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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:07:54 GMT

In article <8tdna2n.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <11953@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>>I'm sure it won't take long for the Canadians to lose interest in
>>their national health insurance plan, once they get the pick up
>>the costs of AIDS in a big way.
>
>The position of the French government, I have heard, is that AIDS is not 
>a significant enough additional cost to bother worrying about.  Perhaps a
>reader from France or Canada can tell us what the costs have turned out 
>to be there.  

1. For those of you who aren't following the public health insurance
thread, Canada and France have similiar PHI systems (not socialized
medicine, because there is private doctors and private hospitals, and
choice among them -- it's just the insurance).  The summer 1992 issue
of FRANCE magazine (available from most college French departments or
the Alliance Francaise) describes their hybrid public/private system
(and I can recognize it, 'cos I'm Canadian).

2. We are paying for AIDS up north, and private efforts have been
under way to build AIDS hospices (that would bill the provincial
public basic health insurance plan -- I don't know if any private
supplementary insurance has additional AIDS coverage, since only their
travel plans offer any basic medical (domestically, it's non-medical
benefits like private rooms, phone, television, etc.).  That hasn't
stopped GM from closing their Van Nuys, California plant yesterday and
moving its production to Bromont, Quebec (was that right on CNN, that
they make Camaros?) -- CNN said part of the reason was GM's escalating
health care costs; during the week, GM had announced changes in their
health coverage for their workers where they're offering less due to
costs and the employees have to pick up more or suffer pseudo-socialized
medicine through HMO's.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Smut" correction
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:01:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug23.180305.24746@amhux2.amherst.edu>

Tim Pierce pleads:
(Now stop me before I begin to chant THE VATICAN RAG.)
>
But *WHY*?   ;-{)##]
 
() Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted
() and published every day, like those of a baseball player.
()      -- Anonymous
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Publicity
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:11:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.071111.7760
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>Sometimes bad publicity is worse than no publicity at all.

It's looking like the whole Republican National Convention gay bashing
has come down *firmly* in our favour.

For one thing, we are finally not being ignored in an election.
Lesbigay rights is an actual issue this year. Clinton said it in his
speech, and the media reported it. Pat Buchanan claimed he was about
to wage a "holy war", and the media reported it. Various Republicans
babbled about "family values", and the media explained to the American
masses that this meant "against gays and lesbians".

And the best part? Indications are that the anti-queer and anti-choice
stances of the Republicans has cost them votes. Aren't they backing
off of that now and complaigning about congress instead? We're
winning!

The campaign guy who made Pat Buchanan's queer bashing ad in the
primary admitted that the ad probably cost them more votes than it
got them.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 Shame is playback: exposure to disapproval
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Life of Reilly
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:03:35 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Sep04.043626.15964@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>Let's see: if Ry Schwark married George Reilly, would he be
>Ry Reilly?

Perhaps.  But I suspect that if he married Ying-Da Lee first, he would
*not* be Ry Lee Reilly, right?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Date: 1 Sep 1992 13:20:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <71892@apple.Apple.COM> 
mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) shraybt:

> phleklempt

Oikh ken Matthew nit keyn yidish.

Oy.

Arne
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "do I look like a mother-fucking role model?"
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:37:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug29.203719.6684
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

gee, thanks for telling me my experience here is entirely wrong.

The college I go to (Reed) is extremely queer-friendly. Reed has a
long history of having unusual students - mostly people who are a bit
eccentric in one fashion or another. And folks here are tolerant of
these eccentrities - in fact, they encourage them.

I never get harassed for being queer. No one ever sneers at me for
being gay, or says nasty things to me, or even looks twice when I kiss
another man in public. I can be myself here without fear of
reprocussion.

But that doesn't change what I said:

  the subtle heterosexism at Reed, the difficulty in raising queer
  issues in class, the realization that as queer friendly as Reed is,
  you really are in a small minority.

First, I want to make sure it is clear that these are minor
complaints. Reed's a great place to be queer.

But it's not perfect. Most Reed students are heterosexual (identified:
it is fairly common for folks here to "experiment".) Most Reed
students were raised in a heterosexual environment. Most Reed students
are somewhat heterosexist.

Fortunately, part of the open-mindedness here is a willingness to
learn about other people. I've found that most people are interested
to find out about my experience as a gay man. One can't ask for much
more.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                  Where do you conceal the gun in a bikini?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:18:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.145014.3250@unlinfo.unl.edu>, cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>Similar thing happens to me here.  I am seeing a 39 yr-old guy (17 yrs older
>>than I).  I think I find him attractive because he is *perhaps* more
>>mature, more sophisticated, and more polite/gentle.  Maybe not every
>>older guys are like that, but the 30s appearance usually brings "maturity"
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>to my mind.
>
>*This* is older?  Why, it's not even middle age.
>QED
>
>Colburn Eigen                          H|u> = E|u>
> 

Well..... he's still 17 yrs older than I.  In which means, he's already
graduating from high school when I was born.  (:

But that O.K.  Age means no difference to me.  My philosophy is always that
"You are only old if you think old."
Hmmm.....I guess that means I am eternal, ay?  (-8

Ken N.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:15:03 GMT

In article <vanyel.715034438@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>Try reading *all* my posts.  

And don't forget the anti-emetic!
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks on "Freedom of Choice"
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:05:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep3.160544.527
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


	Correct me if I'm wrong (I have a feeling I don't have to
worry about not being corrected, not with this bunch), but doesn't
Garth Brooks have a lesbian sister?  I'm not at all sure where I heard
this, but I remember picking it up somewhere.
	As for Brooks' comments, I was pleasantly surprised. I guess
that'll teach me not to stereotype people in, or into, country music.
-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:58:31 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1992Aug24.191923.6957@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>I guess when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail . . .

Please, please, no confessions, Sargon.

bzzz bzzz bzzz

You're a sick man.  Get help.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:07:02 GMT

wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>If gay people had electoral votes, AIDS would have received the proper
>attention it should have many, many years ago.

If gay people weren't so f*****g apathetic, we'd *have* the electoral
votes.  Just try to get people involved...they'd rather fight each other
than the enemy.

Sorry --- seem to have found a hot button.  I suppose it's not just
gay people, but being involved in politics is somewhat frustrating...
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Vote NO on Discrimination
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      Vote NO on 9!
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From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "do I look like a m-f role model?"
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:47:05 GMT


    bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:

        >In article <1992Aug28.075730.29574@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
        >Minar) writes:

            >>Sitting on this panel was *hard*....

        >Oh bull, Nelson.  I know Reed hasn't changed that much in the past
        >couple of years and I'm sure it hasn't gotten *less* queer
        >friendly.

Um, any thought that both perspectives might be valid?  (says Joel, not
wanting to sound like he goes in for the everyone-has-a-point-of-view-and-
they're-all-equally-valid-so-let's-all-be-*nice* view).

Of course, maybe I just can't imagine a campus anywhere where being hetero
made you a dweeb (unless it's Oberlin :- )).  Northwestern wasn't like that:
GALA (the Gay and Lesbian Alliance) drew maybe a couple dozen people to a
major event like a dance, out of a campus of 6,500.  Sussex University wasn't
like that: LGBS (Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual Society) had a core group of half a
dozen, on a campus of 4,500.  Manchester isn't like that....  It's not like
the lesbigayfolk were highly visible elsewhere, either.  Even what I saw
around the NU drama school (generally pretty let-it-hang-out folk) was pretty
discreet.

>MOTSS relationships were socially indistinguishable from MOTOS
>relationships.  To the extent that anyone danced with anyone,
>people danced with whomever they care to regardless of gender.

Yes, I really *can't* imagine.

Joel,
      wishing he'd had someone to dance with for the NU dance marathon
      when GALA didn't have anyone to enter....
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:19:48 GMT
Organization: Trivializers R Us

In article <joelp.715031059@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:

>I remember a wonderful article by someone named something like Wang Fuc Du, on
>the conjugation of the construction ``to fuck''.  It's a serious linguistic
>analysis of ``fuck'' that is at the same time absolutely hilarious.  I found
>it in some linguist's (guy named Macaulay? maybe) ``Festschrift'', lent me by
>my linguistics professor.  Arnold could probably help with the reference.
>
>Du argues that ``fuck'' as in ``fuck you'' is not a verb at all, but some new
>sort of construction:  one can say ``fuck you'' but not ``fuck you slowly'';
>and ``fuck me'' has an entirely different meaning.

Not to intrude with a nit, but not that long ago I seem to have
heard the sentence "Fuck me slowly with a chainsaw." This would
invalidate Du's argument, since it both uses "fuck me" in the 
same sense as "fuck you" (imo) and includes the adjective "slowly."

I hope this doesn't spoil anyone's day.

paul

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) 
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:00:33 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin):
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson):
>> [Sarver] must be one o' those Reagan Republicans: running
>> full-speed into the past, too dumb to know you're stuck in
>> reverse.
> 
> of course sarver's republican, who else could believe in
> the divinity of being white, male, and butch...

...and keep a straight face...
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: eating at Furr's
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:47:47 GMT


George Dalton Madison (Furr@cup.portal.com) wrote
something about food; it doesn't really matter
what since I wasn't going to go into that:

On my way back from Boulder last week, I passed
briefly through Kansas City [Kansas, but there's 
no reason to go into *that* again], and was reminded
that one of the more popular places to take the family 
for dinner is Furr's Cafeteria.

The rest I leave to the imagination of the interested
reader [just in case there are any rocket scientists
reading].

I mention only in passing how delighted I was to find
[on 2 out of 3 flights] that beards among the [yes,
male] flight attendants [who were there mainly for my
safety, but deigned to serve complimentary beverages]
are apparently in fashion.  One, I might add, was a
certifiable bear of mature stature.

Alas, beards are apparently out of fashion in the
Shaumeyer clan, 75 of whom were at the family
picnic.  [Can you *believe* 75!]

If pressed, I *might* consider sharing my reflections
on the Photon Correlation Spectroscopy meeting.  [It
confirmed my feeling that scientific meetings simply
are *not* cruisy things.]

--jns
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 1 Sep 1992 15:50:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <vanyel.715386757@camelot> 
vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

> Credibility, like anything else on the planet, is subjective.  I've
> discussed this situation with a lot of people, including some who read the
> net.  It's amazing how many of them agree with me on this....

You know, I'd say the "fact" that you discussed this situation 
with a lot of people and that they agreed with you is more 
than amazing -- I think it's incredible.  But that's just my
subjective impression.

Arne
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Archiver
Date: 27 Aug 1992 12:11:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug27.182800.1202@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Two new head-shots of Arne Adolphson for the motss.pix archive:
> arne_adolphson2.gif and arne_adolphson3.gif, to be found in the
> usual place.

My forehead has an odd paint-by-numbers quality and my baby
blues don't come across all that well in arne_adolphson2.gif.

> Arne looks pretty butch to me.

I *am* pretty butch, too.  Grrrrrr.  <Flex, flex, flex>

> I can't wait to find out what
> Sargon looks like--somewhere between the Terminator and Tinkerbelle,
> I'd imagine.

I think he's probably a dead ringer for Billie Burke.

Arne
From: ylee@syl.dl.nec.com (Ying-Da Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Come out! come out! (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:01:18 GMT
Organization: NEC Systems Lab., C&C Software Technology Center (Dallas, TX)

dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.040233.28708@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>>In article <4940@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu
>>(Dean Blakeley MD) writes:
>> [...]
>>>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
>>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

>Oh, yes.  It was probably one of the better done pieces.  It
>involved a motos couple in their mid-sixties up in an A-frame
>house in Colorado.  [...]
>It probably had
>more of an effect on me than the others because of an
>internalized age bias that I didn't realize was there.  Hell,
>they were having a lot of fun and didn't mind sharing that.

Must be fairly common (the age bias, I mean).  Imagine me
wondering if people over 40 even THINK about sex.  Of course
that's a long long long time ago.  Now I know better.

And if Jess is not getting it on on a regular basis, it could
only be because he is too busy.

Knock knock.

"Oh, hell!  Who is it?  Don't you have any sense of decency not
to disrupt people posting to soc.motss?"

KNOCK KNOCK!

"All right!  I'm coming!"  Grumble grumble.

The cute young man squeezes through the reluctantly opening door.
He ripped off all his clothes as the door closes and stands there
buck naked with outstretched arms.

"Oh, how nice of you to come.  Now wait just a sec while I finish
this little article.  Just a couple of thousand more lines, I
promise."

The young man sits down.  In comes the Abyssinian through the kitchen
door.  Blood-curding screams erupt as the cat proceeds to tear the
naked young man into bite-size pieces.

"Now if I bring in this thread at this point and mention the other
one three paragraphs later, it should all hang together wonderfully!"

Elation!  Excitement!  Hesitation. Doubts.

"Maybe I need six more paragraphs to clarify this point...  Ahah!
I've really got it this time!"

Elation! Excitement!

The cat washes her face with her customary elegance.  And the keys
go on clicking.  Ewig.  Ewig.

	Ying-Da Lee
From: kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Changing Opinions  (was Ungay Gay, Too straight...)
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:47:08 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

24.191 <ROBERTL.92Aug28004309@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: 

The "UNGAY GAY" and "Too straight looking to be gay" threads have 
troubled me for weeks.  Both sides have points, and both sides are
adamant in their beliefs.  Time to add my own...

Because we are closeted, most people only know about being gay through the
media, and the media usually does portray gay life with yards of chiffon
and leather or back-room/bookstore sex scenes.  An individual cannot affect
this global image, but he or she *CAN* affect the image friends, neighbors,
and coworkers have.  If each of us can change a few people around us, 
eventually those little bits will add up into a much larger, global picture.

We must have the courage to be out and still be ourselves.  I happen to fit
the "too straight looking to be gay" category, and it has been an effective
weapon in changing people's image of gays.  I would not ask my "queenier"
friends to act this way to change opinions; if they lack honesty and self-
confidence in themselves, how will they get others to trust and have
confidence in them?  Our greatest weapon is not how we behave for the world,
it is in being confident in ourselves and convinced that being gay is
natural and acceptable.

You  cannot convince somebody of something you don't believe yourself.  
(...at least not without an expensive advertising campaign!  <grin>)

The greatest challenge any warrior faces is defeating his own self-doubt.
Do this, and you will face any threat with a peaceful mind and committed
spirit.  We fight an oppression of our sexuality and our spirit by being
gay and open, and this is a most worthy battle to join.  We do not need
open-hand skills, swords, or guns to win; we need to face that greatest 
challenge in each of us.
-- 
    John Kominetz, III     __     Commodore Apps & Tech Support
    Aikido, Ki No Kawa     \/     "I speak for myself, not C=."
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Shakers
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:10:02 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug28.161933.26052@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>I'm surprised that no one has reminded Bob Sarver that all those
>nice, considerate, well-behaved Shakers are dead.

Actually, according to a National Geographic of a few years ago,
there is one Shaker community that still accepts new members.
Maybe Bob would like to call and ask how masc. they are.

-- 
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From: hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:55:39 GMT
	<1992Aug26.004819.1437@syacus.acus.oz.au>
	<92240.142823IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Organization: The Turing Institute, Ltd.

(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

   has nobody out here ever plugged a watermelon?

				      -ailsa

No, but a friend of mine used to plug hot dogs all the time. He wasn't
allowed a stove in the dorm, so he'd put a hot dog between two forks
stuck into a switched wall socket, and switch it on to cook the hot
dog!  Always remember to cut off the power before it turns inside-out,
though.

	-Don
Newsgroups: soc.motss