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From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim population
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:26:57 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


The Muslims in India number around 12-15% of the population.
But its a popular game of both Muslims and Hindus of the
extremist variety to claim gross undercounts -- to claim
even more discrimination, or to provoke fears of a Muslim
population explosion.

Countries like Iran (read some of their official and semi-
official news etc.) say that good relations depend on India's
treatment of her 200 million Muslims -- it seems that many
people buy the 20-22 crore figures.
The matter of fact is that if indeed Indian Muslims number
so many, then no one can complain about lack of religious
freedom.

Here is [a repost of] some data: the point is to show that
the official figures are in line with the historical trend --
(so maybe they were manufactured that way :-)).

People should note that Pakistan is supposedly the third
fastest growing population in the world.

Some population data:
( please take these to be indicative only; for all
the caveats on the data please refer to the original publications )


***
Undivided India
Percent of Total Population in Each Religion 1881-1941

                  Hindu    Muslim

1881              78.09    19.97
1891              74.24    20.41
1901              72.87    21.88
1911              71.68    22.39
1921              70.73    23.23
1931              70.67    23.49
1941              69.46    24.28   [1]


***
***

[2]
           Millions (1988 est.)     Hindu   Muslim (1982)
India        796.60                  78.8%    11.6%
Bangladesh   104.53                  12.7     85.9
Pakistan     105.41                   1.3     96.8

adding another line to the first table:

India + Bangladesh + Pakistan

                 Hindu    Muslim
1980s             63.8      28.2

***
 [1] : Davis Kingsley, The Population of India and Pakistan, ~1951.
 [2] : Economist Book of Vital World Statistics, 1990

***
arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bhattadd@watt.ccs.tuns.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: HAPPY BIHU
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:02:27 GMT

I wish a very happy Rangali Bihu ( Bohag Bihu ) to all the netters from
Assam. Also wish a happy New Year ( Natun Basar ).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dorai@cs.rice.edu (Dorai Sitaram)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:42:48 GMT

In article <92107.215156U15297@uicvm.uic.edu> Shyamala Parameswaran <U15297@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Why should a separate USENET group for tamil(s) be
                                        ^
>newfound discovery that tamils lived worldwide and were
                         ^
>group for tamils is deemed necessary. The generic chant
           ^
>can octopus-like lay claims on 'tamil' music, and wrench
                                 ^
>what belongs to the tamils away from RMIC, RMIM. And
                     ^
>netwide tamils, rejoice, float janma-patrikas, maybe
         ^
>array in tamil-to-tamil bonding and really, live
          ^        ^
>happily ever after, Tiruvalluvar and Vasuki style.
>
>So, in effect, in seeking a newgroup tamils are seeking
                                      ^
>Re. Mr. Spivak. Last I knew, it was Gayatri Chakravorty
>Spivak who is a proponent for cultural pluralism both here
>and through a third-world affiliation.

(So the guy didn't know Spivak was female.  He didn't claim to be a
Spivak expert.)

Why do you write 'tamil', not 'Tamil'?  :-> It's not like you have
uniformly adopted lower-case in treating all proper nouns and their
corresponding adjectives.

More seriously, it would be helpful to know if you're arguing as
someone who has messed around, to whatever extent, in things Tamil --
like N.S. Raja, for instance --, or out of a general opposition to
splitting s.c.i., or for some other reason (possibly involving Gayatri
Spivak).  Neither of these reasons would be an invalid one of course:
I just think it would be useful input so that the followers of the
discussion can develop an informed attitude to your pungent eloquence.
:-> Maybe _you_ personally do not need the group (just like _I_ don't
need/read alt.fishing).  I am not saying it is as simple as that, but
these are some of the questions that arise when an visible and
influential person like you vigorously argues against a newsgroup.

My own current view favors abstention, since I don't see that the
proponents have shown sufficient cause, but I have no motive in voting
negatively, thus canceling the vote of somebody who actually wants the
group.  If a sufficient number of people want the group, why stand in
their way?  People who don't want the group have the option -- a
variation of the classic press-n argument -- of not reading the new
group.  They're not going to foster unity and milk of human kindness
and other sundry milks by thwarting those who do want the group.  Note
this last is an argument against negative votes, not against negative
discussion.

>Yours, in Tamilness,
>Shyamala Parameswaran

Yours, in Chain-Yanking-ness,

--d
-- 

dorai@titan.rice.edu   !    It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
dorai@owlnet.rice.edu  !      it may be we shall touch the Happy Isles.
From: patb@lazy.helios.nd.edu (Pathikrit Bandyopadhyay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SATYAJIT RAY: International film awards
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:49:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr7.184936.2546
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Apr7.164139.25239@cfa.harvard.edu> somak@cfa.harvard.edu (Somak Raychaudhury) writes:
>
> 
>In article 31895 in soc.culture.indian, manu@tigger.colorado.edu writes:
>>>> Oh, I didn't know he won the Cannes( sp?) film festival award!!!
>>>>
>>>> Njan
>[...]
>
>1976  Padmavibhushan, Government of India
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: India: Question of self-confidence / Dr.Manmohan Singh
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:14:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.074450.25141@nuscc.nus.sg> krishna@iss.nus.sg (Krishnamoorthy Subrahmanyam) writes:
[Dr. Manmohan Singh's speech deleted]

At last, a politician with sense.... It's time someone did this and reduced
the "arrogance" of the Indian Industrialists who have been selling sub-sub-
sub-sub-....-sub standard products in India for all this time... Names like
Bajaj, HM etc stands out...

I can't wait to see Hondas and Toyotas in Indian market, and the closing down
of HM and other companies...

It maybe a good idea to adopt the German strategy here... close down all the
companies ( which they will, given the competition ) and start afresh.... and
that includes public sector companies too... Does HAL or BEL etc ring a bell?

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy)
Subject: Re: III: Conflict: Causes
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:51:51 GMT

I rarely disagree with Arun, but
In article <IdvhzeO00VAw00jFN0@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>
>
>Please note that I'm not calling for blanket reservations for
>Muslims or any other class. Ideally, the govt. will identify
>backward districts, (rather than religious or ethnic groups)
>and will concentrate on the uplift of these weakest of areas.
>Initially that will probably mean a lot of attention to areas
>that have Muslim concentrations -- because Muslim backwardness
>overall in India is a fact.
>


I  suggest that perception will be stronger than
reality. People are fed up with concessions and the
shrill screams of the red-eyed fundamentalists across
the border. Even with several aberrations, India, with
all its problems has managed to do a lot more to push
the secular idea than Pakistan or Bangladesh, which
have no interest in anything other than Islam ruling
every aspect of their lives. I found it amusing to read
in India Abroad recently an appeal from some Muslim
community to the Government of India asking them to
preserve the secular nature of the nation. In the same
breath they also ask to preserve Islamic personal law.

People are fed up. Modern-day applied Islam comes
across as separatist, shrill and hypocritical (yes,
blame the West on the one hand while accepting
the fruits of the same - scholarships, jobs which did
not require a religious certification etc - things
which by definition are not possibilities in their own
countries for minorities).  No more pandering and upheavels.

Vasudev
-- 
Vasudev Murthy               Any opinions expressed are strictly  
murthy@asl.dl.nec.com        my own  and have nothing to do with
(214) 518-5000          Advanced Switching Lab, NEC America, Inc.
1525 Walnut Hill Lane Irving TX 75038
From: dkulkarn@mozart.helios.nd.edu (Dinesh Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Marriage and related issues - My view; A different attitude
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr14.155833.6804
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Apr13.214406.6962@uoft02.utoledo.edu> grx0751@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>	Partners contributing unequally to the family environment (how this is
>	so by the simple fact of being a bread-winner is, see above), YET
>	getting equal say while taking decisions is equality in your opinion?
> 
>
> PS:	If anybody else wishes to follow up, please do so without any name
>	calling and with civility. Tell me where I am wrong and why.

Here's my objection to the attitude displayed above:

	Marriage IMO SHOULD NOT be treated as a partnership firm or a joint
stock company with votes (or say) pro-rated to your contribution. The commercial
attitude might create wonderful economies (does it really? but anyway) but
it is not a good basis for marriage. Here's my view:   

	Marriage is a non-pro-rated partnership in which the contributors
do what it takes to have a successful family (should be a mutually agreeable
state of affairs). If I can earn all the money required (or bulk of it)
and also help in domestic chores, I will do so w/o reducing my partner's 
say. Reciprocally, I would also expect to have a say (substantial but not
exact - divide by 2 style in any case) even if my wife is earning more
or is doing more otherwise. This, I believe is real commitment. Of course,
one partner should not carry on all the burden because the other partner is
a work-shirker. In short, the approach should be - this is what we want,
this is what it takes to do it, this is what I can do and this is what
you can do. The say you get is by virtue of being my partner and not because
you have contributed X dollars (or Rupees) or Y hours of work.

Maybe, I am not qualified to talk about the practicality of this approach
since I am not married. But this is my attitude anyway.

Dinesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Re: Response to INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: na
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:27:46 CDT

> In a few words, arranged marriages
> are just more like BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS rather than 

  Yeah, thanks a lot for stereotyping all ' Arranged marriages '
into this pigeon-hole....

> Most people prefer following this
  ^^^^^^^^^^^
> due to being conventional (and repeat !) not daring
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> enough to try something new. 
  
  The confidence of someone who has thoroughly researched the
subject! Statistically very sound!! How about throwing some
numbers around?! How about 90%? Naah, 97% sound better, huh?!

> Am glad that atleast a few were HONEST enough to
> agree with what I said.

  Yeah, I get your point. Pontificate based on unsubstantiated
suppositions and brand the heretics as DISHONEST! Way to Go!!

-PB
From: rpathak@cs.tamu.edu (Rajesh Pathak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: simple answer to complicated question
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:52:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

QUESTION -

WHY DO ABCD'S PRETEND TO BE GREAT FANS OF INDIAN CULTURE ?

ANSWER -

SO THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ADMIT TO THEIR CAUCASIAN COUNTERPARTS THAT THEY
CANNOT GET DATES ON FRIDAY NIGHTS.

- rajesh P.
From: uds@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sanskrit is the mother fo all languages ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:43:48 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <1992Apr9.135252.304@ncsa.uiuc.edu> podurys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Podury Satyanarayan) writes:
>prophet:  'prabhat', meaning the coming of dawn.  
>
>Jesus:  "isha", meaning God in Sanskrit.  I believe, in Germany, the letter
>         'J' is pronounced as 'I'.  So, 'Jesus' would be pronounced as
>
>Also, is there a word 'brua', or 'bhruva' in Sanskrit?  I believe it
>means 'language', or some similar meaning.  If it does, then there is
>another interesting word-derivation.  The word 'hebrew' means 'shiva brua',
>or 'shiva's language'.  Now, I was told by this philosopher (indian), that


I was told (authoritatively) that shakespeare was no one other than a brillliant
south indian brahmin (who shipped himself across the seas to U.K.).

His actual (uncorrputed - I mean) name is    sheshappa Iyer.

Seetamraju, Uday Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
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From: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: "An Indian Independent woman" bride wanted !!
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:56:16 GMT
Reply-To: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: vishram@happy.cc.utexas.edu

A nice, understanding, "non-freak out",not_tied_to_his_mama's_
pallu (Gee ! Pallu would have to be LLLOOONNNGGG),independent_
woman_lover, convincing, BOLD, amorous, non_dominating INDEPENDENT
INDIAN (since 1947) man wishes to spurn prettiest of the 
living dolls he has seen in the numerous living rooms across 
India and find an "Independent_Indian bride" to get married !!

Any takers ? Atleast ONE ?

PS: Please save me from ALL those pretty girls that my parents
WANT me to marry. Oh, PLEASE !
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy  )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New DoE Address in Delhi
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:23:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T


The DoE has shifted its office. 

The new DoE address:

Electronics Niketan
Building No 6, CGO Complex
New Delhi 110003
Tel: 4364041


				* End *
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IV: Conflict: Role of administration
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:51:08 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <Apr.16.13.09.26.1992.18972@blaze.rutgers.edu> kumarv@blaze.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty) writes:
>
>In 1989 I was in Hyderbad when the CM SHAMELESSLY protected the MUSLIM
>police constable who KILLED AT POINT BLANK RANGE a very high ranking
>HINDU police officer. During that times there were riots in the city.
>Both the policemen were in uniform NOT IN Riots but near a police van
>in the city. The CM said "The constable is very tired of work". THE CM
>IS A HINDU. TALK ABOUT CMS covering up HIndu attrocities.

	Ditto..
>
>There was not a single discussion on this issue when I posted it soon
>after my returning from INdia. If it were a Hindu constable who killed
>a Muslim police officer, there would have been a lot of "hue and cry".

	Ditto..

>
>Right now, as we talk, Hindus are being expelled from their homes in
>Kashmir, my friend's brother was kidnapped and still unknown what
>happened to him. 

	No but see, but that doesnt count according to alot of people
since there is an 'INDIAN" occupation going on. And ofcourse it doesnt count
that Hindus and other indians cannot buy land in Kashmir. I mean..
for kashmir you have to be a muslim and over that you have to be 
from kashmir. But see all these things dont count! But god forbid in
middle of a riot a muslim gets killed and oh..boy.. the nation is 
accused of being a muslim-hater. Oh.. and i almost forgot, it also 
doesnt count that out home-minister was a muslim.. no..no.. we 
are all one bunch of muslim haters. Yes.. we are..
From: dkulkarn@mozart.helios.nd.edu (Dinesh Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:26:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr17.192618.27597
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

>>ut-emx.uucp> vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi) writes:
>>>	I knew a pretty Asian-American (Oriental) girl who lived in
>>>my apartment complex and had developed a liking for her. So after I 
>>>thought I knew her fairly well, I was contemplating asking her out 
>>>on a date. ...
>>>	This friend just asked me to FORGET THE GIRL. He told me that
>>>no Oriental girl will go for an Indian. They might go for Caucasians
>>>(no racial thoughts on MY part here) probably, but most of them are
>>>told by their parents (or atleast given the idea) that Indians are poor,
>>>ignorant, good-for-nothin peasants. 

	I have not interacted with Asian Americans, but I do know many
Chinese (from People's Rep. of China) students quite well. They do not
have this condescending attitude (in my experience) and Chinese girls
(I could be PC and say women but girls goes well with guys while women
with men) are willing to go out with Indian guys. However, they are told
some things about Indians, and in particular brahmins and men. This kind
of information sometimes worries me (well there is enough cause for shame
but it is hard because I am not a part of the atrocities and not would
I even remotely do anything to endorse it). I felt really embarrassed 
while explaining to a Chinese girl from my department that while arranged
marriage is a widely followed custom, bride burning (dowry deaths) is
a criminally deviant form of behavior and NOT a custom or frequently
practised and accepted behavior. In another incident, in fact in a Chinese
festival, a Chinese girl remarked that I should consider myself fortunate
since I won't have to pay for my wedding and will get a fat dowry instead.
That too was an extremely distorted and embarrassing extrapolation.
Incidentally, talking about arranged marriages, it is hard for them
to fathom how their ancestors (in China) and contemporary Indians who
are well educated can make a decision about whom to marry in one or
two meetings, in less than a couple of days. I found it very hard to
explain, partly because I find it hard to understand properly.

In summary, we (esp. Indian men) have a pretty bad reputation due to 
the ugly acts perpetrated by some of our kind. Although it (reputation) is not
justified, it is there - very real. 

Dinesh Kulkarni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Subject: Addresses of some popular Computer Magazines
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:32:09 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bkrishna@rodan.acs.syr.edu (B. Krishnakumar)
Subject: GC Interview in Buffalo
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 10:10:59 EDT

Dearly Beloved People:

Does anyone know how much time it takes to get an interview after

filing an I-485 in Buffalo. If you do please let me know at
bkrishna@rodan.acs.syr.edu and I will remember you and two other
people of your choice in my prayers.

			  Krishna Kumar
From: sriram@almaak.usc.edu (sriram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CPI and the USSR
Date: 7 Apr 1992 20:36:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

Recently, the Times of India (TOI) reported in the front page about the 
monetary support CPI received from the USSR.  Following a Washington Post
story about how the KGB funnelled out money to communist parties world
wide, TOI's US reporters sought the assistance of the Post, and translated
the documents.  In that particular set of documents, it was states that
the CPI received $500,000.  (I think I am right about the figure).

This was just one instance.  I am sure slowly we will get to know how
much the CPI received.  I just hope that the CIA will release similar
data.  For, it has always been felt that the CIA was ever willing to 
encourage India's defection from the Soviet camp.  Probably the CIA's
funding will be comparable to the total US aid to India!

Incidentally, Gorbachev stoutly defended these clandestine operations, 
according to the TOI report.  

Something to argue, flame, and sling mud.  I am sure within a couple
of follow ups, the content of the discussion will have nothing to do
with the title!

sriram

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ahmed@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Lets start a controversial topic
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.220645.21381@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ndg0487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr Controversial ) writes:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> 	I am a new reader.  I have got bored by reading so many articles on
> 	arranged and love marraige. Let's start some new topic.
> 	My suggestion would be
> 
> 	"How it would be if we accept hindi as the national language of India"
> 
> 
		You are new allright!!

take care ... khaleel
From: fotedar@galileo.uucp (Sunil Fotedar [MDSSC])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Devanagri font on a Mac
Date: 10 Apr 1992 19:36:23 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/Johnson Space Center

Sincerely,
Sunil (Exteremely Desperate) Fotedar
.
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian