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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Newly Pregnant (what to do?)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:52:09 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1992Dec27.001846.8305@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA>, 
hollan@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Rene Hollan) writes:
 
> Anyway, onto my reasons for posting. I thought I would get others opinion on
> pregnant moms using VDT's. I have heard so many different views on the subject
> and don't know what to do. 

At one point, it was thought that a string of miscarriages among a number of
women might have been caused by the pregnant women's exposure to VDTs (video 
monitors). It turns out that a large study of women working for a telephone 
company in jobs that were very similar except for the use of VDTs showed that 
the VDTs do not appear to increase risks of miscarriage at all.

The original miscarriages probably occurred in a bunch just because that's 
the way random occurances do happen--we all expect random occurances to be 
evenly spaced, but that's just not the nature of reality--but they may have 
been caused by extremely stressful conditions or (getting into wild 
speculation here) a 'sick' building, without adequate ventilation.

Conclusion: You don't have to worry about mysterious awful effects of 
computer usage on pregnancy.

Less serious problems to keep in mind: carpal tunnel syndrome, common among 
those who type too much and too fast, may be more common among pregnant 
women due to water retention leading to swelling, so keep an eye out for 
bad habits. Consider getting a footstool if it will help you sit more 
comfortably. Keep a glass of water next to you all the time, so that you 
will drink enough. Make sure you have a comfortable chair--if my office 
chair were not as comfortable as it is, I would have had a LOT more back 
trouble in pregnancy.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:09:57 GMT

In article <93009.101233LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Regarding changing clothes before bed.  Lisa asked if it is okay to leave
>the baby in the daytime clothing at night.  My baby was born the same day
>as Lisa's (8-14-92).  I change the clothing if she has spit up all over it
>or if it is damp from diapers, but otherwise if it looks okay and warm
>enough, I leave her in what she was wearing that day.  I wonder if there
>is much of a difference between sleepers and other one-piece things, or even
>when she is wearing fleece pants and shirt I leave her in those.  Why do
>twice the laundry?  Do others always change into night time clothing?
>Ellen

Supposedly children's sleepwear is flame-retardant and that's why
sleepwear is recommended at night.  Some "daytime" clothes have
warnings which say they aren't recommended at night (Echo Field dies
this).  However, after repeared washings in soap (I think) the
flame-retardance reduces.  Also, they get kinda grubby if left in the
same clothes day and night, and I imagine they feel better (just as I
do) with a change of clothes.

I don't always change my baby's clothes for nighttime, but 99.9% I do.
I also tend to change his clothes at least twice during the day, too.
Drooling makes one cold after a while.

My 3YO sleeps in oversized regular shirts.  That's what HE prefers.

Also, the clothes-changing is part of the baby's going-to-sleep ritual.

Jennifer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for email address of Betsy Perry
From: sietsma@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Jocelyn Sietsma Penington)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:55:46 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Betsy Perry posted a summary of responses about nursing bras at the end
of September.  I tried emailing her to ask for a copy, and my message returned
"user unknown" - I used the address betsyp@apollo.hp.com.
If she is still reading this group, or if someone else knows her address, or if
someone kept a copy of the article I want, please mail me.
Thanks,
       Jocelyn.
sietsma@latcs1.lat.oz.au
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Question - what's the word for ...
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:29:45 GMT

|> In article <1993Jan12.184705.842@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth) writes:
|>  [snip'd]
|>             Another one is when a relative said said his name was 
|> >"William IwishIwas Kelly" instead of William Aloysius Kelly.

I hope this isn't too much of a tangent from this cute thread, but this 
reminded me of something.

At my Baptist Church, when new members are introduced to the congregation, 
the pastor would sometimes use the phrase that they are "coming from a 
church of like faith and order in our city", when what he really meant was 
they were jumping ship from another Baptist church in town (because if 
they're coming from a Baptist church in another city, he names both the 
church and the city they're transferring their membership from).

Anyway, after several years of hearing this, my then-adolescent daughter
finally asked me, "Mom, why does Dr. Smith say these people are coming from
a church lacking faith and order?".

Jan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:06:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.145902.25526@crd.ge.com> millerj@belize.crd.ge.com writes:

   	Corey will be 7 months Jan 13th and we've had a devil of a time trying
   to get him to lie still to dress him, change his diaper, etc.  I've tried
   making faces at him, giving him a toy, having one person hold him down, etc.
   Once he could turn over both ways and crawl he's impossible to pin down.

This sounds familiar.  Our 7 year-old still cannot keep still.  But
what we did with her is to have her watch an older friend lie still to
have her diaper changed.

   	Now I have to give him cough medicine and drops in his eyes.  He used
   to take his vitamins in a dropper really well but now it's impossible to
   do without getting half of it on his face/clothes/hands.  It takes one 
   person to hold his head and one person to try to pry his mouth open and
   shove the dropper in.  He tries to clench his jaw and jerk his head the
   whole time.  I do the eye drops when he's drinking so I can usually get
   one eye without him noticing.
   	HELP!! Is there a trick to doing this?

None that we've been able to find.  You just have to gently strap them
down into the comfy chair, and pry their orifice (eyes,mouth) open
with a crowbar.

Think of his skill at evading medicine as evidence of how smart and capable
your child is.  :)

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:20:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Our pediatrician recommended that we begin giving a bottle 1-2 times per
week when the baby was between 2 and 3 weeks old .  He says that this
is not frequent enough to cause nipple confusion or interfere with milk
production, but introduces a bottle in time to avoid problems with
accepting a bottle.  This advice worked well for me and others I know,
but conflicts with material from LLL, among others.  By the way,
he said the bottle could be formula or breast milk, we used breast
milk.  I wonder if others who tried this had problems, or if it is
generally good advice.  I have told many new moms this, with good
results.

Laura Dolson
dolson@crl.ucsd.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: child sex predictor (vietnamese)
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:30:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.024833.6214@oakhill.sps.mot.com> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>One point...how do people know which MONTH they conceived in?  Not counting
>unplanned or questionable dated pregnancies...my last period was 2/17/92..
>(side point..wow a YEAR without periods!  too bad you have to be pregnant
>to achieve that! ;-) )
>
Geez is this absurd!!

Another point...  How does this gender-predictor account for fraternal
(boy/girl) twins?  Or ANY multiple fraternal birth, for that matter??

You might as well just dangle the old wedding ring over the abdomen...

--Karen
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Babysitting Woes...need Nanny information.
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:01:46 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 28475@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com, hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne) writes:
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>Here we go again!  Our home daycare provider told us last night that she is
>quitting.  Awful timing...I am 6 1/2 months pregnant with our second so I 
>don't want to make my 19 month old go through 2 weeks of hell getting used to
>a new sitter and then take him out because of maternity leave.  Anyway, thanks
>for listening to my gripe.
>
>On to the question.  A few months ago, there was a big discussion about 
>Nannies and sharing a Nanny.  I know someone was considering sharing a Nanny
>with a friend to make it more economical.  Did anyone by chance save this
>discussion? 

And if anyone did, could they send me a copy, too?  I remember that dissertation
and hoped it was saved into the nanny.faq but no luck.

Kirsten, too bad you're not on the west coast. I'd share a nanny with you. My
daycare provider is moving and I have to find something else for my 8 month
old daughter.  Everyone keeps cautioning me about separation anxiety coming up 
any time now, as if I needed to be even more stressed out about getting a total
stranger to take care of my baby.

It seems like everyone I talk to who uses daycare, however, is in the same 
boat.  All our daycare arrangements are always hanging by a thread.  I guess 
it's just the reality of the working parent.

Alison Suggs
mom to Danika, 8 mos.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: toddler memory
Keywords: I forget
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:10:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.193824.1720@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>Quite a while ago, there was a thread on how far back toddlers can
>remember.  Well, I have 2 data points that indicate that spread, but
>you'll have to draw your own conclusions :-)
>
>Data point 1: At Thanksgiving, Billy and I went over to visit one of
>Mary's aunts (he was 29 months old).  After the initial clinging period
>he started to explore, went over to the fireplace and said "Where's the
>bunny rabbit?".  I was totally confused until Mary's aunt said that she
>had had an inflatable rabbit sitting on the mantle at Easter.  We certainly
>never talked about it so Billy clearly remembered it from the previous visit
>when he was 23 months old [the last time we were there].


I have a good one.  We collect juice lids off frozen juice containers
and put stickers on them.  I cut a hole in the top of a plastic lid
and Rachel can stick these juice lids through the top to drop into the
container below.  Well, she really prefers to drop them down old
heating grates in our house (they are no longer used.)  After she
drops them, she wants them back and then she drops them again.  Dave
quickly tired of this, so several of the lids have been down there
since summer.

A week or so ago, she wanted the lids.  She wanted the elephant (that
was the sticker that was showing.)  Dave asked her if she promised not
to drop them again and she promised.  So, he removed the grate and fished
the lid out.  She said, "Want the frog too."  Well, the other juice lid
that was down there didn't have a sticker showing, but when Dave picked
it up, sure enough, there was a frog on it.  It had been at
the bottom of this grate for 6 months turned upside down and she remembered
it.  She has dozens of these lids with stickers, so we were amazed.

The juice lids promptly ended back down the grate.  Rachel also lies.  :-)


>Data point 2: We had some friends over just after New Year's day.  We had
>told Billy they were coming to ease the trauma of having other children in
>his "space".  He knows all of them and has for a long time.  They came, they
>played, Billy called them all by name all evening.  They left around 8 p.m.
>with a round of hugs, waves, and kisses.  As *soon* as the door closed, Billy
>turned to me and said "Who was that?"
>

No, Steve, you misunderstand.  That is a test.  He was asking YOU if
YOU knew.  He knew perfectly well!  :-)  He's already started thinking
he's smarter than his parents.  :-)

Kathie


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:32:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.003003.17878@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:

>Better yet, what does this have to do with ANYTHING??? The sex is determined
>by the male gamete, not the female!!!

But there are factors within the female body which affect the sperm
cells, and in particular provide a more hospitable environment for one
gender or the other.  Ph, for example.

I'm not claiming that there's anything to this Chinese system, but
there's more to conception than what's in the sperm.

>DUH!!

And people say *I'm* rude...

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hsu@plato.ds.boeing.com (Aileen H Hsu)
Subject: mother confused about toilet training
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:07:41 GMT

	My daughter is 22-month-old today.  After reading all the
posts on the net about toilet training, I decided to wait for her to
be ready.  We borrowed some books from the libray on the subject and
read them together.  She has a little potty that she got for Christmas
when she was 9-month-old from her grandparents.  The potty has a
removable lid that fits on the adult size toilet.  I wait for signs
that show her readiness.
	But I'm confused now.  Is she ready or not?  The situation is
this.  She seldom asks to use the toilet except at diaper changing
time.  When she sits on the potty, she almost always urinate in it,
which makes me think she knows how to empty her bladder.  Then play
time starts, she climbs into the tub and wants me to wash her behind or
she wants to sit on the big toilet, she pulls toilet paper off and
attempts to wipe herself, throw it in the toilet and flushes it.  The
cycle could repeat 3 or 4 times.  Sometimes I let her do this but
sometimes it's not possible, i.e. I'm cooking something on the stove,
then I make a deal with her about if we put on her diaper then she
gets some privileges.  But she could change her mind while the I'm
putting on the diaper and says she needs to use the potty again.  She
never produces anything except the first time she was put on the potty
so I feel she is just playing.
	What should I do?  Should I let her "play" with toilets or
not?  I definitely don't want to discourage her from using it.  Should
I start asking whether she wants to use the toilet every hour or two?
I want her to be trained and not me.  It will be a lot easier to put 
on and off pull-on diapers than regular diapers, but I don't want to 
put her in them until she's ready to be toilet trained.  First because 
they're a lot more expansive than regular diapers and I read it's not 
good to switch them back and forth.
	Help!  I really need some feedbacks from you.
	Thanks in advance.

Aileen Hsu
plato.ds.boeing.com
From: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New Sleep Question: Please Help
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:56:06 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

My 25 month old has acquired a new habit in the last couple of
months.  She wakes up somewhere between 0 and 4 times per night
and cries for her Mommy.  If I get up immediately, go into her
room, rearrange her pillows and animals back to "tuck in" position
and recover her with her blankies, she instantly returns to sleep...
whole process taking about 2 minutes in entirety.  I have never
picked her up, nor does she ask me to.  I do not talk with her,
except to say that "Mommy was sleeping, and does not want to wake
up.  Please do not wake her up again!  You are okay."  I do say
"Night Night" upon my exit, and blow her a kiss.  

When she was younger, she was Ferberized and I have no problems
with this method.  However, I don't know if that is appropriate
here.  For one, she has the ability to climb out of her crib,
although she isn't allowed to (but might if truly upset).  Secondly,
once she has got up to scream, she really can't cover herself back
up...so it isn't like she doesn't need the service I provide.
Thirdly, she is over 2 now...I sort of think as Ferber and crying
it out as for infants, not toddlers.  Finally, I have used a 
Ferber-like method when she won't nap.  I put her down.  She gets
up and screams.  I leave for (30 seconds).  I return and ask her
to lay down.  She screams.  I leave for (1 minute).  I return and
ask her to lay down.  She still screams.  I leave for (2 minutes).
I return and ask her to lay down, and she does.  This has worked
now and then when she started to rebel against her nap.  Great,
execept that NOW I realize it has reinforced me being there when
she lays down, to tuck her in.  Just what I don't want to do in
the middle of the night!!  Last night she was up at 12:40, 1:00,
3:30, and 5:30.  Come on!   Is this a phase I just have to endure,
or can somebody HELP ME.  All suggestions appreciated!!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Whitley            email: Chris.Whitley@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronics     Phone: (303) 223-5100 ext. 314
2001 Danfield Court        Fax: (303) 226-9556
Ft. Collins, CO  80525
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:45:11 GMT

In article <93004.202139RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Sikhs do not cut their hair and wear turbans even when it is boiling hot.
>Zoroastrians leave their dead exposed to be picked at by vultures.  Etc.
>Just to prevent people getting mad at me, I will say that ONE of the
>customs mentioned above (but only one!) does make sense.
x
Both of these do: many cultures have learned that covering one's 
head in bright sun conditions helps keep you cool.
Letting dead bodies be eaten by beasts (also an Amerind trait out
in the Plains) is reasonable and a lot smarter than wasting prime
real estate on buried flesh.

That said, so what? Circ could be as good as these (if the latest
studies on penile cancer are correct), or as dumb as a ban on
eating pork (if they aren't).  You can't prove by analogy.


-- 
Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
"88 is 55 if you want to fly."
From: steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:29:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
radio) into the labour room with them to help them
cope/relax, whatever?

I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
soothing for some reason).

Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?

Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.



-Stephanie

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry S. Rein)
Subject: Re: Toddler Genital Names (was: "Stop Grabbing Your Penis!")
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:47:08 GMT

I, too, have heard parents refer to a girl's genitals as her vagina. 
Actually, the correct term for the female external genitalia is 'vulva'.  I
hope my little girl will not be touching her vagina for many years yet!

******************************************************************************
*                               Barry Rein                                 
 *
*                        brein@dsfvax.jpl.nasa.gov                         
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*                              No clever comment.                          
 * 
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From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:55:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Love you forever (was Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>At my grandmother's funeral (last August) I read three two poems and a
>slightly modified form of the "As long as I'm living, my mommy you'll
>be"

We had "Love You Forever" in our house and it really helped during a time
when my mother-in-law was dying of cancer.  My husband had to spend a lot
of time travelling to be with her and we were all under a lot of stress.  
This book seemed to help my daughter understand why her daddy needed to 
be with his mom and what he was feeling.  Of course, it was some job
for me to get through reading the story without lots of tears.  But in
any case, I highly recommend "Love You Forever" for kids who are losing
a grandparent.

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Cutting it off (was: A few facts about circumcision)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:04:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.213146.18536@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>Oh yes...and to the person who insisted that I show my stats, facts, and
>figures to prove that it's a wash...I have a life.

This has yet to be determined, but you obviously don't have the facts.

>This means that I don't
>have the time to read every single report by every doctor in the world on
>their views about circumcision.

This is a red herring.  I made no such request, just that you provide the
references for the claims you made.

>You are entitled to your opinion, but unless you come up with *unbiased*
>figures that prove that something like 75% of all circumcised babies die as
>a direct result of the procedure, you're not going to change my mind.

Not necessary.  I have yet to see a good reason to continue the routine
practice of infant circumcision.  If you have some, let me know.  Otherwise,
when you do circumcise infants, you do it without reason.  If this alone
is not sufficient to get you to stop, nothing I say can change your mind.

>All I ask is that you leave the rest of us alone already.

Not a chance as long as people are going to post their opinions as facts.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
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