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From: number6@milton.u.washington.edu ( "John Drake" )
Subject: Re: FASA
Organization: The People Who Brought You BEEEEEEER MILKSHAKES!
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:05:37 GMT

In article <$stephan.179.0@sasb> $stephan@sasb (Stephan Fassmann, Software) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.152822.5875@tronsbox.xei.com> dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:

>>	Last I heard, there were two companies bidding for the rights when
>>Paramount decided that they needed to re-evaluate whether or not they really
>>had anything to gain from a ST RPG and pulled the license from the market
>>pending further study.

>>	One of the two was Steve Jackson Games; don't know who the other was.

>The other is Task Force Games. Who also put out a combat simulator called 
>Star Fleet Battles.

	You know, neither of these options appeals to me very 
	strongly.  Task Force Game's RPG would probably end up 
	being similar to SFB -- reams of crudely-packaged nitpicky 
	rules based on a universe that bears a vaguely coincidental
	similarity to _Trek._   Bleah.  No, thanks, I don't want to
	deal with Kzinti and Andromedans and what have you -- FASA's
	inconsistencies were enough.

	And as for SJG -- I enjoy their products, but is the world 
	really ready for GURPS Star Trek?  :)

-- 
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Question about Barclay actor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:48:46 GMT

In article <MGATES.92Sep30133709@entiat.boeing.com>, mgates@entiat.boeing.com (Michael Gates) writes:
> 
> 
> Is the actor who plays Barclay the same guy who played the crazy guy 
> from the A-Team?
> --
> et tu mgates?

Yes.

Kellie
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:12:49 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <66978@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>So let's see.  That's two who don't buy hardcovers (and never go to libraries
>>apparently) and one who doesn't read Trek novels at all.
>>
>>It's so heartening to work hard for an appreciative audience.
>>
>
>Sounds like "a smart consumer" to me. Why shell out big bucks for a 
>hardcover when one can get precisely the same content for much cheaper
>by waiting a few months? Not to mention hearing what other readers have
>to say about the book first (a wise practice for Trek novels these days).
>
>As for your comments about "libraries", libraries are pretty random about
>carrying books less than a year old. It's not really worth my time to go
>down there just to track down a Trek novel before it comes out in paperback.
>
>
I have to agree with your comments about libraries, but I'm not sure about
the "wait for a couple of months for the paperback to come out", the
publishers over here have come up with 3 different sizes of hardbacks
to each individually issue before they would even think about paperbacks,
in one notable case there was a nearly two year wait between the hardback
and paperback versions (and no the publisher didn't fold or anything simple
like that).

I find the difference between about 20 pounds for a hardback and 5 for a
papeback very significant!

Mark
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive an empty concept
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:45:00 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Sep28.152918.6952@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.150800.43338@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>> writes:
>>>Does anyone feel as I do that the Prime Directive is a completely
>>>empty concept?  It seems to be regularly violated, to the point where
>>>I can't see any difference between actions carried out under the PD
>>>and hypothetical actions that would be carried out without it.
>>>
>>>If *I* were writing the show, there would be much more discussion about
>>>interpreting the PD, along with an established Talmud-like tradition
>>>of such interpretation.--
> 
> Are you kidding?  We got nothing but Prime Directive pontification for
> much of the show's early history.  

Pontification, but not interesting ideas.

> Need I remind anyone of such winning
> episodes as Justice (can we get Wes back without violating the planet's
> laws, thus destroying their basis of government?) or Angel One (can we
> rescue the crash survivors without violating local law [again]?) or Home
> Soil (what happens when a reseacher breaks the PD and exploits a life
> form's planet anyway?).  How about "Evolution" (what do we do with the
> nanites, a developing, sentient life form, so that they'll be happy and
> at the same time, they won't destroy the ship in the process?). 
> 
> These were all (fairly) wretched episodes.  The only PD philosophical
> discussion show that comes close to being acceptable was "I, Borg".
> Not a flame or anything, but thank god you're not writing for the
show.

You're probably right.  I don't find (very much) in STNG what I used to
like about SciFi: ideas.  It's pretty much late 20th-century
preoccupations (which will be incomprehensible in only a few decades,
I predict) transposed into a starship.  Judging by Majel Roddenberry's
readings the other day, the next series will be even more like that.

So why do I watch it?  Marina Sirtis, of course... |:-)
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Hunter-Takei
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 06:59:00 PDT

In <tomcat.718173366@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:

>
>
>If this is a well-known fact, pardon me, but I just watched a movie that
>had both Jeffrey Hunter and George Takei in it.  The movie is very old,
>I think the title was "From Here to Eternity".
>
>
I think you mean Hell to Eternity.




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From: dchatham@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chatham, Doug)
Subject: Re: Idea For Weapon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.152548.19383@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes...
> 
>I watched "Best of Both Worlds I" (again) last night
>and came up with a good idea for a weapon to fight
>the borg with during hand to hand.  Instead of using phasers
>which can be adapted to, they should replicate some 20th
>ccentury hand-guns or machine guns.  Let's see the borg
>adapt to a .357 slug up their ass!
> 
>Rob

The shields the Borg used to deflect phaser fire can certainly be adapted to 
the purpose of bulletproofing.

Machine guns, how quaint!

Doug Chatham
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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Mudd's women
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:18:38 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Oct1.154145.15348@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
>
>The latest TOS episode shown on the Beeb was "Mudd's women".
>One strange thing, Uhura had a gold uniform on, not a red one.
>Maybe her red one was in the laundry!
>
I'm sure the producers thought she looked better in red.  The fact
is that she had the authority to wear green.

Martin

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform.
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.104439.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct01.195920.1877@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>> Yes, but they still haven't solved the problem of giving [Troi] a symmetric
>> neckline.  I don't know if it's intentional, or just a problem of
>> tight tops on, er, full-figured women, but any time Marina Sirtis has a
>> low neckline on her uniform, it always "points" to one side or the other.

>The asymmetrical neckline is a holdover from ST:TOS.  If you notice, the lower-
>cut uniform necklines on TOS were always asymmetrical, and since Troi's stuff
>was mostly designed by William Ware Theiss who was the designer on TOS and 
>who *loves* asymmetry, he kept that look.  It has nothing to do with her
>bustline.

Yes, but it never looks intentional; it rather looks "stretched".
Give the designer the freedom to do it right, or not at all...

> According to Marina Sirtis, the reason why so many of the female 
>extras and guests on TNG are large-breasted is because the casting director
>has a thing about big boobs.  Figures.

Not real surprising.... I'd hate to be in her shoes to answer the question,
though...
-- 
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: RIKER: tailcoat-riding pussy?
Keywords: riker
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:11:42 GMT

Why has Riker turned down so many starship commands?  One one hand, we
have a brilliant officer who has made a career move to stay aboard the
Enterprise as her First Officer, yet on the other, he has turned down
far too many offers for us to believe that it would be a good career
move.  Unless he is a firm believer in the Peter Principle, he is
getting to be a waste of a good officer.  The Federation needs him
more than Picard does.  What could possess a man to stay aboard the
Enterprise for so long?  He needs a command of his own soon, or
to be killed off.

/Peter (unprincipled)
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Vidiot's Guide
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:43:29 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct1.212435.15826@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
<
<I just FTP the first section of the guide.  It is excellent but I noticed that
<some of the episodes that are listed are out of order.  Is there a reason for
<this or did I not FTP the most updated version?

You didn't say what files you picked up.

In any event, out-of-order compared to what?  The credits/synopsis pages are
printed in production code order.

The original US airing order is not necessarily followed for US repeats or
overseas airings.
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Mike Okuda/Rick Sternbach Radio Interview
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 05:36:13 GMT

Does anybody know if this radio show airs anywhere in the DC/Baltimore area?

Thanks,
Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Beer - It does
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 a body good."
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Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: VIDIOT! Get a clue!
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:14:43 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <c50nd9#@lynx.unm.edu> quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.001235.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
>>In article <4153@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

[stuff about rmgrouping of rec.arts.startrek deleted]

>Time for a history lesson...
>
>Once upon a time, there was a newsgroup called rec.arts.startrek.
>Last September/October or so, the group was reorganized into the
>following newsgroups:
>
>rec.arts.startrek.fandom - Fandom/Real Life related subjects
>rec.arts.startrek.technical - Treknology
>rec.arts.startrek.current - Discussion of 'new/current' Trek shows,
>                               books, etc.
>rec.arts.startrek.misc - Everything else.

Let's say my site only carries rec.arts.startrek.misc and
rec.arts.startrek.creative. (Why they would only carry these I have no
idea, but my site does seem to have randomly selected which newsgroups
they would carry and which they would not.) Who would I have to speak to
at my site to get them to carry the other startrek groups? Is there
any information I should supply to him or her, so that their job is 
easier, and thus they are more likely to actually carry it out.

william@cs.arizona.edu

	-	D	R	A	G	O	N	-
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From: mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz)
Subject: ftp sites administrators
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 04:50:03 GMT

Would the Star Trek ftp administrators please e-mail me the
complete instructions for both ftp and mail server access for the
list of lists? Thanks.
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Ferengi Politician?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc
X-Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:38:07 GMT
X-From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

Oops!  Sorry, accidently posted this twice.  Mea culpa!
From: whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Correct me if im wrong...
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:43:32 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>Now, I'm not one to get upset over little inconsistency points here and
>there between TOS, the Movies, and TNG, but...this is one that has
>always bothered me.  Only the Roms had the cloaking device in TOS
>(unless of course, you count the Fed theft of said device in "The
>Enterprise Incident").  Suddenly, in the movies, not only do the
>_Klingons_ have it, but they now posess ships also called _Birds of
>Prey_.  What gives?  Did someone fall asleep at the research table?

	Well, of course, the *real* reason is that the Klingons in
STIII were originally supposed to be Romulans...

						John Whelan

--
	"Do you know what Freud said about dreams of flying?
	 It means you're really dreaming about having sex."
	"Indeed?  Tell me then, what does it mean when
	 you dream about having sex?"  -- Sandman #15
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From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Re: Model Painting
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:34:15 GMT

dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD) writes:

>In article <jfarmer.717803786@sfu.ca>, jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) writes...
>>What are the best colours for the main colour of the Enterprise-D to be used
>>to paint the model?  And does anyone now anything about fibre optics?

>Well, I dunno about the colors, but head down to your local radio 
>shack and grab a bunch of the correctly-coloured wheat grain light
>bulbs. I know, I know... not fiber optics, but there should be room
>in the kit to fit a battery, and cutting a "door" out from the 
>plastic of the secondary hull shouldn't be too hard. Besides, bulb
>lighting is easier and more flexible for model kit lighting...

>>
The only problem with lights (which I have considered) is the fact that the
plyons supporting the nacelles are not hollow which makes it interesting to 
try and put lights in the nacelles.  The rest of the ship is relativly easy
for mounting lights.

Jason Farmer
jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca
   
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Model Painting (The answer)
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:32:05 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com writes:
>
>So far under this subject of what paint to use on the E-D. Everyone has 
>put in their .02cents and still no answer.
>
>Well, the answer is Duck Egg Blue.

I mentioned Duck Egg Blue to the original poster via email as the
color recommended by AMT-ERTL.

My 2 cents (not .02 cents :-) is that Duck Egg Blue is too bright.
There's too much contrast with the gray if used only to highlight.
I'd recommend starting with Duck Egg Blue and dulling it down a bit
with a medium gray or blue gray.

>You use that color to highlight details, such as panels or different 
>sections of the ship. Depending on the size of the ship you are 
>building, the directions will tell you where you need to paint. At first 
>it may look like it is the wrong color. But when on a backdrop and the 
>proper lighting it will look real enough.

Didn't look very real to me under any lighting conditions.

There are some things you can do with graphite powder which make the
model look more realistic.

The first is to place a very small amount of graphite in mineral
spirits and brush this onto the hull to bring out the raised detail
without altering the color radically.  If you do this after painting
hull patches, be careful not to dissolve the underlying paint with the
mineral spirits.

Another trick I've used is to apply the powdered graphite directly to
the plastic with a soft dry brush.  Brush vigorously and then "polish"
with a Kleenex or a Kimwipe.  This gives the plastic a surface quality
which better resembles metal.

The former trick would probably be very effective on the Klingon Bird
of Prey from AMT's adversary set.

--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
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Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Cost of Living
Originator: rhballan@c00505-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:58:59 GMT


Could someone please refresh my memory and
send me a summary of "Cost of Living."

I keep hearing how bad it was/is. I'm sure I've
seen it but I have a hard time remembering episode names.


thanx,

Rob
From: number6@milton.u.washington.edu (John Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Alternate universe history
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep27.234808.6411
Organization: The People Who Brought You BEEEEEEER MILKSHAKES!

In article <gill.717630738@physics.ubc.ca> gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill) writes:
>number6@milton.u.washington.edu ( me! ) writes:
>
>>	I'm the one of the authors of the aforementioned timeline.  My 
>>	fanzine, _The_Tantalus_Field,_ features fiction based in the Mirror
>>	Universe, and we had to come up with a consistent and coherent 
>>	background for our stories.  It eventually turned into a complete
>>	history that's part of the Officer's Manual our members receive.
>
>>	We decided that it would be more dramatically valid to have the
>>	divergence-point of the two universes be something we already 
>>	saw in the series -- one of the time-travel stories.  "City on 
>>	the Edge of Forever" was the best example of that, with a 
>>	divergent timeline whose history we never learned past the 
>>	1940's.  This, plus the irony of the gentle Dr. McCoy being 
>>	indirectly responsible for creating the Empire, made using this
>>	episode irresistable.
>
>     I guess you are ignoring Peter David's comic series of the Mirror, Mirror
>universe, where he states that the divergence occurred about 100 years prior
>to TOS due to the Romulans conquering and occupying Earth for 10 years before
>they were overthrown by the precursors to the Empire.  That sounds more
>likely to me.

	Well, yeah, actually, we are.  For one thing, there's very little
	challenge and creativity involved in just copying what the comics 
	did.  (By the way, that definitely wasn't Peter David -- I'm pretty
	sure it was Mike W. Barr.)  For another, the idea of the two timelines
	diverging for no apparent reason seemed both technically and 
	dramatically unsound.  Personal taste.  We preferred to base it 
	off of something that is canon -- not the comics and not any 
	assumptions such as DC Comics made. 

>     Also, the original Ellison script seems to indicate that the Nazi's
>winning WW II caused the use of nuclear weapons to be used extensively and
>effectively destroyed civilization.

	The Ellison script also includes a drug-pushing crewman of 
	the U.S.S. Enterprise, but that's not canon either.

-- 
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    factor: 91%!   Advise repair schedule:  Off-line for 36 hours, re-boot  
    startup disk, and replace head.  I've got to stop reading Usenet ... "   
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