From: judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- ex-boyfriend of... uh...er...um...ah)
Subject: No defeatist attitude here! (formerly: The March in D.C.)
Originator: judi@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: _W_A_C_D_T_F, Washington, D.C.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:06:54 GMT

Where it was written: <1992Apr12.230932.3731@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Who wrote it:         mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)

>>> = Steve Franklin
>>  = Me (Jay)

>>>Women must realize that
>>>one of their great gifts is their ability to CREATE. We must thank women
>>>for this, and heighten our support and admiration of the mother. It is
>>>society's fault and it is now society's resonsibility to help all women
>>>through their pregnancies and beyond. 
>>
>>These are laudable goals, Steve - but I have my doubts as to whether we'll
>>be able to accomplish them.  If and when we do, *then* we can talk about
>>outlawing abortion.
>
>with attitudes like this, then why try????

I don't understand this reaction.  I was not showing morose defeatism.  I
am stating my opinion, and part of my opinion is that we have no business
outlawing abortion until we fix the other problems Steve talked about first.

You appear to be under the impression that I have sullenly accepted the way
society is now, but that isn't true.  Sorry if I was not clear.

>Why is it that noone ever tries to end all the "unwanted pregnancies?"

I disagree that this is the case.  On the one hand I see an effort being
made to end unwanted pregnancies, by educating people about sex, by
making contraception readily available and encouraging its use, and yes,
by encouraging abstinence.  On the other hand there are people who are
working against two of these things, becuase they are under the
mistaken impression that knowledge will inspire a desire to experiment.

Believe me, I'm more than happy to help reduce the number of unwanted
pregnancies.

>The majority of pro-lifers wouldn't have a problem with this, except
>for the Catholic ones. Sure, abortion is a quick and easy solution.

I wouldn't call abortion quick and easy.  For many women who choose that
route, it is a slow, agonizing and painful decision to have to make.

>BTW, this group is cool. I feel that even though we all have differences,
>at least we don't scream as loud as people on the streets. 

Well not usually, anyway. :)

>I pray that someday we will all find a suitable solution<----unlikely if
>we look at our flaws in society and history.

But that's really all *I* was saying above, to which you replied that
with an attitude like that, why bother?

>But if we are to find a solution to this issue, everyone must realize
>that there are no absolutes. 
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Take heed, those who said that morals are absolute!  *snicker*

>"Man is a species very limited in perception in the space-time 
>continuum and the future." -  Star Trek: The New Generation

Hey, if you're a TNG fan you're all right in my book!
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