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From: keele@skyfox
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,alt.hypnosis
Subject: RE: Neuro-Linguistic Programming (FAQ)
Date: 14 DEC 92 15:54:04 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

In a previous article, tgee@alfred.carleton.ca (Travis Gee) wrote:

> Christopher Sharpley
>reviews all the research on NLP up to 1987. It's _not_ very
>supportive. Maybe there's new work that's been done that gets reported
>in later issues, but I don't have the references. But, based on the 
>literature that I _have_ read thus far, I wouldn't give good odds.

Although the empirical literature so far has been inconsistent, practitioner 
experience and case study has shown NLP to be potentially a valuable tool.

Most of the research done to date has focused soley on "parts" of the NLP 
model (ie. preferred referential systems, eye movements, etc.), which is 
typical of the scientific model. However, as a therapeutic technique, NLP is a 
"Gestault" if you will, or the whole is more than the sum of it's parts. 
Little if any empirical research has been done in the context of examining NLP 
technique as a whole, thereby missing the interaction of its parts.

Before NLP can be dismissed as a commercial cash cow without substance, it is 
imparitive that it be examined as a whole, and in the type of setting in which 
it is meant to be applied. However, it must be kept in mind that clincial 
judgment is notoriously difficult to measure.


///Ross

A. Ross Keele                 | Keele@Sask.Usask.CA
Dept. of Psychology           | 46 Arts Building
University of Saskatchewan    | (306) 966-6696
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Psychology and Interrogation
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<00724175210@elgamy.jpunix.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:29:38 GMT

In article <00724175210@elgamy.jpunix.com> elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric
Lee Green) writes:

   You first train compliance for simple tasks. Then you gradually
   train compliance for more and more complex tasks. Eventually -- and
   it will take quite some time -- you train compliance for
   intellectual tasks. Then you're ready to tackle the question of
   obtaining information from him. It is always possible to train a
   human being in compliance. With some human beings, however, it
   takes much longer than with others. It may take as long as six
   months with a particularly resistant highly-trained individual.

Have you any support for this rather remarkable statement?  Are you
really stating that ANY individual can be "trained" to comply with ANY
order in six months?  Is there any data to support this?

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: cravener@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Patty Cravener)
Subject: Re: Q for newsgroup splitters
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec1.154001.14638@rtsg.mot.com> macko@rtsg.mot.com (Terri Macko) writes:
>In article <ROLFL.92Nov26161352@ulrik.uio.no> rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes:
>>
>>To follow this tread: I'd like to see sci.psychology split into:
>>
>>	sci.psychology.cognitive
>>	sci.psychology.biological
>>	sci.psychology.developmental
>>	sci.psychology.social
>>	sci.psychology.personal
>>	sci.psychology.clinical
>>	sci.psychology.misc
>>	sci.psychology.basic
>>
>I would rather see sci.psychology split this way rather than create more
>alt. groups.  I have no access to alt groups, so when sci.psychology 
>threads are moved into alt groups I lose out.  In fact, sci.psychology 
>is becoming less and less a newsgroup that I can benefit from.
>-- 
>Terri Macko,  Motorola Cellular		1501 W. Shure Drive, IL27-2237

good idea, but I doubt that many of the current newgroup
readers are able to distinguish the listed specialties...
It would be a more interesting newsgroup if participants were better
informed, but attempting to force a fact by hopeful division would
be an exercise futility...
(yes, sometimes I do wonder why I read it).....................PC


k

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk 
Subject: people suffering from depression - let's share some info!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  bad experience with"treatments"
Organization: Aston University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:13:00 GMT

I found also that a number of people (including me) had a bad experience, 
getting extreme side effects etc.....

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: aa.elden@avh.unit.no@avh.unit.no (ke Elden)
Subject: EEG
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:28:14 GMT
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Could someone please help me about this:
  I am a student in psychology and I`m writing on my master
degree. I have my interest in the field of cognitive/neuro-
psychology and I`m going to do a research prosject about
brainmapping and eyemovements in a comparison between dyslexic
and non-dyslexic persons (n=20, 10 in the experimental-group
and 10 in the control-group).
  Then I figured out; is there a connection between electric
brainactivity and eyemovements?
The setting are measured with EEG (Bio-logic Brainatlas II)
and using 21 electrodes using the 10/20 system (Jasper, 1958).
If there is a connection in what kind of spectre should I
look?
  Galaburda have found something strange in posterior
pareital areas in the dyslexics, should I then look in the
alpha or lower beta spectre?
  What is lamda-waves, is it particular a dyslexic phenomena?
Have have also looked at the research-studies of F.Duffy
and R.John, but I havnt found something useful for my project
yet.

Equipement:
Biologic Brain Atlas II and
Permobil Meditech Ober2,eyemovements.

The experimental settings are:
The test person are using a pair of glasses (infrared), which
measures eyemovements looking at a pc-screen where he sees
different kind of objects moving in the X and Y-axes. While
the person do this I`m going to measure the EEG.
What do you think about that?

I hope someone will answer!

















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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: MILLERM@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject: Searching for relatives in Argentina
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 20:25:43 EST

 
 
In soc.roots I wrote:
 
>I  also  am looking for relatives in Argentina, last known to be in
>Buenos Aires.  The family name was Wiszniewski, could be spelled
>Vishnevsky or many other ways.  The name was originally Besdin, and
>the family came from Kossovo, Belarus, formerly in the USSR.
>
>Thanks for any ideas!
 
I received the following answer:
 
>Recuerdo un profesor de psicologia que tuviera mi esposa en los 70 en
>La Plata con un apellido similar, de origen judio, y creo que de
>Belarus, una persona muy inteligente y preparada, pero eso es todo lo
>que puedo aportar.  Buena suerte !
 
Apparently there was a psychology professor by this name in La Plata in
1970.  Can anyone give me any more information.  The head of this family,
which I believe was a large one, was my grandmother's brother.
 
Please email me at:
 
millerm@suvm.BITNET
millerm@suvm.cat.syr.edu
 
Happy holidays,
 
Martin Miller
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Histamine levels and Schizophrenia
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 11:05:35 EST

In article <1992Dec9.152537.5610@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>Where's the proof that some forms of schizophrenia are not related
>(either a cause of, or a result of) abnormally small or large levels
>of histamine in the body?  And just because most of the researchers
>in schizophrenia are focusing their efforts elsewhere, does that
>automatically mean that whatever Pfeifer is doing is worthless?

The burden of proof is on the claimant, not the sceptic.  If Pfieffer
or others claim that schizophrenia is caused by high levels of
histamine in the body, then the burden of proof is on them.  Case
histories, as compelling as they may be, are one of weakest kinds of
evidence in support of an etiologic hypothesis.  Schizophrenia is a
common illness; why not just get histamine levels on 100 schizophrenic
individuals and compare them to a suitable control group?  I'm unaware
of anyone doing such an experiment (which is not to say it hasn't
been done).  Read ANYTHING else on schizophrenia.  For example, review
the section on Biology of Schizophrenia in the compendious
_Psychopharmacology: The Third Generation of Progress_  edited by H.Y.
Meltzer.  Look in the index under schizophrenia - no entry for
histamine.  Look in the index under histamine - no entry on
schizophrenia.  What does this suggest to you?

My comment that biologic research on schizophrenia isn't focusing
on histamine doesn't prove anything.  But it does suggest that 
schizophrenia researchers don't presently consider it a productive
path of inquiry.  And like any other researchers, they aren't
knowingly running down blind alleys or ignoring the writing on the
wall.


================================================================= 
mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: doylemw@ccs.csus.edu
Subject: Re: Advice for a new parent
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.111919.9374@iscsvax.uni.edu>, jacobson5821@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> My wife and I have a one month old daughter.  I would like any advice on how my
> wife and I can help our daughter grow up as a psychologically healthy women.  I
> would especially be interested in advice that could help us act as parents that
> can nurture our little girl in positive ways.  Thanks in advance, Paul
> Jacobson.
>                         
> email me at JACOBSON5821@iscsvax.uni.edu
> 
>                                 Thanks again,
>                                                 Paul
Hugs...lots and lots of hugs.

 

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: cravener@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Patty Cravener)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "shrink"...
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec2.192731.219@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Daniel.J.Blumenfeld@dartmouth.edu (Daniel J. Blumenfeld) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the origin of the term "shrink" (as used to describe
>a psychiatrist)?  When and where did the term arise from?
>
>Dan Blumenfeld
>Dartmouth Medical School

You might have better luck posting this query in the Urban Legends
newsgroup.......
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)
Subject: Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming (FAQ)
Followup-To: sci.psychology,alt.hypnosis
Summary: Yes, cliquishness is inimical to the search for truth.  
Keywords: NLP  NeuroLinguistic Programming
Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.211538.15550@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu 
      (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>If NLP advocates really want NLP to be taken seriously, they are going
>to have to do considerably better than this.  So Faulkner is a
>charismatic therapist, does a mind-blowing demonstration, so what?  Its
>like Uri Geller at SRI bending spoons.  Why can't (or why don't) NLP
>advocates take some pieces of the theory and subject them to reasonable
>experiment, and verify its claims with some basic outcome research?
>They say, in effect: "it works, you prove it."  If you wanna be in the
>mainstream, you gotta know how to swim. 

Agreed.  

When seeking knowledge and understanding, it is unwise for any group to
become so cliquish that they believe they don't even have to know about
anyone else's investigations.  

If NLPers want scientific recognition (which apparently most of them
don't) then they will have to be willing to do scientific research using
generally accepted methodology.  

And if academic clinical psychologists want to be able to credibly claim
to offer effective training for therapists and want to have a
reputation among the general public for actually doing effective
therapy, then they will have to be willing to at least look at what
alternative therapies -- especially NLP -- are offering.

I think that one of the things that may lead to progress in this respect
is the attempt by professional therapists to get state legislatures to
outlaw any unlicensed practice of therapy, no matter what guise it is
offered under.  So far, from what I know, the legislatures are simply
rejecting out of hand the unsupported claims by professional psychologists
that what they offer is superior.  Eventually, though, I think people are
going to starting wanting to know whether there's any real truth to such
claims, and at that point academics are going to be forced to do some
really good scientific comparison studies between conventional therapies
and alternative approaches.  

--
It is a poor sort of skepticism which merely delights in challenging
those claims which conflict with one's own belief system.  
                                                          --Bogus quote 
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu         lady@uhunix.bitnet
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,alt.hypnosis
From: gj169883@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 169883)
Subject: Research for Guatemalan refugees
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:32:46 GMT

  If anyone has any suggestions as to psychological research that would be
beneficial to Guatemalan displaced peoples then I would appreciate
hearing of them as I hope to accompany some of these communities on
their return in the new year.

  Thanks for your help.

  Colin Rowat
  gj169883
  Department of Psychology
  Carleton University
From: deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu (deltaur)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Psychology and Interrogation
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:09:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec19.100943.9137
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


 
Hello,

I am doing a report and would like to know what is the most devious act
you have done in your lifetime.  It could be of any nature(sexual, physical.
..etc) as long as it is an actual TRUE event.  

Please email me your reply at deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu and if I
get enough replies, I will combine them (making them anonymous) and post
them here.

thanks.
deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming (FAQ)
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<1992Dec10.053512.18233@samba.oit.unc.edu>
	<DLB.92Dec11131331@fanny.wash.inmet.com>
	<1992Dec13.211538.15550@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:48:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.211538.15550@newstand.syr.edu>
mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:

   In article <DLB.92Dec11131331@fanny.wash.inmet.com>
   dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
   >   Additionally, last spring, Charles Faulkner, NLP Trainer, offered a
   >   day of his services to demonstrate the cure if someone else would
   >   supply the clients and write the paper.  (This fall, when I posted
   >   a query about that offer, I did receive a response from a
   >   statistician who volunteered his services in the case that I heard
   >   anything.  I heard nothing else from that query.)
   >
   >This is a MUCH better experiment, and I would be glad to hear its
   >results.  (Note: without more information, I don't know if it is a
   >really good one).

   If NLP advocates really want NLP to be taken seriously, they are going
   to have to do considerably better than this.  So Faulkner is a
   charismatic therapist, does a mind-blowing demonstration, so what?  Its
   like Uri Geller at SRI bending spoons.  Why can't (or why don't) NLP
   advocates take some pieces of the theory and subject them to reasonable
   experiment, and verify its claims with some basic outcome research?
   They say, in effect: "it works, you prove it."  If you wanna be in the
   mainstream, you gotta know how to swim. 

You know, your last response was considerably better than this one.
There is simply not enough information here to figure out what the
proposed experiment is, and what the controls would be.  I state this
rather directly.  It is considerably better than the one previously
proposed, which took a single procedure, in isolation, administered
without some of the basic skills involved.

I do not dispute (for a minute) that, if "NLP advocates" want to
scientifically prove their theories, they must 1) state them in a
refutable form, and 2) provide a properly designed, peer-reviewed
experimental procedure that tests the appropriate hypothesis.  In
fact, not many "NLP advocates" have the combination of the training
and inclination to do this.

This does not change the fact that accredited, practicing clinicians
are teaching and using NLP on a daily basis.  Those who give a damn
may take the two facts (lack of research support, continued use and
teaching by practicing clinicians) and make of them what they will.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: madavis@nmsu.edu (Mark Davis)
Subject: eeg amplifiers
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:06:11 GMT


greetings,

i'm looking for pinouts for a snazzy little EEG amplifier 
manufactured by AW Consultronics, formerly of Covina, CA,
though apparently having moved recently.

the model number is 2726.  if anyone has info on the unit
itself or can provide the phone number for the company
it would be greatly appreciated.

mark

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: thom@cac.washington.edu (Thom Roholt)
Subject: Information Needed
Keywords: Manic Depression, Bi-polar disorder, lithium
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:18:18 GMT

I am trying to educate myself on Manic Depression/Bi-Polar Disorder and
Lithium and it effects (side and on the psychological disorder).  I would
really, really appreciate anyone who has sources or could give me
information themselves to relay this to me.

Thanks in advance,

Thom Roholt
thom@nwnet.net
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: EEG
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:37:43 GMT

aa.elden@avh.unit.no@avh.unit.no (Eke Elden) writes:


>Could someone please help me about this:

>  Then I figured out; is there a connection between electric
>brainactivity and eyemovements?

Yes, most definitely.  I suggest you survey the literature about
Dr. Stephen LaBerge's work with lucid dreaming and the EEG.

>Equipement:
>Biologic Brain Atlas II and
>Permobil Meditech Ober2,eyemovements.

>The experimental settings are:
>The test person are using a pair of glasses (infrared), which
>measures eyemovements looking at a pc-screen where he sees
>different kind of objects moving in the X and Y-axes. While
>the person do this I`m going to measure the EEG.
>What do you think about that?

>I hope someone will answer!

I think that a much more interesting project would involved
monitoring eyemovements of subjects in various levels of altered
states such as REM, meditation, sleep patterns, etc.

How do the infrared glasses work?

I have been following LaBerge's work at Stanford sleep lab and
now have his famous "DreamLight" lucid dream induction device.
The sleep mask monitors REM activity and delivers a light "cue"
at an optimum time during the dreamstate.  The cue becomes internalized
into the dream imagery.  The trained observer can pick out this clue
and realize that he is experiencing a dream.  Once this realization
occurs the lucid dreamer then sends a signal with per-arranged
eye movements back to the lab.  At this point various mind-body
relationshiops to actual activies in the dreamstate are noted.

Sounds like you have what you need to investigate this phenomena.
LaBerge did his doctorate on it.

Another useful/interesting correlation between EEG and eyemovements
can be found in biofeedback and consciuosness technology (brain
machines).  Are you familiar with this work?

Alphalab puts our a produce called the DreamWave which uses a
biofeedback loop to deliver prescribed brain wave patterns using
light&sound brain machines and the EEG.   Check this out!

















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>Department of Psychology           fax: +47 7 59 19 20
>University of Trondheim,           email:aa.elden@avh.unit.no 
>  ****   
>   ''   Have a nice day!            
>  \__/
>       "Praeteria censeo coitum nimium brevem esse"       
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ramamani@engr.UVic.CA (Subramanian  Ramamani)
Subject: HELP!
Reply-To: ramamani@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:12:58 GMT



	The following are the symptoms experienced by a man. Has any one of
	you heard of such a problem? Any comments will be appreciated.
	Also, is this fibromyalgia?

	Skin dryness, visual disturbances (like diplopia), stuffy nose,
	occasional depression, patchy sores on tounge, tingling, twitching,
	and nervous irritability.

	Nervous irritability: All the above symptoms subside and exacerbate
	over a week's time. They are sensitive to things like vitamins,
	coffee, egg, etc. The symptoms improve temporarily with those things
	but relapses occur in a few days despite being on them.

	ramamani@sirius.uvic.ca