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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:07:13 EST
From:         "Louis H. Silverstein" <SILVERS@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Text-Blocks:Boilerplate
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              18 Dec 92 11:38:04 -0600 from <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>

Re.: Boilerplates!
It took a while to figure out--but through F1 you create your Boilerplates.
Then through F2 (edit) you call up your phrase library menu which includes a
section on boilerplates--you use that to find the already created boilerplate
and merge it into your existing document.
Hope this helps some of you.
I too bewail the loss of the info command.  It really was a very useful quick
way to get instructions and aid--provided that one knew the right terminology
to use!
P.S. Happy Holidays to all of you from New Haven, Connecticut.  Louis H.
Silverstein (SILVERS@YALEVM)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:05:23 -0600
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: A bad day at the chalk-face
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Mervyn,
    1.      I too am puzzled.  I do not remember any procedure for
transferring address blocks to letters with the key sequence (or any
other) you note.  My 3.1 gives me the search sequence with those
keystrokes: F1-l(layout)-s(search)-(no "t" choice, but prompted for
the subdirectory parameters).  Which would result in a
"se [directory]*[file.names]*"
sort of search.  There is no entry for such a procedure in my manual
under "address" and I have no idea what you are talking about.

    2.      As I said, marking a block, going to the action line with
either F9 or F8, then gray+ puts the block on the action line.  Great
improvement.

    3.      You are right, it would be nice to be able to change \Lxxx\ to
\Lyyy\, leaving whatever Letter is in the L spot alone. We should ask
for this in our various communications to NBI, or whatever it will be
called.

    4.      Interesting.

By the way, this file was prepared on the machine with lingua
installed, and converted with Michael Shalev's Email.run program.
Having run the program successfully under 4.0, however, I did note a
similar, though different, odd behavior:  the file Email.run had a LS
delta added to the beginning of it, and all the command brackets were
changed into equal to or less than, and equal to or greater than
symbols.  Very odd indeed. Upon running it again, on this file, the
resulting file had 2 <<MDNM>>s  at the beginning of each line.  It
clearly needs work.


--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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From:         Glenn Everett <IVAA@UTMARTN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Deprovements
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Having bent the ears of the list readership (what is the proper metaphor
for e-mail?), I must clarify: I am not about to give up NB, and it is
certainly superior to WP--but not as much superior as it was.  That
layered list business for help is one of the things I specifically
dislike about Word Perfect.  Was the change from NB3 to NB4 partially
motivated by a desire to seem more familiar to possible WP converts?
And yes, Robert Kelly, the print-to-disk feature is a royal pain in
WP--I never did figure it out.

In the Golden World of version 3, life was idyllic, and software
engineers were truly using their might and gifts in the service of the
academic community.  But then a vision of Greater
Profit came into the midst of the Company, and it departed on a quest
for this profane Grail; and the fall of Camelot can be foreseen.
Already we have lost the Magic Dragonfly; according to the myth, we can
next expect to find that Guinevere (who can this be but Rebecca?) is
being courted by a dashing lover from foreign soil--IBM? Microsoft?

And whom do we cast as Modred?

Glenn Everett
English Dept.
University of Tennessee at Martin
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Overflows and Multiple NBs
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Paul Bodin's information on the regular overflow file is helpful and
his theory of @NBDTA.TMP seems the most plausible so far.  His suggestion
that its size may depend on printer drivers and other such configuration
was supported by this:  When I had a simple matrix printer
loaded, shelling out to dos produced a @nbdta.tmp some 32 K in size,
but with a larger laser printer driver, the file was 44 K.  I also
looked inside the file and saw saw at least those 'personal' dictionaries
I load at startup. This suggests a hypothesis that @nbdta.tmp is a buffer
for the stuff loaded in memory by nbstartup.int.  However,
@nbdta.tmp also seemed to contain some regular NB commands and
messages, which suggests that the file would be created even
if, say, nbstartup.int were empty and there were no default
printer or such (this I haven't tested though).

So far nobody has commented on the risks of running two or more NB4s
simultaneously on one computer, which was the problem that originally
made me think of @nbdta.tmp and other files.  Well, @nbdta.tmp does
not seem to pose a big practical risk here, since - even if it
has always the same, unique name - one would not shell out to
dos from even one, let alone several NBs when you can open a DOS window
directly from DesqView or other such multitasking environment or program
carousel. (I did test it, however, and both copies of NB
crashed upon Exit. So it is a real risk.)

The regular *.tmp files aren't a risk either because they seem to have random
names and the chances of a collision are very small (provided there is
enough space on the overflow drive); and I wouldn't be surprised if
there were a check that the filename isn't used already.

It is the other system files that I'm more worried about, and
haven't tested yet.  And of course ALL THOSE TERRIBLE THINGS
that I don't even have name for yet.

Those risks notwithstanding, it IS tempting to use another NB
copy for memory intensive and crash-risky jobs, such as lookups
in the present Orbis.

j-p takala
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From:         Michael Dick <DICK@SIENA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: real words
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Are we going to have a paternity suit about DEPROVEMENTS. I will, as the proud
father, contribute any DNA needed to establish fatherhood beyond a doubt.
        In the hopes that this child will be easier to raise than my
teenager....felicitations.
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: copying to action line
Comments: cc: "Itamar Even-Zohar" <B10@VM.TAU.AC.IL>
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              Dec 16, 92 10:04 am

Well,

I've checked and we're all correct. It works if there're letters and I
presume numbers and other characters; but will not work with a string
consisting of just hard spaces.

V. 3 can copy a string consisting of only hard spaces to the command
line.

V. 4 cannot.

Not good. I've lost track a bit - is someone sending a list to NBI?
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:45:42 -0600
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: A bad day at the chalk-face
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No quick fix on any of Mervyn's problems (I should be grading blue books
instead of reading mail, but . . . ), however, as for No. 2, on both of
my systems, lingua and not, transferring a marked block to the action
line with gray+ does work, catagorically, every time, no problems.
This, I know, doesn't help Mervyn, but just makes the problem more
machine/version/installation specific.
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:38:04 -0600
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Text-Blocks:Boilerplate
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To try to answer Mervyn's questions:
	1.	I figured it out by a. reading the Merging Text-block
files entry in the 3.0 manual.  There they discussed the topic in the
context of "'boilerplate' articles (or clauses)" and I thus assumed that
the boiler subdirectory might have something to do with it all.  I haven't
figured it all out yet (I haven't tried to make a .bpl file from the
Create choice in the Style menu, for instance.)  I knew about the extention
from the set-Other-File/ (this from memory - the menus ought to clarify it)
because 4.0 doesn't seem to be able to find my .run files inthe xpl sub-
directory and I've tried to reset that location to get it to work (it sill
(that's "still") hasn't - goes to the last entry in my path statement, then
says it can't find the file in that last place (presumably after having looked
at all the other places in my path, but never in nb4/xpl - go figure.
	Then b.	making a test.bpl file, putting it in the boiler sub-
directory, and trying it out.  It works fine.
	2.  As far as I can figure out, the .bpl files ought to all
be kept in the same place.  You can change that place (see the set-files
etc. sequence above), but once changed, that's were the program looks for
the files.  You could have different setups loaded in different batch
files for different uses, but I haven't tried other tricks in this area
(like having the .bpl files inthe current directory - I expect it wouldn't
work, but I don't know.)

--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 92 07:45:59 IST
From:         ronald zweig <ron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      hardening counters
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Some time ago I wrote a very elementary XPL routine for hardening
counters. It lacks all the sophistication of dealing with multiple sorts
of counters, but it does do the job. More experienced xpl'ers might make
better use of the algorithm. I sent it to Gerald Schlabach (does it work
for you, Gerald?) but as interest persists in the counter problem, I offer
it to the world. It is in XXE format, in arc mode (it's that old). There
are three different routines here - I was playing with different output
possibilities. COUNTER.RN is the basic program.

Hope this helps someone.

Ron Zweig

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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History,
              Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Laser Twin 5.0, NB4, and the moon
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Hugh Agnew asks if Laser Twin 5.0 works with Lingua.  I don't normally use
Lingua, but I don't have to in order to give you the answer that Lingua's
Hebrew, Cyrillic, and Greek characters are not scalable and work with the
10, 12, and 14 point fonts provided by NB/Lingua (eventually 11 point, too).

Mark D. Szuchman, History, FIU
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From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Ibid Problem
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I've just talked to the redoubtable [I've blanked on her name - typical]
from NBI, who is down in {wherever they are moving - My name recall is
acting up big=time - It must be from reading too many blue books} doing
NB problem solving and learning XyWrite problem solving.  She says that
the problem I described (no instructions on the bottom of the Add window
in ibid) is one that is known, and will be fixed soon, and in the meantime,
goes away as soon as one begins typing in any of the fields.
	She also told me, to pass on to the list, that Mervyn's problem,
of F5 resulting in multiple entrys, is also know, a recognized bug,
can be solved, temporarly by going into the file and erase all the earlier
entries (thats "erasing").  Later, or soon, will come a fix for that as
well.  The responce time (after leaving a message with the 800 number)
is much shorter now (I got a call back in about 1.5 hours).  At least that
part of the system is improving.
	(Rebecca? in the brackets, above)

--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:43:56 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Deprovements

>I wish I could convince my wife to
>move over from NB3 so that I could reclaim that disk space! She says she needs
>a version that she can work on with SoftwareBridge for workplace conversions.
>        Michael Dick
>        DICK@SIENA

Perhaps you could persuade her to use F1-File-Export to NB3/XyWrite III+
when she stores NB4 files?

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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Subject:      Bugs List?
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After having worked with NB4 for several months now, many of us must
now have come up with all the (special, new) quirks and bugs, some of
which have been discussed in this forum. Ideally, some extra-ordinary
person (i.e. someone who is not too busy doing her/his own work) might
have kept track of all the "official" bugs (that is, not those pseudo-
bugs all of us 'find' once in a while, but they can't be repeated, so
we have made a mistake ourselves). In sum, is there something like a
certified Bugs List for NB4 already? Would also be handy to hand to NBI.
If not, would someone be crazy enough to page through the backlogs to
make such a list and henceforth keep track of new bugs?

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:38:40 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar" <itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Deprovements
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Why can't your wife buy another computer? Should wives be
dependent on the whims of their husbands?
Itamar E-Z
(himself a husband)

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992, Dorothy Day wrote:

>
> >I wish I could convince my wife to
> >move over from NB3 so that I could reclaim that disk space! She says she
 needs
> >a version that she can work on with SoftwareBridge for workplace conversions.
> >        Michael Dick
> >        DICK@SIENA
>
> Perhaps you could persuade her to use F1-File-Export to NB3/XyWrite III+
> when she stores NB4 files?
>
> Dorothy Day, Indiana University
> Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
> Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
From: shelley.posen@synapse.org (Shelley Posen) 
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Subject: NEC 95 PostScript
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:12:00 GMT
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TO: NOTABENE@TAUNIVM
FROM: Shelley.Posen@synapse.org
DATE: 14 Dec 1992

To Phil Boardman, re using NEC 95 and PostScript with Nota Bene 4.0 --

I load the NEC Silentwriter 890 driver to access the resident PostScript

fonts in my NEC95. Works beautifully.

Unfortunately (unless I misunderstood NBI during my latest palaver with
them), NB4 can't install and deploy non-resident (soft) PostScript
fonts.
NB4's laser printer eggs all seem to have been put into an HP basket.

Even knowing this, I've been unable to print anything but the plain
vanilla
HP internal fonts with NB4. I've got Garamond and Caslon waiting in my
NB4/FONT subdirectory, and I've installed them so they appear when I
fiddle
with the font switching menus. But can I actually get them to work in a
document? I can not. If anyone has mastered the procedure, I'd much
appreciate hearing about it. Step-by-step, please, to the end: telling
me
just to "follow the menus from there" doesn't seem to work for me.
                   
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:56:01 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar" <itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
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Re: OS2

There must be some list for OS2, where OS2 problems can be discussed.
In addition, on JPSOFT there are discussions of 4OS2, the equivalent
of 4DOS.

Itamar

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From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
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There have lately been complaints, which I share, about the way Autoreplace
mode has been messed up by the change to NB4.  There is quite an early limit
on the length of an expansion string, and no CRs can be included in a
string: if they are, the computer hangs. I have devised a solution
that, I think, circumvents these problems.  As the description of it
is fairly intricate, I will not publicly impose it on the list.  But,
if anyone cares to write to me privately, I will gladly send it.
You must have one of the decoding programs and UNZIP to be able to
read it.

Tony Woozley
cad2m@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:42:54 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hardening counters
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On Sun, 13 Dec 92 07:45:59 IST ronald zweig said:
>
>Some time ago I wrote a very elementary XPL routine for hardening
>counters. It lacks all the sophistication of dealing with multiple sorts
>of counters, but it does do the job. More experienced xpl'ers might make
>better use of the algorithm. I sent it to Gerald Schlabach (does it work
>for you, Gerald?) ...

The program works, but I'm afraid I have far too demanding of a client.*
The hope is to be able to go through a multi-layer outline and not only
change one series of counters, but different series, with roman numerals,
letters, etc.

So I'm still looking for the program that will do this.  Since I may not
find it, let me change the question.   I can conceive of how to write the
program myself *if* one piece of XPL programming information is available.

Does anyone know whether there is a way to pick up the value of the latest
counter at any particular point in a file.  I.e. is there a <<VA@xx>> or
<<VA$xx>> code that would reveal the deep dark secrets of NB's workings
in a way that would help?  If so, it would be quite easy to write the program
I am dreaming of.

BTW, I am still in the world of NB 3.x.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539

*It occurs to me that I should clarify that this is figurative language.
I am not using the forum for profit!  The "client" in question is my
father, another NB user, but at a college that does not enjoy the
blessings of internet.  He's been asking Dragonfly/NBI for a feature
for hardening counters for years, and I thought I might come up with this
as a xmas present.  But I suppose Santa Claus uses WordPerfect -- all
those large-scale operations do.
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> I meant to send some material to J-P Takkala... sorry for making it so
> public! But if they're any use to anyone, it's the separators from
> \nb3\custom.set.
>
> Cheers all.
>  ---------------
>  Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
>  Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
>  Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.

No need to apologize.  I sometimes feel that I'm the only member on the
list who has recently migrated to NB (am I?) from WP (no jeering,
please), and, of course, don't own a copy of NB 3.x.  Which brings me to
another point.  I've heard that there's a list of action-line commands
in the Quick Reference and Customization Guide (or something like that).
Well, when I received my package, I received a Quick Reference Guide and
a Quick Customization Guide, but nothing like a combination of the two.
In other words, the only place I can find a list of the commands is at
the back of the former which directs me to another page.  Like the rest
of you, I haven't got a manual for NB4.  Unlike the rest of you, I don't
even have a manual for NB 3.x, despite my pleas that "an old manual is
better than none at all" when I initially ordered NB4. To the point:
any ideas where I can get a list of the various commands that include a
brief description of what they do.  The problem with the list at the
back of the QRefG is that it assumes prior knowledge of NB, which, alas,
I do not possess.

Paul Caron                              G9026163@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ont.
CANADA
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