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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan7.143118.8159@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>I'm not sure if this is the right place to talk about the new
>series "Space Rangers," but since it is supposed to bring
>competition to ST I thought I would.

Space Rangers is entirely unrelated to Star Trek.  Unless you're actually
discussing it in the context of Star Trek (say, making a direct comparison)
you should NOT post Space Rangers material to any rec.arts.startrek newsgroup.
The proper place for it is rec.arts.sf.tv

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the
contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one
person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
                                                      -John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R James)
Subject: Re: Was Chekov a Stalinst, or just affected by the era? :)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:14:02 GMT

raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden) writes:


>Could it be that our intrepid Chekov, famed for his 'This was
>iwented in Russia' type lines, was a Stalinist, or was affected
>by all that went on in that era? I submit to you, as example
>the following text from a wonderful book I have just read on
>the life of Dmitri Shostakovich:

>... it was in the world of thought that the growing freeze was most
>insidious for, having dealt with literature and film, Zhdanov's
>programme of ideological purification was now exercising its frigid
>energies on a drive to establish the 'primacy' of Soviet science.
>Some of the results of this were merely ridiculous. Claims that            
>supposedly Western inventions of radio, internal combustion, penicillin,
>and the aeroplane - had actually been made by obscure Russians,
>led to popular cracks about the USSR being 'the home of the elephants'
>(though an announcement that Russia had discovered Antarctica seemed
>apt enough). 

>- p. 188, "The New Shostakovich" by Ian MacDonald

>come on, lines like "Scotch? It was inwented by a little old lady
>from Leningrad" and "Russian epic of Cinderella" and so on - doesn't
>it sound like Zhdanov got to Chekov as well? :)

Well I wasn't really around then (or not paying attention anyway) but 
this seems to have been a common attitude coming out of the Soviet Union
around the early to mid 60's.  There is at least one episode of the
Jetson's where a similiar attitude is expressed by a "russian" television
commentator.  The feeling I get is that it was treated as an amusing
attempt at national drum-beating and was mostly a target of
lampooning in Star Trek and other places.

>Richard Muirden, System Administator, RMIT.Aero. Engineering.. Office: 10.12.26
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Deep Space nine
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:36:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a2i network

matownse@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark Townsend) writes:

>guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User) writes:
>>I wonder if they will continue TNG ? any info on that ?

>Well, from the horse's mouth(Brent Spiner), none of the cast of TNG has
>signed up for a new year.  So, in short, this will be the last season the
>TNG and if DS9 works, it will continue in TNG's place.  Brent Spiner also
>said that there isn't any word to them about doing a feature film with the
>TNG team.
>Mark Townsend
>CalPoly, San Luis Obispo, CA 
>matownse@nike.calpoly.edu

It's amazing how much 100% inaccurate info gets posted on the Net. (OK 90%)
There's a 100% certain chance that TNG is going to do a 7th season starting
normally in the fall of 1993.  There is no doubt, also, Brent Spiner will
be there to coninue on as Data.  On that you can bet your mortgage.
DS9 will NOT continue in TNG's place.  It's a spinoff FROM TNG.
So please, let's get the facts straight.  So what if none have signed up
for "a new year."  That's pretty typical 8 months before a season starts.
I've heard Spiner speak too.  As for TNG Season #8, beginning in 1994,
well, that's probably 50-50 right not and quite speculative. 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Subject: That thing Odo does (DS9 Spoiler Alert!)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:48:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network


As our little group watched Deep Space Nine last week, we pondered
the fact that Odo changed his shape into the bag in which the 
Cardassians put their winnings, in order to sneak aboard their 
warship.

Changing shape is fine.   But changing mass?  Surely them darn
Cardassians would have known something was up if the bag weighed
as much as Odo does.  Is this a continuity flaw?  We arrived at
the conclusion that Odo doesn't have to adhere to T-1000 rules;
since nobody knows exactly what kind of being he is, maybe he
can change mass.  So I guess it's too early to call foul.  It
also raises the interesting question: was Quark in on it?  He
called for the bag without being prompted.  Kinda neat to see 
a cool Ferengi!

Here's where I consolidate my other ramblings to save bandwidth:
----

- This station is of tremendous size; I hope there will be more
  than on security officer (Odo) and doctor (whatshisname)!

- If someone asks me "what is this?" I'm going to punch him.

- The first episode didn't give us enough background on the 
  medical officer, it just made him look like a bumbling idiot.

- Were we introduced to the "old man" Dax early in the episode?
  I thought maybe he was on the Saratoga but couldn't find him.
  Is Dax a woman with the old guy's consciousness, or what?  I
  don't expect this to be presented in the pilot, though.  We
  can't wait to see this explained.



Clint

Disclaimer:  In junior high, I was one of the state's best
             spellers.  But I was not asked any Star Trek
             alien creature names.  So look out. :)
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  08-Jan-1993 1131)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Picard's Family...
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:31:17 GMT
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drue@citi.umich.edu (Chris Tanis) asks:

> Could someone please tell me the name of Picard's brother, sister-in-law 
> and nephew?

Robert, Marie and Rene.

> Thank you, thank you, thank you. :)

You're welcome.

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From: cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Worf in ST6?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:39:58 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Yes, that's Worf's grandpa: Col. Worf; they cut out the references that
would have made it all clear in the movie (for some stupid, unknown reason).

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: Reviewer for DS9
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:40:55 GMT

Tim Lynch has told me that he cannot do reviews for the new series.

Is anyone out there up to this challenge???

Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 JAN 93 14:30:52 GMT

>>In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>>	You know, I just thought of something to add to the
>>>thread...What if someone was engaged in a little fantasy such as the
>>>one we've been discussing and then the *real* person enters the
>>>Holodeck.  Bothe occupants wander around and run into one another.
>>>The person who programmed the Holodeck would think that the real
>>>person was only a simulacrum.  What would be the result of such an
>>>encounter??  I would call it rape.

I guess it would depend on a couple of things.  I imagine that the person 
who programmes the holodeck would notice that it was resisting, and realize 
that something was wrong before going any further.  Especially when the other 
person (who is supposed to be a simulacrum) fights back, and doesn't have any 
failsafe mechanism, like the holodeck does.  The only way such a situation 
could occur would be if the programmer programmed the holodeck for a rape 
fantasy, and if the victim didn't resist hard enough to hurt the programmer.

Assuming that this is the case, it still depends.  What kind of privacy 
mechanism exists on the holodeck?  If anyone can just walk in, then the 
programmer would have to be much more responsible, but if there is some "do 
not disturb" sign, then he might not be so responsible.  Here is a similar 
situation.

I come home one night, and go up to bed.  My wife is already asleep, so I 
don't turn on the lights.  Now my wife likes to be "resistant" in bed.  When I 
get in bed, I start to make love, and she is "resistant", just like usual.  
The next morning I realize that it wasn't my wife, but some girl who had come 
into my house and slept in my bed (goldilocks?).  

So, did I rape her?  I had no reason to believe that she wasn't my wife 
behaving exactly as my wife usually does.  I don't think that this is rape.  I 
big misunderstanding, yes, but a crime?

While this is extremely unprobable, so is a holodeck.  I think the 2 
situations are fairly similar.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: lee_a@clipr.colorado.edu (Adrienne Lee)
Subject: trek goods - catalog woes
Reply-To: lee_a@clipr.colorado.edu (Adrienne Lee)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:05:28 GMT

In the beginning of December, I decided to purchase a communicator pin
and sound board for my sister.  A friend gave me the name of a local Denver
company called Starland.  I placed me order.  To make a long story short,
after many mix ups on their end, my sister received her pin the week after
Christmas.  It took over 3 weeks!

My sister did enjoy the pin once she had received it (although the sound
board is a bit heavy and does not have an adequate pin connection).  Several
of her friends also liked it.

However, I'd like to know if anyone out there has dealt with Star Trek mail
order companies AND had a good experience - great service, quick delivery.  

I'm hoping to avoid the same lousy service that I received and also would like
to purchase things for my sister in the future.

Thanks in advance.

Adrienne



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From: medic@hardy.u.washington.edu (Travis Lauricella)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Gold Plaque
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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kupo@cs.concordia.ca (KUPO francois) writes:


>Does anyone know what is written on the gold plaque on the bridge of the
>Enterprise from TOS?  You know, the one just under the Red Alert beacon?
>Two guesses:  a commissioning plaque (ie, something like "USS Enterprise
>NCC-1701 commissioned on stardate blah-blah...") or the "To boldly go..."
>speech.  Anyone know for sure?

Right on both counts.  I don't have my tech manual with me, but if my
memory serves me right it says something like "USS Enterprise, built at the
(someplace) fields, inaugural flight on stardate 410??.?" followed by a
listing of the starfleet officers who had a hand in building it (such as
Adm. Roddenberry, Berman, et al.).  At the bottom, it has the "To boldly
go" quote.
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From: itlm018@othello.ucdavis.edu (Jason Giles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.collecting
Subject: for sale: trek episodes
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:17:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Squire of Gothos/Patterns of Force
Amok Time/This Side of Paradise
CHarlie X/The Enemy Within
The Galileo Seven/Court-Martial
Tomorrow is Yesterday/The City On the Edge of Forever
I,Mudd/The Trouble With Tribbles
The Corbomite Maneuver/The Man Trap
Where No Man Has Gone Before/Mudd's Women
The Naked Time/Balance of Terror
The Managerie Part's I and II
The Apple/Journey to Babel
Space Seed/The Return of the Archons
Operation Annihilate!/Metamorphosis
Encounter at Farpoint
The Naked Now/Code of Honor
plus I have Start Trek Bloopers tape

all tapes are priced at $20.00 which includes shipping and handling to
your door. Please write me at: itlm018@othello.ucdavis.edu   or at:

ez001766@othello.ucdavis.edu    if you are interested. Now back to your
regularly scheduled newsgroup! Thanks,

Jason Giles

The Apple
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:07:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>	You know, I just thought of something to add to the
>thread...What if someone was engaged in a little fantasy such as the
>one we've been discussing and then the *real* person enters the
>Holodeck.  Bothe occupants wander around and run into one another.
>The person who programmed the Holodeck would think that the real
>person was only a simulacrum.  What would be the result of such an
>encounter??  I would call it rape.

	I wouldn't. There's a thing called intent.
-- 
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From: Wayne.Benner@f148.n114.z1.tvbbs.UUCP (Wayne Benner)
Sender: FredMail@tvbbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Sex, the Final Frontier?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 10:51:20 -0700

Quoted From: Torsten Wesley Adair 
         To: All 
       Date: 03 Jan 93  22:24:20 

 TWA> I was quite disappointed at the recent "Tiny Trek" episode on ST:TNG.
 TWA> The writer's had a perfect opportunity for the first televised
 TWA> passionate  kiss between an adult and a child (O'Brien and Keiko),
 TWA> which technically  would have been acceptable, as Keiko still had her
 TWA> adult intellect.  Oh well... 

Hmmmm... interesting observation.  The thought crossed my mind at the
time, but I really didn't expect to see it.  After all, this is the
show that chickened out when they wanted a male actor to play Riker's
love interest in "The Outcast".

... Trekkers work out at the He's Dead Gym.
 * Origin: T.V. BBS (1:114/148.0)
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What will they call the TNG movie?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:53:47 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

> Something I've been thinking about for a while:  What are they
> going to call the Star Trek: The Next Generation motion picture,
> whenever they make it? 

There's no reason to think that there will be only one.

> After all, STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION -- THE MOTION PICTURE
> probably would not fit on most marquees, to say nothing of movie
> posters.  Will they call it something like STAR TREK VIII: The
> Next Generation?  What do you think?

I think that it's unnecessary to have either "STAR TREK" or a number in
the title.  The Star Wars and James Bond films simply have names, and no
one has any trouble figuring out what series they are a part of.

And calling *any* film "The Motion Picture" indicates a total lack of
imagination.  I mean, isn't it sort of obvious that it's a motion
picture?  Why not tell people something they don't already know?

-- 
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: `Cheers Woman
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan12.210057.7576
Organization: Western Washington University

Was this supposed to be a question about Bebe Neuwirth?

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From: bz556@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joshua E. Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: DS9 - Transcript of Sisko's Speech Wanted
Date: 9 Jan 1993 06:10:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: bz556@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joshua E. Randall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hey all you niners!  (Is that the right word?)  If anyone with a videotape
of "Emissary" could E-mail me a transcripts of Cmdr. Sisko's speech to the
"entities" in which he states that humans thrives on uncertainty, that we
seek not just answers to our questions but new questions, etc. - anyone,
whoever does this for me will earn my eternal gratitude and empty promises
of future favors.  :-)

Thanks.

-- 
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From: tommi@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Stockheim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG-episodes no longer in ZDF (german TV)
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:09:10 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
Distribution: rec
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roth@ph-cip.uni-koeln.de (Daniel Roth) writes:

>A bad message for the German  Star Trek - The Next Generation - Fans:

>Contrary to the posted messages a few weeks ago the 2nd German Television
>(ZDF) does not continue with broadcasting TNG (Raumschiff Enterprise
>           ------------
>- Das naechste Jahrhundert = Starship Enterprise - The next century)
>except for the 16 episodes which are already bought. In the next lines
>I quote a letter which ZDF has written me:

>QUOTE ON
letter deleted
>QUOTE OFF

>Every TNG-fan should write a protest-letter to the ZDF. The address is:

>ZDF
>Zuschauerredaktion
>ZDF-Strasse 1
>D-W 6500 Mainz 31
>Germany

>I think that we could change the decision if every german fan reading
>this here spents 1 DM and 10 minutes for writing a letter!!

>Daniel Roth - roth@ph-cip.uni-koeln.de

Where is your problem ? Try and watch Star Trek on Sky One ! You get five
episodes a weak ! (I guess they will have to stop this, soon !)

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Paramount Press Release - TNG - #239: Aquiel
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Aquiel

Episode #239



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	[none]


				_C_A_S_T

	Captain Jean-Luc Picard			Patrick Stewart
	Commander William Riker			Jonathan Frakes
	Lieutenant Commander Data		Brent Spiner
	Dr. Beverly Crusher			Gates McFadden
	Counselor Deanna Troi			Marina Sirtis
	Lieutenant Commander Geordi LaForge	LeVar Burton
	Lieutenant Worf				Michael Dorn

	Aquiel Uhnari				Renee Jones
	Governor Torak				Wayne Grace
	Morag					Reg E. Cathey
	Computer Voice				Majel Barrett
	

	Written by:				Jeri Taylor, Brannon Braga and
						Ronald D. Moore
	Directed by:				Cliff Bole



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: "Aquiel" -- Geordi is enamored with
	a beutiful and mysterious Starfleet lieutenant accused of murder.


_T_V_ _G_U_I_D_E_ _A_D_S

	Geordi falls in love with an alien lieutenant who is a murder
	suspect.  Can he prove her innocence on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Can Geordi prove his new found love's innocence from murder
	on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Guinan and Picard
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:13:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan8.181357.7692
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <106512@bu.edu> cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>Does anyone, know if they will ever develop the story of
>the relationship that Picard and Guinan share?

They did, in the two-parter (I forget the title) that had the crew going
back to Mark Twain's time to find out what happened to Data's head in 
San Francisco.  That was the sum of the relationship - that Picard met
and saved Guinan at that time.



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