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From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Re: Telepathy and the Mind
Summary: ..a little clearer..
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.014238.14967@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <BvwwyL.447@mach1.wlu.ca>, kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) writes:
>|> Greetings:
>|> 
>|> 	I'm doing a little private research (between my regular workload)
>|> into the phenomenon of telepathy.  It is my belief that this phenomenon can
>|> be explained by electromagnetic activity within the brain, but I need more
>|> info.  Can anyone out there provide me with the 'method' that they (or
>|> someone they know) use to achive telepathic communication with another?
>|> 	Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>Would you like to expand a bit on your experiment hypothesis.  
>
>  What do you mena by "telepathy"?
Well, the sending and receiving of mental messages, mainly.

>
>  What do you mean by "electromagnetic activity within the brain"?  Clearly
>  not EEG activity, but just what sort are you thinking of?
I was thinking of EM activity.

>
>  And most important, what relationship do you think might be there?
>  (That is what sort of "explanation" are you examining?)  Some sort
>  of EM signal that gets transmitted and received?  Telpathic events
>  trigger characteristic EM activity or are triggered by them?
Your former question sums it up.  I hope to look into whether telepathic
events are triggered by EM activity in the brain.

>
>  Does your theory indicate that telepathy might be linked to other,
> "normal" brain activity?  If so, what is it realted to and how?
Well, it's not a formal 'theory,' just a curiosity...I don't know how it may
be related, I wasn't focusing directly on that part.

>
>I'm not criticizing you, I'm interested in the details of your approach.
>
THat's fine, I'm just hammering them out myself.


-- 
Kevin Fisher  ><>    UUCP:kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca             Tiger-Tiger!
        Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"
        "Don't burn the library 'till you've read all the books;
             Sometimes in life you get a second look" - INXS
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Info on Kirlian equipment needed.
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:29:18 GMT

|> >From what I've read, the Kirlian effects are produced by the photographic
|> >chemicals on the film.  
|> 
RG: Well, you could say that of any image produced on film ;-)

I hadn't meant it that way, but you are correct.  :-)  This is
actually important, though:  unless you are interested in how
pretty the picture is, what you really want to know is what
external sources contributed to the image.  So I meant, the
images is mostly an artifact of the chemicals, with no external
source (except electricity and moisture).

|> >Most of the interesting differences are produced by the moisture of 
|> >the object being photographed.  "Living" leaves have auras, "dead" 
|> >ones don't, as live leaves have water in them, dead ones are dry.   
|> >People show different patterns depending on their emotional state, 
|> >as their skin has different amounts of sweat on it.
|> 
RG: Is this a guess, or is it based on fact?  The kirlian method puts a very
RG: low current high voltage across the film. The interaction of the item in
RG: contact with the film produces the effect.  The moisture is a
RG: significant factor.  It affects the conductivity of the object - more
RG: water, higher conductivity.  So more water, more "aura".  The
RG: relationship with emotional state ca be related to skin sensitivity in
RG: much the same way as a lie detector.
RG: 
RG: Guess what - I seem to be agreeing with you.  Note that all this is
RG: guesswork based on facts ;-)
<which is called "thinking" :-)>

I have read reports of experiments that explored these issues and
concluded that these effects occur and are ALL that are occuring.
(The references escape me at the moment--sorry.)   At the very least, 
to claim that the Kirilian photo is capturing something OTHER than 
these effects requires work to show that something beyond or beside 
these effects is occuring.

RG:  *However* does this mean that what we see on the film is *not* an aura?
RG:  That depends on what an "aura" is.  What the film has recorded is the
RG:  effect of an EM field.  We walk around in an EM field every day - the
RG:  Earth's Em field.  Granted it is weak.  We can see in very low light,
RG:  so why is it not possible that we might detect a weak EM field?
RG:  - because we can't see other ones - ok I never said the hypothesis was
RG:  watertight :-)

Light is an EM field.  The eyes are receptors tuned to a particular
range of wavelengths, i.e., visible light.  Yes, some people might
be able to see a bit farther into the infared or ultraviolet than
others, and this might look like an aura.  This is a straightforward
extension of the fact that people can see the color of someone's
clothes and skin.  This has little to do with "paranormal" theories
of "auras", which make elaborate claims relating them to astral
bodies, other levels of reality, and so on.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Allen Coody)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: UFO sighting over Verde Valley, AZ.
Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:34:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have been receiving questions relating to a UFO sighting within
the last three weeks in the Verde Valley, Arizona. It was supposedly
seen 45 miles south of Flagstaff, AZ. near a reststop on I-17. If
anyone is familiar with this sighting or have a reference for it, the
information will be greatly appreciated by our library staff.
-- 
Juan de los Caballeros
Time Traveler 1540-?
NAU CFN ETC...        "The Past Lives within the Present" Nemo nd
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Telepathy and the Mind
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:42:38 GMT

In article <BvwwyL.447@mach1.wlu.ca>, kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) writes:
|> Greetings:
|> 
|> 	I'm doing a little private research (between my regular workload)
|> into the phenomenon of telepathy.  It is my belief that this phenomenon can
|> be explained by electromagnetic activity within the brain, but I need more
|> info.  Can anyone out there provide me with the 'method' that they (or
|> someone they know) use to achive telepathic communication with another?
|> 	Any help would be much appreciated.

Would you like to expand a bit on your experiment hypothesis.  

  What do you mena by "telepathy"?

  What do you mean by "electromagnetic activity within the brain"?  Clearly
  not EEG activity, but just what sort are you thinking of?

  And most important, what relationship do you think might be there?
  (That is what sort of "explanation" are you examining?)  Some sort
  of EM signal that gets transmitted and received?  Telpathic events
  trigger characteristic EM activity or are triggered by them?

  Does your theory indicate that telepathy might be linked to other,
 "normal" brain activity?  If so, what is it realted to and how?

I'm not criticizing you, I'm interested in the details of your approach.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Re: Info on Kirlian equipment needed.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:14:29 GMT


Sorry to intrude but, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHAT the Kirlian
experiments are showing...real 'life' aura, or some electromagnetic
phenomenon unrelated to the subject?


-- 
Kevin Fisher  ><>    UUCP:kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca             Tiger-Tiger!
        Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"
        "Don't burn the library 'till you've read all the books;
             Sometimes in life you get a second look" - INXS
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Info on Kirlian equipment needed.
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:34:00 +0000

As far as I can remember Kirlian auras are produced by charging up a
specimine to a high vlotage - several tens of kV - and placing it
near a grounded plate. Often the film itself is actually in contact
with the grounded plate.

You get a corona discharge from the specimine: The nature of that is
dependent on the local conductivity of the specimine, so it can
actually show a lot of detail about the micro-structure.

The problem is to limit the actual current that may be delivered in
the event of an actual arc or accidentally touching the specimine.
Ideally you shoul use a very high impedance to 'charge'  the
specimine - hundreds of megohms or more. Ore use a source with a very
high impedance like a Wimshurst machine.

If you want to knock something up I would suggest taking apart a
flash gun and building a ginormous voltage multiplier on the back of
it. These inverters are automatically limited in the amount of charge
rate they can deliver. Then use not-very-big-capacitors if you don't
want to crisp your nerve ends in the case of accidents. :-)


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Date: 11 Oct 92 04:58:00 EST


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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:38:06 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
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Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
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Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
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Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
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6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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9.) How many years of education have you completed?
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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:37:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Ufo or my imagination. Which is it?
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:03:39 GMT
 <67359@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct8.195241.1274@u.washington.edu>
 <1992Oct9.155531.3757@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

I bring this question to this board in hopes of a response, good or bad
to tell me what I saw.

I recently went camping a week ago.  It was a nice place, and my best
friend was with me.  We are both college students, who enjoy the outdoors.
We set up camp around 5:00, built a few dams, skipped some rocks, normal stuff
to do when camping.  We didn't bring any beer or other mind altering drugs, nor
do we use any mind altering drugs.It was quiet and quite peaceful in the
woods. We camped near a stream, not one of the smartest moves...but anyway, the
night went on smoothly.  Later on, around 11:00 or so, we heard someone walking
though the water in the stream, and voices.  So we decided to see if it was
someone that we knew, sometimes people do walk around where we camp, since it's
fairly well known.
Well, we bumped into two people.  They didn't seem to be in any hurry, and
we said hi to them and they replied, "hey" back. They then stopped and started
to ask us questions about the area.  It didn't seem to be anything important,
although some of the questions were strange.They started asking about energy
and if we have it or know what it is.  We didn't know what to say, and then
the two figures left.  It didn't occur to me, because it was dark, that I
couldn't see their faces. I noticed as they started to leave that i could see
my friends face but not the two strangers that we seen.  At the time this
didn't bother me because you really couldn't see the moon anywhere, So it was
kind of dark. Although I did find it somewhat confusing, and started to try
and figure out if it had something to do with angles , but as i walked around
my friend, i could see him wherever i went.I then made the conclusion that
the strangers must have been black.

We watched them leave and when we were sure that they were gone we started
to head back to our camp site.My freind asked me if i noticed the funny
sulfur smell that they had.  I said i didn't and that it was probably just
because they were walking in the water.

As we started to head back, we heard this high pitched sound and seen this
thing rise up and then it flew past us.  It was blurry though, all you could
see was red yellow and purpleish lines. Actually it was quite bright.
I looked at my freind as he looked at me, and we decided that it was some
goverment weather balloon.  Because if we told anybody we seen aliens or
something they would put us in the funnyfarm.  So what was it that we seen?

My friend and I would really like some other opinions on this.

thanx.
     Smitty and Bill.
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Telepathy and the Mind
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: need info
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:42:21 GMT

Greetings:

	I'm doing a little private research (between my regular workload)
into the phenomenon of telepathy.  It is my belief that this phenomenon can
be explained by electromagnetic activity within the brain, but I need more
info.  Can anyone out there provide me with the 'method' that they (or
someone they know) use to achive telepathic communication with another?
	Any help would be much appreciated.

-Kev
-- 
Kevin Fisher  ><>    UUCP:kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca             Tiger-Tiger!
        Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"
        "Don't burn the library 'till you've read all the books;
             Sometimes in life you get a second look" - INXS
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: UFO - area 51...
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct8.033654.10258@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>, tnishi@kansas.Berkeley.EDU (NISHIYAMA Tetsuto) writes in part:
|> 	Yes, you're right, it IS quite normal behaviour.  I still don't
|> know how NASA could fit in though.  I know that NASA has very strong ties
|> with the military but I can't think of anything that may include the
|> participation of NASA at a military base in PR.  Any ideas?
I'll have to check.  There are many possibilities:  space tracking,
research flights, communications.  It's also possible that the
NASA link is false, distorted, or blown out of proportion.

|> 	sorry, I was just mentioning some of the questions that they came
|> up with...the story of the "rare species" came from one of the high 
|> ranking military officers that they interviewed...They asked a question
|> concerning reports from people who claim to have seen something jumping
|> out in front of their cars before their mind-blank.  The officer responded
|> with something about a new species of animal that they discovered in the
|> wooded areas of PR...what do you make out of this?  I don't know what to
|> think about his comment.
It sounds like a joke to me.

|> [sarcasm on]
|> 	Yeah, just like Uri Geller, the psychic... no, let me say that
|> again..."THE psychic" (heavily accented "THE"!)   :)
|> [sarcasm off]
|> 
|> 	I will look for his name next time though...
What?  You don't believe UG?  You must be one of those nasty skeptics!
:-)

|> [begin p.s.]
|> Robert, are you also interested in other subjects falling into the 
|> "paranormal" label, or do you mainly concentrate on UFOs? (just a 
|> question out of curiousity not related to the above discussion)
|> [end p.s.]
If you watch this news group you'll see me putting my oar in all over 
the place!

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Area 51 Is it real ? YES
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:21:23 GMT




Area 51 is a classified limited area inside the Nevada test site that
borders on the southwest side of Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.

There are classified sites within Area 51 that perform different missions.
One that has been in the press lately is the secret flight test facility
near Groom Lake inside of Area 51. That is where the U.S. Airforce test
flights some of it's Black Programs aircraft.

The other sites in area 51 are Classified at the highest level. No one
knows what goes on. There is an electrophysicist who claims he worked
there and reverse engeineered a supposed UFO. Unfortunately, he has
no proof to back up his claims.

I hope this clears up some of the Area 51 controversy.

These comments are my own and are not those of LLNL or U.S. Department
of Energy.

Guy
Urbina@novax.llnl.gov

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Info on Kirlian equipment needed.
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:55:59 GMT

In article <BvxyK5.5Ez@mach1.wlu.ca>, kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry to intrude but, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHAT the Kirlian
|> experiments are showing...real 'life' aura, or some electromagnetic
|> phenomenon unrelated to the subject?
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Kevin Fisher  ><>    UUCP:kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca             Tiger-Tiger!
|>         Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"
|>         "Don't burn the library 'till you've read all the books;
|>              Sometimes in life you get a second look" - INXS

From what I've read, the Kirilian effects are produced by the photographic
chemicals on the film.  

Most of the interesting differences are produced by the moisture of 
the object being photographed.  "Living" leaves have auras, "dead" 
ones don't, as live leaves have water in them, dead ones are dry.   
People show different patterns depending on their emotional state, 
as their skin has different amounts of sweat on it.

When you think about it, electricity + moisture + photoactive
chemicals could lead to all sorts of wierd effects on the photographs,
and apparently it does!

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Area 51 Is it real ? YES
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:07:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


  Interesting....I spent 12 years in the Air Force in Flight Operations
at various places.  A number of senior pilo who I worked with (at the
full-bird-Colonel level and above) were quite interested in this topic.
(UFO's in general) Several of them said that during staff tours at the
Pentagon, they "heard rumors".  Allow me to translate here:  Despite the
fact that classified information is dispensed on a "need to know" basis,
such information often finds it's way beyond the people who are supposed
to have access to it.  Example:  Joe is working on "sensitive projects"
in the Pentagon's R&D section.  Joe's buddy Pete works in another office,
and has expressed his strong interest in "sensitive projects" to Joe. 
Joe knows and trusts Pete, having worked with him for years, so over a
few drinks Joe outlines some "rumors" Pete, strictly as a favor to a
friend.  Needless to say, such "rumors" are often thinly disguised facts.
They tend to be altered just enough to make them untraceable to the 
original disseminator..
So what's the point?  If enough people of high enough rank to have been
exposed to sensitive material have "heard rumors" related to UFOs, 
SOMETHING is going on here.  I'm not going to try to theorize about 
what that something is, but I will say I believe the jury is still out
on this topic.

Regards,



-- 
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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Ufo or my imagination. Which is it?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:55:37 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <92286.130339CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>, <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes
in part:
|> I bring this question to this board in hopes of a response, good or bad
|> to tell me what I saw.
I have no idea at all.  Sounds pretty cool, though.

|> As we started to head back, we heard this high pitched sound and seen this
|> thing rise up and then it flew past us.  It was blurry though, all you could
|> see was red yellow and purpleish lines. Actually it was quite bright.
|> I looked at my freind as he looked at me, and we decided that it was some
|> goverment weather balloon.  
Have either of you ever seen a weather balloon, "goverment" or not?
What was this decision based on?  In particular, I thought balloons
are kind of silvery grey, do not cary lights, and are silent.  Its
also kind of rare to be launching them

|> Because if we told anybody we seen aliens or
|> something they would put us in the funnyfarm.  
Not likely.  The real drawback is the wierd folks you might attract who
will want ot sell you their own interpretation.

|>So what was it that we seen?
You saw a bright red, yellow, purpleish lined thing, that apparently
flew and made a hugh pitched sound!

Nobody else saw it, so the rest of us are simply speculating.  There
are plenty of possibilies.  For starters, you might wonder if the
campsite is near an air corridor.  One wonders if the strangers might
have been experimenting with home built firworks or radio control aircraft.
You could be telling a story (you know better than we if you're
pulling our legs).  It could be a mysterious alien spaceship.  Who
knows?  Who cares?

Since we have far less info than you do, there is no way in the world
to say anything much about what you saw.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu