From: lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu (L. A. Spangler)
Subject: Re: Underground-Abducted Kids
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I would have replied directly in mail, but the post lacked the 
original attribution. 

In article <724339840.6@fquest.FidoNet> Allan.Hitchmoth@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Allan Hitchmoth) writes:
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>MO->Does anyone have any information on the Underground either run by Faye
>MO->Yaeger or the one that split off from them.  Also,  do they have any
>MO->ties to a similar Underground in Europe?  

Recently, several news shows have run items on the Underground Railroads 
which have been utilized by parents to abduct their own children.  You 
might check on Compuserv where Journal Graphics has a directory of the 
transcripts you can order.  All the interview shows have run segments 
on the URR's as well, but I tend to discount some of their information 
because of their sensationalistic nature. 

Another good "primer" might be People Magazine, from 1988 or 1989.  They 
ran a cover story on Yeager's URR, which basically was a how-to manual 
for abducting parents.  

Yet another source of information would be the periodical index at the 
library.  With the Yaeger trial recently, there was quite a bit of 
media regarding them. 

Finally, two other valuable sources, the National Center for Missing 
and Exploited Children in Virginia, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 
Both organizations are quite involved in trying to derail some of these 
individuals. 
B
>MO->My former spouse abducted my 
>MO->4 year old daughter in March 1992 and is alleged to be with the
>MO->Underground or starting one in the U.S. or Europe.  She used to be a
>MO->Vice President in Telecommunications at Wells Fargo Bank in San
>MO->Francisco and left with $150,000 Cash to start a branch of the
>MO->Underground?  I held Joint Custody and was getting close to full
>MO->because of some of the tactics she used to try and get custody.  Two
>MO->Private Investigators linked to the Underground have assisted her,
>MO->James Curtis of Oregon (his daughter was caught and is standing trial
>MO->) and the other Hal Lipsett of San Francisco.  Please provide me any
>MO->information you can for the benefit of my daughter.

Regarding the PI's who may have helped your ex wife, find out which 
attorneys have filed suit against them for Interference with Child 
Custody.  Perhaps (very likely) they will share information with you. 

>Talk to me about the underground 'bro. Which uderground? There's
>underground drugs, underground firearms, underground pornography,
>tell me what you mean (I'm not being a wise guy, I really want to
>know, I'm a little new at this myself.) 

Slight flame - This is a bit offensive, I'm sure, both to the original 
poster, as well as many of the other readers here.  My children were 
kidnapped, and rode the URR for three years before they were recovered. 
Please, if you don't know, don't "chime in" in this fashion. 

>I left my message header
>complete for a reason. I can't promise anything but an extra set of eyes
>and ears, just tell us all you can about your wife, about the
>investigators, about the underground itself, and about the people you've
>named here.

More importantly, tell the police, the FBI, and InterPol.  Get in 
touch with the US State Department and check on your childrens pass 
ports (FREEZE THEM IMMEDIATELY), file for an immediate change in 
custody making your the sole custodian, file suit against the friends 
who helped her, drag them into depositions lasting a day or two.  Make 
life miserable for those who helped her, make it cost them, and one 
of them will break.  Insist on mail covers by the local police department 
of FBI.  Check telephone records, etc. etc. etc.  The only way to 
really make a parental abduction work is to completely cut off contact 
with friends and relatives.  It may take some time, but old habits are 
hard to break, and contact will eventuallyi be reestablished.  

If the original poster would care to respond via e-mail, I would be 
happy to discuss this further with him.  An address which I can be 
reached at is below.  

>Al-   (New Hampshire)
>
Lance Spangler 


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