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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: ROXANNE SHANTE
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:19:34 GMT

In article <Mf2L1FS00WBNE6IUFm@andrew.cmu.edu>, Olayinka Kolawole <Hotsauce+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Yo  I was just wondering if anybody caugth her album?....my man said he
>aint gonna buy it because G Rap, Granddaddy IU, and Large Professor
>wrote her shit.....is this true???????

It's very true.  As far as I know, Shante has NEVER written her own material. 
If you listen to some of her earlier stuff, it has Kane, G. Rap, and Marley
written all over it.  The album is a'ight though.  I don't have it yet myself,
but I have heard it and will pick it up, but it's not high on my list of
priorities.

>             If it is I aint even trying to hear that...if emcees start
>getting their shit written for them then that destroys the first
>criteria for hip hop.........anyway, Shante is phat(not to mention fly
>as hell) so y'all get back to on this.............

If you feel this strongly about it, there are probably a lot of artists that
you can no longer listen to or buy, and don't even know it.

>
>                                                    Hotsauce.........
>
>

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:44:37
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: cllave01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:02:38 GMT

cllave01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
|Malcolm X the movie 
|the official release date is Wednesday, November 17th, although some cities
|have had sneak previews. The movie is supposed to be approx.3 hours in 
|length though!

That's Wednesday Nov 18.  It's 3 hours and 21 minutes.  Gotten mostly
very positive critical reviews so far.
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Ice-T
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:47:48 GMT

In article <5631@krafla.rhi.hi.is> Jon Ingi Ingimundarson writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Does anybody know why Ice-T's new cd Home Invasion has been pushed
>back to Jan. 26?
>
>Was this due to some controversy about the material on the album or
>did Warner Brothers not want to face any heat before Christmas.

It was the material.  Apparently, Time-Warner wanted Ice to tone some of his
stuff down, and Ice agreed, God knows why.

I've got a real beef with these corporate infotainment outlets like Time-
Warner.  Lately, it seems that the slightest thing that offends some small
interest group (like Republicans) gets changed to satisfy everyone, and a
lot of things that need to be said are missing.  Time-Warner is trying too
hard to avoid controversy, and as a result, a lot of artists' work is going
to get stifled.  I don't see why Ice-T doesn't just buy out his contract and
hook up with a smaller company somewhere, so he can drop just what he wants
to drop.

>BTW  is Icecube's Predator commercially out yet?

Yes, and it's all that. The first two tracks on the album slam like Van Damme,
and the rest of it comes off just as hard. I thought the beat should have
been a little rougher for "We Had To Tear This MF Up," though, but Cube's
work with DJ Muggs sounded pretty good.  Go get it.

>jon ingi,
>jii@rhi.hi.is
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From: dc@ais.org (David Daniels)
Subject: Re: Ice Cube _The Predator_
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:00:59 GMT


  It's not really what I excpected but it is a damned good tape... My
favorite on there has to be It was a good day... I don't care for the skits
much... Death Certifcate's skits weren't that bad, but the ones on Predator
really get to me... They just go on to long... Good thing for the
fast-forward button... 
 

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Sade
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.022049.13194@sbcs.sunysb.edu> Ronald Johnson writes:
>Hey...
>
>I know this isnt really related to hip hop, but I just thought youd like to
>know that Sade is going to be the musical guest on Saturday Nite Live this
>weekend...

What's the 411 on this woman????  I've seen her name pop up on this board a
half-dozen times already.  What is this new LP all about????

>                                                      RJ

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From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X soundtrack (was Re: Whatever happened to....)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:43:10 GMT

In article <ROBERTK.92Nov16130320@rkrajewski.lotus.com> robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.105501.27446@Cadence.COM> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
>
>   "Anti semetic but who ownes your company" All Terrain Infidel Killers (A.T.I.K)
>
>So, if they were real Muslims, would it be cool if they were *really*
>anti-Semitic ?

I think you got the wrong end of the stick 
 
"Anti Semetic but who owns your company"  I was refering to the 
hypocricy of PE not that Anti-semetism is good. 

>
>   Remember Elijah was half white so he has the devils blood running
>   through his veins and as a result has mislead many of the Brothers
>   and Sisters.
>
>What does it have to do with "devil's blood" ? Maybe he was just
>blinded by hate. You say that Islam is a universal religion, so how
>can label whites "devils" (as you have here) and still include them in
>Islam ?

When I said Elijah had the Devils blood running through his veins 
 
I said it to all those NOI/BN/5%'s out there who do think that  
the white man is a devil so I can point out to them that Elijah 
by their/his own standards can't be trusted. 
 
Let me make this clear ISLAM does not advocate racism I do not consider 
whites or anyone else devils because of their colour, I consider 
peoples attitudes and motives as indicators of them being devils 
or not. 
 
Peace Mas 
 
ISLAM, My source of Force. 
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From: ramos-jaime@yale.edu (Jaime Ramos)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: PE in New Haven, CT
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:59:52 -0500
Organization: Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520
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In case any of y'all was wondering:
On 30 November, PE will be at Toad's Place in New Haven, but they will not be
there with House of Pain or Ice-T. Instead, there are two acts I've never heard
of before. I'm going anyway. Shit, PE alone is worth the $20.
Incidentally, this is the first rapp show at Toad's since Ice Cube a few months
back. There was some violence at that show, and the club didn't wanna bring any
more rapp acts 'cause they thought that rapp shows cause violence. I'm glad to
see that they changed their minds. I only hope that nothin' happens at this
show.
					Peace,
					J. Ramos
					ramos@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: cs201127@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs201127)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: 3rd Bass VS. Beasties
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:31:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

In article <1992Nov17.195558.29161@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <8f0nzzO00iUxA9RNpJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eric Thomas Zeszotarski <ez08+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>> My roommate once read where Serch used to come over to Mike D's house
>>and try to be his friend. D used to sit in his bed and throw stuff at
>>Serch and laugh at him. "hey Serch, here it comes!"
>>
>
>Sounds like something made up by a Beastie Boy fan who does not like 3rd
>Bass...

This is true.  It was in a magazine article (SPIN I think) about a year ago.

>                                        T-Dub
>                                        SHYGUY Productions
>

-Jay (3rd Bass and Beastie Boy fan)

P.S. Beastie Boys are better! (ha!)
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From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Subject: Re: House of Pain
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:56:49 GMT

In article <BxtsK2.96r@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.183759.29568@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:

>>L.A. still claims them as their own.  They talk like they're from Brooklyn,
>>but really they're from the Valley.  My roommate tells me Danny Boy used to
>>be in a white skinhead gang up there.  Was a real racist asshole at one point,
>>so my impression is that these guys are total hypocrites.  

>are you sure the skinhead "gang" that he hung out with was racist.  not
>all are. 

yeah, true.  actually I had it kinda wrong.  He was IN the mickey mouse club.
which IS a racist skinhead gang.  This is all according to a highschool class-
mate of his, and a friend of my roommate.  They even mention Mickey Mouse Club
in one of their songs, but I can't remember which one.  

Has anybody heard the new remix of Shamrocks and Shenanigans they've been 
playing lately?  (anyone in LA, it's the one the play on KROQ, believe it or
not).  It's a lot better than on the album.  

Other HOP comments:
I heard they might be making a guest appearance at the Cypress/Beasties/Rollins
show on the 24th (in L.A.).  Anybody else see the tour?  Did HOP show up or is
this just an L.A.-only thing? Or is it just some no-basis-in-reality rumor?

T
From: der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Malcolm X and Ice Cube and stuff...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:12:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Its that David guy again from CWRU....

This is how it is....


ICE CUBE-- The Predator

The thing that I like about this one is how he manages to still
come up with original, imaginative samples. Some might ask, "What
is an 'original sample?' But there is skill in choosing what sample 
to use and how to use it. 

Y'all know its dope, so go out and get it. It does not help by
me saying that I thought it was live, phat, dope stuff like that.
I'll leave that to those folks on this group who post those long 
reviews discussing every detail. In an effort to avoid redundancy,
I'll move on....



Malcolm X-- the movie, and both soundtracks...?

Hmmm... The interesting thing about this is how I can express my views
about the movie in this post without violating the terms of this group.
Hmmm... How about this:

Before I went into the theatre to see MALCOLM X, I stopped by the 
record store. I picked up Ice Cube (and bought it), then I picked
up Malcolm X "music from the movie" This was some type of Jazz 
compilation of music from the movie. It did not seem like anything
that a hip-hop, reggae junkie like me would have liked. Then, there was 
the Motion Picture Soundtrack... This is the one with "Revolution" on it. 
This is the only hip-hop track on it.

I have five minutes before I get kicked off, so let me post this and 
I'll be right back. 

See ya..
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 11:24:23 CST
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Dr. Dre and Time/Warner

I heard on the radio last week that Dr. Dre's new album, "The Chronic" will be
released some time next year.  He was SUPPOSED to release the album under his
independent label, but because of the suit with Sleazy E, his album is gonna be
released through Interscope (a Time/Warner affiliate) and distributed thru
Priority.  Interscope, being an affiliate of Time/Warner, wants Dre to remove
two songs that express his disdain for law-enforcement officials.  Big surprise
there... His album will feature Snoop, and a bunch of others that I never heard
of before.
Any updates or corrections are highly appreciated...
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 11:30:35 CST
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PARIS
Distribution: usa
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 <4f48EK600iV1A7XP9O@andrew.cmu.edu> <ISBELL.92Nov23090344@panther.ai.mit.edu>

When it comes to Paris, I don't think that he's the BEST producer or lyricist,
but as far as I'm concerned, he's not a slouch, either... I think he does have
skills behind the boards and on the mic, and he definitely gets his point made.
'Nuff props to Paris, and I hope his album lives up to my expectations.
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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: ROXANNE SHANTE
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:02:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194447.23162@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:
>I dont have Shante's latest, and Ive hesitated to buy anything by her because
>honey's voice is soo annoying!! Yeah, she's fly and all that, but its not like
>if when I play her tape she is going to appear and start flowing in person, ya
>know?? Anyway, I heard Grand Daddy IU wrote the lyrics to that song where she
>disses all the females in the rap bizniz...anybody know what happened to *his*
>career?? I  hesitated to buy his album, but I picked it up when I saw the CD
>for $2.99(Im a sucka for a sale) and it was kinda cool...That girl that sang

I dont know.  He's probably working on an album of his own, but I've seen his
name in the credits for a lot of other artists recently, so dude is busy. 
Also, think about how many artists from COld Chillin' are putting stuff out?
When's the last time you heard from Kane, Biz, Shan, The Genius, etc?  Remember
that COld Chillin' is distributed by Warner Bros.

>on his "Sugar Free" should try to get herself a record deal! So many divas out
>there waste their time being backups for rappers(NO, IM NOT DISSING RAP!!) when
>they could be in the forefront on their own!...And that honey thats singing on
>Marky Marks song(what a waste of a great voice!!), also Penny Ford(Snap) all
>of these sistas need to go solo...
>
>                                                          RJ

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
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From: dedward1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Deirdre Edwards)
Subject: Re: X: The Movie
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:29:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.054310.15938@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92) writes:
> 
> Just saw it... Dope... Go See it... 'Nuf Said....
> 
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> 
> 
>Also just saw it...Really dope...See it two times

		Ethan

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: X: The Movie
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:43:10 GMT

Just saw it... Dope... Go See it... 'Nuf Said....

                                   T-Dub
                                   SHYGUY Productions

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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Wondress
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:15:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.220714.25331@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:
>Hey...
>
>          I left out a name in the list of divas who sing on tracks of rappers
>....Does anyone know what happened to Wondress?? She was the female who sang
>backup on Mantronix' previous album, "This Should Move Ya"...You know that R&B
>flavored track "Gotta Have Your Love(gotta finda wayta get into your heart...)
>She was no Aretha, but she had a cool voice, and she wasnt on their last album,
>"Incredible Sound Machine". They got this other girl called Jade Nate' or some-
>thing like that...Anyone know whats up with Mantronix and his group(as opposed
>to remixes he might have done for other artists).....
>
>                                                                  RJ

I can remember back in the day taking the train to school and listening to
hardcore Mantronix jams in my walkman.  I cant say I've heard all their latest
stuff, but from what I remember, it is on a VERY different tip from their
original stuff, which was straight up rap, I think.  It's been a long time.


K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and Ice Cube and stuff...
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:01:57 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

der2@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Rives) writes:


zapp

>ICE CUBE-- The Predator

>The thing that I like about this one is how he manages to still
>come up with original, imaginative samples. Some might ask, "What
=============================================
Puke!
It's not difficult to make a dope track by sampling alot of PE etc. beats.

example, Wicked track, OK it's dope hard etc. but the beats all used before
fuck him, I dont respect him for that.

another stupid example: 'A good day' or whatever the title is, that track
makes me puke when thinkin about how he used that 'Compton's most Wanted' sample.

>is an 'original sample?' But there is skill in choosing what sample 
>to use and how to use it. 

Originality is to find a dope and (nearly atleast) unused sample.
If you cannot make original music yourself, let someone else do it.

The hard Truth.

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: pIN The Tail On The Honky (Ice Cube/Lenchmob)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:44
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 06:45:00 GMT

>>>>> "Amil" == Amil  <v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> writes:
	[lots of stuff deleted]
  Amil> 	Thats a good point.  True, the record co. has 'final cut' through
  Amil> the contract, but its still a form of censorship.  Any way you look at
  Amil> it.  
  Amil> 	But thats not my focus anyway.  Nobodys REALLY cryin censorship
  Amil> over those incedents...ARE THEY?  No.  Ice Cube isnt complaining.  But
  Amil> then why write about it?  Why make a big deal about it?

What is your focus then? Nobody's crying censorship because there was none.

  Amil> 	...BECAUSE it will LEAD to, what you call, "real cases of
  Amil> censorship".  See, all the warning signs are NOW...we cant come alive
  Amil> when rap is banned, we have to stop that from happening!  Now.  

Where's the banning in this case? Fill me in. One party provided some
material. The other decided they wouldn't distribute it. I fail to see how
this is banning or could even lead to banning. We practice this behavior
every day. I learned about incremental parsing today and choose not to tell
you. Am I banning information on incremental parsing?

*My* point is that there's a hell of a lot of information that is truly
censored. Information that the government, corporations, and individuals
would actively prevent you from receiving because they consider it indecent
or dangerous to their power. Nobody, other than Ice Cube, is actively
preventing you from hearing "Pin the Tail on the Honky". To try and puff
this up into a real case of censorship or even the beginnings of censorship
is just plain incorrect. Worse it confuses the issue.

  Amil> 	And you seem a little confused, actually.  You should know
  Amil> that censorship IS DONE by "*somebody else*".  You should look up
  Amil> the definition.  It fits.  

Sure but in this case what is that *someone else* doing?

From Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary:
censor: To examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered
objectionable.

Is Ice Cube's record company suppressing or deleting something considered
objectionable? Certainly they're choosing not to be associated with
something they consider objectionable. If that's your definition of
censorship and you object to it then I'm sure you would appreciate the
Klan's right to burn a cross on your front yard. Otherwise *you* would be
censoring their free speech.

  Amil> 	But all Im really saying is that unless the hip-hop LISTENERS
  Amil> speak up...

About what? Let me know when you come up with something.
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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: CATS:  Already?  The 2nd Annual New Jack Hip Hop Awards
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.040742.12770@wam.umd.edu>, gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
>	How 'bout dopest remix?
>	That would be pretty good...
>
>Ravi


I'll second that.


K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92