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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:54:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep2.154439.6741@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
 > If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
 > looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.

My daughter (nearly 1 year) doesn't seem to like pretty pictures
nearly as much as she likes books she can do things with.  Like
"Where's Spot?"  and "What Else Could It Be?" (I forget the authors)
and "Open House" by Rodney Peppe'.  In "Where's Spot" she gets to pull
up paper flaps to see what's under the stairs on one page, in the
closet on the next, and so on.  In "What Else..." she gets to stick
her fingers into lots of different shaped holes.  In "Open House" she
gets to pull a tab to see what's inside the windows of various houses.
These are the books she'll sit with by herself and thoroughly enjoy.

She has many other books as well, and she's getting more interested in
them these days.  Lately she's taken to walking over to her bookshelf
and pulling out a book and then thrusting it toward Mommy or Daddy as
a signal to read it.  Generally, though, after about half a minute
she'll get up and walk over to her bookshelf to pull out another book.
On several occasions she has completely emptied her bookshelf in this
manner.  So it seems to be more of a game with her right now, but when
she's a little tired she'll actually sit through a chapter of
something like Winnie the Pooh or a complete reading of something like
the "Clifford" books.

By the way, her favorite book so far seems to be the photo album we've
been keeping with her best pictures in it.  Since she was about 6
months old, she's loved leafing through it, letting out an excited
"Ooh!"  each time she turns a page.  At first, when she ran out of
pictures and hit the blank pages, she would get a worried look on her
face and we'd have to flip it back for her, but pretty soon she got
good at flipping back and forth.  It amazes me how fascinated she is
with this album!

--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:52:35 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

How many employees do there need to be for such a plan in
order for it to be worthwhile to the employer to institute it?

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nighttime Potty Training
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:00:27 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: sgauch@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu

Laura is 3.6 and pretty reliable during the day.  However, she is
a very heavy sleeper and I still put her in a diaper at night.  I've
told her that if she wakens and wants to use the potty, she can
remove her diaper herself or come get me.  She has a small potty and
toilet paper in her room.  This has only happened once, for a bowel
movement, shortly after she fell asleep.  Her diaper is always
SOAKED in the morning.  Some mornings, the Pampers is so full it
leaks and drenches the bed (this happens less now that I've managed
to convince her to pee immediately before putting the diaper on).

Sometimes, she asks to go without a diaper.  The first time she asked,
she stayed dry all night and peed abour 2 cups (literally!) in the
morning.  She wet the bed the next 3 nights in a row.  So, we put her
back in diapers and said "When your diaper is dry in the morning, then
we'll know you're ready to sleep without."  She occasionally asks to
go without a diaper, so I remind her to keep her diaper dry at night
and that as soon as she does that, she can go without.  The diaper is
always soaking in the mornings.

Am I discouraging her from trying unnecessarily?  

If she wet the bed a few (dozen) times would she learn to use the potty 
at night?

Is having the diaper on encouraging her to pee when she wouldn't without
it?   Note:  I doubt this since when she naps (which is only about
once a week) we don't put a diaper on her.  If I wake her, I remind her to
use the potty and she does.  If I let her sleep until she naturally
wakens, she wets the couch (which is where she naps.  Boy, am I glad
we have a leather couch!).

Anyone else have older children in diapers at night?

When do you stop using diapers and resign yourself to changing
sheets on a regular basis instead?

Are there larger Pampers? :-)
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: estier@nike.calpoly.edu (Ellen Stier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Brushing teeth - When to use toothpaste?
Date: 25 Aug 1992 12:19:13 -0500
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Our son had his first dental work done at 18 months (that's another
story). Part of his initial visit was a flouride survey where we had
to give a sample of our drinking water, how much flouride was in his
vitamin, etc. When we got the results back, we were told he should be
brushing with flouride toothpaste (in addition to the flouride 
vitamin his pediatrician prescribed) - approximately a "pea-sized"
amount. The flouride recommendation was not in reaction to his other
dental problem -- it was a standard recommendation for his age.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 13:50:28 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski) writes:

> Judy,
> 
> The second spouse must be a student, looking for a job and therefore in
> need of daycare, or employed.  Stay-at-home parents do not qualify for the
> either the tax credit or the DCA.
> 
> Jean Jasinski

Nor do you qualify if you are not a "full-time" student.  I had that problem.
I continued school part time after my son was born, and hated the fact that
I couldn't get the tax credit for his day care.  Oh well, at least that
problem has been over for a year.  :)


-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.kids, dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>
>Just to tag on to Andy's point, I happen to have the _Guide to Baby
>Products_, Second Edition, published by Consumer Reports Books.
>Here's an excerpt entitled "Walkers:  An Overview of Recent Medical
>Research"
[stuff deleted for space]
>"..._Are walkers being misused?_   The main reason for purchasing a
>walker, according to 75 percent of the parents questioned in one
>survey, was to pacify their babies and keep them quiet and happy.
>Sometimes parental misuse of the walker can contribute to accidents.
>One study found, for instance, that even though their babies were
>hurt seriously enough in walker-related accidents to be taken to the
>hospital, within two months two-thirds of the parents had put the
>babies back in walkers again. [4]  Babies most likely to be
>seriously hurt in accidents were those who spent as much as an hour
>or more a day in them.  Most walker accidents happened in the early
>afternoon when only one parent was home and parental attention was
>lagging..."
[more stuff deleted for space]
>
>Diane C. Lin                    "Live now; make *now* always the
>dlin@weber.ucsd.edu              most precious time.  Now will
>(Dylan's mom, 20 months)         never come again." (ST:TNG)


I would just like to make one comment.  Walkers themselves are NOT
inherently dangerous, it is how they are used/misused.  Of course
there is a danger if you have stairs and don't block them off while
the child is in the walker (this would be true if the child was walking
on their own).  Also, if you leave the child in the walker for an
unreasonable length of time, it may cause their legs/feet to develop
incorrectly.  However, if you use a walker correctly (i.e., never
leave the child unattended or for any significant length of time, etc.),
a walker can be a wonderful tool.  For a particularily active child,
a walker is enjoyable for all, relieving frustration of both parent
and child, and, once your child is independently mobile, stop using
it.  Just use your common sense.

My two cents worth,

Nancy
From: @email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Request for aid for hurricane victims
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Distribution: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:43:41 GMT

This is my first post (although I've been lurking for several months) and I
apologize in advance for mistakes!

As I'm sure you've heard, Hurricane Andrew has left an estimated 250,000
people homeless in the South Dade area including many families with small 
children. There is an urgent need for baby items -- diapers, wipes, baby food,
juice, formula, clothing, etc. Supplies are starting to come in, but much more
will be needed. Most of these people not only lost homes and property, but
their places of employment as well.

If there are collection points for hurricane Andrew victims in your area,
please remember these families. Probably you can make donations of supplies
or money through your local Red Cross chapter or other local churches or
agencies.

Personal note: I live between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale and fortunately was
spared the worst of the storm. Lots of wind (80-100 mph) but, thank God, no
significant damage. Only trees down, power out for 14 hours and a VERY scary
night. There but for the grace of God go I .......

Mary Beth Northrup
(mommy to Sean, 14 mo)
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Jordan at 7 weeks old
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:59:42 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

Jordan is learning stuff--and it's so neat to watch!

Last night, he was lying on a quilt under his Sesame Street Activity
Gym, and swinging his arms.  He hit one of the hanging characters, and
turned his head to look to see what his hand had hit.  I don't think
he realized that he's the one who made it swing, but he did recognize
that he'd hit something, and deliberately turned to look!!

He was still on the quilt when he started fussing.  I was too lazy to
pick him up and carry him to the changing table (he's about 13 pounds
now), so I got a diaper and kneeled down. By this point, he was
crying.  As soon as I unsnapped his pants, he stopped crying.  

It was the first indication I've had that he was crying to
_communicate_, not just because he was uncomfortable.  As soon as I
indicated that I understood and undid his pants, he stopped crying--he
didn't wait until I undid his diaper.  I'm pretty impressed!

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: rear-facing seats
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:18:48 GMT


Concerning having the seat in the middle back as opposed to the front
passenger side, I also read the section where it said that if there is only
one person in the car, the seat should be in the front passenger seat.
What the pamphlet ALSO said, though, was to not place the seat in any
position where the belt didn't lock.  My 91 Honda Accord SE's front seat
belt doesn't lock except upon impact, which means the carseat could twist
prior to the locking of the belt.  That means -- no use in the front seat
(we thought we could get a replacement belt -- in fact we did get it -- but
it doesn't fit in our car.  Darn!).

Also, (as had been discussed previously ad naseum) if you have a passenger
side air bag, you shouldn't put the carseat in the front seat.

We got a mirror, but its not great.  Still, it does give me some indication
of if Alison is spitting up (which is our major concern, since she went
back to the hospital 20 min after she came home because of a spitting
up/choking indicident).

	Karen

PS.  If you have any suggestions concerning fixing the seat belt in a car
like ours -- of which there are more and more -- then I would like to hear
them.

PPS.  If your belt is like ours and only locks upon impact of acceleration
sometimes and you were in an accident and something happened to your child,
I doubt the carseat manufacturer would be liable since it states that we
are not to use this type of belt under any circumstances.  Oh, we have a
Century infant seat and the Century 5000 -- both with the same instructions
(though in 2 different places in the manual).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:58:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.163428.9941@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>Is a water bed more comfortable during pregnancy
>than a traditional mattress?  YES YES YES!!!  I got a waterbed 2 months before
>my first was born, and suddenly, I could sleep!  6 years and 3 kids later,
>I still have it, and still love it.  I've heard different opinions about
>whether or not it's safe for kids, but MY opinion is that it's fine - just
>keep it well filled so it's firm, and of course, don't leave an infant un-
>supervised on it.  I always nursed my kids in bed, then fell asleep with
>them in my arms, and there was never a problem on the waterbed.  Hope you
>find SOMETHING to make it more comfortable to sleep at night!!
>
>Valerie Thompson 

I, too, love my waterbed (had it for, gosh, almost 10 years now).  However,
being VERY pregnant and crawling out of a waterbed 6-10 times a night is
no fun.  Sure, it's comfy when you're laying down, but the extreme effort
to turn over (pregnancy made my sinus go crazy and I couldn't breathe well)
and to get out (and in) to go to the bathroom drove me out of mine the last
month.  I slept MUCH better on the sofa, where turning over, while not
easy, was much less effort than on the waterbed, and getting up to go to
the bathroom was a piece of cake.  Not to mention that my husband slept
better with me out of the room (my sinuses made me snore, too).
Also, being on the sofa was better in another way:  the tv was near for
cures for all that pregnancy-indeced insomnia.

I never thought I'd opt for the sofa instead of my beloved waterbed, but
I did.

Nursing my first was great in the waterbed.  My second doesn't nurse. :(

Jennifer
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New England misc.kids picnic
Date: 1 Sep 1992 13:35:30 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Okay, everyone - the date's set: it's gonna
be Sunday, Oct. 4th. This is when the most
(20 families (in whatever form they may take :)
so far) of us can make it, and also gives us
some time to get it together. My apologies
to the two misc.kidders who wanted to come
but can't make that date - I did the best
I could to accommodate the most people.


So, now to get organized !!

First, is there anyone with a more reliable
mailer than mine who'd be willing to put
together a mailing list, so messages like
this could be emailed instead of posted
(to the relief of all you non-New Englanders)?
Let me know, and I'll send you a list of
all email addresses.  Thanks.


Next, we need a place to have this thing.
Suggestions so far have been: Lars Anderson
Park in Brookline, MA (about 15 minutes
SW of Boston) - they have bathrooms, fields,
a playgroung
(whoops) playground, etc.

Drumlin Farms in Lincoln or Sudbury (about 30 minutes
W of Boston) - not sure of facilities

And the most optimistic suggestion: someone's big
backyard. I'd volunteer my medium-sized one, because
it would be great to have easy access to a bathroom
and kitchen (the latter for heating bottles, etc - *not*
for food preparation) but my house is gutted at the moment
:(   

So please email other suggestions - you have till Friday,
at which point we'll send it out for a vote.


Third: Food. Our choices are 1) potluck 2) each family
brings their own 3)catering (Boston Chicken or something
like that (for those not from Boston - they do rotisseried
chicken, side dishes, corn bread - fairly inexpensive) and
collect $ at the picnic.   I'd be willing to arrange the
catering, but not to organize the potluck, so if you vote
for the latter, also let me know if you'd organize it.


Fourth: Activities: I'm no good at this at all. Anyone
like to take charge of this? You know, organize
games or something. Me, I'm perfectly happy to just
schmooze with everyone and admire the kids, but those
with older kids especially might want to make sure
someone's bringing balls and stuff.


So, there are four things you should let me know:

1) Are you coming (how many and ages would be good for planning)

2) Where would you like to have it? This is preliminary brainstorming.

3) What would you like to eat. If potluck, will you organize it?

4) What would you like to do there? Will you organize activities?


Lastly, who will be in charge of a mailing list (I'll still field
responses - the list would be for convenience only)?

I will be glad to send out directions to chosen destination, provide
name tags (!), organize catered food, if we choose that, and make
sure there're paper plates and stuff.

PLEASE RESPOND ASAP.

looking forward to seeing you all!

-Dena
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In Diane Lin's excellent summary of walker dangers, it sounds as 
though nearly all of the walker-related injuries were due to falling 
down stairs, and most of the remainder to an inadequately-childproofed 
home. 

Given this, I see no reason (other than cheapness and the dragging 
effect our carpet has on little wheels) why we shouldn't get one, 
since there's nothing remotely resembling a step in our home. The 
evidence that walkers don't aid in learning to walk doesn't sway me, 
as there's no doubt the baby'll be walking soon enough, and I think 
that the evidence that using a walker as a toy inhibits proper walking 
technique is equivical at best. From what people say, walkers are a great 
toy.

Conclusion: great summary, but I'm unconvinced.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
_________________________________________________________________________
The Republican platform calls for the extension of the 14th amendment to
 "unborn children." Saving the life of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy
would thus require deliberate murder of the embryo--which the state could
   not possibly then allow. About 1% of U.S. pregnancies are ectopic.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:22:44 GMT
Keywords: grass 

In article <1992Sep03.015005.2222213@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.030628.23546@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>In article <3880119@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> olney@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Doug Olney) writes:
>>>
>
> <past, present choices deleted>
>
>Our next choice will be grass.  A nice thick carpet of fescue mixes cut slightly
>long to give a soft cushion for falling babies and mommy's bare feet.  Maybe
>in 1995 ;-(
>
That's what we thought.  But don't count on the nice thick carpet of grass 
surviving the wear and tear of little feet.  Our entire backyard is covered with
grass (except where the poles were cemented in and the grass hasn't covered) and
wherever the kids run/scrape their feet, the grass dies.  This is especially so
directly under the swings and at the foot of the slide.  And when the water for
the grass will make the ground harder.

However, beyond the immediate "runways" near the swings, the grass is nice and
soft.
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: God's Family Values 
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 03:20:06 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA


In article <17fu2jINN1dq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de writes:

!
!In article <714704878snx@whizbang.wariat.org>, mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark
!  W. Schumann) writes:
!|> 
!|> In article <2A8FBE70.3782@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com writes:
!|> 
!|>! In article <aidler.714030781@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan
!|>!  Idler) 
!|>! writes:
!|>! > It would be negligent for us as parents to not
!|>! > teach our children the truth to they may 
!|>! > choose happiness throughout their lives.
!|>! 
!|>! Here we go again.  Prejudicial, judgmental, and calling non-xtian parents
!|>! negligent.  And yet some still wonder what non-xtians find offensive in
!|>! this 
!|>! type of stuff.
!|> 
!|> Read carefully.
!|> 
!|> "It would be negligent *FOR*US* to not teach our children..."
!|> 
!|> I don't see anything wrong with Idler saying this.
!
!Okay, I only pretend to know English, but doesn't "for us as parents"
!imply "for all parents"?

No.  "Us" == "Adler and partner".  "Us" == "misc.kids readers" is
quite a stretch IMHO.

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>