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From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: More about George's Albert Hall concert
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:39:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.4356
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Apr6.130413.15896@syma.sussex.ac.uk> andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) writes:
<
<Yesterday, on a giant sound-stage at Shepperton film studios in
<Surrey, Harrison led his hastily assembled band through last-minute
<rehearsals. When the Press were admitted, the group was mid-way
<through a raucous version of the old Beatles number "Taxman", a
<protest song written in a different political era; younger members of
<tonight's audience may well be baffled by its references to a "Mr
<Wilson" and a "Mr Heath".

	Edward Heath seems to be alive and well, I frequently catch
him on C-SPAN.  Has changed very little since the 60s, amazingly.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision R&D, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jruiz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jose Ruiz)
Subject: BeatleTrivia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:47:59 GMT

     Another Trivia question for all you experts:

     What color are the cellophane flowers that are "towering over your head"?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: MHIRS00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Hirsh, Marc Bennett)
Subject: Re: The real fifth Beatle?
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.060351.4811@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
gaj1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (greg.jones) writes:

>I would like to know others opinions on who they thought was the
>Fifth Beatle.  My list would include:  Stuart, Pete Best, Billy
>Preston, or Eric Clapton.  I pick these people because each actually
>recorded with the Beatles while they were still a group.  Does any-
>one else have an opionion on this? 8-)

My money is personally on George Martin. He recorded with them, he produced
them, and he helped to guide them (and knew when not to). I don't think the
Beatles would have been half as great if they had another producer. Of course,
Brian Epstein is a close sixth.

Also, on the best/worst lyric list, my favorite lyric happens to be
  Close your eyes and I'll kiss you,
  Tomorrow I'll miss you
  Remember I'll always be true
  And while I'm away
  I'll write home every day
  And send all my loving to you.
To me, this says it all, and the fact that this was one of the first things
they ever recorded makes me that much more impressed that they were so
sophisticated already. I'm not really sure why I like it so much, but it's
damn poetic. ("And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"
is damn close, though.)

For the worst lyric, probably "quando paramucho mi amori te falice te adon," or
whatever Lennon sings. Not to say that I don't love "Sun King," but the fact
that it's not even a real language makes me a bit suspect that Lennon was just
desperate for lyrics.

Marc Hirsh

"I don't swear just for the hell of it. Language is a poor enough means
  of communication. I say we use all of the words we've got."
   ---snappy end-of-file sign-off quote from Inherit The Wind, which I've
         seen way too many times because my 21-year-old sister is in love with
         Gene Kelly

\ /
 ^  ---ugly red source of all evil celebrating with me that CLASSES ARE OVER!
 V

Say, have I told everybody that I saw U2 last Monday?
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Beatles (the dark side)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:13:21 GMT

In article <2219@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.205841.1635@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>>
>>Mary's death was a bit more abstract for the young Paul.  He internalized his
>>own pain tightly, only occasionally allowing it to the fore.  However, it was
>>always there.
>
>I'm sure that's true, but it's hard to get that feeling from Paul. 
>Especially when you read that one of the first things Paul said after her
>death was "What are we going to do without her money?" 

Perhaps, but Paul has *always* had a problem with death [despite the
intense love he expressed for his father, he could not make it to James
McCartney's funeral], and tended to express his pain as glib comments.
(eg: the infamous "It's a drag" statement of Lennon's death)  Further,
as far as the remaining McCartney's were concerned money *was* there
main priority without Mary. (But we are agreed that was not the right
time to say it though)

>I also think that Paul is still very much feeling the effect of John
>Lennon's death.  

No doubt about that.  It may have taken 8-9 years, but Paul finally seems
"comfortable" with not having a friend/competitor in Lennon.  I also think 
John's death has made Paul come to terms with his own mortality (witness the
dark tone of some of "Flowers in the Dirt"), and his feelings about his
parents death.  (The aforementioned Liverpool Oratorio) 

>However, in Paul's case, I think he is now trying to
>prove to himself and the world that *he* was the one.  Because John
>has become somewhat mythologized, he is unable to (at least in his own
>mind) overcome this hurdle.
>

not necessarily *THE one*, but he wants credit as *A PART*.  Lennon was
somewhat martyred post-1980, and Paul has been thrown somewhat into the
background.  This was particularly true in the case of the somewhat lightweight
albums "Pipes of Peace" and "Press to Play".  He simply wants his just due as
half of the greatest rock-n-roll songwriting team.

<ESC>


-- 
I want a short-haired girl (who) sometimes wears it twice as long
                                               -- George Harrison
From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BILL S. PRESTON, ESQ.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: maharishi
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

from what i recall, the beatles were not exactly enamoured
with the maharishi after their jaunt to india. needless to say,
i'm surprised to hear about good old george in cahoots with
the very same regarding that new political party in england.
anybody have a clue what gave him a change of heart? 

mike
(wow! it's finally sunny and warm in buffalo!)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: alb@irie.ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Anyone own the Japanese Imported Beatles CDs?
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 12:37:28 EST
Organization: UMCC



  Subject says it all. I would like to hear from anyone who owns
these pressings.

Al - alb@ais.org, alb%cod@aaaca1.sinet.slb.com
From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:54:33 HST
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

> (Brian Harvey) writes:
> I find this argument about John vs. Paul a little weird because to me the
> post-Beatle work of both John and Paul is disappointing.  

In general, I agree.

> I think there are at least four reasons for this:
> 1.  John and Paul needed each other both as helpers and as competitors.

Very true.

> 2.  Their work benefitted from *being Beatles* -- from the hype, the pressure,
>     the zillions of eager fans, all that. 

If that were true, we'd all be looking back and saying "I guess those songs
weren't so good after all".  Clearly, that's not the case.  Just give me
the HDN soundtrack and a pair of headphones and I'm on cloud 9.  The truly
great songs just keep getting better and better.
 
> 3.  I'm older now, and more cynical, and *nothing* excites me musically the
>     way it used to.  In particular, it's pretty clear that we aren't going to
>     overthrow the U.S. government by means of rock 'n' roll.

Yea, that's certainly true.  I'm 38, and I haven't heard much that excites
me in the last 20 years (with a few notable exceptions... early Blondie stuff
is great.  I think alot of Beatles fans might agree).
 
> 4.  Let's face it, 40-year-olds can't rock.  (Except maybe Ray Davies.)

Well, I wouldn't go THAT far.  Do you include Mick Jagger on that list?
Paul McCartney?  Keith Richards?  Stevie Ray Vaugne (sp?) (RIP).

(please don't say Neil Sedaka is over 40 and not rocking 'cause he never 
knew how to rock in the first place) 

> As for their Beatles work, I vote for whoever wrote "Can't Buy Me Love."

Paul. 

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From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles (the dark side)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:21:12 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <sfiv7INNher@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
>Death was in the air socially.

Gee, sounds like a mortician's convention! :-)


Sorry, I'll just go back to work now..... :-)

Bruce



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bad@sw.stratus.com              
508-460-2816
From: larson9627@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: RE: "Slippin' and Slidin'"
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:22:53 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

John Lennon recorded the song "Slippin' and Slidin'" in the mid-70's as part of
his album "Rock 'n' Roll", which was recorded because of legal troubles
stemming to plagerism in "Come Together".  The whole "Rock 'n' Roll" album is
songs from the '50's.  Listening to it, sometimes I like it, and sometimes it
seems too mellow for John.

Glenn Larson

larson9627@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: napier@sierra.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: What language...?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: napier@sierra.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department

In article <1992Apr11.164524.4985@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
br387@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason L. Pollack) writes:
|>
|>As I am new to r.m.b. I hope this isn't rehashing old threads, but--
|>
|>Does anyone know the meaning of 'Jai Guru Deva Om' from Across The
|>Universe or the meaning of 'Ah bowa kawa pousse pousse' from
|>#9 Dream?  Are these made up lyrics?
|>


Jai Guru Deva is Hindi. This phrase pays homage to a spiritual teacher. A
Hindi friend of mine translated it literally for me as follows -

Jai - literally "victory" or "win" but here means something more like "bring
       glory to"

Guru - literally "teacher"

Dev or Deva - a highly spiritual person (perhaps in the same vein as western
               cultures view saints)

Om - is a mantra, a sound you make either verbally or internally while 
      meditating

I assume Lennon picked this up from his studies with the Mahareshi. I was
involved with TM for awhile and we used to say Jai Guru Dev as an ending
homage,
almost in the same way you might say "Amen" in church even though the meaning
and intent are different. 

I'm kind of curious to know what prompted Lennon to include this phrase in
Across The Universe. It certainly fits in with the metaphysical imagery of
the song, but it also calls to mind the Beatles association with the Mahareshi,
which didn't end too happily. Doe anyone know of any direct quotes from John
on this subject?

Jim Napier
Systems Administration
Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
UC San Diego
jnapier@ucsd.edu


"...matches...candles...matches...candles...'n' buns"
From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon and the radical left
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:35:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: predator.1992Apr16.203548.1170
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

In article <61680031@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts) writes:
>
>>Why re-gurgitate the Lennon murder again, and again.  Is it all a sick
>>side effect of the "JFK" conspiracy-hunters?  Or is it an attempt to
>>martyr Lennon for the radical left, throwing more doubt at the unnamed
>>"them", and strengthen their claims on John?   When asked, John's
>>assasin vehemently denies any CIA coercion leading to the murder.  I
>>say, unless some solid evidence comes forward to indicate "programming",
>>let's leave it as is.
>
>
>There is a guy here in the Bay area who has repeatedly called into the
>talk show KGO claiming that Lennon's murder is a conspiracy involving
>the author Stephen King. He kept calling and calling, until they would
>no longer let him on the air. So then he would call and lie about what
>he wanted to talk about. When they put him on the air, he would go into
>his routine, and then be quickly cut off. Finally, KGO got a court order
>to stop him from calling altogether.
>
>I never learned the details of his theory, but it sounded pretty
>strange. Does anyone else know? I am rather curious.

When I was at Berkeley, you could often see this guy on the streets,
passing out flyers that claimed a conspiracy involving Nixon, (someone
else famous) and Stephen King. Each accompanied by a picture. The first
time a friend and I saw one of these, we just burst out laughing. I heard
the guy try to explain his theory to a few people on the street. Let's just
say that marbles were missing somewhere.

dap
-- 
===============================================================================
    David A. Pearlman

Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:38:51 HST
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

>>> 2.  Their work benefitted from *being Beatles* -- from the hype, the
>>>     pressure, the zillions of eager fans, all that. 
>>
>>If that were true, we'd all be looking back and saying "I guess those songs
>>weren't so good after all".  Clearly, that's not the case. 

> No, no, I didn't mean that our perception was affected by the hype.  I meant
> that *their* lives were so hectic and adrenaline-filled that it inspired
> their music in the direction of rocking hard.  Sort of the musical
> equivalent of Charles Dickens writing his books a-chapter-a-week to meet
> magazine deadlines.

Oh.  Yea, I can see that.  I'm sure that was part of it all.  Like the story
(I'm a little fuzzy on this) of John and Paul being told (by dick Lester, I
think) that they had to quickly come up with a title song for their first 
movie.  By the next morning, they called him in to hear the first run-through
of A Hard Day's Night.  Everyone performs better under a bit of pressure...
The Beatles seemed to thrive under it.  

But let's not forget the toll that all that intense pressure took.  The
recording contract demands, the touring, the radio and TV.  To me, it's
very understandable that they stopped touring when they did.  We should
all be glad that they didn't pack it all in then!

Speaking of songwriting pressure, that's where 'Only A Northern Song'
came from.  They were one short and George wrote it just to fulfill 
the contract... hence the title.  Not a great song, but still interesting
and a good example of the very experimental stage they were into at the 
time.
From: nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: 2 in 1: "Slippin' and Slidin'" and radio stations
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:35:01 GMT
Organization: Anal Retentive

In article <1992Apr16.190139.12543@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> rns@cheers.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert) writes:
>
>Recently Little Richard's "Slippin' And Slidin' (Peepin' And Hidin')" was
>the answer to one of the questions in a lyrics quiz in rec.games.trivia.
>This reminded me that I have heard (I think I have it on tape somewhere,
>probably taped from the radio) a Beatles cover of this song.  I have never
>seen it on any of their albums, and I couldn't find in Thomas Bowers'
>"'THE' COMPLETE BEATLES DISCOGRAPHY" that I saved some time ago.  Can
>someone tell me under what circumstances this song was recorded and whether
>or not it appears on an album?  Since you experts know everything there is
>to know about the Beatles, I don't expect this question to be too
>challenging.  Could this be on a bootleg (I don't know much about Beatles
>bootlegs)?  Would a radio station play a bootleg?
>
>The song I hear in my head (I haven't heard it in quite a while) sounds like
>John singing.
>
>-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)

I *think* this is on one of the CD's from _Live at the Star Club._
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. (Do I really need to ask? 
ha ha :-)  I actually haven't listened to them in a couple of months,
but I have heard the song, and I'm pretty sure it was John. If it's
not on there, it means I *did* hear it on the radio--there's a station
in Boston that has a "Beatle Brunch" every Sunday 11-1, and they do 
play bootlegs. It is WAY cool.

This makes me wonder: How many of y'all are near radio stations that
do this sort of thing? There is actually another on here that does 
something similar Sunday evenings. They have those Lennon interviews as
well. Do you guys enjoy it? I mean, do you find that your stations do
a good job? The ones here are decent. But back at my real home, (Ventnor,
NJ, 10 blocks from Atlantic City) the best we get is a "Beatle Break"
cosisting of 2 songs at 2 on weekdays. Sometimes you can pick up a
Philly station that does it from 10-12 on Sat. morning, but they are
boring, and I have written enough.

See you soon, respond quickly, (e-mail welcome), Happy Easter, be back
on Monday, bye-ya.

Steph


-- 
Stephanie Nahas            "I ate his liver with some fava beans
nahas1@husc.harvard.edu     and a nice Chiante. FTFTFTFTFTFT!" 
                                  --Hannibal Lechter
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: <none>
From: fenick1@husc8.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:01:46 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

in response to the best/worst original beatles lyrics query, the
answer to these types of questions changes all the time of course,
as if anyone can really answer the "what is your favorite beatles
song" question, but here are mine for today or so:

	1) worst beatles lyric (not that i don't like them but)
		a tie between the presents/peasant line already 
		quoted and "that her baby buys her things y'know, 
		he buys her diamond rings y'know"  which just seems
		to have been put in for convenience.  "out there" if
		someone attacked it, i would say that they were     
		talking about the materialism prevalent in society,
		but i have a hard time believing it myself.

	2) best beatles lyrics
		i would have said "the movement you need is on your
		shoulder" until i heard paul, in one of the best examples
		of macca-history-recreation talk about it on "48 hours"
		a year or two back.  interestingly enough, i have a  
		friend who quotes this every time he wants to disparage
		the beatles.
		for sheer punliness and neat fitting into a song?
		lady madonna,  for the repeat of "see how they run"
		right after the line about stockings.
		for george?  savory truffle...just fun.
 	but the best beatles lyrics of all time?  it's hard to seperate   
	the words from music, because they seem in most cases to be too
	important to each other.  i'd say "across the universe".  but  
	that is due to change any minute now.

sharon

i think bruce is too obcessed with the beatles too.
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Shared Vocals (was Re: Lennon/McCartney)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <740016@hpwrce.HP.COM> dennis@hpwrce.HP.COM (Dennis
Alstrand) writes:

>. . . John's intro verse (Sweet Loretta Fat she thought she was a cleaner,
>but she was a frying pan).

Fat?  "Sweet Loretta Fart"!  You must have a censored lyric sheet.

Joe Brennan
From: nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: BeatleTrivia
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:05:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr8.220528.10868
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr8.125737.20864@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jruiz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jose Ruiz) writes:
>
>     O.K.  Since you're all Beatle experts out there, answer this one:
>
>          How many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall?

I have two answers: 1) 4000, accoridng to "A Day In the Life"

		    2) As many as are in the Sea of Holes, according
		       to Jeremy of _Yellow Submarine_.

...I suddenly have a strange feeling I should have kept my fingers
   in check... *shrug!*

Steph

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From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The compleat Stones
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:43:53 PDT

In article <1992Apr4.171257.16677@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>In <1992Apr2.071800.19148@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>>In mid-1990 I was told by a member of the Rolling Stones that the
>>R'N'R Circus would be out by that Christmas.  It wasn't and still
>>isn't.  There are at this writing NO legally available releases.  The
>>Stones had re-seen it as part of the compilation of 25x5 and had been
>>impressed a the quality - in retrospect.  As indeed the excerpt in
>>25x5 shows.  (Thus 2 excerpts exist - the WHo and this one bit in
>>25x5).
>... what is a 25X5 btw?

Enthusiasts of British Invasion music, not to mention the Stones, will
enjoy this video biography of the group. "25x5" was produced by Andrew
Solt (the fellow who owns the rights to the Ed Sullivan shows) and is
a terrific documentary on the Stones. It's a little over two hours and
provides a nice counterpoint to the Beatles' video bio, "The Compleat
Beatles". It's distributed by CMV Enterprises, a division of CBS; I
bought my copy last year so I doubt it's out of print, but you might
check your local video store just to be sure.

--
"I get something in me head, you know, and all the
walls of Rome couldn't stop me."
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saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)