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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: HELP with song lyrics/name/artist
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:24:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.083209.25426@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>
>Hi.
>i hope someone can help me out with this.
>
>there is a song that is really strange lyrics that was played to me when I
>was a kid a lot..
>i just remember the chorus kinda goes something like this:
>
>smoke coca-cola cigarettes
>drink wrigley spearmint beer
>.....  (don't remember)
>makes your wife's complextion clear
>
>midasize your tires with a Hersheys' candy bar
>......
>
>help?  please?
>
>thanks much!
>ben

Ben

That is "The Billboard Song", recorded by Homer and Jethro in the early 50's.
The premise is that a storm has ripped off parts of billboard ads, showing
other parts of previous ads underneath mixing with the current ones, thus

"Kennel Ration Dog Food
Makes your wife's complexion clear."

Other combos are:

Chew chocolate-covered mothballs
They always satisfy;
Brush your teeth with Lifebouy soap
And watch the suds go by.

Take your next vacation
In a brand new Frigidaire
Learn to play piano
In your winter underwear.

Doctors say that babies
Shouldn't smoke till they are three;
People over thirty-five
Take baths in Lipton Tea.


There are more, but they don't all come freshly to mind.

I had a copy of that record when I was a kid, but haven't thought about it in
about 40 years.  Where on earth did you hear it?

TH
From: belyaev@eldpa.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: HELP with french folk songs
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:21:34 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hi,
Does anybody can send me the words of the french folk songs? I am study
French and use the songs for this.
Your assistance will be very helpful for me. Thank you.

-Yourii.

Please, use for reply my personal e-mail: belyaev@eldp.epfl.ch
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Help me, please
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Two requests, neither really folk, but this is the only music group I
read regularly, and YOU GUYS ARE GOOD.

1. Anybody know who did a song called "Passage 17", probably early 70's?

2. Title/Artist for a song where they rattle off, at high speed, music-related
   bits, with a chorus that goes something like,

            Life is a rock,
            But my radio rolled me.
            Gotta turn it up louder,
            So my DJ told me.

Thanks, folks.

--f2
From: takoosma@utkvx3.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: klezmer
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvx3.16OCT199216574537
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct16.192127.6204@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu (larry fiddick) writes...
> 
>could someone help me out, i've been wanting to buy some klezmer music,
>but so many klezmer bands have such cutesy names that i don't really take
>them seriously. i fear that they're trying to pull off some half baked
>fusion like later 3 mustaphas 3 releases. can anyone suggest some good
>titles. now i'm not against nontraditionalists (lest you got that
>impression from what i wrote above); it's just if they are going to
>stretch the boundaries the results should have some aesthetic merit other
>than innovation.

First of all, get yourself of copy of Folkways FSS 43021, "Klezmer Music
1910-1942, Recordings from the YIVO Archives".  Global Village has put out
a collection of Dave Tarras' recordings as well as a wonderful tape by the
violinist Emil Bruh.  

For contemporary klezmer I recommend Henry Sapoznik's band Kapelye, the
Berkeley-based band Klezmorim, and anything that involves Andy Statman,
especially his recording with tsimbalist Zev Feldman if you can find it.
(The tsimbal is a variation on a hammer dulcimer traditional in East
European music.)

Who are these cutesy named klezmer bands you're avoiding?

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Need used guitar info
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:02:33 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>Did anybody happen to save the very informative posting about
>some shop in Michigan (as I recall) that delt in used acoustic
>guitars?  I foolishly neglected to extract that posting and now
>it's gone from my news server.

The shop you are probably thinking of is:

Elderly Music
1100 N. Washington
Lansing, MI

(517) 372-7880


They have a little of EVERYTHING.
From: was@ils.nwu.edu (Wayne Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: LESBIGAY MUSICIAN NAMES NEEDED.
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:09:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac75.was-131092110444
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences

In article <PDPRBNCQ@cc.swarthmore.edu>, jacob@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jacob
Mattison) wrote:
> 
> Your basic, typical heterosexual love song is a POLITICAL argument for a
> patriarchal, heterosexist society.  Lesbian/bisexual/gay love songs are
> revolutionary political acts.
>                                                   Jacob
> -- 
>                               Jacob Mattison
> jacob@cs.swarthmore.edu                    If God meant people to be bisexual, 
> jmattis1@cc.swarthmore.edu                 there would be two sexes.
> "It's a thingie!  A fiendish thingie!" -George Harrison, _Help_

This may be true, but only in the very broadest sense.  You overstate your
case to quite an extreme here.  Judging from the volume of posts in this
thread, a great number of very mainstream artists write or have written
"gay-positive" songs.  The revolution ain't here yet.

Michelle Shocked said in an interview that she saw her music as
"entertainment for the troops" in the political struggle for a better
world.  The (unfortunate?) fact is that "gay-positive" music plays to a
"gay-positive" audience - and not to many others.  That is, I assume, why
whoever began this felt the need to start up a radio show to address the
issue - because non "gay-positive" music plays to a mostly non
"gay-positive" audience, as well.

Besides, love songs don't make very good arguments.

  wayne

Wayne A. Schneider
Institute for the Learning Sciences
1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201
was@ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Subject: Re: What ever became of Uncle Bonsai?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:07:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> Their album "Boys Want Sex in the Morning" is still listed in PhonoLog
> as being in print on LP and cassette, but not CD.  Does anyone know if
> it is in fact available (in any format), and if so where?

I just bought a copy on CD about a month ago.  It's great!

email me if you want the label and catalog number (it's at home).

JudyM
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:6858 rec.music.misc:24850
From: leighann@alpine.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Steeleye Span Song
Keywords: Usenet Artists Polls
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:35:44 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc., Emeryville, CA

In article <1992Sep22.215729.12043@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:
|> 	Oh, when I was a tailor, I carried my bodkin and shears.
|> 	When I was a weaver, I carried my rood and my gear.
|> 	My temples also, my small clothes and reed in my hand.
           ^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	And wherever I go, there's the jolly bold weaver again.

I sing it as "templates" and "shuttle" (why would this guy be carrying
around his underwear, after all... ;-).

	- Leigh Ann

----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
"They're mine!  All mine!  And what's mine is mine!" - Daffy Duck
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: al@iris.claremont.edu (Aotearoa)
Subject: Altan, Kennedy
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:44:26 GMT

Before I had any concrete interest in Altan (a dark age indeed), I recall
hearing that Frankie Kennedy had/has a rather serious disease of some sort.
How is he doing?  Are there any touring plans for the future, specifically
in the Southern California area.

I know there already has been tons of adoration poured upon Altan by some
members of this newsgroup, but...  They produce what is to my ears the most
beautiful music on earth, bar none.
-- 
Michael L. Medlin      al@iris.claremont.edu

"I KNOW A GUY NAMED LARRY!"
--Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Shawn Colvin?
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:42:11 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA
Wombat: yes
Number: 8542

According to the last "to-be-released" list I saw, Shawn's new album (Fat
City) was supposed to be released Oct. 6.  Did the release date slip again,
or is my local Tower just not with it?


--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: The Story
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.183109.10378@coe.montana.edu> cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski) writes:
   I think there has been some chatter on the network before about the
   female duo The Story, but I forgot what was said about them.  Can
   anyone recommend them?  What about their album "Grace in Gravity?"
   Is it worth getting?  I've heard the music of Disappear Fear and don't
   care for it very much.  How does The Story compare with them?  Better,
   or about the same?

I don't know Disappear Fear except by name, so I can't answer that part.
I've enjoyed hearing The Story in concert (twice) and on the radio quite
frequently.  The album is quite faithful to their live sound.  The
songs are well-written, sometimes funny, musically interesting and
unusual.  The closest sound I can think of is The Roches.  There are
strange vocal harmonies and dissonances.  Certainly very high quality.
On the other hand, I don't find myself playing Grace and Gravity very
often, as I tend to prefer more traditional-sounding tunes that are
more singable.

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: s0319198@let.rug.nl (E.B. Meijerink)
Subject: Ray Fisher
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:57:17 GMT

Does anybody know if (or when) the Scottish singer Ray Fisher is coming to 
Europe? I met her some time ago. She's a great singer with a distinctive (
is that the correct english word?) voice. I heard some rumours that she 
might be coming over to play in Europe, and I'd love to hear her perform 
again. (Especially the song 'on the upstairs fast going doon.')

---
Erik Meijerink
University of Groningen
The Netherlands
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: The Story and other local artists was: Re: The Story
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:09:12 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <7MVRB114@cc.swarthmore.edu> jacob@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jacob Mattison) writes:

>Fear.  I would describe The Story as a cross between Indigo Girls and 
>Suzanne Vega.  Interesting harmonies and strange, ethereal lyrics.  I like 
>the album a lot, but I knew all the songs on it from live shows, which 
>probably helps- they're even better live.

  I agree that they are better live. Sadly, "Grace in Gravity" just
doesn't click for me. On disk, the Story are as ethereal as Vega at
her most misty, but I would not compare them to the Indigo girls. They
have artistry but not that much energy. You could comparte them to the
Roches, I guess, but the humor is much lighter.
    I stopped listening to the CD, gave it a listen last week to see
if it sounded different after time. 
   
>The album is now quite widely available- I believe they're now being 
>distributed by Elektra instead of the small CT label they were with.
   I have the Green Linnet CD.  Part of what happened is that the
Story got a big buildup around here as the next Suzanne Vega/Tracy
Chapman/Shawn Colvin....whatever... that's a hard sort of billing to
live up to. When I saw them live last year they seemed a bit rattled
by it. Told some incomprehensible touring stories.
   I remember seeing them at the Nameless Coffeehouse, performing as
"Jonatha and Jennifer". We never could get the paper to spell their name
right.  They really shone.
   (The Nameless was an interesting place. I auditionned Tracy Chapman
in 1984 or so, when she was a Tufts student. She was a regular
performer at the Nameless for several years. Played at our 20th
birthday party in 1987. Then she cut her album and stopped talking to
us.) 
     
PS Suzanne Vega's  new CD sounds better and better....It is really
growing on me! 

  Suzanne Vega, speaking of the local community, *is* someone who
keeps in touch. She and Shawn Colvin interrupted their album recording
a year or so ago to do a benefit, with Bill Morrisey, for Passim's,
Bob and Rae Ann Donlin's  club which has given so many great artists 
their first exposure.  
   I was at Shawn Colvin's concert at Paine Hall the month she signed
her first album concert. When we got into the hall there was a white
carnation on every seat. She wanted to say "thanks" for supporting her
over the years. That's class. 
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: another odd word
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:00:35 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I think that a "doffer" is the person who has to switch the spools of
thread on weaving machines (but don't ask where that little piece of
trivia came from) Young girls were used to do this very dangerous job
because they were small and could fit between the narrow rows of
machines. Just my guess.
   My Random House lists "doff" as meaning to remove or take off
clothing or to tip a hat, or to get rid off.
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From: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Altan, Advise Please
Reply-To: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:03:26 GMT

ALTAN has several;

Frankie KENNEDY/MAIREAD NI MHAONAIGH/ALTAN
THE RED CROW
HORSE WITH A HEART
HARVEST STORM

These are the few that I'm aware of.

You can mail order them from:
GREEN LINNET
43 Beaver Brook Road
Danbury, CT 06810
(203) 730 0333



	
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From: wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
Subject: Re: Lucinda Williams concert info?
Originator: wegeng@ogre
Organization: Xerox
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:35:31 GMT

I saw Lucinda Williams at the Philly Folk Festival, and in all honesty
must say that her performance was the biggest disapointment of the
weekend.  She spent more time complaining about the stage sound
system than she did playing music.  I can appreciate that such
problems are annoying to performers, but her whining was very
annoying (and IMHO unprofessional).  Other performers throughout
the weekend also had problems, but they all managed to give a
reasonable performance anyway (they understood that the audience
wanted to hear music).  Lucinda didn't seem to care very much
about the audience.  I would not go out of my way to see her again.

/Don
wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: gawne@stsci.edu
Subject: Need used guitar info
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:53:22 GMT

Did anybody happen to save the very informative posting about
some shop in Michigan (as I recall) that delt in used acoustic
guitars?  I foolishly neglected to extract that posting and now
it's gone from my news server.

The posting also contained very good advice concerning string
gauge size etc...  

Please either post here or e-mail to me if you happen to have
it laying around in your electronic clutter.

-Bill Gawne
From: meyer@brahma.edsg.hac.com (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Uncle Bonsai status
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: meyer@tcville.HAC.COM (Mike Meyer)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA


Inspired by the recent spate of Uncle-Bonsai related postings, I
called the Electric Bonsai Band Concert Line, (206)527-3546.

Andrew is currently mixing the second Electric Bonsai Band record,
"But I'm Happy Now".  "I am Joe's Eyes" is still available.

In "late October",  "Myn and Wymyn" will finally be coming out on
CD, along with a collection called "the inessential Uncle Bonsai".
This collection will include all of the songs on the first two 
recordings, "Lonely Grain of Corn," and "Boys Want Sex In the Morning."
These will be different live recordings of all the songs, from "festivals
and radio shows."  



Each CD will be available for $15 from 

EBB Productions
9102 - 17th NE
Seattle, WA 98115-3212


Mike

Mike Meyer				meyer@tcville.HAC.COM
Image and Signal Processing Lab		
Hughes Aircraft EDSG, El Segundo CA
"Shit happens, but it doesn't *just* happen." -- The Karma Police
From: killops@ssd.intel.com (Scott Killops)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: klezmer
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:43:34 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.

In article <16OCT199216574537@utkvx3.utk.edu>, takoosma@utkvx3.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
|>  
|> For contemporary klezmer I recommend Henry Sapoznik's band Kapelye, the
|> Berkeley-based band Klezmorim...

I'll second the vote for Klezmorim.  I noticed in my local record store a
couple months back that a compilation CD of Klezmorim's first two lps is
out.  Don't recall the label, though.

Chow, Scott
killops@ssd.intel.com
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Altan, Kennedy
Summary: He seems OK ...
Keywords: Frankie Kennedy health
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:17:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct13.201727.27186
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I saw Frankie perform in Dublin last month ... he looked great and sounded
great, and seemed to be in fine form.  As far as specifics on the current
state of his health, I've only heard that his recovery is progressing very
well.

Chuck

-- 
          ,                                          
  Charles Eamon Taggart   | "Time and space are playing games with people 
     eamon@netcom.com     |  who don't understand / You can't talk about
   eamont@well.sf.ca.us   |  the weather when you've killed the weatherman."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu (larry fiddick)
Subject: klezmer
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:21:27 GMT


could someone help me out, i've been wanting to buy some klezmer music,
but so many klezmer bands have such cutesy names that i don't really take
them seriously. i fear that they're trying to pull off some half baked
fusion like later 3 mustaphas 3 releases. can anyone suggest some good
titles. now i'm not against nontraditionalists (lest you got that
impression from what i wrote above); it's just if they are going to
stretch the boundaries the results should have some aesthetic merit other
than innovation.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mhessman@world.std.com (Mark D Hessman)
Subject: Re: The Story
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:13:22 GMT

cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski) writes:
>
>I think there has been some chatter on the network before about the
>female duo The Story, but I forgot what was said about them.  Can
>anyone recommend them?  What about their album "Grace in Gravity?"
>Is it worth getting?  I've heard the music of Disappear Fear and don't
>care for it very much.  How does The Story compare with them?  Better,
>or about the same?

I'd like to give a HIGHLY positive recommendation; this duo has been making
the most interesting folk music I've heard in a long time. The description
somebody else has put forth -- Indigo Girls + Suzanne Vega -- is a start,
but the Story is subtler, more lyrical, and more affecting than this
would imply.

I've heard Disappear Fear once on Mountain Stage and had an indifferent
response; they try for the same effect, but I don't think they come very
close, relatively speaking. The Story's music ranges from intensely personal
(you won't be able to forget "Just One Word" for a while) to eclectic (an
a cappella cover of an e. e. cummings poem) to hilarious (the Gary Larson-
inspired "Dog Dreams").

The one thing I dislike about the album is that it doesn't have all of the
gems they perform in concert; what it does have, however, is marvelous. It
provides a great introduction to their style and their songs, and I'd
recommend it without hesitation... but what I'd recommend more than anything
else is to see them in concert.

Hopefully the new major-label deal will get them some much-deserved attention.
Failing that, hopefully this posting will.   =)


                                                     -- Mark


Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Subject: Altan, Advise Please
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:24:22 GMT

Could someone please tell me which Altan album I should buy 1st
as I don't have enuogh money to buy them all at the moment and don't
want to buy one that might deter me from buying more (if I don't like it)

Thanks in advance ,
                    Peter.
From: jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Silver Dagger....
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:15:12 GMT
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)

In article <9636@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> sfee@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Sandie Fee) writes:
>Greetings all,
>
>I was wondering is anyone out there remembers a song called Silver Dagger. I
>think it was by Joan Baez but I'm not sure. I would like to get the words and
>guitar chords if anyone knows them.

"Silver Dagger" is also known as "Katy Dear," which is the name under which
Ian and Sylvia recorded the song.  (Grammarians: does one "cover" a
traditional folk song, or only a song with known authors?)  I'm sure it's in
an old Sing Out!, in the Joan Baez songbook, or possibly in Rise Up Singing
(although I can't remember seeing it in there).

-- 
Jim Dalin            "No Salga Afuera"  
AT&T                    N.Y.C.T.A.
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Compuserve: 72260,1573
From: jac@nextdoor.Corp.Sun.COM (Jim Christianson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Flower of Scotland - lyrics wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:39:11 GMT
Reply-To: jac@nextdoor.Corp.Sun.COM (Jim Christianson)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nextdoor.corp.sun.com

If someone knows the lyrics to Flower of Scotland, would 
you please send them to me?

Much appreciated,
Jim Christianson
james.christianson@Corp.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk