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From: johnsd2@lib102.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: RELIGION & PRESIDENTS
Reply-To: johnsd2@lib102.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:21:57 GMT

In article 7378@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de, y41@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
>Ok, I just watched Clinton's swearing in ceremony and I couldn't believe how
>religious is was.  Since I'm in Germany, we saw it live but with German
>news anchors.  They couldn't believe how religious the whole thing was
>and found it amusing that the government could carry on in such a way. I 
>found the innaguration disgusting. In America, if you don't preach about
>God or carry on about religion you have no chance in hell(grin) of becoming
>president! Just once I would like to see the president say, "Look folks
>there is no God. Stop praying, get off your asses and do something about
>our problems." or after winning a war "Don't thank the Lord for winning,
>thank the fucking Tomahawk cruise missiles and the stealth fighters!" 

:) :)

I wish.

Actually tho, it's not too bad. Lincoln was no Christian at least,
and Thomas Jefferson was... odd. But an open atheist would be flattened
by the religious right. For that matter, I rather expect a Jew, Muslim,
Mormon, Buddhist, Taoist... well you get the idea. The U.S.A. isn't
terribly tolerant of its president.

>KINISON MODE=ON
>
>WHY THE HELL WAS BILLY GRAHAM THERE?!?!
>
>KINISON MODE=OFF

Who's Kinison? :)

>To sum it up, there was...The Homeboy Baptist Choir..Billy Graham..Clinton...
>the Lord...Benediction...more prayers...Amen...
>
>What do you other atheists think about this? 

Useless, waste of money, but not my money. So let him have his fun.

Still, I don't particularly like *him* telling *me* that I need to
"Answer the Call with God's Help", but what the heck. It was his party,
and the government wasn't paying for it. He could shout hail marys
for all I care.

He has a right to practice his religion, anyway. Maybe that involves
big parades. :)

---
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
You'll never know whose they are.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Easter whodunnit
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:09:09 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1993Jan20.001942.24611@nmsu.edu> epowers@dante.nmsu.edu (POWERS) writes:
>F. Karner (frank@austin.ibm.com) wrote:
>: Suppose there were no guards.  Suppose his followers dug a tunnel
>: and stole the body that way.  [...]
>
>	Have you really read this post?  If you suppose there were no
>guards, you must give a reason why, as at least one witness of the time
>said there were some.

The most likely explanation is that the witness is lying.  The reason
that there were no guards is that it made no sense for there to be
any.  I can't imagine an officer who, short of being out of his mind,
would send soldiers to guard the body of an executed criminal, as if
it were some object of value or as if the army had nothing else to do.

>The rules of this post are to treat it as a whodunnit,

Exactly.  So let's play according to the rules.  In a whodunnit one
assumes that people do things for which they have a motive.  One
doesn't assume, however, that everything everyone says is true.  I
have no positive knowledge as to what the Romans did with the bodies
of crucified troublemakers, but the only reasonable guess is that they
simply discarded them, to be devoured by street dogs or picked up from
the rubbish heap and buried by friends and family.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Who: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 25 Jan 93  08:17:44

What: <schnitzi.727452404@eola.cs.ucf.edu>
With "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
 
RK> "Count me in.  I really liked those things as a child.
RK> Especially the ones where the evil atheists die in train
RK> crashes and go to hell!  Great stuff.
 
MS> "'Big Daddy,' the evolution one, was the all-time classic.
MS> I remember another one, about a big mean guy in jail who
MS> gets converted, but I don't remember what it was called.
MS> Anyone remember any others?
 
There is "The Death Cookie," with is hate literature against
the Catholic church. There is also "Poor Little Witch," which
is GREAT (I have a text version if you'd like it). Also don't
ever pass up "This Was Your Life," which isn't hearly as humorous
as most, but still worth a guff and a chuckle.
 
MS> --mark

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: ABPD103@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (John F. Donoghue)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Atheism in pop culture
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:09:16 GMT
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
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In <1jpc5jINNbbk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:

> 
> In a previous article, jstump@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (John E. Stump) says:
> >
> >There's a great song by the group "The The" called Armegeddon Days or
> >something like that. I'll bring in the lyrics tomorrow.
> >
> >john
> >
> >-- 
> >John Stump (jstump@netftp.austin.ibm.com)
> >
> 	There are the songs, Lepper Messiah by Metalica, Jesus Saves by Slayer
> along with Crooked Cross, Read Between The Lies amungst others by the same
> band. And a fav of mine, "God Is Broke" by D.R.I.
> 
> 	<from memory>
> 
> 	God is Broke, well is dry 
> 	Pay up while you can or you'll end up in hell
> 
> -- 
> A. TRENT PHILLIPS |" A mirror is a negative space with a frame and a place for
>   also known as   | your face, it reveals what the rest of us see. It conceals
>    WHITE  ROOK    | what you'd like you to be."--Blue Oyster Cult
> ------------------------bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu--------------------------

Another good one is "Godsong" by the Residents:

     God never did like Man, anyway,
     At least not since they started walking around
     On their hind legs...

h.dykstra
abpd103@deimos.ucc.umass.edu
From: anadeem@ampere.alt.graphics.pixutils (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
Subject: MRI and CT-SCAN Images For Dogs?
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:05:45 GMT
Distribution: alt.pcnews
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
      I am currently working on a research project that involves construction 
of realistic, solid or geometric models for dogs.
      Does anyone know where I can get serial section images( MRI, CT-SCAN, 
etc ) for dogs?
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
From: anadeem@ampere.alt.graphics.pixutils (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
Subject: Edge Detection And Segmentation Using Khoros And PV-WAVE
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:06:59 GMT
Distribution: alt.pcnews
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
        I am currently working on a research project that involves generating
solid or geometric models from MRI images. Part of the procedure will require 
me to possibly perform Thresholding & Edge Detection on my MRI images in order
to find out which pixels lie on boundaries between two different regions. 
Thus, I would like to have an Image Processing Software package that has good 
Edge Detection and Classification ( Segmentation ) modules/routines.  
        I have heard a lot about Khoros ( University Of New Mexico) and 
PV-WAVE (Precision Visuals) and was curious if other professionals or students
had any experience on how good they are for the above purposes. Suggestions 
on other software packages are also much welcome.
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From:  Chris Melle <melle@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: re: CT-scan of dogs
Originator: melle@graham
Reply-To:  Chris Melle <melle@advtech.uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:14:33 GMT


In article <ANADEEM.93Jan27000545@ampere.alt.graphics.pixutils> you write:
>Netters,
>      I am currently working on a research project that involves construction 
>of realistic, solid or geometric models for dogs.
>      Does anyone know where I can get serial section images( MRI, CT-SCAN, 
>etc ) for dogs?
>                                                       Thanks,
>                                                              Ahmed Nadeem

My email to you bounced, so here it is:

You can try CSU Veterinary Teaching Hospital
300 West Drake Road
Fort Collins, CO  80523
303-221-4535

My dog Mogul had a CT-scan done there. His case number is 113552,
his neurologist is Dr. Luttgen.
I don't know what she/they will say, but if they require my permission,
let me know (I assume they would just give you copies ... (on disk?)).

-chris

p.s. I would be interested in your research results.

-- 
Chris Melle    U S WEST Adv. Tech.        FAX: 303 541 6773
4001 Discovery Drive, Suite 320         Phone: 303 541 6836
Boulder, CO  80303                   Internet: melle@uswest.com
UUCP: ...{boulder,bellcore,att,sunpeaks}!uswat!melle
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: amcandel@eos.ncsu.edu (Alex Candelaria)
Subject: AT&T Monitor
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:14:28 GMT

	Hello, I have a curious question for everyone.  I have a monitor that
I picked up from surplus and it's called a AT&T CRT814H monitor.  I have not
idea what standard it is.  The data cable on it has a db25 ping male 
connector on it.  That's right, 25 pin, not 9 pin or 15 pin high-density.  
Risking blowing out the monitor, I hooked up a generic RS232 (yes, I know
what you are thinking, but the monitor was free) 9 to 25 pin converter to it.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it didn't work, but it
almost did, except the pin with the synx line didn't match up so it was 
unreadable, but remarkably, was getting data.  My question to everyone here is
what are the pin-outs for this monitor and if possible, can I get some specs
on it (frequency range, is it PC compabible, etc...).  The only things I can
figure out is that it is a twelve inch monitor on a swivel stand, and that it
does have color on it (in the above mentioned experiment, I hooked it up to
an ATI VGA wonder on its digital port).  Any Ideas?  Any help?  It would be
greatly appreciated.  Thank you



						Alex
						amcandel
						candel in the morning


amcandel@eos.ncsu.edu
From: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Chicago cul-de-sacs
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:44:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From article <churayj-240193115418@morse-college-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>, by churayj@yalevm.edu (raymond Chung):
> Hello.
> 
> Have you heard about Mayor Daley's plan to section off as much of Chicago
> as he can in order to stem crime?  He wants to put up fences or concrete
> barriers at the ends of roads to corner criminals and to stop drive-by
> shootings, etc. Other cities have done similar things in certain areas, but
> the Chicago plan is to cordon off the entire city into little chunks.
> 
> Now my question is this, is the future of urban design going to be shaped
> by the pressures of crime?  (Or is it already, and I'm just too much an
> amateur to know that?)

I would assume that security has always been an issue.  Oscar Newman's book
_Defensible Space, Crime Prevention Through Urban Design_ was written in
1972, so this topic isn't that new.  Daley's plan, what little that I know
about it, sounds like a solution that might have been cooked up in the 1950's
though.  Killing off traffic will probably increase the possibility for
crime and it will probably force the closure of a lot of businesses that
rely on through traffic, resulting in... more crime.

> 
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Christopher Alexander
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:34:42 GMT

randolph@netcom.com (Randolph Fritz) writes:

>Alexander's books sit in the hardware section of Whole Earth Access,
>the postmodern Berkeley department store, next to the construction
>codes.  Someone is buying them--I wonder who?

Brian Eno, a renowned musician, music producer and visual artist, mentioned
being profoundly inspired by Alexander's writing. I took it that he was 
applying some of the ideas on architecture to his (Eno's) own work in 
other mediums - he was talking about this a bit on KPFA when he was in 
San Francisco for an exhibit of his light sculptures back in 1988. It's
got me curious enough to maybe read some of Alexander, despite my general
lack of interest in architecture... I'm was just wandering through, about
to unsubscribe to this newsgroup when I saw the reference and it sparked
my memory. 

  - Malcolm
From: fssrk1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Help, Architect
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:46:39 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

my friend tom Hansen wants to be an one of those
kinf od people.  Please write him he would appreciate
correspondance and guidance from other students.
he is paralyzed, so please be sensitive to that.
  
  Tom Hansen
  2214 st. clair st.
  Racine, Wi   53402
From: @bnr.ca (Todd Sandrock)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Career.
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:34:35 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:40:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.115332.21371@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Ian Bygrave,
ibygrave@dcs.warwick.ac.uk writes:
>I am just finishing a computer science degree at the university of
warwick.
>I am looking towards a career in architecture, and am thinking of
studying
>overseas. Thus I would be interested to hear of any architecture courses
>which place any significance on the impact of computer-based technologies
>on the built environment. I will be visiting N.America next year and that
>would give me an opertunity to visit any campus in that area. I have not
>abandoned the idea of studying in the U.K. however. One thing that wories
>me is RIBA acreditation of any non-U.K. course, could someone clarify
>this please?
>
>Please let me know if this is in the wrong group. Any help appreciated.
>~~~~
>-Ian D. Bygrave : ibygrave@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
>                  mauah@csv.warwick.ac.uk


I believe most schools in Canada (and other parts of the Commonwealth, I
imagine) are RIBA and RAIC accredited. I guess you could call to find out.

There are schools at
the U of British Columbia          Vancouver
the U of Manitoba                  Winnipeg
the U of Toronto                   Toronto
Waterloo U                         Waterloo
Carleton U                         Ottawa
McGill                             Montreal/English
Universite de Montreal             Montreal/French
Laval                              Quebec/French
Tech Univ of Nova Scotia           Halifax?

any I've missed?

Apple computer has installed new Macintosh CADD facilities--the "Design
and Modeling Centres"--in most Canadian schools of architecture. And the
U of T Landscape department has a number of Silicon Graphics workstations.

Todd Sandrock M.Arch.
Northern Telecom Limited
Ottawa, Ontario.
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: randolph@netcom.com (Randolph Fritz)
Subject: Re: Chicago cul-de-sacs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:08:39 GMT

Ugh.  I think that's a grisly plan.

Safety has always been an influence on urban design and architecture;
the following examples come to mind:

1. Military safety was a major influence on the design of older cities
2. One of the big selling points of the old suburbs was a (claimed)
   low crime rate.
3. Jeremy Bentham, a utilitarian philosopher of the Enlightenment,
   designed panopticon, a building designed specifically for
   surveillance and used as a model for prisons, hospitals, and
   factories.

__Randolph
From: pkosidow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul G Kosidowski)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Chicago cul-de-sacs
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:16:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <1993Jan24.210839.14927@netcom.com>, by randolph@netcom.com (Randolph Fritz):
> Safety has always been an influence on urban design and architecture;
> the following examples come to mind:
> 
 Don't forget that one of the first real "city planning" efforts, Haussmann's
reworking of Paris in the mid-19th century, was motivated by among, other
things, the prevention of revolutions. The wide boulevards that were a
central feature of the plan were intended to facilitate the flow of troups
through the city if they needed to be deployed to squelch an uprising.
Paul Kosidowski
U Wisconsin Milwaukee
Modern Studies
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: ibygrave@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Bygrave)
Subject: Career
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:10:25 GMT

A while ago I posted a question about architecture degrees with an information
technology/computing slant. From the answers I've got it seems that many
architecture schools have good computing facilities and the focus for the use
of these facilities is as design tools.
I am very interested in computers as tools in many areas, including design.
But my interests also include the impact of "inteligent" and/or "autonomous"
tools on the environment, esp. the built environment. For example: how does
the posibility for inteligent services influence the design process? How does
the posibility for inteligent signage (built on a knowledge of the psychology
of navigation) impact the trafic flow problem? How can the environment better
serve its occupants, given the ability to inteligently manipulate them?
If there are any schools of architecture working on these or similar problems,
I would be very interested to hear about them.

I have been asked to post a summary of my replies, and that I will do when I
have recieved enough.

p.s. RE:crime and urban planning.
Weren't the long straight avenues of Paris designed to fire machine guns down?

~~~~
-Ian D. Bygrave : ibygrave@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
                  mauah@csv.warwick.ac.uk
"We, alone on earth, can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish
 replicators."-Richard Dawkins. The Selfish Gene
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Chicago cul-de-sacs
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1k2fk6INNf66@uwm.edu>, sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell) writes:
> From article <churayj-240193115418@morse-college-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>, by churayj@yalevm.edu (raymond Chung):
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Have you heard about Mayor Daley's plan to section off as much of Chicago
>> as he can in order to stem crime?  He wants to put up fences or concrete
>> barriers at the ends of roads to corner criminals and to stop drive-by
>> shootings, etc. Other cities have done similar things in certain areas, but
>> the Chicago plan is to cordon off the entire city into little chunks.
>> 
>> Now my question is this, is the future of urban design going to be shaped
>> by the pressures of crime?  (Or is it already, and I'm just too much an
>> amateur to know that?)
> 
> I would assume that security has always been an issue.  Oscar Newman's book
> _Defensible Space, Crime Prevention Through Urban Design_ was written in
> 1972, so this topic isn't that new.  Daley's plan, what little that I know
> about it, sounds like a solution that might have been cooked up in the 1950's
> though.  Killing off traffic will probably increase the possibility for
> crime and it will probably force the closure of a lot of businesses that
> rely on through traffic, resulting in... more crime.
> 
>> 

	I agree wholly.  The sectioning off of the city will just create
concentrations of problems, as well as 'imprisoning' some people/groups by
limiting access/exit from their 'area'.   

	The military concept was acceptable 100-200 years ago, but that was
when the most of the city was in a 3-4 mile square area.  This is 1992, and
those kind of tactics won't work.

	And I agree on the traffic difficulties.  It won't limit the problems,
it'll force them to be more mobile!

	So much for 'political' development, eh?

	Have you also noticed the change in the early '80's from low level
buildings to the increase in construction of highrise facilities?  Or is it
just me...that a 'Renessaince' occured was scared away.....

	OH well, so much for 'peace on earth'...(heh heh)...

	"I've got one word for you: Bladerunner"

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From: cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.S.Jafari-Sisi")
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: QUESTION
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

Hello Everyone
 
I wonder is there anyone who knows how to get software packages
for 3D STUDIO for student price.I am sure there must be somewhere
to buy this package in cheaper price.I apreciate anyone who could
give me some informations about it.
 
 
Thanks in Advance.
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: churayj@yalevm.edu (raymond Chung)
Subject: architecture mags
Followup-To: alt.architecture
Organization: peanut brittle college
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:41:45 GMT

I am an architecture student, and at the risk of sounding redundant, am
short on money.  However, despite my impoverishment, I occasionally buy an
issue of PA.  I think I can manage $50 or so on one subscription this year,
but before I go ahead and give PA my money, I wonder what people think are
the best magazines.  So:

What are your favorite architecture magazines and why?



                                 ? = ! > .
                              raymond  Chung
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: churayj@yalevm.edu (raymond Chung)
Subject: Chicago cul-de-sacs
Followup-To: alt.architecture
Organization: peanut brittle college
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:57:03 GMT

Hello.

Have you heard about Mayor Daley's plan to section off as much of Chicago
as he can in order to stem crime?  He wants to put up fences or concrete
barriers at the ends of roads to corner criminals and to stop drive-by
shootings, etc. Other cities have done similar things in certain areas, but
the Chicago plan is to cordon off the entire city into little chunks.

Now my question is this, is the future of urban design going to be shaped
by the pressures of crime?  (Or is it already, and I'm just too much an
amateur to know that?)



                                 ? = ! > .
                              raymond  Chung