HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: "A DAY TO RALLY FOR REFORM": OCTOBER 14
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:17:50 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
 October 13, 1992

              "A DAY TO RALLY FOR REFORM": OCTOBER 14
        Democratic Leaders and Reform Advocates Rally Behind
             Clinton Agenda to Enact Health Care Reform

      In an unprecedented show of support, on Wednesday, October 14,
 Democratic leaders, health care advocates, citizens groups, business
 and labor leaders will gather in every state across the nation to
 rally behind the Clinton agenda to enact health care reform.

      They will join in asserting the need for Governor Bill Clinton's
 leadership in the White House and reaffirm their commitment to work
 with him in the first 100 days of a new Administration to move
 forward quickly on comprehensive health care reform.

      Events will also launch a Women's Health Care Week to bring
 attention to Bill Clinton and Al Gore's commitment to improving
 women's health.

      "Together, we will deliver a message to the country that
 Democrats, led by Bill Clinton, will break the gridlock and 'deliver'
 on comprehensive health care reform," said Senator Jay Rockefeller
 (D-WV), National Co-Chair of the Clinton-Gore Campaign and organizer
 of the Day to Rally for Reform.

      Governor Bill Clinton will release a statement to acknowledge
 the national demonstration of support for his efforts to reform the
 health care system.

      October 14th efforts in all 50 states:  The day's efforts to
 support the Clinton health care agenda include:

 *    Pittsburgh, PA. -- 12:00 noon, Market Square -- Democratic Vice
      Presidential Candidate Al Gore will join Senate Majority Leader
      George Mitchell (D-ME),  Senator Harris Wofford (D-PA),
      Democratic Senate Candidate Lynn Yeakel and others for the
      noontime rally.

 *    Portland, OR. -- 8:15 AM PDT, Oregon Convention Center, 777N.E.
      Martin Luther King Blvd. -- Governor Howard Dean (VT)will
      participate in a health care forum.

 *    Los Angeles, CA. -- 2:00 PM PDT, Venice Family Clinic, 604Rose
      Ave. --  Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), will joinSenator Edward
      M. Kennedy (D- MA), Representatives MaxineWaters, Henry Waxman
      and others for a tour of the clinic.

 *    St. Louis, MO. -- 3:30 PM CST, Carpenters Hall -- House Majority
      Leader Dick Gephardt and Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
      will join Senate Candidate Geri Rothman-Serot, Representative
      Joan Kelly Horn (MO) and others for a press conference.

 *    Efforts in other states:  Democratic Governors, Senators,
      Representatives and other leaders, health care advocates,
      citizen groups, doctors, nurses, business leaders and labor
      leaders in all other states will participate in health care
      events.

 Contact the regional Clinton/Gore office in your area for more
 information.

                             -- 30 --


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From: griffith@acuson.com (Paul Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Debate results
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:47:25 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

chey@novell.com (Cindy Hey) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.054903.29070@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>>Also, CBS "lost" IMO by deciding that a baseball game was more important
>>than the joint appearance.  I really thought they'd be more responsible
>>than that.

>So did I!  I even counted on it.  I wasn't able to watch the debate live,
>so I set my VCR to record it.  I can't tell you how dissappointed I was
>to discover 90 minutes of baseball on my tape rather than the debate :-(
>Luckily for me, C-SPAN repeated the debate, in its entirety, several times
>throughout the night.  Thank you, C-SPAN!

>Cindy Hey

	This may have been a strange flashback from my crystal draino
days, but I remember later that evening watching some muckty muck from
CBS whining that the reason they didn't cover these debates (along with
NBC) was because their key anchor people were not going to be involved
in questioning.  He starting wheezing and wailing about the whole
debate format (which did suck) not being what he felt was in the best
interest for the "people" (read: his sponsers).  All in all apart
from the above problem of missed taping, it's probaly good they
didn't cover it.  CBS has to be the worst of the worst.  Only they
have the potential to screw up the showing of three people on stage.

-Paul
Was it Joan of Arc who said, "Do you smell something burning or is it me?"

 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: 21 Military Leaders Endorse Bill Clinton for President
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:02:50 GMT

In article <29233@life.ai.mit.edu> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President) writes:

> Admiral William Crowe, USN (Ret.)
> Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

and who resigned when Bush wouldn't fund a 600 ship Navy for Crowe. He
has a personal axe to grind with Bush.

> General Mike Dugan, USAF (Ret.) *
> Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force

Fired by Bush for making inappropriate remarks about US strategy
just before Desert Storm. He has a personal axe to grind with Bush.

> Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.)
> Naval Test Pilot
> Former Commander, Naval Space Command
> Former Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration

fired by Bush for incompetance in running NASA. He has a personal axe to
grind with Bush.

  Allen

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|  aws@iti.org     |  nothing undone"                                       |
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Steven Bradley Taves)
Subject: Help!  Where can I get the platform?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:29:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

Can anyone tell me where I can get the platform electronically?
Ftp site possibly?  

Thanks,

Steve
-- 
____________________________________________________________________
"A boy he was tangled in his fight forever, a girl was missing
 two fingers","Why do they kill children, and why do I wanna die"
-Throwing Muses 
Got any news on The Breeders? Email me sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Clinton
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:38:35 GMT

In article <1bam2dINN9v6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John  Laws) writes:
>
>If you want the truth on Bill Clinton, read this book. You are
> not getting the full story from the news media. This book provides
>the information you need to make a fully informed decision on whether
>to vote for Clinton or not. Don't wait until it is too late (after
> election day) to find out the truth. This book is alao available
>in your major bookstores or can be ordered through those stores or
>the publisher.
>

If you feel you really need another right-wing smear, then check out this
book.  It will require a high tolerance for distortion and mud-slinging,
but then the right wing of the Republican party does not let that stand in
their way.

Clinton and Perot make a  very compelling case for how Limbo George has
blown his presidency.  Bush is a cripple in these debates.

Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:10009 alt.politics.bush:8838
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: What's the deal here?
Keywords: middle class
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:04:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

Hi...

I was talking with a co-worker about the great debate(s),
and he said something that struck me a bit funny.

He said that Clinton said anyone with a family income over
$52K per year is upper middle class. Is this so?

So I'm thinking "OK... Maybe 52K per year is upper middle class
in Albany, Ga. or Chester's Gap, Idaho, but certainly not in
Vienna, Va.!".

I'm kind of wondering here... When Clinton goes to lay it on
"the rich", is he gonna net the big fish like me? You know, the
guy who doesn't have the six-figure income, doesn't have the
2500 square foot house (and an extra one stashed in the next
state), but seems surrounded by a whole lot of people that do?

Just trying to find out what I'm in for (even though I'm not
gonna vote for him)...

Please reply via email (mike@east.sun.com)

-- Mike

---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions - not my employer's
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: On the first debate among the presidential candidates
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:18:40 GMT

In article <29153@life.ai.mit.edu> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President) writes:
>                   Statement of SEN. AL GORE
>        On the first debate among the presidential candidates

Obviously written before the debate even took place.

He was there.  I saw him in the audience, sitting right next to
Ross Perot's wife.  Must have had his brain turned off, as usual.

-- 
Mike Van Pelt                          Here lies a Technophobe,
mvp@netcom.com                            No whimper, no blast.
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com                      His life's goal accomplished,
                                          Zero risk at last.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:10971 talk.politics.misc:52432
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Gore: did not. Or did he?
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:18:37 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Oct16.063825.1058@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>In article <9631@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

>>Congress critters routinely hide all kinds of crap in an other wise good
>>or at least neutral bill.  Those who oppose the garbage are faced with
>>a through the baby out with the bath water situation.

>Yes, it's called *compromise.*  That's part of politics, whether George
>Herbert Hoover Bush likes it or not.

No it is not.  Compromise means to debate a piece of legislation and
modify it so that everybody is happy, or at least as close as possible.
Hidding a bad bill inside a good bill is chicanery, whether Bill "Jimmy
Carter" Clinton likes it or not.

-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com

Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:9592 alt.politics.bush:8539
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:39:54 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: We will not back down
 <1992Oct8.204759.25725@news.columbia.edu>
 <1992Oct9.202146.11793@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>

In article <1992Oct9.202146.11793@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
shackeld@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david m shackelford ) says:
>The quote doesn't say anything about handedness.  It is
>interesting however that it happens to parallel the difference
>between liberals (Left) and conservatives (Right).

>   Liberals want foolish changes
>   Conservatives want wise changes

Golly, you're right. Whan an incredibly well-formulated and devastatingly
complete argument. Why, I have been totally converted over to the conservative
view of the world, and will advise all my friends to vote for Bush. Thank
you for showing me the error of my foolish liberal ways.

(Snort!)

                  "Two hundredth verse, same as the first!"
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
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From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Debate results
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:34:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs

In article <1992Oct12.190830.16312@husc3.harvard.edu> koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:
>
>His cure for the economy - things are not that bad and let me
>give Jim Baker the job.  How about himnself?  BUt then again he didnt
>know there was a recession on until months into it.

give Jim Baker the job? Yes, but only after firing everybody else!
The White House is now more or less unoccupied, defunct!.
I can't believe this hasn't been discussed here today.
let me give my spin on this event:

Bush: Things aren't that bad, stay the course, now's not the
time to hand off the wheel to new people,  by the way, i've
fired my entire staff. 

by the way, George, You're Fired!

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Time For Clean Sweep -was BUSH LOSES VETO FIGHT!!
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:26:06 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.162539.21650@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>,
curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021
curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) said:

> And since they're [Congress] part of the problem, then shouldn't
> dumping them be part of the solution also?
>
> Be fair this November.  If you're voting for Mr. Clinton, vote
> against Congressional incumbents too, regardless of their party.

This doesn't follow.  You start with the premise that both the
President and the Congress are responsible for the problems, but you
ignore the fact that the Congress is subdivisible, while the
Presidency is not.

A decision to change the membership of the Presidency necessitates a
vote against the incumbent, since the only choices are to keep all of
him or jettison all of him.  This is not the case with regard to the
Congress and Senate.  The question is not "Should I vote to change the
membership of the House and Senate?" but rather "Should I vote to
change the membership of my own Congressional delegation?", and the
latter is a decision which should be based on the particular and
identifiable incumbents and challengers involved, and not on a general
dislike for Congress as a whole.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: lyman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth Casey)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:51:32 GMT

In article <BvrH4r.397@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>[Sorry about this flame, but I got no sleep last night (thanks to a
> airheaded roomie), and it's getting mighty close to Columbus Day
> for me not to be in a bad mood.]
>
>lyman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth Casey) writes:
>
>: 	The fact that they were the first of the huddled masses
>: 	to crawl ashore does not give them the right to enforce their
>: 	cultural biases on the subsequent immigrants. 
>
>Never mind the fact that they [white Anglo-Saxon Protestants] were NOT
>THE FIRST to crawl ashore.  There were hundreds of thousands of people living
>in what is now the US when the Jamestown colony was started.  They
>had been here for thousands of years.  People keep forgetting that
>little tidbit of information....
>
>--
>Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
>Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
>Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
>Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
>UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    
>
>Marrou/Lord in '92
>
>
>
From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Red Willie??
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:17:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com

xdedcj@atom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (dave c jarzabek) said..
>
>He certainly meant to say that, after all, Slick would not
>stoop so low as to attempt to sidestep an issue or reverse
>positions.  On the other hand, the recent post concerning his
>flip-flopping on various issues makes one wonder, too.

By golly you're right!  You know, some burglar(s?) stole my stereo and TV 
several years ago, where was Bill Clinton? Why hasn't he "come clean" on that?

Please.   "We don't know anything about the Moscow trip -- we don't 
  really know why he went or what he was doing."  - Marlin Fitzwater

Allan
-- 
Allan Schaffer   x2160                    "Things have been tough, but 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com              they haven't been that tough."
aschaffe@netcom.com                                   - George Bush   10/4/92
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call (501) 372-1992
Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:11034 talk.politics.misc:52509
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: BRAVES WIN!!! (oh yeah, Bush stuff too)
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:00:19 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <PA146008.401.719253146@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:

>>The economy and George Bush is helping Clinton get elected.
>So we can blame Clinton for George Bush, too?  :-)

I thought he meant that in four years the media will probably be blaming
George Bush for having allowed Clinton to be elected.

-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: aras@ms.uky.edu (erode)
Subject: Re: Bush: "steering America" (NOT)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:45:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

>Bush thinks we should "stay on course"..

>[Holland, MI:  10/12/92]
>	BUSH:  When it comes to steering America through 
>	the new global economic challenges, America needs 
>	a driver who knows the highway.

>So he fires the people who have been doing the driving..


	Does this mean that "blame every thing that went wrong on the congress"
    	has failed?

	But the president who often quotes Harry Truman still hasn't
	got the idea:
		First he blamed it on the congress.
		Now it is his poor advisors.

	Will he ever think of pointing the finger at himself?
	Does he have the "character" to admit to his failings? 

	My comments on the first press conference (debate?):
	 I thought Bush did pretty good. But what I remembered 
	most about him was the scowl on his face. Clinton's men
	managed to remove the smirk from his (Clinton's) face 
	and now Bush's men need to remove the scowl from his 
	(Bush's) face. 
	-aras

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Debate results
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:59:37 GMT

In article <1bk8g9INNejq@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:

>If I'm reading Statistical Abstract of the US correctly, Federal Funds
>receipts (i.e. excluding Soc Sec) went way DOWN in 1983, and in 1984
>were still below 82 correcting for inflation.

You need to look at income tax receipts (which is only about 1/3 of
receipts), not total receipts.

  Allen
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: ==> Dan Quayle: Attack Puppy Unleashed
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:50:11 GMT

In article <92288.005751U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>                               TAXES
>
> RHETORIC: "He will raise your taxes..."
>
> REALITY: The Clinton/Gore plan includes $60 billion in middle class
> tax cuts and $12 billion in tax cuts for the working poor.  It will
> only increase taxes on the wealthiest few, those making more than
> $200,000 a year.  [Putting People First] 

I have a copy of PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST and nowhere in it does it mention
the $200,000 number. It has numerous vague comments about "forcing the very 
wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes". Please document 'very wealthy'
and 'fair share'. Lets be accurate in what we say....

>
>                "RAISING TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS"
>
> REALITY:  The Clinton/Gore plans includes a middle-class tax cut to
> give families $300 per child.  Bill Clinton has never claimed that he
> can raise $150 billion from raising the tax rate on individuals.  He
> will raise that amount through a comprehensive tax package -- that
> closes corporate tax loopholes to raise $58 billion, for example.
> The commercial which made the Quayle charge was branded "misleading"
> by the Washington Post (10/2/92).  The Wall Street Journal says,
> "Clinton has proposed to cut taxes for the sort of people featured in
> Bush's ad." (10/2/92)

Please define the middle class- Democratic Governor Florio designed his
massive tax increase to hit hardest at individuals making more than $35,000
and families earning more than $70,000 - Some middle class indeed.
BTW, Florio said he say now reason to raise taxes before the election and
promptly raised them after he won- DRAMATICALLY.


>                          WINNING THE COLD WAR
> REALITY:  Who won the Cold War is not a partisan issue.  To portray

True but I give Reagan the most credit - by far.
After all Carter shut down the B-1 bomber plan and wanted to
negotiate everything with the Soviets-  until they invaded Afghanistan

> it as one is an insult to all Americans--Republicans and
> Democrats--who sacrificed so much during the Cold War.  It is an
> insult to the bipartisan tradition in American foreign policy of
> supporting freedom and democracy around the world.  Harry Truman,
> Arthur Vandenberg, John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Henry "Scoop"
> Jackson, and Ronald Reagan all played bipartisan roles in winning the
> Cold War.  It is also an insult to the brave people of the Baltics,
> Eastern Europe, and the Soviet Union who suffered behind the Iron
> Curtain and then threw off the yoke of communism.

I STILL give Reagan the credit and Russian citizens living in Russia
will back that up - they told me as much. They adore Reagan.

Much of what you say appears accurate but some is not - I find it hard
to trust Political types of both types.

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Perot `92
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 15:07:21 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: CLINTON'S EMAIL ADDRESS?
Distribution: usa

In article <1bc7goINN33n@agate.berkeley.edu>, ramezani@are.Berkeley.EDU (Cyrus
A. Ramezani) says:


75300.3115@compuserve.com



>
>Dear Netters ,
>
>Would a kind sole send me clinton's email address.
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Cyrus
>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc