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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Keywords: piracy, SPA
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:46:12 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <7664@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, linley@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce 
Linley) writes:

> Another thought to ponder... copyright laws do allow some things (like
> articles, etc.) to be FREELY copied if it's for educational use (i.e. pro-
> fessor copies article for class notes). Software is protected under
> copyright
> law (not patent). If I make a copy of MS Word to write that term paper, am I
> breaking the law? Seems ill defined to me.

It's not that simplistic.  The "is it for educational use" question is only 
one of the four questions considered in determining "fair use" under 
copyright.  The four factors, taken from 17 USC 107, are:

1) Is the use educational in nature?  If so, then this factor favors fair 
use.  If not, it favors  a finding of infringement;

2) What is the nature of the copyrighted work?  If factual in nature, then 
this factor favors fair use; if entertainment, then it favors a finding of 
infringement;

3) What is the amount and substantiality of the portion used, in relation to 
the copyrighted work as a whole?  If only a small percentage of the work is 
used, then this factor favors fair use; if a large percentage is used, it 
favors  a finding of infringement.

4) The effect of the use on the potential market for or the value of the 
work.  If the market or value is not significantly reduced, this factor 
favors fair use; if the market or value is significantly reduced, it favors a 
finding of infringement.  This factor has been characterized by the US 
Supreme Court as the most important of the four factors.

In your example, factor #1 favors fair use, but factors 3&4 favor 
infringement.  Factor 2 seems tough to apply to software, and I'm not aware 
of how it is applied, if it is.

Terry Carroll
"Then they came upon The Thing." 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: MacX and MacTCP
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:33:51 GMT

hughfd+@pitt.edu (Hugh F Docherty) writes:
>    I have a Mac IIsi with 9 Megabytes of RAM running System 7.  MacX works
>to the point that I can open multiple clients and switch between them.  
>Once I have a number of clients open.  Ususlly six X clients work fine but
>even if I stop or kill one or more of the proceeses, it appears as though
>I run out of memory.  I get the following message:
>
>	The remote command "command" could not be executed
>	via the tool "MacTCP Tool".  Creation of the remote command
> 	stream failed.
>
>	Not enough memory is available to issue the needed domain
>	name resolver query or to build the DNR cache.

Where does the MacTCP tool allocate memory to do the domain name resolving?
Is it in the program's memory, or in the system heap?  Are you allocating
all of the extra memory for MacX (or other programs) such that the System
heap cannot grow?


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From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Is there a program which allows me to deBinHex a bunch of binhex files in
>one go, either by drag-drop or via a batch process.

The utility is called DeHQX, surprisingly enough, and is in the sumex-aim.
stanford.edu ftp site under info-mac/util.  However, even better is 
compact pro 1.33, also in the same directory, which will not only dehqx
a file for you without having to worry about the headers (actually, DeHQX
does that too...), but it will then open up the archive and decompress
it for you, and it can handle almost any compression scheme.
______________________________________________________________________________
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______________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: portable-update-1-3.hqx?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:44:32 GMT

Hello, netters!

 I am looking for the above cdev.
 ftp.apple.com doesn't repond to my host. Are there any problem
 in Apple?

 Is there anyother place I can find?
 Or somebody could send me a copy?

Thank you in advance,

Choi
choi@galton.uchicago.edu
choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:12528 comp.sys.mac.hardware:14336
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:06:57 EDT
From: <GFX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Powerbook and Versaterm Pro

Hi!

I use Versaterm Pro 3.0.2 on a PB170. When copying the application
from my desktop mac, I noticed that the menus lost their command
equivalents and the Edit menu is screwed. I looked into the resources
with ResEdit only to discover that VTPro doesn't have Menu resources.
From what I can understand, VTPro identifies the keyboard you are using
and sets its menus accordingly (e.g. now numeric keypad generates a
different configuration) and because my PB has a French-Canadian keyboard
layout, the menus are screwed.

1) do you know if later versions of VTPro fix that? I read that Abeldeck
was now distributed by Synergy. Any phone/Fax/AppleLink number?

2) I read in MacUser that an cp (PBKEYS?) available on compuserve could
be used to emulate a numeric keypad with a mixture of control/command
keys. Is it available from an FTP site?

3) I would like to hear from anyone using a PB to connect to VM/CMS either
from a LAN or a modem. What works best for you?

thanks,

Stephane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Ben E. Colley <tpmaint@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Looking for a "unique" program
Originator: news@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: Univ of Missouri-Columbia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:03:54 GMT

While I've looked everywhere I know to look, I have been unable to find
an application that does what the Unix "unique" program does.  I
particularly need this program to process exported FileMaker Pro summary
reports -- you know, the exported file contains a duplicate entry for
each detail record going into the summary.
 
While I can easily FTP these files over to a Unix machine to munge them,
seems like I shouldn't have to bother. 
 
Thanks in advance.... 
 
Ben
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: rolfe@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher John Rolfe)
Subject: Re: Mac Drawing Program
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:40:19 GMT

jerry@bioiris.tamu.edu (Jerry Anchin) writes:

>I'm looking for a Mac program other than Mac-Draw or Super-Paint for my
>MacIIci. 

There's Imagev1.41, available from alw.nih.gov via anon ftp.  It's a
PD digital image processing/visualization program which just
incidentally is a great graphics program.  It needs a
math-coprocessor.
	
Chris
rolfe@sfu.ca
From: jrf@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: MacX
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:56:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

I would like to know whether a version of MacX is available for
System 6 or System 7, and, if so, what is the general opinion
about it. Sorry in case this is an old thread - I do not read this
newsgroup regularly.

John Firth
jrf@uk.ac.york.minster
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: The Gestapo and you (was  Re: Copyrights and piracy...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:37:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <7722@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, linley@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce
Linley) wrote:

> 
> What about putting that original copy of word on a network where n number of
> people can launch it simultaneously?

This is usually explicity disallowed by the license agreement, unless
special arrangements are made witht he vendor.

>What about renting software?

What about it?

>As as for the
> point about it being OK to videotape broadcast TV shows because they ARE being
> broadcast over public airwaves, tell me please, why has the federal gov't ruled
> that it is ILLEGAL to intercept cellular phone calls with a scanner?

Because they decided that in one case there is "a reasonable expectation of
privacy" and it the other there isn't.  Correctly, IMHO.

>These
> calls travel over public airwaves. (If it's passing through my skull, I have
> every damn right to be able to listen in.)

Only if you have a microwave receiver implated in your skull.

-tony

>>usual disclaimer<<
From: rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jorge Rufat 283-4308)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Importing files with ThoughtPattern
Date: 29 Jul 1992 14:07:51 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company

In a previous message, I asked for help to import a 600k file into TP 1.3.
I solved the problem by using an 8Mb machine. I gave 3Mb to the application
and left 3Mb of straight memory. TP imported the flat file into 2874 records
with 29 fields. No problem.

The best part came when I created "tabs" or indexes and asked TP to
cross-index the whole file. Now I have a "perfectly organized" database
with very little effort (discounting the importing learning curve.)

-- 
Jorge Rufat-Latre		 | (713) 283 4308
MDSSC				 | rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
MIT				 | jrufat@athena.mit.edu
From: macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: WingZ - sys 7 compatible version ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:35:21 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

dmerrill@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Douglas Merrill) writes:

> From: Leonard Cayetano, macdevil@netlink.cts.com
> In article <4yo5NB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> Leonard Cayetano,
> macdevil@netlink.cts.com writes:
> >I forgot which Mac magazine, MacWorld or MacUser, stated it, but 
> >Informix will be coming out with a new version (2.x) of Wingz.  That
> >will be System 7 savvy.
> >
> 
> 
> You could also try Claris Resolve -- there's an "upgrade" from Wingz to
> Resolve 1.1, which is System 7 savvy, and is shipping (unlike Wingz 2.0).
>  Call Claris and ask about pricing (it was cheap...)
> 
> BTW -- Claris bought part (perhaps all) of the code to Wingz and snazzed
> it up some -- I have been able to open all my Wingz files (about 50 of
> them at ~500k each) and work with no problems (i.e., no export/import,
> etc) since Resolve is in large part Wingz minus some of the annoying bugs.
> 
Supposedly, Wingz was rebuilt from the ground up.  I am almost positive that
the article was in MacWorld considering that I have a subscription to
MacUser and have yet to see anything on Wingz 2.0.  Sure you can go get
Resolve since it is basically Wingz in disquise.  Because of Informix'
slowness when it came to upgrading Wingz, I moved on to 1-2-3 for the
Mac which suits me just fine since I use 1-2-3 for the PC at work.  

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From: rfisel@informix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: THANKS for info on 32-bit cleanliness and old apps
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:17:37 GMT
Reply-To: rfisel@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Thanks to all who sent info on 32-bit mode and its intricacies. I expect I will  
go ahead with my memory upgrade :-). Everyone seemed to know more than I, so I  
won't post a summary unless people ask. 

Thanks again,

Rick Fisel 
opinionated employee of opinionless
Informix Software
I prefer replies by email.
From: huddler@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Gil Kasparek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Freehand to Adobe Illustrator conversion needed
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:35:46 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I have a Freehand 3 file that I need converted to Adobe Illustrator format. 
Is there an easy way to do this, other than buying some form of EPS Exchange?
Or can someone do this for me? (Please reply w/ E-mail)

Gil Kasparek
HUDDLER@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: More Disk Space
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<ysNLoB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:00:55 GMT

> zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman) writes:

   Well, the review that just came out in MW was that that copying files 
   compressed was a feature. I guess you just have to run the decompressor on 
   the MO after copying compressed files to it.

Yes, there is a check box. Mostly, it followed the checkbox,
but in some cases, it DID NOT !

   BTW, if you don't like it, maybe you want to sell it (dirt cheap; I can't 
   afford it, let alone a new HD!)

Make me an offer.

-- 
      Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden
                  h+@nada.kth.se    +46-10-141652

              My cat usually runs around on the roof.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Subject: Re: Converting Mac Word Processing to Latex,TROFF
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:41:22 GMT

In <1992Jul14.145224.1061@MITL.COM>  haber@MITL.COM (Eben M. Haber) writes:
>I'm interested in being able to convert Mac Wordprocessing files (I use
>WriteNow but can covert to RTF, Word, MacWrite, etc) to Unix Latex or
>TROFF files, maintaining all the formatting information.

I just ran across an RTF to TeX package at the anonymous ftp site 
niord.shsu.edu.  The following is extracted from the file 
rtf2tex.description there:

> The RTF2TeX package includes the files for Robert Lupton's
> <rhl@astro.princeton.edu> RTF2TeX, an RTF to TeX converter.  RTF2TeX is a
> filter built on Paul DuBois' RTF reader that converts RTF (Microsoft's Rich
> Text Format) into TeX.  RTF2TeX expends a good deal of effort in an attempt
> to make the resulting TeX maintainable and modifiable.
> 
> To retrieve the entire package of 11 files in 12 parts, include:
>  SENDME RTF2TEX
> in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET (FILESERV@SHSU.edu)

Files available include a .zipped executable (presumably for PC RTF files)
and C source code.

Also at this ftp site is a directory entitled wp2latex, which includes
programs to convert WordPerfect documents to latex.  Again, this is intended
for PC files, but you could convert the source code (Turbo Pascal) to the
Mac, or move files to a PC for conversion to latex.
  This site includes a very large number of items of interest to people
working with latex or tex.

  I do not know how these programs will compare with the one offered to you
by Steve Dorner.  I would be interested in any comparisons between these
programs, if you try more than one, or in hearing if you actually port
either of the PC conversion programs to the Mac.

--Darrah Chavey
  Beloit College
From: RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Word 5 Find File to search folder?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:46:34 GMT
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING


 
 
Is it possible to use Word 5's Find File capability
to search a specific folder?  I've RTFM and I can't
find anything, but frequently I know what folder a
file is in and don't want to search the entire
100 Meg hard drive.  Anyone know a way to do
this?
 
   Tim Rushing (rushing@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:14:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.180343.4066@newstand.syr.edu>, ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper) writes:
> 
> 
>   I have  a slight feeling that I'm going to be flamed.
> 
>   Screw the rights of the performers. It's the age of information. Unless a 
>   person is making money from or passing off another's work as his own, I don't
>   think it's a problem. Hey, Matt Groening, my Mac says "Working is for Chumps."
>   Do you and Nancy Cartwright give a shit?
> 
>   Didn't think so.

What if he decides to market a disk full of sounds from The Simpsons and you
have already copied those sounds to your disk, so you don't need to buy his
disk?

Sounds from Star Trek are on the market now.  That means a lost sale to
people who have already copied those sounds from videotape or off the
air.

There is no difference between copying those sounds and copying executable
software.  You're right; this is the age of information--however, that makes
information a commodity to be bought and sold.  By taking it for free without
the permission of the owner, you are robbing from him.

You're also right that you're going to be flamed--rightfully so, IMO.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
From: goblec@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:54:56 -0600
 <21998@venera.isi.edu> <1992Jul25.093918.20532@newstand.syr.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University


In article <1992Jul25.093918.20532@newstand.syr.edu>, ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper) writes:
> 
>   And a QuickTime movie thatr consisted of an entire episode of the Simpsons 
>   would piss off Matt Groening and the unions in what way? 
> 
>   It's a f=====g video tape that I'm watching on my computer instead of on 
>   my VCR!!!
> 
>   How is a Quicktime movie on my Mac different than a VCR copy?
> 
>   Ken

Because the Supreme Court decided VCR's were a special case.  I had forgotten
this when I wrote my messages teh other day.  If I remember there was quite a
battle between the VCR makers and Hollywood.

Interesting question that falls under all this.  Public transmission enter my
house.  ie. Satelite.  If I crack the scrambling method, am I violating a
copywrite?  Wasn't there a big controversy about this a few years back?  Radio
Shack selling HBO busters or something like that.
From: sandy@beeker.cs.umass.edu (Sandy Wise)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Quicktime film lab
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: wise@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Organization?  I thought entropy would take care of that...

For the last few days I have been playing around with quicktime to do
"cell" animation. And am looking for the qt equivalent of a
middle-school film lab:

        1. A splicer -- I can either regenerate from the original
           cells, or using cut and paste from the player, but
           QuickTime is supposed to let you reference other files from
           within a file which seems more space efficient (and less
           time consuming.)

        2. A dubbing deck -- I would like to be able to add a sound
           track to the movies.

Does anyone know of freeware/shareware tools to perform these tasks? I
know Premier does all of these things and more, but I can't justify
spending that much money just to play around.
        /s
--
Alexander Erskine Wise /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Software Development Laboratory
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ WISE@CS.UMASS.EDU /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jan.grav@tf.tele.no (Jan Grav)
Subject: Re: NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5: Problem with keyboard
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:06:22 GMT

In article <jbrowne.712446191@void>, jbrowne@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne) writes:
>
> We've worked on adding this to Telnet 2.6, and it *almost* works.  Perhaps I'll
> get a 2.6 alpha out the door this weekend.
> -- 
> Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
> NCSA/STG System Administrator                       | stgadmin@ncsa.uiuc.edu |
> System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
> --"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
> 
I have been using NCSA/BUY Telnet 2.5B-TCP since it came out (Compiled 2/21/92)
without the character set mapping problem (Norwegian character set BTW). :-)

To bad it does not work with the 2.5 version. :-(
From: fblau@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Blau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: DA Spreadsheet Exists?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:20:55 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Is there a S7 compatible spreadsheet DA?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: Re: WingZ - sys 7 compatible version ?
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:18:35 GMT

In article <l6r35cINN2t4@girtab.usc.edu> silverma@girtab.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.021429.4291@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jonkatz@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jonathan W. Katz) writes:
>>In article <4yo5NB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano) writes:
>>>I forgot which Mac magazine, MacWorld or MacUser, stated it, but 
>>>Informix will be coming out with a new version (2.x) of Wingz.  That
>>>will be System 7 savvy.
>>>
>>>--                    
>>
>>Do we know when???????
>
>Who cares, I've already switched back to excel (which takes up 5Meg+, while
>wingz took less than 1M).
>

Why not use Claris Resolve? I read that they bought the main part of
WingZ to include in Resolve. So it should be as fast as WingZ and from
what I've seen the look and feel of Resolve and WingZ is quite similar
in parts.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Jerome Chan <yjc@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: How to change Start Up Font in Nisus?!
Organization: Alethea, The Twilight World!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:45:50 GMT

  How does one change the startup font in Nisus? I would like to startup
with Times 14 instead of Geneva 12.

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From: flash@austin.lockheed.com (James W. Melton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Unattended modem transfer
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:24:49 GMT
Organization: Disorganized, and fighting to stay that way

I need to set up a Mac to accept unattended file transfers via
modem. I don't need (or want) the full functionality of a BBS; I
just want to let people send files to me without having to stop
what I am doing to set up the transfer.

I have heard that White Knight may have this type of feature. Does
anyone know for sure? I guess this type of thing is not done too
much, since most of the advice I have gotten to date says, "Set up
a bulletin board."

Please email. I will post a summary if requested.

----
-- 
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