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From: sej5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Susie Juroff)
Subject: Help!CharlesdeLint stuff.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:11:29 GMT

I've been reading deLint for 8 years now, and I keep hoping
that it will get easier to find his stuff. Recently I read The
Little Country, though, and in the front it listed all his
books - and apparently I've missed maybe half of them. Bummer.
I'm constantly combing bookstores, I know I can't be missing
any releases. . .
a)many of his books are out of print. If you have any books by
him that you'd be willing to part with, I'd gladly send you
cookies or brownies or books or money in trade.
b)All but one of the people I know who read deLint do so
because I introduced them to him. If you read and enjoy this
author, please write me so I know he's not a fig newton of my
imagination.
c)Has anyone caught his stuff in short story form in a
collection or mag? I`ve found him in Pulphouse, Borderland,
Mothering Mag, Dirty Linen, Year's Best Fantasy/horror.Can
anyone see me or raise me?
d)To top it all, he's a folk musician. Anyone hear or have
recorded Jump at the Sun or Wickentree?
PLease respond e-mail, and thanks in advance for supporting my
habit.				-Judy
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Keywords: Literary SF
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:13:01 GMT

In article <guay.724099614@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
>Hi; 
>
>Can anyone recommend any literary SF books/authors? IE: stuff that isn't     
>mainstream commercial SF.

In the literal sense, your best bet is R.A.Lafferty--he isn't published
by mainstream publishers any more--just small presses. He's also a very
good, peculiar writer.

Offhand, I think that the most major literary-but-published-by-mainstream- 
publishers writers are Gene Wolfe and Samuel Delaney.

There was a fantasy published not too long ago called _Moonwise_ by Greer
Ilene Gilman--it's written in a very ambitious and allusive style--I can't
give it a complete recommendation, since I haven't been able to finish it
yet, but what I have read is satisfying enough that I keep trying.

Nancy Lebovitz
calligraphic button catalogue available by email
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

Stifle is the only word which is an anagram of itself.
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: LENSMAN?
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:58:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1gapseINNhnh@agate.berkeley.edu> sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
>What about (from memory): "cool your jets", "hipe!", "zwilnik", "space
>louse", and the all-powerful Negasphere?  *These* are examples of
>really bad "futuristic" jargon. 

	Again, huh? Most of those don't sound any worse than expressions
in use every day, right here on Planet Earth, 20th century. (Listen
to Valley Speech or to the exaggerated street language used in a lot
of rap music). Cool your jets is an expression whose meaning is obvious
and derivation is virtually inevitable given the culture. I don't remember
offhand the original source of "Zwilnik". "Hipe" was basically just
a verbalized expression without any inherent meaning, as I recall,
something like "YO!", or perhaps meaning "hurry" -- analagous to
"stat". "Negasphere"...  that's a perfectly good (and evocative) name
for the thing it was describing, namely, a large sphere of negative
matter.


 I still love the books, but they're
>not really science fiction -- they're adventure/fantasy/romance novels
>written with (rather clumsy) science fiction trappings.  Kind of like
>Star Wars, which borrowed heavily from Doc Smith.

	Of course they aren't SF -- they're SO, Space Opera.

					Sea Wasp

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From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Anarchy in S.F.
Summary: SF stories with anarchy as a theme
Keywords: Anarchy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:25:32 GMT

I can think of two SF novels that have anarchy or anarchic societies as a
theme and context. They are:

	THE DISPOSSESSED by U.LaGuin
	INHERIT THE STARS by Hogan

Can you good folks think of any others?

Conan the Libertarian


-- 
"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:14:15 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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Keywords: Literary SF

In article <1992Dec14.163037.17375@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>
>_Palimpsest_ by Carter Scholz and Bruce Harnencourt

Agh!  I've done my best to forget that one.  I saw it one day
in a friend's collection; it fit all my test criteria for
good sf (literary marketing, basically), so I asked to borrow it.

"No," he said.  "You don't want to borrow that book."

I insisted.

"No," he said.  "You _really_ don't want to borrow that book."

But then again, this was a man who liked Lois McMaster Bujold.
So I was unrelenting and he eventually gave in.

Mistake.

_Palimpsest_ is the worst sf novel I have ever read, by at least two
orders of magnitude.  It is appalling - amazingly appalling.  Anyone
who reads it will come away with a great new respect for John Norman.
It is simply the _magnum opus abominati_.

In fact, I have proven rigorously that it represents the theoretical
asymptote of awful fiction in the English language.

c
but the proof won't fit in the margins
From: HEROY@lsuvm.BITNET (Paul Heroy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Friedman opinions??
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:24:00 GMT

On 13 Dec 92 15:13:58 GMT <w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu> said:
>I'd be interested to hear other's opinion of C.S.Friedman.
>
>I found _In Conquest Born_ to be a little boring (maybe just too drawn
>out), but I really liked _The Madness Season_.

I seem to be going against the grain, but I was totally absorbed by ICB. It
was maybe a little longish. There certainly does seem to be a trend now for
books to be overlong and underedited, but I found ICB to be a longer book
that didn't really need to be cut down that much, which is an exception.

>I've just seen there's a new novel out - _Black Sun Rising_, or something
>like that.  Opinions, anyone??

On the other hand, I *did* find this one a little 'too drawn out'. I didn't
enjoy the pacing as much as ICB. (I haven't read The Madness Season yet, but
have it on a shelf somewhere.) Like Emma Pease said, it does have nice takes
on magic and vampires, and it *is* very well done. It is also the first in a
series, so beware. I have no idea at what stage the next book is.

I think she (C.S. Friedman) handles the psychological aspect of her characters
very well (and characterization in general, too), creates nice universes in
which to place her characters, has enough interesting ideas or twists on ideas
to make a story stand out and not be a formulaic book, and creates a believable
'atmosphere'. Her pacing is somewhat lacking, but then again, how many authors
are Glen Cook? (Insert standard Glen Cook fan whine here :-)

Paul Heroy     Bitnet: heroy@lsuvm     Internet: heroy@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Gary Weiner)
Subject: Re: SF for juveniles
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:30:36 GMT

In article <9212142300.AA21714@cpunk.watson.ibm.com> Nick Simicich <njs@watson.ibm.com> writes:
>>  Date: 25 Nov 92 19:55:34 GMT
>>  From: ca572@cleveland.freenet.edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
>>
>>  List of Heinlien juveniles:
>
>[......]
>
>>  _Starship Troopers_ was meant to be part of the series (published by
>>  Scribners from 1947-58) but the publisher blew their collective tops when
>>  the manuscript was turned in ("Flogging, as a positive social force, in a
>>  children's book!?"), so it was published as a grown-up novel.
>
>Interestingly enough, it was in my grade school libraryin, oh, 1962?.
>I guess that by then they thought of Heinlein as a juvenile writer.
>First Heinlein I ever read, although I didn't develop my obsession
>until I read "Have Space Suit, Will Travel".
>
>Nick Simicich (njs@watson.ibm.com) -SSI AOWI #3958, HSA #318, NAUI #14065


I guess this become another *FAQ Frowned upon thread* but _Have Space Suit,
Will Travel_ was my first *real* SF novel which Iread when Iwas about 10.

After that I read all the RAH I could find and by then I was hooked...

....Hi, my name is Gary and I'm a SF-aholic...


Gary J. Weiner  | Brookhaven National Laboratories  | "The killer awoke 
PO BOX 715      | National Synchrotron Light Source |  before dawn...
Upton,NY 11973  |    weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov     |  he put his boots on..."

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From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: Re: Wheel of Time: Major Questions??????
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:28 GMT

In article <d0ellren.723899006@dtek.chalmers.se> d0ellren@dtek.chalmers.se (Patrik Ellren) writes:
>
>I think that what she said was that three women would share Rand and didn't
>say anyhing specific about marriage. I think that the third woman will be
>Aviendha since Rand has started to dream about her too and Lanfear seems
>to dislike the Aiel jade.
>
>
>Did male Aes Sedai bond Warders? Or did the use of Warders start after
>the Breaking? Anyway it looks like a good idea to me if Rand could get
>a warder (maybe a Maiden of the Spear), it might be a good idea to have
>one to watch his back while he is channeling. Besides the glossary in
>the back says that what the Aes Sedai gains from the bonding is a
>closely held secret so there must be more to it than getting a bodyguard.
>


	Interesting point.  And the concept of two Aes Sedai bonding to each
	other again, as has not been done since the death of the last king of
	Manetheren (both king and queen could channel, as I recall), could
	surely make even Shai'tan think twice.

	HEY JIM!!  ARE YOU SEEING THIS??

-- 
Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
From: justinf@cco.caltech.edu (Justin Fang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein and "wimmin"
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:10:48 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <11DEC92.15625014.0172@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, O2NY <O2NY@UNB.CA>
wrote:
> what is wrong with that. If there is any greater contribution to
> humankind than procreating, I would really like to know what it is.

When you live on an overcrowded planet, NOT procreating, or at least
limiting your reproduction, may be a much, much better contribution. (5.5
billion and counting...)

> David Szemerda
> the cursed SF fan
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From: al@iris.claremont.edu (ere i am, jh)
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Keywords: tigana
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:21:43 GMT

Tim Powers
Guy Gavriel Kay
Kim Stanley Robinson
John Crowley (although he had better hurry)
Iain M. Banks
William Gibson
Richard Adams
Morgan Llewellyn
Tad Williams
Ursula K. LeGuin

The top four (and Tad) are set in stone; I have yet to be even mildly 
disappointed with any of their works (well, maybe _Tailchaser's Song_
was too big of a rip-off, but I enjoyed it).

non-sf:

John Barth
Mark Helprin
...too many to mention here.
-- 
Michael L. Medlin  al@iris.claremont.edu

In the kingdom of boredom, I wear the royal sweatpants.
--mark leyner
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From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: Ending of Tigana question *spoilers*
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:37:08 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: tigana

Susan E. Kayser writes:

>So--which of the three (Sandre, Baerd, Devin) gets which part of the prophecy?

Graham James Reilly writes:

>I think perhaps the point is we don't know.
>That's the end of the book, but the story goes on.

Exactly!  The last line of TIGANA is one of my favorites of all time,
precisely because of this reminder that he may have finished writing
his story, but the characters have lives that continue.  And this would
appear to be turning into a Kay trademark; without fear of spoilers, I
think I can safely mention that A SONG FOR ARBONNE has a similar (though
different!) "the song is over, but the melody lingers on" kind of ending.

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
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From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
Subject: Re: Mass minds (was: Greg Bear Blood Music)
Organization: Yale University
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:08:43 GMT

sometimes a Wombat (lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu) wrote:
: For a humorous spin on the second, see Douglas Adams' throw-away
: comments about the people that hosted the Disaster Area concert.

Hey, wait a second. You've just hit on the perfect description of Douglas
Adams' style. EVERYTHING is a throw-away comment!

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: RE: Anyone like to comment on Garden of Rama?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:35:16 EST

In article <15DEC92.14218824.0077@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
O2NY000 <O2NY@UNB.CA> writes:
 
>
>In article <Bz6xxG.F3F@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartlemp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Michael P Hartley) writes:
>>[stuff deleted]
>Contrairy, to other opinions, I enjoyed the first book 'Rama', and
>utterly despised the second. I mean come on, the absolute prime
>choice of all humanity, the best we have to offer, and they act like
>soap-opera characters in space."She's sleeping with so-an-so." Greed,
>childishness, and a totally unprofessional attitude throughout the
>book. Didn't anyone do a check on the people before they were accepted
>as the cream of the crop? Do you think space-shuttle astronauts bicker
>about television rights in space?
 
    (I LOVE being a cynic...)
    Considering the number of presidents, philosophers and literary
figures who had mistresses on the side...
    Also, I understand that Issac Newton was not a nice guy...
    Astronauts don't bicker because the TV rights belong to NASA and
Big Brother.  Wasn't there a whole messy incident about the relatives
of the astronauts killed in the Challenger explosion trying to sell
rights to the life stories of the astronauts?
 
>
 
*******************************************************************
 
     I got remote control and a color TV
     I don't change the channels so they must change me.
 
     I need a doctor for my pressure pills
     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
     I need a banker to finance my home
     I need security to back my loan
 
     I shouldn't bitch
     I shouldn't cry
     I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.
 
          Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu)
From: ddb@tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-Bennet)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Hughart, Bridge Of Birds
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:21:16 GMT


 ML> I just finished reading _Bridge of Birds_.  This book is a more high-brow
 ML> kind of comedy-fantasy than Asprin's Aahz & Skeeve books, but it is just
as
 ML> funny.  I found myself laughing outloud
 ML> at some of the innane situations and
 ML> predicaments Number Ten Ox and Li Kao
 ML> found themselves in.  

Yes, this was fun.  It won the World Fantasy Award in Tucson a few years ago
(not two years, the time BEFORE that when WFC was in Tucson).

There are two sequels, _The Story of the Stone_ and _Eight Skilled Gentlemen_. 
I was dissapointed that this fresh new talent immediately started doing sequels,
but actually the books are pretty good.

 * Origin: Taste happens (1:282/341.0)
From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: QX and on green! (was Re: LENSMAN?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:05:10 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1gapseINNhnh@agate.berkeley.edu>, sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
> In article <522@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
> )	Now "clear ether" used to sound awfully silly to me... until
> )I heard people routinely saying "have a nice day"... 
> 
> What about (from memory): "cool your jets", "hipe!", "zwilnik", "space
> louse", and the all-powerful Negasphere?  *These* are examples of
> really bad "futuristic" jargon.  

It's part of the fun.  From memory, in one of the books a character,
attempting to express the notion that Clarissa MacDougal is extremely
attractive, describes her as "a seven-sector callout."

In the mine-disaster passage in *First Lensman* a character says:

       "I could chew a handful of iron filings 
       and *puke* a better emergency pump than that!"

In the Seventies one acquaintance transformed this-- speaking, I
believe, of the Motorola 6800-- into:

       "I could chew a handful of sand 
       and *puke* a better microprocessor than that!"

>I still love the books, but they're
> not really science fiction -- they're adventure/fantasy/romance novels
> written with (rather clumsy) science fiction trappings.  Kind of like
> Star Wars, which borrowed heavily from Doc Smith.

They ARE TOO science fiction.  That is my opinion.  I have no interest
in entering a detailed argument on this subject, though.

                               Hot jets and clear ether,

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From: mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Breckinridge Elkins Fans?
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.051126.27847@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
> 
>    Is anyone else out here a fan of Robert Howard's Breckinridge Elkins
> stories? Howard is best known for the Conan saga, of course; but during
> the last stages of his life, he had abandoned Conan for the Elkins
> sagas, whcih were set in the old wild west.  In fact, did anyone else
> ever make a 19th-century hillbilly a fantasy hero?
>   I'm calling the Elkins tal fantasy, though they might come closer to
> folklore.  At any rate, they are very well crafted -- Howard never
> plotted better in his life -- and, if you go in for tall tale humor,
> they're very funny. Anyway, am I the only Breck fan here?

Never heard of them until now, actually.  (Why, oh why isn't Howard in print
still?  'Cause he didn't write 12 volume megaseries?)  Are they anything like
the "John" stories by Manly Wade Wellman?  (Great folklore-fantasy BTW)  If
they are I might like to check them out, if I can find them that is.

>
From: marotta@hannah.enet.DEC.COM ("Hurt not the Earth, neither the sea, nor the trees.   17-Dec-1992 0958", Revelations 7:3)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Heinlein
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:17:17 GMT

Lots of notes yesterday in response to a clumsy attempt to
describe the way Heinlein lets female readers down; I just
have to jump in and defend the underdog.  The fact it, every
novel I've read by Heinlein (starting with the original
"Stranger in a Strange Land" back in the 60s, to "Job" and
"Friday" and "Number of the Beast" in the early 80s --
I could not bear to read any of his later books) has featured
all kinds of nasty role models.  I certainly would not recommend
any of his novels (even the juveniles) for my child.  The men
are hot headed, egotistical, and careless.  Women are silly,
emotional, incomplete, and dependent.  In fact, though he
had every right to fictionalize his fantasies, Heinlein was
writing many many books about his favorite cast of characters,
of which there were perhaps 3 (one man, I already described him,
and two women - one passive and dependent and nice, while the
other is a strong but bad-tempered [read: uncooperative] b*tch).

Anyone who has read three or more Heinlein novels can see the 
similarities;  Heinlein spent all his time tooting the same horn:
individual rights depend on the individual's strength of will.
Men who are mavericks are strong and intelligent.  Women who
are cooperative and support the men are strong and intelligent.
Blech.

Anyhow, I am a Heinlein fan from way back (you can tell!).  I finished
John Varley's "Steel Beach" just a couple of weeks ago.  I didn't
much like the novel (typically mechanical characters for a
cyberpunk novel), but I had a good time when I read the part
about the half-finished spaceship where the Heinlein-lovers lived.
To Varley's credit, their society was based on Heinlein's best
ideas with just a dash of humor.  To bad Varley's main character
became a woman for awhile: that was really the low point of the book.
He just has no idea what women care about, what our problems are,
and how we look at life in general.  Kind of reminded me of
Heinlein's "Friday," in fact, because neither author succeeded at
disguising their male personalities in their attempts at 
female protagonists.
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Science Fiction
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:33:27 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <1992Dec20.090204.27394@netcom.com> rvf@netcom.com (Richard Frueh) writes:
>In article <1h16tkINNrbo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly) says:
>>
>>>In article <9212181351.AA04903@rutgers.edu> JXA01@albnydh2.BITNET writes:
>>>
>>>>Could someone please help? I am looking for science fiction stories that
>>>>have motorcycling as a main theme or component of the story. >
>>>
>>There was also a post-holocaust novel covering the adventures of a Hell's
>>Angel.  Don't recall the title offhand, but the author's name began with a
>>W.
>
>_The Lost Traveller_, by Steve Wilson. 1976, ISBN 0-345-34113-9
>
>Plot: America is no more, large portions wasteland - scientist figures way
>to fix, needs protection. Was all right.

Wasn't there a motorcyclist as a strong secondary character in _Footfall_?

Also, (and I realize that this is stretching things even further) I think
there was a scene in Palmer's _Threshold_ in which the main character is
riding a motorcycle across an alien landscape while being chased by a 
dragon. (I think of this as one of the coolest scenes in sf.)

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Lost novels by Philip K. Dick (was: Re: Kim Stanley Robinson)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:13:00 GMT
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In <1992Dec15.014024.18181@eff.org> write@eff.org writes:

> However, "Nicholas and the Higs" sounds an awful lot like the posthumous 
> children's book "Nick and the Glimmung."

I was wondering about these name similarities myself, but forgot to mention it
in the previous posting.

> And the name George Stavros seems very familiar, but then, I've read
> the collected short stories and, after awhile, Dickian names and themes
> start to run together on me.

Dick rewrote "A Time for George Stavros" as one of the mainstream novels that
has been published.  I can't remember which one though.  It's in the Sutin book,
but I don't have that with me right now.

MWS
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