HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: AppleShare 3.0 & ARA on same machine?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:48:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Saeedi@cup.portal.com (Steven J Saeedi) writes:

>I need to know if AppleShare 3.0 and AppleTalk Remote Access are
>compatible with each other on the same physical machine.

They are. They even coexist nicely.

>I would like to know how this would be performed from AppleShare 3.0.

The AShare 3 Admin app will let you add dial-in specific information in the
same window that you enter "standard" user account information.

>Please share your experiences with me and whether I would have to dedicate
>another Mac to be the ARA gateway or go with the LandRover/L product from
>Shiva.

It's up to you, really. I had ARA running on an AShare 3 server until I got
a LanRover; the main reason I switched over was because that particular
server needs every little bit of CPU horsepower.

__________________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi            puzzle-piece together-putter            MacUser
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: return receipt
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.224043.26071@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:

>>I would like a return receipt to mean "your message has been seen by
>>the user", kind of like a certified US Mail letter.

>One correction.  The postal return receipt does not mean this at all.
>The postal return receipt means that the user has NOT seen the letter,
>but has signed a receipt under coercion, knowing that he will never see
>the letter unless he first signs that statement pretending that he has
>seen it.

What it means to the sender is that the recipient can't claim not to
have known about it and/or that you don't have to call him up to check.

If you don't use email for anything important I suppose it doesn't
matter, but if you send something like a notice that a meeting has
been changed to a different city it is real nice to know which of
the recipients haven't checked their mailboxes so you can track them
down before they end up on the wrong side of the country.

The AT&T PMX-mailers allow the sender to request a receipt notice and
it can be specified or not per recipient.  The UA's that run on-line
(PMX-term) and networked (PMX-Starmail) generate the receipt when
the message is actually displayed on the screen and will generate
a rejection notice if the message is deleted without viewing it.
The off-line UA (Access Plus is a PC program with background dial-up)
has a companion program on the unix side that generates the receipt
as the transfer is completed.  The wording of the receipt message indicates
which function has happened (a user may alternate access to the same mailbox
with the different programs).  The request is put on the To: or Cc: line
like:
To: someone /receipt 
and this is copied into an escaped line like:
>To: someone /receipt
which usually makes it past the header-mungers.  The down side is that
messages to multiple recipients are always copied and sent individually
so the appropriate To: line can be duplicated (actually the UA's are dumb
and copy even when they don't have to).

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: Re: Hermes 2.0 -- where's the support?!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:26:02 EDT

nick@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Nicholas Brooker) writes:

> [  rantings and ravings about Hermes support  ]
> 
> I've had similar, but not so nasty, experience.
> 
> It's a wee bit expensive to call the support board from way down here,
> so I looked up Frank Price's CIS number and asked him for our serial number
> on there.  He responds with a message saying we don't do support or numbers
> via CIS because it costs us money.  My gripe is two pronged.  Why didn't he
> include the serial number and then say that all.  Also we'vew just shelled ou
> $75, sure a few second on CIS isn't going to eat all that.
> 
> Someone said Frank Price was a good programmer, but a bad salesman.  My
> opinion is that Hermes should have been released (as in version 1) until the
> current v 2.0.  Even this needs work.

1) Frank's online support is a DISGRACE! There was a Hermes SIG on AOL. It 
was closed, much to the ANGER of several DOZEN sysops, because Frank would 
never even visit it, and AOL had to spend to much time maintaining it.

2) Any mail, including most of the mail even on his own support board, is 
answered with a form letter, and almost NEVER answers the question you 
asked.

3) Hermes 2.0 needs work?!?!?! Heck, that thing shouldn't even be an ALPHA 
version!!! I have YET to find ONE BBS run under it. There are NO stable 
copies, and yet he IS TAKING MONEY for this POS!!!


---
The opinions I express are rarely my own, because my own are far too
outragous to post here.

IntNet:zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com    FutureNet: #33@#10
The Metropolis (614)-846-1911
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From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Eudora 1.3b46 bug?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:43:29 -0500

clarke.stevens@gtri.gatech.edu (Clarke Stevens) writes:

  > "Sorry - the serial port selected is in use and is not available."
  > 
  > There is also a Comm Toolbox Icon with a little satellite dish in the
  > message box.  This only happens after I gotten mail once with Eudora.
  > Eudora will always get the mail the first time I try regardless of any
  > serial port software I may previously have run.
 
  Hold down the <option> key, and you will be able to override the 
recalcitrant tool.


Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:8318 comp.mail.misc:2778
From: sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: return receipt
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:30:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcomm.1992Aug26.133055.12927
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
>I'm seeking an assurance from those building and designing mail
>interfaces that they remember that not everyone has bandwidth to burn.

My MUA works acceptably on a 1200 baud modem, and I intend to keep it
that way.  So I doubt you have anything to fear from me.  Though I
do wonder exactly how it is that you feel justified in demanding
assurances; TANSTAAFL, you know. :-)

>today and we shifted around 4800 messages in the last 24 hours. If
>each causes the return of the two tier acknowledgement and say each
>return message is 512 bytes that's 512 * 2 * 4800 ~= 4.8 Mbytes a day.

You're not going to get a return receipt on every message.
-- 
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Yes, I'm still working on Eudora and it's still free.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: return receipt
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:04:25 GMT

In article <BtIxG2.v5@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
>
>Suppose I have a program, such as 'procmail', 'filter' or 'mhook' etc., which
>files away my mail into folders or discards messages from certain users and so
>on. Should that send the READ receipt?

I consider email to be an attempt at automating human communication.  The
idea being to save time, not to dehumanize the process.  Programs that
automatically handle email should generate the requested receipt noting
the action they have taken if it is not going to be eventually seen by
a person.  In particular a message that is automatically discarded should
be noted as rejected if a receipt is requested.

>If I use a POP client to retrieve my
>messages from a server, does that constitute 'reading'?

No, but if the POP client is unlikely to be able to send a reply in
a timely fashion (e.g. a dial-up link that is not established on
demand), the transfering program should probably generate a receipt
noting that the message had been moved to a remote mailbox.

>If I click a mouse
>button over a message displayed in 'xmh', have I 'read' it? I may have my mail
>forwarded to someone else, if they read a message have I read it?

The receipt should note the real user name of the person reading the message.
This is necessary in any case since it may be addressed to a group alias.

>I don't want my privacy invaded by *my* mail user agent. The only agent that can
>say that I've "read" a message is me and I do that by replying. If I don't care
>to acknowledge receipt of your message that's my affair.

Do you also enjoy picking up phones and silently listening while the person
at the other end wonders if anyone is there?   

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Source for Quadra to Thicknet Ethernet Transceiver Cable
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:35:27 GMT

peralta@noao.edu (Michael Peralta) writes:
>Is there an adaptor cable that goes from the Quadra ethernet port directly 
>to a AUI type DB15 connector?

You mean, like a thicknet transceiver?

Apple chose to call their 15-pin network interface AUI (Apple Universal
Interface, I think the acronymn is), even thought the 15 pin "AUI"
thicknet connector has been around for more than a decade, and Apple's
"AUI" is entirely different.

"Wen I use a word, it means what I choose it to mean; neither more
nor less."  - Apple Marketing (and the walrus, but in the spirit of
things, how much does that matter?)

> MacWarehouse told me I needed two different
>adapter cables totalling $178.00. For that much I can buy an Ethernet card.
>There has got to be an easier way.  

Sorry, nobody gives a darn about thicknet or transceivers anymore.  I
suspect MacWharehouse is in the ballpark.
-- 
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Yes, I'm still working on Eudora and it's still free.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:8496 comp.os.vms:14312 comp.mail.misc:2849
From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.vms,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Reading VMS Mail from Macintosh
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 15:30:10 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <2709201@aplvax.msfc.nasa.gov> (comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.vms,comp.mail.misc), Jeff E Mandel <mandel@tmc.tulane.edu> writes:
> 
> Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-1775]: mandel.anes.tulane.edu
> Message-ID: <1992Aug28.222920.9844@cs.tulane.edu>
> X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C412ECCF013009@mandel.anes.tulane.edu>
> X-Xxdate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:29:16 GMT
> Sender: news@cs.tulane.edu
> Organization: Tulane University School of Medicine
> X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
> References: <2223@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:29:20 GMT
> Lines: 18
> 
> In article <2223@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> Ramon J. Hontanon,
> hontanon@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu writes:
> >Does anybody know of a Mac application that will let me read/send mail
> >from/to my VAX/VMS account?
> 
> The cheapest solution is to get IUPOP3 from logos.ucs.indiana.edu and
> Eudora (multiple archives, including Sumex-aim). IUPOP3 runs under a
> number of TCP/IP packages, including UCX. If you use a foreign mail
> transport mechanism to get Internet mail to the VAX, you'll probably want
> to hack the code that rewrites From: lines to make incoming mail
> repliable. In any event, you'll need a C compiler.
> 
> Jeff E Mandel MD MS
> Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
> Tulane University School of Medicine
> New Orleans, LA
> 
> mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu
> 

I'm using uAccess on the Mac available from ICE Engineering.  You
can send e-mail to time@ice.com and get info about it.  If I remember
correctly you can also send e-mail to info@ice.com and get a blurb
on uAccess.  It does mail & news both.

Hope this helps!

David
From: benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: FidoNet on the Mac
Date: 29 Aug 1992 21:19:17 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu


Can someone please tell me what software exists to allow a Mac to
-- 

Kent Richards                         "Practice random acts of kindness
benkei@cs.utexas.edu                   and senseless beauty"
From: tlod_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thede "Bo" Loder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: launch break
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:43:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Where can I get the latest version of LaunchBreak?  We would like
to try it out on our server.  We currently have 1.05.  Is that the newest?

Please respond via e-mail to tlod_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

-Thede Loder
Mac/UNIX student consultant
University of Rochester Computing Center
From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: WARNING !!!
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:36:25 -0500

obi@gumby.ocs.com (Kuryan "Obi" Thomas) writes:

  > In article <1992Aug28.200806.25101@ccu.umanitoba.ca>,
  > ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson) writes:
  > 
  >> I think what CIBC has done is really sh***y, you might also write to the
  >> President of the bank complaining about it. And take your credit card
  >> business elsewhere.
  >
  > I agree. Being a small bank is no excuse (if in fact CIBC is a small
  > bank). 

   Note: CIBC is an abbreviation for the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, 
a fairly large bank -- $75-odd billion in assets -- maybe in the top 20 in 
North America.

   CIBC has about 1200 branches in Canada and has operations on 3 
continents.  It's certainly not "small" by US stamdards.
From: mullane@tecsun1.etl.army.mil (Kevin Mullane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Disappearing Printer?
Summary: Question: Printer Disappears
Keywords: Appletalk, Laserwriter
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:33:10 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center, Ft. Belvoir, VA.

We want to add an Apple Laserwriter to our AppleTalk net - just plug it in
right?  First I checked it out with an isolated Mac.  Fine.  When I put the
Mac and LW back on the AT net, however the LW DISAPPEARS from the chooser menu
while the other two printers on the net APPEAR in the chooser menu.  But if
I isolate the Mac and LW, the LW reappears in the chooser menu.

We have approx 15 Macintoshes and two (hopefully three) Apple LaserWriters on
an AppleTalk net.  

Has anyone else experienced this?  FAQ?

Kevin Mullane at the U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center, Bldg. 2592
Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-5546   TEL:(703)355-2792   NET: mullane@tec.army.mil


-- 
Kevin Mullane at the U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center, Bldg. 2592
Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-5546   TEL:(703)355-2792   NET: mullane@tec.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Re: Does anyboy have a powerbook running macTCP??
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:04:23 GMT

Yes, it is possible (I am running via AppleTalk Remote Access at 2400 baud
to my Mac at work... This is then connected to an ethernet network which has
a Webster MultiGate on it)

The trick is you MUST have a router which coverts MacIP packets to real IP
packets.. IP Cannot run down LocalTalk without encapsulation...

There are many products which will do this work for you.. The simplest of
which (to my knowledge) is PCRoute (are you running this ?).. You can
also buy a number of the dedicated LocalTalk/EtherTalk routers such as
mentioned above and in other articels in this thread..

The only other way of doing this is to get your PB on EtherNet via a
SCSI/Serial Ethernet adapter (wouln't it be nice if some bright spark
could make an ethernet card to go internal - in the modem space or
something...)

Hope this is useful...


Ken
-- 
 Ken Taylor              |  "I have a friend who's seen inside my tiny brain
 ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au  |   He's seen the aging and the mildew from the rain
 Curtin University       |   And he does what he can to keep on top of every
 Perth, W. Australia     |     one of them"     - Happy Rhodes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rankin@ms.uky.edu (David W. Rankin Jr.)
Subject: Re: Mailing-lists list, where ?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:22:35 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <13870@chalmers.se> roma@pe.chalmers.se (Robert Maglica) writes:
>Hi Guys,
>Where can I find a list of active mailing-lists ?
A group named "news.answers" has a FAQ on it about that, in addition to every
other major FAQ now active. Good place to look for interesting stuff. :)
>
>/Robert Maglica
>

David W. Rankin, Jr.,  Mac Archiver for f.ms.uky.edu   Yorick on IRC
rankin@ms.uky.edu  rankin@ukma.BITNET rankin@ukma.UUCP uunet!ukma!rankin
Alternate addresses: rankin@ms.uky.edu  djrank00@aix3090b.uky.edu
---<Insert standard "These are my thoughts, and only mine." disclaimer here>---
"Now all has been heard;/ Here is the conclusion of the matter:/ Fear God and
keep his commandments,/ for this is the whole duty of man."
    "The Teacher", Ecclesiastes 12:13 (NIV)
From: jeroen@phil.ruu.nl (Jeroen Scheerder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher over 9600 bps ARA link
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:39:07 GMT
Reply-To: Jeroen.Scheerder@phil.ruu.nl
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian) writes:

[...]

>Is there some reason why getting the full group list sub-protocol is
>such a weak link in operation when the NNTP connection is slow?

Full group lists are _BIG_, that's why. And it's not only the group names that
get transmitted.
Newswatcher is pretty efficient in 'downloading' this list: it really is
the amount of data.

Dialing in with a 9600 bps modem, datacompression on, it takes me 20 minutes to
download the lot (as a regular zmodem download). Newswatcher gets it in about
the same time (well, a little more... but hey, there _is_ a little ARA overhead
etc).

My ethernet IIsi gets the stuff in 4 seconds :-).

Nothing to do about it - unless modifying NW not to get full group lists and
handle article ranges/newsgroup selection etc. etc. etc. differently for
dialup operation. Not too elegant :-(.
From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: taniwha
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:23:47 GMT
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

In article <15515.2A90323B@zeus.ieee.org> Ray.Arachelian@f204.n2603.z1.ieee.org (Ray Arachelian) writes:
> I recently saw a file entry on the rascal ftp site in the mac/comm directory
> about a BBS development kit called taniwha.  
>
> If anyone knows where this file might be located, I'd greatly appreciate it.
> Thank you.
>
> Ray Arachelian - Internet: Ray.Arachelian@f204.n2603.z1.ieee.org

Archie says:
Host ftp.uu.net   (137.39.1.9)
Last updated 04:02 16 Aug 1992

    Location: /published/usenix/faces
      DIRECTORY rwxr-xr-x       512  Jul 31 01:00   taniwha.uucp

Host nic.funet.fi   (128.214.6.100)
Last updated 01:56 23 Aug 1992

    Location: /pub/mac/comm
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    168759  Jun  7 18:56   taniwhabbs060.sit

Host garbo.uwasa.fi   (128.214.87.1)
Last updated 04:37 16 Aug 1992

    Location: /mac/comm
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    168759  Oct 12  1990   taniwhabbs060.sit


-- 
--Darrah Chavey                  Department of Math & Computer Science
  chavey@beloit.edu              Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Subject: RE: Re: Hermes 2.0 -- where's the support?!
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:29:59 GMT

I was chatting with a fellow sysop from California last night.  He and I are
both Hermes sysops.  We're both looking at the FirstClass BBS (GUI) software.

I've been on the FirstClass support BBS, and was impressed by the thorough,
technical responses of the support folks there.  My friend told me that it's
actually a company, with several programmers working on the product.  He also
mentioned that a Windows version of FirstClass is coming out late this year. 
That was my only big reluctance to getting it (besides the $250 price tag) - I 
didn't want to lose by IBM callers.

FirstClass has integrated InterNet, Fax, and FC <-> FC gateways, with FidoNet
as an external (via Tabby) for now, though that is due to be added in soon
too.

This sounds like the software to have, if you're really into BBSing.


--  
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 Glen Stewart - Internet: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org
From: gaylord@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard J. Gaylord)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: RE: 14.4k modem
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:12:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois
X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 05:14:00 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6CCA118D9029B12@mm-mac18.mse.uiuc.edu>

RE: 14.4k modem

this advice is ridiculous. 

unless you have had specific problems with the zoom or the supra or the
other 'new' boys in the neighborhood, there is no reason to scare people
off from these products. the lower prices are a result of the new chip
set, not due to an inferior product.

the zoom VFX modem which i've been using since June 1 is a very good
product. i have had zero problems with it and i use it with SLIP. the
only thing i can't comment on is its fax abilities since i don't use
them.  it has a very good price (about $299) in the mail order stores.

there's no reason to buy a good product at a high price then you can buy
an equally good product at a lower price and spend the difference on
something else.
From: horen@medusa.bioc.aecom.yu.edu (Ben Horenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: mac-sgi modem communication
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:00:02 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein Coll of Medicine
Originator: horen@medusa

I could use some advice on ways to improve file transfer speed between
the mac at home and the sgi in the lab.  I use a 2400 baud modem and
kermit.  It is so slow I can scream.... Are their ways to get a mac to ftp, 
 or are there other approaches?  I realize that things won't blaze with
 the modem I'm using, but how much better could I do?  I would be very
thankful if anyone could make a suggestion! 

Ben Horenstein
From: b1y1m39@kato.bell-atl.com (Bob Esposito)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: TechMail
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:40:45 GMT
Organization: Bell Atlantic Corp.
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C388FA7E017C49@batmac24a.bell-atl.com>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:40:42 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

Does anyone know where I can find this?  I saw mention of it in this
week's MacWeek.  I'd like to give it a try.
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Bell Atlantic Corp.                                                      
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