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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


In article <1992Dec29.230808.25460@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

}A third thing appears to be an inability not to apply some moral
}values to things.  It must be "Good" or "Bad".  And "different" means
}"better" or "worse".
}
}I'm of the opinion that things are gradually getting better . . .

No no, things are just getting _different_.  

(Sorry, someone had to say it.)

--James Preston

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From: whitehea@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lady in Red)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Two More Cents on <<Chaplin>>
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:36:57 CST
Organization: Alfaro Vive, Carajo!

I just left <<Chaplin>> and I thought I'd bore everyone with my
opinions about it.


First of all, let me say that I am a dead-serious Chaplin fan and I
went to this movie with high hopes and strict requirements.  I didn't
like Robert Downey, Jr. in <<Air America>> and found him annoying rather
than endearing in <<The Pickup Artist>>.  

But, in <<Chaplin>> he did the job.  I felt that the whole movie was
mis-structured in general (I hated the way his wives were shuffled on
and off the screen -- it was like a curtain call!).  Mr. Downey, Jr.
turned in a creditable performance as the "Little Fellow" and that is
what I went to see.  

I would be interested to hear the opinions of others on whether or not
they think that <<Chaplin>> was adversely affected by <<Amadeus>>.  I
kept getting that overwrought genius feeling about Chaplin.  Or maybe
I am deceived by the fact that he looks a touch like Tom Hulce in some
scenes.  Anybody else?

I suppose I like the movie, finally though, because I think its heart
was in the right place.

For what it's worth.

Amy
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: totally ridiculous trivia question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:22:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1iackeINNo9o@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> 
maccrimm@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Maccrimmon) writes:

> In article <1993Jan1.002218.3564@fico.uucp> 
> kmd@fico.UUCP (Kathi Dietrick) writes:

> >In article <1hu6vlINN3ui@shelley.u.washington.edu> 
> >wiggs@deets.chem.washington.edu (James Wiggs) writes:

> >>In what film did Bette Davis have the line: "What a dump!"
> >>A friend asked me this the other night, and I can visualize 
> >>the scene, but I can't remember what film it was!

> >Isn't this in All About Eve?
>
> Nope.

No.

> The line that is used by Elizabeth Taylor as Martha in
>
> "WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF?"

The line is used by any actress in role of Martha in "Who's 
Afraid of Virginia Woolf".

> is from the 1949 Bette Davis Film "BEYOND THE FOREST". 

Correct.

> not really worth seeing.

*What*?!

> Not much happens.

Not much happens?  Bette Davis walking around as the town
slut is not much?  The film features an adulterous affair,
a hallucinatory mental collapse, a murder, a self-induced
miscarriage, and the death of the leading character from
peritonitis.  That's not much?

> VIRGINIA WOOLF,  on the other hand, is worth seeing again
> and again. It one of my favs.

Well, yes, it's one of my "favs" too, but that's no
reason to dump on "Beyond the Forest".

Arne
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS!
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:42:28 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1993Jan9.032354.18335@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>Greg, I agree with your post!  So often the trailers are what's
>memorable about the movie. 

Unfortunately, over the last 10 years or so trailers have started to give
a new meaning to memorable. When you get to see the movie that they 
advertised you remember the ending all through the film. Why do
they include the endings in so many trailers?
From: mwjoosen@cs.ruu.nl (Maarten Joosen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Weird Movies
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:47:39 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science


In article <3981@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
>
>Hi everyone:
>
>Thanks for all the suggestions.  The list of weird movies so far is
>below.  If you can think of more, please add....
>
Freaks The classic from Tod Browning.

Wax, or the discovery of television among the bees. This is really a
videoproduction and hadn't a wide release but it's definitively weird.
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:33:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.204526.6320@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>, tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
>> 
>> 1: People who have to talk constantly, especially if they have to narrate the
>> whole damn film to their stupid companions!
>
>  Agreed!!  This very thing happened to me not long ago and ruined my
>  evening.  Next time, I'm asking for a refund.

First you should go out and talk to an employee or manager.  While a
good staff should do auditorium checks regularly, the paltry budget
leaves little room to have one usher sit in each movie for its entirety,
and if we do auditorium checks too frequently then people bitch that
we're disturbing the patrons.

>  2: When they stop the previews, turn up the house lights, and pass the
>     collection jar around for some "good" cause.  That really burns me up!
>     Talk about a captive audience....

I'm not entirely happy with it, but it goes with the job.  Write letters
of complaint to upper management.  The manager(s) and staff have very
little to say about what they're doing; they're given things that
they're supposed to do.  They may frequently even agree with your point
of view, but it does no good.

>  3: Not starting at the advertised time.


Whose clock are you going by?  I tend to start things a minute or two
early, since we usually have a couple trailers on each movie...

-----
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
Weird?  We've experienced *death*!  Now somehow we've brought back our
sins physically, and they're *pissed*.

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From: epb3r@Virginia.EDU ("Erik P. Brady")
Subject: Re: It's A Wonderful Like (Was Re: Movies In the Public Domain)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:05:10 GMT

IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE :  whoever was supposed to renew the
copyright or whatever they do forgot to do this (this was in
1973 I believe) and yes, it is definitely in public domain.



Erik Brady  		      "jazz isn't dead, it just smells
epb3r@virginia.edu		  funny "     frank zappa
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: 1992 Movies that will continue to be popular
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:21:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.121929.19544@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE> k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes:
# Ah, but as one who went through high school at the same time as Michael
# Myers and Dana Carvey I can assure you that the movie does *not* contain
# "youth references of today" but rather references to the mid-70s.

As one who went through high school fairly recently, I can assure you that
some things never change.  At least in some places.
From: ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Movie Buffs  (was Re: Academy Awards)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:58:34 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
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In article <1993Jan2.200530.13182@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>On the other hand, I am amongst those you so blithely dismiss as buffs
>Having seen 103 movies (video not counted) in 1992 I think that I qualify
>as a "movie buff" (or on my way to be one), and I really can't see what
>Jesper Lauridsen        | Je ne suis pas un voyou
>rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   | Je suis Monsieur Hire 


I was just curious about how many movies some of the rest of you "Buffs"
watched in a week.  So many posters are incredibly knowledgeable about
every little movie detail--How do you get the time to watch so much?
Should we have a contest to see who is the most addicted?

ivy
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Suggestions...
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:08:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
| 
| I have a taste for good, eccentric movies that create an exciting,
| interesting, funny and sometimes disgusting world of their own.
| Examples: *Brazil*, *Baghdad Cafe*, *After Hours*, *The Cook, the 
| Thief, ...*, etc.  Any other movies of that sort you can think of?
| Thanks,


How about _Santa Sangre_?


Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS!
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:37:51 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

}In article <1993Jan9.032354.18335@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
}>Greg, I agree with your post!  So often the trailers are what's
}>memorable about the movie. 

}Unfortunately, over the last 10 years or so trailers have started to give
}a new meaning to memorable. When you get to see the movie that they 
}advertised you remember the ending all through the film. Why do
}they include the endings in so many trailers?

Because the ending is usually the most exciting and/or interesting part,
so therefore it is the most likely to entice you to see the movie.

Recently, AMC (the cable channel) showed _The Sugerland Express_.  Just
beforehand, they showed the original trailer for it.  As I watched the
trailer, I was thinking, "They're showing the whole movie here".  Sure
enough, when I then watched the actual movie I discovered that nearly
every important scene had showed up in the trailer, including the ending.
I coulda saved myself the two hours (just kidding; this is a movie to
watch for the performances, not the plot.)

--James Preston

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From: mich@libra.math.tau.ac.il (Har-even Michael)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:39:23 GMT

What about Freaks?

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From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:08:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.223945.27126@sco.com>, jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car) writes:
>
>egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>>Pray tell me, WHY is relating a movies to current events, of which the
>>movie makers are both consciously and unconsciously aware, especially
>>either "deconstructionist" or "drivel?"
>
>It's drivel if the film in question was written/directed long before the
>current events began to play out.  (I don't know the lifecycle of the
>Dracula script/production, so I can't say if/how it corresponds to Serbia.)
>
>>It is certainly news to me that we must check our
>>brain at the door of the cinema, that indeed cinema is to be treated as
>>another drug.
>
>I think those who produce the films would certainly like it if we behaved
>that way.
>
>>Dracula DOES stalk Winona Ryder and his conduct is rewarded with her
>>love.  The parallels to Serbia ARE unavoidable; imagine making a movie
>>celebrating Czarist pogroms at THE SAME TIME Hitler's holocaust was in
>>full swing.
>
>How does Dracula stalking Mina (please don't confuse actors/actresses and
>their characters) parallel Serbia???  I can't believe this film has any
>subtext corresponding to the current political climate in it.  It seems to
>me that anything even vaguely like political commentary is being inserted by
>the viewers rather than the creators.  Personally, I thought the movie was
>about as brainless as they come and was just another opportunity for Coppola
>to drag his tired christian symbolism out for another go-round.  (The cross
>healing itself at the end was just too much for yours truly.  I nearly
>barfed on my companion.)
>
>-- 
>Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I was an infinitely hot and dense dot.


I think that your views about the relationship between culture and politics are
very, very wrong.  I suppose you'd want to say that the *extremely* pejorative
view of Gypsies in *Dracula* has nothing to do with their mass slaughter in
the Holocaust, or with the German government's recent attempt to ship Gypsies
"back" to Romania, but such political events are *closely*, profoundly related
to the steady current of pejorative depictions of these people in works of
culture, pejorative depictions that go back at least to the Middle Ages.
By depicting Gypsies as less than fully human, Coppola (and Stoker before him)
is perpetuating a cultural practice that has a *direct and pernicious*
bearing on socio-political events.

michael mcdonald
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:39:19 GMT

In article <1ii11gINN4ba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
>
>Movie theaters that advertise "Dolby Stereo" and then don't
>have the surround speakers turned on when the movie starts.
>This forces me to miss the first moments of a film to go speak
>to some pimply faced teenager behind the concession stand who

It's amazing how pervasive hateful stereotypes are...

>informs me it's not his problem. Aaauuuugggghhh, I HATE THAT!!!

It isn't, it's the projectionist/manager's.  The concessions person
certainly is not in a position to deal with your complaint (although you
could tell them to notify someone who is...)

-----
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear?  How do you sit?"

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From: haluk@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Haluk Gumrukcu)
Subject: Re: Italian movie - Title please...
Originator: haluk@turlough.dev.cdx.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:32:05 GMT


In article <1i8eehINN8ah@access.usask.ca>, vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan) writes:
|> Bryon S. Lape (lape@cs.utk.edu) wrote:
|> :>
|> :>	What is the name of the movie (Italian) that came about around the
|> :>same time as "The Cook, the Theif,..." in the US?  The only scene I
|> :>remember (I did not see the movie) is a woman in a bath tub while a toy
|> :>submarine goes between her legs.
|> :>
|> :>
|> Well, you're a bit confused, as the title you mention and the scene you
|> mention are from two different movies...
|> 
|> The title you are looking for is "The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her
|> Lover". It is a British movie that came out with no rating, since the
|> MPAA(?) wanted to give it an 'X' without certain cuts. It starred Helen
|> Mirren (Excalibur's Morgana Le Fey, etc.)
|> 
|> At around the same time, the movie "Tie me Up! Tie me Down!", a Spainish
|> movie, came out, to the same hullaballoo. It is from this movie that the
|> scene of the toy 'submarine' (actually a toy scuba diver) in the bathtub is
|> from. It starred Victoria Abril, who is also in a recently released
|> similarly erotic movie (I've heard; haven't seen it yet) called "Lovers".
|> She is very VERY hot!!
|> 
|> I reccommend both movies, provided you are strong of constitution.
|>  --
|>  /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
|>  | 1993: Doctor Who  is Thirty Years Old                                   |
|>  |       Jethro Tull is Twenty Years Old                                   |
|>  |                                                                         |
|>  |	 IAN ANDERSON FOR THE NEXT DOCTOR WHO!!!!!                         |
|>  |	 IAN ANDERSON FOR THE NEXT DOCTOR WHO!!!!!                         |
|>  |    									   |
|>  |	 Nathan Elke, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada                       |
|>  |	 (Never mind what the name at the top says)                        |
|>  \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/


Couple of things; Victoria Abril has nothing to do with The Lovers, she is in a
new movie by Almadovar: "High Heels"
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: SUGGESTIONS for WEIRD MOVIES - Embellished
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:29:09 GMT
Distribution: rec

alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker) writes:

>The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T.
>haven't seen it.

I saw this played in TNT's "100% Weird" time slot over Christmas
break.  I missed the very beginning, and was initially just
floored by how intensely bizarre it was-- an apparently kid-oriented
film with unbelievably long musical numbers, surreal dialogue, and
those sets.. those sets... then it finally hit me that the title
and the sets were both awfully familiar... "Dr. T" is not just any
weird movie, it is a *live-action Dr. Seuss movie*. 

The apple-pie heroes and swarthy evil minions might offend modern
sensibilities, and the movie is too slow-moving for the attention
span of the presumably intended audience (today, at least), but
the good Doctor's fingerprints are all over this one, and have
magical effect.  The sets are Dr. Seuss drawings gone solid. 
The plot is as strange as you'd expect (the nasty Dr. Terwilliger
wants to enslave the children of the world to play his Big Piano,
which snakes around the walls of his castle and has about a million
keys, and can only be stopped by a cute kid in a very silly beanie
and a friendly plumber-- and possibly the kid's mom, if they can
get her un-hypnotized).  There is an incredible (but *long*) 
sequence in a dungeon to which Dr. T has banished all non-piano-
playing musicians, in which they gradually emerge from their cells
and dance about with a huge assortment of phantasmagorical
Seussian musical instruments.  It also contains the classic line
"Is it... atomic?"  "Yes!  VERY atomic!"

All in all, an amazing discovery. 
Or maybe my critical sensibilities were dulled.  It was very late at
night.
-- 
Matt McIrvin         I read Usenet just for the	tab damage!
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From: cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher)
Subject: Re: Point in "Malcolm X" [Spoiler? Probably not, but you never know]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:54:14 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>I just saw and enjoyed "Malcolm X."  Afterwards, my friend and
>I remembered a particular scene differently and was wondering
>if someone could clear it up for us.  

>It was when Malcolm/Red jarred Archie's memory and said that 
>he was owed $600 for the number that he played and Archie 
>checked and then went after him because he believed Red conned 
>him.  That episode and others lead me to believe that Red was 
>conning Archie.  However my friend insists that Archie had 
>forgotten.  Not wanting to escalate the difference further, I'd 
>appreciate if others could clue us in on what you saw and if one (or 
>neither) of us is correct.
 
 He wasnt conning him. During the scene when he was doing cocaine
(for the first time, perhaps?) He pulled out a wad off money and
started throwing it around, calling out numbers to Archie. And 
I specifically remember him mentioning the number that had paid
off.

-diana

>Oh, I have one last question.  When Brother Johnson was finally
>taken to the hospital, a doctor came out and said that he'd live.
>Can anyone tell me who was the actor that portrayed the doctor?

>Thanks.

>Terry
>--
>Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
>Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
>Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe per diem
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:12:09 GMT

In article <C0LpsJ.FEy@quadsys.com>, roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>Anyway, I only have one real complaint - and this is something I will
>complain about every time I encounter it - COMMERCIALS. It has pissed 
>me off so bad, that I have demanded my admission back and left the
>theatre after like the 4th damn commercial was shown. After all, I am
>not paying admission to be force commercials.

Please elaborate... you do definitely mean commercial advertisement, and
not preview for upcoming attractions?  I think advertisements are a bit
tacky... at home, we have a contract with one of the local radio
stations such that they provide taped intermission music (based on
current hit songs, etc.) and we run a short 30-second teaser for them.
It's not so bad...

After all, you ARE still going to see the movie.  And since everything
is BEFORE the movie, it's not being interrupted, and the movie
experience isn't going to be tampered with.

In the vein of recent discussion, I'd explain the above to any patron
who gave a similar complaint, although I would refund their admission if
they really felt strongly about it.

-----
sss / Princeton University Class of 1994 / Department of Computer Science
Ninety per cent of true love is acute, ear-burning embarrassment.
[Terry Pratchett, _Wyrd Sisters_]

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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Review:  TOUS/TU/TUE LES MATINS DU MONDE (Minor SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:16:08 GMT

In article <1isqq3INNgat@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.154211.18669@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> 
>blake7@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (berardinelli,james) writes:
>> TU LES MATINS DU MONDE (All the Mornings of the World)
>
>Not quite.  A more literal translation of "Tu les matins du monde"
>is "Kill the Mornings of the World".

Tzz, tzz! 
TU LES MATINS DU MONDE:  You the Mornings of the World
TUE LES MATINS DU MONDE:  Kill the Mornings of the World
TOUS LES MATINS DU MONDE: All the Mornings of the World
....
									M.H.
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