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From: Richard.J.Polits@tek.com (Dick Polits)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Safety during change
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:19:36 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Computer Graphics Group

In article <1992Nov10.130854.9308@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:
>From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
>Subject: Re: Safety during change
>Date: 10 Nov 92 18:08:54 GMT
>In article <Richard.J.Polits.26.721391291@tek.com>, Richard.J.Polits@tek.com (Richard J. Polits) writes:
>[...]
>> His prophecies cover a wide range of 
>> subjects such as the economy, earthquakes, volcanoes, phenomena, weather, 
>> and other happenings around the world.  His published predictions (in 
>> advance) about the location and magnitude of earthquakes, and his recent 
>> prediction of Hurricane Andrew, really blew me away.  
>[...]
>> But, I saw him hit some major events right on the nose.  
>
>I would be interested in the references to these predictions.
>
>GXKambic
>sd

Here are two examples from the July 25, 1992 issue:
                                          
1.  [Under the topic: Florida Hurricane Prophecies Updates] ...The first 
hurricane will cross the Bahamas at approximately 27 degrees latitude, 
slamming into Florida's east coast. It will then hug the Florida's coast as 
it moves north, past Savannal, causing damage to the East Coast...it will be 
the largest recorded in Florida's history, with winds, at times, exceeding 
150 miles per hour. This one is to occur between Aug 15th and Sept 27, 
1992.

On August 24, 1992 Hurricane Andrew crossed the Bahamas hitting Florida's 
southern coast with 150 mph winds.  Generally, an amazing "hit" 
even though some parts of the prophecy were a miss.

2.  [Under the topic: Volcanoes Become Active] ...The areas to watch now are 
the Cascades, Alaska -- should be watched in August for activity...

On August 18, 1992 Mt. Spur erupts in Alaska.

So, if you want to monitor Earth Changes, the Earth Changes Report 
provides interesting reading.

Dick
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Internet: Richard.J.Polits@tek.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 06:22:34 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
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Dear Folks: Let me state that Donald Long does not make a practice
of dealing with a person like myself. He prefers to associate with
conventional people from NASA.
John Winston
From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: discovery of Sedona Sept 92 article...
Summary: Spiritual Sovereignty
Keywords: channeled
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:43:12 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm


	I have been working my way back through old issues of Sedona
Journal of Emergence, and found an article in the September issue 
by the same Lyssa Royal (channels Germane) that channeled the Fourth
Density Relationships article.... The title of the article is 
	Spiritual Sovereignty 
It outlines the ways that we give up our power to others, and to 
the ideals and institutions that we maintain in our society. It is
very interesting and thought provoking. Light Technology does sell
old issues but one would have to inquire as to the specific cost. 
I do not plan on scanning and posting this to the net, so you are 
on your own, but I will include the address and such for ordering 
at the bottom of this post.

Happy seeking and network hugs to all...

Karen.

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	SEDONA Journal of EMERGENCE
Published by:	Light Technology
		P.O. Box 1495
		Sedona, AZ  86336
		(602) 282-6523
		(602) 282-4130 FAX
Subscription rate: $33.00 for 12 issues.
Airmail: Overseas $94, Canada $64 
Surface: Overseas & Canada $40
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From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.scientology,alt.magnus.and.ketil
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:19:07 GMT
	<Bx85tw.73H@world.std.com>
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN

>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:01:07 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) said:

	Kibo> Winston is going to start following me around?  And
	Kibo> should I buy a whole metric wardrobe?  And what's with
	Kibo> Perot never blinking?  Is he a Scientologist?

Hmm, Hannibal the Cannibal never blinks either - does that mean he's
running for president..?

-Magnus
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: an101@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Really?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:11:41 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.081055.3753@news.unomaha.edu>, phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu
(Shannon Chris Saltzman) writes:

> Perhaps you did not look in the"holy pages" under covenants.
> God made and agreement with us.
> In jewish times he was with us through the arc of the covenant.
> When Jesus died he no longer was just with us,he came to live inside
> us.
> This is what My bible says.If yours reads differently then maybe we
> should get together and see which is right.

You know, I wish all of you deranged christians would get a life and go
annoy someone else.

At least, take this drivel and place it elsewhere.  

Nero was right -- we should feed the christians to the lions.  (Of course,
that would be cruel to the innocent lions!)

Why not start your own news group, like talk.religion.nonsense?
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From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Physical Forms, Proselytizing (was Re: Murari-Sevaka News)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:11:20 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Kalki writes:

>  It is therefore incorrect to say the Krishna "comes and inhabits" His
>deity form. He is eternally inhabiting everything and does not need to
>"come" anywhere. Rather, it is we who need to learn how to see Him. 

Thank you for the clarification.

I would then question why ISKCON uses statues in their worship.  If
G-d is in everything (or better everything is, at some level, an
expression of G-d) why not worship the Nameless and Formless in deed,
words, and thought instead of serving delicacies to a human-formed
statute, adorning it with flowers and jewels, and offering devotions
to it?

> ... This
>is possible through Bhakti-yoga, or loving devotional service to the
>Lord. Bhakti-yoga is thoroughly explained in "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" by
>A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

It is also possible via many other forms of action, worship, and
devotion.  This is one principle with which most New Agers and Jews
would agree.


One thing which doesn't belong on t.r.na is proselytizing.  The
religion of the proselytizer is unimportant.  In a newsgroup that
promotes diverse spiritual paths, proselytizing for any "One True Way"
is perceived as rudeness.  I doubt you'd want us to be left with the
impression that ISKCON sanctions public rudeness.

There is a newsgroup for Eastern religions (soc.religion.eastern).
Why not continue there and leave us be?

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: Mayan Calendar Information Needed
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:19:48 GMT

vmg@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Mendoza-Grado) writes:
> Anybody can shed some light on the supposed relation between the
> Maya calendar and Harmonic Convergence?
So far as I know the Harmonic Convergence is the brainchild of Jose
Arguelles, who was an art historian before he invented "neo-Mayan
science" - by which I mean his exposition of what the (Classical?) Mayans
*really* thought the universe was about. _The_Mayan_Factor_, which was
printed in 1986, is the book which popularized his ideas and led to the
Harmonic Convergence. HC was supposed to initiate a 5-year period of
tumultuous change involving the collapse of governments and scientific
paradigms, culminating in the Time Shift of July 26, 1992, which according
to a flyer I saw in January 1992 was to bring about a new world of
"telepathy, synchronicity, and unconditional love". (I gather that this
"shift" was perceived only by "those in the know"!) I think about a month
ago someone posted some information on this group about the "Dreamspell"
package which you can buy through the mail from Arguelles' association;
presumably it explains all of this in more detail.
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: NEW AGE RENAISSANCE FAIR - 11th Annual
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:18:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

I was thinking of going to the fair, but I don't like to drive around
in downtown San Jose.  If anyone lives nearby (I live in Saratoga) and
wants to take me, I'll pay for the parking charges in the downtown area.
There's also a used bookstore in that area I'd like to visit if you're
agreeable, but I can easily skip that.

So if you might want to take me along to the fair, let me know when
you're planning to attend.  I'd prefer to go Saturday morning, but
I'm flexible.  My phone number is (408) 867-5477.
From: viper1@bu.edu (Kurt Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: what the hell
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:47:50 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



now that I have your boot sticking out of the side of 
my head,

      could you enlighten me?

 I'm finding it difficult to draw a connection between
jim baker and our furry imaginal friend!!!!!!!!!!!!



Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: ISKON overzealousness.
Keywords: ISKON overzealousness.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:42:58 GMT



First smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:

> Unless you are looking to be another anecdote, perhaps called "the
> overzealous disciple," back off.  I don't know if Srila Prabhupad ever wrote 
> down, but my friend told me that He warned against the overzealous
> devotee who thinks he's really doing good... in fact he even gave it
> a Sanskrit name (the phase of bhakti development), tho I can't remember
> what it was offhand.
> 
> If you wish to do something positive for Krishna Consciousness, then please,
> Love God with All your Heart, All your Thought, and All your Soul, and let
> that powerful radiance speak for your spiritual development.  All this
> harping is only adding to the somewhat tarnished vision that most people alre
> carry about ISKON.


Then you (Kalki Dasa) wrote:

What are you talking about?
What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?
What "fantasy pundit world"?
Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa



I (William Tucker) wonder:

If you pay attention to what's going on around you. If your purpose is to aid
ISKON you're failing miserably. If you're trying to get even with them for
some reason, congratulations. If I remember correctly ISKON was prohibited from
going to airports and proselityzing for displaying the very behavior that you
seem so proud of. In fact I've found many "regular" people shy away from 
discussion of "eastern" ideas because of the bad publicity that overzealous
followers of ISKON have created. Would your superiors be pleased with your
behavior and the response? Do you care, or do you only have a personal agenda,
to get attention while claiming that it's to further ISKON's cause? Are you
capable of reflection? Just curious.


Wm T.


.standard disclaimer
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Recent flame fest
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:57:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov7.071602.15786@u.washington.edu>, pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes:
> 
> Personally Steve, I was pretty disappointed in seeing you engage in a
> flame war which does nothing but perpetrate the disagreements on both

(By the way, this is not steve responding to this, but Lorenzo)

It seems that several of us, especially me, got carried away in our
rebuttals to Kalki. I apologize to anyone in the group I may have
offended this way. For the most part, I restricted myself to direct
rebuttals to Kalki's statements, so that other spiritual seekers would
not be turned off to the messages of Hinduism because of Kalki's
strident approach.

That last bit about the 'Spiritual IQ' was a little too much for me,
the last straw, so to speak. This is supposed to be a forum for the
open exchange of views, not a pulpit from which to heave dogma. If
your first inclination when you read something in this group is 'My
goodness, they are so lost, I must lead them to the true omnipotent
bean!' then I recommend you proceed with caution, because I think many
of the people who post to this group already have a more negative than
positive experience with established religions.  

I have seen people who have a high state of awareness, and are actively
involved in an established religion. But, unfortunately, these are very
much the exception. For most people, based on what I have seen organized
religion is another aspect of a robotic existence which helps perpetuate
their own pain and the pain of all those around them, at best. At worst,
they engage in tribal warfare, where if you don't belong, you are not
really human, anyway, and anything we do to you is thus permissible.
It's okay if I insult you, it's okay if I call you an ignoramus, because
you don't subscribe to True Scriptures Magazine (TM).

This is not meant to be a defense of my behavior, more of an
explanation. It may indicate to the dogmatists that periodically fill
bandwidth here why they sometimes get such heavy resistance.  If I
rebutt so vehemently, it is not because I bear any malice to any poster.
Quite the contrary. I (quite futilely, I might add) try to open a
dialogue. On honest dialogue means, among other things, that if someone
posts something I perceive as insulting, I will let them know that in no
uncertain terms.  

That's all for this whispered rant.

		ciao,
			Lorenzo
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by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
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From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: myopia and spirituality
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:44:47 EST

In article <Nov.9.12.56.59.1992.20293@athos.rutgers.edu>, kish@athos.rutgers.edu (Bill Kish) writes:
[...]
> You have to somehow learn to give
> up control of you-and-your-world in order to allow something more
> expansive and panoramic to take place, but yet you have to retain
> enough critical intelligence to prevent tragic consequences.  Easy, 
> right ?  Right. :)
> 
> 	Sorry if this message is something of a downer.  I just don't 
> think there are any easy answers here, and yet it strikes to the core
> of any spiritual quest - "why am I doing this ?"  

Hmmmm...

IMHO, it's called skepticism.  All that it has to offer is insecurity and a way
to search out the unknown.  As readers know, I am skeptical of  much that is
discussed here, but most of the time I try to do my best to MYOB (Mind my own
business) and just read for fun.  This is *not*  an attempt to begin a
discussion of skepticism in t.r.na.  

GXKambic
sd

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:30:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I believe you will find that not all space people hold to 
the rule of slowing down when they get so close to a planet. Some of 
them speed up when they get away from the planets of a system. I know 
of a group of space people from the planet Legart in the constellation
Lebra who can go a little over 4 light year an hour. Please ask Don
Showen how fast the people from the Pleides can go. I believe you will
find they can really move on.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Really?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:10:55 GMT

Really? There is no God in present times?
And where did you get your facts? Couldnt look him up on the network?
Get serious.
You cannot find him in the yellow pages(or in the white pages for that matter)
You will probably not find him lying on a park bench somewhere(if you do
give him something to eat and tell him to lay off the whiskey)
Ross Perot cant find him with his detectives.
But that means he isnt there?
You cant find me either.I am listed at a certain adress but thats been change-
d. You can look on the citys park bench(if you do give me something to eat
and tell me to lay off the whiskey)
You WILL NOT find me in the yellow or white pages!!!
So with your limited (no more than anyone elses) senses you claim to know
if God is present.
Perhaps you did not look in the"holy pages" under covenants.
God made and agreement with us.
In jewish times he was with us through the arc of the covenant.
When Jesus died he no longer was just with us,he came to live inside
us.
This is what My bible says.If yours reads differently then maybe we
should get together and see which is right.
It is my belief that God is within us now. The Bible also says that
Jesus knocks and if we answer he will come into our lives and NEVER
leave. Maybe you dont call that a calling.
Sorry to disillusion you with my opinions but maybe you need to be
woken up if you think that you are alone spiritually.
I believe Jesus is alive now and working even in your life and if
you listen hard enough(dont hurt yourself) you will here him knock.
If you are half the philosopher you appear to be God can use that to
his advantage and if you arent he can use you anyway.
If you want to believe you are so unimportant to God that he would leave
you on this rock alone thats fine.I understand but dont spoil it for
the rest of us okay?
Mr Shannon Saltzman(see articles before for text)
-- 
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
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From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:06:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Robert Firth writes:

>Um... Len, if personhood and gender are serious constraints, why isn't
>"unity without even the possibility of duality" an equally serious
>constraint?
>
>They both sound like finite human projections onto the infinite.

Good question.  Why not ask it over on soc.culture.jewish?  You might
get a lively discussion going over there.

The short answer is that we really can't attribute *any*
characteristics to G-d.  All that we can do is to use human metaphor
to describe and refer to G-d to the extent of our limited, finite
abilities.  Jews are guided in this effort by the Torah, which we
believe was a gift from G-d.  

When we use human metaphor we have to be extremely careful not to
mistake the our conceptions for G-d.  For example, despite the
numerous anthropomorphic references to G-d in the Torah, Jews would
never say (as Kalki does) that G-d is a person.

By the way, can you conceive of a simple Unity with no constituent
components, that is omniscient, omnipotent, and completely
unconstrained by circumstances of time and space?  I can't.  I don't
see any limits or constraints in that description, though a
description it remains.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Rain
Keywords: NOT
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:15:34 GMT
Followup-To: The absolute truth debate
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA


There is no absolute truth.

Sorry for the shock, but I thought you'd like to know.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 21:37:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <68961@cup.portal.com>

Dear Pyramid Watchers: I just got through seeing a TV show called
This Old Pyramid by Nova. I highly recommend it. It shows how a person
built a small pyramid in the same way they believe the Great Pyramid 
of Egypt was built.
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 06:16:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <68958@cup.portal.com>

Dear Thinkers not Stinkers: I just woke up thinking about Bigfoot (some
people say they are real stinkers). To see something that is going
at such a high freq. that you can't see it with you physical eyes
all you have to do is projected a strobe light on it in the dark at 
a freq. that can be seen by the human eye (say 20 cycles per
second) and you would be able to see it. This should work for looking
at Bigfoot when he is the cloaking mode, ghost and what have you. Be
sure and don't use high entensity light on a ghost because it scrambles
their nerves and makes them mad at you. Say, this discussion sounds
a little like the movie Ghost Busters.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Pee Wee's Pyramid
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:48:15 GMT

Mike Lynch[writes]

>stuff deleted


>I saw the first half of the project.  I didn't see the end, so I don't
know
>if he was successful.

For the most part, he was. I wish that they had more time & could have
tried to make the internal chambers as well. Very interesting show, but
again, WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH AAV??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!


Rod



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