HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen)
Subject: Looking for 8-bit PC clock card.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:09:25 GMT

I have an old IBM PC that I'd like to equip with a clock.  If anyone
has one of those old serial port/clock cards that they would like to
part with for cheap, please let me know.

John Jensen
jejensen@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general
From: cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca (Claude Cantin)
Subject: Re: what's the latest on gas war
Keywords: gas
Organization: National Research Council of Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13:50:11 GMT

I heard the "mayor's office hot-line" on gas prices is updated only once
a week.  That means it will miss most gas wars...

    Claude
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: dmongrai@gandalf.ca (Dan Mongrain)
Subject: Any good BBS out there
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:03:59 GMT

Can anyone recommend a good BBS in the Ottawa region.  By good I mean good
Technical and social discussions, good software availability, etc.


                                                Thanx
                                                Dan Mongrain
                                                dmongrai@bach.gandalf.ca
From: andrew@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Andrew Low)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Bogus new groups.
Organization: Zone4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 04:52:22 GMT

In article <rwm.717633420@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca> 
rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>I am curious about a few new groups that just started appearing in the ott
>hiarchy. 

Me too.  I also have the opinion that only ott.general and ott.events
exists, so these new 'bogus' groups have been removed from Zone4.

>I'd like to see a vote called for the for-sale and vietnamese
>groups.

There should be an ott.news.admin (or similar) used to coordinate these
sorts of efforts and care should be taken when sending out the newgroup
messages.

+/+\+/+\+/+chew carefully/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+\+/+
Roo [andrew@zone4.ocunix.on.ca] m a c h i n e l o v e h a t e f e a r v o i d .
               "dreams are all that separate us from the machines"
From: gank@Software.Mitel.COM (Kok-Ti Gan)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Warning! Hagopian-Loc
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:36:20 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Just a warning to the netters in Ottawa should you need your TV/VCR
serviced. 

A friend of mine had a problem with his VCR constantly ejecting the tape
when he tries to insert a tape into the machine. Before this symptom,
the machine was working fine (Video & Audio)! After the machine was brought
in to them to be fixed, They said the transport mechanisms was bad and also
the VIDEO HEAD! They wanted to charge over $250 to repair the machine. Well,
my friend brought it back and I managed to locate a bent pin that was
preventing the tape from loading. Well, now the tape loads properly but when
I tried to play the tape, lo and behold, NO VIDEO! I tried cleaning the
heads but there was still no video. This sounds very suspicious but we figured
that they had changed the VIDEO heads to attempt to charge more for servicing
the VCR. Any advice as to what my friend can do? He tried talking to them
but they would not accept any responsibility.

Just a reminder to STAY AWAY from these guys when you need your TV/VCR
serviced, and spread the word to your friends and collegues!
They are located on 864 Merivale Road!

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson)
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Keywords: bnr, internet, email
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:51:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.190510.15293@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) writes:
>Short answer:  this isn't email.
>
>Long answer:  many companies prohibit the use of company resources for
>private use.  IMHO, the reasons are obvious (i.e. the company then has
>solid ground on which to stand when they need to terminate an employee
>who has made "unreasonable" use of company facilities, etc.).

  Doesn't discussing the constitutional referendum count as non-BNR
related? Or is it in the space of non-private, non-BNR things, and in
that case what is the policy?
  Why not use common sense to determine ``unreasonable'' use.

>To switch topics:  BNR is a great (!!!) place to work.  I heartily

  For every person that raves about BNR I know one why couldn't stand
it. 

>Discussion in a public forum is inappropriate.

  I'll remember that next time I get a request from a BNR employee
looking for an email account to send messages to their SO who is away.



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From: landriau@Software.Mitel.COM (Marc Landriault)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Ikea Furniture
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:47:33 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


                     IKEA furniture for Sale

- Ikea Skye Lounger (Black Leather) 6 months old
  Sell $375.00

- Ikea Poem Armchair and Footstool
  Sell $250.00

Phone: 592-2122 ext 3078.
/Marc.
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: stock broker recommendations
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:57:32 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: heyendal@Software.Mitel.COM's message of 6 Oct 92 12:54:24 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 12:54:24 GMT, heyendal@Software.Mitel.COM (Carl Heyendal) said:

Carl> Can anybody out there share with me your opinion/experiences
Carl> that you might have with a stock brokerage firm called A.C.
Carl> McPherson.

Carl> This firm is encouraging me to do business with them and I would
Carl> like to know if they can be considered reputable.

Recently, they called me up asking whether they could send me
information on their services. Apparently, they are in the midst of
promoting their services.

As a rule of thumb, I don't do business with full commission brokers.
The so called advices generally do more harm than good. Anyone
requiring stock broker services should go to the discount brokers -
they charge much lower commission and do not give advices.

IMHO, if a person does not know enough about the market, he/she should
stay out of it rather then relying on advices from full commission
brokers.

Oh, yes many years ago Charles Schwarb (sp?) wrote the book "How can
be your own stock broker". This is a MUST READ before anyone dealing
with full commission broker. 

Full commission brokers = used car sales persons = slime buckets!

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

What I fear most about stress
  is not that it kills,
    but that it prevents one from savoring life.-- Jean-Louis Servan-Schreiber
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Keywords: bnr, internet, email
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.025137.6531@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca> mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.190510.15293@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) writes:
>>Long answer:  many companies prohibit the use of company resources for
>>private use.  IMHO, the reasons are obvious (i.e. the company then has
>>solid ground on which to stand when they need to terminate an employee
>>who has made "unreasonable" use of company facilities, etc.).
>
>  Doesn't discussing the constitutional referendum count as non-BNR
>related? Or is it in the space of non-private, non-BNR things, and in
>that case what is the policy?
>  Why not use common sense to determine ``unreasonable'' use.

You're absolutely right.   Hint:  what expression have you used in that
last sentence?   "Common sense" is most often the arbiter of any such
decision.  You would prefer a more formal or detailed policy?  If you
can frame one, maybe you'll be able to sell it! 

Such policies have problems similar to absolute moral codes:  the
people who write them have great difficulty accounting for all
possibilities, since they do not know how the world will change.  Hence
the word "reasonable".

>>To switch topics:  BNR is a great (!!!) place to work.  I heartily
>For every person that raves about BNR I know one why couldn't stand it. 

Like I said, it isn't for everyone.  There are people who come and go,
come and stay for a while, and others who come and stay forever.  I
haven't decided which category I'm in yet.

Word of advice to job seekers/evaluators:  use the selfish principle.

The selfish principle states that it is worth staying in your present
employ only so long as you get more from your employer than your
employer gets from you.  Balance your renumeration, training,
intellectual stimulation, benefits, and intangible rewards against the
value of your work, the stress and demands that work places on your
life, etc.

If the rewards outweigh the work, stay;  if they do not, leave.

>>Discussion in a public forum is inappropriate.
>  I'll remember that next time I get a request from a BNR employee
>looking for an email account to send messages to their SO who is away.

Huh?  You've lost me completely.  What does the discussion of corporate
policies have to do with SOs and email?

For the corporately-impaired(*), corporate policies are generally
considered to be confidential or restricted information (as are
salaries, organization announcements and org charts, product and
development plans, etc.).  Ergo, "discussion in a public forum is
inappropriate."

(*) :->  Those who haven't had the experience of working with large
corporations.

pww

Newsgroups: bnr.misc.classifieds,ott.general
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Motorcycle jacket (Nelson-Rigg), size 40, brown, for sale.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:20:42 GMT

As per the subject line, I've a Nelson-Rigg leather jacket, very good
condition, size 40, brown, for sale.  Make me an offer.

Peter Whittaker      [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]   Network Services
pww@bnr.ca           [                          ]   Bell Northern Research
Ph: +1 613 765 2064  [                          ]   P.O. Box 3511, Station C
FAX:+1 613 763 3283  [__________________________]   Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7

Xref: sparky ott.general:1158 ont.forsale:1043
From: heyendal@Software.Mitel.COM (Carl Heyendal)
Newsgroups: ott.general,ont.forsale
Subject: house for sale
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:11:35 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.




                      HOUSE FOR SALE
                      ==============

LOCATION:  44 Turret Crt., Kanata, Ont., K2L 2L1

PHONE:  (613) 831-8871

DESCRIPTION:
   - 3 Bedroom, single family home, located in the Kanata area  
     (Glen Cairn), on a quiet residential Court
   - central to the Ottawa area's Hi-Tech community
   - approximate size 1400 sq. ft.
   - lot size 120' by 100' (irregular)
   - includes 5 appliances, and ALL blinds
   - central air conditioning 
   - large fenced rear yard 
   - spacious eat-in kitchen with patio doors opening to rear deck
   - recently upgraded carpeting
   - freshly painted in tastefull 2 tone scheme
   - roomy master bedroom with walk-in closet
   - finished rec room
   - private 16' x 16' rear deck with aluminium roof
   - handy 16' x 10' garden shed
   - flexible closing, anytime after Dec. 1, 1992

PRICE:  $151,900

For more information, or if you would like me to mail you
a more complete description including pictures, please get in
touch with me by phone or mail (electronic or otherwise).



 
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: kbrough@bcrka393.bnr.ca (Kenneth Brough 1614168)
Subject: The New York Times on Sunda
Reply-To: kbrough@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:49:47 GMT

There is now Sunday A.M. home delivery of the New york Times in
Ottawa and most suburbs. Subscription rates are:

   13 weeks  $65
   26 weeks  $130
   52 weeks  $250

If you are interested in subscribing, call 724-1308.

I have no association with this business whatsoever other than that I am
a client who thought some other people may enjoy reading a Sunday paper
other than the Citizen or Sun.

Ken Brough
Merchant ASIC Engineering
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Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Was Lousy Service
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.195746.1563@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> michael.hahn@bnr.ca writes:
>
>Just in case anyone is interested in the latest w.r.t the lousy
>service I reported from one of our local computer shops.
>
>I got a call from another one of the owners and can you guess what
>his response was to my posting.
>
>A) We are sorry that you felt as though you were treated badly by our
>   service department. Customer satisfaction and company reputation are
>   very important to us. Can we arrange to meet and discuss what could
>   be done to turn your experience into a positive one.
>
>B) You were wrong about being treated badly. You just expect to much as
>   a customer. 
>
>C) You are wrong about being treated badly by our service department. 
>   You can not go around posting negative things about our company.
>   I have sued people before and have never lost. In one case the quy
>   lost his house defending the lawsuit. So if you don't post a retraction
>   saying that you were mistaken and angry, I will sue you to defend my
>   companies reputation and it will cost you thousands of dollars to defend
>   yourself.

I wonder, is this what he said, or how you chose to interpret his
words?  As I remember your first post, you seemed to interpret any
statement you didn't like as a personal insult (weren't you translating
everything the man said as "you're an idiot and I don't believe you" or
something?)

Personally, I have no data on which to evaluate what really happened,
so I must weigh this accordingly.  I have no way of knowing how
reasonable you usually are as a customer - I know some people who
are impossible to please.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: ken@gunshy.ocunix.on.ca (Ken Walker)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Distribution: world
Subject: RE: LOW gas prices in West End!
Organization: OTI Ottawa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:03:47 EST


In article <BuKLzJ.K53@hq.crad.dnd.ca>
boyd@hq.crad.dnd.ca (Garth Boyd) writes:

>
>  --
> Garth Boyd            Software Kinetics Ltd.           Ottawa      __o
> Voice: (613)831-0888                      Desk: (613)992-5211     -\<,
> boyd@hq.crad.dnd.ca                        Fax: (613)831-1836  ( )/ ( )
>
                                                                   ^hint!
Most of the time the only thing I top up at gas stations is the
air in my bike tires...., you people probably spend more energy
driving around to find cheap prices than simply filling up at a
location ON your daily route. Of course, I could be full of
hot air (or gas).

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From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Bogus new groups.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:46:19 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:

>   ott.for-sale   - was actually newgrouped, and has seen about 11 nessages si
>                    it started.

I've seen traffic in this for several months now.

  --G

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: don@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Donald McLachlan)
Subject: looking for recreation badminton group
Reply-To: don@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Communication Research Centre
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:15:12 GMT

Subject says it all. I want to play badminton this winter. I live in the West end.

It looks like I will be busy on Tuesday and Wednesday nights.

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3701 Carling Ave.,			lab	613-998-2423
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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: liyu@bnr.ca (whyme)
Subject: House for Rent
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:49:49 GMT

Beautiful 3-bedroom house for rent. Must See!! 
On Corkstown Rd. 3 min to BNR Carling.
Available Jan 1, 1993. $1250/month.
($1000/month for the first 6 months, eg. Jan - June 1993)
Call 721-6074
 
Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general,ott.events,bnr.misc.classified,rec.running,rec.sport.triathalon
From: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Subject: Marine Corps Marathon - October 25, Washington D.C.
Reply-To: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:45:57 GMT

The BNR Roadrunners are renting a Carlton Coach Lines Bus and travelling to
Washington D.C. for the Marine Corps Marathon.  It is a special bus with only
35 seats.(enough leg room to put a cooler in front of you).  The Group and bus
will be staying at the Key Bridge Marriott.  This hotel is a 15 minute walk to
the start line.

We currently have about 20 people going. Details are:

Expected Itinerary:

Friday, October 23:
 - depart Ottawa 7:00 am
 - arrive hotel in Washington 6:45 pm
 - dinner, stroll around town

Saturday, October 24:
 - 10:00 am optional 2 hour bus tour of city
 - race packet pickup at Runner's Expo after noon

Sunday, October 25:
 - run
 - party

Monday, October 26:
 - depart Washington 9:00am
 - arrive Ottawa 8:30pm

Travel Cost: $150 Canadian including taxes
Hotel Cost:  $227(double room, two people) U.S. including taxes for 3 nights
             $114 U.S. per person

Total Cost:  $290.00 (Canadian) Including Taxes !!!

The BNR Road Runners did this last year and it was one of their most memorable
running experiences. The Key Bridge Marriot catered to every Wim of the runners
and their families.  The rented coach lets someone else worry about hassles of
driving and customs is a BREEZE !!!  Spouses and other family members are more than
welcome.

Please Contact Jonh Pillar for more information. John also has entry forms if you 
need one.

  Ph. (613) 763 - 3512 (Work)
      (613) 596 - 4034 (Home)
 
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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general
Subject: Re: what's the latest on gas war
Keywords: gas
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:37:18 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: ott
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

The number is working - I get bilingual greeting, press 1 for English,
get another greeting, prices for Tuesday September 22nd!, more drivel,
Centretown: A1 Taxi 55.5, East Top Valu 57.3, West Mr Gas & Caltex 56.1
Richmond Road, South Drummonds 56.9
Then an opportunity to leave a message.  This is a long phone call for a
small amount of information.

P.S. Out towards Stittsville, the Mr. Gas is at 54 or lower.  I think it
was 53.3 this morning.  The Shell on Hazeldean Raod is low, too, as are
the stations in Stittsville and on the Carp Road.



  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
  End of World predicted for September 1994 - Party 1st October 1994, my place
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: dperl@bnr.ca
Subject: Re: esponse To Take Back The Night	 
Keywords: Take Back The Night
Reply-To: don't
Organization: BNR Ottawa
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 14:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.191636.11539@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, kennedyl@bnr.ca (Ken Lawrence) writes:
|> 	I really do not know any men who are afraid of walking on their own on 
|> ................  rest deleted .....................

I didn't follow the "To Take Back The Night" argument, so maybe I missed
this somewhere and it is well known to others, but is Ken Lawrence a man or a
_woman_?

Anyway, I have seen or heard this kind of talk so many times and I kept silent,
but now, for once, I will try to put some input into this.

1) Men are by far more violent than _women_. I admit it. I don't think this will
ever change. But this violence is not just against _women_ and children, but
against everyone in general. The problem should not be treated as a men against
_women_. Actually, far more men die violently or at least suffer from violence.

2) Men are themselves under control from _women_. We depend on them as much as
they depend on us. Whether it is for sex, or for love, or for simple
companionship, or because they are our mothers, we do depend on them, and then
they have a control on us.

3) Stop whining. We men have similar problems that _women_ don't have. We don't
complain so much. I agree, this is still a men's world, but it's not just our
fault, and we don't necessarily want it this way. It is up to everyone, and
maybe especially up to _women_ to change this situation. And it shouldn't be
done by verbally abusing us, men. And not by changing English spelling either.

-- 
Dan Perl	(613)763-9411
AccessNode, FiberWorld
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
From: ken@gunshy.ocunix.on.ca (Ken Walker)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Distribution: world
Subject: RE: LOW gas prices in West End!
Organization: OTI Ottawa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:03:13 EST


In article <1992Sep28.134903.19358@bmers95.bnr.ca>
khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

>
> If the majority just fill up at their convenience, then there will be
> no incentive for the stations to lower their prices. It's no wonder
> Ottawa gas prices are so high.

Because I prefer a mode of transportation that doesn't use it?  So you're saying
that everyone should drive because that way the prices will stay low. Hmmm, I'm
all in favour of higher prices if it reduces the number of people driving.  I
doubt it would have an effect though.  I DO have a car, yes, but try to use it
only when I have to, and I'm perfectly happy topping up at the corner where I
know the people and know what kind of service I will get.


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