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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Social Security
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:31:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.153828.4513@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In other words, there is so much 'fuzz' on your number that it isn't
>meaningful. 

When I was making the calculations, I checked each "fuzz factor" for
general direction and magnitude.  I always picked the direction of
the "fuzz factor" so that it was either worst case, or in that general
direction.

For eaxmple, using the 30 to 50 year age bracket, when I figured the
average mortality rates, I neglected to point out that the mortality
rate is fairly flat over much of that range, but shows a sharp knee
upwards around age 45.  Since this raises the average mortality rate
higher than it really is, I didn't bother to calculate the true
mortality rate - doing so would produce a less "bad" number.  That
is, the amount of money required to fund those deaths would be lower
if the real numbers were used.

There were several "fuzz factors" in there which came out of that
choice.  The first was the increased mortality rate.  The second was
the assumption that there were two children - in fact, since both of
the 1.9 average children a couple in America has today (yes, if it
weren't for immigration, we'd have a negative growth rate), aren't
born at the same time, that is another "fuzz factor" in my favor.
A third is that since the deaths will be concentrated at the higher
ages, the average length of benefit payout will actually be shorter
than the ten years I used.  And it isn't ten years on average since
children are only elligible for benefits until age 18.  And it isn't
"wife and two kids" since 70% of all women work, and a working mother
isn't elligible if she earns over some fairly small amount.  And
it still won't be 9 years average benefits since presumably the
oldest child is at least 9 months older than the youngest.

So, while those numbers might be pretty meaningless, they are
meaningless in my favor, not yours.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Social Security
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:49:54 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec27.190501.9404@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>
>Again, no true.  Do the math.  If you are "truly" rich, you will lose
>all of your benefits.  After $10,200, you lose 33 cents for every dollar
>of income you earn.  I wouldn't call a single retiree with only $10K
>per year of income "rich".  Would you?

	Yes.  If they owned their $250K house outright, owned a vacation
	cottage by the lake, with boat, and owned both of their cars.  They
	also have $300,000 in the bank, and so, their interest income, at the
	current rates might be less than $10k.  And they have no other income.
	So, by what you I say, I guess they would recieve social security
	benefits, but, yes, I would call them rich.

>The rich fund it but don't receive benefits.  This is how it really works.

	There is a difference between wealth and income.  Figure it out.
	The rich have.  If you take a little time and effort you will see
	how easy it is to go to zero income and still retain most of your
	wealth.

	But, then again, the rich would never try to play the system for their
	own benefit, would they? :-(.

-- 
Russell Spence                                               Austin, Texas

"Foot-impelled bi-directional verticle transport asset"
				- staircase, as defined by the U.S. Army
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Social Security
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:41:28 GMT

In <1992Dec31.224142.11137@rpp386> jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <3227@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence) writes:
>>	Yes.  If they owned their $250K house outright, owned a vacation
>>	cottage by the lake, with boat, and owned both of their cars.  They
>>	also have $300,000 in the bank, and so, their interest income, at the
>>	current rates might be less than $10k.  And they have no other income.
>>	So, by what you I say, I guess they would recieve social security
>>	benefits, but, yes, I would call them rich.

>Certainly, in this particular example, someone who is wealthy is going to
>receive Social Security benefits.  Big deal.  They put in the money, and
>now they are getting 43 cents back for every dollar they put in.  You
>would rather they received zero.

>>	There is a difference between wealth and income.  Figure it out.
>>	The rich have.  If you take a little time and effort you will see
>>	how easy it is to go to zero income and still retain most of your
>>	wealth.

>So what.  Again, the rich fund Social Security and they receive 43 cents
>back for each dollar put in.  THIS is the reality of Social Security.

>Watch -

>In:	$55,000/yr * 13% * 47 years = $336,050
>Out:	$16,800/yr * 8 years = $134,400

Now check up his sleeve for that guy making $150,000 when he retires and
for the scheme that kept that poor guy at the same pay level (which
just HAPPENED to coincide with where the income cap on Social Security
is) for FORTY SEVEN YEARS.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Social Security
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:19:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.152505.4349@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>As for the benefits at retirement, I'm curious.  If your income vastly
>exceeded $55k for the 5 years prior to retirement, is your SS pension
>based on $55k or on your total income?  If the former, your point is
>at least SOMEWHAT correct.  If the latter, you're once again playing
>games by selecting the number at the ceiling as your 'rich' figure.

"FICA Income" is what Social Security is based upon.  If you make 10
times the FICA limit, you receive exactly the same as though you made
exactly the FICA limit.  My "FICA Income" last year was $55,500.
That is the number that will be plugged into the "Average Income"
formula, not whatever it actually was (and I don't have the slightest
idea how much I made ...).

I don't play games, Fred.  If it were based on the later I'd be jumping
up and down screaming about how the rich people put in only up to the
limit but draw out based on a much larger income figure.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: root@moller3.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Social Security
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:41:19 GMT
Organization: Damn little.

In article <2934986077.1.p00197@psilink.com> guthery@slcs.slb.com writes:
>Here's a modest suggestion.  How about all the people that make the
>rules for and adminster Social Security have to be covered by it?  No
>small part of the Social Security mess is due to the fact that the
>folks who design it (your elected representatives) and the folks that
>adminster it (the Federal bureaucracy) are covered by their own independent
>retirement plan and don't really care if Social Security works at all.
>

Variation: make the congressdweebs and bureaucreeps pay into SS and 
then guarantee that they will never get a dime in benefits.  Come to
think of it, isn't that the deal the rest of us are getting?


-- 
Chris Moller (moller@austin.ibm.com)

IBM pays absolutely no attention to my opinions, ergo the 
foregoing cannot possibly represent its position.
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: 103rd Congress in Session on Tuesday.
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:11:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.135416.12356@sooner.ctci.com>, dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
> 103rd Congress Opens Tuesday
> WASHINGTON (AP)
>    The 103rd Congress convenes Tuesday, infused with newcomers and
> eager to prove it heard voters' demands to end years of partisan
> stalemate once President-elect Clinton takes office.
 
Right.  Voters have said that not only do they want to continue getting
the same amount of goods and services for the money they are already
paying (which is more than $300 billion short), but they want even more.
Spend more on roads, more on education, more on training, get the
government involved in medical care so that we can get even better care
for less. 
 
Is there any doubt what the results are going to be?
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 02:10:51 GMT
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 <np3es*5v1@caleb.UUCP> <1993Jan2.154627.4729@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Distribution: tx
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1993Jan2.154627.4729@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> In <np3es*5v1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Dec10.140419.21677@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:
> 
> >>> In <21974@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> >>> compromise.  
> >> 
> >> But George Bush has never seemed to understand that.  His approach
> >> seems to be submit things you know they won't approve then cry when
> >> they do what you expect them to.
> 
> >Is this the same Fred that complained mightily about how Bush wouldn't submit
> >a balanced budget?
> 
> "Complained mightily"?  No.  However, it is the same Fred who pointed
> out that George Bush never EVER attempted to get a budget that was
> significantly better balanced than the one he got.  If you don't see
> the difference between that and what I said about him submitting
> things he knows they won't approve and then crying about the result
> (instead of going in and negotiating a compromise), then I really
> can't help you.

Fred, you need help.  You just can't comprehend the fact that your beloved
Democrat controlled Congress wanted to spend MUCH MORE than Bush proposed on
nearly everything.  Now you say that he didn't compromise enough.  Of course
you won't be able to understand the inherent contradiction in your positions.

Why don't you just watch Slick Willie and Company.  The deficit WILL grow much
more than taxes will increase (and they will increase significantly.)  However,
I'm sure that you will find a way to blame it all on George Bush.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
Newsgroups: tx.wanted,houston.wanted
From: bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Benjamin E Delfin)
Subject: Need first Eyebeam book
Organization: not bloody much
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:42:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Posted-From: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Northern boy though I am, I (and some of my friends) have become a rabid
Eyebeam fan.  Unfortunately, it seems that the first Eyebeam collection
(I forget the title) has gone out of print.  If anyone'd be willing to
sell me their copy, I'd be most appreciative.

Btw, is Sam Hurt still producing, or has Eyebeam been shut down?

"I got to see a lot of my family - but it seems like I spent more time
getting from one place to another than I did enjoying myself."
"In a way, I guess that's what *life* is like..."
"No - that's what Houston is like."
                                       -Eyebeam

Ben
Benjamin Eli Delfin             | "I am not open-minded. Some of my best
bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu     |  friends are bigots!" - me
bed@curaim.phys.columbia.edu    |  Take only pictures, steal only time,
alberich@valkyrie.phys.etc      |  leave only footprints. - unknown
From: z_bighamcp@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: Seeking Roomates - Austin
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:44:22 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I'm planning to move to Austin within the month but I severely need
potential roomates.  I've heard about a place called "Roomates, Inc."
but have no other information on them.  Can anyone suggest any locations
to search for roomies besides the Austin paper? I'm located in Nacogdoches,
so reading the boards at UT is kinda out. Any other suggestions?

Otherwise,

I'm a 24 year old white non-smoker with few possessions and a pleasant
personality.  I can get along with most anyone and am looking for a place
for at least a few months, possibly a lot longer, depending on how well
I like it and my roomates like me. I keep a tidy house and generally prefer
a semi-quiet surrounding. Gee, do I sound like a cat? Maybe that's because
I love them, but have none of my own.  I'm looking for a place where my
share of rent would be between 120-200 a month.  I now live with three other
guys and have done so for the past three years, so if I can get along with
them I can get along with most anyone. :)  Did I forget to mention that I
cook very well and love watching Ren and Stimpy?

Do I sound like someone you or one of your friends wouldn't mind rooming
with?  Them email me at z_bighamcp@ccsvax.sfasu.edu

Thanks and Happy Holidays,

Chuck
From: prisoner@village.freeside.com (The Prisoner)
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: Nintendo Power Gloves
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:01:43 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Village

Does anyone have a Power Glove they will part with?  or know of a place that
might still have one in stock. (hopefully not to expensive hehe)


  thanks
   prisoner


 --
                         prisoner@village.freeside.com
                                     <<->>
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped,
                     indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered!
                               My life is my own!
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From: kevin.carr@u2u.lonestar.org (Kevin Carr) 
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: COMPUTER STUFF FORSALE
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: USER-TO-USER PCBoard (214)492-6565 (USR DS v32bis)
Reply-To: kevin.carr@u2u.lonestar.org (Kevin Carr) 

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!!  AUTO SWITCH, CAMCORDER, MEMORY, MOUSE, FLOPPIES, AND MUCH MORE! !!
!! All prices are negotiable.  All money will be used to pay for my !!
!!            college tuition, books, and housing payments.         !!
!!                   Thanks for helping me out!                     !!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEMORY
======
256K SIMMS, 70ns, $12 each.

MISC PC PARTS AND SOFTWARE:
===========================
Conner CP2044PK 60M 2" IDE Hard Drive (for notebooks and such), $185.

Panasonic 1124 Printer, 24 pin dot matrix, perfect working condition
w/manual and ribbon, $215.

LIKE NEW Citizen 200GX Printer w/optional color support.  Used only
twice.  About 8 new printer ribbons.  $175.

60 MEG Tape Drive - LIGHTNING FAST - with controller and *18*
tapes!  $280.

Tower Case w/6 Bays, NEW Power Supply, 2 HDD LEDs, Turbo, Reset, etc.
ON/OFF switch sticks.  $70.

360K Teac Floppy Drive, $40.

720K Floppy Drive (5.25" Drive), $40.

Mouse Systems 2-Button Serial Mouse (Great!) w/Drivers and Manual, $45.

TWO Serial pcboard and port for Okidata dot matrix printer, $2 each.

NEW RS-232C 2-Way Auto Switch.  100% GUARANTEED!  $45.

Microsoft Word 4.0 for DOS  (Educational) NEW PACKAGE, In Wrapping.
Word Processor: Macros; style sheets; spell check; outlining; on-line
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floppy controller, 360K Floppy.  No Power Supply.  $75.

XT 8Mhz, 640K, EGA Card/Monitor, 20 Meg (w/Stacker), 360K Floppy,
720K Floppy, Serial Port, Parallel Port, Epson FX-80 Printer,
Keyboard.  $500.

Mountain Computer Inc Tape Drive 60MB, Model 01-02375-01, w/
controller and cable (no software or tapes), NOT TESTED!, $50.

OTHER GENERAL MISC PARTS:
=========================
Loft Bed, great for dorms or small bedrooms, $70.

Panasonic Camcorder, extra lenses, carrying bag, credit/lettering
   computer, light, extra batteries, tripod, unit which converts from
   slides/pictures to camcorder, and much much more!!  100% GUARANTEED.
   MUST SELL, $675 or best offer.

BAD Oak Tech 16-bit 256K VGA Card (intermittent), $7.

BAD Seagate ST-4096 80M Hard Drive, $20.

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Phone: Kevin at 817-898-8587 or 214-219-2837.
Email: RIME R/O ->UTOU, Fido 1:124/6300, kevin.carr@u2u.lonestar.org
From: flashman@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Jerry Bishop)
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: Ceramic pouring table
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:10:12 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

  I'm in search of a used ceramic pouring table for my mother. She's 
unable to move heavy objects, and we believe that this table will lesson 
the burden on her. The table she's looking for needs to have a built-in 
agaiter, and recycling pump. 

Please E-mail me directly at:
   flashman@unkaphaed.gbdata.com
 
               Thanks,
                    Jerry  (aka Flashman)
 


--
flashman@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Jerry Bishop)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
After December 31, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Imagewriter-I manual
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:18:34 GMT

I need docs on an Apple Imagewriter-1 printer. I've got it talking to my
UNIX system, via a null modem cable, but I need to know what handshaking
it uses and how you can set things like baud rate.
-- 
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From: William.Sanders@f665.n106.z1.fidonet.org (William Sanders)
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: Imagewriter-I manual
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:25:30 -0600

Peter - You might want to try an outfit called Sun Remarketing.  They've been
reselling refurbed and new Apple stuff since 1984/5 and seem to know more than
most apple folks.  Forget the #, but its in toll free directory information. 
Shreve Systems, in Shreveport, LA, may have this too... They're another big
apple remarketer - though not as big as sun (The number for Shreve can be found
in toll free assistance or in the computer shopper).

regards
William Sanders

Newsgroups: tx.wanted
From: tortlieb@lonestar.utsa.edu (Travis J. Ortlieb)
Subject: wanted: futon
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:01:09 GMT

I would like to purchase a full or twin futon for (hopefully)
around $100.    This would be for frame _and_ pad.

If anyone has one they would like to get rid of, please E-mail me
and I'll get back to ya.

It doesn't have to be only from s.a., I can go to Austin, Dallas,
or points between.

TtRrAaVvIiSs  OoRrTtLlIiEeBb
travis ortlieb, UTSA student at large.
Standard disclaimers apply.
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'75 Honda 550F Rat-bike   |   UTSA will disclaim any knowledge of my existance
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From: clayson@xenomorph.Eng.Sun.COM (Mathew Clayson)
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: LEGOs
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:47:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: clayson@xenomorph.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: xenomorph
Keywords: toy




I'm looking for old LEGO collections, I'm more intrested in ones with boxes and/or
instructions even if some pieces are missing.

I'm also looking for someone who can buy LEGOs in Europe and send them to California,
I'll be happy to pay or trade for this.

Mat Clayson
Day (415)336-2014 after Jan. 4
Eve (510)226-1937

Newsgroups: tx.jobs
From: cisml@world.std.com (Marty Lebowitz)
Subject: Sr. Software Engineers - Diagnostics  (CIS)  Recruiter
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:24:26 GMT


#122292 - Sr. Software Engineers (3) - Diagnostics


Will be responsible for design and implementation of diagnostics
and tests of architecture for next generation multiprocessor systems.
Requires 3+ years industry experience with specialties and interests 
in C-programming, diagnostics, online exercisers, performance and 
health monitors, real-time systems, device drivers and UNIX-based 
Location: MA, TX, FL. Other intermediate and senior level openings 
(contract & direct) exists both locally and nationally.

For immediate consideration call or fax resume to:

Marty Lebowitz, President
CIS; Box 456
Brookline 02146 
Tel: 617- 232-8300
Fax: 617- 232-6240



				# # # #


	
Newsgroups: tx.jobs
From: cisml@world.std.com (Marty Lebowitz)
Subject: Sr. Software Consultants - UNIX/AIX OS  Marty Lebowitz (Recruiter)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:43:21 GMT

#122302 - Sr. Software Consultants (3) - UNIX/AIX OS

Will be responsible for assisting in porting UNIX System 5.4 to 
RISC architecture. Requires 3+ years industry experience with 
specialties in UNIX internals, OS interfacing, performance tuning, 
kernal enhancements, software engineering, AIX and Micro-channel 
device drivers. Location: MA, TX, FL. Other intermediate and senior 
level openings exits (contract & direct) both locally and nationally. 
Referrals encouraged.

For immediate confidential consideration call or fax resume to:

Marty Lebowitz, President
CIS; Box 456
Brookline 02146 
Tel: 617- 232-8300
Fax: 617- 232-6240



				# # # #
From: mkumar@cs.utexas.edu (Mohan J. Kumar)
Newsgroups: tx.jobs
Subject: Programmers wanted
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:29:06 -0600
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Austin, CS Dept.
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaches.cs.utexas.edu

There are several positions open for WINDOWS SDK developers in the New York
and New Jersey area. 
Candidates must have good communication skills. 
WINDOWS SDK experience is a pre-requisite. 
These are contract programmer positions. Projects are of 3 months - 1 year 
duration.


Please call Jaya Sinnathamby at INTERCO for more details:

Tel     : (708)663-0012
Fax     : (708)663-0013
email   : 5379581@mcimail.com