HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Is this a Teach bug or is it me?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:53:15 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

Has anybody else had this problem:  Import an Appleworks (3.0) file, select
all, and change the font to Helvetica.  The system then hangs (forever).  Or
maybe it's just something I've done.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Andy departs... (was Re: System 6 Launcher!)
Summary: wowzers
Keywords: R-H,R-C,T-R,GS<>IRC,street gangs armed with PowerBooks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:11:20 GMT

This was about the most classic thing I've ever read on c.s.a2.  I think we
need more stories.  :-)

-- 
   Ian Schmidt | irsman@iastate.edu |  I signed the SEF petition!  Did you?
      "Please, put down your weapons!" - RoboCop via MOD.FreudianDream
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (99E99)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems on IIgs
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:09:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr10.155318.8111@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
}I'd like to get a Supra V.32bis/V.42bis (14.4K bps with up to 4:1 compression)
}FAX/modem for use with my IIgs with ROM 01.  However, the maximum speed of the
}modem port appears to be only 19.2K bps, and the theoretical peak of the modem
}is 57.6K bps.  Is 19.2K bps the limit on ROM 03 mamaboards too?  

	Yes and no. The Control Panel on the ROM 3 only goes up to 19.2..

	However, ProTERM 3.0 deals with the serial port chip directly, 
and the chip's maximum is 57.6Kbaud.  Right now I am connected at 9600 baud, 
with a 38400 connection between the computer and the modem. (MNP is the 
compression scheme on right now, however, so the actual maximum 
throughput is 19.2Kbaud).

	You'll need to also get the macro that I posted to switch
the highest speed in ProTERM 3.0 from 38.4Kbaud to 57.6Kbaud. (It was
written by Greg Schaeffer himself). 

	By the way, are you _sure_ that the modem goes up to 57.6Kbaud?
Even though v.32bis is 14400 and there is a theoretical maximum of 4:1 
compression, SOME of the modems only advertize as going up to 38400 as a 
theoretical maximum.  I'd guess it's a limitation of the modem chipset or
serial port hardware in the modem. [To make the modems hella cheap, they
sometimes have to cut corners]  I'm not saying you should pay (much) more
to get one that'll do 57.6K over one that'll do 38.4K.  Remember, you 
almost never get anywhere up that fast..
-- 
/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu GS SIMM mem card & trackball WANTED  Apple II Forever!\
\Mail me:Get INFOCOM GAMES RERELEASED,ULT VI GS done,for UNIX GS&CHEAP CD info/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rod@rod.cc.iastate.edu (R Eldridge, VMS FOREVER)
Subject: Re: "C"
Reply-To: rod@rod.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:27 GMT

mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning) writes:
>An excellent book I recommend to anyone is "A Book on C" which, on the
>cover seems to say "A B C".  It takes you from the simplist to the
>most complex types of things.  Very good starter book.  Lost two of
>them to friends already.
>
>I don't know what the ISBN number is or anything (having just recently
>lost my second book), but you can go to ANY bookstore and get that
>information.  As for mail order.  Some bookstores will place a mail
>order for you for a book.  All you have to do is to prepay for the
>book and instead of it being shipped to them it is shipped directly
>to you.  Try it out.  If they decline to help simply get the manufacturer's
>phone number and/or address, find out the price for the book, and
>do it directly.  Later.
>

"A Book on C": Library of Congress Catalog in Publication Data

Kelly, Al.
  An introduction to programming in C.

  Includes index.
  1. C (Computer program language)  I. Pohl, Ira.
II. Title.
QA76.73.C15K44  1984    001.64'24   84-9357
ISBN 0-8053-6860-4

     GHIJ-AL-8987

The Benjamin/Cummings Publishing Company, Inc.
2727 Sand Hill Road
Menlo Park, California 94025

rod eldridge             gvrod@isuvax.bitnet -or-
iowa state university    gvrod@isuvax.iastate.edu
(515) 294-7498           fax: (515) 294-7498
From: delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: Sokoban 2.1 on c.b.a2
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:26:18 GMT
Organization: AECL RESEARCH

John that's the news address.  if you have new you can access it or
or FTP TO 128.252.135.4
cd usenet/comp.binaries.apple2/Articles
get index

then
get file number (DONOT INCLUDE THE .Z AND THE DECOMPRESSION WILL BE DONE ON
SENDING THE FILE)

GRANT DELANEY
AECL
RESEARCH
PINAWA, MANITOBA
R0E 1L0
delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: P8 v2.0.1 - I like it (plus some questions/observations)
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:09:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65143
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr8.001918.29837@cs.uow.edu.au> david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes:
>[...]
>Now a few questions based on my perusal of the ProDOS installer disk routines.
>
>1)	Why does it do a smartport status on unit #2 prior to the status
>	on unit #0 to determine the number of units actually present - but
>	ONLY if the smartport is a SCSI smartport according to $cnfb?

This is to force the status(0) to return a useful unit count.  The high-
speed SCSI card always returns something boring (1?) until you access
some other device to force it to build its tables.

>2)	I see that the "map slot 5 drive 3 & 4 into slot 2 drive 1 & 2" code
>	is still present even though the new smartport mapping could have
>	done this. Is this so that these devices will remain in slot 2
>	or is the ProDOS entry quicker than the SmartPort remapper (or
>	some other reason altogether)?

The old mappings are preserved to reduce compatibility problems.  (I would
be surprised to find any significant speed difference between the ProDOS
and SmartPort entry points, but I haven't done any timings.)

>3)	It appears that the remapper will refuse to use the second drive
>	position of a slot containing a smartport card. Thus an Apple
>	"Slinky" slot RAM card will effectively use up two volume positions.
>	Is this correct and if so why?

It's correct.  Early in development, we allowed it to fill in the second
positions in slots where only the first was used.  This caused problems
with some applications.  (And the problems were legitimate--applications
doing what the ProDOS 8 Technical Notes 20 & 21 told them to were running
into problems.)

>4)	If anyone is lucky enough to have 14 volumes after the remapper is
>	done, ProDOS will then be unable to install /RAM which might then
>	cause some programs that require the entire Aux memory (and check
>	for /RAM in case ProDOS now uses the Aux LC) to fail to run.
>
>	I just had another look and I think it is even worse - the /RAM
>	installer does not check for slot 3 drive 2 being vacant - it just
>	writes the $ff00 vector in and increments the number of devices by 1.
>	This could be interesting...

Thanks for the details!  Will look into this.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Finder extensions in sys 6
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:49:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <m0lYNWZ-0000B4C@crash.cts.com> kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan) writes:
>[...]
>Oh, and BTW, Andy Nicholas, Dave Lyons *** WAKE UP ***. I didn't mind the
>notes being in AWGS word processing form, but I sure would have appreciated
>more tab stops in the documents......ARGH!

There *aren't* AWGS documents on the final 6.0 CD.  The ones on the BETA
CD were intentionally sloppy, because there were substantial changes yet
to be made (and there was no way we had time to make parallel changes to
the documents-in-progress).

Our time and patience is finite, and there's much room for improvment in
most applications' save-as-other-format options.

On the 6.0 final CD, there are TEXT and Microsoft Word files.  The toolbox
document (the largest one) is formatted reasonably well as text; I spent 6
or 8 hours tidying it up.  The rest of them are halfway reasonable, too.

We're not asleep, just busy.

By the way, I *don't* recommend you release any 6.0-compatible software
based on the BETA-time documentation.  There were a lot of changes after
that.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Subject: Re: AudioZap 1.2 still won't record
Summary: Andy's IIgs is haunted
Keywords: ha-ha-how,shredder,krang,rocksteady,bebop
Organization: Iowa State University of Censorship and Repression
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:24:19 GMT

In article <d2eu02cfc03L00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>Well, I disabled my ZipGS and AUDIOZAP STILL WON'T RECORD OR ALLOW ME TO
>MONITOR INPUT.
>
>(sorry for yelling, just wanted to be heard over Ian's shouts)
>
>I'm still getting nothing but whisper static in AudioZap, I can still record
>with the software that comes with the card (with my Zip enabled, no less),
>and I can still watch the oscilloscope dance to the beat of the music.

Hmm...what slot is the MDIdeas card in, and how is the control panel set for
that slot (its not supposed to matter, but I didn't test in all 7 :)
And if the scope works, digitizing and monitoring should too.  I just checked
w/a friend with the MDIdeas and he said it works fine.  Do you have the standard MDIdeas digitizer or the Pro?

[standard 'power user' config deleted]
 
>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
>[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]



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"If you want something done right, 90% don't ask an Amiga owner" - The Prisoner
    "We made the Amiga and then C= f**ked it up!" - AmigaDOS Easter Egg
From: karsten@pnet51.orb.mn.org (E. Karsten Smelser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 *still* isn't in Seattle
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: orbit.7416
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.


        It's impossible to get sys6 around the cities!  One Apple dealer says
it is not scheduled for release until May 15, 1992 - and they probably won't
carry it anyway.  (He also said that he was sick of all the IIGS users calling
and buggung him for the last 4 months - pretty rude).
        Another Apple dealer says that they didn't even know that Apple was
making any more OS upgrades for the IIGS.
        And yet another says that the upgrade should be available within a
couple weeks, but, it will probably cost over $80.
        Computerland didn't even think that the II's were still out in the
world (the guy on the phone didn't even know what I was talking about - until
I explained that the ]['s were what he used in school in 1977).
        None of the chain stores even carry II software, much less, OS
upgrades anymore (sh*t, they don't even carry any Macintosh software!)

        HELP!

 
PROJECT EARTH   612/731-2665   300/2400 bps   24 Hrs/Day   60 Megs
 
UUCP: {tcnet, crash, quest}!orbit!pnet51!karsten
ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!karsten@nosc.mil
INET: karsten@pnet51.orb.mn.org
From: Benjamin.Doherty@f152.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Benjamin Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Reply to Re: Comp.sys.apple2 -> FIDO
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:17:25 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/152

MQUINN@1:363/42 writes:

M>
M> A Mac friend of mine is writing a converter from Rice-mail to Fido-Mail.
M> When he's through with it, he's gunna give me the source, then I'll port
M> it to the II.  He's writing it to push info-mac into Fido-net.
M> I may not have to do any kind of conversion 'cause he's writing it in
M> ANSI-C (a.k.a. NO TOOLS).
M>

Two problems with that, you'll also have to write a reader for that, and Fido
already does that for you... just find a UFGate in your area... how do you
think I'm reading c.s.a2 on my system?


===
Benjamin Doherty

        FidoNET:  Benjamin Doherty@1:363/152
       InterNET:  Benjamin.Doherty@f152.n363.z1.fidonet.org

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From: rob.hoover@gnh-starport.cts.com (Robert Hoover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Proterm 3.0 Editor and ProDOS 2.0.1
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:28:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Apr 12 92 at 09:12:23 (EDT)


Have youtried using PD8 1.9 and seeing if it happens ? BTW I take it you hae
several megs online ?

        -Rob

Check you preferance permanerters(sp) setting and see if something is off
there.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple Mem chips for use in GS
From: lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (John Hale)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:32:07 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I was asking the very same thing about a week ago concerning using Apple 
RAM chips in a GS. I had a bunch (1 meg, excatly) of 256kilobit*8 chips 
from the AE Ramfactor card in my //e. I don't think they were DMA 
compattible in the sense of being directly addressable in the //e. I am 
pretty sure one had to use the protocol converter or use it as a RAMdisk. 
Anyways, I also had a virtually unpopulated GS memory card, (the pure 
Apple kind). The chips seemed similar so I popped them in. (Call me 
crazy) They worked fine, one just has to remember to connect the jumpers 
on the GS memory card to indicated how much memory has been plugged in. 
As for SIMMS, I know of now //e,c,+ memory card that uses SIMMS. Seems 
like a waste of money for a sysboard with nowhere to plug 'em in.
                                                -Lone Wolf
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Help (getting files)
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:31:44 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

You might consider getting Foresberg's sz and rz for UNIX source code
and putting it on your UNIX system.  This'll give you Zmodem, which is
infinitely (well, almost) faster than kermit, and YModem and Xmodem as well.
-- 
Phasers locked on target, Captain.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.super
From: bourne-linda@CS.YALE.EDU (Linda Bourne)
Subject: Alan J. Perlis Symposium
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:13:47 GMT

ALAN J. PERLIS SYMPOSIUM:  Parallel Computers of the Future

Sponsored by the Department of Computer Science, Yale University

April 23, 1992

Sheffield-Sterling-Strathcona Hall
Room 114
Corner Grove and Prospect Streets
New Haven, Connecticut


Morning Session (9:30-11:00)

	Opening Remarks
		Drew McDermott
		Chairman, Yale CS

	"Dataflow Architectures:  From Monsoon to *T"
		Arvind
		Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Afternoon Session (1:30-4:30)

	"PRAMs:  Theory, Physical Design, and Application"
		Wolfgang Paul
		University of Saarbrucken

	"Will Parallel Architectures Converge?"
		H.T. Kung
		Carnegie-Mellon University



Following the last talk a public reception will be held at the
Department of Computer Science, Arthur K. Watson Hall.

All talks are free and open to the public.

For further information please call (203) 432-1246.
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.super:651 alt.folklore.computers:6214
From: rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.super,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Cray 1?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 08:43:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

In article <gaylard.702113785@shannon> gaylard@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Andrew Gaylard) writes:
>In <1992Mar24.023910.5190@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@johnker.henr801@xerox.com (Marty Leisner x76704 siena) writes:
>>>Your apartment had better be on the first floor and have a rather
>>>solid foundation.  Those muthas are *heavy*.

Ahem. . .

As a CS major (or an intended one), I've wanted to buy a computer for a long
time.  The problem was that the things I could afford were not fast enough
for my programming needs.  I wanted a Mac IIfx  / 486 / NeXT.

I finally got the chance to buy a Plexus P60+.  This machine, for the
majority of you who have never heard of it, is a 68020 machine running
SYSV.  It has 24 serial ports, a full-size magtape drive, and two fujitsu
super eagle 545 MB hard drives.

It is also very heavy.

Have I mentioned yet that I live on the second floor of a non-elevator
apartment house?  Didn't think so. . .

After having taken the tape drive out (about 100 pounds), it took me and
four of my friends approximately 30 minutes to get it up the stairs.  There
were 17 of them. . . BTW, the stairs have since broken, and are now being
fixed.

The thing is a monster.  Weighs around 500-600 pounds, 5" high, 3" wide, 2"
deep.  It generates a fair amount of heat, especially since it's in my
bedroom, which is very small. . . It's basically a combination computer /
jet engine / heater...

But considering the fact that I paid $801 for it. . .

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.super,alt.folklore.computers
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Cray 1?
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:29:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.034106.6206@mercury.unt.edu> cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams) writes:
>In <s103nINNs5u@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>I finally got the chance to buy a Plexus P60+.  This machine, for the
>>majority of you who have never heard of it, is a 68020 machine running
>>SYSV.  It has 24 serial ports, a full-size magtape drive, and two fujitsu
>>super eagle 545 MB hard drives.
>>
>>It is also very heavy.
>
>So are two PDP 11/34a's, with two RL05s and an RK07, plus an RX211,
>various cabinet hardware, media, etc.
>
>>Have I mentioned yet that I live on the second floor of a non-elevator
>>apartment house?  Didn't think so. . .
>
>Hey, me too!
>
>>After having taken the tape drive out (about 100 pounds), it took me and
>>four of my friends approximately 30 minutes to get it up the stairs.  There
>>were 17 of them. . . BTW, the stairs have since broken, and are now being
>>fixed.
>>
>>The thing is a monster.  Weighs around 500-600 pounds, 5" high, 3" wide, 2"
>>deep.  It generates a fair amount of heat, especially since it's in my
>>bedroom, which is very small. . . It's basically a combination computer /
>>jet engine / heater...
>
>Yeah, all total, I think my computer would weigh something like that, 
>probably on the heavy side of 600. Three 5'x2'x3' cabinets (I DO hope
>you meant ' and not " on your measurements). Unfortunately, me and
>my dad couldn't get it up the stairs, so it's sitting in his garage
>in Fort Worth.
>
>>But considering the fact that I paid $801 for it. . .
>
>Heh. Mine was _FREE_. :-)
>
>>-- 

You didn't "negotiate" enough...  2 years ago we finally decided to get rid of
an old Vax 11/750.  We had kept it because of a few software packages that some
could not "do" without.  We advertised it for sale, and got one response for
$210 (210 bucks.)  When we called to accept (grudgingly) we were asked to make 
the check payable to .....  you got it.... we had to pay to have it hauled
away.  You might could have gotten a couple of hundred to cart yours away from
its prior owner if you had Iacocca on your side....   :^)

-- 
!Robert Hyatt                    Computer and Information Sciences   !
!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.super
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Cray 1?
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:16:23 GMT

In article <6683@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> liebgold@turing.seas.ucla.edu (Dan M. Liebgold) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.153046.11372@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:
>>In article <s103nINNs5u@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>>
>>>The thing is a monster.  Weighs around 500-600 pounds, 5" high, 3" wide, 2"
>>>deep.
>>
>>At 600 pounds with those dimensions, it would have a density of 20 pounds
>>per cubic inch. This seems a little on the high side.  :-)
>>
>
>don't you mean 20 pounds per cubic FOOT? Not quite as impressive, but still
>dense.
>
>--

Nah.  He was playing on the obvious typo of 5 inches by 3 inches by 2 inches,
when, in fact, the ' character and not the " character was called for to
indicate feet.  the 5"x3"x2" is way less than a cubic foot (30 cubic inches
to be precise)


-- 
!Robert Hyatt                    Computer and Information Sciences   !
!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.super
Subject: Re: New hitachi machine and claims
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:46:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr8.044636.24187
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Supposedly, Hitachi has got their hands on a process that sucks wind except for
the fact that it has a 0.3 micrometer effective channel length. Apparently,
they've used this to put two full scale microprocessors on a single chip. From
what I've heard, the whole idea behind the product and everything else, was to
invest large amounts into scaling channel length down quickly, and then market
the technology quickly into the technological gap it creates in the market place.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: comp.sys.super,alt.folklore.computers
From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: Cray 1?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:30:46 GMT

In article <s103nINNs5u@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>The thing is a monster.  Weighs around 500-600 pounds, 5" high, 3" wide, 2"
>deep.

At 600 pounds with those dimensions, it would have a density of 20 pounds
per cubic inch. This seems a little on the high side.  :-)


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