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From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Subject: Re: Hydrangea not thriving
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:54:07 GMT

In article <Lcj-DM=@engin.umich.edu> cak@citi.umich.edu (Carol A. Kamm) writes:

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   Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:16:47 EDT
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   My first posting didn't seem to make it so I'm trying again.  Apologies if
   you've seen this already.

   I have two Hydrangea (Annabelle variety).  The pictures I've seen of these
   always show huge white "snowball" flower clusters.  Mine, on the other hand,
   form flower clusters that bloom one flowerlet at a time.  The flowerlets are
   greenish, too.  I know that pH can affect flower color, but does it also 
   affect whether all the flowerets bloom at once, forming the snowball?

   One plant is at least 5' tall and wide, with northwest exposure.  The
   other has northeast exposure and is about 2-3' tall/wide.  Both have
   been in their locations at least 5 years, and they've "bloomed" like 
   this forever.  

   Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated.  Please email responses - I
   don't always get to read netnews.

   Thanks in advance.

     What I am going to write probably will have no relation to your 
question at all, but at least it will confirm that your posting has
been received.
     The wild hydrangea has little fertile "flowerlets" or flowers
that many people consider boring (stupid people).  They have a few,
typically four larger flowers that are sterile.  Hybridizers have
bred out the fertile tiny flowers and bred solely larger sterile
flowers into the cultivated hydrangea.  This is why you don't
grow them from seed by the way.  Perhaps something is interfering
in the case of your cultivar.  A poor hybrid?  Do they get enough
sun?  Insufficient nutrients (tried fertilizing regularly?).
     As you see, not much help...just verification of posting
and a little background.

Vince
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu

From: woodley@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Judy Woodley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:51:54 GMT
Subject: Re: bugs and those creeped out by them
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.gardens

Spiders are our friends...so my husband says.  Why?  Well, our guest bath
(seldom used) tends to attract critters 'cause our window screen isn't very
snug.  A large black spider has taken up residence under the bucket we keep
in the tub to conserve water.  He is hairy.  I know because last time I picked
up the bucket (my husband had failed to tell me about this new 'pet') and I
almost squashed him with my finger.  He (the spider, who, incidentally, my
husband has named Spike) was very understanding considering how close he
came to bug heaven.  He spends his time under the bucket and does a pretty
good job of keeping other bugs from getting past the bathtub.

I guess we'll 'keep' Spike until he dies, decides to leave, or decides to
start a family.  In the latter case, he will be rapidly removed to the
garden.

...I guess this has something to do with gardens because, knowing spiders,
that's the most likely spot Spike will end up!

Judy Woodley

P.S.  I guess we might relocate Spike if we have a WANTED house guest
coming.... 
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From: mguyott@eriador.prime.com (M. Guyott)
Subject: How to grow grass?
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:22:15 GMT


I suspect that there is FAQ info around somewhere about how to plant and
grow grass from seed.  If someone could point me to the appropriate FAQ
or send me a copy I would be grateful.

If this info does not exist in an FAQ somewhere then perhaps someone
could give me some pointers.

I am a new home owner.  I have just had several trees removed from my lot
and I have had extensive drainage work done.  Needless to say, I now have
a lot of rather large dirt patches that are in need of seeding.

The soil is very rocky.  Is there an easy way to remove the rocks that will
damage my lawn mower (someday hopefully) from these areas?  I am planning on
using a rake and then going through with my hands.

There were several pine trees on the lot so I am going to put down some
holmitic (spelling?) lime to counter a little of the acidity and then I am
going to put down some seed.  What kind of seed should I use?  Someone told
me to use "sun and shade" seed.  Another person told me that "Lofts" is a good
brand name.  Any other advice?

I know I have to do a lot of watering.  Should I water twice a day for two
weeks?  Two months?  Then once a day for another time period?

Thanks for any info and/or tips.

Marc
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From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: Pink Pearl Apples
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:53:00 GMT

Is anyone out there growing Pink Pearl apples?  This is an heirloom
variety.  I've only seen pictures but they were beautiful, with a beautiful
pearly pink flesh.  If you grow them: how pest-vulnerable are they and if
bad how do you cope with it?  Do they taste as good as they look?

Although I am for the moment, unfortunately, stuck in L.A., I don't intend
to stay much longer (I hope!) and will probably be moving to someplace
that could be considered apple-growing country and would like to grow them.
Although heirloom fruits in general interest me, there is just SOMETHING
about those beautiful pink-fleshed apples that appeals to me in particular.

Oh yeah, if you grow Pink Pearls, what USDA zone are you in?

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: grimjack@milton.u.washington.edu (Leslie Basel)
Subject: Re: Pruning  (Was Re: Advice: Peonies, iris, lilacs)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:29:21 GMT

In article <8020029@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> gates@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bill Gates) writes:
>Interestingly enough, this group is not always humorous.  They have picketed
>homes where poor pruning jobs are discovered, and they have sic'd city
>officials on to folks with similar "violations" (on what grounds, I haven't
>the foggiest).
>
>Bill


Plant Amnesty also has another serious purpose.  They are against tree
topping, under any circumstances.  In most cases, I agree, but I do 
foresee some situations where that does eliminate a course of action.
Also, it can be embarassing if its your front lawn being joked about.
I'm just glad that "Welcome to Tombstone" front lawn wasn't mine.

Leslie Basel
From: reilley@studio.enet.dec.com (Tom Reilley)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: re: Heirloom fruit trees
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:59:08 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


    I'd like to publicly thank everyone who has responded here or
sent me e-mail regarding my query earlier this week. I've just been
too swamped with work to respond here & by e-mail to every individual.
I am still getting e-mails & postings every day so I will wait
another week or so and then summarize everything here, which
most of you had asked me to do.
    In the meantime I just wanted to say I got your messages
and I greatly appreciate all the information! Thank you !!!

Regards,

Tom

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Northboro, MA 01532-2595 USA
From: CCDH001@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Tomatillo problem
Date: 24 Aug 92 14:34:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

A couple of weeks ago a friend gave me a tomatillo plant which was in good
health and even had one little fruit.  The next day I planted it in my
garden and have been watering it fairly regularly (daily for a week and
then as needed).  The problem is that almost all of the plant's leaves
have turned yellow.  The new growth is green but there isn't much of that.
 
As it seems to be with all plants my tomatillo is getting too much or too
little of something.  My question is which of what?  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks.
 
                                       <@>
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Scientific/Common Names: 2 cultures (was Dolphin violet)
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:40:21 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
.  Unfortunately, common names accumulate quickly-- growers
> invent a new name because they think it might sell better, or they
> invent one on the spot 'cause they can't remember the real name :-(

Quick story from my visit to Edinburgh Botanical Garden (*MARVELOUS
PLACE!*  5 stars!):  Mark and I were contorting ourselves to take
pictures of some of the carnivorous plant collections kept behind glass,
and of course, we were rattling along discussing them with the proper
scientific names... A woman came up behind and offered to unlock the
glass and slide the panels back so we could get better photos, then said,
"You sound like Americans, but Americans never know any proper names!"...

And it's true.  Even the apparently most poorly educated Brits talked
about their Catharanthus and Pelargoniums, not vinca and geraniums...

Kay
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French)
Subject: Raising PH
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:03:09 GMT

Our local tap water in Palo Alto has a PH of around 5.5.  This wreaks
havoc with my hydroponic gardening, since the PH decreases rapidly as
the nutrient solution is used up.  I've tried adding lime to the
solution, but it tends to settle out and clog up the pump.  I've also
tried General Hydroponics' "PH Up", but even a full quart in my 35
gal. tank doesn't have a noticeable effect.  Does anyone have any
better suggestions?  Perhaps some chemical I could buy from a chemical
supply house that would be cheaper than $10/qt for PH Up (and a lot
stronger).

		Rob
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: yellowjackets
Followup-To: rec.gardens
Summary: transparent bowls?
Organization: out in linguistics, ohio state, stanford,...
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:19:05 GMT

yet another pest story.  this time, it's a yellowjacket nest.  there
was thiis hole in the vinca alongside our front walk, and we thought
it was just a chipmunk hole (which it might have been, at the
beginning).  but then on saturday jacques noticed that it was now a
*huge* hole and that yellowjackets were flying in and out of it.
yesterday one stung him.

this was the third time in 23 years, never in the same place or even
close.  so i knew the drill.  after dark last night i went out armed
with a flashlight and the poison spray and nuked the nest.

when i returned to my keyboard there was a message from a friend
in portland, oregon, saying that yellowjackets had been extensively
discussed on pnw.general, where several people recommended covering
the entrance to the nest with a clear (transparent) bowl.  the
claim was that the yellowjackets would dig their way out around
a covering that blocked the light, but didn't have the right neuronal
connections to cope with a cover that let in the light.

has anyone here tried this?  it's too late for me on this go-round,
but i expect that the nasty creatures will pop up somewhere
else in our lawn and garden in a few years, so it would be good
to be prepared.  the wasp/hornet spray and round-up are now the
only poisons we use, and we'd be happy to cross one more off the
list.

now to fill in the hole...

arnold (who swears he doesn't have more pests than other people;
  he's just more willing to talk about them in public)
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Subject: Re: climbing hydrangea
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:44:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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The climbing hydrangia clings with little rootlets that harden like
ivy. The books (and my experience) say  that it will not damage sound
structures (so if the morter is crumbling, it might damage it). It
seems less destructive than ivy in that it does not come through
holes in walls.
It is slow growing in the first two years; it is easily propigated
from cuttings.  It looses its leaves in the winter but in the summer
has glossy green leaves and lovely white scent-less flowers, a bit
like a flat hydrangia.  It can grow on the North side of a building
(in North American) and so is one of the few climbers that grows in shade.
It can be pruned like normal plants. It is not fussy as far as soil
conditions. 
It is a good little plant, not spectacular, not invasive.  I used it
as a structure for other climbers (eg, clematis, nastursham,) and it
did its work well there too.


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Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand

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From: HF.SXM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sara MacGilvra)
Subject: Willow Water Recipe for Root Cuttings
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:44:52 GMT


Willow Water Recipe for Rose Root Cuttings

In the letter to the editor of the lastest edition of Smithsonian ,
(Sept. '92)  there is a quote from William C. Welch's book _Antique
Roses for the South_ for willow water, which is mean't to be good
for rose root cuttings.

Anyway here it is

"Take one inch cuts from willow branches , splitting them and
soaking them in water, preferably "rain water" brought to a rolling
boil, then steeping them overnight.  Remove willow, soak rose
cuttings in the solution again overnight.  The willow water may be
used for initial waterings of cuttings and for starting cuttings
from other plants."

Happy soaking!
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From: grimjack@milton.u.washington.edu (Leslie Basel)
Subject: Re: willow water for roses
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150328.23704@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>but the question is whether salicylic acid, whatever its source,
>really works.
>


I tried it once, with a non-aspirin rose control.  Without the
aspirin, one rose lasted two days.  With the aspirin, one rose
lasted for 5 to 6 days.

I dependably use at least one aspirin on Valentine's Day B-).

Leslie Basel

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: cak@citi.umich.edu (Carol A. Kamm)
Subject: Hydrangea not thriving
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:16:47 EDT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Integration, University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: cak@citi.umich.edu

My first posting didn't seem to make it so I'm trying again.  Apologies if
you've seen this already.

I have two Hydrangea (Annabelle variety).  The pictures I've seen of these
always show huge white "snowball" flower clusters.  Mine, on the other hand,
form flower clusters that bloom one flowerlet at a time.  The flowerlets are
greenish, too.  I know that pH can affect flower color, but does it also 
affect whether all the flowerets bloom at once, forming the snowball?

One plant is at least 5' tall and wide, with northwest exposure.  The
other has northeast exposure and is about 2-3' tall/wide.  Both have
been in their locations at least 5 years, and they've "bloomed" like 
this forever.  

Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated.  Please email responses - I
don't always get to read netnews.

Thanks in advance.
From: Doug.Hemken@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Doug Hemken)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: modern tomatoes
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:03:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Sep4.210301.18407
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


I *like* those pink tennis balls they sell for tomatoes at the
supermarket!  I'm an avid backpacker who likes to carry along fresh
vegetables for shorter (3-4 day) trips.  As far as I'm concerned, one of
the miracles of modern agriculture is the tomato that can be dropped into
the bottom of my backpack, bounced over hill and dale for several days,
and emerges without a blemish or a crack.  It's the perfect backpacking
tomato!

-=> Doug Hemken (who is raising ten varieties of tomatoes this year, for
those occassions when he isn't backpacking)

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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Sensitive plants (??)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:04:15 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Jim Bishop quotes from Sunset:
> "Mimosa pudica.  Sensitive plant.  Tender perennial usually grown as
> houseplant curiosity.  ....  Their only use is to demonstrate movement 
>  in plants; childern find them fascinating."
> 
> Gee, I must be a child I find them fascinating and cute.

And so must every other  person I've ever shown them to-- ages 1 to 97.
One of my favorite lecture demonstrations in a big lecture hall is to
pick up a pot of sensitive plant and bang it down on the desk.  The 
whole thing collapses instantly.  Then the students all ears when
I want to talk about water movement in plants...

Kay
From: ecologycntr@igc.apc.org (Ecology Center Fund)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: flourescent lights for growing
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:31:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1791m0INN1k3@moe.ksu.ksu.edu:-319177120:cdp:1453300081:000:746
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Aug 26 18:31:00 1992


Paul brings up an important point.

Our local hydroponics supplier, here in Berkeley, was closed down after
the Drug Enforcement Administration fought it for access to its mailing
list. Seems the DEA had decided that ANY person who bought gro-lites
was worthy of suspicion as a pot grower.

I sent many orchid enthusiasts there for their equipment. Seems to me
even someone as dumb as your average DEA agent would figure out that
a lighting assembly with a maximum height of 2.5 feet would not be used
to grow Cannabis, unless the grower was a bonsai artist in training.

Spend a lot of money on lighting, you better pay cash, because you
might find your Darlingtonias being unpotted by drug-sniffing dogs
if you give the store your name.

chris
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Subject: The world of the tiny
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:58:58 GMT

     In my yard I stop and look at the tiny.  Very beautiful if you stop
and consider (as you squint...if you're 44 like me and wear bifocals)
the clammy waxweed, the indian tobacco, the tickseeds, soon the blue curls.
In fact, I recently ran across one plant that has little blue flowers that
is blooming now, and which has flowers so tiny I almost can't make them
out.  The plant would remind me of thyme, if I knew what time looked like.
I believe it has flowers shaped almost like the typical lobelia (three
lobes at the bottom of the flower) but are at most 3/32 of an inch across.
     Please identify this if you can, but I would rather see mention
by you of any plants I may yet spot out there blooming at this time of
year or soon that are truly miniscule.
     Thanks.
Vince
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu
From: macduff@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: What to Do with Japapenos?
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:44:33 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

G'day
	This year I tried growing Jalapenos peppers for the first time. I was
told that they were both hard to find and hard to grow. I grew them two plants
to a 12" pot on my patio and I think I'm going to have a Bumper crop. 
	Now the hard part. How can I pickle these peppers or make them keep
for as long as possible? The other question is can I bring these plants indoors
and keep producing peppers all winter?

			The ever present "Thanks in advance"
					Thomas


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From: mejh@epx.cis.umn.edu (Michael E. Hedman)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Compostable flowers
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:35:47 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I have read that certain kinds of tree leaves are not good to compost
due to various toxins that they may contain. Are there some garden
flowers which are not good for compost? In particular, our small flower
garden contains marigolds, snap dragons, iris's, petunias, silver lace,
moss rose, gladiolas, anenomie, verbena, and gailardia.
(Please forgive any spelling mistakes :-)
From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Spider Type?
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:12:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.gardens
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory


     In my garden...on my driveway...up the side of my house are spiders
that look like Daddy-Longlegs, but instead of the little round body in
the middle is an ovoid about two or two and a half times as large, but
with the same legs.  Another kind of DLl?  or another type spider?

Vince
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu
From: zoe@cypress.West.Sun.COM (Zoe Friedlander)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Advice sought re: transplanting a kumquat tree
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:36:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sunsoft, A Division of Sun Microsystems Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparkle
Originator: zoe@sparkle.West.Sun.COM

I have a healthy, mature kumquat tree (I don't know its exact age,
but it's 10 or 11 feet tall I'd say) that I don't want, because I
don't like kumquats and I need the space in my yard.  I know
someone who would like to plant it in his yard.  My gardener
will dig it up, and then this guy will replant it.  

Does anyone have advice for how to get an optimum result?  The guy who wants
it said summer is not the best time of the year for the transplant,
but if it has a good chance of survival I'd like to go ahead and
get rid of it.  (If this will kill it, then I'll wait; I'm not
a murderess!)  Should we do it at some particular time of day?
Should we prune it a week before the transplant?

Thanks very much for your time.

Zoe
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: white pumpkin leaves - why?
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:11:38 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I'm growing pumpkins and some of the leaves have turned white.   What is this
and why is it happening?   The zucchini (who lives right beside the pumpkin
patch) is also affected, though not nearly as much as the pumpkin leaves.
Info?  Advice?

Thanks for your help!


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From: h66@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (david.b.ramsden)
Subject: yellow scale on azaleas
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:28:51 GMT

My azaleas have developed a yellow scale-like covering on their
leaves.  Anyone know what this is and how to treat it?

Thanks,

Dave Ramsden

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