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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:22 GMT

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>> 	cheap + cheap + cheap = not_so_cheap.
>> I could get a good 486 system for under $2000 if I only wanted to run PD
>> software.
>
>There really isn't much non-PD or game software for the Amiga anyhow, so it's
>a moot point.  Better to spend $3K on a computer that has many apps,
>hardware expansion options, and SW development tools with hundreds of man
>years of development time in them...

That is a good idea in principle.  I have to face the realities of software
prices and a limited budget, though.  Most interesting software for the
clone systems cost well over $300.  For the price of five or six good
applications, I could buy another complete system.

Of course, I do not see my options limited to buying cheap hardware with
expensive software or expensive hardware with cheap software.  For now I
will buy nothing.

-- Gerald
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OH MY GOD...I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:20:16 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul27.234456.11411@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>> 	IBM must have released the 586, and lots of people must be out
>>> 	there eating floppy disks.
>>
>>You'll be waiting forever for IBM to release the 586 because Intel
>>makes the 80x86 line of CPU's.
> 
> While you are at it, why not inform him that not too many people eat
> floppy disks?  Even the sarcastic posts get flamed now...
> 
> By the way, does not AMD (or some such) also make 80x86 processors?
> 

Sorry.  It was a correction, not a flame.  No, AMD makes clones of the
80x86 processors which have different capabilities than Intel 80x86's 
(but are fully compatible).  Actually, AMD and companies like it are 
probably starting to scare Intel a bit...

> -- Gerald
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From: s915426@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Leanne Taylor)
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:54:57 EST
Keywords: A4000, new, Amiga

kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:

>This is typed from the _AMIGA news_ newspaper, volume 1 no. 7.

>			The A4000
>		The Scoop on Commodore's Newest!
>			 by Anon

>I've been chomping at the bit to speak out and right now I just don't care
[rest deleted for obvious reasons]

Here we go again :-)  When are we going to see in in the news columns of Amiga
World and Amiga Format etc...????

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:42:24 GMT

cuadrasola@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>What is wrong about letting people talk and speculate.  I think that all these
>discussions about Emplant have given so much publicity to the product that 
>everybody is more exited about it than about any other product that can be
>expected from Commodore.
[...]
>Maybe I am stupid but I just don't get it.

You have got it.  Now try explaining things to Commodore.

Such products as Emplant, OS/2 2.0, and Windows 3.x are easy to announce
early since they are exciting products.  Commodore has not released
anything exciting since the A1000, and the rumors of their "new" 8-bit
graphics are not promising.  Well, the A3000 was arguably an exciting
release with its true 32-bit architecture, but Commodore crippled it with
6-bit graphics, lack of RTG, lack of memory protection, lack of...

The excitement for Amiga owners comes from such companies as PP&S (I hope
they got over the fire...), GVP (amazing! but $$$$ly), DMI, etc.

-- Gerald
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From: dudley@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Subject: Re: FOR PETE'S SAKE CBM!Re: Upgrade Amiga OR buy 486??
Reply-To: dudley@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (John Dudley)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:25:50 GMT


|> 
|> 386SX bridgeboard costs only $700 in University of Toronto. However,
|> 386SX + HD + RAM + Monitor costs about $999. (All in Canadian dollars)
|> 

I believe 700 may be for the educational discount, which not everyone
can get. Even if it is the retail
price, for only $200 or so more, you get that 386SX with absolutely no
compatibility
problems, and with a monitor (VGA), disk drive, and harddrive(40megs or
so).  BESIDES, you'd
be geting a totally second computer.  Sure, the Amiga can multitask, but
only 1 display on the
monitor at a time.  Why run the Amiga so hard(and face the possibility
of a GURU ERROR killing off
all tasks) when you can get another computer for roughly the same
price?

Not such a great move for you CBM marketing guys.  Price is going to
have to come down to have
any type of effect.
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: A Couple of Theories to Explain Commodore (very long rant)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:43:35 GMT

In article <oleg.02u4@crumpet.cts.com>oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes:

>6. CBM owns their own silicone foundries, yet CBM companies paid MORE for
                       ^^^^^^^^
>commodore parts than 3rd parties.

Great, just when cosmetic implants come under scrutiny, CBM decides to enter
the market. Go figure? And to think that we'll have to pay more than
everybody else. For shame :).

>The future according to me: 1. Immediate future: Hopefully most people that 
>have Amigas will realize that it is still more cost-efffective to expand the
>machine...

In order to ensure longevity, we need platforms that will render existing
low-end machines obsolete by virtue of an increased price/performance ratio.
Maintaining the status quo should be left to the third party companies.
No matter which way you look at it, the 16-bit hybrids (A500/A2000) are a
long-term liability to both the individual and the Amiga community.

Besides, the immediate future isn't far away.

>and believe that the "Future according to me" is likely to resemble the
>real life scenario. I am especially confident about the long term 
>projection...

Fortunately, in many respects, history will prove you wrong.

Mark

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:59:30 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
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In article <1992Jul27.144946.21147@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
> >>
> >>Mike, if you think that an Amiga with an accelerator and a 24-bit TIGA
> >>board can even begin to approach the performance of an Indigo Elan, you
> >>are badly disillusioned.  On the other hand, that Elan graphics board alone
> >>costs something like $16K.
> >
> >I doubt he's talking about a TIGA board - he mentioned GVP 040, so he probably
> >means GVP's EGS board, which is directly coupled to their accelerators.  The
> >32-bit interface to it can shovel video data straight from the cpu at 50 MB/s.
> >It comes with 8 megs of video ram, can do full 24-bit at 1600x1280, and can
> >draw lines 24-bits deep at 3 million pixels/sec.  Used with a 27 MIPS cpu
> >(040/33), you have a serious system.
> >
>
> Don't get me wrong, it's a great setup, but it's not even in the same
> ballpark as an Indigo Elan.  3 million pixels/sec?  The Elan does a million
> anti-aliased 3D *vectors* per second.  Plus, the Elan does things in hardware
> that the EGS can only dream about, such as shading and depth cueing.
>

There are TWO Elan boards and we aren't talking about the same one.  I refer
to the Elan board for the Indigo.  You refer to the Elan board for the Crimson.
I'll bring home the SGI docs I got last week and type in the figures they
claim for the Indigo Elan.  I do remember the machine cost $24,000, which is
about 4x more than the $6K the Amiga/GVP/EGS combo costs.  The Indigo Elan
does not do 1,000,000 vectors per second...

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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:51:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.020111.8441@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1100@se.alcbel.be> magu@se.alcbel.be writes:
>>
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>Reading about the "dying Amiga" and not being able to do anything about it
>>except shout at Commodore is depressing.  But maybe there's something else
>>we can do ...
>>
>>One of the reason for the PCs dominance was the proliferation of its 
>>compatibles. Why can't the Amiga have a compatible?  Who says it can't,
>>Commodore?  I'm sure most of you will agree that Amiga is not just Commodore.

>   Commodore controls the sources to the OS.  Commodore controls the layouts
>and internal specs for thecustom chips.  Without both of these, no Amiga
>clones are possible.
>
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

	Marc, do you really believe this is why? Are you saying that IBM
clone companies must have access to OS code and internal chip specs? He
didn't say that some company should redesign the custom chips and reprogram
the OS; he merely said they should make Amiga compatibles.

	Such as the Newer Technology portable. Or the Rejuvinator board. Or
numerous arcade games. The rules are clear; you can make an Amiga compatible
as long as you don't include CBM's custom chips, which must be bought
separately. I believe CBM once stated that clones are acceptable if an A500
is purchased in addition to the clone (for the custom chips).

	CBM should OEM CPU's to third party companies such as GVP and DMI,
to make graphics workstations.


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:08:47 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
: The original Mac II video boards could be made to work with NTSC using a
: special cable and some software from Apple.  I saw an early Mac II display
: a B&W interlaced image on a //GS color monitor (analog CGA-res like the
: A108x).  It was about as usable as an Amiga in interlace mode.

No, the Amiga has a clean signal.  That special cable might as well be
made of mud, because that's what most of those signals end up looking
like.  If we're talking NTSC and PAL output, then it's a good idea to
have a good signal, don't you think?

: Oh really?  How is it then that every VGA, SVGA, and multiscan monitor that
: I've used with my A3000 can display 960 lines?  Of course it flickers  and 
: looks like crap due to the interlace, but then again that is a common problem
: that Amigas seem to have.  :-)

There's a sucker born every minute, usually followed by a cynic.  ;)

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From: u2112539@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MSH & 2.04
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:25:04 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <19413@plains.NoDak.edu>, jones@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Jones (Dr. Jones)) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for the version of MSH: that works with 
> AmigaDOS 2.04.
> 
> I have seen it but have not been able to locate it
> on the archie's that I've tried.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!   :-)
> (please respond via e-mail)


	I have an A3000 and use Multidos. It seems to be very Good. It actualy
uses df0: df1: as the refrencing devices for the MSDOS disks. ie. put an MsDos
disk in df0: ... dir df0: works great. Also when you insert an MSDOS disk the
df0: icon on WB goes busy rather than Bad. I don't know but this little detail
makes me feal better :-)
> 
> Thanks
> Scott A Jones
> jones@plains.nodak.edu

Hope I help
	George
PS: Oh yea, try wuarchive.wustl.edu
I have set it up via tool manager and mount it and unmount it from the WB, it
takes munimum proc time anyway

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:07:53 GMT

In <1992Jul27.030752.5666@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>I should have mentioned that the figures I posted are for the R4000 systems.
>The guys from SG said the R3000 systems were being phased out.

I have read that. However, the R3000 systems are still sold _and_ the
R4000 systems more expensive.

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:19:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul20.070821.27601@uwm.edu> <62494@cup.portal.com>
  <mykes.09nb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> <3382@faatcrl.UUCP> <dano.711840688@srl01>
  <3397@faatcrl.UUCP> <dano.711955514@srl01> <3406@faatcrl.UUCP>

Twenty years from now, perhaps history won't have kind things to
say about Reagan.

But Carter? No one could afford a house, inflation was out of control,
helecopters were crashing in the desert, the US intelligence community
was gutted.

Oh yeah. It was our fault. Jimmy got on TV and told us. He said he
couldn't figure out why things were going so bad. But he figured it
out.

"there's a malaise in this country".

Yep, and he was voted out of office.

Don't get me wrong. J. Carter strikes me as a genuinely nice person.
I'd love to have him as my next door neighbor. But I don't necessarily
want my next door neighbor to be president. He clearly wasn't up to
the job.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:31:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <oleg.02tr@crumpet.cts.com> <3459@faatcrl.UUCP>

politics have *always* been filled with mudslinging.

I always laugh when people say "in the good old days, they talked
about issues".

Its clear that person has never opened a history book. Mudslinging
is a great American pastime. And I have to admit, its a hell of a lot
more entertaining than the usual lies:

"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"I'll only raise taxes on the wealthy"
"I have a secret plan to end the war"

Besides, its a myth that presidential candidates are elected on the
issues anyway; at least the issues that are presented as important:

"I'd like to ask the candidates if they're for motherhood, education,
peace, prosperity, and jobs"

"Nope, sorry, I think we should do away with that kind of thing".

C'mon. 
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From: Metin_Savignano@turttwo.tynet.sub.org (Metin Savignano)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Capture this message!
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:28:51 GMT
Organization: TurtleSystems II, Stuttgart FRG

In a message dated Sat 18 Jul 92  7:00, Barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (daniel 
wrote:

>In article <paulg.09dn@weird.miami.fl.us> paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul
>Griswold) writes:
>>[Let's all buy stock and try to influence Commodore....]
>> General Motors stockholders have proven that this strategy can work!

>I agree wholeheartedly with your letter. I will call a broker tomorrow
>[and buy 5 shares]....

 B>  Uh, folks, before you start doing this:  are you aware that Irving
 B> Gould, the guy running Commodore, owns over 6 *million* shares of
 B> stock?!?
 B> It's going to take a lot of people buying "5 shares" to make a
 B> difference.

Well don't say such things until they're tried out! BTW, 5 shares is
nothing, Commodore was at 14,20 DM today (say $ 9.50). So buy some more,
folks!
I have bought some, let's try it!

It's almost always the things you didn't do that you later regret!


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From: i897515@sheoak.bcae.oz.au (C ARNOLDT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga AA chipset... inside info?
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:26:49 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1992Jul27.001908.24927@cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapcnl@Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence) writes:
>Distribution: world
>
>In article <mykes.0a91@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike  
>Schwartz) writes:
>:In article <1992Jul25.215129.19893@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu  
>(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>:> 3.  The version of OS 3 he's seen (kickstart 39.101) needs an '020 or
>:> better to run... which suggest that the next generation of low end
>:> computers is going to be minumum '030.
>:
Nope.  See below.
>:KS 39.whatever just might have a bug, just like those that some games
>:have, when run on an 030 (but in reverse).  Since CBM seems so much
>:more interested in selling A600 and A500 style computers, it would
>:be stupid to have an OS that didn't work on a 68000 (albeit very
>:slowly).
>
This is the right answer.  A developer posted in one of the other
groups clearly stating that one of the KS39 distributions had a bug
in that it had been accidently compiled to only work on 020 and above
systems.  The developer posted because he wanted to kill rumors
that CBM would only be supporting 020 and above Amigas with KS3.0.
It would be them safe to assume that if VM and RTG were to be in
a future release they would work on a500/600's.


Keep on Dreaming.


Craig Arnoldt
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Distribution of Products.....
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:55:49 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul30.065106.5625@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> billc@popsicle.UUCP (William J. Coldwell) writes:
> : Yeh, well contrary to popular rumors, I did NOT fly out to Denver and burn
> : the place down... and I did NOT send Steve Spring that bag of marshmallows.
>
> Yeah, sure.  ;)  Actually, I hadn't heard those rumors.  Interesting,
> though.  I do remember a few heated words about them from your end,
> pun intended...  :)
>

Damn it Slu!  Stop spreading rumors...

> Greg
>
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