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From: clcarlso@unity.ncsu.edu (Cheryl Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Spirit Concert
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:49:59 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity

I was told, a while back, that there was going to be a free Spirit of Atlanta Concert on April 25. Does anyone know wether it is still going to be held, and if so where it will be and what time its starting.

Thanks for the help.

Cheryl
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie)
Subject: Perspective
Keywords: corps bands marching
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:41:07 GMT

I have not marched with a drumcorps, but marched with my high school band
(George Rogers Clark, Winchester,KY) for 3 years, and in college (University
of Kentucky) for 2. While college marching is largely non-competitive, and
therefore was not as intense an experience as HS marching, I remember my
experience as being one where we spent many hours in the hot sun, practicing
music, learning drill, rehearsing and reHEARSing and reHEARSing, being bawled
out when we didn't get it or weren't giving it our all, being praised and 
encouraged when we got it right, developing a healthy rivalry and respect for
our nemesis down the road, getting fired up for competitions, singing our
show on the bus before each contest, feeling the tingle as we lined up before
the show and hugged and prayed, 

then the snares started

tap

tap

tap 

"And now, ..." the announcer announces us, as we take the field for competition,

The crowd, led by our friends and family in one unified clump somewhere in the
stands, cheers us on. We are concentrating on our field commander, watching
as he marks time 

"Marktime, mark! Hut two three four..."

We do what we've been taught and have dutifully practiced for our director, for
our families, for ourselves, feeding off the applause as we empty our hearts
through our instruments for the final push of the closer...

Waiting breathlessly for the placement and awards, beaming with pride or cursingthe judges' lineage depending on the outcome, but knowing we've done a our job..

***
Does it really matter if we had a reed instrument or conical or cylindrical borebrass instrument or held sticks or twirled something?  Sure, the corps are on th
the cutting edge of the marching arts, but I refuse to believe that my experience was fundamentally different from anyone else's who has performed in a marching
competition. 

From a spectator's point of view, I get the same chills whether I see the MBA
finals in Indianapolis or Soaring Sounds in Centerville, OH. I enjoy seeing goodmusic played well accompanied by thoughtfully constructed drill and flashy guardwork that is competently executed by a group of people who love what they are doing and who are out to entertain me. 

Is this group for ex-marchers, or for marching fans in general? I feel that 
postings could be marked for those who want to kill all band posts, but I
would hope that it would be because of simple lack of interest in band matters
rather than any imagined superiority.

Darryl Wylie 
(Bearhug)
dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: plorch@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch)
Subject: composer intentions
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:35:28 GMT

I agree that a composer probably never intended for their piece to be performed
in the drum corps setting, but I also think that I would consider it a 
compliment to see a corps performing my music. True, it would have to be
altered quite a bit, but the musical ideas expressed in the arrangement would
be chiefly the composers. A few years ago, Jay Kennedy, a DCI judge and a 
freelance composer was interviewed on the DCI finals program, and he expressed
the same feelings about drum corps arranging his original pieces for shows.
One positive aspect is that it exposes a large audience to music that they
may not have heard before. I know that by listening to corps and playing in
marching band, I have been exposed to wide varieties of music that I would
not have listened to before. For example, in 1989, Phantom Regiment's New 
World show introduced me to the music of Antonin Dvorak, and now he is my
favorite romantinc composer. How could Aaron Copland be upset over the 
beautiful arrangement of the Appalachian Spring Suite that the Cadets did
in '87?  For composers, drum corps is another valuable arena for their music
to be heard and appreciated by thousands of people.
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Intercorps relations
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:18:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr11.181845.29076
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

With all the discussion about competition, I thought I'd share one of my
favorite experiences in corps.

1988, Severeville, TN.  Show time.  Thunderstorm from hell.
SCV was staying in the school was using the gym to work the horn line.  We
(Madison) headed in for shelter.  The staffs thought it might be fun to
put the lines together and play a bit.  We sang and then played through
"You'll Never Walk Alone".  It was really moving.  After that, each line
went up onto opposite balconies (the gym is a dome type design) and played
show excerpts for the other.  Needless to say, it was awesome to hear them
play for us, and I think fair to say they enjoyed our performance as well.
That experience brought us together as organizations.  The show did eventually
go on, and we got slaughtered.  No one cared.  For us, the best part of the
evening happened in that gym.

Dave
-- 
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Department of Nuclear Engineering and Engineering Physics
Plasma Source Ion Implantation Project
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: plorch@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch)
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:11:39 GMT

In <ivan.703273293@ux.acs.umn.edu> ivan@ux.acs.umn.edu (Ivan W. Hyde) writes:

>I would say Minneapolis is well geared up for an attraction like this...
>After hosting the Super Bowl, Final Four, World Series, Stanley Cup
>playoffs, WCHA championship... This town is definately the place for events
>this year! 

>Ivan

As another Minnesotan (and a member of the Minnesota Marching Band) I would
like nothing more than th see a DCI World Championship held in the Twin Cities.
The place has shown that it is capable of handling big events. But the only
problem is the Twin Cities lacks the facilities to host the actual show.  There
is no stadium in Minneapolis or St. Paul that is big enough or "proper" to
hold a big drum corps show.  Sure, there is the Metrodome, but acoustics in
there would ruin the corps' music. Besides that, the Metrodome is well tied up
around that time of year with the Minnesota Twins. (And who wants to sit indoors
for a drum corps show!)  Now, I wouldn't mind seeing more shows around the area.
...., but DCI Championships in Minneapolis would have to wait until there is 
an outdoor stadium.

(By the way, Minneapolis was one of the 49? cities to place a bid to host
the DCI championships, but was eliminated early for these reasons.)

						Pat Lorch
						U of M Marching Saxes
						Minnesota Brass Inc. Guard

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Subject: Re: uniform question
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:05:27 CDT

In article <1992Apr10.135146.4810@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.153905.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:
>>	I say that spats worn on the feet of the performers attracts attention
>>to that area just as gauntlets or plumes would to their respective areas.  
>>Therefore i feel like spats would indicate exposure of individual and ensemble
>>marching technique rather than my friend who theorises that spat hide marching
>>technique.
>
>>>>I agree with you here. If anyone remembers the 27th Lancers, they wore white
>spats on black shoes. I'm positive it was not to HIDE their technique...
>especially since they wore dark pants also. If the uniform is right, I think
>spats look very nice....
>
>>
>>ptSLOAN
>>"sir dolittle the KNYGHTE"
>>grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
>>Appalachian State University 
>
>...Kel
>
>

Spast may hide individual marching technique, but they are a dead givaway
for poor timing.  A judge (or more importantly, audience) can see as well
as hear any problems.

I find it hard to believe that the Lancers needed to hide style.  From what
I've seen, and alumni I've talked to, they were style mongers.  Basics
from hell every day.

Dave
From: Todd_Toles@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Todd Toles)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Audio Tapes Avail?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:50:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Todd_Toles.0blq
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

I know that the answer to this question is probably in DCI Today, but here
is goes:

   Are Audio tapes of any of the shows available? 
      Such as Phantom's version of the New World, etc.

Thanks.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.991

Todd Toles
Fido: 1:396/37.4
UUCP: rex!agwbbs!todd_Toles
Internet: Todd_Toles@agwbbs.new-orleans.la.us
Snail: UNO PO BOX 645, New Orleans, 70148-0645
From: dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Keywords: john,sports,dci
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:28:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)

	"Well....I don't know Dick. It doesn't look like this guy's got his
stuff together. Now if you'll look at the replay you'll notice the hand off.
The secondary drum captain nearly fumbles the stick, but it was recovered
by the pit section. In my opinion Dick, anymore slip-ups like this and
we could be talking about a good 3 points off of their rating."

D.L.G.III Ex-L.B.J. Jag Drumline
From: urcat@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: california shows in '92 & misc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:20:00 GMT

What a treat to find a newsgroup worth reading!! :)

I marched Velvet Knights '86 (the James Bond Tour)
and have never gotten corps out of my blood, although
I never had a chance to march again, nor keep up on
the DCI world in general, etc.  My first question,
a number of people have mentioned "Senior Corps" in their
postings....should I be right in gathering that this is
corps for all those age-out folk like myself (who really
would like to keep going?  22 is not *ancient* by any
means!!!  Heck, life's just beginning!!)  Are there
any senior corps in Southern CA?  (Or sort of that region?)

Speaking of CA....Could someone either post or e-mail me
information re: shows in CA in '92?  And if there are any
people interested in carpooling, swapping old stories and
generally having fun road-tripping to see shows....
*definitely* e-mail me about it (I'm in Santa Barbara now.)

Also -- any old VK alumni (or die-hard fans) out there 
who can catch me up on how VK's been the past 6 years?
I'm sorry to have never been around when we did better than
12th (was VK 5th in '87? or something like that?)...but
I should count myself lucky to have *ever* been part of
the "elite" top 12!  (no flames, please!)

Finally,...the Band vs. Corps threads have been amusing, to
say the least.  IMHO, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE CORPS.  But that
doesn't mean I'm shunning the entire non-corps world!  
As pointed out, bands learn *tons* from Corps....and yet,
each has it's own style, purpose, limitations, strengths, etc.
Definitely (if votes are being counted) articles should
have posted titles distinguishing them as BAND, if that's 
what someone wants to discuss....but, come on folks, this 
*is* called alt.drumcorps!  I'm grateful for all I learned
from bands (both east coast and california high school)
and from more formal musical training (i.e. college,
orchestral)....but nothing will ever compare to what we went
through on the road.  And I wouldn't ever *want* anything to
compare!  

Another BTW, anyone remember about a week-and-a-half before
finals at Madison '86 when one corps had bad water and about
one or two dozen players dropped on the field?  (Folklore
had it that they'd fixed spaghetti with the bad water...so
it was akin to food poisoning)  Was that Phantom?  How was 
everyone afterwards?  I always wondered how those players were.

Thanks for all the help!

Cat McGlothlin (Chris - back in '86...college nickname)
urcat@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
Velvet Knights '86 -- pit. (yeah, I know, pit doesn't "march" <sigh>)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:37:07 CDT

Madison:
	housing:  This *is* a problem.  The University begins early Sept., so
they are probably unwilling to put people up when students move in a week
after that.  This is one thing that kept Mad City off DCI's list.

	stadium seats:  Remember when they hadn't finished painting the seats
and people had to sit on raw fiberglass?

Twin Cities:
	The location is cool, but I wouldn't put a drum corps show in the 
"Humpty Dome" if is was the last place on earth.  I *HATE* that stadium.
We've seen what even a covered grandstand can do to timing (a la Olympic
Statium, Montreal), can you imagine what a dome would do to timing?  (Please
don't tell me how the Gophers have no trouble.  The timing demands placed
on a Big 10 style band are nonexistant compared to corps.  By the way, this
is NOT a slam on Big 10 bands, I marched in one 4 years and it made my
undergraduate college experience.  Facts be facts.)

Dave
-- 
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Nuclear Engineering and Engineering Physics
Plasma Source Ion Implantation Project
Division of Slave Labor
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: composer intentions
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:31:56 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.173528.1343@news2.cis.umn.edu> plorch@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch) writes:
>I agree that a composer probably never intended for their piece to be performed
>in the drum corps setting, but I also think that I would consider it a 
>compliment to see a corps performing my music. 
>How could Aaron Copland be upset over the 
>beautiful arrangement of the Appalachian Spring Suite that the Cadets did
>in '87?  For composers, drum corps is another valuable arena for their music
>to be heard and appreciated by thousands of people.

I remember that in 1985, I actually wrote a letter to Leonard Bernstein
to let him know that drum corps existed and that his music were some of
drum corps' most popular selections.  I told him that SCV's performed  
his Slava! and On the Town and the Garfield did Mass, West Side Story,
and was doing Candide, Make Our Garden Grow, and Jeremiah Symphony.  I
even went so far as to tell him the dates of shows in the NYC area in
1985 and gave him DCI's toll free number to call.

I never did hear back from him :-)  But I did find out later (don't
remember the source) that Bernstein was familiar with drum corps and
approved of it greatly as a youth program.


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From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr16.120117.2382@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu>, michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>> 	That's enough for now.  BTW, I am rather disappointed in the sites
>> chosen for DCI finals.  Jackson, Mississippi?  Jacksonville, Florida?
>> Sheesh, I never knew these cities were ever interested in drum corps let
>> alone have some.  I just feel that the Board of Directors should have
>> considered things other than the 'great' deals that these cities submitted.  I
>> don't know but I feel that city participation should weigh heavily as a
>> factor.  (Darnit, why was Madison, Wisconsin zotted?)
>
>They don't.  Have corps, that is.  ( If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will
>point it out. :-)  Perhaps its to spread the gospel, as it were.  Finals
>have been in Birmingham AL and the South regional has been there for the
>last few years and I believe that B'ham has shown its support for DCI 
>pretty well.  Ask me or some of the other few thousand `91 South attendees
>who went to the show in a pouring thunderstorm, without knowing if the
>show would be canceled or not.  As Michael Fath and I have pointed out,
>the south has up and coming corps and in the past, kids have not been
>really 'into' drum corps down here.  There are vast pools of talent in
>the region including Miss. and north Florida that remain largely 
>untapped.  Having finals in these locales will give the activity more
>exposure in this region which is still adding population at an extreme
>rate.  
>
[ ... ]
>
>Laying this indictment on Jacksonville and Jackson, neither of which
>have had a chance to play host yet, is a bit unfair.  I'll reserve 
>judgement on Jackson until after I go to South there this season.
>I do know for a fact that there are drumcorps fans in Jackson.  Give
>the cities a chance before you condemn them completely.
>
> - jay

I was a little disapointed to see only one site west of the rockies
(to be announced) late in the schedule.  In recent years there have
been at least four corps from the west ( SCV, BD, Freelancers and
VK ) in the top 12.  Not to mention the Mandarin from Sacramento
that won the A60 class (I think) at least two years.  Even the
Santa Clara Vanguard Cadets made DCI membership last year in their
first attempt at it.

At the risk of sounding like sour grapes, all we get to see are
the early shows which don't compare to finals.  And yet we have
consistantly had several of the best Corps.  I guess that we
should be thankful that our Corps are good enough to make the
final tv show.

Neil
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Keywords: bands and corps
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxeline.1992Apr7.151953.14291
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

>Here's my question and then a proposal.  How do people feel about including
>discussion about marching bands in our humble NewsGroup?  Post your replies
>and hopefully we can reach some kind of consensus.  If people are over-
>whelming hostile to the idea, it may be possible to create a new NewsNet
>group devoted just to bands.  But I hope that will not be the case.
>
>I propose the following.  My wife reads rec.arts.tv.soaps and they preface
>all their messages with the initials of the soap opera that they are
>discussing.  So if you're not interested in one soap opera, you add
>those initials to you kill file and then it kills all those articles which
>you're not interested in.  We could institute a similar policy for band
>posts on alt.drumcorps.  Preface any band post with the word BAND.  Those
>of us who want to read about bands and corps can so freely.  Those who
>just want corps info can add the word BAND to their kill file.  They'll
>never have to worry about reading any BAND posts again!

>Comments?  Please post :-)


Though I would like to see a little less talk about the sizes of bands that we
marched in, and more about drum corp. I really don't have a problem with people
posting about band. If you don't want to read about band, simply delete it!

I do, however, find it very offensive that after only about a week someone has
left the newsgroup because of a flame. Really folks, were I come from, drum 
corp people are friendly to each other, why don't we try to get our newsgroup
the same way.....


my $.02

Kel
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Intercorps relations
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:36:02 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: Arizona State University

>I had a similar experience when I marched Cavaliers in 1984.  We were
>competing in Michigan City, IN and after the contest, we formed a huge
>semi-circle in the field next to the stadium with Santa Clara (also).
>We lined up every other person shoulder to shoulder and played some
>chord progressions together.  We then played parts of our show for each
>other.  It was really awesome and made me realize we are all a part of
>the same extended family.  Does SCV make a point of doing this with 
>every corps or is it just coincidence?  Inquiring minds want to know ;-)

We (Phantom) played with them in '84 also in Denver.  They had scheduled
a mini free day (more of a free afternoon - we drove all night and arrived
in Denver at ~3:00 PM) with them in a park.  We played our show, they
played theirs, then we played Elsa's and Send in the Clowns togeather.
The audience about shit - literaly.  Then they told us to mingle.  Nobody
moved - no one wanted to be the first to break from attention so we stood
there at least a minute until we finally started mingling.  It was a blast
while it lasted - thunderstorms broke it off early - and almost ended up
canceling the entire show the next day.  That was another thing - playing
1812 with huge blasts of thunder in the background - awsome.

Anyone else agree that the audience in Denvre is the best to perform for?  
Also, did anyone else remember playing You'll never walk alone with
about 8 corps in Madison in either '83 or '84.  That time the audience
did shit, I'm sure of it.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Subject: Re: Percussionists are stuck up. AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT!!!!!
Keywords: attitude, drummers
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:59:44 GMT

cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.175415.19931@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>>
>>I don't understand why this discussion even merits attention, when we ALL
>>know it is the horn line that makes the drum corps!

*GASP*  But what horn player can backstick? ;)
Percussion lines (but more so the pits) make the corps, IMHO.


>>
>>(Oh, boy.  I bet I'm in for a ride on *this* one!  Well, no one ever accused
>>me of being smart.)
>>
>>Dave

>As a former soprano player, I couldn't agree more.  Actually all parts
>of the corps have their purpose, each is essential in their own right.
>But I am still partial to the hornline.
>				-Marietta

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