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From: jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen)
Subject: Tuesday Results
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  9 Sep 92 05:41:48 GMT

Men

Ferreira d. E. Sanchez 6:2 6:4 2:6 6:4
Chang d. Washington 6:2 2:6 3:6 6:4 6:1
Edberg d. Krajicek 6:4 6:7 6:3 3:6 6:4
Lendl d. Becker 6:7 6:2 6:7 6:3 6:4 

Women

Seles d. Hy 6:1 6:2
Fernandez d. Sabatini 6:2 1:6 6:4


Comments: Boom-Boom-Time is over :-(((((((. It was an exciting match
which lasted 5 hours - after I heard no result in the radio news this
morning, I was very surprised that they were still playing and I could
watch the end of the fifth set at RTL. After he took the fourth set due
to a break to 3:1, Lendl broke again to lead 4:3 in the final set and
managed to hold his serve twice to win.
Now Steffi is again our last hope - I'm looking forward if she is able
to crush Sanchez (the last of the three Sanchez siblings :-)) today!
Go Steffi!!!!!!!
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From: adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Jen Capriati
Date: 7 Sep 1992 12:24:39 GMT
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In article <kleung.1djo@terapin.com>, kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung) writes:
|> 
|>      Someone wanted to know what happned to Jennifer Capriati.  Well, she
|> lost to Patricia Hy.  That is all I know, maybe someone else has more info
|> on the match.
|> 

   I didn't see the match, but the comments in the paper seemed to
   indicate that Patricia Hy threw lots of variety at Capriati and
   Jennifer was not up to the task.  Her ground strokes did not seem
   to have the usual zip to them and I think she had a lot of unforced
   errors. Hy definitely must have played the best match of her career 
   (and followed it up with a 4th round victory over Helena Sukova).

   During the MJ Fernandez/Pierce match last night, Tracy Austin was
   quite vocal about Pierce's lack of skill/strategy.  All Mary knows
   how to do is "hit hard and harder".  Tracy made the same comment
   last night about Capriati and felt that Jennifer may have run into 
   the same problem in her match against Hy.  When players like Capriati
   and Pierce get into trouble, all they know to do is hit harder (which
   usually results in tons of unforced errors).  It is probably not
   realistic to expect 16/17 year-olds to show lots of variety in their
   play.  But Tracy blames this "hit hard and harder" strategy on the 
   high-tech racquets.

   One has to wonder also if Capriati had her sights on her potential 
   quarter-final matchup against Monica Seles and looked past her 3rd 
   round opponent.

Anne (adolce@bbn.com)
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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: US Open - Men's finals (spoilers)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:14:06 GMT

>end.  And, of course, once he was two sets down, the injury
>to his ankle must have weighed heavily on whether Sampras
>should try to come back, and risk injury, or just lose the
>final.  It seemed he opted for the second.

If Sampras won the third set, the injury would be a no factor.
As soon as Sampras lost the third set, the match was over.

>  So, I think it was Edberg's mental toughness, combined
>with Sampras's declined play that helped Edberg win.
Agree that the mental toughness is the key but Edberg did play
his best match at final. The final would have been a great one
(a very good one already) if Sampras didn't feel beaten up after
the third set.

>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu
Quan
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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Number of Posts during US open
Organization: Brown University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:32:35 GMT

>If I remeber correctly,last year at about this time, there were 50 to 60
>posts a day to this newsgroup.  Does anyone have real numbers?

>Most of those posts were focused on Connor's run to the semis.

>This year the matches have been very good, but look at the few posts.

>jim taylor  Thinking Machines Corp    jpt@think.com

People may have more to talk about last year but we for sure have
much more good tennis to watch this year. I am glad it
turns out this way.

Quan"Finally, we have some real tennis to watch. Thank you, Lendl!"
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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: The Future of Women's Tennis
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:50:45 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.093933.13181@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
|> From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
|> Subject: The Future of Women's Tennis
|> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:39:33 GMT
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep8.021630.28950@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
|> >
|> >    Oh yes, let me get back to the match yesterday between
|> >Mary Pierce (originally of the US, but represents France)
|> >and Mary Joe Fernandez.  As Anne mentioned earlier, Tracy
|> >basically repeated the same sentiment that Shun has pointed
|> >out.  Namely, players hit too hard and go for winners, and
|> >don't know how to set up points.
|> 
|> No Tracy Austin didn't learn that from me :-).  Seriously, it is
|> very apparent the young women players only know to hit hard on
|> every stroke with virtually no strategy. As I pointed out before,
|> the four highest ranked teenagers all play this way: Seles,
|> Capriati, Huber and Pierce. Clearly it wins matches or Seles wouldn't
|> be #1 for over a year now. What separates Seles form the others
|> is that she has much better accuracy and consistency, and of course

	. . .

Let's all blame Bolitieri

[And let's eliminate all tie-breakers]
-- 
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

	...Wex
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From: bose@femto.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose)
Subject: Re: Carillo
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:30:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.193117.14655@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>
>   It's not really a complaint, but I do find Mary's choice of
>words bizarre.  For example, she likes saying that the players
>are hitting the ball crisply, or that one person is hitting
>a cleaner ball than the other.

What's wrong with her choice of words here?  Just because she doen't use the
same tired phrases that our ears have been so accustomed to hearing does
not, in my opinion, make her a prime candidate for lynching! [:-)]

> She mentioned at one point that
>Sampras was liquid (and Edberg, too) and Courier was solid and
>liquid was beating solid.   A little strange, for my tastes.

She was referring to the grace and fluidity of the finalists' movements on
court, compared to the athletic, high impact, motion of someone like Courier.
I thought it was a rather astute observation, but then we all have different
tastes ....

By the way, keep up the good work with the racket reviews.  I might base my
next racket-demoing decision on what you wrote!

Ashim


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From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Subject: Re: Grand Slam Cup
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.192236.9282@morrow.stanford.edu>, mou@nova1.stanford.edu (Alex Mou) writes:
> Now four GS's are finished...

..so it's time for the Davis Cup semi-final match between US and Sweden!

What a treat: Courier, Agassi, Sampras, McEnroe and Edberg will be playing,
which means 4 of the top 6 players will be here in Minneapolis Sep. 25-27.

Anyone on the net planning to go?  It's not snowing here -- yet! :-)

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>
From: prakash@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Hope Conners is gone soon
Date: 6 Sep 92 11:18:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.140036.61797@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.185245.6776@almserv.uucp> s5ugxk@fnma.COM writes:
>>Hope conners is gone from US open soon. I am already sick of this
>>glowing reports of connors beating a lowly ranked injured player.
>>Soon we will be seeing abuse of umpires saying " I am busting my ass
>>here and you are calling that ball out " and some such ridiculous
>>statements from him.
>>
>>I would like to see real tennis, not tennis based on how the lines
>>man should call a game based on age of the player.
>>
> 
> Yeah, and I am sure Jaime Oncins would love to see some real tennis also...
> Maybe he can watch it on TV....
> -- 
> David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
> VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"

	I'm not sure about Jaime Oncins but I would certainly have loved to see
an exciting 5th set tie-breaker between Korda and Sanchez rather than watch 
someone cut his 40th birth-day cake on Stadium court !!

Guru Prakash.  



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From: rbhatnag@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Rajat Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Women's Draw Updated
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:16:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <lamhqfINN43o@news.bbn.com> adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>The bottom four 4th round matches will be played today.
>
>
>               Seles (1) --------+  Seles
>                                 |--------+
>            G. Fernandez --------+        |
>                                          |--------+
>             Sukova (13) --------+        |        |
>                                 |--------+        |
>                      Hy --------+   Hy            |
>                                                   |--------+
>            Sabatini (4) --------+ Sabatini        |        |
>                                 |--------+        |        |
>               Appelmans --------+        |        |        |
>                                          |--------+        |
>             Pierce (16) --------+        |                 |
>                                 |--------+                 |
>      M.J. Fernandez (7) --------+ MJ Fernandez             |
>                                                            |
>                                                            +--------> Champion
>                                                            |
>              Cunningham --------+Maleeva                          |
>                                 |--------+                 |
>   Maleeva-Fragniere (9) --------+        |                 |
>                                          |--------+        |
>                   Rubin --------+        |        |        |
>                                 |--------+        |        |
>       Magdalena Maleeva --------+                 |        |
>                                                   |--------+
>     Sanchez-Vicario (5) --------+Sanchez           |
>                                 |--------+         |
>           Garrison (14) --------+(6-0,6-1)|        |
>                                          |--------+
>                   Labat --------+        |
>                                 |--------+
>                Graf (2) --------+Graf
>
>
>
>Anne (adolce@bbn.com)
>----


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:08:18 -0400 
From: Jad Nehme <jn1a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pete's current ranking.
Distribution: usa

Courier won the French and Australia open this year, and managed a
semi-final in the US one.  Did he just do nothing else?  What is Edberg
standing in the Grand-Slam tournaments this year?

-Jad
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: The Future of Women's Tennis (Re: Chris Evert's picks)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.010628.18529@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:

>> On the other hand, Seles had three very close matches at the
>> French Open; she was down in the third sets again Kijimuta, Sabatina
>> and Graf.
>
>   Definitely, though it seems you need a Graf or a Capriati on
>a good day to beat Seles.   Nevertheless, even if Seles had to
>come back from one set down and 5-0, and ten match points down
>in every match she played, but won all four Grand Slam events,
>it wouldn't matter how she won it, she would have still
>accomplished the feat.  I think she was as close as Martina
>trying to win a Grand Slam (who also won three Grand Slam
>events in two consecutive years).

What I am saying is that it is very hard to pull so many close
matches off. Seles was very close to losing in Paris this year,
and it is very difficult to win the Grand Slam that way.
Graf was truly dominant when she won the Grand Slam in 1988.
She had no close matches at all in all four Grand Slam events.
Graf was pushed to three sets only twice, at the Wimbledon and
US Open finals. In both cases she won the first set, and in both
third sets, she won 6-1. So she was nowhere close to losing at all.

If anyone is close to winning a (actually another) Grand Slam,
I would say Steffi Graf in 1989. She actually served for the
championship at the French Open but lost it to Sanchez. That is
much closer than losing 6-1, 6-2. Graf won the other three
Grand Slam events that year.

I also find it interesting that someone that dominant suddenly
manages to win "only" one Grand Slam event in each of the following
three years (not that winning one Slam a year is all that bad).
I guess the game is changing and the field is getting stronger quickly.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
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From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: US Open - General Observations
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.153507.1125@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:

[100 lines of personal debate deleted, fingers twitching all the while]

This is degenerating quickly.  I withdraw.  You don't have to lighten up
if you don't want to.  Let's get back to TENNIS!!

Cheers.
JB
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From: parvin1@husc8.harvard.edu (Douglas Parvin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:57:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.parvin1.716594227
 <1992Sep14.173115.18911@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> 
 <1992Sep15.001737.26047@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> <1992Sep15.021858.19076@src.umd.edu> <1992Sep15.142547.5052@walter.bellcore.com>

donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano) writes:

>In article <1992Sep15.021858.19076@src.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep15.001737.26047@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin) writes:
>|> > 
>|> 
>...stuff deleted ...

>|>    I'm not sure why there's so much money in tennis (compared
>|> to golf, for example), though the money is quite top-heavy.

>You obviously have not looked at the prize money for golf!!!
>At the end of the year, at least 100 players are making MAJOR
>BUCKS!!!!!  I take golf over tennis for prize money anyday
>(especially if doubles isn't included).

Not to mention golf pro endorsements, a FAR bigger market than any other
sport, considering the ridiculous sums people pay for the equipment.
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Hy On a Tennis High?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:06:10 GMT



      Patricia Hy has a good chance of upsetting Seles.   If
 she  maintains the same kind of intensity and tennis-smarts
 that she displayed against Sukova and Capriati, then Monica
 will have a tough match ahead.

      Hy can surely mix it up with the bigtime players,  she
 really  has  to  stay  away from the mentality of "I'm just
 happy to play Monica".  Will she meet that challenge?   She
 can, and she should.  Otherwise, she will become victim, an
 easy one, to Monica's  march  for  this  year's  U.S.  Open
 title.  But again, anything can happen in the next few days.

      Hurray for Patricia? No, I'm looking  forward  to  the
 title match between Monica Seles and Stefi Graf.   Or maybe
 Gabi could make it to  the  finals.   I'll  enjoy  watching
 whoever will make it to the deciding match.

                                                   -TEG
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Give A. Sanchez credit
Date: 12 Sep 1992 22:08:22 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>I am not a Sanchez fan but I found it amazing that people won't give
>her any credit for her win over Graf. Yes, Graf made a lot of errors

Exactly. To win a Grand Slam, you have to show up with your balls
firmly intact and in place between your legs. No one seems to
realize that Graf showed up without her guts, and that Sanchez
never let her go out and find them. 
For people who won't give Sanchez credit, I refer you to the
Sampras v. Courier match. Courier showed up with nothing. He
almost found it in winning the 2nd set, and then Sampras said
"I don't think so." Part of winning a tennis match is crushing
your opponent when they are most crushable.

>Quan

Stan
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:18:58 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Sep15.001737.26047@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin) writes:
> 
> 
>    Isn't it the Gram Slam Cup that offers the winner 2 million while 
>    giving $1 million to the finalist. I don't think the ATP championship
>    offer that kind of money!
> 
> michael
> 
> ps. Charles Lin or Sheung Cheung, can you confirm this?

   Nope.

   Seriously though, I think the Grand Slam Cup had a total prize
money of some six million dollars.  I think you are correct about
the prize money offered.   The ATP event doesn't give out quite
this kind of money.  The Grand Slam Cup is sponsored by the
ITF which controls the Grand Slam events.  I do not know
what the current relation between the ATP and the ITF is.

   Tennis is a funny sport.  I'm almost sure that tennis does not
get most of it's money from just ticket sales alone, with the
Grand Slam events being a possible (though I doubt it) exception.
A lot of money comes from the sponsors themselves, and due
to sponsors, a lot of free advertising gets shown.  Well,
not so "free", but when cigarettes were banned from US 
television commercials, one way to get ads are to sponsor tennis
tournaments, hence the long-standing relation between
Virginia Slims, a cigarette manufacturer, and women's tennis.

   Prize money has gone way up in the last ten years.  I think
the winner in the '82 Open maybe made 100,000 dollars.  Now
the prize money is five times that.  And, the top players,
especially those with images (Agassi, Capriati, etc.) can
get much more than what they earn in prize money in 
endorsments.   It may be that Agassi makes up to ten million
dollars a year from all his endorsements and prize money
(my speculation only, just a number I came up with).

   I'm not sure why there's so much money in tennis (compared
to golf, for example), though the money is quite top-heavy.
Even doubles, which almost never gets tv coverage, has become
more lucrative.   Without doubles, many tennis players would
not be able to afford to live on the tour.  So, even if
we see some player making some $80,000 a year that is
low in rank, that player will probably spend half or so,
in travel expenses.  It used to be that you even had to
pay hotel costs, etc., though in major tournamenrs,
and person in the singles or doubles events have to
be covered by the tournament in terms of free food and
housing.  But it's the big names of the sport that make
most of the millions.

--
Charles Lin
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From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: 5th set tie-breaks ?
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:46:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.050202.654@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int281x@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox) writes:
>Why are they playing 5th set tie-breaks at the U.S. Open.  As long as I've
>known 5th sets are played to advantage aren't they ? Is this exclusive to the
>U.S. open and if so why ?

	The US is the US, and it sucks! (the tiebreaks I mean) My opinion is
that tiebreaks suck. If you must have them, the final set should be advantage.
This is why I used to like Davis Cup - no tiebreaks. I know all the other
Grand Slam events have 5th set advantage - remember McEnroe-Stich in the
Wimbledon final? 

				Ian


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From: adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Snapple
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:20:29 GMT
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In article <1992Sep12.035346.10453@news.iastate.edu>, taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Chris Hardisty) writes:
|> In article <lb1mrfINNhu2@news.bbn.com>, adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
|> >
|> >  After Jennifer Capriati won the gold medal this past summer,
|> >  she also signed an endorsement contract with Snapple.
|> >
|> >Anne
|> >----
|> 
|> Anne -
|> 
|> How'd you get this info?  How come she hasn't done any commercials yet?
|> She had better start while her gold is still untarnished... (whoops, guess
|> it already is after US Open!)
|> 
|> chris

    It was mentioned in a recent issue of Tennis Week magazine.
    She also now has a Snapple patch on her clothing.

Anne
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