HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: The Unwritten Law
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:56:58 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>Either you have a just and loving God who has no problem with
>>men loving men and women loving women, or you have an unjust God.

>Then, some people react to this cognitive dissonance with an "aha!"
>and realize the the whole line they've been fed is a crock of
>silliness, say their final fuck-yous to their co-religionist
>tormentors, and get on with their lives free at last of all
>that nonsense.

To which I can only add a googol of Amens!!

Colburn Eigen                              H|u> = E|u>
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave to Play a Lesbian!
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:09:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwis.thaaang.719204974
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux) writes:

>>In article 19386@tc.cornell.edu, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) 
>writes:
>>>In article <cornell.718734758@vivaldi> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
>>>>Wasn't it Vanessa Redgrave who played a lesbian in some TV movie
>>>>with Mariette (sp?) Hartley a few years back?
>>>
>>>No.  That was her psychopathic psyster, Lynn.

>True.  Lynn does the Weight Watchers meals commercials.

(Lynn in bed, busily eatiing out her lover. Throws back her hair,
gives the camera a *big*, *bright*, damp smile, exclaims:)

*This* is *LIVING*!!! (tm)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:38:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct10.023847.18641
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Paul Asente:
>>>If this is true, who are the cultural icons from the 1800's?

Jess:
>>Oh nobody much.  Just Beethoven, Pushkin, Liszt, Dostoevsky, and a
>>smattering of painters.  Inconsequential stuff like that.

hmm, I guess we're still at cross purposes for the word "icon". Of
people like this, I might claim that Mozart is an "icon", by virtue of
the movie Amadeus, and maybe van Gogh, that crazy guy who cut his ear off.

Please make no mistake - I'm not arguing that the likes of Beethoven
are insignificant. That would be stupid. I'm using a different
definition of the word "icon", one which I think several other people
use. A media phenomenon.

The imminent Arne:
>More cultural icons from the 1800s:

the people in Arne's list that are "icons' to me are

Oscar Wilde, Jesse James, the Shelleys, Lord Byron, PT Barnum, and
Walt Whitman.

Add in Thoreau, and Gertrude Stein, and Emma Goldman, and Nijinsky,
and.. some painters, too.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   Indifference, the plague that moves throughout this land
From: cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:23:37 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

In article <ld9g4eINNmbl@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling) writes:
 
>Just finished 'The Ruins Of Isis' by Marion Zimmer Bradley. This is a story
>about a society run totally by the females. Only females take 'life partners'.
>Males are ignorant and are kept in line through the use of collars or
>testicle implants for extreme diciplinary action.
>
>I liked it.
 
Now I won't object too strongly to collars and disciplinary action,
but let's not fool around with the testicles please (in the inplant
sense that is).
 
A slight digression, but I was fond of a passage I found in an English
book back in High School. A story about Romans I think. The particular
phrase said something about a soldier getting an erection when his
sergeant yelled an order at him (well, it was fun back then!).
 
\chris (Chris Russell - cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com)
{I suppose I should disclaim something like my company has nothing to do
(as far as I know) with science fiction, gay or otherwise, or Romans, or
anything those Romans may be doing with each other}
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:17:37 GMT


In article <mattm-131092092718@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon ACC) [watch monte melmac]
writes:

>One has to look at the art 'over time' to realize that icons
>were not renderings of the original people?  I certainly
>hope not.

Let's not get too far afield here from what icons actually
are, Matthew.  If we talk about one of those Eastern
Orthodox icons, of say St. Barbara, what's iconic is the
face of Christ on her handkerchief.  If we talk about an
Assumption, it's the Dove and its halo that's iconic.  The
*actual* people, if we speak of the great Flemish painted
altarpieces, have tended to be the donors who supported the
artist's work.

>What this thread has become is a forum for tired
>intellectuals to name drop.

You're right, some intellectuals are tired.  But to get back
on terra firma here too, Matthew, one of the tasks that
intellectuals get tired from is trying to inject reason into
discussions that tend to drift off into gratuitous
lip-flapping by people who have limited command of the
historical, social, and intellectual contexts of the
material at hand.  Contempt of the "name dropping" remark
type is at base anti-intellectual, and I think less than a
credit to you.

If that makes me a tired intellectual, I'm proud of it.

-- 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.125644.17945@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins) writes:
>I don't know you. I don't love you. I don't want to meet you.

OK.

>I don't even want to get close enough to you where I would even consider 
>wanting to fuck you.

David, David, if I'd ever known just how close that might have been
within my reach.  And I ruined it with a sharp retort.  It's the
e-story of my e-life.

>If you are as ugly as your attitude, I doubt that anybody does.

Anyone for guesses about this guy's age?

>You're proving more in each response that you are the asshole I 
>observed. There's no need to reply. Take a look in the mirror and
>see if you really like yourself.

I thought that Stuart Smalley stuff in your signature was sarcastic.

>I am sure that there are many, like myself, who read this newsgroup but
>do not follow-up because they do not want to enter the fray which
>no-nothing-know-it-alls like you commandeer.

There's a simple rule here, David: people are judged on what they say.
That's the chance you take.

>...and if my phrase, fag-rhetoric, offends anyone, that's too bad
>because that's what it is. It is an abundance of whining about why
>"nobody likes me 'cause I'm gay."

Um, are we reading the same newsgroup?

>It's ridiculous and stupid and
>immature, and you, Steve, help to perpetuate this farce of life by
>ranting on the very people you espouse to care about.

You'll have to try that line again.  How about a reality check?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct16.055715.14163
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1bk456INN8pl@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
>I can't imagine whether
>I would have stayed had I received Matt's welcome, say,

Well, that would have depended on what you had to say, don't you think?

>if I had disagreed with Steve Dyer or, heaven forfend, Melinda Shore.

"Disagreement" is not the issue here.  Nor is the sharp remark an
exclusive of either Melinda or myself, nor when I do, do I make it
indiscriminately or without thought.  Think context and content.

>Later,
>I disagreed with Jess Anderson, and again, was not blasted. I believe
>it is possible to enter the net discussion without ruffling feathers
>or getting one's own feathers singed. I want to thank both Jeff
>and Jess for their part in my ongoing participation on soc.motss.

You should be thanking Melinda and myself for keeping quiet. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:14:30 GMT

> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell) writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell) writes:

>>            ...Just because you and the other white people you
>>know don't actively persecute people of color, do you really
>>believe that you're not accomplices in the system that does?
> 
>I may be new to the net, and haven't quite got things figured
>out here yet, but I get the distinct impression that I'm being
>attacked. What is this talk about me, and "other white people"
>I know (for whom I can't speak) passively (inferred from not
>actively) persecuting people of color? That I am an accomplice?
> 
>I like to think (naive as it may be) that being gay, I have
>a sensitivity to minority situations and inequity. I don't
>exactly fit the standards of the Moral Majority.
> 
>I may be part of the ubiquitous system (and you're not?) but
>I ain't no accomplice!

I'm attacking the idea that ordinary, well-meaning white
Americans, who may never have uttered a racist epithet or
committed a racist act, are somehow excused from any
responsibility for the perpetuation of a racist society.
As long as we (and yes, I include myself) ignore or accept
without question, or just go along with the way our
institutions are rigged in favor of whites (let's leave
"straight" and "male" out of this for the sake of clarity), 
we *are* accomplices, people who "knowingly help another
in a crime or wrongdoing" (according to my dictionary).

It will take more than "sensitivity" to beat that rap.
-- 
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From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:25:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.182858.14167@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) wrote: 
>->There is a rumor making the rounds that (in the form I heard it)
>->the owner of Blockbuster Video franchises in the pnw, John David
>->Griesbaum, had given large sums of money to the OCA.  As a result
>->a lot of people were angrily marching into local Blockbusters and
>->cutting up their cards.
>->
>->While I admire such committment, there's just one problem:
>->
>->The rumors are untrue.
>
>so: what is blockbuster doing to fix the rumors?
>
>(there are other, equally-valid reasons why you should avoid
>lackluster video ... most of them have to do with their lack of any
>video likely to offend a fundy).

Funny, our Blockbuster Video has been a great wealth of Gay themed movies.

Apartment Zero
Querrelle 
Making Love
Torch Song Trilogy
Prick up Your ears
Maurice
Boys in the Band
Longtime Companion
Suddenly that Summer
My Beautiful Laundrette 
maidchen in uniform(sp?)
desert hearts
Personal Best

And others, these just come to mind quickly as having been readily available
at our store in Charlottesville, Virginia.

I don't work for blockbuster, nor do I know anyone who does, but I have always
been pleased that they were available when I needed them to supply these movies.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:03:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Summary: 62 shopping days until my birthday!
Keywords: expensive jewelry

In article <1992Oct7.115654.2679@hemlock.cray.com> 
steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
> [Every now and again I think I should just resort to smiley faces.]

*Bite* *your* *fingers*! 

> Mara's Marty, by the way, turns 50 soon.

How soon is soon?

> If you read soc.motss carefully enough, you can, eventually,
> learn all sorts of details about these strangers across the
> Net.  

*Strangers*?  Are we not one big happy family?

> Today we learned that Greg Parkinson and Arne Adolphson
> graduated high school the same year that I did. I believe Melinda
> did, too, and Mr. Cr*mer as well.  

Yes, I knew about ******.  I think Jack Hamilton graduated 
the year before us.  

Arne
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:36:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.44155
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <thaaang.719140913@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>     ...                             Mike indicates that he's blocking
>the tube. So, wiping his hands on his apron, John returns to the
>kitchen, dragging the baby from the trash, and stands before the sink
>looking out at the barren backyard. He sings:

... and Mike yells:

"Shut yer trap, buurrrppppp!!!  I should throw you out."


--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:43:46 GMT

In article <ldoui0INNqp9@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> Melinda is siding with the Cabal (as 
>per usual) without reading what he is saying.

Of course I'm not reading what he's saying.  He's been in
my kill file for quite some time now.  You'll find, as a
result, that I'm not responding to what he's saying.  What
I am responding to is your Celebration of Stupidity.  Why
on earth anyone could possibly consider anti-
intellectualism to be a good thing completely escapes me.

Dan Quayle is a lousy role model, Jeff.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:47:43 GMT

maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray) writes:

>Frederic Christian Maffray
>Certain fairy charms differ.

All right, that's quite enough. Is there a UNIX anagramming program?
Is it possible for someone to send me this program? And, like, explain
how to work it in terms understandable by a sleepy three-year-old?

John, compuilliterate but wanting to PLAY!

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS in Amarillo TX???
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:10:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct17.025621.25181@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>let's have this answer generally.  i too would like to hear about
>amarillo; i pass through the city twice every year, in mid-december
>and mid-march.  an occasional mild diversion would be welcome.

My guess, prejudice-revealing though it may be, is that
Am-a-rilla has exactly two events per annum, in mid-March
and mid-December, the passage of the Zwicky caravan.  We
could, of course, change the character of the place at least
for a little while by conspiring to line the streets and
wave as you pass through, hailing you to a stop, crowding
around, kissing and groping and in general creating a media
event.  As diversions go, that would be not too mild, not to
picante.

-- 
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 11 Oct 92 12:43:07 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Oct11.071007.1674@spdcc.com>,
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.000827.22450@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> >.. and maybe that's why I took what John said out of context.
> ...
> Anyway, "John who?"  It was Roger Phillips who used the phrase
> "stealth african" ...  And Roger invoked this to satirize
> Melmon's incomprehension of what was said before.

For clarification,
John Fisher ironically used the phrase "too black",
Donald queried it,
Greg Parkinson followed up in ironic vein,
Matthew didn't seem to get it,
and I nominated Donald for the post of Stealth African.

I did this in recognition of the fact that
Donald has already shown an aptitude for
reminding the group that it's not all white.
I still hope that his (quite valid) anger
can be channelled more positively
than into simple verbal (and, alas, now physical) attack.

Now, could I have clarification, please,
before I post in ignorance:

> >I warned the RA that this would happen
> ...
> Were you being harassed previously and you took it up with the RA
> who did nothing?

RA means Race Adviser?

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*autophoby* n. a shrinking from making any reference to oneself"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: National Coming Out Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:49:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I'm surprised to note that no-one else has remarked that
today (Sunday) is National Coming Out Day, a day when gays,
lesbians, and bisexuals make a special effort to come out of
the closet.  It's a day to make some sort of affirmation of
your sexuality, whether it's to whisper it to a friend or to
shout it to the whole world.

Come out, come out, wherever you are.  If you're not yet ready
to tell the whole world, at least tell someone, anyone.
You'll get the most marvellous sense of relief when you tell
a friend, a wonderful feeling of empowerment.  Try it.  Please.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>   Bisexual
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Restaurants in SF
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:58:02 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) wrote: 
->
->Mifune - This noodle shop in Japan center is rather good.  The service
->is quick, the food is filling and the price is right.  A good place to
->go before catching a movie at the Kabuki.
->

also: *totally* non-smoking restaurant ... 

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Statistics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:53:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Is the net sputtering lately, or is it just me?  I just saw Jack
Hamilton's response to a "favorite restaurants" article by someone
(Bill Hsu?), but never saw the original article, and locate it online.

Also, I never saw the readership statistics for soc.motss in September.
Can't locate them, either.  Were they posted?

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Gay Marriage Case Heard Today
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:29:05 GMT

I just wanted to let people know that the gay marriage case was heard
today by the Supreme Court of the State of Hawaii.  I'll discuss it
later when I have more time, but the feeling I came away with is
cautious optimism.  We clearly have at least a couple of justices on
our side, and the state's case crumpled under their withering
questioning.  But you never know what will happen.  The decision
should come down in a month or two.

When I left the courtroom, the plaintiffs were surrounded by TV
cameras.  Check out the news this evening!

And, again, _tax_ _deductible_ donations for the plaintiffs' legal
fund can be sent to:

	Hawai'i Equal Rights Marriage Project
	Gay and Lesbian Community Center
	1820 University Ave.
	Honolulu, HI 96822

Checks should be made out to H.E.R.M.P.

Later,

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Restaurants in SF
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:31:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct13.192547.3430@quantime.co.uk> <67736@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Oct15.161957.29649@PacBell.COM>

Rod Williams sells his soul to the SF Chamber of Commerce:

>> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling) writes:

>>Thep Phanom - At Waller and Fillmore.  Bad neighborhood, next to
>>impossible to find parking, but terrific Thai cooking.

>*Bad* neighborhood <sniff>?  The Lower Haight is a
>*faaabulous* neighborhood (not least because of Thep
>Phanom's legendary Red Curried Salmon :-))

>rod williams

There, there, Rod.  Wipe away that tear.  After all, I live just a
short walk from the gay center of the universe, so of course to me
any place else is going to seem just a little tawdry.

;-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:36:33 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct12.121349.2970@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
>>You're in 'read my mind' mode, I see, as all three of the
>>postings of yours I've read this morning (I rather like the
>>idea of waking up with John Darrance) are of that sort.
>                              ^ oops, sorry.

You darrance not misspell his name again.

(And I rather like the idea of waking up with Thaaang, myself)

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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