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From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Some general questions...
Date: 26 Jul 1992 00:08:48 GMT
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In article 27627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com () writes:
 
>	
>	1) judo is a taxing sport demanding strength, ability, and stamina. But is it
>           (as it is taught in the usa) a viable martial art usable for
>self-defense
>            in the street?

Anything that makes you stronger and faster will help on the streets, if
it teaches you self defense at the same time, so much the better.  Judo
as it is usually taught is not combative, however a good Judo person will
be able to do just fine on the streets.

Even the high scool wrestling I did tends to be helpfull...esp. when the
coaches teach you: how to do leagle takedowns that will take the fight
out of the oppenent, how to wedge your elbows in places that will knock
the fight out of the other guy but that most refs don't notice...
There are lots of little changes in style that can take safe moves and make 
them very dangerous...
 
>
>	2) akido is also very athletic, but again, how useful could it be in 
>           a street situation? 

It takes a while before this style begins to show its strength, if you
want to get good fast, don't take this art.  If you want to be very good
at defending yourself, this would be one of the better arts to sudy.

>
>	3) are striking techniques taught in either judo or akido?

Traditionally no.  Their are off-shoots of both that do (less so for Judo...),
but then again I guess it depends on how you define stikes...

>
>	4) does the practice of shotokan tend to injure joints? Is that why 
>           practitioners of such hard styles seem to retire in their 30's and
>           early fourties?

Most people start slowing down in their late 30's to early 40's (which I
am sad to say is where I am rapidly heading).  Same thing happens in
just about any activity where speed and agility are needed.  

MA can be rough on the old body, but doesn't need to be, I know lots of
people in the 50+ range who still practice.  Many (those that have
been doing it for most of their years) are very good, and while there
moves are no longer the right ones for sparring matches, they would
work very well on the street.

-Garth




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From: aaron@iit.com (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial Arts, Ninjas and Superspies
Summary: silliness
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: aaron@iitinc.UUCP (Aaron Emigh)
Organization: Integrated Information Tech., Santa Clara, CA

In article <BrMF49.CLJ@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <seah.711420021@sfu.ca> seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
>>By the way, what IS DIM MAK?
>
>Well, DIM MAK, is LIKE "DIM SUM", its a chinese dish or rather a group of 
>dishes, commonly served for brunch. In the case of DIM MAK its served
>sometime between the midnight and 11:59pm. :) :)

Actually, the main distinguishing feature of a dim mak meal is that your
appetite isn't sated as you eat it.  Suddenly, in a day or a week (or
more, depending on the particular items ingested), you feel full.

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
From: rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Books on Kenpo
Summary: anybody know any???
Keywords: Kenpo, books
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:12:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Jul24.171228.25072
Followup-To: rorem@lclark.edu
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

howdy all,

i've recently began taking kenpo lessons and i'd be very interested in 
finding a few good books about the history of kenpo.  i have heard that it's
fairly new as a system, so if there aren't any good books i'd love to 
hear some opinions.  feel free to e-mail me or post.

later,
eric

rorem@lclark.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:03:25 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: years for black belt

seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
> How many years does it take to become a belt belt in a martial art?

	A black belt is only a piece of cloth. Whatever it means is
determined by the organization which awarded it.
	From some organizations, a black belt means that you have a
steady source of income, and a willingness to pass along your wealth
to the sensei/sabunim/sifu/guru/CEO-$en$ei. I think that 2 years is
the average for black belt contracts.
	Some systems (Chinese and classical Japanese) don't seem to
have the concept of a "black belt". So you could study till the day
you die and never get one :-)
	But...most systems award BB nowadays.

	At one local traditional Karate school, the average is around
5 years. At one local traditional Aikido school, the average seems to
be around 10 years.

> If you deign to reply to this post, please state the style, permutation
> of style if any, the number of years, and extenuating circumstances (ex.

	The Karate style is Okinawan Shobayashi Shorin Ryu. The Aikido
style is Hombu style Aikido (though Sensei Masutani _really_ dislikes
these Hombu/Iwama/Yoshinkan/Tomiki/Joe-Bob style distinctions and
insists that it is only "Aikido")

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MA as therapy for abuse
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul30.045216.25900@psych.psy.uq.oz.au> jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:
>I've worked with both groups (people who've been abused and
>MA'ers) and I don't think I've ever come across any people who
>are in both groups.

'Twas only recently that I have discovered that I was abused in my
childhood (the fool I used to call, "father," was stupid enough to leave
written records of ALL of the sh*t he pulled on everyone).

I have been involved with the MA's for several years, on an off-and-on
basis.

My own data point.
 
--
David Winters  
dcwst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu OR winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu

          Illigitimi non carborundum.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Knives, pressure points, and Kadena de mano
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.094405.1175@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.103402.2716@mtroyal.ab.ca> sboland@mtroyal.ab.ca (Steve Boland) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.155958.7860@pony.Ingres.COM>, simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis) writes:
>>> * "suro" - "sensei" equivalent, "master" or "teacher"
>>I think this should be Guro.
>
>No, suro is the correct title for Mr. Inay. He has guros under him but is
>the suro (or is it mangi su suro (sp?)) of the system.

My eskrima instructor is a Guro.  His instructor, who is the founder 
of the system, refers to himself as Punong Guro.  I imagine this 
translates to something like grandmaster or chief instructor.  
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang)
Subject: Re: Light Body Techniques
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:50:46 GMT

dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:

>really a 1-finger handstand then.  Sorry.) I've also seen pictures of a
>guy doing 1-finger on each hand.   Ouch...

I saw a couple of years ago....get this...an 8th Dan Black Belt in TaeKwonDo
do 10 pushups on a single finger of each hand (ummm...bad description,
ie. "pointing" at the ground with both hands...)

His fingers strained like all hell, but he did 10 !!!

(Wouldn't have believed it if someone had told me...but, damn, I saw it !)

Robert.
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Subject: re: years for a black belt
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:40:18 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Speaking of years for a black belt, I know quite a few upper belt kids who gave
up on the martial arts.  I got to thinking, I've seen a couple of little black
belts running around and wondering if they were valid or not since they may or
may not continue practicing after getting their black.  If a black belt is
supposed to be a journey, these kids have had a short one.  Maybe not as much
enlightening one, but a short one.

--Akane

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From: engp2024@nusunix2.nus.sg (ALI NAJAFI)
Subject: Any books on Shitoryu ?
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:26:26 GMT

Hello everybody.

Does anybody know is there any book about karate do shitoryu ? The kind
of book which is best suitable for me is something like "Best Karate"
by "Nakayama", becasue this book is an ideal reference for different katas 
(of shotokan, however) and I made extensive use of it when I was practicing 
shotokan. But as I am now practicing shitoryu, I need such a book about 
this style of karate.

Any suggestions are appreciated. 

Ali.
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From: Paul.Elkins@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Paul Elkins)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.200422.12295@schbbs.mot.com> RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com writes:
>As part of becoming a certified TKD instructor in my style (Songahm TKD
>via ATA), I need to submit a thesis-type paper.
>I'm contemplating something like 'the physical laws underlying board-
>breaking' (and their application to teaching it).

How about "The physical laws underlying BAD GUY-Breaking"  :)

what's the quote from the karate kid movies about
  (Accent on)
  "never been attacked by tree"
  (Accent off)

		- Monta




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From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:06:00 GMT
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Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: rec.martial-arts

  .Message-ID: <kePgcxO00UoJNKEl4X@andrew.cmu.edu>
  .Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:03:25 -0400
  .From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
  .Subject: Re: years for black belt

From Stephen Chan:

SC.seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
  .> How many years does it take to become a belt belt in a martial art?

SC.        A black belt is only a piece of cloth. Whatever it means is
  .determined by the organization which awarded it.

In the case of USTU (Kukiwon) recognized TaeKwondo, the first black
takes a _minimum_ of 3 years.  Each subsequent rank takes a _minimum_
number of years equivalent to the rank you are aspiring to.  That is,
2nd dan is 2 additional years, 3rd - 3, 4th - 4, etc.  All of that
assumes, of course, a certain minimum number or training and teaching
hours, "dedication time" to the dojahng, etc. etc.

  .        From some organizations, a black belt means that you have a
  .steady source of income, and a willingness to pass along your wealth
  .to the sensei/sabunim/sifu/guru/CEO-$en$ei. I think that 2 years is
  .the average for black belt contracts.

While some may think otherwise, the black belt has meaning, really, only
to the individual.  Everything else is somewhat political.  That is, the
rank gives you certain privileges in the dojahng, as well as requisite
responsibilities, of course.  But the value of the belt is unique and
personal to me.  I know better than anyone what it took to obtain it,
and how difficult it is to not only maintain previously learned skills,
but continually add to that repertoire and 'fine tune' the old ones.

  .        Some systems (Chinese and classical Japanese) don't seem to
  .have the concept of a "black belt". So you could study till the day
  .you die and never get one :-)
  .        But...most systems award BB nowadays.

Most systems, I suspect, award belts nowadays because they recognize
that in order to continue the traditions and keep the school alive, the
business must stay alive.  And many require the "boost" of the belt, the
motivation, to keep working at it.  Otherwise, the belt is only a
visible symbol of the degree of training one once received.  It's sort
of like 'respect';  it must be earned, but when it is earned, it would
seem a little ludicrous to wear a badge that said "you owe me respect"!
So, perhaps the belt shouldn't be necessary.  Most of us Westerners
don't have the patience and Eastern upbringing that makes such an
approach 'palatable'.  Sigh.....

Regards,
Todd

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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo and Tai Chi?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 20:34:21 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1992Jul30.191444.7404@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) writes:
>Tomorrow I'm taking my first Judo class, at the school where 
>it is taught they also teach Tai Chi.  I want to know if there
>would be any conflict between the two styles - In other words
>is this a stupid idea?

No, I think it is an excellent idea.  For two arts that have so much in 
commmon in principle, it's amazing how little they share in practice.  Which
means, basically, that you won't learn something in one you'll have to
unlearn in the other.

I personally think everyone who is serious about T'ai Chi as a martial 
art should study at least some Judo, because it addresses two major 
shortcomings in the T'ai Chi curriculum (falls and groundfighting).

>I'm 36 and was involved with TKD a few years back
>but kept getting injured but don't believe that Judo and Tai Chi
>would be too physically taxing for me (famous last words).

Be warned, though, there is no such thing as "light-contact sparring" in
Judo.  Gravity is 9.8m/s^2 on the mat just like everywhere else.  The 
overriding reason why I don't practice Judo more frequently is that
I'm constantly running into ranking members of the Judo club who are 
nursing debilitating injuries.

To give you a point of reference, at the last meeting of the coordinators
of the martial arts clubs, the issue of excessive injury reports came up
(the recreational sports program was making insurance-related noises).  The
Judo coordinator reported that their club generated at least one a night
(mostly for ice).  I was able to report that the T'ai Chi club had not 
had an injury in living memory (I've never even *seen* an injury report
form).


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From: mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl (Valk v/d M)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Revised Diff. between Eastern and Western Thought
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:10:00 GMT

A ridiculous story to prove something which is pertinent untrue. Just look at
the ending of the 2nd WW: Japan didn't want to surrender although they had no
more strength. The US had to use atomb bombs to make clear that Japan had no
chance of winning.

Please, don't come up with the nonsense that a) the Japanese had already
surrendered before the A-bombs, and the US just wanted to test their weapons or
b) Japan during the 2nd WW cannot be compared to the modern/ancient Japan.

--
Martijn van der Valk				e-mail: <mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl>
Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Pros and cons of judo.
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:33:32 GMT
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I'm posting from memory so errors are of course possible. :-)

Kano "developed" the Kime-No-Kata from the Kito Ryu. In those
days, the Samurai often practiced fully clad in their battle
outfits. This is the reason that OGoshi is sometimes seen with
a very wide stance, rather than the feet close together as it
is often done nowadays. Most of the Koshi Waza were done from 
the low sqat stance so that Tori (thrower) could get below the
stiff upper protective gear and cause the opponent to bend forward.
If the thrower was not low enough, it would be like pivoting into
a telephone pole with similar results.

The strangle defense to an overhand strike is the basic form. It is
not the way it is done is fact, but in practice. The form allows for
repetitive practice which develops reflex memory. In fact, one would
grasp the lapel at the back of Uke's neck and pull Uke to Tori as
Tori pivoted. It cuts the time down by over 1/2.

 


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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul29.181228.10510@orionsci>, goodwin@orionsci (Ben
Goodwin) writes:
|> Which reminds me, do any of you have to take checkup exams?  Every year
|> we see a sign posted stating that the blackbelts must take a checkup
|> exam.

In my current school and my last school, all blackbelts had to test twice
a year - either a promotional test or a "refresher" test (yeah, we *all*
feel refreshed after these ;-))

I've also heard of a number of other schools in various styles doing this
so its probably fairly widespread.

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
From: tjc50@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:49:33 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <59140@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>In rec.martial-arts, ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>>On the same subject, I've also heard that warm or hot water is
>>more readily absorbed into the body than cold.  So the
>>general idea being that you should drink warm water to replenish
>>your body's water after a workout.
>
>     So, you sci.med and/or alt.folklore.* people, any input on this?

I've never heard that, but a friend of mine heard from a Physics major
that hot water will freeze faster.  The Physics major heard it from a
professor who wrote for Scientific American, so it must be true.
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Options
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.050832.1733@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith) writes:
>In article <59136@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

>>she had a knife in her purse.

>My first thought here would be I SURE hope she knows how to use it, carrying one and not knowing how to use it can get you into more trouble than not carring one at all!.

I've read that a novice is actually safer with a gun than a knife
(assuming that the novice at least knows the basics of gun safety).  A
knife is much more likely to be taken away and used against the bearer
than a gun is, because the knife *cannot* be used until the attacker is
within grabbing range.  Put simply, it takes more skill to fight with
a knife and win.

Of course, there is the little matter of bystanders, who could be a block
away behind a wall and still get hit...

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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:15:17 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul24.195343.10107@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes...
>>companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
>	If you're going to go with mass-marketed knives, Gerber and Randall
>are two more manufacturers that produce relatively reliable quality, and

A datapoint...

I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. If
you can afford a Randall, you'll be a happy camper. 

As for pocket type blades, I have a Benchmade folder that is relatively
decent. It was only 40$, has a lame stainless blade, but its easy to
open one-handed, and has a pretty big belly for a 3.5" blade.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:36:38 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <ACEVEDO.92Jul29100238@hippocrene.mit.edu> acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes:
>In article <osborn.712284639@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>>In some other article, somebody else writes:
>
>>  >But when the CIA was contacted about this claim they 
>>  >said they had never heard of Seagal until after his movie carrer....
>
>>  As with all spook things, denial == confirmation. 
>
>I'm not sure about that.  Suppose he did work for the CIA.  I'm sure the
>CIA would deny it.  Suppose he did not.  Then I would really expect them
>to deny it.  What else would they say if he didn't?

He didn't work for the CIA. There is no CIA. There is no such thing as
Greenoch, either...

Steve