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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

>>Sure, when are the anti-privacy folks going to let me purchase Caller-ID.

>When the phone company offers it with block-blocking, the ability for
>callers to stop their numbers from being transmitted and the ability
>of callees to refuse calls without transmitted numbers.

If you don't want someone to have your phone number then simply
don't call them.

>The phone company apparently doesn't want to offer this because it
>would make it harder for Radio Shack (for example) to quietly collect
>phone numbers.

If you don't want Radio Shack to have your phone number, choose not to
call them. If you don't want Radio Shack to see who you are, don't visit
their stores. If you don't want Radio Shack to note your tag, don't
drive to their parking lot. That is, choose to be private and you'll
maintain your privacy, regardless of Caller-ID.

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From: neihart@ga.com (Carl Neihart)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:55:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gerber Alley Technologies

I have found a good solution to the caller ID issue...

I have a single physical line, with 2 extra distinctive rings.

I have purchased a box that routes the call to one of three
lines, depending upon how the phone is ringing.

My primary line goes to my PC/fax card, so any slimeball getting
my number off of caller ID and trying to call me, will simply
get a loud beep in his ear.

I give out one of the 2 extra rings to my friends, and the
third line is used for another purpose.

This way, only people who I've actually given my phone number
to will be able to call me.

Note that a distinctive ring never shows up in caller ID,
directory assistance, phone book, etc.

The call route box (avail from Home Automation Lab at
1-800-HOMELAB) or the RD1000 from mailorder (this is the one
I have) doesn't even pass ring voltage to the connected lines
until after the end of the first ring and it has determined
which number was called; therefore, you never even hear the phone
ring unless they are calling the authorized number.

I've also found the Friends Only device, available from
Home Lab, very usefull too...  it answers the phone after
the first millisecond of ring voltage, and asks the caller
to enter an access code...  however, I have set things up
without the Friends Only for now, because the Friends Only
is bad for those calling me long distance and I'm not home...

regards,
carl neihart 11/20/92
From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Avoiding Databases ?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:49:04 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Does anyone out there know of a good guide (on the net?) for techniques
to use to avoid being placed in databases. Using incorrect names /
numbers etc.

Appreciate any advice.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Subject: Re: Magnetic strip stopper
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:43:02 GMT

cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:

>How about running a demagnitizer or strong magnet over your new license as 
>soon as you get it?  The grocery checkout swipes it through a couple times,
>oh well, have to pay enough attention to type in the info by hand.  How
>quaint and old-fashioned.  If/when you get pulled over, cop mumbles, you
>mumble back promising to get another (must be my eelskin wallet ;-)  

Card stripes can be made with high coercivity (>200 oersteds) materials that
will resist demagnetization by other cards and eelskin wallets.  You'd
best have a good explanation handy, e.g., work near NMR machines, if a cop
can't read the card.

/pbp
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	-- J. Neil Schulman
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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:43:56 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said
# Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
# unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
# if she gets phone service, he'll find her.
# 
# If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.

Simple.
Just list the phone in someone else's name. I've always managed this
without a great deal of trouble. At worst, be prepared to post a
deposit. It helps to have someone ready to say they know "you" and
such.
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Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:17:44 GMT

>>Could you or anyone tell me how, without using Caller-ID, someone
>>could choose not to listen to such a caller?  Only Caller-ID provides
>>this ability, people want this ability (how many million peep-holes
>>are sold each year), and hence people want Caller-ID. 
>
>That's an easy one.  Just add a PIN to your phone number, and give the PIN
>out only to those people that you want to have it. 

Question 1: My phone company has no idea what this is, let alone provide me
with it, so what gives?

Question 2: How do I give out the PIN to all those people I want to have it?
The post office, the police department, the hospital?

Question 3: How do I get the PIN back from someone?

Caller-ID would work just fine, if the anti-privacy folks would get
out of they way so I could get it.

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Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:09:11 GMT

In article <_njq53g@lynx.unm.edu> n5gax@leo.unm.edu (Duke McMullan n5gax) 
writes:

>In article <phurley.78@tamu.edu> phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
>>I have two phone lines--one for voice and one for my computer. As I was 
>>sitting at my computer one night, the phone connected to it rang and I found 
>>myself accosted by a local salesperson. Now, this phone line was added well 
>>after my first line and the phone company graciously allowed me the option 
>>of leaving the second phone line unlisted. This is handy since I have no 
>>reason for anyone to call me on that line and I don't give out the number 
>>nor have I written it down on any forms.

>This is fairly easy to fix, from your end, and there are at least four
>distinctly different solutions.

>1)  Enable your modem's autoanswer function (Your modem _will_ autoanswer,
>won't it?  Of course it will.) to take all calls on that line.  Live salesbugs

[...]

Only if the computer is on which it often is not.

>2)  Put an answering machine on the line.  You could even find a dead number

[...]

Assuming I have money to burn on an answering machine that serves only one 
purpose.

>3)  Disable the bell in the telephone.  That's easier than it sounds.  You'll

[...]

>4)  Unplug the bloody telephone.  You're only using that line for a
>direct-connect modem, aren't you?  Just unplug the phone.  If you decide _you_
>want to use the phone, just plug it back in.

No, I'm not only using the line for a direct-connect modem. Both of these 
make the phone useless to me, otherwise I would not have gotten a phone for 
the line in the first place. All of these solutions make my phone hostage to 
the greedy marketeers out there that abide by the philosophy that it is 
easier to ask forgiveness than get permission.

>Solution 4) is the simplest.   KISS.  ;^)

Philip Hurley               "It is absurd to say that you are
T.A.E.X.                    especially advancing freedom when you only
Computer Technology         use free thought to destroy free will."
(409) 845-9689                              -- Chesterton
p-hurley1@tamu.edu             I, too, disclaim.
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:44:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov23.234459.22708
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <By0rIx.H0J@ga.com> neihart@ga.com (Carl Neihart) writes:
>get a handheld cellular phone, and make that
>your only phone...  don't get a landline... even if the
>bastard figured your phone number out, he still couldn't
>figure out where you were...

Cellular phones, being radios, can be located.  This is probably
beyond this husbands ability and resources, but its not impossible.
On the other hand, if shes only using the phone from one place, it
makes it that much easier to track it down.

>if you can make any long calls from payphone or work,
>and just use the cellular for the occasional incoming
>call, etc, this may be feasible...  esp on one of the 
>plans like $69/month and 100 minutes free...

Most women leaving their husbands experience a *massive* drop in
economic status.  $69 a month, plus paying for all incoming calls, is
expensive.  Solutions involving lots of money aren't great.




Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all because of elections.  How true that is.
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:41:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Nov19.144956.10641@qiclab.scn.rain.com> Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>When the phone company offers it with block-blocking, the ability for
>>callers to stop their numbers from being transmitted and the ability
>>of callees to refuse calls without transmitted numbers.
>
>>The phone company apparently doesn't want to offer this because it
>>would make it harder for Radio Shack (for example) to quietly collect
>>phone numbers.
>
>You might want to check your facts. Acoording to all the discussions
>over on comp.dcom.telecom, the ability to block blocked numbers is a 
>*standard* part of the "call blocking" feature.
----	
	Depends on what type of blocking you are talking about.  From the 
new I read, the only way the state PUC would allow the telco to 
implement caller id was if a user could by *default* block out the
transmission of his number *always*.  The telco company wanted to
force users to type-in a special code before each and every call to
do this type of blocking on the assumption that most users would be
too lazy to type in the code each time.  

	Since the PUC put this requirement on the telco's proposal, the
telco has declined to offer caller-id at this time claiming that the
ability for users to block the transmission of their number by
a 1 time blocking procedure, would make the system useless.


-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:19:27 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <phurley.78@tamu.edu> phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
>I just had something annoying happen which I suspect cannot be controlled or 
>avoided. Maybe someone out there has some thoughts.
>
>I was therefore very curious to find out where the salesman got the number 
>and found out that they were sequencially calling all numbers in town. They 
>offered to remove the number from their list for which I was grateful. Only 
>later did I realize that they *still* have my unlisted number. It's the one 
>between 123-4566 and 123-4568 which is left off the list BECAUSE ITS 
>UNLISTED. I supposed caller ID is supposed to help one avoid this problem?
>

CallerID won't help much in this scenario since the salesman admitted
that he was sequencially calling all numbers.  This happens a lot with
computerized calls and is sometimes known as "war dialing."

The only benefit that CallerID would give you is if the caller didn't
block the distribution of his number AND he was calling from a phone
whose line transmitted that information AND it didn't cross an areacode 
boundary.

Dave


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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:35:19 GMT

In article <1echmcINNlcd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:
>Others said
># Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>Simple.
>Just list the phone in someone else's name. I've always managed this
>without a great deal of trouble. At worst, be prepared to post a
>deposit. It helps to have someone ready to say they know "you" and
>such.
>--
>A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

I had no trouble when I wanted to do this.  All it took was a call
to the Telco.  The best names to use are very common ones that occupy
a lot of space in the phone book.

Dave

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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093

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From: anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:01:38 GMT

Thanks for all the help.  I've found out a few things, like it's
not illegal to use a fake name if you're not going to defraud.
A fake address is also necessary because the husband can find
the phone number from calls from other friends and relatives.
Another friend (who left her husband years ago) still pays all
her bills without using personal checks.

This is all completely unfair.

> If he really is a threat then get a restraining order
> forbidding contact and have it include orders to the phone
> co. ordering them to prevent him from accessing any records
> in order to locate her.

Apparently his finding her through those records would be
grounds of firing.  She doesn't want him to get in trouble
at work, so I don't think she'll want to alert the phone co.
(She's not quite prepared to break the silence -- the familiar
story, of course:  so few people even know about the situation.)

The paperwork for a restraining order is completely insane,
by the way, as is the cost of processing it.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,talk.politics.guns
From: ckincy@mcs213h.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: address, phone # list of congress
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:18:38 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov20.031114.29511@eff.org> David Banisar <Banisar@eff.org> writes:

>All Senators can be reached at:
>
>Sen. Blowhard
>US Senate
>Washington, DC 20510

Shouldn't that be, "The Honorable Senator J. Random Blowhard" :)

cpk
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:04:58 GMT

niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:

>The only benefit that CallerID would give you is if the caller didn't
>block the distribution of his number AND he was calling from a phone
>whose line transmitted that information AND it didn't cross an areacode 
>boundary.

Actually, areacode boundaries have *nothing* to do with it. You *will*
get caller-ID info on any call from an properly equipped ecxchange
as long as the entire route supports SS& (Signalling System 7). It's
possible to get it on long distance calls *now*. 

And since the FCC is *requiring* SS7 on all trunks by early 94 (for
reasons having nothing to do with Caller ID) that won't be a problem
soon.

BTW, even if the calling party has blocking on, the info is sent 
to your exchange. So you can *still* do "block calls from last caller"
or "call last incoming caller". And you get a *different* message
from blocked numbers than from "not available"  numbers.

-- 
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,alt.conspiracy
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:34:17 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"

kevin@andorra.ssc.gov (Kevlar) writes:
>         Here in D/FW there is a store that recently opened called
>       "Incredible Universe" (home electronics, appliances, computers,
>       etc) Well i've been told that upon entering this store an
>       individual is issued a membership card with a bar code.
>         Any subsequent visits.....the member must bar code IN
>       just to enter the store. Also scan out upon leaving! ^^
>          Does this make anyone else out there think?
>          What kind of data profile could be assembled from this?
>           I don't consider myself paranoid, but it starts to
>        make you wonder about the ever increasing number of apparant
>        devices in place to track or assemble data!

the only reasonable response to this sort of behaviour on the part of
companies is to ask for a new card every time you go there
don't say you left yours at home, just come up with a different id
each time
if they want some sort of pitcture id, don't have any
or if you're like me, some of your stuff has your middle initial, some
doesn't
use fake id's, etc.
i doubt they'll keep you out with no picture id in any case

if they say "you have no money"
you've just come to browse
pay cash, always
etc.

don't fight a war with your wallet
fight it with theirs
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:16:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov23.231603.22330
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Nov19.161806.7678@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>>Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>>unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>>if she gets phone service, he'll find her.
>
>One course of action would be to lie to the phone company about her name and
>National ID Number (SSN).  Another would be to move in to a group house,

The phone company does not need your SSN.  I've never had to go higher
than the 1st layer of management to get my phones approved., without
giving Nynex my SSN.

Adam



Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all because of elections.  How true that is.
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From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <44955@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous) writes:

>Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>if she gets phone service, he'll find her.

Call the business office, explain the situation, let them check her
credit, but then create the account in a fictitious name.  Or, without
explaining to the business office, use a fictitious name, but establish
credit by reference from a bank or established customers or by a
deposit.  (It's generally legal to use any name you would like as long
as you do not do it for fraudulent purposes.)


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@rusure.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Magnetic strip stopper
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:28:03 GMT

Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO (paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

: Card stripes can be made with high coercivity (>200 oersteds) materials that
: will resist demagnetization by other cards and eelskin wallets.  You'd
: best have a good explanation handy, e.g., work near NMR machines, if a cop
: can't read the card.

Why?  If they can't read the card, they just punch the DL number in by hand.
I doubt if they'd even care.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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