From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: who's right & who's wrong arguments [was Re: racial harmony- Yasmin]
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:59:15 GMT

In article <3409@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:
>
>[ lots of SELF-ego, SELF....... STUFF deleted ]

Opps...sorry for telling the world that I am a PhD candidate.  Not my
self-ego actually.  Just want to tell people what I am.  If I want to
argue with somebody I prefer to know my opponent as much as possible.
Like Looi, I know him enough.  But, I don't know you that much.  While
flaming or arguing, I always try to do two things -- learn about the
other person and discuss/argue/flame.  I expect the same thing.

>>Yes, Islam is superior than others (for me) because it is my religion.

>Come on, what sort of argument is this ? Does it need a self-claimed
>PHD's student to come up with that sort of answer ? Tell us some 
>thing more concrete rather than just 'Islam is superior because
>it is my religion'. 

You missed my points.  The statement "Islam is superior because..." is
just the summary of my committment to Islam.  I don't need sth.
concrete for now cos' I am trying to establish the possibility of
discussing Islam in the future in this group (nobody will kick anybody
out when discussing about Islam).  


>Q1. Is it because Islam allows polygamy therefore it is superior ?
>    over women at least ? 
>Q2. Worth more than women ?

Are these two questions the best you can come out with?  This shows how 
shallow you people are when it comes to Islam.  You people are
ignorant when it comes to Islam and yet half of the population in
Malaysia are muslims.  How can you and the muslims (Malays) work
together for a better Malaysia if you people don't want to know or 
don't know about the basic belief/code of life of the people?  

You people expect us (the muslims) to learn and accept your culture,
but you yourself don't want to learn about Islam and Malay culture.
Then, where are we going to go with that kind of mentality?
OK...actually, I sensed SARCASM in your questions.  Well, I gave you a
break for this.  If the only things you know about Islam are "women" and
"polygamy", then Mee Teng, start going to the libarry and find sth. about
Islam first before blurting in this newsgroup.  


>>Of course, I will always feel Islam is the most righteous religion.
>>If I think Islam can offer something good to Malaysia, I will try to
>>propose it, or at least introduce it.  But, what did I and many other
>>muslims get when we mentioned the word "Islam" in the newsgroup? You
>>people asked us to get lost or go to other newsgroup.  Where is the
>>discussion?  How did u conclude Islam is not feasible for Malaysia
>>(we haven`t discussed about it yet)?  Now, tell me who is intolerance?  
>>Ignorance? Stoopid?
>
>
>I am ready to listen, please.
>
>[lots of other similar stuff deleted]

Not yet, not NOW.  Postings about Islam will come at the appropriate
time if there is a consensus that Islam can be discussed in this
newgroup freely among other subject matters.  And, you seem to be a 
nice person to discuss with.  So, it is my obligation to be nice to you.
Have a nice thanksgiving.

Thanks for your reply. 


-Azlan Nordin-
  Penn State
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