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From: us291442@mmm.serc.3m.com (Mark B. Mizen)
Subject: naturalization
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:27:29 GMT

Could someone explain the naturalization process as in the
following statement from an old letter:  "...Margaret Shannon
obtained her second papers on November 5, 1887.  James Shannon
took out his first papers on May 24, 1879 and he appears to
have been born in 1844."  The letter is from the County Judge's
Office in Cavalier, Pembina County, North Dakota and is dated
December 6, 1939.

What do first and second papers refer to?  What information
do these records typically contain?  How do I go about requesting
copies?

Thanks for any help with these questions.

Mark Mizen
mbmizen@mmm.com

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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:21:07 -0500
Reply-To:     emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU
From:         emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re; Latin Anyone?
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

> why is this document of the Greek Orthodox Church written in Latin?

It was probably a record of the Roman Catholic Church.  The region for
which this document came from, was under Austrian rule.  It is my
understanding that for the period in question, the Austrian gave the
duty of keeping birth, marriage, and death recording to the Church,
who were given official authority for these things.  They kept records
for all people in their jurisdiction, Catholic or not.

Elizabeth Siwek
emsiwek@iastate.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:45:40 MEZ
Reply-To:     Peter Jonas <I7110503@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE>
From:         Peter Jonas <I7110503@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE>
Subject:      Jonas TT
Comments: To: roots-l%ndsuvm1.BITNET@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE

This is my first tiny tafel. All places in this tafel are
located in North or East Germany. Most of the strings
oe, ue, ae in the names are translated from the german
'Umlaute'. Informations about persons in US with name 'JONAS'
are welcome, because some of my ancestors are emigrated in
the last century.

Peter Jonas (i7110503@dbstu1.bitnet)

----------------------------------------
N Peter Jonas
A Bueltenweg 27, 3300 Braunschweig
A or: Horner Weg 17, 2121 Dahlenburg
A Germany
A email: i7110503@dbstu1.bitnet
T (49) 531 343935
D /IBM/
F Brother's Keeper 5.1
Z 58 Brother's Keeper  MP
B200 1756:1782 BAACK\Teweswoe/Wietow
B300 1787:1787 BAHDE\Germany
B530 1753:1844 BANIDT\/Hamburg-Cranz
B255 1747:1807 BECKMANN\/Zarrentin
B525 1732:1732 BEHNKEN\Hamburg-Moorburg/Hamburg-Moorburg
B315 1743:1743 BEUTPHEN\Germany
B450 1757:1814 BLOHM\/Hamburg-Nincop
B653 1757:1783 BRANDT\/Hamburg-Francop
B650 1765:1791 BROEHAHN\/Hamburg-Nincop
B652 1750:1750 BURMEISTER\/Dahlenburg
B652 1680:1699 BURMESTER\/Dahlenburg
B200 1676:1720 BUESCHE\/Dahlem-Harmstorf
C455 1706:1732 CLUSSMANN\/Dahlenburg
D362 1712:1915 DIETERICH\/Dahlenburg
D362 1787:1915 DIETRICH\Woerlitz/Dahlenburg
D620 1723:1815 DIRKS\/Hamburg-Cranz
E262 1762:1762 EGGERS\/Germany
F435 1750:1750 FELDMANN\Hamburg-Liedenkummer/Hamburg-Liedenkummer
G616 1747:1773 GARBER\/Zarrentin
G652 1759:1759 GARMS\/Germany
G630 1754:1780 GEHRDAU\/Hamburg-Bei dewr Schleuse
H255 1745:1745 HAGEMANN\Barendorf-Reinstorf/Barendorf-Reinstorf
H400 1726:1752 HALLE\/Woerlitz-Griesen
H652 1758:1758 HARMS\/Germany
H300 1724:1750 HUTH\/Woerlitz
J212 1680:1769 JACOBS\/Dahlenburg-Riecklingen
J520 1636:1805 JANECKE\/Dahlenburg-Koestorf
J520 1689:1959 JONAS\Hamburg/Bad Bevensen
M600 1685:1742 MEIER\/Dahlenburg-Riecklingen
M652 1731:1757 MOEHRING\/Hamburg-Liedenkummer
N550 1722:1789 NAUMANN\/Woerlitz
N200 1765:1765 NEUS\/Germany
O300 1747:1834 OTT\/Zarrentin
P362 1782:1808 PETERS\/Hamburg-Neuenfelde
P255 1746:1746 PAEZMAN\/Germany
Q230 1626:1807 QUAST\/Hamburg-Hohenwisch
R523 1680:1771 RAHMSTORF\Hamburg-Liedenkummer/Hamburg-Liedenkummer
R140 1665:1783 RAPPAUL\/Dahlenburg-Vindorf
R562 1762:1762 REIMERS\/Germany
R360 1779:1859 RUETHER\/Hamburg-Nincop
S520 1741:1767 SCHENK\Lueneburg/Lueneburg
S636 1738:1809 SCHROEDER\/Lueneburg
S300 1700:1786 SCHUETTE\/Dahlenburg
S550 1688:1688 SEEMANN\/Germany
S560 1728:1728 SOMMER\Thomasburg-Radenbeck/Thomasburg-Radenbeck
S325 1750:1750 STEGEN\Fahrendorf/Fahrendorf
S360 1602:1702 STEHR\/Germany
S342 1696:1696 STOELKEN\/Germany
T360 1710:1710 THAEDER\Nahrendorf-Ventschau/Nahrendorf-Ventschau
T150 1746:1746 TIPPEN\Bleckede/Bleckede
U462 1754:1877 ULRICH\/Dahlenburg
W436 1661:1723 WOLTER\/Dahlem-Koestorf
W 09 Oct 1992
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:26:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      New IGI
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Kerry Casey just asked about the new IGI and its availability on CD-ROM...
Yes, it is available and it is available on CD-ROM.  However, unless you
have unlimited funds, don't spend too much time inquiring about it.  Our
local genealogical society (Delaware County, OH) has a CD-ROM "machine",
and was looking forward to obtaining the IGI on CD-ROM.  We just learned
of the astronomical charges for its purchase, so even though we are a
well-established group and have a relatively large treasury, we will
NOT be purchasing any part of it.  I wish I knew the costs to share with
the netters, but I was not involved in the search.  Someone who has this
information, please share with the group.   Thanks....
--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH--
From: dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Two Marriage Ceremonies??
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:28:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Oct16.182843.2184
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In some gedcom data I have, the following occurs:

Issac STARBIRD marries Sarah D. Dennett on 21 Sept, 1836 in Lewiston, ME.
Issac STARBIRD marries Sarah H. Dennett on 5 Sept, 1836 in Litchfield, ME.

I'm wondering if these might be the same people or 4 separate people.
The middle initial differs for Sarah and the dates a a couple of weeks apart.

Assuming these are 2 people and not 4, would it be common for someone
back then to be married twice (or perhaps have it recorded in two
separate towns?)  

I do not have the original source of this information so I cannot 
go back and check the records.  

Thanks for any history lesson.

Charles Dennett  --  dennett@Kodak.COM  --  Any DENNETT information welcome.
Researching: BARNARD, CORBETT, DENNETT, DURGIN, FROST, STODDARD, WHITNEY.
Mostly Colonial New England to present.  STODDARD is Nova Scotia.
From: John.Pimentel@bdragon.fidonet.org (John Pimentel)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FIDOnet <-> UseNet connection
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:44:20 GMT

NOTICE:   user.name@BDRAGON.FIDONET.ORG DOES NOT WORK

   Effective immediately and until further notice all mail that
can not be delivered as:

        user.name@f###.n###.z1.fidonet.org 
        (if the user provides his/her path)

is to be readdressed and mailed to:

        user.name@f315.n322.z1.fidonet.org

in your reply to user.name please include the origin line of the 
BBS and it'll get there quicker.

   If there are any problems I can be definately be reached at
the above mentioned usenet address.

John Pimentel.

BTW:  I'm the downlink from BDRAGON.FIDONET.ORG and BDRAGON is a 
"passthru" BBS.

 * Origin: @f315.n322.z1.fidonet.org  (508)562-5786 (1:322/315)
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:04:00 PDT
Reply-To:     rdw@SCOUT.HUMBOLDT.EDU
From:         rdw@SCOUT.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      TINY TAFEL
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

This is the first attempt that i have made at sending such a file appended to
this message. I hope it gets there in one peice.
~r fiedler.tt
~r bob
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:11:48 EDT
Reply-To:     Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
From:         Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Genealogical Societies: Card Indexes?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Sorry for not providing more information.  The following is from a Genealogical
Society of Pennsylvania handout:

The GSP maintains a Surname Interest File in its library catalog.  Its object
is to facilitate communication between researchers possessing the same
ancestral lines.  We now have four full file drawers of cards, which are
pointed out to patrons by library personnel.  You are welcome to add as many
names as you wish.  Mail them to the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, 1300
Locust Street, Philadelphia, PA  19107 on 3" x 5" index cards.  Every card
received will be filed.
This is the standard format:
  1- surname of interest
  2- time period
  3- location
  4- associated surnames
  5- your own name and address

Example:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DINGLE

Time - 1850 thru 1900

Location - So. Phila. - Northern Liberties - Olney - South NJ (Camden Co.)

Related lines - Kell, Roth, Hilbert, Knapp

Robert E. O'Connor
15021 Endicott St.
Phila., PA  19116
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From: hnewman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Harry Newman)
Subject: Forbes in New York
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:56:04 GMT


Looking for information about antecedents of Lorenzo D. Forbes
born abt 1829 in Galen, Wayne Co., NY.  Married Lydia A. ? in
1857.  Died and buried in Chesterton, Porter Co., IN.  Looking for
information about father, mother, and grandparents, etc.

Also looking for descendents of his children Lora, b. abt 1858 in
Michigan, Eugene b abt 1863 in Michigan and Charles born abt 1871
in Chesterton, IN.  His fourth child, Jesse Fidelia was my
Grandmother.

Harry

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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Former Adm. William Crowe Responds to Fitzwater Comments
Organization: NDA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:05:04 GMT


Here is a statement from retired Adm. William Crowe:

 Former Adm. William Crowe Responds to Fitzwater Comments
 To: National Desk, Political Writer
 Contact: Jay Coupe, 202-374-8424 or 703-528-3355

   WASHINGTON, Oct. 13  -- Following is the statement of retired 
Adm. William Crowe:

   "Given the latest news that the Bush administration is going to
get rid of their top economic advisors, I can understand that Marlin
Fitzwater has become an expert on White House firings.
   "However, his suggestion that my endorsement of Gov. Clinton stems
from my being 'fired' from my position as chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff is dead wrong.
   "The facts are that, as my second two-year term was coming to a
close in 1989, President Bush personally asked me to stay on as
chairman.  I was deeply honored to have this vote of confidence from
the president.  However, I decided that 47 years in uniform was quite
enough for any man, and I declined the president's offer.
   "Marlin Fitzwater was the president's spokesman when all this was
happening.  The president's efforts to have me stay on were widely
reported in the press.  I can only conclude that Mr. Fitzwater's
misstatement of the truth of this situation was deliberate.
   "It is precisely this pattern of campaign deception that convinces
me that my support for Gov. Clinton is the right decision for me and
for the country."
 -30-

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: soc.veterans,alt.war.vietnam
id <m0mfBYI-0000BpC@crash.cts.com>; Wed, 14 Oct 92 09: 26 PDT
	id <je33874@pro-amber.cts.com>; Wed, 14 Oct 92 09: 24 PDT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: 21 Military Leaders Endorse Bill Clinton for President
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:18:21 PDT

Well, I guess they have their opinion and I have mine. What this group does
has no bearing on what choice I (or anyone for that matter) make. I intend
to make up my own mind regarding the three choices. Its a waste of
newsprint.

ProLine:  rsopicki@pro-amber
Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-amber!rsopicki
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Anyone remember "The Saint"
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:16:56 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Greetings. I'm looking to make contact with anyone who was a 46Q or 46R
(formerly 71Q and 71R) in the active Army from 1981 to 1989.

My last duty station was Fort Belvoir, VA., where I was Public Affairs
Supervisor and co-editor of the Castle. I set a few precedents in the
Editorials and Commentaries department of KLW and TJ. Anyone remember
the name?

I'd LOVE to re-establish contact with lost friends and make new ones
on the net.

I'm in New Hampshire now and still have contact with a few close friends.

Would also love to hear from anyone who was stations at Corry Station in 
Pensacola, Fla. in late 82-early 83; Fort Ben Harrison, IND, at DINFOS
from March - July of 83; Fort McClellan, ALA from July 83 - Feb. 85;
Field Station Augsburg, FRG from March 85 - March 87; DINFOS from March
87 to April 87 (Editor's Course); and Fort Belvoir from May 87 to Sept. 89.
I would also LOVE to hear from anyone who attended the Army Worldwide
Newspaper Conference in Scottsdale, Ariz. in June 87 (especially
the "Mingles crowd").

Lemme hear from you! It's lonely out here in the civilian cold.


					Still breaking barriers,
					Staff Sgt. (once)
					Gary St. Lawrence
					(formerly of)
					U.S. Army Public Affairs

"We got this all wrapped up. Now, BRING ON THE SOVs!"
From: francl@ll.mit.edu (Michael Francl)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Re: CAU$E$ OF WAR$
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:07:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Originator: francl@ll.mit.edu (Michael Francl)

Looks like someone at the University of Wisconsin at
Eau Claire ate some bad cheese.  I'm glad only
Wisconsin taxpayers have to pay for this incisive
reasoning.


Michael Francl
USAF 85-89
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: CAU$E$ OF WAR$
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181840.1736@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>
>                                 CAU$E$ OF WAR$
>

   (Reams of Bullshit deleted)

>
>                                        Robert E. McElwaine
>
>

Geez! He forgot to mention FLUORIDATION of our vital water $upplie$, the
Tri-Partite Committee, the poi$oning of preciou$ body fluid$, and the evil$
of fi$h flour.

This guy tried posting this on VWAR-L a few weeks back and was laughed off
the net.  Now it looks like he's trying to sell his "Dr. Peter Beter" theories
here.  Peter Beter???? Is that a press agent's dream or what?  Take it for
what it's worth.  I expect it will show up on rec.alien_potatoe_eaters.pig.
music next.

TH
Newsgroups: soc.veterans,alt.war.vietnam
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: CAU$E$ OF WAR$
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:21:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181840.1736@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

That article is so full of bovine excrement that it should never have
been posted in the first place.

For one thing, whoever heard of genetically induced AIDS?  That means
that the cure had to be found to begin with.

Dave

USNR 1959-1961
USAF 1961-1965
A VET and proud of it

-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:40:12
From: Eberhard von Kitzing - MPImF - Heidelberg - FRG <mpimfhd!vkitzing@relay.eu.net>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Reply-To: vkitzing@germany.eu.net
Subject: Re: Questions about Manifestations of God
Distribution: world

Matt (MJ), (M Jones, mj115@uk.ac.cam.eng) replied to the folloeing
statement:

In <TOWFIQ.92Sep23224649@justice.UUCP> Dan Haratsay wrote:

Dan> The essential point is that each of these Manifestations of God
Dan> had the same purpose: to enlighten mankind and give it the
Dan> guidance to turn toward God.  In this respect, all these distinct
Dan> individuals can really be said to be the other.  (Moses IS Christ
Dan> IS Muhammed IS the Bab IS Baha'u'llah.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

MJ> Where is the unity in God's message over the years then?
MJ> 
MJ>    e.g. claim
MJ>    -----------
MJ> 
MJ> 1  Jesus says that through Him we get to God; it is God's free gift of
MJ>    GRACE. We cannot bridge the gap without Jesus.
MJ> 
MJ>    Islam says that we can get to God by doing GOOD - by bridging the
MJ>    gap ourselves.

In my opinion such problems occur if one takes as single sentence and
forgets the frame.  One of the fundamental teaching of Islam is that
one has to believe in God -- to have faith.  Good deeds are indicative
for faith.  But the same hold for Christianity.  "A tree that yieldeth
no fruits is apt for the fire" (my personal translation fromn German
to English).  Every faith has to bring forth fruits.  And one of these
fruits are good deeds.

MJ> 2  Jesus shows as a personal relationship with God.
MJ> 
MJ>    Buddism etc look to a nhilistic communion with an all enfolding
MJ>    spirit.

This is the version of Buddhism which is commonly known in the West.
But there are many more branches with very different opinions!  Many
of them are quite close to the Christian traditions.

MJ>    e.g. Text
MJ>    ----------
MJ> 
MJ> 1  The New Testament proclaims Jesus' DEATH on the CROSS and his
MJ>    victorious ressurrection.
MJ> 
MJ>    Islam speaks of a 'divine substitution' - Jesus was swapped, and
MJ>    never was crucified.
MJ> 
MJ> If Bahai's are willing to accept these sorts of major U turns in God's
MJ> manifestations then they presumably also can believe that God might in
MJ> his next manifestation decide to tell us that all this unity stuff was
MJ> not Quite the Point....

You mix up unity with identity.  The Judaic-Christian Faith changed a
lot during the several thousand years of existence.  And many Jews for
instance do not accept the Christian interpretation of the old
testament.  Therefore, Christianity has the same problem with Judaism
as the Baha'i-Faith has with Christianity and Islam.

But if you are interested in we may compare the arguments for the
Christian Faith with those of the Baha'i-Faith and see, what we can
get out of it.

------------------------------------------------------------

Eberhard von Kitzing
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Medizische Forschung
Jahnstr. 29, D6900 Heidelberg, FRG

FAX : +49-6221-486 459  (work)
Tel.: +49-6221-486 467  (work)
Tel.: +49-6221-385 129  (home)

email: vkitzing%mpimfhd.uucp@Germany.EU.net  or  vkitzing@mpimfhd.uucp
From: trhan@milton.u.washington.edu (Teri Rhan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: Re: Burial Laws
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43920
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I just wanted to thank all the loving and kind replies I received the
folks on this newsgroup and in private email regarding the the Baha'i
law of burial vs following the wishes of some one who is not a Bahai
and wants to be cremated.

My mother-in-law, Martha, a gentle woman, took me to her heart and
blessed me with all the loving kindness any person could ever desire
from a parent and called me daughter, this thoughful, endearing and
genuine soul who was grama to every child she encountered and to some
she never encountered, passed into the next world September 25th in
her sleep.  She was cremated 4 days after her last breath.  Her
presence will be very much missed in this world and I know very much
enjoyed in the next.

Please forgive me for not conveying my gratitude sooner.

Warmest Regards,
Teri

O MY God! O Thou forgiver of sins, bestower of gifts, dispeller of 
afflictions!
Verily, I beseech Thee to forgive the sins of such as have abandoned 
the physical garment and have ascended to the spiritual world.
O my Lord! Purify them from trespasses, dispel their sorrows, and 
change their darkness into light.  Cause them to enter the garden of 
happiness, cleanse them with the most pure water, and grant them to 
behold Thy splendors on the loftiest mount.

[A prayer of 'Abdu'l-Baha --rdt]
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: Re: Question about Different Religions
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Oct5.035312.12274@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett) writes:
>A question was put forth to me and I am forwarding to this forum for general
>consideration with hopes that the questioner will get a comprehensive answer
>from a wide audience.
>
>The question was this:
>
>Common view of Hinduism is that it is polytheistic and yet the Baha'is claim 
>that all religions come from one God.  How do Bahai's know their claim to be
>true as well as claiming that alot of the other religions have corrupted 
>themselves from their original form contrary to what each religion today is
>professing (Incarnation, reincarnation and absolutism)?
>
>This is one for Richard :-)
>
>David E. Barrett
>Honolulu, Hawaii

First we do not recognize Hinduism with all its practices; we recognize
Krishna as a prophet.

>From Bhagabad Gita{Mathew Arnold's translation}
Religion by devotion to the one supreme God

Arjuna : Who is that Brahma? What that Soul of Souls,
the ADHYATMAN? What thou Best of All!
Thy work, the Karma? Tell me what it is
Thou namest ADIBHUTA? Yea, and hou it comes
Thou canst be ADHIYAJNA in thy flesh?
Slayer of Madhu! Further, make me know
How good men find thee in the hour of death?

Kriahna. I BRAHMA am! the One Etrnal God,
And ADHYATMAN is My Being's name,
The Soul of Souls! What goeth forth from Me,
causing all life to live is Karma called:
And manifested in divided forms,
I am the ADIBHUTA Lord of Lives;
And ADHIDAIVA, Lord of all the gods
Because I am PURUSHA, who begets.
And ADHIYAJNA, Lord of Sacrifice,
I speaking with thee in this body here--
Am thou embodied one! (for all the shrines
Flame unto me!) And, at the hour of death.
He that hath meditated Me alone
In putting off his flesh, comes forth to Me,
Enters into My being --- doubt thou not!
But, if he meditated otherwise
At hour of death in putting off the flesh,
He goes to what he looked for Kunti's son!
Because the soul is fashioned to its like.

Have Me trhen, in thy heart always! and fight!
Thou too, when heart and mind are fixed on Me,
Shalt surely come to Me! All come who cleave
With never-wavering will of firmest faith,
Owning none other Gods; all come to Me,
the Uttermost, Purusha, Holiest!

shema Yisrael, adonai elohim , adonai ehad
(Hear O Israel, Your Lord God is One)

Arindam