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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 10 Jan 1993 04:32:59 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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A Richard Darwin (who _is_ that guy?) quote from one of
DHenry's earlier posts, asking something like, "I wonder
how he shaves?" got me thinking about Rogue and Colossus
and hair.

About Rogue:  her invulnerability must not include her hair,
since she would not be able to cut it or bleach it.  But then,
I wonder why we never see her hair burning off or being pulled
in battle.  Of course, if her invulnerability does cover her
hair, perhaps that is the real reason she wears body-covering
outfits -- to hide her abundance of unsightly body hair.  Bleah.

About Colossus:  his invulnerability whilst in OrganoMetal (TM)
form definitely includes his hair.  What I am wondering about
him is if he had as much body hair as his buddy Wolverine, would
he have tough, metal spikes sticking out of his body when metal?

-Jon Kung, wondering how Rogue kept her hair bleached during her
vacation in the Savage Land, seeing as how it grew out so
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: FAQ: X-Men Characters
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:33:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz) writes:
>In article <03JAN93.23357955.0063@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:

> trivial remake
>>Charlotte Jones: FA: X-Factor #51
>>                 LA: UX #294
>>                 Charlotte is romantically linked to Warren (Archangel).

>    it may be noted that Charlotte entered the Ship of X-Factor while the
>  other cops weren't (forgot issue), she may be a mutant (hopefully without
>  a silly power).

It's true! She's a mutie!

She has the power to gain access to penetrate MutantsOnly (tm) fields!
(talk about a stupid power	I-)	)

					Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: UX#298: Letters Page Bigot
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:43:22 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

I know this has nothing to do with the current storyline (or maybe it does),
but It simply amazes me the vehement bigotry that embraces so many people.
My God it's so deeply embedded in this society I'm sure it'll take decades
to ween it to a more tolerant and kinder society.  Jami Johnson is such a
blatant example of this "ugly" trait.  It was nice, however, to see the
restrained yet sharply contrasting reply Bob Harris gave to that willfully
hateful fan.  I find Marvel's (as well as D.C.'s and others') move toward
tolerance a refreshing and enlightening challenge.  Afterall, a good number
of comics fans are preteens and slightly older.  Perhaps Marvel, like others
is doing it part to help change this great nation of ours, and perhaps the
whole world and to help bring a little tolerance into the lives of mostly
young boys who might've otherwise grown up to be hateful of those they don't
understand, and perhaps, even give others a little hope and a sense of
self-respect.

So, until Northstar & the Illuminator become best friends.....a well even if
they do ;-)  ....Make Mine Marvel.
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: The Cloak and Dagger Curse (was Re: X-Men & Doom Patrol)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:33:34 GMT
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In article <C0IwDr.Jyy@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
)...although those are darned interesting parallels. Almost makes me want to
)trot back out my Cloak and Dagger are Viral Book-killer proof, just for
)fun...

	I wonder if Fabian Nicieza knows about the proof? Cloak and Dagger
just showed up in _New Warriors_. Let's see what happens to that book.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Cable's new look
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:11:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.124837.1@tesla.njit.edu>, pvs8496@tesla.njit.edu writes...
>> 
>> Well, Cable's back and he looks a little different.  All those who think
>> Marvel's found a quick and dirty method to avoid Rob Liefeld sueing them
>> over his alleged creation of Cable, raise your hands!!
> 
>Where, what did I miss?

	You missed the latest issue of Previews, whose back cover has the
cover (maybe) of the new Cable series. He's wearing a new costume/body armor,
has changed his hairstyle, and grown a goatee.

>huh!?

	Sorry. That comment is only for when people say Youngblood is a good
comic book. ;-)

>Has the new series begun?!

	No, it starts in March.

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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re:  Bishop Energy Redirection
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:28:50 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Ian David Bremner) writes:
>	Would Bishop be able to shoot himself (say, in the foot, :D) with
>	an ENERGY weapon and give himself a charge?

This reminds me of how the late (HA!) Sebastian Shaw used to
go around punching walls to get himself powered up before entering
a battle.

>       What blast would be
>	more effective?  Should he simply shoot the enemy with the ENERGY
>	weapon or should he shoot himself and use a (better?) channeled
>	blast?

I think that a blast coming from Bishop's body would be of
lesser power than the original.  I don't know why, but I do.
Perhaps some of the incoming blast is taken by Bishop to fuel
his power.

-Jon Kung
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Subject: X-Men:TAS
From: smccoll@alabama.cse.utoledo.edu (Scott T. McColl)
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:03:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: The University of Toledo


	This weekend the X-men are on for an hour. Is this the first
	2 half-hour shows? Or something new? Thanks.

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From: acfrodo@IASTATE.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed (Was: Dumb post- can't help it...)
Reply-To: acfrodo@IASTATE.EDU ()
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:35:33 GMT

In article <C0F3vA.Hqp@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
writes:
> In a listing of what made the "first" X-Men (pre-#94) good, one fan listed:
> 
> >Here's what a die hard fan thinks:
> >
> >Actually, some of the pre-#94 stuff was pretty enjoyable too.
> >Also quite a few of the key plot concepts of the Claremont years started
> >then.  Eg. Among the pre #94 stuff we have : 
> >
> >1)	Mutants as outcasts of society,
> >2)	Magneto and Prof X as opposite sides of the mutant cause,
> >3)	Jean and Scott's somewhat tedious relationship,
> >4)	Introduction of Banshee, Polaris and Havok,
> >5)	The Sentinels
> >6)	The Adams/Thomas stories, in particular the ones about the
> >	Sentinels and the Savage Land.
> >7)	The origin of the Juggernaut.  I thought the first battle
> >	against the Juggernaut was one of the most exciting X-men stories
> >	ever.
> >8)	The Danger Room and Cerebro(sp?).
> >9)	The original X-men when they were the new mutants !
> 
> Quite so! It also introduced the Stranger, one of my favorite Marvel cosmic
> beings, if only because he's still "mysteriously cosmic" after all these
> years because nobody uses him much. Sauron made his first appearance in
> the early X-Men, as did the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (indeed, the BOEM
> fought the school right through from #3-5, an almost unheard of plot thread).
> The Blob showed up early on, as did the tragic Unus. Okay, I admit, there
> also was Locust and Grotesk, and the end-of-the-series "peace meld" by Xavier
> was kind of hokey, but one could almost point to the Factor Three storyline
> as a precursor to the now-endless mutant vs. mutant crossovers.
> 
> >All in all, quite a lot of good stuff although probably a lot less 
> >sophisticated compared to Claremont's work.
> 
> Oh, yes. The by-now-classic Perspective-Vanishing Point X-Logo also appeared
> in the early series.
> 

And one cannot forget the first appearance of the ever popular mutant menace
(ha) the Vanisher  in issue ...4(?)

By the way, I've been out of my Xmen reading for a while, stopped not long after
the NM 100/Xforce 1, and have been reading peacemeal up till collecting all of
the Xecutioners Song.  My question, what the !@#$ happened to Longshot?  I liked
him as a character.

Tony Forsmark
acfrodo@iastate.edu

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From: weasel@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:36:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.160432.26476@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stailey@comm.mot.com writes:
>
>* Ok people I'm Baaack. Just checked out previews last week and as my title
>* suggests cable is getting his own book. About Time!  This comic picks
>* Art Thribert to do the drawing. Not a prob.  Cables gone through some shit.
>* The book shows us a Cable WHO IS (sorry) who is a little older than our
>* usual incarnation. Apparently he's got a wife and some kiddies. He gets to
>* fight with some Externals I think. They use Garrison as the narrative voice.
>* He's reforming the Pack. Theres alot of stuff that I don't remember however
>* Nacienza said in the interview that Cable and Stryfe are the Same.  Can someone
>* explain this to me?? Yes I'm slow but help me anyway.
>
>
>  The new series takes place in the future, not necesaarily the future
>  of the current Marvel Universe. Due to some bizarre circumstances, he
>  has no recollection of his battle with Stryfe and there resulting "death".
>  In this future, Cable is married with a family and is in the process
>  of reforming his old group. In the process, I don't quite know how, he
>  is transported back to the present Marvel universe timeline and has to 
>  deal with all the stuff that transpired that he no longer remembers.
>  If Fabian can pull it off, it should be a very interesting series.
>
>
>  --
>  Michael                      
>  stailey@comm.mot.com     

Are you sure it's reforming his old group and not forming it?  If you go back
to Cable's first few appearances (before they'd really dredged up the whole
future/past/present/sideways garbage) someone asks Cable why he hates Stryfe
so much and Cable's response is "Because he killed my son."  Could the family
he has in the upcomming series be that family and the series actually takes
place pre-Cable appearance in New Mutants (pre in Cable's time line, even if
chronologically it's in the future)?

Of course, this would only make sense and would mean the writers/editors were
paying attention to what they (or someone else, e.g. Louise Simonson (sp))
wrote a few years ago, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

	--Mike

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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:17:08 GMT
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In article <1iqdno$6n9@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>For those of you who didn't know, FOX showed the first two episodes
>of its X-Men cartoon this past Saturday morning.  I read earlier
>about how there would be new animation, cut footage included, etc.
>
>I supposed the additional animation meant the "Upcoming episodes"
>stuff.  What did I miss?  (of course, it's been awhile since my
>original viewing)

	It was mostly little details.  The picture Gyrich showed to 
Jube's foster folks had pictures of Rogue and Storm as they appeared
in the mall.  (In the 1st run, the pic had her in costime.)  
Also, the brief scene with Jube at the X-mansion, while she was still
captured was changed.  (How, I fergit.)  When Rogue drained Wolverine,
the hand was redrawn so that she touched him with her bare hand, instead of
having the green bodysuit under the glove touch him.
	Those were the ones I caught.  It didn't really help the generally
weak quality of animation, which got worse as the episode progresed
(probably due to the rush to get it out), and the generally weak story.
However, the characterization and voice acting was okay.   
-- 
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From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:01:19 GMT
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In article <1993Jan12.001517.6622@ncsu.edu> jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu writes:

:In article <wfIN62S00VozE3Xm4W@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Pronko
:<punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
:>> Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
:>well, putting them in would be hell.
:P'raps.  Scotty's immune to his own beams, and the contacts would (presumably)
...
:More likely, it's because Scott's glasses can be flipped away in a heartbeat.
:Contacts are a BIT harder to remove quickly.

I thought that all his eye, not just the part that would be covered by
contacts, exuded that extradimensional force?

						...Mike

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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:13:49 GMT

In article <1gl0l5INN2s0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cbuteau@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W
 Buteau) writes:                                                    
                                                  
>       How Madelyne got the phoenix force is a story that is slowly
>told over the pages of Inferno.  What happened was when the Phoenix killed
>itself (on the moon, remember??) , it returned to awake Jean Grey.  But it
>returned to Jean with all the memories of all it had done.  Jean rejected it,
>and because of this she did not come out of stasis until she was found later.
>The Phoenix looking for a host found the template Madelyne Pryor 
>(Sinister's creation he was into cloning) which had
>not been conscious before.  Upon awakening Madelyne shouted 'Scott' the same
>word the phoenix had shouted on the moon before committing suicide.  The 
>essence of the phoenix was accepted by Jean Grey in the tail end of Inferno.
>So whatever is left of the phoenix and Madelyne Pryor is now a part of
>Jean Grey.
>
This whole mess got retconed in Excalibur #52.  Now, Phoenix discovered Rachel
Summer's astral body over the United States.  Phoenix 'sends' Jean's soul
in a little essence of itself while it follows the astral form to the world
of 2013 we saw in UX #141-142.  So there's no Phoenix for Jean Grey to reject
because its in 2013 convincing Kate Pryde to let it bond with Rachel and take
Rachel to 1980s.  {Retcon happy Marvel rides again}  How this alters the 
Madelyne Pryor connection I have no idea and that issue doesn't say.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Double Trouble in X-MEN #1?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:48:54 GMT

I was looking at the big bonanza issue of X-MEN #1 (the one that
has all the covers and all the pinups of the other four), and I realized
something. In the "Wish you were here" pinup (all the X-Men are lounging
around the pool), we have what looks to be 2 appearances by 2 characters!

1) Jubilee is posing with Colossus and is on Beast's back as he is diving
into the pool. (_That_ explains her double appearance in X-MEN:TAS! :D)

2) Psylocke is lounging in the front (how can you miss her?) and appears
to be standing by Iceman. (Although that could be Opal, his then-girlfriend.)

Jay (=
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:56:21 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>>So sorry, then. Rogue's been in all the five main X-books since the Muir
>>>Island incident, and has absorbed nobody. She's just flown around and
>>>bopped things. 
>>>
>>Which of course she shouldn't be able to do because Carol Danvers' had been
>>separated from Rogue...except that that's *all* Rogue seems to do these days.
>>When *was* the last time Rogue used her absorption powers?
>
>The last time I read was in DEATH's HEAD II #1; I don't know when the last
>X-appearance was.

I see I should start running this as a monthly FAQ.

Rogue's last absorbtion in an X-title was in Uncanny, during the latest
Savage Land storyline. She absorbed Worm (off-panel) to get the slaves out
of the falling Tower of Zaladane. The last absorbtion she did on panel was
in the story where she's pooted out of the Siege Perilous, and where she
both absorbs Gateway and Ms. Marvel.

Her last absorbtion period was in Death's Head II #1, where, showing the
tactical genius that made her such a threat in ROM, she tries absorbing the
cyborg.

"*I'm* the neurotic, *you're* the psychotic." --Rogue to Richard Darwin
"Oh, yeah. Right."
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed (Was: Dumb post- can't help it...)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:25:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>6) Is there any sort of source book or history of the X-men available that
>>I could pick up to help me look like I know what I am talking about? IF not,
>>why not? Seems to me that such a book is ripe for the market now...
> 
>Lessee, the best thing i know of is...

	some good stuff deleted

>...  Oh, yeah, and X-Men Classics (aka
>Classic X-Men) has been reprinting the books in order (with a couple of skips
>early on) starting with GS#1/#94.  The pre-94 stuff is more or less 
>negligible unless you're a die hard fan.  It bears ABSOLUTELY no resemblance
 ^^^^^^^^^                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to the X-Men of today.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's what a die hard fan thinks:

Actually, some of the pre-#94 stuff was pretty enjoyable too.
Also quite a few of the key plot concepts of the Claremont years started
then.  Eg. Among the pre #94 stuff we have : 

1)	Mutants as outcasts of society,
2)	Magneto and Prof X as opposite sides of the mutant cause,
3)	Jean and Scott's somewhat tedious relationship,
4)	Introduction of Banshee, Polaris and Havok,
5)	The Sentinels
6)	The Adams/Thomas stories, in particular the ones about the
	Sentinels and the Savage Land.
7)	The origin of the Juggernaut.  I thought the first battle
	against the Juggernaut was one of the most exciting X-men stories
	ever.
8)	The Danger Room and Cerebro(sp?).
9)	The original X-men when they were the new mutants !

All in all, quite a lot of good stuff although probably a lot less 
sophisticated compared to Claremont's work.  
There must have been quite a few dumb stories as well, but they 
escape the memory.
I still wish Marvel would do reprints of the better stories though.

>
>>7) Why is it that when I was a kid I knew Spider-man, The Hulk, Iron Man,
>>even the Silver Surfer, but I had never even heard of the friggin X-men
>>when they've been around for 30 years??!!?? Christ, I feel like I lived
>>in  a hole every time my kids ask me how "The Angel" became "Arch-Angel"....

X-men was one of my favorite books when I was a kid, actually.
Maybe because they were still in "school".  All the rest, except Spiderman
seemed too grown-up.  And Spiderman was in college, and basically a loner. 

I guess that's why many contributors to the net also regard the 
early New Mutants with such affection.

> 
>The X-Men's sales STUNK all through the 60's.  At the end, not even 
>Neal Adams and Roy Thomas could save the book, and with #66 it went into 
>reprints until it was resurrected at #94 (and the rest is history...)
>
>JRjr
>>
>>
>>			thanks,
>>
>>
>>						gln

Regards,

K.C. Goh

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From: sinjyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fred Sunghoon Chee)
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Keywords: Magneto and the acolytes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:47:52 GMT


Again I pose the question.
Where did the Acolytes come from?  Didn't they "die" whith Magneto?
I thought only Fabian COrtez escaped, the rest died with their leader.
Did Cortez just reform the group?