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From: kjk@unislc.uucp (Kirt Krammer)
Subject: Re: buying swords
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:43:38 GMT

From article <27JUL199214511429@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, by uubrian@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Brian Bentz):
> 	Can anyone recommend a good place to buy swords?  Mail order
> would probably be the best option, since I don't think there are such
> places neatr Ft. Wayne, IN or Terre Haute, IN.  Anywhere around Cleveland
> maybe?  Any help would be appreciated.  If this is a FAQ, please Email
> me rather than post it, I'd rather not bore anybody.  Thanks!
> 
> Brian

There was a place in Indianapolis that had a dozen swords on display
when I was there last year.  It was a small shop on the lower level of 
a mall in the downtown area that used to be a train station -- Victoria 
Station?  Union Station?  Sorry I don't remember the name of the
shop or the mall, but if you're in the Terre Haute area, you probably
know the mall or can easily find someone who knows it.  The
Indianapolis yellow pages might help you find the shop, too.

I am no authority on swords so these may have been short on authenticity,
but they looked impressive and were priced accordingly -- $200 and up.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Kirt Krammer                            speaking for hisself                
Unisys Corp, D1V03
322 N. 2200 W., Salt Lake City, UT 84116
801-594-5742   kjk@unislc.slc.unisys.com  -or- unislc!kjk
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Apology and Retraction
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:00:22 GMT


My Lord Thomas Ignatius Periginus, I bid you greeting.

  My lord, I have read several missives by you, and I must say that you have
a true talent for language. Were I sorely wounded by unkind words, know that
a word from you would be as a salve and a healing balm. I do, however, have
a query which I will preface with a short tale.

  One evening I attended our local Sumposion Oikomenikon, and was engaged
with a fellow in a conversation about speaking forsoothly. The old manners
of speech are not as comfortable to us these days, and a proper dialogue in
that manner can be difficult at best. I spoke to this gentle in what can
only be described as a poor mockery of you gentle speech patterns, and I used
`thee' and `thou' when refering to my friend. However, he suddenly asked if
he had given me offense, and when I said that he had not, and asked, somewhat
confusedly why he thought he had, he replied that my usage of `thee' and `thou'
was appropriate only for royalty talking down to a lower class person, or
when trying to make someone feel they are lower classed than yourself.

  Please, good Milord, this is not an admonishment, and should not be taken
as such. I am somewhat confused about proper speech patterns when speaking,
as we call it, forsoothly. As I am planning to enter the Enchanted Ground at
Pennsic this year for the first time, I would be most grateful for any 
instruction you, or any gentles who read this, could give me. I would not
wish to offend any who encamped there, and one of those is my own boss, Lady
Angharad. I especially do not wish to offend the legendary Cariadoc, who has
made the Enchanted Ground what it is. 

  I hope this gets to you soon enough for me to read the reply before leaving.
I have to be there on opening day as I am attached to the Troll staff this 
year, and wil probably be leaving in the wee hours of Saturday morning. If
you are going to Pennsic, I would like very much to meet you in person. I am
encamped with the Dark Horde Moritu if you should so choose to seek me out.

In service to the Society,
Corun MacAnndra



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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Cease Fire Proposal
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:11:47 GMT

I think Hossein has a series of excellent ideas, and I applaud
them.

In that spirit, Pax to us all on this.  And, as I was one of those
who posted on this topic, I hope I offended none, and apologize
if I had.  While none have written me directly or on the Rialto
claiming offense taken, should you feel I have offended, write
to me, and I will tender a personal apology.

Can we please settle down into a peacable place, so we can go
off to War (Pennsic) with a clear conscience?  (:-)

(To Hossein and Greg, may your God keep you well, may I timidly
hope this is "welcome back?)

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
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From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Fiacha's household proposal
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:48:42 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Unto all who reads these words, and most
especially my lord Fiacha, greetings.

Fiacha proposes that the household, rather
than some geographic center such as a barony,
be the smallest 'official' group for SCA purposes,
able to host events and perform other official
functions.

Leaving aside historical basis for the argument
(about which the most learned Hossein --may the
Lord defend and keep him-- has discoursed in greater
length and with far more learning than I could ever
hope), I see a political flaw in the argument.
It would put to great a pressure on newcommers
to join a household.  I am told that in some
areas, households have been used for ill-purposes
such as to secure some perceived power or prestige.
Or that some heads of households may take undue
liberties, or foster attitudes contrary to the
genial comeradship to which we should aspire.

At the moment, one of the checks on housholds'
is that they have no 'real' status.  They are
an artificial attempt to describe, in SCA terms,
a number of period groupings (clans, guilds,
a great lord and retainers).  Should household
alleginace matter in some 'real' sense, such as
determining whther a group exists, can hold events,
etc. Then all the ills which folk mean by 'politics'
would run unchecked by any sense of absurdity.
All households would put pressure on people to join,
and people who felt no need of a household generally
might feel constrained to join one so that they
might have and opportunity to autocrat events or
fulfill any of the duties now done by local group
officers.  This, it seems to me, would be most
ill, perverting the nature of a household
(which, to my mind, is comeradship or the furtherance
of a craft).

In service,
Yaakov
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:22:22 -0400 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mt. Clan Piper's Competition?

Dia Daoibh!  (Greetings)

I believe the Confederation of the Mountain Clans has made it tradition
to host a bagpiping competition at war.  

Might someone of the clan be able to tell me when this year's
competition will be?  I ask as both a piping fan myself, and the
companion of a rather skilled piper who is debating whether to bring his
pipes.  

Go raibh maith agat anois. (Thanks in advance)

Bro/nach



_______________________________________________________________________________
                                        ,
Becka Roolf, Research Associate       Bronach na Darach
College of Fine Arts, SFCI            lover of Celtic music, art, culture, etc.
ITeN Project (Interactive Anc. Egypt)           ,           ,   ,   ,          
Carnegie Mellon University            Is mise Bronach, ach nil me bronach.
Pittsburgh, PA                        Ta Gaeilge beag agam, ach me ag foghlaim!
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period vs. Filk (was Basic Courtesy)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <712567015.F00005@therose.pdx.com> Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:
>Better yet, lets *not use a "word". Instead we need to be *explicit* and 
>*detailed* about what is and is not acceptable. It is wrong to expect 
>newcomers to know such jargon immediately. And as the examples you gave 
>above show, it's the *newcomers* that will fall afoul of this. 
 
A good point.

Very well, let's not confront the newly arrived with _any_ of our
technical terms, including "mundane," but instead tell them "avoid
melodies, language, and references after 1600" ("or thereabouts," depend-
ing on where you live).

But as soon as they have been around long enough to start learning some
of our other specialized vocabulary, including but not limited to
"mundane", "garb", "stickjock", "rhinohide", "war-legal", "period",
"perioid", and "HOLD!", then let us also introduce them to "filk" and
"contrefait".  Because I think it's a useful distinction and I hope it
will obviate some of these discussions where I am talking about what I
consider filk and you are talking about what you consider filk and
neither of us understands the other.

As for the lady who was turned away from Cariadoc's camp, I've always
wondered if the real problem was that it was dark and she didn't see,
or couldn't read, the notice which (so I'm told) explains the ground
rules....


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.


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From: ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Subject: New Miscellany, Cookbook Collections
Reply-To: ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:14:52 GMT


    New Miscellanies and Cookbooks

If my printer delivers on schedule, there will be new editions of the
Miscellany and Volume II of the cookbook collection at Pennsic, and
the old edition of volume I. They will be sold by Alban St. Albans.
His tent will be in its usual location, which he describes as
follows:  

look for the Cooper's white house, and by it is the mundane entrance,
and then there's a merchant space, and i'm the next one over. right
between the sandbox and the road. this year, it's merchant space 107,
listed under potboiler press. (cooper's house, driveway, tent, me.). 

His arms, prominently displayed, are: "Per saltire Or and gules, a
saltire between four crosses couped, all counterchanged." According
to him "I usually tell people to look for the 2-colored X, or the
tent with the muckin' big red and yellow thing on the roof."

I will not be selling my books directly, since I did not get around
to applying for blanket space before the deadline. I expect I will be
selling by mail after Pennsic.

Cariadoc/David
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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: "Once upon a Weekend" demo tape
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:09:03 GMT

In article <711615569.F00004@therose.pdx.com> Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:

>TA>  From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
>TA>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>TA>  In article <X67yNB4w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca>
>TA>  graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon) writes:
>TA>
>TA>  >I *loathe*, *loathe*, *loathe* being photographed, because I have
>TA>     ^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^
>TA>  Why, why, why?  I have met several people who feel this way, and I
>TA>  have yet
>TA>  to understand it.  
>How about many years of bad-looking photos?

>I will consent for good friends, or to preserve a truly special moment, but 
>I hate it nonetheless.

>IS it any business of yours, BTW?

Sure.  I like to take photgraphs, but as  practicing libertarian, I try to 
give people their choice in any activity we share.  In asking what the big 
deal is, I am trying to be tolerant of what seems to me to be an 
unreasonable and irrational attitude.  I'm jsut trying to understand here.

Look at it from my perspective.  In taking a candid photo I am, in My 
perception, hurting no one.  Is it unreasonable for me to at least wonder 
why something that brings me pleasure should be denied for apparently no 
reason?

I just want to understand.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Elliptical Hazards
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Twice in recent months, there has been misunderstanding as a result
of one person posting an elliptical message and someone else reading
into it a different interpretation than the author intended and
taking umbrage. The recent case was Stephen's one sentence comment on
filk. The earlier case was a throwaway line (by Aryk?) to the effect
that the problem with the American educational system is puritanism.
Angharad took that as claiming that American academics, including
her, were puritans, and objected accordingly. The later (and
interesting) explanation from the remark's author was that he meant
that the problem was the puritan assumption in our culture that
anything good for you, such as education, must taste bad. (All this
is my summary from memory, so I may not have it exactly right).

I think these incidents suggest that we should all be careful in
writing and reading elliptical statements. It is fun saying things in
a compact, elegant, and interestingly ambiguous form (that is one of
the points of poetry); I thought the comment about puritanism was an
intriguing one, and enjoyed waiting for the other shoe to drop. But
such statements, by their nature, require reading between the lines,
and are thus particularly open to misinterpretation--a problem that,
as Angharad has just pointed out, also exists more generally. I think
the best approach is to be sure to treat your guess about what the
author meant as tentative until the author confirms it--make a guess,
but don't write things that you would not want to write if the guess
turns out to be wrong.

David/Cariadoc
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Why not pentacles:
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:45:35 GMT

In article <711716686.F00003@therose.pdx.com> Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:
>
>Always be nice to police, and invite them in and talk to them about the 
>middle ages when at events. They have a tendency to be concerned when they 
>think people aren't being open with them, and imagine things...
>
>Show off your toys with pride, and explain them until their eyes start to 
>glaze and they develop reasons to "have to leave". Most police are really 
>human beings inside, and most of them *love* weapons (so long as they aren't 
>*pointed* at them!-) 

Our local fighter practice is held in the parking lot of a major mass
transit system.  Not only is the 'site' *very* public, but it is
actively patrolled.  We've had officers from the Transit District, the
local city (Oakland, for reference), and the state Highway Patrol drop
by.  One evening our knight marshall was bubbling over after an
officer had left.  It was the first time she'd actually gotten an
officer to try on a helm . . .

>If your group has police members, or members who are 
>mundane mainstream clergy or elders it is probably helpful to rub this in 
>their consciousness a bit, to counteract "educational" seminars like that 
>given by the aforementioned "expert".

There are two SCA members (that I know of) on the force in or near Los
Angeles.  (One of them, by the way, had a *very* near miss in the late
unpleasantness there--a bullet went through his police helmet from
front to back leaving him with a minor concussion.  The other one had
a bulltet his his police car--while he was in it--and his windshield
was smashed.  He was out gurading fire units during the first long day
of trouble.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: PRIEST@vaxsar.vassar.EDU (CAROLYN PRIEST-DORMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Gundestrup Cauldron
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:06:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Unto the Fishyfolk of the Rialto from Thora Sharptooth, greeting!

About the Gundestrup Cauldron's supposed origin in India, Timothy Taylor has
the following to say in his "The Gundestrup Cauldron," SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN 266,
no. 3 (March 1992):

"My own analysis of the pictorial representations shows that although the
cauldron displays features usually considered to be Celtic and although it was
found in a part of Europe considered Germanic at this date, the silversmiths
probably lived in Thrace, in southeastern Europe." (p. 84)

Taylor is a British archaeologist and an assistant editor of ANTIQUITY.  In the
article he also cites possible parallels to Indian iconography, speculates
about various European manifestations of shamanism, and notes that "in 1895
Japetus Steenstrup of the University of Copenhagen proposed an origin [for the
cauldron] in medieval northern India, Tibet or Mongolia." (p. 87)

There's a dynamite half-page color photo of the cauldron itself, which is why I
bought that particular issue--that, and the article on spider silk.  (Silk in
any form is enticing!)

****************************************************************************
Carolyn Priest-Dorman			Thora Sharptooth
Poughkeepsie, NY			Frosted Hills
priest@vassar.edu			East Kingdom
            Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or
****************************************************************************
From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why not pentacles:
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:42:56 GMT
Organization: Old, used cleric

In article <50845@dime.cs.umass.edu> prosser@elux3.cs.umass.edu (DANIEL PROSSER) writes:
>		I have seen it in a source I believe to be period, an 
>obscure book on Quaballah (sp?) called _The Sacred Book of Abra-Melin the 
>Mage_.  

	Nope, sorry -- "Abramelin the Mage" is mid-19th Century -- most
probably written by Eliphas Levy, if memory serves.  Anyway, it is a
product of the generation of occultists just before MacGregor Mathers
and Aleister Crowley, not by any stretch of the imagination period.


-- 
Sam'l Bassett -- System Administrator 	      (among other silly things)
Work: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253
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From: asparrow@mcs213b.cs.umr.edu (Angelia Sparrow)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Rapier Combat
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:33:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: umriscc.5501
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Your pardon all,
this is at best tangetial to the ongoing
discussion.

When were rapiers and main gauches first used?
(rough dates)

What chance would a fighter using the live version of
the above have against one using a broadsword and dagger?
(I'm a novelist and having a bit of trouble with this
scene)  My lord husband maintains that the first blow would
break the thinner rapier.  My collaborator says not.

Many thanks, and again my apologies for the
interruption.

Aethelynda d'Eath, Callanish-nuach, Calontir
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Steward's office restructuring.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:12:08 GMT

Branwen ferch Emrys wrote, to me:
  I think it might be courteous to tell Hilary that you post her letters to
  you in a public forum before you post them.

Did.  But, it's a very good point, and I'm glad you brought it up
in public.

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Self Defense
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:54:59 GMT

In article <712043902.F00015@therose.pdx.com> Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:

>NEVER draw your weapon in a serious situation unless you are mentally and 
>physically prepared for the worst. The very act of being DEAD SERIOUS about 
>the weapon will often be enough to win the day, even if it should come 
>down to combat, as it gives a psychological advantage. Be businesslike and 
>calm, or at least do your best to appear that way.

This cannot be underlined enough.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Many questions, Ann Arbor Medieval Festival, and SCA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:31:00

Milord Rich, I did not note any replies to your questions, so I shall  
 answer a few here.
 RA> Ann Arbor.  (Is it ill practice to pronounce the acronym 'scah?'  I've
 RA> heard many mundaners refer to the Society as that, but realize that
   This falls under the heading of "interkingdom anthropology."  That 
 is, "scah" is common in the MidRealm, Ess Cee A more prevalent here in 
 the southern reaches.
 RA> years ago) at least a couple practicing armigers 
 RA> (correct term?) in the
  Nope.  An armiger is a person who has the right to a coat of arms, 
 heraldry, in other words.  "Smith" is the word you want.  Today we 
 might qualify that by saying "weapons-smith" or perhaps armourer, but 
 I *think* those would be modern distinctions.
     As for guilds, it much depends on the local area.  Each area has 
 different levels of craftspeople available to help others.  If nought 
 else avails, yes, you may well get SCA publications on various crafts.
 RA>    I also need to know about costs involved in SCA membership.  $25/2
 RA> years, for national membership, is that correct?  
 RA> But then you also have
 RA> to pay for many specific publications and to attend 
 RA> most events, true? 
 RA> Are there any other hidden expenses in 
 RA> participating?  I'm in rather dire
   Actually, $25/yr gets you your kingdom newsletter and Tournaments 
 Illuminated (a qtrly mag.) in addition to your membership.  $12 simply 
 gets you a membership.  Each "event" will have a specific fee charged 
 for it, for generally these places must be rented, and may have other 
 costs involved.  However, most local meetings have no cost attached.  
 In the Steppes, none of our meetings have a cost attached.  On the other  hand, most of our populace revels are quite cramped because they are 
 held in people's homes, which are never quite commodious enough.  We 
 prefer this to paying an entrance fee, however.  So, if you lived in 
 Dallas, you could attend Fighter Practice, Bardic practice, dance 
 practice, swash practice, calligraphers & illuminors "guild", in 
 addition to the business meeting and populace meeting.  Plus several 
 groups I'm sure I've missed.
     One "hidden" cost is your clothing.  You must wear an attempt at  
 pre-17th ce. clothing.  Now, the level of expense you put out is 
 totally up to you.  If you can be comfortable with one T-tunic, 
 non-grey sweatpants, and boots, then your expense will be small.
 (Grey is a perfectly period color.  However, in combination with 
 sweats, it calls up the 20th ce. too strongly)
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd

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