HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: READ THIS (Was Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:54:47 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Aug21.020427.3442@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu
(Stephen A Chaney) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Aug20.221224.17716@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug15.231351.14657@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> 
> And they say _we're_ uneducated? 
> 
> >>2) This professor comes from Berkeley. 
> >
> >???? What does this matter?
> 
> It implied, before I verified what he said, that he might have been on
> drugs when he was saying this. Berkeley IS known for that... 

Dennis, this is equivalent to me saying that everyone who goes to CSUS is a
half-wit simply because you're one.

Don't talk to me about prejudice, sonny.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:12:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Aug20.221224.17716@advtech.uswest.com>  stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.231351.14657@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen

> This is one of the reasons the pro-choicers do NOT want brain
> activity used as part of the definition of life.

Another reason is that "brain activity" has been detected from 3 neurons in
a petri dish.  It's not a terribly good indicator of "personhood"...

> >2) This professor comes from Berkeley.
>
> ???? What does this matter?


There are two major products that come out of Berkely:  LSD and UNIX.
Some of us don't consider this to be a coincidence.

:-)

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:28:21 GMT

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>>> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>>>> The z/e/f does. A common person's view of what I'm
>>>> saying, might be, "Feed all the chicken soup you want, to sperm, ova,
>>>> skin cells, or warts, but they just won't differentiate." Can't say
>>>> that about the z/e/f.
>
>>> If this were true, there would be much less controversy.  Unfortunately,
>>> you *can't* feed chicken soup to a z/e/f; you have to filter it through
>>> a *person*.
>
>Which is true for sperm and ova too!

> Which would assume that they're individuals who are growing. 
> Seeing as that this is not true, your claim is proven false simply
> because it leads to a contradiction.

Work on your reading skills, Steve.  My claim is that sperm and ova need a
person to filter the chicken soup to them, too, just like the z/e/f.  You
always seem to ignore that person; maybe that's why you want that person
thrown out of the house.

> Your statement fell into a _well-built_ and easy-to-see trap.  Then again 
> it takes someone who can see it, to dodge it.

Sorry, Steve, I must not be spending enough time around embryologists. :-)
(I should; I understand that they're much more fun than accountants or
engineers. :-) )

-- 
Chris Lyman  -  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  -  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
"... all women think alike on the issue of abortion ..." -- Doug Holtsinger
Newsgroups: alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.171220.35359@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In  <1992Aug10.161448.6148@csus.edu>  chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>> The z/e/f does. A common person's view of what I'm
>> saying, might be, "Feed all the chicken soup you want, to sperm, ova,
>> skin cells, or warts, but they just won't differentiate." Can't say
>> that about the z/e/f.
>
>If this were true, there would be much less controversy.  Unfortunately,
>you *can't* feed chicken soup to a z/e/f; you have to filter it through
>a *person*.

Well, you have to have a *person* give any child, born or not, their
food. At least until they're old enough to know what a spoon & fork
are. For 9 months, you have to filter it (to put it in your words)
through a person; for at least 48 months, you've got to have a person
bring the food to the kid. 

Isn't that a harmless sort of slavery, those latter 48 months? It sure
looks, to me, a lot longer than 9 months. But then again, I came from
Earth Math School, were 48 > 9. Mathematics may vary for others. :) 

In other words: 
What's the critical difference? 
 


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			Robert Casey for President '96! 
			 This Casey never strikes out.
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Let's see if this article gets as fast a response as the flamewar stuff.
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From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: well!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:57:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.015115.20237@nmsu.edu> sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy  
Schilling) writes:

> "I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and
>    self-contain'd,
> They do not sweat and *wwwwhhhhiiiiine* about their condition,

You've never had a poodle.  "Please don't go please don't go please don't go    
(door slam) whiiiiiiiiiiineyipyipyipwhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiineyipyip"

> They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,

They weep when you don't give them those yummy table scraps.

> I'll tell you, aardvarks are looking better and better every day.
> 
> --sandy

I still want a weiner dog, only my landlord won't let me.

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: My Decision '92
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:35:56 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Doug and Wendy Whiner for president!

	-Tom-
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: rprimmer@home.webo.dg.com (Bob Primmer)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:23:50
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1992, sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling) said:

Sandy> Sigh.

Sandy> Don't you just haaaate it when you realize your boyfriend is still 
Sandy> in love with his ex-girlfriend?

Sandy> And don't you just haaaaaaaaate it when she calls when you're up there
Sandy> for the weekend?

Sandy> And don't you just haaaaaaaaaaaaaate it when you watch him turn into
Sandy> a puddle right before your very eyes?

Sandy> I just hate that.

Sandy> Makes me wish I had an aardvark.

Sandy> sigh.


Ya know what's even worse?  When your *aardvark* is still in love with
its boy/girl friend!!  I HATE it when that happens!

Double sigh ...
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Re: Excuse me.
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:13:12 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

> > WHHHAAAAATTT?!  WHAT IS IT MAN?
> 
> I doooooooooon't knooooooooow ......
> 
Good answer.

--sandy
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Excuse me.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:53:56 GMT

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee .........

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:48:01 GMT

sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling) wrooooote:
> Makes me wish I had an aardvark.

I wroooooote: 
> I want a weiner dog.

Sandy wrooooote: 
> With chili and cheese?

No, just plaaaaaain, thank you ...

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: well!
Keywords: poem
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:51:15 GMT

"I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and
   self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and *wwwwhhhhiiiiine* about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is dememted with the mania of
   owning things.
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of
   years ago,  
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth."

Jeeze, who does this guy think he is, Walt Whitman? 

:)

I'll tell you, aardvarks are looking better and better every day.

--sandy
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:15:25 GMT

(Permanent) Wavey Davey writes:
> 
> >I just hate that.
> >
> >Makes me wish I had an aardvark.
> 
> I've got an aardvark. It leaves little packets all over the lounge carpet.
 
Gee, so does my boyfriend.  Any relation?  What's your aardvark's last name?

> I wish I had a girlfriend who was still in love with her ex-boyfriend.

Whhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy?  And DON'T even try telling me having a girlfriend
who's still in love with her ex-boyfriend is better than having no
girlfriend at all.  I'm not gonna buy that one.

--sandy

Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:07:25 GMT

> > Makes me wish I had an aardvark.
> 
> I want a weiner dog.

With chili and cheese?

--sandy
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:30:00 GMT

> Ya know what's even worse?  When your *aardvark* is still in love with
> its boy/girl friend!!  I HATE it when that happens!
> 
> Double sigh ...

Oooooooohhhhhhhhh nnnnnnoooooooo!!!!!!

Please tell me that doesn't happen!

sigh again.

--sandy
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.034744.11482@nmsu.edu> sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy  
Schilling) writes:
> Sigh.
> 
> Don't you just haaaate it when you realize your boyfriend is still 
> in love with his ex-girlfriend?

I don't know about that, but I really haaaaate it when you date a girl that's  
still infatuated with her ex-BF.

> And don't you just haaaaaaaaate it when she calls when you're up there
> for the weekend?

I haaaaaaate it when she she says she likes you, but she ends up going back  
with her ex-boyfriend, the one she complains to you about because he used to  
beat her, ignore her and generally treat her like shittttttttttt.....
 
> And don't you just haaaaaaaaaaaaaate it when you watch him turn into
> a puddle right before your very eyes?

> I just hate that.

I can relate.  I really haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that!
 
> Makes me wish I had an aardvark.

I want a weiner dog.

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Excuse me.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:12:17 GMT

sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling) writes:

> WHHHAAAAATTT?!  WHAT IS IT MAN?

I doooooooooon't knooooooooow ......

> --sandy

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Re: C Programminggggg
From: rdale@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:42:11 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

> I reeeeeaaallllyy hhaaaatte when yooouuu ffoorget
> to puuuttt eemmmppttyy bbrraaccckkkeetts iinn
> CCC ccoooodddee aaannd thhee sssttuuuuuuuuuuuuppppiiiddd
> coompiler doesn't teeelllllllll yooouuuuu.


{
maaaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn

prinnnnnnnnnntf ('Helloooooooooooooooo worrrrrrrrrrrld!');

}

Why won't this worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk?????

signed,
	A former Pas CAL user.  Pas Cal -- that's where you head
	directly for ORE or WASH.  Do not collect $200.
From: richv@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (RichardD Vanderwal)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Schoooooooooollllllll....
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:11:33 GMT

Oooooooohhhh, IIIIIIIIII jjuuuussst haaaaaate it when the Uuuuuniveeerrrrrsity
yoooouuuu attend is aboouuut to Blooooowww apaaaart at the seeeaaaaammmmss!

							-Riiiiiiiichhhhh
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: Excuse me.
Summary: jeeze!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.215356.29389@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
> Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee .........
> 

WHHHAAAAATTT?!  WHAT IS IT MAN?

--sandy
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Re: an aardvark of my very own
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:37:13 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Aug12.195439.886@nmsu.edu> dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>> 
>> Don't you just haaaate it when you realize your boyfriend is still 
>> in love with his ex-girlfriend?
>
>I don't know about that, but I really haaaaate it when you date a girl that's  
>still infatuated with her ex-BF.

Oooooh, I haaaaated that!

>> And don't you just haaaaaaaaate it when she calls when you're up there
>> for the weekend?
>
>I haaaaaaate it when she she says she likes you, but she ends up going back  
>with her ex-boyfriend, the one she complains to you about because he used to  
>beat her, ignore her and generally treat her like shittttttttttt.....

Oooooh, I *haaaaaated* that!

>> And don't you just haaaaaaaaaaaaaate it when you watch him turn into
>> a puddle right before your very eyes?
>
>> I just hate that.
>
>I can relate.  I really haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that!
> 
>> Makes me wish I had an aardvark.
>
>I want a weiner dog.

I'd like a trip to Europe.

==========================================================================
Emru Townsend        Fido: 1:167/133        emru@cam.org        BIX:switch
Q:  Do you know what the death rate around here is?    A:  One per person.
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: C Programminggggg
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:44:36 GMT

ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) writes:
: I reeeeeaaallllyy hhaaaatte when yooouuu ffoorget
: to puuuttt eemmmppttyy bbrraaccckkkeetts iinn
: CCC ccoooodddee aaannd thhee sssttuuuuuuuuuuuuppppiiiddd
: coompiler doesn't teeelllllllll yooouuuuu.

Whaaaaaaaaaat IIIIIIIIIIIIIII haaaaaaaaaaate is wheeeeeeeeen yooou forgeeeet
tooooooo puuuttt iinn thhee ssstttuuuuuuuuuuppiiiiiiiddddd ssseeeeemmmmiiii-
coooolloooonnnsss.

: Maaaatttthhhhheeewww
: 
: PPPSSSS  Fooorrrtttrraannnn ssuuucckkksss tooooo

Bbbbiiiigggg tiiiiiiiiiime.

--
---Alfvaen(a.k.a. Aaron V. Humphrey)
"So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts
 what's so amazing about really deep thoughts"  -- Tori Amos
Current Album--The Iron Man Soundtrack
Current Read--Henry David Thoreau:Walden and Other Writings
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Excuse me.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:27:50 GMT



--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Re: C Programminggggg
From: rdale@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:22:18 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

> I reeeeeaaallllyy hhaaaatte when yooouuu ffoorget
> to puuuttt eemmmppttyy bbrraaccckkkeetts iinn
> CCC ccoooodddee aaannd thhee sssttuuuuuuuuuuuuppppiiiddd
> coompiler doesn't teeelllllllll yooouuuuu.


	Woullld someonnnne PLEEEEEASE write a prrrrogrrammmmm that will
BEEEEEEP at me whennnnnn my finnngerrrrrs get offfff the HOMMME KEEEYYYS!!!

Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: bj437@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul B. Hindemith)
Subject: Newsgroups
Reply-To: bj437@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul B. Hindemith)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:14:45 GMT


I just HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate it when I can't find
any INTERESTING NEEEEWWWWWWsgroups! 

WHHHHIIIIIIINE!

-- 
bj437@Cleveland.Freenet.CWRU  Paul B. Hindemith  Omaha NE  Creighton Prep
"Most solutions to unhappiness are largely concerned with movements of small
green pieces of paper, which is odd because it isn't the small, green
pieces of paper that are unhappy."_So_Long_&_Thanks_For_All_the_Fish  Adams
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: sschilli@nmsu.edu (Sandy Schilling)
Subject: Re: well!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:37:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.015751.22133@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
> 
> I still want a weiner dog, only my landlord won't let me.
> 
Then you'd have to clean up all the weiner dog cookies -- "packets" as
Graham called them in reference to his aardvark.

(btw, ever notice how often we refer to animals and food in this group?)

--sandy

Newsgroups: alt.whine,tor.general
From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice)
Subject: C Programminggggg
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:28:57 GMT

I reeeeeaaallllyy hhaaaatte when yooouuu ffoorget
to puuuttt eemmmppttyy bbrraaccckkkeetts iinn
CCC ccoooodddee aaannd thhee sssttuuuuuuuuuuuuppppiiiddd
coompiler doesn't teeelllllllll yooouuuuu.

Maaaatttthhhhheeewww

PPPSSSS  Fooorrrtttrraannnn ssuuucckkksss tooooo
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: That Virgin Mary really gets around
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:15:10 GMT

In article <1518@lysator.liu.se> ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) writes:
>What I wonder about is why she is called the VIRGIN Mary. Does it
>really say in the Bible that she did never have sexual intercourse
>with any person? Granted that she was a virgin when getting pregnant,
>why would she stay so for the rest of her life? Surely one-child
>families were extremely rare at these times, weren't they? Poor woman.
>
>
>This should really go to soc.religion.christian, I suppose. Personally
>I have no idea as to where inthe Bible to look for a clue about The
>Virgin Mary. Could someone with more knowledge tell me?
>

Actually, there is a sentence in the bible that casts doubt on this, and
it comes up in such discussions frequently.  There's some part where
Jesus is in someone's house shooting the breeze and a few apostles come
in and ask him why he's taking so long when his "brothers and sisters"
are outside waiting for him.

The priests usually say that it was metaphorical, that they only meant
companions.  However, this musing as to the permanent state of Mary's
virginity does come up among catholics.

Blessings,
Janis


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: info wanted on runes
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:53:32 GMT

	Any decent copy of The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien will have Anglo-Saxon
Runes in it. There are also Ogams, seen below, but these aren't
particularly pleasing aesthetically.
                                |   ||   |||  ||||   |||||
-----------------------------------------------------------
 |   ||   |||   ||||   |||||     
 B   L     F     S       N      H   D     T    C       Q

  /   //   ///   ////   /////   |  ||   |||   ||||   |||||
------------------------------------------------------------
/   //   ///   ////   /////     |  ||   |||   ||||   |||||
 M   G   NG   ST/Z      R       A  O     U     E       I

The letters are each supposed to touch the middle line, and the /'s are
supposed to be single slashes though the middle line. These runes are
fabled to have been invented by Ogma, the god of literature, and one of
the Tuatha De Danaan.
	If you want any more info on it just let me know.  
-- 
Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made possession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)