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From: stephens@access.digex.com (John Stephens)
Subject: Re: Choosing a pattern at an unfamiliar airport
Organization: Severn Companies, Inc., Lanham, MD 20706
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:59:59 GMT

I agree with the advice posted under this subject that in the pattern it is
best to announce as the turn (downwind->base, base->final, etc) is initiated.

I also believe that when entering a pattern, the position in the 
pattern should be stated, e.g., "  Cessna 12345 entering left/right 
downwind at midfield", or "  abeam numbers", or wherever.  The entry 
location is important for "se and be seen", as many (most??) pilots are
sloopy about pattern entries, and often do unconventional things. 
Also, in Canada for instance, approved pattern entries are different.

The moral is, don't assume anything, and make sure that others know
*exactly* where you are when in the pattern, or near an airport.

If you haven't been there before, I recommend overflying at TPA+1000 
feet, and looking, and listening, and *always* announcing that you will
be (and later are) overflying the field: e.g. " Cessna 12345 overflying
the field, 2500 feet, north to south", or whatever applies.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: aviva@ultra.com (Aviva Garrett)
Subject: Re: SF Bay airshow in October?
Reply-To: aviva@ultra.com (Aviva Garrett)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:42:37 GMT

In article <2810021@hpsad.sad.hp.com> monson@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Tom Monson) writes:
>Did I miss the airshow over SF Bay or is it the Oct 10-11 weekend (or other)?
>Does anybody have the particulars of this show?

The Moffett Air Show is October 17 and 18. From what we've been
able to figure out, the Blue Angels will be flying from 3 p.m.
to 4 p.m. on both days.

There's also supposed to be an air show on Friday, October 16,
but I don't have details on the time.

Sections of Hwy. 101 will be closed near the noon hour on
Wednesday and Thursday (Octboer 14 and 15), I assume for air
show practice.


-- 
Aviva Garrett
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
aviva@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!aviva  (408) 922-0100 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: xcskier@tc.fluke.COM (John Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Logging PIC (sorry ... sigh )
Followup-To: rec.aviation
Summary: What about students??
Keywords: PIC, logging
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.193434.4675@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
>Aargh.  The logging question again.  Definitively, now:
>
>(1)  *Logging* PIC has *nothing* to do with *acting* as PIC.
>
>(2)  You may log PIC whenever you are the sole manipulator of the controls
>     in an aircraft for which you are rated.
>....
>So, to try to make this excruciatingly clear for the cases thus far
>mentioned:
>
>When you are flying (manipulating the controls) a single-engine landplane
>(for example) after you get your private pilot, airplane single engine
>land rating (for example), you should log all such time as pilot in
>command.  This applies:
>....
>						Geoff
 
What I haven't seen addressed here, and seems ambiguous in the FAR's, is the
case of a post-solo student.  When filling out the application for PP-G, I
left PIC time blank.  I had solo hours, but from reading the FAR's, as in (2)
above, you have to be at least a recreational pilot or PP to log as PIC.

The DE asks "Well if you weren't PIC, who in the glider was?"  The implication
is that someone was, and that person was me.  So I put solo hours as PIC
hours, and sent it in.  FAA sent me the license.  

So what about it.  Do solo hours count as PIC, especially towards my
commercial rating?

John
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Any comments about the El Al crash?
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:34:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1992Oct6.133450.27763
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <LHE.92Oct6082922@yang.sics.se> lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
Today I read that the 747 engine mounts
>are designed so that the engines actually fall off the aircraft if
>they have been damaged enough.
>
>This latter statement seems totally incredible. I would have dismissed
>it straight away if it wasn't for alleged quotes by Boing people
>supporting it.
>
>Does anyone know if this really IS true?!?

Yes.  If an engine starts to tear itself up, you really don't want it
on your wing, where it can cause significant damage.  Therefore, all 
engines (on all airliners) are connected with bolts that are designed
to shear if sufficient force is applied in the right direction...  It's
really quite surprising how many things are designed to fall off or be
dumped (lavatory basin water, fuel, flaps, engines...:-)).

The two stupidest media gaffs I've seen:

El Al: "El Air."  (groan)

Reporter who apparently couldn't believe that an airplane could actually
lose an engine and stay in the air, and who conveniently rewrote the
chain of events such that the airplane lost the engines, which fell off,
then it crashed.  1-2-3, just like that. 




---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: What makes a pilot fly? Money!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:03:05 GMT

eric@ithaca.com (Eric Wagner) writes:


***** Grand total   = $4100  *****

>-- 
>Eric Wagner
>Ithaca Software
>eric@ithaca.com

Well..as one of my Aviation teachers here at FIT says, "There are only
2 reasons to be a pilot...1) To Make Money, and 2) For Fun."

I tend to DISAGREE..there sould be a #3...Rescue/National Defense
--
           Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology 
                    ***** perlman@zach.fit.edu ***** 
               Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
From: rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Solo Rites
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:06:53 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <2926884717.11.p00031@psilink.com> p00031@psilink.com (Steven Klos) writes:
>I missed out on my first and second solos...

Hmm...  :-o

Were you with yourself when it happened?

-- 
Dick Harrigill, an independent voice from:     Boeing Commercial Airplanes 
M/S 9R-49  PO BOX 3707                       Renton Avionics/Flight Systems
Seattle, WA  91824                                  Computing Support
(206) 393-9539    rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com    CDP, PP-ASEL
From: amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Class III medical exam
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:44:01 GMT
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D

("David N. Caracappa") writes:
>Yesterday, when my wife went for her Class III medical, the doctor did a
>breast exam (among other things).  We could not think of any flight medical
>reason for this.  Perhaps, we thought, the doctor was just performing a
>screening function.  But if that was the reason, a simple question about when
>the last breast exam had been done (two months ago) could have been sufficient.

as i recall, when i went in for 
my medical, i was asked if i had
regular exams done by a gynecologist.
the answer was yes; the next question
was how long ago was the last one?
the answer was three months prior, 
accompanied by a glare on my part.

the doctor decided to stick to the
"warm and breathing" part and skip
the usual stuff done in a gyn exam.
maybe they're just checking to see if
you're conscientious enough to get
your general health checked out more
than once a decade or so.

			stormwind

			hell's amazon
From: aboyd@quantum.on.ca (Andrew Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: gear-down check
Keywords: gear-down, FAA
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:23:30 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems

In article <2179@usna.NAVY.MIL> dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers 
(EAS FAC)) writes:
>What does the net think? Is the gear-down check a good idea?
> 
>P.S. I do know that Canada has recently eliminated the gear-down
>check. For liability reasons?????

A while ago I read a proposal to get rid of the gear-down check.
The theory was that it was unnecessary clutter on sometimes busy
frequencies.  I agree that it's not a bad idea if you have the
bandwidth, but I can see the controller's point of view - we are
supposed to know how to fly these things.  He doesn't tell us to
select both mags, full rich mixture & full fine pitch, either.
----
#include <std.disclaimer>   "... three down & welded, sir!"
From: niles@parc.xerox.com (Les Niles)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Another trivia question
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:14:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: pizzicat.NILES.92Sep29081456
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

mikec@tabasco.lcs.mit.edu (Mike Ciholas) writes:
>In Kansas, my brother goes flying with a friend in a Bucker Jungman
>(sp?).  In the flight, he does rolls, loops, inverted, spins, and
>other aerobatic maneuvers.  Neither pilot wears a parachute.  The
>airplane and the pilots are realtively young (no grandfathered rules).
>The flight is legal.  How?
The Bucker Jungman requires a copilot/navigator/bombadier?  That makes 
both of them required crewmembers, and 91.307(c) only requires parachutes
when carrying a person "other than a required crewmember."

  -les  niles@parc.xerox.com
        Skylane N2461G
Xref: sparky rec.aviation:16294 rec.aviation.misc:3
From: radack@ces.cwru.edu (Gerald Radack)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: aircraft with the same names as land vehicles
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:51:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: george.ces.cwru.edu

Have you ever noticed that there many models of aircraft share names with
models of cars or trucks? For example,

	Cessna Citation...........Chevy Citation
	Cessna Caravan............Dodge Caravan
	Piper Cherokee............Jeep Cherokee

How many others can you think of? Please e-mail them to me
(radack@alpha.ces.cwru.edu), and I will post a list.
-- 
Gerry Radack
EEAP								(216)368-2808
Case Western Reserve University			    radack@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
Cleveland, OH 44106
From: gus@prism.gatech.EDU (gus Baird)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Sporadic Chronic Lameness
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:11:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep28.173836.7028@piston.detroit.ingr.com> ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick) writes:
 >Hello Fellow rec.equestrians!
 >
 >I am completely stumped and am looking for some advice concerning a sporadic
 >chronic lameness in my usually sound Appaloosa Ghost.  About 6 to 8 weeks ago,
    ...
 >I am stumped, does anybody have any suggestions on what this might be, or what
 >else I could try?
 >Golden Ghost (a very intelligent, beautiful Palomino Appaloosa with four lousy
 >white feet!)

Hmmm... especially for an intelligent horse...

Could he be malingering?

My Morgan with the old suspensory injury gets mysteriously crippled up sometimes
and I'm beginning to wonder if he's finally made the connection between hobbling
about and getting let off work.  He just might be smart enough.  The "injured"
limb is suspiciously variable, as are the circumstances at onset.

Any other net-input about malingering?  Is it a possibility?
 
 
-- 
gus Baird, College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gus
ARPA: gus@cc.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fks@vax.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: Custom Pants
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: fks@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 15:55:13

Have you ever tried the women's pants? My husband has griped about the lack
of men's clothing, but, in practice, women's breeches are as likely to fit 
him as to fit me - and you really can't tell from the look.

--

Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (508) 685-400
FTP Software, Inc.		 Two High Street, North Andover, MA  01845
From: ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Another Try Working
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:32:44 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Our new mare who had been trained for reining for almost 2 years is
working out wonderfully for my daughter.  They still get their signals
mixed at times, you can't use force on her mouth to make her stop and
you have to watch the signals you give her with your legs.  She is
wonderful.  She is very even tempered and calm and I'm sure this will
even get better as she gets used to the 25 other horses up there.  I 
don't want to make this horse sound like a saint, she has ALOT of spirit
and sometimes can be very annoying (i.e., not standing well to get 
back feet picked, throwing her head (we are going to get her a Tom Thumb
bit), and refusing for awhile to go out of the barn).  We work with
her everyday, not always riding, sometimes just leading.  So far, so 
good.  

We'll keep you posted.
From: MAUSEN@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: sentementality
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:41:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
>Date: 5 Oct 92 23:10:26 GMT
>Organization: Adams Software, Lake Oswego OR  USA
>...stuff deleted
>Now the hard question.  I do not want to start any flame wars but if I have
>to put her down, do I have the vet do it or do I sell her to the meat
>market and get some money out of her.  I know this sounds cold and I really
>agonize over it.  I hear horrible stories of how horses are treated on their
>way to the meat market, then I hear other people say the horrible stories are
>just rumors and horses are not treated that way.  How do you know?
>

     Linda,

          I have a friend who's horse had heaves, and was barely
     manageable (health-wise) even on good pasture.  She had the
     knackers come out and pick up the horse, in a normal four
     horse trailer with rubber mats and followed them into town.
     She then witnessed the HUMANE death of the horse, she's six
     months away from being a medical doctor so I assume she can
     recognize dead when she sees it.
          I think she did the right thing..if you have some control
     over the situation I see nothing wrong with seeing that the
     carcass of your horse will be used for something constructive.
     What happens to carcasses of horses that vets put down, does
     anyone know??
          This is rather personal for me as my horse has an allergy
     problem that affects his lungs. Eventually I will probably be
     faced with the same decision.  I'd like to see him pastured
     happily for retirement, or with some adoring little kid..but
     if there's any chance he could wind up suffering on death's
     door out in the middle of some pasture I'd rather see him
     'comfortably' dead first.  I guess I'll face it when it happens.
     I hate thinking about it now.

                                          Margaret (and Kaiser..who
                                          better live 'til he's 35!)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Saddlebreds and Shows
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:35:57 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep27.085457.10176@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> Well said, Linda.  I have owned a wonderful saddlebred gelding for 15 years.
> Sue Bishop has him now, where he'll show some folks at age 19 what showing
> is all about!
> 
> Leigh

Yes, Star is absolutely wonderful.  He will be ridden and shown next year
by two sisters, one sixteen and one ten.  The ten year old weighs only
fifty pounds and is a size six.  We expect she should win some classes 
just from terminal cuteness!  Just picture this tiny little thing on a 
16hand Saddlebred!  
One question, does anyone on the net have a used child's size six or eight
saddle seat outfit?  Must be reasonably priced.  We thought that the two
of them would look so cute in a showmanship class for peewees (That's
halter class to you non-4H people).

Sue
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Sporadic Chronic Lameness
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:32:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <69235@hydra.gatech.EDU> gus@prism.gatech.EDU (gus Baird) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.173836.7028@piston.detroit.ingr.com> ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick) writes:
> >Hello Fellow rec.equestrians!
> >chronic lameness in my usually sound Appaloosa Ghost. About 6 to 8 weeks ago,
> >I am stumped,does anybody have any suggestions on what this might be, or what
> >else I could try?
> >Golden Ghost (a very intelligent,beautiful Palomino Appaloosa with four lousy
> >white feet!)
>Hmmm... especially for an intelligent horse...
>Could he be malingering?
>My Morgan with the old suspensory injury gets mysteriously crippled up sometimes
>Any other net-input about malingering?  Is it a possibility?
> 
>gus Baird, College of Computing

You know, I had a QH mare about 15 years ago who had figured that out.
She was quite bright.  She had gotten a legitimate stone bruise, and when
I began riding her again, she limped and I jumped off and led her home.
We did this for a couple of weeks.  I had the vet out, and the shoer
couldn't find anything either.  Finally he suggested I give her a whack
with the crop and see what happened.  She went sound.  Then after about
half an hour she limped again.  I waved the crop.  She went sound.
Then next day I carried the crop and waved it once when we started out.
She was sound from then on.  I had to laugh, she'd buffaloed me completely!
She never had another unsoundness after that.  So some smart ones really
are dramatic actors!

				Teresa
				Leo (QH)
				Ari (Andalusian)
				Razzie (Arab)
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: teaching
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:44:44 GMT
Organization: CSIRO ITS

In article <30862@sophia.inria.fr> gerbaudo@jorasses.inria.fr (Pascal Gerbaudo) writes:


>
>I would like to know if in the differents countrys in the 
>world one must have a state diploma, delivered by the state, 

In Australia there is no government requirement or government
issue license to teach. The Equestrian Federation of Australia
(EFA) which is the controlling body of horse sports here  runs
training courses for instructors and issues certificates to
those who pass the course. There are three levels of competency
that can be gained. EFA level 1, level 2, and level 3. Each
requiring a higher standard of ability in both riding and
teaching. You have to successfully compete in dressage,
show jumping and cross country in order to gain a certification.

Unfortunately, anybody is legally allowed to call themselves
a riding instructor but you would be mad to go to someone who
didn't have at least an EFA level 1 rating.



-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Was Re:  National HS, now reply to Diane 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1992Sep28.153638.2072@nb.rockwell.com>,
reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:
|> 
|> Mary,
|> 
|> Thanks for posting the info. on the National Horse Show.  I was planning
|> to make a trip back east for the start of foxhunting season and was going
|> to catch the tail end of WIHS.  It looks like I could also arrange to
|> catch the World Cup qualifier at the NHS.  This trip is sounding better
|> all the time........
|> 
|> 
|> Diane
|> 
|> 
|> I tried sending this to you directly but it bounced.  Is 
|> 
|>        mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com
|> 
|> the correct address for replying to you?

Hi Diane...
Actually, xrn is using my local address in the Reply-to instead of my
real world address.  My regular email address is
mchugh@yktvmh.watson.ibm.com.  BTW, don't mean to be nosy, but are you
planning to hunt? Where?  I've always wanted to take Wilbur but I know
he wouldn't behave in company ;-) although we do hunter pace.  Also, if
you wish, email me your snail-mail address and I will mail you a copy of
the whole schedule and ticket order form.

Mary McHugh  

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: showing my filly in dressage show (was: grooming for show)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:22:16 GMT

Kyle Karnosh on 30 Sep 1992:

#Congratulations on your show, Tracy. Sounds like Mithril made a good
#impression.
#
#Your post raises an interesting issue regarding sporthorse breed shows.
#There are many people who think that the judge really has no business
#asking the competitors about their horse's breed and bloodlines, at least not
#until after the horse has been judged. At most of the breed shows in CA
#the show management purposely waits until after the horse is judged
#before announcing which horse and handler are currently in the ring.
#The idea is that the horse should be judged by it's merits, not by
#which registry it belongs to. One of the judges at a big breed show
#in CA did exactly what you described, even asking handlers what the
#specific bloodlines were. Many of the exhibitors were upset by this and
#complained to the management. Any views on this subject from netland?
#
#Of course some breed prejudice is unavoidable, since judges are only
#human. Especially since warmbloods wear their registry on their left
#hip :-)
#
#Kyle Karnosh
#Con Brio Farms
#Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
#Gilroy, CA
#
IMHO this was a confirmation class for a specific activity. If I understand
the judging correctly, they are looking for horses of any breed which are
suitable for dressage. Therefore, I think it would be inappropriate to ask
the breed before judging had been completed. However, I think it would be
very appropriate to ask after and interesting to everyone (nearly) to make
an announcement of the breeds along with the names of the winners.

As I understand it, most confirmation classes are to be judged against the
breed standard. So, if you are showing a Morgan against Arabs, QH, etc., it
seems to me that it is almost necessary to ask as there are individuals of
most breeds that can be mistaken for other breeds.

Of course, anyone who has had any experience with horse shows, showing or
watching, has seen judges who prefer a particular breed or type. Human
nature will always be with us. We can only hope that self control is
exercised and that we all get a fair shake. ;-)
Diane