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From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:23:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5222
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article (Holly Silva) writes: >

>	The Algonquin Roundtable, Arthur Miller, Tennessee Williams,
>Nora Zeal Thurston, Eugene O'Neill, Isadora Duncan, early Hollywood,
>Cole Porter, Edgar Allan Poe and Faulkner, Mark Twain, the Arts and 
>Crafts movement, Thomas Paine's Common Sense, Desiderata, the 
>Declaration of Independence, Poor Richard's Almanac, Duke 
>Ellington, Fats Waller, Billie Holiday, Vladmir Nabokov (did 
>much of his most creative work here, in english), the Shakers, 
>the Plain Folk, Marcuse, Dick Feynmann, Martin Luther King.......
>

Excellent.  Also, people like Fred should keep in mind the culture is much
more than books you're forced to read in High School and historical dead
people.  Such things are meters, or indicators, of the state of a
country's culture, and help to form it, but are not the end-all-be-all
thereof.  

How people relate to one another, what is and is not acceptable, what is
considered loving or friendly or rude or abnormal, all comprise 'the
culture' of any given place.

--
Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

  "Welcome to All Things Scottish...If it's not Scottish, It's *CRAP*!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Woops: Re: States of U.S.A.
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:54:52 GMT

In article <frank2.24@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
> Yesterday I posted a response to the original query, thinking for some 
> reason that the USA really had 52 states. I have since been unable to find 
> any reference that supports this - so I can only conclude that I was 
> embarrasingly incorrect. 

On the other hand, perhaps there will be 52 states in the not too distant
future.  Washington DC and Puerto Rico have long been bandied about as
possible candidates for statehood; other American territories such as
Guam and the US Virgin Islands are possibilities, as well.

Any bets on if and when DC and PR become states?

-- 
/\     It's not denial.  I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.elections,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pres Bush is Coming to Penn State
Keywords: cum
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:46:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BvF0ox.9BA
Organization: Organization

In article <92273.161738FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>Fred Rozenblad writes:
>
>I have cums once a month. The chem dept here offers 4 cums every month and
>the grad cmte suggests their grad students try to take one a month. I have
>2 years to pass 6 exams. That works out to be 6 cums passed in 2 years.
>I think I can do that :-)


  Probably, after all many men can cum more than once per day, so
6 times in 2 years should be no problem at all.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:04:24 GMT

harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak) writes:
|> How people relate to one another, what is and is not acceptable, what is
|> considered loving or friendly or rude or abnormal, all comprise 'the
|> culture' of any given place.

Precisely.  And it's that distinction I was trying to make yesterday,
albeit obliquely.

That the U.S. has *a* culture is trivially true, since any reasonably
coherent society has a culture whether it likes it or not.  This part of
the definition is reflected in Zak's paragraph.  And it's this, "the U.S.
culture", that forms the majority of the material in this newsgroup.

It's the other meaning of the word, culture in the sense of white-male-art-
and-esthetics-European-style, that gives the superficial such an
opportunity to poke fun.  On Usenet, those activities find their home in
other newsgroups.

Personally, I like to subdivide further and distinguish some admittedly
overlapping groups:

(1) Creative contributions made in the European tradition (Poe, Barber,
    Pei...)
(2) Extensions to (1) that have a distinctively New-World voice (Emerson,
    Copland, Buckminster Fuller...)
(3) Arts essentialy defined in the U.S. (jazz, film...)
(4) Cultural expressions (all the museums, halls, theaters and opera houses)

and finally the places where Culture and The Culture overlap, in particular
in the tradition of cultural philanthropy.

The problem lies with Popular Culture.  Since the loudest voice in the U.S.
hails from Madison Avenue, we and everyone else sometimes think that the
only things the U.S. has to offer the world are hamburgers and soap opera.
There is an anti-intellectual movement on the loose, to be sure, but I
think the U.S. is not alone in that regard.

And look: I've managed to write all that without once saying "America" or
"American"...

Finally, I'd like to thank Holly for some wonderful examples to add to my
standard tirade on the subject.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
115 more days of Bush Presidency!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: America has culture?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:11:49 GMT

In article <jyc.717632423@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

>   As an American, I would like publicly hereby to disown Desiderata.  



	Why?


--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenhei
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:54:24 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1485@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
><137315@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
>Sender: 
>Reply-To: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <137315@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>>In article <1473@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
>(Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
>>>        Our coins should have their numerical value
>>>        stated, IN NUMERALS, on them:  a dime, for instance
>>>        contains no visual clue that it is worth 10 cents
>>>        except for the words "one dime"; the same is true
>>>        for the nickel ("one nickel" not 5 cents or a "5")
>>>        penny, quarter, etc.
>>
>>It's true about the dime, but not about the other coins -- at least,
>>not exactly.  Here's what they say:
>
>        That'll teach me for commenting without evidence (I truly
>        was out  of cash that day!)
>
>        BUT...and you knew it was coming, didn't you?!  ;)
>
>>  Ed says: However, if one knew only very
>>basic English (and also knew that there are 100 cents in a dollar)
>>than he or she could figure out the value of the penny, nickel, and
>>quarter very easily.  
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>        I do not believe this:  look at the point size of the "five
>        cents" slogan!!!!
>
>        It was, anyway, just a comment passed on by some of my
>        foreign friends.  They find it difficult...
>
>        But, hey, this user-friendly/self-evidency thing can be
>        carried just too damn far, right?!  : >    
>
>        Elizabeth
>    

Well, I know how they feel.  I was in Victoria Station in London some years
ago trying to buy a ticket from the vending machine.  The British shilling
coin says only "1 Shilling".  What in the world is a shilling and how many
pence/pounds is it?  Fortunately a friendly passerby heard me ask this
question of my companions and set us straight (though I've forgotten the
answer).


===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

===============================================================================
"If an aging America ever begins to lose its short-term memory, it will really
 be in trouble - because that's the only kind of memory this country seems to
 have.  There's a perpetual tendency to believe that whatever is going on at
 this particular moment is absolutely unique in human history, but will,
 paradoxically, continue now into the indefinite future.  Both assumptions are
 certain to be wrong, but meanwhile they have sent a passel of chickens
 scuttling hysterically around the U.S. barnyard."
  
                                                  Louis Rukeyser - 1992

===============================================================================
From: dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenhei
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:40:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: penge.DBROOKS.92Sep29184010
	<1485@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> <1992Sep29.125424.9210@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Organization: Open Software Foundation

crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes:
> The British shilling
> coin says only "1 Shilling".  What in the world is a shilling and how many
> pence/pounds is it?

Oooh, I know this one, I know this one!

It's three groats.
--
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Four more months!  Four more months!
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenhei
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:18:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <DBROOKS.92Sep29184010@penge.osf.org> dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes:
>> The British shilling
>> coin says only "1 Shilling".  What in the world is a shilling and how many
>> pence/pounds is it?
>
>Oooh, I know this one, I know this one!
>
>It's three groats.

But if it were metric it couldn't be three anything.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto)
Subject: Re: Currencies...
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:21:07 GMT


>First of all, if there is an appropriate forum for discussing currency
>exchange, could someone direct me to it??

Try rec.travel

>I am a Canadian, working in Japan, and planning to travel in Asia next year
>with American currency...  I am wondering what would be the best plan:
>1.  Hold onto my yen, (which is now at an alltime high) and hope it gets
>    even stronger.
>2.  Convert to Canadian dollars (which is VERY low right now) and sometime
>    before travelling (next May) buy American travellers checks.
>3.  Buy American dollars now, and hold them until next year.
>What with the economic and political uncertainty in Canada and the US, I
>have been leaning towards option #1.  However, I am wondering if I ought
>to be taking advantage of the strong yen, and converting to other currencies
>now.  I would appreciate some net wisdom!

I was in the same position in the UK several years ago, when the UK pound
was dropping like a rock against the US dollar. I had dollars which could
have been converted. However, I chickened out, and did not benefit from
the subsequent recovery of the pound. 

If you can afford to make a loss, go ahead, otherwise play safe.

>Do any Canadians want to predict what the Oct. 26 referendum is doing and
>will do to the CA$??

Current polls suggest that the referendum results will be NO in Quebec and
British Columbia.

I don't know what it will do, but it's scaring a lot of people at the
moment. Mortgage rates are up!
 
>Jamie

>jamie@nanko.digital.co.jp


:wq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: rz@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Richard Zach)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Reply-To: zach@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universit"at Wien
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:05:08 GMT

In article <22577@galaxy.ucr.edu>, starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (starbuck) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.101050.11573@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> 
|> -No it is not. It is rooted in the fact that we have seen how
|> -nationalism has contributed to wars, death, imperialistic
|> -conquest, suppression of minorities, racism and many other evils.
|> -Nationalism of the sort which Americans find natural and
|> -unexceptional is in Europe regarded as the height of bad
|> -manners, boorish and dangerous.
|> -
|> -Matthew Huntbach
|> 
|> It might be of benifit to you to read some European history.  I would start
|> with the histroy of Britian in India, then perhaps the history of Germany.
|> If you want examples of racism, suppression of minorities, mperialistic 
|> conquest, war, and many other evils you'll find them all in your own history.
|> 
|> starbuck

I think that was exactly the point Matthew was trying to make:
Europe *has* seen what it leads to and that is why it is *now*
regarded as "the height of bad manners, boorish and dangerous."


-- 
Richard Zach                      [zach@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at]
Technische Universitaet Wien, Institut fuer Computersprachen
Resselgasse 3/185.2,     A-1040 Vienna,       Austria/Europe
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Indian Territory (was States)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:33:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


I was reading a Census Bureau publication of about 1902 and it gave
statistics for all the states and also for "Indian Territory".  Where
was Indian Territory in 1902?  (Or maybe earlier; the data were gathered
in connection with the 1900 census, I believe)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Role Of Jewish Media In Shaping Our Politics
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:57:37 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Oct1.041504.5071@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>
>Hey, shouldn't it be "Zionist Media"? OOOPS!
>
>And what's happening here anyway? Schmidling posted nearly the same thing
>some time ago. Shame on you, Arfie!
>
>If Bush manages to win with these guys on his side it would certainly
>be his greatest achievment :-)!


Most amazing.  I have not even read scj for several weeks much less
posted anything and the first posting I read is Keren trashing me again.

Next I expect to sill Shimof's silly list.

I posted an article that drew attention to the fact that almost the entire
Clinton campaign staff is or was employed by AIPAC at one time or another.
I also pointed out that the real serious bush bashing and economic woes
of the coutry coincide with his press conference wherein he trashed
AIPAC and you now see the results of their vengence.  Pretty frightening
I would say.  It would seem that he would get more support trashing
AIPAC again insted of his pathetic pandering.

js
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Role Of Jewish Media In Shaping Our Politics
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:22:03 GMT

In article <5275@sumax.seattleu.edu> sharrow@sumax.seattleu.edu (M. J. Sharrow) writes:

>
>    My concern is that 3% or so of the Jews in our country are controlling
>    90% or more of the financial and media resources. With this much one
>    sided control the current status is totally comprehendible.

Hey!  You forgot to mention Jewish control of Congress, _both_
political parties, USENET, the International Chess Federation,
higher education, the legal profession, medicine, and even
<gasp, ackkk?> the environmentalists.  (After all, if we save the
trees, the price of paper goes up, and the Jewish-controlled print
media raise their prices on print-media, thus making even more money
to give to the Zionist Occupation Government, while driving the cost of
the Protocols so high that true Americans can't afford it any more.)

>
>
>    If you are tired of "learning"  about  American foreign policy from what
>    is effectively, Israeli controlled  media,  I  highly recommend checking
>    out the Washington Report. A free  sample  copy  is available by calling
>    the American Education Trust at:
>
>                                 (800) 368 5788

But watch out.  The cost of the 800 call is paid to the Jewish-controlled
phone companies.  Unconfirmed reports have suggested that the American
Educational Trust is a Jewish front organization that blacklists its
subscribers so they can't get jobs in the Jewish-controlled-everything.




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Inches, Ounces, Fahrenheit, and Drab Looking Money
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:09:39 GMT

In article <20637@drutx.ATT.COM> rnt@druwa.ATT.COM (Bob Thomas) writes:

>By the way, why are all U.S. currency notes the same ugly
>green color?  Don't get me wrong, I'll keep the bills I
>have.

A better question is why all the bills have boring politicians on them.
I guess that is marginally better than The Queen, and Ben Franklin is
more than just a boring politician.  Still, in Germany they have Gauss
on the 10 DM bill.  This is something a mathematician can appreciate.


-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: The Role Of Jewish Lobby In Shaping Our Politics
Organization: The World
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:32:28 GMT


Does it ever occur to people like MJS that one reason the US supports
Israel is because it is the birthplace of Christ?

Ask Billy Graham, who seems to have every recent US President's ear,
what he thinks about US support for Israel.

You might also consider Europe's involvement in the region since, oh,
Pope Urban launched the first Crusade in 1095.

I suppose the Pope, Richard I, and all the others were, and always
have been, under the malevolent control of the joooos.

--
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
From: jb00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSE ANTONIO BASTO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Cold Blood-The Massacre of E. Timor: DISC Channel 5:00PM(EST)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:35:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The documentarie "COLD BLOOD - THE MASSACRE OF EAST TIMOR", from Yorkshire  TV
(GB) is to be showed today for the first time in USA.

If you have cable TV, get "The Discovery Channel" at 5:00 PM today (Saturday)
or 2:00 AM tomorrow (Sunday).

This is a independent view of the struggle of East Timor people against his
powerful neighbor Indonesia, that had cost 1/3 of its population (> 200 000
deaths) in 16 years of occupation.

See with your own eyes the way the resistance lives in the jungle,
the last words ofindependence fighters recorded (some of then had been shoot
at the 12 November massacre), the peaceful demonstration and the cruel
violence of the Indonesian army on assassinating the East Timorese
demonstrators.

Jose' Basto
-- 
Jose' Barros BASTO; Address:11,Duh Dr Apt 222; BETHLEHEM, PA 18015-3732
Phone :(215)758-1846; Office:(215)758-4640;  FAX:(215)758-4886   U.S.A.
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: The Role Of The Jewish Lobby In Shaping Our Politics
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:45:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: mydog in exile

brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
|                            ...  During that time, I heard many times that
| the best outcome for us would have been for the last Iraqi to kill the last
| Iranian.  It's time to grow up.  ...

It sure is.

-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Subject: Re: Role Of Jewish Media In Shaping Our Politics
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:59:58 GMT


In article <5275@sumax.seattleu.edu>, sharrow@sumax.seattleu.edu (M. J. Sharrow) writes:
|>
|>Honouring the numerous requests for sending my original article on this
|>topic, I am posting it once again as it is not possible for me to post it
|>to all the requestors.
|>
			Lots deleted in the middle.
|>
|>    You can also tune in to the Amateur  Radio Forum (ARF) Sunday evening at
|>    9:PM Chicago time, 3950 KHZ, LSB.
|>

Please consider this just one of numerous other requestes to please keep your
one-sided half-truths, and pure BS off of s.c.j. I, personally, and IMHO just
do not want to see it.

--
________________________________________________________________________
|            Ben Pashkoff                 BEN@VMSA.TECHNION.AC.IL      |
|                                                                      |
| "There is nothing better for the body than silence." Pirke Avot 1:17 |
|______________________________________________________________________|
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Cop
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:48:30 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

I think "cop" is from the Latin _capere_, to take.  When
you _cop_ something you take it.  And we know the repute
of the minions of the law.

Oh, just errant criminals, is it?
-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )