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From: deviass@ecf.toronto.edu (Deviasse Robert)
Subject: Re: GRW gets the blues
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:34:58 GMT

*delurk*

lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique) keeps the faith...
> In article <BzDyzu.H7A@ecf.toronto.edu> deviass@ecf.toronto.edu (Deviasse Robert) writes:
> >*delurk*
> >
> >lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique) despairs...
> >> of you know I'm thinking of you.  Don't give up on those
> >> dreams of yours either, I'm holding on tight to mine, even
> >> if they do seem impossible right now.
> >
> >What?!?! The GRW has the blues. We can't have that. I guess you'll
> >just have to have a taste of your own medicine.
> 
> Oh, Robert, you are so good to me.  *Hugg*
> 

Anything for the GRW.
ARC needs it's GRW in good spirits.

> 
> >*takes out a bag of stray Golden Majique Romanitic Dust collected since the GRW left*
> >Here Lis. Enjoy!
> >*Robert showers the GRW with the recycled Golden Majique Romanitic Dust*
> 
> Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I feel better already!   Thank you, Robert.  
> I needed that.  *The GRW's Blue Eyes Shine Brightly*

*grin*

> 
> >Don't worry all things pass. Keep the faith.
> >*warm lurking hugs*
> >Welcome back.
> 
> It's good to be back, thank you.  And I'm keeping the faith,
> I promise.  Things are looking up.  I'm finally taking some
> actions and am in the process of getting my life back on
> track again.  Heartaches come, and heartaches go, and I'm 
> finding it's what a person learns from these situations and
> how I grow from them that is so very very precious and important.
> 
> It all takes time....  But there seems to always come a lot
> of beauty from a lot of pain.  I can see the rainbow ahead,
> and I see the pot of gold, there's still quite a mountain
> to climb, but I'm halfway up it, not gonna back down now!
> Too close to that pot of gold.  Being true to oneself is
> very important through things like this.... I think Steven
> mentioned that earlier.  
> 

I was going to add to this, but I'm tongue-tied. I can't think of a more 
eloquent way of expanding "Don't worry all things pass. Keep the faith.".
I'm definitely going to save this article for a rainy day.


> >Take care,
> >   Robert
> >*enlurk*
> 
> I promise!  You take care too!   And, hey, it's so nice
> when you unlurk.  :-)
> 

I'm glad to see you're almost back to your normal sunny self.

> 	** Magical Bewitching Christmas Huggs **
> 
> Lis, The Official Good Romantic Witch
> and Honoured Former President
> of the Romantic Fire Association
> 
> p.s.  Heaven is a *Hug* and a *Smile*
>       the Joy of Music and the Beauty of Silence
> 
> 

Take care
    Robert

*enlurk*
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| EMAIL: g2devi@cdf.utoronto.ca |    are the things we cherish the most."     |
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Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: verwey@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary-Ann Verwey)
Subject: Re: Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 06:50:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec14.161313.12833@sequent.com> rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>In article <92Dec12.005734.19386@acs.ucalgary.ca> verwey@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary-Ann Verwey) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.193919.9258@sequent.com> rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>>>In article <92Dec09.114642.22032@acs.ucalgary.ca> verwey@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary-Ann Verwey) writes:
>>>>In article <6918@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> hendm@essex.ac.uk (HendersonThynne M) writes:
>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>      Im new to alt.romance.chat, Im Mark from the University of Essex. I`ve been listening in for a few days and now im thinking: these seen like really great people!!!! ;) :)
>>>>
>>>>Hi Mark! Welcome to ARC :) This place is most definitely full of
>>>>great and fun and special people, there are a few warped ones as
>>>>well (grins at Rip and LF).
>>>
>>>Exsqueeze me?!  Just what do you mean by warped OhMistressOfMine?  And
>>>you be careful or me and LF will pick on you again!! :-)
>>
>>Exactly my point OhSlaveoMine! ;) Watch what you say or I may
>>just have to pull out the video camera :)
>
>Oh goodie!!  Home movies!  Shall I make some popcorn?  I just love
>feeding you popcorn, one carnal at a time....  butter dripping from
>each fluffy morsel.... >;-)

I was thinking of making you watch reruns of old late 60's and
early 70's sitcoms, Welcome Back Kotter, The Jefferson's until
you beg for mercy... :) But well I have some home movies that we
could watch instead if you are good, and I may even let you feed
me one carnal at a time ;)

>*Hug*
>Thank you!  I worship the whip that beats me....
>
>rip(MA's Slave)

Your welcome Rip, there is more where that came from :)

Mary-Ann (Rip's Mistress)


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From: j_hammon@csd.uwe.ac.uk (J Hammond-turner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Still Stunned
Keywords: Sunset
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <92345.075020IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET> IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Hi...I'm Michele (at ASU).  I'm the one who was thrown out of angst
>for being too positive!
>
....
>
>I can go back to being my smiley, cheery self.  So, has anyone ever
>seen the beautiful sunsets here in Arizona?

Nope - obviously we should... All we get are the smog covered ones here in
Bristol!!! Perhaps this is a cue to arrange an ARC Arizona Sunset Party???
Sounds good, doesn't it!!!

Hugs'n'Stuff

Joel


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Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:39:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.210816.12414@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>]
>] Oh, and here it was because we were friends, that really hurts, and
>] after all I did for your doors... *sniff*
>
>Oh Sure, Conjure up some Dead Rock Musician and
>I'm suppose to consider this an alternative to
>getting a CD?
>
>ciao
>drieux

You want a Corrupt Donkey for Christmas?  I think we better take this
to asb, and I don't mean .bondage...  unless you are into tying up
your donkey......

rip
-- 
Bizarreness is the essence of the exotic
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Did anyone see this before ?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:48:20 GMT

In article <92354.175933U60703@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60703@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>In talking w/friends if one of us happens to mention/say "I met this really
>>>great guy....etc.....but he is still married legally, but he says......"...
>>>Instantly red flags go up...and we reply to each other"Hey!..wait..hold on.
>>>a minute here.".....It DOES make a difference....
>>yeah, but what do you do?
>>I have a friend who is in this situation...has been in this situation
>>for years...it's caused her a lot of heartache...but she LIKES it there
>>and is still waiting....
>>HELP!!!!
>>
>Wow....is a toughie Mr. Bacon.....The best thing you can do for her is to
>leave her be...i know this sounds cruel...but YOU can't do anything about
>her situation, only she can....

yeah, I know...at least the part of me that thinks does...it's just
that I have this thing underneath about wanting to help people...
it does get to be a problem cause I want to help them even though
I know better...

>Sounds kike you may have affections for this friend???.....You best move on if
>so....If you are always there for her to "dump" sorrows on....be that friend
>in need ...is not good for you or her....if she had to cope w/situation
>on her own....she may come around and realize she has put herself in that
>position when she has to really think on her own instead of dumping on you...
>...but she also may never come around..
>
>...I know this may sound cruel but
>sometimes people will not learn/grow unless things hit bottom....you being
>a buffer/unloading station may be hindering her more than helping....I let
>my friends talk to me....but when they consistently dump...I inform them
>that the "same old" is pretty old...and I don't care to keep going over it...
>usually they will come around after having to stew with their dilemmas and I
>feel better  too for having given them thinking space :)

OK. I admit to affections. However, some other experiences I've had
lately have helped me to be able to bury such things relatively well. *sigh*
(besides I have no where to move on to at this point...)

The problem is of course that I think she's kinda cool in general as
a friend as well. If she were to marry the guy, I'd still like to keep
in touch - she's reasonably nice to hang out with etc. So to just
wander off...well...that's not really cool either.

In general she doesn't have lots to dump. Used to at one time, well...
I was there then and caught it all...but there ain't much need no more
for that.

>Don't know if that will help but...only thing I can think of to tell you guy...

hey, it's not as if I have the answers either, so...

>Carole :)

hi carole :)

-bacon
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Subject: Re: Holidays!
Reply-To: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:18:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.031312.19965@cheshire.oxy.edu>, johnsons@cheshire.oxy.edu (Sarah Curtis Johnson) writes:
|> Well, it's almost time to pack up the ol' computer and head home for the 
|> holidays!
|> 
|> But how could I leave without one last goodbye hug to all my friends here at
|> ARC?
|> 
|> ********************HUG********************
|> 
|> Happy and Safe Holidays to all!  
|> 	(and don't forget your New Year's Resolutions!!!!)
|> 
|> -Sarah 
|> Official Chocolate-covered Strawberry of the RFA
|> 
|> one last *HAPPYHOLIDAYHUG*!!!
|> 
|> :)

*HAPPYHOLIDAYHUGS* back to you, Sarah!!! (Hey, watch out with that chocolate...)

:-D   @}-->-->---   Big smile and a 'net-rose' for the Official Chocolate-
covered Strawberry!  (Hey Rob, I thought you removed that chocolate.  My
clothes will never be the same...  ;-)  )

----------
Sean Roberts
Unofficial random signature of the RFA
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: rmair@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Mair)
Subject: Re: Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:57:46 GMT

jrsalt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Julie Salter) writes:

>rmair@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Mair) shares: 

>>Oh dear, Madame Prez is going down with senility now....
>>Well, I suppose it had to happen....

>Yeah, its sad really....

>>
>>I guess the oldies shouldn't have so much sex 
>>It must affect the brain   :-)

>Ross, Dear, you've got it all wrong.  Its LACK of sex that causes senility.

Ahh, well that makes sense... um, what was you name, dear?????

>I've been majorily sick you see....:(

>Good news is....I'm feeling fine now!!!! ;)

>>
>>*Ross runs very quickly, dodging assorted missiles*

>No need to run, Sweetie.....you were just confused...

Yeah - I Know!   Thanks...
Just that mind isn't what it used to be, you know.

Now, where'd I put my, um, whaddaya call it......

Ross
Official Personal Bodyguard to Lis, the Good Romantic Witch
***********************************************************
Ignore the from line: I'm really at rwm@stan.xx.swin.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: deviass@ecf.toronto.edu (Deviasse Robert)
Subject: Re: Googleplex (was Re: Chocolate...: )
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:46:52 GMT

smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com (Cheshire Cat) talks of big things.... 
>Ah, but you all missed the point!
>
>A googleplex is one of them new-fangled movie theaters
>opening soon in a sprawling metropolis near you!
>
>(Frightening close to the truth, too!  *shudder*)

So what are the movie titles that play at the GooglePlex?
  Big?
  The Biggest Show on Earth?
  From here to Eternity?
  Endless Love?
  Never Ending Story?

Just curious....

*enlurk*


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| Robert N. Deviasse            |"The things that are not easily attained,    |
| EMAIL: g2devi@cdf.utoronto.ca |    are the things we cherish the most."     |
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Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Re: Best Place for a Sunset...
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:19:17 GMT

In article <92349.200808AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET> Lisa Mae <AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.210648.15005@sequent.com>, rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)
>>  But I still say that the best sunsets are in Montana...
>
>   I think this calls for an "unbias" opinion.  Since I have been to Montana
>and other states, I can honestly say, "The different sunsets are beautiful
>in their own rights, but Arizona is the prettiest."  Come during monsoon
>season, you'll find enjoyment in viewing the tempest in the sky.  Electrical
>storm, blood red sky, a comanche moon, the calmness of the desert and the
>energy in the sky.......lovely feelings. *grin*
>

Yeah, the sun went to Montana and Arizona on vacation once but it LIVES in
Haleiwa, Hawaii <serene smile>

dB
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920)
Subject: Did anyone see this before ?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:56:54 GMT

I posted this once before a couple of days ago.  Did anyone see it ?  Am I
still gettin' outside my immediate domain ?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

... happened.  I've been LJBF'ed!  I can't believe it.  Maybe ARC'ers can help.
I met this awesome women who lives in the apartment below me.  After a few 
weeks I went down and asked her up for coffee.  She said sure but was dressed
for bed so I gave her my number.  She didn't call so I waited a while and then
reached down into the old bag-o-romantic-tricks and pulled out an oldie but a
goodie.  I got a helium balloon and attached a really long ribbon to it.  I
wrote a note explaining that I wanted to see her and attached it to the ribbon
near the balloon.  Then I tied the ribbon to her door and ran the balloon up
into the night sky.  I attached another note that said "Pull me" to the ribbon
near the door.  That night when she got home she called.  She was very  
impressed and agreed to go out with me.  I took her to a really nice resturant
and we had a great time.  I was dressed to kill and we talked and talked.
As we were walking back to the apartment she was going on and on about how
much fun she had.  I told her not to encourage me or I would ask her to go
out again.  She said that I should definitely do that.  So later that week I
called her up and ask if I could cook dinner for her.  She agreed and I set it
up for her next day off.  A couple of days later we were talking on the phone
and she told me that a guy she has been maintaining an LDR with was coming to
visit.  She said her emotions were confused and that she didn't think it would
be fair to him or me for us to have a serious relationship right now.  You
know "Let's just be friends for now" or something equivalent.  Well, normally
I'd just let it go.  But in this case I am reluctant to do that.  I mean you
don't run across a women like this everyday.  She's beautiful (27, blonde,
athletic body, gorgeous face), intelligent, funny, nice.  The works.  Therefore
I am determined not to give up without a fight.  I mean I haven't wanted a
women this bad in a while.  But I don't want to be one of those saps who
hopelessly pursues a women and ends up making a fool of himself.  It's not
like I'm out of my league or anything.  I'm a young (29) and fairly attractive
guy with a good body.  I'm educated, and intelligent.  But I'm not quite
divorced.  She said that doesn't matter but I wonder.

Whaddya think?  I'm particularly interested in a womens perspective.  But any
of you guys that have successfully pursued a similar relationship that started
out with a one-sided attraction please respond also.

Thanx

KimmyD (This Kimmy is a man.  Factory equipped as a matter of fact!)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 20:24:47 MST
From: Lisa Mae <AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Go ahead! Follow my whim...
 <1992Dec4.161643.21618@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com>
 <92342.222538AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
 <1992Dec9.183704.25209@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com>

In article <1992Dec9.183704.25209@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com>,
puter@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude) says:
>
> Lisa Mae <AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET> grabs my behind...
*grin* I do like to do that.  Well, it depends on if you have a cute
behind or not. *wink*
>
>|>Accidents could be caused by *me* leakin' in the road, too!  :)
>|EEeeeek!  A Puter on the loose.   Maybe we could stick a bumber sticker on
>|your tush that says, "Honk if you want some." *grin*
>Right next to the one that says "Dangerous Material Ahead".

Your own observation?  Or has someone told you this? (Well, we have to
see if it is consumer safe....)
>
>|   mmmMMmmmm....I think that would be a comfortable place to be....fitting
>|into your hands.
>|>                *grin*
>|             *wicked grin*
>As long as the callouses don't scratch TOO much. Unless ya like that...

No. Could you wear gloves??           *laughter*
>
>|>Doin' lunch at Frederick's...   *giggle*
>|Only if you promise that I can try on the womens lingerie this time!!
>(Bows haed and shuffles feet)   Well, only if I still get to try on
>those red crotchless thingies...

All right, but no complaining if it doesn't fit very good. *grin*

>
`|Negatives of my buns??  Sorry, I don't have a camera with a timer. *GRIN*
>Maybe I could get you to sit on this copier for a moment. Please
>don't mind the bright light...

And burn my buns?!?  *ouch*  Besides, I don't know the specifics of
copiers...but I don't think they have "negatives".
>
>|>|(It goes bounce bounce bounce.)
>|>So do my checks!
>|And what will you do for me?? *wicked grin*
>_Check_ to see what _bounces_, I imagine...  *chuckle*

No.  That's too easy on me. *blush*  And I wouldn't want you staring
*THERE* all day, just watching. (shut up Blade!)
>
>|*kiss*   ....a man in shock..... *sigh* That's the nice way to get a man to
>|let you go. mua ha ha ha hahahahahahah
>But it _could_ lead to tighter huggin'... And we ALL know what that
>leads to...

   I go with the man that stated....."crushed ribs."  I knew someone
who liked to hug me as tight as possible.  It starting getting difficult
to even move. *sigh*
>
But, for the effort......
*hug*
Ariel
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: rmair@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Mair)
Subject: Re: Puter in lingerie...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:02:59 GMT

AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET (Lisa Mae) writes:

>(Ross Mair) says:
>>
>hmmmmmm......(want to be a silent partner?) *grin*
>Ross:
>>What, be silent???
>>Could I moan, or mouth "Oh yes Baby!!!" if I did it very quietly???  :-)

>Matters what we are doing at the time.  And if we would be doing something
>at that time....I can almost guarantee you'd be moaning something. *wink*
>*grin*

Hmmm. Sounds good to me  :-)~~
So I don't have to be that quiet then?

>>Ross:
>>If I was shopping with Ariel, I'd be helping *her* into the red crotchless
>>panties and black stockings.....   :-)~~~~

>Ahhh, a man after my own...............body. *Sly Grin*

Me??  *Innocent Grin*
Not me. I'm a NiceGuy.  :-)

*Ross tosses Ariel some more panties and suggests she try them on as well :-) *

>>Ross:
>>Could someone explain this to Puter - please!!
>>And to think this man fathered me.... who told him how to do it?  :-)

>*laughter*   Maybe he read it on the back of a cereal box, or in a
>fortune cookie. ;)

OYep - you are probably right!! :-)

Ross
Official Personal Bodyguard to Lis, the Good Romantic Witch
***********************************************************
Ignore the from line: I'm really at rwm@stan.xx.swin.oz.au
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: Did anyone see this before ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:49:58 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Dec14.225654.16530@brtph560.bnr.ca> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
> A couple of days later we were talking on the phone
>and she told me that a guy she has been maintaining an LDR with was coming to
>visit.  She said her emotions were confused and that she didn't think it would
>be fair to him or me for us to have a serious relationship right now.  You
>know "Let's just be friends for now" or something equivalent. 
>
>

If you pursue then she might equate that as being selfish and having no respect for her wishes.  She knows you are there and needs to finish the other 
situation before she could really continue with a serious open relationship withyou.  If you really value the potential and just wait awhile to see what she 
does on her own, she might decide in your favor and her making her own choice
free and clear of typical male competitiveness would create the foundation of a
really solid and long lasting relationship.  If you charge in with the idea of
winning a prize you may lose her and marr your own credibility to the community.

She set the stage for you to be a real gentleman and situations in the present
can always change in the future and that kind of sacrifice can make lots of 
interest in the bank.  If you really care about someone, you will let them GO.
If it comes back on it's own . . . Trust yourself to wait.

dB
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)
Subject: Re: Puter Confesses!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.210706.13976@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com> puter@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude) writes:
>|>deviass@ecf.toronto.edu exorcises:
>|
>|**bunch deleted**
>|
>|>That only works in Georgia and only if you can get him
>|> to make a bet with you (cf. C.McDaniels).
>|
>|So, whose this 'McDaniels' guy?
>|
>|rip(...chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough....)
>
>That be McJack's brother...

He got a cousin name of Jim McBeam?

irp(too much Beam...)
-- 
Truly great madness can not be achieved without significant
intelligence.
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Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
From: roth@sitter.ips.id.ethz.ch (Martin Roth)
Subject: Re: HO HO
Organization: ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:37:29 GMT

mtompset@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Stopped Jobs Avenger) writes:
>In article <Bz3Kuu.LG7@dcs.ed.ac.uk> bojh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Benjamin Hammond) writes:
>>MERRY CHRISTMAS (HO HO HO) !
>>The kids pulled off my beard, but I was expecting it and ignored them)

>816! :) But seriously, why didn't you grow one? ;) 
 ^^^
Please? What's that supposed to mean?


>--
>Does this .sig help Martin?

Sure, much better! Now include your name and a nice quote to get the
real thing!
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