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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Flexi Tie-Out: Does it work?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:49:50 GMT

> Julia Kim writes:
> Our dog has never been tied out/up outside.  We're visiting my in-laws
> this Christmas.  THEY like to see our dog cavorting around their
> unfenced yard, unencumbered by a leash, FREE, free to vandalize the
> neighbors' yards, to get run over, to run away, forever!  I, being the
> stick in the mud that I am, like to follow leash laws.  As a
> compromise, I thought I'd bring a LONG tie-out.


In my opinion, the best thing for tying a dog outside is a 'running chain'.
It's probably cheaper than a flexi too...

All you need is a length of clothesline wire (the stuff with the plastic
coating) which you can buy by the foot or in pre cut lengths (usually 50
feet) at the hardware store. Also get a 2" metal ring while you are there and
a length of chain with a clip at each end.

The clothes line gets tied across the yard between two points...from tree to
tree, tree to porch, tree to post, etc, whatever is available. Make sure you
put the line through the metal ring before you tie the second end. Tie it so
there is no slack, about 7 feet or more off the ground. Try to choose two
points that have no other trees or posts between them. Then clip one end of
the metal chain to the metal ring, the other end to the dog's BUCKLE collar.
The chain should be equal in length the the height of the clothesline plus a
few feet.

The whole thing probably costs <$20. Sure it takes a couple minutes to set
up, but it is strong, can be set up anywhere (I usually take one along on
camping trips) and allows the dog more freedom of movement with less risk of
tangling than anything else I know of! When I was in a house with an unfenced
yard, I had one that went all the way from the back door to a tree at the
other end of the yard. The dog had access to nearly the whole yard and I
could attach him without going outside.

Oh. Another option if you have a tree in the center of the yard! Get a length
of clothesline long enough to fit loosely around the base of the tree and
something to attach the ends so it is a smooth ring. Again, put a metal ring
onto it and attach the dog to the metal ring with a metal chain...any length
you want depending on how clear the rest of the yard is. Now your dog can go
X feet away from the tree in any direction without getting tangled! This is
even cheaper and easier...


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From: helena@ide.com (Helena Winkler-Parenty)
Subject: Nail clippers vs. grinders
Originator: helena@poseidon
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:10:28 GMT

When our puppy was little we first tried cutting his nails with
clippers.  It was horrible the way he struggled and squirmed.  We then
bought a grinder, since our breeder and quite a few other people said
that they had much better results with a grinder.  That was just as
bad, or maybe even worse, since grinding takes longer then clipping.

Since his nails were short enough, and didn't for health reasons need
to be trimmed, we stopped trimming his nails for quite a few months.
Finally we felt we had to trim his nails since the middle two on each
front paw were getting close to touching the ground.  We asked a friend
who trims his 2 Ridgebacks nails every week try his grinder on our dog,
thinking maybe his grinder and/or technique was better than ours.
Still lots of struggling.

Finally I had an idea that is working great for us.  I thought since
people's toe nails are easier to trim after a bath or shower because
the nails get softer maybe that will work with our dog.  The next time
we bathed our puppy after the bath we tried using the clipper.  He
didn't struggle or complain at all!  A few weeks later after bathing
him we again used the nail clipper on his nails.  Again, he didn't
struggle or complain at all.

Its worth a try, your mileage may vary,
Helena & Babka
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:47:42 EST

mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
> Seeing as this is the season, Did anybody get some neat dog gifts for 
> yourself or your pals?

Taissu got a WONDERFULLy tacky bow (it is from the "nothing over a dollar"
store....  it terrific.
it has red sequins and gold piping, it was sewn into a regular collar- I like it
as it catches light (Taissu is matt black and very hard to see at night))
folks have gotten very tickled over it (she normally wears a pink bow-tie)
growf!
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves
Date: 1 Jan 1993 11:28:04 -0800
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys. at Law, San Mateo, CA
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In a recent missive ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) tells us:
*
*In a previous article, shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) says:
*>
*>It made me SO mad!!!  It seems to me to be *so* irresponsible to have
*>a male of a large breed, known to be aggressive, and to not be able to
*>handle him!...and to not be prepared to jump in and take the necessary
*>corrective action!...heck..*I* was about to jump in and roll him!..
*>but he was *huge* and I figured that as a total stranger to this dog
*>he might well turn on me.
*>
*>No wonder these kind of breeds get a bad name!
*>
*>

*Hey there, hold on there!
*
*I agree with you wholeheartedly that the dog should have had some quick
*solutions to his behavior applied in no uncertain terms but please do not
*join with the crackpots in the insurance companies, the courts (sorry! I
*noticed the JD but I am posting my opinion), and the wacko general
*poluation who badmouth breeds for aggression.

[...]

*What's my point?  You can take ANY dog of ANY breed and through
*mismanagement turn it into a ROTTEN dog.  The responsibility falls first
*and foremost to the OWNER, then to the INDIVIDUAL DOG and last to the
*BREED.  It is people who don't train out problem behaviors in their dogs or
*who intentionally train them INTO their dogs who are the problem before you
*can assign blame to the dog or the breed.
*
*Let's put the blame on the right shoulders here and assign it to a lady who
*didn't train a dog and not pin the rap on a breed again.
*


Er...that was exactly the point I *was* making.  Which is why it is no
wonder these kinds of breeds get a bad name.  Because of their
irresponsible owners.

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From: ah237@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph McPherson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dalmations
Date: 1 Jan 1993 05:11:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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My wife and I have had a dalmatian for 3 years and have found the breed to be
quite enjoyable for the following reasons.

1.  The dog we have is extremely energetic and makes an excellent companion
when running (jogging) for any duration.

2.  We have found our dog to be quite agile.  We take her rock climbing
with us and has proven to have good balance and footing.

3.  We have two young children (5 years and 1 year old) and have found our dog to be an excellent
companion for them.  The dog plays well with the children and handles 
many situations with a very easy-going temperament.

4.  We have found her to be quite protective of the children and the home i
in general.

5.  We have found her to be an intelligent dog and not stubborn.  She was
house broken within one week and took first in her obedience class.

On the down-side 

1.  The breed, in general, suffers from "submissive urination" which
can be aggravating at times.  However, working with the dog can correct 
this problem.

2.  The breed does shed which requires regular cleaning of the floors.
We keep our dog isolated in particular sections of the home to minimize
the shedding problem.

If we can be of further help please e-mail us.

Joe and Valerie McPherson
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From: woodley@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Judy Woodley)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

My parents used to have to occasionally housesit my dad's boss' wife's
poodle, Zsa Zsa.  She was the epitome of the lady and her owner never
allowed 'doggy' behaviour (eg. scratching or licking)--at least in
company.

Well, my parents have a ranch style house with one LOOOOOONG hallway,
half parquet tile and the other half hardwood floors.  Zsa Zsa would
start running down the parquet portion and when she got halfway down
the hardwood portion, she'd put on the brakes and skid the rest of the
way, 'til she banged into the end (a closet door).  

I always thought that she must have loved these 'vacations' when she
could let her doggy hair down.  
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From: vjh21@cas.org (Vince Herried ext 2877)
Subject: Re: dogs and computers
Organization: CAS
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:02:37 GMT

Speaking of dogs and computers, how about some real interaction between
a dog (any animal) and a computer.

To get your thought juices flowing...  I propose the following...

1.  A mike connected near the dog's cage.  The mike is adjusted to close
a switch if the dog is making noises (trying to dig through the bottom of
the cage or what ever).

2.  A radio set to a radio talk show.  The radio power controlled by
the computer (also has a table lamp connected).

3.  A 'nose' press pad inside of the cage near the top, within reach of the dog.
The switch is also connected to the computer.


The computer program:

start:
	turn off radio and lamp.
	set timer to 2 hours.
timer_Loop:
	is 'nose' switch pressed?  if so go to start:
	is timer expired?  if not go to timer_loop:
wake_up:
	computer turns on radio and table lamp.
	go to start:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * the end * * * * * *

Or alternative program:


start:
	set timer to 5 minutes
timer_loop:
	is timer expired?  if not go to timer_loop:
	turn off radio and lamp.
press_loop:
	is 'nose' switch pressed?  if not go to press_loop:
	turn on radio and lamp.
	go to start:

* * * * * * * * * end of program two  * * *

The second program would allow the dog to determine if it
wanted the sound and light and would be kind of none invasive.  
One would of course want to keep track of each time the dog pushed the
switch and log all of the information etc.

We could get more complicated and add a digitised voice
with 'good dog' etc.....

MY grey cells are cranking.....
My old computer is about to be resurected...

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:06:44 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago


I interpreted Anne's displeasure as being completely focused on the woman,
not on the breed.  (dog of a big aggressive breed being aggressive toward
another dog and the woman unable (unwilling?) to intervene or take control)

Anne specifically did not mention the breed's name so that further myth
propogation would not take place.  She discussed the woman's behaviour at
length.  It was her behaviour, not the existence of big aggressive breeds
that she was complaining about.  Am I right, Anne?

The purpose for mentioning that it was a big aggressive breed is precisely
that big aggressive breed dogs who are not under control can do serious 
damage--damage that a little soft mouthed breed dog who is not under control
can't even begin to equal.  If someone doesn't want to train or be in
control of their dog, that's fine with me.  Dogs have different roles in
different peoples' lives.  If you want to pamper and spoil and not train 
your dog, get a cock-a-poo, or a basset hound, or a toy poodle, and keep it
on your own property.  

I've recently learned that one of the (big aggressive breed dogs) that goes
to our local off leash dog park has yet again put another dog in the hospital.
A lot of stitches and atibiotics.  This is not the first time this dog has
attacked and seriously injured a dog.  In fact, several years ago this
particular dog killed another dog at the dog park.  This is the owner's
fault--not the dog's.  But the breed is important.  That kind of damage
could not have been done by an equally uncontrolled toy poodle.

I have no idea why people are attracted to these breeds.  But it is sad and
dangerous for all involved when someone who is not willing to control/train
their dog chooses to get a dog from a big aggressive breed.  Can you tell
that this is one of my pet peeves, as well? 

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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Looking for a dog
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:12:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: pitt.17949
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1h867rINNi0a@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
>
>A dog can be a deterrent, but isn't fool proof.  Also, it would be best
>inside to protect the house as a tied or kenneled dog won't stop a person
>from entering.
>

There are outbuildings to protect also, including a studio.  I was not
planning on having the dog tied.  I wanted to train it to stay on
the property without being tied.  The previous owners' St. Bernard
was so trained.  I guess from the email I've gotten, that this
is not easy to do.





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From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog myths (was Tea-totalling dog!)
Date: 28 Dec 92 05:07:22 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <1992Dec28.001045.6997@midway.uchicago.edu>

Betsy Weatherhead says she thinks a dog's mouth is cleaner than a human's.OM>
(see appended stuff below).  FWIW, I'll have to agree and add some more
hearsay evidence.  My wife took microbiology last semester and her profess
or also maintained that human mouths were significantly less clean than
 dogs'.  Anybody taking micro now, or have access to swabs and culturing
materials?  How about doing a test?

bws

--------appended--------------------------------------------------------
> It is a myth that dogs have less germs than humans.  (I learned that while
> working for a vet). 

I'm not so sure this is a myth.  The vet I worked for believed that dogs'
mouths were fairly sanitary.  It's true that their licking of problem spots
can cause more harm than good, but generally not because of increased
infection.  My other personal experience on this subject comes from working
in an (human) emergency room.  A human bite was considered massively more
dangerous than a dog bite.  Procedures for cleaning, antibiotics, and 
follow-up care differed drastically.  The emergency room was in a teaching
hospital, where doctors came to do a residency in emergency care, so I'm
only assuming that their decision to treat human bites from dog bites was
well founded.

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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Allergic Reaction- Swelling, how fast?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:24:50 GMT


Just one word of clarification (I hope).  It's not impossible to 
communicate with your vet while he or she is in surgery.  The receptionist
will know how.  When it comes to something as threatening as an
allergic reaction which may include the windpipe, insist!  99% of vet
surgery is very, very routine.  Some vets would even say boring.  If
they are at a critical point, they will not respond, but generally
vets can order their lunch, tell a good joke and carry on a conversation
during routine spays and neutering.  I know this will leave many people 
aghast, but we just have to trust their judgement to not be distracted
if the moment is critical.  And we have to trust the receptionists'
judgement if they say it's a critical moment that can't be interrupted.

Can anyone who has worked (or does work) for a vet disagree?  This was
what I observed at the vet I worked for, and to a lesser degree at my
present vet.
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Using names with commands/scolding (Was Re: Opal's...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:24:10 GMT
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho

In article <1h86t8INNplm@overload.lbl.gov> eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson) writes:
>In article <18809@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>> rather than just NO or BAD DOG, it's ALWAYS "Name, NO!" 
>
>Somewhere I got the idea that you are not supposed to use the dog's
>name when you say NO.  Is there a difference between Name, NO! and
>NO, Name!.  Does anyone know the reason for not using the dog's name
>when you say NO?
>
>Enquiring minds want to know.
>

I have read and been told that you should not say the dog's name when
it has been bad because it should associate its name with good things
(whether it is a good dog or not...).  I find it very hard to stick
to this rule, especially with more than one dog.  I THINK the dogs
understand when one is bad but not the others, but I'm not sure.
One thing which is really funny is when I tell one to sit and I get
two sits!  (The puppy hasn't figured this one out yet.)  I'd like
to be able to have each dog understand when a command is for it --
does anyone have any suggestions?


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flexi Tie-Out:  Does it work?
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:42:25 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Kathleen Creighton (casey@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:

: I use the coiled airline cable tether--and any tie-out should be attached
: to a *harness*, NOT to the dog's collar!  I'm very happy with the tether,
: it does not tangle, but you have to be careful about where you attach it
: as it does have a weak spot at the snap (there is a piece that will snap
: off if the end is not freely mobile).  And there are any number of gizmos
: that you can put in the ground to which you can attach the tether (I use
: an overhead cable).  If your dog isn't very heavy, you shouldn't have
: a lot of problem with the in-ground gizmo.

You can get a spring to attach between the snap and what ever you attach
the snap to on the fixed end.  This absorbs much of the shock that a dog
puts on the tie out.  

Karen
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Doggie Xmas
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 16:20:21 GMT

Our Princess got a big "smoke" flavored bone, and Joker got a little one.  The
cats both got cat dancers.  All of the animals are getting heat in the garage.
With air temps at about -10 F and wind chills at -50 F we have been doing a
lot of doggie day care.  Get up, make the dogs go out, run home at noon, make
the dogs go out for 2 minutes, come home after work, clean up the house because
the dogs who are used to coming and going decided it was to cold to go out and
really, a paper shredding party indoors is much more fun...

So, heat in the kennel in the garage where the doggie play ground is seemed like
a good gift.  The gas company is going to install it next week.  The weater
will of course warm up to a balmy 60 then and stay that way all winter.  That
will be the dogs Christmas gift to us. ;-)



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