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From: Stew.Bottorf@p0.f210.n3603.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bottorf)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Classroom Displays
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:47:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/210.0 - StoryBoard Electron, Treasure Island FL

    What are you using for computer classroom displays?

    We have several options, none of which meets our full needs.  At
    the high-end we have a 3-M VGA full-color LCD panel and overhead
    projector with high light output.  This equipment lists for over
    $8000 and needs total darkness to see reasonable color.  We have
    CGA LCD panels that show poor graphics in mono only.

    I have been testing a $250 device called TelevEyes that converts
    VGA to video composite signals.  When viewed on a video monitor
    the output is acceptable, but more closely resembles CGA output.
    Colors come through OK, even using Windows 3.1

    Has anyone had any experience with similar devices?

    We need something to use in classrooms at a reasonable cost.

         Stew

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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: PEN PALS
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 20:52:25 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

David...:)  Checked with my students and the response was overwhelming to 
say the least.  I have the following students who would like to write: 
Renne, Patrick, Amanda, Jenna, Terri-Lynn,  Logan Kevin, Matthew, Gavin, 
Faith-Anne, Natasha, Chris, Jeremy, Bobby, Joel, Jessica Mc., Willie, Jessica 
Y., Justin, Maggie and Shea.  Hope you can handle them all.  I will have them 
start to get introductory letters underway  in the next little while.  Carol

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From: bkort@k12-nis.bbn.com (Barry Kort)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Virtual Realities, Virtual Communities, and Informal Science Education
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:03:47
Organization: /home/bkort/.organization
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In-reply-to: Ronald.Kellett@f516.n2613.z1.fidonet.org's message of Fri, 04 Dec 92 15:18:00 PDT

In article <26505.2B20D20A@puddle.fidonet.org> 
Ronald.Kellett@f516.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (Ronald Kellett) writes:

	   This virual reality games, sound interesting. If you have 
   the knowledge, I was Wondering where the nearest places that develop 
   these programs are. I live near Rochester,Ny. Is there a program at 
   Rochester Institute of Technology. Are the bbs doors Barons, 
   TradeWars, Operation Overkill, and InterStellar Anillation the type 
   of programs you are talking about even though the players can't add 
   sections of the board. Especially Operation Overkill you can get 
   objects drop them buy stuff etc. I am a senior in high school going 
   (hopefully) to RIT next year. Are there any public ones available 
   that through the modem I can enter. Especially if they are designed 
   for my age group??       
			    Ronald P. Kellett

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Ronald, the Multi-User Simulation Environment (MUSE) is developed by
a small team of programmers on the Internet.  The MUSE runs on an
Internet-connected host, and participants connect to it over an
Internet connection.  MicroMuse at MIT runs on Port 4201 on
chezmoto.ai.mit.edu, in the Artificial Intelligence Lab at MIT
in Cambridge, MA.

In the United Kingdom, where Internet access is scant, there are
similar systems that operate on dial-up BBS machines.  In the US,
the big push has been to develop them for Internet access.

The MUSE data base is developed by the participants.  Superficially,
the MUSE resembles recreational text-adventure games, but the
content is whatever the user community creates.  This makes the
MUSE an interesting medium for both recreational computing and
for education in computer science and computer modeling.

Barry Kort
Consulting Scientist
Educational Technology Research
BBN Labs
Cambridge, MA
From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Desktop Publishing Project
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 04:29:10 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <11 Dec 92  12:34:44> to <All> about <Desktop Publishing Project>,
Becky Ferreira wrote:

 BF> We are currently trying to do a project with Desktop Publishing with
 BF> WordPerfect 5.1.  If you have any information please let us know. 

Becky,

That's a little more informative, but is much like saying, "My vehicle
won't run well.  Can anyone tell me how to fix it?   Oh, by the way, it's a
Ford."

Here are three things you MIGHT care to try.

1.  Go the library and do a search under the keywords of "DESKTOP" and
    "PUBLISHING" to find texts on it.

2.  There are also magazines related to desktop publishing.  If you go to a
    bookstore with an extensive magazine selection, you may find something.

3.  You might want to see if your library carries copies of
    "WordPerfect Magazine."  You can also find these on magazine stands but
    they're about $4.00 each.  You could phone WordPerfect Magazine at
    1-801-221-0399 for support about articles.  They may be able to steer
    you towards specific issues and articles.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Steve

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From: pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Phil M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Screen Savers
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 15:15:14 GMT

To Whom It May Concern:

	A SHAREWARE SCREEN SAVER is called MOIRE basically is
draws random patterns including a moire effect (hence the name).
It works quite well.

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From: Linus.Turner@p11.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Linus Turner)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: I wonder...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:44:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.11 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 Okay- I'll rephrase the question- If every human died
 > at the same time- ie- no more human life- would there
 > still be beauty?

Jeese Robin this is a destructive sort of question.

May I suggest to you that it is impossible for this to happen?  I suppose one way of saying this is that if there were no humans present...   Now this doesn't have to be the whole world.  It could be a small part of it. Like my bedroom.  Is there beauty in my bedroom when nobody is present? (then nobody has to die) and of course the answer is no.  There has never been any beauty in my bedroom.  Its always a mess!

But of course you are asking is it purely in the eye of the beholder

All of those who believe in a great Beholder of any religion would say yes I suppose.  If beauty is a quality we bestow on the observer then it depends on whether we decide other animals or whatever can have this... Ah I didn't want to get into this...
See ya


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From: Joel.Helton@p1.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Helton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Hard drives
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:29:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.1 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

In a message dated 12/11/92, Jim Specht wrote to All about Hard drives . . .


  JS> I'm running a Mac LC with 80 megs and it's almost full.  I've been
  JS> doing some work with large hypercard stacks that have sound added at a
  JS> later point.  The stack are between 2.5 and 3.5 megs each, so I guess
  JS> it's time to look for an additional hard drive for my LC. Anyone have
  JS> any advice about brands that are good, or not-so good? Anyone have one
  JS> they're really happy with?  I'd like one of about 80 or 120 megs in
  JS> size- but compatability and reliabilty are the primary considerations.
  JS> Horror stories about what not to get are equally valuable. Thanks.
  JS> -Jim Specht/ West Linn, Oregon

Well, for what it is worth, my school ordered a 50 megger Quantam drive from
Club Mac (in the mac magazines, I don't have they phone or address right now.)
and we have had no problems with it so far (had it almost a year).  They offer
a 30 day money back deal and a 2 year warranty.  I just sent in another order
for a 42 and 85 meg drive from them to be delievered after Christmas vacation.
 Hope this helps.




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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Integrade
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:24:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <10 Dec 92  18:38:50> to <Steve Larson> about <Integrade>,
Chuck Auck wrote:

 CA> Hi from Colorado!  I just read a message in which you told of using
 CA> Integrade. We just acquired Integrade for our Osiris school management
 CA> system and have found it to be a pleasure to work with.  I was
 CA> wondering if there was any way you would consent to share the
 CA> materials you developed for your training sessions.  I will be in the
 CA> training mode next semester, and I'd like to use tested materials.

Hi, Chuck!

Sure, I'll send you my handouts or WordPerfect 5.1 files (for whatever
worth they may be) if you'll let me know which you prefer and if you'll
give me a mailing address.

Please be advised, however, these files are for Integrade v. 6.3 not
Integrade v. 7.0 or 7.01 (Nov. 19).  I plan to continue to instruct
beginners with the older version for a time, although I personally much
prefer the improved flexibility of the new version.  It's just that the
learning curve is somewhat flatter for beginners with 6.3!

 CA> was also intrigued by the description of your computer setup.  We have
 CA> 100 MS-DOS machines on 2 file servers, and half of them are still
 CA> 8088's....still better than nothing.  Do you have any Macs on your
 CA> network?  I'm trying to find out if the expense of adding Macs to a
 CA> Novell network are worthwhile or to go another route.  I look forward
 CA> to hearing from you. 

We have been forced to buy Macs because Alberta Ed is beginning to generate
more curriculum-based files and instruction tools for the Mac.  (Alberta Ed
has an historical association with Apple of Canada going back a goodly
number of years.  IBM never competed for the educational dollar in this
neck of the woods to any extent!)  We (my colleague and I) feel that we
eventually be forced to place some of these machines on a network at some
point in time.  At the moment, we are not promoting such a move.  Rather,
we will wait until the Mac users in our school see a need and state a
desire for such a feature.  With technology in such a constant state of
flux, we feel that we would be wasting our time to even research such a
concern at this point in time.  In a couple of years, any number of
possibilities could open up!

We have just upgraded my colleague's lab to 386-33's and we are now moving
the old 8088's to other  teachers' rooms as workstations on the computer
lab LANs.  We put 5 of them into the IA lab who plans to use them to
introduce grade 9 students to a short (VERY SHORT) modular introduction to
CAD.  An English teacher is going to have 3 (that's all she has room for)
as writing work stations for some of her students.

Regards,
Steve

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From: morrison@isaac.carleton.ca (Greg Morrison)
Subject: Info on 'Talking Master Mouse Computer'?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:02:44 GMT

My brother and sister-in-law are thinking of getting something called the
'Talking Master Mouse Computer', from Texas Instruments, for their
three-year-old.  I gather it's a special-purpose educational computer
for kids.

Does anyone have any information about this system, or similar ones?
Does it make sense to get one?  I might add that they already have a
Toshiba portable PC, provided by his company, but it stays mainly at
work, and neither of them are that familiar with PCs, educational
software, etc.

Hope this is a suitable question for this newsgroup....

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From: Daniel.Walton@f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Walton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: Hermes & Appletalk
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 18:58:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

 PB> Do you know any other Mac school networks that are 
 PB> using an in house BBS with appletalk access?

My Junior High school (was there last year) is thinking of using TeleFinder as an appletalk BBS...Telefinder is a BBS that uses the Mac interface and uses the click and drag method....(eg: drag the file you want to download to a folder that says download, and you begin to receive it)...It is Tabby compatible and with NetConnect will allow it to be run over the NetWork...


Daniel....


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From: Chuck.Auck@f14.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Auck)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Integrade
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 18:38:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/14 - RAM Net, Colorado Springs CO

Hi from Colorado!  I just read a message in which you told of using Integrade. We just acquired Integrade for our Osiris school management system and have found it to be a pleasure to work with.  I was wondering if there was any way you would consent to share the materials you developed for your training sessions.  I will be in the training mode next semester, and I'd like to use tested materials.  I was also intrigued by the description of your computer setup.  We have 100 MS-DOS machines on 2 file server
s, and half of them are still 8088's....still better than nothing.  Do you have any Macs on your network?  I'm trying to find out if the expense of adding Macs to a Novell network are worthwhile or to go another route.  I look forward to hearing from you.


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From: pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Phil M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Hard drives
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 15:01:02 GMT

Dear Sir:
	As long as you get a brand that uses Quantum Drives you
will do Okay. One brand to stay away from is a drive unit from
MAXTOR. Apple allowed a third pary company to provide drives
for some of the Mac LC II's for schools that wanted to save a
couple of bucks. My school system got some of those units and I
think almost everyone had had to be repaired or replaced. The
original drives Apple installs in their machines are Quantum
Drives. They have very little problem withem in the past.
Incidently the third party drive company TPI had such a bad
experience with these Maxtor Drives that they switched back to
Quantum who they had used for years until they decided to try
Maxtor.
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From: Jim.Specht@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Specht)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Hard drives
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:20:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

I'm running a Mac LC with 80 megs and it's almost full.  I've been doing 
some work with large hypercard stacks that have sound added at a later 
point.  The stack are between 2.5 and 3.5 megs each, so I guess it's 
time to look for an additional hard drive for my LC.
Anyone have any advice about brands that are good, or not-so good?
Anyone have one they're really happy with?  I'd like one of about 80 or 
120 megs in size- but compatability and reliabilty are the primary 
considerations.
Horror stories about what not to get are equally valuable. Thanks.
-Jim Specht/ West Linn, Oregon



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From: David.Aiau@f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (David Aiau)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: 3-d Modeling
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:25:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 >You know, the next logical addition would be a hard drive.  In fact, I
 >would have added the hd before the *9* megs o' memory.  Things will go a
 >LOT faster...

 What gave you the impression I didn't have a HardDrive? That's what a A2091 
is... A HardDrive controller...

 >Well, the thing about it is you won't make any money unless it's MS-DOS.
 >Almost all the labs I know of use some form of the 80x86 to do VR,
 >unless they are on a cray.

 Heck, Have to disagree here... Money will be easy enough to earn... Getting 
up and doing it requires the hard work... I won't be making money in the
 VR scene... It will just be modelling etc... Presentation!!

L8'er

 P.S. An 33Mhz 040 A4000 Early 1993 will give me what I need... 8-)

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From: Stew.Bottorf@p0.f210.n3603.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bottorf)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Survey
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:22:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/210.0 - StoryBoard Electron, Treasure Island FL

 -=> Quoting Timothy Borntreger to All <=-

 Greetings, here are my choices:

 TB> For Word Processing:
 TB> 4.) Microsoft Works
        For the cost, this suits my needs.

 TB> For Spreadsheet:
 TB> 2.) Microsoft Works
        Same reason as above, really Works is pretty powerful once you
        learn how to use it.

 TB> For Desktop Publishing:
 TB> 6.) Other
        I have a copy of 1st Publisher v3 that I have used for a few
        years for a small nesletter.  I really need to get something
        more powerful.

 TB> For Database:
 TB> 5.) Other
        I have used dBase, but most of my reportingis flat so I have
        used Q&A: a very nice flat database program.  I have also used
        the MSWorks database and it is acceptable for flat work also.

 TB> For Telecommunications:
 TB> 5.) Telix
 TB> 6.) Other

        I have used TElix for years, but I also have registered a copy
        of Robocomm to automate my mail runs.

 TB> For Operating Systems:
 TB> 1.) DOS

        I have upgraded, but stuck with DOS.


        Good luck on the survey.

        Stew

... "Don't mince words, Timothy ... what do you *REALLY* think?"

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From: Marcia.Oppermann@f17.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Marcia Oppermann)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Tech Ed Comm. Meeting
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 22:55:12 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/17 - Rivendell, Colorado Springs CO

Hi Debbie,  Lois and I went to the Tech Ed Committee meeting last night.  It was interesting.  There were a coupl interested parents there.  They will have another meeting in January if you can come.  Bye.  See you at school.  Marcia.


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From: Alfonso.Navarro@f19.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Alfonso Navarro)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:24:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/19 - QMS Connection, Queensbury NY

Hi! 
Everyone's been talking about (actualy - is using) Internet now (or so it seems.  I've read some things about it but I want to through out a couple of questions none the less.
     1.)  If I had Internet access what is ALL that I would have to pay           for?
     2.)  Is there any way that using Internet would cost less than the           LD calls to BBSs?
We have Internet access at school but I need to do other things while there (like go to class 8^).  
       Thanks,                               Al



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From: Marcia.Oppermann@f17.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Marcia Oppermann)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Tech Ed Committee
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 22:56:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/17 - Rivendell, Colorado Springs CO

Hi Lois,  Hope youyour modem now.  I'll see you at school.  The meeting the other night was interesting.  I'm glad we went.  Bye for now.  Marcia.


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Trapped and can't get out!
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 22:18:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message < 7 Dec 92  11:58:27> to <To Whom It May Concern> about <Trapped and can't get out!>,
Becky Ferreira wrote:

 BF> Let me out!  I'm still trapped in this retarded computer!  Is anyone
 BF> going to help me?  We need information about desktop publishing in
 BF> order to get out.  If I don't get out soon I'll be in here forever. 

Becky,

Perhaps if you asked a specific question....


Regards,
Steve Larson  (Zone 1 K12net Computer Literacy Moderator)

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From: Frank.Fruter@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Fruter)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Computer Conference in San Jose
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:20:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

I would not give a computer conference the time of day, if it did not 
include more a variety of processor type, including the 68000 series.



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From: pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Phil M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and Communication progs
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 14:46:20 GMT

Dear Sir:
	Sounds like you have run into a memory limitation of
Windows. You see the windows program itself takes up nearly two
megs of memory in order to adaquately use Windows you need a
minimum of 4 megs of memory to use it with no problems.  System
7 on Macintosh machines run into simmilar problems with
software.

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From: Bradley.Kelly@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Bradley Kelly)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Regents etc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:58:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

G'day Helen,

The Regents system seems similar to that in Oz. Here, every state has a 
different educational testing method and standard. One of the tasks for the 
government is to standardise the educational system, so that tertiary 
entrance may be simplified.

Brad  
 

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