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From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: Chinese Leaders (Re: Jiang Zeming's Funny Slogan.)
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 06:18:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.210100.13166@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>
>In article <C06K6w.J39@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> Reading Editorial People's Daily on New Year give me some
>> funny feeling. Obviously, the following underlined words
>> were from Jiang Zeming sometimes ago. It recalls me that this
>> man once asked his son to stay in America and not to return
>> China when he was still in Shainghai.
>> 
>> BTW, I am still in favor of the first part of the sentence.
>> 
>> From CND News:
>> 
>> "In 1993, China should give stress to both economic development and
>> building of socialist culture and ethics, educate the people, especially
>> the youth, in line with the Party's basic line (of) patriotism,
>>   	   ----------------------------------------------------
>> collectivism and socialism," the People's Daily editorial said.
>> ---------------------------
>	I like leaders who have common sense, fear, and ordinary value
>as you and me have. Otherwise, how dangerous are they! China doesn't 
>need crazy leaders or supermen, we need sensitive leaders. 

Yes. I agree!!

>I don't like
>the way you comment because you don't know what you are talking about,
>and you forget "Ji3 Shuo3 Bu2 Yu4, Wu4 Si1 Yu3 Ren2".
>

But, I think Xlli was arguing that the leader of a nation should show
consistance in leadership. It is just not right if a leader politician
tells his own children privately what to do but, publicly, ask the youth of 
the nation to do something quite different. Therefore, I
think your comment above should have been addressed to JiangZheming and
telling him "Ji Shuo Bu Yu, Wu Si Yu Ren"!
-- 

Luo Wang                       |     "No one is a hero in his own nation." |
Phone: 61 03 260 841           |                                           |
       61 03 265 053           |      Sir General John Monash              |
From: 75230.1437@CompuServe.COM (I.I.S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS ONLY
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:02:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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From: liu@vision.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Yong Liu)
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:32:41 GMT

In article <3989@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang) writes:
|> A very interesting picture ( 4 parts ) is posted.  You may
|> guess what the title is.  After you see the picture, I will
|> tell you where I got it and what its name is.

|> Zhang YaoEn

-- 
The picture appears not so great, particularly its quality, if compared with
those in alt.binary.pictures... group. 
=============================================================================
John Liu 
Department of Electrical Engineering
Queen's University                       Phone:  (613)545-6693
Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6        Email:  liu@sound.ee.queensu.ca
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: About the latest China launched satillite
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:55:03 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Just got a message from China that US side admitted that it was 
their fault which caused the loss of the satillite.

Rgds.

F. Wang
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From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: Looking for Zhu,zaofeng
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:07:47 GMT

In article <1innm0INNqnp@aurora.LaTech.edu> yin@engr.latech.edu writes:
>Summary: 
>Keywords: 
Test!!!

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From: sdcadm@longhorn.corp.sun.com (SDC Administrator)
Subject: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:07:10 GMT


 
 
Toycott Update 1/4/93
----------------------------
Linda Pfeifer
 
 
* As of 12/92, over 2,000 signatures for
  the Toycott and conditional MFN had been
  mailed to Toycott Headquarters in D.C.
 
* Children Express, a children-run newspaper
  based in New York, is doing a special piece
  on the Toycott. (I think it is particularly
  important for American children to get involved
  in this campaign.)
 
* The 12/20 Toycott Rally in front of San Francisco's
  Toys "R" Us was a success. 12 Tibetans leafleted and
  collected 50+ signatures.  We didn't get press
  because the press was covering that small earthquake
  that went off, but we reached a lot of consumers
  before the holiday! :)
 
* A toy store in New York, "Emily's Toy Box",
  has pledged not to carry any toys made in China.
  Owner Edna Litten says, "I had been considering
  not carrying things made in China because it
  just seemed wrong; and then I found out about
  the Toycott and it was, like, wow - someone's
  doing something."
 
  Edna commented that at the last toy fair she
  attended, some people had "Not Made in China"
  signs displayed.

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From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Mongolia
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:48 GMT

In article <C083D0.1u8@unix.portal.com>, becker@shell.portal.com (CELIA TONY BECKER) writes:
|> 
|> >>Recall that it was the Chinese government's murder of Genghis Khan's
|> >>father that prompted him to take over China.

... and slaughtered countless chinese in the process. That (probably) prompted
five chinese on the net to deny mongolia independence, and that in turn prompted
a mongolian (decendent?) to recall the death of Ghengis's father... anything
left to say?

|> I studied under Professors Farmer, Poor, 
|> Wright, Kopf, Taylor, etc... Nixon didn't appreciate the efforts of we
|> Concerned Asian Scholars to end the Vietnam war...

Never heard of them (except Nixon). Shall we recall that it was Viet Cong's
attack in gulf of tonkin that prompted US to bomb North Vietnam?

'Anyone can see the reason, but it takes a historian to find the excuse'
From: jpenner@unixg.ubc.ca (Janice Penner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: JOB OPTUNITIES IN JAPAN!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:20:20 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <C0M51D.6H5@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umsui000@news.cc.umanitoba.ca (Shi Xiang Sui) writes:

>Are you interested in teaching English in Japan to make US$40,000 to
         
>$60,000 per year?  A comprehensive yet concise booklet [rest deleted]
 
The news in the Teaching English as a Foreign Language world is that Japan
has a glut of EFL teachers. If you are interested in this field I suggest
that you first take a class or two and volunteer tutoring at home. Then
think about going overseas.
From: zhao@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kang Zhao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:52:43 GMT
Reply-To: zhao@schaefer.UUCP (Kang Zhao)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

>
>I am against both Qi Gong and Yan Xin. I perceive some dishonesty
>in it. I cannot tolerate dishonesty in science. That is part of
>my education. If I read any paper written like Yan Xin's "lecture",
>I have to throw it into garbage can. If all scientists behave in this
>way, I would quit my job immediately and apply to work as a garbage
>collector :-). This is not kidding. I don't see any fun to lie.
>
>
>

Assuming you are a honest person, your post has made me believe that you
have proved that Yan Xin is a liar. Haven't you? If you only have doubts,
please do not jump into you negative conclusion too fast. 
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From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Toycott?
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.155255.23838@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
|> 
|> I didn't see an explanation of what the "Toycott" is about?  Would someone
|> please provide me with one.
|> 

Toycott: boycott toys made in China. The following are reasons for such move.

1) China uses prisoners to make toys.
It was reported that political prisoner JiangQing was forced to make dolls.

2) Child labor is used to make toys.
Some shrewed ones picked up this line and established an education fund for
Chinese kids and ask people to donate toy money to that fund.

3) Bad economy will hasten the down fall of Chinese communist government.
Some Chinese dissidents are afraid that they will be too senile to run for
election in a democratic China.

4) Santa's toy factory is in finacial trouble.
Imports take away American's job, but it's more politically correct to
toycott than winecott.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during CR
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:21:46 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <1ishu5INNs9b@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>>
>>>I think the real problem is that all people went crazy during CR, and
>> Secondly, even in cities and schools, fighters are still
>>minority. They were encouraged by Mao to fight and no one could stop
>>them. The last but not the least, even if what you think were true,
>>WHO MADE THEM CRAZY?
>>
You have answered your own question in your statements. Why the minority
in the 1.1 billion of Chinese people could have done such a huge damage?

>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals, and Chinese culture
>>has their(our) own weakness, so that Mao and fighters could commit
>>such crimes. 
>
Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals studied/are studying 
overseas are responsibile for, major part if not all, letting the minority 
takings hands on destruction. Why there was no single voice out loud 
against the red guards? Afterwards, only blamed on four gangs, was that 
the real problem cause? 



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From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Religious conflict in India
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:23:37 GMT

Ref: Dim Soon Lien comments of Budhism & China		

Perhaps Lord Budha should come back to India and bring peace
and harmony to the people of the sub-continent. Did you know
the biggest monolithic statue of the Budha is located in Afghanistan.
J.Singh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Need detailed instructions for making rice wine
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:41:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <wangf.726180568@unixg.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>1. Put the rice into cold water for 24 hour;
>2. Spreaded it on a piece of cloth;
>3. Steamed it for 30 min. (maybe too long);
>4. Rinsed the rice with cold water till it was about 30C;
>5. Mixed the rice with the yeast (bought from the China Town) completely.
>6. Left the rice in an oven (around 30C I believe) for 24 hours.

1. Choose sticky rice; 2. Steam/cook to just barely eatable; 3. Stir to
make it loose and let it completely cool.  It is important not
contaminate it.  Chopstick/pot used must oil-free.  I wouldn't use cold
water (back in China).  5. Mix with yeast, cover it and put it into a
warm place; 6. Don't open the cover often, use your nose instead to find if it
is ready.  Some people will put some water the next day.

Eat it raw if it is good. Otherwise cook it with tang1 yuan2 :-)

Now anyone have tried successfully on making cheese cake and french fry?

-- 
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directory /pub/incoming.  With it, you can post in Chinese too.
From: chen@naspac.tc.faa.gov (John Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for friend
Summary: Is anyone know Xiao-Gang Ye
Keywords: looking lost friend
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:15:51 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.faa.gov

Does anyone know where is Xiao-Gang Ye now. Who is a piano composer in china
and came to USA around 1987 attending in Julliard music college in NY. 
Anyone knows the information please gives me a E-mail at chen@naspac.tc.faa.gov.
Thanks very much. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Qi Gong experiment from QingHua Univ., Beijing
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:33:20 GMT

In article <SOSC1069.93Jan3234058@highway.yorku.ca> sosc1069@highway.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:

>A group of professionals at QingHua Univ. has conducted an experiment
>about exceptional abilities (te4 yi4 gong1 neng2).
>
>There is a vedio showing that a special person can drag iron wire from
>a sealed glass bottle without breaking it.  Is this believable?

This is the worst part. If it is a scientific finding, it should be
verifiable, repeatable regardless of place. If it is a performance
of a magician, it should be declared. The basic question is: Are
these Chinese honest? Honesty is the most impotant thing in science.
Without honesty, there is no science.

A vidoe tape? Look at Holywood movies. Anything you iamgine can be shot.
But that is not science, you may call it art or whatever. With my
SPARC station, I can already show you things you never dreamed of.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:34:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.004245.21496@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>Is qigong a religion? I don't think so. At least it does not have the major
>element of any religion - a theory about after life. Just because some 
>religious-prone people craze about it won't make it a religion.

If these Qi Gong masters claimed Qi Gong as religion, I wouldn't
care. In fact, if Qi Gong claims to be whatever they want to call,
I wouldn't care either. I wouldn't care how much money Yan Xin
makes. I guess people who put ad in World Journal to sell XXX
video and magzines can also make money :-). Who cares.

But Yan Xin is making money in the name of science. Historically some
scientists did make a lot of money such as the inventors of X-ray
and telephone. They were honest people, at least in the work they
did (that is suffcient). But I think Yan Xin is dishonest, and 
intentionally dishonest. I think science will become corruptive
if one allows dishonesty to exist in the name of science.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Keywords: Terrible conclusion
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:09:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University

In article <C0KAM2.x4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
>In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted)
>This is because the farmers had went crazy a few years before CR, and
>suffered for it.

Agreed. Even more, I guess even Mao took some lessons.

>(Okay, only A FEW farmers were REALLY crazy but the
>rest of them were dragged into the craziness anyway.)

That is the point. The A FEW should take the responsibility and blame,
because the silent majority had no choice. I know several farmers
became "counter-revolutionary" only because they had very mild complaint
in 1958.

>By the time of 
>CR, most farmers (who survived the earlier craziness, that is) had seen 
>through CCP's painted skins.

It was very different in cities and in countryside. In my school, a student
was beaten badly only because he sit on a newspaper which had a Mao's portrait
on it. In countryside, farmers used pages of Mao-Xuan to roll cigarettes
almost at the same time:-) because MaoXuan was free:-)

>CR was a big disaster for city folks, intellectuals, and CCP big shots,
>but the real disaster for farmers were "communization" and "3-year
>disasters".

Well, and later "Cut Capitalist tail and Learn from DaZai". In 1976,
countryside economy of Sichuan was very close to 1959-1960.

>Ever since I was a kid I was constantly told of the horror
>stories of this period (yes, including cannibalism).

Yes, there were similar stories in Chengdu also, but usually no checkable
3W. In a village I was familar with, half of population were starved to
death in 1960-1962 (LianHe Commune, HuaXi DaDuei, 1st Xiao Dui). No
cannibalism there. What moved me was that: all young guys died, only
old people and children survived. Chinese people are too tolerate and
too responsible to be cannibalists in general.

>At first I thought
>those were the same sort of horror stories told in school text books
>(about the KMT era). By the time of Junior High most kids probably 
>have figured out.  [You may have noticed that your college classmates 
>from the countryside generally tended to be more "reactionary" and less
>enthusiastic about CCP's tricks, especially when comparing to city
>kids who have not suffered through "going up the mountains and down
>to the villages".]
>
> Ya-Gui Wei

Right, GaoGan's kids are much easier to become fighters:-) This is a
pattern in China since the end of the last century.
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From: anon.121@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: CCP is China's hope
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:06:15 +1030
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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CCP is China's hope.

This is the truth - like it or not.
It will ends only in the hands of itself - 
no outside power can bring it to an end.

IFCSS and D-fighters are nothing but a bad, mad, sad story.

+--------------------------------------------+
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+--------------------------------------------+

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From: jren@alfred.carleton.ca (Junshan Ren)
Subject: Ftp sites wanted: electronic books
Keywords: Ftp sites,electronic books
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:50:54 GMT

Hi,
I heard there are some electronic books on the computer networks but
do not know the ftp sites of those books. Anyone who can provide some
Ftp sites to me will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Keywords: Qi Gong
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 08:07:05 GMT

In article <C0D423.I9K@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <C0Cy58.HAv@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>>In article <C0Cr3C.54H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
>>
>>>  It is unfortunate that a student association in Indiana was
>>>willing to sponsor Yan's talk. If he wants to talk, let his
>>>fan clubs sponsor it. Student associations representing junior
>>>scientists and to-be engineers should think twice before
>>>sponsoring pseudo-science.
>>
>>	Well, I guess it depends on how much interest is there in the
>>members of the said associations.  It is similar in sponsoring
>>someone to make a political speech.  (Yeah, I have heard much 
>>more pseudo-science in those speeches than Yan Xin could put into
>>his talk.)
>
>It is my speculation that LYHs sponsore Yan Xin to substitute
>Li Yanjie and Qu Xiao. In my judgement, these people are similar
>liars. Yan Xin became popular after 6/4. He was successful in
>drawing attention of the public (he bragged that each of his
>lecture had tens of thousands of audience). At least, the

Yan Xin was very popular even before 1988.  I attended one of his
lecturer in 1987 and I still keep one copy of the journal published 
in Feb. 1988 specially for his lecturer and his QiGong experiments.  
Totally six articles about his experiments with his name at the last.
The experimentists came from 1) positive and negative electron colliding
office, China; 2)Departments of Chemistry, Physics and Biological
Sciences & Technology, QinHua U.; 3) Yan Xin.  11 persons ever attended his
experiments.   The experiments covered the effects on polarzation of laser
beam, spectrum of molecules involving water, liquid crystals and fat,
etc.   The results show very clearly the effects from QiGong.
 


J Su

>government could think that his lies were equally effective
>as Li Yanjie and Qu Xiao. Remember Qian Xuesheng was doing the
>research of "system control" (he was to write a computer program
>to simulate the communist system, using Monte Carlo method :-, some 
>people told me). So Qian supported him. This is of course a conjecture, 
>unproven, so don't call it science :-).
>
>Since he was successful in China, his next mission is oversea.
>That is why you guy get free ride. Did you pay to subscribe
>People's Daily and Li Yanjie-Qu Xiao's lecture?
>


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