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From: c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it)
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:00:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.212801.3409@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> awalsh@mta.ca writes:
>The second Professor X entered the room introducing the newest 
>X-Man, Bishop, I saw that as a direct link to the traitor line. 
>BIshop will not do it intentionally, it will be inadvertant.
>In the heat of battle, he'll start mowing down civilians like
>he used to in the old days (future days?) It's probably the
>reason they dedicated an entire issue to that side of his 
>personality, so we could see it coming. 
>
Bishop never DID mow down civilians in his own time.  As he said
himself, in his time there were never any civilians around or any
time they saw mutants around, they bailed.  That is why he just lets
his guns blaze at anything in site.  Also, everything was run down in
his time so he didn't have to worry about property.
In that very issue which showed his "destructive" side, when Bishop 
almost killed some of the bystanders, he began to realize that his methods
were too X-treme for this time.

>	If it's not Bishop, it won't be an X-Man at all, but either
>someone posing as an X-Man, or a possessed one. Can't have a liked
>character as the traitor now, can we? 
>
>	One thing I forgot to mention... Bishop's mowing down the
>civilians will set the tide of public opinion even more against 
>mutantkind, maybe even starting up the sentinels program. My God,
>that's it! Bishop will start the series of events that leads to his
>timeline, thereby becoming a traitor to Professor X's dream.
>
Ooooohh!! I just read something VERY interesting in UX-men #283.  On page
3 last panel, when Bishop finds out that Fitzroy's portal is only one way
he says, and this is a quote:
	 "Fitzroy, you bloody fool!  You can't do this! This isn't what
	  happened!  And what I must now do to correct your insanity...
	  the blood I must spill... is all on your head!"

What does he mean by this isn't what happened?  This adds a whole lot more
to this Traitor thread than I can think about right now at the moment.
Maybe, Gambit is the traitor.  He thought that the X-men were too wimpy,
with their no-killing ideals and all, and decided to begin the team anew
trained with his own ideals.  But then that wouldn't explain why Bishop went
after Gambit, when he recognized him as Lebeau/witness.  Now i'm confused.

		About to be doing a whole lot of reading,

Mikel B.

>		Well that's all IMHO, anyway.
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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:08:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.105810.2382@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> you write:
>
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Interesting theory, and I tend to like it.  But, did you
consider the fact that Claremont has left the X-Men?  


--The Rook
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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: PEOPLE: Ron Randall (was McReviews: Justice League Europe)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:23:42 GMT

Mickey McCarter (mccarter@pecan.udel.edu) writes:

>Title:  Justice League Europe #38

[Review deleted.  Mickey thought more of this issue than I do.]

>In addition, the artist, Ron Randall (where did this guy come from?),
>is fairly good.

Big Two readers are apt to be most familiar with him from Dragonlance.  He also
did the Me and Joe Priest graphic novel from DC (circa 1985), and the highly
acclaimed Trekker series from Dark Horse.

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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Subject: Piranha comics editorial plans for '92
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:15:11 GMT

The following information was obtained from the DC Editorial Presentation
book for '92. It was produced for distributors and dealers, and this should
be kept in mind where I quote some of the hype/marketing direction for some
items. Books are spoiled in various levels of detail, usually just future
guest stars and general plot directions, so the meat is after a ^L

This post deals with upcoming books from Piranha Press. There aren't any
spoilers, just descriptions and creative teams.

TELL ME, DARK is an 80 page hardcover gn by Karl Edward Wagner with art
(I'm infering painted although it doesn't explicitly say so) by Kent Williams.
It's due in July.

BONEHEADS IN GHOST TOWN is from Piranha by Dean Motter and Lou Stathis and
is the story of a fictional rock'n'roll band with a fair amount of Mexican
mysticism. It'll be in a new "Piranha format" of 6 x 9 inches in black and
white with limited color tones. 4th quarter.

BROOKLYN DREAMS is by J.M. DeMatteis and Glenn Barr. In the Piranha format,
it's a four issue mini- in the fourth quarter of the year. Barr is a
storyboard artist for Ren & Stimpy. It's about a man looking back on
growing up dysfunctionally in 1970s' Brooklyn.

FAST FORWARD is a 3 issue Piranha prestige format series in 4th quarter.
It's an anthology title with work by Kyle Baker, Steve Purcell, Dave
McKean, Grant Morrison, Dean Motter, Brian Stelfreeze, Sam Kieth and others.

GREGORY will have two new prestige format b&w books out, one during late
'92 and one in early '93. In the second one, Gregory is placed with a
dysfunctional foster family. But he's accompanied by Herman Vermin.

HIP HOP PAPERS is a 160 page Piranha format book written and with art 
by New York graffiti artist Chris Pape and appears to be autobiographical.

PIRANHA MUSIC is a series of comics in the prestige format produced in
concert with rap, heavy metal, and rock musicians. First up will be
a 3 parter ICE T's PLAYERS co-written by Andy Helfer and Ice-T, with
art by Trevor Von Eeden. Scheduled for 4th quarter...also the Brian
Bolland cover of the Prince comic will be used as the sleeve art for
an upcoming Prince single.

SKIN BRACE is by Robert Morales and Lou Stathis with art by Kyle Baker.
It's intended as an adult oriented sf story and will be a 6 issue series
when it's scheduled.

THIS YEAR'S GIRL is about two assassin sisters and will be a 3 issue 
prestige format series by David Quinn (Faust) and Brian Stelfreeze.
It's unscheduled.

TREE OF LIFE is a 4 issue unscheduled series by Elliot Maggin and Randy
DuBurke which is an sf story about faith with a focus on Judaism. 

"This must be the Red Sox' year. Statistics of the last 75 years prove that
the Sox always win the World Series one year after a Russian revolution."
  --Dan Shaughnessy
tyg  tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Xmen Tarot Cards
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9204070132.AA01438

Never having been a great fan of merchandising, I'm growing extremely tired with
the repetitive nature of the products the companies produce, both as promotional
and additional material. I refuse to collect the trading cards, I hate mutliple
cover formats, and I loath those tacky little holograms.

However, what I _would_ like to see would be something original (I think :).
How about an Xmen tarot deck? The X-Tarot (but of course)! Personally, I'd love
to see Bill Scienkwicz (sp?) paint 'em, but that's hoping for a bit too much
I suppose. It would be great though, his dark style would suit the atmosphere
brilliantly.


Matthew T
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 12:01:54 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
 <1992Apr9.123548.12658@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

In article <1992Apr9.123548.12658@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(SCAVENGER) says:
>
>I personally now think that the judas will be DARK LEECH.

There's enough second guessing going on for me to say that if Dark Leech is a
contender, then Caliban could be too. He was a member of X-Factor for a short
while before Apocolypse tainted him, so that would fit under Jean's statement
that they should not have accepted someone into the group who they knew so
little about. I doubt it's him, but I suppose it could work. I'm beginning to
think it will nobody. If it ain't Bishop, as the post about the toys suggests,
I don't know who it could plausibly be in the current line-up. (Gambit is too
obvious a choice; it won't be him).
--BJP
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:58:15 -0400 
From: Michael Paul Errante <me1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
	<1992Apr10.170513.3653@news.cs.brandeis.edu>


Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 10-Apr-92 Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
BANE@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (914)

> 	The problem with Warpath has nothing to do with how he'd being drawn;
> that's the _result_ of the real problem. The real problem is that Liefield
> has NO IDEA what Warpath's powers really are.
> 	Warpath, when he was Thunderbird II, had the same powers as his brother
> John, the original Thunderbird. These included enhanced strength, stamina,
> and speed, putting him on a physical par with folks like Captain America.
> Now Liefield's gotten it into his head that James's power is that he's just
> continually getting bigger and stronger, putting him on a physical par with
> folks like the Juggernaut. I, for one, do NOT buy it.
> 	Lately there seems to be a trend in comics to want to ignore the past,
> rather than build on it. (Like Magneto necessarily being evil, or Xavier 
> unable to walk.) Character *development*? What's that? Magneto was NICE?
> Xavier WALKED? Never! It *couldn't* have happened!


Yeah well I don't thnk that Liefield ignored the powers, for I never
really saw any explanation for them.  Even if there was he would have
been a teen and with just manifestedd powers a little change is
resonable.  Maybe Warpath learned how to increase his size and strength
after we learned of him at first.  I don't know.  There is a lot of
things i dont know about the marvel universe that haven't been
explained.  And you know what i don' mind, why cause it's fiction, a
couple of holes here and there are OK.

And about Magneto being evil,  he wasn't evil just because the X-Men
were against him, he wanted to be left alone bet the Acolaytes just
didn't let him, then the X-Men got dragged in, and Mags went for some
revenge on Moria, and used her friends as part of the plot to mak eit
worse for her.

And Xavier realizes his place is not out in the field which is where he
would be if could walk.  Besides his combat leadership expertise is far
outweighed by Cyclops and Storm.  So back at the mansion, watching
everything telepathically is a good place.  'Sides you wouldn't want to
leave forge all alone.
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Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
From: hearn1@husc8.harvard.edu (Taryn Hearn)
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:40:29 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center   The most annoying phrase I always noticed was Claremont's "we all of us."
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Subject: Re: adamantium	-IT CAN BE BROKEN!!
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:03:29 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <11282@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, 
   albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

> 	That is what they call at Marvel, "Secondary Adamantium." 
> (see assorted OHOTMU's for details).  It's a wimpy-downstream version
> of Adamantium mad scientists use when they want to put adamantium all
> over a huge surface (like nefarious villain hideouts).  It's cheaper
> and easier to make than Real Adamantium, but you can use it like
> aluminium siding.  Marvel probably came up with it when they realized that
> if adamantium is so rare and expensive, then how could villains get ahold
> of enough to coat a dome over their HQ.
> 

It seems to me that villains (or whoever) don't need _much_ adamantium.
I mean, unbreakable is unbreakable, right?
Can't you just, say spraypaint with it?

For that matter, Wolverine's bones are described as 'laced' with it (contrary
to John Byrne's drawing of the blasted skeleton in the future, which looks
more 'robotty'), and 'lace' it could be.  If it's unbreakable, a thin wire
running along the bone, with maybe a cap/cup at the joint should be sufficient.
His bones would get crushed by impacts, but then you avoid the medical problems
of having no real bone:  no white blood cells.  Besides, he heals fast.

Please take the last paragraph with a big :^P
I don't believe any of it.

John Byrne was asked at a convention: "How does Thor fly by throwing his
hammer ahead of him?"  His reply: "Two words:  COMIC  BOOK"

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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Project: Pegasus
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:22:59 GMT

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Nice .sig....  :(  

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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Matt Wagner's LotDK #28-30
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:27:49 GMT

kesidis@moonlight.berkeley.edu  writes:
> IMHO, an excellent story. I loved the ending where the two two-faces met.
> Wagner draws a truly hideous two-face. 
> Highly recommended fair even if you don't like Wagner's art.
> Anybody know what he'll be doing next?
> gk

Hopefully that ol' Mage II will be coming out any day now.  I
too enjoyed his LotDK storyline and his art as well.  But I'm
biased.
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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: EPIC: Sam and Max
Organization: Aardvark Comment Sucks Club
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:34:58 GMT


         Okay, so I went to pick up the Sam and Max Go to the Moon Dirtbag
    (what a mouthfull!) I wanted to see what Sam and Max are like and I
    only have one question: where can I get more???? 

         Maybe this says more about me than I'd want revealed if I were to
    run for president, but I thought it was great! I haven't laughed so
    much since Milk and Cheese #1!!

         I want more!!!!
-- 
    Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov
    I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
    "So let me get this straight. We can breathe here then?"
    "I guess those candy-butt astronauts didn't have the stones to try it."
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Griffin - to be continued?
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:15:59 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

> As much as I enjoyed it, I'm not surprised at the low sales.  The book
> retailed at $4.95!  To get the whole series it was $30.  If they had
> marketed it any other way than Presitge Format, then DC would probably
> have sold more copies.

Agreed.

This is DC's biggest fault.  It tends to put out high priced books
not realizing that the books actually decrease sales in other books
due to feeling regarding over pricing.

The Titans and the LSH are no where near their previous level of
excellance and do not merit such high priced format books.

The Titans and the LSH used to be a big draw into DC comics
(I frequently loan my legions to other comic readers to get them
interested in DC comics).

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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: random long comments
Date: 6 Apr 1992 17:44:19 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Mar30.232255.1@amherst.edu> dethomas@amherst.edu (The Human Torch) writes:
>
>> Sandman:  I'd like to see this JSA hero return.  I'd like to see Gaiman do
>> something with that in his title as the character hs already been mentioned
>> with some importance.  The hero is an interesting concept with potential.
>
>Hey for a minute there, I was about to yell about the Kirby Sandman, (he made
>an appearance sometime during the current Sandman run didn't he?) and all of a
>sudden I remembered the "golden age" Sandman. What did happen to him with all
>these JSA types coming back? 

	The Kirby Sandman appeared in the Doll's House arc.  Well,
actually, the guy who took over after the Kirby Sandman committed 
suicide appeared.  

	The golden age Sandman is in Ragnarok with the JSA.  Before
he went in, he had suffered a stroke, and needed either a wheelchair
or a cane (I forget).  When the new JSA series starts up, he'll be
one of the members.

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Comic Code Authority
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr15.184808.4785
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:

>I think it's only a suggestion.  I'm 18 now and I've been buying  
>Hellblazer, Sandman, Shade etc. since they first started.  If anyone had  
>said to me, "Hey, kid, you wanna buy that comic?  Show me some I.D."  I  
>would have laughed in their face and gone to another store.

>Interestingly enough, DC's mature titles subscription ad says that you  
>have to be 19 or older in order to buy it.

	Interestingly enough, a comic shop here, Fantasy Realm, _will_ ask you
for an ID if you try and buy some of their titles, and they will tell you so...

	Yeah, I think it's silly, but I'm 20...

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From: ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott N Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:18:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

>>>>> On 15 Apr 92 02:00:58 GMT, campbell3789@iscsvax.uni.edu said:

campbell3789> WHO'S YOUR FAVORITE JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL MEMBER?
campbell3789> MINE IS GUY GARDNER.  LET ME HEAR YOU CHOICES.

Well if you don't know already Guy is going to loose his ring in GL#25
and will have his own 4 issue mini-series. It looks like he turns into
Rambo with all kind of wepons straped to his body.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 13:29:48 EDT
From: BIG ED <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: SpiderMan Movie??????
 <1992Apr16.202126.1635@lmpsbbs.mot.com>

      I was just in the local comic shop here, and I overheard that the actor
 that played Ted in Bill and Ted's bogus sequels and in Point Break, was
 rumoured to be playing Spidey in his upcoming film.
      Also, I heard that Stan Lee said the Black suit might make an appearance,
 maybe even for most of the movie, but the traditional duds would have to be
 in it for at least a shot or two, since it is Spidey's trademark. Any other
 info on this?

                                     -Ed

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From: poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:44:37 GMT
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What about Colossus' brother Mikhail.  He is still living in the
Mansion right...and his power is to release energy right.


So, wouldn't that be a likely person after all he is already inside
the Mansions Defenses...and who knows for sure if he is the brother
we've seen other imposters....etc.



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