HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Former Soviet Union
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.010943.18533@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) wrote: 
>->I wonder if the whole decade could yield that awfull amount.
>->Must be a plain soviet-bashing, IMO.
>
>oh, spare us.  aeroflot is known to be unsafe.

If anything, statistics on Aeroflot crashes and near-misses may well be
understated.  (Except that I think the 30-something statistic was
number of crashes, not number of midair collisions.)

There was a detailed article on this a couple of months ago in
the _Conde-Nast Traveler_.  Not sure if I can find my copy, but
I'll look.

Charleen
--
"The Creation of the Universe was made possible by a grant
from Texas Instruments."
                           -- _Nova_
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Former Soviet Union
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:29:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.010943.18533@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) wrote: 
>->I wonder if the whole decade could yield that awfull amount.
(30 mid-air collisions or so) 
>->Must be a plain soviet-bashing, IMO.
>
>oh, spare us.  aeroflot is known to be 
...
># "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It might be a worthy advice to you, Mensch ;-)
Just get real.  You mean they get a crash in the air every week or two,
don't you? They must run out of planes soon just to satisfy Mensch's love
to scary tales :) 

Truly to say, poor unfortunate untermenschen...



Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: U.S. domestic fare war  --  Part Two of the winter sale
Keywords: airfares, sale
Reply-To: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:09:30 GMT

It seems that this winter the airlines are having their fare sales
in small installments.  Fares to selected cities go on sale for some time,
then those cities go off sale and other cities go on sale.
The sale to the first 22 cities expired on the 12th, and another 
23 cities are now on sale through November 16th.  Northwest is
driving the sales, and the other airlines seem to be matching
pretty consistently.

I was quite lucky to get a ticket ATL-TUS ABQ-ATL.  Tucson was part of the
sale that ended on the 12th, and ABQ was on sale from the 13th to the 16th.
I just purchased my ticket at 12:30 a.m. on the 13th (because it's 9:30 p.m.
in the West Coast, the sale that ended on the 12th was still on!).
Total price for the ticket: $263.

The current sale, for tickets bought by November 16th, is for flights to
or from the following cities:

ABE : Allentown, PA - Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton Airport
ABQ : Albuquerque, NM - Albuquerque International Airport
ALB : Albany, NY - Albany County Airport
BDL : Hartford (Windsor Locks), CT - Bradley International Airport
BOS : Boston, MA - General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport
FLL : Fort Lauderdale, FL - Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport
GEG : Spokane, WA - Spokane International Airport
MDT : Harrisburg (Middletown), PA - Harrisburg International Airport
MIA : Miami, FL - Miami International Airport
OAK : Oakland, CA - Metropolitan Oakland International Airport
OKC : Oklahoma City, OK - Will Rogers World Airport
PBI : West Palm Beach, FL - Palm Beach International Airport
PDX : Portland, OR - Portland International Airport
PHL : Philadelphia, PA - Philadelphia International Airport
PVD : Providence, RI - Theodore Francis Green State Airport
RSW : Fort Myers, FL - Southwest Florida Regional Airport
SAT : San Antonio, TX - San Antonio International Airport
SDF : Louisville, KY - Standiford Field
SEA : Seattle, WA - Seattle-Tacoma International Airport
SFO : San Francisco, CA - San Francisco International Airport
SJC : San Jose, CA - San Jose International Airport
SMF : Sacramento, CA - Sacramento Metropolitan Airport
SRQ : Sarasota (Bradenton), FL - Sarasota-Bradenton Airport

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   Paulo Santos                         Internet: pas@cc.gatech.edu
   Georgia Tech, College of Computing       uucp: ...!gatech!cc!pas
   Atlanta GA 30332-0280, U.S.A.           Voice: (404) 853-9393
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey Jean Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: HELP WANTED!!! Cheap airfare from Rochester to NYC!!!
Keywords: Tight budget! Sick of 8 hour bus/train rides!
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:14:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


Hi all,

	Thanks to everyone who gave me suggestions. Unfortunately, there
was no special rates going from Rochester to NYC. Oh well, looks like I'm
out of luck. Thanks for all your help though, I appreciate it. 8-)

						    Mikeey
					mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: What can I do as a Premire United MP Member?
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.172304.10411@colorado.edu> citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:
>I've heard rumors about a Premier class above Executive with a requirement
>of 100,000 flight miles per year that includes such perks as United taking you
>to and from the airport in a limo.  Anyone know the details?

On  the passenger  lists  that flight   attendents get  it   indicates
premier,  exec  premier, and occasionally   I've seen '100kflyer'  ...
Don't  know any  more about it than that.  I can't imagine them giving
you free limo service, but who knows?
					reb

Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:14:08 -0500 
From: Tamminh Tran <tt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Northwest sale ends Thursday!

I found out last night that Northwest is having a sale until this
Thursday  11/12/92.  The price of a round-trip Pittsburgh-LAX leaving on
12/24/92 is $310.  On Friday 11/13/92, it will be $510.

Their number is 1-800-225-2525.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: news@nd.edu
Subject: airlines promotions
Reply-To: news@nd.edu
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:43:35 GMT


There are several airlines promotions for this winter.  Continental offers a free companion ticket if one flies four segments on it and a free coach for eight segments.  Northwest and USAir also give a free coach (in additional to the normal mileage) for eight segments or 12000 miles.  But I know there are restrictions about the free tickets from Continental.  They have to be used by around 5/31/93.  Is there anyone know if Northwest or USAir also have that kind of restrictions on the free tickets?

Also do United, American or Delta have similar promotions?
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 03:39:52 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mcs-next-12.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov6.023501.16807@news.nd.edu> news@nd.edu writes:
> 
> puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
> > Yes, American Express.  You must pay $25 to join their "Membership
> > Miles" program.  This program allows you to convert 1 mile for each
> > dollar spent to either Delta, Southwest, One Pass, or Northwest.
> 
> Can those miles got from AMEX be combined with the miles accumulated from a  
particular FF program to get some richer rewards?

Absolutely, the AMEX points are converted 1:1 into miles in one of the above  
mentioned programs. They simply add to what you already have in the FF program.  
In addition, AMEX has its own set of rewards (hotel/vacation packages,  
cruises).


--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer)
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:21:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: rec.travel.air

> > > Yes, American Express.  You must pay $25 to join their "Membership
> > > Miles" program.  This program allows you to convert 1 mile for each
> > > dollar spent to either Delta, Southwest, One Pass, or Northwest.
> > 
> > Can those miles got from AMEX be combined with the miles accumulated from a  
> particular FF program to get some richer rewards?
> 
> Absolutely, the AMEX points are converted 1:1 into miles in one of the above  
> mentioned programs. They simply add to what you already have in the FF program.  
> In addition, AMEX has its own set of rewards (hotel/vacation packages,  
> cruises).

I've also found that the AMEX 'membership miles' program will let you
assign those miles to anyone else. Here's the method:

   - Call up AMEX and add the person as a cardmember on your account
   - Wait for the card to arrive (5-7 days)
   - Call up membership miles, inform them of the new cardmember/account
     number and transfer your credits into the other person's FF account
     (it will take 3-4 weeks for the miles to show up in the airline's
system)
   - Call back AMEX to cancel the additional cardmember

The cool thing is that AMEX will refund the pro-rated portion of the
($20-$35) additional cardmember fee (which means that this process usually
costs less than $5). Also note that you can transfer as little as 2K miles
(great for getting your friends/family 'over the top' in order to claim an
award).
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Price changes (?)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:06:29 GMT

ej@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sang-cheul.kong) wrote: 
->In article <1992Nov1.084809.4120@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->> picasso@bass.bu.edu (David Ondzes) wrote: 
->> 
->> ->Are there regular times during the year when air fares drop ? like Christmas ?
->> 
->> fares go *up* for christmas ... surely you're familiar with supply and
->> demand?  it's hard to predict how fares will move anymore ...
->> 
->Not necessarily.  About supply and demand. . .
->There is no business travel during the holidays.

not in your business, maybe, but there is definitely business travel
during the holiday season ... and many people who wouldn't ordinarily
travel are in the skies ...

->Most leisure travelers visiting family have already gone to where they are
->going by then.  Christmas eve, Christmas day, and New Year's eve are some of
->the least traveled days, and airlines often do reduce fares.  The catch is
->these sales are not generally advertised.

and it's often done at the very last minute (day or two before xmas
eve, for instance) ... so it's not exactly something you can count on.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tedwong@bnr.ca (Ted Wong)
Subject: Re: Effects of AC with Continental // PWA (CAI) with American ?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:26:35 GMT

>
>The better option is to force a merger or to let Air Canada pick and
>choose the good assets after CAI goes into bankruptcy.
>
>The proposed bailout of CAI is insanity and a waste of our tax dollars.

What will happen to the tickets already purchased if CAI goes into
bankruptcy??

--Ted
tedwong@bnr.ca
From: babu@wpi.WPI.EDU (Babu Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: LA Airport
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:33:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:

>somewhere other than Terminal E. Lufthansa departs from Terminal D (the

	Is this something new?  I flew in/out of Logan on Lufthansa
	over the summer and we used Terminal E proper!  and Yah,
	it was crowded especially when I came back and there were
	three arriving flights.  I had 2 heavy suitcases, and there
	were'nt any trolleys left!

-Babu


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:01:56 GMT

news@nd.edu wrote: 
->puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
->> Yes, American Express.  You must pay $25 to join their "Membership
->> Miles" program.  This program allows you to convert 1 mile for each
->> dollar spent to either Delta, Southwest, One Pass, or Northwest.
->
->Can those miles got from AMEX be combined with the miles accumulated from a particular FF program to get some richer rewards?

yes; that's exactly the point.  once you've vested (spent $5000 on
your amex in that year), you have earned 5000 miles (and, of course,
each dollar spent is a mile credited to Membership Miles).  once
you've vested, you can transfer Membership Miles to your frequent
flyer account on continental, delta, northwest, mgm grand, and one or
two others.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Re: Car rental advivce (best rates/company) for long trip
Keywords: Help!
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:27:32 GMT

In <putz.721326138@beagle> putz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric Putz) writes:

>Taking a trip at the end of the month, and want to rent a car to do
>so. Just wondering if anyone has any advice on which companies are
>generally the least expensive and most trustworthy (i.e. unlimited
>miles *mean* unlimited miles). Leaving from Denver, heading to San
>Fran. Will be for a week.

>Ideas? Specials?

>Thanks!!!

>Eric.
>+---------
>|Eric Putz                    				(303) 492-4535
>|MCD Biology, Campus Box 347, University of Colorado, Boulder CO 80309 
>|putz@Boulder.Colorado.EDU                 

this summer, I rented from Budget to drive from DC to Denver.
cheapest rate at unlimited mileage, one-way , 69 $ / day

Michael
Xref: sparky rec.travel:15189 rec.skiing:7243
From: regli@gimble.gimble.cs.umd.edu (William C. Regli)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.skiing
Subject: Haute Savoie Skiing?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:09:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Distribution: rec
Organization: Yoyodyne Industries


Does anyone have any info or experiences with ski vacations in the
Haute Savoie?

Specifically, I'm planning a trip to France in Feburary of 1993 that
will include a little skiing and would like to hear about hotels,
inns, resturaunts, and other things of interest around Chamonix,
Megeve, Morzine-Avoriaz, and La Clusaz.  Also, any commentary on the
areas themselves would be welcome.

If people are interested I'll post a summary of responses.

Thanks in advance,

b
--
William C. Regli                            Bite me, its fun!
University of Maryland, College Park, MD          --Crow T. Robot
Department of Computer Science                     From MST3K
Electronic: regli@cs.umd.edu   Vocal: (301)-405-2717
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: putz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric Putz)
Subject: Car rental advivce (best rates/company) for long trip
Summary: Need advice on car rental
Keywords: Help!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  9 Nov 92 16:22:18 GMT

Taking a trip at the end of the month, and want to rent a car to do
so. Just wondering if anyone has any advice on which companies are
generally the least expensive and most trustworthy (i.e. unlimited
miles *mean* unlimited miles). Leaving from Denver, heading to San
Fran. Will be for a week.

Ideas? Specials?

Thanks!!!

Eric.
+---------
|Eric Putz                    				(303) 492-4535
|MCD Biology, Campus Box 347, University of Colorado, Boulder CO 80309 
|putz@Boulder.Colorado.EDU                 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: harrison@vf.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: SAN JUAN AND CRUISE
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Flight Center
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:52:46 -0600

We are in need of two middle price Hotel/Motel rooms ($100-125) per night in
San Juan PR for the first week of April 93. Everthing we have tried falls in
the price range of $200+.. if you know of anything in the lower range please
let me know, also,from there we will continue on a cruise stopping at Lisbon
and various other ports on the nothern Med, finishing at Venice. could someone
post the average temps that we could expect to see...Last but not least does
anybody in the vast and knowlegable group, have any first hand experience with
the CROWN ODDESSEY.... Cruise  dates 4/5-4/25
       
just in case anyone else is interested please respond to the group.
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Best Paris Restaurant?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:15:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mcs-next-12.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov10.052652.26940@netcom.com> jgoncher@netcom.com (Jim  
Goncher) writes:
> Angel Puerta (puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu) wrote:
>>My ultimate suggestion: Try Masa's in San Francisco. Rated consistently as  
the  
>>best French Restaurant in the US, many critics say that there is nothing  
better  
>>in Paris! Prix-Fix menu $65!! (or the prize of an entree in Paris)

> I've eaten a number of times at Masa's and just recently for the first time
> at Taillevent. Ignoring the price, I'll take Taillevent any day. Don't get
> me wrong. Masa's is great, and I enjoy it tremendously. But, Taillevent wins
> easily. I've had Masa's signature Foie Gras first course several times and
> thought it to be unbeatable until I had Taillevent's main course Foie Gras -
> the genius of it is that it s served on a slice of delectable spice bread.
> Fantastic combination!

I understand not everybody will find Masa's above Taivellent or Jamin, for  
example. But there is enough consensus to place Masa's in the top world class  
that few restaurants occupy. In that class, debates about who does this
or that better, or who is better overall, consume the culinary pages of the  
knowledgable publications.

One point of interest: Masa's chef is not French. He is from Spain (Madrid, in  
particular) and came to the US several years ago to try his luck.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Originator: jl@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov08.005841.18173@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <sjones.721229094@cunews>
	<BxF6o4.CDt.1@cs.cmu.edu> <27908@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:58:18 GMT


In article <27908@castle.ed.ac.uk> woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow) writes:

   >>In article <sjones.721229094@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

   >> However, in Spain, one goes through immigration in the port of entry and
   >>through customs in the final destination.  Even with change of plane.  
   >>This means that you don't see your checked-in bags until the end of your
   >>last leg.

   >>  I don't know to how many countries this may apply, however.

   >>Juan


   >How does this work ?   How can you possibly put international passengers on a
   >domestic flight before they clear customs ?  Unless it is not truly a domestic
   >flight; ie it doesn't carry domestic passengers, only shuttles international
   >pax to another destination in Spain - but then the flight is still classed as
   >international, right ?

   >Mixing international and domestic pax on the same flight before clering customs
   >negates the whole customs check - you just give all your contraband stuff and
   >over-the-limit tax free to a domestic passenger to carry off for you !

Easy:

  You never see your bags until your destination.  At your destination there
are two carousels: one for domestic bags, one for international ones (ie,
those which have not been through customs yet.)  the international carousel
exits through customs.  

  Think of it as a baggage claim which is virtually in your port-of-entry
but physically at your destination.  Or think of it as a virtual international
area for baggage that extends all over Spain, with exits at each airport.

  I am talking about "truly domestic flights," of course.

Juan



Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Any experience with the City Lodge in Bangkok?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:04:01 GMT

The subject line says it all. Any experience - positive or negative -
of staying at the City Lodge in Bangkok will be appreciated. Please
Email me, and I will summarize.

Thanks.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 07:24:22 EST
From: <IO20655@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: THANKS FOR NZ INFO...

I'd like to thank all who sent me
info on NZ.
I received so many replies I
couldn't thank you all personally yet
                  ...so THANKS !!!
                        Shawn
From: salmon@cco.caltech.edu (Lynn Garry Salmon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:02:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov6.200417.13872@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.195713.12109@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:

>I also saw another
>poster say that some small shops won't accept FEC.  I have been to China
>four times, in big places and small, and have never had this happen. 
>Must be some extraordinarily law-abiding person this poster ran into, the
>equivalent of the American who's afraid to rip the tag from the mattress.
>

I spent three months in China last year and found people who were
unfamiliar with FEC's on a few occasions.  One place was the post
office in Yungang Village.  They had never seen an FEC before and
refused to take them.  Another was a street vendor in the town of
Lanchou who didn't recognize FEC as real money.

On at least one occasion I had to pay for a hotel room with Rmb
because they didn't have change for FEC's.  This type of confusion
exists on the part of some locals who believe they can only accept FEC
if they give change in FEC.  Mostly one receives change in Rmb outside
of major tourist areas.  I also experienced one instance where a cab
driver would not accept Rmb and wanted FEC only.

Depending on the length of stay in the country it is probably
advisable to keep a small amount of Rmb, especially if you stray very
far off the main tourist path.  Rmb (in general) can not be
re-converted to hard currencies so should be spent before ending one's
trip.




-- 
   Lynn <><			        ________     
           			       / o      \ /  
   salmon@eql.caltech.edu	       \__ ``   / \  
                             	         /_____/     
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: Paris, France
Keywords: Accommodation?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: w
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:53:37 GMT

My husband, son (15 years) and I will be going to England in
December to spend Christmas with family.  Early in January we would
like to take the hovercraft to Calais and go to Paris for a few
days.  

If anyone could e-mail some information to me about reasonable hotels on
the outskirts of Paris, restaurants, transportation etc. I would be
very greatful.  Also can anyone tell me how far it is to Euro Disney 
from Paris, and how to get there (public transportation?).

Thanks in advance,

Janet