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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Promoter's Responsibilites?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:41:52 GMT

K.D.Leka writes:
>Anyone have any ideas on how to get promoters to provide what most
>would call "basic necessities?"  Yes, specifically a porta-potty or somesuch.

Having encountered this problem recently while assisting at a
collegiate race in Northern California, I can tell you what I plan to
do whenever I encounter it as a chief referee: cancel the race.
It is not worth risking the loss of a course by putting the riders in
the unreasonable situation of "making do" (so to speak) and messing up
relations with the community.

I suggest that you recommend that action to your district rep and
officials and that the rep inform the organizers, who will then have
adequate incentive to make sure that this problem doesn't arise.

>The complaint they have is that such facilities cost $200, and they
>can't afford it.  We're already paying entry fees of $15-$20, 

That argument is nonsensical -- Hawaii is a free market district, so
the organizers may charge whatever they want to put on the race.  The
excuse given in the race I mentioned at the beginning of this piece was
that they had ordered potties but they were not delivered.  My
response to that is that the organizer is responsible for making sure
that they ARE delivered and he or she had better have a penalty clause
in the contract with the potty-provider to cover the cost of race
cancellation if they fail to deliver.

Maybe this issue should be dealt with formally in the USCF Rulebook,
though I hate to see it get still more complicated.  Let's see, perhaps
we could add a rule on "Natural Body Functions" to the section on
"Medical Control."
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 09:19:20 CET
From: <NCHEEK@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject:    Polished Frame

I'm thinking about having my Cannondale MTB stripped and polished.
But I'm unsure as to whether I also need to get it coated with
clear laquer/varnish or not. People have said that just ordinary
polish and a bit of effort will keep it shining. But I always
thought aluminium oxidised very quickly in air and it would
tarnish very quickly with just polish on it.

Could anyone with a polished frame or experience of polished frames
help me out...???

                   Neil......


European Space Agency
European Space Operations Centre
Darmstadt
Germany
From: rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:55:53 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited, Calgary, AB
In-reply-to: sagerian@delphinium.UUCP's message of 8 Apr 92 16:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.164415.3753@rtsg.mot.com> sagerian@delphinium.UUCP (Steve M. Sagerian) writes:

>   Finally: sponge bathing in the restroom is not considered normal
> behavior so be prepared to take some remarks from coworkers, just keep
> your chin up and think of the great work out you just had! 

Reminds me of the time the prez of my old company paid an impromptu visit
to my cubicle to find me standing there in my gotch having just biked to
work.  Didn't batt an eye !

--
----------------
Richard Melville
Hughes Spatial Data Systems Division
"Get a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life." - me
From: sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana von Klopp)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: I'll never joke again. This is a serious.newsgroup (Was: shaving )
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:00:58 GMT
	<ku51fqINN1nf@sal-sun74.usc.edu>
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh
In-reply-to: dittrich@sal-sun74.usc.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 05:34:50 GMT


In article <ku51fqINN1nf@sal-sun74.usc.edu> dittrich@sal-sun74.usc.edu (MotrinMan) writes:

>   I wrote
>   >(Robert Thralls) writes:

>   >>  Most people serious enough to shave their legs are *bi* or tri athletes
>   >Now *I*'d like to know where you got the data on bis and shaving from. 
>  I figured I'd clarify this before a flame war is started. When Robert said
>  "*bis* or tri athletes," he meant "*biathlete* or triathlete."  

Gosh, did he, really? I'm so sorry. 

>  At least that's the way I interpreted it.

You've got no imagination.

Ana (I'll remember the smiley next time)
--
If elections could change anything, they'd be illegal. Don't vote, it
just encourages them.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Sleeping Toes
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:43:32 GMT

Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:

> On a simillar but more embarrasing note, has anyone ever had certain
> _other_ parts of their male anatomy below-the-waist fall asleep on
> long rides?  This has always bothered me.... I have nice padded
> cycling shorts and a gel seat, but still have this problem... anyone
> else ever experienced this?

It happens. Usually moving slightly forward or backward on the saddle or
tilting the hips to change the contact points will fix it. If it's chronic,
you may want to tilt your seat further forward or backward so that your
natural position on the seat is different.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goose@twinsun.com (Jennifer Bing Zheng)
Subject: Re: A day at the Palomar Mountain
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:20:43 GMT

In article <*~627}?3@twinsun.com> I write:
>
>But we felt so good that we decided to change the plan and do the East Grade.
								   ^^^^^^^^^^
>So off we go, getting on the 7 mile East Grade w/ 50 switchbacks (I found this
				     ^^^^^^^^^^
>
Silly me; these should be "South Grade".

Peace.
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From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Subject: Re: Cheap helmets, gluing tire pieces, and cantilever brakes
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:42:52 GMT

This is my first post, but I purchased a SNELL and ANSI helmet at a
local members only wholesale type club for $16.50.  This is my second
helmet, the first one I bought at the same place.  It saved my life
when I was hit by a car.  If it doesn't ventilate well, who cares,
wear the helmet.  At this price buy a couple extras to give guests!!!


--Daniel Woycke
The above opinions are mine and can belong to no one else.
From: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Shimano/Sugino Chainring Compatability - A Follow-Up
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:07:38 GMT

Sometime back I had posted about a problem I had when I replaced a
Shimano 105 42-tooth chainring with a Sugino 39-tooth chainring.  The
problem was that the chain would rub on the large (52-tooth) chainring
when I was in the 39-13 or 39-14.  I did NOT have this problem before
I switched chainrings.

Several sources, including the salesperson at Shaw's Bicycle Shop,
mistakenly told me that the two chainrings were compatable.  When I
took the Sugino chainring back to the shop, I explained that the Shimano
teeth are offset whereas the Sugino teeth are not.  I was sure this was
the source of the problem.  After posting to the net, I received several
responses reassuring me that the two chainrings WERE compatable and that
I needed to adjust my chainline to resolve the problem.

Well, today I installed a Shimano Ultegra 39-tooth chainring and it is
working perfectly.  The chain only slightly grazes the large chainring
when I am in the 39-13.  I didn't need to adjust my chainline at all.
So much for compatablility!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Is indexed shifting standard?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:56:05 GMT

acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.) writes:
>... My friends bike is a bianchi ibex
>and mine is a parkpre something or other. Both of our bikes
>use the Shimano 200GS whatchamacallits, but his shifters are suntour
>and mine are shimano (sti?).  My question is, is  indexed shifting
>supposed to be standard?

It is these days unless you buy a really cheap bike.  200GS is indexed.  If the
shifters are single lever, above the bar, then there is an additional small
lever on the rear (right hand) shifter to switch in and out of indexed mode -
the postions are marked "F" for friction and "SIS" for indexed.  If your
shifters are the two lever below the bar type, then they are indexed and should
be returned to the shop for servicing or replacement if they aren't working.

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 05:12:38 EST
From: victor sue <ACPS7223@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: How to prevent bar-end theft
Distribution: usa

One way that might work to prevent bar end theft would be to fill the
hex bolt holes (or torx or whatever) with industrial grade hot glue
gun glue.  The stuff would be impossible to get out without alot of
gouging with a knife or similar instrument, but comes out easily if
heated up again with the same glue gun.  Whattya think?  Plausible?
 o\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/o
 o Victor Sue ---> acps7223@ryerson.ca ---> Toronto, Canada, eh!  o
 o "The Important Thing is Not to Stop Questioning"- A. Einstein  o
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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 17:02:58 EST
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Saddle advice sought

Neither of the saddles mentioned are all leather. An all leather saddle
is my personal preference. Get a Brooks Pro, and ride it once in the
rain.

Have a happy butt!
-eric
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger)
Subject: Clincher tire opinions sought
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:19:22 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

I just bought a Colnago Conic frame, and I am trying to decide on the compo-
nents.  The bike will probably not be used for racing, but for fast sport
riding.  I have used tubulars for years, and I love the light weight and the
smooth ride, but I am averse to the cost of blowing them (this seems to
happen all too often).  So, I am considering putting sporty clinchers on the
Colnago, but before I make such a change, I would like to know what I am get-
ting into.

I would like some recommendations on: tires, tubes, and rims.  I want to
keep the total weight somewhere near that of a tubular set as well as the
smoothness of the ride.  In particular, I am interested in opinions on the
puncture resistance of the Nutrak Airseal latex tube (it's the tube that's
stretched over a broken bottle in Bike Nashbar's catalog) and that of the
Michelin Hi-Lite Supercompe HD tire.  Also, if you've used any good Kevlar
tires, please e-mail me.  Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:46:18

Just a casual inquiry -- anyone have the new Vetta C-20 cyclocomputer?
I was thinking of getting one 'cause it is the cheapest one I've seen
with both cadence and a clock.

Anyone used it?

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: bicycle for sale:2
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:25:35 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

BTW, it's a 56cm frame-- 


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Collisions - another slant
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.175641.3192@unlinfo.unl.edu> latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu (Latenser) writes:
>
>Well, we have all listened to endless bantering about cars hitting
>bicycles etc.  
>
>latenser@unlinfo.unl.edu

How about bikes hitting cars? I remember one fine summer afternoon when my then
10 year old daughter came running in screaming that my then 7 year old son had
just been hit by a car. (I remember hearing the car horn.) I went tearing
outside to see my son laying under the front bumper of a car whose driver was
resting his head on the wheel.

While I checked on my son, the driver got out and said "I don't know what else
I could have done, I stopped and honked, but he just kept coming." Turns out
the boy was racing with his freinds and didn't see the car because he was
winning and looking back over his shoulder laughing at them.

We were lucky that he didn't damage either himself or the car. He rides MUCH
more carefully now thank you very much!

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw                    "The only trouble with instant gratification
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com           is that it takes so long!"
408/432-5960                                          Me
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: grif@number6.EBay.Sun.COM (#5913)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Never call bumps again
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:51:03 GMT
Reply-To: grif@number6.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: number6.ebay.sun.com

In article 33050053@hpmwgde2.HP.COM, budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren) writes:
>Re: Allsop
>
>there was a guy on Coors Light who was using [an allsop].

that was alex stieda, canuck racing star, first north american to
wear the yellow jersey in the tour de france!
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycling rising in popularity in U.S.
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article 24726@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>[From San Jose Mercury News, 2 April 1992.]
>
>More people are cycling than ever before, [...]

According to a recent notice in a local newspaper, Swedes are buying
more bikes too. They thought it was a combination of the mild winter
and the current recession (even a small reduction of car sales can mean
a huge incerase for bikes). There could be a parallel to 1979 when an
extremely early and warm spring combined with an out-drawn strike among
public-transport workers to bring Stockholmers cycling by the
thousands.

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 Torsten Lif                          |   The only reason NOT to wear a
 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/ZD    |   cycling helmet must be if you don't
 S-126 25  STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN          |   feel you have anything worth
 Tel: +46 8 719 4881                  |   protecting inside your skull.
From: jkarab@next.com (John Karabaic)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Any bike commuters in Cincinnati?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: jkarab@next.com

I just started the occasional bike commute from my home in Springdale to  
my office in Blue Ash.  I've been using a combination of street maps and  
Rails to Trails maps to find routes, but sometimes this is unreliable :-).
For example, the Rails to Trails map lists Reed-Hartman Highway as a good  
route, but bicycles are prohibited on it, as I found out when a cop pulled  
me over on my first commute!

I'd like to start collecting information on good routes around town,  
between suburbs and to downtown from hardy, seasoned commuters.  Respond  
to me directly and I'll route responses to interested parties via email.

Thanks!
--
John S. Karabaic, Systems Engineer, jkarab@NeXT.com, 513 792 5904
NeXT Computer, Inc.; 4434 Carver Woods Dr.;  Cincinnati, OH 45242
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tdj@infonode.ingr.com (Ted Johnson)
Subject: Re: MS 150
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:38:08 GMT


In response to James W Gourgoutis's queries regarding the MS 150:

I would encourage any healthy bicyclist to ride in the MS 150.  75
miles per day is not a grueling pace, when you figure you'll have at
least nine hours per day to ride it.  You should do some conditioning
beforehand, though.  I "trained" for three weeks, working up to an
85-mile day in a 135-mile weekend in the hilliest area handy to me, and
this was plenty.  The support was excellent--water and little munchies
every ten miles, usually gatorade, plus sag, mechanical and medical
teams.  You may find the hardest part to be lining up $150 in
contributions.
From: wulfie@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Corrosion problems in Al Bikes (Wuz XXX Schwinn...)
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:52:27 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Aluminum chloride.... corrosion.  I'm not a chemist but dad's a PHD chemist
and never mentioned this one to me when I bought my Cdale.  But, i'll put it
like this.  I ride my Cdale year around mostly in coastal areas and am not
very good about keeping it clean.  In addition, Cannondales are _Very_
common in Halifax NS.  Furthermore. paint is easily scraped and knocked off
of these bikes...  In spite of all this, I have _Never_ talked to anyone, heard
 of anyone or had experience myself with corrosion problems on a Cannondale.
If I remeber correctly my highschol chemistry (5 years past) Sodium is a
heck of a lot more reactive than aluminum so why would Aluminum out compete
the sodium ion (as they are putting NaCl on the road).  Put here's the capper.
What about the aluminum hulled, unfinished canoe and motorboat I've been
polishing the rocks of Port Medway Harbor with since '84.

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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: What is the best, lightest MTB seatpost?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:37:39 GMT

Don't buy very light seatposts like the Kingsbery Alu post. Most probably 
you will also use a titanium rail saddle like the Flite Titanium. These 
saddles give very much energy back to the seatpost which will bend it, when
used in rough terrain.

I can however recommend the Syncros seatpost which will weight about 230 gr.
in the 330 mm length.

Adrian
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..!fub!einoed!alh         Tel: (030)611 31 26 / 611 32 26, Fax: (030)825 98 75
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cupertino Bike Shop Swap Meet April 26th(Silicon Valley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:11:35 GMT
  <1992Apr7.231856.17715@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

> I suppose most people know that it is considered extremely poor taste to post 
> commercial items in a Internet newsgroup.  if you object to this as I do
> please send e-mail to this guy letting him know that.  I for one do not
> want to see rec.bicycles become littered with commercial advertisments.

A) rec.bicycles is a Usenet group.  What Internet considers poor taste is
not relevant.

B) The posting was about a swap meet.  This sounds similar to trade shows.
Such postings are not considered to be in poor taste, even on Internet.

C) Postings from people not associated with a commercial entity, letting
people know that the commerical entity is doing something that may be of
interest to readers of a given newsgroup, are not in poor taste.

							Tim Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Crunch Commercial
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:48:01 GMT

In article <13APR92.14393936@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>I found the Nestle Crunch commercial very disturbing.  I have
>done plenty of drafting off of trucks and busses.  It is fun, but
>it is also about the most dangerous thing that you can do on
>your bike.  I know of at least one person who was killed doing this.

not to mention that you wind up smelling like diesel fuel afterwards.
From: SJ81SANU@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum frame
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:34:49 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I bought a 979 Dural in January 1987, and have been very pleased with it. It
has taken a lot of abuse - many races, several crashes, and at least 20,000
miles. Through all, it has always responded like a champ. It corners well, and
due to it's low weight, it's an exceptional climber. I've had very few problems
with frame flex, but I have a small frame (52 cm) and I don't weigh much (130 -
135 lbs). I think for the money, you can't get a much lighter frame. I guess
that the best testimony I can give is that after 5 years of riding one, I'm now
saving to get another.
                           Jaws
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@idg02.bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.162247.12786@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
>
>By the way, my bro' who bought a C-10 had the batteries conk out in like a month or 2
>dunno if this is a freak occurence or what...
>
I have a Vetta C-100 and although the batteries last more than a month I seem
to replace them 2-3 times a year. The odd thing about that is the c-100
has a shut off feature - if the front wheel doen't spin for something
like 6 or 7 minutes the display shuts off. It reappears next time the wheel
begins to spin. I guess I'd be replacing them even more often without
the screen saver mode.

BTW, I hate the buttons on this computer. Very clumsy. Sometimes you have
press 2 or 3 times before it responds. However, I like the way the functions
are grouped in the display.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com