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From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: To get through or not to get through
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I gotta do a followup to this.

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From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace
Subject: Am I alone?
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:31:56 GMT
Distribution: trial
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Is this a newsgroup for pacifist discussions?  If it is, I
would be extremely happy to contribute!   But a couple of
things worry me a little:
 
First of all, if you will pardon my ignorance, does _trial_
mean that this newsgroup is on a trial basis, and that if
it doesn't get enough posts, that it will die a firey death?
 
And secondly, why is it that I finally find a newsgroup
dedicated to the topic that just might lead us out of
violence and misery, and there are so few posts on it?
 
This is the most important subject there is!  PACIFISM!
NON-RESISTANCE!  But I get the feeling that I must be the
most extreme pacifist in the world.  I have spent a great
deal of time searching for other pacifists.  I have met
other people who call themselves pacifists, but to me they
are not really pacifists.  I feel extremely lonely in this
sense.  If anyone shares my extreme pacifism, please write
me!  You have no idea of how much good it would do me to
find a kindred soul or two.
 
Well, I suppose I better give you all an idea of how extreme
my pacifistic beliefs are.  Would I take a defence related
job?  HECK NO!  My conscience wouldn't even allow me to serve
jury duty.   Let all the prisoners go!  I wouldn't become a
criminal, however, because most crime involves violence and
coercion.  But we have no right to do violence to a criminal's
free will!  I am opposed to government, and police because
government and law enforcement IS violence and coercion.
However, I am opposed to resisting the government and law
enforcement in any way, because that involves violence and
coercion.
 
I feel that the chances of finding someone who shares these
values is not realistic, but I might as well try.  Am I truly
alone in my beliefs?
 
Please respond!
 
Glenn Engelbart                   glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.
Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace
From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Subject: Am I alone?
Originator: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:38:10 GMT

Is this a newsgroup for pacifist discussions?  If it is, I
would be extremely happy to contribute!   But a couple of
things worry me a little:
 
First of all, if you will pardon my ignorance, does _trial_
mean that this newsgroup is on a trial basis, and that if
it doesn't get enough posts, that it will die a firey death?
 
And secondly, why is it that I finally find a newsgroup
dedicated to the topic that just might lead us out of
violence and misery, and there are so few posts on it?
 
This is the most important subject there is!  PACIFISM!
NON-RESISTANCE!  But I get the feeling that I must be the
most extreme pacifist in the world.  I have spent a great
deal of time searching for other pacifists.  I have met
other people who call themselves pacifists, but to me they
are not really pacifists.  I feel extremely lonely in this
sense.  If anyone shares my extreme pacifism, please write
me!  You have no idea of how much good it would do me to
find a kindred soul or two.
 
Well, I suppose I better give you all an idea of how extreme
my pacifistic beliefs are.  Would I take a defence related
job?  HECK NO!  My conscience wouldn't even allow me to serve
jury duty.   Let all the prisoners go!  I wouldn't become a
criminal, however, because most crime involves violence and
coercion.  But we have no right to do violence to a criminal's
free will!  I am opposed to government, and police because
government and law enforcement IS violence and coercion.
However, I am opposed to resisting the government and law
enforcement in any way, because that involves violence and
coercion.
 
I feel that the chances of finding someone who shares these
values is not realistic, but I might as well try.  Am I truly
alone in my beliefs?
 
Please respond!
 
Glenn Engelbart                   glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Padraig)
Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace
Subject: Re: Am I alone?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:08:03 GMT
Organization: UB

Hmmm...

Well...All I can say is that if you want to get something done here
just start yerself a thread and hope that folks are listening..

-padraig

ps...no you aren't alone...
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: Renaissance Festival
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:03:03 GMT
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Distribution: oh
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio


Hi - 

I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has attended the Ohio Renaissance
Festival near Waynesville. Is it worth the money? Can you spend the whole
day there without getting bored?

I'm especially interested in whether kids would be entertained by the whole
thing. I have an eight year old daughter who is into castles and princesses
and that bit, and a five year old son who might like the knights, jousting, 
etc.

Any and all opinions would be appreciated. Thanks


Jim

Newsgroups: oh.general,osu.general
From: Toni D Mericle <tmericle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: flex time
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:04:48 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Please let me know how your departments are handling flex time.  Does it exist 
in your office?  What are the pros and cons of this being integrated into your 
office?  I am especially interested in the "greet the public" offices.  At Osu 
there were no raises for staff, so what are your offices doing for your staff?
The reason why I need to know this is because we would like to propose to our 
boss that flex time would be a real nice incentive for his staff, especially in
these budget times.  Looking forward to hearing from you all.  Bye
Newsgroups: oh.general
From: henryc@oar.net (Henry Clark)
Subject: OARnet Engineering Group Job Opening
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:52:12 GMT


The OARnet Engineering Group in Columbus, OH is looking for another 
person to join our group.  OARnet provides Internet connectiivity to 
academic institutions, commerical companies, and government
organizations in Ohio at speeds ranging from dial-up to T3.  The 
official job blurb reads something like:

---------

Network Specialist

Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering or related field or an 
equivalent combination of education and experience; knowledge of 
networking and communications systems hardware and software; experience 
with UNIX systems, OSI protocols, TCP/IP, telecommunications or 
programming desired; assists in installation and maintenance of 
networking and communications equipment and peripheral gear; assists 
in monitoring networking systems operations and conducting performance
evaluations and systems diagnostics; maintains system records and
documentation; assists network users; produces network statistics,
documentation and other reports.

---------

If you're interested, please forward your resumes to "henryc@oar.net"
by 9/4/92.  Note that this is not an entry level position.

Thanks,
Henry
-- 
Henry Clark                      Network Guy, OARnet
Ohio Supercomputer Center        henryc@oar.net
1224 Kinnear Rd.                 Voice: (614) 292-6483, Fax: (614) 292-7168
Columbus, OH  43212              #include <disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: oh.general,osu.general
From: jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp)
Subject: Re: law or rule about required lunch time
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:13:17 GMT

In article <9209011759.AA12010@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Toni D Mericle <t
mericle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know if there is a federal regulation or law that says that if
>a person works 6 hours or more it is mandatory to take at least a one half hou
r
>lunch? Does this apply to civil service only?  Are A&P under this law too?  I
>need to know. Looking forward to hearing from you.  One more question.  Do you
r
>supervisors make you take a lunch and is there a rule about this in your
>specific offices. thanks
Newsgroups: osu.general
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In article <1992May21.184938.12267@cis.ohio-state.edu> Thomas A. Fine <fine@cis
.ohio-state.edu.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes, asking about rules regarding lunch 
break at OSU.

No, I don't know specifically, but see if you can get your hands on an OSU 
Operations Manual. It's the OSU bible on procedures, etc. It's in two green, 
about 1" 3 ring binders.
Newsgroups: oh.general,osu.general
From: Toni D Mericle <tmericle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: law or rule about required lunch time
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:59:13 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Does anyone know if there is a federal regulation or law that says that if 
a person works 6 hours or more it is mandatory to take at least a one half hour
lunch? Does this apply to civil service only?  Are A&P under this law too?  I 
need to know. Looking forward to hearing from you.  One more question.  Do your
supervisors make you take a lunch and is there a rule about this in your 
specific offices. thanks
Newsgroups: oh.general
From: mstov@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.stovsky)
Subject: Ameriflora Tickets For Sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: oh
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:18:28 GMT

Hi

Due to an illness in the family, I find myself with some Ameriflora tickets
and no one to use them.  I have 2 senior citizen tickets and 1 adult ticket.
I paid $13.00 for each of the senior citizen tickets and $15.00 for the 
adult ticket.  I'd like to get what I paid for them, but will consider 
reasonable offers.

All tickets are good any day.

Send e-mail to mps@cbvox.att.com or call me during the day at (614) 860-3671.


	Mike Stovsky

Newsgroups: oh.general,osu.general
From: phorlick@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peggy A Horlick)
Subject: carpool needed to NYC
Summary: carpool needed to NYC
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:18:49 GMT

If anyone is interested in attending a law school forum, or just wants to take 
a road trip to the big apple, I am looking for people to travel with the 
weekend of the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th from Columbus, Ohio to New York City,
New York.  I will be renting a car for the weekend and would like to cut the 
cost as much as possible.  If interested and would like to know more please 
call me at (614)-291-5571.  -Peg Horlick
From: hammong@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (GORDON HAMMON)
Newsgroups: oh.test
Subject: Again just to be sure!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:55:08 EST

Another Test.
From: hammong@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (GORDON HAMMON)
Newsgroups: oh.test
Subject: tseT
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:52:50 EST

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Newsgroups: oh.test
From: R1DWS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Dan Stefancik)
Subject: Re:What do we think info-port should be ?
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:03:03 GMT

  How about a Barter Forum to trade excess equipment, tools, material, etc. ?
 
  How about a New Services section where companies can announce new additions
  to their product and service lines to potential buyers ?
 
  How about a section of FAQ files where small businesses can quickly find
  sources of info for technical or other questions ?
 
  How about a listing of various University Departments that offer research,
  materials testing, consulting, marketing data, etc. to business/industry ?
 
  Hope this helps.    Dan
  P.S. What is the primary scope of oh.cast ?  I just started reading it.
 
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: jhf@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeffri.h.frontz)
Subject: Ever heard of Telecom Professional?
Organization: Jeff's Telephone & Telegraph, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:46:59 GMT
Keywords: magazine

Has anyone ever heard of a publication called "Telecom Professional"?
I saw an obscure reference to it in another trade rag, but I haven't
been able to find it in AT&T's library, nor on LCS (at OSU).


			    Thanks,
				    Jeff
-- 
Jeff Frontz                                              Work:  +1 614 860 2797
AT&T-Bell Labs (CB 1C-356)                               Cornet:       353-2797
att!jeff.frontz                                             jeff.frontz@att.com
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: Re: What do we think info-port should be?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.003016.28964@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser) writes:
>I've talked with Jon York (President of Columbus Area Chamber of
>Commerce, with Jeff Ritter (Columbus attorney most responsible for
>bringing info-port to Columbus; thank you, Jeff), and with a bunch of
>other people, and I've read the press packet from the original press
...

I forgot to mention that Jon considers this an Ohio project, not just
a Columbus one.  So, Toledo, Cleveland, Akron, Cincinatti, Lancaster,
and Piqua, what do you think?
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: oh.cast
Subject: Re: What do we think info-port should be?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:05:14 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser) writes:

> There could also be sections supporting
> sharing of information and expertise, much like Usenet. 

I haven't seen an alternative model that is as effective at sharing
information and expertise as Usenet is.  The only problems with Usenet
are the human interface has too high an entry fee and it is still too
difficult to filter out the noise.

> Once a match
> is made there would be on-line support for formalizing the contract,
> for locating a bank to handle currency exchange, for handling
> invoicing, etc. (the kinds of things now labeled as Electronic Data
> Interchange).  

Sounds to me like Privacy Enhanced Mail and some digital signature
system (whether the NIST DSS meets the need is not entirely clear).

How do we entice enough people who are looking for the other side of a
deal to the fire hose that is Usenet so that a user will find something
useful a quarter of the times he comes looking?

This is not business related, but I have finally brought enough people
who are working in one tiny little field together in an email mailing
list to make the medium useful in improving their productivity.  Deal
making requires a somewhat larger collection of people.

NASDAQ provides an electronic meeting place.  Coin dealers have a
teletype network that is effective in connecting buyers and sellers. 
Could we find other niche markets and serve them one at a time with a
newsgroup paradigm?

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh 

Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: Re: Ever heard of Telecom Professional?
Keywords: magazine
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.214659.16782@cbnews.cb.att.com> jhf@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeffri.h.frontz) writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a publication called "Telecom Professional"?
>I saw an obscure reference to it in another trade rag, but I haven't
>been able to find it in AT&T's library, nor on LCS (at OSU).
>
>
>			    Thanks,
>				    Jeff
>-- 

Jeff - I haven't heard of it either.  Try asking on comp.dcom.telecom?
I'll try to remember to ask people in ATP (Association of
Telecommunications Professionals, a central Ohio trade organization).
Jane

Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield)
Subject: Re: What do we think info-port should be?
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.003016.28964@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser) writes:
   We'd need to link Columbus to existing international business
   networks, such as DAS Net, etc. -- or Internet.

Two commercial Internet providers are represented in Columbus already:
OARnet is connected to ANSnet, and PSInet (a CIX member) has a POP
here too.  Both ANS and CIX allow traffic without academic content
restrictions, but they aren't (yet) connected to each other.  DASnet
is (last I checked) an email-only service, and its connection to the
Internet is located at UUNET, which is a CIX member.

So Columbus already has that part of the infrastructure in place.  But
that's a fairly minor part of what you need.

I'll have some more thoughts on this info-port thingy later, just
wanted to touch briefly on that particular point.
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: tscott@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tony Scott)
Subject: info-port ideas
Followup-To: oh.cast
Keywords: infoport, electronic transfer of funds, city disks
Organization: The Ohio State University 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:03:06 GMT

Further to our infoport brainstorm...

1) Does anyone have to hand references to the Scandinavian work
on chains of producer/supplier/supplier's supplier/....
-never- going to printed forms but doing everything by ETF?

I think I encountered it at a CSCW conference in Europe,
thought it was out of place at the time...I know the Swedes
have been looking at privacy/sovereignty issues in regard to ETF.


2) A while back (six or seven years now) 
I proposed an educational
project to the European Community  in which
school students would research their own community and gather information
that they though would be useful to students, tourists, and businessmen
in another (specified) city; their proposals would be validated by swapping
the data with students in the specified city, who would check it out to
see if the right questions (in their view) had been asked and answered.
The final phase would be the production of CD-Roms including the data
and imagery for each city. I lost out in the final round of competition
to a sexier, satellite-based project.  Now  I am wondering, what is the
infoport version of that idea? A cd-rom image on each participating city?
Downloadable? How could that be used to support 'made locally, sold globally'
initiatives?

3) infoport is being "sold" as getting A in contact with B, through various
kinds of electronic indexing. Wouldn't a better model be the merchant/broker
who gets a cut from getting A in contact with B?  But then, what is the best
model for information brokerage? Frank Odasz' Community Telegrapher,
who is never going to get rich but gets a lot of the other kind of reward from
empowering communities?  The conventional mercantile middleman?  The marriage
broker?k I'm thinking more about the opportunities for individual initiative,
packaging a well-targeted product, rather than big data services of the
Dialog variety.

Tony Scott, Department of Art Education & Advanced Computing
Center for the Arts and Design, The Ohio State University.
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: Tony Scott <tscott@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: PBS  conference for schools and telecom (fwd)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:50:02 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Forwarded message:
From EDUTEL@RPIECS.BITNET Fri Sep  4 07:39:34 1992
Message-Id: <9209041139.AA13398@ucsd.edu>
Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:36:40 -0400
Reply-To: "Education and information technologies" <EDUTEL%RPIECS.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
From: Prof Norm Coombs <NRCGSH@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject:      PBS  conference for schools and telecom
X-To:         edutel@vm.ecs.rpi.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list EDUTEL <EDUTEL%RPIECS.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>

I am reposting this from a usenet news group.
Norman Coombs nrcgsh@ritvax




Article 237 of alt.education.distance:
From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: What do we think info-port should be?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:30:16 GMT

I've talked with Jon York (President of Columbus Area Chamber of
Commerce, with Jeff Ritter (Columbus attorney most responsible for
bringing info-port to Columbus; thank you, Jeff), and with a bunch of
other people, and I've read the press packet from the original press
conference; I don't have much more idea of what info-port is than from
just reading the Dispatch articles (which I'd posted here).  

But I think there is a good reason for this vagueness.  Basically,
info-port is a 2-year franchise (Jon's phrase).  We in Columbus (and
the 13 other franchises) get to make of it what we can.  This is a
fantastic opportunity. My own feeling is that we can probably come up
with some nifty ideas, ideas that wouldn't be what the UN or some
other trade people might have come up with.  Darn, that's why they
picked this city!! (I hope.)  Maybe, we're not supposed to figure out
what *they* want; we're supposed to tell them what an info-port should
be.  (Whoever they and them are.)

So what do you think we should make of info-port?

Before you read the rest of my posting, spin out some ideas, build
some scenarios, think what would help your company grow, etc., etc.
Freewheel, brainstorm, whatever. Let me suggest we try to use the
usual rules for brainstorming -- no idea or suggestion is too crazy;
**no comments are to be made evaluating anyone else's proposal yet**
(evaluating postivitely or negatively) -- this is a very important
rule of brainstorming since it allows everyone to be creative. Sure,
some of the ideas won't stand up to close scrutiny; that's OK.  Use
your imagination and encourage others to do the same.  Spin off new
variations of my suggestions (below) and those of other people;
combine ideas, etc., etc.

***********************************************************

I envision info-port as including the following.  

Businesses that have products to sell or that wish to buy products
could connect via modem to a central computer and then use info files
and bulletin boards to make business connections.  Indeed, there might
be brokers on line who will serve as match-makers.  Bids and offers
might be anonymous or public.  There could also be sections supporting
sharing of information and expertise, much like Usenet. Once a match
is made there would be on-line support for formalizing the contract,
for locating a bank to handle currency exchange, for handling
invoicing, etc. (the kinds of things now labeled as Electronic Data
Interchange).  We'd need to link Columbus to existing international
business networks, such as DAS Net, etc. -- or Internet.

I also envision info-port as experimenting with integrated video,
data, and voice.

I also envision info-port as having at least some associated projects
that fail.  If there aren't some failures, we haven't been inventive
enough.

********************************************

OK.  Get crazy.  
Newsgroups: oh.cast