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From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:47:17 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, ralph@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Ralph Smith) writes:
>That makes ME wonder ... How did Howard ever get that bike rolling on the
>salt flats?

    He had a rope to tow him up to 60 mph.  The pedals wouldn't turn
over at slower speeds.  At 60 he probably had 40-50 rpm.

Tim Smith
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wincanton Classic results
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:32:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Too bad that the TV coverage didn't include glorious technicolor of Rayner
throwing up his breakfast.

-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: Crank Lenght Question
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:12:05 GMT

In article <2305@unet.UUCP> ddozier@daled.net.com (Dale Dozier) writes:
>
>
>   How long should your cranks be? My inseam is 30' and I ride

This sounds like a personal question to me. Sorry....I couldn't resist.


      
Mike Thompson                 |    It's true, forgiveness IS easier
(801) 594-4560                |    to get than permission. ;-) 
unislc!miket                  |              -----------
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com   |    My employer is profoundly grateful
                              |    that I speak only for myself.
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:24:36 GMT

In <33!n+gf.tomk@netcom.com>
   tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

> I have _yet_ to see someone experienced on a bicycle come back from
> a test ride on a bike with dual pivots that hasn't said almost
> the same thing, "You have to _really_ watch those brakes!"

I think something like this is going on:
(yes--the numbers are totally made up, let's call it "art")

0         25%       50%       75%      100% braking effectiveness
|---------|---------|---------|---------|
        a.........b.....c                        older-brakes
            A......B.......C                     dual-pivot brakes

older brakes have stronger springs, initial braking (a) is weak,
eventually gets stronger (b), then hits (c) which is still far
less than available

dual-pivot brakes springs feel lighter, initial contact (A) is
firm, more certain, so earlier braking force is higher, braking
force becomes stronger again due to less resistance (B), then final
braking force is higher because added confidence that "these
brakes work better" suggests use of stronger grip on lever (C)

Ultimately, effective braking is a function of how high
up the scale I can move (C) - my final braking point (i.e. how
comfortable am I with the rear wheel off the ground -- not very)
and how quickly I can move from (A) to (C).

By the way, I have Ultegra STI levers and Dura-Ace single-pivot
brakes and I think they feel great, but they don't stop any faster
than my Universal-Extra sidepulls and Weinmann levers or my
Campy Record brakes and Dia-Compe AGC-251 levers.

Alex                               If the DISCLAIMER fits,
amiller@almaden.ibm.com            then skid on it.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: JADP (just another data point) on tires
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:57:50 GMT

I haven't had a puncture in at least one year.  [im]Pertinent info is:

175 lbs; 60cm bike; Mavic O4 (anodized), 14/15/14 32 spoke Ultegra 7 sp
(BTW, mail order from Colorado Cyclist, front is still perfectly true, rear
only needed 1 spoke tightened once), Conti GP foldable (=> kevlar bead)
700x20, inflated to 130-135 psi, latex tube, Velox rim strip, never had a
blow off; approx 4,000 miles in last 12 months.  I think I'm on my second
rear tire, and just ordered a replacement for my (original front tire), from
Excel for about $27.00 each (2 for girlfriend).

And we have some pretty junky roads here on the Jersey Shore.

I used to get flats, but once I went to a latex tube and the Velox (was
Michelin plastic) rim strip, I just don't worry about it.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:10:26 GMT

eugene@ksr.com (Eugene Yi-jen Pan) writes:



Huh?  How was my statment above sensationalist or holier than thou?  Whats your
problem?  If you want to deal in facts (which I doubt given your attitude) it
is very true that most serious head injuries involving bicyclists could have
been prevented or dramatically lessened had the person been wearing a helmet.
I don't particularly care whether you wear one or not.  But I still like to
hear about it when people saved themselves from a concussion or worse due
to a helmet.  I have one of those stories myself.  If you don`t like it then
don't read it.
-Terry
>> Personally I enjoy reading about how peoples helmets saved them from injury.
>> It makes me feel good.  Why do you feel compelled to criticize them?
>> -Terry

>In article <6034@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313) writes:
>> 
>> Helmetless bikers = organ donors (hope you carry your donor card when you ride).
>> 

>Because of bullshit, holier than thou, sensational statements like this one.
>If people want to wear helmets, fine.  Just don't preach the total bullshit.
>How many bicycle deaths are there a year?  How many helmetless bicyclists?  I
>would guess many orders of magnitude difference.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mfaison@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Michele Faison)
Subject: Re: Numbness in me feet
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:43:24 GMT

kowal@bcarhd1.bnr.ca  writes:
> 
> To go off on a new branch of questioning:  has anyone here who requires
> orthotics for flat feet found a good clipless shoe?  Perhaps the New Balance?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice,
> 
> -Andrew
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> J. Andrew Kowal | These are my opinions,|Q:  What did the Buddhist say to the
>    613/763-3350 | not necessarily BNR's.|    hot dog vendor?
>    kowal@bnr.ca |-----------------------|A:  Make me one with everything.

	I am quite happy (ecstatic?  I generally find ALL shoes
uncomfortable) with Avia's clipless shoe and my orthotics.
(The Performance model also accomodates them, but the shoes seem a
bit wide).  Unfortunately, Avia discontinued the '91 model, and
I don't even know if there was ever a similar style for men.  After
much phoning around (Avia's toll-free number is 800-345-2842).
I located a store in Seattle who was closing out the style and
who had my size.  Now I have a pair and a spare!
	Unfortunately, I lost the name and telephone
number for the store, and there was no indication of a return
address or packing slip enclosed in the box when I received my
order. (The person who answered the Avia phone has this
info--she was quite helpful.)
	THE GOOD NEWS:  The person I spoke with at Avia said they
were coming out with a new clipless model for late '92 or '93.  I'll
definitely give them a try.

Hope this helps!

Michele Faison
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:40:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


*    I need to put a rack in the bed of my truck (Mazda B2200 pickup) and I'm
*    looking for opinions as to which ones work well. The 2 I've looked at are
*    the Road Gear which is just a fork mount with quick-releases that clamps
*    onto the lip of the truck bed (about $35) and one from Cannondale which
*    is a bar that pressure mounts across the bed and has fork mounts along
*    it (about $85 but comes with 2 fork mounts).

Why not forget the rack and use motorcycle tie downs?  They are the 
cheapest solution.  There is nothing left in the bed when the bikes
aren't there.  You don't have to remove the front wheels.  You can
get cheap ones for around $10 a set.  You can fit up to 3 bikes in most
trucks.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:02:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug16.020245.14783
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Several times people have aked about suggestions for touring bikes.
I have seen a few more brands and will list them below:

o Brands of touring bikes I think I mentioned
	Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Miyata, Bridgetstone (Rb-T)
	(actually, I don't think the Specialized should really count)

o Other brands I've recently spotted which are still made:  
	Univega:  Several Univega cross bikes have front fork
	low-rider braze-on points and I think they also have a "true"
	touring bike
	-Terry.  Today I saw a Terry bike which had a triple
		chainring, rack mounting points, bar-end shifters
		and a reasonably relaxed frame.  However it had 
		sidepull brakes instead of cantilevers.  I think it
		had space for fenders, but I'm not sure if the sidepulls
		were long -reach or not.
	-Giant:  They have one with bottles, cages,fenders,
		genderator, lights, and racks included.  Similar
		to Specialized Sequoia, except that the 1992 Sequoia
		now has a drop bar instead of a flat bar like the Giant.
	-Nashbar

-Case
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Camelback H2O holders
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:09:20 GMT

In article <161ic0INNme@wave9.hal.COM> stevew@hal.COM (Steve Williams) writes:
>color.  I've got a fully-insulated white one.  From the recent ads
>in bike mags, it looks as though they may soon be available in your
>favorite fashion colors as well.   :-)

I got that impression from the ad too.  Has anyone seen one in color
yet?

cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wismer@cfruni51.bitnet (Daniel Wismer)
Subject: Bike shops in Chicago
Organization: University of Fribourg - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:08:33 GMT


I'll be in Chicago, IL for the last two weeks of September.
I would like to buy a racing bike there, I have the Cannondale R700
or R800 in mind.
Would someone send me a list of the best two or three bike stores in
the area ?  ('Best' means good selection, helpful people, reasonable
prices but no after-sale service is needed).

Thank your for your help.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:53:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.144724.26157@athena.mit.edu>
aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
 
>     [...]
>I just want to say this: In most European countries, gasoline prices
>are on the order of 3-4 times as expensive as they are in the U.S.
>Part of this is due to much higher national (read "federal") taxes on
>gasoline.
Not part, all. But Europeans generally commute much shorter distances
then we Murcans.
>
>The European experience may not be directly applicable to the U.S.,
>but I don't think inflation and unemployment are running rampant in
>Europe.  Also, while this may not be directly related, my experience
 
The overall economic position is currently worse in Europe than in the
US owing mainly to costs associated with the newly freed Germans et al.
The European stock markets have lost a *lot* of value lately. Particularly
in Italy.
 
>shows that generally speaking European countries do a much better job
>at public transportation and bicycle access than is done in the U.S.
 
Not really. They just spend more ;-). Public transportation requires huge
subsidies. Public transport of US type distances requires even bigger
subsidies. We've built our lifestyles around having cheap personal transport.
Adopting European methods would not be easy.
 
A quick survey of my coworkers indicates one-way commmute distances of from
10 to 60 miles (!) In some European countries a 60-mile commute would be
considered emigration ;-)            --mike
From: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Torque values
Summary: How tight?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

If anyone has their Sutherland's handy:::

What torque values are used on crank bolts of the cotterless variety?

Any difference between bolts, such as Dura Ace or Campagnolo and nuts, such
as on Shimano lower-end stuff like Exage?

Thanks,
		Tim Sullivan (sulli_t@cs.unr.edu)
From: ericp@vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Archives
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:49:10 GMT

Does any site archive the rec.bicycles postings? I probably won't have
read access to the new reorged newsgroups, but can do FTP.
Thanks,
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
From: ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Lemond retires - again!
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:30:04 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Yep! Greg Lemond did retire from the Tour of Britain. Problem - sleepless
night!

'Z' have said that he has to stay in Britain for the Wincanton Classic (World
Cup event) on this weekend.

-------
Charles

ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: all theat fat
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:27:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bsy128.7Kp
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug13.161026.20503@midway.uchicago.edu> holz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> 1000milligrams of cholesterol that you need, normal diet supplies 150
> milligrams and the body produces 850milligrams.

Just in case this isn't clear, your body can produce it all.  You don't
have to eat any cholesterol to be healthy, even if most people get
some of their cholesterol by ingesting it directly.  What does "normal
diet" mean?  (This reminds me of studies that compare "average diet"
to some special diet.  What's the "average diet" actually like?)  Note
that I'm not contradicting the statement above, I just think it could
be misleading.

> posted) 30% fat. The exercise connection, to cholesterol, has also been a
> puzzling thing. There has not been a good correlation between exercise and
> low LDL levels (too much LDL=not a good thing). But there definitely has been
> been a good correlation between exercise and lack of hardened arteries.

My doctor sez that regular exercise raises HDL levels.  Perhaps this
explains some of the beneficial effects of exercise.


-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Important rule for out-and-back rides:  what goes down must come up.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:22:03 GMT

In article <5-0mbc_.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.234150.20176@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:

>>As long as the gas tax does not exceed previous total levels of
>>taxation, why would it destroy our standard of living?  The same way

>Excuse me Ed, but that is the great lie of the tax generation. This
>government has proven itself completely incapable of limiting, let
>alone intelligently planning taxation at virtually any level.

Please don't count me an apologist for the present tax structure,
but if your opposition is flatout to any increases in any tax,
then just say so, and don't confuse the issue with other arguments.
We are going to have taxes, and they will not be *-neutral, so I
feel fine arguing for a higher gas tax, and a lower tax burden.

>Tampering with present tax codes as is suggested might just as easily
>produce entirely different incentives than those desired. It has 
>has happened before. Remember the IRA?

Yes, I vaguely remember the IRA, used to contribute to one.  What was
the weird effect, though?

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (K J Leiden)
Subject: SINGLE TRACK request for penisula
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:27:08 GMT

To all MTN BIKERS on the penisula:

I am interested in finding new technically challenging 
(legal) SINGLE TRACK located anywhere on the penisula.  
I have tried just about every ride that is on any map 
or in any book. 

I'm really interested in out-of-the-way, secret locations.  
I know there is plenty out there, I just need to make contact
with some of you other riders.  

Of course, I will certainly be willing to trade secrets as I 
have done a lot of exploring myself in the last two years.  
I live in Daly City, work in Sunnyvale so I have covered a lot
of geographic areas.

Please respond through email as rec.bicycle gets so much traffic
I can't really keep up with it all.

Hope to hear from you
-- 
 Ken Leiden
 kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Keywords: SPEED, TECH
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:15:02 GMT
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX

In article <16enckINN86t@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>(Is there a faster-than-50 club in this group yet ? :-)

You're kidding right?  My avocet 40 tells me that I exceed fifty atleast twice
this weekend on my mountain bike (Conti Super Cross tires with fifty PSI).
Of course, this was on the road that leads to the trailhead.  I did, however,
record 48.5 mph in the dirt of Bandera County Texas a couple of weeks back.

Allan Maxwell
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:43:11 GMT

Alex Miller writes;

> Want to buy a rear air spoiler for a Porsche 911 Turbo that costs
> more than a complete Yugo?  I've heard it makes the car look good.

Oh nooooo.  All wrong.  I talked to the dealer and he told me the
whale tail keeps the back end down at speed and gives better traction.
In commute traffic this is advantageous even though the effect isn't
as strong as at the design speeds above 140 mph.  I wouldn't be seen
without one.  Of course an Oakley foil across the windshield is
equally effective.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:05:45 GMT

Paul Sery writes:

> You seem to take such observations personally and infer completely
> different things than any reasonable reading suggests.  Lighten up.

Talk about calling the kettle black.  So I find no redeeming practical
value for extremely expensive aerodynamic wheels on a mountain bike,
I point to a few other reasons for not using them and right away I
see bodies thrown into the fray with personal injury.  I wasn't aware
that sensitivity about appearing cool was enough to cause so much
pain.  This is wreck.bike and not alt.fashion I hope.  I didn't cross
post did I?  Maybe the perceived injuries would be ameliorated if the
admonition "Lighten up" were practiced by those who propose it.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: slais02@unixg.ubc.ca (Robyn Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Young white male in red sports car
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:46:36 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

I was vulnerable: a lone cyclist toiling up a steep, winding ascent at 
14 km/h.  He fit neatly into a stereotype: a young driver, a white male,
driving a red sports car.  Polo shirt, trendy looking.

How did I get such a good look at him?

He *slowed down* matching my speed a safe distance behind me, waited
until the road straightened out a bit enough that I could tell the 
oncoming lane was clear, and he waved a friendly thank you as I gestured for 
him to pass.

It made up for all the brown cars (they always seem to be either brown
or green) that whooshed past, millimetres from my elbow, on the way
home.

Maybe tomorrow I'll stop at a light behind a 70's-model car that has a
well tuned engine. :-)

*Robyn.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey)
Subject: MTN bike race 8/19 - on ESPN
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:37:00 GMT

Did anyone else catch the NORBA event held 8/19(?) broadcast on ESPN 8/19
4:30cst?

The event was held at Mammoth(sp), CA and was sponsored by Jeep.(thier
banners were quite visable)  It apears to have been part of both the World
MTN Bike Cup and Grundig series (I'm fuzzy on how these fit together)  

Julie Furtado won the the womens event and Ned Overend got his first win of
the year in the mens race.

Since I've never seen a MTN bike race in person or on the tube I found it a
real treat but the coverage was ... well  more hype than substance.  It
reminds me of the ESPN coverage of the TDF.

The next event is to be broadcast 9/1/92 at 4:30 cst if I remember right.

Kevin  
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From: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Road tires
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:34:13 GMT
Reply-To: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

Any one had experience with Performance-brand tires such as the EX/K, GT/K, ST/K
models?

--Joe.
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:44:22 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <1449700037@igc.apc.org>, Dave Snyder <davesnyder@igc.apc.org> writes:
|> 
|> SAN Francisco has cops n bikes, too. More an dmoer cities are getting them.
|> 
|> /dave
|> 

Saskatoon has a 7-bike patrol. Good for drug busts and bell-less bike
busts (didn't look twice at me though).

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca