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From: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: Re: oily lanes
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 15:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I have to agree with Carl on this one. I went to the Pearl Red Hammer to
cut down on my hook, and 
now I only use it under dry conditions. I use my OLD U dot for any other
conditions. 

I just put new grips in the U dot and I can't believe the difference in
feel. 245 (1 open)
264 (1 open) 214 (2 opens) 723. Keep those grips fresh!!!
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: ..and...lift & turn & pivot & belch...and...lift & turn & pivot &.....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:05:34 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> 
** Ramblings deleted **
> 
> I was thinking about a Purple RhinoPro but it's a reactive shell
> and as anyone who's purchased a reactive shell knows, they can
> be pretty sticky on dry back ends (which is pretty normal 'round
> this area).  I had thought about a blue hammer but I was thinking
> of something alittle newer on the technological front (if you know
> what I mean)...

Gotta  say that the Purp RP is an  excellant  ball...  if you  keep it
highly  polished it will stay consistent even on dry  backends...  Had
to polish  mine in the middle of league on Monday and it  helped...  I
would it out....

> 
> I'm baffled..maybe an exotic drilling technique on a Purple RP might
> do the trick...then maybe again, maybe I'll just take up duck hunting...

If you take up duck hunting come on out here!!!

> suggestions?

Take a month off and see what kind of wonders it produces.... :-)


Dave
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:44:36 GMT

aki (aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org) wrote:
: 
: 
: Subject line sez it all folks...I now as old as I feel... :-( ....
: 
: 
: 
: *************************************************************
: Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
: The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
: Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
: PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
: *************************************************************
: All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
: *************************************************************

Happy Birthday Aki,  Maybe you will get a new bowling ball for your
special day!!! :-)  Enjoy!!!

Larry
--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
From: zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 9 Pin No-Tap Tournies.
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:31:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University


   A friend and I finally allowed curiousity to get the best of us and we
entered one of these after a Sunday evening league we're in.  One thing which
I did not know, and quickly learned, is that these tourneys are populated with
the alley's employees.  All of which bowl about as often as I eat, and for
longer periods of time.  I've talked to my father, an avid bowler for decades,
and he assures me that's been the case everywhere he's bowled as well.
   How is it this practice is allowed?  It all but renders the competitive
spirit dead, since these people win almost weekly, and anyone else who doesn't
bowl 40-50 games a week won't stand much of a chance unless they're amazingly
lucky or a prodigy.

   BTW, I did better than I expected, but of course did not place.  Five of
the top six placing bowlers that night worked for the lanes.  There were
~20 competitors this week.  Go figure.

Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
From: JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: alt.sport.bowling LIVES!
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:43:09 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1993Jan5.201408.14982@worldbank.org> aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
[...]
>EVERYBODY around here party poops?...anyway now I have:
>
>a.  a torn rotator cuff in my right shoulder
>b.  6 torn muscles in my right forearm.
>c.  tennis elbow in my right elbow.
>d.  a pulled tendon in my right ring finger.
>
>and you know what's REALLY wierd?  I bowled 6 sets of games since
>I messed up my finger and the LOWEST set I've bowled is 641!...
>
>DAMN!  I can't wait till I BREAK MY ARM!...oooOOOOoooo   900
>set here I come!
>

Wow!  What an enlightenment!  You mean the more you get hurt, the higher
your average goes?  And here I was trying to heal the ligaments in my leg.

Maybe I should visit Aki's house of pain :-)

Byby for now

Very happy that his team took first place after being _far_ behind 
just before Thanksgiving I am,

Walter
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From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday t
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:10:17 GMT

>aki (aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org) wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject line sez it all folks...I now as old as I feel... :-( ....
> 
> 
> 
> *************************************************************
> Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
> The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
> Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
> PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
> *************************************************************
> All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
> *************************************************************
>

Happy Buffday (Yes you are required to were your birthday suit today :-)

Maybe you will get that bionic prosthesis you so desperately need!

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Reactive Resin Balls
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A77740D1180C2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:20:49 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:23:52 GMT

In article <JNKST41.120.0@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU> Walter Perz, JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU
writes:
>A question about the new RR bowling balls available ...
>
>What are the inherent characteristics of this equipment?  Did I read in an 
>earlier post that these balls have more inherent "give" and allow for more 
>error while still hitting like a mack truck?  Given a conservative drilling 
>pattern, will a rather porous ball polish up nicely for when the 
>management forgets to oil the lanes?
>

Actually the reactive resin balls are just that _reactive_.   You see,
the shell or "skin" of the ball is actually _alive_.  If you look at it
very closely, you can see the skin moving...around and around and around...
..it gives me the willies....


>Thanks for your time.


natch....no problem...



ahem...ok...seriously I think the R.R. balls have been discussed before BUT
because I'm the kinda guy I am....

A "reactive resin" ball is actually a urethane compound made out of a 
secret mystery compound that only the bowling industry really knows.
The characteristics are:  

A "tacky" shell, usually soft or "rubbery feeling" in texture.
Most RR balls also do not "bite" well under oily conditions.  The "tacky" 
shell does not grip or adhere to an oily surface, but creates a tremendous
amount of friction under dry wood or synthetic lanes.  One interesting
note is that although the shell "feels" tacky and soft, the durometer
readings are not lower than most urethane 8-10 hooking power balls
(e.g. 76-78).  Also oil doesn't tend to adhere or soak into the shell
unlike most softer urethane bowling balls.

RR balls do NOT tend to make it an easier shot, contrary to what some
people may think (IMHO).  Since RR balls characteristics tend to vary
widely depending on the amount of oil/oiling pattern etc, the margin
for error can (sometimes) be very small.  Since an RR ball may overreact
on a dry backend, a one or two board difference at release time my
cause the ball to overreact by as much as 10 boards on the backend!
Then again, it might not, it all depends on how much oil has traveled
down the lane.  Clears that up doesn't it?  Disclaimer:  One characteristic
of RR balls is the hitting power.  Since the ball reacts so violently
prior to hitting the pocket scores can be higher since the angle of
approach is radical, but so the splits you can get from an RR ball
can be equally spectactular.



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Re:
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A770BDEABC012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:48:42 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:51:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.203854.12384@linus.mitre.org> John G. Wagner,
M11745@mitre.org writes:
>Rhino pro's are a sticky ball and would, if drilled the same, out hook
all 
>the other balls you mentioned. I use a beast on dry conditions and found 
>that if I hold my hand open, (just a little),.....

Very true (concerning the Purple RP, which is a reactive resin ball), the
black
RP is not a reactive resin ball and hence has the usual characteristics
associated with "normal" urethane balls.  I get good reaction with the
black
RP but even that seems to be a bit much lately.

I agree on the dry lane conditions.  I've seen so many inflated averages
with dry lane condtions it isn't funny.  The sad part about it is that
alot
(not all mind you) of mid 60, mid 70 average bowlers are averaging
up into the 90's and low 200's.  Unfortunately, alot of these bowlers
are _convinced_ that they really ARE 200 avg bowlers.  When they
encounter lane conditions that are NOT dry on the outside, they complain
that the lanes are "bad"  (heaven forbid, it CAN'T be THEM right?). 
Ahem....


I also see alot of rookie Pro Bowlers in tournaments that say "damn,
I average 225 in the house back home, how come I'm only averaging
170's here?  Must be f**ked up lanes, they don't know how to oil
the lanes!"  whine whine whine...

IMHO, the "down and in" bowler is alot more versatile under varied lane
conditions and will consistantly average higher and have a less of a
variance in averages from house to house than say...a big cranker,
which until earlier this year, I was...there are some big crankers still
out on the tour and yes they are hitting some big games and have high
averages, but by and large, the 5-10 board breaker is consistantly
cashing...



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: 1993 musings & comments
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:13 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <93006.090550MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark K. Miller
<MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>In article <93005.56334.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
|>L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
|>>
|>>  Hi Guys & Gals & bowling-type-peoples!  I know I'm getting old, because
|>>I KNOW HOW TO KEEP SCORE!!!
|>
|>Old???  Ha!  I can keep score, too, ya know!  And I didn't even see you
|>around anywhere when we were inventing dirt.  Don't start with me about
|>old!
|>
|>>      But most of the 20 YO's don't know the first thing about
keeping score,
|>>since the center I coach YABA, & bowl at has had computerized scorekeepers
|>
|>Don't sweat the small stuff!  Even if they did know the first thing about
|>how to keep score it still wouldn't do 'em any good.  They CAN'T add!  I
|>love it at the end of the night when someone with a calculator decides
|>its their job to complete the league reporting sheet.  I'll sometimes
|>go look over their shoulder and tell them each series before they have
|>finished typing the three numbers to add.  You'd be amazed at the kind of
|>"voodoo" some people think this is.
|>
|>>          Hope '93 means improved scores & lives...
|>
|>Now there is a nice sentiment!
                        
	I'll do the same thing. As everyone is finishing up their
last game I'll add up the scores on the fly, them when everyone is
done (I bowl anchor) all I have to do is 2 or 3 quick additions and
it's all done. Usually before the other teams captain has changed and
pulled their calculator. Even better when the recheck it and it's
right.
	Talking about as dirt, my dad was actually a manual pinsetter
when he was younger.

	Best of a new year to all!!!!!!1

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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: alt.sport.bowling LIVES!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76F559598012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:11:17 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:14:08 GMT


HAPPY *hic* NEW YEAR!!!! *BELCH* EVERYONE!


Well I can see that everyone is back from the holidays!  Hope everyone
had a *GREAT* New Years!  I THINK I did, but things are still alittle
fuzzy just before, during and immediately following the point
where I hurled in my waterbed and my wife and one of my best
friends had to hose me down in the shower....then my wife had
to sleep on the floor cause the bed was too cold.  Meanwhile, about
15-20 of my closest friends, (who incidently are AVID bowling buddies of
mine) were downstairs power drinking tequilias and Ouzo while shooting
BB guns at each other all while listening to Pearl Jam at 140 watts....
But enough of my somber new years party....*sigh* Lynn is threatening
to curtail any ideas we may have about another party next year unless
"me and my friends start acting like adults"...sheesh...lighten up...
I was the only person who puked in bed...(everyone ELSE puked on her
carpet! HAHAHAHA ahem...)...hmmm..the cats haven't been quite
the same ever since either...

Anyway...to add to my long list of injuries...I just pulled a tendon in
my right ring finger and it's bruised all the way from the tip of my
finger, down across the palm and past my wrist....
I was trying out a new release and must of gotten carried away..
oh well,  the doctor chewed me out again (what ELSE is new?) and
gave me hell for bowling before my shoulder has healed up...GAWD is
EVERYBODY around here party poops?...anyway now I have:

a.  a torn rotator cuff in my right shoulder
b.  6 torn muscles in my right forearm.
c.  tennis elbow in my right elbow.
d.  a pulled tendon in my right ring finger.

and you know what's REALLY wierd?  I bowled 6 sets of games since
I messed up my finger and the LOWEST set I've bowled is 641!...

DAMN!  I can't wait till I BREAK MY ARM!...oooOOOOoooo   900
set here I come!



************************************************************
-Aki Damme                               *      "How come the best ball
The World Bank                          *       for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.                          *       one I didn't bring, or
the
PBA #2294                                 *       one I don't own?"
************************************************************
    ----> All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
<-----
************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar)
Subject: Re: New RhinoPro "Teal"...
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:26:04 GMT

I wasn't able to catch Bo's complete reaming of the lane maintenance
crews but it seems to me he was saying basically that the PBA lane 
maintenance crews screwed up last seasons telecasts by laying down 
tough conditions but that things would be better this season.

Is there anything to what Bo was saying - or did I miss something?


--
Captain:  FBL Team #3 "Tri Five"
Anton J. Pintar             Delfin Systems            408-748-1200
antonp@delfin.com           Santa Clara, California
From: michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: oily lanes
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:16:58 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx22.mik.uky.edu!michael


  Just curious to know what are good bowling balls for oily conditions?  I always bowl right after they oil the lanes in my league so they are always oily.     Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Michael Ward
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday t
Reply-To: mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Organization: ECE Department, CMU
	<1993Jan7.165923.11967@worldbank.org>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:56:48 GMT

Congrat's El Capitan Aki....

Come to think of it, my dad's birthday was yesterday and he's
currently recovering from a cracked bone in his middle finger. Said
finger got cracked while attempting to wrest the Greenberg Family
Bowling Crown (tm) from yours truly. Maybe the two of you can get
together and have a good game of "Ain't It Awful".  :-)

					
					MGG
From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: splits...
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:09:08 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com

Since we're on this kick about splits, a couple of months ago I left a 
"Greek Orthodox Church".  You know, a 4-6-7-9-10.  Well, that's nothing
special except I managed to pick it up!  I impressed the heck out of the
people bowling around me.

.. now for the truth.  My ball hit my knee when I was swinging through,
just prior to the release.  That collision easily knocked a third of the
speed of the shot off and pushed my ball three boards to the right of
where I was aiming.  I hit between the 6 and 10, picking up the 9 with my
ball.  The 6 shot over and hit the back of the 7, which fell forward into
the 4.

I suspect that hitting my knee was the key, but I wonder how do I repeat that?

Carl
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A773238692082631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:26:46 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:29:39 GMT

In article <1ika66INNpkf@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>That  is not a  foul....  what is a foul is if he  retrieves  the  pen
>without first asking  permission of the other team.  It is stated very
>clearly  in  the  rule  book.  Your   secretary  is  wrong.  (being  a
>secretary  and having  dealt with the exact  problem I know this to be
>true.)


tsk tsk Dave...maybe the guy tried to retrieve the pen with his HEAD,
hence the foul...   ;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: splits...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:15:56 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

Had an unusual split this weekend... at least it is unusual for me...

4-8-10  ....  and the wierd thing is that I picked it up....

chopped the 4 off and just tapped the 8 enough to slid over and tap the 
10 pin....  talk about strange!!!  Go figure....

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: How to Buy a New Ball without a Divorce
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:17:28 GMT

In article 28289@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov,  palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer) writes:
>
>Aki seems to be a member of the ball of the month club (with or without
>his wife's approval) and the only concession I can get from my wife
>when I get a new ball is to go easy on the torture !!!
>
>I have been really itching to try a reactive resin ball, any domestic
>tactics would be greatly appreciated....
>

Always remember, Cliffy, 'tis better to ask for forgiveness than it is
for permission ...


Bob - another reason why I'm still a bachelor   :-P

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