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From: dano@usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Wild rumor, potential for massive sea change in Amiga world
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:31:48 GMT

kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:

>dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>	A500 = $399
>>	A2000= $1600?
>>	A3000= $1900 - $2500
>>
>>	Why is there such a large gap between the A500 and the A2000?
>>Why doesn't CBM release an $800 machine? 

>I dunno why, but it seems like ever since the dawn of micros, there's
>been a computer sales death gap between $600-$994.  It's like asking
>for trouble to stick a machine within that MSRP range.  I'm sure this
>isn't an ironclad Murphy's Law, but does anyone know of such a machine
>which survived in it?

Well, a lot of 386SX+VGA setups I've seen are usually below $1000.
I don't know if you'd called that 'surviving', but I think 386SX sales
still out perform 386DXs and 486DX/SX/DX2s.
-Dan
.

>spooky :-)  kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: espen@coos.dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AppleEvents, how to they work?
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:17:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Apr6.021728.25129
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

derek@insanity.tmc.edu (Dariusz Bolski) writes:

>In article <56869@cup.portal.com> Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes:
>>But to drive the applications GUI,  I imagine it would be much more
>>combursone, i.e.
>>
>>   'click' the circle tool
>>   send a mouse click to X,Y
>>   send a mouse click to X+R,Y
>>   'click' select the circle
>>   open the line-thickness dialog
>>   click the desired thickness
>>   click ok.
>>

>Accidentally you made an excellent example for the thread we had a while
>ago with Voice User Interface.

>Interpreting your example for VUI is very easy for AREXX. Imagine now
>how you choose thickness (thicker, no, thicker, no, thicker!!!) with VUI
>for GUI. It is enough to say five words for Arexx VUI but about 40 words
>in your VUI -> GUI example. And God forbid making a mistake in these
>40 words (what is not difficult in such a long sentence)

>>--
>>Lee      Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com

>Dariusz Bolski

   Have you ever used voice recognition with a GUI?  Doesn't sound like it.
I have spent considerable time playing with the Voice Navigator for the Mac, and
can tell you that is not the way you would set up a VUI.  Even when you are
doing it on top of a GUI like MacOS.  With a powerful macro language you can
do pretty well what already exists.  For example I could say:
 Line width 5 pixels
 Move5 inches left, 2 inches down
 Draw Circle
 Move down 1 inch
 Ok
Not that the comparison that was originally attempted is very valid anyway.
What if you don't know how your circle should look like.  You would have to
experiment plugging in different values until you got it right, instead of just
saying 'smaller' or 'bigger'.  It would be especially hairy if you have a
computer which doesn't operate with constant dpi, or thinks mainly in pixels
rather than real world measurements, and what you want is a circle with a
diameter of exactly one inch, no matter what device you send the ouput to.

   Now for something completely different:  Regarding QuickTime which has been
brought up so often.  It seems that the Amigos here have little understanding
of what QT is all about.  It is not intended for full-screen animation.  It
does not in any way compare to Amiga Demos or anything like that.  QT is mainly
for digitized video and mainly ment to used for full-motion video snippets
whereever that might be useful.  If you want to see Mac animation you are
talking about things like Macromind Director or similar products.  

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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Epic and Turrican III, wuz Re: IBM scrolling capab.
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:42:06 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX

har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:
>
>I believe this one. I have never *seen* a person who has a purchased IBM
>game. Or windows. Or word perfect. Corporations buy productivity, and
>parents buy games. The rest is pirated.

No Amiga flames intended, but...

Head on over to a Babbage's or Electronics Boutique or, better yet,
CompUSA on a Saturday afternoon--those games sell like crazy.  Hasn't
Wing Commander sold over 250,000 copies so far?  I don't doubt that
there are tons of illegal copies out there, but obviously someone
shells out some money.  PC software houses are spending over $500,000
developing a single game.  And Apogee Software makes over $30,000
apiece every MONTH on several shareware games  (this comes from the
president of the company).

Something else to keep in mind is that PC games are getting damn huge.
Would you try to download a 10+ megabyte game from a BBS at 2400 baud?

I think your views on piracy for any computer depend a lot on what sort
of crowd you hang around with.  People with more knowledge than average
Joe PC who actually poke around various BBSs are more likely to use
what they know to their advantage.  Of course if you have any interest
in keeping the industry healthy, then you will rise above this;
piracy seems more socially frowned upon than it has been, just as
people would rather have an original album than taping it
from a friend.

Something I've been noticing more and more of is piracy simply for
spite.  Sombody thinks that Sierra's games are overpriced trash, so
they take it upon themselves to drive the company into the ground.  And
I've seen many Amiga owners who pirate PC software as a blow against
those computers.  (These are just examples.)  I have no idea why some
people think that it is up to them to be the saviour of the computer
industry and show everyone the error of their ways.
--
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: The new A600/A600HD & A500 CD.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:37:54 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
:    Anymore, 640x480 isn't a particularly high resolution.  Besides this,

No--It's high resolution, when you look at the alternatives for
non-flickering screens.  Its a decent resolution, IMHO.

: productivity is really only usable on the one system that doesn't need it:
: the A3000.  For the systems that do need it (A500 and A2000), productivity is
: too slow to be usable.

1) I've got fast ram, and I'd die without it.  2)  I like sticking
my WYSIWIG word processors onto it.  It's a good resolution.  And
since there's not much to move around on the chip bus, it does pretty
well.

ProWrite is great.  ;)

:    But then you run into the problem of interlace flicker, which productivity
: was supposed to eliminate in the first place.  This is made worse by the
: fact that productivity interlace is only usable on VGA and multisync monitors
: and most VGA a multisync monitors tend to use especially short persistance
: phosphors.  Also, many VGA and multisync monitors don't handle interlaced
: modes very well.

Correct:  My point being standard Productivity is big as it is:
Productivity interlace is huge, and does pretty damn good.  Stick a
little extra space onto it, and you've got a full interlace page to
work with onscreen... practically.  Assuming you've got borders on
your page.  Anyways, it does halfway-decent in that sitch.

And the point above was the person, me, could, at the time, afford the
MultiSync and the ECS Denise, but couldn't afford the extra cost of
the Deinterlacer.

:    True.  Productivity seems to be raw potential with little immediate
: usefullness.  With more bitplanes (in a hypothetical new chipset), 
: productivity would be useful, but it isn't right now.

I personally am quite happy with 4 colors.  If it ate less bandwidth,
I'd be happiER.  But it's a good resolution, AS LONG AS YOU'RE WORKING
IN FAST RAM.  And that's the clincher, which, actually, should always
remain true on any productive system.

If you work in chip, you deserve what you get.  (No flames, but now
that I've got fast ram, and have had it for a long time, I can't
imagine WANTING to go back to chip.  ;)

Greg
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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Why the Hell Is Big Bird Blue In Holland (Was Re: New Look and Feel...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:33:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr9.063309.2099
Distribution: na
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Apr08.195542.7047@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>In article <19485@chopin.udel.edu> don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
>>In an agreement 
>>formed as part of its alliance with Apple, IBM will hire Big Bird, 
>>repaint him accordingly, and create a joint Apple/IBM commercial 
>>featuring Snuffy and Big Blue Bird.
>
>Actually, in Holland Big Bird is blue. So IBM only needs to go to
>the Netherlands and hire their Big Bird. This is absolutely true!
>I've seen Sesame Street in Holland and Big Bird is BLUE.
>

Why is Big Bird blue in Holland?  Did they discover that nine foot tall
yellow chickens are frightening to small children?  Regardless of color,
I always found a semi-sentient, two and a half meter tall chicken that 
won't shut up and has delusions of imaginary friends to be a touch on 
the disquieting side...

I just wonder what it is about Blue that makes Big Bird more acceptable in
Holland.  Maybe he's just not getting a reliable enough air supply....

>-- 
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From: cs903023@juno.ariel.yorku.ca ()
Subject: Usenet utilities
Originator: cs903023@juno.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:22:09 GMT


Is there a public domain or shareware program that will be 
a front end to reading Usenet posts?  Something that will
allow the user to dial the site via modem, and then be the
interface to reading the posts.

Is there a similar utility for e-mail reading?
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: *** ULTIMATE BASHING for PeeCee Users
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.143720.16255@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Doesn't OS-9 have MP and VM?  I believe it has MP, and it definitely
>doesn't require several megabytes...

I don't think it has memory protection, and it *certainly* doesn't
have demand paged VM (or any other kind of VM, at least not the
versions I've used).

Paul

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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What will it take to turn CBM around???
Keywords: What do we do about this?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:52:43 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.005722.7008@nmt.edu> sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) writes:
>Well, I have been reading this newsgroup for a while, but this is my 
>second post, and I am probably restating the most obvious concerns...

	Missed the first one - HI THERE! 

>
>*** What can WE do as users to ensure the survival and further development
>of one of the best-designed, multi-tasking platforms ever created??  ***

	Unfortunately, not much IMHO. For 7 years (ok, I quit after
the first 5) we have been doing everything we can. We have been
sneaking them into work, talking our bosses into buying them, selling
'em retail and wowing millions of IBM owners.

	And, to carry on the fight, C= gives us the 600. :-{



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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM is a game machine company
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:59:03 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <mykes.2549@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Isn't the A3000T just a repackaged A3000?  What's it got besides more
>slots and a bigger power supply and a nicer case?

	A louder fan. :-(

	Actually, it has the same number of slots as the A3000.  But it
does have more internal expansion space for 3.5" and 5.25" devices,
and that's what made it attractive to me.

	A full review of the A3000T is coming to c.s.a.reviews sometime
in the next 2 weeks.

                                                        Dan

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486 and nap42487 knows nothing about CPUs.
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:31:42 GMT

rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:
>
>The Intel HW is kludgy because it lacks the elegance of the Motorola
>chips.
>

Yeah, right.  And Christie Brinkley is kludgy because she lacks the elegance
of Kim Basinger.  Ever hear that "in the eye of the beholder" phrase?

>
>For instance, 16-bit mode vs 32-bit mode. There is only one
>reason the 16bit mode is still there, backwards compatibility. The Intel
>hardware is carrying around extra baggage from it's 16bit days because
>it cannot afford to drop ms-dos compatilibility. Motorola 680x0 started
>out with full 32bit registers (24bit addressing), and a flat memory model.
>

Ah-ha!  And how did you get it etched upon your brain that a flat memory
model is inherently better than a segmented one?

>
>Jerry, why don't you tell me what makes the Intel instruction set/design
>better than Motorola's?  Is it all the overloading of registers (special
>case side effects)? The different modes? The segments? The small amount
>of general registers? The convoluted mnemonics?
>

If you must know, I think segmentation is great, and it's a shame that
it has been abandoned in the OS/2 2.0 API, although 16-bit segmentation
is still supported.  The reason it was abandoned has to do with OS/2
portability, not the merits of a flat model.

Different modes only affect addressing; normal instructions work the same
across all modes.

Convoluted mnemonics?  You can alias them to anything you like.

>
>Do you deny Jerry that the IntelHW carries extra baggage that's not
>really needed for a real-32bit OS? The V8086 mode smacks of chip
>level multitasking kludge added for ms-dos virtual machines!
>

Backwards compatibility is also a kludge?  Wow, you Amiga types sure
are an avant-garde bunch.  Why don't you tell that to CBM so that they
can make you a real OS with memory protection?  It doesn't matter if
all previous software breaks under it, right?

>
>It doesn't matter how you answer, since I will be vindicated anyway.
>Intel is eventually going to drop the 16bit mode and compatibility
>instructions, or so they say.
>    

Uh-huh.   And Motorola is eventually going to drop their entire CISC CPU line
in favor of RISC or some other emerging technology.  Does that make the entire
680x0 line "unnecessary baggage"?  It doesn't matter how you answer; I will
be vindicated anyway.
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Mac & IBM advocates read this!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:07:22 GMT

justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:
>I'm clearing up misinformation.. I never try to convince people to buy or  
>convert to Macintosh. If I were, this would be the last place I would go.

I see.  When you see information that you disagree with, you reword it to
suit your "informed" views.  Wonderful.

><oh.. it's you again>

I have always been the same me.

-- Gerald
From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:01:39 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Mar31.135307.9185@ms.uky.edu>, justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:
|> MacOS would not *DARE* support some completely NONstandard font technology.  
|> PostScript Type 1 and TrueType are superior (the latter being the better  
|> technology), and will both be fully supported in System 7.1.
|> 
	TrueType is a marketing scam, PostScript Type 1 is the only real
	scalable standard and it has probably been pointed out before than
	the scaler used in AmigaDOS does not preclude the use of Postscript
	as the font technology.

		-Rob
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From: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: NeuSoft

In article <1992Apr10.031205.1081@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>
>My buddy Paul has this cool looking wallpaper program on his Workbench...
>he's currently got this wild-looking midevial dragon.
>
>Thom

For those of us with 2.04, there's also the NickPrefs preferences extension,
which has a background image preferences program.  It blows wallp, tapestry,
tapete, etcetera away.

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From: schaem@sgi.com (greg schaem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need New Amigas
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:19:37 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Paula_Lieberman.04je@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>;reference stephan/schaem@sgi.com :: Believe it or not, iI actually -agree-
>that the CPU is not the only consideration as regards performance. 
>However, it's my opinion [note -- opinion] that a 14 MHz 68020 is not a
>good solution.  A lot of stuff need floating point, which means that a
>68881/68882 and all attendant wiring and real estate and manufacturing
>costs is requisite, and -I- want the option of having hardware supported VM
>-- which means separate MMU chip or a 68030 -- I am of the -agina- opinion
>that it's less expensive to manufacture a machine with '030 than 020 and
>separate MMU.
>
>As for the proofing -- I really was having trouble following what you were
>trying to get across,and I was getting irritated about about it, in the
>initial articles posted.   What I was seeing didn't make all that much
>sense to me..... and I couldn't tell if it was because I couldn't decipher
>what was being said [by the way, I've seen some indecipherable stuff
>masquerading as technical material, written by allegedly literate people
>who read and write allegedly English as their first language.....  Impulse
>manuals aren't the worst manuals ever written, but they're certainly not
>going to win any awards for comprehensibility.... ] or because the concepts
>were ones that didn't make sense to me......
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.991

 I didn't say it was the solution, ?! Put 10$ more and plug a 25mhz 020
(30$ in VERY low volums).

 VM? we are in 92... the A2630 A2620 are available for years, any VM
implementation? Please tell me your sources.The only people that made
VM for the amiga did not market it...

 The A2000 come with a 68000.... Doesn't mean you cant put a 030 or 040...


My idea was that 32bit system with the 020 would be the LOW end amiga,
plug a 040 if you need more power.

CBM made? 16mhz A3000, and 040 board dont need the 82 or use the 030.
But my only concern was: please dont ignore the need of a new chip set.
I know that Video/gfx board are available (only zorroII curently) but
they cost alot more than the A3000 itself and need a complete reprograming
for developers...

Let CBM make a 020, 030, 040 models of the machine and everybody ?should?
be happy :-)

I just hope you din't understand that I wanted CBM to drop the 25mhz 030
in a A3000 for a 14mhz 020!? Thats the A3000 heart :-)

								Stephan.
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