HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ylq@lems24lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: China Stock Market Riot.
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.162410.16668@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> In article <10390020@iftccu.boeing.com> alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)  
|> writes:
|> > 
|> > This riot proves again how serious the paradox of Chinese mentality
|> > in China:
|> > 
|> > Those potential Chinese investors have every reason (and rights) to be
|> > angry and to demonstrate their furor. But, at the same time, they also
|> > have every responsibility and obligation to keep public law and order.
|> > They don't realize that by violent riot, they only destroy the very
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is not riot. People are just too eager to get rich fast. It shows the 
enthusiasm of people towards the economic reform or pseudo-capitalism. 

|> > environment which guarantee their investment in stock market: social
|> > stability.
|> > 
|> > It is as stupid as African Americans, instead going to Sesimi (sp?) valey
|> > to burn it out in protest, burned out their own neighborhood!
|> > 
|> > Now  I start to understand why Chinese Government had to crush student riot
|> > in TAM in 1989.
|> > 
|> > Is it true that Chinese only understand their "rights", but NOT their
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				do you think Chinese have too many rights ? 	
|> > responsibilities and obligations?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Subject: Re: Is this racist?
Reply-To: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Organization: Unknown
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:57:53 GMT

In article <9208132248.AA23002@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          A chinese student requested an extension to continue living
>          in the low-priced university housing.  An international
>          student adviser writes down the following in a memo
>          regarding this:
>
>          "The Chinese may be polite, but they know how to work thro
>          the system .... My chinese friends told me to be strict with
>          chinese and chinese will run all over you if you let them."
>
>          Now, people claim this racist and demand the
>          person to resignate.  The whole thing is unfolding here on
>          this campus.  The student association at the U. of O. wants
>          to remove this person from the position.  Negotiation is
>          going on.  I wonder how you guy would "ding4 xing4" for this
>          comments and what you would do.
>

There is no doubt that this asshole should be kicked out of his
office. It is clearly a racist comment. It calls for different
treatment to Chinese based solely on the racial consideration.
At least he should be taught a lesson to carry out his duty
fairly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Famine during late 1959 to mid 1963 -- (1)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:13:43 GMT

In article <199208190411.AA11252@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>Some netters suggest me to write down truthfully what I experienced and
>observed during the famine. I am a little bit surprised, none has written
>before? If no, I'd like to try, but it takes time and I am rather busy.
>Comments from knowledgeable netters are welcome. Before I start to write
>my own experience, let me cite some digits:
>
>      grain producton    population  consumption per person
>                                     grain (farmers) pork  oil
>1957                                  100%   (100%)  100% 100%
>1958   400 Billion Jing
>1959   340 (tax: +17.3)            
>1960   287              -10 million   80.6%  (76.3%)  30%  77%
>1961   295
>1962   320
>1965   389.1
>
>These are digits officially publshed by Chinese authority. I tend to
>believe they are close to truth. And the populaton decrease of 10 million
Birth rate decrease should contribute to porpulation short fall!
Soviet had 30% birth rate fall before callpse! How much for China at the time?
>in 1960, agrees with estimation of total death in that famine from foreign
>sources posted on the net before.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xxxx@mte.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:04:40 GMT

In article <Bt5D87.DK3@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
writes:
>szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou) writes:
>
>>As I know, many Chinese, a number of Asian People, as well as some
>>westerners, donot like Japs.  I am not thinking about which side's
>>fault.  But, if you don't like Japs, you can refer Japan as 'it',
>>'its' instead of 'her' which sounds sometimes or somewhat
>>uncomfortable though that is western tradition.
>
>>ming
>>-- 
>>Ming  He				cs101442@sol.yorku.ca
>>My account must have HIV, so this is not my account.
>>CLAIMER: I am from Beijing, China
>
>There are people who do not like the Japanese, there are even more people
>who do not like Japanese business practices and there are even more
>people who do not like people who use racist phrases. Perhaps your 
>command of English in not sufficient for you to know that "Jap" is not
>considered nice.
>
>
>Charlie
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
>*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@chiechan.mro4.dec.com		    *
>*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
>
it is not "like or not", it is matter of justice! imagine your family member,
say your mother, were raped by someone, then you would forgive them after they
say nothing and do nothing. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:27:49 GMT

Hope you stop using your father as your name. You have aroused public indignation!
It's really really clumsy to use such cheap offensive name for making petty gains.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s075198@vesta.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:29:04 GMT

>In article <92233.115932PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|> In article <790600194@gn.apc.org>, Tibet-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us says:
>|> >Speaking from Geneva, Mr. Wu noted that Beijing's claim that
>|> >"For example, the Chinese Government says that prisoners have the
>|> >right to vote, but the funny thing is I never voted in the 19
>|> >years I was prison, and I don't know of any other prisoners who
>|> >were able to," said Mr Wu.
>|> >


>This jerk Wu just lied again.  By China's law, prisoners have NO right to
>vote during their prison time. Simple like that.  

>This jerk Wu should be put into prison once again for his illegal, shameless
>(also stupid) lies and action in China.

I have failed completely to see why this Wu is a "jerk" and what are the 
"shameless (also stupid) lies" of his. I certainly see the shameless and 
stupid lies that the Chinese government is continuously making. Do you care
to enlighten me a bit on this?   
Thanks
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Puzzle(Joking)
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:58:35 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


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c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: FWD:  related to green-card lobby stuff
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:13:38 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs


forwarded for an anonymous netter:


------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------


Grapevine 8-7-1992

Disclaimer: the Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader
            discretion is recommended.

====================================================================

A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
Americans and one Canadian on the list.

She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
"these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".

However, the "Chinese Student Protection Act 1992" will grant the
permanent status to everyone covered, irregardless of the applicants'
standing on the issue, according to a Congressional staff member who
wished to remain anonymous.

=====================================================================

I personally would prefer the anti-lobbyists: no real communist stooges
will work against their own interests.  After all, this country needs
more honest people, not the liars.
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:16:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: orasis.92Aug20.101620edt.135
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1992Aug20.003413.13408@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <92Aug19.171800edt.56@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
>(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug19.210247.9394@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug19.165741.29568@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
>> >writes:
>> >> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> >Even though there were conflict and border dispute. It was China who  
>caused  
>> >the  
>> >> >conflict. Vietnam was not so stupid to hit both Cambodia and China at the  
>> >same  
>> >> >time. So China has no excuse.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Oh, really. Then the Iraq is so stupid to hit US first?
>> >> 
>> >> >Carl
>> >
>> >Iraq hit Kuwait first instead of the US. 
>> >
>> Are you saying Saddam doesn't know the emirate of Kuwait is
>> a protectrate of Uncle Sam?
>> 
>> >Carl
>> 
>
>Did Japan know that China was on the same side as US and its allies 50 years  
>ago? 
The US was not at China's side in 1931, nor 1935, nor 1937, nor 1938.
and Japan knew that very very well.  It's invasion of China, and Nazi's
invovlment in Spanish Civil War were all done in the silent consent
of officially "neutral" position of the US, Britian, and France.  
Uncle Sam was selling oil and metal to Japan for its tanks and planes,
and making a lot of money.  Only until 1940 things start to change. 
The British was almost on Japan's side in the beginning.  The rest of
the country stayed neutral by not shipping china any weapon, but selling
the materials to Japan so that its war machine continue to run.  
The only foriegn military advisors in China in 1937 is some 
career GERMAN army officers.  And some of them decided to stay even 
after Hilter decided to pull them out,  the majority left because 
Hilter's threatening their family back in Germany.   
>
>OK, please tell me what is your excuse for China's invading Vietnam and killing  
>it's people?
It's hard to tell who started it, that's why its a messy border dispute,
civilians on both sides were killed.  
>
>Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
    <1992Aug19.222139.11256@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:58:05 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:


>You are logically wrong. It's the governments who need to apologize. Since  
>Chinese government has not apologized to the Korean people, why should we be so  
Hi! Where is our Emperor, or his son. If their army did something wrong, then
We killed them, OK? We did not ask this to other people. Why should we apology.
What is the logic.

>eager for the apology from Japanese government.

>Actually, my point here is that apology really is meaningless if people regard  
>it as a way to save the faces of victims. What is important is to remember the  
>brutal deeds of invaders, build our economy and army and NOT to invade other  
>countries after we become stronger.

See my other post, how could you do this?

>I found there is great hatred among us Chinese. Ask ourselves: will we do the  
>same thing that Japanese army did 50 years ago if we have a chance?

Why should we ask? Can we rewrite the history?
I have no hatred. If you remember, I am the one who says "I love what you
do to me Toyota".
I myself have no interest to ask or anything.
Just:
	Lu4 Jian4 bu4 ping2, ba2 dao1 xiaong1 zhu4. (to help upon seeing the
unjustice)

And pay attention to this: this is one of chinese tradition. Not eating human
meat. Those guys really have got too much meat in the US, wondering what
meat else they have not eaten.

>Carl
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:51:46 GMT

Just wonder how many SCC'ers have signed the open letter. I have signed
but never heard anything after that.

Netters whao are against the letter do have some good points, such as
1) The key is to make ourselves strong; 2) Not advocate hatre; 3) Don't
humilate Japanese people by name calling; 4) Show generosity and forgiveness;
etc, etc.

However, as an old survival of this real world, my experience is: One can
only show love, generosity, and forgiveness to those weaker than you or
those who have been friendly to you.

You simply can't show love, generosity, and forgiveness to those who are
stronger than you and are aggressive. If you do, surprizingly, what you
show will be your cowardness and your tolerance for another offending.

Because of the silence of New Jersey Hong Kong Network, I wonder whether
they are serious. If not, probably someone else should take the lead. We
need to make sure that the visit of the Emperor Akihito won't be misinter-
preted against our will.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Men-blood-drinkinq in China
    <1992Aug17.182318.14736@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
    <1992Aug18.215440.2930@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 
    <1992Aug19.113307.12162@bradford.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:00:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:

>I refer those who are interested in 'tradition'
>to Lu3Xun4's story 'Yao4'(medicine), in which Lu3Xun4
>described how an old man use the blood of a newly 
>excecuted revelotionary to cure his son's lung-illness.

>It did not cure his son. It was a tragedy.

One more thing: if that way to cure his son's lung-illness is the only way that
the old man knew, or could afford, what could he do? Want to prevent it?
He did not have medical care. He had no money. If his life matters to you, do
you know what he wanted? How can you give him? There are a lot of these kind of
old man, how can you make them happy? If you were at that time, could you try
to help him to cure his son? Could you be able to help thousands of those old
man?
We'd like to have some one who cares and likes to help others. If you think the
old man is a shame of you, what are you going to do? If you think it is the
shame of that old man, why bother? What he wanted was only his son to live,
he won't care what you think untill you really cure his son's lung-illness. If
you were a doctor and he had no money, what are you going to do?
Human history is from poor to rich in the long run, but not many people
can get rich these days, if you think more poor poeple in China than in some
other country is a shame, what are you going to do? If you think that is
the responsible of that old man, and you only want to talk to show
you live better than him, that is up to you. I don't think that old man
had the ability to stop you to talk like that. But be careful, there might
be someone else who cares.

>Prevent his-story (or simplely, HISTORY) from repeating
>itself, shouldn't we?

>AND:-

>The are so many horror films produced by HOLLYWOOD + * * *
>showing men-eating. So it is a Western CULTURE as well, isn't it?


>Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? Which is better for China?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:26:06 GMT

In <1992Aug19.211056.14815@athena.cs.uga.edu> ychen@ada.stat.uga.edu (Yinpu Chen) writes:

>>cqu

>I think if I were in China right now, I would like to Bush. If I were
>an American, I will vote for Clinton. As a Chinese in America, I'd like
>to see Clinton more than Bush.

>Yinpu

I just don't understand why you have two sides of story. 
Can you tell us more?  Thanks

F. Wang
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:38:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.150335.16419@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >Again your logic is wrong!! Assume your logic were correct, then you forget  
> >that today's Japan and its Emperor is not the same as before. 
> 
> No, my logic is not wrong. 20th century is not 10th century. It is no use to
> apply the moden rule to not so civilized time, and that is to create hatred.
> And to tell you the truth, if some one says "Korean people do not have the  
right
> to ask for apology for the war China did in the history", I would say: yes  
they
> have the right. Just like Chinese people have their right to ask.
> No matter they can get it or not, no matter what they ask is correct or not,
> that is another thing. No matter what reason you have, to deprive their right
> is a wrong logic. Whether you hate them, look down them, disdain them, or  
what
> ever else that is your business. If you want to teach them to behave your  
way,
> mind your logic. So you won't reget someday later that they apply your logic  
to
> you.
> 
> >Also, the old tradition of asking someone's son to pay his dad's debt has  
taken  
> >deep root in your heart. This is feudalism!
> 
> I don't see you are for it or agaist it. I am still missing your logic. You
> mean to ask the great-great-great-great-grandson to pay the debt is the
> mordenism? Which one should take deep root in my heart, yours?
> What do you mean here by "debt", you are not saying every time you borrow  
money
> from anyone equals to kill him, aren't you. You don't think the Emperor
> represent at least a symbol of a country, do you? What is the relation  
between
> an emperor and feudalism? What rule should be here?
> 
> >Carl

I guess you really got lost! I have stated my point in my previous posts that  
it is useless to ask for apology. If Chinese people are so eager for apology  
from Japan, it is natural for Chinese government to apologize to the Korean and  
Vietnamese people. If you are really desperate for the apology, go ahead and  
petition. If you are lucky you will probably get one. Hopefully you will not  
just be satisfied after you get the apology. Be careful for the next hit!

There are two kinds of peoples in the world (maybe more). One is protestor-type  
and the other is engineer-type. The former spend a lot of time crying,  
petitioning and even cursing for something. The latter quietly work towards  
their goals. I admire the latter. China will never get stronger and avoid  
invasion next time if there is too much protestors! You know what, Japan is  
quietly exploiting China even harder now although it doesn't send troops.

I guess those protestor-type people might say: "Come on, apologize and then  
take whatever you want! As long as you have apologized, we feel better." Don't  
forget, Japanese bow and apologize easily. It's their culture. But you will  
lose something even they are bowing and apologizing. 


Carl
From: LUKE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: help
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:53:00 GMT

Could anyone let me know how to subscribe to soc-culture-china?

Thanks

Lu Ke
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:14:57 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:


>I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.

>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

Then let Japanese apology to Korea first.
Have they done it?
From: gm2@CEC1.WUSTL.EDU (Guo Mian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:31:17 GMT

This is a test. Please ignore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong