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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:31:29 GMT

In article <2346@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>IMHO, life is too short. But if somebody really wants to complain to
>the Japanese government, why not do so instead of complaining here.
>Or is somebody from the Japanese goverment monitoring s.c.j.? 

Does anybody remember reading in one of these newsgroups sometime
last year, that a group of Chinese people went Japanese Embassy
(Consulate?) to hand a letter regarding Nanking massacre and that
a Japanese official, with an impassive facial expression, asked
students to show/produce *proof* of such massacre?  Hey, don't flame 
me for vague references (some time last year, a group of Chinese etc.)
of what I read in the net because *I* know I read it and hope somebody
else also did to conform it.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40 years ago
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:43:15 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) */:
:Here is a piece of news from CND:
:
:[Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died
:in the street, after tangling with one of the city's dreaded woman bus
:conductors.   His nightmare began inside the bus when the ticketpuncher
:snarled an insult about the shape of his backside.   She swore at him,
:slapped his face and broke his glasses, made a grab for his testicles, then
:stood back and aimed a vicious kick at his private parts.  As he scrambled
:out of a window, the driver -also a woman- slammed her foot on the
:accelerator pedal and sent him flying. (From: Di Bi Cao)


I do not see such news from CND. 

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From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (,,,)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:14:05 GMT

From article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, by jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu):
>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
> here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after 4/11/1990.
> I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
> would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
> protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
  ^^^^^^^^^
> We should report our situation to IFCSS.
> 
> -Jianxiong Zhu
> Syracuse University

Give me a break!  And give IFCSS a hard time! :-)
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From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
    <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> <1992Aug16.205819.21328@news.iastate.edu> 
    <1992Aug17.014625.17822@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> 
    <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:01:48 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:

>[garbage deleted]

>You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
>apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
>sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
>soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
>will get it sooner or later no matter what.

BARBAROUS Japanese? Well now.. We get to the heart of the matter at last.
Far be it from me to claim to be an expert on the matter, but surely there
must be a REASON the Japanese "barbarians" think they are superior to everyone
else, but I don't think being barbaric is what they had in mind.
Would it have to be pointed out that a government that runs over its own
unarmed students is displaying barbaric, unacceptable behavior also? It's
funny, but it seems like everyone I know think the Japanese are barbarians.
Such a comment could only come from antiquated thinking. Besides, what are
you going to do? *EXTRACT* an apology from the Japanese?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Reply-To: guohsu@mercury.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:33:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.234008.24901@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>  
>> Two things:
>> 1. Borrow as much as possible from Japan and the don't return the money;
>> 2. Find some excuses and nuk the whole japan.
>> 
>> Take you pick.
>> 
>> Tao
>> ##
>If there are only two ways, I will take the first one! After all, will you feel
>better if you destroy 100 millian innocent people?
>
>Carl
------------------------------------
Are you guys serious ?
i) 1 is not a desent way to seek justice. It can do only one thing:
ruin the reputation of Chinese. Even the $500 Billion plus in USD 
compensation(ASSUMING they paid) can not make China rich.
ii) 2 is a solution when there is no hope to get the justice(this is the
motivation behind it, not an excuse), I HATE this happen.

    We are demanding justice for whose who lost their lives and properties,
and the destructions to our country, etc, etc, ... lead by Japanese
intruders begining in 1931.
    From what I learnt, the Japanese government and some of their people
do not have the intention to admit the monstrous crimes, to compensate for 
the destruction, neither to educate their young in this matter. 
This indicates one day, the same invasion may(will) happen again.
A greater disaster is befalling to Japan.
    They seem to have forgotten the Chinese generosity to them, they may 
totally ignore it till we Chinese build up a strong, powerful China ourselves.

I am a civilian from Northeast China.

Allen
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From: zgu1@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Zhichong Gu)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:45:59 EDT

This is just a test.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 22:58:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <l8lm3lINNhu9@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.180741.23878@zip.eecs.umich.edu> (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
>>Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the
>>compensation money. 

>  What do you mean ? 
>
As usual, Yi-Chien's TIer standing means "0", nonsense!

The compensation to the victim of air accident is based on how much insurance
the passengers buy when buying ticket, plus how much the airline company 
insured.

I did find some mainland folks intending to skip buying accident insurance.
In the international air-ticket, the insurance is automatic included in the
ticket fees. So, a round trip ticket is cheaper diving by two, comparing with
a single trip, that has one insurance only. If you buy ticket for single
trip back and forth for the same journey, it will cost more on insurance
(two times insurred).

The air travel in China does give passengers a free choice, to buy or not to
buy insurance. Furthermore, the foreigners have to pay more for tickets
(almost twice more than the local residents). CCP provides a discount ticket
fees for HK and Taiwan folks, that is the price between local residents and
foreigners (Taiwanese folks are semi-Chinese in buying tickets :-) ).

Thus, the compensation has different rate for different people.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ygong@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Yebin Gong   )
Subject: test 
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:08:36 GMT

Just a test.
From: zhou@okra.fnal.gov (Ping Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:32:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: okra.ZHOU.92Aug19153157
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL

>>>>> On 19 Aug 92 17:15:55 GMT, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) said:

  Dave> Yes, exactly. Accepting a fact-of-life, a fail-accompli, is no crime.

  Dave> Maybe if you just went for a postive outcome and got your life
  Dave> together for yourself, you wouldn't be concerned about whether or not
  Dave> somebody else apologized or not. After all, that's *their* problem,
  Dave> not yours ;-)

So it's OUR problem, then why are YOU so CONCERNED whether WE ask for any
apology or not ?  Doess your life lack some TOGETHERness ? ;-)

-Ping
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From: FUH@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:58:30 GMT
 <1992Aug17.182318.14736@news.acns.nwu.edu>
 <Aug.17.14.52.30.1992.468@terra.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

But I will!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:33:43 GMT

szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou) writes:

>As I know, many Chinese, a number of Asian People, as well as some
>westerners, donot like Japs.  I am not thinking about which side's
>fault.  But, if you don't like Japs, you can refer Japan as 'it',
>'its' instead of 'her' which sounds sometimes or somewhat
>uncomfortable though that is western tradition.

>ming
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>My account must have HIV, so this is not my account.
>CLAIMER: I am from Beijing, China

There are people who do not like the Japanese, there are even more people
who do not like Japanese business practices and there are even more
people who do not like people who use racist phrases. Perhaps your 
command of English in not sufficient for you to know that "Jap" is not
considered nice.


Charlie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:52:02 GMT


Chi1 Bao2 Le1 Cheng2 De4!
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: THOUGHTS ON ORIENTAL CULTURE II
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:17:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <9208041738.AAulrik06327@ulrik.uio.no> ingar.holst@ADMIN.UIO.NO  
writes:
> zzhang@physics.rutgers.edu wrote:
> 
> >I find your message on soc.culture.china absolutely insulting and
> >disgusting!  I must tell you, you know nothing about China or 
> >Chinese! I feel sorry for your shallowness, narrow mind, stupidity,
> >arrogance, ingorance and after all, jealosy! I can feel the jealosy
> >burning in your heart. That must make your life miserable. Your
> >life will be shortened by quite a few years, poor guy! But, then, 
> >you deserve it! 
> .... 
>
> >I agree that China or Chinese have their problems, just as western 
> >countries have theirs. All these problems can be solved by learning
> 
> The first step to solve China's problems must be to overthrow the
> CCP. The second step must be to launch a large scale international
> programme to civilize the barbarian Chinese people. Teach them not
> to spit and urinate in public, teach them to comb their hair, how
> to tie a tie, teach them how to stand orderly in a row waiting for

I agree with zzhang that Ingar Holst is arrogant. Why should Chinese
people learn how to tie a tie??? Only stupid Euro-centralist would
consider that wearing tie is a sign of civilization.

> the bus, teach them not to steal, cheat, fraud or lie. I think this

I don't know what's wrong with western countries. They have democracy,
they can select whoever they like to lead their countries. But look what
kind people they select!! Liars, thieves. Presidents steel money from
their grandchildren, Congresspeople write bad checks, etc. The problem is
not only among politicians. Name a Italian company which doesn't frued
on their tax return. Name a company president who doesn't lie. They are
so greedy that even millionaires didn't hesitate before joining the rank
of LA rioter!! Comapre to the situation before 6/4 in Beijing, I believe
Chinese people do have better quality and discipline. It seems western
people love to reward thieves and liars and yet they blame people from
other countries for those. What a joke!

Hao Xu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23419 soc.culture.taiwan:12120 soc.culture.hongkong:9955 soc.culture.japan:6988
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:28:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1992Aug20.003556.16931@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <4329@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>>>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>>>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.
>>
>>So Chinese people should accept both massacres because two governments
>>refuse to apologize.  Remarkable.
>>
>>-- T.H. Tse
>
>No. I think the point is that Chinese should demand change (in the
>form of apologies, revised textbooks, etc.) from their own gov't just
>as much or more than they do of Japan. Japan won't listen and won't
>apologize if China's position appears to be hypocritical in such
>matters. If your position is consistent I have no problem with it. If
>you apply Japan to a different standard than your own country I do
>have a problem with it.
>
>In fact, the point is that you *shouldn't* accept either massacre.  It
>appears the Chinese people have silently accepted the Tianmen Massacre
>because I don't see any public movements to demand an apology for that
>atrocious act of the Chinese Gov't. In that light it appears somewhat
>hypocritical to put so much effort into changing the policies of a
>gov't that isn't even your own when you appear to have plenty of work
>to do at home in China.
>
>-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
>               CompuServe:  70402,3020
>               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266

Okay then, so put of the apology to China.  I didn't hear any 
Japanese apologies to North & south Korea, Chinese government in Taiwan, 
the Philippines, Malaysia, Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia, Camboalia[sp?],
Singapore, Hong Kong, Indonesia, the hundreds of thoudsands of kidnapped
military prostitutes from all over East & South East Asia, and from
Japan herself.  the hundreds of thoudsands POWs in death camps from US, Canada,
Britian, the non-white POWs it masscared(you guys really got off easy,
don't you know that?)  the millions forced laborers from all over 
East & South East Asia, the people they used for live germ-warfare experiements,
the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.  

Let's face it, they just won't apologize to ANYBODY.  Who's
being hypocritical?
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Is this racist?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:38:00 GMT


          A chinese student requested an extension to continue living
          in the low-priced university housing.  An international
          student adviser writes down the following in a memo
          regarding this:

          "The Chinese may be polite, but they know how to work thro
          the system .... My chinese friends told me to be strict with
          chinese and chinese will run all over you if you let them."

          Now, people claim this racist and demand the
          person to resignate.  The whole thing is unfolding here on
          this campus.  The student association at the U. of O. wants
          to remove this person from the position.  Negotiation is
          going on.  I wonder how you guy would "ding4 xing4" for this
          comments and what you would do.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.201317.10857@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>
>Normal people in China only have voting rights to elect their
>community representatives. These representatives can only have
>right to be in city congress. National representatives  are 
>generated from community representatives.
>
>Basically such process fits the situation in China. China cannot
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>afford an election like U.S. The quality of community representatives
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is big question. Voters barely know their candidates who normally
>are chosen by the CCP.


I don't see why China can not afford election. Maybe you mean China is
not ready yet. Look around the world, there are some other places people
can have free elections. At least China should try to develop a system
that people will have a say about their leaders. There is no excuses for
dictatorship whatsoever. 

The election system in USA is not perfect, so much attacks on other side.
But it at least gives people a feeling who they like or not. Do we know
anything about the top guys in Beijing about their governing principles?
Personally I don't.
From: nihong@oregon.uoregon.edu (Hong Ni)
Subject: Info needed GB to Big5 transfer programs on PC and/or other machines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: 17 Aug 1992 23:49 PDT  

Greetings!

Anyone out there happens to know where to obtain some utility programs that
can transfer GB-format files to Big5 files on a PC and/or other systems?
Any big-5 printing programs?  I know there is something called "gb2ps.exe",
but is there a "big52ps.exe?"

I appreciate your information.

Hong Ni
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: inflation and unwanted goods
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:50:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to People's Daily (22 July 1992), the GNP of China for 6
months (January - June 1992) increases 10.6% compared with the same
period of last year. The inflaction is 5% compared between this
period and the same period of last year.

According to People's Daily (oversea section, 10 August 1992), 
"unwanted goods" increase US$4.75 billions in the end of June 
compared with the beginning of January 1992, while the plan for this 
year is to descrease US$1.82 billions. However, there are 16 provinces 
(or super-cities) managing to decrease the amount of "unwanted goods" 
in June compared with 9 provinces (or super-cities) in May 1992, while 
remaining 26 provinces (or super-cities) contribute to the increase of 
the amount of "unwanted goods".
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NO InterNet site in China [ was RE: The internet site at Fudan University ]
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:01:53 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

kuang@rdsparc2.CSELT.STET.IT (Kuang Jiaxing) writes:


>Dear SCC readers,

>I am lazy, since Jia-Yin Ma posted his wonder about Internet link to
>Fudan to SCC, I have received more than 30 junk mails (test...),
>Liu Dong (dliu@ace.njit.edu) has posted SCC about the story I applied
>for IP net number, I thought it should be clear to all SCC readers
>there is NO Internet site in China, I seldom read SCC, it is full of
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FYI, the first Fidonet connection will in operation in Shanghai in two weeks.  
It will have a direct link to the Fido in Hong Kong and then Hong Kong to 
the States.  More Fidonet sites in China will appear sometime in the future. 
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
From: yao@perform1.tti.com (Yuhan Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Immigration
Keywords: USA, Canada, Australia
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:26:55 GMT
Organization: Citicorp TTI


Many people in Hong Kong and mainland China want to immigrate to other
countries.  The overwhelming favorites are the States, Canada, and Australia
(not necessarily in that order).

How are these three countries compare to each other?
I'm interested in comparisons on all aspects of life, like material living
standard, education, career opportunities, health, and so on.

It's sad that we have to leave our hometown, in search of a better life.
Well, which country is better?  and for what reasons?


Yuhan Yao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china