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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.163610.5039@julian.uwo.ca> raza@hobbes.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.151634.23594@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
>>will not). India has superb players of spin and I can not recall any other world 
>>class spinner being successful against them in the last two decades. 
>>
>>	--SAN
>
>
>Iqbal Qasim.
>
>
>S.R.Raza

I think in the last NZ tour of India, John Bracewell had a match-winning bowling spell.
Can somebody confirm?

- Sougata


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sagrawal@us.oracle.com (Sanjay Agrawal)
Subject: 3rd day (4th test)
Originator: sagrawal@dvlseq.us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:03:17 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

At lunch, England are 298 for 4. Batsmen out today: Smith (42),
Stewart (8) and Gooch (135).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Three umpires at a cricket match
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:32:04 GMT

Just read in the July 15 edition of the Times (London), that the South
African cricket board is seriously considering using three umpires in 
each of the Tests against India later this year. 
     At any point of time, two umpires will be on the field, and the 3rd
will be stationed before a television screen, to adjudicate on close run-
outs, hit-wickets, and stumpings (that`s what the article said; in theory,
once you have someone watching slow motion replays, almost any close 
decision on the field of play can be decided by this "all-seeing eye"). Of
course, this third umpire can decide whether he wants to watch an event in
slow motion before ruling on it. 
     Also, none of the 3 umpires will have to be on the field for more than
two sessions in a row. The umpire in the stands will communicate with the 
other two using a walkie-talkie (hope they keep their batteries charged).
     On the face of it, this sounds like a good idea. There is so much money
in the international game today, and players are always complaining about
umpires' decisions - this may help reduce the level of dissent. One of the
drawbacks is that it may slow the flow of the game at times, since everyone
on the field will wait for the third umpire's ruling (I suppose this umpire
will only rule if asked to by the two on the field). This experiment has been
tried in American football, with somewhat mixed reviews. Football flows at 
a slower pace, though, and the gaps between play times tend to be larger.


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From: pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:05:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.195938.741@news.columbia.edu> pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.165835.27340@unislc.uucp> ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
>>The other day I heard that kapil is playing for east bengal in soccer 
>>which made me think how many cricketers have represented their country
>>in another sport?
>>
>>	One named gopalan (?) represented India in both hockey and cricket.
>>	Iam not sure of the name but the "gopal" part of it is definite!
>>
>>	Also I remember charlesworth of Australia (I suppose hockey fans
>>	would know him better) playing for western australia and thus does not
>>	qualify as a double international.
>>
>>Please add more...
>>
>>ramana ramachandran
>>ramana@unislc.slc.unisys.com
>
>The "batsman" who received the infamous underarm delivery (yes, I'm 
>STILL going on about it), whose name for some reason escapes me at the
>moment, also played rugby for NZ, I think.
>
>Cheers, Paul

I remember now, it was Brian McKechnie (spelling wrong, I suspect).
Phil Horne also played badminton for New Zealand.

Cheers, Paul, again
From: kumbhani@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (dhaneesh kumbhani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:36:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul22.165835.27340@unislc.uucp> ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
>The other day I heard that kapil is playing for east bengal in soccer 
>which made me think how many cricketers have represented their country
>in another sport?
>
>Please add more...

(please correct me if I am wrong but ... )
Viv Richards : Soccer, Cricket.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: Pakistani Players Use Filthy Language!?
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.000220.14580@access.usask.ca>, sundaram@skorpio.usask.ca (Meenakshi Sundaram) writes:

|> In article <92206.095447SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

|> |> In article <1992Jul23.213153.2012@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
|> |> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) says:
|> |> >
|> |> >also how come no one talks about gavaskar's hundred against New Zealand,
|> |> >which would have been the fastest if he had not slowed down near the hundred
|> |> >mark.
|> |> >
|> |> no. he was pretty quick till 95 (71 balls) but then he slowed down and got his
|> |> 100 off 85 balls. however, the record (62 balls) by azharuddin was never
|> |> seriously threatened.


Well, I never thought a record yet to be established can be "threatened" ....

Seriously, Azhar's record was established _after_ Gavaskar's century. Azza's
record was established in late 1988 (when NZ visited India), one year after
Sunny's century in the Reliance cup.


|> |> Stay cool,
|> |> The Thinker


|>                  Heading and contents do not have any relevance.


Hmmmmmmm .....

Then, what about the heading of your post?! If Spaceman was lazy to change
the title, you could've atleast changed it [in other words, heading and
contents [of your post] (which merely said that the content and the title of
someone else's post had no relevance) do not have any relevance! ;-)] .....

As Thinker says, stay cool .....


--------
PVR Narasimha [SRT is simply the best
               Whether it's an ODI or a test] Rao

"The best seem to appreciate Ramanujan early. The rest of us have to need some
of his work before without really appreciating it."

          --- Richard Askey, a University of Wisconsin
              mathematician deeply involved in Ramanujan's work
From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: absurd ranji rule
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:59:24 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU


Here is an incident which proves how absurd the ranji rule was a few
years back. This happened 2 years (?) back in the Bombay VS Delhi semi final.

Bombay entered the final with first innings lead of one run or so.
Bombay batted first and then dismissed Delhi for one or two runs less
than their total. In the over ( or may be a few overs ) before the last
Delhi wicket fell there was a runout chance which the bowler Rajput missed.
The interesting thing is that if he had taken that runout Bombay would
have lost the first innings lead because at that point they were
trailing in overrate and would have given some penalty runs.
Actually what the news papers wrote was Rajput knew that and purposefully
avoided running the batsman !.

Isn't it strange that if you had got them allout earlier you would
have lost, and by not doing so you win ( get first innings points ) !

This also remainds an incident about overrates. Gooch and another
bowler bowled 42 overs in an hour for Essex when they were very
slow in overrate in a county game a few years ago !!

							--muhunthan 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca 
Subject: Re: I am a neo-nazi
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:49:11 GMT

I > 	To all inferior races:   
> > 
> > 		The true master race is back and as always ready...
> > 
> > 	I challenge all lesser races to prove this fact for themselves
> > 		I want an intellectual discussion on the merits of 
> > 			bashing the inferior races out of existence
> > 				as we almost succedded with the jewish scum
> > 
> > 						God Bless You
>                                                 

These idiots are seeking some attention. Maybe they were 
abandoned as a children or maybe abused sexually by other 
neo-Nazis. The readers of this group should always ignore
these postings. DON'T RESPOND OR COMMENT as that is exactly what
they want you to do. Being ignored will work much better than
flames. Silence will kill them.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: gkb1@chempc1.york.ac.uk (Graham Barlow)
Subject: England innings, Stuart waits in pavilion
Organization: University of York, UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:10:13 GMT

Gooch and Atherton opening, Gooch takes strike

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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NMR Service                              or gkb1@tower.york.ac.uk
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University of York, UK                                
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From: ckhan@BBN.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: MSCL All-Star game
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: ckhan@BBN.COM ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


The Massachusetts State Cricket League will be playing it's All Star game
this Saturday (August 1st, 1992) at 4:00 p.m at Roberts Field on Dunbar Ave.,
in Dorchester.  Besides being a regular game, there are a couple of unique
aspects that we have been working on for the past year that's finally going
to happen.

First of all, it's the first day/night game in the 90 year history of the
MSCL.  The first inning will be played in daylight and the second team will
bat under the lights in the evening.  We will be using white balls and black
sightscreens, but unfortunately the players will be wearing white clothing.
I'm a little concerned about the ball getting lost in the white background
of the bowler's clothes as he follows through, but there's little we can do
about that since we cannot afford to outfit everyone with coloured uniforms.
Has anyone had any experience with night games under these circumstances?
If so, how difficult was it for the batsman to pick up the ball, especially
if the bowler's follow through was more or less in line with the delivery?

The second and most important point is that this will be the first game in
Boston to be televised LIVE.  We did have a game earlier in the year which
was taped to be packaged into a half-hour highlights show but this time we
have 6 hours of live TV time.  True, it's only a local television channel,
but it's a terrific start for us and can only lead to bigger and better
things in the future.  In addition, the tape from this Saturday's game will
be used as a video resume for the league as we go out looking for sponsors
and additional media coverage for cricket.  We have already been successful
this year in getting both major newpapers in Boston, the Globe and the
Herald, to carry schedule and scores of MSCL games on Fridays and Mondays.

For those of you in the New England area, do try to come out to the game.
The larger turn out of spectators we can muster, the greater the PR value
of the video.  Besides, we have two very evenly matched teams and the cricket
promises to be exciting to the finish.  And for those in other parts of the
country, I think it would be informative if we can trade ideas on RSC on
the things that are being done in your leagues to promote the game and even
if we can't actually work together, we can at least share ideas and use the
best of those ideas from various leagues and locations in our attempt to
'spread the gospel.'

If anyone would like more information about the game, call me or, better
yet, send me email.

Chico.

Home:     617-287-0452
Business: 617-873-6119

p.s  On a more personal level, another first occurred last Sunday.  I was
bowled by an American bowler for the first time, one of maybe only a dozen
Americans in our league out of maybe 350-400 players.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: Question on No Ball
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:43:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.103407@is.morgan.com> andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>I recently called "No Ball" on the first delivery of the game because the bowler
>had not declared his bowling style to me. In the back of our scorebook it clearly
>stated that a bowler must decalare his bowling style to the umpire and must also
>declare any changes to it. As an afterthought,

So any spinner bowler must tell in advance before he throw a googly,
or a leg spinner bowls an off spin!!!

> I checked in Wisden for the same
>ruling but could not find it anywhere - it merely said that a bowler must declare
>any *change* to his bowling style; no reference was made to the initial style and whether that had to be declared. What do you all think? Was I correct?

NOT AT ALL!! then what fun is left in the game!

>
>Andrew Coad
>Morgan Stanley
>New York
>(212) 703-2379
>


Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: hamiltl@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Leon Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Dean Jones 
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:15:39 GMT

amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
: 
: With all this talk about overseas players becoming qualified to play for
: English counties, and the national team (eg Hick), and the acceleration of
: regulations to allow them to play sooner, what do you think the chances are
: of Dean Jones becoming a citizen before the next test match??? :-)
: 
: (For those not following county cricket, he has just scored a century in
: each innings against Pakistan, one of them unbeaten, and Younis and Akram
: were both bowling)
: 
: Andrew M.
:
Not bloody likely mate. Dean Jones is an Aussie true and true. The only
reason he plays over there is to keep inform in our offseason. If your
county teams didn't have Aussies in them they would get there arse
absoloutley kicked every time they walked out onto the ground.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.024146.16500@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.152522.13876@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>|> 
>|> In world cup there were some bad/wrong decision by the umpires at different
>|> times and different matches, but there was no hue or cry raised by the
>|> teams/players......
>|> Another example in 1987 world cup semi final two bad decisions by umpire
>|> non other then shepard and dickybird cost pakistan the match against Australia
>|> (not to take credit from Australia), but no untoward incident took place in
>|> that matche also...
>|> 
>
>	what do you mean 'not to take credit from Australia'?
>	That is exactly what that sort of rubbish is trying to do.
>	If the umpiring did 'cost pakistan the match', then of
>	course you are taking credit from Australia.  
>	
>	tom
>

Hey! i am sorry for not being clear enough in that sentence.. so cool 
down now. Australia did out play Pakistan in that particular match
as did England outplay them in recent Headingley test, but there were
some bad decisions against pakistan in both games, dont you agree with
that?

Cheers

S.R.Raza.
From: craa27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: A Report : NUSCF 1992, Loughborough University
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:23:55 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul21.111116.11996@lut.ac.uk>, Kelvin Ho<K.K.W.Ho@uk.ac.lut> writes:

I wonder if you would be interested in expanding the entry for your next
festival, as I'm sure that Strathclyde would love to provide a team if invited.

-- 
Steve Holmes 
craa27@uk.ac.strath.vaxa
Strathclyde University
041 522 4400 X 3576
From: kashif@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mohammad K. Qayyum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Hockey Info needed!!!
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:45:37 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

Sorry for intruding on the Cricket Stuf, but does anyone know how to
see/hear the hockey mathes from the Olympics here in the U.S.? 
Apparently NBC is not showing them. Is there any hockey fan out there???
Heeeeellllllllppppppppp !!!!!!
.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Question on Umpiring and LBW
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:24:09 GMT

In <9221100.27444@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:

>Probably, though not for the reason stated - the players have to appeal,
>and while "How's That?" is explicitly in the laws (27(2)) as a suitable
>method, nothing otherwise limits exactly what words should be used.
>However the umpire is entirely within his rights to ignore inarticulate
>shouts - though he couldn't reasonably give a batsman not out because
>of such a thing, noises made by the bowling team are just noises.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Sure, but not when the bowler has turned around to face the umpire, 
and is jumping up and down, arms upraised :-) What if the bowler is a 
deaf-mute ? Or simply, struck dumb by the occasion :-) I might be, if I trap
SRT plumb in front first ball !! Surely, no articulate words are necessary 
to constitute an appeal ? An 'aaaarrrgghhh' is definitely an appeal IMHO,
although depending upon the situation, it might also be construed as 
intimidation of the umpire, and a chance for the adjudicator to earn some 
money :-)

>kre
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu,
University of Minnesota         |        karnik@atto.cs.umn.edu
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: absurd ranji rule
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:07:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In <nr0sodg@fido.asd.sgi.com> shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:

>In article <Brz1F1.7tv@acsu.buffalo.edu> sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam) writes:
>>
>>Bombay entered the final with first innings lead of one run or so.
>>Bombay batted first and then dismissed Delhi for one or two runs less
>>than their total. In the over ( or may be a few overs ) before the last
>>Delhi wicket fell there was a runout chance which the bowler Rajput missed.
>>The interesting thing is that if he had taken that runout Bombay would
>>have lost the first innings lead because at that point they were
>>trailing in overrate and would have given some penalty runs.
>>Actually what the news papers wrote was Rajput knew that and purposefully
>>avoided running the batsman !.
>>

>No, that would *not* have happened. The scoring-rate rule is applied
>in the Ranji Trophy only if both sides do not complete their first
>innings.  If Rajput had run out the last Delhi batsman when he had the
>chance, Bombay would have walked into the finals on the first-innings
>lead, regardless of the scoring rate.

	Waitaminnit, it's not the scoring-rate rule that would have been
applied here, it's the slow-overrate rule! If Delhi had been allout then,
Bombay would have been penalized @ 12 runs/over short, and they had bowled 
several overs short at that point. So, with those additional penalty runs,
Delhi's 1st-innings total would have exceeded Bombay's score. Later, Bombay
caught up with the overrate, and dismissed Delhi 1 run short of their score 
to go on to the finals.

	Come to think of it, this must have been the quarters, not the semis,
since Bombay haven't made it to the Ranji finals for some time now....

>Personally, I think the scoring-rate rule and the first-innings rule
>both stink. But they are necessitated by the even crazier knock-out
>4-day tournament. The whole concept of a knock-out multi-day
>tournament is silly.

	Hasn't this now been rectified ? With three teams from each zone now
qualifying for the next stage, I assume the qualifiers will play a round-robin
with maybe two groups, to decide the finalists... or do they still have a 
knock-out competition ?

>Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu,
University of Minnesota         |        karnik@atto.cs.umn.edu
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From: ajl@syllogic.nl (Albert-Jan Luikinga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Netherlands vs Danmark
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:15:04 GMT
Organization: Syllogic B.V., Houten, the Netherlands

On august 1st and 2nd two one-day internationals will be played on the
Hercules C.C. cricketground at Utrecht Holland between the Netherlands
and Danmark.

The Dutch overseas players like Levbre, P.J. Bakker and van Troost are
not playing. Anybody knows if Mortonson is in the game?








Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: Forget Gatting and acknowledge the miscond
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:58:59 GMT

In article 4880@athena.mit.edu,  nalin@athena.mit.edu (Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake) writes:
>	While agree with most of the arguements above I cannot remember you ever
>	concede that on this occasion the Pakistani players were IN THE WRONG!!!
>	Arguing with the umpire is unacceptable. It seems that you want the
>	Pak authorities to reward this display like Gatting was rewarded. 
>	Fine! But then NEVER bring up the Gatting incident again.

Nalin, 
Please check your facts before posting. In my original posting on the Aaqib incident, 
the match reports I posted on that test, and a few subsequent postings since, I have 
repeatedly maintained that Aaqib and Miandad were wrong in arguing with the 
umpire. Period. Check it out. 

My posting then went on to explain why, perhaps, a world class bowler like Aaqib 
would stoop to bowl bouncers at an obvious batting rabbit like Malcolm, a fact 
that had seemed not to occur to most of RSC at that time. 

Hopefully this is clear now. 

	--SAN
From: D.G.D.Clark@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Headingley - overnight
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:19:25 GMT

Pakistan  165 for 8 (283 min, 66 overs)

Aamir Sohail c Atherton b Mallender 23 (34)
Ramiz Raja b Pringle 17 (60)
Asif Mujtaba b Mallender 7 (54)
Javed Miandad c Smith b Pringle 6 (68)
SAlim Malik  not out 57
Inzamam-ul-Haq c Hick b Munton 5 (80)
Wasim Akram run out 12 (111)
Moin Khan c Hick b Lewis 2 (117)
Mushtaq Ahmed not out 6

Extras (b1 lb2 w7 nb14)  24

Lewis 16 4 36 1
Mallender 19 7 55 3
Pringle 17 6 41 2
Munton 8 3 19 1
Gooch 6 3 11 0

Pakistan have a lot to thank Salim Malik for despite his running
out of Wasim Akram. The bounce of the pitch is very uneven.
If the rain holds off it wont last five days.