From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Violent protest
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:02:26 GMT

In <BxMqut.4vF@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:

>rl>My question is this: If gun ownership 
>rl> were illegal, would you kill policemen sworn to uphold the law?  

> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson):
>ds> You missed it, Russ.  The police swear to uphold the law.
>ds> Given that the second amendment to the Constitution is above any
>ds> local or state law, they cannot take guns and still be upholding the
>ds> law.  Note also that I've sworn to defend the Constitution against
>ds> all enemies, *foreign or domestic.*  That includes the police, the
>ds> government, the military, and the people should it become necessary.

>Would it include the supreme court justices who are endowed by 
>the constitution with the rightful authority to intrepret the 
>constitutionality of our laws?  Would it include upstart 
>individuals who pretend that they themselves are vested with such 
>interpretative powers, rather than the Supreme Court justices?  

	I just scanned Section III, and I see nothing that states the
Supreme Court can change the Constitution by judicial fiat.  Upstart
individuals?  Certainly.  The upholding of the Law is not dependent
upon the ranking of the upholder in the judicial or law enforcement ranks.

>ds> You'll just have to trust me to have the judgement to not shoot
>ds> those who don't require or deserve it, Russ.  For the police, I'd
>ds> have to say that illegal attempts to confiscate my guns will be
>ds> ignored or met with court action.  Should they turn violent, they
>ds> will be met with force.  This would require that they act illegally,
>ds> but I sincerely hope this never becomes the case.

>I'm still waiting for you to answer the question:  Is it be acceptable
>for you to kill policemen who are sworn to uphold laws that you haven't 
>personally approved?

	No, but that wasn't your original question, now was it?  To answer
the original question, I would kill police enforcing an illegal law if
I felt that my life was endangered by the enforcing of that law.  If the
police knocked on the door, politely asked for my guns, or even if they
produced a court order or search warrant, I'd comply and fight them in
court.  If they rush in without knocking, weapons in evidence, etc...
Well, let's just hope they identify themselves well first or that I am
not at all prepared.  Illegal law enforcement is still illegal.

>rl> Do all arsonists deserve such a death?  Or just AR arsonists in
>rl> particular?

>ds> 	All.  Have you ever fought a fire?  

>Yes, I have.  Have you ever known any policemen who were killed
>by folks who considered themselves to be above the law?

	Yes.  Said folks are now married to other inmates named "Bubba"
or else feeding crabgrass in the cases where their shooting was not
justified according to law.  The citizens who shot police conducting
no-knock searches without identifying themselves were considered
justified and are free once again.  Again, justice.

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