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Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 15:59:49 CET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: amandach@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Ana Maria Mandache)
Distribution: world
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Subject:  Re: Please convert my poem to Romanian


I like the translation of J.Segal.
I have some suggestions and corrections:

>>          To a special friend with love
>Pentru un special prieten,cu dragoste
	   prieten deosebit

>>          rushing across the sky,
>grabinduse peste cer
 grabindu-se pe cer


>>          Streaks of sunlight glow
>Raze de sore stralucesc
>>          from a polished mirror's grin,
>Din zimbetul unei oglinzi slefuite
>>          warming all that it touches
>incalzind tot ce atinge
>>          with it's ever gentle fingers.
>Cu degetele-i cele fine  (???)


Who is "touching with its gentle fingers"? The "Streaks of sunlight" or
the mirror? I think it's the first variant, in which case some changes should
be made both in english and in romanian:

          Streaks of sunlight glow
Raze de sore stralucesc
          from a polished mirror's grin,
Din zimbetul unei oglinzi slefuite
          warming all that they touch
incalzind tot ce ating
          with their ever gentle fingers.
Cu degetele lor cele fine  (???)
(Cu degetele lor usoare ???)
(Cu degetele lor mingiietoare ???)

>>          their passion raging daily
>Pasiune lor crescind zilnic
 Pasiunea

____________________________________________
Ana Maria Mandache (Salagean)
Research Institute for Symbolic Computation
J. Kepler University Linz
Austria (Europe)

e-mail: amandach@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: edward@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Edward L. Nicolescu)
Subject: A translation of Alan's poem
Organization: Cornell National Supercomputer Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09:29 GMT


Hi everybody,

This is a translation of Alan's poem done by Mr. Stefan Stoenescu,
former Professor of English at University of Bucharest, at present
a PhD candidate in the Dept. of Comparative Literature, Cornell Univ.:

To a special friend with love    Dragei de departe
-----------------------------    ------------------

I see storm clouds                Nori grei de furtuna
rushing across the sky,           Navalesc fara tinta
with nowhere to go                Bolta cerului invaluind-o
in an eternity of darkness.       Intr-o vesnicie sumbra.

Streaks of sunlight glow          Dire de lumina razbat
from a polished mirror's grin,    Dinspre piezise luciri de oglinda
warming all that it touches       Incalzind  totul in cale
with its ever gentle fingers.     Cu palide, firave atingeri.

Two people close together         Doua fiinte, harazite a fi impreuna
as small flecks on the earth,     Doua bobite de roua in necuprinsul cimpiei
their passion raging daily        Impatimite de dor din zori pina'n seara
soon they will be one.            Se vor ingemana curind intr-o singura faptura.

A hottip for Alan:  Prof. Dr. Irina Grigorescu - Pana ( a Romanian poet, novelist
and translator) teaches English Literature in the Department of English of Monash
University. She might be willing to help you with your correspondence to Romania.

All the best,
                             
                                        --Edward Nicolescu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: "caius tenche" <caius.tenche@canrem.com>
Subject: talking about vampire
Reply-To: "caius tenche" <caius.tenche@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:50:46 EST



AI>  Newsgroup: soc.culture.romanian
AI> Message-ID: <1992Dec8.075113.24856@athena.mit.edu>
AI>    Subject: Talking about vampires

AI>In particular, Bram Stoker's Dracula.

In message <1992Dec8.075113.24856@athena.mit.edu>, Anca I Mosoiu said...

AI>How do you say "dragon", anyway?  I recall it as "dragon" with an accent
AI>on the o, or maybe "dracon".)


Actually, it's balaur (baa-laa-oor).  Dracu, while in the modern speak does
mean devil, it used to also mean dragon back during Vlad's time.


Ttyl, Caius

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From: XA.N73@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: La Multi Ani!
Date: 20 Dec 1992 18:38:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Si noi care te citim iti dorim de asemenea, tie si celorlalti....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mkakulav@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mohan Kakulavarapu)
Subject: HOW MANY ROMANIAN STUDENTS ARE THERE IN AMERICA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:03:04 GMT
Distribution: WORLD
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA




I am posting this on behalf of my Romanian friend who is setteled in the 
U.S. and is very much interested to know how many students from Romania

C
D
Ci
C
 are there in the United states of America. His name is DUMITRU .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: MHAASE@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase)
Subject: Romanian infinitive
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:45:24 GMT

I'm currently working on a paper on infinitives in Romance languages.
Romanian presents an interesting case, as it has infinitives as well as
the Balkan "finite infinitive construction". I would like to know more
about it. So if you have bibliographic data, language data, and/or an
opinion about my example sentences, please let me know. I'll send a
summary to the list.
Martin
 
Examples (partly from grammar/text books, from the literature, and
my own):
 
1. Are all of the following sentences correct?
2. If two alternatives are given, is there a semantic/pragmatic/stylistic
difference between them?
3. If only one construction is given, is there an alternative one?
 
(1) Nu ma> pot ret,ine...
(2) Se cuvine a merge eu la milit,ie sa> o ins,tiint,ez
(3a) Vreau sa> ma> prega>tesc.
(3b) Trebuie sa> ma> prega>tesc.
(3c) Pot sa> ma> prega>tesc.
(4) (i)  Pot,i pleca.
    (ii) Pot,i sa> pleci.
(5) S,tit,i toarce.
(6) Nu avem unde parca.
(7) Incercarea sa sa>-s,i recupereze ra>minerea in urma> s-a soldat
cu un succes.
(8) Incercarea sa de a-s,i recupera ra>minerea in urma>...
(9) El a poruncit ca palatul sa> fie reconstruit cit mai curind.
(10) (i) ...porunci la vro doi ostas,i de-l scoase d-acolo.
     (ii)...porunci la vro doi ostas,i sa>-l scoata> d-acolo.
(11) El dores,te sa> vorbeasca> cu reponsabilul restaurantului.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:47:49 GMT

In <1992Dec11.185426.3457@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

>oops. Do Moslems have a holiday around now? If not, forget my
>remarks about "everybody with the possible exception of a few
>hard-core athiests".

The Moslem calendar is lunar like the Jewish one, but doesn't have
leap months, so it's not at all fixed in relation to the solar
calander.  So while there might be a Moslem holiday around the winter
solstice one year, it wouldn't be there next year.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Ashkenazic Jokes
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:31:30 GMT

A new Oleh walking in Haifa comes home, exclaiming to his wife that he
will never get the hang of Hebrew and be able to speak it properly.
His wife wondered what made hime come to this conlusion so suddenly.

Apparently, he had walked past 2 sailors and overheard these words:

"Ti-taytah et ha'ta?"

"Tateh atah et ha'ta!"

(Spoken quickly, it sounds better.)

(Trans: "You swept the cabin?"
        "You go sweep the cabin!")

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Subject: chinese food
Reply-To: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:20:14 EST

David Sternlight<1992Dec11.190321.4091@netcom.com> said:

DS>There's a growing movement toward vegetarianism both here and in
DS>Taiwan. As a consequence, a brilliant Taiwanese chef opened a
DS>vegetarian restaurant there. Several imitators (or even students of
DS>his) have now opened similar restaurants here in Los Angeles (dunno
DS>about elsewhere).

In Toronto, there are at least three strictly vegetarian Chinese
restaurants.  The finest, by leaps and bounds, is located on Highway 7
east of Bayview Avenue, and like David's restaurants in L.A. produces
recipes which are indistinguishable from "treyfe" (the latter, of course,
being only a distant memory for me personally; I have therefore relied on
my brother-in-law's counsel in such matters since he has an unfailing
palate for the creeping and crawling).

Robert A. Brickman, C.A.
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Institute of Science & Halacha
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:51:09 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

I just obtained the fax number of the Institute of Science and Halacha in
Jerusalem. It's: +972-2-420949

The Institute has published two volumes on HACHASHMAL BEHALACHA (electricity in
Halacha) as well as KOVETZ MAAMARIM BEINYANEI CHASHMAL BESHABBAT.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Vijay Bhucha: JESUS IS NOT A MESSAYA!
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:17:04 GMT

In article <4574@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>A messayah is supposed to purify the hearts of people , at least of
>those follow him , writting the above jesus stuff to this forum is an
>immoral behaveiour. Since Vijay defines himself as a jesus follower
>his very writting is a demonstrating of an un pure jesus-follower hart
>and hence it is is a declaration that Jesus is not a messayah.

This is akin to saying that Judaism is invalid because of the Babylonian
captivity, the Diaspora, etc.  Should we say Judaism is invalid becuase
the people worshipped the golden calf?  I note you are in the Math Dept, 
I hope you don't teach logic.  =|^)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Just what IS the e-mail policy?? (was Re: STOP Spreading...)
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:38:32 GMT

Just how did I KNOW that "Andy" would follow-up to this article? :-)

This thread should be on rec.fishing - "How to Bait."

Anyway, sorry for opening it up again.  Chag Sameach to all,

--
David F. Skoll

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Repost of Ashkenazic Joke:  "Adonai & Schneider"
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:41:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec3.135828.15288@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude) writes:

>This reminds me of an advertisement I found for a small hotel In Florida
>which has as it's logo THE 4 letter Hebrew name (ie: yud-kay-vov-kay.)
>
>I found it looking for a kosher hotel near some relatives living in Fla
>in a monster-sized travel guide in the company library (I don't recall
>the name of the guide, but it comes out quarterly and lists hotels and
>accommodations world-wide.)
>
>Despite the logo, kosher food wasn't offered! I'm still not certain who
>the target clientele for that advertisement is. :-@
>-- 
>Harlan B. Braude
>hbb@karin.att.com

Two years ago, while on vacation in Miami Beach, I was driving one
evening and passed by a brightly lit Motel sign with the name you 
mention in Hebrew letters.  This was quite a shock to me, so I stopped
and looked inside, not getting out of the car.  There appeared to be
some African-Americans in the office, wearing white robes, turbans and
such. 

I believe that this business is part of some sect, perhaps the Black
Hebrews, and I think that one of their leaders was in the news about a
year or two ago, charged with a number of crimes including multiple
murders.  I don't have a clear memory on this, but the motel sign sure
woke me up. 

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: trb@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: X Window Hebrew Fonts
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:54:12 GMT
Organization: Beth trb, Baruchline, MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <3035@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
> What I haven't figured out is how to get xterm to use it, last time I
> tried I could display the font using the program that displays entire
> fonts (xfont? it's been a while), but when I sent the correct char to
> the display in an xterm it wouldn't display Hebrew.

I created heb8x13B based on the 8x13B and heb8x13 which are both
distributed with the X Window system.  Someone should put heb8x13 in 
the directory on nysernet.org too.  heb8x13B is bold, with serifs, it
would have been as easy to do without serifs, but the serifs looked
un-ugly enough to keep.

When Warren says "it wouldn't display Hebrew," I assume he means it can
display English.  I think his problem is that there are several
different "places" to put the Hebrew characters in the 8-bit data space.

Some software puts Hebrew characters in the lowercase alpha positions,
aleph=`(0x60), bet=a, gimel=b.  (It starts with the position before "a"
because Hebrew has 27 glyphs in the aleph-bet, including sofit-letters,
so the aleph-bet would hang off the alphabet on one end, and that's what
they chose.)  This was ok when people wanted 7-bit characters and didn't
care about upper case.  The UNIX hcal calendar software falls into this
category.

Other software puts aleph at character 0x80, the on-line tanach available
on nysernet.org falls into this category.  On some terminals, you can
use the "meta" key to effect this, aleph is meta-`, bet is meta-a,
etc.

On the third hand, the X Window System uses ISO 8859-8.  This puts aleph
at 0xE0.  On some terminals, you can use the "alt" key to effect this,
aleph is alt-`, bet is alt-a, etc.

It is pretty easy to convert these from one to the other using the
unix tr tool: [I use this to read the tanach on my X terminal]

tr "[\200-\237]" "[\340-\377]"

(the \NNN numbers are octal)

You also have to deal with reversing the order of characters on a line
if your xterm doesn't do that (mine doesn't).

I haven't gotten much response to the heb8x13B font, if you like it
(or not), let me know!

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Brookline, MA, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:16:30 GMT

There's a difference between the US and Canada in that in the US there
is supposed to be a separation of Church and State.  (I know, tell
that to the Supreme Court!)  Using public property for religious
displays, be they creches, menorahs, crosses, etc, is clearly
unconstitutional (and one day the Supreme Court will take its
Christian blinders off and realize it).

The Lubavitch, by putting their fershtunkiner menorahs up on public
property all over, helps destroy the case of the rational Jewish
community and paves the way for the KKK.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: M.Haussman - get a life
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:29:16 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.ucsc.edu

In article <Dec19.211401.68995@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
->** You know M.H. ( I don't feel like typing out your dumb name), you think
->you've got one over me, well you don't.  I'm not going to get into a personal
->argument on the net because that would be against "netiquette" and I wouldn't
->want to break the rules, would I?  Maybe you think that I just want to hear
->you say "You're right", but that's not it.   Not once did you defend your
->opinion with anything other than snappy remarks and a lot of arrogant B.S.
->So don't go around using my name on this net or I'll have your account pulled
->too.  I've said what is necessary to open your eyes, but you're blind.  Let
->God judge you when your time comes.  If you think God  would approve of your
->actions, then keep doing it.  Until then, I'd drop the phone number off the
->signature.  It's not a smart thing to show the world.

This is the kind of deranged babbling that comes out of people three days
before they open up with a mac-10 on some school playground.

Colorado Beware.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:51:39 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rosenbergs
Distribution: world

There has, I remember reading a passage of the previously represed portion
of Khruschev's memoirs which thanked the Rosenberg's for their help to the
Soviet nuclear programme.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:14:47 GMT

ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:

> Very often the Bible consists of 360 day years.

Where?

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Disturbing comments
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:31:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

The following posting was clipped from misc.consumers.  It contains some
rather disturbing comments which I would like to respond to, but am not
quite sure the best approach.  Can someone make some suggestions?

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lmpsbbs!mothost!ftpbox!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!uum1!ncrtimes!osd211.stpaul.ncr.com!fvaughn
From: fvaughn@stpaul.ncr.com (Frank Vaughn)
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: NCR Network Products Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:37:08 GMT

In article <9710049@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> lief@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lief Sorensen)
writes:

>> In misc.consumers, imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> If you are considering joining Prodigy as a new member, or left and are
>> considering rejoining with their "come back" mailing efforts, or are
>> just thinking Prodigy is the service you should use - just several
>> pairs of two words:  STAY AWAY!  IT SUCKS!  BAD MOVE!
>> 
>> ( a bunch of stuff deleted )
>> 
>> Prodigy is AMPLE proof that the two parents of it should have stuck to
>> their core businesses.
>> 
>> Imran Anwar
>> 
>> PS I love internet and Compuserve if you wanted to know :-)

>What I see here is the ramblings of anti-semitism!  It is no secret that the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>parent companies of Prodigy have a strong Jewish backing.  And with a name
>like "Imran Anwar", it does not surprise me that you should have such a hate
>for anything that smells Jewish.  In fact, I have a very good Lebanese friend
>here who will have absolutely nothing to do with Prodigy because of this.
>Personally, I think you guys are missing out on one of the greatest online
>services provided.

Is this for real??????

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israeli Police on DISCOVERY Channel
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Dec16.161746.6540@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>The commercial tried to make it look like the Israeli Police are a
>bunch of James Bond types.

No, it is Israeli managers and entrepreneurs who are James Bond types.

(an attache case is called "a James Bond case" in Hebrew.  I know
someone whose combination on his is 007.)
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Missionary-inundating (Re: Here we go again)
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:46:27 GMT

Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>Well Steven, you and I make 2. All we need is another 470 or so, and we
>can begin. We won't need anything more offensive than "Please DO leave
>SCJ." if we have enough people sending the notes. Anyone else game? It
>ought to be fun! :-) :-)
    Excellent idea, except that I have skipped the trigger without reading,
    please remind the address.
    I have 9 e-mail addresses to send from, I'll count for 9.
>Yaakov K. (yzkcu@cunyvm.cuny.edu on the Internet)
    Yaaqov G.
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu (Leslie Kay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian twat
Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <BzIx1H.CJH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
>rub it in!) CANADA won the WORLD SERIES!  HA!  Yes the American national
>pastime is now no longer in American hands!
>
>:-)

Last I checked, Canada is part of North America....

Leslie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish