HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: hi tim
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 21:01:22 GMT

In article <C094IC.MFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>Joel has said more than enough times he's serious about this proposal. Maybe
>posting ascii files related to the group he's proposing in alt.config isn't
>the right way to go about it, maybe it is. For the past week I've seen him
>post several articles about his serious intents, and I for one at least
>realize that his ascii posts are an attempt to show others the need for
>the proposed group.

I am very serious about this.  People have generated terabytes of ASCII
cows over the years and there seems to be no newsgroup that these ASCII
cows are welcome in.  Similarly, "cow humor" is very popular at
agriculture-oriented schools and Lord knows we have enough cows here at
Virginia Tech to make cow jokes all the rage.   I feel that a cow-oriented
alt. group would be a good net.citizen and would receive quite a few
postings.  I would, however, support changing the name to alt.humor.cows
as opposed to making it another alt.fan group. 

If the people who keep talking about how I've supported zillions of silly
alt. groups actually _check_, they'll find that I sarcastically suggested
alt.dev.null.mnemonics and alt.fan.catch-22.  Neither of which I pushed
vigilantly for and both of which, at the time, were intended as sarcasm
and taken as such by most people who read them and didn't follow up with
bitter flames.  

Alt.humor.cows is a serious suggestion.  It is _also_ a suggestion I'll
quietly drop if other people don't post to alt.config supporting it.  I am
floating it here to see if people DO support it; I'm really not interested
in bile posted from that twit at UVA or that crank at Chicago.  

If people want an alt.humor.cows group, I'll listen.  If people think that
another group won't be offended if all us cow fans show up there and post
lots and lots of ASCII cows, then I'll listen when they suggest it. 
Rec.pets is out, as the last several times any cow ASCII art has been
posted there, people have gone nuclear.  If people think a better name
than alt.humor.cows exists, then I'll listen to that.  Temper-tantrums
from jerks I don't listen to.

 
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: MST3K: Apology
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:23:42 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In what may qualify as one of the most boneheaded things I have done
this year, I proposed the creation of a newsgroup without first checking
to see if it already existed. Sorry about that... please disregard the
RFD for alt.fan.mst3k.

-- 
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From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal:  alt.hate.lists
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:05:36 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1993Jan1.020317.10148@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>
>	For discussion of "I hate" lists and the positives of hate, anger
>	and rage.

I reccomend checking out alt.peeve.

jem.

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:50:04 GMT

In article <johnsh-211292162121@mustang.stu.rpi.edu> johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
>In article <OLDMAN.92Dec21151323@titan.ucc.umass.edu>,
>oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone) wrote:
>> 	I thought Alaska and Texas were the 2 largest states in the
>> country.  Or maybe it was California.
>> 
>> 	I agree with Tim that it isn't necessary for this group.
>
>New York is the second largest state by population, not by area.

Yesssireee dem dar alot o people.  Some might even say its crowded.
Yep...damn crowded.
From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:22:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <OLDMAN.92Dec21151323@titan.ucc.umass.edu>,
oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone) wrote:
> 	I thought Alaska and Texas were the 2 largest states in the
> country.  Or maybe it was California.
> 
> 	I agree with Tim that it isn't necessary for this group.

New York is the second largest state by population, not by area.

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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: jc@gmd.de (Juergen Christoffel)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Keywords: group creation alt
Reply-To: jc@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:17:48 GMT

In <z-t2_za@rpi.edu> multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics) writes:

>I like alt.os.multics.  I did consider something in the more formal area
>such as comp.os.multics or rec.os.multics, but I'm not sure if there is
>enough interest for those groups.  If enough people think I should work
>toward one of those, instead of an alt group, I'll hunt up the rules
>and see about getting the procedures done to try for a rec or comp group.

You'd have my yes vote for comp.os.multics. Go for it.  But I like
alt.os.multics enough if it's not going to be a mainstream group.

	--jc
-- 
  Juergen Christoffel, GMD-I8,  jc@gmd.de, (++49 2241) 14-2421
   GMD (German National Research Center for Computer Science)

Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:39:31 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

The Amber RPG mailing list has now broken quite a few subscribers'
mail quotas (at nearly 30 messages per day before winter break set in!).
Thanks to a massive wave of unsubscriptions from disgruntled users,
and much gnashing of teeth on the part of the list manager, whom I
have to live with, I think it's time to suggest an alt.* group.

Therefore, I propose an alt.games.frp.amber.  (My second choice for
the name would be "alt.games.amber-rpg," which avoids spawning a
subhierarchy.  My first choice has the advantage of parallelism with
the rec.games.frp hierarchy, though, and I think an alt.games.frp.*
hierarchy will expand to other gaming systems.)

Q&A:

What for?  The mailing list discusses the Amber Role-Playing Game,
created by Eric Wujcik and Roger Zelazny, based on Zelazny's Amber
Chronicles (the first five of which are somewhat better-known ...
_Nine Princes in Amber_, _the Guns of Avalon_, _Sign of the Unicorn_,
_the Hand of Oberon_, _the Courts of Chaos_).  We discuss game
mechanics in some depth, share details of our campaigns, argue
endlessly about who could beat up whom, write long mathematical
treatises on the structure of Shadow, exchange insults among Chaosians
and Amberites, and so on.  (The list _is_ somewhat higher signal-to-
noise than that summary might suggest...)

Why not a mainstream group?  The chances of a rec.games.frp.amber
passing are rather minimal; though a rec.games.frp.dnd exists, the
denizens of the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy are said to be strongly
opposed to creating subgroups for other game systems.  And getting
away from non-Amber-related traffic in rec.games.frp.misc is why
the Amber RPG list was formed in the first place.

Why not alt.fan.amber?  Simple:  we're interested in discussing the
minutiae of the game system, not in endlessly analyzing the books or
dealing with newbies who want to know what the hell "Amber" is.  If
fans of the series want to break away from rec.arts.sf.written, they
can offer their own proposal.  (As a Zelazny fanatic myself, I find
r.a.sf.written a perfectly fine place to discuss the books.)

It's been suggested that we gate the mailing list and the alt.* group,
bidirectionally.  I'm not thrilled by the prospect, but I'll let my SO
worry about what to do with the mailing list :).

[Followups are directed to alt.config.]

--                    __
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  Helena, daughter of Fiona
  (thoroughly enjoying her first real FRP campaign)
Xref: sparky alt.config:8122 alt.folklore.computers:18279 news.groups:24866
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers,news.groups
Subject: Re: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:59:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Dec15.183238.15067@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
 > In article <1992Dec15.122951.6200@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
 > >
 > >
 > >For details, watch for a posting with RESULT and comp.society.folklore
 > >in the Subject line, coming soon to these newsgroups.
 > >
 > >-- 
 > >Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
 > 
 > HOORAY!  WE DID IT!	

There's only one thing worse than a poor loser Joel. 

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Xref: sparky alt.config:8152 alt.folklore.computers:18352
From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 12:12:34 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Keywords: group creation alt

magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:

>May I suggest alt.os.multics, or possibly
>alt.folklore.computers.multics instead? 

Preferably comp.os.multics, but alt.os.multics would do. Actually I've
had this yearning itch to reimplement multics under Mach 3.0 for some
time... Not necessarily for any good reason, just because it'd be so
cool to run multics alongside UNIX and be able to demonstrate once and
for all just _how_ bloated UNIX has become...

+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|          -|-   Zik   -|-          | "A man came up to me and said,        |
|     zik@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au    |  `I'd like to change your mind,       |
|          Michael Saleeba          |   By hitting it with a brick'" - TMBG |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
Xref: sparky alt.config:8143 rec.humor:37042
From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor
Subject: Becker Control Idea
Summary: Well, if the group's gonna be there we can always...
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:54:52 GMT
Organization: Retro Aerospace
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Idea.  Someone put a daemon on the net that looks for becker's
newgroups and sends a newgroup for the group as moderated,
with becker@... as the moderator.  If he wants them that badly,
he can control them, right? 8-)

-george william herbert
gwh@soda.berkeley.edu  gwh@lurnix.com  gwh@retro.com
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:13:23 GMT


In article <BzL5FJ.E3D@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:

> I'm for it.  NY's the second-biggest state in the country, and ny.* and
> alt.great.lakes just don't cut it.

	I thought Alaska and Texas were the 2 largest states in the
country.  Or maybe it was California.

	I agree with Tim that it isn't necessary for this group.

--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.bovines
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: steerage
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 08:19:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.234836.16665@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.211932.817@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>   <request for alt.fan.cows>
>
>in the spirit of usenet i suggest the more general, and less sexist name:
>   alt.fan.bovine (s)
>
>and dontchya think Larson does the best bovine humour around?
>
>     -ken,   \__/
>             |oo|___
>             \==/---
>
>(smiley faces are so much easier for us non-artists... :-)

Good point.  Let me modify this suggestion a little more and suggest that
it be either alt.humor.bovines or alt.humor.cows.  Cow (AND bull, I guess)
HUMOR is what this is about.  (Psst, post some more ASCII cows in this
thread!)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.005233.18060@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:

>Why is alt.culture.oregon okay, alt.culture.alaska okay, alt.culture.(insert  
>region in India) okay, alt.california okay, alt.great-lakes okay,  
>alt.appalachian okay, but alt.culture.ny-upstate isn't?

By this reasoning, they aren't.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:50:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.201805.23546@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
 jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) dribbles:
>Behold some cows.

Would those who put "nyx" (along with "zuma," "feline," and "tygra")
on their Miss Lists run any risk of missing useful or intelligent
articles?  (Portal and PSUVM seem to have had redeeming posters, but I
don't recall seeing much else from nyx....  Fortunately, we're not
short of disk space.  Yet.)

>X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
>+             of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
>+             control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.    

Interesting that there's no mention of Virginians, or other blithering
idiots outside "the Denver community."

Bemused,
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher              news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:41:31 GMT

In article <BzL5FJ.E3D@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
>I'm for it.  NY's the second-biggest state in the country, and ny.* and
>alt.great.lakes just don't cut it.
>
>--Aaron

That's right...sho 'nuff is big.... 2nd biggest ya don't say?  yep that's a
biggie all right...some might even say huge...thanks for 'th info Aaron,
'twas a big help.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:48:25 GMT
Keywords: group creation alt

In article <1hb2q2INN5bn@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes:
> had this yearning itch to reimplement multics under Mach 3.0 for some
> time... Not necessarily for any good reason, just because it'd be so
> cool to run multics alongside UNIX and be able to demonstrate once and
> for all just _how_ bloated UNIX has become...

ANYTHING running under Mach 3.0 is going to be a LOT more bloated than UNIX.
-- 
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  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 27 Dec 1992 20:43:16 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Samit and others,

	I got the impression from your letters that the newsgroup
alt.culture.bengali is *being* pushed. So, here are certain 
clarifying points:

	I am following the suggestions of Christopher Samuel,
( ccs@aber.ac.uk) who maintains the FAQ on the topic and this
FAQ can be accessed from the relevent newsgroups.


	Unlike a soc.* group, an alt.* group can be created by
almost anyone. And alt.* groups need not have a VOTING stage.

	However, since I proposed this group, I plan to have 
referundum 3  weeks after the posting appeared on alt.config
and soc.culture.indian. The three weeks are required for all
interested parties to read the charter and offer their opinions
on the charter, purpose and the name of the group. 

	After 3 weeks I would expect a nutral person with
resources ( preferably someone who has no interest in the
newsgroup or the destruction of it) to keep track of voting.
The voting results will be posted in alt.config, soc.culture.
indian, soc.culture.pakistan and in any other newsgroups of
relevence. The newsgroup CAN STILL be created even if the
newsgroup fails to win support but I would not PUSH for it,
if it fails the vote. And I hope, it will pass.

	After the voting stage ( which will end 2 weeks 
after it is opened) I shall send out the nesgroup control
message.

	This means that Samit and everyone else who think that
A.c.b is not required, have 5 weeks to push their point of view.
Now tell me, am I PUSHING IT?? 

	Now, to those who think that voting is mandatory,
if we are willing to go through all that pain, we  might
as well move this newsgroup to soc.culture.* heirarchy or 
still better soc.lang.bengali, sci.lang.bengali or to
talk.lang.bengali.

	I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might
have in the following 5 weeks.

	I also need volunteers to help me through the voting
process.    

	Lastly, I would recommend that all postings connected
to this newsgroup may also be cross posted in alt.config, so
that a wider range of net populace will have access to it. 
Needless to say, every newsgroup in USENET is open to everyone

Bijoy Sagar
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:34:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <1993Jan3.055022.9340@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Interesting that there's no mention of Virginians, or other blithering
>idiots outside "the Denver community."

However, I think we may be able to take this as a sign that Virginia
Tech has some pretty good standards. If only we could convince PSU to
take note...
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Keywords: hi tim
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:51:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.120610.29983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu 
 (Joel Furr) writes:
>I propose alt.fan.cows. 

Do we have an alt.fan.joel-furr.not-again.not-again.not-again, or has it
been done already?

Joel, you're going to earn this year's Jari Junikka award.  Get a life.

>This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
>Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.

No doubt the University of Denver should assign more homework.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: New newsgroup proposal: alt.comedy.standup
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:48:59 GMT

I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called  
alt.comedy.standup.  This group would be the place to discuss standup  
comedy, standup comedians and standup comedy routines.  Discussion for  
comedians who now no longer do standup (either at all or as their  
entire act).

I feel that the group should exist because I think that there is  
suitable interest in standup comedy yet there is no suitable place in  
which to discuss it.

I prefer the "alt" hierarchy to one of the mainstream hierarchies  
because while I think that people discuss the subject, I don't think  
it's as discussed as topics in the "rec" hierarchy (where this subject  
would probably go were it to appear there).  However, should this  
group's popularity expand to prove me wrong, so be it.

Thanks,
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.dune or Frank Herbert?
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <BzwABF.3or@feenix.metronet.com> jbh@feenix.metronet.com (Justin B Harvey) writes:

>Is anyone interested in starting an alt.fan.dune or an alt.fan.frank-herbert.
>Frank Herbert is the author of the world best selling Dune series, and
>the book "Dune" was featured in a movie a couple years ago.

There is plenty of room for a discussion about the Dune series in
rec.arts.sf.written. Why not start one and see if if generates enough
traffic to justify a separate newsgroup all for itself?

-Geoff
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d