HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:25:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.130252.46058@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> lerner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Our school recently decided that we will have a drug dog.  Supposedly,
>it can smell just about anything, no matter how much you cover it up.
>I seriously doubt this.  I have heard that coffee will hide the smell,
>and I am wondering if this is true.  Also, what else will hide things
>from the dog?
>
>By the way, did you know that killing a drug dog is punnishable in the
>same way as killing a police officer (I mean it has the same
>penalties, but my editor screws up if I back up too much )?
>

Our autoshop teacher in highschool had a passion for old british sports cars
(Mostly MGB's, with a few Austin Healeys thrown in for good measure).  He 
didn't trust us enough to do work on decent british cars (is this an 
oxymoron?), so we ended up parting out rust buckets with the blue flame 
speed wrench.  These relics from the sixties sometimes came with other 
artifacts from the same era,  such as pipes, joints, etc.  One day we found a 
pipe made out of some air line fittings in an old bug eyed sprite, which got 
him reminescing about the early seventies. He told us how a lot of students 
were smoking funny cigarettes in school, and the principal didn't like it.  So 
the principal got a box made up with a buzzer in it and some lights.  He'd 
take it around to guys he knew were smoking, tell them that it was a pot 
detector, and set it off.  Instant coffession time, few people would smoke in 
school when the principal had a pot detector.... 

Like the pot detector, the dog doesn't have to be real, but either way it 
makes a good deterant.
-- 
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Drew Eckhardt
Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two.		 | drew@cs.colorado.edu
Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix |
From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:47 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <103144@netnews.upenn.edu>, cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello) writes...
> 
> 
>>
>>Just a reminder (I'm sure you all know this anyway):  When you post
>>"I smoke crack" here, you are etching a permanant and public record.
> 
> 
>   NO WAY !   He  could've been speaking theoretically !!
>		More people do this than you think.
> 

I fuckin' quit

I had forgotten about kind buds for so long...

Even that thrashes my lungs, so I'm gonna let it ride straight-edge for 
a while.


Just a reminder.... when you read this posting you create a permanent 
public record of a sub-participant.


-tc


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: Bong Water etc
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:31:39 GMT

In article <AfGnwT200Uh7E47UUK@andrew.cmu.edu> Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In one of the Drug Dog posts someone mentioned that bong water was a good thing
>to spread to distract the dog cause 'I doubt human noses could detect it.'
>All I have to ask is, What!?!?  Bong water REEKS! 
>
>Also, my friends wanted me to post this question:  does smoking SEEDS (not
>separate seeds of mj, but mixed in) cause reproductive system damage?
>
God, I hope not.  I know people who have smoked the seeds with the stuff MANY
times.  They seem to be OK, but who knows.  I have put seeds in my own rolled
cigarettes before to maybe catch a mild buzz at the most.  It seems to have a
nice mild effect, but that's about it.  No reproductive damage yet, although
my girlfriend isn't pregnant (not that I want her to be).  =-)

Mike
From: nimrod@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi (Jukka Airaksinen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 02:03:04 EET
Distribution: world
Organization: nEON fOREST, Oulu Finland

lerner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> Our school recently decided that we will have a drug dog.  Supposedly,
> it can smell just about anything, no matter how much you cover it up.
> I seriously doubt this.  I have heard that coffee will hide the smell,
> and I am wondering if this is true.  Also, what else will hide things
> from the dog?

        Speaking about drug dogs. I wonder would it be safe to
        send LSD, ecstacy or anything identical by mail. In other
        words: do the drug dogs smell also this kind of stuff ?

        Does LSD or ecstacy even smell ?? So, how do *they*
        prevent LSD or ecstacy mailing by post ?
From: tina@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Christina Frederick)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 48 Hours show on LSD
Summary: Looking for video of 11/6 48 hours
Keywords: request, videotape
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:09:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I am looking for a kind hearted soul who videotaped last night's 48 hours
episode on LSD. Unfortunately, I was unable to see the program and also
unable to order a video of the show from 48 hours. For some strange reason
they aren't going to be selling the video, although they said they may
reshow it later this year.

Anyway, my interest is twofold. First,from what I heard some of the research
presented sounds very interesting, as well as morally questionable. By word
of mouth I heard about the treatment of alcoholics with LSD. It sounded
almost as if the researchers were inducing a "bad trip". I can't imagine
this research being okayed by Human subjects board at my U, but you never
know. Second, I teach psychology and this seems like a video that would be
appropriately shown for discussion in health psych or behavioral medicine
classes, two interests of mine. 

Can anyone help me? I am willing to pay for the tape, labor and postage. If
that's a yes to my request, please contact me at:

tina@troi.cc.rochester.edu or tina@uorvm

Thanks,
Tina Frederick
University of Rochester
Rochester, N.Y. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: insight@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Student Consulting Initiative)
Subject: Light places in NYC
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:05:22 GMT

  Does anyone know a place in NYC or Philly area where one can get
HPS or MH lights? I don't want to do mail order. Thanks

-Jeff


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Ketamine <Fwd from daniel>
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:03:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.171253.29783@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:

>Of course, dextromethorphan (actually it may be dextrorphan) is also an
>NMDA antagonist (I think it's also noncompetative), as is PCP.  There's
>something else though; PCP stimulates sigma-opiate receptors and I think
>Ketamine may as well; I don't know about dextro[metho]rphan or MK801.
>Some of the effects of PCP/ketamine may be due to sigma-opioid agonist
>activity.

Yes, there's been some controversy about whether the analgesic effects
were due some opioid mechanism.  My impression is that this probably
isn't the case since quadazocine blocks the "analgesic" effects of opioid 
drugs but not PCP in a tail flick paradigm in rhesus monkeys.  But I
haven't been following this issue too closely.

>And yes, there are cases of psychosis from long-term use of dextromethorphan
>recreationally (although nowhere near as much as with PCP).
>
>>conference which argued that MK-801 induced neurotoxicity on its own.  
>>However, I'd be surprised if the poster wasn't confused here.
>
>I've never seen anything indicating that MK801 (or ketamine for that matter)
>is neurotoxic.  However, in [SO: Brain-Res-Mol-Brain-Res. 1992 Aug 14(4):
>363-8] it was reported that chronic use of NMDA antagonists causes 
>synthesis of D2 receptors (in rat striatum).  I can't help but wonder if
>acute use of PCP or ketamine might not affect dopaminergic systems.

There's definitely some important interactions there.  PCP squirted into
rats' nucleus accumbems causes dopamine release, according to microdilysis
studies.

>-- 
>|  Bill White   +1-614-594-3434     | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu             |
>|  31 Curran Dr., Athens OH  45701  | bwhite@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate) |
>|  SCA: Erasmus Marwick, Dernehealde Pursuivant, Dernehealde, Middle Kingdom  |

    --Matt
From: copley-devon@cs.yale.edu (Devon Copley)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Trippy Stuff
Date: 10 Jan 1993 01:54:55 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: chameleon.zoo2.cs.yale.edu

I think it would be really cool if there were a file of a bunch of really
trippy things to read while stoned.  I'm willing to compile that file if
you all are willing to send stuff!  So consider this a request:  send me
the trippiest text file you've got.  I'll collect them and post the collection
for everyone's use.

Devon

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Devon M. Copley		       					Yale University
copley-devon@cs.yale.edu       Theatre Studies, Computer Science and Psychology
COPDEVM@YALEVM.BITNET		       "No matter where you go, there you are."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:36:20 GMT

epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: >     
: > I think you miss the point.  It's not so much that people are now
: > inconvenienced by not being able to keep drugs in their lockers, but
: > their civil rights are being violated by an illegal search.  Odds are,
: 
: 
: > there are at least a few students in the school who have nothing to do
: > with any sorts of illegal drugs.  The police, the school, and the dog
: > have no right to bother these students.
: 
: There's no description for the retarded hilariousity I had when I read that.
: In my mind that can be paraphrased "Drivers who obey the speed limit should
: not have to be bothered by the extra traffic of all those police cars"
: give me a break.

How would you like a police officer to enter your house, at any time he
wished, just because his dog "indicated"? It would be the same thing.

I am willing to bet that you would scream bloody murder.

Bill
From: aholdern@zeus.calpoly.edu (Andy "skis" Holderness)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: You idiots (Was Bong water etc)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:47:57 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1993Jan7.150650.28722@starbase.trincoll.edu> () writes:
>Bong water reeks, and will only attract attention. Always change your water
>on a regular basis. I had two friends in college who would add a bit of
>water on occasion, only because they never changed it and some evaporated.
>We're talking syrup. Gross to smoke through, and a real ticking bomb. Spill
>it and you're fucked for days. Keep it clean and presto... wipe up, smell
>is gone by dinner time.
>
>Seeds won't get you stoned, butthead. THC is found in the resing glands,
>which are found only in buds and leaves. Very little in leaves. None in the
>stems... absolutely none in the seeds. Seeds also taste bad and can ruin a
>good j. But hey, if you really like smoking seeds, I'll send you all of my
>old or lame ones. But you have to promise to smoke them all in one day, ok?
>Live match heads are neat, too.
Actually my cat tells me that the very thin membrane around the seedds
has a THC content. But removing said membrane is definately not worth
the effort. But if your really jonesin' a couple of hours of work might
get you a bong load :)

-- 
-Andy
"it was fall of '86. Me and God were watching the series. Two outs in
the 9th a slow grounder was hit to first, when God says to me "you
know, I dont like the Red Sox much."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: LSD: 5HT agonist or antagonist? (was Re: LSD)
Keywords: LSD
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:08:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.171634.353@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:

>TI: Do classical hallucinogens act as 5-HT2 agonists or antagonists?
>AU: Glennon-RA
>SO: Neuropsychopharmacology. 1990 Oct-Dec; 3(5-6): 509-517
>
>The conclusion of this researcher is that hallucinogens are 5HT2 (and
>presumably 5HT1c) partial agonists; it is very unlikely they are pure
>5HT2 antagonists.  They are probably not full agonists at 5HT2 receptors.
>Partial agonists often show antagonistic effects since neuroreceptors
>are not simple binary switches.

Right.  Which is why it bugs me that the Merck should just call LSD
a serotonin antagonist.

BTW, I also recommend Bill White's reference.  Glennon is a very
interesting researcher.

>-- 
>|  Bill White   +1-614-594-3434     | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu             |
>|  31 Curran Dr., Athens OH  45701  | bwhite@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate) |
>|  SCA: Erasmus Marwick, Dernehealde Pursuivant, Dernehealde, Middle Kingdom  |

     --M@
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dwdyer@eskimo.com (Wayne Dyer)
Subject: Re: Want info on HUFFING
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:20:53 GMT

dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl) writes:
> In article ePa3wB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us, danmar@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Daniel Marsalone) writes:
> >   I saw Maury Povich the other day and he had a show on huffing.
> >I had never heard of it before and the show was really lame. The just 
> >said that huffing was bad and "Say no to Huffing
> >   
[...]
> I never knew anyone who sniffed natural gas, though there was
> a punk band in the 80's called Gas Huffer, wasn't there?

Janitors of Tomorrow.  Aren't they still around?  I see posters here in
Seattle now and again.
 
-- 
Wayne Dyer, aka   || "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them.
dwdyer@eskimo.com ||  The will to a system is a lack of integrity."  F.W.N.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:59:30 GMT

   This has been an interesting thread, but I really don't see the point in
bringing drugs to school. If you can't even wait till you get home, you
obviously have a problem.
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.magick,alt.pagan,talk.abortion
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:07:59 GMT

"amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:



>Ever thought that perhaps a legal abortion isn't a POSSABILITY for
>this situation?  Perhaps they don't have the money... perhaps the
>hoops you must jump through in their state are too difficult.  Perhaps
>she is past the 12 week mark and the state only allows abortions for
>certain reasons after that point, or another point.  

If that is the case, an herbal emmanagogue won't work either; they
must be used fairly early on.

>Can't someone just answer the damn question?  

Not on your life.  Not to a stranger, on the net, to a man.  If they
can't be bothered to go find a book on herbology and study it, I'm not
going to give them any information that could be damaging to the
woman, and then find myself responsible for the death or illness of
her.  Aside from legal protection, my *own* conscience wouldn't let me
do it.
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: good vodka in finland, but bad karma
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:51:12 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
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cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence) writes:
>can't comprehend why you think it would cure alcoholism.  First, as I've
>mentioned above, you cannot "cure" alcoholism -- you can regulate the behavior. 

We just don't know how to cure it yet.  For the genetically inherated
tendency that might indicate a biochemical problem we just don't have
the neurochemical knowledge. 

>Second, as mentioned in past messages, a  "positive experience" isn't going to
>change an alcoholic's need for his substance.

True if its some kind of physiological or neurochemical problem.  Possibly
false if its a psychological/personality problem (see below). 

>Third, most of the alcohol
>abusers who aren't alcoholics are of the addictive personality type, which
>would lead them to become MDMA abusers, despite the high tolerance initiated
>with each trip ("abuse" comes in many forms, not just what has been the
>attempted stereotype here: massive consumption).

The trip is that LSD or MDMA can help a person change their personality,
for example, by overcoming previous trauma.  Read _MDMA: The Ecstasy Story_,
_Phenethylamines I Have Known and Loved_ or _Through the Gateway of the
Heart.

  Fourth, alcohol is a
>different sort of drug than MDMA, which means that those who choose to continue
>abusing it (not the worst choice in the world, if you have an Irish liver) will
>probably not take to it like the magic breast Sean has suggested.
>	So, JJJ, I am sorry for your newspapers.  They suck in this country
>too; I worked for one.  I am sorry that you do not understand alcohol very
>well, but it places you in good company in this sub, where few people seem to. 
>I am sorry addiction, alcoholism, and the nature of regulating oneself are
>misunderstood.  But I know that I am correct, and before you spew off another
>abusive message about my assertions to this end, save it:  my experience has
>depth (in this area) and would make sense if you understood alcohol better.  As
>for your mission to rewrite science & medicine so your precious drugs (well,
>mine, too) countrymen do not rage on drugs too much, I wish you luck, but
>you're bashing away in the wrong area without any effective weapons.

You're still behaving like an idiot for basing your judgement of MDMA/LSD
on alcohol.  I have *never* heard of someone having any psychological
insight or (in the extreme) a religious experience on alcohol.  While MDMA
and LSD do give some people those kinds of experiences.
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: drug dog
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 12:48:52 -0800

Well the drug dog won't catch you with LSD...its about the only drug that is
almost totally undetectable.
From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with a drug dog?(was RE:Drug dog()
Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:35:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, writes:
>Who the fuck cares if there's a drug dog at LHS.
>Lets look at the consequenses assuming noone fucks around
>with the dog as is being generally suggested here.
>
>a) there will be no(or less) drugs at school.
>
>b) It will be less easy to get high at school.
>
>c) It will be very hard to distribute drugs at school.
>
>So what some of you netters are suggesting are ways to impair
>that innocent dogs senses just so that a b and c dont become
>true.  Look at yourselves folk, do drugs really belong in
>school even if youre pro-legalization.  Oh, and BTW, LHS is
>Lawrence(,KS) HIGH SCHOOL.
 
Most of them are probably suggesting said tactics more as an 
anonymous method of civil disobedience, not so much as a 
tactic to increase drug activity in a high school!
 
Besides, if anyone actually wants to deal drugs in the high 
school, the first thing they're gonna do is everything that 
has been said.  So the whole point is kinda moot.  
 
-- 
Never do this at home.  Look how easily it killed this sig.
/\  ___/\  ___/\  _____________________________________________
  \/     \/     \/  bx461@cleveland.freenet.edu (Leo J. Mauler)
DISCLAIMER: Everything I say is false, including this sentence.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Dutch seed banks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:01:54 GMT

treefreeeco@igc.apc.org (Paul Stanford) writes:
: 
: Yes, people are caught and incarcerated for ordering Dutch hemp seed. Watch it!

They do? From what I remember, the courts have ruled that hemp seeds did not
contain enough THC to be considered a banned drug.  Has that changed in the
last few years?

Bill
From: 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 60's tolerance
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:49:28 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1imtf8INNqtn@tamsun.tamu.edu>, ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.4616.23628@dosgate>, "derek finlay" <derek.finlay@canrem.com> writes:
> |> ... The last cycle
> |> started at the turn of the century when cocain and heroin could be
> |> bought at your local apothecary shop along with a hypo if you did it
> |> that way... then it became illegal then and frowned upon. The sixites
> |> rolled on and tollerance was high again, alot of people wanted to and
> |> did try it. Now tolerance is very low... 
> 
>    Where do people get this idea that psychoactive drug use was 
> tolerated in the 60's?  MJ has been illegal since the 30's,
> and in the early 60's, very few people *knew* about LSD.
> (Of course there was no net news either.)  Narc paranioa,
> and egregeous sentencing were invented in the 60's.

'Tolerance' is pretty well correlated with the skin color/ethnicity
of the mass-mind demon-image of the 'drug fiends,' as well as the
demographics of who is actually going to jail.  In most places,
even simple possession of marijuana was a major felony until
the very late '60s or early '70s, when the decriminalization
wave began to gain momentum.  But, practically, drug enforcement
became *very* selective during the 'Counterculture' era when
the typical drug bust victims were the kids of the white middle-class,
rather than the black/Hispanic archetypes that had shaped anti-
marijuana laws and black/white-trash archetypes that had shaped
anti-opiate/cocaine laws.  But *poor* people still went to jail;
in fact, around here, drug prosecutions were used as a tool
against generic criminals the way the Feds used tax violations to
get Al Capone.  Us white boys did *not*, however, unless we got
totally crazy and out of control.

The big shift came about not because of Reaganism, swings of the
politico-cultural pendulum, etc., (although these were probably
contributing factors), but because it all came to be seen as
a black thing.

I'll still bet there isn't a lot of energy expended busting
professors' kids and judges' kids.  Cops aren't *that* stupid....

Christopher Gunn	Molecular Graphics and Modeling Lab
SPAN--KUPHSX::GUNN	Department of Medicinal Chemistry, Malott Hall
913-864-4428 or -4495	University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS  66045
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an4263@anon.penet.fi (Deaf Inca Diva)
Subject: LSD Return Trip on CBS
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:31:56 GMT

Did anyone see this? To CBS's credit, IMHO this was more factual than
I expected. Opinions?
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