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From: pooler@cobb.cs.rpi.edu (Robert Poole)
Subject: Re: Enter Sandman MOD
Keywords: help me find one!!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.003144.15111@cis.ohio-state.edu> abend@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (dan edward abend) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.205823.12840@ultb.isc.rit.edu> scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu (Alex) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.210201.2311@nmt.edu> iguana@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) writes:
>>>
>>>I really like the Metallica "Enter Sandman" mod, if the 
>>>dude/dudette who did it is reading this.
>>>
>>>Shawn Clever
>>You liked that mod?  No offense to the person who write it, but It could have
>>been much better.  If we;re talking about the same mod, the guitar lead is 
>>all wrong.  Nice Idea though...
>>  ='''    scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu    __.     Tote welpen machen kein spass.
>>  c oo    sdl7253@ultb.isc.rit.edu  ///.                   -Ogden Edsl
[stuff deleted]
>I would like to see someone re-do this mod.  Considering no one else has,
>this is the best we can hope for.  I like the mod too but know it could be
>done a little better.  I think the bas guitar sample could have been better
>too.
>
>Someone, anyone, please give a crack at re-doing the Enter Sandman mod.
>It has really promising potential.  I have the music hear and know it
>isn't as easy as you might first think...
>
>Dan Abend
>AMIGAphile

It seems that all the Amiga mod files I've heard that are based on Metallica
songs quite frankly suck.  I have a mod of the Orion instrumental from
Metallica's "Master of Puppets" album.  It is off tempo, has wrong notes, and
cuts parts of the instrumental short.  In fact, it cuts out some of the best
parts of the original song.  Too bad.  I know that they can be done better.

Rob Poole
pooler@rpi.edu
pooler@cs.rpi.edu
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From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod)
Subject: Re: Amiga & Sound
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:17:39 GMT

Whew, pass the bong man.  What were you smoking when you wrote that?  I want
some!

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From: magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald)
Subject: Amiga Midi software wanted.
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:33:36 GMT



Wanted:  Bars and Pipes Professional.
Preferably cheap.

Possibly interested in The Copyist software as well.

john macdonald
magundi@uwo.ca
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Music-X 2.0!?
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:18:00 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Is it true that a version 2 of Music-X will be released soon??

In that case, who are the guys behind the project? What are the new
features? When will it be available?

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From: hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Who wrote...
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:57:31 GMT

Oh no! Marc got me thinking! ;-)

In article <someobscurenumber>  (Marc J. Brown) writes:

>>mod.1992
>
>U4ia of Megawatts.  Probably the most productive mod-writer there is...

You got me thinking, guy... I'm curious to see who IS the most
productive mod writer, in all seriousness. This might be a reference
to who has the most time if you know what I mean, too... I tend to
write in spurts, whenever I have the time. I have only done about 4
this month, but then again the norm for me is 8 to 10 a month. I've
got er, (quick count) around 50 of mine overe here on floppies... then
again, I probably delete three out of five I work on due to utter
frustration and lack of motivation to finish... :-P (That number sould
really go up, like to 7 out of 10 or 4 out of 5. I have let a lot of
_crap_ stuff leave my machine over this past year).
	Er, how many do you usually write in a month? It's not really
fair to ask you, Jim, due to the current state of affairs, but how
many were you up to at peak?
	Anyone else wanna throw numbers in? I am curious to see how
much music we're pputting out into this Amiga world!

::sigh:: Gotta go, Protracker calls...

(Of course, I have no sex life anymore thanks to the Amiga.)

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From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: CLI-based MOD-Player
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:05:29 GMT
Reply-To: juncewic@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (thomas michael juncewicz)
Organization: Drexel U. - CCD - E4

In article <1992Nov12.130349.18464@cis.ohio-state.edu>
juncewic@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (thomas michael juncewicz) writes:
>I'm looking for a mod PLAYER that can be used to play mods from the CLI or
>a script; no fancy screen, no gfx, no editing, just playing.  If one exists,
>could someone direct me to an ftp site?  Also, if it matters, it should be
>compatible with ProTracker.  Thanx in advance.
>
>Tom
>

   Both Multiplayer and EdPlayer support "NO Interface" modes of operation that
accept scripts and AREXX commands for control.
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Roland D-5 editor/librarian anyone?
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:25:50 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Nov10.120126.1@us.oracle.com> ccongdon@us.oracle.com writes:
>Does anyone know if there is a public domain patch editor/librarian for the
>Roland D-5 on the nets anywhere?  An FTP address/location would be greatly
>appreciated.  Source code for an editor/librarian I can modify would also do
>just fine.
>
>Also (alternately), has anyone found a commercial D-5 editor/librarian
>other than the one sold by Sound Quest?

My D5 editor should be finished soon (couple of weeks I hope), if you don't have any success I could mail you my source, its nothing flashy but it saves money
on ram cards, they cost about 50 pounds here!

Buenos Aires
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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: band in a box
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:55:05 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
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Ed Stokes (ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com) wrote:

: This routine takes a chord progression as input, and generates a
: rhythm section for practicing over. Is this available for Amiga ?

Shouldn't "SuperJam!" do the job for you...?

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From: dostie@ccrs.emr.ca (M Dostie)
Subject: *** MIDI Software for the Amiga ***
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:03:14 GMT

Ok, I've got the hardware but the software which comes with it is
junk...so...what is a strong piece of MIDI software that I can get
which will support my little ol' PSR-500 Yamaha and has a easy 
musical editing feature???

	MD

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From: abend@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (dan edward abend)
Subject: Enter Sandman MOD
Keywords: help me find one!!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:31:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.205823.12840@ultb.isc.rit.edu> scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu (Alex) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.210201.2311@nmt.edu> iguana@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) writes:
>>
>>I really like the Metallica "Enter Sandman" mod, if the 
>>dude/dudette who did it is reading this.
>>
>>Email me, I don't often get to read this group.
>>
>>Shawn Clever
>>(iguana@jupiter.nmt.edu)
>
>
>  You liked that mod?  No offense to the person who write it, but It could have
>been much better.  If we;re talking about the same mod, the guitar lead is 
>all wrong.  Nice Idea though...
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I would like to see someone re-do this mod.  Considering no one else has,
this is the best we can hope for.  I like the mod too but know it could be
done a little better.  I think the bas guitar sample could have been better
too.

Someone, anyone, please give a crack at re-doing the Enter Sandman mod.
It has really promising potential.  I have the music hear and know it
isn't as easy as you might first think...

Dan Abend
AMIGAphile

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From: Carl.von.Loesch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Carl von Loesch)
Subject: TanzTrax 1.0 - a very small MED module (MMD0)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Distribution: europe
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:26:47 GMT
Keywords: med mod amiga lynx kraftwerk

	Hello.. I got acquainted to MED now, and this is what I did.
	A mod worthwhile to pick up.. especially for its size/sound
	value.. just 25K - something like 2 minutes of good
	almost kraftwerk-style groove, great for endless play.

	It's a prerelease.. I wanna get some feedback before I
	continue.. I might produce a bigger version later on.
	But I already love this one.. I kept listening to it
	for 6 hours in the last two days. Yes, over and over again.

	It was written with MED v3.20, a rather old version, I
	wonder if there has been any more recent non-shareware
	edition. Should be playable by all recent multiplayers,
	but just in case I also placed the appropriate MEDplayer
	on the same ftp. Which ftp?

	My local ftp, next version will then go into aminet.

	ftp from ftp 134.106.1.9 in /pub/amiga/incoming/mods.

	I would appreciate feedback a lot.  :)

-lynx
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From: iguana@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: New MED MOD files????
Keywords: help me find one!!
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:02:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov4.210201.2311
Organization: New Mexico Tech



Are there any cool new MED /MOD files out there?  Where are they at?  What
are they called?  I really like the Metallica "Enter Sandman" mod, if the 
dude/dudette who did it is reading this.

Email me, I don't often get to read this group.

Thanks!

Shawn Clever
(iguana@jupiter.nmt.edu)
From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Amiga guitar interface ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:07:11 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

Is anyone aware of an interface which would allow one to play
notes on a guitar and feed both analog and MIDI into an Amiga
synthesizer (e.g., Synthia). Something along the lines of Roland
GK-1/GM-70 set, for example...a guitar pickup (GK-1) which generates
MIDI and sends its analog output to a "guitar synthesizer" (the
GM-70).

Thanks,
Ed Stokes
ebstokes@crd.ge.com
From: ep@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Ed Porras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: *** MIDI Software for the Amiga ***
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:09:36 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

You need to consider price also...

I believe KCS and B&PPro cost about the same: $200
B&PPro's retail price is around $300...

Blue Ribbon Soundworks, is planning on releasing B&PPro v2.0 on December 22.
This is supposed to be a major revision including things like
Video Toaster controls, imagine controls, and other cool stuff. But the 
major improvement is on notation...
hopefully it will make my need of buying a notator program obsolete..
Suggested retail price: $429 (i think)
this will put the street price at around $300 - $350
yes, the price is a little high, but if you plan to spend a sequencer and a
notator it will cost you about the same, if not more.
Since I'm a registered user, i can upgrade for $100...

look around and buy what you like the best

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From: nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen)
Subject: Re: Random modplayer?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:55:48 GMT
Originator: nilsco@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Nov12.074058.10881@cs.ruu.nl>, hpverwei@cs.ruu.nl (Dick Verweij) writes:
> Is there a modplayer that can 'shuffle' play between mods. e.g. You give a
> directory full of mods, and the player plays them in random order.
> (like a CD-player)

I believe DeliTracker can do it, but it really eats memory. IntuiTracker does
it better :-) (of course, since I am coding the new version).

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From: infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann)
Subject: Who made this tune?
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:28:04


Could anybody please help me on this:

Who made the awesome techno-tune mod.Cult of Techno (on nic.funet.fi)

I would like to get in touch with him if possible.


Thanks!!
From: grahamh@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Hay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Marillion MOD
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:09:03 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

Oh my god, what have I done! Yes its true, I've made a protracker module
of "Cover My Eyes". If you want it then you can find it on:
wuarchive.wustl.edu
in
/systems/amiga/incoming/mods/other
as
Cover_My_Eyes.lha

If you can't get it there and still want it ( why? i know not) then 
mail me at
grahamh@uk.ac.ed.castle (preferably) or
gnh@uk.ac.ed.dcs

Cheers,
Graham.
From: elm4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Ed Mackey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: CLI-based MOD-Player
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:51:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov12.170529.17862@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, stuart@lorelei.ece.drex
el.edu (Stuart R. Harper) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.130349.18464@cis.ohio-state.edu>
>juncewic@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (thomas michael juncewicz) writes:

>>I'm looking for a mod PLAYER that can be used to play mods from the CLI or
>>a script; no fancy screen, no gfx, no editing, just playing.  If one exists,
>>could someone direct me to an ftp site?  Also, if it matters, it should be
>>compatible with ProTracker.  Thanx in advance.
>>
>>Tom
>
>   Both Multiplayer and EdPlayer support "NO Interface" modes of operation that
>accept scripts and AREXX commands for control.

However, EdPlayer 2.1 comes with a program called "EdPlayer Jr" that has
no mouse/intuition interface whatsoever, and therefore saves lots of memory.
Both EdPlayer and EdPlayer Jr can be controlled from ARexx or CLI.

CLI control involves a small program called "telled" (also included with
the EdPlayer archive, it is only 436 bytes and can be made resident)
that is capable of sending commands to EdPlayer from CLI scripts without
the need for ARexx at all.

NOTE: This post was not intended to start another which-player-is-better war.
Just taking advantage of an obvious opportunity to plug my software ;-) ;-)

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From: mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Who wrote...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:33:19 GMT

In article <1dhsq8INNtkk@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>I am looking for the names and internet addresses (where applicable) of
>the composers of the following MOD files:
>
>space debis

Captain of Image ... Last I heard (from another member of Image), he doesn't
write mods anymore.  Space Debris is my #2 all-time fave (Beyond Music,
also composed by Captain, is a little better...but you can tell the guy has
a limited style :).

>galaxy 2

Firefox of (what is it, Phenomena these days?)  That mod came from the small
demo Vectormania.  He has probably written a great deal more, but the only
other mod I can associate with him is Enigma (from the excellent demo of
the same name), which he only half-composed.

>odysey.mod (series)

Some guy in Alcatraz... I forgot :).  Don't know of any other stuff he's
done either.

>mod.1992

U4ia of Megawatts.  Probably the most productive mod-writer there is...
he has whole directories devoted to him on certain sites.  For a while,
he didn't have an Amiga to work with... I'm not sure how that situation
is going currently.  Look on wuarchive.wustl.edu and amiga.physik.unizh.ch
for more of his stuff.

>I would also appreciate it if anyone could give me the names of other
>mods written by the same people (or at least have a similar style to the
>ones listed) and an FTP site where those may be available.

The ones listed are of somewhat diversified styles :).  Any new, halfway-
decent mod would probably be a good one :).  (especially ones specifically
ripped from Eurodemos).

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From: paulj@gdwest.gd.com (Paul D Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Problems with Sonix instruments
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:26:01 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

In article <1992Nov9.223433.8768@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>I am using Audition 4 to make sound samples into instruments for Sonix.
>As you probably know, Audition has a provision to save samples as 1 3 or 5
>octave Sonix instruments. They when I try to load some of these into the
>Sonix instrument requestor, some will load and others will not. I can
>get some of them to load if they have 3 octaves, but others will not load
>at all. Also, some will only play the white keys of the scale, not the black.
>keys. 
>
   I've had a similar problem using IFF samples with Dr. T's Tiger Cub
sequencer.  You might try saving the samples as basic IFF files (not the 
3 or 5 octave type).  I couldn't get any of the 3 or 5 octave files to
load with Tiger Cub.

			- Hope this helps,
			  Paul D. Johnston
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From: gencon06@titan.ucc.umass.edu (WatchDog)
Subject: Re: CLI-based MOD-Player
Organization: University Computing Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.130349.18464@cis.ohio-state.edu> juncewic@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (thomas michael juncewicz) writes:

> I'm looking for a mod PLAYER that can be used to play mods from the CLI or
> a script; no fancy screen, no gfx, no editing, just playing.  If one exists,
> could someone direct me to an ftp site?  Also, if it matters, it should be
> compatible with ProTracker.  Thanx in advance.

I am currently in the process of coding an ARexx front end for Edplayer v2.1
(using the EdPlayerJr that comes with that release.)  As soon as I get the
on-line help coded in, I will release it.  First to Ed himself to get it 
included in the distribution of EdPlayer, and then possibly on it's own, with
a text describing what it needs.  I am toying with having it use Leggi as the
text reader for help messages, I was wondering what the general opinion would
be of such an action.  (yes another thing to be installed before and/or by my
front end.)  My decision is based on looking at the available commands useable
thru Leggi.
                                                -WatchDog
From:  (Vantage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Arex MIDI
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:10:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-music-16.uoregon.edu

Does any one know of an Arexx MIDI program so I can talk to MIDI devices
through CanDo?  
I would not mind writing one in C if I knew were to get a hold of all the
info I needed.

Also, has any one ever used the new version of MIDI Sample Wrench?   Is is
worth checking into? 
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From: nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen)
Subject: Re: Random modplayer?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:25:05 GMT
Originator: nilsco@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no


In article <1dv9v3INNc90@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
> EdPlayer can do this (and the interface even looks like a CD player). 
> You choose a "program" of MODs using the file requester, and select the
> random play switch (only on Edplayer 2.0 +).  This is my MOD player of
> choice, at it supports all the Tracker formats and MED 3.21 format.  The
> interface looks (and operates) similar to a CD player, and you also have
> the option of showing a keyboard that shows the notes on the keybord as
> the MODs play.  You can control the fade level at the end of a MOD, and
> many other aspects.

But it still has the annoying busywait bug and it looks awful on 4000 (ie.
opening a lores screen in front of a productivity looks *awful*).

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