HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ruocco@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (sergio ruocco)
Subject: Re: C= : Where's the Speech?
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:53:48 GMT

barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
[ Marc's Barret ravings deleted ]

 MARC Barret writes:
>>You can install an array of DSPs or even an array of Crays all dedicated to
>>doing speech synthesis, and the speech would not be improved all that much.

If I remember correctly in a recent Byte issue there was an article
presenting the AT&T 3210 (The most cited DSP so far by C=) system:
AT&T 3210 System = Hardware : the chip 
+ Software 
a DSP Operating Systems
many libraries for
Image compression/decompression : JPEG/MPEG
Modem & transmission protocols V32,V42,MNP...
SPEECH SYNTHESIS & RECOGNITION
......
These routines are written in 3210 assebly code and they runs CONCOURRENTLY
with the main CPU (like Amiga Graphics Chipset).
I think that :
Speech syntesis with Standard Amiga Hardware = Graphics on a vanilla VGA
(the hardware get out the sounds but the cpu has to do 'some' work to
create them).


>	Followups are to c.s.a.advocacy.

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Tandy (Was: Re: Educational Software/CDTV)
Date: 9 Dec 92 09:39:23 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: Tandy

In article <ByxLFL.GAJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>
>Tandy is an AWESOME marketer...I don't know how many SHIT computers
>they sold for years, and most of the population hasn't caught on yet
>(although, to be fair, their new stuff isn't bad).

Hmm, back in the old days with their first computers, they had some
impact. Here in Germany, PET was clearly no. 1, but Apple and Tandy
struggled for second place, and among the people I knew Tandy won.
I myself didn't like them, but I have friends that did (and do) and
got some real work done with them.

>Tandy is EVERYWHERE.

Please add: ONLY in USA. After they had some success with their first
computers here in Germany, they also tried to gain impact in the general
electronics market with their chain of shops. They had two of them here
in Frankfurt, don't know much about the rest of the country. But they
are gone, no Tandy around anymore. And probably also not in the rest
of Europe.

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 05:50:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <torrie.724104520@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>

>>Pick up any trade journal and compare the revenues generated in the personal
>>computer industry in the last fiscal year. Compare this to a previous annual
>>growth rate of 13%.
>
>  There's a difference between revenues and unit shipments.

The orginal poster is correct. Growth is way off in the computer games
industry, and there are fewer units being shipped. There's a whole article
on this in Chris Crawford's Journal of Computer Game Design. I don't agree
with his conclusions regarding the drop (he feels games have gotten so
complex as to exclude beginners), but the game makers are hurting. There
are very few big sellers (those selling over 100,000 units). It seems
the industry peaked in 1990.

The question is, why? More and more PC's are sold every year, but less and
less games being sold.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:35:53 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec14.193022.16527@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>>Why would Microsoft do that? Wouldn't they do it for the Mac (yech) first?
>>Is this just a wild idea or is it really true? Or what?
> 
> Let me make this very clear: MICROSOFT WILL NEVER AGAIN DEVELOP SOFTWARE FOR
> THE AMIGA. Period.
> 
> At our last company meeting in the "King Dome" we were presented with a
> slide showing some of the risks MS didn't take (ie: the real risks). On
> this slide was listed development for Sun, NeXT and Amiga. Too bad, IMHO.
> Bill managed to neglect what I consider to be the three finest desktop
> platforms avaialble.

	This is bad because of all the potential lost buyers ( sheep really )
	saying: "I want Windows, I want Word, I want Excell on the Amiga"
	Personally, I hope Microsoft stays as far as possible from the Amiga 
	or any other alternative platform worth it's salt.

	What is really needed on the Amiga is support by more of the littler
	guys making MS-DOS/Windows software.  Aww screw it... we don't need
	those losers either.

> 
> If we ever see NT for the Amiga it will be becuase CBM made a deal
> with MS to develop it themselves, just like SGI.

	I'm sorry, it's just that damn PC I got to use at work...f*cking 
	piece of sh*t... Maybe if I used a Gateway or Dell or....
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM, what's wrong?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:45:46 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <1992Dec19.201316.19283@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>Will  Sierra/Dynamix be supporting the AGA Amiga's? I keep hearing conflicting
>stories.

   Last time: Dynamix is out of the Amiga market - period. As in, gone, left,
no more, memory, past tense, history. To my knowledge, there are absolutely
no plans of supporting AGA or any other Amiga graphics hardware that ever
comes out.   
   As for Sierra, they've suspended Amiga development as of a month or two
ago. Whether or not SIERRA decides to get back into the Amiga is another
question, but I personally feel pessimistic about it.

>By the way, it's rather interesting to note the lack of sales for the Sega
>CD-ROM. Will it continue to be supported? 

   It has actually sold quite well during the initial weeks (it's only been
available for about 5 weeks in the US). Dynamix is still developing for it.
(That's why I was at work until 1AM this morning...)

>What about the SNES one when they
>decide there is a market, after Sega markets their product, for CD players?

   Oh, future question! Looking into my crystal ball I can say: who knows.


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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM PC Compatible Sega Megadrive
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:34:55 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: kroddos@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au's message of 8 Dec 92 01:39:19 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Dec 92 01:39:19 GMT, kroddos@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jimmy Fang) said:

Jimmy> I was watching TV this morning, watching one of those tacky home
Jimmy> shopping shows and some guy from Amstrad was demo-ing a new IBM PC
Jimmy> compatible that could also play Sega Megadrive/Genesis game cartridges.

Jimmy> I really want to get one!  You can play some really cool games!

There is already an external peripheral for the PC that can play 
Sega carts. It's called the 'Genesis' and costs ~$99 retail in the US. 
It has it's own power supply and can run concurrently with the PC using
a separate display.

There is a similar device that allows clone owners to play SNES games.

But, seriously...

IMHO, it would be stupid to even bother coupling a 16bit game system MB
with a PC MB since the consoles are now priced considerably cheaper than
dirt. (At least that's the situation here in the states.)
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Are you still an ALCOHOLIC?
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:33:51 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>	I'll do better than that. I'll show you a 1 meg 500 for $299 that the
>local dealer is selling. The 500 is somewhat of a wimpy (although perfectly
>useable) machine. For what you get, it's a reasonably good deal.
>	If you wanna get dangerous, the 600 goes for $399. It's still wimpy,
>but it has more chip ram and you can pick the thing up in one hand and wave it
>around violently with little to no effort at all. (I should know, I tried it
>at the Pasadena WOC. The Commodore rep wasn't impressed.)

We were talking about computers, not consoles.  I can get a PC for
$29.95.  I wouldn't want to, though.  Let's see you do something
useful on a computer with no hard drive and 1 MB of RAM.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,misc.test,alt.flame
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Falcon sucks!
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:36:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <Da3mVB5w165w@doqboz.azme.gcn.nz> news@doqboz.azme.gcn.nz writes:
>ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Slu Aspiks) writes:
>
>> YOU STUPID!! YOUN ONE IS UGLY!!! FALCON IS BIRD-DOODOO!!!!  IS YOU SO 
>> NERD AND IS AN UGLY TOO!  HA! REAL THING VAPOIR!!!!!

>Go home. Learn to spell. Find out about the capslock key.
>
>I'm glad that _most_ Amiga owners aren't mindless jerks like this twat.

It was a JOKE! new to C.S.A.Advocacy eh? It was a SPOOF of an ATARI user named
JEFF YOUNG.

BTW... where is Jeff Young?

Ian.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:14:42 GMT

papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>At any rate the zorro III absolutely kills all pc busses out there for the pc.
>>I haven't looked into those sbuses and stuff on workstations.

>Yeah, right.  I can GUARANTEE you that the PC will have a 64 bit bus
>before the Amiga, no question.

>Hear me now, believe me later.  There will be 64 bit bus PCs before
>the end of 1993.

And how many home computers will have this?  That is what I was talking
about before you so rudely cut out my text to fit your needs.  And do
you know of any 486 cpus that are 64bit? heck when the pentium comes
out there is rumor that it will have a 32bit bus maybe 64bit internal.

And the fact is zorro III, kills eisa, kills vesa, in speed.
And the zorro III kills eisa, and kills vesa, in multitasking.

>>And the lowest common denominator will be for a long time be 16bit graphics
>>because of the flooding of 16bit graphic machines in the past couple years.

>With a graphics driver, you don't HAVE to write to the lowest common
>denominator.  You just "write" and the OS (perfereably OS/2 or unix)
>scales it for you.

Sorry, but wrong. you took my text out of context again.  I am beginning not
to like you.  I have been talking about truly arcade games.  Ie you 
don't scale it down or else it is useless.  And you won't be finding 
those games on os/2.  Fat chance, ms-dog.

>>And with the amiga's aga, and the Electronic Arts possible computer 3do, 
>>should clean up.

>The PC will move COMPLETELY to VESA before all Amiga users move to AGA.
>The Amiga sells a notoriously high percentage of low end (A600)
>machines, and Amiga users hold on to their machines for a long, long
>time.

Well, sorry all to vesa, you have been reading too much hype on this crappy
bus haven't you.  vesa busses aren't very well suited for coprocessed 
graphics and most other areas.  eisa is much better suited for coprocessed
graphics and hard drives.  

And the pc's sell a notoriously high percentage of low end pc's ie 
$1500 486sx isa bus with 8bit( as opposed to 16bit, ie not color depth)
graphics.  And you didn't realy comment on the ea 3do did ya?  
Considering how many companies they own, they will have no short supply
of game software, and can delay ports to other platforms for better
acceptance of it.  Oh please lets not forget we are talking about home
computers here, to play games and such.  And with it being a risc cpu
they might be able to run win nt, and have lots of other apps.

Martin


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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:14:40 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>Oh heck, nothing. The bus of the week is a pretty good way to ensure
>all peripherals work together.

It's all in how you choose.  A VESA/EISA motherboard will run 97% of
the cards being produced today.  There is no reason motherboards can't
be combined so that you can choose your next motherboard based on the
periperhals you have now an dthe ones you want to have in the future.
ISA/EISA is an example, or EISA/VESA or MCA/VESA (which will happen)

>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Reasons for a notebook amiga
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:39:47 GMT

In article <Bz6AL3.K1y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>In article <Byt3CK.4KL@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>> >Michael
>> >-----------
>> >I guess this is a sig:  please don't buy anything that comes from
>> >Colorado USA until proposition II (rendering civil rights protection for
>> >gay, lesbian and bisexual people unconstitutional) is repealed.
>> 
>> ---
>> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> EVERYBODY:  BUY PRODUCTS FROM COLORADO, USA WHENEVER YOU CAN!!! :-) :-) :-)
>> Support initiatives against giving special priviliges for immoral behavior.
>
>Marc, I always thought you were a bit opinionated, but this kind of disgusting,
>unthinking remark shows me that you're not only opinonated, but that you sit at
>the bottom of a well and see only the sky (and probably jerk off while you're
>down there).  The Colorado proposition which passed has declared that anyone
>who doesn't meet the morals of some extremist neo-Nazi groups (primarily
>Christian groups, which lends a veneer of morality to their claims, although no
>true Christian could support their views of hate) is not guaranteed their
>constitutional rights as US citizens.  It's denying these people not special
>priviledges, but basic human rights.  You are a sick man, Marc.  Please seek
>professional help - most schools offer counseling services for free.

   I think you are getting Colorado mixed up with post-cold-war Germany.  The
Colorado proposition merely states that people will no longer be granted
special privilidges on the basis of sexual oritentation.  It does nothing to
strip homosexual people of their civil and constitutional rights.  You are
the person who needs psychological help, not me.

>-- 
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.184255.11678@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
 > In article <Paula_Lieberman.07f4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
 > >30,000 computers in two weeks (rate that someone reported A1200s selling in
 > >Germany) comes out to 15,000 X 52 per year, ~ 750,000.  That's not really
 > >that many..... 

Isn't that double Atari's figures for first-year falcon sales?  Or did I misread
something? ;)

 > Thats because dealers are getting rid of A500s, A500+s and A600
 > at the moment. Dixons in the UK is a good example of this. The
 > A1200 is hidden on a low shelf, while the A600 is on display.

You're telling me!  In Norway, the 1200 isn't out yet, and I got (virtually)
thrown out of a local dealer for mentioning it to a potential 600 customer... 
Might be because I advised him to get it mail order from UK, though...

 > I have enquired in 4 Dixons stores and _none_ of them are even
 > displaying anything on the A1200 more than the Workbench boot
 > up hand.

Speaking of which, did C= change the 2.04 bootup anim for 3.0?  You say 'boot up
hand', but do you really mean it?  Why am I even asking?

 > Considering that, I would say the A1200 is very _popular_.
 > 
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From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
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In article <1992Dec13.061400.28016@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> 
> There doesn't seem to be any commonality among windows.  In Windows, there
> is always the command-button thingee in the top left, and the super-inuitive
> max/min buttons on the top right.  The scrollbars in Windows look more
> professional, IMO.

Wow, a Professional looking scroll bar. Tha comment can ONLY come from an
IBM person.

Hm, whats a command button thingee ? sounds real professional to me.

TRouble is, its easier to use the AMiga windows than he Windows windows IMO

> 
> That, and those awful 4 colors!  Sheesh!  You Amigans REALLY don't know what
> you're missing with 4 colors.  Going back to a 4 color mode
> once used t 16 or more colors should be impossible, IMO.  Really, those WB

Why ? You can always change the number of colors if you want.

> screens looked like so much CGA.  Ack.

Must be about time that you went to see an Optomitrist to see about getting
some glasses

> 
> And the Workbench is suppose to be SO SOO GREAT!?  Ha!

And Windows is supposed to be quick ? Efficient ? Good looking ?

If you dont like the Amiga and the OS then dont look at it or use it or
even talk about it

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Alpha Fun Fact #2314
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:11:07 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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In article <1gib3hINNn0l@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>   Fat chance. Do you even know what the power requirements for that chip are?
>It's not just big, it's HUGE. It's not going to happen. Besides, the chip
>itself is very, very, VERY expensive - not exactly something a company that's
>conscious about price would put in a computer.

With the Alpha chip dissipating 20W of power, it gets hot.  How hot,
you say?  Well, have you ever seen those little Betty Crocker ovens
for kids to bake cakes in?  Well, those are 10-15W...

Buy an Alpha, the only laptop that gives you a hot-seat...

Greg

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From: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Reply-To: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:31:18 GMT

Well, at least someone isn't roasting me. You gotta realize, Jordan, I 
didn't want to do it, but you have to read the handwriting on the wall. 
The Amiga has a negligable presence in the U.S. A film magazine called 
"Cinemafantastique" recently did an in-depth story on the new show 
"Babylon 5." Dunno if you you've heard about it, but the grafx are done 
on Amigas with Toasters. Well, the Toaster got a lot of praise, but 
Commodore and the AMiga were categorically ignored. Another one they let 
slip through their fingers.

I just wish some of these multimedia types like Paul Allen would buy CBM. 
It's market value is low... about $245 million, since its stock is so 
cheap. Name one other hardware maker with a $7 share price?

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