From: sjl@TEFS1.acd.com (Scot Leibacher)
Subject: Re: Turbo CD upgrade
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:00:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.043148.12249@bluemoon.use.com> grant@bluemoon.use.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:
>Stephen Jonke <jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov16.232230.17606@cs.UAlberta.CA> Andre LeBlanc, andre@nojack
>>writes:
>>>> The total cost will be the same as the Duo (but you don't get any of the  
>>>games
>>>> packed with the Duo.) 
>>>
>>>Awwwww balls!!!  Is this true??  Up until now I was under the impression  
>>>that the games would come with it.  First the stupid packaging of the new  
>>>hucard games, and now this.  *sigh*
>
>>Hmm, I was just presuming that the upgrade card wouldn't include any games,
>>but I guess it might.  Seems like a dumb idea, though -- TG-CD owners probably
>>already have Y's and one or both Bonks games and Ninja Spirit.  That leaves
>>only Gate of Thunder as new, so maybe they'll include it.
>
> I just picked up a Turbo Duo. Bonk 1, Bonk 2 and Gates of Thunder are
>on the same CD. Y's I and II are on the other CD, and Ninja Spirit is
>on a HuCard. Interestingly, the TurboForce magazine says it was
>Dungeon Explorer rather than Ninja Spirit. I paid $5 for Ninja Spirit
>a few months ago and thought I paid to much for it then... I already
>have Dungeon Explorer (I have had a TurboExpress for a year now) anyway
>so it made no difference to me. Both are duplicates for me. If they
>toss Gates of Thunder in with the rev 3 CD card they will have to
>include Bonk 1 and 2 as well if they use the same CDs (likely).
>
> I am surprised by the rave reviews that Y's gets. It is graphically
>unimpressive, and the play is clumsy. Especially after just completing
>Zelda III on my SNES last week. Maybe Y's gets better as it goes along...
>I have been a TG fan for along time (always liked it better than
>Genesis) but I have to say the SNES eats the TG's lunch graphicaly
>and sonically. Oh well, live and learn. I wanted a full size to go
>along with the TurboExpress so it is OK... Everyone ought to call TTI
>and bitch about the jewel boxes being discontinued though, if enough
>of us bitch then they will bring them back...
>



    I had this same impression when I first started playing Y's I. It 
    will get better when things start picking up speed. It is still the
    over-all best games I've played. The onlu aspect I didn't like is
    that to engage an enemy, you simply run into them. Y's III has a 
    much improved play aspect (at least in this area). I think you will
    enjoy the game as it progresses.

>> The dealer I bought the Duo from gave me a couple of Japanese CD's,
>he tried to rent them but noone could figure them out (having been
>doing business with him on and off for 8 years had something to do
>with it as well). Anyone know of a good way to translate the Kanji
>into American English (or even British English)? I suspect I'll go
>no-where fast with them as it stands.
>
> Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the games are tending
>to become less playable and enjoyable over the years? The graphics
>and sound and speed are all improving in geometrical fashion, but
>something has been lost along the way. Not that I want to go back to
>my old Pong machine, or the 2600 in the garage or the 5200 I have
>loaned to my father (I am not likely to drive 180 miles each way to
>pick it up anytime soon mind you...) but some of the games for those
>systems (wel, the Odyssy 2 in the garage isn't included in that...)
>had real longevity. Asteroids on the 2600, CounterMeasure on the
>5200... Now Zelda III is great (IMHO) but why don't we see games
>like CounterMeasure today? Some oldies are turning up under new
>names and graphics but the ones I want back (CounterMeasure, H.E.R.O.,
>etc) seem to have disappeared into the mists of time... Maybe I am
>just getting old (@30) but why has so much of the old excitement
>gone out of video games? Well, enough rambling...
>-- 

    Maybe I'm just getting older too (32), but I think there is some 
    truth in what you say here. I think some games have gotten overly
     complex which detracts from the game-playing aspect. Its kinda like
    the music scene was in the late '70s. Everyything had gotten very
    over-produced. Then there came a group of performers/bands who were
    going back to the basics (how else would you account for the success
    of groups like THE KNACK). Maybe its about time for one of these 
    back-to-basics movements in the video gaming world. I, unlike you,
    do pull out my 5200 from time to time for just that reason. I still
    find simple, stright forward game like JOIST and PENGO a lot of fun
    to play. 


>\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.use.com)   /
>
>        Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed.
>

      -Scot Leibacher
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