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From: lee@nihon.ucs.ualberta.ca (Lee Cameron)
Subject: Fischer Revolution Micro Skis (skating)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:42:31 GMT

   Has anyone tried Fischer's new skating ski that only comes in 147cm length?
On the rack it appears snappier and stiffer than other short (165cm) skating  
skis. I have swiped my girlfriends short skaters the odd time and really like  
them for long or very steep climbs and narrow trails but I am too heavy for  
them to hold up for long. The Fisher seems well made and durable. The down side  
is that its companion model for traditional  style is a no wax "fun" ski. I  
don't know if the skate is in the same catagory as the traditional model or is  
it a serious ski.
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:22:22 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

The best thing I think you can do is the same thing you do on the highway
-- try to be aware of all that's going on around you.  It's hard if someone
is directly behind you, but don't start out in front of someone coming down
the hill above you, especially if they're obviously not very good or skiing
at high speed.  This last week, during ski patrol training, we were
executing wide slow turns.  There was a kid across the slope from me, maybe
sixty yards away.  I started my descent, working into my turn, when this
kid just took off, straight dowhill.  I could see we were heading on a
collision course, so I made my turn sharper to get out of his way.  The
kid, either because of panic at the possible impact, or simple his
inability to control his speed, came apart in a tangle of limbs, snow and
skis off to my right a few yards.  When I got down to the trainer, he said,
"Well, he did everything he could to take you out!"  The only reason he
failed was because I was paying attention.  I did get smacked once by an
older guy at Powder Mt., Utah, when I'd stopped to help my then-beginner
son with his skis.  I looked up to see this guy coming and put my head and
shoulder down to take the blow.  It didn't knock me down, but this guy
exploded, pretty much like the kid.  It pays to look uphill once in a
while.

And lest you become the unguided missile, ski in control.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: snodgras@cs.unca.edu (Ryan Snodgrass)
Subject: Where is the best Spring skiing in the Rockies?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:14:07 GMT

Where is the best Spring time skiing in the Rockies?  I was in Big Sky a few
weeks ago and it was spectacular, is it pretty good in the Spring?  How about
Aspen or Vail?  Are the crowds gone there?  I usually ski blue runs with a few
black ones miced in to have a little challenge <grin>.  

Thanks,
Ryan

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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:03:52 GMT

harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
>Actually, toothpaste _is_ abrasive, as someone else pointed out. A thin
>film of detergent will stop the fog, but I don't know how good it is
>optically.  The fog won't form on the detergent.  However, I don't use it
>'coz I don't wear glasses, so this is just hearsay. 

Actually we were just using this method with our snorkeling
masks.  It works great.  We just had a bath of soapy water that
we would dip the masks into.

--Chris

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From: volden@worf.arc.nasa.gov.arc.nasa.gov (Tom Volden)
Subject: Skis & Boots for SALE
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:26:42 PST
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I have the following items for sale:

SKIS

	- 195 cm Olin 930i skis with Tyrolia 360D bindings
	   Skis and bindings are in good condition with approx
	   10 days use.  $150 or best offer.

BOOTS

	- Nordica Comp S boots, black
	   Good condition, about 30 days use.  $75 or best 	   	   	  	   offer.

	- Dolomite boots, grey/blue
	   Fair condition.  $25 or best offer.

This equipment is for sale because I haven't skiied for 
several years and donUt expect to any time soon.

Please e-mail to tom_volden@qmgate.arc.nasa.gov
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From: psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Subject: Re: Custom Insole info wanted
Summary: Cork footbeds make a *big* difference for $150.00
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: orthotics footbeds inserts insoles
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:24 EST  

In article <1jhshuINN3th@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, davek@voosh.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
>I just finished my second weekend on custom insoles (aka "orthotics"/"footbeds").
> 
> 
>Building these involves about 30 minutes wherein the insoles are heated,
>you apply your weight down onto them under guidance and then suction is used
>to pull the orthotic snugly up against your foot for overall snug fit.  The
>technician's skill level is important: he or she must be skilled at guiding 


I agree!!  I just had some custom footbeds made while I was in Telluride.  
They were $85 (although there were others a bit more expensive).  I have a 
very high instep and high arch, and clamping down on the boot adjustments 
caused my toes to go numb.  The footbeds made a world of difference!

The shop I went to in Telluride is called "Screamin Doggies".  (What a name
, huh?)  It's located at the Coonskin lift base facility.  I was totally 
impressed with the technician who worked with me.  He was very 
knowledgeable, and really demonstrated the skill level mentioned above.  

Maureen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
From: %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:31:32 -0700
Organization: BYU
Keywords: Help me!

Hello,

I have an astigmatism (sp?) which is, by and large, uncorrectable with 
contact lenses.  Thus, I must wear glasses when I ski.  Likewise, wearing  
goggles is a good idea.  Together glasses, goggles and high levels of 
exertion result in a good deal of fog buildup on the glasses.

Does anybody have any suggestions for an industrial strength anti-fog?  
Here's what I've tried:

"D-Fog": diving mask de-fogger, bought at a SCUBA diving shop in Dallas,
"Fog-X": by the makers of "Rain-X" for your car,
"Fog Free": skiing specific anti-fog soloution bought in a backpacking/ski 
            shop near Ft. Worth (Texas),
Scott "No Fog Cloth": self explanatory,
Spit: this seems to work for divers, but didn't for me!
tooth-paste: Somewhere I heard that this works as a fog inhibitor, but I 
             haven't tried it yet.

I may have done the most exhaustive research yet into fog inhibitors, but 
none of my work has resulted in an effcient defogger (probably the best 
was the SCUBA stuff).  If anyone out there has a secret home remedy for anti-
fog stuff, PLEASE, let me know.  I am at the mercy of the condensation 
gods!
                                 _
advaThanksnce,                  (_) 
                              __/___        Earn Your Turns!
Mike                         / /__  \
email me at:                /  \  |  \
%MikeW@canc.byu.edu       _____/__|____/____/
From: bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach)
Subject: ski school info wanted
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:50:25 GMT

Hi all, does any of you know a good/reasonable price ski school in Big Bear
or San Gabriel Mts area?  I can go down black diamond okay but I look kinda
awkward.  I think I need ski-instructors to help me out with my turns.

Any info/suggestion is greatly appreciated,

Bach

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From: michael9@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Michael Sullivan)
Subject: Tune new skiis?
Summary: wax?
Keywords: new
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:22:12 GMT

  I've just had my new Head CX6's that I won in a contest deliver to me, and
seeing that this is my first pair of non-used skiis, I was wondering if there
is anything in particular that I need to do with them before I use them.

  The edges don't feel as if they have been filed, so I guess I need that done?
What about wax, etc?

	Suggestions, anyone?

-- 
|uunet!garfield!michael9|'"Proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing,"|
|michael9@odie.cs.mun.ca| says God.  "But you have given us proof," says      |
|POB 756,St.John's,Nfld.| man, "Therefore you do not exist. QED." "Oh, my,"   |
|A1S 1G8                | says God, and disappears in a puff of logic.'       |
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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:38:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.003229.25519@vexcel.com>, tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:

|> 
|> I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
|> He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
|> barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  
|> 
When I sprained my MCL I was told that ligaments NEVER really heal. Certainly
if its torn it will not. If its merely sprained (i.e. stretched) you may
be able to avoid surgery by strengthening the muscles around the knee.
-- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:56:44 GMT

I note that we should have an FAQ panel devoted to this previously discussed
topic.  One poster before me suggested helmets should be a skiing requirement.
I noted this inevitability might happen along with suggesting to what
extremes self-protection might go (satire for the humor impaired).

In article <1993Jan25.133323.28257@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca
(Stuart Paynter) writes:
>A better solution would be have skiers take lessons from qualified instructors
>so they learn to ski in control and not to ski beyond their ability.

Now let me get this clarified. (Since this is the US and Canada talking here).
Are you suggesting a REQUIREMENT of lessons?
For instance, should certification of skiers be required?

I don't believe that the original poster would see this as a solution
or that it should nullify the requirement of personal safety gear of this
type.  Please clarify.

>Some simple common sense and consideration thrown in for good measure and that 
>should cut down on the number of collisions on the hill!

Common sense isn't so common.
He was not talking people to people collisions.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:42:49 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.


> I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
> He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
> barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  

> I just wanted to get the net.opinion on this statement.  Has anyone
> else done this and successfully recovered without surgery?

Tom,

I completely tore my ACL and partially tore my MCL 11 months ago on a NASTAR
course.  My Orthopedist told me I could let it heal itself via scar tissue or
I could get the knee reconstruction.  His recommendation was for the surgery
because I am fairly young (26) and very active.  His justification for 
recommending the surgery was that I would have too much movement within the
knee between the femur and the tibia/fibula which would cause a great deal of
wear to the soft meniscus cartilage.  He said if I was 15 years older or not
very active, he would treat it with a limited range of motion brace for 8 
weeks along with several months of physical therapy.  

I am not sure from your post if your ACL is partially torn on completely torn.
From what I understand about partial tears, they can heal on their own but
rarely to 100 percent.  I guess you need to consider the severity of the tear,
your age, and the frequency of your athletic activity.

Good luck!  Let me know if you need any more information.

Jeff
From: evensen@husc8.harvard.edu (Erik Evensen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: opinion on Karhu Kodiak-Kinetics?
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:10:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA

I have the opportunity to buy some brand new (unmounted) Karhu Kodiaks
and I'm wondering if anyone out there has any opinions on them. I
don't want to do any lift-served tele at the moment but the urge could
arise the in future. I mostly want to do out of track touring which
could include some significant downhill sections - does it make sense
to think I could telemark or make some parallel turns on these boards?
I like having a waxless base but I'm concerned that not having full
length edges could really hamper the performance of the skis. Oh, I
could also want to do some real back country touring (if that's any
different than out of track touring)...

Does anyone have suggestions for bindings and boots. I'm intrigued by
the latest NNN-BC stuff but am also strongly considering three-pin
bindings with Voile plates. Anything else I should think of???

Thanks a bunch!

--Erik
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 21:53:37 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center

In article <1993Jan27.231836.23853@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>A brief look at this newsgroup
>>would tend to give the impression that is is for American skiers only.
>
>That's because computer networks were developed in America,
>so we have a head start (net.ski was started as an AT&T thing).

I guess the rest of us will just have to shout louder.
Deep breath...  SO, HOW'S THE SKIING IN VAIL?

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz 
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: ???Ski Reports???
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:02:57 GMT


Saturday, 23rd Jan:

Hautes-Alpes:

Serre-Chevalier	40-140

Isere

Alpe d'Huez	30-250
Les 2 Alpes	30-220

Haute Savoie

Abondance	 0-  5
Agentieres	 0-290
Avoriaz		 0-150
Cham.		20-290
Megeve		 0-100
St. Gervais	 5- 60

Savoie

Les Arcs	 30-300
Le Corbier	  5- 80
Chourcheval	 25-160
Meribel		 10-135
La Plagne	  5-300
St Foy		 20- 40
Tignes		122-350
Val d'Isere	 88-140
Valmorel	 10-140
Val Tho.	110-300

left figure, depth in cm at base of pistes, right figure, depth at summit of
skiable pistes.

Weather outlook:

Monday, snow in French Alpes, Massif Central and Jura above 500.
Tuesday cold, no precipitation, warming towards end of week with further snow
in mountains.

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes,email Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: Places in New England where you can ski to your room?
Originator: waw@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:47:07 GMT

From article <9301210119.AA18346@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>, by John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>:
> Every few years my family has a big ski reunion.  In recent years we've gone
> to Stowe and stayed at the Toll House (now pretentiously called the Inn at
> the Mountain.)  It's overpriced and run by obnoxious idiots, but the many
> family members who have small kids really like the fact that they can ski in
> and out of their rooms, making short forays with small fry practical.
> 
> I'm trying to find other places that we can go to next time.  They need to
> be in New England or nearby (some aged aunts in New Hampshire couldn't come
> if it weren't in driving distance), have decent skiing, decent food, and
> ski in and out.  
Smugglers Notch and Bolton in Vermont. Smugglers is real popular with
families, and bill themselves as Americas Family Area or something like
that. Niether has quite the same skiing as Stowe, but they are probably
cheaper (although the condos at Smuggs aren't real cheap) and certainly
friendlier (Stowe was never synonymous with helpful or polite).
-- 
Wesley Alan Wright <Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu>      ___      /^\
Academic Computing Services                ____/   \----/   \_
University of Vermont                  ___/    In the Shadow  \_
Burlington, Vermont 05405-0160 USA    /   of Mt. Mansfield, Vt. \
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: K2
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:11:05 GMT

pggreen@juliet.caltech.edu (Green, Peter G.) writes:
>censtad@nic.gac.edu writes...
>>I just saw this movie and if you haven't had the chance to rent it...  
>>please do so.  The mountains are truly a gift of God.
>> 
>The movie K2 was filmed in the lowlands of Pakistan and the
>mountains fo British Columbia, Canada.  (The Mt. Waddington area
>I think.)  There may have been one still photo in the backgournd
>of @K2 itslef.

We just saw the movie "Alive", it had stellar scenery.  I don't
know where it was filmed, but I would guess some combination of
Andes & BC.

--Chris
From: mffowler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Your worst nightmare!)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Tahoe rental wanted...
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:23:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I would like to go up to Lake Tahoe for the President's weekend.
Starting from Friday the 12th through Sunday the 14th.  I am in need of
a condo for rent.  If you can help me please E-Mail me.  It would be
for the nights of Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.  Thanks in advance!
 
 
I would prefer to ski Squaw, but, am willing to stay in most areas.
-- 
  mffowler@flute.calpoly.edu   | Michael F. Fowler
                               | California Polytechnical State Univ.
                               | Department of Ornamental Horticulture
                               | San Luis Obispo, California
From: panageas@protocol.zycad.com (Sam Panageas - 8/7/92)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: K2 EXTREME skis for sale
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:59:31 -0500
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: panageas@protocol.zycad.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: beer.protocol.zycad.com
Keywords: Skis for sale


I have a pair of K2 "EXTREME" skis with GEZE G95 bindings for sale.
They have been used only once.  Great all around ski,  and lot's of
fun in the bumps.  The length of the ski is 204cm.  Looking for $460.00 
or b.o. for the package.  Any questions youcan email me or call at
(201) 347-7900.


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From: b1hg0jv@kato.BELL-ATL.COM (Benash)
Subject: New England Ski Report Wanted
Summary: Mt. Mansfield
Keywords: What's The Base?
Organization: Bell Atlantic
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:11:56 GMT

I'm planning a ski trip to Stowe, (Mt. Mansfield). Can anyone tell me what
the current conditions are?

If anyone has the ability to post a New England Ski Report I'd appreciate
that as well.

Ray Benash
b1hg0jv@kato.bell-atl.com
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Orthotics?
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:57:56 GMT

There's been a bit of discussion about orthotics lately and was wondering
if anyone has heard of "Peterson or is it Peters" orthotics?  I can
get a deal at the ski shop that sold me my boots (princeton ski shop).  
They said these are thermal-formed orthotics and will cost me $45.  Is
this worth it?  Is the Manufacturer any good (those who can interpret my
low-information, thank you)?

As back ground, I originally started thinking about having this done
to reduce the volume of the boot under my arch and forefoot.

Thanks,
	-Jerry
-- 
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*	Jerry Zemaitis		      *  University of Medicine and Dentistry *
*         aka: JerZe		      *  Robert-Wood Johnson Medicial School  *
*     Predoctoral Fellow              *  Graduate school of biomedical Sci.   *
*                                     *  Center for Advanced Biotechnology    *
*                                     *    and Medicine                       *
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*	"This morning, I shot 6 holes in my freezer/                          *
*	 I think I have cabin fever/ somebody sound the alarm"                *
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From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: JACKSON HOLE INFO WANTED
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:20:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com


If you can believe the national weather report it appears that Utah, Wyoming, etc......
are getting that dreaded January thaw.  Bring the ice carvers.

mg
>
>That country often gets warm in January.  It even has a name:  "The
>January Thaw". ...and they are sure not getting very much snow this year.
>I think they had more at Thanksgiving last year than they have now.  But
>the usually case is that they have powder snow somewhere. ...more often than
>not.  And it is not a big surprise for them to have chest deep powder.  Two
>and three foot dumps are commom.
>
>
>                                     NCW
>  



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From: kasha@twolf12.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:54:06 GMT
Organization: University Of Washington CAD
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ee.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: twolf12.ee.washington.edu

Now hold on.  Except that you can't get a decent bottle of beer (say a
Newcastle or other that I assume do not produce  a 3.2 version), its a
great idea.  You've skied all day  (this is rec.skiing, isn't it?) and
you want to rehidraytate (sp?) youreslf for the next day skiing, sounds
just fine to me.  When I have 11,000 foot peaks, and champaign powder
snow and no ome skiing sundays (mormons mostly go to church), and easy 
access, well, I'm happy to drink the stuff.

dan
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Skiing at Steamboat
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:09:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Joe Bushinski (joeb@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com) wrote:

>   I think Steamboat is one of Colorado's nicer ski areas. 
>   They have some of the most challanging black diamond

 Not. They certainly have some fine cruising and (when I was there) some
 fabulous snow, but difficult runs? ...in their dreams. That's not to say
 that Steamboat isn't a great hill, it actually is a pretty dang nice place
 to ski. It just shouldn't be considered a challenging expert area. If
 that's what you're looking for then you should be elsewhere.

 ..glen




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