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From: wjstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (WILLIAM JAMES STEWART)
Subject: Re: drug test/cocaine
Originator: wjstewar@c00016-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: wjstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (WILLIAM JAMES STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:11:23 GMT


I just served three years in the military and would like to comment on
what all I know through reading various manuals and personal experience
of the military's drug tests - this might save someone from coming up 
"hot" on a piss test one day.  First, the military initially uses an 
EMIT test and verifies the results with an expensive and reliable gas
chromatography test.  The two drugs that are ALWAYS checked for is 
THC (the active ingredient in marijuana and hash) and Cocaine metabolites.
They then randomly check for one of these categories, also: 
                 1. PCP (this does not include LSD)
                         Detectable Time Period: up to one week

                 2. Opiates (including heroin, opium, morphine, codeine)
                         Detectable Time Period: up to two weeks 

                 3. Methaqualone (Quaaludes)
                         Detectable Time Period: I don't know and 
                         irrelevant as there are few "real" Quaaludes
                         anymore

                 4. Barbituates 
			 I don't know how long it stays in your system
                         but tranquilizers (i.e. Valium, Rohypnol, Xanax)
                         are not checked for!!
              
                 5. Amphetamines (includes Methamphetamine - crank)
                         Detectable Time Period: 2-4 days
                         I think MDMA, also known as XTC, can be found
                         with this test but I'm not sure???

Note that they do not check for LSD or steroids but they do have a test
for them and so they can check for either if requested (this is rare).
Taking Golden Seal and vinegar DOES NOT WORK as two friends were busted 
when smoking dope and using this strategy.  Anything that throws off the
PH of your urine doesn't work on the better gas chromatography tests but
would work on older, cheaper drug tests.  Cocaine stays in for 2-5 days.
Marijuana can stay in for up to a month. But if you just smoke once or twice
a month, then it is detectable for up to a week as there is no build up.
The new cut-off point for THC is 50 ng - it use to be 100 ng for the Army.
One last thing, NEVER give your first piss of the day as this one has the
most chemicals (legal and otherwise) in it.  My strategy was to dilute my
piss as much as possible by drinking a lot of water and giving them my third
or fourth piss of the day.  If anyone has any additional information, it 
would be appreciated.
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl (The Dude)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Nitrous Oxide Dosage
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:39:10 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article <8fG82W600WB3QV0kUm@andrew.cmu.edu>, Bartley writes:

"B> Uh...I think less than three or four cans is sufficient.  On a recent
"B> shopping trip, a friend and I both bought a regular-sized can of
"B> whipped cream (generic, to save a little $$$).  I took a small drag at
"B> first because some whipped cream decided to fly out of the can into
"B> my lungs with the nitrous.  No noticeable effects.  On the second,
"B> much larger drag which I assume finished off the nitrous in the can, I
"B> almost immediately had a "zooming out" effect (like looking through a
"B> telephoto lens while turning it).  My ears rang for about a minute,
"B> and I was quite stunned and couldn't say much except "B-boy, th-this
"B> is weeiird..." In a minute though I felt almost completely normal,
"B> though a little more relaxed than before.

 At a newyears-party I attended, some people had bought a cylinder of 
 laughinggas (about $180 for a full torpedo !). Everybody had lots of
 fun, and yes, some people sucked it in straight from the valve.
 Most of the people, however, were using plastic bags as their private
 container. In large doses (3-5 bags) the effect was very weird:
 I had the "zooming out" effect too, but the weirdest part was the music:
 it was much more intense than I had ever felt it to be.
From: gorrindo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sue Gorrindo)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:46:37 GMT
Subject: Re: DMSO
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.drugs

DMSO is available in most health food stores - they just can't make
any claims as to its healing qualities.

It is used as a cleaning solvent.
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: CBS 48 hours on LSD ;)   BLUE STAR TATTOO!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 03:27:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan6.001042.13022@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>
>So do you have an e-mail address for Kathleen O'Donnell?  
>She ought to look at the alt.folklore.urban archive for the
>last five years if she is interested in the dangers of 
>Blue Star Tattoos.

 Nope, I have had no further contact with her since her phone call to me.
Genesis seemed to imply she was reading postings from the net through him.
What's done is done.  We'll see on Wednesday I guess.

	Brian
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Info on Dextro please!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:55:16 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>I am looking for info on dextro.  If anyone has an experience to share or knows
>of someone who has had experiences with it, could you email me.

dextro == the d-isomer of something, like dextromethorphan, dextrorphanol,
          dextroamphetamine...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the future is now.....)
Subject: Re: freon
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 04:35:25 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, ba@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu said about 'freon':
|
|all this talk about Nitrous Oxide brings a question to mind.  A friend
|of mine was telling me <after many whippits> that he has achived the same
|affects, if not stronger, by inhaling freon from ye old heat pump.  Has
|anyone done this.  I am sure it is bad for you, but HOW bad?  does anyone
|have any info or experience in this area?      
|
|reply via e-mail if you want.
|
|ba@gnu.ai.mit.edu

I don't want to be the Lifestyle Police or anything, but, 5 years ago
a friend's older brother died from this at my high school.  3 years
ago, a friend of mine died from something involving a fire
extinguisher.  So, personally, I've chosen to stay away from inalants
altogether.  I don't have any more specific info regarding to what
extent freon and whatever-else was used, so I can't tell you what a LD
or whatever would be, but..... Anyway, from my own personal FOAF
experiences, inhalants don't seem to be worth it.  What's wrong with
marijuana and stuff....At least you know that you won't die from
direct use of it....

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: jmg20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  911  James Gouldsbury)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Morphine
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: jmg20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: alt


    Does anyone know the effects of coming of Morphine if you were
    an addict of the drug and can it be administered by injection.
            Any info' would be appreciated,
            Thanks.
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From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: looking for information on abortifacents
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: None worth mentioning.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:59:15 GMT

In article <1it2r2INNl1s@hpscit.sc.hp.com> dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.111420.20467@fuug.fi>, an4729@anon.penet.fi writes:
>|> 
>|> Keep in mind that there is NO "safe" method of abortion known to mankind.
>|> No, *not* *one*.
>
>Absolutely true.
>
Sure. There's also no "safe" method for getting out of the shower in
the morning. do you suppose "anon" has a point to make?

>|> They *all* can (and frequently do) have life-threatening
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> complications for the would-have-been mother.
>
>Absolutely, totally false. Abortion by various procedures (the most common
>being D&C) does NOT _frequently_ have life-threatening complications. Such
>complications are extremely rare; so much so, that giving birth has a
>higher mortality rate for the pregnant woman than a first trimester
>abortion. Please get your facts straight, and try not let your emotions
>generate facts that do not exist.
>
Morbidity rates from  D&C and suction (the actual most frequently used
method these days) combined are 8.8 per 1000 abortions, or 0.88%.
Mortality rates from D&C and suction abortions combined are 4.0 per
100,000 abortions or 0.004%. 
Death from delivery is 11 times more likely then death from a first
trimester abortion.
(Sources posted countless times)
I think it's safe to say that those numbers don't qualify as
"frequent". 

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Member, T.S.A.K.C.
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: TOMATOES!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:05:14 GMT

butler@cluster.gps.caltech.edu (Bryan Butler) writes:
: 
: I don't know the details of this story, but all this talk of
: tomatoes reminded me of a story I read in Hoffer and Osmond's
: book, "The Hallucinogenics" (repeated w/o permission from p.
: 525):
: 
: Rouche (1965) reported how a family became self-poisoned with
: atropine (hyoscyamine) from tomatoes.  Tomato plants were grafted on
: to the Jimson weed where they grew well.  Late in 1963 a family of
: 5 people ate these tomatoes.  The tomatoes were later found to contain
: 6.36 mg per tomato.  All five developed deliriod reactions of varying
: intensity and some had to be treated in hospital several days.  This
: seems to be the first known instance of hallucinogenic tomatoes.
: 
: REFERENCE: Rouche, B. (1965). "Annals of Medicine, Something a Little
:    Unusual,", p. 180. The New Yorker
: 
: It's one of the funnier hallucinogen stories I've come across.

Yeah. I think I would want a primary cite. The New Yorker is no more
accurate than any of the other tabeloids.

Bill

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From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: TOMATOES!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:12:39 GMT

mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J Ranum) writes:
>
>	The point was that there was a time when a large global cooling
>took place. That's when Greenland became ungreen as well, I believe.
>Never mind. It's all flat.


  Greenland never was green.  During the age of exploration, whoever (sorry, don`t
  remember exactly who) found both Iceland and Greenland wanted to throw the other
  competing nations off the trail.  So they called the little island that was rich 
  and green Iceland, and they called the frozen waste to the Northwest Greenland.

  >
-- 
Steve Vetter     DISCLAIMER-  The opinions expressed here are not those of
vetter@mtu.edu                my employer,  because I don`t have one yet.  If  
                              you wish for these opinions to be your company's,
Damn it's Cold!!!             or not, send e-mail to :  vetter@mtu.edu 
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:45:12 GMT

In article <1i5rt9INN8e2@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>Aside from buying all the Reddi Whip in Virginia, where do you get 
>it?  Is this something I can look up in the yellow pages and order a bottle
>of.  I'm running out of teeth to get drilled.

Go to a kitchen store (such as Lechter's) and tell them you want to make
your own whipped cream.  Don't tell them you plan to leave the cream out of
the mix.  Plan on spending $30-$40 for the machine and $7 for a box of 10
charging canisters ("chargers").  Each charger is good for about a lungfull.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: winder@iat.holonet.net (Dan Hillman)
Subject: drugs/danger, what's the corollary?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:27:01 GMT

    Drugs aren't illegal because they are dangerous, they're dangerous
because they're illegal. Having said that, let's develop this thought by
slightly complicating the argument by asking "dangerous to whom?"
   With illegal drugs, many people are put at risk via crime, impure
drugs, danger from arrest and subsequent imprisonment/impoverishment,
deterioration of neighborhoods, etc., etc.
   When drugs are legal however, danger (if any) is centered on the user. 
This is confirmed by noting the situation with two current legal drugs,
nicotine and alcohol.  Although cigarette smoking is widely practiced in
the United States, it is a simple matter to avoid the danger inherent in
this practice by not smoking (the dangers of second-hand smoke
notwithstanding). Non-smokers risk no danger from addicts who must commit
crimes to satisfy an expensive habit.  
     Alcohol provides further illustration of this point when one studies
the historical period known as "prohibition."  Within a few years of
enactment Americans saw such unfamiliar sights as vast, violent gangland
empires which manifested as a result of profits on bootleg alcohol. 
Further,  alcohol purity was uncontrolled, resulting in illness and injury
to thousands of users of substances like "rotgut" and wood alcohol, which
caused blindness. 
   After the repeal of prohibition, these public problems diminished,
and once again, the dangers of alcohol became centered on the user himself.  
   It is important to note that this argument is meant in no way to
underestimate the deadly dangers of both alcohol and nicotine.  The point
is that the legality of these substances makes avoidance of the dangers
inherent in them much less difficult for non-users and users alike. 
Non-users avoid the problem of the presence of large-scale criminal
enterprises which rise spontaneously in response to users demands, and
users avoid the complications arising from impure substances. 
    Can the above lesson be applied to the current problem the country
faces with illegal drugs?   It is worth noting that twenty years of "war"
on illegal drugs has enjoyed marginal success at best.  As in prohibition
times, millions of Americans suffer the consequences of the presence of
large numbers of violent criminals who supply illegal substances to users.
Impure drugs are a matter of course to users who expect their purchases
to be "cut" with any number of substances, the only question is "with
what?" and "how much?"
    Perhaps it's time for lawmakers to take a hard look at how much wealth
the war on drugs has already consumed,  and what the prospects are that
further "war" will only serve to the detriment of all people, users and
non-users alike.
-d
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fuck nicotine
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:50:07 GMT
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
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In article <1301300236@igc.apc.org>, ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami) writes:
> 
> Fuck nicotine, fuck, fuck
> 
> Fuck, nicotine, fuck, fuck
> 
> Fuck nicotine, I'm fucked, I'm fucked.
> 
> 3 days
> 
> And this shit is legal?

I bet you're feeling *really* cranky right now.

I did.

(over six months since my last M*rlb*r*)

congratulations from a former two pack a day addict.

max.
mmonningh@igc.org
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cats and LSD
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:58:15 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs


In article <1992Dec30.075934.4336@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|I read somewhere in a reputable source (which I cannot possibly recall)
|that hallucinogens are distinguished from other classes of recreational
|pharmaceuticals (e.g. uppers and downers) by the fact that given a 
|button and a needle which delivers the drug, an animal (e.g. monkey)
|will _not_ repeatedly self administer a hallucinogen.

One of Ronald Siegal's books, _Intoxication_, gives a counter-
example.  

Monkeys kept in darkened cages without any distractions *will*
self-administer hallucinogens.  (In the experiment I'm thinking
of, the monkeys were taught to smoke first, then periodically
given access to smokeable materials in the darkened cage.)  The
book is at home, and I'm not, but I can look up the details if
you like.

---
cj@eno.esd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 
"You can't legislate morality. We tried to outlaw comsumption of 
alcoholic beverages. We found that violation of the law led to bigger 
crimes and bred disrespect for the law."  Jimmy Carter, 1976.
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From: mbrownel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Mark Brownell)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:43:07 GMT

In article <726785207snz@spliff.demon.co.uk>
journeyman@spliff.demon.co.uk (Andy Settle) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.173453.18303@news.cs.indiana.edu>
alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu writes:

>
>That reminds me - didn't Aldous Huxley take LSD-25 with the aid of an
>eye dropper on his death bed, could be another urban myth :-(
>
>-- 
That account is true. His wife administered the final dose. There is a
complete account of the occurence in a compilation book entitled
"Moksha".

Mark B.
From: Mark Nelson <mnelson@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 07 Jan 93 08:32 PST
Subject: Re: The drug dog arrives at LHS
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mnelson    Jan  7 08:32:00 1993


In regards to locker searches, one of the most valuable things I learned in
school was to keep two lockers.  One for your books and anything which might
have your name on it, and another for anything you feel might get you into
trouble.

"No government can ever give you freedom."

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From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Ketamine <Fwd from daniel>
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:38:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.092756.7055@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:

>  Letter from Daniel Emery 2/01/93 :-
>
>  " I wish to pass on some important infomation on using ketamine for  non
>    medical purposes. Anaesthetsts have been treating an alarmingly high
>    number of patients with diazepam to suppress the phenomona of Ketamine
>    anaesthesia (Bizarre dreams / Nightmares and unpleasent hallucinations)
>    A report in SCIENCE shows that co-treatment with diazepam (or a barbiturite
>    also prevents a type of brain damm{age caused by drugs of the ketamie type.

Ketamine, which is a noncompetitive NMDA (N-methyl-D-aspartate)
antagonist, has been studied a lot recently because it, like MK-801
and other NMDA antagonists, protects against glutamate-induced neurotoxicity.
This type of neurotoxicity is probably important in ischemia, and
has been hypothesized to play a role in phenethylamine-induced
axonal degeneration as well.  

 I have read that ketamine induces heat shock protein in damaged cells,
which presumably is not a good thing.  And I also recall a poster at a 
conference which argued that MK-801 induced neurotoxicity on its own.  
However, I'd be surprised if the poster wasn't confused here.  Both diazepam 
and ketamine are generally used to reduce damage in different
animal models of toxicity.

   --M@
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From: rodney@cabot.balltown.cma.com (Rodney Peck)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Balltown Offsite
	<1993Jan7.015658.46177@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:57:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.015658.46177@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

   (Rodney Peck) writes:
   > [...]  It's not so much that people are now
   > inconvenienced by not being able to keep drugs in their lockers, but
   > their civil rights are being violated by an illegal search.  Odds are,
   > there are at least a few students in the school who have nothing to do
   > with any sorts of illegal drugs.  The police, the school, and the dog
   > have no right to bother these students.

   There's no description for the retarded hilariousity I had when I read that.
   In my mind that can be paraphrased "Drivers who obey the speed limit should
   not have to be bothered by the extra traffic of all those police cars"
   give me a break.

No, it's like saying that the police shouldn't be allowed to shut down
a highway and search every car because some people might have something
illegal in their car.  And yes, I do think that that would be wrong also.

Someone mentioned that if the dog was being used to give probable cause,
then the dog search would be reasonable to them.  I disagree since bringing
a dog in _is_ a search already.  It would be just as unreasonable to bring
in an X ray machine and look in everyone's bookbags and then search those
bookbags that have suspicious looking things in them citing the xray as 
probable cause.  The search has already been done when they did the xray.

Rodney


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From: an5709@anon.penet.fi
Subject: LSD cautions
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:46:08 GMT


alyoung@kwi.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>[Tripping] must vary person to person more than I ever imagined,
>or all the bullshit is just that... when I trip, I don't "lose" it.
>I'm logical.  I don't attempt stupid things.  I don't act like I'm
>crazy...Even when I'm tripping, I can't fathom feeling *bad*.

   Same here.  I've never felt a loss of control or had any sort of
negative or frightening experience while tripping.  That includes a
number of fairly heavy situations of the sort that people warn against,
like tripping alone at Lollapalooza this past summer.  Wasn't a problem,
even slamming to Ministry (though I was startled when they introduced
Supernaut, "...a song about a really bad acid trip"--I almost fell over
laughing).  Also tripping with people who didn't know, with anti-drug
people, in public, etc.  Never had trouble maintaining.  Not to say
"Don't worry," of course, but just "Your mileage may vary."
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From: blom@husc15.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Fentanyl and derivatives
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:15:12 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Does anyone know anything (ANYTHING) about fentanyl and its derivatives?

What is fentanyl's structure?

Properties?

Substitution sites?

Eric Blom
Harvard U
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