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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:27:18 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Bvx8pH.JrH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky ) writes:

>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

IK:
>>>Thank you, father, for sharing this insightful information with us :)
>>>
>>>Girl Irina

MZ:
>>My heart bleeds for you, Ira dearest.  To think that every man possessed of
>>a greater insight than your own will be automatically taken by you to be
>>your father!  You really must do something about that Electra thing of
>>yours, and I don't mean the furry one you are now sitting on.

IK:
>Getting a little insulting, aren't we? :)
>Does insulting other people make you feel bigger and stronger?
>Whatever makes you feel better I guess...

At the request of my eseeemed interlocutress, I hereby withdraw my
above comment alluding to her pubic hair, which was made by me in the
spirit of wholly gratuitous and unbecoming horseplay, unwarranted by
any first-hand knowledge of her present position, particular anatomy,
personal hirsuteness, or even gender affiliation, all of which were
unjustifiedly inferred from her self-descriptions, and thus do not in
any way represent the reality of the matter.  Accordingly, in the
spirit of shame-faced penitence, I offer her, without any reservations
whatsoever, my sincere, abject, and humble apology for this unworthy
and jejune behavior.

>Ira

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky)
Subject: Re: Khazar's in ex-Soviet Union
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook Computer Science Dept.
	<67769@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct15.210329.1224@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:40:54 GMT

Seth Rosenthal writes:

> I thought at one time the Khazars ruled over Kiev.  Anyone know?

As far as I know, this wasn't the case. They bothered Russian borders a lot,
though, and did cause a lot trouble to Volgan Bulgarians, who were Russian
allies at the time. So Svyatoslav in around 968 (I might be well off here)
invaded them and captured their capital Sarkel (sp?), this was beginning of
the end of their empire, which lasted for about 30 years more.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Oleg
--

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Sokurov is still NOT an asshole!
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:47:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.150445.183726@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
Path: news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!ns1.cc.lehigh.edu!pv02

>  On the next loop of Sokurov discussion...

>  >> Sure! I was incorrect and bring my apologies to Mr. Sokurov and to
>  >> all assholes too. There was no reasons to call an asshole Sokurov,
>  >> or Sokurov an asshole. You are right, as usual.
>  >
>  >Here's a dilemma. If Sokurov in not an asshole, why do his
>  >films have all the requisite qualities of any films made by an asshole?
>  >

>  Hmm... To be frank, I've never seen a film made by an asshole, but have
>  all reasons to suppose that some assholes might make much better movies
>  than Sokurov (it's not a statement, it's but a guess).

What does being an asshole have to do with one's ability to create?
"Geniy i zlodeystvo"?.. It is a well known fact that V. van Gogh was
not really a very nice person, to say the least. Some people still
like his paintings, and even consider him to be a genious...

>  Cheers!
>  -- 
>  Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

--Igor
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:15 MDT
Subject: Good Bad Movie
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600005:000:1539
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 11 13:15:00 1992


In the "Films that are so bad, they're good" category, I
highly recommend a lesser-known work of John Waynr call "Jet Pilot,"
made I think in 1958 or 59. Wayne is an American jet jockey who
is appointed to babysit supposedly "defecting" Soviet jet pilot
played by (I think, maybe forgot) Rita Hayworth or Janet Leigh. 
Anyways, some gorgeous blond who couldn't act but could still
project an athletic, self confident attitude on the screen.
 
Of course there is much multiple-agentness, i.e. is she only double or
perhaps triple agent? The acting is nonexistent and no one, especially
not this American actress, attempts to fake a Russian accent. But,
having spent a large part of my childhood as an Air Force brat,
I can say that they captured the American jet jockey attitude towards life
perfectly, and Wayne's acting is so bad that he turns the role into
a parody of the Air Force man of the 1950's.
 
Best scene in the film: Wayne "defects" with her in stolen American bomber
to secret Soviet base in Siberia. Walking around with her, he sees a woman
suffering, carrying a huge load of lumber on her back.
 
Wayne says, "Hey, I recognize that woman!"
Soviet pilot girl says, "You should recognize her, that's Vera Kyrilova.
She was a famous sniper in the War."
Wayne: "Yeah, she shot 150 Germans. But why is she doing manual labor now?"
Girl: "After the war, they let her visit America. When she returned,
she started shooting Russians."
 
This movie is so awful that I love it very deeply. It is vintage
American Eisenhower period!
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Keywords: Revoliutsiya, Herachit', Kto, u nas - Gde ?
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:40:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvxoMu.8M8.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct10203035@husc10.harvard.edu>, nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

|> 
|> Ne zabyvaite, rebiata, kto u nas revoliutsiiu-to zaherachil:
|> 
|> >> misha
|> > zhenya
|> Phil

    Eto vopros ili predlozheniye ?

    Nature of this question comes from an old anecdote :

    When a man came to an admission committee to be hired, he was asked:
   "Do you wish to drink ?"
    He replied : "Is it a question or a suggestion ?" and added :
   "If it's a question then NO, but if a suggestion - then YES-YES-YES !".

    Yury @ Cranberry Melon university, School of Cucumber Sciences
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:30 MDT
Subject: Re: How is Russia?...
Nf-ID: #R:BvrGIL.2wM@news.cso.uiuc.edu:-803212718:glas:84600010:000:1095
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 11 23:30:00 1992


How is Russia now? I will tell you my limited observation, not to claim
the definitive answer, but to increase your data by a small amount:

Last time I was here two years ago, on the Metro, if I wore anything
nice and looking Western at all, some people looked at me with
almost hatred. And I didn't see an overwhelming number of smiling
people. And most men were shabby and grey and looked really
...unhappy or something, maybe withdrawn.

Now I hardly recognize the place. I am nowhere near being the best
dressed woman in Moscow even when I try. The women are looking very
beautiful and wearing bright colors and even smile and laugh in
public. The men have discovered hair stylists and nice coats and
also sit up straight and talk in excited voices and even smile, too.

On this very superficial level, the entire mood of the city from
my point of view has drastically changed. I don't know what it
means. But I have had several nice polite interactions with strangers,
which people tell me used to be unheard of, absolute rudeness used
to be standard, former Moscovites tell me.

margaret

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8802 vmsnet.pdp-11:750
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Soviet clones of PDP-11 computers. SM-4, etc. (was: Re: # of pdp-11s still in operation)
Keywords: SM,PDP-11
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:18:57 GMT
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Oct16.014752.4139@spcvxb.spc.edu> terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
<among other things.>
>
>  Also, a lot depends on what you consider "a PDP-11". For example, the
>HSC's use PDP-11 CPU's (F-11 [11/23 class] in the 50, J-11 [11/73 class] in
>the rest. The DECserver 500/550 use an 11/53 CPU card.
>

And not to speak about the soviet clones of PDP-11's, namely SM-4 & SM-5
series machines, and whatever else. (SM = Serija Minimasina if I remember
right, not that other abbreviation you might have thought.) Few of them
were even bought to some Finnish universities. (As counterpurchases. When
we still had some bilateral trade with former SU it was somewhat problem
to invent what else we could buy from there than crude oil.)
SM-4 was probably clone of 11/70 if I remember right. There was one in
Helsinki University of Technology that ran Unix (don't remember whether it
was System 7 or BSD 2.something) and usually it didn't stay up very long...
Some of these things had some strange coprocessors in them, like
some symbolic processors (???) developed in Kiev, Ukraina. (This part
of my memory is very hazy, please correct me somebody if I'm fantasizing
all of this.)

I'm crossposting this to soc.culture.soviet if there are any more knowing
persons about this subject, and anybody who can tell in which parts
of the former Soviet Union those SM-computers were made.
(Yes, for me this is culture too. ;-)

As this is also crossposted to vmsnet.pdp-11 which is entirely technical
group I hope you have some sense for directing the follow-ups...
Thanks.

>        Terry Kennedy           Operations Manager, Academic Computing
>        terry@spcvxa.bitnet     St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
>        terry@spcvxa.spc.edu    +1 201 915 9381

--
Antti Karttunen / karttu@mits.mdata.fi / $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
 ++ Think positively, ota olvia, and vote YES!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 07:15:16 CDT
From: ---  BORYS  --- <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,uic.ukrainian
Subject: Another Ukrainian UN soldier dies in Yugo

     This last Saturday four Ukrainian soldiers in the UN peace keeping
force driving a personnel carrier struck a landmine while driving through
the city of Sarajevo.  One was killed while the three others were wounded.

   Since May, 5 peacekeepers have been killed  while 50 have been wounded.

    Several months ago another Ukrainian soldier was shot in the back by
a sniper.



Borys Bodnaruk
   u52539@uicvm.uic.edu
   University of Illinois at Chicago
From: miwalker@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: If you don't like it here.....
Date: 12 Oct 1992 11:09:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu


Like a lot of Americans I engage in frequent criticism of our country 
and government.  It is one of the great American traditions.  But 
sometimes I think people get so carried away with this they lose all
sense of reality and proportion.  Yes this country has many problems 
and deficiencies.  But as compared to other countries it generally has
less of them, and furthermore at least we have the right to criticize
and the cultural atmosphere as well which tolerates dissent.  Although
things get done very slowly here in large part, opportunity for real
lasting change is always present, and it is exemplified in the fact 
that this country has existed, and grown for over 200 years.  

There were some aspects of the XUSSR which were also very admirable.  
And culturally and educationally it may have had aspects to it which
seemed preferable to some people who know both systems.  But you have
to consider the whole country.  Yes many Americans are overly concerned
with material wealth, others are lazy about their education.  They are
*free* to do so.  This freedom has also allowed many other wonderful and
exceptional things which are being overlooked.  The very control which
allowed the xUSSR to pointedly pursue certain admirable goals, also allowed
it to destroy many people's lives and creativity.  If one is going to
criticize certain aspects of a society, in order to be fair, you should
recognize that there is another side as well.  

One final note on materialism.  I am as disgusted with this as most.  
But there is also something shameful about a system which allowed so
many people to do without basic necessities, let alone comforts in life.
You may be revolted by yuppies, but criticizing them seems very trivial
when considering the dilemma faced by those facing the inordinate 
problems of daily life in the xUSSR; shortages of nearly all goods 
including food and medicine, horrible environmental pollution and
nuclear contamination, and economic dislocation that makes the U.S.
recession seem very trivial.

MCW
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Pushkin and Rambo
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:11:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600021:000:2405
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 16 20:11:00 1992


More about the "dead woman" culture in the West:
 
1) Is this just isolated to Goethe, Flaubert and Dumas (fils)?
 
What about Rambo, where his life is saved by the beautiful Vietnamese
partisan woman. They run away together, planning to leave the war
behind and find their own freedom.
 
They are in a lovely place by the river. Near the border.
Almost to freedom. He looks in her eyes. They fall into a passionate
kiss. Then she looks into his eyes, mouth trembling, breasts heaving...
 
BAM
 
A sniper's bullet gets her in the head. She dies in his arms.
He is ennobled by her sexual death and takes her scarf, ties it
around her head, and vows to fight to the end, in her (dead) honor.
 
2) What about Karamzin's "dead woman" story, "Poor Liza"?
Another story of a girl brought down by seduction into illegitimate
birth and suicide by drowning. Is this not an example of the "dead woman"
culture in Russia?
 
BUT who killed this story of Karamzin with his lovely poetic
denunciation?
 
Pushkin.
 
In direct retaliation (as it says in the notes of my volume of stories
of Pushkin) he wrote "The Station Master's Daughter" which is
a similar story to Karamzin's except in the end, the girl seduced 
and swept away in sin by the dashing young captain (or whatever rank,
I forget.) She has all the worst predicted for her by her father. He
envisions his lost Dunyashka as winding up a prostitute on the street
after being cast off by her lover. He imagines her dying of poverty 
and disease. He imagines that she will be another "Poor Liza."
 
But no, many years after her father dies, she comes back to see his grave.
She has become a rich, successful woman, full of class and accomplishments,
with beauty and taste. She is no longer a girl but she has aged
with wisdom and still a sparkle in her eye. She pays her respects to her
(dead) father and goes back to her rich and full life in the city.
 
THIS was Pushkin's view of women. Many people I know who are
Russian philologists tell me that Russian literature really begins with
Pushkin. Everything before was somehow derived from Western
romantic literature, including these "dead woman" stories.
 
So Pushkin killed the "dead woman" culture in Russian literature.
 
Tonight I put a beautiful purple rose at his feet, in the sunset,
and thanked him for his attitude of sincere love and respect for women.
 
I wish I could have known him, somehow!
m
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Re: Can white men jump?
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.192653.16354@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.182206.12932@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:
> 
> > As racism among x-soviets is extremely widespread,
> 
> >Now let me disclose myself: I am a racist (it's a terrible word, but
> >somebody will be calling names anyway so I prefer to cut this
> >fruitless branch of discussion out). I don't believe that all
> >races are made equal. 
> 
> Well, this is one more reason to hate x-Soviet
> emigres. They are selfish, stupid and generally
> nasty, particularly, racist. They don't understand
> a heck in Russian culture since they are too far
> too long, but they are helpless concerning anything
> in America. I remember myself having a hard time
> when I tried to learn from emigres what New Age means.
> 
> Being misguided in America, they apply their
> idiotic xSoviet superstitions to the American
> politics. Anyone who is bashing Commies is good,
> John Birch Society is a haven for deep thoughts,
> abortion and homosexualism and feminism is evil,
> etc etc. You can find all this on scs in full
> growth. Supporters of KKK and J. B. Soc. 
> (well, potential ones) are usually racist.
> 
> Misha.

This is a true response of a Harvard intellectual: it's polite,
relevant, based on solid facts, logic is uncontestable. Opponents,
beaten and humiliated, leave the battlefield ...

			Sasha

P.S. Rebyata, chto oni tam v Harvarde s lyud'mi delayut? Po golove
b'yut chto li?
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:04:17 GMT
Organization: Poets for Physics
In-reply-to: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU's message of Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:14:55 GMT

smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov) writes:

|> A vot s etogo mesta, pozhalujsta,
> popodrobnej : poterpet' pridetsia do unichtozhenija ili posle ?

Posle.

>    Yuri @ Caranal Melon School of Cucumber Sciences

Phil
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:08:00 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1b235cINNb32@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct7211203@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>>Go fuck yourself...
>
>Go learn manners and then post something to the net.
>Another politically correct wannabee, you're getting
>boring. Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter what
>color is it. I do not debate your right to make friends
>of Ice-T and sister Sojulah, though.
>
>--vadim

I like Ice-T. If you don't understand or like his music, you
don't have to hurl abuse on him or portray him as evil.






		     Alex.
From: burshtey@POLKA.SEAS.UPENN.EDU (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: If you don't like it here.....
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:54:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

[comments on why everything is the other way round deleted]

>Many of the threads are titled "Is America that bad?" as if it is a given
>that America is 'bad' and now we'll decide how bad it is. Complain all you
>want; it's a free country. But millions of people have and will vote with
>their feet, including some I think in this group. Can someone name ten
>people who have emigrated from the US to the XSU, to find a better life?

Oh, come on, you don't have to be that literal. Of course, America is not bad
(talk about understatement!).  But it's not perfect either.  That is what is 
a given.  It's just a normal country, which has its merits and demerits, with
the former, I must say, far outweighing the latter.  The (dialectic, if you
want) relationship between the two is what is being discussed.  If you don't 
like this discussion, you are free not to join it (after all, this is a free
country, as you have so keenly noticed).  And if you don't like the title,
you can change it to "Is America that good?".  Hopefully, that will make a 
difference for you.

>--
>Timothy.
>
>      ------- Time is our only resource, humor our only defense. -------
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        
Somehow, you seemed defenseless in this message.  Is Timothy THAT serious?
Anyway, don't get upset THAT much.  We're not THAT ungrateful to the good
old US of A.

Cheers,

Alex Burshteyn.
burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Chauvinism....
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 08:48:12 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

didinsky garry writes:
>Dear Sirs, instead of talking about what women should be, seek 
psychological
>help.  Instead of saying that there is no sexism in Russia, go back to 
your
>childhood, and try to remember what were responsibilities of your 
parents.
 
Psychological treatement for politically incorrect opinions.
 
This must sound disturbingly familiar to many in the ex-Soviet Union.
 
>Try to remember who was suppose to work everyday, take care of children, 
and
>cook food, and who came home after work to read newspaper and watch TV.
 
My mother was a damn good full-time professional who brought lots of
money in to the house and made me fully aware of the fact that women
can bring tremendous value to the workplace.  But more importantly,
growing up in her household prepared me to make the following statement:
 
Feminism is the greatest evil visited on humanity, and indeed the 
planet, in human history.  Hitler, Stalin and Sadam Hussein combined
couldn't approach the magnitude or depth of its attrocities.  The only 
thing comparable is the threat of global thermonuclear war.
 
PS:  For those of you who don't know about University of Illinois
at Urbana -- it is a male saturated environment where young men
are taught that they are scum by the young women, who are in 
artificially high demand.  

--                    
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: Pora smenit' temu.
Keywords: Berkeley, Harward, Illinoise,...( in alphabetical order )
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:05:12 GMT

	Gospoda, 
        Ne kazhetsya li Vam, 
        Chto temu o podderzhke amerikanskoj kinoproduktsijei rassovyih 
        poryadkov pora smenit' na :
 
        Berkeley - Harvard  3:3 - nich'ja.

     A to aposlya takoj interesnoj vyiveski stali pojavlyatsya razlichnyie
     Ebanezi i prochiye intelligentnyiye agenstva.