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From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Subject: Re: Give Cowboys a 'lil credit
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.124904.8507@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August) writes:
>
>Philly is my second favorite team, but Dallas deserves some credit.
>They were able to gain productive yards against one of the best 
>defenses of all time, in their backyard.  The score doesn't tell
>the whole story, I think offensively Dallas gained more yards than
>the Eagles.  Well anyway congrats to Philly, hope we meet in the SB.
>
>
>--
>
>The rayster             ** Go Oilers
>                        ** Go Braves
>                        ** Bulls in 93
>

I think offensively Dallas gained more yards for Philly than for
themselves. The score doesn't tell the whole story? Please, it was
an old fashioned whooping. Dallas may win next time, but for now
Philly is leagues ahead of Dallas.

- Go Jets -
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 15:56:03 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sunday Stats: Lions

Here's the stats for the Detroit Lions in their 27-23 loss to the Tampa Bay
Bucs.

Team Stats:
                      TB                           Det
First Downs           21  (6 ru, 13 pass, 2 pen)   18 (2 ru, 14 pass 2 pen)
3rd Down Eff          6/13                         5/11
Rushing Yards         36/147 (4.1 avg)             20/70 (3.5 avg)
Passing Yards     17-30-248 3int (8.3 avg)         20-31-298 0int (8.8 avg)
Punts              2-79 (39.0 avg)                  2-105 (52.5 avg)
Kick Return yards  4/76                             4/123
Punt Return yards  0/0                              1/2
Int Returns        0/0                              3/2
Penalties          11/70                            5/45
Fumbles/lost        1/0                             0/1 (??)
Time               32:46                          27:14

Rushing Stats (Individual)
Sanders   20-70    Avg: 3.5  Long: 13   TD: 0

Passing (individual)
Peete   20-31-323 TD: 1 Int: 0

Receiving (individual)
Perriman 9-117 Long: 32 TD: 0
Green    5-66  Long: 20 TD: 0
Barrett  2-34  Long: 24 TD: 0
Campbell 1-78  Long: 78 TD: 1
Farr     1-13  Long: 13 TD: 0
Matthews 1-11  Long: 11 TD: 0
Sanders  1-4   Long: 4  TD: 0

Punting
Arnold 2-105 Long: 60

Kickoff Return (individual)
Gray   3-123 Long: 89  TD: 1
Johnson 1-0  Long: 0   TD: 0

Punt Return (individual)
Gray  1-2 Long: 2 TD: 0

Defense (Tackles)
Player               Solo      Ast      Sacks        Total
Spielman               6        4         0            10
W. White               7        2         0             9
Blades                 3        3         0             6
Scott                  6        0         0             6
Jamison                5        1         0             6
Pritchett              3        2         0             5
Gibson                 4        1         0             5
Crockett               2        1         0             3
Cofer                  2        1         0             3
Ball                   2        1         0             3
Jenkins                1        0         0             1
S. White               0        1         0             1
Owens                  1        0         0             1
Porcher                1        0         0             1
Hayworth               1        0         0             1


Field Goals Missed:  Hanson 54
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From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:46:37 GMT

In article <1asnh3INN540@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.182852.735@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>In article <1aq239INNiu9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes...
>>
>>[Deletions]
>>
>>>Gannon then came through with some
>>>crisp passing  (I really think with more exp, this
>>>lad will be a premier quarterback) and Roger Craig and Chris Carter
>>>also stepped up.  
>>
>>The only problem I have with what you've said so far is about Gannon 
>>being a premere QB if he gets more experience.  Gannon already has 6 
>>years of NFL experience and lots of playing time.  I don't think more 
>>experience is going to make much difference.
>>
>	Well, most of this time, he was a backup behind Kramer and
>	Wilson. Gannon really has only been a "true" starter for about
>	one full season. Dont forget, Wilson was the starter at the
>	beginning of last year. Gannon really hasnt gotten FULL playing
>	time, and I agree with the above poster, with a year or two
>	more as the full starter, Gannon will be a good QB.
>

This is not meant as a flame, but more of a general question/comment.  Most
back-up quarterbacks are there for a reason, either very inexperienced, i.e.
a rookie, or in general less talented than the starter.  I know Gannon was 
pretty rough around the edges as far as his rookie year, but posessed a great
deal of athletic ability.  I am wondering how many other cases exist of a 
back-up coming in, after a number of years as second-string, and becoming a 
good and/or great player?  This is a similar question to that of baseball,
where a player never really gains much from longer periods of experience
but, on average, never really changes much in terms of ability.  In
other words, once average=always average.  Obviously there are many factors
that are different between the two games, not the least of which is number of
games played before players reach the professional level.  But does a player
who has been more-or-less average over his time as a professional football 
player really have a chance to improve?  If I were a betting man, I would 
say "no".

Steve Kelm  - a Vikings fan who is still mad about the '92 Twins
sckelm@vincent1.iastate.edu
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:04:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
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In a previous article, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) says:

>Be serious. They won a big game, not the Superbowl.
Oh and I suupose you would have said the same if Duffalo had won?  NOT!  Besides,
Buffalo hasn't won a super bowl!!!!

Mike
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From: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Subject: Re: LIONS update
Reply-To: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Organization: "Bell Northern Research - Richardson Texas"
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:00:33 GMT

In article <92274.023454343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (William Grant) writes:
|>The Detroit News reported that Rodney Pete was injured in Sunday's game
|>with Tampa Bay,  and will likely miss this weekend's game with NO.  Kramer
|>will get the start if Pete does not play.  Also the lions are returning to
|>a stretch-type of offense,  to give Barry Sanders a break,  in hopes that
|>the threat of 4 receivers will make him more of the danger he was the last
|>few years.  This stretched offense will be unleashed on NO This weekend in
|>the Dome.
       
The return to the strech offense seems like a good move - especially against
the Saints, whose defensive strength is at linebacker. The problem might be 
that the Lions are thin at WR. While I would rather see Peete in there, I have
confidence that Kramer can do the job. 

Do you have any more info on Peete's injury? Can we assume that even if he
doesn't play this week he will be back in time for the Minnesota game on 
Thursday Oct. 15?

chip
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Keywords: gimpy whiners
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:15:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct5.224419.4604@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>Michael "Classic Whiner" Zimmers writes:

First sign of a really class poster:  mucks with attribution lines.

>>Philip Hall writes:

>>>So quit whining, we'll see you in San Francisco in November. 

>>What is this knee-jerk reaction of Aints fans to label anything a Niner
>>fan says as whining?  (Waaaaaaaa.   Waaaaaaaaa.)

Second sign:  mucks with previous posts.

>Oh, gee, I dunno.  Case in point?
          ^^^^^^^
                 Truer words were never spoken.

>I've never heard such moaning and groaning over a 6-pt win in my life.
>(Although it may be outdone this week, given the 3-pt win over that
>deadly Rams-refs conspiracy at Matchstick Park)

Listen, you lamo, I'm really sorry that the net.Niner fans won't
pander to your idea of acceptable behavior by woofing like idiots
over a close victory attained despite unfavorable officiating.
If such infantile posturing is important to you, maybe we can find 
a suitable newsgroup for your type.  Then again, maybe we'll just
get you a dumb (seems like an operative word) terminal and enable
the local echo:  you can entertain yourself ad infinitum (sorry;
that's Latin, which doesn't seem fair given your obvious handicaps)
without bothering the rest of us (note I didn't say we'd *connect*
the terminal to anything).

>Maybe there is justice in the world after all.  Its nice to know that an
>organization that has been blessed with fielding some great teams and big
>wins is also cursed with totally clueless fans (at least the ones with
>net access), a stadium that reeks, and a mgt that can only lose money.

It's also nice to know that even in the enlightened atmosphere of Usenet,
certain things can be taken for granted, such as the boorish, sophomoric
and gripless behavior of some rather deprived football fans.

>Bud, bud, buuud.  It doesn't matter who wins (Saints WILL), the
>whiners will whine, and MORA will still be rightfully worshipped.

Well, at least you aren't calling for your coach's head like some
of the Bills fans.  That's about all you've got going for you.  I'd
be tempted to ask whether all Aints fans were like you, but I think
I already know the answer.  Too bad; the team deserves better.

>James Clyde  LSU '91    | Briscoe: "Yeh,...they's all keyed up."
                   ^^
                     Was this when you got your own broom?

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From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Give Cowboys a 'lil credit
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:55:03 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt)
Organization: Your Organization Goes Here

Sorry to break your heart Rayster, but the Cowboys and Eagles
won't play in the Superbowl because the CAN'T.  They're both
in the NFC.

-Jon
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: The Miami UV Rays
Followup-To: <BvKBDJ.1Ly@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:18:31 GMT


In article: <BvKBDJ.1Ly@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE) writes:

>A bill is something you get in the mail every first of the month.
>Something you FEAR.  Something you HATE LIKE HELL TO FACE.
>	Sounds like the Buffalo team I know and love!  (;

 
>>Oh well, that, that's the Bills for ya.
>>(A team with a non existant mascot)

>	Also a team that's 4-0.

Ahem, make that 4-1, there's only one team in the NFL until tonight
that is, that's 4-0 and it aint Bufoonalo.

John T.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:33:06 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL WIN THE BIG ONE
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct1.153659.14157@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) says:


>                COWPUSSIES
>                ----------
>            ACHYMAN:14-26 185 YARDS 0 TDS, 3 INT
                                            ^^^^^ Good call!
>            SLIPTH:23-86 YARDS, 0 TDS, 2 FUMBLES
                    ^^^^^ Pretty close, I think!
>            SWERVIN IRVIN:5-45 YARDS
                           ^^^^ More yards, but no -5- receptions...

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GET READY FOR A LOSS DOLPHANS!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:45:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
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In a previous article, v069qqqc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike C.) says:

>>Do people still use the sears catalog for toilet paper up there? 
>Actually I prefer JC Penneys... much better texture.
Hey, you aren't that guy on the movie AIRPLANE (the funny one) who was just
so thrilled about a sale at Penny's, are you??

Mike (The Dolfan one)
P.S.  I think this newsgroup ain't big enough for both our names.  :)
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From: zezula@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Chad E Zezula)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings' Coach Green
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:15:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Oct5.191519.27208
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1aq239INNiu9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes:
>
>BTW, I think Dennis Green is on the road to Coach of the Year.  
>Any comments?
>

It is obviously way too early to hand out coach of the year honors, but
there are MANY who are looking impressive after five weeks. . .

Don Shula - Miami
Bill Cowher - Pittsburgh
Dennis Green - Minnesota
Sam Wyche - Tampa Bay
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Quaterbacks:Steve Young the best in the league
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:25:53 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep29.055313.3562@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
> >Article: 27859 of rec.sport.football.pro
> >Subject: My Opinion on Troy Aikman
> 
> >These are my views on Troy Aikman.  His long passing seems to be improved form 
> >last year but his ball handling is still very poor.  He is one of the best 
> >short passers in the game and when it comes to a crutial 3rd down he has been
> >one of the best QB`s I have seen lately.
> 
> >I would rank Troy as the 2nd best Qb this year tied with Cunningham.  The
> >only one better is Kelly.
> 
> >Chris Van Dyke
> 
> Sorry dude, Troy and Cunningham would be ranked 3rd coz there are two
> Qbs better than them.  Above them is Jim Kelly as u have said.  But
> better than all of them at number one is definately STEVE YOUNG.  The
> best all round quater back right now.  His passing is great and running
> ( Cunningham who? no match compared to Young) can put a number of running 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Boy, your ass better be covered with a material better than asbestos
for this comment.  Cunnigham who?  Cunnigham is a proven player who
outrushes his running backs almost every week and has had >900 yds.
rushing seasons.  Young, is a great scrambler yes, but he has not
been a starter long enough to show that he has the consistency or 
durability of Cunningham (I know he was out all of last year but
have you seen those 20 ft high jumps over linebackers that
Cunnigham makes?)




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Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GET READY FOR A LOSS DOLPHANS!
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:07:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct2.095840.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>> For Dolli-phans, Life is a swirling eddy of dispair and then they die.
>> Bye for now!
> 
>    For Chips fans: Your Universe is a tiny bubble outside the realm
>of reality. By the way, what color is the sky in your world? Do people
>still use the sears catalog for toilet paper up there? Are you all using
>your chips for your fire place or are you smoking them in your pipe? Hey,
>were your parents related BEFORE they got married? Just kidding.
> 
> 
>                        -doug THE dolfan-


	Oh come now.  Did I accidentally walk into alt.flame.useless?

	Sheez....let's talk football here, folks, not toilet paper.

Jonny B.

(I wouldn't have posted this if I'd have seen some smileys...'Just kidding'
 doesn't count.  (: )
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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: Should Marv Levy Be Fired? (was Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:32:55 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes:
>started a dynasty by now.  Flame all you like, I dont really give a shit.
>Bill Polian (Bills GM) has put together a great team and I think that
>it is an injustice to keep a coach who is so stuck in his ways.

HAHAHAHA!  A typical New York fan!  Lose one game and you start crying
for the coach's head!  Boo-Hoo!!!

I guess it's the head coach's fault that Kelly is a choker?  Did you see
that guy's face before the last super bowl?  He was in such an emotional
state it was incredible.  And the Redskins kicked their butts!

Dave
auwen@convex.com
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From: derek@controls.ccd.harris.com (Derek Smith)
Subject: NFL Trade Deadline
Originator: derek@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:26:55 GMT



Does anybody know when this year's NFL trade deadline is ?

Thanks,

Derek R. Smith
Software Systems Engineer
Harris Controls
Melbourne, FL
From: 128a-1fb@web-3c.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:59:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3c.berkeley.edu

In article <Bv2C7I.G0y@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <WLITTLE.92Sep23150319@dante.nmsu.edu>, wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes...
>>I think Dallas D is a good one...they just seem to play according to
>>the team....Another words they seem to me to just get the job done
>>according to how big of lead they have etc...and sometimes the relax a
>>lot toooooo much!  Any comments??
>
>Just one Wes: Don't post anymore. You're embarrassing the hell out of
>all the educated Cowboys' fans.
>
>
>Doug
>
>                                  |                     ________Doug Evans
>                                  | State

 University of New York at Buffalo
             -----------------------

Sorry Doug, but what kind of Educated Cowboy fan goes to NEW YORK school
I bet you think Bills will win the AFC as well... NOT!!! 
Your education is being deprived up there in NEW YORK, need to head to 
T E X A S if you wish to have your education completed...

I hate all D*@! Yankees opps, make that only the uneducated ones, opps
Had it right the first time....

Go Oilers Go Cowboys Texas Bowl I coming soon....

Go Horns Go Bears  Cotton??? Rose??? Oh well

William Hackett 
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news: Keith Millard
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:30:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct3.125910.9979@clpd.kodak.com>, hammond@sys6.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516)) writes...

>The Pack must be desperate for DL if they sign Millard.  

TWEEEEEET!  5 yard penalty for stating the extremely obvious.  :-)

>I read somewhere
>(Pro Football Weekly?) that Seattle let him go, despite having just given
>up an early #2 draft choice for him, because his knee is bad, his attitude
>is worse, and he allegedly is having problems with alcohol and sterods.

I don't think you should be tossing around the alcohol and steriods 
accusations like that.  But to address the other issues:  The Packers 
delayed signing him for a couple of days while they had his knee 
checked out.  Apparently he passed the Packers' physical.  I would 
assume that Seattle gave him as well be for signing him.  And I don't 
think the Packers are too concerned about his attitude.  Ron Wolf, the 
Packers' new GM, spent most of his career with the Raiders.  He knows 
more about supposed 'attitude problems' than the rest of us ever will.

JGH
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:13:52 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Free Agency              

Well, so far we have Jackson going to Marino and slaughter going
to Moon. Obviously, any reciever in hi right mind would go to a
good quaterback, so teams with bad QB's will have no passing attack
at all (Bad QB+Bad WR=0)  Of course these teams will score a lot,
which will attract the good defensive free agents and the good teams
will get better.  Of course this means that the bad teams will only
get worse(unless they spend a fortune, which generally can't happen).
Therefore, after a few years of free agency, there will be 6 or 7
dominant teams waiting to play each other in the playoffs and that
won't change until the quarterback retires.....
The reason it is amplified in football (as compared to baseball) is
because football is a TEAM sport.  A reciever can't catch the ball if
the QB doesn't get it there.  A defensive back will have trouble getting
interceptions if there is no pressure on the opposing QB.  This means
it matters a lot more who is on your team than in baseball where a player
can bat .310 with 30 homers and 100rbi for any team in the league.
So basically, if free agency lives, dynasties will be common place and
the Steelers' 70's dynasty will eventually be considered brief.

The way I argued it sucked, but the ideas are right, IMO.
I'd argue more but I'm in a hurry.

               TTFN,
                  Chris
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Question
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:47:23 GMT

In article <5613@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>What was Tampa Bay's initial losing streak when they came into the league,
>and what was the first team that they managed to beat?
>

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers went 0 - 26 to begin their existance.  They
lost all 14 games in 1976 and lost the first 12 games the next year.
The Buccaneers won their first ever  regular season game  on week 13
of the 1977 season by beating New Orleans, 33 - ?, in the Superdome.
Saints coach, Hank Stram, was fired before the next game.
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