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From: kamal@cc.gatech.edu (Kamal Karlapalem)
Subject: NBC :- State owned telecast :-)
Reply-To: kamal@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing / Georgia Tech
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:31:29 GMT


After watching NBC's olmpic telecast for four days it seems 
to be that NBC is using its position as a sole broadcasting 
station to thrust whatever it feels like on the general 
viewing audience.

I would like to get a good picture of what is going in all the 
events in olympics. Not just swimming, diving and the dream team.

I also feel they are spending too much time on reiterating 
how good their swimmers are, or how good the dream team is,
how good Shannon Miller is, etc. By now I know all about the 
life histories of the american participants, but have watched 
very few thrilling and interesting olympic events.

NBC takes the fun out of olympics. 

The latest fad is the music videos, I would go and watch Madonna
on MTV if I wanted that.

I wish there was more competition in telecasting these games.

Any comments.

Kamal. 


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kamal@cc.gatech.edu                     Kamalakar Karlapalem

Database Research Laboratory,           College Of Computing, 
Georgia Institute Of Technology,        Atlanta, GA 30332-0280.                  
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT mo 27.7.
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.220118.16141@cs.hut.fi>, killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>  
>

I consolidated the German (Germany, East Germany and West Germany) medals and 
the EUN medals (EUN + SOviet Union, because EUN is a commonwealth of former
Soviet Union States), so it looks like the following

> 
> 
>          TOTAL MEDAL COUNT
> 
> 
> USA		   756   573   491
EUN		   401	 320   286
Germany		   313   341   344
> Great Britain	   172	 223   209
> France	   164	 168   174
> Italy		   140	 114   117
> Sweden	   134	 145   169
> Hungary	   126	 114   138
> Finland	    98	  75   111
> Japan		    87	  76    82
> Australia	    74	  67	90
> Romania	    55	  64	85
> Checkoslovaki	    45	  51	46
> Norway	    42	  33	34
> Canada	    40	  62	76
> Poland	    40	  57	95
> Switzerland	    40	  55	53
> Holland	    39	  44	60
> Belgium	    39	  43	45
> Bulgaria	    38	  63	52
> Denmark	    33	  60	53
> Yugoslavia	    26	  29	29
> New Zeland	    25	   6	21
> Turkey	    24	  13	10
> China		    23	  30	24
> Cuba		    23	  23	15
> Greece	    22	  39	40
> Austria	    18	  26	34
> South Korea	    18	  22	25
> South Africa	    15	  14	21
> Argentina	    13	  19	14
> Kenya		    11	   9	11
> Mexico	     9	  12	18
> India		     8	   3	 3
> Brazil	     7	   9	20
> Estonia	     6	   6	 9
> EUN		     6	   1	 0
> Spain		     5	  13	 9
> Egypt		     5	  13	 8
> Ireland	     5	   4	 5
> Ethiopia	     5	   1	 4
> Iran		     4	  11	15
> Jamaica	     4	  10	 6
> Pakistan	     3	   3	 2
> Morocco	     3	   1	 2
> Korea		     3	   0	 5
> North Korea	     2	   5	 5
> Portugal	     2	   4	 7
> Uruguay	     2	   1	 6
> Russia	     1	   4	 3
> Venzuela	     1	   2	 5
> Trinidad	     1	   2	 4
> Tunisia	     1	   2	 2
> Uganda	     1	   2	 1
> Peru		     1	   2	 0
> Luxemburg	     1	   1	 0
> Bahama Island	     1	   0	 1
> Surinam	     1	   0	 1
> Zimbabwe	     1	   0	 0
> Mongolia	     -     -     +1
> 


Please, no political flames!!!!

Veit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: NBC Coverage Somewhat Better
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:21:41 GMT

Maybe they've heard some complaints and taken them to heart.  Maybe
we'll be lucky the rest of the way.  But NBC's Wednesday night coverage
was noticibly improved over previous shows.

Not so say that there were still some major shortcomings.  There was far
too much fluff.  The pointless music video.  Enough medal ceremonies to
drive me star-spangled bananas.  And inexplicably no mention or highlights
of the US soccer team who finished their visit to Barcelona with a most
respectable record.

   BTW, my latest sports fantasy:  I've just won the gold and the
   interviewer comes up to me.  I say, "Tell the producer not to bother
   showing the medal ceremony.  Do something useful with the time.  Show
   some shooting or soccer or table tennis or some athletes from Bolivia or
   Guam or Iceland or somewhere that doesn't get a lot of coverage here."


But plusses on the night:

They gave full coverage to the Men's 400 freestyle, an exciting race, in
spite of a lack of US entrants, let alone contenders.

A big segment on equestrian for a change - The Course From Hell.

The diving commentator was still extremely annoying, but she was not
so blatantly anti-Chinese in her remarks.

A closing feature on an amazing foreign athlete, the Siberian wrestler
whose opponents would rather lie on their backs and concede (no more
ethical than feigning gymnastics injuries IMHO) than face the prospect
of being body-slammed by him.  (Ironically, there was a comment on the
radio this morning about the springboard diving champion who had been a
wrestler.  They said that the two sports were among the most incompatible
they could think of.  Obviously, these announcers hadn't seen some of
Karrelin's opponents!)


Actually, it seemed like NBC was going for a comic Agony-Of-Defeat
evening.  Between the equestrian and wrestling segments, we also got to
see US gymnasts do passable Wile E. Coyote impressions, high and
lowlights from the USA-Cuba baseball comedy of (a total of nine) errors,
and one real-live belly-flop from the diving venue.  I guess nobody in
the shooting competition had the barrel of their gun explode; if that
had happened, I'm sure NBC would have been there.


Meanwhile, the Triplecast is selling so well (NOT!) that NBC is cutting prices
on single-day and weekend (no, I still won't buy!) packages and  is showing
two promotional evenings of simultaneous Quadcast (Red, White, Blue, Peacock)
on CNBC.  I think I heard that split-screen coverage begins there tonight at 6
Eastern.

==Ken
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From: chem7g@rosie.uh.edu (Shi, Zhiqiang)
Subject: NBC's Olympic coverage
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:58:00 GMT

> Houston Chronicle
> By Mike McDaniel
> Date 27 Jul 1992
> Title: Triplecast makes history, no money

I want to mention that Mike McDaniel is very happy with NBC's Olympic coverage
and is probably the only person so far.

McDaniel writes

>The broadcast coverage tape-delayed though it might be, has so far been much 
> better in presenting to its American audience what Americans want to see: 
> A close-up of gold medal winner Nelson Diebel turning emotional during the 
> swimmer's awards ceremony; a brief geography and history lesson on Angola 
> from Bob Costas before the drumming  its basketball players received at the 
> hands of America's Dream Team; an edited yet complete showing - for its 
> audience - of the gymnastic competition.

and concludes

> NBC's coverage has been top-notch, from its pre-Games show Friday night, 
> which included an emotionally charged profile of swimmer Pablo Morales and an 
> eye-opening  interview with gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi to Saturday's 
> inspiring coverage of the opening ceremony...


Such comments should serve as a good advertisement to promote
 "rec.sport.olympics" as probably Mr Mc Daniel will be postulating
for a position with NBC's coverage team with such a flattering article.

Of course these views are not shared by people starving for information
concerning the Olympic Events.

People who have volunteered to post the results, please do so, as we are all
waiting for the real informations and results that we cannot get in watching
TV.
Thank you in advance.

Serge
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Sir Charles and his magical bandwagon
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:54:06 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico


Well I just heard snippets from the interviews with Jordan and
Malone regarding the Barkley incidence.  Now everyone (including
NBC) is making a big deal of how Barkley is just an abberation.
Let me be the first one to point out that Jordan and Malone
(in what appeared to be carefuly rehearsed statements) showed no
concern for the lack of ethics, sportmanship and general manners
of Sir Barkeley. Noooo.  Jordan was concerned that people won't
love them as much anymore and Malone that some of the loving
public might jump off the "bandwagon".  And poor Barkley is accused
of being cynical.

As a basketball fan, I'm glad I never got on to the bandwagon.

j n a
From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SOCCER: Results Pool C
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:11:08 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

# = number of matches played
W = won
D = draw
L = lost
P = points
F = goals for
A = goals against


Group C
=======

Spain - Colombia  4-0
Qatar - Egypt  1-0

Colombia - Qatar 1-1
62. Posada 1-0
89 Souf 1-1

Spain - Egypt 2-0
56 Solozabal -0
73. Soler 2-0
Yellow cards: Perez (Sp), Abdelrazik, Elsheshity, Khashaba (Egy),
Red card: Abdelhamid (Egy)


                 # W D L  P   F A
                 ================
Spain            2 2 0 0  4   6-0
Qatar            2 1 1 0  3   2-1
Colombia         2 0 1 1  1   1-5
Egypt            2 0 0 2  0   0-3

remaining matches:

29-7  Colombia - Egypt
29-7  Spain - Qatar
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1865 rec.sport.swimming:489
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:53:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division

shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:

> >   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
[ No USA swimmers ]

> Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
> coverage? I think not...

Gotcha!  And what a race it was.  Unbelievably fast.  They probably
needed to cool the pool down after that swim.  1.5+ seconds off the
world record.  I believe that Holmertz split about 2:48 at the 300
and Sadovyi was at least a second or two behind so he must have come
home in a high 55 or low 56!!!!!!!

And what was the story on the USA swimmers anyway?  Did they just
have some bad swims or what?  How do the olympic trials times
compare to those at the olympics?

Too bad Wojdat couldn't hang on.  He looked good on the third 100,
but lost it.  Wojdat seems to be a close but no cigar swimmer.
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:14:55 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: protest

In article <1992Jul28.193716.8514@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164759.18863@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>time and because he knew it. I should note that as in most sports the refs are
>>less likely to give a red card to a player with a yellow than a yellow to
>The practice of treating second foul/card/technical/... in a different way
>than the first simply because it has more palpable results is cowardly, unfair
>and contrary to the spirit of the rules of any sport. A violation is a viola-
>tion and should be treated equally no matter when it occurs.

Not necessarily. In soccer for example (which I have refereed extensively)
its common to give a player 2 yellows instead of the yellow then red. From
what I understand of volleyball, its a lot like soccer in that the referee
has >total< control over the game/match at hand. If the referee in this case
had decided to, he could have easily recinded the second yellow and let the
match continue. I believe the rules in volleyball are a little more stringent
in that regard, (ie the second yellow == red automatically), but it >was
still the option of the referee to charge a second yellow<, and was >not< up
to the umpire who made the call against the US player.

The referee in this case made several big blunders:
1) He was 'unsure' about whether or not to issue a yellow card
2) He lost track of who the yellow card was called on
3) He lost track of the fact that he had issued a yellow card to that same
   player earlier in that game
4) He lost track of the current status of the match at that point, and, given
   that he was going to issue a yellow card, didn't award the point, game and
   subsequent match to Japan.
5) He 'recinded' his earlier position in a letter to the FIVB board the next
   morning after having 'slept on it'.

In my opinion, despite the fact that the referee blew the call, he had
supposed control of the game, and decided to let it continue. Therefore,
the match should have been given in favour of the US. If matches start
being decided upon in boardrooms instead of on the playing areas, why
bother having athletes at all?

One other note, the referee in that match should beDhaE~arred from refer
in any international match from now on. His actions were unprofessional
at best, and gave the whole sport a nasty black eye.

r.
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From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Carl Moller)
Subject: Re: Olympics News from AP 7-27-92
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:01:29 GMT

In article <9207280139.AA20859@gauss.casr.fau.edu>, li@gauss.casr.fau.edu (Charlie Li) writes:
> 
> Medal Standings Jul 27,  5:20 pm
> 
> COUNTRY                GOLD   SILVER   BRONZE    TOTAL
> 
> China                    3       6        1       10
> United States            3       2        5       10
> Unified Team             6       1        0        7
> Germany                  1       1        3        5

<stuff deleted>
> 
>    ^MEDALS
>  
>    With eight of Monday's 12 medal events completed, United
> States had overall lead with nine (three gold). China second,
> seven medals total; Unified Team had most golds, five. 

I don't know if anyone else feels the same, but this kind of comparison has
always annoyed me. I might well be naive and idealistic, but I think that
the medal performances of each country are compared like this, the whole
concept of the Olympics is belittled.

It isn't a forum for international idealogical point scoring ("Ha! Take that
you Commies! Our modern pentathlon team beat yours! So much for the glorious
proletariat!"..."So what? We are Olympic heptathlon champions. Shove that up
your free market policy!" (Please forgive the pre CIS angle.)

It seems to me that athletes are there, sure to represent their countries, 
but more importantly, to represent themselves and to celebrate the Olympic 
and human ideal of "Swifter. Higher. Stronger."

Sorry, if I'm idealistic. That's my $0.02 worth.

Carl Moller
u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1207 soc.culture.british:10787
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:45:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi's message of 27 Jul 92 17:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.175407.12893@cs.hut.fi> killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

   Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England are NOT countries.

Try telling that to someone from Scotland or Wales! (Or even England
for that matter....)

		Jim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Subject: Re: Moving images
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:40:51 GMT

Rachele Harless:
> This may be due to some video technology, but I would say that the
> sharp images have more to do with the simplicity of the tumbling.

Perhaps the simplicity of the tumbling makes it more noticeable, but
the images look clearly different from normal television.  It's also
noticeable on some of the other gymnastics events.  The unblurred
images give the action a "stop-motion animation" feel.

Not all camera angles seem to have this effect.  My guess would be
that it's a particular type of video equipment, that takes maybe 120
frames per second and only displays every fourth frame for realtime.
(I have no idea what's technically plausible.)
--
From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: CYCLING: Team Time Trial & Women's Road Race
Date: 27 Jul 1992 18:33:38 GMT
Organization: MD Anderson Cancer Center

Opening Day Results (from the Houston Chronicle):

Men's Team Time Trial

Gold	   Germany          2:01:39
Silver  Italy            2:02:39
Bronze  France           2:05:25
4       Unified Team     2:05:34
5       Spain            2:06:11
6       Poland           2:06:34
7       Switzerland      2:06:35
8       Czechoslovakia   2:06:44
9       Netherlands      2:07:49
10      New Zealand      2:08:10
11      Norway           2:08:25
12      Australia        2:09:12
13      Canada           2:10:33
14      Britain          2:12:14
15      China            2:12:38
16      United States    2:13:35

ThatUs all my local paper has.
The only other info I have about the TTT is that
a member of the US team flatted and the rest of the
team waited for him.


WomenUs Road Race

Gold    Kathryn Watt, Australia    2:04:42
Silver  Jeannie Longo, France      2:05:02
Bronze  Minique knol, Netherlands    s.t.
4       Natalya Kistchuk, Unified T  s.t.
5       Monica Valvik, Norway        s.t.
6       Jeanne Golay, United States  s.t.
7       Katherine Shannon, Australia s.t.
8       Luzia Zberg, Switzerland     s.t.
9       Marie Holjer, Sweden         s.t.
10      Sally Zack, United States    s.t.
11      Karina Skibby, Denmark       s.t.
12      Alison Sydor, Canada         s.t.
13      Jacqui Uttien, Australia     s.t.
14      Aiga Zagorska, Lithuania     s.t.
15      Kristel Werckx, Belguim      s.t.
..
26      Inga Thompson, U.S.          s.t.

Once again that is all my local paper lists.
Note that Inga Thompson had a lone crash in the third lap 
(of a 5 lap race) and had to fight a damaged bike the rest 
of the race (also, her teammates did not help her back up 
to the pack, she had to time trial it back to the field).  
Jeanne Golay also went down (in the fourth lap) with several
others (sorry, I donUt know who else went down). I believe 
that crash group made their way back up to the field easily, 
together.
Also note that Kathryn Watt was a virtual international
unknown so the pack let her get away early (3rd lap I 
believe) and then compounded that mistake by not chasing 
her until the last few kilometers because the Rbig gunsS
were so busy watching each other that they apparently
forgot about the Australian.
Congratulations on a very nice race.
From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SOCCER: Results Pool A
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:09:44 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

# = number of matches played
W = won
D = draw
L = lost
P = points
F = goals for
A = goals against


Group A
=======

Italy - United States  2-1
Poland - Kuwait  2-0


United States - Kuwait 3-1
16. Al-Hadiyah 0-1
56. Brose 1-1
79. Lagos 2-1
85. Snow 3-1

Italy - Poland 0-3
 5. Juskowiak 0-1
48. Staniek 0-2
90. Mielcarski 0-3
Yellow cards: Swierczewski, Jalocha, Waldoch (Pol), Luzardi,
Favalli, Buso, Marcolin, Sordo, Albertini (It)
Red cards: Luzardi, Ricardi (It)


                 # W D L  P   F A
                 ================
Poland           2 2 0 0  4   5-0
United States    2 1 0 1  2   4-3
Italy            2 1 0 1  2   2-4
Kuwait           2 0 0 2  0   1-5

remaining matches:

29-7  United States - Poland
29-7  Italy - Kuwait
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:11:26 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Jul21.144635.57394@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	But what is the point of having Monica Seles etc. to play in 
>Olympic while they can participate in more prestigous grand slam events ?
>It takes away the chance of some amateur (ok, semi-pro) to prove themselve
>they are the best "non-professional".   That is why I no longer crazy about
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which is precisely the problem we find ourselves in. How do you define
"non-professional" in a way that is meaningful, fair and can be
adhered to? In my opinion, the answer is you can't, which is why many
sports have effectively abolished the distinction between amateur and
professional. Limiting sports to purported "amateurs" simply does not
work any more.

>Olympic as I used to after the invasion of the pros.  As the first poster
>pointed out, the GAMES have been cheapened.  
>        
I agree, especially for those sports that already have World or other
championships of equal or higher standing to their sport's Olympic
competitions. The problem is that the Olympics have turned into such a
jamboree for commercial interests that we're just going to see
continual enlarging of the Olympics, as opposed to a rationalisation
to those sports that don't already have more prestiguous
championships. 

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: chuanli@remus.rutgers.edu (chuanli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Let's vote  --- Who is the most unselfish player on the Dream Team?
Summary: ok
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:48:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <29JUL199223363021@rigel.tamu.edu>, c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:

> >I think "no ego" should be the No 1 quality for the  palyers on the
> >Dream Team. Who do you think is the most unselfish player? 
> >I vote for Ewing.  I will post the result after the final game.  

> 
> That is completely nonsense! According to your logic (though not explicitely
> stated), the laziest person on the team is the most unselfish player. At
> the first place, how to define the word 'unselfish'? If MJ scores the most
> points, he is a selfish player? Huh?

	Unselfish means not to force the issue, pass the ball when he
is double-teamed, take charges, and go for the blocks ...

> 
> Your qustion is stupid and sick!

There is no need for this.


**************************************************
Don't play with  or you will get burned

Frank
Rutgers University
New Brunswick
New Jersey
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Badminton results at seasia-l
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:16:23 GMT

I shall be posting results of badminton and other events important for
Malaysia at bit.listserv.seasia-l.

I'm more concerned of the speed of transmission. Internet from Singapore
is fast but I'm not sure about your side. Some may take days.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Thanks
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:47:57 GMT


Gee I seem to be posting a lot  here, anyhow

Thanks from all the rest of us to the volunteer results posters
on r.s.o

-- 
Honk if you Teacup Chain...

	...Wex
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