HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yaron@astro.as.utexas.edu (Yaron Sheffer)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Standard model of QSOsex
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:03:24 GMT
Organization: University of Texas, McDonald Observatory

In article <BtEE2p.57E@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
>     Ignoring the fast and loose derivation, there are several quasars with z
>= 0.01 or so, with the smallest z being somewhat less than this as I recall.
>From memory, 3C273 has z = 0.016 and NGC 1068 (a Seyfert) has z= 0.0037.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Apparently, Tom has already gotten a proof of 3C273's nearby position, since
standard cosmology has 3C273 at z=0.158, or *10 times* farther away. I hope
Tom's book in general will have higher precision than this...

>We know
>that the numbers of such dead quasars nearby is way below theoretical
>expectations.

Ha, but how would you find a dead quasar? The only way to detect the monster
black hole is by detecting emission from devoured material, and also a huge
concentration of stars at the nucleus. What we see are resurrected quasars,
and dozens of local galaxies have either wide emission lines and/or high
density of stars of velocities corresponding to black holes of Mega and Giga
solar masses.

>...Not only that, but it [MM] predicts that the big bang will be obsolete by
>1996, and will thereafter be relegated to the role of an in-joke among
>historians of science.  :-)  -|Tom|-

Wow! That's the same year in which Quayle will become our President! Yeah,
I can now believe that the Meta Model will be 'in' just about then. :-)

Ronny
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From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Subject: Re: Teflon needed
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.195403.28204@morrow.stanford.edu> andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
>Does anyone know a good source of teflon for use in Dobsonian mounts?
>I need to pick up a small amount in the near future (this week would be
>best).  Any sort of teflon coated plastic would be ok, although the the
>chair leg pads that were teflon instead of nylon would be best.

Got it.  There are a variety of industrial plastics suppliers that carry
teflon that are listed in the yellow pages under plastics.  But the winner
was Haltek in Mt View (415)969-0510 that has a variety of teflon scraps
(including rather large ones) for sale at $10/lb.  The only thing they
didn't have was very thin sheets, but that's not what I wanted anyway.
Mostly they won because I didn't have to drive as far as the other places.
My thanks to "William B. Phelps" <wbp@vnet.ibm.com> who pointed me in
this direction and also suggested that in the future I consider using
UHMW plastic which is more machineable than teflon.

Andy
From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: B-O Effect (was Re: Proof of quasar non-locality?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:11:57 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


clements@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Dave Clements) writes:

> Tom, there is a problem here with your assertion that all AGN have
> non-cosmological redshifts. For many radio galaxies, certainly a class of
> AGN, the nuclear emission is sufficiently weak that features the local
> stellar population can also be made out in the spectra. This is true, I
> think, for Seyferts as well. These are composite stellar absorbtion lines,
> just the same as those we see in the B-O galaxies, which *seem* to have
> convinced you that the B-O galaxies are really galaxies (even if they
> contain metamodel SM stars). The stellar absorbtion lines etc etc in these
> weak AGNs are at the *same* redshift as the emission lines from the
> nucleus. This menas, to me, that either the whole galaxy is buried in the
> gravitational well of one of your SM stars (unlikely unless I have
> misinterpretted the metamodel's treatment of potential wells), or that
> *some* AGN redshifts are *really* real, which rather puts a hole in the
> metamodel.
>
> Am I missing something somewhere?

     It is not clear how the case for AGNs would differ in kind from the case
for B-O galaxies.  The Meta Model's supermassive stars have only small to
modest redshift discrepancies prior to their supernova stage.  Following
supernova and collapse, their redshifts become quite large, as do their
velocities.  This is when the jets appear, just as in the Crab supernova
remnant.  Generally these high velocity quasars will be found outside their
parent galaxy; but nothing prevents us from finding them inside, if we look
soon enough after the supernova stage.

     Prior to the supernova, some central objects in AGNs and B-O galaxies
will be supermassive stars: a part of the proposed extension of the H-R
diagram to luminosities higher than the normal blue or red giant branches.
AGNs nuclei may contain one or more supermassive variable stars, of the
extended Mira type.

     My earlier statement was that AGN redshifts are not *reliable* distance
indicators.  There is lots of room for the redshift of a galaxy nucleus to
differ from the average of the redshift of the approaching and receding
portions of the disc.  Composite spectra can average out a lot more than just
the galaxy's rotation into a single redshift number.  -|Tom|-

-- 
Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
Meta Research was founded to foster research into ideas not otherwise
supported because they conflict with mainstream theories in Astronomy.
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: davecole@cie.uoregon.edu (Dave Cole)
Subject: Hypering Film
Summary: Questions about slide film
Keywords: hyper
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:41:25 GMT

Hello,
 
  Anyone out there hypering any slide film?  If so what time/temp/pressures
are you using?
 
  I use 10 hours at 50C, and 3 PISG for Fuji 100 slide film.  Any others
hypering slide film?
 
Dave

Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: davecole@cie.uoregon.edu (Dave Cole)
Subject: Film Hypering
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
 
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:19:40 GMT

Hello,
  Anyone out there doing hypering of film for astrophotography?  If so lets
swap times/temps/pressures/film types.
Dave
 


Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: moorhouse@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: Guidance with Star Camera
Organization: Miskatonic University.  Arkham, Mass.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:05:24 GMT

I'm developing a system whereby a rocket-mounted video camera can image
the starfield and thus obtain guidance information.  One aspect of the
project is this:  by measuring the x and y positions of the stars in the
image, and by knowing their altitude and azimuth from an ephemeris, how
do you find the alt. and az. of an arbitrary point in the image, given
an arbitrary rotational position of the camera?  This must have been done
by someone already, so can anyone point me in the right direction? 

Yes, I already read the FAQ list, and it has references that I can't get
ahold of right now.

Peter Moorhouse.
Institude of Space and Atmospheric Studies.
moorhouse@sask.usask.ca

Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: mcd@ithaca.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Mark Dakins)
Subject: Re: ATM: tube materials?
Keywords: finderscope tube photocopy lens
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:33:33 GMT

In article <7742@public.BTR.COM> midkiff@btr.BTR.COM (Neil E. Midkiff  midkiff@btr.com) writes:
>
>This may sound like a bizarre approach, and may not work given your lens
>mounting cell from the photocopier, but have you considered flaring the
>3" PVC tube at the objective end?
>
>I ran across a similar problem in making an 8 x 52 finder; the 52 mm 
>objective was just a trifle too large for 2" PVC tubing.  So I "stretched"
>the front end of the tube by softening it with heat and using an empty
>wine bottle as a flaring tool.  
>
>Boiling water wasn't hot enough to soften the PVC so I used cooking oil in
>a pan with a deep-frying thermometer to check the temperature.  CAUTION:
>Take care, as with any kitchen work involving hot oil, to avoid burning
>yourself.  Also be sure not to set the oil on fire!  This project is safer 
>than French fries, though, as there is no water to spatter, and since the 
>temperature is lower.  I think 275 or 300 F should work for the PVC (sorry,
>I don't remember the temperature I used) compared to 375 F for potatoes.
>
>For a 3" tube you may need a champagne bottle instead of the usual 750 ml
>wine bottle.  In this case, be *sure* to empty the bottle before using it
>to flare the heated plastic tube!
>
>I hope this will work for you; if not, I hope others will find some 
>amusement in my story.  Thanks for giving me a chance to share this
>rather unorthodox solution to a problem similar to yours.
>
>-Neil

CAUTION: If anyone is tempted to try this you should be aware that
heating plastics enough to soften them has the potential for driving
off some pretty nasty fumes.  If I remember correctly vinyl-cloride
is bad stuff.  I don't recommend doing this but, if you must, don't
do it in the kitchen and do wear a good respirator.
						Mark Dakins
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: tg@cs.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos)
Subject: Re: Perseids
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:29:54 GMT

From my suburban Toronto location I observed 45 meteors between
the hours of 2130h Aug 11 to 0200h Aug 12 Eastern time.
The limiting magnitude was about 3. Sky conditions were pretty good
with a light wind and cool temperatures.

I've calculated that the ZHR around the maximum was about 155!!

Things of note. (a) a group of 3 "head-on" meteors within a minute stretch.
(b) several "clumps" during the evening when they would come in groups
of 2 or 3 (c) I counted 5 meteors brighter than -2 with wonderfull trains
(d) an amazing number of small fast jets fly over the Toronto at night :-)
area
-- 
=================
No regrets, ever!			| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics
For down that path, lies madness	| tg@utstat.toronto.edu
From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Standard model of QSOsex
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:13:25 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Earlier, I wrote:

>> Quasars are not, of course, *predicted* by the standard model.  They are
>> just part of what it attempts to explain, ad hoc.

and yaron@astro.as.utexas.edu (Yaron Sheffer) replied:

> How about this prediction:  "Shortly" after the BB, galaxies form.  Their
> early collapse builds up a dense core of billion solar masses.  Also,
> galaxies interact frequently thanks to higher density of the Universe.  A
> natural consequence is the flare up of active galacic nuclei.  Prediction:
> from Earth, 1992, these should be very bright, unresolvable, variable,
> points of light with high cosmological redshift.  In short: QUASARS!

     Assume your theory is true.  At half the universe's present age, its
volume would be one-eighth what it is at present.  So the frequency of such
galaxy interactions today should be about one-eighth of what it was then.
Then the number of new quasars today should be about one-eighth of the number
of 5-7 billion-year-old quasars.  I don't think that can be reconciled with
observations.  Nice try, though.  -|Tom|-

-- 
Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
Meta Research was founded to foster research into ideas not otherwise
supported because they conflict with mainstream theories in Astronomy.
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: ahabig@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (Alec Habig)
Subject: Re: the moon
Organization: Indiana University Astrophysics, Bloomington, IN
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:46:06 GMT

In article <20AUG199216314609@msr.triumf.ca> asnd@msr.triumf.ca (Donald Arseneau) writes:
>>So what would happen if the Earth happened to rotate in the other direction?  
>>[Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM's] argument seems to suggest that the moon 
>>would deccelerate, move closer
>>to the earth and violate conservation of angular momentum.
>> 
>>-Scott
>> 
>
>Of course not!  Angular momentum is a VECTOR.  So if a moon orbits opposite 
>to the planet's rotation, the MAGNITUDE of each angular momentum decreases,
>but the vector sum stays constant.
>
>As the moon moves into a closer orbit, the tidal forces increase (inverse cube
>of distance?), rapidly increasing the deceleration until CRASH!

This is happening as we speak, as Triton orbits Neptune in a "backwards"
fashion.  It is getting closer and closer, and will get shredded when it gets
inside the Roche limit.

	Alec
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: bic@piglet.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Comment: First Gazing; Query: Eyepieces
Keywords: eyepieces, eyerelief, kids
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:58:58 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

Comment:

	I finally did it.  I bought a used 4 1/2" Newtonian (C4.5) last
week.  I was very excited because our family would be spending the weekend
in Napa County, away from the fog and lights of San Francisco.
Unfortunately, friday night was totally cloudy.  I could not see a thing.
Even the bright moon was hidden behind the clouds.  "Disappointment" fails
to describe my feelings.  On the other hand, Saturday night was great.  The
moon was there, but it did not rise before I have a chance to look at
Albireo and Saturn (low in the sky).  Perhaps the most exciting moment was
when our 5 year old son looked into the telescope.  Without telling him
what he would see, a very excited little boy told me that he was the planet
with rings around it.  The moon itself is also impressive.
I had a great time!

Question:

	The C4.5 came with a 25mm eyepiece.  I have budgeted $200 for more
eyepieces.  I have noticed that Televue has a 3 for the price of 2 sale
going on.  What do people think about a 40mm, 7.4mm, and a 2.5x barlow?
Would I be better off getting 4 orthoscopic eyepieces?  Has anyone
used the new Vixen eyepieces that are supposed to offer 20mm of eye relief?
My wife's eyes suffer from astigmatism.  I have some (but not much) hope of
getting her to join me in this stargazing venture.  It is more likely that
my kids will join me.  I am not sure that eye relief is so important for
kids.

	Comments and suggestion will be appreciated.


-- 
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        University of California       |  BITNET:   bic@ucsfcgl
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From: mdv6n@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Mark D. Van Cleve)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Hubble viewing
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:01:53 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: mdv6n@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU




Thanks for the reminder about the Hubble being viewable. Is there more precise
information about where and when, what direction it will be seen to move, etc?
thanks mdv6n@virginia.edu
From: j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de (Jost Jahn)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Sunspots at 14.08.1992.
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de
Distribution: sci
Organization: ABBS AstroMail, D-W 2121 Dahlenburg / Germany
X-Version: ZerUU V6.45c

Sunspots at 14.08.1992., 0 h UT.

No.    Pos.  Cl.  Ar.  Mag. SF  F  M  X
---------------------------------------
7248 13S 76W Dko  330   b    7
7256 16S 00W Dso   60   b
7260 16N 52E Eki  920   b    7
7261 23S 04E Cro   20   b

Explanations of spot columns:
No.  Running number of sunspot group.
Pos. Position in Latitude and Longitude.
     N - North, S- South, E - East, W- West.
Cl.  MacIntosh classification.
Ar.  Area in 10-6 of visible hemisphere.
Mag. Magnetic Classification.
     a - alpha, b - beta, bg - beta/gamma,
     g - gamma, bd - beta/delta, bg - gamma/delta
     bgd - beta/gamma/delta.
SF   Number of subflares.
F    Number of optical flares. (importance > 1).
M    Number of medium x-ray eruptions.
X    Number of strong x-ray eruptions.


No optical or x-ray flares yesterday observed.


 
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From: ron@mlfarm.com (Ronald Florence)
Subject: Re: Palomar Visits?
Organization: Maple Lawn Farm, Stonington, CT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:00:40 GMT

Jeff Stoner writes:

   I'll be visiting out in San Diego over Labor Day weekend and was wondering
   what, if any, facilities Mt. Palomar has for daytime casual visitors? 

There is a small museum with exhibits, a tiny store for souvenirs, and
a visitor's gallery in the dome of the 5-meter Hale telescope.  The
gallery provides a good view of the 5-meter telescope; the glass is to
insulate the telescope from the body heat of visitors.  Just outside
the visitor's gallery (across the walk) you can see the concrete dummy
disc that was used to balance the telescope while the primary mirror
was being figured.

There is a marked parking lot and walk for visitors.  The Oschin
(48-inch Schmidt), the 18-inch Schmidt, and Oscar-Meyer (60-inch
Richie-Chretien) telescopes, the machine shops, and the Monastery have
no provisions for visitors.
-- 

				Ronald Florence
				ron@mlfarm.com
From: sinenmaa@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Handheld Astronomy
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:29:24 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

GREETINGS all Aliens and Earth's Beings !!

Have you run into the Phobos or other Heavenly Objects lately ?
You haven't !
Ok, It's good because I was downloaded my program in to the News Group
COMP.SOURCES.HP48. Its name is TYKO and v=3.0. And by the help of this
program you can easily locate those objects so there are no difficulties
to take your bearings in time or space.

Some features;

   8.5 planets, Moon, Sun, 21 stars and available coordinates;
   Rising  times      Visual magnitude            Ecliptical (Geo or Helio)
   Setting  #         Apparent #                  Equatorial
   Color index   Geocenric distance               Horizon
   Heliocenric distance  Semidiameter  Diameter Nutation in everywhere
   Obliquity of the Ecliptic  Equation of Equinox Sidereal times Universal 
   time Ephemeris transit times Perihelion dates Mean anomaly Mean
   longitude Elongation Phase Calendar Easter Sundayes and ...  so on.

   And the input can be both the Calendar date -- either Gregorian date or
   Julian date -- and Julian day. For instance; you can put the date
   January 2. 3456789 and time 12.36 in the form 1264287318.02 (TZ=0,
   Calendar=Gregorian) and you will get excatly the same results
   ( the accuracy can be a little questionable ).

  And all This from your Handheld, you do not need to drag those
  exhausting, not VERY Personal, Computers with yours when you are
  e.g. on the lake in rowboat or having lunch with other aliens from
  Pleiades.

I have also some HP48sx pictures, are called GROB-picts, if some one
wants to see what it looks like.
I compined and converted them into three GIF-picts.

PS. The DOC file has been written in VSL so be patient -- pleeez !
PSS. VAR (Do nothing); 
     Until there is a version 301 available
     End;

regards,
kati
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: dierick@brsux0.bro.dec.com (Dierick Dominique)
Subject: Re: Visit to AstroPhysics
Reply-To: dierick@ketje.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Brussels
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:34:00 GMT



I take the occasion here to give feedback about the problem I had
with a 5 inch Starfire lens ( I posted this a few months ago).
For refreshing memories : the lens showed a "crack" in between lens
elements.

In the meantime I had send it back to AstroPhysics. They fixed the
problem and shipped it back. I installed it last weekend and
the refractor is now in excellent shape again.

If it wasn't for some *@#! customs officer who send the lens
by *boat* instead of airplane, I would have had it back in 1 month
( now it took 1 more month ) from AstroPhysics.

I am very pleased with their service.


Dominique Dierick
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: gliba@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Possible Meteor Shower
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:12:43 GMT

>Subj:	Comet Levy Shower

>For those of you who might have missed it..K. Ohtsuk is prediting a possible
>shower from Comet 1991q
>	Closest Approach August 30,1992
>1950 Coordinates: L=156.5
>Radiant: RA 321.9 Dec -62.1
>Min dist .075 A.U. V= 18.7 km/sec
>Observations should probably cover August 27-Sept.3.


  For those of you that missed this message of a possible new meteor shower,
the above message was sent out from David D. Meisel, director of the AMS, to
active meteor observers.



G.W. Gliba - 'I would rather see starlight than streetlight
From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Fossil Paradox (was: Structure of Time)
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:13:32 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <75960056@hpldsla.sid.hp.com> tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich):
> hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
> > Suppose we could build a "device" by which we could travel in time.

> A time machine will *never* be built by our civilization. My proof of
> this is that the stock market, horse racing, and gambling casinos have
> not been drained dry by time travelers.

Counter-example:  Bill Gates.  Nobody from our civilization would have
thought that you could become the richest person in the USA selling
BASIC and DOS--both of which were obsolete 15 years ago.

-john-

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From: dhl@mrdog.msl.com (Donald H. Locker)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Perseids
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:15:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chelsea MSL, Inc., Chelsea, MI

In article <1992Aug11.194020.20710@linus.mitre.org> chaloux@accordion.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux) writes:
>
>I have seem some very nice ones while out observing in the past week. They
>weren't in evidence this morning however.

I also had much better observing on 08-07 (4 Perseids, 2 others) from
0400 to 0430, and on 08-08 (3 Perseids, 1 other) from 0400 to 0420.
On 08-12 from 0300 to 0320, I only saw one other.  Clouds terminated
viewing, but I was rather disappointed.  I have no estimate of
limiting magnitude.
-- 
Donald.                      Speaking only for myself.

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Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: hanzak@jazz.concert.net (Jayme Hanzak)
Subject: Ohio Bound...
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:25:25 GMT

It's vacation time and I'm heading to the Great North Coast for about
a week. I was wondering if any of you folks, who belong to an Astronomy
Club in the Land of Cleve's, are having a Sky Party from 8/22 - 8/28 ?
Let me know.

Newsgroups: sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave