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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: ATE
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:36:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: MBVM.167CA8714.M00209
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

I lost the note, but somebody asked yesterday about ATE.
 
ATE I believe stands for "American Transit Enterprises".  It is a transit
management firm which manages and either operates or hires operators for many
municipal transit agencies (local Transit Authorities, etc.) all over the
country.  I believe that in most cases, they merely manage the operation and
hire somebody else to actually run and maintain the busses, but I may be wrong
on this.  CalTrain was their only venture into "heavy" rail - don't know if
they are involved in San Jose or any other "light" rail cities.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen)
Subject: Railroad construction set software?
Originator: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: UW-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:21:36 GMT


Could anyone put me onto any personal computer (or workstation class)
railroad simulator or layout construction set software? I just ran
across something called DESIGN YOUR OWN TRAIN for Apple II in an
old TRAINS and want to see what is available here and now, regardless of
hardware/software platform (macintosh, msdos, unix....)


-- 
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Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201
From: bourque@remarque.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Old line questions
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:56:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.shg6uINNos7
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

>Does rolling stock ever get lost or forgotten? 

A transportation economics professor of mine told about a set of Penn Central
boxcars discovered on a siding in Baltimore several years after the PC went
bust.  They were full of mail!

- Ken Bourque
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Fields (was RE: Playing Chicken)
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:37:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Eddie Oliver writes:
> 
> 
> Why not? Surely there are still many sections of track on CP which are not
> track-circuited? Can't they still use it on branch lines, sidings etc.?


I guess they could...never crossed my mind.  I guess there is other things
wrong with it too.  I dunno, not my field :)

> 
> Which raises a broader question. What is current Canadian practice for
> operating
> trains on unsignalled lines? There has been some intermittent discussion here
> and in the signalling mailing list re the demise of train orders, and their
> replacement by other systems which seem to many of us just to be train orders
> under another name, or with extra restrictions; but I don't recall much
> debate
> about the current practices on CN, CP, BCR etc.


The old system of M.B.S. (Manual Block System) was upgraded with the recent
rules change (from U.C.O.R. to C.R.O.R) and is now called O.C.S. (Occupancy
Control System).

Did you G.E.T. all T.H.A.T.?  Sheesh...!

Anyway, OCS is basically the same as MBS in that train movement is controlled
by a Clearance that you copy down on paper.

"To: Extra 5879 West

Proceed from Point A. to Point B.

(if you take the siding it says, "Clear Main Track")

These forms also allow for the operation of cabooseless trains as they have a
section on the form for, "Leave  blank switch in reversed position" where blank
would be North Siding Switch Windermere.

It's a simple system, but when there is a lot of trains or maintenance
happening, the radio never shuts up and there is a LOT of paperwork.  I recall
one trip about 3 years ago from Ft. Steele to Golden.  The dispatcher (now
called the RTC) called and asked if we were on the move.  I replied Yes.  He
then asked where we were stopping next.  I rattled off 6 restriction point (2
Foremen on Y2's, 2 work trains we were protecting against by clearance, one
foreman we were protecting against by clearance, and our actual train's
clearance point!)  In total, I took 14 clearances that trip!


--

 steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  Riding the "High Iron" of
 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []         CP Rail
 The Great White North in      []
 Vancouver, BC CANADA          [] Opinions are mine, NOT CP's
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Conrail wreck in Michigan?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:02:22 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Has anyone heard of a Conrail derailment in Michigan?
My brother told me that ELGR or something was heading up to Grand Rapids
and had just left Kalamazoo, and some vandals tampered with a switch at
Plainwell, and the train went into the siding and smashed into the local
I guess destroying a GP38, # 880? something. Has anybody heard any info
on this?
Thanks in advance,
Fred Ochs

31OCHS@gw.wmich.edu   (VAX)
ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (UNIX)

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A GP30 with some imagination ;^)

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From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: Diesel-Electric vs. Diesel-hydraulic
Keywords: diesel electric, diesel hydraulic
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 APR 92 12:33:33    

In article <1992Apr16.135928.29502@tcom.stc.co.uk>, rap@tcom.stc.co.uk
(Richard Porter) write, in part:
>In article <92106.142557FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET
>(Ruediger Gaensfuss) writes:

>>In article <92106.113829LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>, Dr. Lutz Massonne
>><LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET> says:

>>Diesel-hydaulics have had much better realtionship power - weight than
>>diesel-electrics. So it has nothing to do with shorter trains in Europe.
>>Remember: the most powerfull diesel engine in the world was (still is?)
>>the German V320 001, a diesel-hydraulic.

>This was to their disadvantage in the UK. Whilst the Western Region went
>its own independent way (true to the traditions of the Great Western Railway)
>and ordered diesel hydraulics under the 1955 Modernisation Plan, the other
>regions of BR opted for diesel-electrics. BR later decided to standardise on
>electric transmission and scrapped all its hydraulic locos.

	My impression is that "light weight" can easily be a negative feature
	in a locomotive.  Too littel weight & the achievable Tractive Effort
	goes down.  Most Diesel Electrics are ballasted, sometimes invisibly
	by the use of heavier frames tha necessary.  Diesel Hydraulic,
	somewhere, requires a right angle set of gears.  Lossy and maintenance
	intensive, especially under heavy loads and their shocks.  The detailed
	desing tradeoff will depend on hp used for pulling long/slow/heavy
	trains, or for pulling shorter, faster trains.

>The big advantage with hydraulic transmission is that you can put full power
>down from a standstill whereas this is not possible with electric transmission
>(the current would be too great for the generator and traction motors).

	In detail, the generator/alternator are quite capable of handling
	the power at zeo speed, FOR SHORT TIMES.  Something like 5-10 minutes,
	varying with load & spec.  The detailed starting characteristics are
	a limit set by traction (absolute) which is dependent on weight and
	rail conditions.  The max can only be maintained for short times with
	D-E transmission.  A D-H can do it "forever".  Note that D-H is more
	widely used for switchers than for main line traction....

	A less important advantage of the D-H used to be that it was "smoother",
	there were no discontinuities as ot accelerated, since the torque
	convertor vane/impeller angle is under continuous control.  Until
	"recently" D-E tractive effort was discontinuous at throttle changes
	and transitions.  This either meant running marginally under max HP
	OR getting wheel spin on the discontinuities.  Modern D-E control
	gear is "stepless" & much better.

>Richard
thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Seattle-Vancouver trains
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:29:26 GMT

		Seattle-Vancouver trains

  Thanks to those who responded. Any idea whether the earlier train
had stops at Blaine or Bellingham? Bellingham is now the most common
destination of cross-border shoppers from Vancouver, but the advent
of the new service could make it easier for them to shop at Seattle.
From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSRM Festival....June '92
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:00:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr16.190037.13751
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: AHPCRC

In article <1992Apr16.150635.6430@ampex.com>, lelanda@Ampex.COM (Dave Leland) writes:
|> Dated Mar. 24, 1992
|> 
|>     Designed not duplicate RAILFAIR '91, but to complement it, the CALIFORNIA
|> RAILROAD FESTIVAL is planned to be an annual event and will be held each year on the second weekend of June.
|> This years event will get underway at noon on Friday, June 12 and run through
|> Sunday, June 14th.
|> 
|>     Festival plans call for extended Museum hours,interpretive exhibits and
|> access to Mueseum equipment not normally open to the public. The recreational
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does anyone know which equipment this includes?  For example, would the
following two engines be on this "list"?

2-10-4  "5001"  5021    AT&SF   Sacramento, CA (N. of CSRM's Unit Shop)
4-8-4   "2900"  2925    SF      Sacramento, CA (N. of CSRM's Unit Shop)



|> aspects of railroading will be highlighted with toy and model displays,train    rides, film and video shows, tours through private railroad cars, steam and
|> diesel locomotives and********a-once-in-a-lifetime special treat--tours through
|> the cab of the Mueseum's giant,million-pound Cab-Forward steam locomotive       SP No. 4294. Never before has this opportunity been offered!*************
|> (the stars are mine)
|> 
|> Ther is a phone # to call for further info.
|> 
|> Catherine Taylor or Ellie Van Airsdale at (916) 322-8485
|> 
|> 
|> HOPE TO SEE **YOU** THERE !!!!!!
|> 
|> 
|> Dave............lelanda@ampex.com 

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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Color Light Signals
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:56:59 GMT

From article <1992Apr7.133706.9882@tellab5.tellabs.com>,
by jcj@tellabs.com (jcj):
> 
> Elementary question: How do you get yellow?  Giant bipolar LEDs? 8-)

On a searchlight signal, applying no power leaves the red roundel in
front of the lightbulb.  Applying power with one polarity pulls the
yellow roundel in, and reversing the polarity pulls the green roundel
into place.

If the block the signal controls is occupied, power is cut to the contol
lines, making it red.  If the block is empty, the polarity applied to
the control lines is determined by the state of the next block -- if
that block is unoccupied, the signal sees the battery directly.  If that
block is occupied, the polarity is reversed.

That logic is very simple with relays, where a double-pole, double-throw
relay will do the revarsal.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Random DC News
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:56:33 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm in the process of updating my DC trains guide, but I thought I'd post
some of the changes and some other stuff in the meantime.

First, as we all know, Pot Yard is being reduced to almost nothing.

Meanwhile, MARC has gone on a buying spree again.  They've acquired more
RDCs (names read something about shoreline service?) and there is now an E
unit in service.  It's solid blue (looks like faded conrail) with "MARC" on
the nose.  Any ideas where it comes from?  The Brunswick yards are full of
stored passenger equipment, most of which looks to me like excursion and
private stuff.  MARC also has an F-7 B unit in service, in CSX paint.

Freight traffic on CSX is very heavy now, usually 8-10 trains in daylight
(many more at night).  The odd gravel train with the caboose is still coming
through every day-- does anyone know where all this gravel is going, and why
it needs a caboose?  The Cap. Ltd consist is very dull now, due to the
through coach.

I have seen the VRE equipment in Ivy City.  If you take the Metro Red Line,
look past the Amtrak car wash.  VERY spiffy paint.

The station in Laurel Md burned in January.  Fortunately it was caught
quickly and the damage is repairable (remarkable for a 110 yr old building).
It will be repaired and put back in service.

There is a tremendous stash of signalling hardware stored at Point of Rocks,
suggesting that CSX is about to eliminate color position signals in favor of
color light signals.

Camden station in Balto. is being restored, but it will not be used as a
rail station.  (The real station is several blocks south.)

That's all for now.
-- 
C. Wingate        + "Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
                  +  Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  O, some times it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble,
tove!mangoe       +  Were you there when they crucified my Lord?"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Rail Maps in General (was Re: Rail Maps - Wisc,Mich)
Keywords: maps, topo,
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:17:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: e2big.1992Apr7.160016.12923
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <BMC9KL.6Gw@world.std.com>, BPorter@world.std.com (Barry M Porter)
writes, in part:

>the BEST, imho, are the 7.5 minute series from the US geologic survey...
>ESPECIALLY if you like abandoned railroad rights of way...AND they are
>usually the most accurate in showing current railroad "maps"
> 
>These are usually available at local RR shows, or the US Government sells them,

	Indeed.  Also available in many stationary stores, hunting supply stores
	bicycle shops, etc.  The Yellow Pages under "MAPS" will point out all
	the likely (& some unlikely) candidates.

	Some abandoned RoW is marked "abandoned RoW".  Some has turned into
	de facto dirt roads.  Sometimes a _seriously_ abandoned RoW can be
	traced by "reading the contours", where the cuts & fills can be seen,
	even on lines abandoned for 150 years...

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Car Attacks SP Train
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:13:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: MBVM.167C4D603.M00209
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Apr8.213000.17317@berlioz.nsc.com>
mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Apr07.191545.28309@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger) writes:
>>......The street crosses the track at about a
>>30 degree angle, there are no gates or lights, but visibility is almost
>>unrestricted in both directions.  The engineer said he saw the car from a
>>long distance, but noticed it never slowed for the train.  He also said he
>>was laying on the horn but to no avail.........
>
>     There were no lights or gates and the only thing the engineer was
>using to warn cars was his horn!!  This couldn't be right.  Every railroad
>crossing I have ever seen that didn't have lights or gates has had
>breakman with flares, etc. to control traffic while the train crosses.
>Am I missing something here?
>
Guess I must be missing something.  But I think I could name at least 500
crossings without hardly even stopping to think that don't have either lights
or gates and that are not "Stop and Protect" crossings.
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Vancouver-Seattle trains
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:01:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada


			VANCOUVER-SEATTLE TRAINS

  The local papers have carried reports about Amtrak planning to start a
Vancouver-Seattle service. This has got retailers in Vancouver worried
since this will make cross-border shopping easier.
  When did passenger trains last run on this route? Was it before Amtrak?
Any idea of the timings and stops?
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Manchester Metro
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:36:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: MBVM.167C9A344.M00209
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Apr13.091438.15087@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>
ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk (Mark Enderby) writes, in part:
 
>Surprisingly, the first fatality was not on a street section - but
>on the old BR track to Bury. I can't see the British coping with trams
>on the road and would have expected some mangled cars and buses in
>the near future !
 
On the contrary, I think it's quite fitting that a fatality should occur
on the line to Bury.  Does the line have any Funeral Cars, as many American
trolley lines did around the turn of the century?
 
<Sorry, just couldn't resist the ovious pun!>
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Crossing Gate Rules and Laws
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:53:15 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <122200085@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill) writes:
> ...    ince then, a Vickers station on Prospect
> Street next to the BN tracks has been converted to a 24-hour "Convenience
> Store" [read:  high priced shoplifting magnet :-)] and last week I saw a
> train headed by two SD-40-2s and a similar (though not alike) EMD six-axle
> unit stopped about fifteen feet short of the street, while the brakeman
> was in the store, and the engineer (driver?-around here sometimes the term    
> "engineer" is not used as a complement :-) ) was having a smoke in his cab.
...

This reminds me of the setup in Wilmington.  The Reading Beech Street yard/
roundhouse was about a half-mile from where my dad worked.  There was an
industrial track leading to a couple sidings that got within easy walking
distance of the local all-night diner.  Despite the fact that you never
saw cars spotted on the sidings, night movements on the industrial track
weren't all that un-common.  I wonder what things were like in the steam
days...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 17:49:51 EDT
From: Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: MARC in Philadelphia?

I saw a MARC train leaving Philadelphia 30th Street southbound on Sunday,
6 coaches and an AEM-7 pushing.  Only a couple of people in the front
coach (besides the folks operating), presumably railroad employees.
Any idea what MARC was doing there?
-------

 -- Aron Eisenpress, City U of NY
    (AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET, or AFECU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU on the Internet)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: Rail Maps in General (was Re: Rail Maps - Wisc,Mich)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:23:58 GMT

BPorter@world.std.com (Barry M Porter) writes:

>the BEST, imho, are the 7.5 minute series from the US geologic survey...
>ESPECIALLY if you like abandoned railroad rights of way...AND they are
>usually the most accurate in showing current railroad "maps"

>These are usually available at local RR shows, or the US Government sells them,

Last time I had occasion to order USGS maps (during March), the USGS prices
were as follows:

	7.5 minute series (1:62500 scale)		$2.50
	2 degree * 1 degree series (1:100000 scale)	$4.00

Several other variants are available.

These maps are real bargains, considering their level of usefulness.  Many
retailers sell USGS maps but add a small markup.  Rand McNally is one
retailer that has stores in Chicago, New York and other large cities.  Their
markup is between 50 cents and a dollar per map.  If you're in a hurry, this
can be worth it, as opposed to waiting the six weeks or so that the USGS
takes to process an order.
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Marshall)
Subject: Re: It's hard to love a GE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:18:48 GMT

--
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John Marshall, III                           jmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

     "Hey, Bungalow Bill, what did you kill, Bungalow Bill?" - The Beatles
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From: larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Paul Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SP/SF merger paint scheme spotted
Keywords: Kodachrome, Santa Fe
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:45:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Probably the most kodachrome units can be found on the new TP&W.  When they
spun off of Santa Fe a couple of years ago, they took quite a few Kodachrome
GP-20's with them.  Most are still running around in this red and yellow 
paint, with the SF or SP blocked out.  They have a small logo for TP&W on 
their short hood nose.  



				Paul Larsen