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From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: League Update
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:21:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Not so many participants this weekend, due to a delayed update last
week. Apologies to those who missed out. Anyway the scores were as
follows,

Keith Franklin      6  (5,1)
Douglas Howat       6  (5,1)
Henry tmmj          6  (6,0)
Stephen Gilmour     5  (5,0)
James Shaw          5  (5,0)
The PARanoid        4  (3,1)
Elliot Worth        4  (4,0)
Graeme Cruickshank  4  (4,0)
Dave Smith          4  (4,0)
Gerry Stewart       2  (2,0)

  And in the updated league, James Shaw consolidates his lead thanks to
Tracy's "off" day but Keith Franklin moves up a place.

                        Pts     Bon      Tot      Poss
1. James Shaw            72      15       87       248
2. Tracy Haldane         62      17       79       234
3. Henry tmmj            65      10       75       250
4. Keith Franklin        53      13       66       220
5. Gerry Stewart         55      11       66       234
6. The PARanoid          49       8       57       234
7. Graeme Cruickshank    43      11       54       220
8. Dave Smith            42       6       48       188
9. Stephen Gilmour       27       6       33        94
10. Arabiab Bairn        25       6       31        94
11.Douglas Howat         23       2       25        94
12.Elliot Worth          17       2       19        62
13.Dave McCann            8       2       10        32
14.Andy Lipscomb          8       1        9        30
15.Dave Neilson           4       0        4        12
16.David Mousley          1       0        1        16

    Very little notice for this week's games, 4 of them have been
brought forward thanks to the fact that next week, Roxburgh's Rejects
receive a thorough doin' from Saachi's Strollers. Well I hope Italy win
anyway !
    Anyway, I'm afraid this is may be too late for some of our
international contributors.

    Tuesday 10th November
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Partick Thistle v Hearts

    Wednesday 11th November
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Aberdeen v Motherwell
    Dundee United v Celtic
    Rangers v Dundee

    Saturday 14th November
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Airdrie v St Johnstone
    Hibernian v Falkirk

    Meadowbank v Cowdenbeath
    Arbroath v Clyde

              Gerry Stewart
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Old Firm Fans
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:16:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1992Nov9.132939.1154@dct.ac.uk> mcscs1gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
>In article <92311.131338SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>, SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
>> Can any of you kind lads tell me if the Old Firm game is broadcasted on any
>> short wave radio station?
>> thanks in advance..Steve Hughes
>> P.S Any team news?
>
>Try the BBC World Service.


Try the following frequencies (MHz):

Mornings (EST) 9.51

Afternoons (EST) 15.07
                 15.40 (African Service - loud and clear in the NE area)

Evenings  (EST)  5.95
                 6.17


--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Best Man Utd Manager ?
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 23:56:21 RSA

Besides Sir Matt Busby, who was in a class of his own, who do fellow
United fans out there think was/is the best manager that United had.
The managers I have in mind are:
 
Tommy Docherty (FA Cup Runners up, FA Cup Winners - how can we ever forget)
Dave Sexton    (FA Cup Runners up)
Ron Atkinsson  (League Cup Runners Up, 2 FA Cup Winners)
Alex Fergusson (League Cup Runners Up, League Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners,
                Cup Winners Cup Winners, Super Cup Winners)
From: csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness - in defence of a former Kop favourite
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:57:59 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <vghinds.721318065@unix1.tcd.ie> vghinds@unix1.tcd.ie (valerian gareth hinds) writes:
>Why does everyone hate Graeme Souness. OK, so he has a very odd
>moustache and he's Scottish, but why the hysteria? He's done a great
>job, is loved by players, fans, board and girlfriend alike, and only
>made a few tiny tiny mistakes, such as...em....selling Steve Staunton,
>buying Paul Stewart for 2.3 million, blabbing to the Sun, selling Dean
>Saunders, buying Istvan Kozma (who?), selling Ray Houghton, selling
>Steve McMahon, pretending T. Piechnik was worth half a million, and over
>training his players. In 2 years he has reduced Liverpool from riches to
>rags, but it's not his fault. Blame John Major - everybody else does...

Cause he's crap!
>
>P.S. Isn't it a coincidence that Liverpool's demise has occurred at the
>same time as a world recession? 
Nope....Liverpool have always been crap!
Sod Off Denise.

Dibble


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From: SALNIMR%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sports.soccer.referee
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:17:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  I want Yes/Create.

-- Samer Al-Nimr at Knox College
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Liverpool out of Europe
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:58:16 RSA

Liverpool 0 Spartak Moscow 2   -- Cup Winners' Cup 2nd round, 2nd leg.
 
Graeme Souness is sure messing up Liverpool's record in Europe.
Shame that the 'BELOVED' still lives on. Seems like the Liverpool
board are not fussy as to who they employ anymore.
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From: ccx020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James Nash)
Subject: Re: Recent Man Utd results
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:50:00 GMT

In article <2407@grivel.une.edu.au> nschwarz@neumann.une.edu.au (Norman Schwarz) writes:
>Reason 3: Lee Sharpe has been sidelined for months due to persistent bad luck.

Pot luck more like it. :->

Jim.
From: k.williams@fs4.mbs.ac.uk (Keith Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:04:39 GMT
Organization: Manchester Business School

In article <56807@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo) writes:
>From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
>Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
>Date: 5 Nov 92 18:45:56 GMT

>Let's hope all this shit about Liverpool ends now ...
>Thanks Spartak. BTW, if all the Liverpool fans are like Denise (or worse),
>no wonder why they have been banned from Europe after Heysel ...

Your comments are symptomatic of the kind of small minded bigoted 
individuals who associate a small number of troublemakers with the totality 
of the followers of Liverpool Football Club.

Your remarks invoke connotations of both Hillsboro and Heysel and 
feelings run high when either are mentioned. 

Where you to travel to most other grounds in the UK.- you would find the 
atmosphere far more hostile, fights far more common, verbal abuse far more 
prevalent and fear - a reality.

As somebody who lost a friend in the Hillsboro disaster, and having 
witnessed the tremendous sense of community spirit and consideration which 
ensued might I suggest that you confine your remarks to topics upon which 
you have both knowledge and sensitivity.

As for Liverpool's exit there can be no question on this occasion that it 
was deserved, they simply did not play well enough.

However had the referee in that instance applied the same standards to his 
decision making throughout - perhaps Mike Marsh would have remained on the 
field or three Sparta players would have joined him for the early bath. Such 
inconsistency should not be tolerated by UEFA.
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:22:13 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

>Nope - Rangers, current Scottish Champions, beat Leeds, current English 
>champions in what the English Tablioid press hyped up a 'The Battle of Britain"
>predicting that Leeds would steam roller Rangers at Elland Road thus proving
>the superiority of the English Premier league, something a number of English
>supporters here on Usenet went along with.
>They were dead wrong, thus he is quite entitled to throw the claims back in
>their faces.
>
>Dave
>-- 

All of us have been watching football for long enough that you can't draw any
conclusions from a small number of matches. I am neither a Leeds fan or a Glasgow
Rangers fan, but it is quite obvious that just because Ranger's beat Leeds we can't
deduce that Scottish teams are the best.

There are a number of arguments;

1) Leeds we're off form

2) Ranger's we're in form

3) Pot Luck - everbody knows you need some luck in cup competitions.

4) Look at Englands progress in European and World Cup competitions. It is better
    than Scotland's certainly, but this doesn't prove anything, as the same
    arguments apply.

5) Lot's of Ranger's players are English.

6) Lot's of Leed's players are Scottish.

Anybody who believe's that a cup round can decide whether Scottish teams are better
than English one's either writes for a silly newspaper, or has no intelligence.

Take the following scores;

Leeds 0 - 1 Rangers
Rangers 0 - 1 Man Utd
Man Utd 0 - 1 Leeds

Now what? - Who is the best team ????????

The best way would be to have a league with both Scottish and English clubs in it,
and see what happens over a season. It thing's were as predictable as people are
making out, winning the pools would be easy.

Some people take what the papers say to seriously.
In the mean time, well done Ranger's now go and win the cup !!!!!

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ESPN to show A-10 Tourny Final
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:03:09 GMT
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


ESPN will show the Atlantic 10 final game today between West Virginia and 
UMASS at 1:00pm.

Andy B
From: root@skorpion.lt.su (root)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Russia Ch.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 13:51:43 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: SKORPIONAS Ltd
Reply-To: root@skorpion.lt.su

Russian Ch.

Dinamo M.  - Spartak M.    5-2
Spartak V. - Asmaral       3-0
CSKA       - Lok N. N.     0-2
Lok M.     - Rostselmas    1-0

 1 Spartak Moscow             13  9  4  0  31- 12   19  22
 2 Spartak Vladikavkaz        13  7  3  3  26- 15   11  17
 3 Dinamo Moscow              13  5  4  4  23- 20    3  14
 4 Lok Moscow                 13  4  5  4  11- 14   -3  13
 5 CSKA Moscow                13  4  4  5  24- 19    5  12
 6 Lok Nizhny Novgorod        13  2  7  4   9- 15   -6  11
 7 Asmaral Moscow             13  3  3  7  16- 33  -17   9
 8 Rostselmas Rostov/Don      13  1  4  8   3- 15  -12   6

--

Zenit      - Uralmas       1-0
Kr.Sovetov - Dinamo T.     4-0
Torpedo    - Fakel         2-1
Shinnik    - Dinamo St.    0-0
Rotor      - Tekstilscik   2-1
Okean      - Kuban          -

 9 Tekstilscik Kamyshin       21 12  3  6  23- 13   10  27
10 Rotor Volgograd            21 11  4  6  34- 20   14  26
11 Torpedo Moscow             21 11  4  6  25- 16    9  26
12 Uralmas Ekaterinburg       20 10  6  4  32- 20   12  26
13 Kr. Sovetov Samara         21  9  7  5  22- 15    7  25
14 Zenit St. Peterburg        21  9  5  7  30- 25    5  23
15 Dinamo Stavropol           21  9  4  8  24- 23    1  22
16 Okean Nahodka              20  9  4  7  22- 23   -1  22
17 Fakel Voronezh             21  8  4  9  16- 17   -1  20
18 Kuban Krasnodar            19  5  5  9  16- 24   -8  15
19 Shinnik Jaroslavl          21  3  5 13  17- 31  -14  11
20 Dinamo Tiumen              21  3  1 17  15- 47  -32   7

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From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic & Bulbs!
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:24:40 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <Bx9oD8.EIv@eis.calstate.edu>, sgilmou@eis.calstate.edu (Stephen Gilmour) writes:
> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>> From the Daily Record, 5/11/92:
>> 
>> "FOR IT'S A SECOND-HAND OLD TEAM TO PLAY FOR"
>> 
>> "Second-hand Celtic are set to light up their on the cheap. For the cash
>> strapped club want to buy the old floodlight bulbs from Hampden Park. The
>> light pylons are being demolished as part of the national stadium's massive
>> facelift. And the bulbs, which cost $150 a time when new, were also set to be
>> smashed until the Parkhead club asked about them. The Celts have a
>> multi-million pound overdraft, and face a big compensation payout to former
>> chief executive Terry Cassidy. And Tuesday's defeat by Borussia Dortmund
>> means no more money-spinning European ties this season."
>> 
>> It could only be Celtic!
>> 
> 
> Let us not jump Celtic's back for this gesture.  They are clearly
> concerned about the environment and want to do their little bit by way of
> recycling.  It wouldn't make sense them buying new bulbs due to their
> imminent relocation to a multi-million pound super stadium.
> 
> Stephen Gilmour - Welcome to Ibrox
>  
I suppose thats' true coming from a team of second hand rejects!!!
Who will be the next United player at Ibrox? Ray McKinnon?, Ferguson, Connolly?
Gallacher? Who needs them for there is only one Badger McKinlay!!!
From: reidkb@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Kenneth B Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds==Rangers score
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:30:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland

In article <1992Nov6.143501.1123@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> Arise Sir Walter of Govan !!!!
>This guy is a complete arse!, He will never be welcome back at
>Tannadice!!! When Souness was manager and left did you notice Rangers style
>change? No? Well then I rest my case!!!!\

As came to light when souness left, the reason for this is that Walter was
running the team WHILE souness was still there. This left Souness free for the
really important stuff- signing players, annoying the media and fighting the
S.F.A.

Kenny Reid
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Olympic Soccer (was Re: English News: Norway, FA Cup dra
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:41:26 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <Bx9G2s.DA8@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com writes:

> In article <FISCHER.92Nov3012754@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
> >
> >Garry> While I agree with this to a certain extent, I would argue that
> >Garry> the Women's World Cup could similarly decide the matter of who
> >Garry> are the Women's football champions.
> >
> >Why? There is a World Cup already. In handball, there is the Olympics
> >and the world cup as seperate event, for both women and men. Likewise
> >for the 100 m dash. 
> 
> My argument is based on why do we need Olympic (World) Champions and
> World Cup Champions if they are played by the same set of players
> (this isn't exactly the case yet, but its evolving that way)?  In this 
> scenario we may as well say the World Championship is played every two 
> years instead of every four years... but who are the true World Champions, 
> the Olympic team or the World Cup team?  I just want an "amateur"
> champion and a "professional" champion (although the distinction for
> some teams is a little grey, as you point out below).
> 

It does not have to be that way. If only eight teams were allowed to
participate in the Olympic soccer tournament, the World Cup's status as the
game's biggest event would remain unchanged. For example, we could bring in the
winners and runners-up of the European Championship, the CONCACAF Gold Cup
champions, the Copa Americana winners, the Asian Cup winners, the African Cup
champions and let Australia/New Zealand play the African #2 team for the last
place. The hosts would qualify automatically as before. In Barcelona, the
list would have looked like this:

-Spain
-Denmark
-Germany
-Argentina
-United States
-Saudi Arabia
-Ivory Coast
-Ghana/Australia/New Zealand(/Fiji/Vanuatu(sp)...)

This is, to all intents and purposes, the Intercontinental Cup - won by
Argentina this year. If FIFA feel they can allow to have the IC, why not
allow the game's best players to participate in the Olympics?! 
 
> -- 
> Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
> 3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.
> 
> "An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert

MARCU$
From: ahmadt@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Tariq N Ahmad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool Problems
Keywords: Barnes
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:25:15 GMT


Hi Y'All,

To me it seems that all Liverpool's current problems stem from the fact that
a certain John Barnes is unfit. I believe that if Barnes gets back to anywhere
near 100% fitness he will transform Liverpool's fortunes. It's probably too
late to salvage the League Championship but if Souness uses Barnes' talents
wisely, by only playing him in the important Cup games, perhaps Liverpool will
end the season with a trophy or two.
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From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Subject: Re: Soccer in USA 94
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:00:09 GMT

In article <BxM7y4.2qy@hsi.com>, mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
|> In article <BxKuyF.F81@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
|> >For some time now, the WCup organisers in the US have been whining about
|> >field and goal sizes, offside rules, turf vs grass.  This patently american,
|> >"well, we're the USA so we'll do it our way" attitude has become so
|> >intolerable, that FIFA is seriously considering pulling the tournament out
|> >and moving it elsewhere - where the sport of football comes first,
|> >hopefully.  Rumour has it (and how's this for p.r.?) that the new ,
|> >unified Germany will be best able to prepare on short notice.  I'm only
|> >disappointed because I would go, were the games in the US.  Way to go, yanks.
|> 
|> So, is there any documentation of this in the press?  Has anyone else heard
|> about this?  Personally, I doubt it.  These rumors floated around once
|> before, and disappeared as quickly as they came. I haven't heard the WC
|> organizers in the US whining about these issues, but certainly the owners
|> of the stadiums that would need to change to conform to those issues would
|> be unhappy.
|> 
|> The issues you raise as ones the US wants to change will not be changed
|> by FIFA unless the folks of the governing body want them changed.  No US 
|> citizens are on that board.
|> 
|> I hope when you come to WC 94 in the US, that you have a good time.
|> 
|> Dan


I think these rumours came into being just after USA got the WC 94, at least here in Norway.  They were probably a result of thinking that the usual commercial breaks would be applied to the matches as well.

Personally I think this championship will be as well organized as all the previous ones, and I hope to be able to be there when Norway EVENTUALLY wins its qualifying group.


sandis
From: bob@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Request for Irish League results
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:25:26 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

occasionally by Gary Spain at Galway and another chap at Newcastle upon Tyne
but I have not seen any for quite some time.  If someone would pick this up
again I would appreciate it.  From a Belfast expatriate, many thanks in
anticapation

Bob AlexanderIrish league results used to be posted bIrish L
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey)
Subject: Rangers next ppp opponent
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:17:32 GMT


   Who is the rangers next opponent ??

   And when is the first game ??
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:05:33 GMT

halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen) writes:

>|> :     Next match in group six are France versus Finland at Parc des Princes
>|> :     on Saturday (I hope Eurosport will show it) for the people who can't
>|> 
>|> It will be on Eurosport. Looking forward for that game.
>
>REALLY ? ;-)

Looks like our Norwegian friends are getting a little bit too cocky after
a couple of lucky results. Nevertheless, it won't change the fact that
Norwegian football is as much crap as Finnish football. 

Janne Kivela" 

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Souness - in defence of a former Kop favourite
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:31:29 GMT

csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble) writes:

>Nope....Liverpool have always been crap!

To write such a thing one must have been born yesterday or being
totally unaware of English football.

-- 
Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
               The Manchester United of 2015?