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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:58:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.200939.27127@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <18356@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
>Rowley) writes:
>>Financial analysis shows that gay men have more disposable
>>income than their strayt peers.

>This is an often-repeated remark.  I've seen it used by
>those opposed to us.  I've never seen the evidence used to
>support the claim.  Anyone have a pointer to solid research?
>(The _Advocate_ probably won't do.)

Also, be sure the research only compares two-income gay male couples to
two-income straight couples, with appropriate adjustment to account for
the likelihood of sexism in the woman's salary. Also, make sure that the
research isn't comparing couples with children to childless couples. Plus,
make sure the research isn't comparing blue collar to white collar folks.
Finally, make sure the research includes lesbian couples, to check if the
gay men earn more because they're homosexual or because they're *male*.

-jenneke, who thinks the factoid beneath the rumor is that men earn more than
	women do, so of course two men earn more than a woman and a man (who
	earn more than two women).

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:02:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.102752.10267@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>[all you anti Star Trek folks stop reading now]
>
>In article <1993Jan19.032240.2176@iisat.alt.ns.ca> crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca writes:
>>In last weekend's episode of Deep Space Nine (that is to say, the 
>>second episode ever), did anyone remark on the portrayal of the 
>>shifty Kardassian clothier? 
>
>Are you referring to the two scenes where the Kardassian is getting to
>know the doctor carrier, keeps talking really *to* him, touching him
>on the shoulder, etc? There was certainly some erotic tension in the
>scene, although the fact  that he was playing spy games later could
>overemphasize his friendliness.
>
>I've heard rumours, though, that the doctor character is going to be
>our gay character on the show. I certainly hope it's not true - his
>character is quite revolting. I'd rather he was killed in a freak
>human waste expulsion device accident.

No, the doctor isn't gay. He is a bit of a puppy dog in his "GOSH! ISN'T 
SPACE GREAT!" attitude.  He's been hitting on Jadzia Dax, the Trill/Woman
though.  I don't feel there's any tension (erotic or otherwise) in that 
relationship. I'm wondering what the writers are going to do with the 
Benjamin Sisko/Jadzia Dax relationship. Sisko was very very good friends with 
Dax when she was a he.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:34:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.200150.16444@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>>    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
>>    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
>>    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>    will change that."
>
>I'm missing something. Does she expect Clinton to call her parents and
>talk to them? Maybe invite her parents to a party without telling them
>that Ms. Henry would be coming as well, and force a confrontation? If
>not, how does she expect a different president to change her parents's
>minds?

No. What she needs is a different long distance  phone company. 
It seems that Lesbian has kept her incommunicated!
>
>-- 
>Andrew Solovay    
>

AAP
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:13:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.063257.23393@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.085755.15347@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:

[etc.]

> What happened, Owen?  Didn't take your happy pill today?
> My, my, this conversion of yours was short lived and shallow.

[etc.]

Well, I don't blame you, Steve, but for a moment there I was hoping
that we had all carefully averted our faces from Owen's unpalatable
little display.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Personal losses in CO 2
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:48:57 GMT

In article <C1928z.K1w@fc.hp.com> jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958) writes:
>	I  talked  to my  parents  somtime  in Dec.  They  asked  what I
>	thought  about the  boycott.  I told  them I had mixed  feelings
>	since I was  caught in the  middle and all.  My dad  decided  to
>	tell me EXACTLY  what  rights he thought  gays  should NOT have.

I came out to my mother in 1979 and went through something
similar.  She was hurt and outraged, which led to my being
hurt and outraged, and the whole thing degenerated into a
shouting match about Eleanor Roosevelt.  (That this happened
in a very small car at the beginning of an 8-hour drive
between New York and Virginia really didn't help very much).

We remained alienated, with occasional telephone contact,
for several years.  I can't say that she ever fully got
used to the idea, but as her concern has faded behind the
more immediate and pressing events in both our lives and
we've become rather close.  This past Christmas was the
first time since 1979 that she's actually talked about it
in a way that indicated that it isn't causing her strife,
and overall things between us are pretty good.  It took a
long, long time, though.

It's possible, even likely, that you and your parents can
come to terms.  It's been said here before, however, and it
bears repeating that the safest thing is to develop a
strong sense of self and of self-worth.  Whether or not the
rift closes, you come away with something very worthwhile.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:59:14 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.102752.10267@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> I've heard rumours, though, that the doctor character is going to be
>> our gay character on the show. I certainly hope it's not true - his
>> character is quite revolting. I'd rather he was killed in a freak
>> human waste expulsion device accident.

>Geez, I thought the doctor was kinda cute. Oh naive, sure. But who says
>that can't be charming bytimes?


>-- 
>Kevin Crombie		Public Access Unix
>UUCP:  {dalcs,ulowell}!iisat!crombie


I agree that Siddig El Faddil is VERY cute.  I think he was even more
appealing with the long beard he had when he played T.E. Lawrence's male
lover (the name escapes me) in the PBS show "Lawrence After Arabia".  It
was on about 6-8 months ago, I think.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:41:51 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

ptb@meaddata.com (Patrick Bell) writes:
>If you knew you were HIV- and you knew your sex partner (lover, fuck buddy,
>tearoom trick, whatever) was HIV+ and he wanted you to suck his cock w/o
>a condom, would you?

You are putting this as a hypothetical question. It is not to me.

Although the person in question didn't tell me he was HIV+, his
life-history indicated to me that it would be a miracle right up there
with the water-walking thing if he was seronegative.

Yes, I did suck him. Based on the info I get here in Amsterdam -
very much like the info in Denamark and the German-speaking contingent,
I don't think I was that much of a fool.

>Now add a twist, if his cock was dripping pre-cum, would you?

What happens over here is that people spit. You know, suck, suck, spit,
lick, suck, suck, spit, etc.

>And I mean put it in your mouth!  None of this lick-around-the-balls
stuff.

Honey, I may not be a pro, but I know what they like. Give em the full
show.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence and Re: Starting Trouble: Homophobia at MIT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:40:57 GMT

In article <thaaang.727546312@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> Woah. I'm having visions of HIV+ people pooling their blood so that
> bucketsful can be thrown at Burroughs-Wellcome types, and unresponsive
> governmental people. Gnarly.

  Oh I duno about Burroughs-Wellcome, they are at least spending money
on the fight (if only to make a buck). However, my first reaction to
hearing about the bashing in Laguna was to take a bucket of red paint
and march down to Dornan's Garbage Grove office and have at it. 
Unfortunately, I don't think most people would get the connection.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:18:40 GMT

In article <C18oCM.BrK@unix.amherst.edu> llatwood@unix.amherst.edu (Laura Atwood) writes:

>Is it (dare I
>think?) making libraries an exception to the "city funds" part, or do I
>understand correctly that it's just clarifying that libraries may use funds to
>"address" homosexuality as long as they don't address it positively?

I think that's almost certainly the gist of it.  OR#9 was worded
explicitly to permit this sort of double standard: municipal funds may
not be used to address homosexuality in a "positive or neutral" light.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C1JyK7.61p
Organization: Open Communications Forum

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>John, who thinks it'd be nice to append a 'JUST KIDDING!' to this
>thread, just in case Our Brent is still feeling sensitive about the
>subject. 

[carefully feeling subject]  it still *seems* sensitive enough...
[whacking subject with leather glove]  oo yeah it's plenty sensitive.  

>Well, actually, I'm not kidding all *that* much, but it's
>not objectification, I swear, or at least not in a bad way. I'll
>respect you in the morning - now show me what you got, baby...

But would you disrespect me in a bad way the night before, John?

It looks like I'll be in the Boston area in mid-February.
Any Beantown queers want to get together with me for dinner?
Maybe we could tour some of those bars I've heard so much about.
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c++g+k++s-e++  | Collars and blindfolds and bullwhips
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)      | that sting, these are a few
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)   | of my favorite things 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
Subject: Re: Clinton is President, Bush is not even history
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:38:59 GMT

In article <1jk2ceINNl9h@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>
>The inaugural speech was fine and short.  The poem by Maya Angelu was quite
>moving.  But, my favorite part (after Al Gore's displacement
>of Dan Quayle as VP) was the music played immediately before Bill Clinton
>took the oath.  It was a traditional English march.  However, many baby
>boomers instantly recognized the music as being the theme from
>Monty Python's Flying Circus!!!

BZZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZZZZZZT!


Traditional *English* March? That's Sousa's "Liberty Bell March!"

You can't get more American than that!
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:17:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Thaaang realizes in astonishment:
>Accidentally sent my latest batch of unanswered mail to the 
>'=received' folder (I usually leave all unanswered mail at the main
>screen until I slip up in this manner). It's been a while since I
>last checked in there, so I thought I'd swallow my fear and see
>exactly how frightening things were. When I did, I found *two*
>*hundred* and *fifteen* messages stashed away!

Thanks, John.  You've made me feel better about having let 15
messages build up unanswered..... but then, I took care of
that yesterday....  ;-)

 
() Salus populi suprema est lex. (The good of the people is
() the greatest law.)
()      -- Cicero
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:41:29 GMT


I just read an artile in today's (28 Jan) Los Angeles Times about The
Advocate and its current hard times.  Besides "downsizing" their work
force, they're being sued by a man who claims that he was sexually
harassed by his male supervisor and by a lesbian editor who claims
that she was discriminated agains because she's female/lesbian.

In the sexual harassment case, The Advocate originally tried to have
the case thrown out of court on the grounds that same-sex sexual
harassment was not prohibited by law.  The lawyer for the man suing
said that it most certainly was.  Apparently The Advocate agrees,
since they withdrew that motion.

Other woman editors have quit, saying that they too were discriminated
agains because they were lesbians.  On the other hand, the editor who
replaced one of these women is also a lesbian, which the management
claims is proof that they don't discriminate.
-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
 <thaaang.727628910@cwis> <C18L55.DqB@agora.rain.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:26:21 GMT

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>Boundless JOY! I've heard a thing or two about you...

>If you think I experience joy from being bound less, 

No, I meant I'm so happy I can't even jump around about it.

>you've obviously been hearing the wrong things.  :)

No, I'd say I haven't...

Come over. Wear low-rise pants. We'll talk.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:10:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan26.101009.860
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <C1GCJz.MG9@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>% ls -l ~/Mail/received
>-rw-------  1 twpierce  1149090 Jan 26 02:32 /user1/twpierce/Mail/received
>And you thought you had problems, John?

you think that's bad? I've sent 550k of email in the *last week*
alone. Even considering that 30% is headers and quotes, that's still
a huge amount of writing, maybe 30,000 words.

No wonder I don't get any work done.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     What in this room is alive and what doesn't have life?
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:59:22 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <147006@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> wbs@mred.llnl.gov 
   (William B. Schaefer IV) writes:

>light.  Of course we are treated to numerous holodeck liaisons;  especially
>endearing is the skinny-dipping scene at the drawbridge...

Y'ever wonder who's responsible for cleaning up the holodeck from
all the MIT boys leaving their spunk on the floor after copulating
with a holographic image?

When are they gonna have an episode in which the maintenance crew
goes on strike?
-- 
Daniel Gilly
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rwhite@jagat.uucp (Robert White)
Subject: Re: motssketeer's at USENIX?
Keywords: motss, social interaction, whatever
Organization: Rob White and Friends
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:45:34 GMT

Well, I live here in San Diego, but sadly I don't know much about the
local social scene (I've been in a social coma for the last couple of
years 8-).  I am trying to get the money to attend USENEX proper but
either way I'de like to meet some of the motssi out there.

Mail me at rwhite@nunic.nu.edu (Havn't got news there yet).
-- 
Robert C. White Jr.               ______
Just some guy.                     \__/
(Insert clever banalities here)     \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dlopez@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Lopez)
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:59:09 GMT
Reply-To: dlopez@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


In article <1993Jan24.162805.23016@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> In article <brsmith.727834695@duncan>
|> brsmith@duncan.cs.umn.edu (Brian R.  Smith) writes:
|> 
|> >  "The Jojo Fan Club"
|> >  "Friends of Jojo"
|> >  "Jojo's Love Slave Wannabes"
|> >  "Those Who Wait for the Coming of Jojo"
|> >  "Viva Jojo"
|> >  "Fans of the Conceptual Daddy"
|> 
|> >Who wants to join?
|> 
|> Jojo, probably.
|> 
|> -- 
|> [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
|> [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
|> [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
|> [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]

Can I?  Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll be a good boy. :-}

We could call the club 'Jojo International'.

-- DML
From: devesh@bombay.oracle.com (A Rice Queen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A joke :)
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: devesh@bombay.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Here is a joke I read on soc.culture.asian.american: Enjoy :)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Four guys have been golfing together for years.  Throughout the years, they
have discussed various aspects of their lives, with one exception: they never
talk about their sons.  This is because one of the men has a son who is a
flaming, out-of-the-closet homosexual, and the other men don't want to make
him feel bad.

One week, however, the man with the gay son is late to the country club, so the
other three are sitting around the table and inevitably start talking about
their sons.

"My son the Mercedes salesman," says one, "has been doing so well lately that
last week, he tells me, he GAVE a friend of his a brand new Benz!"

"Ah, that's nothing," says the second one, "My son, the marina owner, has been
so successful lately that last week he gave one of his friends a brand new
speedboat!"

"MY son," says the third, "has done so exceptionally well in the real estate
market, that last week he gave a friend of his a whole HOUSE!"

Just then the fourth man walks in and says "You know, I never thought my son
would amount to anything.  But then, just last week, his three lovers gave him
a new Mercedes, a speedboat and a house!"

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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: Straight spouses on ABC's 20/20
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:21:01 GMT
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA 95131

In article <1993Jan19.012205.12960@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
>The angle of the story was how to cope with this situation.  
>The gay or lesbian partner is usually 2 times happier as a result -- the
>liberation of coming out, probably triggered by finding a motss
>partner.  Meanwhile, the straight spouse's self-esteem is shattered,
>and he or she will probably end up alone.

In the case of my ex-wife, she's already re-married, while I'm still
single.  I think that we're *both* happier now.  Our kids seem to have
survived as well.

Chuck
-- 
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ncselxsi system administrator                       (415) 964-2819 Home
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:56:33 GMT


In article <18432@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
Rowley) writes:

>>The thought that I'd lose control and beat the face off of
>>a homophobe scared me more than the thought that I'd get
>>hurt.

>No offense Nelson, but this sounds like a dodge to me.

It struck me not as a dodge, but as an indicator of the
scale of rage pent up within us by social oppression that
seeks any means of disempowering us.  I believe it helps us
avoid becoming murderers ourselves that we can be in contact
with feeling (including fear) capable of great violence.

>No, QN is the American version of the PRC's cultural
>revolution.  By its nature it must be a short lived
>phenomenon.

I agreed with nearly everything else you said, but apart
from being short-lived, I don't think QN has anything in
common with the Cultural Revolution, neither in motive,
effect, nor historical significance.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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