HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Democratic Campaign Song
Keywords: Try Not To Inhale While Singing This Song
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.143858.20081@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>		Democratic Campaign Song
>
>	(sung to the tune of "Little Brown Jug")
>
>	Ha Ha Ha
>	He He He
>	Don't you think it's fu-un-ny?
>
>	When we get in
>	We get in
>	We'll bust the budget once again.
>
>	If you don't mind
>	You don't mind
>	Let us screw you one more time.
>
>	We tax and spend
>	Tax and spend
>	Cause saving money is a sin.
>
>	We'll use it up
>	Use it up
>	Do you think we give a f**k?
>
>	Ha Ha Ha
>	He He He
>	Just Give Us Your Mo-on-ney!
>
>
>					Compliments of,
>
>					Gerard Vignes

Well, Gerard, there you go again.

I appreciate humorous posts, but they should have to pass some sort
of cleverness criterion.  Perhaps this hurdle is slightly lower
with you.


--
"I wish I could vote for you a hundred times"
"You can . . . just kidding."
			-- _Bob Roberts_
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1992Sep9.220222.17568@oracle.us.oracle.com>
	<1992Sep10.191059.21670@s1.gov>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:57:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.191059.21670@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

   In article <1992Sep9.220222.17568@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
   >In article <1992Sep9.034609.25077@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

   @ 	Well, Slick Willie had a much better excuse for draft-dodging
   @ than Danny Boy, who was a gung-ho hawk in his college and NG years. He
   @ didn't like the war, while Danny Boy did.

   >So it's OK for him to use his rich family connections so that someone
   >else had to go?

	   Just like Danny Boy?

It has been repeatedly shown that the guard unit that Quayle joined had
more than enough openings and family influence was irrelevant.  These
reports come from the commander of the Indiana National Gurad at the
time.


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From: boyd@ansjem.anes.tulane.edu (Victoria L Boyd PhD)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 09:13:09 CDT
Organization: Consultant
Reply-To: "Boyd, Victoria L" <boyd@tmc.tulane.edu>
Distribution: us
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article (David Veal) writes:
> [deleted stuff]
> 
>      But I'm not particularly concerned.  I've got a stack of letters to
> send to my Senator (read: Sleaze-bag Gore) telling him to get his ass back
> to Congress where I'm paying him to be.
> 
> >tag@ecn.purdue.edu
> 
> ========================================================================
> | David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
> |             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
> ========================================================================
> 

Maybe Bush and Quayle should get their butts back to the White House and start trying
to figure a way out of the deficit while still trying to buy votes with his handouts
to special interest groups.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Victoria L Boyd PhD

boyd@vax.anes.tulane.edu
From: ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Bush plan on Health Care ?
Summary: need text or citation
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:26:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.

[I posted this earlier this week on alt.politics.bush. One
 fellow answered with a brief description. I'd still rather
 have a citation. Sorry for the cross-posting /DDD]

On the McLaughlin Group [last Sunday] I heard (I think)
M. Kondrake state that Pres. Bush had a health care
proposal 'out there'. 

Well, I checked the UMD ftp site, and I don't see it.

Does anyone have a text or a citation?

Thanks. Please don't post any me-too's; they 
just clutter things up to make a negliable point.

Thanks.

Dave Davis, ddavis@ma30.bull.com
These are my opinions & activities alone

QOTD:

      ... How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
      To have a thankless child!
                                           King Lear 1.4.272-286
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Cramer's putatively taped eyeglasses
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:09:29 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <12352@optilink.UUCP>, brad@optilink.UUCP (Brad Yearwood) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.202843.8499@fico.uucp>, ala@fico.uucp writes:
> ##In article <12251@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ##Sorry, but I have NEVER taped my classes back together
# #                    ^^^^^
# # I know an eye witness that used to work with you that says you do.
# # 
# 
# Having known Cramer for # 18 years, I can't say that I recall taped eyeglasses
# as a particularly prominent characteristic.
# 
# Maybe Cramer did on some particular day need to tape his glasses, and doesn't
# remember this.  If this were only for a day or so -- one-hour opticians are
# a relatively recent phenomenon, and in my experience they're more like one-day
# opticians -- then it is remarkable that this vision was so indelibly seared
# into the memory of your informant.  We myopes live in constant mortal terror
# of being deprived of vision by a simple mechanical failure, and it is
# reasonable to assume that an incident of near-blinding might be so unpleasant
# as to demand repression from conscious recall.
# 
# Brad Yearwood   brad@optilink.com   {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad
# Petaluma, CA

Nope, it's not myopia that's why I wear the glasses -- it's to
keep the mind control signals from the planet Xenon out of my brain. 

:-) for the humor-impaired.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
There can be no peace as long as AB 2601 lives.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Top 10: Why Bush should be baseball commissioner
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:08:35 CDT


Top 10 Reasons Bush should be the new baseball commissioner
-----------------------------------------------------------

10. No Congress to deal with.

9.  He won't be asked to make any decisions.

8.  He can bail out his other son for a change.

7.  Someone has to bounce out the first ball of the season.

6.  He won't let Willie Horton play in the majors.

5.  He'll need a new job come January.

4.  Danny needs the connection to a job as batboy.

3.  He'll try not to throw up on the Mariners owner.

2.  He'll use force, if necessary, to get the Cubs out of the East.

1.  The "Draft Clinton" movement is bound to fail.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Bush vs the Repulican Congress
Date: 8 Sep 1992 16:26:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

In an article in the Houston Post this Sunday, it claims that in a recent
investigation into voting by the Republicans in congress, the Republicans are
also not voting with the President. One of those is our own beloved, boring,
Phil Gramm.

So Bush doesnt really have a problem with the "Democrats" in Congress, he has a
problem with Congress! 

I agree with Bush, it is time to clean house!

(The White House!)


John R. Cobarruvias
NASA/JSC
 
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:43:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep9.060132.26685@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> In article <12159@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <183397@pyramid.pyramid.com>, rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener) writes:
> >> In article <12106@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ## # increase regulation on businesses
# 
# ## Name a regualtion.
# 
# #Airbags.  5 mph bumpers.  Helmet laws (whoops, that screws with
# #individuals).  Low income housing requirements.  Building codes
# #(see how well they worked in Florida?)
# 
# 	Such things as airbags and 5 mph bumpers and building codes
# are for safety purposes. How do you propose to handle _that_, O
# Claytoon, in the absence of government regulation? To discover that
# one's car is unsafe when it is too late?

Neither airbags or 5 mph bumpers were adopted because of hidden
safety defects.  Airbags were adopted because most people in
America are too stupid to use their seat belts.   They are less
effective than seat belts, and more expensive.  I use my seat
belts ALL the time, and resent being forced to pay for air bags
on new cars.

The 5 mph bumpers were adopted to save insurance companies money.
They are NOT a safety issue, and never were.

In any case, I demonstrated that Tener doesn't know what he talking
about when he denies that liberals support more regulation.

# 	I'm not saying that government regulation should be there just
# for the Tartarus of it; I think a case can be made for eliminating
# _some_ kinds of regulation and simplifying others (like specifying
# goals to be achieved instead of doing micromanagement).
# 
# 	O Claytoon, I know how much you would like to be rid of
# anti-discrimination regulations, especially those that prohibit
# discrimination against gay people, but I'm not sure if you would enjoy
# it if a lot of businesses in your favorite residential area started
# discriminating against WASP's.

If that started to happen, I would have to wonder a little about
the businesses in question, because it would mean that they didn't
want to make money.  In any case, if I'm not wanted, I'll go where
I am wanted, instead of merely tolerated because the law requires
it.  I shudder to think of the service I would get in an establishment
that didn't want me there.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Clinton and Research Cuts
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:06:56 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette


	Bill Clinton claims he will cut taxes,
	balance the budget, and increase social spending.

	We all know those are empty campaign promises,
	but we also know that Clinton and Gore are
	hostile to technology and research spending.

	If you've not yet done so,
	please register to vote.
	There's still time.

	When election day comes,
	please get out and vote.
	It's your right AND your duty.

	A non-vote is NOT a form of protest;
	it's a clear signal that you're happy with things
	just the way they are, and you really don't care anyway.

	Don't stay home that day just because you're disgusted,
	and let a pitifully small percentage of people
	determine our nation's future.

						Gerard Vignes

-- 

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:18:33 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>I would be happiest of all if homosexuals stopped trying to involve
>the government in telling consenting adults what they may do in
>private.

This from an individual who just threatened to forward posting to a
Christian fanatic, who would use these postings for political purposes
so as to tell "consenting adults what they may do in private".

Oh, my, how reality can be stretched to meet one's immediate needs ...

-- richard


-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:20:42 GMT

In <ART.92Sep10121700@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.065717.16708@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>[...]
>   Furthermore, Clinton had NO powerful insider connections.  News flash.
>   Clinton was some average guy, with no multi-millionaire parents who
>   could exercise influence.

>Oh?  How about his rich uncle and Judge Hill who were using all their
>influence to get him into the Navy Reserve?  Ah, I see, they weren't his
>parents.  Makes all the difference.

Hello, McFly!  No, the difference is he didn't enter the Navy Reserve.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1992 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Brady Anderson 1992 AL MVP
Vote Clinton/Gore '92.  
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From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: I want Line-Item Tax Allocations for me (Was: Run conservatives, run..)
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:04:21 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <12158@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.100740@wsl.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:

>> |> You engage in ad hominem attacks, rather than answer the question.
>> |> Mike has repeatedly taken the liberal position: support for the
>> |> continued operation of the National Endowment for the Arts, more
>> |> government spending on education, opposition to private schools,
>> |> etc.

And you continue to distort my position. Here it is:

	1) I think the NEA contributes to what makes our culture
	   civilized. However, I recognize that people like Clayton
	   would rather not have their tax dollars go to this 
	   organization. Fine. How about we have a line-item
	   tax allocation system? You fund your christian schools,
	   I'll fund the NEA. Do you have a problem with this?

	2) Gov't spending on education has gone up in constant
	   dollars over the past couple of decades and yet, the
	   results are less than heartening. I don't believe that
	   more money is the answer, I think the distribution process
	   needs to change. I also believe the bureaucracy needs to 
	   be dismantled. However, I do not believe vouchers are the
	   way to do this.

	3) I don't oppose private schools. I just don't believe under
	   the present system that the gov't should be funding
	   religious education. However, I'm willing to compromise.
	   You give me a voucher to fund the NEA and I'll let you
	   have a voucher to fund your christian school. (Yeah, my
	   taxes already fund the NEA, but the percentage of the total
	   taxes I pay is a joke. Your voucher will be a much higher
	   ratio of your total; that's the ratio I want.)	

>> It is interesting that if the NEA were abolished we would be the only
>> "first world country" where the federal gov't did not fund art.
>
>Big deal.  We are also one of the few first world countries without
>an established religion.

Non-sequitur.

>> Of course we could take the money from the NEA to fund Bread and
>> Circuses if you like.  Although we probably don't need that as we
>> have CBS/NBC/ABC/TNT/USA and the rest of the mind pap out there.

>If you want NEA, YOU fund it.

With MY tax dollars...

								MPA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:27:25 GMT

drm@esl.com (Don McGregor ) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.161635.10593@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com  
>(joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>> 
>>    Sue Voter in Peoria: "I'd like to vote for Clinton, but I don't think 
>>    we've really gotten to the bottom of this 1969 draft issue."
>> 
>> Yeah, right.

>  Joe Sixpack in Duluth:  "I'd like to vote for Clinton, but he has a  
>history of being a slippery guy who's out for himself.  If he manipulated  
>the system to avoid all military duty, why should I believe he has the  
>moral courage to make hard decisions as president? Bad decisions at 18 are  
>one thing, but it looks to me like he's lying through his teeth about the  
>specifics of the draft issue and his motivations for avoiding it even  
>now." 

J. Quentin Public in Buffalo: "I'd like to vote for Bush but he has a history
of, well, doing not much in his first four years. If he manipulated the
system to avoid taking any responsibility for anything negative that
happened in the last four years, why should I believe that he has suddenly
found that courage in this election year? Bad decisions for four years is
one thing but it looks like he's doing everything to avoid having to take
even PARTIAL responsiblity for the state of the economy. Clinton may not
be great but I trust that he will do more in his four years than blame
everybody else. It looks like Bush is lying through his teeth about the
specifics of his spending cuts (he won't touch Social Security and Medicare)."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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CLARKSON '95				    Canada's health care system. Only 
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU  	    Americans seem to."   
A PC-HATING, PRO-LIFE, LIBERAL CARD-CARRYING ACLU MEMBER	---anonymous
						
"We are not descended from fearful men...not men who feared to write, to
speak, to associate and to defend causes which were for the moment 
unpopular."		---Edward R Murrow

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Seizures, stops and searches (was: Political Parties in the U.S.)
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:29:32 GMT


In article <d6pnnnf.feustel@netcom.com>, 
feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) said:

> Police response to a refusal to allow a search is often to use the
> refusal as probable cause for a search warrant; they detain you
> until they get a signed search warrant from a cooperative judge.

Have there been any cases wherein this practice was challenged and
upheld by a court?  If so, what court(s)?

(I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear of documented incidents in
which the police have taken a "No, you may not search this vehicle" as
their cue to detain the driver and vehicle by the side of the road for
ridiculous periods, to send for a sniffer dog to check out the car, to
engage in dialogue like "Well, you can give us permission now or we
can get a search warrant... do you really want to put us to all that
trouble?" [spoken in a very politely menacing manner], et nauseating
cetera, but I'm not sure that I believe without citations that any
court of appeals has ever upheld the use of refusal to consent
voluntarily search as constituting, in and of itself, probable cause
for a search warrant.)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Accusations
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 02:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.225939.29228@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.221731.16824@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
>Livni) writes:

>|>I notice that you have not bothered to refute my other arguments and
>|>you now jump around looking for something - anything - to throw back.
>
>It was probably long and boring and I couldn't be bothered to read it all.

I have just read your entire followup to my post.  I found it not only
long and boring, but entirely irrelevant.  No need to refute anything.

Some of the more immature posters have to be told not to post if they
have nothing to contribute.  Do we have to remind you, too?

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Sweden 
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:24:51 CDT


In article <1992Sep13.232522.16117@anasazi.com>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
> Keywords: 
> 
> In article <CINDY.92Sep13201431@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
> ]Re: Swedish 75% interest rate shocker.
> ]
> ]It has been called to my attention that i forgot to mention an
> ]important detail.  I hate when i do that!
> ]
> ]The 75% interest rate is the one-day, bank-to-bank interest rate.
> ]The normal interest rate for long term loans, such as normal consumer
> ]or business loans, remains in the 25% range - high but not nearly
> ]as high as some would apparently have you believe.  The purpose of
> 
> 25% is an enormously high interest rate! It is certainly indicative
> of some sort of problem. And, having to intervene with something
> as rude as a 75% interest rate indicates some sort of problem with
> the currency, or a central government that has wierd ideas about
> how currency markets should be treated.

At least they did not resort to "Wage and Price Controls" like Dick Nixon did.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc