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From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.183830.17931@pts1.pts.mot.com>, ep502ca@pts (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091) writes:
>What's the best wat to convert an 883 to 1200. I've heard there are a number of
>methods to do this.  What are the pros and cons of each.
>  1) Change to 1200 jugs and use Harley factory pistons and have combustion
>     chambers modified.
>  2) Bore cylinders to 1200 size and use factory pistons and modify heads.
>  3) Bore cylinders to 1200 and use Wiseco pistons with no head changes.

4) First there's no need to buy 1200 cylinders.  There is no difference
between bored 883 cylinders and 1200 cylinders.  One of the cycle mags
did a hop up of an 883 and got an estimated 75 HP out of it with 1200
conversion, ignition, pipe, air filter and jetting.  They used stock
1200 pistons and rather than increasing the chamber volume and went
with a dual plug conversion running something like 12-1 compression.
They said it ran fine on premium gas.  I understand the 1200 head has
larger valves, but the conversion described will still smoke it for
fewer bucks.  They figured with a little more work (cams and carb,
etc.) they could get over 90 streetable HP.

>Will the lighter Wisecos keep the vibration downs? I'm worried
>that the heavier 1200 pistons will shake alot.

It will vibrate more with the larger pistons.  Stock 1200s out-shake
883s.  When is Harley gonna come out with a RubberSport?  DynaSport?

- )V(ark)<
From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: in search of SS350 parts
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:50:07 -0500
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
Distribution: world
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Wanted:

	Parts to convert a Harley Davidson 1974 SS350 (street model) to an
	SX350 (dir model). I will trade misc HD sprint or sportster
	parts or pay cash.

	Call (215)-338-6484 and ask for AJ (or leave a message if you
	like)

	thank you,

	AJ (posted by tener@cs.widener.edu)
	if you wish to reply via email please reply to the above
	address.
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:23:10 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec14.005510.25251@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rtayloe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert W Tayloe Jr) writes:
>
>I recently (October) got a black 93 FXDL Dyna Low Rider.  This is my first
>Harley and is a great bike! I bought it at Farrow's HD in Columbus.  I really
>liked the laid back attitude of the Harley folks that I've met.  The cold
>weather is limiting the riding time and I'm looking forward to spring for
>some longer rides.

Congrats!  I'm glad you like it, Ill be picking mine up in March.  Same model
but in blue.  There was a time when I liked winter, now I can't wait for
Spring.  The way it looks we might be in for a long wait.

- Jerry
 
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From: rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee)
Subject: Re: 883 to 1200 Conversion
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.150713.8418@pts1.pts.mot.com> ep502ca@pts.mot.com writes:
> 
>>The dealer I'm getting my 1200 from told me his mechanics had done several
>>of the 883 to 1200 conversions, but had problems with the bikes vibrating
>>even more than a factory 1200.  They ended up splitting the cases on the
>>bike to rebalance the crank.
>
>
>Did the dealer use the factory 1200 pistons?  I heard these pistons are 53 grams
>heavier than the 883 parts.  This would cause the balance of the motor to be way off.
>
>I heard the forged 1200 Wiescos are lighter.  Does anyone know if they weigh the same
>as the factory 883 pistons?  Has anyone had any experience with these?  Perhaps
>the phone number for Wiesco?
>
>thanks,
>Chuck
>

I recently asked several HD dealers about 883 -> 1200 conversions and
the need for rebalancing. Here are the conversations:

Glendale Harley-Davidson:

Q: "Do you do 883 to 1200 conversions?"
A: "Yes, we do the factory standard conversion"
Q: "Do you need to rebalance the crank assembly?"
A: "A standard XLH 883 crank assembly is balanced at the HD factory for 65 mph.
   Using factory 1200 pistons and the HD template for milling the heads
   to lower compression, HD tells us that the balance would shift to 70 mph. 
   It is HD's opinion that rebalancing is not necessary."

Harbor City Harley-Davidson:

Q: "Do you do 883 to 1200 conversions?"
A: "Yes, we do the factory standard conversion"
Q: "Do you need to rebalance the crank assembly?"
A: "We've found no need to rebalance the crank assembly when converting from a
   standard XLH 883 to a 1200 using the standard factory 1200 pistons."

Bartels' Harley-Davidson:

Q: "Do you do 883 to 1200 conversions?"
A: "Yeah, we do our own milling and porting of the heads so its actually
   faster than a standard 1200. We can also put dual plugs if you want."
Q: "Is it reliable?"
A: "I've got 4 racers out there now." 
Q: "Do you need to rebalance the crank assembly?"
A: "Nah, no need"

note: Bartels' answer seemed a little too vague and general for me but then
      again they're rich, they have their own performance product line, and
      they have their own racing team, so they can afford to be vague. Besides,
      what does a middle class income guy like me know? 

It would seem to me that going to a larger displacement would almost certainly
cause more overall vibration. I doubt that any sort of rebalancing could reduce
the vibration back to the level of an 883. 

Rich

| 92 XLH 883 | email: rich@godzilla.quotron.com |
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:12:36 GMT


>My kids pediatrician whos often on TV concerning his work with Yugo
>orphans(he was a peter jennings man of the week) informed me he
>is going to buy a Harley for his living room. I've probably bought
>it for him.
 
     Remind him of that, maybe he'll let you ride it once in a while.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
 

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: FXSTS Custom Help
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:47:29 GMT


>1. Possibly lowering the rear (ala White Bros).  She is 5'3", and sat on a
>   lowered springer in August; liked the lower center of gravity.  Does anyone
>   have experience with the degree of loss of cornering?  Is it significant for
>   a cruiser, or only relevant if you are playing roadracer?

   Look in Harley oriented mags (eg Easy Riders, Outlaw Biker) for
an ad that starts "Attention softtail riders". They have a kit that
lowers and stiffens the rear suspension. I don't know how good their
stuff is, but they've been around for a while. Lower means less lean
angle before parts start banging on the ground. Stiffer (up to a point)
means better handling.

>2. Some chrome work, including swingarm, brake components, lever assemblies. 
>   Stainless steel oil/gas lines, cables, etc.  If anyone has suggestions about    quality of the suppliers of these components (good or bad!), we'd appreciate
>   it.

    For critical structural members, deal only with well known reputable
shops. If the plating is done wrong, hydrogen embrittlement can cause
parts to break unexpectedly. (It happened to a (late) friend).

>3. Are the stock shocks (springer and rear) decent, or are there any that will
>   make a real difference in the handling?  She has no complaints now, but we're   curious.

     A lot depends on how the bike is used. The stock components are
adequate for the average rider. Aftermarket suspension modificatons
can make this as much of a canyon racer as a 600+lb bike can be,
but the only difference the average rider will see is that it rides
like a truck.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
			Racer Brown  1954
=====================================================================


From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:51:40 GMT
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) /  2:19 pm  Dec  8, 1992 /

     Now Rich, don't be too hard on them. Afterall, when something
else gets to be trendy, there will be a lot of vertually unused
bikes available to real riders at used prices.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.
----------
The Ducatis are the trendiest motos at the moment. In fact, over at the
local Suzuki/Ducati dealer in Santa Clara the manager is getting customers
who just sold their Harleys but the CA helmet law has played a role there.
Quite a few of them figure that since they have to wear a helmet they may
as well get a more sporting bike with a v-twin and the Ducati izzit.

Joke has it that people are buying Ducatis so they can get laid because 
very pretty young ladies think they're sexual especially the red ones
so when a Ducati rider parks his bike and removes his helmet ask him
this, "So, have you gotten any yet?" ]%^)

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
'Curb Your Dogma'

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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.215346.19488@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <82490021@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>|
>|The Ducatis are the trendiest motos at the moment. 
>
>Not here.  In the Chicago area, Harleys, bulletbikes, `Bagos, and UJMs still
>rule, in that order.  The local Ducati dealer doesn't even have any on the
>floor, and hasn't since mid summer.
>

Try M&M cycles in Villa Park. They had about 6 on the floor latter part
of july. Some used. They had an 851 w low miles some doctor thought better
of.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
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From: oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg)
Subject: Oil Cooler Questions
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:53:50 GMT

I have a '92 XLH (1200 Sporty) and I'm wondering whether or not
to get an oil cooler- it can get kinda warm here in the summer.

If the answer is yes, is it easy enough for a minimally mechanically-
inclined person to install or should I have the shop do it?

Thanks in advance,

Ed

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:13:37 GMT


>Yugo orphans are kids whose parents were killed by being run over
by a Yugo?

    Some are kids whose parents went to the market 4 or 5 years ago
in a Yugo and haven't made it back yet.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
 

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:09:08 GMT


>In article <1992Dec11.112956.9666@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>doh designations are 10 digits.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^
>
>That sounds like a metric system.  Harleys aren't metric.

   I can live with that, give me 3 31/32.




Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
			Racer Brown  1954
=====================================================================



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From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Keywords: doh
 
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:29:58 GMT

alright,  Ken,  what does doh stand for?
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:33:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: HARLEYS SUCK -- NOT!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) /  3:47 pm  Dec  7, 1992 /
In article <gjg2001-031292211300@m248-97.bgsu.edu> gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Gantzer) writes:
 
>The real question is, why would you want to own one.  They are some of the
>biggest pieces of shit to ever be built.  The Japanese make a far superior
>product.  It's gung-ho, redneck, "Buy American" shouting fools like

I figure it all comes down to what you like.  If you want a cruiser, as
opposed to a touring, sport or racing bike, I am in the majority when I say
that Harley IS the best!  There is NOTHING that comes close to the feel,
sound and looks of a Harley.  I concede that a Japanese big twin cruiser is
superior in some ways, but with all of its technology it has lost in
its quest to imitate the "call of the hog".  My first cruiser was a 750 Honda
Shadow, but am now looking for Harley.  Why should I buy an imitation when I
can now own the real thing?  Harley has defined what a cruiser is.

*** Imitation Harleys are considerably cheaper than the real thing which
*** influences many buyers under budget constraints. Since they can't
*** afford a big twin and don't want to put up with the limits of 
*** the Sportster they go for Vulcans, Shadows and Intruders. 

>yourself that prop-up this weak, poor quality manufacturer of motorcycles. 

Poor quality?  Harley has nothing but improved its quality with the Evo engine
and belt drives.

*** Difference between Harleys of today and yesterday is remarkable much
*** like the difference between the old Triumphs and John Bloor Triumphs
*** so what was once true is no longer valid in this day and age.


>Why don't you just face the facts, buy the superior product and let an old
>hasbeen like Harley die gracefully instead of slowly and painfully like its
>doing now.

Reviewing your slandering statements above, me thinks you are tad behind
the times, referring to Harley Davidson 10 or more years ago.

Fact: Harley is the largest seller of big displacement bikes.

*** Correct!

Fact: Cruisers have become the most sought after bike in America, and as a
cruiser, harley is the most sought after bike period.

*** I'm not sure about that category as I'm almost positive that the
*** sportbikes are #1 which run from 500cc to 1200cc models. 

Fact: Harley-Davidson, the company, has become an American success story.
Bikes are on back-order and employees are putting in overtime - they just
can't put out the bikes fast enough to meet demand.

*** Affirmative. Same for the new Triumphs, too. 

Harley Davidson is very much alive and kicking and predictions are, it will
remain to be so for a very, very long time.  With such a popular product,
how can it be anything else?

-Jerry

*** How about a John Bloor Triumph? :-)   

*** Graeme Harrison
*** DoD#649
*** 'Hit The Road And Let The World Go To Hell.'
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 88 Fat Boy
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:43:56 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <46fO02ca2ec001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>
>Well, I have to admit that I just bought a windshield for my Softail 
>(FXSTC). I got tired of getting frozen/beaten-to-death-by-rain on my 
>winter commutes up 101. Boy, it sure does make a difference. Of course 
>
A windshield would help today.  A major storm is on its way, predicting
3" snow changing to high winds and frozen rain.  Hmmmm... think I'll take
the cage to work this morning.

- Jerry
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:31:33 GMT

>> Great I hate hondas, so I guess I'll take #0000000005.
>
>Finally! a group that gives great attitude. DOH # 0069.


   Ok, if your ging to be like that and take my favorite number,
give me     00000000074.0000

Ed Campbell

'57 FLH
'76 XLCH
'54 GA
From: larsn@Autodesk.COM (Lars Nyman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Harley Golf Cart
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:29:09 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

...so I called Customer Service (414.935.4329) and they say:

"... for brochures, press 1,
 ...
  for information about Harley golf carts, TVs and VCRs, press 3,
 ..."

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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Softail comfort
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:06:01 GMT


>Well, the thing is, it's the seat ridge, and the fact that cruisers
>(sorry to use that term, if it pisses on anyone?  Is there a better
>one to differentiate the average HD position from, say, a Sportster
>Upright?) force my pelvis forward by pushing on my tailbone.  Because
>of an old riding accident, that just doesn't work for me.  I need to
>have my pelvis back a bit, with the weight on my, uh, gee, I just
>ran out of anatomy terminology, well, just forward, like riding a
>horse.

   Oh, I see. Something that would probably be a help on any bike
is an aftermarket solo seat with short or no springs. There is no
back hump, and the seat tilts back somewhat. I have one on my 
Sportster and the Panhead, once I got used to the tilt, they are
really comfortable.

>It's not the bent knees that hurt, it's the butt.

   Moving your feet around changes your whole seating position. On
a long ride, even the little movement of resting heels and then
toes (tose for Quayle fans) on the pegs makes a big difference.
Footboards double the room you have to move in.

>Is it possible to get a, say, (let's see if I get this right) FXST-Sp
>(is that right?, the sport-touring BT that the Jap mags like) so that
>the bars are far enough forward to slant the body forward a bit, like
>on BMW K bikes?  I think you are saying that you can get rearsets to
>move the feet back if necessary.  I'm not looking for a tuck, or a
>long reach to the bars, but just a forward balance.

     You can get bars ranging from straight across to eyeball high
ape hangers. The bars are clamped on, so they can be rolled as far
forward or back as far as you like. It sounds like you would be
comfortable with a set of bars a little above elbow high with a
mild pullback (You can take your choice, there are a lot of after
market bars like this) rolled to about 4 to 6 inches farther forward
than stock. Even the stock bars re-adjusted forward, especially
with a solo seat, could turn out to be just right. The master
cylinder will hit the bend in the right bar, limiting control
position adjustment when pulling the bars back, but in your case
this wouldn't be a problem. Just loosen the riser clamp, position the
bars where you like them and then set the clutch, brake, and throtle
stop where they feel right.


    This is one of the things I like about Harleys, you can do a
lot of "personalizing" without hurting them.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
 
 
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:21:50 GMT

>>
>>doh stands for "denigrators of hondas".
> 
>Great I hate hondas, so I guess I'll take #0000000005.
 
     Sounds good to me, can I have 000000069.00000?

  Ed Campbell

'57 FLH
'76 XLCH
  My other car is a '54 Servicar

==============================================================

 "Acid:   A substance that allows you to visit strange places
  without a passport"
			OZ Biker 1992
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From: mcfar@unislc.uucp (Tom McFarland)
Subject: Re: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLCi
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:49:08 GMT

I know of a 1993 XLH1200 (RED) that came through the Green River, Wyo.
dealership last October for 7589.75 (not including sales tax or lisc).
The bike had the following equipment:

	backrest with sissybar
	luggage rack
	sidebar (chrome covers for the above)
	sport wind screen (116.95)
	highway pegs
	cushion grips

I think the dealer's numbers were $6895 for the bike plus 300 setup and 
414.75 for accessories.

Tom
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