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From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mauve Maruader)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:01:01 GMT
Organization: Pierson's Pleasure Palace

In article <1992Apr13.103157.39299@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes:
> Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
> social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
> and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
> frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
> of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.
> 
> This is going to make joint riding a real pain, and it would make
> more sense to spend bicycle money on a psychiatric consultation.
> And I'll keep trying to promote at least a 3-speed (assuming such
> are still available).  But:
	Personally I think that a single-speed coaster-brake old frame is
ideal. I own two bikes: a 12 speed road bike and a '60's vintage single-speed
schwinn. It was cheap ($5 for bike, $5 for pedals, $10 for a new axel), and
rides really well. I can loan it to a friend if I wanted to just roll around
town. 
	For the purpose she has in mind, I think that this kind of bike would
be great for several reasons:
	1) If she doesn't stick with it, you're only out $20.
	2) If she discovers she likes it, an upgrade to a derailer bike would
be much more feasable (spend a bunch on a new 10, or 5, or 3, then turn around
if she wants more).
	3) It's simple to run and maintain.
	4) It's kind of a conversation piece. I had mine inside yesterday to
fix a flat--left it in the hall. Half the corridor walked up and commented as
to how cool a bike it was.
	Don't write off a single speed.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: waynej@microsoft.com (Wayne JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Experience with Opus III Tandem
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:19:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA
Reply-To: waynej@microsoft.UUCP (Wayne JOHNSON)
Keywords: recumbent tandem

|>From: jim@IMD.Sterling.COM (Jim Nicholsen)
|
|As stated in the subject line, does anyone out there have experience
|with the OPUS III tandem?  

My wife and I just bought an Opus two months ago.  WE LOVE IT!  My wife does
not cycle as much as I do (I am a full time bike commuter), so she found the
recumbent stoker position MUCH more confortable than a standard bike. She
also enjoys the view out front (instead of having to look at my back). I find
it a bit easier to captain than a standard tandem: the ability of the stoker
to coast, and the lower center of gravity of the stoker both help. Of course
we get everyplace at the same time and can easyily talk with each other on
the way there.

On the down side it is probably a bit heavier than a tradional tandem
(amazingly enough, i don't know how much it weighs), and you cannot draft
as easily as with a regular tandem (the boom on front keeps you from getting
really close enough to draft well).  Also, I have found it impossible to ride
out of the saddle, even without a stoker up front

Yeah, they are expensive, but not really any more expensive than other
handbuilt tandems.

|For those with less experience than me (:->) the stoker is in front in a
|recumbrant position and the Captain is in back in an upright position.
|Thus both captain and stoker have a clear view of the road. Additionally
|the stoker's power is transferred through a freewheel allowing independant
|gearing for the captain and stoker. Thus it looks like a solution to
|at least two cycling related domestic arguements :->

Yep, it is.

|
|Thanks in advance.
|
|jim nicholsen
|jim@imd.sterling.com

If you are interested, give the guys at Angle Lake a call (206) 878-7457.
Tell'em I sent ya.

Wayne Johnson
WayneJ@Microsoft.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rmc58125@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Matthew Chin)
Subject: FORCE 40 Brakes....NOT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:20:16 GMT

.....Instead of getting funky pads and cantilevers which cost an arm and a 
leg, why not get a tennis ball and squeeze the !#%&* out of it until your
forearms are bulging with veins.  Then you won't even need high tech brakes
.  Hell you might even be able to grab the damn wheel with your bare hand
to stop.  


			      just a thought

			      Rich Chin

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Help! Tall rider looking for big frame!
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:14:16 GMT

I'm an unhappy person.

Despite all the care I put into the frame, my 1984 Raleigh Team USA bike is
rusting away at the lugs. Now for ordinary mortals this would be no major cry,
but this is a true 27" frame. Yeah, I know such a big frame is hard to find.
Thus my dilemma.

I'm looking to buy a new bike, but I cannot afford to have a custom made
frame. Anyone know of any road bike models that come in a 26"+? I have a 36"
inseam and I need a bike that big. I'm 6'4" and I don't consider that
enormous, but bikes seem to be getting smaller and smaller.

I'm looking for something in the $350-$450 range. Please give me something to
go on, since I seem to get nothing but dull looks from bike store salesmen.
Trying to find something besides Trek, Schwinn, and Cannondale is becoming a
real quest, too. Not that those are bad, just too dang small!

Thanx!

Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams)
Subject: Re: how many calories do I burn?
Organization: MBCC, Univ. of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.183315.21385@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> u2417@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
>I am wondering how many calories I am burning while commuting. 
>I have read the faq, which mentions 8-10 kcal/min.  However
>I imagine that it is less for my slow pace, where I ride
>4 miles in either, let's say, 20 minutes (12 m/hr) or in
>15 minutes (16 m/hr).  I weigh 165, carry anoher 10 lbs in
>my backpack, and my bike weighs 30 lbs.  Assuming the ground 
>is flat, can anyone tell me (approximately) how many
>calories I am burning??

I'm sure that many of our engineering-oriented participants could give you
a very good estimate of the actual work done during your commute.  They 
probably cannot convert their precise answer to equally accurate estimates
of the metabolic cost of the energy you have expended.  This is because the
efficiency of the bike engine improves with use, and the efficiency also
varies among bike engine manufacturers.  

The 8-10 kcal/minute figure you mention sounds a little high.  Richard Rafoth
estimates that at 12 mph you burn 4.2 kcal/min and at 16 mph you burn 7.7.
These numbers are fairly useless when surveying the dessert menu and wondering
what delicacy will get you home without leaving a significant "surplus" of
fuel.  Assuming that the body can convert about 25% of its caloric intake into
work, then the replacement cost for your commute (4 miles) would be 68 kcal
at 12 mph and 103 kcal at 16 mph.  In other words, hammer the commute and it
earns you a fig newton - one lousy fig newton.  

I don't want to sound discouraging, disparaging, or dis-anything.  I guess a
4 mile commute puts you in the "eat to ride" group rather than the "ride to
eat"  group of cyclists.  Perhaps you should focus on the cardiovascular
benefits of your commuting.  How many percent can you lower your resting
heart rate over the summer?  Anything over 10 percent would be significant.


With best wishes,

Frank Williams
frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: April 1 MEGACENTURY
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:22:56 GMT

pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>>pamela@keps.kodak.com (I) wrote:
>>>for my April MEGARIDE I will be doing 2000 miles in a week. 

>ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY

>so for any who didn't catch on, I didn't really do over 300 miles in 
>less than 12 hours, nor did I do over 2000 miles in a 7 day period.

I "got it"...was there someone who didn't???? :-)
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From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 27 inch vs. 700C availability?
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article 204735@unix.cis.pitt.edu, jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.075503.23227@ericsson.se> etxorst@eos.ericsson.se writes:
>>In article 16190221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, sharp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Darrin Sharp) writes:
>>
>>622 mm rims ("700C") are much more popular in most parts of continental
>>Europe (and peninsular parts like Scandinavia :-). I believe your (=
>>American) penchant for 630 mm (27") rims is rooted in the old British
>>empire while the 622 dimension is sometimes referred to as "French".
>>
>>Anyway, up here in the cold north, you *can* get 28-630 and 32-630
>>(1 1/8" and 1 1/4" 700C) tires at most bike shops but they might be
                     ^^^^
                 s/700C/27"/

>Wait a second!  In the first paragraph, you say that 622mm rims are 700C,
>and 630mm rims are 27".  But then in the second paragraph, you say that
>28-*630*  are the 700C tires.  How can this work if 630mm is the 27" rims?

Typo, sorry. 622 = 700C; 630 = 27"

>From what you say, these numbers should be 28-622 and 32-622 for the 700C
>rims, not what you have down.  Please explain!

I meant to say that 700C tires are more readily available than 27" and
the 27" ones you do find are often of inferior quality.

>	Confused,

I apologize for the confusion.

>		James Gourgoutis

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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Running down bicyclists
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:22:57 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Apr6.032126.3890@uunet.uu.net!trintex>, elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training) writes:
> Just got this story from a lady who used to bike commute to her job
> in the South Bronx ... [collision w/car deleted] ...  When she
> had recovered enough to pick her bike up from the precinct, the officer
> who returned it gave her a lecture -- "You must be crazy to ride your
> bike in this neighborhood."  

Given the South Bronx's  reputation as a hellhole I'm sure this opinion 
had nothing to do with anti-cyclist sentiment. A cyclist is even more  
more of crime target than a pedestrian since they've obviously got something
worth stealing.  Even people in cars aren't safe from muggers on foot.
Bonfire of the Vanities wasn't entirely a work of fiction.

-- 

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Intel spokesman?  Not!           
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re:  Where can you get 700 "D" tires
Keywords: tires
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.134912.13356@europa.asd.contel.com> brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
> A buddy of mine has a hybrid that is rolling on 700D x 1.4 tires.  These are the bikes 
>manufacturers tires (GT) and are constantly giving him problems.
>
>Does anybody know if there are any third party manufacturers that make a quality 
>700D ?? What's the big difference between a 700C and a 700D anyway ?  Just 
>wondering...

I believe that Schwinn is now using a 700D tire on some of its bikes.
Your friend might want to contact a Schwinn dealer.


>Brian  Lichorowic
>
>If all the Worlds' a stage.. Then I want better lighting


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From: sl3vx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:04:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr6.110415.54224
Organization: Utah State University


	I have a complaint of sorts to be aired to the news net.

I'm a cat. 4 and love to go racing on the weekends at the local races here in 
Utah.  Under the new rule that Cat. 5 can ride with Cat. 4 a lot of problems 
have come up.

	First, that more people have gone down and been taken to the hospital.
The bike handling  
skills of most 5s are limited and this has made for some very scary times.  I'm
not saying that 5s are the total cause of loss of blood and skin but that cat
4s mixed with 5s is like, drinking and driving, the problems are enlarged. 
This move by the USCF needs to be changed to reduce accidents.  I know that
cat 4s before were not "seasoned" but the new Cat invites anyone to race and
this does not scare them into learning to race.

	Second, this combined Cats. has brought the idea that cash prizes are
not allowed!  The rule reads that Cat 5s cannot get money, but it does not
read for Cat. 4s the same way.  If a race is combined then the first cat 4 to 
cross the line gets the money and would follow with the remaining Cat 4s.  This
is to say--if 20 Cat 5s cross the line before any Cat 4s then the 21st. rider 
being a 4 should be given first place for his division, and vice versa with
the cat 5s.  This was done with the 1/2/3 combined and the 3s were given cash
and points within their division.   Think about it Cat 5s and 4s are paying for
the awards of the other classifications, thats bullshit.  The little trinkets
that they give us are bullshit, we cannot put them into our gas tanks.  I don't
try to make money at the races I just want to break even!

Well I sure I've popped some veins, so let me know what you think. 


GN-
From: jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: riding up stairs
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:25:27 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <9204162127.AA04812@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
|> Paul Hutmacher writes:
|> 
|> > Now that we've established that it's ok to ride a properly maintained
|> > ATB down stairs, could a few of you rad riders give me some hints on
|> > your techniques for riding up stairs?
|> 
|> A couple of steps, OK, but stairs sort of defies bicycling because they
|> are steeper than any road you will ever find.  The generally run at a
|> greater slope than 50%.  I don't recall seeing any such roads nor do I
|> relish the thought of riding up them.  If stairs were flat they would be
|> much like riding down (except for the landing) but they are not so all
|> the stair climbing must also be accomplished with the difficulty of
|> balancing at less than walking speed and traction and timing of stair to
|> pedal overlaid on strenuous climbing make this a task for special
|> equipment and a skilled stunt artist.  I am not a volunteer.
|> 
|> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com


	I think the accepted procedure is:

	1: Track stand at base of stairs.

	2: Hop front wheel onto step.

	3: Hop rear wheel onto step.

	4: Repeat 2 & 3 for each subsequent step.

	I have seen this technique demonstrated by MTB guys, but 
never yet by somebody on a road bike.  I intend to try it as soon 
as it stops snowing here.

	jon "Just let me lie here a while..."
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What is the best, lightest MTB seatpost?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr11.122732.13710@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel) writes...
>In article <1992Apr6.163914.12758@nas.nasa.gov> border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border) writes:
>>1) Ritchey Force Directional Seat-Post,  330mm,  245g,    $64.50  (Nashbar)
>>2) AeroSport Carbon Ultra-Light Post,    300mm,  265g,    $99.88  (Branford)
>>3) Kingsbery Titanium Seat-Post          350mm,  210g,   $119.88  (Branford)
>>4) Sakae Tall Cool One                   350mm,  290g,    $22.90  (Performance)
>      This one is more like 390g.  The Nashbar Kalloy is much lighter and
>       cheaper.  Actual weight:
>        400g at 33cm, 285g at 15cm (head+bolt = 90+20g)
>        460g for the ultra cheap steel thing that came on my MTB
>  Kalloy Cr-mo seatpost                   300mm  340g  $13.95    Nashbar
>  Deore XT                                330mm  296g  $47.91    Nashbar
>>5) Suntour XC-Pro Seat Post              300mm,  290g,    $44.20  (Performance)
>>6) Campagnolo Centaur                    350mm,  360g!    $39.99  (Performance)
>>
>Of course you will barely notice the weight loss.  Like the stem most of the
>weight is in the connecting H/W and the best way would be to weld it straight
>on so you don't have to drag all of that unnecessary adjustability around.
>  - Eric 

	Eric is correct, and if anyone is interested, Wilderness Trail Bike
offers such a seat post.  It is the fixed angle seatpost.  They custom make it
to the customer's specifications.  The clamp is part of the seat post, and
there is no adjustability (except fore and aft).  If anyone is interested, 
their phone # is (415) 924 - 9632.  

					Cars generally suck,
						
							Kevin
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Computer that is easy to switch between bikes?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:35:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplomg.9204131635.AA17883

Carl Haverl writes:

> Are there any computers that can be programmed for the tire sizes
> of three different bikes?  I would like to be able just to select
> "bike 3" when I switch the computer to the next bike.  Ideally,
> the computer would keep separate odometer totals for each bike.

Unfortunately the AVO40 and AV050 are not suited for mixed use with
two different wheel sizes because they store arbitrary units that
are converted to user units on output in metric or English units.
This means you can switch units easily without error but changing
the calibration number changes the distance traveled.  This, as was
mentioned earlier, is to be corrected on the next software turn.

In contrast the model 30 collects data based on the calibration number
but cannot switch between metric and English without reporting Km's as
miles and vice versa.

All things are imperfect in one way or another.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson)
Subject: Dept Store Brands...
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:56:59 GMT

I have a friend that wants to do some very casual cycling, and despite
protest, doesn't want to spend more than the Dept. Store Brands are
going to cost him.  Of those (Murry, Huffy, etc...) which one is
considered to be decent.  On of the Huffy's looked at seemed to be ok
for the price and the compenents (Shimano) appeared to be fairly
durable.  Any comments??

Thanks...

Barry...
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.145455.12776@mercury.unt.edu> jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm)) writes:
>I told myself that I wouldn't get involved on this thread but here I go.
>
>In article <Udr2rpO00VAtFlsRUO@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I ride in the center of the road when necessary to make other vehicles
>respect my space.  A bicycle has the right to the entire lane in most
>places but must ride as far to the right as practical to facilitate
>passing by faster moving vehicles.  At intersections I often place
>myself in the left portion of the lane so that cars will not squeeze
>past me and try to make a right turn in front of me.

 
In California, if 5 or more vehicles are lined up behind you waiting to pass, 
you are required by law pull over as soon as safely possible to allow them 
to pass. Most cops I've talked to interpret this (in the case of bicycles) to 
mean "immediately". 

Now, I just had a pleasant little ride last weekend on California 35, 264, and 
9. Plenty of bicyclists on 35, I didn't see any on the other roads. When
approaching them from behind, I honked my horn from about 100 yards behind.
Most pulled over farther to the right. There was one exception, but as
there was no approaching traffic, I merely swerved around him (had there been
an approaching car, I would have slowed much more than I did; in any event,
this clown pulled FARTHER to the left, but I was way in the other lane by this
time. One of these days, that clown will be a statistic. Oh well).

So in general, MOST bicyclists were reasonably safe, and I don't have any
real problem with them on these roads.

Ya'll be careful now.

Mike
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From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Sleeping Toes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:29:12

I've never had this problem, but from what I've read the standard
solution is to loosen the laces in your shoes...

On a simillar but more embarrasing note, has anyone ever had certain
_other_ parts of their male anatomy below-the-waist fall asleep on
long rides?  This has always bothered me.... I have nice padded
cycling shorts and a gel seat, but still have this problem... anyone
else ever experienced this?

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From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Date: 6 Apr 1992 18:18:13 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: WBA

I've starting to truing and rounding all my friends wheels for free
and I just finished building my second wheel!  I built an MA-40, with a 
Shimano 600 front hub, DT 15-16-15 spokes and alloy nipples.  It came out
great and I had a blast!

Are there any support groups out there, or is there no hope for me?  

Edzo
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