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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Jays/Angels trade rumor - 3 for Abott
Organization: Pitzer College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:27:41 GMT

In article <1630.2b08e57e@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
>Subject: Re: Jays/Angels trade rumor - 3 for Abott
>Date: 17 Nov 92 12:28:46 PST
>In article <1992Nov17.172212.26142@nstn.ns.ca>, maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:
>> In today's Toronto Globe and Mail the rumor is that the Jays have
>> arrived at a trade with the Angels for Jim Abbott.   The Jays will
>> give up:
>>     Todd Stottlemeyer
>>     Randy Knorr
>>     Domingo Martinez

>  I wonder if the Angels are kinda hoping that Harvey gets the
>  draft-and-traded treatment so that $$$ are freed up for a 3- or 
>  4-yr Abbott deal ?
>
>  If not, maybe the "trade Abbott" rumors will come true.  I say this
>  because Mrs Autry stated last year that they will/are lose/losing
>  money and Finley, Langston and Harvey are have multi-yr $10M+ contracts.

Direct from Buck Rodgers on KMPC here in LA, the Marlins taking Harvey "
relieves any pressure we had to trade Abbott."  The deal they are talking, 
however, is for Yankee prospects, including Snow.  I think the Angels would 
view this deal more favorably than the one Toronto hypothesizes.

--Sparky

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From: gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN)
Subject: Re: Predictions '93
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.234509.5228@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>Hayes, Galarraga, and Clark are definitely *not* adequate, and neither is
>Benavides.  The "nothing" that the Giants have include Robby Thompson (one of
>the better offensive 2Bs in the league) and Willie McGee (a mediocre
>outfielder, but not a miserable one).  (This past season, Williams was the one
>who was more in the "nothing.")  Galarraga has been, for the past two seasons,
>the worst offensive 1B in the majors, period.  Benavides is likely to be one
>of the worst offensive SS', and Clark is way below average as well.  Hayes is
>the only one who has potential to be decent, and that potential is not very
>likely to happen.
>
I just think that after W Clark and Williams, the Giants don't have too 
much else.  Okay, I'll give you Thompson over what the Rockies have, but 
I'd rather have an outfield of J Clark, Cole, and Bichette over Mcgee, ?, 
and ?.  For offensive and defensive reasons.

>>Not next year, they really have no one.  But they do look stronger down
>>the road.
>
>I disagree.  Their offense already looks better than the Rockies, and their
>pitching staff is definitely better.  Of their offensive players, Jeff Conine,
>Bret Barberie, Monty Fariss, and possibly Gary Scott all have the potential
>to be better than average, particularly Barberie and Fariss.  Junior Felix
>and Steve Decker are less likely to be, but they are possible.  The only
>possible players on the Rockies that I see as having good chances of being
>above average offensively are Eric Wedge and Dante Bichette, and Bichette's
>chances aren't that good.
>

I don't see how you can say the Marlins offense looks better than the 
Rockies when half the players you mention have no major league experience
to base it on.  Plus the fact that Gary Scott has proved to be a washout
in Chicago, and Barberie certainly doesn't make up on offense what he 
lacks in defense.  And what about pitchers?  

The Rockies don't have much, but the Marlins have less.

It's obvious we disagree on who the better players are (or will be). I
guess we'll just have to wait 'till next year to find out who's right.

-Greg
(133 days until opening day)

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From: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH (WAS:Rockies will take (according to Denver Post)
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:10:19 GMT

In <BxvMnv.769@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> stcmille@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller) writes:

>First selected: some minor league Mets pitcher.  From an organization
>that can ill afford to lose it, too...

The Mets pitcher (Jose Martinez) was taken as the second pick by
Florida.  The first Colorado pick was an Atlanta pitcher (Dave Nied).

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Houston Protected List
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:51:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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In article <1992Nov19.001500.6616@tamsun.tamu.edu> krussell@stat.tamu.edu  
(Kathy Russell) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.200154.24107@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu  
writes:
> >	Anthony is a good looking prospect.  But even after his '92 season
[stuff deleted]
> >  To me he looks a lot like a left handed version of Pete Incaviglia.
> 
> I watched at least 120 Astros games last year and it was my
> observation that Eric Anthony is a FAR FAR better hitter in clutch
> situations than Pete Incaviglia.  As evidenced by the fact that
> Incaviglia had 44 RBI in 349 at bats last year while Anthony had 80
> RBI (including 2 grand slams) in 440 at bats.  Even though
> Incaviglia's batting average was higher (.266 versus .239), he never
> seemed to perform well in high pressure situations.

Let's check the 'clutch' stats (from STATS Player Profiles)
(RISP=Runners in scoring position, CL=CLose&Late,
NONO=None one/ none out)
    RISP:AB BB RBI   BA/OB/SLG     CL:AB BB   BA/OBA/SLG
Anthony 139 17  56  .266/.338/.403    89  7 .247/.299/.461
Inky     92 11  25  .196/.290/.293    65  7 .277/.347/.446
   NONO: AB BB    BA/OB/SLG
Anthony 107  8 .187/.243/.252
Inky     79  3 .266/.301/.443

Anthony did do better with runners on, 
he also did much worse in leadoff-like situations. 
The sample size seems a bit small though. Over the last 5 yrs:
    RISP:AB BB RBI   BA/OB/SLG     CL:AB BB   BA/OBA/SLG
Anthony 228 32  83  .224/.308/.360   164 18 .244/.317/.415
Inky    569 60 197  .225/.302/.381   370 29 .211/.269/.365
   NONO: AB BB   BA/OB/SLG
Anthony 214 22 .178/.257/.257
Inky    471 38 .236/.300/.459

>Kathy Russell
>Houston Astros World Champs 1993!!!!!!!!
Gee, I was kinda rootin' for the Brewers myself...

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:10:10 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1eep1vINNhcv@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

>One of lifes great mysteries...what DOES Fred Claire see in Kevin
>Gross????  During the year last year, Claire said Gross was
>the most valuable player on the pitching staff...and he didn't
>say that after the no-hitter.

Why, who would you pick?

>I agree with your comments 100%.  Kevin Gross has mostly been
>a number 4 starter AT BEST.  On the Dodgers two years ago, he
>was number 5, and lost his starting position to Orel Hershiser
>when he came back.  Gross is just a journeyman pitcher - - never
>a star and never will be IMHO.

I'm not a huge Kevin Gross fan or anything, but his numbers last year
were pretty good.  A 3.17 ERA, 2-1 K-BB ratio, and less hits than
innings pitched.  His numbers were similar to Candiotti's and better
than any other starter on the Dodgers except Astacio, but that's in a
fraction of a season.

>Maybe the Dodgers think he will turn around like Mike Morgan did.
>But Ron Perrinoski was really able to help Morgan from day one.
>Gross has shown nothing new and no improvement with the Dodgers
>over the past two years compared to his previous experience...

I'm not sure what you're looking for; his ERA has dropped since he came
to LA.  He's also 31 years old; 31 year old people don't improve.

>so maybe they don't want to admit they goofed when they signed
>him to a $6 million contract?  Someone should explain to Fred
>the concept of a sunk cost!

What's wrong with him?  Nothing that a healthy Darryl Strawberry
wouldn't cure.

>Otherwise, I also agree with your assessment...of course, the
>Dodgers HAD little to lose to begin with...but I was really
>surprised that Eric Young was taken first....he showed VERY
>LITTLE in August and September with the Dodgers.

>As for Hansell...he is considered one of their top pitching
>prospects...that is all I know about him.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (G Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox mailing list
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Could someone mail me any information on any Red Sox mailing lists in existence

Cheers 
Gwyn
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: French baseball terms
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:24:34 GMT


on dit, "le dinger".

"ooh la la, le balb tapa un dinger gigantesque!"

bob vesterman.
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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:32:35 GMT

In <1992Nov19.080417.29342@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
[...]

>Admiteddly the Marlins *do* have Harvey and Weiss.  At that, I'm not
>convinced that their team salary is as high as that of the Rockies.
>Besides, I'm looking for Harvey to be traded to the Braves.  The
>Braves need a closer, and the Braves have a *ton* of excess talent of
>the quality the expansion teams need...  It's a match made in heaven.
>Note that the Braves have an excess of outfielders, while the Marlins
>have practically zero talent in the OF right now (they drafted some
>cool infielders, though).

An expensive closer with arm problems and the Atlanta Braves -- a match
made in heaven.  He can have his pitcher hung in the Atlanta sports hall
of fame right next to Bruce Sutter...

Of course if they trade Otis Nixon for him, it would be a great trade.  If
they trade Justice for any closer, I will be very put out.
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: David Segui
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:02:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.184847.19227@news2.cis.umn.edu> thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
>In article <Bxqq0v.63G@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller) writes:
>>
>>David Segui is a no-nonsense player. He has the heart of a tiger!
>>Every team would be THAT much better with a player of David Segui's
>>determination and will power.
>>
>>Too bad the Tigers have donut eating first baseman whose only mindset is to see
>>what the featured flavor donut of the week is at Dunkin Donuts'.
>
>But the Tigers have Dan Gladden!  What more do they need?  

But the fools are letting him play! Dan does his best motivating from the
bench!

To answer David's question, might I suggest the following Twinkees in Tiger
uniforms for 1993:

David "The Project" West
Willie "The Prospect" Banks
Derek "The Lost Cause" Parks 
Jarvis "One WS Ring" Brown 

Tell you what I'm going to do. We'll give you these four for Mickey Tettleton.
Heck, Mickey only hit .238 last year. He's probably holding the Tiggers back.
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "I aint never seen the peanut before. Maybe 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Bugs just hired himself some new muscle. Don't
    Reynard and Tybert's   |  matter. Put him up against the wall with the
        Biggest Fan        |  rest."                _Mr Peanut in Chicago_
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: The first pick -- David Nied
Keywords: STUPID
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:00:59 GMT

In article <w!lq6yj@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>In article <jhopkins.177.722029634@cbacc.cba.uga.edu> jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins) writes:
>>
>>It is 2:30 pm in the Eastern time zone, and the Colorado Rockies just
>>took David Nied in the expansion draft from the Atlanta Braves.  What
>>this means is this:  JOHN SCHUERHOLTZ IS TOO FUCKING STUPID TO
>>LIVE!!!!
>>
>No, it means John Schuerholz is an astute gentleman who realizes that Ted 
>Turner would have had his ass if Deion Sanders had not been protected.  Now,
>you may redirect your diatribe at Turner, and I wouldn't mind a bit.  
>Schuerholz wanted to protect Nied.

Sanders, perhaps.  But Otis Nixon?
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Eck Wins MVP in Horrible Voting
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:48:14 GMT

In article <22NOV199220212782@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:
>
>	How productive can a Henderson be in only 375 AB?

Look, if your argument doesn't fit the numbers, change your argument.
Don't change the numbers!  (There is a special spot in hell reserved
for those who misquote baseball stats.)  Rickey Henderson had 396 AB
last year.  Furthermore, he had over 100 PA that didn't result in an
AB.  How productive can he be in (exactly) 500 PA?  As productive as
some of the guys who received votes with 600-700 PA.  His low AB
totals are *proof* of that.  Those non-AB PAs are mostly times he drew
walks.  And even you will admit that walks are valuable for leadoff
hitters.

>	I know Bordick did not have MVP numbers.  But he was the strongest
>glue in that infield that looked like it would have gone to pot early in
>the year.  Bordick stepping up there and hitting .300, playing every day
>when no-one expected him to, provides a bigger team contribution than the
>17 extra arbitrary runs that Rickey provided.

Seventeen runs are hardly arbitrary.  And I don't see why expectations
should enter into it.  We *expect* Rickey to be the best leadoff
hitter in the league, and he continues to come through.  If anything,
that is *more* impressive than some nobody who for a short time
becomes a maybe-somebody.

>I watched Rickey not play for the final 3 years of his Yankee tenure.
>He basically not played his way out of New York.  He has a long rep of
>not playing when he feels like it, and even if LaRussa will step up there
>and read what the management tells him to say about Rickey, doesn't mean
>I believe him.

Believe what you like.  I'm surprised he's playing at all, given his
age and the number of bases he steals.  They wear on you...  (I don't
see *you* throwing yourself face down in the dirt 300-500 times a
season.  Try it some summer, and *then* tell me that Rickey is a
whiner.)

-Valentine
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Mitchell for Charlton and other trades.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:04:02 GMT

>Why not Cotto? I beleive that given a full time spot in the Outfield that
>he would make an excellent lead off man. Good batting, great speed and
>(I'm pretty sure on this) his slugging percentage was pretty close if not
>better then Buhner (over rated)-not because he hits the ball out of the
>park, but because he hits the ball more often.
>
>Just a thought,
>
>
>al			ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu
>

Good thought. If he can keep his OBP up, he'd be a real good choice. Great
defense, stong arm. Good speed. Who knows with a fullseason, maybe he
could challenge for the steal title.

--Les
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Need Computer Game Recommendations
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:31:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.163125.3036
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Well, I just bought an IBM clone to use on my dissertation, so naturally
I need to buy some computer games now.  Any recommendations on football, 
basketball, baseball, or hockey games would be appreciated.  Please reply
via e-mail.

GT
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Down with Marge!!!
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:51:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov18.202635.1@csusb>, jimbo@csusb writes...
[complaint about losing Charlton in trade for Mitchell] 
>Down with Marge!!! Down with SchottzieII (sp., but I don't care)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tim Belcher is now unfortunately a Red, but I will always remember him as
the rookie with 2 key victories in the NLCS in our 1988 World Championship 
season.  He was quoted earlier this year as complaining bitterly about 
both the Reds' owner and her dog.  In particular, he noted that the dog
was allowed out on the artificial turf before each home game, generally 
defecated on the plastic, and the mess had to be cleaned up by the unlucky
grounds crew.  A major league grounds crew, Belcher said, should not have 
to deal with that bitch's sh**.  (Is in in fact a female dog, or might he 
have meant, metaphorically, the owner?)

> 
> 
>Tony Ardelean
>Cal State University, San Bernardino

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From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:01:48 GMT

Save percentage 

Atlanta   .695        Baltimore  .750
Chicago   .661        Boston     .520
Cincy     .705        California .750
Houston   .726        Chicago    .712
LA        .617        Cleveland  .667
Montreal  .731*       Detroit    .720
New York  .667        Kansas C.  .657
Philly    .596        Milwaukee  .722
Pitt      .683        Minnesota  .735
St. Lou   .671        New York   .721
San Diego .719        Oakland    .841*
San Fran  .652        Seattle    .588
                      Texas      .656
                      Toronto    .831

Clay D.
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From: frisch1@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan Katz)
Subject: Marlins and Rockies tickets
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:04:38 GMT

I am looking for tickets to the opening games of the Rockies and Marlins
If you have any info, or if you have tickets, please let me know via email
(frisch1@athena.mit.edu)
Thanks!
From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay and the Giants
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:50:02 GMT
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In article 74251@apple.apple.COM, chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
%cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
%
%>	Even with all the problems I'd rather go to Candlestick
%>	to watch a game than a domed stadium.
%
%Truly spoken like someone who's never been to Candlestick. it's VERY easy to
%make prounouncements like this when you don't know what you're talking
%about.

I've been wading through Chuq's umpteen articles, all saying very similar things,
and I just have to put in my $.02 on this.  Candlestick, the first and most
recent stadium I've been to, is simply not as bad as he is painting it.  It's
worst cold day beats many in Fenway early and late in the season, and it never
gets as stiflingly (is that a word?) hot as the ease coast open stadia can during
the dog days of July.  Fogouts?  Sure, they have happened, but the incidence of
fogout+rainout at Candlestick is still much rarer than the incidence of rainout
in non-domed stadia outside of California.  Yes, it's dirty, but so are Fenway and
Cleveland's Municipal Stadium.  Even the better-liked OACS is hardly pristine.

Chuq complained bitterly in the ba.sports newsgroup when the S.J. stadium
was defeated, and I can't help but conclude he's still bitter.  South Bay
people in general hate going up to Candlestick because traffic is such a pain
and it's about a 1-hour drive under good conditions.  I think all this Candlestick-
bashing on Chuq's part needs to be taken with a grain of salt -- yes, it's a
bad stadium, but he overstates the problem.

My opinion only, of course.  This is not meant as a flame, just a different
perspective.

-todd
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From: steph@perseus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: NL MVP voting oddities
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:57:46 GMT

In <1992Nov19.180112.26096@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>Well, I haven't seen any postings on this, so I'll go ahead.

>Barry Bonds won his 2nd MVP award in 3 years yesterday.

Mike Royko wrote today:

"...Barry Bonds, the Pittsburgh outfielder, who is considered a super-duper
star after having a season that would have made Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio
blush with shame and take a cut in pay."  Which makes me wonder -- how
many seasons did Ted and Joe have worse than this year by Barry?

(Mike's not usually this idiotic -- he leaves that to Bernie Lincicome, a
man who makes the Rockies GM look sharp.)

>Of course, 4 people thought Pendleton was more valuable, and *TWO*
>people put Bonds third on their ballots.  Idiots.

No, mediots :->

>Sheffield, having a year that made Terry Pendleton's look average, came
>in third.  Oh, but wait, I forgot.  Pendleton drove in 5 more runs.

First place is always worth a few votes.  So are "intangibles".

>But then again, these are the same people that put Marquis Grissom ahead
>of Ryne Sandberg, and that gave Otis Nixon more votes than Bob Tewksberry.

Nixon for Tewkesbury -- that sounds like a great trade!  We'll even pick
up Nixon's salary for Maxvill.

>Mark Grace got more votes than Will Clark.  Actually, Will Clark didn't
>get any.  He also got more votes than Jeff Bagwell.

You're just not looking at the positive side of things.  From the AL MVP
contest, here's some evidence that mediots aren't as brain dead as they
seem:

Frank Thomas (8th) finished ahead of Cecil Fielder (9th) 108-83.

Egdar Martinez (12th) got more votes than Jack Morris (13th) 29-18.

:-> for the humor impaired.
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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