From: htran@elesium.mitre.org (Hai Tran)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [POL]
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:22:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.vietnamese
Organization: MITRE Corp., Washington Group, McLean, VA

>In article <9212281433.AA09042@oceanus.mitre.org> Hai Tran <htran@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG> writes:
>>
>>  ...........[deleted].....
>>
>>        Then, what do the people in Vietnam have for their life but the
>>        simple concern for subsistence until the next day?
>>
>>        To those of you enthusiastic about the possibility of
>>        redemption of the Communists by advocating cooperation in the
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>        name of the suffering of our people in Vietnam, I wish you
>>        luck.
>

From Tin:

>  This is incorrect.  So far of all the discussions I have seen on
>  SCV, no one call for "cooperation" with the Communist government
>  of Vietnam.  If you have such proofs, please show me the article(s)
>  where that is so.  Maybe there is a misunderstanding...

	The misunderstanding was that I NEVER SAID '"coperation" with
the Communist government'. I was addressing the general sentiment of
let-bygones-be-bygones by calling for harmony and reconciliation,
which I believe is present among the netters. Of course the form of
cooperation differs from individual to individual but the underlying 
commonality is the acceptance of the Communist regime.  Why don't we
test the sincerity of the regime by asking them to:

	- Renounce the one-party system.

	- Respect the basic human and civil rights of all peoples. 

	- Agree to UN-sponsored free election to realize the
harmony of all people with different views.  

	(For historical perpesctive, the Hungarian communists
voluntarily relinquished power and established democratic reforms in
1985-1986 and they are doing quite well now.)


>
> I have seen people calling for cooperation _AMONG_ ourself
 > (whichis a big difference from that of cooperating with CSVN). 

From Tin:

"Patience is a virtue" fits this very well.

	I think it depends on the circumstance that patience becomes a
virtue. I remember the same argument when the Solidarity movement in
Poland just started. Many people said that it was too fast a change
and Poland did not have a political alternative to teh Communists.
That led to the interim government of General Jerusalski, which lasted
a few years. Then Lech Walesa became President and Poland has been
improving ever since.
 
From Tin:

>I firmly believe that as  Vietnamese on the
>"outside," it is our duty to provide supports

	No dissent here. However, we should keep in mind that
the ultimate decisions would be made by the Vietnamese masses in
Vietnam. We only provide support for their constant struggle for a
dignified life and we should not harbour any idea of sefl-importance
afterwards. I donot believe in the "co^ng tha^`n chu? nghi~a".


From Tin: 


> ...................................knowledge
(teaching the reformers Western economics, laws, political systems
and give them the change to decide and apply what is useful to
Vietnam).>

	I'm not as optimistic as Tin. Remember you are saying this to
the people who proclaimed, from the top offiial to the village
commissar that they represent "ddi?nh cao tri' tue^. loa`i ngu+o+`i".
They can always find a scapegoat and pretexts for any hardships the
people have to endure. Those in power have their previledged preserved
and they are never reluctant to use force to secure their power. Look
at the Tienammen Square incident. Reread the Quy`nh Lu+u Kho+?i Nghi~a
for a Vietnamese experience of resistance against the Communists.

	My personal opinion to all netters is: regardless of what you
believe in, be true to yourself. Practice what you preach. At least,
in the end, nobody can accuse you of being a hypocrite.

	My experience with the new regime in the South after 1975
confirms my belief that the system only allows the people to have ONLY
TWO of the following THREE qualities: SMART, HONEST, COMMUNIST.


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