From: Wing Ng <wing@pegasus.com>
Subject:      Reply to lix
Reply-To: Wing Ng <wing@pegasus.com>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:38:44 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>         Ms./Mr.  Ng  should not confuse OPINIONS with  NEWS.   In
> fact,  it would have been more cricket if Ms./Mr.  Ng had told us
> that  the  author of the article that she/he so gleefully  posted

Geez, I did not say one word, what makes lix think I am "gleeful" ?

> hates all Chinese and does not want to see HK returned to  China,
> period.   Better yet, Ms./Mr. should have told us that the author
> is  apparently engaged in a high-stake worldwide campaign to push
> Japan  onto the U.N.  Security Council as a permanent member  and
> push China,  at present represented unfortunately by the CCP, off
> its rightful and permanent seat on the same body.   Why should he
> be given any credibility at all?

I didn't know that the author of that editorial wanted to replace
China with Japan on the Sec. Council.  I assume lix knows the facts
on this one.

>         Here's the real irony about HK:  the more democratic  and
> open  the Mainland becomes,  the fewer concessions the  stateless

"Stateless" ?  Who says that.  I understand all HK Chinese will
get passports after '97 that says "China, Hong Kong".

> politicians in HK will get.   THE CCP REMAINS THEIR BEST BET.  To
> kick away the CCP's terms is to damage the economy of HK and make

Gosh, I have been posting about HK for 2 months, and lix still
thinks we want to "kick away CCP's terms".  As far as I am concerned,
"CCP's terms" are in the "solemn international treaty" of Joint
Declaration.  If CCP would only observe it, tian-xia tai-ping.

> its people lesser players in the dazzling dramas now unfolding in
> the  Chinese  world than they are entitled to by virtue of  their
> birthrights  as  Chinese.

Thank you.

> Only people who hate Chinese  or  are
> jealous  of  HK  would  benefit  from  that  kind  of   dangerous

I don't know WHO is in favor of junking the J.D., Zhu Rongji said
something that was supposed to be misinterpreted, and hastily backed
off.  Of course CCP is accusing the British of violating the J.D.,
but could not point to a single article that they violated, so they
said the British violated "the spirit".

> maneuvers.   Only the CCP can afford to ignore public opinions in
> the  Mainland  and  offer the terms the HK  politicians  are  now

I wonder what those anti-HK "public opinions" on the Mainland are,
can lix enlighten us ?  And why is that lix now apparently reverses
his previous prescription that HK's only hope is a democratic and
open Mainland ?

> getting.   Any  other national administration would not have been
> nearly so accommodating.  That's for sure.

That's why I buy insurance by being in FDC :-), in case they become
the "national administration".

Seriously though, and my Mainland compatriots please correct me
if I am wrong here, I believe even the PRC's RenDa is ELECTED:  the
local RenDa are elected by the people, the provincial RenDa are elected
by the local RenDa, and the national RenDa are elected by the provincial
RenDa.  Isn't that right ?  That's why Fang Lizhi's wife got elected
local RenDa, and Wang Juntao / Chen Ziming / Hu Ping (almost ?)
became local RenDa.

The way CCP made that undemocratic is to monopolize the nomination
process, people can only vote for those that the govt. allows to
be nominated.

Even that election process is in principle (except for the crooked
nomination) more democratic than the one CCP envisions for HK
legislature after '97.

Wing
I just realize it's lix's friend, replace all references to lix
by "lix's friend".
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