From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty pos
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:33:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <11751@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> In article <193194@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>, pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
> 
> I've also received quite a bit of support here as well, but except
> for you and a few others who just can't bear to part with illusions
> about homosexuality, most don't engage in a continuous stream of
> it.

Uh-uh, Clayton, I'm not going to let you get away with this one.  I read the
ca.politics group daily and have for more than three years now.  You've had
one poster enthusiastically take up your crusade for a while (djk, I believe).
You've had one or two more talking about family values or about homosexuality
and sex education.  You've had no other support for your crusade about
homosexuality and child molestation, nor about homosexuality and mental
illness.

As for "continuous stream", look who's talking.  Good God, you average two
or more postings on this issue every day and have for over a year now!
You let it rest for a month or so not too long ago, but now you're back
even worse than before.  My postings on the other hand--well, I argued with
you briefly last year, and started responding to your postings full-time
about two weeks ago.  I hardly think that qualifies as a continuous stream.

Incidentally, you'll note that I never initiate any of these postings.  I
only respond to yours.  I guarantee that if you'll drop this subject, so 
will everyone else.  Hell, I'll even let you have the last word if you
assure me that it really is the last word.  None of this debate is appropriate
to the newsgroups you're spreading it to, anyway.

You probably will out-last me in this exchange, though.  A fanatic is more
likely to have the endurance than someone who hates lies and misinformation.
Eventually, I'll get tired of taking an hour a day responding to you and
just give up in disgust.  You do realize, don't you, that your crusade has
driven people away from the political newsgroups because they're tired of
reading your crap?

> Quite a bit.  Much of it harrassment, with asshole homosexuals setting
> up mail loops that kept throwing trash at us.  Mike Batchelor edited
> one of my postings, then emailed to the postmaster implying that I
> was the original poster of a child pornography poem that appeared
> originally in soc.motss, and which I crossposted to show people that
> the child molestation defense brigade was still at work in soc.motss.

Ironic, isn't it, that the poem didn't support child molestation?  I
read that poem when you first cross-posted it, and again when you posted
it in response to something I wrote.  The poem was a child's fantasies
about sex--what the author may have wanted to have happen to him when
he was growing up.

Incidentally, I do not condone e-mail harassment.

> Fortunately, my postmaster has a child, and seems to understand that
> child molestation is a bad thing.

So does just about everyone else on this, and all of the other, newsgroups,
including soc.motss.  I'm not going to let you claim the moral high ground
on this.  You have never established any link between homosexuality and
child molestation with any kind of credible evidence.  The issue was, and
remains, a product of your own imagination.

> I've said vicious things about a group that is devoted to molesting
> children.

Which group is that Clayton?  soc.motss?  NAMBLA?  The entire gay community?
I seem to remember Clayton claiming that he didn't make ad hominem attacks
and Clayton also crying about "lying homosexuals" who said that he claimed
they molested children.  Now we have Clayton claiming that one of the above
groups is devoted to molesting children.  Thank you so much for confirming
our opinion of you, Clayton.  Isn't it about time for another apology from
you?

> I guess I should just hang my head and cry for being such a nasty person.

Yes, you should, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to
happen.  In the meantime, I still suggest you seek some professional
counseling.

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