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From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Subject: Re: Wayward Pulpit
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:00:25 GMT
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>My mustache has been in continuous existence since October 4, 1968, so
>you've got me by several months. The beard comes and goes. I was going
>to grow one this winter, but I've been too darn busy. Bill

1: October 4, 1968 is suspiciously precise.

2: How could anyone be too busy (or too lazy) to grow a beard? The only
   way one could be too busy (or too lazy) is too busy (or, respectively,
   too lazy) to shave.

tushar
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      abh.in.nyc
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I just updated abh.in.nyc in ftp file and edited the index to show
new length.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:38:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Referenda do be do be do (Re: Adventures in Democracy)
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>Ok, speaking of elections, voting and all that stuff, who can tell me the
>facts about the Colorado referendum which supposedly passed which was kith
>and kin to the homophobic Oregon one (which was defeated...).  I just can't
>believe its true that it passed.  So, what exactly did "it" say...anyone?

     I don't have the exact verbiage, but I understand it was similar
     to the first clause of Measure 9, which prohibited the state from
     making laws that use sexual orientation as a classification, i.e.
     anti-discrimination laws, hate crimes laws, etc.

     IMO, if the OCA had confined themselves to a law like this and
     left out all the lurid "abnormal, unnatural, perverse, and wrong"
     language, they would have won.

     Carol
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:35:54 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Clinton's "Mandate"

>The mandate was for change. Nearly 2/3s of the electorate clear said
>they did not want Bush or the Republicans.

Two thirds voted against Clinton as well, as I think any number of folk have
pointed out.

Clinton won 43% of the vote and 100% of the White House
          -George Will

And the goodwill of 99% of the American people
          -Cokie Roberts

Amen.

Now back to sharpening the long knives.

-K

-Mka
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From: ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Subject: Re: Adventures in Democracy
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:06:10 GMT
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Posted on 5 Nov 1992 at 19:07:46 by (Ruth M. Hanschka)
>Who won down your way, Karen?  Republican scum or Democratic scum?

Democratic scum, the incumbent, Harold Volkmer.  His Republican opponent
is a professor (I think economics, Steve!) at Mizzou, and of course we
know that he only works 6 hours/week!

Karen
From: rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU ((Rashmi))
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              "tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Nov 4, 92 2:17 pm

> Which in turn reminds me of the Hindi word "praan", which is roughly equi-
> valent. It's something like "the spark of life" but more bodily.
> tushar

praan - breath, perhaps?

Speaking of dictionaries, do you know of a good Urdu-English one?

rashmi
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sick System
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>
> But I think that was Brad's system I was talking about.

I quoted from your response to abh, whose system is the same as mine.

 System rot must
> have been rampant over the weekend.  I wonder if it's contagious.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Or maybe too many stones were thrown into Words-L land.
Doris
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:11:56 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: legislating behaviour
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: >  But suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
: >  man, but to be in silence.")

Ruth said her Church's get out clause was that the verse said *man*,
so taking it literally, women can safely teach male *children* (up
to around 13...)

:    Fascinating....US now has a female bishop in NJ, and a black one at
: that.  Some questioned her appointment several years ago, but most of

(Errr... how does that gel with the instruction that a bishop must have
exactly one wife :-) )

: Please do advise how the vote came out....it WILL happen over there someday.

Yes for women, around 2:1.  Lots of ministers are threatening to resign
but the wily old archbishop is spreading rumours that any resignations
will be filled with women :-)

G
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:43:43 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Spelling lesson
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>: the proper spelling for a sandwich in a roll from Philly is a Hoagie.
>
>Sorry.  Does it taste better with malaise on it?
>
>Steve Karlson

Better with malaise and catch-up...

love, judith
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:03:37 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: California makes history!
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 And here I have been laboring all along under the misconception that it's how
 and not who that matters.  Guess as long as the dictators chosen by the U.S.
 gov't for <little> countries are the <right> dictators, nothing's amiss.

You misunderstood me.  I meant you had actually achieved a change of
Government.  Over here we're beginning to think we have Tories for life,
because they have sufficient control of the media to manipulate the
proles into reelecting them every 4 years.  I was convinced yours was
the same.  I didn't really expect another party to get in in the next
century.

I didn't mean 'Oh look, the *Democrats* have been restored.'  I was genuinely
impressed to see that *Democracy* still works.

G
From: rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU ((Rashmi))
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Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:22:40 GMT
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              Harwell" at Nov 4, 92 1:26 pm

> > Two things which make Clinton marginally more attractive than Bush:
[...]
> You forgot to mention his hair, which was much more attractive than
> Bush's.
> -abh

Have to disagree with you, Anne.  Bush's hair is much better than Clinton's;
but Perot beat them both.  Also, Clinton needs to jog more - he's umm, chubby.

rashmi, List Evaluator of Candidates' Attractiveness
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:16:17 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rabies
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              29 Oct 1992 14:05:45 -0700 from
              <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Thu, 29 Oct 1992 14:05:45 -0700 JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>In a related area, two weeks ago a man died in Tucson from the Black Death!
>Not your standard-issue bubonic variety that we have up on the Rez from time
>to time but the good old pneumonic kind!  (Caught it from a cat in Colorado,

Well, that happens all the time in CO, and especially in NM.  One of my
favorite NM tshirts said   "New Mexico: the land of the flea and the
home of the plague".  People die of it every year in both states.  Just like
I learned in my early years in AZ to shake out shoes before putting them
on, and also any clothes lying on floor, etc, in NM and CO kids are
taught to NEVER under any conditions mess with any dead animals, especially
wild ones.  There is that natural urge to pick up a dead squirrel and
swing it around your head and fling it at an enemy, or any nearby female.
However, since said critter may have died of plague and have bunches of
hungry fleas looking for supper, it should be avoided.

dan
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:43:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Elders in baseball

I'm sometimes sobered by the realization that Robin Yount is
about my age and still going strong for the Brewers.  I'm not
sure how I'll react to news of his retirement.

Steve Karlson

Of course older, sometimes out-of-shape men can have a successful
career in sailing.  You've all seen Bill S's comments about Dennis
Conner, right?
From: rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU ((Rashmi))
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Subject: Re: long weekend (2) -- property inspection
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:20:24 GMT
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              in the rain" at Nov 5, 92 1:13 am

Neal during the course of his Philly/NJ visit:

>                    We also eat lunch at 'Le Bus,' which was once based on
                                           ~~~~~~
> a seedy street near Penn and actually *was* a bus that was one step up from
 the
> ubiquitous lunch wagons of Philadelphia.  This place is just another
 bare-brick
> fern bar, serving spinach-feta salad and sproutburgers.  The Dock Street Amber
> is awfully good, though.


They also have a great vegetarian lasagna and a wide variety of yummy breads.
Le Bus is about eight blocks from my apartment, a 10-minute walk from my
office, and a convenient spot to pick up dinner.

rashmi
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:16:12 -0600
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU wrote:

> I've been talking this up to people at school today--a friend who teaches
> mythology is going through a difficult menopause, and I'd *love* to do this
> for her.  She was in favor of the concept. I'm not sure what one *does* at
> a croning ceremony, but maybe we can find out.  Ooh, ooh, this is almost as
> good as Amazons, for older women. :)

Books to check:

_The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries_ by Zsuzsanna Budapest
_Casting the Circle, A Woman's Book of Ritual_ by Diane Stein
_Ariadne's Thread, A Workbook of Goddess Magic_ by Shekhinah Mountainwater
_A Woman's Book of Rituals and Celebrations_ by Barbara Ardinger, PhD.

The first three have actual croning ceremonies in them; the fourth does
not but is a lovely book and will give a person plenty of ideas for
ritual, especially for someone new to creating her own.

> Karen
> The Cradle Robber

--Susan, the Cradle-filler
From: harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell)
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Subject: Re: Danger
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:57:32 GMT
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, Evelyn wrote:

> I see danger to this list and to this group of friends we call "words-l."
> This past weekend's posts scare me; I grew up in a family whose arguments

Evidently you've already forgotten the Aaronology postings. ;-) Don't
sweat the details; we're all still here.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:59:54 EST
From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: The fat lady sings today
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              Nov 3, 92 11:39 am

> > I'm pretty sure I wasn't supposed to go to work today.  :-)  How many
> > other colleges/universities have academic holidays on Presidential
> > Election Day?

> UCLA doesn't.  8-(
> Emily

It's a day late, but WTH.  It was a working day at Drexel, and other
institutions around here, didn't realize some folks had the day off.
Tuesday's my day at the Naval Base in Lakehurst, and it was a regular work
day there, also.  Since the polls closed only at 8 pm, many people were
planning to cast their ballots after work .

rashmi
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:49:39 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: When gods die
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On Sun, 8 Nov 1992, blomberg cepeda wrote:

>      Actually, if I ever did become a Christian, it would probably be into
> Orthodoxy. One of the traits of Russian culture which has always attracted me,

Went to a fall festival at an Orthodox church today. Caught myself
thinking that I'd like to join this church....just so I could be around
cool art once a week. During the festivities, one of the parisioners
walked up from the parking lot carrying an icon! His father had owned it
for years and had decided the day before to donate it. It was 19th century
Russian, from the looks of it, not all that well preserved, but eminently
restorable.

-abh
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I find Ruth's responses a lot easier to scan than JAG's.  I still
>haven't managed to figure out his system yet.
>--
Neither has Gubert, which is the main problem.:-)

Ruth "Clear like mud, and easier to read" H.

--
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In a pig's eye.
JAG
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:47:24 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Danger
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> the Aaron episode, but I recall you were in the project-h discussion
> which, while heated, did not involve the ad hominems that precipated the
> latest discussion.

Yes it did.  I called Graham and Anne paranoid crazies, I think.  :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S.  The list didn't fall apart then.  It's not gonna fall apart now.
Let's hear it for Portland '93.
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 03:37:31 GMT
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I need some information/advice quickly, and since you people know so much
about such a variety of things, maybe you can help.

As many of you know, my dad passed away Oct. 11.  My mom is a stroke
victim and is in a nursing home near me. Both my mom and dad worked at the
county tax office in their hometown, and my dad retired at the age of 80.
My mother's stroke prevented her being able to work long enough to be able
to retire.  Because of my dad's status as a retiree, both he and my mother
were able to be insured by the group plan provided to county employees.
What we did not know until today is that my mother, as his widow, is no
longer qualified to purchase that insurance, which leaves her with no
supplemental policy.

She is not a member of AARP, but I'm assuming she could join with no
problem, and then maybe purchase a policy from them.  Do any of you know
whether this is the route to take?  Any suggestions are welcome; I know I
have to act fast, and before I break this news to her I want to have some
solutions.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:26:23 EST
From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)
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              "samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Nov 12, 92 8:04 pm

> >Somehow, it seems to me very fitting that Tushar and Graham should be
> >having the above conversation.
>
> This almost begins to sound as if it were a snide remark.

Tushar, stop being so sensitive, man.  I wasn't doing anything of the sort.

> I happen to be an authority on who gets called a twit, that's all.

OK, if you say so.

rashmi
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:09:50 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Apophasis re refrigerator
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              29 Oct 1992 12:38:30 EST from <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

On Thu, 29 Oct 1992 12:38:30 EST <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
>
>  I suggested apophasis, but preterition (praeteritio) was the one sought
>  (by Dan Lester, I believe -- a live reference question at Boise State).
>  Cf. paralipsis, paralepsis, paraleipsis.
>
   Good memory, Brad.....or good grepping the archives.....

Yup....and I was gone, and am back but STILL catching up....only 800 or so
unread.

dan
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:55:30 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: How elections work

I wrote:

>gar firdaus bur ru-e-zameen ast
>hameen ast

If there's paradise on the face of the earth
It's here

Just a summary, not meant to be a good translation.

The only Persian quotation I know. About Kashmir (obviously).
Wish I knew more bits of Persian. If this little has such
grand pomp, what will proper poems sound like?

Whatever else one may say about Iran apart, they do speak a
dazzling language.

tushar
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Christian bashing
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:22:13 GMT

In article <01GQY8NTEWEA0002Q9@mc.maricopa.edu> "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> writes:
>Now, just a pea-pickin' minute, here, Thomas!  You're guilty of precisely
>what you've accused Ruth of doing!  I have sadly waded through the cesspit
>of this "amendment 2" dreck all weekend long without reading what you seem to
>have been.  All the bigotry, intolerance, and name-calling seem to have been
>on one side, and one side only.  Graham was just being a "right mixer", as alway
>   s, but you actually seem to believe the venom you're spewing!  How can you
>equate tolerance with persecution?  How on Earth do you get "gay-bashing" out of
>   "equal treatment under law"?  Did someone slip an asterisk into the 14th
>Amendment, "This section applies to heterosexual Christian caucasoids only"?
>Ain't it amazing how one side can have the whole universe's supply of Right &
>Truth when so many other poor unfortunates have none?  8-(
>
It's hard to let threads drop when confronted with this type of a
response. John, re-read the thread. Yes, I believe in human rights
and in Constitutional protections. I also believe I have the right to
protest when attacked. You seem to have misread. I have some fundamental
rights to live my life in my own way so long as it does not infringe upon
the rights of others. Do you have a problem with that? If you're
claiming that this "belief" is bigotry and claims "truth", then I'll
put it another way: Some of us actively support the rights of those with
whom we disagree and don't hold back simply because their views are
diferrent "as a matter of conscience."

You'll have to clarify your comments on tolerance/bigotry/14th amendment.
They make little sense. Where did I raise the 14th amendment? But, I will
raise the first--separation of Church/State and the issue of gay
marriages.
From: ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Frank)
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Date: 7 Nov 92 21:27:00 GMT
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>From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
>
>On Sat, 7 Nov 1992, Frank wrote:
>
>> And to think that there was a time when I thought I would never
>> live to see this day.  Go figure.
>
>Good to be right, eh, Frank?
>

Mostly, Anne.  I think you would agree, though, that it is not always
pleasant to have been right.  Especially if your (and Steve's, and my)
premonitions about what effect a Willie Clinton presidency will have
on our general well being turn out to be at all accurate.  In that case
I would *much* rather be wrong.

I would also have far preferred it if the removal of the swine that
ran the former Soviet Union had been (a) more complete (in many places
the former Communist leaders simply changed their party label and
continue as before) and (b) accomplished without so much hardship
to the population.  So I am loth to gloat, especially since the
Commies seem to be making a comeback in such progressive places as
Lithuania.  Still, I am happy that the page has been turned on that
very dark period in the history of all those formerly Soviet peoples.

Frank
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From:         "(Joan Boorstein)" <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      origin of pidgin
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A good while back Neal posted this quote from a poster on a colleague's
door:

>           WOMAN wey i go
>           SCHOOL na im go fit
>           put hand for wetin we
>           do for awa country

Were the rest of you able to translate this to their satisfaction? I
was not.  Can someone please help?  I'd also like to know why the term
'pidgin' is used for this?  What is the origin of 'pidgin' -- my small
Merriam-Webster is not very enlightening.

--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: UUCP Mail
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Ur, uh, Ken...  Shall I send Bernardykins up there to work on your
system?

> UUCP request att!D.att2872093 to mhwpa!D.att2872093
> failed on system 'mhwpa'.
> Reason for failure:
> 	remote system can't create temp file
> 	remote file system is low on free space
>
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