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From: cet1@cec2.wustl.edu (Chuck Turco)
Subject: Re: GRE Super Converter
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:28:22 GMT

In article <1ilbghINN4lc@uwm.edu> retzer@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>Has anyone purchased a GRE super-converter (it's supposed to convert 
>810-912 Mhz down to 410-512 Mhz). 

I have a BC100XLT w/ a GRE Superconverter, and a BC200XLT (native 800MHz).
Both scanners receive the 800MHz services with equal ability....
sometimes the 100XLT w/ the Superconverter will pull in weaker signals
better than the 200xlt..

The little box needs a nine volt battery, but it doesn't need replacing
very often (about 20-30 hours)... the little screws to open the
case are annoying, though.

Now, the BIG "problem" with the Superconverter:  When it's turned on,
you can only effectively tune 800MHz frequencies.  In other words,
if you are scanning any lower frequencies (140-170, 40-50MHz), they
will be *blocked out* when the superconverter is turned on.
Kind of a bummer when your Police are on 800MHz, and fire is
on 155MHz..  You don't need to remove the converter to scan low
frequencies, just flip it off..

-chuck



-- 
Chuck Turco
Washington University in St. Louis, School of Engineering
cet1@cec1.wustl.edu
From: sungho@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sungho Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Is there a scanner that scans like FM tuner?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:41:39 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

Does anyone know if there is a scanner that has scan function
similar to that of FM tuner?  What I want is automatic scanning of each
busy channel so that I don't have to keep pushing the scan button manually 
searching for an interesting channel.  

Thanks,
Sungho Kim
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: steven@netcom.com (Steven Nelson)
Subject: Police MCT Units
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:38:50 GMT


I have noticed that our local police department (San Jose PD) uses mobile
computer terminals in all of the patrol cars.  The terminals in the cars
are made by Motorola.  Has anybody been able to monitor the traffic  sent
to the terminals?   If so, how?  Please excuse me if this subject has been
asked before but I have just discovered this news group.

Thanks,

steven@netcom.com
From: fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Got a BC 70 and 560 XLT...  mods??
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:43:50 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I don't know if this is where I would post to ask this, but I cannot think of a
better group I get at my site, so here we go:

I have a pair of scanners that I have had a great amount of enjoyment from.  I
have heard that today's scanners can be modified to increase channel storage
and coverage.  These are my scanners:
BC 560 xlt : 16 channel base/mobile programmable
   29-54, 136-174, 406-512 coverage
BC 70 xlt : 20 channel handheld programmable with search
   29-54, 137-174, 406-512 coverage

odd that the only difference in coverage is 1mhz in the midrange....

anyway, I've got a "golden screwdriver" over here, and am competant to handle
surface-mount tech, so anyone knowing anything that can help me, please reply
at my e-mail address.  THANKS!  in%"FISHER2557@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU"

later,
 Nathan

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: rfweber@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert F. Weber)
Subject: Mods to a BC855XLT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:02:28 GMT


Doesn't anyone out there know to modify a BC855XLT to store more than
its normal 50 channels and to cover the cellular frequencies???
Maybe the guy that posted late in '92 that he has a BC855XLT that is
modified to store 100 channels and receive cellular freqs would
respond with how he did it.
From: gregs@hotcity.COM (Greg Stramback)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Police MCT Units
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:16:46 PST
Organization: BBS


i used to have the frequency, but i lost it (no reason to monitor when you
don't have the equipment to decode it.  it's 800MHz)  anyway, i do know people
(2) that do monitor it, through their own specialized equipment, but i have
heard that it can be done using a Pakk-ratt pk232 node converter, though don't
quote me on this, since it's only something i heard about...

greg
From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Fast Food Frequencies
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:07:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



bbs.maddox@tsoft.net (Otto Maddox) writes:

>Anyone know some possible frequencies for the Jack in the Box and 
>McDonald's around here? (Mountain View, Ca.)

>Ah, just send me whatever you have and I'll check 'em out.

>Otto Maddox 
>[ bbs.maddox@tsoft.net ] [ maddox@west.darkside.com ]

Try 154.6, 154.57 MHz

Peter


Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"  --D. Hopper|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org (Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:17:35 GMT
Organization: Radio Amateur k5qwb

gregs@hotcity.COM (Greg Stramback) writes:

> that's what i can't remember, whether the radios in trunking systems are true
> full duplex (for the data channel, so they still monitor it while transmittin
> or not.  wait, now i remember.  when an emergency button is pressed, the site
> controller finds the lowest priority user, gives them a warning signal, like 
> audible beep, WHILE they are transmitting, and then drops them from the syste
>  the channel is then free for the unit that requested it for the emergency.

The BASE radios ARE full-duplex. Most of the mobiles are NOT. There is 
no way to tell a half-duplex mobile to stop transmitting.

The 'emergency button' DOES cause that radio to send a signal on the 
control channel (mobile side). This would alert the dispatcher quickly. 
Whether that causes a channel to be seized is apparently programmable. 


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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing QRM story
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:57:53 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:

> In article <C0AqLB.DAK@wang.com> dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) writes:
> >walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
> >
> >>Cops in Lancaster, PA got to listen to jingle bells
> >>this Christmas season.  At first, they were amused
> >>as it only was heard on the output of their repeater
> >>when a weaker station was coming in, but it did not
> >>go away.  The FCC quickly tracked it to the home of
> >>a little old lady who had a musical Christmas
> >>ornament that had malfunctioned in a most bizarre
> >>way, and she lives only two blocks from the police
> >>department repeater.  The FCC confiscated the
> >>device, and told her that they would either fix it
> >>or would pay her for it.
> >
> >>Any other good QRM stories out there?
> >
> >What a great UL.
> 
> Ahhh, but a True UL (if you believe the liberal elitist
> media). This story was reported by the AP. I trust their
> fact-checkers better than the Net fact-checkers!
> 
> >-- 
> >Dave Bushong, Wang Laboratories, Inc.   Amateur Radio Callsign KZ1O
> >Project Leader, OCR products            kz1o@n0ary.#noca.ca.na
> >Internet: dbushong@wang.com
> 
> 
> ----
> Mark Bergman    (Biker, Stagehand, (former) Unix user support grunt)
> 718-855-9148
> 
> bergman@panix.com
> {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman


If it's AP, then take a pinch of salt.  AP has passed on tall tales 
before without really checking.  "Human Interest" stories are sometimes 
passed on by AP stringers without being checked to carefully.  AP is 
better about this then they used to be, but just cause it's from the Ap 
doesn't mean it is neccasarilly true./s

--
popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: dyke@oxford.DAB.GE.COM (Erick Dyke)
Subject: Are recent BC200s different?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:21:00 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems

I am trying to restore cellular to a BC200 that I purchased
from 1-800-USA-SCAN last week without much luck.  I am using the
mod that was on kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov that describes cutting
a leadless resistor (10k) right above the UC-1147 chip.

Well all I can find is a UC-1147a chip, and not a Brown-Black-Orange
resistor anywhere near "above the letters "DEN" on the IC".

Has there been a change?  If so is there a mod for the new unit?
Or am I missing something really silly?

Thanks much, email or posting is fine.  If I only get email responses,
and there is a change, I'll update the mod and post it.  (Got to share
you know :-)

Thanks again
-- 
-------
Erick S. Dyke -- GE Simulation & Control Systems -- Daytona Beach, FL
EMail : dyke@sunny.dab.ge.com
"GE Aerospace -- We make the BEST video games in the world"
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: deleon@adobe.com (Michael de Leon)
Subject: AOR AR1000XLT ?'s
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:02:45 GMT

I have a couple of questions on the AR1000XLT.
First off, I am trying to make a decision between the AR1000 and
the ICOM IC-R1. From speaking to a few dealers (even those who
sell the IC-R1) I get the impression the IC-R1 is not that great a radio.
I don't know that much about the AR1000XLT but it seems comperable to
the ICOM in features and is somewhat cheaper.
So... Can anyone fill me in on the AR1000XLT? How does it compare
to other scanners? I know it has the Shortwave band but can it
really be used as a decent Shortwave receiver? Should I sell my
Sony 7600? 
Also, I think ACE has the best price. Does anyone have their telephone
number?

Thanks in advance!!
Michael de Leon
deleon@adobe.com
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Oops...Pilot error
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:53:20 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sorry for the multiple posts...   8-)

Peter Laws              |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: intermod, overload, desense?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:09:00 GMT

coulson@rwcvax.enet.dec.com (Roger Coulson) writes:
: 
: I experienced the same problem with a discone attached to the PRO-2006.  I 
: connected a spectrum analyzer and saw the problem very quickly.  The strongest
: signals were from FM stations which run vertical as well as horizontal 
: polarization.  I installed an FM trap made for 75 ohm TV leading and it solved 
: the probelm; it supressed the whole FM band by about 30 DB.  They are available
: at Radio Shack also.

Do the traps available at rat shack have the proper connectors installed?

Bill
:
From: Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: BC950 vs BC750
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:16:58 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

I just received literature (actually, just some photocopied pages) from
AIE on their tone-decoding stuff.  They offer one product that is
apparently for tone squelch use (ie: open squelch only when the proper
tone is received), which is $100 and must be programmed by them.

The other products (which I first saw in the ARRL Repeater Directory,
and most recently in PopComm) are tone decoders to display PL/DPL
tones.  The most promising (and most expensive) is the 
TCF-5MRTC, which decodes and displays (via 16 char LCD) PL/DPL/DTMF,
has an RS-232 port for dumping finds to a printer or computer, and
has fairly in-depth logging info, giving the tone or code, time, date,
and duration of transmission.  Price for this one is $439.95, and
the units are apparently available as stand alone ("in this form
the finder is equipped with a DC power input jack, a tone/code input jack,
and a squelch gate input jack.  Additionally a power on/off switch is
installed.  Feet are added to the bottom of the unit to prevent marring
of cabinet surfaces.", 760/950 Saddle Mount (comes with instructions
to wire into a BC-950 or BC-760 scanner, cabinet looks the same as the
Uniden), and lastly a Pro-Series Plug and Socket Interconnect ("a
cable 24" long with a plug and socket is the arrangement used to connect
to the Pro series receivers.  All instructions are provided in this 
manual to facilitate a quick, easy hook up to your Pro.").

Address for this folks is:

P.O. Box 70
Batesburg, SC  29006
Ph: (803) 532-9256     Fax: (803) 532-9258

AIE Corporation

Note:  I don't know anything about this company except I like
their product and wish I could afford it.  :-)

-ks

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From: mzank@shell.portal.com (matthew c zank)
Subject: Re: - - - Freq. of Realistic FM Cordless Room Monitor (help request) - - -
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:03:50 GMT

tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield) writes:

>In article <1hn04uINN6oa@shelley.u.washington.edu> neutron@stein.u.washington.edu (   ) writes:
>>
>>	I have one of these REALISTIC (Radio Shack) Cordless Room Monitors,
>>	and I would like to use my scanner as an additional monitor. The 
>>	monitor can be switched to 2 different frequencies. Can anybody help 
>>	me with these 2 frequencies? I opened it, and found two crystals (?)
>>	with the numbers 16.630 and 16.620, but these numbers did not
>>	work in my scanner.

>The device more than likely uses a x3 multiplier to achieve the transmission
>frequency.  (If you looked in the receiver, you would probably find two
>crystals of entirely different frequencies because of an even different
>method of achieving demodulation)

>The two freqs are 49.89 and 49.86.

>>
>>	Does anybody know where can I get a list of frequencies for the
>>	SEATTLE area.  I used to have a fairly good one which I obtained
>>	from a local BBS called Scanner News, but it is becoming a little
>>	outdated.

>As far as the original cordless/monitor freqs go, there are ten channels
>each between 46.00-47.00 and 49.00-50.00 mhz.  I don't remember them off
>hand.  There is also a whole new set of freqs above 900mhz.  I'd say
>to set your scanner on search between 900-932 mhz.  The band has 
>primary (GOV) and secondary (Amateur radio) users and thus that places
>the unlicensed devices as low priority users.... and what with new
>technology and all, a lot of the consumer devices may be using
>spead spectrum technology to limit interference from the primary and
>secondary users.

There is also those things that radio shack sells, it rebrodcasts
video at 900 Mhz
--
Matthew Zank * Eau Claire, Wisconsin
------------------------------------
mzank@shell.portal.com
mzank@nyx.cs.du.edu    MZANK@MCIMAIL.COM
From: Chuck.Scott@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Chuck Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: ANYONE HAVE ICOM 7100,700
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 22:20:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

I am interested in a Scanner/Reciever base model. I saw the new brochure
on the ICOM 7100 it looks interesting. With the TV option, FM stereo
ect. Does anyone have one? I would like to purchase a base in the next
month or so. Been looking at the PRO-2006 and it is a great scanner and
quite a bit cheaper than the ICOMs. I just bought the PRO-43 and it is a
great scanner but I want something I can hook up to my computer when at
home. The interface for the PRO-2006 that Bill Cheek is offering looks
like a great deal. Is there a software program for the ICOMs?
Thanks ahead of time

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Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: karayan@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george)
Subject: Image rejection problems
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:56:13 GMT

A couple of months ago I bought a PRO-37 handheld scanner.  Lately
I have noticed some image problems and I'm wondering if that's typical
of the PRO-37 or other scanners, and what to do about it.

In particular, I was searching for active freqs in  the air band
(108-136 MHz).  The planes were coming in with armchair copy, but on
certain channels I would pick up weird things.  On one I heard hams
talking on a repeater!  On another, still inside the air band, I
heard fire calls!!!!!!!  I thought the thing went crazy until I 
realized I was picking up images!  Here are some questions:

1) The Radio Shack instructions say that images appear
21.4 (=2x10.7) MHz ABOVE the actual transmitter.  Yet, if I add 21.4
to the freq where I heard hams 126.xxx + 21.4 = 146.yyy, it falls into
ham freqs.  I heard fire calls on 134.xxx and sure enough 134+21.4 falls
into police/fire freqs!  So I pickup the image 21.4 MHz BELOW the
actual transmitter.  What's going on?

2) What baffles me more is that the hams and the fire signals are FM,
but I was parked on air band freqs where the scanner is programmed to
receive AM!  Wouldn't an envelope detector get silence out of an FM
signal?

3)  The image problems don't seem to appear everywhere.  When I try to
pick up an image from the weather channel, 21.4 MHz below it, I do
not hear a thing.  Am I missing something?

3)  Does this situation mean that I will never be able to search for
new channels without being bothered by images?  Or is my scanner
broken?  Should I return it for fixing?  It really bothers me that
I shelled out $240 for a receiver with such poor image rejection.

Any help/pointers would be appreciated.

___________________________________________________________________
George Karayannopoulos              N2OWO
karayan@cc.bellcore.com             Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's.
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:39:26 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

On 5 Jan 1993 18:10:20 GMT you said:
>In article <1993Jan5.124700.29874@ms.uky.edu> hgpeach@ms.uky.edu (Harold Peach)
>
>This discussion seems to be going in circles.  For a trunked radio to

I thought that was usenet's *function*...

>be reprogrammed, disabled, or otherwise altered by commands being sent
>via the control channel, it must first be able to receive those commands.
>If the radio is not full-duplex and is in the transmit mode, it cannot receive
>anything until it stops transmitting.  Once it stops transmitting (either
>by a PTT button being released or a time-out feature), the controller
>can do whatever it wants to the radio.

Of course, but can't the controller tell the repeater that the radio
(the one tx.ing) is on to just drop it?  It doesn't neccesarily have to
tell the *radio* anything.  Just drop the repeater.  No?





x

Peter Laws              |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: gkd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory K Doerschler)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:10:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: The Control channel

In article <1993Jan5.124700.29874@ms.uky.edu> hgpeach@ms.uky.edu (Harold Peach) writes:
>
>From a practicle standpoint you are correct, but in the trunked system
>I know of, any mobile unit can be disabled from the control channel.
>Therefore, you could theoretically turn off the transmitter on any
>radio via the data channel.  One of the big advantages to trunking is
>that the transmitter and receiver can be programmed out of a system if
>they are stolen, etc.

This discussion seems to be going in circles.  For a trunked radio to
be reprogrammed, disabled, or otherwise altered by commands being sent
via the control channel, it must first be able to receive those commands.
If the radio is not full-duplex and is in the transmit mode, it cannot receive
anything until it stops transmitting.  Once it stops transmitting (either
by a PTT button being released or a time-out feature), the controller
can do whatever it wants to the radio.

I don't know the specifics of how each manufacturer's system handles 
this problem, but I guarantee it's not done by magic.

                                            Greg
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: The New Bearcat 2500XLT-D (and 8500XLT-D)
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:02:27 GMT

schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.020732.7279%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know if these units can be modified to be
>>continuous through the 800Mhz band?

>Yes, I'm sure someone knows.
>The engineers certainly do. 
>Since they're the only people to have SEEN the scanners yet, you'd get
>more information by picking up the phone and calling Uniden.

Well, let me re-phrase that.  Did the anti-scanner law banning the 
design of new easily-modifyable scanners go into effect yet?  Or is
it the end of 1993?

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: Sherrod.Munday@launchpad.unc.edu (Sherrod Munday)
Subject: Re: Rat Shack signal amplifier...
Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:05:16 GMT

>From: cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>Subject: Rat Shack signal amplifier...
>Date: 3 Jan 93 03:31:14 GMT
>Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services
>
>A little while back, some people mentioned a signal amplifier that they had
>purchased from Radio Shack.  I believe most of the comments were good, so
I was
>inquiring about more info.  I believe it was small unit, intended for
portable
>TVs, with two whip antennae.
>
>To the previous posters:
>
>Could you Email or repost the info?  I saw the unit, but it has a
>'microphone/headphone' type jack, and was wondering how you got the amp to
>properly connect to your scanner.  (all my scanners have BNC inputs).
 
Are you speaking of an audio amplifier or an RF signal amplifier?
I would imagine that an RF amp would have BNC or similar jacks
which would be easily connected to a scanner.
 
 
>
>Also, what freq range is amplified?  Is their any attenuation at the
>non-amplified freqs, or are they passed?  If possible, has anyone
compared this
>amp to other amps that are intended (advertised) for scanners?
 
Sherrod Munday  (Internet:  smunday@vtssi.vt.edu)
 
Disclaimer:  I said it, not my organization.  They don't pay me: 
I pay them dearly every semester.  Not like they would care about 
my opinions, anyway...  :-)

 

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