From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Quebec
Distribution: can.politics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:01 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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From article <1992Nov16.145011.4338@cerberus.ulaval.ca>, by duquet@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Jean-Remi Duquet):
> In article <1992Nov8.103905.6682@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>From article <1992Nov5.132132.7992@cerberus.ulaval.ca>,
>>by beaucham@astro.phy.ulaval.ca
>>Dominique Beauchamp writes:-
>>
>>> Je ne connais pas beaucoup d'anglophones qui ont eu de la difficulte a se
>>> faire "servir" en anglais au Quebec.
>>
>>Je connais "beaucoup d'anglophones qui ont eu de la difficulte" a faire
>>eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue au Quebec.
>>
> Connais-tu seulement quelques francophones hors Quebec qui ont facilement
> fait eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue hors-Quebec?
> 

More than 99% of french speaking children throughout Canada are receiving
their education in French (mostly in Quebec and Manitoba).

The situation could be improved, of course.

The fact that some french-speaking communities in certain parts of Canada
can not send their children to french schools (those schools not being
available for whatever reason) is not a justification for denying english
children access to underpopulated english schools (actually functioning)
in their own neighbourhoods.

The Quebec government's own (Greta Chambers') Task Force calls for allowing
access to english schools for ALL english children to try to slow down the
alarming rate of closures of english schools in the province.

To respond to your specific question, repeated here :-

> Connais-tu seulement quelques francophones hors Quebec qui ont facilement
> fait eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue hors-Quebec?

No, not personally, I don't.

I don't know many anglophone, francophone or any-other-phone families outside
of Quebec, in Canada.

That doesn't mean they are not there!

The Quebec government has worked to deny them access to their own schools
too!

> Et pour repondre a ton argument, je connais plusieurs francophones qui ont 
> fait quelques annees a l'ecole anglaise, meme a Quebec.

So?

That door isn't open to french families in Quebec any more!

Many english families put their children through French schools by choice.

What's your point?

>>> 
>>> A moins que de vouloir proteger sa langue et sa culture soit raciste...
>>>  Pourrait-on m'eclairer la-dessus? s.v.p.
>>> 
>>
>>"de vouloir proteger sa langue et sa culture" ne soit pas du tout raciste.
>>
>>De nier le droit de faire eduquer ses enfants dans l'ecole publique de
>>son choix est un violation des droits et libertes humaines.
>>
>>De forcer des familles a envoyer leurs enfants aux ecoles francaises quand
>>il y a des ecoles anglaises publique disponibles est raciste.
>>
> 
> Au moins, il y a des ecoles anglaises publiques disponibles...

But they are dissappearing fast! ...

... and without the schools to support it the community dissappears with it!

Is that what you want?  :-(

> De plus, sans vouloir te vexer, je ne vois pas en quoi ca peut etre raciste.
> Primo, nous sommes de la meme "race" (a supposer que ce mot ait un sens).

I agree that "race" is a difficult, if not impossible term to define.

The dictionary, however, in the context of this discussion, provides for the
word to be used to identify rules, or laws that are racially discriminatory
in nature or intent.

So, denying access to anyone whose parents did not receive their education in
English, in Canada, is denying access from anyone who is not identified as
a member of the group of people whose parents are identified as having
received their education in English in Canada. It is a racially
discriminatory law!

Look up the words for yourself. It is not difficult to understand, really.

> Deux, ce reglement s'applique normalement UNIQUEMENT aux familles dont les
> parents ne sont pas anglophones.

WRONG!

It applies to EVERYONE who did not receive their education in English in
Canada, or who received their education elsewhere but landed here after
26th august, 1977.

("normelament UNIQUEMENT" is almost a contradiction of terms. :-? )

> Alors ce n'est certainement pas du "racisme"
> envers les anglophones du Quebec.
> 

It IS if there are anglophones in Quebec who are affected by it - and
there are about 12,000 english children affected by it!

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