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From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Economic Democracy
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:23:02 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

(Dave Caulkins) writes:

>Economic Democracy *
>
>"He who pays the piper calls the tune." - proverb
>
>  D. Caulkins                                       10/7/92
>
>The concept is simple and compelling - US taxpayers should be
>given the right to 'vote' on how their tax dollars are spent.

[description of proposal deleted]

You might want ot come up with a new name for your proposal, Dave. The
term "Economic Democracy" has already been co-opted by progressives as an
American-compatible euphemism for Socialism. One of Gov. Clinton's
economic advisors, who's name I'm afraid eludes me, wrote a book on the
subject; his idea of economic democracy is that the public votes itself
whatever share it feels it needs of your wealth. It's not clear what Mr.
Clinton thinks about this particular piece of economic advice.
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                     Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory        Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                          Renaissance Dude

 The ideas and opinions expressed here do not represent official policies
 of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  the University of California,
                or the United States Department of Energy.
From: bigger@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Marcel Bigger)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Undergraduate Education in Economics (US)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:59:43 GMT
Followup-To: bigger@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


In late Spring '92 I posted a message discussing undergraduate education
in economics in the United States. Unfortunately, I had some problems 
with my account over the summer so that your responses were lost. Could
you update me on what was discussed.

What follows is a summary of my original message:

Undergraduate university education in economics suffers under the inability
of high schools to equipe the pupil with basic knowledge of economics.
Usually, the economics major is enrolled in micro- and macroeconomics intro-
ductory courses in his/her first year. This seems to be a waste of time.
The high schools could easily teach these introductory courses for advanced
placement in economics. There are advanced placement examinations for 
economics, but for a score on them you usually do not receive any college
credit for required micro- and macroeconomics courses. The questions asked
on them are considered not university level especially not for students
specializing in economics. In the natural and mathematical sciences there
are viable course offerings in high school, sophisticated advance placement
examinations and useful college credit. In a word, the high schools are
not doing their job and the universities are not complaining like they did
in the natural and mathematical sciences.

Furthermore, undergraduate education in economics is too broadly based.
General education is the domain of secondary schools not of tertiary
institutions. The undergraduate should be required to take a strong majority
of his lectures and classes in economics. So the university makes sure
that the student will actually know economics on a level allowing him
to practice it as a young economist in public or private industries.
The situation now is that to become a professional economist one nearly
has to get a Master's or Doctorate. Inflation in education. Economics
students enjoying themselves with courses in non-economics areas will end up
"knowing everything without knowing anything", mainly knowing foreign 
languages, calculus, english composition, communication, ... (everything
which they either way already learned in high school) without
knowing (emphasis on knowing) economics.



Marcel W. Bigger
Purdue, Undergrad, Economics Major and Helvetian


Quote: the standard Keynes' undergrad quote
Newsgroups: sci.econ,alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Sixteen more years
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:08:13 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Organization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Oct15112058@caisr1.ces.cwru.edu> yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>
>My guess would be that a Clinton administration would increase the
>rate of growth in the deficit (the second derivative of the debt) at
>about the same rate as the Bush administration, but with more of the
>money going to civilian programs.

	If you follow the Dems' logic carefully, they don't accuse Bush
of not priming the pump hard enough (Really, now, how COULD they ?),
but of distributing the deficit to people who invest their money in
securities, rather than consumption. 

	But at the same time, America is not investing ENOUGH to be
competitive, as Lester Thurow says. The answer - increase productivity OR
get those trade barriers UP !!

>
>I think Clinton will likely follow Reagan's model of spending our way
>out of a recession into another economic boom (possibly with increased
>inflation).

	Which makes long-term recovery all the more difficult. Looks like
depression time to me.

>
>I expect trillion dollar deficits by the end of the decade.

	What we need to know from William TODAY is who he'll replace
Greenspan with. Fred Bergsten is not a bad economist - he's no Milton
Friedman, but appears to be a sound money man. If we're going to make
it out of the 1990s with the shirts on our backs, we need a sound money man
in the saddle, to counteract all the foolish pump-priming at a time when
the blasted thing just leaks like a sieve and my shoes are getting wet.
But the guy is going to have to have GUTS - maybe Paul Volker will
come back from the old folks home, or Strauss can do for our economy
what Bush has him doing for Russia :)


	Bill R.

	"My opinions do not represent those of my employer or any
government agency."


-- 
Bill R.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: ywang1@husc8.harvard.edu (Yongkang Wang)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Infor Wanted: Federal Reserve Bank
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:19:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct14.141926.16382
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hi,

Does anyone know the domain name of the following institutions:
 
   the Federal Reserve System, Washington, DC
   the Federal Reserve Bank of Minnesota,   
 
If you do, please email me. Thanks.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Perot's Economic Figures - TV
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:27:45 GMT

In <MATT.92Oct8122111@physics.berkeley.edu>, Matt Austern writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.103450.1931@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markr@mot.com (Mark) wri

>> A lot of us are making the mistake that Perot is running to hurt or help
>> one of the other candidates.  What we must realize is that he is in the
>> race to win it

>In the race to win it?  I don't think so.  There are many things about
>Perot that I don't admire, but I have enough respect for his
>intelligence to believe he knows perfectly well that he is not going
>to win this election.  Whatever his reasons for reentering this
>campaign, winning the election just isn't one of them.

>Voters ought to remember that too.  The next President is going to be
>either Bill Clinton or George Bush, and we might as well face reality
>and accept that fact.  If you choose, for whatever reason, to vote for
>Perot, then you are giving up your opportunity to influence the
>decision between those two candidates.

And we also compromise our own principles and have to live with the fact
that we are helping to preserve the two-party status quo which has served us,
ahh, er, so well.


Tim Irvin   j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
******************************************************************************

Marrou/Lord '92
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From: tim.foley@rose.com (tim foley)
Subject: 3B1 Software Needed
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Distribution: u3b
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:38:25 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 10-09-92 21:34
 
  NEEDED :  Full Software for AT&T 3B1
 
  I recently aquired a 3B1, neat toy, but it has only the FUNDAMENTAL 
version of the Unix os, this is a major drag!  If anyone has the full 
development system for the 3B1 out there, drop a line and lets see 
what kind of a deal we can work out, as this thing is useless as it 
sits. 
 
                        Thanks 
 
                            Tim
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From: hugues@gna.org (Hugues Lafarge)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,gna.admin,resif.divers
Subject: recherche boulot
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:58:48 GMT
Organization: X-Design 119 rue de Flandre, 75019 Paris, France

Je poste ce C.V. pour un ami qui recherche du travail.
Veuillez lui te'le'phoner directement si vous avez 
quelque chose pour lui, ou me re'pondre par mail, je
lui transmettrai.

Merci d'avance.

Xavier DROZDZYNSKI
51 rue Berthe 75018 Paris
Tel : 42 54 98 78
Marie', un enfant
31 ans, Franc,ais

Inge'nieur syste`me et de'veloppement

Expe'rience professionnelle

1991 :  Inge'nieur AXLOG Inge'nierie (15 pers. 8 MF de CA)

Gestion d'un parc de 20 stations de travail SUN IPC et serveur SUN
490 et de'veloppement syste`me UNIX, THOMSON ASM.
Participation au portage UNIX SVR4 et  X11R4, notamment aux
aspects re'seaux, SIEMENS-NIXDORF

1988 - 1991 :   Inge'nieur d'e'tude a` INFI (450 pers. 200 MF de CA)

De'veloppement du re'seau X29 pour AENIX (UNIX like), support aux
utilisateurs CIT ALCATEL.
Administration syste`me UNIX, de'veloppement logiciel du projet Termit
de FRANCE TELECOM, conception et re'alisation du syste`me de
documentation en ligne du logiciel ainsi que la messagerie inter-
utilisateur.
Participation au de'veloppement de boi^te a` outils oriente'e objet et multi-
fene^trage (X-Window, Sunview), CEGELEC R&D

1987 - 1988 :   Stagiaire de recherche INRIA

Participation au de'veloppement de l'interface graphique du ge'ne'rateur
de syste`me expert APEX sur SUN (C, Common Lisp, SunView)
Administration syste`me de 7 machines Unix
De'veloppement interface graphique pour le simulateur Sphinx.

1985 - 1987 :   Inge'nieur a` AN CONSEIL (6 pers. 4 MF de CA)

Spe'cification, conception et re'alisation d'un syste`me de gestion
administratif sur machine UNIX et INFORMIX, Assistance Publique
de Paris.
Mise en service et maintenance de trois sites, formation des e'quipes
utilisatrices.

Formation

1985    Mai^trise d'informatique Universite' de Paris VIII
1983    Deug Administration Economique et Sociale Paris VIII


Formation comple'mentaire

1992    Cycle de perfectionnement aux Techniques de
        Commercialisation et de Marketing (ADETEM PARIS)
        Dure'e : six mois a` temps complet.
        Re'alisation d'une e'tude produit concernant un Atelier de
        Ge'nie Logiciel pour une SSII de 35 Salarie's.


Expertise informatique

Techniques :    Administration Syste`mes UNIX, SUN, SM90, MIPS.
        Infographie : SunView, X11
        Re'seaux : X25, X29
        Me'thodologie : SADT, DOD 2167A
        SGBD : INFORMIX

Langages :      C++, Objective C, C

Syste`mes :     UNIX V7(Plexus 40), Sys III (Altos 286),
        Sys V (Alcatel 8300)
        UNIX BSD 4.2 et 4.3 (Sun 3 et 4), SVR4 (Mips).


Connaissance de l'entreprise

        Techniques de vente et commercialisation
        Comptabilite' ge'ne'rale, gestion de centre de profit.


Divers

Anglais (niveau professionnel : lu, e'crit, parle')
Espagnol (niveau universitaire : lu, e'crit, parle')
Squash, Cine'ma.

--
Hugues Lafarge 	hugues@gna.axis-design.fr or hugues@gna.org
Voice		+33 1 40 35 20 20
Newsgroups: fnet.general
From: berstel@mipsmath.math.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Subject: fnet.jobs ?
Reply-To: berstel@lacim.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Organization: Universite du Quebec a Montreal
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:01:30 GMT

Juste une confirmation : il n'existe pas de newsgroup consacre aux offres
d'emploi en France, n'est-ce pas ? Qu'il s'appelle fnet.jobs ou autre ?

Bruno.
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Bruno Berstel                                         berstel@lacim.uqam.ca
Laboratoire de Combinatoire et d'Informatique Mathematique       L.A.C.I.M.
Universite du Quebec a Montreal                                    U.Q.A.M.
(Tele)phone : (514) 987-8495                           Fax : (514) 987-8477
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                    Noel en hiver, Paques au printemps.
Newsgroups: lou.sun
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: xenitec downtime (next try)
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 18:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.182006.6155@xenitec.on.ca> eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:
>Due to events beyond my control, I've had to reschedule for
>20:00 Thu Sep 8.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

Ooooops!  That should have red Thu Oct 8th.  We did have Sep
this year, didn't we?  I seem to have missed it.

		--ed
Newsgroups: xenitec.uucp,kw.uucp
From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: xenitec downtime (next try)
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.182550.6711@xenitec.on.ca> eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:
>Ooooops!  That should have red Thu Oct 8th.  We did have Sep
>this year, didn't we?  I seem to have missed it.
>

You must have been waiting for summer.

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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: kwuug@tdkcs.waterloo.on.CA
Subject: October Meeting
Submit-To: kwuucp@xenitec.on.ca
Reply-To: kwuug@tdkcs.waterloo.on.CA
Organization: XeniTec Consulting Services, Kitchener, ON, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:24:22 GMT


From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)

The next meeting of the KW Unix User's Group will be held at 19:00 on 
Wed, October 21 in Davis Center 1302 at the University of Waterloo.

			---------------
			**THE** Agenda:
			---------------

1) Sign-in.

2) Introductions (you know -- name, rank, and serial number)

3) Presentation: After his impromtu off-the-cuff lecture at the 
August "open forum" meeting, Sean Goggin (sean@mks.com) volunteered 
to make a full presentation on IP (Internet Protocol) and it's 
associated protocols.

No prior experience with IP is aassumed although knowledge of the existance 
of the Internet may be helpful.   

4) Question Period: Sean will answer questions from the audience on his 
   presentation.

5) Open question period: Other comments, questions, etc. will be addressed
   at this time. Topics may include:

	Further discussion on domain parks 
	KW public access Unix
	Internetworking possibilities?
	Any audience questions 

6) Adjourn to a nearby eating establishment for food and discussion.

See you at the meeting!

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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Choice of domain name
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.224733.1591@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>In article <13055@ember.UUCP> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>>What's the point of a domain name if I'm going to have change
>>domains every few years?  What about co-op students that move every
>>four months?  Not all of them stay in Canada either, let alone
>>Ontario.
>UUCP site names are not for laptop computers. And definitely
>not for transients. Think of it like a post office. It's supposed
>to stay in one place.

Humbug. The only consideration when you have a .uucp name registered is 
that (1) it's unique, and (2) mail can reliably be gotten to it.  Want 
to move and you have a .uucp registration? Make your connection with the 
new site, send in an updated map entry, and have your prior and current 
site send in a map update, and the deed's done. Pathalias'll or other 
appropriate mail routing technology will figure out the rest.

If you had a central system that took care of processing mail under that 
domain, then moving around would be that much easier since all you'd 
have to do would be have the forwarding host update it's local map entries
to reflect the change in connectivity. Simplicity itself.

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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
Subject: Re: Choice of domain name
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:33:56 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:

> I'm the only undergrad I know with a UUCP connection. I'm
> not in co-op. No reasonable co-op would try what you're suggesting.

   OK, so I'm a B.Sc. now, but zswamp has had a UUCP connection since I was in 
first year.

   Barry Redwood, operator of City Limits BBS in Cambridge, is seeking a UUCP 
feed so that he can operate a local UUCP-FidoNet gateway (stuff heading here 
currently uses the default .z1.fidonet.org gateway in the States), and a 
fellow running a machine supposedly called gamiga offered him a feed.  I can't 
find gamiga in the maps, but Barry tells me that the owner's a co-op student 
at an area university.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Re: Choice of domain name
Organization: Industrial Cybernetics
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 22:47:33 GMT

In article <13055@ember.UUCP> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>
>What's the point of a domain name if I'm going to have change
>domains every few years?  What about co-op students that move every
>four months?  Not all of them stay in Canada either, let alone
>Ontario.

UUCP site names are not for laptop computers. And definitely
not for transients. Think of it like a post office. It's supposed
to stay in one place.

I'm the only undergrad I know with a UUCP connection. I'm
not in co-op. No reasonable co-op would try what you're suggesting.

Ice()

Newsgroups: xenitec.uucp,kw.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: xenitec downtime (next try)
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 03:26:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.034918.28451@xenitec.on.ca> eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:
>xenitec.xenitec.on.ca will be down for a comprehensive hardware
>upgrade including installation of a new motherboard, controller,
>additional hard disk capacity.  We also expect to be installing
>the latest beta cut of next year's os.

Well, the hardware didn't cooperate, so now that we're set to try
it again, we'll be down commencing about 03:00 Thu Sep 8, for a
period of 36 to 48 hours - if we're succesful.  If we abort again,
we may be back up much sooner.

The .xenitec.on.ca network will be unreachable for the duration.

                --ed            (Ed Hew)
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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: Choice of domain
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 03:21:22 GMT

In article <13055@ember.UUCP> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>But I find it annoying:  I intend to move!  When I moved from
>Waterloo to Kingston, my email address of "pacolley@ember.uucp"
>didn't change and I didn't get any reports of mail problems from
>people.  This is the way it should be, IMHO.

It however doesn't mean that you're easily findeable by distant
Internet hosts unless you have someone hold an MX record for you.

>What's the point of a domain name if I'm going to have change
>domains every few years?  What about co-op students that move every
>four months?  Not all of them stay in Canada either, let alone
>Ontario.

The .CA domain namespace is intended to provide a geographically
oriented namespace to stable organizations, companies, and
institutions.  The odd time one of them requires an ammendment
to their registration, it's easily forthcoming.

It wasn't designed to provide registrations for private individuals,
hence unless you declare yourself to be a company or equivalent,
you're out of luck here.  Co-op students were never in the plan,
so are not provided for.

I suppose you could make a case that there _should_ be provision
for such.  I'll leave that to you to decide.

>Somebody told me to make up a company name and register under
>"*.com".  Which seems silly, but is perhaps the best answer.  Do
>they allow individuals to register under .com?  Is it as cheap as
>under a geographic name?

Don't quote me, but I recall when it was the same fee.  I have no
idea what it may be for .com right at the moment, but it's still
likely to be nominal.

As for which domain to register under...perhaps your best choice
may be .org, and then register under .CA when your location
stabilizes.  Remember, there's nothing to preclude having more
than one registration.  There's lots of precedence, {.edu,.ca},
{.com,.ca}, {.org,.ca}, to name a few known combinations.

>Anyways, I'm hoping somebody has some good advice.
>
>- Paul Colley
>University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
>Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807

Hope this helps.

                --ed            (Ed Hew)
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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: Choice of domain
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 01:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.210936.9251@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn) writes:
>Hmmmm.... maybe there'd be a market for a centralized email forwarding
>service similar along the lines of the "domain park" we keep talking 
>about?. People who move a lot (like co-op students) could register with 
>the machine that runs that domain park/mail forwarding service for a small 
>fee. All mail to that person would be sent to an address at that machine, 
>which would then forward it to the machine wherever the person actually is.
>
>This way, the only thing that would have to be changed when someone 
>changes where they tie into the net to a new upstream site would be:

And what you outline is precisely what a domain park is supposed
to accomodate.  It gives you a .CA subdomain registration, and
the authority to determine routing within that subdomain, which
is one of the reasons I suggested it in the first place.  It works,
just look at .ocunix.on.ca.  There's no reason why there can't be
a .kwuug.on.ca.

		--ed