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From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: is Galicia (spain) celtic?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:16:35 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR


At "festival Inter-celtique" (inter-celtic festival) in lorient, there
were galician people and asturian people .

are they celtic ?
and why is it a celtic country ?

there is no celtic language, galician is a roman language.
but i think, with their culture and tradition they are celtic people.

what are you thinking about that ?
From: caar14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Midweek Football(Scotland)
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:36:48 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Skol cup 2nd round
------------------
Aug 12th
        Heart of Midlothian 1-0 Clydebank
        McLaren         (ht 1-0)

                  Hibernian 4-1 Raith Rovers
                  McGinlay (ht 2-0)
                  Evans(2)
                  Hamilton(pen)

            Stirling Albion 0-3 Celtic (Hampden Park)
                        (ht 0-0)Coyne,Creaney(2)

                    Falkirk 4-1 Forfar Athletic
                    May (ht 0-0)
                    Drinkell
                    Smith,McAllister

                   Arbroath 0-4 Aberdeen
                        (ht 0-1)Paateainen(2),Jess,Shearer

                  St Mirren 1-0 Cowdenbeath
                  Laverty (ht 1-0)

                   Montrose 6-0 Dunfermline Athletic
                              O'Boyle(2),Davies
                              McWillaims,Leitch,Grant

Skol Cup Third Round
--------------------
Stranraer v Rangers
Celtic v Dundee
Aberdeen v Dunfermline Athletic
Motherwell v Falkirk
Kilmarnock v Hibernian
Brechin City v Heart of Midlothian
St. Johnstone v Partick Thistle
Dundee United v St. Mirren

Games to be played during next week. Stranraer have received
permission from Dumfries and Galloway Police to play their match
with Rangers at home. Their ground capicity is only 5000 and so
they are obviously more concerned with winning rather than a big
pay cheque. Good luck to them and also Dundee :-)

The draw for the fourth round has also been made.

Ronnie.
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:42:49 GMT


In article <01GNGXLKTAK200008R@Post-Office.UH.EDU>, RSCH2875@CL.UH.EDU (RUSSELL) writes...
>Is there any way that I might receive the Newsgroup soc-culture-celtic
>via Internet or Bitnet or is it only available ia Usenet?
> 
When I am away, I have a batch job go off each day to e-mail me new articles
in this group so that they are saved in my mailbox and don't expire.

I would guess that it wouldn't be difficult to set up a generic e-mail system
to extract new notes from here and mail them to people without news access
- ie all those people on CompuServe. 

The gateway could be 2 way, I believe there are gateways which will post
articles to usenet from email. You will probably find more details on 
these in alt.bbs.internet


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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:29:19 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug18.092817.6692@cs.hw.ac.uk>, mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan) writes:
> I seem to remember seeing a statistic some time back (Independent on
> Sunday I think) that the majority religion of Irish Americans was
> not Catholicism. Does this imply a large number of protestant emigrants?
> or were catholics forced to change religion? or is my memory faulty?

 I have absolutely no facts on this issue at all - that said, let me just
point out that my experience has been that it very much depends upon
which area of the country you are in. There are pockets of relatively
large Irish Protestant populations in areas of the northeast (a large one
in an area of New Hampshire for example) but my experience has been that
most of the Irish in New England were of Catholic backgrounds. Many
of the Scotch-Irish (who I think are probably the protestants you mentioned in
your article - the part I deleted I'm afraid) who settled further south
I would assume were Presbyterians (sp? sorry). I've also noticed that as 
you travel across the country you will find somewhat isolated pockets of 
Irish Catholics who I assume were descended from the early railroad 
workers. MY view was always biased having come from an area that was
clearly dominated by Irish, French, and Italian Catholics. Quite
frankly, until I moved to Arizona I had no idea what it was or could be like
to live someplace where catholics were a very small minority and
one which was looked upon as somewhat beneath other Christians.... 
strange world we live in....


				gln



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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Books or Poems
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:56:46 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.152653.19382@yang.earlham.edu>, johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter) writes...
>In article <1992Aug14.171818.29971@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>> caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) wrote:
>>> I am very interested in Scottish History particularly the Scottish Rebellions
>>> of 1715 and 1745.   Can anybody recommend some "history" books or poems for
>>> my reading enjoyment?  In English, please.


Much of Sorley Maclean's stuff is available bilingually.

The following book may also be of interest

Date:         Sat, 1 Aug 92 08:07:57 GMT
Reply-To:     GAELIC Language Bulletin Board <GAELIC-L@IRLEARN>
From:         "Craig Cockburn 01-Aug-1992 0757" <cockburn@EDIENG.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Faber book of 20th Century Scottish Poetry

This book has just been published. Editor is Douglas Dunn, price is #17.50.
There was a good review of it in The Times a few weeks ago under the title
"Mapping the Gaelic landscape". There are 400 pages in the book, and poems
by 72 poets. Poems are in Scottish English, Scots, and Gaelic. The review
said "The Gaelic can be heard here in manifold forms, with translations,
from Derick Thompson, Iain Crichton Smoith and the wondrously bardic Sorley
MacLean. The review concludes with "this is a richly instructive and
enjoyable cornucopia. It demonstrates that, in the face of at least as much
hardship and discontent as the rest of Britain, the muse is alive, well and
kicking in Scotland"

Craig
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From: syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Higlander ( Was Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:41:37 GMT

In article <mB8oPB1w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris) writes:

>   For those that don't know there are less than 30 authentic pre 1700's 
> tartans. The rest are dubious at best and many were created in the 1700's 
> and later for fashion reasons.
> 
  Well, which ones are they???

Willy
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From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Higlander ( Was Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:36:33 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

> 
> Dinnae take anything authentic in Highlander to be authentic!
> 
> It's a lomg time since I saw it ( and I fair enjoyed it, apart from the
> gory bits) but I distinctly remember the dreadful research they nust
> have done on the tartans we saw. Didn't Connor's clam fight "The
> Frasers" at one time? Well, whetever they called themselves, they were
> wearing the well-known bogus set of Fraser as introduced by the
> Sobieski-Stuarts. I think the MacLeods was a bogus one as well, but I
> can't remember .
> 
There are 17 different Recognized Modern  Macleod tartans. Conners was 
not one of them. Given the jacobite rebellion and the banning of the 
tartan thereafter however, you never know it just might have been the one 
authentic thing in the film.   
  For those that don't know there are less than 30 authentic pre 1700's 
tartans. The rest are dubious at best and many were created in the 1700's 
and later for fashion reasons.

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;E-mail: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Cows and Sheep
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:19:12 GMT

From article <BstxHt.5FF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib):
> 
> I read a long time ago that words such as "beef" and "mutton" 
> were Norman and "shee[" and "cow" were Anglo-Saxon. Don't know
> how true this was..
> 
> 
> 
If you check a dictionary you will find that sheep and cow are related
to Old Higher German (OHG), and beef and mutton are related to Old
French (OF).

														GW

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From: jtice@ester.UVic.CA (Jason W. Tice)
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:56:04 GMT

Greetings unto the Rialto, all
in rec.org.sca, (Rosa Michaelson) said:
=
=wasn't the 'great plaid' just a large(say 15 foot?) length of nicely
=felted, sorry - waulked, locally spun and woven woolen cloth? Must
=have been fairly greasy, and not as wide as the modern loomed stuff..

	This is true.  Scottish looms were only able to produce material 
	up to 1 yard in width.

	I got this from a book entitled, _The KILT: A manual of scittish
	national dress_ by Loudon MAcQueen Douglas, President of the
	Scottish Society, 1914;Edinburgh, St.John's Printing WOrks, Leith.

	The instructions for dimensions and assembly of the kilt:

	The Kilted Plaid "consisted of from 7 to 12 yards of tartan sewn
	up the middle so as to form a plaid of double width varying from 4
	to 6 yards long, by 2 yards in width. ...  A portion of this length
	was laid on the ground with the belt under it; the lower and middle
	portion being then plaited so as to form the kilt, leaving a flap
	at each side.  The Highlander now lay down upon it, crossed the
	right flap, and next placed the left flap over it and buckled his
	belt.  When he got up, the upper part of the plaid, which formed a
	sort of double-kilt, was fastened with a peice of deer-horn or a
	brooch on his left shoulder [to free the right arm for the sword],
	and part of the plaid on the right side was tucked under the belt.
	... To the waist-belt was attached teh sporran, usually made of
	leather with a brass or silver mouthpeice..."


	Another source for some info, I suspect, about Highland wear before
	the rebellion of 1715 may be _The Kilt and how to wear it_ by The
	Hon.  Stuart Ruadri Erskine, Inverness; The Highland News, 1901;
	Inverness.


Fare thee well,

Daffyd MacColm of the Clan Colquhoun
-- 
I am not who you seem to think I'm claiming you think I am.
							jtice@nero.uvic.ca
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Holidays in the US
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:49:05 GMT

In article <20579@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <41417@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>> Thanks to all who mailed me to say that Route 66 no longer exists.
>
>That is not exactly true. It certainly exists here in Arizona and in a number of
>other states. In fact it seems to be making a bit of a "comeback" in some areas.

I drove all of two miles of it while visiting the Joplin, Missouri
area. Theres an interesting little town called Galena on "Old 66".











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From: pjn@phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Philip J. Naylor.)
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Organization: King's College London
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:25:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

The full details of Aidan Meehan's "Celtic Design" series are :

	1-  A Beginner's Manual  (ISBN 0-500-27629-3)
	2-  Knotwork - The Secret Method of the Scribes  (ISBN 0-500-27630-7)
	3-  Animal Patterns  (ISBN 0-500-27662-5)
	4-  Illuminated Letters  (ISBN unknown - it has only just been published)

All are published by :	Thames & Hudson,
			30 Bloomsbury Street,
			London,
			WC1B 3QP,
			England.

Over here they sell for #5.95 each (say $12).

They all contain (black & white) drawings of many traditional and new designs,
together with all the techniques necessary to construct your own.


-- 
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| King's College London |   of many things: of shoes -and ships -and sealing  |
|                       |   wax, of cabbages -and King's.' "                  |
| pjn@phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk|                     -Lewis Carroll (well, almost).  |
From: JMoylan@cup.portal.com (John Thomas Moylan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Manifesto: New Hope for Unitied Britonnic Nations (DSY)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:50:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Aug20.164419.16228@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>

...but it is coming from a Canadian, after all...
}:)
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From: esharp@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Help with Scot. Bagpipes!
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:23:15 EDT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

I am considering purchasing a set of Scottish bagpipes.  My problem is that I
can't decide between two models.  The firdt, described as "Full size, Sheesham,
natural, aluminum mounts, $300" and the second, described as "Full size,
Rosewood, engraved nickel silver mounts, $360."  There is also a practice
chanter for $36.  What is Sheesham, and what is a mount?  Would it be a good
idea to get the practice chanter to learn with?  Would the second be worth the
extra $60?  Please help.
Thank you, Edwin Sharp
Esharp@npal.rn.com
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From: roger@uvmark.uucp (Roger MacNicol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:32:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug14.183226.63054
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <BsxrKJ.Awz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>
>Reminds me of the scottish stand-up comic who was a guest on 
>Letterman some years back. Can't remember the name...
>
>Letterman just HAD to ask him the requisite question about 
>whether anything was worn under the kilt...
>

I was told that there was a pub on the Great North Road a few years back that 
had a model of a Scot wearing a kilt in the Ladies, togther with a notice
urging the ladies to satisfy their curiosity as to what was worn under a kilt
- the material was attached to a bell in the bar!

(Maybe I should've posted this to alt.folklore.urban)

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From: rbv@cypress.com
Subject: help needed with simple translation
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:14:39 GMT

chrisc@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Chris Chamberlain) writes:

	The other day I posted a request for a translation from Cornish. Well
	when I came in to work the following week, most of the messages in
	soc.culture.  celtic had been deleted which is why I am re-posting as
	I might have missed the reply. The sentence is :

		  "Mor ny geryth ta an tommder gorta yn-mes an gegyn!"

It looks like Cornish to me.

I'll take a more or less wild stab at some of the words, trying to make
correlations to Welsh.

Cornish	unmutated	Welsh	English
	form

mor			mawr	great
ny			ni	not
geryth	ceryth		gerydd	chastisement
an				the
tommder			("tom" is filth, and "-der" forms a noun)
gegyn	cegyn		cegin	kitchen

Or perhaps "mor" is "sea", as in Welsh.  "Sea does not chastise ... uh ...
those who track mud into the kitchen?"

Doesn't make much sense either way, does it?  Perhaps you can give us
some context.

Roger
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Stivell often sings in breton !
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:43:36 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

Conrad Leviston said :
 "Well worth a listen, even if he does sing in French (horrid
language that."

1) Stivell sings 80% of his songs in breton .(celtic language)
2) why do you say that french is an horrid language ?
   i didn't know that there is an hierarchy in languages....

and maybe 3) perhaps it is breton that you consider like an horrid 
   language ?


P.S : excuse me for my bad english, my maternal language is french, this
horrible language.
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Books or Poems
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:51:10 GMT

> |> In article <1992Aug13.185651.20241@sei.cmu.edu>, caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol
> |> Jarosz) writes:
> |> |>
> |> |>I am very interested in Scottish History particularly the Scottish Rebellions
> |> |>of 1715 and 1745.   Can anybody recommend some "history" books or
> |> poems for my
> |> |>reading enjoyment?  In English, please
> 
> 
> =========================================================================

How about Ye Jacobites by Name by Robert Burns.

									GW
								
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From: johansc@hedda.uio.no (Johan Schimanski)
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Comparative Literature - Oslo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:57:34 GMT

In article <22555@sybase.sybase.com>, leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann
Hussey) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Aug14.133307.20288@ctr.columbia.edu> pjn@phsun.uucp (Philip J. Naylor.) writes:
> >	Might I suggest that he learns to create his own designs ?
> >Two books which I can recommend are "Celtic Design - A Beginner's Manual", 
> >and "Knotwork - The Secret of the Scribes", both by Aidan Mehan, published
> 
> I've seen the above books very rarely over here, only in specialty
> bookstores (read: Celtic independants).  Perhaps more accessible, and
> certainly the book out of which I've scanned a mess of copyright-free
> knotwork, is CELTIC KNOTWORK, METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION, by George Bain,
> in a Dover large-format paperback.

It's CELTIC ARTWORK, (k)not KNOTWORK! I have a copy at home; I think many
of the chapters have also been available as seperate booklets.

       J.


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From: edwardd@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Where is "The Bog"
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In response to my query on dual Irish/American citizenship, I learned
that I will need some birth and marriage certificates.  Family
rumor has it that my grandfather was born in "The Bog".  That is
all we know.  Can anyone help me locate such a place?

thanks

ed

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From: 70571.1262@CompuServe.COM (Rick Grunwald)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:16:47 GMT

A friend of mine makes some very nice ceramic jewelry , many in the 
Celtic Knot motif. He is looking for a good source of scanable artwork
to broaden his design base.

Anyone know of some good sources for him? It would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Rick

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:38:23 GMT

In article <BsxrKJ.Awz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.223147.18550@access.usask.ca> goldie@herald.usask.ca (Hugh Goldie) writes:
>
>>Please send instructions for folding and wearing the Great Scottish Kilt or 
>>feileadh-mor.   . . .
>
>Reminds me of the scottish stand-up comic who was a guest on 
>Letterman some years back. Can't remember the name...
>
>Letterman just HAD to ask him the requisite question about 
>whether anything was worn under the kilt...

A Scots friend of ours (Duncan Lunan) just smiles and says, "Nothing
is worn under the kilt madam, it's all in perfect working order!"

He also has fun with the inevitable American question "What clan . . .?"

He looks the questioner coldly in the eye and says "Stuart."

(It's true, too.  About three or four generations back on the wrong
side of the blanket.  But it's amazing how many people who ask that
question don't know what the answer means.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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From: edwardd@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Dual Irish/American citizenship
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:57:39 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

By brother told me that because we have Irish born grandparents on
both sides of the family that we can apply for dual Irish/American
citizenship.  Is this true?  If so, would it help in the event that
our dreams of traveling/working/playing music in Ireland come true?

Who do we contact next about this?

Thanks in advance.

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