HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: seeya yamaha!
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:21:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Mark Taylor (madmax@maths.tcd.ie) wrote:
: pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
: 
: >Tom Haapanen (tomh@wes.on.ca) wrote:
: >: 
: >: Let's hope Jordan can recover in '93 ... but with Lotus and Sauber, Tier 2
: >: will be much more crowded.
: 
: >I have a gut feeling that Lotus will be in Tier 1 next season along with
: >Benetton, Williams and maybe McLaren... Could we see V8s consistently
: >winning races next season?! 
: 
: >Interesting to note that the old Chris Amon late sixties quote about
: >Ferrari engines sounding great but having no horsepower was revived in
: >Nigel Roebuck's Japanese GP report -- the Ferraris were the slowest
: >cars through the speed trap by a substantial margin...
: 
: Even slower than the Yamahas ????
: 
: Development work on the current V12 has stopped, in fact they are not
: even sending qualifying engines to the GP's any more (post Monza). Instead
: all hands are full steam ahead on next years plant. Alesi complained 
: re: power in Japan but he sounded positive about the chassis. I hope
: for the sake of the sport that Ferrari can get back next year.
: 

Next year's Yamaha is going to be basically the Judd V10 with some minor
revisions. It looks like Yamaha have finally realised (after the crap 1989
V8 and the marginally better 1991 V12) that they can't build engines!

Pete
--
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:40:37 GMT

Tom Haapanen writes:
>
>I have included the "correct" answers, as far as can be figured out, under
>each question.  Has Autosport printed the answers yet?
>
>>    1. Which World Champion went for a swim in the Monaco Harbour?
>     >> Alberto Ascari
>
>>    2. What linked the deaths of Graham Hill, Carlos Pace and Wilbur Shaw?
>     >> All died in a plane crash.
>
>>    3. What links Dick Seaman, Stirling Moss and Peter Collins?
>     >> They are all British, and all died in crashes.  Possibly all drove
>	for Mercedes or ERA.

Stirling is far from dead.  Seaman, Moss, and Collins are all major league, 
the best in the world, F1 drivers.
>
>>    4. What nationality was Gilles Villeneuve?
>     >> Canadian
>
>>    5. Who was the only posthumous World Champion?
>     >> Jochen Rindt
>
>>    6. Whose nickname was "Seppi"?
>     >> Jo Siffert
>
>>    7. Peter Revson was a member of a famous cosmetics family.  What was the
>>       name brand of the cosmetics?
>     >> Revlon
>
>>    8. What racing driver from the late '60s was a member of a brewing 
>>       company?
>     >> I believe the "correct" answer was Piers Courage, but Augie Pabst
>	is acceptable as well, I guess -- evn if he didn't drive F1 (or 
>	did he?).
>
>>    9. What British racing driver was killed in the Moroccan GP?
>     >> Stewart Lewis-Evans.
>
>>   10. Where was Mike Hawthorn's first full Grand Prix win?
>     >> His first win was in Reims, France in '53.  Somehow the wording of
>	the question leaves me unsure of whether this is correct or not,
>	though.
>
>Here is the scoring ... I haven't given anyone credit for #3, as the answer
>is still unknown!  The 8*'s are the "Augie Pabst" answers, for which I gave
>just a little bit less credit than for "Piers Courage"...
>
>9/10:	Pete Fenelon
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
>
>9-/10: 	Dan Jones
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 8* 9 10
>	"Number 3 is pretty shakey, but I think most of the rest are ok."
>
>8/10:   Mark Jackson
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 - 9 10
>
>7/10:	George M. Smiley
>    	1 2 - 4 5 - 7 - 9 10
>    	"Oh well, half (or less) right isn't that bad."
>
>7/10:	Robert Marti
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 8 - -
>	"Somehow, I find this quiz a little "morbid" considering that Ascari,
>	 G. Hill, Pace, Collins, G. Villeneuve, Siffert, Revson, Courage
>	 and Hawthorn's all died in racing, plane or street accidents ..."
>
>7-/10:	Simon A Sykes-Wright
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 8* - -
>
>7-/10:	John Davison
>	1 2 - 4 5 6 7 8* - -
>
>5/10:	Ben Loosli
>	- 2 - 4 5 6 7 - - -
>
>5/10:	Chris Palmer
>       - - - 4 5 6 7 8 - -
>
>5-/10:	Russell Jaslow
>	- 2 - 4 5 - 7 8* - -
>
>Hey, everyone got at least half right -- a great showing!


I find it a little hard to believe that somebody came up with a question
that Dan couldn't answer.

-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell's Foot Surgery--Anyone???
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:44:59 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Nov12.155018.28582@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com
(charles.e.slana) writes:
>In article <rnq1vjh@rpi.edu>, parfrk@rs6418.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey) w
rites:
>> I recall reading an interview of (then) Benneton designer Rory Byrne
>> (speaking of the B188 or B189, I believe) in which he stated that
>> a F1 car's c_d is "well over 1.0" (i.e. worse than a brick!)
>> and that without the wings/undertray an F1 car would "easily do 300 mph".
>
>I'd personally like to see some numbers comparing the Cd's of the same
>car equipped with '92 tires vs '93 tires.  Actually, I'd also like to
>see a Cd comparison between an Indy Car, a F1 car, and either a WSC or
>IMSA GTP car.

A couple of months ago, I posted these data Quoted without permission
from Racecar Engineering Vol 2, No 3:  

Galmer Engineering Aerodynamicist Andy Brown has released the 
following representative figures for the Galmer G92.

		Downforce	Drag	 L/D	Cd	Speed for 
							measurements

Short Oval 	3460 lbs 	1310 lbs 2.64	1.397	165 mph
Street Circuit  3040 lbs 	1070 lbs 2.84	1.141	165 mph
Speedway	2835 lbs 	 972 lbs 2.92	0.669	220 mph

Note that fuel consumption is higher on a street circuit such as
Long Beach than on a short oval such as Phoenix:  consequently
the car has to be set up so as to pull less drag.

By way of comparison, in the days before cab roof fairings, a
Cd figure of 1.0 was typical for a high-drag truck.  These days
trucks are down to the region of Cd = 0.6

The figures quoted for the 1991 Indy 500 winning Penske PC20 in
speedway trim were 3010 lbs downforce at 220 mph with 1075 lbs
drag (L/D = 2.80)

Brown comments:

"I'm always a little cautious of comparing figures from different
wind tunnels because experience has shown them all to vary slightly.
The L/D figure is usually close though, and I'm pleased to see that
ours is better than that quoted for the PC20.  Provided we're both
telling the truth, that is !"


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Friction
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:57:00 +0000

No: Not another comment on Mansell/Senna. Equally boring ABS...:-)

bellr00@DMI.USherb.CA (RICHARD BELLAVANCE) writes..
[.definition of static and dynamic friction..]

>(dynamic friction) is EASIER to "break" than static (to convince you
>of this, try sliding a large and reasonably heavy box (or whatever)
>on the floor. You will notice that it takes more strentgh (a bigger
>push) to get the box moving than to keep it moving afterwards).

Sure. For a box. The reason I haven't joined in thsi debate is
because my recollection of the 'laws of friction' is that they are
pretty much rule-of-thumb, and VERY dependent on the two materilas in
question.

The real question is:-

Given a reasonably constant force on a patch of slick rubber, what is
the maximum force that can be developed between that area of rubber
and the road relative to the slip speed of the tyre.

Some things to think about.

        (i) A locked wheel flat spots as the rubber burns off. Rubber
        vapour is probably a good lubricant. So maximum slip (locked
        wheel) is probably not the best :-)

        (ii)The local heating of the tyre will depend on the slip
        rate. The coolest tyre will be a no-slip tyre. Tyres are
        designed to work hot, but not too hot, so mutas mutandis one
        would expect a little slip is good news.

        (iii) I seem to remember that there are two zones in tyre
        slip - lets call one 'creep' and the other 'slip' I seem to
        remember that the optimum force is in the creep zone. At
        least on a dry surface. This corresponds to low differential
        velocity.

        (iv) This is at odds with conventional drag racing, where
        slip is immense. Mind you under ACCELERATION the condition
        (i) does not apply - that is there is no flat spotting and
        heating. Certainly F1 devices to LIMIT slip under
        acceleration seem to contradict the assertion that up to 10%
        slip is the right level. Who races dragsters? whats the
        skinny?

        10% of WHAT though. Do you mean that if the car is doing
        100mph the tyre-to-road velocity should be 10mph?

Other facts that are relevant:

        (a) ABS on road cars is more about preserving directional
        control under panic braking. It is an accident avoidance
        feature and not necessarily there to increase braking
        efficiency per se.

        (b) As someone pointed out, racing car braking could be more
        about differential force to keep all the wheels at maximum
        braking force.

        (c) The day I believe what a F1 team owner tells me about
        NEXT years technology is the day I get to be president of the
        USA.

Leo

P.P. George Bush :-)






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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: 87 Nemechek, Not Mansell/Senna opinion
Organization: Motorola
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:40:43 CST

>Congratulations are in order for Joe Nemechek
>who overcame no small amount of adversity to
>win NASCAR's 1992 Busch Grand National series
>title yesterday at Hickory NC.

>Bobby Labonte did what he had to do, win the
>race, to challenge for the crown, but Nemechek's
>sixth place was enough for the Floridian to
>hang onto a slim 3 point margin.
[Race details omitted]

>Thanks to TNN for the TV coverage, which had only
>a few flaws, which was more than I could say for their
>sprint car effort later in the evening. I'm not
>much of winged sprinter fan anyway, but the
>coverage, and especially the lighting, did
>little to captivate me, to the point where
>I only watched the end of the feature because
>I was expecting RaceDay. Other opinions ?

>Greg Rickes


I happened to meet Joe Nemechek last year when Melcons Pharmacy in Hawthorne
New Jersey was an associate sponsor on his car and had him bring his car
there for a display.  He's a real nice guy and patiently answered everyone's
questions about the car, BGN racing, etc. while passing out autographed photos
of his car (note: the picture was taken at Dover Downs in September 91).

I am also glad that he won the BGN title this year.  Nothing against Bobby
Labonte, he and his team are also good people, just that a sponsor close to
my office is on the car of the 92 BGN champ!   8^>

Also,  TNN's coverage is getting better, but it usually is when Bonnett, Baker
and Evans are doing the broadcast.  I didn't care much for the sprints
coverage either,  but hopefully they'll get better as the season goes along.


Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock,  NJ

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From: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil Houseago DNM22)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: [SPOILERS]
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:32:59 GMT
Reply-To: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 1dkrggINNl6t@morrow.stanford.edu, jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
##In article <1992Nov9.020022.16443@spectrum.xerox.com> mjackson@xerox.com writes:
##>
##>In article 1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu,
##>cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
##>
##>*I* didn't see Mansell slow, but at half-past midnight I could well
##>have missed it.
##>
##In fact, it almost looked like Mansell "brake-tested" Senna, although I'm
##sure that isn't what happened.
##
##On another note,  how long did Riccardo's car sit there after it stopped?
 ^^ all sorts of bits deleted up there ,,,

first, mansell did not slow down much, if at all. watch it
frame-by-frame. senna accelerated early near the exit from the
right-hander.

second, the track in front of mansell was not empty. there was a slower
tail ender in front of him - therefore he could not the power down when
he wanted to.

patrese's car stayed till the end of the race. it did get moved a bit
closer to the wall, but was in gear. no engine, no hydraulics, no gear
change. ... :-)

yes, i did watch it live at 3.15 in the morning, but i taped it as well.

phil


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:59:33 EST
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
 <1992Nov5.061220.13692@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> <1dbt41INN9n1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 <1dcm5dINNrs4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

In article <1dcm5dINNrs4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Richard Banks) says:

>In a previous article, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) says:

>>ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>>
>>
>>>In a previous article, marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) says:
>>
>>>>Last week, Wendlinger clocked 1:21.51 at Barcelona.  Today's daily
>>>>newspaper says that Karl Wendlinger, driving the Sauber-Ilmor,
>>>>clocked a new best of 1:20.04 at Barcelona.  Nigel Mansell's pole
[ Much stuff deleted ]
>The Illmor engine is the most underated engine this year in F1.
>If I were a team in F1, and I could not get a Honda V12, Renault V10,
>or Cosworth series VII, then I certainly would vigorously consult
>to get a Illmor V10.

>Here's how I rate this year's engines:

>1. Honda - not the lastest one, the one used from Silverstone - Hungary
>2. Renault
>3. Cosworth series VII
>4. Illmor V-10
I think the Ilmor will become one of the top engines. I don't
think it is one of the top 4. I would have the Mugen Honda V-10 on
that list. The engine is more reliable. Alboreto has finished more races
then anyone this year. The Ilmor was the reason why Tyrrell did not
score more points this year. I would like to see more competitive
engines in F1. It means that a low budget team can at least buy the same
horsepowerr and reliability the other guys have. If there were more
competitive engines in F1 teams like Jordon may not have had  the
terrible years they had.

Jonathan Swaby

>I wait to see what further improvements to the Illmor engine will
>produce.
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From: graeme@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Graeme)
Subject: Adelaide F1 first practice
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:18:50 GMT

Apologies, the first part of my previous post was deleted by our mailer,
it was:
I haven't seen anyone from Adelaide post the first practice times,
so (since half a loaf is better than none), here are the times reported
in the paper.
Mansell     Williams-RenaultV10       1 min. 13.732 secs. (184.560 kph)
Senna       McLaren-HondaV12          1:14.202
Patrese     Williams-Renault          1:14.370
Berger      McLaren-Honda             1:15.114
Schumacher  Benneton-FordV8           1:15.210
Alesi       Ferrari-Ferrari           1:16.091
de Cesaris  Tyrrel                    1:16.440
Brundle     Benneton-Ford             1:16.562
Comas       Ligier                    1:16.727
Hakkinen    Lotus                     1:16.863

See my other post for the details & gossip.
Next time I will leave a blank line at the start of the posting :-(
Graeme.
From: met@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Millam Tackitt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Phoenix results?
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:32:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

In article <1992Nov3.205854.5638@udel.edu> gray@tinman.asel.udel.edu (John Gray) writes:
>
>Don't think You can call this "old tail-end into the wall".  He had
>help.  Look at the tape.  Look at the line Sterling(SP?) took compared
>to the car in front of him.  Sterling came up on Irvan.  No two ways about it.
I must admit that sitting right there one the entrance to turn one, I didn't
have the advantage of Height to get a more discerning veiw, but Sterlin
appeared to take the exact same line that the leaders had been taking for the
last 50 or so laps. Didn't look like he came up out of the groove ata all
I wish I had a tape of the race to review tho' I think the car in front of
sterling was taking a slightly lower line to get out of the way.
>
>John Gray
>gray@asel.udel.edu
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From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Subject: Interesting Note from IMS
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:12:11 GMT



The strangest thing happened yesterday.  I found a grey 
envelope in my mailbox reading:

	RETURN IN FIVE DAYS TO
	P. O. BOX 24152
	SPEEDWAY, INDIANA 46224

Indy tickets?  But it's still this year.  We're not 
supposed to get tickets until next year.  Perhaps they got 
on the stick so they could include this notice:


INDIANAPOLIS MOTOR SPEEDWAY CORPORATION

November, 1992
 Dear Ticketholder:
The enclosed tickets are being sold with the following 
understanding;

SPEEDWAY MANAGEMENT REGRETS THAT ITS EFFORTS AS TO 
SPECTATOR SAFETY DO NOT ELIMINATE RISK OF INJURY TO 
SPECTATORS.YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS RACING EVENT AS A 
SPECTATOR IS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
It is your responsibility as the purchaser of these 
tickets to inform all of the individuals who use these 
tickets of the risk assumed.  If you as the purchaser or 
anyone using these tickets do not want to assume this risk 
and responsibility the Indianapolis Motor Speedway ticket 
office will provide a refund to the original purchaser if 
the tickets are returned along with the written request 
prior to January 8, 1993.

Anyway, the weirdest thing was on the ticket envelope:

	RAMSEY, PERRY          
	W. LAFAYETTE, IN  47906
	93 FILLED      C STA SEC 18   L   5 -  6    130,00
			---
	Sorry, but we have failed on the change of location 
	requested.  While upgrades are based on seniority - 
	with few and in some instances no openings from 
	Penthouses down to Terraces - we were left with no 
	option but to renew the same seats that you held last 
	year.  Make the same request when reordering for 1994 
	as we'll continue to work with you until we have an 
	opportunity to make the move you want.  However, only 
	include payment for your renewal.  As we rarely have 
	any openings in the Penthouse - it's much easier 
	invoicing for the balance due if we can work out what 
	you need.  In the meantime, please cash your refund 
	check as soon as possible as it does have a ninety 
	day limit.

So they're telling me to ask for more expensive tickets, 
but not send them the money unless I get them?  I take 
back most of the nasty things I've ever said about IMS 
management.  If they were the moneygrubbers they are often 
made out to be, they'd be glad to take the extra money and 
pocket a year's interest.  Maybe it's just that interest 
rates are down.

This is the third year in a row I've had these same 
mediocre seats.  I would have thought that after this 
year's snoozer (that is, you would snooze if you weren't 
freezing to death) there would have been lots of 
cancellations.
-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          Life is short ...
N9LFF                   Don't waste it folding underwear.
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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Subject:  SPEEDWEEK is TONITE. (really ... no Senna/Mansell/F1 drivel)
Organization: Meteorology, TAMU, CS, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:15 GMT

David McLellan writes:
>Thought Richard Petty didn't want a BGN driver for the first year.  
>But I have no doubt who the better driver of Labonte and Wilson is.  
>Guess we'll find out for certain on Thursday.
>Lastly, did I hear correctly that Cope and his car owner are 
>reconsidering 1993 plans in light of Cope's strong finish at Phoenix?  
>That should be one of the first rate rides in WC, but it just hasn't 
>been right the last two years.
>david
---------------
That reminds me -- I heard SPEEDWEEK is on TONITE, early, 1930 EST,
I think.  Can't check it here at school.  Probably will confirm
that Cope and Purolator will stay together for '93 (this was already
reported by TNN during the BGN thing Sunday).

no affiliations w/ESPN or ABC.
-- 
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Pat Hayes, Meteorology, Texas A&M University...<whoop!>...phayes@tamu.edu 
O&M 1008, TAMU, CS, TX 77843-3150....days:(409)845-1680 fax:(409)845-6331
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: The AutoCourse Top 10 competition
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:52:32 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Is anyone running the 2nd annual competition?  I forgot who
ran it last year.

My list is ready. 

Dan Jones
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From: rda735z@nella5.cc.monash.edu.au (Simon Cocking)
Subject: Re: Aus GP Stuff
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:36:43 GMT

pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) writes:

>It looked like Berger ran out of fuel crossing the line, Schumacher
>was several seconds behind the previous lap and Berger slowed
>dramatically as he crossed the line.

Hmmm... correct me if I'm wrong, but if Berger had no fuel crossing the
line, then surely he couldn't have completed the net 'parade' lap, and I'm
sure I saw him circulating after he finished.

>-- 
>Paul O'Donnell - Softway Pty Ltd         |"You're just saying that because
>Internet: pod@softway.sw.oz.au           |you don't understand art."
>Phone: +61 2 698-2322 Fax: +61 2 699-9174|     - Jeremy Fitzhardinge

Simon.
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