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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Thank you at night (was Re: Signalling one's desire to pass)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpDH4.9z0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1aqf5iINNuv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>In a previous article, karmira@natinst.com (Apostolos Karmirantzos) says:
>
>>  What do you think is the appropriate way to signal a thank you at night
>>to someone who went right to allow you to pass. If it's day, I just wave
>>my hand, but what about at night?
>
>Never, never use hand signals unless you absolutely must.
>It's a bad feeling when you have to stop your car in the middle of traffic to
>go pick up your arm laying in the road that other motorists are running over.

Pardon me for asking, but how does waving a "thank you" by raising your
right hand so that it is visible to the driver behind you through your
rear window and then waving it result in your arm becoming severed from
your body and teleported out of your vehicle into the road where it is
then run over by other cars?
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From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Chatsworth, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 07:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.210804.17317@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:

> Me too.  I get so annoyed with folks that are constantly going from
> brake to gas and back.  I make a game out of seeing how far I can
> go without hitting my brakes.  8^)  Somebody around here (net) once
> said something like, "Brake usage is inversely proportional to
> the person's ability to drive."  8^) 8^)

Leonard Kleinrock (the queueing theorist, who certainly ought to know)
agrees.  He says "truckers are good guys" in traffic jams because they
smooth out the turbulence.  They do it out of self-interest, to avoid
extra shifting, but it still helps jams clear up quicker.
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@ITcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:25:03 GMT

In article 718411169@cwis, trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>
>>Generally the cyclists around here(Clemson, SC) are about as courteous as can
>>be expected, staying near the shoulder(no bike trails here), signalling their
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>    This is another thing that should be stressed in this discussion:  don't
>get ticked off at cyclists that don't hug the shoulder.
>
>    Number one, they don't have to, they're vehicles just like cars.  There
>is usually a lot of gravel spillover on the sides of the roads from the
>shoulders, and the roads are rarely kept swept.
 
If they were vehicles just like cars, they would be able to go as fast.

>    Number two, next time you're out driving or walking, look at the storm
>drain gratings on the sides of the road, and especially look which way the
>slots are oriented.  Chances are they're parallel to traffic.  Now imagine
>hitting one of those babies at 25mph while you're trying to keep up with
>traffic to keep from being run off the road.  Imagine going over the handle-
>bars and laying unconscious in the street while cars keep coming.  Starting
>to get scared?

I used to be in charge of storm-drain inspections when new subdivisions
were being built in a small municipality near Montreal. I did put myself
in the position of cyclists, and every drain in town was inspected and
approved so that the long openings would not be parallel to the road.
I had work crews actually dig up drains and turn them in order that they would get
paid for installing them. It is not the road engineers who are at fault.
It is the foreman of the crew who doesn't watch his boys carefully.

Andy.
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: New Dodge catch-phrase
Date: 29 Sep 1992 01:11:32 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <oelp56C00YV7E4oVh2@andrew.cmu.edu> Janviere S Thuman <jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Put a new Dodge -new Dodge- in your Garbage.


I'd rather drive no car than a Mopar.
From: conser@CS.ColoState.EDU (glenn eldon conser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:28:00 GMT
Organization: Catatonic State University

In article <54cTRB2w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:

[other good advice deleted]
[munch]

>11. Resist the urge to do a high-speed pass by a marginally slow driver. 
>You'll be angry, and busily flipping him the bird while you *should* be 
>watching for smokey.

True.  You should never pass anyone with a great amount of speed difference 
between your cars.  Why?  The innocent looking guy in that Caravan could be
an off-duty cop with a pencil and a phone!


-- 
See Ya'
-- Glenn
		If money can't buy love, why do all my dates 
			start at the cash machine?
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From: ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Truckers ARE professionals
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:03:01 GMT

I have driven 40,000 highway miles in the last 2 years or so and have found
that truckers are generally very polite to those who drive courteously.  
If you drive like a truck driver (flash to let people in, don't tailgate,
don't cut people off) you will generally get a lot of respect from them,
such as flashing to let YOU in front of them.

I have also been cut off several times by 18-wheelers, and nearly left the
roadway both times, but I have found that the proportion of assholes behind th
the wheels of trucks is MUCH lower than that of cars.

When an accident means that you don't eat for the next two weeks, one tends
to be more of a professional.  Sunday drivers and other jerks have nothing
to lose, except maybe a car...

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Laser Jammer Sighting?
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:03:26 GMT

Driving along SC Highway 93 near jolly olde Clemson University one night 
last week I saw something rather curious.  The car behind me, a newish
Nissan 300ZX, had a strange device implanted in the nose.  It appeared
to be a bar about a foot long and maybe two inches high, in which a dim
red light went from side to side.  The light took about three seconds to
make a round trip, and was just a wee bit brighter near the center of the
bar.  The only thing I've ever seen like it was the "sensor array" in the
nose of the "KITT" Firebird on the TV show "Knight Rider" several years
ago, and at first I thought maybe some dork had made one of those trying
to be cool back when the show was on the air, but that thought went south
when I identified the car as a new-style black 300ZX Twin Turbo.  Then I 
got to thinking "Hmmm, dim red sweeping light, probably invisible in day-
light, relatively inconspicuous fast car, fairly bemonied owner, in a town
with a university known for its engineering school, could it perhaps be a
lidar jammer/scrambler/disruptor device?"  If anyone has seen this car, or
any with a device similar to this, do you know what it is?  Meanwhile, I'm
scrutinizing the nose of every black Turbo Z that I see, just looking...


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu



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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Zen and the Art of Mustang Maintenance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:29:57 GMT

dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:

>tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

>> This may come as a shock to you, but the 5 liter Mustangs and Camaros that
>> police departments purchase actually cost LESS than the beached whale
>> Caprices and land yacht Crown Vics. By buying these "sports cars"
>> they're actually SAVING some of our tax dollars.

>Marginal, at best. I can do an oil change and swap the plugs and air
>filter on a Caprice in about an hour. On a mustang.. You're looking at a
>good half a day - at $60/hr. Eats into your savings real fast.

I don't know what "Mustang" you're used to working on, but there's NO WAY it
takes half a day to change oil, air filter and spark plugs on MY '91
5 liter Mustang. And I'm not even a professional mechanic like they have at
most police departments.

Perhaps you're thinking of some other type of car?

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpDHC.9zt
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1992Oct06.022642.28172@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>In article <BvnH17.J8B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>>
>>A Geo Metro is a very small, very fuel-efficient car. Like most
>>ultra-high-efficiency cars, it's tiny engine is not much on acceleration
>>(unless, of course, you add NITRO. ;-)
>
>I'd expect that thing to need nitroglycerin rather than nitrous
>oxide.  The former will make it accelerate REAL fast.  Once.

Actually, I was referring to a Geo Metro thread which ran its course
here some time back. For the benefit of those who missed it, a brief
recap:

People were flaming Geo Metros for being putzily slow, and the proud
Metro owners were defending their prides and joys, when some guy popped
in and started bragging about how his "Nitro" equipped Geo Metro could
blow away 5 Liter Mustangs in stoplight drag races. One of the responses
was the same as yours above. Others included:

Run a rubber hose from the nitrous tank into the Mustang and opening
the stopcock. By the time the light turns green, the Mustang driver will
be laughing too hard to notice that you've driven away and left him
standing.

-or-

Run a rubber hose from the nitrous tank to the Mustang's interior. Toss
in a match, and FOOM! Then you can honestly say you blew the Mustang's
doors off. ;-)
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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Truckers ARE professionals
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:41:13 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct5.130301.22956@wam.umd.edu> ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld) writes:
	[stuff deleted]
>roadway both times, but I have found that the proportion of assholes behind th
>the wheels of trucks is MUCH lower than that of cars.


	I definitely agree that truckers are generally better drivers than
car drivers. I have done lots of cross-country action in the last three years,
some of it with a trailer, and when you treat truckers well they treat you
very well (particularly if you have a CB to talk to them on).

	I think truckers get bad reputations because when you come across a
trucker who *isn't* a good driver, he (have yet to meet any bad women truckers)
tends to be *really* bad, and has the means to really ruin your day to an
extent much greater than your average car driver.

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From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: SCCA, Auto-X, and BMW 2002 question
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:20:42 GMT

In <BvAJzD.Lv6@acsu.buffalo.edu> v087mxgb@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn E Thompson) writes:


>I seem to recall the *old* BMW 2002's being rather smallish.

>I have an opportunity to purchase a 1979 2002 for *dirt*
>cheap. I am only interested in it as a hobby car, but can
>someone tell me when they enlarged the body style.

They didn't.

>I know this car evolved into the 3xx series cars. I'd like to
>use a smaller (older) 2002 for solo racing, but I am not
>sure about the 1979's

All 2002s are the same size.  It is about the same size as the
early 3 series.  In '73 they made a change to some of the trimmings
(tail-lights and grille) but the body was unchanged.
-- 
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Internet: pod@softway.sw.oz.au           |you don't understand art."
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:39:02 -0400 
From: Janviere S Thuman <jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: New Dodge catch-phrase

Here is what the popular Dodge commercial phrase SHOULD be:

Put a new Dodge -new Dodge- in your Garbage.


That seems more appropriate to me!!

Shellie
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:14:50 GMT


In article <1992Sep27.203455.11258@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>
>Nope, it does.  Traffic has wavelike behavior.

"Laminar flow" is the term I've heard used most often.

Someone wanna tell us lay people what that really means? ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:16:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com>, jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
|> 
|> In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
|> wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.

I'd be will to pay the 50 cents/gal if it would go to more mass transit and better roads.  It would be nice to get rid of a lot of that traffic.  Speaking of taxes, I'm sure you've seen those sign on the trucks that say "this truck pays $5,000/year (approx) in road taxes".  Several years ago a DOT study reported that they did at least twice that much road damage.  

bob jernigan
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Left on red
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:27:57 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

00124961@ysub.ysu.edu writes:

> In article <Bv55Eq.Byz@world.std.com>
> tonym@world.std.com (Tony Matt) writes:
>  
> >
> >sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
> >>rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
> >>>matt@cs.city.ac.uk (Matthew G Sillitoe (Matt)) writes:
> >>>>ObQ. Are there *any* roundabouts in the US?
> >>>
> There is one in the center of Columbiana, Ohio, not far from where I live.
> All the main streets in the town branch off of it.  Talk about a bunch of
> confused drivers!  They have an "accident of the week" there.
> Chris Kuner (just passing through)
> 00124961@ysub.ysu.edu


Oh, I can think of more than a few in South NJ.  However sadly (gladly) they 
are being taken out, and replaced with 4 way intersecions.


----- 
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From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:19:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu

In article <92268.193819DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu> DJS148@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> I would greatly appreciate any ideas concerning how to avoid
> receiving a speeding ticket.  I have a speech comm. class
> presentation due on Oct. 5.  I need enough practical methods to
> speak about for ten minutes. 

Probably the most effective way to avoid receiving a speeding ticket
to become a cop. No cop will ever issue a speeding ticket to another
cop. As a cop, you are free to break just about any traffic law you
wish, with complete impunity. 

Mark
From: crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:04:02 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BvI579.MJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct2.061855.8714@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:
>Over the summer I took a road trip which included about 150 miles of
>two lane blacktop (and no, I don't drive a Goat ;-). I can't count the
>number of times I came upon a "convoy" of vehicles moving at 50 MPH or
>less, with some truck or van+camper trailer at the front and a bunch of
>cars trailing behind, the drivers of which were too scared to attempt a
>pass. In most cases, the drivers would also tailgate, making it
>difficult to work one's way up through the crowd one vehicle at a time.
>More than once I was forced to pass 4, 5, or 6 vehicles all at once.

One time I was headed (for all you NJites) down Mon Co 537 to Great 
Adventure from the east coast.  For all you non-NJites, it's a one
lane-in-each-direction road with a 50 mph limit (outside of towns) with
hills and sporadic passing zones.  I came up on a line of 8 (EIGHT) cars
just about bumper to bumper, with a empty space a 1.5 car lenghts long
between cars 3 and 4 (from the back).  I signalled a lane change and gunned
the gas to about half wide-open, and then signalled right as I approached
the gap.  The van driver that was car #3 actually accelerated towars car #4,
closing the gap off!!! SO, here I am in the left-hand lane doing 63 mph, with
no where to go.  Oh, did I mention we were appoaching the top of a hill?  AND
the end of the passing zone?  My options:

   1) Slam on the brakes and HOPE I can pull back into my lane when the
5 (FIVE) cars that were following me zoom by me.
   2) Stay in the left hand lane and wait to die.
   3) Pull off on the left-hand shoulder and wait until all everyone else
      goes home.
   or (my personal favorite)
   4) floor the gas and try and beat the whole line to the top of the hill.
      By the time I zoomed in front of the lead pick-up truck, I was doing
      77 mph and sweating bullets.  

 Can you tell I hate un-courteous drivers?

O========|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|========0
 Curt R Lindmark      crl0195@hertz.njit.edu         Defender from ages past

Fast, faster, faster, faster, ready to explode
Don't want nothing left of me to scrape of the road
Spirit........OF THE WHEEL!!!!!!!
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:14:32 GMT


In article <lc7dc6INNpeq@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>I wrote:
>
>>>It's a trade-off.  I happen to feel that the odds of being rear-ended
>>>are low enough, and the possibility of screwing up traffic flow by wasting 
>>>space are high enough, that leaving excessive space in traffic light queues
>>>is a poor practice.  
>
>
>In article <1992Sep20.154344.27872@mongrel.UUCP> amdunn@mongrel.UUCP 
>(Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
>
>>WASTING SPACE?
>
>Yes!
>
>
>>What extra does it cost to use the space?   Nothing.  
>
>Not to you, maybe, but what about the people behind you?  That may be
>a different story.  See below.

This "wasting space" argument reminds me of the guy who was complaining
about people who leave their turn signals flashing while they sit at a
red light. It may be your personal pet peeve, but your attempts to
rationalize it as some kind of universal injustice fall flat.

>I've seen this habit justified -- or possibly, rationalized -- with the
>assertion that it would prevent a secondary impact with the car ahead in 
>the event of a rear-end collision.  I'm somewhat impatient with that 
>justification, simply because the possibility of a rear-ender occurring 
>in the first place is so remote.  Wasting space at a red light in case of 
>a rear-ender is like refusing to go outdoors without a crash helmet, as a
>precaution against meteorites.

Let's see: I've been rear ended at stoplights three times in the last 8
years or so, but I've never been hit by a meteorite. Oh, but of course,
my personal experience has no effect on the CHANCES. OK, let's compare
the total number of rear end collisions per year in America to the total
number of incidents where a meteorite strikes a vehicle in that same
year. You're trying to tell me that these two probabilities are equal?
OK, I'll keep an open mind. Where are your facts to back up your claim?

This kind of hyperbole does nothing to make me want to give up the space
cushion practice. Absolutely nothing. You'll have to be a little more
convincing than that, Geoff.

Wail all you want, but there is a valid reason for maintaining that space
cushion, and people are going to do it whether you like it or not.
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, un027713@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>[Stepping on soapbox]

]Let's look at this from the perspective of the driver you are pulling up
]behind.  You are making a decision that could affect his car if you *ARE*
]rear-ended.  Not only that, you are making this decision without his
]consent.  I personally dislike when someone pulls up within inches of my
]car.  You don't have the right to risk *IN ANY WAY* someone else's property
]no matter how slight you feel the risk to be.  This should extend to all
]aspects of driving.  If you can always guarantee 100% that your actions will
]not harm anyone or their property, then fine.  But I don't think that you can,
]and I personally don't give you or anybody else the right to make those
]decisions about me or my property.

Then I take it you don't drive, use any products that might harm nature
(in turn harming "my" property) or produce anything resembling rubbish.
Afterall, any of these actions could possibly harm my property, and
you surely don't have my consent. Your soapbox position is poorly thought
out and highly idealistic. It doesn't work, and never will, for the
sole reason that there are no guarantees in life, except that one day
you will die.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Here's a good law for you...
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies


In article <1992Sep24.154810.10059@ryn.mro4.dec.com> balsamo@wmodev.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails)) writes:

>    The reason is probably that when you park against the direction of
> traffic, your rear lights, which second as reflectors, are not caught by
> the headlights of on coming traffic, therefore making your car hard to see.
> Turned-off headlights don't reflect the the headlights of on coming traffic
>  at night very well.


Nope.  The reason is that it's impossible to park against the direction of
traffic without actually driving against the direction of traffic  at some
point.

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Neutral saying in WWII 
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