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From: grp@dmu.ac.uk (Graham Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Request Info: Code Analysis Tools
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:26:15 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK.


>I would appreciate pointers to software tools that perform low level program
>analysis (on any procedural language).  I'm looking for something that I
>can build on for further reverse engineering into the domain, so the
>analysis data (eg. intermediate representation) should be accessible.

Try Mark Harman at School of Computing, University of North London,
Holloway Road, London N7 8DB, U.K.  I think his username is 11HARMANM
but if not you can mail 11DANICICS (sebastian), and ask him to forward
any messages.  The JANET address is UK.AC.UNL.CLSTR

Mark has just finished a PhD in which he looked at ripping up Pascal
programs, building functional equivalents, reasoning about modularity
and correctness, and then rebuilding "better" Pascal programs.
He has some software that may help, and if not he will certainly know
of others.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: jliptak@katmandu (John Liptak)
Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:33:10 GMT

In article <1k1tasINNan0@andre.d.umn.edu> kpierce@andre.d.umn.edu (Keith Pierce) writes:
>I believe that University courses CAN teach students
>industrial-strength processes, because I've been doing it.
>
[ description of project deleted ]
>
>I felt that this project gave students a good dose of reality, and
>showed them how a good process can work to create high-quality,
>maintainable software.

  As a someone who took the Software Engineering course described,
  I would add a few observations:

  1. When I took the course, the system to be altered was a Ada style
     analysis program.  The current system to be altered (I think) is
     a Pascal compiler.  Both systems have very exact inputs, outputs
     and specification.  There was no interactive communication with
     the customers to discover what they "really" want.

  2. There was no scheduling or resource allocation analysis.  One was
     allocated a group of people and 10 weeks to do the work end of 
     story.  Book reading about the COCOMO model is not enough.

  3. The overhead in following the industrial-strength processes that
     are reasonable when the people you need to talk to are in the next
     cube makes those processes VERY difficult to follow in a school 
     environment with different schedules for everyone.

  These are not problems with the course, one can do only so much during
  a ten week class.  The problem is that CS is still being taught very 
  much like art.  
  
  A student takes many theory courses for the multitude of subjects one
  must learn.  These classes have programming labs that are the equivalent 
  of art studios where sudents practice creating programs.

  Now that you are a senior and want to graduate. NOW you are exposed to
  revision control, coupling & cohesion, software metris, risk analysis
  and software instrumentation.  

  I never saw a software system design with explainations until I read 
  Object-Oriented Design with Application by Booch.

  I believe that University courses CAN teach students
  industrial-strength processes, because I've been taught those processes.

  I DO NOT believe that University courses are currently producing
  "ready to use out of the box" software engineers.  I don't think it
  is the job of any University to produce X11/UNIX/C programmers for
  industry.


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From: wwang@osf.org (Weidong Wang)
Subject: In troff file, how to put a period at the beginnin of a line
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:15:09 GMT


I am using refer (grefer) with numbering format. So if a reference 
is at the end of the sentence, I need to put a period (.)right after
the citation. I cannot put it right after ".]" since it will make
the number not to be superscipt. I need to putt he period at the 
beginning of next line.

But troff treats every line starts with "." as a command line and this
line will be ignored. I tried several possible ways and the only 
woprk around I have now is to put "\ " in front of the period. But 
that introduices an extra space between the citation of the period.

Does anyone know how to do it?

Thanks.

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From: wwang@osf.org (Weidong Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: refer question
Keywords: refer, numbering
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:34:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1993Jan26.143447.24113
Organization: Open Software Foundation


I have a refer question. I hope this is the right group to ask. Or is
there another news group just for troff and/or refer?

Anyway: I have to use the numbering (superscript format) for 
references. And if there are several consecutive references, say 
3,4,5,6,7, I am required to do it as 3-7, instead of 3,4,5,6,7 which
is what refer gives me.

So the question is how do I do it?

Thanks.

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From: npn@alice.att.com (Nils-Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: extended \*(xx sequence for .RS/.RF; is it possible?
Summary: What \* means in troff
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:17:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24722
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Tony Gozdz asks:
A related question: what other structures in troff use
the \*( prefix?  If it's only the \*(Rf/.RS/.RF
construct, would it be difficult to assign variable-length
strings to it? (just a wild guess; I'm not a programmer). 

==
\*( means gobble up exactly the next two characters
and treat it as the name of a string. Strings may be
used by any of the macros: footnotes, references,
table of contents, headers, footers, etc.
\*x, where x is *not* ( means gobble up exactly 1 char.
If string names could be more than 2 chars, about a
million troff documents would stop working, because
folks expect \(abcd to produce "string ab"cd,
not "string abcd".
The syntax was a poor choice, but it is so embedded in
the culture it can't be changed. More modern "languages"
use start and end delimiters, rather than fixed length
tokens, although this does lead to verbosity
(as in \stringname abcd \endstringname).
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mlg@siemens.com (Michael Greenberg)
Subject: Setting variables from outside FrameMaker
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 13:16:48 GMT

I would like to automatically compute the value of a variable when a file
is opened in FrameMaker.  Since this doesen't seem possible, I have
considered two alternative approaches (under UNIX):

 - Write a shell script to convert the file to MIF format (with fmbatch), modify
the definition and then cover the MIF file to maker format (with
fmbatch).

- Write a macro to execute a shell script which computes the value and
then modifies the variable definition.

Questions:

Is there a way to get maker to dynamically compute a variables'
value at file load time, or an easy way to simulate it?

I implemented the shell script method...Is there an easier way to
modify a variable from the Shell?

Is it possible to write a macro as described above?  If so, how do you
do it?


The reason for all of this is that the FrameMaker files are under
configuration management control, and I'd like to insert the version
number from the CM system into the FramMaker document.


Thanks,





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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: billwit@pvi.com (Bill D. Witman x345)
Subject: FrameViewer/FrameReader Tips Wanted
Organization: Precision Visuals, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:33:40 GMT

Does anybody have experience producing online documentation
with FrameViewer and/or FrameReader. I'm heading that route 
and would like to hear any tips, stories, suggestions,
pitfalls, successes, etc.

Also, I'd be interested in hearing about the process you use.
For instance, what kind of delta is there between the hardcopy
files and the online files (besides the fact that you have to
lock the online files). That is, you change the typography, the footers,
the cross references, etc, for online presentation? Or, do you
produce your online docs first, and then go back and produce
the hardcopy?

What tricks do you use to manage the performance of FrameViewer?
(e.g., optimum file sizes? Copy vs. reference graphics?)  

Either post your response or email to me: billwit@pvi.com
I'll try to put together a summary and post it.


Thanks, 
Bill




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From: ka6etb@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (KA6ETB Steve Harding)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: HELP: How to generate BIG&little capital letters
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:03:39 -0800
Reply-To: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US
Distribution: na
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <ubi.727983427@updike> ubi@updike..sri.com (Ron Ueberschaer) writes:
>I'd like to define a character style that uses large capital
>letters in place of uppercase, and smaller capital letters
>in place of lowercase.  The font and capitalization options
>don't seem to be able to do this.  Is there any way to add
>that capability to FrameMaker?

Unless someone knows some magic of which I am unaware, I am afraid you
are out of luck.

What you are describing is actually a typeface.  The larger characters are
the uppercase; the smaller characters are the lower case.  I haven't seen
any like since hot lead (I'm dating myself).

But then, Rob Weinberg will most likely prove me wrong (as usual).

steve

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: peckham@ast.saic.com (Scott Peckham)
Subject: Re: Help: autonumber cross-referencing
Reply-To: peckham@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:31:30 GMT

In article 26912@den.mmc.com, asta@thermal4.den.mmc.com (Brent Cullimore) writes:
>Although I'm a relatively new Frame User, I have done a
>lot of large documents with it.  In one document, though,
>I can't get cross-references to a paragraph number to
>work.  Everything works OK: the cross-reference is inserted
>correctly, but when I update it or double click it, FM
>has seemingly forgot what I just told it.  The reference
>points to the wrong place.  What am I doing wrong that
>I haven't been screwing up before?
>
We've had problems with this, too.  What's happening is that when a cross-reference
is made, FM inserts a cross-ref tag (it looks like a capital T when text symbols
are turned on) in the document being cross-referenced.  Now if that cross-referenced
paragraph is copied within the document the cross-ref tag comes along with it.
When you make a cross-ref to the copied paragraph, FM points back to the original
when the cross-refs are updated.

The only way I've found around this is to delete the cross-ref tag from the 
offending paragraph and make the cross-ref again.

Obviously cutting and pasting paragraphs which are cross-referenced is not
a good idea.

>(ps: I'm on a SUN using 3.1a)
>
>Also: Does anyone have any suggestions on how to build
>a renumbering list of references in Frame?  (Like foot-
>notes that stack up at the end of the document, and
>reorder themselves when you mess with the document.)
>Being a former Interleaf user, this was no problem.  But Frame's
>tight link between autonumbers and paragraphs is giving
>me troubles.
>
>Thanks in advance.

I've struggled with this, too.  I'd love to know if anyone has found a way to
do this.

Scott



Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: garmstro@galbraith.re.ualberta.ca (Glen Armstrong)
Subject: Endnotes in FrameMaker 3.0 for NeXT?
Keywords: FrameMaker Endnotes NeXT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:08:19 GMT

I'm trying to create a document with endnotes using FrameMaker 3.0 on a  
NeXT.  I cannot figure out how to do it.  Is it possible to get FM3.0 to  
automatically enumerate endnotes in the same way that it handles  
footnotes?  If so, how do I get the program to do this for me

--glen
From: pla_jfr@sld64pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Copied bitmaps disappears
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Kommunikations Industrie AG Nuernberg, Germany


In article <1993Jan15.140325.25397@ericsson.se>, helena@aom.ericsson.se (Helena Forsberg TM/SA 34108 2256 ) writes:
|> 
|> We are using FrmeMaker3.1X on Sun's (SunOS 4.1.2).
|> This is a problem that we have now and then. Suddenly when a user opens a document with bitmaps copied (not imported) into them all the bitmaps have gone grey and when they try to print the document the pictures doesn't show either.
|> 
|> The user in question usually can't recall if they did something special before it happend.
|> 
|> Does anybody know why this happens and if you can avoid it?
|> Is it possible to get the pictures back somehow?

I know a similar effect, the bitmaps are shown as grey hatched
areas but they are printed. Try to increase
the following counters in your $HOME/.Xdefaults:

Maker.clientBitmapSize: 2000000
Maker.serverBitmapSize: 1000000
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: Re: PC Ventura -> Frame filter
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:56:16 GMT

jbigg@Ingres.COM (John Bigg) writes:


>Has anyone got a filter to allow PC ventura files to be read into Frame and then
>editted in a sensible fashion. Or has anyone had any experience of this. I have
>looked in the current framemaker filters list.

Well, FrameMaker recently announced they were shipping a Ventura filter for
import. Haven't seen it.

Also, do you need the whole document or just the text and graphics to pour
into a new format? If you only want the text and graphics and can blow off
the formatting, It's fairly easy to edit the text with the ASCII word
processor of your choice into a Maker Markup Language file which can be
imported. And graphics can be filtered....

Art

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: meyer@borneo.gmd.de (Wolfgang Meyer)
Subject: FM eats buttons
Reply-To: meyer@borneo.gmd.de
Organization: GMD, German National Research Center for Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:54:19 GMT

Hi netters,
we are running framemaker 3.1 on SunOS 4.1.3 under X11R5.

Sometimes (I don't know when and why), if I click on the Tools-Button, 
the Tools-Window is displayed in a realy strange way. The height of this
window is the heigth of the whole screen, but some buttons (for instance the
color, gravity and snap buttons) are missing.

What's wrong?

Thanks in advance

Wolfgang


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:14:57 -0500 
From: Elliott Conan Evans <ee0r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Smart Spaces in MML

iacovou@jessica.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes:
>   I am writing an MML file, and I want to turn of Smart Spaces (I want to
>   be able to have more than 1 space in a row), how do I do this?

You could turn off smart spaces in the template, and then import your
MML document. Or, I believe that "\ " or "\s" or something will give
you a nonbreaking space, just like "control-space" in FrameMaker.

>   Also, is there any documentaion which is better than what cames from
>   Frame on the subject of MML? The pamphlet from Frame makes me feel
>   as though it is incomplete.

Nope, I think the MML documentation is complete. MML is not supposed
to have all of the features of FrameMaker. If it did, they'd probably
sell it as a separate product. It's just meant to be a palliative so
you can do text production with minor formatting on a text terminal
instead of having to do *everything* in FM. 

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From: mike@media-lab.mit.edu (Michael Hawley)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Links
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike@media-lab.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Can someone send me a note describing the hypertext link functions?
(These are not discussed in the FAQ.)

In particular, what I want is to insert a button that will execute
some arbitrary shell command -- e.g., on a Unix machine, run a
command to "open" an external file.
From: hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Smart Spaces in MML
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:31:08 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <iacovou.728073651@jessica> iacovou@jessica.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes:
>
>  Hi;
>
>  I am writing an MML file, and I want to turn of Smart Spaces (I want to
>  be able to have more than 1 space in a row), how do I do this?
>
>  Also, is there any documentaion which is better than what cames from
>  Frame on the subject of MML? The pamphlet from Frame makes me feel
>  as though it is incomplete.
>
>  Thanks a lot.
>
>
>  BTW: if this is a common question please respond via e-mail. again, thanks.

You can turn off smart spaces when you import the MML into a Frame
document.  Just turn off smart spaces in the document before
importing the MML.  Unfortunately, this turns off smart spaces
globally for the entire document.  If you don't filter out doubled
spaces after periods, they'll persist in your Frame document.

If you want to preserve spaces in just one part of a document, you'll
need to replace each space to preserve with the code for a non-breaking
space character, as with the following substitution command:

s/ /<\\x11>/g

-r
From: jbigg@Ingres.COM (John Bigg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: fmbatch screen output redirection
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:25:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pony.1993Jan26.162558.23150
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Under framemaker 3.0, when using fmbatch it was possible to redirect screen
output to /dev/null to allow fmbatch to be called from an application without
destroying the screen. e.g.

    fmbatch 2>&1 >/dev/null <fmscript

Since upgrading to 3.1X this no longer works (fmbatch version 0.61), the output
is always written to the screen. Has anyone come across and solved this (or am
I doing somthing stupid)?

Please help

John

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From: bass@eecom.gatech.edu (Dick Bass)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: problems printing imported .epsf
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: bass@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA

I have run the Frame EPSF Converter for the Macintosh version 2.0,
and have succesfully created text files which I can import into
Framemaker running on a Sun workstation.

No problem viewing the image, but when I try to print, 
nothing is ever ejected from our postscript printer.

When I try importing the .epsf files provided as samples, 
they print - no problem.

Anyone experienced this same problem?
Any advice?

Thanks!

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From: ubi@updike..sri.com (Ron Ueberschaer)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: HELP: How to generate BIG&little capital letters
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:37:07 GMT
Distribution: na

I'd like to define a character style that uses large capital
letters in place of uppercase, and smaller capital letters
in place of lowercase.  The font and capitalization options
don't seem to be able to do this.  Is there any way to add
that capability to FrameMaker?

TIA,


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.text.sgml
From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Filters & Framemaker conversion
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:21:49 GMT
Keywords: Filters, Framemaker, SGML, TeX

In article <C19BEB.Ev2@ansoft.com> ott@ansoft.com (nancy ott) writes:
>We are in the process of switching our technical writing department
>over to the workstation version of Framemaker.  At the present, we're
>using a document publishing system that's based on SGML.  There are
>approximately 1500 pages of documentation in this format.
>Additionally, there are about 500 pages of documentation in TeX.

I'd think you would have at least talked to a Frame rep about this one.
You need to, you know.

>
>We also have a **VERY** constrained budget.

So, maybe you can find someone to do this for you and pay you for the
priviledge.  Frankly, paying for the optimal software solution up front might be
more expensive than "a freebie" solution, but you know the old saying,
"You get what you pay for" is, indeed, a verity.  Frame has solutions
for you.  Ask them about FrameBuilder and the accompanying filterpak.

>I've looked into having a 3rd party convert our files, but the cost is
>prohibitively expensive.  Does anyone know of any shareware filters
>that could be used to conver SGML or TeX files into Framemaker format?

Not a good solution from my vantage point.  (See above).

>Would scanning hard copies of the documentation be a viable
>alternative?  

Nada.  Neine.  Nyet.  Is crap.

>Does Framemaker have an SGML product?  (A possible
>complication: since I have no other experience with SGML besides the
>package we're currently using, I don't know if it's 100% compatible
>with the standard.)

Kinda.  It's called FrameBuilder and the FrameBuilder Developer's
Edition.  Call Frame @ 408.433.3311.

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM