HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Treatment for Brain Tumor
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:23:04 GMT

In <des.44@helix.nih.gov> des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim) writes:

>In article <dcox-161092153645@dcoxmac.nswc.navy.mil> dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil  (David Cox) writes:

>>I am posting this for a friend at work whose husband has
>>"glioblastoma," apparently an inoperable form of brain
>>tumor.

>There is a center in Houston, run by Dr. Burzynski, that has achieved some 
>documented cures of brain tumors that are not curable by standard 
>therapies.  His antineoplastin therapy is unconventional and its mechanism 
>is not well understood, but his medical track record is carefully documented 
>and does include several cures of intractable brain tumors.

	Within the past six months, either Time or Newsweek, in addition
to the net, has reported on some preliminary research for inoperable
brain tumors.  Naturally, I don't remember details when it's important.
The gist of it was that the tumor is about the only growing thing in the
brain, so injecting a virus (or some such thing that only goes after
growing tissue) and then injecting an anti-viral compound later on will
kill the tumor and not the brain cells.  Last I heard, it was showing
some remarkable success in rats, but nothing much has been reported in
the popular media since then.  Looking at Time first, then Newsweek,
should provide you with a source to contact for information.

	I posted this because I'd like to know if this procedure has
been approved for use on humans yet, especially those who do not
respond to other treatment, and if this is indeed the treatment that
is being discussed on Compuserve.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct8.182820.8886@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>
>Yes, then I think you have a _real_ problem, because a significant
>proportion of your everyday patients probably fall into that category too.
>But you do the group an injustice.  Most of the readers are just as capable
>of rejecting the bogus as you are. 

What is the injustice that I am doing to this group? My impression from
mail is that while the readers of this group are often fairly sophisti-
cated, the posters on this group are not. As for my patients, they vary
in sophistication, but their questions are never on such a low level
as some of the tripe in this newsgroup. By the way, communication with
my patients is not the problem you seem to be inferring - I spent quite
a bit of time with them and make sure we are on the same wavelength
before they go home.

>Why do you think another group will make the fringe leave sci.med?  _They_
>are just as interested in spreading their views as are yourself, Dyers,
>Banks etc. are compelled to counter them.  No all another group will do is
>create an audience for the fringe views.

I have no illusions about people leaving sci.med. I would like to
find a newsgroup where professional people in medicine could communicate,
period. I do sometimes answer questions here, but that is not my
interest at all.

I don't know why people react to Gordon the way they do. If you must know,
in real life, I am the one who is the flaming asshole. Gordon is quite
benign, well-behaved, and well-thought-of by everyone. 


>
>>I wash my hands after every posting, by the way, and pray that
>>my colleagues never discover this disgusting habit.
>
>Bizarre this compulsion to post to the net against all instincts, isn't it?
>That's clearly another problem.  But at least it gives us some insight into
>other compulsive behaviour, doesn't it.

You have about as good a sense of humor as Herman...


 -km
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From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Gamma hydroxy butyrate =?= Human Growth Hormone releaser
Keywords: Human Growth Hormone releaser
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:49:13 GMT

jdeifik@isi.edu (Jeff Deifik) writes:

| I am interested in human growth hormone releasers. A few years ago a friend
| of mine was taking gamma hydroxy butyrate,

The FDA took it off the market because the stuff was obviously harming
people.

Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw recommend strongly against using the stuff,
if that holds any sway with you.  They related a very dangerous experience
with it in their newsletter a few years ago.

Pearson was using it for growth hormone release and reported that it
induced "hypnogogic nightmares".  He described this as a violent
dream wherein you had to attack stomething.  Simultaneously, tho,
the brain's mechanism for immobilizing you while you're dreaming
was disabled.  So while still quite "asleep", he was thrashing around
violently in bed.

Fortunately, he says, his wife Sandy Shaw was not in the bed at the
time or she would have been seriously injured.

They reported hearing anectodal evidence of similar experiences in
several other people as well.

So if you're interested in growth hormone releasers, pick a different one.

Best Wishes

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 


Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
sickness itself.
From: sean@cs.arizona.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Dystonia (sp?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:30:53 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


This weeks PBS show "Scientific American Frontiers" had a 
segment on the treatment of Dystonia(sp?); a condition caused 
by the chronic over stimulation of specific mussels. This 
condition was treated by at NIH by injecting the offending 
mussels with minute amounts of botulism toxin. A long acting 
(6 months) neurotoxin. I am interested in any information on or 
references to this condition. Also I did not get the name of the 
Doctor at NIH.

Sean W. O'Malley

email response (sean@cs.arizona.edu) would be appreciated
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From: saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen)
Subject: Re: What body temp for cardiac surgery?
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:22:28 GMT

luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos) writes:



>Considering that it is now 28 C. here in San Jose and I am perspiring,
>this figure is certainly incorrect. The normal body temperature is 
>around 28.7 I think. I am assuming that by C we mean Celsius orCentigrades.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Are all the remaining figures correct ? The freezing point
>of water is 0 C. 18 C is pleasant ambient temperature and 28 C is hot.
>One can withstand tempreature of up tp 50 C for brief periods.

>Luis

Not being a medical expert, I can still reveal that normal body temperature
is 36-37 Celsius. If your body temperature is 28.7 C, I suggest seeing
a doctor immediately, if you still can get to one.

>Get your facts first;
>then you can distort them 
>as much as you like.

Yes, this is a good idea indeed.
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Christian Science Folly (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:04:49 GMT

In article <16890@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.123850.1246@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>>>
>>Does anyone have information about how long Christian Scientists live?
>>
>
>Not as long as Mormons or 7th Day Adventists, but I think they don't
>smoke or drink like the population at large.

Ok, but how _does_ their longevity compare to that of the average person,
or perhaps the average non-smoking non-drinker?

                                 Nancy Lebovitz
                                 nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
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From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Don't Bring Lists (was Re: mitral valve prolapse and need for antibiotics?)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:47:55 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <16791@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>We were taught very early in medical school to be extremely wary of
>patients who bring in lists of symptoms or questions. I only pay
>attention to things patients can tell me myself.

Aiiieee!  My primary care physician belongs to an HMO; my obstetrician
is clearly working at capacity, and his practice is scheduled very
tightly.  When I come to visit either, I have about a thirty-second
window at visit's end in which to ask questions; after that, the
doctor disappears.  I occasionally prepare short lists of questions as
a reminder ("Do you do routine episiotomies?  Is it normal to
have symptom X during the first trimester?  Did you get the results of
test Y from my last visit?")  If I don't prepare the list, I may miss
my chance to get information simply because I'm still flustered
from the pelvic examination, ultrasound, or whatever.

The rule of thumb that Ken cites seems to me to date from a more
leisured era of medical care.  I can understand why a doctor becomes
nervous when confronted with a list of symptoms rivalling Leporello's
list of conquests.  But a list of nagging questions may only indicate
a patient who is trying to make efficient use of a physician's
tightly scheduled time.
-- 
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Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: DFP10@ALBNYVM1.BITNET ("Donald F. Parsons MD")
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Adolescent smoking in Japan and USA
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:53:58 GMT

Does anyone have info on this? A correlation between adolescent
smoking and breast cancer has been demonstrated (Palmer et al., 1991
Am J Epedemiology 134: 1-13) for US and Canada. However Japan even now
still has a much lower rate of breast cancer. Have adolescents in Japan
been slower to start smoking? Don

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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:07:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) says:
>yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>	a pill or an antedote.  I mean if you are allergic to cats
>>	do you keep cats and take antihistimines, or get rid of the
>>	cats.
>>	This is simple.
>
>You take antihistimines and keep the cats, obviously.

I thought it was a rhetorical question--obviously, you keep the cats.

>Imagine, a household without cats.  What a dreary place.

It's depressing to even think about a house without cats.

>Is such a life worth living?

Not at all.

*Pooh Bare
-- 
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fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
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From: tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Re: "Problem Patient"
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:20:09 GMT

In article <16826@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:

>There also is a proposal
>to have a registry of who has been sued for malpractice.  

Does this literally mean 'sued' or do they mean 'convicted 
or the equivalent law term' of malpractice.

>Obviously many good physicians in risky specialities (e.g. neurosurgery,
>orthopedics) are almost continually being sued due to the nature
>of their specialty, and would not like the inference that this
>means they are bad doctors (which is probably what most laypeople
>would conclude from statistics on lawsuits).  It is interesting
>to me that the best neurologist in our department has been sued
>more than any other one, although he has won all his suits (actually
>none of them even got to the trial stage before being dropped, 
>but that still would be reported in the registry, I believe).

Exactly.  What happened to the term 'innocent until proven guilty'.
Seems to me this proposal is counter-productive.  This proposal could
ruin a physicians reputation and directly or indirectly deprive a
patient or patients of the quality care they need and desire.  I
do not object to listing physicians who have settled or who have 
lost a malpractice suit in court, but I do object to the listing of any
physician who has simply been accused.  Nope.  I don't like it one
bit.

                                           |
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up  (was: alternative medicine newsgroup)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:34:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.223434.3381
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct8.201209.6202@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>I doubt any of this will satisfy you, but I'm still waiting for the 
>explanation of how aspirin works.

Selective amnesia, I see.  I've posted on this topic many many times during
the time you've lurked here.  Plus, I've have repeatedly offered to
read and review any studies you have which demonstrate efficacy of
alternative methodlogies; such a remark of mine is usually sufficient
to make you disappear from sci.med for a least a month or so.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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Subject: Re: SHINGLES
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:37:11 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <2701@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.163528.7813@philabs.philips.com> 
>dsr@philabs.philips.com (Deborah S. Rech) writes:
>> More circumstantial evidence on the connection between shingles and 
>chicken
>> pox...
>> 
>> My husband's one and only attack of shingles occurred immediately after 
>our 
>> 2-year-old son had chicken pox.  Our MD also said this was a coincidence.
>
> And I know a 2YO who came down with chicken pox right after his father 
>got shingles.  Could this really be a coincidence?
>

Could the CHILD have caught the virus from the PARENT?  Perhaps the parent
sheds virus a week or more before he gets shingles.

-dk
From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Examining hands during a physical
Followup-To: sci.med
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:47:25 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.157.31

I saw my doctor for a physical yesterday, and when we got to the exam part,
the first thing she did was ask me to hold out my hands so she could look
at the palms and backs of them.  When I remembered this later, it struck me
as kind of odd; I can't remember a doctor doing that before.  So now I'm
curious.  Next time I see her I'll ask why she did this, but in the
meantime can anyone offer any guesses?

Thanks

--
John Werner                         werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education     510-642-9651
Xref: sparky sci.med:18814 sci.med.occupational:118 news.answers:3350
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Centigrade (was: What body temp for cardiac surgery?)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:35:28 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <1687B77B5.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:

> 
>  F      C
> ---    ---
>  98.6   37    Human body temp

One of my pet peeves is phoney significant figures.

Human variability being what it is, body temperature is somewhere between 36
1/2 and 37 1/2.  There is this much variation between individuals and even one
individual will have swings of a couple of tenths of a degree C during the day.

The ".6" in "98.6" came from a conversion, and is not a "significant figute".
It should have been rounded either as 99 or 98, or perhaps 98 1/2.

-dk
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From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cystic Fibrosis Research?
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.024900.134824@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>A twelve year old neighbor of mine has a deep voice for a girl and
>coughs a lot.  I asked if she had been yelling a game or something
>like that.  But no, it turns out that she has Cystic Fibrosis (CF).
>
>Does anyone know the state of the current research on CF?
>I read that CF is a genetic disorder.  Is it possible to 
>cure a genetic disorder?   What is the life expectancy of a  CF
>patient nowadays?  (that is, assuming that she follows the instructions of the 
>physician.)
>
>-- 
>--
> Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
> From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state

CF is an inherited disease which is extremely common in the white population
(approx 1 in 2000) births. It is autosomal recessive. The CF gene has
been isolated and is on Chrom 7. The primary defect appears to be problems
with substance transport across cell membranes and effects cells/organs
with exocrine function.

Children with CF used to die in their teens, however, that has been
improving and I think that recent data show CF patients living into
their late 20's. They develop progressive pulmonary problems with
recurrent infections, bronchiectasis (airways get larger, instead of
smaller as the go out, trapping mucous, bacteria, etc), hemoptysis
(coughing up blood), airway obstruction (difficulty getting air out),
cor pulmonale (essentially right heart failure from pumping blood
through diseased lungs).

Pancreatic insufficiency is very common as is sinus involvement. The
goal of therapy is to keep the lungs clear of pus and active
infection. Currently, there is no cure. Lung transplantation (not
a cure) is being performed, however conclusive data as to long-term
benefit is not available.

-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Amyl nitrate
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 14:35:43 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University
Keywords: Amyl Nitrate Legality

In article <1992Oct8.025349.5419@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>I'd be grateful if someone could tell me
>(preferably by e-mail)_
>
>1) Is the use of amyl nitrate restricted to gays?

    Yes...by international law.  Jeez.

    BTW, it's amyl nitrite.

>2) Is it legal to own amyl nitrate in most countries?

    As far as I know, it is.  In the USA, it depends on what state you're
in.  When legal, it is for use as an "air freshener".

>3) Is its use generally legal or illegal?

    See above.

>4) Is its use dangerous? Has anyone died from it?

    Can be, especially in those with hypertension.  Yup.


-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:35:51 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.122825.13082@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

|> 	This reminds me of a TRUE story I saw in a movie on TV.
|> 	Two girls were born. One with an inherited heart problem of
|> 	some type, and the other perfectly normal.  After birth and
|> 	initial confirmation of the problem, the babies got swapped.
|> 	The traced the two girls lives.  As they grew the one with
|> 	the "problem" obviously got no medication.  The one WITHOUT
|> 	a problem received all the medication that the other one would
|> 	have.
|> 
|> 	The one with the problem grew, ran, played.  The one WITHOUT
|> 	the problem was tired, sickly, etc., etc.  All a result
|> 	of this medicine.

If this is the same TRUE story I read about, the child with
the congenital heart defect was the one who was sickly and
eventually died.  After her death the switch was discovered
and the parents attempted to get their genetically-related
daughter back.

-- 
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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Whither sci.med?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<16876@pitt.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:33:59 GMT

In article <16876@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:

   I would definitely be interested in a newsgroup or mailing list to
   communicate with other clinicians. The possibilities for arm-chair
   consultation are enormous. As access to nets increase, it really
   might be feasible for docs isolated out in the boonies to get some
   decent information from specialists this way. Of course, the
   lawyers might ruin this for us...

From experience, I suspect that a mailing list is the best way to go
for this.  Even moderated newsgroups can get a lot of readers, who can
flame via email and the like.  The nice thing about a mailing list is
that you can control, to an extent, who receives and sends what.  Of
course, you need a volunteer to get the thing up.

I for one would be VERY sorry to see you go, to say nothing of Dr.
Banks and Steve Dyer.  However, it would be hard for anyone who had
read this newsgroup for a while to deny that it gets those who try to
respond to incorrect information a lot of grief.

Do as you want and need (as if you wouldn't if I didn't say that), and
know that my thanks for your postings here and my best wishes go with
you.  I really hope you stick around as your time permits.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: phc002@art.osaka-med.ac.jp (suzuki)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Half life of Scopolamine butylbromide
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:13:39 GMT
Organization: Osaka Medical College, Takatsuki, Osaka


Hey all,

I want to know the Half life of [ Scopolamine butylbromide ]
( Anticholinergic Drug ).

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Kaoru Suzuki                  Takatsuki-city Osaka JAPAN 
Osaka Medical College Hospital Pharmacy:Drug Information
                       E-mail:phc002@art.osaka-med.ac.jp
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From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: SHINGLES
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:14:49 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <1992Oct6.163528.7813@philabs.philips.com> 
dsr@philabs.philips.com (Deborah S. Rech) writes:
> More circumstantial evidence on the connection between shingles and 
chicken
> pox...
> 
> My husband's one and only attack of shingles occurred immediately after 
our 
> 2-year-old son had chicken pox.  Our MD also said this was a coincidence.

 And I know a 2YO who came down with chicken pox right after his father 
got shingles.  Could this really be a coincidence?

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
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