovelhead)
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:55:10 GMT


>I heard from a guy recently that the valve seats in a shovel could be
>hardened by heat-treating them (in the head). Is this advisable?
>I need to convert mine so I can run unleaded.  Is it expensive to
>get the seats replaced? What are good valves/guides to use?
 
     Hardening requires the steel to be heated to a cherry red all
the way through followed by rapid chilling to below 200 degrees F.
It seems like this would do gawdawful things to iron heads, and
even worse to aluminum. To get the hardness needed to withstand the
paint thinner they are now calling gas (I have heard) they are using
a different alloy, so it would be better to change them anyway.	Is
there anything that's NOT expensive these days? Manley makes a very
good unleaded valve, so do a number of others. I have been told (and
read) various opinions on valve guides. The 2 leading recomendations
are bronze and steel. Hardly anyone recomends the in between iron
variety.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: POW/MIA T-shirts
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:14:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: doh 13!
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:32:40 GMT

> (John Makel) writes:
>>Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........
>>
 Hey!!!!! I've got that one already!!!!! (wanna buy it???)
> 
> (try 666 John...............)
> 
> Eddie Kieger, doh #0000000013
> DOD # 291743377 <- ask me about THIS one!!!!

> Eddie,  I have had the number 13 in more ways than you can imagine, and for
> over 27 years, I thought that some of the older riders would relate to
> it a little


Let's see... A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, ......oh shit, I forget the rest, must be
that short-term memory loss! 

Michael Menard
doh 0000000003
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:39:39 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:

>Carl - do you think maybe you could ride Bill over here to the Seattle
>area before you do this, then let Shannon and I try him out so she can
>see what I'm looking forward to so much?  It's a good excuse to ride, 
>right?

True.  I'm trying to arrange to come over for the motorcycle show in
mid-January.  I haven't worked out yet what to do about those little
inconvenient "tire chains required" areas in Snoqualomie(?) pass.

Alas, I fear Bill is going to Jon & Janice's garage this weekend, with
Stabil in the tank, MMO in the cylinders and 45lbs air in the tires.
State Farm will graciously reduce my premium by about $40 for taking the
months of January and February off.

Let's talk in March :-)
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG         | "The good news is that Clinton will have to
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA |  work very hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439        |  of economic policy.  The bad news is that he
 Mail: carlp@mail.isc-br.com   |  will probably manage to do so." - Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Harley Golf Cart
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:32:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <86ou02gZ2fQ501@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:

>Hell, the biggest dealer in the Cleveland area sells HD golf carts 
>too. It's a legacy from the AMF days (ya know, the "sport & 
>leisure company"). I think they combined the AMF golfcart mfg. with the 
>HD stuff cause they are similar types of products (PLEASE don't flame 
>me on this guys, from an engineering standpoint it IS true - they 
>are both vehicles.....at least they don't make bowling balls in the 
>Milwaukee engine plant....... :-)

>Later, Eddie

THEY DON'T ??????

("I'm from Milwaukee, and I oughta know, It's Blatz, Blatz, Blatz.....
sorry! wrong commercial)

8)

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re:  question on FLH starter system
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:31:01 GMT

>I have 1974 FLH electric start. I'm going back to the stock electrical
>system. (the bozo before me had this big goofy push button switch near the
>coil, to energize the starter) I want it back up on the right handlebar 
>where it belongs.


>Here are my questions:

>1.      I have the Prestolite starter. Is there a difference between the two
>        starter "systems", or just the starters themselves?

     They are the same. Only the size and shape and power of the
electric motor is different. The Toshiba starter is smaller diameter
and a little longer.

>2.      Is the starter relay "built-in-to" the starter solenoid, or do I
>        have to mount it separately and go through all this illogical cable
>        routing to achieve my purpose? 

    The part you want is a little 3 wire box maybe 2" X 1 1/2 X 3/4
to go between the pushbutton and the small terminal on the solenoid.

You could use an automotive horn relay with no problem. You need
a wire to the switch, one to the ignition switch (so the starter
will only work when the engine can start. Best is to take it off
the coil side of the kill switch so you just wonder what's wrong
with the starter instead of running down the battery wondering
why it won't start **) and one to the solonoid. I don't remember
whether the solenoid control terminal has to be switched to ground
or +12 volts, but experimenting won't hurt it, it will either work
or do nothing. 
    Note that later model electric starts require the relay coil
to be grounded, as the button takes 12 volts from the kill switch
instead of grounding the relay.

    The confusion about solenoid vs relay is because the solenoid
acts as a relay in that it switches the starter on after it engages
the gear.

 ** On some later engines, it is better to connect the relay power
supply wire to the ignition switch side of the kill switch. This is
because the ignition timing causes the engine to kick back against
the starter. In this case, you first hit the start button Then, 
after the starter is up to speed, turn the kill switch to "run". 

BTW: Careful cleaning and lubing of the linkage that engages the starter
gear is required. Bad things can happen if this sticks.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:51:05 GMT

In article <carlp.724103077@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec10.144112.1030@hemlock.cray.com> rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James K. Rye) writes:
>>>
>>>Finally! a group that gives great attitude. DOH # 0069.
>
>>doh-heads always use lowercase acronyms.
>>doh designations are 10 digits.
>>you are disqualified.
>
>>in the future we may consider allocation of #0000000068 and owing you one...
>
>>the doh doesnt need attitude while it has me...
>
>Oh, Hell, Ken - I guess I'll take doh #0000001340.  I was gonna ignore
>this and hope it went away, but if everybody's gonna get one, I might
>as well get a GOOD one while there's some left.

Just wanted to try out my new number. Its a little tight in the
crotch but I think I'll keep it.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
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From: rstewart@megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Subject: Re: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
Reply-To: rstewart@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:15:48 GMT

In article <_6l2kcc@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>Does anybody out there have a list of the M.S.R.P's of the 
>'93 sportster line? 
>I know there was big price increase in the bare bones 883, but i figured
>the reason was it now came with a belt.
>
>
>--------------------------------
>J.R. Ordon   '80 CB750C
>
>Standard Disclaimers apply

A local dealer quoated
	1993 XLH 883  = $6000 out the door in California
	1993 XLH 1200 = $8300 out the door in California

What were the '92 prices?
-Rich
-- 
  rstewart@megatek.com
From: car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Summary: Robert's Rules of Order
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:08:41 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec11.025131.19925@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
> In article <22783@drutx.ATT.COM> car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC) writes:
> +Duly recorded, and here is The Expected Response (tm):
> +
> +We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you.
> 
> WRONG!  That is the dod expected response.  The doh expected response is:
> We could tell you, but then we'd make you ride a Honda!

This is what comes of missing the organizational meetings, Paul.  

Tsk, tsk.

"We could tell you, but then we'd make you ride a Honda!" is now the
expected response for the question, "What's so special about Harleys?"

The previous answer to "What's so special about Harleys?", i.e.,
"If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand," has been reassigned
to the ever-popular question, "What's so special about bruised
knuckles and the smell of 50-weight on your hands?"

"WRONG!" is now the answer to, "Darn, we just can't seem to come
up with a good answer for this Harley performance question; why don't
we ask Randy about it?"

And just to keep everyone up to date on recent developments, the
answer to "What organizational meeting?" is: "Organizational meeting??
ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING??? We don't need no steenkin' organizational
meeting!!"

Actually, being corrected on a question of expected responses by
the author of, "Nobody expects the Flamish Inquistion!!!" is rather
a feather in my helmet, eh?

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
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From: igregory@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ivan.w.gregory)
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Keywords: Harley 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.193133.13368@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
>>> Great I hate hondas, so I guess I'll take #0000000005.
>>
>>Finally! a group that gives great attitude. DOH # 0069.
>
>
>   Ok, if your ging to be like that and take my favorite number,
>give me     00000000074.0000
>
>Ed Campbell
>
>'57 FLH
>'76 XLCH
>'54 GA
>
>

Gosh, if Ed has no shame then I won't either.  May it please the court,
petitioner requests #0000000666.

Ivan ...'91 FXR


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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Why are Harleys called Hogs?
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:20:21 GMT

>I was just curious as to why Harleys are called Hogs, does anyone happen to
>know?

    This started back when, relative to the Limey bikes that were
popular then, Harleys were big, mean snortin' gruntin' mothers.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"Hard asses ride hardtails"
			Roaddirt  1958
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:58:40 GMT


>But just imagine how our image could be helped if you didn't lane split at all.

    If you follow the CHP guidelines ( no more than 15mph faster than
traffic, no more than 30mph) white lining (the proper term, or at
least the original) greatly improves the "image" because you don't
cause traffic jams by having your engine overheat and seize in the
middle of the freeway or getting rearended by some idiot who is too
busy playing with his phone or reading the paper to look outside.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother, 1943
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From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:57:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.185943.27163@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>
>>Is it really legal, or just tolerated?  My understanding is that it is NOT
>>legal, but the authorities tolerate it.  Somebody have any actual code 
>>references that they can site.
>
>It is in fact legal in California. 

There must be an FAQ on this somewhere, but let me expand on this from
how I understand it.  

It is not legal.  It is also not illegal. So Mike is right, it is just
tolerated.  It is actually encouraged by some officers, depending on
whom you talk to, since it reduces the chance of rear end collisions. 
If I recall correctly, it is not tolerated in Marin County.


-- 
Michael Bain                                            (206) 234-6942
Boeing Commercial Airplane Group           meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com
Seattle, WA 98124

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: question on FLH starter system
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:58:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Here's my situation:

I have 1974 FLH electric start. I'm going back to the stock electrical
system. (the bozo before me had this big goofy push button switch near the
coil, to energize the starter) I want it back up on the right handlebar 
where it belongs.
All my manuals, parts book, diagrams, and everyone I've talked to (so far)
tell me you need a starter relay. I'm told it mounts under the battery
bracket. The thing is....the starter relay I bought (Custom Chrome) looks
identical to the starter solenoid mounted on the upper part of the primary
case. Plus that means I need to run 4 gauge battery cable from the      
positive battery post, underneath to the relay, then over to the other side
of the bike to the solenoid, then back to the starter on the right side again.
This doesn't seem logical to me. Both the "solenoid" and the relay have two
large posts, and one small one. And, through all this cable routing, I need
to clear the clutch lever and cable.

Here are my questions:

1.	I have the Prestolite starter. Is there a difference between the two
	starter "systems", or just the starters themselves?

2.	Is the starter relay "built-in-to" the starter solenoid, or do I
	have to mount it separately and go through all this illogical cable
	routing to achieve my purpose? 

3.	Why the fuck can't anyone at a bike shop tell me what's up with this?
	I suspect because most of them have kickers.

Very frustrated,

Matthew

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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Softail comfort
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:43:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec04.213406.15873@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|
|     This is the reason for the soft female on the p-pad, a great
|back rest. 8-). 

Well, the thing is, it's the seat ridge, and the fact that cruisers
(sorry to use that term, if it pisses on anyone?  Is there a better
one to differentiate the average HD position from, say, a Sportster
Upright?) force my pelvis forward by pushing on my tailbone.  Because
of an old riding accident, that just doesn't work for me.  I need to
have my pelvis back a bit, with the weight on my, uh, gee, I just
ran out of anatomy terminology, well, just forward, like riding a
horse.

|You might like to try one of the Harley models with
|footboards instead of pegs, they give a lot of space for shuffling
|your feet around on a long trip. 

It's not the bent knees that hurt, it's the butt.

|I have the opposit problem, due to
|an old knee injury, I can't ride for much over 400 - 500 miles with
|my feet tucked back.

Yeah, well, if I had that problem, I would probably be riding a
Harley. :-)

|    That is one of the great things about Harleys, there are enough
|factory and aftermarket parts to rearrange the riding position that
|they can be made to fit nearly everyone. 

Is it possible to get a, say, (let's see if I get this right) FXST-Sp
(is that right?, the sport-touring BT that the Jap mags like) so that
the bars are far enough forward to slant the body forward a bit, like
on BMW K bikes?  I think you are saying that you can get rearsets to
move the feet back if necessary.  I'm not looking for a tuck, or a
long reach to the bars, but just a forward balance.

See, the bike I ordinarily ride has that seating position, and I just
love it.  I can ride on it forever, where some other seating makes me
scream for mercy after 1/2 hour.  One of the things that I would need
in a Harley would be a position similar to that.

|It's too bad they outlawed
|"ape hangers" in most states, I suspect you wuold find them extreemly
|comfortable once you got used to them.

Well, there is a limit to how goofy I will look, just for comfort.

:-)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:42:13 GMT


>  Hey Ed,
>
>  Find me something in my posts were I was praising my bike or knocking
>Harleys. The parody thing you got. No I don't have a problem with
>American products, all my cars have small blocks.

    You are not the only one posting here, the shoe was intended
to be worn by those whom it fits.


>  I don't knock any bike, or the people that ride them, cause I've had
>lots of different bikes and rode with lots of different people. I lost
>my blind faith brand loyalty way early when I found out that any guy
>with a job (little lone professional) could only be dork boy in a club
>and took the opportunity to explore.

      Wrong club then. Over the years I have been a member of a
number of clubs. Except for the one we formed when I was in high
school, the only members who might fit the stereotypical never
employed, no visible means of support nomad image promoted by
the media were 4 lawyers and an artist.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
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From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:59:05 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec14.221337.17912@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:


>>Yugo orphans are kids whose parents were killed by being run over
>by a Yugo?

>    Some are kids whose parents went to the market 4 or 5 years ago
>in a Yugo and haven't made it back yet.

Hence, the name......

"Yugo"
....but yu don't come back!

Yo! Whatzup Ed?
Got a problem with my FLH......read on.
Matthew

>Ed Campbell

>'57 FL
>'76 XLCH
>My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

>*************************************************************
>   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
>    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
>    touch my Henderson!"
>                        Grandmother 1936
>=============================================================
> 

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:35:43 GMT

 
>The dealer I'm getting my 1200 from told me his mechanics had done several
>of the 883 to 1200 conversions, but had problems with the bikes vibrating
>even more than a factory 1200.  They ended up splitting the cases on the
>bike to rebalance the crank.

      Any time you make major changes to the displacement of an
engine, it should be balanced. The appearant forces caused by
accilerating the piston/rod assembly vary with speed, so it
is necessary to make sure the shop doing the ballance work
knows the rpm range at which the engine will normally be
operated. A big bore engine intended to run at 5000 - 6500
rpms will not be happy if it was balanced to run at 10,000.

Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
			Racer Brown  1954
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From: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:55:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <37728@cbmvax.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>Well, I made the plunge!  Put a down-payment on a '93 Saphire Blue FXDL
>Dyna Low Rider.  Will be picking it up at the Harley York plant on March
>5th.  Hope it will be good day for riding!
>
>No more a wannabe and soon-to-be worthy to be a member of HOG.
>
>- Jerry

Congrats, Jerry!  BTW did you order it from one of the local dealers? (Media,
Eagle, Norristown, Langhorne, . . .)?

George
ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
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