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From: bshsiung@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Bernard Hsiung)
Subject: Re: Quantum (and untutored Zen) and Beliefs (was Re: Absolutes)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:54:11 GMT

Liralen (aka Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
> ... I'm talking more about situations like Schrodinger's Cat which is, in
>essense, both there and not there at the same time, yes?  The example you give
>is something which can be determined.  The questions I'm asking are things
>which *cannot* be determined with any accuracy in any reportable manner.
>
>So like the cat, which may be there or not there at the same time, so with
>beliefs which are unobservable and undocumentable.  Both true and false at
>the same time.

If everybody is bored to tears by this discussion, I offer my apologies in
advance.  This is my first posting to alt.callahans and I ought to try to
avoid offending people, after all...

I just wanted to make a small observation about Schrodinger's Cat:
We may not know if the cat is alive or dead.
But, certainly, the _cat_ must have observed something!

--
Jedi Squire-in-Training
(aka Bernard Hsiung, bshsiung@eecs.umich.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: Hats
Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:24:05 GMT

I have a nice black fedora that I found in Long's, of all places.
Looks real sharp with the leather jacket that Firecat forced me to get.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Virtual anniversary: 8 days and counting
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Definition of "monogamy"?
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:13:59 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

Alfvaen writes:
>Clive Grace (cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:
>[Bulk of Tanais' message deleted, for bandwidth reasons]
>:     "One thing's for sure. I'm here now. It's taken three years to join you.
>: but I'm here. And... and I have a life."
>:     At this, Tanais finishes his jug of Tequila (don't worry, the adult
>: vulpiform metabolism can handle at least three of these suckers before
>: even 'feeling' drunk). He lifts it in the direction of Mary and 
>: Ignatz and says "to love", he makes a wide arc around the bar "...and 
>: to friendships" and hurls the jug into the fireplace.
>
>"Wench, my glass!" Alfvaen says.  kitten brings him a Wildberry Cooler and
>Alfvaen downs it and says, "To love and to friendships!".  Then he hurls it
>into the fireplace on the heels of the tequila jug(I bet you didn't know that
>tequila jugs had heels).
>
>"Nice to meet you, Tanais.  All of the above is read and noted, and I applaud
>you for your courage.  Just keep being who you are, even if you don't know
>who that is yet.  You'll find out eventually, or at least as much as any of us
>ever do..."

     >>Crash!<< DJ, Linda, and Robbie.

-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                   Video. Cher: Love and Understanding.
          'Rush Limbaugh is the 'Chia Pet' of TV talk shows !'
From: ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Yeay!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:05:03 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida


  Amanda seems to be choking on her Coke and Creme.  Ekho gets up and 
pounds her on the back a little enthusiastically.  "All right, all right! 
I'm okay!"  Amanda pokes Ekho in the ribs with a grin.  "Well, 
namesister,  I was the same way in highschool, but now, tests are only a 
day when I get out my notes before the class starts, skim over them, and 
take the test.  I'm somewhat apathetic, which is not good, I suppose.  
I'm going to change that next term, as I wish to improve my grades; the 
apathy this term resulted in my not receiving good grades this time 
through.  I can't change my emotions, but I _will_ study more... :)  
Physics, huh?  I hope it is something you enjoy, I know how hard it is.  
Have a drink, Amanda."

  Ekho is sitting in a chair, fiddling with her micro-computer, muttering 
something that sounds vaguely like, "You canna change the laws o' 
physics..."  A wicked grin follows...

       Yours in Time and Space
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Unbe Awakens
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:06:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: degas.wag.caltech.edu

Michael mentions:
>believing one is _currently_ in error in one's beliefs would seem to be
>a contradiction (conversely, believing one _cannot_ be in error in
>one's beliefs would be arrogance bordering on insanity :-) ).

Abner digests this thought, then counters, "Well, given that I am an imperfect
person (which I think I've demonstrated adaquatly in at least *some* of my
posts =8)  ), I believe quite strongly that at least some of my beliefs can
be, must be, incorrect!  Of course, this belief might be incorrect, in which
case all of beliefs must be correct, including the one above, which leads
to a paradox!  Gee, I seem to have proven that I'm correct in believing that
some of my beliefs are incorrect ..."

"Flaws, Michael?"
From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Splash!)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Arrival of a Stranger
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:04:52 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au


Welcome Galan and Greywolf!  I'm Splash, one of the Australian contingent
in the Place ... can I get you a drink?


--
		Splash!		*To love is to LIVE!*
   (aka Mike van Keulen -- e-mail: keulen@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@atlantis.uucp
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Quantum/Zen/Beliefs)
Reply-To: aaron%atlantis@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:33:17 GMT

Alfvaen notices a familiar email address, and waves.  "Hi, Bernie!  Have I
missed your entrance to alt.callahans, or have you been lurking here all
along?

"Gee, and here I thought I was safe naming a character in Abner's story
Dariel, because you'd never see it.  Oh, well..."

-- 
---Alfvaen(Still looking for "October's Baby")
"Give me your mirth.  It bores me when you weep.                                 My loves you cannot touch.  They're buried deep."  ---Don Marquis
Current Album--Tracy Chapman:Crossroads
Current Read--Tesseracts4
From: mcspikgfm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: The solstice ritual
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:55:09 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



	Well in spirit I am , was, and always will be with all at the solstice.

	Have my strength for I need it not...have all that is me for through
all your love and understanding you have helped me more than I can say.

	I offer, have offered and will offer all that is me.
	I hope it is enough.

							Melandra.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: A toast
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:44:03 GMT

[ sorry, but deletions for bandwidth...]

>Jammer walks to the bar, and puts a coin from a foreign land on the bar.
> He orders  the strongest cup of espresso available, and walks to the
>line.
>
>He then turns to the bartender, hands him $1, and asks for another
>mocha. When he is served, he takes 100 one dollar bills out of his
>pocket, sets the mocha on them, and directs the bartender to keep the 
>mocha hot untill after January 2nd. 
>
>In case scott finds his way home.
>
>Jammer wraps his hand in a napkin, and walks out into the snow.

     Welcome Jammer to The Place ! I'm a veteran myself, 6 years in the
  US Navy. DJ puts a dollar in the cigar box and says. 

    "Mike, I'll have a ... Yes, thank you !" DJ.

   DJ takes his rum and Barq's over to the chalkline, chugs it,

     "To lost buddies !"

     <<Crash !>>

      Many of my high school buddies are gone, they died in VietNam.
    Yes Jammer, several of us here do understand. I wont pry, but you
    were probably up by Inchon or the Yalu River. I'm something of
    an amateur historian, although WW 2 is where most of my knowledge
    about recent wars resides...

     Later, Jim.

-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                   Video. Cher: Love and Understanding.
          'Rush Limbaugh is the 'Chia Pet' of TV talk shows !'
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: wonderful life
Date: 26 Dec 1992 19:54:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <BzunHH.Gpt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
[...]
>
>anyway, this movie, as you all know, poses the question: what would
>the world be like if i had never been born?  i sort of experienced
[...]
>
>...my ideas and opinions on this change, depending on my mood.
>however, 8 times out of 10 i come to the conclusion that i have an
>important place in the world...that it is a better place because i am
>here.  (the other 2 times i think either that a) nobody would miss me
>or b) that at least iwouldn't hurt anyone....but that goes away
>quickly) 
>
>what does everyone else think?  do you all ever wonder what the world
>would be like without you?"  kitten sits back to wait for answers.

C+ rams in again. ( I promise to be gone by tomorrow, folks... ) =)
"Well, Kitten, firstly, I think I speak for everyone here when I say
we really are grateful for your presense in the transdimensional 
tavern. if you weren't here, everyone would say 'Hmm.. you know, something's
not right. Someone's missing from this place who can fill it with joy,
laughter and fun.' Then everyone would leave.. =)

"Anywayz, I think we do have a purpose here, to do good and maybe change
it in however small way the life of the people who are around us. "Random
acts of kindness, senseless deeds of wonder" ( paraphrased.. ) are all
good enough. Miniscule the deed may be, but if it does help someone get
by another day, it is sufficient reason for my existence.

"At heart, I'm a cynic, but i never let that cynicism overwhelm me. I
often question the things that I do, but never let that get in the
way of me actually doing it. That's my whole philosophy. The world
will be pretty much the same place whether I was here or not, as I
know I'm not destined for greatness, but I know some people are
grateful for me being around, and so that's good enuf, hmm?" =)

>
>--
>***************************************************************************
>conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
>"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
>                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
>"love is the wild card of existance"
>                          rita mae brown
>

Chua
+==+
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: To new beginnings
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:40:00 +0000


TITLE: To new beginnings
John sez
>         "Sometimes endings are really beginnings.
"Yeah! Sometimes the ending is the perfect place to start all over... 
Congratulations"

<<<<Crashhhh!!>>>
Mary MerryTail


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| Ommmmmm, said the lift                    |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
| Organisation: Me? You're joking, right?   |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
|I know I type "teh" for "the" My fingers have their own accent ;-)    |
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Definition of "monogamy"?
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:22:59 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

>  Grinning, Amanda continues, "Oh, and I just have to ask, Aahz... Do you 
>know anyone by the name of Skeeve?"  She prepares a quick defense in case 
>of an emergency situation...
>
>           Yours in Time and Space

    "Well, Skeeve was around here awhile back. Haven't seen him recently.
  He must be uhm somewhen most likely..." Linda.

-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                   Video. Cher: Love and Understanding.
          'Rush Limbaugh is the 'Chia Pet' of TV talk shows !'
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mwasson@nyx.cs.du.edu (mike wasson)
Subject: Re: Merlinvin finishes delurking
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:46:40 GMT

Merlinvin is saying (generously)
>Gecko-boy puns:
>[deleted...]
>
>Hmmm... maybe I can swing a bit of choco-lei-t for da Geck...

The reptile winces. "Ouch, Merlinvin, that was a hula-va bad joke there..."

--
Mike Wasson (Gecko-boy)           |         U Hawai'i/Fat Messiah Games
mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu    |         #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Some things should never change; and it makes me wonder... (Yo La Tengo)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: harpy gnu ears
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:39:00 +0000


TITLE: Re: harpy gnu ears

> a slightly odd musical group (guitar, bass, drums, and chapman stick) and 
> starts tuning up. The Constrictor turns then, and says, "Well, I'm back! I had
> to depart suddenly to be with some other family who I'm not related to either. 
> I also spent the evening dancing away, and would like to continue that 
> tradition here. So, I want to introduce the band : Emmett on stick, Flansburgh 
> on guitar, Jaco on bass, and Keith York on drums. They do take requests, but I
> am going to take first dibs. Maestro, 'Peace, Love, and Understanding' if you 
> will?" 

Tanais sits at the edge of the tub, politely waiting for Mary and 
MonTemplar to finish their waterfight.In the mean time he looks at 
Emmet's Chapman Stick and sees the serial number #001... he smiles... 
"Hey Emmet, you made my stick a few years back! Mine is #167, you 
made it out of polished Oak and it sounds beautiful. Much nicer than 
those Polycarbonate models you moved onto halfway through."

Tanais remembers the first time he saw a Stick -- played on a stall 
at the Frankfurt Music Messe back in 1985. It was love at first 
sight. and Six months later he has saved enough to get his own Stick 
-- hand made and shipped over to England -- but it will never be 
enough to sway him from his one great love -- the fiddle. One day 
Tanais will treat you all to the swirling wildness of Reynard's 
Reel.
--
+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| When I grow up, I want to give up being   |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |                          |
+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
|       Bisexual knitter of quality and distinction since 1992.        |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: a small sentiment
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:41:23 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu's message of 21 Dec 92 13:52:26 GMT

In article <BzM3vF.Bz2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

>nick says:
>
>>I was brought up to celebrate Christmas. I love Christmas. I hate the
>>snow and all those cold images. But I love the music and the lights and
>>the music and the love and the music and the sharing and the music, and,
>>well, the music.
>
>[   ] deleted for bandwidth only ...
>
>>And what other species on our world has philosophy, science, art, music,
>>laughter, love?
>
>>My dear friends. This has been a tough year for many of us. We have
>>found love and joy, and fear and pain and loss. And laughter. We are a
>>tiny group, certainly only a mote in the vast tapestry of human life.

"so mote it be..." :-)

>>But I love you ALL. Some of you more than others. Please do not ever
>>forget, in this joyous season, or the year round. YOU ARE LOVED.
>>So
>
>>                       Blessed be, unto thee.
>>      Kindle the lights that others can realize the love we share.
>>      Forever and ever,
>>                             GLORY
>>                             HALLELUJAH!
>
>kitten, tears flowing, takes nick's hand in one of hers and didi's in
>the other and calls out for a joining of hands and hearts...
>
>i am with nick...i no longer believe in "god" the almighty heavenly
>father ... but i believe in us...and in love...and that we all have
>our own special place as a thread in the tapestry of Life.
>
>today is solstice...let us join together and call the energy of the
>universe to heal...
>
>..to heal didi with the golden gryphon's magic spell...to heal all of
>us and make us ready for a new year.
>
>i love you all.
>
>blessed be."

Castellan joins hands with Kitten. "It has indeed been a year of changes for 
many of us... although I suppose the same can be said of most years. We have
been through happy, fulfilling times, and bitter, lonely times, seen our hopes
fulfilled and dashed, lost friends, gained friends, changed jobs, changed
locations, seen beauty and joy mixed with pain and ugliness, and generally
been to all ends of the spectrum and back.  Through it all, may we continue
to persevere and to let our humanity shine through.

"May the long time sun shine upon you,
All love surround you, 
And the clear light within you
Guide your way home..."

sending thoughts of peace and love to all,
--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Solstice healings
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:19:45 GMT

In article <memo.823748@cix.compulink.co.uk> maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Now I walk slowly through the Place, into the meadow, to bring the 
>candle to Didi and my dear friends here. I reach inside myself, and 
>pass the flame on.

Liralen is shivering in the bitter cold of the meadow.  She got up while it
was still dark, left for work before the light came up, and is still at
work in the dark.  She is wondering why she'd standing in a meadow with the
air biting at her lungs...

Until Didi comes out with her bouquet of herbs...

Rue.  The bitter scent of it awakens Liralen and she realizes that it isn't
*that* cold out, especially with her coat and sweater and jeans and layered
socks.  The fingerless gloves on her hands itch just a little, reminding
her of their construction.  She smooths her fingers over the drum head
between her legs and sighs softly as she peels the gloves off.

Then MarywithaTail comes out of Callahan's with her candle, and her effort
and love shining through the light.  For a moment, Liralen's heart is
dazzled with the possibilities, and her eyes mesmerized by the ever-
changing, ever-consuming, and ever-perfect flame.  Gently, she reaches
out, and the flame catches on a twig.  She uses the twig to light a
lantern that hangs over Mary Mark and the other drummers and she; and then
holds the lantern for the next person to light their light by...

And then she readies herself for the ritual, only knowing that she'll 
follow Merrigold's lead and play.
-- 
Phyllis Rostykus    | "... and how you feel can make it real  | - _US_
aka Liralen Li      | Real as anything you've seen            |   Peter
li@Data-IO.com      | Get a life with this dreamer's dream."  |   Gabriel
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Noel s'en vient!!
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:12:08 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

Sitting at his usual table, Rider his typing furiously on his 'Deck.

After a few moment a shimmering form start to materialize over his table
and slowly takes the form of a Christmas tree, fully decorated with some
lights flashing and some sore of comet like luminosity going around it
randomly.

HE then removes his mirror shades and goes over to Mikem wich with a
smiles gives him an Eggnog. He then heads for the toe line...

"Well folks, for me theirs only a day and a half left for Christmas, and
knowing some folks might be 'net deprived' shortly (and for those that
are already) I just want to wish you all a VEry Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year with all you desire and wishes for health and Happiness
for the next year!!
It is a shame that I am not to good with words, but for those empath
around I'm sure you are feeling all those vipes I am sending to all.

Take care all!!
And please remember not to drink and drive!!"

Rider procides to drain (slowly as to savor) And deftly sends his glass
in the fireplace...

See You around the 'Net!!

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 |                    rider@geloser.login.qc.ca                       |
 |          Matrix Rider                     Serge Ayotte             |
 |      Gentleman Loser System (private), Montreal/Quebec/Canada      |
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman)
Subject: Re: Danger Room
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:03:22 GMT

noj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan E Miles) writes:

> ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:
> >  Amanda grins and says, "Since Ekho and I are going to be on opposite 
> >teams, does that mean you're on my side, Itosu?  I think that Ekho 
> >wouldn't mind..."
> 
> "I would be honored, Ekho will be an...interesting opponent."
> 
> Itogu grins a gap-toothed grin.
> 
> "I might as well, besides, your size will help, being much different from min
> We will make a good team."

  Ekho ponders the situation, "Care to make it two against two?  If no 
one else volunteers, perhaps my brother would care to join in.  The two 
of us against you and Amanda..."  A small grin appears on Ekho's face.

  Amanda looks slightly worried, then shakes it off and announces, "We 
shall persevere!  Such diversity as we have will bring us victory.  
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations!" she laughs.

             Yours in Time and Space
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: The world, and what it'd be like...
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 10:08:09 GMT

In article <122420167@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
  daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>
>Callahans is a usenet news group.  Nothing more.

Let me see now, was that CIAGDH or CIAWOL?  I tend to view it more as the
former, but I recognize that others may see it as more than that.

(For the acronym impared, the reference is to the perennial debate of
Fandom Is A God Damned Hobby  vs.  Fandom Is A Way Of Life  that so often
splits the fannish community.  It's been debated time and again, as has
this issue been hashed over many times here.  Personally, I think that both
sides are right, and leave it at that.)

-- 
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