HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick Colombo - Fermilab)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Ethernet address from DCL
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:30:43 GMT
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division

In article <13AUG199209282884@reg.triumf.ca>, grant@reg.triumf.ca (Peter A. Grant) writes:
> 
> Following all of the other requests about obtaining system information from
> DCL:  is it possible to obtain the Ethernet address (the real one 08-00...)
> from the DCL level?
> 
> Reading the serial number off the back of the chassis would be nice too, 
> then all of our (online) documentation would always be correct!
> 
> 


$ MCR NCP
NCP> show known line  (If you don't know already)
NCP> show char line xxx <--- from above, such as sva-0

If you do find a way to read the S/N from the back, let everyone know.  :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: New VAXes/VAXstations: can these be realized?
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: ZEUS Central Data Aquisition
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.132108.12473@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
whd0675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

|>One thing DEC could work on is, DECwindows/Motif runs incredibly slow.
|>I have VAXstation II/GPX (16MB, DECwindows) that can pop up windows faster 
|>than a VAXstation 4000/60 (40MB, DECwindows/Motif).

Sounds like the developer kit. Are you running 1.1 or the upgraded 1.0A
[sic] kit?

We upgraded our motif and the difference is very obvious. Only problem
being having to upgrade the VMS first. We have some software which uses
base loadable images (ask me not why) so they need relinking after every
VMS update, major or minor.


Phill Hallam-Baker
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS-Sun connectivity
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:18:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms

In article <1140@racerx.bridge.COM>, ken@Bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) writes:
> 
> I'm trying to bridge the huge void between our SunOS and VMS users.
> 
> We've got (I'm told) Multinet TCP/IP on one of the Vaxen that lets us
> rlogin and ftp between environments, and an NFS server on the Vax that
> lets us mount VMS directories on the Suns ("VMS to Ultrix Connection"
> software).
 
Can't imagine why you would use UCX if you have MultiNet, but I will let you
worry about it.

> What I don't know how to do is to get e-mail and news between
> environments; it's not included in the TCP/IP networking package.  The
> vaxes are running VMS mail or whatever it is that comes by default
> (*not* All-in-One).  The Suns, of course, consume and generate
> RFC822-compliant mail, and use SMTP.
> 
> 1) Are there any bridging software packages that run on VMS that would
>    use SMTP to talk to the Suns' sendmail and whatever is necessary on
>    the VMS side?  Is it even possible?

MultiNet has SMTP, so you can certainly send mail. The address format is:
To: SMTP%"user@fully.qualified.domain.name"

The quotation marks are mandatory to keep DCL from trying to interpret the "@"
as in indirection pointer.
 
> 2) Where are there any NNTP packages for VMS?  I've got news coming
>    into a Sun with UUCP, and available from there via NNTP.  I need a
>    VMS Multinet NNTP client and user-interface software.  What about
>    VMS/VNEWS, and where can I find it?

I use ANU-NEWS which is available from kuhub.cc.ukans.edu. VNEWS is available
from U. of Arizona (ftp.arizona.edu). And Matt Madison's NEWSRDR is available
from LOTS of places. (I just don't remember where at this instant.)
 
> ALSO, we're looking at ways of getting Unix, VMS, and DOS users to
> share the same filesystem for source code archives.  We're not settled
> on just which filesystem (Unix, Netware, or VMS) they will share yet.
> Someone else must be doing this already.  I'd like to learn what your
> solutions are.

If you get the NFS-Client for MultiNet, you can mount the Sun's disks on all of
your systems. With an NFS server (either UCX or MultiNet) all of the other
systems should be able to mount the VMS disks.

One thing bothers me. UCX and MultiNet can't co-exist in their full-blown
configurations. So I don't know that I believe that you are using both.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (There's too much apathy in this world...but who cares?)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BsvJ2t.76D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes...
>wherry@arkham.enet.dec.com () writes:
>>hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>>|>hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
>>|>}One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
>>|>}on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
>>|>}(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
>>
>>boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.
> 
>$30,000 for a law firm?  That's a lawyer's hourly fee.  Maybe DEC just wanted
>to "give them a taste of their own medicine"?

ackackackackackackackack..., HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I like that... That is NISHE! Anyway... If there are really 800
on-line users of the system, 30,000 starts to sound reasonable, but how many
people will be using NOTES, and is it the only thing the system is being used
for? CPU based pricing in most cases is stupid because it implicitly assumes
the system is being used for nothing else but that software. It's also really
based on the purchase price of the system (Hey if you could afford that, we'll
get some of that money too!). A beer says it costs LOTS more to license
software on an aging 8530 than a microvax 3100-80, which is patently ab-soid.
The big 'data center' systems have lousy price performance AND you get gouged
on software (unless you go for per user licensing). The new tiny little systems
have pretty damn good I/O and memory capacity as well. It would appear to be
very hard to justify a 'big box' anymore. Is it really worth THAT much money
just to get something that 'has a lot of future expansion capability'? Don't
forget to include software price tags. 

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: SYSTEM@CLUSTER.POLY-NORTH-LONDON.AC.UK (System Manager)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: FLAG PAGE INFO' EVAPORATED!
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9208171908.AA10256
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Here's a funny one that was pointed out to me by one of my users the other
day. In 5.5-1, the banner page that gets printed seems to be missing a
whole paragraph of useful information that existed under 5.4-3 (and
possibly 5.5 - I didn't hang around at 5.5 very long). As a workaround for
the users I have told them that they could use the /NOTE or /HEADER
qualifier for the time being, but /header prints out at the top of every
page and they were happier with the old setup. Being a University, our
users have quite a few different versions of files hanging around and it's
pretty essential that we know exactly which version we printed. I've looked
through the release notes and help text and can't spot anything to do with
this. Apart from re-writing the print symbiont ( Yuuccchhh :-( ) , is there
any way to fix this? Did I miss something in the manuals?



Banner flag under VMS 5.4-3

<Fancy bits omitted>

File _HSC000$DUA10:[SYSD.SYSEXE]MODPARAMS.DAT;9 (5869,85,0) last revised on
22-JUL-1992 13:05, is a 9 block sequential file owned by UIC [SYSTEM]. The
records are variable length with implied (CR) carriage control. The longest
record is 108 bytes.

Job MODPARAMS (999) queued to NORMAL on 18-AUG-1992 16:03 by user SYSTEM,
UIC [SYSTEM], under account SYSTEM at priority 100, started on printer
_LOFN$LPA0: on 13-AUG-1992 16:03 from queue LOFN_LPA0.


Banner flag under VMS 5.5-1

<Fancy bits omitted>

Job MODPARAMS (999) queued to NORMAL on 18-AUG-1992 16:03 by user SYSTEM,
UIC [SYSTEM], under account SYSTEM at priority 100, started on printer
_LOFN$LPA0: on 13-AUG-1992 16:03 from queue LOFN_LPA0.


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From: tillman@swdev.si.com ("Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Number of users logged on a cluster member
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:44:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Since SHOW USERS *is* a cluster-wide command and by default shows information 
about the entire cluster, why not just use it directly.  This will then be more 
portable than peeking at some system space address.  Here's a sample:

$ show user/interactive/out=x
$ open/read users x.lis
$ read users record
$ read users record
$ close users
$ delete x.lis;
$ record = f$edit( record, "collapse" )
$ record = f$element( 0, ",", record )
$ number = f$element( 1, "=", record )
$ write sys$output "The number of current interactive users is ", number

This requires only one cluster node and absolutely no privileges.

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From: Ian.Parker@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Ian Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Clustered Global Section
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:18:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


 
I'm just about to cluster a couple of VAXs.  On one VAX an application 
uses global sections to communicate between processes.  After clustering 
we want this application to be available across the cluster. 
 
Is there a problem? 
 
Yes, I know that you can't share memory across a cluster, but since  
global sections are mapped to files (but are all sections mapped to  
files?), and assuming that the files are available clusterwide then  
will it work? 
 
I guess it would be somewhat (or a lot) slower since it'd be disk  
I/O rather than memory access. 
 
Any help appreciated.  If my Microvax hadn't blown up, and if I had  
any manuals to hand, I'd look it up.  OK, I'll go to the office and  
read the manuals. 
 
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From: milnes_p@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Music Playing software for CD
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:29:24 +0900

Hi Peoples,
I was just wondering if anyone out there knew of a location where I could grab
a program that would allow me to play music through the CD player I have
attached to a Vaxstation 4000?

Thanks in advance

Peter Milnes
Systems Programmer
Northern Territory University
From: dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Archie client from VMS
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:47:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: skitzo.1992Aug20.154732.609
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

Has anyone written an archie client for VMS?
-- 
Eric Dittman                  Texas Instruments - Component Test Facility
dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    (214) 578-3575
Disclaimer:  Not even my opinions.  I found them by the side of the road.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Undocumented DCL feature
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:55:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter) writes:
> A similar, better known test is:
> 
> 		IF ("0" + SYMB) .eqs. SYMB
> 		THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "SYMB is an INTEGER"
> 		ELSE WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "SYMB is a STRING"
> 		ENDIF

Note that the "0" can be any string -- IF ("XYZ" + SYMB) .eqs SYMB ...
works just as well.

Of course Real DCL hackers use f$fao for everything, eg:

		$ if f$fao("!SL", symb) .eq. symb
		$ then	write SYS$OUTPUT "symb is Integer"
		$ else	write SYS$OUTPUT "symb is String"
		$ endif

Hmmm... time for another Obfuscated DCL contest?  8-)

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From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Moving from Word-11 to Word Perfect
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:51:56 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <7837806@MVB.SAIC.COM>, Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard) writes:
> There is a group here that has a bunch of Word-11 documents that they want
> converted to Word Perfect.  They have a tool that will convert just the text
> but are looking for something that can also convert at least the more common
> formatting commands as well.  Public domain or commercial is fine.

I've referred many people to the same company, Keyword Office Technologies,
located in Calgary, Alberta, Canda.  Their Keypak product will convert from
almost anything to almost anything.  We run Keypak here although it's supported
by a different group.  Keyword will do stuff like a one-time convert of all
your documents for you or they'll sell you the product so you can run it
forever.  You didn't specify if your group will be doing bidirectional
conversions continually or not..  We do that inhouse here since we're a mixed
WPS and WP shop.

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From: ZUC03AA@corral.uwyo.edu (Jim Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Backup and Tape Management Utility
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mrgate.9653110919081992.A08742.POSSE.11689A4B3200*
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In article <01GNOKTR962A9UMQ1U@LAGUNA.EPCC.EDU>, ARTG@LAGUNA.EPCC.EDU writes:
>
> We are looking for a Backup utility that has a Tape Management System with
> it.  Since we have a C.S.L.G. through DEC, we'd like it to be a DEC
> product.  However, third party software will be considered also.
>

and Ken Brucker replies:
>
>Then take a look at SLS from DEC.  It uses the regular VMS BACKUP utility and
>has a pretty complete tape management system built into it.


This is not entirely correct.  SLS uses a "pirated" version of BACKUP to which
source code modifications are made.  On our VMS 5.4-2 system, the version of
SLS we are using writes tapes identifying themselves as being written by
BACKUP version 5.3.  Thus, if you use SLS, you are using an "obsolete"
version of BACKUP.  All those nifty patches CSC distributes to fix BACKUP
problems, are of no use to the SLS user because the only way to get SLS to
use a new version of BACKUP is to get a new version of SLS, which seems to
be released roughly annually.  I'm aware of no cases where BACKUP patches
caused a corresponding SLS patch.  Look in the accounting log, the image
name isn't BACKUP; BACKUP is not callable.

What they *should* do, is modify BACKUP to support the features SLS needs
such as smart reel switching, rather than stealing the source and modifying
it.  But no, DEC can't be bothered to do a job *right*.

Grumpily, but willing to accept corrections if the above is incorrect,

Jim Kirkpatrick
University of Wyoming
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: What'd I do wrong (Installing VMS 5.5 ....) ???
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:55:16 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Aug15.004927.23723@oz.plymouth.edu>
oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) writes
about stuff in SYSTARTUP_V5.COM not being run; he mentions an error
resulting from some earlier queue setup stuff.
 
I had a similar problem, also on a 3100.
 
Do one or more of the folowing:
  --  $ SET NOON !at the top of SYSTARTUP_V5 so it won't EXIT back to the
                 ! STARTUP.COM procedure upon any error status from earlier
                 ! commands in SYSTARTUP_V5 -- I suspect this is your problem
  --  $ SET VERIFY !at the top of SYSTARTUP_V5 so you can see what's going on
  --  >>> B/1                        !conversational boot, so you can ...
      SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P2 "TRUE" ! which will set verify on for the *whole*
      SYSBOOT> CONTINUE              ! startup procedure
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: prins@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl (Ryko Prins)
Subject: Is there a ntp client for UCX?
Reply-To: prins@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl (Ryko Prins)
Organization: Leiden University, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 09:29:34 GMT

Does someone know if there is somewhere a ntp (the internet network time protocol) client for VMS? I need to get a reliable time source for my DTS
server. On my unix machines I use ntp to synchronize the time. It seems the most ideal way to get the right time for my VMS system would be to have a ntp client running on that system..

				Thanks in advance,
					Ryko Prins,
					Leiden University,
					the Netherlands
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Vax C Executables
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:26:35 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

In article <097DFAA0B63F40016D@PUCAL.BITNET>, RW764419@PUCAL.BITNET ("Robert Alan Whitaker, Jr.") writes:
|>         Is there any way that I can compile my VAX C programs so that they
|> take up less than the minimum of approx. 135 blocks that they take up now?

Probably :-) The C program

	main() { printf("Hello world\n"); }

will produce an executable that is either 5 or 119 blocks depending on
whether you link to the VAX C RTL object library or the VAX C RTL shareable
image. If you are

	defining a LNK$LIBRARY logical
or	specifying "SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCRTL/Lib" on the command line
or	specifying "SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCRTL/Lib" in an options file

then you will get a large executable. Note that someone may have 'helpfully'
defined the LNK$LIBRARY logical for you so that you don't need to do
anything special when building C programs. If you specify

	SYS$SHARE:VAXCRTL/Share

in an options file then you will get much smaller executables. Note that
this cannot be specified on the command line, probably because there is
already a /SHARE qualifier to the LINK command (which refers to the
executable output file).

Try creating a file (say VAXCRTL.OPT) containing the single line given above 
and then try the link command:

	LINK foo,VAXCRTL/Opt

The above also applies if you are using VAXCRTLG. See the guide to VAX C
for more info.

Why is C different to other languages? Well, the linker cannot
automatically reference the C RTL because it contains unqualified entry
points like "FPRINTF". In other languages (eg Fortran) these are
qualified by the TLA of the compiler (eg FOR$FPRINTF :-) Neil.
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From: KASHTAN@TGV.COM (David L. Kashtan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: New VAXes/VAXstations: can these be realized?
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:53:57 GMT
Organization: The Internet

> 
> Nah, TGV should be proud that they could write a complicated thing like
> Multinet in such generic C, all the while keeping to VMS' rules, so that
> all changes fit on one page. Quite a feat! (In this case, being a fairly
> small company probably helped  you know how hard it is to keep discipline
> among spoilt children...)
> 

If only it were true that we had such forsight!  The kudos really have to
go to DEC for making VMS on Alpha so much like VMS on VAX.  There were no
structural changes to MultiNet on Alpha.  The biggest change for us was in
going to a different "C" compiler (we use GCC on VAX and DEC "C", aka GEM C,
on Alpha).
David
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: grant@reg.triumf.ca (Peter A. Grant)
Subject: Re: Ethernet address from DCL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.103915.685@calmasd.prime.com>, kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker) writes...
>...
>How about "MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINE CHARA"?
> 
>But then you're probably looking for a lexical function huh?  :)
>...


This is what I ended up using - plus the "TO filename" to stick it into a 
file, parsed the file, and extracted the address into a symbol.

Still haven't been able to read the machine's SN off the back of the box -
not yet at least ;-).


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