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From: psikos@erato.csi.forth.gr (Panos Psikos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: ENVIRONMENT: Greeks buying ''cleane
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:29:12 GMT
Organization: FORTH - ICS, P.O.Box 1385, Heraklio, Crete, Greece 71110 
       tel: +30(81)221171, 229302 fax: +30(81)229342,3 tlx: 262389 CCI

In article <1992Jul21.034925.15224@trl.oz.au>, briganti@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Joe Briganti) writes:
......Other stuff deleted.......... 
|> Speaking with cousins of my wife they also told me of this rebate ( I think
|> it 20,000,000 drachmas (or about AUS$6000) to trade in your old car for a
|> new one. My wifes uncle wasn't interested. His 25 year old Renault is
|> still running fine (although I wont quickly forget our 3 hour drive from
|> Athens to Loutraki (just out of Corinthos) on what I think was 1 (2 at most
|> cylinders) (it only takes about an hour and luckily its downhill, that
|> helped!) But hell, the car still goes right? This seemed to me endemic of
|> most Greeks. Run your machine to the ground (or your boat or ferry) before
|> you worry about getting a new one. I wonder how many others are like him.:-)

	Just a few clarifications:
The rebate is not that big. It depends on the CIF value of the car and I think  the maximum ammount is about 2,000,000 drachmas.Anyway I think you dropped an extra zero there since yout AUS$value seems to be about right.
	More important, the reason Greeks say "if it runs fine" is the cost of  buying a new car in Greece. According to a statistic I show some time ago the goverment makes about 6% of its total revenue from direct taxes on car imports! . Therefore to buy a new car you have to be very well off (case in point: CIF     value of a Porche 911=6,000,000 drachmas,taxes on that=~40,000,000 drachmas).So most people try to find loopholes to avoid paying that much money for a tincan  on four wheels..Some do that why you s

ee so many BMW's in Athens(it must have   the highest concentration of BMW's in the world). The rest .. well I am driving a 1983 Ford Fiesta!.
	Thats all
		Panos
P.S. The very high prices of cars in Greece must be the reason why 
(a) Buying a good car is considered an investment
(b) Cars in Greece are considered status symbols.I know that this is true for   other parts of the world too, but on a different scale.A Rolls-Royce is a status  symbol anywhere, but I think that only in Greece a BMW 520 is.

|> Joe Briganti ( j.briganti@trl.oz.au )
|> X400: g=joe s=briganti ou=trl o=telecom prmd=telecom006 admd=telememo c=au

-- 
================================================================================These are my OWN opinions. I do not speak for anybody else.  

        Can I have a Testa Rossa pretty please?
================================================================================
From: Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis)
Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: To all people which Mutlu went on their nerves
Date: 26 Jul 92  16:55:00 EST

Hi All,

I don't unterstand, that you do not ignore Hasan Mutlu and his stories?
In a few weeks he won't post anymore in this conference...

cu
  alex

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: >Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:37:13 GMT

Erland Sommarskog wrote:

>The fact that the EC summit decided to not recognize Macedonia with
>that name, does not mean that the name for this state is dropped,
>and even less the name of the majority language. The below is extracted
>from an article originally posted to the ISO10646 mailing list, a technical
>forum dealing with the new 16/32-bit character standard ISO10646:


  And this, of course, does not mean that the name Macedonia will continue
  to be used for long time. It is also obvious, that except form Mr. Sommar*,
  Mr. Shopov (and his friends Sonya and Sv*? who make the contributions ...),
  and some other persons that appear sporadically, nobady else is draging
  the name issue anymore. Yet, neither Mr. Sommar*, nor Mr. Shopov, are
  really interested about the prosperity of this new republic. They just
  don't have what to do in their spare time ...

>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

  Panos Tamamidis
-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk)
Subject: Re: programma agwnwn
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:15:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.234628.14752@cs.yale.edu> tsioutsias-dimitris@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitris Tsioutsias) writes:
>1. kserei kaneis to programma twn agwnwn apo to NBC? Poies wres tha
>   deiksoun ta athlhmata me tous Ppakwsta kai Koukodhmo?
>
>2. Kala, tetoia porwsh me diafhmish den echw ksanadei! TI einai ayto to
>   pragma me tis synexeis kai ektetamenes diakopes! Xtes to vrady den
>   mporesa na eyxarisththw tipota. Agwnismata diarkeias 30min ta ekanan
>   2 wres me tis diafhmiseis anamesa. Ellada kai pali Ellada, me 
>   Kwstantara, Mamouzelo kai Thewdorakopoulo!
>
>
>->dimitris
>
>
Mr. Dimitris:
	AS you may see this is sct, andd only a few (I suppose) know
Greek Language. For the people, like me, who do not know Greek, could
you please provide us with an English translation of your posting. If
you do not intend to do so, could you please, stop posting in sct, if
your posting is not written in Turkish or English.

jonturk.
From: ucnick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Could you please remove me from scg?
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:28:34 GMT

Could you please remove me from the distribution list
of scg? I now read it through rn

Thank you much, 

Nick Gavrielatos
ucnick@socrates.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk)
Subject: Re: yet another Dicksucker, Konstantinos the Dicksucker
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:44:44 GMT

In article <9207242036.AA01912@harem.topkapi.plc> MehmedII@harem.topkapi.plc (Mehmed the Conquerer) writes:
>In article <199207241359.AP1453.BB1025@AYTOKPATWP-PWMAIWN.Krypta.Agia-Sophia.
>Basileuousa.BYZANTION> writes:
>
>>     Mutlu, you turkish vermin, rememeber : the tide is turning, your time is
>                                 #########
>> coming ! You and your like scum are going to swim in blood - your own blood
>> I am going to rout and chase you back to the " KOKKINH MH/\IA " for ever 
>> and till the end of time ! And the Holy City of Constantinople, the Queen 
>> of Cities, the Gem of the Earth, the " Hope and Joy of all the Greeks ", 
>> Nikaia, Smyrna, the Jewel of Ionia, Attaleia and Seleuceia in Pamphylia, 
>> Sampsous and Trapezous on the Black Sea, Edessa and Melitene on the 
>> Euphrates, Theodosioupolis and Sebasteia in the Pontus, and Antiocheia on
>> the Orontes, the cradle of learning and erudition, all of them are going to 
>> be GREEK again !
>    
>                        Hey Konstantinos the Dicksucker,
>
>                        Come and get Istamboul (or you say Konstantinopolis). 
>                        We conquered Istamboul and Istamboul is ours. Lick 
>                        my balls. You are a bit late Konstantin, we got 
>                        Istamboul 539 years ago. Do you rememeber (sp?) it 
>                        dickhead. When we met, you were trying to hide under 
>                        your bed, Konstantinos the Dickhead, you were about 
>                        to shit on your wife.
>
>                                           Mehmed II The Conquerer
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|     MehmedII@harem.topkapi.plc            Mehmed the Conquerer         |
>|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>| "God must be real, otherwise somebody would have declared as integer"  |
>|                                                                        |
>|        float god;         OR       int god;                            |
>|                                                                        |
>|________________________________________________________________________|

hey Konstantinos the Dicksucker:

	Remember we are waiting for you in ISTANBUL THE QUEEN OF THE
CITIES.
 
 You are welcomed to drink a cup of Turkish Coffee and do LUGGAGE TRADE as many Greeks do nowadays. If you want I can escort you in the Istanbul to show
around the city. Do not forget that is all you can have in this world. I
can not give you any guarantee for the other world. May be the Devil can
escort you to look around to the hell.
Take it easy, 
Get a life and Call Hasan B. Mutlu for his help to be healed from this
paranoic histeria.

JONTURK. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6657 soc.culture.turkish:7901
From: sadi@physics3 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Genetically Coded Behavior (was Re: FAKE MAILS ????)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 07:09:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics3.berkeley.edu

In article <Jul20.161732.64593@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>
>You should be careful about this genetic thing. After all, you Turks talk a
>Ural-Altaic language, but you don't look like other Ural-Altaic peoples (for
>example, the Japanese and the Koreans), you don't look like the Central
>Asian Turkic peoples (oriental), and you don't look like the Turks of 1000
>years ago (oriental). And of course, there is that matter of a large Greek
>population in Asia Minor that disappeared in 1071. Could you guys be the
>descendants of those Greeks? You certainly look like them. Oh, no...

 Wow. I didn't think I can hear this from a Greek. So, you mean that
Turks are really Greeks. I mean the Turks who were called Asian and
barbarian by some well known persons. The Turks who are not Europeans.

>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas

 Saygilarimla efem,
 Sadi Turgut
-- 
 "True Confessions -- Life in Soc.Culture.Turkish"
 "Kemalist demands more than a Turk!"
                 -- Non-Sequitur virus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Opening Ceremonies of Barcelona Olympics
Keywords: Mikis Theodorakis
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:27:47 GMT

In article <Bs0t6q.646@acsu.buffalo.edu> v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Constantin Orfanos) writes:
>
>
>       Has anyone out there had watched the opening ceremonies of the
>  1992 Olympics with Mikis Theodorakis conducting an orhcestra to one
>  of his songs called "Tha Simanon I Kampanes" (maybe misspelled).  
>  Also this included a well known female singer who of course sang it.
>
>        This part had occured while they were marching the Olympic flag
>  around the stadium before raising it.
>
>       I thought this version of his song was great and really had put
>  a good touch on the ceremonies.  It had put chills down my spine.
>
>                                 Dinos Orfanos 

Yes, I liked that part of the ceremony, as well as the whole ceremony,
speaking on the average.
The song "Tha semanoun oi kampanes" (the bells will ring)
by M. Theodorakis, sung by Agne Baltsa, a famous soprano, was very good.
Just to remind you it goes:
Swpa, opou nanai tha semanoun oi kampanes
                    Keep silent, the bells will ring soon
auto to xwma einai diko tous kai diko mas
                    this soil is theirs and ours too.
...
Kai toutoi mes ta sidera
                    And these inside the bars
kai keinoi mes to xwma ...
                    and those under the soil ...

I don't recall the rest this moment.
It is a song of resistance, written during the dictatorship period.
It symbolises the struggle for freedom.

They did not sing the Olympic Anthem in Greek though, but in Catalan,
Spanish and French (if I am right). Anyway, it was very good.
In some other Olympic opening ceremonies I heard the Olympic Anthem
by Kostes Palamas in Greek.
Arxaio pneuma athanato,            Ancient immortal spirit,
patera tou wraiou,                 father of the beautiful,
tou megalou kai tou alethinou,     the great and the true,
kateba, fanerwsou,                 come down, show up
ki anthise (;) edw pera            and grow your flowers
sto xwma (;) tes dikes sou ghs     on the soil of your own earth
kai t' ouranou ...                 and sky ...

I don't recall the rest of that either.

I did not hear the national anthems either, but it is possible
that I missed them due to the commercials.

C. Christara
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: I'm worried about you, 'Gav*0',why don't you come and visit me to * Geneva St. 8031, Woodridge, IL, 60516 * ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:14:19 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <9207231637.A9309vf@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
 >  Don't be afraid, 'Gav*0', I'll be waiting for you with open arms :-))
 > A cup of warm turkish coffee will help activate those little dormant gray cells of your debilitated brain . B-)
 > 
Forging an article once can be a joke.  Even twice.  But ten times?
Unless the forger wants to equal the production of his target of course.
But in that case it is not yet enough, and the articles are not long enough.
But a cup of warm turkish coffee would be welcome (or greek coffee as most
of the readers in this group would call it).
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6675 soc.culture.turkish:7907
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Why the Problem Cannot Be Solved (was Re: Denktash Inc.)
Keywords: taksim, highway robbery PLUS Caroutas's INSINCERITY.
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:17:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Jul20.225141.19342@en.ecn.purdue.edu>,
bse@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>In article <Jul20.211509.64953@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>
>>Then return the land that doesn't belong to you.
>
>Well, you have to understand. We have been living on that land
>for quite a while now. We don't want to make our people move 
>and make them refugees once again. 

Well, nothing more need be said.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Gavrilakis Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: I am still alive
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:54:04 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <9207290533.AA19522@hac2arpa.hac.com>, STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM writes:
|
|> 
|> 
|> And despite all the bad publicity Greece has been receiving overall
|> (Thanks Erland, Sacha, Hasan), this month's HOME magazine (necessity for
|> yuppie suburbanites) has quite a few pages dedicated to Aegean Architecture
|> including home design and decoration, furniture, history, etc. Also an
|> article about an interesting National Tourist Organization of Greece
|> program. Cool.
|> 
|> Spiros
|> (currently on vacation)

There have also been a number of radio progs on French radio. A series
on island music and life ran for a number of consecutive nights (I lost
count how many) on radio <<France Culture>> - not my favourite station.
On the same station there was - finished last Sunday -  a series of
readings from contemporary Greek authors.

Spyros G.
From: HPAK/\HS@Elysian-Fields.Mount-Olympus.Pieria (Heracles of Thebes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: My 13th labour will be ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:09:17 GMT
Organization: Mount Olympus Divine Abode.


    ... the liquidation of Mutlu . HOW I'll accomplish that, i'm going to reveal it later .
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Mas Poso Julo Prepei va Faei Autos; (was Re: Toronto's Caravan)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:38:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Sto arqro <92Jul21.015249edt.47915@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, n
ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara") dervei gia mia akoma fora
tov Ahmet Parlakbilek:
>
>There is an obvious difference between the definition of propaganda
>in your Webster and in the Webster of our system.

Avte va doume pose fores prepei n Xristiva va tov deirei autov gia va to
paradextei autos kai va siwpnsei :-)
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Learning the Greek language
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:23:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



Hello, I would like to learn the greek language for historical and everyday
use. Are there any good books?

Thanks
-- 
    .  .      +-------------------------------+
  --|--|      | Mark Yun Wook Choi            |
   /.\ |      | janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu |
  --|--|      +-------------------------------+  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6725 soc.culture.turkish:7946
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: To M.Hubey (About the "genocides" & "Ottomans")
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:44:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I have to keep my post a lot shorter.

You can try an experiment if you have a little time. Check out
about 20-50 books about the Ottomans in the library. You can just
flip the pages at random and then give a grade to the book on
whether you think the book is anti or pro Turkish say from 
zero to hundred. Then check the references on the back and give 
another grade on the number of Turkish refernces and original
documents cited. 

After this check the dates of publications of the books and
split them into three groups; before 1950; after 1970
and between 1950 and 1970.

See if you can spot a correlation. You don't have to post it.
You can keep it private.

Why you may ask.

Well, imagine a couple of hundred years from now that in some
library you find about a 100 books on the USA 90% of which
are from North Korean, Cuban and Soviet sources.If you prefer
imagine reading about a 100 books on Greek history written
from Turkish and Bulgarian sources.

'Nuff said (at least for me).
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: BEHOLD WITH HOW LITTLE WI
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


I'm not going to comment on Mr. Mutlu's entire message right now (it is
11:50pm and I want a restfull sleep), but I just had to comment on one
sentence that reaks with ignorance and foolishness:

>Behold with how little wisdom 'Atina' is governed. Istanbul was
>named 'Islambol' long before your ancestors entered the scene. As

 Huh? Heh? Hum? The city of Byzantium was founded during the 8th
century BC, by a guy name Byzantas (a great-great...great-grandfather of
mine, I assure you). From 300ad thru 1453ad it was the seat of the
Byzantine Empire (with some interruptions). That's about 2,200 years of
Greek presence before Mehmed arrived. And about 1,400 year BEFORE Islam
was even founded. Did someone in 900bc decide to call the city
Islambol?
 By the way, what is the root of the word Islambol? I know Islam, but
what about the Bol? Maybe it is an 'm' or 'n' fused with the word Pole
(as in Constantinopole?). What does Bol mean in turkish? And how do you
get Istan from Islam?
 By the way, Istanbul is just a more modern form of Stambol. How do you
get STAM from ISLAM? And since M+P is a B sound, where does the POL come
from?

 ONE LAST THING: ISTANBUL WAS NOT THE (TURKISH) OFFICIAL NAME OF THE
CITY UNTIL THE YEAR 1930!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While Istanbul was a popular name
amond the turks, the official name was was CONSTANTINOPOLE!!!!! Surely
you agree there were Greeks in Constantinopole before 1930!!!

                                                Michael......

----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Stou Koufou Thn Porta, Oso Theleis Bronta)
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: I'm worried about you, 'Gav*0',why don't you come and visit me to * Geneva St. 8031, Woodridge, IL, 60516 * ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:54:37 GMT


 Don't be afraid, 'Gav*0', I'll be waiting for you with open arms :-))
A cup of warm turkish coffee will help activate those little dormant gray cells of your debilitated brain . B-)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them
                 and in whatever circumstances you find them
                 Turkish children also should be killed as
                 they form a danger to the Armenian nation.'
                                (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 11 !
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:17:31 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


    Test apo ton Pikaifh ton ... Tsoutsounoleixoudh !!!
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Olimpiyat
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:14:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul28.061028.2370@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ugurdag@ces.cwru.edu (Fa
tih Ugurdag) writes:
>ARKADASLAR:
>       NBC'NIN OLIMPIYAT ACILIS TORENINI BILMIYORUM KACINIZ IZLEDI. YINE
>TURKIYE'YE KIN KUSTULAR. DUNYADA ADI IZI BILINMEYEN ULKELER VERILIRKEN,
>TURKIYE'NIN GECISI SIRASINDA SADECE TRIBUNLER GOSTERILDI VE TURKIYE'NIN GECISI
>HIC BIR SEKILDE GOSTERILMEDI. NE GUZEL BIR TESADUF DEGIL MI? BIZ MICHIGAN
>STATE UNIVERSITY TURK OGRENCILERI OLARAK KINAMA KAMPANYASI BASLATIYORUZ. BU
>OLIMPIYAT RUHUNA HIC BIR SEKILDE YAKISMAYACAK OLAYI KINAMAK ISTERSENIZ ASAGIDA
>NBC NIN ADRESINI VERIYORUM. NBC OLIMPIYAT YAYINLARI SUNUCUSU BOB COSTAS'A
>(ADINDAN NE OLDUGU BELLI) SAYGILAR!!!!
>
>NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY (NBC)
>30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA NEW YORK NY 10020
>                                           YIGIT KAVURMACIOGLU
>
>--
>Fatih Ugurdag
>Case Western Reserve University
>

What a turkey! If you want to whine to NBC for not showing us Turkey during the
parade of the teams in the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, certainly doing
it in turkish in social-culture-GREEK is not the appropriate way or medium.

Go cry somewhere else, won't you?
-- 
------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
<dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: robbie@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au ()
Subject: Address in Athens
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:50:28 GMT

Hi all, Can anyone supply me with a FULL address for the botanical gardens
in Athens?

Many thanks, Robbie McDonald.