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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle's 'No New Messages, Post Here?' Prompt
Date: 24 Sep 92 23:36:34 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

dszego@srvtech (David Szego) writes:

>         Hi all. When I use 'n' for new messages, any groups which have 
> previous messages pause and ask me if I want to post here, even tho they 
> don't have new messages. How do I disable this 'feature'?
Use the /fast parameter in your ~\usenet file.

                                   Jeff

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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: PCElm 3.01
Keywords: Elm, Mail
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 00:51:44 PDT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder)
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

lance@circle.UUCP (Lance A. Brown) writes:

->   Has anyone done any work to make PC Elm 3.01 get along with DOS/Waffle 
-> 1.65?  If so, what did you do to accomplish this?

Me too!!!!

Actually I did have the Waffle => PCElm installed, but had a disk
crash AND a bad backup tape.   Arrrrgggggg.  I'm now rebuilding from
scratch.

Can someone email me or post the actual filename and where I can get
it and PC Elm 3.01 from?

Thanks
   John    Finding still more utility programs 
           that need to be replaced.



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From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: PCElm 3.01
Keywords: Elm, Mail
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 20:41:29 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

lance@circle.UUCP (Lance A. Brown) writes:

> Hello,
> 
>   Has anyone done any work to make PC Elm 3.01 get along with DOS/Waffle 
> 1.65?  If so, what did you do to accomplish this?
> 
> Lance

I *just* got it working.  I like it!  FTP elm4waf.zip from /pub/waffle on
halcyon.com (they support anon. UUCP, FTP, Fidonet Freq, or direct downloads
I'll post more infro with Phone #'s etc if needed.


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From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 02:10:54 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
> In article <76TZRB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> |Waffle and all other BBS programs should be robust enough to recover from
> |dropped carrier.  Sure, my modem recovers, but Waffle does not always do
> |so.
> 
> I find it extremely hard to believe that Waffle is the cause of your
> problems, and not your modem.

I have run into this same problem from time to time. 99% of the time
Waffle detects a dropped carrier. 1% of the time it doesn't and just
sits there until the keyboard times out.

It's not my modem because it does the same thing with three different
modems (2 different brands) that work fine with other BBS software.



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From: randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: UUCICO Status definition wanted
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid)
Organization: The Proteus Group, Montreal Canada

I've been thinking of writing a companion utility that will
allow my DOS Waffle system to make some intelligent polling
decisions -- such as only trying to repoll a dead system a
number of times, generating out of service messages to root,
rerouting undelivered email, etc.

The SPOOL/STATUS directory seems to contain all the required
information but I need to know more about its format.

So far I've figured out the following:

 +- time of last sucessful connect
 |         +- time of last retry attempt
 |         |
 |         |           +--- retry count      +--- status
 |         |           |                     |
717601870 717616442 0  6   136  3035 0 0 0 0 FAILED
717619335 0         0  0  8180   244 0 0 0 0 SUCCEEDED
                                     | | | |
                                     +-+-+-+-- probably not used

Can antbody tell me what the other fields are for and what
format the "time" fields are (I assume they are something like
seconds since something).

Thanks,

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From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: waffle and stacker ???
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 14:47:01 +1000
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

mallman@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Mark Allman) writes:

> > does it matter if you 'stack' all the /waffle tree
> > or should you put users and file-section on a 'normal'
> > partition ?
> 
> i have been running v1.64 with all files on a stacker (v1.1) volume, with
> no problems.  i use waffle as a personal site, and so i dont have a files
> section, so i dont know if they can be stored on the stacked volume.  my
> guess is that they could be.  i am also assuming that 1.65 will work fine
> on stacker, as i have seen nothing to the contrary.  :-)

Stacker 2.0 works just fine with Waffle 1.65.  It can be used for the files
section, but you won't gain any benefit if the vast majority of them are
already compressed.  You can gain substantial savings at the cost of speed
and some convenience by running stacked /user and /waffle trees, and best
of all on news where I get a ratio of around 2.5:1 compression (running 4K
clusters).

I tried both SpeedStor (with and without DRDOS 6) and Doubledisk, and found
Stacker to be exceptionally stable compared with these others; the needs
of my system are unusually demanding, so its a pretty good endurance test
and says a lot for Stacker.  (DRDOS didn't last for stability reasons in
its own right).

Neither SS or DD lasted more than a few weeks - a spurious system hang in
both cases often caused problems which could only be recovered by resetting
or reformatting the compressed partition.  Dubledisk had worse problems
than any of them in this regard - a faulty partition would not only not
be detected, but would cause "divide by zero" errors usually accompanied
by hanging whenever an attempt was made to access a corrupted region.
SpeedStor is badly behaved when the partition becomes near full, but
in all fairness, that is 'documented behaviour'.

I found Stacker to be resilient to all of these problems, and after now
two months of running it, I haven't found any unreasonable incidence of
the system hanging; rebooting unexpectedly doesn't cause problems since
the driver is able to detect this and - for the most part - automatically
fix it on bootup as the driver loads.  I've only had to run SDEFRAG once
so far after such an incident, but the point is that the problem _was_
recoverable.

As to performance, Stacker does do better.  DoubleDisk seeemed to yield
the best compression ratio though.  The only annoyance I suffer with
Stacker is that the degragger is VERY slow.



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From: Alan Millar <amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.Org>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65 Enhancement or Bug?
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 00:42:37 PST
Reply-To: Alan Millar <amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.Org>
Organization: The Bolis Group, San Jose, CA

magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland) writes:

> I followed the discussion regarding auto-ata: and using the "s"
> key to login to Waffle and take the modem off-hook.  So I tried
> it.  It worked like a charm until ...
 
> The outgoing call gave a "NO CARRIER" message, then reset the
> modem and connected on the next try.  This happens anytime after
 
It sounds like you have OFFHOOK: ATH1 in addition to AUTO-ATA.

If so, get rid of the off-hook.  You shouldn't need it with AUTO-ATA.

- Alan

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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Can FEEDS files have multiple entries?
Keywords: dos waffle 165 news feed
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:26:24 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> I was wondering if it was possible in the DOS version of Waffle 1.65
> to specify multiple feed lines in the FEEDS file.

As promised, here is the followup.

Several helpful responses were received, stating that for multiple feed
lines in the FEEDS file, you just require some blank space in the start
of each continuation line.

So instead of:

that.site /batch=comp16 comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.msdos.programmer
that.site /batch=comp16 alt.ensign.wesley.die.die.die,news.admin
that.site /batch=comp16 alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg

You can just have:

that.site /batch=comp16 comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.msdos.programmer,
          alt.ensign.wesley.die.die.die,news.admin,
          alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg

In fact, before I received this information (which, er, happens to be
in the docs as well :-) ) my feed site was getting duplicate copies of
outgoing news should the article be cross-posted to groups specified
in other lines.

One person suggested using something to the effect of:

that.site /batch=comp16 *,!excluded.group,!excluded.group

However this is bad -- I already played that game (it almost cost me
my feed!!  Right Paul?  :-)  ) -- basically I was feeding my neighbour
all groups that I was getting and excluding ones he didn't want.

Everytime someone cross-posted into a group I hadn't thought of I'd
get a complaint and would have to modify my FEEDS file to exclude it.
In his style of wit it looked like something below (sorry I can't seem
to find the exact quotation):

that.site /batch=comp16 *,!this.group,!that.group,!the.other.group,
          !oops.forgot.one,!there.that.should.be.it.now,!heres.another,
          !hey.it's.not.my.fault.they.just.created.foo

Ad absurdum...

Anyways, I've got it working perfectly now...well, perfect enough!

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Modem angst
Organization: Blue Moon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:39:16 GMT

Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com> writes:

>otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:

>> Well, there are (unfortunately) two products from USRobotics called
>> "dual standard" (what a silly name... why not call it "sexist" ?):

>Interesting choice of words, yes.  Since their own protocol isn't
>a 'standard', do they mean v.32bis/v.42bis?  or v.42bis/MNP? :)

 Oh, but HST modulation *is* a standard. A proprietary standard, but it
is indeed a standard. 

 And they didn't mean V.32bis or V.42bis as V.32 was new at the time
and that was the other standard (and V.42bis upgrades were made available
much later). Along with being a USR dealer I was also one of the the first
people outside of USR to have a DS (20 got shipped, then the distribution
was put on hold for 2.5 months), I remember all this too well.
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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Command-line RNEWS / TRUNCATED BATCHex
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 12:19:10 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> ]...[
>  
> > Yeah, right.
> > 
> > "Hi, I just bought a modem and am exploring BBS services around town. Do
> > you have a way to read messages off-line?"
> > 
> > "Sure. Download this 545K .zip file and wade through all of it's files
> > for the next month or so. Once you have it set up, let me know what
> > newsgroups you want."
> 
> Sounds about right to me.  That is exactly what I do.  I will accept any
> and all new users.  I also firmly suggest that they get the software and
> set up their own waffle iron.  I have better things to do than hand hold
> beginning BBS hunters.  Now...if YOU want to do that, it is your perogative.

Sure, I'm willing to help the new folks and listen to the people who
use my system. That's what it is all about.

> As was mentioned, the more waffle irons we have, the more Tom will pay
> attention to our suggestions.

Well, I'm not on Tom's sales force. Glad that approach works for you,
tho.


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From: ferret@works.uucp (Dave Ferret)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: DoS SHeLL
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:40:57 GMT
Organization: The Works BBS - Informational Archives - Est. 1985


Howdy, 

 I have noticed for quite some time that while running with the ansi 
driver my DOS shell is fubar

Is there a fix for this but still keeping ansi displays? Or should I just 
say C0W and change it to direct.


                ..Dave

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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Logging in again without logging out?
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:25:39 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

> Type 'login' at your main waffle prompt.
Ok, thats *IT*!! I'm NOT going to post intelligent-seeming questions in
the wee hours of the night! :-) What's worse, I already use this to cycle
between 4 different local accounts. Somebody hit me with a 300 baud modem,
pullleeeeeze?? :-)

                                   Jeff

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From: a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:37:22 EDT
Organization: .sdrawkcaB sgnihT gnipyT roF yteicoS ehT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> Man, is this extraordinarily bogus, or what!?  I never would have thought
> about such existing, until I actually saw a user get logged off with:
> 
> 12825 19.2k slim     leonard <0>                 5:46p   5:48p   MON 256  SiN
>                                                                           ^^^
> Now, I'd never seen THIS before.  I'm thinking "what is this, some way of
> forcing a logout if the user says something bad?  So, I looked in the docs,
> and found this in user.doc, line 731:       ^^^
> 
> 		SiN	user took 255 turns (far too many)
> 
> Now, there's only five occurences of the word "turns" in all the documentatio
> Maybe we could have an actual definition of "turn." Would you have guessed th
> was hard-coded?  It was a great surprise to me.
> 
> Here's another question for you:  how did this user manage to have 256 "turns
> in only two minutes?
> 
> To Waffle's credit, I have seen users get bumped offline (apparently) by
> their call-waiting notificatiers, and this seems to throw Waffle into a state
> of MASSIVE confusion, with (apparently) many keystrokes flashing across the
> screen.  Waffle does not realize the carrier has been dropped; so, the next
> time the modem answers the line, the "spewing" of garbage continues, until
> the other side drops carrier again.  ...and so forth, until, eventually, this
> "turn" count would be exceeded and the user would get logged off, for the wro
> reason.  (I'm guessing as to how, but Waffle does eventually reset and recove
> though it takes _way_ too long.)
> 
> This is hardly what I would call a great way of handling this scenario, but
> I guess it beats waiting for the "timeout" value for the user to be exceeded.
> It seems that there is some additional work to be done in order to get
> Waffle to be more robust in handling dropped carrier...

Sounds to me like you may have forced carrier in your modem (AT&C0 for
most Hayes clones). Try an AT&C1 to correct this. I've never had any
trouble with Waffle recognizing a dropped carrier, whether or not it was
caused by call-waiting.

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From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and ANSI
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 23:47:37 EDT
Reply-To: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063


> First, Waffle is essentially a text-based system.  you know, news and
> mail.  Text.

I'm more than well aware of this, I've been running it for a little while
now, and happen to love it. ANSI is text with a couple extra escape sequences
embedded in it. VT100 is a subset of ANSI 3.64, and I'm sure most of us
wouldn't want Waffle to only have plain tty capability or whatever.

> Second, the various ANSI drivers behave differently,
> as each author strives to interpret the ANSI specs to perfection.

But all ANSI drivers conform to the same calling conventions and escape
sequences, although the internal implementation may differ slightly.
Otherwise, how would they work?

> ANSI is not needed for the basic Waffle functions, and Waffle
> works flawlessly in BASIC configurations (well, ALMOST flawlessly,
> but let's not quibble).  So, what to do?  You want ANSI for certain
> applications to run from within and from outside Waffle?  Use a
> driver that can be unloaded, such as the later release of PCMag's
> ANSI.COM.  Load it only when you need it, which definitely ISN'T
> in a remote shell.

I fear my original question was misunderstood, or poorly phrased.
Probably the latter, from the tone of your response. Anyway, the
DOS Waffle docs clearly state that with the video : ansi parameter in
the static file Waffle will use the ansi driver for screen writes, and
likewise that video : bios will use the bios.

All I want to do is set up color text menus that will appear the same
locally as they will online. Currently all the escape codes are actually
displayed on the local console. To my understanding all I have to do is
set video : ansi in the static file and have an ansi driver installed,
and the codes should be processed and the screen displayed properly.
Or at least this seems logical to me. It doesn't appear to be working,
so I either missed something or it just doesn't work as documented.

> OR... (and this is my favorite) get hold of Marshall Dudley's
> (forgive spelling errors) DOORWAY and use it for your re-direction.

This seems a poor solution when one is led to believe that the
functionality may already be there.

> But in any event, dear readers (thanks, Timo), don't fault Waffle
> for trying to make it do something for which it wasn't really
> intended.  If you get it to succeed, great!  You may be in the
> minority, but at least YOU'RE happy.

I do not fault Waffle, I merely am seeking clarification as to what
I may be doing wrong. I think the question I'm asking is a reasonable
one, and apologize if it came across the wrong way.


 ---
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From: warelock@netrun.cts.com (Tom Zacharoff)
Newsgroups: sdnet.waffle,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: COLORS!
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 11:33:52 PDT
Distribution: sdnet
Organization: NetRunner's Paradise BBS, San Diego CA

markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold) writes:

> Can anybody give me any ideas on how to get colors? Where are
> these color numbers coming from? They do not look like ansi
> codes to me.

I have no idea about the colors. I actually *like* white letters on black
background. It somehow reminds me of the way computer screens used to look
before Super-duper VGA...

Good luck. Let me know how it goes.

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From: mallman@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Mark Allman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: waffle and stacker ???
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:43:54 GMT
Organization: /home/ace/a/mallman/.org

In article <1992Sep30.152407.27863@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com>, vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan) writes:
> are there any problems running stacker and waffle ?
> 
> does it matter if you 'stack' all the /waffle tree
> or should you put users and file-section on a 'normal'
> partition ?

i have been running v1.64 with all files on a stacker (v1.1) volume, with
no problems.  i use waffle as a personal site, and so i dont have a files
section, so i dont know if they can be stored on the stacked volume.  my
guess is that they could be.  i am also assuming that 1.65 will work fine
on stacker, as i have seen nothing to the contrary.  :-)

mark
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: FILES ( . option )
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:28:16 GMT

olive@edale.amigans.gen.nz (Wayne Hoyle) writes:
: I have set up the Waffle System file DIRS to control navigation through
: the FILES option ... the problem I am having is that with the . ( dot ) 
: command I am able to jump into the root directory even though my DIRS 
: file has a deny option on that level eg.

As an admin, you'll have the ability to go anywhere and do anything.
Create a John User account with normal access and try it.