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From: hook@eagle.geog.ubc.ca (Chris Hook)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:08:56 GMT

In article <67970@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) writes:
|> The Golden Gryphon (gryphon@openage.openage.com) writes:
|> 
|> >I've seen WP51, and it is much better.  WP51 for UNIX isn't out yet, as 
|> >far as I know, but I only follow SCO versions.  I saw it at SCO Forum last
|> >month, and it looked fast and fine.
|> 
|> According to my WP rep, 5.1 is shipping for Suns even as we speak; an 
|> AIX version is expected ~1/93... notice I said expected; her original
|> estimate was 2/92.  
|> 


Well, I received my WP 5.1 for Unix (Sun) a couple of days ago, installed it
(came on 17 3 1/2" diskettes) and have been trying it out. Previously, at another
site, I had WP 5.0 for Unix. The difference is HUGE between the two releases.
wp 5.0 was crude and not too powerful. The new wp (5.1) has resolved all that
and is VERY slick. No more going to MS Windows to do fancy+easy documents,
papers. etc. . 

So far, I've only gone through the demos (which are naturally impressive)
and have fiddled around a bit on my own. One thing I'm going to like alot
is its ability to either import of link in other file types, such as
spreadsheets (a big plus for me). What with wp 5.1 and the new motif version
of Lotus 123, there is now a good platform of basic apps on Unix
(at least SunOS) to make that walk down the hall to a PC unecessary.
This is LONG overdue. 

As a side note, from what SunWorld tells me, I should be seeing a suite of
Lotus apps for X/Open Windows soon (saw the ad for Lotus cc:mail in this months
issue).

|> Can't wait, meself...
|> 
|> Glenn R. Stone (glenn.stone@eas.gatech.edu)
|> RS/6000critter at large


Chris Hook -  Computing Systems/Network Manager
Atmospheric & Geographic Sciences
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C.
e-mail: hook@geog.ubc.ca
From: trant@shire.corp.sgi.com (Ken Trant)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: multiple machine distribution architecture
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: trant@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. Data Center Operations

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't this what rdist
was created for?. Using it in a script something like

# LIST contains the machine names to rdist to.
# Each machine can have it's own rdist file in case
# the distribution variables are different.
LIST=`cat filename`
 for entry in $LIST
 do
   build=Rdist/${entry}.rdist
   $rdist $build
 done

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From: Enrique Navarro Sanchis <navarro@pereiii.uji.es>
Subject: /usr/preserve/Exaaa99999
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:22:40 GMT
Organization: uji.es


Hello:
			I'm working with HP-UX 8.07.
			There is a directory /usr/preserve.
			Inside it there is a lot of files named Exaaa<five-digits>.
			These files (in some cases) are very large.

			Someone can say me something about these files ?
			What about them ?
			
			Can you help me,please ?


Enrique Navarro Sanchis		E-mail: navarro@pereiii.uji.es
SYS ADM						Tel: 964 - 345881
Servei d'Informatica				DO NOT BUY IVORY	
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CASTELLO   (SPAIN)				to elephants.
From: gxn@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: re: Can't get DNS running
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:31:30 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

Re:- can't get DNS running on a SUN...

 I had a similar problem. But reading the Answerbook tells you
that you have to have NIS running for DNS to work. I.E. all
calls to the resolver are done via NIS. Therefore you have to
have NIS running, and initialised with the -b option on the makefile.
Hope this helps..

Gordon NUSSEY
From: schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Can't get DNS running
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:50:09 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

gxn@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:

>Re:- can't get DNS running on a SUN...

> I had a similar problem. But reading the Answerbook tells you
>that you have to have NIS running for DNS to work. I.E. all
>calls to the resolver are done via NIS. Therefore you have to
>have NIS running, and initialised with the -b option on the makefile.
>Hope this helps..

If you want to run DNS without NIS, you can try the resolv+ library
of Bill Wisner.  It lets you choose which method to use first (DNS,
NIS and /etc/hosts), and also comes with a Makefile wich knows how
to create a new SunOS shared c library ... you run "make libc.so"
and everything is fine!

>Gordon NUSSEY

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From: hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: DNS config problem rcode=SERVFAIL
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:52:50 GMT
Organization: Computervision Sweden

On a Sun with SUNOS4.1.1 when resolving local hosts
I get:
	1. Correct answer
	2. rcode=SERVFAIL

Can anybody give me a hint to the solution of this, please.

nslookup debug info:

Server:  sweden.sweden.Prime.COM
Address:  129.122.218.3

res_mkquery(0, sweden.sweden.prime.com, 1, 1)
------------
Got answer:
    HEADER:
        opcode = QUERY, id = 2, rcode = SERVFAIL
        header flags:  response, want recursion, recursion avail.
        questions = 1,  answers = 1,  auth. records = 0,  additional = 0

    QUESTIONS:
        sweden.sweden.prime.com, type = A, class = IN
    ANSWERS:
    ->  sweden.sweden.prime.com inet address = 129.122.218.3

------------
Failed: SERVFAIL, num. answers = 1, ns = 0, additional = 0
*** sweden.sweden.Prime.COM can't find sweden.sweden.prime.com.: Server failed

Hakan Sjogren
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From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:09:18 GMT

In article <t=n1H9tag9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) says:
: >As I recall, much of the problems centered around WordPerfect's abuse
: >of the unix spooler system. Has this changed? Should I consider WP
: >5.1 now?
: 
: Has anyone gotten a trick to setting up dot matrix line printers with
: an lpr spooler?  I keep getting "Spool Command held" or some such
: "error".

Ignore the lpr spooler options in wpport and select 'other spoolers'.  Then
enter 'lpr -P<printer>' for the spooler command (where <printer> is the
spooler name of the printer you want to use.  You don't need any special
filter options and you don't need to tell WP about your line parameters.

This works for me on a SPARCprinter (using NeWSprint and WP's Apple
LWIINTX driver), an Apple Laserwriter (using transcript), an HPIIIsi
(as an HP...no PS card) and a couple of different line printers
(a printronix and a genicom).
 
: But anyway, yes, I would recommend considering WP now, especially if
: you have PC weenies who you want to "convert" to your network.

It isn't perfect...but it is certainly a contender now.  5.1 has very
little similarity to 5.0.

And yes, you can upload PC WP files and read them (and download UNIX WP
files to your PC).

The ASCII terminal interface hasn't approved...but I don't expect it
to since WP depends so heavily on function keys (and, after all, most
word processing packages don't even HAVE support for ASCII terminals).
--
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Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:11:06 GMT
Reply-To: glenn.stone@eas.gatech.edu
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin
Organization: The Group W Bench

The Golden Gryphon (gryphon@openage.openage.com) writes:

>I've seen WP51, and it is much better.  WP51 for UNIX isn't out yet, as 
>far as I know, but I only follow SCO versions.  I saw it at SCO Forum last
>month, and it looked fast and fine.

According to my WP rep, 5.1 is shipping for Suns even as we speak; an 
AIX version is expected ~1/93... notice I said expected; her original
estimate was 2/92.  

Can't wait, meself...

Glenn R. Stone (glenn.stone@eas.gatech.edu)
RS/6000critter at large
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From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 16:47:24 GMT

In article <0105002B.clqngw@digtype.airage.com> jeff@digtype.airage.com writes:
>
>A while ago, there was a very negative discussion of WordPerfect (maybe
>5.0?). Now, WordPerfect has released 5.1, which supposedly supports
>Xwindows in addition to character terminals.

Well, 5.0 did this too, but the 5.1 X interface is is like comparing
textedit to FrameMaker. (Well, almost)

>As I recall, much of the problems centered around WordPerfect's abuse
>of the unix spooler system. Has this changed? Should I consider WP
>5.1 now?

Well, it certainly has fixed a _LOT_ of problems.  I've gotten it to
work cleanly with my PostScript lasers, but none of my line printers
yet.  I still can't understand why in the hell WordPerfect needs
to know the serial line parameters when using an _lpr_ spooler.
Oh, IMHO WP's printer drivers are still braindead.  We run transcript
here, and as such I can't use the HPIIIsi print driver for our
HPIIIsi.  The problem is that the output of the driver is not PostScript.
It has some bizarre one-line header which makes sure the postscript
"card" is turned on, and something else.  Transcript then rejects it
because there's no "%!" at the beginning, and thinks it is binary.
The same thing goes for our other PostScript printers.  I just use the 
Apple LaserWriter driver, and all is fine.

Has anyone gotten a trick to setting up dot matrix line printers with
an lpr spooler?  I keep getting "Spool Command held" or some such
"error".

But anyway, yes, I would recommend considering WP now, especially if
you have PC weenies who you want to "convert" to your network.

--Dave
-- 
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Emacs is a fine operating system, but I still prefer UNIX. - Tom Christiansen
From: rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: NIS vs DNS
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:21:53 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

In article <BuCxxt.D97@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> jonathan@gabriel.keele.ac.uk (Jonathan Knight) writes:

>We run NIS and DNS using the Sun approved method.  Each NIS master has
>a resolv.conf which it uses when a host lookup isn't in the NIS maps.
>
>Here's why:
[Good reasons while deleted]

Here's why not:

The support for multi-homed hosts is abysmal.  You can't give multiple IP
addresses to an /etc/hosts file (from what I have been able to see), and if
you are willing to use only DNS for that, the NIS master will do a DNS query,
returning the addresses, with the best address first, *from the server's point
of view*.  Let's say I have a NIS server (Machine A) on subnets 1 and 2.  I
also have another multi-homed host (Machine B) that sitts on subnets 1 and 2.
If a machine on subnet 2 looks up Machine B's address via NIS, it will get
the address on subnet 1, and will route to that host, even though it could
reach the machine directly, without routing.

If something I showed here is wrong, please tell me, but this is what 
I am seeing on my networks.

Bob 
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From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: Northwest Digital Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:24:49 GMT
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gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) writes:
: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter) writes:
: 

: >I can best summarize our opinion of WP5.1 with one word:
: 
: >	SSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!
: 

: I know WP5.0 with WPTERM=gui_color is slower than molassas in winter, but
: I've seen WP51, and it is much better.  WP51 for UNIX isn't out yet, as 
: far as I know, but I only follow SCO versions.  I saw it at SCO Forum last
: month, and it looked fast and fine.

We've used both WP5.0 and WP5.1 on a SPARCstation connected to X terminals.
WP5.0 ran MUCH faster for us in GUI mode than WP5.1.  Plus the bugs in WP5.1
GUI mode make it even harder to use.  WP5.0 in GUI mode was useable. WP5.1
in GUI mode is unusable.  At least the XTERM interface in WP5.1 works!

Brian
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From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: DNS/named: Caching vs. Forwarding Server?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:41:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:

>rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:

[questions about caching vs. forwarding name servers]

>>The problem is that I don't understand quite the subtle 
>>difference between the two.  What I desire is that when
>>the DS-1 link is down that I will at least have minimal
>>DNS for those hosts local to me, which would probably
>>be in the cache.  (Ideally, I'd also like some way to force
>>some list of hosts into the cache right at boot time so if
>>the DS-1 link goes down 3 minutes later, I will have more
>>than 2 hosts in the cache.)

>How about setting yourself up as a primary name server, but put your entry
>as the second name server in the resolv.conf file on all your machines.
>This way it won't go around putting things in the cache left right and
>centre.  Only if your normal name server fails a lookup.

But that still forces some large amount of lookups over the DS-1
link.  I would think that I *want* to have stuff in a (more) local
cache to save time.

>You could put the local machines into a cache file.  named can be set up
>with a cache file of DNS information to be cached at startup.

Okay, here is what I think I know about a cache file.  The examples
I have seen have a line in named.boot like:

cache	.	/etc/named.ca

which I understood to cause named to read in and cache the root
servers (the example had named.ca with the names of the top level
root servers in it).  Does this mean I can add another cache line
like:

cache	whatever.gatech.edu	/etc/named.local.ca

and put my hosts that I want always cached in it?

Still, what about the forwarding server issue?  Could I add cache
lines like above an also add a forwarders' line to the boot file
so that all (non-cached) requests would go directly to the campus
name server?  Do I even want to bother with this?

Thanks again,
Robert
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From: jst@inews.intel.com (Jason Thomasser)
Subject: ** AMD_5.3 Multihost hierarchial maps? **
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:52:01 GMT

I've just installed AMD5.3(beta1) and finally got a hold of a tex processor
to format the documentation and was pleased to find they new type,
nfsx defined which allows atomic mounts af a filesytem tree from a SINGLE
server. My experience with Sun's automounter under 4.x.x is that it supports
hierarchial maps from MULTIPLE file servers and given the environment
for which I'm evaluting AMD this is exactly the functionality I need, i.e.
like Sun's. Question to Net AMD hacks, can AMD support this functionality and
if so could you PLEASE provide an example?

Thanks in advance,

Jason

P.S. An example using a multi interfaced host would be most excellent.

 Jason Thomasser                          | Thomasser Enterprise Networks
 jst@netcom.com                           | 139 School St #3
 IP WAN/LAN, DNS, Sendmail, NIS, NNTP     | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 (408)458-0379
From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: U.S. Naval Observatory and AtomClock
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 11446@news.weeg.uiowa.edu, bheil@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brian Heil) writes:
>From article <65627@cup.portal.com>, by Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser):
>> I'm using a version of AtomClock written by Art Steinmetz andthe
>> docs for it are dated 5/30/89.
>
>Has anybody tried this on a 2.04 3000 or 3000T?  I tried and it rebooted my
>machine.  Not the desired result!  It didn't even set the clock right!
>
>Can someone fill us in on exactly what gets transmitted by the USNO?  I'd like
>to take a crack at writing a new version.

It crashes my 1000 running 2.04 as well.  For fun, I dialled the number with
JRComm just to see what I got.  It turns out that what's returned is simply
an ASCII string giving what I believe is the UTC (Universal time code), which
seems to be easily parseable by mere humans.  I'll set my watch to it, then set
my computer's clock manually :-)

>-- 
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From: zhao@adx.adelphi.edu (Bin Zhao)
Subject: Help! mail problem
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:07:00 GMT


Hi:

I have a DECstation/ULTRIX4.2 running sendmail. The local mail and network 
incoming mail and  is not working. From other host when doing a "mail -v" 
I got the  error message:

	Deferred: Bad file number

I can't even sendmail to myself on this same system. The out-going bound is OK. 
When try to send mail locally, it creates empty lf*, qf*, and xf* files
in /var/spool/mqueue directory. When try to send mail from other host,
it also creates a core file besides these empty lf*, qf*, and xf*
files in mqueue directory. Yes, the /usr/lib/sendmail is set uid to root 
and /var/spool/mail has 1777 access permissions.

Any help and pointers will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


--Bin
From: scott@math.sunysb.edu (Scott Sutherland)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: multiple machine distribution architecture
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:06:27 GMT
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X-Cc: amd-workers@acl.lanl.gov, comp.unix.admin.usenet,

X-        sunsystem.all_areas@xerox.com
X-In-Reply-To: Marty Leisner 311/? x?'s message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:15:01 PDT <9209101615.AA01679@louvre.wbst147.xerox.com>

ml>	Date: 	Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:15:01 PDT
ml>	From: leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner 311/? x?)
ml>	Organization: Xerox
ml>	Reply-To: leisner.henr801c@xerox.com
ml>	Sender: <owner-amd-workers@acl.lanl.gov>
ml>	
ml>	
ml>	I'm looking for a good way to put binary versions on a known good
ml>	machine, and then distribute what was updated or is new via cron??
ml>	
ml>	I supposed the best way is to do a make install on packages on the
ml>	primary servers, where the mount point is a link file system (so I'm
ml>	guaranteed to get this file system).  [I'm using amd, I have no idea
ml>	how to do this in automounter]
ml>	
ml>	Then some type of cron script to copy what is new/changed to the
ml>	other redundant machines...
ml>		[ ... ]
ml>       Marty    leisner.henr801c@xerox.com 

Yes, this is easily done that way.  A little script that just runs find can
do it  for you.  Something like the following should work for you:

#!/bin/sh
targetdir=`pwd`		# probably breaks with amd/automounter; set
			# explicitly and do a cd $targetdir first
timestamp=".timestamp"
targetmachines="host1 host2 host3" #hosts to copy to

if [ ! -f $timestamp ]; then
	files=`find . -print`
else
	files=`find . -newer $timestamp -print`
fi
touch $timestamp

if [ $files ]; then
	echo updating the following files on $targetmachines:
	ls -l $files
	for host in $targetmachines; do
		echo -n $host " "
		rcp $files $host:$targetdir
		echo "."
	done
fi

exit 0

Note that I haven't tested this and just wrote it; you should do that first.
Also, there's a little bug in that if a file changes while the find is
running, it may get missed (since timestamp is set AFTER the find finishes).
Also, if the rcp fails for a particular machine, if will be missed next time
around.  And of course you have to be able to rcp to the machines in
question. These can all be worked around if you want, but....

Another way to do it us like the above, but use GNU tar to build and pack
the list of files (it has a -newer option too), and then unpack that on each
machine. 

Rdist is really designed to do this sort of thing, but as you said, you had
trouble doing it.  There's usually about 10 ways to solve a given problem,
anyway.


	Scott Sutherland
	scott@math.sunysb.edu
	Stony Brook Institute for Mathematical Sciences
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