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From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: tickets and insurance
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:24:19 GMT

dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:

>todd@crayola (Todd Katz) writes:
.....
>data to judge me as a risk factor.  In 1990 I paid about $1300 to
>insure my 1986 Isuzu Impulse Turbo.  (I live in Oakland, and rates are
>higher here than many places.  Also, the turbo model increased my
>rates $550/year over the identical non-turbo model <ridiculous>.)

An independent agent I had let me look at some of the forms and tables
that he used to compute the premiums.  Most of the companies he used 
basically followed this procedure:

1.	Compute premium based on age, zipcode, tickets, accidents, etc..
2.	Add 50% surcharge for:
	Corvettes
	ANY 4-wheel drive (this was me)
	ANY turbo

	In some cases, there was another surcharge if the car was a
	Toyota or Nissan (FGS would do this in addition to the above)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: johana!tsw@apple.com (Tom Watson)
Subject: Re: Speed trap - Embarcadero&El Camino, PA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:44:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: FBN/GRQ Ink.

In article <1992Aug27.190753.15436@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:
> 
> The Palo Alto Revenue Officers are at it again.  One guy with a radar
> gun on the Alma overpass, and a whole gaggle of cops next to
> Town&Country pulling over everyone in sight.
> 
> 		Rob

This happens al the time in Palo Alto.  You see they want to keep the place
'residential'.  If you check everything out you will find that the places
that are the big money making places are the 25 MPH sections of Embarcadero.
These are all located next to schools, and since everyone knows that the
state says the limit is 25 MPH for school zones (when in session) that is
what it is.  Speed traps and traffic surveys don't count here.  The nasty
places are next to Paly High (mentioned above) Middlefield (Next to Walter
Hays), and a few blocks on the other side of the Alma underpass (Next to
Castelleja).  Just be very careful out there.  On the other sections of
Embarcadero, they need a traffic survey for radar which limits them to
tickets over about 35 MPH.

If you want to go any faster than 25 MPH across town, use Oregon Expressway,
it is one of the few cross town roads that has a higher speed limit.  You
should have been in Palo Alto when the road was put in, what a political
mess.  Be thankful its been there for almost 30 years!!

Keep watching for the PAPD!!
------
Tom Watson
johana!tsw@apple.com
From: jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:50:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu


Thanks for all the advice on this. From the looks of it now....
	I am hosed.

(I bought the car for $100 basically as a favour so I can't ask them
to pay the back registration)

Hmm. Maybe I can claim that the car has no plates and get new plates?
Would that be cheaper? Would I be allowed to do that?

mark
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.064651.4737@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.ANR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Ahren Reed) writes:
>>In article <4768@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>>>CHP has the charter of the highways.  Thus the name.  The State Police
>>>(like most other states) has the charter of all (non-highway) "state
>>>owned" land, such as the Capitol, as well as security detail for state
>>>VIPs.
>
>There has been some talk about State Police having jurisdiction over
>"State Owned" lands, but I would like to pose a question:
>
>  What ticket-writing, and or "regular" police duties to Park
>Rangers have?  I mean, you don't see the State Police in Yosemite or
>other park systems, and there must be SOMEONE who tickets
>off-roaders in vehicle-restricted park lands, and tells drunk
>campers to shut up when they're too noisy.

I cant speak for national or state parks, but have an experience in a city/county
park.  I was cited for trespassing in a Palo Alto park while jogging
because I was not carrying proof of residency.  The Park Rangers had a tie-in
to the DMV computer in their jeep.  They asked for all the information that
appeared on the license and said if I lied, they would take me into custody
not for tresspassing but for various things relating to lying.  (They must of
had a nasty breakfast that day for having to harass joggers to that extent.)

In San Gorgornio wilderness last week the Rangers had written a bunch of $75
tickets for people on the trail without permits.  I do not know if they take
more severe measures if they think you are lying about your identity.  If the
Rangers are heading back to the trailhead, then they take you back.

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:03:00 GMT

Yes I was surpized to see one too, but who do you think protects the
Goveror? and all state office buildings?
the STate police of course!.
(I think that would even incuulde the DMV offices (ie if they ever got
robbed or burgilzed.
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:37:18 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <4768@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>CHP has the charter of the highways.  Thus the name.  The State Police
>(like most other states) has the charter of all (non-highway) "state
>owned" land, such as the Capitol, as well as security detail for state
>VIPs.

They also seem to have some jurisdiction around state prisons.  I
see them around Pleasanton occasionally.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:09:03 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

I think that's true, cause one day I saw a Los Angeles Police officer
writing a ticket in Santa Monica! (out of Los Angeles)
according to Santa Monica police dept , LAPD can enforce the Vechile code
in Santa monica.
too bad, on the internet that no one is a CHP officer who could answer
these questions for you.

Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:30:22 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <19717@fritz.filenet.com> asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:
>
>Suppose you buy a Lexus, and you really like it.  So, you buy another
>one for your wife.  Now you have two.
>
>Does this mean you have two "Lexuses," or "Lexi?"
>
>Enquiring minds want to know!

Buy me two, and I'll tell you.  One ES300 and one SC400 will be just
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:19:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: ca.driving

Try driving 72 MPH in Hwy 80 betweenn Loomis and Newcastle (slightly East
of Sacramento).  Then you'll discover **where** the CHP are (a big revenue
route).
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:30:35 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

I think that person meat to say Univestiy Of California Police are
also state police, not
Cal state University police.
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Subject: Registration of a used car
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:39:09 GMT

A friend of mine bought a car from a guy who is in the navy.  The
DMV claims that since the car was bought from a military person,
an extra fee of about $300 has to be paid for registration.  The
car was originally bought in California itself.

Comments?  Help?

Please send replies directly to dwerner@qualcomm.com.  He doesn't
read news and I'll be on vacation, so I won't be able to forward
your replies otherwise.

Thanks

Chinna
-- 
Chinnappa Ganapathy    | "Think about it.  Look at other parts of the world
ganapath@qualcomm.com  |  today with concentration camps and stuff like that.
QUALCO/\/\/\/\         |  Then look at this silly game.  Kind of puts things
                       |  in perspective." - Bob Gagliano, Chargers Quaterback
From: walt@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Walt Boeninger)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:16:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Organization: the Hewlett Packard Response Center
Newsgroups: ca.driving

In ca.driving, jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski) writes:


> Thanks for all the advice on this. From the looks of it now....
> 	I am hosed.

> (I bought the car for $100 basically as a favour so I can't ask them
> to pay the back registration)

You're right, that probably would not be appropriate..

> Hmm. Maybe I can claim that the car has no plates and get new plates?
> Would that be cheaper? Would I be allowed to do that?

Well, if you went in and said the car has no plates, you would still
have to show the pink slip and the same problem would exist.  If you
tried the ultimate, and obliterate the plates, VIN number and pink
slip, that's a FELONY  (tampering with the VIN)  

The only OTHER idea I can think of is to junk the car, then buy it
back with a salvage title...I'm not sure how you could go about this,
it would probably take a friend in the business.

....or sell it for parts


Walt Boeninger
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:58:29 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Aug27.064651.4737@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.ANR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Ahren Reed) writes:
>  What ticket-writing, and or "regular" police duties to Park
>Rangers have?  I mean, you don't see the State Police in Yosemite or
>other park systems, and there must be SOMEONE who tickets
>off-roaders in vehicle-restricted park lands, and tells drunk
>campers to shut up when they're too noisy.

There are no state police in parks like Yosemite because those are
National Parks, owned by the federal government.  Park Rangers have
full police jurisdiction there.  They can, and do, give tickets,
make arrests, and do everything else normally associated with police.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov



Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: ansok@cco.caltech.edu (Gary Ansok)
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:53:50 GMT

In article <183257@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   On Interstate 80 going up to Tahoe, it seems the CHP like to add
>   insult to injury.  All the times I've seen a sack of CHP's along
>   the freeway, they were clustered on the westbound side.  I guess
>   they figure that if you have any money at all left from the
>   folks in Reno and Tahoe, they might as well take it.  
>
>   Surprising really, you'd think they would want you while your
>   wallet is still fat on the way TO Nevada.

I guess they just think you're more likely to speed going downhill than
uphill.

Kind of reminds me of a car commercial I saw many years ago -- in big
letters, "OUR CAR GOT <some number> MILES PER GALLON" -- in small letters,
"on our test run from Lake Tahoe to San Francisco."  Sure.  I could get
great mileage too, if I could practically coast half the route.  Try
a run the other direction, and see what you get.

Gary Ansok
ansok@stsci.edu

"I don't know anything.  I've been in California for the last three years."
   -- Nick Charles
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Big question...
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:06:19 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

try take Highway 1 (Coast) from San Diego, its go thur a lot of small towns
(ie Oceanside) and stays along the coast, (and later its merges into 101
after/around Ventura or Santa Barbara
check a map (or better yet, get ahold of Thomas Brothers California Road
Guide (available in a lot of Bookstore)
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <183257@pyramid.pyramid.com>
 by lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell):

: In article <3860016@mothra.rose.hp.com> barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry 
:    Fowler) writes:
:> Try driving 72 MPH in Hwy 80 betweenn Loomis and Newcastle (slightly East
:> of Sacramento).  Then you'll discover **where** the CHP are (a big revenue
:> route).
:
: On Interstate 80 going up to Tahoe, it seems the CHP like to add
: insult to injury.  All the times I've seen a sack of CHP's along
: the freeway, they were clustered on the westbound side.  I guess
: they figure that if you have any money at all left from the
: folks in Reno and Tahoe, they might as well take it.  
:
: Surprising really, you'd think they would want you while your
: wallet is still fat on the way TO Nevada.

No, they want you coming back.  On your way out, you're happy, alert, 
ready for anything, and full of anticipation.  On your way back, you're 
miserable, tired, sleepy, and not quite all there.  You're easier to 
catch coming back.

In terms of money, they're gonna get it either way, so it doesn't
matter.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
"I am not a number!  I am a free man!"  -- Number Six
"AH HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!"  -- The New Number Two
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2079 rec.autos:21446
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:38:38 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

I suggest that the proper plural is "Lexi" and a good collective
term would be "an expenditure of Lexi," reflecting my opinion 
that for $40 000 a car ought to come with an upper-half-of-the-room
cleaning robot that protects the upholstery by intercepting your 
spilled coffee in midair.

Then again, if your financial situation permits you to drop a
substantial fraction of the price of a house and only get a car,
there's no denying that the Lexus is a nice one.

Joe "Not that it matters on my salary" Chew
From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:32:34 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

In article <1992Aug27.150004.10693@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>I suspect they often work in clusters for their own protection.  They are lots
>of angry people out there with guns in their cars.  If one officer gets in
>trouble, there are others nearby.

I have seen the CHP clustered like this in south Monterey County on 101 by King
City. I have heard that what they are doing is training their newbies in
catching speeders and writing tickets. An interesting aside, I once got
nabbed by a trainee in Coronado and the regular officer in the car
(after a long wait) came up and actually apologized to me for the time
it was taking his "newbie" to write up the ticket and everything.
From: Ed.Evans@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Registering a used car w
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 29 Aug 92  08:29:02

JMN>Can anybody suggest some way to get around this?

I just found some more information that may help.  Try CVC 4604.5 (a):
"Owners of vehicles for which the registration has expired on or before
July 1, 1990, may submit a certificate of nonoperation in lieu of fees
or penalties under this code or Part 5 (commencing with Section 10701)
of Division 2 of the Revenue and Taxation Code for any period during
which the vehicle was not operated, moved, or left standing upon any
highway prior to the first annual registration renewal date of the
vehicle after July 1, 1990."
___
 X SLMR 2.0 #1708 X My reality check just bounced.

--- Maximus 2.00
From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions pl
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:01:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

You can sign under penalty of perjury that the car was not in use for 2 yrs,
pay the $5.00 non-use fee (*2 for 2 yrs), then the current fees. Talk to the
manager at your local DMV. Worst case, go to the law library and look up the
relevant regulations.

Renee Roberts
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: RADAR ALERT on 101!
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:23:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.232049.10296@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:

> Just
>don't depend on the detector as your only way to spot the revenue
>officers.
>

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in this group, but if
you have a scanner or radio receiver that can receive the frequency
154.905, give a listen there while driving.  This is the frequency
used by the CHP for their mobile extenders.  The mobile extender is a
mini-repeater system in the car that allows an officer with a small
low-powered Handi-Talkie to communicate with a dispatcher.  Since the
range of the system is designed to be limited (officer doesn't stray
too far from the car), reception of the signal can indicate the
proximity of a CHP unit.  It is best to use a rubber-duck type antenna
on the scanner or receiver, and have it inside the car, to limit the
signal strength, or one will hear constant activity--the idea is to
hear only those strong signals from nearby transmitters.

Mobile extenders are generally left activated when the officer is in
the car, even though the officer needs it only when out of the car.

-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: Ed.Evans@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Registering a used car w
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 29 Aug 92  08:29:00

JMN>So in addition to the transfer and registration fees they want me to pay
JMN>the back registration for the last 2 years and penalties!
JMN>This seems pretty unreasonable to me.

Right, it seems unreasonable, but then the idea of $$$ and
accountability come into the picture.

CVC 4452 says that a Certificate of Ownership Without Registration may
be issued if the following is met:

(a) The application is submitted in proper form.
(b) A certification has been filed with the department, pursuant to
subdivision (a) of Section 4604, that the vehicle has not been driven,
moved or left standing upon any highway so as to require payment of
fees . . . .

And it goes on.

CVC 6404 (a)  says that an "owner shall file, under penalty of perjury,
a certification that the vehicle will not be operated, moved, or left
standing upon any highway during the subsequent registration year
without first making an application for registration of the vehicle,
including full payment of all fees."

I think your friend should have taken out a Certificate of Ownership
Without Registration.  The state has no way of know the status of
your car without some sort of documentation.  Looks like it's too late
now. :+(

Ask DMV again, sometimes you get different information.  CVC seems
pretty clear, though.
___
 X SLMR 2.0 #1708 X Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: CHP
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:51:14 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

The chp do a lot of things, some times in small cities, they are the police
dept (other then the sheriff), also there is one VC law that lets you tried
your traffic ticket at the county seat, (ie take San Bernardino County)
if you got a traffic ticker say in Needles, you can request your traffic
offense be tried in the County Seat (which is San Bernadino) the odds are
the officer (esp a local officer) couldn't that far, 
(CHP officer are aware of this Vecihle code law, you can find more info
about this in "Fight your Ticket"  also there is one catch, you must live
(or work) closer to the County Seat then where you got your ticket.
(that works great for Los Angeles County residents), 
but not so great for Barstow/Needless residents)
From: barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:11:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: ca.driving

Relating to the CHP between Loomis/Newcastle on Hwy 80 to/from Tahoe.

Actually, they do work it both ways.  The ususally get the Eastbound traffic
on Friday and Saturday and Westbound on Sunday afternoon.  Actually, 
they're targeting the Bay Area people making the weekend Tahoe runs
who aren't familiar with their tactics.  In addition, someone from out of 
town is less likely to challenge the ticket because of the inconvenience.

The local court here is getting very full with people contesting these 
tickets, even to the point where the neighbors are complaining about
the parking of the masses of these "criminals" in their streets while 
attending court.

The best pickings for them is the long, straight downhill run in Newcastle
Westbound.  You can see straight for about 10 miles and it's pretty safe at
high speeds and downhill.  It's not real easy to see the rat pack plane
unless you hand your head out the window and look up.  It's hard not to 
speed on this portion of the road.  A conscious effort must be made to 
decelerate.

As far as I can tell, this practice is done solely for money as this portion
of the highway is quite safe and I have seen few accidents on it in the 
last 11 years.
From: mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:46:18 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <4768@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Kenneth C. Wunner <kcw@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM> writes:
>
>	What function does the State Police perform as opposed to the
>	CHP?
>
>CHP has the charter of the highways.  Thus the name.  The State Police
>(like most other states) has the charter of all (non-highway) "state
>owned" land, such as the Capitol, as well as security detail for state
>VIPs.  Lots of other states lump highway patrol in with the "normal"
>State Police, but California is in a small group of states that see it
>as being significant enough to warrant its own force.

     I don't know how most states do it, but in Oregon, the State Police
patrol the highways, but they also deal with all other forms of law 
enforcement from bank robberies to family disputes.  It seems that in 
CA, the local (county or city) police take most of this responsibility
and the CHP are just traffic cops.  It was kind of strange for me when
I first moved down to CA and wondered who took the responsibility that
the state police took in Oregon.  Know I know.

Mike
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San Jose CA
(408) 721-8075