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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: _The Low Symphony_ (Glass/Bowie/Eno)!
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:27:44 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In Tower Records' _Pulse!_ magazine it is reported (Nov. '92 issue):

On Nov. 13th and 14th the Brooklyn Academy of Music's Next Wave Festival
will present the world premiere of Philip Glass' latest work, _The Low
Symphony_. The symphony is based on three David Bowie/Brian Eno
compositions, "Subterraneans," "Warzawa" and "Some Are," from Bowie's
landmark album _Low_ -- the first of a trilogy of German minimalist-
influenced recordings he made with Eno in Berlin in the late '70s.
At presstime Glass had just completed recording _The Low Symphony_
in NYC with the Brooklyn Philharmonic Orchestra under the direction
of Dennis Russell Davies. Look for the recording, made with "complete
cooperation" from Bowie and Eno and produced by longtime Glass
collaborator Kurt Munkacsi, to be released on the Point Music Label
in early '93.

-- end excerpt

Hallelujah!

Gregg

-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
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                "You may _not_ touch my monkey" -Dieter
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:45:33 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
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In <2604@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr writes:

> >1) Does the word 'Amarok' mean anything in any language, or is it a 
> >    nonsense word like 'Ommadawn' ?
> 
>   If you find any sense in the "Incantations" and "Hergest Ridge" titles, 
> please tell me. You know it's very common this kind of stuff in progressive 
> rock. I can remember other groups' titles like "Ummagumma" (Pink F.), 
> "Tarkus" (ELP) and so on, where there is no sense either...
> 
> Nilo.

	"Incantations" is very simple: there are indeed some incantations in
the album... 8-)

	As for "Amarok", I remember seing once a book called "Amarok", about
polar dogs crossing the Antartica (or whatever) back to "civilization" (or 
whatever) after the expedition they were involved in ended in disaster and was 
evacuated by helicopter. It *might* be an Eskimo word, or something along the
line. 
	(But the, why the African music?.. 8-) )

	Does anyone has a better explanation?

	"Fire in Harmony!.."						Alias
From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yesshows
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:08:27 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

redsonja@src4src.linet.org (Red Sonja) writes:

> I am kicking myself for having left Germany (where I was stationed) without
> getting Yesshows on CD. I thought I'd be able to get it here in the US, but
> can't find it ANYWHERE!!! Can someone point me in the right direction??
 
Well, sometimes Tower Records stocks imports. Other than that, check 
independent record stores in your area. Usually, ind. stores will have a 
treasure trove of rare CD's, bootlegs, imports, etc.
 
--Don

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From: jonathan@vort.cuc.ab.ca (Jonathan Levine)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Wanted: King Crimson Video Information
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:05:06 GMT
Organization: n. Organizing or being organized; organized body or system or society.


Both were available directly from EG in the US.  I don't know whether they're
still in print, as I got my copies a few years ago.  Anyone wishing me to
dig up the ordering information should drop me a line.

J

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From: mcleman@decwet.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: mcleman@decwet.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


--

I saw Crimso live in Boston at the Boston Tea Party (lansdown st) in 1970, I
believe (or was it 71?). Anyway, they started off with Cirkus. THe Mellotron
blew my mind away (which was already altered :-) ). Great show.

The second time was at the Providence concert. Another great show. Wetton's 
base solo on Schizoid Man was great. (Though i think the mix on the USA album
was the pits).


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From: studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer)
Subject: Re: Another Live Crimson (w/ Belew)
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:04:14 GMT

In article <By5zKy.88w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:
>I remember once seeing (in the early 80's) a live
>King Crimson record.  It was of the Belew period,
>and I think it was called 'Indiscipline'.

Yep. The cover was silver on white, if I remember correctly, and the cover
image was the "three prong two handle" optical illusion.

>On the back it had a long article by Fripp on
>why he hated bootlegs.  It itself wasn't a bootleg,

Oh yes it was.

>but I've never seen it anywhere else, so maybe
>it was 'fake legit'.  However, it was in a large
>record store in Chicago that didn't sell bootlegs.
>Does anyone know about it?

Funnily enough I saw it in a record shop in Sydney that didn't usually deal
in bootlegs either, but it's definitely not an authourised KC release.
>
>
>
>--Branko

Andrew Studer... studer@physics.su.oz.au
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: East of Eden, Alquin
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:53:10 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Sun Microsystems


Has anybody heard of either of these two bands?  East of Eden reminds
me a little of Soft Machine on first listen.  Alquin is a little more
mainstream progressive - maybe like Ambrosia or what Caravan was becoming
in 76 or so.  I am interested in any information on these two bands.

Thanks,
Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox

obCDplayer: Jane, Together
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: avdh@sunnyboy.dazixco.ingr.com (Alain van der Heide)
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Organization: Dazix - An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:52:42 GMT

In article <s0499528.8.0@let.rug.nl>, s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
> Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
> Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
> seen it?
> 
> Reinder D.
Please tell me this is true.  My copy is a vinyl bootleg (the week
after I bought it my brother found one legit copy for $1.99 in a
cut-out bin in Boston - argh!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: New Pink Floyd box set promo: Shine On
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.190026.145282@zeus.calpoly.edu> ctuel@zeus.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) writes:

>Just saw a CD in the Pink Floyd bin called SHINE ON, and I *think*
>it was a promo.  It looked like a full-length album, with a collection
>of tracks from the forthcoming boxed set.


>-- 
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>ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu         ^ ^         AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu


Yes, and it has NO NEW MATERIAL. Save your money. DO NOT BUY THIS!


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gershbei@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Michael Gershbein)
Subject: Manzanera CDs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:32:27 GMT

Sorry about this sudden glut of questions.  I just keep remembering things
that I'd like to know.  What Manzanera CDs are available domestically?  I have
his first one on CD, and his newest one, as well.  I would love to get Listen
Now.  I have it on album and the sound quality is shitty, and whenever I find
another copy in the used bins, the sound is just as shitty.  Anyways, I'd love
to have the 801 stuff on CD, and even "Mainstream"-the Quiet Sun one. Any 
comments?
Mike Gershbein
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:52:12 GMT
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Nov17.221107.17424@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.102550.21682@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov13.231533.9658@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
>> >IMHO, the Genesis mutation occurred with the release of _And Then There
>> >Were Three_ in 1977. 
>> 
>> And Hackett's first solo album was an absolute stunner eh?
>
>Michael,
>	I'm a bit confused, are you a canadian working in the U.K.?
>I'm not sure but that ``eh'' at the end.
>	I thought, please don't quote me, that Hackett left Genesis
>because of the group's decision to be more commercial oriented. I don't
>have Hackett's first album.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy ``How's it goin' eh?''

As I understand it, Hackett decided to leave during the mixing of the
_Seconds Out_ live album. Phil Collins and Tony Banks axed quite a bit
of Steve's material from _Wind and Wuthering_. Much of this ended up
on _Please Don't Touch_, an album I find more pleasing to listen to
than much of W&W...

By the way, there were three songs in the can for the Genesis album
that was to follow _Seconds Out_. They were released as an EP called
_Spot the Pigeon_. All in all it is pretty unremarkable except for the
fact that all the songs sound much like what made to _ATTW3_.
- Mike

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: THE CURE
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft

In article <t_msowers-121192161748@129.46.172.53> t_msowers@qualcomm.com  
(MARTHA SOWERS) writes:
> I'm a big fan of The Cure and I love Robert Smith.  If you know anything
> about the Cure, I'd love to hear about it.  Also, do any of you Cure  
fans
> know how to go about starting a Cure news group.  
> 

I'm a big fan of The Cure too (well up until 'Disintegration' anyway), but  
this isn't really the right group to discuss them in.

Your post would better hit its intended audience by sending it to  
alt.music.alternative.

Gordon

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From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Wanted: King Crimson Video Information
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:59:39 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


A couple of years ago, there was a store in my area which sold only 
music videos.  They had two King Crimson videos on the shelf.  One was
_The Noise_ from around 1981 and the other (I forget the title) was
of a concert in Japan... from around the _Three Of A Perfect Pair_ period,
I think.

Does anyone know whether these are still in "print."   Further..  does
anyone know where they can be bought, and if they are worth the trouble
(they have to be! they have to be!).
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson's 'ZINE'
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:43:34 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: morteng@dhhalden.no's message of 16 Nov 92 11:49:59 GMT

In article <morteng.721914599@fenris.dhhalden.no> morteng@dhhalden.no (Morten Graesby) writes:

   I bought an Eddie Jobson LP at a second-hand store the other day.
   The title is 'ZINE' and it was released in '84. 

Very strange: Jobson released an excellent album called "The Green
Album" with the artist listed as "Eddie Jobson/Zinc".  But this album
was released in 1982, not 1984.

Could you please tell us more about the album you have (track listing,
sleeve, etc)?

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Yes Keysman #SIX! / Yes starting point / Genesis Question
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:59:07 GMT

Genesis flames aside, and I really get sick of hearing people
trash their newer stuff, Uncle Joe's Prog record guide
claims Yes, "after many keyboardist auditions," went on to
get Moraz in to overdub a few things on Relayer, which was 99%
recorded. 

I imagine it was hard to find anyone good who'd take the
creative limitations a replacement to Wakeman for
an album already recorded would have to take. 

Then of course Wakeman came back, and they sort of got rid of Moraz.
Uncle Joe claims that Moraz left and then Rick returned, but I
somehow find that order hard to believe. :)

So there were probably a *lot* of keyboard players
who were almost Yes members.

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Mouse)
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:17:35 GMT

In article <s0499528.8.0@let.rug.nl> s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
>Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
>Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
>seen it?
>
>Reinder D.

I have it.  According to the booklet in "The Young Person's Guide to King 
Crimson" when it was originally released it sold 600 or so copies worldwide,
including 23 in the USA and 1 in Canada (This is from memory; I could be 
wrong).  However, I have heard that it was later re-released.  I do know
that I have seen one copy other that the one that I have, and they were
both $25 US.  

As for the music itself:
Most of the material consists of short, happy sounding, jazzy tunes, with
(sometimes) humorous lyrics.   The songs on side one are interspersed
with "The Saga of Rodney Toady," a bizzarre narrative about a fat and
ugly boy, by Fripp.  The songs on side two are interspersed with "George'"
which consists of variations of "I know a man and his name is George" in
funny voices by the Giles brothers (Peter and Michael).

The last thing on side two is an instrumental suite by Fripp with some
very impressive guitar work.  Incidentally, the middle section of the 
suite sounds a lot like "Song of the Gulls" from Islands.

The copy I have was released on Derem, pressed on very heavy plastic (like
typically old records), and has a glossy plastic finish on the jacket (made
by British Celenese, no less).
 
I have heard that it has been released on CD, and was available at Tower
records in LA or San Francisco.  I'd like to hve it on CD, so if some kind
soul out there happens to see it, please mail me.

covingc@ee.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:54:19 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In his article  ian irwin ( aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk ) writes:
>re: the beach boys as a progressive force

>  surely to be progressive is to be 
> something different; toy have your own
>sound?
>   the beach boys certainly had that...now when you hear a song filled with
>harmony you say...it's like the beach boys....

>  but apart from their early songs...from 1966 when brian wilson created the
>pet sounds album, he was using instruments 
> not associated with popular music at

>all...what he was doing was more akin to classical...using piccolo,
>harpsichord, flute, bass harmonica, 
> full orchestrarions and even upturned empty

>water bottles to get percussion effects...the songs were 'too wierd' for their
>day which finally resulted in the 'smile' album being scrapped for that very
>reason....
>
>  to say brian wilson is NOT progressive 
>  is a contradiction in terms of what he
>was doing circa 1966 onwards and what progressive music is all about

Nevertheless, I tend to disagree. The progressive music is not
about sounds or instrumentation: it is about conceptions.

I get that you said that the meaning of progressivity is
weird instrumentation in the context of popular music.

Well, I have a surprise: all that was done a
long time before sixties. Naturally, I mean the "muzak"
music of fourties. Martin Denny (allegedly, its inventor)
used more weird sounds and instruments than Beach Boys could
imagine (he has a collection of more than 1000 ethnic 
instruments). His music was surely popular, if we judge
by the millions $$ it brought to people in business. 
It was not progressive in any meaning. 

I could agree with BB being on the verge of "progressiveness"
(sort of), but the arguments you use sound to me completely
empty.

Moreover, being "progressive" always meant to
be outside of mainstream. Since BB *were* mainstream,
they could hardly qualify. Note that to the end of sixties
almost everybody used orchestras, weird instrumentation
and found sounds: Beatles, Rolling Stones, everybody.
To some extent, the mainstream band was supposed to
use orchestra or non-rock instrumentation to be
commercial. This usage has nothing to do with the
use of weird sounds by, e.g., Pink Floyd in Ummagumma,
where the meaning of popular music itself was
redefined.

Misha.
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Yes Keysman #SIX! / Yes starting point / Genesis Question
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:39:35 GMT

In article <ap111rl@rpi.edu> manitp@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.) writes:
>Hi;
> ... stuff deleted ...
>Now about Genesis......  As with all great prog bands that went
>semi-commercial in the '80's, the only Genesis stuff that gets radio-play
>is the stuff that is 10 years old or less.  And I really think newer
>Genesis SUCKS THE BIG BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  In fact, I DESPISE their last
>three albums.  When I first heard that Genesis was considered a
>progressive band, I wondered if there was another band with the same
>name.  Then it occurred to me, that if al I had to go on was Owner of a
>Lonely Heart, Rhythm of Love, Love Will Find a Way,  Saving My Heart, and
>Lift Me Up, I would wonder how anybody could consider Yes progressive
>too.  Luckily, I had the good fortune of being exposed to other stuff
>by Yes.  Unfortunately,  I have never heard anything by Genesis that I
>would remotely consider progressive.  But considering all I've been
>hearing about them lately, I think their old stuff is something I might
>like to give a try.  Somebody, anybody please post analyses, reviews,
>recommendations IN DETAIL of pre-"That's All" Genesis!!!!
>
>Philip J. "Ralph" Manitta Jr. (RLF)     _|_       " For me to live is
>88 14th st.                              |        Christ, to die is
>Troy NY, 12180                           |        gain!"   (manitp@rpi.edu) 
>" Don't even think of copying this! The band NEEDS money! " -Fluffy

Run right out and buy _Selling England by the Pound_. This is simply
the finest album Genesis ever put out. Then, if you like a rougher
edge, go back to _Nursery Cryme_ and _Foxtrot_ (in that order), or if
you like more refined try _The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_. These all
feature Peter Gabriel on vocals. Phil took over the vocal chores on
"A Trick of the Tail" and "Wind & Wuthering", but these albums are
very good too. I used to loathe _...and then there were three..._ , but
I would call it a masterpiece compared to what they've done since. (-8
- Mike

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From: narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:53:50 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

>Have you checked out Hackett's live album released this year?
>It's called _Time Lapse_... it's all old stuff. Hope he'll tour
>it in the States. I heard he was in Canada a few months ago, but
>no news about playing Chicago anyway. Anyone else...?

A new Hackett live album?  Cool!  I saw him here in Montreal back in
September; that was actually the *second* time he'd been here in a 
month.  (I was a Very, Very Happy Camper, as I was in Toronto in August,
the first time he played Montreal... imagine my VERY pleasant surprise
when I came back to Montreal and started seeing ads for another Steve
Hackett show later in September!)

Questions -- was this just a Canadian tour?  Or just this part of North
America?  I don't remember hearing anything about Hackett playing
anywhere else, and that seems kind of strange given the speed with
which word of this sort of thing spreads on the net.  And was there
another album he's promoting, or is he/did he just tour to promote
*Time Lapse*??  Thanks for any answers... here comes a few brief
comments on the concert, if anyone's interested.

(POSSIBLE SPOILERS -- depending on whether Hackett is touring in
your area soon or now...)


Anyways, 'twas a great show.  His band is solid but not spectacular,
and (unsurprisingly) the instrumentals were the biggest crowd pleasers...
especially `...In that Quiet Earth' and `Horizons'.  In fact he started
the second set with several minutes of acoustic guitar only... the
crowd was, unsurprisingly, spellbound.

(See?  I told you I'd be brief.  Anyways, it was two months ago and
I didn't exactly take notes.)

		Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)