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From: websterjusti@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: This Music-type casting argument
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:49:48 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1eeqr4INNcp4@agate.berkeley.edu>, alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko) writes:
> In article <1ebse1INNgmq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ainsi@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Robert Bristol) writes:
>>
>>	Not like a particularly subscribe the school which feels a need for 
>>a division between musical types I will add my two cents to this argument:
>>
>>	Pop Metal:  Van Halen, Queensryche (I love 'em, but they go here if at 
>>	            all), Poison, etc.
>>	Thrash:  I define this as the type of music where the drum beats get
>>	         ahead of the rest of it,  like the music is always trying to 
>>		 catch up with the percussion.  It usually is as fast as Death
>>		 or Speed metal but there is almost NO BASS.  Real tinny sound.
>>
>> 
> 
> First of all, Queensryche is Progressive Metal, if you want to categorize them right.
> Second of all, thrash has VERY HEAVY and FAST BASS! If you would ever listen to Kreator,
> Anthrax's early albums, Sodom or Violent Force or Dark Angel, you would probably hear a hell
> of a bass. Where did you get that thrash has no bass?
> 

I agree.  Where do you think it has no bass?  It sounds tinny yes, but what 
you're hearing IS bass drum.  They are tuned so the sound is very tight.  
They sound almost like they do live.  The bass sound a lot like a tightly 
tuned rack tom, but it IS definitely bass.  I don't mean to flame, but 
maybe you just didn't hear it right the first time.  Listen again, and I'm 
sure you'll agree.

Off the subject, has anyone heard what the lastest deal with Testament is?  
Alex is out after this tour I know, but what are they going to do?  Has 
anyone heard about this?

Well till they tell me I'm to deaf to rock----
					J Paul
From: ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Heavy Heavy Metal
Keywords: Metal
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:09:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov13.222445.1600@ics.com> ben@ics.com (Benjamin Friedman) writes:
>
>Recently on a buiseness trip to London I found myself browsing the multitude of metal fanzines....
>
>I am starting a CD Collection of thrash albums.  I am clueless.  Please some boby out there in net-land fill me in.  Please post your responses to this group, for as I am such a popular guy my mail box is full (joke).  I would love to see some good stuff posted.  
>
>Thanks all!

Being more into thrash than death, I feel a little justified in jumping in
here.  First off, the old Kreator albums are incredibly awesome.
_Pleasure to Kill_, _Flag of Hate_, and _Endless Pain_ (which all share some
songs, but I have all three anyway) are absolutely incredible.  A MUST for any
thrash collection.  Also good thrash are Sabbat's first two albums, _A History
of a Time to Come_ and _Dreamweaver_.  I would assume that Skyclad is also
good (Sabbat's singer quit and formed Skyclad; I never heard them so I'm not
sure), but unless you're into the Fates Warinng/Lethal/mid-career Maiden kind
of scene, don't get Sabbat's last album, _Mourning Has Broken._  Dark Angel
also ranks as awesome thrash, with _Darkness Descends_ and _Leave Scars_, but
avoid there '90 release (the name escapes me but I *think* it's _Time Heals
All Wounds_, could be wrong).  It's not as good.  On the lighter side, there's
groups like PowerMad and Sanctuary, but if you're looking for truly fast, 
hard, heavy thrash, go for Kreator, Sabbat, Dark Angel, and Holy Terror.

"Holy Terror?"  I hear you ask.  "Who the hell is Holy Terror?"  Holy Terror
is an incredible band that has (as far as I know) only two albums, both 
released in 1988.  One of them, _Mind Wars_ is the most awesome heavy metal
album ever made, period.  DEFINITELY the best thrash album, hands down.
Anyone ever heard of them?  I'm going to Tower Records this weekend to 
special order their other one, _Terror and Submission_, which is also great,
but not quite as heavy.  (I lost the tape goddamnit!  I owned that fucking tape
and I lost it!  AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!)

-James
University of Pennsylvania
ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

P.S.  I'll probably get flamed by one camp or another no matter what I do, but
I have to say that Slayer is an incredible thrash band.  All of you out there
going, "NO! Slayer is not thrash!" I apologize to.  It's just how I look at 
them.  They're the original.  Anything else is influenced at best, if not
directly copied.

P.P.S.  The fastest thrash song ever written was by Ministry, "T.V. Song." 
(They call it "T.V. II" on the album.)  I'll probably get flamed for that, 
too, but what the hell; even Kreator can't keep up with a machine.  And
"T.V. Song" has an almost-blast go through out the whole song.  It's 
Incredible.  Check it out.

P.P.P.S.  What the hell's the deal with all these #@*$ postscripts?!?!?!
From: fusion@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (The Rocket Scientist)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: What's the deal with Slayer?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:44:56 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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Anyone know what's happening with Slayer?  Are they planning a new
album?  Is it going to be released any time this century?  Any news
at all would be great.  Thanks!

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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:02:34 GMT

In article <Bxs50L.CGw@nic.umass.edu> cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett) writes:
>In article <BxqtxD.2HB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>>Hi, y'all, i was just wondering what you think the best death metal groups in
>>the world are.  A lot of it is kinda crappy if you ask me, and a lot of it
>>seems to be image (Deicide, etc.), but some if it is pretty cool.  I kind of
>>like Entombed and Morbid Angel so far, but am looking for more.  I have
>>dabbled in Bolt Thrower and was impressed somewhat.  So any opinions would be
>>appreciated..thanks :)
>>
>>						Dave
>
>Granted, most death metal bands today seem to be photocopies of the originators
>of the music style, but there are some talented ones around:
>
>Death (the original death band, IMHO (yes, I know about Celtic Frost/Hhmmr)

Original Death band? I know they had some early demos out and around years
before they got an album, but I can think of a lot of bands that predate
them. Probably the best would be Destruction. not to mention Sodom. <Who I 
like>

>Kreator (very, very fast death)
>Sepultura (also very, very fast.  To quote a friend: "I thought Slayer was
>fast, then I heard Sepultura!")
>
>While I feel that Kreator and Sepultura are not as amazing they have been,
>Death has certainly gone uphill in recent years.  I feel that Spiritual
>Healing was infinitely better than Scream and Leprosy, and Human is simply
>amazing (Don't flame me.  I understand that many people feel that Leprosy
>is Death's best, but I do not.)  If you are tired of typical death metal,
>I definitely suggest Human.  Some of the songs are actually _happy_ music,
>such as "Cosmic Sea" and "See Through Dreams".
>
>-Chuck

Death has stayed remarkably consistent and high-quality. They were fantastic
live too <as long as Chuck S. is with them, anyway>

And please remember that thrash started as extreme punk/hardcore, so 
all of these bands pretty much had precursors in the punk world. Ever hear
Battallion Of Saints?

					--Judex--
From: slt22@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: OverKill
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:56:04 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

     Anyone hear about OverKill and their new album?  I know it might
be a bit early to ask this but I am eager for info. because OverKill
rules my stereo system.  I can't wait until the new one is released.
Fellow OverKill fans that have info., I would appreciate a response!
                                         Thanks, 
                                          Jerrel
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From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:59:20 GMT

Speaking of doom/death metal (whatever) I just picked up a new cd
by a group called Comecon called Megatrends in Brutality. It has
a very Napalm Death-y kind of sound, except maybe not quite as
slamming. Anyone heard anything about them? The cd has promotional
written on it so it may not be a commercial release.

Hiz Lord Dementia
-- 
"You can't help that. We're all mad here."-The cheshire cat, Alice in WL

"A mass hysteria/a megalomania/reveal Dementia/reveal"-Metallica                
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From: malonesp@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Sean P. Maloney)
Subject: metallica bootleg
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:29:30 GMT
From: ainsi@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Robert Bristol)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: This Music-type casting argument
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:41:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Not like a particularly subscribe the school which feels a need for 
a division between musical types I will add my two cents to this argument:

	Pop Metal:  Van Halen, Queensryche (I love 'em, but they go here if at 
	            all), Poison, etc.
	Heavy Metal: WASP, Metallica, Megadeth, etc. Anything on the radio
	             a lot but faster than the crotchrock bands.
	Speed Metal: Anthrax, Slayer, etc.  Fast, fast, but with a lot of bass 
	   	     and other low, deep notes/tones/etc.
	Doom Metal: Don't really know what I've listened to that'd go here 
		    (except Vengence Rising). Reall low (bass), sloooow tempo,
		    etc.  That type of stuff.
	Death Metal: Sepultura, Believer, Entombed, stuff like that. Fast like
		     speed metal, but the singer I think defines this group.
	             They don't try to sing, but rather growl the words.  This
		     also count groups which alter the tempo of their songs and
		     opt for a series of heavy notes.  Speed metal stays pretty
		     constantly fast.
	Grindcore:  This is usually a mess.  just a lot of deep noise and music
		    doing damn near anything.  I don't know what bands, but I
		    have heard it.  Nocturnus and bolt thower ARE NOT part of
		    this group.
	Thrash:  I define this as the type of music where the drum beats get
	         ahead of the rest of it,  like the music is always trying to 
		 catch up with the percussion.  It usually is as fast as Death
		 or Speed metal but there is almost NO BASS.  Real tinny sound.

	That's my two cents.  I don't subscribe by this, but I feel it is 
	useful when trying to give someone else and idea of a bands sound.
	That's the only time I think it should be used.
	NOT to ridicule someone for their taste.  Wait 'till you heard the
	band before doing that.  But when you do, and you still hate it,
	Hell, flame 'em all you want.  Opinions count.  
	I guess this means I can be held responsible for my choices about.
	
	OK.  Go at it!!!

	-Later

 
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From: d90-two@czarny.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: The Gathering (Re: Death Metal (or whatever) suggestions...)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.175249.5799@leland.Stanford.EDU> rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler) writes:
[...]
>
>By the way, anyone know anything about The Gathering (like what country
>their from, when Always is expected to come out if it hasn't already,
>where Foundation 2000 is based, etc.)?
>
They are Dutch and so is Foundation 2000. "Always" is out but I wish you
good luck in finding it... I haven't.

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From: d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:08:03 GMT

In article <1e71nvINNrr9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>
>
>
>Death metal sucks.  Before you fill my hardisk with text files, though:
>What do you call death metal?  My record club classifies U2 as hard
>rock!  If you are interested in a good _grindcore_ band, Sepultura IMHO
>is as good as they come.  Tight arrangements, good dynamics, good fast
>songs, understandable lyrics (with some study of the lyric sheet... Max
>Cavalera sounds better than Napalm Death, and Sepultura is Brazilian!)
>and good lyrics.
Sepultura _Grindcore_!? You won't find many people supporting that
classification... Some call them them Thrash, some Death, IMO they play
something in between... Going from primitive Death on the early albums
to really fast and brutal Thrash on the later ones.

  True death metal, like Obituary, Carcass, and Napalm 
>Death are whiplash fast, boring, not at all innovative, and are stuck
>with different ways to say "Eating rotting intestines is fun", usually
>by consulting a medical dictionary and a thesaurus.
Obituary whiplash fast? They have never been extremely fast and the latest
albums is almost too slow...
The medical dictionary is for Carcass, but if "Necrotisism..." isn't
innovative then what is?
Napalm Death doesn't play Death Metal, _they_ play Grindcore. If you can
find any corpse consuming in their lyrics, then please tell me where.

  The band Death is
>not too bad, though, because they do innovate somewhat.  Kreator is 
>a generic thrash band, not at all death, with songs about oppressive
>society (yawn) and child abuse (Bringer of Torture).  I think that they
>are boring.  
>
I almost agree with you here, but I do like some of Kreator's early stuff.

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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Ministry/Buttholes @ Lollapalooza (WAS Re: Ministry in Amsterdam)
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:01:21 GMT

In article <BxGrLv.AIK@nic.umass.edu>, Chuck Hazlett writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.215123.29378@fwi.uva.nl> heederik@fwi.uva.nl (Robbert
>Heed:
>>Last friday, Ministry and Helmet played in the Paradiso in Amsterdam, The
>>Netherlands. The place was totally sold out and people were offering 100

>"Jesus..." wasn't played because Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This part's right.  Gibby, most likely, is not on Euro tour w/Ministry.

>was the vocalist during the recordings _and_ live on the Lollapalooza
>tour (since the Surfers were also on the L. tour).  I imagine that
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, I'm not so sure about.  Were you in a time warp?  The Buttholes
played at the *first* Lollapalooza (second band on, after Rollins and
before Ice-T).  Minstry played on the *second* Lollapalooza tour (next
to last on, before RHCP).

Or, did Gibby show up to do the vox for the song where you saw
Lollapalooza?  (I saw the first show of the tour, at Shoreline in
Mountain View, CA, and they simply blew off "Jesus...".)

>he's not going to follow Ministry around just so that they can play
>"Jesus..." on tour.

I'd assume you're correct here.

What gives?  Did the Buttholes play on the side stage at Lollapalooza
'92 when you saw them?  They didn't here.

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================

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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Organization: The Shell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:22:21 GMT

I suppose I should add Mortification to the list. 
Their first album was great and the their second "Scrolls of the
Megolith" is even better.

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From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: BRUCE'S VOICE
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:24:34 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


 
> 	They seem to have grown up a bit, and IMHO, this is not a good thing.
> Gone are the fantasy and horror images of Children of the Damned, Murders in
> the Rue Morgue, Number of the Beast, Still Life, Hallowed Be Thy Name, etc., 
> replaced by "socially-conscious" lyrix.  I think 
> they were much better when their messages were buried in the context of the
> "story" as in Revelations and Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
> 
> 					OH Well, Whatever, Wherever You Are,
> 							Raythrax
It seems indiputable that Maiden has obviously lost their lyric writting 
creativity. There is no way anthing from NPFTD or Fear of the Dark can lyricaly
compare with anything before them, but I think that Fear is a marked
improvement from No Prayer. It seems to me that No Prayer is by far the worst
album Maiden has ever made (maybe even worse than Tatooed Millionaire), but I
think this may be a result of Adrians departure and Bruce's forementioned
solo escapade. There are back on the right track with Fear of the Dark
extinguishing thoughts of many in the metal world that Maiden was (gasp)
"dead". Apparently (but hopefully not) the old mystic and historical lyrics are
gone forever but Iron Maiden lives on. Let's face it how could they improve on
songs like Moonchild, To Tame a Land and of course the Ancient Mariner. Also,
let's give a little credit, Fear of the Dark(the song) and The Fugitive does 
kinda have the old Maidenish type lyrics.
							Up the Irons,
								Brian
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: RE:Tool
Date: 23 Nov 1992 04:44:56 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Yea..I think they were on the Rollins tour for a while...

If anyone knows anything else about these guys (Tool that is.) please 
let me know..


Thanx.
Later.
-justin
From: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: sepultra earlier stuf
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:29:10 EST
Reply-To: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

I've been listening to Sepultra (ARISE, and Beneath the Remains) for a
few weeks.  I first bought ARISE, and thought it was *great*!   Then I
bought Beneath... and it was *awesome*!  Could people Email me some info
about all their albulms.  Like a list and comments about style for the
albulm what is good/trash (is it possible?).  I'll Follow-Up here after
I get enough info.

I really want to see them (I live in Boston, MA) but the show is
somewhere is western Ma.

How about information about POLTERGEIST?  The only Cd I can find is
Behind My Mask.  Anybody have any info about any of their other stuff.
is it any good?

  Thanx!
-jeff
jeff.ruck@channel1.com
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Thought Industry (was classification stuff)
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:27:48 GMT

Speaking of hard-to-categorize groups:
Has anyone out there heard of these guys?  They're sort of a jazzy 
progressive thrashy thing, I guess.  Whatever they are, they're pretty
cool.  Mostly progressive, tho' (if a gun were put to my head and I had
to categorize).  And on the off chance that anyone's heard of them, does
anyone have any info about them?

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From: v096pz6l@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (HAVE YOU HAD YOUR SPAM TODAY?)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Battle Zone
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.033008.12788@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes...
>I just found out that Paul Di'anno's band Battlezone (before they changed their
>name, or rather, extended it, to Paul DI'anno's Battlezone but otherwise same
>members) released an album called, wow, BATTLEZONE, I guess also on Shatter 
>Records. Can anyone tell me of the availablility of this album? I hear it's 
>just as killer (bad pun, sorry) as CHILDREN OF MADNESS and MURDER ONE. Aside 
>from LIVE PLUS ONE (a 1980? Iron Maiden EP released in Japan) it's the only
>Paul Di'anno recording to my knowledge that I don't have.
    The Battle Zone album is very hard to find(I got mine when it came out
 and haven't seen it since.) I do like the album more than Children of
 Madness or Killer's Murder One.I could give you more info on it
 tomorrow since it is at home and at the moment I am not.
 Oh yeah! There was a Dianno album out back in 86 or 87 called 
 Paul Dianno.The cover just showed Paul and for other denim clad
 men standing in the middle of the street.I remember that it had a cover
 of Phantom of the Opera. I have not seen this album since early 88.
 I decided to buy it and it was gone forever.
                                          Mandrake 
>philip
>Philip Wang
>E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
>"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
>While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
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