From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:12:33 GMT
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(My newsreader seemed to upchuck this the first time I sent it, hope
this doesn't repeat...)

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>My girlfriend saw this one on tv news.  I was suprised the local 
>station would report this one, rather than ignoring it as I would 
>have expected them to.

Well, we saw it here in San Diego, too.  It was on right after all the
ambulance-chasing stories, so you knew they thought it was important. :-)

>Clinton this weekend (sept 5-6) went to a rally in South Carolina.
>He was booed so hard and loud by a majority of the huge crowd that 
>he couldn't be heard at all.  

Actually, this wasn't the only thing we saw locally, and this wasn't
the description that was given.  (Just to make sure: we are talking
about the rally at the racetrack just before the Southern 500, right?)
What we saw was Clinton being drowned out by some portion of the crowd
which included (according to the voice-over) "several hundred
Republican campaign workers" (or words to that effect).  It was tough
to gauge the overall crowd reaction from the tape shown, but it was
obvious that a sizeable number of people were trying to shout him
down.

But then they also had a clip of Clinton actually managing to give a
short speech, in which he essentially said, (while making no attempt
to hide his accent) that he felt he was closer to the minds of these
people than George Bush was, and that he felt it was important to go
to South Carolina even though he knew the reception would not be as
friendly.

>The best part was the plane:  Overhead flew an airplane towing this 
>banner:  "We don't want a draft dodger for president!".
>
>The plane was lovely.  I wish she had recorded it on the vcr.  As
>I said, I am suprised that the tv news station here chose to cover it.

Actually, I thought the plane was pretty tacky.  It got on TV because
it was a striking "visual".  But the TV report also mentioned that
this banner was being towed around other Clinton appearance sites
recently, and was not (at least exclusively) some outpouring of local
anti-Clinton sentiment.  (Meanwhile, does anybody know if the plane
was towing other commercial messages before/during/after the race?)

>I have yet to see any mention of this wonderful event in our local
>paper, (which runs daily anti-Bush editorial cartoons).   

The San Diego Union-Tribune gave it some brief mention, I believe.

>I plan to
>go to the library and see which papers do cover the event, but I 
>imagine there are not many.  If the same thing had happened to Bush,
>you can bet it would be in every paper and tv news show.

I'm not sure: how much coverage did they give to that ghastly PR
disaster in Panama?  Around here, I wouldn't say it was too overblown.
(Unlike the Japanese vomiting incident, which was truly ridiculous.

Back to the Clinton rally: 

As far as the papers go, I expect this was a much more impressive
"videobite" than it was a news story.  And since there did seem to be
a consensus that there was a fair amount of Republican orchestration
going on, it might not have seemed as attractive a story.  I mean, is
it really a shocker that Republicans would put a great deal of effort
into spoiling a Clinton campaign appearance in South Carolina?  It
would have been extremely newsworthy if they had not.

Meanwhile, did anybody else see the equally stupid videobite of some
clowns tossing broccoli at Bush at one of his recent appearances?

>How many of you saw this?  What did you think?  How many of you didn't
>know about this because your TV station or newspaper chose to deny you
>this knowledge?

I bet it covered more widely than you expect, but I'm not sure what
"knowledge" it could impart to anybody.  (What, you mean that the
Democrats might have a tough time taking South Carolina?  Wow!)  It
probably did more to reinforce people's stereotypes than anything
else.  Any South Carolinians out there have something to say about
this?

>Jim Del Vecchio

jking

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.elections
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Summary: questions about media coverage of recent clinton counter-rally
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Keywords: clinton, bush, south carolina, draft

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>My girlfriend saw this one on tv news.  I was suprised the local 
>station would report this one, rather than ignoring it as I would 
>have expected them to.

Well, we saw it here in San Diego, too.  It was on right after all the
ambulance-chasing stories, so you knew they thought it was important. :-)

>Clinton this weekend (sept 5-6) went to a rally in South Carolina.
>He was booed so hard and loud by a majority of the huge crowd that 
>he couldn't be heard at all.  

Actually, this wasn't the only thing we saw locally, and this wasn't
the description that was given.  (Just to make sure: we are talking
about the rally at the racetrack just before the Southern 500, right?)
What we saw was Clinton being drowned out by some portion of the crowd
which included (according to the voice-over) "several hundred
Republican campaign workers" (or words to that effect).  It was tough
to gauge the overall crowd reaction from the tape shown, but it was
obvious that a sizeable number of people were trying to shout him
down.

But then they also had a clip of Clinton actually managing to give a
short speech, in which he essentially said, (while making no attempt
to hide his accent) that he felt he was closer to the minds of these
people than George Bush was, and that he felt it was important to go
to South Carolina even though he knew the reception would not be as
friendly.

>The best part was the plane:  Overhead flew an airplane towing this 
>banner:  "We don't want a draft dodger for president!".
>
>The plane was lovely.  I wish she had recorded it on the vcr.  As
>I said, I am suprised that the tv news station here chose to cover it.

Actually, I thought the plane was pretty tacky.  It got on TV because
it was a striking "visual".  But the TV report also mentioned that
this banner was being towed around other Clinton appearance sites
recently, and was not (at least exclusively) some outpouring of local
anti-Clinton sentiment.  (Meanwhile, does anybody know if the plane
was towing other commercial messages before/during/after the race?)

>I have yet to see any mention of this wonderful event in our local
>paper, (which runs daily anti-Bush editorial cartoons).   

The San Diego Union-Tribune gave it some brief mention, I believe.

>I plan to
>go to the library and see which papers do cover the event, but I 
>imagine there are not many.  If the same thing had happened to Bush,
>you can bet it would be in every paper and tv news show.

I'm not sure: how much coverage did they give to that ghastly PR
disaster in Panama?  Around here, I wouldn't say it was too overblown.
(Unlike the Japanese vomiting incident, which was truly ridiculous.

Back to the Clinton rally: 

As far as the papers go, I expect this was a much more impressive
"videobite" than it was a news story.  And since there did seem to be
a consensus that there was a fair amount of Republican orchestration
going on, it might not have seemed as attractive a story.  I mean, is
it really a shocker that Republicans would put a great deal of effort
into spoiling a Clinton campaign appearance in South Carolina?  It
would have been extremely newsworthy if they had not.

Meanwhile, did anybody else see the equally stupid videobite of some
clowns tossing broccoli at Bush at one of his recent appearances?

>How many of you saw this?  What did you think?  How many of you didn't
>know about this because your TV station or newspaper chose to deny you
>this knowledge?

I bet it covered more widely than you expect, but I'm not sure what
"knowledge" it could impart to anybody.  (What, you mean that the
Democrats might have a tough time taking South Carolina?  Wow!)  It
probably did more to reinforce people's stereotypes than anything
else.  Any South Carolinians out there have something to say about
this?

>Jim Del Vecchio

jking
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