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From: lu@snips.tmc.edu (Xing-Qi Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How big is Zheng Haixia ?
Date: 14 Aug 1992 13:22:33 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: snips.dfci.harvard.edu

At 7:00 Am, Aug. 14, the launch for the Australia's communication satilite
was carried out successfully. It was broadcasted lively in China's national
TV network. Congradulations to the Chinese Scientists and Engineers ! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Friends: Shen Dai, Mao Zonghuan, and Lin Xuhong
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:48:15 GMT

Hi everyone,

If you happend to know or (even better) be one of the people I mention
in the following, please contact me. Thanks.

      SHEN, Dai4 (in France?)
      MAO, Zong1huan1 (in USA?)
      LIN, Xu4hong2 (in Canada?)

(to those mentioned above, guess who I am. :-)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23002 soc.culture.hongkong:9792
From: hbonney@io.Tymnet.COM (Hugh Bonney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: parents
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:57:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: hbonney@io


  This thread seems to assume that people in the US don't
  take care of one another - as though everyone in the US
  lived the stereotypes of Los Angeles. Well, my brother and
  I took care of our parents (though they didn't need money)
  and miss them very much. Our family in Massachusetts takes 
  care of each other too. In fact, when I was a child we
  would all go back to Mass. once a year and have a reunion,
  a dinner, and so on. My aunt has two sons living in the
  same neighborhood, and the families are always visiting
  and watching kids and so on.
  
  Next door to our house was a family who bought the old
  (1810-ish) house and made a family project out of remodeling
  it completely and landscaping it. By family project, I mean
  they did it all themselves over a period of time. Between the
  houses is a very small house that the wife's parents lived in.
  They had the best of both ways - they lived with the kids,
  but had their own lives too. When the grandfather died (at 90),
  the grandmother moved into the house with the family as the 
  little house held too many memories and she was alone there.

  It is true the grandparents were really nice. I remember
  talking to them. They could remember a different world.
  Isn't that a gift to the grand-kids? It must be that 
  grandparents from China could remember several different 
  worlds that kids growing up here can scarcely imagine. 
  I've never been a parent, but isn't that what parents are
  supposed to do? Give their children the world? 

  Of course, if the grandparents had been an over-demanding
  pain-in-the-behind, I suppose life would have been not
  too happy. Maybe the little house could have been moved
  away a hundred meters at a time until peace was achieved.
  Perhaps it would then have ended up in the next state, or
  even in geosynchronous orbit.  Who can say :-). 

  Anyway, I don't think these two families are unusual. You
  are free to try to combine whatever sets of values you 
  please.

  --415-961-6286---408-922-6198-work-------Hugh-Bonney-------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:16:49 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:

L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public you did not.

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: yizhang@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Yi Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help wanted from folks in Indianapolis
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:43:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


	A newcomer from China is going to arrive in Indianapolis on Aug 19.
He is going to attend Physics Dept at Indiana University. Please show your
hospitality if you can give him a hand. His name is Huang Zhi Guo. Flight
NW1192, arrival 9:45pm. He needs a ride to IU and some good advice to survive.
Thanks in advance.

		Yi	Zhang	
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23229 soc.culture.taiwan:12032 soc.culture.hongkong:9889 soc.culture.japan:6846
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Darkest Age of China
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:12:06 GMT

In article <14319@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <sHc-3g@engin.umich.edu> (14 Aug 92) Jian Chen writes,
>
>> In China, there are very few books talk about the sad part [Mongol invasion]
>> of Chinese history.  When I read this part of Chinese history in the Oriental
>> Library of Oxford University, I could not control my tear.
>
>    Nonsense.  In China there are tonnes of books where Mongol cruelty are
>well documented in bloody details.  You didn't read them, maybe because you
>spent too much time to read CG's bloody-title (Hong2 Tou2) documents :-).
>
>    There is even a movie, <<Genghis Khan>>, that shows how Mongol killed
>all men taller than the wheel, and how they threw war prisoners into boiling
One U.S. Marine told me that he witnessed one Southen Vietnamere pour boiling

water on a Northen Wietnamese for confession! He could not do it because
he signed a paper according to Geniva Convention on War prisoners.
>water, alive.  Through, in the movie it was Mongol killed Mongol, it tells
>you pretty much how they would treat non-Mongols.
>
>> Today, there are some netters attacks the nationalism.  But after you
>> learn the sad stories of our country, after you learn your brothers are
>> killed by foreign invaders, after you learn your sisters are raped by
>> foreign invaders, will you still attack the nationalism?
>
>    So what do you think, after learnt your grand-grandfathers were killed
>by Chinese Mongol and your grand-grandmothers were raped by Chinese Mongol?
>Go to Vietnam under the invincible banner of Deng Xiaoping, to kill Vietnam
>men and rape their women, after Zhou Enlai apologized to Vietnam people for
>China's war crime against Vietnam in Han Dynasty?
>
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:30:35 GMT

Bill Lambert wrote:
===============================
I guess this is important, because so many people expect something,
but I'm not sure that they even know what they expect, and have
those with expectations set a goal that will satisfy them?

Please remember, the Emperor as a symbol without power, can only
use his words. What are the good words he should say?

Please be frank.
===============================

Good question indeed. Be frank, I expect the Majority to say:

I, as a symbol of the Nation but without power, can say nothing except
what Japanese people and government approved. I, as a symbol of the Nation,
cann't apology under any presuure. However, as an individual Japanese, I
feel deep sorry for what Chinese suffered during 1931-1945 and thereafter.
As a son the my father, I apology to you for what his army did in Nanjing
and in China. As an individual Japanese, I swear that I'll devote myself
to a peaceful Asia in future.

Does it sound OK? Maybe you can make it weaker, but the spirit should be
there.
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:59:34 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug21.184253.9369@bnr.ca> xyang@bnr.ca writes:
>
>Being a Chinese (especially mainlanders) is hard, isn't?
>Our lives are full of tragedy plus the burden inherited from
>older generations. I notice that in soc.culture.hongkong the
>popular topics are pop song singers, movie stars, etc. while
>in scc are famines, cannibalism, blood cards... But that's our
>life! and the life of the nation so far if you look at our
>history! Being a Chinese means suffer and tragedy in some
>extend. I believe most of us want to change our life 
>to be a better, more enjoyable, 'light' pattern. Yeah, we like
>our life filled by loving songs and seeing tragedy only 
>in movies.

  What tragedy and burden inherited from older generations
to us? Should we believe our parents be obliged to have a paradise
for us? Why they should? I don't think any brave man always complains
how tragic for his poor family. Do most of Chinese still live
in the situation of "underwater or flaming(Shui3 shen1 huo3
re4)"? No. Why we Chinese shouldn't be happy and enjoy the
life? I just wonder if you guys cry and shout all-time in China
or in USA. If true, please shut up and take a good rest. Don't
make youself uneasy(gen1 zi4 ji3 guo4 bu1 qu4). Chinese
never belong to a sad nationality. BTW, as Chinese, we 
understand most of postings here, but non-Chinese readers
could get correct or precise conclusion on Chinese/China from
those?  

>Every progress or positive move in China today means overcome
>of heavy payment for the past. Personally I prefer positive
>attitude towards life. However, remembering what happened 
>yesterday will make us better as today even it may add load
>to our life.
   
    No free gift from God. All countries have to pay for what they gain.
We shouldn't forget past (good and bad), and we must be looking
forward to today and tomorrow! 

    BTW, it's good for health to read a light topic after you have no time 
to breathe for tracking those hard topics.

     Did anyone find there are more *political* postings in this group
than those in the soc.politics.china, where they should be?

    No flame. Hopefully no hit anybody.

cqu  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Hazard of smoking after sex
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.053316.11904@news.cs.brandeis.edu>  
xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.090807.7859@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul  
Smee) writes:
> >I picked this one up from Simon Hoggart's column in the Observer
> >yesterday.  He claims it made the news last week, though I missed it.
> >Good enough to pass on, though.
> >
> >A couple returning from Margate on the train made love twice in full
> >view of the other passengers.  They were only stopped, and subsequently
> >arrested, afterwards, when they had the temerity to light a cigarette
> >in a non-smoking compartment.
> >
> >-- 
> >Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
> > P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132

This is the perfect example of the difference between law and moral  
restriction.

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23528 soc.culture.japan:7086 soc.culture.taiwan:12193
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
From: liu10@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Liu)
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:10:02 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug19.193326.7263@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.131457.16975@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
>writes:
>> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>> >soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>> >	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.
>> 
>> >My question:
>> >	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>> >owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>> >than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>> >Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>> >had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>> >to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>> >I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>> >suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>> >need of an apology to Korea either.
>> 
>> Then let Japanese apology to Korea first.
>> Have they done it?
>
>
>Why should Japan apologize first? It makes no sense! Since China had also done
>terrible things to Korea in the past, Why should we wait after Japan's apology?
>
>It is really an interesting phenomenon. We want Japan's apology and in the  
>meantime reluctant to apologize to Korea. No wonder why Japan doesn't want to  
>apologize.
>
>Carl

 
I guess all this can be attributed to who is the victor in such aggressions.
Yes, China has invaded Korea in the past and have done many many war crimes.
But in those wars between China and Korea, China has never lost to Korea, or
at least that is what I learned from the Chinese history book.  See, Japan
is technically the loser from the WWII, and the loser is supposed to apologize
for it's war crimes, not the winners.  I am not saying this is right, but
that's just the matter of fact.  Do you think the U.S. will ever apologize
to Japan for the A-bombs or to Germany about Dresden bombing?  I don't think
so.
 
Also, I believe the regime that invaded Korea has nothing to do with the
regime that's governing china now.  If by your account, then mongolia has
to appologize to china for it's war crimes commited hundreds of years ago.
Those war crimes might be the most atrocious crimes of all time, but don't
you think it's kind of silly for them to apologize to China?  On the other
hand, the Japanese government in power right now is the direct descent of
the Japanese war government, therefore, they have a responsibility to
apologize.
 
Just thought I should throw in my 2 cents.  Flames welcomed!
-- 

Eric Liu
liu10@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (Hungkai Chao)
Subject: Re: Satellite to be launched by China       
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.184905.14419@chpc.utexas.edu>,
aoad345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
> 
> 
> Article: 1715 of sci.space.news
> SB NEWS @ AMSAT < KD2BD $SPC0817
> * SpaceNews 17-Aug-92 *
> 
> Bulletin ID: $SPC0817
> 
> 
>                               =========
>                               SpaceNews
>                               =========
> 
> 
>                         MONDAY AUGUST 17, 1992
> 
> 
> * THE FREJA SCIENTIFIC SATELLITE *
> ==================================
> The FREJA scientific satellite, designed and built by the Swedish Space
> Corporation is intended for research into the aurora.  It will be
> launched "piggyback" by a Long March 2C rocket from the Jiuquan
> Satellite Launch Center in China (41N, 100E) in the beginning of
> October 1992.  Launch is planned for October 5 at 0615-0800 UTC.
> FREJA is planned to enter an orbit with perigee at 605 km, apogee at
> 1748 km inclined at 63 degrees.  The argument of perigee is planned to
> be 262 degrees.  FREJA is a sun-pointing spinner (10 RPM) with a 2.2m
> diameter weighing 257 kg at launch and 215.5 kg in its final orbit.
> 
> The CZ-2C puts the Chinese FSW-1 main satellite and FREJA into a 203-317
> km parking orbit at a 63 degrees inclination.  FREJA's orbit must be
> raised to reach scientifically interesting regions and to keep the
> satellite from decaying.  A Thiokol STAR 13 A rocket motor fires at the
> southern apex of the parking orbit to give FREJA an apogee of 1748 km.
> As the apogee is reached approximately 50 minutes later, a Thiokol STAR
> 6B rocket motor fires to raise perigee to 605 km, high enough to keep
> the orbital attitudes unchanged for 1 to 2 years.

There is a very detailed description about Swedish FREJA satellite;
however, what is the main function of Chinese FSW-1 satellite?
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 14:47:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.180741.23878@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
>Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the

>compensation money. Just for your reference, the average cost of a 
                                                  ============
>funeral, including a coffin, tomb, music band, buried stuffs, etc.,
>in Taiwan may run up to NT. 1,000,000 which is about RMB 200,000,
               =========                              ============
>while the average cost in China may only run up to RMB 20,000.
>they are barely doing the same thing as Chinese.
>
>Yi-Chieh

  What do you mean ?  The average cost is around RMB 200,000 ? or
The cost could run up to RMB 200,000 ?  That's a lot of money, about
 US $35,000. Can AVERAGE dead Taiwaness afford such a lavish funeral?

   BTW, how much average Taiwaness spend on wedding?

Zhongbai You

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23430 soc.culture.hongkong:9963 soc.culture.japan:7003 soc.culture.taiwan:12129
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:55:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

andrew@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Jennings) writes:

>Some more difficult questions:

>1. Japan (despite current difficulties) has ammassed a large proportion of the
>   world's wealth. But it is still very passive in international affairs. Is it
>   going to stand back or contribute to world society?

Perhaps, but I doubt it for two main reasons: 

First, Japan isn't really a part of the world society (see my reply
to 2), below). 

Second, there is little or no contribution to Japanese society as a whole.
Instead, it's more like a set of interleaved feudal systems and while 
companies and other organizations take care of their own, they don't
concern themselves with anybody else. 

>2. This wealth has not created better conditions for the Japanese people. What
>   changes are needed in japanese society to ensure that this happens?

According to prevailing rhetoric, the world is divided into two
groups: Japanese and gaijins (foreigners). From what I observe,
Japanese concern themselves with Japanese; they don't relate to
gaijins. 

(If you doubt this, please read the discussion in fj.news-group over
making a new newsgroup where both Japanese and gaijins could post.)

>3. How can we overcome the relative isolation of Japanese society from the rest
>   of the world?

I don't think there is anything we can do. The change has to come
from within Japan. 

>We should be positive, and constructive.

And realistic.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.usa
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: GNP by purchasing power
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. 
              One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.165150.28988@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So) writes:
>
>>Over here where I live, Japs is not an abbreviation for Japanese.
>
>Just want to learn some language: who created the word ????(I dare not to use)
>British or American? And when?
>
>Thanks.
>
>>-- 
>>Edward So,  Computing Systems, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
>>IBM VNET: EDSO at WATSON       Internet: edso@watson.ibm.com


According to the OED , the earliest use is from the 1890-1893 timeframe
in the London newspapers. They give actual examples from 1893, but indicate
earlier use to 1890.

Charlie


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From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Friendship Club
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:31:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Aug19.153158.58261
Organization: Utah State University



               CHINESE FRIENDSHIP CLUB

                   From the Editor
           -------------------------------


Dear friends,

     We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
yet.

     Good luck to all of you, dear friends!



                                       Editor


     P.S.

     For application form please send inquiring by E-mail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Response to the open letter to the Emperor of Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:13:24 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug17102932@lark.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>I remember that after the atrocities committed by the Chinese government at
>Tinanman Square, Japan was the first to restore economic relations amid many
>protests from the Western world.

Is that a good thing?
>
>I suspect that many Chinese choose to keep the past atrocities of Japan alive
>so as to keep the world from focusing on the current atrocities being committed
>by the current Chinese government.

I don't think this is the case at all.  Just because the Chinese are being
oppressed by an undemocratic regime means that Japan is justified?  Most of
us who are out here to demand an apology from the Japanese government *oppose*
the Chinese communist government, I would say.

Besides, if the Japanese government wants to prove that it's on the same level
as the ruthless Chinese communist government, then go ahead and don't
apologize.
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:49:41 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <Aug.17.15.54.40.1992.515@terra.rutgers.edu> lixj@terra.rutgers.edu  
(Xiao-jian Li) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >Yes, it's unfair, but crying for apology won't solve any problem.
> 
> >Carl
> 
> OK, let's cry for apology and ask for material compensation. I don't
> think it is a good idea, but according to you, that we should also build
> up military muscle in case we face another invasion, or we want to
> *enter* another country, right?
> 
> xj

It's necessary to build a not-so-weak army to protect our country. Also, a  
strong economy is vital. Without a strong economy, we simply don't have enough  
power to build a strong army. I oppose invading other countries. 

Carl
From: shiping@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: WHERE'S PROTECTION BILL?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:01:57 GMT

HI, GUYS.  WHO CAN TELL ME THAT WHERE IS THE PROTECTION BILL?
IN THE SENATE OR IN THE WHITEE HOUSE?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china