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From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: CPBACKUP and OS/2
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:28:28 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

jpsum00@mik.uky.edu (Dark Knight) writes:

> Hello,
>      Has anyone else gotten CPBACKUP for DOS 7.1 to work under a DOS  
> session in OS/2??  I backed-up my harddrive and then reformatted it as  
> HPFS.  When I tried to restore my files via CPBACKUP in a DOS session, it  
> restored the first 8 disks no problem, and then just crapped out on me.   
> Any suggestions besides reformatting to a DOS system??
>                                              Thanks for any help,
>                                              Joey

Joey,
as much as I know from bugging the thec suport twice of CP, cpbackup IS
NOT good for HPFS, ONLY FOR FAT format (but on those it does really
nice, that's what I use [plus the fact of having two 40MB drives...]).
CP haven't even starting thinking of making an HPFS compliant prg, their
just taking notes of their customer wish for it, in other words (in my
opinion) I doubt very much that they ever will, sigh....

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From: kxc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Khuanchai Chooboonraj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Stacker for OS/2 ?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:32:45 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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s2942275@techst02.technion.ac.il (Yaniv Golan) writes:

>Anyone knows if there is a Stacker version for OS/2 ?

>Yaniv Golan

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It will be released early next year...

cheers,
kc

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.c++
From: norwest@tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu (norwest)
Subject: DDE and lightweight thread class libraries.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:44:31 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Image Analysis Facility


Does anyone know of any C++ ( or even C ) class libraries
that encapsulate Dynamic Data Exchange ( for os2 ), and
lightweight processes?


I'll post any results if there is interest.


thanks,

Alex.


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: What happened to Wingz spreadsheet program?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.020542.25750@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones) writes:
>>Some time ago I remember seeing a nice spreadsheet for OS/2 1.X.
>>It was named Wingz, and now when OS/2 has matured a bit I decided
>>to find out if there I would be able to buy a new version of Wingz...
>>But I have been unable to find anything about the program... What happened?
>>Did it disappear from the marketplace?
>>Or is the case just that it is not sold in Finland anymore?
>>Thenks for your help,
>I use WIngz for  OS/2 it is an INFORMIX product and comes with Windows
>and OS/2 versions in the same box. I got the education version, which was
>quite cheap ($125 I think). I don't think its been updated, mine is ver 1.1
>and I haven't received any upgrade notices. Their number is 913 492-9922
>if you're interested.

Byte noted recently, in a roundup of spreadsheets, that Wingz was so
ahead of its time that it is only now being eclipsed by other packages
in certain respects.  Hence, they couldn't see the need for upgrades
either, and they still think highly of the product.

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Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
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From: bkline@lhc.nlm.nih.gov.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline)
Subject: CodeView 3.0 iin a VDM
Organization: National Library of Medicine
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:15:20 GMT

Does anyone know what settings to use to prevent CodeView 3.0 running in
a DOS session from locking up the entire machine?

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Logitech Ansel works under Win-os2
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152124.6642@ifi.unizh.ch> erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin Erzberger) writes:
>It seems it is not possible to run WIN-OS2 in real mode if one
>is using a XGA adapter (and driver). It also isn't possible
>with real Windows 3.0. Therefore this solution unfortunately
>doesn't work (and my scanner still collects dust)...
>Someday I will try the DOS scan program, which supposedly
>should run.

How about setting up a Win-OS/2 real mode session that uses the VGA
driver?  You still have VGA on your system -- nothing is preventing
you from creating one session that does not use XGA.

How do you do it?  Well, I suggest running a COPY command to either
replace the driver file when needed or replace SYSTEM.INI.  (I hope
that brief description is enough to get you thinking.)

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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: IOPL=NO locks system
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:33:10 GMT

In article <17NOV199211325491@cl2.cl.uh.edu> CSCI19DC@cl.uh.edu writes:
>In article <Bxv7wD.4Jv@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, karls@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Karl Schroeder) writes...
>>Do the new ET4000 drivers bundled with the SP require IOPL=YES?  It would
>>seem so from my experience.  The system locks on load of PM if I change
>>IOPL to no.  
>>   This is the only oddity I've found with the full SP installation.  My
>>problems with lockup of dos and os2 windows may have been due to the fact
>>that after first installing the SP, I continued using the Trident 16-bit
>>driver.  Maybe the hardware couldn't cope; but with an ET4000 card, the
>>graphics fly.
>>  My system:  486/33, 8 meg, 120 meg IDE. 
>
>Sorry I cant give you some kind of answer, Karl.
>
>I just wanted to post and say that this also occurs with the WIN31-32BIT GRE 
>Beta, at least on my PC Clone.  

I have reported this here (rather in comp.os.os2.misc) before: the IOPL
line needs at least to contain the name of the display driver, which is
no longer DISPLAY.DLL. In case of a 8514/A it is IBM8514, in case of VGA
it is IBMVGA32, in case of ET-4000 32-bit drivers it is IBMDEV32.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Will ghostview ever be ported?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:13:57 GMT

Todd Henderson (tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: During the summer I worked with ghostview on a SGI machine.  It seemed like
: a nice program similar to ghostscript.  I kind of assumed they were related.
: 
: At any rate, has anyone else used it and is there a chance it may get ported
: to OS/2.

ghostview is probably too much tied up in X-isms to be ported directly,
but i expect someone will produce something similar of OS/2.

there used to be a preliminary windows version of ghostscript which
had some similarities to the ghostview interface. 

given that the OS/2 ghostscripts have already split the main gs process
from the i/o (not sure which bit actually does the file handling to 
grab the input), then it may just be a matter of rewriting the front
end to have a nice button-ed interface and abiliyt to scan files
for EPS structuring comments etc.


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From: jpsum00@mik.uky.edu (Dark Knight)
Subject: CPBACKUP and OS/2
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:12:04 GMT

Hello,
     Has anyone else gotten CPBACKUP for DOS 7.1 to work under a DOS  
session in OS/2??  I backed-up my harddrive and then reformatted it as  
HPFS.  When I tried to restore my files via CPBACKUP in a DOS session, it  
restored the first 8 disks no problem, and then just crapped out on me.   
Any suggestions besides reformatting to a DOS system??
                                             Thanks for any help,
                                             Joey
JPSUM00@ukpr.uky.edu
JPSUM00@mik.uky.edu
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS/2 to DOS connection...
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 16:56:34 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

logic@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:

> hi,
> i have a client running DOS 5.0 on his machine.  i, who run OS/2 on my machin
> need a program that will allow me to remotely access his machine and run some
> character mode DOS programs.  i know that there are a number of programs out
> there that will allow this sort of remote access but most are, i believe,
> designed for either a DOS to DOS or OS/2 to OS/2 connection.  my question is
> whether there are any programs that allow for an OS/2 to DOS connection?  if
> it makes any difference my entire hard disk is formatted as HPFS.
> 
> anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?
> 
Could Norton pcAnywhere 4.5 work?

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From: gazo@server.uwindsor.ca (ozaG .S luaP)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: ATM fonts under WinOs/2 3.1Beta.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:39:21 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada


	I have a problem in that I have installed a number of ATM fonts into
Os/2 itself, and then into WinOs/2 v3.1Beta.  Yes, I know, it is only a Beta,
but hey, what the heck, right?
	So, the thing is that if I run ATM control panel, it pops up, and lists
all the fonts I installed into WinOs/2.  Fine.  ATM is on, and everything's
cool.  BUT, if I run any of my apps, be they Windows Write, or CorelDRAW! v3.0
for Windows, or PageMaker v4.0 for Windows, the apps don't register my fonts
that are installed.
	Now, I really, really could use these fonts, and I had no problem with
WinOs/2 v3.0, back several months ago (my need for Windows apps is sporadic at
best).  I am now running the CSD on top of Os/2 v2.01Beta, which worked just
fine in all respects.  The updates are active, and everything works like it
should, except these font issues.
	If anyone has duplicated this scenario and either does or does not have
this problem, I'd appreciate having confirmation of a bug, or denial of such.

					Paul S. Gazo
					gazo@server.uwindsor.ca



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From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS/2 Fax Software Piracy
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 10:05:11 GMT
Organization: Private OS/2 System

In article <1992Nov21.003704.15528@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> kbass@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Bass) writes:

>In article <721574952.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> Keller.Group@f115.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Keller Group) writes:
>>Several people from Germany and Austria have recently faxed me
>>registration forms and bug reports for our OS/2 fax software.  The

 I'm such a person ...

>>And it seems that European BBS sites have little respect for software
>>ownership issues.

 Stupid .. "European BBS" what a general sentence ...

>>And to the users of the 0.99 BitFax for OS/2 software, the problems
>>that you are reporting were fixed long ago, and you'd save yourself a
>>lot of time by purchasing a licensed (and supported) copy of PMfax.
>>

 nice to know .... but why didn't you tell me this .. some facts below!

>
>While I certainly understand your being upset at piracy of your program.
>You make several points that are dead wrong.
>
>1) If people are sending in registration or bug reports, perhaps they
>dont realize it is a commercial product?

 Not really, but because of the fact that the 0.99 has bugs, which are
especially bad for the german market: the software was not able to print
some special characters, we in Germany have. I did a fax to the company
to tell them about this problem. They just told me, that they only have
tested it with the English-Version and it worked. I did a fax back to
tell them that I had tested it with the GA-English, GA-German and the
news Beta-English and always had the same problems .. no response any
more and instead now this posting!

>2) Does the BBS community give a shit if it gets respect from
>"commercial" developers. Besides communication, BBS has played a vital
>role in distributing low cost shareware--an alternative to rip-off
>commercial software targeted to businesses.
>

 Well, totally right! Be aware of the fact, that without these BBS
nearly nobody would know about your software. Companies like the one you
mentioned do not make many ads to let the people know, that such a
software product is available -- OS/2 in Germany is still (and will ever
be ...?) a small market. For myself your posting was the first source to
let me know that Dr. Neuhaus is the distributor of your software!

 I'll buy your product, if I'll know, that these bugs are away. By the
way I'm very interested, what the price for your product here in Germany
is -- your product is listed at $99 (your fax told me ..), ok!? I'll
call Dr. Neuhaus and after that, I'll tell you about ...

 Just a little bit angry ...

 MF



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Important Word Processor advice requested:
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:08:55 GMT

I am in the market for a good word processor.  Or rather, my parents are,
since they plan to get my one for Christmas.

NOTE: I don't want any heated 'XX vs YY' crap regarding my post, eh?

Some background:

	I own a 386/33 with 8megs RAM, running OS/2 2.0
	I am in Mechanical Engineering, and often need to
		do technical reports, involving equations
		and imported drawings.
	I now use Write for Windows to word-process, and build complex
		equations using Paintbrush for Windows, and pasting them
		into Write documents.

I am looking at Ami Pro 3.0 for Windows - often cited as THE best word processor
for Windows, having lotsa features,  including a 4-level Undo, grammar checker,
and Note: GOOD equation editor, and WYSIWYG.  Also, I am considering getting
the DeScribe 4.0 word processor - a native OS/2 32bit app.  It has WYSIWYG,
unlimited Undo, BUT, no equation editor.  

Now,
can some of you suggest which you think would be best to get?  I hear Lotus
will not release Ami Pro for OS/2 until the Q1,'93...(or later?), and
want to chuck Write and Paintbrush, if I can.

Has anyone used both?  Note that I psot this to (or at least I *think* I am
cross-posting) to the OS/2 and Windows Apps newsgroups.

Both seem to retail for $500.  I have no other WP to get a 'competitive
upgrade'...has anyone seen cheaper prices on these WPs?  The price may be
a deciding factor.

If I decided to get DeScribe, would I be able to 'paste' in drawings and
equations from Paintbrush as I did with Write?

I know of the helpfile problem in Ami Pro3.0 under OS/2, and have a fix for it, to let you know...

What are the comparable features?  Note that I don't give a hoot about
mail merges and obscure formatting things.

Gosh, thanks a lot - on one hand, it seems that Ami Pro 3.0 would edge out
DeScribe wrt features, but DeScribe wouldn't be as slow as Ami Pro 3.0 (under
OS/2, that is) since DeScribe is native and 32bit.

ReThanks - emails would be best - I don't always have the time to read comp.os.o
s2.apps, much less the Windows apps group.

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From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: How do IBM and FTP TCP/IP packages compare?
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:02:09 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Nov14.185812.29829@gremlin.muug.mb.ca> charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles) writes:
>Your guess was right, Xwindows seems extremely slow under OS/2.  Sometimes
>it takes a very long time for clients to appear, I'm only on an 8 meg
>machine though.

	I have a 33mhz486 with 16 megs memory and a Speedstar24.  I have
	DesqView/X, and PC-Xview 2.4.  In 1024x768x256 color mode on 
	the above, and on OS/2 with the CSD and all the latest patches
	for tcp/ip and X, I find OS/2 to be about twice as fast as the others.
	Scrolling text and using XV to display bitmaps are especially quick.
	This is with a 16 bit SMC card on OS/2 and a sysvr4 system also
	with a smc card.  OS/2 X is my X server of choice at the moment
	for a pc.

-- 
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	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
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From: kgallagh@digi.lonestar.org (Kevin Gallagher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: OS/2 and ANSI support
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:59:12 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

I have a DOS application I wish to port to OS/2.  The user interface to this
application is designed to use the so-called extended keys (between the keypad
and main keyboard) DIFFERENTLY from those with the same names on the PC
keypad.  Under DOS, if I load ANSI.SYS with the /X option, I can use the
appropriate ANSI commands and instruct ANSI.SYS to generate DIFFERENT ascii
characters with the extended keys from those generated by the keypad keys
(with NumLock off).  The documentation for ANSI.SYS in an OS/2 DOS emulation
session also talks of supporting the /X option, though very briefly.

The OS/2 native ANSI command documentation makes no mention of the extended
keys, though it does mention that with ANSI set to ON, one can redefine keys
(it is up to the user to figure out how, however).

In an OS/2 full screen or window, I am able to rebind all the regular keys
with the same ANSI comands that work under native DOS, BUT I am NOT able to
rebind the extended keys with the specific sequences that work under native
DOS.

It is interesting to note that the OS/2 user documention on ANSI support under
native OS/2 is essentially non-existent.  Indeed, most of the OS/2 Command
Reference command descriptions are very brief and, in general, very poorly
done.  Although there are a lot of good things about OS/2, the OS/2 user
documentation is NOT one of them!

I checked the red books and they are no help when it comes to ANSI.

Does anyone know if it is possible to redefine the extended keys under OS/2
when ANSI is set to ON?  If so, how is it done?

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From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne)
Subject: OS/2 and Compuserve HELP !!! 
Distribution: world
Organization: International Securities Market Association
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:38:29 +0000

I'd recommend Golden Compass.. It's a PM app written by Creative Systems
with 16550 support. It's fully multi-threaded so you can be reading and
responding to messages in one forum whilst it's downloading from another.

You can contact them at 71511.151@compuserve.com or drop into the OS2USER
or OS2SUPP (Can't remember which..) I also can't remember if there's a demo
about... If Larry doesn't mind I'll up it to hobbes.

Stephen Dunne

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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Comment & ? about BC++ for OS/2
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:37:28 GMT

MOHIT K GOYAL (goyal@utdallas.edu) wrote:
> 
> And here's the part that gets me: (quoted directly)
> "However we have announced the soon to be available Borland C++ for Win32
> built for OS/2."
> 
> First off, I thought people here were denying Borland has announced BC++
> for OS/2?

They have not released it but the EEP is up and running and the compiler
sure does exist. I think that's what they might be saying.
> 
> Secondly, does this mean BC++ for OS/2 will just give you Win32 code?
> Isn't Win32 the name of the API for NT?

I have no idea what 'Borland C++ for Win32 built for OS/2' could possibly
mean! Makes no sense at all.

-- 
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: ANOTHER WORD FOR WINDOWS V2 PROBLEM
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:24:07 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <8715@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>O.k. this is yet another problem with the damn equation editor. I
>got the fence and other fonts installed. They show up on my screen
>just fine. I don't get printer warnings when I come into editor,
>nothing. Everything should be fine. But when I go to print out, the
>fence characters all come out as little squares. Yes, I do have the
>right printer driver, yes everything else works. It just this one
>thing. Any help would REALLY be appretiated. I need that editor
>badly.

Did you install the PostScript version of the fences, MTSymbol, and
MTLineDraw fonts?  They're on your Word 2.0 disks (perhaps
compressed).  They're not installed unless Windows (or WIN-OS2) has a
PostScript printer installed.  You'll need them for ATM to print them.
Either installa PostScript WIN-OS2 printer and re-install Word or
uncompress these off of the disks and use ATM to install them.
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