HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Show Results Winchester KY
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul27.160958.8110@claven.cambridge.ibm.com> owens@claven.cambridge.ibm.com (David Owens) writes:
>In article <e0UP03Eg44=800@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>>Show Results Winchester KY
>>26 July 1992
>>
>>1	86.9	Santa Clara Vanguard	All Captions
>>2	82.1	Velvet Knights
>>3	72.1	Mauraders
>>4	72.6	Boston Crusaders

  4     71.6    Boston Crusaders

>>5	64.5	Magic of Orlando
>>
>>
>>Neil   -SCV-
>
>Is there a typo in the scores or in the placements here?  (or did Boston
>get a penalty?)  

Oops, sorry.

>Has anyone seen the Mauraders in person and want to comment on their show?

I saw their early shows in Northern Cal and they had a good show with
possibilities.  I liked their color gurard special effects.  In fact,
watching the opening of the olympics made me think that the ocean effect
used for the opening would be a great addition to their show.

>Dave Owens BAC 85-88
>(Boston staff member who can't wait to join the corps in Allentown for the
>rest of tour)
>
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Neil   -SCV-
From: streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DATR-LATE REVIEW
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:45:15 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I've been reading this newsgroup for some time now and just tickled that
I've finally figured out how to join in (no, I'm not a PC whiz).

I'm also not a veteran of any corp and don't have the experience or "war
stories" most of you have - but I've been an enthusiast of the sport since
1966.  Only wish I had had the opportunity to march.

The net has been a joy to read.  To hear how the scoring is going cross
country as they head for finals, takes me back to the east coast and
weekly access to contests with just a short drive.  This once-a-year
show in Denver is way too lean, but I can remember when there were none!
I've attended the Denver show practically every year since 1971 when 
someone finally exposed the west to drumcorp (now Denver has its own).

With all this, some opinions about DATR:

I agree with the simple yet direct description of Blue Devils "hate the
dice...cluttered field...raunchy guard."  To me this was not a usual
"quality" BD show.  (Being a mother of a teenage girl - I don't think I
would appreciate my daughter doing some of those moves and considering the
ages of the members, the directors are showing a bit of bad taste.)

I liked Santa Clara and thought they would win.  Particularly (being a long
time viewer) the OTL start-memories!  The horns sounder clearer, warmer
not 'blarey' as with BD.  However, I will concede that the colorguard was
lacking in color.  My opinion: they're holding back-will have something for
finals not yet seen (i.e. colorguard change).

Troopers should have placed before Mauraders.  They're on their way back.
I saw them back east last 60's at their peak-knocked you over.  That old
feeling was felt in this show - all they need is time.

Blue Knights-they've come a long way baby.  Talk about execution - I was
impressed.  This is the 'quality' BD show I referred to.  I can see what
the colorguard director is trying to do in using them to enhance rather 
than dominate the program, but the flags and costumes were too well matched
with the corp and lost at times.  Also, jeans, sandels and tied blouses
looks like they had forgotten to change.

Won't be able to make any more comments until after the finals broadcast,
but will read the net to "watch" what's happening.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Problem posting
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:27:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



   If you are reading this post, please let me know by
either following up or e-mail.  I seem to be having trouble
posting these days.  My computer dept. does not believe me,
because the posting shows up at our site, yet it does not
reach anyone else on the net. ( I have e-mailed individuals
and they have not seen my postings recently).

   I am posting this on Monday, July 27, 2:30 pm, EST.

   If ANYONE would be so kind as to include what time they
spotted this posting and from where, it would be greatly
appreciated.

   My e-mail address is    dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu

Thank you.  Ken Dowzycki

P.S.  Thanks again Michael Fath for re-posting for me last 
      week.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: posting to this newsgroup
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:36:26 GMT

In article <Jul.29.10.32.13.1992.26613@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> 
> 
>    If anyone can see this posting, please, please contact me
> either as a follow up or by e-mail.  I can't seem to get
> through to any newsgroups.
> 
>    This is being posted on July 29, 10:36 AM, EST
> 
> If you would be so kind to reply please include the date and
> time you are reading this.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> Email     dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu

I received your posts from both the 27th and the 29th on the afternoon of 
Thursday, July 30.  I am also having some wierd encounters with this newsgroup
right now because I have found about 9 "new" postings of scores etc. which have
been repeated from last week.  Anybody else having this problem.

						Charles Holt
						Still no diclaimer or
						cute quote, but working
						on it
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Alexandria, KY
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:21:34 GMT

Scores from Alexandria, KY.  July 26

1.	Cadets of Bergen County		88.8
2.	Blue Knights			83.0
3.	Bluecoats			77.1
4.	Spirit of Atlanta		74.1
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Drill
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.181121.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>I have used the program called Pyware to do my drill writing.  It works ok and
>they have a new version out now.  They have been writing drill programs for
>several years and have at least 11 versions (updates) since they began.

>>>>Drill writing programs are very useful for the marchers, too! The program
I'm familiar with (No, I can't remember the name) will print out all the 
coordinates for each marching member! It's really neat! :)

Kel
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: POC Prelims Friday (Star ARRRGGGHH!!!)
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 12:18:18 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Jul25.145706.15942@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu
(Jeffrey V. Butera) says:
>
> (re: Star winning POC Nashville)
>Say it isn't so, say it isn't so.  I can say that I respect ANY
>corps that can perform to a level to win DCI. HOWEVER, I have problems
>with Star.  My thoughts stem from the idea that some wealthy businessman
>can "walk in a buy a corps a DCI title".  That's exactly the way I
>feel, that Sr. Cook and company just proved that the system isn't about
>a bunch of kids working their living asses off to perform, it's all
>about money. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
BS, BS, BS!!!  Did anyone ever say this about SCV when their members lived
like royalty (as compared to other corps)?  Is it bad when a corps has the
resources to give the kids quality equipment and instruction?
 
In this day of high operating expenses, don't think for a second that any
other corps wouldn't love to have the financial foundation that Star
has.   Not because they would be assured of winning the championships, but
because there would be a lot fewer things to worry about on tour.
 
Yeah, money makes their life easier on the road, but are you saying
that ANY group of kids with money could win?  I hope not.  Star has
(arguably) the best complete set of musicians on the field, and they
didn't get that way since November.  There are admission criteria for getting
in, and to get in, you've got to be pretty damn good to begin with.  That means
that anyone who made Star (or most any other corps) has TALENT and has
WORKED THEIR ASS OFF TO GET WHERE THEY ARE.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: POC Prelims Friday (Star ARRRGGGHH!!!) 
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:15:31 EDT

1. Star of Indiana	91.9
2. Blue Devils		89.7
3. Cavaliers		89.2
4. Madison Scouts	88.5
5. Phantom Regiment	88.1
6. Cadets of BC		88.0
7. SCV			86.2
8. Blue Knights		85.8
9. Crossmen		85.3
10. Velvet Knights	81.8
11. Bluecoats		78.0
12. Freelancers		77.6
13. Glassmen		76.6
14. Spirit of Atlanta	74.2
15. Sky Ryders		72.8
16. Boston Crusaders	72.7
17. Marauders		71.1
18. Dutch Boy		68.7
19. Troopers		66.9
20. Magic		66.1
21. Colts		65.1
22. Southwind		64.7
23. Carolina Crown	62.2
24. Black Gold		60.4

comments:

Madison is doing great!!  Better than I expected, but I still predict
w3that Cadets will end up ahead of Madison and Phantom.{

Glassmen, Southwin were dumped on!!

What's the deal with Star?  What the heck did they do that in 4 days that
caused them to go from 0.6 behind Blue Devils to 2.2 ahead of them?  It
seems inconceivable to me!!

WARNING:  sTAR BASHING AHEAD
These scores frustrate me because I now know that Star will win
DCI again.  No surprises, no fun and another show
that lacks any entertainment value.  I sure hope I'm wrong, bunless they
have significantly changed their show since I saw it, their show is just a
technical exercize designed for judges only.  Please, someone who has seen
them recently, tell me what you think.  I am letting my biases run away with me!


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M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Scores from July 22.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:37:11 EDT
Return-Receipt-To: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu
To: fath1@husc
Status: R
Originator: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu


Here are some scores from Alton, IL.

1.  Star of Indiana  86.4
2.  Blue Devils      85.2
3.  Freelancers      76.0
4.  Marauders        67.3
5.  Black Gold       63.1



Centerville, OH.

1.  Cavaliers      85.5
2.  Crossmen       81.3
3.  Glassmen       76.0
4.  Velvet Knights 75.0
5.  Bluecoats      71.5
6.  Dutch Boy      66.7
7.  Limited Edition 55.4


Huntington, WV.

1.  Phantom Regiment   85.4
2.  Cadets of BC       84.9
3.  Spirit of Atlanta  76.1
4.  Sky Ryders         68.3
5.  Southwind          64.3
6.  Magic              61.3



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MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Scores from Ankeny, IA, Bellevue, OH, Pittsburgh, PA
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:23:43 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Here are the scores from Tuesday, July 21.

Ankeny, Iowa

1.  Blue Devils      87.0
2.  Star of Indiana  84.6
3.  Freelancers      73.9
4.  Marauders        67.7
5.  Black Gold       61.3


Bellevue, OH                   Pittsburgh, PA

1.  Cavaliers        87.8      1. tie  Phantom, Cadets     86.7
2.  Crossmen         81.4      3. Spirit of Atlanta        74.5
3.  Glassmen         73.2      4. Sky Ryders               73.5
4.  Velvet Knights   72.7      5. Southwind                65.1
5.  Bluecoats        71.2      6. Magic                    61.3
6.  Dutch Boy        60.9
7.  Limited Edition  46.6
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Net Get-Together
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:07:08 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul28.171619.3809@athena.mit.edu> stevenj@athena.mit.edu (Steven G Johnson) writes:
>Regarding the net get-together in Madison,  I feel that we should
>meet somewhere around 3 PM on Friday and go out for lunch/dinner.
>I don't think that the stadium will be open at that hour, so perhaps
>we can meet either in the Expo (DCW booth) or in the souvie area outside.
>I recall that the souvie area is in a separate fenced-in area from
>the stadium proper, and should be open by 3 PM.  We could meet at
>either the DCI table or one of the corps stands (any suggestions?).
>
>Glenn Johnson

Agreed.  I've volunteered to coordinate and reach a consensus.  Anyone 
interested in meeting in Madison at 3:00 p.m. for lunch or at 5:30
before the show on Friday, send me email and I'll keep everyone
posted.


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MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Oldtimer new to network
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:02:24 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Jul22.143237.24502@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.175625.26772@exu.ericsson.se> exujsch@exu.ericsson.se (Johnny Schmittou T-EEG x7887 Dallas) writes:
>>
>>a contest with that corps on it.  They did a tune called "Pictures
>>of Spain" (I had also heard this referred to as "Off the Line"?)
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> No, Johnny.  As far as I've been marching, off the line is a phrase
> used to describe the opening, or first song in a show.  Anyone else
> have this or other interpreptation?
> 
> Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
> 
Actually, there is a piece called "Off the Line" that I played in high school
marching band twice, I know that others have used it as well.  It did sound
like some sort of Spanish piece, but I'm not sure whether it was derived from
"Pictures of Spain" or not.

					Charles Holt
From: mandersn@iastate.edu (Mark A Anderson)
Subject: Dallas -- July 29
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:16:20 GMT

16th Annual Lake Highlands Festival of Drums and Bugles

Scores now, reviews later tonight or tommorrow.

1.  Cavaliers ......... 89.7
2.  Phantom Regiment .. 87.4
3.  Glassmen .......... 76.2
4.  Sky Ryders ........ 73.0
5.  Colts ............. 66.6
6.  Black Gold ........ 63.0
7.  Delta Brigade ..... 43.2

They marched in reverse order of this, in reverse
order of finish from Tennessee.

I'll post reviews when I finish typing them up.

			/\/\ark
From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: POC Prelims Friday (Star ARRRGGGHH!!!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:52:36 GMT
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.

In article <92209.121818MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.145706.15942@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu
>(Jeffrey V. Butera) says:
>>
[Yeah, I know what I said....]
>
> There are admission criteria for getting
>in, and to get in, you've got to be pretty damn good to begin with.  That means
>that anyone who made Star (or most any other corps) has TALENT and has
>WORKED THEIR ASS OFF TO GET WHERE THEY ARE.
> 
>Mike Hughes
K
Mike, I'm NOT arguing that they aren't the best or anyone with $$ could
be without talent.  I feel that (unfortunately) it's a slight edge to Star
to not have to worry about finaces.  We've many a good corps (ala 27) go
and choke due to money and it's too bad that the ones who st afloat
are ones that can survive over the years financially.  That's all. I 
_respect_ Star for their performance.

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:23:32 EDT
From: <DER107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: '83 Phantom/Garfield & '92 Star
 <1992Jul25.085803.14157@husc3.harvard.edu>

In article <1992Jul25.085803.14157@husc3.harvard.edu>, fath1@husc8.harvard.edu
(Michael Fath) says:
>
>In article <9207241936.AA16002@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
>dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>>
>>   " We march in Phantom 'cause we like straight lines...
>>     "We march in Phantom 'cause we like 4th place....
>>
>We march in Phantom 'cause we like straight lines...
>We march in Phantom 'cause we 4th place...
>
>We march in Phantom 'cause we like to park and blow...
>We march in Phantom 'cause we have a boring show...
>
>PHANTOM REGIMENT
>PHANTOM REGIMENT (This is the part of 1812 with the cannons.)

Funny, I learned the lyrics as:
"We march with Phantom 'cause we peak too soon..."

I really enjoyed reading everyone's stories about DCI in the early '80s.
The activity has become much more polite, but maybe a little more boring
now that corps no longer go out of their way to insult the others.

Garfield '83-'85 pissed a lot of people off and led to a good many rivalries
that have only recently begun to cool off. It looks like Star of Indiana may
be generating a similar animosity. I think the activity is more mature today
and we won't see the corps abusing one another in public, but the audience
reactions to Star's world championship comes close.

When it comes down to it, Star bought last year's championship the same way
every DCI title gets bought: by countless hours of hard work on difficult
material. The money helps, the low tour fee helps, the talented staff helps,
but Star's show was too difficult and was executed too competently for money
to be the only factor.

If they win again this year, it will be because they performed their show
at a higher level than other corps did. Their efforts and victories should
not be belittled. I don't particularly like their show this year, although it
has more beautiful and "drum corps" moments than in 1991, but it is worthy
of a world championship if no other corps can perform at the same level. I
wouldn't write the rest of the top six out of it just yet. From the posted
comments, other corps are playing difficult repertoire and have a lot of
cleaning to do in the next three weeks.

Just my opinion, of course.

-Doug Rank
1990 Reading Buccaneers
1991 Cadets of Bergen County
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Comparing BD, Mad, Cavies 
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:06:17 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul23.215840.7067@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>I guess my last post got passed by.  Anyway, (for those in the west)
>how do you think the following will stack up:
>
>Blue Devils
>Madison
>Cavies
>
>Any pre-finals thought? 
>
>-- 
>Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
>
>DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
>fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 


Well, not having seen 2 of the 3, you can take my comments with a grain of salt
BUT:  my impressions are that

1. Madison scores indicate that they looking at a solid 5-7 place finish and
other DCW writer's I talk to seem to agree.  Their show does not seem to have 
visual difficulty necessary to win.  Then again, that's what I thought (and
still do think) about their 1988 show  :-)

2. Blue Devils have a history of either having a corps that is so strong that
no one can catch them (1982, 1986 etc.) or not winning.  They aren't known
for their big pushes near finals.  As it stands now, they look in good shape
but if they lose once before Madison, I would expect them not to win.

3. Cavies have their best show ever IMHO and their horns are noticably better
than last year (although not scoring as high as PR, MAD, STAR).  They do have
a serious groomsman label to overcome but this may be their best chance yet.

Don't count out Star either.  While I don't like their show, the judges clearly
do.  They also seem like strong contenders.  BTW, I don't like them because
they seem to be more intent on putting on a display of technical expertise than
on putting on a drum corps show.  I think that they were able to take popular
American patriotic music and make it inaccessible.  

Any other opinions?

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M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: dkinney@chilidog.bothell.sgi.com (Dan Kinney)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Drills and Drillwriting
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:57:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


I had the opportunity to work under Zingali in 1985 (has it been 
that long?) when he wrote the drill for Northwest Passage Movement
Choir.  The drill was pretty incredible, especially in three regards.

1) We learned the ENTIRE drill in ONE day 
2) Although we played with the drill over the season, we never had 
   to make major rewrites
3) Although it was an incredible constant motion drill, it was
   written in a way that we could lay LOTS of movement on top of it

(Point 3 was VERY important as we had Stanley Knaub doing our movement,
so we had lots of in and out of the ground.)

In fact, we videotaped the results of the drill on the day we learned 
it.  I was incredible being able to see the drill in its raw form - 
w/o movement or equipment.  I still have the tape and watch it every 
now and again (my main source of mushy memories).  George also gave me
his original drill sheets.  Practically useless, however, since the
good stuff happens BETWEEN the sets.

The most important commentary about George Zingali is his understanding 
of motion and rythmn, and his INCREDIBLE enthusiasm when teaching his 
drill.  

There are always subtle moves that he puts into his drill.  Most people 
think that these are just extra flourishes that drill designers put in
to show their prowess.  This is NOT the case with Zingali.  If you look 
at a drill with your ears as much as with your eyes, you will discover 
the "unheard rythmn" - the secondary melodies, the harmony structure.  
What the best part of drill is that the designer has the power to 
underscore these subtle ingredients of the musical peice, making that 
music three-dimensional.

I have gone on to write for color guards (although I did a band drill
that did well).  I have always tried not to copy George's style, but 
to draw from the same source of it - the music.


-- 

- Dan Kinney                 Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Seattle, WA
                             dkinney@bothell.sgi.com 

"All my life I've been torn between frivolity and despair, between
the desire to amuse and the desire to annoy, between dread-filled
insomnia and a sense of my own goofiness.  Just like you, I worry
about love and sex and work and suffering and injustice and death,
but I also dig drawing bulgy-eyed rabbits with tragic overbites."

                                    - Matt Groening
                                      "The Big Book of Hell"