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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:44:04 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

	Might as well throw my $.02 in.
IMHO The niners have a better down field passing game then Cowboys.
If we consider the running games, O lines, and short passing game
are about equal. The 49ers just seem to make more big plays passing
then the cowboys currently do.
	The Cowboys have a better pass defense then the 49ers. Since
Dallas ranked #1 overall and S.F. run defense was at or near the top
the real difference was the pass D.
	The above 2 more or less cancel each other out (hopefully).
	I'm not as familiar with the 49ers special teams but if
I remember the last 3 - 4 months correctly they are not considered
a strength. The Dallas special have played very well this year and if
Lin Elliot has a good game I give an edge to Dallas.
	S.F. has experience, home field, and a team that really wants
to prove this new generation (i.e Young, Watters, etc) can also win.
Dallas has a fired up Charles Haley and defense, and the drive to
prove detractors wrong.
	What does this all add up to? Hopefully a close and thrilling
game for all.
(WOOF: "unless the cowboys kick butt then it will only be thrilling
	for Dallas fans". End of WOOF :)). 

Dallas:  23
S.F.  :  21

	Good luck and a good game to both teams.

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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Bills-Oilers
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:09:06 GMT

In article 2874@kronos.arc.nasa.gov, blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>In article <C0CCEw.JK9@acsu.buffalo.edu> ajay@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ajay Shekhawat) writes:
>>kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>>
>>>Boy what a choke job by the Hou defense. What a pathetic job at playing
>>>zone defense. In a zone, you have to take away the deep stuff first, *then*
>>>the short pass. To give up so many big plays deep in a zone is awful.
>>
>>>The Bills did catch 2 breaks;
>>
>>>o That catch by Beebe after he stepped out of bounds. The ump on the line
>>>  was not looking at Beebe's position. Bad officiating, bottom line.
>>
>>Well, not quite. If the receiver is *pushed* out of bounds, he can come back
>>and still remain an eligible receiver. This is akin to the receiver being
>>pushed out of bounds when he goes up for a reception: if he would have landed 
>>inside, it's a valid reception.
>
>I thought this was just a college rule, and that in the NFL,
>regardless of whether you are pushed out of bounds, or step out on
>your own accord, you are no longer eligible to receive a (non-tipped,
>of course) forward pass.  
>
>

 I believe you are correct Mark. In the pros, if you go out of bounds for any
 reason you cannot come back to make a reception. In college, if you are pushed
 out you can come back, but if you aren't pushed, you cannot.

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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: Alamo at Buffalo
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:38:43 GMT

In article <C0EDHJ.640@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook) writes:
|> .... Even if I were not an
|> avid Bills fan, I believe I would be annoyed at former AFC men Bradshaw
|> and Madden, who could not risk hyping NBC by giving more than passing
|> reference to one of the games that we will all be relating to our
|> grandchildren some day.

I seem to remember both Madden and Summerall (sp?) saying that that must have
been '...one helluva game...' and a few other adjectives. Maybe I was mistaken.

Cheers,
Alan Whitton
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:30:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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I can honestly say that as soon as the Bills scored and I saw the fans at Rich
go totally berserk, I started Yelling WE can WIN We Can win!
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: NFL Labor Agreement:  Major Restriction
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:23:27 GMT

This comes from an AP article:

a hitherto undisclosed provision of the NFL's new labor contract
will keep the league's top teams from signing any free agents.

Nicknamed the "Rooney Rule" because it was proposed by Pittsburgh
Steelers president Dan Rooney, it will probably keep Reggie White
of the Philadelphia Eagles, this year's prime free agent, from
joining most of the teams for whom he says he'd like to play.

"Its designed to ensure competitive balance," Joe Browne, the NFL's
vice president for communications, said by telephone from Pittsburgh
Sunday.

Under the plan, teams that make the conference championship game
(49ers, Cowboys, Bill, and Dolphins/Chargers) will not be allowed to
sign any free agents unless they lose one.  And if they lose one,
they will be allowed to sign a free agent for only the same salary
or less than the departed player is getting.

Moreover, the next four teams - losers in this week's playoff
games - (Eagles, Redskins, Steelers, Dolphins/Chargers) will be
able to sign only one free agent and pay him an average of
$1.5 million or less.  They will also be able to replace departed
players, but only at salaries of less than $1M.

The rule applies to years in which there is no salary cap, which
will be triggered when league-wide player costs reach 67 percent of 
gross revenue.  That will include this season, the first for free
agency.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More predictions
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:23:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan11.032702.20834@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

If you're going to bash Storga, fine, but leave the Cowboys out of it.
If some of your comments made sense, I wouldn't mind, but you're just
knee-jerking the opposite of whatever Gordon says.  At least he makes
his own comments.

>In article <1993Jan11.021315.13521@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>>Passing games are farely even with the advantage in TE production going to
>>Dallas.  
>
>Oh -- and they're disadvantaged to have an All-Pro
>TE in Brett Jones.

Hmmm . . . Jay Novacek?  Never heard of him.  As for receivers, Rice wins
over Irvin, but you can only be so good as a receiver; a lot depends on
the throws given you.  I'd call that one an even battle.  The same for the
rest of the receiving corps.


>>SF has to face the #1 defense, Dallas doesn't.  
>
>Funny how Gordon didn't point out that Dallas has to face the #1 offense.

He doesn't mention it because the differences between the offenses is much
smaller than the differences between the defenses.  #1 offense versus #1
defense, but on the flip side, it's #4 offense versus -- what? -- #22?
That is the key to this game.

But that is just statistics.  I would rank Dallas' offense in front of
everyone's except for San Francisco.  They are more powerful than Miami,
and more consistent than Houston and Buffalo.  Only San Francisco matches
their combination of quick-strike capability with grind it out, in-your-face
sort of power football.  That is why these are the two top teams in the
league, and why this is going to be a great game.

>>Dallas can run on anyone.  
>
>That's what they were saying about the Deadskins two days ago.

Who is "they", Michael?  I never heard anyone say that.  And even if "they"
were saying that, it's really true about the Cowboys.  They showed that
on Sunday, and all the previous Sundays throughout the year.

>>Dallas looked sharp, SF looked lethargic.  Barring injury it
>>should be a Dallas victory.
>
>It's really a shame you don't bet on these things.  (But I don't blame you.)
>
>They'll also be able
>to stuff the Dallas run, forcing air Leakman into multiple miscues and
>rather neutralizing Dallas' offense in general.

"Air Leakman" where do you get these idiocies?  Can't you even talk about
the game without spewing such nonsense?  Aikman was the second rated QB in
the league, behind Young.  He made *zero* mistakes against Philadelphia,
and I don't think even the most crazed 49er fan can claim that they have
a defense as good as the Eagles.

This is a game features the two top offenses in the NFL.  I rate them
basically equal in their ability to hold onto the ball and stuff it down
opponents' throats.  But the Cowboys have a better defense, along with
special teams.  Is that going to be enough to overcome San Francisco's
home field advantage?  That is the question to be answered.

Daniel Welch
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:19:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.223905.13840@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
[ other ranting deleted ]

>And to J. Gloria, the man with two gutless predictions for this weeks
>game.  Either 35-31 Cowboys or 37-17 49ers?  Don't stick your fucking
>neck out too far.  This only shows how much you fear the Cowboys, and
>believe me, you should.
>
Gee Richard, had too much sugar or caffeine today or the
opposite, not enough? Surely you must be jesting with me.
My predictions were done in jest/humor. I guess I forgot to
insert the :-) or :^). I know you must be scared because you
used the "f" word. It reflects a sign of fear/insecurity.
I being the MANLY MAN that I am will will NOT reply with such
immature statements! :^) I have repented and vowed never to
use vulgarities/name calling again. My net.love, ALN, has 
changed my ways. :^)  It is foolish at best to REALLY predict
a score. I think the odds are almost akin to picking the
lottery numbers. However, to insure my MANHOOD, here is my
prediction:  Niners 41  Dallas 27

>Here's a real man's prediction:
>
>Cowboys     24
>49ers       21
>
>-- 
>Richard Thompson
>richard@ods.com 
>

******* John P. Gloria ****** jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com *******

-- 
"A cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man,
and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher
From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:51:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.004630.15086@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <4JAN199313354112@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com> rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J) writes:
>> The Redskins will beat the 9ers this week!  There is no coach
>> in the game like Joe Gibbs.
>>
>
>There is no coach like George Seifert, no coach like Dennis Green,
>no coach like Levy, no coach like ........! Hey, they are all
>unique in their own right. Joe Gibbs is a true great/legend,
>but that will not always win ALL the games. If that were so,
>the 'Skins would have been the 70-90's team. NOT! This is not
>a knock on the organization and Gibbs. I can understand your
>loyalty, but let's put it in perspective. It will be a damn
>good game, coached by two of the best coaches and QB'd by two
>of the best QB's in the NFL. Bottom line: team that makes the
>less mistakes will win the game. Same as any NFL game! No?
>-- 

First of all, Gibbs was not coaching the Skins until the 1980's.

Second, there have been NONE BETTER than the Redskins since the 80's.
(Yes, the 49ers are also at that level, but you cannot convince me
that they have been better.  Denver has been a fine team over those
years as well).

Third, the reason for the success of the Redskins has been more
because of Gibbs than any other team/coach combination.  Hey,
GIBBS WON WITH SCHROEDER for crying out loud!  Give Joe Gibbs
a Hall-of-Fame QB like Montana or Elway during the 80's
and my point would be more clear.

As for your comment that SF and Wash have "two of the best QB's 
in the NFL", do you think any SF player would be willing to 
swap QB for this weeks game?  San Fran has a great QB; Washington
does not.
-- 
-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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From: clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SOCCER
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:39:12 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <93008.153830PSYRDR@BYUVM.BITNET>, <PSYRDR@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
> I E-mailed the following to Hammish and got a snotty reply.  It's a dumb joke,
> but here it is anyway:
> 
> Question:  Why do so many Scottish kids play soccer?
> 
> Answer:  So they don't have to watch it! :-)

Your just a joke pal if you thought that it was even remotely funny, I 
thought that the stuff that I posted was crap but this is the worst waste
of space I've seen for a long time, did you not reliese that the Crap Football
stuff was ment to be for a laugh, I got some American guys writing giving me
back up about the way it was so easy to wind up so many people about their
manlyhood and their love of American pie.
I find in life that the people who are the first to shout out about things
like being gay etc are the people that might be a little unsure about 
thenselves and that people who say nothing are people who are comfortable
with themselves, so perphaps those that sent all those silly flame letters
feel a little bit silly now?

Hamish, the mad Pict




> 
> It's just a joke.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:41:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan4.190732.12315@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
>In article <103575@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan3.220421.7381@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>FACTS:  The FAT LADY CHOKED and the DA BILLS came back
>>>to win the greatest come from behind game in  
>>>NFL HISTORY. 38-41
>>>
>>
>
>And guess what? This 'greatest comeback in NFL history', and almost
>certainly the greatest game in franchise history, WAS NOT SEEN IN
>BUFFALO! That's right, the game didn't sell out, and so the blackout
>was in effect. With the exception of those with access to satellite
>dishes, no one in Buffalo or Rochester saw this game.

The game was shown illegally in many,many packed bars in the Buffalo area,
in the Fort Erie, Ontario area (which is 20 minutes from Rich Stadium), and
most likely in Rochester bars. So, many fans saw it, although many more
didn't.
--Jim

>
>>>-- 
>>> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>>>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>>>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
>
>
>Don Pajerek
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Back to the future for the Buffalo fans
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:09:42 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec29.062606.8838@ccd.harris.com> dht@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran) writes:
>In article <Bzu4IJ.68p@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>Sunday Night, Buffalo at Houston. In Your Face!!
>>
>>Prediction: Buffalo 20
>>	    Houston 17
>
>Knock .... Knock .... on the heads of the Buffalo fans
>
>              "Anybody home ........."

Yes, we're home, and we're comin' in with Frank Reich and Andre Reed and
Henry Jones and Darryl Talley and the entire Buffalo organization and the
75,000+ faithful fans at Rich Stadium (including me) and will stage the
greatest comeback in NFL history (down 35-3 in the third, 41-38 win in OT).
I think you hear us knocking.
--Jim
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A rara avis of a woof for JPG...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:02:35 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
NNTP-Posting-Host: jpmac.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan12.024834.1766@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, 
marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:
> 
> In article <1isqg3INN4t7@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov 
(John Paul 
> Phillips) writes:
> >Before you squawk, remember that they couldn't beat the Cardinals. Every 
game
> >that they've played was close, except for the Falcons! They'll be lucky to
> >avert a goose egg against the top-ranked defense in the NFL! You watch and
> >see if the 9ers don't stuck their heads in the mud like ostriches and if 
the
> >fat lady don't start to imitate a  canary, and perform the 9ers' swan song 
> >before halftime! 
> 
> [...lots of really bad bird puns deleted...]
> 
> (OK, my tern :-))
> 
> Man, this guy is as crazy as a loon! Talk about being cuckoo...
> 

Hey, that was a cheep shot...

COWBOYS FOREVER!

           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
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From: nntas@decwks.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Tim A Sauerwein)
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:42:39 GMT

 (Eric Schnabel) writes:

   Just an casual observation from a casual armchair QB:

   I think John Madden is great! He takes some of the staleness out of the 
   otherwise very redundant commentary, and makes the game more entertaining. 

   Well, for the five or six other folks out there who like madden, here's 
   some of my favorite Madden-isms:

   PIGEONS IN THE NFL:
     During a Bears game this year, I remember Madden diagramming the 
     pigeons' movements at soldier field, and how they kept moving from
     one side of the field to another. Maddenwas saying things like "To be
     a pigeon in the NFL, you have to be quic k, and always play behind the
     offense...A good pigeon can read the plays, and understands the offensive
     schemes well...."

   GUY IN THE STANDS CATCHING A PASS
     Last year during the Dallas-Detroit playoff game when Kramer threw the
     ball through the end-zone to a guy in the stands (who made a very nice
     receprion..). Madden charts out the play and says, "Now here, kramer 
     is reading the "D", and looks off each receiver. He sees that his primary
     receiver is covered, and the Dallas secondary has good coverage on every
     body exept THIS guy... That's what the good quarterbacks can do, find
     the open receiver, even if it's a guy in the stands..."

   ALL MADDEN SELECTION OF CHRIS SPEILMAN
     Two years ago, Madden says "You've got to like a guy who can get a chunk
     of artificial turf stuck in the mask of his helmet... Now that's hard-nosed
     football!!
     football!!



   Any other good stories out there???????


I seem to remember a Thankgiving Game where they had a shot of the turkey
and Madden starts diagramming(with his video marker) about how to carve it
and what a you had to do to get the wishbone out intact or something like
that.  Classic!


Tim Sauerwein
NASA GSFC
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From: clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:43:06 GMT

In article <ddrumm.0nba@amiganet.chi.il.us>, ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.131408.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
> writes:
>>For the regular readers of this newsgroup, some of you might remember
>>a couple a artilcles written intiled crap football, well it's back after
>>a long absence.
>>American footballers are nothing but a bunch of pumped up junkies.To call
>>it a sport is an injustice to all proper sports.It seems to me more of
>>a competition to see who can take the most steroids without killing 
>>themselves, or getting caught.Well actually the chance of getting caught
>>is remote as the teams and the N.F.L seem to condone the the use of these
>>drugs, and are doing little to stop it.
>>What's the punishment for being the best college footballer and getting
>>caught using drugs? You get a mult-million dollar contract for one of
>>the best teams in the country.Call me stupid, but it's hardly
>>a deterent.
>>It's time drugs abuse was stoped in football.Then again if
>>they did that there would'nt be any decent players left.Without drugs
>>your guys would'nt even get a game for a school rugby team over here.
>>American Football is a sport? for wimps, and poofs without the commitment
>>to make it without drugs.
>>So chew on that you self-serving, arogant illigitimates.
>>
>>Real men play soccer
>>
>>Hamish
>  
>  
>         Hey Hamish, if American football is so bloody sorry, then why are all
> you poofters over there working so damn hard to get it started? I think I
> remember a team called the London Monarchs, or something faux-royal (as is
> everything over there) like that.
>         If you are so damn worried about drugs in sports, try seeing if you can
> get Maradona to stop sniffing blow.
>  I wish I had enough cash to power my nose every week end, and the tits who
are trying to get a football team started are arseholes with no real skill at
anything e.g the Strathclyde Universty American football team.  
>         You guys have been cranky since 1776.
>  
> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us