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From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:38:38 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <thaaang.721931083@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>>>body.  This what-his-name is simply a media creation exploiting a
>>>>legitimate art for by co-opting it for the white masses, or in other
>>>>words, doing just what he used to do as a member of NKOTB.  I mean, why
>>>>isn't he treated with the same dismissiveness as Vanilla Ice was?  I
>>
>>This is disturbing. Is 'White rapper' an oxymoron?

>Close to it.  Let's just say that someone who pretends to be a rapper
>and is white has a few more credentials to prove before being taken
>seriously.  This guy is just from the same hit engine as NKOTB (don't
>give me this crap about being unaffiliated--he's the brother of one of
>them, and I say that as someone born and bred in Dorchester, home of
>Steve Dyer, Donna Summer, _New Edition_, Marky Mark and NKOTB.)

>>(and NKOTB
>>was hardly 'exploiting a black art' anyway, unless the boundaries
>>for 'black territory' encompassed a lot more than I'd thought...)

>Well, it's probably seems that way in Nebraska.  NKOTB was simply
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gawsh Mistofer Dyer, Johhny D an' meself jes ain't possible as 
sofitikated as youse 'cause we'uns lives in these hear sticks. An' as 
allun people no, ain't know blacks or any of there kultur hear or nutin'
else but corn 'n ' beans.  I tink Johnny D red & sawed a buk once tho.  An' 
heck, I war so cornfused livin'  a year in Londumb an' Gherminy thet I
culdn't seem to git any of that thar sofitikation but Johnny, him 
have more 'cause he lives in a really, really big town.  But I shore 
do 'pologize for Johnny D fur bein' silly  an' tinkin' he culd figger 
out sumpin or larn sumpin 'cause he be livin' in the boonies.


Colburn Eigen                                  H|u> = E|u>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Blah, blah, I want your blood
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:58:04 GMT

In article <thaaang.722047877@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) 
writes:

>A local radio station was holding a promotion for _Dracula_ where
>a person could get 2 free passes to the premiere by donating blood.
>Needless to say, I wasn't able to get tickets through that venue...

>John, feeling tainted

Here at NYU's on site blood donation center, the only questions asked in the 
interview process are about your medical history, although a lot of them are 
about AIDS symptoms.  When you are actually hooked up for transfusion, you 
are given a totally confidential form to complete which explains the risks
of multiple partners, gay sex, drug users, etc. and asks that if you fall 
into one of these categories that you designate your blood for research only.
I don't exactly know what they do with "research only" blood, but certainly 
no one would be turned away from donating on the basis of sexual orientation
alone.

And we never get free movies tickets...its usually just tacky t-shirts 
which are never in my size anyway.  But the juice and cookies make it all 
worthwhile!

Emily
From: bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:10:50 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Xxdate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:07:07 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

In article <17520@borg.cs.unc.edu> Trey Harris, harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu
writes:
>>P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
>>	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
>>	on gay people?
>>
>Does anyone have the full text of his speech?  I certainly hope that
>they quoted wrong or out of context.

Dear Trey Harris,

     I subscribe to the Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents.
It carries transcripts of every public word that the President says.
Unfortunately, Bush is still the president, so it only has transcripts
of events he goes to.  (I therefore have transcripts of all three
of the debates, by the way.)

     Once Clinton is President, I will begin to receive transcripts of
what he says each day.  I promise, that if someone doesn't beat me to
it that I will post a transcript of his executive order banning
discrimination
in the military.  Please allow three weeks for me to do this, as it
takes that long for bulk rate mail from Washington DC to get to me.

Bryan

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Some sad news from Colorado
Followup-To: soc.motss
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:00:45 GMT

In article <1eb8knINNavd@crcnis1.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
>>In article <5220010@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> 
 zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni) writes:
>>By classifying all of organized religion in the same league as organized crime,
>>you ignore the following groups within organized religions which are working
>>extremely hard for gay/lesbian/bisexual causes:
>>More Light Churches (Presbyterian)
>>Reconciling Congregations (Methodist)
>>Affirmation (Mormon)
>>Dignity (Roman Catholic)
>>Integrity (Episcopal)
>As far as I can see these are largely *gay* groups within these 
>denominations.  

NOT!

The UM "Reconciling Congregations" and Presbyterian "More Light Churches"
are not organizations of (mostly) gay/lesbian individuals, but organizations
of entire congregations who support the principle of equality regardless
of sexual orientation. Like the rest of the church they consist of a majority
of heterosexuals -- though we attract more out les/bi/gay members.

There are about 60 United Methodist Reconciling Congregations in the USA.

(I participate in one, though I don't call myself a Christian.)

There are similar movements in 3 or 4 other denominations -- we
are trying to work cooperatively -- "Open Hands" which was the journal
of the Reconciling Congregations is going to start carrying stuff
from the other denominations.

In addition, MFSA the Methodist Federation for Social Action, a liberal/
progressive caucus in the United Methodist Church was quite active
for homosexual rights at the last general conference.  We may not have
majority support, but we have many friends and allies.

Dignity, Integerity, and Affirmation (United Methodist) are "traditional"
gay/lesbian caucuses. (I don't know about the Mormon's)  These exist in
nearly every denomination, and vary in the degree to which they stress
political change in the church vs. support.

I don't claim that everyone has or should have the stomach to work within
the church, but there are good people and communties of support -- working
to provide safe space and change the unjust institutions.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

A radical new definition of Gaypeople  (I just made it up,
somewhat tired of the `desire' / `activity' distinction).

A 'gayperson' is someone of the same sex  whom you want to
take home and have sex with who wants to go home with you.
Other 'gaypersons' are the people you met at the march,
the LBG student office, your Gay bar, your Lesbian bar,
the meeting to defeat Oregon's measure 9, your local 
ACT-UP meeting ... you get the idea...

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura

From laura Sun Nov 15 06:42:33 PST 1992
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>From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:41:17 GMT
Date-Received: 15 Nov 92 14:41:17 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

A radical new definition of Gaypeople  (I just made it up,
somewhat tired of the `desire' / `activity' distinction).

A 'gayperson' is someone of the same sex  whom you want to
take home and have sex with who wants to go home with you.
Other 'gaypersons' are the people you met at the march,
the LBB student office, your Gay bar, your Lesbian bar,
the meeting to defeat Oregon's measure 9, your local 
ACT-UP meeting ... you get the idea...

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura


-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:12:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov23.191235.7214
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov21.212619.29280@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>>[Melman calls French surly.]
>>So Frenchmen are naturally surly, are they?  Well I suppose it might
>>seem that way to Americans, stupid and vulgar as they are.
>>
>I must say I am disappointed in Eamonn for succumbing to the
>very natural urge to say something nasty to the m-person by
>heaping calumny on the other 300 million of us. I know I am
>neither stupid nor vulgar, and and I am an American.

I'd tend to agree about you, from most of what you write, but this article
of yours isn't helping.

>I, for one, would appreciate it if Eamonn could sharpen his
>aim a trifle the next time he wishes to get off a potshot.
>And include me, and those like me, out.

Hmmm, one of the "let's take as literal-minded a reading as we can"
school, and to hell with an appreciation of rhetoric and the use of
turning-the-tables as a way to illustrate the absurdity of the original
claim.  How disappointing...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: TORCH SONG (was Re: Effeminacy/Butchitude (was Re: discrimination at CMU))
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:12:53 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>In any case' "Wake me when you're done" is probably better than "is it in
>yet?"

Or 'Hurry up! It's almost time for _Bewitched_!'

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:51:52 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Nov15.203143.10032@u.washington.edu>, rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
> My favorite is the little christian fish, with little legs attached, and
> Darwin written inside the fish.  Love that one!

  Oh, oh! I had quite the fright the other day when I noticed one
of those christian fish on my business partner's car the other day.
He has recently (shockingly :-) acquired a live in girlfriend and
I figured that he had *really* gone to the Dark Side when I saw
this.
  Fortunately, it was a Darwin amphibian. Relieved I was, yes.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:35:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <nosenseofirony@kaa.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn
McManus) wrote:

> So Frenchmen are naturally surly, are they?  Well I suppose it might
> seem that way to Americans, stupid and vulgar as they are.

Frenchman are surly.  Germans drink beer.  The English are all gay.
Swedes are all six-foot seven and named 'Sven.'  

Oh, and yes, Americans *are* vulgar.

*X*
(who doubts any nationality could claim ownership of stupidity)
From: davidk@bcsaic.boeing.com (Dave Kerlick)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Food for thought, was : Bear Crap
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:54:02 GMT
Organization: Large Mfr. of Jet Aircraft, Seattle

In article <69735@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>I realize we're probably not going to do away with the prejudice
>against "overweight" any time soon; but there is no reason

To put it in another light, how would tall people fell if they were
referred to in the media and by others as "overheight?"

See?
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:04:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <kecguB3w165w@ailanth.UUCP>
ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>
>> The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive in anal
>> intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men reported engaging in
>> gay sex at least once.
>>
>> Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?

>no [...]

In the original posting the corresponding figures for the French women
were 20% and 2%. So even if men were just as likely to be passive for
women as women were for men (NOT LIKELY), that would only account for
20%. The men report 30%, so there is is 10% unaccounted, 2.5 times the
number that admit to having "gay sex" at least once.

You could make two conclusions:

1. People underreport homosexual experience, or define it nebulously,
   or too specifically (in order to disqualify themselves)

2. the sample (size=20,000+) is somehow skewed. Women might underreport
   anal intercourse,...,etc.

Brian
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Screwed up and alone again...
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:36:36 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.185206.29003@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stuart S Goldstone) writes:

|> 	Now, the thing is, I think I'm not very optimistic.  What is out
|> there?  I don't know.  I have never been to a gay bar.  I don't think I can
|> find love in a bar.  I met Paul here, we are both involved in the theater
|> group here.  But I just don't know what the future holds for me.  Sometimes
|> I feel like I am going to be alone my whole life.  Does anyone have anything
|> to tell me? 

I can't tell from your address where you are, but
I know that for the three and a half years I lived
in New Haven, Ct. I was *desperate* for a boyfriend
and could barely even get myself laid (let's not even
bring up the subject of Yalies, OK?)

What did I do?  I moved to the big city.  I met Eddie
a month later and were were together four and a half
years.  Advice #1:  Increase your chances by increasing
the QPSI* of your environment.  Get involved with other
gay people in non-bar environments - volunteer orgs, 
hotlines, baseball teams.  

What did I do after Eddie?  I went to Thanksgiving dinner
at a friend's place in Baltimore and met someone who was
visiting from South Carolina.  Advice #2: trust serendipity.
I wasn't looking for a boyfriend, but *boom* there he was
and now he lives with me.

Love isn't something that you can force, and there's
lots of other things you can do to stay happy and 
fulfilled in the meantime.

I know this probably doesn't help the way you're feeling
right now, but know that you *will* get over it and 
feel better and be able to enjoy the memories.

* Queers Per Square Inch

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ugly
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:32:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BOB.92Nov17033019@dolores.Stanford.EDU> <BxxAxu.3D0@queernet.org>

Max Rochlin writes:
>Face it, George, bears are uninteresting to mainstream gay media.
>Only one mag and two  or three 'zines focus on bears.  What little
>market there is for such publications doesn't generate enough profits
>to be interesting to mainstream gay press.

This simply isn't true.  _HONCHO_ has done a couple of "bear"
oriented issues [Oct. 1990 and Jul. 1992], and even in Twinkie
Central West Hollywood, those issues sold out noticeably faster
than average -- this from one of the managers of Circus of Books I
happened to chat with one day.  One just wonders why they don't
"get the clue" from that kind of result.  Or, there's the matter
of the infamous "Fur Trapper" layout _Honcho_ ran a number of
years ago; they admitted on the letters page they were *buried*
in mail asking to see more of him [this being in 1984, before
_BEAR MAGAZINE_ came along].

So it's obvious that there IS a sizable market for this kind of
thing, aside from the simple proof of _BEAR_'s circulation
figures.  I don't expect any of the "mainstream" gay skin rags
to go "all Bear", but one would expect to see a noticeably
greater frequency of fur.

 
() The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.
()      -- William Blake
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: waal@cwi.nl (Peter de Waal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: TV (Was Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?)
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:13:34 GMT

md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson) writes:

>Britain is also way ahead of the US in it's use of television in 
>AIDS education and awareness - something that continues to amaze me.

Funny you should say that. I think that most people in Europe do not
view British television to be as progressive or as modern as you
depict it here. I must admit that the BBC have improved considerably,
but I don't think that they come even close to the openness on
continental European TV. (Mind you, I am not discussing the quality of
British versus continental TV programs). I also recall that their
first AIDS awareness 'commercials' were quite untastefully done: a
picture of a tombstone and a voice saying 'this is what happens if you
practice unsafe sex'. Not one word about condoms, or anything else
that might constitute safe sex. I wouldn't call that an educational
approach.

This brings me to a question about American TV. Every time I visit the
US I am amazed by the prudishness of the national networks, while at
the same time you can watch programs, close to pornography, on most of
the cable networks. On national TV showing a bra seems to be
considered pornography, while, for instance, on Manhattan's cable
network there is a channel that shows escort service commercials and
a talkshow that's more like a stripshow. In general I get the
impression that mainstream Americans are quite closeted about
sexuality -- at least compared to (continental) Europeans -- while at
the same time the networks are flooded with talkshows on anything
ranging from impotence to sex with telephones and animals. How come?

--- Peter --- 
"Things fall apart, it's scientific."
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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Straight jokes?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 11:44:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Robert McKee strains my credulity:

>Does anyone out there in USENET land know any heterosexual jokes? I've
>heard *plenty* of gay jokes in my time (plus a few specifically aimed at
>lesbians), but I can't recall any jokes that poke good-natured fun at
>"breeders." Can anybody suggest some? (Nothing too vicious, mind you;
>after all, some of my closest friends are straight.)

>Rob

Pick up a copy of Playboy, any issue, and turn to "Playboy's Party
Jokes".  Heterosexual jokes galore.

Here are two "Blonde Jokes" from the November 1992 issue that must be
about straights, because queer and blonde is a choice, not a lifestyle:

Why did the blonde stare at the glass of orange juice for two hours?

Because the label on the container read CONCENTRATE.


What do you call a dead blonde in a closet?

The 1986 hide-and-seek world champion.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redheads (was: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:40:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <thaaang.721949805@cwis> <1992Nov17.004045.5031@reed.edu>
  <1992Nov17.145531.28241@osf.org>

Robert Coren writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes: 
>> My beard isn't really full (not much up on the
>> cheeks), so I will want to shave it some time. But it has a sprinkling
>> of red hairs in it, an effect I rather like..
>I think this is actually fairly common among dark-haired men. My
>brother (dark brown hair, what there is of it) grew a beard about 10
>years ago, and it had a *lot* of red in it. I think I've known of
>other such cases, although I can't bring any to mind at the moment.

I must have slipped your mind.  ;-{)##]

Of course, the red in my beard is really only easily visible
in bright light, and when we were all at Rooster Rock, I'm sure
there were more visually exciting things than counting the
different colors in my beard. ;-)

My mother attributes the red in my beard to my Great-Grandfather
Romanovsky, who wore a large, brick-red handlebar moustache --
the only person on either side of my family anyone can remember
who had red facial hair, or red hair *period*.
 
() Evolution is what it is. The upper classes have always
() died out; it's one of the most charming things about them.
()      -- Germaine Greer
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "homo"
Date: 15 Nov 1992 18:37:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



A benighted adolescent in my neighborhood yelled "homo" at me  
this morning, and I, remembering the etymology of "homosexual", 
thought: how ironic it is that this boy is trying to reassure himself that 
I am something he would never be by in effect shouting "same" at me.

-----

Tom Flesher  (internet: ai888@cleveland.freenet.edu)

>>> Bigotry is merely cowardice in the face of complexity. <<<

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