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From: messiah@nevada.edu (MARCO)
Subject: What about funbooks?
Originator: messiah@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:57:55 GMT

Most people have probably seen or heard of those coupon books which
are put out by several casinos. I have seen them many times trampled
on the sidewalk (down town LV, and the strip) so maybe not everybody
realizes what a nice deal some (I repeat SOME) of these are.

Example: A coupon which pays 7:5 on a winner at the craps table is
         worth (.493 x 7) + (.507 x -5) = $0.92 value on pass line bets.

It doesn't take more than 4 or 5 of these per hour to make at least
minimum wage, and with more coupons I'm sure it's possible to do better
than that... Lotsa low stakes poker and blackjack players average that
kind of money only after 100's of hours and with considerably more
effort. 

I think that a network like this would be perfect for establishing an
information pool on where to find the good coupon deals. Let me start
by telling all of you where oodles of vouchers can be acquired (free)
which can be converted into funbooks (with out of state ID), at the
establishment that promotes them. El Morrocco (a dump), next to the
Silver City, has a rack full of vouchers, but only a few of them are
worth anything and they are spread out all over town. (Note: the last
time I was there was months ago so making a detour for the place might
be a disapointment - though the vouchers have been there for years). 

So far I've only indulged in the coupon scene superficially because it
doesn't seem worth the effort to go to each place, at the sometimes
inconvenient (lousy 9 to 5) hours of the redemption booth, and find out
what the story is. But if everybody were to pitch in a little I think 
it would be a nice fringe... Any takers? I don't see why we should let
the people who sell this kind of information get fat too easily, do you?

(P.S. DAMIAN - get your nose off the screen, someone's probably got thier
hand in the air with a question!)
From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice on Polar Bear protection requested (no kidding!!!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:29:39 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <52722@mimsy.umd.edu>, thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com
    (Saigon Smuggler) writes:
#
#I recalled a writer of a hunting magazine failed to stop a charging 
#grizzly with six 210-gr JHP .44 Magnum rounds at armlength distance.
#The six rounds all hit in a small group in the chest/heart area of the
#bear.  However, they all expanded and failed to penetrate past the heavy 
#chest muscles.
#
#He was saved by his buddy with a high-power rifle.  He went on to recommend
#heavy (over 300 grains) hard-cast bullets for .44 Mag.
#
#-tt
	A friend of mine guides bear hunters here in N.M., and he won't
  allow anyone to shoot a bear with a .44 Mag pistol, because of several
  similar bad experiences with even our much smaller black bears - the
  standard 240 grain bullets, particularly the JHP's that everyone is so
  fond of using, just do not penetrate reliably.  When you have dogs worth
  $1000's of dollars under the tree, you don't want the bear coming out of
  the tree and killing them.

  -Bob

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From: ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: SIG Sauer P226 vs. P228
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:31:16 GMT
Organization: Sarah Brady Fan Club

In article <52873@mimsy.umd.edu> baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler) writes:
#
#
## well, i dont think the P7 is *that* much smaller than the P228.
## i personally don't like the H&K squeeze trigger set-up at all.
#
#It's the most compact efficient 9mm Para I have ever seen (I don't
#trust the Grendel and the firestar). If you don't like its mechanism,
#it's however a good reason to look for something else. I frequently
                           ^^^^^^^ Those are fightin' words, sir! :)

The grendel is a little flaky, but not too bad because it is double-action
only. Certainly no SIG!  But a decent backup gun.

The firestar, on the other hand, IMHO, is an excellent weapon. Again, its no
SIG, but it is also the most compact 9mm made, and extremely durable.
What don't you like about it? Is there something I should know about it?
I know the european version is different (smaller safety and mag release),
but I haven't heard any criticism on this weapon other than "Its too small
for my hands" or the usual "I'm uncomfortable with condition 1".  

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From: mbrown@convex.com (Mark Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shotguns vs Handguns (was: Gun Recommendations Sought)
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:05:51 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA


#|Kids are less likely to get in trouble with a shotgun in the house.

_ANY_ kind of gun that is kept in a house with kids should have a 
trigger lock on it when the adults aren't around.
From: douglas@netcom.com (Doug - MIS x7889)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Request to assemble a rec.guns FAQ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:30:42 GMT
Organization: Approach Software Corp.  Redwood City, CA  94063

Anyone like myself that has been reading this newsgroup for any amount of
time knows that many of the same questions come up again and again:

- What do I need to get an FFL?

- Can I legally carry my guns across the country when I move?

- Is the CAR-15 on the Banned list in CA?

- I moving to New Jersey.  Is getting a CCW license easy?

- What is better -- .45 or 9mm?

Even for some of the more seasoned folks who might think "Now what
the hell was that experiance people had with taking guns on planes?"

Seems worthwhile to assemble a FAQ that the moderator or someone could
throw out every few weeks and help answer some of those regular
questions that get burned to the ground.

-DM

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Network administration / software development    douglas@netcom.UUCP
Approach Software Corporation                    +1 415.306.7889

[MODERATOR:  I theory, the software server I commissioned to let
us have a "high tech" solution to the FAQ problem is still coming
along.  But I've stopped holding my breath, it will be another 
month anyway before the students will let me test it here.  On the
other hand, I think we could very well get started on collection 
of those topics we find to be most easily handled by FAQ lists
instead of the whole group.  SO ... please think up a list (make
it crisp and brief to simplify integration into a summary), and
send it to "jimsix@xring.cs.umd.edu", which is a mailbox to allow
let me to sort things out from regular r.g. traffic.   Every once 
in a while I'll check it and post a summary to the net.

Note 1:  My criteria for putting out faq text will be to ensure
that (a) the text appears to be as accurate and safe as a volunteer
group can ensure through public scrutiny (all disclaimers included
of course), (b) is crisp and to the point, (c) has a few willing
volunteers with interest in the topic to sign up to field out of
band communication and followups in a personal way (cf. note 2
below).  In the long run, I would plan to use these volunteers to
help formulate a uniformly-formatted archival collection of notes
(ala the Brownell's volumes, for example.)

Note 2: There is one aspect of FAQ text that is not as good as 
I might like, which is the "human contact" element.   I *like* 
that someone writes a personal note to some new posters, who get
on the net and ask thoughtful questions.  I get the impression that
some more direct contact and off-line interchanges build up, and
this is good for us as a community.  Sure, people can submit 
followup questions to the net, but I'd like to network people as
much as possible.  So if you have suggestions about how to make
the text within our faq messages more personal, then PLEASE let
me know directly.]
From: aeporro@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Bob Porro)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mini 14
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:19:58 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <52917@mimsy.umd.edu>, cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura) writes...
#Woe is me.  
# 
#I've got a SS Mini 14 that I like in every way.  There's just one little 
#thing, I can't get it to shoot straight.  At least not with the economy 55 
#gr. ammo.  Where can I get SS109?  Do any of the econo brands use a 
#heavier grained bullet?
# 
#Can Mini 14s be accurized in any way?  Can anything be done about the 
#trigger?
# 
#I wouldn't be so disappointed, but I had a blued Mini 14 seven years ago 
#that shot really well.
# 
#I know I'm not the only one to ask about this so please post your comments 
#on the net.
# 

Hansen sells the SS109 .223 ammo which shoots pretty well.  I bought some for
about $6 per box (20 rounds).  As for your accuracy problem, if it persists 
after trying a variety of loads, why not give Ruger a call and see if they 
can do anything for you?

There's a gentleman that I see occasionally at the OGCA gun show who goes 
by the name of Chief AJ and shoots Ruger 10/22's and Mini 14's exclusively.
The last time I saw him, he had a display of customized Mini-14's.  I didn't 
talk to him about how accurate these rifles were, but I got the impression that 
he does accurize Mini-14's.  I don't have his address, but I think he is from 
Illinois and does advertise in Shotgun News once in a while.

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From: voodoo!tomm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Info wanted on a Sears rifle
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:30:35 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA



Sears???  Did he say Sears, like in Sears and Sendback???

Yup, I did.  I've got a .30-'06 chambered Sears and Roebuck Rifle.  I got
it for Christmas some years ago after bugging my dad about his Winchester
Model 70.  Now that I've got the real thing, I'll be wanting to part with
the Sears.  I think it is a Model 70 knock-off, possibly quite a good
knock off.  Following is what I know about it; I'd appreciate any additional
info any of you might be able to add:

Sears Model 53A (273.532780) .30-'06 Cal. Bolt Action           U171439
    Excellent.  Bushnell 4X scope.  Unfired.  $???
    It looks similar to a Winchester "Ranger" which is a Model 70 copy
    made under license by Repeating Arms.

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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: "GLOCK" - A Book Review
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:19:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone) writes:
#In article <52804@mimsy.umd.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu(Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
##15 Accessories and Special Stuff [factory and third party items,
##    including the much discussed "Amphibious Firing-Pin Spring Cups"
##    which allow the Model 17 (only) to be fired underwater.  The

#Are these available to the gneral public from any source?
#Did these look easy to manufacture yoursef?
#Just curious.

they are not available to the general public. only to special units of 
the military and then only if they sign a lengthy waiver/disclaimer.

it might be possible to alter the normal firing cups to approximate the
amphibious ones.

there is little practical value to the amphibious cups, and extreme
hazards obtain in their use. the shock wave from firing a gun 
underwater can do some pretty serious damage to the person firing
it.


-- 
paul theodoropoulos                                         damiel@netcom.COM
From: rrubert@netman.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Revolver Hammer Shrouds...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:04:30 GMT


#From Andrew Ford:

#I do not carry any weapon with a live round under the hammer no matter how
#many safety features are in place to prevent accidental discharge.  You can
#get away with relying on safety features for a long time, possibly even your
#entire lifetime, but your grandchild may be the one who is using the gun when
#the saftey feature fails: will that child be relying on the safety features or
#on good sense?  Safety features are *no* substitute for intelligent, cautious 
#handling of firearms.


	I cannot help but wonder if this is a little too conservative.
	Having examined the mechanism on my Ruger and Taurus revolvers
	as well as my PPK/S I cannot see how a "safety failure" is any
	more likely than a direct meteor strike. If this sort of thing is 
	taken too far you have to start worrying about sponteanous
	combustion in the other chambers of the cylinder.

	I try to rely on rules 1 thru 3 for safety. Course I do get
	a littel nervous about those cocked and locked folks.


			Rod Rubert
From: rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Finnish rifle rewiew
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:31:01 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

In article <52872@mimsy.umd.edu> alanko@ruuvi.me.tut.fi (Risto Alanko) writes:
##From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
#

[snip snip]

# 
###Most Army matches are with issue sights. There are some "military 
##biathlon" #versions with diopter sights, though.
#
##Are these diopter sights of the type where the rifle needs to be drilled 
##and tapped?
#

STUPID QUESTION TIME : What's a "diopter sight?"

Thanks,

Rog
From: emba-news.uvm.edu!bashiti@kira.UVM.EDU (Abbas J Bashiti)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:43:53 GMT
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility

#From article <53010@mimsy.umd.edu>, by rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White):
# In article <52962@mimsy.umd.edu> jvh@nature.berkeley.edu writes:
# #
# I have a video (the name of which escapes me at the moment) in which they fire
# tracers into a gas tank about 1/3 full of gas.  You can seen the gas leaking
# out of the tank and you can see vapors all around the tank - it never
# explodes.  More movie B.S. I'm afraid.
# 
     Deadly Weapons...

# In another scene, a fellow selling soft body armour, shoots himself
# point-blank with a .44 mag - no problem and then shoots another fellow
# point-blank with a rifle (I forget the caliber).  The shootee is standing on
# one foot at the time and the impact doesn't even make him lose his balance.
# 
     The rifle is a .308, FN-FAL if I remember correctly.  Very good 
video if not somewhat lacking in actual quality of the actual film...

later,
AJ
From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock 21
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:33:55 GMT


 
##Anybody used a Glock 21?  I'm thinking of buying one, but would like
##to hear from happy or sad users first.
##What are the advantages or disadvantages to using this gun?
#
# I have never owned one, but I got to shoot a 21 one day.  I was 
# astounded at how great it was.  [...]

I had two opportunities to shoot the .45 Glock. That was interesting.
This gun is at least as accurate as my Gold Cup (serie 80) and has
good sights. I didn't like its trigger however. IMHO, this gun has
a single disadvantage, but it is big: its size. It's much too big 
to be carried concealed (at least by most people). If you are looking
for a self defense gun that you want to carry, You'll have to look
for another single column pistol, like a SIG P-220, or ask HK to finally
relase a .45 version of the P7.

Emmanuel Baechler.
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
MA-Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne	Switzerland
Tel.: ++41-21-693-2732
e-mail: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
Standard Disclaimer

Ban the bomb. Save the world for conventional warfare.
From: cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Mini 14
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:31:03 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

Woe is me.  

I've got a SS Mini 14 that I like in every way.  There's just one little 
thing, I can't get it to shoot straight.  At least not with the economy 55 
gr. ammo.  Where can I get SS109?  Do any of the econo brands use a 
heavier grained bullet?

Can Mini 14s be accurized in any way?  Can anything be done about the 
trigger?

I wouldn't be so disappointed, but I had a blued Mini 14 seven years ago 
that shot really well.

I know I'm not the only one to ask about this so please post your comments 
on the net.

Thanks,

Craig
From: chan@seattleu.edu (Anthony K.B. Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger 9mm
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:44:45 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

What are the differences between the Ruger P85 MKII and the P89 ? Which one
of them is the newer model ? I would also like to hear from some Rugers' owners.

Thanks!

Anthony Chan 
Computer & Information Services
Seattle University
Internet address : chan@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: upchrch!joel@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Revolver Hammer Shrouds...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:04:45 GMT
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson) writes:

# I don't know about the 940. But, even the best .38 +P+ loads only approach
# the performance of good 9mm loads, so even if the 940 cannot handle +P, 
# it will probably still exhibit better performance. 

Since we are talking about snub nosed revolvers, are we sure that +P
and +P+ really buy you anything? I would suspect that a lot of statistics
on .38 special stops are with 4 inch service revolvers. Has anybody
analyzed Marshalls stats to see what is the most effective round for
2 inch barrels. Does Marshall report this information? I seem to recall
that there are some .38 special loads that are designed for snub-nosed
revolvers (Treasury Load?). I would suspect that the optimal round for
a 2 inch barrel would be quite a bit different than one from a 4 inch
barrel. A faster burning powder if nothing else.

(If your mail bounces use the address below. My map entry is new.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: wwarf@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (wayne john warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: PEN GUN
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:42:02 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <53098@mimsy.umd.edu> sybok@m11-113-5.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:
#In article <53086@mimsy.umd.edu> jackson@bluemoon.rn.com (jack cole) writes:
##dbruce@athena.mit.edu (David M Bruce) writes:
##
### In article <53004@mimsy.umd.edu> sybok@m4-035-1.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writ
### #Where could I get a pen gun?
### 
### Nowhere, they're illegal (at least in MA).
##
##Not true!  They are legal in the US, baring local laws, if you get a 
##"all other weapos" tax 
#
#Is this a $200 tax plus a background check?
#
No, only $5+BG check.

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From: sybok@m4-035-19.MIT.EDU (The Terminator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: BOTTOM LINE
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:44:35 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

For all those interested, I have succeeded in getting approval to carry to
the MIT range.  Anyone who's interested can drop me a line if you'd like to
practice there with me some time, and I'll scratch my novice head very hard
and try to find a legal solution.

Would those of you who think my creed concerning the 1911 is "ignorance"
also call that same creed by the same name if Colonel Jeff Cooper had
expressed it?  In so many words, he did!
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm Clip prices?
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:56 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber]

How do Ramline mags rate? I've been considering getting a couple of them
for my P85.
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From: ALKIRE@acuvax.acu.edu (AL KIRE)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: First Pistol
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:55:51 GMT
Organization: Lost in NETland

In <53309@mimsy.umd.edu> rhino@wpi.WPI.EDU writes:

# Well from the mail I have gotten so far the Rugar, the Taurus and the Browning
# have been eliminated.  Well I never really liked any of them anyway.  The only
# gun left on my original list is the High Standard Citation.  Anyone out there 
# in net land who has any experiences or opinions about this gun if possible
# could you email me some info about what you know?
# 
# One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post was that I have had an
# extensive experience shooting cartridge firing pistols as well as air.  This
# experiece has led to my philosophy that a .22 goes pop, a .357 magnum is a
# fun practice gun and a .44 magnum isn't that much of a monster.  I don't want
# this to be misinterpreted, I don't mean it as guns are toys, only that in a
# number of letters which I recieved I was told that shooting a "regular" gun
# would be alot different from an air pistol, a fact that I agree with, but I
# would say that that isn't going to be a factor in my choice of a plinker/target
# gun.
# 
# So any opinions which were expressed previously were of great value and I thank
# all who sent me their opinion and if anyone has a comment about the Citation or
# about any of the High Standards in general could you email me about it.
 

Concerning the High Standarde I'll say this,  they WERE nice guns. 
Unfortunately, High Standard is no longer in business which makes locating one
for sale difficult and getting parts and service somewhat of a challenge.  I
have seen some at gun shows here, but they were at collector prices.  Because
High Standards were quite popular with the bullseye crowd there are still
gunsmiths around the country who work on them (though I couldn't give you a
name at the moment).  This could limit your options.

I'm not sure what went on in this discussion before, but I have been rather
impressed with the Brownings with the bull barrels.  They originally came out
in 10" with Millet sights for IHMSA competition and a no sight model for NRA
silhouettes.  They then built a 5 1/2" with the same sights, rib and barrel
that is nice for one handed shooting and "plinking".  Granted it is more
accurate than you need for plinking, but it can serve double purpose that way. 
Several silhouette shooters in this area have Brownings and are quite pleased
with them.  They puts lots of rounds through them.