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From: ucess2j@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jaroslav Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: FAQ for this group??
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:00:53 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

I rarely read this group, so could some kind soul point me towards
the FAQ, if there is one. I can't seem to find it in the obvious
places. If ther is no FAQ, maybe some one could answer the following
question:
Some time ago I seem to remember that there was a trick for
turning the crippled H'card that you get free into the fullblown
app. It involved typing some sort of 'magic' message into the 
command box. At the time I ignored this since I ahd no use for H'card
but now I have been given a stack which I need to edit some of the 
scripts, so I was wondering what the trick was.

Thanks

Jaroslav Stark

(j.stark@ucl.ac.uk)
From: rdoiel@mizar.usc.edu (Robert Doiel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Runtime Hypercard 2.1 player
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:08:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

*I am posting this for a friend
*replies sent here will get to him.

Has anyone out there played with the new HyperCard Player yet?
I saw an article in MacWeek about it, that it would be bundled with
the new machines and was indeed just a player -- no user scripting was
possible.  There was also mention of developers being able to imbed
enough of HyperCard to make the stacks work as standalones.

I am interested for two reasons:
1) to make sure that my stacks work in case anyone should ever need to
   use them with the player.
2) I am working on a stack for work which would be perfect for this,
   if the runtime version takes us less RAM and/or disk space.

Does anyone have information at all on it?  I called Claris' customer
support number, but the representative didn't even know of it.
(Of course, he also could not find my registration in the computer...)

Thanks,

-Theron Trowbridge
^
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: XCMDs and global/static data - help
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:13:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.194012.3418@netwise.com>, tonym@netwise.com (Tony Miller) writes:
|> I have a Mac application developed with MPW C that I would like to
|> make accessible through HyperCard.  However, the code contains quite a
|> bit of global and static data, and apparently neither is allowed in an
|> XCMD.  I was wondering about the feasibility of squirreling this data
|> away somewhere in memory accessible to my XCMD, maybe in an INIT.

I would use HyperCard globals to store the information, assuming that there
are no nulls in your data.  Make sure you pick a name that nobody else would
pick for a HC global.

	--Mark

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Book or Stax on Publ/Subscibe
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:22:43 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a good book (OR sample stacks) to show him how
to communicate between HyperCard (v 2.1) and Word 5 and Hypercard and Excel 3
or 4.  The AppleEvents primer stack hasn't given him much joy.

Essentially, he's wondering how to access Publish & Subscribe through
HyperCard.  Any suggestions would be gratefully received, preferably via e-mail
and I'll publish a summary of responses on the net.

Thanks in advance,

Fergus Sullivan.
Trinity College, Dublin. 
e-mail:   fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie
Vox:      +353-1-300261
From: jwr1@ecsa01.encon.pge.com (John Rostoni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: What is WindowCraft?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:27:03 GMT
Organization: Pacific Gas & Electric, SF, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I purchased Windowcraft about three months ago and was somewhat disappointed
with the Hypercard converter for 2.1.  In the menu selection box on the
PC it appeard as a (BETA) version.  Calls to Windowcraft finally confirmed this.

It appears a newer version is shipping (or about to) that would fix the
many problems I had with the conversion of 2.1 stacks (1 of 15 converted at all)


I wish they would have been up front about the beta version before I sent
them the bucks! :-P

Live and Learn or Perish

John Rostoni
jwr1@encon.pge.com
From: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Psychological experiments
Date: 22 Nov 1992 07:09:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <11633@spark.ed.ac.uk>, by jcb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Broadbent):
> I've been asked by a psychologist friend to find out what (if any) use
> hypercard has been put to in the experimental psychology field.
> Specifically he would like to know about navigational tasks and
> possibly also of timed tasks (self-paced or not). If you have any
> references to papers that describe experiments run using hypercard, or
> you know of any stacks that might be of interest to him, please mail me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan Broadbent
> Centre for Cognitive Science- Edinburgh University
> jcb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk

Jonathan,

  My advisor, Chandler Screven has been using Hypercard for museum studies
recently (Applied Behavior Analysis - testing the effectiveness of museum
exhibits in conveying information to the visitor). I helped him write a few
stacks for testing purposes (tests the visitors knowledge of specific
exhibits).

  I have also designed a stack that did some instructing on psychiatric
drugs for patients, it incorporated the use of Macintalk to read specific
information to the client (ie. drug names and provide positive reinforcement
for correct responses to questions).

  One of the biggest problems is that Hypercard is fairly slow at times,
depending on stack size and speed of cpu.

Joel Callan
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Department of Psychology

Standard disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect the
opinions of the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, nor those of the
Department of Psychology.
  /`-_                   callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 {     }/ Joel E Callan             Hey, why do you think I have the answer?
  \   ./  2909 N. 44th Street         May you sit on the tack of success
   |___|  Milwaukee, WI  53210        and rise to the occcasion!
-- 
  /`-_                   callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 {     }/ Joel E Callan             Hey, why do you think I have the answer?
  \   ./  2909 N. 44th Street         May you sit on the tack of success
   |___|  Milwaukee, WI  53210        and rise to the occcasion!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: go
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:32:28

  There was and still is a small confusion, because the go command seems
  to behave differently from a handler then from the message box.

  Why do I say this? I am writing a stack, in which there will be at least
  two backgrounds. The first is a card for a year plan, the second is a
  detail card. I had the idea to name a card of the first background according
  to the year it was about. In the card of the second background I naturally
  had to add a button to go to that card. From the date (in a field) I get
  the year and even though I quote it I could not use that to go to the plan
  card. That the variable contains something that looks right, I see in
  the variable watcher (my version is 2.0v2). I know that if I write in
  the message box: go card 1992, that doesn't lead anywhere, but if I quote
  the year: go card "1992", I'm in the right card! But in the handler this
  doesn't seem to work and I wonder why. (If I prefix the year with letters
  it does it, but...)
--
!
!	Jyrki Wahlstedt
!		Jyrki.Wahlstedt@hut.fi
!
!  Our life is no dream, but it should and will perhaps become one.
!
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Can't open Script Editor??
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:57:42 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <92325.113515KGHDB@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Hans DeBano
<KGHDB@ASUACAD.BITNET> wrote:
> 
> Any thoughts on why this might pop up all of a sudden when a
> minute ago I've been happily modifying the same button script?
> 
> If I duck out of Hypercard and jump back in, it's fine (I can get
> back into the Script Editor) I apologize if this is a FAQ...

Sounds like fragmented memory.  Increasing your partition size would help. 
You might be running a skanky XCMD that abuses memory.

Jon
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: increasing the max field length in HC from 30K?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 NOV 92 12:16:38    

 warner@mtu.edu (Thumper (Nate)) writes...

>I have an HC stack that record the contents of disks, including what's in
>compact pro and stuffit archives.  Unfortunately, a few of my archives consist
>of more than 30K in info.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to
>increase the max size of a field.  This would help me a lot.  Pre-Thanks!

I have thought of this problem before.  One sloppy hack would be to have 
overlapping fields and when you reach the end of the first scroll field (the 
first 30K) a hidden scroll field number 2 would appear and you could continue 
in that field for another 30K.

I haven't actually executed this, but I think it is possible.  Perhaps you 
would check the scroll of field 1 and when its at the end scroll setting, you 
bring up field 2.  

I hope this is somewhat inspiring :)
From: shebs@apple.com (Stan Shebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Word 5.1 & AppleEvents
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:19:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: delos.shebs-171192100253
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <7875@lib.tmc.edu>, draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (E.J. Draper)
wrote:

> I think this is a larger problem for Apple than they think it is.  If
> Apple wants the developer community to adopt object model AppleEvents,
> and this will be essential if AppleScript is going to succeed, it will
> have to do the following:
> 	
> 1) Document the object model in *far* less esoteric terms.
> 2) Embark upon an educational crusade.  
>    (Not just horrendously priced DU classes)
> 3) Simplify the implementation.

AppleEvents are like the bare X protocol.  You can write efficient code
to drive a display on the other side of a network, but it would be very
difficult.  To use the X protocol, you have Lisp and C libraries to do
the most useful things in a function call style, and then you get a
toolkit to encapsulate groups of calls into interface objects, and then
you can use a scripting language like Tcl/Tk to build useful things.

Personally, I think the basic API and object model is fine, but it's
very low-level and should be much less visible to normal application
developers.  AppleScript will help a lot with understanding the
high-level view of things - it can show you an English description of
an event, for instance.  We could use more toolkit-type AE support,
but I don't know what that should look like.

If it's any consolation, nobody else has this figured all this out
either.  Competitors are systems like OLE and ORB, but they're also
hard to use and not well-accepted yet.  Even the research world
hasn't agreed on a scheme to link objects in multiple programs.

Stan Shebs
Apple ATG System Software (but speaking for myself, of course)
shebs@apple.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: kaschenb@fraser.sfu.ca (Kevin Ernest Aschenbrenner)
Subject: Hypercard on Mac Classic II
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:29:23 GMT

Does anyone know the reason why certain key buttons
are covered over in the version of Hypercard sent with
the Mac CLassic II?  I have used Hypercard before, and so
I knew that they should have existed (I am speaking of the
preferences buttons that are limited to userlevel 2, unless
one knows to remove the covers.)  Why is this done, and why
does it make no mention of it in the manual.  I have a friend
who is new to Hypercard and wouldn't have known that these 
expanded userlevels existed if I hadn't found how to uncover
them, and showed them to him.  It just seems odd to me.

Kevin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: About.. menu item
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 20 NOV 92 13:15:31    

In article <By0KM5.9D9@news.chalmers.se>, roma@pe.chalmers.se (Robert Maglica) writes...

>Hi there,
>Does anybody out there know how to change the About.. menu
>item in the Apple menu ?

put "About whatever..." into menuItem 1 of menu 1 with menuMsg "aboutScript"

Note, you must have a routine 'on aboutScript' that handles the call when 
someone selects your new About menuitem.
From: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: FAQ for this group??
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Nov17.150053.27796@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucess2j@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Jaroslav Stark) writes:
>Some time ago I seem to remember that there was a trick for
>turning the crippled H'card that you get free into the fullblown
>app. It involved typing some sort of 'magic' message into the 
>command box. 
>but now I have been given a stack which I need to edit some of the 
>scripts, so I was wondering what the trick was.
>
Open Hypercard
From the home card:
Turn to next card using arrow key (shows one or two user levels)
Command-M to get message box
Type <magic> to enable the rest of the levels.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: g_rehn@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Geoff Rehn)
Subject: Re: Runtime Hypercard 2.1 player
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: External Studies Unit, Murdoch Uni.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:50:04 GMT

> Has anyone out there played with the new HyperCard Player yet?
> I saw an article in MacWeek about it, that it would be bundled with
> the new machines and was indeed just a player -- no user scripting was
> possible.  There was also mention of developers being able to imbed
> enough of HyperCard to make the stacks work as standalones.
> 
> I am interested for two reasons:
> 1) to make sure that my stacks work in case anyone should ever need to
>    use them with the player.
> 2) I am working on a stack for work which would be perfect for this,
>    if the runtime version takes us less RAM and/or disk space.


I met this new player only yesterday. Apparently Hypercard will not be
shipped with the Macs anymore - not enough revenue coming in for Claris's 
efforts.
As I understand it, the player will play any stack created in HyperCard.
To get HyperCard in future, the user will need to purchase from Claris.
I did not note the memory requirements of the player.

I wonder if this development will have an adverse effect on the use
of HyperCard, if it now has to be purchased separately?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Why HyperCard
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 19 NOV 92 15:42:16    

If SuperCard does everything that HyperCard does and does it in color.  Then 
why are we using HyperCard???
From: shannonb@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Looking for "Osmo Island"
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:22:09 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

I am looking for a copy of "Osmo Island". I had it years ago, and have since
bought a copy of "Spelunx" from the same author.

Does anyone have either a copy and could mail it to me , or direct me to an
archive that staill has a copy/

Thanks in advance

Bruce Shannon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: bbooz@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (William Booz (Bill))
Subject: Creating Two Indices
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fairfax)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:37:53 GMT

I am creating a data base stack of books an authors. Each card
will contain author's name and title of book. There may be
several cards with the same author name, but the book title
will, obviously, be unique on each card.  I have successfully
created an index for the titles by scanning through the cards
and putting the title field into a variable, setting the name
of the card to the title of the book and then placing the
variable into an index field on a separate card/background. How
can I easily create another index of the authors and make my
field script go to the selected work? My band-aid solution is
to read the author name, a colon & space, title of book and
short card id into variable which in turn is placed into index
field for authors. The index field script can then pick up the
cd id # as "last word" of the chosen line and go to that card.
I don't like having that number visible to the user, however.
In addition, I have thought that it would be ni not to repeat
an author's name when there are several books by one author,
but rather to have the index field recognize that there is more
than one card with a book by the selected author and display
(perhaps an otherwise hidden field...???) the list availab. A
click on this field would take the user to the desired card.
Any thoughts and/or suggestions?
 
-- 
            _______________    __o        Bill Booz, Fairfax, VA
        _________________     -\<,       bbooz@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu
                        ......O/ O            Biking Is Fun!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: ygor@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C))
Subject: Re: Why HyperCard
Organization: Johns Hopkins U. Applied Physics Lab
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.115256.12352@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.214400.12876@macc.wisc.edu>, demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit) writes:
|> > If SuperCard does everything that HyperCard does and does it in color.  Then
|> > why are we using HyperCard???
|> 
|> I dunno, lots of reasons...one of which is that SuperCard *doesn't* do
|> everything that HyperCard does.
|> 
|> Or so I gather (not being a SuperCard user).
|> 

  One good reason is that Apple now includes a stripped down version of
HyperCard with the System Software (since 6.0.7. or so , as I recall).

  You can RUN just about any stack with it, but you cannot create or modify
stacks unless you know some magic.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                               Dan White
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Sometimes  I  think  the  surest  sign  that  intelligent  life exists
 elsewhere  in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
                                                  Calvin (Bill Waterson)
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Importing/accessing text files
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:17:44 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford) writes:
>1) The read command only lets you import 16k at a time (according to
>the Complete HyperTalk Handbook).

Untrue.  The amount you can read is limited ONLY by the available
memory.
From: jkc@Apple.COM (John Kevin Calhoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Apple Events
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:37:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


In article <jpugh-131192214813@kip2-50.apple.com> jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
writes:
>
>send <message> to program <zone:machine:program>
>
>This causes the remote machine to execute <message> which is limited to 255
>characters for no sensible reason.

The "send" keyword does not impose this limit on the length of the message.
You can send a message that's nearly 64K in length, if you want to.
However, if you send a message longer than 255 characters to HyperCard,
you'll have to deal with it yourself in an "appleEvent" handler, because a
HyperTalk command is in fact limited to 255 characters.  This limitation is
not new:  you can't execute a HyperTalk command longer than 255 characters
anywhere, not from a script, not from the message box, and not from an
Apple event.

Whether or not this limitation is sensible is a different discussion.

Kevin Calhoun
jkc@apple.com
From: d.olson@apple.com (Donald Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Importing/accessing text files
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:55:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.164034.15856@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford) wrote:
> 
> I would like to thank everyone for their help in solving this problem. Your
> assistance has been invaluable....
> 
> But...
> 
> 1) The read command only lets you import 16k at a time (according to
> the Complete HyperTalk Handbook).
> 
> 2) There is no mechanism to search backward in a file. (ie. you can read
> until a certain character/word/whatever, but there is no way to tell HC to
> "read until Mercutio then go back 100 lines and import the next 200"
> 
> These are the problems confronting me now... Any suggestions? Will HC 2.5
> remedy these? When will it be out, anyway?
> 
> Jim

Remember once you've read a file into it you can use chunk expressions on
'it 'such as:
	put the number of lines in it into Foo
 put line 100 to Foo of it into Gertrude

and so forth.

The 16K limit is no more in HC 2.1

Donald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: Stephan Bublava <stephan@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Apple Event questions
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72D5AA509012E02@htumac1.tuwien.ac.at>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14: 03:17 GMT
Organization: E 187/2, TU Wien
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:59:44 GMT

1) Can I control the level of user interaction, when I send a message
to a remote Hypercard stack? Can I determine whether interaction is
allowed or not?

2) When using "answer program ... of type ..." what type must I pass 
to only display HyperCards in the list?

Thanks in advance,

Stephan 

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Stephan Bublava                          stephan@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: nbs@mdf.mitre.org (Norm Sutherland)
Subject: Re: pop-up menus
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:22:30 GMT

In article <009638E9.69FE3040@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2db5schraba@vms.csd.mu.edu 
(Aaron Schrab) writes:
> Is there any way to do pop-up menus in hypercard, either with an XCMD or 
some
> fancy scripting?

I have a copy of an old stack called "Developer Stack", dated June 1988, 
that contains a nifty collection of shareware XCMDs, XFCNs, readymade 
buttons, etc.  The stack includes an XFCN that will let you create pop-up 
menus.  I have no idea if the contact is still current, but for what it's 
worth, the stack says to obtain a copy, send $10 to

   Steve Drazga
   AnalytX
   Box 388
   Southampton, PA   18966
   (215) 464-3733

Good Luck!!   BTW, to anyone else reading this, is there an updated 
version of the Developer Stack or its equivalent for HyperCard 2?  The 
collection of stuff in the old stack, even though it dates back to '88, 
has proven to be extremely valuable.  Sure would be nice to have the same 
kind of goody-box for HC/2.

Norm Sutherland      |     nbs@mdf.mitre.org
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