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From: davej@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Dave Juraschek)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Scholarship/financial aid info services?
Keywords: Money for College
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:20:13 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.


On: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:25:31 GMT barrus@cod.nosc.mil says:
>        I am not sure if I am in the right newsgroup, 
>but I could not find any other that seemed applicable.
>
>        Deep down in the recesses of my brain I seem to
>recall something about a service that will give you a
>list of available scholarships or financial aid offered
>by the private and public sector for undergraduate education.
>It seems as though there were dozens of such opportunities 
>that go unanswered because no one applied.
>
>        Can anyone tell me of such a service or catalog 
>or whatever.  Thanks

Educational Scholarship Consultants (1-800-554-5357 extension 2274) can do
this for you.  (This number is a toll free call that will connect you to a
message system.  The message tells you a bit about ESC and how you can get
more information from them.)

Something that makes ESC unique is that unlike almost every other organization
that finds sources of private sector financial aid, they don't just have you
fill out a computer form and sent you off to some parent company to generate
an impersonal (and often non-relevant) report for you.  (Most scholarship
companies take your money and a computer data form.  They send this to some
parent company who generates a report.  The parent company then either then
mails you the report or sends it back to the company you contacted who then
simply mail the report to you.  Big deal!)

ESC not only gets a computer report generated from the largest, most up to date
private sector financial aid database around, ESC then hand searches numerous
periodicals, other data bases, listings, publications and other sources.  And,
ESC is generally cheaper (in cost) than the majority of their competitors.
A lot of ESC's sources are not generally available by school counselors or
found in public libraries. Another bonus, ESC staff are ALL college & high
school educators, (former or currently) one of whom who wrote most of the
student finances system software for the second largest community college
in the nation.  ESC is located just outside Washington D.C.  They are up to
generally are up to date with legistation that affects student financial
aid.


I hope this helps.

-Dave
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: bam@Bang.UUCP (Bret A. Marquis)
Subject: Boarding School Survivors
Reply-To: bam@Berkeley.edu
Organization: Marquis Co., San Diego
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:57:03 GMT


I'm looking for pointers to a London based organization mentioned
in the Wall Street Journal this week.  The name mentioned was
Boarding School Survivors and run by a Dr. Nick Duffell.

London directory assistance had no listing for either the doctor
or the organization.  An address and/or phone number would be
appreciated.


Bret Marquis
bam@Berkelely.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Information needed - graduate programs that do not require residency
From: pkailasam@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:19:18 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

Hello,
	I need some information. I need to find a list of schools that
accept students either for the masters or doctorate program in computer
science/engineering with the following.

1.	Out of state residency.

That is the student can stay in another state and complete his education
by coming to school like every alternate semester or correspond to his
adviser by an apporopriate manner.

2.	 This is for an International student and hence has to be fulltime for
that student to maintain his status. (If partime info is available, please do
mail it to me)

Any information would be appreciated.

PK

Apologies if this is not the right group.
From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Scholarship/financial aid info services?
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:25:31 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA


	I am not sure if I am in the right newsgroup, 
but I could not find any other that seemed applicable.

	Deep down in the recesses of my brain I seem to
recall something about a service that will give you a
list of available scholarships or financial aid offered
by the private and public sector for undergraduate education.
It seems as though there were dozens of such opportunities 
that go unanswered because no one applied.

	Can anyone tell me of such a service or catalog 
or whatever.  Thanks
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: rosebud@carson.u.washington.edu (June Bug)
Subject: Re: combined elem classes
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:59:29 GMT

tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon) writes:

>Has anyone heard of the practice of combining grades in elementary
>school?

[stuff concerning child's good experience with first grade, and
his being selceted for a 1st/2nd mixed @nd grade class for bright 2nd 
graders]

>My friend is very concerned with this situation. While he did say
>that the class seemed smaller then the other 2nd grade clases, he
>was worried about his child sharing a classroom with 1st graders,
>repeating things he had learned last year, etc.

>Anyone familiar with this practice? Any comments, reassurances, or
>warnings welcome. THanks in advance.

While I don't know very much about a first/second grade mix, I was
in a 2nd/3rd mix in second grade, And 3rd/4th and 5th/6th mixes third
through sixth grades.  Second grade was a regular class, 3rd through
6th were the gifted classes in my school.  The way they did it in the
gifted classes was they had a two year turnaround of material to
be covered (at least I think they did) because the only reteaching that
fourth graders had to See the third graders go through was cursive
handwriting, which was taught in all third grades.  The gifted clases 
weren't split up for any academic subjects that I remember.  I probably
benefitted a great deal from them, because although they were easy to me,
I always enjoyed them and looked forward to school, academically, untill
high school when I was put back into normal classes instead of honors
because nobody made sure I got into honors or AP where I belonged (this
is a sore subject with me).  I still did well enough to get into college
on my test scores, which is good because boring classes never inspired
me to work at all, so my grades were mediocre.

I'd say the split gifted education was the best in grade school, because we
also had the same teacher for two years.  (the teachers in gifted classes
(is that gifted teachers? :) always had a student teacher in class most of
the day, unlike the other classes, which only had a student teacher every 
couple of years.

I hope this helps your friend make the best decision for their child.

Clarica
rosebud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education,misc.jobs.misc
From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: Need info on correspondence degree programs
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:32:12 GMT

Sort of a side-issue here, but somewhat related. I have been trying
to find out, in California, what is required to teach at the Junior
(2 year) college level. I have been told various things by JC teachers
and administrators. I've been told, amoung other things that:

1. You need a masters degree in the subject you are going to teach.

2. Computer Science is an exception and X years of work experience
   can be substituted for a masters.

For example, I have 2 bachelors degrees; Math (for Teachers) and CS.
A year towards my masters (in 1981).  I have 12 years
of work experience (a small amount teaching related) in Computer
Science (mostly software design and development, a small amount
teaching related). Lots of experience coaching, teaching, playing
waterpolo and swimming.

If I wanted to make myself the most marketable in terms of teaching
and coaching (aquatics) at a JC, would I:

1. Get a Masters degree in Math and be able to teach Math and CS?
2. Get some sort of educational Masters degree?
3. Get a CS Masters Degree?

I'm not really interested in obtaining a masters degree in Math. CS
would be fun. An Educational Masters degree would probably be
the most interesting for me at this point.
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: mcdougal@cs.uchicago.edu (Tom McDougal)
Subject: Re: Teach for America
Followup-To: misc.education
Organization: U. of Chicago Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:41:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.025959.21840@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu wrote:
> 
> For a non-TV comercial, non-feelgood PBS documentary view of
> Teach America see a long letter from a former Teach America
> teacher in The Scientific American -- I'm sorry I can't
> be specific about the date, but I think it was January or February 
> of this year--nov or december of 1991 at the earliest.

January 92 -- I looked it up and read the essay.  It is good.
Thanks for the pointer.

--------------------------------------------------------
Tom McDougal  (mcdougal@cs.uchicago.edu)  (312) 702-0024
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: raismana@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Neal A Raisman)
Subject: Statewide Task Forces/recommendations
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:40:32 GMT

  I am engaged in some research on how, why and when states are planning to
  change higher education structures and missions.  A number of states have
  created statewide task forces which have made some quite far reaching sets
  of recommendations - Massachusetts, Ohio, ...  Others have had changes
  created through legislation.  I am interested in hearing about such task
  forces or legislation, proposed or recently enacted which have or may change
  higher education (community collegs, state colleges, universities).  If
  there is any information which can be sent, copies of reports or legislation
  or any materials, I would be very interested and pleased to receive them.
  Or, please let me hear about such task forces/legislation and where I might 
  send to obtain copies.
		Neal Raisman
		202 Administration Bldg.  ML  097
		University of Cincinnati 
		Cincinnati, OH  45221
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: hong@mbfys.kun.nl (Hong Zhou)
Subject: Looking for a friend at Texas A&M Univ.
Organization: University of Nijmegen
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 13:42:45 GMT

Hi Everyone out Texas,

I am in search of the address/telephone number of a friend
whose name is Elsje Verhagen. She is a graduate student majoring
in Education at Texas A&M Univ. If you can help me to locate 
her, please drop me a message. Your help is deeply appreciated. 

Thanks in advance, 

Hong Zhou
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Newsgroups: misc.education
From: mcdougal@cs.uchicago.edu (Tom McDougal)
Subject: Re: professional sequence (was:Teach for Amer.)
Followup-To: misc.education
Organization: U. of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.122826.3758@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
8schutting_r@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote:
> 
> .... most states, those that care, want 
> a professional sequence of courses from an accredited institution.

"Professional sequence," hmm...  For instance, to teach math (or history,
or English) in Illinois you have to have THREE semesters of physical 
education on your transcript.

What a waste.  What an affront to the professionalism of teaching.

--------------------------------------------------------
Tom McDougal  (mcdougal@cs.uchicago.edu)  (312) 702-0024
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: general ed requirements - need advice
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:17:35 GMT


A few years ago I received a BA degree in Linguistics from the University
of Caifornia. This year I decided to get a BS degree in Computer Science
from California State.
I was surprised to find that there are a great number of general ed
requirements which were not satisfied by my UC classes. Cal State's
requirements include Speech, Performing Arts or Phys Ed, a category
called Lifelong Understanding, and some other ones similar to UC's.
There is also a history/government requirement which was not satisfied
by a couple of exams I had to take at UC for a similar requirement.
I now find that after three part-time terms, I now need to take about
8 general ed courses but only 5 computer science courses.
One issue that concerns me is that requirements in general. I assume
Cal State has more requirements because they are afraid that students
there did not go to very good high school and/or are not native speakers
of English and thus should take more general ed. (I meant to say that
Speech etc. were not required at UC.) I have heard people say that
there are more general ed requirements because Cal State needs money
and are not in a rush to get you done.
The thing is, I have to fill out the same requirements as someone who
doesn't have a Bachelor's already. If I am right about the reasons
for the general ed requirements, shouldn't they not be applied to me?
The main reason I post this is that I would like to try to appeal some
or all of these requirements. Have any of you been in the same situation?
Have you heard of anyone who got out of these requirements?
(In case you're wondering, I took several computer courses at UC, most
of which transferred.) (Another note is that the linguistics courses
were considered social sciences at UC but are considered humanities at
Cal State.) Any thoughts/advice would interest me greatly!
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
From: waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (WA Office of Higher Education)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: HELP I need some friendly advise!!!!!
Date: 10 Sep 1992 09:22:58 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

jmd9888@zeus.tamu.edu (DURHAM, JAMES MICHAEL) writes:
: 
: Howdy,
:      First let me introduce myself, My name is Michael Durham.  I am currently
: working with some fine folks here at Texas A&M in developing ways that 
: industry can help the schools.  Primarily I work with grades 1 - 4 in the area
: of science.  I will be going into the classroom once a week the first week I 
: will be in a first grade class the second week a second grade class and so on
: untill by the 5th week I will go back to the first grade class that I worked 
: with during the first week.  I see that there are quite a few elementary school
: teachers on this net so here is my question.  If you had $20,000 to spend for 
: science experiments what would you try to do.  (ie. purchase microscopes 
: instead of just hand magnifiers).  Now keep in mind that I need to be able to 
: run experiments in all four grade levels so it would be really helpful if the
: labs would be able to build upon each other.  For example if I was to use micro-
: scopes in the first grade class then the following week I would want to do the
: same kind of lab just a little more indepth.
: 
: Any help would be greatfully appreciated.
: 
: Thanks in advance,
: Michael

All the best Michael, and I hope that there are some EST's on the net who 
can give you some useful feedback.
It sounds as if you are in a great learning situation yourself!
I'd be keen to read your insights after the project concludes.

Regards,

Jeff Oliver
Western Australian Office of Higher Education
  
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: dpicard@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (David Picard)
Subject: 4th Graders, Letters
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:08:14 GMT

Dear 4th Graders,\

Hello! This is Mr. Picard's class. We're from Charlottesville,
VA in the United States. Today is our 3rd day of 4th grade.
It's now 1:56:18 pm. We are interested in hearing from other
elementary school classes. Where are you from? What are your
names? What is your school like? Are your teacher's nice?
Please write back!

Sincerely,
Valinda, Jared, Diane, Ian, Greg, Jeff,Jenny, Charles, Bruce
Beatriz, Jonathon, Mr. Picard

dpicard@uva386.schools.edu
From: rnbritta@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD NEIL BRITTAIN)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Art education/Special education
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:23:44 GMT
Reply-To: rnbritta@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD NEIL BRITTAIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: rnbritta@c00053-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


Hello, my name is Neil Brittain.  I am posting this article for my fiance' who
attends Appalachian State University in Boone, NC.  She is interested in
hearing from other art education or special education faculty and students 
through e-mail.  She does not have access to the Network News Reader, so all
response would have to be through e-mail.  Her address is :

             byrdtl@conrad.appstate.edu

Her name is Teresa Byrd.  She is a double major(Art Ed. & Special Ed.).  She
served as a Governor's intern working with severely retarded individuals
this summer.  If any readers of this network would like to share their 
experiences, please write to her, she would enjoy hearing from you.
Thank you.

Neil & Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.education,k12.chat.teacher
From: atdhb@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Religious junk: Mail it back!
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska


             

I suggest we *all* mail *all* of rfan@maxwell.ece.w 's religious 
posts back to him.  That's what I've been doing.  That should jam  
up his mailbox and might put his account in jeopardy.  Not that I 
want to censor him, just chastise him for stepping over the line 
of courtesy. 

That address again:

rfan@maxwell.ece.w 

He might appreciate any other long religious files you have on   
hand...      

Don          
             
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: jmd9888@zeus.tamu.edu (DURHAM, JAMES MICHAEL)
Subject: HELP I need some friendly advise!!!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:32:00 GMT


Howdy,
     First let me introduce myself, My name is Michael Durham.  I am currently
working with some fine folks here at Texas A&M in developing ways that 
industry can help the schools.  Primarily I work with grades 1 - 4 in the area
of science.  I will be going into the classroom once a week the first week I 
will be in a first grade class the second week a second grade class and so on
untill by the 5th week I will go back to the first grade class that I worked 
with during the first week.  I see that there are quite a few elementary school
teachers on this net so here is my question.  If you had $20,000 to spend for 
science experiments what would you try to do.  (ie. purchase microscopes 
instead of just hand magnifiers).  Now keep in mind that I need to be able to 
run experiments in all four grade levels so it would be really helpful if the
labs would be able to build upon each other.  For example if I was to use micro-
scopes in the first grade class then the following week I would want to do the
same kind of lab just a little more indepth.

Any help would be greatfully appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Michael
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.213509.7219@bostech.com> (Leon Story) writes:

> If it's so impossible to provide superior education to a class which
> contains very bright (and motivated) and very slow kids, then why not
> give the supposedly bright ones the assignment of getting the slow
> ones up to speed (in motivation, in skills, and in comprehension)?
> Surely that's one of the greatest challenges they'll ever face.

In article <BuDDI3.4r0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (Herman Rubin) writes:

> Should a bright student learn a small fraction of what could otherwise 
> be learned and spend the bulk of the times attempting to teach the slow 
> ones?  

   "By your students you'll be taught."

   Herman Rubin makes a tacit assumption that the top students will
learn most efficiently when they are separated.  My experience hints
it ain't so...  Most people seem to learn best while explaining something
to an avid student.

   Leon Story issues a good challenge, but perhaps an unfair one.  The
poorly motivated student is a challenge that few of our best teachers
can meet.  I can't really ask non-teachers to accomplish what our best
teachers cannot.  And, past some point, a deficit of skills creates too
much of a gulf for the bright student to bridge.  But for the motivated,
interested, and ready student, I quite agree.

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 11:45:55 GMT

In article <Btv7Kn.67D@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
>... the normal class was full of kids who didn't
>give a damn, and who resented students (me) who did.  I think my hand
>was the only one raised all semester.  And if I'd been susceptible
>to peer pressure, mine wouldn't have been up after the first week.
>
   I have observed a number of non-honors classes.  Yes, fewer hands go
up.  The good teachers make up for it by calling on the students by name.

>I think you and Herman are addressing different sides of the same
>issue.  Children who don't care about learning retard the progress
>of the children who do.  A teacher needs feedback and stimulation in
>order to do a good job of teaching.  You can't teach a student who
>doesn't want to learn.
>
   You most assuredly _can_ teach a student who doesn't want to learn --
but why exactly do you _want_ to?

In article <BtyCJD.4H4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu
(Herman Rubin) writes:

>>>>This has been stated repeatedly on this group, but there are always
>>>>new readers.  I claim that we will never have even a fair educational
>>>>system as long as our children are prevented from learning because
>>>>others cannot do what they can.

>And in response to the quite relevant remarks of Ms. Perry, I would like
>to modify my "cannot" above to "cannot or will not."

   I disagree with both of you -- we do not solve the world's problems by
chopping off the education of 90% of the population.  And just possibly
the most important skill to be learned _might_ be how to work with other
people.

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: combined elem classes
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:38:04 GMT

Has anyone heard of the practice of combining grades in elementary
school?

A friend of mine has his son enrolled in a public Huntington beach
school. His soon attended this school for first grade, parents were
very happy with the school, son did very well. Now, in second grade,
they find out their son has been "selected" to be placed in a 
combined 1st/2nd grade class. Confused because of their son's high
placement in 1st grade, the parents talked to the administrator at
the school. The administrator said special bright students who worked
well alone were selected for this class, i.e. it wasn't made up of
"slow" 2nd graders.

My friend is very concerned with this situation. While he did say
that the class seemed smaller then the other 2nd grade clases, he
was worried about his child sharing a classroom with 1st graders,
repeating things he had learned last year, etc.

Anyone familiar with this practice? Any comments, reassurances, or
warnings welcome. THanks in advance.
Newsgroups: misc.education