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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.010828.726@nevada.edu> crail@nevada.edu (DONNA CRAIL-RUGOTZKE) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.225955.10215@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>Suppose he really IS going to hell. Is it immoral to tell him
>>the truth?
>
>Unless you are God or Satan, how would you know who is going
>to heaven or hell?    
It is quite common for Christians to say that they know God exists, what
he wants, etc. Convincing them that they believe, not know, is essentially
impossible. I see your point, but it's useless in this instance.
-Ekr


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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Deborah Maraziti (aka Spacee))
Subject: Re: 1957 USA Scout Jamboree
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:27:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.191135.9326@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck) writes:
>
> One last question is I just started collecting patches from the jamborees in
>the last 7 years. I was wondering if people collected books like this and what
>the value might be?  Do they still give or sell booklets like this to scouts 
>that attend today's jamborees?

In July, the Girl Scout Council of Hawaii held a four day jamboree at
Schoefield Barracks.  Despite some site difficulties, we had a wonderful
time and brought home a lot of paraphenalia to show for it!  One item
each girl recieved was a "Memory Book" containing song lyrics, puzzles,
and drawings.  We did not, however, receive any kind of picture book
or a guarantee that one would be mailed to us.  One group photo was
taken, but I think that it is intended for a wall calendar.  
	A side note:  how many GS councils hold their own jamborees?
This year was the 75th anniversary of Girl Scouting in Hawaii, and 
this jamboree was held in honor of it.  Other councils I've been involved
with haven't had jamborees on this scale.  Has there ever been a 
Girl Scout National Jamboree?



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From: omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:29:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In <1992Sep8.235056.10764@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

>>I dunno depend on you really.
>Huh?

Whoops that should be depends...  Ekr, you are really slick.. Are you
sure you aren't a lawyer or a politician..  I had to read each and
everyone of your articles to find out where you stand and I'm still
not sure *sheesh*....  Anyway I'm clear enuf to deal with this (I
think) so here goes...

Now (for clarities sake) I'm gonna repeat somethings let me know if
I'm wrong...

The begining: The golden rule: Do unto others as you'd have them do to you.

You say: this makes it ok to cocerce other into doing what you want
them to do.

We say: bullshit!

That works right?

     Well, then (rather than some long arguement).  Say I see some
cute guy and say to myself if I were straight I would want to be made
gay so I could sleep with him".  Does that give me the right to find a
straight boy and force him to have sex with that guy?  No of course
not.  The golden rule here can be used against itself.  It says that
You should not force someone to do what they don't want to do because
you wouldn't want people forcing you to do things that you wouldn't
want to do..  I.E. a christian being forced to kill their child.  Now
you can say Oh, if I were sick I would want somebody to heal me, BUT
that assumes that you are sick.  What you beleive is irrelevant.  You
cannot force someone to get "well" because you *think* they are sick
the golden rule say not to force people to do something against their
will..  If they said "I'm sick help me" thats different.

*take that and shove it in your holy hard-drive*

I'm outta here.. 
sorry for all the typos but the system load is too high to bother to
check for them... :)

Have A Day
-Eftsne (Olu)
*Vox Domini*

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From: davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU (<y>ork)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Discrimination in Scouting
Summary: Is ban on Females, Homosexuals, Atheist World Wide?
Keywords: Scouting Descrimination
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:32:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

With all the concern over the Boy Scouts of America's policies on
discriminating against girls in Scouting, Atheist in Scouting, and
Homosexuals (youth and adult) in Scouting, I was wondering if other Scout
Organizations (world wide) also discriminate on these criteria?  I am
asking for information only, because I figure this is the quickest way to
appease my curiosity on this matter.  E-mail or follow up postings will be
appreciated.

Thanks,

York

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From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: Crossposting articles with rec.scouting (was Re: BofA and UW ...)
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: Illini Mastication Society
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:18:07 GMT

mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:

> In article <AWERLING.92Sep3152303@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu
> (WERLING) writes:
> > It has to do with scouting, therefore it's appropriate for the group.

> rec.scouting != BSA
> If you want to discuss BSA-related issues, perhaps a rec.scouting.bsa
> group is appropriate.

Wrong.  You might as well say I shouldn't discuss a Mac IIsi in 
comp.sys.mac.hardware, because it is a specific instance of Macintosh
hardware, and not Mac hardware in general.  BSA is a specific subset
of scouting, and therefore can be discussed here, unless we create a 
specific group for its discussion, and change the charter of this group
to exclude the BSA.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<hill.715545655@galena12> <Bu9nHs.LL9@unix.amherst.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:24:52 GMT

In article <Bu9nHs.LL9@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

-   Anyone care to prove that religion is inborn rather than learned?

Of course it's inborn.  Whether or not people use religion to hide
their bigotry, however, is a choice.

--
Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   yip@rever.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mayne@pi.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Subject: Re: Boards of Review
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:06:44 GMT

In article <1709@necis.UUCP> mgodbout@necis.UUCP (Marc Godbout) writes:
>I've been told that when participating in a board of review, the reviewers
>should not spend any time grilling the scout on scout knowledge, but should
>more or less talk to him about his plans and goals.  I was wondering what other
>troops do.  What do you think the board of review is supposed to accomplish?
>Should we be preparing the scout for the Eagle board of review (whatever that
>is)?  How do you decide if the scout is ready or not for advancement?
>Thanks for any help you may have.

I write only from my experience as a scout.  My understanding has
always been that the primary function of a board of review is to review
what the scout has done to fullfil the requirements for the rank to be
granted. "Grilling" may be too strong a term for this.  When I was a
scout it was usual for others to ask a scout coming out of a board of
review "Did you pass." It was understood as a kind of final exam, the
one time when all requirements were formally considered together. Of
course the scout master should not send a scout to a board of review
unless he is ready. This procedure also motivates the scout to review
what he has done, gives him a chance to tell some authority figures
about his project, etc. Giving encouragement for future advancement is
good, and maybe a test of scout spirit, maturity, and planning. But the
main function is to review past work leading up to the new rank. I always
left a board of review with a feeling of accomplishment and a test passed.
I think that is important for the boys.

Bill Mayne
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From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:07:21 GMT
	<AWERLING.92Sep7175340@dante.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Sep8.003336.26448@cs.yale.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Sep8.003336.26448@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

-   In article <AWERLING.92Sep7175340@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
 
- >Amen, Kathy, Amen!
  
- To be honest, what you happen to think about the etiology of sexual
- preference is of approximately zero relevance to the truth about
- what controls sexual preference. People are notoriously bad judges
- of their own psychology.

You are right about that, but I think we would know if we were child
molesters, etc.

--
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"Jesus is coming, look busy."
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Crossposting articles with rec.scouting (was Re: BofA and UW ...)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:50:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.161704.7350@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:
>
>In article <AWERLING.92Sep3152303@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu
>(WERLING) writes:
>>
>> It has to do with scouting, therefore it's appropriate for the group.
>
>rec.scouting != BSA
>
>If you want to discuss BSA-related issues, perhaps a rec.scouting.bsa
>group is appropriate.

Gee, you had me fooled.  So if the BSA doesn't fit into rec.scouting,
what does?  Famous scouts in the past?  My favorite is Sacajaweea for
her outstanding work with the Lewis and Clark expedition.  I believe
she was breastfeeding an infant while she was scouting.

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: lalibr@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Ron Scott Laliberte)
Subject: Re: Scouting now that you are in College
Keywords: Alpha Phi Omega
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:18:45 GMT

 As requested:

The address of the Alpha Phi Omega National Office is
19401 E. 42nd St.
Independence, MO 64055-9932


  Where is he headed?  Perhaps I know people there...
  
Be a Leader, Be a Friend, Be of Service (the APO Motto)
Vivs
EZ Cor Sec
From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Je
Keywords: story sounds fishy
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:33:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Sep4.213359.855
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


In article <1992Sep04.031309.130060@zeus.calpoly.edu>, Chrome Jester writes:
|> daveh@ka3uzr.UUCP (Dave Hultberg  ) divulges:
|>->
|>->I think there is something wrong with your story here.  The Order of the 
|>->Arrow is an honor camping society and absolutely nothing to do with 
|>->disciplining scouts or scouters.  Even Law Enforcement Explorer Posts are 
|>->forbidden to participate in detaining anyone.  I also don't see how your 
|>->friend could be forced to attend any hearing.  The unit committee or the 
|>->council could invite him to the meeting, but they have no legal powers to 
|>->compell anyone to attend.  Having said that, being a leader in the BSA is 
|>->not a right.  You serve at the pleasure of your chartering organization and
|>->the BSA organization.  A decision of the local council can also be appeale 
|>->to the national council.  If you friend is gay there isn't much chance that
|>->national would reinstate him.  I'm sorry for the pain that this has caused 
|>->him, but I also think you have the story at least a little mixed up.
|> 
|> This is what was reported to me first hand by him.  Now, either you are
|> calling me a liar or you are calling my friend a liar.  I do not appreciate
|> either claim.

Sorry to pick on you, sir, but this is precisely why these discussions get
nowhere.  Dave's message is nothing but factual, with disclaimers included,
and is no more than a request for clarification.  Nowhere did he call anyone a
liar, and your conclusion is not only erroneous, but an example of a flagrant,
unwarranted personal attack.  May I suggest that you do a little reading on
interactive learning skills training, especially as it relates to group
behavior?  There are a number of consulting companies who produce such material
for TQM programs.


|> The point of the article, however, was not to engender pity for my friend,

Nor did he express pity, but sorrow.

Rich


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From: rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Camp Raven Knob, North Carolina
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:40:05 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

We had the same situation about 3 years ago. The first year we teamed up with
a local troop in the area and went to Camp Rock Enon near Winchester Va.. 
It was cheaper than Goshen (all the camps we went to cost about $25 less per boy
than Goshen) but Goshen offered many more facilities.
We also went the last week and ended up getting all the leftovers for meals 
which wasn't so great.  
   
   The next year we went to Camp Raven Knob, near Mt Airy, North of Winston-Salem
area. This camp was great. We hiked to the top of the knob on evening the boys
really liked it. We had on new older scout that joined and he did horseback all
week.  The camp had a lake for swimming instead of a pool which was the only
complaint that the boys had (only 2 of the 12 boys were swimmers anyway). Staff
was friendly, and the Px was nice.  They had a wide range of merit badges offered
some as I recall were not offered at Goshen (and vice versa).  The OA tap in cermony
was the best that I ever saw.... Really.   In addition we spent an extra day to go
there and took the boys to Petersburg National Park (in Va), camped the night in
Greensboro, NC and the morning before checking into camp went to Guildford National
Park ( in Greensboro).

  The next year we went to Camp Davy Crockett between Johnson City and Jefferson 
City.  I would rate it with Goshen except I don't remember if it offered a 
High Adventure like Goshen. 

  This year we finally went to Goshen and the boys really enjoyed it. Only one
of the older scouts when for High Adventure this year.

  Next year is open for discussion maybe Raven Knob again but the older boys
want to do either the High Adventure at Goshen or a different camp.  We're open for
suggestions......
From: salerno@ast.dsd.northrop.com (Peter Salerno)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: What is an Eagle Scout?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:07:40 GMT
Organization: Northrop Corp - ESD, Rolling Meadows, IL

In article <unixwiz.716010543@mcl> unixwiz@mcl.ucsb.edu (Silk) writes:
>However, to every Eagle Scout I know, (myself included) it means a lot
>more. It is the achievement of a lifetime, and something to be extremely
>proud of.  When less than 10% (feel free to correct me..) of all BSA
>members actually achieve the rank of Eagle Scout, it is indeed a rare
>honor.

   I have seen numbers from 1.5% to 2% of the boys who start in Scouting
will earn Eagle.

  And Yes, it means a lot to me. 

                            pete
              salerno@ast.dsd.northrop.com         
                 Northrop opinion, NOT!!           
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jce@cs.scarolina.edu (James C. Evans)
Subject: Re: Spliting the group
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:38:12 GMT

kathy@oracorp.com (Kathy Knight) writes:

>So, the group gets split into any number of smaller groups, each
>dedicated to a specific area because people are tired of having to
>kill articles in the newsgroup because of the subject matter.  Then
>we'll have any number of smaller groups complaining because a
>discussion is going on and their particular newsgroup has been added
>to a long list of other newsgroups, thus making it necessary to kill
>the articles.


>The circle could get rather vicious, could it not?

I'll support either keeping the charter as it is, or a fair split into
rec.scouting.policy/rec.scouting.program (or something equivalent).
But what about this approach: how about making rec.scouting
or rec.scouting policy, as the case may be, moderated,
but only to the extent of not allowing cross-posting to it?  The
idea is that if you are interested enough to post on rec.scouting,
then you should be interested enough to subscribe.

Chris Evans
jce@ocean.geol.scarolina.edu
From: unixwiz@mcl.ucsb.edu (Silk)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: What is an Eagle Scout?
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:49:03 GMT

The rank of Eagle Scout is one of the highest obtainable by a BSA youth.

It requires a minimum of 2 years, and 21 merit badges covering citizenship,
physical fitness, survival, emergency preparedness, and practical
knowledge.  In addition, an Eagle Scout must have prepared and directed a
project of benefit to the community.

However, to every Eagle Scout I know, (myself included) it means a lot
more. It is the achievement of a lifetime, and something to be extremely
proud of.  When less than 10% (feel free to correct me..) of all BSA
members actually achieve the rank of Eagle Scout, it is indeed a rare
honor.

Ken Mencher
Eagle Scout '90
T627, Cypress, CA
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:06:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <4SEP199213465181@jane.uh.edu>, st1lv@jane.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
> >  Fine.  Than I presume you are in favor of homosexual troop
> >  leaders, same-sex marriages, and gays in the military.  
> > 
> ...but I do feel it is my right of free
> association to join my child in an organization that minimizes the risk of 
> child abuse (i.e. same sex straight adult leaders).

I assume you are yet another person who is unaware of the statistics that
prove that MOST child abusers -- in AND out of the BSA -- are heterosexuals?
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jmcc@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (John McCollum)
Subject: Re: Current Batch of Uniforms
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.213059.8681@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> mwilson@orl.mmc.com writes:
>Is it just me? Is there someone else out there who thinks that the current 
>(BSA) uniform shorts are cut too short? I've had complaints from mothers and 
>boys in my troop. It's hard to encourage complete uniforms when a part of it 
>makes people uncomfortable.
>
>While we're at it. What ever happened to the garters for the knee socks. It
>seems that they still can't make the socks so they can stay up on their own.
>Even if they wanted to do away with the flashes, they could have kept the
>garters and do away with the sock tug of war (the socks always win).
>
>PS: The long pants are not an option for a summer (March to November) in
>the heart of Florida with 80-90 degree days and 90-100 percent humidity.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark Wilson 
>Eagle Class of 1974
>SM, Troop 565, Deltona, FL
>
  Mark, are you really able to get your scouts to keep their socks pulled
up?  Here in Texas, the current fad is to push the sock down to the ankles.
Our boys wouldn't be caught dead with them pulled all the way to the knees.

John McCollum
ASM Troop 895
Circle Ten Council
Richardson, Tx

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