From: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (David Miller)
Subject: Re: The Devil
Reply-To: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:20:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.194839.25851@linus.mitre.org>, ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>
>      Hmmm... If anyone's interested in finding out more about
>Freemasonry, I run the Masonic Digest mailing list, and can add them
>to it.
>
>In article <BxFny3.2qJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.142931.1@acad.drake.edu> bbe001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>>>So
>>>anyway, while everyone's on the subject, what about the whole Masons thing?
>>>Malcolm didn't mention it a whole lt, except that Masons were especially
>>>devilish white people (this was wrote in a pre-Mecca chapter) and that they
>>>only had a 33 degree span of knowledge, as opposed to 360' like the Nation.
>>>(360' sound familiar from any recent songs...?) So I don't know shit about
>>>Masons, and I've only met one- he was a blackman (yeah he was black) that I 
>>>worked with on a
>>>construction site two summers ago. He just said there were all these little
>>>secret handshakes, foot things, passwords, etc. So does anybody know about 
>>>this shit?
>>..deleted...
>>>Someone inform me.
>
>      I've not read The autobiography of Malcom X, so I don't have the
>background to understand the context of the quote you give, but it
>suggests that X didn't know much about Masonry. The "33 degrees" he
>refer not to an angular distance, but a hierarchical one - more like
>degrees on a thermometer. Also, refering to Masons as "white people"
>is inaccurate - there are plenty of black Masons, in the Prince Hall
>affiliation, and increasingly in the mainstream lodges.
>b
>>well, the masons are a "religious" organization.  if you've ever heard
>>of job's daughters & the demolay, they are the "youth" sprout of the
>>fraternal order of Masons.  if i'm not talking about the same masons,
>>sue or flame me, but i think i hit the nail on the head.  yes, they do
>>have *lots* of secret stuff, and a lot twists all kinds of stuff around
>>their rituals usually consist of a secret word, some of them ranging
>>from the devils name, to a formation of a couple of false idols & stuff
>>(baalim & those others).  i've  a short article that i could send to
>>anyone that wants it.  it's not *really* that short, but it contains
>>facts taken from a book written by the masons, so it's not like
>>something that someone tried to do an expose on, it's stuff that they
>>let the public know, and it has some pretty crazy bugged ideas in it.
>>so i guess you could say that they were devilish. 

Well, Like, I've stated earlier, I am a Mason.  I have just started this summer
and only have 3 of those degrees my Masonic brother told you about.  So, I
don't know a whole lot, but I know a sufficient amount.  I would appreciate you
sending me that article.  I'd like to see what was said about the fraternity.
I'd prefer if you sent it to:

					David Miller
					MB 2523
					Brandeis University
					Waltham, MA 02254-9110
simply because I don't get a chance to come to where I can access the network
often due to time constraints.
IMHO, i think they
>>are, but the sad thing is that a lot of modern day people are still
>>joining but don't know what theyre getting into.  at the risk of having
>>to have followups to alt.religion, i'll say that i'm out.
>
>>>				Peace Out
>>>				B.......E
>>shalom,
>>the anointed nubian,
>>jon.
>
>    Jon, I've read the article you sent sent me (thanks!) It appears
>to be off of some fundamentalist (Berean Christian) BBS. It's a fairly
>typical piece of hackwork, consisting of out-of-context quotes and
>outright fabrications. I'd find some of the errors and
>misrepresentations hilarious if I didn't know that many readers will
>take them at face value.
>
>     Freemasonry is not a religion, but it does require that it's
>members believe in a Deity. Thus, Christians, Jews, Moslems, and
>members of other faiths can all be members.
>
>						Peter Trei
>						ptrei@mitre.org
>						Editor: Masonic Digest
>						Master: Wilder Lodge AF&AM
>							Leominster MA.
>
>PS: For info on the Masonic Digest, write me at the above address.
>
>PPS: What do people think of the opera "X"?
>
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