HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Civil War Nurses:
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:13:50 GMT

I wrote, to Robert Thomin (durango@tso.uc.edu):
>Since you're at the University of California...

Robert pointed out to me that his account is actually at the
University of Cincinnati.  That'll teach me to do a "whois uc.edu"
before posting!  :-)

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Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:57:19 EST
Reply-To:     Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From:         Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Preserving newspaper clippings
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Dear Rootslers:

There is always interest in this group about how to preserve various items
and particularly newspaper clippings which have a very short life.  Here is
a method I found in "File...Don't Pile!" by Pat Dorff, (1983,1986, St.
Martin's Press, NY.)  On page 132 she details the following method which
she says was suggested by 'experts at the National Archives':

"1. Mix 1 tablespoon of magnesium carbonate and a quart of club soda in a
    large platic dish.

"2. Sandwich the clippings between two pieces of screen or Pellon, a
    material sold in most fabric stores.  Soak for thirty minutes.

"3. Mop up excess liquid with blotting paper and allow to dry overnight on
    more blotting paper.

"4. Store clippings in a well-sealed flat plastic bag.  They shoud keep
    forever."

---end of quote---

After all the discussion on this and similar subjects last year I still
have some questions, like, what kind of plastic bag? and, where does one get
magnesium carbonate, and blotting paper?  I haven't seen blotting paper for
years.  Could one use paper towels instead?

But there is the quote, for what it's worth.  I won't have time to pursue
this for a while, but I'm sure that the group would like to hear from
anyone who does.

Happy rooting.

--Jill

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Irvines out there?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:16:04 GMT

Are there any Irvines out there?

I am descended from one that crossed from Scotland in 1821 and moved
to Kentucky.  

Anyone know anything?

Brent

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: joan@stein.u.washington.edu (Joan Bishop)
Subject: Holland
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:34:17 GMT


Having trouble learning my new editor.  I will try this again.
I have information on Holland surnamee, about 3 pages on Captain Henry
Holland, born in Ormkirk, Lancashire, England, August 28, 1661.  If you
are interested (person who inquired earlier about Holland) I will E-mail
it to you.
From: mjward@adobe.com (Michael J. Ward)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Sutro Library described
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:14:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

The Sutro Library has a wonderful collection of books, magazines, and micro-
films and fiches. If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area the Sutro, the
Oakland LDS center, Archives, Stanford, and UCB are the five key places to try.

Because Sutro is officially part of the San Francisco library system and is
funded by SF, the recent budget problems have resulted in reduced hours.
As is usual in systems run by governments, the hours are chosen to suit their
own convenience and not those of the patrons; thus it is now closed on
Saturday (and Sunday), and the evening hours are also a thing of the past.

It is half a block from the Stonestown shopping mall, and not far at all from
SFSU. 

Summary:  if you can get there when they are open, by all means go!
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:32:51 CST
Reply-To:     Steve McNutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         Steve McNutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Newberry Library

     I was looking through "The Newberry Library Genealogical Index" and found
several entries that look like they might be promising. I was wondering if
anybody knew anything about the Newberry Library (i.e.- If there's any way to
get information without actually going to Chicago; if there's anyway to access
their library by computer; any type of interlibrary loan, etc...?)

Steve
z1ssm@ttuvm1.ttu.edu  INTERNET
z1ssm@ttuvm1          BITNET

Researching:McNutt,Blahnik,Fisk,Maxwell,Griffin,Tuttle,Linton,
Brown,Hartel,Chase,Stanly(Standley,etc)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: question
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:02:53 GMT

MARLEYT@ARIZVMS.BITNET writes:
>A friend of mine has ... found an ancestor that was a spy. ... she can 
>find no data on this.  Can somone give us idea where to look for now.

Do you think giving us hints about the country and/or century involved
might help?

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Gerald.Alford@f81.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Gerald Alford)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Maxwell
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:38:00

SM>Researching:McNutt,Blahnik,Fisk,Maxwell,Griffin,Tuttle,Linton,

Steve, my wife is a MAXWELL and I have quite a bit of info on her line
from TX, MS, GA and VA.  (Joel and Thomas were earliest ancestors, I
think.)  Will check further if you're interested.

 * Origin: FamilyResearch <Bedford,TX> (817) 571-1373 V.32 (1:130/81)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: waltcr@microsoft.com (Walt Criteser)
Subject: Oregon libraries
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:13:41 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: catalog Oregon libraries internet


Do any Oregon libraries have their card catalogs on the internet? 
I am particularly interested in the Multnomah County Libary, 
Oregon State University, and the University of Oregon libraries.  

A system like MELVYL would be great, but my expectations are not that
high.

Thanks
Walt Criteser
waltcr@microsoft.com
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:21:59 -0800
Reply-To:     Lisa Oberg <lisanne@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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              lisanne@CARSON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
From:         Lisa Oberg <lisanne@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: software to track geneology
Comments: To: NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
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          <ROOTS-L%NDSUVM1.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu>

When I first became interested in genealogy and documenting on a Macintosh
I looked into several programs, most of which were advertised in the
Software section of _MacWorld_.  Sent away for more information etc.
Since I was relatively new to genealogy I didn't really know what I was
looking for, I decided to with the the Personal Ancestral File program
available from the LDS Church.  Although some of the features are specific
to documentation of LDS events these features call all be "turned off."

The number one factor in influencing my decision is that is was the least
expensive at $35 and I was willing to try it out and get a feel for what
expectations I had from a genealogical program.  Four years later, I am
still quite happy with it.  The DOS version is much more powerful from all
accounts I have heard but I am still satisfied with it.  Since you are
capable of exporting information in GEDCOM format if you changed programs
later one that was able to import information from GEDCOM would save you
from having to reenter data again.

Lisa Oberg
lisanne@u.washington.edu

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU wrote:

> Can anyone recommend Macintosh software to track geneology?  Thanks in
 advance.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:24:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Ellen Pedraza <pedraza@CS.UWP.EDU>
From:         Ellen Pedraza <pedraza@CS.UWP.EDU>
Subject:      Keynote Speaker Wanted
Comments: To: Roots-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

The Friends of the Library at the University of Wisconsin-Parkside (in
Kenosha, WI) are seeking a speaker on the topic:

     "Computer Software Programs for Genealogists"

for a program to be held on campus, Saturday, March 13, 1993.

We are looking for an experienced speaker in the are to present a talk on:

     -evaluating software programs according to your personal
      needs
     -applications and advantages of genealogical software
     -hardware considerations

The speaker will be part of a program that will include representation
from specific genealogical software user groups.

If you would like to participate in this program or know of an individual
who is willing to speak on this topic, please contact me by December 1:

     Ellen J. Pedraza
     Archives and Area Research Center
     University of Wisconsin-Parkside
     900 Wood Road, Box 2000
     Kenosha, WI 53141-2000
     (414) 595-2077
     Email:   Pedraza@cs.uwp.edu

Thank you for your cooperation.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re:      Latin translation help
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:13:11 GMT

Greetings,


In article 2120888F@inland.com,         KEN BLAZEK <kblazek@INLAND.COM> () writes:
>I recently ran across the following latin (I believe it is latin) description
>of a relative in a birth record from Prague, Czechoslovakia in 1852.  It
>described the relatives father as "patentals invalid(a)".  This same

Doesn't make sense.  The best I could translate your version would be
"parentalis invalidum"
which would make it something like "parentally weak" which also doesn't
make sense...  Can you check your document again?

>description was used in the father's death record.  Any help on this would
>be appreciated.
>
>
>Ken Blazek
>kblazek@inland.com



					Bohdan



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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: OPAC (online public access catalogs) (was Oregon libraries)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:01 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <Pine.3.05y.9211160950.A29756-b100000@carson.u.washington.edu>,     Lisa Oberg <lisanne@U.WASHINGTON.EDU> writes...
>Walter--

post deleted


Actually, on my desk at work I have a notebook full of OPACs that
are accessible through internet.  The list includes libraries
in Canada, UK, Australia, and a few non-english-speaking libraries.

This list was done up by someone at the University of North Texas.
There is an recently updated version available through FTP.  I need
to get the information so I can download it.

When I do I will post it.  Or if anyone out there has it can post
it (or already has). 8-)

Tammy
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: cjt1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Charles Ten Brink)
Subject: Re: Grand Army of the Republic Records
Reply-To: cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.144755.25914@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:
>
>Thanks, Chuck.  This is a good lead.  Any address or contact information 
>for the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War in Minnesota?
>
The national headquarters is:

	Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War
	c/o Frank Miller Heacock
	200 Washington Street, Suite 614
	Wilmington, DE  19801
	
They should be able to refer you to any Minnesota chapters. Unfortunately, 
the Encyclopedia of Associations does not list a phone number.
--Chuck


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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: waltcr@microsoft.com (Walt Criteser)
Subject: Calif placename query
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:02:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: ALDRICH, Diggings California

My last query regarding Oregon Libraries on the Internet turned 
out to be very productive.  Thank you one and all.  With the 
success of my last query I have constructed a new query.

I have recently obtained a copy of my great great grandmothers, 
Mary Ellen ALDRICH, death certificate.  Note, she went by the 
alias of May.  Three items on the certificate are only partially 
distinguishable.

The one item I think someone on the net might be able to help me 
with is the place of birth.  The part of the scrawl I was able to 
decipher was California.  On the other hand, the city/town (?) is 
very difficult to read, but I think one of the words might be 
Diggings.  Hence, I think grandma May's place of birth is 

		XXXXXX Diggings California.

Where XXXXXXX is unkown since I cannot read it.  To help establish
a time frame, her date of birth is calculated to be 31 Oct 1861.  
Does anybody know what the "X" might be?  Is there now, or use to be 
any towns with the name of Diggings in the name?  Is there any 
California counties or towns that contain the word, or a word similar 
to Diggings?  Suggestions might give me just that little bit of extra 
information to help me match it to what is written on the certificate.

Thank you.
Walt Criteser
waltcr@microsoft.com

PRIMARY RESEARCH: CRITESER (everywhere), GOUGE (or/ia/in/ky), 
                  CAIN (or/id/mo), ALDRICH (or/ca/id/england?).
RELATED LINES: JONES, MITCHELL, EDWARDS, LASWELL, LIVINGSTON, RINKER 
Newsgroups: soc.roots,alt.adoption
From: lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: Shorthand summaries (was: RFD/CFD: soc.adoption)
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:57:04 MST
Followup-To: alt.adoption
Keywords: adoption
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Nov20.193558.7868@atlastele.com> jasons@atlastele.com (Jason
Smith) writes:
 > As an aside, propose a shorthand notation/summary for those of us
 > who are looking (Has this sort of thing been done???)  'Cause you
 > never know whose reading....

Yes, something like this has been done in the soc.roots newsgroup, although for
genealogical searching, not adoption searching.  People post articles on
whatever topic, and include in their signatures a list of the surnames they are
researching.  People posting to alt.adoption could include in their signatures
a summary like the one you describe, regardless of the topic of the article
they're posting.

 > Pretty self expanatory.  'b' words are birth data, 'a' words are 
 > adoption data (and hey, I'm open to expansion...), dates and locations
 > prefixed with `~' read "Near".  Dates are DD-MM-YY (let's not forget
 > we want "world" distribution).  Also suggest using the string "BIO" as
 > subject line for the kill-file wizards.

I would propose writing dates as YY-MM-DD so people on both sides of the
Atlantic would read them the right way, without having to know about the
standard in advance.  I believe that both Americans and Europeans would figure
out this format the correct way.

The soc.roots newsgroup also has a kind of registry for people researching
different surnames.  An adoption registry handled through Usenet would have the
advantage of easy search and updating, and more importantly be free of charge.
But would it be unnecessary duplication of existing efforts?

Lee Choquette	      bname: Markku Johannes Laakso	adate: 69-03-17
lchoqu@cs.utah.edu    bdate: 69-02-14			aloc: H{meenlinna
		      bloc: H{meenlinna, Finland
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fireman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gwyn Fireman)
Subject: The best Mac genealogy software!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202037.28201@linus.mitre.org>, pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes...
>Can anyone recommend Macintosh software to track geneology?  Thanks in advance.

	Tom Lincoln once wrote up a good review of Reunion, available in the
NoDak archives, I believe.  It has a wonderful interface, is customizable if
you know Hypercard, and exports in GEDCOM, providing the compatibility the
German poster was asking about.  At $125, it's a little pricey, but was worth
the money to me.  

	Its charting utility will produce nice descendant and ancestor charts,
but I'm still looking for something that will show all my cousins.  But since I
can export charts in PICT format, I could edit these myself with a standard
graphics program to combine a few lines of interest.

	There is at least one file comparing genealogy software in the
archives, but quite old, I believe.  I don't remember how to get to these files
right now, but if you don't know drop me a line and I'll help you find them.

 Gwyn Fireman                        phone:     (301) 794-1560            
 Computer Sciences Corporation       span:      IUEGTC::FIREMAN           
 IUE Observatory                     internet:  fireman@iuegtc.span.nasa.gov
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Full-Name: David Pike
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:20:33 CST
Reply-To:     David Pike <pikedav@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
From:         David Pike <pikedav@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
Subject:      I need an address in Toronto
Comments: To: roots-l@ndsuvm1.nodak.edu

Can somebody with access to the Toronto phone directory please check and
let me know what the address is for the Archives of the United Church of
Canada.

Thanks, David.
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      LDS Access
Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:46 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <ROOTS-L%92111417595154@VM1.NODAK.EDU>,     Steve McNutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET> writes...
>Does anybody know if there is any way to access the LDS library through either
>Bitnet or Internet? They are the only two systems that I have access to so
>other systems, like telnet, don't do me any good.
> 
>Thanks. Steve

Actually, what are all the ways to access LDS?

I have access to Bitnet, Internet, Telnet, and several others.

Tammy
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:28:59 EST
Reply-To:     MILLERM@SUVM.BITNET
From:         MILLERM@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      PASSENGER LISTS

Could someone tell me how to obtain copies of passenger lists for
ships that arrived in New York and Baltimore during the period
1910-1915.  I know the names of the ships and the arrrival dates.
Thanks.

Martin Miller
millerm@suvm.bitnet
millerm@suvm,cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: "marker" names
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.164711.8776@usl.edu> aet@ucs.usl.edu (Towster Alicia E.) writes:
>By "marker name" I mean a name which (1) a family favors as an 
>appropriate name for several generations of children and which (2) 
>is sufficiently unusual that to come across a person of this name 
>quickly produces the hypothesis that s/he is a relative. (Some 
>marker names are *so* unusual that this hypothesis springs to mind 
>regardless of the surname; others may only take on significance in 
>combination with particular family names.)

Alicia, this is a great method, but sometimes it gets you into trouble
because families were so indiscriminate in their use of the odd names.
For instance, my family has lots of Sampson and Simpson BOBOs, all
derived from the mid-18th-century immigrant ancestor Samson BOBO.
Trying to sort out the uncles from the cousins is hard enough, and for
a long time I thought Simpson was an alternate spelling of Sampson.
Then, lo and behold, I found a BOBO married to a SIMPSON, whence all
the Simpson BOBOs.
	The name Brittain or Britton (Britt) BAILEY appears over and
over in another line.  I strongly suspect that it derives from Sallie
Bailey (wife of Capt. Thomas BAILEY), whose maiden name I can't find
yet.
	In the MURFIN line, traced back to 1650, almost all the boys
are named William, Robert, John, or George, and the girls Mary or
Ann--not much help. In your terminology, these couldn't count as
marker names, though they do arouse the presumption of relationship. 
	In English-speaking countries, the custom of using a woman's
family name as a given name for her children is fairly recent (no more
than 300 years), and the practice of giving a middle name is even
younger.  But the "marker" phenomenon goes back as far as we have
records, even in Rome.
	On the subject of out-of-fashion names, does anyone know the
origin of Zilpha (Zilphia) and Keziah (Kezziah, Kissiah) as girls'
names?  They show up over and over in the South in the late 18th and
early 19th century, and then disappear almost entirely.

-------
Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BOBO, BRAKE,
BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN), EVERENDEN
(EVERDEN, EVENDEN, EVERNDON), FERREE (FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE, FIERE),
HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY, LEATHERWOOD, LEE, LEFEVRE, McCARTY,
McQUEAD, MUCH, MURFIN, MUSGROVE, PILGRIM (PILGRAM), POPE, SAUERWEIN,
SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD, WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR),
WEGMAN, WOODRUFF (WOODROUGH), YERBY.



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