HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:09:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Sep27.151436.21269
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <22816@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes...

>In article <1992Sep25.213449.15489@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>McGee 
>>who now does the Packer radio color commentary was pretty upset with 
>>the Bengals Tim Krumrie because he said Krumrie continued to 
>>twist Majik's leg after he was down.  In fairness to Krumrie, Majik 
>>did fumble on the play and he may have been trying to keep Majik from 
>>recovering the ball.
> 
>That's a bunch of bull from McGee.  Majik was not down - Krumrie was
>just trying to sack him.  Simply homerism - anyone who has watched
>Krumrie play knows he is intense but never dirty.

I'm sure you're aware that people in Wisconsin are not biased against 
Tim Krumrie.  If you think Majik was not down when Krumrie was pulling 
on his leg it must be homerism on your part.  The explanation is 
simple - Krumrie didn't know Majik was hurt - he did know that there 
was a fumble.  Any good player would have continued to hold a QB down 
hoping one of his team mates would recover the fumble on a play 
like that.

JGH
From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: quick question
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:07:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <BvDMLv.2C9@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) writes:

>The Canadian field is 60 yards wide and 110 yards long. And the endzones are
>20 yards instead of 10 yards deep in NFL. Pretty big difference, eh? Think 
>about what good passing teams in NFL could do with a 20-yard deep endzone!
>Scary!

Close. The Canadian field is 65 yards wide. (I have a copy of the CFL rulebook
at home.)

As for the end zone, yeah, 20-yard-deep end zones are fun, but those goal posts
can get in the way every now and again. (Goalposts are on the goal line.)
-- 
Dustin Emhart                       |  CS Majors: We do more after 11 pm than
Georgia Institute of Technology     |  most people do all day.
Internet: vaps0de@prism.gatech.edu  |        -- me
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Subject: Re: Monday night game (result ?)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:23:42 GMT


  Kansas City   27
  L.A. Raiders   7

  * Keith Jackson said he will play for the Dolphins and that the offer
    he got at Miami was much more than the one Philadelphia was offering.
    Randall Cunningham looked a little upset when they were interviewing
    him at halftime along with Jackson and Dallas quarterback, Troy Aikman.

    Mike
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:14:53 GMT

In article <AelenXK00YV7M4lUVc@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

	 [ ... ]

>I agree.  The Bears seem to be getting old and they are losing size and
>skill on both sides of the ball.  They still need a QB.
>  And as a fan in the NFC Central, I *know* the Bucs can't keep winning
>- precedent simply denies it.

I was pretty skeptical of the Bucs early, but if they keep
winning, I may be a believer soon.  And the Bucs history isn't
really too relevant, since they have a new coaching staff and a
lot of relatively new, young players.

>  The Vikes, however, seem to have found themselves a QB.  I never
>thought Gannon was as good as he was today, probably because I just
>assumed defense was the reason they have always done well.  They have a
>lot of talent, more than I ever thought, but I think that they will win
>the division mainly because the division is all around .500.

Do people that have seen much of Gannon think he's any good?  I
haven't seen him play yet this year.

>  The Packers will continue to improve, especially with the confidence
>they gained after solidly beating a 3-0 team today.

This was a good game for GB.  Hopefully they can carry the
momentum and beat Atlanta next week, and follow this with a win in
Cleveland.  If so, they could approach .500 this season.  I'm
guessing 5 more wins (7-9) if Favre continues to play well and
there aren't many injuries.

>  The Lions, on the other hand, seem to be self-destructing.  They don't
>have the emotional high from last year, and they seem to be really dying
>against average teams.  Unless Barry can get back on track, and the
>defense can get going, Peete's amazing stats will mean nothing and they
>will keep losing.

This is a bit of a shame.  Hopefully they can drop a couple to
Green Bay but close their divisional schedule with a win against
the Bears (not that I'm biased...).

>In view of today's games, I predict:
>1.  Vikings 10-6   (atop a division with not much competition)
>2.  Lions 8-8      (they'll catch up, but not enough)
>3.  Tampa Bay 7-9  (they'll fade)
>3.  Bears  7-9     (they'll fade too)
>3.  Packers 7-9    (ride that easy schedule out)

Looks like a lot of parity...

-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Crowd Throws Objects, film at 11
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:49:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct2.054903.8048@athena.mit.edu>, centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>>If they throw things, simply remove the offending party from the game.  A
>>repeat performance at a later game revokes season tickets, and a third time
>>gets them banned from the stadium.  It's that easy.
>>
>>gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN, AVRON P)
> 
> 	Hey, you can't do this!  Throwing things is a tradition
> at the Vet!  Especially throwing things at Jimmy Johnson when
> he comes to town.  Examples:  batteries, beer, snowballs.  Heh.  :)


           I only wish that some fool, sitting near me would throw something
on the field. It would be his/her last time they would want to see me.

                                -doug THE dolfan-


From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:43:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Buffalo ------- Wash.


Houston ------- Phil.



	buffalo 51     Wash. 34

	At last they WIN!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: billp@contel0.com (William H. Papazian - Data Engineering)
Subject: Buffalo Broncos will lose!
Organization: IPC Information Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:54:33 GMT

I will be quite the lucky fan on October 4, 1992.  I
have 4 seats for the Buffalo/Miami game -- 48 yard line,
first row (section C1).  I will thoroughly enjoy watching the
Dolphins CRUSH the Buffalo Broncos (renamed due to their
SuperBowl ineptness).  

All this talk of the Bills going undefeated is a joke. Let's
see, they played three really bad teams and they looked 
pretty good.  Big deal.  I will guarantee that the Buffalo
Broncos will lose to the Dolphins -- my prediction is below:

Miami:   31 ( Keith Jackson will have at least one TD)
Buffalo: 24 ( they will score a cheap touchdown at the end
		to make the final score look close)

> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans) writes:
>
>  Bill, the next time you're at Rich Stadium come by section C5 and
> look us up. I'll buy you a beer and Tegger will throw confetti 
> all over you.

Hey, why don't you guys come over to section C1 during the Miami game,
and I'll buy you two a beer (I'll be the guy crazy enough to wear a 
Washington Redskins hat and sweatshirt). But wait until Miami is 
leading by two touchdowns (like last year) -- the beer will help calm 
you both down.

>You see, the whole point of this story is that, yes the Tegger is a
>big jerk but he is an integral part of the atmosphere at Rich Stadium.
 
Hey, I only called him a jerk.  You are the one that said he is a
"big jerk."

If you want to see some REAL football fans, try to get a ticket to
a Redskins game at RFK.  Make it a Cowboys game or a Giants game --
Miami/Buffalo can't compare to those rivalries.

> Subject: Re: TEGGER who? (Jim Kelly loves this guy!)

Great.  You, TEGGER, and Kelly can all get together at Kelly's house
after the game and complain about the officiating (because Buffalo
will have lost). Just like the SuperBowl -- "If they had called that
pass interference against Andre Reed, Buffalo would've won." yeah. sure.
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys aren't great (was: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:37:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

>
>One indication that the Eagles are a stronger team is the fact that their
>fans are announcing a perfect season possibility.  The Cowboys fans
>who are surely louder and more obnoxious and more numerous on the net
>have not had the courage to say the same despite their over zealous and
>sometimes unrealistic view of their team.  This shows that they are aware
>of their teams mortality despite living in the clouds.  

>-- 
>En Pum Cho					
>University of Chicago Class of 1994
>math & economics major
>epc1@midway.uchicago.edu

Just when some decent post comes along, it's ruined by this kind of
statement.  Louder?  More obnoxious?  Sure, D fans are loud and
obnoxious, but, I'm sorry, the E fans have *at least* as
obnoxious--who's been using the all caps in the subject lines?  The
rest of the thinking of the paragraph is not worth further comment.

Proof in the pudding, as they say.


Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu

-- 

Gary Beason    			      bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Purdue University, English    	      bubba@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Eudora)
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MY Football Program
Date: 4 Oct 1992 11:45:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A lot of people have asked for it, so if anyone doesn't mind, I will post
it in here.  It is for the Amiga.  If I get too many objections, I will
not post it.

Mike
-- 
Okay, look for AmoNER Disk #4 on: (And, AMOS PRO is coming SOON!)
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59) in /amiga/amoner
nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) in /pub/amiga/programming/amos
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: RAIDERS Problems
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:15:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92276.121536TOM
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

The problem with the Raiders is Al Davis!  Move the Silver and Black back
to Oakland, get rid of Al Davis and Art Shell and hire back John Madden and
tell him it is now OK to Ice Fish in the San Francisco Bay!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Franchise Player???
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:04:11 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct1.025100.13463@netcom.com>, xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
> In <1992Sep30.095148.29435@walter.cray.com> jwest@wisc (Jeff West) writes:
> 
>>xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>>: In <Bv3HxM.B6w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>: Not to downplay any of these fine players but the choice of Marino just
>>: underlines the fact that you can't win by offense alone. [...]
> 
>>I think the idea here is to find out who people would take first if they had
>>to start their own team today.  Obviously no one [OR TWO] players can make a
>>great team alone.
> 
> Right.  I was just questioning the whole idea of a "franchise" player. 
> And if you're actually trying to build a team[*], D might actually be
> the best place to start.  I think that a team with great D and mediocre
> O is more likely to succeed than a team with great O and mediocre D. 
> (Which is too bad, since I think that my team has great O and mediocre
> D.) 
> 
> [*]rather than simply concocting a fantasy team, since D is mostly
> ignored in fantasy leagues.
> 
>>You mention Montana and forget the likes of Craig, Rice etc.  And true Reggie
>>White would be a force on Any team but put him and Randall on the Patriots
> 
> I was just trying to come up with some quick examples of the kind of
> people who might be called "franchise players".  People on both sides of
> the ball.  Sure Singletary had help in Chicago's SB victory.  I still
> think that he could have been called, at least at one time, a franchise
> player.  My examples were off-the-top, but I'm sure you all get the
> idea, and you might even be able to come up with better examples.
> 
> Basically, the original question was "what franchise player would you
> pick," and then everybody started naming QB's.  I'm not quite sure who
> I'd pick, but it would probably be a defensive player.
> 
>>For final proof I remember a team that had both the offensive AND defensive
>>player of the year on the same team and in the same year and yet only won 1
>>game!  Sayer's and Butkus.
> 
> Even worse.  Obviously, having a "franchise player" is not enough to
> guarantee anything.  But if I could have a team that consisted of all
> average players, except for one outstanding player, I'd rather have that
> outstanding player playing for the defense.
> 
> Maybe I should just suggest someone that I think I'd pick as my
> franchise player.  I'll give it some thought....
> -- 
> Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
> xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!

                     If I could only pick one "Franchise Player" that
person would be:  DON SHULA

                        just my .02
                                      -doug THE dolfan-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: LIONS update
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:14:06 GMT

William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>The Detroit News reported that Rodney Pete was injured in Sunday's game
>with Tampa Bay,  and will likely miss this weekend's game with NO.  Kramer
>will get the start if Pete does not play.  Also the lions are returning to
>a stretch-type of offense,  to give Barry Sanders a break,  in hopes that
>the threat of 4 receivers will make him more of the danger he was the last
>few years.  This stretched offense will be unleashed on NO This weekend in
>the Dome.

Strange.  The Tampa Bay defense has zapped 3 of 4 starting quarterbacks so
far this season, Rosenbach, Gannon, and Peete.  I don't recall if they
injured any quarterbacks in Green Bay....
-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
                           Think twice you people!!
--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Subject: Predictions
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:55:59 GMT

I have yet to decide on all of the games, but here's one that you can debate:

The JETS will destroy Indianapolis on the the road. Jeff George will be 
intercepted 4 times, and running backs will fumble twice.

2 of the interceptions will be run back for touchdowns from Eric McMillin.

Browning Nagle will throw for close to 400 yards, while the Jets are held
to only 75 yards rushing.

Jets  33
Colts  7

- Squish the Fish -
- Look out, here come the Jets. You Bills fans better beware -

                                       -Paul
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dream Match
Keywords: fairweathered, record=smecord
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:12:14 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Being an Englishman I always support the underdog. I happen to root for 
the Bills, but that is because I always have. I make a point of NOT
supporting the 49ers and Redskins or, indeed, any "big" team. I believe
I am a real fan - of American football. This discussion of "real" fans
is quite interesting, I always thought that the whole ethos of the American
way of life was to love winners and hate losers...

-- 

 * Meeeow ! Call Spuddy on (0203) 638780/638693 for FREE mail & Usenet access *
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: Bengals Problems ???
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:04:05 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep28.050720.23938@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:
|> 
|>   
|> 
|>   What exactly are the Bengals problems??? I do not think they 
|>  end with Boomer - though he is having the worst season of
|>  his life. Do we have any Offensive co-ord ?? Or is Dave Shula
|>  the Off. Cord. ???

Boomer sucks.  I don't think it's play-calling, it's just terrible passing.

|>     Personally I think they should have never fired Sam Wyche. 
|>  Sam Wyche may not be the best head coach, but he is definitely
|>  one of the best offensive coach. Firing Dick LaBeau (sp ?)
|>  and hiring R. Lynn as defensive co-ord would have solved most of
|>  Bengals problems. Look what Tampa Bay is  doing ???  Beating Detroit
|>  in Silverdome is no joke. And only one man is making the diff. for that
|>  team is Sammy. 

It was time for Sam to leave.  Sam's great for Tampa Bay, but it was time
for a change in Cincy.  

|>    Anyway, since he is already gone and we have 12 more games to play
|>  till playoffs :-) what can be done to this Bengal Team. 
|>    Defense has NOT improved. Only the Defensive line has improved which
|>  has Bengals leading the NFL in sacks, but that doesn't seem to be stopping
|>  teams from airing it against the Bengals. Pass defense sucks ... that to 
|>  after decent pressure is being put on the QB. David Fulcher and Ricky 
|>  Dixon are supposed to start against Houston, but will that stop Moon and
|>  his recvrs. (Unless he throws for 5 ints). 

Getting Fulcher and Dixon back will definitely help the secondary.  We
desperately need a cornerback to replace "toast" Jones, who was burned
constantly by Chris Carter yesterday.  I actually miss Lewis Billups.

|>    As far as the offense goes, Bruce Koserski, said today on a local talk 
|>  show that the problem started today 'cos we had to switch from our running
|>  game to passing game. I thought our passing game was one of our strong pts.
|>  Why should that be such a problem unless Boomer is not making the calls and 
|>  some jerk on the sideline is ..... I think they should allow Boomer to make 
|>  more calls and go for more passing plays on 1st downs. 
|> 
|>  Any Comments ???
|> 
They don't pass because they've had no success at it.  If they passed more,
perhaps they'd get into more of a rhythm, but yesterday's debacle indicates
that they *have* to run to set up the pass.
|> 
|>   AJI 
|> 
|>  p.s how about Klingler ???
|> 
Not enough experience.  Look for Boomer to get yanked early against Houston
if he doesn't look any better, and Hollas to replace him.
|> 
|>   | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
|>   |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
|>   |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale Drummond          		"This calls for my projectile raisin breath!"	
daled@meaddata.com		
...!uunet!meaddata!daled		-- Powdered Toast Man
From: reille85@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: <None>
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:24:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

The Eagles did not play very well offensively and still scored 31 pts. on MNF,
all I have to say is watch out NFL.  By the way, the Eagles will also win on
November 1 in Dallas.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Dangerous Dan
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep29.182023.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.191048.22289@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890554h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andrew Hoogerwerf) writes:
>> Although I am Canadian and have watch Warren Moon play for the Eskimos
>> there is no doubt in my mind that Dan Marino is by far the premiere
>> QB in NFL no matter how many records Moon will brake.
>> 
> 
>     I have to agree. In my biased opinion Dan is one of the two best
> quarterbacks to ever play the game. The other? Some guy out west.
> 
> 
>                          -doug THE dolfan-


     I would agree with the fact that Marino is probably the best today,
but I would currently put Montana far and above the water bound mamal.
4, count them, 4 SB rings.  Along with 3 SB MVP awards.  I don't care what
records some runy nose kid breaks, what did he do in THE game.  Was it the
football or someone's fist Dan the Man *choked* on.  He's great, and he
may hold lots of records, (he still has to get the long standing most yards
in a game, 554 has been the record for over 30 years I beleive) but he has
never done what the entire sport is about, win the SuperBowl, something
Smokin' Joe is very accomplished at (Dan the Man can tell you all about
it).

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
From: rfedkiw@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami-Buffalo-San Fran
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:22:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

As usual the Bills cut their own throats.... they did it last year
with New England and before that with Tampa Bay .....
Unfortunately Miami has a cake schedule and could go 13-3...

It's going to be a good race, but the Bills WILL WIN THE DIVISION !!!!
Miami will choke again, just like they did 2 years ago when they 
let Frank Reich squish the fish.

But for now Miami has a slight lead.... meaning both teams have won 4
games but Miami holds the first tiebreaker and doesn't have a loss.

It looks like the Super Bowl this year will be a repeat of the 
last two: NFC East vs. AFC East .... where are the other divisions???


--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Miami-Buffalo-San Fran
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:36:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville




   stuff taken out

> It's going to be a good race, but the Bills WILL WIN THE DIVISION !!!!
> Miami will choke again, just like they did 2 years ago when they 
> let Frank Reich squish the fish.
> 
   more stuff taken out

> Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
> 
> A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
> while others are doing.

     Someone carve this in stone, because I want to read it again in
December.
                         -doug THE dolfan-

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro