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Date: 5 Nov 92 19:26:30 GMT
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Some Bile Infested Idiot billowed forth:
> Scott --  what are you, a FAG.  "if i know my Mcintyre...".  Get off my back
> and stay out of the conversation if it was not directed at you!
>
> As far as a flame,  I think you are the exact explaination of the word!
>
    Ah, the wonders of the ignorant mind.  A place where the use of a
man's dick is his primary source of import.
    If you can't form an intellectual response, why not go for his
sexuality?  Now I haven't made it through my whole mailer yet but I
have a feeling that, if this follows the usual trend of homophobia,
I'll run across a piece of mail with the accused sexual deviant
trying to reaffirm his masculinity and reinforce his and his
fellow's perceived sense of his heterosexuality.  What's the fucking
use?  The only time I can see that a person's sexual preferences are
of any matter is in the case that you might want to engage in such
pleasures with that person.  Therefore I will kindly subtract this
little tirade if either party can assure me that this was merely an
extremely butch way of determining the other's preference for
the above stated purpose.  Otherwise don't show your ignorance or
your backwoods mentatlity by issuing such irrelevant accusations.








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From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: I like smokin' lightning

>Now for the real letter/ OMC.
>
>I've been meaning to write this for days....Did anyone see 10000 Maniacs on
>Saturday Night Live this past week? I've never been a fan, but I really
>liked the stuff they did. Is it representative? What's the new album
>called? Is there stuff by them that I should pick up because it's better
>than others? Does anyone out there like them? I like the lead singer's
>voice...really unusual!
>
>Also, I've been haveing some trouble sending stuff....If you actually get
>this...did any of my other posts in the last few days go through???
>
>Marsha

Marsha,
     10,000 Maniacs are great.  I saw them live here on campus a couple of
years ago and they were great.  Natalie Merchant (the singer) has an
excellent voice.  I don't know what the new album is called, but I'll be
getting it when it comes out.
     I've been having the same mail return problem, but the posts are
getting through.  I don't know what the problem is.

                                Jeremy

"Love makes you feel like a roadkill porcupine; all warm, wet, and prickly,
        But still dead." - jkh
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Italian Is Musical? Sure!

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:15:09 CST <A22596@ITESO> said:
>Hi, Allmusiciers!
>
>I've just read that someone defends Italian as a musical languaje, and some
>others defend English. Of course, I defend Spanish, even taking a gun
>from my jacket.

Yeah, but we were defending each other's language instead of our own--aint that
strange?  :-)

>But every languaje has its own rithm and music, Vgr. Nahoa
>languaje from ancient mexicans (before Columbus, and so), Quechua, Mayan,
>Hindi and some Bangladeshian dialects, perform a natural music, 'cause
>of their own sounds.
>
Some friends of mine just put out a CD called =Spain in the New World=, a mix
of 16-18th century Mexican, Guatemalan, Spanish, Quechuan, etc. music.  I love
it, both for the language & the music.  You can really get your teeth into
"xacarilla", for example.

>C
>If Mozart wrote operas ien German (could someone confirm this, please?), is
>'cause he discovered music in a so hard-sounding languaje, as this is
>a public's domain term, there is no needing on bumping 'round and 'round.
>
Yes, he wrote =Die Zauberflote= (or is it floete?  never can remember that
umlaut) in German, because a friend of his needed a piece for his popular
theater.  I believe all his other (court) operas are in Italian.
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: one-liner of URGENT IMPORT
              9 Nov 1992 15:42:24 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.O HIO-STATE.EDU>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:42:24 EST Sonia Kovitz said:
>
>OMC:  uh... Ken mentioned Joaquin des Pres re: early music. Well, Tim (some
>OTHER
>Tim) left off my vote for des Pres from his Classical Top Tensky and I am still
>very deeply grieved about this.
>
That's 2 of us.  If we find 2 more, we will officially have a Josquin movement
(by Arlo rules).  Josquin was number 1 in his day, had no rivals.  He wrote
tons of sweet soulful tunes & lots of early Renaissance polyphony.  His student
Isaac was probably number one in *his* day.  Dunno who Isaac's student was,
probably someone good.  Someone once traced a student/teacher line of descent
from the Ren to Brahms once (think it was Brahms--someone of equal stature
in any case).  Pretty neat idea.

Had to say something about Josquin, or I would have had "Mille Regretz".
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From:         Me <VME107@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Zappa, etc. part 2

Russ Gelinas asks,
>OMC:  We're building a practice room in my cellar.  What's a good cheap
>source of sound insulation?

When my band was looking for a cheap alternative to expensive sound-
proofing, we got all of our friends to save egg cartons (preferably the
kind that is that grayish paper, not styrofoam.)  We mounted them on the
walls and ceiling of our rehearsal hall, with the bottoms facing into
the room.  You don't even need the tops.  I don't know if it is the
complex shape of the bottom that limits the reflections of sound waves,
but it really did work!  The only problem was getting enough cartons to
do the job.  What with the cholesterol concerns of today, you'll have
your work cut out for you!
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:38:56 -0500
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: friday the 13th part I

Perhaps Psychokiller by the Talking Heads?

Jeremy

"Sometimes I feel like I don't know
 Sometimes I feel like checking out
 I wanna get it wrong
 Can't always be strong
 And love it won't be long ..." - U2
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:35:07 GMT
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In a previous article, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) says:

>They have an album on Celloid from around 1984.  It is just called
>Praxis.  If I remember correctly, they were using a lot of "found
>sounds" probably sampled and played from a drum pad or keyboard.
>They liner notes don't mention anyone, but they thank Nick Skopelitis.

  They also thank him in the notes here, along with a fellow named Hakim
Bey (of the Temporary Autonomous Zone, it says here), who wrote a bit of
text for the liner of _Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)_ titled "Malay
Black Djinn Curse." The first paragraph reads: "These premises have been 
cursed by black sorcery. The curse has been activated according to correct
rituals. This institution is cursed because it has oppressed the imagination
and defiled the intellect, degraded the arts toward stupefaction, spiritual
slavery, propaganda for state and capital, puritanical reaction, unjust
profits, lies and aesthetic blight." At the end of the liner notes, it
says "This Work Is Part Of A Subversive Current Of Which The Last Has Not
Been Heard." Amen!

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Subject:      RMUSIC

Tom queried:

>Perhaps I'm just daft, but what is the purpose of RMUSIC-l? I'm all for a
>little healthy competition, but it seems like having two music lists
>divides us rather than strenghening us. I'm not sure I can deal with twice

I'm not sure why it was set up, but so far the topics covered are quite a bit
more mainstream and the crowd seems to be younger. There is also a lot of
one-liner noise on the personal in-joke level that's beginning to get on my
nerves a bit. However, I did get some good info on pre-Steve Perry Journey
(although that was from one of the ALLMUSICers), found out I'm not the only
Stiff Little Fingers fan around here and had some decent grunge queries...

They're also a little too sensitive to flamage...Probably couldn't stand the
heat here.

Bob T
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Blues
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:10:04 GMT


Jimi's greatest guitar solos?

Some of my favorites are:

Machine Gun from Band Of Gypsy's
Red House on Isle of Wight.
Star Spangled Banner from Woodstock.
(unknown) on Cry of Love.  ( would have to check for the title)
Nine To The Universe from Nine To the Universe.  (again, not sure of the
	title)

Jeff
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Obscene profits

Little Inquisitor says:

>Next time you plunk your money on he counter for a CD remember these facts. Acc
>ording to a story entitled "$ 16.98 Scam?" in the Chicago Sun-Times (Nov. 8), b
>y Jim DeRogatis, this is where the money goes:
>
>                   $ 2.25 Manufacturing    (14%)
>                     1.20 Marketing        (7%)
>                     2.65 Artist/songwriting
>                          royalty          (15%)
>                     5.09 Retailer         (30%)
>                     5.69 Major label profit (34%)
>                   _________
>                  $ 16.98
>

        True, but only in the States. I can tell you plainly that in Europe
things are quite different. The raw cost for a CD produced in 2,000 pieces
is about $5. The royalty doesn't exceed $1. Also, there are transportation
costs, which shouldn't be overlooked since 2,000 pieces in stock have a
weight of more or less 500lbs.
        Another point is the quantity of CDs you press. The mastering, on
small stocks, is quite determinant. In Italy, if you press 1,000 CDs, you won't
expect them to cost less than $7/$8 apiece. If you press 100,000 the cost is
reduced by 50% or so...
        Also, there are additional costs like films for the artwork and the
booklet, which are relevant in small stocks.
        It is one of the reasons why in Italy we often pay even domestic CDs
$22-24 and in some cases they reach $27. Sometimes it's fairly more convenient
to import them.
        The only thing I can say in defense of this is the classical other
side of the medal: if it is true that the market brings majors to multi-million
profits, it is also true that this sort of "imposed price" allows many inde-
pendents, me included, to survive. With the ever-present distribution snags
of independent artists/labels, stocks often remain unsold. A 100% profit may
not be fair, but if the margin were 10% or something similar, you could de-
finitely wave bye-bye to the independent market as we known it today. And you
do NOT want this, do you...? :) :)
        Honestly, this is the only case I can think of where major labels
actually do something good for indies: they set a trend which gives us room
to breathe. Think it over.
        Also, you may like to know that my CD sells at $20 in stores here in
Italy, and we are by far in the "economic" sector, for a new release. And
when we thought about asking $18 to lure the buyers :) we got a uniform re-
ply from ALL store-owners: don't do it -- or they won't buy it thinking it's
crap. This is the market, guys. Take it or leave it...

        Ciao, Marco
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What Makes It This or That

>The process of creating and using labels for genres always amazes
>me. Why, do you think, do we have such a need? Most of us decry it,
>especially when *asked* to define or defend, but it seems we all
>indulge it; as if there were some point to it. What is it?
>Michael Morse

  Probably it is the same reason we create names and
labels for anything.  To enable us to think about them,
to recognize them, to talk about them....  The genre
labels don't have to be tight, well defined, and exclusive
in order to be useful.
  We talk about "trees," even though there is a very fuzzy
fine line between trees and shrubs.  And we find the term
useful, even though there are things which seem to walk
that boundary.  And we don't find it more useful to describe
each particular species of tree individually except under
certain circumstances, because often, this indistinct set
of common characteristics are sufficient to what we are
trying to communicate.
  Now, it is silly to argue about whether a sassafras tree
growing in pennsylvania is more of a tree or a shrub - in
*that* case it is more useful to just describe the plant.
But that doesn't prevent the labels from being handy.
(It probably also makes little sense to try to careful
define the boundaries, or argue about whether certain
characteristics are universal enough or exclusive enough.)
  Hope this helps.

                  -Tim
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:05:27 -0500
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Nice Mouth!

>By the way Rev.,
>       Nice Mouth in the last post.
>            Do you use those kind of words in your sermon?
>				DARON

Bile (n.) - the bitter, yellow_brown or greenish fluid secreted by the
liver.

Infested (n.) - overrun/inhabited in large numbers, usually so as to be
harmful.

Idiot (n.) - a very foolish or stupid person.

Any questions?   (Hint: it's not a compliment)

>                                   "Homos are shun in the bible and the
>                                          church"

Who's quote is that anyways?  Yours?  Pat Robertsons?  Jesus Christ?  If
Jesus were gay, would his words/deeds have any less importance?

Get a clue DARON, or are you actually AIARMSTRONG in disguise?

Russ
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the word is that there will not be a tour supporting the _automatic for
the people_ album. i can't say that i blame them either: with the amount
of popularity they currently have, they would be forced to tour large sta-
diums (well, not force, but pressured to anyways) and they have sworn off
anything larger than small halls as a result of the green tour which,
apparently, they did not enjoy doing all that much.

you can probably expect periodic performances on radio, television and
that sort of thing...as with _out of time_.

woj
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From:         LAURAL@MIDD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Little Wing

        Little Wing is a Jimi Hendrix tune.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:34:34 CST
From:         "(Bob Crispen)" <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

I don't know "Fire, Fire" but I do know "Fahr, Fahr Mah Hort" like we
were accused by our director of singing it in Tulsa.

What was that thing about Phyllis?  I think we screwed that one up, too.

Oh, jeez.  I forgot.  We did part of Bach's Mass in B Minor.  In fact,
we did a smaller part of it than we had planned.  The flu took out
3 of our soloists and a good part of the lead singers in the sections.

We also did an evening called "Lotta Bach" that had the Coffee Cantata,
Komm Susser Tod (one for my fave list), and a bunch of other stuff.
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From: oakland@ee.tamu.edu (Mark Oakland)
Subject: Re:      Lazing on Tuesday Night was Re: What I got this weekend (as faras
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:30:33 GMT

In article <10NOV92.21341165.0016.MUSIC@IONA> Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET> writes:
>
>Thank you, Mark. Now I finally realized why this song was associated
>(in my mind) with heavy guitar playing power chords. Isn't the next song
>on _A Night at the Opera_ about 'a machine of a dream'?
>           Ilia.
That sounds like a line from "I'm in Love With My Car" which is on the album.
I don't remember the order of the songs, but have the cd at home.

In article <10NOV92.19650838.0016.MUSIC@IONA> Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET> writes:
Subject:      Peter Gabriel Revisited

>I have a version of "Here Comes the Flood" on Robert Fripp's _Network_,
>which I suspect to be a compilation. Does this song appear on any
>of Gabriel's albums?
>          Ilia.
Others have mentioned that it's on PG I, but it's also on Fripp's _Exposure_,
with Gabriel doing the vocals.

Mark
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Here are the lyrics requested:

And So It Goes...

In every heart there is a room
A sanctuary safe and strong
To heal the wounds from lovers past
Until a new one comes along

I spoke to you in cautious tones
You answered me with no pretense
And still I feel I said too much
My silence is my self defense

And every time I've held a rose
It seems I only felt the thorns
And so it goes, and so it goes
And so will you soon I suppose

But if my silence made you leave
Then that would be my worst mistake
So I will share this room with you
And you can have this heart to break

And this is why my eyes are closed
It's just as well for all I've seen
And so it goes, and so it goes
And you're the only one who knows

So I would choose to be with you
That's if the choice were mine to make
But you can make decisions too
And you can have this heart to break

And so it goes, and so it goes
and you're the only one who knows.
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From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Deep Purple's "Help"

John wrote:

> >From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
> >> What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?
>
> >the early years, I liked "Hush" and "Kentucky Woman" (they did a
> >very strange cover of The Beatles' "Help!" if I remember)
>
> You do remember correctly.  It was on _Shades Of Deep Purple_, their
> first album, the one with "Hush".  The "very strange" thing they did
> was merely slow the tempo down so that the mood of the music matched
> the mood of the lyrics.  Ever since I've had trouble listening to
> the Beatles' rather jaunty version.

     Really? To tell the truth, I always hated DP's version. Well, its
probably because I felt like Beatles were a sacred territory... And
Evans'es vocals compared to... Nah. Well, I did like their version of
'Hey, Joe' (actually I heard it before the original). Remember that part
where they say smth like 'This is the Mexican way' and switch to
Bolero-like rhithm with keyboard solos?

> >While we're talking about Ritchie Blackmore, I think Rainbow's _Rising_ album
> >(uh, 1977?) is one of the better hard rock albums period.
>
> Especially the last two songs with their epic tale of a mighty wizard
> destroyed by hubris told from the point of view of one of the wizard's
> slaves.  One of the more effective uses of an orchestra in hard rock.
> It's a shame he couldn't keep that band together.

I think I used to like another album by Rainbow, but I can't remember
it's name. It had tunes like 'Fire Dance' and cute instrumental
'Snowman'. Uh, it's been a long-long time...

          Ilia.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:35:19 MST
From:         Lamb Chops <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      cook me up some bacon and some beantown

Yes... the canookie is pumped and ready to invade Bwastin!

I'm heading out later this afternoon, so... schlong... see ya next week!  That
is, if the Bloomster lets me come home in one piece (musically, of course).  If
you see an abrupt change in my musical persona, you know who to blame!

And, I'm taking Libby with me since she always generates a good time, so
hope y'all don't miss her too much.  Libby also requested a tryst over
a Guinness or two with Russ at the Plough and Stars.  :)

So I'm armed with my cheap pink walkman, plenty of R.E.M. and Reggae tapes, my
woolies, a bottle of Canadian whiskey and a case of mint jelly.  Am I ready, or
what?!

Bye bye smoochies,
Carol & Libby Doe
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:25:58 CST
From:         A22596@ITESO.BITNET

El cielo es una pared gris
a dos metros de mi ventana.


Any suggestions, Spanish speakers?

I thought about this right this morning before comming to school, and
need a sugestion for finishing with this song, poem or whatever it
results to be.


Mario A. Calderon

PS.- Why not to make a collective poem (song or whatever it results to be)
across this list? Results use to be nice.
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