From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: I humbly apologize to Dr. Arens for my working alphabetically.
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:23:16 GMT
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il's message of 12 Aug 92 20:06:09 GMT


I'm starting to wonder whether it is worth pursuing this any further.
It's beginning to look like Mr. Werman is *intentionally* and
*dishonestly* trying to confuse matters.  I'll go at it one last time.

In article <12AUG199223103380@vms.huji.ac.il> rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
> Dr. Yigal Arens <arens@ISI.EDU> in message <22177@venera.isi.edu> writes:
>
> [quoting me:]
>
> >> I posted to three newsgroups, as far as I know, talk.politics.mideast,
> >> misc.headlines, and talk.politics.misc.  Which of these is obscure?
>
> [He replies:]
>
> >Yes, you POSTED to the groups you mention, but your recent posts
> >(including the one I'm responding to now!) have had their "Followup-To"
> >set to misc.headlines.  Anyone can check this for themselves.
>
> I responded to the groups where he posted; he, on the other hand posted to: 
>
> talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,
> and alt.censorship 
>
> - Anyone can check this for themselves.

They will have some difficulty doing so, since you've begun a new
thread, so the old "Subject" and "References" lines are no longer
available.  How exactly do you propose that people check this now?

In any event, my original posting was simply another in an existing
thread.  It went out to the same newsgroups that the message I responded
to went to.  In fact, many people were participating in this thread, and
you appear to have been the only one to play with the newsgroups it was
being posted to.

> Dr. Arens apparently thinks that misc.headlines is obscure.  I do not.
> He, on the other hand, has no problems with alt.censorship or 
> alt.conspiracy.  These in his judgement are apparently not obscure.
> [Although he too posted to misc.headlines, I note.]

As I said, I was responding to a posting that was sent to all the
above newsgroups.  Unlike Mr. Werman, I didn't change anything in that
regard.

> No, he tells us, it is not the groups that are crossposted that he
> meant but where I had my "Followup-To" set, to misc.headlines that
> he objects to.  He, on the other hand, remains true to t.p.m.

Oh?  *Now* I tell you?  That's what I've complained about from the
start.  My original request to you was to "please stop trying to
redirect my response to some obscure newsgroup", and not anything about
which groups you were crossposting to.  Is this, uhhh, "rephrasing" of
the issue also just another honest, innocent action on your part?  This
hardly seems possible to me, but perhaps you can provide an explanation.
I'm open minded.

You were posting something to multiple newsgroups, but trying to cause
my response to go only to one obscure group.  You are either having
trouble grasping the issue, or are intentionally distorting it.  Which
is it?

> I read the groups that I subscribe to alphabetically.  What can I
> do if misc.headlines appears before t.p.m. and I catch his message
> there?  I humbly apologize to Dr. Arens for working alphabetically.
> How very dull of me.  This posting is deliberately set to t.p.m.
> so Dr. Arens feels more comfortable.

What on earth does reading newsgroups alphabetically have to do with
this?  We didn't see you POSTING only to one group.  We saw you
REDIRECTING future responses to your posting only to one group.

If you innocently added a "Followup-to" line to what you thought was a
newsgroup I had an interest in, why don't you just say so?  By
continuing to raise arguments of dubious logic and sincerity you do
yourself no good.
--
Yigal Arens   "He seems like an average type of man.  He's not, like, smart.
USC/ISI        I'm not trying to bag on him or anything, but he has the same
arens@isi.edu  mentality I have -- and I'm in the eighth grade."     Vanessa
               Martinez, after VP Quayle's visit to her school-LA Times 5/21