From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: WWII, again (was Re: Dr. Mishitch, the Bishop of Mostar)
Date: 26 Dec 92 20:40:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.croatia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne) writes:


>In article <Dec.25.00.17.03.1992.12067@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
>pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>|> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic) writes:
>|> 
>|> >blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
>|> 
>|> And if your answer is that Serbian rulers were dominant, so the politicians 
>|> and rulers of other nationalities couldn't exercise their own domination,
>|> please document this claim.

>Other peoples were not allowed to have their "rulers". Those rulers had
>to be serbian slaves. If they didn't they were either replaced (Savka
>Dapcevic, Osman Karabegovic, Avdo Humo, etc.) or imprisoned (Azem Vlasi
>etc.) or killed (Dzemal Bijedic etc.).

Faruk, just for the sake of the truth, and not emotions:

Isn't it true that anybody who didn't agree with the official "line"
of the communist party was either replaced, imprisoned or killed
regardless of the nationality? There are many examples of Serbian
and Monte-Negro politicians who shared the same faith. And you can
not claim that the Communist party was dominated by Serbs, because
it wasn't. It was dominated by Tito, Kardelj, Bakaric over all!

Second, who were these politicians you named replaced with? Serbs?
Not they were replaced with the ones who would follow the "line". In
Bosnia there were from Bosnia (Muslems, Serbs, Croats), in Croatia
they were from Croatia, and certainly not Serb in the majority (of
the leadership). And in Kosovo, they were Albanians.

There is nothing "Serbian" nor "croatian" nor "Muslim" nor "albanian"
about being a dictator or a "slave" of the communist rulers.


>This was pre-war situation in ex-Yu: serbs (11% of Croation population)
>had 70% of Croatian police. 

Please can you really document this, or is it a peace of propaganda?
Think: If all the Serbians comprised about 11-12% of the population
in Croatia, that would mean that adult male, fit for the army/police
under most genereous counts were not more than 5% (and certainly much less)
of the population (take the children, the women and the old away).
OK. How many of these 5% adult males were in the police force?
Even if we say that ALL of them were in the police force (which is
far far from reality), how could that be 70% of the police force?
Besides, if Croatian government didn't antagonize against Serbian
population, why not? If they (Croatian government) meant to build a
democratic and civil state in which everyone is equal, what would it matter
whether all the Serbs (adult male) were in the police force? They (government)
should have USED the alleged 70% of the Serbs in the police force to guarantee
the security of the Serbian people, so that they would not fear. Without
fear among the Serbs, Milosevic's propaganda among the Serbs in Croatia
would have fallen onto deaf ears. The Serbs of Croatia, if they didn't
have reason to fear, would have laughed at Milosevic, and the
extremists among themselves.

>..................................Out of 40 ex-Yu generals, 32 were serbs.
>Although they comprise 44% of population the Bosnian Muslims were forbiden
>to have any non-religious newspaper either dayly or weekly. (The only
>one for Kosovo Albanians was crushed - Rilindija.) 

Again for the sake of the truth: can you name them all? As well as the
Navy and Air forces generals? Who was the supreme commander? Could you
describe the top Army structures? (This is not challenging your
number, but just for the sake of precision. It is the high time we 
really look at what was going on, without prejudices)

>Serbs were permanently
>making "political" court processes to eminent Muslims (e.g. FiKret Abdic).

As above, that was not a "Serb" process, but a Communist one. There were
similar processes to eminent Serbs. The nationality didn't have anything
to do with them, just the dictatorship under which all the nations were
subjected, and in which members of all the nations have their representatives
among the rulers.


>Faruk.
>"Good fence makes good neighbors."

"Sloga kucu gradi, nesloga je razara" (With harmony the house is built,
with disharmony it is destroyed)

Happy New Year and from the bottom of my heart a hope for

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Ana M. Shane                               pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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