HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Forcing a Macintosh File Save Onto Floppy
Keywords: Macintosh toolbox, (not) SCSI
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:56:19 GMT
Reply-To: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Organization: Just Some Guy
Originator: swb@mickey.cc.utexas.edu


	Alan Rosenthal's last post (sadly deleted) reminds me of hacking
on the Macintosh myself.

	I am trying to get a program that captures text from an Internet
session to save the file ONLY on a floppy disk.  That is, the program
currently doesn't even bring up a dialogue box to ask for the saved
file name or the proper folder or whatnot, but I am learning how to
do that through the Toolbox.

	However, the floppy drive is not a SCSI device, so I don't know
how to specify it.  For security reasons, putting up a dialogue box that
would allow a user to see the hard drive is a Bad Thing (tm).

AnecdotalHack: Not mine, but interesting: a friend once fiddled around long
	       enough with a spare LaserWriter (Plus, I believe) to get it
	       to act as a personal computer.  The CPU was pretty feeble,
	       but it sounds neat nonetheless.

					Steve.
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From: jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: just a lowly test + a minor hack
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:02:23 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Testing ...

ObHack:  This:) and attempting to interface a Z80 to a PC.

-Lee.

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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: stu@hitchcock (Stuart F. Oberman)
Subject: Re: /etc/passwords
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: stu@eng.uiowa.edu
Organization: Department of Elect. and Comp. Engr., University of Iowa, USA.

Regarding the format of the encryption scheme used by UNIX systems,
check the man pages on crypt. The resulting encryption is always 13
characters and stored either in a password file on the individual
machine in /etc/passwd, or in the yellow pages if using NFS
yellow pages. Using a ypcat will generate an equivalent file of login
information.

Obhack: Implementing the aforementioned trojan horse
scheme, where the yellow pages is consulted and password is verified
before it writes to a file. However, while this is (somewhat) easily
done, an additional challenge is to log the user in and mask your own
process, so that the entire event appears transparent.

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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: dylan@ibmpcug.co.uk (Matthew Farwell)
Subject: Re: not a test
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.081515.20368@cbfsb.cb.att.com> cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen) writes:
>Well, I thought about it some more, and someone replied that my solution would
>be too inflexible. So first, we could externally #define the field separator.
>Now it's a space, but you could easily see it changed to \t in the future.
>The second is that maybe there are more than 1 FS's between the fields, so 
>you'd have to skip them.

Cor.  That'd make, lets see 2 changes to my version of this program.
The last parameter to split() is the field seperator.

Dylan.
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From: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: BYU Telnet Capturing of 3270 screens
Keywords: screen presentation, Macintosh
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Organization: Just Some Guy
Originator: swb@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

Preface: If this is readable, I may have been the first person to ever use
	 alt.flame constructively.

	I am designing a Public Information Station for the Library here
at UT-Austin, and am accessing various information sources using NCSA/BYU
Telnet 2.5 (the one with session capturing).  The problem is, some machines,
most notably our own online card catalog, run on a IBM 3270 clone (Amdahl,
but that's not important).  The 3270 screen layout instructions are not given
in terms of spaces and tabs, but rather in terms of screen location.  For
example:

Word			Word		Word

is not sent as:

Word____________________Word____________Word (_ = space)

but rather:

Word20xWord12xWord (where x represents some horrible EBCDIC thing)

	Thus when I use NCSA/BYU Telnet for the Mac, whenever I capture a
3270 session, I get everything all run together instead of nicely delineated
as it appears on the screen.  Anyone run across this before?

ObHack: Using alt.flame constructively to figure out how to post here.
	Either that or learning how to rebuild blanked program groups in
	  Microsoft Windows for the IBM-PC.

					Steve.
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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: arc@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Andrew Conway)
Subject: Re: Equipment Source
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:23:07 GMT

york@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Wild William) writes:

>I am still working on my NTSC to VGA project and need sources for the
>hardware components.

>TV tuner.

Get this out of a TV.

If you don't want to search for the appropriate point, get a VCR,
and just use the video output.

>D/A converters and A/D converters.

Local corner-electronics component store.

>Things like that...

>any ideas?

Actually building a NTSC decoder yourself if likely to be fairly
difficult, and if you have to ask questions like that then you
would probably find it very difficult. You would probably be best
off looking for a commercial device. Look in one of the ``products''
newsgroups.

ObHack: Bootstrapping a system by programming a static RAM chip on one
computer, placing a battery accross it, and physically removing it and
putting it into another system.  [ Reason? EPROM was too slow...but fast
static RAM was available ].

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Signature virus catcher below:
|awk '{ if (!found) { if ($1=="|awk") found=1; else print; }}'
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: nimouat@napier.waterloo.edu (Nikos Mouat)
Subject: Re: Forgery
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.105838.8871@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner) writes: 
> know what? C really kicks Pascal in the head.

Understatement of a [programmers] lifetime.
From: neilb@scs.leeds.ac.uk (Neil Bowers)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:16:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>Ok, drop the other shoe, then.
>
>I don't want code, just an idea of what a better solution for a random
>sig generator would be.

Couple of quick ideas, depends on how often you want to change your sig

daily:	setup a script which soft-links .signature to one of your collection
	of signatures.

each rn session:
	have a script "my<newsreader>", which makes a soft-link before exec'ing
	<newsreader>

every post:
	take a copy of (Pnews|inews) and modify it, to pick a different sig
	each time
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: howesb@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Howes)
Subject: Re: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:54 GMT

In article <82mm#9=.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>ObSheesh:  named pipes, migawd!  A classic example of approaching this
>problem from the wrong end.

How about a personal daemon to change the .signature file if its access time
changes?  Cron-ify it so that it doesn't waste CPU time.  Much.

Obhack: Writing a program that sits in a temporary directory and nukes files
shortly after their access and modification times disagree.  When all files are
gone, self-destruct.  This is useful if you're downloading files to a PC via
ethernet and FTP.  You can do an 'mget *' and the files will be gone when
you're done.

Actually, since a file exists if it is held open, you could create an
'imaginary file' server.  How could anybody recover the data if they didn't
go through the server?  
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber)
Subject: Re: Forgery
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:06:54 GMT

In <Brsy56.6po@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> PPan@Fairytale (Peter Pan) writes:

>     A couple of post ago, someone mentioned something about writing a 
>trojan horse login program to collect and store userids and passwords.
>Did you get it to work? Its fairly trivial actually, for this reason I always
>do a fake login before really logging in to make sure everything is 'real'.

	Of course, you realize that only wins if the author of the trojan
	doesn't fake login failure twice.  Better to power cycle the
	terminal if it's in a public place.  If you're logging in from a PC
	in a public place you're on your own.  Maybe you should change your
	password after every login :-)

>   I tried writing a program like this once, and it was a real pain in the ass.
	
	That's why hacking is better than cracking.  One's mostly a matter
	of persistance, one's style and flair.

ObHack: Writing a fake, application specific RPC to hack up a prototype to
        play with before our application environment gets moved to RPC.
	The hack should allow the prototypes to be moved seamlessly to the
	RPC environment.
>
>--
"There are things that are so serious that you can only joke about them."
   -- Heisenberg

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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale)
Subject: Re: Forged Post
Keywords: Nothing
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:01:47 GMT

In article <Bs2A4s.70y@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, Spiff@nowhere writes:
> This is not a forged post.

> Sender: nimouat@napier.waterloo.edu (Nikos Mouat)

Guess not.

Steve
From: miss059@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Pug)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: /etc/passwords
Keywords: what kind of encription
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:12:07 GMT
Organization: Pug's Pub and Pleasure Palace

In article <Brt4nI.IFw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> nimouat@napier.waterloo.edu (Nikos Mouat) writes:
>What kind of encoding scheme is used, is it RSA?
>I noticed in the file, a userid, a bunch of letters, and a couple of
>numbers, followed by a bunch of finger info.
>Are the two numbers your n and p (I forget precisely how rsa encription works)
>And if it is RSA encryption, does it use the unix ASCII equivalent to 
>encode the letters? 

Try looking at passwd.c. It'll give you some ideas. That's where the
encryption is done. If I remember right, it's an almost irreversible
process. Login will encode what you type in and check it against what it
has stored in /etc/passwd.

Have fun.

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Phelim Utred Gervas      Society       |        teach you *HOW* to learn 
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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)
Subject: test
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:52:04 GMT


Just a test.....
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From: alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Coopersmith)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: not a test
Date: 24 Jul 1992 05:01:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Bezerkeley Overloaded Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

In article <0JNHGMG@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
)In article <1992Jul23.101031.27724@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
)>good god, please just use strtok().  Get to know your friendly neighbourhood C
)>library.  This is EXACTLY what strtok() is for.
)
)Good god, please don't use strtok. It's inherently non-reentrant and it's not
)even usable in cooperative threads. Define a new function that operates on a
)string handle or a string file, but let strtok die a well deserved death.

From the strings.h man page of Apollo Domain O/S 10.4: (which has a threads
interface based on Mach's)
     The strtok_r function is the reentrant version of strtok.  Upon
     successful completion, the first character of the next token is stored
     in **last_string, and a value of 0 (zero) is returned.

This from the dying O/S that is supplying many of its features to OSF/1...


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Newsgroups: alt.hackers,alt.hackers.malicious
From: kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev)
Subject: Horrible death of alt.hackers.malicious
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kibirev@csa
Summary: :( 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:04:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: csa.bu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


> 0 articles in alt.hackers.malicious - read now [Y,N]?

This is already for about a weak. My attempts to post (w. approval, of course)
end in electronic void. What a pity. Just think that now you'll have no place
except alt.hell to send posters you don't like here. 

I hope that some alt.hacker with enough knowledge can ressurect the group.

ObHack: Sending me some hints about doing the above together with your flame.

Oleg Kibirev
From: alex@npd.Novell.COM (Alex Radulovic)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Blah
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:16:45 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.


Does anyone know of any "folding" editor available (PD of course) ???

ObHack: making an 8 drive IDE controller (non-pc) out of 6 PALs & 8 245s <grin>
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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Organization: Slug Hordes of the Planet Gamma
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:30:12 GMT

Matt Russotto:
>ObHack: A version of Pnews which posts through a mail-to-news gateway.
>(no flames if such a thing is PD somewhere...).  

PD?  why bother?  take standard Pnews and have it ship the completed
article with /bin/mail to a server instead of inews.  even the headers
are already done for ya...

andrew
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: /etc/passwords
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:37:49 GMT

nimouat@napier.waterloo.edu (Nikos Mouat) writes:
> What kind of encoding scheme is used, is it RSA?
> I noticed in the file, a userid, a bunch of letters, and a couple of
> numbers, followed by a bunch of finger info.
> Are the two numbers your n and p (I forget precisely how rsa encription works)
> And if it is RSA encryption, does it use the unix ASCII equivalent to 
> encode the letters? 

Nobody has actually answered the second bit of the question which is
that those 2 numbers are your user id and group id. The key for the
encryption is the first two characters of the encoded password.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu

Testing, and:

ObHack:  Getting that named pipe to plan to work on a cluster of
         networked suns that all use the same home directories...

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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: bsy+@cs.cmu.edu (Bennet Yee)
Subject: Re: Debugging program on mailing machine
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:42:17 GMT
Organization: Cranberry Melon, School of Cucumber Science

In article <5126@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> valdis@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks) writes:
>In article <6NQHY31@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>Wow. You're showing anyone who can read the mail spool on half a dozen systems
>>how to execute any arbitrary program on your account, with your password in
>>plaintext no less!
>>
>>Shouldn't this be in alt.hackers.malicious? :->
>
>Peter: No.
>
>This belongs in alt.hackers.shot.self.in.foot ;)

If yunz actually skimmed through the code, you'd see that he sends the
password thru the socket, not in the email.  The email only triggers a
subproc that listens for incoming connections and do password
authentication prior to spawning anything else.  Thus, if you can
listen to IP traffic, you can get the password, but telnet is
vulnerable to that too.  Of course, there are other cryptographic
techniques that could be used to eliminate (secret) information leaked
in the message exchange (zero knowledge protocols).

Anyhow, the author isn't _that_ clueless.  Alas, the author also
``flames'' about procs that just sits around forwarding traffic and
actually complements DOS.  Apparently he's never heard of
sendmsg(2)/recvmsg(2) nor figured out how talk(1ucb) works.

Sigh.

-bsy

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School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
From: Spiff@nowhere
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Forged Post
Keywords: Nothing
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:00:27 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: nowhere

This is not a forged post.
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:31:31 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul27.231625.18562@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> ben@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen) writes:
>
>    So, every user should have there own version of inews?  That may
>satisfy one person.  You could, of course, modify inews to run a .file,
>but still, named pipes allow for a certain variety that would not otherwise
>be possible.  Named pipes in UNIX might not be the world's best
>implementation, but, what feature in UNIX is implemented nicely?  Lets
>face it, the semantics of half of UNIX leave something to be desired...
>however, that is a lot better then most other OS's.

Each user only needs his own copy of the Pnews script, at least with
rn-- that's no biggee.

ObHack: A version of Pnews which posts through a mail-to-news gateway.
(no flames if such a thing is PD somewhere...).  


-- 
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Xref: sparky alt.hackers:1172 comp.unix.shell:3138 alt.sources:1758 news.newusers.questions:3432
From: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers,comp.unix.shell,alt.sources,news.newusers.questions
Subject: Newgroup/rmgroup 1.1
Date: 26 Jul 92 10:38:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sources.d
Organization: Sex, UNIX & Rock 'n Roll

This program automates the task of maintaining newsgroups a little.
It's actually one program with 2 names, depending on its name it does
either a newgroup or a rmgroup.
WARNING: creating or removing non-alt and non-local newsgroups will
make you very unpopular, so please don't do that !!

Rob
------------
#! /bin/sh
# This is a shell archive.  Remove anything before this line, then unpack
# it by saving it into a file and typing "sh file".  To overwrite existing
# files, type "sh file -c".  You can also feed this as standard input via
# unshar, or by typing "sh <file", e.g..  If this archive is complete, you
# will see the following message at the end:
#		"End of shell archive."
# Contents:  newgroup rmgroup
# Wrapped by rob@wzv on Sun Jul 26 12:31:24 1992
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb ; export PATH
if test -f newgroup -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then 
  echo shar: Will not over-write existing file \"newgroup\"
else
echo shar: Extracting \"newgroup\" \(964 characters\)
sed "s/^X//" >newgroup <<'END_OF_newgroup'
X#!/bin/sh
X# newgroup/rmgroup 1.1 - Automatically create/remove a useless newsgroup.
X#
X# (c) copyright 1992 Rob J. Nauta (rob@wzv.win.tue.nl). Permission is
X# granted to abuse this program in any way that you want, as long as
X# you don't abuse my name !
X#
X# Some definitions. If they don't work, you can hardcode in other values.
X#
XNNTPSERVER=`hostname`
XWORD='x'
XUSER=`whoami`
XHOST=`hostname`
X#
Xcase `basename $0` in
X'newgroup')	WORD=`basename $0` ;;
X'rmgroup')	WORD=`basename $0` ;;
Xesac
Xcase $WORD in
X'x')	echo "$0 must be called either 'newgroup' or 'rmgroup' !";exit ;;
Xesac
Xcase $1 in
X'')	echo "Usage: $0 <newsgroupname>.";exit ;;
Xesac
X(echo group control
X echo post
X echo Path: $HOST\!$USER
X echo From: $USER@$HOST
X echo Newsgroups: control
X echo Distribution: world
X echo Subject: $WORD $1
X echo Control: $WORD $1
X echo Approved: $USER@$HOST
X echo ''
X echo This group is totally bogus, dude.
X echo .
X echo quit
X sleep 4
X) | telnet $NNTPSERVER 119 >/dev/null
END_OF_newgroup
if test 964 -ne `wc -c <newgroup`; then
    echo shar: \"newgroup\" unpacked with wrong size!
fi
chmod +x newgroup
echo shar: Linking \"rmgroup\" to \"newgroup\".
ln newgroup rmgroup
# end of overwriting check
fi
echo shar: End of shell archive.
exit 0
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