HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Date: 16 Aug 1992 00:21:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <14509@borg.cs.unc.edu> 
harris@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
| In article <1992Aug14.165718.17628@tcsi.com> chuckm@dakota.tcs.com
| (Chuck Meares) writes:
| >
| >I did not see smileys or any such things and assumed what I assumed.  Shoot
| >me for not having a proper net.humor quota, but my thoughts still stand.

*Smileys*?  Eeegads.  Well, hand me a gun and I will shoot you 
for that.

| This is always the way, isn't it?  Every lesbigay I know is at one
| extreme or the other on sarcasm.  I, like many of my friends, view
| sarcasm as a high art form.  Yet, some (less I believe than the other
| group) never get sarcasm, period.

I assume that anyone who talks to me or reads what I've written 
understands sarcasm.  Yes, this has led to some confusion and
much unanticipated fun, but that's just the way it is.

| Has anyone else out there noticed this?  

No.

Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:02:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug18.122434.5222@macc.wisc.edu> <64226@cup.portal.com>
  <l92d5nINNfnf@mizar.usc.edu>

adolphson whines:
>> Given the way he's behaving, I would not be at all surprised if
>> the answer to this is "NO".
>
>I can't tell you how much this love and support means to me.
>I love you all.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Get stuffed.  And no, you may NOT enjoy it.

>> () The biggest barrier to communication is the assumption
>> () that it's taking place.30 to 33 of 33 (100%)
>
>Tell me about it.

Obviously, *SOMEONE* needs to.  If you didn't like the idea,
you could simply refrain from posting an introduction, or a simple
"I don't think this will work."  Lovegod's been around long
enough that we know he's not one of the Strayt Predator Twits
hanging around the periphery of .motss who deserve a spray
of bile; you were, simply, being a picayune, NASTY little shit.
 
() It is better to never have tried anything than to have
() tried something and failed.
()      -- motto of jerks, weenies and losers everywhere
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: interrobang? (was Re: gay liberation)
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:56:41 GMT

(References: line deleted to start a new thread)

In article <7=0m2-b.jfh@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.080351.6841@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) 
>writes:
>>
>>When I was first realizing I was gay, I had the help of a well
>>intentioned but not perfect high school counselor. He gave me this
>>weird book to read titled "Straight talk about homosexuality for
>>straight readers". 
>
>You read that book!?  (When is the interrobang going to be added to the
>ASCII character set?)  [rest of article removed]

"interrobang"?  Sounds like a bunch of captors trying to beat
information out of a captive by forced congress :-)

(Yes, I see the derivation of the word 'interrobang,' in case anyone was
wondering)

----------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
<Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
Always collect lots of data.  It makes it look like you've been doing
something.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay names
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug22.100043.28128@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> This Roger could be characterized as villain, philanderer,
> and nerd.  He is, however, the most gorgeous creature I've
> ever known (saw him just yesterday) and he's the heir to a
> $4 billion fortune.

Sounds adorable!  I just *love* putting on heirs.

[Jess:]
> >> ...  Besides the name Jess, though hardly the present writer,
> >> is pretty butch, I think.
[I:]
> >Not in Scotland, it's not. :-)
> 
> Really (because we are the Scottish variety of Andersons,
> not the Scandinavian sort)?

Pop quiz: which Scottish singer is known to his friends as Jessie?

> >ObNonSequitur: Where *are* all these wasps coming from?
> ...
> Are you drinking soft drinks?  They make for sugar over
> quite a distance, I think.

Maybe these are aspartame or mineral water wasps.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: doggy style
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: BIG DOGS vs. the deer
Originator: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: novelists-in-progress
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:47:34 GMT

edited highlights of recent correspondence between dean and arnold on
the topic of BIG DOGS.  the preceding context is a series of episodes
in which dean, out running in lugano, comes upon playful, handsome,
and sexually enthusiastic BIG DOGS being walked by their owners.
(needless to say, dean is a william wegman fan, as am i, thanks to
him.)

-----

DEAN: [Officials in Columbus] are trying to find ways to cut down on
the [deer] population [in a local park], without endangering any of
the people who live in the area.  Bobcats and such are right out,
since they can carry off small children.  My mother read of a wolf
that is supposedly harmless to humans, and eats deer.  But of course,
if one ever does attack some brat who is trying to set fire to his
[presumably dean means the wolf's, not the brat's - amz] tail, that
will be the end of the park service.

So, of course, I suggested my answer to all problems lately - BIG
DOGS!  Even more legendarily gentle with children, and still capable
of taking out a deer...  Imagine a pack of BIG DOGS roaming the park at
night.

ARNOLD: yes, i see those BIG DOGS loping along the paths through the
woods, their gigantic wet pink tongues lolling out of one side
of their gaping mouths, moonlight catching their sharp white
teeth every so often.  and the deer, driven crazy by the barking
and baying of the dogs, darting in fear first one way, then
the other, crashing through the underbrush and out onto the
roads, heedless of all risks beyond those savagely hungry dogs.

dean..., you can apparently eroticize *anything*, even
animal-fear-of-death.  of course, you caused me long ago to look at
dogs in a new way.

DEAN: I was also imagining running with the hounds on that moonlit
midnight, earning my ears as a bone-a-fido (...How many languages
is that pun in?  I feel just like James Joyce) member of the pack by
running naked with the hounds, bringing down an old stag, holding him
while my pack mates tear his flesh.  Afterwards, we celebrate in an
orgy of venison and doggy sex - at daybreak, the trackers survey the
kill, and notice human footprints among those of the dogs and deer.  I
wonder what he was doing out here?  they ask.

(I just sent  a message to FJ!! in which I realized that talking about
sex is much more real than rubbing and cumming - and that when you
post some of our things, we can have sex with all of soc.motss at
once.)

------

and so we can...

woof woof,
  arnold
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Melissa P. Chase)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: need good bible arguments AGAINST the anti-gay passages
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:09:04 GMT
	<CARLTON.92Aug21215129@scws1.harvard.edu>
	<1992Aug22.030829.6946@cis.ohio-state.edu>
	<CARLTON.92Aug22142612@husc10.harvard.edu>
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA

In article <CARLTON.92Aug22142612@husc10.harvard.edu>
carlton@husc10.harvard.edu (david carlton) writes:

   In article <1992Aug22.030829.6946@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

   >in article <CARLTON.92Aug21215129@scws1.harvard.edu>
   >carlton@scws1.harvard.edu (david carlton) writes, about peter gomes,
   >undoing homophobic wielders of the bible, in the new york times:

   >> And, one might add, he is gay.

   > pleased as i am to hear that excellent people are queer, i am
   > always a bit saddened to hear "and (s)he is gay" appended right
   > after someone's defense of our rights, as if only queers would stand
   > up for them.  

   At any rate, I didn't say what I did because of the above.  I just
   wanted to point out to members of our family who weren't aware of it
   already that Gomes was also a member of our family.  That's all.

Well, I too was going to remind non-Harvard motssers that the Rev.
Gomes was gay, but I wanted to verify my recollection of the events
first (which Steve Dyer summarized), and David and Steve beat me to
it.  Not to dilute the affect of his NY Times piece, but because of
the intrinsic interest of (1) his being gay, (2) the circumstances
under which he came out, and (3) Harvard's standing behind him when
conservative groups tried to oust him.

	Penny
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Those Who Are Gone Now
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:16:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.101733.28399@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:
>
>>Tom Shearer
>
>Him I didn't know or know of.

He was the first editor of "Diseased Pariah News".  He posted to ba.motss
occasionally, and I think to soc.motss as well.  Both Tom Ace and I have
written about him or DPN. 

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From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:12:43 EDT

In article <1992Aug12.171430.6840@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
> Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu> wrote: 
> ->After reading about masculine gay men looking for men like them and
> ->all the bitching and screaming about their attitudes, etc.  I have
> ->a question for the gaynet world.
> ->
> ->Why is it that gay people in general, look at masculine gay men
> ->that don't fit the stereotype as guys who are not gay or not
> ->being themselves?  Is there a brochure or a guide on how to dress
> ->and/or act gay?  Are there organizations where we have to join in
> ->to be a part of the gay community?  I've always wondered about
> ->these questions all these years since I seem to just don't fit
> ->in the gay community even though I *am*, in fact, 100% gay.
>

I have heard more biased statements from "masculine" men directed toward
those they perceive as effeminate or "queeny", then I have heard going the
other way.  Any bias in the gay community seems to be in favor of the masculine 
stereotype.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank R. Chloupek 
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu 
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just a Ohio State University) 

"Get off the cross, girl!  Somebody needs the wood."   
Dolly Parton in "Straight Talk"
From: hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Flanders & Swan; Was: Anna Russell: I Gave My Love A Cherry
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:00:35 GMT
	<1992Aug6.162947.14487@unlinfo.unl.edu>
	<1992Aug15.023910.13919@kpc.com>
	<1992Aug15.113204.15871@quantime.co.uk>
Organization: The Turing Institute, Ltd.

sleat@kpc.com (Michael Sleator) writes:
> There are other good lines, such as when Francis (the reluctant
> cannibal) says, "I'll never let another man past my lips!"

And Francis had *such* a camp lilt!

"Have you been talking to one of your mothers again???"

"If The Joo-Joo had meant us not to eat people,
 he wouldn't have made us of MEAT!"

	-Don
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject:  EEO Poll... please read
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:53:57 GMT

Hi folks...

First off, please do not do a follow-up to this.  If you
choose to respond electronically, please netmail to
"tdbear@tandon.com".  I would much rather you send snail mail
(the reason will be clear in a moment), so please send to: Tom
Barrett; P.O. Box 87; Moorpark, CA 93020.

I want to build a library of actual EEO policies and also
information on the corporate climate and general area climate
for companies in the technical areas (not just limited to
computers) as well as universities and colleges.  The library
will be donated to a national g/l technical organization.  You
do not have to send me your name or address, but I will be
happy to accept it and it will not be released to anyone else
(it would come in handy if I have any more questions, etc.).

Please send:

1) Actual EEO policies (available free through your personnel
department) or if you must a good xerox copy.

2) Your general impression of your department and of the
company in regard to g/l acceptance (ie. is everyone friendly,
is there a glass ceiling, does your boss hate you, are you
and/or others out, etc.).

3) What if any benefits are afforded to domestic partners (ie.
health insurance, death leave, etc.)?

4) Is there a g/l group for people at your workplace?
(Enclose a flyer and/or newsletter if available and possible).
What about a g/l conference on the company network?

5) Are there any local g/l professional organizations which you or
others belong?  Please include name,address,phone, and/or
flyer/newsletter.

6) What about the g/l city climate?  Are there any g/l
specific laws (good or bad)?  About how many g/l bars? Any
newsletters/papers? Any resource centers and community
centers?  Social groups?  Safe sex clubs (business or private)?
Any g/l special interest "fun" groups (like bowling, biking,
skiing, boating, hiking, camping, pool, cards, etc.)?  What
about g/l political and protest groups?

7) And, any thing else you can get that might be of interest
to someone who is considering changing jobs and/or location.

Thanks!
Tom

-- 
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[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii)
Subject: Re: UNGAY GAY
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:06:17 GMT

In article <12AUG92.17000394@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) wrote:
>This sound much like what we did at Rooster Rock on a grander scale
>(30 or so motssers at a time) in the Columbia River.  Unfortunately 
>we didn't have any measuring tape or other measuring devices, so we
>just had to amuse ourselves with mangoes and each other.

I had envisioned something like this being a standard features at bars that
could have fun with such things.  Newcomers are weighed, and then told to
strip and are then dunked.  The results could be posted for amusement and the
fellow dunked gets a few free drinks and a warm, dry towel.

Of course, such a thing could be abused by people who are fastidious <sp?>
about density ratios and such.  But that's not the type of bar I'd even go
to.

Peter Thomas


-- 
"I'll lose my beard when they shave it from my cold, dead face!"

Quote from the Razor's Anonymous Handbook

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: gay liberation
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: bibliographic information
Organization: slightly more than last week
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:11:03 GMT

_The Gay Mystique_ is by Peter Fisher [no `c'], published in 1972
by Stein and Day in New York and Saunders in Toronto.  [so much
for that *icky* shift key...]

really quite good, especially for its time.

i discover from the back cover of my copy (purchased in 1973)
that it won one of the (second annual) gay book awards from
the american library association.  even i had forgotten how
quickly institutions of all sorts arose in the gay [modern
translation: lesbigay] world back in those heady days.

arnold
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:23:22 GMT

Rob and I had one main thing in common:  country music.  We ran into
each other at the Rawhide or Thunder Bay every month or so, we would
talk a little and dance a dance, me leading.  He wasn't the best c&w
dancer I've known, but he loved country dancing and country music and
the cowboy life.  That's a lot, really -- to have something you love,
and live it as far as you can.  More than a lot of us do in this life.

He could be harsh about urban cowboy wannabes -- not that he was the
Marlboro Man himself.  And I was as wannabe as you can get -- but I
could dance, and I was his friend, so it was ok.  That was one thing
about Rob -- he could be real harsh on the net, but if you were his
friend, you were his friend, and that was that.

I went out two-stepping the evening of the day Rob died.  I knew he'd
been ill, but didn't know yet that he had died.  I kept sort of looking
for him, then rembering that he wouldn't be there because he was sick.
I have a feeling I'm going to be looking for him, and then remembering,
for a long time to come.

I'm listening to KSAN as I type this -- seems appropriate.  And now, in
Rob's memory, a medly of country-western songs, great dance tunes all:

Dwight Yoakum's in the corner
trying to catch my eye
Lyle Lovett's right beside
me with his hand upon my thigh.  
...
Hey Dwight, Hey Lyle,
Boys, you don't have to fight.
Hot dog!  I feel lucky tonight.
--
Don't call him a cowboy 
until you've seen him ride.  
--
My heros have always been cowboys.  
--
I want to be a cowboy's sweetheart
I want to learn how to rope and to ride.
From Billings down to Laramie 
the cowboys take good care of me.
--
And who's this cowboy 
who's sleeping beside me?  
He's real cute but
how'd I get his shirt on?  
I had too much tequila last night.
--
When I die I may not go to heaven.
I don't know if they let cowboys in.
If they don't, just let me go to Texas,
'cause Texas is as close as I've been.

Rest in peace, Rob.

I still don't really believe he's gone.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: the ""oh"" experience
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:57:33 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) wrote:
>Besides the "oh" and "ah-hah" experiences, there are countless more.
>When I came out to my friend Jason in New York, I said, basically,
>"Well, I couldn't come into the city last weekend because I went up to
>Boston -- the Boston Gay Pride Parade was that weekend, and I wanted
>to march because I'm bisexual."  Jason's response was, and I quote,
>"Ooh!"

This reminded me of a friend's coming out to me.  She and I were "together"
during our senior year in high school.  We had all our classes together and
dated through the year, and had an intense emotional relationship, but no
sex.  Two years later, she and I went out (she already knew I am gay), and
she started discussing her life in Boston.  She talked about dating for a 
few minutes, how she was having a number of one night stands, etc.  Finally
she said, "I just wish I could find a woman to settle down with."  Not 
thinking at all that she could be gay, (a mistake I will never make again)
my reaction was a very shocked, "Oh!"

It turns out now our entire circle of friends are queer.  None of us had
any idea back in high school.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:04:36 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <1992Aug18.170149.27264@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod) writes:

|> Just because you may be PMSing doesn't mean you have to be  
|> a bitch.  There are certain medications you can take, dear, like Midol 2000.   
|> They even make a night-time version. 

This is out of line - you're trying to insult someone by 
ascribing to them a medical condition which affects women,
and a common put-down for women who don't behave as
their men would like them to.  
As has been pointed out before, this is insulting and
offensive to women.  Think about it.

Also - don't try to out-nasty-bitch Arne.  You can't
do it and you'll only make yourself look foolish.

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: net queen??
Keywords: brutal passion
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:22:52 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug20.022648.21099@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:

>Anyway,
>I remember a time when Wendy was indisputably net.motss
>Head Lesbian;  let's see if she can get the title back without
>grabbing the nearest mare by the withers with her teeth and 
>throwing her to the ground. 

Video at 11:00, I hope.

-- 
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: la.motss
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:58:53 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA


   Well, in the afterglow of the .con, Michael Simpson suggested to me
and a few other la.motssuers that we should start a mailing list/newsgroup
for LA/OC related motss happenings. I thought this would be great idea
and redistributed Michael's request to as many people in the area as
I could have think of. Generalities of the list will be similar in
nature to the ba. and ne.motss lists -- local events and get togethers,
local politcal and general interest issues for GBLO's in the greater
LA area. 
   The response has been very good from the people I've heard back
from. Kraig Meyer has set up a temporary list on la-motss@pompei.usc.edu.
The popular desire is to actually create a new newsgroup la.motss, 
which I will instigate. 
   If you are interested in signing up for the la-motss mailing list,
you interested in subscribing to the mailing list send a request
to la-motss-request@pompei.usc.edu. Kraig is currently doing this
by hand, so be kind :-)
   Also, I suspect that we will need to do a call for votes on 
the la.motss group. If you would like to vote for/against it
send me mail and I will keep track of the votes until I get
this formalized.
-- 

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