HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:28:59 GMT
Reply-To: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gethsemane.ebay.sun.com


>   * I've been training for a number of years now, and I'm very happy with my size
>   * and shape. However, my body-fat has always remained between 11-14%. How do I
>   * go about bringing it down into single figures (4-7%) ? Lots of aerobics ? What
>   * about my diet ? Do I need any supplements ? Do I lay off the weights ? What
>   * sort of time-scales am I looking at ? etc. etc.
    >
    >   A question to answer your question:
    >
    >  If you are very happy with your size and shape,
    >  why do you care about reducing your body fat from
    >  a healthy 11-14% down to a possibly unhealthy 4-7%?


    My response to anyone who wants to drop down to 4-7% bodyfat is: GO
FOR IT !!!  Think about it. If you were to grab a hand full of the fat
around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
not cushioning any muscle tissue nor is it providing cushion protection
for the joints in your body from that location. It simply sits there and
does absolutely nothing for you. The mere fact that your body can have
enough excess fat to be able to grab denotes that you already have all
of the necesary fatty material in between the muscles and organs. The ex-
cess is excess. 
    I believe the reason why so many doctors and sports specialists seem to
think, and I highlight the word think, that low bodyfat percentages are some-
how dangerous is because almost everyone in America has anywhere from 10-20%
bodyfat on their bodies. This is the current norm and it may itself not
necesarily be the right norm. Personally, I'm down to around 7% bodyfat and
I fully intend to reduce myself further to only 5%.
    Most of the current bantor raging today concerning this topic is at best
opinion and assumption. As a matter of contention, current studies show that a
calorie restricted diet, which also means lowered fat intack, is the healthiest
way to go. Rats are shown to live five times longer than other rats not on
calorie restricted diets.


Dan S.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:20:04 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

A not to be named poster says:
>>DON'T PISS ME OFF!  Whew!  I hate when people get into this bullshit with me.
>>WAKE UP!  I know what I am talking about if you listen to what I'm saying.
>>Read between the lines.

There are two kinds of people on the net:
Those who know what they are talking about and
Those who want you to think they know what they are talking about
The difficult part is discerning between the two.

Just some comic relief.............
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:41:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Dec17.154812.15238@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.142844.3653@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>>In article <28663@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>> amongst the downside I can mention
>>  * since steroids are hormones your production of sperms reduce,
>>    and with enough time down to zip, so you get infertile, that
>>    is, your nucks shrink down to size.
>>  * you get an incremented sexual drive (like 10 times a day isn't enough)
>These two contradict.  I've heard the first claim predominates and
>some poeple lose their sex drives and abilities to perform.
>If you lose your sex drive you don't care about performing, though your girlfriend
>cares :-)


Actually, when someone uses Deca Durabolin, they generally lose their ability
to "get it up."  (This applies to just the guys.)  :-)  They do lose
interest too.  If you want to increase that sex drive, try some Anadrol-50.


This is something observable from my "study." <-- What a joke.

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:28:44 GMT

In article <28663@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:

>I have been reading the Supplements thread for a while now and there
>seems to be a case for steroids working to build mass, strength, etc.
>I have yet to see any of the downside of 'roid use mentioned. I'm no
>doctor and know diddley squat about the juice but.....could someone
>explain the downside......roid rage...kidney failure????

 amongst the downside I can mention
  * since steroids are hormones your production of sperms reduce,
    and with enough time down to zip, so you get infertile, that
    is, your nucks shrink down to size.
  * you get an incremented sexual drive (like 10 times a day isn't enough)
  * incremented anger or rage (especially in combination with alcoholics)
  * you lose hair, start a bald if you didn't have one already
  * you get pimples, especially on your back
  * your heart grows, which could be bad for you
 that's the downsides I know of...




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               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
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 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
From: jnachman@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: exercise machine: info please
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:11:14 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Does anyone have any personal experience with Firmflex(?), the Body by 
Jake exercise machine that sells for about $150 ?  A friend of mine is 
interested in buying one and using it primarily to strengthen his 
abdominals and back.  What do you think of it? 

Please send e-mail and I'll summarize responses here.

jnachman@guvax    jnachman@guvax.georgetown.edu
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: HELP! bodybuilding quest ions
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:06:00 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Simple question, may have been brought up before.

My right calf is considerably larger than my left. 
What should I do - do more sets of calf raises with my left leg OR do less sets
with my right leg.  I remember reading something by Arnold saying to DEcrease
the reps of the stronger.  I hope I read that wrong cause instinct tells me to
work the weaker one more.  So why am I posting???? I guess to get other peoples
opinions etc.

Same with my biseps, though there is no visible difference in size, I can
usually squeeze out at least two more reps of concentration curls with my LEFT
arm.  Being that there is no visible diff in size as of now, should I do
anything to even them out?  Right now I am doing forced reps on the weaker to
match the # of reps of the stronger. (forced reps meaning 'spotting' with my
other hand.)

What do you all think?
PLEASE email replys cause I don't read the net very often. I will post a
summary if I get some good replys.

Thanks in advance,
Rich-
Rachim_T1@Verifone.com
From: kbindner@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kenneth Bindner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Schwinn Airdyne
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:21:38 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA


                ADVICE ON SCHWINN AIRDYNE EXERCISE BIKE


I am considering the purchase of a SCHWINN AIRDYNE exercise bike and would
appreciate any advice or opinions on this bike. It is being purchased purely
for exercise...I am not a serious biker so this is not intended to be a
training device.

Hoping especially to hear from someone who owns an AIRDYNE.

Thanks.

                        Ken Bindner
                        Dayton,Ohio





-- 

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Max Heart Rate?
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:34:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.160144.11498@wam.umd.edu>, sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:

>>How does one figure out his/her maximum heart rate?
>Method 1:  220 - your age = max heart rate.  For aerobic improvement
>           exercise between 60 -85percent of the max ( ie .60xmax )

 I still suggest that "209 - 0.6 x your-age" fits better..




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               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
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 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:18:32 GMT

In article <1gqnubINN2c1@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule) writes:

>    My response to anyone who wants to drop down to 4-7% bodyfat is: GO
>FOR IT !!!  Think about it. If you were to grab a hand full of the fat
>around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
>not cushioning any muscle tissue nor is it providing cushion protection
>for the joints in your body from that location. It simply sits there and
>does absolutely nothing for you.

 the fat around your waist provides protection for your kidneys, not as
cushion, but as warmth..




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 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my OWN,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
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 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Tan for the winter
Reply-To: jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:04:26 GMT

Walter B. Kulecz, Ph.D writes:

- For me, the
- risk of skin cancer from tanning (bed or beach) is much smaller than what I
- take every day driving to work on the freeway, and I enjoy the beach a lot
- more than the freeway.

Okeedokee, but it's hard to believe how you've come about this
reasoning, other than wishful thinking.   50,000 people a year
die in their cars, half in alcohol related accidents.  Cancer,
on the other hand, is the second leading cause of death, and
skin cancer is not an insignificant part of that. (4th?)

Even assuming that skin cancer is somehow less of a risk than
driving, driving is, for most of us, something that cannot be
avoided.  Skin cancer can, and you've constructed an irrelevant 
argument.

(And besides, did having a tan somehow make you enjoy the beach more
than you would have if you had not had one, but *had* applied
sunscreen?  It really is okay to be vain; everyone is, after all,
about one thing or another, but it's folly to ignore the risks
involved.)

--
Jeff Baron
jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: olson@dg.UUCP (Tom Olson)
Subject: Interior Design Nutritionalists 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:12:40 GMT
Reply-To: olson@dg.UUCP (Tom Olson)
Organization: Data General

Has anyone ever heard of a company called 
Interior Design Nutritionalists?  It seems that
this company is based on the idea of network
marketing, so I would like to know if anyone has had
any experience with this company or has heard about
it from someone who has.  Thanks.

***********************************
*                                 *
*  Tom Olson   			  *
*  Data General Corporation       *
*  olson@etgn04.webo.dg.com       *
*				  *
***********************************
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Harley Myler <hrm@engr.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Pulse Monitors
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:20:43 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Central Florida
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:17:01 GMT

Pulse Monitors

I recently purchased a cheap ($20) monitor at Service Merchandise 
(jewelry, electronics "catalog" store) in the shape of a heart with 
an LCD readout and neck lanyard. It uses an IR sensor that you put
your finger over. Two modes, time and heart rate. A large button
puts it in heart rate mode and you get a continuous display with
a blinking heart symbol and beep with heart rate. It takes a few
seconds to register accurately. For twenty bucks you can't beat
it! <<--har har

I keep it hanging on my lifecycle's handlebars. I used to have a
heart rate watch (not a casio) that was a royal pain to use--
particularly while cycling!
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9082 alt.self-improve:785
From: denisl@bnr.ca (Denis Langlais)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:42:07 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Dec17.132820.5755@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
|> 
|> Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
|> interest in improving yourself.  Why?


I need to discipline myself further, especially in terms of
time management.
I need to improve my interactions with people.
In this world of increasing technical sophistication people are
training by taking technical courses.  My feeling is that to be
effective today at work and at home requires more people skills
than technical skills( 80%/20%)

In the past some people have posted excellent ideas in this newsgroup
that have changed my life.  I look forward to more good ideas and
also hope to post some of my own.

-- 
Denis Langlais    Internet:  denisl@bnr.ca 
BNR Ltd.         
My opinions are my own
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Calves
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:12:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.181229.5504
Organization: Western Washington University

tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren) writes:

> yes, the calf is very compact and doesn't easily get sore.

???  Different for everybody I suppose.    I can make my calves
sore just by ding ~100 calf raises w/o weight.   I cando lots
of leg extenions or squats w/o soreness.
Also unning makes my calves sore.
From: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Max Heart Rate?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:53:51 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Reply-To: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mad-dog.larc.nasa.gov

How does one figure out his/her maximum heart rate?
 Thanks,
    bando


Newsgroups: misc.misc,comp.misc,general,biz.misc,news.misc,junk
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Email to South Africa, & Austrailia
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:01:21 GMT

Jeremy Bettis <jbettis@cse.unl.edu> writes:

>Does anyone know of any place to get an account which is accessible from
>Capetown, South Africa - or- Sidney, Austrailia ???

How about Cape Town, South Africa and Sydney, Australia?

Please learn to spell while you are at University.

regards,

-PaulR.
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Mark-Jason Dominus)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: ?Sending SASE Canada to USA.
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:30:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
In-reply-to: stirling@ozrout.uucp's message of 11 Dec 92 15:59:29 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.155929.17444@ozrout.uucp> stirling@ozrout.uucp (Stirling Westrup) writes:
   >                      And also, if I need US postage
   >stamps, where in Montreal can I buy them?

   If you go to the post office, you can ask for, um, darn I've forgotten the
   name of it.  Its something like an 'International Mail Voucher' or
   something like that.

`International Reply Coupon'.  (IRC)

It costs about a dollar in my country, and probably about the same in
yours.  It gets a date stamped on it by the country of issuance, and you
can trade it in at any post office anywhere for a set of stamps
sufficient to send a letter-sized piece of mail from anywhere to
anywhere.

Take your self-addressed envelope, and buy an IRC.  Put both into a
stamped envelope and send them to your intended recipient.
--

	 The worst thing in the world is when records are destroyed
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: Quick Quiz!
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:45:48 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue) writes:
>What is the full name of Los Angelos?

I assume you mean Los Angeles?

This is what I remember: Nuestra Sen~ora la Reina de los Angeles. (I.e.
"Our Lady, the Queen of the Angels.) However, I have a strong feeling
that there was the name of a river in there somewhere, too; so my answer
is probably not complete.
-- 
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk
------------------------------- Why do they never serve pizza on airplanes?
Newsgroups: misc.misc,comp.misc,general,biz.misc,news.misc,junk
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Email to South Africa, & Austrailia
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.021239.4438@cs.cornell.edu> aswin@cs.cornell.edu (Aswin van den Berg) writes:
>paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) writes:
>
>>Jeremy Bettis <jbettis@cse.unl.edu> writes:
>
>>>Does anyone know of any place to get an account which is accessible from
>>>Capetown, South Africa - or- Sidney, Austrailia ???
>
>>How about Cape Town, South Africa and Sydney, Australia?
>
>>Please learn to spell while you are at University.
>
>Yess, pleese learn two spel welll. By the way, isn't it university with lower 
>case "u"? I don't really know because I'm just a foreigner.
>
>Pepel donet no what it is yore saying if you donet spel wright.
>
>With regard to Jeremy Bettis question I've got a simple answer. 
>As far as I know <jbettis@cse.unl.edu> should be accessible from South Africa, 
>Sydney and Australia.  I recieved e-mail from Cape Town without problems. 
>
>regartsss,
>
>Aswin

BTW, Aswin, as long as proper spelling and English usage has been brought 
into this thread, in your reply "..I've got a simple answer."

'got' is redundant - "...I have a simple answer." would have 
   been proper....B-)

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: ?Sending SASE Canada to USA.
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:58:17 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Dec11.184155.5544@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
>Now I'm confused.  When I send a letter to Canada, I go to a US Post
>Office and buy a US stamp made in the USA.  When someone in Canada
>or overseas sends me a letter, it's got whatever the local postage
>unit is on it (only a more expensive denomination).  At least I think
>it does.  I'm not sure how international mail delivery could work
>otherwise.  On the other hand, I haven't sent or received any inter-
>national mail recently.  Do I now need to put both Canadian and
>American stamps on letters to friends in Toronto?

International mail is a very complicated business, having been worked out
over the course of many decades.  No, you only need to put postage stamps
of the originating country on any letter or package.  Here's how it works:
Say you're sending a letter to Zaire from the US.  You put the appropriate
postage on the letter, in the form of US stamps.  The US postal service
gets all the revenue; the Zaire postal service gets none.  Why do they
deliver the letter, then?  Because the postage from a letter sent from
Zaire to the US goes entirely to Zaire.  As a first approximation, the
amount of mail flowing in the two directions are equal, so each country
gets the appropriate revenue.

To correct for differences in the two flows, the amount of mail in each
direction is weighed.  If, at the end of a certain period of time, the
amounts are not equal, then the country that originated more mail pays
compensation to the other country.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
Xref: sparky misc.misc:4095 misc.writing:3930
From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.writing
Subject: Re: Palindrome request: SUMMARY
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:52:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

lcc@po.CWRU.Edu (Lih C. Chen) writes:


>In a previous article, jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen) says:

>>Well, my request for palindromes has been answered!  Here is a summary
>>of all the ones that were posted to the net or sent to me via mail.
>>Many thanks to all who responded.
>>

>etc..deleted...

>maybe we should start a rec.palindrome??? (*

I believe alt.tla already serves this purpose.  (It started out as
a newsgroup for the TLA (Three Letter Acronym) list, and rapidly
got adopted for palindromes.  Or Vice-Versa.)  I don't know if it
still exists, I haven't read it in a long time.

-- 
		David Palmer		 palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.consumers
From: lroberts@bellahs.com (Laurence Roberts PSE)
Subject: Re: ?Sending SASE Canada to USA.
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:26 GMT

Because IRCs cost more to buy than you can redeem them for, you should
never cash them in.  Save them for the next time you need to send an IRC
to someone else.  Eventually, all cash will be converted into IRCs, and
we will have an international currency.

"I'd like a liter of milk"
"One IRC, please."

What happens when there's a postal rate increase?  I'm pretty sure that
old IRCs are still valid for a first-class postage at the new rate. That
may be part of why they cost more.

Larry-bob
lroberts@bellahs.com
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Quick Quiz Answer!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:10:09 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


Most of the replies I got were wrong answers, however, many were very
close (some left off the last description). This qualifies as the worlds 
shortest abbreviation for a town... being reduced to LA.


The question:
  What is the real name for Los Angeles?

The answer:
  El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula.

bill

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