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From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Planning babies
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:11:21 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:47:17 GMT

In article <9301042032.AA28372@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> ,
statar@ihlpb.att.com writes:
>I'd like some views from you misc.kidders on
>when to have another baby.  I have two daughters,
>born 4/26/90 and 5/22/92.  We would like to have
>our third child be at least 2 years but no more than
>3 years younger than Kathy.  We have both always
>liked spring birthdays best, but this summer we
>were somewhat trapped inside by having a baby too
>young to go out much, she couldn't open her eyes
>outside when it was sunny and bright!  So now we
>are considering a fall baby so that the baby will
>be old enough to take out and go in the pool in
>the summertime.  I'm thinking of Feb. or March of 95,
>my husband thinks we should go for Sept. or later
>of 94.  Both of our children were planned for March,
>April or May (Kathy barely made it!).  We plan to
>have one or two more children, right now I'm just
>trying to decide when the next one should be.
>How important are these considerations, and what
>other things should I add to the list?  

We planned to get pregnant in January of 1991 and did, right on schedual.
 How perfect, right?  What we didn't plan on was having twins!  Just to
show you how you can plan, plan, plan, but you really never have that
much control of things!

We too are thinking about when to get pregnant again.  It's a hard call--
we don't want the children to be too far apart in age, but if we have
twins again (we're more likely), it might be nice to have Gennie and Leo
fully potty trained first.  

--Theresa Jarosz Alberti
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:15:37 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1993Jan5.170744.5907@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
> 
>   I'm about 28-weeks pregnant and have unexplained contractions
>   that don't hurt whenever I walk around, stand-up from sitting,
>   pick up my son, etc.  I wonder if they're Braxton-Hicks
>   or something worse.  I've quit the fitness center since there
>   is no purpose in running on the treadmill if I can't even
>   walk down the hall without tightening.  I didn't get this
>   in my last pregnancy, so I'm wondering if it is normal
>   and that other people also have frequent painless tightening
>   (or contractions) at this stage.  Thanks!

Usually it's normal, sometimes it's painless preterm labor, and
there's no way to tell, short of getting monitored. I've read
articles saying that knowing about the harmlessness of Braxton-Hicks
contractions has reassured women who were actually in preterm labor and
would have been much better off not being reassured. So ask your doctor
or midwife! 

Don't worry, because it's extremely likely to be normal, but also make 
sure that there's nothing to worry about.

I went to be monitored when I was 28 weeks along and having stomach cramps
from some illness. It was so nice to find out that everything was okay,
and not much trouble at all--just an hour in L&D at the hospital, getting 
familiar with the place. My doctor was not about to reassure me without
knowing for sure that it was okay--she's delivered too many preemies.

One woman I knew assured me that I'd *know* if I was in labor. Idiot. 
That's true in most cases, but pre-term labor can be painless, and
you want to be sure about that sort of thing before it's too late.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mommy's shadow, (was Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives)
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:58:42 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <8JAN199312252557@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov>, goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
> Well, no ideas, I too have a shadow. The only thing that has
> worked for us was for  the child to grow older. It certainly
> can get annoying to have to wait for my son to descend the stairs
> to the basement when all I am going to do is start a wash that
> had been soaking, then turn around and go right back upstairs.
> Sigh. I guess in a few years I'll be nostalgic about these days. 8-)


Ah yes...our little helper.  On weekends when daddy is out working in the
backyard and I'm cleaning the house, the routine is like this:

My son is outside "helping" dad.   I hear the door bang, and that eager little
voice say "hey, what can I do to help, mommy?"  I *say* cheerfully, "oh great,
you're here to help me!"  I *think* "oh god, he's here to help me".  Then [thank
the lord for short attention spans], in a few minutes I can usually tell him
that I think daddy is waiting for some help outside.

Come to think of it, I bet daddy is telling the same thing about mommy...:) :)


Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:18:31 GMT

In <1992Dec31.160227.24191@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> ajaym@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (alton.jay.mitchell) writes:

>>>
>>>	"HUMAN RIGHTS"? What does that have to do with it?
>> 
>> What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
>> answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
>> like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
>> decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
>> about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
>> adult would result in legal action against those involved.

>I don't see why a parent making a decision to circumsize their child
>is any different than a parent making a decision to remove their
>child's tonsils (assuming no existing infecction).  The point is,
>until a child is old enough (adult?) to make these decisions for
>themselves, the parents are responsible for making them AS THEY SEE
>FIT as long as the child's life is not endangered.  Neither a

 

The distinction is that no reputable physician in 1993 would suggest
much less perform a tonsillectomy at a parent's request.
Most if not all insurance companies would fail to cover such a procedure
and if this doctor did these (many of them routinely) he would be
subject to investigation by his state's medical practice board.

Decisions for kids made by parents are fine as long as they are in
the child's best interest,but there is only very shacky evidence that
such a decision for anything other than a manifest medical problem is.


American parents circumcise primarily because they believe everyone else
is. (This idea in 1993 is no longer correct)
They want the baby to look like Daddy.           
The question here is should a baby also have his appendix removed
if Daddy has? Or is the circumcision just being done to defend
Pappa's ego?
Other parents are confused by the "red herring" hygiene and UTI
issues. If you actually read the risks os UTI and keep them in
perspective they are actaully less than the risk the baby had of being
still born.
The hygiene issues are much over rated and care is actually easy and
trivial.

Now what other reasons are there for circumcision? None that I know of
which have even the sligtest merit. Therefore why are some hospitals
still circumcisiing 90% of male newborns and why are many insurance
companies still reimbursing for new born elective circumcision?
Its Crazy!


--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Re: water breaking
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:21:02 GMT

In article <1833@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
psybc806@emory.edu (Elise G. Jacobs) writes:
 
>
>
>I am absolutely convinced that I won't know when my water breaks.  Between
>my leaking bladder (especially when I cough) and swimming, I can't imagine
>how I will distinguish anything.  Anyone else with this fear?
>
>Elise
>
>
I had that fear - until it happened.  I hate to say it, but you'll
know.  I had the same fear about the "urge to push" - how do I know
when I have it?  I knew immediately - not a doubt in my mind!!!
 
signh
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From: raver@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Linda Raver)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:59:13 GMT
Reply-To: raver@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Linda Raver)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Our son is 18 months.  We followed the same principle as we used when
he had a new baby cousin, allowing him to touch but only in the correct
way; i.e. on the hand or leg of the baby or in the case of the tree
with one finger.  Human instinct drives one to the forbidden, but if
you're allowed to it is no longer that luring.
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:20:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: will babies sleep on their backs?

>Laura Floom writes:
>>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. 

(Hi Laura!)  Every time I hear about this question, I have the same
thought:  how many babies out there will even sleep on their backs?
My first two would _not_ settled down unless they were on their
stomachs, and still won't sleep on their backs.  My third was the
only one who ever slept on his back (and does now), and even he 
slept better initially on his stomach. 

Being asleep on one's back is a vulnerable position; presumably
evolutionary forces would have worked to weed out that preference.

Sue
From: johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl (Johannes Beekhuizen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:23:50

Hello Jan,

On Wednesday January 06 1993, Jan A. Schwarz wrote to All:

 JAS> Well, I'm still not a Grandmother yet but any time now.

Good luck, especially to the expecting one :)

 JAS> What are the thoughts about laying a baby on its stomach or back?

 JAS> Back when mine were born you were always suppose to put them on their
 JAS> stomach to keep them from having a flat head in the back.

 JAS> I'm not sure this is the way it's done now.  Any thoughts on this from
 JAS> all of you out there?

Over here in Holland the rule is now to put them on their side, and change
side every time you take them out of the cradle foor feeding or nappy
changing. And to remember which side should have its turn, you put a cuddle
next to the baby.

Regards,

           Hans.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:43:33 GMT


In article <34345@goofy.apple.COM>, winner@goofy.apple.COM (Stephanie Winner) writes:
> In article <29029@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:
> >In misc.kids, amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
> >>However, I'm sure at SOME age the stimulation of other children
> >>wins out over staying at home with a nanny.  What's that age?
> >
> >My daughter started going to a daycare home with other children when
> >she was about 18 months old.  She's a shy child, but by that age she
> >was thrilled to have the other kids to play with.  So I'd say the age
> >is between 12 to 18 months.  I think that one-on-one care is great for
> >infants.
> >
> I remember reading that girls under 2 seem to benefit from being
> around other kids their age (it was in Working Mother Mag).  Perhaps
> the age where boys benefit from interactions with other kids is
> older.
> 
> In my experience we started our 2 yr old girl in a center a couple
> of months ago and she loves it.  We probably should have sent her
> sooner.  Her younger sister (10 mo) started this week and seems to
> like it too (we didn't intend to start her until 15 mo, but ended 
> up not having a choice).
> 
> Stephanie Winner
> winner@apple.com

We tried a center at 17 months and had nothing but illness in the 
Summer no less so we waited another year and then had the WORST
separation anxiety to the point that after 3 weeks they were putting
her in with the babies because she cried so much she upset the
kids her age.  Again we waited until she was 3 yr 9 mo and then 
it worked like a charm.  All kids are different and you just have 
to do what works for you and for them.

Karen
Date: Thursday, 7 January 1993 22:25:37 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.16R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <gdavis.726346857@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)  wrote:
# 
#  Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
# Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
# in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
# Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.

  [Follows an article without bias, at least by the author's
   standards.  Consistent in tone to the leading and trailing
   paragraphs, so I'll save the bandwidth.]

# These women appear to wish to please their publisher,Joachim Rosier
# rather than truly providing accurate information for parents to
# truly make an informed and thoughtful choice.

  Obviously, they can't have even a shred of truth on their
  side.  After all, they're (as you point out) women, and
  thus have a bias against male genitalia.  Maybe, deep
  down, they want to get even...

  Besides that, they and their publisher have suspiciously
  Jewish-sounding names.  And we all know that the Jews have
  been scheming for thousands of years to repeat the trick
  that Jacob's sons played after Dina's rape.

  WATCH OUT, GUYS!  THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU WITH KNIVES!

  Sounds like you need to get organized to defend yourselves,
  soonest.  Pass some laws making circumcision illegal and
  punishable by castration (or maybe gang-rape if a woman
  does it.)  Have regular pants patrols to check for closet
  circs.  Take the partitions down in mens' washrooms.  It
  may already be too late, you know.  You'd better not have
  any procedures (wisdom teeth?) under general anesthesia,
  or you might wake up without a foreskin.  Better check
  that your surgical team all attend Church regularly, too.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Cute things they do, siblings
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:45:08 GMT

Marie is 3 1/2 yrs and Liana is 7 1/2 mos.

They've developed a game, usually played during dinner :(.  Marie stands
near Liana's high chair with her back to Liana, Liana grabs Marie's hair, Marie turns around
and says, "Who's that pulling on my hair", and then turns around to have
her hair pulled again.  They play this game until I decide it's time to
finish dinner.  I love to see this interaction -- even if does drag out
the dinner hour.

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:30 GMT

	steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or radio) into the labour
>room with them to help them cope/relax, whatever?

Each of the rooms at Boulder Hospital has (in addition to a jacuzzi)
a CD player.  We played Mozart's Jupiter Symphony, some Vivaldi concerti,
and if I remember correctly, Greta was born to Haydn's Symphony in D.

It's hard to quantify the effects of music, but it sure helped in
terms of making an already comfortable room more home-like.  The
delivery nurses even commented on the music.

-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
From: wdn@beach.cis.ufl.edu (William Dean Norris II)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:55:32 GMT
	<NELSON.92Dec20214732@cheetah.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Dec23.035144.26011@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec31.000856.16562@unet.net.com>
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: /cis/thunder0/wdn/.organization
In-reply-to: stank@perrault.unet.com's message of 31 Dec 92 00:08:56 GMT

>>>>> On 31 Dec 92 00:08:56 GMT, stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) said:
stank! Nntp-Posting-Host: perrault

stank! In article <1992Dec23.035144.26011@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>Then, when my mother-in-law found out our decision, she was shocked.
>After all, her three sons had been "cut," her husband was "cut," she
>considered it more hygenic, etc. etc.  She wanted an explanation.

stank! What?? You too??!! I got it from both mom and mom-in-law.

When my wife woke up the day after delivering our son the nurse came
in and started showing her how to take care of the circumcision.  She
hit the ceiling and screamed at them because she thought that they had
performed the procedure, actually the nurse was in the wrong room. :)

Then later that day my mother and grandmother were visiting and my wife
asked for some vasoline because he had chapped lips, the nurse said that
she could use some from the circumcision kit, when my wife replied that
he was not circumcised they hit the ceiling, saying basically the biblical
stuff that has been covered already.  I just glad I wasn't there. :)
They had covered most everything by the time I got there, so they were
out of steam. :)

stank! [Lots of valid reasons NOT to circumcise a boy deleted to save space]

Perhaps I should mention a draw back, just after he turned three, the
doctor had to pull back the foreskin all the way, and this hurt him
quite a bit.  If we would have had warning we could have been working
on it, maybe a little at a time, still after the first 'try' we worked
on it for about a week, then when he pulled it back all of the way it
was fine.

>In the hospital when my first son was born, the doctor said something
>like:  "OK, now I'm ready to do the circumcision."  I said, "My son will
>NOT be circumcised."  He replied, "Look, if it is a question of money,
>I'll do it for free."  I told him, "This is a conscious decision, it has
>nothing to do with money.  My son will not be circumcised."


stank! When we told our doctor that our son would NOT be circumcised all she had to
stank! say was, "Damn good choice!"

Our doctor had no opinion, like most he just wanted to know what insurance
we had.

stank! Stan Knight
stank! |If GOD had intended boys to be circumcised they would be born with scapels|

If GOD had intended boys to be circumcised they would be born without a penis.
:\

--
-----
William Dean Norris II		"Perhaps all pleasure is relief"
University of Florida			William Lee
wdn@cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Booooo, Tyco!
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:21:52 GMT


A poster complained about quality degradations in Magna-Doodle over
the last couple years, since Tyco bought Magna-Doodle from Ideal.

I will no longer buy Magna-Doodle, as we've had TWO for our
older son (now age 7) and neither has lasted more than a few months.
And our son is no worse than an average kid in roughness on
toys and rarely totally destroys anything.  And I think our two
were the Ideal version, based on the poster's comments.

Anyway, the problem is that the screen is very sensitive to
pressure and is easily wrecked if a heavy object rests on it,
it gets stepped on, or something is dropped on it.  Then the erase
slider no longer erases the damaged portion of the screen.
The screen is like a mylar plastic sheet, so it is easily bent --
it's not sturdy hard plastic/acrylic like an Etch-a-Sketch screen.

Magna-Doodle is a pretty fun toy, and nice for car travel, but
at $14 apiece, I can't afford to keep replacing them.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Precocious 7.5 month old (sort-of Cute Things They Say)
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:46 GMT

My husband swears that our precocious  7.5 month old called her cousin
by name, "Cat".  That night, she said "Dad" so clearly in her sleep that
my husband thought I was calling him.

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:57:07 GMT
Keywords: long

In article <1993Jan6.202853.18534@trentu.ca>, xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
> I was beginning to wonder if I was the only parent on the net who doesn't
> leave her child alone in the room with the Xmas tree (ours is up till
> at least today -- Epiphany). We didn't do anything special except move
> breakable ornaments up where they wouldn't be knocked off if she just
> walked too close, but that's because Beth too is never alone while
> awake. She is 3.5 years old, and yes, she's an only child. We have an
> open plan house so we aren't necessarily in the same room, but we can
> see her and she can see us. She sometimes will go downstairs and come
> right back, or go up to her room for something and come back, but she
> does not spend unsupervised time playing in any room of the house, much
> less one that contains something delicate and dangerous like a Xmas
> tree.

Actually, a child could bring down a tree even with a parent there.  I was
at a party of a friend.  I was standing by their tree, talking with
someone.  My friend was standing near by, talking with someone.  Her son
(about 1.5 - 2 years old) went over to the tree.  She followed while
talking to the person she was talking to.  He grabbed the tree, she turned
and grabbed him, the tree started to fall -- the rest of us grabbed the
tree so it wouldn't come down on the both of them!

So, whether the child is supervised or not, Xmas trees are dangerous -- it
only takes a few seconds.  In this case, while the parent was there and was
attempting to carry on a conversation, she was very much so aware of what
her kid was doing at the time and attempted to correct the action.

	Karen
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