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From: glatz@emily.uvm.edu (Terry A Glatz)
Subject: To Brand Fredrick: Reply to mike questions
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:11:04 GMT

Hi Brand,
 
Sorry for not replying via E-mail, you need a 4 year degree to figure out this
friggin message editor on this system. All I know how to do is post Visual News.
 
Anyways, I purchased my AT4033 from Advance Music Center in Burlington Vt.
There phone number is, 863-8652. I think I got the last one, but they are good at getting stuff in within a decent time frame. 
     
Here is the mail order information you asked for. These places may carry the
AT4033
 
8th Street Music.
1023 Arch St. Philadelphia PA 10107.
1-800-878-8882

AVR Audio Video Research.
65 Main Street, Watertown MA 02172.
Tel:(617)942-0660. Fax:(617)942-0497
 
Full Compass.
5618 Odana Rd, Madison WI. 53719.
1-800-356-5844.
 
American Pro Audio.
1-800-333-2172
 
Sweetwater Sound Inc.
5335 Bass Rd, Ft Wayne IN 46808. 
(219)432-8176

Caruso Music.
Dept. OS, 20 Bank St. New London CT 06320.
Tel: (203)442-9600 Fax: (203)442-0463
 
The Muzic Store.
Tel: (914)969-7817 Fax: (914)969-7098
 
Chuck Levins Music Center.
Wheaton Maryland, I dont know the phone number, sorry.
 
Vennemins Music. 
Rockville Maryland, dont know there number either but operator can get it.
 
Well, this is all I have found so far, I will keep an eye out for more places. Llet me know if you havnt found the AT4033 from these places.
 
I know Advance Music can get it, and they will ship it to you. If you call
them, ask for Bill Shaffer. He is the owner and a cool guy. Tell him Terry
Glatz sent ya....
 
Well, I am off to the studio, have a good one.
 
-Terry Glatz
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: anyone familiar with Dick Hyman Moog albums?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:21:37 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

I believe there was an earlier one, called simply enough, "Moog".

This would date back to circa 1968.  I had borrowed the LP from a
friend and recorded it on a long-gone tape deck; alas, all connections
to the album seem to be gone.  

A couple of track names:

  The Topless Dancers of Corfu.
  Tap-dance through the memory banks.

One of these (Dancers, maybe), used a digeridoo patch (literally a patch
in this case :-) and some rather interesting riffs.  I had already lost
my recording when the '74 ELP live tour album came out, but the improvised
riffs on the "Aquatarkus" section of _Welcome back, my friends..._ sound(ed)
curiously familar.  Methinks that Keith Emerson was a Dick Hyman fan.

If anyone knows of a source of this LP, I'd love to get a copy.

Pete Brooks
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg DSS1 keyboard/sampler/synthesizer
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:20:55 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

In article <wiley.718053455@crooks> wiley@wiley.b11.ingr.com writes:
>I have a friend who wants to sell a Korg DSS1.  Both he and I were
>wondering what a fair market price for this would be today.  He thinks
>it was about $2000 new (a few years ago).

I paid $525 for a used DSS-1 (no extended memory or SCSI) about 2 years ago
so figure today... $400-$600 for base model. There is a BIG difference
between the quality of that machine compared to say, an EPS. (13bit).

But the thing about the DSS-1 that kicks major ass is the ability to
use sample sources as synthesizer elements, filters, the built in DSP, etc...
I find the DSS-1 one of the BASSIEST muthas around and one of the most
etherial muthas too... Definately worth having.

<X>orcist

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:25:49 ADT
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Keyboard feel

> Eirikur Hallgrimsson  writes...
> In article <1680258@hpsad.sad.hp.com>, smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
> writes...
> >This is one reason why I always play the keyboard of an instrument without
> >listening to its output as part of an evaluation.  Maybe they just haven't
> >had the right patches, but I've never like playing the Chroma.  I like a
> >keyboard that has a bit more resistance at the top, then a bit of give in
> >the middle, and then a bit less resistance at the bottom, like the original
> >DX7.  But my all-time favorite keyboard action is the Hammond B3.  It
> >almost feels like it's pulling my fingers down!  Give me that action in a
> >touch-sensitive, lightweight keyboard, and I'd be a very happy camper.
>
My favorite all time keyboard was on an pipe organ I played while I was a
student in Toronto. It had what they called "Tracker Action", but it was
really electro-pneumatic. The keyboard had very high resistance at the top,
and when you finally pushed hard enough, it went down very easily. It had
an advantage over real trackers in that the pressure was the same no
matter how many couplers and supers were on.

To be honest, I actually hated it at first because my playing was so sloppy
from playing on mushy keyboards, and this one required a VERY precise and
uniform touch. Once I was used to it...wow... I loved it.

I wanted to get a keyboard from the organ company (Casavant), to build into
a MIDI controller, and wrote to them about this. I forget the exact amount,
but it was $thousands beyond my budget. I settled for plastic, but have
never forgotten...and some day....

>
> Just to point out that I'm not a weighted-keys bigot, for string pads, and
> similar things, I want an unweighted keyboard that sets to volume of each note
> equal to key depression distance.  I might be able to kludge something like
> this by using a synth that allowed me to use poly-pressure as volume for each
> note.  This would be good for working inner voices, and fun could be had
> computing derivations of velocity and depth for use as another modulator.
>
I have done this with my EPS. It is very nice to be able to ride volume on
each note of a chord, but tricky to get used to. I should spend more time
practicing with it set that way...or maybe I should just spend more time
practicing :-)

Alan


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From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What about "classical" sounds?
Keywords: symphony orchestra
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:39:50 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Sep29.222714.8545@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> aluffi@cauchy.math.fsu.edu (Paolo Aluffi) writes:
>
>I am in the right mood to buy me a new sound module---have had an MT32 for a
>few years, and would like to upgrade. Here is the problem: the only sounds I
>am really interested in are the sounds of "classical instruments", as the ones
>one would find in a conventional symphony orchestra, plus pianos, harpsichords,
>and stops of a pipe organ.

>A while ago I finally run into a module almost devoted to orchestra sounds
>(what was it? a "symphony"? something of the sort) but I still wasn't impressed,
>and I don't think it had e.g. good harpsichords.

An Emu Protues 2, maybe?  (presumably you're talking about sample players).
It's interesting that you find the harpsichord samples  unsatisfactory, as 
that's a relatively easy instrument to get sort of right.  I suspect if you 
don't like those you probably *loathe* most of the winds and strings.  

>I am sure the technology is there, but I don't know where to get the right
>information: my feeling is that I am not the standard "costumer", so people in
>stores, although absolute experts, can't quite answer my questions.

I'm not at all convinced the "technology is there;"  I've heard some sample players
(notably from Kurzweill) that have momentarily startled me with their authenticity
on certain acoustic sounds.  Every time I've dug beneath the surface, though,
I've found them to be limited as far as timbral variation with volume (ditto
pitch), variety of attack, and a lot of other things.  There might be some wonderful
thing lurking in the bowels of the Media Lab, but in the affordable consumer market, 
I don't think you'll find what you're looking for;  it sounds like your standards
for authenticity are pretty high.

IMO the only real uses for such boxes (as they exist now) are (1) generating a flat, 
two-dimensional mock-up of an acoustic performance (e.g. for prototyping a live
acoustic performance), and (2) generating backgrounds where you
hope nobody's listening too closely, or where the sonic limitations are covered up in 
the mix.  The sounds generally don't stand up to close scrutiny;  every sample player I've
heard requires a healthy suspension of disbelief.  Perhaps if you had a sample player
with Gbytes of memory, hundreds of samples to cross-fade, *really* flexible modulation
routing  and some type of controller far more expressive than a keyboard, you might 
begin to hold out some hope.  But I wouldn't call Sam Ash just yet. 

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From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod)
Subject: Re: DX7 list was Re: CZ101 for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:57:51 GMT

kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) writes:

>In <1686E13210.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>>The possible sounds are great, and it's a hell of a lot better deal than
>>>paying $500 for a DX-7!!!!!
>>>(which is what they're still going for as far as
>>>I know....now that's a real ripoff!!!)
>>Well, at least they aren't going for the original list of $1395.

>Eeeeeek!  I paid $2,000 for mine in 1983!  Granted that I was only 14
>at the time, but are you sure it listed for that much lower than I
>paid?  (There were no cool music stores where I lived at that
>time....)

>Rob

I believe it listed for $2600 when I bought mine.  I paid about $1500 though.
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:53:08 GMT
Organization: Dicomed, Inc.

In article < (Jim Smith) writes:
>In rec.music.synth, eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:
>
>
>>In article <BvAnuC.5ns@cdsmn.mn.org>, plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes...
>>>music store.  The keyboard!!  Amongst the most cheesy keyboards I have
>>>touched.  The original Mirage being another example of a strange feeling
>>>keyboard. 
>
>>One weird thing that I have noticed about keyboards is that the velocity curve
>>on the sound that you are listening to influences how the keyboard feels. This
>>mapping must be pretty subjective: the only instruments that really feel right
>>to me playing the factory patches are the CZ-1 and the Chroma.
>
>  But my all-time favorite keyboard action is the Hammond B3.  It
>almost feels like it's pulling my fingers down!  Give me that action in a 
>touch-sensitive, lightweight keyboard, and I'd be a very happy camper.
>
This has always struck me as a short coming of most synths I have played;
Because is can make a variety of sounds and because the keyboard is not
physically attached to a resonant cavity/chamber/box/whatever, I often
feel more (much more)detached from the sound than I do with acoustic based
keyboards.  Another factor may be the delay (although some would argue that
it is imperceivable) between the time you hit the key and the time the
CPU has interpreted and sounded the tone (This of course does not apply
to synths which do not incorporate a CPU :).  

There are several keyboard instruments that make me say, "This instrument
plays itself!"  Examples being: Hohner Clavinet (funky, funky, funky),
A good Rhodes, A fine grand piano, and of course the Hammond B3 organ.

I have always been pleased with the DX7 (and now the V50) keyboard, but
they don't play themselves.

Of course, these are not opinions, these are straight facts ! :)

Regards,
Doug Sr.
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Cubase Audio for sale (mac)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:38:54 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


        Brand new, perfect manual, etc.
 
        I'm selling it because -
 
                The current version doesn't work properly with large
or multiple monitors (I have both.. :).
 
                I'm in love ith Studio Vision, Galaxy, Max and OMS.
 
        MIDI input "burps" when recording if you are playing back two
tracks of audio (w/large monitors - ie over 640x480).
 
 
                        $550
 
                        Ken
 
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From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re-announcement of Yamaha TX-16w mailing list
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:35:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa

I just wanted to take the time once again to announce that I am
operating a mailing list for users of the Yamaha TX-16w samplers, and
incidently, users of the new SY-99 that want to get information on the
disk-loadable samples that they can use, which are supposedly quite
compatible with the TX-16w disk format. We have an ftp site that is
associated with the list for archiving samples and newsletters, and
there is often interesting discussion of the virtues and pitfalls of the
machine. 

For more information, or to sign onto the list, just send me mail at
<selick@csa.bu.edu>
From: geoff.peters@p4.f820.n680.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Geoff Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for info on Oscil
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:38:08 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: five
 > .  I don't want the CEM.  I can get them easily 
 > enough).

Where?! Somebody give me an address where I can buy CEM gear!!!


Geoff


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From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:10:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:

>I find that my tastes are very relaxed with respect to the velocity sensitivity
>of keyboards-- I can play anything from an Xk to an A-80 and adapt fairly
>quickly. Where *I* get finicky is with pressure sensors. 

This isn't too surprising to me, since you admit to not being primarily
a _keyboardist_, and also, of course, with your extensive use of dynamic
modulation (I still think that the VFXsd poly pressure is quite useful, you
just have to be subtle with it).  Anyway, I actually feel that I _can_ play
about anything.  Hey, after years of having a Rhodes, Clavinet, and Vox
Jaguar in my stacks, just about any modern keyboard feels kind of nice.  
I've also spent some time with various pipe organs, some of which were not
in great repair.  (If you think some synth is slow to respond, try a large
tracker organ sometime!)
I also have no problem with different sized keys, like a CZ101 (or even my
trusty little hot-rodded Casio M10).  But for sheer inspiration, I like a
certain feel, and that feel is decidedly not mushy.

>>Hey now everybody, now.  -- They Might Be Giants

>I think I preferred icktang, big guy. |->

It'll be back, I gorontee it, oh Franctious one..   :->

>| "God damn you, Metlay. God damn you to hell."

THIS, on the other hand, is, of course, redundant.  :-}

Perhaps you'll prefer my new sig.  |-o :-> It was great fun visiting with you 
and the rest of the West Coast r.m.sers who could make it.  I highly recommend
getting together with r.m.sers in YOUR area, friends!  It's definitely
interesting  to continue a long-going conversation with 
someone you've just met.

"Transactional diseases                      Jim Smith
Are the only thing that pleases." - anon.   smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
From: airpreet@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sunny Singh or Airpreet)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: wanted: DX7
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:39:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, WI
Distribution: usa
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Originator: airpreet@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

hi..
	looking for a used dx7... cheap!!!

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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: rackmount K2000
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.1495
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

Well, the K2000 rack, dubbed the K2000R, is finally on the shelves in 
music stores.  (I picked mine up yesterday!)  

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:09:05 HOE
From:         "Juan P. Cerezo" <JUAMPE@IIC.UAM.ES>
Subject:      Info needed on GSP-5

Please, could anybody out there give some feedbacks-comments-suggests
on the Digitech GSP-5 signal processor ?? How about its MIDI features ??
It's supported on some of the usual IBMPC music products ?? What's
the "normal price dor a used unit ?? It's an old unit (approx. release
date) ??
Thank you very much in advance...

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From: cseb@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de (Christian Sebeke)
Subject: Mail order house in the U.K.
Reply-To: cseb@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Univ. Hannover, LFI, Abt. Design&Test
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:55:13 GMT

Hello

  Could you recomment a mail order house in the UNITED KINGDOM that
ships music equipment to the continent?

Thanks for your response.

Christian

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From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Subject: K5/K5m question
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:48:47 GMT


     I don't think Mr. Hays' question was understood.  He was trying to 
alter which patch was occupying a particular slot (1-15) in a MULTI
without editing OR changing MULTI's.  My wavestion does this using program
changes.  It can do this because each "performance" is assigned to a MIDI
channel in Multi mode.  On the K5, several patches canbe assigned to the
same MIDI channel, so it is likely that if this can be done, it would be by
a SYSEX message, part of whose code would be the MULTI # and the slot
number within that MULTI whose patch identity we sish to change...and then
of course the new patch number.  I am not aware of any such message under
version 1.2, which I assume is still the current version, since I got it
after they were out of production.  Anybody know any different?

							Bob
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From: sullivan@nodename.dec.com (Greg Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:08:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BvK4CK.6qH@cdsmn.mn.org>, plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes...
>There are several keyboard instruments that make me say, "This instrument
>plays itself!"  Examples being: Hohner Clavinet (funky, funky, funky),

What does a Hohner Clavinet sound like? Could you give me a few examples of
popular songs? I've heard this talked about before, and I would like to know
more about it.

I seem to have a fascination for all those old electro-acoustic instruments.
(Rhodes, Wurlitzer, and I think there's some old electric upright sound that I
like, too - whatever they used on Stairway to Heaven - nice 'basey', sustained
electric piano) 

Greg.
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From: thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon, I3.KI 2665)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Peavey SP Sample Player
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:08:38 GMT
Reply-To: thomas@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.

Can anyone tell me about this sample player.  An advertisement here
claim you can add up to 32 MB of memory using standard SIMMS.  How many
voices does it have?  What possiblities are there for creating patches
from samples (e.g. filters, modulation possibilities, envelopes,
effects ....).  Does it support MIDI multimode?  How much does it
cost?

I began to get interested in this beast when I noticed that there are
CDs for sale here, cheaply, which contain the samples from every
sample-based synth on the market.   Is it possible, more or less, to
emulate any sample player on the market with a Peavy SP?   A Proteus,
for example?

Thanks.

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5205 Sankt Augustin 1 / Germany
email: thomas.gordon@gmd.de;  phone: (+49 2241) 14-2665
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From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: PAN vs. well
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:41:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


	I'm looking for an online servise with alot of Max (Opcode Systems)
traffic.  Discussions, patches, etc.  Which service is more active?

	Any other comments about either service and comparisons between the
two would be appreciated.

				Thanks	
					
				Ken

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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:08:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: K2000R should be ready shortly.
Comments: To: Synth-l@american.edu

A couple of posts have mentioned how the K2000R will have the feature
of an "extra" SCSI port. Because it is a rack unit and cannot act as
a master controller, it's place is in a SCSI chain and therefore
NEEDS to have two SCSI ports(like most external SCSI drives). If
it only had one, the designers would be objects of derision and ridicule
shortly after its release. Because it has two they will not be, but
I wouldn't see it as an "extra".

Bill Scott