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From: chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: Re: Vandersteen discount...
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:49:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.034620.27618@cypress.com> ssr@cypress.com.UUCP (Bapcha/FPGA) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.204324.26572@ncsu.edu> kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul17.170534.26283@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
>>(carl.a.benevit) writes:
>>>
>>>The question was: Can Vandersteen 2CE's be gotten at any discount?
>>>
>>>The answer is yes.
>
>Try Soundex in Berwyn PA.  They advertise on Stereophile.  THeir
>number is 1-800-444-2040
>
>Tell them Bapcha sent ya... (I get no $$ outa it nor do I have an interest
>in SOUNDEX.  Just a satisfied customer.
>
>Bapcha - A very bad boy from Cypress Semiconductor

How much are these things suppose to list for?  Do they really sound
good?  I haven't heard Vandersteens for about 10 year now, so they
should have made some improvements.

eyc

PS:  I own a pair of Valkyries from GNP audio/video in Pasadena.
     I like them better than the Vandersteens for various reasons.
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From: interpol@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Interpol)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Input : Design Acoustics PS-3
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:35:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul26.153532.11158
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


Hi netters...

  I'm looking at inexpensive sub/sat systems, and the model above, Design
Acoustics PS-3, caught my eye.  I'm looking for input on how this model
sounds, any stats on it, and whether or not anyone thinks it's a good buy. 
Please post or e-mail, and I will summarize all responses if wanted.

Thanks in advance.

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From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Re: Best news about LPs...
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:36:35 GMT

Someone mentioned, jokingly, that 78s should never have been replaced by 33s,
and that stereo should never have supplanted mono.

I say, in a way, they were right.  Acoustic 78 reproduction and monaural
recording did have their limitations, but at the time the replacements
for these formats arrived, they simply did not sound as good as the prior
formats.  The same applies, in a way, to CDs and LPs.

At the end of the acoustic era, Victor and Columbia both had acoustic
instruments on the market, that, while expensive, had magnificent volume and
sound quality.  On the other hand, the electronic amplifiers available at
the time were very inefficient and were generally regarded as sounding
inferior to the acoustic 78s.  Eventually electric recording got better.

When Columbia first introduced the microgroove LP to the world, the 78 was
at a state of development where 78 discs sounded very much better than any
LPs that could be pressed at the time.  The early LPs simply did not have
the development to overcome the low quality of their pickups and the poor
mastering techiniques.  It was only convenience that saved the LP.  Eventually,
though, it got better.

The first stereo recording that were made were of low quality.  The format
was released before it had been perfected because someone jumped the gun to
satisfy consumer demand and the rest of the record companies had now choice
but to follow what was now the standard.  Eventually, though, stereo
pressings and cartridges got better.

And now we have the CD.  Certainly they sound good, but it is clear from the
early CDs that the engineers aren't nearly as used to CD mastering as they
are LP, and as a result LPs are still mastered better.  Eventually (and this
day may be here now; I can't say) CDs will sound better than LPs can, assuming
that digital is not an inherently flawed medium, which my ears aren't good
enough to discern.  But CDs are not inherently better than well-maintained
LPs, any more than 33s inherently sound better than 78s.

OK, flame away, folks.



Eric
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From: parataxi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jon Robin King)
Subject: EQ for Sale
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:12:37 GMT

I have a quadraflex 10 band EQ that I am not using that I would like to get rid
 of. A nice unit, but as my system gets better and I lose interest in concert \
tapes, I need it less. It has a tape loop for connecting between two decks and has a disable switch so that it can be passive when not in use. I would like to get $40 OBO. Email or call 415-813-0702.

Thanks.

Jon

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From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Subject: Re: Good Quality Speakers?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:02:10 GMT

Not true!!!

It is very possible to get extremely deep bass out of speakers which
use drivers as small as 8 inches.  I happen to own a pair which
claims to be (nearly) flat down to 30 Hz, and the same company builds
a model which covers clean down to 25 Hz.  Both units employ dual
eight inch drivers in rather large, vented enclosures.  

The maker I am refering to is Paradigm.  I actually listened to their
studio monitors (25-20k) with a test disc.  They truly did provide
clean, powerful tone down to at least 30 Hz.  At these low frequencies,
it is not so much the driver itself that is producing the sounds, it
is the tuned port which is resonating at that frequency.

Giant woofers (>15in) make it easier to move large amounts of air
because they do not need to move as far.  Smaller cones simply need
more excursion capability and a properly engineered cabinet.  They
are quite capable of shaking the walls, yet, at the same time, due
to their lower mass (they are simply smaller, so they are lighter
too) they respond much more quickly, giving a tighter, more accurate
sound.


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From: ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan)
Subject: Velodyne VA-810
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:45:52 GMT

Velodyne is a name I always hear associated with subs. Are they good? In
particular, do they have ACTIVE subs? The ad for the VA-810 showed 'em w/
a green LED in front, so I assume this particular model is... What's their
performance like? How is crossover performed? And at what frequencies?
Are these FAQs? :) I would appreciate if previous users could share their
experiences with me.
THANK YOU!
- Ian
From: andrewb@suite.sw.oz.au (Andrew Bettison)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: need advice for buying a cd player
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:53:13 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <bigstar.712281121@milton> bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel) writes:

> I would strongly suggest listening to both the Rotel 955 and the 965.
> The 955 is ~ $450 while the 965 is ~ $550.

I recently purchased a Rotel 955 AX.  It's got conventional dual
16-bit D to A converters, and sounds pretty good, really.  It has
a minimum of front-panel gimmickry, but does have a remote control.
I reccommend it.

I also listened to the equivalent but more expensive "bitstream
converter" model (955 BX or 965 or somesuch).  Urgh!  A pure tone
about 7 or 8 kHz at about -75 dB (where 0 dB == max output) was
audible while the motor was spinning; I could hear it slide up the
frequency scale as the motor started, so I presume it was some kind
of motor sync signal finding its way into the audio output.  Bletch.

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From: freedmanm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: A/V receiver recs wanted
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: rec.audio
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:37:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.194630.4051@news.Hawaii.Edu>, frankel@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Adam Frankel) writes:
> Getting ready to jump and buy a Sony STR D 2070.  Although I had been 
> considering Yamaha RX-1050, JVC RX-950 VTN as well.  The Sony is cheaper than
> these others (ties with the RX-950).  What I really want is a Yamaha DSP A-1000
> but can't afford the $1300.  Any suggestions recommendations from owners or 
> knowledgable people?
> 
> thanks in advance,
> adam

I have a Yamaha DSP 1000.  And to be honest, there is nothing that compares.  I
bought it the day it was released in the united stated.  It has better channel
separation than anything else on the market and (to most peoples surprise) it
has STEREO info in the rear channels.  Nobody else does that.  Not only that
the amplification is better than that in the RXV-850 (much more dynamic) and is
very CLEAN (approaching that of adcoms)... As far as Sony goes, they SUCK. 
Sorry to spoil all of your fun but..... Sony, if it breaks is going to take
forever to fix, yamaha is much quicker... On top of that, Yamaha is so far
ahead of everyone else, (I.E. They co-developed the digital ProLogic Chip with
Dolby, they have the TRUE 70mm surround mode and 50 db channel separation, and
they invented Digital Soundfield Processing) that it will be state of the art
for many years before anyone else catches up.

							Mike.

P.S.  I am biased but I did a lot of research...
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Subject: Re: CDs and Digital Audio
From: stuartw@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Stuart Woolford)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:43:17 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

chris@dranet.dra.com writes:

>I have a few questions concerning cds and digital audio.

>1) How much memory can a cd hold?

>2) I understand the sampling rate of cd digital audio is 44 khz.
>   How many bits (or bytes) of memory does a sample consist of?

>3) How many seperate signals are stored on a cd? (Just 2 for stereo or 
>   are there more?)

>4) How far away are we from radio stations broadcasting their
>   signal digitally?  Or is this not feasible?

>4) Switching to analog signals: If stereo is 2 signals, how
>   do FM stations broadcast 2 signals at once?

cd is approx.2*44.1Khz*16bits+a couple of percent for other signaling+directories

ie: there is actually a slow-rate data channel available for other data ( I 
believe that some companies are using it for the words to songs, or MIDI data.)

note:these figures are VERY approx..but give an idea...
anyone care to improve???
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From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: information about ONKYO deck wanted
Originator: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:57:46 GMT


Hi, dear netters,

	I want to upgrade my stereo system to all ONKYO components.
I am now considering to buy a deck, but since I've never used ONKYO
deck before, I can't tell which ONKYO deck will be suitable for my
other ONKYO integra components. Can anyone of you kindly give me
some advise? Thanks in advance!

Paul

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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: need advice for buying a cd player
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Jul27.225842.2868@cs.uoregon.edu> pdm@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (peter d. mark) writes:
>
>one more thing i forgot to ask before:
>
>please feel free to suggest particular brands and models.
>how do denon, harmon-kardon, and adcom stack up against
>each other?  (these are available to me locally.)  are
>there other brands i should consider buying through mail-
>order?

Had a shot at the other one by mail. :-)  Of those brands, Denon is
pretty good, don't know Adcom (don't get them in the UK), H-K do good
amps but I'm not too impressed by their CD players.  Rotel is also
worth a listen.  All in my (not very) humble opinion, of course...
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From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Passive radiator speakers
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:31:49 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul19.043941.22071@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:
>> 
>There is also the cute possibility of having adjustable damping, a la Sonus
>Faber. If the passive radiator is actually a normal driver with the voice 
>coil shorted, the motion of the diaphram is damped by ohmic losses in the 
>voice coil. If the voice coil is left open circuit, only mechanical damping
>(usually a factor of 5 less) occurs. It is possible to use any amount 
>of damping between these extremes by shorting the voice coil via a resistor

What about using a capacitor? Couldn't you modify the response of the
radiator to  accentuate the lower frequency output? I know this all
depands on the total transfer function with the cap, but it makes a
neat thought experiment, and something to try if I have the time...

Now that I think of it, doesn't Vandersteen do something similar to
this? The 2c's I have seen have what is called, I think, an electrically
enhanced passive radiator...

Comments, anyone?

Regards,
Gordon.

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From: wash@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Michael Washington)
Subject: Re: Good Quality Speakers?
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.043543.29429@news2.cis.umn.edu> park@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Chongsun Park) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul23.111046.2005@merrimack.edu> desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:
>>     Does anyone know a good pair of speakers that deliver deep bass. I
>>posted earlier about Bose 601's and got a negative response from everyone
>>who replied. I went to one place where a guy showed me Tannoys(?) and I
>>didn't care for them. The bass was no where to be found. It sounded
>>good overall, but I wanted more punch.
>
> As far as I know, we can expect real deep bass only from woofer larger than
> 15 inches in its diameter. I think JBL 4344 or JBL Paragon-55000 or JBL
> Project K2 will give all you need.
>
> chongsun

Also consider Cerwin-Vega speakers.  The make large woofer speakers and have
deep bass.  I have listened to some C-V's, and liked the deep bass, but thought
the speakers I listened to were a bit treble shy.  However, some people like
them.  You must just take the time and visit stereo stores to determine which
speakers give you the sound quality that you are looking for.  Use other 
people's recommendations with a grain of salt.  We all like different things
in life and speakers!.

"Live Long and Prosper!"
 Michael N. Washington

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Best news about LPs...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:48:04 GMT

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

: particularly popular with vinyl fans, is a magic box called
: 'Francenstein'.  (Spelled more or less that way, it's an acronym,
: though I can never remember what for, 'frequency adaptive mutter mumble
: mumble'.)  You hook it up to the analog outputs of your CDP, and at the
: other end to your amp's CD input.  One of the local hi-fi mags tested
: one.
: 
: They were a bit annoyed, on opening it, to find that the entire insides
: had been potted so that they conldn't see what the circuitry was, but
: the measured effect of the box is to cut down on channel separation by
: leaking a bit of the right channel into the left, and vice versa, with
: the amount of leakage varying according to frequency.  (I have a vague
: feeling that if I'd paid more attention in my introductory EE course
: 25-ish years ago, that would probably be enough info to allow me to
: duplicate it. :-)

It could be done with a single inductor or capacitor, depending on how
the leakage increased. If I made such a circuit, I would probably pot
it also. Who would want people to know that their "mumble mumble magic
music maker" that they mortgaged their house to purchase, may have cost
$10 to build?

Bill.
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From: wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood)
Subject: Re: Recordings with deep bass
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:18:17 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Jul 92 14:22:37 GMT, davidl+@pitt.edu (David C Leung) said:

David> In article <182653@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>>Listen to LFO's album FREQUENCIES.  This album has set the standard for
>>deep speaker splitting bass.      

>   Could you post more details?  [never heard of it...]

David> LFO is a group hailing from Sheffield England (an area of the UK famous for its
David> electronic minimalist sound).  

Eh?  I must admit that I'd never sort of figured Def Leppard as an electronic
minimalist sound...

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From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: Money to blow, need good AV receiver or component recommendations
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.032843.19823@coe.montana.edu> osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) writes:
>
>
>I have a budget of appx $1000 - $1500 to spend on a good Prologic receiver,
>or buy it a'la carte.
>
>I've gone and looked at the stuff available in this area, and the pickings
>are pretty slim.
>
>I liked the Pioneer VSX-DS1, but I got some "negative" comments from
>other netters on it.  Which is fine, I'm easy.
>
>I've gotten recommendations to look at Onkyo, but I have no local dealers,
>so need to get a line on which models I should look for to maybe check
>out other places, maybe a trip out to Seattle or somesuch.
>
>I looked at some Yamaha stuff, but haven't found any reviews.
>
>I've been told to stay away from Sony, but who knows?
>
>Anyway, your opinions, comments, even descriptions of what you have and
>like would be cool.

I want the Sony D2070 receiver. I WANT the Sony D2070 receiver. I REALLY
WANT the Sony D2070 receiver.  The D2070 is the only receiver, that I know
of, which operates completely in the digital domain and has at least one
optical digital input.  All operations done on the signals are done
digitally (read very low noise) except for D/A and amplification out to
the speaker. (obviously)  My next system will include such a receiver, and
I have prepared for that fact by making sure my CD player has an optical
digital output. (non-optical would also suffice)

Mark
From: Walt Fong <w_fong@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: RE: NAD and ADCOM for sale
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:32:33 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
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I am interested in purchasing the following:

NAD: 1300 or 1600 pre-amp
NAD: 2400THX amp
Adcom: 535II or 545II amp

Please reply to my e-mail address with approximate prices for those you
have.
Thanks.
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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: 20 or 24 bit digital recording?
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:25:48 GMT

>20 bit recording is only begining to appear in recording studios
>producing the master copies.  The 20bit master MUST transfered to a 16
>bit format as in the case of a CD.  The current technology (DCC omitted)
>CANNOT handle the 20 bit format.  However the accuracy of the 16 bit
>information on the CD may be truer to form when originating from 20 bit
>master than from a 16 bit.

An article in this month's Audio magazine describes a method whereby
a 20 bit recording is passed through a noise shaping filter to produce
a (claimed) more accurate 16 bit master than would be produced if the
recording was originally made with 16 bits.

-- 
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hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
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From: ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan)
Subject: CD capacity
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:53:35 GMT

If I remembered correctly, no estimate of the CD's capacity was > 1 Gbytes.
Well, it so turns out....
Info on CDs are stored in frames. Each frame carries 6 x 2 samples of audio
(192 bits), 1 symbol of track info (8 bits), & 8 symbols of error correction
(64 bits). However, they use eight to fourteen modulation (to make the discs
more "readable") which somehoworother extends each 8 bit symbol to 17 bits.
This is a total of 561 bits per frame (6/44,100 seconds). PLUS, 27 bits are
added for synchronization, so that the CDP knows where the frame begins,
making a frame 588 bits long. The original data was 192 bits long, but in
the real world CD, it is made to be 588 bits (> 3x) long. Therefore...
total capacity is 588 * 44,100/6 * 74 * 60 / 8 /1024^3 = 2.234 Gbytes.

Just to be a bit clearer, the 6 two-channel samples take up 192 bits =
24 x 8bits = 24 symbols. These are also extended to 17 bits in the EFM.

So there! That's the correct estimate for what's inside a CD. Sure alot of
stuff, eh?
- Ian

For further info, see "The Compact Disc" by Erik S. Schetina.

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From: p0p4018@zeus.tamu.edu (PREMTHAMKORN, PRAKIT)
Subject: ADCOM GFP-565 Preamp for Sale
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:30:00 GMT

ADCOM GFP-565 Preamp., sonically and cosmetically perfect condition.
Have original Box and manual.

Asking $420 includes shipping

Inquiries: by e-mail or phone: 409-846-6851  


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