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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Moen's Klint - pollution
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:56:16 GMT
Organization: VTT / Lab. of Structural Engineering
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rat.vtt.fi

I am feeling really pity for the Baltic Sea as it looks like it is becoming
more and more polluted every year. I still can remember times when I could
easily see the bottom at more than ten meters depth, but not any more. At
our coast the see is still reasonably clean so that we can swim there during
the summer but the southern parts of the Baltic See are like a septic tank.

For 14 years ago I spent two weeks in Danmark and then all the beaches were
splendid for swimming and such. Nine years ago when I spent there another
two weeks the beaches were nice too. Then six years ago the beaches of the
biggest island (Sjaelland) were already almost too dirty for swimming and at
my last visit to Denmark two years ago none of the old famous beaches of
Falster were good for swimming any more. They smelled bad. What a change!

At the last visit we drove to an island called Moen. At the east end of it
there is a large natural park and a couple of high hills (Moen's Klint) with
very steep slopes to the see (like at the Dover). It was a beautiful place 
with very high trees and dark forest scenery. But when we descended to the
see level to see the slopes from there we noticed that the water was grey and
brown and it smelled like a Russian toilet!

We puked(!) and hurried off back to Sweden where most of the lakes are still
quite clear (except for the Skaane district!). It was the wish of our kids
that we'll never ever go back to those southern islands of Denmark.

I know that we are to blame for this situation in Denmark too but I'll ask
anyway : Is it a custom to pour your wastes straight to see in Denmark? It
made me think of the famous line by Shakespeare: "There is something rotten
in Denmark". If there was a factory then I'd understand that the water is
polluted but to my knowledge there is nothing such on the Moen.

Do you know of any other places in Scandinavia which originally are for
turists but are in the same shape as Moen? Please let me know.

-- 
Tapio Leino
Technical Research Centre of Finland / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
mail: VTT/Rakennetekniikan laboratorio, P.O. Box 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
tel: -358-0-456 6683, telefax: -358-0-456 7003    e-mail: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: 100 secrets about nude beaches
From: engan@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:40:11 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan24.042939.21251@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, larsent@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LARSEN  TORE HOIVAAG) writes:
> engan@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <1993Jan22.201825.2522@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, c_snet@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>> Hello folks!!!!!
>>> I'm a exchange-student living in Nacogdoches/Texas and I wonder  
>>> if anybody can tell me how to find E-mail adresses to teacher-schools
>>> or "H0YSKOLER" in Norway. I just neeeeeeed to get the adress to
>>> Alta Laerer-Hoyskole!!! If you have any good jokes about Sweeds you are
>>> also welcome to write me, or if you are a exchange-student, or if you
>>> have anything at all you want to share with me, write me!!!!
>>> :-)
>>>
> 
>  Just use a Netfind-search. We have one hear at Boulder: bruno.cs.colorado.edu
>  Login: Netfind
> 
>  If you ever go to Northern-Norway give me a call.
> 
>  Tore:)
> 
>>What's this, jokes about Swedes. You must mean jokes about Norwegians.
>>Like : - Do you know how to destroy a Norwegian submarine?
>>       - No.
>>       - Just dive down to it and knock on the door...
> 
>>Ha' det!
>>Tomas.
>>>
> 
> GOD this sweds are funny!
> 
> NOT!!!!!
> 
> larsent@ucsu.colorado.edu
>
I don't know about the "sweds", but the Swedes are a bunch of funny guys!
The Norwegians are kind of funny too...

engan@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU   <Tomas Engstrom>
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: laakkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: The Swedenfinns are worried about their language
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:06:09 GMT

In <d1wzm.728133655@dtek.chalmers.se> d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se (Kristian Wiklund) writes:

>d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson) writes:

>No, you're totally wrong!!! Those 180000 people most likely didn't
>speak Finnish (Fischish?) or perhaps it was 180000 persons named Finn?

if (you_know_something)
	tell_us; 
else 
	shut_up;

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mortenny@idt.unit.no (Morten Andersen Nyg}rd)
Subject: Norsk Olympisk Pin Klubb
Reply-To: mortenny@idt.unit.no (Morten Andersen Nyg}rd)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:40:17 GMT

Hei, 

Er det noen der ute som vet adressen til Norsk Olympisk Pin Klubb?
Jeg skulle gjerne ogsaa likt aa vite om utenlandske medlemmer maa
betale noe mer enn norske for sine pins, og om det eventuelt er noen
kjoepeplikt eller medlemskontingent.

Haaper at noen kan svare meg paa dette.

Paa forhaand takk,
Morten. 


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Morten Andersen Nygaard     *  The Norwegian Institute of Technology *
Volveveien 14,              *  Department of Computer Science        *
N-7033 TRONDHEIM
NORWAY                      *  Norway: Land of the Vikings, whaling  *
                            *          and the 1994 Olympic WGames.  *
Phone: +47-7-931656

Internet: mortenny@idt.unit.no       OR              man@solan.unit.no
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Moen's Klint - pollution
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:58:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.112534.1@jt.dk> linaa_all@jt.dk writes:


>There is only one way out, for the polluted water: Through the narrow Danish
>straits, and it's symptomatic, that the pollution is concentrated on the 
>southern parts, where the Danish islands stops the tidal change of water.

>You were absolutely right when you stated, that the water smelled like
>a Russian toilet - "It is!"

In a previous communication I have told about some natural causes that
may cause bad smells and bad-looking water. I would like to continue here
concerning a possible misunderstanding of the nature of pollution:

Most organic pollutants become a part of the "nutritional chain" (whatever
it is called in English) for the various organisms living in the water.
The toilet contents from Russia and Poland thus first get "eaten" by
bacteria and other microorganisms (algae) then by small animals and
finally by larger animals (fish, sea-birds, seals and men). The first of
these naturally occuring steps are enhanced in sewage treatment plants
(so-called biological treatment).

When this chain goes wrong it is due to overproduction of one or the
other species. A few years ago Norway, Sweden and Denmark thus saw a lot
of fish death caused by the unusual growth of poisonous microscopic algae.
This was most likely caused by an unusual combination of nutrients
in the North Sea and adjoining waters which was influenced by human
pollution as well as by meteorological conditions.

The basic problem of the Baltic is in the distribution of fresh and 
salt water which don't mix well enough and which leads to an unusual
flora and fauna. Only a few sea-weeds can take brackish water, and some
of those which can, grow much larger than in pure salt water because of
limited competition. If the Baltic was all fresh-water it would most 
likely appear much cleaner!

Rolf Manne
Department of Chemistry, University of Bergen

e-mail: Rolf.Manne@uib.no
From: d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se (Kristian Wiklund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Swedenfinns are worried about their language
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:20:55 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson) writes:

>ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>>Swedish governement that there is 320 000 Finnish speaking people living
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^
>>in Sweden and a half a million Finns immigrated to Sweden during the latest im
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>migration wave. 

>Your figures looks quite strange, Jarmo.
>may I ask what happened to the 180 000 others...

>Oh I forgot... We'd probably gas 'em to death in our
>secret concentration camps, right?

No, you're totally wrong!!! Those 180000 people most likely didn't
speak Finnish (Fischish?) or perhaps it was 180000 persons named Finn?

>- Henrik Jonsson , d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se

>Hej MB!!

/Kristian

Jag vill ox} h{lsa till MB!
--
inherit "/std/signature";
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: RE: S|RSTR|MMING P.U.!
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:04:58 GMT

In article <5079.312.uupcb@thcave.no> kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:


>JS> The smell is the one of v>tesulfid (8bit ASCII) or v{tesulfid (7bit
>JS> whatever that is in english, Hydrogen Sufide i presume.

>Try H2SO4

>Kjetil

Hardly. H2SO4 has a high boiling point and consequently low evaporation.
Pure H2SO4 does not smell at all. 

Many smelly substances, however, are organic compounds with merkapto-
groups (-SH). I believe it is ethyl-merkaptan which causes the bad smell
of sulphate paper mills (Mosselukt to Norwegians). The ordinary smell
of fish is caused by amines (-NH2 groups) from the decomposition of
fish protein. Since some amino acids in protein also contain sulfur
it may be an amine with an -SH group. Organic chemistry, however, is not
my field of work. 

Rolf Manne
Department of Chemistry, University of Bergen

e-mail: Rolf.Manne@uib.no
From: c_snet@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: 100 secrets about nude beaches
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:18:22 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello folks!!!!!
I'm a exchange-student living in Nacogdoches/Texas and I wonder  
if anybody can tell me how to find E-mail adresses to teacher-schools
or "H0YSKOLER" in Norway. I just neeeeeeed to get the adress to
Alta Laerer-Hoyskole!!! If you have any good jokes about Sweeds you are
also welcome to write me, or if you are a exchange-student, or if you
have anything at all you want to share with me, write me!!!!
:-)
From: d92mbe@efd.lth.se (Martin Bergendahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Swedenfinns are worried about their language
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:47:49 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

>>Your figures looks quite strange, Jarmo.
>>may I ask what happened to the 180 000 others...
>
>>Oh I forgot... We'd probably gas 'em to death in our
>>secret concentration camps, right?
>
>No, you're totally wrong!!! Those 180000 people most likely didn't
>speak Finnish (Fischish?) or perhaps it was 180000 persons named Finn?
>
>>- Henrik Jonsson , d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se
>
>>Hej MB!!
>
>/Kristian
>
>Jag vill ox} h{lsa till MB!

Tjenare, grabbar! De e MB himself.

Well, actually I am in part Finnish, because my mothers family
comes from Wermland. LOTS of Finns immigrated to northern Wermland
in the 18-19th century, so there are the lost 180.000!
(Nowadays we call ourselfes Vermlenningar, and are thinking of
becoming independent, as is the trend in Europe these days.)

< Martin Bergendahl >
From: d9goran@dtek.chalmers.se (Goran Svensson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:42:43 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Jorma M{ntyl{ (tijoma@uta.fi) wrote:
>: In article <hberg.308@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>: 
>: I regret that foreign readers of soc.culture.nordic may think that writers
>: like Mr. Ryyti or Mr. HVaisanen represent something in Finland.  They just
>: represent a rather small but noisy minority.

>Where I have written that Finland had to move borders in the east? C,mon.
>If I write about a situation it does not mean I am demanding new borders!
>The Economist wrote about the Karelians recently. Is it demanding new
>borders? You make wrong conclusions. Check my post better and please
>do not put into my mouth what I have not written. 

 - Stuff deleted -
>Regards,
>jarmo

MY HOOVERCRAFT IS FULL OF EELS!

            //G|ran
--
 "A true friend always stabs you in the front" - Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: cmiy565@chpc.utexas.edu (Dean)
Subject: Re: Norwegian whalers have the right to live!
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:38:53 GMT

In article <C1A7yw.84B@cs.vu.nl> rhtfest@cs.vu.nl (Festen RHT) writes:
>rhtfest@cs.vu.nl (Festen RHT) (thats me!) wrote:
>
>
>need meat/fish. I DON't think it's ok. to kill because it's a way of life
>for the butchers (from what I understand whale hunting is very exhilarating).

Exhilarating. I imagine that is an understatement. Which is why I have
wondered before if no one had considered making a game sport out of it.
It seems this could be much more profitable to the Norwegian whalers.
A tourist type industry.


>If one considers THAT as an argument, I think one doesn't care about the
>concerning lives that much -right?
>

Of course not, they are just animals.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: haavardf@elektron.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng)
Subject: Re: Some facts on norwegian whale-catching and fishing
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:39:07 GMT

In article <1jm9onINNgd8@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> Espen J. Vestre <espen@coli.uni-sb.de> writes:

   Some excerpts from the Statistical Yearbook of Norway of 1988:
   Excerpts from Table 301: "Small-whale catching":

   Year:   Vessels:  Whales   Quantity:  Value 
		     caught:             (including subsidies):
   1972    96        2695     5.2 Ktons   17.3 MKr
   1973    99        2059     3.7         14.4


According to my friends at the Institute of Biology, hunting of minke whales
was maintained at approximately 1972-levesl for a couple of centuries 
without noticeably affecting the population. Based on ecology/sustainability
arguments the marine biologists were apparentely _quite_ annoyed that it was
stopped.


H}vard Fosseng
From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: RE: DARK NORWEGIANS (WAS:
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 29 94 41
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)


JT> I believe the 'Black Irish' are people who came from Spain at the ti
JT> of the Spanish Armada -- they couldn't get back to Spain because the
JT> ships were all destroyed, and they certainly couldn't go to England!
JT> have a friend who's of almost entirely Irish descent (the other 1/32
JT> Dutch) and yet his entire family has dark hair and brown eyes.

It *may* also have something to do with the practice of wealthy
catholics to send their children to study in Spain. It were wery
close ties between Spain and Ireland. (Even Eamonn de Valera came
from Spain).

Kjetil

>XBoard 1.0 #173> Internet: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: Re: Norwegian whalers have the right to live!
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:35:44 GMT


>   Or US politicians who are looking for an Environmental Issue, who
>   gratefully jump onto the save-the-whale bandwagon instead of
>   tackling Real Environmental Issues, like the industrial pollution
>   of the oceans which BTW is a much bigger threat to the (uh)
>   threatened species of whale.
>   It well and truly *Pisses* *Us* *Off*!!!!
Well, if they try to do something with the industrial pollution
they will have to look for another job after next voting for new
candidates of the parliament:-) Maybe they even loose their 'job'
even earlier, or they get an offer they can't resist.
  It is so much easier to attack a third part which even is a big
help to the Russian government. Anti-whaling means huge coast
areas with no population on the norwegian coast, and therefor
noone to report foreign submarines and othe navy traffic (both
KGB and CIA and the US marine will have much easier times in the
north area when there is noone living along the norwegian coast!

>
>Well it's time to get off the soap box and get to work. :-)
>
>Thank you for your time!
>
>- Steinar
>
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Blonde Jokes
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:06:10 GMT
Organization: 'Vilse i Pankakan'-survivors Anonymous

In article <93023.2245212971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>No doubt:  they are sexist, racist, etc.  Bad, bad stuff, but oh so funny.
>I can only imagine why they're not popular in Scandinavia..

  Yawn, do you think we are Americans here or what? :)

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: rhtfest@cs.vu.nl (Festen RHT)
Subject: Re: Norwegian whalers have the right to live!
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:56:55 GMT

rhtfest@cs.vu.nl (Festen RHT) (thats me!) wrote:

>  The question is ofcourse how important whale-lives are. Considering what
>you wrote, I guess you don't care that much about them?

There was some comment...

If they are more important than pigs, cows, etc.? No. 
I don't think the mass killing of cattle is that great. I do think slaughter
is ok. to some extent, becaus we -more or less (please no flame, I beg!)-
need meat/fish. I DON't think it's ok. to kill because it's a way of life
for the butchers (from what I understand whale hunting is very exhilarating).
If one considers THAT as an argument, I think one doesn't care about the
concerning lives that much -right?

-- 
~~~~~~~~RHT Festen, Amsterdam, The Netherlands~~~~~~~~~rhtfest@cs.vu.nl~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Moen's Klint - pollution
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:17:51 GMT

In article <1jm6hgINNebr@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:

>I am feeling really pity for the Baltic Sea as it looks like it is becoming
>more and more polluted every year. I still can remember times when I could
>easily see the bottom at more than ten meters depth, but not any more. At
>our coast the see is still reasonably clean so that we can swim there during
>the summer but the southern parts of the Baltic See are like a septic tank.

more stuff deleted...

I had my first experience of the Baltic on bicycle trip around Oeland in 
1951. What I particularly remember was the smell of rotten seaweed at
the bird-watching station at Oelands soedra udde which might have led
a sensitive person to puke. The reason for the smell was certainly not
pollution. Where I live now, on the Norwegian west coast, there is also
little pollution. Still, some times of the year the water changes color
due to seasonal growth of microscopic algae, vattenblomning in Swedish.

I believe the problems of the Baltic are related to the shallow Danish
straits which prevent the influx of heavy oxygen-rich salt water except
under stormy weather like the present winter. Since the salt water
stays at the bottom it gets depleted of oxygen leading to anaerobic
conditions and the formation of hydrogen sulfide (smells like rotten
eggs and is as poisonous as hydrogen cyanide). In some waters (polls
is the technical term, could possibly be described as mini-fjords)
this happens without pollution.

What I dare to say is thus that what the bad experiences of the Baltic
described may not be due to pollution but to natural conditions which are 
likely to change with time. Still, it is important to limit pollution to 
the Baltic which may have lower capacity for "self-cleaning" because
of poor oxygenation of the deeper strata.

Rolf Manne
Department of Chemistry, University of Bergen

e-mail: Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: larsent@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LARSEN  TORE HOIVAAG)
Subject: Re: NORWEGIAN WHALERS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:51:55 GMT

J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:

>In article <4880.312.uupcb@thcave.no>
>kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:

>> 
>> EJ>   Watching it all from the outside, resuming whaling seems like an
>> EJ> utterly stupid act.  The young country Norway acting as the rebellin
>> EJ> child of the world community...
>> EJ>   Regardless of what one might think of whale hunting, it's obviousl
>> EJ> a Good Cause Worth Fighting For.
>> 
>> But whom might the militant vegetarians pick on next? Reindeer
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> eaters? Moose eaters? Mutton eaters? They have to be stopped!

>I don't agree with whale hunting on a commercial basis, either, but I
>must say something regarding the 'militant vegetarians'.  Here in the
>US, one sometimes hears them calling us meat-eaters 'speciesist'; a
>play on the word 'racist'.  Of course, these people only eat plants --
>does that make them 'kingdomist'?

>Sorry that I can't post this in Saami for your reading enjoyment.... 

 I hope you will _learn_ something about 'Norden' while reading this
 group! :-)

>:-)

>--Ted Schuerzinger
>email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
>"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
>was 'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:27:01 GMT

In article <C15w5q.HqK@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan) writes:

>hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.121444.21075@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>Jarmo, you silly fascist revanchist:  Finland's claims to Petsamo are 

>Fascist? I do not see that Jarmo is advocating a corporate state.
>Perhaps I missed something somewhere?

You're right, of course, in a pedantic sort of way.  God knows what Jarmo is 
advocating.  I was using 'fascist' in the sense of ultra-right nationalist.

So let's have a quiz:

Suppose someone claimed that 

A) a minority inside his country were traitorous 5th columnists, in spite of 
the fact that this minority had been a productive segment of society for 
centuries.

B) his countrymen outside the borders of his country were being oppressed 
and mistreated by the authorities.

Am I talking about:

1) Adolf Hitler (A = Jews; B = Sudeten Germans)?
2) Jarmo Ryyti  (A = Finland Swedes; B = Finns in Sweden, Carelians)?
3) Slobo Milosevic (A = Croats, Bosnians, Albanians; B = Serbs)?

First prize is a trip to Jyv{skyl{ at your own expense.
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