From: erkam@acadia.Kodak.COM (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Turkish Teams in European Cups
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:48:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Nov6.164823.26967
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Nov5.163459.622@math.ucla.edu> dstein@vesta.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>armagan@prc.unisys.com writes:
>
>>Galatasaray - Eintracht Frankfurt (Germany): 1-0  (Galatasaray advances)
>> 5' Ugur
>>
>>This is a big upset for the only undefeated team of Deutsche Bundesliga.
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>>Olomuc Sigma (Czechoslovakia) - Fenerbahce: 7-1   (Olomuc advances)
>>
>>This is a dark day for the Turkish football. Neither the Turkish teams
>>nor the Turkish national team has faced such humiliation for years.
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>>Atletico Madrid (Spain) - Trabzonspor: 0-0  (Atletico Madrid advances)
>>
>
>  Given the good results of the other two Turkish teams, I assume 
>  something unusual happened in the game with Olomouc.  Perhaps
>  Fenerbahce just gave up after a terrible start, or maybe they
>  had players sent off the field for fauls.  In any case, Olomouc
>  is a strong team (they kicked out Hamburg last year), and I 
>  expected them to pull through.
>
>  BTW, doesn't the coach of Fenerbahce come from Czechoslovakia?
>  Venglos should be his name.  I actually heard that he said in
>  an interview that if Fenerbahce will lose in Olomouc, he might as
>  well stay in Czechoslovakia since otherwise the Istanbul crowd
>  will tear him apart.  I'm not sure if he was joking or if he
>  will really stay home after such a debacle.
>
> - David


In fact you'are right about two observations: 

1) Venglos is the coach of Fenerbahce, and his job is (really) at stake
   this time. The team management was supposed to have a meeting to discuss
   his future after the big loss to Sigma (one of the worst in the club's
   85 year history) and therefore elimination from the UEFA Cup (another loss 
   of big money considering that Fenerbahce always play their Istanbul games 
   to a sell-out crowd)

2) Something unusual (well not so unusual) happened in the game at Olomouc: 
   the referee...As far as I've heard from friends who've watched the game
   (I agree that they probably are biased) the referee had many
   controversial decisions throughout the game which definitely affected
   the score although not necessarily the victory of Sigma. Some of the 
   many calls the referee (I think he was from Portugal) made are:
   - an uncalled penalty for Fenerbahce when the score was 0-0 (the player
     had cleared all the defenders, and was facing the goalie...)
   - questionable third goal for Sigma
   - three players sent off from Fenerbahce respectively at 
     41st minute (score was 3-1) 
     72nd minute (score was 4-1)
     73rd minute (score was 4-1) 

   Considering the first leg game (won by Fenerbahce in Istanbul) which was
   totally dominated by Fenerbahce with a lot of wasted opportunities Sigma
   had not looked like a team that would come up with such a score in the
   2nd leg. For the sake of argument, Fenerbahce have defensive problems
   this year and the Turkish press was afraid of an opponent goal in the
   1st leg, and after seeing Sigma's play everybody in Turkey was claiming
   Fenerbahce were going to beat Sigma in Czechoslavakia.

   Anyway, if there is someone (neutral) on the net who's watched the game
   by any chance, I would appreciate any comments that would help to clarify
   the speculations after the game.

   Regards,

  --Murat
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