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From: jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:21:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta

In <C0A7J9.7tL@NeoSoft.com> jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:

Bzzzzt..... Flawed analogy alert!!!!

>Think of it in these terms...  The public highway system is available to
>anyone who has a drivers license.  If you choose to ride the city bus, you 
>can do this for 75 cents and get to your destination.  If I choose to buy
>a Porsche, I spend $30,000 and get to my destination.  We are both using the
>same public road.  

>Does your right to drive on a public road give you the right to use my Porsche
>anytime you want, for free, just because you have a drivers license?  No it
>doesn't.

So in your analogy, if you buy a porsche, no one else can use the
road???? That seems to be the closed repeater approach. 

By your analogy, I can share the repeater input and output of the public
frequency, I just cannot drive your car.

OK, use DPL, PL, morse, whatever to keep me from using your "porsche".
Just do not whine if I use your output frequency while you are not using
it. We will go back to "first on frequency" HF rules???

flawed discussion deleted....

>in HF nets, but you don't hear me bitching about how they are wasting the
>public airwaves.

An HF net will gripe loudly, but will slide over 2-3Khz if someone is on
the net frequency. They may ask if the station would move, but they will
not (legally) start a net in a freq that is in use.

 Alan Barrow  km4ba | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack
 jab@atl.hp.com     | ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched
                    | C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
 ..!gatech!kd4nc!   | All those moments will be lost in time -
         km4ba!alan | like tears in rain. Time to die.          Roy Batty
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jayk@fc.hp.com (Jay Kesterson X4027)
Subject: Re: YX0AI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: jayk@fc.hp.com
Organization: CW is FUN!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

I finally received my YX0AI cards last Friday. So it seems that the cards
are still slowly coming out.

73, Jay  K0GU        jayk@fc.hp.com
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From: wes@boi.hp.com (Wes Nielson)
Subject: Re: QSL status of YX0AI
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:49:27 GMT
Reply-To: wes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Tom Skelton (tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM) wrote:
: Some of the locals on the packetcluster report that QSL's from the 
: most recent AVES ISLAND expedition are trickling in.  One guy has
: sent cards to three different addresses and still doesn't have one,
: and this is a new one for him.  Anyone out there have any good info
: on what's really happening? tnx! 73, Tom WB4IUX
: 
: -- 

I received a qsl for a 75m ssb contact (sent to the origional address) and one
for 10m ssb which was sent to the new address several months later. I can't
remember exactly when I received them, but it has been several months. I
have not received a qsl for 40m ssb which was sent to the origional address.

--

Wes Nielson WZ7J
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lkay@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (leonard kay)
Subject: Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:59:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, 
sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> 
> Here's a hypothetical situation I've been wondering about:
> 
> Say I'm a ham operator (hopefully in the next few months!) and I have a
> favorite frequency (not claiming it of course) that I like to conduct
> QSO's on.  My friends have shortwave receivers and I tell them to tune
> to that frequency if they want to hear me on the radio.
> 
> My transmissions are not meant to be one way, for them, so does this
> violate the no one-way broadcasting rule?
> 
> I'm conducting normal QSO's in this situation, not acknowelding that
> my friends are listening (saying hello to them, etc.).
> 
> Is this legal??
> 

Of course !!


> 
> Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
> 
> Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
> shortwave listeners?
> 
> A long time ago I was actually tempted to do this (send a reception report
> to a ham I heard on the air) but the signal faded before I could hear
> the address he was giving.
> 
> 
> Simon
> 

Not unusual at all. I routinely get 1 or 2 SWL cards with every package 
of cards from the bureau. In fact in several countries (well, maybe
not any more with the collapse of the East bloc) prospective hams were
required to collect a certain number of reception report QSLs before
obtaining their licenses. The ARRL QSL bureau system even has an
SWL incoming bureau.

Welcome to hamdom!

73, Len


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Who do repeater coordinators represent?
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:40:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.143616.19209@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cep4478@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.E. Piggott ) writes:
>
>One problem is that there is no practical way to say, "There are enough
>two meter repeaters in this area - try 900 or 1200".  As a 'self-
>regulated' radio service, we aren't doing a very good job in this
>respect.  Amateur radio is by no means isolated, either - two examples
>close to home are a 450 commercial repeater on campus, so that the
>stage crew can talk in a one-mile radius around campus, and an
>STL frequency given to our campus broadcast station so they can
>link the studio to the transmitter -- 1/4 mile away.

The FCC is dealing fairly aggressively with the commercial frequency
problems. In land mobile service, they've long required channel
sharing, and now trunking and cellular are the buzzwords in favor. 
And in broadcast STL use, I just completed supervising the
mandated upgrading of three STL links from 4 foot to 8 foot dishes
on each end so that the frequencies could be spatially reused by
other broadcast stations in the area. At microwave, it's routine
to reuse the frequencies based on careful path analysis and narrow
beams. 

Amateurs' continued insistance on exclusive channels with wide 
area omni coverage is increasingly out of step with commercial
practice. Wide area exclusive coverage does have advantages in
amateur use in that it allows a large number of mobile users to
communicate. Thus *open* repeaters with wide coverage and exclusive
channels serve a valid purpose. I don't think local machines, or
closed machines with few users, serve this purpose well, however,
and should likely be required to use channel sharing schemes such
as PL anti-PL and the like. Ideally, the closed system owners
would *cooperate* and establish trunking systems to give wide
area coverage to their users on shared channel space and equipment.

Gary
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534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: kchen@Apple.COM (Kok Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Aluminum tubes in Bay Area.
Keywords: Aluminum, Antennas
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:14:11 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nat@kpc.com (Natarajan Gurumoorthy) writes:

> Could someone suggest some other
> source for the tubing in the Bay area.

Try Allen Steel (yeah, yeah, I know it says steel, but they have aluminium,
copper, brass, and other stuff too) just off US 101 around Belmont/San Carlos
(Bay side of the freeway).  A surplus place.  Bring your own hack saw.
They will also cut for you for a small fee.

73,

Kok Chen, AA6TY				kchen@apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 09:50:27 CET
From: <WKOEHLER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject:    Ex Czecho-Slovakia

At midnight on December 31, 1992, the state of Czechoslovakia ceased to
exist after 74 years. For those interested, a few factual data:

Founded in 1918 after the fall of the Habsburg Empire (Austria-Hungary),
divided in 1939 and liberated and re-united in 1945. Under communist rule
since 1948. Renamed as Czechoslovak Socialist Republic around 1960.
So-called 'Prague Spring' ('Socialism with a human face') lead to the
invasion of East block armies in 1968. Federation since 1969. Fall of the
communist regime in December 1989. Renamed as Czechoslovak Federal Republic
in 1990. In 1992 Slovak parliament declares independence, negotiations and
mutual agreements follow, eventually peaceful dissolution of the federation.

Here are a few data about the two new states:

Official English name:    Czech Republic               Slovak Republic
Short names:  English:    Czechia                      Slovakia
              Native:     Cesko                        Slovensko
              German:     Tschechien                   Slowakei
                          (not: Tschechei!)
Capital:      English:    Prague                       Bratislava
              Native:     Praha                        Bratislava
              German:     Prag                         Pressburg
Consisting of:English:    Bohemia and Moravia          Slovakia
              Native:     Cechy a Moravy               Slovensko
              German:     Boehmen und Maehren          Slowakei
Population (approx.):     10.6 millions                5.3 millions
Minorities:               Slovaks, Poles, Germans,     Czechs, Hungarians,

Area (approx.):           79,000 sq. km                49,000 sq. km
                          30,000 sq. mi.               19,000 sq. mi.
                          (slightly smaller than       (same as New Hampshire
                          Maine or South Carolina)     and Mass. combined)
ITU allocation of
    callsigns:            OKA-OLZ                      OMA-OMZ
Amateur radio prefixes:   OK, OL                       OM
CQ zone:                  15                           15
Geographical coordinates
    (centre of country):  50.0N 14.0E                  48.5N 20.0E
DXCC status:              unknown so far but doubtlessly to be recognized
                          as two separate countries soon

Hope this is of interest to some of you on the net.

73 & CU on the bands,
Wolf.
DL3ZBJ, AB6EL, VK6BGV.
From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Boatanchors of old
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:29:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan12.155534.2402@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_speerjr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
|> > 
|> > Here are the advertising bullets for the -100:
|> >    o  Phone or CW on 160,80,40,20,15,11,and 10 meters.
|> >    o  Built-in VFO, modulator, and power supplies.
|> >    o  Kit includes all parts-tubes-hardware-cabinet, etc.
|> >    o  Coils are pre-wound and cables pre-harnessed.
|> >    o  High-quality components used throughout for reliable performance.
|> >    o  Features 5-point TVI suppression.
|> >    o  Easy to build from complete instructions and pictorial diagrams 
|> >       enclosed.
|> > 
|> > Don't you just wish they still offered a kit like this?
|> > Naaaah!  No bells and whistles!  And ya gotta know how to tune the finals!
|> The DX-20 was my first rig. Worked 30-some-odd states on the novice bands from
|> a bottom-loaded vertical.
|> 
|> So now, gray beard and all, I'm setting up a new station: National NC-300
|> receiver and Heath Apache transmitter (180 watts from a pair of 6146's, and
|> BEAUTIFULLY modulated AM).
|> 
|> Cheers!
|> Jim Speer, K5YUT

Wow, in 1960-1961 school year i ran Apache and NC-300 in my own room with
both on a card table.  went through 9 ARRL logbooks (remember when we had
to keep logs, and i still do) in 9 months on 40 cw.  wanna know how i
got above 70 wpm?  i thought you didn't.

refresh my memory.  1 nc-300 + 1 apache = 150 pounds or more.

i used two 1n34's back to back across the receiver input with 5 watt 150 volt
bulb in line to antenna with apache to antenna, 40 mtr inverted vee.  worked
qsk without a relay.  boy, those were the days........ ;-)

73 de k5fo  chuck  CP-60
From: FLEM%athena@leia.polaroid.COM (SKIP FLEM, NT1G, 14X17 NEWTON-1M 617-630-4482)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2 Meter Toko Helical Filter
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:19:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

	I'm looking for 3 other individuals interested in 2 meter Toko Helical 
filters TK3506-ND. DigiKey sells them for $23. @ (qty=1), however @ (qty=10)
the price is 1/2. This makes it attractive for a small group purchase;
2 for $25 with $1.25 left for postage.
       DEAL:      first three e-mail responses requesting 2 filters
                  will get replys requesting $25 checks >> NT1G

	          if there seems to be enough for single orders
                  I'll reply with the amount. (~$14)

                  NO reply, sorry; will post results.

		  Order will be going in abt Thurs, no mailing
                  'til check arrives. (per individual)
73 de Skip,NT1G   email 'flem%hydra@polaroid.com'   me 508-872-8291
     If you prefer to reply to my machine @ work       617-630-4482
ps.  check out those nifty 12 and 25 Khz 10.7Mhz IF crystal filters
     on the bottom the page 114. I can throw those in with the order, also.
     (qty. 1 price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright)
Subject: Re: QSL cards from SWLers (was Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:26:17 GMT

In article <dwarner.23@ub-gate.ub.com> dwarner@ub-gate.ub.com (Dave Warner) writes:
>
>IMHO what most SWL's are looking for is a return QSL card or just a note 
>with your callsign, transmitter type/location/power, etc., and confimation 
>of the Date/Time of the QSO referenced on the SWL card.  SWL's have  
>contests/collections, too.  Most reception reports are to Non-Amateurs (
>Radio Moscow, etc.), but confirmation is REALLY appeciated.
 
As a long long long time SWL and ham for about 15 years I agree with Dave
110%.  I just missed a qso with a VP2M a few days ago and darn near SWL qsl'd
him just to get a card.

So, when a SWL sends you a QSL, if you can confirm it, send them a card.

Regards
Ed
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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Wilful interference (was Re: 430mhz band under th)
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:43:39 GMT

In article <2991@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>In article <1993Jan04.041155.17364@ssc.com>,
>    tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>| In article <1993Jan3.010814.7938@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
>| >Suppose hams A & B start a QSO on the output of repeater C. If repeater
>| >C subsequently starts to operate and interferes with the QSO, which is
>| >NOT USING THE REPEATER ITSELF, then it is the repeater (or its users)
>| >that are guilty of interference. 
>| 
>| Nope!  This tactic was tried in LA by jammers in the 1970s...and
>| it didn't work.  They figured they had found a loophole....since the
>| repeater was not transmitting on top of THEM.  No one was amused!
>
>Agreed!  It's the same in Australia: repeater frequencies are well-known
>(they are published, and all are OPEN; also individuals cannot set up
>a repeater; only clubs etc can) so if some twits come up on a repeater
>output (deliberately or otherwise) it's their problem if the repeater
>clobbers them...  Basically, a repeater is not required to listen to its
>own output before transmitting (unlike Amateur stations).

The difference is that in the US repeaters *are* Amateur stations just
like anyone else. They have the same requirement not to transmit deliberately
over another legal transmission as any other Amateur station. It's often
difficult to do this in practice because the control operator rarely has
as good an antenna site as the repeater. Most amateurs operating on the
output frequency of an idle repeater just accept the interference when
someone kerchunks the repeater because there's little that can be done
about it. Ideally, repeaters would have output channel receivers and
refrain from transmitting when the frequency is in use, but in practice
few actually have this capability. Some that are really glorified remote
bases *do* have this capability, but it's rarely wired into the controller
logic for automatic control.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:23:51 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan5.151546.17029@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <8309@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>Fortunately for reason, the FCC disagrees. I suggest you reread 97.205(e).
>What does limiting user control of ancillary functions have to do with 
>anything in this discussion?

I guess, then, that you support limiting the right to keep and bear arms to
members of an organized militia unit...

(If you answered this point before, I missed it.)
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "Science is all in the public domain, and allows few secrets."
              -- Tom Clancy, _The Sum of all Fears_
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Subject: Re: Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:05:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211400.23948@rosevax.rosemount.com> scotbri@flower.samsung.com (Scott Brigham, corp, flower) writes:
>From article <1993Jan5.130920.2759@cas.org>, by vjh21@cas.org (Vince Herried ext 2877):
>I bought one these very things at Radio Hack.  And I think it was
>actually called "The Third Hand"(tm)!.

I found one of those in a box of junk that I bought at our club's Ham
Radio auction. I put it together and found it to be the handest little
gadget that I have ever used! If you are going to do any soldering of 
anything at all, get it! 73!

Jeff

-- 
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 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   | Henny Youngman: Will you paint my house?
 Infolinc BBS 415-778-5929 |
From: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Antenna Waterproofing (WAS Re: Ringo Ranger II performance)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:08:17 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Reply-To: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

> Gary Coffman writes:

>>[...] If you want a good gain antenna for base use, look at the 
>>Comets and Diamonds. They have more gain, at least the bigger ones, and 
>>they are mechanically more rugged...


hideg@spsd630a.erim.org (Steve Hideg) writes:

>Diamonds are more rugged, eh?

>I'm using an X-500 for a UHF repeater, and a friend has one at home. Both
>of these antennas have had major water leakage problems.


Sounds like you aren't sealing the assembly joints properly.  The
equipment for antenna sealant in the packaging is not sufficient.
There are many sealant formulas that work.  Mine is:

Go buy some Scotch 88 tape and some Scotch ScotchCoat sealant.  Both Scotch 88
and ScotchCoat are UV and cold resistant, something normal sealants
aren't.  You will have to purchase these at a professional electrical
supply house (since the ScotchCoat is considered a hazardous
material).  However, I found Scotch 88 in a Builders Square.  Expect
to pay good money for both.

Apply a layer of Scotch 88 tape to the joint, overlapping the tape half
it's width.  Brush on a layer of ScotchCoat that completely covers the
tape.  Make the coating thick, like syrup.  Allow to dry until
touchable (approx. 30 minutes).  Tape a second layer of tape over the
joint completely covering the previous layer of ScotchCoat, overlapping
the tape half it's width.  ScotchCoat the entire joint again.  Apply a
second coat after the first is dry. You can also ScotchCoat the entire
antenna if you wish as it won't effect the antenna's performance.

The joint will be VERY water tight and the tape will also help keep the
joint strong.  I also a similar procedure for coax connections.


-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
 Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tcain@brtph87.bnr.ca (Tom Cain  WB8OUE)
Subject: Re: 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:56:28 GMT

In article <16B4DE52A.WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>In article <rrgd50-050193130047@222.5.80.3>
>rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com (Chris Terwilliger) writes:
> 
>>
>>by the way...has anyone ever used tried to modulate old oven parts???
>>Seems like a good project for someone with an oven they don't use any
>>more...
>>
> 
>I've thought about doing this.  Anyone know what this would involve?
> 
There was an article on this in 73 a couple years ago.
-- 
Tom Cain  WB8OUE                             tcain@bnr.ca
disclaimer: i don't speak for nobody!
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tjf@beta.lanl.gov (Tom J Farish)
Subject: Recomendations for 2m/70cm all-mode wanted
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:40:23 GMT

I am trying to locate information and recommendations for 2m/70cm
dual-band allmode transceivers, whether mobile or base.  Are there
any users out there who'd like to email or post comments on their
rigs?  Anyone have one for sale?  What kind of bank account damage
will I have to explain to my wife for a used rig?

-Tom KD5??? (License in the mail)