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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:21:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.164055.9617@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:

[lotsa stuff deleted]

>And all this "Music is a weapon in the battle between God and Satan for
>our souls" is hogwash.  I hate to break it to you, but you're saved!
>So am I!  We don't have to cower in fear anymore!
>Here's some sacred music for you! "The Prince of Darkness grim / We tremble
>not for him / One little word shall fell him."  (Can you tell I'm Lutheran?)
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nope.  'Cause I like that hymn, too!  :^)

>>I myself do not buy music that is produced by musicians who 
>>deliver a worldly hope--I don't want to use the money God has given me to
>>support their ministry.
>
>"Guilty by Association."

Heh!  Yep, I posted a few fragments of the lyrics from that one a couple
months ago, when this first started up (for the most recent time, not
the absolute first time!  :^)  ).

>Ernest Mueller

			--Michael

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Grateful Dead? (no flames, please)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.165235.8335@phx.mcd.mot.com> charles@phx.mcd.mot.com I writes:
}
}	I have a couple of Grateful Dead stickers on my car, and it
}	has also provoked some interest around our church... but
}	people seem to have accepted it as just one of my "quirks."
}	I suppose the fact that I'm an otherwise fairly normal person
}	(except for the shoulder-length hair, a little unusual for a
}	40-year old) helps...

	I suppose I should also mention that this is one of those
	liberal United Methodist churches.  Your mileage may vary.

	Unrelated Question:  Given the amount of postings regarding
	how to ftp the Mike Warnke article, how to decode what you
	ftp back, the uuencoded-zip'd Mike Warnke article, and so
	on, wouldn't it have been easier to just post the original
	article in the first place???

Charles
From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 21:00:06 GMT
Organization: Rice University

>>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

>   WHAT IS THIS? (yes, I know that caps are not nice)
>  Since when have we been talking about denominations? 
>  or being conservative? and what's wrong with that anyway? we should 
>  examine each argument put forth by (this is a conservative statement here)
>  what we understand the bible to say, not what is conservative, baptist,
>  liberal or whatever else.

That's a very conservative thing to say.  Some Christians might choose to 
also test arguments against church tradition, or common sense.  And you 
should know that "what we understand the Bible to say" is different,
or else there would not be different denominations in the first place!

>  this could turn into an interesting thread. granted, most CCM is
>  "conservative" in some sense. and i would suspect most fans. partly
>  that's because conservatism (religiously speaking) seems to foster
>  (inappropriately IMHO) separatism ... so we have christian car washes,
>  christian wheaties, and christian music (yeah that old thread) ...

>  liberal christians seem to be much more at ease in the world, and adopting
>  to its values, etc. so why would they _want_ CCM/CCMC?

I don't think that's a fair statement.  Some Christains in liberal 
denominations do adopt the world's values.  So do some evangelicals.
It would be fair to say that more liberal denominations are not so
fanatically separatist.  Your average liberal churchgoer, for instance,
would view the "Is classical music evil" thread with great humor, because
it seems a silly thing to argue about.  "Less legalistic" would also
be a term they would use.  

By saying "Why would they want CCM," you are saying "Well, they like the world
so much, which of them would like to hear music glorifying God or instructing
them?  They're all lost anyway, none of them really love God."

This is the kind of religious bigotry that make me well aware of what
stripe of Christian dominates this newsgroup.


mueller
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Beldin Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Perfectionism
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:07:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul21.233731.926@pictel.com>, harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
  
> The difference is that Scholz Research and Development did not exist
> before the first or second Boston album, as far as I know.  If I recall
> correctly, he left the engineering field *before* Boston's first album
> came out, so that he could tour with them and work on recording.  There
> is a level of dedication and sacrifice here that part-timers may not
> have.
  
  Yes, and it often shows in the music, unfortunately.

> Ask Rick Wakeman from Yes what he things about sequencers.  To
> paraphrase from an interview, he would *never* use sequencers to play
> something that he couldn't play "live".

  Wakeman has always been one of the guys who would do anything to
  avoid compromising playing ability, he's one of the showmen, and 
  takes great pride in playing all of the music himself. Understandibly(sp?)
  so, he's that good.
  
> Top-of-the-line production does not make bad music good any more than poor production makes good music bad.  Many of Yes' albums were recorded in very primitive conditions (e.g., mobile studios) even for that time, but the quality is there.  Quality depen> ds more on the amount of time you are willing to sacrifice to both write *and* produce a recording.

Yes, once again I agree with you, and a BIG Yes fan.

Bill 


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From: teh@latcs1.lat.oz.au (RICHIE TEH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Lyle Lovett (sp?) "Joshua judges Ruth""
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:14:52 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: teh@latcs2.lat.oz.au

Hi everyone,

	Just wondering, is there any christian referenced to this album, or
just another 'making-fun-of-christian-type" album (eg, Genesis 's "Jesus he
knows me" on the "No son of mine" album")?


-- 
Richie   ( that's me....)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jerdman@den.mmc.com (Joe Erdman 1-1432)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:38:06 GMT

In article <84100@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <low-220792102128@l32282.mdc.com> low%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com (Jerry Low) writes:
> Christian music (and art
>of all types) that reaches out to non-Christians is rare.  
>
>--Lauren
> 
I particularly liked the last comment.  I guess that I take things less    
seriously in some ways than some do.  In '84 my wife and I decided to quit
buying "secular" music (as it were). That was our choice. Not all bands are out
to get across negative or anti-God messages.  However, we did feel that it was
not worth our time to sift through all the non-christian music to be able to
hear stuff that was not edifying or speaking to us in a positive manner. My 
preferred style of music is heavy metal, and once in a while thrash.  I do
not feel that there are very many secular groups that offer a good message in
those venues. The main reason IMHO for christian music is the words. The do
matter, regardless of what people try to say. (Ask the International Brotherhood of Police about Cop Killer). However, I do not understand why there has to be
a quota of *praise words* in an album.  When MWS quit evangalizing Christians
threw a fit. Amy goes out into the world and gets beat up by both the Secular
and Christian market. My wife and I fully enjoyed her concert last summer.  We
also felt that her message is really to women, not girls, but mothers who work
hard to keep their families and careers together. God has not called all of us
to evangalize. 

One last thing.  Why can't Christian music be good, wholesome entertainment to
be enjoyed?

thank you for your patience, I'm new to this.

ERDY


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: Review:  Adam Again's Dig
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:34:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Jul23.173805.15155@news.eng.convex.com> moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
>Long review:

Long, depressing, negative review. ;-(

Bad review.  Sorry.  I was in a funk myself when I wrote that.
I realized after I wrote it that it was mostly the bad stuff.

Kind of a backwards approach to reviewing, but essentially if
you don't have a problem with any of the bad things and
the list isn't long then it must be great, hmm? ;-)

Suffice it to say that, if you liked Homeboys, you will love this one.
It improves in every respect on Homeboys.  Something that is hard to believe
if you loved HB as much as I did.

I listened to it at *live* levels last night at home:

If you like this kind of music and don't get this disc, I pity you.

Upon my first listenings, I felt that Riki Michelle was under-utilized on 
this project.  Not so.  She's there, you just have to get into the music
to see her standing over in the corner humming along.  What an incredible
voice.

Tom (moeller@convex.com)
		"the earth is hard, but the treasure fine"
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dietiphobia
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:11:28 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <131110026@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com>, patti@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Patti Richey ) writes:
> Does anyone out there know anything about a group called Dietiphobia? We
> bought 2 albums by them. "Fear of God" (my personal favorite). I can't 
> remember the title of the other one. Do they get out much? Do concerts? etc
        Dietiphobia is (as you know) a techno/industrial/dance band from the
Southwest, composed of Wally Shaw and Brent Stackhouse.  They have two albums
currently in print "Fear of God" and "Digital Priests-The Remixes."  This
second album is a reissue of a custom album they did just over a year ago
called "Digital Priests" while the band was still using the name Donderfliegen.
        The band does play live, but have not toured extensively far from home. 
However, they probably wouldn't mind, if anybody wants to try to book them.
        Brent Stackhouse is also in the band WigTop, with his wife Heather. 
WigTop is mellower than Dietiphobia, and Heather does a lot of the singing. 
They have an album called "Revelation 1921."  Brent is also in a band called 
X Propagation.  They are hard.  They ahave not released an album yet, but thy
have a song on the SLAVA Music sampler "Voice of the People."  Also on "Voice
of the People" is a song by Wally Shaw's other band Icon Tack.  Icon Tack is
more of a pure techno band.  The future of Icon Tack, like that of
X Propagation, has yet to be seen.
        Slava Music is an organization of Techno and Indyustrial artists
(Christian ones) that helps bands with management, production, and promotion,
ect.  Wally, Brent, and the guitarist for X Propagation are some of the key
people in Slava Music.  "Voice of the People" is available at any good
Christian bookstore.  It is on Blonde Vynil records and is available through
Spectra Distribution, as well as Spring Arbor.  If the people at the store
aren't hip enough to have it in stock, tell them to order it.  They are lying
if they say they can't.  Besides one songe each from the bands mentioned above
(the Dietiphobia song is not one either of their albums) "Voice of the People"
contians songs by Dance House Children, MC White E, Global Wave System, The
Prodigal Sons, Love Assembly, and others.
        For more information, write to SLAVA Music's address in "Fear of God." 
It may take a while, but they will send you something!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: One Bad Pig?? (Was: RE: Hey, leave Debbie alone!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:30:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <64144@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>(Or forget top 40 and listen to One Bad Pig :-)
>
>JRjr

Well, you never know...maybe they'll just crossover into Top 40 soon,
too.


;)


--Jeffrey
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2 uses padding?! Horrors!
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:25:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <63929@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>I always find it amusing, as a guitarist, when non-musicians ask me to "play
something by U2!"  One guy with an acoustic guitar? Impossible.  They use 3 
or 4 guitars at once, plus sometimes string/key/weird sounds.
Their whole gimmick is the "wall of sound/textured" approach, which
cannot be duplicated by 4 live musicians, no matter how talented.  

Well, to be fair, they really do TRY to duplicate the sound without too much
additional stuff.  I saw a interview with the Edge on MTV and he showed off
his equipment.  He had the largest, most complicated set of guitar effects
pedals and switches and stuff i've ever seen, as well as pedals for playing
keyboard stuff.  Oh yeah, and he sings, too!  :-)

JRjr


-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: Totally bizarre Network
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:26:42 GMT

In article <29JUL92.00101481@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu writes:
>Please don't send the topic police against me, but I can't just let a recent
>post stand without challenge.
>
>     BENNY HEN IS A CULTIST. His teachings are heresey. For example:
>
>     1. "Just as dogs have puppies, and cats have kittens, God has little gods.
>
>     2. He teaches that God is a man about 6' 2".
>
>     3. He teaches, citing a wiered translation of "dominion over" that
>        "Adam was the first Superman" in that if Adam has dominion over
>         birds that means that he must be able to do the same thing as
>         the birds.

4. He teaches that Satan and Jesus are brothers.

5. He teaches that Satan had sex with Eve.

>     Benney Hen's teachings have been consistently been challenged by
> the Christian Research Institute, (who incedently will be shot by the Holy
> Spirit's machine gun,) which was founded by Dr. Walter Martin. I don't know
> if there book entitled "Christianity in Crisis" is out yet, but it will
> document the apostacies of Benny Hen and the rest of Word Faith Movement.
>
>     I seriously hope that people stay away from him.

Me too.  I am a charismatic, but that doesn't mean that I can't dicern
the truth from a lie.  If anyone out there is caught up in Benny's
doctrine, then don't take my words against Benny, take his own and
test them according to scripture!

>
>Note to the Lawyers: These opinions are mine, but the facts are verefied.
>
>---
>mark
>
>
>smothers@nau.nauvax.ucc.edu

Brad

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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:59:54 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

>Since when is the Baptist denomination a "radical breakaway group
>from Western Christianity?"
>Quotes from Revelation chapter 1 (NIV):
>v. 1 - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
>       servants what must soon take place.
>vv. 17-19 - When I (John) saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as though
>            dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not
>	    be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One;
>	    I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I
>	    hold the keys of death and Hades. Write, therefore, what you
>	    have seen, what is now and what will take place later."
>
>IMO, if you do not believe that Revelation is true, then you do not
>believe that Jesus Christ speaks truth.
>Proverbs 30:5,6 (NIV) - Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield
>	to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or
>	he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
>>We venerate icons and view them as representations of events and
>>beings in Heaven.
>Exodus 20:4 (NIV) - You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of
>	anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters
>	below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the
>	LORD your God, am a jealous God
>For those of you who wish to post replies (or flames) regarding my 
>statements, I am looking forward to reading them.  If you do have flames,
>please post them to the newsgroup and don't email them to me, because I
>believe that they should be as public as my statements.

No flames.  I am not a Baptist myself (I think it's pretty ridiculous that
we even HAVE denominations.  We are either saved servants of the Lord or
we are not), I am non-denominational.  I just wanted to say that I alwasy
appreciate responses that are based on the inerrant, true word of God.
Thank you, Keith.

(I know some people on this newsgroup believe it is inappropriate to 
encourage someone publicly on the newsgroup, as it may lead to false 
pride.  However, I am not one of those)

--
Noel Estabrook		|	If you were indicted in court for being a
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	Christian, would there be enough evidence
Educational Technology  |	to convict you?
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken A. Roberge)
Subject: At a loss
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: World
 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:54:11 GMT

	I'm just starting in the Christian Music area and I'm having
trouble picking out which artists to try..If anyone could give me a hand
with this it would be extremely appreciated (through e-mail).  What i'd
like to know is which artists I could try which would be like the secular
stuff I listen to so I can keep the same area...also Is there no Jazz
artists in the Christian music scene?  I'd love to get my hands on some
jazz stuff..please reply through e-mail and i'll give a list of some of
the secular stuff I listen to and whoever replies can suggest some
possibilities...
 
                                  Thanks Ever So Much
					K.A.R
From: CASTILLO@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu (Ulysses Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Carman's "The Third Heaven"
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:48:01 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Camelot System (Excalibur)
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.05

Could someone educate me and _please_ tell me what the Third Heaven
is?  I've heard the song, and I really like it, but I have no clue why it
is called what it is.

thanks,

Ulysses.
_____
Ulysses Castillo (aka Belgarion)   Trr, lbh zhfg or n irel phevbhf crefba!
Castillo@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
"And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of Time.", Matt. 28:20
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kaide@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Kevin D. G. Aide)
Subject: Kingdom Bound '92
Originator: kaide@cayley.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:52:22 GMT

Hello, i am planning to attend Kingdom Bound '92 this August.  I am curious
about how many people on the NET have ever attended this Christian MusicFest.

If you have could you please email me your impression about it.

					Thanks
					Kevin  (kaide@cayley.uwaterloo.ca)

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Subject: Guilty by Association
Keywords: Steve Taylor Rocks
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:20:07 GMT

And now, the complete lyrics to the Steve Taylor song "Guilty by Association."

So you need a new car? let your fingers take a walk
through the business guide for the 'born again' flock
you'll be keeping all your money in the kingdom now
and you'll only drink milk from a Christian cow
don't you go casting your bread to keep the heathen well-fed
line Christian pockets instead - avoid temptation

guilty by association

Turn the radio on to a down-home drawl
hear a brylcreem prophet with a message for y'all
'I have found a new weapon in the devil's toolbox
and the heads are gonna roll if Jesus rocks
it's of a worldly design!  God's music should be divine!
try buying record like mine - avoid temptation'

guilty by association

So you say it's 'of the devil' and we've got no choice
because you heard a revelation from the 'still small voice'
if the Bible doesn't back it then it seems quite clear
perhaps it was the devil who whispered in your ear

It's a Telethon Tuesday for 'The Gospel Club'
'send your money in now or they're gonna pull the plug!'
just remember this fact when they plead and beg
When The Chicken Squawks Loudest Gonna Lay A Big Egg
you could be smelling a crook
you should be checking the Book
but you'd rather listen than look - the implication

guilty by association


Written by Steve Taylor, copyright 1984 C.A. Music