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From: abeals@autodesk.com (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Can the NT CD be read under SunOS 4.1.1 ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:56:04 GMT

hamilton@vine.cp10.es.xerox.com (Bruce A. Hamilton) writes:

>I haven't yet bought a CD-ROM drive for my PC, but I just ordered the NT CD-ROM.  Will I be able to read it under SunOS 4.1.1b?  Yes I have /pcfs in the kernel.  If I can read it under SunOS, it will be easier to print the documentation on various high-speed PostScript printers at work.

Yes.

mount -r -t hsfs /dev/sr0 /cdrom

works great for me.  that's how I got the software up and running
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: getting into NT development
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:42:30 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: NT IN2000 CD-ROM NEC SCSI

In article <1992Jul30.145229.26290@ctr.columbia.edu> braithwaite@fncrd0.fnal.gov writes:
>Greetings,
>i have watched with interest the win32 OS, as an application i am developing is
>ideally suited to the windows GUI, but requires a real OS underneath.  as NT
>delivers this, i wish to get the SDK.  i know i'm going to get flamed

You can order the Preliminary Win32 SDK for WIndows NT by calling 800-227-4679.

They'll have the supported hardware list there as well - I posted it to comp.
os.ms-windows.announce a few weeks ago, but am at home now and don't have it
to hand -- Alistair

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: geert@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Geert van Kempen)
Subject: How do I become NT beta tester?
Summary: Can I get NT beta tester, altough I live in Holland?
Keywords: NT, betatester, Holland
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:20:07 GMT

As I live in Holland, I would like to know if it
possible for me to become NT betatester?
If so, how?

I like to port my freeware Windows 3.1 to Windows NT.

Geert van Kempen.

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joiner@cs.umn.edu (Jay Joiner)
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Requirements???
Keywords: windows nt, hard drive, swap file
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:11:42 GMT

In <1992Jul24.133743.22255@unlinfo.unl.edu> pickrell@hoss.unl.edu (Andrew Pickrell) writes:

>I haven't touched or even seen Windows NT with my own eyes, but I
>have 1 question which I hope can be answered.

>Why does everyone keep talking about a 20meg min for the swapfile???

Because that's what the installation documentation says.  There's a
specific warning not to reduce the size below 20 Meg or the system
may not boot.

Jay Joiner
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: tools@berkeley (Tools Directory)
Subject: More TCP/IP install problems
Summary: TCP/IP install problems
Keywords: Windows NT, TCP/IP
Reply-To: uunet!fai.com!charlesb
Organization: Fujitsu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:23:17 GMT

I too am having problems getting TCP/IP to work.

I installed from CD-ROM with the graphical setup and everything went o.k.  I
then used the Network Control Applet to set up a Western Digital WD8013E LAN
card, (from the menu) with TCP/IP settings:

     Default Gateway: 133.164.130.254
             Netmask: 255.255.255.0
          IP Address: 133.164.131.2

My LAN card is set up using the defaults:

                 IRQ: 2
         Memory Base: 0
             IO Port: 0x200

I did all my setup using the graphical screens, and I did not fuss with
regedit. 

I am trying to plug this machine into a Sun Workstaion net, and
we don't have any other Windows machines on the net.  I am trying to
get TCP/IP support only.

After the machine rebooted from the above changes, I brought up a DOS
window and entered:

     net start tcpipsvc /trace

and got:

     The TCPIPSVC service is starting...

A window appears, and then immediately disappears! I cannot see
any of the messages! The startup has failed and I am left with:

     The TCPIPSVC service could not be started

How do I keep the trace window on the sceen long enough to read it?

I'm at a loss as to how to debug this.  Can anyone make any suggestions?

Charles

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: pbrooks@mentorg.com (Phil Brooks)
Subject: DLL questions
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:32:35 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I have a couple of questions concerning dll's on Windows/NT:

Can one dll call another directly?  i.e. if I have a.dll and b.dll
and a.dll has a function a_func() which is an imported function in
b.dll, can b.dll call a_func() and get the function in a.dll?

How are hierarchies of link time dll's initialized (LibMain)?  If
I have a hierarchy of dll's that are specified at link time:


                main()
                /    \
             aa.dll   bb.dll
             /    \       \
           cc.dll   \     dd.dll
                      \    /
                       ee.dll

In what order are the LibMain functions called for this hierarchy?

-- 
Phil Brooks
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: Installing NT
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:29:32 GMT

joel@vthvax.tamu.edu writes:
> I'm having trouble installing WNT.  One problem is that I have to let
> OS/2 remain on a bootable partition.  I know this is unsupported but
> I have no choice.  I also only have 8 meg of ram.  Will NT install with
> only 8 meg of ram?  Here's what i did:
> 
> - I partitioned the disk with a 1 meg primary boot partition, a primary 135 meg
>   os/2 partition, and 2 135 meg extended dos partitions.
> 
> - Installed os/2 with it's (flexboot) program.
> 
> - Rebooted.  Selected dos from os/2's bootloader. 
> 
> - Used dos2nt to install NT on C drive and edited the ini files.
> 
> - Rebooted.  Selected dos from os/2's boot manager, which brought
>   up NT's boot manager.  Selected NT...
> 
> Windows NT
> Portable Bootloader
> (c) Microsoft
> 
> Warning! - Incorrect EISA memory configuration info.
> Windows NT will use the ISA memory configuration information.
> 
> Loading...
> 
> MS Windows NT
> MnInit: 8192 Kb Available memory
> *** Fatal system error: 0x00000069
> *** Phase 1 i/o init failed.
> (hang)
> 
> I seems to me like os/2 and it's bootloader is not my problem.  Is it my 
> memory or is it really the EISA configuration?  Since dos and os/2 work 
> correctly,  I would think the EISA configuration sould work under NT.
> 
> I know this is a bit of a kludge but could someone point out any invalid 
> assumptions i have made?
> 
> Joel
> 
I get the same EISA memory configuration error when I bring up NT.  It doesn't
cause me any problems.  I have 12 meg of memory, though.  Is your swap file
at least 20 meg in size?  That was documented as requirement for NT to come
up.

Vince
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: doc@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey Smith)
Subject: Re: Compatibility with IBM hardware
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:11:51 GMT

debeaupr@napier.uwaterloo.ca (David Beaupre) writes:

>Can anyone tell me if NT is compatible with all or most of
>the true IBM hardware.  I would assume so, but after the disputes
>between MS and IBM, you never know.

>Anyway, I am specifically interested in the IBM PS/2 external
>CD/ROM ( the model number escapes me now ).  And the sytem is
>a PS/2 Model P75 (486/33mhz) with a SCSI hard drive.

According to the hardware compatibility list that came with the
prelimiary release the PS/2 Model P75 is listed as for the IBM CD-ROM
it is not but more than likely if its a SCSI then it will work. 
>Also, does the latest release of NT support XGA and/or 8514/A??

Also on the list IBM XGA at 1024x768x256.

>Thanks.
>Dave

L8er,
Jeff 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joiner@cs.umn.edu (Jay Joiner)
Subject: Re: Windows NT and SoundBlaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:51:20 GMT

In <RFowler.294@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> RFowler@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert A. Fowler) writes:

>HU? The SoundBlaster Pro uses a proprietry controler-to-CD interface, but 
>form the software(CPU)-to-controler it adhears to the MSCDEX requirements(?) 
>and comes with a version of MSCDEX that lets it work with dos/Windows 3.x.

If you can read the NT CD-ROM from DOS, you can install NT using the 
DOS2NT batch method.  This is what I had to do, and it worked just as 
adverstised in the installation manual.  It automatically sets up for
Flexboot between DOS and NT and creates two directory trees, WINNT and
MSTOOLS, that contain NT and the SDK respectively.  

Jay Joiner
Univ of MN
From: moncrg@iear.arts.rpi.edu (gregory d moncreaff)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: win nt hardware -> cd-rom -> nec cdr-84
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:07:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.afzxr+a
Organization: the committee for asethetic deletions

i know that the nec cdr-73 is the only nec cd-rom 
model listed in the hardware compatability list...

my question is has anyone tried to use the newer
cdr-74 (external) or cdr-84 (internal) nec cd-rom
models? were they accessible under win nt? any
problems, observations?

thanks 
g
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From: jim@applix.com (Jim Morton [ext 237])
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for NT
Summary: try via control panel
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:26:43 GMT
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

> Has anyone tried to get TCP/IP working?  According to the
> Release Notes, page 21, "Instructions for TCP/IP and
> utilities", there is a bunch of stuff "If you installed using
> the graphical setup program".  But we don't have a SCSI CD
> ROM, so used the dos2nt install procedure.
> 
> My card is a Western Digital 8013, which is on the "approved
> list".  I edited the tcpip.ini file, and ran regini against it

two things I had to do: run the networks configuration dialog from
the control panel, and play with the "configure" and "install"
options until you get the IP address and netmask stuff set right.
then, I hadn't RTFM so I used the 3Com503 default of IRQ3, which
the FM said not to do 'cause of COM2:, so I changed it to IRQ5 and
have been FTP'ing and TELNETing ever since!

--
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From: jim@applix.com (Jim Morton [ext 237])
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Still no VI for NT!
Summary: VI is not archaic!
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:41:55 GMT
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

> I DO find it amusing that we are all
> getting excited about a new OS that touts graphical interfaces, windows,
> and mouse support, while some people still prefer editors that were 
> created specifically for a character-based interface with no windows,
> mouse, or even support for the keyboards we are all using.

why so amusing? people who can make a key-based interface fly, like
in VI or 1-2-3, don't want to waste time futzing around with the mouse.
I love GUI based products for most things, but for massive editing of
existing text files (not documents, just source code files) I prefer
to fly with VI. *Good* GUI based products have well-thought out key
accelerators for exactly this reason...why ya think they call 'em
accelerators?!

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: RFowler@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert A. Fowler)
Subject: Re: Windows NT and SoundBlaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:51:47 GMT

In article <344@asylum.UUCP> romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey) writes:

>lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley) writes that the NT SDK doesn't detect
>the Soundblaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM interface and asks if Microsoft will
>fix this in the near future.

>It's not Microsoft's problem (really). The SoundBlaster Pro doesn't have
>a *SCSI* CD-ROM interface. It's got a proprietary one supported by only a
>few CD-ROM drives, and most assuredly is *not* SCSI.

HU? The SoundBlaster Pro uses a proprietry controler-to-CD interface, but 
form the software(CPU)-to-controler it adhears to the MSCDEX requirements(?) 
and comes with a version of MSCDEX that lets it work with dos/Windows 3.x.

The real question is when will Microsoft make NT suport for MSCDEX 
drives/provide those "not needed at this time, maybe later" NT driver SDKs 
so Creative Labs can write an NT/MSCDEX driver?



I also have SoundBlaster Pros w/CD drives (2, one at home, and one at work).
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From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: flexboot problem and solution
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy )
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:19:14 GMT


I recently had an experience that forced me to learn the hard way and I 
thought that I would share with others hopefully so they won't waste as 
much time as I did.

I had installed NT successfully (I think!) but then got a new hard disk so I 
did a tape backup.  When I restored to the new disk, the flex boot thing 
didn't operate, so I could only boot DOS.  The problem, apparently, is that 
the boot sector doesn't get restored by the tape software in the same place.

It's a relatively simple matter to get the boot sector back in the right 
place, but the files you'll need are on the NT CD, not on your hard disk.  I 
suggest that you put them in a FAT partition NOW so that you can get things 
fixed quickly after a disk crash.  Even if you can reinstall NT quickly, the 
configuration can be very time consuming.

On the NT CD, go to the directory \dos2nt\install.  You will need the 
following files:

saveboot.sec
ntboot.sec
insert.sec
debug.exe

Create a batch file that contains the following:

ren bootsec.dos btsecdos.bak
debug < saveboot.sec
debug ntboot.sec < insert.sec


Run this at the root of your C: drive.

This is similar to what "NT2DOS.BAT" does, but obviously we want to skip 
copying all those files.

This worked for me and saved the time and trouble of having to reinstall all 
of NT again.  Keep in mind that this is designed to work ONLY where the files 
are all there, but the boot sector is misplaced.

I guess the good folks at MicroSoft forgot about people's disks crashing and 
didn't think to provide this batch file.

Rion Cassidy
From: doug@syssoft.com (Doug Salot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for NT
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: doug@syssoft.com (Doug Salot)
Organization: Systems & Software, Inc., Irvine, CA

>Has anyone tried to get TCP/IP working?

It's been about a month since I've done it, so I can't recall the
steps involved, but I can tell you it does work and that it wasn't
the most straight-forward procedure to make it happen (time to start
keeping a log).

I was able to get ping, ftp, telnet (out only), and rexec working, but
not rsh and no inbound telnet.  Does anyone know if it's possible
to get inbound telnet access?  Along the sort of the same lines, is
there something like a getty/login available for remote access
via a serial line? 
-- 
Doug Salot || doug@syssoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: How do I become NT beta tester?
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:16:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: NT, betatester, Holland

In article <geert.712426807@galaxy> geert@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Geert van Kempen) writes:
>As I live in Holland, I would like to know if it
>possible for me to become NT betatester?
>If so, how?

We do not call what we have made available today a "beta". It is not
intended to be so. We have released the "Preliminary Win32 SDK for
Windows NT" publically available. In the US this can be orderred by
calling 800-227-4679, and abroad it can be orderred through your local
Microsoft subsiduary - this program is open to anyone

>I like to port my freeware Windows 3.1 to Windows NT.

And when you've done so, please let pd-tools@microsoft.com know - we're
trying to catalog and make easily available the shareware & public
domain tools ported and developpped for Windows NT

Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: ring@kira.msu.edu ()
Subject: Performance problems with 12MB of Ram
Originator: ring@kira.egr.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:42:02 GMT

Hi!

I tried to compile some examples out of the samples directory of the
Windows NT SDK. The problem is, that the compile and link cycle is 
awfully slow because my machine seems to swap a lot. When I decide to
activate another task while the compiler is running the system gets so slow
that even the mouse pointer does not get updated properly. The only way out
is to reboot the computer or wait approx. 5 Minutes till the system stabilizes
again.
I have a 486 - 33 and 12MB of Ram. My question:

How are your experiences in compiling with 12MB ??
What changes when you update to 16MB RAM ??

Michael

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Full installation Reqs of NT
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article debeaupr@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Beaupre) writes:
| Also is the compiler both C/C++ compliant?

The compiler is both C and C++.
The graphical debugger WinDbg did not include a C++ interpreter
   in the PDC release, look for it in a future release.
I do not know the satus of MFC on NT.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Performance problems with 12MB of Ram
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:30:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article ring@kira.msu.edu () writes:
| I have a 486 - 33 and 12MB of Ram. My question:
| 
| How are your experiences in compiling with 12MB ??
| What changes when you update to 16MB RAM ??
| 
| Michael

My *personal* experience is I don't notice any problems on
a 486 - 33 ISA with 16MB of Ram.  I often compile with
the source on a network drive, too.

Just my $.02


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: NTFS features - Drive Names?
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:11:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: comp

In article <Brquy8.JpH@acsu.buffalo.edu> jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen) writes:
>Does this new system get rid of those nasty drive letters.  IE, being
>able to use label names of drives like sys: and Engineering: rather
>than to have to map them to Z: and Y:.  

This first version of Windows NT does not remove the A: -> Z: limit,
though it does add long unicode file names. The drive mapping will
change significantly with the Windows Cairo release (while of
course a: -> z: still remain options). Windows cairo is not an
imminent release, so don't wait for it! -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: fche@db.toronto.edu ("Frank Ch. Eigler")
Subject: Re: Microsoft Systems Journal on NT
Reply-To: fche@db.toronto.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:17:42 GMT

dsantos@hprnd.rose.hp.com (David Santos) writes:

>The issue was July/August 1992, Vol. 7 No. 4.  All-in-all there were
>pretty good articles.


I agree, quite informative.

There was a quite disgusting detail in the article about memory management -
there the VM port to the R4000 chip.  It appears that MS has decided to
make the very powerful R4000 fit into the mold of the 386 by just about
ignoring the R4000's native VM support (which is less complex than that
of the 386, but is just as capable) and emulating _in_software_ the
multilevel page table system that the 386 uses.  Presumably this was done
in order to lift a lot more code from the 386 VM code than otherwise,
that is, to shorten development overall time.

I wonder what kind of a performance hit this causes.  Is it worth releasing
NT for the R4000 if it has inferior VM compared to other existing operating
systems (UNIX, for example).
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