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From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>>>  What is essence of SUCCESS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:08:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>>
>>This may sound corny/canned but it is important for newly hired people to 
>johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP writes...
>I have also read, in a couple books on resumes that canned questions
>deserve canned answers.  The net effect is that they're the interview
>process's version of 'Hal Guerney's Network Time Wasters'.
>

Look at this way... If the person can give a canned answer, he/she knows 
what is expected of them on the job.  Many conflicts that occur are a 
mismatch of expectations.  Remember the pygmalion theory.... People live
up to their expectations. (The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain ;). 

Again, I have worked with many bright people; however, problems occur 
when they are not doing what is expected to be done.  Many engineers think
that knowing archaic facts is important but the important thing is taking 
this knowledge and helping the team build a better product. 

Thank you. 

					Steve Simmons
From: bclaus@cs.wright.edu (Brian Clausing)
Subject: Re: >>>>>  What is essence of SUCCESS
Organization: Wright State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:11:34 GMT

From article <ssimmons.726239307@convex.convex.com>, by ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons):
> 
>>>
>>>This may sound corny/canned but it is important for newly hired people to 
>>johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP writes...
>>I have also read, in a couple books on resumes that canned questions
>>deserve canned answers.  The net effect is that they're the interview
>>process's version of 'Hal Guerney's Network Time Wasters'.
>>
> 
> Look at this way... If the person can give a canned answer, he/she knows 
> what is expected of them on the job.  Many conflicts that occur are a 
> mismatch of expectations.  Remember the pygmalion theory.... People live
> up to their expectations. (The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain ;). 
	[....]

The statement "If the person can give a canned answer [in an
interview], he/she knows what is expected ... on the job." does not
follow.  One who performs well at an interview is not necessarily good
at the job!  For programming jobs, I believe that there is little
correlation between social grace and technical competence (although I
also believe that programmers should have some of both).  There are
only three ways to determine rationally whether a prospect is suited
for a job:  direct demonstration (usually impractical), evidence of
ability, and testimony of ability.  What does a rote answer to a
routine question have to do with expectations?  The simplest course
would seem to be to state as directly as possible what is expected of
an employee and also what may be expected of the company.

A point that does not get much attention is that interviewing is a two-
way process -- an exchange of information.  The interviewers want to
know about the ability of the prospect, and the prospect has to gather
information about the company to determine whether he can function
usefully.  Silly questions such as ``What is the essence of success?"
posed on the grounds that a reaction is desired suggest that the
questioner believes that he has a guinea pig at hand and is indulging
his whimsy.  It does not speak well for the company.  What the prospect
can infer is that he is dealing with a fool who does not or cannot take
his duties seriously.

The ability to present oneself favorably is certainly a great advantage
in interviewing and suggests the useful ability to present and explain
other matters, too.  But simple superficial facility at interviewing
ought to be a talent not much sought by sensible employers.

Brian Clausing
From: carole@rembrandt.Sun.COM (Carole Parker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics Question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:20:29 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: rembrandt

In article <9301020809.AA11708@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu> baker-j@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (john t baker) writes:
>
>I would like some opinions on the following:
>
>The company I work for offers a $150bonus for proffering candidates that they
>actually hire and stay with the company for 90 days.  I would assume that they
>think that anyone I refer in this way I personally know their ability level.
>My company does not have net access.  What if I post positns open to 
>misc.jobs.offered and forward the replies I receive as referrals?  I can see
>myself heartily increasing my salary in this way.
>
>Please tell me your opinions by posting or sending email.

Watch out on this one!  It can easily backfire on you.  Companies are
assuming that you'll pre-screen applicants for them because they're people
you know.  However, if you give them unread resumes, they won't appreciate
it in all likelyhood.

Ask your personnel/human resources recruiters if they want you to do this.
They may not want to do it for any number of reasons.  Also, if you make
too much work for them, they may disregard your applicants.

This is *not* a way to "get rich quick."  It is a way for you to do a favor
for someone you know directly; someone you think is qualified for the
position.


I found myself. See? I'm right here! Until later--

Carole Parker
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: darcher@IASTATE.EDU (David W Archer)
Subject: Re: Ads for working at home
Reply-To: darcher@IASTATE.EDU (David W Archer)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:01:31 GMT

In article <93012.155524F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>, <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>    I called one of the ads in the our paper today which said you could
> make between $300-$500 week by doing assembly work in your home.  This
> company said they would send me a catalog which would cost me $49.95,
> with over 230 different companies which offered work at home jobs.  They
> said I would get my money back on the catalog if I was not satisfied with
> it.

I replied to a similar ad a couple of years ago.  For $30 I got a
booklet giving addresses of companies that sometimes offer work at
home.  They also said that I would get my money back if I was not
satisfied, however I had to use the book for 90 days before I could
get a refund.  I was not too surprised when I found no jobs through the
book, and by the time 90 days had elapsed, the 'company' no longer
existed.

In this case it was a definite scam.


Dave
From: cls@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 06 Jan 93 13:21 CST
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - ques
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I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area here in Texas and what I find funny
is that I get frequent visitations at home from the Mormons.  I find it
funny because they would be the last group I would expect to keep coming
'round since the majority of folks around here are Southern Baptists, 
Church of Christ, etc.  I would also expect Jehovah's Witnesses, but Mormons?

Actually, the Mormons only come around a couple times a year. The "frequent
visitations" that irk me are the ones on the television.  When I'm clicking my
remote control and the Christian channels go by...well I'm used to it now
but if you're from up north you'll find it funny.  They constantly display
a phone number that you can call to donate money to them, and the hair styles
and makeup on the people... well it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.


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Fort Worth, TX

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Reasonable Expectations (Re: Advice ...)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:58:10 GMT

In article <1i9l4tINNcv5@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu
(Joel Plutchak) writes:

>In article <1993Jan3.083222.2753@news2.cis.umn.edu> oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>>>   But apparently not enough to inquire about the salary range for the
>>>position when they call to set up an interview.
>>
>>For each position that opens in a company, there can be hundreds of
>>applicants.  That amounts to a lot of time and a fair amount of money spent
>>by a lot of people finding openings, researching companies, writing cover
>>letters and resumes, checking references, etc.  The least a company can do
>>for an applicant they are interested in, the few who made the five or ten
>>in 200 cut, is be honest and up-front with them.  It's a minimal effort for
>>the company and a reasonable expectation for the applicant.
>
>   Yes.  It's also unreasonable for the applicant to get upset about
>wasting time interviewing when he/she didn't get some idea of the
>salary beforehand.  The responsibility for honesty and openness rests
>with both parties.

I've never been upset after a wasted interview (if there really is such a
thing), but then I've never been much concerned about the salary I'll be
earning, only how much I'll enjoy doing the job.  Some companies, like
the one the original poster was talking about, will use this unfairly.  Only
after being called in to interview does the applicant find out that they're
offered $20,000 less than what a person of their qualifications expects.
The company is hoping to get an extremely qualified employee for an
extremely low price by capitalizing on the candidates unemployment (which
is usually the case in this kind of situation).

By not asking right away, you're being honest that salary isn't your main
concern (thus, no right to bitch).  By not telling you right away, the
company is expected to be offering "an honest day's pay for an honest day's
work."  This is sometimes not the case, so people, rightly, complain.


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From: mayojr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (John R. Mayo)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 10 Jan 1993 03:49:04 GMT
Organization: Unemployed Graduates, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sarah.cs.rose-hulman.edu

I lived in Oklahoma (which I really don't consider the south, but some
people (like my dad) do. The religious groups therre are usually not
that bad, except for one particular sect that does a large amount of
door-to-door "sales". These people don't know when to quit, and I
remember being preached to while I was in grade school. I was home
sick, and these two bozos came to the door and told me I was going to
hell, and asked me if I wanted to find out how to go to heaven. Other
than that small problem, if you get past the built-in ignorance (of
the small town folk), the south is a great place to live, and the
people are very friendly, whether or not you are religious. 

Personnally, the religious nuts I went to high school with, coupled
witht the general lack of appreciation of anyone able to do more than
operate heavy machinery, had some affect on my choice of abode now. I
live in Minnesota.




-- 
John Mayo
mayojr@cs.rose-hulman.edu
"They're not dead, they're just metaphysically challenged." -MST3000
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Could the original poster identify him/herself?  I got in on this late,
and would like to send some comments.
From: cliff@pencom.com (Clifford Kahan)
Subject: POSITIONS IN NORTH-CENTRAL NEW JERSEY
Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 19:24:15 GMT

Major Financial services firm is looking to build a team of qualified engineers
with the following skills to develop multiple products.

SOFTWARE ENGINEERS:

      **Strong skills in developing graphical user interfaces using the 
	MOTIF toolkit.
      **Strong C coding skills
      **Experience working on a product thru its entire life cycle

PROJECT MANAGERS:

      **This individual must possess experience developing UNIX products and
	have strong UNIX internals and communications background from 
	an architectural as well as hands on standpoint and have the ability
 	to manage people and multiple projects at one time.

Sorry, these are not entry level positions

Pencom Systems Incorporated is an 19 year old software services company
that is leading the charge into open systems and systems integration
with offices is Austin, Boston, New York, Virginia and San Jose.

For immediate consideration on these and other opportunities
Email or FAX your resume to:

	Cliff Kahan
	Pencom Systems Inc.
	150 Broadway  Suite 600
	New York, NY 10038

	FAX: 212-227-1854
	PHONE: 212-513-7777
	Email: uunet!pencom!cliff
               cliff@pencom.com

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: chaudoir@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bernard Chaudoir)
Subject: test
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:20:36 GMT


Please allow this test, sorry for the inconvinence ;).
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:31:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Radhu,

I suggest you try contacting the HQ of Alcas Corp. or Vector and
see what you can do. If they give you a hard time, you can 
threaten to give them bad publicity. You can also contact another
person working for Vector and ask them to ask their supervisor.
Otherwise, you have a good set of knives for the price that their
equivalents probably cost in the store.

Apart Radhu's predicament, I suggest that all those have had 
trouble with Vector know someone personally who has to write
to some watch groups (if there are any), television shows,
or publications. Vector has so far been able to avoid such
exposure because they purposefully try to remain obscure.
Hopefully, we might put a dent in Vector's profit margin 
and prevent others from getting swindled.

Virtually,

Edmund J. Ryan
From: skumar@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (swaminathan.ravikumar)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Head hunters for jobs in canada
Keywords: cananda, head hunters
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:48:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Are there any professional placement firms (head hunters) specializing in
job openings in Canada. I would appreciate any information.

Thanks.

-- ravi
skumar@hocus.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: akr@philabs.philips.com (Arvind K. Ramadorai)
Subject: For Hire.
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: ny
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:12:10 GMT

I am posting this for a friend.

Available with the following background:
Familiar with three languages: Japanese, English and Mandarin Chinese.

Master's degree in East Asian studies.
Are there any openings for such a person?
Thanks.

Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:8616 rec.travel:17560 soc.culture.arabic:6460
From: mk69+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Knapp)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,rec.travel,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Work in Kuwait - info' wanted
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:09:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fIL6__00iV241035q
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

well, according to the news this morning, it wouldn't be advisable to be
either in a small town near the border with iraq, nor a warehouse guard.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: transform a resume
Keywords: anti-sabbatical subsistence lifestyles
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:09:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.003925.10368@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
>The kind of jobs you mentioned probably pay around $50,000 a year.
>Lets say all that money goes to your head and you spend $10,000 a year
>instead of your usual 6.  Still in 2.5 years you can save 100,000.
>Invest this wisely and you can earn 6,000 a year in interest
>indefinitely.  Will you sleep better knowing that SOME OTHER BOZO
>wrote the code to distinguish geese and MIRVs?

Take $18K a year off the top for SS, federal, and state taxes.  It will take four years to reach
$100K.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 06:51:28 PST

tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes in

>How real is the claim that someone can "make a living at it"?(AMWAY)

I was in it last year.  I'm now out.  You can make a living at it, but it takes
a looooooooooooooong time to build it up.  Essentially, the way my org worked
was to buy wholesale for myself, and introduct friends to products to buy their
own wholesale products.  We were given monthly rebates on the purchases we made
and my friend's purchases were credited through me.  The rebates are not a
whole lot, but if you build a large network, it will make you rich.  It really
was not for me.  Costco's prices were much better than AMWAY, and I valued my
friends more than losing them by trying to hook them into AMWAY.

>What, if any, is their philosphosical/religion alignment?

My upline claimed that the founders were Christian.  I'm a Christian, my upline
is Christian.  I guess that all depends on who you sign up with.  They are all
of the ilk, "Visualize what your goals are and you will eventually reach them."

>How are the products rated in use?

My wife and I really liked the SA8 (laundry detergent).  If you get in to
purchase AMWAY's soap products wholesale price, you prbably won't be too
disappointed.  If you get in with the vision of being able to quit your day
job in one or 2 years, you could be disillusioned.

>Is it true that they just bailed out one of the US' major automobile
>manufacturers?

I never heard that, but I do know they offer GM cars for sale.

>I'd be interested in hearing the net-concensus about this company
>especially if you're IN with them, but also if you're now OUT.

OOPS!, I compared the prices to Costco, then I noticed you're from Great
Britian.  Costco is a large wholesale warehouse in the U.S. that is open
to the public.  You purchase everything in bulk and can save money if you
have the storage.  Anyway, get the person who wants you to sign up to sell
you some product at his/her cost.  If you like the product, sign up, and if
not, AMWAY has a 100% satisfaction money back guarantee. Like I said,
don't expect to get rich over night.

A netter from Australia told me the same thing before I got in.  I thought
I could beat the odds. I couldn't.

Chris Colvin
N6GDL
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: alexvk@leland.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Kozlov)
Subject: TEST
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:29:32 GMT

test
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson)
Subject: Re: working conditions
Originator: djohnson@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: U. Mass. at Lowell
Distribution: misc
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:58:26 GMT


I think working conditions are very important, at least to me.  I think a specific job or job area should be on the resume, and the working conditions should be discussed at the interview.  I always ask about them and try to get an idea of what kind of place I am applying at even before the interview.  If the interviewer doesn't mention anything about the conditions I ask questions to get an idea of what he/she thinks they are like.
-- 
Daniel T. Johnson

-------------------------------------------------
Problems make life interesting and fun
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Subject: Re: back to work
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:59:59 GMT

In article <ARA.93Jan1021335@camelot.ai.mit.edu>, ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
> 
> 
> I think I have gotten as much useful information as I am going to get out of 
> the discussion of "$6000/yr for one month's work" and related topics. So I
> am going to leave this group and get back to work on a book I am writing.
> The book has been accepted by Springer-Verlag and will appear in their Lecture
> Notes in Mathematics series.
> 

Lots of self promotion deleted...
 
> Allan Adler
> ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu

That's nice.  Go back to your book, and keep patting yourself
on the back.  When you are able to relate to the real world, give
us a post.  BTW, you are not the only one in the world doing volunteer
work - but if you are doing it to toot your own horn, then I guess
it isn't really volunteer work, is it?

Matt Weiser
weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: lou@rodan.UU.NET (Louise Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Open positions (UNIX)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:40:29 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net



		UNIX professionals - all levels


UUNET Technologies, Inc., an international networking corporation
providing domestic and international communications and
information services, is in a growth mode and is currently
looking to receive resumes from candidates for the following full
and part-time positions:

	Operators
	Jr. Engineers
	Engineers
	System Administrators
	Postmasters

Experience of various levels in the following areas is
necessary:

	* UNIX experience.  Knowledge of vi, ping, traceroute, 
	   telnet,  flp,dump/restore, shell scripts, etc.

	* Networking experience.  Asynchronous and synchronous
	   communications background, network troubleshooting, 
	   LAN and/or WAN background.  Cisco, Netblazer, and 
	   ethernet LAN experience a plus. 

Being a service oriented company, the qualified applicants should
have the ability to work under pressure on multiple projects with
interruptions.  Excellent verbal and written skills along with
the ability to work with minimal supervision are also required.

UUNET offers competitive salaries, excellent benefits, and growth
opportunities in a non-smoking environment.

Please send your resume with salary history to:

	UUNET Technologies, Inc.
	Attn:  Ms. Lou Roberts
	3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 570
	Falls Church, VA 22042
	fax: 703-204-8001
	lou@uunet.uu.net

		E.O.E.