HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tdwebste@sparta.uwaterloo.ca (Timothy D. Webster)
Subject: Speaking French on newsgroups
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:13:19 GMT


[...]

>>pleinement une certaine intervention gouvernementale dans les echanges
>>commerciaux (et aussi dans l'education, les telecommunications, l'assurance-
>>maladie, etc.)
>
>This is ridiculous.  Do you really expect (or want?) me or any other unilingual
>anglophone to respond to this?
>I swear you're doing this to bother me, because I can see no other logical
>explanation...

I am flame bate, but here goes. Purhaps you see what is like to speak a
language other than English. Whoever responded to your English article
translated it into French. Purhaps the person can express themselves more
easy in their native language. Maybe you should be as considerate and
translate the French into English! 

Flame off.

Since this appears to be an ongoing problem purhaps some organised means
of providing translations might be considered. Just a thought, it is
probably too hard to cordinate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Pere Noel / Santa Claus
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:17:22 GMT

[English version follows.]

L'origine du pere Noel nordamericain remonte a l'arrivee de colons
hollandais au cours des annees 1650.  Le nom de leur personnage,
Sinterklass, s'est anglicise pour devenir Santa Claus.  C'est le celebre
poeme intitule "La Nuit de Noel", ecrit en 1822 par l'ecrivain Clement Clark
Moore, de New York, qui donne au joyeux personnage les traits que nous lui
connaissons:  visage joufflu et ventre rebondi, il file sur un traineau tire
par huit petits rennes qui se posent sur les toits pour le laisser descendre
dans la cheminee y dposer les etrennes.

C'est au cours des annees 1930 que Haddon Sundblom, pour une campagne
publicitaire de Coca-Cola, donne a notre pere Noel ses traits actuels.
Ainsi surgit le joyeux bonhomme aux pommettes rouges, a la barbe blanche, au
costume frange de fourrure, coiffe d'un bonnet rouge et portant bottes et
large ceinture de cuir.  Bien entendu, il a elu domicile au pole Nord
canadien, ou les enfants peuvent lui ecrire au code postal H0H 0H0.

(tire de "En Detail", publie par Postes Canada)

------------------------------------------------------------------

Our North American Santa tradition arrived with the Dutch in the 1650's as
"Sinter Klaus", whose name was anglicized to Santa Claus.  But his
traditional appearance was ambigious until Dr. Clement Clark Moore of New
York wrote his famous poem "A Visit From St. Nicholas" in 1822.  Santa is
"chubby and plump--a right jolly old elf", with eight tiny reindeer pulling
a sleigh which alights on roofs to allow St. Nick to descend chimneys and
leave gifts.

The finishing touches to our Santa were added in the 1930's, when Coca-Cola
had Haddon Sundblom do Santa paintings for an advertising campaign.  He
emerged with his jolly red-cheeked visage, white beard, fur-trimmed suit,
red stocking cap, wide leather belt and boots.  Of course his home is at
Canada's North Pole, where children may write to him at postal code H0H 0H0.

(taken from "Details", published by Canada Post)
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario | "Je suis professeur.  C'est a dire que, hors d'une classe,
Canada!!          |  je ne suis bon a rien."  - Topaze
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8492 can.politics:9632
From: alain@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca (W.A.Simon)
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:51:05 EST

In <1992Nov7.091428.17233@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
spawns a new thread:

> In article <1992Nov6.223952.25408@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:
> > Personally, direct democracy always makes me nervous.  Especially,

	Direct democracy is the natural consequence of the belief
	in democracy as a system.  Direct democracy suffers from
	the same ills as parliamentary democracy, just more so.
	It is about people and education, not about good or bad.
	If people are not educated, no form of democracy will ever
	work.  If they are educated, direct democracy is the way
	to fly.  Parliamentary democracy was invented by those
	with a vested interest, so they could still retain some
	form of privileges.  The excuse, of course, was that it
	was best for the people...

	Today, we are better educated (I am somewhat optimistic
	here) and better informed (at least we could be if we
	wanted to).  Media and technology make direct democracy
	a practical solution.

> > given the types of questions that are often asked.  For example, I
> > suspect that if a referendum would be held on having a flat tax rate
> > of 10% it would pass, with most people ignoring the impact such a
> > vote would have on society.
> And what impact do you believe it would have?  I think a flat tax rate
> would be an enormous improvement over the mess we have now, though I
> don't know how reasonable 10% is as a rate.

	Given our current deficit, 40% is more like it.

	The problem with flat rate is that it doesn't reflect the
	many realities of the economic environment.  If we tax all
	incomes we are discouraging savings and investments.  If
	we tax Welfare and other assistance incomes, we tax money
	that results from taxes being redistributed; this is the
	current practice and it is ludicrous.  If we tax businesses,
	they just pass it on to consumers.

	A good approach is to tax on spending (GST).  We have a
	GST and now a PST, but the morons who wish to govern us
	manage to lose money on this one, even though they kept
	the old taxes...  Harmonize the GST/PST, raise its rate,
	and we can do away with all income taxes.  The problem is
	that if we do this, reading the books will be a lot easier.
	Our bureaucrats and politicians like the books the way
	they are... it keeps secrets and it protects jobs.



--
 Alain
 [ ... usual disclaimer... ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:32:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.231524.14735@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mousseau@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Normand Mousseau) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
>|> It is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.  Canadians should
>|> not accept it "by default".  The gov't should mind it's own business.
>
>	Non.  Si on elit un gouvernement, c'est pour qu'il fasse quelque chose.
>Dans notre societe, un des buts des gouvernements est de proteger le droit commun contre le pouvoir de certains individus ou de certaines classes. Donc,
>quand le gouvernement legifere sur le sujet, il 'minds its own business' ! 
>
Do you do this just to bug me?  If I wanted a french conversation, I would
have posted in french.  

>|> If the (Ont) gov't mandates private sector goods be bilingulally labelled,
>|> then shouldn't it also label every traffic sign in the province?  What's
>|> the difference between the two?  The difference is that the cost of the
>|> second comes out of the gov't pockets.  They are being hipocritical, as
>|> usual...
>|> 
>	  Qu'est-ce que les poches du gouvernement ? L'argent 
>vient des payeurs de taxes, c'est a dire, nous !  Et si on ne met pas les
>panneaux de signalisation bilingues, c'est surtout parce que maintenant on
>utilise des symboles internationaux.  Et je ne vois pas l'hypocrisie
>puisque de toutes facons, c'est toujours le consommateur/payeur de taxes
>qui paie la note !
>
>	Il me semble percevoir une certaine acrimonie vis-a-vis du gouver-
>nement. Sans etre toujours d'accord avec ses decisions, je supporte 
>pleinement une certaine intervention gouvernementale dans les echanges
>commerciaux (et aussi dans l'education, les telecommunications, l'assurance-
>maladie, etc.)

This is ridiculous.  Do you really expect (or want?) me or any other unilingual
anglophone to respond to this?
I swear you're doing this to bother me, because I can see no other logical
explanation...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:19:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.001432.16345@cs.uoregon.edu> cwilson@cs.uoregon.edu (Chris Wilson) writes:
>From: cwilson@cs.uoregon.edu (Chris Wilson)
>Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
>Date: 5 Nov 92 00:14:32 GMT
>In article <1992Nov4.193239.22790@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>> 
>>> ...  Also, Mexico is not a
>>>democracy ...
>>
>> 
>> By Canada's standards, the US is hardly a democracy either.  Senators
>> and Congressmen only lose their seats when they die, retire, or
>> convicted of a serious felony...
>> 
>>
>
>Quite unlike the Canadian Senate.
>
 Too much like the Canadian Senate.  A waste of time and too much money with 
no useful purpose.

>This reminds me of the story - perhaps apocryphal, certainly plausible -
>about a member of the Canadian Senate who died during a session.
>Assuming he was asleep, no one noticed until the end of the day.
>
  Just goes to show how they waste time.  Sleeping on the job !!

>Chris Wilson

C. Trevor Perkins          891078P@ace.acadiau.ca
               Acadia University, Wolfville N.S., CANADA
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           |    | O |    |           LEST WE FORGET !
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:56:08 EDT
From: <CURRIEA@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: REMEMBRANCE DAY - B.Adams (Was - Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*
 <bob1.720979892@cos> <1dc0uoINN9qt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>
 <rmutton.721016329@cunews>

In article <rmutton.721016329@cunews>, rmutton@alfred.carleton.ca (Ross Mutton)
says:
>
>In <1dc0uoINN9qt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>
>>       REMEMBRANCE DAY - Bryan Adams (from "Into the Fire" A&M 1987)
>
>>       For our king and our country, and the promise of glory
>>       We came from Kingston and Brighton to fight on the front lines
>>       Just lads from the farms and boys from the cities
>>       Not meant to be soldiers, we lay in the trenches
>>       We'd face the fighting with a smile ... or so we said
>>       If only we had known what danger lay ahead
>
>Any idea which Kingston and Brighton Adams is referring to?  Kingston
>and Brighton in Ontario?  If so, I'm surprised he picked Eastern
>Ontario towns unless he remembers them from his days in Ottawa.

For what it is worth, Adams was born in Kingston.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:33:31 GMT

In <1dc205INNcj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:


>In article <bob1.720982232@cos>, bob1@cos.com writes:
>> In <1992Nov5.025659.268@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
>> 
>> Can we please put this BS to bed. PMRC want's recordings with
>> *adult* (actually, pretty damn childish IMHO) lyrics to be so
>> labeled. They aren't burned in big bonfires, etc. Suppose you
>> have a young daughter and buy her a R&R record for a present,
>> but you don't know the R&R scene. Wouldn't it be just great
>> to hear it for the first time and find all they are singing
>> about is [expletive deleted].
>> 
>> It was *not* censorship, merely *truth in labeling* :-/

>Two questions:

>	When do they get started on Shakespeare and the Bible?

>	Who decides on the label?   Who writes the label for
>	Upton Sinclair's books, Zola, Gorky?   Does the label
>	say "Recommended: social comment"? or "Warning: socialist
>	propaganda"?

>You have to be ready to answer questions like that before you
>throw words like "truth" around with such gay abandon.

Books are seldom sealed (Madonna excepted) so you can browse
through them. Records and plastic wrapped software are more
like finding jars and cans in the supermarket with no labels,
you aren't quite sure what you are getting until you open it.

I oppose censorship, I also oppose having music that I prefer
not to listen to, blasted into my ears from every BFR being
carried about, or some overpowered mobile system. Now why is
it that this only seems to be heavy metal, r&r, rap, etc.?
Maybe if the folks who like it would show a little more
consideration, other folks would not be so quick to accept
anything that is thrown at that group :-).
>jon.

Ciao;

Bob
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8360 can.politics:9433
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:14:28 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Nov6.223952.25408@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:

> Personally, direct democracy always makes me nervous.  Especially,
> given the types of questions that are often asked.  For example, I
> suspect that if a referendum would be held on having a flat tax rate
> of 10% it would pass, with most people ignoring the impact such a
> vote would have on society.

And what impact do you believe it would have?  I think a flat tax rate
would be an enormous improvement over the mess we have now, though I
don't know how reasonable 10% is as a rate.

But I would point out that such things are self-correcting.  I recall
hearing of some proposition that passed in California which was such a
thing - it sounded good at first, but had sufficiently bad effects that
it was very shortly repealed...

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8359 can.politics:9432
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:56:48 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Nov6.215508.23725@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:

> What I was referring to was ability of citizens to banish anyone
> provide two thirds of them agreed.  No reason was required - no laws
> need be broken.

That's a very interesting idea, and I think it might well turn out to
be a good thing if it were implemented here...though it'd have to be
modified to be workable on the scale of even a modern city, never mind
a modern country.

>> Are there any democracies left?  I don't think there are, except
>> possibly a couple of small countries, I think in northern Europe.
> I was using the common usage of modern democracy that includes
> Canada, US, most of Europe, much of South America and Asia.

By "democracy" I meant government by the people, not by representatives
(which often aren't, but that's another story).  A Swiss canton, to at
least some extent.  Ancient Athens, I thought, but am beginning to
wonder.

> It is unclear to me why you equate small jurisdictions with
> democracy.

Because communications break down when you try to get more than a few
thousand persons together.  Thus, in order for a democracy to work, the
population must be no more than a few thousand.  As peta points out,
modern technology may be (not "is") changing this.

> I have often found, for example, that municipal governments to be
> very despotic.

Oh, heavens, I never meant to claim that all small jurisdictions were
necessarily democracies.  Just that all democracies are small.

> Would you consider the Montreal Urban Community to be more democratic
> than the Federal government?

From what little I know of the two, yes.  But that little really is
very little, so I could be entirely wrong, or right for the wrong
reason.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: martel@unislc.uucp (Martel Manalo)
Subject: job opportunities in Canada
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:22:43 GMT




I would like some information on possible employers in Canada. I will
be migrating to Canada soon and I would like to know what job
opportunities are available. I am considering the Vancouver and Toronto
areas as my primary choices. I am a systems analyst specializing in
UNIX systems and C. Most of my experience is with the internals and 
networking. 

Thanks in advance,
Martel Manalo
email: martel@unislc.slc.unisys.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.misc:413 soc.culture.african:5747 soc.culture.europe:9397
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:17:20 EST
From: <HYD@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: psu.rec,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.europe
Subject:    Mediterranean Festival

   A Mediterranean Festival will be held from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. Sunday 15
November 1992 in the HUB Ballroom. Sponsored by the International Student
Council, the festival will feature entertainment, food and crafts from
Mediterranean countries. All are welcome.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
From: sheen@cs.uwp.edu (Leslie Sheen)
Subject: PEACE CORPS
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:26:38 GMT


I am very interested in any information anyone may have regarding the
Peace Corps; skills, countries, former volunteers, etc, etc... please
email any information to:

Leslie Sheen
sheen@cs.uwp.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:34:42 GMT

	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 
in the US and abroad, members can find contract and permanent software jobs
throughout the world. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us
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Director ICPA


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Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net



Newsgroups: soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.australian,rec.collecting
From: ayyad@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Ayyad Alam)
Subject: Stamps for sale
Keywords: stamps
Reply-To: ayyad@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Ayyad Alam)
Organization: I P Sharp Associates, Toronto
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:18:53 GMT


I have the following Australian stamps for sale. 
The numbers are from the 1986 Stanley Gibbons Part I catalogue.

165, 167, 168a(3 short perfs), 168b, 171, 175, 179, 181(2), 183,
184-189, 189a, 190, 191.

The stamps are mint but hinged, and they are in fine condition
except as noted above. Three or four of the stamps have their
catalogue number pencilled in on the back.

Make me an offer. I can be contacted at ayyad@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com
or  at Box 6814 Station A  Toronto; Ontario  CANADA  M5W 1X6.

Please use e-mail, I DON'T read news groups regularly. Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: karib@next10wor.wam.umd.edu (Bediako Ntodi George)
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spirits
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:12:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.230746.22612@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>  
montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.200730.17957@wam.umd.edu>  
karib@next08csc.wam.umd.edu (Bediako Ntodi George) writes:
> >	A concern of mine is that across the Caribbean people are more  
> >aware of Count Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman and other "European"  
> >spirits.  I am scared that our own culture is becoming lost (especially  
> >among the Caribbean school children, who are becoming more Americanized  
> >every second.  My purpose is to try to compare what we all know about  
> >spirits of the Caribbean.  Let's see how many of these you recognize.  
Do  
> >you know which countries their from and what they are? :-
> >
> >Duppy (real easy)	Googaralli
> >Rolling Calf		Hydaralli
> >Steel Donkey		
> >Bacooman
> >Moose
> >Loogaroo
> >Soucouyant
> >Ole Higue
> >Female (pretty hard)
> >Cribeau
> >Dutchman
> >Moongazer
> >Massacourou man
> >Bush Dai-Dai
> >
> >These are just a few of the top of my head. I would really like to hear  
> >some more.  Anyone out there know of any others?
> 
>     How about:
> 
> Tonton Macoutes
> Zinglindou
> 
>     H.
> 
Thanks Hubert.  I know what a Tonton Macoutes is, at least in reference to  
Haiti.  These were the very real terrorists that were sanctioned during  
"The Docs" reign of power.  They robbed and murdered until the fall of  
Baby-Doc.  I wonder if they are still active today.  I also wonder what  
the name means, and whether or not there is a spiritual reference .  I  
have no idea what a Zinglindou is?  Could you enlighten me about that?  
Thanks again!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.caribbean:1691 soc.culture.mexican:6901 soc.culture.spain:4021
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Learning Spanish
From: styrins@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Stephen Styring)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:45:29 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


Hola,

I am a Computer Science graduate student at the University of
Cincinnati.  In June of this year, I decided to augment the 
Computer Science curriculum with courses in intermediate Spanish.
I have already completed one year of intermediate Spanish 
(9 quarter credits) and I'm currently working on the second.

I am very interested and serious about learning Spanish as a second language.
It's my goal to learn it as quickly, and as feasibly as possible. 
As such, I have earmarked the typical "college student" breaks for the
purpose of learning Spanish in an immersion environment.  These are:

               2/3 Weeks Christmas Break
                 1 Week Spring Break
                 3 Months Summer Break

How can I most efficiently and cost effectively apply myself, during 
these breaks, so that I can achieve my goal as stated above? 

If you are interested, I would prefer to trade my computer and/or
English language skills, for your (your meaning any individual, 
college, or corporation) Spanish language skills.  I 
would also consider language immersion schools but I don't 
have many $$. 

Please, help me avoid the typical "you pay $$, you learn" situation. 
I would appreciate *any* thoughts, tips, or schools addresses.

Steve
styrins@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean