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From: lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:05:19 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Oct15.115031.4253@ugle.unit.no> hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no
(Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
 > 	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..

Isn't "vest" just an older spelling of "v{st," from the days before
standardized spelling?  You can see lots of examples of "e" being used where we
now use "{" on old gravestones, in old documents, and so on.
("{" = a with two dots)
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   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . The nice thing about standards  . . . .
  . . . .lchoqu@cs.utah.edu . . . .  is there are so many to choose from. .
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: odin@valhall.se (Odin the oneeyed)
Subject: Re: Vikings and Green Beads
Reply-To: odin@valhall.se
Organization: Home of the vikings and their gods, Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:54:19 GMT

In article 5585@eua.ericsson.se, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:
>Steinar Bang writes:
>>John S. Robertson writes:
>
>>>This might sound like a strange request,
>>>... but I was wondering if anyone out there ever heard of Vikings
>>>wearing green beads in their hair.
>
>>No, it would clash with their horns...
>
>Therefore, they had them in their beards, and let them clash with their
>belts. Actually, they had green beads on the right side and red beads on
>the left side. This helped them to navigate on their long longship
>journeys.
>
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>


No,no,no...... They had a green bead in their left ear and a red one in the right ear.
This helped them to stand the noise of the stormy atlantic ocean.
I still can't get my red bead out......

	Odin
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:08:55 GMT
	<1992Oct7.122442.7919@jyu.fi> <1992Oct8.084959.11495@ousrvr.oulu.fi>
	<1992Oct8.131733.19637@ugle.unit.no>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Helge" == Helge Hafting (hafting@Lise.Unit.NO)

Helge> I find it strange that anyone converts into another religion at
Helge> all.  After all, if one is serios about religion, religion is
Helge> something one really believes in, it is not a matter of
Helge> "choosing".  Perhaps people that convert arent really serious
Helge> about religion, they just convert because it is convenient?

Well, there are all these stories of God (or whatever) suddenly
appearing before people and talking to them and so on.

True, a conversion is a very important move and not something people
do easily. To me it is a complete mystery what goes on in the mind of
a religious person, but I can understand that one might in fact come
to believe in some religion. One could argue, I guess, that it is in
general a weak believer in religion A that converts to religion B.

As has been pointed out before, these people that become Moslems might
not have been religious to begin with. I know a few people that has
become *very* christian all of a sudden -- they where not religious at
all before their sudden "conversion".

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
From: lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:09:20 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
 > The MOOMINTROLL series currently on Japanese TV is actually the _second_
 > one based on Jansson's characters

euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
 > Actually, there have been no less than two TV adaptions of the Moomins,
 > that predate both of these. Both were non-animated, i e they featured
 > actors in costumes (...)

Someone apparently forgot about the earlier series:

    The Finnish-born producer, Dennis Livson, had for many years nurtured a
    dream of bringing Moomin to TV viewers around the world, but Tove
    Jansson was very much against it.  She felt strongly that television
    was wonderful, but dangerous.  It is well known that children today
    watch a lot more TV and read far fewer books than the children of
    yesterday.  Tove realized this and eventually changed her mind, finally
    agreeing to have the Moomin series produced for TV (talking about this
    latest series), if her conditions were met (supervision by Tove and
    Lars) in case the Japanese were not true to authentic "Moominism"!

    Tove (...) is very pleased that she finally gave the TV series the
    "go-ahead" signal.  She thinks it is beautifully and artistically made
    and feels the Moomin philosophy has been preserved intact.
					(Scandinavian Review, Autumn 1992)

So, did Tove not approve the earlier series, or did the reporter for the Review
not do her homework?

Thanks to everyone for your great follow-ups!

kimmel@cortex.sai.vtt.fi (Jyrki Kimmel) writes:
 > Best greetings to Lee from the first blizzards in Finland!

Best greetings to Jyrki from the haunted houses and local political battles in
Utah.  Just think, if you were still here, you could be walking around right
now without a coat.  (That must be why I caught this cold. :-)
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   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . We're going to keep having these  . . .
  . . . .lchoqu@cs.utah.edu . . . . . meetings until we find out why  . . .
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . nothing is getting done . . . . .
From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Denmark
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18


3BJ>                                                                 3
3BJ>   Denmark is a funny country.                                   3
3BJ>                                                                 3
3BJ>   There is a Danish nazi that has divorced his wife to marry a
palestinian3
3BJ> refugee.                                                        3
3BJ>                                                                 3
TMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM>

What's funny about that?
At least they can agree about what to do with the jews.
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vikings and Green Beads
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:53:07 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct6.125251.1003@yvax.byu.edu> robrtsnj@yvax.byu.edu (John S. Robertson) writes:
>This might sound like a strange request, but I was wondering if anyone
>out there ever heard of Vikings wearing green beads in their hair.

  Only after eating green peas:)

>John Robertson

-bertil-
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"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:26:39 GMT
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Distribution: soc
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <14963@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>  Before everybody jumps on me here, I'll vage to point out that the above is
>a conglomerate of (almost) everything I find bad about religion, taken from 
>several sects and religions: For example, I do *not* claim that Islam is
>hyper authoritarian and think that brainwashing is better than thinking, those 
>two characteristicts fit better in on the load of crazy sects like the 
>moonies or the scientologists.

I've heard that the fundamentalist tendency in Islam is rather new, and 
that it used to be a less "mad" religion. For instance, "jihad" is 
supposed to "really" mean an effort (of any kind) to aid your religion. 
Specifically, to force someone to adopt Islam against that person's will 
would not be jihad. But nowadays it looks like jihad just means "holy 
war" of the most brutal and mindless kind. "Det var b{ttre f|rr!"

Tomas
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            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:29:06 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <2625.312.uupcb@thcave.no> bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli) writes:
>3BJ>   There is a Danish nazi that has divorced his wife to marry a
>palestinian3
>3BJ> refugee.                                                        3
>
>What's funny about that?

  All nazis I've ever seen are racists as well as anti-semites, so in a way 
this reminds me about FW DeKlerks (at one time probable) daughter-in-law.

> * MegaMail 2.10 #0:Internet: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no

-bertil-
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"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
		"Revive the Swedish-Madagascan Brigand Pact!"
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark mm
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:32:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.prets.cats
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct12.190032.18120@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Arthur Sparrendahl) writes:
>	EXTRA!	Jag har utfunderat hemligeten. Paa skinheads va"xer haaret inaat.
>		Detta omo"jliggo"r klippning varfo"r det snart inte finns plats 
>		fo"r annat a"n haar.

  Translation: "Extra! I've figured out the secret. On skinheads the hair grows
		inwards. This makes cutting it impossible and soon there is no
		space for enything but hair."

  Cats on the other hand are so hairy that it grows both inwards and outwards.
But they still have room for larger brains than the skinheads, since they
puke up the hair regularly:)

>Arthur

-bertil-
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"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.163819.10139@hellgate.utah.edu>, lchoqu%asylum (Lee Choquette) writes:
>The 78-episode series cost USD four million to make under the direct
>supervision of Tove and her brother Lars, who does the Moomintroll comic strip.
>According to the article, it's now one of the most popular shows in Japan,
>where it was made and premiered.

Well, if I don't remember wrong the episodes show a copyright notice
for 1990, so it's not quite new.  (the series is showing on Finnish TV).

>It has been sold to more than 100 countries
>and "may be coming to American television screens this fall."  Tove Jansson
>thinks the series is well made, although she did have some violence cut.

Nah, probably not - Muumipeikko and Niiskuneiti sleeping together on
many occasions, malformed families, several anti-economy messages
(against a hotel to be built in the Moominvalley), the police officer
is made fun of in some episodes - they can't show stuff like that to
kids in USA.  Would definitively send all kinds of wrong messages.
Perhaps heavily edited, but I'm not sure the Janssons would OK
equipping the Moomintrolls with machine guns with which to resque the
witch's granddaughter from the evil witchcraft and drugs the witch is
cooking in her cabin.

Besides, picture Clinton in 1994 having a State of the Union speech
saying: "The typical American family is definitively more like the
Simpsons than the Moomintroll family".  Nah, can't have that happening
- that would be too much to swallow as the series is of Japanese
origin for a big part.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:16:31 GMT

tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare H. Pettersson) writes:

>  Most swedes can't speak at all...I mean, why is it that every time
>a swedish foreign minister, or say the king, makes a statement in
>English, that everyone blushes?

You probably have never heard Finnish foreign minister Paavo Va"yrynen
speak English.

>As for finnish, I wouldn't consider that noise they make in Finland a
>language.

Would you consider that noise a means of communication?

Well, Finns, at least, are capable of being silent in two languages.

Janne Kivela"
      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard The Horrible)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Reply-To: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Organization: Division of Marine Engineering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.080921.4041@jyu.fi>, sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen) writes:
|> In article <ksand-091092102039@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
|> >Hi, took some time before I got the latest number of Vestkusten, the
|> >magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
|> > ...
|> 
|> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!
|> 

	???? In norwegian it would be "Vest-kysten" (note the "y").

	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..

	Hallvard (the horrible)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: muchow@zebo.network.com (Jim Muchow)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:22:12 GMT

In article <14956@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>
>>Just as s Swede talks just like he just had 6 Carlsberg Elephant.
>
>  It is well known that if a drunken Dane staggers around in K|penhavn all
>the non-drunken Danes will point at him and say 'Bloody Swedes! going here
>and making a nuisance out of themselves!'.
>

Aah, but drunken Danes wouldn't be making a nuisance of themselves. That's
how you tell the difference.

Jim Muchow - heh
From: minow@Apple.COM (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: M.A.Nummenen(spesific) Finnish music(in general)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:04:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


jaaw@itk.unit.no (Jan Aage Walseth) asks about that extraordinary Finnish
artist, M. A. Nuuminen. An amazing talent. If you find his records, make
sure you listen to his rendition of "La Donna E Mobile" accompanied by
street piano (accordian). The liner notes were never so true: "A Lied
must be sung in its original language, even if it is sung badly."

Other classic Nuuminen works include his rock version of a Sex Education
textbook, as well as "Kekkonen Rock."

M. A. Nuuminen, to misquote Professor Peter Schikele, clearly shows the
value of a sound musical education.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
From: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: EEA
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:09:04 -0500
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: bjorn.kvisli@thcave.no (Bjorn Kvisli)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



On Friday October 16, the Norwegian parliament (Stortinget) will
decide wether Norway shall join the European Economic Area
(EEA).

It is believed that the proposal to join will receive enough votes
to be adopted. In such cases, when the country must give up some of
it sovereignity to join a supranational association, our
constitution requires a 3/4 majority in Stortinget.

EEA is designed to give Norway and other countries en the European
Free Trade Association (EFTA) a place in the free market that the
European Community will establish in 1993.

Bjorn.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:36:54 GMT


In article <FISCHER.92Oct10065809@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>
>What I don't understand, then, is why this need to believe all kinds
>of stuff? Why replace christianity with something else? Are we seeing
>the effects of the secondary oral society, or is this just a random
>fluctuation?

 There's a yearning for mysticism and the irrational in most of us. The
purely rational, scientific worldview just isn't satisfactory - no matter
how logical it is. When the longing for irrational takes a form, it comes
out as either religion or art... which can be very close to each other
at times. I don't think this will ever change, no matter how literary the
society is... it'll just take new forms.

 Why replace christianity? Well, it's a very authoritarian religion, very
dogmatic, quite patriarchaic, gives little room for free thinking, stresses
moral values of which some have become 'old-fashioned' so to speak, still
clings to the fairy-tales of creation as presented in the bible, and has the 
heavy burden of it's 2000 year history of crusades, witch-hunts and other 
terrible crimes. I guess this would be reason enough for many to wash their 
hands clean of christianity.

 What we're seeing now is a turning point - christianity will most probably
give way to something, but that something hasn't taken shape yet. I agree that
most of these new religions are downright stupid, and as dogmatic as chris-
tianity is, but I do have sympathy towards some of them: there are groups that
are very non-dogmatic, unauthoritarian and based on experiencing the mystical,
the shamanistic. One doesn't have to believe in any supernatural being, god, 
force, creation myth, salvation or any of the things usually connected with 
revelationary religions (christianity, islam, buddhism) - this may not sound 
like a 'real' religion, with no blind faith needed, but remember that the 
ethnic religions that were dominant before the rise of the revelationary reli-
gions functioned just like this. I'm quite fascinated by the combination of 
intellectual freedom and sacred experience made possible by these groups, and 
if I ever came to choose a religion (yes, choose. "Seeing the light" is an 
element of the revelationary religions), it would probably be something like 
this. But this is getting past the topic...

--
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stel@purkki.apu.fi		====== =======
mtf@saha.hut.fi			 TUNNE ITSESI
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Summary: Sekularisera Mera!
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:47:28 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct7.153623.8104@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>Are you sure they convert from christianity? In Sweden, most bishops
>are marxist, and only a few percent of the population beleive in the
>christian god.

  Sweden, the home of apatheism :)

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>        (_/_ _  _  _/) _  . /)     / ) , _/)     _
>       __/ _/(_(/_(/__/(_/_/Z_    (_/_/)_/__/))_(I_/)_

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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Oct9.105522.440@alf.uib.no>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:55:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.105522.440@alf.uib.no> fredrikm@ii.uib.no writes:
   Personaly I am going to miss Fornebu because of its unique location just 
   15 minutes outside Oslo. It made traveling to Oslo easy. When Gardemoen is
   ready one will have to take a (rapid) train to get from the airport
   to central Oslo. This is going to add to the time one spends travelling. 

   I believe Sweden recently reopened Bromma to avoid this kind of a situation?

Not really. For one thing, Bromma has never been closed. (except
during the nights :-) It has a large amount of general aviation
traffic, and was the second busiest airport in Sweden even before the
recent increase in scheduled traffic.

In the beginning of the eighties, Linjeflyg (the major domestic
carrier) moved all its flights from Bromma to Arlanda. Most other
domestic airlines moved with it, to take advantage of Arlanda as a
domestic hub airport. This became a completely unexpected success and
traffic growth exceeded all forecasts.

However, not all airlines moved to Arlanda. There has always been a
small amount of scheduled air traffic at Bromma. The recent change was
to allow more scheduled flights to the airport. That decision was part
of the deregulation of scheduled air traffic in Sweden.

There are strict noise limits for Bromma, and the airport is already
filled almost to (noise) capacity with scheduled traffic.
--
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Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Vikings and Green Beads
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:38:14 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Oct7.121138.5585@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se
(Fredrik stman) wrote:
> >>... but I was wondering if anyone out there ever heard of Vikings
> >>wearing green beads in their hair.

> Therefore, they had them in their beards, and let them clash with their
> belts. Actually, they had green beads on the right side and red beads on
> the left side. This helped them to navigate on their long longship
> journeys.

They stole this idea from holy men they encountered in India, which
by the way they conquered (a lot of people don't know this fact).

Kent
	Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
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