HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: maturity
From: JED <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:21:26 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <3609@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, brust@i5120q.nrl.navy.mil (Joe Brust) says:
>
>This "I'm leaving the net because I can't take all the FYA, racist, flame war,
>etc. crap" is, IMHO, a totally useless surrender.

I see it as a plea for attention, and a selfish surrender.  If you really
don't want to be part of the net anymore, why post to everybody and say
goodbye?  It's like you want us to sit here, and reminisce (sp?) on the days
when XXXXX was on the net, and how good it was then.  I feel more of a loss
for a lurker who posts saying he is loosing net.access because he is
graduating, than I do for somebody who posts saying they are leaving because
the net is shit these days, and not like when (s)he first started here.

To leave because the quality of virtual life here is not like it was years
ago is selfish as I see it.  If your brother and sister were to acquire a
drug addiction, would you quit your family?  Or, more like this situation
here, would you wait til Christmas, get your presents, then leave the family?

I agree that things around here lately have gone down the tubes.  Rarely do
I see a posting these days that really makes me laugh.  I pretty much skim
through everything, and comment on things when I feel the need.  I think that
by posting, negatively, saying that you are leaving for this reason, just
shows how you are willing to leave the friends you made here.  "Yeah, I'll
hang out here, with you while the going is good, but when the going gets
tough, I'm gonna pack up my toys and leave.  I'm not going to help you
maintain this space, just enjoy in it's pleasures when pleasures are to be
had."  They are the kind of friends I need?

Remember the Freddie Krueger movies, and how they beat Freddie?  They just
stopped giving any energy towards Freddie :-).  I think the FYA thread was
mostly caused by the crossposting to other newsgroups.  As I was skimming
through replies, I noticed that most of those folks I didn't know.  Maybe if
we as a whole, would adopt a group policy of no flames (publicly) the place
would be a lot better?  But then those of us who know what is 'correct'
wouldn't be able to show everybody else how much they know, by putting down
those who don't know what is 'correct', huh?

Joe Doheny
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From: Marc Rouleau <mer6g@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: About these forgeries...
Reply-To: mer6g@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:05:56 GMT

It appears that the postings from JGARCIA, God, Satan, and the 2 bogus
Gans postings have originated from seas.smu.edu.  I have already sent
a complaint to the postmaster at that site asking them to take the
appropriate action.

  -- Marc

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From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re: From the vaults
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:13:43 GMT

 korwandr@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (DAN Korwan) asks:

|>I always thought that 5/8/77 was a shoe-in. 
        I don't understand why everyone loves this show so much.  

because they were told to!  i always thought that 5/9 was the
better of the two.  better yet, 12/11/79!

never forget riding in Daryl`s VW Microbus from Columbia in the
snow to catch this show in the middle of finals week. (that ought
to give some folks an idea of my age)  one of the best shows ever!
or was it the acid?  Thanks again to Randy Louk for the ticket.
you out there Randy?

Steve-TOO
not a Harris!

"half a mile from Tucson by the morning light..."
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From: jalapeno@leland.Stanford.EDU (J. Bradley Materick)
Subject: In search of U2 Zoo Station promo disc (Please Help!)
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:39:15 GMT

Hello All!

Forgive me if this post seems out of place, but I am posting this message to
many different newsgroups in hopes of a positive response.

I am looking fo a rare U2 single, a DJ/collectors white vinyl 12" single of
Zoo Station.  The single contains 3 songs:

			Zoo Station
			Lady with the Spinning Head
			Zoo Station (UV1 remix)

If you have this single, know someone who has it, or have seen the single
anywhere (I think it was released only in the U.K.), PLEASE respond to me
personally via e-mail (as I probably do not regularly read this newsgroup)
at the following address:

			jalapeno@leland.stanford.edu

ANY information on the whereabouts of this single, no matter how insignificant
it may seem, will be GREATLY appreciated.

Taanx in advance,
Jalapeno

-- 
J. Bradley Materick
jalapeno@leland.stanford.edu
P.O. Box 14707 Stanford CA, 94309
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From: pmc@world.std.com (Patrick M Chase)
Subject: Re: So Far...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: rec.music.gdead
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:17:38 GMT

In article <BuBt6v.6n@news.udel.edu> dback@chopin.udel.edu (Daniel B Louderback) writes:
>Does anyone know if the So Far video was recorded live, or were any portions
>recorded live?  When & where?

I'm sure that someone will post the correct venue and date(s) (I can't
remember off the top of my head), but I wanted to mention that the 'cut'
from the empty venue at the beginning to a live show occurs toward the end
of Playing. I don't recall if it was after the jam or not, but it's pretty
obvious while you watch it.

If I recall right, Garcia had a big hand in the digital effects and mastering.
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Re:  GRATEFUL DEAD DEFINITION
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:23:21 GMT

Previously, "Jeff" writes:
> GRATEFUL DEAD- The motif of a cycle of folk tales which begin with the 
> hero's coming upon a group of people ill- treating or refusing to bury 
> the corpse of a man who had died without paying his debts. He gives his 
> last penny, either to pay the man's debts or to give him a decent burial. 
> Within a few hours, he meets with a traveling companion who aids him in 
> some impossible task, gets him a fortune, saves his life, etc. the story 
> ends with the companion's disclosing himself as the man whose corpse the 
> other had befriended.

I (and millions of others) have this exact--or very close--definition
on those white 25th Anniversary T-shirts.  The front looks like a compass
map or old atlas of the world, with astrological references on it and 
a big SYF in the middle.  The definition is at the bottom.  The back of 
the shirt sez "Grateful Dead 25 Years" or something like that.
     
> From Funk and Wagnals New Practical Standard dictionary of the English 
> Language, Britannica World Language Edition, Volume One, 1955. The 
> Grateful Dead- then called the worlocks- took their name from this 
> dictonary in 1965. .
>     Just some fun tidbits. -Jeff

Indeed.

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From: jbravem@helix.nih.gov (Joshua Braveman)
Subject: Re: Pathetic
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.121937.28539@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>ODC: Playin in the Band sure sucked back in 71 before they started adding
>the long spacey jam at the end....
>
>-rob
>
>(just got a new 71 tape with the dreaded Playin Loser combo on it, case
>ya cant tell. two tunes that stank the place up in 71 but are cool now)
>
Just out ofosity, does anyone know when the first extended *playin'*
occured?  Might it have been late '71?  Just wondering.

Josh Braveman

PS.  Please forgive any text mangling as I am just learning this editor.
>


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From: dsle@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.lerner)
Subject: Free Starship Show in the Park!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:25:14 GMT
Keywords: Be-In

Heard the most wonderful news this morning on the radio. WXRK-FM (K-ROCK)
is sponsoring their 1st annual Be-In at Central Park on October 4th (Sun)
with special guests Richie Havens, Roger McGuinn and Jefferson Starship, the
Next Generation!!!!!!

Come early for the festivities, I will. Last Feb, Paul said he'd play the park
this summer. So he was off by 2 months, no problem.

Hope the weather is decent by the time Starship comes on. Let's have a net-head
gathering. Put together some blankets, chairs, beer bubbles, etc. 


It ain't the Dead but it's Paul, PJ, Jack and crew. Should be a good party.



Dave
From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Who ARE those bears?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 22:17:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Bears Against Drugs are indeed BAD bears, because without drugs we wouldnt
be able to subdue those wild creatures and study them and help to preserve 
their existence in this fragile world, however, that aside, when I first saw the BAD
stickers with those oh-so-solemn lookin' bears on 'em, I immediately thought,
hmmmm, wouldn't it be amusing to modify our own dancing bears stickers and have
them be the Bears For Drugs, took me a little while but I then also realized 
that this would give us the hilariously appropriate acronym,  BFD!!! :-) :-) :-)
Hopefully some of you are as amused by the thought as I was...cya,
eric n

p.s. for the acronym-impaired, BFD  := Big F*cking Deal
-- 
It left a smoking crater of my mind I'd like to blown away
From: CSGARDNER@gallua.bitnet.bitnet
Subject: bad dream!
Reply-To: CSGARDNER@gallua.bitnet.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:19:00 GMT


Yo! Hugo! Wake up man! (shake shake). It's all a bad dream dude! Your're
here, educated, in America 1992, not Nazi Germany '41. Hey! Hugo! Wake up
man!

Whew! That's better. You were rantin' and a ravin' like some rabid dog.
Musta been all this election year hysteria Pat Buchannanizing your bad dream
nerves. Still, you gotta be careful. Keep your head. Hell, how do you expect
to get gainful employ among truly intellegent people foamin at that mouth
like that with your only other option, Joseph Mengele, bein' dead and all.

Take it from me, being other than a straight, white, male in America can be
aggrivating at least, traumatizing at worst, and I'm sure you've had no easy
route yourself, but unless you get back in touch with the glory of yourself as
well as others, something you knew natally, but were taught otherwise hatefully,
   then all the MD, PhD, ABC, and XYZ in the world will make you an intelligent
person.

Love anyway,
Cherisse, one damned intelligent Black Woman if I do say so myself.
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: What newsfroup are we in anyway??
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:52:54 GMT

okay, rob:
happy birthday, pigpen

get well, jerry: try volleyball for exercise, much less boring than
weight lifting or running.

lara

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: PRRICE@miamiu.bitnet
Subject: NOT Fuck You, NOT a forgery, NOT Donna sucks.....
Reply-To: PRRICE@miamiu.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:35:39 GMT

And now for womething completely different. People were talking ( yelling,
flaming.... ) about concert noise a while back. I've been to a couple of
 non-Dead shows recently, and the crowd was much ruder than any Dead  show
I've ever seen. Neil Young was just in Dayton for a solo acoustic show.
People weere gabbing the entire time. Or yelling out "Southern Man" at the
top of their lungs. Once, during a new piano tune, a quiet love ballad,
some idiot howled like a dog. Not so bad, but others picked up on it and
the place sounded like a kennel. He had to stop, went over to his guitars.
Said " you gotta be careful with those teenagers, you sing something sensitive
  and they go WOOOOAAAAAAHHHHHH, it's that macho thing." All in all a very
nice two hour show from a great artist. So don't get hypercritical about
the boys and/or the atmosphere at the shows. It's still the best circus in
town!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Fuck You
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 19:25:34 GMT

In article <10176@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In article 65327@cup.portal.com, Jeff_R_Spangenberg@cup.portal.com () wr
tes:
>>Vote for Jesse Jackson in 1992... He'll give us a REAL reason to 
>>HATE THE FUCKING NIGGERS!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>FUCK YOU ALL!!
>
>I say. What an odd distribution list. What a strange person.
>
Well, he *is* from cup.portal.com.  I don't recall ever seeing one of them
with all their oars in the water.  Personally, though, I think he left his
terminal untended.

Big Al.  Stating the obvious.
From: wilson@MML.NCSL.NIST.GOV (Ron Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: tappers section & soundboard?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:42:35 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)

Hi Netters,

I have a couple of simple questions.  Can someone tell me how the tappers 
section works?  And what is a soundboard?

Thanx,

Ron Wilson  (wilson@mml.ncsl.nist.gov)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 19:59:10 MST
From: <AUDPH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tape_ID

I did a follow up just so you don't get tons of mail, and I don't have
everything from all shows, so with a DeadBase, here's the best I could do.
Hard to Handle could be from any of the shows (4/25->29/71)
Dark Star Through NFA is 4/28/71 end of set 2
Sugar mag could be from any of the days except 4/26 (with Duane)
Sugar Mag thru BIODTL is from 4/26/71 set II opener
Midnight Hour is the 2nd encore from 4/29/71
Good Lovin could be 4/25, 26?
Alligator thru GDTR is from 4/29/71 set II
China Rider could be from any except 4/28
Uncle John, Lovelight from 4/27/71 end set 2
Hurts until end from 4/29/71 set 1.


Hope this helps...
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From: lw24lag@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (peter lavallee)
Subject: Re: Deadbase and Setlists
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10422]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.192115.16404@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> dalton@mtl.mit.edu writes:
>
>just a word for all those wondering about tapes that are not in deadbase,
>or don't match it exacly...just remember, its just a book,
>and like other books, it MAY BE WRONG.  Deadbase is a very good guide,
>but don't allways go by it.  It does contain some errors and omissions....
>
>	Tim




Still the best and most handy promptuary in this household.  However, 
our DB IV needs to be updated.  I just spoke with Ken Hays (Terrapin
Tapes), and he's out of DB V.  Does anyone know where I can get a copy?
I guess we can wait for VI, but V would help bridge the gap.

pjl


--
Peter J. Lavallee		: "Live free or die."
lw24lag@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu	:          -- Major Gen. John Stark
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From: les@chopin.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Subject: Re: Sittin In The Middle Of A Cosmic Gameshow
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.155058.1735@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>p.s. the answer to the "HEIR TO THE GRATEFUL DEAD" question escaped me before,
>but now its clear, when the Dead stop to take a break in a CENTURY or so, 
>we will be inundated with Grateful Dead impersonators! Of course, we saw one
>of the first here just hours ago, the first of a long line of Jerry Garcia
>imitators. 
>
I don't know...I think the *REAL* question is who's going to take over from
Mr. "Chairman of the Board" Sinatra whenever he's ready to pass the torch...

"I'm as helpleeeesss as a kitten up a treeeee...
 I get misty...holding your haaaaaaand..."

Sing it Bobby!  Yow!

:^)
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Lyrics to Latest Songs
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:43:29 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


     I was asked by a friend to get him the lyrics to:
Way To Go Home, Corrina, The Same Thing, So Many Roads.
     I know they have probably been up before, and I should have got them 
then, but I did not desire them until now. Could someone please E-mail 
them to me or post them. Sorry and Thanks in advance.

==========================================================================
** Mail to: Augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us        <<<Tower of Zot>>> Bflo, NY   **
** The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began!              **
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Fennario/Peggy-O
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:13:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <8395@orbit.cts.com> klp@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kevin Prigge) writes:

>mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>>of Peggy-O.  I always thot that if any place is Fennario,
>>it's Minnesota, not because it's Nowhere, but because it's
>>Dire Wolf country.  There may be others.

>So they were sailing into Duluth? :-)

:-)

Seriously, if anyone is interested in an unusual perspective on this
(and I hope this hasn't been mentioned TOO many times before--I only
browse this newsgroup), check out a book called _Brokedown Palace_, by
science fiction writer (and part-time rock'n'roll drummer) Stephen
Brust.  The book is set in Fenario.  Which seems to be (in the book, at
least) near Hungary.

(Interesting side comment:  Brust lives in Minnesota, I believe.)  :-)
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
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From: Jeff Althoff <jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu>
Subject: What NIST stands for
Reply-To: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:47:06 GMT

Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com> asks
| 
| just what is the NIST anyway? some supersecret covert spy agency
| George and Dan made up to check up on Deadheads?
| 
  
  NIST == "National Institute of Standards and Technology"

  formerly the National Bureau of Standards. Hardly supersecret.
  Don't know if they're spying on deadheads or not, though....

  Hitchin' on a twilight train,
  Jeff A.

-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: rdr@attics.rn.com (Dean Riddlebarger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: YTD setlists request...
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:06:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ameritech Information Systems

Can someone either send me or point me to the YTD setlists for '92?
Got access to a handful of unlabeled tapes and, alas, haven't the time
to listen through them right now.....

   
<*>  Dean Riddlebarger                   Once in a while              <*>
<*>  Ameritech Information Systems        You get shown the light,    <*>
<*>  rdr@attics.rn.com                   In the strangest of places   <*>
<*>  317-488-3067 (w)                     If you look at it right.    <*>
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From: HUDDLESTONJG@vax1.bham.ac.uk
Subject: subscribe Huddlejg@Bham.AC.UK
Reply-To: HUDDLESTONJG@vax1.bham.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:30:48 GMT

subscribe HuddleJG@Bham.AC.UK
from Jon Huddleston Birmingham University England
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From: johnb@stat.orst.edu (John Bainbridge)
Subject: Morning Dew
Originator: johnb@fisher
Organization: Oregon State University - Statistics Dept
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:40:55 GMT

Ok it's history time kids.  If you look at your "Grateful Dead"
(with classics like "good morning little school girl") you will
notice that morning dew is credited to Dobson-Rose. The story is
that (and I forget who is who) one of them first wrote it (I think
dobson) and she in her naivite sold ALL the rights to Rose who
made minor changes to the orignal song.  So even though she wrote 
it legally he's the author (ain't amerika great?!). As an aside its
been recorded by various musicians including Jeff Beck and Group
Therapy (a group I'm sure none of you have heard of; they cite
dobson as the author by the ways).

If anyone remembers the specifics please correct any inaccuracys. ;)


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From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: net lameness
Summary: an alternative
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.145034.21142@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> METZ@vtvm2.bitnet writes:

>The idea to exit the
>net myself is negated only by the few things of real value I find
>over the net--if I could get them elsewhere, I would do so. But, for
>me "False alarm's the only game in town."

You might want to consider joining the Well, where we have several
"conferences" devoted to GD and Deadhead matters.  There are several
groups devoted just to tape trading, one for "Dead literature," another
for ticket issues, and some general chatter, plus a conference for the
Grateful Dead Hour where we talk about the program and how to get it on
the air in your town.

If you're on the Internet you can telnet to the Well, avoiding all phone
charges.  The cost is $15 per month and $2 per hour for connect time 
(measured by the minute, not rounded off in one-hour increments).

I am the host of several Dead-related conferences (and others), but I
do not have any financial interest in the Well - nor would I benefit 
in any direct way from your joining.

I offer it as an alternative because the net has become virtually unusable.
For more information, email support@well.sf.ca.us or call 415:332-4335
during regular business hours (Pacific time).

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf

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