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From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "Dear Phil..."--was Re: Peter Wung can read?  You be the judge!
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:25:48 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1jke4kINN6f9@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
...
>You speak about how American Caucasians don't have a day set up for
>their own heroes.
...
>Best wishes."
>
>-M. Aurelius Insularum

Thanks for posting this article.  I appreciate your efforts at encouraging
dialogue rather than confrontation.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:54:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.192957.29627@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu
Ayala) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.051616.16595@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>Yes, in Japan, there _is_ a Children's day; it is a day when parents
>>celebrate the health and well-being of their children.
>  April 4th is Children's Day in China too.

I find this hard to believe.  Is Ms. Ayala referring to the People's Republic
of China?  I don't believe that country has such a day.

However, if Ms. Ayala is referring to Taiwan, then note that Taiwan is
part of the PRC and that Taiwan was fortunate enough to have been occupied
by the Japanese for 40+ years, thereby receiving many Japanese cultural 
influences including Children's day.

>  Which date is it in Japan?

I'll have the answer tonight.

>>
>>By contrast, there is another country in Asia, where the parents do _not_
>>celebrate Children's Day because there is _no_ such day.  In fact,
>>historically, some of those parents either killed or _ate_ their children.
>>When they are lucky enough not to be killed or eaten, they are treated
>>as one would treat an oxen.

Have a nice day!

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From: kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:13:09 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1993Jan26.155530.27856@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> crawford,
valor@donner.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>> So what's the deal?  Yeah, we've got Lincolns birthday, and Washingtons
>> birthday, but no one celebrates those.  Schools aren't closed (at least
>> most!), most businesses aren't closed, etc...  What's the story here?
>> I mean we certainly have plenty of caucasion americans to "celebrate."
>> Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, etc...  But we don't
>> none of them have their own celebrated/nationally recognized holiday?
>
>I don't want to put any of the above mentioned down, but you're seeing
>only what the society wants you to see. Maybe the fact that we no longer
>celebrate certain holidays shows the changes in our society.  I mean,
>sure MLK didn't cite several sources, but the character of the people
>you mentioned above shows just how much greater his achievements were.
>Lincoln was a racist homosexual; Jefferson was a racist slave rapist;
               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You seek to "put down" someone who you claim to be a recist by also calling
him an homosexual.  Seems like you have some ignorance/intolerance/prejudice/hate
yourselves.  

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|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:17:32 GMT

In article <C19xwH.CKM@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!

     Thanks.  Hope you all enjoyed yours too.  I celebrated in the traditional
Chinese way - I ate a few passersby.  :-)  :-)

							George


-- 
----
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Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: My last word on ..."You be the Judge!"
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:44:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Think the bottom line to this whole thing isn't really "one
group getting the attention" but rather "another group not 
getting (or perceived not getting) that same attention".
 'nuf said.

So, if we extrapolate on this "If [group here] has a holiday,
shouldn't [another group]?"   WHY NOT?  It'd just mean that
practically 500 days a year will be some sorta holiday...and
I'm totally for it!  >:)

Think the question I want to ask is:
What _are_ holidays suppose to symbolize, leonize, commemorate?
Shouldn't it be those intangible ideals? those irreplacable 
memories? those important moments in time where something special
happens?  
If so, I think most holidays serve exactly those purposes, and
nothing more.  However, there are many great people all around.
The people who should really be complaining is the Science Community!
I don't see "Einstein Day" or "Newton Day"... and Mole Day isn't even
celebrated by most people!   (Earth Day?  That's now more of a political
issue than an environmental one. >:)

You be the judge `-)
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"Reality isn't always what you see but what you perceive."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:45:33 GMT


   Based solely on physical looks (which is a horrible way to judge a woman),
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   the actress who played the wife on ST:Deep Space 9 is a babe!
--------------------------

	That is one of the way NOT sole. 

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V. Agarwal
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: Re: My last word on ..."You be the Judge!"
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:27:27 GMT

The title of original thread (that caused all the commotion):
  "Caucasian Whimps?  You be the judge!"

True.  The title implies Phil's intentions:
'Evaluation of caucasian' 
AND
his mention of MLK is meant to be:
To find caucasian IN COMPARISON TO/WITH MLK.

Case of misunderstanding. AGAIN.

-Marida
 "Eliminate the core (or kernel) of the problem
  then the shell(s) (whatever color/type) shall go 
  down with it"
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: My last word on ..."You be the Judge!"
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:29:21 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.13.76

In article <1993Jan21.071546.19447@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>
>I am growing quite tiresome of the insult trading, so this will be my
>last post concerning the topic of MLK's Holiday.
>

Funny for you to complain since you're the one who started name-calling..

(rest deleted)

>ps. Much gratitude to those who responded in disagreement with me but attempted
>    to substantiate their claims with specific examples rather than some
>    totally irrational outburst.  It gave me renewed hope that this newsgropu
>    can be a forum for the exchange of ideas and the intelligent discourse
>    that SOMETIMES accompanies them.

Ha, ha... this is great.  He posts an irrational rant the likes of which
I haven't seen for many months, and then lectures to the crowd about
"irrational outbursts".  This belongs on "Bloom County" ....

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:19:35 GMT

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
|As for the disparity between racial makeup of UC Regents and undergraduates,
|discrimination is not the only issue.  First of all, in all likelihood someone
|who gets selected for becoming a regent is an older person with lots of 
|professional and life-experience.

Perhaps the main qualification is to be a crony of the governor?

|                                   For that generation, the population of 
|minorities by percentage was in fact much smaller.

Not very true.  It would be closer to the truth to state that
non-white people of that generation had fewer opportunities to
gain whatever qualifications are needed (either real ones like
education and professional experience, or political cronyism
connections).

A similar observation can be made about faculty -- today's
faculty are likely to resemble the students of 20 years ago.

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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What the heck does "Acting White" mean??!
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:26:36 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1857@rwja.umdnj.edu>, jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
|> C'mon all this blah, blah, blah, on how "acting white" is improper
|> for a non caucasian is suspiciously racist.
|> (It's beginning to sound like Dwight Joe stuff, on how the 
|>  "evil white man" is the source of all our problems, bull caca.)
|> 
|> What does "acting white" mean?  and  why is that so bad?
|> 
|> does it mean "acting white mainstream america?"
|> It certainly doesn't seem to apply to European caucasians.
|> 
|> ...and it seems silly if it means "acting racially caucasian"
|> 
|> I'd guess it is a backlash of built up anger against certain 
|> caucasian perpetrators of racism, and the prevalence of ignorance
|> of other minorities & ethnicities including outright demeaning 
|> stereotyping in INSTITUTIONS like the movie & television 
|> industries.
|> 
|> Racism starts when you misplace your anger, and hate a group or 
|> race instead of the individual who pissed you off in the first place.

The only way it bothers me is if one "ACTS" white, ie. they are
consciously trying to behave like a Euro-American.  Have you ever
seen a Filipino or a Euro-American act black?  I have.  It just
does not look right.  I do not mean someone who was raised around
blacks and their speech and mannerisms reflected that fact.  I mean
someone who was not raised in that culture but thinks it is cool and
tries to emulate that behavior.  I am sure it especially turns the
stomachs of African-Americans.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Defining "White" Culture
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:36:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: RAND

These sorts of generalizations do more harm than good.  I find it sad
that a mental-health professional would enumerate such stereotypes and
presume to think he is thereby improving the lot of humanity.  I suspect
he has a similar checklist for "Asian" culture which similarly slights
the phenomenal diversity among peoples from that continent.

"Understanding" is not the same as "pigeon-holing."  People are not the
statistical means of their origins and influences.  The most egregeous
sins of "social scientists" have been done in an effort to justify the
second half of that term.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org

P.S. Judging by this checklist, I'm about 60% white.  No, I'm not upset
over such a low score...  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Defining "White" Culture
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:34:26 GMT

In article <4264@randvax.rand.org> edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
>These sorts of generalizations do more harm than good.  I find it sad
>that a mental-health professional would enumerate such stereotypes and
>presume to think he is thereby improving the lot of humanity.  I suspect
>he has a similar checklist for "Asian" culture which similarly slights
>the phenomenal diversity among peoples from that continent.
>
>"Understanding" is not the same as "pigeon-holing."  People are not the
>statistical means of their origins and influences.  The most egregeous
>sins of "social scientists" have been done in an effort to justify the
>second half of that term.
>
>		-Ed Hall
>		edhall@rand.org
>
>P.S. Judging by this checklist, I'm about 60% white.  No, I'm not upset
>over such a low score...  :-)

  I got into a discussion with an Iranian friend about "culture".
  She kept asking me whether my parents raised me in a Chinese
  culture.  I said that I didn't know because I can't pinpoint anything
  that was specifically Chinese.  She said, that since they were strict
  and didn't let me go out with my friends that they were imparting
  Chinese culture.  But I pointed out that this is a trait that
  some parents exhibit from other cultures, so it is not necessarily
  a Chinese thing.  She was surprised at how little I knew about
  Chinese culture, how I don't use chopsticks, don't celebrate Chinese
  New Years (I didn't even know it was this past Saturday), don't
  know any Confucian anelects by heart, etc.

  What I'm trying to say is that individual variation inside a
  cultural group is probably greater than the mean of variation
  between groups.  So you can get strict Chinese parents that
  are further apart in terms of behavior than lenient Chinese
  parents, and are closer to strict Jewish parents, for example.
  The thing is that if an average American, (meaning non hyphenated)
  has overprotective parents, he'll just say, "Oh my parents are
  overprotective."  But if it's someone that is from a discernable
  ethnic group, people will say, "Oh it's in their culture." if
  it fits the stereotype, or "Gee, they certainly don't go by
  their culture." if it doesn't fit the stereotype.

  Examples:

  Joe Smith's parents want him to study hard --> Joe has parents who value education.
  Joe Brown's parents want him to play basketball --> Joe has parents who like basketball.
  Joe Wong's parents want him to study hard --> Joe's parents are typically Chinese.
  Joe Chen's parents want him to play basketball --> Joe's parents are weird.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:26:01 PST
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> However, if Ms. Ayala is referring to Taiwan, then note that Taiwan is
> part of the PRC and that Taiwan was fortunate enough to have been occupied
Huh?  Gee, I'd like to know where you get your "information" Dwight. 
Taiwan is NOT part of the PRC, no matter how much Beijing wishes it 
were.
:::::Larry:::::

:::::larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us::::: // :::::Larry Greenfield:::::
::::::::Just your average modeming Classical Violinist:::::::::
:::::::::::Using a 6809-based Tandy Color Computer 3:::::::::::
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: Joke about intolerance (was Re: Joke about Singaporean)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:45:51 GMT

: Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

: : Do you see what I was telling you? Why does Singaporean want this kind of trash
: : on the nettwork? Just to see Singapore? I'am very angry now! Obviously,
: : a few of you done know that none of these jokes makes the White American
: : the target. Instead of Malay or Mexican- Japanese or Singapore could be
: : the one.

: : Mr. Shaver your an asshole. I don't think that you would go up to a
: : Mexican in Sacremento and say this to him. This makes you a
: : motherfucking coward. Hiding behind a computer and joking about shoting
: : a Mexican. You pig! No. pig is to good of a word for your kind. Slug.
: : No! Any of God's creature would be shamed to have to cowardice that are.
: : Your a noboby! And, you can best believe that I will write a letter to
: : this bullshit that they call Unify Corporations with this shit that you
: : posted here. Who do they try to unify pussies(excuse me dear Virgins),
: : no you're less than a pussy! You're a wussy! Asshole! I would be
: : surprized if a Mexican took out a gun and blew your dirty brains out for
: : being a wussy. I think that Mexican American groups in Caly wouldn't
: : likethe Mexican American supporting a company with this imagine! But,
: : we'll see?? 

: : You BETTER apologizes!

Mr Asano, I think you've stepped beyond the boundaries of good taste and net
etiquette.  This is soc.culture.singapore, not alt.vulgarity or
alt.mad.ravings.

This Singaporean does NOT appreciate your turning this newsgroup into a
device for you to air your xenophobic views.  If you feel strongly about
this issue, keep your comments to email.  I don't think ANYONE appreciates
your using bandwidth in this manner, with your inflammatory jingoistic
speeches.

If you want to discuss this issue rationally, go ahead.  If you want to spew
vulgarities and resort to name-calling in your arguments, go jump.

And stop using the Lord's name in vain.


Tan Wee Meng
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal (+tokenism)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:08:57 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

All right, -M. Aurelius Insularum Mr. Closet Homosexual, well my experience
with Asian gays is that one asked me aloud am I a homosexual in the middle
of the school recreational sports facility....letting the world know that he
was coming on to me....but, he's apparently graduated now....then today
I offered to sell anime to a Rasta guy in a bookstore but he was extremely
defensive and said he doesn't go to stranger's houses because I could be
a serial killer or he could be....gee, must be something about me that gets
homosexuals excited by them thinking I'm gay or something....tell you what,
would you like to be my victim #8?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Acting "white" (was Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*)
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:33:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.165044.26264@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes: 
|>   That's because she was with you!  Try sending her over with an Asian American
|>   companion and see what happens.  I was among 3 native-born Asian Americans
|>   with 1 naturalized Asian American (with horrible accent), and we were all
|>   stopped and searched even though all 4 of us were U.S. citizens, only because
|>   of the one with the accent.  While waiting in the detention area, an obnoxious
|>   agent was harrassing a bunch of rich-looking Japanese (middle-aged) and
|>   asked me to translate to their "damn language".  I spoke the proper version
|>   of Black English back to him and he shut up.  :-)
|> 
I am Canadian Korean and I have gone thru the border via car on many occasions. I
have never been searched by the American side but once by the Canadian side
because my girlfirend started to blush but it was only a quick search in my trunk.
If you act suspecious then they will search you especially if there are more than
one in the car. I always give concise answers and keep eye contact and they don't 
give me any hassles.

Sometimes they ask for proof of citizenship and sometimes they don't. The
Queenston bridge is easier to cross than the Niagara Bridge.
-- 
Richard Park
From: jdooley@venus.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Dooley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Children's Day
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:56:30 GMT
Organization: UC Davis

In article <1993Jan23.062658.27214@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.192957.29627@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu
>Ayala) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan22.051616.16595@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>In article <c6TPXB3w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry
>>>Greenfield) writes:...
>>>>  (except that in Japan, there IS a Children's Day, which is why I 
>>>>...
>>>Yes, in Japan, there _is_ a Children's day; it is a day when parents
>>>celebrate the health and well-being of their children.
>>  April 4th is Children's Day in China too.  Which date is it in Japan?
>
>There are 3 separate days that could be construed as Children's Days.
>I'll present 2 since they are the most pertinent to the matter at hand.
>
>(1) May 5 - "Children's Day"
>
>It is an _official_ national holiday, recognized by the government of
>Japan; most gov't offices are closed.  This day is to celebrate the health
>and well-being of the children.
>

Actually, Children's Day was once "Boy's Day".  It derives from
the Chinese holiday known alternately as Double Fifth (from 5th
day of month 5) or the Dragon Boat Festival.

In 1948 Japan Boy's Day to Children's Day.

The Japanese holiday "Girl's Day" or "Doll's Day" also has roots
in an older Chinese festival -- "The Grass Festival", aka
"The Lustration Festival".

>
>It is important to note that there is _no_ such day in the People's Republic of
>China

There is such a day in the PRC.  It falls on June 1.

> and that if there is such a day on Taiwan 
>then the establishment of that day is a
>consequence of the 40+ years of Japanese occupation.  

There is -- April 4th (as Clare has already informed you).

Based on what evidence do you state that the Chinese celebration
was established during the Japanese occupation.  It seems very
unlikely.  One, consider that Japan did not have a Children's
Day Festival until after the end of their occupation of Taiwan.
Two, consider that the Chinese do not consider the Japanese
occupation as anything but a tragedy -- why would they (so 
soon after it's end) start emulating their hated, former
conquerors?  Or, adopt permanently, traditions foisted on them
by those conquerors?  Three, the Japanese festivals for Boys and Girls
are well-known to have their roots in Chinese culture.

> [ Excerpts from Sweeney Todd deleted. ]

John D.