From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin )
Subject: Re: Pentagrams
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:37:01 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.085454.4093@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo The Butcher=) writes:
>: In article <1992Dec23.013634.25055@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: >: and "righteousness" and other such artificialities. By and large christianity
>: >: IS "wrong" in that it is based on fallacies, lies, historical innacuracies
>: >: & delusions. For more on this see alt.atheist or (occasionally) alt.satanism.
>: >
>: >And you don't think that the pagan faiths are not? If so, then you have a 
>: >lot of reading to do.
>: 
>: Well!
>: SOMEONE seems to have had a shitty day!
>
>Nope - I just believe that the same criteria should be used to judge
>all - if you are going to judge at all.

Then why 5 three to four line flames in a row? No creativity?

>: I am well aware of the fast that most modern earth/pagan cults are based on
>: fallacies, lies & historical innacuracies, in fact I posted an article to this
>: effect on alt.satanism not more that 3 weeks ago.
>: The differnce is, I am a member of a "pagan sect" that _realizes_ its history,
>: or lack therof. I assume many (I wish most) pagans are aware that their 
>: religions were started in the 1960's as a part of a counterculture fad. Shit,
>: the Church of All Worlds, biggest & most influential pagan sect (according to
>: the encyclopedia of american religions) in this country, is based on a science
>: fiction story! *Thou Art God*
>
>The point was - does this make the pagan faiths "wrong"? If not, then why 
>does the same weakness make Christianity "wrong".

The reason Christianity is "wrong" (which BTW, I never said in the first place)
to my set of "morals" is because it has the noxious habit of attempting to
impose its set of repressive moral restrictions on my lifestyle. If we had
"jehovas witness" style Pagans going door to door, or attempting to teach
their dogma in publically funded schools, or running for office on 
"Pagan-centric" family values; then I would be more anti-pagan  than 
anti-christian.

Meanwhile, we have pagans whos religions are based on an equal or greater
fiction than christianity. For the most part, unless they get in my face about
it, I could care less. When they become self-righteous to the point on nausea,
it is time to use the sword of reason.

>: As far as lies & delusions, while this is inherently part of any sect, there
>: is certainly a lesser incidence of this type of thing among the (organized)
>: satanists. (barring the ONA of course)
>
>Delusions maybe. Lies? I don't think that I would state that they are
>"inherently part of any sect".

I suppose that depends on your definition of "lies."

Post followups to alt.satanism please. This has turned into something utterly
useless in the way of "magick" and the readers of alt.evil are more interested
in one-upping the "evilness" of the other with nasty stories.

My question was a simple one: What is the historical basis for the use of the
inverted versus the upright pentagram as a symbol of "evil" or satanism.
I have gotten no useful answers here, only parrots of the possible answers that
I stated were uninteresting in the beginning (i.e. symbol of a man, point to
hell etc...). How this turned into some riduculous comparison between xtianity
and the neo-pagan movement, I will never guess (actually, it was the result
of several pointless flames & the expected responses).


-Scott
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