From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is (12)
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:19:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Continuation from part 11:

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian), you write:

>Dear Farzin: Salam
>I'm sure that you are aware of many things that many of the SCI readers
>are not. For example the fact that followers of Mirza Husseinali are
>exchanging their books (for better ones!), returning some of them every
>year (because it is not good for them!) etc. Of course they all do this
>without any question. For example they are asked to return a certain book
>for exchange.The new book is almost the same as the old one, but they never
>ask the reason for the exchange. Now, this is very funny, but that is the
>way that they are trained! (You know the reason for the exchange is nothing
>but to fix some of God's mistkes, misreresentation and mischief! For example
>the first printing of the "Ighan", the most important book of Mirza is not
>available. The reason is that it contains the most obvious mischief of Mirza
>the God. 

For the nth time. Baha'u'llah is neither God, nor a reincarnation of God. 
Baha'u'llah is the Manifestation of God. The implication of this is like 
the appearance of the sun in mirror. Sun represents God, and the reflection 
of its light from mirror represents Baha'u'llah.

Copies of Iqan are available in the original handwriting of Abdu'l-Baha
in Farsi in the Baha'i world center. Copies of Iqan published in various 
countries are also available for examination. 

There are 2 copies of Iqan available in English, one translated by one of 
the Baha'is during the time of Abdu'l-Baha, and the other is the official 
translation of this book by Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Baha'i
Faith.

There is no exchange of books going on, outside of the confinement of your
mind.

>In the next publications this misquotation has been corrected.
>However, the line of reasoning in the new edition is lost, which indicates
>the change. This sort of change in Bahai's miracles is too many to mention)

This is a product of your own imagination. Please demonstrate your point. 
I have read the Iqan several times and I am very interested to learn what
you have to say about this issue. Please present a summary of what Iqan
is all about.

>Some of very imprtant works of God is not available in English. The reason
>is that there is no way to fix the cotadictory nonsenses in them. I guess
>these books includes the book of "Badii' " by Mirza. It is in this book
>that he calls Subh-e-azal a "Goosaleh" and a "khar" (Pages 9,12 for first
>fact and page 174 for the latter).

I have a copy of this book available, please generate the statement. I'd
like to see a couple of sentences, preferably a paragraph in order to 
supply context (I have offered an example of this in one of the previous
sections -5- of this posting about destruction of books.). I do not wish 
to type 3 pages of Farsi using English characters into this forum. Yet, 
if I have to I will.

>Mirza Husseinali (Bahau'llah!) Was never imprisoned for FOURTY Years. He was
>arrested because of an attempt on the life of "Nasereddin Shah", but very
>briefly, and with the help from foriegn ambassadors he was released.

All his belongings were confiscated, and He was Banished to Baghdad for
10 years. Then to Constantinople, then to Adrianople, and finally to the
prison city of Akka. Please refer to the postings by Babak Mohajerin.
If you are interested I could elaborate further on this issue.

>There are enough in Bahaii books to prove this and I can provide the details
>if necessary.

Please do offer your proofs, and make your point. I can only respect you
for such an action.

>Mokhless, ...

>p.s. The order to destroy the books etc is on page 198 of Bayane Farsi (but
>in arabic, and incidently the arabic of these semi-Gods is unique to themselves
>and an arab may not understand it!, let alone a persian or ....)

:-) The Arabic of Prophet Muhammad was unique to Himself as well. People
laughed at Him and His style of writing. Ironically the Qur'an is today
the model for the Arabic language. Both the Persian and Arabic style used
in the Writings of The Bab and Baha'u'llah, as well as the English 
translations of these Tablets by Shoghi Effendi, will become the model 
for Arabic, Persian and English language. Your assertion is no more valid
than the contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad.

>There are many books that the Bahais are not allowed to keep or even to
>see. I can mention almost all writings of Bab, different editions of
>"Ighan" and some writings of Mirza in Farsi. 

:-) I beg you to demonstrate this issue!

>You see, Bahais are told that
>this is a new religion and has nothing to do with the Babi religion, and
>so there is no need for the books. However, even going through some of the
>messages which has appeared in SCI, one can see that Bahais desparately
>need Bab's teachings.

I humbly suggest you consider understanding what you read prior to 
attempting to educate others. How well the poet says: "TA mard sokhan
nagofteh bAshad, Ilm-o honarash nahofteh bAshad." [Not until one speaks,
the level of his understanding is demonstareted.]

I will end my comments here, and beg the forgiveness of the readership
of this group for the length of this reply.
						Part 12 of 12
Warm regards,

Kamran Hakim