HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin
Subject: Re: Warning: Imminent death of the net predicted
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:

>In article <1992Sep05.141405.994@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>In various messages, 
>>akt@dc.Clinton-Gore.org (Amit Thakur) writes:
>>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.clinton moderated
>>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.d
>>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated
>>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.house moderated
>>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated
>>
>>I believe this to be a very bad[tm] thing. While discussions of politics
>>are a norm on USENET, here we have an organized campaign which will be
>>utilizing the resources of USENET - both funded by the federal government
>>and private organizations/companies - to propagate announcements and
>>other campaign information.
>>
>>The poster indicates that a message discussing each of these groups was 
>>posted in ALT.CONFIG, but nothing was received here, nor were there any
>>apparent followups to the message, just "favorable e-mail".
>>
>>Comments?

>Are you sure the address isn't a joke?

>I would be surprised if the campaign folks didn't have that much common
>sense.

>It is certainly worth checking into. But are we sure that having and individual
>in the campaign starting newsgroups is a *bad* thing? It will still have
>net access/control, right?  I would think that these groups, as well as
>the Republican couterpart should be on the net *anyway*.  Agree?

I received mail on Compuserve from a similar account (on Compuserve) asking
me to broadcast info on Fidonet regarding how to access an email FTP
server via the Fido<->Internet gateways. Said server carrying Clinton
material.

Someone has discovered the nets.... 

-- 
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CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.planetary.science
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:53:15 GMT
    <1992Sep9.001946.3999@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> 
    <1992Sep9.011850.6144@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Distribution: na
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:

>>The consensus seems to be something like alt.sci.planetary
>>
>>Is this alright with everyone?

>Given that you proposed the group as sci.space.planets, why don't you
>create alt.sci.space.planets?

We have three groups under alt.sci.astro, though only the first has been 
active recently:

	alt.sci.astro.aips
	alt.sci.astro.figaro
	alt.sci.astro.fits

How about alt.sci.astro.planets?
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:08:38 GMT
Organization: Danish Trainspotter Society

arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:

>No one said anything.  Well, I think there were like 2 comments, one pro,
>one con.  Then I newgrouped.  

No one said anything?!?!?! We are in the middle of a long thread started
by your proposal. That can hardly be labelled as no respons.
-- 
I have things to do and News to read
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:56:08 CDT

In article 18437@eng.umd.edu, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
|In article <1992Sep7.015405.6145@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep05.143515.13901@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu 
|>(George B. Clark) writes:
|>>In article <1992Sep5.030623.18637@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp I wrote:
|>>>[Note: followup to alt.config only please.]
|>>>

WW==Wolfe Woodbury
GC==George Clark


WW>	Individuals are still allowed to make their own choices, despite
WW>     the AMA and the governments' attempts to limit their freedom.

GC> Yes, but this will change within a year, with respect to availability
GC> of herbs for medicinal purposes, when enforcement of new F.D.A. regulations
GC> begin.

Showing that there is a need now more than ever for an open discussion.

(Such laws apply only to those who are selling a product.  Everyone else
should be free to excercise 1st amendment rights.  The regulations
themselves have a good chance of being struck down by the courts.)

...

GC> However, on second thought, go ahead and form your newsgroup. But if
GC> you or anyone else asserts a health claim for an herbal medicine that is
GC> not supported by data, you won't get away with it. You will be exposed
GC> for what you are: a close-minded, misinformed, arrogant little ass.
...
GC> You're a real sucker. . . .


"Thy speech doeth betray thee."


---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       Old Sourdoughs never die.  They just ferment away.



Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: mass newgroups (was Re: alt.colleges proposal)
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:33:13 GMT

Wes Morgan writes:
>I really believe that mass creation of an entire hierarchy is an 
>EXTREMELY bad idea.

Jyrki, are you listening?  :)

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:20:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep09.014428.7703@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) whines:

>My last post was a diplomatic attempt to bring this argument to a close,
>but it is now clear that I am dealing with someone who insists on having the
>last word, and insists on doing so in the most inflammatory way. 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!  To paraphrase Carly Simon:

        "You're so vain, I'll bet you think this posting's about you"
        
You like to see your name in print.  *That's* what all of this BS is about.

>Perhaps your supervisor at Duke University can succeed where I have
>failed. Please e-mail to me his name and phone number. Even if you
>refuse, I can find out quick enough on my own, and I will do so if
>your conduct persists.

You do that you wimp.  Pussy.  Coward.  If you don't succeed in getting me
fired, you'll never be able to show your face around here again.  Little man.

>not what you are being paid to do. Keep it up, and you'll be history. 

You sound like a woman who can't control her own child.  "Keep it up and
I'll tell your father".  I'm shaking in my boots.

Suck my dick, asshole.
--
Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
news%wolves@cs.duke.edu     ...duke!wolves!news     "We don't need no
There is a real person who watches this account.   stinking disclaimers"
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:30:13
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
	<BuDv9u.3rE@nic.umass.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu's message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:17:53 GMT

I'm all for it here -- I've been thinking of starting an architecture
mailing list for some time.  If you do it, I will ask to have it
created at Sun.  May I suggest we also start
alt.binaries.pictures.architecture at the same time, since an
important means of communicating architectural ideas is through
drawings and photographs?

     |\/|\/|
     |  | ||\  /|
     |  | || \/||
|\  /|  | || | ||
| \/||  | || | ||  Randolph Fritz
| | ||  | || | ||  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph
| | ||  | || | ||  randolph@ebay.sun.com
| | ||  | || | ||  Mountain View, California, North America, Earth
| | ||  | || | ||
| | ||  | || | ||
|\| ||\/ \/|\| ||
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.030623.18637@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>There have been about 12 or thirteen requests in the past few months for
>a group to discuss herbalism -- the use of vegetable material for
>healing purposes.
>
>Barring any strong objection to the name or the subject matter, which
>should occur via posting to alt.config, I will issue a newgroup control
>message on Wednesday or Thursday, September 9th or 10th. (Well, maybe
>I'll wait until the 14th or 15th for more time. :-)

This is an excellent subject for a newsgroup. Many bbs's and thousands of
posts in newsgroups and conferences in other nets are devoted to this subject
regularly. It will have my full support. OK to gate it to FidoNet?
On the subject of another alt. newsgroup I would like to see started,
alt.sustainable.agriculture, which would gain support from users in 
rec.gardens, misc.rural, alt.co-evolution and probably bionet.plants,
could you get this one going as well?

Lawrence

lawrence.london@bbs.oit.unc.edu
larry@wolves.durham.nc.us
FidoNet: 1:151/502
         EARTH*Net BBS
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         1-919-932-3115

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   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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Xref: sparky alt.config:5569 news.admin:7507
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin
Subject: Re: Warning: Imminent death of the net predicted
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:09:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <1992Sep6.055517.28762@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
   knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) doodled:

> In article <1992Sep05.141405.994@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
> >In various messages, 
> >akt@dc.Clinton-Gore.org (Amit Thakur) writes:
> >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...
[stuff deleted]
...
> >Comments?
> 
> Are you sure the address isn't a joke?

From an MX enquiry I did:

; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> mx dc.Clinton-Gore.org
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 4
;; QUESTIONS:
;;      dc.Clinton-Gore.org, type = MX, class = IN

;; ANSWERS:
dc.Clinton-Gore.org.    172800  MX      200 relay1.UU.NET.
dc.Clinton-Gore.org.    172800  MX      200 relay2.UU.NET.

So at least UUNET believes that they are real. :)

I must admit, when I first saw the message, I thought it was a hoax as
well, so it seems that at least one of the US parties knows what a
network is. 

- Chris
-- 
 Christopher Samuel, c/o Computer Unit, UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
  RFC: ccs@aber.ac.uk   UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs   JNT: ccs@uk.ac.aber
         Deddf Iaith Newydd am Cymru | New Language Act for Wales
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.politics.clinton
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.politics.democrats groups
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<mjenkins.715898488@cunews>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:31:56 GMT

Michael> == Michael Jenkinson <mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca> 

 Michael> And where are the equivalent republican groups? :)

% whois bush-quayle.org
No match for "BUSH-QUAYLE.ORG".
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Xref: sparky alt.config:5495 news.admin:7468
From: pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle)
Subject: Re: Warning: Imminent death of the net predicted
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Distribution: usa
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:23:35 GMT

kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>In various messages, 
>akt@dc.Clinton-Gore.org (Amit Thakur) writes:
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.clinton moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.d
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.house moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated

>I believe this to be a very bad[tm] thing. While discussions of politics
>are a norm on USENET, here we have an organized campaign which will be
>utilizing the resources of USENET - both funded by the federal government
>and private organizations/companies - to propagate announcements and
>other campaign information.
>The poster indicates that a message discussing each of these groups was 
>posted in ALT.CONFIG, but nothing was received here, nor were there any
>apparent followups to the message, just "favorable e-mail".
>Comments?

Well, bear in mind that the alt. hierarchy is only loosely part of
USENET.. so it may lead to more sites refusing to propagate the alt.
groups, or perhaps just these particular groups.

--

Paul Fritschle                                         pfritsch@skid.PS.UCI.EDU
                             Cthulhu '92
                        'The Stars are Right!'
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Newsgroup proposal: alt.amateur-computerist
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:59:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <mike02486920805212912@batpad.lgb.ca.us> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) writes:
|ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) writes:
|> Because of a helpful email response that pointed out that with the 
|> - the name was too long for his machine -
|> 
|> we are suggesting that the name be instead
|>               alt.amateur.computerist
|
|That's too long for my machine.  I am running MSDOS.
|
|Eight characters, plus a three character extension please.

That's too long for my machine.  I am running TOPS-10.

Six characters, please.  My news software doesn't use the extension.

  Bill
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: More Clueless Newbies
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:00:54 GMT

In article <V3yTqB1w165w@mantis.co.uk> jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan Egre') writes:
> 
> Oh, you mean you want a MAILING LIST.

Dearest, we have a mailing list.  A high volume one.
A very high volume one.  So high, in fact, that a lot of people can't deal
with all the mail and drop off.  But I still keep in contact with a lot of
them and they lament that they'd still like to keep current with the news
of the topic but don't want to join back on the list because they can't deal
with all the mail.
So that's why I wanted to form a newsgroup.

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Subject: The internet must evolve or die ! (was Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  7 Sep 92 16:48:06 GMT

barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:

>In article <1992Sep07.061810.7916@NeoSoft.com> arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>>> The net.name.pundit growls as he sees the newgroup go out...
>>> 
>>> "Should be alt.tv.disney.afternoon - no, alt.tv.disney..."
>>
>>Nope.  Doesn't belong in the tv heirarchy, mainly because the Disney 
>>Afternoon involves considerably more than just the tv shows.

>Oh, so you're saying that it applies to Disney movies, but only if they
>are shown in the afternoon?  And if I read a Disney book, I can talk
>about it there if i read it in the afternoon?

>It doesn't belong under alt.tv, not because "Disney Afternoon involves
>considerably more than just the tv shows", but because _Disney_ involves 
>much more than just tv shows.  (consider groups such as
>alt.fan.disney.movies, alt.fan.disney.theme-park, alt.fan.disney.books)

With the background rumbling that has been going on for a grand
reorganization of all the groups, guidelines and other minutae of running
usenet. May I make a simple suggestion?
Why can't groups have multiple names? For example: why not have
alt.fan.disney.tv and alt.tv.disney.afternoon setup so that they are both
valid group names for the same group? With UNIX it would be a simple matter of
a link so that they were the same directory so increased storage would not be
problem.
Please don't tell me it wouldn't work with current software. I know that!
But if this is a desirable secenario (It might reduce the name flame wars!)
it would not be unreasonable to say that by 1 Jan 1994 (to pick a date)
that news software would need to handle this capability.
There must be some mechanism to change the software specifications, otherwise
the oft predicted death of the internet WILL occur as some new standard that
is more flexible and responsive is adopted. I do not expect that the current
version of nn (or any other news reader) will serve my needs even five years
from now. If we get into the trap of thinking that because this is how it is
done, this is how it must be done then well I hope you didn't lose too much
money investing in slide rules!

Ernest Cline
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:51:22 GMT

In article <BuDynt.G1K@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> 
> So you've SEEN this document!  Did you notice some of the other
> guidelines?
> 
>   1) Propose a new alt group in alt.config.
>      ...
>   2) See what the alt.net.opinion of the new group is.
>      ...
>   3) Post a "newgroup" control message.
>      ...
>   4) Let the individual site news administrators decide
>      whether to honor your "newgroup" message....
>      messages which are obviously forged, or have not been
>      discussed in alt.config and contain no explanation will
>      probably not be honored by many sites.

I did this.
No one said anything.  Well, I think there were like 2 comments, one pro,
one con.  Then I newgrouped.  
<shrug>

> Not me.  That alt does not follow Usenet's strict newsgroup guidelines
> does not mean that it's a free-for-all.  You're in good company with
> Palmer and Carasso, kid.

Geez.  We're awfully hostile today, aren't we?
And lots of sites have no problem with the group.  I've gotten messages form
all sorts of people (including sysadmins) telling me the group has made it to
their site.  Whatever. 
Don't know why you decided to pick on me.  I'm really a rather nice person.
Peter's a nice person too.  And smart.  And rich.
<wink>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.sci.planetary (was Re: newgroup alt.planetary.science)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.154220.19472@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.070214.14644@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>(I might add that there are already four existing groups in alt.sci.*,
>>which seems the perfect place to put an alt.sci.planetary; there's no
>>point in adding yet another hierarchy.)
>
>Egads, I hadn't seen those on the list that  I looked at.  I will "re-send"
>my create message for you.  It appears, however, that nobody is listening
>*anyway*.

The biggest nobody among them, however, appears to be you.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:00:17 GMT

gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:

>>No, you donUt understand.  I know exactly what I AM DOING.  I am Martin!
>>This Bitch is pissing me off and I want her dead.  Do you hear me, dead!
>>Get her the fuck off this planet.  Yale is behind me 100% on this!  Rachel
>>Christy is a menace to our existence.  I am perfectly sane, and I KNOW
>>what should be done.  We all know it, so letUs do it.  Fuck alt.rachel.weenie,
>>make it alt.nuke.the.fuck.out.of.rachel!!!!  

>WHO THE FUCK IS RACHEL?????????????????????

>-----G

A guy named Bob.

The looser (ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu) isn't much better.
--
Marshal Perlman - Huntington Beach - California - USA - Earth - Milky Way 
                 Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.disney.* groups
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:33:11 GMT
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute

In article <XE4JDU1@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>You people have convinced me that there is a need for groups for
>people who want to talk about Disney things other than the Disney
>Afternoon.  So I've come up with some potential groups and groupnames.
>The charters should be self-explanatory:
>
>alt.disney.misc
>alt.disney.land
>alt.disney.world
>alt.disney.euro
>alt.disney.japan
>alt.disney.movies
>alt.disney.movies.animations
>alt.disney.movies.live-action
>alt.disney.movies.touchstone
>alt.disney.mickey-mouse
>alt.disney.movies.touchstone.splash.daryl-hannah.babe.babe.babe
>alt.disney.comics
>alt.disney.advocacy
>alt.disney.marketing
>alt.disney.legal
>alt.disney.conspiracy
>alt.disney.announce
>alt.disney.newusers
>alt.disney.newusers.questions
>alt.disney.movies.reviews
>
>Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

alt.disney.movies should be alt.disney.movies.misc.

I also don't see a need for .newusers and .newusers.questions.


I'm KIDDING!!  :-)

My only complaint is that alt.whatever.disney.afternoon's charter is
rather vague, and could just as easily be called something more general
and easy to manage, yet still retain a compatible charter.  The "Disney
Afternoon" package next year may be given a different name, or totally
abandoned altogether for something else.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  "An analogy is like instant coffee: it can wake you up, but it's
  not the real thing"  -- Peter da Silva
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.religion.kibology,alt.cascade
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.society.anarchy
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003240.9854@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
>Subject: newgroup alt.society.anarchy
>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:32:40 GMT
>
>
>Charter:
>
>Ha!  You want a charter for anarchy?  Surely you jest.
Ho! You thought Carter was democracy? In God we trust.

------G
Newsgroups: alt.config