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From: swist@doodly.mcc.dec.com (Jim Swist)
Subject: Re: Request for Information: Cost of insurance, off-shore & passage making
Reply-To: swist@took.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:26:44 GMT


Boat insurance is very similar to car insurance in terms
of options, deductables etc.

Rates are lower, reflecting fewer claims for boats than
cars.  

It is less regulated than car insurance.  Thus you can
rate-shop more easily.  It is also subject to "rich
boater syndrome".  You may get quoted a very high rate
on the off chance you won't know better and won't care
what the rate is and will say yes.   In one of our
local network notesfiles the same 25' boat was getting
quotes for $275 up to $800 for the same coverage.

More variability in policies from company to company than
cars.  My policy says Atlantic coastal waters.  Others
have much more specific restrictions.  Many policies
have max offshore limits (40 miles, for example).  But
because there is less standardization you can probably
get insurance for any situation you want with enough poking
around.  The location may affect the rate, but more
typically will affect the minimum deductable you can get.
(On my policy (Boat/US), a boat moored in Boston can't get
lower than $500 deductable, no matter what you are willing 
to pay.)

We have also heard reports of *very* tight coupling to
the motor vehicle system.  One boater could not get insurance
on a boat because of several recent auto speeding tickets.
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: women and sailing
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:23:17 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik) writes:

>Thanks to the many people who sent me positive e-mail about my article on
>women and sailing.  I was more than a little concerned about what the response
>would be.  

>Now can I take off my asbestos swimsuit and go back to fixing my leak?  ;-)


Fix your leak. My wife and I both sail boats and boards. She's the racer, I
just like to go fast on sailboards and cruise (we co-captained a 37 footer this
year from St Lucia to the Grenadines and back. By chance, she also captained
the day of the worst weather: 45 knot gusts and 6-8 foot shoert wave-length
chop. One neighboring boat that night at anchorage had actually been knocked
down to the point of having the boom in the water. When it comes to boats,
competency counts, not gender


--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Mounting transducers without a thru-hull
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:00:52 GMT

I have been told that if you 5200 it to the inside of the hull it will work
reasonably well.  Also, coating the head with winch lube and providing some
braket to hold it in place is supposed to work well...  I will never again
make an oil filled blister on the inside of the hull.  Had one leak all over
the place during a 2 week cruise and made a real mess and never really
worked.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: miker@cs.uwa.oz.au (Michael ROBINS)
Subject: British Steel Challenge Race Reports
Summary: Request for on line race reports of this round the world race.
Keywords: British Steel Race Report
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:08:42 GMT


Britsh Steel Challenge Race Reports

The British Steel Challenge is a  round  the  world  yacht  race,
motivated  by  Chay Blyth and his orriginal reverse circumnaviga-
tion in 1970.  It's concept is refreshingly  inovative,  being  a
one  design  race  between  a  fleet  of  identical 67 foot steel
cruisers crewed by 'volunteers' from all walks of life.   A  sort
of public access yacht race.  The race started in September.

Satellite communications are being used to provide  regular posi-
tion  updates along with weather reports and two way telex access
to the public.  School groups have been  encouraged  to  get  in-
volved through the Campus 2000 computer network,  working with an
educational package and the Ocean  Vigil  observations  from  the
boats.

British Telecom are 'proudly'  providing  a  FAX  service  giving
current  race  charts and other information.  Alternatively there
is a software package through which 'for the  price  of  a  local
call'  more  detailed  information can be obtained and PostScript
charts produced.

My reason for this posting is to enquire as to  the  availability
of  this  information on the Internet. Or to encourage a UK based
internetter to start posting some of  this  stuff  to  this  news
group.  Is there a mailing list to which I should subscribe ?

I get the impression that the information is public and could  be
posted, but one had better check.  A FAX card and a FAX to GIF or
PostScript conversion program would be my suggested technique.

The contact information given by Yachting Monthly is:

Fax Database Poll: UK 0473 612888  
Fax Poll Helpline: UK 0473 649494

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Michael Robins                Pgrad. at Dept. of Computer Science 
miker@cs.uwa.edu.au           The University of Western Australia
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness)
Subject: Re: Need tips on winterizing an I/O
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:15:26 GMT

I just helped a good friend winterize his Merc I/O. He used to spend hours
pouring antifreeze into open hoses. I took a small (360 gph) bilge pump
and a short piece of hose with a standard garden hose attachment on the end
and hooked it to his flushing 'ears'. We had to tape a plastic bag to the
transom under the I/O to funnel the antifreeze into a bucket. The pump
sat in the bucket with a couple gallons of 50/50 antifreeze mix and we just
started the engine and ran it 'til it came up to operating temperature to
make sure the thermostat had opened. After the engine was up to temp he
started pouring Marvel Mystery oil down the carb until the engine almost
stalled, then he poured in some more until it did stall. That's about it!

Your mileage may vary but we are sure every place in the cooling system
is filled with a good mix of antifreeze.

Bye,
Jerry
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:32:53 GMT

The best I have found thus far is a 'Dark and Stormy'.  It is a mixture of
Bermuda Black Seal rum and Ginger Beer.  Don't substitute alternate rum or
ginger ale for the ginger beer except in a real pinch.  The black seal rum
is an extremely dark rum and the ginger beer is rather potent in its ginger
flavor.  The first drink I have run across where the rum seems to be used to
cut the sharpness of the mixer :-)


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: How to move two Lasers?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:17:39 GMT


Several people have made reference to two people or one person lifting
a Laser.

While they only weigh about 135-145 lbs lifting a Laser by yourself
can be downright nasty to your back.

As a matter of fact, after a day of sailing, even lifting a Laser with
another person calls for some caution.  I know of at least 15 people
who have back troubles now that originally started while helping someone
else pull their boat out of the water or onto a trailer or car.

It is a good idea to use three people to lift a Laser or any other
small boat.  Seems like overkill, but it'll save your back.

Use 35 people to lift an E-Scow ;-)

Will

Laser Mailing List: laser@cica.cica.indiana.edu  reply to this note to sign up

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From: dembrows@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Barry Dembrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Bareboat Chartering
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:57:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I am looking for information on bareboat chartering out of Puerto
   Rico.  On my last trip to the island (by plane) I found it very diffi-
   cult to find a reputable company to charter with.  This was not a prob-
   lem of a language barrier since my wife is fluent in spanish (she lived
   there for fourteen years), and I comprehend about 80% of what is spoken.
   Most of the problems we faced involved the equipment; ripped sails, broken
   or severely frayed lines, an anchor that was not secured to the boat. The
   time it took me to inspect the boat and correct all the problems trans-
   lated to $$ lost and put a damper on trip.  

	Also, if anyone has ventured by boat off the east coast of P.R. to the
   islands of Culeabra (sp.) or Vieques I would like to hear about it.  I plan
   on taking a longer trip this year and I am considering visiting those two
   islands.  
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:32:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Self-steering with bungee cord
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I started using the bunjee cord trick almost by accident when I was
racing Fireballs.  I frequently needed two hands to do something
(e.g., raise the spinnaker) and had to let go of the tiller.  As soon
as I did that, the rudder would whip off to one side.  To prevent that
I fitted a piece of bunjee cord with hooks on either end, and an eye
in the middle.  The eye fitted over a pin on the tiller, and the ends
hooked to either side of the cockpit.  It was not intended for
self-steering, just to hold the tiller amidships whenever I let go of
it for a moment.  There was not much tension, so it had minimum effect
on the feel of the tiller.  Other people solved the problem by doing
things with one hand and their teeth.  I always thought that was too
risky: one good lurch and hello false teeth!

When I moved to my cabin boat, I started to make a similar
arrangement.  To determine how long to make the bunjee cord I
temporarily wrapped the cord around the tiller.  What I found was,
that the cord could slip slightly around the tiller so that it was
self adjusting.  There was sufficient friction that it would not slip
too far; when the wind picked up, I made two turns, which increased
the friction and the tension.  

I thought I had invented something new, and now I discover lots of
people are doing it.  That's great.

B.S!
From: ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Items For Sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvra.183990007
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA


Folks, send mail to chastise this poor hapless soul.  On my machine
there are far more bytes taken up by the chastisements (the fellow who
quoted the *entire* article should be spanked) than the origninal error
takes up.

---

Ben
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: British Steel
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:48:49 GMT

Someone asked for reports on British Steel Challenge. I can't give much
information as I don't have access to the faxes, etc., but I have in front of
me a report from Wednesdays issue of the Times.

In brief, this is to the effect that all boats are in Rio. Skipper of
Rhone-Poulenc John O'Driscoll has withdrawn and is replaced by Peter Phillips.
O'Driscoll originally replaced Alec Honey who had to withdraw at the last
minute.

Commercial Union skipper Will Sutherland has also withdrawn - no replacement
indicated.

Nuclear Electric crew member David Johnso (56) has also withdrawn because he
felt he was not fit enough.

A personal point of view - Phillips appears to have the reputation of being a
toughie, and has appeared on board apparently ranting and roaring about the
crew having had far to easy a time of things and how they were now goig to
have to work, etc, etc.

This sort of crap from these 'roaring boys' makes me sick. If this guy
appeared on a boat I was on with this sort of stuff, he would end up in the
harbour with his dunnage following quickly after him. It's worth noting that
so far on this project, 3 skippers out of 13 have withdrawn, 1 crew member out
of 100+ has withdrawn - I think the crews are doing better than the
skippers...

If this seems a little jaundiced, remember, I was never totally convinced of
the wisdom of the project in the first place - I'd be interested in other
opinions.

Roger Hare.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Request for Info: Broker references (east & gulf coasts)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:09:25 GMT

I recently thumbed through a few of the boating magazines and
newspapers (weeklies) that I have collected over the past few
months. I thought I remembered seeing "a lot!" of broker listings,
but actually found very few. The ones I found (in SAIL magazine
for example) listed boats in the $100K, range more often than
not. However, some of the weekly's classified had "for sale by
owner" boats in the $20K to $40K range, as did some of the 
broker listings.

I am looking for price ranges on 32' to 38' ocean cruising boats,
preferably fiberglass or wood built after 1975/76.


Anyone have a favored publication with sailboat/broker listings?

Anyone have a favored broker? 

Or conversely, a horror story about disreputable brokers?

Any opionions on "government seized" ads? 

Any opinions on "charter/broker" outfits.

Any clear advantage to going through a broker? (e.g. financing?)


In the past I have gone the 'for sale by owner' route for many
things (my house, furniture, etc.) and in some respects am biased
towards that market. Professional sales people, let alone 
companies whose entire staff consists of sales people, give me the
willies, though if appropriate I do buy/sell through a broker
(e.g. stocks, options, etc.)
(lastline)
From: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for name to go with sailboat...
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:02:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Hi:
     After not being in the sailing business for some years, I've
decided to get back into it.  My previous boats include several
Hobie Cats, and a 26 foot Columbia, with inboat Atomic Four and a fixed
keel.  So I know how to sail.  Just don't know what is currently available,
nor the going prices.

	I know the kind of boat I want - trouble is, I don't know whether
or not such a boat exists, or, if so, who makes it.  Can someone help
with advice?

    I am looking for a boat with the following attributes:

	(1)  Anywhere from 20 to 25 foot, although this is ballpark.
	(2)  A variable keel (probably a centerboard, but there may be
         other options - I dunno)
	(3)  A large cockpit, with cabin space which is small but adequate
         for overnite for a couple (comparable to camping).
    (4)  Fiberglass hull (of course).  
	(5)  An outboard.  Used boat. Full complement of sails.  And I
		 would hope to pay no more than about $6,000 for a used boat,
         which would probably be 10 to 15 years old.

     What I would *really* hope for is a reply which says something
along the lines of: "You're looking the xxxxx model, made by yyyyy".
Armed with that, I can then scan the out-of-town papers from Miami and
Tampa, and also call brokers and ask if they have one listed.

     So any help/advice/suggestions would be appreciated.  E-mail or
posting to the newsgroup, whichever is your pleasure.

Thanks,
       
John


-- 
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
   "America was largely populated by early ethnic cleansing movements
            in Europe, with England leading the way."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: British Steel Challenge Race Reports
Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (OBSchou)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:47:52 GMT

> Britsh Steel Challenge Race Reports
> 

...

> British Telecom are 'proudly'  providing  a  FAX  service  giving
> current  race  charts and other information.  Alternatively there
> is a software package through which 'for the  price  of  a  local
> call'  more  detailed  information can be obtained and PostScript
> charts produced.
> 
...

> I get the impression that the information is public and could  be
> posted, but one had better check.  A FAX card and a FAX to GIF or
> PostScript conversion program would be my suggested technique.
> 
> The contact information given by Yachting Monthly is:


I have used the FAX no to get details back - it was painful to see
Comercial Union limp to Rio the last few days...

The FAX takes about 5 minutes to come through.  There have been some
230-plus reports (ie several each day on average)

I only get the paper copy - I'll see about a PostScript version which
could be re-mailed.  (British Telecom have Copyright, but allow
re-distribution as long as they are acknowledged.)

Bertil.


P.S.  All this is based on the assumption my emplyer will let me do
this...

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Two copper pyramids glued base to base with sap)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.221143.13020@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes...
>>    A peel with a twin groove system probably results in a loss of three or
>>    four boatlengths; a bare-headed change about ten times that amount.
>I am afraid your people performing the bare headed change vere fumbling,
>opr then you are comparing some amateurs to some professionals.
> 
>Did you see the posting refering to the fleet of J24s, where the fashion
>of foil luffs is going away?

You seem to be oversimplifying the situation to support an argument that
the foil is always bad. You probably wouldn't try to convince us that coffee
grinders are bad/not worth the money/unreliable because you don't find them
on a j-24. On his S2, any time you are bareheaded you can't go upwind at all.
Even without fumbling, you still have to get all those hanks off (and more
hanks than on a j-24) after you drop the jib. Ok, maybe it's not 40 boatlengths,
but even if it's 10 additional boatlengths, you go with the foil. Besides j-24's
hardly ever change headsails in the middle of a leg. By the way, did this get
out? I think my news system is unreliable.




Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: When to go?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:35:28 GMT

In article <1d763bINNafs@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>1.  Make sure your fuel is clean.  If it is not, filter it or polish it.  If 
>    you don't know how, let me know and I will tell you.

OK, I'll bite. What does "polishing" my fuel mean. I've got the "Brasso" and a
clean rag handy :-)...

>2.  Spound your fuel tank to get the water and junk out.  Again, if you don't
>    know how, just ask.

I assume that the first word here is "sound" rather than "spound," but if not,
I'd love to know what "spound" means. Also, I had always taken the phrase
"sounding the tanks" to mean "sticking a long stick into the tank to see
what's in it" (i.e., how much fuel there is). Since this clearly will not get
the water and junk out, I'll go ahead an ask---what do *you* do when you
"sound the tank"? 

>7.  Adjust the valves and torque the head.

Adjusting the valves sounds like a good idea, and my Westerbeke manual
recommends that it be done periodically. There's no mention in either the
owner's manual or the shop manual about re-torqueing the head. 


-John
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hall Probes (Re: Compass on a chip)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:55:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: spss.1992Nov5.165559.4303
Organization: SPSS Inc.


>From article <1992Nov4.220153.29746@cs.brown.edu>, by jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes):
>> I posted too soon, claiming that there existed chips with fluxgate compasses
>> 
>> So there you have it---perhaps there *is* no such thing. On the other hand,
>

Radio shack has a small inexpensive electronic compass. Some cars
(Dodge Caravan) can come equiped with an electronic compass. I don't
know if they are based on "compass on a chip" technology.

>I was talking to someone in our Physics Dept. who's working with "Hall
>Effect" probes.  These are small sensors on a chip that produce a
>voltage signal in response magnetic fields.  One Hall Probe does not a
>fluxgate make; they are not sensitive enough to measure the earth's
>field directly.  But when arranged in some certain configuration, it
>is possible.  This arrangement, to my understanding, is the actual
>"flux gate."  

Hall Effect and flux-gate magnetometers are compleletly different
ways of measuring a megnetic field. With both you need at
least a pair sensors perpendicular to each other. I believe Raytheon
makes a card with flux-gate compasses on them meant for aero-space 
applications.
From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: South Coast 23
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud
Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 

I recently purchased an old South Coast 23 and began restoring and
refitting it.

This is a Carl Alberg design that was built in Shreveport, Louisiana
starting in 1964 and ending sometime in the mid '70s.  Since the company
has been out of business for a long time it is hard to get any
information about this boat.

I would like to hear from anyone who owns (or has owned) a South Coast.

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