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From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: interface library toward X-windows, MsWindows, Macintosh
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:09:07 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

Date: 16 Dec 92 23:01:47 GMT
Message-Id: <6gobh76@Unify.Com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Dec14.114316.163297@ipgaix.unipg.it>, glm@ipgaix.unipg.it (Gianfranco Galmacci) writes:
> 
> I'm going to start a project which consists of a sw tool
> to be used in different platforms( eg: X-windows, ms windows
> and Macintosh). So I'm looking for some library which can
> operate as an interface between a c-program and the various
> windows environment avoiding to build a different program
> for each standard. Does anyone knows something about
> such a library? 

Buon giorno, Gianfranco,

Take a look at Galaxy by Visix.  Their library and development environment
supports Open Look, Motif, MS-Windows and (supposedly) Mac.  It is the richest,
most extensible cross platform toolkit available today.  It supports user
interface objects (buttons, windows, text, sliders, lists, etc.), a path
based drawing model (similar to postscript), file system and OS abstraction,
a wonderful geometry manager, multibyte static and dynamic strings, multi
style text, distributed application services (client/server, peer-to-peer,
RPC, etc), hashed names, platform independent object storage, etc.  If you
need more information, you can contact Visix at:

Visix Software, Inc,
11440 Commerce Park Drive
Reston, Va 22091
(703) 758-0233

And no, I don't take kickbacks from Visix or represent them in any way.  I
have just been looking for such a toolkit for years, they provide it, and
I'm very happy with it.

> Thanks a lot.
> Gianfranco Galmacci
> Dept. of Statistics
> Perugia - ITALY 
> -- 

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From: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw (Lin Wei-Ting)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Set background color.
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:27:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:34:20 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Dec14.113420.22072@sparc4.ncu.edu.tw>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

dpy=(Display *)xv_get(canvas_paint_window(obj),XV_DISPLAY);
gc=DefaultGC(dpy,DefaultScreen(dpy));
XSetBackground(dpy,gc,pixvalue=(unsigned long)XGetPixel(ximage,k,j));
I use the function to set a canvas background color but failed.Why?

thanks a lot.
From: nenad%saturn@sdsu.edu (Nenad Marovac)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Neuron CASE tool
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:26:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:15:59 PST
Message-Id: <9212111915.AA23287@saturn.SDSU.EDU>


Hi,

Could anybody supply some info about Neuron CASE tool.  On which platform
does it run,  who makes/sells it, and the location?

thanx

N. Marovac, SDSU, San Diego, CA.
From: CFRAZIER@hdsc.ssc.af.mil (C | C Code | C Code Run, please!)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: A plea for help.  Graphics contexts
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:30:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date:    Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:56:09 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <921215155609.2a803ce2@hdsc.ssc.af.mil>
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"xpert@athena.mit.edu"

Help!  Help!  Help!

This program just doesn't work.  It won't display anything but a blank screen with default values.  Nothing in here works.  It compiles, but just displays a blank screen.  I've been working on this darn thing for days now just trying to get a single line to appear.  PLEASE HELP ME!!!


cfrazier@hdsc.ssc.af.mil

----------------------------------------------------------------



#include <Intrinsic.h>
#include <StringDefs.h>
#include <Xutil.h>
#include <cursorfont.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/DrawingA.h>

main(argc, argv)
  int	argc;
  char 	*argv[];
{
  Widget	toplevel,draw_area;
  Arg		wargs[10];
  int 		n;

  XGCValues	gcv;
  GC		gc;
  gcv.foreground =4;
  gcv.background =2;
  gcv.line_style = LineOnOffDash;
 
  toplevel = XtInitialize (argv[0],"Chalk Editor",NULL,0,&argc,argv);

  draw_area = XtCreateManagedWidget("canvas",xmDrawingAreaWidgetClass,toplevel,NULL,0);

/* SetValues of the draw_area via the unit type feature of Motif */

  n=0;
  XtSetArg(wargs[n],XmNunitType,Xm1000TH_INCHES); n++;
  XtSetArg(wargs[n],XmNheight,3000); n++;
  XtSetArg(wargs[n],XmNwidth,4000); n++;
  XtSetValues(draw_area,wargs,n);
  XtRealizeWidget(toplevel);

  XGrabButton(XtDisplay(draw_area),AnyButton, AnyModifier, XtWindow(draw_area), TRUE, ButtonPressMask|ButtonMotionMask|ButtonReleaseMask,GrabModeAsync,GrabModeAsync,XtWindow(draw_area),XCreateFontCursor(XtDisplay(draw_area),150));

  gc =  XCreateGC(XtDisplay(draw_area),
        (XtWindow(draw_area)),
        GCForeground|GCBackground|GCLineStyle,&gcv); 

/*  gc = XtGetGC(draw_area, GCForeground | GCBackground | GCLineStyle, &gcv);
*/


   XSetLineAttributes(XtDisplay(draw_area), gc,
                     7,NULL,NULL,NULL);
 

    XSetFillStyle(XtDisplay(draw_area),gc,FillTiled);

  XDrawLine(XtDisplay(draw_area),XtWindow(draw_area),gc,3,3,3000,3000);
 
  XCopyArea(XtDisplay(draw_area),XtWindow(draw_area),XtWindow(draw_area),
            gc,0,0,30,30,0,0);

  XtMainLoop();

}
From: jjd@BBN.COM (James J Dempsey)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Wanted: X session recording software
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:16:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA

Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:58:50 GMT
Message-Id: <lj3ppaINNgob@news.bbn.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Some marketing people in my company are looking for a product which can
"record" an X session so that someone could later "play back" the session
and see what went on interactively.

The purpose of this would be to show potential customers what a product
looked/felt like without having to ship them a copy of the product.

Does anyone know any X-based software which does this, either freeware
or commercial?

Please respond to Arthur Gottlieb at "gottlieb@bbn.com".

Thanks,

	--Jim Dempsey--
	jjd@bbn.com
From: denny@tss.com (Denny Page)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5/Solaris/Gcc
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:00:16 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Teknekron Software System, Inc.

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:41:45 GMT
Message-Id: <DENNY.92Dec16194145@oxygen.tss.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Does anyone have the correct magic (imake config) for building X11R5
under Solaris 2.1 (SunOs 5.1) using gcc?

Thanks,
	Denny
From: shirleyk@qualix.com (Shirley Kumamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: C++ Wrapper for OLIT?
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:54:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.

Date: 17 Dec 92 17:36:30 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Dec17.173630.3107@qualix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article 22367@cc.ic.ac.uk, wang@ps.ic.ac.uk (Haushan Wang) writes:
> 
> Dear X_perts,
> 
> I am working on a project of an OO approach to system studies.  An important
> aspect of this project is graphical user interface and system representation.
> We have decided to use C++ as the programming language, but are still in the 
> process of determining which GUI standard to base our applications on.
> We like to use OPEN LOOK (tm), so here is my question: is there a C++ wrapper
> library for the AT&T OLIT widget set, like the WWL for Motif (by Fekete) or
> UIT for XView (by SUN)?  If so where to get it (ftp for PD /contacts for commercial)?
> I am not looking for UI builders such as DevGuide, but rather
> a more abstract OO interface to the toolkit.
> I have checked the FAQ but could not find the exact info.  Please email to me.
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> H. Wang
> 
> 
> 
> email: wang@sunfs1.ps.ic.ac.uk

While I don't know of a C++ wrapper for OLIT, there is one for
XVIew which is called xv++.  It's a C++ class library (not a builder)
that provides a complete replacement API to XView.  If you'd
like more info, you can get this via a mailserver program by 
doing the following:

send an email to qfacts@qualix.com (or uunet!qualix!qfacts) and
include the following lines:
BEGIN
send xv++.info
END
Name
Address
Phone

and the xv++ information will automatically be sent to you.
From: ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X client that just sits and waits?
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:21:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: fsl

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:28:47 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Dec12.032847.12529@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

From article <1992Dec9.104532.24382@fwi.uva.nl>, by wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)):
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for a very simple (X) program: one that just waits forever
> (until it gets killed). The reason for this is that I want to be able to
> select a different window manager from within the current one, which is
> impossible if 'mwm' is the last program invoked in my .xinitrc (Of course,
> if such an 'xnop' or 'xwait' or whatever it may be called does not exist,
> I can always use some other client as the last one, but then I could never
> kill this one without killing X...)
> 
> Marcel
> 
> P.S. If anybody knows some other way of properly switch ing between 'twm'
> and 'mwm' on both a Sun4 and an RS/6000, I'd be much obliged.
> 
> -- 
>  X	   Marcel Wijkstra   AIO   (wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl)
> |X|	     Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science	
>  X	       University of Amsterdam   The Netherlands
> ======Life stinks. Fortunately, I've got a cold.========

Marcel,

	Try this in your transfer option for your menu.
	(I presume you are working in a UNIX environment.)

	    f.exec switch_window_manager

	Where switch_window_manager is a script that kills
	the first window manage then using the Unix utility
	'sleep' or the shell function 'eval' wait for the first
	window manager to die.  Once the first window manager
	is dead, then use the shell function 'exec' to start
	the second window manager.

				Tim..... 10

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From: gml4410@ggr.co.uk (Lack Mr G M)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Left handed users and X-windows
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:02:27 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.co.ggr; Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:26:44 +0000
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:20:12 GMT
Message-Id: <9212181020.AA23704@uk0x06.ggr.co.uk>

> From: anita@astro.as.utexas.edu (Anita Cochran)
> Subject: Re: Left handed users and X-windows
>...> 
> In article <BzBL0H.4Ao@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, brenner@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David L. Brenner) writes:
> > I am using X11 release 5 on a Sun workstation and have a number of users
> > that are left handed.  
> > Is there any way to change the configuration of the mouse to allow for
> > left-handed people to use the mouse in this fashion?
>
> I don't understand this question.  I am right-handed but because of the 
> clutter to the right of my keyboard, I keep the mouse on the left side
> of my keyboard and use my left hand.  Took a few days to get used
> to and most people think it is weird but it works fine.  I don't see why
> a left-handed user couldn't run the mouse on the left side too.  Nothing
> needs to be changed.  The left button is still the left button, etc.
> Am I missing something here or is the answer trivial?

     You  are  missing something.  X has no conecpt of "left button"; it
knows about Button1, (which is physically left-hand button by  default).
This  is the button under the index finger of a right-handed person, the
finger that is "easiest" to  use.   Left-handed  people  who  also  want
Button1  to  be  under  their  index  finger can swap the key order with
xmodmap. 

-------------------------- Gordon Lack ----------------------------------
The contents of this message *may* reflect my personal opinion.  They are
*not* intended to reflect those of my employer, or anyone else.
From: mdowell@dante.nmsu.edu (Mike Dowell)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Dynamic Colormaps and xview...
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:19:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Santa's Elves...

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:11:33 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Dec14.231133.12965@nmsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Dec11.225251.8245@nmsu.edu> mdowell@dante.nmsu.edu (Mike Dowell) writes:
>
>I am in desperate need of help!!  
>
>I am working on a surface plot program and would like to allocate my
>own colormap for the window with 250 colors plus my control colors.
>
>I would also like to change the palette on the fly, ie. dynamic
>colors.  I would like the same effect as the X11 program XColor which
>switches to its palette as soon as you focus on it.
>
>I can't for the life of me get all the right parameters....
>
>I have created a cms with the command:
>
>   cms = xv_create(NULL, CMS,
>                   CMS_TYPE,        XV_DYNAMIC_CMS,
>                   CMS_CONTROL_CMS, FALSE,
>                   CMS_SIZE,        NUM_COLORS,
>                   NULL);
>
>My program has the base window, a control box and a canvas.
>
>So the created cms has NULL as the owner...so then I do
>an xv_set:
>
>   xv_set(Grfbase_window1->canvas1, CMS_NAME, cms, NULL);
>
>to associate the cms with my canvas...
>
>This does not give me what I want...
>


The problem is obvious you're using XVIEW which is a piece of
garbage!!!  If you check the Xlib manuals you will find a simple
and elegant way to accomplish your task...

Enjoy!!


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From: dwight@hyphen.com (Dwight Ernest)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Special Promotion - SPARCclassics for HOME
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:39:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hyphen, Inc., Wilmington, MA 01887 USA / +1 508 988-0880

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:55:17 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Dec19.185517.25831@hyphen.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.text.frame,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.wizards,comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x

feinmann@cs.mcgill.ca (Richard JHANG) writes:

>One typo.... it is a kind of CLIENT.... not a server... oops

Um, workstations can be clients or servers, or both. 
-- 
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  Hyphen, Inc./181 Ballardvale St./Wilmington, MA 01887/+1 508 988 0880 x125
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From: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Richardson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xvertext available in comp.sources.misc
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:07:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sterling Software

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:30:00 -0500
Message-Id: <9212152330.AA23203@expo.lcs.mit.edu>

      NOW AVAILABLE
      -------------
      Posted to comp.sources.misc : xvertext version 2.0
      ----------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-----------------------

      This is a package of functions to facilitate the writing of
vertical and upside down text in an X window, which can be included in your
program or archived into a linking library. Also includes an example
program.

      Two beta test versions were released recently to alt.sources;
this release addresses many comments I recieved since then.

      Thanks for listening!

---
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From: huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help! (de)iconifying a widget tree
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:09:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CWI, Centre for Mathematics & Computer Science

Date: 15 Dec 92 09:24:09 GMT
Message-Id: <8355@charon.cwi.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello world,

I want to (de)iconify widget trees. The toplevel shells are created by
XtCreatePopupShell. I tried to do this with the setting of the
XtNiconic and XtNinitialState resources. Iconifying works but deiconifying
does not. What is wrong?

Can anybody help me out? Thanks in advance,


Huub.

-- 
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1009 AB Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Tel. 31 20 5924080
From: nballou@lahaina.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nat Ballou)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: TCP/IP and X under MS Windows 3.1?
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:41:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: NCR

Date: 16 Dec 92 22:06:14
Message-Id: <NBALLOU.92Dec16220614@lahaina.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Dec16.232100.22980@alw.nih.gov> olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds) writes:

   In article <+0d26sf@rpi.edu> act@sun.ipl.rpi.edu (just another programmer) writes:
   >I am very curious about people's experiences running TCP/IP software
   >under Win 3.1.  I am contemplating putting an Xserver onto a machine running 
   >Win 3.1 and connecting it to a Unix host to run Unix apps over the net.
   >
   >So  what kind of experiences have people had and/or recommendations.  I've only
   >just begun tis so if there is any recommended reading that would also be
   >appreciated.
   >


     I am running Integrated Inference's Machine's X11AT Xserver and it
     runs very well under both Win 3.0 and 3.1. My one complaint is that
     the icons for the X apps when Windoze is running as the manager (as
     opposed to say mwm or twm) are very boring and non-informational.
     The software is running on a 386/25 with 9MB Ram, 100 MB HD and
     a VGA card. The network card is a 3com 3c502 running PC/TCP as
     a network kernel. Hope that helps.>


I'm using a product from NCR called NCR Windows.  I work for NCR, but on
another software product.  This product is very stable, and has a nice desktop
option that supports drag and drop under MS Windows.  The product supports a
vareity of TCP/IP packages (Sun PC-NFS, Beame and Whiteside, FTP, etc.).  I'm
running with Wollongong Pathway 2.0.  The configuration of the TCP/IP package
is a bit of rocket science, especially getting things to load high, but this
really has nothing to do with the NCR Windows X server.

I'm typing this reply in under Gnus running in an emacs X window on a Sparc
displaying on my 33 MHz 486 PC running MS Windows 3.1.  I get very good
performance.

Cheers,

Nat
From: mxd8131@hertz.njit.edu (Marceline D'souza (cis))
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Need help linking X based applications
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:08:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Date: 18 Dec 92 03:17:15 GMT
Message-Id: <BzFqGv.FJ5@atherton.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x

While building several applications that run under X, I have been
receiving errors from the linker reporting two undefined symbols:
	_get_wmShellWidgetClass
	_get_applicationShellWidgetClass

I have checked the local documentation and header files, but cannot
determine which library contains their definitions.  I am working under
openwindows 3.0 and linking the following libraries:
	X11, Xaw, Xmu, Xt, Xext

Does anyone know which library I am missing?
From: smr@pki-nbg.philips.de (Stephen Riehm)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: setting DISPLAY env variable
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:54:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 17 Dec 92 09:59:47 GMT
Message-Id: <smr.724586387@hitkw14>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

rns@deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Sturrock) writes:

>Hello,

>is there a way to set the DISPLAY variable to be the particular workstation
>you are using inside ".bashrc".  That is, I want every new xterm, for
>whatever host I happen to be logging into, to have DISPLAY set to my
>workstation.  Note that my workstation will vary, so I can't just
>hardwire

I have seen several ways of doing this, none of which are really
standard:
    1> if you are rloging in to start new hosts, you can fudge the
	display name onto the end of the TERM variable, and then pull the
	TERM variable apart in your .*rc file, to re-construct the
	original TERM and DISPLAY vars.
	something like:

	    setenv TERM "$TERM $DISPLAY";rlogin host

	and in .cshrc:

	    if ( $#TERM != 1 ) then
		setenv DISPLAY "$TERM[2]"
		setenv TERM "$TERM[1]"
	    endif

    2> some versions on xrlogin and xrsh allow you to specify a list
	of ENVIRONMENT variables to be passed to the remote shell. read
	the man page to see if your local system supports this

    3> I personally find the above fine and dandy but some how not
	nice. So I have the following in the .cshrc (should be easy
	enough to convert to sh style)

	if ( $?prompt ) then	# only useful for interactive logins
	    if ( ! $?DISPLAY ) then
		echo No DISPLAY is set, use the default ? (my_workstation:0.0)
		if ( $< != "n" ) then
		    setenv DISPLAY my_workstation:0.0
		else
		    echo -n "Please enter the name of your DISPLAY : "
		    setenv DISPLAY $<
		endif
	    endif
	endif

Appologies for this being in csh, and not bash/ksh/sh style.
Think of it as a fun way to learn the differences between csh and sh,
if you don't already know them that is.
(hint for 1>, you will have to use a "set -- $TERM" to split it up
again!)

take your pick!

catchya

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