From: nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: PV equation
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:59:47 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <2w0DuB4w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.org (Bill Hardman) writes:
>gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr) writes:
>
>> In article <goD5TB2w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org> hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.o
>> 
>> > To excuse you lack of education in the location of a mis-
>> > understood word, you have to have the person having the comprehension
>> > trouble in front of you.  It doesn't work over the net.  If he wants
>> > the service for free, find someone local, that is trained and certified
>> > to do it.  If his plea is valid, and he does want to discover the mis-
>> > understood words, he could e-mail me his phone number, and I would
>> > schedule him for an appointment.  Of course, to make it worth my
>> > time, I would have to charge a standard industry rate, as I am a
>> > certified social worker with a degree.
>> 
>> Bill, we are not discussing a "misunderstood word" -- we are discussing
>> the correct application of an equation that appear in one of the
>> most basic books on Scientology and Dianetics.

>You missed the comment to which you were replying to Gisle.  Richard
>asked me to help him define his words, and I said "it's not worth my
>time", and you said I bailed out of the discussion.  Are we up to
>speed on how we got to this place?

	That about sums it up, Bill.  I asked a question 
and you bailed out.  What's your point?



>> But, I understand your reply to mean that you have a good
>> understanding of the PV equation, and would be willing to help others
>> learning about it if it could be made worth your your time.  I think
>> that that could be arranged in some sporting fashion.  In short, I
>> have a bet to offer you:
>[bet specifics deleted to save bandwidth]

Read: bet specifics deleted to save face!

>> Do we have a bet?

>Due to time constraints, I won't be able to put that together during
>this week.  It would be easier for you (as well as cheaper) to go
>into an org, and take the Dianetics Course.

	Why not, it's supposed to be simple, you said so yourself
here, here's _exactly_ what you said after I asked if someone could
e-mail me some relevant data:


   "	Why, it's simple to do.  I have observed over 500 people
    with a simple high school education work the equation to their
    complete understanding.  The only help they required was making sure
    that they fully understood the words used."

this passage was taken from article "<qToPTB1w165w@throb.mcws.fidonet.org>
hardman@throb.mcws.fidonet.org (Bill Hardman)" was it not?  You said it!
you said that you had observed over FIVE HUNDRED people use the equation.
And all of these people had less education than you claim to have
("statistical engineer"(?), "research analyst" and of course "certified 
social worker with a degree")!

	In short, it sounds to me like it would be a sucker bet in your 
favour, Bill!  The "not enough time" argument doesn't cut it in this
case, as you should be able to finish up a report in as much time as it
takes for you to respond to any other post.  Unless, of course, you 
were lying about the five hundered people, and you actually have just
realised that the PV equation is a turkey!

	
>> > I have noticed in your posts that you have a poor control
>> > over your psychotic delusions in a discussion, and have a compulsive
>> > habit of attempting to belittle the opposing viewpoint.  

	Holy, look who's talking!  Mr. Bill "Why would I want to improve 
Arc with the likes of you" Hardman!!!

>> > 								When did
>> > you first feel that you had to exert this force over an imagined
>> > enemy?  Your particular neurosis has always facinated me, and for
>> > you, I will handle your case over the net.  I will not use
>> > Scientology, but routine psychological evaluations and practices.
>> > The first hour is on me.

>> Hmmm... It sounds like you are starting to become angry.  I appreciate
>> that... shows that you care.

>No, actually I saw an individual in serious trouble and my fist
>instict is to use my resources to help in a manner that would be
>accepted, since I'm sure that Dianetic processing wouldn't.

	Hmmm.  I thought Dianetic processing was an infallible
cure-all!!!


>Bill Hardman
>If you don't have anything nice to say....Say something Rude!!!!

	And he's a "certified social worker with a degree" yet!  
	How compassionate!


Richard Nistuk
nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca




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