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>> DRACULA is off the list.

Is Dracula being considered a success? How much has
it made to date? How much is it expected to make?
How much did it cost to make? How much does it
need to make to break even? Where do babies come from?

Just curious,

Dan.

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From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Subject: Re: annoying nuances in films
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.005309.5170@fid.morgan.com> maus@fid.morgan.com (Malcolm  
Austin) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.223935.5210@cs.uow.edu.au> stephen@cs.uow.edu.au  
(Stephen Lance Rogan) writes:
> [...]
> >Dont get me wrong, I understand it must be a huge task, but I still think
> >they must stop and look at a rough of what they are doing accasionally.
> >
> 
> Well, first of all, I doubt they get a "rough" of what they are doing when
> they are doing it.  Even assuming they see the daily rushes, that won't
> help much when they are doing their job the previous afternoon.  And it's
> not like the director is going to order retakes because someone's potato
> moved on his plate.  I do think they take a lot of Polaroids, though.
> 
> [...]

I have a friend who does freelance lighting for film and video, and he has  
mentioned something to the effect that everything that is filmed for a movie is  
videotaped at the same time (Beta format is preferred) so that essentially the  
dailies are available immediately.  

I've never really interrogated him about this.  Does anyone know how universal  
this practice is, or the details about how it is done?

PN
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TOYS
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:43:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1h4gmrINNe19@transfer.stratus.com>  
lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann) writes:
> This is one of the most frustrating movies of recent times.  For  
the third  
> time, Robin Williams has made an overblown movie of style over  
substance (the  
> other two being Popeye (which I liked) and Hook (which I really  
didn't)).   

I liked all three to some degree, and probably liked Toys best
of the three.  

I tend to agree that it was "style over substance," and that the
first half was better than the second. Still, I thought it was
fun and marvelously inventive.

It seems, however, that we are getting more and more films which
are mostly style, with little substance.  Hook was a good 
example last year. Almost any film by Tim Burton is another good
example.  David Lynch's Dune is yet another example.

One problem with these types of films, at least for me, is that
they wear off.  I really liked Batman Returns when I first saw
it; it was fun to watch. But with time, I've reached the point
where I feel it was OK, but rather flawed.  The immediate effective
of the imagery was positive, but not enough to make it a good movie.


> Williams played the quietly manic son of a recently-dead toy  
manufacturer whose  
> inheritence is passed on to his uncle.  Joan Cusack played his  
sister and Robin  
> Wright played the woman he gets interested in.  I don't remember  
the name of  
> the actors who played the uncle or Cousin Patrick.  I think the  
actor who  
> played Patrick was acting in his first movie, and he played his  
role so  
> straight that he provided a perfect foil for Williams and Cusack.
> 

Patrick was brilliant. As you say, he was the perfect foil for
Williams.  

> The first hour of this movie is full of delight and fun surprises.   
The writing  
> is a tad weak, but the acting was pretty good considering.  In a  
movie like  
> this, the acting usually dies before the writing does, but that  
didn't happen  
> here.  The art direction and camera angles were inventive.  The  
movie starts to  
> fall apart in the middle and dies during the last half (though the  
last ten  
> minutes or so return to being quirky).

Where the writing particulary falls apart is in the little things.

(SPOILERS FOLLOW)


For example, the writers had to find a way to make Patrick turn
on his dad.  The whole business of discovering that his lover
had also been his dad's lover is silly.  I could just picture the
writers sitting around saying "Well, we got to make Patrick find
out something about his dad that will make him help the good guys.
How can we get someone to tell him something that will turn him.
Ah, I got it. If we have him be a lover with someone who is 
also his dad's lover, he can find out something secret from her."

----------------------------------
Jim Mann
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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From: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran)
Subject: Francais movies
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:55:38 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp, Orlando, Fl


Please recommand good French movies that one can get from rental outlets.

N.Tran
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
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Subject: Re: Underrated Actor:  Alan Rickman
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:27:15 GMT
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Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:
| Definitely Alan Rickman.  I saw two films he was in this weekend.  One was  
| "Close My Eyes" where he played the husband of a woman who has an affair
| with her brother.  The other was "Truly, Madly, Deeply" -- a film I heard
| being called the film that "Ghost" should have been (and I agree).  Both
| films are highly recommended.

Once again, I am highly confused.  What is one of the most
highly aclaimed actors today doing in a discussion of
under-rated actors?

While he doesn't have box-office draw of people like
Costner, Rickman is *very* well thought of.
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: If Ming is not Max von Sydow, then who is Ming and who is Max?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:04:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.144352.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
>For similarly bizarre and fun character role for Max check him out
>as King Osric in _Conan the Barbarian_.  I bet both those roles 
>must have been fun for him to play.
>
>Greg Bole                         "I have crossed oceans of time to find you."
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         Gary Oldman in _Bram Stoker's Dracula_

My fave off-kilter Von Sydow performance was Brewmeister Smith in Bob and
Doug Mackenzie's "Strange Brew".  A quantum leap from the body of his work,
but a hoot he is, and fun he must have had.

I agree totally about Osric, too.


Later,
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From: d40937@boole (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Rental Costs (was Re: Millers Crossing)
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:47:41 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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"Kenneth E. Mohnkern" (km2a+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: At the place we rent from (Heads Together) in Pittsburgh, it's $2.00 on
: all but the new releases (2.25), and as you rent more, your rate drops.
: We're down to $1.75 now, rapidly closing on 1.50!
: 
:      ken

Oh god !!!! I envy all of you... We have to pay 4$ CAN god damn dollar
at the local video store. I could have bought the store with the money
I have given them. Even in the cheapest stores it is still over 3.25$ CAN,
but you need to take the car, or the bus and lose 20-45 minutes to
get to them and get back. Videos are an expensive proposition around
here (Montreal Canada) if you don't rent movies with a group. If alone
it's cheaper to go to a matinee showing at the movie theater.


--
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From: gratrix@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix)
Subject: Gifted Child Stars Was: Re: The Culkinator! 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:07:29 GMT

lorreen@meiko.com (Lorreen Pelletier) writes:

>hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>: >A couple of examples of movies in which he's given very good, not too
>: >precocious, performances are "Parents" (I think), with Steve Martin, and
>: >Uncle Buck (with John Candy).
>: >
>: >
>:    But in UNCLE BUCK, he was really a very minor character; John Candy
>:    and the daughter were definitely the major characters.  The PARENTS
>:    I'm familiar with is a dark comedy dealing with cannibalism and
>:    has Randy Quaid, Mary Beth Hurt (I think) and I'm not sure who 
>:    does the excellent role of the kid, but it's not Culkin.  Don't
>:    know what movie you mean with Steve Martin.
>: 
>:    all IMO, of course, but not IMHO! 
>: 
>:    Wayne
>: 
>Sorry, the movie I meant was "Parenthood" (couldn't remember it
>yesterday).  Your point about these being minor roles is well
>taken--perhaps he's better as a "character" actor than as a full-fledged
>star--Maybe he just can't hack it.  Thing is there are so many (especially
>on TV) truly obnoxiously precocious children, that I think Culkin's
>performance in that regard is pretty subdued.  And I've seen him
>interviewed, and think he interviews very well.  As far as the "Home
>Alone" bit goes--I think it's simply a bad movie (and would imagine II is
>as well), not necessarily because Culkin's in it.

>BTW, thanks for your opinion.

>--Lorreen
> 

After reading all these posts on Culkin's performances, and the lack
of talent therein, I'm interested in what child actors people think
turned in good performances.  The best performance I can think of
off hand would be Ricky Schroeder in "The Champ".  Another gifted
actor was Doug McKweon(sp?), who had a part in the "Centennial"
series and also had a significant role in "On Golden Pond".


Jackie Gratrix

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From: mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca (Reginald Martin u)
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal like movie
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:30:09 GMT

John K Humkey (jhumkey@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: 
:    I saw a video on MTV recently "Girlfriend" by Matthew Sweat.
:    Th music was ok, but the Heavy Metal like scenes in the video
:    were very nice.  Were they just part of the video, or part of some
:    real movie?
: 
:    Thanks
: 
:    jhumkey@cup.portal.com

I can't say for certain, but in an interview I saw with him, I got
the impression that it was made for the video just cuz he likes
comic books and japanimation.

Reg
mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca.
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From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: anybody else remember this film?
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:05:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.173304.12651@bellahs.com> jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.154206.14430@dde.dk> pck@dde.dk (Peter Roboz Kristensen) writes:
>>dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>>
>>>I've been scratching my brain over this one, can't find a listing in the
>>>usual sources, and no one else seems to remember it.
>>>  
>>>Back in about 1965 I saw a movie whose premise was the Israeli war of
>>>indepnednce against the British and Arabs.  The key point was it followed
>>>some illegal immigrants arriving hidden in shipping cartons.
>>
>>Films covering the subject is "Exodus", but
>>
>>>I'm -pretty sure- one actress was Sophia Loren, but none of the references
>>
>>I don't think Sophia Loren was in it.
>>
>>>Sorry I can't recall much more....  ANy hints greatly appreciated.
>>>  
>>Me neither at the moment.
>>
>
>Paul Newman was also in it. 
>-- 
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>John Jamison
>Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
>jjamison@bellahs.com

There was anothe movie whose title I don't remember with Sophia Loren
and Kirk Douglas about a high ranking American Army oficer, Billy Mitchell,
who emigrated to Israel just before Israeli independence.  John Wayne also
made about two brief appearences.


Hope this helps.
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REVIEW: LEAP OF FAITH
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:48:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Keywords: author=Webb

WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!

In article <1992Dec23.145044.28208@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
>			     LEAP OF FAITH
>		       A film review by Jon Webb
>			Copyright 1992 Jon Webb
>
>     Steve Martin plays a con man revival preacher who goes through a
>life-changing experience.  Part of the film is a look into technically
>sophisticated cons -- identifying people in the audience with particular
>problems so the preacher can call on them as if God told him they needed
>his help, using wireless microphones to control the show with the aid of
>a computer -- and part is a story about a man's relationship with, well,
>God.  It's an interesting film in that it doesn't back down an make
[.....]
>     Another problem with Steve Martin's role is that it is undeveloped.
[.... ]
>     I liked this film.  But it's a lot more shallow presentation than its
>subject matter demands.  A little more soul-searching by Martin's
>character, which might have been provided had the relationship with
>Davidovich been more developed, would have made it much stronger.
>
>-- J

I think the film can also be viewed as a character study of Jonas Nightingale,
the snake-oil evangelist character Steve Martin plays. Duped when young,
he now cheats and tricks and is the guy who always wants to be the manipulator,
the one who is "in control" of the situation. Try to out-trump him, and he
raises the stakes. Eventually, however, he meets his match, and he does not
undergo a crisis of faith so much as a crisis of control. I don't think it was
underdeveloped at all, and Jonas is definitely one of the most interesting
characters to have appeared in the movies of the recent weeks.

Another great theme of the movie is the friendship between Martin and Winger's
characters. Strong male/female friendships are lacking in the movies, and
even though it isn't developed incredibly well, it is a nice change.

***1/2 out of 5 stars. Definitely one of the better movies of the holiday 
season.

Chua
From: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Digital Dolby (was Re: TOYS)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 07:10:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
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<1992Dec19.220841.28070@microsoft.com> <MERLYN.92Dec25103335@agora.rain.com>
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)

In a previous article, quale@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Doug Quale) says:

>Sorry, Dolby Digital is strictly a 35mm format.  If you see it in 70mm,
>it will be in the Dolby A type noise reduction magnetic 6-track analog
>recording, which has greater headroom (louder louds without clipping)
>than Dolby Digital.

Sorry, the maximum sound level of 70mm magnetic soundtrack (3% distortion) is 
100dB.
Dolby SR-D has the potential for 105dB.
-- 
Jeffry L. Johnson                                    CWRU Film Society Alumnus
Technologist, HLA Lab, Institute of Pathology, CWRU/Univ. Hosp. of Cleveland
Projectionist, Centrum Theatre;      IATSE Local 160  Officer: Examining Board
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbuster
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:04:19 GMT

>: Video Station. The people who work there love film and are very, very
>: knowledgable about it.

So, they don't stock P&S VHS?
-- 

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From: yasoda@ecs.isl.melco.co.jp (Gyota Yasoda)
Subject: Re: Most shocking film in my childhood
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric, Ofuna, Kanagawa, Japan
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:08:45 GMT

    I have this one movie that I remember which terrified me when I saw it
(12 years old?). I only remember that it was called "Blind terror", and it
had something to do with a crazy killer that happens to come to a family's
house and kills the parents of a blind teenage girl, and most part of it
is about her trying to hide away from his grasp. The face of the killer is
always hidden from the screen, and only his cowboy outfit is shown to the
viewers.
    The suspense was really chilling.

    Does anybody know more about this movie? I saw it on TV in Melbourne,
Australia, and don't know if it was a featured movie or a TV movie.

        Gyota Yasoda
          Research engineer
            Mitsubishi Electric Corp., Japan
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Movies about the Maya or Cortes?
Keywords: maya
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:58:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Has there ever been a movie made about Maya people or Aztec?  About Cortes?  
I've got a friend writing a book about this era/area and would like 
inspirational fictional movie footage to "get her in the mood!"

Adv-Thanks-ance
Jann VanOver
vanover@atc.boeing.com
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From: rsengupt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rita E Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:41:16 GMT


Is Andie McDowell rated at all?  Does anyone take her seriously?
Don't think she's been in anything else...Green Card would have been
better with someone else...
Can't think of who else right now...
Goldie Hawn and Gerard Depardieu?
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: The Cook...Lover/women's response
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.060611.25351@netcom.com> estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer) writes:
> Later she told me that she was deeply offended. This reached 
> the point emotionally that I was targeted for a spell and 
> then all men became the target, and finally she settled 
> down and claimed that only insensitive (or very young 
> and stupid) men would like anything in that movie. 

I know many men who have liked it and are neither young and
stupid nor insensitive.

*I* liked it.  Given that, I might claim that anyone who decides to
label everyone who liked this film as male and either young and stupid
or insensitive might fall into one of those categories themselves.

I'm sorry your wife was offended.  But I am offended by the idea that
liking a film that has received a not insubstantial amount of critical
acclaim automatically labels me as male, and stupid, and insensitive.

> But I see that there aren't many women posting to 
> these groups. While I don't want to discourage the 
> opinions of men I do however, somehow want to encourage 
> the opinion of women. 

While it's not 53%, there are still a lot of women posting here.
And those of us who post don't exactly need extra encouragement (right,
Laurie?).

> *** Specifically I want to know if women find the 
> film particularly offensive to women, and if they 
> consider this to be a normal or expected reaction. 

Again, I don't find it particularly offensive to women.  I am not
surprised if people are offended by it, but I expect the offense to be
general rather than gender-specific.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MOVIES, as of 23 December 1993
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:52:36
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In-reply-to: mattm@apple.com's message of 31 Dec 92 03:19:28 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
|Malcom X, on the other hand grossed forty million.  Halve that for
|return to the studio.  Subtract another ten for promotional 
|expenses.  The movie's twenty million in the hole.  And while
|Dracula is a story that will sell overseas, do Europeans and
|Japanese really care to sit for 3 and a half hours on the life of
|a radical American black activist?  I doubt it.

Actually, I suspect they will (how have Spike Lee's other films done
overseas, by the way?).  In the States I don't know, but half the
people I know are waiting until after Christmas to see it (and no, I
don't have any clue why).

|One might call the film a "White Elephant" if one were a particularly
|masochistic pundit.

Or not.  How much of the cost of the film was donated by Cosby, Oprah,
Jordan, Lee himself, et al?  Wasn't it order 15 million?

--
Peace.
               "Okay, okay... let's see.  Perfect woman.  Nice face,
                great tits, great ass, good personality.  In that order."
          "Why that order?"
               "It takes friends longer to notice a bad personality."
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