From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Jewish sources for Kahane's views?
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:47:53 GMT

In <1992Nov5.181016.7558@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

>In article <dfs.720896417@vash> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

># >	I tell you what.  Just (for only one out of many examples) read
># >what the Jews must do with the inhabitants of the land.
> 
># Yes, I know all about that - the tribes which must be destroyed, etc.
># However, perhaps you'v missed the news - Rabbinical rulings from the
># time of the Talmud declared that those commandments had been fulfilled,
># and that there was no more reason to continue hunting the seven tribes.
># I believe a similar ruling applies to the case of Amalek.
> 
>	Let us just say, for example, that you are correct about the
>Rabbinical rulings (I am pretty sure you are incorrect with respect to
>the tribes, and I am definitely sure you are incorrect with respect to
>Amalek).  Let us again say that those laws only applied during the
>time of Joshua's conquest.  Were those laws racist during the times
>they were in effect?

The Canaanites were to be expelled because they committed "abominations"
in the land, something which cannot be applied to the Arabs.  Similarly,
Amalek was to be utterly destroyed because of his murderous and treacherous
actions against Jews.  So, to apply those laws to modern times is simply
going AGAINST Jewish teaching.  Whether or not those laws are or were
racist is besides the point - the fact is, that according to Jewish
tradition, they do not apply to the Arab inhabitants of Eretz
Israel.

>	Now let us move forward to current times and assume those laws no
>longer apply.  Does the fact that those laws no longer apply (only
>consider it with respect to this aspect) make them any less or more
>racist today (Igore right/wrong or anything else.  I am only
>interested in discussing the "racist" issue.)?

Again, the "racist" aspects of that particular section are beside
the point.  The fact is that, unlike what you claim, trying to
apply those laws today is contrary to Judaism.

># >	I will make aliyah in the near future.
> 
># That's great for the US, but not so good for Israel.

>	"Thanks.  Very reasoned argument."

I mean it.  I believe that Kach-ists are a great threat to the
safety and security of the State of Israel, and am concerned
every time their number there grows.

>	I will ignore both your sillyness and the fact that you deleted
>the context of my response.  Do you believe there is anything wrong
>according to Judaism with facilitating the immediate movement of all
>Jews to Israel?

Absolutely not.  As long as it does not me "facilitating" the expulsion
of people already living there.  What was done, was done, and I'm not
ashamed to support Israel.  But conditions for Jews now are quite
different, and we cannot claim our land by kicking out long-time
inhabitants.

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