From: shibumi@turbo.bio.net (Kenton A. Hoover)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Spin doctor strikes again
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: shibumi@turbo.bio.net
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rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>>	(2)	when he allegedly created software which he used to kill
>>		any groups he did not like, on the Well, as has been
>>		reported here in the past week ... impact and duration
>>		of this 'prank' unknown.

>"As a person who was on the Well during the time, and a former staff member
> (Chief Engineer), this is not a correct statement of Andy's actions.  "

>How many engineers did you have under you, Kenton ... and what is there to
>engineer on a VAX 11/7xx, anyway ? I think calling yourself "Chief Engineer"
>of a BBS is ludicrous. Jeez. I remember logging into that thing back when it
>was brand new, when Captain Crunch told me how to login without credit card
>info, and PicoSpan was brand spanking new, and slow as a dog.

I guess this is a case of 'if you've seen one tree you've seen them all'.  
Your knowledge of the Well as it is today, or was two years ago, are both 
inaccurate.

>> What did happen is that after a set of events (that are up to the 
>> participants to decide if they wish to reveal), Andy wrote a program to that 
>> would remove postings from the Well.

>Lots of vagueness in this paragraph. This person, that person, the other per-
>-son. What I've been told is that there was a rmgroup / newgroup war, and bandy
>was in the middle of it. This does a lot to support the growing belief that
>this is bandy's SOP, and you'd do well to include all these details.

You might have noticed that the article you are quoting from was canceled.
That's because I realized we were talking about two different events.  So,
I removed my article, as inappropriate to the topic at hand.  As to my 
paragraph being 'vague', its only vague in that I didn't state what 
incident occurred, or who requested the production of the program involved.

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I'll cut to the chase here: I'd heard alot of nasty things about you.  I had
a frank and honest email exchange with you, and I told you at the time that I 
hadn't come to any negative conclusions about you.  I was specifically ignoring
the 'hearsay' evidence and was basing my conclusions on my own dealings with
you.  

However, I now have to say that your behavior and statements make it quite 
clear that the 'hearsay' is correct -- you are both extremely childish and 
factually inaccurate.  You accuse Andy of having some sort of 'vendetta' 
against you -- in fact, you accuse many people of having vendettas against 
you -- and argue that you are just revealing him for the true person that he 
is.  The only person you seem to have revealed anything about here is yourself. 
You are an abusive person with delusions of grandeur and I'm tired of the lies,
innuendo, and vague charges you throw about in some bizarre attempt to 
reinforce your self-esteem and feelings of persecution.  When someone chooses 
to correct you on the factual points, you respond that they are wrong, attack 
their personal and professional credibility (much as you claim you are attacked
by others), and insist on 'proof', when you are the one making the
unsubstantiated allegations.  Well, in the proving department, you've already 
done enough proving about your true character to me.  I didn't need to listen
to the 'hearsay' -- your own remarks and behavior provide more than enough
proof that the 'lies' you claim others say about you are only too true.

I think that you set these situations up, so that you can have an opportunity
to express the anger you have bottled up at others who are 'persecuting' you.
I hope that you have gotten whatever it was you were looking for here.

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