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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:52:16 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> On the whole, as I said, "Emissary" seemed to be business-as-usual.  Nothing
> new, nothing exciting.  Just as rather pedantic "introduce everything and wow
> the viewers" episode.  This might have worked under very different
> circumstances, but it just left me cold.
> 
> Grade: C-
> 
> -- 
> Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
> University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI


On the whole, what you said seemed to be your business-as-usual.
Nothing new, nothing intelligent.  Just a rather pedantic "destroy 
everything in the show" review.  Your approach to reviewing rarely works
for me under nearly all circumstances, and you leave me not only cold,
but frigid.  

You've made it plainly clear; you don't and never did like TNG, and you
seem determined to not like DS9 no matter what they do.  Your only purpose
in posting here, it seems to me, is to get a bundle of kicks for yourself
at the expense of the reputations of many at Paramount.  
If you don't like the series, stop watching.

Steven.K.Manfred



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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 03:34:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211840.1732@choate.edu> dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes:
>>>And to further canonnize it, watch closely in the teaser of the Deep Space
>>>Nine premier.  One of the ships attacking the Borg (with Locutus in command)
>>>is a Galaxy class starship.
>
>I was on the lookout for Galaxy-class starships during the teaser because
>of discussions on this board, and I believe I saw at least two Galaxy-class
>ships get hit and destroyed by the Borg.

I watched a friend's tape of the show again tonight, and did not see any
Galaxy-class ships. There were four ships seen clearly, plus some burning 
wreckage in the background, none of which were Galaxys. The four ships were
as follows:

An Excelsior, which got lightly toasted by the Borg cube.
Commander Sisko's ship (Reliant-class? Anyway, it was the same type as the
  Reliant in ST II, but I'm not sure if the class is named after it or not.)
A ship of the type that was commanded by Commander Data in Unification II
  (I have no idea what the class-name of this ship is...)
And an Ambassador.

Admittedly, the Ambassador and the ship from Unification II do resemble
a Galaxy class ship, but mostly because of the shape of their saucers.
However, they differ enough that they could clearly be seen for what they
were in the battle scene.

Not to say that there weren't any Galaxy-class ships in the battle at Wolf
359, there just weren't any shown in "The Emissary".


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: GARTH BROOKS 24 HOURS A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:45:13 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article p00258@psilink.com, "A.J. Janschewitz" <p00258@psilink.com> () writes:
>>DATE:   Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:25:54 GMT
>>FROM:   fun fun fun boy <pfinerty@nyx.cs.du.edu>
>>
>>
>>cuntry music is so beautiful, bein' it's about the lan and it's peepul.
>>yeah, golly my eyes are a waterin' as i write this. 
>>
>>it's amazing how one forgets all the wonderfully bigotted closed minded
>>songs. 
>>
>>if i see this shit here in t.b. again i think i will puke as i hit K.
>
>Mail the puke to Nashville, and wait for the upcoming hit country single 
>"My Wife Left Me, My Dog Died, and Somebody's Mailing Me Puke."


I don't want to spoil the "fun" but whats this got to do with trek?

tony bell
From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: G-class ships at 359
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:15:49 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine

In article <1993Jan5.035425.15011@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.150250.8316@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
> writes:
>>If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hull.
>>
>
>If there is indeed one galaxy-class hull, then it must be the _U.S.S.
>Galaxy_, as the _Yamato_ was destroyed in a previous episode. Guess that
>leaves only the E.
>
>David Rodabaugh                    rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Senior, Mechanical Engineering
>The Ohio State University


Spoiler follows:
(I think the ctrl-L worked....)

When Sisko is trying to dig his wife from the wreckage, the viewer can see
through the damaged bulkhead, presumably held together by a structural
integrity field.

Past the damaged bulkhead flies the drive section of the aforementioned
Galaxy-class starship. I rewound this several times to make sure.

Also, look closely at the first starship to be blown away, the one where
the Borg weapon vaporizes its saucer section. That ship is the U.S.S.
Melbourne, Riker's would-be starship.

Kris Magnusson
yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail enjoyed)


-- 
Yan Fang-Magnusson
Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah
yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Best of...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:58:54 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

Personally, one of my favourite scenes from TNG was the scene in
_Menage_A_Troi_ where Picard has to convince the Ferengi that he
is passionately and madly in love with Lwaxana(sp?) and that he
will destroy the Ferengi ship unless Lwaxana is returned immed-
iately.  This is probably one of the best moments of dramatic acting
by Patrick Steward, but was at the same time hilarious.  Espically
the at the end of the scene, where Lwaxana is beamed into his arms
and he *urgently* commands helm back to Betazed at "warp 9".

                                            -=Road Warrior=-
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From: jmanning@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Joshua I. Manning)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)read 17396
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:52:58 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Come to think of it, you must be right. All Vulcans have twins ... and
they don't have to be Vulcan.

Case in point. Noted Ambassador Sarek of Vulcan's twin was a Romulan
Commander who committed suicide after being bested by Captain James T.
Kirk, sortly after took over command of the Enterprise!

The universe is a strange place.

Josh
From: Kevin.Karmann@bridge.omahug.org (Kevin Karmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: End of TNG Series?
Date: 05 Jan 93 15:42:23 CST
Reply-To: kevin.karmann@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

> It's been a long time since I've been on any trek groups, so I may 
> missing some common knowledge ... a pal passed back a rumor that CH
> COMMAND was the end of the TNG series. 
 
Amazing how that rumor seems to get around...
 
> Confirm or deny?  

Deny.
 
> Any info on prospects for a season of TNG next year? 
 
There are known episodes planned for the rest of the season (maybe not 
all of them, but there are commonly known ones, like the next one in 
February that features the return of a couple of TNG characters...).  
Furthermore, Michael Piller said on the QVC Star Trek: Deep Space Nine 
Special that there were no plans to cancel TNG until it stops making 
money.  Several reports from conventions have stated that Majel Barret 
has been saying there will be at least 7 seasons (some reports say 
that she says *8* seasons -- with the cast that does not return in 
season 7 unable to come ba
seaon 7 unable to come back as regulars.)  Additionally, Rick Berman 
says that Paramount plans at least one season past the current one in 
Starlog # 187 (February issue).
From: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Originator: jackson@ess43
Reply-To: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Organization: Applicon
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:15:28 GMT

In article <1ihv50INNeg1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writes:
|>  
|> In article 726386491@cunews, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
|> >
|> >Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
|> >Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
|> >were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
|> >was dead. Have I overlooked anything?
|> >
|> Well... Spock died and then came back to life.  Perhaps the Vulcan captain
|> did the old mind meld thing with one of the Saratoga's crew before he was blown
|> into little pieces.  That crewmember escaped and managed to return to
|> Star Fleet HQ.  Star Fleet then used the transporter trace to construct
|> a new body for the Vulcan, took the crewmember and the new body to the
|> Vulcan temple in Star Trek III, and voila!  Vulcan reincarnation!  
|> 
|> steve holland
|> 


This would also explain why he was such a sourpuss during the cadets' trial
in 'The First Duty.'

   ("Being disintegrated makes me VERY ANGRY...")


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  - JWJ  "Well, when you put it *that* way, I think you're absolutely right."
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:24:58 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <9301041428.AA02801@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  04-Jan-1993 0928) writes:
>The two composers of TNG's incidental music, Dennis McCarthy and Jay
>Chattaway, are under strict orders from the executive producers to keep their
>music bland and unobtrusive.  Ron Jones was fired from his composing job
>because his music -- too bland for my taste -- was unacceptably jarring to
>his bosses' ears.

Though I suspect you're being tongue-in-cheek, it would not surprise me in the
least if you were right!

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:21:05 GMT

Perhaps, now that more Trill are active in the larger galaxy, some
way around that problem has been discovered, e.g. some sort of device
that can be surgically implanted in the host that would protect the
symbiont.
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: DSN - questions, poss. spoiler
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:57:34 GMT

rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh) writes:

>Here's a question for all you TV buffs out there who have already seen DSN...

>The bridge that the commander and his son are sitting on - does this look
>familiar to anybody else. I will swear that this is the same bridge and
>waterway used in multiple episodes of "Little House on the Prairie." (No
>flames, please. I watched it in my youth. You know, young innocence and all...)

>And, I am sure that the man who played Gul Ducat (sp?) also played Gul Maset
>in a previous episode of ST:TNG. I need to have this confirmed and have the
>name of the actor, please.

I was thinking whether the actor who played the Cardassian on the
premier was the same guy from the TNG episode with the renegade
Federation captain.  The makeup may have changed though.  That episode
was on again after DSN and I really couldn't tell.

Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Time and space
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu					  -Quantum Leap
Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Odo: Why *does* he look like that? (SPOILERS)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:03:04 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <79327@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.214546.25648@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
>
>>Spoilers follow, so beware...

>
>>The morphing effect for Odo was good, just like in Terminator 2.  I liked the
>>scene where the guy throws the knife at Odo's head and it "splashed" through.
>
>Yeah, but couldn't this have hurt someone behind him?  Wouldn't it have been
>better to "catch" the knife with his face? :-)
>
>About Odo, some people have questioned why he looks like he does (one person
>even asked why he doesn't look like Patrick Stewart!).  Maybe that's just
>his "natural" form?  Ie, the form that takes him the least amount of enery
>to maintain (maybe no energy)?  If Odo were knocked out, what shape would he
>take?  Would he melt?
>
Odo has a flat, featureless face because the computers that have to animate
his morphing have less to do that way.. :)
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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: DSN: PP general comments
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:41:32 GMT

Just saw Past Prologue. No review (or spoilers) I'll leave that to those
who do it far better. Just some general comments.

Absolutely nothing new in this plot. Very predictable. There is alot of
yelling. Is this the writers' idea of interpersonal drama? Are we going to
get this week after week?

I'm sorry but the actress who plays Major Kira is a major embarrassment.
Surprisingly bad. It's clear that her lines were written with Michelle
Forbes (Ensign Ro) in mind (One can actually see the seams of the re-write)
But the current actress (Nana Visitor?) should not have been cast. She just
did not have what it takes to carry some of the very crucial scenes in Past
Prologue. Her presence just dosen't match the character she is trying
(very hard) to protray.

I can see a great deal of potential in DSN's premise but there's something
missing. I really can't put my finger on it. bits and pieces are quite
good but overall I'm disappointed. Yes, I'll give it time to develope but
IMO it has a long way to go. Alot farther, I think, than TNG had to go
when it first aired.
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Subject: John Becker....
From: jmeyer@perdita.gac.edu (Jennifer R Meyer)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:27:00 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: perdita.gac.edu


Hello....if your name is John Becker and you attend Purdue in Illinois,  
you must e-mail me as soon as you get back from Christmas vacation!!!!  I  
don't know your new account address so write me!!!!  Our Trek talks must  
continue!!!
			Jennifer---you know who I am!!!!
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From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:08:50 GMT

In article <1ifik5INN28u@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY  
A.) writes:
>   The Trill are a symbiote race.  The human-looking bipeds form the "body"  
and
> the slugs are the "brains".  The freaky part is that it appears the host had  
an
> intelligent, free-will being in it to start with.  Why they choose to be
> controlled by the slugs is beyond my comprehension.  Where does the
> "consciousness" of the host being go?This issue was never addressed in the
> original TNG episode, nor do I recall anyone asking Riker what it was like.   
> While I found the flashback an effective way to explain things, I also found  
it
> very disturbing because this "control" aspect.  The host body looked nervous
> prior to the implantaion.  Now, one supposes that as a Fed race/races, this  
is 
> a mutal agreement, but I find it bloody horrible.  I intend to do my best to
> forget Dax is really a body-hopping slug....

Well, the original mind of the humanoid might meld with the Trill and form a  
single mind; the slug, generally being older and stronger-willed, would  
probably be the dominant partner.  (Dax's flashback started before receiving  
her slug component, so at least some of the humanoid's memories must remain.)

But, now that you mention it, the replacement Trill host of "The Host" seemed  
not too happy to be there.  (Or maybe it was supposed to be stoic resignation,  
or zombielike lack of intelligence ... this is getting chilling.)

Either way the humanoids might consider it an honor to carry the slugs, much as  
some Voudoun practitioners are honored by being the "horse" of a loa (a Voudoun  
spirit).  And either way you'd expect them to be at least a little scared.  But  
we're entitled to an explanation ...

(And are all residents of Trill symbiotes?  Or only a few? ... Or only the  
rulers?  Guess we know who's happy with the Prime Directive.)

As to Riker's experience -- he wasn't adapted/bred to carry the thing, so maybe  
he just blacked out.  Doesn't prove how a humanoid Trill reacts.

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail)

"'I am that merry wanderer of the night'?  I am that giggling, dangerous,  
totally bloody psychotic menace to life and limb, more like it."
-- Peaseblossom, _Sandman_ #19
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From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Keywords: data brent spiner stargazer 
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:11:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.000020.10962@utoday.com> billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) writes:
>There was once a time when I thought that you hadn't lived through really 
>wonderfully BAD music unless you were at the 1979 John-Williams-In-Space 
>concert at Madison Square Garden, where William Shatner sat lazily upon a 
>stool, a cigarette (joint?) dangling from his lips, reciting the words to "Rocket 
>Man" during a laser light show.
>    Okay, so I was wrong.
>    TV Guide recently printed a letter and brief reply about a new album entitled 
>"Old Yellow Eyes Is Back," by Brent Spiner And The Stargazers (Stewart, Frakes, 
>Dorn & Burton). Unfortunately, they didn't mention the label it's on or where it's 
>available.
>    Hey, I GOTTA have it. A dear friend (who counts Shatner's "Lucy in The Sky 
>With Diamonds" album as one of her odd-but-prized-anyway possessions) tried 
>several music shops in the New York City/Long Island area, but alas, to no avail.
>    Does anyone out there know where I can acquire this gem? Shops in the New 
>York City/Long Island area, or perhaps by mail?
>    Thanks in advance!
>
>"I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic 
>memory circuit, using stone knives and bearskins." --Spock
>                             Humble Typesetter

Well, I ordered mine through my local CD store - sorry, I don't remember the label
at the moment. However, *please* don't compare it to Shatner or even the bad
Williams stuff. Spiner's CD is excellent - of you like Sinatra-style music. I really
loved it. Spiner has a good voice and this CD was not meant as a joke. I think you'll like it.

Janet
-- 
   Janet Christian             jchristian@indetech.com

My boss agrees with everything I say - well, actually, he thinks I'm working.  
"Never argue with a Scorpio - it's frustrating and you'll lose, anyway..."
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 possible problems
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:05:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iv8b3INNm5j
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan12.021335.28418@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo) writes:
>After watching the first show, I came up with some things that could cause
>problems down the road.


>I see it only lasting 2 seasons at least.

	Ahh.....a network programmer in training.

	I see they have some job openings at NBC.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Organization: indiana university
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:31:51 GMT



Regarding possible titles, how about "Star Trek VII - the Wrath of
Fiber," 
"Star Trek VII - The Search for my Bifocals," or 
"Star Trek VII - The Voyage to the Home"

Leno commented prior to STVI, "It's not that the old Star Trek crew are
getting old... but they recently left the Enterprise's left navigational
beacon flashing through four solar systems."
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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:03:20 GMT

dszpiro@student.business.uwo.ca (Daniel A. Szpiro) writes:

>dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas) writes:

>> Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>> was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the origina
>> series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>> specific instances.
>> 

>I recall that Saavik was referred to as "Mr. Saavik" in STII. Off the
>top of my head I can't recall any other instances of using "sir" or
>"Mr." to refer to female officers. Perhaps someone can tell us what
>the protocol is the military for addressing female officers.

>Regards,

>Danny

Speaking of Sir, an ensign refers to O'Brien as 'sir' in the first episode
of DSN. Therefore, he must be an officer.
Joe

>  


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