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From: sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington High Energy Physics Group
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:41:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.210138.12370@colorado.edu>, mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.) writes...
>I just heard the AP wire reports on a couple
>stations out here that John Birks "Dizzy" Gillespie,
>a giant in the development of American Classical music, died
>in Englewood Hospital today.
> 
>He had pancreatic cancer.
> 
>For some reason the only box I picked out of my collection
>to bring to school was my new _Dizzy's Diamonds_.
> 
> 
>WJM

 To answer another poster, it was _Dizzy's Diamonds_ playing
in the room, when Gillespie passed, with his wife Lorraine
by his side. He was a giant and genius, who avoided the drugs
that killed his contemporaries, and stayed married to the same 
woman til the end. He is no doubt teaching Gabriel some new changes. 
Swing low, sweet Cadillac...

> 
>p.s.
> 
>BTW, Nureyev (sp ?) also died today. It will be interesting
>to see if they play Dizzy the way they did Art Blakey when
>Bernstein when they within a few days of each other.
> 

 Based on NPR's coverage, and the ABC news last night, folks
realize who the true innovator was.

       ================                           
         Lee Sawyer                                  

         Dept of Physics                          
         Univ. of Texas                            
               at Arlington                        

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13685 soc.culture.african:7475
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Black Man's Burden.
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:31:05 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.213524.25041@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Blanche R. Steppe) writes:
>Chad,
>
>Now that you know the problem(s), what are YOU doing about solutions?
>
>You list some items that I agree with and some that I disagree with.  However,
>I would like to hear what you and others are doing to correct "things" that
>you think are wrong.  What have you accomplished?
>
>Blanche

Well Blanche, I am currently forming an organization of which I can not name
because of the legality of trademarking the name. But, anyway, the purpose of
my organization is to bring intelligence and Afrocentricity to
African-Americans. The organization not only brings speakers to the
African-American community, but also tries to provide real tangible solutions
to real tangible problems. We try to provide means for African-Americans to
escape the spoils of the system and to try to overcome the odds. We are seeking
media involvement along with providing the neccessary resources and avenues for
the African-American community to help itself. Look for us on Philly's Drexel
TV Channel 54(DUTV). 
	Also, I in terms of what I have done is regulary going back to my community
and talking to the neighborhood kids along with my own nephew to try to instill
in them pride in African-Americans and also provide some options to achieving. 
Furthermore, I am President of the Society of Minority Enginneers and
Scientists(S.M.E.S. aka NSBE) at Drexel University, a predominately white
institution, where I constantly create programs to affect the African-American
community at Drexel and in the area high school located near the school through
a program we created call PCI:Pre-College Initiative.
	Lastly, I am involved in my Fraternity:Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity,
Incorporated. Through this we try to provide achievement of men in the college
environment. We give scholarship to Philadelphia High Schools and we do
programming on college campus to affect African-Americans. Well, that's what I
do, and for me, it's still not enough.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
      "Feed a man a fish, you feed him for a day,
        teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:28:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.040310.12751@cs.wm.edu> sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo) writes:
>
>But many people agreed that you should date whomever you want.  Many
>people only denounced the rest of your pitiful note.  It's Ok to date 
>whatever and whomever you want.  Just don't make sweeping generalizations
>based on skin color.  "... The Content of Character and Not the Color of
>the Skin ..."   Can you grasp that?

Are these the same people who referred to me as Judas, or the white
man posing as a black man? (Anything to avoid their ignorance and
intolerance and how un-American it is. But then again, this is probably
the same group I'll find out there denouncing America as it is..) 

And if it is wrong to make such sweeping generalizations, then what
about the generalizations made about blacks who date out of their
race? Like that user who said I should enjoy my hamburger because I'm
not worthy of the steak? Or the many who said I am inadequate for
black women so that's why I date white? 

Come on, let's have some consistency here.  


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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:56:00 GMT

Okay, I'll bite.

Malcolm X was probably the most eloquent voice for rage I've ever
encountered (ain't seen the movie, hate movies).  Whether or not you
like it, the guy gave vent to a lot of anger and frustration that a lot
of people in this country were and are feeling, and he MUST be listened
to for that.

This is crucial.  WE MUST LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.  Should I say it again?
WE MUST LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.  When we don't, when we blow off the
other person's point of view and stop up our ears when they talk, they
will ultimately resort to bashing our heads in just to get their message
into our brains.  This is happening all over the world as we speak.

I remember thinking about that "Cop Killer" thing.  The first thing I
thought when I heard it was, "Why didn't they just ask him why he wrote
it?"  What, would their (our?) arms have fallen off if we asked?

Malcolm X MADE people listen, even if he scared the shit out of them.  
And, let's face it.  He changed, as human beings do.  They change their
opinions based on their experiences.  This is a fundamental part of the
definition of human: one who is acutely adaptable.  

Ah, well.  Just a dago's blathering . . . 

Regards,
Janis C.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:28:25 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1993Jan6.022217.19346@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>(as some nuts like to call it - as if the USSR's 40 million dead and
>still counting, makes them a better place)....

Mr. Chaney, you, in your great conservative wisdom, may feel that 
nothing the late USSR ever did is worthy of merit, but I suggest 
you carefully read the history of World War II.

The United States sent guns, tanks, ammo, and supplies to the USSR
to fight the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The USSR sent the bodies to
fight and die there, on the battlefields and in the cities. When
the Nazis besieged Leningrad for 900 days (yes, 900 days), 300,000
people starved to death but the city never fell. 

They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
get prepared to invade at Normandie. Long before you were born, Mr. Chaney,
they were our Allies in a holy war of survival. Admittedly, it was
an uncomfortable and mutually suspicious alliance, and the
instant the war was over, the marriage-of-convenience quickly
soured. But there is no way in hell either of us would have won that war alone.

Both countries owe each other, big time. It's nice that we can be
friends again, even if it took most of my lifetime for it finally
happen.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13656 soc.culture.asian.american:11424
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:44:11 GMT

>In article <1993Jan8.205613.568@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>> . . . .
>>my attitude is that after as much racist stuff [against black people] that you
>>see from japanese/nisei individuals and/or from japan (including government
>>officials) i am *totally* unsympathetic when i hear cries of racism against
>>japanese people by white people.  my tendency is to think:  "yeah, they're ones
>>to talk..."

Hey, waitaminit!  What the hell good can it do to blame people for the
racism perpetrated by others?  Even native Japanese in their own country
can regret how their other fellow citizens treat other races and be
sympathetic to you.  If someone's car has been spray-painted, or they've
been blamed for Pearl Harbor, or their church has been firebombed, I see
no humane acceptable reason why I should not offer them sympathies and
time to help if I can spare it.  The pain felt by an Israeli woman whose
kid was killed in a deliberate bus explosion is the same keeing agony
felt by a Palestinian woman whose kid was killed by the cops.  In BOTH
instances, parents are seeing their kids put in the ground before they
are.  A Japanese citizen who is blamed for all the transgressions of
their race isn't going to look favorably on the NAACP donation envelope
they get in the mail, so it goes on and on, neverending until everyone
is just dead.  

If we get caught up with "Yeah, well YOU did so and so!" we just aren't
going to move forward.  Sooner or later, we're going to have to say,
"Okay, enough of this garbage.  I'm sick and fucking tired of carrying
on the hate of people centuries dead.  Let's knock it off and start
rtreating one another like unique individuals all worthy of sympathy and
respect."

Thinking, "You're ones to talk . . ." is understandable and very common,
but highly dangerous.  Watch out for it.

Regards,
Janis C.
 

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:26:30 GMT

In article <1ifuoqINNnsu@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>They'll shilling Pacino's role in that rather depressing sounding flick,
>"Scent of a Woman."

>Oh, well. Chantilly...Lady Stetson...Rose...Jasmine...Sand and
>Sable...

How could you forget Cooc....oh, never mind!

	-Kenny

-- 
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OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Prejudice by Asians and others (Was: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:06:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan8.140439.12779@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  Meanwhile the East Asians also have their homegrown prejudices between
>  the different countries.  So it is only an extension of prejudice to
>  add on prejudice against Blacks and Hispanics.  If people weren't already
>  prejudiced, they'd probably not pick up new ones.  I know that I don't
>  pick up any new prejudices.  For example, if the Bengali guy tells me
>  that he doesn't like Sikhs, it doesn't influence me in any way whatsoever.
>  To me they are all just another person.  I could care less what caste
>  they're from.  If they tell me they're Brahmin it doesn't make me think
>  any higher or lower of them.

On the other hand, an existing prejudice may sometimes serve as inoculation
against certain new prejudices.  I expect that a typical white-bread American,
hearing an explanation of why Sikhs are better than Hindus or vice-versa,
is likely to respond, "Hey, you brown people all look alike to me" (although
not out loud).

I get the impression that East Asians (and perhaps others) who immigrate to
the USA from various countries get along better here than they did back in
Asia.  This may be a response to the inability of many folks here to
distinguish between various East Asian nationalities ("Are you Japanese?  I
just love egg rolls.").


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13802 talk.politics.misc:67303 soc.women:22562
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:44:11 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan6.173713.15384@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
writes:
>
>Have you met H. Ross Perot? He's full of conspiracy theories too. Y'all'd hit
>it off great.
>
>	-Kenny
>
>ps.- Marge's hair is blue (as in "the Blues") to recognize the struggle of
>women everywhere having a "bad hair day". Pass it on.

So I guess you can take everything in this world of face value. I guess you can
also say racism doesn't exists. I guess you can also say you're a fool.

>	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
>
By your tagline, I realize you have no faith in anything, that's why you see
nothing!!

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:53:32 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1isc4pINN17p@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <106603@bu.edu>,
>shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>>In article <1596@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>
>>>This is not true. I supported and appreciated the US effort in Somalia. I
>>>appreciate the opportunity to study in the US. What I opposed was the tende
>>>ncy by some to cast the US as a do-no-wrong angelic country, and the USSR
>>>as a do-no-right den of the devil.
>>
>>>At least as a far as the last big war
>>>was concerned. I happen to be aware, contrary to the insistence of these
>>>people, that Russia liberated a big portion of Africa. The US worked hard
>>>to subvert this effort and to prop racism in that Region.
>>
>>USSR (not Russia, btw) LIBERATED a big portion of Africa?
>>Oh, well...
>>--
>.
>.
>Sorry to pop your balloon, Sergey, but to this cat, the USSR did
>liberate portions of Africa. To some Africans, the United States
>have done nothing but prop up puppets to do their dirties, in other
>words, maintain the status quo while ripping off their countries
>blind.
>.
>My country has a bad record, with accompanying bad karma about to
>strike...

True, but the US is so GOOD at it!  Look at South Korea and Vietnam,
Argentina, Chile, Cuba, Nicaragua, and El Salvador.  The US is a nice
place, but it sure ain't perfect.  And, get a load -- none of the
countries where we've propped up corrupt governments has been white!!!
Gosh whillikers, I wonder why . . . 

No, I'm not saying that the US is some seething hotbed of racial hatred;
we're better off than some.  But, come ON.  We've got enough dirty
laundry when it comes to stuff like this to carpet the Moon.  Just
because we're better off than some doesn't mean there's no room for
improvement.  Lots. 
 
Regards,
Janis C.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:36:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>  
xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
> hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
> whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
> I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
> occur with as much frequency as the opposite.

     There is always fuss, but in these situations, it is people from the  
same group, but of the opposite sex, who do most of the overt fussing,  
e.g. in a white guy/black woman relationship, the white guy is most likely  
going to get shit from white women, and the black woman from black men. In  
the end, it boils down to who is directly feeling the competition.

     As to why there are more BM/WF couples than WM/BF couples, there are  
several issues involved. For a black woman, the primary issue is one of  
trust, IMO. Given the sordid history of relations between Africans and  
Europeans in America, I think that it's hard for a black woman to be sure  
that the relationship with the white man is real, i.e. that the white man  
likes her for her brains, personality, and looks, rather than being "just  
curious". For a white man, the primary issue is one of fear, IMO. Fear of  
being seen as "not really white anymore" (with all that that means in  
American society), to some extent by other whites generally, but  
*especially* by his parents. I have often been struck by how dependent so  
many white men are on their parents, both financially and emotionally, and  
also how eager they are to please their parents. The fear of losing their  
parents' love and support should he introduce them to his black girlfriend  
acts as a powerful intimidating force. These particular dynamics do not  
play as big a role in BM/WF couples, and so there are more of them (the  
fact that the average white woman has a stiffer spine than the average  
white man (at least in my experience) also helps).
     
> Forgive my ignorance if it annoys anyone. But in the short time I've
> been here I've realized when it comes to race, Americans could also
> be as ignorant as the sheep I once tended.

     Well said, I'm afraid.
      
> Kariuki Mukunya
> 
> 
> 

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:55:27 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.020958.28883@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>why Caucasian and not whit?
>
>What race of people is whit?

Unfortunately for you, you can't tell sarcasm when it slams you in the face.
You write Bla(c)k and drop the c and I write whit(e) and drop the e.
Explained???

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re:
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:06:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan7.181930.7922@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes and writes to
prove his point only to himself:
>
>Unfortunately, Malcolm's abiding love for black people existed,
>un-Bodhisattvalike, alongside a pathological hatred for whites.  We
>know that some of the white folks that he encountered during his early
>years treated him like dirt, others showed kindness and respect. We
>also know that they didn't burn down his house or murder his
>father. Yet, in prison, he converted to a bizarre religion that
>branded all whites as evil mutant freaks. When he became a national
>figure, he was exposed to the whole cross-section of this nation's
>people, black and white, good and bad. He was constantly upbraided for
>preaching that whites were responsible for every calamity that ever
>befell this planet: from the extinction of the dinosaurs to Philip
>Stromer. But, time and again, he returned to Elijah Muhammad's
>hateful teachings, even though any reasonably-intelligent ten year-old
>could have explained to him that wickedness is not confined to any one
>race. This went on for YEARS. After his death, his bitter legacy
>lingers on: witness the recent FBI statistics that show black-on-white
>hate crimes as being much more prevalent than the white-on-black
>variety.  And there are still those who, like Malcolm X, mindlessly
>denounce ALL of European civilization, thus denying themselves
>its many blessings and, tragically, ensuring for themselves a
>permanent place on the remotest margins of power and responsibility in
>our society.
>
.
.
Sorry, Stefan.  I don't agree.
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:05:06 GMT

In article <C0HxE5.JFJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.125955.26578@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>>In article <C0GCpD.1pE@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>
>[......]
>>>One thing I shall say for you.  Your political career shall be very big
>>>and bright.  You shall be presented as the example for all to follow and
>>>you shall reach great heights.  You have found the easiest and quickest
>>>route to the power you sought your whole life, betrayal.
>>>
>>>Enjoy your climb, Judas
>>>
>>>Kiggundu.
>>
>>       Beautiful post, absolutely wonderful.
>
>A wondeful posting, yes....but I am afraid Kiggundu might be waisting his
>efforts on a bullshitter who may not even be blak. Remember Phillip Stromer
>bursted in claiming his wife was blak..???

Well that is Phillip Stromer. That's not me. 


>Coincidentally, I saw the following sig on s.c.a.: 
>
>Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig!
>
>How very true in this case.....

Seems so. Teaching you that you are not in authority to judge blacks
for who they date, is a self-defeating task.


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