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From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: Universities in India
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:40:34 GMT

This is in response to John McCarthy's question whether there are any
universities in modern India that aren't based on the Western systems.
McCarthy had made clear that he was well aware of the existence of 
universities in ancient India, and was also asking about universities
for secular education (thereby excluding the madrasas, viharas and 
peethams etc.)  Someone promptly, but not quite correctly, answered 
that all Indian universities were based on the Western model.  I was
hoping that (with the large volume of "nationalist-traditionalist"
postings that are currently dominant,  and a substantial Bengali readership
of this newsgroup, at least some of which comprises Tagore fanatics)
someone would point out at least two such prominent educational
institutions -- the Gurukuls and Vishwa Bharati.  The former, probably
the best places to learn Sanskrit and Hindi, apart from a rich education
in old Indian literature and culture, are definitely not in the Western
mould.  Vishwa Bharati, Tagore's institution in Shanti Niketan Bengal,
is not fully on the western model -- it is an interesting hybrid.

Interestingly, the ashram system of education found favour with one
of the greatest architects of the last hundred years -- Frank Lloyd Wright.
Taliehasen (spelling) in the midwest and Taliehasen West in Scottsdale,
Arizona were (and still are, I guess) ashrams of education.

Regards,
Sanjiva
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,news.groups
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Creation of URDU newsgroup
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:49:56 GMT

The title and content of the quoted article, below, amply shows why
rec.arts.poems.urdu is a misnomer and that nearly every person who
assents to its creation so far really wants a *cultural* venue
for talking in Urdu and about Urdu-related things.  Talking about
Kashmir per se has *nothing* to do with subdividing re.arts.poems
so that it has a subgroup for urdu poems.

				-- Marek

As it was suggested by jjwebb, you really want a soc.culture.urdu.poetry
(as well as a soc.culture.urdu which doesn't exist yet...)

In article <19q2fhINN9uf@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.123439.9077@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>>
>>Yes for Urdu.
>>
>>g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au
>>
>>Adil Shaikh
>
>
>The Kashmir issue can probably be discussed more comprehensively, now that the 
>so called language barrier has fallen, at last  
>
>Support reason I the  Urdu newsgroup.
>
>
>Samit
From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NRIs returning -- Can Foreign currency be kept Liquid?
Keywords: Indian Tax Laws, Changes?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:24:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <Sep.28.15.11.15.1992.14217@gauss.rutgers.edu> manmetha@gauss.rutgers.edu (Rajesh Malhotra) writes:
>
>Fellow Netters,
>
>	I have a question about returning NRIs. When one returns to India,
>the NRI has to declare all the foreign currency and assets overseas, and
>they have to be converted to Indian currency, correct?


My goodness, an Indian immigrant returning to India?  I thought that everybody 
"gets stuck" in the U.S.  :-)

I once ran into a Bengali sailor unloading rice in the Russian port of
Novorossiysk.  Of all the unlikely places to receive an "expatriate
Indian" flame, this guy asked where I live (California), smiled knowingly,
and said in Hindi, "You got stuck, didn't you?"

Stuck here,

Manish
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From: ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (abani kumar patra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India Growth Fund & other mutual funds investing in India
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:37:34 GMT
Reply-To: ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (abani kumar patra)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifav422@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu


I am looking for some upto date information on the IGF and other
mutual finds which invest in India. I cannot get news on the action on
the Indian stock market on a daily basis (unless you call up India).
Hence I was wondering if you people can help me with the following:

1)Is there any other way to keep uptodate with the BSE movements
2)What is the approximate NAV of the IGF currently? Any opinions on
the foreign exchange risk and future movements for the IGF?
3)Are there  any other mutual funds which invest directly in India? I
am talking of a country fund, not regional or global funds. How can
one get info. on these funds. Any opinions on prospects of these
funds' performance?
4)Which is the best way to buy shares in these funds? Through the fund
directly (any load charges?) or through a broker?


Any info. to the above queries will be greatly appreciated and you may
send them to ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu.
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:02:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, dxn@juniper.WPI.EDU (Deepak Narain) said:
:- 
:- Mr Doki, that truly was a sick post.  Don't you have any little
:- sisters/nieces/cousins?  
:- 

	doki, if you do, just keep them away from mr. udumudi, whose
	preference for them is a well documented fact ;)

	- ravi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bsind@cutie.acns.nwu.edu (Brijnandan S. Dehiya)
Subject: Re: UN map sans Kashmir
Keywords: Kashmir status
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:43:25 GMT

In article <BvI1tG.BA8@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  
(Sareer A Fazili) writes:
> According to international law, Kashmir is still a disputed territory.   
There
>  
> Sareer A. Fazili 


Dear Fazili
	
	Did you know that if Nehru had not gone to the UN to stop the war  
in Kashmir in 1947-48 ( idealist to the core that he was ), Kashmir would  
still be united today ( in India, of course) , since Pakistan was ( and is  
) no match for India.And there would not be this international law you  
mention.

THREE times in  history , India was able to take the whole of Pakistan but  
our conscience did not permit us to punish the people of Pakistan for the  
misdeeds of their governments.And Kashmir today is how Pakistan has  
replied to that.

Indian part of Kashmir is much better off than POK. Is this what you would  
call abusing Kashmir and its people?It is in Kashmir's interest to be in  
India.

P.S. There is magic in the word INDIA.  
     Just say it aloud and you will feel it too.

( I have no intention of hurting anyone's sentiments)

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: IIT's and REC's. Training factories for US? (was: NRI's returning to India
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 02:54:48 GMT

In article <Sep.30.09.23.19.1992.8758@ruphys.rutgers.edu>, atish@ruphys.rutgers.edu (Atish Dabholkar) writes:
> 
> In fact, if the students work and `earn' the financial assistance as 
> they do in this country, they can play an important constructive role.
> Similarly, the institutions can be required to earn atleast part of 
> their budget from private industry and alumni.

There aren't (m)any teaching institutions in this country. Most
universities do teaching and research, often at the expense of
the former. IITs with their very high prof/student ratios are
meant to be teaching institutions, primarily. 

> This way, there will be a better 
> connection between the industry and the academia and consequently a
> better justification for the right of our elite institutions to exist.
> The basic point is that now there a hungry market for the talents of 
> engineers/doctors/scientists and it is hungry enough to be able to pay
> for their training.

Training for the particular needs of industry should be done
elsewhere. Universities have a much broader purpose.

> In this sense, I think, free market for the rich and socialism for the
> poor seems more workable and equitable.

This is a form of discrimination.

> Atish  Dabholkar.  

RKP
From: vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: October 2nd
Keywords: LB Sastry birth day
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:19:17 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


October 2nd happens to be birthday of yet another great son of
India _ Lal Bahadur Sastry, the most simple and honest PM who is
almost all forgotten by Congress Party and others.

Though he ruled for 18 months, it was one of the most turbulent
moments in the history of India. India was limping back from
Chinese agression and fought 2nd Indo-Pakistan war.

He  is the man who coined " Jai Jawan, Jai Kisaan"

Let us salute this great son of India.


Sudhakar Vemuri  (vemuri@informix.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: lloyd@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Lloyd Williams)
Subject: Cheapest Long Distance Phone Company to India
Reply-To: lloyd@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Lloyd Williams)
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:26:33 GMT

Well the title really says it all. I would like to know
the cheapest way to call India from the US. Currently
we have MCI call India but as we don't call every month
the $3 monthly fee goes to waste. I have heard that there
are some alternatives to the big three long distance
companies AT&T MCI, and Sprint. Small companies that 
are cheaper and don't charge a monthly fee, only per call.
Thanks for any help.
Lloyd <lloyd@sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
From: deepak@konark.njit.edu (Albatross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: height of the khans ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:50:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Oct1.215010.17598
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct1.210022.5739@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) writes:
>hi folks ,
>I have a question regarding the heights of film actors Amir Khan ,Salman Khan
>and Kamal Hassan. What are there heights ?
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Since when did kamal hassan start to sound like khan????

>Prizes will be given for the correct answers :-)
>J Anand.

-deepak
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: IITK-7th?
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:48:23 GMT

As far as I remember the survey was conducted by looking at the research
output of the alumni, i.e. some kind of no. of papers/ no. of students
approach. If you keep this in mind the result may not look so surprising.
Of course you can always say that the credit belongs to the graduate program.
But the truth is that the credit belongs to both.
Also I am a strong opponent of spreading any myth about the supriority of
the IITs. It comes down to the individual every time. A jewel is a jewel
everywhere. However the human and material resources do help.
Arindam

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32320 soc.culture.pakistan:15270
From: arshad@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Arshad Mahmood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and Science (was Re: Islam & Rushdie -- Icarus.)
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:32:11 GMT
Reply-To: arshad@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Arshad Mahmood)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Sep22.020156.27706@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>> If you can add something to this debate, please do.
>
>Sigh... Let's try this again.  Your original point was that Islam has
>no place in this day and age of computers and superconductors.  Not
>surprisingly, you have failed to show why.
>
>Now let us look closer at what you say above for the Nth time, but
>still fail to justify.  Suppose you have a set of beliefs A which you
>do not question.  For example, I presume you operate under the
>assumptions that you have to live, you have to die, and that you have
>to go to the bathroom at some point, right?  If the answer is "no,"
>this could get quite amusing... :) Good, now that is your set of
>beliefs A.  Do you question them?  Probably not. ;) Does this hinder
>scientific progress?  I'll leave that one to your imagination...
>
>Clearly, the point is that this set of beliefs A need not in any way
>interfere with scientific progress.  In fact, as in this case, if one
>of the beliefs in A is to pursue scientific research, your point
>becomes totally moot.

Come now Mr. Shakil, you are not surely suggesting that all Islamic tenets
and beliefs are about such trifling matters as my bowel movements.  

The question concerns when beliefs contradict, let us say that you are a
researcher in developmental biology. Would you be willing to experiment on
embryos, the result of which may be the death of potential human beings.
How do you decide on such matters, would you say my religion has tenet "A",
the consequence of which is that I must not perform such research. Or are
you willing to say, what exactly are the advantages of such research, on the
one hand it may save millions of lives on the other it concerns how we 
humans percieve ourselves and others. 

In a precise sense of course you are arriving at a tenet "B" if you take the 
latter course, and you may say I could simply take this as an assumption and
invoke it as I would tenet "A". The crux of the matter is how you arrived at
"A" and "B", "A" was given whereas "B" was derived. I would suggest that
taking tenet "A" is unscientific.

>Say what?  Let's look at some basic logic here.  Suppose we have statement
>A, which says, "You can eat starfruit and pomegranates as long as you
>don't get sick."  And we have statement B which says, "eating
>pomegranates always makes you sick."  What does this imply?  Applying
>just a tad bit of logic will indicate that this implies you can only
>eat starfruit.

Not so fast, your logic statements would work out to

	UntilNotSick(can eat starfruit) and
	UntilNotSick(can eat pomegranates) and
	AlwaysSick(eat pomegranates).
	
There is an obvious contradiction here.
	
>-- Shakil Ahmed

A. Mahmood
Edinburgh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32376 soc.history:8615
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:55:56 GMT
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU's message of 27 Sep 92 17:34:36

John McCarthy writes:
...
      An early example of a cultural superiority contributing
   to political domination is the conquest of Mexico by Cortez with
   500 men.  The decisive battles were fought when the
   Conquistadores were out of ammunition for their firearms and
   using Aztec cotton armor that had proved superior to their metal
   armor. ...

	   Nevertheless, the Spanish victory was substantially a
   consequence of Spanish Catholicism's intellectual and moral
   superiority to Aztec religion and ideology.  In the first place, it
   proclaimed universal religious and moral principles.  These principles
   were asserted to be applicable to Mexican Indians just as well as to
   whites.  In particular, it proclaimed that human sacrifice was
   universally wrong, not merely that it wasn't the Spanish custom.
   These principles and the religious organizations that promulgated them
   enabled the Spanish to gain allies and to gain converts. ...

I'd like to believe that the Spanish Conquest was the victory of
humanitarian ethical ideals over despotism and human sacrifice, but it
doesn't wash.  

First, as soon as the Spaniards appeared, the inhabitants of the Aztec
capital were immediately decimated by a plague.  This (usually
unintentional) germ warfare was always critical to the colonists'
military success.

Second, the Aztecs, like most indigenous peoples in the Americas, were
initially awed by the visitors and considered them gods.  They
accordingly weakened their position in ways that they wouldn't have done
if they had understood Spanish intentions.  So it was partly a victory
of European realism over native superstition, but I see no moral
difference.

Finally, the Spanish themselves represented a despotic form of
government and typically enslaved the conquered peoples, often in the
most barbaric ways.  Nothing enlightened or modern about that.

I too believe that the West has created a uniquely versatile and
powerful intellectual tradition, including great moral and political
ideas, but I still feel that the West's sins come close to equalling its
accomplishments.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
From: jagdish@sequoiasequoia.com (Jagdish Lokhande)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Information required about H4 visa
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:55:41 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


 I recently 2 months back came from India to U.S. on H1B visa. I want to get 
 H4 visa for my wife and two daughters (of age 4 and 6 years) and bring them     
 here in Dec 1992. My daughters' names are included in my wife's passport.
 I would like to know the procedure for applying for H4 visa, the necessary
 papers required, and chances of getting the visa.

 It will be of great help, if somebody who has have details about this matter,
 pass on to me.

 My network mail address is jagdish:sequoia.sequoia.com. and postal address is
 Jagdish Lokhande 25-6, Briarwood Lane, Marlborough, MA - 01752.     
 Office phone no. (508)460-0800 extn 1393.

 Thanks.
From: sxj18@po.CWRU.Edu (Shankar Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: JCE.MYSORE.INDIA
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I am trying to reach: 1).Mr KISHAN SRINIDHI @IOWA STATE UNIV
			in the dept. of computer science.
		      2).Mr PRAMOD PARIHAR @ARIZONA STATE UNIV
			in the dept. of electrical Engg.
		      3).Mr ANAND PASHUPATHY @ARIZONA STATE UNIV
			in the dept. of computer science 
	Thankyou.
			Shankar Jayaraman.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32755 soc.culture.tamil:2600
From: snayar@next3.cs.umr.edu (Sanjay Nayar)
Subject: New Wave Travel,  Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:00:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: snayar@cs.umr.edu
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University
Keywords: Reliable?

Hi!

	I am about to buy a ticket to India from New Wave Travel, Seattle, WA.
Has anyone had any dealings with them?  I was quoted a price of $1303 (incl.
tax) for STL-DEL-STL, which think is reasonable for flying over Thankgiving.
However, they say that they will charge me $1892 and then refund the difference
after I complete my journey.  Is that accepted practice?

Thanks in advance,

Sanjay Nayar
snayar@cs.umr.edu

p.s. please send e-mail if possible.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: (aple is't a food)
Subject: Islam :/: tamil eelam
Keywords: for early morning mood
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:57:34 GMT

from that food

meny meny thanks is not a mad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science 
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:24:13 GMT


In article <BvEG1v.KqA@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

> Who was the Quran revealed to?  If God wanted to explain the Big bang
> theory why didn't he wait to explain it to someone who would understand
> it?  Why didn't he teach them something simpler which they would
> understand, and be useful, like maybe using fertilizers in agriculture.
> After all you don't teach a Kindergarten kid the Big bang theory you
> teach him the alphabets.

You're all totally missing the point.  The Qur'an is a complete book
of guidelines.  It is not a book of relativity or a book on
NP-completeness, or a book of astronomy.  But it does explain things
about the creation of the universe in terms that everyone can
understand.  God is telling us how he did it in terms that we can all
understand -- what's the point of explaining it only to Carl Sagan?

Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was illiterate.  The vast majority of people
don't know much about astrophysics.  That's why the message was put in
simpler language.  At the time it was revealed, all the astronomical
terms we have now didn't even exist!

-- Shakil
From: rao@helios.uucp (Rao Panuganti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Telugu speaking baby sitter needed
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:47:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Consilium Inc


Hi folks,
        We are looking for Telugu speaking baby sitter for our son.
As remuneration, we are willing to provide lodging for free (one of 3 bed rooms
in our house) to the baby sitter and her spouse. Our house is located in 
San Jose(close to IBM), California. We need this baby sitting service only
when my wife is away to her school. However, these timings could change from 
semester to semester, depending on her class schedule.

        This might be convenient for students(or for employees who want to
save some money on high rents in this bay area) who have housewives as spouses.

        If you are interseted, please contact me at

        panuganti@disney.consilium.com

                or 

        (Bus) 415-691-6370
From: slt4f@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: To Indian students at Dept. of Computer Science at Vanderbilt Univ only
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:52:18 MDT
Reply-To: SLT4F@CC.USU.EDU
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Utah State University

RE : Indians at Dept. of Computer Science at Vanderbilt University
 Hi!!









Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: deepak@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (deepak chichili)
Subject: Email address for IIFT, NEW DELHI
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:14:29 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23174]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

Hi netters:

Yet another question on email address. I want to know if there
is any email facility for INDIAN INSTITUTE OF FOREIGN TECHNOLOGY,
NEW DELHI. If so please let me know the node address.

thanks in advance

deepak r. chichili
email:  deepak@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
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 and the seniors take none with them. Knowledge accumulates"
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