HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:45:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois

The last time I wanted to post my resume without having it seen by
my employer, I "innoculated" the company's machines with a local post,
then posted my resume from elsewhere with the same Message-ID.  The local
post from within the company flood-filled all of their machines.  When
my resume post came from outside, the company's machines rejected it
as a duplicate article.

Of course, this isn't foolproof.  Your co-workers may read news elsewhere,
and there's always a chance of a foul-up.  But it keeps your resume away
from most of the people who shouldn't see it.  I was actually surprised at
how well it worked.

--
Rich Skrenta
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep6.202017.20257@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, waltervj@coos.dartmouth.edu (Walter V. Jeffries) writes:
>>encouraging working at home *can* bring rewards to a company (less
>>frazzled workers, less need for parking and office space, more
>>flexibility in corporate location, etc. etc. etc.).
>
>Well, as much as I would like to believe in this, frankly, it doesn't
>work well in general.  I have tried this repeatedly with people (employees)
>and the problem is that most of them just don't get the job done.  They
>good off.  Most people are not able to structure their own time and 
>work well enough for this to work for them.  If they were able to do that,
>then they would also have what it takes to run their own business [...]

Hmmm.... I disagree, Walter.  Unless I'm mistaken, discipline and time
management are just a couple of the skills needed to run a successful
business.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a whole *spectrum* of people
types, from those who require constant supervision to those who can
run a whole business on their own, *and everything in between*.  This
includes those who can work at home effectively (besides; just because
one *has* the skills necessary to run a business doesn't necessarily
mean one *wants* to!)

>This may sound harsh, but I speak both as someone working out on their
>own successfully, and as someone who has had employees (lots) and tried
>to give them this type of freedom and responsibility.  I got burnt,
>badly and repeatedly.

This may sound harsh, but maybe you weren't able to manage those
employees?  Just because they're working at home doesn't mean you have
to stay out of touch!  The technology that allows the remote worker
to communicate with the office should also allow the office to communicate
(and keep track of) the remote worker 8-)

>Well, if your only purpose is to reduce your commute/work hours then
>you might be better off:
>1) Moving closer to your job.
>2) Getting a job closer to home.
>3) Reducing your expenses so you don't need as much income and can
>   work fewer hours.

Well, at least where I'm sitting, (1) conflicts with (3); I live where
I do because the housing is less expensive.  If I did (1), then I'd
have more expenses...  As far as (2) is concerned, there aren't very
many (if any!) jobs in my field "closer to home".  The title of this note
string is, after all, "Earning a living in the country" 8-)

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:12:21 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
: We need to keep an eye on the deviants!
: 	Kraig @ Korporate Kontrol

That's easy enough to do remotely... just see who's posting to
alt.sex.hamster.duct-tape 8-) 8-) 8-)

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6509 misc.jobs.offered:11118 misc.jobs.contract:3382
From: kitty@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jennifer)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.resume,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Info. On INTERPOINT in WA wanted
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:59:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I would really appreciate anyone who can provide me with any information 
on this company--INTERPOINT at Seattle area.  They had changed their name
to INTERPOINT a couple of years ago.

Thanks

please reply to kitty@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

Jennifer
.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:46:52 GMT
Keywords: work at home, telecommute, specifications

 writes:

> In article <1992Sep6.031020.14331@fenris.com> vernak@fenris.com (Verna Knapp)
> >
> >There are probably other similar fixable barriers to working away from the
> >main office. How about let's do a bit of brainstorming on what those barrier
> >are and look for ways to fix them? 
> 
> I think one of the biggest barriers is that management science is about
> 30 yrs behind.  The current state of management in most compaines is not
> really adaquate to monitor or measure intellectual products like software.
> How does management determine how long a project should take (especially
> since most people in management don't have a clue about what's required
> technically.).  How do you measure thinking and analysis?  I think management
> wants to take the easy way out and just consider time on the job - and
> the only way to monitor the time spent is to heard everybody into a 
> centeral location where they can be watched.  Of course it doesn't 
> mean the the employees are being very productive but it makes management
> feel better.
>  
> The solution.... don't know, perhaps we have to wait for the current
> ranks of managers/VPs/etc. who have their roots pre-information age,
> to retire.
> 
I had been out of the workforce for a few years and recently reentered
it. This attitude of 'herding people into a central place' was the
attitude in a nutshell. We're talking about professionals here in a
large brokerage firm. I made it abundandtly clear that I found working
in a traditional office environement numbing at best and a
productivity  (and creativity) killer at worst. The response I got?
How do you know what people are doing and whethere they are working
unless you can see them. Omigod. It's like a throwback to the
industrial revolution.

I hope I'm not being completely naive (probably) but it is
increasingly amazing that in an age where information is the key asset
and it flows everywhere that reliance on an antiquated and
antideluvian system of 19th century work control is an absolute
anachronism.

Paul


 
> Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA


pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: How long before graduation to post resume?
Keywords: post resume advance
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:53:00 GMT

In article <BuF0Dr.5x2@encore.com> sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois) writes:
>I'd start sending resumes out NOW.  I just graduated in May 92 and I sent 
>out resumes from Sept 91 on.  On-campus interviews and replying to ads
>in the newspapers got me a total of 3 job offers in about 9 months.  So
>i'd suggest starting ASAP.  Also, go to as many interviews as you can...
>they're great practice even if you're not interested in the job.  Coming 
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>across well in the interview is just as important as your education
>and experience...Good luck

Don't this for full interview schedules.
You'd be wasting the interviewer's time and taking an opportunity away from
a more deserving candidate.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 21:34:29 EDT
From: <IO20594@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Desktop Publishing

Hi,

Could anyone tell me where I might better find job offers in
desktop publishing?

Thanks in advance,
Denise, e-mail, io20594@maine.maine.edu
From: v113mg25@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Job Seeker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Software Testing Jobs
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have a shot at a software testing position, but I've heard that testing
is, or can be, a dead-end move in the life of a software engineer.  I 
certainly wouldn't mind testing for 2 or 3 years, but eventually I'd like
to do some development work.  How would prospective employers then look
upon a couple of years of testing experience?

Since I'm a recent graduate, and my choices are limited, I was wondering
what advice anyone out there would have for me.

Thanks.

--JS
From: jmgst26+@pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How do you get over the "No recent college grads" hump?
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:12:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jmgst26@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

I have one year of experience managing a Financial Aid database, and went
back to school for my Master's for more education (to make myself more
employable, since my undergrad degree is business admin ).  I am coming
up against the same paradox that I faced after completing my undergrad
degree, that I need "experience", but NO ONE will give you that shot!
Now I am slightly better off since I have one year of DB management.  Can
anyone recommend an area where I can gain some experience, where employers
will give you some training.  I plan to work in the DBMS area.

Other "stories from the front lines" would be welcome ...

Mike Goodwin
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Legitimate looking article...
Keywords: Ingres, Postgres
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.000008.26554@csi.uottawa.ca> duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors) writes:

Hey, that's me and it does not even look humble!

My mailer had given its usual snarly and nagging prompt about not wasting
Network Bandwidth so I'll keep this inappropriate message, appropriately short.

Does anyone know who distributes Ingress/Postgres in Canada and how to get
a hold of them for basic information, including pricing?   Answers
sincerely appreciated.

Rob D. 

P.S. There must be some suitable comp.obscure group, but I don't know it.  So
if this query seems a little off, please don't waste any more neural bandwidth
reading it! (Must be in a good mood to get flamed).

                      -----------------------
duwors@csi.uottawa.ca  aka  Robert Du Wors    Tel:613.831.1930 Fax:613.831.0272
                            141 Country Lane, Kanata, Ontario, Canada   K2L 1J6
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: $$$$$FEM/FEA STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS IN DALLAS$$$$
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:27:57 GMT

   EG&G Fla. has positions open at the SSCL for a FEM/FEA structural analyist
using ANSYS.  Thermal analysis experience is helpfull. Contact Lynn Wickham
at 208-529-8700.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: Canadian vs. US health care
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:36:40 GMT


>From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)

>It's gratifying that at least *some* Americans are aware that the Big Lie
>technique is being used to totally misrepresent the Canadian health care
>system.  Having spent the first 34 years of my life in the US, followed
>by ten in Canada, it's clear (to me, at least) that the Canadian system
>is so obviously superior (not only to the present US system, but also to
>nearly every alternative proposed by Major Politicians down there), that
>it's hard to understand why anyone would oppose it.  People with vested
>interests (e.g. the insurance industry, the AMA), of course.  But what
>about Joe and Jane MiddleAmerica?

There is no Big Lie. The Canadian health system only works for 3
reasons: 1) 48% income tax 2) the government determines all physicians
fees and rations hi-tech equipment and 3) the people who the
Canadian health system cannot accommodate can come to the US.

In other words, Americans could have the Canadian system by 1)
increasing US income taxes dramatically, 2) getting the AMA to agree to have
the government control the livlihood of it's member and 3) find
Another country where American can go when there is a 6 month wait for
critical medical procedures. No problem, right?

Advocates of the Canadian system are quick to point to the benefits,
but they nerver mention the costs: outrageous taxes and government
rationing of health care. There is no free ride. You pay for health
coverage one way or another.  But in America you are far better off.
Example: Canada has no tax deduction for mortgages. If I lived in the
US I could buy private health insurance equivalent to what I get here
in Canada *simply by using the money I would be getting from my
mortage tax deduction* and I'd still be paying US tax rates, getting
gasoline at half the price I pay here, etc.

Don't be hoodwinked, America. If you look closely, you'll see that the
Canadian system of the 90's is no more a solution than the British
system which was so touted in the 60's. Moreover, the Canadian system
itself is in big trouble because of costs. User fees and other limits
are only a matter of time. 

Lastly, does anybody think that the government, given their track
record for controlling spending, is going to be successful at
controlling health care costs? To quote PJ O'Rourke, "Giving money and
power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to a
teenager."

Marc Green
Trent University
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From: alanh@cup.portal.com (Alan E Hattman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: VaxCluster Manager,Sacramento CA (2 Yr contracts) (Broker)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:48:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

****************************************************************************
  Mini-Systems Associates            Technical Recruiter: Steven Rhudy
  100 Homeland Court  Suite #405     Telephone: (408)451-0260
  San Jose, CA  95112                      Fax: (408)451-0277
                                    Email: alanh@cup.portal.com (ASCII ONLY)
****************************************************************************

                                 JOB # 146WS

POSITION TITLE      : VaxCluster/VMS Ops & Support Mgr
SKILL REQUIREMENTS  : All-In-1, System/cluster performance tunning

LOCATION OF CONTRACT: Sacramento           START DATE: ASAP
CONTRACT PAY RATE   : Open (DOE)           LENGTH    : 1-2 Years

           * Provide Mgmt leadership to Operations environment of a 7-10
             node, multi-hub, CI-based production cluster.
           * Chair Cluster/VMS System Managment Meetings
           * Define and Implement Cluster Performance Management and
             Capacity Planning strategy
           * Serve as cluster and systems focal point to all other major
             technologies and technology managers to include:
             - PCSA/Patherworks Management
             - Network Management
             - ALL-IN-1 Management
             - E-Mail Management
           * Provide cluster & systems config. mgmt
           * Co-develop and implement operational policies & procedures
           * Review, approve, & audit startup, shutdown, backup,
             security strategies & procedures
           * Serve as responsible individual for operations readiness,
             Monday through Friday 6am - 6pm
           * Provide mgmt status and reporting accountability to Digital
             and customer
           * Provide Testing/Evaluation of new system/application
           software and develop and execute implementation plan
           * Provide daily hands-on cluster and systems mgmt support 
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:3359 misc.jobs.offered:11058
From: kornfein@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Roger Kornfein)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Database programmers, OR & WA / RECRUITER
Keywords: Unix, C, Oracle, Informix, Sybase
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:55:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep13.225540.20254
Distribution: usa
Organization: E.D.P. Markets and E.D.P. Consultants Inc.

>DATE POSTED    		September 8th, 1992

>POSITION	    		Informix, Oracle, Sybase Developers

>LOCATION	    		OR, Portland & WA, Seattle area

>SALARY 	    		$35 - $45 / hour; 3 - 6 month contracts

>REQUIRED	    		3+ years experience developing database
	  	    		applications using Oracle/Informix/Sybase,
	  	    		preferably in a Unix/C based environment,
	  	    		U.S. citizenship or permanent residency.

>DESIRED	    		BS, experience programming in C, software
	  	    		development and testing methodology experience.

>DESCRIPTION    		We have ongoing needs for contract programmers
	  	    		using the tools identified above. 
	  	    		Companies range from manufacturing & services
	  	    		to both large and small hi technology companies.


*********************+*******************************************************
*	I'M SORRY BUT WE ARE UNABLE TO ASSIST NEW COLLEGE GRADUATES        *
****************************************************************************


Please reply to:

Roger Kornfein
E.D.P. Consultants Inc.
4000 S.E. International Way
Suite F203
Portland, OR 97222

PHONE:  	    (503) 654 - 9600
FAX:	  	    (503) 654 - 2120
From: mbg@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (mitchell.b.germansky)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: ---<<< OPENLOOK DEVELOPER @ CENTRAL NJ >>>---
Keywords: OpenLook X-Windows Unix C 3+ yrs exp.
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:25:42 GMT
Organization: AT&T


OPENLOOK DEVELOPER
    immediate position in central NJ
    must have 3+ years of full-experienced openlook development
    unix/c, x-windows
    only strong candidates should apply

Please respond by:
    phone: Ellen @ Computer Solutions Group, Inc.
	   908-464-8874

    email: att!suntoss!mbg (i will forward to Ellen)
From: laurad@kenda.mv.com (Laura dos Santos)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: ***AREV opportunity in DC***
Distribution: usa  
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:03:36 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.


Greetings,

KENDA Systems, Inc. is an international software organization, specializing
in placing quality computer consultants for a wide variety of companies
throughout North America and Europe.       

Currently, my DC office is looking for a consultant with Advanced Revelant/AREV 
database experience.  Sorry, this is not an entry level position.  Only 
consultants with a minimum of 2 years experience will be seriously considered.  
For more information, please call Kathy @ (301) 595-3022.

Thanks!


Laura dos Santos				Telephone: (603) 898-7884
laurad@kenda.mv.com				Address:   KENDA Systems, Inc.
						           1 Stiles Rd.
						           Salem, NH 03079
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: SEEK Sucks
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:07:42 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <BuErD8.HCz@well.sf.ca.us>, rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree) writes:
|> In article <BuEAuy.o1@world.std.com> wfp@world.std.com (William F Phillips) writes:
|> >In article <BuE95L.KHD@well.sf.ca.us> rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree) writes:
|> >:I responded to one of the various SEEK posts, which reminds those of us
|> >:*NOT* in New England to please not respond, even though SEEK
|> >:is posting their stuff world-wide.
|> >
|> >They DO post with an "ne" distribution.  If the postings leak out to
|> >other regions, that's the fault of somebody's broken software, and not
|> >SEEK's fault.  They post through world.std.com, which, like well.sf.ca.us,
|> >is a public-access site.  
|> 
|> 
|> Not quite. If you look at their posts carefully, you'll find misc.job.misc
|> and misc.jobs.offered in the Newgroups line. You folks at world
|> must have some mighty intellegent news software. More likely, I'd
|> reckon, is that SEEK is explicitly sending their posts to those groups.
|> 
|> Broken software, I think not.

If you look at their posts even *more* carefully (and also read Bill's
posting more carefully), you will see that they are posting with
Distribution:ne . Like he said. So somebody's news software is leaking.
Like he said. It is true that (in my limited experience) the Distribution:
line *usually* leaks, but there's nothing SEEK can do about it.

|> From: seek@world.std.com (SEEK)
|> Newsgroups: ne.jobs,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
|> Subject: PC Lan Software Quality Contract for Boston area refQuality+recruiter+
|> Message-ID: <Quality-920910-seekad@world.std.com>
|> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:20:53 EDT
|> Reply-To: seek@world.std.com
|> Distribution: ne                              <<<<<---------------------||
|> Organization: SEEK Consulting Companies Ltd


Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: paul@openage.openage.com (Paul Fischer)
Subject: Programmer needed (DC area) SCO development
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:15:04 GMT

Open Age Inc. is looking for a contract programmer to do work in the DC
area.  The contract is 3 to 6 months.

Candidates should have experience in SCO Development systems, RDBMS, X,
and networking.

Although the candidate needs these skills they may not actually be programming
in EDBMS or X.

Please e-mail resumes and querys to:

paul@openage.com

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Independent SCO support and service provider in the D.C. metro area.
What I don't know I will learn. What I can't learn I'll hire someone to.
Paul A. Fischer           | Open Age Inc.  | paul@openage.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract