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From: dbuck@world.std.com (David C Churbuck)
Subject: Spanish Mackerel tips appreciated
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:55:01 GMT

The Spanish Mackerel are running off the south beaches of Cape
Cod these days, but I for the life of me, can't find, let alone
catch one.

So, today, armed with a whippy 8' Browning S-glass, Penn 4400
loaded with 12lb Stren and a handful of Swedish Pimples and Dead-
ly Dicks, I intend to catch one. Any tips? I recall reading in a
back issue of Saltwater Sportsman that small menhanden can be
trolled for Spanish Macks, but I must have thrown that copy out
because I can't find it. I've also heard that trolling a broken
back Rebel or Bomber can have some success, but I want to cast
from my boat, not troll aimless along the beach.

As for the fishing in general: a massive hatch of sand eels has
packed schools of bluefish along the south shore of the Cape, but
they are very tough to catch due to the abundance of forage. I've
cast into them hundreds of times hoping they might be Spanish
Mackerel or Bonito, and on occasion one will hit a Swedish Pimple
or small (4") broken back Rebel.

Stripers are very slow at Monomoy Point which was the hot spot
most of July and August. I've been fishing the outer beaches at
Nauset the past two weeks with live eels but have had nothing but
dogfish on the line. The Cape Cod Bay side of the Cape is start-
ing to produce some keepers and big blues in Dennis and
Barnstable. All in all, the Cape Cod Canal is where the bass seem
to be, if you can bear the crowds and losing a fortune in rigs to
the rocky bottom, chunks of menhaden at the low slack seem to be
doing the trick.

The big gorilla bluefish of fall are finally charging into the
coves at night, hitting the schools of menhaden at dawn and dusk.

It's Derby time on Martha's Vineyard, but I haven't heard any
reports, other than Bonito and Mackerel at Menemsha, big blues at
Norton and Long Shoals.

David Churbuck
From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE:  SHARP TEETH 
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:55:48 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Friend,Ihave found a similar lake in east Texas where the pikerel are
like you say. Try using a smaller wire leader or fish at night or on cloudy
days. We have caught a 3 1/2 lber so far. What is your states record or
the lake record at which you are fishing? The record here is 4lbs. 10 oz.
You might look into setting a lk. record if you can.Also try using a shorter
leader. Good Luck,

                          David


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From: cathal@spock.retix.com (Cathal Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:09:13 GMT


Hi folks,

I've just been reading in the LA Times today about 3 Great Whites that
have been caught lately by guys fishing off Manhattan Beach Pier (they
were all about 6-7 feet). The pier is not very long, and I got
the impression from the article that the sharks were actually landed
on the beach after being hooked from the pier.

Anyone out there ever fished for sharks like this ?? What sort
of tackle is used and is it very common to catch sharks so close to
the shore ??

Cathal.
From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE: Bass vs Trout vs People
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:00:01 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


    ARE INNERTUBERS CONSIDERED A TRASH FISH ? IF NOT ANYONE HAVE A 

GOOD RECIPE ?  I SNAG ONE BY ACCIDENT EVERY NOW AND THEN,I NOTICE 

WHEN THEIR HOOKED THEY SEEM TO DEFLATE SLOWLY IS THIS NATURAL ?
From: pro016@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE: Sharp Teeth
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:52:37 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


HEY BUZZ,

Try to make a shock leader with 10# line or bigger:

tie a swivel to the end of your 6# line and then take a 2-3 foot piece
of 10# line or bigger and tie this to the other end of the swivel and tie
the other end of the leader to the lure. Experiment with different pound
lines and check the leader after each fish caught for fraying or cuts.
Its easier to change the leader after 1 or 2 fish.

      hope this helps,        tight lines      PAUL
                                  from wild,wonderful WEST VIRGINIA!!!
From: mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:19:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: evt_bcs


     I know that this issue was covered in alt.fishing once
before.  I didn't pay that much attention to it at the time
and this is now r.o.f, so I'll pose the questions.  I am
trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
recommendations?


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From: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: Laser guided smart-lures
Keywords: Laser, Lure, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Reply-To: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.142156.19860@ncsu.edu>, plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L.
Heron) writes:
|> ...  I guess I'd have to hold a texas-rigged worm 
|> in my loosly clenched hand while my buddy performs the hook-set 
|> to understand the dynamics of how  this tiny bit of force can 
|> hook a bass though a plastic bait.
|> 
|> 			-Pat.

Don't forget to leave the barb on the hook.Otherwise you might achieve an
unrealistic degree of penetration due to the slimmer profile of an
unbarbed hook. It probably isn't necessary to rub the worm in rotting
mud before experimenting however, as the extra lubrication is 
compensated for by the tiny pieces of grit carried into the test medium 
by the hook.


BTW: mail to  plh@eos.ncsu.edu bounced, User unknown...
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From: beaker@parrot.creighton.edu (Rodney Hoden)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Eagle Lake fishing trip
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:52:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Just got back for a week long fishing trip to Eagle Lake at
Vermillion Bay in Ontario, Canada.  The lake is about four feet
higher this year that it was last year, so many of the feeder
streams were navigable.  The water temperature was cool due to a
cool summer.  The lake trout were swimming at about 40 foot
according to people that we talk to.  We did not catch any trout
ourselves.  One day we tried at Clear Water Lake south of the west
branch of Eagle Lake for lake trout.  Clear Water Creek was deep
enough to get in by boat.  Didn't get a bite, but the fish were
there on the fish finder.  The rest of the trip was spent in the
west branch of Eagle Lake.  The walleye fishing was slow, but
people were catching them by jigging with lead head hooks and
minnows.  Trolling with rattle traps or spinners was not working. 
Our group only caught two walleye.  The small mouth bass fishing
was good.  We caught four with two above 2 1/2 pounds.  These were
caught on rattle traps that were yellow or light blue.  Mostly in
bays with fallen trees.  The best fishing was the northern pike. 
The big ones were in the shallow weed beds due to the cool water
temperature.  The first day it was raining and I pulled a seven
pound northern out.  Not very big relatively speaking, but the
biggest fish that I had ever caught.  They were hitting the five of
diamonds dare devil or any similar spoon that was yellow, silver,
or white.  The strip-on spinner, and the Meps bucktail were also
very productive.  We looked for bays that had both reeds and
cabbage.  Bays that had inlet streams also held fish.  We found
crawdad claws in the belly of one of the larger northerns.  The
northerns put up a great fight and were fun fishing.  Over all it
was a good trip once we got into the fish.


Rodney Hoden
beaker@parrot.creighton.edu

p.s. Sorry about the test post.  This was my first post.
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:00:45 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <18g1adINNbdt@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> russell@skid.uk.sun.com writes:
>In article 92Sep6090936@percival.albany.edu, narten@cs.albany.edu (Thomas Narten) writes:
>
>>Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
>>for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in
>>either detail or concrete evidence) that indicate that fishing for
>>bass and walleye picks up as a front starts to move through an area
>>and the barometric pressure falls.  In contrast, high pressuse tends
>>to disfavor good fishing.  Can someone recommend a book that describes
>>the affects of weather on fishing in a fair amount of detail?

>My experience is that high pressure dampens the fishing too, but is
>this due exclusively to pressure or the attendant hot weather ?

Interesting. Here in England I have heard people say that *low*
pressure is bad for fishing. I myself doubt very much that atmospheric
pressure makes any difference. A change in depth of 2 or 3 feet
represents a pressure change equivalent to 30 or more millibars, so
it seems unlikely that a fish would notice. But does anyone know any
better?

>
>I have read (in more than one source) that fish tend to go off the feed
>if the water temperature gets to 23 degrees C (73 degrees F), and that
>seems to make sense as the oxygen content of the water will then be
>lowered, making the fish sluggish.

This is far more plausible, and borne out by my experience. Same when
the water falls below 4 deg C, or even when you get a sudden change.

Nigel
From: kdf@druhi.ATT.COM (Kent Fishman)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: San Juan River, NM report
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:53:25 GMT
Distribution: rec

I had the opportunity to fish the San Juan below Navajo Dam this past weekend.
The river was at ~600 cfs.  The weather was hot and sunny all the time.  We 
floated one day and wade fished the rest of the time.

The low water had forced the fish out of holding water I was used to fishing
and concentrated them for the fishermen.  Lots and lots of anglers.  The 
guides said fishing had been slow for the past month.  We helped prove them
correct.  The fishing was definitely slow.  A lot of the usual patterns proved
useless - pheasant tail, hare's ear, disco midge, wooly boogers.  The dry 
fly activity was non-existent except for one evening right at dusk - and this
activity was limited to a very small area of river.

We did pick some up on a tan San Juan worm and egg patterns.  The guides
said they were picking them up on red annelids and chocolate brown emergers.
We managed some on the annelids but zip on the emergers.

The fish were big (up to 21.5") and very fat.  All were good fighters and
were not shy about running you deep into your backing.  I had to use my
hemostats to remove many flies imbedded in fish that had successfully broken off
other anglers.  This was my first trip where I returned home with more flies
than I started with.

In spite of the crowd of anglers, the river did not feel crowded.  This is
because everyone was constantly on the move trying to find the right hole with
the right fly.  Therefore, one didn't have to wait long to fish favorite holes.

Kent Fishman
Bell Labs, Denver
From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE: Bass vs Trout vs People
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:39:40 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

WELL, Im glad to see everyone enjoying jet ski fishing  !!! I know I 

should practice catch/release and even tagging these critters, but can

I just keep one to have mounted on the side of my garage....PLEASE ?

I hear they weather real nice !

Paul

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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Day tickets on fine english chalk streams
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:14:17 +0000


In article <1992Aug31.170037.18648@newross.Princeton.EDU> jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU () writes:

> 
> Hello,
> A recent note from over there indicated that the cost of flying to
> Montana to fish was equivalent or nearly equivalent to the cost of buying
> a day ticket on a fine English chalk stream. This boggled my mind enough
> so that it was several days before I recovered enough to ask for details.
> 
> How much does it cost to fish on an English chalk stream? 
> If necessary, use scientific notation.
> 
I suspect that I was the man responsible for starting this: I took the rates
that Orvis charge for their stretches of the Test and Itchen, which were
about UKP 150 (sya $300) a day for two people. last time I looked, two or
three years back. Do a week of that, and it really is cheaper in Montana.

On the other hand, you can spend as little as $60 to $100 a day in some
places, I believe. That is, per person. Or you could go to the Arundell Arms:
phenomenal food, nice fishing in small rivers that are not chalk streams:
about 80 UKP per person per day, if I remember correctly.

I'd still rather be in Montana.


> 
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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Casting Monofilament
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:51:49 GMT
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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Kevin Ormerod (kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM) wrote:
: 
: >>Dupont 7/20
: >>----------
: >>This is a specialty line.  It is absolutely the finest line that I
: >>have ever used for spinnerbait or buzzbait fishing in water that 
: >>has a little color.  It is also good for heavy pitching or flipping.
: >>I don't recommend it for use in wind or for other general use.  One
: >>spool of the stuff will last for several years because you only have
: >>to put 50 to 75 feet of the stuff on the reel.  see below.
: 
: 
: >This is the first time I have ever heard a good comment about this
: >stuff.  In previous posts there was a flood of complaints.  It
: >is very difficult to get knots to hold, negatively affects lure
: >action, likes to birdnest after a little use, tends to bind
: >on the reel, etc.  I used it about three times and threw it
: >away.  There seems to be a good reason that no other mfg. that
: >I know of makes the stuff.
: 
: Since I was the originator of the comments about 7/20 I feel
: compelled to reply.

: 1) I pointed out that 7/20 was a SPECIALTY LINE. It isn't suited
:    for beginners or amateurs.
                      ^^^^^^^^

     Now that you have turned "PRO" on us, can we still fish with you in the
     bass club?  :)  :)  :) 

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From: shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: Keys Report (fwd)
Reply-To: shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:27:45 GMT

************************ From Joyce King ***************************

Keys fishing report:

Come on down!!!  The weather is perfect, the fishing is GREAT, and
the Keys are in excellent shape.  Full power has been restored and
many of the motels are offering reduced rates.  

Dolphin (mahi-mahi) came in to 150 feet for a few days after the storm,
but are back out in 600-800' feet, and numerous.  Lots of lovely
blackfin tuna for your sushi.

On the reef, snappers (yellowtail, mangrove, and mutton) are plentiful. 
Grouper are hungry, when you can find them.  Kingfish are
available and currently legal.

During the power outage Captain Fred handled the cooking.  One night we
had fresh tuna marinated in Italian dressing and grilled over
coals.  The next night he split yellowtail, stuffed them with
cornbread dressing, wrapped them in foil, and baked them on the
grill.  Another day he smoked kingfish in the smoker.  

I was unable to get my "keyboard fix" for over a week.  I think I
need a laptop with about four batteries.

The Florida Keys Wildbird Rehabilitation Center in the Keys has
been very busy, as you can imagine.  They take birds from all
over Monroe County, which includes the Everglades.  Aside from
broken and dislocated wings, we've had a serious emaciation
problem, especially with cormorants.  I'm setting up a database
with weights, results of blood work, and any other data I can
find to see if we can find some clues.  We were able to save a few
by transfusing blood from healthy permanent residents. 

Oz the osprey stepped up on my arm just like he used to and gave
me the absolute DEVIL for causing all that wind and rain.  I
guess if he wants to blame me....

                 Joyce

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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: uncoiling the coiled leader
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:20:09 +0000


In article <1992Sep1.183732.2441@newross.Princeton.EDU> jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:

> Hey ho,
> 
> I've tied my own leader for fly casting, and it seems to fly out and unroll
> OK, but as soon as the stress is off, and it is in the water, it coils up into
> a big spring, pulling my  fly across the water like a little boat, making the
> effective length of my leader about two feet, and otherwise bugging the
> hell out of me.

Try holding it stretched and rubbing it back and forth across your waders
with a sawing action -- not too hard. The friction heats the mono and settles
it into a straight patter. I don't know about the knots, though.

Why do you bother tying your own leaders anyway? Serious question. I
sometimes tie really simple leaders with a stiff butt section added to a
pre-bought tapered midsection, and then a bit of tippet. But I have nevr felt
the urge to tie a whole leader. What do you hope to gain?


>
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:11:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <530005@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:
>
>Seriously, I've never found any particular correlation between weather
>and success in fishing so long as you make adjustments in the methods
>you use (e.g., dry flies in a snowstorm probably won't be too
>productive).

Well, actually I did fairly well with dry flies in a snow storm at a high
mountain lake in late October a couple years back.  (My line guides' icing up
finally frustrated me to the point of quitting that day.)

On the upper Russian River on the Alaska's Kenai peninsula I had a good
time catching rainbows on dry flies in the rain.  I had been fishing various
streamers below the surface and catching nothing.  When a fish hit a
wooly bugger on the surface, I switched to a large dry attractor
(a black humpy).  It was the strangest sensation, fishing dries in the
rain, but it worked.

On the subject of weather vis a vis fishing, has anyone noticed that high
lake cutthroat tend to go on a surface feed immediately BEFORE a wind comes
up.  It's as if they can sense the opportunity is about to vanish.  I notice
(imagine?) this all the time.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: re: Spanish Mackerel
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:48:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant


    I grew up chasing mackerel, so here's a few
things that have worked for me in the past. For
trolling we used to use 'Christmas Tree' rigs,
which involve several hooks covered with pieces
of red and green tubing. This rig usually results
in multiple hookups if they're around. In my youth
(oh, 20 years ago...) we did best fishing bait - 
sand eels were best (fished with a bobber) but
pieces of salt pork were also very good. This
technique is best (IMO) for fishing off small 
bridges, piers & floats. For artificials the stan-
dard rig was a small (3" or so) diamond jig cast
out and cranked back at high speed with lots of
tip action. Another good bait is a strip of - 
yep mackerel, 3" long the width of your pinkie finger. 
    Light fly rods are also a blast - my first fly
rod fish was a mackerel in Beverly Harbor in the
late 60s and they're still as much fun as ever.
Small (3") flies that imitate sand eels are best.
Mackerel travel in pretty large schools but they 
move through open water pretty fast, so you get
these furious 15 minute flurries followed by 
nothing. In more sheltered water they hang around 
more, and would probably come real well to a
chum slick but I've never tried one....

                                   jc in me.
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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:33:44 GMT

gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards) writes:

>I have used DuPont Stren as long as I can remember. This year alone, I have
>pulled a 19 foot boat all over Caesar Creek with 6# line. :-) An alternative
>is DuPont's 7/20 (or 14/40 for really big boats). It supposedly the diameter
>(its actually oval) of 7# line with the strength of 20# line. I have never
>used it myself, but Greg (he owns the 19 foot boat) has had pretty good
>luck with it.

	I gave up on stren years ago, even though I can get the stuff free.
(don't ask).  Just too much unexplained breakage and memory.  Don't even
buy the oval line.  It's a good ideal on paper that just didn't work.