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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:54:53 MEZ
Reply-To:     Rudolf WYTEK <Z00WYR01@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
From:         Rudolf WYTEK <Z00WYR01@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
Subject:      MANOVA nested design question

A student here has data sampled at 5 different 'locations' and nested
under the locations a varying number of 'clutches', i.e. 2 to 6.

Now she did 2 different MANOVAs, only one giving results, the other
giving syntax errors.

My questions are:  1.) are the two forms really equivalent?
                       I don't think so but until now we found
                       only the first form operable.
                   2.) why is the second form not possible?

1st form:    MANOVA   list of dep vars  BY LOC(1,5) CLUTCH(2,6)/
                      PRINT= cell(means) homo(all) signif(univ averf)/
                      DESIGN= CLUTCH WITHIN LOC

2nd form:    MANOVA   list of dep vars  BY LOC(1,5) CLUTCH(2,6)/
                      PRINT= ...as above.../
                      PARTITION (CLUTCH) = (5,4,2,5) /
                      DESIGN= CLUTCH(1) within LOC(1)
                              CLUTCH(2) within LOC(2)
                              CLUTCH(3) within LOC(3)
                              CLUTCH(4) within LOC(4)

             this form works only for a maximum of two WITHINs in
             the DESIGN command, why?

I hope someone can give us some hints and even more I hope I will
see before retiring a better documentation of procedure MANOVA,
the present one is of questionable value for non-specialists.

Many thanks|

R. Wytek, Univ. of Vienna, Austria.
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:16:16 PDT
Reply-To:     Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
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From:         Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is there a bug in temporary variables?

"(Ran Chermesh)" <CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BITNET> says:
> I wonder if I didn't encounter a bug in the way SPSS deals with scratch
> variables.  ... [deleted] ...  For some reason, the (scratch variable)
> "#le" acts as though it's a lagged variable, carrying the value of the
>former observation.

Page 135 of "SPSS-X(tm) User's Guide, 3rd Edition" states:

    * scratch variables are initialized to zero for numeric variables
      or blank for string variables for the first case,
      and are "left" across cases (see Section 7.40).

This simplifies the user's coding, i.e.,

  COMMENT Create a running-total in a "scratch" variable.
  COMPUTE #ACCUM = #ACCUM + ITEM

See?  No worries about "first-time" initializing of the variable,
and no need for a 'LEAVE' statement for the variable.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:46:39 EDT
From:         G_BRUCE@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      Where in US did Ranganathan teach?

I have been told that Ranganathan taught in the U.S. in one or more
universities. I would like to know where and when.  I would also
be delighted to find his students.

M.J. Bruce
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:27:16 EDT
From:         "(Diablo Valley College Library)"
              <diablo%class.class.org%CLASS.ORG@Sdsc.BITnet>
Subject:      Re: Administrivia
Comments: cc: "(Robert Skinner)" <bskinner%weber.ucsd.edu@Sdsc.BITnet>,
              "(Lorna Corbetta-Noyes)" <cogswell%CLASS.ORG@Sdsc.BITnet>,
              "(Alice Boyd)" <contraco%CLASS.ORG@Sdsc.BITnet>,
              "(Patti Brommelsiek)" <diablo%CLASS.ORG@Sdsc.BITnet>,
              "(Elliot Kanter)" <elliot%nowalls.UCSD.EDU@Sdsc.BITnet>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
At Diablo Valley College we have several cd-rom workstations (not
networked) with attached printers. We charge 10 cents for each printed
page with the first 2 pages free.  We don't distinguish between full-
text and citation only databases. Although we ask them to pay on an
honor system, giving the money to the loan desk, it has worked re-
markably well to cut down on all the random printing that goes on.

Our INNOPAC uses rolls of paper and we don't charge...and each terminal
doesn't have a printer. Placing our terminal on counter height tables
has also worked well to discourage students from getting to comfortable
and settled in.

Betty Bortz
diablo@class.org
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:43:48 EDT
From:         sheila barham <SHEILAB@vm1.uca.edu>
Subject:      Re: Busy reference librarian
              29 Sep 1992 15:26:27 EDT from
              <JRRETT%WMVM1.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In answer to Jim Rettig's query about how to inform patrons when the Ref.
librarian is away from the desk:

We have a laminated sign we keep behind the desk which can be placed on top
 of the desk when the librarian leaves.  It reads:  Reference Librarian
will return shortly.  Please wait if you need assistance.

This is certainly not ideal--we are often so busy we forget to use the sign.
But when we do use it, it seems to do the trick--at least it prompts patrons
to wait and lets them know that help is on the way.

Sheila Barham
Head of Reference
Torreyson Library
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
sheilab@vm1.uca.edu
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:25:36 EDT
From:         Margaret Hendley <liboff16@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject:      The Coptic Encyclopedia

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Has anyone purchased a copy of The Coptic Encyclopedia, ( New York,
MacMillan, 1991.  8 vol. $1,260)?  We are considering purchase of
this title, but are having difficulty locating any review
information.  If you have purchased it and have an opinion of its
value in an academic library which provides resources for courses in
religious studies, I would appreciate hearing from you.  Or, if you
have located reviews of this title, that would be useful as well.

margaret hendley
Head, Reference and Collections Development
Dana Porter Library
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We allow signups for faculty, staff and students.  Outside users can
use the CD-ROM workstations, but only when not reserved.  Individuals
can sign up for a maximum of two 1/2 hour slots per day.  We prefer
in-person signups, but phone reservations can me made if necessary, as
long as status can be checked in the campus phone directory.

Signups are recorded in a scheduling program on the Reference Desk PC, so
that patron tampering is not possible.  A printed signup schedule is
posted each morning by the workstations, with any same-day updates made
on a special form and posted next to the printed schedule.

Databases currently served by this system are ERIC, PsycLIT, Sociofile,
Chicano Database, Religion Index.  In practice, even in the busiest
parts of the academic year the majority of slots remain unbooked and
available to drop-in users.  However the primary users only restriction
on reservations has resolved the occasional problem of students at
other institutions blocking use by our own students.

Elliot Kanter
Central University Library
University of California, San Diego
ekanter@ucsd.edu
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:38:06 EDT
From:         G_BRUCE@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      "Quick and dirty" searching

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Given that one can get buried in e-mail, I tried to be brief.

The question about the origin of "quick and dirty" as it applies to
searching came out of a marathon week-end seminar on the history of
indexing.  Those who had been in the field since the 50's were
reminiscing.  Someone thought he recalled "KWIC and dirty" as
an "inside" term-jargon-shared by those who worked with Keyword in Context.
One thing led to another--a trip to find OED--more reminiscences, but
no answer.  A couple of people in the group knew information scientists
who claimed to have originated the term, used it for the first time,
to describe searching.  I also know someone who at a conference took
credit for first applying "quick and dirty" to searching.

M>J>Bruce
G_Bruce@TWU
G_Bruce@VENUS.TWU.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:28:09 EDT
From:         "(tom huehn)" <thuehn@mach1.wlu.ca>
Subject:      WANTED: Liberal Arts Library

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
** please excuse the cross-posting to LIBREF-L, PACS-L, & LIBADMIN **

*********************************************************************

I was asked by the person named below to post this request. You
may respond to him - or myself via e-mail.    Thanks

*********************************************************************

        Palm Beach Atlantic College, a progressive four-year
        liberal arts college located in West Palm Beach, Florida,
        wishes to PURCHASE IMMEDIATELY a small liberal arts
        library.

        Do you know of a college that ( for whatever reason )
        would be interested in selling its collection?

        Could you provide info / contacts on finding out about
        possible libraries for sale?


        Please phone, write or fax:

        Dr. Michel S. Simoneaux
        Academic Dean
        Palm Beach Atlantic College
        901 S. Flagler Drive
        P. O. Box 24708
        West Palm Beach, FL 33416-4708

        tel.  (407) 835-4407
        Fax:  (407) 835-4342

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:37:09 EDT
From:         RHADDEN@USGSRESV.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Current Contents on Diskette

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have been rather disappointed in Sci Serach. Olny  Only recently have they f
gotten the software good enough to search several diskettes at once-f
before this each week's worth had to be search separately. I have all-in-all
been disappointed. Also, the software is older, and unable to do many of
the things newer search protocols allow.
good luck!
lee hadden
usgs library
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:20:37 EDT
From:         "(Suzy Turner)" <sjt1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject:      Re: Hours on Desks for Heads/Coordinators
              "SCHREINE@TWSUVM.BITNET" at Sep 25, 92 12:14 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> How many of you out there who are heads or coordinators of reference
> departments and have administrative/evaluative responsibility for the
> department also spend some time on the reference desk?  How many hours
> per week do you spend on the desk?  Why do you serve at the desk?  If you
> could also tell me how many reference librarians cover the desk and the size
> of your student body, that would help also.
>
> My associate dean is asking that I spend ZERO hours on the desk and I need
> some ammunition to convince him that it is a worthwhile way to spend my time.
>
My reference department has 6 full time ref. librarians, including me, and
2 half-time library associates.  We have 3 graduate assistantships.  We must
cover two desks, one a ready ref desk and one in the reference room, itself.
In order to cover these two areas, I work 4 desk hours a week plus one night
(4 more hours) and take my turn in the weekend rotation.  Our desks are open
from 7:45 am -12:00pm M-Th, Ftil 5, sat. 10am-5pm, and sun 2pm-12pm.  A student
assistant is only alone after 10pm.  Sat. is covered by grad assists. With
this small staff we have tech service librarians helping out with two hours a
week on the desk and several other coordinators, including our associate dir.
have an hour each.  They, and I, believe it keeps you in touch with the "real"
world of students and faculty.  How can you tell what is going on if you don't
get out and talk and mingle with those doing research, etc.?  If you sit in an
office too long, you forget what it's all about!
Our student body is about 14,500.
Suzy Turner
Coordinator Reference Services
Mississippi State Univ.
sjt1@Ra.MsState.edu
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:51:08 EDT
From:         GECARROLL@SBMS01.MSRC.SUNYSB.EDU
Subject:      The Library Macintosh

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
	We at the Marine Sciences Research Center(MSRC) are in the process of
establishing a new library facility, the Marine and Atmospheric Sciences
Information Center(MASIC).  Computer technology is to play an important role.
In addition to the traditional MS-DOS based PC, we would like to explore the
possibilities presented by the Apple Macintosh.  I would appreciate hearing
from anyone who has used the Macintosh in a library environment, with emphasis
on software you have found and/or developed for this machine.  Thanks.

=======================================

George E. Carroll
Data Processing Manager
Marine Sciences Research Center
State University of New York
Stony Brook, NY  11794-5000

Internet : GECARROLL@MSRC.SUNYSB.EDU
Bitnet   : GECARROLL@SBCCMAIL.BITNET

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From:         dixie jones <DJONES%NNOMED.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Hours on Desks for Heads/Coordinators

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We have four reference librarians in our department serving a
medical school of approximately four hundred students plus residents
plus a school of allied health with programs in communications
disorders, physical therapy, occupational therapy, respiratory
therapy, and medical technology, in addition to a graduate school
with programs in cellular biology and anatomy, biochemistry,
microbiology, pharmacology, and physiology.  As Head of Reference,
I spend five hours a week on the desk (more if someone is absent).
I feel that I need time on the desk in order to better know the
collection, know the clientele and their needs, and know what
the staff librarians are experiencing in order to have a full
understanding of how the department functions, what its problems
are, and where it needs to go in the future.
Dixie Jones
LSUMC Library, Shreveport, LA
318/674-5447       djones@nomvs.lsumc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:39:33 EDT
From:         "(Mary Minow)" <minow@netcom.com>
Subject:      Re: Hours on Desks for Heads/Coordinators
              92 8:26 am

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I believe it is part of reference departments heads/coordinators' to
> spend time in the trenches at the reference desk if they are to
> adequately supervise and evaluate their reference service and staff.
>
> I currently serve 6-7 hours per week at the desk plus ca. 8 hours per
> month on weekends.  I would like to serve fewer hours but the recent
> cuts in staff make this unlikely.  We presently have only three
> reference librarians comprising our pool of  nine librarians who serve
> at the desk.
>
> Two of our three reference librarians serve 10 hours per week, the
> third is a general reference librarian with fewer subject responsibilities
> and serves 13 hours per week.  Our two coordinators, BI and Collection
> Development each serve 5 hours per week.  The remaining 4 librarians
> from other units serve serve two to three hours per week--Circulation
> Librarian; head of Serials; our public services department head; and,
> temporarily, the head of our branch Educational Resources Center.
> Most serve eight hours once a month on weekends as well.
>
> Our student body is 15,800, approximately 4000 of which are graduate
> students.
>
> I'm anxious to read the responses you get.  Please summarize for the
> list as I'm sure it will be of interest to many.  Thanks.
>
> Elaine Moore                       Phone: 502-745-6122
> Reference Services Supervisor      FAX: 502-745-5943
> University Libraries               Bitnet:moore2@wkyuvm
> Western Kentucky University
> Bowling Green, KY 42101-3576
>


-I was head of reference at the Cupertino Public Library until last month. I
cannot imagine supervising the desk without working it! I see all the
messages point to this direction.  As a branch head, I also worked the
desk about 10 hours/week--reference, children's and circulation.
Mary Minow minow@netcom.netcom.com-
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:38:07 EDT
From:         "Martin.Courtois" <20676MPC@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      CDROM Sign Up

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
At Michigan State University Libraries, we've used sign-up sheets for over 2
years at most of our 20+ CD-ROM stations, which for the most part are
single-user stand-alone units.  Sign-up sheets are put out on clipboards at
the PC on Monday mornings and have 30 minute time slots listed on separate
sheets for each day of the week.  We ask that users sign up for only one 30
minute time slot, and by and large users have been very good about adhering to
this guideline and getting off the machine when their time is up.   Sometimes
users will not allow enough time for printing selected citations at the end of
their search session, and this leads to some backups, but overall users are
considerate of one another and the sign-up system operates without much need
for intervention on the part of the reference staff.

PsycLit has been one of our heaviest used CDs, and for several weeks during
the term this station can be booked solid days in advance, so staff do
take reservations over the phone.  At the other end of the spectrum, our 5
InfoTrac stations are so heavily used, that we just post signs asking that
users limit their sessions to 20 minutes, and folks just wait in line!
But overall, weekly sign-up sheets have enabled us to provide some control of
the situation without constant attention from reference staff.

Marty Courtois
Electronic Reference Services Coordinator
Michigan State University Libraries
East Lansing, MI 48824-1048
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:23:08 EDT
From:         "Gary Klein (bear at heart)" <FAC2813@UOFT01.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Hours on Desk for Heads/Coordinators

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Having visited a number of academic libraries in the Great Lakes, it is
very apparent to me that employee morale tends to increase when Library Admin-
istrators/Managers/Coordinators rotate in the provision public & technical
services.

     "Participatory Management" is one of the subject headings used in business
indexes which will yield research articles supporting this relationship in all
sorts of work settings (manufacturing, sales, services, ETC).  It is definitely
not unique to libraries.  Other phrases which surface are  "Corporate Culture"
and "Institutional Image".

     You can readily find articles about this even in the PERSONNEL LITERATURE
INDEX, as well as in profession specific indexes, such as the ABA BANKING
LITERATURE INDEX and HOSPITAL LITERATURE INDEX.

     Not only does morale improve, but so does the understanding that the
Administrator/Manager/Coordinator has of the institution itself, the way
in which the various departments operate, the way in which the employees
interact, the way in which the patrons interact with the employees, and the
types of problems which surface on a daily basis.

     Just look at the way Sam Walton visited 5-10 WALMART stores each day,
chatting with customers, and employees from the janitors on up to the regional
managers.  WALMART did not grow to be a BILLION dollar company by ignoring the
pulse of its customers & employees!

     I also have first hand experience in seeing the differences that hands-on
involvement also played in the banking & thrift industry, with many dead banks
making the history books as examples of how NOT to run a business.

     BUT just in case you believe that running a library has NOTHING to do
with running a business, then maybe it is time for me to explain to the world
why GENERAL MOTORS is operating as a non-profit charity, and most universities
are actually operating like a for-profit corporation.

"Librarian, Leather Bound"
      * * * *          Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  Univ of Toledo
       *   *                     P.O.Box 12650 / Toledo OH 43606
        * *            WORK: 419-537-2629             HOME: 419-243-2740
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