From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Will's appalling attitude toward women (Was: FOCA: And I quote....)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:13:07 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)


pn>In article <nyikos.716065542@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
ws>>From: goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves)

ws>And with God or Allah (whomever) as my witness, I will say that in my own
ws>situation, if the woman had *not* been so respecting as to tell me before,
ws>but in fact had not only told me right afterwards, but had waited a year (!)
ws>or more, I probably would have snapped right there and killed her where she
ws>stood.

pn>This is all in the past tense.  The context strongly seems to indicate
pn> that Will's whole outlook has radically
pn>changed since these unfortunate events.  In fact, I recall in an earlier
pn>post that he said he suffered a nervous breakdown in the wake of the whole
pn>unfortunate incident to which he alludes.  "I probably would have snapped
pn>right there" is an indication of what an overwrought emotional state he
pn>was in.

I see nothing that shows Will's outlook has changed let alone 
radically.  Of course it is in the past tense because that is when
this experience happened to him.  I see nothing in anything that he 
wrote that shows he would not be tempted to kill another woman
that fails to give him the respect he deserves.  I see a huge
difference between having an overwrought emotional state and a 
desire to kill a woman for not showing the proper respect.  I
see his problem as a macho bravado that feels if women fail to
give him respect he will lash out violently.  

pn>What Will wrote here was definitely not a threat, it was a (probably
pn>exaggerated) look in hindsight at what could have happened to a mentally
pn>unbalanced Will Steeves.  

What Will write above is definitely a threat.  If I knew a woman
that was starting a relationship with Will and I showed her this
article, do you believe she would not feel threatened?  Again,
no matter how unbalanced Will was, it does not excuse his threat
of killing a woman for not showing him respect.  

pn>People can go through hellish trials and tribulations and emerge far
pn>more exemplary human beings because of them.  I still feel deep down
pn>inside that Will is one of these, although you may note that I hedged
pn>my bets by saying "about 99% of the time."

We have completely different feelings toward Will's attitude in regard
to women.

pn>Adrienne, on the other hand, shows no signs of having grown as a human
pn>being in the wake of her 7 years on the network.  (If she has grown, I'd
pn>sure hate to see what a devil-may-care attitude she had at the beginning.) 

Despite your lack of respect you have shown Adrienne, I would be extremely
surprised if she would threaten to kill you, regardless of tense.  Adrienne
has at times lost patience with people who are attempting to take away rights
from her.  She makes fun of these people and even at times flames them, but
as far as I known she has never resorted to and threatened to resort to
violence to get her point across.  In a contest between Adrienne and Will
for my respect, Adrienne has crossed the finish line long before Will has
started the race.  

I still don't see you answering the question I originally asked.  Has
Adrienne ever written anything as appalling as Will did?  You said you 
would answer the question, but instead you make excuses for Will`s
article.  

pn>Peter Nyikos

Dan King
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