From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <vanyel.715029696@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>In <l9st1kINNeme@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>>In article <vanyel.715024092@camelot> 
>>vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>
>
>>> In fact, I can occasionally
>>> lapse into a two-second "camp" phase with certain friends, but I generally
>>> feel slightly queasy afterward.  
>>Ahem.  
>>Why "queasy"?  Afraid people might think you're a girl?
>
>Maybe just because I don't like.  Tell me why I should embrace such
>behavior with open arms.  It's a facet of my personality to dislike it.

Just let me get a word in, please.

I think that you feel ``queasy'' for one of two reasons (do
let me know if I am wrong).  1. this behaviour offends the intrinsic
sense of aethetic value you have.  This is a big one, and if it is
it you might want to look at it to figure out just what of it offends you.
I mean this most sincerely.  The network is a huge place where sarcasm
and truee feeling often blurr.

I'm an actual real existing human being (as opposed to a government
sponsored fact-finder) who wants to watch people do things, and try
to fathom why they do them.

Lots of stuff make me queasy.

Many of my friends who are most nelly are still real damn good 
friends but still give me a sense of how damn putrid and horrifying
homophobia has been as an INSTITUTION.  Other friends just have
fun.

It is odd that they, who are my friends, choose to dress themselves
in the exact terms of dress which I have renounced forever as making me 
a symbol with which I want to have no truck.

All of those odd men who want to wear ladies clothes... and all of
us odd women who never want to wear a dress again.

The thing is not with the clothes, it is with the roles that we both
groups are fighting against.

And looking at that is enough to make anybody queasy.

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Possibility 2 is that you fear being identified with them and being
beaten with a stick.  That's good for queasiness too.  But the thing 
is that the stick-bashers are always around, and the problem is
with them.

``I hit his head in because he was a fag''
``I hit his head in because he was a Jew''
``I hit his head in because he was a nigger''.

It's all the same disease that afflicts these souls.  I don't know
how to fix it.  I wish I had a cure.  Just remember that it is those
sould who have the disease.

It makes you queasy?  No kidding!  But I still don't know what to
do with them, their problems, and whatever the hell made them
think that bashing heads was a good way to solve problems.  I
still, after intense work for decades on the problem, can't even
begin to fathom why they would want to do this to solve their problems.

All I get is that they do these sorts of things, not to solve their
problems, but in dispair because their problems cannot be solved.
And many of them are judged sane.  

This  squeamishness I understand.

Having been mugged, and beaten, I never want that to happen again.
It has.  I still don't want it to happen again.  This is sqeamishness.
I never again want to be beaten the way I was when I broke 3 ribs,
a nose, and my left arm.  (Or Heaven Forbid worse!).

But I may not generate a terror of those who are more ``Nell''     
just because I have such a fear.  The queasiness is in worrying how
he->she will get home.
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Does this make any sense to you?
Or does this come across as blithering nonsense?
I've tried to be more sense-ful than this...

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
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