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From: Bucky.Whaley@launchpad.unc.edu (Bucky Whaley)
Subject: Picard's nudity-COC II SPOILERS (was Re: Piccard's butt)
Organization: Disorder and Early Sorrow
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:01:16 GMT

Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes:

>Ok. It was a fine episode. Everybody got to hate Ronnie Cox. Piccard was
>tortured with care yet never broke; in fact he analyzed his captor and
>returned the mental attack. That WAS the point, wasn't it?

Yes, his insight into his torturer's motives and psyche was a major
part of the point, but his own sense or conviction of How Things Are 
was, by his own admission, broken. 

>So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? C'mon Trek
>fans, we're smarter than that. Do we need sensationalism to make a point? 
>
>And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic torture
>if they hadn't stripped him." Yeah right. Like they'd given him the
>terrycloth bath robe to cover up with as seen in the full body scenes.
>
>Paramount could have done the "stripped" scenes waist up and still had
>the same effect.
>
>Face it. Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
>trashy sensationalism.

For me, the full-length (but not frontal, as you note) nudity wasn't
sensational so much as shocking--in the very specific sense that no
other single image could have so brutally driven home to me Picard's 
utter vulnerability.  It didn't feel trashy to me.  It was frightening. 
IMHO, of course.

 - Bucky Whaley
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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Klingon From ST:VI In CoC (no spoilers
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:47:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.205601.6828@spectrum.xerox.com> Heliotis.ROCH803@xerox.com writes:
>In article 21811@linus.mitre.org, wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec20.232518.26204@uumeme.chi.il.us> rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>> >
>> >Did anyone else notice that the one of the actors in the COC episode was 
>> >actualy the klingon (obviously as another person) that played the Chancelor
>> >of the Klingon empire before he got killed. (The one that McCoy tried to 
>> >save) It sounded just like him, I dont know the actors name, but can
>> >anyone confirm this?
>> >
>> 
>>     I agree with you.  You are talking about the Cardassian interrogator,
>>     right?  It must be the same guy who played Chancellor Gorkon in 
>>     STVI.
>
>Wasn't he also in STV as the Terran ambassador to the Planet of Galactic Peace,
>or whatever they called it?
>
>...and Tron? .. and.....
>

Yea, he was also in tron...  Im glad to see that I wasnt nuts, it seems like
Paramount is recycling actors alot (conserve the actor enviroment?).  Im not
sure I like the idea of being able to pick out actors that played in other
startrek movies and shows.  Could you imagine James T. Kirk comming back as
a romulan?  How about Spock as a Ferengi?  :-)

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 20:27:21 GMT

I gave it my shot. I'm finished. I have (many) other things to
do. The system WILL NOT WORK with 2 (three with B5) shows
discussed under current because people do not follow the
charters. They won't follow the charters later, either. I
discuss B5 because *we* will want to discuss it, and some
people will (invariably) confuse it with DSN. I've learned a
lot, and have enjoyed this experience. I hope (as a ras poster)
that everything works out...

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From: chew@accel.aa.washington.edu (Gilbert Chew)
Subject: "Chain of Command - Part I"
Reply-To: chew@accel.aa.washington.edu (Gilbert Chew)
Organization: U of Wash Dept of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:33:51 GMT

Spoilers?  I don't think so.  But anyway...

















































Well, I still have 500-odd messages to catch up with, but I'll assume
nobody else has said this yet.

I think a PARTIAL reason for all of the changes that Capt. Jellydonut
instituted in the "routine" of the Enterprise is that he knew that
Capt. Picard might be captured.  He was just being cautious, and
making a lot of the things that Picard knew about the E, well, just
outdated.

IMHO.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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From: W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG?
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Organization: Baylor University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:41:22 GMT
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The name of the renegade captain was Ben Maxwell.
From: synth@yenta.alb.nm.us (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:58:52 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran) writes:

>It is a well-known piece of Trek trivia that Majel Barrett Roddenbury
>is the one performer who has appeared in ALL of the Trek venues:

>TOS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice
>TAS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice, M'ress

>Films: Observation deck cameo in ST2:TWOK, computer voice in others
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh?  You're thinking of Grace Lee Whitney in THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, who
watched the Enterprise sail into spacedock from an observation lounge.

Majel Barrett was in STTMP, as (Dr.) Chapel.  I don't remember her appearing
in WRATH OF KHAN anywhere ... nor has she done computer voices for the films.

>TNG: Computer voice, recurring role as Lwaxana Troi

>	Bob Halloran
>	AT&T Universal Card

Hey, can you get me a credit limit increase on my MasterCard? :-)


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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.161603.4163@arizona.edu> CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU  
(Chris De Young) writes:
> In <Bzn1sB.n46@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
> 
> > And isn't it amazing how on every Star Trek show and movie how the  
vast  
> > majority of the beings encountered speak perfect English or a language  
> > composed of English words?  How convienient.
> 
How about Babel Fish :-)

Of course this reminds me of a self-parody about this in a Doctor Who,  
where the a character who is an American meets some alien miltary person
whom she calls Lieutenant, everyone else looks at her and says
"That's Leftenant!!" (British terminology)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: RIKER: And another thing...
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:12:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

And another point:

* When the Cardassians said "We have knowledge that 3 people were sent to
infiltrate our..blah...blah...blah...We have captured Picard."  Riker
blurts out "Is he alive?" 

What kind of STUPID person (let alone a Lt. Commander) would do this?  For
one thing, THEY COULD BE BLUFFING.  If they WERE bluffing, Riker would have
just confirmed what they wanted to know.

What a moron.

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Apple's)
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Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
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From: alw@ncrbeth.BethlehemPA.NCR.COM (Al Wiemann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Troi's section
Summary: Now we know where she works.
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:58:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR-FESC BETHLEHEM, PA.

Possible small spoiler






















Now that we see Troi wearing a blue uniform, there is no longer any doubt
that she is attached to the medical section.  Therefore even if she was an
admiral she couldn't have ever taken operational command of the big "E".
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST:TNG and ST:DSN in Madison, WI, market
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:18:11 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: wi
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout



This is being posted to "wi", but it may leak out.

Attention all WISC-TV 3 ST:TNG and soon-to-be ST:DS9 viewers.  The two-hour
premiere of Deep Space Nine will occur on January 7th, at 7pm.  It will be
repeated on the 10th, at midnight.  The repeat is different than what you
had heard, or read, previously.

Because DS9 will be taking over the TNG Saturday (10:30pm) time slot on
January 16th, TNG will be moving to Sundays at 11pm (currently occupied by
the previous seasons reruns).  But, here is the good news, instead of TNG
being shown a day later, acting upon my suggestion, WISC-TV got permission
to air TNG a week earlier.  This means that we will see TNG before most of
the country, i.e., the same weekend as the satellite uplink.

The schedule shift will occur the weekend of the 9th.  That Saturday night
we will see the repeat of Schisms and the next night we will see the repeat
of True Q.  The Friday night midnight repeat schedule will not change,
except that it too will move forward week.  As it stands right now, there
will not be a Friday night repeat of Schisms.  They may air Schisms and
True Q back-to-back.  I forgot to ask.

Another service by yours truly.
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From: cnk@rgm.com (Claims No Knowledge)
Subject: Spoilers in the subj. line of posts
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:52:17 GMT

I've noticed a disturbing trend when browsing through this group.  People do
not realize that they can leave spoilers in the subject lines of their posts. 
Although they use the word 'spoilers,' they give so much information
away just with the rest of the words in the titles.  I have not yet seen either
part of 'Chain of Command,' and I would really appreciate a little more caution
from people who didn't get stuck in holiday traffic on the way home to watch ST.

Thank you.  :-)
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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Re:"Green uniforms" WAS: data watch
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:26:01 GMT

Yes, I just read the TV Guide article today and noticed that the person wearing
the green uniform was the Trill doctor.  Shouldn't she be wearing blue?  Or,
what's everyone's speculation for THAT particular doctor to wear green.

Another thing...why do all the uniforms resemble the Acadamy's inverted (mostly
black with colored shoulders) instead of uniforms on the starships (mostly
colored with black shoulders)?

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: What's DSN's preamble?
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


Question to anyone who has already seen the DS9 premiere....

How does the preamble go?  
Obviously this one can't be "these are the voyages of the starship
Enterprise...." so I'm wondering what it is, but PLEASE reveal nothing
else in the posting, and be sure to even spoiler protect that.

Thanks in advance.

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 05:50:41 GMT

In article <BzqyB1.D1J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Arun Bhalla writes
>> The whole idea of Troi not wearing an officer's uniform is [..]
>
>If she isn't an on-duty officer when people come to her for counseling,  
>then why is she doing it?  Just for the fun of it?  She gets bored and  
>decides to counsel people?  I don't recall anyone on the show ever  
>saying anything to lead one to believe that she is not on duty when she  
>counsels.  However, I have heard her discuss her education and  
>according to her, her field of concentration is psychology and  
>counseling people is her job aboard the Enterprise.
>
>I have yet to see anyone respond to the main point of this thread which  
>I have elaborated upon in another post I made today.  In a nutshell, if  
>it is necessary for her to not wear a uniform during counseling, why  
>can't she wear regular non-uniform clothes like other women on the ship  
>have been seen wearing?
>-- 
>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
>-- NeXTmail welcome

The concept of not wearing a uniform would be to not intimidate people
coming to her for help.  If you were a lowly rating and had problems
with interpersonal relationships or whatever, you would probably find
it rather hard to talk to a lieutenant commander -- regardless of
looks or race.  Officers are by their nature intimidating to
non-officers.  I know, for I spent 4 year working in a very officer
rich environment at a research facility as an enlisted troop.

Personally, I would like to see Troi wear her uniform more.  I think
that she looked better in that than her other cleavage showing purple
jumpsuit.  I don't see why when she is on the bridge (which would only
be part of her duty) she can't wear a uniform, then change into
'civvies' for sessions.

BTW, someone mentioned that clergy in the military didn't wear
uniforms - not so.  They wear (in the Air Force) their blue service
uniform, and either a cross or a Star of David to denote that they are
clergy.


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From: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA (Sylvain Chamberland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: help!!!!!!!!
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:57:03 GMT
Reply-To: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA
Organization: CTI, Universite Laval

In article <1992Dec30.171507.61392@qut.edu.au>, dawsonj@qut.edu.au writes:
>
>Hi people
>
>I am having problems with my system at uni, if any one gets this message
>can you reply to it, or mail me at   DAWSONJ@qut.edu.au

Done... I did a reply... at 7:00PM on January 3, Eastern Standard Time (North
America)

>Ciao
>
>Jason

Sylvain Chamberland
2020211@saphir.ulaval.ca
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:54:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu


Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:


Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.

They have two days to get ready for what may be a war with the
Cardassians. Riker was making excuses that he didn't think that he
could get the new shift schedules implemented in time so he didn't
do it.  If I were Jellico I'd be irate too. Picard looked embarassed
at Riker's performance, too.

Geordi was no better.  Here's the captain, getting ready for what may
be a show down and Geordi's complaining that the science labs won't
have the resources they need.  Well, no one will be doing experiments
during a full scale battle anyway.  Didn't Geordi realize this? He is,
after all, a member in the (para)military.

I find it difficult to believe that they couldn't adjust to a switch
in command, or perhaps they didn't want to adjust. I would have
thought they would be resigned to this fact of life in Star Fleet.
They may not have liked to see Picard go, after all they have built up
a relationship with him as their CO.  But the crew seemed to be acting
like a kindergarten class that just had their beloved teacher
transferred, not like a group of professionals, let alone Star Fleet's
elite.

Jellico was correct. He doesn't have time for a honeymoon with the crew.
He, as an arm of the Federation, is trying to prevent a standoff with
the Cardassians from turning into war. But he must be ready for it in
the mean time.  The E-crew just doesn't seem to get it.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Ferengi & Clothes (was: Re: Beverly heats up)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:17:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Possible spoilers:

In article <1992Dec20.032710.3283@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>It is my sincere belief that Beverly's induction of umaats in the Ferengi
>
>Not only that ... what about the *clothes* she was wearing?!?!?!?
>She was covered from toe to neck ... Daimon Solok was howling!!
>
>(* ref. the episode about the Keeper of the Gate, and the Ferengi
>away team started falling all over themselves 'cos Tasha was in a
>uniform ...)
>
There is a line in Deep Space Nine on the press kit from the Ferengi Quark
(the bar owner) about Major Kira (the Bajoran) after she threatens him to
remove his hand from her hip:

"I do love a woman in uniform (growl)."


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:46:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: stupid question
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <29030@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:

>Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  

A rumor I've heard is that if Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner, the
Enterprise will get a new captain (someone like Jellico) and a new
second officer (someone like Shelby) and Riker will be stuck in the
middle.  Riker will also be asking the same question you did and
quite miffed at the situation.

If true, it could be an interesting change from the "one big happy
family" we've seen for the last five years.  (Assuming they don't
go *too* far in the other direction.)

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From: myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST:DSN in Detroit (finally, the info)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 31 Dec 1992 09:52:23 -0500
Organization: We're from the government, ma'am
Distribution: mi
Reply-To: myke@umich.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu
Summary: about time...
Keywords: startrek, detroit



I gave up waiting for other people to find it out and called up Channel 50 
myself....
  

Deep Space Nine premieres Sunday the 10th of January at 3 p.m.  Its
regular slot will be Saturdays (starting the 16th) at 6 p.m. 
and repeated Sundays at noon.
  
ST:TNG gets bumped to new time slots, obviously...  
Starting January 9th, ST:TNG will be on Saturdays at
3 p.m. and repeated Sundays at 5 p.m.

hope that helps....


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1hgvo3INNh35@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>>A new list...

>>TNG
>>DSN

>And the TNG/DSN crossovers once again cause Newsgroup Hell [TM].  There's a 
>problem right off the bat.

Well, it causes Newsgroup Hell [tm] for those who don't have Real Newsreaders
[tm]. :-)

>>TOS

>Virtually empty 90% of the time.  And if future TOS-cast films are made, are 
>they here or do you propose yet another group to deal with them?

Worse yet, what happens when (as it inevitable) TNG is cancelled?  Especially
if it goes into films?

>>ST misc (moderated -- STRICTLY anything that doesn't go
>>         anywhere else)

>I'll deal with this below, but I think you're unclear on what "moderated" 
>means.  There's also a hell of a lot that "doesn't go anywhere else".

I still find it hard to believe that *anyone* would want to sift through the
traffic on rec.arts.startrek (ANY of the groups).  Just sifting through the
traffic o the regulars alone would be a prodigious task.

>The next thing that would need to happen before you did *anything* is that
>a reasonable consensus needs to be gotten *within the hierarchy* that your
>(or someone's proposal) is worth doing.  Unless you've got significant
>support here, you haven't a prayer of doing anything more.  

Moreover, the last time this thing was done, the support was for the current
organization, NOT for a scheme like Lee's.

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( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.