From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Advice on Academic Studies (Re: This newgroup rejuvenated)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:30:42 GMT
 <1992Sep24.215413.13027@mail.cornell.edu>
 <1992Sep28.002222.20229@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Sep28.002222.20229@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>However, many Chinese-cu, rednecks, KKKer's, and Nazis believe that
>ethnicity does determine culture; for example, those bigots believe
>that because a person is Japanese-ge, he/she will do the Japanese-cu
>"thing".  Two examples of people who hold this view are Mr. Yong Wee
>Dennis Lee (yongwee@leland.stanford.edu) and Mr. Wilbur Pan
>(u58402@uicvm.uic.edu).

I am really sick and tired of being called a bigot and a racist.

One thing that Mr. Joe neglects to mention is that he is a
Chinese-ge who is anti-Chinese-cu. He fancies himself to be either
Western-cu, or American-cu, but the values he espouses would be a
detriment to any culture.

Mr. Joe has made a point of saying that no one knows his ethnicity,
and I have attempted to honor his desire to keep his ethnicity in
question. However, Mr. Joe has unjustifiably called me a racist in
this public forum. I respect his right to be vague about his
personal identity. I respect his right to be an idiot. I do not
respect his right to make unfounded accusations.

A couple of weeks ago, he made a promise to the "silent readers" of
s.c.a.a.:

In message <1992Sep13.225928.3971@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

> Hence, I shall post his e-mail, in its entirety, on this group
> from this point forward.  Unfortunately, I did not keep his
> earlier e-mail.  They amounted to several kilobytes of storage.

I sent Mr. Joe the following message, which he did not post. As a
favor to Mr. Joe, I shall post it for him, since he obviously is
too busy to follow up on his promises.

Dear Dwight,

Feel free to post this in its entirety.

I met a close friend of mine, Jay, on the Taiwan trip in 1985. Over
the years we have kept in touch, and we have met each other's
friends. I have met your brother Truman, who went to school (Rice
University) with Jay. From him I know that your family is from Hong
Kong. I only coincidentally found out that you were Truman's
brother because I was talking to Jay, who had just told me about
netnews, about some guy named Dwight Joe who was posting garbage
about Chinese culture on s.c.a.a. and that his email address
indicated that he was from Stanford. Jay then told me that you were
Truman's brother. I have had other confirmation of this, from other
friends of mine who went to Rice.

So, we have the following:

1. You are of Chinese descent.
2. Your family traces its roots back to Hong Kong
3. You are a graduate student in electrical engineering or
   computer science at Stanford.
4. You are from Houston.
5. Your brother Truman is in the San Fransisco area.

The ONLY reason I have not posted this information on the net is
because I am rather leery of posting personal information in a
public forum. However, because you have consistently and
irrationally conducted diatribes against what you term
"Chinese-cu", and because you are of Chinese descent, this
information is of interest. It is analogous to the "outing" of gay
congressmen who pass anti-gay legislation, or the revelation that
hawkish senators pulled deferrments on their draft status when it
was their time to serve in the military.

You have stated above that you will post email that I send you.
Fine. For the record, I have attempted to be as polite as possible
when I post s.c.a.a., which is a PUBLIC forum, and have therefore
left the question of your ethnic background open when I post. I
have called you a liar, but that is because you have fabricated
information and posted it PUBLICLY to s.c.a.a. Also for the record,
I knew Jay and your brother Truman long before I started reading
this group, and you were in full swing when I got access.

You have consistently failed to show either a consistent pattern in
Chinese culture of the atrocities you allege.

You have failed to show that such behavior is endemic and unique to
the Chinese people.

You show a poor understanding of genetics and modern medicine. You
seem to be incapable of watching a film without making more than
the most superficial evaluation of the plot.

You have fabricated quotes to back up your poor excuse for logical
reasoning.

You demonstrate time and time again that you are incapable of
making a rational argument based on facts and logic, and therefore
are a poor example of Western thought. Aristotle would be
embarrased to see your line of thinking.

You have falsely accused me of being a racist.

As I have said above, I am not of a mind to post biographical
information in a public forum. You may do so about yourself, if you
wish. The choice is yours.

If you choose to post this, do so in its entirety.

Have a nice day.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
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