HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Deja vu or reincarnation of Farzin
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:00:59 GMT

karbasi@cis.ohio-state.edu writes:

>kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran) writes:

>>
>>Farzin writes:
>>
>>>PS. Deja vu, no? I come back after 8 months to go over the same old stuff.
>>


>	Dear Farzin,

>	Your disappearing and reappearing in SCI looks more like a
>	reincarnation than anything.  And speaking of reincarnation,
>	here is a story for you.

. . . 

>Sincerely,

>   > 9-o-^-o



And Mr. karbasi is reincarnated once more just to 
write about Farzin's reincarnation !  :-)

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Summary: Is Zadeh really Iranian?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 02:08:38 GMT


I have read your article about Fuzzy Logics and would appreciate if you
let me know that is Dr. Lotfi Zadeh mentioned in the article the same
person as the reputed theoritical electrical engineer and computer	
scientist Dr. Asker Lotfi Zadeh or not. In the case that he is then	
it must be mentioned that he is of Iranian decent but is an American
citizen by birth right. 

Recently when Dr. Nikki Kamran won some awards for his works in
application of Lie groups, I heard that he was Iranian. Later when
I studied his biography it turned out that he is from Belgium.

Your respond will be appreciated.

                  Vahid Tarokh 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati)
Subject: Re: Bahais please give us a break
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:39:50 GMT

kambizm@ifi.uio.no  writes:



>Can you Bahai propagandists give us a break. I doubt that anybody
>will convert on this net, moslem or nonmoslem. 

No one is doing any propaganda here. And certianly no one wants to
convery anyone. 

Either you have missed the start of the disscussions or you are just not
following the disscusstions and just sick of all the article with Baha'i
or Baha'u'llah in their subject line.

For your information Baha'is are just tring to answer back all the
unfair and untruth accussitions. Just one question: would you stay quiet 
if you were accussed of some thing that your not or some thing you don't
do? If you wanna put an stop to it, ask your friends to STOP accussing
Baha'is of thing that they don't do and thing that they are not.

>                                             Kambiz

Tooraj
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From: CCMAHTAJ@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:54:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: mizzou1.1682E8B81.CCMAHTAJ
Organization: University of Missouri

In article <1992Jul23.173605.1974@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
 
>
>  Some stuff deleted
>
>Another aspect of the telling of whether a person is a true prophet or not
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is by the action of his followers. It seems that among the 4 groups that I am
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>talking about, Bahais are no better and no worse than anyone else. I have not
>seen anything special about Bahais, if I wanted to be strict, I think the
>nation of Islam are the best followers of their religion. They pray 5 times a
>day. They fast more consistently than people of other religions do (even
>regular Muslims) they are more strict in abstaining from alcohol than regular
>Muslims and even eating pork. They are healthier because their youth are forced
>to exercise and abstain from smoking and their standards of morality are
>higher. They are actively involved in fighting the problem of drugs in this
>country. Their are bad apples in every group but I have never seen a group with
>fresher apples. "By their fruits ye shall know them..."
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>In essence I have not seen anything in Bahai that would distinguish itself as a
>true religion, the more I read the more I am ambivalent about it.
>
>sincerely
>
>zafar minhas
 
Dear Mr. Minhas,
 
Would I be correct to conclude, from the two underlined sentences in the
above paragraph, that "ye shall know the religion of islam from the
actions of its followers" ? If so, then I would like to know, on a large
scale, who you consider the followers of islam in today's world.
 
Sincerely,
Mahtaj Khamneian
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Divide and Rule! (was: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Organization: VezArateh Addliyyeh
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:41:39 GMT

In article <Bs7AGL.EK3@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>I think he simply was saying that Ahmad AghA does not need
>to confirm or assess in this public forum the already wrong idea that
>americans(or other foreigners) have from middle eastern muslim
>cultures.

Aha. That's the whole point. Americans or other foreginers do have
lotsa wrong ideas about Middle Eastern cultures. I used to have a 
roommate who thought I always ate "falafel" while growing up, whereas
I had never seen nor heard of "falafel" until I was in the U.S. Such
misconceptions are common and we all have encountered them. But some
of the stuff that Ahmad and others have brought up, are not misconceptions
in the eyes of the foreigners. They are true and living concepts in our
country. To me, what Kaveh says, is "Aberoo moon ro jeloyeh inhA nabar"
What Aberoo? We all know what we are. What does it matter what they 
think of us? Not that they are so holly themselves.  Maybe he is
right in the sense that we should not give the stereotypists and 
prejudiced people any more ammunition than they have. But none of
this changes any of the facts.

>
>For example you cannot blame the CIA coup to overthrow Mossadegh,
>on us (not the country :-), can you?? There are other examples of course...

I sure as hell can do that. I can't blame you or I per say, because we 
were not born then. But I can blame other Iranians for it. Iranians
carried out that coup. CIA financed and planned it. Do names like
Sha'bAn bi-mokh, (at the time) Sarhang Ne'matollAh Nassiri, Sephabod
FazlollAh ZAhedi ring a bell??? They sound quite Iranian to me, don't
they to you? 


Aref
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: About Baha'u'llah...
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:59:45 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <TOWFIQ.92Jul22084356@nighthawk.clearpoint.com>
towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq) writes:

[A long article containing words of wisdom from "Baha'u'llah" deleted.]

>   Baha'u'llah did perform many miracles during His life, such as
> physical healing, raising people from being physically dead, and so
> on.  

Oh, if only we had more of these "physical-healers" and "dead-raisers" around!
We would have less miseries in the world (assuming they didn't raise the wrong
people from dead :-)), and they would also help to unify the world in a big
family of like-minded harmonious non-political and peaceful people :-)

>   I hope this is the beginning of an answer to your question.
                       ^^^^^^^^^

Oh, no, please!  I have been consoling myself that I haven't lost much from our
temporary break from the news and the erratic way of receiving it lately, just
because most of it has been filled-up by our Baha'i friends so keen to
enlighten us by their wisdoms.  Now, it seems that every (new or old) question,
sincere or not, is going to be responded by a flood of articles and quotations.
So, a humble plea to our Baha'i friends: Could you please, whenever you find an
urge to respond to a comment or question (and quote streams of wisdom) do
either of the following:

	Refer the poster to soc.cuture.bahai (or may be a FAQ file), and
	give the detailed answers there;

	Respond by mail to the poster, and say so (if you wish) on the news.

This way, you won't waste too much of band-width, won't look too pushy in your
propoganda (and not be seen as doing something "political"), won't generate
comments like mine above (on healing etc!), won't derive away readers from this
newsgroup who are fed-up with all these (forget my expression) naive and stupid
religious propoganda exercises, look more respectable all round - and help to
keep the SCI family more at peace with each other.

-hossein

P.S.  However, I urge you to respond to questions (and misrepresentations)
about HISTORICAL FACTS or cultural aspects of the Baha'i community.  Poems by
Qorrat-ol-Ein for instance?  Or her bold campaigns for women's rights?
Hooshyar, are you related to Molla-Ahmad-e Neraghi (writer of Me'raaj-os-Sa'aadeh)?
Was he (or did he become) a Baha'i?  I am curious.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi)
Subject: Re: A suggestion on how to improve athletic skills in some other areas.
Organization: EE Dept, University of Maryland
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:20:04 GMT

In article <sehari.712274728@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>For example, bicycling.  I could bet, I might be able to out speed the 
>champion of the bicycling in the Olympic, If I put my mind on it and practice.
>After all, I used to bicycle more than 7 Km to my school and back. In some 
>cases, I could remember, I was going faster than cars in the Tehran's street.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As I can recall, pedestrians could walk faster than cars. Tehran was famous
for being a huge parking lot! :)

>                               Babak   Sehari.

-Reza

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXII
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:57:26 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			50

	A Hair perhaps divides the False and True;
	Yes; and a single Alif were the clue---
	Could you but find it---to the Treasure-house,
	And peradventure to THE MASTER too;

			51

	Whose secret Presence, through Creation's veins
	Running Quicksilver-like eludes your pains;
	Taking all shapes from Mah to Mahi; and
	They change and perish all---but He remains;

			52

	A moment guess'd---then back behind the Fold
	Immerst of Darkness round the Drama roll'd
	Which, for the Pastime of Eternity,
	He doth Himself contrive, enact, behold.

			53

	But if in vain, down on the stubborn floor
	Of Earth, and up to Heav'n's unopening Door
	You gaze TO-DAY, while You are You---how then
	TO-MORROW, when You shall be You no more?


			*****
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: ONE PROBLEM W/ ``How the government can help.''!
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:54:30 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

In article <babak.711776145@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu>, babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

	[stuff deleted]

I think there is ONE MAJOR problem with your discussions!!! That being the
comparison between Iran and the US or some advanced European countries!

That is unwise, dangerous, misleading and somewhat irrelavent!!!

Why don't you guys (gals) compare Iran with countries like:

	Argentina, Brazil, Turkey, Egypt, South Korea, Portugual,
	Mexico, Australia and such...?

Perhas this type of comparison will help you realize where we truly stand
and at times fortunate that we are WELL ahead of some of these countries
that are regarded by others (e.g. US, ECC, etc.) as modern nations!!!

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Ali..
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From: rdc@netcom.com (Rajagopalan Dabholkars Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.motss,talk.bizarre
Subject: CREATION OF ALT.WANTED.MOSLEM HEIRARCHY
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:19:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.motss,misc.test,alt.newbie
Organization: Herbalife Inc.


As per the below requests, the following newsgroups have been created:

	alt.wanted.moslem.women
	alt.wanted.moslem.men
	alt.wanted.moslem.gay

---------------------------------

IN SOC.CULTURE.IRANIAN ahmad@frisco.unet.com (Ahmad Esmaeili) wrote:
)
)     I have received many positive replies from our brothers in Islam in 
)     support of starting the "alt.moslem_girls.wanted" newsgroup. Some
)     sisters suggested the creation of another newsgroup called
)     "alt.moslem_men.wanted". 

IN SOC.MOTSS gooley@netcom.com (M. Gooley) writes:
)
)     As a gay muslim, I would be interested in a corresponding
)     gay moslem newsgroup.
)

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
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Dietary Researcher,
Fiber Team,	     "Be one, be peace, be  like the hajiputki"
Herbalife Inc.			-Maharji Marhiyogi
E-mail:  rdc@netcom.com
_______________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: romel@athena.mit.edu (Romik Sarkezians)
Subject: The shooting down of Iranian Airliner.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:34:43 GMT

Hi there,

The other day I was listening to a Radio talk show about the downing of Iranian
Airliner over Persian Gulf and subsequent disinformation to sort of lessen the 
guilt of U.S(Warship). One question that was raised and still bothers me was
that why the bodies that appeared in the water were naked. Was that the normal
aftermath of disintegration of the plane or there is something strange or 
peculiar about that?. I have seen only one picture, that in the NewsWeek, and I
was wondering are there more than one picture of this tragedy showing bodies
in the state of nakedness? 

			-Thanks
				-Romik
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:43:26 GMT
	<1992Jul22.044230.13899@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Jul22.194050.13572@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Jul22.194050.13572@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> bai@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu (Baback A. Izadi) writes:

 @In the biography of one of his papers, he claims to be born
 @in Russia and does not mention Iran at all. It does say that
 @he got his B.S. from Tehran University (No mention of Iran).
 @It seems to me that he does not want to be associated with
 @Iran for whatever reason. 

Simply because you have found ONE paper which does not mention
Iran, you have concluded that he does not want to be associated
with Iran?!
     
 @It is worth mentioning that he is also the creator of
 @Z-transform.  
 @
 @>He is a credit to Iran and the world.
 @>
 @I tend to disagree about the Iran part. It is truly sad that
 @our scientist can only flourish in a foreign country.

That is simply not true. There are many first-class scientists
in Iran. Perhaps the most famous example is Prof. Hesaabi, a
prominent physicist.
  
 - Farzin
          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: skataba@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Sam Atabaki)
Subject: Recipe for "pAloodeh"
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:51:02 GMT

Salaam:
I appreciate if someone could send me a good recipe for making
paaloodeh (faaloodeh). Also, where can I find the necessary
"reshteh", and what kind is it?

Thanks,
Siavash.

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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: CREATION OF ALT.WANTED.MOSLEM HEIRARCHY
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:03:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <nbmmlwb.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Rajagopalan Dabholkars Chemmanoor) writes:
>
>As per the below requests, the following newsgroups have been created:
>
>	alt.wanted.moslem.women
>	alt.wanted.moslem.men
>	alt.wanted.moslem.gay
...

If you've created newsgroups based on just these requests, and not
the usual voting and discussion periods, then you've committed
a grevious breach of USENET protocol.  

And why do you insist on being so inflamatory (your real intent,
no doubt)?   I can hardly think of more a inflamatory posting.
Disagreeing over policy is one thing, but deliberately
trying to provoke others is childish and just sows seeds of 
discord very deeply.  Can't you summon up sufficient wit
and intellect to defeat your adversaries with your prose?
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:21:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More on the Bahais and the Criminal Khomeini
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:26:21 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
>
>In regards to similarity between Ahmadiat and the Baha'i Faith I 
>must say that they are very different. Baha'i Faith claims to be an
>independent religion, while Ahmadiat claims to be a movement within
>Islam. There are many other differences which I will not mention here
>for the sake of brevity.
>
>Kamran Hakim

	You are right about  the differences between Ahmadis and the
	Bahais. The similarities between the Ahmadis and the Bahais
	which I talked about that both of them were created by the 
	British to serve the exploitation of the countries concerned.

	The same way Khomeini was made by France and the USA because 
	they knew the Shah of Iran was finished and the Iranian people
	are going to topple him and replace him by a descent regime to
	serve the people of Iran so they brought the Khomeini to ruin
	Iran and kill 100s of thousands of Iranian.

	Before Khomeini came to Iran he was the Guest of Honour of
	France, the same France that Killed 2 million Muslim Algerians.
	The French were looking after Khomeini so when the USA decides
	to change the Shah so Khomeini can be flown to Iran and they
	DID.

	The Khomeinist, the Bahais and the Ahmadis are all the making
	of the Colonials who do not wish the Midle East any good so they
	will all ( Khomeinists Bahais and Ahmadis ) go to the Gutter of
	History.

A Jaber
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Who was that Iranian Olympic team member
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:13:15 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


You guys, I am sure that some of saw the opening cermony of the 
Olympic on NBC. I am wondering if anybody knows who the
iranian skiny guy with long hair dude was that was marching in the
middle of the second row. He had hair longer than his forhead
and he was kind of tacky guy. 
I thought those looks are kind of band in Iran but it was very
surprising to see them back.

Does anybody know the dude?

Saeid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:36:51 GMT

payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:

|>tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID) writes:

|>>I have checked the original paper of Dr. Asker Lotfi Zadeh and
|>>I can assure you that the creator of Fuzzy Logics is not Iranian. 
|>>He is an American born but is half Persian. I hope that this
|>>convince you to do a better search next time that you find an
|>>"Iranian" scientist.

|>>                 Vahid

|>Well my friend I suggest you double and triple check your 
|>sources on this.  Dr. Lotfi A. Zadeh was born of Iranian
|>parents (jounalists at the time serving in the former
|>Soviet Union), and has his Bachelor of Science Degree in
|>Electrical Engineering from the University of Tehran, 
|>obtained in the 1940's.   He is a citizen of Iran and
|>the United States.  I have personally talked to him and
|>find him a true gentleman as well as a distinguished
|>scientist.  It is important to note that in the field
|>of Electrical Engineering there are only two scientists who 
|>single handedly initiated a new field and are still alive:
|>Claude Shannon (Communication Theory) and  Lotfi Zadeh (
|>Fuzzy Set Theory).

Dr. Lotfi Asghar ZAdeh is indeed an amazing individual, and
at the age of 70 or 71, is Professor Emeritus and Director of
Berkeley Initiative in Soft Computing, UC Berkeley, CA. I have
been fortunate to be able to attend three of his lectures, the
last one was on July 13th, 92 when he gave his keynote lecture
at the start of the 2nd BC Workshop on Intelligent Control and 
Applications.  Interestingly, the main speaker of this 3-day workshop,
Dr. M. Jamshidi, AT&T professor of manufacturing engr, director of CAD
lab for systems/robotics, the Univ of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
is also IrAnian, and they both openly identify with and acknowledge
their IrAnian origins. 

Its amazing how so many distinguished hosts mis-pronounce Dr. A. ZAdeh's
first name as Lofti (rather than Lotfi)  I could probably dig-up
a couple of papers where his name is similarly mis-spelled ;-).

At the outset of his public lecture on Fuzzy Logic last year, the
host introduced him as "Dr. Lofti ZAdeh, born in Baku, at the shores
of Caspian Sea". I am pretty sure he received his Ph.D in the U.S.
(forgot which university) a few years after graduation from Tehran
university and has been living in the US anywhere between 45-50 years.

|>He is a credit to Iran and the world.

and humanity.

|>Cordially

|>Payman

with appropriate amounts of sizzling-hot high-quality sincere regards :-)

ps: how about devising a membership function to represent the above sentence?
any fuzzologician out there?

--df
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