HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Moving sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:36:10 GMT

In a message dated Mon 14 Sep 92 21:26, Shepard@bnr.ca (roy Shepard) wrote:

 SS> - 1 piece stero with 2 cassette decks, record player,     $10
 SS>   equalizer, tuner, etc. No speakers (cannabalized them
 SS>   for my surround sound system).

What inputs does this unit have?  How big (physical size) is it as well?

 SS> - Many, many cassette tapes (@ 100) from the 80's.        $1 each
 SS>   Lots of popular musicians.                              $30/all

This might be something to look into..

Jammer

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From: g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko)
Subject: Re: Ottawa area computer stores
Reply-To: g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko)
Organization: Digital Equipment of Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:00:30 GMT



>In article <KIM.92Sep11080330@kim.Software.Mitel.COM>
>kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman) writes:
>One other recommendation. Komputer Korner in Kanata. He runs a
>really
>good shop with excellent quality and good prices (in our
>experience.)

Anyone have any experiences with PC-PRO in Kanata, or SONA in Bells Corners?


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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: glenn@Newbridge.COM (Glenn Brauen)
Subject: Re: LOW gas prices in West End!
Keywords: gas wars, prices, low
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.201942.3959@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>I believe the other one is a Sunoco station, MY FAVORITE !!!
>That station is on the south side of Richmond Road.
>
>Their top of the line 94 octane stuff is (was) at 63 cents/L.
>
>Truly the cheapest in town!

I just filled at the Esso on March Road (between Mitel and Newbridge)
this morning.  The Esso Supreme was 62.7 cents/L.
-- 
Glenn Brauen                        glennb@newbridge.com
Newbridge Networks Corporation
600 March Road, P.O. Box 13600,     (613) 591-3600
Kanata, Ontario, Canada, K2K 2E6    (613) 591-3680 (G3 FAX)
Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.misc,ont.general
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Star Fleet Battles : Second Call for Players
Keywords: SFB
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:30:47 GMT

We have 5-6 interested players so far, any more?

------------------------------------------------------------------->
Hello fellow neters in the Ottawa, Canada area,

  I'm looking for some people interested in playing a board game
call Star Fleet Battles - a intricate game based on Star Trek where
you command a ship and fight other players.  I have a complete copy
of the Doomsday rule book and all the associated SSDs.  I am looking
to play on Sunday afternoons and would like to eventually play a 
campaign game (i.e. command some space, buy ships and attempt to
take over other's space).
 
Don
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a fur coat
  (but not a real fur coat, that's cruel),
If I had a million dollars, we wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner
  (but we would eat Kraft Dinner), of course we would, we'd just eat more. - BNL
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: crath@bnr.ca (Lynda Timmerman)
Subject: Re: Advice on Ottawa computer stores?
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:51:18

In article <1992Sep9.142702.7865@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> dannyd@bcars692.bnr.ca (Croc Duguay) writes:

>>   In article <1992Sep9.013948.4431@bnr.ca>, kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski) writes:
>>   >Can anyone recommend Ottawa-area computer stores to visit or to avoid?
>>   >I'm somewhat new here and I'm interested in buying a good-quality
>>   >printer (probably an HP DeskJet to hang off of my 386) but I'd like to
>>
>>
>>   If the HP DeskJet you are interested in is the low end one that uses
>>   Ink Jet technology, I say avoid it. I had to return mine after I struggled
>>   with the print quality for about a month ( it really smudges alot ) .
>>   The Apple Stylewriter is infinitely better.
>>
>>   I haven't checked out similar printers by other manufacturers.
>>
>>   Danny

All the HP DeskJet printers are ink jet printers.  That is why they
are less expensive than HP's laser printers.

I must disagree with your assessment of the HP DeskJet printer.  I
have been using an HP DeskJet PLUS printer for about three years and
have absolutely no complaints.  The new ink (about a year old) used in
the printer is NOT water soluble, and NEVER smudges after it is dry.

However, there are a couple of caveats:

  * If laser quality output is desired then you must use high quality
    paper.  Regular photocopy paper is OK for rough drafts and output
    that doesn't have to look perfect.  I use ink jet paper I pick up
    at Grand & Toy for around $6.00 per 250 sheets.  The un-initiated
    reader ALWAYS mistakes it for laser-printed output.

  * Large black areas, as sometimes occur in graphics cause some types
    of paper to wrinkle.

  * It's not very good at doing shades of grey unless the program
    you're using knows it's printing to a DeskJet and adjusts itself
    accordingly.

My primary use of the DeskJet is output from TeX, LaTeX, and
FrameMaker.  The FrameMaker output is done through a postscript
interpreter, so like TeX a full page bitmap is being sent.

NOTE: When used in this fashion I find that the DeskJet PLUS can print
      faster than an HP LaserJet printer, since its the transfer rate
      between the computer and the printer that's the limiting factor;
      and the DeskJet prints the page as it receives the image, while
      the LaserJet doesn't print until it has received the whole page.

As always, your mileage may vary,

Christopher


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 Ottawa, ON, Canada | "Hydrogen is a colourless, odourless gas which, given 
 (613) 765-3141     | enough time, turns into people." -- Henry Hiebert
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jrwyatt@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Robert Wyatt)
Subject: re: Advice on Ottawa computer stores?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:57:17 GMT


Kerry (and other BNR types),

BNR employees get a discount from Computer land (see the discount club info for phone
number).

An associate paid 439 for a DeskJet 500 just a few weeks ago. I am not speaking 
for their service, just the fact that we get a discount.


BTW, I am not representing Computer Land with that price, call them for a sure
price.

Robert Wyatt


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Bell-Northern Research Ltd.              |-------------------------------------
P.O. Box 3511, Station C                 |My views are my own; no one 
Ottawa, Ontario                          |else would own up to them. 
Canada, K1Y-4H7                          |Don't take offence, its not intended!
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From: hemi@bcrkd12.bnr.ca (Hemi Thaker)
Subject: Coop wishes to purchase some furniture
Keywords: furniture
Reply-To: hemi@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, VHDL Group
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:18:44 GMT

Hi :

        This message is for a friend who does not have net
access.  He wishes to purchase the following items :

        - one mattress (single)
        - one reading table
        - couple of chairs
        - bookshelves

        As he is a coop student, he is willing to compromize
on the condition, if the price is right :-).  Please contact
him directly at 763-9087.  Oh yeah, his name is Bob.

Hemi

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             necessarily reflect the views of my employer.
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System Level    P.O. Box 3511, Station C           Fax: (613) 763-7241
Modeling        Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7   Email : hemi@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)
Subject: Re: Mortgage Amortization Scheduling Service
Followup-To: ott.general
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:28:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.141440.28295@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, kbrough@bcrka393.bnr.ca
(Kenneth Brough 1614168) wrote:
> 
> I have already written a couple of spreadsheets in Excel 3.0 for the MAC which
> calculate payment/amortization options and generate amortization tables. So
> far they have proved accurate to within cents of what my mortgage co. tells
> me I owe.
> 
> As I am a kind and generous soul who doesn't believe people should have to
> fork over good money just to figure out Canada's byzantine mortage system
> I am prepared to post binhexed versions of whatever formats you want that
> Excel provides. (SYLK, WKS, etc. etc.). Please e-mail requests so the
> group doesn't get all choked up.
> 
> For other BNR types, these spreadsheets are available on a Mac fileserver.
> Cocos me for details.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Brough
> Merchant ASIC Engineering
> *----------------------------------------------------------------*
> | Mail Stop 047                     E-mail:     kbrough@bnr.ca   |
> | Bell-Northern Research Ltd.       Phone: ESN:     6-393-2308   |
> | P.O. Box 3511 Station C,          Phone: BELL:  613-763-2308   |
> | Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1Y 4H7   FAX:          613-763-3970   |
> *----------------------------------------------------------------*

You're right, I guess my posting makes me look kind of dumb. I was reacting
to the original post, which was offering a set of listings for 5 bucks. My
intention was to alert people to the silliness of paying good money for 
something they could easily do themselves. Of course, I look just as greedy
as the post I reacted to, by offering to sell a simple spreadsheet for the
same amount. But, you have to believe me, it was just an offhand comment
along the lines of "hey - if you waste money on this, I'll take it off your
hands". The responsible thing to do, as Ken has done, would have been to
offer free copies. But I've never exchanged software by E-mail, and I
really
thought this would be a trivial exercise to write, so the thought didn't
cross my mind.

So if anyone can't get Ken's file, contact me and I'll try to send you a
copy
of mine. FREE! (How's that for competative pricing).

And re Ken's comment about Canada's "byzantene" mortgage system - correct
me
if I'm wrong, but dosen't our system add up to less interest overall than
the
American system or normal loan amortization?

Chris Ellens
ellens@bnr.ca
From: gank@Software.Mitel.COM (Kok-Ti Gan)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Car For Sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:17:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.




       1987 Pontiac Firefly
       ====================


- Rust Proofed
- New Timing Belt, recently replaced.
- AM/FM Stereo Cassette with 4 speakers.
- 4 Almost new Goodyear Arriva Tires (approx 10,000km used)
- Will Certify
- Engine oil changed at every 5000km.


Car is in excellent condition with no rust. Must be seen.

Asking $2500 o.b.o.

Call (613) 834-8779 after 6pm or leave message.
From: sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Advice on Ottawa computer stores?
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:04:49 GMT
	<13wVqB1w165w@aqua.ocunix.on.ca>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca's message of 10 Sep 92 12:12:11 GMT

Darin Cowan said:
  I bought a souped up 286-24 from MICS and it was great.  They called me
  up and upgraded the power supply for free one time.  When my BBS hard
  disk packed it in, they came to my house and replaced it free of charge.
  This was a few years ago though.  It's possible they've gone
  downhill.

Unless they've changed a lot very recently, which I strongly doubt,
I'd say they were a *great* place to deal with.   Their prices
weren't the lowest in town, but they were extremely helpful, courteous,
and all-round "good folks".  When I was shopping around I found it was
one of the very few places I felt one could trust.

Richard Sharman
From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: new
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:08:12 EDT
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

I have several older versions of software including Word Perfect, Procomm Plus, Enable OA, Oracle, AMI Pro, PC Tools (5.5), Excel, Windows (3.0), and maybe moreMake an offer if you are interested.  I have an unused NEC 40 MB hard drive, an
unused ATI 2400 modem and a Microcomm QX12K modem to sell also if I can get a
mutually agreeable offer.

Ian Nunn
722-6687 evenings
954-8719 days
From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: ott.general,pinetree.chat
Subject: Zen and the Art of the Internet
Summary: It's here for the downloading!
Keywords: Zen and the Art of the Internet
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 00:29:21 EDT
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

The plain ASCII version of the first edition of Zen and the Art of the 
Internet is now available for first time download from Gordon's Pinetree. 
It is found in /public, called zen-1_0.txt.

Gordon's Pinetree supports v.32bis/v.42bis callers at +1 613 526 0702.
First time callers login as NEW and fill out the questionaire.

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Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general,rec.games.frp,ont.general
From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet Battles
Keywords: SFB
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:48:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.203701.16007@bnr.ca> dclayton@bmerh801.bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>Hello fellow neters in the Ottawa, Canada area,
>
>  I'm looking for some people interested in playing a board game
>call Star Fleet Battles - a intricate game based on Star Trek where
>you command a ship and fight other players.  I have a complete copy
>of the Doomsday rule book and all the associated SSDs.  I am looking
>to play on Sunday afternoons and would like to eventually play a 
>campaign game (i.e. command some space, buy ships and attempt to
>take over other's space).

As I no longer play this intricately challenging game,
I just happen to have a largish amount of game materials 
with which I could be per$uaded to part.

If there is interest in a potentially dirt cheap bargain, 
let me know and I'll check the inventory to see exactly what I have.
Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general
From: colette@bnr.ca (Colette George)
Subject: LOW gas prices in West End!
Keywords: gas wars, prices, low
Organization: Bell-Northern Research 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:11:31 GMT

GET THE LOW GAS PRICES WHILE THEY LAST!

There are two "warring" independant gas stations with low prices in the
west end.  They are located on Richmond Road, (corner of Richmond
and Ambleside/McEwen).  The exact location is about 2 blocks east
of Lincoln Heights Galleria.

The station on the left is called Mr. Gas and is selling regular 
unleaded for 51 cents a litre (full service).  The other gas station
is right across the street (I forget the name), and it's selling
for the same price.

Don't know how long this will last...
-- 
===================================================================
Colette George 			
Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
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Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general
From: crath@bnr.ca (Lynda Timmerman)
Subject: Re: Advice on Ottawa computer stores?
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:38:04

--
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 Ottawa, ON, Canada | "Hydrogen is a colourless, odourless gas which, given 
 (613) 765-3141     | enough time, turns into people." -- Henry Hiebert
Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general
From: slade@bnr.ca (Paul Slade)
Subject: Re: LOW gas prices in West End!
Keywords: gas wars, prices, low
Reply-To: slade@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:39:04 GMT

I too filled up with gas there last night.

I talked to the proprietor of the Mr. Gas station, and he was unsure how long he could
keep the price down as Mr. Gas was not involved in the "price war", just himself. I
guess he gets a commission of sorts from Mr. Gas and he figured his expenses >= revenue
at 50.9 cents/litre. 

I'd suggest it may not last long.

Paul
From: breath@pinetree.org (Norma Joseph)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Zen and the Art of the Internet
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:54:32 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I have heard of a publication called "Zen and the Art of the Internet"
but am having trouble locating  a copy.
If anyone has heard of this, probably obscure, document, please let
me know if there is a copy around the Ottawa that I could borrow or
copy or buy.
Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: rjkoop@sebastian.carleton.ca (rjkoop)
Subject: Items for sale.
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:55:54 GMT

I'm selling the following items :
    Universal keyboard stand                 $30
    MFM 16-bit controller board              $20
    Cakewalk software for MIDI control       $80
    Ultima V - original disk and manuals     $30
 
If interested call me (Richard Koop) at 224-8740 (leave message).
From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Star Fleet Battles
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:30:57 EST

In a message dated Mon  7 Sep 92 13:04, Dclayton@bmerh801.bnr.ca (don Clayt
wrote:

 DC> From: dclayton@bmerh801.bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
 DC> Subject: Star Fleet Battles

 DC>   I'm looking for some people interested in playing a board game
 DC> call Star Fleet Battles - a intricate game based on Star Trek where
 DC> you command a ship and fight other players.  I have a complete copy

I have played Star Fleet Battles before, and actually have another friend
here in town (both of us are in Ottawa for school), that has played before
(we've only played once or twice).

 DC> to play on Sunday afternoons and would like to eventually play a 

Sounds like fun.

Jammer

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Newsgroups: ott.general,bnr.general
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: LOW gas prices in West End!
Keywords: gas wars, prices, low
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:57:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.191131.22700@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, colette@bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:
|> GET THE LOW GAS PRICES WHILE THEY LAST!
|> 
|> There are two "warring" independant gas stations with low prices in the
|> west end.  They are located on Richmond Road, (corner of Richmond
|> and Ambleside/McEwen).  The exact location is about 2 blocks east
|> of Lincoln Heights Galleria.
|> 
|> The station on the left is called Mr. Gas and is selling regular 
|> unleaded for 51 cents a litre (full service).  The other gas station
|> is right across the street (I forget the name), and it's selling
|> for the same price.

Thanks Colette for the tip.  I went to top up last night.  The price is/was
50.9cents/litre.   And the other station is Caltex.  Another convenient
landmark is that they are located about 2 blocks west of Ottawa Honda.

It's about time we have a break in the west end.  I hope many others will
go there to top up.  If they see significant increase in sales, it might
be an incentive to keep the price low and attract the biggies to follow suit.

...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Zen and the art of the Internet
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:26:47 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

Synchronicity. The latest package from the Library of Computer Science
book club which arrived in yesterday's mail lists this book as an 
alternate selection: 113 pages, soft cover, Prentice-Hall, Aug. 1992,
US $22.00, club price US $18.00.

Ian Nunn
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Zen and the Art of the Internet
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:25:56 GMT

In <LTVRqB5w165w@pinetree.org> breath@pinetree.org (Norma Joseph) writes:

>I have heard of a publication called "Zen and the Art of the Internet"
>but am having trouble locating  a copy.
>If anyone has heard of this, probably obscure, document, please let
>me know if there is a copy around the Ottawa that I could borrow or
>copy or buy.
>Thanks in advance.

I too would like to know where to obtain it.
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jack@csi.uottawa.ca (Jacques Sincennes)
Subject: Re: Ottawa area computer stores
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:40:08 GMT

In article <KIM.92Sep11080330@kim.Software.Mitel.COM> kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman) writes:
>One other recommendation. Komputer Korner in Kanata. He runs a really
>good shop with excellent quality and good prices (in our experience.)

I don't know about the one in Kanata; but the one in Vanier has a "NO REFUND"
policy.

And as far as the quality goes; I bought a modem from them.  It broke after
3 weeks!  I returned it and got it replaced; this one never worked!! When I
returned afterwards, they claimed not having any of those left.

Their "NO REFUND" policy seems to superseed their waranties...

>--
>Kim Letkeman	kim@Software.Mitel.COM

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From: boyd@hq.crad.dnd.ca (Garth Boyd)
Subject: Re: LOW gas prices in West End!
Organization: Chief, Research & Development, National Defence
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:40:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.160049.15112@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca (Claude Cantin) writes:
>The east end (Orleans) has seen decent prices for the past 6 weeks or so.
>ALL stations on St-Joseph had their prices down as low as 53.9 last week, then
>raised it to 57.5.  This morning, some (including Petro-Can, Esso, and Shell),
>at 52.7...

The Petro-Can at the corner of St-Joseph and Duford in Orleans had 
regular unleaded set to 50.9 on Sunday evening. 

 --
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Voice: (613)831-0888                      Desk: (613)992-5211     -\<,
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