From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Organization: VTT
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:08:31 GMT

In article <Jan26.204213.24625@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> irakliot@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>...
>And there are no ethnic minorities in Greece, according to US Dept of State
>and other respectable sources of information. 

>Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
>Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
>Colorado State U
>(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab

The CIA differs with you.  The following are exerpts from the section on
Greece in the CIA World Fact book (Public domain, no copyright).


||***The Project Gutenberg Etext of the 1992 CIA World Factbook***
||*****This file should be named world92a.txt or world92a.zip*****

||Official release date:  August 31, 1992   (This is a test copy).

Release date by Project Gutenberg, not the CIA.

||Project Gutenberg and Replicator Technology Are Trademarks (TM).

||The Project Gutenberg Etext of the 1992 CIA World Factbook

The CIA World Factbook was written in 1991 and released towards the 
end of that year.

||....
||GREECE

||GEOGRAPHY
||Land boundaries: 1,228 km total; Albania 282 km, Bulgaria 494 km,
||Turkey 206 km, Yugoslavia 246 km

Note the border is listed as still with Yugoslavia.

||Disputes: complex maritime and air (but not territorial) disputes
||with Turkey in Aegean Sea; Cyprus question; Macedonia question with
||Bulgaria and Yugoslavia; Northern Epirus question with Albania

CIA believed Greece has dispute about Macedonia with both Bulgaria and
Yugoslavia.

||PEOPLE
||Population: 10,042,956 (July 1991), growth rate 0.2% (1991)

||...
||Ethnic divisions: Greek 98%, other 2%; note--the Greek Government
||states there are no ethnic divisions in Greece

CIA indicates there are ethnic minorities in Greece (2% ~= 200,000).
It also mentions the Greek govt. claim that none such exist.  Leo Irakliotis
obviously is using the official Greek position.

||Religion: Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%

||Language: Greek (official); English and French widely understood

No "Macedonian" is listed.

||GOVERNMENT
||Long-form name: Hellenic Republic

Note that the official name of the country is not what we normally use
in English.  The Greeks could certainly (continue to?) use another name
when refering to the country of Macedonia.

||Administrative divisions: 51 departments (nomoi,
||singular--nomos); Aitolia kai Akarnania, Akhaia, Argolis,
||Arkadhia, Arta, Attiki, Dhodhekanisos, Drama, Evritania,
||Evros, Evvoia, Florina, Fokis, Fthiotis, Grevena, Ilia,
||Imathia, Ioannina, Iraklion, Kardhitsa, Kastoria, Kavala,
||Kefallinia, Kerkira, Khalkidhiki, Khania, Khios, Kikladhes,
||Kilkis, Korinthia, Kozani, Lakonia, Larisa, Lasithi,
||Lesvos, Levkas, Magnisia, Messinia, Pella, Pieria, Preveza,
||Rethimni, Rodhopi, Samos, Serrai, Thesprotia, Thessaloniki,
||Trikala, Voiotia, Xanthi, Zakinthos

I included this to note that Macedonia is not listed as an
administrative division.  Is Macedonia, Greece a province which
is at a higher level than the "nomoi"?  [If so, why didn't the CIA list
the provinces???]  Which provinces are included in Macedonia?  (I know
Thessaloniki is, but what else?)

||Constitution: 11 June 1975

Does this constitution give as strong guarantees about not attacking
neighbors as the Macedonian Republic's does?

||Diplomatic representation: Ambassador Christos ZACHARAKIS; Chancery
||at 2221 Massachusetts Avenue NW, Washington DC 20008; telephone (202)
||667-3168; there are Greek Consulates General in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago,
||Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco, and a Consulate in New Orleans;

Info provided in case anyone in the US wishes to obtain official
information from the Greek Government.

||Economic aid: US commitments, including Ex-Im (FY70-81), $525
||million; Western (non-US) countries, ODA and OOF bilateral commitments
||(1970-88), $1.35 billion

It sounds like they are assured of US support, so need not fear the
roaring of the mouse (Macedonian Republic).

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doug foxvog     
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