From: itsmine@med.unc.edu (Greg Popken)
Subject: Re: PETA in hot water
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:32:51 GMT

In article <BzFF52.9B3@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>From article <mhulsey-171292145858@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu>, by mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey):
>> In article <BzDGnL.18F@wpg.com>, russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) wrote:
>
>>> [various legal arguments deleted]
>
>If they don't take you seriously, perhaps you could explain that 
>you have a "PhD" in nutrition science from the University of 
>Georgia at Athens whereas Benjamin Spock, Frank Oski, and Neil 
>Barnard -- the individuals who conducted the PCRM press 
>conference -- only have "MD" degrees.  When someone reminds you 
>that Benjamin Spock has written umpteen books on child care and 
>that Frank Oski is the Director of Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins, 
>you can tell them about your medline citations dealing with
>rat feeding.  
>
>>> Then perhaps it's irrelevant whether or not Neil Barnard has a degree
>>> in "nutrition science".
>> 
>> No.  Nutrition credentials are important for those who formulate or suggest
>> modification of dietary recommendations.  They are unimportant here in TPA.
>
>This doesn't make sense.   Would you care to explain???
>
>Your pretense that nutritionists ought to have a monopoly on the 
>discussion of the medical impact of dietary regimes doesn't make 
>much sense to me.  


Russell, Ill ask you again. (though I doubt I will recieve an answer.). 
If you needed legal advise on criminal law would you consult a divorce
attorney?
If you we're concerned about the stability of a mutual fund would you
preffer the advice of a mana that directs mutual funds for a living or of
a tax accountant?

If you were interested in matters of nutrition would you consult a
nutrition expert or a psychiatrist?



>
>> 
>> I am not aware of Gerone's credentials, nor are they relevant.  He offered
>> his opinion and I offered mine.
>
>And Dr. Benjamin Spock offered his opinion.  And Dr. Frank Oski offered
>his opinion.  And Dr. Neil Barnard offered his opinion.  

What opinions are you refering to?  As I recall Dr. Spock emphisized that
his opinion on the safety of milk consumption only applied to infants.
I am unaware of Dr. Oski's opinion.  
However, Dr. Barnard extrapolated recommendation for infants to adults.

I know this seems like a stupid question.  Do you have any references?
>>> > normal staff of two animal caretakers, there was Alex Pacheco.  Pacheco
>>> > falsely represented himself as a person interested in learning about
>>> > research.  Taub's only fault was trusting Pacheco.
>>> 
>>> So you say.  Have you got any proof?
>> 
>> When Pacheco applied for a position in Taub's lab in May of 1981, he told
>> Taub that he "thought that he wanted to become a laboratory scientist."  He
>> did not tell Taub that he was president of PETA (CFAAR Newsletter, op.
>> cit., p. 3).  
>
>Having affiliations with groups like PETA and PCRM doesn't belie a man's 
>claim to have interests in scientific research.   You yourself have
>admitted that Henry Heimlich is a scientist of significant repute, yet
>he has strong ties with PCRM.

Does he?

In addition,I think it's clear what Pacheco had in mind when he went to
apply for a job.  It wasn't to explore  his interest in a career in
biological research.


Greg


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