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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:15:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan8.164315.24061@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides) writes:
> [Lots o'stuff deleted]
> 
> I thought that the keeper of the matrix was ALSO a regeneration of the doctor?
> Obviously between the 6th and the Valeyard.
> 
> Someone previously posted their explanation in which that is the case. This
> made sense because how else did the Valeyard get the key to the matrix?
> Unless he ALREADY had it from an earlier regeneration and no mention was made 
> of him stealing it?
> 
> Elena

The High Council would have given the Valeyard access to the Matrix in order
to adjust the evidence, as was part of their deal.  I'm sure those "qualified"
people had plenty of spare keys without the naive Keeper's knowledge.

I see no reason at all to suspect that the Keeper was either the Doctor or
the Valeyard.  His character isn't at all like either one/both of him/them.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Club listings for the British comp. 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:31:25 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada


As of now, the Clubs Listing entries will look like:

Club's Name:
Mailing Address:
Meeting dates and location:
Membership dues:
Person in Charge:
Known Contact on USEnet:
Year established:
Number of members:
Listing last modified (date):
Club-sanctioned BBS:
Fanzines/ newsletters published
Additional:

So Here we go:

 The Nation:   UK  (London, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland)

    Club's Name: Aberdeen Telefantasy Group
    AMiling Address:  109 Hilton Road, Aberdeen AB2 2HX
    Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, U.K.
    Meeting dates: "forenightly"
    Membership dues: ?
    Known contact on USEnet: ?
    Person in charge: Ian Fraser
    Year established: ?
    Number of members:
    Listing Last modified: ?
    BBSes: ?
    fanzines/newsletters: ?

    Club's Name: Antrim DWAS
    Location:    32 Somerdale Park, Belfast BT14 7HD
    Meeting Dates: ?
    Membership Deus: ?
    Known contact on USEnet: ?
    Persons in charge: Jeremy Briggs & Brian Adams
    Year Established: ?
    Number of members: ?
    Listing last Modified: ?
    BBSes: ?
    fanzines/newsletters: ?

    Club's Name: Croydon DWAS
    Location: Briar Cottage, 97 Hartley Down, Purley, Surrey CR2 4ED
    Meeting Dates: ?
    Membership fees: ?
    Known Contact on USEnet: ?
    Person in charge: Trevor Conrad
    Year Established: ?
    Number of members: ?
    Listing Last modified: ?
    BBSes: ?
    fanzines/magazines: ?

    Club's name: Edinburgh & East Lothians DWAS
    Location: 35 Pinewood Park, Livington, West Lothian EH54 8NN
    Meeting Dates: ?
    Membership fees: ?
    Known COntact on USEnet: ?
    Person in charge: Stuart M. Halliday
    Year established: ?
    Number of members: ?
    Listing Last modified: ?
    BBSes: ?
    fanzines/newsletters: ?

    CLub's Name: North London DWAS
    Location: 1 Granville Court, 6 Granville ROad, Finchley,
              London N12 0HL
    Meeting dates: ?
    Membership Fees: ?
    Known Contact on USEnet: ?
    Person in Charge: David McCambridge
    Year Established: ?
    Number of members: ?
    BBSes: ?
    Listing Last Modified: ?


   Club's Name: Cwmbran Telefantasy society
   Location: 17 Commercial Close, Talywain, Pontypool, Gwent NP4 7JA
   Meeting Dates: Fortnightly
   Membership fees: ?
   Known Contact on USEnet: ?
   Person in charge: Gavin Parfitt
   Year Established: ?
   Number of members: ?
   Listing last modified: ?
   BBSes: ?
   Fanzines/newsletters: ?

  Uniting Whovians via the net,

Pw

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Birthdate: 29 Jan 1969, Redhill, Surrey, England, UK
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From: das0@quads.uchicago.edu (donald andrew smith)
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Reply-To: das0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:34:59 GMT

In article <1ib5kjINNdk7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> keeper@deeptht.armory.com writes:
>
>In article <k0gswB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
>>I thought Susan claimed to be from Gallifrey in the first episode.
>
>
>The name "Gallifrey" wasn't invented until 1973, in `The Time Warrior'.
>
>Susan and the Doctor spoke a few times of their home.  Susan laments for
>it in `The Sensorites'.
>
>I'm not sure what is said in the first episode, as I haven't it on tape.
>
>Anyway, what is said in the pilot is, by Susan: "I was born in the 49th
>century" (that doesn't say anything); by the Doctor: "We are exiles, cut
>off from our own planet by aeons and universes far beyond the reach of
>your most advanced sciences" (that >does< say something).
>
>But I can't remember what the equivalent line is in the `real' version.

The "real" line was :
Ian: "But you're one of us! You look like us! You talk like us..."
Susan: "I was born in another time.. another world..."

Or something very close to that.  While we're on the subject, I think the
"Susan isn't REALLY his Granddaughter" theory is a really cheap attempt to
retroactivly change something that doesn't really fit into the scenario the 
show developed.  If you really *watch* those old shows, there is *no* evidence
to support it.  Even in moments of EXTREME stress, she still says  
"grandfather"... As crazy as it (the Doctor having a wife and children)
may seem in light of how the Doctor's
character developed, I just can't accept this as a plausible explanation.
I can't recall if she *explicity* said they came from the same place,
but she sure as hell didn't say they came from different places.

And as far as human/Time Lord compatability goes, let's not forget Susan's
marriage to the guy in "Dalek Invasion of Earth", shall we?  Boy, that girl
sure does know how to create continuity problems, doesn't she? :-)

Yours,
Don Smith

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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard and The Keeper WAs: The Valeyard's true goals
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:19:29 GMT

dtriplett@udel.edu (Daniel C. Triplett) writes:

>	BTW...  if _The Gallifrey Chronicles_ are to be believed (not that
>I'm implying that they are canon) then a Time Lord could potentialy 
>regenerate an infinite number of times, provided his system remained
>"compatable" to the genetically engineered "virus" that allows them
>to regenerate.  
>	How could one "steal" the remaining regenerations from a Time Lord?

Well I always thought that they would take the future regenerations out
of time and do the 13th regeneration into the stolen regeneration(s).  But
I suppose it could be biological - perhaps their is an organ that keeps
count (so to speak) of regenerations.  In this case the TL would want to
replace his organ with the newer/younger one.  I still like my original
theory better though.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com) 

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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: the valeyard's true goals
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:57:53 GMT

In <1993Jan11.4153.15839@dosgate> dale.clayton@canrem.com (dale clayton) writes:

> Let's look at basics for a minute with one point:
> The Doctor only has twelve regenerations. Insert "incanation" in place
>of "regeneration" and sense and continuity prevail.

Nope - Time Lords have 13 incarnations... Think about it...

Regenerations are the gap between incarnations...
You have 5 fingers, but 4 gaps between them...
Now expand that to 13 fingers, and apart from looking very weird and
being pretty good on the piano ;-) you'll get it...

Sigh... Isn't this a FAQ?

Daniel.
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:49:26 GMT

lizb@banyan.com writes:
>>
>>And as far as human/Time Lord compatability goes, let's not forget Susan's
>>marriage to the guy in "Dalek Invasion of Earth", shall we?  Boy, that girl
>>sure does know how to create continuity problems, doesn't she? :-)

>Well, there's also Leela and Andred (unless you subscribe to the view
>that Andred is just a Gallifreyan, as opposed to a Time Lord, if there's
>any difference).  But physical compatibility doesn't necessarily mean
>genetic compatibility.  A more interesting question is whether Susan
>and/or Leela could have borne children.

>What do you think?  Are there little half-human/half-Time Lords running
>around the galaxy?

Maybe there are little kids running around with only 6 regenerations (half TL)
...or...maybe they're born into adults (since we never see children in 
Gallifrey (in which case, I feel sorry for Susan and Leela (and every other 
female TL)!  :)

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 05:52:04 EST
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:

> Anyway, what is said in the pilot is, by Susan: "I was born in the 49th
> century" (that doesn't say anything); by the Doctor: "We are exiles, cut
> off from our own planet by aeons and universes far beyond the reach of
> your most advanced sciences" (that >does< say something).
> 
> But I can't remember what the equivalent line is in the `real' version.
> I don't suppose it mentions, as this one does, that they were from the
> same planet.
> 
> --
> Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com
> 
> 

It has been a while since I've seen the first episode, but I was almost 
positive Susan spoke of having had some training on her home planet.  It 
was something about when she was explaining what TARDIS meant.
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re:  Adventures in the 1800s
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:09:53 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan7.174413.1@stsci.edu> hagel@stsci.edu writes:
>Kevin, I'd be interested in hearing how you arrived at your dates.

My name isn't Kevin, actually, but the dates are ones mentioned in the
stories either as the current year or the year of a recent event, or
they are an approximated year based on the events taking place in the
story.  They were gathered by myself or the original author of this list,
from whom I obtained the hardcopy.  (He was attempting to form
correspondence between people who ran fanclubs, which I used to try to do.)

Pardon the typing of `1900' instead of `1800', please.

--
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From: dom@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dominic A. Varley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: UK-GOLD Agenda
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:24:47 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University

Hi I'm posting this for a friend, can you reply to him direct.
His email address is rmd@uk.ac.hull.cs

Thanks
	dom

********************************************************************************

UK-GOLD are currently reshowing most of the early Dr Who episodes
does any body have a complete list of what is to be shown?

p.s.

Does anybody know if the Space Museum has been shown, if not why not?
From: lorenh@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Loren Heisey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:51:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Ultimate Episode Guide Upcoming
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho

>    > Well, at last, I've finished a little
>    > Christmas gift for you all, and it
>    > should be coming up on the net soon
>    > after this message. It's an episode
>    > guide, but not just any episode
>    > guide...  this one includes
>    > descriptions of the stories,
>    > something I remember a lot of people
>    > asking for a few weeks ago.
>
>WOW!
>I don't know about anyone else, but for me all i can say is THANKS.

Because of the holidays I missed it. Is it available via ftp or
by the Dr Who Email server?

--
Loren Heisey
Internet: lorenh@hpcvra.cv.hp.com
UUCP    : {decwrl|rutgers|ucbvax}!hplabs!hp-pcd!lorenh
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Colin Baker: recommendations wanted
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:10:12 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu wrote:
>Anyway, here are my ratings, scale of 1 to 10:
>The Ultimate Foe - 10

I can hardly see giving this stupid ending to a decent story a 10 out of 10.
If all stories are rated on a scale of 10, this means this ranks up there with
the top stories. I'm eager to see who agrees with this.

There must have been at least a dozen polls over the last 2 years, someone
dig out the results (i.e. we don't need a new one).

Tom

P.S. Dave, if I put my birth date in a .sig, will I get a lot of mail? Reply
quickly, I'm running out of time. 8-)
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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  The Doctor Who Formula...?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:56:07 GMT




Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu) writes:

>Pertwee is a cross between Scotty (except he _has_ to work "reversing the
polarity" into his technobabble at least twice a story) and a swashbuckling
hero, and he sings Welsh (I think) lullabyes. 
		   ^^^^^


Nope, Scots Gaelic lullabyes.   (I saw Jon P. at a con once and asked!) 


Crystal Hagel
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: INCARNATION!!!!  REALLY! NO ROOM FOR ERROR!  INCARNATION!!!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:13:51 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


I've even checked my video recording again.

Here is THE LINE, and unless you're stone deaf, you cannot argue me out
of this:

The Master says, "There is some evil in all of us Doctor, even you.
The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, 
somewhere between your twelfth and final INCARNATION.  And may I say
you do not improve with age?"

That is it! Period, and Exclamation Point!  

The word IS incarnation, NOT regeneration.  Get it through your thick
skulls!  INCARNATION!  Like being inside a pink flower!  INCARNATION!

Steven.K.Manfred

"Don't you ever get tired with being right," asked Dayna.
"Just with the rest of you being wrong," answered Avon.




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From: mrmuon@next12pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Leena
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:18:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.165753.2369@eskimo.com> chips@eskimo.com (:crp:)  
writes:
> Is Leena human or another type of humanoid? From the show that  
introduced
> her I thought she was a type of humanoid whose technology regressed  
since
> the time of a crash of several astronauts and her real time was around
> 5000 bc earth time. I did not see the show where the Doctor originally  
meets
> the astronauts decendents.		Thanks.

That's Leela, and she is definitely human as in "The Talons of Weng  
Chiang" the Doctor takes her to a theater in Victorian England to see how  
her ancestors enjoyed themselves.
The adventure in which the Doctor originally repaired the Mordee  
expedition's computer was not an actual television story but an incident  
that presumably occured sometime between the Doctor's last regeneration  
and his arrival on Leela's planet. Different people presume it to have  
happened at different times. 
I'm not sure where you get the 5000 BC figure but "the Face of Evil"  
definitely took place well into our future.

--
Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu
"Drop your weapons or I'll kill him with this deadly jelly baby!"
         - Dr 4, "the Face of Evil"
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Caves of Androzani -- tape request
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:24:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

My local station recently played this, which is one of my favorites, and I
missed it. I would if someone (preferably someone who taped it in SP) would
be willing to trade a copy of it for:
Ren & Stimpy (I have nearly everything)
The Simpsons     ditto
Young Ones, Blackadder (I, III, II)
some 5th doctor stories 

-- 
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I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:35:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
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In article <memo.850017@cix.compulink.co.uk> rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray  
Communications) writes:
> In-Reply-To: <1993Jan7.163030.588@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
> > The Doctor had a particular interest in
> > popping over to Lord's Cricket Ground whilst there to see a few
> > overs and wondered if the Lion would be bowling. 
> The only famous cricketter of this time, to my knowledge, was the 
> great W.G.Grace. I do not know if he was nicknamed "The Lion" but it 
> wouldn't surprise me.

I may be mistaken, but wasn't W.G. Grace known as 'the master'?
(I think this is referred to in 'Black Orchid')

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman
..I'm very dangerous when I don't know what I'm doing.
      -The Doctor, in "Destiny of the Daleks"
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Leena
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:28:08 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
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From: chips@eskimo.com (:crp:)
Subject: Leena
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:57:53 GMT

>Is Leena human or another type of humanoid? From the show that introduced
>her I thought she was a type of humanoid whose technology regressed since
>the time of a crash of several astronauts and her real time was around
>5000 bc earth time. I did not see the show where the Doctor originally meets
>the astronauts decendents.Thanks.

If I recall correctly she is human, a decendant of the astronauts that
crashed on the planet (hence, Leela of the tribe Sevateam *Servay Team*)
so she is human.  I don't know where the figure of 5000bc comes from,
but Leela and her people warship this computer which makes itself look
like the Fourth Doctor.

-=Road Warrior=-
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From: bmedley@hounix.org (Bert Medley)
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:53:55 GMT

In article <torresce.726504566@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto) writes:
>
>Maybe there are little kids running around with only 6 regenerations (half TL)
>...or...maybe they're born into adults (since we never see children in 
>Gallifrey (in which case, I feel sorry for Susan and Leela (and every other 
>female TL)!  :)
>
>	Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>

I thought the Elixir of Life had something to do with being a TL also?
[Morbius' Brain]

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From: Simon Jerram<EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Constants a Movie should observe
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:53:58 GMT
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>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

==============================================================================
The movie should try to keep with the spirit of the program, and most of the
major points ie galifrey, time lords, regeneration.  The TARDIS should at some
point appear as a police box, the console room should have a console and
roundels but not necesarily be sexacly the same as the junked design.
(See DWM).  Oh and there should be naf lines about the external aperance, and
it being bigger on the inside.

Si
From: jimmy@pyra.co.uk (Jimmy Aitken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Genesis on 2 channels (was Re: UK-GOLD Agenda)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: jimmy@pyramid.com (Jimmy Aitken)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

In <C0H70J.83H@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:

>In article 3351@ucl-cs.uucp, G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts) writes:
>>
>>The big surprise for next week is that UK Gold will show The Genesis
>>of the Daleks (according to both the Radio & TV Times). This will mean
>>a jump to the Tom Baker era and the showing of a Dalek story.
>>
>>Graham
>>G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs
>>
>Wrong. Genesis is to be shown on BBC2 in the Friday evening slot, following
>on from The Daemons shown late last year. As far as I know, UK Gold is to 
>continue showing the oldies (for the time being at least).


Nope.  Accroding to Radio Times. UK Gold will be showing Genesis of the Daleks
that week in four(!) parts of 30 minutes each.  Wierd isn't it?  At least they
wont clash....

Jimmy
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From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:37:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I thought he first got it in "The Visitation", in the barn while talking
to Richard Mace as I remember. (It's the only story from that season my
dad still has on tape so I have watched it quite a lot). I dunno, he may
have got it first in "Castrovalva" and just replaced it in "Visitation"

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