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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: Bowling for toddlers (Was Re: Things they do to make you proud)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:47:01 GMT

BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:

>My SIL and me took my stepdaughter Maya (10) and her daughter Ryan (6)
>bowling the other day.  I din't want to go at first because I figured
>that Tatijana (2) would probably not do any good.  She's been very clingy
>lately and I could just see her getting hurt getting hit in the head by
>a bowling ball when she runs up behind me .... (isn't it funny that you
>always imagine the worst..) Well, Maya talked me into it anyway - she's
>real good at that.  And we _did_ have a great time.  Tatijana sat there
>the entire time and watched us.  She occasionally commented on our
>style etc. and seemed to be having a good time, too.  At the very end, when
>we had finished the second round, we still had a couple of minutes on
>the clock (we had the lanes for 2 hours).  Maya helped Tat to push a
>ball by "herself".  That just made her day - she was soooo proud.
>For the rest of the day she kept on telling evrybody who would listen
>about it. "And I pushed the red ball really hard - and it rolled
>like this (imagine the arms just having a great time showing it)
>- and it didn't hit anything".
> 

My 2 year old son (well, almost 3) loves to go bowling.  For a while, he
liked it so much he would beg to go every time we passed a bowling alley
(or any other time he saw the word "BOWL", even in a store, for instance).
When I take him, we get the alley to provide the bumpers (at both alleys
we go to, they are free as long as you ask for them the day before you
want to bowl) that fill the gutters.  The biggest problem, of course, is he
doesn't always push it hard enough to get it all the way down the lane.
If he does get it down the lane, it doesn't always set off the re-rack
sensors, even if it returns the ball, so we usually let him have 3 or 4
throws per frame (he gets some pretty high scores this way).  He likes
to jump up and down or run in place while the ball is rolling, then when
(if) it gets to the pins, he says "boom!" and falls to the floor.  

He doesn't usually have the patience for more than one game, though.

>Her last ball, by the way, didn't quite make it all the way to the pins,
>it rolled in the gutter and came BACK to us.  I didn't know that it was
>physically possible for the ball to come back.  I thought there was a slight
>slant to the lane and the gutter.
> 
>Stephanie
> 

There should be a slant in the gutter, but not on the lane.

-----------------------------------------------------
From Neal Smith (nsmith@sassy.micro.ti.com)
Dad to Allen (allne if he spells it), born 1/10/90
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dwp@cactus.org (Deborah Platt)
Subject: Re: Tasks That Make You Queasy (Was: RE: Sign of the Times)
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:47:01 GMT



In article <1992Dec25.155111.14241@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>What I do feel is that,
>although I don't *strenuously* mind changing my children's diapers (nasty job
>but...sort of attitude) the very thought of changing somebody ELSE'S child's
>diapers makes me want to retch! 

My mother-in-law was here for a visit while Deanna (about 20 months
at the time) had a cold.  I was wiping Deanna's nose frequently
throughout the day, sticking the used tissues in my pocket without
giving the matter much thought.  Then at one point, my mother-in-law
wiped Deanna's nose, and extended the dirty tissue to me for me
to take.  Eewww!  I didn't want to take it!  Completely inconsistent,
illogical, etc., but for some reason this grossed me out.

Deb Platt
-- 

========================================================================
Deb Platt
dwp@cactus.org		cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!dwp
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Official" Misc.kids most popular baby names!
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:51:41 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <3427@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM>, sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
> As generated from the newly revised misc.kids "membership list", here is a
> composite of all the childrens first names and their number of occurances.
> This list is provided in alpha order.

> Don't 


Boy, and I thought my daughter was the only kid who thought her name was 
"no, honey!"...

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:50:53 GMT

rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>
>3.  [only applies to religious folk, not me] I especially wonder about
>religious parents who, even after they just told their kids that Santa
>was a big fat lie, expect their children to believe in another unseen
>person (they know only through stories from parents and other adults)
>for the rest of their lives.

Exactly!  This was one of the main reasons for my girlfriend to lose
her religion.  (Not that she would have staid a christian otherwise:
she's a sensible person.)

Freek
--
Third theory of Phenomenal Dynamics:  The difference between
a symbol and an object is quantitative, not qualitative.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:13:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.153958.9735@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.131744.14414@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec27.173429.5492@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>>[snip, snip]
>>>>
>>>>As I've said before, I'm glad I circumcised because it makes body
>>>>maintenance so much easier.  Sure, some of you have said that taking care of
>>>>an uncirucmcised penis isn't that difficult, but let's face it, I don't
>>>>remember to floss every morning and that's supposed to be easy too.  I gave
>>>>up on wearing contacts because as easy as they were to deal with, they were
>>>>more complicated than just reaching for a pair of glasses and being done
>>>>with it. 
>>>
>>>These are reasons for *you* to be circumcised, none of them are reasons for
>>>you to have your son circumcised.
>>
>>	What an illogical statement.  I mean on WHAT OTHER BASIS
>>	would someone make a judgement about something other than
>>	personal experience?
>
>Well, let's see.  How about REASON, or maybe HUMAN RIGHTS?  I don't understand
>your complaint.  Are you saying that just because you feel a certain way that
>we can automatically assume that your child will feel the same way?  How
>illogical, indeed!
>
>Jim Copeland
>--
>Have you washed your brain today?


	Really.  I see.  When I know that my kid will die if she runs
	in the street and gets hit by a car, how presumptuous of me
	to think that she would think of this as a negative.

	I suppose we should let kids do what they want.

	Come on!  What are parents for.


	"REASON" is used by our own experiences.

	"HUMAN RIGHTS"? What does that have to do with it?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:34:36 GMT

We are investigating nannies after our efforts at finding a good
daycare (with a vacancy) seem to have failed.

We are looking for care for our seven week old daughter and are of
this opinion:

when she is so small, she needs her basic needs met and we don't want
her to have to wait in line behind 2-4 other infants (ratios range
from 3:1 at centres we can't get into 'cause of the wait, to 5:1 and
even 6:1 at places we CAN get into).  We are very fortunate in that
we can afford a nanny; some moms can't and have no alternative to
this kind of care.  This saddens me.

However, I'm sure at SOME age the stimulation of other children
wins out over staying at home with a nanny.  What's that age?

We believe that part-time care might be better than full; some kids are
in care 11 hours a day.  Is there an ideal limit? 3 or 4 hours?
	       
We are considering a nanny (in our home).  In some ways I'd like
it if that nanny brought her kid(s) and in other ways I think
those kid(s) would vie for nanny time and my daughter is still too
young to benefit from other kids, other than to catch colds.

I hesitate to post this because I don't want it to turn into
criticism of other people's childcare arrangements.  I just want
some feedback; if you are inclined to criticize a particular
arrangement, maybe it would be best to send me mail?
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Leukemia Diagnosed in Pregnancy
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division


A very close friend of mine in expecting in late April (11 days before me!!)
I just received a Christmas card from her and it seems that she was told last
week that she has Leukemia.

Her routine blood tests (during early pregnancy) showed some abnormalities
and further tests confirmed the diagnosis.

I talked briefly with her husband (she was not home) and they are optimistic
at this point.  The consider her pregnancy a blessing (miracle) because
otherwise, she was told that she may not have been diagnosed for a few more
years.  Her prognosis is good because hers is "cronic myon... " CML and not
acute at this point.  

Because of her high platelet count, she may have to deliver at University
hospital in Denver which has to tools needed to pre-store some of her blood
and process to be retranfussed after delivery if needed.

Her siblings (she has 5) are all being tested as possible bone marrow donors.
They expect to do a transplant in Seattle sometime after the baby is born.

Naturally I am concerned for her and her baby.  Does anyone have info
on cancer during pregnancy (and treatment).  Can anyone tell me more about
this type of Leukemia?  How successful are bone marrow transplants assuming
that a perfect match can be found?

Thanks!

-- Susan Davis 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sandy@fc.hp.com (Sandy Arvidson)
Subject: q
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:24:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:23:13 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec29.184234.11356@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
>In article <1hpas1INNohi@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr) writes:
>|> In article <KAYVAN.92Dec28172903@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
>|> >The question for the pro-circumcision camp: Are *you* really making
>|> >the decision for your kids, or is the culture you were born into
>|> >making the decision?
>|> Well, I'm only in favor of circumcision for my own son, not anyone else's,
>|> so I don't know to what extent that makes me "pro-circumcision"... but I will
>|> do it because God has commanded me to, as recorded in the Torah, etc., etc.

>So, your pro-choice!  Don't like circumcision?  Don't have one!


Hi Gang. What is this thread doing in talk.abortion? Circumcisions are 
performed only after birth, so it is sort of irrelevant.

>|> -- 
>|> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>|> |Daniel Starr                | "Wait! Wait! Maybe THIS will work!" |
>|> |dstarr@minerva.cis.yale.edu |                                     |
>|> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Mike Noonan
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: tax deductions
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:31:38 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1993Jan1.230041.25915@athena.mit.edu> sst@athena.mit.edu (S. Tucker) writes:
>
>Ignoring the smileys for a moment, anyone who actually has the option
>of choosing which day their child will be born should consider school
>requirements as a high priority.  In my school district the turn of
>the year was the cutoff for determining which kids were classmates.
>
>The ones born in January were the oldest in their class, and had clear
>advantages in physical, mental, and emotional development.  Those born
>in December were the youngest, with corresponding disadvantages.  Some
>avoided the problem by being held back a year at the start, but then
>they were always the "wrong" grade for their age.

But I wouldn't consider it very long or hard.  In the five years
or so between birth and entrance to grade school, policies,
district lines and residences can change.

These things are best dealt with when they come up, if they do,
not in advance.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: nicklaus@lonetree.physics.wisc.edu (Dennis Nicklaus)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:49:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: High Energy Physics

Just passing on my amusing (to me anyway) anecdote:
We have a 9mo. old girl, Liana (that's "lee-ah-nah", not "lee-Ann-a").
To keep her & the tree safe, we put the tree inside of a playpen/gate
thing.  But it is  a fat tree, so she can still touch the lower branches
and we let her play with a couple cloth ornaments.
Seems to be a nice arrangement all in all.
Anyway, one night, she was standing at the gate edge, reaching up towards
the tree.  She had spotted a little gingerbread cinnamon ornament and 
concentrated on getting it.  It was too high for her, though, so she
was getting mad.  She's only had one gingerbread cookie in her life,
about a month ago, but she sure remembered what one was, apparently, because
when  I found out what she was reaching for and borught it down to show her,
she tried to immediately stuff it in her mouth to eat it.  ( I know, babies
like to put everything in their mouths, but this was definitely for eating
purposes.)

She also loves for us to take her over to other Christmas things we have
sitting out (wreaths, bells, elves, etc.) and let her pick them up and
experience them.  It's lots of fun!

Merry Christmas!
Dennis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbv@IMD.Sterling.COM (James B Vacanti)
Subject: preterm FAQ
Summary: Please send me the preterm FAQ.
Organization: Sterling Software
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:30:03 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 18e50e4d80e1569260ffffe7b684cd8c

If anyone out there has a copy of the preterm or premie FAQ will you please
E-mail it to me? Can't seem to find the keeper of this FAQ.
                                 Thanks,

-- 
Jim Vacanti   Grew up on IBM :-) mainframes, now I must learn UNIX(tm) :-(   
Sterling Software IMD    /*=============================================*/
uunet!sparky!jbv         /* "If you're not part of the solution, then   */
jbv@IMD.Sterling.COM     /*     you're part of the problem."   (??)     */
From: ryonkers@mis.mi04.zds.com (Russell Yonkers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:24:59 GMT
Organization: Zenith Data Systems

grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:


>But what if things start to go wrong?  I have no statistics, but when
>things *do* go wrong, (which they do, sometimes, and without regard
>for the health of the mother) there is frequently _very little time_ in which
>to intervene.  An ambulance ride would be too long.  So, ask yourself;
>is a home birth worth it compared to the potential for a disastrous
>delivery resulting in the death of the baby and/or serious injury (or worse)
>to the mother?

The first important point to understand is that when things go wrong there is       
almost always time for an ambulance ride!  And in the cases where there is not
then a trained lay midwife would be just as capable of handling the situation
as a doctor.  Part of the reason for this is that lay midwifes will not (as 
a rule) take on the high risk pregnancys (ie diabetic mothers etc.) where
problems are the rule and not the exception.  

We have 5 kids.  The first one was born in a hospital by cesarian.  The second
was a VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarian) in a hospital.  The third was our 
first attempt at home birth and the last two were home births.

I can catagorically say that I feel home birth to be the optimum choice.
If we are to ever have another child I and my wife would want a home birth 
again.  I feel that it is vital however that it be attended by a trained lay
midwife.  The midwife's that we used (they work as a team) have attended 
over 1000 births and have never had a baby die.  They have had a few times that
the birthing of the baby needed special attention (ie mouth to mouth to get
the baby breathing) but with thier training and experience I feel that they
are even better equipt to handle most all situations then any doctor.  Part
of the problem is that most doctors are trained in how to handle problems
and see many situations a preludes to problems and handle them that way.
Midwifes on the other hand see the birthing experience in a more positive way 
and can usually prevent the problem before it becomes a problem.  

I don't wish to sound to conspiritorial but I also understand one of the 
reasons that doctors and hospitals talk so hard against home birth is 
because they of course are losing a great deal of income from each home birth


My wife has a very good list of books that openly discuse all the issues 
and if anyone would like a copy of the list feel free to email me and 
I will send it to you.

Finally,  The most important thing to remember is that the parents have to 
feel comfortable with the home birth decision.  It is not right for 
everyone.  If you feel more comfortable going to a hospital then by all
means do so.  Home birth means in part taking partial responsibility for
ones health care and the decisions involved in the same and not relying 
completely on the health care establishment to take care of us.

My email address is ryonkers@mis.mi04.zds.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ahjarvis@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Agnes Jarvis)
Subject: Moving Again With a Toddler
Organization: Someplace in the middle of nowhere 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:13:28 EST

Could anyone give me some hints on making a move to a new city and a
new daycare situation bearable for a child who will be 3 in January?

Here is the situation:  after moving from our house in November, we
are moving now to another city where I have a new job.  Anna will be
3 in 2 weeks, and will now start with a babysitter (who has care of
3 others ages 3 mo, 2 yr, and 4 yr) -- a change from the daycer she
has been in since 10 weeks.

To complicate matters, she will spend the day we load the truck and
the day the truck unloads with me, as well as the next 2 days.  I plan
on taking her to the babysitters for this time.  Her father then takes her
for the next week.  

I start the new job during this week.  This means I have some time to
get going on this, without her about to get me crazed, but also means
she loses any time I might have in helping her adjust to a new place
and routine.

Truck comes Monday, and we move in on Tuesday.  Her father comes Thursday
to pick her up and will return the following Sat/Sun (he is insure
right now when).  By the way, he lives about 5 hours from our new home.

Any ideas?  I already have taken her to see where we will live, and to
spend some time with the new babysitter (I did not leave her there).

What else can I do?

Please respond to my new work mail address as I am not sure how much longer
I will have access to this group.  Sigh.  Will miss you all!

Mail address is:   ajar@slumus.bitnet

Will be there next week, and will start new job 1/11 so will respond after that
to any suggestions.  Thanks!

-- 
    
	               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	                    Agnes Jarvis
                         ajar@slumus.bitnet
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:23:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.151651.13614@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane) writes:
>picky about the English language, I guess.
>
>Claimer: Most of my friends, acquaintances, health care professionals, and
>downright strangers were much more determined to downplay my role in the
>pregnancy than my wife and I were.  I went with my wife to all of here
>pregnancy checkups, and I was always the only man in the office (except
>for one of the obstetricians).  The (female) receptionists, nurses, and
>doctors ignored me or talked around me to my wife.  The sole male partner
>of the practice was the only one who appeared to believe that the father-
>to-be might have reason to be included in the discussions.  At the hospital
>after my son was born, the nurses trained my wife in detail on changing
>diapers etc. and ignored me.

This is too bad!  We found an OB who included Ed in everything; her last
words to me at my last postpartum checkup were 'give my best to Ed.'
(He couldn't make that appointment.)
There were always other guys at the OB's.  (Although Ed did wimp out
of some appointments if they were very early in the afternoon or he
had a meeting at work.  Since I was the pregnant one, I had to go 
whether or not they were early or inconvenient.)

In the hospital he was the first to change a diaper since I'd had
a Csection.  He had to get involved early since I couldn't.
 
>What does this have to do with anything?  Maybe nothing, maybe I'm just
>whining.  But just as surely as I'll never be pregnant, none of the women
>who find "we're pregnant" irritating will ever be treated in quite this
>manner.  Yes, I know, I'm comparing apples with watermelons.
>
>Also for what it's worth, my wife found this "ignore the father" behavior
>just as bizarre as I did.

And rightly so.  However, some women ARE left out of their own care by
their OBs.  That's why it pays to shop around for a good OB who will
include both partners, the pregnant one and the non-pregnant one.  ;-)

As I have posted before I disagree with the concept of 'pregnant
partners', but am not rabid about it.  Hey--a thought comes to my
tired-mom-of-an-infant mind:  if the dad gets sick while he is
pregnant, should he 'call the doctor if you are pregnant or nursing
before taking this drug?'  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)  That would be funny!
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117				

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