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From: eric.walker@channel1.com (Eric Walker)
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UG>Thank you, I am well aware that some Beatle-type person claimed it was
UG>actually "cranberry sauce". I was making a *joke*. That's J-O-K-E. Not a
UG>request for up-onemanship (up-onepersonship) or a show of trivia expertise.

     I wasn't trying to upstage you or correct you - I was simply offering
     one version of that infamous line that I had heard; I didn't know if
     you had heard the same story or not.

     I always thought that the "Paul Is Dead" consipiracy existed only in
     the minds of the more paranoid Beatles fans, anyways.  (I was born in
     1967, so I never experienced that particular fad personally.)
---
 ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ And through the wire I touch the power...
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:48:43 -0400
From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca
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Hi!

I haven't been receiving my digest lately.  I received only one last week.
I know my mailer was down for a couple of days last week and I wonder if
you took my bounced mail as a permenant absence?  I'm still here and still
want to get the digest so please keep sending it.  I look forward to this 
every day and I've missed it.

Thank you.

Andrea
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:40:42 -0400
From: mapmef@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M E Fletcher)
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Subject: Wow
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I am totally stunned by the extreme misinterpretations of the
song Wow that I have seen recently! Here is my alternative interpretation.

Matt

andrew david simchik writes:

>	I'll probably get in trouble for interpretation again, but could
>someone help me with this?
>	The lyrics to "Wow!" contain a line which *sounds* like: "He's too
>busy hitting the Vaseline".  If this is really how the lyrics go, am I
>mistaken in assuming that Kate is establishing the "He" as a--to be
>technical--homosexual?  If so, I wish she could have found a more appealing
>turn of phrase.  It borders on the offensive, were I the easily offended
>type.

Theatre actors wear heavy make-up known as greasepaint. After the show it
is removed by rubbing it off with vaseline. Hence "he's too busy hitting
the  vaseline" means he is too busy back in the dressing room cleaning up
to receive any applause/accolades etc. No dressing room with a star
and make-up girls for him. There is no implied reference to homosexuality.

gerstel@quaker.admin.upenn.edu writes:

>The actor mentioned in "Wow" is meant to be a negative model in a couple of
>ways - "you know it's no thrill/he just holds his breath", etc.  I'd say that
>the stanza ending in "He's too busy..." is saying that he's letting sexual
>pleasure get in the way of his career and his life.  The phrase Kate uses is
>crude because it fits what he's doing to himself.

"Many an actor dies on stage, it's not for real he just holds his breath."
This line is crystal clear, it's nothing to do with sexual pleasure in the
slightest! The metaphorical meaning is about failure.

glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke) writes:
>	Yes, I understand the song to be referring to homosexuals, but
>in a positive way.  Don't forget, the actor's "Vaseline-hitting" is why
>"he'll never make the Sweeney (movie theatre?) / Or be that movie queen".  
>I've always taken this to refer to discrimination in the acting business.
>The song also sez: "We'd give you a part, my love, / But you'd have to
>play the fool."  My guess is that this is the sort of implied
>condescending attitude such an actor would get a lot of. 

Once again, it's losers/failing to make it etc. not about homosexuality.
The Sweeney was a very successful British TV cop show around the time
the song was round. The song is about the miserable existence failed
actors/actresses have, not realising their ambitions. They're never the
stars, only the bit parts. The fool is a common Shakespearean role.

Please feel free to comment/flame if you still believe that Wow is
a "queer positive" diatribe, but personally I think you've got hold of
the wrong end of the stick.

Matt
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:34:28 -0400
From: s.telford@ed.ac.uk (Scott Telford)
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Subject: Two Never Forevers
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Never Forever #20 is out. Interesting bits: In the "CK's Pop Forum"
newsletter accompanying it, there is a report of a rumour "from a
usually reliable source" claiming that KaTe and Del have split up.

Nigel Kennedy was at KaTe's mum's funeral. He turned up late, but
brought his Strad with him and played something appropriate.

The UK '70s music video compliation that features KaTe, has,
apparently, the original Rockflix Wuthering Heights video on it, not
the Keefco one.

My Never Forever box set arrived yesterday. IMHO, it's not as
impressive as the Lionheart one: the book design isn't quite so great,
and the photos aren't either. All the photos are from LFI (London
Features International) and are a wide and varied selection: the early
EMI ones of KaTe wearing those bizarre quilted Samurai-looking things
and kimonos, KaTe in red dress in field of daffodils, KaTe riding
porpoise, KaTe in mock chain-mail jumping out of giant magazine
cover, and even one from the Hounds of Love album launch.

The T-shirt is white with the original "Never Forever - Kate Bush"
logo, fairly small.

[PS. Yes, I'm now working at the same place as Evan Welsh. In fact,
he's in the office next door! No, this isn't entirely coincidence 8^)]

-- 
Scott Telford, Service Division,          / "Can I assume you're pissed out of
Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre,      /  your head on 'Big Sky', on the new
University of Edinburgh, UK.              /  album?" - Peter Swales,
<s.telford@ed.ac.uk> - (+44 31 650 5978)  /  interviewing Kate Bush, 1985.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:17:13 -0400
From: 72210.2035@CompuServe.COM (Mike Weaver)
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Subject: Bad Teachers
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Hello Jeffery C. Burka, this is Angel. I REALLY did not mean to sound
snotty-I was a little shocked about Andrew's comments but I did not mean to
sound like I apparantly did.  I would be a horrible teacher, wouldn't I? My
first conversation on the net and I REALLY F**KED UP!  I'm very, very, VERY
sorry.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:52:26 -0400
Subject:  Sexual pleasure? RUTH
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi)
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72210.2035@CompuServe.COM (Mike Weaver) writes:

>        Excuse me Mr. Andrew D. Simchik but I am curious to know how on earth
> you have arrived at the conclusion that Kate's lyrics to RUTH is about her
> wanting her male companion to experience female sexual pleasure?  According
> to Kate it's about the whole ball of wax, the complicated roles each of us
> have in a relationship.  RUTH is least of all about sexual pleasure.  Think
> about it.
>  
> ANGEL
> 
> 

Just to throw in my two cents....RUTH seems too suspiciously like the 
opening to Dante's Inferno...especially when you couple it with HoL...but 
then I was noted for never really progressing beyond the 14th century.
                     Kateness,
                           Lionheart

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:39:07 -0400
From: foster@convex.COM (Harry Foster)
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Subject: Re: Who is Happy Rhodes?
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Pamela Takayoshi writes:
>
>I have a question that I know someone here can help me with--I have read about
>Happy Rhodes on this bulletin board before, and one night late, I heard an
>interview with her on public radio.  So I know she exists (or they? is it the
>name of a group or an individual person?), BUT no one I know has heard
>of her (and my friends know a lot about music).  I've also been unable
>to find anything by her in a couple of record stores that have a wide 
>selection of music.  Can someone help me with this?  I feel like I'm living
>an episode of the Twilight Zone.  Where is this woman??
>
She's no woman ... she's one of the Gods.

Don't worry, at any moment you'll be inundate with a myriad of
details concerning Happy Rhodes - who happens to be one of my 
favorite Gods.

-hf (who still wants to know if it's just me, or does anyone else 
     wonder what's become of the brilliant Sinead who once did "Troy"?  
     "Are you not my girl" CD - HATED IT! <ecto-smiley>)
-- 
Harry Foster                                        foster@convex.com 

    "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass!"
				-Republican Senator Barry Goldwater
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:13:53 -0400
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke)
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Subject: Oh no!  It's the duble postings again! again!
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	Has anyone else noticed that certain articles are being posted
twice?  Sometimes with different Subject: lines??  I've noticed that
articles I've posted to the group first show up with (no subject given!)
as the Subject, and then a bit later with the correct header.  This
formula varies ... sometimes it's even screwier!
	What's the deal??

	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca   
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:28:45 -0400
From: welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk (E Welsh)
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In article <9210131450.AA26217@relay1.UU.NET>, M.E.Fletcher@gdr.bath.ac.uk writes:
> >	I'll probably get in trouble for interpretation again, but could
> >someone help me with this?
> >	The lyrics to "Wow!" contain a line which *sounds* like: "He's too
> >busy hitting the Vaseline".  If this is really how the lyrics go, am I
> >mistaken in assuming that Kate is establishing the "He" as a--to be
> >technical--homosexual?  If so, I wish she could have found a more appealing
> >turn of phrase.  It borders on the offensive, were I the easily offended
> >type.
> 
> Theatre actors wear heavy make-up known as greasepaint. After the show it
> is removed by rubbing it off with vaseline. Hence "he's too busy hitting
> the  vaseline" means he is too busy back in the dressing room cleaning up
> to receive any applause/accolades etc. No dressing room with a star
> and make-up girls for him. There is no implied reference to homosexuality.

I can't criticise your reasoning, but she has been known to pat her bum
while singing that line and looking cheekily at the camera...nuff zed!

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________
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\ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre               (+44 31 650 5960) /
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:01:13 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: RUTH Lyrics
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	The lyric in "Running Up That Hill" does not read "slap our faces";
it is "swap our places."  Presumably Kate refers to allowing her partner to
experience female sexual pleasure while herself experiencing male sexual
pleasure.
	And considering all the confusion over lyrics, and considering how
wonderful those lyrics are, why has Kate never published a collection of
lyrics and overdubs?  Seems to me this would be an indispensable item.

				Keep Dreaming,
				Andrew D. Simchik

PS This is my first-ever posting.  If I'm missing any protocol, someone
please let me know.  My opinions and the U of R's are worlds apart.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:04:54 -0400
From: FLWALKR@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU (Delirium)
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Subject: PRIMUS SUCKS, FISH ON!!!! :)
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Sorry if this already got posted, I got cut off in the middle
of posting it due to call waiting and have no way of knowing if it
got sent...
ANYWAY, I just borrowed Misc. Debris by Primus ("We're Primus and
we suck!" - Les Claypool, Bassist/lead singer... :) and guess what
cover they do???? Intruder by Peter Garbiel!!!! :)  I don't know 
what the original sounds like, but the cover is pretty cool...
They also cover Making Plans for Nigel by XTC, Have a Cigar by
Pink Floyd (!), a Residents tune whose name eludes me at the moment,
and Tippy Toes by The Meters...  It's a pretty nifty little Digi-Pak,
and I think you all should go out and buy it, now... :)  Course,
I'm biased, I *know* Primus sucks!!!! :)

Whatever
Chad Walker
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:36:20 -0400
From: MIHARKI@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU (Luigi Vercotti)
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Subject: Tori on N a N
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Well, Tori *was* on Night After Night last night.  Yes!  I got
the whole show on tape, if anyone's interested in getting a copy,
email me.  She played "Winter"  I thought her performance was
just simply great.  The camera work was much better than on
Arsenio (like it's difficult to do better than the camera work
from Arsenio) but, get this, Allan actually *talked* Tori.  In
fact, they ended up playing the piano together.  Ok, Tori played
and Allan *tried* to play. <-- quite a sight (sound?) I must say.
:)  This is definitely the best of the TV talk show appearances
that I have seen and have on tape.  Allan Havey rules!  Long live
Night After Night!!  :)  That's about all I have to say about
it......

Kevin
miharki@indsvax1  or
miharki@indsvax1.indstate.edu

"...they're neither moral nor majority..."
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:11:57 -0400
From: MJM@ZYLAB.MHS.CompuServe.COM (MJM)
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Subject: another day
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HPM-emiritus:
   Roy Harper wrote the song and originally performed it.  It is on one
   of his albums (*Fast, Baroque, and Ugly*? I don't recall right now the
   exact title.)  Several people have covered it, including Kate Bush and
   Peter Gabriel, who performed a duet version of it on Kate's Xmas
   special in 1979.  The 4AD supergroup This Mortal Coil also covered it
   on the album *It'll End in Tears*, Liz Frazer doing the vocals.

My impression was always that the album was Unknown Soldier.
I have not gone particularly out of my way, but over the last
3 years I have looked in an *awful* big number of stores and
have yet to see a copy of this CD.  Is it on CD?
-mjm


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:15:17 -0400
From: EDERUGGIERO@macalstr.edu
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Subject: greetiings...
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Hey there..
   This message if for ANGEL.  Seems as if you're new at this..and quite
paranoid about the net. Well, I just got on to the mailing list TODAY, and am
quite confused. I saw your list of "prefered artists" and like your taste in
music.  If you have some time, e-mail me about how to go about all of this
"chatting" business. Thanks!
                             Erin
send mail to: EDeRuggiero@maclstr.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:36:14 -0400
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:11:22 GMT

In article <9210131450.AA26217@relay1.UU.NET>, M.E.Fletcher@gdr.bath.ac.uk writes:
> >	I'll probably get in trouble for interpretation again, but could
> >someone help me with this?
> >	The lyrics to "Wow!" contain a line which *sounds* like: "He's too
> >busy hitting the Vaseline".  If this is really how the lyrics go, am I
> >mistaken in assuming that Kate is establishing the "He" as a--to be
> >technical--homosexual?  If so, I wish she could have found a more appealing
> >turn of phrase.  It borders on the offensive, were I the easily offended
> >type.
> 
> Theatre actors wear heavy make-up known as greasepaint. After the show it
> is removed by rubbing it off with vaseline. Hence "he's too busy hitting
> the  vaseline" means he is too busy back in the dressing room cleaning up
> to receive any applause/accolades etc. No dressing room with a star
> and make-up girls for him. There is no implied reference to homosexuality.

I can't criticise your reasoning, but she has been known to pat her bum
while singing that line and looking cheekily at the camera...nuff zed!

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________
/ Evan Welsh                                          <evan@ed.ac.uk> \
\ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre               (+44 31 650 5960) /
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:49:57 -0400
From: news@leland.stanford.edu (Mr News)
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From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Odds and Sods
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:45:06 GMT


There have been passing remarks in r.m.g. about a project called
"Odds and Sods" or something like that.  What gives?
Is this a record of unreleased stuff, and has Kate really cancelled
the project?  :-(

Inquiring minds want to...    etc. etc.

Cheers,
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    Stanford University          |   Saying `Leave me alone,
  drk@leland.stanford.edu        |   I'm perfectly safe here inside.
                                 |   Please don't surprise me.'   -- K. Bush
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:58:54 -0400
From: fmcquarr@sfu.ca
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Regarding WOW: I agree that it is more a song about a bad actor. "He'll
never make the screen/He'll never make the Sweeney/or be that movie
queen". My interpretation is that the poor fellow in question is so
bad that he will not even get a part on a rotten TV cop show. 
 
However, that does not mean the song is not about homosexuality. In the
video, KB sings "He's too busy hitting the vaseline" while sticking
out her bum and patting it, which would seem to imply the - uh -
other use of the substance. (And in any case, isn't it cold cream that
takes off greasepaint). I personally don't see this as being pro- or anti-
gay, just a statement that the actor in question is either too busy
pursuing his love life or is too "swishy" (OK, OK, flame me now and 
believe me later) to be cast in macho tough guy parts.
 
ANd while we're on the subject: I never perceived a sexual element in
Running Up that Hill. I just saw it as a statement that the characters
wanted to "exchange the experience", i.e. live each other's lives so
they could understand how they hurt each other and interact with each
other. "Running up that hill/running up that building" could be
male/female related (e.g. building as phallic symbol) but I always
heard it more as wanting to know what the other person does and thinks
in their day to day life, facing challenges. 
 
Boy I'm sure glad I am a graduate student so I have all day to contemplate
these weighty matters :)
 

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:02:58 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
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