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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:27:00 PDT
Reply-To:     rdw@SCOUT.HUMBOLDT.EDU
From:         rdw@SCOUT.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      TINY TAFEL ERRORS
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

   I am sending this message in regards to the many inquiries about the
tiny tafel which i posted recently. Several people requested informatio
n about the location of the different people listed. Those individuals on
the tiny tafel lacking places of birth/death/marriage etc. was left off
because i did not have the information to enter. However, most of the people
on my tiny tafel come from a handwritten genealogy which was given to me by
my great aunt. She obtained it from John Henry Fiedler, who was 85 years old
at that time. His information was not as complete as desired, but i think it
is pretty accurate. I must verify his data and will do so as soon as funding
allows. My great aunt told me that all of the people on the report were from
Batchtown, Calhoun county, Illinois. Most of the people lived there most of
 their lives and that county does keep good records back to about 1830 or so. If
 you
want to contact that county, you will probably find more details on these people
, but i have not yet done this. I entered what i had on hand for fear that it
would get lost or destroyed. Some of the family names such as ELLIOTT,BUNDY,
and others are the spouses of the Fiedler clan. My family connects to the
Fiedler clan through my great grandmother. I will gladly send a gedcom file
if it will be of interest. There may be a few tidbits available in the gedcom
 files as opposed to the tiny tafel. I apologize for any
inconvenience which this tafel may have presented and will gladly look up
as much as is availble in my holdings and share it with anyone . Happy
hunting all !!!!


                                         Robert D. Webster
                                         Media Services Tech., Library
                                         Humboldt State University
                                         Arcata, Ca. 95521
                       internet address: rdw@scout.humboldt.edu
From: alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO ((Alf Christophersen))
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Mail problem
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:41:51 GMT
Reply-To: "(Alf Christophersen)" <alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO>
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FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU says:

>Jim Freed says:

>>Over the last week or so, when I've sent messages to ROOTS-L, I've
>>received back messages that the mail has been "rejected by CEO".  AND
>>this message is always received AFTER a first message indicating
successful
>>transmission to the net.  This last time I copied down where the rejection
>>message is coming from and it states "op@dg-rtp.dg.com".   Have all the
>>others of you who have sent messages to the net also received back
>>"rejection" messages as well, and what is the explanation and what do we
>>do about it?

>I would also like to know what to do about it because I have also had
>problems  sending
>sending mail to ROOTS-L lately.  But my mail is rejected through our local
>"post office" center.

I think I know what's happening, and the guy behind the address has also
complained that he is boycotted by Roots-L. His address has suddenly
changed, so I think I have to delete his old account. Hope that will help.

Alf CHristophersen (This function also as a test :-)
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:31:39 PDT
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Wanted Newsletter: Lowe's News is good news
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

lowe@fnx.uucp (Phill Lowe) asks:


>I am trying to find the source of what we believe is a family newsletter
>with the title like:  Lowe's news is good news.  One of the family came
>across it in some research and would like to know more.  They also though
>it is was put out in the early eighties.  I don't know if that is 1980 or
>1880 or 1780.  They are working on data from Missouri in the 1830's to
>the best of my knowledge.   Any ideas?

Well... Melvyl says.. if they ain't in MO, look in KS!

6.
Author: Lowe, Blanche Beal.
Title:  Growing up in Kansas : recollections about the Beal family,
1874-1902 / by Blanche Beal Lowe. [Midland, Tex. : C. Beal],
1989.
Description:    99 p. : ill., ports. ; 24 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.

Subjects:       Beal family.
Lowe, Blanche Beal -- Family.

Call numbers:   UCB     Main    F689.W6 L69 1989
CSL     Sutro   CS71.B384 1989

7.
Author: Lowe, Blanche Beal.
Title:  Side lights and byways: a supplement to Twelve generations of
one line of Lowe. [Stanton, Calif., 1972]
Description:    62      . facsims. 28cm.

Notes:  Reproduced from typescript.

Subjects:       Lowe family.

Other entries: Twelve generations of one line of Lowe.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   CS71 L912 1972

Good Luck!

Tom
From: lhe@dash.udev.cdc.com (lh erickson 913-469-9264)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Recording Place Names
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:01:42 GMT
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Joe Gardner-JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:

>The recent discussion about recording place names in political entities
>that no longer exist (e.g. the Austro-Hungarian Empire), suggests a
>similar problem I've sometimes puzzled over: how do you record events that
>took place away from home?   

Hey, some interesting and thought-provoking points.  I have a relative who
lived in Chesterton, Indiana his entire life, and is buried there.  But
I could not find his death certificate.  After much searching, I discovered
he had died in Chicago while visiting a relative!  Perhaps there are times
when a field titled "last residence" would be helpful in addition to an
accurate "place of death".  However, in the case of an extended illness
where the individual perhaps moves from a limited care facility to extended
care, to intensive care facilities, perhaps in different towns?  Well, in
this instance, I would tend to record the place of last residence as 
the home before limited care, and then to exact place of death.  

Ron Erickson
lhe@hare.udev.cdc.com

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From: clark@soldev.tti.com (Ralph Clark)
Subject: Re:      US Civil War Military Conscription
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:29:22 GMT

The Union Civil War draft records must be a great source. One day at the
library, a woman got on the public address speaker and invited everyone to
the classroom for a quick lesson on a really great thing she had found.

She said that all men in the northern states who were between 18 and 45 in
1863 were required to register with a local draft board, including those
who were then serving as volunteers in a state unit. 

There is no form to submit. Write a letter to:
    National Archives, 7th and Pennsylvania, Washington DC

"Please search for information about John Doe in the consolidated lists and
the descriptive rolls of the Civil War draft records of the 99th Congressional
District of the state of Indiana."

The catch is that you *must* provide the Congressional District Number (not
now - then) of the place where the registrant resided. I understand that
there is some kind of published list available - maybe another reader can
tell us about it. I haven't done this exercise myself.

What do you get? The lecturer said this:

Consolidated Lists:                       Descriptive Rolls:
  Name                                      Description
  Residence                                 Exact place of birth
  Age as of July 1, 1863                    Accepted or rejected
  Occupation
  Marital Status
  State, territory, or country of birth
  Military organization (if he was a volunteer)

Happy hunting --- Ralph

Ralph Clark (clark@soldev.tti.com) {philabs|psivax|rutgers}!soldev!clark
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:48:26 CDT
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 1920 Census
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu
              Oct 13, 92 6:15 pm

> have 3 weeks to go through it. The index is a Soundex index, and the records
> are listed alphabetically by the first name, for each soundex code.
> They don't yet have a Soundex index for all states though, if I remember
> well. You can always check with the National Archives (or one of its regional
> branches)
> in Wash DC.

According to the 1920 film catalog of the National Archives: "The Bureau of
the Census created and filmed Soundex index cards for the entire 1920
census.  The Soundex is a coded surname (last name) index..."  "The Bureau
of the Census used two separate Soundex cards, the "family card" and the
"individual card".  Both types of cards are arranged numerically by the
Soundex code and then alphabetically by the first name of the head of the
household on the family cards and the first name of the individual on the
individual cards."

For North Dakota, for instance, there are 48 films, for New York, there are
885.

Need any further help, I've got the catalog.

--
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:01:47 EST
Reply-To:     EMLUCAS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
From:         EMLUCAS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Dunderman family
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello to everyone out there in ROOTS-L Land...
I'm looking for any information on the DUNDERMAN family. The first member of
this family came from Germany to Medina Co., OH in the late 1840s. From there
the family spread to Paulding Co. Ohio, Indiana, California and places unknown.
Anyone with information please send a message to the address listed below.
Thanks--
Elaine M. Lucas
EMLUCAS@ucs.indiana.edu  Internet
or
EMLUCAS@iubacs.bitnet    Bitnet
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Montjoys
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:34:33 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

NORMAN%MACALSTR.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU writes:

>the Mountjoys are from--Northern Ireland.  The Montjoy name can be Irish,
>French, Norman French, French-Canadian or English.  Presumably it got its
>start as Charlemagne's battle cry from a hill of that name where Charlemagne
>pitched his tent.

If it was Charles the Great, any battle cry would surely have been in ancient
German, ie Frankish. He did speak Latin too, but I don't think they fought 
their wars in Latin. One reverts to the old mothertongue for that. :-)

Fred
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609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:48:07 PDT
Reply-To:     John Pimentel <pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         John Pimentel <pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Announcing CMAPUG (Central Mass PAF User Group)
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

On October 17, 1992 and every third Saturday of every month, the CMAPUG
(Central Massachusetts Personal Ancestral File User Group) will meet in
Marlborough, MA.  The coverage for the group is all of eastern Mass. most of
western Mass, the south shore, the north shore.

Directions:
From 495 take the Rte 20 exit to Marlborough going through 8 sets of lights and
at the 9th set taking a left.  Go to the end and the entrance is in front after
the stop sign.  LDS building.

From 85 (south of Marlborough) travel north until coming to the intersection of
Rtes 20 and 85 take a right and travel through 3 sets of lights and take a left
at the 4th set.  (See above)

From 85 (north of Marlborough) travel south crossing the intersection that leds
to/from Rte 290 and through 2 sets of lights and take a left travel through to
the next intersection that joins up with Rte.20 and travel through 1 set of
lights and take a left at the next set of lights.

From 117 (west of 495) take 117 east till either 495 or 85.

From 117 (east of 495) take 117 to Rte. 62 and connect to Rte 85 travelling
south.

From 27 take Rte 9 west to connecting to Rte 85.

From Rte. 20 (west of Marlborough) travel east and add two sets of lights.

From Rte. 20 (east of Marlborough) travel west and a right at the 3rd set of
lights.

Landmarks at the turning off intersection are:
    Mobil Station  Cumberland farms.
    A left/right will place Cumberland Farms on your right

Short instructions are:  Take Rte 20 till Wilson Street and travel to the end
and after the stop (travelling straight ahead) is the LDS building at the
intersection of Hemenway Street.

Contact:
    John Pimentel
    (508) 568-8760
    47 Church Street
    Hudson, MA 01749
From: dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Searching STARBIRD
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Oct16.181817.2003
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

I 've been going through some GEDCOM data and have come across the name
STARBIRD.  I have 3 or possibly 4 individuals of that name.  They are
all from Maine back in the early to mid 1800's.  I thought the name was
unusual enough that it might be worth a shot.  If you have the STARBIRD
name, especially if it's associated with DENNETT, I'd love to hear from
you.

I'm still consolidating my gedcom data so I'm not yet sure of what I
have, but I do have several people of that name.

Thanks,
 
Charles Dennett  --  dennett@Kodak.COM  --  Any DENNETT information welcome.
Researching: BARNARD, CORBETT, DENNETT, DURGIN, FROST, STODDARD, WHITNEY.
Mostly Colonial New England to present.  STODDARD is Nova Scotia.
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From: FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Mail problem
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:41:12 GMT
Reply-To: FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
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Jim Freed says:

>Over the last week or so, when I've sent messages to ROOTS-L, I've
>received back messages that the mail has been "rejected by CEO".  AND
>this message is always received AFTER a first message indicating successful
>transmission to the net.  This last time I copied down where the rejection
>message is coming from and it states "op@dg-rtp.dg.com".   Have all the
>others of you who have sent messages to the net also received back
>"rejection" messages as well, and what is the explanation and what do we
>do about it?

I would also like to know what to do about it because I have also had problems
 sending
sending mail to ROOTS-L lately.  But my mail is rejected through our local
"post office" center.
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From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Tree program for HP-GL plotters?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:04:04 GMT

In article <3880005@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>
karen@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Karen Helt) writes:
 
>Does anyone know of a program that will take a GEDCOMM file and draw a
>family tree (I would like both ancestral and descendent trees) on a HP-GL
>plotter?  I have a large (D-Size) HP plotter connected to my PC.  I have my
>data in PAF.  The plotter would be great for making wall-size charts if
>I had a program to do so.  A DOS program would be best, but if the source
>code is provided, I could port it.  Assuming I can't find a program already
>written, would anyone else be interested in such a program if I write one?
>
>Karen Helt
>karen@hpisla.lvld.hp.com
 
I also have an HP plotter (not huge, but it does take paper larger than
8 1/2 x 11).  So, if such a program exists, please let me know too.
Karen, if you write one, I am definately interested.  Let me know if you
need any specifics about the plotter.  I could also beta test for you.
 
Thanks,
Teresa
 
PS Where do you find the time?  Programming projects at home went by the
   wayside about 9 1/2 years (and 4 children) ago.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:20:10 -0400
Reply-To:     "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Genealogical Societies: Card Indexes?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Bob Oliphant says:

  I have found the Ohio Genealogical Society to be especially helpful....
  They also provide a 3X5 card index of the ancestors of all members, and
  when you send in your cards, they will match them with those of existing
  OGS members who have the same ancestors so you can exchange information.
  I got a great deal of information on a line I had been stumped on for
  many years this way.

Bob and anyone else -- how (and how well) do such systems work?  I
once suggested it to someone at the NEHGS, and they said they had
tried it but they ended up with a box of cards that no one had time to
sort or take care of.  Alas, such problems are all too common.

It seems to me that there should be some way to work a card index.
Just think, while you're agonizing over an elusive ancestor, the
researcher at the next table may have all the information you need.
A few thoughts:

Maybe limit it to surnames on which the researcher has a _lot_ of
information, not just a few generations in one line.  (This means
fewer cards to deal with.)  There are many genealogists who have large
collections of a single family, and it would be great to have a way to
find them.

(Aside -- a society might occasionally ask members if they have such
collections, and publish a list of surnames and contact information in
the newsletter.  Some researchers might prefer to have mail addressed
to them in care of the society rather than at home.)

Or limit it to surnames on which the researcher has information on at
least a certain number of individuals, and maybe have a space on the
card for the number the researcher has.  (I'd hate to count mine!)

Rather than let members send in cards, maybe require that anyone who
wants to use the file must bring their cards (standard format) to the
library.  The organization could require researchers to file their own
cards before searching through other people's.  Then they could
photocopy the ones that interest them, and return them to the file.
(This is an attempt to circumvent human nature.)

Farther in the future, this could be a job for the society's spare
computer that people using the library can use.  (Hey, I said this was
in the future!)  If the info from the cards could be entered into the
computer somehow (I doubt that scanners are up to handling many
people's handwriting yet) it would be easy to match people up and
print out the information.

So there are hardware, software, and "liveware" problems, but a
matching system would be very useful if it could be achieved.  Ideas?

Carol Botteron    botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
(environmental chemist - anyone's profession farther from genealogy?)
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: How to get Started
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:13:23 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <DAOFFER.92Oct8083745@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.143525.28107@qualcomm.com> jstahley@qualcomm.com (Joseph E. Stahley III) writes:

>	Can anybody suggest what type of software to use for a Mac?

>I use Reunion on the Mac to keep track of my work.  I tried demo copies
>Reunion was ~$150 when I bought it and they (Leister Productions) usually 
>advertise in the "Classified Market" section of MacWeek or MacUser.

I also use REUNION, which has a further GEDCOM upgrade since I bought it
to bring it into "full" conformity (if such exists for this moving target).

The price from Mac Connections, delivered in under two days through an
800 number with a Credit Card order, was $115.

Tom

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:38:04 EDT
Reply-To:     Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
From:         Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Genealogical Societies: Card Indexes?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania maintains a "Surname Interest File".
The file is maintained on 3" x 5" cards and consists of the following
information:
  1- surname of interest
  2- time period
  3- location
  4- associated surnames
  5- your own name and address

The cards are kept on file in their library where anyone can browse through
them.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:03:55 LCL
Reply-To:     "(David Evans)" <dke@ORVILLE.HO.BOM.GOV.AU>
From:         "(David Evans)" <dke@ORVILLE.HO.BOM.GOV.AU>
Subject:      Wanted: One Welsh Worker
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Greetings from The Land Down Under.

I am trying to find out about my g-g-g-parents, most of whom
come from Wales.

I have a death certificate which gives my g-g-g-m's birth (1831)
and marriage (1851) location as SHILAN in Glamorganshire, Sth
Wales. My g-g-g-f was born in RUDRY, also in Glamorganshire.

Rudry was easy to find, however I cannot locate Shilan.  Does
anyone have a better (or older?) map that shows up Shilan?  Was
it swallowed up to become a suburb of Cardiff or Newport?


David Evans
dke@bom.gov.au
"The sap in the family tree!"