From: cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: JJ (was Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor))
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:50:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan11.184818.12573@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>I don't know - is the #4 pick (4th, right?) in a draft worth 2 second rounders.
>Hell yes he's worth it.

Only Harry.  *Sigh.*  Not to nitpick, but it's 2 second rounders
and a first rounder-- Mustaf is also included in the deal.  But is
it really sensible to measure three-year veterans by their draft
positions?

Maybe Utah will offer Karl Malone (#13 overall), or Portland will
offer Clyde Drexler (#14 overall).  Philly can afford to trade
Jeff Hornacek (#46 overall), but definitely *not* Armon Gilliam (#2
overall).


>For Suns - loose Ceballos, replacable with Dumas.

Well, I'll refrain from comments on Ceballos' character :^), but I
don't know if Phoenix really wants to trade away their backup (and
good enough to start) SF at this point.  What if Dumas falls off the
wagon?

>Loose Knight - hasn't
>looked good this year and I don't think the Suns are using him correctly.
>Maybe he'd be better on a different team.

I agree that Negele Knight would be better on Dallas.  He does
better when he gets more PT.  Ceballos and Mustaf would also get
more PT in Dallas than in Phoenix.  And maybe JJ would be going to a
team that he likes.  So it's definitely a good trade for all the
players involved.  (I'm using "good" in a very loose sense of the
term here.  Knight and Ceballos would be losing the opportunity to
play significant roles on a possible championship team, and Mustaf
would be losing the chance to pick up a ring for sitting on the
bench.  I doubt that Knight or Ceballos would be happy with the
trade.  But it may be good for their games.)

>Frank Johnson has looked better
>and if JJ can play some time at point - look out. KJ, Majerle, JJ, Ainge
>guard rotation - I like it.

Yeah, if JJ can come in and immediately play point better than
Negele Knight, and if Dumas stays clean, then this should turn out
to be a good trade for Phoenix.  A couple of big "if"'s, there.

>For MAvs - they get something for basically nothing.

Nothing?  Are you familiar with the concept of "opportunity cost,"
Harry?  Do you have any idea how many offers Dallas has had for JJ?

>Ceballos is a real talent.
>He leads the leage in FG%, correct?

Good one, Harry.  Actually, he's 5th.  The league is lead by
superstar Jeff Turner.

>Knight has looked great in the past,
>hasn't this year for some reason.

Knight has always been streaky.  His rookie year, he started five
games near the end of the season for KJ and averaged over 20 points
and 10 assists in those five games.  He had 27 points in one of
them, and 19 assists in another.  He has also had other stretches in
which he has played very well.  But he has been inconsistent ever
since he joined the team, having many periods when he absolutely
disappears for weeks or months at a time.


>ON JJ:
>OK, so the guy reenters the draft.  What happens when he's drafted ~#10 this
>time.  He surely won't be as popular as #4 since he hasn't played in a year
>(out fo sight, out of mind) and held out against Dallas - he's a risk.  So
>what Dallas was offering at #4 might end up being much less than anything
>someone would want to pay at #10ish.  what happens with that stalemate?
>JJ want's what he thinks he's worth (#4).  He's screwed.

I'm sure he's prepared to deal with that situation.  Worst case
scenario for him is that he doesn't get offered what he wants, so he
signs a short contract and "roughs it" on $1.5-$2 mil/yr for a
couple of years, and then becomes a free agent.  He has tremendous
confidence in his own abilities, and is prepared to deal with that
eventuality.

Tony
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