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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: Xu/Cheng`
Keywords: doubles
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.220322.8519@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>In article <1gql5pINN7ag@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu> moots@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (Joel Adam Moots) writes:
>>i was watching the Xu/Cheng (i forget whom they were playing--Zhuang/Chen? maybe) double match last night (1:00 am here, you know how TT gets such prime time
>> coverage :-)) on ESPN, and they lost the first game, won the second, and
>> lost the last.
>>
>>what bothers me, though, is that the second game was not televised.  could 
>>  anybody tell how it went, and what they did to win it?
>>
>>joel   moots@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>>
>>
>>ps..i've seen a Xu post on this group; it this the same one?
>>
>>:)
>>
>
>Yes, he's the same one... But, he didn't reply on this group since then...
>
>I watched the second game live (I was there), and all they did was to
>make less mistakes...

I thought that Xu/Cheng were backing off the table too quickly in the
first and third games. I believe they played more agressively/close to
the table in the second game. 
>
>Somebody also told me that for TV, they *had* to lose, to let play 
>Wang Tao, the stronger player. IMHO, they were stronger than the other
>team... (I'm talking about Chen/Xu -> they were stronger).
>
>I don't know if all this is true, though...

For me, it also looked a little like an exhibition - but I totally enjoyed
it. 
>
>Lyne
>
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From: Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:10:19 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu's message of Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:08:13 EST

In article <1992Dec15.150814.26718@newstand.syr.edu> pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White) writes:

-> I have never seen a NITTAKU ball on sale - Where ?

In Finland.

(Sorry, couldn't resist :^) )

- Janne
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From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Backside of penholder bat usable?
Keywords: penholder bat, backside, 2-colour rule
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:22:57 GMT

In article <tam.724188647@pythia.itkp.uni-bonn.de> tam@pythia.itkp.uni-bonn.de (Alvian Tam) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>Great to see the TT group alive and well. I am a TT lover but I haven't played
>the game for 10 years now. Here is a question that has always bothered me.
>
>I play with a penholder grip with red plastic on only 1 side of the bat. The 
>other side is bare wood, unpainted with natural colour. Lots of people told
>me that I cannot hit the ball the this bare side because:
>
>(1) You can never use the 'other side' of a penholder bat. (What if you use
>    a handshake-bat but hold it with a penholder grip, can you use the
>    'other side'?)
>
>(2) You can use the 'other side' but only if it is painted in the same colour
>    as the plastic side, in my case, red.
>
>(3) You can use the 'other side' but only if it is painted, and only if it is
>    painted in a different colour to the plastic, e.g., black in my case.
>
>(4) You can use the 'other side' if it is covered with plastic, making my bet
>    2-sided.
>
>What is the right rule? I am extremely confused. A related question is this
>'2-colour rule' that everybody keep talking about. What is it?
>
>Email prefered (news server keep dying on me) and I will summarise if there
>are enough responses and interests. If you post on news, please send me an
>extra email copy too.
>
>Thanks a lot,
>Alvian Tam.

(2) and (4) are correct, I think.

- Chen Jinxiong
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From: wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim)
Subject: Hitting with backside of penholder paddle
Organization: Grumman Corporation, Bethpage, New York, USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:24:09 GMT

Are there any top penholder players hitting with the backside (with
rubber on) of the paddle?  If so, since when?  If not, why not?  (I
mean did people actually try it out and found out why not to use it?)

BTW, in my previous post about hitting with the backside of the
penholder paddle, that friend uses it for his "smashes" and chops.



Willie
From: nguyenk@stein.u.washington.edu (hee hee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Speed of Rubber
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:11:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec19.051107.3440
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec16.143326.12294@watson.ibm.com> fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) writes:
>It refers to the ball speed after being hit.  It depends on the elastic
>constants of the rubbers and also their damping characterics (i.e. percentage
>of kinetic energy dissipated).  High speed rubbers dissipate less kinetic
>energy than the ball.  A thicker sponge reduces the deformation of the ball,
>
>One simple measurement of the "speed" of the rubber (+blade) is to clamp
>the handle, drop the ball from various heights and see how high the ball
>bounces.  Table tennis balls are supposed to dissipate less than 1/3 of
>the original energy hitting a stiff surface at low speed (see rule book...).
>So the ideal high speed rubber actually may not be that much faster when
>hit at low speed.
I agree with Feng in every part but the "speed testing" part. I think it's
a bit more complicate in testing the speed of a rubber than what you've
explained. For instance, if
I drop the ball from a height of 1 ft, it stucked dead on my Spinspiel rubber
surface, I mean no second bounce ! The more spin a rubber has, the less
power one seems to get when hitting the ball at low speed. Indeed, even for very
speedy rubber such as the Yasaka Do or Juic 999, one can't really feel
the power until he hits the ball hard enough (at least I can't :-)).
Anyway, it's just my experience.
Ky,
PS: I always hate the speed and spin rating from Paddle Palace, anyone
has the same feeling ?
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Xu/Cheng`
Keywords: doubles
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:03:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1gql5pINN7ag@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu> moots@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (Joel Adam Moots) writes:
>i was watching the Xu/Cheng (i forget whom they were playing--Zhuang/Chen? maybe) double match last night (1:00 am here, you know how TT gets such prime time
> coverage :-)) on ESPN, and they lost the first game, won the second, and
> lost the last.
>
>what bothers me, though, is that the second game was not televised.  could 
>  anybody tell how it went, and what they did to win it?
>
>joel   moots@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>
>
>ps..i've seen a Xu post on this group; it this the same one?
>
>:)
>

Yes, he's the same one... But, he didn't reply on this group since then...

I watched the second game live (I was there), and all they did was to
make less mistakes...

Somebody also told me that for TV, they *had* to lose, to let play 
Wang Tao, the stronger player. IMHO, they were stronger than the other
team... (I'm talking about Chen/Xu -> they were stronger).

I don't know if all this is true, though...

Lyne


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From: davidc@topspin.esd.sgi.com (David Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: How to handle strong top spin ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:54:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <BzBAvB.5MK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>the top Hungarians (Jonyer, Klampar, Gergely) and I'm sure Grubba 
>and Bengtsson used Anti. Also all three Seemillers and the Boggans 
>(except their dad Tim.. I think he used hard rubber). Cai Zhenhua 
>(one of the few Chinese shakehands loopers) also used Anti.

Actually none of the Hungarians you mentioned, Grubba, or any of
the top Swedes use(d) anti.  Since the Hungarians were fierce two-winged
loopers they all used inverted on both sides.  Grubba does also, I believe.
Bengtsson used short pips on his backhand, using it to control rallies before
ending it with a forehand kill.  Cai Zhenhua was one of the early loopers to use
anti on his backhand to go with his incredible forehand, but when the 2-color
rule was enacted, his world ranking dropped quickly as everyone was able to
figure out his game once they knew what rubber was being used.

As for the Boggans, father Tim uses regular short pips with sponge on both
sides, older brother Scott used inverted on both sides, and Eric uses
anti on one side and inverted on the other.

As it's been stated already, few top players today use anti or long-pips
because of the offensive nature of todays game.

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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:31:18

Hello!

   >	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
   >	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.   This is to be
   >	effective immediately (December 17, 1992).  The question is,
   >	how do you enforce it?  Does anybody know?  Does that mean
   >	the hitters are coming back?
   >					Tak

I'm sorry to say that I really have no further info on this one yet (as
soon as I get anything I'll post it to the net). What I do have is some
knowledge of the same discussion that has been going on for quite some
time in Sweden. In my opinion their approach is much better.

The Sweds have realised the problems of reguing, especially the healthrisk
involved. They have also realised that there is no idea in banning regluing
if you dont have any means to control it. The thing that they are doing
is trying to get people to do their regluing outside the playing hall and
their trying to get players to use gasmasks. This is in my oppinion the best
solution for the moment. If you bann regluing totally some people will stop
regluing and some will just go on gluing all the time. Then the players that
follow the rules will have a clear disadvantage, and that is definitly not
right.

I think that banning regluing right now is not any solution to the gluing
problem it will just make the problem even worse. In my opinion a desperate
step in the wrong direction by the ITTF.

This is just my own opinion and remember that it is based only on the
information I have wright now about this matter.

bye
Mosche

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From: rio@me.utoronto.ca (Oscar del Rio)
Subject: applgren.gif (Part 0 of 3) --- Description
Summary: Picture of Mikael Appelgren
Keywords: GIF file
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:19:46 GMT

Hi all,

Today I was learning how to use our scanner, and chose one of the
best loopers of the world as my first try...  :-)

My next 3 posts contain a picture of Mikael Appelgren forehand looping
close to the table.

At the bottom of the picture there is another player that I don't seem
to recognize... Can anybody look at the picture and tell me who he is?

The format of the picture is a uuencoded GIF file, 27 grayscale levels,
529x698 pixels resolution (converted from a 2118x2793 pixels, 178 gray-
levels TIFF file).

Is this the first picture about table tennis in the net?  :)

Is it ok to post these pictures here?  I'll try to scan more of them
when I have the time and if anyone is interested... If so, should I
post them here or in alt.binaries.pictures?

Enjoy,

Oscar.

----------------

Instructions to decode the picture:

1. Save the three parts in one single file, e.g. applgren.uue

2. With a text editor, like 'vi', delete the header lines of the postings
   Search for the text "CUT HERE" to find where to delete lines.
   Save the file, it should look something like

   begin 600 applgren.gif
   M1TE&.#=A$0*Z O<  /____[^_OW]_?S\_/O[^_KZ^OGY^?CX^/?W]_;V]O7U
   M]?3T]//S\_+R\O'Q\?#P\._O[^[N[NWM[>SL[.OKZ^KJZNGIZ>CHZ.?GY^;F
   (More than 2000 lines like these ones).
   M#\"0$BK<1\SW21A^ILFP0GE]^T+NU.CYJ(DD\)SI,XO]*T #/$ $3$!H>P'O
   M>Z9#:RPHJAM\V9>6LXGY&)0KT[@M\S+ZTZ^>D++JT[YNZ[_\&:Q&X($9ZY2
   #   [
   
   end

3. Uudecode the file... In Unix, just enter at the Unix prompt,
   provided u named the file "applgren.uue":
   
   uudecode applgren.uue

4. Now, u should have the file "applgren.gif" in your directory.
   Use your favorite GIF viewer to display the picture.

   For more info about GIF files and viewers, please check the
   newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.utilities

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Paddle Suggestions Please!!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:57:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.134511.11537@spectrum.xerox.com> damouth@wrc.xerox.com writes:
>Yes Bob Brickell is still active, and still has some of his own balsa
>blades (called "Brickbats") among the multitude of commercial blades
>that he sells.  I suspect that the price is now closer to $20 however.
>
>Bob's phone is (716) 663-3203.  His prices for blades, rubber, and
>balls are as low as any.  And if you are confused about the hundreds of
>types of blades and rubber sheets available, he is very good about
>questioning you about your playing style and then recommending
>something sensible.  

Thats good to know...

These rackets are easy to make. Just go to your local model plane
store and get some balsawood and thin birch ply. I'd start with 1/4"
balsa for a rather fast racket, 3/16" for a somewhat slower one. 
1/32" or 1/16" ply for the sides. Use Elmer's glue to glue it up. 
Make sure you weigh it down on a flat surface - you want a straight 
racket. Nice thing is if you don't like it you're out $3-4 bucks in
materials and can make another one with different shape/thicknes.



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From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping Huang)
Subject: Re: Ping-pong???  what is that?  ;)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:42:10 GMT

In article <BytzKB.C5L@me.utoronto.ca> rio@me.utoronto.ca (Oscar del Rio) writes:

 > I dont want to start a discussion about this, but I hate when
 > they call our sport "ping-pong"... :))

It just means that those of us named "Ping" get to suffer through our
childhoods due to immature school-mates.... :) And yes, you've succeeded
in starting a small discussion about "this".

--
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From: asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Arijit Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Backside of penholder bat usable?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:22:36 GMT

In article <Bz7wCz.ArB@sidc.com> soo@sidc.com writes:
>
>Does anybody playing the penholding style actually uses the backside of the
>bat for offense/defense?  If so, how?
>

I play penhold, and I don't ever use the backside - however,
about two years back, I played with a guy in India, who was one
of the topmost players in that tournament, (don't ask me about
the results :(( His name was Thomas Lee - the Indians in this
net might know him) and he used the backside sometimes. However,
he played with paddles with rubber on both sides, and sometimes
alternated between rubbers in the forehand and backhand. But
the most difficult of his shots looked somewhat like the
backhand topspin of a shake-hand grip player, and you couldn't
tell before he hit the ball which side he was going to use.
However he used these shots very rarely, but they were very
effective, especially for players with much less experience.

I tried it sometimes, but they never worked for me, so I feel I
am not suited to those kind of shots :(

Never seen anyone using wooden backside (no rubbers) use the
other side though. I guess it is considered to be illegal also.

Jit.
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From: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: volleys
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:05:53 GMT
Reply-To: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Organization: Internal Revenue Service, Washington, DC

In article <1992Dec6.021034.3804@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
>We all know that it's illegal to volley (that is, to hit the ball
>before it bounces)

It is?!?!  Good golly!  I *really* need to brush up on my table-tennis
rules!  Can anyone suggest a good rule book to read?  (I'm a
near-future table-tennis junkie)

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From: gallian@tellabs.com (Doug Gallian)
Subject: Opinions Please!
Organization: Tellabs, Inc. Lisle IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:59:01 GMT


Hi, I'm looking for opinions on a particular kind of rubber I heard of lately.
It's called "Double Fish 8338".  Does anyone have an opinion that have used
this rubber or know someone that does?  I'm thinking of buying some on a fast
paddle.  I play an aggressive game so I'm wondering if it will fit my playing
style.  Any opinions good or bad are welcome!  Thanks in advance!!   Doug

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Serving Rules
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.053353.14632@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

>As someone who does not play TT as a living but who has made a religion out of
>destroying everyone I know at ping pong, I feel like commenting on this.  The
>reason for his statement is right on target.  In some games, monopoly is a
>great example, certain house rules exist (Free Parking=Free Cash in monopoly).
>As I said, I play a lot of basement ping pong and to make it fair for those
>who have to play people who have amazing control over what the paddle makes
>the ball do, a common house rule is that the ball, to be a legal serve must
>pass off of the back of the table, this disallows shots which die or those
>which spin off of the sides.  Of course, with all house rules it is only
>called when the shot is blatently against the rule.  Naturally this gives a
>greater chance for some degree of volley and also prevents serious injury in
>beer pong ;-) which IMHO may be one of the best uses for a green table with a
>net that I have seen in quite some time.  College sure is a trip.....

Yeah.. beer pong. One of my biggest gripes was partiers busting
the tables where we played. Someone spilled a mug of beer on one 
of the tables. Needless to say that made it absolutely useless 
for any serious play.

Problem with this house rules is that it often escapes the confines 
of the basement. They show up at intermural tournaments wherever large 
numbers of frat brats appear. 

Besides, it doesn't protect anyone against serves if they can't handle 
the slightest top or sidespin. The way most of these people hold the
racket (thumb behind the racket face - the Great American Basement Grip) 
they couldn't return topspins if they tried. I delight in blowing them 
out of the water with simple topspin serves whenever they invoke this 
stupid rule. They usually can't return a single one of my serves. 
One of my favorite things to do after serious practice and goofing 
around was imitating the way these people hold the racket and return 
the ball. Heh!





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From: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Serving Rules
Date: 9 Dec 92 21:05:46 GMT
Reply-To: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Organization: Internal Revenue Service, Washington, DC

In article <1992Dec5.222219.1488@med.umich.edu> ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
>In article <1992Dec4.033037.2340@irscscm.UUCP> mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake) writes:
>>In article <ByLC3r.4KI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Arijit Sengupta) writes:
>>>
>>>A serve can bounce any number of times in the opponent's end, but the
>>>opponenent has to hit the ball after it bounces for the first time, but
>>>before it bounces for the second time.
>>
>>I must be stupid.  I don't understand this sentence.  It seems to me
>>that the part of the sentence before the first comma contradicts the
>>remainder of the sentence.
>>
>
>Oh No ... not again. I was hoping all this was cleared up by now. The first
>part does not contradict the second one at all in my interpretation. How
>do you interpret Jit's statement? Tell us how you read the sentence and maybe
>Jit or I or anyone else can help you clear up the confusion.
> 

Ok.  Actually, though, I think I know what is trying to be stated
now.

>>>A serve can bounce any number of times in the opponent's end,

It seems to me that this means it's within the rules for a serve to
bounce any number of times at the receiver's end of the table.  i.e.,
the receiver can return the serve after the first, second, third, etc.
bounce and be okay.

>>> but the
>>>opponenent has to hit the ball after it bounces for the first time, but
>>>before it bounces for the second time.

But here it seems that the receiver must return the serve after the
first bounce.

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