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From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:51:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Oct7.185703.21882@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu> milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>>....
>>
>>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>>they as intense to both teams?
>
>I don't believe there is a single rivalry that the majority of college
>football fans would agree is the biggest rivalry. 
 
Agreed, there are many great rivalries with long traditions and histories.
 
>Certainly, as a
>Notre Dame fan, I'm partial to Notre Dame-USC, but, having had a long
>time at UCLA, I realize that UCLA fans view the UCLA-USC game as a bigger
>rivalry.  (I have no idea which of these games USC fans feel is bigger or
>more important.)
 
USC vs ucla is only for Los Angeles bragging rights.  There is an
intensity there, and the game is always up for grabs - no matter who
is ranked higher than who.
 
BUT, for USC Trojans, the USC vs Notre Dame rivalry is the biggest.
It has been nicknamed the "friendly rivalry", and was so up until 10
years ago.  Unfortunately some of that friendliness has died on both
sides.  The entire rivalry started back in the 20s or 30s (someone
else may have the date) when the President of USC and the President of
Notre Dame agreed to have the two teams play... They were both on a
train trip with their wives.  It seemed that the wife of the President
of Notre Dame liked Southern California weather, and the wife of the USC
president want to take her shopping...
 
Thus, a great rivalry started... 
 
Fight On USC!
 
Fight On ND! ...............(but we won't go into the N(D)BC controversy)
 
Brian A. Kowal

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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:42:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.152529.15176@news2.cis.umn.edu> milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>There have a lot of rivalries mentioned. I haven't heard from many Alabama
>fans. Who do you feel provides the most intense rivalry, the game that you
>would be willing to lose everything else as long a you can win that one.
>Auburn or Tennesee?  

    I can only speak for myself of course but there is *no* one game
that I "would be willing to lose every thing else" to win.  As for
the biggest rivalry, to me Auburn and Tennessee are close but the
nod probably goes to Auburn.

>Tenn-Alabama:
>  Bear Bryant's autobiography is named 'the Third Saturday in October'. 
>  Also the first college game ever televised was Tenn-Alabama

    Which autobiography is this?  The one I have (autographed too!)
is titled "Bear, The hard life and good times of Alabama's coach
Bryant" by Paul W. Bryant and John Underwood.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: CNN/USA Today Top 25 - 10/11/92
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:03:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81500

Okay, here's the CNN/USA Today top 25.  It's hot off the press:

 1) Miami (31)		5-0
 2) Washington (29)	5-0
 3) Michigan		4-0-1
 4) Texas A&M		5-0
 5) Alabama		6-0
 6) Florida State	5-1
 7) Colorado		6-0
 8) Nebraska		4-1
 9) Penn State		5-1
10) Stanford		5-1
11) Georgia		5-1
12) Notre Dame		4-1-1
13) Tennessee		5-1
14) Syracuse		4-1
15) Georgia Tech	4-1
16) Virginia		5-1
17) Mississippi State	4-1
18) Boston College	4-0-1
19) Clemson		3-2
20) North Carolina St.	5-2
21) Washington State	5-0
22) Southern California	2-1-1
23) Florida		2-2
24) West Virginia	3-0-2
25) Kansas		4-1

Now, for some observations/commentry:

Washington lost the top spot by 1 point although Miami has 2 more #1
votes.  This may imply that one coach voted Miami #3!!!  That is not
fair.  I'm no Miami fan, but I give credit where credit is due.  Miami
has a great team.  Sure, they've only squeaked out their last 3 wins
by a total of 7 points, but beating two top 5 teams in back-to-back
weeks, and one of them on the road, is no small feat.  Well, they're
#1 now, and although Washington is just as deserving after their best
showing of the year, beating a very good California team.  I don't
think Don James will be crying himself to sleep.  He's made it clear
that the only time he cares about the team's ranking is Jan 2.

As for the rest of the top 10, looks like the 'Bama offense is alive
and well and next week's meeting with Tennessee is going to be a
dandy.  Michigan keeps rolling along.  Some would argue that the
Wolverines are playing the best football in the country.  Granted, but
hold the phone... take a look at Stanford!  I would argue that they're
playing the best football/defense right now.

It's nice to see Washington State cracking the top 25.  They've quietly
put together a 5-0 record - one of only 6 undefeated, untied division
1 teams.  Hard to say if they can remain one because they have California,
UCLA, USC, Stanford, and Washington on their schedule.  Now, if they
do, I would argue that they're #1!!!!!

As far as conference breakdown, we have:

Conference	# in top 25	# in top 10
----------	-----------	-----------
ACC		     5		     1
SEC		     5		     1
Pac 10		     4		     2
Big East	     4		     1
Big 8		     3		     2
Independent	     2		     1
SWC		     1		     1
Big 10		     1		     1

Note:  This is assuming West Virginia is in the Big East.  True?
Food for thought for the "Which is the toughest Conference?"
debate.
-- 
Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Texas 34 - Oklahoma 24, Gardere 4-0 vs. OU
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: reza@voyager.me.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Distribution: usa
Originator: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu

Well, Texas quarterback Peter Gardere did what he does best - beat OU.
I don't much care for Gardere because were it not for his momentum
killing interceptions, Texas would be 5-0 and in the top 10.  Just
before the half, he tossed an interception when they were leading 17-10.
Great!  Here we go again.  Fortunately, the UT defense was outstanding
and the game was not nearly as close as the score would suggest.
If they continue to play like this, the SWC race will be decided when
the 11-0 Aggies roll into memorial stadium to take on the 8-2 Longhorns.
Wishful thinking?  Maybe.... but it's possible!!! 
-- 
Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cooper, Bruce, Ohio St
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:21:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Oct15.132154
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1992Oct15.144911.8739@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>Chicago Trib says Cooper may be gone at the end of the year to become head
>coach at Arkansas, that Glenn Mason can have the Ohio St job if he wants
>it.
>
I'm not sure if Mason would take this job.  The pressure to win at OhSt
is enormous...look at the coaches that are gone.  Also, Mason has done
a good/great job of building up KU's football team.
--
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(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Best Marching Band
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:34:12 GMT

zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree) writes:
>Feel free to wake me up when this subject matter passes.  I used to be in
>marching band and fully realize that if you wish to make your musical
>composition sound thoroughly awful, you should make a marching band
>arrangement for it.  

First of all, if you want the subject matter to pass then don't bring up 
discussion about it.  Second, we've been through this before.  It seems to be 
about even to whether or not this subject should be being discussed in this 
news group.  If you hate it that much, then just put the subject line in you
kill file and quit complaining!!!

As far as your attempted slam on marching bands goes, you must not have heard a
great marching band before.  That's the first thing that you need.  Second, is
the arrangement.  If the arrangement doesn't fit the marching band or simply
isn't a very good one then it can sound bad.  On the other hand, with the right
band (with the right instrumentation) and the right arrangement, just about 
anything can sound awesome.  We have an arranger that writes things SPECIFICALLY
for our band (Illinois).  He knows our instrumentation, and what kinds of sounds
we're capable of putting out.  He writes some GREAT arrangements that sound 
truly awesome out on the football field.  


  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	      			       Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Marsee Rankings & Predictions for 10/17/92
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:24:06 GMT

 >MARSEE DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL COMPUTER RANKINGS FOR WEEKEND ENDING 10/10/92
>                                                                             
>       (Power ratings in parenthesis - ties broken by defensive rating)      
>                                                                             
>91. NEW MEXICO     (373)
>96. SO METHODIST   (333)

Man, your poll is all screwed up.  SMU beat New Mexico.

GT
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:25:29 GMT

There have a lot of rivalries mentioned. I haven't heard from many Alabama
fans. Who do you feel provides the most intense rivalry, the game that you
would be willing to lose everything else as long a you can win that one.
Auburn or Tennesee?  

How about more examples or anecdotes of the intensity of the different
games mentioned. For example mentioned here and heard elsewhere:
Texas-TAMU:  
  Texas A&M building a bonfire in September for the Texas game on Thanksgiving
Stanford-Cal:
  Stanfords phone number for tickets = BEATCAL; band has a strange way of 
  affecting game outcome, ie running out on the field before last play is
  over (which game was this?) 
Tenn-Alabama:
  Bear Bryant's autobiography is named 'the Third Saturday in October'. 
  Also the first college game ever televised was Tenn-Alabama
Michigan-OSU:
  Woody Hayes would rather run out of gas than stop at a service station in
  Michigan (is this true?).
  Most Popular bumper sticker in Ann Arbor: OhHowIHateOhioState 
Auburn-Alabams:
  Auburn sells tickets to televised game in basketball stadium when 
  football stadium is sold out.
USC-Notre Dame:
  Notre Dame changes uniforms at half-time and behind, comes back to win
  Notre Dame team brought onto field inside a giant Trojan Horse, explodes
  out of it to take the field (is this true?)

Also, what games are televised every year no matter what?
for example:
  Michigan-OSU
  Notre Dame-USC
  Army-Navy
  Texas-TAMU
  Tennesee-Alabama ?
  Auburn-Alabama ? 

-any others?

bob
a Michigan fan


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From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:37:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: walt.9210162037.AA04052



This week's games:

Duke at Clemson:  Duke's winning ways come to a screeching halt.  Clemson
begins starting a real quarterback and Duke's gets hammered.

Clemson 40  Duke 20


Virginia at North Carolina:  Upset special.  Carolina's relatively healthy
again and I can't imagine UVa's mental attitude being very good.  Kirby
is out and UVa isn't the same team on grass (unlike the frats).  It'll be
a hard-fought game.

UNC 20  UVa 16


NC State at Virginia Tech:  Just call me Curtis McCarthy.  Tech stuns
State. (Oy, will I hear about this!)

Virginia Tech 24  NC State 22


Wake Forest at Maryland:  Maryland wins game number 2.  Sorry Wake.

Maryland 38   Wake 27


FSU at Georgia Tech:  Tech will make this game real exciting,
but I don't think they'll pull it out.

FSU  28  Tech 24




Last: 3-3 (no thanks to ECU and UVa)
Year: 17-7



Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:53:34 GMT

behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:

>  Washington cannot refuse the Rose Bowl, because the PAC-10 and BIG-10 have
>a contract.  If anyone foregoes playing in the Rose Bowl, they will face


Contracts usually run out.  How often is it renewed?  Surely it is not a 
death do us part contract???


Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

> 

>-Behzad

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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: UCLA WILL BEAT THE WSU COUGERS
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.162944.4044@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro) writes:
>
>I caught a brief blurb in the Seattle P-I this morning which indicated that
>Walker might not play.  Unfortunately, I had other pressing business to
>attend to (that's right, I iron for a living), and didn't read the article.
>Does anyone down in LA-LA land know the scoop?

According to the LA Times, this morning, Walker is out with a badly
sprained ankle.  Up to this point, Donahue had been repeatedly saying
that John Barnes, a senior transfer from UCSB (and a couple of other
schools, before that) would replace Walker, if necessary.  Now he's
saying that it will be either Barnes or Ryan Fien, one of two highly
regarded freshman quarterbacks UCLA had been planning to redshirt.
Donahue says that he will make the decision about who to start shortly
before the game.  Barnes has a bit more experience with practicing
for the UCLA offense, but Fien was regarded as the second best quarterback
entering college this year.  The two have apparently been taking roughly
the same number of snaps, in practice this week.  If Donahue doesn't
start Fien, Fien will probably not play, unless a disaster occurs, since
I think UCLA would still prefer to redshirt him.  (Especially considering
that Walker will probably be back for the next game.)

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: mearley@brtpa90.bnr.ca (Matt Earley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: mearley@bnr.ca
Distribution: usa
Organization: BNR, Inc., BNR-RTP Info Systems

In article <92281.224513MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>, mark rieker
<MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>         I can't believe it!  Notre Dame-USC?  Harvard-Yale?  How can
anybody
|>      make a list of great football rivalries without including the
grandaddy
|> 
|>              Lehigh vs. Lafayette !!!
                             ^
                             |
                             |
   Does anyone know if the Leopards are spotted in this one?
--
Matt Earley, BNR/NT  RTP, N.C.  |  I speak for myself not BNR/NT 
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: BYU vs. Fresno State
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:14:38 -0700

In article <steph.718928050@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
> OK, Cougar faithful who saw the Fresno State game -- did Lavell goof?
> In the fourth quarter, with a six point lead, BYU went for a 4th and
> inches play.  We made the play (and then the touchdown), but it was
> in easy field goal range, and a 9 point lead with <2 minutes left would
> have iced the win.
> 
> Of course, considering that Lauder missed the extra point, it doesn't look
> too bad.  Maybe Lavell's psychic.
> 

No, no, no, no, no.  He was just making up for the blunder he made in
the first half...

Cougs up 10-7 and driving toward the south endzone... Fourth and three...
We're playing a team who averages 40+ points a game, and we go for a
field goal to put us up by only six??? Fortunately, after FSU drove
for a score in their following possession, they missed their chip shot
extra point for a 13-13 tie. And...fortunately, FSU couldn't muster the
same offense in the second half that gave WSU,CSU and others fits.

Good fortune aside, how can you go for a field goal on 4th and 3 when you
are in a track meet with such a potent offense.. I say BYU had a 50-50 
chance of making that field goal and a slightly better chance that that to 
make that first down run...We were running at will against FSU and the
coach didn't think we could go three yards???

I've seen some great things from Lauder this year...but also some misses
in key games.  I think he is better than what we've had in the recent past
but field goals are not the answer against the Notre Dames, Penn States and
FSU's.

arthur
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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:39:46 GMT

In article <oer8z=C00iUx45v6pn@andrew.cmu.edu>, Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> The University of Virginia Pep Band is the most entertaining (if not the
|> most talented) "marching" band.
|> 
|> Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
|> opposing team stadiums?


    DOES ANYONE REALLY CARE ?????

 Sorry, couldn't resist...
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Guide for mailing the next I-AA top 10
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:05:06 GMT

As there seemed to be some amount of interest in the poll last week, I will 
continue to complile a I-AA top ten based upon email responses.

From now on, send me your I-AA top ten by Wednesday at noon, and I will compile
the results.

Thanks

PDunn
pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: JP SEC GotW?
Organization: Florida State University "Hindsight" Department
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:45:10 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>Jefferson-Pilot, in its infinite wisdom, has selected the pivotal
>SEC matchup of Arkansas at Tennessee. 

Gee, do you suppose somebody at JP has an in?

-- 
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.


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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's....
Keywords: any impact players...
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.180943.22641@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>I believe Mike Gundy was also a frosh.  But check with an Okie Goob to be sure.

Ok. Hey Bill, was Mike Gundy a frosh?

- goober (pop quiz) smith
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:33:40 GMT

In article <2AD3C73B.3076@news.service.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>   I guess I should have said `raises'. Sorry to bring up this thing
>   again...  My own brain has not been that sharp since I left  
>   Texas, you know...  No goobers around to keep my mind occupied !
>
>   GO HORNS !
>   Jay.

I tell ya RayJay, I never knew someone would miss me so much.  First you
stick up for us aggies against those mean old sooners, now you give us
goobers a compliment like that.  RayJay, you've just got to be the sweetest 
cow I've ever had the pleasure of e-conversing with.

- goober (you care, you really do care) smith
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From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:14:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <yvonne.719098609@well.sf.ca.us>, yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
> In <ga7-f9B@engin.umich.edu> chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >	Rose Bowl is still pretty good.  The international exposure is really
> >really good.  The money is really really really really really really really 
> >really really really really good. 
> > 
> >	Beside, PSU is joining the Pac now.  So the competition should be
> >better.  
> 
> >	How about Miami or FSU join the Big Ten?  
> 
> Boy, where does he get his (mis)information?`

	It was merely a suggest because people have been bickering about
teams hiding behind the ROSE BOWL and don't want to come out to face 
real teams such as Miami and FSU.  So I said why don't they join the pac
and come to play these teams.

>- Chung Yang
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: TEXAS 34 ou 24
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:25:37 GMT
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In <1992Oct12.161736.8435@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:

> Olka-who?  Gundy-who?
> 
> Isn't ou lucky that Gardere is graduating.
> 
> Woof
> Woof
> 
> Now, hopefully _somebody_ will take the Longhorns seriously.

  I'm 99.97% certain that TCU is scared shitless. :-)
  
  Do Not Taunt the Woofing Gods.  They *will* get you.  Just look at what 
happened to the Philadelphia Eagles...


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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