From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:22:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.193447.16332@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes...
>In article <C007FI.Fun@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
>|> I personally know at least four families who are more interested in
>|> sucking blood from these programs than getting jobs and becoming
>|> responsible.
>|> 
>|> One of them actually sells their foodstamps to others.
>|> 
>|> This all makes me sick, and when my tax dollars are spent on those
>|> who truly need them, rather than the welfare society that our know-it-all
>|> liberals have created, I'll be the first to use the above argument.
> 
> 
>The real problem with our welfare system is that it "traps" people
>into a cycle of poverty, from which they cannot emerge.  Many people
>cannot afford to live on welfare.  So they seek out a job.  If they
>can find one, it pays less than welfare does, and it will probably
>cause them to lose their welfare benefits.  So they stay out of work
>because they have kids to feed.  I think that this is one of the 
>problems at the base of America's decline.  People are unable to 
>work or can't find a job.  They are unable to raise their children
>with the values that they were raised with.  I think that the number
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I don't understand what you mean by "values" here.
> 
>When you give people jobs, you give them dignity.  With dignity, they
>can raise their children right, pass on morals and help keep a sense
>of order in our society.

This hasn't been my experience.  It sounds wonderful, but reality
says otherwise.

Those four families I mentioned earlier have all been given numerous
"jobs", and have managed to lose each and every one of them, NOT because
they weren't capable of doing them, but because they were too LAZY and
undisciplined to be there on time, and every day that they should
have.  If there was a problem, they didn't even bother calling in.

And they clearly didn't care.  Why?  Because they knew that welfare
would bale them out.  How do I know?  They told me.

> 
>How are we going to do this?  I don't know, but until we figure it 
>out, these people have to eat somehow.  Welfare was never meant to
>be a permanent program, and it has not worked well in the long run.

All welfare recipients should be required, if physically able, to
perform ... GASP!!!.... some form of community service.

That's a darned good, positive, and constructive beginning.

> 
>Jared Dahl
>Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
>Don't send e-mail - I won't get it.

Jim Graham 

        -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
                          Neither do they speak for me.
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