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From: batista@zach.fit.edu (Amina Batista)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: AnyoneSurgery
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:41:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Hi, I am new to this news group and I find it very interesting.

My son (2yrs, 8mos) will be having Bilateral Orchiopexy surgery
in one week (10/20/92).  In English, it means that the urologist
will be tying his testes down.  They are down sometimes by themselves,
but not enough according to the doctor.  The  doctor says that his
scrotum  ( ? spelling) is underdeveloped for his age.

I was wondering if anyone out there has ever had to deal with this
type of surgery.  How do you prepare a 2year old for surgery?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.  

I forgot to mention that the surgery will be done at an out patient
facility so there will be no hospital stay.

Thanks in advance...
Amina Batista
(mother of Michael 2yrs, 8mos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oyang@cs.monash.edu.au (Kai Shing O'Yang)
Subject: Crying toddler, help!
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:24:52 GMT

Hi,

	I've got a 20 month old boy and whenever we put him into his cot
(in his own room) for the night, he can cry for 2 hours (or more) until we 
pick him up to sleep in our bed. 
Apparently he got this 'bad' habit last month when he caught a nasty
cold and we decided to let him stay in our bed. He has since refused to
go anywhere near his cot.
Could anyone have any recommedations I could do?

(Things I've tried:
1. make him get asleep in our bed and then transfer him to his cot later.
Usually he wakes up at 2-3 and starting screaming until we get him back
to our bed.

2. wait for him to tired down from playing and lay him on his cot. Again,
cries.)


Thanks,
Kai
--
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- AARNET: oyang@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au         - Voice : +(61) 3 565 5778
					       - FAX :   +(61) 3 565 5146
'If one believes everything from the book, rather have no book.'
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Help avert a tragedy(smoke detectors)
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:53:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.234951.7765@u.washington.edu> wolffie@u.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1ba9hfINN2ju@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas  
>Fowler) writes:

>>      Officials also said that faulty smoke detectors have prevented at  
>least
>> a few people from awakening in time.  Please, *please*, check the  
>batteries
>> in your detectors a couple times a year.  

>How about getting them hard-wired so that they don't require batteries?
>I can think of worse ways to spend money.

Works great unless the fire starts in the wiring and it shorts out.

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Suicide missions (was Re: choking on a peanut)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 07:44:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Vicki Newton asks:
 i just can't help having this feeling sometimes, that alex's
whole purpose in life right now is to try and kill herself and my job
is to stop her.  i say that mostly humorously but can any of you relate?



I can!! Isabel (at almost 9 mos) has, as her greatest ambition right
now, hurling herself off of the highest surface possible. It would
be funny (ok, it is funny) if it weren't so scary. Changing table,
bed, whatever, we have to hold on to her *tightly* as she
attempts a great leap forward. Luckily, this particular quirk is
pretty easily controlled - since she can't get up on any of these
things by herself, it means that one of us is always there for
protection.  But she's quickly approaching the "beeline for the
top of the stairs/put strange things in mouth" stage, too. 
I comfort myself by reminding myself that most of the kids I've
known *have* made it through this age alive.

-Dena
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:31:44 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <16889@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.120925.12713@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>	Why is it that people are not willing to accept the experiences
>>	of others as being real?
>>
>Because some people have given evidence of being irrational, unreliable and
>or biased observers or otherwise cognitively impaired.
>
>
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	On a Newsgroup?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: ngivler@bbn.com (Noelle Givler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infant snowsuit questions
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:07:20 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ngivler@spca.bbn.com (Noelle Givler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: snowsuit babybag

Ah snowsuits.  We live in New England where snowsuits (or equivalents) are a
necessity from December to April.  We were given a snowsuit as a baby gift so 
the snowsuit vs. bag question was resolved by external forces.  (We certainly
weren't going to buy a baby bag when we had a perfectly good snowsuit).  The
only problem is that Laura hated getting into her snowsuit - she protested 
loudly at the beginning of the winter when it was too large, she protested 
loudly at the end of the winter when it was starting to get snug and she 
protested loudly in between.  Based on the pickup time noise level at her 
daycare, a lot of other babies felt the same way.

If I had to do it over again, I'd squelch those cheap scots ancestors and
spring for the baby bag.  Laura might have hated it just as much (she certainly
couldn't have hated it more) but at least I wouldn't have had to fight zipper 
wars with a wiggly, screaming child.

I wouldn't try to get 2 seasons out of the baby bag.  By next winter your son
will be walking.  Trying to confine a toddler to a baby bag seems like asking
for tantrums.

Noelle
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Nothing to do with BARBIE.... 
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:09:41 GMT

kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>My feeling?  Anyone ever see "Witness"?  I love the scene where the tourists
>are harassing the Amish and Harrison Ford says "Leave him alone, you're
>making a mistake," repeats this warning two more times and then slugs the
>tourist.  I like the concept of being able to defend yourself but giving the
>other person fair warning that if they don't stop, they'll later wish they
>had.

This is one of my favorite scenes, but it works both ways: part of me goes
"YEAH!  _Deck_ that f***er!!" since he _so richly_ deserves it.  But...
the other part is amazed, and maybe somewhat abashed, by the young, strapping
Amish man driving the cart, who in the unyielding strength of his convictions
 endures taunting and ice cream on his nose...while fire burns in his eyes, he 
is willing to endure stupid and unjust crap without retaliation, and it 
misses much to suggest that he is weak. It was a terrific movie for
all of these tensions.


That said, I'll confess that in grade school I also experienced a time where,
much to my horror, I lost my temper at the goading of a bully poking me
from behind and slugged him in the eye.  He threatened "I'll get you after
school!!!" and I lived in terror the rest of the day, but by golly I never
did see him or have any trouble with him after that.  
--
paul marxhausen ................................................................
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Air travel w/2 yr old!
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:54:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: octel.1992Oct14.165413.17054
Distribution: na
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Oct13.233428.2239632@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.165755.3695@island.COM> ett@island.island.COM (Ed T. Tabachini) writes:
>>I'm about to embark on a 5 hour flight with a 2 year old and a 9 month old.
>>I'm not worried about the 9 monther but the 2 year old has now officially
>>entered the "Terrible Two's!" Any advice on how I can keep him occupied? 

>We use the one new toy/hour of flight method.  Small toys are, of course,
>recommended since you have to carry these on board.  Travel magnadoodle is
>by far the best toy I've found for flights.  Other successes have been 
>book/tape combinations with a walkman, colorforms, coloring books and markers,
>kush balls (sp?), toy cars, and action figures.

We also use the toy/45 minutes of flight method.  (As you can see I changed
the timespan, really just assuming some toys would be total flops.)  The
toy that kept her attention the longest was, believe it or not, the old
99cent Silly Putty.  She could "make balls", "make snakes", bounce the
balls, flatten the balls and make copies of my crossword puzzles... I
was amazed.  Since I only alotted that toy 45 minutes to an hour, and
she was enthralled for 4 hours with it, I have left over toys for the
next trip.  (By the way, my daughter was 2 and 1/2 at the time. Today
she turns three!  Happy Birthday Alison.)

						Cathy
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Nothing to do with BARBIE.... 
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:31:59 EDT

In article <1992Oct9.160941.14867@unlinfo.unl.edu> mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu
(marxhausen paul) writes:

   > This is one of my favorite scenes, but it works both ways: part
   > of me goes "YEAH!  _Deck_ that f***er!!" since he _so richly_
   > deserves it.  But...  the other part is amazed, and maybe
   > somewhat abashed, by the young, strapping Amish man driving the
   > cart, who in the unyielding strength of his convictions
   > endures taunting and ice cream on his nose...while fire burns
   > in his eyes, he is willing to endure stupid and unjust crap
   > without retaliation, and it misses much to suggest that he is
   > weak. It was a terrific movie for all of these tensions.

I figure that there are two things going on here which represent two very
important ideas.  The obvious one is that the Amish person is showing the
strength of his convictions by sitting there and taking it.  On the other
hand Harrison Ford is saying "I will not let you take advantage of these
people like this.  I will not let you bully them because you think they
won't fight back, and maybe you'll think twice about it next time."

To me there's quite a difference between deciding to be a martyr yourself
and deciding to allow someone else to be martyred through your inaction, and
I think that was part of the point of that scene.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:32:28 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <SHAFER.92Oct15204734@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>I don't mind prayer in the schools but _I_ want to be the one who
>writes the prayer.
>
>I wonder how all the fundamentalists will feel if we mandate prayer
>and let the prayer be written by Moslems or Jews or animists or some
>other non-Protestant group.  Or the wrong Protestant group.
>
Actually, something very much like this happened here.  The Toronto
Board of Education cam up with a book of readings including material
from a number of different religious traditions. (I believe it included
Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist and possibly others.)  This
was to be read during morning opening exercises, replacing the Christian
bible reading and Lord's prayer that was required in the 60's and 70's
(when I was at school).  A number of fundamentalists objected to this--
they wanted school prayer, but only *their* prayers.  

Though I am a Christian, I don't think that there should be officially
mandated school prayer.  I was Jewish when I was in elementary school and 
the first few years of high school, and I know how it feels like to
be the one who is different.  At my kids' school, they have a moment for
silent meditation after the national anthem.  This allows theists to 
pray, atheists to philosophize and agnostics to wonder :), all without
putting pressure on anyone.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:45:42 GMT

In article <1bi1v5INNrnc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct14.184437.2950@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
>|> 
>|> Sigh, those nasty Christians, we keep scrubbing them out....  :-)
>|> How does one impose prayer?  More likely the proposal is
>|> to allow prayer, we certainly can't have that!   :-0
>
>Well, that's silly. How on earth can anyone prevent another person 
>from praying? 
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

That's right!  Remember the old saying:

    As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school.  :-)

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
From: devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Names (Don't do this to your kids)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:34:49 GMT
Distribution: usa


I love this thread, so okay twist my arm for my contribution
;*)...

My ex and I used to think up names for our future kids, our
last name was Sides.

Oliver Franklin Fremont Sides (all legit family names) = O.F.F. Sides
(my ex was a real football fan)
Herbert Aurthur Sides = Herb A. Sides
Penelope Ester = P. Estie Sides
(I sure my Aunt Ester would forgive me)
Ingrid Natalie Sides = I.N. Sides

It could go on and on... but with a name like Devon I just
couldn't be that cruel to my own kid!   ;*)


- Devon
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: What's an NST?
Keywords: test done in pregnancy
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:19:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I've seen this a couple times and don't know what it is:  an NST.
It's a test of some sort, done on pregnant women or fetuses late
in pregnancy I gather (?).  What is it?

(I even think I am scheduled for an NST on 1/20/93, a day after my
due date.)

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell)
Subject: Help! on Hiring Nanny
Keywords: nanny childcare housekeeper help
Reply-To: elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell)
Organization: "Intergraph Corp, Huntsville AL"
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:56:33 GMT


-- 

Hello fellow netting parents! I am an occaisional lurker
and now have a situation where I need hints, tips, and
advice from you all.  I have had my two boys (ages just-4 and
just-1) in on-site daycare at my former job.  The daycare
is run by a non-profit organization of the parents, and is
very good quality.  However, since I started my new job (without
on-site daycare - boo-hiss) my stress level has greatly
increased.  I don't have time to visit them during the day,
I'm rushed every morning to get them dressed, fed, and
out the door, in the evening, I'm doing laundry, supper, etc, 
and not spending time with them like I should.

So, I'm considering hiring a Nanny/Housekeeper.  It will be
somewhat more expensive than daycare.  I know there are 
down-sides (esp. for the 4 year old) with the adjustment,
loss of (literally) life-long friends for him, the educational
setting, etc.  There is also the worry of finding someone to turn
my home and children over to. 

Can some of you out there tell me of your experiences, tips
on hiring, background checking (can an ordinary citizen do a
police records check?), hints on preparing the children?

Since I can't read misc.kids very often, I'd appreciate some
e-mail at elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com.
(Of course, you can also post as well.)

Thanks so much-

ellen


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Ellen Howell                    *  "Ow: The first word spoken by children
elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com *   with older siblings."
(205)730-6873                   *                       -- Joyce Armorz
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 17:36:46 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? : -
 <1992Oct6.220730.4086@exu.ericsson.se>

well, (yes, my account is NOT dead yet!) it seems to me
from what i read of this thread that the mother in question
is pushing ONE career at the poor kid.  that doesn't work so
well.  i think the IDEA of careers is a bit better, myself.

and, so far as what i would answer?  baing married is all
very nice, if you can manage it.  not everyone GETS married,
and there is no guarantee that you will.  also being married
does not guarantee you food on the table.  you have to prepare
for a real job, then if you find someoen to marry, great.

luckily, katy has never expressed much of an interest in getting
married and all that...

i think stressing realism, and the fact that being married is
not a career and pays no money would be the tack to take.

                                       -ailsa

p.s. MISTY!!!  email me!  i can't find your address!  i was going
to answer the mail you sent, but i can't find any of it in the
printout pile!

p.p.s. which is why no one ever hears from me, by the way...  *blush*
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: Re: infant excema
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:28:48 GMT


I couple of days ago I posted asking for advice dealing with my eleven month
old daughter's excema.  I received lots of response which I very much
appreciate.  Thanks to everybody who responded.  Hannah is much better and
by using all the good advice I received from the net (and dermatologist) I
hope we can keep it under control.  

Several people mentioned using Eucerine cream.  Our dermatologist gave me a
recipe for a home-made moisturizer to use in place of Eucerine.  It's easy
to make, *much* less expensive, and appears to work as well.  Anyway here it
is:

  16oz tub of petroleum jelly (use a store brand not Vaseline)
  2 3oz bars of paraffin

  Melt petroleum jelly and 2 bars of paraffin in a coffee can sitting in a
  pan of warm water.  Stir gently to mix.  Pour into several small
  containers with lids.  

As you can imagine it's greasy and sticky, so it lasts.  And since there are
no perfumes, dyes, or preservatives it doesn't sting.

anne

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:06:17 GMT

In article <1b33tvINN9a8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) writes:
 
>
>Re: 4 year old daughter's class went down for their naps without
>having their backs rubbed...
>
>There are daycares/pre-schools who actually require 4 year olds
>to take naps?  That *must* be a challenge, since kids that age
>have so often outgrown the need for naps long ago.  My guess is
>it the teachers who need naps and therefore ask the pre-schoolers
>to do the same.
 
By law, daycares must provide a 'rest period' of two hours (more or less,
I am sure this varies from place to place).  They have to provide an
atmosphere conducive to sleeping.  So, most of these kids nap.  The
decision about nap time is not the teachers to make.
From: O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Neighborhood dangers...
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:45:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron

In article <9210131345.AA21161@panhed.psc.edu>
grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
 
>Now, in my neighborhood, Pittsburgh suburbs, there ar no dangers like
>railroad tracks, busy highways, etc.  But my neighborhood is full of
>woods and hills (Western PA).  My kids could fall and hurt themselves,
>and no one would know.  I plan to set time limits on "free play" (like
>30 minutes or something) in which they must check back at the house.
>If they are not back, I will look for them.
>
Personally, in this time and day I don't think it really matters any more
what neighborhood you live in.  Times are different and I don't think you
should let your child be alone at 10 years old in a neighborhood because
there are so many unexpected things going on with kids these days.  Even
though we, at our age, may have felt sheltered times are so different now.
We need to shelter our children a little more in these times because our
problems are different and are not getting any better.  (Example, drugs
missing children, etc.)  I don't think any neighborhood is truly safe
anymore.
 
Just my .02c.
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