From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:58:53 GMT


>I agree that (generally) gay/lesbian do participate only in peaceful demon-
>startions.  But..  they are human beings.  If they don't get the equality they
>deserved (in society), or their points don't get acrossed, like any other 
>human beings they tend to get frustrated. (If they are not already frustrated)
>A man/woman needs no big click to burst out their frustrations.  Correct me if
>I am wrong, but all different views have clashed heavily throughout the history
>of (hu)mankind.  I truly believe one day the bloodbath will come.  Only the 
>matter of time.

You have a point.  Frustration can drive nearly any human being to making
rash decisions and to taking poorly thought-out action.

As far as correcting you...  I don't know if all different views have clashed
heavily throughout the history of humankind.  I have great hope that individual
freedom in the U.S. will grow, that people won't judge and condemn others just
because they do not believe, or maintain the same value system, or morals as
do themselves.  Hence my biased belief that a bloody clash will occur.

>And, why do you think or general people would think that the "homophobes" are
>the ones who will be taking the violent action?  Are gay/lesbian not human 
>beings as well?  Do they not retaliate?  You are stereotyping "homophobes" as 
>the violent ones and the gay/lesbian as the peaceful ones.  That should not be 
>so, according to my view.  We are all humans - homosexuals and heterosexuals.  
>Is it hard to believe there are peaceful "homophobes" ?  Or is it even harder
>to believe there is a violent homosexual?

Because FEAR is a deep-seated emotion which goads the body into the "fight or
flight" reflex.  When you FEAR, you are more likely to ACT.  Physically.  People
who feal threatened by homosexuality and other such "moral issues" are experiencing that response.  You might argue that if the "phobes" are, then so too are the recipients of the "phobes" directed response.  Perhaps, but the 
recipients approach the whole situation rationally from the start.  Which
suggests that they are either in control of their "fight or flight," or they
never really feared.  And, since they are not the aggressor, merely vying for
acceptance, I imagine if one faction approching them with the "fight" mode
engaged, wode trigger them to the "flight" mode...  so a clash would (hopefully)
be avoided.

>I suppose I can not speak for her, but she is a person who did everything in >her
>power to get where she stands now.  Why would she give a damn whether those two 
>groups go for each other's throat?  I suppose one view that can be adopted is, 
>if she used her videoes to promote homosexuality.  If she intended to tell the
>world that homosexuality is all right.  It's about time the world, the society
>to stop viewing them as "different".  If that was (is) her purpose, then I am
>sure she would be concerned.  (If the above explanations are not clear to your
>understanding, I will be glad to explain it again if you drop me an e-mail)

People flip flop, I suppose.  When I look back on my personal history, I find
there are things which I wished I hadn't said or done... things that could
even be catagorized as "cruel."  I don't consider myself a "cruel" person, and
I don't want to see two factions collide w/ bloodshed.  The point I am (weakly) trying to make is that GOOD people will do things, say things, even BE things to reach a certain goal...  but once there they revert back to what they were before, good people.  This is a very generalized statement which can be easily
picked apart, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, anyway.

>I am disappointed to tell you that I did not get a single response!  Sigh.....
>
>> Mike
>
>What I am trying to say is, society should views each human being as an indivi-
>dual.  Not his/her preference of sexual partner.  I guess..................

Don't be...  I believe the tone of this conference is shifting.  The fans of
Madonna are ignoring the flaming and "hate" comments about Madonna, and concentrating on her artistry, and her products... which is what this conference
is about.

I agree with your last sentence.  Sexual preferences are irrelevant.  And, I believe what you are implying is that Madonna should be judged on her actions?

Well...  I don't know...  I don't feel that I am qualified to pass judgement on
her, or any other human being in her position.  She treads a line of controversial art.  Art is a method of expression, one meant to be free of
judgemental reprise.  I can like her art, or dislike her art, that's about it.
I do respect what she has gained and, since I do not have a personal relationship with her, I do not dislike her personally, nor do I like her personally.  I'm afraid I am indifferent to her.

Mike