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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Moron
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:28:53 GMT

From article <1992Sep10.204536.25435@osf.org>, by bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith):
> In article <1992Sep10.174444.24158@ntmtv> bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley) writes:
>>> (A bunch of stuff deleted...)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bruce Smith
>>
>>Hey!  If anyone should know about the Bills, it is Bruce Smith.  By the
>>way, Bruce, thanks for the stomping you gave my Rams :^(.  How's the
>>knee?
>>
> Well, both knees are just fine, thanks. My hands are doing okay, too, and thus
> I am able to offer such insights, arguments, flames, and humor to enlighten,
> persuade, provoke, and amuse subscribers to r.s.f.p. What more could one ask
> of life?
> 
> As for the *other* Bruce Smith, I offer my thanks to him for helping me to get
> off to a decent start in a non-net football pool. I also wish him, and the
> other Bills well in their forthcoming journey to the City on a Hill. 
> 
> Could the Rams really be as bad as they looked last week? Perhaps we will
> see Sunday, when they face our young New England Patriots. Although the
> Patriots lack anyone of Smith's stature (especially with DE Garin Veris *still*
> holding out), they may prove a match for the favored Rams.
> 
> 
> Bruce Smith

I guess I should cherish this moment....the Rams are favored to beat
somebody....this will probably be the only time this year (at least from
the way things seem to be going in LA LA land).  The sad thing is, I
can't see how the Rams intend to win ANY games this year.  With the way
that the Rams run defense looks, Leonard Russell should get his four
touchdown day this Sunday. :^(


				- Tim
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Merrino Breaks Hearts in Claveland.
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:21:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20341
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Dan Merrino brought back painful memmories of the "ELWAY-DRIVE" in
the AFC-Championship game of the Browns with the Denver as
he squashed the great come back of those lovable Brownies.

Boy, that dropped touch-down pass in the end-Zone thrown by 
Kosar proved to be the difference plus some stupid penalties
given up by the Browns in the Merrino-Drive, else, the game
COULD have gone to OT.

Boy.... I HATE MERRINO!!!!!!!!     

S.H
Go Vikes
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.133006.18278@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> Herschel's 114 yards in his Philly debut is his best performance since his
> Vikings debut.

Was it also the first time since then that he was used effectively and
given the ball 20+ times?

> Terry Allen, Herschel's replacement in MN, was 12 carries for 140 yards.

Was that his Viking's debut by any chance:-)?

> Part of my earlier criticism of Walker was his lack of consistency.  Take
> his 26 carries for 114 yards (4.38 ave).  Subtrack his 33 yard run and it's
> 25 for 81 (3.24 ave).  Terry Allen was 12 for 140 (11.6 ave).  Take out
> his two longest runs (of 45 and 51 yards) and he was still 10 for 44 
> (4.4 ave). (Not to mention Allen's better receiving stats.)

This is all fine and dandy, but you are forgetting one BIG thing.
Herschel gained 114-yards against the New Orleans Saints.  Allen did
his thing against Green Bay.  Herschel did exactly what the Eagles
expected of him on Sunday.  Allen may have had better receiving stats,
but Walker isn't the primary receiver in the Eagles passing scheme.
Even with that he hauled one in for six.

> Keep track for yourself.  You'll see that given ~25 carries, Walker will
> evantually break a couple long runs.  The other 20+ will be well below
> what an average back would gain.  The problem is that those 20+ carries
> will result in lots of 3 & 8's.  Walker is not consistent enough to sustain
> long drives or come up with the needed yardage on any given carry.  You'll
> see, the Eagles will tire of their sputtering offense (as they wait for
> Walker to break one) and Walker will end up on the sidelines complaining
> that he is not getting the ball enough.

Well, all I know is that Walker was consistent enough to sustain a very
long drive against the NFL's #2 ranked defense.  He broke a long gainer
and also picked up good yardage on first down which kept the defense off
balance.  It was only one game, as you keep reminding us, but it was a
game against a very strong defensive team.

> As a side note, when the season schedule came out, Denny Green noticed 
> that the first game was against GB, coached by Denny's friend (?) Holmgren.
> Denny called Holmgren to comment on the game and then offered to trade
> Walker to him.  Holmgren's response was (paraphrasing) "come on, I remember
> how we used to laught at him" (as they watched Walker play).  Denny's
> response was "Well, I had to try."

Herschel may have drawn alot of laughs in a Minnesota uniform, but
there was nobody laughing at him in Philadelphia this past Sunday.
And I doubt Coach Green will be doing any laughing when Herschel
visits him later this year.

E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:45:58 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Sep9.221811.20695@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.204503.19571@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>I guess you and I are at opposite ends on this topic.  I guess it depends
>>on how you were raised and what you learned in your formative years as a young
>>kid.  To me, taunting is natural.  It intimadates some people so much that
>>their play diminishes. It is also a form of one upmanship in verbal street
>>talk.  It is not for everyone.  NOTE:  have you seen the Spike Lee T.V.
>>commerical of  two teams (young black men and white men) playing basketball?
>>It is a lesson on getting along a people, but the ad starts off with some
>>major name calling.  If you saw the movie "White Men Can't Jump", then
>>you will know exactly what I am talking about.  I just believe in "trash
>>talking" if you can back it up (Remember Ali?).  I can guarantee you, if
>>I was playing against you and I picked up and the fact that you didn't
>>like being taunted, then I would be at you non-stop.  If it resulted in
>>a fight, then I would back it up, irregardless of the outcome.
>
>That's probably why they made it a 15 yard penalty:  to cut down on 
>things that incite fights.  I don't have any problem with you telling me
>how great you are; it's just fine since I will ignore it.  What I do object
>to is someone who cannot sing their own accolades without putting everyone 
>else down.  Socialization, maybe.  If you make a good play, that's fine,
>but you're just plain stupid if you think the defender will not make just
>as fine a play later.
>
It has nothing to do with the other person being stupid as you aptly
put it.  Presumably, you are not referring to me as stupid, but were
simply making a generalization.  It is strictly academic whether
another player makes a fine play or not.  It is simply competition.
>
>I think it says a lot about a person if they can't cheer/promote themselves
>or their team without knocking others abilities or others' teams.  Think 
>about it this way:  if you beat a defender and tell him he sucks, that kind 
>of takes away from your most recent accomplishment, doesn't it?
>
Again, the "rules" of ethics or sportsmanship are not considered
here.  I will be the first to acknowledge an opponent's good hit,
play or whatever.  It still does not prevent me from harassing the
other player.   As pointed by me earler, you and I are at opposite 
ends on this issue.  I am not inferring you are stupid, inferior,
a wimp or anything for that matter, aside from the fact that we
differ on taunting.

The whole issue is whether the NFL should have voted this rule in.
Are you saying you agree with rule?  I don't agree with it.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Summerall/Lundquist/Madden (was: Re: NFL Announcers)
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:19:32 GMT

In article <jjonsson.146@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
|> I wonder how many of you noticed that the 49er/Giant game was done by Vern 
|> Lundquist and John Madden, not Pat Summerall. Does anyone have the scoop on 
|> Summerall, is he back in Alcohol treatment again?
|> 
|> 
|> Jeff Jonsson

Nope. He has obligations to finish up with Tennis and Golf
broadcasts this time of year. He was broadcasting a golf
tourney this past weekend. 

Wouldn't you just once like to head John Madden do a Golf tourney??????




-- 
Cary W Reams
NT/BNR/MTXVO
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR.
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:30:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

Michael Zimmers writes ...


>1. If we had anything resembling a placekicker, we win.
    ^^                                           ^^ ^^^
>2. If we have Rice all game, we probably win (as good as the other
    ^^                        ^^          ^^^
>   WRs are, Rice is still better).       

>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

If I had a million dollars, I'd be a millionaire !!!!!
 
--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: eha@postman.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos vs. Raiders
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:34:22 GMT
Organization: Nordland College

In article <100240287@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:


>Thanks Jay!  The Broncs couldn't have done it without ya!

>BTW, who did we trade to get you?  I must have missed it.

We traded OT Jim Lachey to the Redskins, who has been a Pro Bowler several 
times recent years.
Let's get rid off the Scud and start develop Todd.

Ernst.

GO RAIDERS!
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Organization: University of Michigan
	<183463@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:45:26 GMT

In article <183463@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:

   In article <1992Sep9.214248.13451@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
   >>
   >>        "Using those two timeouts when they didn't need to
   >>         was a strategical mistake."
   >>
   >
   >What's wrong with the word _strategical_ here?  I'm pretty sure it is a word
   >and it's definitely used in the corrct context (assuming it's a word, of
   >course.)

   The correct word is strategic.  Adding 'al' to this and other words (like
   comic) is unnecessary.

While it is unnecessary, my NeXT version of Websters Ninth New Collegiate
Dictionary lists both words as legal adjectives derived from strategic,
though it seems to suggest that strategic is preferred (it certainly sounds
better).

More to the point, time outs are a tactical (tacticalal?), and not strategic,
concern.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: kettler@ahab.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle the worst team in the NFL?
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep7.163944.29574@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)   writes...
>In article <1992Sep7.013241.29072@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>I read this in a Dayton, OH paper this morning.  "Is Seattle the worst
>>team in the NFL, or what?"
> 
>From what I saw yesterday, it looks like the LA Lambs might give seattle
>some serious competition for this.......
> 
Don't forget the San Diego team. After all, the Charger's battery has been dead 
for a number of years. They also won't find a good set of jumper cables this 
year with Gagliano (good name GAGliano) and Humphries at QB. d::-)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Late Game Updates ...
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <1992Sep13.225656.32005@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>Sunday, 13 September - LATE GAMES
> 
>        Buffalo         27                      New England      0
>    4   San Francisco   31                  4   LA Rams          7
> 

Talk about a waste of bandwidth.  I can't believe you guys are
running to your computers during the game so you can post partial
results to the 10 or so people throughout the country sitting
there reading rec.sport.football.pro on a Sunday afternoon.  Later,
thousands of people return to the net only to wade through what is by 
now old news.

Maybe your heart is in the right place, but your brain isn't.  At least
use a key word like FLOTSAM in the subject line so we can skip
this trash.

				me
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From: tap1040@summa.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.030856.19529@icf.hrb.com>, mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes...
->In article <1992Aug30.191326.10906@uwm.edu>, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
->> In article <10415@disc.dla.mil> i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green) writes:
->>>
deletions.....
->> 	then he could be 100-100. He just doesnt look like he runs
->> 	hard anymore, very cautiously, and I just dont see him having
->> 	a good year with anyone anymore.
->> 
->> 							Mark Gresbach
->> 							GO VIKINGS
-> 
->Herschel runs for 100+ against a very good New Orleans defense. The H-Train
->will rush for 1000 yards this season barring injury of course.-- 

He very well MIGHT do just that.  Then next season he'll gain about half that.
He's following his previous pattern with new teams to a T.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Updates appreciated.  Post all scores.
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:23:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com


Don't remember the Dolphins/Browns score, but the Dolphins won.

        Week 2:
Sep 13, 1992

Falcons at Redskins     Redskins 24-17
Bears at Saints         Saints 28-6
Cowboys at Giants       Cowboys 34-28
Packers at Buccaneers   Buccaneers 31-3  
Vikings at Lions        Lions 31-17
Raiders at Bengals      Bengals 24-21 OT
Seahawks at Chiefs      Chiefs 26-7

Bills at 49ers          Bills 34-31
Oilers at Colts         Oilers 20-10
Patriots at Rams        Rams 14-0
Jets at Steelers        Steelers 27-10
Chargers at Broncos     Broncos 21-13

Eagles at Cardinals     Eagles 31-14

Sep 14, 1992

Dolphins at Browns
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Axe Corpsegrinder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Derek Brown?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Last year Howard Cross was supposed to be the man on the scene, then 
disappears...this year, Derek Brown is the key, yet Howard Cross comes back out
of nowhere...

What's the deal?

					---Ray Handley
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.010224.5431@ncsu.edu> bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER) writes:
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>To Start a little controversy, I've decided to list my Top 5 at each
>skill position. You should note that I grew up in south Florida and lived
>in Houston for 5 years. 
>
>Running Back:
>    (1) Thomas - There is NO better all around back in the game.
>    (2) Sanders - There is NO better pure running back in the game.
>    (3) Emmit - Anyone with 4 consecutive 100 yard games against the skins
>                has to be included 
>    (4) N. Anderson - If things are settled with Ditka, Neal will return
>                     to the top 3.
>    (5) T. Allen - A reach ... but 140 yards on 12 or 13 carries, not bad
   I'd switch 1 and 2 around.
      
>W.R.:
>    (1) Rice - Nuff said
>    (2) M. Irvin - He's good enough to make Aikman seem like a quality QB
>    (3) E. Givens - A true burner ... Will shine big time this year
>    (4) M. Haynes - Sorry Andre, but your only the second best on the 
>                    Atlanta roster
>    (5) G. Clark - Like Irvin, he's good enough to make Rypien look great
   Put Sterling Sharpe in for Haynes or Givins. Sharpe is going to have a
   monster year and return to the Pro-Bowl.

>Q.B.:
>    (1) Marino - Simply amazing with the offensive lines he had to deal with.
>                 Destined for the Hall of Fame
>    (2) Kelly - Another Miami boy ... 
>    (3) Moon - Think of what career numbers would be like if he had played
>               his whole career in the NFL
>    (4) Miller - With his recieving corp, he'll put up numbers few can match
>    (5) Nagle - The only young quarterback with star potential
   I wouldn't forget about Randall just yet.

>Well, there you have it.  I anxiously await comments and criticisms.
>
   Overall, pretty good selections.

   --salty
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Happy Handicapper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Barry Sanders in the race
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92255.1058423ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes...

>While it may futile to say who is the NFL's best running back, some facts
>may help to put this debate in perspective.  First three years of career:
>Payton      3921
>Dorsett     3439
>Dickerson   5147
>Sanders     4322

One more fact--Thurman Thomas is the only player other than the great Jim Brown
to lead the NFL in total yards from scrimmage for three consecutive years--and
he is well on his way to making it a historical fourth.

Anyone who limits the contributions of the running backs to "rushing yards" in a
comparison is ignoring the facts.

>I don't have stats on Sayers or Brown.  I think it is safe to say, however,
>that Barry is certainly in their class.  It may prove to be true that so are
>Thomas and Smith.  Bob

Maybe this year Marv will actually allow Thurman to rush for the title he would
have had last year.

Also, consider that Thurman had 54 fewer rushes than the so-called "best back"
Barry Sanders, and that Emmitt Smith had 23 more rushes than *Barry* did.

Thurman Thomas also averaged 4.9 yards per carry--almost 5 yards a pop!  Barry
and Emmitt were below 4.5...and, as a final note, Bills' RB Kenneth Davis gained
some 600+ yards last year...the Lions and the Cowboys are *sure* to give it to
one man each--one man who can't gain as many yards as Thurman Thomas *on the
ground with each carry*, much less on any given play, much less on total yards
for the game.

Barry Sanders also plays in the "Silver Stretch," which does for him what the
Oilers' run-n-shoot does for Lorenzo White.

Not to take anything away from Sanders or Smith, but their is only one Thurman
Thomas--if anyone has any doubts, watch a tape of this past Sunday's games...

					---Chet Zeshonski

BILLS 34
Niners 31
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Report
Keywords: Eagles 31 Cards 17
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:31:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep15.134327.16113@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> Hey Joe, I think the WIP Izel haters club is getting to you. I'll let
> you in on a little secret, every CB in the NFL gets burnt. How many
> times did Izel get burnt Sunday? Not many...:-):-):-)

Hey, good one, Pete.  I guess if you have an All-Pro corner on one
side the QB is going to throw more in the direction of the other corner
and the law of averages says he's going to get beat once in a while.
But Izel is making fundamental mistakes!  You have to know when to go
for the ball and when to lay the hit on the receiver.  And there is no
way in hell you allow a receiver to get in back of you in a deep zone.
Izel has the size and the speed, which is what has kept him on the team
for the past 5-years, but he just isn't performing as expected.  I still
say the release of Jesse Campbell was a mistake.

> Let's remember that Izel's help consisted of John Booty, normally a
> CB converted to safety because Hopkins and Miano were both hurt. When
> you consider that the whole DB corps was lacking, I think Izel is getting
> an undeserved bad rap on WIP (local all-sports radio station for those
> not in the Philly area).

I made note of that in my original article.

> Izel is no Ben Smith, but he's not that bad either. Yes, you are
> getting spoiled. Give "toast" a break...

I'll say he's no Ben Smith!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd
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From: dpm@liberty.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Mikesell)
Subject: Good win for Steelers
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:54 GMT

	I only got to see a few highlights and the boxscore, but I have a
few impressions of the Steelers' shocking upset of Houston:

	- Good offensive output (381 yds, 29 pts) vs a very good "D"

	- showed ability to come back (down 14 - 0)

	- Good game for O'Donnell  (adios, Bubby)

	- Good game for Foster - it was good to see him get a lot of
  	  carries for a change.

	- Looks like they have some depth on defense, at least in the
	  secondary

	- How bad is Green hurt?  Is Ernie Mills still on the team?  I see
	  that he had no catches.  Looks like Graham might flourish now that
	  he is out from under Noll's shadow.

	- The pass rush had better improve.  Let's start blitzing Lloyd and
	  Jerrol "with a J" Williams.  BTW, did anyone get to listen to 
	  Myron do the radio broadcast?  I'll bet he was fired up!  You betcha!

	This win will mean little if they can't beat the Jets Sunday.  It 
would be nice to see a fired up crowd at Three Rivers, but I won't get my hopes
up.  I went to opening day '91 against S.D. and it was like being at an opera.
They've really gotten soft.  We need a rebirth of the Terrible Towel - what's
Myron's number???

dpm
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