From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: Soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek
Subject: A GERMAN IN GREECE!
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:16:00 GMT
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Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>From: gunther.neuberger@icsmac4.icsmac.COM (GUNTHER NEUBERGER)

>I realized that Greek opinions carry some sort of paranoia which can
>be best summarized as the territorial claims on Greece by Macedonia,
>where some organizations at the extreme right in Macedonia are held

 "Organizations"? Try the government of Skopjie itself.

>The sentence,"Macedonia is Greek" was written on almost everything I
>saw.

 Here we go again. The greeks are demonstrating their allegiance to the
Macedonians (the REAL Macedonians) rather vocally. So what? Two years
ago, the Americans were in a similar patriotic blitz, with yellow
ribbons everywhere, including mile-long ribbons on avenues, and 12-foot
wide ribbons wrapped aroung office buildings. If the normally apolitical
Americans go that far to demonstrate their patritism, why should the
normally political Greeks be any different?

And what about the Vardaris?
*  Travelers returning from Skopje say that the slogan "Solun is
* ours," referring to Salonica by it's Macedonian name, has begun
* appearing in graffity on walls in that city.
   (From the N.Y. Times, 3/2/92)

>It seemed as if whomever I met in Greece was more than eager to say
>something bad about Macedonia and Turkey.
>I have also visited Turkey.Before we flew to Istanbul,many Greeks
>warned me to be careful about my girlfriend!.After being in Istanbul we
>realized how silly and wrong this warning was.I really don't know why
>Greeks behave like this?

 Let me thing. Could the fact that 35 Greek tourists, visiting religious
sites, DIED last year, when their bus was torched in Turkey, have
anything to do with Greek worries about travelling there?

>responsible.That's really funny.How can such a small country claim land
>from Greece? Aggressive policies of the greek government have made the

  Gunther, Gunther, Gunther. Of all people, you should know better than
that. In 1933 one might have asked how a defeated, demoralised,
practically unarmed country could possibly threaten the whole of Europe.
In 1933, the Polish army was larger than the German. Much good that did
for Poland in 1939. And with the Turkish side eager to come to the
"assistance" of "M", the threat is very, very real. Don't take me wrong,
I do not confuse the Germany of 1940 with the Germany of 1992. Then
again I do not confuse the Macedonia of 1913 with the Macedonia of 1992,
like some people do.

  From the New York Times of 3/2/92:
* Here in Salonica, the question arises again and again how a
* burstling industrial city of one million people - Greece's
* second city - can feel such suspicion and threat from a poor
* underdeveloped neighbor. The answer every time is that Salonicans
* are not afraid of today, but fear violence in the future.

Finally Gunther, let me ask you one question, that NO-ONE among the
Vardaris has ever bother to answer, even though I have asked it
dozens of times:

Tell me: If the Greeks are so unreasonable, why is it that only 5
countries have recognised "M" as such so far? How come the United
Nations, the European Economic Community, the US, (even your own
country, Germany) have refused recognition for "M", until they correct
the issue of their name? Is the whole world gone mad, and only the
Vardaris are sane? Is this the biggest conspiracy in the history, with
97% of the world composed of Greek Agents? What is your theory?

>|  Gunther Neuberger

Michael.
      
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