HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Say it ain't so!
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:52:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan24.205233.4614
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu

I just retook the Squid Test and by golly if I didn't gain a bit.  Then I       
thought with horror I might actually lose some hard earned points.  I           
just ordered my Aerostich suit and you only get 0.5 points for that,            
while full leathers is worth 2 points.                                          
                                                                                
OK troops, here's the question.  Once you have Squid Points, can you            
lose them?  What if you had painted your new Ducati a beautiful --neon          
pink-- and after a bit repainted it a dull, bland Italian racing red.           
Would you lose the points you earned with the original paint job.  After        
your 1992 Bikes-Babes-Bikinis calendar you get a 1993 Vintage bike              
calendar, do you lose points again.                                             
                                                                                
This could be awful.  An inquiring mind needs to know.                          
                                                                                
(For the record, I sent in a copy of the DoD Squid Test with my Rider           
Magazine questionnaire.  This could be interesting.)                            
                                                                                
Ride Free,                                                                      
                                                                                
Bill                                                                            
___________________________________________________________________             
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC  KotV KotRR                                
DoD #00314  AMA #580924   Squid Index 3.83   WMTC #0002  KotD #0001             
Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 and a Volvo.  What more could anyone ask?             
                                                                                
Who lives without folly is not so wise as he thinks.                            
                                                                                
                                         Duc de La Rochefoucauld                
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: V-TWINS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:04:50 GMT

In <espen.22.0@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no> espen@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (Epsonasjen) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.213819.17191@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
>>Subject: Re: V-TWINS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:38:19 GMT
>>In article <348.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>************************************************************************
>Espen Olsen				*       The future's so bright
>Norwegian Inst. of Technology		*       I gotta wear shades
>N-7034 Trondheim                        *       '74 VOLVO !!!
>E-mail: espen@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no	*	'57 Speed Twin
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  We will be buying a new house this spring and as my storage space
increases I feel the need to fill it up.
  
  I have a line on a 57 Thunderbird that apparently only needs
pistons/rings, valves/guides. 

  I'm quite comfortable with the unit motors but have no experience with
the older stuff. Can I get parts? The rods are supposedly different but I don't
understand how. What's the chance of finding a Nacelle for it? How bad
are the monoblocks?

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous








From: Chuck.Cole@f78.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Cole)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ST1100 info.?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:12:18 -0600

Hello Steve Bunis (doc@webrider.central.sun.com ),

In REC.MOTO on <Jan 19 23:19> to All, you wrote:

(re: used ST1100)..

 SB> The bike looks interesting, though I don't know how good a deal 
 SB> the price is.  I would like to get feedback from anyone 
 SB> familiar with this model.  I'm looking to be able to do long 
 SB> trips, but also to get around locally without feeling like 
 SB> I'm on a tank.

The price is high for getting similar age and better performance.  I've never
ridden nor seriously considered an ST1100 myself (partly because it is so very
heavy, and partly because I have no need or desire to replace my 1985 BMW K100RS
I bought a year old at $4,000).  One fellow who had recently traded his and his
wife's pair of matched Goldwings in for matched ST1100s (to do "sport touring",
of course), told me with great pride how sore his arms got from riding twisties
several hundred miles.  That tells me that he was either frozen in panic, or
that the bike steers like a cruiser (gross trail, heavy steering: finesse of a
hog).  I'm very sure that I would consider an ST1100 as sporty as a "honey
dipper's" tank truck with a half-full tank.
From: John.Hamilton@kennel.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: test
X-Sender: newtout 0.07 Jan  3 1993
Date: 21 Jan 93  09:46:00

Thursday January 21 1993 05:16, Richard Taylor wrote to All:

 >> Do you see any American football players not wearing a helmet?

 RT> Do you see motorcyclists trying to headbutt brick walls?
 RT> Repeatedly?  :-)

The Hurt report, and numerous other factual studies, indicate that indeed
motorcyclists have a marked tendency to "headbutt brick walls", be they in
the form of curbs, poles, or cars. "Repeatedly" has nothing to do with it,
we've all seen American football players loose their helmets and get injured.
Sports Illustrated gave away an "exciting" video with such scenes. It only
takes "Once" to do the damage.

John

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Add mailing list info to FAQ?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:58:02 GMT

I've been thinking of adding info on the motorcycle mailing lists to the
WitDoDFAQ. If the folks running the various lists think this is a good
idea, send me the relevant info, and I'll put a _short_ bit into the
DoD FAQ. Or if there's a lot of ground to cover, maybe a seperate
mailing list FAQ?

I've already got the Short Bike info, courtesy of Lisa & Elaine (in
fact, Lisa's suggestion is what got me thinking about it). Other lists
I'm aware of are:

Misc:
Racing
2-stroke
Euro
Harley

Rides/events:
Joust
GPNDG

Local areas:
Ogri (UK)
S.F. bay area
Wetleather (NW US)
Eastern US?

Others?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBR900RR
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:45:54 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1993Jan25.120014.21128@eua.ericsson.se> trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson) writes:

>In article uupcb@compdyn.questor.org, ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>> 
>	Think again!
>	New technology (GTS) is NEW, old technology (CBR) is, however refined. OLD.
>	Then, of course, if you want performance right now, you are free to choose
>	any bike you like, new or old!

>	The GTS and the CBR are of two different generations, the GTS is one of
>	of the first of its generation, and the CBR one of the last(?) of its
>	generation. That's it, a change of technology (GTS front suspension), that
>	undoubtedly will need some time to reach the same level of refinement 
>	as the conventional front suspension. Therefore it is understandable that
>	Yamaha chose to make the GTS the way it is.

>	In the not so far future though, I expect this new front suspension
>	will take biking to new heights of excitement, and I am also expecting 
>	the now not so far away two wheel drive (almost impossible with conventional
>	forks) to work wonders for my off-road riding!

>	

>	Anders Johansson

  Why fix it if it ain't broke?

The Yamaha apparently doesn't handle better than a conventional bike.
The ELF certainly had a shot and lots of development.

  An often reoccuring topic on rec.moto is the comfort level of one
bike versus another. Yamaha should have given us a version of the Morpho
(fully adjustable ergonomics) instead of the GTS. The GTS, the answer to
a question nobody asked.

  I'm not saying that the GTS front end won't develop into something
better, it's just that I haven't heard a lot of complaints about
conventional front ends. Many people have to find a compromise between
comfort and performance when choosing a bike and that's were I beleive
development should be invested. Can you imagine a car with seats that
don't adjust. Unheard of.


__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU (j hamilton)
Subject: Re: MSF Computer Challenge
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:29:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <C1F05B.DzI@world.std.com> artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) writes:
>bcd@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bryan Dunlap) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan22.213409.19258@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>
>>>The official release (1.00) of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
>>>Computer Challenge is complete.  This "trivial pursuit" style game is
>>>available from the MSF or by anonymous FTP from cerritos.edu.  The
>>>program and all associated files are in the .ZIP archive, SKILL.ZIP.
>
>>I had no luck ftp'ing it to a unix box - something broke the format of
>>the zip file between vms & unix.  So I ftp'd it to vms and then
>>kermited it onto my pc at home. 
>
>I did the same thing and ended up with a corrupted .ZIP file that the
>zipfix utility couldn't cope with. So, to add to the previous question:
>A) is the Source .ZIP file corrupted? Can someone who can compare the
>	file to a known-good one check?

No, it is not corrupted, the one I have unzipped fine.


>B) Other than ftping in binary mode, are there any VAX-ftp tricks one
>	has to know about t get the file home intact?

Can't tell you about other tricks, but I can say that typing BIN at 
the FTP> prompt was exactly what I needed to do to go from Cerritos
to my unix box, and then x-modem home to my pc.  

Before I did that, I got all the same errors of corrupted zip file etc.

>C) I've heard that files zipped with the latest and greatest version
>	of PKZIP use a different compression algorythm than earlier
>	versions (L&G is 2.0, I think -- most people use 1.10). Which
>	means that a 2.0 compressed file can't be opened with a 1.10 
>	utility. What version was the original SKILLS.ZIP zipped with?
>	Could this be the problem?

No, because a) the newest is compatible with 1.10 or
	    b) it was zipped with 1.10.  
Don't know which, but I unzipped it with 1.02, and it is fine...

Jay Hamilton                       XV1000 with more chrome than a HARLEY
hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu    Time to change the oil AGAIN?!?!?!?

>
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kiwi Cruising
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:17:06 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

> 
> What did I get? A beautiful 1986 Honda VF 500 F with 37000 km on it, new tires,
> new brake pads, thorough tune-up, from Honda City in Lower Hutt for NZ$38000!
                                                                       ^^^^^^^
I sure as hope that you meant $3800 NZ, not $38000 NZ !

> (The NZ dollar is worth about 0.55 of the US dollar, at the moment) It's
> perfect... the best bike I've ever owned, but then, I'm nowhere near being a
> rec.motorcycle.god. The store had a lot of other used bikes, a lot of them were
> in even better condition than mine, looked 'way sporty and cost
> NZ$4000-NZ$6000... I wasn't paying a lot of attention to model names: they're
> pretty different here. I'm certain that mine is essentially an Interceptor, but
> maybe with a slightly bigger frame (I'm 6').
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> John R. Manuel                                         srgpjrm@grv.grace.cri.nz
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: WANTED: '81 CB400T side covers & gas tank
Keywords: side covers
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:11:07 GMT

Hello all,

Anyone out there willing to sell both left and right side covers
to an 1981 CB400T?  I am also looking for a gas tank for the same
bike.  Color does *not* matter!  If you are please contact me.

Thanks in advance,
Rob C.

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wjp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.j.penschow)
Subject: Re: NYC Motorcycle Show
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:37:45 GMT

The NYC Motorcycle Show will be Feb. 5-7th this year.  I plan to be there on
Saturday the 6th from about noon to whenever. Any DoD types who wish to hook
up on that day are welcome.  I don't know if I will be riding or taking public
trans. yet so the meeting place should be inside the show itself I guess.


All opinions expressed herein are mine!  No one else would want them!

Pops Penschow ----- DoD #0079 ----- AT&T - QM&E ---- ...att!homxb!szuxr!wjp
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: Re: Its off to the basement we go: to Ben in florida
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:27:02 GMT

My mail bounced...



Hi Ben,

  I agree that moving anything that heavy in a directly vertical
movement without the use of a ramp is rather difficult.  I tried it
once with my RZ350 and managed to crush one of the volunteer's
fingers.  Ouch.  Never again.

  I'm attempting to rebuild what I can without removing the block 
from the frame.  So far I've:

 - removed all side panels, tank, rear plastic
 - rear taillight assembly.
 - air cleaner and carb assembly (float bowls, jet assembly, etc).
   Just a note if you want to try and do this.  Remove the 
   radiator and fan before you try this or you won't have
   any room to get them out.

I'm currently in the process of removing the exhaust pipes 
(front collector, rear pipes).  My front collector must be
replaced because it is dented and limiting the exhaust flow.
I would have had the pipes off last week, but I needed a 
universal joint on a ratchet to reach the left hand side
exhaust pipe joint off of the number 3 cylinder.  This is the 
worst part I'm sure. By the way, the front collector costs 
about $280 US.  I think I'll try to have them fixed first, but 
the job must be up to my standards (near perfect).

 - Once I move it into the house, I'll remove the front forks
and replace the front fork seals.  I'll also clean out
the anti-dive on the left side.

 - I'm replacing the seat cover. The old one craked in the -15
degree celcius temperature. 

 - I'm considering repainting the body parts, but I would have to
take it to a real good professional painter.  I hate crappy 
paint jobs on bikes.  

 - I'm going to do a compression test soon to see how the rings and
valves are.  By the way, once the carb assembly came out, I saw 
that checking the valve clearance on the number 1 and 3 cylinders
was going to be a piece of cake (as compared to the last time!).

 - replace the hoses. The bike is 9 years old. It's about time.

 -  dismantle/clean/repair brake system.  The front brakes need 
a going over, but the back brake could use a new rotor.  I'm 
going to look for one second hand since new it costs 284$(US). Ouch.


I also need to paint the frame in a couple of spots
where the paint chipped off and some rust has started. 
My work is never done!

  Mike Beavington  mbeaving@bnr.ca
From: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Luc Marcouiller)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Need info on EX500
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

In article bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com (Steven A. Bade) babbles:
|> sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) tells:
|> ]
|> ]The question was to compare the hp of the EX500 and the FZR600
|> ]Here goes:
|> ]	   stock       modified    weight
|> ]EX500       45 hp        65 hp      320 lb
|> ]FZR600      75           85         400 lb
|> ]
|> ]These numbers are from the top of my head, and should be pretty close.
|> ]They also represent real rear-wheel dyno numbers from my bikes, which
|> ]I will of course describe.  Stock means Stock.  The mods to the FZR
|> ]are supersport spec, ie, 5 angle valve job, muzzy pipe and dynojet kit.
|> ]The mods to the EX are extensive... 550cc, flowed head, larger valves,
|> ]cams, carbs, etc. (got 145mph at Daytona)  This is one of the fastest
|> ]EX500's in the country.
|> ]
|> ]The point is....  The FZR is more powerful, and definitely faster, than
|> ]the EX.  Handles much better.  MUCH MUCH better.  Get one.  (hell, get
|> ]one of each - or everything - for yourself and compare)
|> 
|> No its not much more powerful.  Based on your numbers the modified
|> bikes both have the identical power to weight ratios at 4:1.
|> 
|> The stockers have 7:1 and 5:1 power to weight ratios respectivly.  
|> 
|> Comparing your race preped bikes in this manner the mitigating
|> factor would probably be handling and rider ability.  Sure in stock
|> from the FZR is more powerful.
|> 
mmmm... seems to me that you missed something here like maybe air drag!
If you drove different categories of bike it's kind of obvious:

 - at low speeds: low drag, high acceleration force thus the limiting factor
   is weight to hp
 - at high speeds: high drag (depends on aerodynamics: quite close in this
   case), lower acceleration force (same work done thought) thus the limiting
   factor is drag to hp.

Which means, for the physics impaired, that from let's say 40 mph the 30 hp
bonus will give the FZR a real edge (neglecting other factors).  Haven't you
never noticed that a light standard 650 will almost outperform a big bore
sport-tourer in city streets while it's the complete opposite on the highway!

Share and Enjoy

Luc 
-- 
   Luc Marcouiller,                  Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec,
   Ninja 900, Nighthawk 650          marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: That T2 motorcycle jump... Not real, just magic
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:38:08 GMT
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


	For the doubters who still think the T2 jump was real, pick up a
copy of the book, The Making of Terminator II". It shows in detail exactly
how it was done, and yes it did use the "wire removal" process that others
have mentioned. 

	Geeze..are people really that shallow to think that you could jump
a Harley off an overpass down 20 feet or so without it breaking? Me thinks
Super Bob Wide Fat Glides aren't really built to handle such abuse...A
CR500? Maaayybe.....

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
From: sreeb@crash.cts.com (Ed Beers)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: boots for narrow feet
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:17:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Does anybody make boots for people with narrow feet.  I would like
a 9 1/2 B.  A 9C or 9D is too short to walk in. A 9 1/2C which is 
cut narrow might be possible.  10s are out of the question.  Nobody
local has anything.  I'm interested to boots designed for motorcycle
use.

Thanks in advance.
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 2-Cylinder Honda 500?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:14:53 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1993Jan22.092113.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>In 1978 or so, was there a 2-cylinder Honda 500 or 550 (or something close?)
>
>If so, what was it, and were they anything interesting?
>
   Yes, the CB500T.  It was essentially a CB450 with a stroker crank.
They're not much more interesting than a CB450, except to vintage racers
(like myself) who covet the extra 50cc's and the 5-speed gearbox.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: npet@bnr.ca (Neil Harrington)
Subject: Re: lane splitting/sharing poll
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:22:34 GMT

Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
: In article <4585@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
: }(BTW I really don't condone emergency lane usage - and I don't do it anymore!)

: The traffic folks around D.C. certainly do -- during rush hour the *only*
: breakdown lane is a posted legal traffic lane.

: Obmoto: It was raining AGAIN this morning! I don't fancy taking shiny
: [slick] new Metzelers out on a rainy day for their first run. Will this
: deluge never stop? And still one of our local reservoirs is less than
: 20% full.
: -- 
: Curtis "Wimp" Jackson.  Fairweather Rider.

: "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cor!  What a WIMP!

Get out there man.  Just find a nice road and lock up the rear wheel a few
times, that'll soon take the shine off of your tyre.


Nick (the Weathered Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Dunlop rear tyre(!)


M'Lud.