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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:50:38 GMT

In <exuptr.730.0@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Sunbird a la 400ci) writes:

>In article <1993Jan17.172507.26087@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
>>Subject: Re: Repost from alt.beer(Beer laws in Texas)
>>Date: 17 Jan 93 17:25:07 GMT

>>In article <exuptr.632.0@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan12.132911.6207@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>
>>>>The PERSON DRINKING ought to be responsible if they place themselves
>>>>behind the wheel of a car.  
>>>
>>>>Hell, why not hold the auto manufacturer
>>>>responsible (for providing the car), the highway department
>>>>responsible (for providing the road), etc.?
>>>
>>>Because the presumption is that they did not see him leaving the bar drunk 
>>>with his car keys in his hand.

>>And just why is the presumption that the BARTENDER saw him do this?

>Well if he didn't, then there is nothing he could've done.  That would just 
>have to be taken into account.

>>So far as
>>I know, this 'presumption' you cite has nothing to do with the legal
>>basis for holding bartenders or party givers responsible for people
>>who get drunk at their party and then drive.  Do you have a legal
>>citation otherwise?

>You're so worried about legalities you'll never save anyone, Fred.

And you're so unconcerned about them that the price you'll pay, even
if you do manage to save someone, will eventually prove itself to be
much to high.  This has happened EVERY time we've fiddled with freedom
"for good cause".  I think it would be refreshing if people would
learn from that and exercise a little foresight for a change, but I
guess that's too much to suspect.

So we'll go right on doing things like segregating and discriminating
against blacks, rounding up groups and putting them in camps, having
McCarthyite hearings, and all the rest of it, simply because people
refuse to learn from past experiences.

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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Caller ID: repost from comp.dcom.privacy
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:32:37 CDT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1993Jan20.143336.7662@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> EXACTLY.  And at least it sounds like they did it correctly, with a
> FREE option to 'opt out' of sending Caller ID.  The only problem I see
> with that system is knowing whether the default behaviour of the phone
> you're currently using is to send or not send Caller ID, so you know
> whether to hit the damned extra buttons or not.

	Different codes?  *67 to disable sending number, *76 to send out
number.  You can assume the owner of the phone has their prefered default and
punch no codes, or assume the phone is opposite of what you want and punch it.

> Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:42:25 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <C19oH8.1481@austin.ibm.com>, johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.090439.17022@montagar.com>, davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
> |>                 He has already said that he will not be able to reduce the
> |> deficit by 50%.
> 
> You can count this promise broken if the deficit is not half of what it is
> today on January 20, 1997.  Not until then.

	Does IBM work like that too?  If your engineers say that you will
not produce something in such-n-such a time, you wait until delivery to
tell your customers?  No wonder you had layoffs.

	Slick has already stated that he will not be able to reduce the
deficit like he said he would.  He didn't say he would try, anyway.  He has
dropped his promise, and shows no intention about keeping it.

> Remember, he's "slick" Willie.  He said he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle
> class TO PAY FOR HIS NEW PROGRAMS.

	So slick that he's gotten you fooled, too?  You see, you use increased
taxes to pay for the deficit...  that got bigger because of new programs...
Either way, our taxes go to pay for those new programs.  Besides, he *HAS*
stated that he would not raise taxes on the middle class.  Period.  But it
tended to be dependent upon the phase of the moon, and class of people he was
talking to.

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Montagar Software Concepts              |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Colorado get Caller ID.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:30:58 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

In article <1993Jan20.142738.3767@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|> >First of all, privacy is not a right.  We've done that one a million times.
|> And as we're all aware, the Supreme Court stands in disagreement to
|> the folks here who say it isn't.

Don't be so sure about that.  Not the current Supreme Court anyway.

|> Gee, if you don't want to be subject to random and capricious
|> searches, don't go outside -- oh, yes, and if you don't want your home
|> searched capriciously and without probably cause or a warrant, why
|> simply don't have a home.

This is just silly.  There's nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing you the
"right" to make anonymous phone calls.

|> Conversely, why should you be able to make ME pay in either money or
|> convenience so as to keep from providing YOU with MY number when I
|> call.

If I am the phone company, I can charge you whatever I want for whatever reason
I want.  If you don't like it, then disconnect the damn phone.

|> Funny how all those principles about how poeple should pay for their
|> own stuff change when it's something YOU want.

The "stuff" I would be paying for is the CNI information.  The "stuff" you
would be paying for is the service to block that information automatically.
Both "stuff"s have value to the respective customers.  We're BOTH paying for
the "stuff" that we want.

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'loony', merely because I have a pet
 halibut?"
From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Population growth (was Re: Social Security
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:19:13 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin

In article <1993Jan16.160643.16406@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.184203.36045@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>>I don't think so.  The average number of children per family is down to 0.96
>>and has been decreasing steadily.
>
>This fails to explain why the population of the country continues to
>increase.

1) Immigration
2) I'm not sure if John I's stat was completely true - I thought it was
around 0.9x for college educated women and > 2.x for other women with
an average of a little > 2.x.  It's been a while since I took the
women's studies class where I learned this.

Brendan
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Internet: bboerner@novell.com     \  Please use either if replying
   or  Brendan_Boerner@novell.com /  by mail exterior to Novell.
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Caller ID: repost from comp.dcom.privacy
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:42:04 CDT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <C16HLE.1G84@austin.ibm.com>, johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> In article <C14KH9.zr5@austin.ibm.com>, dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman) quotes scott@cs.rochester.edu:
> What's amazing is that he doesn't realize that your name, address, and telephone
> number are ALREADY on a gazillion marketing lists.

	True, but the lists are very general.  New technology could allow the
lists to get more specific.  I don't need to be pigeoned into a smaller hole.

> That's why SW Bell wants to offer the option of displaying the name that's 
> associated with the calling number.

	Which may not tell you WHO it really is, unless all your friends are
unmarried or each spouse has a private line.

> |> Call a movie theater for show times, and within a few days you may begin to
> |> receive junk mail and phone calls inviting you to join a video-of-the-month
> |> club.  Call a bank or broker to check on interest rates and you may begin to
> |> receive cold calls from financial advisors.  Call any sort of specialty shop
> |> (toy store, gun shop, pro shop -- even a fancy restaurant) and you're likely
> |> to find yourself on yet another marketing list.
> 
> But Caller-ID also gives you the information you need to ignore these calls
> when they come in.

	But then I have to BUY the stupid box.  I'd rather avoid getting on
the lists in the first place, rather than have to play stupid duck-and-dodge
games with them.

>                 As for the sales drones, they are going to call you anyway.

	And I will greaty enjoy taking up their valuable time letting them
talk while I'm reading news, watching TV, etc...

> People who don't buy things don't stay on marketing lists very long.

	Neither do I, appearently...

> |>     These lists are very big business.
> Yes, and this has been going on ever since computers were invented.  It has 
> nothing to do with caller ID.

	and should be enhanced even more with the advent of new technology,
right?

> Fine.  They don't have to subscribe.

	Just a question:  Are you going to subscribe?

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P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
Newsgroups: tx.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: equality of opportunity  (was: Re: State Income Tax)
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:37:12 GMT

In article <C16GDv.11w2@austin.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.142207.1325@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>That's fine, but your whole position is based on giving vouchers to people who
>DON'T pay the tax bill.  Choice is especially great when somebody else pays the
>bill.

Good, now write me a check for $1,200 so you can pay my school tax bill.
Until then, quit saying that taxpayers shouldn't have choice.

>But how many students do they expel?  This is key.  Students who are disruptive
>or beneath some standard of performance don't stay around.  Also the fact that
>there is a tuition selects for motivated students and parents.  The public
>school system is forced by law to put up with a lot of students who just don't
>give a damn.

Oh please.

Many catholic schools take kids FOR FREE!  In New Orleans, there are many
"disadvantaged" kids in catholic schools.  A close friend of mine, a black
woman I met in college, attended catholic schools while her mother was on
welfare.  This is NOT unusual.  Wouldn't it have been much better if the
school got the money that was instead given to public schools so it could
let MORE of these students in?

>|> Is there some study which proves this claim?  Everything that Curt Finch
>|> has ever posted on the subject of school choice flies in the face of this.
>
>I read it in the American-Statesman.  Somebody somewhere did a survey.  Yeah,
>I know, I have to start cutting these things out when I read them.

Since Curt posts lots of stuff with lots of references, I tend to believe
what Curt posts.
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The DDT ban has killed more Africans than the AIDS epidemic.  Legalize DDT now.
From: wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: CFC's and the ozone layer
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:15:52 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <y-Fks*wB1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.143547.16637@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:
>> Might I suggest a brief course in wind patterns, Jim?  Briefly, CFCs
>> are relatively stable compounds.  That means they hang around a long
>> time.  There is a large cold pool of relatively still air over the
>> South Pole, particularly at certain times of the year.  Hence, CFCs
>> migrate to that area, breaking down the ozone in that area.  This is
...

>Gee Fred, it is cold at the NORTH pole too!  It is cold in Canada and Siberia.

>Get a life.

Jim, I know this may come as a horrible shock, but

IT'S MUCH COLDER IN THE ANTARCTIC THAN ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD.

But as a side note; there's no evidence that CFC's "migrate" to the
poles in any preferential way; they diffuse and blow around the
atmosphere like any other gases. Right now it's believed that the
extreme cold of the Antarctic high altitudes facilitates reactions
unique to that region; that's what makes the hole. Other areas (North
Pole, Siberia, whatever) aren't nearly cold enough.




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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:08:32 GMT

In article <vGFks*vB1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.142931.16131@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:
>
>> Because I prefer to wait until they DO it before I claim they've done
>
>Clinton's intentions are clear from his statements and those of his appointees.
>Since you are too slow to figure that out, you'll just have to wait until
>enough of the neurons in your "brain" actually fire off so that you figure
>it out.

And this is the same Jim Pritchett who whines and cries about how
people are making personal attacks on him.  Geez, Jim, buy a clue
someplace.  You've become incredibly stupid and boring, even for you. 

>
>> it, Jim.  It's called 'reality', as opposed to seeing things based on
>
>Gee Fred.  You can use the word 'reality', when are you going to learn what
>it means?

Well, I know enough about what it is to know that it doesn't apply to
anything Jim Pritchet says.  Hell, I'm still not convinced that a real
person can be as shallow as you are, Jim.

>
>I'm tired of wasting time responding to the stupid things you make up about
>me, so I think I'll just let you have the last word for now.

And I, of course, will take it, despite your childish and sophomoric
attempt to foreclose it.

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:07:56 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <xTols*uC1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.185610.21631@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

>> In article <1993Jan21.090439.17022@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>> >	I just hope that you use that same critical eye on Slick as you did
>> >on Bush.
>> 
>> I am and will.  Pity you don't seem to be able to manage the same
>> apologist and uncritical support.

>We are waiting Fred.  So far, you have been a 100% supporter of Clinton.  No
>matter how obvious Clinton's lies were, you have supported his version and
>his excuses.  So, where is this "critical eye" that you claim to have for him?

Well, do us all a favor, Jim.  Hold your breath waiting.

>> Yes, and it helps that the Bush Administration 'discovered' tens of
>> billions of dollars that they somehow managed to 'miss' mentioning
>> before, too.

>Out of how many TRILLIONS in Federal spending?  Get real.

The issue is the size of the DEFICIT.  After all, that's what he said
he'd cut in half, not the budget.

>> No, I voted for him based on RECORD.  I will judge his performance
>> using that same criterion.

>What record?  Guiness Book for most successful lies in a campaign?
>Oh, I forgot.  According to you, nothing he says matters anyway.

Oh, you know.  Little details like his record as Governor of Arkansas,
in the Democratic Leadership Council, small details like that that
purblind ideologues like you just can't seem to bring themselves to
look at. 

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Against the Grain: aka Jaws II
Summary: tough choices laid out
Keywords: Taxes, Fair Share, Cut the Fat
Organization: CTC, Inc., Austin, TX. U.S. of A. 78757-3109
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:51:43 GMT


	In my continuing series of Texas Budget Deficit Battle, I bring you
	yet another set of proposed cuts from John Sharp. The summary is
	basically me regrouping the story and [ ] are my comments.

	From AAS, Friday, 1/22/93


		Comptroller to tell legislators how to save $3 billion

	Summary: John sharp will deliever a report called "Against the 
		Grain", a sequel to his 1991 report "Breaking the Mold"
		in which he proposed $4.2 Billion in budget cuts of which
		the legislators enacted $2.4 billion cuts from.
		The new report list 192 reccomendations, informally called
		"Jaws II" proposes over $3 Billion in cuts, some of which
		are detailed here.

	* Save $163,000 by not renaming the Texas Dept of Health to Texas
		Dept of PUBLIC Health.
		[ No-op, flush this. In other words, Yes ]

	* Allowing Univeristies to charge back high schools for remdial
		training to bring students up to par.
		[ Probably a good thing, need more info, see below ]
	
	* Charging state prison guards for their lunches as state teachers
		are required.(a copayment sort of) Savings: $25 Million over
		next two years.
		[ Yes, no free lunch in this day & age, anyone else get a
		  free lunch from there employer? ]

	* Have the state use more of its office space instead of paying $92
		Million a year to lease office space while 1.2 million square
		feet sits empty.
		[ Need details, sounds good, but office space for the Governor
		 does little good if it's in Hondo, Texas. ]

	* Vocational training for students by consolodating Chamber of
		Commerce, Employment Commission and parts of Texas Education 
		Agency(TEA) all under the TEA and Human Services.
		[ I don't understand this one. ]

	Note: Sharp warns lobbyist are opposed to these.
		[ Those lobbyist probably represent Office Leasing companies,
		  ;- ) ]

	======================================================================

	Write your legislators and Governor to tell them you support a decrease
	in services over "higher taxes". Unfortunately, those are you're only
	two choices(see previous articles)

Gov. Ann Richards(D), State Capital, Austin, TX, 78711	(512) 463-2000
[In Austin]
St Sen Gonzalo Barrientos(D) Box 12068, Austin, TX, 78711  (512) 463-0114
St Rep Elliott Naishtat(D) Box 2910, Austin, TX, 78769  (512) 463-0668

	Write John Sharp for copy of this plan.(I have)

State Comproller John Sharp, 111 West 6th Street, Austin,TX 78701,(512) 463-4600
	
-- 
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CTC, Inc.			  "That voodoo stuff don't do nothing for me."
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From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Against the Grain: aka Jaws II
Keywords: Taxes, Fair Share, Cut the Fat
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:22:48 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <1993Jan26.135936.10440@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Looks like a bad thing to me; make up more ways for people to suck
>money out of the public school system and then complain about the
>public schools.  Why are Universities letting in students who aren't
>qualified? 

Excellent point. I agree. This charge-back silliness is just another example
of people blaming poor student performance on the schools.
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