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Subject: Songs with "I Love You"!!
From: rthamma@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:23:24 CST
Reply-To: rthamma@vax1.umkc.edu
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
Summary: songs
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Here are some more to add to the list....

 1) ILU ILU..(Saudagar)
 2) Angrezi mein kehte hain ki...(Khuddaar)
 3) Dil yeh kehta hai,kaanon mein tere......(Phool aur Kaante)
 4) Tu mere aage,mai tere peeche.......(I Love You)

   Corrections are welcome.

       Renu.
From: akash@brahms.udel.edu (Akash Sharma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: kabhi-kabhi song
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:57:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1hd8c9INNia4@bigboote.WPI.EDU> suren@ee.WPI.EDU (Surender Mohan) writes:
>In article <kavuri.725164376@exa> kavuri@exa.cs.umn.edu (Sakuntala Kavuri) writes:
>>In <BzpyLD.14J@news.udel.edu> akash@brahms.udel.edu (Akash Sharma) writes:
>>
>>	I think the word is either 'musroof' or 'mut rookh'(2 words meaning
>>	dont stop)
>>	Basically he is tring to say that he is one in the million
>>	and the world would not waste time listening to  him..
>>
>>	Any pointers?
>
>I was following this discussion, thinking that someone will come out with
>definite answer. So here is the final word- it is "MUSROOF" , which means
>busy as already pointed out by someone.
>
	Stuff deleted.
>
>- Surender Mohan.
	Okay, here is how it is.  I have not heard the song in a while.  
However, I just want to point out in response to Sakuntala's statement that
it is certainly not "mut rookh," because it would not make any sense to say:

	mut rookh jamaana mere liye, kyon waqt apna barbaad kare.

	Therefore it is either "musroof" or "mugroor."  Now, I take Surender
at his word and concede that it is "musroof,"but would like to point out that
"mugroor" may actually have been a better choice in the context.
Akash.
akash@ravel.udel.edu
From: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hemant Varma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Tabla player needed to accompany Sitarist.
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:22:15 GMT
Reply-To: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU
Organization: University of California, Davis

We are looking for a tabla soloist that lives in or around Davis California
or Sacramento area to accompany my wife who plays the Sitar. Please
call 916 753 7785 or e-mail varma@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu

Thank You
Hemant
From: 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Songs with"Sanam"
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


   Here are couple more folks:-

   Oh mere sanam (Sangam)
   Teri isi ada pe sanam (Deewana)
   Tere hum ae sanam pyar mein vaada (Jeena teri gali mein)
   Bin tere sanam mar miteinge hum (Yaara Dildaara)

   Regards,
   Swaraj.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: Songs with word 'DIL'
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:50:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.005904.21635@news2.cis.umn.edu> subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian) writes:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>	There are quite a few hindi film songs that have the word
>'DIL' in the starting lines of the songs.
>	Here are a few to start with....
>
>
>[4] kabhi kabhi mere dill mein khayal atha hain [silsila]
						 ^^^^^^^^^
						 KABHI-KABHI

>[5] pal pal dil ke pas tum rahti ho [??]
				     ^^^^
				     BLACKMAIL

>
>More anyone?
>

Kahi Deep Jale Kahi Dil (Bees Saal Baad)
Chal Chale Ay Dil Kare Chalkar (Jheel Ke us Paar)
Rehte Te Kabhi Jinke Dil Mein (Mamta)
Dil Aisa Kisi Ne Mera Thoda (Amanush)
Bekaraar Dil Tu Gaaye Ja(Door Ka Rahi)
Jaaon Kahan Batha Ai Dil (Choti Bahen)
Jaane Kahan Gayi Dil Mera Le Gayi (Dil Apna Preeth Paraye)


Lakshmi Radhakrishnan radhakri6588@duq3.duq.edu
p.s. This is not my account, but I used my friend's account to post 
this message.  

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Lycoming College (Physics), Williamsport, PA. |           rajan@maria.wustl.edu 
Washington University in St. Louis (EE).      |           raj@optima.wustl.edu 
Washington U. - site of the first Bush/Clinton/Perot presidential debate!!!!!!
From: acha@CS.CMU.EDU (Anurag Acharya)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me the movie names of the following songs ?
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:37:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0AGzE.5n8.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: acha@DRAVIDO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1993Jan2.223200.5689@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@nervi.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
> I would like to know the movie names of the following songs ..
> 1) Tum aa gaye ho noor aa gaya hai			
> 2) Tere bina zindagi se shikiva to nahin
> 3) Is mod se jaate hain
all from aandhi

> 4) Phir vahi raat hai phir vahi raat hai khwab ki, raat bhar kwhab mein
> dekha karenge tumhe...
> 5) Aapki aankhon mein kuch mahake hue se ...
both from ghar

> 6) Tere bina jiya lage na..
basant bahar

> 7) Dil dhoondtha hai
mausam

> 8) Beeti na bitayi raina...
parichay.

An aside, all except 6 have been written by Gulzar. Do I see a fellow Gulzar
fan?

anurag
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me the movie names of the following songs ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:46:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.145846.11946@cs.brown.edu> yab@cs.brown.edu (Yashesh Bhatia) writes:
>
>|> >3) Is mod se jaate hain
>
>This one is from Aandhi too. It goes like 
>
>Is mod pe jate hain, Kuch tej kadam rakh ke, Kuch ????
Yup! You are absolutely right. I am sorry for the mistake.
That makes 1-3 Aandhi. Rest still stands, I guess.


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From: atulthombre@hgrd01.enet.dec.com (The Solitary Reaper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Lyrics wanted for a few Rafi songs
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:44:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <taravade.724952154@shark.ecn.purdue.edu>, taravade@shark.ecn.purdue.edu (Kunal N Taravade) writes...
>I need the lyrics of the following songs :   
> 
>Movie: Ek Musafir Ek Hasina
>Singer: Rafi
>Music: O.P. Nayyar
>Song: Main pyaar ka rahi hoon

	MaiN pyar ka raahi hoo
	Teri zulfo ke saaye maiN
	kuchh der thahar jaaooN

	Tum ek musafir ho
	Kab chhod ke chal doge
	Ye soch ke ghabarooN

		This is just a few lines I remember, but the 'gurus' on the net
will surely complete it.

> 
> 
>Movie: Kashmir ki Kali
>singer: Rafi
>Music: O.P. Nayyar
>song: Yeh chand sa roshan chehera....

	Yeh chand sa roshan chehera, zulfoN ka rang sunahara
	Yeh zeel si neeli aaNkhe, koi raj hai in maiN gehera
	Taarif karu kya uski, jisne tumhe banaya...

	Ek cheez Quyamat bhi hai, logoN se suna karate the
	tumhe dekhake maine mana, wo thik kaha karate the...
	                       ...wo thik kaha karate the
	Teri chaal mai ???? Jalim, kuchh aisi bala ka jaadoo
	sou baar sambhala dil ko, par hoke raha bekaaboo
	Taarif karu kya uski, jisne tumhe banaya...

	Har subhah kiran ki laali, hai rang tere gaaloN ka
	Har shaam ki chadar kaali, saya hai tere baaloN ka...
	                        ...saya hai tere baaloN ka
	Tu balkhati ek nadiya, har mouj teri angadai
	Jo in moujo mai duba, usne hi duniya paayi
	Taarif karu kya uski, jisne tumhe banaya...

	Mai khoj mai hu mazil ke, aur manzil paas hai meri
	mukhde se hutado aachNal, ho jaaye door andhere...
	                       ...ho jaaye door andhere
	Mana ke ye jalwe tere, kar denge mujhe diwana
	ji bhar ke jara mai dekhoo, andaz tera mastana
	Taarif karu kya uski, jisne tumhe banaya... (5 to 6 times)


		THis, I think, is fairly correct. I am not able to recollect
the lines which are repeated more than once.

		I hop this helps,

Atul.
>
> 
>Movie: Dosti
>Singer: Rafi
>Music: LP
>song: Rahi manwa dukh ki chinta....
> 
>Thanks.
> 
> 
>-Kunal
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: akash@brahms.udel.edu (Akash Sharma)
Subject: Re: lyrics for kabhi-kabhi song
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.030502.24343@hubcap.clemson.edu> sjoshi@eng.clemson.edu (sandeep joshi) writes:
>In article 21856@Princeton.EDU, ubatra@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Udit Batra) writes:
>>
>>Kabhi-Kabhi ka gaana hai, 'main pal do pal ka shayar hoon'

	Stuff deleted


>musrookh zamaana mere liye
 ^^^^^^^^
>hope you enjoyed it. btw, is the word 'musrookh' correct and does it mean 'busy' ?
>does anybody know the lyrics for 'mein HAR ek pal ka shayar hoon' ?
>
>
>Sandeep.
	The correct word is musroof, and yes it does mean busy.
Akash.
akash@brahms.udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: hariharn@klee.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Songs with word 'DIL'
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:12:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.005904.21635@news2.cis.umn.edu> subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian) writes:
>
>	There are quite a few hindi film songs that have the word
>'DIL' in the starting lines of the songs.
>
>[1] dil deewana bin sajna ke [MPK]
>[2] dil ke tukde tukde karke muskurake chal diye [??]
>[3] dil cheez kya hain mere jaan le jiye [Umrao jaan]
>[4] kabhi kabhi mere dill mein khayal atha hain [silsila]
>[5] pal pal dil ke pas tum rahti ho [??]
>[6] dil kya cheez hain janam jaan tere naam karta hain [Jaan tere naam]
>[7] mera dil be kitna pagal hain [Sajan]
>[8] dil hain ke manta nahin [DHKMN]
>[9] na jane kahan dil kho gaya [Dil]
>[10] khilte hain gul yahan khilke bikarne kho, milte hain dil yahan[Sharmilee]
>
>More anyone?
>
>satish
>

Few that I can think of ...

Dil tho hai dil dil ka.... (Muqq ka sikka)
Dil ka haal sune dil vala (Manna Dey in Anadi)
Dil ke jarokhe mein tujh ko bitakar yaadon ko teri mein dulhan banakar
(Rafi)


-- 
Ramesh Hariharan, Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
The highest form of sanity is to concentrate on the present; be consumed
by it without worrying about the past or the future. (Pat Riley)
From: hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: TEST....
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:23:49 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR







AAAAA

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me the movie names of the following songs ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:42:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.223200.5689@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@nervi.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>
>I would like to know the movie names of the following songs ..
>
>1) Tum aa gaye ho noor aa gaya hai
>2) Tere bina zindagi se shikiva to nahin
above two, Movie: Aandhi
           Music: RD Burman

>3) Is mod se jaate hain
>4) Phir vahi raat hai phir vahi raat hai khwab ki, raat bhar kwhab mein
>dekha karenge tumhe...
>5) Aapki aankhon mein kuch mahake hue se ...
>6) Tere bina jiya lage na..
                   ^^^^ Jaye
3-6 Movie: Ghar
    Music: RD Burman

>7) Dil dhoondtha hai
Movie: Mausam

>8) Beeti na bitayi raina...

Not sure, may be same as 7.

Corrections? Please do.
Addition? Please do.
Flames? Please don't :-).

later,
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Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: raj@tandem.com (Raj Ganesan)
Subject: Marathi movies...
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:32:47 GMT

Hi folks :

I'm trying to restrict this posting to the bay area, but if it
doesn't work and gets around , my apologies. 
Does anybody know if Marathi movies are available on video in the
bay area? I'm talking of Jabbar Patel classics like Jait re jait,
Saamna, Umbertha and Sinhasan. I would really like to see these
again...

Nostalgically,
Raj
From: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Songs with the word "Tu" (or Mai, hum, [a-zA-Z])
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:00:58 GMT
Reply-To: vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: vishram@happy.cc.utexas.edu

How about listing together all songs which include thw word
"Tu" or "Mai" or "Hum" (or any Hindi alphabets) ?? :) :) :)
We can collectively load down all the networks just using
Pnews :) ..... just an idea for the new year

Vishram

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Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: yab@cs.brown.edu (Yashesh Bhatia)
Subject: Re: top-10-of-bachchan..
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:23:32 GMT


|> 
|> 	Even in "Shakti" also, Bachan gave a good performance.  That is the one         of my favourite  Amitab's movies.
|> 	Any comments?.
|> 	
|> 	Srinivas chennamaraja.

True, also some of the other bachchan capers that have been my favourites are 
Trishul and Aakhri Rasta. 


-- 
- Yashesh Bhatia yab@cs.brown.edu
From: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hemant Varma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Sitar lessons in Davis California
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:20:11 GMT
Reply-To: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU
Organization: University of California, Davis

Hey fellow netters I ma writing on behalf of my wife who is 
offering Sitar lessons in Davis California. Classes willbe
held at home. Charges depend on the number of lessons per week
you are willing to come for, and also the level of the student.
For beginners typical charge would be $10/hour and higher for
advanced students. If you are a student at UC/CSU then it would
be slightly lower.you donot have to have a Sitar we have one but are
looking to get another one.
If you are interested please call 916 753 7785 or e-mail varma@relleno.engr.uc             
e-mail varma@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu

Thank you
Hemant
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: shahr@ecf.toronto.edu (SHAH RITESH)
Subject: Re: Ravi Shastri comment  
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:46:48 GMT

*** Stuff Deleted ***

>
>>Anil K. Bangia,                  Hey, I can bat & bowl better than Ravi  Shastri!!
>>Princeton.

Sorry to get off the topic, but the followign has nothing to do w/ music !!

I think absolutely anyone can make that statement and get away with it !!!
With bowling figures that read 10-0-60-0, I am used to seeing him being hit all
around the place at Sharjah Stadium.  Although I must say, he does manage to
get the odd important wicket !

Ritesh Shah
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From: suren@ee.WPI.EDU (Surender Mohan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Re: Songs with"Sanam"
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:38:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.wpi.edu

*> Mera SANAM sabse pyaara hai ... ( Dil Ka Kya Kusoor )

*> TUne DIL mera toda kahin ka naa chhoda SANAM bewaafa .... (Sanam Bewaafa)
  - incidently this song contains "Tu", "dil" and "Sanam" ( all 3 words ).

Enjoy,

			 - Surender
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
From: amir@alex.com (A A Husain)
Subject: Plagiarism ???
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:34:05 +0000

Dear Netters,

At the peril of being completely and utterly flamed, I would like to present my
view on a subject which has been troubling me for some time.

Firstly, let me say that I love listening to, and singing songs from the
subcontinent. However, listening to some of the newer songs, I have been
completely surprised by the ammount of plagiarism ( copying material from others
without their consent) that is taking place.

Where is the originality of the pre 1980's??? Is it too much to ask for songs
such as "Kabhi Kabhi" and other similiar hits??? Granted that there are many good
songs being written nowadays,  but I do feel that a alarmingly high number of songs
are takeoffs of western songs or even from accross the border.

Some of you may argue that copying songs like that is O.K. after all its done
frequently in the west.  My reply to that would be yes, it is done in the
west but the "Cover version" as it is known, is never presented as the artist's
original work.


Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!


Amir.

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: nav@apollo.hp.com (Navaneet Kumar)
Subject: Which CD Clubs is the Best
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:16:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Dear Net Friends: 

I am looking for an Indian Music CD Club/Mail Order
place in Canada/US.

I posted an article on SCI similar to this one and 
received the following response which provides
useful information, but does not categorize various
clubs.

I am looking for a discussion on which clubs are better
with respect to certain attributes, like quality
of service and cost. 


============================================================

There was a thread in rec.music.indian. I got some (about 22) CD's for
my Univs radio station a few months ago from Asmara. They are trustworty.

Enjoy.


Source for Indian Music CDs
---------------------------

    CD House/Rec. Co.             Location               Ph no.
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Asmara CD House             Los Angeles           (310) 390-8339
    Shrimati's                  Berkeley              (510) 548-6220
    World Music Inst.           New York City         (212) 545-7536
    Ali Akbar Coll. Store       San Rafael, CA        (415) 454-6264
    Neelam Audio Video          Philadelphia          (215) 969-1232(eve).
    Oriental Records            Long Island, NY       (516) 746-0140
    Vista International         Edison, NJ            

========================================================================

Thanks

Navneet Kumar
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: chintamani, kalgada and manji
From: sriram@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 26 Dec 92 13:37:23 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

I did some poking around about Chintamani, Kalgada and Manji after
reading a posting that these were creations of Shyama Sastry. The 
search revealed that Devi Brova appears to be the only song in 
Chintamani - but the ragam itself has several definitions depending
on who you want to believe. However, Kalgada and Manji are not
in the same class. There are at least two other songs in Kalgada,
one by Thyagaraja (samayamu yemarake) and one by Vedanayagam Pillai
(seelam nee taa devanaathaa). Manji is even more visible with 
compositions by Dikshithar (2), Swati Thirunal, Vedanayagam Pillai,
Gopalkrishna Bharathi (varugalaamo) and Kavi Kunjara Bharathi. For
those who are interested in these kinds of details, let me suggest
a wonderful book titled Index of songs in Carnatic Music. It is 
compiled by Gowri Kuppuswamy and her son Hariharan. It has a list
of over 10,000 songs, each song described by a five line entry. Each
entry consists of the first few words of the song in english and
devanagari, followed by ragam, taalam, composer, language and a book
(with page number) where the entire sahityam can be found. What makes
this book even more handy is that it also contains further listings
where the index entries are re-arranged by composer, ragam, talam and
language. Of course, as is bound to happen in any venture of this 
magnitude, there are a few gaps and a few errors. For example, I found
that not all 72 of Kotisvara Iyer's melakarta compositions are included.
The book was published about 10 years ago and I paid Rs. 500 for it.

Sriram.

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: tmohan@iastate.edu (Thyagarajan Mohan)
Subject: Re: RTP, Anulomam, Pratilomam, Vilomam
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:48:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.135232.603@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> sriram@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>I have been confused by some recent postings of the fundas of RTP.
>The specific issue is what is pratilomam and what is anulomam. As
>per Prof. Sambamurthy, anulomam is retaining the taalam at the same
>speed and changing the pace of the music to faster speeds (like
>double speed). Pratilomam is the converse, i.e., singing at the 
>same speed and reckoning the taalam at double speed etc. This is
>opposite of what I was led to believe by two recent postings. In
>addition, Prof. Sambamurthy says that singing the pallavi at slower
>speeds while keeping the talam at the same speed is vilomam. 
       The word `viloemam'generally is used to indicate something in the 
reverese order,e.g `viloema chaapu thaaLa'.In the slower speed ,I don't see 
any reverese order.I used to remember`anuloemam' correlating to `anumanthra
sthaayee',the lower octave;thus the `anuloemam refers the slower speed and
`prathiloemam',the faster speed.Keeping the `pallavi' at the same speed and 
varying the speeds of the `thaaLa'may be called as `viloemam'.Some people may 
clarify this.I may be wrong.
> Also, as
>for the retention of eduppu vs. arudi, the learned professor says that
>IF the pallavi is not of sama eduppu, THEN preference should be given to
>retaining the arudi rather than the eduppu during these exercises. Of course,
>due to the change in speed, the only control over this is at the point
>where the speed is switched over. Thus, one has to change speeds not
>at the beginning of the pallavi but at the arudi point. I believe a
>majority of pallavi renditions I have heard have followed this rule
>(I can give specific examples, if anyone wants).
     I am not able to appreciate this concept.During the changes of speeds,how
can the position of `arudhi' be kept constant,or is it meant that speeding up 
or down starts from the latter half of the `pallavi'?You may explain this 
based on one example,I myself give.This was rendered in record by MLV in
`madhyamaavathi' raagaa,`aadhi thaaLaa,kanada gathi',not sama eduppu.
More imporant point is that the Mridhangist is Palghat Mani,who is just after
traditions of the `thaaLaa' and Mridhangham.
                              |
`meenaakshi maa madhurai meena|kshi kaanchi kaamaakshi kaaschi vischaalaakshi'
                              |
     I've separarted the `arudhi'(at kshi).Here,speeding up or down starts 
only at the beginning of the `pallavi' which can be easily followed.
     All the `pallavis' what I heard(includes all veterans like TNS,TVG,TVS,
Mani Krishnaswami,Bombay sisters...) are only like this.
    There was a tradition that people begin RTP in `4 kaLai chavukkam'
and after `prathiloemam',slowly increase the speed to `1 kaLai chavukkam'
and then end the RTP.this might be termed as `viloemam'.
    These are doubts
>                             
>Sriram.

MOHAN
From: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hemant Varma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Tabla accompanist wanted in Davis California
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:14:44 GMT
Reply-To: ez004583@ALCOR.UCDAVIS.EDU
Organization: University of California, Davis

I am looking for  a tabla soloist to accompany wife on the Sitar.
She has her Masters in Sitar and wants to pursue Sitar at a professional
level. If any of you know a tabla soloist living in or aound Davis/Sacramento/
SF area please call at 916 753 7785 or e-mail varma@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu
Thank You
Hemant
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical