From: gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:14:51 GMT

yoonho@taipei.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park) writes:

>The scoreboard is definitely an important stat.  What about conference
>rankings?  That's a pretty important STAT.  Which bowl will the Illini
>be going to this year?  Where are they going to be doing NYD?  Yes, the
>Illini played a great game.  They definitely flustered the Wolverines.
>They knocked them down in the polls.  They knocked them out of the MNC
>picture.  What more do you want?

Nothing more.  I said what I wanted to say.  

However, if you want to argue conference ranking, I will refer you to 
page 10, Section 3, 'bout the middle of the page, in the _Chicago Tribune_
dated November 16, 1992.  Here's some neat tidbits from an article entitled
"Nothing's big about Big 10 football anymore""

The Big 10...

* is 13-17-1 non-conference record, with the victory column padded by five 
  wins over schools like Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Miami of Ohio.
  Two of the losses were to Central Michigan and Toledo. 

* is 2-11-1 against ranked opponents.  Ohio State beat Syracuse, Michigan
  tied Notre Dame, and Purdue beat up California.  Keep in mind, tho', that
  Cal has since fallen to 4-6.
 
* has lost 9 of the last 11 Rose Bowls.

* has a 20-29-1 postseason record for the last 10 years.

* has not won a national championship since Woody Hayes' Ohio State team did
  in 1968.  "Every other major football conference has claimed at least one
  title since the last time the Big 10 could say, 'We're No. 1'."

* "...is the worst I can remember it being." said former Michigan coach,
  Bo Schembechler.

Interesting, huh?


>Once again...  Oh boy, this is definitely something I would brag
>about... :)

Well, I'm a Cubs and a Sox fan.  I was a Bears fan before Ditka showed up,
and I was a Bulls fan before Jordan showed up.  I almost forgot about the
Blackhawks.  I'm a happy fan in any sorta weather:)


>Uh, when did Bill post a rude response to you?  I know Bill.  He's a
>nice guy.  Well, when you're fighting him for a rebound under the glass
>he's not a nice guy, but that's different.  I think you might be
>interpreting some of his sarcasm as rudeness.

If this is the case, then let me say "sorry" in public.  

Wait a sec, did I just run into a Michigan fan who wasn't obnoxious?


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