From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:38:32 GMT

From article <BzqIC5.1wA3@austin.ibm.com>, by tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee):
> In article <1992Dec23.184857.24618@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>
>>Unfortunately, you do not look into how many Taiwanese were killed by
>>KMT and why SOME of the past TI movement was violent-prone.
>>
> 
> Yes, I did. And, I did know many Chinese were slaughtered by Taiwanese mobs 
> during 228. And, TI terrorrists are indeed violent criminals based on their 
> acts. Why don't I see the Taiwanese being accused of such violent crimes?
> Sigh. ROC government is so wimpy to let go of these mobs. Well, that's
> another story.
> 
> 

Unfortunately, you still missed what happened to Taiwan after WWII to
1947.

>>
>>Are you telling me that those Manchurians' and "Han Jiens"' lives were
>>just shits 90 years ago and Dr. Sun and his gangs had all rights to
>>kill?
>>
> 
> Don't put your words on my mouth. Apparently, Hottentot is only an
> euphemism to describe you. And, keep your bovine dejecta to yourself.
> How do you come up with the number 90?
> 

Tell me Dr. Sun and his gangs' act is violent or not.

90 is just an arbitrary number. I should say late 19th century and
early 20th century.

>>Are you telling me that those Taiwanese deserved to be killed and KMT
>>had all rights to execute in "228" and 50's/60's?
>>
> 
> See my first paragraph. In fifties and sixties, CNP government performed
> its proper responsibility to prosecute seditionaries, spies, secessionists
> to stabilize the social order (according the CNP propaganda) including
> not only the so-called Taiwanese but a lot of Chinese. That's not my
> opinion, in case you are humor-impaired.
> 

Thanks for the clarification.

>>Tell me how many people were killed by TI movement? You cannot just
>>assert "TI terrors involved many people's lives, families, and friends"
>>by what you think TIers should have done. You did mentioned below that
>>you have few knowledge of TI terrors. Then the assertion seemed weak.
>>As far as I know, old TI movement never killed anybody else. 
>>
> 
> Yes, it is very strong. And, the people killed were let believe they
> were martyrs, and were used to blackmail the CNP government.
> Just cite some evidences from the newspaper force me to believe TI movement
> is indeed very violent. Your last statement is by far the most rediculous
> one ever seen.
>

You cannot just accuse anybody killed somebody without proof. You are
kind of losing your control. Please correct my "rediculous" statement with
evidence, okay? Mr. Cheng and Mr. Jan killed themselves. They did NOT
kill anybody ELSE. And nobody else killed them. If you still don't buy
it, then tell me whether there was anybody being accused of killing
them.

>>Through the most recent election, I estimate that pro-TI ratio is
>>about 35-40%. This number encourages me to estimate that Taiwan will
>>have a referendum on this and declare itself an independent country
>>by the year 2000.
>>
> 
> Doesn't the election outcome show your number of estimate is wrong.
> The situation is temporary. People will and shall select a true suitable
> candidate to the public office after the heat goes down. The good candidate 
> is the one who proposes
> the welfare of the public, think of the future of Taiwan. The bad candidate
> is one who favor fanatic movement, blackmail the government, exploit social
> disorder to achieve political ambition. 
> Well, we have a new prophet who foretells the future of Taiwan for us.
> I will save it and in case it were not cashed, show that in the net to
> humiliate you.
> 

I have no problem with that. I may be wrong. I think I know you better
- a person who likes to humiliate somebody else because he/she is
wrong. What can I say?

>>What is "CNP"? Kind of curious about who do you think I am.
>>
> 
> Chinese Nationalist Party. The tone appeared in your last article
> sounded like CNP propaganda. And, I don't give a hoot who you are.
> 
>>
>>Heng-Hsin
>>
> 
> 
> -- 
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>  * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
> \* Ty Lee                                                                    */


Heng-Hsin

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