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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Vitale's Basketball Rag
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:38:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw100x.GpE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>I think the problem here is that you've got two different writers telling you
>two different things.  The ACC section was probably not written by the same
>person who put together the All-American teams.  This same thing happened in
>the NCAA preview mag, in which college coaches put Michigan preseason number
>one and Indiana preseason No. 3, but Terry Boers, who wrote the Big Ten preview
>tabbed IU to win the Big Ten this year.

	The Michigan/IU situation is different, however.  Imagine this --
	Indiana wins the Big Ten over Michigan by 1 game.  However, Indiana
	manages to lose all of their out-of-conference games, while Michigan
	wins all of theirs.  Even better, Michigan sweeps Indiana, but 
	manages to lose to some other bozos in the Big 10.  But, it turns
	out that Michigan is ranked higher than Indiana in the polls. 
	The AP poll & the conference rankings have no direct 
	correlation.

	Jazzy J
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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Vitale's Basketball Rag
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:40:51 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>>I think the problem here is that you've got two different writers telling you
>>two different things.  The ACC section was probably not written by the same
>>person who put together the All-American teams.  This same thing happened in
>>the NCAA preview mag, in which college coaches put Michigan preseason number
>>one and Indiana preseason No. 3, but Terry Boers, who wrote the Big Ten preview
>>tabbed IU to win the Big Ten this year.

>	The Michigan/IU situation is different, however.  Imagine this --
>	Indiana wins the Big Ten over Michigan by 1 game.  However, Indiana
>	manages to lose all of their out-of-conference games, while Michigan
>	wins all of theirs.  Even better, Michigan sweeps Indiana, but 
>	manages to lose to some other bozos in the Big 10.  But, it turns
>	out that Michigan is ranked higher than Indiana in the polls. 
>	The AP poll & the conference rankings have no direct 
>	correlation.

Or remember back to '89 when IU won the conference title and was ranked
5th or so, but Illinois was ranked 3rd.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
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From: aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic)
Subject: Re: Ohio State preview (LONG)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:24:08 GMT

The big hole, next to the fact that they lost a great deal of leadership at
crunch-time with JJ, is the power-forward.  Dudley played well when he got in,
but I really don't think he's a starting power-forward.  The reason I say that
is I had the chance to play against him over the summer at one of OSU's rec.
centers and, where he is a big guy and can take it to the hole, his dribbling
skills leave much to be desired.  If I recall he also didn't do much in
Worthington's Summer Leauge...If Wilbourne or the other big guy can step up and
play the post, Funderburke fills the power slot much better.  He can dribble,
drive and he's got a decent jumper...We shall see, I guess.  Lord knows they
couldn't do worse than the football team...

Alan S. Florjancic
Grad. Student--Dept of Chemistry--OSU
From: et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: G'Town schedule
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:47:17 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



	I stall havn't seen one... Anybody care to post one?



						erich
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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Subject: Re: College Sports: Conference Ratings
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:44:54 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
: 
:  To get this year's edition of "My Conference is Best" off to a roaring start,
: I present the previously mentioned College Sports mag's Top 10 Conference power 
: ratings, and predictions: (scale of 0-10)
: 
:  [stuff deleted]
: 6. SEC (8.5; East: 1-Kentucky,2-Tennessee,3-Vanderbilt,4-Florida,5-Georgia,
: 		   6-South Carolina; West: 1-Mississippi St,2-Arkansas,3-LSU,
: 		   4-Alabama,5-Auburn,6-Mississippi) {RC:Is it me, or does the
: 			East look a whole lot better than the west in the SEC?}

  It isn't just you, the East should be much tougher than the West this year.
  Last year it was just the opposite.  All of the East team except S. Carolina
  (who will be horrible) should be NCAA caliber teams.  Tennessee, Vandy, Fla,
  all have 4 or 5 starters back from teams that went to the NIT (including
  all-SEC players Allen Houston for UT and Stacey Poole for UF) and Vandy
  picks up McCaffrey from Duke and Lawson from IU.  Georgia lost Litterial
  Green but they have the SEC's best center, soph 7-footer Charles Claxton,
  along with a top 5 recruiting class.  In the West, last year's powers LSU,
  Alabama, and Arkansas all had heavy losses and only Arkansas had much of a 
  recruiting class.  LSU still has some talented guard and wing players but 
  nothing up front.  Alabama has Hollywood Robinson and not much else.  
  Arkansas has good young talent but little experience.  MSU and 
  Auburn could be the best in the West, though MSU lost 20ppg scorer
  Tony Watts and Auburn has nobody decent over 6'6".  Ole Miss, as usual,
  will be pathetic.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.football.college
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: TOSU vs UC (OSU Fans Plse Read)
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.170019.20800@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.211414.5160@news.ysu.edu> ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore) writes:
>>
>>Also, UC Football would not be ready for the Big Ten, or most any
>>other conference....
>
>Obviously, you haven't been paying a lot of attention to Big 10 football
>this year.....  :^)

Amen, Brian. Northwestern whips Purdue, Minnesota beats Illinois, then the
Illini beat an Ohio State team that smashed Syracuse and lost to Wisconsin,
who just lost by one to Iowa...Even a cheesehead would tell you it's nuts. :)

Paul Miller of the IDS predicts Michigan to go undefeated in the conference
this season, and I don't doubt him. (Of course, I'm his boss, and I'm still
waiting for the bum to get to work today.)

>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State preview (LONG)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:35:30 GMT
	<1992Oct8.042408.4661@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Bell Communications Research

In article <1992Oct8.042408.4661@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic) writes:

> The big hole, next to the fact that they lost a great deal of leadership at
> crunch-time with JJ, is the power-forward.  Dudley played well when he got
> in, but I really don't think he's a starting power-forward.  The reason I
> say that is I had the chance to play against him over the summer at one of
> OSU's rec. centers and, where he is a big guy and can take it to the hole,
> his dribbling skills leave much to be desired.

Well, you're not really looking for your power forward to dribble all that
often.  The power forward spot is much more concerned with rebounding and
tough inside post play than with moving with the ball.


> Lord knows they couldn't do worse than the football team...

While you were probably saying this in jest, I'll disagree.  Barring another
rash of injuries or bout of uninspired play, the football team will be
hanging around the top 20 all year and will probably finish second or third
in the Big Ten.  The basketball team will do well to finish in the upper
division this year.

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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.8OCT199217332682
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes...
{ 
{ 
{	There is currently a thread in rec.sport.football.college which asks 
{the question:  What is the biggest rivalry?  I'd like to address this question
{to college basketball.  
{ 
{	I'm currently at tOSU, so we like to beat the perenially-good Indiana
{and in more recent times Michigan.  I graduated from Villanova which always
{loves to beat Georgetown.  However, I don't think these compare to the ol'
{Duke vs. Unc games, but I understand this rivalry to be rather recent too.
{ 
{	So what is the best rivalry in college basketball?  Consider factors
{such as tradition, quality of teams, and the impact of the game (i.e. does
{it usually determine conference champs).
{ 
{later,
{ 
{BrianE 

The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of 
teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the 
intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.

There are many other good rivalries:
	Kentucky vs. Louisville
	Virginia vs. Virginia Tech
	Virginia Tech vs. VMI
	Clemson vs USC
	etc.etc.etc.

Its almost silly to ask this question since everyone from a different school
will believe their rivalry is best.

For me I have fond memories of the NC State vs. UNC games and the chaotic
dances of victory on Hillsboro St. in Raleigh.  More than once was I placed
in the "protective" custody of a University "rent-a-cop" aftera wee bit too
much fun on the brickyard.

Currently the University of Utah and BYU rivalry is of interest.  The Utes have
a definite HATRED of BYU and it really manifests itself in every sporting 
event.  It gets quite ugly sometimes.

-Eric 
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: O'Banner Du Jour (was  Re: Best Rivalry)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:06:27 GMT

In article <14OCT199214321216@cc.utah.edu> ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W.  
STROUP) writes:
> {In article <71186@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)  
writes:
> {Perhaps the sale of Franklin Mint Commermorative UCLA Banner 
> {Coins could raise money for an appropriate resting place and 
> {keep the memory of those banners alive in bureau drawers 
> {throughout the nation.
> 
> They could even sell a pewter chess set featuring all of the "greats" from
> the glory days of UCelay......
> 
> -Eric

Think we could get Wooden on QVC for this event?  Don't forget
the "Glory Days" set of fully posable action figures (PAC-8/10
DDD not included).

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>
>You know you're right. In fact, Duke's championship banners have
>certainly lost a lot of their appeal already to anyone reading
>r.s.b.c.

Well, let's us look it this way. Even if Duke has a million NC banners 
hanging up in the Cameron, these banners aren't going to help Duke win 
another NC this year.  

>Come on Dukies. Your team is defending national champions.

There is no such a thing as defending national champions this year.
The national championship team last year doesn't exist this year.
Laettner and Davis are gone, so the Duke team this year is a different 
one.

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:

 >UCLA only hangs one type of banner.
 >
 >Not fake conference championship banners.
 >Not even its many real conference championship banners.
 >Not even "at one time in the season we were ranked really high" banners.
 >
 >But NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP banners.  NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP banners that
 >flow in their glory around the entire circumference of Pauley Pavilion.

It's too bad UCLA hasn't won any national championship ever since the 
1970's.  UCLA is facing the reality today where college basketball is 
more balanced, and all colleges have chances to get top players and 
go for the national championships.  That is why Duke's finishing in 
the Final Four five times in the past six years and winning two straight 
national championships is a remarkable feat.

The NC banners lose their appeal with time, and it certainly looks
like UCLA won't be putting up any more NC banners for some time to come.

Furthermore, UCLA's not putting up the conference championship banners
suggests that there is no pride in winning championships in a weak
conference.  I still remember people complaining about UCLA's playing
in a weak conference in the 1960's and 1970's.


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From: atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Damon Flint to go to tOSU!
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:26:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct14.122625.2954
Distribution: rec
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science


All 3 Columbus news stations, and Associated Press, reported last night that
6'5" senior Damon Flint will announce today that he has chosen Ohio State.  
Cincinnati Woodward coach Jim Leon said that Flint will hold a press 
conference on Wednesday morning to make the announcement.  Flint averaged 
20.5 ppg and 10.2 rpg last year while leading his team to the disctrict final.

Hear that Rashard?  Get your mammoth butt out here and visit!

GO BUCKS!!!
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From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Annual Prediction...
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:46:41 GMT


>Louisville and Kentucky will meet in the Final Four, the winner wins the
>National Championship.  Thank you for your time.

>Mike
>-- 

You should try to justify this assertion.

Archie Holmes

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Kansas Jayhawks Recruiting News
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:47:31 GMT


Recent news about KU recruiting:


The Jayhawks have received verbal commitments from:

	B.J. WILLIAMS, 6'7" f, Wichita, KS

	NICK PROUD, 6'10" c, Sandy, UT (#35 prospect -- Gibbons)

	JACQUE VAUGHN, 6'0" pg, Pasadena, CA (#19 prospect -- Gibbons;
		#11 prospect overall, #9 senior -- Wallace).


This leaves them with one scholarship, and the recruiting attention
seems to be focussed on the following two players:

	RASHEED WALLACE, 6'11" c, Philadelphia, PA -- He is leaning to
		Villanova, accd. to Gibbons.  Does anyone know where
		he will visit?

	SCOT POLLARD, 6'10" c, Kennewick, WA -- He has reportedly
		narrowed his list to KU, Arizona (are you listening,
		Gary?), and Arizona State.  He is ranked by Gibbons as
		the #6 center prospect and the #22 prospect overall.
		Pollard is scheduled to visit KU over the Halloween
		weekend and be on hand for Late Night with Roy
		Williams.  This event brings in the new season, and it
		is held in front of a rocking, capacity crowd in Allen
		Fieldhouse.  This may give KU an edge.

					-- source:  Bob Gibbons


KU is no longer in the running for Jerry Stackhouse.  If KU lands
either Pollard or Wallace, they will have done quite well for
themselves.  A point guard to replace Jordan, Williams to provide
depth behind Richey and Hancock, and Proud & ________ to team with
Ostertag in the post. Apparently, Roy felt that with Pearson, Gurley,
and Woodberry at shooting guard, there was no need to recruit a
replacement for Walters.  Here's hoping that Wallace follows the last
great center from Philadelphia and heads west to become a Jayhawk.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: landay+@cs.cmu.edu (James A Landay)
Subject: Fire Dean?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:55:10 GMT

UPI reported the following:
 
  >In an appearance which had all the enthusiasm of a victory
  >celebration, Bill Clinton found humor in news that President Bush vowed
  >to replace his economic team if re-elected. Speaking in North Carolina,
  >Clinton asked... ``Did you hear what Bush said... that if he got another
  >term he'd fire his economic team? ... Does it work that way in Carolina,
  >if the team has a bad season, the coach fires the team? America is a
  >fine team. Let's hire a new coach.''

I don't like Bush, but they would NEVER fire Dean!




-- 

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landay@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Subject: Re: Dickie V's guide (was: Street and Smith Issue)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:46:13 GMT
Summary: Got a couple decades? Read Blue Ribbon


Vitale's guide is about as good as his TV commentary, only you have
to pay for it. If you want information bordering on an obsession with
trivia (and you ARE reading this group, after all) get the Blue Ribbon book.
It comes out about mid-November and is more up-to-date and detailed than
S&S, etc.

Jim Whitehead
"big deal"
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:34:20 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <matthew.718583879@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>Duke/UNC has been going on for quite a while.  Duke is a relatively new
>school (basically, 1920s) so the rivalry isn't like a Harvard-Yale thing.

Duke has been called Duke since 1924.  However, it existed as Trinity College
for many years before that.  They started playing basketball in 1906, and
in fact played in the second intercollegiate basketball game ever in North
Carolina, against Wake Forest.  (it was held in what is now a dance hall
called the Ark, a ball's toss away from my old dorm).  Duke/Trinity and UNC used
to fight it out for the Southern Conference crown, with Duke winning it five
times in 25 years and UNC winning it four times.  So the rivalry has existed
for close to 70 years.  

>There was a (brief) period when people thought that Duke 
>would never challenge the upper echelon of the ACC again. 

Duke was consistently very good until the early 70's where they were awful
for about 6 years.  Then they were awful again in the early 80's for three
years.

>There was even talk of Wake and Duke joining the Colonial A.C. 

 Hmm.  When was this?
From: Jefe@news.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Keywords: Bribe, Referees
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:44:15 GMT
Followup-To: jafarr@acpub.duke.edu


In article <13OCT199213173149@mivax.mc.duke.edu>, seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS) writes:
|> In article <6002@news.
|> >  Personally, I think it was that damned 4 corners that Dean used to run
|> >that turned so many people off! :-)  
|> >	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
|> 
|>    Not only that, but the referees tended to favor Carolina.  I know this
|> sounds like whining (I save bandwidth by flaming myself...) from a Duke fan,
|> but I've heard other ACC fans make the same complaint.  There was one time when
|> Dean Smith pounded his fist on the scorers table so hard, he changed the score!
|>    Dean didn't even get a technical (though they did correct the score).
|> [End of file]

True.  If I remember the story correctly, at a Duke-UNC game in Cameron in the
early 80s (I want to say 1982), Dean went to the scorers' table and tried to
attract the attention of the referees.  Instead, he accidentally gave UNC 20
extra points.  The Cameron Crazies went absolutely berserk when a technical foul
wasn't assessed, and Coach K really exploded in the post-game press conference, 
blasting the officiating and the favoritism shown towards Dean.  Some people regard
that game as the spark which really heated up the Duke-UNC rivalry again.

Jefe

P.S. Does anyone know whether Michigan will have all the Fab Five come December?
     Haven't heard much lately...

Duke Blue Devils
Deja vu in '92