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From: mikeq@sequent.com (Mike Quillen)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:08:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.120117.2382@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu>, michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>> 	That's enough for now.  BTW, I am rather disappointed in the sites
>> chosen for DCI finals.  Jackson, Mississippi?  Jacksonville, Florida?
>> Sheesh, I never knew these cities were ever interested in drum corps let
>> alone have some.  I just feel that the Board of Directors should have
>> considered things other than the 'great' deals that these cities submitted.  I
>> don't know but I feel that city participation should weigh heavily as a
>> factor.  (Darnit, why was Madison, Wisconsin zotted?)
>
>They don't.  Have corps, that is.  ( If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will
>point it out. :-)  Perhaps its to spread the gospel, as it were.  Finals
>have been in Birmingham AL and the South regional has been there for the
>last few years and I believe that B'ham has shown its support for DCI 
>pretty well.  Ask me or some of the other few thousand `91 South attendees
>who went to the show in a pouring thunderstorm, without knowing if the
>show would be canceled or not.  As Michael Fath and I have pointed out,
>the south has up and coming corps and in the past, kids have not been
>really 'into' drum corps down here.  There are vast pools of talent in
>the region including Miss. and north Florida that remain largely 
>untapped.  Having finals in these locales will give the activity more
>exposure in this region which is still adding population at an extreme
>rate.  
>

Which is all the more reason for having finals on the west coast, or at
least a western state for a change. Aside from the California corps and
a few scattered here and there, there isn't a lot of activity, especially
in the NW.
Sorry, I had to say it. :-)

--mikeq
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Omar A. Zaidi)
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Reply-To: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.121140.2358@ducvax.auburn.edu>, jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1b0G026M10pT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
>> In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>>>
>>>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>>>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)
>> 
>> Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
>> of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
>> that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
>> geometric design.
>
>It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
>drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
>this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
>form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?
>
> - Jay

Nope. Bluedevils

The Texas Sax Player

zaidioa@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu

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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: uniform question
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:49:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.100527.28836@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>
>Spast may hide individual marching technique, but they are a dead givaway
>for poor timing.  A judge (or more importantly, audience) can see as well
>as hear any problems.

>>>This is very true!
>
>I find it hard to believe that the Lancers needed to hide style.  From what
>I've seen, and alumni I've talked to, they were style mongers.  Basics
>from hell every day.
>
>Dave

Dave, I never said that the Lancers needed to hide their style! I'd say 
anything but that. I said that they wore them, but the spats were NOT used
to hide technique problems! I've been taught by many MANY old Lancer type
people who did nothing but harp on technique and style! :)

Happy Spring!

Kel
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr17.101742.17863
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr14.140136.2347@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> Trivia:  Which stadium(s?) has the largest grandstand (ie front side line)
>> seating capacity goal to goal and end line to end line?  Extra credit, which
>> stadium has the largest total capicity?  I won't ask for numbers, since I
>> can't remember, but include them if you know....
>
>I'll go for the extra credit, since I don't have references on 
>front side line, goal to goal capacities.
>
>The vital stats on finals sites; recent, current and future.
>
>City             Stadium      Capacity  Surface Built   City Pop
>---------------- ------------ --------  ------- -----  ---------
>Madison WI       Camp Randall   77,745   turf   1917     191,262
>Kansas City MO   Arrowhead      78,067   turf   1972?    435,146
>Buffalo NY       Rich           80,290   turf   1973?    328,123
>Dallas TX        Cotton Bowl    72,032   turf   1932   1,006,877
>
>Jackson MS       Memorial       60,549   grass  1953     196,637
>Jacksonville FL  Gator Bowl     82,000   grass  1949     672,971
>Boston MA        Foxboro        60,794   turf   1971?    574,283
>Lansing MI       Spartan        76,000   turf   1957     127,321
>
>Of recent and future sites:
>   Oldest Stadium - Camp Randall
>   Newest   "     - Rich
>   Biggest  "     - Gator Bowl
>   Smallest "     - Memorial
>   Biggest City   - Dallas
>   Smallest "     - Lansing
>
>( BTW, the biggest stadium in the country, period, is the
>  Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA, capacity 104,091. )
>
>Notice the interesting bit about the new Southern sites;
>they're both grass fields.  If you plan on marching finals
>in '93,'95,'98,'00,'03 or '05 pray for sunshine galore.
>
> - Jay G.

Wow!  Talk about doing your homework!  I do believe, however, that Michigan
Stadium has a capicity of more than that of 104,091 given for the Rose Bowl.
Does anyone have a figure to back me up or prove me wrong?

BUT... the answer to the original question is:  Camp Randall Stadium,  Madison.
Although other stadiums are larger by over 26,000, the huge upper deck on the
grandstand puts the front sideline capicity both goal to goal and end line to
end line larger than that of any other.  Sorry I don't have the numbers any
more.  If I run across them again, I'll post 'em.

Dave
-- 
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Nuclear Engineering and Engineering Physics
Plasma Source Ion Implantation Project
Division of Slave Labor
From: clark@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Clark Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: slide bugles
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:26:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:

>>    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me
---------
>I would guess that it is because bugles have evolved from valveless
>horns to 3-valved horns in G.  But nobody has yet "invented" a slide bugle.
--------

Ahhh, how quickly they forget....

The last year I marched - 1980 - I played an instrument called "trombonium"
which had the bore-profile of a trombone. It even had the doofus loop back
by the side of the ear. But, of course, TWO piston valves.
In the years before I marched (the sixties) bugles had things called
"crooks" which worked in a fashion similar to badly-built trombones.
For another period, single-valve bugles with crooks, which were occasionally
"slid", were used.
    By the time I started marching, these were all hidden in the closet.
A REAL(tm) bugle has one piston valve, and a rotary valve which doesn't work.
This fetish for seducing trumpet players with three piston valves - bah!

		-- Clark
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From: cadets@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (William Michael Putman)
Subject: Re: performances in the MidAtlantic region...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.134614.4606@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com  
(Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
> In article <92100.212400MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu> MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu (mary  
carpenter) writes:
> >*sigh* I've been stuck in Central PA for so long... And it's been a  
long time
> >since I've seen a LIVE drumcorps show.  Can anyone give me a list of
> >dates for performances this summer somewhere in the Midatlantic region.
> >I'm in the mood to roadtrip.  (If you don't know any, could you give me
> >some direction as to where I could find out...)
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Mary Carpenter              --Alas, the summer I was 16 I threatened to  
run
> >mxc117@psuvm                  away and join the Butler Vagabonds  
(smallish?
> >carpnter@gis.psu.edu          Pittsburgh-area corps), but the parents  
caught
> >                              me and kept me home... I was deprived! I  
want
> >                              restitution!
> 
> >>>>Hi Mary,
> 		There is usually a show in Westchester PA, and there is  
AlWAYS 
> a DCI East show in Allentown PA. I think the Allentown show is only  
about a
> week before nationals this year!
> 
> 		Kel
> 
> 

DCI East is on Aug. 1 this year !!!
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:29:30 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <JAC.92Apr8102517@glinda.cis.ohio-state.edu> jac@cis.ohio-state.edu (Jim Clausing) writes:
>With all due respect, there is a lot more to drum corps than the few
>corps that make DCI finals with the big f***ing budgets, too.  I'm
>trying hard to stay out of the high school band argument for the
>moment.  I love the great shows as much as anyone, but let's not be
>elitist snobs here.

A little sensitive aren't we?  You moving away from the original statement,
which was that bands and corps are the same - they're not and the 2
primary reasons are the art/entertainment thing and, unfortunately, bucks.
It has nothing to do with being elitist, it simply facts.  Bands can't
afford the staff/scoring/insturmentation/... that (some) corps can.  Where's
the elitist position in that statement?  Lighten up.

>Fine, but would you have had the same 2 hour talk if the guy had
>marched with some Class A corps?  How about a senior corps?  Some of
>us never had the FINANCIAL ability to march with a top 12 corps, does
>this make our opinions any less legitimate?

Again the discussion is BAND/CORPS.  "Class A" and "senior" are both
followed by the word "corps".  You've seen the 5 hour bus rides after a
show-get out sleep on a gym floor for 3 more-get up-practice all day-do a
show-and start the whole process all over, the smelly shoes, hot dogs every
lunch for a week, sneaking beer on the bus, pissing out the window of the
bus because the driver wouldn't stop because he was pretty sure you were
drinking (those good ole days before air-conditioned busses), finding Bobby
Knights evaluations for the '84 olympic team in the showers of the Indiana
field house, horn practice at a rest stop on a travel day - what a crowd
that brought, crying after DCI finals because you will never see these
people again in your entire life and you've just been to hell and back
togeather - and loved every minute of it.

That's Drum Corps, not the "We had 18 bass drums.." posting I've been
seeing on this news-group.  That's wasted bandwidth.  But I personally
don't care.  This group seems to get such little traffic to justify
splitting it into several groups.  Hell, most the traffic seems to be
devoted to talk about splitting.  Leave the band stuff here, just don't
say their the same unless you want someone to object - they will.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: composers intentions
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:20:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision

>Now, we can't ask Berlioz or Bernstein or Mussorgsky or Tchaikovsky,
>unfortunately, because they are dead.

No, we can't ask them but.....

For the older 16th and 17th century composer's, let's look at the equivalent of drum corps for THEIR
time: the regimental fife & drum corps.

Although fifes and drums were first used to signal troop movements during combat and camp activities,
the music became popular as entertainment. Such major composers as Handel, Hayden and Beethoven wrote
pieces specifically for fifes and drums, and field musicians frequently gave public concerts outside
their garrisons.

My corps is doing a spring concert next week (Old South Meeting House, Boston, April 26, 1:00pm) in which
we will be performing (among other things) Handel's MUSIC FOR THE ROYAL FIREWORKS, which we first performed
last December at Colonial Williamsburg for the Grand Illumination festival. We are planning on doing it again
this year too in a joint performance with the Williamsburg Senior Corp.

Jeff
Bass Drummer
Middlesex County Volunteers Fifes & Drums

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From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: Trivia answer
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:37:40 GMT


	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
                 designs into their program?

	When I said 'asymmetrical drill designs' I meant the placement of the
marchers on the field in respect to the 50-yard line.  I am sure you've all
have seen drum corps shows of the 70's (either live or on tape) and noticed
that if you were to 'pick up' the field and fold it half along the 50-yard
line, both sides would match.  The answer is... the Troopers of 19__.  (I
forgot the exact year; could anyone out there provide the answer?)  
	And BTW, there are SoCal shows this season.  I don't know who said  
that the only shows are in Northern California, but I can assure everyone
that BD, SCV, Freelancers, and VK(for a few shows?)  will tour down here
along with the A60 corps.  I will post dates and places later.


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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: **** "Glory" ****
Keywords: glory,music,corp
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:20:21 GMT

In article <9APR199215120624@zeus.tamu.edu> dlg5892@zeus.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know if any drumcorp has performed or is planning to 
>perform any music from the soundtrack from "Glory"? IMHO it makes 
>Carmina look like twinkle twinkle little star. 
>	It would be nice to see some one perform the music from the scene
>where they are charging Fort Wagner, right before everyone gets killed.
>That was an awesome piece.
>
>D.L.G.III Ex-L.B.J. Jag Drumline
>
>

I like questions I can answer!  The answer is yes.  Spirit of
Atlanta played music from the movie "Glory" last year.  Their
hornline still can fill up a stadium.  They had a very morose
ending to their show, with a single bugler playing while crosses
were put on the field.

-- Donald
From: brown@cs.tulane.edu (Tony Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: North Texas Drumline
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:35:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr11.183559.6942
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6926]: poseidon


Does anybody out there like the North Texas Drumline?  They are probably one
of the best lines I have ever seen.  They are as good as any of the lines in
DCI.
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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Pullleeeeze (was RE: DRUMCORPS!)
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:40:00 GMT

>
>Sue Casey
>UMASS - Lowell Marching Chiefs
>Marimba Queen!
>caseysu@woods.ulowell.edu

>>SUE?! Hey Sue, how's it going!?!? Have'nt heard from you in a while! :) :)

send mail, say HI! :)

..Kel (dobus' sister)

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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI on PBS
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:52:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncratl.52561
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
: 
: 
: The main problem is directors that have no background with music. Great
: tv directors that dont know anything about marching CANT do a good job
: because they just don't know what's going on. All they know is what
: they see on the monitors in fromt of them. A tight close up of somebody
: is much more likelyto be used than a great big full push at the end of
: a number. 
: so, i think that all the contestants ought to provide a show book and
: a time index of basically what the music directors think the tv
: directors should concentrate on. All the directors I know would be
: most greatful for the information, and if you told them not to 'share'
: their books with anyone else, they wouldn't. 
:
Having spent time on the field in 4 DCI finals (setting up the pit etc.)
I have tripped over the PBS crew a few times.  They were the same crew 
year after year (especially that 7 foot blond gal) and they are not new
to marching.  The same crew also practices for about a month prior to the
World championships by shooting regional and local contests and manages to 
get practice on all the top corps before the championships.  They are also 
shooting all performances the entire week of the championships.  Some corps
do tell them what neat stuff to look for, but I guess its the directors final
decision.   I personally think they do a fine job.  My only complaint is that
someday I hope they can get the audio captured correctly.
 
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From: deni@niktow.canisius.edu (Larry Deni)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: the past
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:24:30 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208



>>I started marching when I was very young, and the corps I was in folded after
>>6 years, but I never got drum corps out of my blood.  I have turned on a lot
>>of people to drum corps, and they have all loved it!
>>--  Bill Nielsen
> 
>>>Geesh, if you remember all this, you MUST remember valve and rotary bugles!

I marched in St. Joseph's of Batavia (NY) from 1968-71 (the corps folded after
that).  But before that I was in their feeder corps (from around 1965
I think).  Prior to the valve and rotary design there was actually a
design I recall (and played) which used a valve along with a slide with
a ring attached to it.  By pulling the slide you would lower the pitch
by a half step, same function as the rotary design.

--Larry Deni, Database Administrator, Canisius College, Buffalo, NY
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Archiving
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:05:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Apr16.160539.2390

In article <1992Apr15.184959.7053@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
> Finally, is anyone archiving these posts?  There seems to be some
> good info that might be worth saving permanently for future generations
> of alt.drumcorps readers.
> -- Donald

Well, I have the info on finals' sites and the summer games sked still;
I also have ( though it hasn't been posted in this forum ) a complete
list of last year's finals scores from quarters up and I can still get
to the list of corps repertoire that Michael Fath posted ( I also have
the DCI Today version too.).

But, alas, 'I' cannot set up ( never have yet, anyway ) an anonymous FTP
if that is what you're getting at.  If you mean a FAQ for periodic
posting, I might could handle that.  We'd just need to figure out
what should be in it.

Actually, a list of corps resources like addresses, phone numbers, etc.
would probably be a good thing to have floating around if we could
compile it.

 - jayg
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc)
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:18:29 GMT

In article <70026@ut-emx.uucp> pball@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pablo Cantu) writes:
>
>Does anyone remember which DCI band played and won the CHAMPIONSHIP with
>Malaguena, I think it was in 1988, but I am not sure.  I would greatly
>appreciate it if someone could help me out here.

The Madison Scouts (corps!) performed Concerto for Guitar and Jazz Orchestra
and Malaguena in 1988. Their corps was extremely well rounded -- they won no
captions, but took the championships.

Madison was/is really great. What impressed me about the corps was how many
things they participated in that week. They marched in the parade (with their
funky arrangement of the Stars & Stripes Forever -- piccolo soprano and all).
They had a lot of folks in the Individual and Ensemble championships --
winning Brass Ensemble, Individual Keyboards, and other awards. The corps was
clearly there to have a good time and entertain folks week-long. They did, and
I was grateful. Winning the championship was just icing on the cake.

Madison had toured in Europe that summer. On their return to the midwest, they
were beaten by Phantom, Cavaliers, and Star in the DCM championships. They
shot up quickly to be in position to win it all.

The sad part was seeing the Blue Devils lose with their program -- Happy Days
are Here Again, That Old Black Magic, Good Bye Yesterday, and Since I Fell for
You. This was a *great* program, particularly the opener with the Barbara
Streisand arrangement of Happy Days and That Old Black Magic. What a soprano
line! What keyboards! If CDs wore out from repeated listenings, I'd have worn
the 1988 BD track out long ago.

...and this was the first year for SCV performing Phantom. And don't forget
Suncoast Sound's "Symphonic Dances for the Contemporary Child." A truly
unforgettable closer. All in all, quite a year for drum corps.

Anyhow, I have never seen a greater swell of applause for a champion (SCV came
close the next year). People just love the Scouts.

>pablo

--phil
From: st1ic@rosie.uh.edu (Riley, Paul D.)
Subject: Who will be first
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:40:00 GMT
From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach x4365 5-2)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: performances in the MidAtlantic region...
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:21:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, a Company of Prime Computer, Inc.

The DCE regional is usually sometime in mid July. It's been held in
Allentown a number of times. I think it was at the Meadowlands last year,
but I could be thinking of another show.....

-Jeff

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