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Subject: Re: Hello form Shanghai
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:32:52 +0000


In article <1992Dec6.081619.24240@cs.mcgill.ca> haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:

>>>Let me first assume I know nothing about network. But my basic 
>>>instinct (intuition) tells me that something must be wrong if
>>>a computer network involves a long distance phone number.

>>Nobody knows what you know and what you don't know and if you don't 
>>know what you don't know, I highly recommend you to keep your mouth 
^^^^^^^ this is one of the worst cases of double negatives I have ever seen!

>>of thousands of readers. "something must be wrong if a computer 
>>network involves a long distance phone number" - what a joke.
Ignor this guy, the network you mentioned didnt say if it was a Lan,Man or Wan.
but the later Wan, AKA World/Wide Area Network, this could incorporate a long 
distance phone call. imagine the midland bank, having a Wan and they have a branch
in Hong Kong, and a branch in england, and a branch in yanki land. then the
telephone calls would be imence to have a dedicated line open 24 hours for the
Wan, so when a yank goes to HK and wants some money from his account, the computer 
dials up the server and gets that guys account info, you see!
some Lan systems have a similar setup, within a city area, especialy with a CICs
system for a local authority.!!
 
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From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:25:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <920414170415@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, CHUCYJ@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
|> >jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >>In article <1992Dec9.025204.17338@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, iu051@cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:
|> >
|> >>Utterly simple-minded, in the 90's,  CCP is a bigger evil than the British as
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>far as HK is concerned, there is no REAL freedom, but the freedom and liberty
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>in HK is by far a lot higher than that under CCP rule.  What do you mean by
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>REAL freedom anyway? Tell me which country has it. If you just use the term
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>philosophical, then forget about it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >>Do you really want to sacrifice all the freedom, no matter how little as you
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>think we have in Hk, merely because of a simple-minded nationalistic sense,
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>this doesn't even mean that you are patriotic.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >If there is no REAL freedom, that means there are many many forms of freedom.
|> >Right?  ( - T H E  R E S T  D E L E T E D)
|> >
|> I do not understand this implication.  Can somebody justify it for me??
|> Maybe it is true if we arrange the statements in a slightly different way:
|> i.e. If there is only one form of freedom, then it is the REAL freedom.
|> I am confused in how this can chage 'philosophically' into the above statement
|> There are also many many forms of government systems (authoritarian, demo-
|> cractic, you name it), so there is no REAL government, and then no government
|> in this world is REAL and has the authority to rule??
|> 
|> Jim

Please be careful with the quoting, only those underlined belongs to me.
Thanks.

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: SHUMP@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Re: Xmas
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:28:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

>achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>
>
>>Hey!  Proud christian,
>
>>please show some respect for non christians,
>>(which would include more than 99% of all Chinese).
>>A less offensive greeting would be ...
>
>
>
>>     Happy Holidays.
>
>
>
>>Go back to your church and pray to your
>>white god.  Leave the rest of us alone.
>
>Hey!  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  God still loves you...:)  I am sure
>Jesus is not ticked off at all!  :D
>
>Steve
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How could you know that the God is white?
                                         perry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: ccp, should we support it
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:31:00 EST

In Article: <1992Dec9.150927.4484@eng.ufl.edu>
   Subject: CCP, should we support it?
      From: jfl@crow.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu) writes:


>That's why we do not get any respect from the western.

CCP's rhetorics do not get any respect from anyone.
Is the respect from the western that important to you?

How one respect oneself is more important than any other people's views.
Get it?

>We are worse than african although we have more than 100 times of
>natural resouse than africa.

Thanks to the CCP, it was true before the CCP loosened it's ironclad
grip on the Chinese people.

>In some sense, we are no difference between slave.

There are views on the net, some people rather to be the slaves of the
CCP, because "We are PATRIOTIC CHINESE!".

>That's why a lot of us still want a "Supreme judgement".

Speak for yourself! take a look at the following CND news:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Victims Challenge Post-1989.6.4 Purge
Forwarded by: Stephen Kam-Cheung Ng <skn1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Source: Agence France Presse, 12/9/1992

BEIJING -- For the first time, victims of the massive purge that
followed the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown have criticized China's
leadership for going too far and demanded it "correct its mistake."

More than 15 government officials, party members and intellectuals met
here late last month to voice their opposition to the post-1989
repression, hitherto a taboo subject, participants told AFP.

Three of them wrote open letters to the leadership relaying their
demands, but have yet to receive a reply. The authors were two
director-level

but have yet to receive a reply. The authors were two director-level
officials, just below the minister-level, and a Beijing University
lecturer.

"We believe the purge made the mistake of going overboard. It targetted
many comrades who support reform, preventing them from playing a role in
the process of reform," the separate letters were quoted as saying.
"Therefore, we ask the leadership to correct its mistake in a timely
way,"

........................................................................

>A lot of us still feel good even the "SUPREME" judgement come from
>a "gold" hair racist.

Can you explain the relationship betwween "gold hair" and racist?
A Chinese friend of mine has married a blonde girl ("gold hair" in your
words), She is definitely not racist. I have many friends and colleques
are blondes, they are not racist by any means. So what is your logic?

>Will you respect someone who always cry for "SUPREME" judgement just
>like a baby?

To be respected by a dummy is not a complement!

>May be all of these can make the racist so happy that he truly believe
>that he(US) is supreme.

It seems that the hardliners of the CCP is running out of useful dogs.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui)
Subject: Forged Account Name
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:56:31 GMT

Recently, someone suggested that some account likes "J*** C*** 1234" could
be forged. Apparently, I received a mail from "J*** C*** 2" from an account
within my campus.

I used "finger @@node_name" to check the user information. However, I
could get the information about many users but not the one who mailed to
me. I asked the people around, they said the account would probably 
be "forged". From my short stay in soc.culture.hongkong, I have never 
experienced such matter. 

Some people from PRC even said it was natrual and around 30% of the 
postings used forged account name. [I don't know what groups he reads, but
you can have your wild guess.]

Anyway, does anyone out there have such experienced on forged account?

BTW, what kind of mentality is that to used a forged account name to
post/mail something could be insulting? Is it usual for the computer
administration to ban such forging?

[P.S. : I am posting from my REAL account!]
 
-- 
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Humphrey Hui                      :  Have you taken a risk lately?
HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au      :  Life is boring without risk!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Warning to CCP Running Dogs
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:57:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong

In article <3484@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
[deleted]
 
> Anthony, this article doesn't quite sound like from you. I
> read many articles of yours before you are dragged into this
> 'flame war', and I have the opinion that you are a more
> sensible person.
> For one thing the words 'running dogs' even myself (suppose
> to be 'antique ' in thinking) would not use.
> 
> Cool it Anthony, I don't think you quite got the History right.
> Dr. Sun didn't succeed in his 'revolution' was because he was
> 'PLAYED OUT' by the western nations - primarily USA & British
> . In facts the western nations at that time weren't interested
> whether China would be a democratic country or communist country
> or whatever. They only wanted to see a WEAK & DIVIDED China !
> Please don't get carry away, please don't let prejudices
> obscure your thinking.
> 
> Though I don't like CCP, I still give a lot of credits to Mr. Deng
> Xiaping. Who else can manage a country like China in its present
> state ? I would like China return to some form of controlled
> democracy when its economy is better & the literacy rate is higher.
> Otherwise the poor & the illiterate would be totally exploited !
>  
> Surely you wrote this out of great emotions. Why don't you hope 
> for smooth transition to Democracy when its economy reaches 
> certain mark ? Anything short of smooth transition would
> surely bring about massive losses of lives, & HK people
> will not be spared either.
-- 

Of cause we hope a smooth transition in China.  However, a more
self-determined political system in HK can shield the instability of
China and give less damage to HK if something goes wrong.
For example, the present relation between the HK business
persons with Mainland Chinese officials can create great damage
to HK if those people will be charged by other groups in Mainland.

In terms of the democracy in China, I have no idea which is the
best way to implement.  But, in HK, I just cannot find any
justify reasons why Mainland oppose.

Since you make a lot of opposite postings for many HKites' posting,
where we mostly are talking about the changes in HK, can you make
clear what you think about the democratic reform in HK?  And how
is your opinion about the Mainland's oppostion to HK's reform?

Finally, I don't know if you are just too bore so that you just
posting opposite argument or yelling sentences to HKites' postings
or you are really want to say something.

Raymond Kwok
From: shaolin@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: test, please ignore
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:36:13 GMT
Reply-To: SHAOLIN@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

test posting. aiy yi yi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lamx5870@mach1.wlu.ca (lewis lam)
Subject: Re: Looking for a watch!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:09:16 GMT

> 
>   Could anyone tell me where I can find some special watches -- run 
> counter-clockwise?  My friend he's been looking for this a long time but 
> couldn't find any in HK.  I thought we must have in the United States.  
>

I am interested on that kind of watch too!! 
If anyone has any info. about that, please 
either post here or e-mail to me.

Thankx in advance

e-mail: lamx5870@mach1.wlu.ca 

P.S. I would like to say 'Thankx' to the guy ( who studies in 
     YORK UNIVERSITY but not quite sure ) who mail me the picture
     of 'NORIKO SAKAI'. Also, if anyone has such kind of picture,
     you are welcome to e-mail to me too.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kcfcheng@napier.uwaterloo.ca (frankie cheng)
Subject: Re: QC Old Boys
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.012643.13371@news.unomaha.edu>, kwans@cwis.unomaha.edu (Siuon Kwan) writes:
> As a QCOB, I am interested to get in touch with other QCOBs
> in the States or other parts of the world.  
> 
> My name is Andy (siu-on) Kwan. 
> I graduated in 1987 from QC and went to 
> University of Hawaii for my undergraduate.  Right now,
> I am doing a master in psychology at the University of Nebraska.
> 
> Look forward to hear from you, QCOB.
> You can send an E-mail to my account:
> 
> KWAN@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU  or
> 
> KWAN%CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU@UNLVAX1
> 
> 
> Andy


Hi qcboy;
   We have our qcnet set up many months ago, If you want more info. , you can
send email to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo)
Subject: Words of wisdom for the day 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:15:11 GMT

	Here's a joke about one of my all time idols, Albert
Einstein and VMS 4.0(the operating system I studied and used
at uni):

	It appears that after his death, Albert Einstein found
himself working as the doorkeeper at the Pearly Gates. :) One
slow day, he found that he had time to chat with the new
entrants. To the first one he asked, "what's your IQ?" The new
arrival replied, "190!" So, they discussed Einstein's theory of 
for hours. When the second new arrival came, Einstein once again
inquired as to the newcomer's IQ. The answer this time came "120".
To which Einstein replied, "tell me, young man, how did the cubs  
do this year?" and they proceeded to talk for half an hour or so.
To the final arrival, Einstein once again posed the question, 
what's your IQ?". Upon receiving the answer "70", Einstein smiled
and asked, "Got a minute to tell me about VMS 4.0?" :)

	Hahah, just for fun, no offense intended.

---Bye!
	Bill
### Welcome to William's Huggie Dictionary ### 
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   given directory or storage volume. "On UNIX, 'rm -r /usr'
   will NUKE everything in the usr filesystem." But not used for
   *accidental deletion*. Oppose {blow away}.  2. Syn. for {dike}
   which is applied to smaller things such as files, features, or
   code sections.  Often used to express a final verdict: "What do
   you want me to do with that *80-meg* {wallpaper} file?" :) "NUKE
   it!"  3. Used of processes as well as files; NUKE is a frequent
   verbal alias for 'kill -9' on UNIX.  4. On IBM PCs, a bug
   that results in *{fandango on core}* can trash the operating
   system, including the FAT(i.e. the in-core copy of the disk block
   chaining information). This can utterly scramble attached disks,
   which are then said to have been "NUKEd". This term is also used
   of analogous lossages on Mac's and other micros without memory
   protection. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: n2681221@dec4.ncku.edu.tw ()
Subject: hello hongkong
Organization: NCKU Tainan Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:27:20 GMT




Hi hongkong !
Merry christmas !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mho@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael C Ho)
Subject: Looking for someone?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: The Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:51:55 GMT

To everyone who saw this message,

	I have lost contact of couple of my friends out there, could anyone
tell me their email address or tell them to get one if they are in the same
school as you are.  These are the people I am looking for:

	Susan Kan in Penn State U and she is a Freshman
	Waltz Chung ( I am not quiet sure if that is her last name but I
think that her first name is unique enough) in Arizon U or U of C at
Riverside and she should be a sorophmore or junior.

I am also looking for anyone that come from St. Joseph College in Hong Kong,
I am one of them too.  I left Hong Kong when I am in Form 3 and I am a
freshman now.  If anyone found out information about them, please
write me a email and tell me, thanks in advance.

My return address are:  mho@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu or
			chang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu or
			chang@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu

Sending mail to any of these accounts will reach me. Thank you for anyone's
help!

Ben


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:31:54 GMT

In article <3466@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
[deleted] 
> 

> Oh ya, comparing with Somalia, Burma eh ? It may be better for you
> because you could exploit your fellowmen & serve your master at the same
> time. But to the millions poor hongkongers, what is there to shout
> about ?  

 
Please read the whole Pattern proposal.  It includes many welfare
improvments.  The democratic groups suggest, fight for, and support
the welfare improvement for a long long time (even before 1984).
For people to respect you, please get more facts before you jump
to the conclusions.  


>>other places. Don't worry about idealology, HK's society doesn't need it to
>>function properly. Let me say this, I have a fair amount of contact with the 
>>British people (I lived in UK for a fair amount of time) and I know what their 
>>attitudes are. 
> 
> Of course you have served your master well & with dedication. 
> I am not talking about the British people by & large, my friend.
> 
>>You are suggesting something indeed, not to trust the British since they have
>>wrong doings. This is totally impractical for a person living in the 90s.
> 
> You seem to have comprehension problem here . I am saying that up
> to this very moment, the British still have that 'supremacy' attitudes
> & they they only do things to their own interests.
> 
> It baffles me too how a person living in the 90s can be so blinded
> & faithful.
> 
[other deleted]

I don't think we should use 'supremacy' attitudes to judge either British
or Chinese Governemnt.  It think you should drop the thinking of "don't yet
British get any benefit".  I perfer to think the issues as mutual benefits.


Raymond Kwok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo)
Subject: Re: Words of wisdom for the day 
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:37:58 GMT

In article <9235313.26997@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo) writes:
>	Here's a joke about one of my all time idols, Albert
>Einstein and VMS 4.0(the operating system I studied and used
>at uni):
>
>	It appears that after his death, Albert Einstein found
>himself working as the doorkeeper at the Pearly Gates. :) One
>slow day, he found that he had time to chat with the new
>entrants. To the first one he asked, "what's your IQ?" The new
>arrival replied, "190!" So, they discussed Einstein's theory of 
							       _^_	
	Oh, no! *Relativity* is the missing word there...
	Sorry. :(

>for hours. When the second new arrival came, Einstein once again
>inquired as to the newcomer's IQ. The answer this time came "120".
>To which Einstein replied, "tell me, young man, how did the cubs  
>do this year?" and they proceeded to talk for half an hour or so.
>To the final arrival, Einstein once again posed the question, 
>what's your IQ?". Upon receiving the answer "70", Einstein smiled
>and asked, "Got a minute to tell me about VMS 4.0?" :)
>
>	Hahah, just for fun, no offense intended.
>

	Bill
### Welcome to William's Huggie "C" & "C--" Bible ###
Chapter One - How to program in "C"
1. Use lots of global variables.
2. Give them cryptic names such as: bill34, a_gcl, or stuff. 
3. Put everything in one large .h file(important!)
4. Implement the entire project at once!
5. Use macros and #defines to emulate Pascal.
6. Assume the compiler takes care of all the little details you don't
   understand.
7. Compile the program with an assembler and link it!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: xxmok@utagraph.uta.edu (xxmok)
Subject: Testing
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
 
        I want to post something!!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:17:40 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: HKites should have our own WILL!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:08:38 GMT

Why so many people impose their own ideas to HK even though they
do not have real knowledge in HK?

After weeks of discussing with those people, I feel they are not
trying to understand HKites' view but just repeating their own
thinking.  I don't want to guess their motivation of doing
all these posting in SCHK, but the experience in these two
weeks really make me believe WE SHOULD FRIGHT FOR THE
DEMOCRACY IN HK.  If so many people in Western countries do
not try to understand the situration in HK, how can we
expect the people in Mainland China try to accept our
point of view and not to impose their ideas to us.

There are still a lot of hopes for HK to have the reform, don't
get desperated with those postings!

I want to see if someone can give a better suggestion to
treat those repeating postings.

Raymond Kwok

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: shafung@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung)
Subject: Re: Japanese Cartoon gif ftp site?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:10:10 GMT

>The main one in US is piggy.ucsb.edu
>it has over 100 or so Japanime stuff, including my favorites:
>	Gundam <wide selection from the many incarnations of Gundam>
>	KOR (Orange-Road)
>	Maisson
>	Dirty-Pair
>	BubbleGum Crisis
>	and many others...

Could you list the path name?
thanks.
From: farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: movies
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:53:47 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Dec10.143910.14188@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, hct2@Lehigh.EDU
(H. C. Tan) writes:
>Does anyone know of any good Chinese movies that has recently been released
>in the U.S.? If anyone knows of any good movies to rent then please suggest
>them to me. Thanks
>                                                                H.C.T.
Swordsman 2-Hyper Kinetic sword kung fu flick- Great!
Hardboiled- John Woo's action packed follow up to The Killer
Full Contact-Ringo Lam action thriller starring Chow Yun Fat.

All three of these films played in San Francisco Chinatown within the last 6
mos. If you look hard you can find them on tape in theBay Area.
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