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From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:27:06 GMT

In article <2080@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>	The Celtics. They currently lead the season series against the Pistons
>3-1, with only one game left between the two teams.
>
>	The Celtics also hold the tie-breaker advantage over the Knicks, if they
>happen to finish deadlocked for the Atlantic division. Celtics fans are *really*
>going to enjoy watching the Pistons/Knicks game on Sunday!!!! (Gee, who
>should we root for? Let's alternate teams every period.)  :-)

After the fact, but--the Knicks' victory was certainly in the Celtics'
advantage.  Saying ahead of Detroit is not going to be a problem,
since the only teams they're playing other than Detroit are runt teams
that can't beat them, and Detroit can even gain a game on the Celtics
and still lose.

BTW, who has better stats since the beginning of the Celtics' 12 for
13 streak, the Celtics or the Bulls?

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From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 13:36:38 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: BOXSCORE: ind79chi78.11apr92
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ind 106, chi 108   11apr92

ind (38-41)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
mccloud,george    26    4  10   2  4   5  6   1  3   1   4  2  3  1  0  0   15
person,chuck      37    7  13   1  4   1  2   0  2   5   4  0  6  0  0  0   16
thompson,lasalle  18    3   5   0  0   0  0   3  6   1   2  0  2  0  0  0    6
williams,micheal  35    2   9   0  0   6  6   0  3   5   3  0  4  0  0  0   10
miller,reggie     38    5  13   2  5   2  2   2  2   1   3  0  1  0  0  0   14
fleming,vern      24    6   9   0  0   0  1   0  2   2   0  1  1  0  0  0   12
schrempf,detlef   31    8  10   0  1   9  9   4 10   7   4  0  2  0  0  0   25
williams,kenny     7    2   4   0  0   0  0   0  1   0   3  0  1  2  0  0    4
davis,dale        24    2   3   0  0   0  0   1  7   0   2  0  0  1  0  0    4
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ind totals       240   39  76   5 14  23 26  11 36  22  25  3 20  4  0  0  106
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .513   .357   .885       team rebs 10


chi (64-14)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
pippen,scottie    42    9  20   0  1   3  6   2  4   6   2  2  4  0  0  0   21
grant,horace      35    8  10   0  0   3  5   4  7   4   2  0  0  1  0  0   19
cartwright,bill   17    3   4   0  0   0  0   0  5   3   4  1  0  1  0  0    6
paxson,john       25    6   8   0  0   1  2   0  1   1   3  0  0  0  0  0   13
jordan,michael    37    8  20   0  0   7  7   1  5   8   2  5  1  1  0  0   23
king,stacey       20    5   8   0  0   0  0   3  4   3   1  0  0  0  0  0   10
armstrong,bj      21    3  10   0  0   2  4   2  3   3   2  1  0  0  0  0    8
levingston,cliff  21    2   5   0  0   2  2   3  6   1   3  2  0  0  0  0    6
hodges,craig       8    0   3   0  1   0  0   0  0   1   0  0  1  0  0  0    0
williams,scott     8    0   0   0  0   0  0   0  3   1   3  0  0  0  0  0    0
hansen,bob         6    1   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0   3  0  1  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
chi totals       240   45  89   0  2  18 26  15 38  31  25 11  7  3  0  0  108
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .506   .000   .692       team rebs  8


ind   24  28  24  30  -  106
chi   27  22  33  26  -  108

attendance 18676, time ?:??, officials: ETRush,JKinsey,DVaden
From: javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Most Valuable Player
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:15:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL


   I think is time to initiate the discussion about the player who deserves
to be the Most Valuable Player.

   My favourites are Michael Jordan (Chicago Bulls) and Clyde Drexler (Portland
 Trailblazers).

   What do you think about this, net folks?


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From: klund@quince.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:30:06 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro

In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt>  writes:
> 
>    I think is time to initiate the discussion about the player who  
deserves
> to be the Most Valuable Player.
> 
>    My favourites are Michael Jordan (Chicago Bulls) and Clyde Drexler  
(Portland
>  Trailblazers).
> 
>    What do you think about this, net folks?
> 
> 
Unfortunately, I think that those two are the favorites.  Maybe Mark Price  
can sneak up and steal it from them--he's been at least as important to  
the Cav's resurgence as Micheal and Clyde have been to keep their talent  
laden teams at the top.

How about the woman that gave the HIV virus to Magic?  That was a pretty  
significant turn of events for the Lakers.

Think they'll go for that?

Kevin L
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.032706.9633@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:

>In article <2080@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) write:
>>	The Celtics. They currently lead the season series against the Pistons
>>3-1, with only one game left between the two teams.
>>
>>	The Celtics also hold the tie-breaker advantage over the Knicks, if they
>>happen to finish deadlocked for the Atlantic division. Celtics fans are *reall*
>>going to enjoy watching the Pistons/Knicks game on Sunday!!!! (Gee, who
>>should we root for? Let's alternate teams every period.)  :-)
>
>After the fact, but--the Knicks' victory was certainly in the Celtics'

Hello? Detroit won 72-61, beating the Knicks for the second time that week.
If not for those 2 losses Boston would have next to no chance of overtaking
NY. It might be advantageous for Detroit to lose to Boston next wed and
face NY in the first round, but they will not risk losing any chance of
catching the Celts for home-court advantage, and likewise Detroit doesn't
want to lose any momentum (if you haven't noticed, Detroit's winning streak
is the same as Boston's).

>advantage.  Saying ahead of Detroit is not going to be a problem,
>since the only teams they're playing other than Detroit are runt teams
>that can't beat them, and Detroit can even gain a game on the Celtics
>and still lose.

Famous last words?
Any team can beat any other team on a good night.
Personally I don't value the home court in a Det-Bos series, seeing how good
Detroit's road record is this season, and how bad Boston's road record is.

--Eric
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:49:34 GMT

In article <16APR199215111918@sigma.tamu.edu> h0j1297@sigma.tamu.edu (BURT J.) writes:
>MVP = David Robinson.  Sure, he's hurt right now, but look at the stats!  Take
>note of his teams record without him!  I rest my case!

IF (a big IF) this "without XXX his team would have been a lottery team"
argument is a valid MVP argument, then nobody but Magic deserves the award. 
The argument is only a speculation for Robinson, but a FACT for Magic.

C'mon, Jordan backers have been using this phoney argument for years, but
it didn't help him to win any MVP when the team was no good. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:54:36 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <kujgd2INNqp4@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
> I don't know about anybody else, but I'm sick of this Celtic bashing that I've
> seen poste dlately?
> The fact is the Celtics have the second best record in their division and have 
> just beat the top three teams in the East(Chicago,Cleveland and New York).
> And as for the Larry Bird haters out there. Bird is still one of the top three
> players in the league(yes, seriously).
> This is the year the Celts will win their seventeenth world championship and
> Bird, Mchale and Parish will get yet another championship ring. Sorry Michael.
> 
> 
> > Matt
> 
> (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
> 
> Thank you!  I tried saying the same thing, but some poeple have manure in their heads that won't allow them to realize the obvious.  
> 
> GO Celts!
> 
> Neil



      I totally agree with everything you say. The Celts are very hot right now
and will continue the hot streak right through the playoffs. GO CELTS

                                                    Murph
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Most Improved Player
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:10:34 GMT

well, considering how little (0) he played last year and what he's meant
to the celtics this year, i'll toss in a mention of

      John  Bagley

when you go from a non-rookie Zero to what he's done, that's an infinite %.
but the other most improved players are also good choices.

- nate
 
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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Subject: Re: Lottery
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.042817.18508@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>>If I was playing a lottery in which I had 1 in 66 chances of winning
>>50 million dollars I and any other sane individual would be ecstatic.
>
>Even if a ticket costs 1 million dollars?  Well, have I got a deal
>for you and for any other sane individual.
>
>
>--Gidi

Before I respond to your "deal" I'd like to know how this ticket
will cost 1 million? Is this the new math I hear about??
Roy
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rodman (was Re: Pistons over Spurs 107-103....)
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:18:38 GMT


But really how many games is he worth a year?  Personally, if I were
trader Jack and I wanted to keep my job, I'd try to package Rodman and
get a player who is both an offensive and defensive power.  The fact
is that because of his offensive liabilites Rodman is the type of 
player that only a team already loaded can afford.  He would be an
ideal player with Phoenix, for example, because that team already can
score a lot without him.

Again, Rodman has great stats, but those stats don't appear to be 
translating into wins.  Detroit was a much better team when he had
a much smaller role, and I suspect that his absence would not hurt the
team that much.  Let's put it another way; if he were averaging only
say 15 rebounds a game and playing a normal 37 minutes a game, would 
/could he play?  Recall last year when the Pippen drove him from the
floor.  Daly needed fense and he simply couldn't afford Rodman
Perhaps some Detroit fan can give me a better sense than I have for
his play, but it seems to me that he is not nearly the defensive 
force he has been in the past.  Because he is not very effective at
setting picks, the Detroit offense seems even more one on one than
it was last year.  Finally, (no surprise) Rodman is not nearly as
effective in the fourth quarter as he is in the first.  I've always
admired Rodman for his basketball skills -- ever since he came into
the league, but I can't see him as one of the greats until he shows
some offensive ability.

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From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Subject: Re: NBA Most Improved Player
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:58:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.224130.16365@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins) writes:

>And an early favorite for coach of the year: Larry Brown

This would be an absolute first; get fired from one job and win
coach of the year at another.

But seriously, if we are going to look at half-year coaches I think a
better case could be made for George Karl.

Peter B
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:21:18 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>"Bad," "sucks," "average." Thanks for the input.

Detroit plays NBA "average" at home which is pretty "bad" for a
PLAYOFF team. So they simply "suck". You're welcome!

>--Eric

    --mack
From: alanj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: point guards (who is best?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:51:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.095142.54410
Organization: Utah State University

Did anyone catch the segment NBC did on point guards before the Lakers-Jazz
game on Saturday?  They did a loose comparison between John Stockton, Tim
Hardaway, Isiah Thomas, Kevin Johnson, and Mark Price.  

They asked each one who they thought was the best point guard in the league.
Only Hardaway answered the question and he picked Stockton.

They also took a poll of head coaches as to who was the best point guard.  This
was the result:

Stockton        15
Hardaway         7
Johnson          3
Thomas           0
Price            0
(I guess that 2 coaches didn't answer.)

I assume that Isiah might be past his prime and Price has been injured and this
probably had some bearing on the poll.  I am not trying to get Lor and Meeks
going on the Isiah-Stockton thing or Chang on the Hardaway is God thing again. 
I just thought that it was interesting and to a degree backs up Stockton's
selection to the Olympic team.

Alan
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:01:57 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <167C58EF3.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
> Who did you root for Tuesday when the Pistons beat the Knicks 103-94?

	We all rooted for the Knicks, of course. No self-respecting Celtic fan
would ever root for the Pistons!

	BTW, did you hear about the fans at Boston Garden passing the hat
arround and raising $2,500 for Oakley the other night? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)



-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	No Snow! No Snow! No Snow! No Snow! No Snow! No Snow! No Snow!
From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics swat Hornets
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:22:11 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 2558

In article <1992Apr13.160049.16092@apollo.hp.com>, stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>
>Hey, what the hell happened to my Bees last night? That wasn't even a game!
>The Hornets failed to show up on their own court last night, and the Celtics
>apparently sprayed the place with Raid. Granted, Reggie Lewis was having a
>monster night, but that doesn't explain the Hornets' total lack of defense.
>Come on, this Celtic team is not THAT good. I saw the Hornets flounder and
>lose to the Nets back in December, but they didn't look nearly as dead as
>they did last night. What's going on, did Bristow tell them to fudge the
>rest of the season so they can get a better lottery shot or something?


     Bristow said in The Charlotte Observer that they did play terrible
and would be concentrating on basics again in practice.  J.R. Reid denied
that the team had written off the rest of the season, but that they were
extremely tired.
     I began noticing the fatigue in the Hornets about two weeks ago.
The Hornets lost really bad to the Bullets on the road.  They were down
by 29 at one time!  They turned around and barely beat Orlando, played
Chicago close on the road, but were blown out by the Knicks.  They got revenge
by beating the Bullets at home, but then the bottom fell out.  Orlando
stomped the Hornets on the road by 23, Cleveland beat them bad, Detroit
did the same and Boston really killed them.  Boston lead by 38 at one
time.
     I simply think that Larry Johnson, Kenny Gattison, Kendall Gill, and
Muggsy Bogues are simply exhausted.  70+ 38 to 44-minute games have really
worn them down, especially LJ who has carried the team for most of the year.
His scoring is down from the mid 20s during the winning stretch in January
and February to the low teens.  His rebounding, as well as the whole team,
has dropped.
     The paper did mention that this losing streak has given Milwaukee a
chance to creep back ahead of the Hornets, thus giving Charlotte 5 ping-pong
balls in the lottery.

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From: cwong@cs.ulowell.edu ()
Subject: Re: The Warriors
Organization: U. Mass. at Lowell
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.135318.17364@ncsu.edu> jnkontos@eos.ncsu.edu (JIMMY NICK KONTOS) writes:
>
>	How many of you think that the Warriors will hang with Portland, 
>Phoenix, Seattle, and LA Lakers these next two weeks and and take the
>Pacific divisin title?
>
>	By the way did anybody see that incredible game Friday where the
>Warriors, down by 15 with 5 min. left, came back and took the Kings in
>overtime.
>I think it was a great win since Tim Hardaway had fouled out late in
>regulation.
>Marciulonis played a great game.  Its hard for good teams to be mentally
>prepared to play against cellar dwellers.  After all look what happened
>to
>Chicago when they played Orlando at home.
>
>
>
>	-Jimmy-

Unfortunately, they lose to Portland on Sunday's game.  In addition to that, 
they lose to Phoneix, too.  Not to mention the Pacific division title, they 
probably will behind Phoneix.  Anyway, it doesn't tell much of the position in
the division, they still have a chance!

Go Warriors!!!
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:26:53 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.144604.29281@crd.ge.com>, hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley) writes:
> 
> Cleveland has already cinched up the #2 spot,

	AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


	Not again!!!! :-) Another person who doesn't know how the NBA playoff
seedings work! Cleveland has clinched the #3 seed in the playoffs.

	#1 Conference seed goes to the Division winner with the best overall
	   Record (Chicago & Portland)

	#2 Seed goes to the other Division winner REGARDLESS OF OVERALL RECORD!
	   (New York or Boston, Utah)

	#3-#8 seeds go to the next six teams in the conference based on
	   overall record.

So you see that Cleveland does not have the #2 spot clinched!

And just to answer the inevitable follow on question:

	"Does that mean that New York/Boston would have Home Court Advantage (HCA)
over Cleveland if those teams meet on the Conference semi-finals?"


	NO!!!! Cleveland would have HCA on the basis of their better regular
season record! 


	OK, does everybody got that? Good, that ought to hold r.s.bb.pro until
Wednesday! :-)


-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Matt Younng is so pathetic, he can even screw up a no-hitter!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman: What's with the Shorts?!??
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.161441.20666@ncsu.edu>
jnkontos@eos.ncsu.edu (JIMMY NICK KONTOS) writes:

>
>Dear Eric,

Hello! rsbp is better than email, no?  :-D
>
>	If you are concerned with somebody's sexuality this is not the
>place to inform him.   All he (pabouki@eos) is saying  is that it is highly
>unregular for NBA players in the 90's to wear nuthuggers.

And that Bill wears his too low on the hips, right.

>
>-Jimmy-
>

Har-dee-har-har! :-|

A: I made no comment about sexuality, just about his keen interest in pants.
   At least he seemed to me to be fairly pants-minded.
   Further, I'm not concerned about his sexuality. Just curious about
   an apparent gym-shorts fetish. ;)
   And thanks so much for deleting his and my comments.

B: So he wears tight pants, so what? Are you bugged cuz he is likely to
   threepeat as Defensive Player of the Year? Or maybe that his name is
   mentioned in MVP speculations? Or has the Pistons' late surge got you
   down? Afraid they might go a little too far in the playoffs? >;->

--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Subject: Re: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 13:16:17 GMT


In a previous article, zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) says:

>
>We waited 25 years for our championship, so we deserve to finally be able to
>enjoy it.  Before the Bulls and Bears in '85, when was the last time we
>won? The Sox and Cubs haven't in over 70 years.>-- 
>
Hey, don't talk to us Cleveland fans bout waiting? The Indians haven't
won anything in over 38 yrs? The Browns haven't won a championship
in 30 yrs, the CAVS have never won one. Doncha think it's about time
we get something? C'mon... Let Michael and Scottie take an early vacation..
<Grin>

Alex
-- 
"Sometimes people don't understand, what they have until it's gone...
some people don't know somebody loves them, until it's too late baby..
you better wake up girl, and realize what u got baby.." - Keith Sweat
Alex Canada -- am402@cleveland.freenet.edu    CAVS in '92