From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:44:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.220733.6812@pimacc.pima.edu> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.151342.7377@news.iastate.edu>, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>> Please note that I'm doing this editing by HAND so I can't really quote without
>> quoting huge articles. 
>> 
>> 	A previous writed wrote:
>> 
 
>> And good for the Romans! The Romans were one of the first advanced 
>
>I guess you (like the Nazis) don't mind people being persecuted as long
>as it's the *RIGHT* sort of people ,eh? You know all those that don't
>subscribe to whatever you do? Whats makes your attitude any better than
>what you accuse christians of? Don't you think it's a little immature
>to hold christians today accountable for what happened years or even
>centuries ago?

Did I say I ever wanted anyone persecuted? The line implied that the 
religion was not accepted, not that they were streched out and hacked 
in half.

>> scientific cultures(I can imagine the flames from Chinese and Greeks), 
>> and infecting their culture with a dominating religion. The multi-god
>> religion of the Romans encourged advancements in ALL fields of science.
>> (The Pope once told Stephen Hawking to cease his investigation into the
>> beginning of the Universe) 
>
>Yes , this is what Hawking allegedly *CLAIMED*! You have some evidence to 
>corroborate this claim? Or are you just accepting something because it's
>what you want to hear?

As a matter of fact, I DO have evidence. Hawking was not the only one in
the room, and the rest of the scientists attest to do. Why would he lie? He
has no reason. He said that the Pope told him it was fine to investigate the
Universe from the second after creation onward, but not to investigate creation
itsself, because that was an act of God.

>>The Roman's might have created myths to 
>> understand things, but when science uncovered the REAL reason, the people
>> believed it without question.
>
>The Romans also created one of the most corrupt & oppressive societies
>ever. This is attested to by their own historians! Oh well, some people
>still think the USSR (RIP) was something wonderful also.

Yes, they did. The Roman empire was one of the worst empires ever, and I agree
with you, BUT, the made huge scientific jumps in that time.

>> 	Oh, God...Are the Christians whining about being persecuted again?
>> 1 word for you, buddy...1 word...'Inquisition'. Think about it. Thousands
>> upon thousands of people killed. How about a 3 words acronym, too? Ok then...
>> 'BSA'. Boy Scouts of America. When I was young, I was refused from BSA
>> because I was an Athiest. Want another word? 'Jews'. In Mideval England,
>> Jews were treated like second class scum. 
>> 
>> 	Dont whine about being persecuted, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT.
>> 
>
>You should talk about whining! I never claimed that I was persecuted. I
>simply noted that the persecution had taken place. Of course this dis-
>tinction probably slipped by you. FYI, it's very possible for christians
>to still be persecuted. Iran & China are examples where people (& not just
>christians, BTW) are currently persecuted soley for their religious beliefs.
>Guess that slipped by you too.

I never whined. Persecution took place, but Christians did most of the 
persecuting. Yes, persecution of religions still takes place, and I'm against
it, but I'm no radical (PLO), because I HAVE no religion. Maybe if I wasn't
an athiest I'd care more, but I am, so I dont.

>PHIL

Good lord, is that the John Hancock affect?

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu
 


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