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From: sandoval@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:19:33 GMT
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Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Dec28.061303.11354@mercury.cair.du.edu>, mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
> In article <Bzxt23.L31@world.std.com> tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:
>>Spoilers ahead - Summary: A+
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> Are you kidding?  Follow me.
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>>Picard's comments that torture wasn't a particularly reliable means of
>>extracting information...
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> Do they explain what IS?  No.  Nordo they explain why it DID affect
> himn in the long run.
>  
   I think the key word here is RELIABLE.  The torture DID affect Picard, but
I don't think any information that he would give after being broken would be
reliable.  He sees things as his captors want him to see them.
   Following up on the 1984 parallel, I don't think that I'd want to use
Winston Smith as a source for reliable information on 1984 society.  
Especially after he's broken.  (2+2=5...)

   John
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:34:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.202701.20629@newsgate.sps.mot.com> wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.161603.4163@arizona.edu> CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU  
>(Chris De Young) writes:

>> In <Bzn1sB.n46@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
>> 
>> > And isn't it amazing how on every Star Trek show and movie how the  
>vast  
>> > majority of the beings encountered speak perfect English or a language  
>> > composed of English words?  How convienient.


Oh, yes.  I'd much ratnher sit and watch discussions take place in a
language that I couldn't understand.  It's so much more......realistic.
This reminds me: why aren't there more multi-headed aliens on TNG?


       
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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:54:10 GMT

In <9235907.19007@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> tww@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Terence Wai-Juinn WONG) writes:

>   Hmmm...on the subject of Galaxy class Starships, why didn't we see the wreck of one in "The Best Of Both Worlds" ?  I mean that, if Starfleet knew they would
>be fighting the Borg, wouldn't they have used their 'best' ships?  I think that
>the sight of such a vessel in the 'graveyard' scene would have made the plight
>of our heroes a little more desperate.  BTW, I loved BOBW.  Please don't flame
>me - just trying to stimulate intelligent converse!

From what I understand, only two Galaxy class starships have been built:
the U.S.S. Yamoto and the Big E.  Rumors abound amongst my friends (rumors,
'cause I don't know how valid they are) that the reason only two have been
built is because they're very expensive, they're coming out with a newer model
soon, or because they're so new, only two have had time to be built.

Whether this was mentioned in the same episode that the U.S.S. Yamoto appeared
in or the hearsay from my friends, I don't know.

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II"
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:53:40 EST

 -=> Ph9991 Manfr babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 
 PM> SPOILERS ahead for "Chain of Command Part II"
 
 >  PM> SPOILERS!  -Do not cross the Cardassian border
 

 PM> No, you missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it as clear as I
 PM> should have.  I did get the idea behind the four/five/ (three sir!)
 PM> lights, and I got it the very first time it was used.  That was my
 PM> problem, that it was too obvious.  Too easy.  It also has no science
 PM> *fiction* in it at all, since that is something that is known and
 PM> understood rather well today. >



 >  PM> I think that pretty much covers it.  As an episode of TNG, or any
 >  PM> science fiction series come to that, this sucked wind, because it had
 >  PM> no story of its own to tell and no science fiction in what it did do.
 > TNG does not have to be science fiction.  I think CoC Pt. II stood very
 > well as a drama based in the 24th century.

 PM> This is just a pure difference of opinion between the two of us, then.
 PM> I want science fiction in "Star Trek:TNG," or at least an attempt at
 PM> it, and you don't.  Neither of us is right or wrong.  We just differ.
 >
 >  PM> Overall Grade for Part Two (scale of one to ten): 3
 >
 > I'd really like to see how the individual subjects were graded for you
 > to give an overall ratings of 3...

 PM> I didn't do an accountant's tax audit on the episode.  The 3 is just
 PM> based on my general feel of the whole episode, and two of those points
 PM> are completely based on Stewart's acting.

 PM> Steven.K.Manfred

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From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard's garbled dialogue (was Re: Lynch's Review of CoC2)
Date: 27 Dec 1992 15:13:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
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To: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu


In a previous article, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) says:

>WARNING:  The following post contains intense spoilers for "Chain of Command, 
>Part II" that the faint of heart may find disturbing.  Proceed with caution.

>--Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know what 
>Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone over it 
>several times, but damned if I can make it out...

	I don't have a closed-caption recorder, but I did recognize
what he was saying...he was singing in French, the same song he was
singing to himself earlier while reminiscing about his childhood.

	I learned this song during a 2nd-grade experiment in teaching
French orally.  Having never studied it formally, my spellings are
guesses based upon other French I have had to read in early 19th-century
literature (the English and Americans must have thought it added "culture"
to throw in French words and phrases).  So please no language flames :) :)

	Sur la pont
	D'Avignon
	Loni danse, loni danse

(On the bridge of Avignon, people dance, people dance)

	French scholars please feel free to supply the remainder of
the song, and to correct the spelling :)
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From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A duck! (was Re: Tech Manuals)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 02:43:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
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In a previous article, bf911@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J Mulligan Jr) says:

>
>You guys probably know this already, but a friend of mine just told me
>yesterday of some "clever" artwork in the STTNG Technical Manual.
>
>On page 11, there is the "USS Enterprise starboard elevation, section at
>centerline".  If you look at the Main Shuttlebay, you see 3 large shuttles,
>2 small shuttles, a blotch that must mean something then a Porsche.  If you
>keep going right, you'll see a duck.  Further right, you'll see a person
>with child, then a little further, an airplane.
>
>If you go back the the Porsche, then go down a level and a little right,
>you'll see a mouse.  There are a few other odd-shaped figures, but I'm not
>sure what they are.  There is a sign near the mouse, but it is too small of
>print for me to read.  Hmmm....maybe a magnifying glass would help....
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I got a kick out of this too.  I've been told that the same map is
on a wall in main engineering, with the same stuff, only too tiny to
see on the show.  Also:  Check out the page on sick bay.  One of the
displays reads something like "Med Ins Avail"  (Medical Insurance
Available).  There are all kinds of things like this on the sets which
are too small to see on TV.


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <9536.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>On 28 Dec 92 17:49:43 GMT, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) wrote:
>MR>I would disagree, given that Data (the science officer) wears a gold, not a
>MR>blue, uniform.

>Data is *not* the (or even A) science officer.  This has been stated
>repeatedly by Rick Berman and Brent Spiner at cons.

Of course, one must keep in mind that their words are meaningless until
concretely manifested on the screen...

...nonetheless, it does appear that you are right, even though Data often ACTS
in the capacity of "science officer" as Spock did (leading to some confusion
about his actual station, as you can see!).  On the other hand, it would be
pretty easy for someone to have a change of heart and write a bit which
reveals that, yes, he has been the science officer all along...

>MR>Gold    Hard Sciences, Engineering & Support Services (including Security)
>MR>        (Data, LaForge, Worf, O'Brien)

>What IS a "hard science"?  Maddox, a cyberneticist, wore blue in "The Measure
>of a Man".  Ensign Janeway, a physicist, wore blue in "Schisms".

Well, once Data isn't in the "science" category, then we can lump ALL the
sciences under the blue uniforms, and draw a sharper distinction between
sciences and engineering.  Case closed?

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:36:19 GMT

In <1992Dec29.151137.45946@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>This was on the AP Newsnet this morning, thought it might be of interest:


>AVERY BROOKS:  DON'T LOOK FOR HIM AT TREKKIE CONVENTIONS

>	Randor, pennsylvania------The commander of the latest Star trek series
>says you won't find him doing any Star Trek conventions.  Avery Brooks says he
>isn't into that.  Brooks plays commander Sisko in the upcoming TV series "Star
>Trek: Deep Space nine."  The syndicated series is a spinoff of "Star Trek: the
>next Generation". Brooks tells TV guide he finds it funny that people think
>that he, like another Trek tv captain William Shatner, may soon become a
>worldwide sex symbol.  He says his "children would find that rather amusing"




>_______________END OF QUOTED MATERIAL______________________________________

>Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
>job, and who have no idea what this role means to people?  I mean if he's
>not willing to put up with the fandom, he should keep his B-grade tv series ass
>at home and give the job to someone who can handle it.  Leave your Ego at the
>door, Avery, or this will be a SHORT job.

>					-----------KUVAMP :-)=


Don't be too hard on him. Would any of the original cast (while the show
first aired) done conventions or would they rather be acting? Wait until
Brooks sees that he doesn't have anything else to do while not acting and
you'll see him doing conventions just like them!

(This isn't to say that when people can't act, they go on tour... but
facts are facts!)

Just my opinions.

Alan Bick,
Another person with no sig! (Gee, I hope this doesn't qualify as one!)

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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Re: DSN Promos for "Past Prologue" (#404) 
Originator: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:21:16 GMT



In article <1992Dec31.073931.24242@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>Promos for the new ST:DSN episode: "Past Prologue" (#404) were released
>today.  This actual program will air starting on Saturday, January 9th.  
>
>
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>  Bajoran:  There is an armed explosive device onboard this ship.
>             ...no more wormhole, no more Federation.
AND NO LT. YAR!!!
>
>ON AN ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE.
>
>
>-{ Dean Adams }-
>


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From: rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran)
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.130609.1123@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>>
>>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
>>voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
>>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>
>I have also heard the same thing your friends is claiming, Roddenberry's wife
>played nurse Chapel in TOS, and is the computer voice in TNG. 

It is a well-known piece of Trek trivia that Majel Barrett Roddenbury
is the one performer who has appeared in ALL of the Trek venues:

TOS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice
TAS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice, M'ress
Films: Observation deck cameo in ST2:TWOK, computer voice in others
TNG: Computer voice, recurring role as Lwaxana Troi

	Bob Halloran
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From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart (doesn't) write for TV Guide this week! 
Summary: I bought it tonight...
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:47:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.232832.14037@icus.ICUS.COM> I write...
>
>With the premier episode for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine about to
>be shown across most of the country this coming week, TV Guide has
>Patrick Stewart (Jean Luc Picard, captain of the Enterprise) and 
>Avery Brooks (Benjamin Sisko, captain of DS9) on the cover.  
>Patrick Stewart will be writing for that TV Guide Episode (Jan 3rd 
>issue?)
[...]

A bit disappointed in seeing it was just the producers speaking for
the fictional character, Jean-Luc... The style was Capt. Jean-Luc Picard 
giving a "Captain's Log" explaining a little bit about the space station, DS9.

Well thinking there wouldn't be any *SPOILERS* in the TV Guide, I was wrong.
There was a one page "Episode One" synopsis.  It didn't go into major 
detail, but it did have the "Warning: Secrets of the premiere revealed..."
warning on the page.  There were things in there that I didn't know (not
to say, they haven't been discussed already).


The TV Guide was the special Sci-Fi issue, and had some brief synopsis'
of the new wave of Sci-Fi series coming to TV this winter;  Space Rangers, 
Time Trax, Babylon 5 (B5), Wild Palms, and SeaQuest.

They even toughed on the sticky similarities between DS9 and B5.  From
TV Guide ...

  "Babylon 5" and "Depp Space Nine" are quarreling over similarities
  in their plotlines.  "Babylon" creator J. Michael Straczynski says
  there is no question his was first. "Our project dates back five years.
  And in 1989, our project was sumbitted in detail to Paramount"  The 
  difference? "Theirs is the same Star Trek universe," says Straczynski.
  "Ours is a city where 250,000 aliens live in separate, atmospherically
  controlled sectors"

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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:34:03 EST, vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
wrote:

VWW>So the new colors are:

VWW>Maroon/Red  Command
VWW>Blue        Biosciences
VWW>Gold        Applied sciences/Engineering/Logistics

VWW>Comments, anyone?

I have three comments, one for each color.

1. First, (and this is a mistake MANY MANY people make), red isn't just for
command.  It also indicates navigation.  Every navigation officer we've
seen has worn red, which explains Wesley's red uniform, and Geordi's first
season uniform as well.  Why did the producers make this quirky
distinction?  Probably because, from an aesthetic standpoint, they
wanted to have contrasting colors on the two fore stations -- red for Conn,
gold for Ops -- as opposed to making them both gold.

2. Blue isn't just BIOsciences.  Geologists were seen wearing blue in "Pen
Pals", a cyberneticist wore blue in "The Measure of a Man", and Ensign
Janeway, from "Schisms", wore blue (I believe she was a physicist of some
kind).  Blue is for both medical and non-medical sciences.  At exactly
which point "non-medical" slides into gold-sciences like engineering, etc.
is a little unclear.

3. For simplicity's sake, I usually list gold as simply "Operations".  That
includes all the uses we've seen of it:  Bridge Ops, Security, Transporter,
Tactical, Engineering, and even Linguistics ("The Loss").

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Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 01:34:41 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: data watch
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Dec28.172557.541@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu says:
>
{LOTS of stuff deleted...}
>
>However, I've just read the TV Guide articles about Deep Space Nine and
>in there we see some photos that include a green division that could
>throw this entire thing for a loop.
>
Well, considering what I've heard of the condition of DS9, green could be
something like: "Emergency Repair Crew, Get Out of the Way!!"  ;)

But seriously, Kirk wore a green top on occasion.  Possibly another command
designation?   The Accounting department?  Horticulture?  Civilians?

>Steven.K.Manfred
>
Just thoughts...
-Tad
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: From FidoNet: Megacon '92
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:58:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.053755.24099@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz) writes:
>The MegaCon'92 Convention was held at Atlantic City in the
>Convention Center (where Miss America is held) on 11/21/92.
>Jonathon Frakes, Michael Dorn and LeVar Burton were all on stage at

Jonathan, Jonathan, 100 times Jonathan!
      ^         ^                   ^

>Michael Dorn REALLY looks different from Worf. You would not think

Gee, what a surprise.



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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 05:56:31 GMT

Yes, but is it B5 or BF?
B5 matches up with DS9, and BF matches up with DSN.

Personally, I like B5 and DSN.

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