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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:22:42 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
>This is a (well, not exactly formal) Call for Discussion of the formation
>of a new newsgroup to handle discussion of the intersection of comic books
>and television. Such a group would fit into the current r.a.c hierarchy,
>and has precedent (ref. rec.arts.sf.tv) in a similar hierarchy.

_IF_ we do this, I'd find some way of putting MOVIES there as well.
The movies are less frequent than the TV episodes, but when they come
out, they generate a LOT of traffic.  

But seriously, how much traffic is there?  BTAS discussion seems to
have stabilized in rec.arts.animation after initially floating through
several other groups.  I figure the animated XMen will settle in
either rac.xbooks or rec.arts.animation.  Movies, as I've said, are
few and far between.  Discussion on older shows comes up
occassionally, usually limited to "Does anyone else remember..." or
the Spiderman lyrics.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:48:10 GMT

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>Uh, no. I was just listing some examples of the way that all of us,
>including Gidi, I'm sure, are perfectly capable of making the
>distinction between blues and jazz when we're in situations that
>require us to do that.

Well, Tower Records requires me to make a distinction between blues
and jazz.  When I go to Tower, I know that in order to find what I'm
looking for I have to think like them.  That includes looking for Gil
Evans -- but not for Muhal Richar Abrahams -- under "big bands", for
Philip Glass under "new age", and for Salif Keita under
"international".  And then I do another round because so often what I
look for ends up in another section.  Is that supposed to be a good
thing?

	* * *

A slightly related story: A local bookstore (which shall remain
nameless) always puts Kazuo Ishiguro in the international shelves.
But Ishiguro, who was born in Japan, grew up in Britain from about age
five and writes in English.  Thus, the only reason for him to be
"international" -- while Joseph Conrad isn't -- is his foreign
sounding name.

So, yes, when I "need" to make a distinction I can make it.  But it 
happens to be a wrong distinction!


--Gidi
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re : TT is table-tennis
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:23:11 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

To: J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <JAAPJL.92Oct2144043@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> you write:
>In article <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
>
>   I'm glad somebody explained that!  I would have thought they were proposing
>   a comp.sys.atari.tt newsgroup.  Instead, I think a table tennis group would
>   be called rec.sport.table-tennis, or rec.sport.pingpong.
>
>As I expect it will be.  Since this isn't an official RFD, Dave L
>didn't get to proofread it, and some slightly careless poster didn't
>choose a good Subject line.
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What do you mean by "Since this isn't an official RFD, " ?

Lyne

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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.marching vs rec.arts.marching
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:03:13 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Oct4.151911.16327@vdbsan> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:
>gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>
>Really, that's a bit carried away, but you get the ideas, surely?  At the
>risk of pissing on your (collective) parade, the drum corps community has
>long had a fallacious idea that they were doing something significantly
>different from the band crowd.  That's just plain wrong.  Why should we
>continue to foster this misconception?  Drum and bugle corps are, in the
>simplest of analyses, just one of many kinds of marching band, which are
>in turn a flavor of military musical performing group.  To what degree
>they are military is another matter, best left for later discussion...
>
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Willard, 

Having marched in competitive hs marching band, corps style college band, and
drumcorps, I find your comments to be inaccurate.  Drum corps and bands do 
share many elements in common with marching bands but only to a point.  Most
hs and college bands exist largely (if not solely) to support the school foot-
ball team and provide spirit and light entertainment to a football going
audience.  

With the evolution of BOA, many hs bands are entering into the competitive ranks
and producing fine programs.  Still, hs band is NOT a full time endeavor for
those that march in it.  They still have classes and other significant 
outside obligations during their marching seasons.  Thus, they are limited in 
the degree of attention they can spend on their marching shows.

Drumcorps is a full-time summer activity with significant practices throughout
the year.  It exists solely on its own.  The drumcorps are not affiliated
with schools or universities in any way.  Thus they have no obligations to
act as cheerleaders.  This frees them up to focus on presenting their own
artistic and athletic programs to large groups of fans who attend contests
solely to see the corps perform.

Drum corps IS significantly different than bands - not in the quality of 
programs (some BOA champions could compete quite well at DCI level), not in the
instrumentation (which is a small but not significant difference); but in the
obligations that the drumcorps has and in the amount of time they spend in their
preparations.

Speaking from experience, all three (hs band, college band, and drumcorps) are
GOOD experience,  and they are also very DIFFERENT ONES.

 
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From: byork@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: re: rec.arts.marching
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:34:11 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

I am also of the opinion that there should be two groups:

         rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
         rec.arts.marching.misc

Having marched in top-notch drum and bugle corps( plural), I do not
wish to see drum corps listings cluttered up with information about an
activity that is not the same ( marching band in particular ). I am
only trying to prevent the possibility that people would begin to further
associate drum corps with marching band.

                B. York
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From: jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:40:11 GMT

In article <92275.130714MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
*In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net>, pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
*says:
*>
*>Request for Discussion
*>
*>Newsgroup: rec.arts.marching
*>
*>Purpose: Discussion of Drum & Bugle Corps, Bands, and Color Guards
*>
*>Why: The Drum & Bugle Corps (D&B) competetive season is held over the summer.
*>This year, USENET discussion of D&B has been held in the newsgroup
*>alt.drumcorps.  There was high-quality discussion of the competetive season,
*>etc. from at least 100 different posters. We have a FAQ which has been posted
*>to news.answers.
*>
*In my opinion, the group should focus on drum corps. My preference for a name
*would be rec.drumcorps.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Absolutely not.

While drumcorps is the primary focus, it is NOT anywhere near large enough
to fit directly under rec.

*But why regress from having a drumcorps-only group (as we do now) to not
*having one, only to say in the future that one is again justified?  We have
*plenty of traffic to justify a *rec.drumcorps* group right now!
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not really this high up, perhap rec.arts.drumcorps or r.a.marching.drumcorps.

*+ Michael Hughes     Department of Mathematics and Statistics  +
*+                    Miami University     Oxford, OH 45056     +
*+                                                              +
*+                    internet <mhughes@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>  +
*+                    bitnet   <mhughes@miamiu.bitnet>          +


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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.vmebus
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:46:07 GMT

In <BvCwv4.Mnz.1@cs.cmu.edu> dstewart+@cs.cmu.edu (David B Stewart) writes:

>>> I suggest to open this newsgroup to all open busses. In particular to all
>>> busses which are discussed under the auspices of the VITA and ESONE
>>> commitees: VME, VXI, CAMAC, Futurebus+, SCI, ...

IEEE 696 (S100) :-)

>From what has been said in this newsgroup, plus from talking to a few
>people around here, there seems to be general consensus that opening the
>proposed newsgroup to all busses supported by VITA is a good idea.

>However, I don't think that it should be opened to all "open busses" as there
>are so many of them, and one of the purposes of creating this newsgroup is to
>be specific for VMEbus and related items.  If the scope is too general (e.g.
>allowing everything like Multibus, NuBus, Qbus, Microchannel, etc), then I
>think many people who work with the VMEbus will find too much unrelated
>material, and hence unsubscribe to the newsgroup, which in turn lowers the
>value of the group.

On the other hand, if we allow for the creation of a swag of
newsgroups by introducing a level of hierarchy "bus", then
the perceived problem IMHO disppears.

i.e. create
	comp.sys.bus.vmebus
now which will allow for:

	comp.sys.bus.multibus
	comp.sys.bus.mbus
	comp.sys.bus.nubus
	comp.sys.bus.qbus
	comp.sys.bus.s100
	comp.sys.bus.sbus
	comp.sys.bus.uchannel
	comp.sys.bus.late-again :-)
	etc....
as needed, without a "horizontal" bloat in comp.sys.

Or should this be under "comp.arch"? (s/sys/arch/)

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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: table tennis group  - yes!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:42:54 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
>With the growth of the sport (now it's been part of the Olympics), I think table tennis
>should have a newsgroup. More and more people practice or play it, and it's the 
>second most popular sport in the WORLD ! Beeing an international player myself, I
>hope REC.SPORT.TABLE-TENNIS will become ALIVE !
>
>Bye !
>
>Lyne
>
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I, too.  And by the way, that's my artwork (for the record).    :)

Incidently, there's a table tennis discussion group on Prodigy.  How can
internet be behind Prodigy for heaven's sake???

                                         Scott
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Invalidating the sci.virtual-worlds.apps vote (was Re: TO MODERATOR)
Date: 27 Sep 1992 04:17:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.172520.2289@keinstr.uucp>, chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:
> Glenn R. Stone (gs26@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
> : Yet Another for validating the vote
> 
> And another from me, for the same reasons stated by Glen.

And as one of the few no votes, another person for validating the vote. The
effect of the mistake did not affect the outcome.
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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:30:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor

> smehta@nynexst.com (in <SMEHTA.92Sep29101819@kwela.nynexst.com>):
> 	I don't really know the word blues, but what you're talking
> 	about comes from a traditional feel of original music which
> 	then influenced the music that became known as the blues. If
> 	you imagine a tree, then the blues is the branches of that
> 	tree; Malian music, not African music, and not even West
> 	African music, is the roots. American blues, to me, just
> 	means a mix of various African sounds. It's not American
> 	music, it's African music imported directly from Africa, and
> 	when I hear "the blues" I don't hear America, I hear Africa.
> 
> 	-- Ali Farka Toure, on being asked "What does the word
> 	   `blues' mean to you"?, The WIRE, Sep 1992.

In a related vein, consider this:

	The blues is a chair. Not a chair to look at, to admire
	and study, but a chair for your ass to get comfortable in.
	You sit on that music.

	John Lennon, 1970.
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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.032102.13910@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu () writes:

   Would you TT fans mind letting the rest of us know whatt TT stands for?

Good question.

I assume it means `Table Tennis', since I remember a post a few days ago
that spelled it out.
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Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:25:45 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>>In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>rec.arts.drumcorps
>>or
>>rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>     ^^^^^
>
>
>  I have suggested several times that the .arts be taken out to form a name of  rec.marching.drumcorps.  This would allow groups such as rec.marching.hs-bands  to be created under the rec.marching heirarchey (sp? I'm tired).  I know that in another post Phil states that the new group should fall under one of the       subgroups of rec, like music or arts.  The are many groups that do not follow   this naming convention.  One right off the top of my head would be rec.aquaria. If it had followed the same co




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Curtis,

I tend to agree with phil and the others who feel that the ReadNews hierarchy
is an important factor.  While there are exceptions, I do believe that drumcorps
and marching are not broad enough terms to be put directly after the rec.

Drumcorps seems to fit most appropriately under the arts sub-group.   Including
the term marching in the name is fine -- it allows for further expansion when
bands and colorguard groups want to be added.  

My first choice then is  rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  Second choice is
rec.arts.drumcorps.

BTW, post 30326 to news.groups proposes an alt group for competitive marching
bands.  I support this and suggest that we use this as an indication that there
is an interest in bands as well.  Thus, I hope to include a group like
rec.arts.marching.bands   to our RFD.

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From: droland@eng.auburn.edu (David A. Roland)
Subject: Old car info needed quick
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:40:41 GMT


While looking around on some land my Dad just bought I
discovered some old cars, a 1941 Chevy Special Deluxe,
a ~39 Chevy Convertible, ~42 Station Wagon, and ~35 
School Bus, and 40-50 International Combine.  

These cars are pretty rough, it looks like they have
been here for probably 30 or 40 years and the engines are
gone out of most of them, and the floorboards and frames
are rusted out, but the bodies are solid enough to walk
around on with no major body damage, all the chrome parts
are on them and the hoods, doors, bumpers and fenders are
fine.  Is any of this stuff worth anything?  I can go
pull the good parts off or get the whole vehicles if they
are but if I  decide they are not the timber people are
going to plow over them.  So I need some help deciding.

Thanks for any information,
-Al
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:33:03 GMT
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In-reply-to: lazlo@triton.unm.edu's message of 26 Sep 92 16:58:07 GMT

In article <-s!psx_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
   way it should stay that way.  I doubt that many people who are comfortable
   with the way things are now will be swayed by any "evidence" of cross-
   discussion or the lack thereof.  



Well, the whole premise of the rfd/rfv system is that people will
learn something in the course of the discussion. I don't know whether
the discussion period for any proposal ever changes anyone's mind.
Since I don't know, I'm inclined to think that discussion and votes
are a good thing, or at least not a waste of time.
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.bugs -- bad name
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:26:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulogic.329
Organization: negligable

In article <+s21Hhq&-9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>In article <2144@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>>To add an argument against the name: it's a bad name because 
>>non-NeXT people will think "Hey, NeXT must be a REALLY buggy system, 
>>they even have a newsgroup for the bugs!"
>
>Tell that to the comp.bugs.* heirarchy.

Then why isn't this proposal for comp.bugs.next (or comp.bugs.nextstep)?

		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@uLogic.COM

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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:37:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor

> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro):
> I respect Sandeep and Marcel enough to know that they've just gotten a
> little carried away here. Please, guys, leave the dirty politics to
> less worthy and less creditable people.

Well, Richard, if you don't want people to question your motives, you'll
have to explain them better. Your advocating a newsgroup split implies
that there is something wrong with the newsgroup as it is currently
constituted, especially given your insistence that yours is the
'pragmatic' solution. As you know, I've asked you on the net and in
email: *why* do you want to split the group? Even if we accept that
jazz and blues are separable (which I don't), by what reasoning does
one conclude that they *must* be separate?

My belief that there is narrowmindedness going on here is based on the
number of arguments in favor of a split that are variations on "I don't
want to have to wade through articles I'm not interested in." I read
that sentence as "My tastes are sealed in concrete, and I don't want
anything new to enter into my consciousness." Looks like narrowmindeness
to me.

If this is not why you have taken the lead int he splitting efforts,
by all means, explain the real reason. Because I do wish to understand
why you are expending so much energy on a non-problem.
-- 
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From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 17:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.104653.15966@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>I agree.  I don't think there is any inherent reason why arts must be part
>of the name.  I'd be happy with a
>
>rec.marching.drumcorps
>and the option of a rec.marching.bands
>
I agree.  The arts part is nice, but unneccessary.  Perhaps rec.marching.
drumcoprs, or rec.marching.bands is the best way to go.  With
the arts part removed, the people who say that the name is long
(it certainly isn't the longest) can rest easier, and the people who
want to be able to differentiate between bands and drumcorps can do so.

Scott

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