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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:41:16 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 092213MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET, MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET () writes:
>=========================================================================
>In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
>>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
>>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything
>>about this?  Possibility is that the >
>I read in one of the major auto magazines recently that Honda has taken delivery
>of a Lola Indy Car for "examination". And it rumored they might go Indy as soon
>as '93, possibly with, get this, Scott Pruett & Truesports. I find this hard to
>believe, as well as it being '93.

If you consider all of the following (some serious, some not so):

  1.  Honda is spending gigabucks on F1 R&D now and getting their ass kicked
      by Renault who spends somewhat less
  2.  Hondas in America are "secretary's cars" according to Autoweek
      including Acura
  3.  Honda is a virtual non-player in the Japanese market left to fight
      over the crumbs leftover from Toyota and Nissan
  4.  Honda's vital market is the US market
  5.  Honda makes a decent, however boring product
  6.  Americans are stupid enough to buy off on that marketing scam of
      product segmentation, i.e. ACURA
  7.  CART, excuse me, INDYCAR plays slowpitch softball compared to F1
      in terms of keeping teams "competitive"
  8.  The typical American F1 fan is not a secretary and therefore not
      interested in buying a Honda 
  9.  Indycar budgets are much smaller and therefore Honda could save money
      and still remain competitive
 10.  The ABC(American Bimbos of CART) network broadcasts most of top
      CART races and instead of spotlighting racing and tech stuff, they
      choose to spotlight wives in the pits, wives in the transporter,
      wives with the kids, wives with stopwatches, and wives with worried
      looks on their faces which may have appeal to people who buy Hondas

Well, if you consider some of the preceding(or even all of it) you
might get the idea that it would be great for Honda to enter Indycars

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From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: FAST in F1
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:16:18 GMT
Organization: CRI, Leiden University, the Netherlands.

Just my 2 cents worth on fast drivers, some people have extremely short
and selective memories, remember when Prost joined Mansell at Ferrari
Prost was without a doubt faster and continously a better strategist
than Mansell , We all had such high expectations from Alesi after his
drives with Tyrrel , and than joined Ferrari , i personnaly expected
Alesi to be up there with Prost , We all know this was not the case.
years ago a watched a live interview with Keke Rosberg , who i admired
for his forceful driving and his flair , Rosberg said that he thought 
that he was by far the fatest man in F1 , until he joined Prost in the
maclaren , he was surprised that Prost was so much quicker than him...
As for Prost - Senna , in their years with Maclaren , Senna was usually
faster at qualifying, Prost usually set fastest lap , Senna took more
chances in overtaking and was more forceful , sometimes approaching
the limit during his overtaking manouvres ....
allowing him to win more during their two years together



  cheers Tony Rosmalen

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From: spencer@nigel.cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Stephen Spencer)
Subject: Mansell GIF location?
Originator: spencer@nigel
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts & Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:49:35 GMT

I'm looking for Formula 1 GIFs.  Seems to me there was a site announced 
perhaps a month ago.  Unfortunately, we don't keep articles around quite
that long and so was wondering if anyone had saved that particular 
article or knows of a site which contains Formula 1 GIF files.

Thanks!

steve

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From: calvin@neptune.UUCP (Calvin Sanders)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Organization: The Jonathan Corporation, Norfolk, Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 03:55:10 GMT

rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.165912.5214@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>>
>>I think that F1 could well learn from the IndyCar scene and introduce
>>full course yellows.  F1 usually has a lot of cranes to clear cars and
>>

>The problem with full-course yellows is that they are used to make races
>artificially "close".  The safety record in F1 (and in SCCA and IMSA, for 
>that matter) suggests that local yellows are sufficient for safe racing, 
>so the only thing to be gained from a full-course yellow is this artificial
>"close" race.  In fact, when cars are bunched together (as they would
>be under a full-course yellow), I would argue that it makes racing LESS safe, 
>not more so.  ("Awright, let's hear it for blood and gore!" :-) )

Clay Regazonni might be the first one to disagree with you about leaving
the broken cars there. I think IndyCar races use the full course yellow
too often. Most of the cases are for artificial closeness, but there are 
times even in F1 where I really think a full course yellow would be a good
thing to have as an option. There have been several events where the checkered
came out early where a full course yellow for 2 laps to clear the course and
then finishing up the last 10-15 laps under green would have made everyone
happier. There are a couple of incidents where a red has come out that 
I think a full course yellow would have been adequate. It would be a good
option to have in some rare cases IMHO, but not to be used as often as it
is in IndyCar races.

-- 
Calvin Sanders
calvin@neptune
From: roneill@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: AUTO/PERFORMANCE/RACING`PARTS in FLORIDA
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:10:13 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I will be driving to Florida in May.  Can anyone let me 
know where I could find an automotive shop specializing
in racing equipment and parts such as thos that advertise
in Stock Car and Circle Track magazines.  I am interested
in picking up a few things, in particular a transmission
cooler.  They're quite expensive around here.  The
magazine ads have them at a good price, however, the time
that I pay shipping and duty it drives the price up.
It does not necessarily have to be a performance shop as I
am sure many stores carry these coolers.

Thanks for the help.

BOB O'NEILL
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: 4/10 Watsonville report & results
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:52:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.232345.7055@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us> keeper@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Ron O'Dell) writes:
>
>
I didn't notice Dana Stahl's name, was he there? 

> 


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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: F1 stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:38:48 GMT

     I kinda agree with what Alex Tsourinakis posted about trying to 
place restraints on F1. Although the fuel issue is maybe a little lopsided,
in favor of the major teams, limiting the teams to no traction control, 
electronic throttles, etc., would set the sport back. When Ferrari introduced
their semi-automatic gearbox in 1989(?), nobody cried foul. And now, Williams,
McLaren, and Benetton have all raced or tested semi-automatic transmissions.
Starting with this year, the Cosworth-Ford DFR is no longer used. That means,
that the engine with the lowest horsepower, depending on whose figures you
use, is the Lamborghini V-12, which makes at least 55 BHP more than the DFR.
All of the smaller teams, like Fondmetal, Minardi, and Andrea Moda Formula,
now are using highly competitive and reliable engines, which puts a premium
on not only the driver's skill, but also the design of the total car. So, as
I see it, the high buck gadgets of today, eventually see their way to those
less fortunate on the grid.
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Driver skill vs technology.
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk


Come on guys - lets face it it is a complex mix.

Lightweight nerds will do well in underpowered cars.

Macho aggressive drivers need lots of horsepower and an unbreakable
car - together with good handling to allow them to perform outrageous
manoeuvres,.

Drivers who are smooth can make fast but fragile cars do well - but
can they overtake?

Lightning reflexes and bravery can make a good wet driver.

Flogging a car to death to impress your *next* team is a good way to
get a good ride - even if it screws your current team.

Drivers who get excited and miss gear changes break engines.

Drivers who hammer the car through the gears break boxes.

Different cars suit different drivers and so do different tracks.

No driver is all round perfect,
No car is all round perfect

Thats the whole fun!
From: djd@gator.rn.com (Dennis Dunkman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: IMSA frequencies wanted
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:24:04 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site

If anyone is going to Road Atlanta with a scanner, I'm interested
in updating my frequency list for this year.  I have the list that
was posted in March, but my short list doesn't agree with it.

Here is my list from last year, used at Heartland Park, Mid-Ohio
and Road America:

  Nissan Geoff Brabham    462.1375
  Nissan Chip Robinson    462.675
  Milner Racing #4        464.2875
  Milner Racing #5        464.6125
  Toyota Juan Fangio      151.965
  Toyota Rocky Moran      151.925
  Acura Parker Johnstone  462.2125
  Jaguar #3               462.0625
  IMSA race control       464.55
  IMSA                    465.4625
  IMSA                    463.6750

Many more frequencies were in use, but these were the only ones
that I could relate to a specific car.

Any updates would be appreciated.


--
Dennis Dunkman
The Gator
219-289-0777/317-251-7391
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From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Derek Warwick: Man of steel!
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:36:33 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex


	Following on from the recent string about 'Del-boys' accident, I
thought r.a.s types might like to hear  about a Del-boy playtime
accident that his employers (Lotus) were none to pleased about. 
	I have some friends who live on the island of Jersey in the
channel islands, which as it happens is where Del-boy lives. Now every
now & again they shut off one particularly nasty hill, (like 7 hair-pins
in just under a mile) & race cars, karts, &  motor-cycles up it, one at
a time against the clock. Its all done properly, rescue units, doctors
etc.
	On this occasion Del-boy decided to have a go, he decided
against the CRX racer (he owns a Honda dealership on the island). And
decided to race a kart instead. His first practice was ok, very quick as
you would expect. Then came his first timed run, now one thing you have
to bear in mind is that the kart was what is known here as a 100
national, that is 100cc, no gearbox, no clutch, so when you back off for
a corner you have to reach round to the carb, & put your hand over the
intake to get lots of 'juice' into the tract so that the kart will
accelerate out of the corner. So anyway Del-boy screams away from the
rolling start (no clutch remember) & heads for the first hairpin at
maximum attack, this is some 150-200 yards from the start, so by the
time he gets there he is not hanging around! He reaches round to choke
the carb, & cant find the intake, so he looks round to find it (ie
backwards!), misses his turn in & flies up the escape road at what
eye-witnesses put at anything between 60 & 80 mph.
	The surface of the escape road was loose gravel so the slicks
had no grip at all, he slid at undiminished velocity up the escape road
until he came into intimate contact with my friends Ford Transit van at
an estimated 30-40 mph. A bunch of marshals & spectators fearing the
worst ran up the escape road & into the car-park, only to be greeted by
the sight of Del-boy frantically trying to pull the kart out from under
the van, & my friend admiring the Derek Warwick shaped dent in the side
of his van!! He made sure Del-boy signed the dent before he left!
Del-boy did admit to a sore ankle some time afterwards, but was more
concerned about Lotus not finding out what he had been up to. I seem to
remember he did miss a GP as a result of this.
	Hope this hasn't been to long but I thought it was a good story!


Ian Deeley
School of Engineering
University of Sussex
Falmer England.
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From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: Re: Williams Reactive Suspension (power requirments)
Date: 08 Apr 92 08:00:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: fully active is not the only possible way


various people have commented that fully active suspensions are very
power consuming, perhaps especially in F1.  I agree that this is probably
true, but it's not really necessary to do a fully active suspension to
get the results we're seeing.  For example, the Citroen Activa has
what might be called a fully active swaybar.  the car is normally sprung,
but the swaybar has a hydraulic element which conditionaly relaxes
or exagerates the effect of the swaybar.  clearly it's fairly simple
to implement a "fully hydraulic swaybar"--this is not too far from what a
"unishock" is.  by conditionaly absorbing suspension travel in a spring
(buried under the black cloth) or transferring it to the opposite wheel
(no power consumption at all, except for opening and closing the requisite
valves) we have a suspension that can absorb bumps well but is totally (to
the limit of the control loops) immune to roll, apart from tire compression.
it wouldnt take too much additional power to exagerate the effect to
compensate for tire compression with a little pump.  or even sleazier: the
suspension is "sprung" to ride a little high, but the spring is loaded up
whenever they go over a bump.  relasing this loading when needed in a turn
is again a simple matter of opening the appropriate valve.  the outside of
the car winds up a little high when it finishes the turn, but that's quickly
compensated for to make the whole car a little high, and then as soon as it
hits a bump again the system is re-cocked.

what do you think?  an interesting thought is that my idea fits the term
"reactive" better than the more traditional active suspension does.

				-Hans
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:26:53 GMT

In article <8APR199213241446@maximillion.cp.mcc.com> mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:
>My Local newspaper carried a brief (two sentence item) stating that Cale 
>Yarborough had release Chad Little as his driver.  If anyone can confirm 
>or add any additional information to this, I would be interested.  I 
>think Bob Kehoe mentioned that Chad's father was also serving in some 
>capacity with this team.
>
>David

Since Bob seems to have (temporarily again) lost access to the net, I will
pass along a note he wrote to me (a big Chad Little fan):

-------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Bruce - wanted to let you know right away of our
"scoop" on the show last night.

I don't have the news story in front of me, but yesterday
it was announced that Chad Little has been released from
the Yarborough Team.  Apparently, Cale was displeased with
the results so far this season.  Neither party could be
reached for comment, but the Team will be at North Wilksboro.
No driver has been announced.  Cale has now gone thru 8 drivers
(including himself) since he started this team in '88.

Bad news for Chad and his dad.

bob
-------------------------------------------------------------

And my response:

-------------------------------------------------------------
I just got your mail about Chad.  Boo, hiss.  I must admit, though, that I
thought it might be coming.  Seems like these days, because of the big bucks
and sponsors involved, drivers don't get much of a chance to prove themselves
(just ask Phil Parsons!).  That REALLY SUCKS.  Geez, I wonder what will happen
to them now?  Maybe Harry Melling would be interested...  I must write to them
and voice my encouragement (and of course, continued support).
-------------------------------------------------------------

I thought about it later - what about Petty Enterprises in '93?  ;-)

Concerning the involvement of Chad's dad, etc., here is an excerpt from
another message from "Cannonball Kehoe":

-------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Little will be Cale's driver in '92, continuing with Phillips 66 as the
major sponsor.  I believe Fast Fever Racing somehow merged with Yarborough as
Chuck(?) Little, Chad's dad, will be the business manager and Bob Johnson will
be crew chief.  Don't know what team Johnson was with last.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Cheers,
Bruce

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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: RE: there I was, there I was, .... in CS, TX   (ARCA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:44:03 GMT


In a previous article, pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) says:

>
>Howdy! 
>	Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
>
>	The pole for tomorrow's Slick 50 ARCA 500K race at Texas World
>Speedway was snatched yesterday by Loy Allen.  Allen is driving a

What are the dimensions of this track ?
From: cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:19:52 GMT
	<1992Apr6.165912.5214@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
Organization: Astm Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


			Andrew  Henry writes:
[Why he thinks full course yellows should be used in F1]

    As far as I know there were only two red flags last year.  I cannt
recall the races, but I am sure others can confirm or denigh my
statement.  So I do not think that the TV guys had to do much scrambling
to get around this.
    Personally one of the things that I think F1 has over Indy racing is
the lack of a yellow flag, which I find unnecessary in the vast majority
of cases.  I do not want any bit of CART infiltrating into F1.  Local
yellows are just fine, we don't need no stinkin' full course yellows!  


Carl
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 11:24:14 EDT
From: Matt Zika <MKZ101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    Where did everybody go?

Where did all the Winston Cup people go?  Usually every week after a race there
 is some discussion about how it went.  My resources on getting information
about qualifying, points, standings and general info. are limited.  Any info.
that is posted or emailed would be greatly appreciated.

                                                    Thanks,
                                                        Matt

 P.S.  Bill Elliot will win the championship thia year.  (I hope.)
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From: b609zbt@utarlg.uta.edu (GEORGE M. SMILEY)
Subject: Re: F1 HP quoted by Bruno Melli
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:12:00 GMT

In article <34955@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>:
        mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes...
> 
>In article <1APR199221005548@utarlg.uta.edu>,
>	 b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
> 
>|> Last years Ford HB made 730 bhp at 13,500 rpm.
>|> Last years Ford DFR made 620 bhp at 11,250 rpm.
>|> Last years Judd EV made 640 bhp at 11,750 rpm.
>|> Last years Yamaha ox99 made 700 bhp at 12,000 rpm.
>|> Last years Renault RS3 made 770 bhp at 14,440 rpm.
>|> Last years Honda RA 121E made 780 bhp at 14,800 rpm.
>|> Last years Lamborghini 3512 made 700 bhp at 13,800 rpm.
>|> Last years Ferrari made 760 bhp at 14,600 rpm.
>|> 
>|> So I guess a Honda or Renault was the motor to have.
>|> 
>|> George.
> 
> 
>George, what is the source for this information?  How credible is it?
> 
>I'm skeptical, or maybe it's cynical.
> 
>I do not believe precise and accurate hp numbers for *ANY* F1 engine
>are known outside the manufacturer's engine shop.  A list purporting
>to show them all is even less believable.
> 
>--bruce

I'm skeptical as well, Bruce, but all the figures from above come from
the UTA engineering database. I'm told that the database is constructed
from various engineering periodicals and what not. I would have to say that
they at least got the relative strength of each motor vs. another right.
What is interesting, however, is the gain that the teams made in BHP from
90 to 91. For instance Renault gained 110 BHP whilst Honda gained only 90
BHP between those two seasons. Assuming that that rate of progress carries
over to this season, the Renault would be up 20 BHP to the Honda 
(890 to 870 BHP). Of course big horsepower is nothing without equally
big torque, just ask Ferrari, to get off corners fast and accelerate to that
horsepower governed top speed quickly. What I would like to see is a graph
of the powerband, but, alas, that kind of concrete info is impossible to
get by. Take the above numbers with a grain of salt, I just put them out
there because someone asked for them.

Already working on a MP4/8 for Mclaren,  :-)

George.
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ford HB V8 and Indy Cars
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Apr13.084239.23699@daimi.aau.dk>,
usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) writes:
|>
|>I just wondered. Is it the Ford HB V8 engine that Michael
|>and Mario are using in their Lolas this season ??. If so,
|>is it the same as the Benetton Teams, or is it modified ??.

No, the engine that Michael and Mario Andretti and Scott Pruett are using is
the Ford/Cosworth XB, not the Ford/Cosworth HB.  While both are V8 engines,
there are several significant differences:  the HB is 3.5 liter, normally
aspirated; the XB is 2.6 liter, turbocharged.  While I'm sure that there is
much technology shared between the two engine designs, the aspro vs. turbo,
engine capacity, and fuel differences will have affected the designs
considerably.

--PSW