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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Larry Kramer in Vanity Fair
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:39:30 GMT


Check out the splendid piece about Larry Kramer in October's
issue of Vanity Fair.  It's timed to coincide with the
opening, at the Public Theatre in New York, of his new play,
"The Destiny of Me," a sequel to "The Normal Heart."
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From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:16:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.143508.27254@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve
Dyer) writes:

>And, I'm firmly in the Anthony Berno camp--don't tell me that it's a
>hoax or that he was raped and killed.  I want to imagine that my
>Neanderthal, in totally revealing leather, walked bowlegged across the
>Alpine tundra.  Sigh.

So far I have seen no evidence that Otzi did *not* have sperm up the
bum when he died.  So why not think what you like?  Personally, I'm
wondering about the possibilities of Neaderthal-Cro Magnon gay romance.
One can hope somebody somewhere tried it.


-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:17:21 GMT

In article <mcmelmon-150992101046@mcmelmon.apple.com> mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Still using 'Boob?'  Such a penetrating wit - but then, you do need a
>penetrating *something* now, don't you, dear?

You know, I keep getting the feeling like I'm watching some sort of 
email version of some late-night slicer-dicer gadget commercial:
"homohater, Buchanan fan, boring and cretinous, woman-hater, 
grandiose ...  but wait! there's more!!"
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:  Publicity
Date: 5 Sep 1992 16:20:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <72049@apple.Apple.COM> 
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

[Musings on "power" deleted]

> This is rather secondary, however, to the topic of the thread, yes?

No, it isn't.

> To review, the title:  Publicity.

Yes, I think everyone was aware that the subject line
reads "Re: Publicity".  So what?

> The originations of the thread:  Homosexuals as an 'issue' in the 
> Presidential election.  The god-damn, mother-fucking PRESIDENTIAL
> election!

You're obviously quite new here.  There's no way you can control
how a thread develops.  If people are interested in discussing
the "god-damn, mother-fucking PRESIDENTIAL election" with you
using your definitions of "power" and "politics", they will.  If 
they'd rather discuss the OCA and the Republican party's tradition 
of whipping up racist, misogynist and homophobic frenzy in the
populace, they'll discuss that instead.  People will discuss whatever
they want to and no amount of tantrum-throwing will change that
fact of life here on the net.  Besides, I think you're not taking
into account how what you claim are merely rhetorical attacks on
fags and dykes really do pollute the atmosphere and make it that
much more difficult for said fags and dykes to enjoy the blessings
of liberty in this great land o' ours.

Arne




Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:54:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


|>
|>And you again fail to address the point I made above.  Is it possible
|>for members of a minority to act in ways that defeat group goals?

/(schiles)
/Whose group, Bob?  Who is defining these goals?  And which minority?  I
/rather suspect that we are all in the minority.               



Doesn't matter whose group.  Doesn't matter what minority.

The question is an abstract:  is it possible that it could ever happen?  

If yes, describe what it looks like.
If no, then describe why it is impossible.
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Date: 13 Sep 1992 01:19:41 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep11.075229.8607@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I can think of one counterexample, which I claim by your counting has
>no grooves at all - the fourth side of Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music.
>The last track is locked into itself, forming an endless loop of
>feedback noise hell. I listened to it for 3 hours once and became
>convinced that I was hearing voices.
>
>If you have actually listened to this album, drop me a note.

Yeah, I listened to that album once ... was very relaxing :-) and had
fun liner notes.
 
I've seen/heard various records with more than one groove on a side
... the Monty Python has already been mentioned, the one with Laurie
Anderson and William Burroughs had as its third conspirator John
Giorno (there's one part where Giorno is ranting over and over again
something like "I'm standing in the kitchen washing the dishes with a
plastic sponge" that an ex-SO liked to imitate at random times). There
was one Non record made up of many grooves in circles rather than one
long one in a spiral ... many many discrete "songs".  My DJ friend
would leave this repeating on the air and every once in a while whack
the record player to make the needle jump to a new song.  And hey, I
even had a MAD Magazine record with many different grooves/stories on
one side.
 
Memories, memories ...

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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:23:58 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>>>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>>>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>>>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>>>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."

>Unfortunately, the whole thing is a hoax; the Austrian newspaper
>that originally reported this has admitted that the whole thing
>was made up (at least about Otzi having cum up his bum).

>We recieved a faxed warning about this story at work yesterday,
>from the source that originally distributed it.

Aw, DAMN.  Damn DAMN *DAMN*!  I was so completely *transported* by this
story that I *dreamed* about it last night.

Pout.

--Brent

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Straight Stereotypes (was Re: To Laura)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.010331.4896@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>If there were a TV show that featured a gay character, and the individual
>was written into the script to be nelly, campy, etc. the gay community
>would react in protest, saying that the show "furthered negative
>stereotypes and fueld homophobia".  
>
>I have seen mail-in campaigns over this kind of stuff before.  If there 
>were such a show right now, I am sure that some of the soc.motss folks would 
>be among the first to call the network and complain.
>
>How can some gays insist that such behavior is OK and not up for 
>examination, then turn around and complain when a TV show has a character 
>portraying that same behavior?

A while ago you wrote a message that Chinese people are (justifiably) annoyed
when the media portrays them exclusively as restaurant owners, laundrymen,
and near-sighted engineers.

If you are Chinese and are a near-sighted engineer, should you change
professions to further the cause of Chinese people?

If you are Chinese and own a restaurant or laundry, should you sell it?

If you are Black, and enjoy watermelon or fried chicken, should you stop
eating it?

If you are Jewish, should you not shop around for a good bargain?

If you are Irish, should you never drink alcohol?

Stereotypes are bad.  Society's perpetrating stereotypes is bad.
Acting in a way that happens to coincide with a stereotype is not bad.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Colonel Gilbert and his wife, Louise, came in after dinner; both of them had
wooden legs, with which they could do all sorts of entertaining tricks.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: AB2601/3825
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:10:56 GMT

tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:

>Well, I had called a while ago urging the gov to not only get
>his butt in gear with our budget, but to also sign AB2601.  At
>that time, the wonderfully cheerful male operator at the 916)
>445-2841 number asked for my name.
 Did he ask where you lived, also?

>Just now, I got off the phone asking our be-budgeted gov to
>sign AB3825, too.  I called the 213) 897-0322 number this
>time.  I got a sorta tired sounding male who didn't ask for my
>name.
Hmm, well that's interesting that they aren't consistent...

And does anyone know whethe AB-3019 is on his desk ALSO, and whether AB-3019 is 
a copy of AB-2601 or is it a copy of last year's AB-101 which Wilson DID Veto?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
According to SPY Magazine, George Bush has had extra-marital sex with 6 women.
The one they named is JENNIFER FITZGERALD.
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Cops and 60 Minutes
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:07:15 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1959trINN994@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
writes:
} In article <1992Sep15.001438.26765@microsoft.com> 
} bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
} 
} [...]
} |  Mike Wallace said, "But we've all seen the gay pride parades with
} | the prancing and mincing around, people acting out roles and such".  The
} | response was "But they're only a tiny minority of our community.  They
} | don't represent the mainstream.  WE ARE the mainstream."
} |
} | It is so nice to have someone else state exactly what I have been 
} | saying.
} 
} Oh, puh-leeze.  That is *not* what you've been saying.
} What you've been saying is that nellies and drag queens
} and the like are unnatural and bad and that the gay/lesbian
} community will not be tolerated by straights until we drive
} the nellies and drags out into the wilderness.

Are mainstream gays supposed to be gay versions of straight men for the mere  
and superficial "acceptance" of Straight White Male America?  That sounds like  
a hoax ...

Donald
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: political t-shirts
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep6.011142.13713@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> my story is about my READ MY LIPS t-shirt.  which i wore all day
> wednesday,

Maybe 547-7323 would make a nice phone number?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*Pooter* n. a petit bourgeois, conventional and unimaginative"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Summary: And another...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.154447.25172@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> > Now that Kathy's signalled the beginning
> > of a good accordion bash, [ ... ]
> 
> Goody!
> 
> Q:  If you drop an accordion and a banjo off the roof
>     at the same time, which hits the ground first?
> 
> A:  Who cares?

Having played one of these things as a child, I take great pleasure in
offering the following:

   Q:  What's the difference between a trampoline and an accordian?

   A:  You're supposed to take your shoes off before you jump on a trampoline.


                **"Hey man, need any spare change?"**

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From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)
Subject: Re: do you see this?
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Northwest, Beaverton Oregon
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:03:41 GMT

In article <92251.072418IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>gretchen writes some things, and i reply:
>
>hey beautiful!  what's the school ssytem like in portland?  are
>there many parks and things that little kids would like?

If you mean Portland, Oregon, the schools are great. And I'm
here to tell you that the majority of straights inside the
portland metro area despise the OCA. (sadly, more of Oregon is
like springfield than portland).

>
>                                   -ailsa

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:26:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep9.161015.3854@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>In article <x=sndkn.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.032257.9109@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>
>>>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>>>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>>>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>>>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
>
>>That's silly,  What made them think he enjoyed it? 
>
>	Wouldn't you?

Not in the snow, I wouldn't. 
 
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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: InterOp Fall 92!  motss get-together?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:37:29 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Sep10.141352.12894@nstn.ns.ca> daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes:
  [excuse the non-motss digression]

|This year, the Internet Bicycle, BEHEMOTH, will be the main feature
|novelty.  BEHEMOTH is a 105-speed recumbent bicycle with an onboard network
|of Mac, PC, Unix system with UUCP email and news, cellular phone, modem
|fax, satellite dish, ham radio, heads-up display, handlebar chording
|keyboard, speech synthesizer/security system, and stereo.

You should really try to see this.  It's amazing.  (And it's got
Internet, not UUCP, access for e-mail and news, via the satellite
antenna and a host in San Diego.  Steve has an Internet address which
I've unfortunately forgotten.)

	/JBL
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Kids in the Hall on CBS
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:37:22 GMT


I accidentally left the article at home, but the current
TV Guide mentions the fact that CBS has picked up The Kids
in the Hall. TVG says it will be playing late at night (or
early in the morning -- according to how you think of time).
I don't remember if it is supposed to play every night, or
just one night a week. Sorry. I'm 28 and addlepated.


Buddy Cole Fan,
Rendell
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: wanted: Gay/Lesbian professional group in S. Cal
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:29:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.152952.12330@ecst.csuchico.edu> rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>A friend of mine is a lesbian, computer professional in Southern California.
>She is looking for groups/activities that allow her to meet similar people.
>I know there is (was?) a group in the S.F. bay area called High Tech Gays.
>Does this group or anything similar to it exist in S. Cal?

Yes.  The Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Scientists and Engineers (LAGLS).

Call Barbara at 818 791-7689 for more info.
Next monthly meetings are Sept 13 in Huntington Beach and Oct 14 in LA.
This Sunday's potluck is 1-5 PM at 16362 Magellan Lane, HB.  This is near the Golden
West exit off the 405 freeway.

There are other groups for more business-oriented professionals.
All these organizations are listed in the LA GL Yellow Pages available at
most GL community centers.

The S CA organizations tend to have more singular interests than HTG.
If you want to do the political stuff you join one kind, the professional
stuff, another, and the social stuff, still others.
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:49:07 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <12235@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)  
writes:
> I should be fair: there are people that are anxious to "eliminate
> undesire factions."  Anyone remember the well known civil libertarian
> (in his own words) Vincent Manis:
> 
> #None of this relates to the OCA of course. It is my earnest hope that
> #they all have red-hot pokers shoved up their butts, and are then
> #beheaded and their heads put on pikestaffs outside the state
> #legislature.
> 
> Now THAT'S an expression of a Nazi-like desire, and doubtless
> the reason that Manis is so popular with the crowd in soc.motss.

Now THAT's an example of someone who completely and totally misses the  
point of a posting.

(For those who don't know Vince, or didn't read the original posting, let  
me assure you that the above was written to be sardonic and hyperbolic.  
Could anyone but Clayton have taken it seriously?)

-Anthony
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: misogyny (previous subject line deleted)
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:22:52 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <92255.192114IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>,
IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> (yes, my account lives - for the moment)

It's the *only* way to live!
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:28:21 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly):
> The only thing
> more shocking would be to see e-hugs from Henry Mensch or
> George Madison or Jake Coughlin.  Or Clay Bond.

i don't e-hug; i smooch.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Couldn't happen in Lafayette, IN...
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:59:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BuA3tI.IzE@news.udel.edu> conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.212534.3597@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>>If it passes, Lafayette would be the first community in
>>Indiana to have such a clause (this according to the article in the
>>Lafayette Journal and Courier -- on the front page, no less).
>That latter assertion surprises me, but I guess it depends on how you
>count it.
>
>In fact, Bloomington IN passed such a policy in the mid 1970s.  I was at
>the town meeting where the vote took place (I believe it was not even
>the first in Indiana at the time).
>
>A year or so later, the state of Indiana rescinded the clause, saying
>only the state was entitled to decide about discrimination.
>
>It sounds like they have changed their minds now (or had it changed for
>them).  Perhaps Lafayette is the first attempt since that time?
In the early 80s, the state of Indiana passed the "Home Rule" law,
allowing local communities to pass laws more specific than the
state's (before, no law could be passed with extra assertions than
the state allowed).  True, the Bloomington policy was rescinded, and
Lafayette was the first to try since then.

However, the ordinance did not pass.  Last night was the second
reading of the amended ordinance.  Over thirty people spoke before
the council.  By my count, 11 were in favor, 15 opposed (five were
unclear in their position).  Each councilman was allowed to make a
statement before their final vote.  One said that she thought very
deeply about the issue, and talked it over with her minister -- she
voted "yes".  Another was unable to make a decision until the very
last moment -- he voted "yes", primarily because of the rude
behavior of those opposed to the ordinance (there was the usual
heckling, scoffing, etc.).  The second reading passed 4-3.  That's
when I left.

Apperently, later that evening, there was some further concern over
the ordinance.  Several people (including a local lawyer) mentioned
the "fact" that "sexual orientation" includes pedophilia,
bestiality, and the like, and that inclusion of this phrase was
unacceptable, unless the council defined the phrase more adequately.
A total of four votes were taken, and the final vote was 5-3 against
the ordinance -- the woman who talked with her minister changed her
mind.  I don't understand it, either.  (The final vote tally was
according to WLFI-18 news.)

On the whole, I was surprised we even got this far.  Councilman
Ledbetter, who introduced the amendment, will try again in the near
future.

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
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