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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Warning!  Beware of Vendor
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:13:10 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23818

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting Robert Jaquiss to All 04 Aug 92 20:24:24

 RJ> I can understand who a vendor would want people putting disks in
 RJ> their machines.  Your diskette could have had a virus on it and you
 RJ> might not even know it.  This is especially true if your disk had
 RJ> been used in several machines.

Hello Robert, I must disagree with you.  I don't care if that German
uses ten virus shields.  If I'm to pay fifteen thousand dollars for a
laptop from an unknown company, what am I to do?  He might get a virus?
 I might get a fifteen grand boat anchor.  I'm not likely to get a
 virus on my disk from another computer by just typing a text file to
 the screen.  Besides, I had my disk right protected, so therefore,
 getting a virus on it would be impossible.  Yet this guy thinks we
 should plunk down a small fortune for his laptop.  How does the screen
 reader work?  What features does it have, compared with those in the
 US?  How accurate is the braille translator?  How good is the
 synthesizer?  Thanks but no thanks.  As I said over on Blindtalk, I've
 had many people scan and save the material on my disks at
 conventions, from adhoc, Kurzweil, and many Arkenstone dealers, not to
 mention Arkenstone themselves.  If vendors are paranoid, let them get
 virus protection software.  But you see, in the case of BAUM, I wasn't
 going to be saving to disk, just running this ASCII file.  But no
 matter.  No one in his right mind would buy that computer for that much
 money from an unknown company anyway.  Keith Bucher.

... If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy folks?

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From: Darrell.Shandrow@p0.f11.n2250.z1.fidonet.org (Darrell Shandrow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Jaws stuff
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:59:28 GMT
Reply-To: Darrell.Shandrow@p0.f11.n2250.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2250/11.0 - Sullivan Radio Shac, Carlinville IL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23707

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i have seen a case where the smart screen actually does mess up an
application's performance.

when running a morse code program, my friend tina's computer was unable
to generate the sounds properly.

now, she has both jaws 2.2 and 1.7 on her toshiba 1200.   under 1.7 it
worked fine.

under 2.2 it screws up.   she called hj and we found out that smart
screen can slow down the cpu significantly and this is deadly to a morse
code program which relies on timing to create the correct sounds at the
right speeds.

so, turning off smart screen altogether, i mean by going in and clearing
the frame monitor on insert r, solved that problem.

73

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: "Blind Loyalty"
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23742

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

all organizations tend to look down
 DS> on members who openly share discenting viewpoints outside that
 DS> organization.   don't tell me that acb doesn't have this problem too

I have never heard of anyone to be expelled from ACB for doing that.

Walter

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From: Bob.Dunlap@f360.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Dunlap)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: amusement parks & wheels
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:57:31 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Dunlap@f360.n226.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/360 - Hangar 18, Columbus OH

Index Number: 23693

saturday, i went to king's island. since i cannot walk very far, i
had to rent a wheelchair. when i returned it, i commented that they
could do anything more to make it unaccessable. i found it
extremely difficult to get around the park. yes cobblestone & brick
make a for a very nice looking road, but it's not easy to putter a
wheelchair over. most of the lines were impossible to navigate, so
i would leave my wheelchair by the strollers and stand in line. the
other problem i encountered was that most of the surfaces were
slanted (i presume to let water flow). then there were a lot of
times where there would be unexpected dips & bumps further
complicating navigation.

has anyone else experienced similar difficulties?

bob

___
 * Amiga-Reader V2.00B * Tac Nuke Lake Edna!

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From: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Alfaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Tinytalk 1.20 is here!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:24:49 GMT
Reply-To: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23873

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 EB> Version 1.20 of Tinytalk, the powerful and affordable screen
 EB> reader from OMS Development, is FINALLY available!  The most
 EB> significant new feature is an independent audio cursor for
 EB> "modeless review."  We've also added user-defined punctuation
 EB> pronunciation (want to hear "dot" instead of "point"?  Want to
 EB> hear "dot" at the DOS prompt, "period" in WordPerfect and
 EB> "point" in Lotus?), selectable order for reading multiple
 EB> windows, a "read current character" hotkey, and much more.  The

Eric,

Sounds very nice.  Do you have any idea at all when you will be adding
support for desqview?  So far, the only package that works reliably
under desqview is Vocal eyes.  That has been my experience at least.
Jaws does work, but very unreliably.  I would love to add Tiny Talk to
the list of those screen readers that work well under desqview.  I spend
90% of my pc time under dv so if you ever decide to add the support, you
will get my registration for sure, guaranteed!

Regards,
Rick

... Silver Xpress makes it's motion picture debut as the "The Emailator"!

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: braille literacy
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23952

Base line literacy reading rate in braille is 100 words per minute.
Base line literacy writing rate in braille is 30 words per
minute with perkins and 20 words per minute with slate and stylus.
These are the standards that Arkansas Enterprises for the blind uses.
Good reading rate for braille is 150 words per minute or above.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: GUIDE DOG BLUES
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:12:13 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23793

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Christopher,

I can very much appreciate your anger, both at the motels and at the
NFB.  I have experienced the same kinds of feelings when I was not
refused occupancy but I was required to move to a lesser room because of
my dog.  This was certainly not the same, but it made me angry.

However, I have to say that I don't think you are being fair to judge
what everyone in the NFB feels or what the NFB policies are regarding
dogs by a chapter president's insensitivity.  I have felt before that
the NFB is a bit on the insensitive side toward dogs.  I know that is
true because I felt that way before I decided to get a dog.  However, I
believe this is changing, and I think we need to get out there and let
people know that dog users have the same rights as cane users.

The NFB has a dog guide division.  Its president is Paul Gabias, but I
don't have his address or phone number handy.  If you contact that
national office you should be able to get it.  Someone on this echo is
apt to have it and tell you what it is.

While I think it may be fairly unlikely that you would end up spending
the night in a car because of being refused at motel after motel, I
think that your experience, as well as that of others, indicates that
there is still a lot of work to be done.  I am sorry about your
experience, and if I should come into more information, I will forward
it to you.  I do hope, though, that you will not judge all of the
leaders in the NFB by your experience.

Cindy Hallenbeck

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From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23738

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 KB> said on this echo before, and I'll say it again.  It isn't all
 KB> bad, but for the price of that bNS, and taking in to account
 KB> how little it can actually do along with the notebooks out
 KB> there such as yours, why in the world does everyone and his
 KB> brother, and sister, for that matter, seem to have one?

Keith,
     And I've said this before in this echo, and I'll say it again...

     The reason you saw hundreds of people at the ACB convention with
their Braille 'n Speaks tossed over their shoulder is..

1.  Many of them probably have never used a computer, wanted to use a
computer, and simply wanted a braille input device that can store all
those little things that sighted people keep in a similarly sized paper
pad.

2.  Chuck spoke about his 6 pound notebook, which I assume doesn't
include the external synthesizer he would also have to carry around if
he wanted to use it like a Braille 'n Speak!  You have any idea what the
difference between 2 pounds and 6 pounds plus can mean to convenience?

3.  The size and unobtrusiveness of a notebook computer and synthesizer
and a Braille 'n Speak can't even begin to be compared, and anyone who
thinks they can has obviously not experienced carrying them both around,
something I have done!

4.  Although comparing a Braille 'n Speak and a notebook computer may
not be an apples and oranges thing, it is most definitely an oranges
versus grapefruit thing, and yes, although this doesn't justify a high
price tag at today's standards, the BNS has been around a hell of a lot
longer than the new, low priced notebook computers!

     I will admit, the price of the Braille 'n Speak coming down would
make me a lot happier, but you guys comparing it with the price of a
notebook computer cracks me up!  Let's add to that notebook computer
price a synthesizer, a speech program, and just the software necessary
to duplicate the things the Braille 'n Speak does do, and we're talking
a far more expensive item.  Even after we do all this, the portability
just isn't there, nor is the braille input capability some may prefer!
How can you be ignoring the fact that a notebook computer isn't an
adaptive device, so it has a very large potential market!  Since when
does comparing the price of a device that is in the general market with
a device that has only the visually disabled as a market result in
anything but these kinds of results???

     It isn't ignorance that has produced so many happy Braille 'n Speak
owners, it's simple satisfaction with the product!
                                        Willie

... It's easy to see both sides of an issue you're not concerned with!

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From: Eric.Bohlman@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Bohlman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Tinytalk 1.20 is here!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: Eric.Bohlman@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23820

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

[Note from Bill McGarry: This is also now available via
 anonymous ftp from handicap.shel.isc-br.com in the /pub/speech
 directory as TTALK120.ZIP]

Version 1.20 of Tinytalk, the powerful and affordable screen reader
from OMS Development, is FINALLY available!  The most significant
new feature is an independent audio cursor for "modeless review."
We've also added user-defined punctuation pronunciation (want to
hear "dot" instead of "point"?  Want to hear "dot" at the DOS
prompt, "period" in WordPerfect and "point" in Lotus?), selectable
order for reading multiple windows, a "read current character"
hotkey, and much more.  The user manual has been thoroughly
rewritten.  We now support the new Echo PC synthesizer
transparently (Tinytalk can detect which model you're using).

Tinytalk is still shareware, and the registration fee is still only
$75.  We WILL have a configuration conversion program available for
registered users within a week, at which point a free upgrade will
be sent out to all registered users.

Tinytalk has been uploaded to the Braille Bank (129/168) as
TTALK120.ZIP (it would have gone to BlinkLink, but Willie's fast
modem is in the hospital).  It's now up to 337K, mostly because of
the larger manual.

Thanks to all for your suggestions and your patience.

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From: David.Venable@p0.f14.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Venable)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: epidural pump
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:26:22 GMT
Reply-To: David.Venable@p0.f14.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/14.0 - Busker's Boneyard, Portland OR

Index Number: 23881

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Hi. My wife was injured on the job two years ago and has had hronic back
pain since. After bone scans,MRI, Cat scans and nerve induction (EMG?)
studies, they still can't find the cause.
 Two weeks ago they did an epidural with .03 mg. MS and she got some
relief.
 Now they want to implant an epidural pump. My question is, Should she?
anyone out there have one? what are the pros and cons?
                Thank you,

                 Dave

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From: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Nobrega)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: window bridge and syntha-voice
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.0 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23857

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

As far as the validityof syntha-voice and their products is
concern, i would like to     point out that A.T&T demonstrated
Window Bridge at the NFB National Convention.
They would have to be crazy to demo a product that didn't work;
as they would not want to taint their reputation in the industry.
Also; the product has been reviewed by Byte magazine.
Therre will be an article in the September issue written
by Joe Lazzaro; a well known blind author who
heads the Technical Division of the State Commission for the
blind in Boston.
In the October issue of Byte; Amanda Waterfield from Byte
magazine will have an
artical on Window Bridge.
Once again; would sources of this reputation jepardize their
standing intheir field by writing about a ficticious or poor
product?
Negotiations are underway with Windows magazine; who
will be publishing an article on the product.

i really hope that this bit of info wil help to correct some
unfair perceptions and give syntha-voice and its staff the
credibility it deserves. i feel that when such a firm is devoting
so much energy in bettering our conditions, it should be
encouraged, not put down. even if some things were not adequate,
there are ways of informing the concerned firm or person;
mouthing them will not help the blind in any way, espacially
whenthe the  criticism is not not coming from informed sources.
let's work together rather than against each other.
paul

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From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Fried Death !!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:39:28 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23942

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <03 Aug 92 21:58> Curtis Oglesby wrote:

 CO> I try to eat "sensible" and I blow up like a basketball because I
 CO> can't "increase the releases."  Really painful.  The quad irony.

A study by Craig Hospital was written up in NEW MOBILITY's summer
issue and reports that 'gastric dilation' (stomach expansion) which
can life threating.

 CO> Antihistimines provide relief from sinus drainage but relax the
 CO> bladder muscles.  The quad irony.

They also can cause kidney and liver damage.

 CO> Maintenance dosages of antibiotics fend off infections but are
 CO> hard on the stomach.  The quad irony.

Maintenance doses of any antibiotic should be avoided because they
weaken the bodies natural defences.  In addition, when you do get
an infection while taking a maintenance drug, the infection is
often harder to get rid of.

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From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: braille n speak compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:02:24 GMT
Reply-To: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23728

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TW> that is the extent of it. that is one reason I would never buy
 TW> this seventeen hundred dollar

Tandy,
    Just for the sake of accuracy, and since I now see that it is the
old model BnS your employer purchased..

    It has a retail price of $895,  and the 640k has a price of $1299.
    The Blazie personal braille printer, the Blazer, costs about $1700,
so maybe that's why you've heard that figure being tossed around...
                                        Willie

... It's easy to see both sides of an issue you're not concerned with!

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From: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Laflin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Hatred
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:28:46 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/98 - The SCAM, Rockledge FL
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23894

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LG>did not cover the complete story.  I am not hostile to the deaf.  I AM deaf.
LG>My hostility is towards those people who accuse my of not "accepting" the
LG>fact that I am deaf, and looking down on me because I prefer to continue to
LG>belong to the hearing culture that I grew up in (I became deaf as an adult),
LG>and because I do not want to switch over to Deaf Culture -- which I regard a
LG>foreign to me.

  I lost it at 7, more early, yet I always resisted attempts to get me
  to go with other Deaf, I wasnt either against them, it was the
  attempts to get me to join in, where i was uncomfortable, being a
  lipreader and only praticing that and not the time for sign, nor the
  wish for it, since i went thu public school, I had friends who were
  hearing, I enjoyed the assocation for deaf picnics etc, however
  neither did i want to accept that i was deaf, i never felt a part of
  the true deaf < ie: born deaf>, or deaf at very early age, and there
  IS a difference, one who HEARD, who retains memorys of Hearing just
  cant accept this deaf culture thing.

     Im not either being bigoted, i simply am pointing out  that i agree
     alot with you and that those who promulgate deaf culture and are
     hostile to any of us who cant agree simply cant see it our way.

   I do think that those born deaf, or lost hearing veryvery young do
   have a culture in the sense that they have no real idea of what
   hearing is.

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From: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Windows access maybe
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23825

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I ordered the Windows Bridge right after the NFB convention and haven't
 gotten anything yet.  We have a nice machine waiting, 486/50 Compuadd
with 16 megs.  It is going lonely.

David Andrews

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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23766

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Well, I think that is where it is going to get interesting to see
how well Type 'N Speak will do.  If I can buy a 386 25 MHZ notebook
with a 40 meg harddisk and 2 meg of RAM for $1,565, one of the new
Echo portables for $129, and TinyTalk for $75. Then the entire
investment is only a couple of hundred more than what I understand
the price will be on the Type 'n Speak.  Of course, you will be
carrying 7 pounds instead of 1 or 2 pounds, and there is still the
idea that if you leave the Type 'N Speak setting around somewhere
no sighted guy is going to take it since they couldn't use it
because it doesn't have a monitor.  In addition the battery life on
a notebook never will get anhy place close to that of the Braille
'N Speak or Type 'N Speak.

On the other hand, I guess I still like my Toshiba 1000 real well,
and I rarely ever even use the old SmallTaLK I have setting up in
the closet collecting dust.  So, guess we will just wait and see.

        D. T.

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From: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: what a surprise
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:02:48 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23731

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Bill,

About the NFB Hams.  The dues are $5.  The club is hoping to affiliate
with ARRL, and there has to be 50%, I think it is, of the members who
are ARRL Members.  I suppose you must be a member of the NFB to be in
the group, but you were, at least before.  Anyway, that's the only
requirement.  I can ask Curt Willoughby about it.

No, I hadn't heard about your job.  I'd like to know more about it.  I
hope you are enjoying it as much as I am enjoying mine.

Thank you for the nice complement.

Cindy H.

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