From: trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general,cle.config
Subject: Re: Public Project needs assitance?
Followup-To: cle.config
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:07:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
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Followups to cle.config, please.

In article <1993Jan21.220801.3985@news.csuohio.edu> damin@randell.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein) writes:
>In other words, each of our systems has a unique domain style address that 
>conforms with the Internet standard of User_Name@machine.domain...

OK, that's a good start.

>We are at the point now, where we need to establish a domain on the Internet
>in order to begin testing our software with it. Unfortunately, none of us
>have any significant access to a Unix machine whre we will be able to 
>establish a domain for our network. 

First, you don't need a Unix machine.  There are lots of boxes on the Internet
that could help you, and many don't run Unix.

One way to do this painlessly would be to join the _existing_ store-and-
forward Internet-addressible network by using UUCP.  There are lots of
free UUCPs out there.  I'd be amazed if there wasn't one for the Apple II
yet.  Even if there isn't, it should not be hard to port something like
UUPC or smail/PC.  (I assume these are IIgs's, not IIe or II+'s?)

The other thing is that you don't need a domain for testing; you could use
bang paths.  Also, you should try talking to any existing domainized UUCP
site to see if they are willing to subdomain for you.  Many might be willing
to help.

>...and we have been gradually working on intergrating into the software
>full ISO 7 layer support.

I admit that this sentence confused me.  What in the world does UUCP and
Internet store-and-forward have to do with the OSI standards?

Methinks you've been reading too many academic networking textbooks.  :-)
The seven-layer model is prescriptive, not descriptive, and it isn't
meaningful for non-OSI protocols.  (IMHO, of course...)

>I have considered the possiblity of addressing CWRU to find out if I could
>write a grant proposal to do such a project via them, ...

I can't speak for CWRU on this, but CWRU does provide UUCP feeds to a few
sites, so that those sites will provide UUCP connectivity to the rest of
Cleveland.  The problem is that no one here in the network services group
is likely to want to implement a custom protocol to talk to your network.

You could try talking to the CWRU Dept. of Computer Engineering and Science
to see if there are any undergrads looking for projects who might want to
work on this.

Beyond that, you'll probably have the most luck with area UUCP sites.  There
are a lot of them, many of them have "gone domain" already, and most are
willing to offer more feeds.  You'll have the easiest time if you are willing
to speak UUCP to them, but some of them might be willing to consider other
protocols.  To find area UUCP sites, go look in comp.mail.maps for the
u.usa.oh.1 and u.usa.oh.2 UUCP maps and look through them for sites in the
area.

Big sites that you might want to try first include ncoast, nshore, wariat,
hernix, cwru, neoucom, skybridge, and fmsystm.  Many secondary sites might
also be willing to help.  Check the maps to find them, since there are too
many for me to try to list them here.

-- 
Stephen Trier                      "We want to offer you a price that you
Network software type               just can't afford to take advantage of."
Case Western Reserve University         - Sales blurb from HSC Software
trier@ins.cwru.edu
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