From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: In Its Entire History Greece Has Never Been A Democracy - Except...
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:37:50 GMT





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yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS)

>	??????? %^&%&^#@**&^@#*. 

Utter bathos. Seldom have I felt so bad and so good at the same time. 
So wonderfully rotten, elegantly sad, and melancholy and nostalgic and 
all. 

>	Oh, boy. She was right. YOU ARE REALLY SCREWED UP. YOU NEED TO
>SEE A DOCTOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :)))))))))))))

'She' is G-d's way of telling 'Vel*s' to slow down and rest and stay
in bad for several days. And besides, 'Vel*' always solves itself.

>	Oh, ya. Go ahead. Tell me that the democracy was born in Turkey.
>BTW, what was Turkey when Athens had democracy. 

Your brain does look neat, I must admit - if neatness is important.
The so-called 'cradle of democracy' Greece had only 17.5 years of 
democracy in its entire history. Before 1974 Greece was ruled either 
by military dictators or monarchs. Greece adopted democracy in 1974 
when the ruling military junta fell as a result of Turkish intervention 
in Cyprus. In contrast Turkiye, three short termed military interventions 
withstanding, had multi-party democracy since 1950, for 32 years.

>And something else. Talking
>about democracy what do you have to do with that. Does your country and 
>your government know what democracy is? Did you ever have democracy before?

Does the winding down of summer put you in a heavy philosophical mood?
You don't like to talk about the 17.5-year-old democracy for fear that
Greeks will not understand? 

>If yes, then when? And if no, then try to bring democracy home and then tell
>us about our democracy.

To increase our level of intimacy, I will tell you about one of mine.
According to a photo appeared in press, Greek hooligans attacked 
members of the Turkish minority who were staging a peaceful sit-in 
protest against the Greek government, which rejected the 
community's election of Mehmet Emin Aga for mufti, and sought 
to impose its own man instead. The attacks on Turks in Greece 
continue. Mosque in Gumulcine bombed. Greek FM Radio exhorts 
Greeks to kill Turks. 

The armed attacks on Turkish minority in Greece that started 
with the beating up of 5 ethnic-Turks by the Greek mob in Iskece 
on August 23rd continued with a new assault in Gumulcine. The 
new target of the anti-Turkish Greek mobs has been a mosque 
bombed in Gumulcine on August 27. The fire bombing of the
Kirkmahalle Mosque did not cause any casualties but extensive 
material damage. 

The Greeks have begun to escalate their terror on the Turkish
population in Western Thrace. The local Greek radio FM 96.1 in 
Iskece has been exhorting Greeks to beat and kill the Turks. 
Greek thugs have been beating Turks while Greek police looked 
on and did nothing.

In regard to 17.5-year-old democracy, one could easily draw attention
to the minority rights of Albanians and Turks in Greece. The Greek
approach has been to deny that these ethnic groups exist, i.e.,
that the Turks of Thrace are Hellenic Muslims. The Greek approach
has been to refer to the minority problem in Thrace as a bunch
of people who want 'to speak Turkish and wear fezes.'

An unbiased observer could never comprehend the degree of patience 
and tolerance Turks have shown the Greeks in history. Nevertheless, 
this magnanimity has never been reciprocated by the Greek governments, 
it has mostly been ignored or misinterpreted. Greeks always maneuvered, 
schemed and plotted against Turks, amid a series of idiotically executed 
byzantine intrigues.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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