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From: leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Holland has only 3 good teams, bullshit!
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:35:32 GMT
Reply-To: leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <GREVE.92Nov12092041@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP> greve@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP (Ron Greve) writes:
>... I am already looking forward for Vitesse - Real Madrid.
>
>I already can't count anymore how often they 'stole' points from
>the top 3 teams in Holland the past 3.5 years. At least I remember
>they defeated both Ajax and PSV once in their own stadium.
>Conclusion: Holland has only 3 good teams, bullshit!!!
>

O.K, we must apologise.  Formal amendment coming up :
Holland has only 4 good teams!  Now, I'm damn impressed with your league!  :-)

>	Q: Why do I like eating lemons in night?
>	A: Because Vitesse Arnhem plays in yellow and black!

Ha.....         ha.....             ha......
That .sig proves Dutch humour is going through a bit of a bad patch lately!
                               :-)
Q: Why do Wolves fans throw up over their shirts when they get drunk ?
A: It's a lot cheaper than buying a Wolves kit! 
(No offense meant)

Mig.
From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Cup Results for Italian Teams (2nd Round - 2nd Leg: Nov 4 Games)
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:19:05 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

All games played Wednesday, November 4, 1992:


			European Champions' Cup
			Second Round - Second Leg

AC Milan (Italy)	4	Slovan Bratislava (Czechoslovakia)	0

    AC Milan advance on aggregate (5-0).


AC Milan become one of the 8 teams to advance to the quarter-finals
after defeating Slovan Bratislava 4-0 at home thanks to goals by
Boban, Rijkaard, Simone, and Papin, the latter desperately trying to
score on many occasions. Slovan had a few good scoring chances also,
but a couple of dangerous shot were promptly stopped by Antognoli.



			Cup Winner's Cup
		    Second Round - Second Leg

Boavista (Portugal)		0	Parma (Italy)		2

    Parma advance on aggregate (2-0).


After a disappointing scoreless draw at home, Parma obtained a 2-0
away victory which qualify them for the quarter-finals of the Cup
Winners' Cup.



			   UEFA Cup
		    Second Round - Second Leg

Grasshoppers (Switzerland)	4	Roma (Italy)		3

    Roma advance on aggregate (6-4).


Despite losing this match, Roma still advances to the 1/8th finals of
the UEFA Cup thanks to their 3-0 win at home 2 weeks ago. Roma was by
two goals, both scored by Rizzitelli, before the Swiss woke-up and
gave Roma a very hard time. Roma's Caniggia added another goal before
the final whistle, allowing Roma to go through on aggregate.



Panathinaikos (Greece)		0	Juventus (Italy)	0

    Juve advance on aggregate (1-0).


Juve played a very defensive match, with the hope that their one goal
lead from the first leg would hold up. This tactic ended up paying off
as Juve advances to the next round of the UEFA Cup. The Italians
seldom ventured outside their half of the field, and relied on fast
counter-attacks to catch their opponents off guard.



Paris St-Germain (France)	0	Napoli (Italy)		0

    PSG advance on aggregate (2-0).


Despite a very strong effort by Napoli playing away in Paris, they
were unable to reverse the 2-0 home loss from two weeks ago, which
therefore sees PSG going through to the next round. Napoli gave it
everything they had, but this was only good enough to obtain a
scoreless away draw.


So, after these matches, 4 of the 5 Italian teams which played
yesterday, advance to the next round of Cups. The 6th team, Torino,
will try to reverse their 1-2 home loss in Moscow later today...


Marco...
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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: england, italy and rangers
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:44:33 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



     I'm sick and tired of mostly english people saying the english league is
the best in the world. Who are they trying to kid? The italian league or
'serie a' as it is called has:
                             1- better players
                             2- better teams
                             3- bigger crowds
                             4- better grounds
                             5- better organisation

    For Alcoholics Anonymous' most famous success Jimmy Greaves to say that it
is the best in the world shows just how small-minded him and his moaning pals
are. Do statements like:
                       our league is the best in the world
                       we'll win the european championships in sweden
                       we have a good chance of winning the world cup
show this guy to be sane?
i don't think so.
As to the 'battle of britain' match i wanted rangers to make it but only
because i hoped they would get AC in the next round and then we'd see just
how mediocre they are in europe. Why should non-rangers fans want them to win?
Most of their players are english and their fans seem to think they're from
Northern Ireland, so they can't really expect us to support them because they
are scottish. Hope you get stuffed in the league section lads!!

                       <<-- axel -->>  (dundee fan)
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From: cap@cbnews.cb.att.com (carlos.r.armas)
Subject: Re: Soccer in USA 94
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:11:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.145439.17635@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>Tommy Che Vorst (tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
>: For some time now, the WCup organisers in the US have been whining about
>: field and goal sizes, offside rules, turf vs grass.  This patently american,
>: "well, we're the USA so we'll do it our way" attitude has become so
>: intolerable, that FIFA is seriously considering pulling the tournament out
>: and moving it elsewhere - where the sport of football comes first,
>: hopefully.  Rumour has it (and how's this for p.r.?) that the new ,
>: unified Germany will be best able to prepare on short notice.  I'm only
>: disappointed because I would go, were the games in the US.  Way to go, yanks.
>: 
>
>What an incredible clown!!!!!
>
>Andy B
>
     1  It is about time that FIFA take a stand on this. The USA should
     2  blend into the soccer "tradition", not the other way around.
     3  Just because USA is a super-power (in all aspects) the world
     4  of soccer should not bend-over.
     5  
     6  I say lets move the tournament to Germany... I wouldn't be 
     7  able to attend any of the games, but at least I won't be so
     8  frustrated.
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Villa vs Man-u-Shited
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:56:52 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
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jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <gexerCm00WBLM3CJRL@andrew.cmu.edu>, am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
> > 
> > This weekend Manchester United is playing Aston Villa away.  Does anyone
> > know what the odds are that Manchester United will win?  
> 
>  - as much chance as Bush has in the U.S elections, 
>    or Tony "only drink when you're driving" Adams has
>    of becoming English captain.
>     
>     i.e  BUGGER ALL CHANCE MATE!!!
> 
>  ..... unless "smart" Alex Fergie breaks into the Villa dressing room &
> slips some sleeping tablets into Villa's teapot (& Paul "GOD" McGrath's
> beer)...... and THEN with Villa's defence sleeping maybe, just maybe,
> U-shited could sneak a goal (provided it doesn't fall to Mark "miss it" 
> Hughes...)!!!!!!!
> 
>  Jim "unbiased" Halsey

This proves the theory that 'ooray 'enrys know f**k all about football!

Dave "working class an proud of it son" Parry
(nothing like a bit of class politics to 'stir the pot' so to speak :) :) )

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Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 10:15:23 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Fwd: NEVER SAY GOAL
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Hi everyone ! Here are highlights from "Mai dire goal", related to week 8
>of the Italian league, as usual forwarded from my Italian account. Enjoy...
>
[One of the best regular postings to r.s.s. deleted -- mille grazie, Saverio!]

>MISCELLANEOUS THINGS
>The Gialappas showed highlights of an old EuroCup match (early 70's, I
>think). It was a British team (Wolverhampton ?) vs. a Dutch team. The
>Dutchmen scored 3 (yes, three !) own goals !!! But the funniest scene was
>after the first o.g., when the British forward went to congratulate the
>desperate Dutch defender...
>
The Dutch team was FC Den Haag, I think the English team was West Ham United
(not completely sure, think it was 74/75 or so, too long ago for me to
remember clearly).

Ciao,
Karel
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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Greece:Hungary on North American Satellite?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:14:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone know whether the Greece : Hungary world cup group match
will be telecast to North America via satellite on Wednesday?

If so, could you provide the time and transponder? I believe Athens
is 7 hours ahead of East Coast time in the US.

Thanks, Chris

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Re: The Bright Side of Life ?....
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:31:00 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <27941@castle.ed.ac.uk> eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
>
>better players next season, when (hopefully) a fresh European campaign
>is started and (hopefully) lasts a bit longer.

Ewes had better get the grease out for the hinges on that back door as
Rangers progress in the Champions Cup will mean that we will probably gain
another place in the UEFA Cup.

>     I suppose Saturday's Old Firm tie had an air of inevitability about
>it. For 85% of the game, Celtic were the better side, but Rangers dug in
>and held them out. It was the same scenario in the Scottish Cup
>semi-final in March and indeed, in every Old Firm in 1992, Celtic have
>been the more fluent football side but have only a single win, a single
>draw and three defeats to show for it.

I suppose that's one way to look at it but surely it is no conincidence that
the better side won three games in 1992 and let the other side off the hook in
another.

>In a perverse way I would have 
>rathered that Rangers had cruised to victory and really were as superior
>to Celtic as Chick Young and Gerry McNee keep telling us. But the manner
>in which Celtic laid siege to Rangers' goal, the number of talented 
>players at Liam Brady's disposal always keeps you on edge. Since the
>start of the season Celtic have looked like a great side about to
>happen, but we're still waiting.

You had to wait 86 minutes last night at Tannadice for your equaliser. We
have already won 3-2 and 4-0 nil there this season. And what talented
players, Shitey Galloway, Gary Gillespise, Adonis.....

>     I should also add that Rangers also played very well on Saturday
>and contributed to what was I think, the best Old Firm footballing
>match, I've ever attended.

Even though we won, the match was crap.

>     Revised league forecast,
>
>1. Rangers   2. Celtic   3. Aberdeen   4. Hearts     
>5. Dundee U  6. Hibernian 7. St Johnstone  8. Falkirk
>9. Partick T 10. Dundee 11. Motherwell 12. Aidrie

Easy to change now isn't it. What has happened to "the best side in Scotland"?
It's only November yet you realise the futility of Celtic's title challenge.


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From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Premier Division results - Sat Nov 7th
Keywords: Arsenal, Arsenal, top of the league
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:30:41 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Nov7.191839.22117@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:

>
>ASTON VILLA  1  MAN UNITED 0
>I didn't catch the scorer for the Rastan Scumbags.

 Dalen Atkinson (sp?)






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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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Subject: Re: England, Italy and Rangers
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:54 +0000







In article <1992Nov10.134434.1223@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk

> stuff about why the Italian league is the best in the world deleted ...

>As to the 'battle of britain' match i wanted rangers to make it but only
>because i hoped they would get AC in the next round and then we'd see just
>how mediocre they are in europe.

Mediocre compared to AC Milan, yes, still the best Scotland and Britain have
to offer.

>Why should non-rangers fans want them to win?

So you can enjoy seeing AC Milan thrash them?

>Most of their players are english

Gary Stevens (long-term injury), Trever Steven (usually injured), Dale Gordon
(who's crap) and Mark Hateley (who scored Rangers 100th goal in the European
Cup). That makes 4 Englishmen at Ibrox, with no more than 2 usually in the
first team at any one time. Against Leeds there were 9 Scots starting both
games. (Yes, I know Goram and McCall were brought up in England, that doesn't
make them English).

> and their fans seem to think they're from Northern Ireland,

Just like all Celtic fans think they're from the Republic of Ireland?

>so they can't really expect us to support them because they
>are scottish. Hope you get stuffed in the league section lads!!

Keep hoping, maybe one day Dundee (who?) will be good enough to play in the
league section. 

>                       <<-- axel -->>  (dundee fan)

Methinks really a Forfar fan (as in a Loon).

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From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Re: Spanish Div.2 League
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.133757.388@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...) writes:
|> 
|> Here we go!:
|> 
|> 
|> Sestao - Real Madrid B : 0 4
|> Majorca - Compostela   : 2 0
|> Lugo - Badajoz         : 0 2
|> Bilbao Atl. - Castellon: 2 0
|> Valladolid - Sabadel   : 1 0
|> Palamos - Figueras     : 1 0
|> Melida - Betis         : 0 0
|> LLeida - Eibar         : 3 1
|> Vila-real - Santander  : 2 0
|> Barcelona B - Marbella : 1 0
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Table:
|> 
|>     TEAM            POINTS
|>     ----            ------
|> 1.  Lleida           17
|> 2.  Santander        15
|> 3.  Majorca          14
|> 4.  Castellon        13
|> 5.  Barcelona B      12
|>     Real Madrid B    12
|>     Marbella         12
|> 8.  Betis            11
|>     Valladolid       11
|> 10. Badajos          10
|>     Vila-real        10
|> 12. Melida            9
|> 13. Bilbao Atl.       8 ***
|>     Sabadel           8
|> 15. Palamos           7
|>     Compostela        7
|>     Sestao            7
|> 18. Lugo              6
|>     Figueras          6
|> 20. Eibar             5
|> 
|> 
|> ***: Last week's Bilbao Atl. points total was 7 according to the REE guys.
|>      This week, despite their win, they have a total of 8 points, again
|>      according to the REE guys. Something is definitely wrong here!
|>      I probably screwed up. I guess I didn't hear them right.
|>      So, can anybody tell me what is the correct points total for
|>      Bilbao Atl.? Is it 8 or 9? Thanks.
|> 
|>

Well, since there can only be an even number of teams with an odd
number of points when two points are given for a win, Bilbao Athletic
must have only 8 points!
 
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timo.
From: hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema)
Subject: Dutch teams in Europe (or: Romario! Romario! Romario!)
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:48:36 GMT

And here are the results of the Dutch teams in the European Cups.

The Champions Cup (EC I):

	Philips SV (PSV) - AEK Athens	3 - 0
	 1-0 Romario
	 2-0 Romario
	 3-0 Romario
	Man of the match: Romario (no suprise here)
	Philips SV advances 3-1 on aggregate.

Teams left in the Champions League (split up the way I'd like it):
	Porto 			Milan
	Rangers 		IFK Goteborg
	CSKA Moscow 		Olympique Marseille 
	Club Brugge		Philips SV
(Friday 12:00 CET we'll know how the groups really look like)


The Cup-winners Cup (EC II):

	Feijenoord - FC Luzern  4 - 1
	 1-0 Taument
	 1-1 Nadig (?)
	 2-1 Blinker
	 3-1 Kiprich
	 4-1 Kiprich (pen)
	Man of the match: Reggi Blinker 
	Feijenoord advances 4-2 on aggregate.


The Runners-up Cup (UEFA CUP):

	KV Mechelen - Vitesse  0-1
	 0-1 Cocu
	Man of the match: Philip Cocu
	Vitesse advances 2-0 on aggregate


	Ajax - Vitoria Guimaraes  2-1
	 1-0 Bergkamp
	 1-1 ?
	 2-1 Alflen
	Man of the match: none.
	Unlike the other games where a Dutch team was involved, this was
	a boring one.
	Ajax advances 5-1 on aggregate.


Four Dutch teams have survived both the first and second round of the European
Cup. That hasn't happened since 1974, when Ajax, PSV, Twente and (the late)
FC Amsterdam managed to qualify for the third round. 
Belgium, Italy and the Netherlands are the only countries with four teams left.
Spain, France and Russia have three teams playing the third round.
Germany has only two teams left. European Champions Denmark had three teams
in the second round, none of those advances. And England ... :) ;) :).

mazzel..
eelco
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Subject: Souness
Reply-To: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:03:09 GMT

In article <vghinds.721318065@unix1.tcd.ie>, vghinds@unix1.tcd.ie (valerian gareth hinds) writes:
>Why does everyone hate Graeme Souness. OK, so he has a very odd
>moustache and he's Scottish, but why the hysteria? He's done a great
>job, is loved by players, fans, board and girlfriend alike, and only
>made a few tiny tiny mistakes, such as...em....selling Steve Staunton,
>buying Paul Stewart for 2.3 million, blabbing to the Sun, selling Dean
>Saunders, buying Istvan Kozma (who?), selling Ray Houghton, selling
>Steve McMahon, pretending T. Piechnik was worth half a million, and over
>training his players. In 2 years he has reduced Liverpool from riches to
>rags, but it's not his fault. Blame John Major - everybody else does...
>
>P.S. Isn't it a coincidence that Liverpool's demise has occurred at the
>same time as a world recession? 

I don't hate Souness because he's Scottish, or because he has a silly facial
growth, I dislike him because he was an animal as a player. He maimed more
players in my opinion than anyone else I can remember seeing play (and
I can go back to the mid-late 60's:-). I remember him breaking 3 players
legs in the space of about 3 monthes. Siggi Johnson was one, Martin O'Neill
was another, the other I forget. Plenty of players are 'dirty' ie they
trip, pull shirts, feign injury etc, but its very rare to see a player
launch into the tackle with a deliberate aim of damaging an opponent.
Souness frequently seemed to have this intention, and thats why I dislike
him (hates a bit of strong word).  O'Neill still walks with a limp today
as a result of Souness's tackle. Personally I hope he stays at Anfield
and continues the decline.

Cheers - Ian 

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