HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.155642.13968@wuecl.wustl.edu> yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung  
Liu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.164240.18341@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Finally, if I am not wrong, I don't think Wang Zhao-Jun went to Tibet. She  
went  
> >to north where probably is the People's Republic of Mongolia now. 
> 
> After all, we don't have a program so call "Voice of China" to lie to
> people all over the world. Thanks to the L.A riot, it tell the truth.


What's your point? I guess your sentences are too profound? Please be a little  
bit more detailed. Any relation between the above two paragraphs?

Carl
From: Who@the.hell.are.you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post!
Summary: anonymous
Keywords: anonymous posting IS possible
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:23:11 GMT
Followup-To: anonymous post
Distribution: usa
Organization: this does not have to be true
Originator: 111@222.333.444.555

Look at this! ;-)
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Japan military spending
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:52:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to an article in the International Herald Tribune (29-30 August
1992), Japan military budget will increase 3.6% starting from next April
(April 1993). This growth is the smallest one since 1961. So, the total
budget will be US$37.57 billions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: New topic of discussion: China's Elite Culture
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:31:42 GMT

In article <liqiang.714953557@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>Netters: allow me to propose a new topic of discussion on the net - China's 
>Elite Culture: Her Past, Present and Future.
>
>Q1: Does China have an elite culture now(I understand she did exist throughout
>    China's history)?
>Q2: Is it necessary to have an elite culture at all?
>Q3: What is the future outlook of China's elite culture?
>Q4: How should one compare China's elite culture with those of non-Chinese
>    nations?
>
>These are just preliminary questions for this supposedly broad issue. I hope 
>we can come up with some interesting ideas through interation. 
>
>Have fun everybody.
>
>Cheers,
>Li, Qiang
>


Perhaps you could be more specific about what you mean by 'cultural elite.'  
By this do you mean those involved in the fine and performing arts or do you 
some other group of people in mind?

Robert Sanders
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for friend Liang Yung Chii
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:01:23 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw201



Looking for friend Liang Yung Chii

*******************PRIVATE******************************

Hi Liang Yung Chii,

Have a nice day, mate.

How about your work on power semiconductor devices?
Every thing O.K.?

Have you memerized the following equation yet?

        rot H = J + par(D)/par(t)
        rot E = - par(B)/par(t)
        div D = charge density
        div B = 0

This is a joke, not a flame, not even a discussion.

***********************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: American Politicians
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.222534.418@tamsun.tamu.edu>, ffeng@cs.tamu.edu (Fang Feng) writes...
>I don't know how many people watched TV when Bush and Quale
>gave their acceptance speech on the last day of Republican
>convention. I almost watched the whole evening. I realized
>that American politicians are so ugly; they cursed their
>opponents and didn't have many ideas themselves. 
> 
>We often blame some officials in our country. I thought
>the leaders in this nation don't have much intelligence
>either. If they were China's leaders, they would have done
>nothing. 
> 
>They kept saying their country is the greatest nation in the
>world, but we need to ask how much they contributed to the
>greatness.
> 
>Fang Feng

As you mentioned, the conventions were ugly. A lot of my American
friends felt that way too. However, the convention here is much
less serious than the Party's Congress (Dang3 Dai4 Hui4) back home.
So, just down play it, do not take that seriously
From: yuliu@milton.u.washington.edu (Yu Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16, Americans, Chinese
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:24:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I heard this news from a radio talk show. I think from any points of view, it
is a bad news for both mainland and Taiwan. I don't agree unification by arms,
nor do I like Taiwan independence. To my surprise, many American callers said
"It doesn't matter that we sell them..", "I feel all right to do so", or 
"It should be done a long time ago". Yes, the American goverment is sending
the killing machines to OUR motherland, not to these American's home yard,
as it has been doing so to many other countries. So they can just sit there
and watch the two tigers fight, and at the same time enjoy getting billions of
dollars. What a dirty politics! A few days ago, we did donation to south
Florida to help people from the hurricane. Now, the American is selling
fighters to our home, and they feel it is all right. When the Americans are
suffering, we give them a hand, and when we have argument, they send us a gun.
Shame the Americans!

Y. Liu
------------------------------------
Disclaimer: All views presented here are my own, not UW's.
yuliu@milton.u.washington.edu
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Aug27.042457.2128
Distribution: usa
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug26.235940.21388@> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>will not prevail. Ofcourse CSS should not go back to China, simply to
>increase the literacy rate of China or scientists, engineer population among
>gerneral populatoin. China need Chinese around all over the world too, to
>promote good relationship with local people, to keep an eye on the local, the
>globe egg is not much big. 

Agree, let the people themselves to decide where they want to live.
The so called protection bill is just to give Chinese students here
a chance to choose to stay or to go back. If someone is determined to
stay, what's the good to force him/her to go back!?

>But worst of all kinds, in order to get better living, treatment from U.S.,
>defame China in front of the world, is not acceptable morally, not acceptable
>to those individuals involved.
>China has suffered from all kinds of tragedies, please do not add another
>one!!!!

This is not true. The people being critical to Chinese government
have always been consistently critical. I don't see why it's "to defame
China" for personal gains. I respect them as people struggling for 
the benefit of all Chinese people. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fsbrn12@venus.lerc.nasa.gov 
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 16:37 EDT  

In article <1992Sep1.203657.12612@bnr.ca>, xyang@bnr.ca writes...
>In article <17vv05INN338@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan) writes:
>|> 
>|>        White males think Asian girls are cute, nice, smile all the time, 
>|> care for their boyfriends, good cooks.
> 
>Don't you agree? I can't agree more. :-) What's your experience of 
>dating Asian girls? If it's different from the above then try to 
>prove to your white male friends that Asian girls are not worth 
>according to your experience. If your experience fits the above
>description why don't you try to grab a Asian girl from a 
>white guy by show her you're better. :-) (Sorry for any white
>man who has an Asian girlfriend: I don't mean you!)

From my limited experience: Cute? Yeah, some. Nice? Well, depends on
what you mean by nice. Smile all the time? No, definitely not; cries 
occasionally. Definitely. Good cooks? Oh yes, you'd better believe that.

Question answered, here's my opinion: I think Chinese girls (I don't
want to generalize to Asian girls) are more finicky. Compare to
white females, they are harder to please. The easy going ones are
rare (but can be found:-). On the other hand, American girls are 
smoother, easier to get along with, and better conversation partners.
But then again, my opinion on this may be completely off, because
I don't have enough data points:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 30 Aug 1992 13:32:51 GMT

In article <92Aug19.100156edt.108@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>it is not groundless speculation.  There is no Yuan Dynasty records
>of such a person.  Historians are arguing about whether Marco Polo
>really visited China or not.  
>

In his book, Marco Polo described LuGou Qiao in detail which is known as
Marco Polo bridge. How could Marco Polo did that? Was he a psychic who
could dreamed about something he never saw before?

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:25 GMT


I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu Xun, 
one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?

Robert Sanders
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xinjin@athena.mit.edu (Xinjin Zhao)
Subject: Chinese Word Processing
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:43:49 GMT

Cuold someboby out there tell me whether or not there is a mailing list or
discussion newsgroup on Chinese computing, word processing, etc?  If yes, where?

Thank you.


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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Image of China 4 (sources only)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:22:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

West Image of China (Part 4)
(some historical sources up to 1910 - publication dates)

24. Herbert A. Giles, "The Civilization of China", (Williams and Norgate,
London, no date, preface dated 12 May 1911).

25. Hosea Ballou Morse, "The International relations of the Chinese Empire",
(3 vols., Longmans, Green and Co., London, 1910-18).
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Image of China 2 (sources only)
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:04:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

West Image of China (Part 2)
(some historical sources up to 1910 - publication dates)

8. Juan Gonzales Mendoza, "Historia de la cosas mas notables, rtos y
costumbres del gran Reyno de la China", Rome, 1585.

9. Matteo Ricci, "De Christiana Expenditione apud Sinas Suscepta ab
Societate Jesu", Augsburg, 1615.

10. Du Halde, J. B., "The general history of China", trans. R. Brookes,
(4 vols., J. Watts, London, 1741).

11. Francois Quesnay, "Le despotisme de la Chine (Despotism in China)",
Paris, 1767.

12. Juan Gonzales de Mondoza, R. Parke (trans.), George T. Staunton (ed.),
"The history of the great and mighty kingdom of China and the situation
thereof" (2 vols., The Hakluyt Society, London, 1853-4).

13. Thomas Taylor Meadows, "The Chinese and Their rebellions, viewed in
connection with their national philosophy, ethics, legislation, and
administration to which is added, an essay on civilization and its
present state in the East and West", (Smith, Elder & Co., London, 1856).

14. A. F. Lindley (Lin-Le), "Ti-Ping Tien-Kwoh: the history of the Ti-ping
revolution", (2 vols., Day & Son, London, 1866).

15. S. Wells Williams, "The Middle Kingdom, a survey of geography,
government, literature, social life, arts, and history of the Chinese
Empire and its inhabitants", (2 vols., Charles Scribner's Sons, New
York, 1883).
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:28:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

|>The point here is not the difference between provinces and colonies, it is
|>whether and People A can treat people B better than People A treat 
|>themselves.

The strange thing is that this IS true in China, minority students have
pariority when they apply for college, even though some minority groupes
(for example, man3 zu2, the ethnical groupe governed China from 
16 century to 1912) are mixed with the Han and have no difference 
with the Han.

Ze Yang
From: zeng@mth.msu.edu (Zhonggang Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A thought on Shen Tong's arrest
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:22:23 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <92247.200805LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>He wanted to establish some shit of fund for democracy and did not
>intend to overthrow the current Chinese goverment? Come on! You are
>talking to kids or what? If you have had a chance to read Shen Tong's
>book "Almost a Revolution", you will come up with the fact that he is
>a one of those who want to overhtrow the goverment.

Are you still in the dark age of cutural revolution? Is INTENTION a
crime in your mind?

>Waht the Chinses ordinary people need is a better life which is composed
>of more money. Freedom of expression or speech? not the first priority.
>Pro-freedom-of-speech-ers, you are not getting along with the mainstream
>of Chinese people.

1. 
The most absurd attitude is to self-claim that "I represent the mainstream
of Chinese people" or "I'm protecting Chinese' interests", like William
Deng and LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu. Is there any servey or vote supporting your
claim? None! Only an assumption.

2. 
Let's assume you are right: Freedom and democracy is the second, or 10-th
priority of most of Chinese people. So what? If somebody takes care of my
100-th priority on which I don't have time to do, I would be grateful. I
doubt whether LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu would be that stupid to say: "you 
pro-my-1000th-priority-ers, get out! You are not getting along with my
mainstream." Would you?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.211932.16483@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>>>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>>> ...
>>> I am too old to feel flattered for that.
>>> ...
>>>I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me, myself
>>>too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also on
>>>observation the society of States.
>>
>>What's so hurting that makes you post two responses in 1.5 hours?  Are you
>>really too old to survive here? :-)
>That is a minor issue! Do not deserve your attention and rest of CSS.
>>
>>The original message was CLEARLY addressed to some of the overseas CSS
>>who are FGNCing and ass-kissing CCP/CG at same time, your original message
>                  CCP/CG do not deserve my "aas-kissing", I have not personal
>gain or lose to kiss or not kiss CCP/CG.
>I I kiss MaiGuoGuiZi, I could have more material gain, but live without
>self esteam.
>>merely happened to be chosen to start the topic/discussion :-)
>>
>>It's fine that you plan to go back, there was a Cambridge Ph.D. on SCC who
>>announced that he would go back and he did it in a few months in 1991, and
>>his return is verifiable - his big name is printed on People's Daily from 
>Silly! Are you trying to  start who_go_back faster contest?
>It is no shame to go back to China, it will not move any body to go back to
>china for the sake of posting on People's Daily.
>Do not distract from original issue---a shame, a lousy acheme, .....
>>time to time, page 1 or page 3, don't know if you can make yourself 
>>verifiable like that Cambridge Ph.D. :-)
>>
>>Anyway, don't bother to start the mess on which system is better (or your
>>"observation"), simply watch the direction of main stream of immigration,
>No body will say a word, if you want to become a "banana". Just do not
>do it at China's expense.
>>people always vote by their feet like yourself!
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Bo Xiong in Chicago
> 
> 
I got lost! What is the point here? Is that just a matter of personal choice?
We say we all believe democratic principle, then why we have to worry about
the other body's choice? Just like the US Congress, why can not it let Chinese
people deal our problem ourself, instead of protecting these, sanction those?
So, you guys please stop it and just listen what the other people are saying!
Daniel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28143234@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.140845.21411@ctr.columbia.edu>
>|>>>>> "Yanbin" == Yanbin Yu <yu@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu> writes:
>|
>|  Yanbin> It is like a game between the mouse and cat. If they cannot
>|  Yanbin> capture you, cat will be a very nice animal to a mouse.
>|
>|Guess not. Saw a documentary about cat-family on PBS, it's more likely that
>|the cat will wait PATIENTLY until the rat comes out that rat hole ;-).
>
>
>	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a tiger hole
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
The previousely immgrated mice will sure team up with cats, try everything 
they can to convince yet-to-immigrate mice that tiger hole is an
awful place to live.

>and live happily thereafter?  :-)
>
>
>    Eddie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Awarding the Medalists (Re: Awards To Medalists, What A Waste!
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:55:33 GMT

The following discusses whether the awards to Chinese Olympic medalist 
proper. I have some points to remind you when thinking about this:
1) In some countries, gold medalist even got as much as around 1000000$.
2) Atheletes worked very hard,god knows how many hours in a day, and how 
many days in a week, which is more than ordinary workers in a 
factory/company.
3) The commercial they bring to the society could stimulate sales and 
thus comsumes.
And what they got is nothing compared with what they generated.

In article <1992Aug26.121528.58412@cc.usu.edu>, ma@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.125500.804@unine.ch>, Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch writes:
>> In article <92238.104240PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>> From reports so far, a chinese Olympic gold medalist could get as many as
>>> 230,000 RMB yuan (80,000 from the government, 50,000 from a beverage factory
>>> in China, 100,000 from a Hongkong richman) not including a gold can promised
>>> by another soda factory. These money are wasted (well Almost). The winners
>>> surely deserve the awards. But these huge amount of money did not play the
>>> far more important role: inspiration of devotion to sports, more gold medals
>>> in the future. Just read the People's Daily, you will see why. They are so
>>> shy (or shame) to report the awards to athlets. Any article about awards
>>> was printed as less remarkable as possible. They just wished they could
>>> find tiny fond to print such reports.
>>> 230,000 yuan would stimulate many, many, many more people to train hard, to
>>> become better and better athlets. I have no doubts that those athlets thought
>>> more about the awards for themself than honors for the country when they were
>>> at the Game. I not blaming them. That is nothing wrong. I am just poiting out
>>> that money is reason people are working for. I am so disappointed that the
>>> chinese media didn't try their best to let every chinese know the awards those
>>> Olympic medalists got.
>> 
>>   No, perhaps the People's Daily didn't, but surely local media did better.At
>> least one local newspaper I got in hand in its first page writes the reward for
>> medalist(80,000 for gold, 50,000 for silver and 30,000 for bronze) using very
>> big fond. And all the people know the athlets will get huge rewards much much
>> bigger than they could earn in life.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter
>
>I think there is nothing wrong to give the medalists that much awards. 
>To get a medal in OG is not an ordinary job. I just simply can't do it no 
>matter what I can get from it.
>Some people in China now get that amount of wealth without even sweating
>, any red-eye-ers should be directed at them, instead of some hardworking
>lifesuffering athlets.
>Ma
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep2.150744.9759@acuson.com>
	<92Sep2.152455edt.119@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:16:13

The claim that Cuba was virtually a U.S. colony and that this was the
reason for Castro's success is axiomatic in leftist circles, i.e. it
doesn't require any supporting arguments.  Not everyone who subscribes
to that view accepts such axioms.  Could it be refuted by the existence
of a diplomatic note from the Secretary of State to Batista asking him
to allow more democracy and Batista ignoring it?  Or is it a higher
truth immune to any kind of evidence?

Anyway, precisely what is a "virtual colony"?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china