HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@torn.onet.on.ca (News)
Subject: torn news summary
Original-Message-Id: <92Jul30.081958edt.58656@torn.onet.on.ca>
Original-To: news-reports
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:19:52 GMT

News log summary from Jul 29 07:14:50 to Jul 30 07:09:07

Sitename              Accept Reject Junked I-Have Sendme   Total    Sent
------------------------------------------------------------------------
utcsri                 14557    354      8      .      .   14919    4171
cs.utexas.edu           3325     31      .      .      .    3356     483
csd.unb.ca               475      3    115      .      .     593   18174
watserv1                 222      1      .      .      .     223   18580
cunews                   161      .     12      .      .     173   17697
torn                      82      .      .      .      .      82       .
newshost.uwo.ca           48      .      .      .      .      48   18753
utzoo                     38      .      1      .      .      39   18703
utgpu                     34      .      .      .      .      34   18901
skule.ecf                 21      1      .      .      .      22    4307
news.ccs.queensu.ca       17      .      .      .      .      17   18804
newshub.ccs.yorku.ca      15      .      .      .      .      15   18786
maccs                     10      .      .      .      .      10   18673
ryelect                    3      .      .      .      .       3   18784
blaze.trentu.ca            3      .      .      .      .       3   17410
torn.onet.on.ca            2      .      .      .      .       2       .
spartan.ac.BrockU.CA       1      .      .      .      .       1   18682
sis                        1      .      .      .      .       1   18800
pulp.cs.laurentian.c       1      .      .      .      .       1   10985
newsserver.cs.uwinds       1      .      .      .      .       1   18410
utorvm                     .      .      .      .      .       .   18926
thunder                    .      .      .      .      .       .   15452
sid.cquest.toronto.e       .      .      .      .      .       .      54
govonca                    .      .      .      .      .       .   15837
gonzo.cs.uoguelph.ca       .      .      .      .      .       .   18801
cdf.toronto.edu            .      .      .      .      .       .    4545
TALLY                      .      .      .      .      .       .   18935
             Totals:   19017    390    136      .      .   19543  371653

Newsgroups: can.canet.stats
From: pkern@rodent.utcs.utoronto.ca (pkern)
Subject: what is can.canet.stats ... ?
Summary: USENET statistics from major CA*Net news sites
Organization: UTCS
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:59:42 GMT
Expires: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 14:00:00 GMT



What is can.canet.stats ... ?

	It's a place for CA*Net's primary/main/major/significant NNTP relay
	sites to post/crosspost their news statistics.  This newsgroup
	could help determine news flows and help news-admins to minimize
	duplicate NNTP feeds on CA*Net's heavily loaded links.  Ideally,
	following CA*Net's topology, there should be statistics from at
	least one site per province, if not more.


current CA*Net topology:
------------------------
                        Edmonton ------ Saskatoon
                           #               |
                           #               |
NSFNet@Seattle xxxxxxx  Vancouver	Winnipeg
                           x               |
                           x               |
NSFNet@Ithaca  +++++++  Toronto xxxxxxx Montreal xxxxxx NSFNet@Princeton
                           |               #
                           |               #
                       Fredricton       Halifax
                           |               |
                           |               |
                     Charlottetown ---- St. John's

link speeds:

---   56 kbps
###  112 kbps
xxx  224 kbps
+++  T1 (~1.3 Mbps)

Newsgroups: can.canet.stats,tor.news.stats
From: news@torn.onet.on.ca (News)
Subject: torn news summary
Original-Message-Id: <92Jul31.081358edt.57718@torn.onet.on.ca>
Original-To: news-reports
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:13:54 GMT

News log summary from Jul 30 07:13:08 to Jul 31 07:09:20

Sitename              Accept Reject Junked I-Have Sendme   Total    Sent
------------------------------------------------------------------------
utcsri                 14996    396      5      .      .   15397    4065
cs.utexas.edu           3074    289      .      .      .    3363     484
csd.unb.ca               626      6    172      .      .     804   18294
watserv1                 174      .      .      .      .     174    9552
cunews                   140      .      1      .      .     141   17964
torn                      90      1      .      .      .      91       .
watserv2.uwaterloo.c      77      1      .      .      .      78    9678
utgpu                     54      .      .      .      .      54   19244
utzoo                     42      1      .      .      .      43   19072
newshost.uwo.ca           37      .      .      .      .      37   19052
skule.ecf                 22      1      2      .      .      25    4225
maccs                     19      .      .      .      .      19   18940
newshub.ccs.yorku.ca      14      .      .      .      .      14   19075
news.ccs.queensu.ca       12      .      1      .      .      13   19153
ryelect                    4      .      .      .      .       4   19075
torn.onet.on.ca            2      .      .      .      .       2       .
thunder                    2      .      .      .      .       2   15872
pulp.cs.laurentian.c       1      .      .      .      .       1   11417
newsserver.cs.uwinds       1      .      .      .      .       1   18671
blaze.trentu.ca            1      .      .      .      .       1   17341
utorvm                     .      .      .      .      .       .   19293
spartan.ac.BrockU.CA       .      .      .      .      .       .   18959
sis                        .      .      .      .      .       .   19089
sid.cquest.toronto.e       .      .      .      .      .       .      69
govonca                    .      .      .      .      .       .   16248
gonzo.cs.uoguelph.ca       .      .      .      .      .       .   19089
cdf.toronto.edu            .      .      .      .      .       .    4707
TALLY                      .      .      .      .      .       .   19298
             Totals:   19388    695    181      .      .   20264  377926

Newsgroups: can.canet.stats,tor.news.stats
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: God Save your Queen
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:48:14 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article (Don Clayton) writes:
>I suggest you talk to someone from Croatia, or Palastine, or Mongolia, or...
>about the rights of the conqueror.  Very few countries are granted self governing
>rights by the conqueror.  This shows respect.  I see no reason why the receiving
>individuals can not at least do that in return.

Man, you really know your history, do you?  When Canada was conquered
by the british, they didn't grant "self-government" at all, and didn't
show respect at all. Far from it.  Going through my genealogy, for
example, you can see that a lot of quebecois were driven away from the
Quebec City region because of the british occupation. The only reason
why the french canadians were not deported, exterminated, or quickly
assimilated, is their number that was too large compare to english
Canada.

It took the american revolution to scare the british enough that the
french-canadians could join the anti-british revolution that they gave
them some sort of autonomny. Then came 1840 when the french canadians
lost most of their rights, including french as an official language.
Then came Lord Durham and his report saying that we are "un peuple
sans histoire", "des porteurs d'eau" and that the best thing to do
would be to assimilate us. This report created a lot publicity in
London, and it used as one of the basis for the Confederation.

-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 10:19:09 EDT
From: Peter Gogolek <GOGOLEKP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: God Save your Queen
Distribution: can
 <skenny.712274436@femto.engr.mun.ca> <1992Jul30.133628.10389@eci386.uucp>
 <12466@audetf> <ph3.712537343@unixg.ubc.ca>


ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306)) writes:
>In <12466@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>
>
>>Well I wouldn't swear allegeance to a Queen of England more than to an
>>American flag. They both are, for me, equally "a croc".
>
>Francois, did you ever have to pledge allegience to the Queen? I never did,
>and I assume that my situation is common to most Canadians, except possibly
>immigrants to Canada. (I don't mean for this to be a snarkey question, I just
>want to know.)
>
>-Mike.

 I know of two people, Canadians born in Canada (as if that mattered),
who were required to swear allegiance to the Queen before they could
mark physics assignments of cadets at the Royal Military College in
Kingston.  Quite reasonably they refused to do this.  Eventually an
arrangement was made to put qualifiers on the pledge.

 What is the value of any pledge of allegiance?  A scoundrel will
swear without a second thought.  An honest man who refuses is more
trustworthy.

Peter Gogolek
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: god save your queen
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:40:41 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: can
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

[most deleted]

FA>And why show respect? I'd respect her more if she didn't pretend to be
FA>the Queen of my country.

Sorry, but whether you like it or not, she *is* the Queen of your
country, so long as you are Canadian.  No pretense involved.  You can't
just wish our entire political system away.

- Stephanie.
---
  SLMR 2.1a  "I'm not a god, I'm just...misquoted" - Lister
--
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: C'est la Reine d'Angleterre...
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:38:42 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <12460@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>
>Question for information: does a country have to have the Queen as
>head of state to be a member of the Commonwealth.
>

Probably.  There are some republics and a republic is not a monarchy
nor a parlementarian (sp?) monarchy as Canada is.  So, we could put
(throw?) away the Queen and this would change nothing about the
Commonwealth.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Quebec income tax
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:13:01 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

I'll give you this one.  Quebec did receive subsides from Federal in
first years of Dominion.  But Federal take the money from Quebec individues.

THere would be a lot to say about the decreasing % of subsides from Ottawa
to provinces which went along with a Ottawa taking province power.
But, my time is limited...

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Quebec income tax (was Re: English services in Quebec)
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:25:19 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <SBO.92Jul23164809@froh.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:48:59 GMT, CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> said:
>  > Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca
>
>  > Income tax forms are available in English, though my gratitude for
>  > having to fill out two forms, when everyone else in Canada has
>  > to fill out only one, is very limited.  This is a good example of
>  > stupid symbolism by the Quebec government.  In theory, Quebec can
>  > change its income tax rules independently of Ottawa, but in
>  > practice, this never happens.  E.g. when Ottawa changes the RRSP
>  > contribution limits, Quebec always does exactly the same thing.
>  > Quebec taxpayers are inconvenienced every year by having to fill
>  > out two returns.
>
>But this is besides the point (see the subject line), since
>everyone has to do it.
>
Yes, that's perfectly true.  I was digressing from the original
subject line.

But *why* does everyone have to do it?  That's what no one has ever
explained to me.  It gives Quebec no real independence in setting
tax policy, since it follows almost every change in the tax system
which Ottawa decides on.  It inconveniences all of us, French and
English speaking alike, every April.  It provides jobs for the
employees of the Quebec Ministry of Revenue.  But who else benefits?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Bilingualism at universities (was Re: Bla, bla)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<12443@audetf>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:24:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <12443@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:

   In article (Steven C. Potter) writes:
   >  Could you provide your definition of 'bilingual', please, Francois.

   Une universite qui se dit bilingue doit offrir tous ces programmes en
   francais ET en anglais, pas un OU l'autre (surtout quand cette
   universite pretend que ces programmes sont bilingues).

Est-ce que c'est suffisant d'offrir un cours en anglais en automne, et
le meme cours en francais en printemps?
--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
Xref: sparky can.politics:5246 can.general:3323
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.followup,can.general
Subject: Re: Bof?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:28:44 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mid Island Ham Network

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

> In article <9883NB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> >
> >So, Denis, basically you are saying that non-French speaking companies 
> >have a history of discriminating against French speakers, so that NOW it 
> >is perfectly OK to discriminate against non-French speakers, so that it 
> >will all balance out?
> >
> >This is nonsense. Discrimination for reason of language spoken is wrong, 
> >no matter by whom. It was wrong when the English did it. It's wrong when 
> >the French do it. It's wrong.
> >
> >emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)
> 
> Who talked about discrimation?  We want to re-equilibrate the situation.
> To do this, it is necessary to give a swing in the opposite direction
> long time enough to change the mentality.  As long as redneck newspapers
> (for example) will present this as an attack to anglophones and will
> invite anglophones to ripost, there will be a ripost from francos too.
> 

You did, and do. What the hell does "give a swing in the opposiste 
direction" mean if not reverse discrimination? Of course it's an attack 
on anglophones! (And everyone else not francophone). 

> The day any anglo media will stop this kind of riposting, then the
> mentality will actually begin to change in the right direction.
> Why ?  Because many francos believe the law is not enough strong
> if a lot of persons can ripost at that level.  It is a matter
> of strenght : if the ennemy (no flame please, this is a figure of style)
> continue to shot, first camp will continue too; if they stop and
> the first camp prefer the peace (and Quebecois are peaceful, see the
> proportion of Quebecois who voted against conscription), then the conflict
> will stop alone.  If both camps keep firing, the war will last.
> (end of comparison).  In the actual case, there is no war nor ennemies,
> just two groups with (somewhat) opposite targets.
> 
> -- 
>   \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>  /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
> J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
> \_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !

You mean you and your kind will keep enacting more and more draconian 
language laws until those oppressed shut up? What a twisted way of 
promoting your society!


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Schooling in Quebec ( was Re: Bla, bla )
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:52:27 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <mede.711843101@cunews> mede@alfred.carleton.ca (Meghan Ede) writes:
>RE: Schooling in Quebec
>
>I am suprised that no-one has mentioned economics.
>
>In Canada, school taxes are based on property values, which
>are based, roughly, on income.  It is important for all school
>systems to ensure that relatively wealthy people live in the area
>to support the local school boards.
>
>In Quebec, up until fairly recently, the English controlled
>amounts of money quite out of proportion to their population,
>and managed to restrict this money to their relatively much
>smaller school poplultions, further exagerating the economic
>differences between school boards.
>
It's my impression that most of the funding for school boards in
Quebec now comes from grants from the provincial government, and
not, as in Ontario, from property taxes levied by the individual school
boards.  I'm an apartment dweller, so I don't pay property taxes
directly, so I may be mistaken on this point.  I'm open to correction
from any experts in the field.

In any case, I imagine the size of these grants depends on the
numberr of students, so boards would still have an incentive to
compete for students.

>I think that fundamentally, the Quebec government does not care
>whether Steve Potter sends his kids to a French school or to a
>English one with French Immersion, so long as he continues to send
>his tax dollars to the french board.
>
I'm not convinced of this.  First of all, in Montreal there are
not English and French boards, but Catholic and Protestant boards.
These are majority-French and majority-English, respectively, but
both have substantial numbers of schools of the "other" language.
Nothing prevents Steve from sending his children to a French
Protestant school.

One of the early battles in this language of schools question was
in St. Leonard in 1968, between Italo-Canadian parents who wanted
to send their children to English Catholic schools, and a board
which wanted them to attend French Catholic schools.  Only a single
school board was involved.  It was not a battle between English and
French school boards, as I understand it.

P.S. A subject line like "RE: Bla, bla" is not very helpful to
readers scanning a news group.  It would be useful if people
would use meaningful subject lines, and update them as a thread
evolves.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Independence is already in process
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:56:15 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mid Island Ham Network

robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:

> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> >
> >It seems to me likely that if Quebec leaves (which also seems likely, 
> >although undesirable) that the rest of the country will break up as well 
> >in smaller chunks, most if not all of which will eventually be absorbed 
> >by the United States. It seems most likely to me that the chunks will 
> >consist of : B.C., the Prairies, Ontario, the Maritimes (NS, NB, PEI), 
> >Newfoundland/Labrador, and the North (The territories, plus parts of 
> >what is now Northern Ontario and Quebec). 
> 
> A number of political commentators predict this absorption-by-the-US
> scenario should Quebec leave Canada. What none of them seem to mention is
> what forces will be at work to bring this about. I have yet to speak to a
> Canadian who wants to see Canada join the US. I suspect that percentage of
> such Canadians is in the single digits. As well, why should CSQ not remain
> together? It should be readily obvious to most if not all that there is
> strength in numbers. Sure BC could probably go it alone (and suffer a drop
> in standard of living), but why would it want to? What is the benefit to be
> had? I have a very hard time accepting this prediction when nobody seems
> to be able to explain the rationale behind it. Want to take a shot at it,
> Robert?
> -- 
> Jim Robinson
> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
> {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
> 


Ok, Jim I will, but not tonight. I'll try to post tomorrow night after 
work.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)