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From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:45:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr12.150826.24632@cs.hw.ac.uk> wells@cs.hw.ac.uk writes:

> In article <1992Apr10.220409.19834@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >
> >In article <65193@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David
> >Stevenson) writes:
> >
> >>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) reports:
> >
> >>>I have certainly seen some attractive images of men wearing boots, a hat,
> >>>and very little else. 
> >
> >>Finger nail polish?
> >
> >Intriguing scents in their skin-fold areas! :-)
> nipple-rings ?? :-)

Tattoos.
Hair spray.
A frilly apron.
Leg warmers.
Decorative tooth caps.
And a big, big smile!

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:11:19 GMT

In <muBwiB2w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

>I just got access to the Internet, a simple 2400 7E1 login with
>Telnet.  I played around tonight on the After Five BBS for a while.
>Pretty neat!


>Where are some places that are favorite hangouts for GLB* folks?


I recommend ISCA-BBS (address grind.isca.uiowa.edu or 
isca01.isca.uiowa.edu, login as iscabbs and follow the
instructions provided.)  It's a mock-Citadel board, with
a public room called Lesbigay and a private (queers only)
room called Queerspace.  You'll have to send mail to the
user named `Ender' to get access to QS.  Very Gay positive
environment.

PS.  On ISCA I'm known as Dark Angel.

---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:58:22 GMT

In article <3308@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.094533.19745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
>Minar) writes:
>
>>My own opinion of the quality of conversation on IRC is that it's not
>>very good. Most of the people there are bored undergraduates. 
>
>Maybe we could pick a time, open a channel, and have a soc.motss
>get-together without the Portland sometime.

Even better than that, let's start a newsgroup for gay issues, and
have a soc.motss .con _constantly_, all year-round.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:05:58 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
 >No hambo demonstration?  Darn.

Well, give me the music and I'll do the hambo demo.  Oh, 
yeah-- I'll need a partner; or should I bring my own?

Hmm-- is it possible to hambo motssishly?  Or is it one 
of those things where one has to be the man and the other
the woman (or, of course, vice versa).



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Addresses for Gay Lib Figures?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:33:27 GMT

This semester I'm taking a class on the history of homosexuality in
the West.  At the moment I'm trying to get in touch with a few people
who were particularly notable around the beginning of the gay and
lesbian liberation movements, for my final paper.  If anyone knows how
I could get in touch with Frank Kameny, Kate Millett, and/or Ti-Grace
Atkinson, I'd appreciate the help very much.  Thanks.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:41:45 GMT


In article <s50j8INNerv@agate.berkeley.edu>
gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:

>Ahh but it can be sooo useful !!  Like coming home at two or three am,
>not waking up your SO, tiptoe around getting ready for bed.  Then you
>crawl very slowly into bed and attack !!  It's quite nice to see that
>shocked look ;-)   

The better SOs, of course, being no dummies, know enough to
feign sleep even if you're clattering around like a herd of
wildebeests, so that you both can enjoy the illusion that
you surprised them.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: kimpl@soda.berkeley.edu (peter lee kim)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: a lament
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:37:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s0vo4INNs4m
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

i sit here in my bedroom as my love/boyfriend/lover/friend/partner
(would that there was truly a single word to describe our loving
bond) turns in for bed.  i have been reading news, and i am sorely
depressed at all the hate that is flowing from the fingers of the 
smallmindedhatefulpeople.

i lament the fact that they are so determined to paint all of us
in such ugly colors.  they stand there with their eyes seeing
what they would see, but not what is truly to be seen.  they would
tell us that we are unhappy, unbalance, and ungodly.  they have
not even asked us how we feel.  they have not asked who we are.
they have not seen how we live our lives.  except for what their 
narrow minds would see, and in doing so, they deny the integrity
of our lives, they deny our love, they deny our very humanity.

we are people.  we stand before the world, not to be judged, but
to live our lives as we are able.  no more, no less.  we do not need 
to prove anything to the world, but the blind would have us
waste our time doing so.  we know the reality of our love and our
lives.  what needs be done is the healing/opening of their eyes and
hearts.  we are faced with a fight not of our choosing, but one we
dare not shy away from.  we do not fight to validate our lives.  we
do not fight to prove them wrong.  we do not fight to win our place
in the world.  we fight to open their eyes to the truth that we
each live daily.  we validate our own lives.  we know the truth.
we have our place.   deny it as they try.

peter kim -whose heart is heavy this night
kimpl@soda.berkeley.edu
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:54:55 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Distribution: na
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Apr5.220055.4006@agora.uucp> rickc@agora.uucp (Rick Coates) writes:
> ^^^^^^^
>Hmmm...  I haven't read it in over a quarter of a century, but I
>remember vividly the book 'Red Planet', about two adolescent boys
>having an adventure on Mars.  No doubt it was my own wishful
>thinking and over-active twelve year old glands, but those two
>seemed _awfully_ close.  I loved that book.


This reminds me of a book I've read several times and liked a lot.

It's called "Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers", and it's by
Harry Harrison (author of the Stainless Steel Rat series).

It's a great comic send-up of space operas.  The basic plot:

These two All-American college football stars and a gorgeous woman
(whom they both date) rig the football team's private jet for space
travel and jet off to explore the universe.  They do all sorts of
bizarre things, and at the end........  it turns out that the two
All-American boys are an ITEM, and have been all along.

Harrison's attitude is fairly clearly one of easy-going tolerance,
although to say that it extends to true enlightenment on the
basis of that one book is difficult to say.


Lost in Space,

Michelle Elliott
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:09:51 GMT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce):
> >>Maybe we could pick a time, open a channel, and have a soc.motss
> >>get-together [on IRC] without the Portland sometime.
> > 
> > Even better than that, let's start a newsgroup for gay issues, and
> > have a soc.motss .con _constantly_, all year-round.
> 
> well, someone post a date and a time.  i played with IRC.  once.
> "HATED IT!"  but a soc.motss chat might be really interesting...

I did manage to find my way to After Five BBS, a MUD with a Bourbon
Street theme.  Maybe we could all meet sometime at La Cage Aux Folles?
It's just up the street and on the right, if I remember correctly...



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.115646.39140@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable) writes:

>Ah yes, Joanna Russ.  When _The Female Man_ first came out
>I found it totally unreadable (it isn't plotted in any
>fashion I was used to).  I like it better every time I
>reread it.

For my Science Fiction class, we read a short story by Russ entitled
"When It Changed," which we were told was the (unpublished?) short
that inspired her to write THE FEMALE MAN.  My professor concurs with
your opinion of THE FEMALE MAN, and much preferred "When It Changed."
Since it is only a few pages long, and I am led to understand that it
was not published, I may post it later if there is interest.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mlw@sunfs3.Camex.COM (Michelle Wheeler)
Subject: Maui
Followup-To: mlw@bos.camex.com
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 14:03:48 EDT

Hello out there!  My lover and I will be going to Maui the second week
in May for a couple of weeks and are looking for a gay guest house
that has efficiencies.  We would like a mixed Lesbian and Gay place in
the $80 a night price range. We would rather be able to cook our own
food than to have to pay ridiculous prices for food.  Has anyone out
there been to Maui and do you have any contacts you might be able to
share with me?  I'd also be interested in any suggestions on things to
do and places to go.  I'd love to hear your experiences there.  Please
respond to me at mlw@bos.camex.com and thank you in advance!
From: ddaniel@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us (D. Daniel Sternbergh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: movie review
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:46:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: xymox.1992Apr7.154622.679
Organization: Stanford University, Scool of Enginereing

In article <1992Apr3.212928.22763@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele) writes:
>yes, but how did edward and his lover "act"?  the revue in the paper, which
>said pretty much the same as you, went on to point out how the gay characters
>were somewhat 'swishy' and how this was consistent with the general portrayal
>of gay men and lesbians in hollywood productions that has currently caused so
>much controversy, and has received considerable discussion here.  (is that a
>run on sentence, or what?)

Disclaimer: I am dying to see the movie but, having missed its recent
run at the Castro, have not yet.

It seems kind of odd to compare Jarman's films to "general portrayal
in Hollywood productions", since those of his films I have seen seem
pretty un-Hollywood.  Unabashedly gay, for example, seems to be a
characteristic I would expect of Jarman's Edward which could hardly be
applied to just about any Hollywood film, much less "Hollywood in
general".

Also, the review in the SF Chronicle mentioned that one of the
departures from Marlowe that Jarman emphasized was that Edward and
Piers were both very masculine, Piers being a renowned jouster and
Edward being very involved in the physical groundskeeping.  While the
relationship was present in the Marlowe play, it continued, the
characters were portrayed in a less pointedly masculine manner.

Can't offer my own opinion, but from what the Chronicle review said,
and from Jarman's portrayals of the gay protagonists in "Caravaggio",
for example, it sounds like the reviewer you quote may have a few
lights out in his marquee.

Daniel
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod)
Subject: TRACKS Virgin
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:01:05 GMT

Last night I went to Tracks.  I'd never been there or to any other gay club.   
Tracks is supposedly one of the biggest clubs in the country.  The event was  
the Black Party.

It was okay.  You know, the fantasy (all the men coming over and asking you to  
dance) was not fulfilled, but a danced with a couple of cute guys (one in  
rubber from head to toe) and Sisterface (a really big fat guy in bikinis and an  
100% lace dress).  We got there at about 12 midnite and the music didn't get  
good until aroung 2am.  I went up to the DJ booth to meet the DJ and to my  
surprise he was a friend of mine.  I was getting pissed that he was playing so  
much sleaze (eurodisco/HiNRG) so he beefed it up a bit.  

The House of Aviance performed in the main room and they were pretty good.   
There were SO MANY leather guys around dancing and sweating.  I ended up hating  
what I wore (a really nice Macy's Batman shirt and basketball shorts).

So I've been deflowered to Tracks.  It wasn't that great, but it wasn't that  
bad either.  I should go more often ...

Lovegod
"Walked into the club, threw my coat on the floor,
 and grabbed somebody for a quick dance.
 Boy or girl, it didn't matter.  Tonight I'm hot!"
                                  Prince ...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Thank You! :)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:16:08 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM:
> To those who mailed me and expressed their regret for the actions
> of others who appear to have no motive beyond causing problems...

if there really *is* someone on soc.motss who mailed a regret to this
little boy, please foward a copy to me.  i *really* want to meet you!
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thomas@acuson.com (Chris Thomas)
Subject: California:  Wilson opposes new rights bill
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:18:24 GMT

A report Thursday states that the Wilson administration is opposed to
AB 3825, one of the bills in the California legislature that would
provide anti-discrimination protection to gays, lesbians, and bisexuals
(among many other provisions).

AB 3825 passed the Assembly Labor Committee on Wednesday, and analysts
believe that it will pass the Assembly with little difficulty.  A more
difficult battle is expected, however, in the conservative state Senate,
which in 1991 passed AB 101 by the slightest of margins.

Bonnie Guiton, Gov. Wilson's secretary for consumer affiars, said 
Wednesday, "In its current form, we oppose the bill," adding, "But we
in no way see this as a closed issue."

At Wednesday's committee hearing, Assembly speaker Willie Brown brought
several persons who said they were victims of discrimination or
harassment, to reinforce the need to reaffirm the civil rights of all
Californians.

Nobody from the Governor's office attended the hearing.


-- 
Chris Thomas						(415) 694-5614
S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++          thomas@acuson.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: BearCode needed (Again!) (Sigh!)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  7 Apr 92 16:28:36 GMT

In <1992Apr4.160242.18578@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) writes:

>Could somebody please e-mail me a copy of the NBCS BearCode?  I have a friend
>who wants it, and I can't find my copy.

While you're at it, could you mail it to ME, too?  I don't have a copy,
either.
--

================== Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ==================
"You mean to say it is not yet finished?"
"No, sir.  I mean to say it is not yet begun."         (_1776_)
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:53:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.6wpjl3a.onr
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr6.125123.19486@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.173359.14148@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>
>>The point was to encourage NY/NJ to rescind its joke proposal and enter a
>>real one.
>
>Over dinner we agreed that we'd put one together for next year, right around
>the pride march

better make it good, what with the March on Washington happening in DC
next year, I suspect that Washington will have an edge!

LUX .. owen

-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:34:07 GMT

In article <ART.92Apr12202148@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>In article <s4lp9INNcsc@agate.berkeley.edu> gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>
>   What ?!?!  Did you somehow sleep through the 80s ??  Most of the work
>   on AIDS was done by doctors who gave a shit and faught with the Raygun
>   administration for funds.
>
>This is a flat lie.  The fact is that AIDS gets the second highest
>research funding for all diseases, second only to cancer.  This has been
>the situation for at least the last five years.  Two of those five
>budgets were submitted by Reagan.

Sure.  What, seven years into his presidency and the AIDS epidemic?
Nice sense of timing, that man had.

>  Then there's the brilliant CDC that still
>   doesn't believe women get it.
>
>Another lie.

It's called hyperbole, m'man.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Siting Cons (was Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal)
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 15:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.114423.21310@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) writes:
|> That too.  I've been surprised pleasantly any number of
|> times that a place I thought would be awful has turned out
|> to be quite nice.  In the case of a motss.con, the place is
|> only part of it, the people being (one would think) the
|> *main* motivator.

I really don't understand this point... you mean you travel for the purpose of
visiting with the people who are there, and then figure out what, if anything,
you're going to do while you're there?  Or do you find "visiting" to be an
activity instead of a circumstance?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bill@psych.toronto.edu (Bill Pusztai)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:09:06 GMT



In the introduction to the first edition of _Dangerous Visions_, Harlan 
Ellison paraphrases H. to say, that the way he wrote his "children's
stories" was to write for adults and edit out the sex. Specific mention
was made of the Martian stories.

(just my 2d 'th)

 
 _____________________________oOo_______________________________
                               +
 bill@psych.toronto.edu  Bill Pusztai  B5/7 f+ t++ w++ g+ k- s+ p
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Goin' to Amsterdam
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:42:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

In article <1992Apr15.212755.16989@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>,
aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
|> we are planning to spend a week in Amsterdam, so 
|> Email me with your suggestions!


Please share them with us all.  Some of us have about a month
of vacation time saved up and are getting itchy about using
it...

m.


-- 
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 17:59:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.003456.22713@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
| In article <1992Apr9.231859.24634@flood.com> 
| tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
| >I enjoy *both* visiting with interesting people *and* going to
| >interesting places. Roger's problem is that he seems to think
| >interesting places are neccesarily indoors.
|
| Egad, is that a problem? :-)

Have you read the Portland proposal?  I'm desperately trying
to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
overflowing with chenille.  (Will I have to wear flats on these
hikes?)

Arne