From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Immigration  (was Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:43:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <dogar.716486596@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>v5086u6r@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Naveed S Memon) writes:
>
>>Naveed Bhai, you went to a Guns N Roses concert and you were actually expecting
>>social "correctness"? :)  Actually I have hated this group eversince I read the
>>following lyrics in their debut album, btw I have gone through these lines 
>>before on s.c.p, and alt.rocknroll, they lines were
>
>>"you faggots and foreigners, you come to this country and spread the f'ing
>>disease?".  These lines appeared in the Rollong Stones in 87 when GnR hit the
>>13 year old ninja-turtles for the first time. Axl Rose at that time defended
>>his sentiments towards "Pakis and Iranians working at 7-11s", these days I have
>>heard that he says that he was too young at the time. Earlier this year, the
>>ex-homophobe headlined the Freddy Mercury tribute/charity concert at Wembley.
>>For me, political correctness of a band is important although a dear friend,
>>who read the Axl interview after I mailed it to him, asked me to listen to 
>>the music and stop thinking too much, but I always wonder if you can separate
>>the artist from his ideas. If you want to check out the GnR song in question, it
>>is called "One in a million". Actually GnR fans[the whites mainly, have yet to
>>see a black man wearing a GnR Tshirt] give me the creeps :) but ofcourse I 
>>cannot picture you with a tattoed serpent on your chubby arm saying VLSI sucks!
>>:)
>
>Driving in to work this morning, I was listening to Morrissey singing about
>being "...the last truly Brittish people the world will ever know," and I
>thought of you Naveed (the younger). I've always been opposed to borders,
>but I have found myself sympathizing with some of your concerns about
>Sind and the potential loss of the "native" culture. Being more American 
>than Pakistani (but more Muslim than anything else :-)), I probably don't

Every couple of decades, the native culture goes through a transformation.
I was reading the Dawn and there was an article/book_review of a Sindhi
book, some guy who lived in pre-partition Hyderabad[sindh] and had written
about his strawberry fields :) The point of the book was the first time Sindh
changed for ever (and in my opinion for the worse) was 1947 when the migration
to India took place. Sindh was different from other places in the subcontinent
and the migration may have been influenced by what transpired on the Punjab
border. That was the change for my fathers' generation. My brothers grew up
in a multi-lingual non-racial environment Hyderabad in the 60s. Hyderabad
is not the same anymore. These are two examples of vanishing "cultures" with
a span of 45 years. I was also reading Newsline last week, and I came across
the work Jinnah-pur for the first time. That is the shape of things to come! 
Sindhis had to suffer the consequences of the slogan of Sindhudesh, I will have
such a ball when people will be asked to explain Jinnah-pur. In the words of
Bob Dylan "times they are a changin'".

>have the same respect for ancient European cultures. The United States
>world, so I tend to see those opposed to non-white U.S. immigration as
>simple bigots (I know ... nothing is ever that simple, but ....). My question
>to you and to Nadeem is about immigration in the ancient European countries.
>How do you view the potential loss of the native culture to an ancient
>culture? How do you feel about the high desi population of Sheffield
>(running joke is that you need to have a Pakistani passport to visit
>Sheffield and once you're in they won't let you out :-) ) or Southhall?
>
It is happening everywhere in the world, people mark their territory. Basic
animal instinct, with the only difference that pissing on trees is not
involved in this case. :)

>Personally, I remain opposed to borders.
>However, here's my hypocrisy:
>I listen to Morrissey, and I think, "aw gee isn't that sad, but hey... 
>things change, life goes on." However, I know that I wouldn't have
>such a cavalier attitude if it were the culture of the land of my
>father's fathers that was disappearing. (Sure, the way of life in
>Punjab could use a good kick in the butt, but I don't know if I could
>handle the complete loss as well as I expect the Europeans to handle it.)
>
>Anyway, just curious about other desi opinions regarding European immigration.
>
>-hd
>"London is dead."
>        -Morrissey


I have no opinion about white/US/European issues :). I know of one European
[my fiance is British] who will finally head "home" this winter :)That issue is
the only concern right now.  It is a moral obligation of Pakistani studs to
convert European ladies to desi maims :). HD, when you have a lot of money, 
buy a small piece of land in Upstate Punjab :) far from Mangla btw and I 
suggest that you buy a tracktor and taste the country feeling of 
good-old-lassi-on-charpai-while-the-
littlewoman-shouts-at-the-grocer routine. Every body has got to go home. In
the words of The Wings,

get back to the place you once belonged, your mommy's waiting for ye



Naveed
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