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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:50:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.174442.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>
>Ok, I will bit. What is the history of Greenoch? It sounds to me that it may be
>in the vain of that anchient and secreat Welsh art Lapgoush aka Monty Python.

	Greenoch is the absolutely deadliest, most perfect MA ever conceived.
	It is the only true MA, PERIOD.

	Thank you very much.

	-A.V
From: toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (Jay toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:43:45 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
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In article <C1F5II.816@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com writes:
>In article <1jtekfINNj4r@pith.uoregon.edu>, toman@bovine.uoregon.edu
>(Jay toman) writes:
>|> I'm not sure how this is a "success" story. He didn't assault her, she
>|> assaulted him. You can't beat on somebody just because they annoy you,
>|> or scare you. The situation you describe just doesn't sound like it warrants
>      ^^^^^
> 
>I believe that Bernard Goetz(sp?) proved otherwise.  He actually killed
>someone because he felt threatened.

He didn't just feel threatened, he WAS threatened, with a weapon !
Sure, it's a very gray area, what's a real threat and what isn't, 
my point was that from my armchair-quarterback-hearing-it-second-hand
position, the woman in the story freaked out and blew it big time .

>

						J. Toman
From: gar@castle.ed.ac.uk (George Robertson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Celts
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:34:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

All this talk about the Romans beating the s*** out of the Celts. It is
well documented that the Romans actually fought against a race known as
the 'Picts'. At this time Scotland was known as Pictland (previously
known as Alba). The Romans incidently changed the name to 'Caledonia'.
The Romans also gave the Picts their name, which means 'Painted People'.

There is any area in Scotland (north of the Forth) which is still
referred to as 'The Kingdom of Fife'. This area was heavily populated
with Picts and the people of today are still very independant.

The Picts were a fierce lot which the Romans couldn't conquer, but they
did integrate with the locals.

Just to stir things up a bit; it is a *fact* that Pontious Pilate was born
in the village of Fortingall in Perthshire.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:00:53 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <C1FLD2.EoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Basically, the only animal that we (humans) would most likely be
>attacked by is a large dog. 

	Not here.  Here you're most likely to be attacked by fire ants,
except during the early spring, when it's armadillo mating season.  But
armadillos are only dangerous if your oilpan's too low.

								wr
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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: who is castaneda?
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:07:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1jp9ufINN8sk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
> 
> a few posts ago (i think it was andy's) the name Castaneda was mentioned.
> who is he, what kind of books does he write and is it something i could
> pick up in a public library?
> 

The name is Carlos Castaneda. There is a bit of controversy
surrounding him and his books, so I make no assertions.

He was purportedly a grad student in anthopology, who started out
talking to this old guy, Don Juan Matus, who had knowledge of
medicinal herbs. As it turns out, Don Juan is a practitioner of
esoteric arts, which he terms sorcery. The series of books are the
autobiographical account of Carlos' apprenticeship to Don Juan.

The techniques have many analogues in esoteric Buddhist and Taoist
yogas, as well as other traditions.

The series of books are:

The Teachings of Don Juan, a Yaqui Way of Knowledge
A Separate Reality
Journey to Ixtlan
Tales of Power
The Second Ring of Power
The Eagle's Gift
The Fire from Within
The Power of Silence

Journey to Ixtlan and Tales of Power are the best of the bunch IMHO,
followed by the Power of Silence.

Books by his fellow apprentices (allegedly ;-) )

Sorcerer's Crossing, by Taisha Abelar. Very good. Covers certain
topics Castaneda brushes over, and presents the woman's point of view.
(Carlos could be accused of being quite sexist.)

Being in Dream, by Florinda Donner. I haven't read this one, so I
couldn't say.

As an aside, (which makes this a little more relevant to this
newsgroup ;-) ) _Sorcerer's Crossing_ makes explicit reference to
martial arts and the effects of their practice on the sorcerer.

			cheers,
				Lorenzo
-- 
"...this pathetic lack of critical   ******************************
thinking reduces the foo foos to     *  Lorenzo Farris            *
...foo foo. Meaningless blobs of     *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
faceless energy...bland and homo-    ******************************
genized...like cold boiled [meat]"
	A.Alli, attributed to
		C.S.Hyatt.

                                        
                                        
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From: bukti@wam.umd.edu (Andrew F. Maddox)
Subject: Re: Taijetsu Question
Keywords: taijutsu, tai, te
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:51:16 GMT

A note:  a friend of mine is a 2nd dan in ninjutsu, and they call their
unarmed training tai (with the character for "body") - jutsu.  This
helps cut down on the stupid "oh, wow, are you a REAL ninja?" questions,
and the jokes about disappearing, etc., that he tends to get otherwise.
Well, except from the rest of us, who never miss a chance to give him a 
hard time about being a mystical assassin-warrior :-) (JOKE! Flame not!) 

Andy Maddox, a mixed-up stylist from Maryland (Hey to Bloomington - I
started there in hapkido 10 years ago (still practicing), and I do
miss the place sometimes.  Great Town!!)P:w


started there in hapkido, at Lee's, and still miss it.  great town!!)
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From: npalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas P Palmer)
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Keywords: Vetrinary Assisstant
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:29:45 GMT


I was also a practicioner of Vet Tech Do.  (GRIN)

What he said is right on, don't turn and flee.
The technique i usually employed was to step sideways and push the dog out
of the way, allowing it to land and not hurt itself.
This did backfire with a cat that jumped at me, because i pushed it away
and it landed behind me, it's kittens were in front of me, and the beast
became very very violent, no scars, though.

I also learned some holds for dogs and cats and raccoons and rabbits while
working at the vet.  Although, since I'm about 150lbs.  The holds didn't quite
work too well on Great Perinese (sp) or St. Bernards.  THey tend to just
get up and trundle off with you attached.
B]  Funny sight, me being dragged down the hall by this huge dog.....

Shade



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From: Kim Holburn <kim@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Taiji and T'ai Chi
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A785DB38AC010743@taijiquan.canberra.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:11:20 GMT
Organization: University of Canberra
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:40:06 GMT

In article <1323@xlnt.COM> David Johnson, david@xlnt.com writes:
>twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
>>renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault) writes:
>
>[excellent commentary by Terry deleted for brevity]
>
>>  +So, do we translate taijiquan into "boxing in harmony with ying and
yang"
>>  +or into "damn good boxing system".  Your guess, I respectfully
submit, 
>>  +is as good as mine.
>
>>No, I don't think so, I think mine is better :-).  While I think the 
>>former is closer to the meaning of the term than the latter, I think
>>a better approach is to keep the name in the Chinese, "Taiji" boxing
>>or "Taijiquan."  This forestalls the problems with mistranslation
>>and preserves it as a term in its own context.
>
>I agree with Terry completely.  The phrase Taiji is a Chinese concept
>and really does not have an equivalent in English so it is pointless
>in trying to translate it into English as Terry convincingly
>explained.

I didn't see the earlier parts of this thread but I'd like to add my
$00.02 worth.
There are many chinese martial arts with names based on principles of
chinese philosophy. BaGua is an example. I think it is a mistake to
translate taijiquan as "supreme ultimate boxing", although it is the
literal translation, it is not what was meant. Yin yang boxing seems to
me much closer to the original meaning. I have heard the terms "taiji
symbol" and "yin yang symbol" used interchangeably so I would say that
the term taiji does have an equivalent in english. 

Since the name taiji (or t'ai chi) is well known in the west there is no
reason to use a translation most of the time, any more than you would
want to use a translation of karate or judo (Hey, I'm going to my soft
way class). But it is instructive for taiji practicioners to understand
the meaning of the name of their art, especially since it can help with
an understanding of some of the techniques. I don't think the translation
"supreme ultimate boxing" or "damn good boxing system" is all that useful
in this regard whereas the other translation is more instructive.

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From: sandyl@soda.berkeley.edu (Sandy Lai)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Brandon Lee Movies
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:48:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

QUESTIONS ?
I heard that Jet Li is/was in hiding in mainlaand China for some reason-ois this true ?

Has Wong Fei Hong 3 been made ? Did Tsui Hark direct ?

What is the Chinese name of Swordsman 3 ?

Comments
Personally I think that both Swordsman films are great and fun as are both Once Upon a time in China films. All 4 films are tons of fun and really enjoyable. I recommend catching both films at the theater if possible.(The video quality are not really represntative of how good the films really look)

I though Jackie Chans Double Dragon was cool. My favorite of his recent flicks is Armour of God. PS his films are better than his singing!
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24726
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude) writes:

[story about disarming someone with well chosen words deleted]

   Anyway, what I was trying to say is that trained MA's stay calm
   in this sort situations. So you don't have to 'use' your art
   physically (eg punching) to be able to say 'I have experienced
   some very positive results because of my training'.

   Duh, does this still make any sense to anyone :-) ?

Absolutely.  The last fight I was in was when I was a 14 year old
yellow belt, 20 years ago.  But when people ask me If I've ever 
used my training, the answer is yes, nearly every day of my life.

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
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From: ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Leonard T Roberts)
Subject: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:15:11 GMT

In article <gfLiSHP0Bwx2R_Q_JF@transarc.com>
Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>
>        You know, those Midieval Samurai Killing Machines weren't
>particularly successful when they invaded China and Korea. Anyone out
>there have any theories on that?
>
>        Stephen
 
Sure, I've always got a theory. How about these reasons:
 
1. Everybody was a Killing Machine(tm). Every area of the world had LOTS
   of people who practiced Killing Machine(tm) techniques as much as
   the Samurai did.
2. Geography and supply lines. Samurai armies traveling to Korea or China
   to wage war were at the end of what was then a very long supply line.
   Logistics was not well evolved then and corruption was rampant. Its
   tough to fight when you're cold and starving.
3. Japanese Politics. From my own minimal readings in Japanese history,
   the Samurai were united in a common effort only twice. The first time
   was when the Mongols tried to invade Japan in the 12-13-14? century.
   The second time was when Tokagawa Ieyasu killed everyone who disagreed
   with him.
 
Len Roberts
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:31:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.103900.21082@yang.earlham.edu> youngjo@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Does anybody know what Sinawali(sp?) is?

	Yes.

>I've heard it's a brazilian martial art, and I think it
>might be the style used in the movie "The Mighty Quinn".

	Someone's been pulling one of yer three legs...

	Sinawali is an Arnis maneuver using either one or two
	canes.  The name comes from the Tagalog "to weave" (Tagalog
	and Ilocano are the two main Filipino dialects).  Single
	sinawali, which I never learned, uses one cane and double
	sinawali uses two.  When done expertly, it is a very beautiful
	thing to watch.  I also feel it has good MA value.  I have not
	studeied Arnis to any depth, but I feel it is a good art, largely
	in keeping with my personal nature.  Lots of strikes and joint
	locks.  YUM!
>
>Apparently, it uses a lot of spinning techniques from the ground, and
>looks like a cross between northern-style kung fu and breakdancing.

	Thsi sounds like Capoeiria (sp???).  Very different and not to
	my liking, but then, I am largely ignorant of this method.
>
>Does anyone practice it, or know where it's taught?  It looks like
>it could be a great complement to "hard" style linear arts.

	Look for Arnis instructors.  Dan Inosanto and Remy Presas come
	to mind.

	-Andy V.
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From: ejdath@oscar..bellcore.com (E.J. Dath)
Subject: Re: Boston Internal MA School
Keywords: Dr. Jwaming Yang (sp?), Internal MA school, Boston
Reply-To: ejdath@oscar.UUCP (E.J. Dath)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:37:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.175656.10073@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mgwg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (TechnoKnight) writes:
>
>Hello all,
>
>	I have a question about Dr. Jwaming Yang (sp?).  He has an
>internal MA school at Boston.  He wrote several books (ie. Sholin
>China, Tai Chi Yang Style, Chi Kung, and etc) and sumbits articles
>to an internal Kung Fu magazine.  From his books, he seems to know
>what he is doing.  Is he really that good?  Is there anyone out there
>that knows and has experienced with the person (seen him in action?).
>Will it be worth $210 to fly down spring break and visit his school?
>
>			Sincerely,
Well, there is a guy in my school who had maintained a correspondence with
him.  I don't know if he still does, but a few years ago I remember him
saying that he had learned alot from this guy.  My friend has since moved
on to intense Ba Gua training, but he still does teach No. ShoaLin and
TaiChi.  I really respect my friend's abilities and training and if he
got something out of it, it's probably worth it.  That is of course
depending on how much that $210 and the time is worth to YOU.

E.J.


Disclaimer, disclaimer, Hey, it's me...

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From: jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost)
Subject: Re: Openings.
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:07:10 PST

In article <QfM7grL0Bwx2QsxH02@transarc.com> Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>	A "philosophical" disagreement has arisen in email, and I
>thought that I'd throw it out on the net for discussion.
>
>	It has to do with openings, suki, or whatever you wish to call
>them.
>
>	We have 2 different viewpoints on the matter:
>
>	1) No matter how good the martial artist is, there are _always_
>openings which can be exploited by their opponent(s).
>
>	2) The _best_ martial artists do not give their opponents _any_
>openings to exploit. Either by timing, or positioning, the openings
>only occur when and where their opponent(s) cannot take advantage of them.

My opinion is (almost) #1 (not reading my mail properly again
Stephen!!).  I say there are Always openings in martial arts
techniques. It is up to the martial artist to discover (through
continuous practise) what these openings are, learn to minimalize them
and (again, through constant practise), learn how to make them as
"impossible as possible" to be exploited.

By agreeing to option #2, above, you have already agreed that opening
*DO* occur!  An opening is something which leaves you vulnerable to
attack from another angle/person. Ifno openings ever exist, this would
make one invincible!  Anyone know of any invincible MAists?

What doo the rest of you think?

Julian
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From: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton)
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Organization: University of Waterloo Software Liberation Army
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:43:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.001411.10451@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> Is chi (ki) real? I know the theory, but I'm wondering what people think
> about it. 

Ki is in your mind.  Is your mind real?

And no, I don't mean that sarcastically.

 -Guy
From: hogue@cs.arizona.edu (Justin C. Hogue)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:45:41 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>>>>I'd be interested to know (from a wide sample of people) how fights start.

>>>  This oughta make you think....
>>> At an arcade, two guys my size hog the game from me and some kids.  After 

>>This is why I make it a point to myself never to be "obtrusive" until
>>I'm at least a 3rd gup.  
>Like Joel I have to wonder...why 3rd kyu/gup? 
>
(this is in reference to the "I'm unobtrusive to assholes now, but when I'm
a blackbelt...." line of stuff)
  Why change.  I hate people who are cowards until they know they can 
beat you (such as people who wait until you turn your back, etc.).  If you 
don't talk back now, don't talk back ever.  Your best asset would be to 
not let MA change you really--kinda like letting all those assholes change
you (if you like inferring things into life) in a way you didn't control.
Well, everytime I post to this group I get wordy, so I'll stop here.
--Jowfus
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From: npalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas P Palmer)
Subject: Re: RAVEN and TV shows (was Re: Space Rangers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:36:54 GMT

In article <19930122.112812.11@almaden.ibm.com> dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas) writes:
>Sad news to report about our friend Jeffrey Weeks. I saw a TV interview
>with him a few months ago and he claimed to have NOT studied martial
>arts. He is coached for each fight scene by someone who evidently
>has studied some martial arts. Bummer that Hollywood couldn't come up
>with a martial artist who was also an actor. The way it stands, you
>could picture Meeks selling sparring equipment and saying "I'm not a
>martial artist, but I play one on TV..."

AUGH! My image is shattered (not).
Oh well, that's what I was wondering or not, glad to have found out.
Hmm... He does have a hell of a lot fo flexibility and mild prowess to pick up
some things, but that could also be a stunt double...
  A flying double kick (HWRANG-DO STYLE?) in one episode comes to mind.

Hmm.. Interesting.

Shade
From: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: SEALs
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <24673@alice.att.com> garry@alice.UUCP () writes:

>   Considering the HK criminals now have weaponary such as AK-47
>   and grenades with a willingness to kill and injure, I think the
>   HK police's action are justified.
>
>Bullshit.  State terrorism is never justified.
>
>   Their and other people's lives
>   are at stake and although this was an unfortunate incident the
>   apprehension of such criminals is of utmost importance.
>
>No.  The preservation of liberty is of utmost importance.
>Long after these victims or criminals are gone, your kids and
>grandkids will be dealing with the results of what we do to our
>constitution (what's left of it).

>Garry Hodgson			

I think you don't realise the gravity of the situation in HK.

Criminals are desperate and they won't give a second glance in killing you.
When you are doing a raid, you will surely be highly strung; your life and
your friend's lives are at stake. 

You can't have this nagging thought in your mind when you are on a raid...
" Should I apprehend this guy with force or ask him if he is a criminal first?"

If you aren't 100% committed in what you are doing, it may cost you your life.
This kind of statement about liberty ... isn't reflected in the criminals.
Criminals don't play by the rules, if they did then catching them would be much
easier and no one will be hurt.


I am not saying that we should act like the criminals to catch them, but we
must take a much more stronger stance in apprehending them. If they see that
we make allowances then they will always have an advantage over the legal 
system. 

Criminal activities will always be with us, as is the legal system that
tries to uphold law and order.


"What is right and what is wrong...?"


Kam :-)

P.S. I can easily write the opposite in the next article, which shows that
     there are really no real sure answers to such a debate. 
     Life is like a massive program with millions of bugs... once you fixed
     one, another ten appears!



--
kwp@ukc.ac.uk   : Msc Electronic Engineering  
                : University of Kent at Canterbury (0227)764000 ext 7752
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Subject: Re: Jet Lee
From: pleu1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Patrick Pui-Wah     Leung          )
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:59:26 GMT
 <1993Jan25.002337.16445@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> <C1Fu6F.Aqy@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> <2839@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

>This is a MUST for all Martial Artists interested in films, once you have seen
>this, Jackie Chan doesn't compare... and I used to admire Jackie's Films...

>Kam. :-)

>P.S. Jet Lee has done various Shoalin Temple movies, another about a Chinese
>     MA display team in America and two Wong Fei Hung films. He is, from what
>     I hear, filming the 3rd Wong Fei Hung flick in Beijing, China.

I've seen the two Wong Fei Hung films and they were great! Can't wait for the
third one. I heard somewhere that this guy was some sort of kung-fu champ in
China. Does anyone out there know anything else about this?

-- 
Patrick Leung - pleu1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
"Judo? You can't do it on the beach!" - Saeed Rasavi

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