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From: Rick_Lang@amusers.UUCP (Rick Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: PageLiner and BME Patches
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:41:23 PST
Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

In a message dated Mon 14 Dec 92  2:48, soft-logik@cup.portal.com (Kevin W
Davidson) wrote:

>In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  2:53, soft-logik@cup.portal.com (Kevin W
>Davidson) wrote:
>
> KWD> These patches can be applied only to version 1.1.1 of these products
> KWD> and update them to version 1.1.2.
>
 KWD> You can try it. There really is, however, a version 1.1.1 of
PageLiner.
 KWD> If it works (or not) post the results here.

I tried the 1.1.2 plpatch on my 1.1 Pageliner and it failed; do you
remember if there was a 1.1.1 patch (hopefully not called plpatch) and if
it was also uploaded for ftp?

Thanks, Kevin; you're great.

 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

-- Rick Lang
   Editor of the AmUser News - the Victoria Amiga User Group Newsletter

E-mail replies use rlang@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca - not the address in this
message!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: pjaques@ray.cs.oberlin.edu (String Bean Willie)
Subject: Re: recommend good Editor ??
	<alien.01cz@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> <15775@suns7.crosfield.co.uk>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:05:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: ray.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I haven't used AmigaGnuEmacs, mostly 'coz I have a floppy system.
What I want is something that acts like emacs (or at least has the
right, or user-definable, bindings, with command-prefixes... whoever
wrote MEmacs was on drugs ;={ and will fit in around 300k on a disk.

Also, a friend who _does_ use AGE says it takes forever to come up on
his A2000HD/2.04/68030.  Why is that?

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.applications:9526 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8089 comp.graphics.animation:1377
From: sharma@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Sharma Kunapalli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: which machine should I buy?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:39:57 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.warren.mentorg.com
Keywords: animation, machine, rendering packages

Hi All:
	I am considering buying a machine to do
some graphics/animation work. I have a few questions:

1. How does a 486 compare with an amiga (3000, 3000T, 4000)
   Is there commercial animation software that 
   runs on 486?

2. If I decide to buy an amiga, which one of the
   three models should it be?

3. I also need some advice on rendering packages.
   I read that Real3d is better than Imagine. Any
   comments?

4. Which Graphics card is the best?

All answers are really appreciated. You can either 
email/post. (email is preferred, ofcourse)


Thanks.


Sharma
-- 
The opinions expressed here are solely mine. My company has nothing
to do with these.

Email: sharma@euler.warren.mentorg.com
From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: Good news for "Snap" users
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:30:33 GMT

In article <1gjmkgINNmsa@uwm.edu>, bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
> In article <57505@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
> >	I have some good news for people who stopped using "Snap" by Mikael
> >Karlsson under Workbench 2.04.  Since I upgraded to Workbench 2.1, Snap
> >appears to work perfectly!!  I'm using Snap 1.62 on a 68030 Amiga.
> >
> >	Under 2.04, Snap would sometimes incorrectly copy the text, so a
> >word like "Hello" would paste as "HHHHe" or something like that.  This
> >problem seems to have disappeared completely under 2.1.
> >
> >	Yay!! :-)
> 
> Boo!!.
> 
> Hearing stuff like this really cranks my wheel.
> 
> It is NOT good that stuff that didn't work under 2.04 now works under
> 2.1 flawlessly.


Hmmm.  Just for the record, I used snap 1.62 on my 2.04 Amiga2000
without ever seeing this "HHHHe" type problem.  And it's been working
fine with my 3.0 Amiga4000.  Of course I've never tried to snap bold
or italics so I can't comment on that.  Now, if only it understood
AGA when snaping graphics....


Rich...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: Amiga Font Editor/Resizer
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:18:51 GMT


rcaslis@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis) writes:
: In article <1992Dec9.192058.22071@socrates.umd.edu> tmurray@socrates.umd.edu (Tony Murray) writes:
: >Question:    Does anyone know if there's a program available on
: >             the net that is a bit more versatile than the Font
: >             Editor?  Specifically, I'm looking for something to
: >             make re-sizing existing fonts easier, since I have
: >             to make several size variations on some fonts.  If
: >             you know of one, do you also know where I might find
: >             it? 
: >
: 
: Calligrahper, a commercial package, can do what you want.  I believe it should
: run $50-$80 around now (it's a little old, but works on both 1.3 & 2.0)

	If sizing is what you do then I'd get WB 2.1 (Or 2.04 will do)
They have an scalable fonts and you can build any size without jaggies.
Now for complete bittmap design I'd go for PFM a European product but
is very powerful. For scalable fonts Soft-Logic have a very prffesional one 
coming out. (They are very reliable so their announcment is as good as the
product in your hand) Their is another scalable one in Europe (Fontdesigner ?)
I don't know much about that one. 
: 


: Russ
: --
: Russ Caslis
: rcaslis@uci.edu

	George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: hpcvbbs
From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:25:11 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

When I get onto hpcvbbs, I goto a files area for hp48 then select read 
msgs and summary, which it does ok. But Then it starts scrolling the 
msgs in order and not from the begining. I have not found out how to 
read a particular msg, given its number. Can some one please give me 
step by step instructions?

   cheers steve
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Radio for HP48sx
Date: 20 Dec 1992 05:54:23 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <1992Dec17.210114.3576@nic.csu.net> dane@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Dane Jasper) writes:
>>In article <guest.3.724432502@dhhalden.no> guest@dhhalden.no (GJEST) writes:
>>>
>>>Hrmph!	Why do you all get this wrong....Douglas and Joel : my intensions 
>>>were strictly limited to making a net of hp's on my school, and NOT to cheat 
>>>on any exam....as if I should need that :)  
>
>Hmm..  I can see this - packet chat - you ask "Where was Custer's last
>stand?!" and the on-duty HP Network person in the library quickly looks it
>up for you and types back the answer.  This could lead to instructors with
>radio jammers!  =)  What next??   With regards to 'as if I should need
       ^^^^^^^

Hah! We'll just start using spread-spectrum transmitters....

>that'; with the HP's solve and equationwriter applications, multiple choice
>becomes rediculous!  Just plug in all the answer and find the right one..
>
>Dane Jasper


-- 
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From: FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Power of 2
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:22:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

! From: kcooke@stein.u.washington.edu (Kenneth E. Cooke)
! akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn) writes:
! 
! >flynn@sabrina.dei.unipd.it [Salvatore A. Colomba] writes:
! 
! >> I have a better one [to test for a power of 2]; I've not tested it,
! >> but it should work in principle...
! >> << DUP LN 2 LN / IP 2 ^ - >>
! >> It should give zero only if the number is EXACTLY a power of
! >> two...:)
! 
! >Doesn't work at all.  I assume you meant
! 
! >  << DUP LN 2 LN / IP 2 SWAP ^ - >>
! 
! >which usually works, but fails for 2^19, 2^24, 2^29, 2^34, and 2^39.
! >Replacing the LN's with LOG's fixes all these cases but then fails for
! >2^6, 2^8, 2^35 and 2^38.
! 
! >Algorithms which work in principle often fail in practice due to
! >round-off errors.  Good hypotheses deserve the honor of being tested.
! 
! >-jkh-
! 
! Here is a cleaner way to check for a power of 2.  As Joe points out, you 
! should not depend on "ideal" mathematics when working with a limited-
! precision machine.  You can sometimes get away with this kind of thing on
! the HP48, because it has an EXCELLENT implementation of floating-point
! arithmetic (thanks in part to Prof. Kahan).  My only regret is that they
! threw out the full IEEE version in the HP71.
! 
! This is a user-code translation of the power-of-2 check in FFT.  If your
! binary word-size is N, it will work for 0 to 2^N - 1 (for binary integers).
! It considers #0 and #1 to be powers of 2.
! 
! << NOT DUP 1 + OR 1 + #0 == >>
! 
! The first "1 +" will fill the first 0.  If there was only one 0, the second
! "1 +" will cause it to roll-over to #0.  Sorry if this makes no sense :)
! 


Actually the problem was in using IP to get the integer...  numbers like 
1.9999999999999 will return 1 where 2 is the desired result.  I think
using something like 5 RND instead of IP should do the trick.  Or 2 -
ABS 0.0001 <


__a__d__a__m__
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:40:02 GMT
Subject: So-Cal PPC Xmas Party
Message-ID: <2b29cf98.2388comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

                          === ANNOUNCING ===
     THE 1992 PPC/CHHU/HPX/ETC CHRISTMAS PARTY AND GIFT EXCHANGE
                   === Friday 18 December 1992 ===
                          7:30 pm - ??:?? am

The members of the Southern California HP 48 & 95 User's Club (no
membership dues, no newsletter; just meetings on an irregular basis at
random locations) will be having our annual Christmas Party and Gift
Exchange at Harry Bertucelli's home (as we've done for the past
umpteen years):

                           Harry Bertucelli
                          123 S Reese Place
                          Burbank, CA 91506
                            (818) 846-6390

We'll rendezvous at Harry's place at 7:30 PM, and soon afterwards go
out to a local restaurant for dinner together, then return to Harry's
for the party, which is open-ended.

Gift Exchange: Bring anything HP-handheld-related, preferably not
terribly valuable (rare is nice) and DON'T WRAP IT.  The gift exchange
is done in a bizarre way: Everybody draws numbers from a hat, and then
all go in that order and pick any one gift they wish from the pile, OR
on your turn you can opt to take away the gift from somebody who
already picked, in which case they lose their gift (to you), and they
must pick a new gift from the pile.  It's nutty.  It's hilarious.
It's Richard Nelson's idea (betcha could tell!).  Gifts have ranged
from an old, beat-up HP-55 Owner's Manual (I still have it!) to a
complete HP-41 system (Gary Friedman still has it!).  The gifts have
begun to wander away from being HP-related for the past few years,
which nobody minded, since it ups the V-factor.

All HP 48 and HP 95 enthusiasts are welcome.  Please call Richard
Nelson at EduCALC if you plan on attending, so that a restaurant
reservation can be made, and he can give you directions to Harry's
place:

                            Richard Nelson
                               EduCALC
                   (800) 677-7001 or (714) 582-2637
                           Mon-Fri 8am-5pm

Free Goodies Disks (the real things!) for all who bring blank high-
density floppies along!  Bring an extra set of batteries, too, and be
ready for some heavy-duty software swapping.  See you there!

-Joe Horn-
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: <--- need to know basics of machine code progr.
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:59:21
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
Distribution: world
	<724738334detlef.detlef@dmhh.hanse.de>
NNTP-Posting-Host: miser.uoregon.edu
In-reply-to: detlef@dmhh.hanse.de's message of Sat, 19 Dec 92 04:12:14 GMT

In article <724738334detlef.detlef@dmhh.hanse.de>
detlef@dmhh.hanse.de (Detlef Mueller) writes:

   Get the HP kit !!! The SASM doc is very complete; the whole doc gives a good
   overview how the 48 is working. If you decide to use the HP mnemos mail me a
   short notice, I'll send you a copy of the <-RPL-> library (a sys-RPL
   de/compiler and dis/assembler - needs ~50k RAM on a freed card for a full
   installation) so you can use the 48 itself for coding.

Anyone for writing something like TinySTAR, an AG assembler that
could run on the HP 48?

The SASM documentation is not too bad, but the processor
reference is incomplete.  Many instructions in the version of the
Saturn processor used in the HP 28 and HP 48 are not documented.

The SASM documentation is also quite redundant -- for example,
there are 12 mnemonics for register-to-register addition, of the
form "r=r+s", "s=s+r", and "r=r+r", treated as having 12
different opcodes, and each instruction having identical
descriptions.  On the other hand, in my processor reference using
STAR mnemonics, the three general opcodes for "ADD.f r, s",
"ADD.f s, r", and "ADD.f r, r" are described in a few lines.
This another of the hurdles to learning the HP mnemonics --
rather than learn one mnemonic and the acceptable operand
combinations, with HP mnemonics you have to learn literally
dozens of mnemonics, then figure out how they are formed from
acceptable operand combinations.

The STAR diagnostic for "move.a a, d" is "Inconsistent operands
for MOVE".  Perhaps it would be even better to say "Invalid
register combination for MOVE", which would be more clear.  The
HP diagnostic for "d=a a", "Invalid mnemonic", is not very
helpful at all.

   Well, I've some experience in 680x00, Z80, 6502 and at least 80x86 (urgh) -
   IMO the HP Saturn assembler is only another one to learn (I agree that it
   is funny :). Why not program a CPU using the mnemonics specified by the
   manufactor of this CPU ?

Why use the manufacturer's mnemonic set if you find it complex
and confusing, and a more comprehensible alternative exists?  I
have to admit that I am firmly on the side of the AG mnemonic set
-- if you are already familiar with assembly-language programming
on other processors, you will probably have a much easier time
learning the AG mnemonic set.

Although I wouldn't quite say that the AG mnemonic set is a
context-free grammar, it is much easier for me to read, since
opcodes and operands are more clearly separated.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: dane@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Dane Jasper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Radio for HP48sx
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:54:44 GMT
Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA

In article <1992Dec14.192605.19394@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:

>I know this isn't what you wanted, but, if you stretch the definition of
>"radio" a little, you already have one built in -- the IR port!  This built
>in radio just happens to be transmitting up in the GHz range and has
>a line of sight transmission pattern. :-)
>
>It'll happily zap programs, etc. to someone all of... 6 inches?... away.  
>The IR LED has plenty of zing in it, but HP hobbled the receiver so that
>people wouldn't be tempted to CHEAT ON EXAMS.  Ahem.
>
>(This is actually an interesting move... it lets the 48 still act like a
>remote control, vs. hobbling the IR LED which would save a lot of power,
>but diminish the 48's hacker value.  Hmm.)
>
>						---Joel Kolstad

Does anyone know of a way to get more range?  Perhaps some sort of a real
radio add-in card would do the trick - I've seen some awfull small FM
transmitters that have a decent range.  I would at LEAST like to get into
the next room or so away, and perhaps have the whole package fit in the card
slot with the case shut.

Dane Jasper

---
dane@nermal.santarosa.edu 
If you would like to reach me, please use mail - I just can't keep up on
news.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: How do you insert between lines in program?
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:37:44 GMT

	Hello everyone.  I just got my Hp48SX last wednesday.  It
came with Tetris and Pacman.  I skimed through the menu for the
past week, and yesterday I tried to edit program.  
	The Pacman game will say something like "Votre name...."
(French, I believe) if you made a high score.  I got tired of
it and I was trying to change the string.  Well, I found the
file "HIGH" which contains the part of high scores.  The
Orginal string is separated (2 lines), so when it displays, it
displasy in 2 lines too.  I edited it, and the 2nd line of the
string was longer than the orginal which it extended to the right
side of the screen: "Please enter your name, hot shot..".
Well, When I tried to rerun it, the Screen would display only
22 characters of the 2nd line of the string, and the rest
of them is leaved out.  
	Since I used to have a TI-85(which has the nice "Insert
command" function which enables me to insert anything between
2 command liens), I tried to find a way to bring the extra
long part of the string to the 3rd line.  That way, everything
is displayed.  Well, guess what?  I spend 3 hours, look through
every single menu on the HP48, my 2 volume manual, and searched
every possible word in the Edited Version of HP Manula Index.
However, I can't find anyway to break a long command line into
2 separte lines, nor insert something between 2 command lines.
I looked through the PRG OBJ in detail, since that's the
menu which enables you to editing objects.  However, I can't
find anything in there.  I even tried to convert the program
part to a Matrix, and do some cut/replace, of course it didn't
work.
	I know normally, when you have too long command lines,
after you saved it back to the variable, HP48 will automatically
edit it so you can see the whole thing on the screen instead
scroll to the right.  However, this doesn't work for the string
inside a program.  Besides, doesn't HP have a function which
enables you to insert something between 2 command lines?  Just 
incase you omit something.
	I haven't had time to look all the program samples and
command yet, but I did read about the string in program part
in my manual, it didn't answer my question.  If anyone knows
the answer, please help.  Thanks in advance.
				Ming

	(Sorry to make this post too long, but I was just
try to explain everything in detail, hope I didn't lost you:)
	BTW:  HP doesn't have a TRACE function?!  And not
much ZOOM optinos too!:(
From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Spreadsheet programming guide
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:00:42 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.


The Omnibus (spreadsheet) programming guide and techniques is available.
It is available at no charge (excluding postage) to SmartROM registered
users.

The Guide will be included in all the future editions of the manual.

Who is not a registered user and wants to know more on the capabilities
of Omnibus may purchase the guide at the price of 22$ (plus postage).

Bye

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699)
Subject: Re: Horn disk #8 (and a comment)
Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:39:09 GMT

In article n@lynx.unm.edu, meissner@triton.unm.edu (John Meissner) writes:
>	Secondly,  a sugestion for the FAQ file (to whomever maintains it)
>put a line at the top of the file that says:
>
>	DONT EVEN THINK OF POSTING TO THIS NEWSGROUP UNIT YOU HAVE READ 
>THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE!!
>
>	This is just a sugestion of course.
>

This assumes that the new poster sees the FAQ - A major problem with
the entire concept of FAQs, IMHO.  Lets not start a flame war over
this.  I'm just commenting that I have been reading some gruops for
about 5 months now and have yet to see a FAQ...

Just my $0.02 worth.

Chris

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                     else agrees with them.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: TRon II
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:17:39 GMT

	Sorry to ask, folks.  But I have never DL any programs
between the HP and the comptuer before.  Anyway, as some
of you may see,the game Tron II consists 2 parts of
ASCII files, the 1st one is labeled something like
ASC form, the 2nd part (which says "start here"/"end here" too)
is labled like "libarary".  I am a liittle confused.  Do
I convert those 2 files into one file?  Or do I uncode them
separately?
	Also, I am not sure where to cut the apporpriate
ASCII files, do I cut it under the---------------lines?
or below "begin here"?  or cut from the " mark?
	Thanks in advance.  All answers would be
greatly appricated.
				Ming

PS: no one knows how to insert a command between 2 command
lines inside a programs yet?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: guest@dhhalden.no (GJEST)
Subject: Re: Radio for HP48sx
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:15:02 GMT

In article <{m#@byu.edu> dougc@bert.cs.byu.edu (Douglas R. Cannon) writes:

>Do you mean compact enough that your professor will not be able to tell
>that you are using it during an exam??
>
>Doug

Hrmph!	Why do you all get this wrong....Douglas and Joel : my intensions 
were strictly limited to making a net of hp's on my school, and NOT to cheat 
on any exam....as if I should need that :)  
I am sorry if this reply pops up two times.

Tor Atle Lunde 		email:  tnay@acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au	subj: X.snill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Radio for HP48sx
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:36:21 CST

In article <BzByLx.Dx7@acsu.buffalo.edu> meyer@acsu.buffalo.edu (DJM) writes:
>
>Now,
>How do we go about un-hobbling...

...the receiver?

Good question, but it's going to be a little hard that un-hobbling the IR
LED would have been if they have simply reduced it's power output by
changing one little resistor. :-)

						---Joel Kolstad
From: charliep@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Charles Patton)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:29:45 GMT
Subject: Sonic Plotting
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA