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From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Siblings in Daycare
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:18:05 GMT

In article <11292@borg.cs.unc.edu>, sgauch@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan
Gauch) writes:

> One question that I
> have about institutional daycare that I haven't seen discussed is the
> effects it has on sibling's ties.  Laura is very fond of Brian, and although
> they spend part of their day apart they do spend a lot of time together.
> If they were in daycare, they would be in different rooms, separated by
> age.  Has anyone done a study on whether this weakens the ties between
> siblings? 

If our children were institutionalized, it might be more of an issue (-; (-;
I don't know of any studies, I can only offer one data point.  Jody (5.75) and
Sean (3.5) have always had center-based care.  While it is true that they have
always been in separate rooms, it isn't like they never see each other.  They
can play together if they want during the copious free play time outside.  The
groups are often combined, especially in the late afternoon when some of the
kids have gone home, which gives them another opportunity to play together if
they choose.  We have never had the experience of having a teacher who didn't
encourage them to visit each other, especially  if one or the other was having
a rough day; allowances should always be made.  And of course, they are usually
together evenings and weekends.  Are they close?  Well, judging from the way
they choose to be together, their willingness to stick together (especially if
there is a battle against Mom and Dad (-;), their conspiratorial pranks, etc.,
I would have to say that they are.  I guess only time will really tell.

Frankly, I am not interested in a spitting match to prove whose kids have closer
ties, nor am I interested in a study that says "children in daycare centers 
'tend' to not have as close sibling ties as those in other care arrangements",
if such a study exists.  I *am*, however, interested in what factors make a 
difference in the closeness of various sibling pairs/groups within daycare so
that we can make sure that we provide the opportunities to develop that closeness.

-- 
Maureen Busch				|Are you out there sally?  How 'bout
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|you, Ken??  Hi to the kids!
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Date: 1 Apr 92 15:33:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: MBVM.167BC946F.M18611
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Apr01.041610.943881@locus.com>
judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
 
>In article <1992Mar30.103656.28200@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory) writes:
>>Spring has sprung around here, and around here that means
>>rain. Beth doesn't care much for the sound of it against her
>>window. I'd like some happy songs or lullabies that mention
>>rain. If they are sung to a familiar tune, that's even better.
>>If you know one on a tape then please mention it, I'm getting overly
>>familiar with Beth's ten tapes and would be happy to add another
>>to the collection.
>>
>>Kate
>
>Peter Paul and Mary have a wonderful one (don't remember which album).
 
      'Peter, Paul, and Mommy' is the album.
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: TAX for maternity leave
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.234000.22618@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.184135.5617@ready.eng.ready.com>, tai@hawk.eng.ready.com (Josephine Tai) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|>   I do not know whether this is the right place to ask my question.
>|> If not, I apology.
>|> 
>|>   During my maternity leave, I received two checks, one from SDI, 
>|> another one from Group American Insurance Company. Someone told
>|> me that I do not need to pay TAX for these two checks. I also
>|> have been told that SDI check is taxable, but Insurance company 
>|> check is exempt. Which one is correct? But now, both of them 
>|> are showing on my W2 form as regular wages. Does anyone on the
>|> net know what is the right answer?
>|> 
>
>I was on maternity leave and was paid by SDI and an insurance
>company--I called and neither of them are taxable!  I don't
>know how they could ever have showed up on a W-2 as they werent
>paid by your company--I assume you paid into the disability
>and you definitely pay into SDI--which is why they are not
>taxable.

When I was on maternity leave my SDI was not taxable. Nor did it get paid
by my company, I received a check directly from the state agency in charge 
of that. It couldnt have showed up on my W2, since it never went thru the
company.

After 30 days of SDI, my companies long term disability policy started
paying me also. They made up the SDI so that I was receiving 60% of my 
pay. This was taxable. I have the choice of paying for my Long Term
disabilty, or having my company pay. If I pay for the last 3 years then
my benefits are not taxable, if I dont pay then they are taxable. I didnt
pay for the benefit, so it was taxable. It was paid thru my company and
showed up on my W2.

My tax state is California, if this makes a difference, and SDI tax is
taken out of our pay.

Laura Floom

p.s. I tried sending email to the original poster, and it was returned.
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: First car trip
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:09:05 GMT
Distribution: usa

We are planning a short trip to Seattle in a few weeks -- a day to go up,
two days there and a day to come back.  I know that is a lot of travel time
for so short a trip, but (ta-da!) this will be Laura's first trip away from
home.

Laura will be seven months old.  She is a great sleeper (normally 9PM to 7AM).
She normally takes two to three naps a day, one of them as much as two and
a half hours, the other(s) shorter.

She is normally not cooped up in a playpen; she seal-flops of rolls around
whatever room mom is in during the day.  (Last night she sat up by herself
for the first time -- and no one was watching, just like te first roll-overs!)
She has not gotten "crawl" down yet but can flop, swim and roll to get where
she wants to go.

Nighttime ritual is to dim the lights and give her her last bottle.  She goes
to sleep in our arms and we then transfer her to her crib for the night.  

Laura sleeps in her own room at night.  Sometimes she wakes up in the middle
of the night and plays or talks quietly in her crib (plays with the bumpers or
whatever).  As long as we don't disturb her she will go back to sleep by
herself.

The drive to/from Seattle will take about 3 - 4 hours.  Are we crazy here?
Is she going to get bored in the car seat and cry the whole way?

We will have to spend three nights in a motel room with her.  Should be plan
on a few nights of interrupted sleep due to unfamiliar surroundings?  Should
we just stay home until she is 18 (years)?

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
From: rag@yarra.pyramid.com.au (Robyn A Grunberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: ADD information - what is it?
Keywords: ADD
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:43:49 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp, Melb., Aust.


Hi there,

I've been reading this group for a long time now, and I see there has
been much mention of ADD.  At first I didn't know what it was, it was
only today that I discovered the meaning of the phrase.

However, I am after some research/reading on ADD.  If you're pointing
me to any reports, please remember that I am down under and may not
have access to all reference material you guys have.

I am also going to ask people for their opinion.  I know I shouldn't
but I've already formed the basis of an opinion myself, which is why
I'm after some research material which documents instances of ADD and
what was changed to overcome it.  However, I'm interested in other
people's hypotheses as well as the old "hard and fast" facts.

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Robyn Grunberg.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:12:11 GMT

In article  mks@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Mark Sanders) writes:
>
>My neighbor's oldest son has just been diagnosed as having FAS.  Usually
>a sweet boy, he sometimes comes unglued, to the point of violence. After
>an episode, he feels very bad.  He's been kicked out of school (8th grade)
>and is growing more bitter about his situation.  As his hormones are 
>kicking in, his tirades have become more severe.  He is on some medication
>which appears to be helping.  BTW, his mother was in the military in
>Germany during the pregnancy and did 'party hardy' throughout.
>
>As my 2 youngest sons just adore this boy, I'd like to help him out in
>any way I can.  Any suggestions?
>
>Mark

Support is available for parents and care-givers of FAS children.  The
group mentioned below is organized by a woman who is raising a child 
with FAS whom she adopted as a baby.  (Please note: the email address
for FAS support is not the same as my email address, though I will
pass on information.)
        
A support group is being organized for care-givers of FAS children. It
is hard to find medical professionals with knowledge in this area.  We
would like to be contacted by:                                                   
1.  People willing to serve on advisory board
2.  People interested in researching this field
3.  Anyone interested in joining the group.                                      

Letters can be sent to:            Phone:                                        

Fetal Alcohol Support Network      416-561-8388                                  
P.O. Box 99010 
Heritage Green Postal Outlet
Stoney Creek, Ontario                                                            
L8J 1P0
                                                                                 
Email: jayne@mma.beltrix.guild.org
       email does not go directly to FASN but I will pass on info
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: jwhite@oasys.dt.navy.mil (White)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Extraction of baby teeth
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:35:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC Code 2723 
	      (formerly David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis MD)

In article <1992Apr7.150816.54276@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund) writes:
>
>       Speaking personally, the nitrous oxide (?) scared the hell out of
>   me.  I had it when I was in 7th grade and had some cavities filled. 
>   The dentist gave me Novacaine for the jaw, and gas to keep me calm. 
>   It did mellow me out, but I hallucinated rather badly.  For instance,

I remember gatting nitrous oxide at about the same time in my life,
but I didn't have any hallucinations.  Instead, the Dr. told me to tell
him when I could no longer feel the chair below me, and he would remove
the gas.  Well, when that time came, he was out of the room, so I continued
breathing the gas for a few minutes until he returned.  After he was
done, I was still under the influence of the gas, and had to walk by
grabbing my pants leg and stomping my foot while watching it to make
sure it was firmly planted 8-)!  It made for a very interesting walk
back to the car for the ride home.

Joe White
Father of: Joshua Douglas (3 years, 11+ months, born 4/25/88) and
	   Hillary Shannon (10 days, born 4/3/92)!
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Books
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:21:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.shvo5INNkot
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Apr15.124950.7695@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:

>Hmmm.  Well.  Presuming you could somehow hold onto the baby with just
>one hand, or prop it up on pillows, how would you hold the book and
>turn the pages with just the one the other hand?  Someone please give 
>the details of this reading while breastfeeding technique. It sounds 
>mighty handy to me.

Dylan is down to just one nursing a day, and I read the net during
that time :-).  But, when he used to nurse a lot more, I got lots of
reading done, and most of the time, I would read out loud so that
Dylan didn't feel left out. I would read the newspaper, magazines,
books, whatever, in a read-aloud voice so that even Bush's latest
policy statements sounded like loads of fun :-0.  As for technique,
newspapers and magazines were easy--lay them flat on a table while
Dylan was cradled in one arm, and use the other hand to turn pages.
For books, I used a book stand.  I can still hold Dylan in one arm
to nurse, even though he's pretty bulky and cumbersome now.  But
remember, as the kiddo gets older, s/he can help matters by hanging
on like a little monkey, or sitting up to nurse--you don't have to do 
all the work yourself!  Now all my reading is confined to naps and
after Dylan is asleep.  Dylan gets to pick what he wants me
to read, and funny, _Sports Illustrated_ just never seems to get
chosen :-0.
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"The secret of life is enjoying
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         the passage of time."
(Dylan's mom, 16 months)		  	-- James Taylor
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Why do they call me "Daddy"?
Organization: Sylvan Associates
	<92098.141648ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:53:14

In article <92098.141648ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:

> Sometimes, though, I accidentally call him "Hershey" (our dog's name).
> If I'm really excited or upset, I may go through the gamut of names in
> our household--all five cats and the dog--before I land on the right
> name.  Jamie, of course, thinks this is very funny.  I can't wait to
> see what happens when #2 offspring comes along! :-)

Being the oldest, I got to hear my little sister, the youngest, be
called "GracePeterErica" for much of her life by my grandmother who
lives upstairs. I've been out of the house now for 11 years, and, in a
recent visit was called "EricaPeterGrace" for the first time. Seems
I've moved down the queue....

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Helpful Book List
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:00:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

Has anyone been keeping a list of the books (and reasons why) people
have found them helpful?

I thought I had kept the entries, but alas, they are nowhere to be found.

Any help much appreciated!

Thanks -

michelle
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From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:30:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: noao.1992Apr7.213005.16820
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

From article <28435@hoptoad.uucp>, by tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney):
>>>(Just in case you are wondering, we do not engage anything criminal you
>>>might be thinking is associated with our religion, e.g. human sacrifice,
>>>animal sacrifice, drug use, abuse of any form...etc.)
> 
> In article house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:
> kenr@sol.usc.edu (Ken Richards) writes:
>>Then what do you do?  If it has nothing to do with what most people
>>consider Satan to refer to, then are you just grandstanding, with your
>>children the victims?  That is, if you believe in a non-evil religion,
>>why give it a bad name when (I am sure) you could find a more
>>descriptive title?
> 
> I agree completely.  Did you know there are also people who are using
> the name of "Jews", even though they don't run the international banking
> conspiracy or sacrifice Christian children at their ceremonies?  Why
> would they subject their poor children to such a label when they are
> really nothing like what we all think of when we think "Jew"?

Aw come on!  Speak for yourself!   I am not Jewish, but neither have I
_EVER_ thought of anything like you suggest all non-Jews think of when
we hear the word "Jew".   The word "Satan" on the other hand, originated
as the antithesis of the all good and loving God that Christians, Jews,
and Muslims all venerate.   Satanists have borrowed their ideas of "Satan"
from those religions, so that is why the practice of "Satanism" is not
considered as socially acceptable as other, mainstream, faiths.   Even
Paganism is not __specifically__ set up to oppose "God" the way Satanism
is.


> Tim Maroney

Suzanne Forgach
From: beth@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Beth Crespo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Whole Language" teaching concept
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:34:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.9430203
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In misc.kids, elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert) writes:

> scottb@col.hp.com (Scott Brunton) writes:
> 
> >	Has anyone had any experiences or encounters with the teaching
> >concept known as "whole language?"  I'm going to be attending a short
> >course on the subject and would be interested in the opinions of others.
> 
> I'd (and probably others) would sure be interested in hearing what you find
> out. My ignorant understanding of it is essentially that it replaces 
> phonics with the concept that children learn to sight read words. This is
> stupid. (big uproar at our school over this but I've been hanging around
> the edges picking up 2nd and 3rd hand info). 

Why do you think it is "stupid"?  I taught myself to read - by word 
recognition or pattern matching, which sounds like the "whole language"
approach. In school they tried to teach me phonics but I could never
understand it - little bitty sounds which have no meaning all sounded
like gibberish to me. I would have been in trouble if I couldn't already 
read because I would never have understood words based on phonics!
 
> IMO nothing is better  than having a kid be able to sound out a word
> until s/he figures out what it is...this is also fun to watch.
Unfortunately some of us just can't do that. I also don't see how
that is useful - words just don't sound like strings of phonetic sounds,
the combination often changes the pronunciation. Also the meaning of a word 
is never revealed by sounding it out - that only helps to recognize words 
the reader has already heard, how does it help with learning new words? 

> Also this technique helps them in spelling so when
> they get older they wont be harassment targets on the Net...
So does a dictionary. When I see a word I don't recognize I look it up
(and always have) and then I learn how to spell it (not really, I learn
how it looks when it is spelled correctly) and I learn what the word
means in all its variations, how to pronounce the whole word, and usually
read a dozen other words while I've got the book open.  :-)

Just my point of view,
Beth Crespo, Mommy to Kara Michelle Kieffer since July 13, 1988
             Mommy to ???? ??????? Kieffer beginning May ??, 1992
These opinions are mine, Hewlett-Packard may or may not agree with them.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Hernia in 1 yr old
Reply-To: staffan@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:14:48 GMT

The pediatrician diagnosed an enguinal (sp? can't read his writing! :-) hernia 
at our son's 12 month check-up.  This hadn't been detected before, but it
turns out there is a history of it in my wife's family (her father, brother,
nephew).

The doctor explained that it was very common, and that the corrective surgery
is done on an out-patient basis.  I'd like to hear if anyone has gone through
it with their infant.  We will be scheduling an appointment with a surgeon
for a second opinion, but I'm still interested in other parent's comments.

Thanks!

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 16:28:53 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Skipping Grades (Was Re: Starting Kindergarten)
 <1992Apr5.131728.22569@gvl.unisys.com> <1992Apr06.141556.22851@afit.af.mil>
 <ku18bqINN68m@antigone.usc.edu> <1992Apr7.155406.1060@HQ.Ileaf.COM>

In article <1992Apr7.155406.1060@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, shari@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Shari
Jackson) says:
>
>I've been following this thread, and wondered if anyone has considered
>the possibility of the child skipping a grade later on.  In my case, I
>went to kindergarten at age 5, but after 2nd grade my teacher
>recommended that I skip 3rd grade and attend a gifted program that
>started with 4th grade.  It worked out great for me - school became
                          **************************
>much more interesting and challenging.
>     [some specifics deleted]
>I was always the youngest, but that wasn't much of a problem.

I didn't skip a grade, but one of my younger brothers did.  Like Shari, it
was second grade that he skipped (and like Shari, he had to learn cursive
writing on his own -- almost 20 years later, I still have trouble reading
his writing :-)!).

My brother's experiences were not quite as good as Shari's.  He was somewhat
shy & since he stayed in the same grade school, he always felt singled out
for having skipped a grade (it was not a common practice at his school).
Although he needed the academic challenge, he was not socially ready to skip
a grade.  Perhaps it would have worked out better if he had changed schools.

By high school, I think he felt like he "fit in" better, but years later, my
parents comment that in retrospect they wish that they had pursued other
options to give him more academic challenges without skipping a grade.  And
my brother agrees.  He is now a well-adjusted (at least I think so) and
successful attorney.  But some of his childhood memories are of the loneliness
he felt because of skipping 2nd grade and "leaving behind" his friends.

Carol Fischer (CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu)
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