HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: A question.
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.211121.9389@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>  He said he was riding at his own pace and not trying to keep up, but
>after thinking about it I'm not so shure. I suspect he was trying to
>make up time in the posted zone in order to catch up with us. He's not a
>bad rider, he just hasn't ridden much in the last while, he was on a
>strange bike, and I think he was trying to make up time.
>
>  Was I at fault? 
>

NO.

>  Should we have slowed when we saw him fall back?
>

Maybe. Depends.

>  I guess it only makes sense that he would push harder to keep up to us,
>but on the other hand we had just ridden 2 hr. across bare-ass
>cross-wind prairie to get to enjoy these twisties and we didn't want to
>waste them.
>

Makes sense to me.

>  I know if I was being left behind I would start to push it in order to
>keep up, and if someone told me to take it easy when they loose me I
>would feel insulted and even more adamant to keep up. I know I'm not my 
>brothers keeper but I feel this kind of situation   
>occurs quite often and can have tragic results.
>   

Like Dirty Harry said, "a man's got to know his limitations."

>  What's the right thing to have done?
>

I've ridden often with folks that had a hard time keeping up. Usually those of
us who are faster will make it clear beforehand that we will stop and wait at
reasonable intervals. Everybody I ride with enjoys pushing it through the
twisties. Not all of us have the same bikes or abilities. As long as everyone 
understands you're going fast for the sheer hell of it, and not because you're 
late for something important, everyone should be able to ride at their own pace
and still enjoy going for rides together.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fun with cagers or I'm bored.
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:55:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Sep10.083359.19125@news.Hawaii.Edu> keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.160830.20259@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>> For a chuckle try doing what I ALWAYS do:
>>Stay just ahead of said cager, ie., just your front wheel.
>>They think they almost have you but no matter how hard they beat it
>>they just can't seem to pull ahead.
>>Perverts please disregard last sentence.
>> 
>What is it about cagers wanting to race that brings out this kind of "rub your
>facd in it" behaviour? I am not an aggressive rider, but can't resist dusting
>cages. It must be extremely humiliating to them because the ratbike is, well,
>only 305 cc and a *ratbike*. Anyone out there *never* do this?

What, never?

Well, hardly ever.

My preferred approach, especially with adolescent cagers (including those
adolescents who've managed to attain ages over 30) is to blip my throttle
agressively, and hunch down a bit like I'm planning a fast launch (the
still untamed loudness of my exhaust helps get this impression across);
when the cager takes of smoking his tires, and barely staying in his lane,
I just putter away from the line, keeping the revs low and the noise down.
If traffic permits, I then change lanes to get behind the cager, point
at him, rear my head back, and laugh my ass off.  This technique is
especially useful if you work the guy up to it over several intersections,
until you find one near a donut shop or with an officer of the law stopped
at a cross street.

Funny, it must be one of those penis things.  While I have run across
asshole female drivers, I haven't ever had a woman try to race me.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: gjw900@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: slappers
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 09:07:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: slippc1.anu.edu.au
Keywords: wobbler

In article <71810@apple.Apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:

>There are differing opinions on how to handle a tank slapper.
>Some suggest relaxing your grip on the handlebars to allow the
>bike to sort itself out.  Others recommend gripping the bars
>firmly to attempt to dampen the oscillation.  I've tried both

I once had a bike with a bent front swing-arm which would chuck a wobbly 
whenever I slowed down past about 30 km/h; a touch on the front brake would 
snap it back into line.

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
From: jevans@Apple.COM (David Jevans)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: >wheelies
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:07:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

You've also gotta watch your oil pickup when wheelying in the nude.

Or, so I hear.


-- 
David Jevans            "Ride Free, Ride Nude!"          (408) 862-3025
                           jevans@apple.com
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From: boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley)
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:32:57 GMT


>If HD would build a modern bike (a la buell) with a modern engine, I'd buy it
>and I'd buy it NOW!. but they don't, so the point is moot.


Buell is looking at John Britten's really impressive v twin racing engine. If
they comercialize it, it'll be a step towards a competitive Buell.  Of course,
Britten is Australian, but hey... 

Do you know if the Buells that are out now are really heavy?
I suspect that they are, because in the ads, they give lots of specs, but they
 don't give the curb weight.


Kid Oreo

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: drinckes@csl.dl.nec.com (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: stupid people
Organization: TSSC New Zealand
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:09:14 GMT

In artice <7964@public.BTR.COM> jamesf@public.BTR.COM write:
>In article <1992Sep9.095529.2010@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>"B. Pasker: I've always wondered what 'STOP' stood for. Could anyone tell me ?
>> C. Paull : Spin Tires On Pavement."

>Slightly Tap On Pedal

Stick Throttle (in) Open Position


-- 
Doug Rinckes, Network Administrator
Telecommunications Systems Support Centre New Zealand Ltd  
                                   | drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
DOD#: 741                          | the opinions above are not my employers -
1976 BMW R100S + 41mm Dell'Ortos   |  mind you, they may not be mine either!
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Daytona Banking (was Re: >wheelies)
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:04:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems. Daytona Beach, FL


All this talk about hills is finally getting to me.

Anybody who thinks that hills of 30 degrees or more are common I invite to
either:
1. going out with a level and a protractor and measuring some hills;
or
2. coming over to Daytona and standing next to the 31 degree banking
   on the NASCAR course....I personally haven't seen too many hills steeper
   than that; 45 degrees - I doubt it;...75 degrees - let's get real.

Drawing 30 degrees on paper looks a lot milder than it does when you have 
to drive/ride/walk up it. Try it. All you have to do is measure it and
all this discussion can be put to rest....
Then again, I do live in Florida :-).

Jerry S.
From: kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Castrol Syntec (Oh God! Not oil again!)
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:07:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In a most interesting article written by greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger), it is stated that:
=|Has anyone tried Castrol's new Syntec synthetic oil in a bike?  
=|So, any Denizens out there with big enough balls to have tried it?
=|

Well,

  I'm not yet an official denizen, so my opinion may not count for much
here.  But I guess I have big enough balls because I did try it.  Or 
should I say, am trying it.  The first thing I noticed was a fairly
dramatic change in how smoothly my bike shifted (it shifted more smoothly).
The engine ran really smooth before and after.  I was going to put
Mobil-1 in but it was on back order, and they had just recieved the
Syntec so I decided to try it (first making sure it met all the 
qualification stated in my manual). No complaints here. It cost me
$4.99 / quart, which I understand is about the same for Mobil-1.

  Since it is a brand new bike (I bought it at the end of June, it now
has 7,500 miles on it) and everything was working perfectly I really
didn't expect to see a very dramatic difference.  Maybe on an older
bike....


Kevin

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Jon Mills ('92 CBR600F2 CYBIKE)           kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com
"I'm convinved, you'll never stop looking for ways to kill yourself."
                                                            -- My Mom
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:26:48 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


C J,

The problem must be those hooks. I wear sunglasses under my Shoei, and even
when it was new and very snug, I had no problem getting them on (*after*
putting the helmet on, of course). My sunglasses have metal wire temples
with a slanted-back plastic earpiece.

Have you considered contacts? I wear soft (now switched to disposable) lenses
whenever I ride. You need good wind protection to keep from blowing one off-
center, but the face shield or goggles take care of that.
-- 
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
= Wade Franklin          DoD #705       '92 FXDC DynaGlide Custom  =
= wfrank@well.sf.ca.us   HOG, AMA       '86 Yamaha Radian          =
=                 Warning: Luxo death for some.                    =
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: test
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:01:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

I found this bar around here, far enough out from town to be considered
"country," (about 5 miles, here :^).  Anyway, nothing special about the
joint, a juke box, two coin-op pool tables with faded felt and crooked
sticks, etc.  What attracted me were the three Harleys and a Virago out
front.  Two of the hogs were really nice, with obviously custom paint
jobs and chrome everything.  The other one was a Sportster, looked
stock.

I went in, and there were four typical Harley types, black t-shirts,
two of the guys were wearing a leather vest.  I figured I'd hang out
and strike up a countersteering conversation.

So anyway, I go up to the bar (really old, all carved up like the
tables at the Dutch Goose), and while I'm waiting for the bartender, I
see this beer tap with Bud, Bud Lite, Miller, and Coors Lite on it.  I
ask the bartender for a Sam Adams Double Wheat Lager Steam Boch Ale.

He just looked funny and jerked his thumb towards the taps.  Naturally,
being an upright DoD beer poser, I got up and left.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: *FLAME* Stay away from Competition Accessories!!!
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:47:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

johnny@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Johnny Roberts) writes:


>	I am offering this warning as a result of my recent dealings with  
>Competition Accesories Warehouse, a mail-order outfit that advertises in  
>Motorcyclist Magazine. 

Well, I've ordered quite a bit of stuff from Competition Accessories, with
little trouble.  The only screwup was when I called back to confirm an order,
and they couldn't find a record of it.  I reordered the part, and ended up
with two.  They refunded my money with no BS, however, even though it was a
chain that had been cut to size.  I also noted in their return form that
"customer no longer desires item" was an acceptable reason for return - seems
like a pretty liberal policy to me.

So all in all, I'm quite happy with Competition Accessories.  I think the
moral of the story is not to trust ANY mail order company when you absolutely
need an item by a particular time.  Most of the accounts of woe I have read
regarding mail order companies in general are exasperated by a particular 
inconvenience of not getting a part when promised.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: I just turned 19k mi on Mavis! (Re: Kawi EX500 with a stuck shifter.)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:41:42 GMT

fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein) writes:

>If you want unconditional wheelies, ride a Vance
>and Hines edition FZR 600.  Jeez!

Yea, that paint job must add at least 50 HP!  :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:49:06 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

Definitely has to be a sign in the test ranges at Aberdeen Proving Ground,
my current place of employment (for the moment ;^(  ):  the silhouette of
a large tracked vehicle, with the words "TANK X-ING".  Talk all you want
about left-turning brain-dead cagers, that tain't nuttin'.  Seeing one of
these things bearing down on you at a road crossing will *really* make your
sphincter slam shut!!

Mr. Barely-Perceptible-Bump-to-a-65-Ton-M1A1-Tank
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:16:40 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Bob Palin (bob@csbvax.uucp) wrote:
: Top speed was 34mph

beat ya.  i did 45 once (extrapolated), drafting a truck on
Graham Hill road, with a 80/20 mixture of gas and model
airplane fuel.  that thing would diesel like crazy -- shut
off the ignition, and it kept going.

: did 3600 miles on it between 1972-74.

wimp!  10k+ between '78 and '80.

:-)

> From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
> This isn't meant as a flame, but come on.  Call a spade a spade.  There's 
> mopeds and scooters and there's motorcycles.  I've never confused the 
> two and for the life of me I can't really understand how this thread is 
> going the way it's going.

because you still don't understand the difference.  mopeds, scooters,
and motorcycles are three different things, though technically, the
scooters and motorcycles are both considered motorcyles.

there exist SCOOTERS into the 250cc range.  those can go
freeway speeds easily, though i wouldn't want to, personally.
a MOPED is limited to 50cc in most states, it is not supposed
to go faster than about 30mph.

> My advice to anyone considering motorized, two-wheel transportation:  Buy a 
> bike and save the moped or scooter for your next trip to Bermuda.

good advice anywhere you go.

-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Subject: Leather Outfit - where to buy ?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:55:13 GMT


Hi,

  I want to buy a simple but effective leather
  outfit for riding.  Can you suugest where I
  can find one at a good price ?

  thanks

Suresh
From: mayer@sono.uucp (Ron Mayer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW R100RS - Raise handlebar one inch
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:31:59 GMT
	<1992Sep03.152314.13534@i88.isc.com>
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

In-reply-to: jeq@i88.isc.com's message of 3 Sep 92 15:23:14 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW R100RS - Raise handlebar one inch
	<1992Sep03.152314.13534@i88.isc.com>
Distribution: 
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In article <1992Sep03.152314.13534@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Sep02.141755.3618@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>
>
based on the subject line "BMW R100RS"; shouldnt that have been:
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>>           / /|     |\ \
>>          / / |M'Lud| \ \
>>         / /  |     |  \ \
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>>      ==||=, |       | ,=UW==
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>>                \_/
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~             

    :-)
    Acutally, I'm not sure I got them big enough, I couldn't draw the 
    carburator in his shin when he hits the brake :-)

    Ron Mayer    mayer@acuson.com      R100GS(!)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What's a "stroker"
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.152116.25826@informix.com> dboyd@informix.com writes:
>
>OK, no funny business here, I really want to know. I have this t-shirt on today  
>that says "Have you hugged your stroker today?" (from S&S cycles) and people  
>are asking me what a stroker is and I'm not quite sure.
>I've heard the expression stroked-out, but it doesn't help me understand.

	A stroker is a motor that has had it's stroke lengthened.  Since
1/2*bore^2*pi*stroke*number_of_cylinders = displacement, stroking is another
method of increasing displacement (as opposed to boring).  S&S Cycles sells
flywheel and con rod kits that have equal or longer strokes than stock Harley
motors.

	Stock, an 80" Harley has about 4.25" stroke.  Every eighth of an inch
the crankpin is located closer to the circumference of the flywheels is good
for about six cubes in total engine displacement.  Supposedly an 86" Harley,
besides having the ability to roast stock bikes, will have much better balance
than a stock bike and thus shouldn't shake your molars so badly.

	While we're on the subject, here's my Christmas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwish
list for engine parts:

	o S&S 96" Sidewinder kit (includes big barrels, pistons, flywheels,
	  crank, pins, whole ball of wax)

	Substitutions into the above:

	o Cosworth pistons

	o Carillo titanium rods

	o Falicon-strengthened crank

	o Delkron cases (stronger than stock so they don't scatter all over
	  the road)

	Would be a sweet motor, probably good for 6000-7000rpm without too
much trouble (the strengthened rods and lighter pistons help here).

	Add electric start so I don't wrap my right leg over my right shoulder.

Wishing,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Watch out
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:41:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.170557.4395@csrd.uiuc.edu> leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:
|
|One accident we had involved a car blowing the light
|and hitting the 2nd car in the cross traffic.  The first car was a
|County cop.

So, of course, the 2nd car was found at fault in the accident.  Right?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:35:29 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Roar Larsen (Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no) wrote:
: 
: According to this system, a wave with the hand _above_ the handlebars
: means just a friendly acknowledgement of fellow bikers, while a wave
: with the hand _below_ the handlebars means: "Danger - drive legally!!"
: 
: Do you guys "over there" (or anywhere else, for that matter) do anything 
: at all similar? Maybe we could start a tradition on this??
:
   A recent issue of "Motorcyclist" list a hand-to-helmet salute sort
of wave to indicate police are in the area.  Personally I would just
give others a palm down indication to tell them to slow down for any
sort of hazard (legal or other). 
: 
: PS - I'm still working on the trip report from our honeymoon - it just 
: takes longer than I thought...

   I think Roar is just trying to brag here. . .
--

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* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
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From: ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Olympic Bikers?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:33:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Eric Murray (ericm@microunity.com) wrote:
: Try asking your local BMW club.  Here in California, the BMW clubs

  Local, heh heh, club, hahahahahah!  What a concept.  There isn't 
a BMW bike dealer within a hundred miles of here.  Local club, what
a hoot!

: do support for bike races, and other kinds.  It helps if you have
: some experience in the sport that you want to ride support for.
: That way you'll be better at reading the race and staying out
: of the racer's way while still looking out for their safety.
: 
: The motorcyclists who ferry camera people around (at least in bike races)
: are all experienced bike racers themselves- they need to be used to
: riding in a pack, rubbing elbows with the racers.  It's pretty
: sad when a camera bike takes a racer down...
:
   So you are saying that NBC or the Olympic TV pool got local volunteers
to carry camera people?  Seems unlikely, but maybe.  It seems to me they
would want somebody who was experienced carrying camera operators not just
whoever they could get. 

--

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* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
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