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From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Nukes Over Iraq?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 11:57 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In article <1992Oct15.164144.3318@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes...
>Is it true that General Schwartzkoppf suggested exploding a 
>nuclear device high above Iraq in the beginning of the Gulf war,
>in order to screw up their communications (like in the movie
>"The Day After" when all electronic devices fail when the nuke
>explodes)? Does this idea have any scientific basis?

Yes.  The EMP, or Electromagnetic Pulse, from a nuclear detonation can
fry sensitive transistors, and perhaps other components,  and kill 
electronic equipment.  Old fashion tubes are more or less immune, but not
widely used today, even in Iraq.

By detonating the bomb high above a city, you get a nice spread for the
pulse.  

-Scott
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From: Ben Masel <bmasel@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:35 PDT
Subject: PRISONERS RIGHT TO VOTE
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Oct 10 01:35:00 1992


						516 E Mifflin #4
						Madison, WI 53703
						608-257-5456 Oct.
						4, 1992

Rick Raemisch, Dane County Sheriff 210 Martin Luther King Blvd.

	As I am sure you are aware, I have declared my candidacy
for the office you currently hold, and to which you seek
re-election. I have registered my candidacy with the Dane County
Clerk. This letter formally notifies you of my intention to
personally campaign among the elegible voters in your custody at
the Dane County Jail and Ferris Center. I intend to visit these
prisoners in company of a voter registrar. We will be willing to
submit to a search before entering secured areas.

	You are reported in the Oct. 1 Isthmus as being unwilling
to approve my visit citing security concerns.  In view of my
willingness to co- operate on particulars in arranging access, I
can only conclude that your real reason for obstructing such
visits is concern for your job security.

	If this is indeed the case I believe your use of your
position to obstruct my campaign activity constitutes malfeasance
sufficient to cause your removal from office and criminal
prosecution. In any event I am prepared to bring action before the
Wisconsin Elections Board and/or Dane County Circuit Court to
compel access to all eligible voters in your custody.

	I also hereby request (persuent to the Wisconsin Open
Records Law) to be informed of any arrangement your department has
made to enable all eligible voters in your custody on Nov. 3 to
exercise their right to vote, and to inform them of the steps they
must take to do so. When I was in custody in the Ferris Center in
1986 I was told prisoners would only be allowed to vote by
absentee ballot. This is insufficient, as it disenfranchises any
individual placed in custody after the absentee voting deadline. I
strongly recomend you immediately take steps to insure sufficient
staffing for Nov. 3 that prisoners unable to vote absentee may be
safely escorted to their designated polling place. Since there are
candidates for Federal office on the Ballot this year, your
failure to do so could violate Federal, as well as Wisconsin,
Election Law.

					Tenaciously yours, Ben
					Masel Write-In Candidate
					for Dane County Sherriff
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: FDR and Pearl Harbor
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:44:00 GMT
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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The simple fact of the matter is that the U.S.A. attacked the Japanese first.
The United States supplied the flying tigers with front line fighter aircraft
and U.S. trained pilots well before the attack on Pearl Harbor.  Can you
imagine the outcry if we were to provide pilots and F16's to fly combat
missions against another nation and maintain that it isn't an act of war
because the pilots aren't on active duty in the U.S.A.F.?  But the victors
write history, so our history states that the Japanese started the war 
against us.

Casey Hanlon 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Electoral College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:11:53 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Is the Electoral College needed anymore?

Reasoning behind the Electoral College:
  1.  When Constitution was written, counting popular vote would 
        have been a horrendous task(good for early 1800's).
  2.  People were not educated enough to choose the president(hmmm).
  3.  Offset the effects of local corruption.
  
   (if there are others, please add them)

Why we should get rid of the Electoral College:
  1.  Computers can now easily count the popular vote.
  2.  People are better educated and understand some of the issues
      (I refuse to state that all voters understand the issues)
  3.  Winner-Take-All system heightens local corruption in larger
        states.
  4.  Electors do "not" have to vote for the candidate they are pledged
        to.
  5.  The president and vice president are the only elected officials not
        elected by popular vote.
  

  The American people only choose one branch of their government(Congress), 
and they often only choose between two parties.  Compared to many countries,
we are not even close to democracy.  We are much closer to totalitarianism
than we think.  And no, I am not a John Bircher.


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: FDR and Pearl Harbor
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:12:13 GMT

As I heard it, the Japanese government sent a written communication to FDR
stating that they were going to bomb Pearl Harbor.  The communication was
written in Japanese and it took six hours to translate.  There wasn't much time
left to prepare for the attack, but the was SOME time.
--Ray Cote
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 9 Oct 1992 11:30:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Chip Salzenberg (not Berlet :) responds to my appeal to focus on
the question of LaRouche's beliefs by observing that "Actions speak
louder than words, sometimes". I would observe that the principal
"action" engaged in by LaRouche et. al. is to publicize their beliefs,
whether by running for office, selling New Federalist, or spending
hundresd of thousands of ### putting Lyn on TV. In a case like this
the words are the action zand it would be well for supporters, critics,
and the merely curious to listen carefully, and evaluate.

-Steve
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From: spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:56:18 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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In article <1992Oct12.164325.11596@walter.cray.com> jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll) writes:
>1. define "politics of exclusion, division, and fear". give examples.

Willie Horton.  The Nixon "Southern Strategy."  "Family values."  Pat
Buchannan's (sp?) "Culture war."  David Duke.  The 1992 Republican
Party platform.

>2. define "allow such hatred to rule the day". give examples.

See above.

>3. is Bill Clinton a personal friend of yours?

Never heard of the bum.

							spl
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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Blue Moon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:26:52 GMT

grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:

>>not forget the fear tactics that the Dem's are using on the economy in order
>>to avoid the question regarding the 1990 tax bill and their tax/spend history
>>since FDR introduced socialism (excuse me, the PC term is now "economic
>>democracy") to the US.

>Well, honey, that "socialism" got us out of that Depression.

 Actually, it didn't do anything at the time. WWII got us out of the
depression. Those socialist programs have hurt the economy in the years
since though...
-- 
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        Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed.
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part 3, RADIOACTIVE MEAT, MILK & PRODUCE: Supermarkets Selling Leukemia
Keywords: alleged radioactive meat, milk & produce: supermarkets selling leukemia
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:12:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I've been patiently waiting for some quantification of just how much
alleged contamination is supposed to be in this allegedly contaminated
fertilizer.  Is this just more "parts-per-quadrillion" silliness?
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From: tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: PRISONERS RIGHT TO VOTE
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:36:10 GMT
Organization: UMCC


  I give you credit for trying to direct your campaign towards your true
peers.


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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Hello...
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:44:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I happened to come across two files that I obtained on Canada
	Remote Systems a while back. They were written by a Milton
	William Cooper. (Probably a pseudonym).

... actually, no - that's his name.  He is more popularly known as
Bill Cooper.

	In one file, he speaks of his role in the US Navy and what he
	saw on UFOs. And the other file, he speaks about the JFK
	assassination. Personally, I think its a bogus file and have
	heard that he has recanted his theory.

... well, last I heard, ol' Bill was still peddling his JFK theories,
but had dropped out of UFO-ism (after claiming all electronic
UFO-related documents bearing his name were not written by him -- i.e.
that they were all fakes, but that he didn't fake them -- though he
did not claim this until after he "got out" of the UFO biz.  Still
with me?  Good.)  His "driver shot" photo has been pretty much
determined to be shall we say, creatively enhanced, from the Zapruder
film.

	Because apparently, he has been to some World Life Expo in San
	Diego (1990) and he once again, spoke about the UFO presence
	as an Navy guy and even stated at this conference, with LIVE
	footage and audience apparently shocked, of Greer shooting the
	'mercy shot'.

... I guess some people shock easily.  (In any case, an audience
"being shocked" doesn't say anything one way or another to the 
truth of something.)

	Now, if he answers, he might really be someone. However, I
	want to know if anyone has seen these files before by this
	Cooper, and heard of the UFO-MJ12/JFK assassination connection.

... yep, they've been circulated around a couple of times.  His UFO
ideas have showed up here an there (or he's inserted other people's
ideas into his own patchwork; its hard to tell; so far as I know he's
the only proponent of the Greer theme.)   The MJ12/JFK thing comes
originally from John Lear, by the way.

   My suggestion is to take the things Mr. Cooper says with a large
grain of salt (as large a one as you can find, in fact.)  For
instance, Mr. Cooper was not (ever) an officer in the USN - the
highest rank he ever acheived being E6.  He's generally considered a
"fringe" element.  I hear he has his own satellite tv show on
Monday/Tues/Wednesday (dunno what satellite or transponder, sorry.)
The last phone number I have on him is 310-281-8222 (which is
apparently an answering machine -- I haven't called it.)  Please
let us (or at least me) know what you find out - I'd be interested
to hear!

Hope this helps,

Charles
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Subject: "Why Was Patty Hearst Kidnapped":  From PREVAILING WINDS RESEARCH 
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:19:04 GMT
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From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Subject: Re: mortal error --> Accoustics?
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:17:52 GMT

In <6OCT199217104387@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.044611.6483@qualcomm.com>, karn@chicago.qualcomm.com 
>writes...
>>In article <schuck.717908982@sfu.ca>, schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan 
>>Schuck) writes:
>>|> Hickey is describing a 'double' shot . Such a double shot, .8
>>|> seconds apart is heard on the HSCA acoustical evidence tape.

>>How come nobody ever considers the fact that Dealy Plaza is surrounded
>>by tall buildings and various other structures that are excellent
>>acoustic reflectors? Work out the various distances, divide by the
>>speed of sound, and I think you'll find it easy to explain
>>observations like these.

>You have a point, however, each of the three WCR shots should be followed 
>on the dictabelt by a reflection (echo, whatever) based on this.  They are 
>not.  (To really muddy the water, one could theorize that the "double" shot 
>is actually a single shot from the knoll with an echo off of the TSBD :-) )

Don't be silly. The 'accoustic fingerprint" made by the HSCA accoustics
panel consist of a collection of reflection peaks spaced very closely in
the 'phonogram' of each shot (so, indeed, they measured reflections). 
I guess, in such a fingerprint only reflections on buildings that were 
close matter. Don't forget that the energy of the sound waves falls 
off with roughly the square of the distance. So if I register the sound 
of a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD while standing at the corner 
of Houston and Elm (at say 25 meters), and its reflection 0.8 secs later, 
the reflected sound will have travelled 0.8x330 meters = 264 meters. 
The energy ratio of the two sound waves will be approximately 
(25/264)*(25/264) = 0.009. To me it seems highly unlikely that these 
two sounds will be perceived as a "double shot". Conclusion: most
clearly seperated "double shots" will indeed be *two* shots.

This reasoning answers a question that has troubled me for some time:
how is it possible that the '79 HSCA phonogram matches a '63 dictabelt
recording if you consider the fact that there have been considerable
building activities in this neighbourhood?
Answer: the new buildings are simply too far to make a difference in the
fingerprint.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Subject: Re: mortal error
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:20:49 GMT

In <schuck.718524830@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:

[...]

>Olivier also did similar tests. Only one out of 10 skulls filled with
>gelatin fell off a podium when hit by a 6.5mm FMJ round, and it just
>fell off, it didn't move with any velocity.

Do you mean that 9 out of 10 skulls didn't move? Or that they moved
in the direction the bullet went to?
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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors
Subject: Re: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:44:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

That's no hacker deleting those posts! It *must* be the coup plotters!
:) :) :) :) :)
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From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Subject: Re: CIA Agent confesses to buying rifles
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:41:11 GMT

In article <schuck.718438757@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>No. The rifle found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was a 6.5mm
>rifle. Thats if you ignore the fact that the officers who found the
>rifle said it was a Mauser.

One of the officers thought at first that it was Mauser, because it
resembled one. He was not a firearms identification expert. When
an expert examined the rifle, the true identification came out shortly
thereafter.

>The bullets that struck JFK and Connally may have been 6.5mm or they
>may not have been. The 'magic' bullet was no more damged than a bullet
>fired into a water tank.

The "magic" bullet was not as pristine as is often alleged. It was
significantly flattened sideways, and it had small pieces missing.
This was entirely consistent with the theory that it passed through
Kennedy's neck and Connally's chest without hitting any bone until it
finally hit Connally's wrist and stopped. By this time the bullet had
lost so much energy from passing through flesh that it did not
disintegrate. But its sideways flattening is consistent with it having
yawed in the air between Kennedy and Connally, and in fact the
entrance wound on Connally's back was oval in shape (which strongly
indicates that Connally was not hit with a direct bullet, which is
stable because of the spin imparted by the rifling in the barrel).

This theory has been strongly supported by ballistics tests and
analyses of the bullet's orientation and velocity at each point in its
flight. Have you repeated these tests yourself, or are you simply
asserting what you think "must" be true? If the latter, I'll go with
the test results, at least until they are demonstrated to be invalid
by somebody other than an armchair conspiracist.

>There is *no* evidence either bullet ever entered a human being.

No? Then what caused the bullet holes in Kennedy and Connally? Remember
that the limo and surrounding area on Elm Street were thoroughly
searched for evidence of further bullets.

>Again, the rifle supposedly found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was a
>6.5mm rifle. There is no proof it was fired that day. 

Well, finding bullets and bullet fragments in the limo and on
Connally's stretcher that were shown to have been fired from Oswald's
rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons, plus immediate eyewitness
reports that a rifle was fired from the TSBD, etc, etc, seems like
pretty good proof to me. Beyond a reasonable doubt, anyway. If Oswald
had lived and I were on the jury at his trial, I wouldn't have any
problem in voting "guilty" on the basis of this evidence. And I'm
normally *very* skeptical of the government and conscious of the
rights of a criminal defendant.

>Plausible? The fact that the rifles transported to Dalls were 7.35mm
>does not rule them out as assassination rifles.

It does when the recovered bullets were identified as 6.5mm and were
shown to have come from the C2766 rifle (Oswald's) to the exclusion
of all other weapons...

Phil