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From: eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
Subject: Interns and Corpses
Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.200502.1125@advtech.uswest.com>
stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:

>Brain dead people do NOT MOVE in response to stimuli.  If you really
>have seen dozens of ultra sounds, then you know that fetuses DO.

False.  Stimuli have to be pretty extreme, that's all....  Anybody out
there who knows more about hospitals than I do have any gruesome
stories about what interns have done with corpses for Mr. Stevens?

-- 
Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.

Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Thomas L. Burleigh)
Subject: Re: Violence in FL???
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:09:14 GMT


 Some of ya'll really seem to like the article I wrote concerning Governor
Edwards comments, LA's metro comparison, the National Guard, etc....
 Some of ya'll posted it as a followup three or four times now *without*
any additional comment! Didn't mean to leave ya'll speechless... :)
 BTW, we just got convoys in from Indiana. Thanx ya'll!

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From: bleck@aztec.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Monkey Jungle
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:30:08 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


|> Cape Florida State park - devastated (all trees and buildings down) except
|>                           for the lighthouse, which is intact (they knew
|>                           how to build back in 1822 :-))


*All* trees down?  i.e. all the Casurinas (Australian Pines) down?  I hope
so, and thank god, it needed it badly!  When I moved to Miami in 1975, you
could still see the lighthouse over the trees from the bay, but eventually
they just grew too think and tall.  

I guess that's probably one of the neatest things abot hurricanes--much the
indiginous vegetation that was meant to survive, does, and all the exotics
take a beating.  Now an effort has to be made to keep them from regrowing,
while they're down.

-Olaf
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From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Miccosuke Indian Village
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.161000.1623@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> kuh@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
	((Kevin Hill) Ext. Agent - Collier) writes:
> The Miccosukee Indian Village on the Trail was hit pretty hard by Andrew.
> Amazingly, the traditional chickee huts (built from cypress poles and palm
> fans) withstood the storm far better than the mobile homes and travel
> trailers in the reservation.
>
> As you may know, since the Miccosukees are recognized as their own nation,
> they are not eligible for federal aid, but they are receiving relief from
> surrounding reservations farther to the north, as well as the Bureau of
> Indian Affairs...

Following is a bulletin received this morning by the NativeNet project.
(Write to me, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us, for more information on NativeNet.)

| Newsgroups: gen.nativenet
| Path: gnosys!BU.EDU!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe
| From: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
| Subject: Miccosukee Hurricane Relief
| Message-ID: <9209041246.AA03078b@mamia.UUCP>
| Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:46:16 GMT
| Lines: 36
|
| Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
|
| Since the Red Cross relief information was posted here, a relief
| effort specific to the Miccosukee Tribe which our nativenet
| members may be interested in helping through is as follows:
|
| Miccosukee Tribe Relief Fund, account number 1596112418. Mail
| to Miccosukee Tribe Relief Fund, Barnett Bank, 13750 SW 8 Street,
| Miami FL 33184.
|
| Electric power to the reservation may not be restored for many weeks.
| The U.S. military has provided two 30 KWh diesel generators for the
| duration, one of the few times that the tribe has ever accepted
| outside help. As you may know, the Miccosukee tribe was never
| defeated by the U.S. military after withdrawing to the Everglades
| after the "Trail of Tears" atrocities, and has remained fiercely
| independent. But with the unprecedented devastation of the storm,
| they have been unable to cope alone. During the hurricane, the tribal
| government buildings were opened to non-natives as a designated
| hurricane shelter.
|
| The Miccosukee reservation is 20 miles west of Miami, along Tamiami
| Trail between Miami and Fort Myers in the Everglades.
|
| Thanks for all your good wishes. Our own situation is far better
| than that of many, and we urge those so moved to assist those
| needy others who have not fared as well.
|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Peshewegunzh
|
| peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
| mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
| peshe@mamia.UUCP
| mthvax!mamia!peshe
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Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:19:51 GMT

In article <Bu46L1.629@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.192220.16730@sequent.com>, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes...
>  >interesting that there were no reports of looting in Louisiana. 

>Actually, I happened across an article the other day where someone
>was asking that same question to Edwin Edwards (governor of 
>Louisiana).  He said that in some ways he wasn't surprised that
>there was little if any looting in the affected Louisiana areas
>given the type of people in Louisiana. 

I know this has nothing to do with cats, but I find this discussion
interesting.  A member of the Boulder County Sheriff's department was,
until 5 years ago, a patrolman in New Iberia, LA.  It was in the
Boulder paper about a week and a half ago that the Chief of Police in
New Iberia had contacted the Boulder Sheriff to see if he could borrow
this person back for a while, since he was familiar with the
territory.  They've been publishing periodic reports in the Boulder
Camera about what's going on there, and our loaned sheriff said that
there was a great deal of looting and many arrests being made there.
(He gave a number of daily arrests ... I can't remember it, but I
remember being astonished at the high number of arrests for a city the
size of New Iberia.)

This would seem to contradict Governor Edwards' claim that Louisiana
was not having problems with looting ...





--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:07:52
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In-reply-to: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu's message of Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:20:55 GMT

In article <Aug31.182055.37255@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:

> Anyway, here's some data on the energy expenditure of a hurricane,
> courtesy the NWS

>  "While a hurricane lives, the transaction of energy within its circulation
>   is immense.  The condensation heat energy released by a hurricane in one
>   day can be the equivalent of energy released by fusion of four hundred
>   20-megaton hydrogen bombs.

Hmm...  eight gigatons per day...

I've heard that by filling a supertanker with hydrogen (tritium?) and
using a standard fusion bomb as a trigger, one can create an explosion
in the gigaton range.  And, of course, this energy will all be
released in a fraction of a second, rather than spread out through the
entire day.

So, my guess is that we could create big enough bangs if we wanted
to...

Actually predicting the effect on the hurricane might be more
difficult.  I don't think this is something you want to try close to
shore :-), but if you could catch the hurricane while it was still far
(very far) out to sea, it might work.
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Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: george@epsilon.eng.ufl.edu ()
Subject: UUE.andrew.gl.00.10
Originator: george@epsilon.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 06:34:14 GMT

Sorry for the length of this post. I originally sent this to 
alt.binaries.pictures, but it was suggested that it might be of more 
interest in this group. 

This is a continuous loop of the path of Andrew as it approaches and 
crosses Florida and its outlying islands over the period of about day 
and a half. I apologize for not including Louisiana as well, but there 
were memory constraints that had to be balanced (target architecture: 
standard DOS box w/ standard VGA). There are viewers available for 
workstations that I imagine would eliminate this constraint, but I 
wanted to keep this as widely distributable as possible. I chose this 
particular file format as it seemed to have a wide appeal.

Not all of the frames are entirely accurate. Several were missing a 
scan-line or two of data. In those cases, I applied a statistical 
filter to the affected regions. This was effective in subjectively 
masking most of the errors. When I compared the modified images to the 
originals, I could not readily detect the modified regions. Areas that 
now appear to be due to errors, are probably actual valid data (or 
other errors I didn't notice).

One more thing, there is a short message displayed about a way that 
individuals can help with the recovery from this and other disasters. 
I am not from the afflicted area (many hours away in fact), but I 
sympathize with those who were hit. I had initially assembled the 
sequence from images I acquired while tracking and trying to predict 
the course of the storm. It occurred to me later that maybe it might 
have some use in attracting apparently much needed attention to the 
people and animals affected by this tragedy. 

Please distribute this animation freely, with no modifications, and to 
as wide of an audience as possible. 

Viewing programs for .GL files are available at most major ftp sites, 
or probably from some local person you know.

Thank you.
george@alpha.ee.ufl.edu

Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Metro Zoo and Everglades (was Re: Monkey Jungle)
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.192103.12098@telematics.com>, ted@telematics.com
(Ted Goldblatt) writes:
> 
> 
> Metrozoo - severe damage; aviary destroyed (it was supposedly "hurricane
>            proof" - ha); most buildings damaged; monorail damaged; only
>            a couple of animals lost, except for heavy loss of birds from
>            the aviary (300 lost or killed - some are apparently turning
>            up within the grounds and I assume attempts are being made
>            to catch them).
> 

This morning's Sun-Sentinel had a picture on page one of a
couple of Tapirs.  The caption stated that they plan to reopen
the zoo early next year.

Everglades National Park is reporting $30 million dollars
worth of damage.  It is closed.  I think that all the
structures in the park were damaged/destroyed and many of the
trees, mangroves, etc. were too.  I don't know when it will
reopen.  All the Florida panthers that they track were
unharmed.  

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From: gordon@lugh.think.com (gordon linoff)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Insurance ripoffs--the fun is just beginning
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:38:24
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: cab6944@usl.edu's message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:56:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165621.7189@usl.edu> cab6944@usl.edu (Brasseaux Carl A) writes:

   Here in Louisiana, the insurance companies are doing everything they 
   can to rip off hurricane victims.  In my case, they are offering to
   compensate me only 1/4 the value of my roof, even though the insurance
   company's own adjuster recommended full replacement at the company's
   expense.  My neighbor across the street from me can't even get State
   Farm to send an adjuster to examine his roof damage.  You folks out
   there who have home-owners' insurance with Horace Mann or State Farm
   might want to think twice when you get a renewal notice.

My sister in Miami now has State Farm for both her home and
car, but she wants to switch to Prudential.  Prudential
seems much more responsive to the needs of her neighbors.

I wonder what the commercials will look like in six months.

--gordon
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)
Subject: Insurance ripoffs--Tell me more
Summary: Tell me your insurance horror stories from Andrew
Keywords: insurance ripoffs
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:29:13 GMT

I just read that post about the Insurance company screwing him around.
Just wondering if anyone else has had that problems. Names and details
prefered.
Thanks.

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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: NOVA Captures Hurricane Andrew in Progress
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:28:31 GMT

In article <15SEP199208012253@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> Wasn't it dark when the hurricane hit Florida?

  Yes, but initially there were street lights.  In fact, I
  woke up at 3:30 in the morning when the wind was starting to
  get strong and turned on the TV. They were showing just
  taken footage of the  hurricane hitting Miami Beach and
  downtown Miami.  The lighting made it very eerie.

  jan

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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Monkey Jungle
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:36:07 GMT

_The Washington Post_ carried an article on damage to Miami's Metro Zoo,
but so far I have seen no mention of Monkey Jungle.  Does anyone on the
scene have a report?  (Thanks in advance)

For those who've never heard of it, Monkey Jungle is one of the best
attractions in the South Miami area.  "The humans are in cages while the
monkeys run wild."

-- Herb Huston


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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,soc.culture.usa,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NOVA Captures Hurricane Andrew in Progress
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:19:48 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <15SEP199208012253@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> Wasn't it dark when the hurricane hit Florida?

        It was early morning.  And the higher you go, the lighter it gets.

Brett                                                      
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From: jackie8@pyuxe.uucp (25853-brady)
Subject: Re: Up w/Downs Syndrome Family in Dade County
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.152116.26055@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@pyuxe.uucp (25853-brady) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone would know if the house
>run by the Geraldis (I believe that's their last
>name) was affected by the hurricane.  Camille Geraldi

Sorry to follow up to my own article.  My .sig file isn't working,
and my email address wasn't included in my original post.  If you
would like to reply by email to me, please use jackie8@cc.bellcore.com
instead of the "From:" address.

Thanks again.
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Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Re: Monkey Jungle
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:05:55 GMT

In article <27687@life.ai.mit.edu> bleck@ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>I guess that's probably one of the neatest things abot hurricanes--much the
>indiginous vegetation that was meant to survive, does, and all the exotics
>take a beating.  Now an effort has to be made to keep them from regrowing,
>while they're down.
>

The major concern of the scientists relating to damage to the Everglades
(beyond the damage to the mangroves) is the spread of melaleuca and
Brazilian pepper into the damaged areas.  Compared to this, the knocking
out of a large number of Australian pines is a minor benefit (though
I guess every little bit helps :-)).

ted

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    Telematics Intl., Inc.   Ft. Lauderdale, FL
From: cab6944@usl.edu (Brasseaux Carl A)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Insurance ripoffs--the fun is just beginning
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:56:21 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Here in Louisiana, the insurance companies are doing everything they 
can to rip off hurricane victims.  In my case, they are offering to
compensate me only 1/4 the value of my roof, even though the insurance
company's own adjuster recommended full replacement at the company's
expense.  My neighbor across the street from me can't even get State
Farm to send an adjuster to examine his roof damage.  You folks out
there who have home-owners' insurance with Horace Mann or State Farm
might want to think twice when you get a renewal notice.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu ( LAURA CARRIERE)
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
Distribution:  usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:09:08 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7114]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <1992Sep9.181951.1873@ncar.ucar.edu>, vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes...

Stuff about looting in Louisiana deleted.
> 
>I know this has nothing to do with cats, but I find this discussion
>interesting. 

Story about possible looting in New Iberia deleted.

>This would seem to contradict Governor Edwards' claim that Louisiana
>was not having problems with looting ...

If there's been a lot of looting in New Iberia the Baton Rouge papers
haven't heard about it.  Besides, I've eaten lunch in New Iberia and
frankly, there isn't a whole lot there to loot.  Seriously, there may
have been some looting, but given the size of the population centers
hit in Louisiana compared to Miami there haven't been problems.

Just an opinion from a Torontonian marooned in Louisiana.

Laura Carriere

OBcat:  I taught little Frog and Mom to use a litter box in case we need
to keep them inside again like we did during hurricane Andrew.  Now Mom
comes in every morning and uses the box instead of the whole outdoors.
Time to reintroduce her to the garden.  
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From: larryh@microsoft.com (Larry Houch)
Subject: Damage reports?
Date: 05 Sep 92 01:58:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: US

I used to live in the Kendall area, and still have some friends
there. Does anyone have any damage information that's more specific
than "South Dade County"? 


larryh@microsoft.com
Usual disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,soc.culture.usa,rec.arts.tv
From: stumpf@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Greg Stumpf)
Subject: Re: NOVA Captures Hurricane Andrew in Progress
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:34:52 GMT
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory

In article <BuMvs4.Jqu@fiu.edu> ibarrac@kzin.fiu.edu (Carlos A. Ibarra) writes:
>In article <15SEP199208012253@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
>packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>> Wasn't it dark when the hurricane hit Florida?
>
>I leave in west Miami.
>I was looking out the window throughout the hurricane. There was so much
>lightning that sometimes the scene out the window would stay lit for
>several seconds. It came in bursts of green fire, and I could see the
>trees buffeted by the wind. It is quite possible that a video camera could
>capture quite a bit of footage.

I doubt you were seeing lightning.  The blue-green flashes were power
transformers exploding or power lines arcing.  Most lighting in hurricanes
comes in the thunderstorms in the outer spiral bands, and not within the 
inner bands near the eyewall.

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