HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ta2321s@dunix.drake.edu (Terry Asher alias -       The Penguin)
Subject: Stale & Trn
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:01:02 GMT

    I have 2 questions - one concerns c-news dated Dec. 22, 1991 and the other
is about trn version 2.0.  Forgive me if these questions have been asked 
before.  I am our news administrator at Drake University and am fairly new
to c-news.  We get our feed from news.iastate.edu and I have talked with them
and they assured me that this next error was not their fault.  We checked to
see if it was a clock-sync problem between our two systems and our system time
wasn't off by more than a minute from their time.  They have the May, 1992
version of c-news.

    The first error is in root's mail which reads as follows:
      leading five sites sending stale/future/misdated news:
      249 news.iastate.edu
The number above changes constantly; going up and down.

    The second error is more an enhancement than an error.  Is there some way
that when you start trn you can get the first 22 news groups in your .newsrc 
file on your screen instead of just the first 5?  Also, is there some way to
get rid of the question that asks if you want to subscribe to the newest group
on Usenet and automatically subscribe to every new news group that comes out
and have it added to the end of your .newsrc file?  Thanks to all who respond.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: format of a digest article
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:55:43 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <C0KH72.Auv@sherpa.UUCP> rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger Cornelius) writes:
>This should be a simple one.  Which RFC, if any, describes the format
>of a digest article?

1153.  But you should read MIME (RFC 1341) instead; MIME's "multipart/digest"
format is vastly superior, if you've got any choice in the matter at all,
and is the way things are likely to go in the future.

Be warned, also, that digest format evolved informally, and you should not
count on existing digests observing even 1153.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard R. Harms)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Stale & Trn
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:56:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grayhawk - Des Moines Public Access Unix - 515/277-6753

In article <1993Jan7.170102.1835@dunix.drake.edu> ta2321s@dunix.drake.edu (Terry Asher alias -       The Penguin) writes:
>    The first error is in root's mail which reads as follows:
>      leading five sites sending stale/future/misdated news:
>      249 news.iastate.edu
>The number above changes constantly; going up and down.

Terry,
 
If you look at the manual page for relaynews - c-news/man/relaynews.8:
          -o causes articles with dates
          (in Date: headers) more than days old to be dropped (usually
          to stop accidentally-retransmitted old articles).
 
If you look at the script input/newsrun you'll see where it picks up the value
for a variable called 'stale' - and passed it to relaynews. newsrun is what's
actually started by cron to do the posting in incoming news.
 
The variable 'stale' is set by calling a script 'staleness' in
c-news/relay/aux/staleness. It takes the value from the /expired/ line in
/usr/lib/news/explist and returns that... the /expired/ line is therefore used
to see if an article it too old - in addition to determining how many days
only lines in /usr/lib/news/history are kept for killing duplicate articles.

It doesn't seen that anything in c-news/man actually says where the value
for determining stale news comes from... might be a useful addition if it
wasn't that I just overlooked it.

-rh

-- 
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Des Moines, Iowa 50311       AOnline: Grayhawk             AppleLink: D2656 
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From: len@netsys.com (Len Rose)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.future,news.groups,news.misc,news.software.readers,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: NetNews, a blueprint for survival
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:18:42 GMT
Organization: Netsys Inc.

I hate to mention this , because I know someone is going to complain.However,
I know I have a dead on solution for alot of the problems, excluding the
dynamic reconfiguration of incoming newsfeeds.

Our service retransmits a full feed via satellite. We have been uplinking
news for over 7 months now without a day of downtime. We're now transmitting
approximately 50 megabytes per 24 hours, and it's sent out as soon as we get
it. The source is about 8 full nntp feeds of every newsgroup in the world.

Our beta ms windows software filters on the fly, so a pc can collect whatever
newsgroup the individual user desires and discard the rest. Sort of a flexible
mask if you will. 

Our unix software fits seamlessly into B News, C news, and execs rnews on the
incoming batch.

Now Pagesat is feeding 56 simultaneous feeds, 24 hours a day 7 days a week
via GE's K2 satellite. 

When we release the Windows 3.1 software , you'll no longer need a Unix system
and countless hours of administration to be on the net. The price of admission
has dropped.

I invite any of our valued customers to speak up and verify what I say..


We're here to stay..



-- 
  len@netsys.com  "What a long,strange trip it's been.." or "Gee,I'm free!"
For more information regarding Pagesat's Usenet to Satellite Uplink system,
 Mail postal address to "pagesat@pagesat.com" 415-424-0380 (ask for marketing)
    .. Delivering 45+ megabytes of Usenet news each day, at 9600 bps ..
From: katz@elements.rpal.rockwell.com (Morry Katz)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: INN error message I don't understand
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:52:34
Organization: Rockwell International Palo Alto Lab
	<1isho3INN1mb@rodan.UU.NET>
Reply-To: katz@rpal.rockwell.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: carbon.rpal.rockwell.com
In-reply-to: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET's message of 11 Jan 1993 14:28:03 -0500

In article <1isho3INN1mb@rodan.UU.NET> rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) writes:
> 
> In <KATZ.93Jan11110023@carbon.elements.rpal.rockwell.com> katz@rpal.rockwell.com writes:
>>Can some tell me what causes error messages of the form shown below in
>>INN?
>>Jan 11 09:57:47 carbon innd: ME cant update_active talk.politics.misc
>>Jan 11 09:58:15 carbon innd: ME cant update_active soc.motss
> It tried to assign an article number that is too big to fit into your
> active file.
> 
>>I then nfs mounted the new location on the old ...
> Most people believe that it is best to have the spool directory be a local
> filesystem on the same host where innd or relaynews resides.  They believe
> this to be even more true of the lib directory.  Nobody can directly point
> fingers at NFS bugs or (mis-)features that cause problems, but experienced
> sys admins are generally very paranoid about doing this.  Just a data point.
> 
The file system is nfs mounted to another partition on the same
machine.  Is there a better way of donig things if one is forced to
move news to a different partition due to a shortage of disk space in
its current partition.  That is, is there a solution short of
reinstalling inn and specifying a new location for articles at
installation time.

>>I know that this can happen as a result of doing something like tar to
>>copy news and thereby splitting cross-posted articles.
> No, INN will revert to symlinks fine.  Make sure to use the -l flag in
> your expire, however.  See also the caveats in news-recovery.8.
> 	/r$

I am a little confused.  Under what circumstances does inn instroduce
sym links?  Before I moved my news spool and nfs mounted it I never
used the -l flag and never had any problems.  Does the nfs mounting
cause inn to create sym links?
--
------------------------------------------------------
Morry Katz
Rockwell Science Center
administrator@rpal.rockwell.com (machine administration issues)
katz@rpal.rockwell.com (other)
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger Cornelius)
Subject: format of a digest article
Organization: Roger's House; Gulfport, Fl
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:18:37 GMT

This should be a simple one.  Which RFC, if any, describes the format
of a digest article?

-- 
Roger Cornelius        sherpa!rac@uunet.uu.net       ...!uunet!sherpa!rac
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: "Official" distributions found!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:11:09 -0800
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.dis.cccd.edu

I've been informed that some distribution lists were posted to news.lists
(among other places) just hours after I posted my original query.

Thanks.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: rgg@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Rupert G. Goldie)
Subject: Re: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see?
Summary: don't give posting priviledges to the terminally clueless
Keywords: clueless, utterly clueless
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:56:28 GMT

In articles sprayed mindlessly across all of USENET Babak Sehari writes:

>What type of new innovation, software or products do you want to be
>introduced to the market place.  No answer is stupid.  The things
>that might be unachievable to you, might be very easy to produce
>by others.  You could become part of history by initiating the process of
>innovation.
>
 I would like to see news posting software that stopped the terminally
clueless from posting semi-marketroid babble to each newsgroup
individually. I hope this answer isn't stupid. I would hope that someone
could create it so that I could become part of history by initiating the 
process of innovation.

>P.S.  This message is being automatically posted to all unix wide bbs'. 
 
 I'm sure news administrators all over the world appreciate your effort,
particularly as you don't seem to have grasped the concept of crossposting.
What a pity you didn't top it all off by mentioning N a z i 's, 
A r m e n i a n 's, or T u r k s as well.

>This post does not mean that I approve or disapprove this newsgroup.  Also,
>the moderator of the moderated newsgroups, such as rec.humor.funny, should 
>decide if they want this posting in their newsgroup.
 
 I'm certain all the moderators out there appreciate you letting them make
that decision for themselves.


Rupert
-- 
Rupert G. Goldie, Research Scientist                rgg@aaii.oz.au
Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute        
/\/\|| 1 Grattan Street, Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,alt.amateur-comp
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Need help posting newsletter sequentially.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:23:39 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1993Jan8.023043.21189@news.columbia.edu> hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:
>... If possible, we would like to post
>these four parts in sequential order. I know there is a way to
>order posts so they appear in the right order at every site, but
>don't know exactly how to do this. Could anyone tell me...

Actually, no, there is no way to guarantee ordering, not with all news
readers.  Some of the threaded readers will (I think) show you things
in thread order, but they're by no means universal yet.

Simply posting the four parts one at a time (say) 12 hours apart will
give a very high probability that they will appear in that order to
everyone, regardless of reader technology.

You probably should tie them together into a thread, though.  Post the
first one.  Then post the second one as a followup to the first, and
the third as a followup to the second, and so on.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
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From: jpm@cs.hut.fi (Jussi-Pekka Mantere)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.software.b
Subject: Re: C news seems to be creating dups
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:04:29 GMT
	<Bzo4xL.6FI@world.std.com> <BzoJpx.Fz8@optimla.aimla.com>
	<BzooJF.IE8@world.std.com> <BzqEBM.5p8@optimla.aimla.com>
Followup-To: news.software.b
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
NNTP-Posting-Host: laphroaig.cs.hut.fi
In-reply-to: walter@optimla.aimla.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:28:33 GMT

Walter Hunt <walter@optimla.aimla.com> writes:

	   1. I run expires by doing "doexpire -s -r ; mkhistory";
...
	   2. Running dbz results in an error: 

   /usr/local/bin/cnews/dbz: (file `history', line 809) `....' already present 

Hopefully this patch will help you.

If you have several copies of a single article which have come at
different times, the this will put all the different instances into
a single history entry.

Best Regards,

Jussi-Pekka Mantere

*** mkhistory.orig	Fri May  8 17:40:08 1992
--- mkhistory	Wed Oct 14 22:35:25 1992
***************
*** 51,58 ****
  	fi
  done
  find $them -type f -name '[0-9]*' -print | histinfo |
! 	sort $SORTTMP -t'	' +1n |
! 	awk -f $NEWSBIN/expire/histdups | histslash >$NEWSCTL/history.n
  
  cd $NEWSCTL
  if egrep '^<[^>]*@trash>	' history.n >/dev/null
--- 51,58 ----
  	fi
  done
  find $them -type f -name '[0-9]*' -print | histinfo |
! 	sort $SORTTMP -t'	' -1 | awk -f $NEWSBIN/expire/histdups |
! 	sort $SORTTMP -t'	' +1n | histslash >$NEWSCTL/history.n
  
  cd $NEWSCTL
  if egrep '^<[^>]*@trash>	' history.n >/dev/null
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:52:42 GMT
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <2B4B0168.33D4@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
>Good header lines _are_ universal... at my site.  And that's all that
>matters to me when I compose my signature.  Of course, I decide to put
>my organization down there, too; it's only three words or so.

I don't see a mention in your Organization: header of which country
you're based in.

Does FL stand for Flatland? :-)

Cheers,
-- 
\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17                   No-one is to molest
vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk  ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!vato           the wombat when
/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/            anyone is
@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Articles rejected at news.uu.net during the past week
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:08:05 GMT

The last time Rich Salz posted the list of rejected articles,
I did a quick survey of where they came from.  Several folks asked
that the survey get done along with Rich's list.  I've sent him
the relevant commands.  Here's the summary:

The following appear as the originating hosts of articles with
bad headers as reported from uunet.uu.net.  The number in the
first column indicates how many articles were listed.  Note that
the hostname is obtained by taking whatever is to the right
of the rightmost '@' in the message id field.

  78 consult.UUCP
  11 semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
  11 ndsenta.in-berlin.de
  11 3.10.7.22
   9 TRMETU.BITNET
   7 rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca
   7 compunet.uucp
   6 trebor.uucp
   6 drktowr.chi.il.us
   6 SAUPM00.BITNET
   5 sara.cc.utu.fi
   4 uci.edu
   4 nlbbs.UUCP
   3 walter.bellcore.com
   3 staff.tc.umn.edu
   3 nwnexus.WA.COM
   3 mars.lerc.nasa.gov
   3 isgood.
   3 hal.physics.wayne.edu
   3 csparc12.scs.leeds.ac.uk
   2 utdallas.edu
   2 underly.cc.nd.edu.
   2 sprint.com
   2 morgul.carleton.edu.
   2 bnr.ca
   2 arnold.decio.nd.edu.
   2 arkusinski.si.com.
   2 aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
   2 Xerox.com
   2 TREARN.BITNET
   2 LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
   2 .gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu.
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."
From: makey@VisiCom.COM (Jeff Makey)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: backups on the news partition
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:34:42 GMT
Organization: VisiCom Laboratories, Inc., San Diego, California

In article <C0oAAq.Bu2@acsu.buffalo.edu> pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham) writes:
>we backup our newspool and newslib just like most other partitions

Me too.  My 300Mb news disk contains nearly all news software and data
and is running about 60% full with my partial feed.  With five 1Gb
disks of "real" stuff on the network (each running above 90% full),
it's easier to keep news backed up than to make the effort to exclude it.

                           :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Disclaimer: All opinions are strictly those of the author.
    Domain: makey@VisiCom.COM    UUCP: nosc!visicom!makey
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: Re: backups on the news partition
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:35:14 GMT

In article <C0MAzp.Ap2@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <C0KKpo.63w@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills) writes:
>>I'm wondering how other news admins do backups on the news partitions?
>
>We don't.  The turnover is so high that it makes backups huge, and we
>can't see any good reason to back it up.  If we lose that filesystem,
>we'd just mkfs it and start from scratch.

I agree. If you have /var/spool/news as a separate partition, it should be
relatively easy to recover from a major failure by starting the news system
from scratch. After all, anything in there would have gotten deleted (expired)
sooner or later anyway... why bother? As far as backups/crashes are concerned,
there are a *LOT* worse things you can lose than the /var/spool/news dir.

>We do backup /usr/lib/news, although our history files are located
>elsewhere (in the news filesystem) so they don't get backed up.  The
>control files, like active and sys, are the things you really don't
>want to lose.  They're small and don't cost much to back up.

Same here, with the exception that we DO have the history file (physically)
in /usr/lib/news... not that it matters, since I suppose that they should get
nuked if you want to start over from scratch anyway.

Last time I had to re-do my news system from scratch was several months ago,
when some of my news files became corrupted. I used the opportunity to 
upgrade my system to the performance Cnews release. It just took one or two
days of intense catching-up, and stabilized back to the level where it was
before pretty quickly.
-- 
      Francisco X DeJesus  ----- S A I C -----  dejesus@chinalake.navy.mil
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with rec,soc, etc distribution?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:51:54 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <BETSYS.93Jan8183105@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>?>could some enlightened person please post a summary of what's wrong
>?>with these distributions (rec,soc,news) etc...
>
>?What do you think they accomplish?
>
>I had no idea...that's why I asked. I use gnus and it is using these
>as the suggested distribution when I reply. I guess we ought to tweak
>a gnus configuration file somewhere...

In this respect, gnus has its head up its...  Well, I suppose I should
be polite. :-)  Yes, please tweak.  Distributions like that are part of
the problem, not part of the solution.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.misc
Subject: Re: NetNews, a blueprint for survival
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:53:25 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin.misc
Organization: negligable

In article <1993Jan10.203719.15303@ssc.com> markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
:Henry Spencer (henry@zoo.toronto.edu) wrote:
:: >It would be an ironic shame if the anarchistic nature of the net created a
:: >situation where only the big guys could survive.  We little guys are
:: >fighting for our lives in the trenches.
:: 
:: Um, you should bear in mind that very few of the freeware authors get
:: paid for news work.  You too can join the illustrious ranks; all you
:: have to do is give up sleeping :-(.  There's a very old saying in the
:: freeware world:  "if you care about it so much, why don't *you* fix it?".
:
:Because there's always a promised new revision coming out Real
:Soon Now, and it would be a real pain to keep a parallel version
:up to date. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) 

Who's been promising you that?


		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.future,news.groups,news.misc,news.software.readers,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: NetNews, a blueprint for survival
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:18:53 -0800
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <1993Jan09.065942.20239@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>I'm surprised at all the "why hasn't this happened" stuff.  I wrote
>dynafeed and posted it to the comp.sources groups at least 2 years ago,
>and it was always free.   Frankly, I'm amazed that anybody can run
>a small leaf site without it.
[...[
As a leaf site, one has to rely on the upstream site.  If it isn't in
place there, what we do is immaterial, unfortunatley.

Dynafeed upstream would sure make my life easier.  Also would cut down
the size of my junk directory.

steve

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