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From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Peugeot 505 Turbo Diesel Engine Replacement
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:21:52 GMT
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth

In article <1992Oct15.102801.15687@csus.edu> jhodges@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu  
(Jack Hodges) writes:
> I am new to this newsgroup. I have a friend who is very
> nonmechanical. She has a Peugeot whose diesel is starting
> to have problems. I suggested junking the diesel and putting
> a regular engine into the car, but thought I would ask here
> to see if anyone knows if there are engines which will fit
> the cars engine mounts, axles, and transmission, or is this
> a totally custom job. Anyone know Peugeots out there?
> 
> Jack Hodges
> San Francisco State University

	If your friend is truly nonmechanical, consider the fact that  
Peugeots are no longer being imported into this country.  This does not  
bode well for dealer parts and service in the future.  Also, the value  
of the used Peugeots (at least in the midwest, where they never sold  
well to begin with) has been driven into the ground because of their  
"orphan" status.  
	Your friend's best bet may be to take her lumps, unload the  
Peugeot, and buy something that  a) people know how to fix and can get  
parts for and  b) someone will want to buy when she is done with it.
	For the mechanically adept, Peugeots represent the cheap wheels  
opportunity of the 90s.  For everyone else, they are not worth sinking  
any serious money into, IMHO.

Jim Cavanaugh
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: JC Witney "Spray In" Truck Bedlinder. Any Good?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:40:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   My Ford Ranger has many scratches and some small surface rust inside the
bed. I'm getting it sand blasted Monday and then I plan to prime it myself and
spray (brush) in that JC Witney "Liquid Truck Bedliner". It says it can be
sprayed or brushed in and will provide a ultra strong protective liner against
chips, dents, and scratches. There are two types in the catalog, I'm buying
the $13 per quart version. Has anybody out there used this stuff? If so, what
kind of results did you get?
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saab 900i Problems?
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:45:57 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <12110059@hpmwema.sr.hp.com> almanb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes:
>    Wharfie is not the person to take advice on car reliablity from.
> [ 172 lines of reposting deleted ]

	Yeah, who told you that?  The same guy that taught you to use 
an editor, putz?
								wr
From: pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Acura mailing list?
Keywords: acura
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:55:51 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

How do I subsribe to the Acura mailing list?

Thanks.

-Pascal
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From: kwak@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Minivan (Villager, Quest, Previa, MPV, Voyager, etc)
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:09:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: mizar.6648
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

Dear Friends:

I try to buy a minivan soon.

I am interested in Villager (or Quest).  
However, before making an expensive decision,
I want to get your opinions about Villager (or Quest) and other minivans, 
such as Previa, MPV, and Voyager.  For example, I want to know 
why you like a specific van or why not (acceleration on a slope,
MPG, features, ride, cornering, price, insurance, safety, resale value, etc).

Thank you in advance.

Sehung
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extoic sightings
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:37:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL

>Pininfarina is probably the best design house in all of Italy.
>They have designed such as Fiats, Alfas, Lancias, and a few Ferraris.
>
Pininfarini has done ALL of the real "production" Ferraris with the
exception of the Dino 308GT4, which was done by Bertone.

>The only other designer in Italy that I can think of is Bertone, but
>they only have the Emotion, some Ferraris and most (if not all)
>Lamborghinis.
>
Other than the 308GT4, the last Ferrari done by Bertone was a 250GT
show car. That was 1961 and Bertone's design echoed the Carlo Chiti
"nostrils" of the F1 and Sports Racing team.


-- 
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Ethanol ? Good for the Environment but good for our cars?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:24:53 GMT

In article <george.719245840@windslc> george@windslc.nrel.gov writes:
>lps@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Lawrence P. Schnitzer) writes:
>
>>In article <>, djm48887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Moisson) writes:
>>|> I have read some things about the use of 10% ethanol in our cars.
>
>>Actually, I've heard that ethanol use is not recommended for cars in cities
>>with bad smog problems.  I don't remember the details, but apparently the gas
>>and ethanol mixture is worse for the environment in that situation than just
>> gas.
>
>I've heard this too, and I'm confused. In the Denver area, the use of 'high-
>oxygen' fuels is required by law from November to February. The most common
>additive is MTBE, but ethanol is also easy to find and a bit cheaper. The
>reason for the requirement is to fight Denver's 'brown cloud' problem.

So what's the difference between some new type of gas (the kind that they
have been using at Indy since '65) and Gas-o-hol?
Gas-o-hol is the 10% enanol or methanol right?
They've been selling that stuff for years in the metro-Detroit area.
It's supposed to have a lower octane (?).

Besides the risk of pre-detonation (pinging) in high compression engines,
what's the effect of using any of these variants in a cast-iron, carbeurated
9.0:1 comp. ratio engine?
From: mhoag@neon.cdc.com (mike hoag x2280)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:05:13 GMT


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 Being the owner of both a 66' Stang(RWD for those who did not know) and a 92'   Nissan Sentra(FWD) I should be allowed to have an opion on this big debate brewing. Living in the harshest climate in the lower 48(Minnesota) I should be able to give all you out in Net land which in my opion works best. Hands down the my Sentra out performs during inclimate weather such as rain or one our many snowstorms.  One of the reasons I store my Stang in Winter is to avoid parking it in a snow filled ditch doing 70.  B


ut I will definately take my Stang over just about any car on dry pavent.
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Do you have a Sable?  What's your MPG?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:51:12 GMT

In article <67276@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>I am not sure if my 87 Sable Wagon consumes more fuel than average.  It's
>>getting only 17 MPG, freeway and local combined(half and half).  I inflate the
>>tires to 34 psi and keep the car in good condition.  Can someone own a similar
>>car tell me your MPG?  Or maybe the ways to increase it?  Thanks a lot.
>>
>>- james
>
>Do you have the 3.8 or the 3.0 V-6? I have a '90 Taurus Wagon with
>the 3.0 V-6 and about 43,000 miles on the clock and I recently drove
>from LA to Sacamento and back... lots of long boring Interstate
>highway, a trip of appx 500 miles, and almost made it 1 way on one tank
>of gas, putting the mileage for that trip in the high 20s I guess
>since the tank holds about 17 gallons. Around town in stop'n'go
>traffic thru the suburbs I get about what you're getting, perhaps
>a couple mpg more. I'm sure it has to do with the time you can
>spend in the automatic overdrive 4th gear versus not as to what kind
>of overall mileage you're gonna see. By the way, I run it on 
>"regular unleaded" 87 octane stuff (name brands) which it seems
>to like just fine.
>
I have an 89 Taurus wagon, 3.8, I get in the high 20s freeway
driving, low 20s in town - its automatic with overdrive which I
use on the freeway, but prefer 'drive' in town and going over
mountains (the engine doesn't work as hard) - in fact, I got in
the high 20s this past summer going back & forth to Salem, OR
from my home (with air conditioning on on the straightaways) -
we drove up with cruise control set at 67 and had no problems
in overdrive until we het some of the mountains, then cruise
control slipped out on one of the hill climbs, put the car in
drive and cruise control and had no problems...



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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:02 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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> You'll never ever see exotic cars going over 65 mph on the freeways
> and 15 mph on the street.  

I seldom have, but then again, at the times and places where 
I do most of my driving, either of the above speeds is an event.
When my wife wants to save me from Bulky Wallet Sciatica by
getting a Corvette, I point out that she sometimes goes for 
days on end without getting her Eclipse out of third gear. I see
exotics and near-exotics (the lesser Ferraris, an NS-X, a stunning 
array of Porsches, etc.) almost every day, usually stuck in the
same awful traffic as my Taurus.  What they do on the weekends in
places chosen for lack of witnesses is another story, but I suspect
that most hot cars are in fairly clammy hands.

The most impressively I've ever been passed was on I-80 up in 
the Sierra by a Mark Something-or-other Jaguar saloon.  A ZR-1 
Corvette took second honors on US 180 in Arizona.  Maybe he 
should get first place, because although that road is temptingly
straight and empty, its wretched pavement offers something to
challenge both the stiffly damped and the compliant, long-travel
schools of suspension design.  I was well into the 80s and he blew 
me away so hard I might as well have turned off at the Petrified
Forest and taken my place among the exhibits.

Then again, there's the OTHER reason why you don't see exotics
being driven with extreme gusto every day.  The next street down
from me features an E-Jag and an early 911, both semipermanently
garaged.  The E sometimes sports a pair of legs sticking out from
underneath.  The 911 just sits there (like the _other_ 911 down
the street), although it is in a more dignified pose than the 911
near my last house, which was semipermanently garaged with a big
Rubbermaid basin underneath the right rear cylinders.

Semper repairatus,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Lugging an engine?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  7 Oct 92 04:58:19 GMT

In <1992Oct2.165705.13303@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) writes:

>In article 6230@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com () writes:
>>the correct answer.  The question that I heard was:  Why is lugging an engine
>>bad for the engine?  I was not around to hear the answer to this question so I

>>to drive the car in a higher gear than "recommended" for a given speed.  Does
>>anyone know exactly what lugging the engine is (i.e. in terms of rpm) and why
>>is this bad for the engine?

>  Lugging an engine refers to driving while revving below 1000 Rpm.

There is no actual lower limit for this, it is more a function of 
gearing Vs throttle opening Vs current RPMs.

For instance, you can lug the engine if you use wide open throttle (WOT)
at engine speeds of 3000 rpm, if you're in 5th gear. Or, you can do it
at 1000 rpm in 2nd or 3rd.

>This puts too much stress on the main bearings, and can bust them
>up if you lug(slave) your engine frequently. Lugging will most definitely
>wear the bearings more than not lugging.

It's not just the main bearings, the big-ends also get a hammering.
Why it happens is at higher engine speeds, the mass of the pistons even
out the bearing load as they move around very quickly - this balances the
bearing load from combustion. If the pistons are not moving fast enough
for this balancing, then the bearing load from combustion is unopposed and
the peak bearing load is often more than at any other throttle/rpm
position.

regards,
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From: walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:18:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <26390@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>In older Volvo 240s, the entire seat can rust out. Nice thought.

The seats in my Jeep started to fall through the floor too. Great pieces
of rust free engineering them wagoneers were.


>If both are the same, you even out. When one is much larger or heavier
>than the other, the larger one generally wins out (but not always)

I'll take the odds of the larger one winning out. 

>Oh, and a camaro that does 180? Right! Not a stock part on it except
>the name plate, if it is actually safe to drive at that speed. The stock
>ones are unsafe at 110. (was that a comet?)

Not a one.  And who said it was safe, anything with a hyped engine can 
go fast, no body said you were gonna live, Personally, anything above 
75 or 80 and my shorts turn brown. Well at least in anything that i've
ever owned.



>How about revoking your liscense for life, sort of like they do in Germany?

That would be the smart thing to do, but then again, after a while people
smarten up.  My father was drunk when he was 22 or so and was trying to
outrun a cop on icy roads.  He hit 2 parked cars launched off a snowbank
and landed on some poor guys roof.  He lost his license for 2 years, but
he hasn't been in an accident that was his fault since and he also hasn't 
had a speeding ticket since then either.  On the other hand my ever so 
smart aunt has been smagged for drunk driving at least 3 times.  The
first was about 10 years ago and she lost her license for a month, and then
there were all the fines and stuff, then a year later she got snagged again
and lost her license for a year and got a 5000 dollar fine.  Now 2 years
ago she was snagged once again and refused to take the breathalizer test, 
which is automaticlaly 120 day suspension of license weather drunk or
not.  She greased a few palms and got off with only the 120 days.  Not
to mention a few accidents and a few drug related things not having to 
do with cars along the way.  Real genius huh?
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Extoic sightings
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:34:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


fI know the feeling everyday on my way out I go by a ritzy apartment
complex on the sidewalk I see the following each day:

        1 . ) Subaru SVX
        2 . ) BMW 850i Coupe
        3 . ) Mercedes 750SL convertible
        4 . ) Lotus Esprit
        5 . ) 1992 OLDS '88 convertible (this car is the best)
        6 . ) Cadillac Allante'
        7 . ) Geo Metro (FLAME MATERIAL)

        here at work someone has a
        1 . ) Mitsubishi 3000GT

        and Everyday On Route 20 here in Northboro I see
        a handfull of Lexus 400SC/300SC

        there are a lot of dodge stealth's around I don't think
        they count as exotic.....

        I am still coasting along in my little Geo Storm....

        I have my eye on that 1992 OLDS '88 convert. though!
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From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:12:40 GMT

In <Bvnsow.1q1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:


>In article <1992Oct2.233501.17589@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>>
>>So anyone can claim RWD or FWD is better, but all they are telling me is that
>>they either know very little about what makes cars handle or that they only
>>know how to drive one type of design.

>Unless, of course, they're telling you that no matter how well you
>drive, you can't cheat the laws of physics.

>Each wheel+tire has a certain amout of friction which it can use to
>effect a change in the vehicle's motion. In a RWD car, the friction of
>the rear tires is used to propel the car forward or backward, while the
>friction of the front tires is used to effect changes in heading. In a

I have driven both FWD and RWD and one point worth mention here is in
regard to winter steering. With power going to the front wheels, it is
less likely that they will lock-up when braking on snow or ice. Hence,
your ability to steer is better.

Of course, when driving on ice, don't suddenly take your foot of the
gas pedal (you will get more education than your mind can possibly
absorb :-) ). But then, never do 'anything' suddenly on ice.

>FWD car, the front tires must do BOTH jobs; thus, it's easier to exceed
>the ability of the tire to grip the road effectively if you're
>accelerating and steering simultaneously.

>Why do you think there aren't any FWD Indy cars or NASCAR racers?

In another post someone mentioned the Toronado as an example of
big block FWD. This car, and its sibling Riviera, had the engine
mounted in-line and not transversely as in a 'true' FWD configuration.
There was this cute little differential mounted under the engine,
which I understand was not quite up to the HP of the engine. :-(.

Bob.
From: brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Date: 11 Oct 92 08:11:59 GMT
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In-reply-to: brennan@hal.com's message of 11 Oct 92 02:02:47 GMT

>>>>>(Jeffrey Seymour) said:

> [ stuff about taxes based on book value deleted ]

That's the way it works in North Carolina.  When I bought a used car 
I got charged tax on the value the state estimated (even though I got
a good deal and paid less).  I complained, but they said for the tax to
be lowered I'd have to have the car appraised to prove that it was
worth less than the value they estimated.

This is pretty lame, since I really should be taxed based on what I
paid.  But like someone else said, if so many people didn't try to
cheat the state, they wouldn't have to make bogus rules like this.
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From: joep@angelo.amd.com (Joseph Pawletko)
Subject:  ADVICE NEEDED: '69 TR6
Organization:  Foolish Convertible Purchasers...
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:53:56 GMT

Hi,
I've been eyeing a 1969 Triumph TR6.  The car has always 
been a favorite model of mine, and I'm finally going to 
do something about it.  However, I'd like some advice 
on what to look for that might indicate big trouble down
the road.  (I'm anticipating the little stuff.... ;-)).
I've done some reading, and apparently the '69
carbureted is supposed to be one of the better models to 
get.  Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Joe
From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chevy Kicks Fords Ass Again!
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:20:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Acadia University


 (Wes Fujii) writes:

>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:42:50 GMT
>Because of this discussion (and I like the looks of GM's F-body cars)
>I went out and bought a Car&Driver yesterday.  On the front cover was
>the new Z28.
>
>The first thing that entered my mind was that I do like the looks.
>The second thing that entered my mind was that the workmanship doesn't
>look any better than what they've done in past years...
>
>     1) The headlights do not line up
>     2) Hood/fender gaps are not even
>     3) Driving lamps not straight
>
>I would have thought that the prototype, hand-built model should be
>near perfect, especially if it is going to be used for pictures!!!
>
>Wes Fujii
>
Typical of GM's shoddy workmanship.  It is crap like that that taints the 
domestic car market.  People have been complaining about this for years, but 
GM refuses to get the picture.  Ford, and Chrysler( to a certain extent), 
has caught on.  GM is left behind again.  

    ( inserted from another post )
        From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
        Subject: top ten sellers of '92
	Date: 6 Oct 92 21:24:22 GMT

	1992 auto sales (from LA Times)
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	12.9 million total sales

	1) Honda Accord       387,881
	2) Ford Taurus        347,534
	3) Toyota Camry       277,792
	4) Ford Escort        244,231
	5) Chevrolet Lumina   219,120
	6) Honda Civic        217,832
	7) Ford Tempo         213,352
	8) Chevy Cavalier     212,675
	9) Toyota Corolla     206,560
	10) Pontiac Grand AM  198,596

This expains why they only made it to fifth on this list whereas Ford is 
second.  Chrysler is a no-show.

Trevor
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