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From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.175939.15457@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
>
>A message from my colleague at NYC.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>As expected, south korea is terminating diplomatic relation with Taiwan
>within several weeks according to today's world journal. South Korea
>promised Mainland China the following:
>
>1. Recognize "one China" policy.
>2. Terminate all coorperations with Taiwan.
>3. Mainland will inherit Taiwan embassy property (I heard it is located
>   the most expensive section of Seoul and worth billions of US dollars)
>4. provides large economic aid to Mainland.
>
>Taiwan is seeking to take actions e.g., terminate trading favor status to S.
>korea which has been granting many years (tried to please S. Korea) causing
>hugh trade deficit with S. Korea each year.

Korean -- a lousy people.

When I just arrived US one year ago, I was shopping around to get a 
reliable used car.  At that time, there's only one principle in my
mind, that's ---

N O   k o r e a n   C A R.  Past, now and forever.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: leec4@rpi.edu (CD Lee)
Subject: Re: REPOST: CHINESE MUSIC RADIO PROGRAM at US UNIVERSITIES
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:39:26 GMT

In article <9208171739.AA17558@moe.optics.rochester.edu>,
ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) wrote:
> 
> Hello!!
> 
> Does anyone have experience in running a chinese-music program in
> school radio-station?  Here in Rochester (NY, USA), there is a small
> group of people who would like to start such a program.  Since we are
> not experienced at all.  Your input/experience/advice WILL BE GREATLY
> APPRECIATED!
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Baldwin Ng
> (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu) - UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER, Institute of Optics

Hello,
We, at Rensselaer Polytechnic Instutite (RPI) Troy NY, have 2 radio program
running for years.  At RPI (WRPI 91.5FM), we have 10,000 Watts Power Radio 
station, so if you are in Capital Distribute Region (Albany, Troy,even
Saratoga)
you can pick our station very clearly.

We have 2 Chinese Radio program. One is hosted by 3 groups of announcer and
engineer which is sponsed by TSA called "Formosan Melody". This program is
on
air every Sat 9:00pm-10:30pm. Most of time we play new release CD from
Taiwan.
We also play modern Chinese songs from Taiwan. The other is personal show
call
"Music with Phoebe" which is hosted by me & Phoebe. This program is on air
every Sat 10:30pm-midnight. Before this summer, we play traditional Chinese

music. Because we run out of source (all sources are support by ourselves),
this
semester we only play half hour Chinese music and one hour new age music.

In order to get radio program, we need get FCC lincence first.
If you are interested in our program, you can reach us at 518-276-6248
(WRPI)
during the program. Or contact me by e-mail.


CD LEE, Chun-Da Lee                                 leec4@rpi.edu
ITS Consultant, ITS=Information Technology Service  CD_Lee@MTS.RPI.EDU
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
From: laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An Old Joke about xxx
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:47:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug11.150147.14785@news.nd.edu>, jll@loki.cc.nd.edu (Junlei Li) writes...
>I guess maybe some people out there might want to give this answer to the 
>question "Is TaiWan a part of China?":
>  
>	No, China is a part of Taiwan!
> 
>Isn't that a perfect answer! Isn't that one better than the answer" That's
>a rumor!"

  = You just creat another joke and this one is even funier than the old one
    " Taiwan is part of China " .
    I think I can creat another funny answer to this question : China and USA
    are both part of Taiwan .
    I appreciate your sense of humor .
                                                                   I Chung Lai
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Joke on "seven items while opening door"
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:42:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <2310@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, mikemo@bullwinkle.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo) writes:
> 
> In ancient time, China allowed the polygamy practice, as long as one can
> afford.  A rich merchant got himself a second wife.   The first wife was asked 
> to hand over the kitchen duty to this junior wife.  She give the second wife
> "Tsai1, Mei3, Juan4, Yu3, Yen2, Tsah3" i.e burning wood, rice, soy sauce,
> vegetable oil, salt, tea.
> 

How ancient is it chronologically? 

I think that up to the beginning years of the ROC people still had polygamy
allowed. 

And the tragedy of Chinese civil war between Nationalists and Communists
created more of the examples of polygamy for the Nationalists stranded in
Taiwan. That is they were already married while in Mainland China, but when they
escaped to Taiwan, they were married again. 

> The merchant said: you missed one item, where is the "Tsu4( vinegar)" ?
> First wife said: I will keep it to myself.
> 
> (~)/~)/~)    (~)/~)/~)         | mikemo@tymnet.com
>  /  /  /      /  /  / /~~)     | San Jose, CA. USA
> /  /  (_ o   /  /  (_(__/      | Just another Chinese in Silicon Valley
> Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.  Copyleft 1992
> 
> * I will be vacationing in Yosemite, Lake Tahoe areas,  save your response
> until mid-next week when I come back
-- 
/* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *\
 * The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
 * Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang)
Subject: The Movie Title
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:48:02 GMT


	Once I got a chance listen a tape from Taiwan.  It's the music from 
movie "Chia(1) Yuan(2)" (Homeland).  It's very impressive, and I like it.
Is there anyone know the original English title of this movie?  Thanks.

	Also, one puzzle (means I have the answer), there is an old movie
named "Hu3 bao4 hsiao3 ba4 wang2" by Paul Newman & Robert Redford.  What is
its original English title?


Wei-Chi Wang
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Yes, Let's Not Talk about History (Was: Re: BANANAS)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:32:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
To: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)

Hi,

I am mailing this to you because I do not want to let the thread
to continue and stir up more bad feelings. 
These nignts I just could not help but felt stepped into some
stubborn extremist's trap and debate on 228 which I do not really
have a lot of interest.

You certainly argue much better than I did.
You spoke my feelings which I did not dare to because that would
stir up even more I was afaid.

I tried to be mild and calm and just hoping not to lose the basic
principals.

Charles Tang was ignorant on the latest progress back home, many of
his points was outdated. Even his recent reply was based old news.
But I felt he was more reasonable than those stubborn ones.

BTW, do you know Ching Chang, a EE graduate student at
University of Colorado, Boulder.

At last, it feels good to know that I am not along.

yu
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Mainland Fever Hits the Island
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:34:34 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug17.220233.7200@corwin.barra.com>, stevek@corwin.barra.com (Stephen Ko) writes:
> 
> I have a strong urge to tell the Taiwan politicians to keep their hands 
> off the free economy.  The people in Taiwan ought to have as much right as 
> business man from other country to invest in Mainland China.  After all, 
> the more economical miracle that the people of Mainland China experienced,
> the more likely that they will favor a more democratic country.
> 
	** People from Taiwan are treated differently from foreigners
	   in China. 

	   So why can't Taiwan have different trading policy from other
	   countries toward China? 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11858 soc.culture.china:22953
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:48:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

TY Huang writes:
>Regardless of the nature of the parochialism in Taiwan and whom is to be
>blamed for its current existence, Taiwan nationalism can help building a
>cohesive society to the extend that all people regarding Taiwan as
>their homeland will join together. 

There is an inherent parochialism in the concept of Taiwan
Nationalism.

If you seek to break down the barriers of parochialism between
different groups inside of Taiwan because of common experience, then
the question arises why should similar barriers with groups outside of
Taiwan remain?  

If the answer is that they shouldn't remain, then you've stepped
outside of the boundaries of creating a cohesive society known as
Taiwan into the realm of creating a cohesive society known as China.

If the answer is that they should remain, then how is it possible to
include people like, Mr. Tang, who after all lives in the United
States?




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Yes, Let's Not Talk about History (Was: Re: BANANAS)
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.055214.16855@news.columbia.edu> Charles write:
|> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Aug12.154312.21920@news.columbia.edu>,
|> >cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
|> >
|> >I felt obligated to say something to Charles sice he seems to felt
|> >being accused spreading hatred. No, I do not thinks so and I do not
|> >think Minghsun meant it either.
|> 
|> Yes, after reading your other articles, I now see why you said what
|> you said.  Hey, don't be controlled by your emotions!  :-)

I believe I was calm all of the time except a couple of times dealing
with one single person accusing me "Is he out of his mind?" and
when the same person did the "So who is to blame?" article in response to
my posting on ABC kids.

|> Well, I remember I was fined NT$5 a few times (?) for speaking Taiwanese
|> in school!  Someone from another class was made to wear a wooden board
|> around the neck all day saying "I love speaking Mandarin!"  I would
|> certainly hope that this all got changed.

I believe it started when I was in the 5 grade and lasted for less than a year.
I knew because I was Jio1 Char Duei4 and had been collecting fines of NT$1
but never made anyone wear a wooden board.
 
|> >I am proud to identify myself as chinese and taiwanese.
|> >We always say we are from taiwan while in the US.
|> 
|> Good for you, my fellow Kaohsiung'er!  (Btw, which district are you
|> from?)

Chi-chin until I was 6 grade which was a pennisula now an island.
Ku-shan until I was 16 ( I was in Kaoshiung High for only one semester).
Then my family moved to Taipei.

|> -Charles
|> 
|> 
|> *** Om Ma-Ni Pad-Me Hung *** | "Hey, Charles, have you been 'waiting' all
|> ============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
|>    Charles Wei-Ting Tang     | ===========================================
|> cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu  | 201 W.72nd St.,#8J, NYC 10023  212/580-5609


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taipei has terminated the diplomatic relationships between ROC and S. Korea.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 06:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.050312.18871@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ytchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yi-Tsun Chang) writes:
>FYI.
>For those of you who are interested in the current development of the
>relationships between ROC and S Koren.  Taipei has terminated the diplomatic
>relationships between ROC and S. Koren. I got this news over the phone from 
>my family in Taiwan. I don't have the details. Sorry.

According to the Taiwanese newscast here (transmitted by satellite), Seoul
and Beijing announced that they had established formal diplomatic relationship
yesterday.  Seoul accepted Beijing's conditions, namely that the current
Taiwanese embassy would be turned over to the PRC, and that South Korea would
only recognize one China (namely, the Beijing government).  However, Seoul
did not terminate the diplomatic relationship in the protocol.

A few hours later, Taipei made these responses:

1.	Taipei terminated the diplomatic relationship with Seoul.
2.	All Korean Airline flights would become unwelcome in Taiwanese
	airspace (save in cases of emergency, I suppose, as per international
	protocol).  China Airlines and Chang Ron (sp) would terminate their
	flights to Korea by the 16th of September, when Korean Airlines
	flights would also be terminated.
3.	All preferential treatment to Korea in the areas of commerce and trade
	would be terminated.  (The newscast wasn't clear on if that would
	only include the specific preferential treatments, or that the most
	favored nation tariff status would also be terminated)

If I get some more info, I will probably post them.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: klai@jman.dco.dec.com (Kwo-Long Lai)
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: DEC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:03:26 GMT

Eric Law, Geology Department (ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug21.020623.14293@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang) writes:
: 
: > Anyway, "Never" in KMT's dictionary is equaled to
: > "Will happen in the near future" in the normal people.
: > 
: 	** Then what does the "never" mean for normal people?

Havn't somebody told you "never" say "never"? :-)
--

 -kl 

 Kwo-Long Lai                               klai@jman.dco.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corporation             
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ytchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yi-Tsun Chang)
Subject: Taipei has terminated the diplomatic relationships between ROC and S. Korea.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:03:12 GMT

FYI.
For those of you who are interested in the current development of the
relationships between ROC and S Koren.  Taipei has terminated the diplomatic
relationships between ROC and S. Koren. I got this news over the phone from 
my family in Taiwan. I don't have the details. Sorry.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:02 PDT
Subject: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1474900011:000:976
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 20 07:02:00 1992


 
soc.culture.korea
soc.culture.taiwan
 
it seems, that Korea will drop her relations to Taiwan and open diplomatic
ties with the PR China.
 
So far for "friendship", which - realistically speaking - doesn't work too
well in politics anyway. Korea might also be more interested in her northern
brothers and sisters than in in former allies in the South.
 
What do you think about this development? If it is unavoidable, what do you
think about the  w a y  in which the reorientation of Korean politics will
take place (so far, as it can be observed now)?
 
 
bye, Goetz Kluge
Seoul 1992/08/20
 
PS: In Korea now oppinion polls by private institutions are forbidden as well
    as the publication of their results. This had been ordered by the govern-
    ment after skipping local elections, without having taken the necessary
    legislative steps before. How nowerdays would be the reaction of people
    in Taiwan in case of such an event. Could it take place in Taiwan?
From: lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To clarify my point
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:48:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Aug16.161756.22766@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>[deleted]
>I have seen a lot of Chinese people driving in the United States.  Believe me,
>they generally follow the laws a lot less or try to "sneak around" the
>traffic rules.

Agreed.  However, I would add that after awhile, these Chinese
tend to "mellow out" and start following traffic rules.  I am
assuming that the Chinese you are talking about are the ones who
drove in Taiwan, and then moved to the US and drive here.  There-
fore, they have to go through an "adjustment period."  The vast
majority of Chinese who learn to drive in the US tend to follow
the rules very well.

>The Chinese *are* worse at following the rules.  (I will not exclude myself
>here.)  If we implement the American system of applying for colleges (as
>opposed to having the entry exam), I would bet that there would immediately be
>anxious parents trying to bribe the admission offficers.

This is sadly true.  And this is because bribing *works*.  It
has worked for centuries in China, and it's still working now.
It's positive reinforcement.  We Chinese are kind of like the
Skinner rats who keep pressing on the bar because we know it'll
give us food.  Unfortunately, there're few good solutions against
this problem.  I think the best way to to erase a learned response
is to offer *negative* reinforcement (don't quote me on this, I'm
not a psych major), but it's kind of hard to come up with a
negative reinforcement when the positive reinforcement is mutual.

>The Chinese *are* very industrious and intelligent.  However, that is not
>relevant here, since we are talking about following rules here.

Yes, the Chinese are very industrious and intelligent.
Unfortunately, they use those traits to find the most
convenient *backdoor* approach to the problem.  :)

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another bewildered college undergraduate.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sht@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hsien-Tang Sun)
Subject: Re: setting up FAQ
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.163711.9697@ncsu.edu> smw@unity.ncsu.edu (Shawkang Wu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.040829.1938@oskgate0.mei.co.jp> claude@oskgate0.mei.co.jp (CLAUDE Huss) writes:
>>Hi Fellows!
>>
>>	Someone could explain to me what BSR and WSR stand for?
>>
>>	Any help would be very appreciated.
>>
>
>i think it's about time to set up an FAQ now in this group.
>any comments?
>
>
>--Shawkang Wu

  What does FAQ stand for ?

 Hsien-Tang Sun
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:28:34 GMT
Organization: UB

thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) wirtes: 
 
> In article <Bsy32p.n47@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren
> Tsai)  writes:
> >If we have more than one Telecommunication  company in Taiwan ...
> >
> >
> >---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu
>
> A telecommunication company with all new optic-fiber lines linking
> computers and carrying cable TV or interaction TV!!!
 
Well, I am talking about Telephone Company. Telephone Network is different
from Computer Communication or cable TV broadcasting. Don't you think there
exists a great market in Taiwan?
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sht@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hsien-Tang Sun)
Subject: Re: What is BSR and WSR??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:41:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.040829.1938@oskgate0.mei.co.jp> claude@oskgate0.mei.co.jp (CLAUDE Huss) writes:
>Hi Fellows!
>
>	Someone could explain to me what BSR and WSR stand for?
>
>	Any help would be very appreciated.
>
>
>--
>Claude Huss
>Network Soft. Design , Tokyo Research Labs, Matsushita E.W.,Ltd.
>Tokyo,Japan      
>"Alien Registration Card: Don't leave home without it...."

Gee! Thanks God ! Finally, There is somebosy who render the same damn question
which had puzzled me for a long time !

Hsien-Tang Sun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Jesse
Subject: To clarify my point
Originator: cyen@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept .of UNT
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:01:12 GMT

>>Are you a racist, severely deluded, or both?

No comment on this point.

>>Yes.  But it's a lot worse in Taiwan.  Also, it is a lot better in non-
>>metropolitan areas of the United States.

I don't think you got my point. I'll explain latter.

>>Have you ever had much experiences with clerks at *Taiwanese* county
>>governments?  It's even worse there.  (At least the American clerks don't
>>openly demand bribes.)

What did you mean *Taiwanese* county government"s" ?
And you mean the American clerks don't demand bribes in public ?

>>Please elaborate.
>>Bring up your facts.  Your opinions are hardly supported thus far.

I would like to, but if I bring up my facts here, I'am afraid the article
will be too long to read.

>>Please elaborate.  As it stands, these sentences cannot be understood
>>unambiguously.

Please tell me which sentence make you confused ?

>>We want to help our motherland.  We don't want fervent self-congratulations
>>and blind faith to ourselves.

As what I said, you did not get my point.
Ya, you said, "But it's a lot worse in Taiwan.  Also, it is a lot better in non-
metropolitan areas of the United States." It's absolutely right. 
But did I say it has never happened in Taiwan or it's better in Taiwan?
What I wanna say is the reason that makes the traffic environment what it is
now is not because of the people but the RULEs.  Americans are just like 
Chineses. Besides, did I said we should have blind faith to ourselves?
I just want to encourage our folks in Taiwan and to remind all my friends
that Chineses are never worse than Americans. Chineses are very industrious
and intelligent like you and me.

Thank you for your attention.

Jesse
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: Looking for a friend in Taiwan
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:14:00 GMT


If anyone knows of this friend of mine, plase tell hm hi for me...

His name is Chang Kuen Long, lives in Taipei.

-- 
No one is a failure... Keep up your dream and you will find it!
Ask always WISDOM from God!
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:02:58 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <6285@ucru2.ucr.edu>, lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

> intimidate with a lightbulb around ...  Besides, won't the lightbulb feel
> kind of awkward?  I've always refused to go out with a couple, since I
> would feel that I'm "in the way."  But now that someone *finally* explained
> this lightbulb thing to me, I guess I'll tag along next time, if I'll stil
> get invited ...
> 
	** I think the lightbulb technique is useless in US environment.
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