From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: hunting myth #3
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:47:54 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr10.073042.21306@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.163442.4896@ac.dal.ca> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.071845.76@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>> In article <1992Apr3.095415.4769@ac.dal.ca> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>>In article <1992Apr1.093808.18725@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>>>> In article <1992Mar31.111202.4667@ac.dal.ca> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>>>>In article <1992Mar28.090948.9740@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>>>>>> In article <1992Mar27.091440.4572@ac.dal.ca> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>>>>>>A sense of security and a sense of satisfaction are both large parts of 
>>>>>>>>hunting.  But the biggest reason for hunting is because it is *FUN*. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I seem to remember I found squashing snails was fun when I was eight
>>>>>>> years old. I grew out of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting.  I wonder if one could argue that the AR faction is motivated
>>>>>>by feelings of regret and guilt at their own past actions of cruelty.  I 
>>>>>>wonder if investigating some of them along these lines might turn up 
>>>>>>anything interesting.....
>>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't mention regret or guilt and it was not my reason for giving up
>>>>> animal produce.
>>>>
>>>>No you didn't, but given your statement above I think it is fair to point 
>>>>out that your stated motivations are probably nothing more than an attempt 
>>>>at rationalisation of *your* actions, which kinda leaves you hoisted by 
>>>>your own petard, so to speak.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I'm confused as to how your childish enjoyement of killing creatures
>>> represents a rationalisation of my actions.
>>> 
>>
>>I'm not surprised you're confused.  But *my* enjoyment is not a 
>>rationalizaton of *your* actions.  Your past enjoyment makes it seem as 
>>though your current stated motivations for your current actions are nothing 
>>more than a rationalzation.  If you still don't get it, don't bother asking 
>>how so. :-)
>>
> That's it play stupid since you've backed yourself into a corner.
> 

(*laugh*) Corner?  Hah!

>>Additionally, my enjoyment comes not from the killing, but from the 
>>hunting.  The kill is the culmination and is final proof that the hunt was 
>>a success.  So your alteration of my statements (I said I enjoy hunting, 
>>you translated that to I enjoy killing) is patently false, but is a 
>>distortion of fact that is typical of you and your ilk so I am not 
>>surprised.
>>
> Oh so you don't actually kill the creatures you hunt then? Well sorry
> I must have gotten this hunting lark all wrong.

Yes, you did get it all wrong.  It is obvious that you will have it all 
wrong for all time.

> 
>>As to the matter of childishness, I feel your remarks have left little 
>>doubt as to who in this forum is prime candidate for a charge of 
>>childishness, at least in its pejorative sense.
>>
> Say it loud enough and someone might believe you.

I didn't know USENET had a volume control.  I don't need to say it, though, 
since you say it much more eloquently.

> 
>>John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
>>robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
>>DOD #0069
> 
> That comment above makes it pretty obvious which one of us is the child
> around here.

Why am I not surprised you feel that way?  What are you afraid of?

> 
> "Only criminal, tyrants and cowards have reason to fear the nuclear armed,
> honest country."
> 

A country is not an individual, and therefore can not be either honest or 
dishonest.  Even one such as yourself should be able to see that simple 
fact.

> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Traub
> BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069