From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: Media bias
Keywords: bias
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:24:22 GMT

session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:

>You may be an atmospheric scientist, I don't know, but you sure don't
>sound like you are. The Greenhouse Effect is science which is pretty
>hard to refute.

I certainly would like to hear 'your' definition of the 'Greenhouse Effect',

> It has been proven in numerous laboratory experiments.

When?  Are you equating the fact that CO2 (among others) absorb certain
wavelengths of radiation to proving the 'greenhouse effect'?

>All you say is you "feel" that it is a "hoax" and offer no evidence to
>back up such a claim other than the typical anti-research claim that
>all research opinions are driven by desires to continue funding. Try
>refuting the claim with some REAL science and not some OPINIONS.

'REAL SCIENCE' is that the Earths atmosphere is made up of 78% Nitrogen,
21% Oxygen...Everything else is <1%, and if it's CO2 that's bothering
you...please relax..it's .0033% (even after you DOUBLED it!!)

>Check out Climatic Change, Vol 16, pp 1-4. 

Is this considered a 'Scientific' or 'Unbiased' ?

>Warming is in dispute, the Greenhouse Effect is NOT.

Yes it is, or we wouldn't be talking..

>dispute on Global Warming is not whether or not the Earth is warming,
>it is. The dispute is how much hotter it will probably get and what
>the possible consequences are.

Yes it is...no it isn't...

[ A bunch of junk deleted]

>>I may also add that global warming should already be occuring according to
>>these models. It has not.

>According to SOME models. As you have already alluded, all of the models
>do not agree.

By virtue of the definition of 'model', especially a predictive model,
it predicts things on what you put into it (computers don't introduce
anything), I dare say that I could make a computer model 'prove' this
argument either way...but then again, did I 'prove' anything...no..

>Chad R. Berthelson also followed up with:
>>I agree, last semester I took 'Climatology', a graduate-only level class
>>at MSU which is taught by THE State Climatologist of Mississippi...and
>>during the portion of the class in which we looked at pattern, etc. from
>>historical data we used over 1 hundred years of data from Mississippi 
>>and we found that the last 6 years straight the AVERAGE temperature
>>has been less than the AVERAGE for the last 100 years...hmmmm...

>Sorry, but the temperature measurements of a single area like Mississippi
>are not enough to make valid conclusions of global warming. FWIW, the
>temperature where I live in NC has been increasing. Our temps are more
>in line with the observed average global temperatures. The first two
>years of the 1990s were the hottest years on record EVER recorded not
>only in NC, but in the world average also.

I never said it did...but isn't it curious that NC is so much more in-sinc
with the whole world than is MS?  Just for my curiosity, who did measure
the worlds temp??  Very few areas even have 20 years of Climatic data,
alot of the world has NONE! (you know of anyone measuring the temp in 
any of the deserts, seas...).  My personal non-scientific opinion is
that you bit off and swallowed a bunch of non-scientific garb put out
by the liberals and radicles. ;-)

>>BTW..the 70's (the time that the new ice-age was the rumor) was some of
>>the hottest years for this state in recorded history...hmmmmm...

>Again, the recorded temps in one area alone are not significant.

>>and the above statement that 'all scientists agree that the greenhouse
>>effect exists' is false, I don't believe it (not by what you are calling
>>the 'greenhouse effect').

>See the article referenced above in Climate Change. btw, the Greenhouse
>Effect and Global Warming are not the same "thing".

I didn't say it was, and I don't buy either one as being science (nor
am I concerned with either)
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Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
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