HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:03:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ua1vm.1687EE1BF.TMCCART3
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <1bckt6INNefp@fido.asd.sgi.com>
kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones) writes:
 
>After the discussion of how red ribbons have become a meaningless
>fashion statement, I found this tidbit interesting:
>
>> (Indianapolis, Indiana) National Red Ribbon Week which promotes the
>> awareness of illegal substance abuse, will be October 24th through
>> November 1st.  Organized by the National Federation of Parents for
>> Drug-Free Youth Incorporation, this year's theme will be ``Drug Free
>> and Proud.'' Activities are planned in numerous communities around
>> the state.
>>
>> Lots of red ribbons will be showing on public buildings, businesses
>> and the lapels of people supporting the effort.
>
>- Ken
I agree about the general trivialization of red ribbons, but Red Ribbon Week
began before red ribbons were sported as a symbol of concern for PWAs. Red
Ribbon Week memorializes an FBI or DEA agent killed in the line of duty (I
can't remember his name, but I think Michael Nouri played him in a made-for-
TV movie -- Jose Camarena or something like that).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Opening Ceremonies for AIDS Memorial Quilt Postponed to Oct. 10
Organization: NDA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:56:16 GMT


Here is a press release from the NAMES Project.

 Opening Ceremonies for AIDS Memorial Quilt Postponed to Oct. 10
 To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor
 Contact: Stacy MacLean of The Rowland Co., 415-512-3512,
          or The NAMES Project, 202-296-2637 (202-29-NAMES)

   News Advisory:

   More than 300,000 celebrities, volunteers, AIDS activists and
and panel makers from around the world will assemble in Washington,
Oct. 10-11, in one of the largest mobilizations ever to draw
attention to AIDS.
   The centerpiece of this mobilization is the NAMES Project AIDS
Memorial Quilt, which will be displayed on the grounds of the
Washington Monument.  The quilt, comprised of more than 20,000 panels
representing persons who have died of AIDS, weighs 30 tons and will
cover an area equivalent to 12 football fields.

   Who:    The NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt

   What:   The International Display of the quilt and a series of
           events including conferences, concerts, theater
           performances and informational talks on AIDS-related
           issues.

  Where:   The grounds of the Washington Monument

   When:   Saturday, Oct. 10 -- 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Opening Ceremonies

           Among those scheduled to participate in the traditional
           reading of the names are: Tipper Gore; Leanza Cornett,
           1992 Miss America; Dr. Antonia Novello, surgeon general
           of the U.S.; Liza Minelli, actress; Lily Tomlin,
           actress; Sharon Pratt Kelly, mayor of Washington;
           Rep. Pat Schroeder; Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of
           the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious
           Diseases; and Mary Fisher and Bob Hattoy who spoke
           at the Republican and Democratic conventions.

           6:30 - Candlelight march begins at the Ellipse

           Sunday, Oct. 11 -- 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.  Closing Ceremonies

    Details:
    Laid on America's front yard three weeks before the
presidential election, the quilt will call the world's attention to
the escalating AIDS epidemic.  The display in Washington will take
place in conjuction with an enormous gathering of AIDS-related
service organizations.  The quilt's International Display will
include panels from 18 countries, providing a unique forum for
HIV/AIDS education and prevention and helping to raise public
awareness and revitalize volunteerism.  Celebrities, AIDS activists
and panel makers will be available to speak with the media about
their personal experiences with the AIDS pandemic.
 -30-

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Scott Lively convicted, and this week's hate crimes
Keywords: OCA, Measure 9, hate crimes
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:55:22 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1bf3fbINNa8r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu
(Tane' Tachyon) writes [regarding the Ann Frank exhibit]:

>There was a picture of Amsterdam's memorial to the
>LGB people killed by the Nazis.

	This is good to hear, but I have one small nit to
	pick.  I believe that this is a common misconception
	about the Homomonument, and that it is actually a
	monument to *all* of us.

	FJ!! will, of course, correct me if I'm wrong --
	and if he sees this.


--
Ignorant people think it's the *noise* which fighting cats make
that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:39:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.163957.19860
Organization: insert anything here

jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>> Living in New York City as I do, I am often unhappy
>> witness to appearance trends which one assumes will 
>> eventually be assigned to the column of unfortunate
>> mistakes which includes but is not limited to avocado
>                                                ^^^^^^^
>> gold appliances and Quiana shirts in antique car patterns.
>  ^^^^

>Uh, it's avocado *green* or *harvest* gold.  In the 70's you obviously
>spent more time at the disco than in the kitchen.  Avocado gold sounds
>like some kind of tequila based chip dip.  Of course to be fashionable
>today it would teal or Navajo white...which I hope doesn't turn out to
>be unfortunate mistake too soon.  

	no, no, no, no, no.  Avocado gold as everyone
knows is a trippy guacamole dip made from the edible components
of cross-pollenating avocado and cannibis.

	The hard part of course is keepingthem lit.

	The advantage is that you get  your high and muchies too.


BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Pickford as Desmond:  in closing
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:33:40 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
(Zzzzzzzz!)

	Now for something, much more interesting and motss-relevant.

	I've been fucked in Mary Pickford's bedroom.  Actually
probably it was Douglas Fairbanks bedroom.  More than once.

	No, it wasn't in PickFair, it was in their apartment
closer to the studios that they used when they didn't feel like
traveling all the way back to PickFair after working at the studio.
[I don't remember the address, but it's a 5-6 story apartment building
with a wing attached that has a turret on the 2nd-3rd floors.]  My
first boyfriend lived in it (the wing) for a little while.  (He referred to
the room as the "Fairbanks/Flynn suite".)  The building is
near Chaplin's home.

	The heating didn't work all that well.  Caught a cold.

BBC
From: jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Seth Byrn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Gay paraphernalia(sp?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Seth Byrn)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: jsb@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu


 
Hi, I'm looking for places that sell gay paraphernalia such as pink
triangle stickers, pins, T-shirts, etc via mail order.  I heard of
one place called Lambda Rising but I don't have an address or phone
number.  I know it sounds stupid, but I've recently made the decision
to "come out" and I think the most effective way of letting everyone
know is by having stuff like this.  There are so many people and I
would go insane if I had to tell each one of them individually. 
Besides, I think it would be really awesome to have one of those
2QT2BSTR8 T-shirts, and a nice triangle pin to stick on my backpack :)
 
By the way, if anyone has other ideas for 'letting people know' please
tell them to me.  I'm having a really difficult time dealing with this
myself and I want to make others as comfortable with it as possible.
 
Jeremy
jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Red Rubbon Rant
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:35:17 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


Jeff,

In article <ld0qicINN9ad@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com
(Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>I fucking hate those damn red ribbons which seem to be
>more and more popular.

	Emotionally, I know what you mean.
	Logically and practically, I just can't agree.

>Compassion of PWAs and PWARCs should
>be standard equipment, not something to announce via a fucking
>ribbon.

	Of course it should.  But if people in
	televisionland are dumb enough that they need to
	be reminded of this -- and undoubtedly some are --
	then I can't object to the reminder.
>
>Why does every fucking celebrity wear one when making an acceptance
>speech?  
>
>Because it makes you look sympathetic without you having to do anything.

	Again, I half agree.  I'm sure some ribbon wearers
	are doing so cynically.  I'm sure some others --
	in show business, likely MANY others -- have seen
	things such as we've seen, and have helped in one
	or many ways.  How can you tell?  You can't.
	I 'd rather give the benefit of doubt (except for
	Barbara B., of course).

	We don't need a reminder, but I'm not averse to
	reminding those who *don't* live with it daily.

>Fuck yer ribbon.
>FWA

	Guess I'm feeling less curmudgeonly than you today
	-- which is a change!

	-R


--
Ignorant people think it's the *noise* which fighting cats make
that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: hospitality, peanut butter, & pickles
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:49:00 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


George Dalton Madison (Furr@cup.portal.com):
 
> J. N. Shaumeyer writes:
> > Face it: some people wax, some people don't
> > distinguish between 'envy' and 'jealousy'.
> 
> I shall, but I'm not sure if both of these are offenses of equal
> magnitude... nor am I certain which is the worst (though I lean
> toward waxing as the worst).

It's hard to say; both are heinous.

> > Absurd.  I'm already designing the menu around peanut 
> > butter & pickles.  An intimate dinner, for two.
> 
> I can just see some of those on .motss who obsess on food
> twitching at the above image.  ;-)

Well, no comment then about people who could
broaden their horizons.

> On the other hand, the
> phrase "intimate dinner" tends to leave me more amused than
> anything else; I'm not entirely sure why.  

Modesty prevents my suggesting a reason.

> I suspect it has
> to do with my rather utilitarian approach to food.

I have no particular problem there.  I like
just food, good food, and fine food; it's possible
to have an educated palate that enjoys eating
the vernacular.

There was a point to the "intimate dinner":
the unspoken thought was, if the dinner's for
you, and you would enjoy pb&p, *that's* what's
on the menu, and the rest of the invitees can
shove off if they don't like it.

The point is that there are times when the
dinner is the event, and times when the
diners are the event.

By the way, Huntsville turns out to be
Happy Bear-Hunting Grounds; I plan a fuller
report elsewhere as soon as time permits
[yeah--we've heard *that* before].  Anyway,
there was one specimen to be cherished,
a beard with fine gradation of color and
proudly descending at least 16" from the
wearer's chin.  I thought of you.

I didn't get a chance to ask how he liked
his peanut butter.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:04:02 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <thaaang.718948398@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John
>Dorrance) wrote:
> 
>> Sideburn victim.

>Is *he* the one that brought that *beastly* style back!?

No, *we* did. He just brought it to the mainstream and *made* it beastly.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: carlton@scws1.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:15:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: scws1.CARLTON.92Oct7171528
 <CARLTON.92Oct7085238@scws8.harvard.edu> <1992Oct7.160729.28914@spdcc.com>
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com's message of 7 Oct 92 16:07:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.160729.28914@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

> I am at a loss to understand what these testimonies mean, other than to
> state the obvious: this knowledge isn't innate, and even a college education
> isn't enough to guarantee a certain base of cultural literacy.  Arne's point
> is that her apotheosis as an icon transcends individual familiarity as her
> image is appropriated into mass images of culture.  That you haven't heard
> of her or recognize her role may reflect sheer perversity, insularity
> or simple disinterest, but it's not particularly relevant in any case.

I was replying to a statement of Arne's (in article
<1atd2qINNt2p@mizar.usc.edu>) that

+ Well, Nelson, it's like this.  You may not have heard
+ of her, but there isn't a chance in hell that you wouldn't
+ have recognized her face, unless you'd spent your entire
+ life staring at a slide rule.

I am simply claiming that, while this may or may not have been true
for Nelson, it was true that I wouldn't have recognized her face.
Earlier, in message <1at35iINNngi@mizar.usc.edu>, Arne said:

++ Dietrich happens not only to be very dead today,
++ but just as potent an icon as she ever was in life.

If this were true, Nelson and I would have heard of her.  While I'm
not all that plugged in to today's pop culture, I'm not completely out
of touch, and certainly the names of movie stars, singers, and other
such people get bandied about enough that I'm aware of (almost) all of
the current stars, and of some of the ones of the past.  I'm willing
to accept that images coming out of her are all over the place, but
the term "icon" is, to me, a lot more concrete than that, and saying
that "X is an icon" is a statement about X or about pictures of X, not
about current images that are in some way descended from pictures of X
but have lost any overt connection with X.

Obviously, however, my understating of that statement is rather
different from how other people are using it; at any rate, I
understand what you are saying now, or at least understand it better.

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

       I hope something GOOD came in the mail today so I have a REASON
       to live!!
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Lonster (was: Re: Oregon on Today Show this morning)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:16 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <Bvx7Lz.AKn@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com
(Brent Capps) writes:

>Yep, Lon Mabon is not exactly [...]

>And it was said that his sphinchter was *three* *sizes* too
>small.

*What* sphincter?

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:55:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Oct7.155513.27816
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>>The Examiner reports that Quayle's press secretary, David
>>Beckwith, at one point in the proceedings, charged that
>>Bill Clinton "advocated affirmative action for gays."
>
>Can someone explain to me how the campaign staff of the vice president
>of America can actually *lie* like this, and get away with it? It's
>astounding to me. This is a direct and deliberate misrepresentation of
>Bill Clinton's position on gay rights - how can he say it?

Another good question:  What business does the Vice President's
press secretary -- a *government* employee -- have meddling in
a political campaign?  Same question goes for Marlin Fitzwater,
the White House press secretary.  These guys are on the *public*
payroll, not the campaign's...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 02:36:16 GMT


In article <ldrticINNn6h@spim.mti.sgi.com>
dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>However, wasting bandwidth for exchanging insults is not
>worth anybody's effort...

In my opinion, that's a value judgment best left to those
whose effort is involved.  If you check out news.lists, the
bandwidth of soc.motss -- *all* of it, not just the exchange
of insults -- is hardly of such a stature as to count for
waste in the larger scheme of things.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Flu season is coming
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.041320.2150@cs.mcgill.ca> akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.010549.13754@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
>writes:
>>A reminder: flu season is coming up.
>
>Newsflash:  It been here for nearly a month now!  Of course, in some places
>a few hours north, snow too has arrived (and melted right away thank god).
>
>There is a particularly tough bug that is going around, it took me a good
>week to get rid of it instead of the usual 2 - 3 days.  I don't have time

this year's vaccine includes a TEXAS strain. (seriously!)
and you know how hard it is to get rid of a texan! :-) :-)

or is that rid a texan of a hard?

whatever.

seriously, get the flu shot. it is well worth it. if you ever had a *real*
flu you know what i mean. (as opposed to bad colds you call a flu)

(alain: colds are 2-3 days, floosies hang around for 1-2 weeks, no?)

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca  [129.97.128.1]      kgdykes@thinkage.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Oct7.160729.28914@spdcc.com> <1av7r5INNd75@mizar.usc.edu>
	<mattm-071092122712@mcmelmon.apple.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:05:54 GMT

In article <mattm-071092122712@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) writes:

   In article <1av7r5INNd75@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
   wrote [in response to carlton@scws8.harvard.edu]:

   > | >and just last year I saw a movie that she [Dietrich] was in without 
   > | >realizing that it was she.  

   A common failing, no doubt.  To which Dolphie replies:

   > That's not really the point.

   Bullshit.  Complete and utter bullshit!  Where do you come up with
   this crap!?  Someone sees what you believe to be *an* *icon*, does
   not know who the fuck she is (she has, after all, be a nobody for
   God-knows how many decades), and you claim that "It's not the point."

I'm with Arne on this one.  The look, gestures, and style
(iconography?) that are associated with Dietrich need not be present
in each of her films.  That she appeared in a film and was not
recognized may be a testimony to her ability as an actress (and
that she was not cast to type), rather than raising doubts about her
status as an icon.  (I still, with some embarrassment, recall my
surprise when I saw "A Room With A View" shortly after seeing "My
Beautiful Laundrette", and only later realized that Daniel Day Lewis
was in both; not that I am suggesting that he is an icon, only that he
is a fine actor).

	Penny
--
UUCP:  { ... }!linus!pc 
INTERNET:  pc@mitre.org
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:46:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5

Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:
> Um, Arne, maybe this is a generational thing, but I've never heard
> of Tucker Quayle until now.  Is he some sort of icon, too?
> 
> (Who the hell IS he, Quayle's dad?  brother?)
> 
---------
Quayle's kid.  

Idle speculation.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1b4mkiINNb3t@mizar.usc.edu>,
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1b4m1oINNaq7@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) exclaimed:
> 
> > You're so hot under the color, dear!
> 
> Collar.

Choler?

Calor?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"We milk the cow of the world, and as we do
We whisper in her ear, 'You are not true.'"
-- Richard Wilbur
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Keywords: exotic fruits
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.025201.13511@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.130236.6456@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.043440.6519@news.Hawaii.Edu>, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>> In article <15985@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>>> 
>>> Papayas, on the other hand, are timeless.  Iconic, even.

Oops, blew the reference.  That was my bit of inanity, not Jeff's.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine