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From: sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever)
Subject: Religious Stuff
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:59:23 GMT


I am sorry my earlier posts angered you - I said that I didn't mean
anybody any harm.

The reason I am posting to the groups I did is 1) I am new to Usenet
and 2) I started reading some of the posts (stories, mostly) in these four
groups and was taken somewhat aback by their content.  I also saw in
some of the groups some quite intelligent discussion about the problems of
the world.  My response taking those twotypes of posts into consideration
was "why don't these people just read the Bible?"

Maybe this sounds naive to you, but I come from a very religious family,
and I have learned through custom and experience that only Christ
through His miracles can save us.  Stories about having sex with airplanes
and other things even worse - too horrible to even mention just take the
issue away from Christ.

Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
quality of Usenet.  I cannot believe in the things you do but in
retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.

Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?

W/Respect,
Steven "Sgreever" Greever

Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Stelarc Info Wanted
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:10:28 GMT

 
Could anyone please send me a list of articles/interviews with Stelarc?
Does anyone know how to get a hold of this guy??
 
Thanks in advance.....
 
You can e-mail me directly at JGUSCOTT@Kentvm.kent.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov (Curt Wiederhoeft)
Subject: Skinny Puppy, "Back and Forth Series Two"
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:22:31 GMT

This is probably going to sound like a very stupid question, but
I don't follow this newsgroup, and Skinny Puppy is the only industrial 
band whose albums I buy (I do listen to others, I just borrow the discs).
So here goes:

I understand that this is a reissue of "Back and Forth," plus a bunch
of other stuff, but the cover seems to imply that this is also #2 in
an "In the Beginning Series" from Nettwork. Is this true, or am I just
misinterpreting the whole text? If it is true, which band put out #1?

Please e-mail any replies. Thanx.

Curt Wiederhoeft
curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: djperry@husc11.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:17:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <3024@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>What is the name of the newest Thrill Kill Kult release?  I believe it
>was a 7" but i can't be for certain.  Someone?  I haven't seen TKK
>mentioned at all in rec.music.industrial.  Do you think it belongs here?
>I don't think i know of a category for their queer, 70s disco, Wax Trax
>sound, let alone a newsgroup!  Talk to me, Thrill Kill fans, i know
>you're there!
>
>Matt

That last thing they released that I know of was a single for Sex On Wheelz.  I
think they haven't been mentioned because a) they haven't put anything out in 
approx. 2 years; b) their last album was not in any way, shape or form 
industrial, or even dance industrial.  I hope that their next effort (if there 
is one) is more like Excessive Force or I See Good Spirits.

deX!

-- 
Hate is a fuzzy puppy.
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: pbancrof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Phil Bancroft)
Subject: ALT.INDUSTRIAL FAQ????
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 20:32:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct29.200317.18808@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnakamur@nyx.cs.du.edu (Damo Nakamura) writes:
>In article <1992Oct29.061622.24378@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gdyer@nyx.cs.du.edu (George Dyer) writes:
>>
>>
>>I am a new reader of this group and would like to know what
>>it is really like.  I have seen articles ranging from technology
>>and the environment to something about 1 year olds and gas tanks.
>>Please tell me which is the more normal type of post and what the purpose
>>of the group is.
>
>
>Well, almost anything "industrial" goes - it's kind of free-form anyway.
>If you have a topic in any way relating to "industrial" culture, don't be 
>afraid to post!
>
>BTW, somebody really needs to do a FAQ for this group....  A new FAQ that is.
>DAMO
>

Very much agreed. WHat do you all think we should put in it?
My recommendations: (these to please everybody not just me with my own
	opinions)
	
	1) Industrial Records and the birth of "Industrial Culture"
	2) Influences from Futurist, Dada, Postmodernist movements
	   (artistic justification into the creation of an "alternative"
	    industrial culture)
	3) Industrial music since Industrial Records + other associated art
	4) The Cyberpunk movement
	5) The Rave movement
	6) Infiltrations of "industrial culture" into everyday society; 
	    popular culture
	7) Resource lists:
	   	Recommended music
		Recommended reading
		Recommended films
		Recommended performance art shows
		FTP sites for essays, etc. (thes will have to be set up)
		(begrudgingly) - recommended club/rave locations....



Does this sound like a good structure or do you have other ideas?????

Please post,
P H I L  B A N C R O F T

"THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dammitTHINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:49:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov10.065923.21891@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
>quality of Usenet.  I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>W/Respect,
>Steven "Sgreever" Greever

Agreed totally.
Welcome to the world, Steven.
Nice to have you aboard. :)
peace.
r.
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: maytag@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MAYTAG CHRISTOPHER PRAY)
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:57:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.071741.15546@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:

>>Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
>>quality of Usenet.  I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>>retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>>believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>>it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>>
>>Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>>
>>W/Respect,
>>Steven "Sgreever" Greever
>-------------------------
>Well, Steven, I think you will find that most people, and I don't mean
>some simple majority, but like 90% plus people on the alt.* newsgroups
>are here to tell you that they don't believe that stuff that you were
>taught, and they even think it's so unbelievably wrong that they might
>actually rid the world of that type of belief with a wave of their
>hand, if given the power, and without a second's thought. Many of them like
>me would be happy to rid the world of that form of belief with a wave
>of my hand even if it meant the violent horribly painful death to all
>people who hold such beliefs. That should shock you to your core,

  Mr. Walz, you are an asshole.  You have no right to make claims about what the rest of us in alt-land think.  It is also unbelievably screwed of you to spew this shit about 'horribly painful death', _EVEN IF_ this newsgroup is remarkably tolerant. The fact that you CAN does not give you an asshole license.

>possible, as your kind has taken western culture down the blind alley
>of fear and guilt for much too long. I would gladly give my life to

  Speaking of fear and guilt, exactly what is it about Mr. Greever's message that scares you so much?

>get rid of all people who believe as you do. The dark ages are just
>now ending. Get used to it, and by the way, find a better religion.
>Yours really sucks a turd and a half.
>- Steve Walz

  You object in the most asinine manner to Mr. Greever's message, and then proceed to TELL HIM WHAT TO DO, which is what you complain of in the first place.  I'm no bible-thumper, but I don't need to tell Mr. Greever that a) I'm right and b) he's wrong.  If he is wrong, he's welcome to BE wrong.  Ditto for me.
  You have shown yourself in several messages to be intolerant, rude, either stupid or under the effects of intelligence-supressing drugs, and generally a pain in the ass.  While you're welcome to exercise your rights here like the rest of us, do it with a little more finesse and thinking before you jump in and expose yourself as the asshole it appears you are. Grow up.



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From: mf2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Raymond Feely)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Ye Golden Rule
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:56:00 GMT
Organization: Senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Steven Greever writes...

>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", there would be no problems in society.AA

    I disagree. 
    *I* like to eat pepperoni and onion pizzas. It does not follow that
I should attempt to feed pepperoni and onion pizzas to everyone I know.
I like to be called by my full first name. It does not follow that I
will or should call everyone I know by their full first name. I like to
express the love I feel for people I'm intimate with by encouraging them
to grow and develop as independent people. It does not follow that I
think everyone should practice love this way.
    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a very nice
try. But it fails to take into account the fact that others might not
want done unto them the things I want done unto me. 

    Dunno 'bout y'all, but I think that presuming the rest of the world
does, or should, live to my standards is the most monstrous form of
arrogance possible.

    Try this one for a solution instead. "Do unto others as the wish
done unto them, in return for their providing equal consideration for
you." It's a little more complex, but a lot more civilized.

>(Disclaimer - these are fully my own opinios - I mean nobody no harm)

    Cute. I always liked double negatives.

>to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
>practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  Jesus can show you all your

    Moi? I'm shedding tears of blood for the sake of being trained to
produce architectural beauty, not ugliness. If I was a delinquent, I
wouldn't be in college still, after three years of it. As for deviance,
you're entirely right. I do deviate from the norm. But so do you, so I'm
not worried much. (After all, the majority of the world's population is
female. That makes you a minorty interest right there.)

>true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly

    Funny, I've managed to be co-operative and friendly without Jesus
needing to tell me how to do it. 
    Jesus taught, as you'll recall, in parables. He gave his followers
information, but he didn't spoon feed them ideology. Jesus respected his
apostles, and knew they'd stand on their own two feet, as good men are
wont to do. He didn't need to tell them what to do and when to do it. He
led by setting an example, not by telling folk what that example would
look like.
    It's very disappointing to see that that lesson of his has been lost
in these latter days. 
 

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CMU did make me this way, but they'll never admit it.	
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Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,rec.music.industrial,alt.postmodern
From: gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen)
Subject: Sex + Cars + Critics on Acid == Art!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:27:13 GMT


I lost the previous posts - but who was it who was arguing that our
technofetishism (and carrying it to extremes) was part of some
fascist artistic movement (the Futurists) and therefore it was inherently
fascist?  Anyway, I really beg to disagree on both counts... Like the people
who drool over race cars etc. today, the Futurists were NOT a typically
fascist movement.  I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago really)
that it was Mussolini that liked them, and not the other way around...
In my understanding of Fascism if you were an artist the government liked
- you'd better devote all your time to producing for that government as
sort of a propagandist.  I would think that some Futurists joined the Fascists
just for survival - kind of an extreme but very forced "selling out"...

In my understanding the Bauhaus also made concessions to the Nazis, yet
they were originally and officially representative of the Weimar Republic.
Their school in Germany eventually ended up getting destroyed by Nazi forces
_because_ some of them were still anti-0nazi.


My point is, why make the generalization that all Futurists were fascist,
or especially the statement that Futurism is inherently fascist?  Just
because some were forced into submission and cooperation with Mussolini
doesn't have anything to do with whether today's Futurists have anything
to _do_ with fascism.  One must take circumstances into account, is what
I'm really trying to say.  Artists are people too, and when 99.9%of the
people are forced into compliance with a fascist government, you'd better
bet that most of the artists will be too, especially those taking such an
apolitical stance.


This kind of crypto-generalization is why I'm disgusted with 90% of the PC
movement anyways..

Geoff Allen



Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
From: sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever)
Subject: Re: My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:07:50 GMT

In article <3024@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>What is the name of the newest Thrill Kill Kult release?  I believe it
>was a 7" but i can't be for certain.  Someone?  I haven't seen TKK
>mentioned at all in rec.music.industrial.  Do you think it belongs here?
>I don't think i know of a category for their queer, 70s disco, Wax Trax
>sound, let alone a newsgroup!  Talk to me, Thrill Kill fans, i know
>you're there!
>
>Matt

Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,rec.music.industrial,alt.sex
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:51:55 GMT

Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 4-Nov-92 Re: ROBO-COPULATION by
>Phil Bancroft@nyx.cs.du. 

>    Phil, it is good to see your posts moving in a direction where you
>have begun to offer sound argument in support of them.

Yes, Phil has started on the Path to Illumination :)

>>         2) Problems arise when these emotional responses cloud the
>> rational and intellectual faculties of mankind.

I'd suggest that believing mankind has rational and intellectual
faculties is itself an emotional response. Who was it who defined
the human brain as an organ which loves to hear fantastic descriptions
of itself?

>> This is why I post all the time.  THINK, people, THINK!!!!!!!!

Achtung!!!

>    This is the kind of comment you print which annoys me.

Aw, hell, Phil can be a lot more annoying than that :)

>> P H I L  B A N C R O F T
>-Scott

	-Mike

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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:58:59 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> AND, just to get it back to the original subject of sex and machines, conside
> the idea of wire-heading in the works of many authors, notably Niven. If you
> could get the ultimate sexual experience from a wire into the brain, would
> personal social interactions become obsolete ?

Nah, I'm sure some kinky soul would figure out a null-modem for the
wireheads.... ;-)



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From: gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen)
Subject: Re: My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:07:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.091722.17127@husc3.harvard.edu> djperry@husc11.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) writes:
>In article <3024@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>>What is the name of the newest Thrill Kill Kult release?  I believe it
>>was a 7" but i can't be for certain.  Someone?  I haven't seen TKK
>>mentioned at all in rec.music.industrial.  Do you think it belongs here?
>>I don't think i know of a category for their queer, 70s disco, Wax Trax
>>sound, let alone a newsgroup!  Talk to me, Thrill Kill fans, i know
>>you're there!
>>
>>Matt
>
>That last thing they released that I know of was a single for Sex On Wheelz.  I
>think they haven't been mentioned because a) they haven't put anything out in 
>approx. 2 years; b) their last album was not in any way, shape or form 
>industrial, or even dance industrial.  I hope that their next effort (if there 
>is one) is more like Excessive Force or I See Good Spirits.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Granted, these were excellent albums, but so is Sexplosion!
Why, oh why is it that people harp on a band for crossing genres, for "not
being industrial???"  Does "not industrial" exclusively imply "bad"?

>
>deX!
>
>-- 
>Hate is a fuzzy puppy.



Geoff Allen

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:58:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Nov5.155839.21508
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

So why the fuck can't artists do whatever kind of music
they want to do without all you assholes saying "GOD it
was HORRIBLE".

Sexplosion was by no means industrial, but it was fun.
Deal with it.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
        There are always connections; you have only to want to find them
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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:16:43 NZST
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Distribution: world
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sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

> Maybe this sounds naive to you, but I come from a very religious family,
> and I have learned through custom and experience that only Christ
> through His miracles can save us.  Stories about having sex with airplanes
> and other things even worse - too horrible to even mention just take the
> issue away from Christ.

   Note well: None of the four groups crossposted to had anything to do with
religion. "Taking the issue away from Christ" implies that He was bought into
the matter at all, which was not the case.

> Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
> quality of Usenet. 

   Really ? Keep reading. Sturgeon's Law applies to the UseNet in all it's
glory.

> I cannot believe in the things you do but in retrospect I had no right to
> criticize them. 

   Actually, you have a perfect right to criticize. The problem is, by basing
your criticism on a particular interpretation of a moral system which is NOT
followed by the vast majority of the audience of said criticism, you find
yourself open to flaming.
   Given the large and diverse group of individuals found on the Net, ANY
moral precept cannot be automatically assumed to be universally held. With
such groups as alt.sex, criticism should probably be based on factual or
scientific grounds.

> You believe what you believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do. 
> Until then, it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
> Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?

   Agreed.

AND, just to get it back to the original subject of sex and machines, consider
the idea of wire-heading in the works of many authors, notably Niven. If you
could get the ultimate sexual experience from a wire into the brain, would
personal social interactions become obsolete ?

Tony Q.
no .sig, no .worries
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.prose.d,alt.sex,alt.cyberpunk
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 04:07:51 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Story: The Morbidity (Deth Hedd's Fourth and Final Story sent th
	<rauser.720907473@sfu.ca>

In article <1992Nov4.154856.3667@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
phalloi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Poi Halloi) writes:
>This is DETH HEDD's last (unreleased) story, before you all got hiz
>account yanked.  I mailed him myself for this story, and just to let you
>know, TWENTY-THREE other people did as well as I can see from the mail
>headers.

actually i find the number of other people who mailed this guy for
copies to be an interesting observational excercise
i think there's a conspiracy going on here
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