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From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Summary: It sucked.
Reply-To: eprice@sql.sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.170407.24310@walter.bellcore.com>
tedk@jpl.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ted Ko) writes:

>I think that's the first time I've heard anyone say they really disliked T2.
>Personally, I put it in my top ten of all time.  What about it was so bad
>that it deserves comparison with Highlander 2?

Hear it again:  I really disliked T2.

It was an action-adventure movie for children.

I do not believe that it deserves comparison with H2, because H2 was
simply *incompetent*.  T2, as much as I thought it sucked, was not at
all incompetent -- it is very impressive, technically.  (And I happen
to be a bigger fan of Terminator than of Highlander, so perhaps my
disappointment with the sequels reflects my enthusiasm for the
originals.)

I will now attempt an analogy to explain the difference between T1 and
T2: It's as if you were a big fan of Slayer and bought their second
album and it turned out to be the New Kids on the Block.  I'm not
going to argue with fans of the New Kids that their music is *bad*, it
just happens to be not the kind I want to hear (and similarly, the
production values of the music is not the issue).  And it's not that
I'm expecting more of the same (a remake of the first album/movie),
but obviously I want something with the qualities that appealed to me
originally.

BTW, I've listenened to very little Slayer or NKotB, but I didn't
think an analogy using jazz would be as comprehensible to most people!

Does this help explain it?

-Ed Price             (not Tim Worsely)
eprice@sql.sybase.com (not wildman@...)
`A situation has arisen necessitating an ambivalent relationship
between science and technology, as both jointly bring forth exquisite,
mortally dangerous offerings.'  (Stanislaw Lem)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:08:47 EDT
From: <PAK114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: george miller
Distribution: rec

Ok, how about this.  Which George Miller produced DEAD CALM for Phil Noyce?
I say DR. George...


          CHAINSAW
From: pitt.edu!laurelp+@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: don't look now
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:36:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.174339.25407@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> 
irwin@horton.Colorado.EDU (IRWIN JULIE R) writes:
>Had anyone seen "Don't look now" with Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie??
>It's one of those movies that sticks with you-- I'm still trying to
>figure it out.  I liked it, but feel the need to talk about it in
>case I missed something.
>Any "Don't Look Now" experts out there? 

I am not an expert on this one, but I have seen it and I enjoyed it. Just
inserting the .02 cents! 
    Laurel
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: the fountainhead
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.150136.25082@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

> > I think of this movie as the worst translation from book to film (edging
> > out Dune).
> 
> You have clearly never seen the 1930 version of MOBY DICK.

Well, there's always "From Here to Eternity".  The screenwriters
totally copped out on the barracks brutality issue, presumably to get 
Army cooperation.  The movie portrayed Pruitt's "treatment" and the 
goings-on in the stockade as happening behind the back of the top brass, 
when in the book, and in real life,  the brass encouraged it.

They also dropped a thread where financially-strapped soldiers played
golddigger with the local gay community.

Then again, considering the thematic compromises they had to make in
order to get the picture made, the screenwriting Oscar probably was
deserved.

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From: boulder.Colorado.ED!citrin@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:56:00 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <92204.114318JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu> JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>    Another related subject that might be worth bringing up is
>the movie that isn't really a musical, but contains a lot of
>music all the same.  >The Cotton Club< and >Dick Tracy< are
>two recent examples (both of which I liked very much).  This
>seems to be a fairly recent phenomonon; I can't offhand think of
>any older films that have quite the same mixture of music and
>action, without, strictly speaking, being what one generally
>considers a musical.  Anyone have any suggestions for older
>examples of this genre?
>

Cabaret
New York, New York
Fame

All films with lots of musical numbers, but they're all presented as 
musical performances within the context of the film.

Wayne
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From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: The soundtrack of Until the End of the World
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:09 GMT


When I first read this thread, I was really psyched--someone had asked about
the Peter Gabriel song that appeared in UTEOTW.  The song really spoke to
me while I was watching the film, and I assumed for some innane reason
that it would be on the soundtrack, BUT IT'S NOT!!!!  ARGH!!!

And now you guys are all posting lists of the songs that are on your
albums, but none of them appear to contain this song!!  And what what I want
to do is get back to someone else's question:  Does anyone know where
this song is?  Is it on a previously released Peter Gabriel album?
Is he releasing it later on another cd?  And what is the name of the
song anyway?

--Karen


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From: wkm1@nestor.uucp (24102-messer)
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:48:50 GMT
Summary: 1776



You're right!
1776 is a great musical...


Always gave me a warm feeling about my home town, New Brunswick...
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer? HUH?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:48:27 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <1992Jul17.171716.29414@cbnews.cb.att.com> rjf@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.j.fredette) writes of Paul Rubens:

>Oh, I'm sure he could pull it off.

Robert, how long have you been waiting for an appropriate time to make this
comment?

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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Christopher Walken
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.225543.6139@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> k_workman@csc32.enet.dec.com (Karen Workman) writes:
>
>Can you or someone refresh my memory as to who James Woods and Peter Weller
>are?  What have they played in that they can be recognized for?
>
>-kw

Peter Weller was Robocop, Buckaroo Banzai, and was most recently in
_Naked Lunch_.  James Woods has been in quite a few movies, some
good, some bad.  The one that I remember best is _Videodrome_ directed
by David Cronenberg, who coincidently directed Peter Weller in _Naked
Lunch_.

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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: One False Move
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:33:44 GMT

In article <BrppL0.I5u@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>Has anyone else seen this find crime film? It stars a bunch of unknowns

Well, *most* of the cast is unknowns, but Bill Paxton is a fairly well-known
actor in some circles.

>and is directed by a little-known director, Carl Franklin.
>It is mainly about some LA cops who have to work with a stupid Arkansas
>cop. That may sound like a goofy comedy but it is a low-key suspense
>story with great characters (and is extremely violent). I sensed that
>the director was deliberately steering away from easy laughs.

Definitely. The humor is present but played down most of the time.

>A read one review that called it the most original crime film in years;
>another called it dull. Give it a try.

I enjoyed it. It's not the typical fast-paced crime drama, but it holds
your interest (IMO).

                                             -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: dcpiii@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (pawlak dan)
Subject: Re: BatMan Returns really shocked me
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:50:44 GMT

gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:


>A bloody shame!

Yes it is...that people like you can't let yourselves go, put all your 
troubles and problems on hold and sit back and enjoy a movie without feeling 
the need to over analyze and give us your opinion on it.
Gary: try writing (directing, acting in,...)  a multi-million dollar movie...
I'll be sure to be there for it...
and remember:"It's just a movie, I should really just relax..."

Long live the Bat!
Dan Pawlak send all hate mail to dcpiii@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:28:55 GMT
Subject: Re: pinocchio (1940)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

In rec.arts.movies, eric.walker@channel1.com (eric walker) writes:

> FRAJM>mysterious, amusing, emotional, and frightening. The level
> FRAJM>of art makes one want to yell "Stop, wait a moment, I want
> FRAJM>to study this frame" over and over again. Unfortunately for
> 
>      That's what CAV laserdiscs are for!

Yes, but unfortunately Disney put the CAV Pinocchio (cat# 239CS) on
moratorium years ago, and it is now a major collector's item.  There is a
recurring classified add in Laser Disc Newsletter from someone trying to
obtain a copy.  The CLV version (239AS) is probably also out of print.

After the current theatrical re-release is completed, Pinocchio LDs may
re-appear.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
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                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Christopher Walken
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:31:56 GMT

In article <6799@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> delanzo@sparc22.hri.com (Michael  
DeLanzo) writes:

> Two people that Walken "hangs around" with are James Woods and Peter
> Weller. Now if that doesn't tell you how strange he is ... If I saw the
> three of them walking down the street I'd run the other way. 

Wow, three actors with highly delineated facial lines. What a trio a mugs.  
I saw Peter Weller in NY, while I was eating at a street cafe. He was  
wearing dark sunglasses, probably trying to appear anonymous, but he was  
dressed too well and there's no way anyone could miss that jawline...

AK
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Feminist Perspective of Batman Returns
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:22:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul24.082252.76
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute


Regarding all this discussion on the feminist perspective of Batman 
Returns:  How do we fit in Catwoman's complicity in the kidnapping 
of the Ice Queen (or whatever she was called) and apparent lack of 
real remorse over her death by Penguin?

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
From: dling@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Ling)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:49:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

The beginning was weird and very enjoyable (in a weird clever way).  The
last 15 minutes was a drag, as the final fight scene dragged on an on,
with the constant agonizing sound of 

"AaaRRRGGGGHhhhhh!ArraaaAAgggh ... !"  (spelling the same in English as 
					in Japanese)

Worth seeing for the stop-go-action scenes, and if you want to come out
of the theater feeling grimy and unclean.

By the way, there was a short before Tetsuo, called "Drumstruck".  I liked
this better than the main feature.
From: cae.wisc.edu!giffen@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:14:00 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

I adore An American in Paris.  Between Gershwin music and Gene Kelly 
dancing, how can you lose?

I also can't get enough of Into the Woods, but I've only seen this on PBS,
never on video even.

Hilary Giffen
giffen@cae.wisc.edu
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From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: Re: UNLAWFUL ENTRY
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:32:01 GMT

I though that UNLAWFUL ENTRY was a very good movie, but I had two
complants

first, the previews gave away too much of the film which made the
beginning of the movie pointless

second, the movie's storyline reminded me too much of Internal Affairs
in certrain ways..

overall, it was a very entertaining movie
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Subject: Re: Help wanted: Basic Instinct
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:32:47 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

garks@otago.ac.nz writes:
> Hi, Basic Instinct has just made it's way down here in New Zealand.  My
> friends and I are a little confused on some aspects of the plot, so can anyone
> forward a synopsis of the movie for me?
> Some questions are; how involved in the murder/s is or isn't Beth, was there a
> collusion between Beth and Catherine? and did Catherine set Beth up to be shot
> knowing whatshisnames predilection for trigger-happiness?

   Beth doesn't have any connection to the movie, other than getting set up to
take the rap.  Yes, Catherine apparently set Beth up to be shot, knowing our
pal the shooter would be really on edge, expecting Beth to be the killer, and
ready to shoot anything that moves.

   It seems that Catherine was planning this thing for a while, having already
selected Our Hero for the victim before he went to her house.  She designed an
elaborate set up so that Beth would also be a probable killer.  Then she let
her plans come to fruition.  
   Actually, I think Catherine was planning on Beth NOT getting shot -- if Beth
was dead and then Our Hero was murdered afterward with an ice pick, it would be
clear to all that Catherine was the killer all along.  _Thatt's_ why she didn't
get him at the end.

Max Zener
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From: hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong)
Subject: Re: HK Movies (Was: Diary of a Hitman)
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.161320.11580@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>
>Maybe.  I don't know anything about the rotten Hong Kong films, since
>only the best ones tend to make it here.  Of course, there are probably
>a number of rotten American films that mercifully fail to immigrate, too.

Well, HIGHLANDER II was in other parts of the world even before it opened
in U.S... :-)  Fortunately, HARDWARE hasn't made its appearance here
yet...

>
>Woo has just signed to make his first American film.  It's a Jean-Claude
>Van Damme vehicle, which is not a very good sign, in my opinion.  If I
>were Woo, I'd have held out for a film with a real actor, rather than
>a wooden performer with excellent martial arts skills.
>

And in another report, Tsui Hark has refused offers from Hollywood (no
studio names were mentioned in the newspaper report) to direct a film
there.  Apparently, Tsui Hark has remarked that he is a Chinese, and
would rather direct Chinese films.

Heng Cheong
  hcleong@iti.gov.sg

From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:49:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Review: Cool World Rocks
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies


I, too, saw Cool World this past weekend, and consider it to be one of
the biggest wastes of $6.75 I've ever spent (actually, $13.50 if you
include the SO).

The animation was striking in places, but I found myself distracted
in most scenes by the (goblins? extras?) additional characters which
seemed to fly through most of the scenes -- for example, the first 
scene where the detective visits Holli.  I saw _SOOOO_ many characters
flying by that I couldn't concentrate on the action (what of it there
was) occurring on the screen.

And the acting -- I've got to give credit to Brad Pitt and Gabriel
Byrne, and name them co-receipients of the "Bob Hoskins How-to-React-
to-an-Empty-Space" award.  However, after Basinger took over in the 
flesh, the movie just lurched to a halt, as far as I was concerned.

I guess the best one-liner I heard about the film was the reaction of
one of my friends with me at the theater -- "It's the seedy side of
Toontown, seen thru the eyes of an Acid trip".

I can't say I disagree.  Maybe having chemicals coursing in my
bloodstream would have helped my appreciation of the movie --
or at least occupied the boredom.


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From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: the fountainhead
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:31:26 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Disorganization Datorganization

In <1992Jul25.1414.29563@execnet> "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com> writes:

>Is Gary Cooper's "The Fountainhead" available on home video?

Yep, sure is. ..



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From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Bill Forsyth and Comfort and Joy (was Housekeeping)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:34:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Jul20.105613.13978@husc3.harvard.edu> fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick) writes:

>	I know it's out on video too, because I've recently been on a Bill
>Forsyth hunt - a largely unsucessful one, because the real point of my search
>is _Comfort and Joy_ which I can't find anywhere.  Does anyone know if it's
>out or not?  Should I just stop calling places? 

	If you're willing to spend for it, you might consider renting
	from Home Film Festival.  They charge a membership fee and higher
	than normal rental rates, but they do have Comfort and Joy, 
	Housekeeping, and the even more obscure That Sinking Feeling.
	The phone number is 1-800-258-3456.

	Hope this helps.

	annette
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Need Clockwork Orange Info
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul22.151012.29902@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com  
(Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
> 
> So what's Gene's song?
> 

Singing in the Rain, sung over the closing credits.

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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Greta Scacchi - Any fans out there?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:46:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Since nobody else has done it, I'd like to plug the little-known British
thriller DEFENSE OF THE REALM.  Scacchi has a fairly small role that
doesn't amount to much, but the film is very good.

Wayne

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From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Delicatessen
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:47:05 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Jul23.224404.29034@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>I saw "Delicatessen" last night.  A lot of fun, but a baffling
>experience.  French cinema noir, but as comedy.  Every scene hazey,
>slightly out of focus, browned.
>What did I see?
>-- 
I thought that it was like a combination of Eraserhead and Brazil.

mike

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From: odin@cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Granrose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Date: 26 Jul 1992 02:48:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


yep@wam.umd.edu (--!!HEY!!--) writes:

>anyone heard of it?
>worth seeing?

I haven't seen it yet but I've heard a lot of good things about it.
Our local alternative theatre is showing it in a few weeks and it's
written in to my calendar.  I don't have the review handy but it sounds
like a very strange movie.  I can hardly wait.

Jon
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