HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Survey - an open complaint to Compuserve
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:14:35 GMT

In article <22777@sybase.sybase.com> elton@sybase.com (Elton Wildermuth) writes:
>From article <gqVRPB2w164w@drc.uucp>:
>>
>>Please remove the Internet access from account number 70253.2621
>>Chris and Susan Colvin. These people have broadcast the following
>>message on a great many newsgroups they do not have read access
>>to, and the annoyed reactions are taking a lot of network bandwidth.
>
>Dear Mr. System Administrator, Sir:
>
>We out here in NetNewsLand are all too immature to be able to stifle
>our reaction to an inflammatory posting by someone even more immature
>than we are, so we are writing to ask you to help us by slapping these
>naughty people's wrists (and please use a BIG ruler!) because it's
>just too much work for us to sit on our own hands, so could you please
>do it for us, because really, we tried and tried and tried and we just

[deleted]

Sorry.  This would not be the first time someone has gotten in trouble
with COMPUSERVE and not jusdt their sysadmin for pulling a stunt like
this.

Janis C.



Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: K. Cochran is still a homophobe
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:36:00 GMT
Organization: Prairie Chickens R' Us

In article <1992Aug25.195746.2001@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
        stu5s14@bcrka287.bnr.ca (James Cherry) writes:

]You also seem to confuse "homophobic" with "homosexual".  I don't recall
]anyone accusing Mr. Cochran of being homosexual, and even if they did, I'm
]not accusing him of this.  He is, however, a homophobe.

May I make a suggestion, Mr. Cherry, that could vastly improve your
life?  Go for a stroll along Wellington Street, and round about the
buildings with the green tops you should see a bright light coming up
out of the ground.  Go up to the bright light, and climb into it.
From: kebbin@rotag.crud.mn.org (Kebbin Doohickey)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Tales From the Crypt
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:46:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Corrupt Megabucks Corporation, Data Operations Division

In article <robinson-310892112127@psy7.psy.utexas.edu>
        robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson) asks Trish:

]How the hell old _are_ you, anyway?

She's young enough for me!  (All us Kebbins adore Trish.)


-- 
Kebbin Doohickey                kebbin@rotag.crud.mn.org
Corrupt Megabucks Corporation   221 State Highway, Suite 0, Midwest, USA
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: And Now, You're A Coatrack!! Was: without even being asked ....
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:02:44 GMT
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us

In <lefty-280892110716@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>In article <Btnrt0.3uK@cs.dal.ca>, franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
>wrote:
>> [ yadda yadda yadda ] 
>>    Where oh where have demonstrated any loss of confidence or self-image
>> Leftie?
>Then there's a small matter of _several_ pieces of email in which you
>insist, with varying degrees of desperation, that:
>  o  You've somehow accomplished great, and unspecified, things in the 
>     nineteen years of your existence and that I should, for some reason, 
>     respect you for this.

I'm sure that leading "1" in "19" ought to have been a leading "0".  After
all, Stevie is one of the leading zeroes on the net today.
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Flaming Etiquette: Go Git 'Em, Fang! (growrrr....)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:38:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC


In article <Btro1D.3D4@cs.dal.ca>
        franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
]In article <BtrIBz.Js1@rice.edu> andsol@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg) writes:
]>     3) Take your time. 
]   I don't agree with this I'm afraid. Taking your time does not
]promote spontanaeity which most alt.flame'rs appreciate. You see, 
]a well crafted flame is fueled more by intellect and "quick repartis" than
]through time and effort. Now matter how many times you run your flame
]through /usr/bin/ispell, it's not going to get any better. True alt.flamers
]overook typos and grammar, and instead absorb the concepts and sheer
]rudeness and cutting wit of the article.

Repartee for yourself, Superboy.  If you spent time thinking about
what you were doing, you'd have to be put on suicide watch.

]aasdSteveFranklin-Subliminal Psychology Major.ks;dlasBlueJaysRULEkasdfeahsdbfl
]sd;lfaswoq[eBuyMeAQuadra!!!mbIDon'tHavetheTimeThusitisNotImportantnZMXCNdfsba;
]qpuepriuPartyOneqtuj;,n.,xnc,kjasFlameMeNot!;lkj;lkgkjd;askElvisLivesjhfquweru
]zx.cfranklin@ug.cs.dal.ca,sk;t;lrut[Superboy@ac.dal.cav.zx,Physics!eq3rwkh;oHA


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
Xref: sparky alt.flame:12387 talk.politics.guns:20257 talk.abortion:33828
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Rights and Legal Manuevering (Was Re: democratic platform)
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:18:00 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Aug24.053620.8705@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
"I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the net" Darcy) wrote, inadvisedly:
> 
> In article <1992Jul29.172609.15837@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
> 
> >>Does EVERYONE constitute "the press"?
> >
> >Actually, they do.  
> 
> Wrong. To be "the press", one has to produce some sort of written matter.
> Speaking aloud, for instance, does make one "the press", even though both
> written and spoken communications are protected by the First. Written matter 
> is not protected under "free speech". Spoken matter is not protected under 
> "freedom of the press". They are separate and distinct rights, and, in 
> each case, refer to SUBSETS of "the people" -- those who have spoken, and 
> those who have written, respectively.

This tortuous and clearly erroneous interpretation will no doubt be of
great interest to broadcast journalists.

> >Need or not, the 2nd amendment was analysed fairly early.  Cruikshank
> >said that the 2nd and the 1st were both individual rights protected
> >against federal infringement.  
> 
> I see another name. Who the hell is "Cruikshank", and is he or she a
> credible source for ANYTHING WHATSOEVER?

US vs. Cruikshank, sometime in the late 1870s, a decision in which it was
stated that the right to keep and bear arms was was an "inalienable" right
as opposed to one "granted" by the Constitution.

A fairly well-known case, Kevin.

But of course you wouldn't know that, would you, Mr. "Servitus Tigni
Immitendi"?  I see your grasp of Constitutional law equals your grasp of
contract law.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: And Now, You're A Coatrack!! Was: without even being asked ....
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) tells Lefty:

]Perhaps at times I have begged you to stop, but only because I'm in
]pain laughing AT you, or dying from boredom.

Please, Lefty, bore him if you can, and if you can't then get him to
laugh at you.  Either way the effect is fun is to imagine.

]   Ahh yes - if I'm a little cocky and my username happens to coincide
]with a superhero, then clearly - I'm experiencing grand delusions.

Gee, didn't you imply that _my_ user id meant I was a garbageman or
something?  Hmm, by that reasoning, you can fly.

]   Lefty - I was just trying to establish credibility - However you see none,
]because I am not:
]   a) a kiss up 
]   b) liberal democrat
]   c) a computer geek

Well, gee, Steve, we didn't figure you were bright enough to handle
computers.

]   d) an amoral yet oh-so-tiresome wanker like yourself
]   So, clearly, I can see why this distance should exist between you and I.

Actually, the reason for the distance between you and Lefty is hidden
in the previous sentence.


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 05:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Sep2.004534.18788@cfctech.cfc.com>  kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug31.054737.14512@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes
> >In  <1992Aug31.013646.23946@rotag.mi.org>  kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) wri
>
> Doesn't matter. The point was that Susie "broached" the subject of non-
> consensual sex. Chaney did not. Why can't you just admit you were wrong?

Chaney broached the subject of sex with children; Suzanne broached the
subject of child sexual abuse.  (Children being "forced" to roll a
condom over a cucumber certainly sounds non-consensual to me.)
Why can't you just admit you were wrong?

> >I was just challenging your description of what he posted; cleared up by:
> >
> >> You _did_ miss something, Larry. Don had the decency to post his inflammatory
> >> response to alt.flame exclusively.
> >
> >That explains why I saw nothing explicit.
>
> See no evil, eh, Larry?

No, simply explaining the discrepancy.

> >Save it for yourself.  I said that it's inconceivable *for an unbiased
> >reader* ...
>
> The same comment applies. You demonstrate pitifully-limited powers of
> extrapolation and/or objectivity.

Since you're hardly an unbiased reader, the question of objectivity would
seem more appropriately pointed in your direction.

> >> Deny away.
> >
> >OK, I deny that I conceded the point, and I deny that I changed the
> >subject.  Sorry that had to be spelled out for you.
>
> Denials are cheap. I have no reason to accept yours.

Then why did you ask me to do so?

> Does intense emotional confrontation facilitate education, Larry? Sometimes,

Thank you for conceding the point.

> >> >By the way - if you think it's so wrong to discuss, is there any reason
> >> >you keep dragging this out?  A little consistency would be nice...
> >>
> >> Takes two to tango, Larry. I've stopped discussing this with practically
> >> everyone else except you. Drop it any time you want.
> >
> >But I'm not the one saying it's wrong to discuss it, so it's not
> >hypocritical of me to respond to your posts.
>
> You're hardly in a position to criticize.

But I'm not the one saying it's wrong to discuss it, so it's not
hypocritical of me to respond to your posts.

> >(Your responding to everything a week later
> >is also contributing to this being dragged out.)
>
> Assuming you have the qualifications to do so, you're welcome to take over my
> highly-variable volume of work duties _gratis_, so that I may post to
> talk.abortion at a tempo more to your liking, Larry. Short of that, you may
> just have to be content with whatever tempo you get...

It was an aside; I'd be quite content if your length of time to respond
approached infinity.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I don't give a shit about Americans
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <dos105-290892131943@150.203.49.43>
        dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:

]  I detest the media's obsession with the USA. Simply because so much crap
]spews out of the place doesn't mean it should be conveyed to us.

Hey, another Aussie who feels victimized by Americans forcing him to
watch TV reports about the USA.  [Put 'im in the bag.]


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Another good reason to vote for Bush
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:46:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <1992Aug30.223703.22826@rotag.mi.org>
        kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

]In article <Aug.23.22.51.32.1992.18778@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
]>And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
]>mind.
]
]Sorry, KKKaldis. I've already had my US RDA of raw flamebait...

Now wait a second, Kebbie.  I thought it was your moral _duty_ to
flame T*d.

By the way, Kebbin, what did your article have to do with the
chartered subject matter of talk.politics.misc or talk.abortion? The
newsgroup names would suggest that the first has to do with politics
and the second with abortion.

Oh, I get it:   "US" is a political entity and you "aborted" the idea
you had to flame T*d.


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Tales From the Crypt
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:21:31 GMT
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com>
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise

robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson) writes:
-> keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr) writes:
-> > robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson)
-> > writes to trish:
-> > [nothing of interest, except perhaps......]
-> > -> AAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!
-> > 
-> > wouldn't it have been simpler for you to have
-> > openly begged for a little attention?

-> While "openly begging for attention" would have been
->_extremely_ relevant

isn't that what i just suggested?
[...]
-> what I was actually going for was sarcasm.

keep working at it. don't let failures like this
discourage you.

-> So, tell me, how long have you had these
-> knight-in-shining-armor delusions?

naughty, naughty. you're supposed to do your own
homework before you foolishly post.

->  Would you have been so quick to come to the rescue,
-> in a thread that you have heretofore had nothing to
-> do with, if my target had been, say, Mr.  Solberg?

get serious. from what i've seen of you, i don't think
anyone needs to be rescued.

-- 
----
charter member   ...   T.S.A.K.C.
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Re: hitting on dac?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:24:28 GMT

>Clot that he obviously is!
>
I see someone follows the adventures of STEN
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: original stuff
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:17:47 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <Bu0GJ3.56u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mzaransk@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Marcin B Zaranski) writes:
>
>
>soft and silent
>echos
>mimick the reality's
>voice
>promisses unfulfilled
>pain and the funeral
>of my desire
>rain of misunderstanding,
>i love moisture of
>any kind
>
>her face was a blank wall 
>of deep fear
>& life was in her eyes w/ hope
>she smiled sadly.
>
>	Marcin z.


I don't get this; am I supposed to view it wide eyed or Xeyed?

do I need glasses? What should I see?


			Dave "No Smileys today" LeCompte


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From: Curt.Miller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Curt Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: 3d LCD glasses thread
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:09:17 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Does anyone have a copy of the thread that recently appeared in this
newsgroup about 3d LCD glasses?  I just returned to school and the
place where I read news has all of these messages as expired. Thanks.

		UCSKJM@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU    UCSKJM@UWPLATT.BITNET

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   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: rocfong@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (CHEEKEAT FONG)
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:39:18 GMT

In article <smr.714925135@csuvax1> smr@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (smrr) writes:
>From: smr@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (smrr)
>Subject: Re: Test
>Date: 27 Aug 92 14:18:55 GMT

>sanders@andromeda.rutgers.edu (D. Sanders) writes:

>>ngsw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Ng Soon Wei) writes:

>>>This is a test. Pls ignore.

>>This is also a test

>I did ignore it :-)

This is also another test
From: "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: 3-d tv snow
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:47:21 EST
Reply-To: "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

TK>An old issue of Stereo World mentions that a "stereoscopic snow storm"
TK>can be seen on any "empty" television channel.  "Just turn your set
TK>on, hold a filter before one eye, and watch the 'snow' for a few minutes.
TK>After a short time you observe a three-dimensional whirl of snow flakes,
TK>with the fast moving flakes in the periphery and the slow ones in the
TK>center.  Taping a small sticker near the center of the screen makes
TK>clear that the closest flakes are in front of it.  Holding the filter
TK>before the other eye reverses the rotation direction."

TK>I haven't been able to try this yet, because my TV has a "snow detector",
TK>which replaces snow with a solid blue screen.  I'd appreciate knowing
TK>how well this works, before I go make a fool of myself in someone else's
TK>living room.

I gave it a shot.  My eyesight has been tested for depth perception and
it resolves all but the minimun level of it.  I'm trained for
stereoscopic viewing (since age 8 I've made super-8 stereo movies,
stereo pictures and stereo computer graphics).

In my old Toshiba TV, you can see a 3D snow effect on a "free" channel.
I tried two types of quality sunglasses (over my "leading" right eye)
and found the darker ones to be more effective.

The effect, like most 3D, is nowhere near free of the usual "hangover"
after watching, so beware not to try if you are too susceptible to
headaches ;-)

I wouldn't say that you could definetely see a layer of snow sticking
out the screen, but you can see layers.

Then again I could be lying and you could be making a fool out of
yourself at your neighbour's living room within five minutes .... 8-)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Rafael.Ramirez@channel1.com from SPAIN! (A.K.A. RRC)
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: How do I generate the two views for a 3d image (LCD glasses)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:54:28 GMT

>This sig, when I view it cross-eyed shows up in 4 levels.  Listing from back to
>front are:
>
>   Rick    :                    :       Wilson     :               
>           :   --------------   :                  :
>           :  |              |  :       O          :
>       O   :  |              |  :                  :
>           :  |              |  :                  :
>  \    _   :  |              |  :                  :            O
>   \  /    :  |              |  :                  :            _
>    \/     :  |              |  :                  :        \  /
>           :   --------------   :                  : 
>
>

	You are just crossing your eyes too hard.  Relax your eyes and
the images will move back together.  When viewing small images
cross-eyed I find it helps to concentrate on the image in my
non-dominant eye while I begin to cross.  That way I have more control
over the muscles.  The urge is to cross the eyes hard because that is
what we learned how to do to look silly.  Most cross-eyed stereo viewing
doesn't make you look cross-eyed to other people because the eyes only
cross a little.  

                    duane              duane
S                  @                    @
T                    morgan.               morgan.
E                ucs.                ucs.
R                     mun.                 mun.
E                ca                 ca
O                  (  Virtual           ( Virtual
                     Juggler  )         Juggler )




Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:14:14 -0400 
From: Joshua Eli Schachter <jsct+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rendering

What software is appropriate for rendering or ray-tracing on a
DECstation 3100 or 5000?
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: kelly@nmt.edu (kelly)
Subject: Re: POETRY
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:29:01 GMT


Nice poem ...

BUT, we've got to make a new newsgroup: alt.2d, so that IT can be the
default newsgroup to which the uninitiated post---and thus unclutter
our 3-D discussions.  Plus, we can discuss the latest 2-D random-dot
monograms there. :)

--k

From: ngsw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Ng Soon Wei)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:47:30 GMT
Subject: Test
Organization: Ng Soon Wei at Hewlett-Packard Singapore
Newsgroups: alt.3d

This is a test. Pls ignore.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Subject: Re: How do I generate the two views for a 3d image (LCD glasses)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:32:46 GMT

In article <BtLrJ3.MKC@ie.utoronto.ca>, David (SpIke) Drascic writes:
|> Another approach uses a parallel camera configuration.  The problem with
|> this is that everything appears in front of the monitor, making it pretty
|> awful to use.  On the other hand, some distortions and vertical disparities
|> are reduced.
|> 
|> In order to move the display space back with respect to the monitor, you can
|> manually slide the left and right views, thereby creating a
|> psuedo-convergence point.  You can slide the views at the display
|> (electronicially, or through software), or at the camera, by shifting the
|> CCD sensor relative to the lens.
|> 
I believe the claim that everything appears in front of the monitor is an
artifact of the test set-up and that David's second paragraph points in the right
direction to a more general software model.  It is actually simple enough that
I don't think shifting the CCD is actually necessary.  I offer as counter examples
all commercial 3D movies made in the 1950s and the 3D Disneyland/Disneyworld
movie with the blowing dandilion seeds and the witch.  A better example is the
range of peripheral vision of a human.  While peripheral vision is symmetrical
with both eyes, each eye alone has an asymmetrical field of view.  Stereoscopy
is only available in the region of overlap; about 90 degrees.  Since it's not
important for your eyes' fields of view to be remotely the same its not important
for your cameras' or virtual cameras' to be exactly the same either.

Thomas Busey sounded slightly apologetic for using a "low-tech" implimentation.
No need to apologize for that.  For fun, I use an old-fashioned stereoscope, a 
standard camera, and the side-step method.  How do I keep the two images
parallel?  I use the farthest landmark I can see, not my picture's subject, as an 
aiming queue.  This indicates that I'm REALLY using a model a little like the one 
I'm givng David a hard time about.  But mine is less accurate.  Actually I'd love
to see your work sometime, David.

My stereoscope results are uniformly successful (if not artistically excellent) 
because the visual cortex can handle divergences in X and Y gracefully.  I
think it's related to two facts: Almost nobody's eyes line up perfectly.  Almost 
everybody has pretty good stereoscopic vision anyway.  

For an entertaining experiment, see how much misalignment is comfortable and how
much is possible in: X, Y, convergence angle, and (this is the killer) image
rotation.
-- 
				Bruce Gold
				   Utah

DISCLAIMERS:  I have no connection with Reel 3D Enterprises.  This should 
not be construed to reflect the views, work or products of my employer, 
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation.
Newsgroups: alt.3d