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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Lost passport at Airport : What can I do?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:25:04 GMT

amit@hypothesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Amit Gupta) wrote: 
->Could some knowldegeable netter pl tell me what (else) I can do. 
->I will be very grateful.

report the loss of your passport to the indian consulate and to the us
ins (or to whoever organized your visa) ... 

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From: lawong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Laam Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Advice on travelling to Europe alone
Keywords: advice for woman travel solo in Europe
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:51:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I will be leaving Newark New Jersey to Brussels, then to Holland,
Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland and back to Brussels. The whole
trip is about 3 weeks and I am going by myself. I will appreciate if
anyone can give me some advices or info that I need to pay special
attention to while visiting those countries. Thanks!

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lawong@romulus.rutgers.edu
Laam Wong
From: lmk@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Brussels to Rome
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:09:51 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

A friend of mine and I will go to Brussels in December where we will visit for
a
few days  Then we plan to go to Rome to spend Cristmas.

What is the cheapest way to travel from Brussels to Rome?  I have checked
EuroRail(sp) and the cost is about $270 per person.  Renting a car is not that
cheap either due to the drop-off charge.

If anyone has any suggestions I would appretiate some input.

Thanks.

Loukis Kissoenrgis
West Virginia University
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kene@sequent.com (Ken Ewing)
Subject: Re: Beer prices in France and Norway 
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:52:31 GMT

In article <9208270803.AA22838@etn.ericsson.se> bhag@etn.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634) writes:
>
>(The beer is still cheaper in Norway than in Sweden and France ;-)  )
>
>Boerge Haga
>Ericsson Telecom AS, Norway
>e-mail:bhag@etn.ericsson.se

I may be unwise in disputing with a Norwegian native, but when I was 
in Norway three years ago a pint glass of beer cost 36 NOK, and only 
a week later, at a small town in France, a glass of beer (maybe 1/2-pint 
or so) cost 2 francs.  At the time the exchange rates for the two 
currencies were:  

     6.5 NOK ---> US$1 
     6 francs --> US$1 

...so I considered the two currencies about equal.  I got the impression 
that beer was far cheaper in France than in Norway.  

(The Norwegians I was with sure loved it!  8-)  )  

  Ken Ewing 
  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. 
  Beaverton, Oregon 
  kene@sequent.com 
  ...!uunet!sequent!kene
From: roman@Germany.Sun.COM (Roman Stanowsky - Sun Germany Product Support Communications - Munich)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Northeastern USA
Summary: none
Keywords: nort east boston cambridge maine massachusetts portland
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:26:54 GMT

Hello all,

I'll be in the Boston area from 9/19 to 9/29. What can be recommended to see
in that time ? What about Indian Summer (where/when) ?
I thought of travelling north, then along US 1 up to Calais, maybe also
a bit of Canada (Montreal).

Any hints are cheerfully appreciated.

Roman

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Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Reply-To: laufer@math.luc.edu
Fcc: +outbox
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:31:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.151915.15292@newshost.lanl.gov>, mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson) writes:
> 
> Example: In my experience, Australians abroad in the American Southwest have
> been among the most benign of tourists, probably in large part because of the
> similarities between here and home.  That didn't stop one Australian I got to
> know -- a thoroughly enjoyable fellow during the other 99% of my interactions
> with him -- from making a small-scale ass of himself by derogatory comments 
> about the local eating/drinking habits in a restaurant he'd been taken to.
> What pulled his chain was the American preference for drinking iced tea with
> spicy ("Mexican") food, in conflict with his own conviction that tea *must* be
> consumed hot.  Someone observing this fellow at the precise moment of
> chain-pulling, and his response to same, would have reached all the usual
> conclusions about the "ugly" tourist abroad -- even though his overall behavior
> was anything but ugly-tourist in nature.  I have no idea why the notion of iced
> tea pulled his chain so strongly ... but it did.

This experience actually supports the original poster's point.  The
Americans residing in the southwest, where the indigenous culture is
Native American and Latino, partially adapted to the point of eating
the local food, but retained their habit of drinking ice tea with it.
The story describes the interaction not between a visitor and a
native, rather between a temporary and a permanent visitor (only 1/2 ;-)

-- 
-Konstantin 	             "Es isch es Chogge Zue-ueg mit dene Chaibe Boelle,
[laufer@math.luc.edu]		         die branned choggemaessig i die Auge."
Loyola University Chicago		                 -- Die Schweizermacher
From: s9232@harvey.gte.com (Hammad Azzam)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Seattle(Washington) Hotels
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:07:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories

I will be traveling to Seattle 2nd week of September. 
Does anybody have the names and numbers of hotels in the Seattle area,
preferably downtown (up to $90/night).
All help will be greatly appreciated.
Please respond to s9232@harvey.gte.com.
Thanks a bunch.

-- 
Horace Dediu                                                  GTE Laboratories
(617) 466-4111                                                40 Sylvan Road
Internet: hdediu@gte.com                                      Waltham, MA 02254
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Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:31:21 EST
Reply-To: /dev/null
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <frank2.28@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
> It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
> of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 

	Zzzzzzzz.  Summer repeats even in soc.culture.usa (and rec.travel)?

	Followups to dev/null

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From: bc2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: For visitors to Moscow - offer
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:30:41 GMT
	<1992Aug28.211454.3144@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1992Aug28.211454.3144@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Julie Kangas writes:
>in article <1992Aug28.194135.2500@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
>nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass) writes:
>>In article <ADg0Cdgem6@smena.russia.msk.su>,  SV@smena.russia.msk.su
(S.V.Vasiliev) writes:
>>> Hello, netters,
>>> 
>>> If you are going to visit Moscow and to accommodate and spend your >time
>>> quaranteed cheap and interesting - our information is for you.

(--advertisment deleted--)

>>Hey! isn't this the 10th time you have posted this? Posting once or twice
>>is clearly enough. Also, how kind of you to charge only $70 per night 
>>cash (I assume you want those US $$$) when the average weekly or
monthly Russian salary is less than that.
>
>Yes, but if you go to a large hotel you'll get charged >$150 a night.
>I've seen some go as high as $250.  Where does all that money go?  Who knows.

>>Maybe for $5 US a day I would think about it, otherwise, post your message
>>about 10 times somewhere else!!

>I kinda enjoy these adds.

I remember when my friends and I were staying in Moscow with a Russian
family that a co-operative had placed us with. We paid the two old
crones at the Co-op  about $30 each/night, and they gave the family ten
roubles. (we found out later and paid the family direct) 

I'll agree that a "normal" room at an Intourist hotel is >150$/night,
but there's something about outright greed and preying on your fellow
countrymen that disturbs me...

But then I guess greed is what makes the capitalist system
work...(didn't the character Geko in Oliver Stone's film "Wall Street"
say something along that line?...)

Just my 2cents worth. And I think 10 times is enough as well...
.....For real Julie, do you truly enjoy these ads???

--ChanBillR600F2
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From: obuck@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: BALI - Places to go...Things to do
Keywords: Food, Lodging, Sites, Activities
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:15:46 PDT
Reply-To: obuck@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


an be made regarding good places to stay, great food, places to see etc.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: news@cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Mr. Time Waster)
Subject: Re: recommendations : weekend train trips from paris/ eurail pass
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
 
 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:05:55 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: National Trust:  Stately homes and castles in the U.K.
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:58:47 GMT
	<BtyMtu.7r5@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk's message of 2 Sep 92 16:51:30 GMT

In article <BtyMtu.7r5@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

   Both the National Trust and English Heritage were recommended here.  I
   should point out that both have elitist attitudes that quite a few people
   may find objectionable.

Solution: instead of joining the National Trust, join the National Trust for
Scotland instead.  It's a different organisation, it's a lot cheaper to join,
it's said to be not so elitist in its attitudes, and it gives you entry to
all National Trust properties as well as NTS ones (the NT and the NTS have a
full reciprocal agreement).

My phone book says that the National Trust for Scotland can be contacted at

	The National Trust for Scotland,
	5 Charlotte Square, 
	Edinburgh  EH2 4DR, 
	SCOTLAND.

phone	+44 31 226 5922
fax	+44 31 243 9501
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	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



My experience is that Amercians are not the most annoying. We
have been joined by Germans, Italians. The French and Scandanavions
are among the best. 

Yells and threats to /dev/null please

Dave

David Farber; Prof. of CIS and EE, U of Penn, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6389 Tele:
215-898-9508(off); 215-274-8292 (home); FAX: 215-274-8293;  Cellular:  302-740-
1198 "The fundamental principle of science, the definition almost, is this: the
sole test of the validity of any idea is experiment." -- R. P. Feynman
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Request for Info on Eastern Europe
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:16:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.13663.2aa761b6

> 
> Eating in Prague is bloody difficult, and veggie food nearly impossible.
> Most places close early and there aren't many of them.  I preferred the
> places that seemed like workers' cafeterias; cheap, filling, basic but good
> at what they make.  The places aimed at Westerners are often full up and
> rather characterless.
> 
Try the restaurant U C~ervene'ho Kola the next time you're there.  I don't
know about Veggie options, but it's not a cafeteria, not aimed at 
Westerners, and not without character.
					-Luke
From: wezel@bio.vu.nl (Jos van Wezel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Information wanted on whale seeing trips near Vancouver BC
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:42:07 GMT
Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Within a few days my vacation will start in Vancouver (Canada). Can someone
sent me information (telephone numbers, contacts) about companies or 
organisations that organise trips to see Orca whales around Vancouver Island.

From there the journey will go south to as far as San Diego. I heard about
the sight seeing tours to the Gray whales off the coast of San Fransisco. Does
anyone know if this is the season or inform me about where to ask for that.

Thank you

Jos van Wezel
Vrije Unversiteit, Amsterdam
The Netherlands
phone: +31 20 5485705
email: wezel@bio.vu.nl
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From: yurman@mithra.sybase.com (Kathy Yurman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Info needed: New England
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:02:17 GMT

Honeymooning in New England the last two weeks in September.
I'm especially interested in bed and breakfast recommendations
in Maine, Vermont and Hew Hampshire -- restaurants, day hikes,
places not-to-miss, and anything else that occurs to you.  What
do I know, I've never been on a honeymoon before.

Also hoping to make it to Nova Scotia, so if you have similar
recommendations for NS send them along too.

Please respond directly to me (yurman@sybase.com) and quickly!

Thanks in advance.

_kathy
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: HoJo Dispute
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:50:37 GMT

In article <l9q58qINNt3v@aludra.usc.edu> fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin) writes:
>
>The moral of the story is:  Always get a cancellation number or the name
>of the person who cancels your reservation (as well as the date and time of
>your call).

Good advice.  Here's some more, learned the hard way:

If you have a multi-night stay and guarantee the first night via credit
card, FIND OUT what their policy is with regard to cancellation.  I'm 
currently in the middle of a dispute with an Albuquerque B&B which claims
that they're entitled to charge my card for all three nights I had planned
to stay, not just the first night I had guaranteed.

I don't think they're going to get away with this ultimately, but who
needs the hassle?

The Albuquerque B&B is the Mauger Estate, for those who prefer to patronize
businesses that operate in good faith.

Charleen


--
One time a cop pulled me over for running a stop sign.  He said,
"Didn't you see the stop sign?"  I said, "Yeah, but I don't believe
everything I read."           -- Steven Wright

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bm@hydra.carleton.ca (Barry McLarnon VE3JF)
Subject: Recommendations for Oslo?
Organization: O.A.R.C. Packet Working Group at Carleton University
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:24:18 GMT

I'm going to be in Oslo for about a week in early September, and would
appreciate some advice on things to see, places to eat without going
broke, etc.  What sort of weather should I expect to encounter?

Email replies, please, to bm@hydra.carleton.ca.  I'll summarize if there's
any interest... thanks in advance!

Barry

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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:28:12 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <CINDY.92Aug31202742@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>My standard of living
>as a middle class person in Norway does not differ significantly
>from what my standard of living was as a middle class person
>living in the States.

  One thing that amazed me in the US was the lack of *common* hightech(1) in
some areas and the general overstaffing. Roadworks are a typical example of
the latter: In Sweden you usually find 4 to 8 people at a big roadwork site
where they put new covering on the road or something but over in the US it
wasn't uncommon to see 10-20 persons, one holding a sign saying 'SLOW', one
driving a car with a 'follow me' sign, four or five just standing around and
so on and so on.

>-Cindy Kandolf

-bertil-
(1) With 'common hightech' I'm not talking about the peak technologies but
    rather what the average level of technology is in the society. The number
    of phones per inhabitant might be a measure of this for example.
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From: cheeky@athena.mit.edu (cheeky cheeky BANG BANG)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: The naming of the transit system in the Bay Area.
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:58:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <4851@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william) writes:
|> I recently visited the Bay Area in California and one thing that I haven't 
|> been able to figure out is why do people over there call their transit system 
|> the BART.  Was it named after a character such as Bart Simpsons or does 
|> it stand for something else?  In Montreal, we call our underground subway 
|> the METRO which is an actual French word for subway but we use it in the
|> English language as well.  And in London, England, if I am correct, the people 
|> over there call their subway the TUBE.  Oh well, if anyone has an answer to
|> my earlier question please reply.....Thanks!
|>                                                 William 
|> 
|> williaml@cs.concordia.ca
|> Montreal, Canada 


BART stands for Bay Area Rapid Transit and some legendary cartoon character. I
was in the Bay area for two weeks last month and I am very impressed with their
BART. I think it is the best-maintained subway in US. The floors are carpetted,
the seats have great cushion, the stations clean and the trains run right on
time. The only thing is that they could do with a more extensive network. You
cannot rely on it to get to anywhere you want and most of the time you have to
transfer to a bus (MUNI).

cheeky
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel to Florida
Date: 31 Aug 1992 14:11:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

We are planning a trip to Florida over the Christmas holiday.  Would be interested in the
weather and whatnot during that period.  Also, since the hurricane, is travel advisable?
If not, any suggestions on warm places (not to expensive)?


Thank you in advance for any and all suggestions --


Tammy


Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:23:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.154733.541@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
>
>I think that ours is such a big country we sometimes don't realize just
>how different it is in other countries.  I was shocked at the ammount of
>poverty in many countries that I have visited.  It is not something we are
>used to here as what little there is we hide all too well.  We are not 
Have you ever been in LA, San Francisco or any other major US city for that
matter and visited other parts than just the typical "tourist stuff"? Then
you probably wouldn't be shocked at the amount of poverty in other countries
that much. I for my part was shocked at the amount of poverty in the US, which
is only surpassed in "third world" countries.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: 108116@adpdp2.lanl.gov (108116)
Subject: national trust vs royal oak
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:35:00 GMT

The recent summary about the National Trust was wonderful - but I still have a
few questions.

My cousin and I are going to England in 6 weeks.  My favourite times are
medieval and hers are Victorian.  Which of National Trust, Royal Oak, or
English Heritage would benefit us more?

How do I get ahold of any/either of these institutions?

Thanks in advance

Heather

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: uwp@cs.tu-berlin.de (Udo Wolter)
Subject: Weather in NYC
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:13:27 GMT

Hi people !

My girlfriend & me want to travel to New York next Saturday. So I just wanted
to know how's the weather at the moment in NYC. Is there an anonymous FTP 
server which holds weather reports from north america ?
Please reply via email.
Thanx in advance,
		 Udo

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: sgccncr@citec.oz.au (Nick Russell)
Subject: India/Nepal/Kashmir - info needed
Organization: CITEC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:36:52 GMT


I'm going travelling in India and Nepal in about ten days, taking roughly 
the following route: 

	Calcutta - Darjeeling - Kathmandu - Pokhara - Varanasai - Agra - 
	Delhi - Srinigar - Leh - Delhi - Jaipur - Jodhpur - Udiapur - Delhi.


I'm after any general advise anybody has about the trip, in particular places
that I *must* see. I've also got a couple of questions:

1.	Is it possible to go overland from Darjeeling to Kathmandu (ie. has 
	the border been reopened) ?

2.	What is the current situation in Kashmir ?  Is it a sensible idea to 
	go there ?


Any replies gratefully received.

Nick Russell

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