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From:         IAN YORK <YORK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Gibson/Sterling/Irving

        I'm enjoying this exchange of books on the go, especially when people
give capsule reviews with them.  Unfortunately, most of my reading for the
past (and next) month is on the order of "Multiple cis- and trans-acting
regulatory promoter sequences for the neu proto-oncogene" [a real page-turner]
but I do have a few books stalled and a few slowly moving, and when I get
time I'll note them down.  Meanwhile, I can comment on a couple on Valentine's
list.

>1) The Difference Engine - Sterling and Gibson (1991). I got this on
>the recommendation of a friend, I find it VERY slow going.
        I read this a couple months ago and I agree with you.  Gibson is
an excellent writer; _Neuromancer_ is the best SF I've read in 15 years,
which covers a lot of SF.  However, I've found Sterling to be really
annoying.  He seems to want to imitate Gibson (the so-called "cyberpunk"
genre) but he doesn't seem to realize that it's more than some nifty gadgets.
He writes traditional SF, in other words, with a veneer of cyberpunk-type
technology.  (Actually, this is the case for all the cyberpunk movement.
There's Gibson and then there's all his imitators.)  Anyway, The Difference
Engine had some wonderful moments, in which there really was that clear
realization of a truly different society: what would Victorian England have
been like, if there had been computers there?  But then it's all thrown
away in an incoherent, action-type plot which doesn't make any use of the
potentially wonderful background.  I would bet that Gibson set up the back-
ground, and Sterling wrote the plot around it.  Do read Gibson's work, if
you haven't already.

>3) A Prayer for Owen Meany - John Irving (1989). So far, I have not
>liked this windy novel. Friends rave about this book, I've read 100
>pages and am finding it boring.
        Again I agree.  It wasn't so much that it was boring, but I found
the symbolism really heavy-handed, and the characters - even Owen Meany -
unconvincing.  Again, it had its moments; I read it three years ago or
thereabouts - whenever it came out in paperback - and parts have stuck.
My friends were also raving about it, and I was not as impressed as they
were.

>5) Heavy Time - C. J. Cherryh (1991). A fast read, I'm 2/3 done with
>this basic SF adventure tale. I know C.J. in a casual kind of way
        I've read a couple of Cherryh's and haven't got interested.  I'll
        have to try Cyteen.

        Ian
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UP> when we celebrate "a woman at the helm" as opposed to WHO
UP> SHE IS and WHAT SHE HAS TO OFFER.....

A formula that feeds on its own entrails.  `Who she is', by a
fairly common association, is a `woman at the helm', and the
reaction to that is my interest.  Begs the question:  how
much anxiety is attributable to that phrase `woman at the
helm.'

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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Kundera
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	Kundera has probably read Kierkegaard. But even if he hasn't, these
oppositions, which I think are roughly the same, were analyzed with astonishing
insight and maniacal detail in Forms of Despair (this would be in Fear and
Trembling..., I believe). There, the two poles are necessity and possibility.
Each is a form of despair if it is not leavened with the other. Necessity
is weight and obligation and duty and responsibility and lack of possibility.
Possibility is having everything open, no choice made which would exclude
other choices, the exhilaration which comes from having all this possility,
but an attenuation of being itself, which is the form of despair, though
Kierkegaard says that this being may not even realize that s/he is in des-
pair. Neither one nor the other can be said to be the good.
	The Christian (Catholic) Marxist Simone Weil had the terms Gravity
and Grace (the title of a book), which I think were loosely equivalent. She
was a remarkable person. One of the contributing causes of her death was
that she refused to eat more than a particular ration (calculated on what
I can't recall) in solidarity with those who were suffering. She is extremely
persuasive in destroying the stability of the usual concept of the self, and
not in theoretical terms. She is so persuasive that at one point I had to
put the book down, as a process of disintegration in my personality had
actually begun, based on insights which I believed (and still do). Today
I am more likely to shed my illusions carefully, gradually. Now everyone
will avoid her for sure.
	Kierkegaard was my reason for writing; I may have pointed out this
parallel some time ago, but it seemed a good time to recall it to mind again.
Michael McColl
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From:         the First and Only Nude Vaxer <FSCLL@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Yorker

hahaha.. I can already see I am on the smaller side of this
battle... I too admire (sometimes) the non-fiction articles
that take a mundane event or action and make it interesting...
but for some reason I don't think this is going to change.

I also don't think Tina Brown is going to destroy the
New Yorker or even make that many radical changes. What she
may do is bring some new life, try out some new authors, perhaps
address some different audiences (not necessarily just a larger one)
, and maybe even turn out to be a good editor. Tina Did for ger one)
vanity fair exactly what was needed, she might just do the same
(by this I mean do what is needed, not what Vanity fair needed)
for the New Yorker. She may just be a good editor, with more ability
than many are even willing to admit the possibility of....

chris
poet and pauper and I've never submitted to New Yorker so these aren't
 views of the bitter rejected me-- I save those for other topics  :)
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From:         Tim Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: The Rooshians
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UP> Note my little beanie hat: I am a new Subber.  Anybody out
UP> there interested in the Russians, Chekhov, Dostoevsky,
UP> Tolstoy, and moreski...


Hey, Sonia, you just missed it!  We already demolished the
Rooshians.  Let me consult my notes:

  We took up Tolstoy and Dostoevski and Chekhov and decided
one of them, I forget which, was better than the other two
and all were better than Dickens, that one of them (my notes
again sketchy on identity) had used a character who wasn't a
true intellectual, and that it is perfectly proper for a body
to decompose during the progress of a warm day.


As you see, there's little left to discuss on the matter,
but feel free to start it off again.


Also, I have a curiosity which might span one medium-
length article and will definitely wilt before a full-
length book about `Deconstruction', which I think is
depicted in a cartoon of a writer and reader on a
see-saw with the text as fulcrum and the reader
ascendant.

Is that a working definition, or should I study more?

-Timmie

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Subject: Zen
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        re: Hofstdter:  I read his Godel, Escher, Bach . . . and loved it -
before that I knew little or nothing about Zen, and that got me interested.
Since then I have read a few books (including some of Alan Watts') on Zen.
For a different viewpoint, you might read two books by Jan-Willem van de
Wettering, . . . the titles of which I can't recall, I'm afraid.  J-WvdW
is a westerner who actually joined a traditional Zen monastary, stayed there
for a couple years (without "solving" his koan, by the way, until much
later); he spends a lot of time talking about some rather peripheral issues
(it hurts to sit in the half-lotus position for hours, no ,ater how long
he tried) and, somehow, makes it seem more interesting and "real" than
some of the more intellectual approaches to Zen (such as Watts.)
        I also read Metamagical Themas, by Hofstadter; nothing sticks out
in my memory from that, except an impression that he overindulged the
whimsical spect a bit in those essays.
        Ian
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Subject:      Re: True Confessions

Nerdnosher, you may balk at Faulkner, but you've got your Stein down pat!

More butter, anyone?

"The quality of mercy is not strained"

No, never.

Damn braces, Bless relaxes.

mbmnotmccoll
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Date: 26 Aug 92 13:03:00 GMT
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In article <199208252017.AA02903@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu> julie@MUDHONEY.MICRO.UMN.EDU (Julie Lindner) writes:
>IAN YORK sez:
>: What has Pat Cardigan written?  I don't recognize ger name, maybe I'll
>: know some titles.
>She's written two novels, Synners and Mindplayers and a collection of
>short fiction called Patterns.  Excellent stuff.....

It's actually Pat CADIGAN. Good writer. HIghly recommended.

Alayne McGregor
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Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 13:42:18 EDT
From: Ben Poels <POELSB@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: Changes at the New Yorker


SPY magazine had a rather lengthy hatchet job on Tina Brown
in either the June or July/August issue. That she would end
up at the New Yorker is indeed a shock.

bjp
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      erotica
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	I've been looking through my bookcases because I can't recall the title
of the anthology of French erotica I have, with material going back to the
middle ages. I was astonished at the rude bawdiness of the older stuff--I'm
not sure what preconception was operating. If the discussion goes on for
a while, and if it doesn't there's something wrong somewhere, I'll have time
to look it up. Henry and June by Anais Nin is a possibility if you don't have
an antipathy to Henry Miller. Hot titles nowadays are serial killers; I'll
be curious to see what people have found.
	Also wanted to mention that if someone has time, the three autobio-
graphical books of Elias Canetti are superb: The Tongue SEt Free, The Play
of the Eyes, and The Torch in My Ear. These contain a sort of liberality
and freedom of being that is rarely found in any kind of American literature,
which contains relatively few examples of convincing, expansive, intelligent
life. Due to the nature of the computer, I am unable to return to that
generalization and either qualify or delete it. But it's true that I had
never breathed that kind of air before. Michael B.
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Hirsch
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	This might make for a good discussion. The first big question is who
makes up the list of important cultural references. When I first looked at
Hirsch's (sp.?) book it seemed he meant to teach the references on the most
superficial level: i.e. Shakespeare, famous playwright. Now this does lessent
the discomfort in reading when things are entirely unknown, but that does not
provide us with a common culture. And what about jazzz, and American popular
music, and film, are they part of it? Doesn't there come some point when
just perhaps people aren't going to be able to assimilate cultural and in-
tellectual history from the Greeks to the present? Why is it important?
Keats, for example, had relatively little to acquaint himself with to be
prepared for his career as a poet. In these times, had he tried to acquaint
himself with the literary history which has so lengthened, he would been dead
before writing a poem. Some scattered thougts in case others have some interest
in picking up on this. ARe his ideas now being applied ?  Michael Brennan.
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Subject:      Re: What the Dickens

Wilde, not Shaw.
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> I'm having problems with Word Perfect for windows.  In some documents
> of mine, I will get the error:
>
> General protection fault in driver T800.DRV (my video card) at such
> and such a segment.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem or does anyone know how to fix it?
>
> The card is Trident T8900 with 1 meg of memory.
>
> Thanks
>
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> Kenward
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I have had this same problem. It occured every time at the same spot
in the document when I was deleting some text. Finally I used WP for
DOS to delete thsi line of text and after that I haven't had this
problem anymore.
I also use a Trident card (type unknown) with 512k ram.

Peter Peters
TSO-CIV
University of Twente
The Netherlands
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Subject:      Re: Video Probs in WPWIN

Ken,
I had problems importing gifs into pixfolio.  I repeatedly got a
similar message.  In addition, when I installed the new trident drivers
I downloaded from simtel, windows would freeze up at the opening flag.
Somebody told me to exclude the video area from QEMM's upper memory
management byadding the phrase x=b000-c7ff in the qemm line in
my config.sys file.  This might be worth a try.
-dennis turner
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:43:00 +0300
From:         TABITHA@HUJIVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: abbreviation/acronym substitution

wp4win supplies a glossary macro, which can be freely and easily
modified.  However, you can download another glossary program which
the author claims is superior(i've never used either) from
129.79.20.84, under the subdirectory pub/pc/win3/wpwin.  I remeber
its name is gloss??.zip  something or other after gloss.
-dennis turner
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From: HEMEL@RC.RUG.NL (Jan Hemel)
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Date: 3 Sep 92 09:35:09 GMT
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> >Has anyone experienced problems with WP4WIN not printing text correctly as
> >shown on the screen? Here are two examples. 1. A sentence reads "Thank you so
> >much for providing the ..." and WP4WIN prints the word for in the left margin
> >and there is a blank space in the first line where the word for should be.
> >2. The word "briefly" appears on the screen but the printer prints out
> >"brely."
>
> We have occassionally seen a similar problem with DOS WP, with a single
> letter ending up in the left margin.  Reprinting would not show the
> error.
We 've seen this problem too. In our case the trivial source was a
bad connecting printer cable.


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Subject:      Re: Typing Speed?

I disagree that wpwin can't keep up with a fast typist.  I'm a fast
typist and even in WYSIWYG mode, wpwin has no problem slapping the
letters into place as fast as my fingers can go.  wpwin *is* slow,
but let's not exaggerate.
-dennis turner
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From: schmert@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Carl Schmertmann)
Subject: how to print RTF files?
Organization: College of Social Sciences, Florida State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:53:41 GMT

I am trying to import and print an RTF (rich text format) file in WP4Win. I 
can import and view the file on-screen, but when I try to print the file to 
a LaserJet Series II printer I get a "System Error - Divide by Zero Error" 
message and the window closes. The same thing happens if I import the RTF 
file, save it as a WP5.1 file, and then try to print the WP5.1 version.

Does anyone have any suggestions? (If possible, reply by e-mail.) Thanks.

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From: netdraw@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (P. Musca - B. Allen)
Subject: abbreviation/acronym substitution
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:26:08 GMT

Firstly, I apologize if this question is a FAQ, but I'm concidering changing 
over to wp for windows and I have found no solution to this problem.

PROBLEM:

Automatic phrasing.

QUESTION:

Does wp for windows support abbreviation subsitution? If so, how is it
implemented? and Where can I get information about it.

MY PROBLEM:

Say I typed "HO", <call phrasing>, which would substitute "Head Office".

Please Note, my application uses a very large number of abbreviations and
the work I'm producing must not have any abbreviations; It is important I
move to a program that supports abbreviation/acronyms substitution.

Please email me.  Thank.

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Brad J. Allen                                   Curtin University of Technology
netdraw@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au                 Perth, Western Australia.

Project: Netdraw, X-Windows, Ethernet & Fibre Optic Network Drawing Package
Team:    Brad Allen & Peter Musca.

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From:         robertb@MATH.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Macintosh to DOS translator
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              92 10:47 am

Fran Holtsberry writes...
>
> I would be interested in an evaluation of the Mac-to-PC software if you are so
> inclined after you get it.
>

Central Point Software sells (or used to sell) a board that can read
Macintosh diskettes and translate it to DOS format.  Then one can purchase
any of the file translation softare packages (Software Bridge, for example)
and go from there.  It sits between the floppy controller and the floppy
drives.  Worked on my XT, but I don't know about anything else.  It's an
8-bit card.

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From:         "John D. Harrington" <stump@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      PC to MAC?

Seems to me that with the extent of conversation concerning
the exchange of documents between wp4w and the mac that this
should be addressed by the WP corporation, perhaps as an
enhancement request.  Perhaps Barb could again pass this
on to the powers that be.

No offense to the PC world, but I seem to see on our
campus a subtle shift from PC's to MAC's, they had the
right idea many years ago.  These questions will problably
continue to surface on the newsgroup many times in the
future.
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From:         Domingo Martinez <AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: fonts on buttons
              2 Sep 1992 17:34:23 GMT from <tabitha@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL>

Font changes and other attributes CAN be changed through button bars, BUT...
only through the use of macros.  Edit Button Bar will go only up to Fonts.
This is so because different printers have different fonts.

AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU
From: tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
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Subject: Doc-to_help
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:36:50 GMT
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Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Is there a hypertext utility for wp4w similar to Doc-to-Help for wfw 2.0
This would be extremely valuable.  You create manuals, HLP files and
hypertext documents simultaneously.  Are there macros or other utilities
sitting on WP compuserve forum that performs some of these functions?
Why doesn't WP upload some of them to CICA or simtel, if they exist.
-dennis turner
tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
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