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From: seals@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Larry W. Seals)
Subject: Re: what exactly is a "small stone"?
Summary: My old pedal...
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:27:57 GMT

Well, my old Small Stone has been relegated to a place of honor in the
garage area set aside for "things that don't work anymore that I'll look
at later".  It's just a basic chorus (not stereo) that had the best
sound of any that I ever auditioned.  Mine is a 15 year vet of most of
the venues in Southwestern Ohio, and finally gave up the ghost this past
spring.  Actually, it still works, but generates a lot of non-musical
noise depending on how it's feeling.  I spent most of last year hunting
for a replacement until I got hung up on a Digitech RP-1.  Only $225
more to go till I can afford one - then they won't be available.

Oh, well...

BTW, one of the bass players I worked with in Ohio tried my SS for
awhile, but it really didn't add anything appreciable.

seals@ecsvax


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From: poole@hpspkpy.spk.hp.com (Gary-Poole)
Subject: Re: Tapping Lesson#1
Reply-To: poole@hpspkpy.spk.hp.com (Gary-Poole)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:13:48 GMT

In article <9137@news.duke.edu>, daw@carr2.acpub.duke.edu (Dwayne
Wallace) writes:
|>
|>In regards to Ian's first tapping lesson...
|>			YES!!!!!
|>This is the reason I joined this newsgroup; to pick up new technique
and ideas 
|>because I am not studying under anyone right now.  Ian, I beseech thee, write
|>the next supplement to the lesson.  I for one am paying rapt attention.
|>
|>
|>				-Dwayne Wallace, Trinity '95
|>				 Duke Universtity   daw@acpub.duke.edu
|>				

I agree totally! This is great stuff.
           
Gary Poole                          
Hewlett-Packard SMTC Board Test Engineering.
_______________________________________________________________________________

   Phone : 1-509-921-3901                     Mail : Hewlett Packard
   Telnet: 1-921-3901                                P.O. Box 2500  
   HP-UX : poole@hpspkla.spk.hp.com                  Spokane, WA. 99220-2500
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: daw@carr2.acpub.duke.edu (Dwayne Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Tapping Lesson#1
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:44:09 GMT
Reply-To: daw@carr2.acpub.duke.edu (Dwayne Wallace)


In regards to Ian's first tapping lesson...
			YES!!!!!
This is the reason I joined this newsgroup; to pick up new technique and ideas 
because I am not studying under anyone right now.  Ian, I beseech thee, write
the next supplement to the lesson.  I for one am paying rapt attention.


				-Dwayne Wallace, Trinity '95
				 Duke Universtity   daw@acpub.duke.edu
				
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From: carls@Ingres.COM (Carl Stanley)
Subject: Re: Madonna's bassist on SNL last weekend - type of axe?
Reply-To: carls@Ingres.COM (Carl Stanley)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:39:05 GMT

In article <Jan.19.10.50.58.1993.18948@gandalf.rutgers.edu> rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:
>
>Did anyone see Madonna's performance on Saturday Night Live last
>weekend? No comments on her performance, but I was wondering who her
>bass player was. I really liked the sound he was getting from his axe,
>which looked like some type of Jazz-style bass with a natural finish
>body. It was a real fat, "crunchy" sound. Seems like I can get close
>to this by putting all the balance on the back pickup on my Jazz.
>Anyone know more about this instrument?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It was Darryl Jones, ex Sting & Miles bass player who was earning
the bucks on that tour.  I was surfing the channels when I saw the
Madonna concert & said "Wow that bass player's good... I hope he got
paid alot of money for it"..  

Don't know much about his rig tho

Carl Stanley
Ingres
Data Comm
carls@ingres.com

  I play in the SF-based band Fracture, which is thrash/grunge/noise/jazz/
						     funk/improvcore/metal..
						     >
>Thanks,
>ralph
>-- 
>Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
>Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
>--


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From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Bass Strings
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:03:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.002132.13968@oracle.us.oracle.com> mbrewste@us.oracle.com writes:
>I'm wondering if there is a way to clean bass strings.
>I bought some DR's not too long ago and they sounded great but now they
>aren't so bright. A friend of mine told me that he read somewhere that you can
>clean bass strings by boiling them in vinegar!!!

I've heard lots of versions of this. Some say water, some say various
acids, others say soap and others say other things. Frankly I'm rather
skeptical of all of them.

>If this is not a good method can some one recommend what to do?  If you can't
>how long should a set of strings last if you practice a 3-5 times a week?  

Depends mostly on how you want them to sound. Almost everyone has noticed
that new bass strings are very bright/harsh for a few days after you change
them and then this effect wears off. If you like the newish sound, then you
may want to change every few weeks. (Jaco changed every DAY). If you don't
like the newish should, than it can be years if you want it to be. I try to go
6 to 8 months per set. I also won't change them unless I don't have to play
for about three days because it takes that long for the harsh metallic
sound to wear out, and I hate that sound. :)
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Cabinet tuning
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:13:15 GMT

Forgive My ignorance but how do you tune a speaker cabinet?
Are there designs for pre-tuned ones avaliable?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Rackmount Amp/Preamp Reccomendations?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:23:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I've finally decided that I want to start a rack.  Initially, I just
want to get a bass preamp & power amp, but I'd eventually like to
use the same rack for electric & acoustic guitar (I switch back and
forth quite a bit.  I've got an OK guitar combo, but would like to
limit the amount of junk I haul around - once I can afford it).

So, what I'm looking for:

1)A rack - probably about 8 spaces worth.  Is the SKB stuff OK?  Should
    I spend the bucks on something better?

2) Bass Preamp - Something decent that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.  
    I don't necessarily need tons of effects - if i decide i want them
    i'll add them later.  A good clean tone & good eq are probably
    all i need for now.

3) Power Amp - I won't need a ton of power - If i'm doing anything
    "big" i'll probably be run through a PA.  Clean is good.

FYI, I've got a Yamaha RBF200 fretless (cheap, but good enough for
me right now) & I'll initially be driving an old Peavey 2X15 cabinet.
Once I start running the guitars through the mess, I'll probably get
a more appropriate cabinet.

I'd like to keep the initial investment under $1000 (that'd be much
more politically correct at home), well under if possible.  If anybody
has reccs. for good mail order houses through which to get this stuff,
that'd help, too.

thanks,

Bob Taylor
HP Vancovuer

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From: ssmith@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sammie L. Smith)
Subject: Re: what exactly is a "small stone"?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:11:19 GMT

In article <EIJKHOUT.93Jan23173303@cupid.cs.utk.edu> eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.144650.25423@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pfaff@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.s.pfaff) writes:
>
>   my guitar player has one of those old electro-harmonix "small stones",
>   which has a really cool "underwater" sound.  i'd like to get one for
>   my bass, but i doubt the actual small stones are still available.
>   what is the technical/functional name of this thing?  i imagine the
>   effect is available under some other name.  any ideas?
>
>It's a phaser, and electro-harmonix has indeed gone belly-up a long
>time ago. You can get other phasers, but they ain't the real thang.
>Electro-harmonix in particular made a flanger (the Electric Mistress)
>that is still unsurpassed. imho.
>
>Does anyone have Electro-Harmonix effects that they want to
>sell? I'm looking in particular for a 'Bass Balls'.
>
>   john
>--
>Victor Eijkhout ................................ `There are also a few bugs,
>Department of Computer Science .......... though not as many as I've come to
>University of Tennessee ............... expect in new [MS]Windows products.'
>Knoxville TN 37919 ................................ (from a software review)

At least one of the Electro-Harmonix pedals, the Big Muff Pi, is still made
in Russia by Sovtek electronics.  (BTW, it comes packaged in a way-cool
miniature wooden crate with cyrillic markings.)  These are available here in 
San Antonio at Krazy Kat Music.  I don't know if any of the other pedals are
available.  This small shop also has a number of used pedals, E-H and others.

    Sam

-- 
When the going gets weird, the weird go pro. |    ssmith@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
                                             |          "I'm the NRA!"
                      Dr. Hunter S. Thompson |           Sam L. Smith
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Envelope Follower Pedal
Keywords: Effect
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:31:38 GMT
Distribution: world,rudy
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

doug@penny.telcom.arizona.edu (Doug Wellington USGS) writes:

>Well, my first thought is that envelope followers are just devices
>to provide a signal that varies with relation to another signal.
>This is then used to vary some other signal.  Clear as mud?  I'll
>go on.  Usually you use an envelope follower to vary how intense
>some effect is.  The book Electronics for Musicians has a good
[stuff deleted]

Is this what is called a "T-wah"? A wah-wah sound which is controlled
automatically by the attack of a note (rather than a foot pedal).
Example is Pete Townsend's guitar solo on Magic Bus...

-Ralph

-- 
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Phone: (609) 225-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
--
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From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)
Subject: Re: Madonna's bassist on SNL last weekend - type of axe?
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:42:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.221051.7207@news.unomaha.edu> stjunior@cwis.unomaha.edu (Donald R. Harrold) writes:
>
>was it just me, or was he playing out of tune on the second song?

I was under the impression he was bending the notes for "artistic reasons."

-- 
Bill McFadden    Tektronix, Inc.  P.O. Box 500  MS 58-639  Beaverton, OR  97077
bill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill      Phone: (503) 627-6920
How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?
From: mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Deathwack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: The great speaker debate: 15 vs 18
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan21.201835.4725@ichips.intel.com> pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete
Turner) writes:

>The question is, what does (or doesn't) an extra 3 inches buy you over
>the 15? Better boom? Some better response? Less chances of launching a
>cone through the front row at your next gig? What?

>So, I'll suggest this: if you have a comment (and you know you do!), hang
>your laundry here for everyone to see. Tell the world why you own (or don't
>own) a 15 (or 18) cab. Also, it would probably be useful if you state a few
>reference points; are you metal-head, jazz-fiend, blues-dude, and other
>items like what other cab (if any) you also drive through.

Well, when I was purchasing an amp, I decided to buy a Crate B200XL (or some
model with a number similar to this), and I tried it out with both a 2x15
cab and a 2x10+1x18 cab. Well, (although Crate is not great, merely great
for the price IMHO) the cab with the 18" had much more overall range
(brightness, poppy-ness) than the 2x15 cab, although maybe a 4x10 and a 15"
added together would be as adequate. So, I bought the cab with the 18"
speaker, which is the size of a mini refrigerator and weighs 83 pounds (the
2x15 cab weighs about 67, my friend got one to go with his Peavey Mark III).
I've been happy with the sound and the durability (the cab fell out of a
moving pickup truck and is still fully functional, although it now has
slightly mushy edges on the bottom). I DON'T like the weight, and have been
seriously considering a smaller/lighter setup. (Maybe a Hartke 4x10 and
single 15). Anyway, I really like the boom of the 18. BTW, I play hard rock
generally, but like to pop/slap on occasion.
							Mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: What exactly don't I know? (Re: What exactly is an OTA?)
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:43:14 GMT

In article <TILL.93Jan26141411@acid-rain.lucid.com> till@lucid.com writes:
>(I should throw in some gratatuitous slam about stuff like this not being
>taught in engineering classes anymore, having been replaced with courses in
>8086 assembly language, and the resultant downfall of western civilization
>as we know it, but then there'd be no doubt that I've become a jaded old
>curmudgeon, fiddling with my slide rule while being warmed by the soft glow
>of fine old vacuum tubes.)
>
>  -- Don

Well, Don, I agree with you, for one very specific reason.  I don't know
jack about electronics.  Oh sure, I can tell the difference between a diode
and a motherboard, but beyond that I start to get the shakes.  What should
a person in my condition do?  I'm tired of wanting to put together my own
neat gadgets, but lacking the knowledge to even begin to do so.  Any _good_
literature for an electronewbie like me?

(Holding my breath for the ignorance-flames.  8-| )

  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: fwj@reg.triumf.ca (JONES,FRED_W.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: The great speaker debate: 15 vs 18
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:21 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C19EGD.7pA@panix.com>, moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes...

>First my background: I've been playing bass for 26 years and have played
>through every combination of speakers you'd ever imagine.  I had an
>Acoustic 370 with the huge 1-18" folded horn cabinet; a Road 1-18"
>cabinet that was about as small as you can make a 1-18"; a few 1-15"
>cabinets with a variety of speakers (EVM-15B, Utah, and others); a 2-15"
>Ampeg cabinet; multiple late-60's (small) Bassman 2-12" cabinets; and
>others too.  I'm also an electrical engineer who finds pleasure in
>designing my own cabinets.  I've had an article in Speaker Builder and
>am current with modern driver selection and cabinet design practices.
  [...]
>The typical 15" driver in a three or four cubic foot box is going to
>have a large peak in the mid-bass.  (Did you see Ralph Gonzalez's post
>on this a week or two ago?)  That'll make it sound very loud and
>impressive but it won't sound balanced.  It'll also have very poor low
>bass response -- usually not lower than 60 Hz or so.  An 18" in that
>size box will be even peakier and won't go as low!  Now it could be that
>you like the peaky sound, and then I'd say: go buy it!  It's also true
>that if the driver has sufficient power handling and enough linear
>excursion, you can equalize the crap out of it to get low bass.
  [...etc.]

Thanks for your very enlightening post that pointed out the importance
of the cabinet as well as the driver.  I too have played a number of
different bass rigs and have always felt that 15" and 18" cabinets (of
any size that is portable) sound terrible.  The peak in the mid-bass you
mentioned makes the sound seem "dark", "hollow", "blurry", or however
you want to describe it: in any case a far cry from accurately
reflecting the tonality of the instrument.  To try to get a balanced
sound, you have to e.q. the hell out  of your amp, which is pretty much
a band-aid solution.  I have found that it helps somewhat to put a lot
of sound-absorbing insulation in the cabinet, thus increasing its
effective "volume", but again the results are still far from optimum. 
The first time I ever heard what my bass really sounds like was when I
plugged it into a SWR/Goliath 4x10.

Please keep us informed on your development of small, portable flat-response
systems.  It's about time we bass players laid down some of our heavy
burdens.


Frederick Jones
fwj@reg.triumf.ca
From: kimple@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Tapping Lesson#1 and editor-at-large!
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:17:06 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <C17ss5.G9C@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, satkins@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Shannon Atkins) writes:
> doug@merlin.telcom.arizona.edu (Doug Wellington USGS) writes:
> 
>>Anybody out there want me to work up a slapping and popping lesson?  
> 
> YEEEESSSSSSS! 
> -S.Atkins-


And please start from *the* basics. It may insult some, but some of us haven't
played bass very long (yeah, I started on guitar, and yeah,I use a pick at
times, so this using the fingers thing is still new to me).

Maybe even some pointers about "typical" string guage, set up, amp set ups, 
etc. for the slap'n'pop.

jd
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Are Hartke Speakers "Delicate"?
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:33:02 GMT
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In-reply-to: bissett@acs.bu.edu's message of 27 Jan 93 04:42:00 GMT

In article <108412@bu.edu> bissett@acs.bu.edu (Robert Bissett) writes:

   But if you want a 4x10" for full range (I don't biamp anymore),
   the Hartke is absolutely the best. Other 4 by 10's sound anemic in comparison.
   Hartke 4x10's have incredibly clear low end.

To a degree. When I bought my Harke 4x10 I knew that I was compromising:
clear highs and portability, but a low that definitely stops at the
low D. You hear clearly that the Db and C are rapidly cutting off
the fundamental, so if you are into 5- or 6-stringers it is a compromise.

--
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Department of Computer Science .......... though not as many as I've come to
University of Tennessee ............... expect in new [MS]Windows products.'
Knoxville TN 37919 ................................ (from a software review)
From: axon@synoptics.com (Alan Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: The great speaker debate: 15 vs 18
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: axon@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA

i play through a peavey 2x10 + 1x18 (called, i think, an 1820).  i tested this cab side by side with a 2x8 + 1x15 (1516) before making my choice, and the 1820 was an order of magnitude better (in my opinion.)   i do like the sound of the peavey "black widow" drivers, although i don't know what specifically makes them special.

the weight *is* a problem, but i put 4 2" casters on the bottom, and 4 4" dolly casters (two fixed, two swinging) on one side.  except for stairs, i can handle it myself.  

i play 60s rock and roll, basically, with some popping for color.
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From: dixon@r2d2.eng.hou.compaq.com (Dixon Dick)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Bass Strings
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:13:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.002132.13968@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mbrewste@gluttony.us.oracle.com (Mark Brewster) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Hi Folks,
|> 
|> I'm wondering if there is a way to clean bass strings.
|> I bought some DR's not too long ago and they sounded great but now they aren't so bright.
|> 
|> A friend of mine told me that he read somewhere that you can clean bass strings by
|> boiling them in vinegar!!!  Sounds cool to me, has anybody else heard of this and if
|> so.  How long do you boil them for - (i.e. till soft, a dente, etc.), how much vinegar should
|> I use?

I've heard this in a slighty different version, use coffee machine
cleaner (which happens to be acetic acid - vinegar). Watch them til
you see them turning a different color, you've created a coating
of stuff on the strings that will wipe off when you take them
out. Careful not to let the strings sit against the bottom
of the pan, as this will damage them. So, don't boil the
strings on HIGH, just get the water real hot, put in the
vinegar and stir the strings around a bit. The length of time
it takes depends on your water, the vinegar you use and the
strings of course. Think al dente if you have any doubts about
this.

|> 
|> If this is not a good method can some one reccommend what to do?  If you can't how long
|> should a set of strings last if you practice a 3-5 times a week?  
|> 
|> Thanks muchly..
|> 
|> Mark B.

Years, man.

dcd
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