From: chemosh@pain.abyss.com (Kai Allard-Liao)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:03:20 GMT
Organization: Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth
X-Useragent: Ghostwheel

In article <1992Apr9.181844.21589@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) whined:

>In article <1992Apr6.230013.24086@anasaz> best@anasaz (Mike Best) writes:
>>  Second, the only way you could believe this would be if you,
>> Dowdy, were willing to be personally responsible for the 
>> actions of your great grandfather/mother.  Are you willing to 
>> suffer the sins of your relatives?  Naturally, most people would 
>> _not_ feel responsible for they themselves had not committed >> the
action. 
>This is the problem. Most whites don't see that not much has
> changed for AfAms in this country. Just because you don't see 
> AfAms being beaten and lynched as much now days doesn't mean 
> that the attitudes and enviornment which breeds such behavior 
> has changed. 

Hmmmmm.  You can vote.  You can't be enslaved (and, the rest of this
flame notwithstanding, my opinion in white and black: SLAVERY IS, WAS,
AND WILL BE EVIL.  Regardless of who's doing it, to whom, or why.). 
There are "AfAm" mayors, Congressmen, Governors (if I'm not mistaken, I
may be), and an 
"AfAm" Supreme Court justice.  Pardon my ignorance, but it seems like a
whole hell of a lot has changed.

>>  Liberals believe in group rights and group responsibility (social >>
is the operative prefix to a well known "ism" here) and I don't 
>> like being held responsible for something I didn't do.
> Maybe YOU didn't do it but what are you doing to change it. In a 
> robbery situation YOU may not have done the robbery but you are 
> held responsible for being an accessory.

*knock knock*  HELLO, ANYONE HOME?  No, I didn't do it.  I never enslaved
anyone.   Did my ancestors?  Yes.  Direct ancestors, in fact.  Am I
particularly proud of it?  No.  Do I feel responsible for what they did? 
Yeah, sure.  Saying I'm an "accessory" to something my great-grandfather
did that, in any case, was not necessarily (to him) a crime, is like
saying that if a man goes out, robs a convenience store and kills the
clerk, then escapes, goes into hiding, and raises a family, his kids
ought to be charged with murder.   If you seriously believe this, you
ought to have your head examined.

>>  I also suggest that if compensation is handed out that the 
>> continent of Africa is also held responsible for the AF-AMs own 
>> "brothers" were quite involved in obtaining the unfortunate 
>> future slaves of the New World.  Address this!
>Well first of all europeans enslaved Africans and transported 
> them to America, not Africans. Europeans seperated families, 
> worked the slaves to death and killed them...not Africans. 

You're missing the point.  Again.  Go read your history (and a _real_
history book, not one written by some professor of African American
Studies more interested in making every white man on the planet look like
the antichrist than with history).  African tribes fought each other,
enslaved each other, and sold each other off to the whites just as
happily as they possibly could.  They managed to do it to each other for
quite a few centuries before the Europeans ever showed up, in fact.  If
you think the life of Africans before the Europeans arrived was a time of
pastoral peace and brotherhood, you're only fooling yourself.  Yes,
Africans were directly responsible for the enslaving of other Africans,
and that is a basically indisputable _fact_.  They did it, they should
pay for it, too.

> African slaves worked for this country for centuries and made it
> what it is today via FREE labor due to the european slave traders
> and masters... NOT AFRICANS. 

Ah, so African slaves made the US what it is today.  Well, in that case,
you'd all better start paying _us_ back for drug wars, bankrupt
businesses, the savings and loan failures, and Operation Eagle Claw.  And
by the way, sorry, George, Tom, Ben, Patrick, and the rest of you
guys...we must've exaggerated.  You didn't really help make this country
what it is today by providing it with freedom from Britain and the
Constitution that's still in use today -- in fact, it was made what it is
today by the African slaves you kept secretly chained in your bedrooms
and consulted on political affairs every night.

> There were jews involved in the capture and murder of other 
> jews in the jewish holocaust but no one would dare imply that
> the jews were responsible or played a major partin the murder
>  of their own people. 

Oh, really?  Fine.  If any Jews assisted in the atrocity that we remember
by the name of the Holocaust, then they are just as guilty as any Nazi
who ever ran a gas chamber, and I'd hang them just as fast.  And,
incidentally, I can't remember if there was any truth to those age-old
rumors of Hitler being part Jewish, but he may, in fact, have had at
least some Jewish blood.  Clarification is requested, please, by
_knowledgable_ persons.

> This would only try to diminish the resposibility of the nazi's 
> role. This is true when whites try to say that Africans enslaved
> Africans for the slave trade.

No, it doesn't diminish the responsibility of the Nazis at all.  But it
adds responsibility to any Jews who _did_ help them.  Likewise the
responsibility of my _ancestors_ -- not me -- isn't decreased by the
actions of the Africans who enslaved other Africans.  But it's your
responsibility, too. 

>Dowdy Jackson

And I'm damned if I'm going to be labeled a racist for this.  Racism is
one thing, criticizing stupidity is another.

	Regards,
				Kai