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From: jcooper@apple.com (Jim Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT dealers (commercial) in the SF Bay Area?
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:38:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: goofy.23275
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Apr8.212504.8697@adobe.com>, byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
> 
> Gary Barnes writes
> 
> >Are there any commercial dealers for the NeXT in the SF Bay Area? 
> >
> >[munch]
> > 
> ComputerWare in Palo Alto is an Authorized NeXT Dealer.
> 
> Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
> Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
> 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
> Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

No.  It's *Computer Attic* in Palo Alto; ComputerWare sells Macintosh stuff.
Sorry to use news bandwidth for this, but Scott didn't include Gary's email
address in his followup.

Jim Cooper
From: tim@rri.uucp (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT ad in Computer Shopper??
Summary: where is it?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: "rri!tim"@vtserf.cc.vt.edu
Organization: Recognition Research Inc., Blacksburg, VA

Someone mentioned a couple of weeks ago that NeXT had an ad in Computer
Shopper.  If you've seen it, what issue/page number is it in?  I've looked
through the April 1992 and May 1992 issues and haven't seen it.

Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jwishnie@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Wishnie)
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:23:08 GMT

In article <3533@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
> Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  
> I think a better solution
> is to put app related files in
> 
> ~/Library/Appname/crud_files

Even better, why not keep them in the .app directory? That way they travel  
with the Application and never have to be seen at all. But, you ask, what  
about multiple users defaults, scores, and so on...

I'd much rather have:
	CoolApp.app/.jwishnie
	CoolApp.app/.bfink
	CoolApp.app/.escissorhands 

and so on than:

	~jwishnie/.coolapp
	~bfink/.coolapp
	~escissorhands/.coolapp

- Jeff
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Adobe's Bonus Fonts
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mpx2.7APR199216073062
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

There was an posting today on comp.sys.next.announce regarding Adobe 
shipping a free upgrade to 3.0.1 for owners of Adobe Illustrator 3.0.
In fact, I already received this package (pleasant surprise!) in
yesterday's mail.  The upgrade was accompanied by two disks of bonus
fonts (three families-- Garamond, Copperplate Gothic, and Gill Sans).

I just not installed the upgrade and the fonts.  Even bigger surprise:
the fonts are available for use in OTHER applications, such as Edit and
Write Now!  Things work fine.

Gosh, thank you, Adobe folks!  I normally don't feel quite so well 
treated by software companies.

   Dick Silbar

(P.S. The Type Library Guide that comes with the fonts is partly written
and produced by Glenn Reid, well-known to readers of this group.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr)
Subject: Installing SoftPC & Mathematica
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:25:47 GMT

I have two questions.  One pertaining to the installation of SoftPC and the
other to the installation of Mathematica.

1.  The SoftPC manual states that after running the installation program
there should be a "SoftPC.app" directory into which I copy the file
"bios2.rom".  After installing I get a "SoftPC.app" file NOT a directory.
I can't execute the file because it is looking for "bios2.rom".  What am I
doing wrong?

2.  When registering Mathematica the machine name (host name) is required.
I interpret this as the name I gave my computer.  What happens if I want to
change the name of my computer; will Mathematica still run?

Thanks for helping with my stupid questions.

Tom
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tcarr@nwu.edu
From: benseb@next.sdsc.edu (Booker C. Bense)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:14:55 GMT
Reply-To: benseb@next.sdsc.edu

In article
<1992Apr16.234600.861@parsec.mixcom.com>
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
writes: > (Other stuff deleted) > >recognition on
'disappear' than 'hide_app'.   I've found that Simon just
can't   > >**EVER** understand me when I say 'terminal', so
I say 'unix' which he   > >understands pretty well. > 

- I find it pretty handy to change the name of the command to
what I'm saying, ( if I don't I forget what I trained the
word to). For anything but Apps this is fine, I guess it
would work for apps as well, but might be confusing. 

- P.S. Has anyone come up with some good macros for VOID ??
I've got faster & slower, but need good ones for L,R, U, D,
and behind. Simon would be the  ULTIMATE video game
interface if you could specify keypress duration. I
guess  you could just put multiple CHARS in the keyboard
macro. 

- P.P.S Simon even works with Executor-DEMO. Voice
Controlled RISK is a BLAST!

- P.P.P.S. REALLY, I need my NeXT for work, It's a
deduction ! ( I hope the IRS doesn't have a NewsFeed %-) ! ) 

- P.P.P.P.S. That stuff about the LogicTech TrackMan
recently posted does work.  Make sure you get the
logictech BUS version however. 

---
- Booker C. Bense               "News, News, It's long, It's ASCII?,  
prefered: benseb@grumpy.sdsc.edu   It's Wood. News, News, It's better
NeXT Mail: benseb@next.sdsc.edu      than bad, It's Good!"  Ren&Stimpy
From: hal@alfred.tucson.az.us (Hal Varian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: seeking good deals on hard drives
Keywords: hard drives survey
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:32:26 GMT
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

I'm in the market for a new hard drive to replace the one in my
cube.  I'm looking for a quiet drive with at least 400 megs.  Send
recommendations on brand, supplier, etc to me directly and I
will summarize to the net.

[My current drive is giving me MEDIA ERRORs.  Once I get a new
drive, I may try to reformat the old drive and salvage the good blocks.
However, the documentation on the bad blocks table in the man
pages is quite minimal so I would also appreciate advice on
how to do this.  I've got backups on the OD and am running off
that for now.]

--
Hal Varian              
until 4/26/92: hal@alfred.tucson.az.us
after 4/26/92: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
voice:         602-577-3578
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Revealed.
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:34:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr17.023419.27445
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:

>I would be delighted if they became another Amiga - Amiga just sold their  
>millionth machine, there is a good software base, and they are successful.  

I don't feel that way.  I want to have people think 'innovation' and
'success' when people think of the NeXT.  Most people I know think
of 'cool game machine' and 'machine with no new software' when they
think Amiga.  (Whether this is true or not...the fact is that the
Amiga went for the game and video processing niche, and fills it
pretty well...the NeXT is an entirely different ballgame, one which
I think fills more (and different) niches better)

BTW, I don't want to start a flame war with this, I just am echoing
opinions of people around here whom I deal with.
Standard disclaimers apply.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: toon@moene.uucp (Toon Moene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Keywords: who pays the ferryman
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.224335.13606@cube.handheld.com>  
jmd@banana.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> In article <275@moene.UUCP> toon@moene.uucp (Toon Moene) writes:

[ .. my 'attack' on Felix A. Lugo for his AT&T connection deleted .. ]

> Having been to The Netherlands, and indeed scheduled back there in a 
> month for meetings, I cannot imagine you would have the knowledge to 
> comment on the US phone system, based on the dutch PTT.  

I did know of the split up of AT&T in the mid-eighties ('84 ? '85 ?), but  
- you are right - I don't have the overall picture of who gets paid for  
what connection time at the other side of the pond.

[ .. AT&T gets something from backbone circuits, these are fixed costs ..]

> That leaves what I think you were getting at, that it, dial-up time.  
> With the breakup of the Bell system, AT&T gets very little, if indeed 
> any, of the local message unit charges.  That would be the bulk of the 
> phone co. portion of uucp access charges.  Of the much fewer folks that 
> must dial long distance to connect, even then, regional long distance 
> is, for the most part, charged by the regional operating companies.  Of 
> the remain long-distance calls, yes, a percentage will go AT&T.  How 
> many get RTF I don't know, but you see we've really trimmed the field.  
> But we also have other long-distance companies, which tend to be cheaper 
> for a uucp style call, so AT&T, and Felix, could hardly care from a 
> monetary return point of view one way or the other about RTF.

You're right in assuming that this is very different from the way it works  
in The Netherlands.  The Dutch PTT has a monopoly here (don't get me wrong  
- I worked for them for two years; it's just that I would never have tried  
to lure people into perusing phone lines just to give them business).
Now I'm just the lucky guy who lives 4 miles (a local phone call) from the  
European UUCP backbone.  Even my NeXT dealer pays more for being on the  
net.

> I do, however, tend to agree with his point of view.

If you refer to his c.s.n.MISC 'definition', I agree with that too - if I  
really found it annoying, I would simply mail the system manager of my  
newsfeed to change my node's sys file entry.

> This message was posted, and reached the NFS backbone, using no AT&T  
circuits.
                                           ^^^ NSF ?
> Jim De Arras

Ceterum Carthaginem delendam (esse). I do think however that the NeXT  
world would benefit a lot if we moved to established standards for  
exchanging multi-media (...) posts.  Either reverse-engineer or  
rewrite-from-scratch NewsGrazer to support MIME - but I won't do it. It's  
12.45 AM now and I have to get up at six ...
--
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Kantershof 269, 1104 GN  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Tel.: + 31 20 6982029; Fax: + 31 20 6003411
No Disclaimers; a NeXT at home protects against this occupational hazard.
From: flash@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Flash)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: What is a Graphical User Interface ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:21:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

Hi,

I'm currently writting my final year thesis here at Warwick University
and as part of it I need a good definition of what a :

                  "Graphical User Interface"

is.  I know its to do with windows, icon, mice etc but I need a concise well
worded definition.  I've looked in our library and at all the journals but to
no avail.  Please, please if anyone has a definition or knows of a book I
could get that does please could you mail me.

Thanks

Jonathan Greensted

3rd year Computer Systems Engineering student.
-- 

--
Jonathan Greensted, Warwick Universty.
flash@uk.ac.warwick.dcs
From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:07:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr13.170727.21749
Organization: NASA/LeRC

The neatest thing to do would be for developers to agree to put their stuff  
into a .Apps directory - one hidden file in your account with appropriate  
subdirectories for the requirements of each app.  I was thinking that this  
could go into the .NeXT directory but it would probably screw up upgrades etc.
--
__________________________________________________________________
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----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang)
Subject: Light Indicator on NeXT 17" Color Monitor
Reply-To: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:44:16 GMT

Hi,

	I was wondering if this only happens to me. I had a new  
replacement of NeXT 17" Color monitor a couple of months ago. The new one  
is much much ( I meant 10+ times ) better than the old one I used to have.  
The only outlook difference is that there's a green light right next to  
the power button. It goes on when the power button is pressed/down. 

	As I checked those Color monitors in NeXTWorld, none of them has  
the green light going on while displaying. You might wanna check yours as  
well even you never notice the difference.

Gary
P.S. I love my new Color Monitor. It's sharp, crisp and right on focus!
	AND IT'S BLACK!!!!!!!
From: derek@oceania.com (Derek Collison)
Subject: Re: NeXT dealers (commercial) in the SF Bay Area?
Reply-To: derek@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.212504.8697@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)  
writes:
> Gary Barnes writes
> 
> >Are there any commercial dealers for the NeXT in the SF Bay Area? 
> >I didn't see any while wandering through the Yellow Pages.  I'm
> >not a student so educational dealers are presumably not
> >helpful for me. Some of the questions I want to ask are, "How
> >much?", and, "What do I get for that?".
> 
> ComputerWare in Palo Alto is an Authorized NeXT Dealer.
> 
> Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
> Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
> 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
> Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Also Computer Attic in Palo Alto. (On University)

=derek
-- 
Derek Collison <---> derek@oceania.com  
Oceania Health Care Systems             
325 Lytton Avenue   Palo Alto, CA 94301 
(NeXT Mail accepted)                    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jyoung@isis.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: NeXT and Atari...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:39:17 GMT

In article <12370@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>
>Yeah right.  That would be like SUN signing up with Sinclair to port  
>Openlook to the ZX81 series.  Hahahaah.

Maybe you laugh now, but Atari showed Falcon again at Canada expo and
some developers already have it!!

So far Atari tell these specs for the Falcon '030;

M68030 32-bit, 16-50 MHZ models
DSP56001, 16 bit STEREO input/ourput CD sound
640x480 at least up to 1280x960 64K-16Million color graphics
1.44 MBytes floppy/ Hard drive
SCSI
LAN
MIDI
joysticks (4)
serial and parallel
multitasking
starting price around $800!!  Shipping in fall.

If that look like ZX81 then you need some brains. 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14374 comp.graphics:5492 comp.sys.sgi:7045 misc.forsale:14178
From: bwalker@btlnck.enet.dec.com (Kevin D. Baranski-Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.graphics,comp.sys.sgi,misc.forsale
Subject: Sony CGM-1901 19" Trinitron Monitors for sale
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:42:30 GMT
Reply-To: kevin@hiatus.zko.dec.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Base Graphics Systems

--

I have two of these for sale @ $800 each plus shipping.

        64KHz Horiz.
        60Hz Vert.
        .28mm dot (? - I Think)
        Black Case.  (Hence the NeXT posting :-)

        Very good condition.


PS (These are FIXED SCAN Rate monitors, most PC controllers aren't applicable)

- kevin
------------------------
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Digital Equipment Corporation	->	Airborne:    Cherokee N7928C
Nashua, New Hampshire		->	FAX:	     (603)881-0120
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Subject: Re: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:24:56 GMT

Peter Kocks writes
> As was pointed out earlier, OpenGL is a kind of fast procedural
> language for doing 3D graphics, whereas Renderman is object oriented
> and photorealistic.  

Umm, the RenderMan interface is no more object oriented than GL is.  They are  
both procedural, they are both immediate mode (although both have a little bow  
towards display lists - gl has "objects" and RenderMan 4.0 has macros).

The reason it will be a lot easier to write 3D code on the NeXT isn't due to  
RenderMan, it's due to the hard work the folks at NeXT have done on the 3D kit.   
RenderMan buys you a very extensible base, and the photorealistic renderer from  
Pixar.

> Given that in time Renderman will become fast
> enough for realtime use, why not write an OpenGL interface to the
> RenderMan rendering software?  Basically, write procedural type calls
> in the exact same format as OpenGL requires.   This would be a big
> boon for scientist who like OpenGL and the NeXT platform.

It would actually be the other way around.  I.e. you would feed your software  
gl calls, and those would turn into RenderMan calls on the NeXT.  Think of it  
akin to writing an X server on the NeXT.  You receive an X protocol stream over  
the net, translate those into the appropriate DPS calls, and you're done.

Keep in mind that interactive RenderMan was originally developed by Pixar on  
SGIs, although it isn't a product.  On the SGI, the reverse process happens,  
i.e. you get a RIB stream and turn it into the appropriate GL calls.  An  
unnamed friend of mine (who would know) once told me that the only difference  
between a GL stream and a RIB stream was "a sed script".  

--

-->  Michael B. Johnson
-->  MIT Media Lab      --  Computer Graphics & Animation Group
-->  (617) 253-0663     --  wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
-->  NeXT Mail accepted at  wave@waits.media.mit.edu
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:23:57 GMT

In article <3526@rosie.NeXT.COM> Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) writes:
> Um... Gee, I don't think $250 would cover the royalties that NeXT pays for  
> using such things as:  Unix....

Considering (a) UNIX is free for i386/i486 machines now,
that part of the royalties might go away in a year or two. 
I'll admit 386bsd is buggy and short on features, but
we've been working with it here and think it'll be up to
snuff in a few months.  It'll probably be up to "End User"
quality inside of 2 years.  

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: System Admin. & Re: Adobe Systems Incorporated -- and a Question
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:42:46 GMT

In article <122094@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)  
writes:
> ...
> Make that ~/Apps, ~/Library, etc. etc. for "personal" software, where ~
> refers to the user's home directory. I'm sure that's what Joe meant to
> write. Joe is right; don't muck with the /Next... directories.
> ...

Thanks for pointing that out Erik. It was three in the morning and I  
forgot all about the tilde. Thanks for reading my mind right :-)

Joe

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Mission critical apps
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:08:24 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.052251.6145@athena.mit.edu>
jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes:

>Steve jobs and NeXT in general use the phrase "Mission Critical App" a lot as
>they see it as there main advantage

>I always have problems with deciding quite what this phrase actually means...
>any one got a good example eplanation and/or examples...preferably ones that
>don't include the financial sector and or DTP.

No answer to your question, but I noticed on television the
other night that Unisys is also using the phrase
"mission-critical" in their ads.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Diagram! Engage! Enough!
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:12:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr8.091238.332
Reply-To: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Oregon State University - Univ. Computing Services

Anthony Berno writes
>Well, when I get done with my current app, I think that I shall call it:
>
>"*"
>
>The quotation marks are NOT optional, and they have to be pronounced with  
>the asterisk.
>
TOP 5 APPLICATION NAMES

1. "$99.95!"   (Skirts Usenet restrictions on price info.)
2. "rm -rf /"  (A backup program)
3. "."         (Great program, just can't figure out how to install it)
4. "WriteNow"  (It's _spelled_ "WriteNow", but it's _pronounced_ "Recipe
                Filer".)
5. "Fire!"     (Movie theater management and accounting package)

--
Don McGregor             | "Go do something you hate.  Being miserable
mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu|  builds character."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.184412.16010@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:

> Let me see if I can practice what I preach.

> >You can't claim more than a few additional
> >USENET years on me (since 1982), 

> How old were you then?  Ten?
> (Oops again.)

17, then, 27 now.

> It's an objective truth, Nathan, that you are a whiner.
> And a recidivist one at that.
> 
> (Well, only about 60% temperate, but I tried.)

I expected little better from a hypocrite.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

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