HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:44:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal

georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:

>     Some of that's probably true, but that's not the primary factor.  What's
>the financial aid policy for foreign students at your school?  At C-MU, the
>policy is foreign students (according to citizenship) must pay their own way.

>     Policy aside, this implies foreign students have alot of money.  The
>tuition alone for C-MU is something like $16K.  I fully expect *every* foreign
>student at C-MU to come from a wealthy family.

Well, Boston U's tuition (always increasing) was about 13-15K per year (mind
you, that's tuition alone)  and I don't think they provide any FA to foreign 
students.  I remember speaking to a classmate who was from the Mid-East and 
he said that the government pays their way thru school so that they can 
come back and contribute what they learned at school.

Also, I think I remember my mom telling me that some famous HK celebrity
couple's son was at one of the Boston area schools.  *shrug*


-- 
= Eva Chan 		| Never lose my youth, I hope it never ends. =
= bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu	| Hope I never lose my wallet!               =
= on IRC: bunny 	|	- Bosstones			     =
=			| 					     =
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	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: c9e-ct@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Shawn Hsu)
Subject: "Asiatic"
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:14:15 GMT

Does anyone know what "Asiatic" means?  It's used in an
awful lot of rap songs.  Also, I've heard of an Asian
rap group in the Bay Area called the Asiatic Apostles.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11053 alt.discrimination:5409
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:34:00 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Dwight, I know we haven't been properly introduced, BUT..

PUT A LID on your ranting and raving about what is TYPICALLY xxxx-cu
or xxxx-ge!  I am sure there are other people here that would like 
to see some more original opinions.

There, now I feel MUCH BETTER!

Other matters:

Someone mentioned that at his school the HK students would also speak
Cantonese to further exclude others from their little circle.  I would 
also like to add that even tho I feel they have every right to speak 
whatever language they want at times it may be considered downright
rude if there were other people in the room or within reasonably close
proximity.  For example, perhaps after a lecture or something, someone
might decide to say something pertinent about the lecture.  Wouldn't be
in the best interest of everyone else that he found a major miscalculation
in the Prof's notes?  

Well, take the above for all it's worth.  It's just my $0.02 worth.


-- 
= Eva Chan 		| Never lose my youth, I hope it never ends. =
= bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu	| Hope I never lose my wallet!               =
= on IRC: bunny 	|	- Bosstones			     =
=			| 					     =
--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:31:41 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for Black woman
	<1992Dec16.070111.7841@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Petaluma Writes:


>When did s.c.a.a. become a 2nd-rate pickup spot?
            


Since, I came on the program!
From: atom@soda.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Parental Responsabilities
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:04:41 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec14.135343.20019@bnr.ca> hvu@bcarh729.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Guna Goo Goo) writes:

>
>Hypothesis:
>- Adults belonging to the minority groups tend to seek to mate
>  with members of the majority in order to generate offsprings
>  with attributes of the majority. In so doing, they are
>  giving their offsprings an easier time to mature and a better
>  chance to succeed in life.
>

Then why would people in the majority want to lessen the chances of their
children's survival by marrying someone from the minority?


-- 
Allen Tom                |  In the land of the blind,
c60b-1gs@web.berkeley.edu|      the man with one eye is king!
atom@soda.berkeley.edu   |         
atom@ocf.berkeley.edu    |wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:25:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052638.19343@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>Roger, I think this has become more semantic than substantive.  I do
>not believe it unreasonable to assume that an employer will know what
>he wants in an employee.  It is that employer who ultimately
>determines the criteria.  I argue that, based on his perception, the
>employer should pick the best one from the crop, disregarding such
>matters as race.  Clinton has stated unambiguously that race is one of
>his criteria.  By suggesting he hire an Asian, you seem to agree that
>race is a legitimate criterion.  I disagree with the integrity of that
>agreement.

	Perhaps I am being obtuse here.

	I am suggesting that race has had a deleterious effect in the past.
This past effect has a present effect by preventing Asian Americans
from entering particular fields and from moving upwards in those fields.
This is known as the glass ceiling effect.

	Given that, how much integrity is there in a process that does
NOT take that into consideration?  You are NOT getting the best person
for the job.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:01:40 GMT

In article <MDAY.92Dec17142302@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>   gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>   [while flaming Arthur Hu]
>	   Oh, that's right. You're an engineer.  You don't have to learn
>   stuff like math or statistics.
>Unfair, Roger.  Lots of engineers know enough math and statistics to
>tell that Arthur doesn't know what he's talking about.  Don't go
>insulting all of us because of his inadequacies.

	Oh, that's right. You're at MIT.  You guys know what you're talking
about.

	Actually, seems to me that Arthur THINKS he's an engineer. Wish I
knew who he worked for. Then we'd all know what company to avoid...

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Hite)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Univ. of Delaware- Computer Sci. Dept
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.142812.6428@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>In article 1gbblpINN11a@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E. Mah) writes:
>>
>>I am another lurking AAF. Since ppl asked for input from
>>AAF, the question being, whom do you date, and why -- here goes.
>>
>>  I've only dated one asian man. I DID find him attractive,
>>and partly it WAS because of his race. But I have also dated
>>causcasian men, mostly Jewish, god knows why.  I've also dated
>>a Hispanic woman. I've also dated several caucasian women.
>>Race HAS played a part in why I dated these people....

--stuff deleted--

>Please do not take this post offensively but I'm just curious about your gender.
>You seem to be dating both gender ??? For instant, "I've only dated one asian man. 
>I've also dated a Hispanic woman. Similarly, one Caucasian guy I dated...Similarly, 
>one Caucasian woman I dated..." It may be my ignorance for the abbreviations of 
>"ppl" that is causing this curiosity.
>

Maybe the young woman is bisexual.  Did that thought ever occur to you?  By
the way, I applaud her for her openness in discussing her dating preferences.
I wish there were more frankness and honesty on this group and less petty
arguments.  Just my $.02

Rob
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:19:24 GMT

In article 25150@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>Hmm I wonder why I missed this article.  The news feeder must be acting
>strange lately for  I would get the follw-ups before the originals.  Any
>way I have been wondering about this myself -- No not about Carole but 
>about my own sexuality --- bisexuality if you want the label.  There has
>always existed some elements of *genderless* eroticism in my sexual
>experiences/fantasies.  As to this regard, the *physical* sex of my
>partner is not really that revalent.  I guess we are living in such a
>orthodox society that a lot of people do concern a great deal about the
>"manhood" and "womanhood" of their partners.  Society creates rigid
>gender roles that we tend to follow.  People therefore arrange their
>sexual activities accordingly.  That is man fucks woman and that is it.
>Any ambiguity (ex: bisexuality) in sexual behaviors will not be well
>accepted.  I am not asking you to accept bisexuality, hey you don't have
>to.  I am writing this mainly to share my own experiences.  I would not
>be honest about my own sexuality if I just tell you that I am straight.
>For I do believe and feel that I have the *potential* to experience
>homoeroticism.  Unlike Carole, I don't have much same-sexual
>experiences.  Nevertherless I certainly *feel* bisexual.  I guess
>bisexuality is not really who you fuck or have fucked, it is also how
>you feel, sexually speaking (any comments Carole?).  Perhap I will
>decide to *explore* more about the homosexual side of myself.  Whatever
>happens in the future, I'll certainly not call myself straight.
>
>Dan
>
>PS:  This has taken a lot of courage from me to write.  Some of you
>probably will have a different attitude about me but one thing I wanna
>say is I am still the same old Dan.  It's Xmas and it is the season to
>be honest about anything including my sexuality.  I don't know why I am
>such a optimist cos I can sense a lot of conservative Chinese_cu out
>there sending flames this way.  Oh what the heck, hate mails are welcome
>just make sure you send them before Xmas so I can be entertained.
>Oh E-hugs are also welcome from anyone, male or female.
>
>--
>|       Daniel Lam  danl@comm.mot.com  Chicago, Il, USA        |  
>|         ....  Merry Xmas, Don't drink and spike  ....        |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must say you got guts. I myself never thought about anything other than the 
opposite sex when in comes to relations (sexual and/or emotional). You know that 
by having thoughts about homosexuality/bisexuality you could easily become one. I'm 
not saying it is bad nor good. I'm just saying that such a move can change your whole 
perspective on life (having gay friends as references). 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: How about an archive?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:40:02 GMT

In article 1gm6c6INNou2@tamsun.tamu.edu, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>|Now that Alan and Russil have viable FAQs, isn't it time we had an 
>|anonymous ftp archive for the group?  Besides the FAQs, the archive 
>|could maintain:
>|
>|-- my movie/book poll
>|-- annotated bibliography of periodicals and books currently in print 
>|   on Asian-American studies, with ordering information
>|-- directory of national, regional and local community groups
>|-- records of racial incidents, media and consumer complaints, and
>|   significant news events
>|-- drafts of proposals, policies and speeches which can serve as
>|   source material for future activism
>|-- Arthur Hu and Hoyt Sze columns and other concurrently published
>|   and posted writings
>|-- legal research pertaining to civil rights and immigration
>|-- database of sizes and locations of Asian-American communities
>|
>|(Any more ideas?)
>|
>|As I'm moving to London soon, I'm probably not the right one to host
>|the archive, even if I had the requisite access privileges.
>|
>|Getting there from here will require two steps:
>|
>|1.  A sysop willing to devote a few megs to the effort;
>|
>|2.  A volunteer for each item to be maintained.  I'm willing to continue
>|    with the movie/book poll and to kick off the bibliography, if we
>|    get to this point and others are willing to pitch in.
>|---
>|Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>|achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
>|                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *


Some additions:

Dwight's ubiquious and cumbersome classifications for people reading 
for the first time, since that seem to generate the most questions 
and confusion.

Some of the arguments on interracial dating.  This way people can just go:
"I think you are full of shit, because of FAQ#3245!", and save some bandwidth.

List of magazines geared toward asian americans. 

List of asian friendly public officials in various states.

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*School of Electrical Engineering	    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Parental Responsabilities
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.135343.20019@bnr.ca> hvu@bcarh729.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Guna Goo Goo) writes:
>- Young adults belonging to the majority find better jobs
>  with less difficulty.
I don't know if this is generally true or not.  I have a lot of friends which
you might classify as being in the majority. But almost all of them are having
a difficult time finding good jobs.  Most of them are business and commerse
majors. The only one I know whose gotten a good job ie) steady one. after
graduation is the one whose in Computer engineering like me.   It seems more
a matter of what degree you had, then your race.  Among my group of friends
there is a 100% correlation.  That comp eng friend of mine found a good
steady job within 3 months of graduation, the others havent yet.


Noticed you message address is from BNR, although your reply address is 
forged. 20% of my class works there, purhaps they know you, or you know 
them. I wont drop any names on the net though.


RT
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality/Bisexuality
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:48:08 GMT
	<1992Dec17.214324.10738@almserv.uucp>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

   Now that there seems to some interest in this subject. I would like to
   know how and when can you tell that you are homosexual/bisexual?

Arguably, this is asking the wrong question.  I'm rather fond of Gore
Vidal's observation that heterosexual and homosexual are adjectives
properly applied to acts (where they have a clear meaning) rather than
to people (where they don't).

For anyone who insists on classifying people, here's my test:

1. Have you ever found any person sexually attractive who was the SAME
   sex as you?  (Note: possible, probable, or actual sexual contact
   is NOT required).

2. Have you ever found any person sexually attractive who was the OTHER
   sex from you?  (Note: possible, probable, or actual sexual contact
   is NOT required).

If you said yes both times, you are "bisexual".  If you said yes only
to the first, you are "homosexual".  If you said yes only to the
second, you are "heterosexual".  If you said no to both, you have an 
interesting problem.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: I don't care if he's _green_...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:32:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com

	
	ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) :
	> Look, I don't care if he's Asian, Caucasian, African American, Latino,
	> Native American, or Zulu...Yanomamo...if the right one came along, 
	> then I'd date him, and if I "served" him it would be because I 
	> wanted to, not because of some ingrained subserviant docile Asian 
	> stereotype.

	> Hell, I can't even cook, anyway.
	>                                     --ac

Oh that's okay, the two R. Tang's can, though one of them doesn't
do windows.  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)

	Melinda


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: misra@paul.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:54 GMT

	
	Our daughter will speak three languages. English, Hindi
	and Vietnamese. That probably will work to her advantage
	since she can conspire against her mom in Hindi and against
	me in Vietnamese. Of course if she learns any more we will
	be in big, big trouble.

	Anyone out there whose kids speak a language they don't
	understand (on a regular basis)?

	Bye Bye
	
	Sanjay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:57:06 GMT

In article <1go32jINN1fc@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:

>Which leads me to my main question.  To all the Asian Americans
>out there, how much do you value your native (no...Asian) 
>Language (ie, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, those spoken in India
>(I'm not sure how to spell them), etc.etc.etc)?
>
>From personal experience, I've known many ChineseAs who regret that
>their parents didn't force them to learn Chinese (note, I didn't use
>the word force by accident).  I've also known many who could care
>less.  I myself right now am trying relearn the handful of Cantonese
>I know.
>So I ask you, what will you want for your children?  In the growing
>interracial marriage scene, should we expect our children to learn
>3 or 4 different languages (Spanish/English/Chinese trilingual in the
>aforementioned poster's son's case).  (and lets keep this a friendly
>debate :)

     Well, chalk me up in the column of children with regrets.  My folks
did try to teach me Mandarin, but I wasn't very interested at the time.
Now I find myself wishing I knew Mandarin and Cantonese both.

     One hint for you parents out there: teach 'em when they're young.
Once they reach their teens, they'll start rebelling.  Oh, and speak
both languages at home.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Texas State U Marching Band and Rodney King Looting
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 18:23:52 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
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X-Xxdate: Sat, 19 Dec 92 00:26:00 GMT

In article <71967@cup.portal.com> , Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>There's a tiff over the predominantly black Texas Southern U Band that
>went on a looting rampage in the electronics shopping district in Tokyo.
>Seemed they all blatantly grabbed stuff and ran back to the bus, where
>the cops were all waiting, and they had to leave most of the stuff in
>the aisle before they were allowed back into the airport. There were
>remarks from students that "this makes America look bad, it makes the
>school look bad, it makes the race look bad"
>

Before I think about commenting as you rquested, can you give more info on this,
or at least point me in the direction of getting more info.

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
======================================================================
From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and Symbols
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:32:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: utagraph.1992Dec13.173247.732
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington

In article <1992Dec12.000613.3280@newstand.syr.edu> mlau@mothra.syr.EDU (Michael  Lau) writes:
>For those who asked about all those abbreviations, here it is.  It's
>by no means complete, but a good start.  While we're on the subject,
>there's also a list of symbols.  Since this is s.c.a.a, make a special
>note about the symbol regarding Chinese.  Enjoy.  Quiz to follow.
>

[tons of informational smiley's et al vanished....]

i believe that was perhaps the most complete reference on net.faces i
have ever seen.  certainly makes for a nice break from the regular
"why are asian males geekoids" and "chinese-cu--the root of all evil" 
babblings going on here for what seems to be an eternity + 1.

^_^    <------  smiley face rightside up
                 has good grip on world and doesn't drool

laly thao


-- 

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