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From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Five Defendants Sentenced in Alaska
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:26:48 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

> Original-Sender: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
>
> Most Alaska Natives that I've
> discussed environmental issues with would call what happened a crime.

Floyd may well be right. I'd like to hear their voices.

> In fact the particular case at hand was investigated by the Feds at
> the request of Native elders.

That natives should appeal to the United States shows that the
following is in some contradiction:

> I know something
> about saving the culture of the Eskimo villages of Alaska though.
> And those environmental laws, and the relative amount of respect
> which both white and Eskimo culture have for them, are an absolutely
> essential part of maintaining the culture of Yup'ik and Inupiat
> peoples in Alaska.

I think it is somewhat self-serving that Europeans are being cast as the
last best hope of "saving" the Eskimo villages, when they have been
the primary cause of the destruction of native self determination.

Now, Floyd is quite correct in pointing out that all of us need more
local information before taking firm sides in this particular case.

I think the general points I made are valid, as Floyd acknowledged.

I detected an argument, though, which implies that since I am able
make my case through a computer network, that disqualifies me from
being able to make a legitimate case. That argument has actually
been used to keep Indians from speaking up before. They are powerless
because they are not able to negotiate the European milieu, and if they
try, they must remain powerless to speak for their people because they
are now supposedly no longer representative of them.

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From: dpt@drutx.ATT.COM (ThomasDP)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Questions about Indian land
Keywords: What do I do with it?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:48:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


I would be very suprised if anyone in netland can answer 
these questions, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

My brother and I just inherited a portion of land
in North and South Dakota that was given to our ancestors 
in the early 1900's by the U.S. government.  I know roughly
where it is, that the government leases it for cattle ranching,
and that it's held in trust by the U.S. government.  That's
ALL we know.  I've written letters to the BIA but I suspect I'm
going to have to do a lot of research on my own.  (I suspect
we're getting ripped off on the amount we're getting for grazing
rights, but I don't have any proof.) 

Does anyone out there own Indian land and understand how the
trust works?  What are my rights as an individual?  Could I
sell it (not that I'd want to) or lease it on my own to the
tribe to graze buffalo on it without breaking the trust?   This
land was given to my great-great uncle, grandmother, and mother,
yet I feel as though it belongs more to the government than me.
Are my assumptions correct?

Diane Thomas
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Reservation/culture info wanted
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:08:30 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA

In article <14325@lupine.ncd.com>, slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas) writes:
|> 
|> 	I'm wondering if anyone could provide me with addresses or a way to find
|> out what Sioux reservations may be in or near Montana.  I was adopted just after
|> birth.  My mother was white and my father was half Sioux and half Blackfoot.  I'd
|> like to find out more about my acestor's culture, language, ect...  I've known
|> that I was native American and have been proud of it.  Lately, my children have
|> exspressed an interest in learning more about our people.  This I have been tring
|> to do through books and other reading material i find in libraries.  This just
|> doesn't fulfill my own curiosity nor thiers.  Movies of late have not really helped some of the questions I have and infact, have added more.
|> 
|> 	I'm hoping someone might beable to direct me to a source that could be more informative and a way of answering my curiosity.  Thanks in advanced.
|> 
|> 	Steve Lucas 
needed to correct spelling.
From: mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Canadian lawyer to challenge Peltier's extradiction
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:40:17 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada


	CBC TV news carried details of the plans of a Canadian lawyer
who is to challenge the extradiction of Leonard Peltier from Canada.
She addressed a meeting in Minneapolis where Incident at Oglala was shown. I 
suspect this was not considered newsworthy by most of the US media.

Michael Newton
Grenfell College
Corner Brook
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From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Native Alaskans "Poachers"?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:43:48 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

The statement was repeated that the views from Indians who
are Americans from the lower 48 can't be applicable to the
situation of Alaskan natives.

That's inaccurate, of course. Indians and Eskimos of the north have
had to deal with the same assaults on them by Europeans as in
other areas of North America. We can be sure that when European
voices arise among us, counseling division and disengagement from
each other they are not in our interests, but in those who oppose
us. Tehcumseh, the Great Unifier, was feared by our opponents because
he sought to reveal to us how powerful we could be together in
protecting our own mutual interests against those of the conquerors.

In my own case, I am not a citizen of the United States, yet in no way
do such European-imagined boundaries abolish the Indian nations which
prexisted British North America, and then Canada and the United States.
In fact, American law recognizes this, and it applies to natives of the
far north just as equally as to those in the south.

Moreover, there are some folk who can't engage in any discussion without
voluminously disagreeing about everything and anything, without apparent basis
other than satisfying some odd motives of their own. In their own
minds I am sure they have become irrefutable and unassailable, but it does not
appear that way to others. And those others quickly lose interest when
they realize such individuals also seem impervious to reasoning
together.

For those who might believe that accusations, about 80%
of male natives being arrested being completely false,
I urge you to check the statistics for any jurisdiction in
the U.S. and Canada. In some, it is much higher. Such were the
findings of such non-native groups as the U.S. Senate Subcommittee
on Indian Affairs and various Canadian Royal Commissions. Let me
emphasis that these findings applied to all states and provinces,
including the far north.

It is a strange phenomenon when a white person who has married a native
should pose as a defender of natives, while twisting facts, subtly and
otherwise, to the detriment of those natives. When a person is related
to them, it veers very near to a form of abuse. I urge such people
to examine the motives in their hearts, and reconsider their actions.

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From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Native Alaskans "Poachers"?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:34:39 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) asked:

> (Uh, have you ever even met an Eskimo Peshe?)

Going back many years, and further north, I believe my first encounter
was with someone incarcerated in one of the white man's prisons in
which so many of us find ourselves in at one time or another.

I want to take a moment to address the idea that Indians and Eskimos (both
terms invented by the Europeans, incidentally) have nothing relevant to
convey to each other, and should become separately submissive to the
European Pax Americana:

It should be pointed out, for instance, that Athabaskan language and culture
extend all the way from the arctic to northern Mexico, as a result of
migrations of the same family of people. Therefore, it is inaccurate and
self-serving for some white folk to tell one group of related native
North Americans not to disturb "their" natives or stir them up.

I recall similar arguments being put forth by some white U.S. southerners
against "uppity" northern abolitionists and civil rights activists. They
were not supposed to "understand" "their" "n-----s," even though the
northerners were often descendants of the southern group, whose offspring
had travelled from that area to the north. The southerners claimed that the
northerners couldn't possibly understand as they did, since they, unlike the
northerners, had lived with them all their lives.

To extend the similarity further, the civil rights movement for Africans in
the U.S. drew its strength and organization from both northern and southern
church members. An indigenous organization (CHIEF) of Indians and
Eskimos has been meeting and communicating for many years. These native
North Americans find they have far more similarities and identification
with each other than they do with the European culture.


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From: GRS00039@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*John Nicholas Peragine)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: greetings]
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:42:28 GMT
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Greetings from Asu
     I am the Council Chief of the Native American Council of ASU.  I am
searching for corospondants across the realm, in hopes to form friendships and  
ties with other peoples.  I myself am 1/8th Native American.  My ancestory
comes from my great grandfather who was half Camanche, and half Apache. His
wife was half Cherokee, and half Creek.  The mixture of these tribes is the
result of who I am today, and what my children will be tommorow.  Our Council  
is planning our 2nd Pow Wow for the year of 1993.  Any and all suggestions will
be completely appreciated, and all introductions to events concerning Native
Americans will be appreciated as well.  This council is open to all people that
have an interest in Native American culture, crafts, and with open minds to
accept the religious beliefs of the peoples and hold understanding, and
respect.  As we progress, I will post all upcoming events concerning our
council, in hopes that you can attend both meetings, and our Pow Wow in '93.
Our meetings as it stands, are every Thursday @ 7:00 pm in Sanford Hall in room 
208, on the Appalachian State University campus.  All are welcome to join, and
become a part of the council, and I encourage all to do so.  We also sponsor
guest speakers to talk and give presentations here on campus.  Just last week,
Dr. Dee Boyer from the Lakota (Sioux) Oglala tribe, came to Boone to talk about
the Black Hills Land Claim.  We plan to have more speakers as we go along.  In
accordance to the speakers, I plan for this council to become active in Native
affairs; and the Black Hills Land Claim is to be our first.  If you are
intersted, or would like more information, please write me at Po Box 6218 Boone
N.C. 28608; it would be great to hear from you.  Thank you for your time in
reading, and may the Great Spirit always be with you on your path through this
life.  

                                   Sincerely,
                                      Ivy Bear         Nov. 4, 1992
   
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Reservation/culture info wanted
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:04:53 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	I'm wondering if anyone could provide me with addresses or a way to find
out what Souix reservations may be in or near Montana.  I was adopted just after
birth.  My mother was white and my father was half Souix and half Blackfoot.  I'd
like to find out more about my acestor's culture, language, ect...  I've known
that I was native American and have been proud of it.  Lately, my children have
exspressed an interest in learning more about our people.  This I have been tring
to do through books and other reading material i find in libraries.  This just
doesn't fulfill my own curiosity nor thiers.  Movies of late have not really helped some of the questions I have and infact, have added more.

	I'm hoping someone might beable to direct me to a source that could be more informative and a way of answering my curiosity.  Thanks in advanced.

	Steve Lucas 
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From: pete <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU!UKANVM.bitnet!PSHEMITZ>
Subject: Re: Five Defendants Sentenced in Alaska
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:54:02 GMT

Original-Sender: pete <CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU!UKANVM.bitnet!PSHEMITZ>

peshe,

it is certainly true that some people use environmentalism much as 19th
century missionaries of progress and nationalism used christianity.  in
fact i see the development of a "green man's burdern".  however, most
environmentalists  that i know are very cognizant of the rights of indigen-
ous peoples;  and i'm not writing of just my coterie of friends.  michael
mccloskey, chairman (emeritus) of the sierra club is well aware of how the
indigenous peoples have to be allowed the freedom to make a better life,
both socially and economically.  i don't know what experience soured you
on environmentalists, but you seem overly pissed off at a group that isn't
as monolithic or blind as you may think.

PLEASE THINK OF FUTURE GENERATIONS:  PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT!

PETE SHEMITZ, DEPT. OF HISTORY, UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS-LAWRENCE
PSHEMITZ@UKANVM.BITNET
From: Jim_May@macgate.csuchico.edu (Jim May)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Native American Congressman?
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:32:39 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1992Nov5.194138.4222@dg-rtp.dg.com> A. Jing Hippy,
cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com writes:
>I caught just the tail-end of a piece on election night that I *think* 
>said that some midwestern state (was it Colorado?) had elected the first
>ever Native American congressman.  Is this true?  Can someone fill me in 
>on the details?

Ben Nighthorse Campbell was elected to the Senate from Colorado.  He was
widely billed in the press as being the first American Indian elected to
the Senate but this is not true.  At least one other Senator was Indian,
one of the first two senators from Oklahoma after statehood, Sen. Owens. 
One vice president of the United States, by the way, was American Indian
as well.  There have also been Indians in the House of Representatives.

Ben Nighthorse Campbell is the son of a Portuguese mother and a part
Northern Cheyenne Indian father.  He was raised in Auburn, California and
was a congressman from Colorado.  He has been the lone Indian in Congress
since his first election and continues to be so his new presence in the
Senate is exceedingly important to us.

By the way, the only member of Congress married to a Native American is
Congressman Don Young of Alaska.  He has been in Congress for 20 years
and was just reelected.  His wife and two daughters are Athabaskans.
From: Ecology Center <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.native
Date: 06 Nov 92 09:19 PST
Subject: Re: Five Defendants Sentenced in Alaska
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct31.014324.26254@samba.oit:115841643:cdp:1308200088:000:1991
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Nov  6 09:19:00 1992


Well, as usual, I agree with both sides. sigh. :)

I think it's important to point out, as peshe has done, that people with
a predominantly environmentalist agenda, who are predominantly white
as the term "environmentalist" is usually defined, reflect the values
of their own culture. This is not inherently a bad thing, but given
the nature of American white culture, what follows is the acceptance
of the paradigm of "progress". This paradigm is transmuted, to be sure,
from the "bigger is better" mode into something less bombastic; certain
assumptions still hold though. For instance, in editing a recent article on
population control, I found the statement that "women in less-developed
nations must be given access to secondary education." Tell that to the
Dine'!

Native concerns are being heard by the white environmentalist movement
to an increasing degree. Witness the James Bay struggle: I remember
whites fighting, 15 years ago, to defeat a ~800 mW power line through
Upstate NY from James Bay I, and focusing on the (no doubt considerable
but as yet undocumented) health effects on those living underneath the
transmission lines; no mention whatsoever of the abundantly documented
effects on the health of the Cree. In 1990, those effects were the centerpiece
of the campaign agin JBII. We're paying more attention.

But whites still pay more heed to the concerns of distant, "museum piece"
cultures than we do to cultures that are "in our face". White environmentalists
who revere the Penan, for instance, can call for a boycott of "Japan", as if
every individual in that (industrial competitor) society were a rich zaibatsu.
How many environmentalist organizers have ever heard of KRS-One?

I think there's a lot more commonality in this conference than the testiness
level would indicate. And if Peshe will refrain from claiming to some
fictitious "Indian Viewpoint" (not saying you have... i'm a newcomer here),
then I promise to remember I have a "white viewpoint".

Chris

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From: Paula Wagoner <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!ucs.indiana.edu!PLWAGONE>
Subject: fyi from Paula's Alaska friend
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:54:58 GMT

Original-Sender: Paula Wagoner <ucs.indiana.edu!PLWAGONE>

From:	PO1::"FTEAC@alaska.BITNET" "ELIZABETH A COOK"  6-NOV-1992 02:30:24.52

thanks for sending me the bit on the walrus case...for floyd to be in
alaska, it's amazing that he has heard (or created) such a a different
story than i have heard.  it just so happens that my current advisor
and her husband (inupiat scholars) were hired to reasearch and be expert
witnesses as it turns out, they were not allowed to testify...this is the
story they have... the elders of this particular area requested that the
feds come in to investigate drug infiltration.  the feds found no drugs on
natives or whites (i don't remember which they were looking for), but they
got a line on what they thought was hunting (poaching) in violation of the
Marine Mammals Act.  what was happening was that in late walrus hunting
season, the walrus were shot, parts (including the ivory) were removed
and much of the meat was left.  as it turns out, many sources could be
found that support such behavior as traditional...this evidence was not
permitted in court, because apparently the court system has gotten
screwed out of prosecuting natives in the past by allowing historical
information into the testimony... well. as it so happens, the MMAct
states that no animal can be "wastefully" hunted... it just so happens
that in late season when only old bulls are left around (others have
migrated) they are hunted for skin, fat, ivory, etc. Bering Strait
(he didn't even spell that correctly!!) natives have never (i mean
ever) eaten the meat of old bulls...it's inedible- too tough to
chew.  what the court and feds saw was "waste"...what the natives saw
was proper...so the question arises...how are the native versus legal
concepts of "waste" in conflict. frequently too, when dead animals
are found afloat their heads will be removed for the ivory. it is
my inpression that this fact was never allowed either. i don't even
know if all the heads in question were from live animals...this case
got really screwed up. one guy got ten years!!!(it's under appeal)
now.  i don't know all the facts, but this is what i was told.
kinda puts a different slant on the thing, doesn't it!?
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From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: roszak ecopsychology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:12:47 GMT

In <01GQR322TDQO0004I4@GBMS01.UWGB.EDU> uwgb.edu!frischj (Jack Frisch) writes:

> 11/4/92
> To Gary and nn.chat@gnosys.svle.me.us re Roszak on "Ecopsychology."
                                   ^
Actually, it's nn.chat@gnosys.svle.ma.us.
                                    ^
(The "ma" is for Massachusetts - "me" would be for Maine.)

The way things are set up, you can just send a "reply" using your mail
system to post a followup article.  The return address is set in the
header, so you don't need to take any special action to address your
message.

> Gary, thanks much for forward to natchat the article by Theodore
> Roszak.  Also for including the info on Center.  This stuff was a
> real joy to read...

I'm very gratified to read Jack's response.  I lack the time now to go into
detail, and I don't want to impose my interpretation on the Roszak piece,
but I do hope we can discuss it and how it relates to our overall topic of
the lives and cultures of indigenous peoples (if anyone besides myself sees
the Roszak article as being related to our topic that is).  When I get a
chance, I'll type in the other article I mentioned earlier, which is by the
founder of the Center for Psychology and Social Change, Dr. John Mack.
Since that article is fairly long, and I sense it may be of limited interest,
I may make it available via the NATIVE-L "filelist" archives at TAMVM1,
rather than sending it out via NATCHAT.

Does anyone else want to comment on the Roszak article?

Thanks.

Gary

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From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Why is she doing this, anyway?
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:11:25 GMT

Sayeth mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh):
$To think in higher dimensions usually takes more than a different approach
$to prose writing. It often involves a number of controlled substances and
$biotoxins as well. Try it sometime.

   I think in f(t) dimensions, where f is a monotonically increasing
function over the domain of time t.  Unfortunately, Usenet's format
was not designed to support the transmission of such thoughts (let alone
their engines), which is why none of you can understand flim ggofle
wirpentloffiq eatnogg frez13 abj vf gur gvzr sbe nyy tbbq zra gb pbzr
gb gur nvq bs gur cnegl fizputz.

silver "there's a message in there somewhere, I know it, I just *know* it"
-- 
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