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Subject: NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic Stage 12 (final stage)
From: F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:03:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: racing
Summary: NZPost Stage 12
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NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic

Stage 12 (final), Sat 7 Nov, Auckland, 130km

From "The Dominion":
(Sorry, very little report on the actual stage).
Gottschling cruised in the bunch and his team-mate Mike Weissman patrolled
a breakaway in the dying kilometres of the final stage.   Stuart Williams
won the stage in a sprint finish from Weissman to finish the tour the way
he started it, and to take the first stage-proper win by a New Zealander
in the tour.   Williams, a track specialist, also came from behind to
take the KOM title ahead of Nadobenko.   Williams had to win the last
hillclimb to take the title, and he did.   Announcing his retirement, Williams
was elated with the title and stage win in his home city.    

*The other stage highlight was the crossing of the Auckland Harbour Bridge, 
the first time cyclists have ever crossed the bridge.   In a news snippet,
the New Zealanders looked absolutely elated in the crossing, with much
whooping and yahooing.

1. S Williams (Akld) 3 h 8 m 5 s
2. M Weissman (Nurnberg)
3. M Sterly (Germ)
4. K Bostick (Shaklee NZ)
5. F Hoj (Int Allstars) all s.t.

GC: (final placings)
1. S Gottschling (Nurnberg) 30 h 21 m 22 s
2. R Gartman (Taits Switz) at 30 s
3. A Mizourov (Kaz) at 2 m 37 s
4. B Hart (Smokefree NZ) at 3 m
5. P Leitch (Chiquita NZ) at 3 m 10 s
6. B Hickson (Fosters Aust) at 3 m 21 s 
7. B Fowler (Smokefree NZ) at 7 m 6 s
8. D Peterken (Smokefree NZ) at 7 m 14 s
9. B Rupflin (Germ) and D Rush (Chiquita NZ) at 8 m

Sprint Ace: (final placings)
1. D Matuszek (Nurnberg) 52 points
2. B McDonough (World Comp) 41
3. A Nadobenko (Kaz) 30

King of Mountains: (final placings)
1. S Williams 48 points
2. Nadobenko 44
3. Mizourov 43

Under 22 years: (final placings)
1. Mizourov
2. Hart
3. Hickson

Teams:
1. Smokefree NZ
2. Nurnberg at 7 m 55s
3. Kazakhstan at 8 m 2 s
4. Chiquita NZ at 10 m 44 s
5. Burgen Germany at 13 m 39 s

*Well that's it folks, hope you enjoyed it.   Discussion on individual
riders, teams and tactics welcomed on this newsgroup or by e-mail.

Cheers,

Frith
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers: ::::::::
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:55:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Nov13.025531.14659
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Daniel Hill Mccauley (dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) writes:

> I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
> get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.

Hold on to a semi-stationary object. During our club roller sessions most
folks use the back of a folding chair. They're handy because they can be
stored in a small space. When available, I prefer a three-step folding
footladder, as it tends to rock less when weight is suddenly applied to it.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Avocet Low-Speed Inaccuracy
Reply-To: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:58:31 GMT

In article <1det8eINN2mu@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, marc@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com (Marc Lee) writes:
>I think I remember a similar posting awhile back, but I didn't read it, so
>at the risk of being redundant:
>
>I have an Avocet 40 which gives extremely inaccurate speed readings (on the
>low side) at speeds lower than 10mph.  I tried changing the magnet ring, which
>didn't help.  The gap between the ring and the sensor doesn't seem to affect
>this either -- it's still inaccurate even when the gap is zero!  Can anyone
>help?
>
>Marc Lee
>San Diego Sales Office

I have an Avocet 30 with the same problem.  I have replaced the mount, the
sensor, and the magnet - everything but the computer.  I can't figure it out.
The battery's new too, so it's not that the battery's dead.  I'd be interested
too if anyone has any experience with this sort of thing.  Oh, and mine is
inaccurate below about 13mph.  Really sucks on singletrack.  You know you've
gone a few miles and it shows only about 0.3.  

Brett Taylor
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From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: Symmetric rear hub
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:55:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.195742.10324@news.nd.edu> jscott@vardamir.next.nd.edu (James Scott) writes:

   I'm interested in building a non-dished rear wheel.  Do any manufacturers  
   make symmetric road hubs?  I'm looking for a rear hub whose flanges are  
   not offset to accomodate a freewheel.

Most (if not all) of the tandem hubs are dishless. It's just a matter
of the right axle and right number of washers. Mind you the rear hubs
spacing are normally 140mm. Most commonly available ones are
Philwoods. Try Cyclopedia as a source. Some of the other mailorder
places sells PW as well but only at about 135mm.
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Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
From: marc@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com (Marc Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Help: Clipless pedals for people with bad knees
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:09:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com

In article <1689AF7F9.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org>, M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
> I had decided to go clipless despite having a torn ligament in my left knee.
> I put some time racings (91 model) on my bike and tried it on a training stand.
> The force to release by twisting ( I have the new Time cleats) was a lot more
> than I suspected and gave me a sore kneecap.  Does anyone know what clipless
> pedal or system would require the least force to get out of? Also, what 
> clipless system would be best for releasing in a crash?

I would think that the Bryne Speedplays would require the least force to get
out of, simply because they offer no resistance at all.  All you need to do 
is rotate your heel out a claimed 30-40 degrees -- there is no self-centering action as with, for example, the Look Arc cleats.  I stopped racing with Speedplays because I found the actual foot angle prior to release was more 
like 10-20 degrees in my case (wierd feet?), and with no feedback prior to release, the feeling was just too scary during sprints, although I never 
really experienced an inadvertent release.  I would think they would release easily in a crash, since they are so easy to get out of during normal use.

Marc Lee
Hewlett-Packard San Diego Sales Office
marc@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com
From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:10:25 GMT
Subject: Re: wild rim failure -- drive side *pushing* fatigue
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech

Bruce Krueger writes:

(with respect to cracks in rims)

> Was the failure due to too much tension?  Would butted spokes have
> helped in the latter case, due to their increased elasticity?  is
> this more common with heat-treated/hard anodized rims?

Anodized rims crack often.  The cause is not clear at this time
although I hope to have some analytical results from a materials
laboratory one of these days.  I sent a section of a typically cracked
Mavic MA-40 and an uncracked MA-2 for comparison.  I have never found
a non anodized rim that cracked in this way so it may be easier to
determine what differences exist between the two otherwise visually
identical rims.

No, over tightening is not the cause of your failures.  The stress from
spoke tension on this aspect of rim integrity is far smaller than the
hoop stress cause by the inward force of the entire spoke complement.
The normal failure mode for over tightening spokes is that the rim
collapses into a saddle (potato chip).  No local rim failure occurs
locally (spoke pull out) from over tightening.

I'll report anything that is found.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Chain in Spokes
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:19:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Damage to spokes
Originator: dchoi@physics.Berkeley.EDU

	I overshifted my big cog not knowing that either my derailleur hanger
got bent slightly (this is probably it, since I took so many spills on the
trail today) or the stops went out of adjustment (indexing seemed to work
fine).
	Anyway, I noticed the spokes had significant gounges in them from the
chain.  My question is, should I immediately replace those spokes (are they
prone to breakage in the freehub/cassette (28t big cog) region) or can I ride
safely on the wheel for a while?

Thanks.
David.


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From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael Joseph Edelman)
Subject: Re: Symmetric rear hub
Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:54:31 GMT




Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: tedebear@leland.stanford.edu (Theodore Chen)
Subject: mounting wheel sensor on cannondale MTB
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 02:17:33 GMT


much to my annoyance, i've found that the sensor mounting
bracket of my new vette C-300 wireless is too small to
allow proper mounting on the fork of my cannaondale MTB.
(it's the pepperoni fork which starts out fat and gets fatter
as it goes up toward the head tube.)  i've moved the mounting
bracket as far up as i can and still be able to screw it down,
and it's still too far for the computer to pick up the signals.
i'm sure somebody must have run into this before... i would
really like to know what they did.  the only thing i can think
of is getting a longer screw to give me a little more room, but
the place i'd like to put the bracket is way fatter than the
inner diameter of the bracket.

thanks.
-teddy
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From: kevin@sara.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland)
Subject: Adjusting Simano 105 rear derailler?
Organization: Center for Optimization and Semantic Control, Washington University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:16:00 GMT


I have a bike with Shimano 105 components from the old "ultraglide" 6-speed
era.  Does anyone know the proper sequence of adjustments to get the
rear derailler tuned properly?  I just replaced the cables and want to
get it back to racing form.

Kevin Ruland
kevin@rodin.wustl.edu
From: frankh@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Frank Hamlin)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:31:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 105 Rear Derariler
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech

>    I've having trouble with my road bike shifting on it's own
>    sometimes.  When I am really hammering the sucker shifts to a higher
>    or lower gear.  The guys at the bike shop said they will fix it but
>    I have to bring it in and that over 3 hours away.  They said that
>    there all adjustment on the rear derailer that needs adjusting, does
>    anyone have a better description of what they are talking about , I
>    am not really into fixing bikes so I am not sure what to do?

I purchased a used bike, and had the same problem.  It turns out the
derailler was Shimano, and the cluster was SunTour.  The spacing was not
quite the same, and I could not get all the gears to shift smooth.
After replacing the cluster with a Shimano, it shifts perfect.

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1400 Fountaingrove Pkwy, Santa Rosa, Calif           _-\<,-\<, 
frankh@sr.hp.com   (707) 577-2084                   (*)/---/(*) 

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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Road Rash (WAS Clinchers vs. Tubular)
Keywords: oooch_ouch
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:59:56 GMT

In article <2930012100.0.wk01155@worldlink.com>, "Paul Esposito Jr." <wk01155@worldlink.com> writes:
|> Performance used to sell a product from Cramer (makers of Atomic Balm of 
|> jock strap fame) called Suds(?). It was supposed to assist in removing 
|> grit from strawberries caused by sliding in baseball or astroturf burn. 

The product was, I believe, "Cinder Suds".  It was used back in the days
of cinder (running) tracks...

Can anyone describe the apparently quite successful treatment that involves
some "artificial skin" product?
From: delbert.big@hal9000.uucp (Delbert Big)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Kits for riding on th
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: hal9000.179.61.uupcb
Reply-To: delbert.big@hal9000.uucp (Delbert Big)
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA

tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas) respondes:
TBM>>Anyone out there heard of kits for riding on railroad tracks?  Anything yo
TBM>>tell me about them would be appreciated.  Where do you get them from.  Wha
TBM>>they like?  What are the advantages/disadvantages of the various models?  

TBM>Riding a bicycle down railroad tracks?  Wouldn't balance be a *big* problem

Back in the good old days, track inspectors wrode a 3 wheeled pump 
bike type device.  The man sat over one rail and the third wheel
extented on an arm.  The weight of that wheel would keep the bike
top heavy to one side.  I don't see balance a problem.  You aren't
going to take any sharp corners either and stay on the track.

The idea of riding on railroad tracks sounds like fun, easy riding,
and the ability to keep out of traffic.  Being a railfan, I know
alot about the local railroads.  Riding the rails in the early 80's,
one would have a great choice of places to go due to alot of rail 
abondonments.  Today almost all the unused right-aways have been 
scrapped and returned to ajacent land owners.
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From: CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu (Chad Burkins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Cannondale Crit Frame
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:33:20 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hey riders,
   I'm conidering buying a Cannondale Crit Bike, but I would like
to do a good bit of long distance road riding with it.
I found a real good deal on the crit bike, but am I going to be
crying in pain after 100 miles ?  What kind of difference in
frame stiffness is there between the crit and a normal road bike ?
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From: robj@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Robert Johnson;Phd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Specialised Futureshocks
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:32:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Recently heard that Specialised Futureshocks may be going down to 249
quid over here later this month (currently 349), which, since I get
15% discount at a local store, makes them almost affordable.  I've
pretty much rejected the idea of a flexistem since most of you folks
reckon that they're very much a second best to 'real' shocks ;-)

So...what do you know about these shocks?   The chappie in the shop
thought that Specialized had only had one return worldwide on these!
A pinch of salt was dutifully taken.
	
			Cheers, RobJ


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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 6 Re: SPDs and Snow
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:51:39 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>Use SPD in Snow? Why? You'll have to wear thin little bike shoes instea
>of lightweight hiking boots with 3 pairs of socks.

>Mind you, even normal pedals aren't compatible with a pair of articulatd
>crampons. Maybe Look, who do ski-bindings too could come up with some
>pedal bindings to take ski mountaineering boots so that you could get
>off the bike and fit your skis or crampons for the technical bits.

>Anyone tried using an ice axe for braking/steering on a bike yet?
>I bet they're quite good for a deterrent in "technical traffic conditios" too.

No Problem!  Just get yourself a pair of the older type "bear-claw"
pedals with teeth on both sides.  Then, when the going gets tough,
just quick-release your wheels and toss them on your backpack.  The
bottom of the pedals and the big chain-ring should provide plenty
of traction on icy surfaces up to 45 degrees.  Beyond that, just
pick up the bike (still minus wheels) and swing it like an ice-axe
using the forks as the points (sharpening might help).  Note: Don't
try this with a front suspension, or you'll end up cratering at the
bottom of the ice cliff!

Mark (climbed every frozen waterfall in Florida this year) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: icsic231@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Bullseye Hubs
Reply-To: icsic231@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 02:03:40 GMT

In article <ssouth-031192162329@imu056-726186.ucs.indiana.edu>, ssouth@iugate.ucs.indiana.edu () writes:
>I just bought a used bike and it came with bullseys  hubs on it. What is
>the  proper way to adjust them. Do they need much maintanance? I am under
>the impression that i should just leave them alone  until they give me
>trouble and then at that point replace the sealed bearings. Is this right?
>I feel like i should be attending to these hubs a little more  because
>in all honesty i am very rough on them and they  go through mud and water
>at least three times a week.

I have had Bullseye hubs for about 6 months now, and have treated them with
great disrespect, they always get wet and muddy.  They are the lowest
maintnance hub I know of, and one of the most durable.  I seem to remember the
pamphlet that came with the hubs said to ride them till they fail, or to
perform maintnance on them every five years or something like that.  The
Bulseye bottom bracket does require frequent lubrication however.  You
shouldn't have to screw with the hubs at all.  Go Bullseye!! A once in a
lifetime purchase!

Jason Todd                          |"Please don't offer my God a Peanut"
icsic231@trex.oscs.montana.edu      |        ---Simpsons
From: theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu (George A. Theall)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Self-Healing Tube Progress Report
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:59:50 GMT
Organization: Social Science Computing, University of Pennsylvania

>The Specialized tubes come w/ a 6 mos warranty (replacement).  I sent
>them my old tube w/ a letter in july and have yet to hear from them.
>Perhaps they were irked because i requested equal value in butyl
>tubes, instead of a self healing tube.  grr.

  I doubt it. In my case it took 2 letters and close to 6 months before 
Specialized honoured their "warranty". And at least you got 1K miles 
out of yours; mine didn't hold air from the start.


George
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Road Rash (WAS Clinchers vs. Tubular)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:25:06 GMT

kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter) writes:

>When I've been treated by paramedics and at hospitals, they've used this 
>red liquid that looks like blood.  Is good ol' Ivory good enough compared
>to this?   Are there any medical experts (or at least people with some medical
>knowledge) out there?

No medical knowledge here, but you must be talking about Proviodine
Solution (povidone-iodine). The color is from the iodine. The indications
include among others: Disinfection of the skin, wounds, burns and
lacerations. I was recommended this by some m.d.'s.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Bar-end Shifters
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:17:30 GMT

>[What about bar-end shifters?]

Some swear by, some swear at...

Bar-ends let you shift in situations where you otherwise couldn't,
particularly braking and shifting on rough roads and things like that.

They also have more friction and stretch and are more likely to get
banged, causing false shifts, and they weigh more.

Another alternative is handlebar-mounted shifters that live in or
around the brake hoods.  These seem to be an improvement over other
kinds of shifters, with the caveat that many of them don't have a
friction mode.


If you do go with bar-ends, there are roughly three ways to run the
cable housing: along the handlebar, sprouting out near the stem; up to
near the brake hoods, and then sprouting out; and so they never run
under the handlebar tape at all.  I use all three setups and all seem
to work fine for friction, I've only tried the last with indexed
shifting.

	;-D on  ( The shifting sands of time )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: quick-release skewer failure?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 10:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.005048.25250@tvnews.tv.tek.com> daveh@soul.tv.tek.com (David M. Hayes) writes:
>You can thank the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), and our 
>litigious society for the stupid "OPEN" and "CLOSE" legends. Reminds me of the
>old Batman TV show where everything was labeled (e.g., "Air Supply Duct"). 

even better: my friend's new MTB had retainers for the wheels, which
also had quick release skewers.  you had to unscrew the quick release
most of the way to get the stupid retainers off.  what's the point
of having quick release levers if you're going to use the idiot tabs?
-teddy
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