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From: dcseward@athena.mit.edu (DeWitt C. Seward IV)
Subject: Re: Demons at night.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:06:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.172954.5072@panix.com> plee@panix.com (John PH Lee) writes:
>
>	I had a similar experience to what you people had.  One thing that
>is different, though is that it has happened in more than one place.  It 
>seems more like a psychological pheonmom, though.
>
>	The first time, I experienced "old hag" was my junior year of college.
>
>	<*stuff Deleted*>
>
>I don't have an handle on why it happened, but I know of two other
>people who had a similar experience.  In my case, it was not scary.  I was
>just a bit dazzled and just slept it off.  The strange visitor has not visited
>me for over a year now.  Does anybody have any theories?  I think it is 
>some kind of mineral dificency, because I don't even very well when I was
>living outside.  
>

	I have had this "demon in the night" experience, however it was
during the day.  I had been reading alt.folklore.ghost-stories and had
the advantage of learning of such things before I experienced one
myself.  
	I was living at college at the time, with two roommates.  Being
one prone to staying up late at night, I found it necessary to
incorporate several long naps during the week to catch up on sleep.
Anyway, one nap occured while one roommate was studying for a test.  In
the middle of this nap, I felt the pressure on my body as has been
described, but for me it felt as though the demon were trying to break
my neck.  I guess this was because of the awkward position of my body
when I was sleeping.  I heard strange voices I couldn't understand, but
when I tried to move, I found I was unable.  I could move my eyes,
though, and on looking around the room, I saw nothing.  It all seemed so
real, I even remember thinking, "I wish my roommate hadn't left the room
so I could question him".
	Well, he hadn't ever left the room.  I questioned him on this
matter, but he assured me he had been sitting on his bed the whole time.
People had even been coming in the room to talk to him during this
experience, as there was a test that evening he was studying for.  After
the experience I remember reading an article which said that a part of
the brain shuts off your body during REM sleep so you don't hurt
yourself by acting out your dreams.  I can only imagine that the
experience was a combination of dream and this effect, combined with
general sleep confusion.  I recognize that I am no expert, and post more
to relay the experience than to offer the why's and how's.  

-D.C.
From: dessy@egr.msu.edu (Electric Monk)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: ouija boards
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:53:41 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
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here is a story for you all. take it as you will. a few months ago a very close
friend of mine committed suicide.  i always believed that if you kill yourself
that there is no rest for you in an afterlife. i guess this belief comes from
e fact that i was raised catholic although i don't practice it.  anyway, one
night some friends suggested we contact him on the board.  usually i am dead
against anything to do with them, being the superstitious one that i am.
however i agreed. the others were all experienced board users. after trying to contact him a "spirit" finally came on.  we talked to him for a while and kept
asking if "TODD" was there. that was the guy who killed himself. he kept say-
ing "yes" and when we asked him to identify himself he gave us a name we
couldn't pronounce or didn't recognize. he was also a bad speller. i finally asked him if he had a name i would know him by-and he spelled out "TOD." needless to say i was freaked.  he also talked about his girlfriend, who was also my best 
friend, and how he regretted what he did.  he said he was in pain. the thing is
nobody knew this information about what he was saying but me. i never told
anyone in the room what was going on or even mentioned his girlfriend's
name.  what do you think?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:27:08 EST
From: <RJH139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Demons at night.
 <1993Jan18.162414.25572@shearson.com>


Here is a little personal experience of my own, (although not a scary one, but
was very interesting).  My dad grew up in the same house as his grandparents in
 an old community in Pittsburgh.  my great grandparents both died in this house
.  Months after their death, the toilet flushed for a week, radios turned on, a
nd rocking chairs rocked by themselves.  Our whole family was in the house one
night visiting, and we were talking about the events.  We decided that they jus
t wanted to let us know that they were still here with us.  My uncle laughed ou
t loud and did not believe a word of it.  At that moment, a door in the kitchen
 closed and locked itself.   Nothing has ever happened since that day that whol
e witnessed this event.
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: THE CAT
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:30:41 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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reynold@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Susan Reynold (w/out the s)") writes:

>I'm allergic to cats.  Perhaps a ghost cat would make a great pet for
>someone like me!  Or perhaps it would make me sneeze anyway?

Well, I dunno...  It's one thing to sneeze at a bodily cat, but I
wonder what would happen if you were to sneeze on a spiritual level?
Are ghosts susceptible to spirit-level germs?  May I suggest that
you carry a box of Spirit Kleenex with you wherever you go?

                    :)
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From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: The official charter for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:00:33 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

The charter of alt.folklore.ghost-stories is as follows: Alt.folklore.ghost-
stories is intended to provide a forum for discussion and posting of ghost
stories, both personal experiences and those which have been passed on from
others.  "Ghost stories" can include local retellings of the "Vanishing
Hitchhiker" legend, popular local ghost legends, personal experiences, stories
told to you in dark rooms on Halloween, classic ghost story plot and narrative
elements, and so forth.  The purpose of all this is to allow those interested
in ghost stories to discuss and enjoy them with one another.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: ashton@netcom.com (ashton)
Subject: Re: Ouija Boards
Reply-To: ashton@netcom.com
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu, Miskatonic U, Arkham, Mass
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:55:42 GMT

gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:

>I'm new to this particular group, so I have no idea if this topic has
>been broached before, but has anyone in here had bizarre experiences
>with those spooky hunks of cheap pressed wood?  They can make for
>great fun and weirdness, both scaring you silly and for strange
>laughs.
>          Any other experiences out there?
>                              Nik
Please do post your stories.

You really should post this original to alt.pagan. There are plenty of
dabblers (puffers .. new age air heads .. and other neters) who should
have good stories. (go ahead and cross post the orig., I won't scream.)
I know a group of people who 'played' with one. They received strong results
as long as females were involved (flame off). Mixed results with males
on the board or present (poorer results the more pigheaded the male).
No results at all with Ceremonial Magickians present (no matter what the
sex). They recieved a group of 'spirits' that seemed stuck in the house.
Different spirits would come throught stronger at specific locations. 
Several of them were young/children and were quite mischivious, causing
poltergeist activity if allowed.
A total of five spirits were contacted/questioned over a five month period.
Near the end of that time one woman was able to see/sence the presence of
one of the children at all times. She was not amused and had to move out.
Eventually the 'game' tired and the household has since broke up.
I have not followed up to see if any of them have tried since.

Love is the law, love under will. 
AShTON.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: lgraham@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Laurel K. Graham [MSAI])
Subject: Re: A strange occurance
Organization: University of Georgia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:19 GMT


Hi, again.  I just wanted to clairify a few things about what happened with
the kitten.  Firstly, these 'visions' had been happening all of my life.  I
like many teenagers I knew slept most of the day away.  I am willing to bet a
rather large sum of money that it was not sleep depravation.  Secondly, I 
could see the kitten in a great deal of detail, such as the stripes on
its fur.  I don't really remember what the kitten Laura fed looked like,
but I certainly remember the kitten which was running at me. :-)
One gentleman proposed to me that my mind was filling in detail.  I believe
it is highly probable for my mind to be part of the problem, but after
things like this happen to you several times, you begin to wonder. :-)

Thanks to everyone who sent me e-mail.  I REALLY appreciate it!
From: probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: An addition to a strange occurance
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:41:54 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu


   Floaters are clumps of dead retinal tissue floating around in the liquid
of the eye... I get them too but only see them well if there's a bright
light in front of my eyes... They look like dust or fibres, but never have
looked dark to me...
   No, these black shadows were different... (Though the small fly like
things probably were floaters.)

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: hobson@mpr.ca (Darryll Hobson)
Subject: Tales 'neath the candle light
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:18:45 GMT

This being my first post to this newsgroup...  actually my first post to the
newsnet...  cut me some slack if things don't go so smoothly...
 
One late Sunday night last summer, me and a small group of roomies decided it
would be entertaining to stay up til all hours of the morning and tell ghost
stories (I found the idea especially appealing since I had to go to work the
following day...  and nothing beats having to do hard-coding on 3 hours of 
sleep!)  
 
Anyhow...  we lit a few candles, loaded the CD player with a few choice 
selections (Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Grapes of Wraith, REM, Helmet
and Sonic Youth) and began the evening by ceremoniously reading choice 
passages from Matt Groening's "Work is Hell".

The stories started out pretty light...  unexplained sounds, spoon bending, 
predicting the future (really tame)...  as the stories wore on, they became
more bizarre...  I recalled a peculiar thing that happened when I was quite
young (maybe 9 or 10 years old).

  " There I was...  Lying in bed, trying to get to sleep.  As much as I 
wanted to sleep, I couldn't.  I must've been in bed for about 2 hours before
I decided to close my eyes and not open them until morning...  at least if I
couldn't sleep, it would look like I did.  (childhood mentality)  I closed my
eyes and lie there..  but instead of seeing the familiar blackness of my
closed eyelids, I could see everything in front of me, reduced to approx half
its normal size.  I thought it was just my 'visual memory' considering I'd 
just spent the last 2 hours staring at the same 4 walls.
   Keeping my eyes closed, I turned my head...  and my half-sized view of the
room moved accordingly...  I tried looking at specific objects and I could see
them perfectly...  half size.   I tried opening my eyes and closing them again,
but it was absolutely clear that I was 'seeing with my eyes closed'.  This 
kept up until I fell asleep.  The next night, it happened again...  I wanted 
to see if it was images of my memory, or actual sight; so I decided to watch
fish in my fishtank...  to my surprise, I was able to watch them swim about,
half sized, with my eyes closed...
   At the time, I was really amazed.  I thought I was some kinda super hero,
I decided to tell my parents.  That was the last time it worked...  it seemed
like after I told my parents, I couldn't do it anymore.  Ever since then, I
haven't experienced anything like it... "

Really WeIrD huh?

Gotta fly...





Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jgtsai@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jane G Tsai)
Subject: Re: Ouija Boards
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:16:10 GMT

In article <gj156879.727631066@cunews> gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>I'm new to this particular group, so I have no idea if this topic has
>been broached before, but has anyone in here had bizarre experiences
>with those spooky hunks of cheap pressed wood?  They can make for
>great fun and weirdness, both scaring you silly and for strange
>laughs.

I haven't actually had any experience with these things, but my sister
and her friends have. She told me that when one of her friends moved into
their new house, they found a ouija board in the attic. One day, someone
borrowed it and never returned it, and he found *another* in the house.
I'm not sure exactly what he did, but he tried getting rid of it a coupla
times and kept finding more in the house. 

I dunno... maybe they lied to me, maybe it's true. They group of them
asked the board how they'd die... so far, one has come true...

Spooky!

Jane
From: ghayden@mixer.ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory K. Hayden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: A Reply to "A Strange Occurance"
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:21:01 GMT
Followup-To: A Strange Occurance
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

OK, I've been reading this group for about two months, but haven't wanted 
to post.  However, I can't ignore this latest post.  I have had very simalar,
if more sinister, experiences.  

My family, on my mother's side has a history of 'second sight'.  Now, you can
take that for what it's worth.  It's either nice little piece of folklore that
has sprung up sometime in our family's past, or it is a quite disturbing truth.
Either way, my Mother told me when I was very young, and added that if I ever
saw something that I didn't understand, orfelt that I NEEDED to do something,
to act on the vision or feeling as if it was the Gospel truth.  

I never thought much about it untill last year.  During that time I had a series
of three 'premonitions', one of wich was a 'vision'.  I was on Christmas Break
and had gone to visit my friend Art and his girlfriend Andrea in Conn.  We
were to go ski in Vermont (a pretty short drive from Conn.)  Andrea had to work,
so Art and I decided to pick up another friend and go by ourselves.  After picking
up Amy, the drive became boring.  It was dark, so I sort of zoned in the back seat.
As I was watching the dark countey road go by, my vision started to blurr.  Not 
like when your eyes are just roadsore, but more like a sheet of water had just
rippled down in front of my eyes (like a car-wash).  It got clearer, and as I 
watched, a figure stepped from the left side of the road an walked in front of the
car.  The strange thing was that the figure looked FLAT.  Looking back now, it 
looked like a shadow cast on a screen, like there was a bright light on this
person, but I was only seeing a projection of his shadow.  My vision then suddenly
cleared, and I warned Art, "Slow down.  Someone is going to walk out from the left
side of the road."  Art slowed down, and wouldn't you know it... nothing.

Now, here's the kicker.  Five minutes after we got to the cabin, Andrea showed up.
She had gotten the next few days off and had wanted to suprise us.  The first
words out of her mouth when she got in the door were, "F**king crazy people!!"
She told us that she had almost hit someone on the way up.  "Where," we asked.
She described the spot where I had my 'vision'.  "Which side of the road did he 
walk out from," I asked.  "The left side," she said.  Now that spooked me.  

I still don't know how to explain it, but it's happening more frequlently.  
So far, a grand total of six times.  They've all been right, and all have helped
to avoid large and small disasters.  You tell me if I'm acting out waking dreams
and instincts, or if I really have inherited a form of 'second sight'

                                                Be Seeing You,
                                                    Greg (IDIC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius Malixi)
Subject: Ouija Boards
Keywords: ouija
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:09:26 GMT

 

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Demons at night.
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:46:53 GMT

In article 5072@panix.com, plee@panix.com (John PH Lee) writes:
> 	I had a similar experience to what you people had.  One thing that
> is different, though is that it has happened in more than one place.  It 
> seems more like a psychological pheonmom, though.
> 
> 	The first time, I experienced "old hag" was my junior year of college.
> I was tired of communtting from home, so I moved out to a place closer to 
> Cooper.  After living in that apartment for about half an year, I experienced
> my first "old hag."  I was sleeping and all of a sudden, I felt an this
> weight on top of me at the same time I could feel the bed underneath me.  
> The strange thing is, I don't feel like I was in my body, a dream state
> in a sense.  My whole body was paralyzed.  I couldn't even open my eyes.
> I struggled for a while and fell back to sleepy.  
> 
 
> John
> -- 
> plee@panix.com			        
> <looking for a good sig>
that used to happen to me alot. you woke up before your body did.
when u sleep everything slows down. ever wake up and your arm is still asleep?
and no matter what u do you cant move it until it gets the signal to wake up.
well it happens to the whole body as well. freaked me out until i found out 
what was happening.
i do have to say that generally i am able to open my eyes.



---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: faught@convex.com (Danny R. Faught)
Subject: Re: An addition to a strange occurance
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:30:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1jvuj2INNgi2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy) writes:
>
>   Floaters are clumps of dead retinal tissue floating around in the liquid
>of the eye... I get them too but only see them well if there's a bright
>light in front of my eyes... They look like dust or fibres, but never have
>looked dark to me...

Some people have described floaters as being related to problems with your
vision, but I have had them for as long as I can remember.  I can see
them when when I squint or look at a white wall; they look like multiple
layers of jagged but rigid lines floating in all directions.  I guess
they're only a problem when you see them all the time.
-- 
Danny Faught, Convex rookie, MPP project  (and happy to be here)
"Everything is deeply intertwingled." - Ted Nelson
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Ouija Boards
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:26 GMT

I'm new to this particular group, so I have no idea if this topic has
been broached before, but has anyone in here had bizarre experiences
with those spooky hunks of cheap pressed wood?  They can make for
great fun and weirdness, both scaring you silly and for strange
laughs.

My own experiences are long and strange (too long to describe, unless
someone pushes me into doing it) but involved demons, trees, wizards,
dryads, lying spirits, etc.

At least that's what they SEEMED to be.  That's what they SAID they
were, if/when they did say it.

My opinions on the matter:  maybe it's real, maybe it's not, I don't
know.  It can really be proved so never mind.

I heard one person (professional occultist???) on some tv show say
that using a ouija board is like opening all the doors and windows in
your house and waiting to see who shows up.

          Any other experiences out there?
                              Nik

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius Malixi)
Subject: ouija boards
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
 
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:27:46 GMT
From: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Philadelphia experiment {was Roswell}
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:44:53 GMT
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
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Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

In article <C17p2n.2ID@amd.com>, billp@mozart.amd.com (Bill Peterson) says:

>        2) An experiment involving people has gone wrong. Similar to the
>           Philadelphia thing.

I am  interested in finding out a bit more about the Philadelphia experiment, I didn't know which group to post to, 
and since you mentioned it here, I thought I'd give it a go here.

Apart from the intention of the military to create a radar blanking system. I know nothing about the
experiments or their outcomes.

Does anyone feel like shedding some light on this one?

cheers
Peter T.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Quantum future Physics etc?? Please HELP??!!
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:01:17 GMT

Hello??

	I was told that I might be able to find some people here who under
stand and have workin knowledge some really off the wall physics that look like
its headed intoquatum physics and maybe some chemestry and engineering too. I 
reallyneed some help or rather my club needs some help with a project
	Anyone is welcome to answer I will send the file in my account on what
we have come up with so far, Any Help Would Be Greatly Appreciated.
	You may send mail to either Asljl@acad2.alaska.edu.

Thankyou for your time
			Lynn