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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.154357.23627@u.washington.edu>,
distef@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Distefano) wrote:
> 
> What is it about dalmation breeding that causes so many of 
> them to be deaf?  I've known about 3 congenitally deaf
> dalmations and 0 other deaf dogs (unless they were deaf
> because of age).
> 
> Sandra
> distef@u.washington.edu

If someone here on the net has the answer...I'd sure like to hear it !!
Deafness is genetic in Dalmatians *and* other breeds.  They have been
studying it for many, many, many years and still don't have an answer.
It is not a simple recessive gene that causes deafness, therefore breeding
two deaf dogs will not yield a litter of deaf puppies.  Research forges
on....but very few answers are being found !!

BTW, Australian Cattle Dogs also have a problem with deafness....back in 
the late 1800's Dalmatian blood was introduced into the development of
the ACD to "improve the breed's rapport with horses".  The other
interesting "side effect" of the Dalmatian cross in the ACD (we are 
not too fond of the  deafness, needless to say !!), is that ACD pups are
born white and develop their color at approximately 3 weeks of age.
Just a little bit of ACD trivia  (You never know when it will come in 
handy) !!

Kathy
----------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
The pool continues to grow (almost as quickly as Oreo continues 
to grow  :-).......Kayti guesses 7 (all boys she says !!)
                         Holly guesses 8 (weenied out of her first guess of
20)
                         Marla predicts 9 (and that they'll arrive on time)
                         Betsy has 11 (she called it first !!)
                         and Kay says 12
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh ohn
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:55:41 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

My first dog, a basset hound, had one truely memorial day when she ate all the
plastic parts on the vacumm cleaner and attachments, and all the buttons
(including some fabric) from my mom's cashmere coat.  Good thing Mom was 
crazy about her.

Our dobe ate the cushions on our couch and loveseat, and a huge whole in
the center of an very intricate fisherman's afghan that it had taken me
months to make.  We managed, with great self control not to kill her.  Our
youngest dog is another basset - she was crated during her destructive years
when we weren't home.  It takes us awhile to learn .......
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: Grt Pyr article in Dog Fancy
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:36:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Nov5.153638.3570
Organization: AT&T

In that article they have the CUTEST puppy picture
I have EVERY seen!  It's the one that they put in
the front of the magazine to advertize the article.

The puppy just has this face that says "I just did
something dreadfully wicked but if I look REAL cute
no one can accuse me...."
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Dog Club informational ads
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:29:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.011823.16318@mdd.comm.mot.com> prager@mdd.comm.mot.com (David Prager) writes:
>Most dog clubs claim as part of their charter to provide education to the
>public on the subject of dogs. Breed clubs too are usually active in providing
>education, though mostly on their specific breed. Recently our local paper
>ran an ad for puppies. A number of people inquired about the pups and then
>called myself or other members of our regional breed club. It seems the people
>who ran the ad are selling unregistered (for at least two generations) puppies
>and have not done the checks that are normally done by conscientious breeders.
>They are also alegedly maligning the regional and national clubs; claiming
>they restrict membership and fix prices. Right!
>
>Some say it's their business.  Caveat Emptor. Others claim the responsible
>breeders should do something. The consensus is to run a simple ad with our
>clubs name and secretaries phone number. It is hoped that potential puppy
>buyers will see the ad and get in touch with the club for good information.
>
>This idea has caused something of a rift within our club. We've never
>advertised before; making this look like a true kneejerk reaction. In my
>opinion, I disagree with what these people are doing but I can't stop them.
>I've never seen club ads in newspapers but I'm told they are not uncommon.
>Will placing an ad such as I've described be construed as informative or
>simply vindictive?

	The Golden Retriever Club of Columbus, Ohio has placed an add every
other week in the Columbus Dispatch advertising breed info, obedience classes,
and puppy referrals for a number of years now.
	IMHO such adds are informative and useful. If we don't provide a phone
number for a club contact person for the general public in a place where
many/most people can find the information, how will they hear about
responsible breeders? Of course, prospective buyers can go to dog show to meet
knowledgeable breeders; however, dog shows are usually not especially well
publicized. Without advertising in the local newspaper or the yellow pages
(as Central Ohio KC does), I'm afraid that many buyers just won't know where to
call to find a "good" dog.
	We've found at least 20 people call our contact person for each add that
we place in the Sunday newspaper. If your club decides to place an add, please
let us know what kind of responses you receive. Good luck!

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
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From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Delta Society and Pet Therapy
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:30:22 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center

I am just getting started in participating with my local SPCA with the Pet
Therapy program.  My lab, Winston, and I are about to start the training to get
certified by the Delta Society.  I am very excited about it and think that
Winston and I will benefit from being able to help someone out by the
relationships and bonds that form between patient and pet to help them recover.

Is anyone involved with pet therapy or associated with the Delta Society?  I
welcome any experiences you can share or advise.  Please post to the net if you
think others may benefit.

Thanks,

Karen Roop
Swarthmore College
Computing Center

roop@cc.swarthmore.edu
From: eghbalni@spectra.com (Hamid Eghbalnia)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs, travel and acclimatizing
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:00:11 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation


	A friend is moving from a warm climate (CA) to cold climate (WI).
	He is planning to drive to WI and take his dog (big dog) along.  
	Two questions:

	1. Are there hotels/motels along the way that accept pets?
	How does one find out where & who they are?

	2. How can the dog be helped to cope with the acclimatization
	once he gets there?


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog Club Informational Ads
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:29:06 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In Calgary, Alberta, there is an all-breed club called Calgary Associated Dog
Fanciers.  It does not run shows or trials, but concentrates on educational and
health-related stuff.  For example, it runs eye examination clinics, blood test
clinics, seminars bringing in well-known speakers on HD, canine behaviour and
psychology, etc.

It also runs a regular ad in the classified Pets section of the local paper,
the Calgary Herald.  This ad has been running around 4 times a week for years,
and simply says something like "Call this number for breeders of purebred dogs,
and obedience classes, etc,"   Callers reach a club member who has a list of
recommended local breeders and obedience classes.

Local breeders and people who run classes can get on the list by filling in a
form and paying a donation to CADF.  These are updated every year.  Any
complaints about anyone in CADF's file are investigated to see if that person
should be dropped from the list.

This ad is tremendously successful - it has been running for many years and
generates lots of calls.  People call just to ask questions about dogs, and so
CADF always ensures that a knowledgable club member answers the phone.  CADF
has a permanent phone number which can be switched to another club member's 
phone number when the first member gets burnout or needs a vacation.  The PR 
is invaluable, encouraging puppy buyers to look for reliable local breeders 
and responsible dog trainers.

I can't think why any dog club, either one-breed or all-breed, would be against
such a plan, if they had the money available to run an ad and members willing
to answer the phone.  CADF pays for theirs through donations (as above, from 
the breeders and trainers on the list), from their clinics and seminars, and 
from memberships in the association.

Stef   
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: maryd@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (M.Dugan)
Subject: Lyme disease shots a good idea?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:55:04 GMT
Keywords: lyme disease

When Cassi was getting her yearly shots a few weeks ago, the vet
asked if I wanted him to give her the shot for lyme disease.  I
decided not to for now; we'll reconsider in the Spring.

What do you think?  It's not cheap, and if it's not necessary I'd
rather not.  Although there are lots of deer around the small town we
live in, she is a total homebody.  She is never in the woods--we get
our exercise in an empty field behind the house.  The vet said he
strongly recommends it for dogs that spend time in places where there
are certain to be deer (e.g., on the riverbank), but he only offers
it as an option to pups like mine.

Opinions?
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Itchy & Scratchy
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu

GB>As the weather is getting colder now, Spenser is suffering from dry skin.  I
GB>seem to recall using a powder food additive to moisturize doggy skin in the
GB>past.  Of course, now I can't remember what the stuff is called.  Does this
GB>sound familiar to anyone?  Or have I hallucinated the whole thing?  If any-
GB>one has any other reccomendations, please share them.  Thanks!!

Dear Spenser the Wonder Sniffer,
I think your mom is talking about Mira-Coat, it is a food supplement
that is good for dogs coats. She also might want to try adding a little
baby oil to your rinse water, a teaspoon of corn-oil to your food or if
the coat and skin get really dry a Hot Oil Treatment(this worked wonders
for Sable's coat).

Bye,
Kathleen
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: susan@uvmark.uucp (Susan Todhunter - (JWT))
Subject: Re: Abuse/Animal Rights
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:36:28 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

A poster (who clearly likes animals) writes:

>HOWEVER, I strongly disagree that animals have any kind of rights.  I think    
>this detracts from the issues.  Animals have absolutely NO  rights! 

The first definition of the word "animal" in most dictionaries includes humans.
Of course, one could easily argue that humans have absolutely no rights, as
rights are something created by and granted within a society, rather than some-
thing that is a part of our natural make-up.  We choose, in our society, to
endow humans with certain rights.  We could also choose to extend some of
these rights to non-human animals.

-- 

  Susan Todhunter
 
  Internet: uvmark!susan@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk!uvmark!susan
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kadwell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Misty Kadwell)
Subject: N. American or European GSD?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: Everywhere
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:09:36 GMT

Hi. This is my first-ever posting to the network. I hope it works!

I am planning an addition to my family - a German Shepherd puppy. I've spoken to quite a few breeders, have been reading the Monks' books, and have also gotten advice from Kay and her new "baby", Siegfried.

What are the main differences between the North American German Shepherds and the European German Shepherds? ($Besides the big bucks?$) I have spoken with some North American GSD breeders, and asked their opinions. One breeder told me that the NA dogs are prettier, larger, somewhat softer in temperament, and generally easier to handle. She said that the European dogs (in her opinion) are not as pretty, smaller, have a high-drive which is difficult to tone-down and don't make very good family dogs. They are



 bred to work. She said that they begin training at 4 weeks, learning to pull/tear on towels, and encouraged to be aggressive.
I have left messages for the European GSD breeders to call me. Hopefully I will hear from them tonight.

In Canada, North American GS dogs are $500 + for a female, $700 + for a male. The European GS dogs are $750 + for a female, $1,000 + for a male. These are prices for "pet-only" dogs; you have to agree not to show or breed them. Dogs for breeding/showing are much more expensive.
If anybody out there has any information that they can share with me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks muchly.

Misty
kadwell@mdd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Urinary tract infection
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:37:37 GMT

I could really use some net wisdom on this one! I've been spending a lot of time
on the phone this week talking to a very sad puppy buyer and I'd like to give
her some good advice, but I've never heard of this kind of problem before.
I'd really like to hear from any of you who have had similar problems. Here's
the background:

	I sold Ozzie (golden retriever puppy, almost 3 months old) to Colleen
early in October. Since then, he's developed a urinary tract infection with
some crystals in his urine. The external symptoms of his problem are drinking a
lot of water and needing to go outside frequently. Ozzie has been on Amoxicillin
for one week with no improvement. Yesterday, Colleen was told by her vet that
because Ozzie has crystals in his urine now, that he will always be predisposed
to having these crystals. The vet also said that Ozzie will need to be on
a special diet his entire life and should have monthly urine tests done for a
least a year. He also discussed the possibility of surgery for Ozzie. As you
can imagine, Colleen is very depresssed about this. And as you can imagine,
I feel very bad for Colleen and Ozzie.
	Colleen was told by her vet that Ozzie has crystals in his urine
because: (1) of the bacterial infection and (2) that he was fed Purina
Pro-Plan which causes the crystals to form in the presence of bacteria.
Colleen thought her vet said that "bad" ingredients in Pro-Plan were magnesium
and phosphates. I thought that all dog foods would contain magnesium and
phosphates, but I haven't had the time to check into this yet (I just heard
this last night). HAS ANYONE HEARD OF ANY PROBLEMS LIKE THIS WITH PRO-PLAN?
	For those of you kind netters who might be concerned about Ozzie, I
can tell you that the vet has him on a different antibiotic and a prescription
diet which will supposedly dissolve the crystals. I just left a message on
Colleen's answering machine that I would pay for a second opinion if Ozzie
doesn't improve soon. The only good news is that Ozzie is the only puppy that
seems to have this problem. The others have stayed healthy.

Any information/insights which any of you might have on Pro-Plan causing
urinary crystals or on urinary tract infections coupled with urinary crystals
in puppies would be greatly appreciated.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
********************************************************************************

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Dog Club informational ads
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:31:25 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

	I haven't seen a dog club ad in the *Austin American-Statesman*
(not to say there aren't, just I haven't seen any); but the Pot-Bellied
Pig Club has been running ads which consist of brief information, "Call
before you buy," and their number.

	Sounds good to me.  Even before I knew about *Dog World* and going
to dog shows, I would have called a local club *if I'd known about one*
before I followed up an ad in the paper.

	Please remember:  not everyone *knows* why it's not a good idea to
buy from pet stores or backyard breeders; not everyone knows why it's not a
good idea to be a backyard breeder; this doesn't make them stupid or
malicious, just ignorant:  and ignorance can be cured (though not by god-
like superiority on the part of the authority).

	I'd say run the ad.  Make it more general than just your breed.
Then educate!  Nobody loses, except scumbag puppy mills.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog run problem
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: msmith@convex.com

MS>When she does, I go out and hold her muzzle shut and tall her
MS>NO BARK. This method worked just fine when crate training, after
MS>a few nights she stopped. But I can't seem to break it with
MS>her in the dog run. If I lived out in an isolated area, I'd
MS>let her yelp and bark till she realized that it didn't get her
MS>anywhere, but using that method would only piss the neighbors off.
MS>I really don't want to spend the money on a bark collar right now,
MS>especially with Christmas comming up, and 15 people to buy gifts
MS>for(man I wish we'd draw names or something:^). Well, any
MS>suggestions from the net? Any advice would be greatfull.

Try a water gun, a SuperSoaker works great as you can spray from a
distance. I have used a water gun to train my dogs against all sorts bad
habits, jumping on the windows, digging, barking etc...At one time I
used a spray bottle but it does not have the range. I borrowed my sons
supersoaker and it allows me to shoot out the window, up to 50 feet and
still spray the dog. This works great for digging, when I would go out
to correct for digging they would stop and I would have to take them to
the spot and give verbal reprimand. Now I just shoot the water out the
window and they are caught in the act. After a few sprays the digging
stopped.

Kathleen Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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 . OLX 2.1 . Even a broken clock is right...........Twice a day!
                                                                                    
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: question about hunting tests
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:09:30 GMT

This weekend I went to my first hunting test.  I went for 2 reasons.
First, I was interested in it for general reasons, and second, I am
looking for something interesting to do with Jasper (my Weimaraner).
I spent some time with a man who had 4 German Shorthair Pointers
there, and some more time with one of the women form my Weimaraner
club, who had 2 Weims entered in Junior Hunter.  I followed the
judges, these people and their dogs through the woods (at a discreet
distance) and into the bird field (I had to stay in one corner, out of
the way).  Maybe it was because all I watched was Junior hunter, but
it seemed like the dogs had no idea they were being judged--they were
just out there having a great time finding birds.  All in all, it was
a lot of fun, and I intend to see if Jasper is up to the test in the
spring (seems this was the last event of the year).

Now for my question.  Both owners told me (quietly) that they were
concerned because the other dogs in the braces were Setters (one was a
Gordon and the other was an English), and that the event was being
sponsored by the Gordon Setter club.  In practice, this didn't make a
difference since their dogs all qualified.  However, I noticed that
the English came up just short of qualifying, and yet he flushed 3
birds (he only pointed at 1, though) to the Weimaraner's 1, and he
seemed much more active.  The same thing happened with the Gordon and
GSP, but the Gordon qualified.  The Weimaraner owner told me that she
entered a dog in a Hunt Test once and it pointed at 3 birds to none
for the other (a different breed), yet it scored lower in bird
finding!  She also said she worried because a Weim works differently
than a Setter, and only a judge who knows Weims would know this.  So
what's going on?  Since I know nothing about all this stuff, I was
wondering if it could be explained because of differences between the
individual judges, or maybe the judges are looking at things that I
didn't look for, or maybe the worst judges are assigned to Junior
Hunter, or what?

Barry
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Subject: Re: phone number for AKC?
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:11:57 GMT

In article <exujlg.169.0@exu.ericsson.se> exujlg@exu.ericsson.se (Jon L. Gauthier) writes:
>
>Does the AKC have a published telephone number I can call?
>
>Jon L. Gauthier                                 Ericsson Network Systems, Inc
>e-mail:  exujlg@exu.ericsson.se, exu.exujlg@memo.ericsson.se


AKC registration - 1-919-493-7396
AKC customer relations - 1-212-696-8200
AKC Performance Events (Obedience & Herding) - 1-212-696-8276