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From: jwest@ramona.com (Jim Western)
Subject: Re: Movie based on "The Aspern Papers"? Yes!
Keywords: yes
Organization: Ramona Engineering
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:49:01 GMT

dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox) writes:

>I recently read a collection of six short novels by Henry James,
>and the only one that stood out was "The Aspern Papers." My
>father mentioned that a movie was made of that work, under
>a different name, but he wasn't sure of the fact, or the name.
>I couldn't find an entry under the novel's title in the one movie
>guide I looked in. Does anyone know if a movie was made of
>this work, and if so, what its name was? Thanks.

I'm positive this was _The Heiress_. It was remade in the 1970's as
_Daisy Miller_ with Sybil Shephard and Deborah Kerr.

If you enjoy novels with "Papers" in the title, you should also read
Thackerey's _The Pickwick Papers_, although some will probably say it
is not a true novel.


        - Jim Western
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From: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:09:21 GMT
Reply-To: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <25710@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>
>".....now a major motion picture....."

  Well, no, I'd have to disagree a little on that.  There are some very
  good books which have been made into motion pictures, and subsequent
  editions usually mention that.  Which I would think they would be
  entitled to do :-)

  But the ones which are either (a) written *after* the movie, or (b) are
  apparently written with the idea in mind that they will become a motion
  picture, are almost invariably bad.  (I use the phrase "almost" only
  because I feel sure that in an infinity of universes, there might be an
  exception.  But I am not aware of any).

  John


--
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
  "Sugar and spice/and everything nice/blend it twice/add more spice/
   Then serve over ice..." - original recipe for making southerners
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Last call for r.a.b Last Supper
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:21:39 GMT

As previously noted, the Palo Alto coven of the Rabid Readers will meet
this Saturday at 6pm chez Gere. We are presently negotiating with a
well-known Peninsula Personality to act as Grand Marshal for this event,
so, if you have not yet booked, do so before the tickets run out.o
					
							Fido
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:11:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:


>wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:
> 
>> Do yourself a favor and look up the word "catachresis".
> 
>There is no need for me to look it up, when the old INFIDEL has provided
>us with so many examples of using a word in the wrong context.  

Find me one example, Mr. Tonto, or forever hold your peace.


>The New, Improved Infidel seems to have a better grip on usage.
> 
>Mark
>

Infidel.

 
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From: sean@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Joseph Sean Livingston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:01:37 GMT
	<92246.162407HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> <235pb16s@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Organization: CS Dept, University of Oregon

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>>>>>>>>>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>>>>>>>>>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>>>>>>>>>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>>>>>>>>DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>>>>>>>I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>>>>R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>>>This cascade is damn insane!
>>And it's really getting lame!
>This lower case is going against the grain!
LeTs TrY mIxEd UpPeR aNd LoWeR CaSe ThEn AnD "rAiSe SoMe CaIn."
--
Ich bin ein Virus.  Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signature.
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ... on Miss Manners (cough)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep10.162433.27724
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


I saw the subject line, and I just had to post.

Of late, thanks to the encouragement of a friend of mine, I have
become an avid reader of Miss Manners (a/k/a Judith Martin), mostly
her books on etiquette ("Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct
Behavior" and "Miss Manners' Guide to the turn of the Milleneum".)
I've also picked up another book on table manners, "The Rituals of
Dinner" by Margaret Visser.

I was wondering if anyone else out there is a reader of Miss Manners,
or if there are any other etiquette buffs out there. I'd be intersted
to here from you, if you're out there.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: gn@cc.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE)
Subject: Three Faces of Eve
Reply-To: gn@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:12:37 GMT


Hello:

  I went to a few bookstores around town trying to find the book
version of the film "Three Faces of Eve," but with no luck.
Apparently, the name of the book is not the same name as the film.
Does anyone know the name of the book?  (If you have the author's
name, ISBN #, etc. please pass that along as well.)

  Also, which was released first, the book or the film?

  Please respond via email.  Thanx!

toM o. genesE                         Bont             --      I feel 
#8-) C&U&L2&S2WIT                      Hustler     ---/  )     that we
Inet: gn@cc.gatech.edu                Mogema      (      )     must hit
Home: gn@philios.atl.ga.us            Bones     ---=-----=-    the pavement
UUCP: ...!rutgers!emory!philios!gn    Hyper    O  O  O  O  O   right NOW!
From: matt@physics3.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Progress (Was : Re: The Literary Canon)
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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In-reply-to: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com's message of 1 Sep 92 19:32:08 GMT

In article <34yy02ou20wy01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:

> Stephen Jay Gould's _The_Mismeasure_of_Man_ is an excellent recap
> of the biological/anthropological evidence to date on the
> (non)existence of human races, and presents some of the history of
> the misuse of these data in the past.

I second the recommendation of this book, as well as most of Gould's
other ones.  (My favorite is _Wonderful Life_.)

Perhaps I should summarize why Gould says that races don't exist; some
people on this group have objected to that statement, mainly, I think,
because nobody has gotten around to explaining what Gould (and others)
mean by it.

Gould, of course, isn't denying that human variation exists, nor is he
denying that variation is sometimes distributed geographically.  The
point is simply that there is no particularly natural way of dividing
people into groups; whatever division you make, you'll find that you
could make a completely different division that is equally plausible.
You will also find that almost all diversity (i.e., more than 90% of
the variability in human DNA) occurs within these groups, not between
them.

Are there two races?  Six?  A hundred?  And do you want to make the
division according to skin color, or blood type, or nose shape, or
length of the femur, or shape of the skull, or something else?  You
will get a different classification depending on what you choose.

People have made a number of different racial classifications
throughout history, all equally good, and equally arbitrary.  Perhaps
because of this, about half of today's physical anthropologists no
longer feel that it is a useful concept.

--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Re: NPR & Freedom of the Press: Part I
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:36:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.161348.28313@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
|> National Public Radio, my newsmagazine, had a segment today about
|> D. H. Lawrence's *Sons & Lovers*. The versions that all you good folk
|> have is not the book that lawrence wrote but the edited version that
|> Edward Garnett (GARnett, not GarNETT, please) produced for publication.
|> It is somewhat shorter, and rather different in tone. In essence, Lawrence
|> put it in Garnett's hands because he was the only man he trusted to
|> get it published. And he was right. The Edwardian market for novels was
|> somewhat different to our own. Now Cambridge University Press have come
|> out with what amounts to an unexpurgated or deBowdlerized edition.
|> Throw your old Sons & Lovers away and read the book that Lawrence wrote;
|> its sounds a whole lot more satisfying.
|> 
|> 							Fido
Francis: You advise me to throw out my copy
of *Sons and Lovers.* I consider this rash.
Compare the two versions. It seems that 
the editors (the couple, living I think
in Provence) were too enthusiastic about 
their edition. Of course they want everyone to rush
out and buy the new $25 Cambridge edition.

I do agree that Lawrence's words should be put
back in, but let's be a bit calmer.

In another venue, has anyone read anything by
H.E. Francis?
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From: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Subject: Re: Joan Aiken
Reply-To: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:52:44 GMT

In article <46x702TF21x301@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>
>The books I know from the series are "The Wolves of Willoughby Chase,"
>"Black Hearts in Battersea," <I don't remember the third one>, and "The
>Cuckoo Tree." They're great. 
>

Nightbirds in Nantucket.

Yes, they are wonderful!

Lynnette
lynnette@ingres.com

>                                          Karen Williams
>                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
From: f86ma@fy.chalmers.se (Mats ]kerblom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Where to buy the Encyclopaedia Britannica?
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:44:26 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

Does anybody know where/how it is possible to order the Encyclopaedia
Britannica?  A FAX-number would be fine.
 
And if anybody knows the price in e.g. the USA or England and if there are
any student's discounts it would be nice.  I'm trying to find out if it is
cheaper to import it myself rather than bying it here in Sweden. 
The freight might cost a bit though ...

Any hints are welcome, 
			  Mats
===============================================================================
Mats Akerblom
Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden
email: f86ma@fy.chalmers.se
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Editors other than Bowdler...
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:30:39 GMT

Larry "sometimes, nay, quite often, a Wombat" writes:

	Mark Taranto writes:

		[Ezra edits, and Eliot agrees]

		There were one or two pages crossed out before we 
		encounter "April is the cruelest month . . . ."

		This method of writing poetry continued into the next 
		generation.  The young Auden would send poems off to 
		Isherwood, who would cross out complete lines, and 
		suggest changes.

	This is a problematic method of compostion?

Compostion, eh? I like it. There is the sense of words piled up and left
to warm up and regenerate. In Eliot's case he was afraid the crib from
Chaucer was a bit too obvious and thought he might hide it in a bit of
Irish bawdy; a page of lifeless copycat lifted from Joyce. Oh yes. It is 
not Pound's cancellation but Eliot's.

							Fido
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From:  sveta@titul.obninsk.su (Shirina Svetlana)
Subject: Looking for address of Award Publications Limited in London.
Reply-To: sveta@titul.obninsk.su
Organization: JSC TITUL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:55:46 +0300 



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From: ghouse@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Mujtaba Ghouse)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Keywords: No one in the world understands sarcasm
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:03:41 GMT

spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>>        Mark Taranto writes:
>>                I do have a fancy title -- but it is usually associated with
>>                people who can not spell "potato."
>>        And, apparently, with people who cannot spell "cannot".
>> 
>+------------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
>And, incidentally, "potatoe" and "potato" are both legitimate spellings;  or at
>least as legitimate as "colour" for "color," "favourite" for "favorite,"
>"tyre" for "tire," "manoeuvre" for "manouver" and "knee-jerk reactionary
>goon" for "J. Danforth Quayle."

My Webster's Unabridged (second edition, though I doubt it matters) lists
"colour", "favour" (and by implication, "favourite", though this is not
mentioned), "manoevre", and "tyre", but *not* "potatoe".  

I also couldn't find "knee-jerk reactionary goon", but that maybe corrected 
by the third edition ... ( :-) for the humour impaired)

-Mujtaba Ghouse
"Somewhere else, the tea is getting cold."
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: rabfest
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:58:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1992Sep4.185110.3922@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> roger@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (roger.s.tait..jr) writes:
>In article <67642@hydra.gatech.EDU>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
>> We'd like to meet on October 3rd at the cafe in Oxford Books on Pharr Road.

>Just curious... how many out-of-towners listen to you all and assume
>"Pharr" is spelled F-I-R-E?
>
No telling, but I pronounce "fire" as "fie-er."  My accent is a compendium of
accents because we lived in Rhode Island and California (as well as Alabama)
when I was growing up.  But living in Atlanta helps me regain some of the 
"twang."

Mom's more likely to pronounce it "fah-er."

-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:09:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:

>In article <1918spINNt5c@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:

>   matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:

>   Johnno McCarthy writes:


>   >>I promise to take a literature
>   >>course next year if someone will assure me that after taking it I
>   >>will understand what Mark Taranto meant.

>   >The benefits you gain from a literature course are your own responsibility. Are you so dependent on your mother's teat that you require another's
>   >assurance of your success before stepping out into the big wide world?


>   >Endek.

>   Here here. 

>   Infidel.


>Didn't your mother teach you how to recognize insincerity when it
>stares you in the face?  Do you really suppose that I, a professor of
>computer science just turned 65, am really likely to take a course in
>literature on the extremely dubious theory that there is anything
>actually to be learned from it about what Mark Taranto could have
>meant by "insidious intent" being a literary reference?  Isn't it
>perfectly clear that he didn't mean anything by it and can't even
>concoct a meaning post facto?

>Well, I suppose that when Poles emigrate to Australia, they bump their
>heads on the ground a lot for the first few years from walking on
>their hands trying to keep upright in the Polish sense.


Your lilly-white beardlet looks so cute when you're angry.




>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.


Janek Wojdyllo
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Arthur Hugh Clough. Was: Re: I give up...
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:55:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Gary Stonum writes:
>
>> Clough?
>> Enough!

<cough cough>

>Arthur Hugh Clough was the only 20th century poet who had the misfortune
>to be born in the early 19th century. 

The other such poet being, of course, Hopkins.

	Larry "What a wonder thing it is to have money, heigh ho" Hammer
--

LNH@albert.physics.arizona.edu   \  "People ought to fight for their law as
The insane don't need disclaimers \  for a wall."  -- Heraclitus, #100
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From: wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE)
Subject: Re: Where to buy the Encyclopaedia Britannica?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:00:28 GMT

>My mum bought me one in the 1950s which I've consulted about once a
>month ever since. Haven't noticed a patronising attitude anywhere, and
>can't imagine that anything in one volume could provide the kind of
>concentrated crash introduction that 24 volumes can. But maybe since
>they started being produced in the USA the standard has deteriorated?
>-- 

Encyclopedias have become a big business here--you can buy them on time
just like furniture. They assuage the consciences of parents who think
their children should have a large reference work around the house so
their kids will do well in school. This is what I meant by patronising
attitude. The Brittanica especially is written down for younger users.
Older encyclopedias serve a different purpose than this. The 1911 
Brittanica came from a time period where it seemed that everything could
be known by anyone who cared to know it. The age of the generalist is 
long gone: I suppose, being a generalist myself, and believing knowledge
to be more positive than ignorance, I am nostalgic for those days. 

Michael Wise
O Captain! My Captain!
UNLV English
From: heidi@wolf.net.com (Heidi Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Where is Heidi?
Summary: right here...
Keywords: ...but don't tell anyone
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:58:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: N.E.T., Redwood City, CA

In article <1992Sep14.183009.3470@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu
(Francis Muir) writes:
>Anyone knows Heidi's email address? I renewed acquaintance with her at
>our RABfest, and find my old address won't get past the MAILER-DAEMON.
>	
>							Fido


Now please don't anybody go promiscuously posting my address
all over the Net, I've already sent mail to Frang....

Yrs reclusively,

-H. "Perhaps I shall move to Amherst and retire" Wolf
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:16:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

marlon@milpa.EBay.Sun.COM (Marlon Pearson):
>This weekend Encyclopedia Brittainica (sp) was at the local Waldenbooks
>giving a sells pitch. Here is the "limited time offer" they offered me.
>
>                                                 Normal       LTO
>Their 32 volume set plus 1992 annual update     3199        1734
>Their great works set 				????         256
>Their children s 20 volume set                   459           0
>Plus up to 200 free reports from their list

This is with a relatively fancy cover.  (The price varies by thousands
of dollars, depending on what binding you get.  The innards don't vary.)
The generic cover (without the great works or children's set) was
discounted to about $1050 (plus tax and shipping, which pushed it up
to about $1200).

I thought about it, and spent an afternoon in the library looking up
a list of words I put together to reflect my various interests.  I
concluded that the encyclopedia's role as a compendium/summary of knowledge
was getting in the way of its role as a reference tool.  It took too long
to find where the information I wanted was hidden, and knowing where to
look often required a fair amount of background knowledge.  Also, although
much of the material technically consists of 'signed' articles, it was
hard to judge how much faith to put in many of the articles.

(Then there's the perennial problem with encyclopedias:  Much of their
material has a fairly short half-life, and the annual updates are more
trouble than their help is worth in this regard.)

For me, at least, the money could far better be spent on a small desk
encylopedia and a variety of special-purpose dictionaries and encylopedias.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
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