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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: VAlue of money
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:20:19 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan7.042753.14116@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
> I bring this topic forward becuase of contrasting economic policies of
> various nations.
> 	For those who may be interested to study more, please read the
> articles in Fortune concerning the german central bank.
> 	During the last election in Malaysia the government defends its policy
> of devaluing Malaysian ringgit and they won the election. The argument brought
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	You are kind of implying they won the election by devaluing the
ringgit.  They will win elections regardless of policy they are implementing. 
I think the rationale for devaluing the money is to help our exports. 
Afterall, the current trade account is not in our favor.  I believe the trade
deficit is quite substantial.  This is understandable since our economy is
booming and everyone can afford to buy namebrand (a.k.a foreign) products.  On
the other hand,  inflation will definitely goes up. 

> forward was that it will cost billions to maintain the value of the ringgit.
> 
> It strikes me as though the billions actually come from my savings. It is a
> licence to steal/tax people's money efficiently. But is it fair to the majority?
> 
> Those who borrow a lot will gain during a devaluation because property prices
> remain high after all physical objects and imports will be priced realistically.
> 
> Singapore has chosen the strenghtening of its currency. the same with Germany.
> Britain tried to do it but it is too expensive for them becuase it has too much
> government deficit.
> 
> The ringgit starts to drop again in liew of the current royalty battle. Could it
> be the government spending money campaining?
> 
> I can bet that during election time, the ringgit will drop in value again,
> with the government printing more money.

	The drop in ringgit due to current royalty battle is because of
political uncertainty.  It has nothing to do with government spending money
campaining.   Also, how does drop in ringgit have to do with government
printing more money ?


Jack Teh

> 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:8984 alt.stupidity:3595
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.stupidity
Subject: Re: Facts do not exist...
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:33:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan12.034417.27487@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
>brett mcinnes (matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
>: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
>: : othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg  writes in soc.culture.asean
>: : : 
>: : : Facts need not be 100% accurate because there is no such thing.
>
>
>Strange that you do not even contribute any observations! Are you still waiting
>for the 100% accurate and verified facts? Maybe you should read only journals,
>but how come there are so many reviewers and mistakes in published journals?
>
>Maybe you trust your newspapers 100%?
>Or is it your view that using common sense is a Joke?
>
>Or should usenet use your style instead? 
>Statements like "A true classic", devoid of any common sense, observation,
>or even relevance.
>
>Do you do that because you are still waiting for that 100% facts?
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,

[ Sc*** it. I didn't want to get into this again, but sorry to the people
out there. I really can't let this go by... My apologies for starting it.. ]

All right, let's contribute some observations.
Singapore is south of Malaysia. Is this a 100% fact? Certainly.
Pak Othman is a person, is this 100% certain? Unquestionable.
I am a citizen of Malysia. My passport says so, and I say so. 100%.
Have there been any Nobel Prizes awarded to ex-Malaysians? I don't know,
but the answer is EITHER yes or no. It is either a fact, or it isn't.
Whether there are such people around, or there aren't, is TOTALLY
INDEPENDENT of whether journals are 100% verifiable.

PLEASE, Pak Othman. If you want to discuss the merits of journals,
do it somewhere else. At the same time, please go take down a dictionary
and read what exactly a _fact_ is. You used it, you take the responsibility
for the statement. Someone just xposted your words of knowledge to
alt.stupidity. Get a clue. I hope the last statement was relevant enough
for you.

Chua
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[FOLLOWUPS TO ALT.FLAME]       

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: IN: Xanana interview - a forwarded msg
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:44:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.215508.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>In article <1hub2lINNnde@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra) writes:
>> In a previous article, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) says:
>
>>>I mean, are you ashamed to have the blood of East Timorese on your hands,
>>>considering they never wanted to be part of Indonesia.  Indonesia occupied
>>>East Timor after a military takeover of the island.
>
>> 	how about you, rod ...?
>> 	are you ashamed to have poor Aborigines on your hand 
>> 	considering they never wanted to be part of you ?
>
>I am not ashamed that there are poor people in Australia.  I am saddened that
>you make the generalisation that they are Aborigines...
>
>You don't seem to understand that there is now social equity in Australia.
>
	
	Just like you Australians: We don't know nothing, Australians knows
everything. Now who's making the generalization?

>And believe me, native Australians are Australians, I am an Australian.
>
>I am also an Australian native...
>
>Hypocrite! 

	You shouldn't be shouting your alias out loud here in the net.
People might call you that instead of your own pathetic name!

>
>Rod
>--
>|            . . .   . . . . .          "It leaves us galloping up Diarrhoea|
>|        +  +  +     +  +  +  +  +                  Drive without a saddle."|
>|    *   *   *       *   *   *   *   *                                      |
>|R    o    d         S    w    i    f    t        -- Kryten from "Red Dwarf"|
>+-----------------------------------+---------+-----------------------------+
>|  Curtin University of Technology  |  Perth  |  RSWIFTRW@cc.Curtin.edu.au  |
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ...what a game...
Keywords: Tech beat the devil out of DOOK
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:14:48 GMT
Organization: The North Ave. Trade School, Atlanta, GA 30332


	I figured it would be a great way to start my 1993 season!
	Tech stung Dook on the ass.

	I forgave the apparent favoritism displayed by the referees
	towards DOOK.  BTW, good talents displayed by the DOOK team
	esp hurley...maybe he can move over to Tinseltown and 
	become a good actor someday.

	arghhh...yessss...the good guys always prevail!!!
	
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* E.A. Jaafar.  North Ave. Trade School, Atlanta, GA 30332.                   *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: Income Tax
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:33:47 GMT

Kok Liang Foo (q0c192@rick.cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
: Does anyone (should have) know what is the income tax rate in
: Singapore and Malaysia are ?
: Thanks

If your income is less than 100000 in either currency, it will be about 
10% so I can say that the income tax in Singapore is lower than Malaysia.
: 
: 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:58:51 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <9301120520.AA06525@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, C580503@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo) writes:

>     Recent uproar over the Malaysian tourists incident in Boston maybe linked
> to those hundreds of illegal Malaysians workers in New York/Boston area (mostly
> working in restaurants, I know because my relative owns one!) got the INS
> aroused as most tourists (mostly between 30 - 40s) would disappear
> after the "tour" (end-up as working in restaurants in Chinatown).  But so far,
> I have not heard of any criminal activities involving Malaysian who are here
> illegally.
> 
	I've heard stories that a lot of Malaysians working here run up their
credit cards before they moved back to Malaysia for good.  I also heard that it
is a widespread practice in NY city to use stolen phone card to call back to
Malaysia.

Jack Teh




>     So, what do you people think?  Who is to blame? or rather what is
> to blame here?  People ends up moving out of their country, in search of
> better life, only to find more misery and thus create social problems for
> another country.  Luckily, this is not always true.  There are success
> stories but few and apart.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Albert Foo                            |
> Biometric Computer Consultant         | "Red alert, shields up!" - Kira
> Fisheries and Wildlife Research Ctr.  |
> MO. Dept. of Conservation             | "What shields?" - O'Brien
> Email: c580503@mizzou1.bitnet         |
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:22:29 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan7.082436.8095@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
                                                               
>  There is one slight difference between CPF and unemployment benefits.
> Namely, you spend CPF on yourself. In the case of unemployment benefits,
> the government spends your money on someone else. A mere bagatelle, I
> know. After all, who cares about money?                                  
> : 

	You would not say this if you are the someone else who got lay off and
has a wife and three children to support.


Jack Teh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jchoo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jon Haw Choo)
Subject: Seeking help from someone from Univ. of Oregon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:53:12 GMT

Seeking help from somebody from University of Oregon to locate
Mr Gavin Tay, President of Singapore Student Association for me

Please contact me as soon as possible, email jchoo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Jon-Haw Choo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: VAlue of money
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:22:52 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1993Jan7.042753.14116@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
[bandwidth redcution]
|>      During the last election in Malaysia the government defends its policy
|> of devaluing Malaysian ringgit and they won the election. The argument brought
|> forward was that it will cost billions to maintain the value of the ringgit.
.........
|> Singapore has chosen the strenghtening of its currency. the same with Germany.
|> Britain tried to do it but it is too expensive for them becuase it has too much
|> government deficit.
.........
From a simplistic, amateurish macro-economics point of view, a country
would gain from currency devaluation if it's exports of goods and
services is higher than it's imports.  Otherwise any short term gains
will be loss.

Comments?

...Kyle
From: ssrzakar@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (M. S. Zakaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Income Tax
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:02:25 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


>Kok Liang Foo (q0c192@rick.cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: Does anyone (should have) know what is the income tax rate in
>: Singapore and Malaysia are ?
>: Thanks

Malaysia:

Individual                         Company
==========                         =======

Taxable Income (RM)      Rate      Taxable Income (RM)        Rate
-------------------      ----      -------------------        ----
1-2500                    2%       1-10000                     4%
2501-5000                 5%       10001-20000                 6%
5001-10000                8%       20001-30000                 9%
10001-20000              10%       30001-40000                12%
20001-35000              15%       40001-50000                15%
35001-50000              21%       50001-75000                19%
50001-70000              26%       75001-100000               23%
70001-100000             31%       100001-150000              27%
> 100000                 34%       150001-250000              30%
                                   250001-500000              33%
                                   > 500000                   35%


e.g Taxable income 6000.00

Tax on first 2500 @2%    =     50.00
Tax on next 2500 @5%     =    125.00
Tax on remaining 1000 @ 8 % =  80.00

Income Tax                    225.00
From: cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Looking for 1-800 numbers for travel agents in L.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:58:49 GMT

In article <C0C6AB.GyH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@pittsburg.compsci.edu ((Joe__)) writes:
|> 
|> hello,
|> if anyone has the 1-800 numbers for travel agents in L.A. or
|> any other agents that give discounts fares, would appreciate
|> if you could forward the numbers via email.
|> thanks

Beware of those agents which give discounted fare.  I have heard some
news that someone bought a discounted ticket, and arrived at the
airport to find out that he was still in the waiting list.  My advice
is: after you get the ticket, call the airline reservation office 
personally to check you status, at reasonable frequency.

Kelvin
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: And now for something completely different... =)
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:21:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Extracted from :-
Singapore Daze
++++++++++++++
A twice weekly bulletin featuring local news snippets from
Singapore publications. Issue #20: 9-11 Jan 1993

3    >Artist drinks his own urine<

(Sun Times, 10 Jan) An overnight arts event to usher in the new
year took a surprise turn when an artist went on stage, urinated
into a cup and drank his urine in front of about 60 people. He
sat down to face the audience. He talked about the state of the
arts and took sips from the cup. Later he gulped down the rest.
Reactions to this act was mixed. Mr Liew Chin Choy, NAC's
director of arts programs said when the performance was described
to him that "It's not in good taste. It's crude and repulsive.
What is the world coming to? There are artists who can make the
same statement in a more acceptable way." Mr Ng Sek San, a
landscape architect said, "It was a powerful statement about how
the little sacrifices we make can make a big change'.


Chua
+==+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:10:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.015319.23551@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
|> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
|> : Use your common sense.
|> : 
|> Somebody tell me he's joking. Please tell me he's joking.                       
|> 
If this is your first exposure to our reknowned En. Othman -- welcome
to sca-net.  The trick of maintaining your cool and preventing hair
loss is to take 10 deep breaths and think of pleasant things before
and after reading each of En. Otheman's post.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A previous challenge to Pak Othman...
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:14:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan9.023533.27039@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
>Are you the guy who emailed me? I do not respond to email anymore but I will
>respond to this.
I think it would be wiser if you responded by email when people do email you,
to save bandwidth ( and lots of frustration... ) on the group.

Whether or not "chu of superconductivity" fame or "Sze Ye" are actually    
Malaysians, or have won/nominated for the Nobel Prize, I think you should have
tried to check with a RELIABLE source instead of blurting out that some
Malaysian Chinese had "won the Nobel Prize etc etc etc." ( I believe in your
original post you mentioned more than one. ) and not acknowledged their
nationality. Your accusation is more serious than you might think.

Stick to the facts, Pak Othman. Rumors are just wishful thinking. It
certainly throws a bad light on your posts, and makes one wonder about
the reliability of your sources.

Anyway, I'd still like to hear more about whether the two above are really
M'sians, and if anybody does know more about prominent Malaysian scientists,
I'd certainly like to know more about them too.

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>

Chua
+==+

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.singapore is up!
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:06:14 GMT

muntuck@bombay.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (MunTuck Yap) writes:

>    With due respects to Singaporeans, are there anything exciting or even
>    remotely interesting happening in Singapore? What do Singaporeans do
>    for fun?

Jeez, what a guy! If you do not call this flame baiting, I do not know what 
is. You want to know what is exciting in Singapore - try reading SIF's news on 
the internet gopher. Politics, arts (we even had somebody drinking their piss 
lately), the vibrant economy - I figured you never worked in the financial 
services/brokerage industry before. Also the nightlife of Bugis Street, 
Chinatown, the clubs/pubs by the River. Pleeeeeease, not everyone is like 
Othman who is cooped (sic?) up in front of his terminal wanting a say in 
everything on the internet. 

Before you make such sweeping statements again, I urge you to try SIA's free 
City Tours for el cheapos that are on transit. :-)



v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:25:32 GMT

fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
: In article <1993Jan7.082436.8095@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
:                                                                
: >  There is one slight difference between CPF and unemployment benefits.
: > Namely, you spend CPF on yourself. In the case of unemployment benefits,
: > the government spends your money on someone else. A mere bagatelle, I
: > know. After all, who cares about money?                                  
: > : 
: 
: 	You would not say this if you are the someone else who got lay off and
: has a wife and three children to support.
: 
: 
How do you know?:
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:09:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Tee writes:-

>Hi all Netters;

>	One thing that I have known for sure is that most of the illegal
>Indonesians are Muslim. That probably is the reason for our government
>to keep those people in our land. I don't believe on the explanation which was
>given by the government says that our country  needs skilled and cheap workers.
>If we really need some skilled workers, the best workers to keep, are not those
>crazy Indonesians, but those refugees in Pulau Pilong(?) who I believe will
>certainly more skillful than those Indonesian. 

In what way are they more skilled? And what if these "refugees" commit the very 
same crimes that you say Indonesians have done? And there probably aren't enoughof them to sastify Malaysia's burgeoning need for labor...

>	Can anybody tell me in what sence those Illegal Indonesian can
>contribute to the development of our country. Most of employers using those
>illegal Workers because  it is true that those worker are certainly 
>cheaper than the local legal worker; but in the long term it seems does not
>help because those illegal worker will bring all the have earn back to their to
>their country. That means the currency of our country will flow out and later
>affect our entire economy circle. Once our economy become weeker, the price of
>those raw materia will certainlly drop. This means that those employer will not
>save their money by employing those Illegal worker. In long term, they will
>just loosing more than what they have save. 
Hmm... but of course, the employers will be able to make a profit by 
possibly exporting their goods which these workers helped put down the
infrastructure for or produced, bringing in more foreign dollars anyway.
It's not a closed system, after all. 

>TEE 
>BY ANGER.

Chua
+==+
From: todlc@win4.vut.EDU.AU (Lian C Todd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: hello
Summary: glad to know this network exist
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:59:02 GMT
Organization: Victoria University Of Technology, Melbourne, Australia

i
 I am an ex-student who is now working and living in Australia
 This is my first foray into the world of bulletin boards and I am
pleased to find something from 'home'.  Good to see such interest in
food, an issue uppermost in most 'good' Aseans!  and some discussions
re political issues.  I shall be 'tuning in' regularly.  
Cheers!
Lian Todd

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Why so quiet?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:26:37 GMT

After not typing for 1 full month I feel a little bit uneasy and slow so do
not like to talk too much.

Why not much cotroversial topics although there are a lot of new developments
in Malaysia?
From: davidf@zoomer.wpd.sgi.com (David Fenstemaker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Sibu - St. Elizibeth
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:53:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.


Did any one out there attend St. Elizibeth in Sibu, Sarawak between
1979-1983?

David