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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:00:52 GMT

Reply-to: Brian.Dial@p0.f1.n3607.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Dial)
Fido-To: hector mandel

-> A couple of weeks ago, the link at ucbvax started bouncing the FidoNe
-> messages back to me.  So I've been tinkering with the system I admini
-> here at uiuc in order to re-establish the link again and I think I ha
-> figured out.  So if you internet folks receive this (I hope the forma
-> worked!), you'll know that we're connected again.
->
-> I would also like to ask the readers on the FidoNet side to please po
-> name and phone number of the BBS from which they are posting.  I woul
-> to put together a list of all the BBSes which currently carry this me
-> base.  It's cloudy and rainy now in Illinois and soon it's going to b
-> cold (for a fair-weather jumper like me) to jump here so I'll have ti
-> catch up on all the stuff I didn't get done this summer.
->
-> --- msgedsq 2.1a
->  * Origin: A skydiver is taken by the gravity of his situation (1:233

Hector,
         I check in with this message base on
The Byte Swap   (BBS)
205-340-9060
Decatur, AL

                                       Brian Dial
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL FREESTYLE C
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:36:40 GMT

In article <138.45.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
  robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) writes:
>Interesting how your cameraman can barrel roll and keep the person in
>the viewer. I always thought that a barrel roll was a complete 360 along
>the vertical axis. How does he manage to hold his head in one position
>while his body turns 360 degrees. BOB!!!

No, wrong axis.  The axis of rotation is vertical only when a person is
standing upright.  A better way is to say that the rotation axis is along
the spine of the cameraman.  So there is not a whole lot of head motion
required to keep the freestylist centered, though of course the whole frame
spins.  (With the freestylist doing their thing against blue sky, it may
not be so obvious, but with any background in the frame it's quite clear
what is going on.)

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:55:02 -0500 
From: Gina Ly <gl0z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DZ REVIEWS (1) FL, (1) MD


Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:08:48 -0500 (EST)
To: esj@eng.ufl.edu
Subject: Fwd: DZ reviews: (1) FL, (1) MD
*** FORWARDED MESSAGE BEGIN ***
From: Vannevar Yu
Date: November 13, 1992
Subj: DZ reviews: (1) FL, (1) MD
----------
DROP ZONE: SKYDIVE CITY @ ZEPHYRHILLS, FL  813-783-9399

From my (student/newbie) perspective, Skydive City is probably
_the_ primo drop zone.  With the Freefall Express program, you
get either the Turbine Porter or Twin Otter for $15 to 13,500'.
If you get 15 tickets, you are entitled to mail in for a Frequent
Faller Club free jump ticket (something Yvonne at Manifest made
sure to point out).  And if you pre-pay for 14 jumps, you get
credited for 15 jumps!  Even on the slowest days when I was doing
AFF levels, Joey's Twin Bonanza was available for $15 to 13,500'.
During the off season (9/92), I've been on the Twin Bonanza, or the
Freefall Express Turbine Porter or Twin Otters; more Twin Otters
and a DC-3 are available during the regular season.  Also, the
Sunshine Factory has a store on the DZ.  Certified packers are always
available.  The FreeFlight skydiving school run by Frank Arenas is
located at the DZ (tandem, AFF).  Jump Crowd:  All ages, all skill
levels, international.  Jumpers from all over seem to converge at SDC:
a _friendly_, busy (but unhurried), well equipped (washing machines,
toilets, hot showers) DZ.  Bunker for dirt dives, RV hookups, camping,
snack bar, video room, etc.   Lotsa loads, I'LL BE BACK !!!

     Skydive City
     40247 Tucker Road, Zephyrhills FL  33539-1599
     813-783-9399

Reviewed by: Vannevar Yu  A-15196  (11/13/92)
-----
DROP ZONE: THE SKYDIVING CENTER OF GREATER WASHINGTON, DC  301-373-2669

St. Mary's is located about an hour south of the beltway (make that
six hours from New York City where I currently reside).  This clean DZ
is run by Cindy & Kevin (ed.), and has real _nice_ student gear.  They
have static line, tandem and AFF available.  Primary jumpship is a Cessna
206, at $4 plus $1 per 1000 feet per jump.  The hangar has sufficent room
for packing, and hot showers are available.  Soda and snack vending machines.
The current S & TA, George, was very helpful and definitely _safety
conscious_.  Seatbelt rules are enforced!  Jump Crowd: Young, regional.
     The Skydiving Center of Greater Washington, D.C.
     Airport Drive Box 316, California, MD  20619
     301-373-2669

Reviewed by: Vannevar Yu  A-15196  (11/13/92)

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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Choosing a Canopy
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <BxtM0A.KxD@vti.com>, mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) writes:
>Jim Beutel (beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
>: My weight is 160-165 and have made several jumps with a
>: 200 Raider (?) 7 cell main. Have 20 total freefalls and
>: am fairly aggressive in all other sports.
>: 
>: Have been considering the PD. 190
>
>I'm pretty conservative in canopy selections (i.e. I don't
>believe in over-wing loading your canopy to squeeze out that
>last drop of performance), but I believe that a PD 190 would
>probably be too big for you.

Whoa, wait a second.  I'm about the same weight, and I figure the 190 is 
perfect.  165 lbs plus 20 lbs for reserve & container = 185 lbs suspended
weight.  PD recommends a max of 1.0 wing loading.  If 190 is too big,
you *are* recommending over-loading the canopy.

I followed this up because I'll be getting a new canopy this spring, and
I was considering a PD 190.  I thought about a 170, but figured that would
be way-too overloaded.

-- 
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Choosing a Canopy
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:00:09 GMT

Jim Beutel (beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: My weight is 160-165 and have made several jumps with a
: 200 Raider (?) 7 cell main. Have 20 total freefalls and
: am fairly aggressive in all other sports.
: 
: Have been considering the PD. 190

I'm pretty conservative in canopy selections (i.e. I don't
believe in over-wing loading your canopy to squeeze out that
last drop of performance), but I believe that a PD 190 would
probably be too big for you.
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From: drf40@cd.amdahl.com (Daryl Fortney)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Just curious
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: drf40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA


	New skydiver wondering what weather conditions permit skydiving.
I am going back home (Lancaster, PA) tomorrow for t-day and am not sure if I
should bring my rig along with me (carry-on luggage ofcourse :)).  What 
conditions close down a DZ and what is acceptable, and what should I wear for
each condition?  A Parachute obviously...
	Should I wear the rig as I get onto the plane just to freak people,
or is that a bad idea?  I thought it might be interesting.  Maybe a good way
to break the tension on a long flight.  Maybe even a cute girl.

-- 
Daryl Fortney 
drf40@cd.amdahl.com
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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Just curious
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:10:09 GMT

Has everybody suddenly stopped posting or is it just our local system
out in the ozone again?

Skratch

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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Re: student radios
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:43:58 GMT

I just took the student class several months ago at 
Marana Skydiving Center at Avra Valley airport. The 
owners name is Tony. You might call for specifics.

The setup they use out there worked very well. They 
used a Motorola receiver (used, probably $125-150),
attached the altimeter to the top of the reciever, then
attached the reciever to the chest strap on the rig.

Radios were checked as part of the pin/rig check.

Worked great, "Jumper #1 left 180, Jumper #2 right 90, 
ready set flair, etc....." 

Interesting, I remember being scared to death, on my first
jump and now I need to go daily.....

Hope that helps.


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Motorola SPS ASIC            beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
1300 N. Alma School Rd       Computer Operations 
M/S CH290  AZ50              office:  (602) 821-4967
Chandler, Arizona 85224	     telefax: (602) 821-4963
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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: student radios
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:17:05 GMT
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture


In article <1992Nov17.125417.18137@cc.tut.fi>, jatu@ee.tut.fi (Tuukkanen Janne) writes:
|> We have had some problems with our student radios. Looks like those damn
|>radios just play top 20 when the ground radio man screams reserve commands
|>to the student :-) Our receivers are placed in a little pocket on the left arm
|>of students suits. Maybe that wire from radio to the little speaker inside
|>the helmet causes the problem? Or our ground radio has not enough watts (1W)?
|>We have searched for better receivers, but there is not such simple
|>radios available (nice Japanese scanner receiver costs about $700 each,
|>but we need only one channel...).
|> Your experiences with student radios? Helmet assembly would maybe help,
|>but what is the best place? Has anyone heard canopy entanglements to a
|>student radio?
|>-- 
|>                                                              Janne Tuukkanen
|>     VW-Beetle, parachute and mirrorshades, all I need!       jatu@cc.tut.fi

What frequency do these radios use?  If you have trouble with interference,
you may have a frequency too close to that of a nearby broadcast station.
(Or it may be too close to a small multiple of a broadcast frequency, that
can cause problems too.)

A single frequency receiver is quite simple, and there's no reason why it
should be expensive.  But they may not be particularly common, so you may
have to choose between cheap (and garbage) or good (and expensive simply
because not many are sold).

One possible problem: are you using a frequency that's shared with lots of
other activities?  If so, you may have to put up with that interference,
unless you can get a different frequency.  I've seen student radios around
here that used CB frequencies, but that became too unreliable and they
were switched to a business private radio frequency.  Those are still shared
with others, but it does reduce the problem somewhat.

1 Watt should be MORE than enough for this application.

Unless you insist on factory made equipment, one solution might be to find
an amateur radio group nearby and ask them for help.  They should understand
the problems and be able to give good advice on your specific situation, and
they might be interested in building appropriate receivers specifically for
your application.  (Such receivers would probably be both cheaper and higher
quality than factory stuff..)

	paul, A-13683, NI1D
From: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: RE: STUDENT RADIOS
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: robert.wilkins@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Wilkins) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

Say hello to Tony Frost for me. Say DB said hi - he will know what it
means. BOB!!
                                             
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: freestylists from tunnel
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.021917.9860@mercury.cair.du.edu>
  tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>The guy that took 2nd last year came into the competition with only 17 
>skydives, but with 145 hours of tunnel time. He noted that skydiving is 
>easier than tunnel flying because in the tunnel you have only 11 feet
>to work with, and so you have to be more disciplined. He slid all over 
>the sky, which I found to be rather amusing. And didn't he hurt himself
>landing this year? 

Actually, that was two years ago, Tim.  It was Joel Wade.  He placed quite
a bit lower last year, though I forget exactly what his standing was.
Maybe 6th?  (I can go check the video, if anyone really cares.  Come to
think of it, don't *you* have this video too, Tim?)  This year, he had over
400 hours of tunnel time and 200 jumps coming into the competition.  It's a
damned shame he hurt himself, since he probably could really have shown us
some good stuff.  It was a "hook turn" accident, though the problem wasn't
in misjudging the height, it was in not noticing someone else landing in a
different direction.  Basically it seems to have simply been bad judgement
in doing a hard hook in crowded landing conditions on a no-wind day in a
parking lot with obstacles and no streamers.  If ever there was a time to
be mellow about landing, that seems to have been it.  But he hooked it, and
plowed into Jamie Paul's canopy from the front.  Jamie said that his foot
kicked one of his cameras, which gives you an idea of the relative height.
Pendulumed into the ground and knocked himself cold.  He spent three days
in the hospital.  Word is that he'll be OK, though I don't know how badly
he was hurt.

Note that these folks with a few hundred jumps are not exactly raw
students.  At some smaller DZs they might even be called "experienced".
It's just that they have a lot fewer jumps than most international
competitors.  It might be that because they're so hot in freefall they
maybe have an overcasual attitude about canopy control, but it's not sheer
inexperience.

>A couple guys here went to the tunnel in Tennessee recently and had a tape
>made; it didn't really look all that fun..

Well, I guess there's only one way to find out.  A tunnel party in
Tennessee, anyone?

>Tim
>hehe they called him 'the wind tunnel rat' last year :-)

I heard the term "tunnel rat" applied as a generic noun to several people
at the competition.  It seems to have entered the vernacular.

Dan

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From: dialb@infonode.ingr.com (Brian C. Dial)
Subject: ignore this message
Summary: test message, ignore!
Keywords: test
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:05:52 GMT


does this work?
From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Get a Sabre!
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:39:51 GMT
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

Eric S. Johnson writes:

> She stalled her sabre once, it came out in a stall turn, lines twisted 
> from the risers up.... She couldn't raise her head to look up. Had to cutaway.

> I nearly cutaway from a sabre once when deliberatly stall turning it, for 
> the same reasons (line twists caused by the spin) 

Since I had to cutaway my Excalibur because of line twist (on
opening), I'm quite fearful of putting my canopy into anywhere close
to that kind of situation.  Quite a few people enjoy the radical stall
turns, but for me, it's no no.  I fly quite conservative up in the
air.  Only reason I spiral down is so that I can get away from crowd
and get wide air space for a good hard hookturn :-)

	Hiroto
From: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: freestylists from tunnel
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)

Some interesting facts of jumpers in world freestyle championship.  

A team from Japan, Kubota and Kawabata, who won the silver only have a
couple hundreds jumps.  (Kawabata became victim of dust devil - micro
tornado - and broke his leg before competition and alternate cameraman
jumped) Both are instructors in Indoor Skydiving Center in Osaka,
Japan, with 100 and 80 hours of body flight time.  Both came to US in
August to train for the meet, with Kubota just off student status and
Kawabata with NO skydiving experience at all.  Kawabata graduated AFF
course with only 4 jumps.  Some new generation skydivers.  They need a
little more practice with their canopy control though :-)

	Hiroto
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mmh2941@rigel.tamu.edu (Mary Haskett)
Subject: Re: International Freestyle Convention
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:43:00 GMT

In article <BELBOZ.92Nov13160505@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu>, belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt) writes...
>Hiroto writes:
>> You'll see them on ESPN next January, but I think it worth buying $25
>> video from SkyHi Visual Productions.
> 
>Any address or phone # for them yet? Rumor (DanB?) said  that it
>wouldn't be available til after January... any change in that status?

Sorry folks, the video will be available from World Freestyle Federation,
6120A Hwy 21 East, Bryan, Texas 77803 but not for a little while longer
yet - the T.V. people have all the video right now and ESPN has the rights
to the video and has asked that we not release it until after the show
airs. We will advertise in both Parachutist and Skydiving (and I will post)
when the tape is available. This is a chance the video will be released
before the show airs, if so I'll let you know!

Mary Haskett
World Freestyle Federation

> 
>Barry
> 
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> 
>Boring Disclaimer: The opinions contained herein do not necessarily
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  represent those of the FRC, SCS, RI or even CMU. 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: CRW Team Names
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:30:50 GMT

I thought it would be fun to see what kinds of names we could 
come up with for teams. They don't have to be CRW teams, I just
happened to be thinking of CRW when I wrote the subject line.

One terrific one currently in use:

White Men Can Wrap

One I'd like to use, but probably won't:

Reynolds' Wrap

One I came up with on my first CRW jump:

PsyCRWdelic

but some people get violent when you say 'crew'... and
I for one sure would hate to ruffle any feathers ;-)

another original that I like:

Uppers and Downers

particularly innapropriate for me to use, locally anyway..


so, add to the list, and we'll lick this winter crap. the
wittier the better of course.

Tops and Bottoms??
Gonads With the Wind?
hey! don't be stealin that one, i'm gonna use it!

Tim :-)


Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Subject: Re: World wide video standards
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:59:08 GMT

In article <BxtGnF.1tG@zoo.toronto.edu> mra@zoo.toronto.edu (Mark Austerberry) writes:
>
>CANADA DOES USE THE NTSC VIDEO FORMAT!
Well then they shouldn't. NTSC is a piece of outdated garbage. ;)

I apologize for being uneducated about Canada (like the rest of Americans).
For some reason I got the impression that Canada had a different video-system.
Don't ask me where I got that. Sorry about that.

( I just checked, and there is no appropriate newsgroup I could find (like
rec.tv.format or alt.tv.ntsc or something) where to set the follow-up
to, since this really doesn't belong into rec.skydiving...
So I'll set it to rec.video (closest thing).. )
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