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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:05:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Aug28.180542.29698
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <BtpFu6.Lxs@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu
(The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
> Stan,
>     I'd never thought I'd say this to anyone:  Welcome to my kill
> file.  I've watched you espouse hate in every direction in the name of
> christianity constantly.  You ignore whatever anyone says if you can't

(I tried to send this via email, but it failed.)

It is only out of an excessive sense of honesty that I point out that
Stan is espousing hate in the name of Judaism rather than
Christianity.  I as a Jew am as appalled by Stan's posts as much as
most Christians are by Pat Robertson's ravings, but I cannot let you
blame the Christians or Christianity for this one.

As I said in a recent posting, I would have thought Jews would have
learned from their past what this sort of hate-mongering leads to,
and should perhaps remember that the bodies of Jews and homosexuals
shared the same lime pits in Europe, but some people are blind to the
lessons of history.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: germain%sanctum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (H. James de St. Germain)
Subject: Re: What's the use in having this group???
In-reply-to: rcano@bnr.ca's message of Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:00:47 GMT
Organization: U of Utah
	<1992Aug26.172832.11713@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Aug26.173758.11098@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<1992Aug28.182030.2959@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>
	<1992Aug31.120047.2881@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:50:49


>   I agree with Robert Czernkowski.
>   The homosexual/athiest in the BSA issues are 
>   of interest only in the USA. I'm interested

Thats an interesting point.  I guess that the only place in the world
where discrimination due to race/sex/preference/etc is encountered is
the united states?  These issues are relevant wherever the ideals of scouting
are supposedly practiced.


>   On a scouting note. does anyone have a suggestion for a wide area game
>   (other than capture the flag) suitable for senior cubs (age 9). Our
>   fall camp is in a semi wooded area. 

On a scouting note.  I learned a game at national scout camp which I forget
the name of, but bascially goes like this.  All the scouts save one (or
a couple) start out side of the woods. They are considered the prey of
the forest. (deer, antelope, small game.)  In the forest you place a
large number of objects (hats, chips, scarves, etc) which represent
food.  The prey must go into the forest and gather three items of
food (and return them to the safety zone) or risk starvation during the winter.

The one scout who is not prey is considered a predator (wolf, grizzly,
eagle, etc).  The predators job is to capture the prey.  he does this
by simply touching the prey.  The prey has three methods of defense.

1) RUN - deer use it, (Becareful if you allow running at your camp.)
2) FREEZE - a prey that is totaly immobile is considered to by camouflaged, 
            and cannot be touched until he moves (looks around, etc)
3) HIDE - touch a tree to symbolize hiding in the tree. 

Oh. Each prey carries one object to symbolize themselves.  If they are
"eaten" by the predator, they must give their chip to the predator
that got them.  They then become a predator for the next year.

If the predator doesn't get three prey, he starves for the winter.  
Any predator that starves becomes prey for the next year.

The game is fun and shows how there must be a balance between the
prey and the predators.

Note, you should start with only a small number of food in the forest
the first year (maybe 2 * number of prey) (remember they need
three to survive).  

I'm sure you can adapt this game to many environments and change the rules
where needed to make it more fun and or educational.

jim

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:32:33 GMT

bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays) writes:

>Perhaps we should restate and retrench a little here....  There are
>absolutes - the statement you have made above that the only
>requirement is for someone to agree with a behavior is not correct.
>We can now begin having a "silly" philosophic debate about the reasons
>for society.  Perhaps we should adopt some concept that "society
>exists to allow its members to exist and hopefully florish."  In this
>case, there are some restrictions perhaps (I'd suggest starting with
>murder being dis-allowed) and can continue from there.  Does sleeping
>around contribute to the demise of society?  That is perhaps a more
>pertinent question.  However, it is likely that sleeping around does
>not but that behaviors like drug abuse (note that I did not say drug
>use here:-) and theft may indeed inhibit and actually decrease the
>member's purposes.

Ok....If someone chooses to abuse drugs in the privacy of his own home and 
considers this behavior acceptable and moral, should society put restrictions
on him if it doesn't hurt anyone else (based on several other replies to
my question)? How does society decide what is acceptable and what is not?

Lately, it appears that the loudest voices and deepest pockets make the
decisions. But who's to say that they know best?

-Karen Hill
From: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov (TED KELL)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Crossposting articles with rec.scouting (was Re: BofA and UW ...)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov
Followup-To: rec.scouting
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Flight Center - Clear Lake City, TX, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Aug27.193624.19749@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes...
>[Follow up to rec.scouting. - Carl]
> 
>popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka) writes:
> 
>[...]
> 
>Heaven forbid that people might read the words of people who disagree
>with them.
> 
>Maybe rec.scouting should be split into several unmoderated
>newsgroups. The challenge is creating names and charters that the
>people who post will go along with. As a practical matter, it is
>impossible to limit an unmoderated newsgroup to a particular viewpoint
>(say, pro-BSA administration.) If a split is possible, it must be made
>along the lines of topics, rather than viewpoints.  Moreover, the
>names and charters that define topics must be clear and seem fair to
>all viewpoints.
> 
>Here is a possible split:
> 
>  rec.scouting.policy - discussion of policy of scouting groups worldwide
>                       (e.g. BSA membership policy)
>  rec.scouting.local - discussion of ideas and programs for local scout
>                       troops/groups.
>                       (e.g. winter camping equipment)
>  rec.scouting.misc - discussion of scouting topics not covered by more
>                      specific rec.scouting newsgroups.
>                        (e.g. what is the scout law in other countries?)
> 
>- Carl
> 
>--
>Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Perhaps not a bad idea.  Here is another possible split:

  rec.scouting - a MODERATED group that takes the place of the current 
                 rec.scouting 

  rec.scouting.free-for-all - an UNmoderated group that would take about 95% 
                of the current trafic on this group.


Ted Kell
From: foo@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: What's the role of the Pack Committee Chair vs. Cubmaster
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:15:47 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Aug31.133921.4792@linus.mitre.org>, edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit) writes:
> I am curious how different packs split the work between the committee
> chair and the cubmaster.  I was just "promoted" to cubmaster, and the
> formerly ineffective cubmaster has moved into committee chair as a
> "temporary".  
> 
> My first concern is to rebuild pack leadership.  This is especially
> important as the pack has not recovered from the loss of the old pack
> leadership of 1.5 yrs ago and I'll be moving up to Boy Scouts in
> March.  I'd hate to see the pack fall apart.
> 
> Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
> The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
> 7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
> McLean, VA   22102


Jeff,

I know this sounds like a cliche.. but I swear by it.. find out who your
commissioner is (if you don't already know) and ASK them to come in and
help you decipher the role of your committee.. and then help you
TRAIN them in their roles.. (if not trained already)  You sound like you
are excited about the challenge of bringing back an older pack.. but don't
be deterred by your short tenure.. a GOOD cubmaster can do wonders in the
place of ineffective leadership.  If you want the good works you are doing
now to continue.. don't do ALL the work.. be sure that people feel that they
are a part of things and make sure that they KNOW their JOBS!!  This may
include going over individually with each committee person and scheduling
fast start training (to be followed up with basic training) to get your
committee going down the RIGHT PATH!!   Your District commissioner should be
WELL KNOWN to you. the cubmaster..  he/she can provide lots of experience
and tell you what may help or not help you in your task.. Hope this helps.

Gina Gestautas		foo@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Longhorn Council 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:40:56 GMT

anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
> 3). Again, stop being ethnocentric.  You may consider it immoral for an
>individual to sleep around, but many cultures around the world encourage it.
>Just because you do not prescribe to it does not make it immoral.  Just not
>within your beliefs.  So, gay or straight, doesn't matter in this instance.

So what we have here, is that anything is ok (moral, whatever) as long as
someone believes it is and prescribes to that kind of behavior or belief?

So that must mean that there are no longer any absolutes. Nothing is absolutely
right and nothing is absolutely wrong because someone, somewhere believes it
is ok.

What would happen to society under this premise?

> 4).So, you're fairly rigid in your beliefs.  Then if you don't like the 
>scoutmaster/other leaders in a troop, find another one.  Troops split 
>over smaller issues than this continually.  if a troop has a gay leader, 
>and you don't like that, find a troop that doesn't have one.  There are
>definately enough troops to do that.  Just as you;d attend another 
>synagogue.    >-- 

Ok...say you have a scout troop where X ( where X is a significant portion of
the troop) number of scouts and their parents do not prescribe to 
homosexual behavior. Say also that the scout leader is gay. Who should
leave...all those "homophobe" scouts and their families or the
gay scout leader? Who chooses who's rights are more important here? If
either side leaves, discrimination can be claimed.

-Karen Hill

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jfritz@ptolemy1.rdrc.rpi.edu (Joe Fritz)
Subject: Re: Words for last verse of _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.075642.5704@news.Hawaii.Edu> dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Deborah Maraziti (aka Spacee)) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.184715.23385@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jayne Ashworth) writes:
>>
>>The words I have are the familiar Peter, Paul and Mary words and
>>end with the verse where the boy grows up and the dragon goes
>>into his cave.  I have heard, at a Girl Scout camp many years
>>ago, an additional verse where the boy grows up, has a son
>>and the son returns to frolic with Puff.  Does anyone have
>>the words to this verse?  If you do, please e-mail them to
>>me at jpa@virginia.edu - Thanks!  Jayne Ashworth
>
>Ooooh!  Print them here too, please!  We love to sing this song, but
>it's so depressing...
>
>
I don't think there is another verse after "A dragon lives
forever....sadly slipped into his cave."  At least that's how it is
always sung by PP&M, and Peter Yarrow (The Peter of PP&M) wrote the
song.  One thing that they have done in their more recient
performances of the song, is to repeat the chorus about three times,
once sadly, once happily, and once more to end song.  Thus you have

"    .
    .
    .
 ...sadly slipped into his cave.
 Puff the magic dragon lived by the sea, 
 And frollicked in the autum mist in a land called Honalee

<Sudden speed up>
 Puff the magic dragon LIVES by the sea PRESENT TENSE!
 And FROLLICKS in the autum mist in a land called Honalee.

 Puff the magic dragon lives by the sea 
 And frollicks in the autum mist in a l_a_n_d c_a_l_le_d_ H_o_n_a_l_e_e_e_e_e_.
"  

Note: caps indicate the word is stressed.  (A musical accent).  The
PRESENT TENSE word _is_ sung, or rather quickly interjected into the
song during the short pause between lines in the chorus.  The last
four words are drawn out to ent the spong.

-- 
May God keep and bless you always   | jochen (joe) fritz
And may all your dreams come true   | jfritz@rdrc.rpi.edu   <><
May you always do for others        -----------------------------
And let others do for you.  -- "forever young"  --Dylan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mystical@nmt.edu (Gurupartap Davis)
Subject: Re: Grendel and Spawn
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:01:04 GMT

In article <Z9JeqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Am I the only person who thinks that Spawn looks just like Grendel in a 
>cape?

Actually, I noticed that when I recently saw Grendel for the first time.  
Mostly, though, he looks like Spidey with green eyes and a cape (If you've 
seen the Batman stuff he did for DC I think you would agree that McFarlane
enjoys his capes)

Oh, just a little note.  Did  anyone notice in the movie _Stay Tuned_ that 
ther wicked bad guy (I forgot his name) has an incredibly large McFarlane-
looking cape on near the end (at the Guillotine scene)?  I thought it was 
funny as hell...

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From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:22:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Hey everyone!  (Everyone point at newbie)

	Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here 
about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
am!!
	I usually read 'down-to-earth' stuff like the X-titles, but
the inter-cosmic scale on which this series is presented in just
incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
IMO.
	Well, this is a short post and I will probably receive a short
reply....but hey!  At least I posted!  (|

BTW...have a nice day!

Jonny B.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Espers
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 21:25:07 EDT

Does anyone remember the Espers limited series?  There were five issues, and
I believe it was done by Valiant.  I was reading in one of the letters pages
that other limited series were in preparation, and each one was supposed
to fit together like a novel.  Has anyone heard anything about that?
 
 
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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War #5 error?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:27:47 GMT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <BtpD5E.2tI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr.
Vincent Vaugn ) says:
>
>In issue #5 of Infinity War, Captain America mentions to Thanos that
>the heroes almost took him down when he possessed the Gauntlet. However,
>I thought that everybody's memory of the Infinity War was erased when
>Nebula undid all that Thanos had done with the gaunlet in Infinity
>Gauntlet. Did I miss something? How could Captain America, let alone
>ANY of the heroes know anything about the what happened during the
>Infinity Gauntlet series?
>All in all, I eenjoyed IW #5, cuz Doc Doom finally shut up Kang and
>kicked major *ss, as is his usual style! Are we to assume that the
>cosmic cubes are destroyed? One would think that if their containment
>vessels were blown apart, the released energy would do tons of damage...
>Hopefully, Doom recovers in time to take the Gauntlet from Magus
>next issue :--)  It would be nice if Warlock doesn'tt become the one to save
>the Universe _again_--someone else would be a welcome change..

Nope, sorry.  The Magus keeps the gauntlet right up to the end, and Warlock
is incapacitated, so he's not the hero.  I think that the guy who said that
some lady would come in and save the whole day - the good side of Warlock -
was righton the money.

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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Cerebus #300 (was Re: CRISIS IN INFINITE (well, several) NEWSGROUPS)
Keywords: cerebus, liefield, EKOJ
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:53:15 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <1992Sep4.060725.3719@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.221433.28446@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>	Well, I have to admit, Sim managed to pull it off.  Not
>>perfect, certainly, but he managed to tie everything together nicely,
>
>And how!  Damn!  I've never cried because of a comic book before, but I'm not 
>ashamed to admit I did this time.  What a long strange trip it's been.

	Amen to that Brother! (Been reading my GL/GA reprints again :-) )
>
>>
>>	One thing, though-- does anyone know what Cerebus meant by his
>>last line.  (Leave it to Dave to put in a mysterious utterance in the
>>very last issue.  Bastard.)  Or does it refer to something that I'm
>>blanking on?  (Open the pic-box on the lower left to see the scene I'm
>>talking about.)
>
>Dude, you got me.  But it's been a while since I read M&D book four...
>since so much of the last few years has been a conclusion of those dangling
>plot threads, maybe there's an answer there from someone who's read those
>issues recently.

	I think it has to do with Mind Game 15, but I was never able to get
	some of those temporal pieces put together right.  The 3D Mind
	Game issues were hard enough.
>>
>>	In any case, I'm looking forward to whatever Dave does after
>>he finishes his sabbatical.  Any idea what sorts of ideas he's working
>>with?

	Actually I heard it was a Suicide Squid revival with Dave McKean
	and Norm Breyfogle.
>
>>
>>Mike
>Patrick B. Hall

Countess : "Would you like something to drink?"
	Cerebus : "Aye. Whiskey."
 Countess : "Anything with that?"
	Cerebus : "Aye. A big glass."

-- 
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:30:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Aug30.013053.8882
Distribution: na
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <1992Aug30.004057.4931@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>     If anyone else notices Marvel (or DC) writers subtly slamming the Company 
>Line (i.e. maximum profits and damn the story), post it.

Well, there was that time during the Millennium series when Nancy Reagan was
shown to be a Manhunter....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
Subject: Valiant
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:47:24 GMT


I wrote Valiant a 3 page letter and i got a one line response
'Thanks for your letter' written in black magic marker....very profesonal(ha)

-morgan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: perry@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Perry Staltari)
Subject: Batman (AZRAEL)
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:19:32 GMT

	Just got the Batman issue with "the Sword of Azrael". I thought
it was quite good and intriguing. I just wanted to know what others
thought and how many issues this would go on for....

	thanks


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University of Western Australia| "I am not a crook!!"      
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:08:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!<--YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA