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From: joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: bmw FI systems (was Re: Cheap Gas in BMW K-100 RS?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:36:30 GMT

I write:
> >the new K bikes no longer have Bosch injection systems. they now use
> >the Motronic system which monitors the exhaust with an oxygen
> >sensor, and which uses a "hot wire" system instead of the older gate
> >style system for monitoring intake flow, density, etc. I suppose 
> >you could say it monitors the octane in that it monitors the exhaust
> >for proper combustion emissions and adjusts the mixture accordingly.

dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
> (1) Isn't the Motronic EFI just one particular kind of Bosch system?
>     (The old Bosch EFI was something like LE-Jetronic?)

yes. sorry for miscommunicating that.

> (2) How does an O2 sensor sense the fuel octane? I thought O2 sensors
>     were ceramic semiconductors which are sensitive to the amount of
>     free O2 molecules. How do they sense octane rating in the exhaust?
>     I wasn't away that, under normal circumstances, octane rating has
>     a significant effect on O2 emissions.

note:
> >I suppose 
> >you could say it monitors the octane in that it monitors the exhaust

I was implying that the system will compensate for poor combustion if
it can by altering the timing, mixture, etc, based on the O2 outputs.
no, it's not an octane monitor, but in loose terms the system could be
referred to as such.

the Motronic systems use RPM, air temp, coolant temp, injector butterfly
position, and O2 level to control timing and fuel mixture. the system
has a set of "nominal" values that it uses if the main system fails,
or one of the inputs is not within normal operating conditions (for
example, the O2 sensor in the exhaust will give accurate readings
only when the conductors are above 572 degrees F. it has a built in
heating element to get it up to temp quickly). at nominal operating
temp (600 deg F) the sensor is capable of reporting changes to the
computer in < 50ms. the inputs from the O2 sensor are ignored under
certain conditions, like >75% throttle acceleration when the delay
due to the distance from the chamber to the sensor becomes significant.
if you're interested, the sensor screws into the top of the muffler
right in front of the rear mount, and senses the exhaust right as it
leaves the catalytic converter.

they've also eliminated the air dam method of measuring air flow in 
favor of the more accurate method of calculating things via quicker 
reacting sensors. 

--
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: And bike covers
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:48:55 GMT

This po working class semblance of a graduate student (the po-est of
po) paid about $12 for a Wal Mart tarp which has done the job
just fine.  Water doesn't get in nor that magic melding excrement
of birds nor most other bad things I don't like.


Jack Waters

I keep my bike covered up to keep the water off of it.
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Compressed air for carb cleaning
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:20:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt51Hx.KCK
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <ALAVIGNE.92Aug17101310@bmerh930.bnr.ca> alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne) writes:
>
>I am trying to clean my carbs for the first time, and my Clymer manual says
>that I should clean out my jets with compressed air.  ok.  However, I don't
>have any fancy compressed air equipment, so what can a low-budget 
>home repair person do instead?   

  Go buy a can of Berrymans B-12 carb cleaner in the aerosol can.  
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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Fiamms...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.204649.759@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>Ball bearings would have been simpler. :-)
> 
Yeah, but wiring up a launcher to the horn butting and giving it a tracking
system that shoots where you look whould have been a bitch.  (and uptight one
at that)

Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
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From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (rja@sun.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmets and Motorcycle Fatalities
Date: 13 Aug 1992 03:44:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <1992Aug13.014537.17002@nas.nasa.gov> ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
>
> FYI - Some might be interested, here is the fatality rates for the first 
>6 months of 1991 and 1992 for motorcyclists from the California Highway 
>Patrol as reported in the San Jose Murkey News.
>
>	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Total
>
>1991	25	30	24	44	52	53	227
>1992	17	14	24	35	25	24	137
>
>
>The acompaning article asserts that the newly enacted helmet law is 
>responsible for the drop in fatalities. 

    What it doesn't say is how many riders just gave up riding,
    or how many squids are sitting around in hospitals with their
    butts sanded off, but still alive, costing the taxpayers money :-).

    Watch: soon we will have a mandatory leathers law.
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:52:34 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 867@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>Watch out, next time you find yourself under a sign that says
>"Paraffin - Inflammable" that you don't read it the wrong way
>and light up a fag.

And if a total stranger says, "mind if I pinch a fag?" he's probably
not even being kinky.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:25:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.714234357.545587.TJM


  Tetsuya Nishimura writes:
    Paul Thompson writes:
      Nick the Biker writes:

      YES YES YES!  I am exactly the same.  When I lived in Penhill, the road
      went down and then round to the left.  I could do 60-70 easily but coming
      back the other way, only 50ish.  Weird ain't it?

    This is probably because the radius of the turn is greater when turning left
    and riding on the left side of the road.

  In Japan, where we drive on the opposite side of the road from the US,
  the same thing happens: many people I know who are right handers,
  including me, are better at left corners (where the radius is lesser)
  than the right ones.  And left handers feel the oppostite.

Obviously, when approaching a left turn (right turn in the UK
and Japan) one should cross over the center line to the inside
of the turn. This will decrease the radius and take advantage of
the camber on that side. Many participants in this forum have
already perfected this technique.

You will no doubt boost your confidence in this type of turn
_and_ win the admiration of all your friends, oncoming drivers,
and law enforcement officials.

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
                         DoD #614/1980 Kawasaki KZ440B

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                   - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
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From: rblander@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers)
Subject: Update to V4 Cam Info
Keywords: Honda V4 Cams
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:39:47 GMT


	Attention V4 Owners!

I'm pleased to announce availability of a revised and updated
"V4 Cam Story".  Some of you are already familiar with this
file of collected info regarding the notorious Honda V4 cam
problem.  I've recently updated it with lots of new details.

If you want a copy, send me mail  (don't post to the net).

My existing clientele has already been informed of this update.
Some of you asked for it, some of you asked to be deleted from
my mailing list, and others did not respond.  The first list
below shows the people who wanted to stay on the list.
The second list shows the people who wanted to be deleted from
the list AND those who did not respond.   Please check these
lists and make sure you're where you expect to be.
Next week I will delete all the names in list 2, and then
send out the new version of "V4 Cam Story", in fulfillment of
my self-appointed status as KotV4.


-----
Robyn                              | "Any profit should go to Arnie's `get the
rblanders@math.uwaterloo.ca        |  daemon carved on Mount Rushmore' fund."
Den0051,  KotV4                    |       - Marty Albini, DOD0550
VF750S Sabre (his) FZX750 Fazer (hers)

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From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: fj.lec.moto
Keywords: It's a conspiracy, I tell ya :-)
    <l8m0i4INNt3v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:40:05 GMT

sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.175213.395@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>>Look what I found and what in the hell is it??????
>>
>>Newsgroups: fj.soc.traffic,fj.rec.motorcycles
>>> $@$K$h$C$F0cK!%^%U%i!<!J$*$h$S!"7Y;!41$,$=(J$@$l$HH=CG$7$?$b$N!K$rAuCe$7$?<VN>$r(J
>>        [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[   lots deleted   ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
>>$@!t(J $@$*$C$H!%$3$NEj9F$r(J $@8x0B(J $@$K8+$;$k;~$O!$<BL>$r>C$7$F$+$i$K$7$F$M!%(J

> Dude....
> It's _obviously_ a Japanese codeset. ...............................

No, no, no!!!
It's some sort of secret code, I tell ya!

I think it has something to do with the FJ owners.
Not only do they have their own newsgroup,
they have their own hierarchy!

-- 
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From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug15.004200.21412
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.083843.18630@rdg.dec.com> Mike.Webster@ime.mts.dec.com writes:
>
>
> I've not noticed any difference between shaft/chain bikes w.r.t.
> contersteering.
>
> RD350LC Cornered well, contersteering invaluable at high speed.
> GS850G  this one didn't want to go round coners at all.
> XT600E  easyest bike to corner, really flips into corners.
> XJ900F  Handles well if somewhat ponderously, counterseers well.
>
> Just an example of 2 chain and 2 shafties I've owned.
>
> Mike Webster. London UK.

I concur there is no difference countersteering shafts or chain for me
either.

Ducati 900 SD              BMW R90S
       750 SS              BMN R60
       600 Pantah          Moto Guzzi 850 LMIII
       750 Bott
Wish I still had these!    I've got the bottom two

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip Off
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:01:30 GMT
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing

In article <Bt07In.1EE@news.udel.edu>, andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
> The insurance is with
> Universal Underwriters.  They didn't know what a Ducati was, and they
> also don't consider it a sport bike.  It could cost me 2 to 3 times
> as much to insure a CBR600 or similar bike...

You shouldn't have let the loud-mouth see this...

-Roid
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Our Gang in California
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:44:51 GMT

In article <22275@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
>So I'm looking at "posers.gif", from the rec.moto.photo archive, and am
>possessed of a sudden wonder: is that Hein Gericke jacket the official
>jacket of the WestCoast DoD?  Just how expensive is it...?

leigh ann,

     the official gear of the west coast dod appears to be an arai lid atop
an aerostitch-clad poser.  here on the right coast, it's a shoei and hein
gericke leather.  rumors abound that arnie's in cahoots with an unnamed
cohort to produce daemon-embossed kushitani riding suits (cotton with leather
at all contact points, etc), which will doom us to eternal raffling at all
official dod events.  gack.

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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|  "The doorbell rang."                                                    |
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From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: bmw FI systems (was Re: Cheap Gas in BMW K-100 RS?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

(Al Bowers) writes:
[lots of text attributed to people that didn't write it :-)]
>O2 sensors simply measure the
>relative content of free oxidizer (not necessarily oxygen, though it
>usually is in most common applications).  

and in the case of the Motronic it is O2...

>I don't believe that the Bosch Motronic incorporates a
>knock sensor...

I saw no mention of it in the BMW training manuals...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters 
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:17:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.153146.16745@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:

     [story of tailgater being as impressed with craig as we all are deleted]

>	What would YOU do ?

if i were you, i'd shoot myself

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: Re: Drunk Cagers (Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters)
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:27:14 GMT

In article <25578@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>In article <16rhcvINNdn@rodan.UU.NET> smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
>writes:
>>In article <5758@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
>writes:
>>>   You can always leave enough following distance if you are behind the drunk
>>>so that you won't pile into his wreck.  Calling the cops is good though.
>>>In fact, I did that once on a trip in my cage.   From behind I watched the
>>>drunk drive his car up onto a guard rail.  He was sitting there with all four
>
>>>wheels off the ground and gunning his engine trying to move when the cop
>>>showed up.
>>
>>Just as a bit of amuzement, at the Burger King I used to work at in high
>>school, we used to call the police whenever people who were drinking
>>would go through the drive through.  We'd intentionally take our time
>>with their order to get a good description of their vehicle.
>>
>>Conveniently, there was a speed trap less than a block away from the
>>place that we'd get to sit and watch the cop pull out of as soon as the
>>report went through, and catch the people...
>>
>
>	As much as I hate to see drunk drivers on the road (and I have been involved
>in a hit and run accident with a car that was obviously driven by a drunk guy
>while I was with my like-new bike I had bought 2 months before (gives you a few
>reasons to hate the kind believe me, plus marks on the skin just to remember)).
>
>	As much as I despise the person, well I despise even more people that have an
>attitude like the one described above. I personally find denounciation like
>this degrading.
>
>	What about trying to talk to the guy for example ? With a few well chosen
>words you can make him feel very miserable. There are other ways than pure
>repretion like this, and especially vicious denounciation like what you've
>described.
>
>	JNM

And tell me JNM if you decided to "talk" to this person, and then he goes off
and hits a minivan full of kids killing them all, how will you feel then?
If they are drunk they have no business being behind the wheel, plain and
simple. There is no excuse you can make to rationalize endangering other
people when alternatives are available. Get that guy arrested and off the
road, the higher insurance rates and loss of license will undoubtedly go a
lot further than a "talk". 
	What you fail to realize is that some people just don't give a shit,
and no amount of talking will change that attitude.
Tim.

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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: what kind of oil needed for winter storage??
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:55:57 GMT

In article <viking.714189157@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>	Really, if all you're after is keeping condensation and
>moisture from harming the internals, any oil will do it, and it is
>best done by starting it once a month or so.  Old or new oil won't
>perform very differently, and I'd rather you spent the money on

Bzzzt!  But thank you for playing anyway. :-)

Old oil is full of all kinds of wonderful combustion by-products.  Several
of which are nice and acidic.  Acid+metal == bad. :-)
Changing the oil before you put it away (and then turning the engine
over BY HAND) let's you be sure that you've gotten most of the nasties
out of the engine.  

On a related note, if you're running the bike during the winter (me! me!!)
you should change the oil every 30 days or so, regardless of milage, as the
colder weather causes the acids to build up faster...

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
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