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From: javier@cs.utexas.edu (Javier H. Seen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.programming,utcs.under
Subject: ** PROGRAPH 2.5:  Is it any good? **
Date: 30 Aug 1992 16:41:14 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gorath.cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Comparison between Prograph and conventional Mac appl. programming
Keywords: Object-Oriented, "industry-based", THINK C


  For those who are knowledgeable of Prograph v2.5 (i.e., purchased
  and/or  experimented  with the package), I'd like to ask you what
  you think of it.  In particular,

    * Does it have a steeper learning curve than conventional Mac
      application programming (say, using THINK C v5.0.2)?

    * Does the package offer what the TGS Systems guys promise in
      their specs. (OO features, excellent programming environment,
      support for integrated C and Pascal libraries, good interface
      builder and editor/interpreter, an integrated database engine,
      debugger, SQL connectivity support, etc.)?

    * Since both Prograph and THINK C are  sold  at  a  low  market
      price of approx. $199.00 (though I'm sure THINK  C  can  be  
      purchased at lower
      educational prices, but I need to check that out), which one
      would you suggest me to use in order to actually learn Mac
      application programming?  Let's say that my intentions are
      geared toward industry requisites (for instance, I've worked
      with X11R4, so that falls within "industry-based" application 
      production software).

  I don't expect a stampede of respondents, so you can
  go ahead and post your opinion/answers and I'll read
  your [public] postings.

  I appreciate your advices beforehand.

  --Javier
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From: bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Myers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: SpaceSaver Upgrader
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Myers)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: bmyers@doc.cc.utexas.edu

I was just on Sumex, and I was trying to download the SpaceSaver
upgrade program, but was foiled in my attempt.  The util folder
had "stuffit-spacesaver-101-upx" listed but I got a "no such
file" error message when I tried to get the file.

I've run into this problem before when the name of a file is too
long, it get truncated, so I've tried "...upgrad.hqx" and
"...upgrd.hqx" with no good results.

Does anyone know the real name of this file so I can get up to date?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: dewey@centerline.com (Devan F. Dewey)
Subject: Re: AppleShare 3.0
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:04:13 GMT

In article <ceacU3i00WBKA5H592@andrew.cmu.edu>, ww10+@andrew.cmu.edu
(William Conrad Wojciechowski) wrote:
> 
> I am using AppleShare 3.0 on a Quadra 900.  Everytime I add new users, 
> and then try to start AppleShare up again I get the message There is a
> configuration problem.  I then open the Administrative software and get
> the message your Users & Groups file is damaged.
> 
> Any body have any answers or ideas?
> 
> Thanks


I don't think you should be shutting down the server to add users.


                             
               Devan F. Dewey | Senior Systems Analyst
          CenterLine Software | dewey@centerline.com
            10 Fawcett Street | "Leme esplain - no dere is
          Cambridge, MA 02138 | too much. Leme sum up."
                                       -Inigo Montoya
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: spworley@netcom.com (Steven)
Subject: Emacs availability?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:28:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'm looking for an Emacs port for the Mac: I have microemacs from
sumex-aim, but I really want a complete emacs, instead of the
tiny subset that microemacs has. (It doesn't even have search-and-replace!)
If I can find a PD or shareware version, great, but I'd be even willing
to pay for a commercial port or clone, like Epsilon on the PC. Since
I got a new PB 145 to just type in text and C code, I suddenly realize
how essential this editor is to me.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

-Steve

spworley@netcom.com
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Command key symbol
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <116978@muvms3.bitnet> (comp.sys.mac.apps), gary@muvms3.bitnet (gary's news) writes:
>What key combinations and font will produce the Command key symbol ???

Control-Q and Chicago, as you should have been able to figure out
in about 2 minutes with the keycaps DA.

+C


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Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: RE: Hypercard Magic Word
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:13:54 GMT

As far as I can tell, you don't even need to do that.  I got scripting
capability by grabbing the pointer icon and taking it above the 2nd level,
where it then becomes invisible.  However, there are selections under there,
you just have to believe.  Once you look in the menu bar, you find that,
lo and behold, you have the tools menu.  Use that to grab the white box
placed over the three highest levels in the list, and delete it.  The full
list can then be viewed and played with.  I never tried the "magic word"
because I never found it necessary!

Steve.

steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dave Walker)
Subject: Re: File viewer for Big Text Files?
Organization: U of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:58:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.224801.19142@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee) writes:
>
>I just got the Walnut Creek Desktop Library CDROM, but am at a loss
>of a way to conveniently view the books on it.  I tried EasyView, but
>it doesn't seem to like plain text.  TeachText doesn't like huge files,
>and Word seems like overkill for just reading text, although that's what
>I ended up using.
>
>Is there any PD program which does this well?  One neat way would be
>for a program to break a file into hypercard stacks, but anything better
>than Word would be great.  (like more?)

I'm a big fan of Edit II 2.0.2, a truly wonderful shareware text editor.
It's fast, and it's a godsend on the multiplatform network
we run here, because it *intelligently* handles end-of-line
characters -- it automagically handles Mac, Unix, and PC line endings
so that when you open a PC text file you don't see those stupid
box characters in place of linefeeds.  Likewise, if you open a Unix
text file it's smart enough to figure out that linefeeds denote
end-of-line, even though there's no carriage returns around, so all
your text doesn't come in as one long line.  It will handle files
as large as available memory -- I've opened files as large as 1200K
from inside of a 1600K memory partition.

It's available from mac.archive, sumex, etc.

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
|                                          "I don't read, I just guess"  |
| marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu       -Happy Mondays, "Wrote For Luck"  |

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: kenh@world.std.com (Ken Hancock)
Subject: Re: vertical bars from Persuasion2.1, ATM2.0.3, GCC film recorder
Organization: Isle Systems - Waltham, MA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:54:49 GMT

In article <simon.714700796@mmpe> simon@mmpe.mineral.ualberta.ca (Simon Tortike) writes:
>We have had a problem here for several months when printing slides
>on a GCC ColorFast film recorder. It manifests itself as vertical
>bars appearing in the spots where a carriage return exists in the text.

It appears to be a bug introduced in version 2.0.3 of ATM.  I've been told
that it does not exist with 2.0.2.  The also fault lies partially with the
application as well, since it's sending down a C/R as text instead of
parsing the lines themselves -- most applications don't do this.

The only workarounds which I'm aware of are to go back to ATM 2.0.2 or
to upgrade to ColorFast 2.0.


Regards,

Ken




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding)
Subject: Volts for PB100 just squawked!
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:14:51 GMT

Hey ho!
I've had Volts - the battery voltage utility from Lawrence Anthony
running on my PB for a few weeks now without a hitch.  Suddenly, I
noticed that the box that normally displays the voltage was empty.  I
clicked on the box and moved it around, and then the voltage reading
appeared in the top left of the screen on the menu bar (not _in_ it, but
pasted over it, mis-aligned a little).
At certain times, the reading would disappear altogether, and at others,
the app would be running, but with no box and no reading anywhere.
It also quit with a 'The applicaiton "unknown" has unexpectedly quit
because of a type 25 error...' message.

Any ideas anyone?  I can provide a list of inits, etc, if it will help.
Ta.

no box and no reading on the screen, but the application is still
running.
-- 
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==================================================================
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being very wasteful.  How true that is" Vice President Dan Quayle
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:13886 comp.sys.mac.system:11387 comp.sys.mac.programmer:14699 comp.sys.mac.comm:8449 comp.unix.aux:3274
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: $$$$$$$$$$$$$ WARNING !!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:04:55 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

When I spoke to Third Wave when looking into expansion options
for the SE/30, they made a point of telling me that the box
doesn't work with the Radius Rocket.  They volunteered the 
information both times I called them, because I mentioned that
I was interested in an accelerator card.  I find it hard to 
believe that they would do otherwise for another customer;
it seems more likely that this is a case of miscommunication.

-- Bill (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: zhimin@unssun.nevada.edu (Zhimin Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: The Updated Grammar File for MS Word 5.0 (mac version)
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: zhimin@unssun.nevada.edu (Zhimin Chen)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

I just received a copy of updated speller and grammar for MS Word 5.0 for Mac
from MicroSoft Corp.

I installed it in the MS Word 5.0. I found the speller is a real improvement
in terms of speed. However when I tried to use the grammar, the computer
can't locate the file, although it IS there in the Word Command file. Does
anyone know what the problem is?

By the way, I previously trashed the grammer because it takes lots of space
and gives nothing but very stupid suggestions. This time I wanted to give
the new version a new chance to see if it's better than its predecessor.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:14015 comp.programming:2550
From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.programming
Subject: Re: ** PROGRAPH 2.5:  Is it any good? **
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:21:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: javier@cs.utexas.edu's message of 30 Aug 92 21:41:26 GMT

In article <17rf9qINN1na@gorath.cs.utexas.edu> javier@cs.utexas.edu (Javier H. Seen) writes:

>For those who are knowledgeable of Prograph v2.5 (i.e., purchased
>and/or  experimented  with the package), I'd like to ask you what
>you think of it.  In particular,

I wrote a review of PG 2.5 for Computer Shopper as part of the Visual
OOP series.  It was in the July issue.

>  * Does it have a steeper learning curve than conventional Mac
>    application programming (say, using THINK C v5.0.2)?

Depends on whther you already know C or not.

If you've had a ton of experience with C, then obviously learning a C
environment on the Mac is easier than learning a non-C environment.

However, if you're starting from scratch (which it doesn't seem that
you are), then Prograph's curve is no steepr than any other language.

But if you're comparign learning a new, different programming paradigm
with learning the foibles of a language you already know on a new
system, then,. yes, Prograph's curve is steeper and longer.

>  * Does the package offer what the TGS Systems guys promise in
>    their specs. (OO features, excellent programming environment,
>    support for integrated C and Pascal libraries, good interface
>    builder and editor/interpreter, an integrated database engine,
>    debugger, SQL connectivity support, etc.)?

Yes.  SOme of the requires add-on modules though (C and SQL
connectivity, for instance).

I must say that the environment in my opinion, is about the best I'`ve
ever used in terms of seamless integration.  Extremely well designed.

>  * Since both Prograph and THINK C are  sold  at  a  low  market
>    price of approx. $199.00 (though I'm sure THINK  C  can  be  
>    purchased at lower
>    educational prices, but I need to check that out), which one
>    would you suggest me to use in order to actually learn Mac
>    application programming?  Let's say that my intentions are
>    geared toward industry requisites (for instance, I've worked
>    with X11R4, so that falls within "industry-based" application 
>    production software).

I'm not sure I'd consider X11R4 to be "industry-based," but if you're
saying "which of these will get me more jobs?", I'd have to say that C
is a lot more widespread than prograph in terms of its current usage.

A LOT more widespread.


jas
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From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Norton's Utilities 2.0's Speed Disk
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:38:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Is Norton's Utilities 2.0's Speed Disk "bug free" now for use under System
7.0?  If there are any remaining problems, what are they?  Any comments on
the quality of optimization achieved are welcome.

Jess Holle
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:13938 comp.sys.mac.misc:15688
From: faraullo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (THE BIG "F")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Virex definitions...
Keywords: Virex virus Microcom definitions
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:47:28 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I own Virex, version 3.1, by Microcom, and I was wondering if I
could somehow get a list of all the virus definitions for Virex. I
know that new virus definitions get posted in com.sys.mac.announce,
but I want to make sure that I have all of the definitions. Please
send e-mail to the address below, as I will not be able to check
this forum for the next three weeks. Thanks.

Frank Araullo
faraullo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: wanted:shareware backup software
Keywords: backup
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:57:18 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: all
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

gsmith@westmont.EDU (Greg Smith) writes:

}I am looking for an application that will work with either a tape drive or a 
}syquest removable for hard drive backup.  I do not have either yet.  I would 
}to find freeware but shareware is ok too.  If anyone has experience, possitive
}or negative please let me know. Thanks.

Look for a program called Newer.  I think it was specifically written for
situations like you describe.  I use it to backup to a SyQuest, and it works
great.  It doesn't do file compression, it makes the backup disk FInder-
readable, i.e. it is just an image of your source disk.  And, of course,
every subsequent time you run it it only copies files that have changed
since the previous run.  It never deletes files from the backup disk, even
if you delete some files from the source disk.  It seems to me to be 
reasonably fast and reliable, although the user-interface can be a bit
hard to figure out at first.

If you can't find it at an ftp site or through some other source, email
me and I'll try to send it to you.

--James Preston
  jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
Subject: claris translators
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Australian National University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:11:39 GMT

How can I obtain from Claris, or anywhere for that matter, updated
translators for use with Resolve or Works?  Most particularly I want an
Excel 3.0 (or soon 4.0 I suppose) translator.  Recently I needed to edit an
Excel 3.0 file, but I only have Claris Resolve and a translator for Excel
2.2.  A word 5.0 translator would be nice too.
I presume Claris are writing these things and supplying them with the
software now, so does anyone know if Claris are prepared to supply them to
owners who bought earlier?
Thanks
Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Subject: Re: WANTED: ASCII CHART DA
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:35:23 GMT

In <1992Aug25.173849.4413@donau.et.tudelft.nl> knop@dutecag.et.tudelft.nl (Peter Knoppers) writes:

>Can't you make one in your preferred word processor / drawing program
>and copy it to a page in the Scrapbook DA ?

Yeah, you can, but why would you go to all that work when there are plenty
of free ASCII chart programs around?
From: davea@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Arns)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:51:49 GMT
Subject: Testing...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps

test
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley)
Subject: Re: Where is SuperGlue?
Organization: Alfalfa Software, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:45:30 GMT

felciano@summit.stanford.edu (Ramon M. Felciano) writes:
: 
: Hi!
: 
: I'd like to get ahold of SuperGlue, but I can't figure out who makes it
: or sells it? I tried looking through MacUser (MiniFinders) without any
: luck. Does anyone know who makes the program?

It was originally published by Solutions International in Vermont.
Apparently they went under and it has recently been picked up by
someone because I saw it there at MacWorld.  Now the only question
is who.  I _think_ it was the DynoPage folks, but I could be wrong.
-- 
						nazgul@alfalfa.com

I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept
responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate
everyone else's.
From: ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Piper Keairnes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: AutoDoubler file info problem
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:00:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University

A major annoyance that I've had with AutoDoubler is that the file TYPE and
file CREATOR of a compressed file cannot be changed with any of the
utilities that I have (including ResEdit). I understand that a typical
unknowledgable user will not need to change file TYPEs or CREATORs, but I
think that this may be an underlying problem that may surface as other
problems also.

The question: can a file's Finder info be changed if it has been AutoDoubled?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: woodside@bnr.ca (Kevin Woodside)
Subject: Personal Organisers?? 
Reply-To: woodside@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:13:44 GMT

I am looking for a personal organiser/calendar program for the Mac.
More specifically, something that can be used as a logbook, meeting
reminder, activity tracker, and be able to dump your next months 
activities to a printer in a calendar type format.

What are your opinions as to what is the "mother-of-all-personal-organiser"
programs?

I will consider all software types (shareware, freeware, purchased).
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Kevin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: lhermens@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Leonard Hermens - CS)
Subject: Re: Color MediaTracks, Farallon Computing
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:00:39 GMT

In article <paul.714686263@informatics> paul@wupost.wustl.edu (Terrance Paul McCartney) writes:
>I am interested in purchasing a color version of MediaTracks. 
>  Does anyone know if Farallon computing is still alive?

    Farallon is discontinuing MediaTracks, according to a tech. support
    person.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mathmyka@tpki.toppoint.de (Mathias Myka)
Subject: Manhattan Graphics: comments on their support ?
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 14:25:08 GMT

I recently bought ReadySet Go, Version 5. After some time, I
noticed a problem in printing EPS files and therefore sent a
fax message to Manhattan Graphics (this was about eight weeks
ago).
Despite the fact that I sent them another fax two weeks ago, I
never got any reply.
Has anybody out there had similar (or dissimilar) experience ?

Thanks,

Mathias

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ejensen@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Erik Jensen)
Subject: Stuffit Deluxe upgrade price
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:24:04 GMT


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