From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Sin but still go to heaven?
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:37:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.101404.5707@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.002923.25154@shearson.com>, pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul20.101623.5676@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Read the Bible that God the Almighty inspired.
>>>
>> 
>> There don't seem to be any that god inspired. Given the fact that
>> there is no god, why should I treat the bible as anything else other
>> than a work of fiction, no more interesting than the Koran, the
>> Bagivad Gita, The Lord of the Rings, or any other similar work of
>> fiction?
>
>How are you sure that there is no God?  Do you have evidence to support your
>viewpoint?  Obviously, the Bible is not fiction.  It gives accurate accounts of
>civilizations from the past.  There is more proof in your average library to
>prove the existance of Christ than there is to prove the existance of Abe
>Lincoln.
>> 
	Okay, let's say I'm not sure that there isn't a god.  Why should I
follow yours?  You still haven't answered this question.  And don't spout that
"Because he's the only one that died for YOUR sins" crap.  Don't justify your
religion with its own praise.  As to Christ, I believe he existed.  There is
more than enough evidence to support that.  Whether he was the son of god or
just an exceptionally bright individual is questionable, however.  Look at
classic myth (Norse, Roman, Greek, Celtic, Egyptian, etc.).  Most of these
stories had a basis in fact and told important lessons.  Yet, they are
regarded by most as fiction.  Why?  Because common sense and scientific
evidence shows that the sun is not a god in a chariot of flame, but a sphere
of flaming gas.  And so on...
	As for accurate accounts of past civilizations, any Homeric epic or
Barry Sadler novel contains the same, yet they are fiction.  References aren't
enough.  Even finding noah's ark isn't enough.  It is quite probable that the
events outlined in the bible have a basis in truth, but were heavily 
embellished to promote a respect for or fear of your god.

	BTW, there are photographs and documents that support Lincoln's 
existence.  Hell, there are people who have had parents or grandparents that
saw him.  No such evidence exists for JC.  Just a musty book that 
survived the passage of time and the evolution of science.  Can't understand
why tho.

>>>Your heart is hardened.
>> 
	Your head is hardened.

>> And your reason isn't functioning. Soon, however, nanotechnology will
>> make clearing out athrosclerotic plaques a routine medical procedure.
>> Restoring reason to a mind, however, is not something they will be
>> able to do for you. I'm afraid you'll have to suffer indefinately.
>> 
>Are you sure that your's is?  What's to say that you just haven't looked into
>it.  Just denying the existance of God doesn't make Him not real.  I can deny
>that you exist, but in truth you do.  If you are sure that there is no God,
>then why do you go through so much trouble to look in newsgroups about
>spirituality?
>
	Nor does emphatically supporting the existence of god with quotation
make him real.  This newsgroup is not about spirituality!  It is about 
Satanism, S A T A N I S M!!!
	If you can't stand the heat, go to Hell.
>> --
>> Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com
>
>* Evan Marshall
>* marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

Raymond H. Rich
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA