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From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:02:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <MS-C.726270852.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>Mike Quigley writes:
>
>> many of those gathered outside the prison
>> to SUPPORT THE HANGING where [sic] CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS and RIGHT TO
>> LIFERS!
>
>So what is Quigley trying to prove?

Just this.

Why do Christians preach love, understanding, forgiveness, sanctity of life,
etc., etc., while they practice hate (OCA, Dodd hanging), murder and
rape (Bosnia), fear and greed (pick your favorite TV preacher), 
violence (against pro-choicers, even their own children), etc., etc.?????????

Seems to me 180 degrees from what was taught in the Sunday school I
attended.  But, then again, I flunked out of Sunday school early.
Must have missed these graduate courses.

Mike
From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Danger!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:11:14 GMT
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Tracy Monaghan (monaghan@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
: From an ad in the U of Washington student newspaper:
: 
: It's a DISCO PARTY with DISCO LIGHTS DISCO MUSIC and a VILLAGE PEOPLE film.

  Awright!  I knew I kept my blue silk shirt and white sports jacket and
  pants for a reason.  I'm going home and watch "Saturday Night Fever" just
  to refresh my memory.....

  Yyyyyyy M C A.......





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are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:47:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ice2pINNqjf
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

Just two observations:

1.  There's plenty more individuals like Dodd in our society; conditions
    are creating more each day.  Expect more of the same, because treating
    symptoms never cures the disease.

2.  Conservatives, who have great trouble in trusting government to tax
    and distribute income (subject to the appropriate bureaucratic
    procedures), seem to have no trouble in trusting the government when it
    kills people (subject to the appropriate bureaucratic procedures).

    Curious.  Perhaps the Tooth Fairy comes and sprinkles magic Efficiency
    Dust (R) over the Corrections Department in her off hours.  Or maybe its
    the Easter Bunny who does that.

-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
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From: bradley@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Kevin Bradley)
Subject: Technical Illustrations
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:54:07 GMT

The following is posted for an associate.

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to provide samples of your work.

If interested, please contact Dianne at (206)631-3345.

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From: jrm@pgroup.com (John R Mudd)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:52:59 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan6.165538.27667@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>I can see that you're very irate at Clinton on this, but both Bill and Hillary
>said that Chelsea had a major say in what school she wanted to attend.  I
>would give (and will, in the future) the same choice to my boys.  It would
>not be right to *force* a child to go to a school they don't want to. 

I would claim that it is also not right for parent(s) to put themselves
into debt simply because their child doesn't want to go to a particular
school.

... John
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Trust Me - I'm from the Government to help you
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:15:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ii31eINNa7a
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <2440@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
>In article <1554@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>-I'd be happy to hand over my health care to the government, if they first prove
>-they can run a large program successfully, like our public school system. I
>-propose we wait and see them fix something simple like our public schools before
>-they tackle the complexities of health care.
>
>I might point out that the overhead in the Medicaid program is currently
>estimated at 4%.  The overhead for private insurance averages 7%.  I recall
>the figures from Time magazine.
>

I haven't seen a paper yet today, but last I heard, the public (K-12)
schools were still administered locally.
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.6JAN199315201537
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In article <MS-C.726270852.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>,
 Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes...
>Dodd's death was not the gruesome
>horror that the antis portrayed.  No surprise; it's long been known that death
>by hanging is instantaneous when done properly, but science is always ignored
>when it interferes with ideology.

Operative words:  "when done properly".  One item I read in the paper was a
study that examination of skeletons of executed convicts in Ireland showed 19%
died of a broken neck.  The others, presumably, were strangled.  Ignorance of
science?

> 
>Here's another part of the propaganda to debunk: the wierd notion that ``no
>other civilized country has the death penalty'' and that by having a death
>penalty we are in the company of ``such nations as Iraq, South Africa, the
>Soviet Union [never mind that there is no longer such a country] and China.''
> 
>This bit of propaganda presupposes that ``civilized country'' is defined as
>``country in North America and Western Europe.''  This seems to be a bit
>racist to me.  Then again, lefties have never flinched from racism when it has
>been useful.  It is racist to label Korea and Japan ``not civilized'', yet
>they both have a death penalty.  By hanging in both countries, if I'm not
>mistaken.  Isn't it also racist to call Malaysia ``not civilized'', simply
>because it takes its drug problem seriously enough to hang drug smugglers?

I'm not familiar with Malaysia.  When, however, was the last time Japan imposed
the death penalty?  I don't recall anything recent.  As for Korea, I plead
ignorance.

> 
>I'm also not too sure about the use of ``civilized'' to describe Europe.  Now
>that the 45 years of enforced good behavior has come to an end, Europeans are
>gleefully turning back to ``ethnic cleansing'', neo-Nazism, and religious
>warfare throughout the continent.

True, but not necessarily relevant.

								Dan, ad nauseum 
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From: das@emmapeel.ca.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:32:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152634.8819@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
>|> 
>|> And you can bet your money that they'll never see me there. I work too hard
>|> to keep my personal information personal to put up with that kind of
>|> marketing technique.
>
What kind of personal information do  they ask for?
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From: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward)
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:45:38 GMT

erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg) writes:

>Further clouding the issue is the fact that "life without parole" is
>*cheaper* than execution.  Some people might not agree with this, but
>this is what I was taught in a criminal law class in college.  You can
>do the math for yourself.  If it costs $40K/yr to house inmates, and
>about $100K to build a cell, and the "average" inmate in question is
>sentenced at age 27, lives to age 75, this comes to (75-27)*40K + 100K
>= $2.02M (in a new cell).  This is a lot, but the costs of appeals
>easily exceeds this.  Remember, government pays the prosecutors,
>defense attorneys, and the judges.  The figure we were taught (in
>1975) was about $10M for capital appeals to be exhausted.
>Streamlining the appeals process reduces the $10M, but it needs to be
>cut by 80% to match the $2M.

I've heard this many times before, but I'm not sure I buy it yet (not
that I believe it proves the death penalty to be right or wrong).  These
figures do not take into account inflation or the legal battles that
might be waged while the convict is in prison for 50 years.  Has anybody
thought to calculate and include these costs???
-- 
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The Boeing Company
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From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:18:33 GMT
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Organization: University of Washington
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Dan Reitman writes:
> When, however, was the last time Japan imposed
> the death penalty?  I don't recall anything recent.

This shouldn't surprise you, since there is none of the ghoulish ritualistic
news coverage, demonstrations, etc. in Japan when an execution occurs.  I
doubt it even makes the back page of a newspaper.  There aren't very many, and
usually it's of serial killers, child rapist/murderers, and similar creeps.
Japan has had its Ted Bundys and Wes Dodds too; I remember when Miyazaki
Tetsuo(?) was caught a while ago.  Also, Japan doesn't have years of appeals;
Miyazaki is probably already dead.
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Subject: Dodd didn't need to die!! 
Organization: Boeing
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:24:08 GMT

In article <8166@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mike Gauland) writes:
>In article <1853@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>>I found it more than a little curious how the ACLU could claim 'cruel
>>and unusual' punishment for Dodd, seeing as that was what he REQUESTED...
>

Now that I have your attention, the 'Cruel and Unusual' punishment
had nothing to do with the ACLU's intent.  If he would be put to death
and it felt like an orgasim the ACLU would have found some reason to 
object.  Remember, that was simply an issue they used to open an appeal.
They could have used any number of reasons like, capital punishment is 
unconstitutional, period etc.  I guess it is a bit like Hand Gun Control, Inc's
intent to do away with the 2nd amendment.  They look for ways or issues
to build public support to change one or two laws removing citizens 
rights then eventually they can sway congress to overturn our RKBA.

Anyway, I am glad the ACLU made the attempt.  It has revealed the true
colors of the organization.  Not that this should really surprizes anyone.
However, it may begin to get supporters to question their allegance to these
wackos!






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record.  "I would rather vote for Jane Fonda than Gov. Clinton!  At least
she has been to North Vietnam."
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:00:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ihnjmINNm23
Distribution: pnw
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan06.171333.13344@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>In <1773@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
>
>:In article <1icp8fINNd2p@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>:->In article <C0CGA6.CnH@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
>:->>(Robert Sipe) writes: >>
>:->>  So what is the general opinion regarding the hanging of Dodd?  Will it
>:->
>:->Barbaric and anachronistic, IMHO
>
>Isn't killing children pretty barbaric?  I find it ironic that

I don't follow your logic here.  Does my opposition to the death penalty
logically lead to my supporting the killing of children???

I think not.
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:22:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ilqvbINNe9p
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington
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robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:

>The cost breakdown of keeping a prisioner in prism for $40k/yr is
>a bit erronious at best.  One needs to keep health care in mind as
>well.  Medical, dental, and optical costs will far exceed that amount
>as the prisoner ages and requires additional services.  Leagal costs
>need to be factored in too.  Each time a parole hearing is held
>will add to the cost of housing the convict.  The other unaccounted

One would presume that most of these costs are part of the $40k/yr.
Certainly the medical costs are.

>for cost is inflation.  Costs continue to climb North for all essentials
>of life.  This $40k/yr amount is not going to be valid several years
>down the road.  There is one other scenerio, what do you do with a 
>criminal who kills while sentenced to prison for life?  

Completely irrelevant.  As inflation consists of increasing prices
and wages, the number of dollars collected from both sales and
income taxes increase.  So the future costs are indeed represented
by larger numbers but that's a case of dollars getting worth less
and less, not real costs getting higher.

>Sol'n - Hang 'um and hang 'um high!

Sorry, I don't respond to flame bait -- I just post it ;-)

-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:22:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.726373335
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <13151@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:

>In article <crystal.726363129@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>In <13146@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:
>>
>>>Oh, I see.  They don't allow harrassment or kidnapping at Private Elitist
>>>schools, only at the commoners public schools.  That makes sense.  You're
>>>right, I should be happy to send my children to public schools were they
>>>may be harrassed or kidnapped.  But not the President.  He has more 
>>>important things on his mind.  HIS child should be protected from such
>>>things.
>>
>>
>>I seem to detect a bit of jealousy here...go ahead, send your kids to a private school...it's your choice.

>Send me the money and I will!!

>If we had a voucher system (which Governor Clinton opposes) vitually any
>schools would be accessible to the masses.  What should Governor Clinton
>care about providing such education to the masses?  He's got the money to
>send his kids to any school he chooses.  I don't have a problem with that.
>I do have a problem with him limiting my choices.  He's limiting my
>choices for my children's education to institutions which do not have to
>compete for customers (students).  What kind of cars do you think we would
>be driving if we had one car manufacturer to purchase from who did not
>have to compete with anyone?  That's where our public education system is
>today.  I'm not attacking the public education system entirely, but why
>is it that private schools do such a better job (I'm assuming they do
>since people must spend additional dollars to use them).  Additionally,
>the message that Governor Clinton is sending out is that the public schools
>are not good enough for his daughter but for those who can't afford it,
>they'll just have to make due.

Clinton didn't limit your choices.  There have been private schools in 
existence since the turn of the century, if not earlier.  The only limitation
on one's choices is the amount of money they make.  And everyone can make
the choice of learning the skills for a better paying job if they choose.

It's called "dedication".

Crystal
  ;>
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:31:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.726373867
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington
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In <1993Jan7.012324.16274@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:

>andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) writes:
>: Incredible Universe is controversial here because they won't let you in
>: without a membership card, which they issue.  The application form
>: requires you to give quite a bit of personal information.  You must use
>: this card each time you make a purchase, so IU can keep a complete list
>: of everything you've bought.  Speculation is that they turn this
>: information into targeted marking lists.

>Before we went in, we asked about their policies.  They assured that they
>would not sell/give our names out to any other mailing lists/marketers.

>Scott Linn
>scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com


I always write on the form that contains my signature "I understand that my
name will NOT be sold or used by any other company except ______"  and I sign
THAT, too...

Once I got really weird, and wrote to a company that HAD sold my name, and 
requested a percentage of the profits they got for selling the personal
property of another without their permission or consent.  They never answered,
but writing it gave me at least *some* satisfaction at the time.  ;>

Crystal
  ;>
From: msingleton@parthe.UUCP (Mike Singleton)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Internet Access
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 10:16:37 PST
Organization: Parthenon - Public Internet Access Division - Tacoma,WA.

 Just a short note to let anyone who lives in the Tacoma area that there 
is local Internet (TCP/IP, SLIP/IP, T-1, and UUCP) access. We are a 
non-profit org. that has recently opened it's doors to the general 
public. If this is taken as an ad., please accept my apology.. it is not 
intended as such. More like public service announcement. 



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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:53:28 GMT

IMHO public officials should be REQUIRED to send their kids to
public schools.  It would give them a real incentive to clean up
the school system rather than ignoring it.

A few related ideas that might make the world a better place:
    1.  Restrict the military world-wide to offspring of public
        officials (better yet settle international disputes by
        making the public officials of the respective countries
        fight to the death in an arena and charge admission:-).
    2.  Make the spouses of public officials work on the wards in
        military hospitals.
    3.  Require U.S. Senators and congress-critters to live in
        Washington D.C. -- not in suburban Maryland and
        Virginia.

I'm sure that there are other items that could be added to this
list, but this would make for some interesting changes.

Bill

p.s. Sidwell Friends School is where Nixon's daughters went (I
	know because I was accepted there in 1957 but decided to go
	to public school in Montgomery County instead).  It is noted
	for academic excellence, but probably has a very liberal bias
	being a Friends school.
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From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:18:12 GMT

In article <2429@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
>	"What is "The Incredible Universe" near Wilsonville, Ore.,
>	besides something I saw when driving up I-5 last weekend?"
>
>It's a very big Radio Shack, selling a large variety of electronic and
>electric products.  Cameras, computers, TVs and stereos, refrigerator,
>washing machines ...
>
.
.
.
>Incredible Universe is controversial here because they won't let you in
>without a membership card, which they issue.  The application form
>requires you to give quite a bit of personal information.  You must use
>this card each time you make a purchase, so IU can keep a complete list
>of everything you've bought.  Speculation is that they turn this
>information into targeted marking lists.
.
.
.

That could be part of it.  But like Costco and other membership outfits
they use that as a pre screening tool.  They don't want to give memberships
to people who may be under a certain income level or of shady background.
This does a couple of things.  First it get only people into their
store with money to spend.  No window shoppers.  Second, it reduces the
likelyhood that the member is a shoplifter.  Many browsers are just
looking for a opportunity to lift some merchandice.  This is 
what an employee told me regarding membership at Costco.  Finally, they
can compile data of shoppers buying trends.  This enables them to screen
products that they believe won't sell.  It enables them to do 
market analysis with a high degree of certainty.  When products quit
selling at the level that justifies their shelf space they drop the
product.

It works in the publics favor.  The store can keep costs down when they
don't have to cover the costs of bounced checks or stolen merchendice.  As
a consumer you will get products in that appeal more to you.






-- 
Statement made by Oliver North when asked to comment on Clinton's draft
record.  "I would rather vote for Jane Fonda than Gov. Clinton!  At least
she has been to North Vietnam."