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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:54:03 GMT

In article <1jvnn0INNsu7@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>So what's people's feelings about Zoe Baird's hassles with finding
>appropriate child care?

Zoe Baird makes lots and lots of money.  I think if she had tried REALLY
hard, she could have found someone to hire legally.  Aren't there
employment agencies and the like?  I personally don't buy her story
that they put an ad in the paper and got no responses, unless maybe
the ad was placed in Tibet.

Somewhere, someone's out of work and qualified and would have jumped at
the chance to work for a rich family.
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From: Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com>
Subject: Re: students/interns at delivery and pediatricians
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78B60522D0100EB@cdr-va-macs2-dynamic.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:40:34 GMT
Organization: Private
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 05:39:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194450.25945@dsd.es.com> Kerri South,
ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com writes:
>Because it's a teaching hospital, the midwives get a lot of grief when
they
>refuse to let students/interns in. Nevertheless, the midwives will
respect
>the parents wishes on this. That's why I've chosen these midwives. They
>give all respect and freedom of choice on many matters to the parents.
>If a midwifery student wishes to be present, I will welcome that. In
fact,
>if a midwife student is at the birth, then the hospital is happy and
doesn't
>try to have all manner of other students present.

I delivered both of my children at Stanford - a teaching hospital.
However, my ob's were part of a private practice (Women's Health).
"Private" patients are not seen by students or interns. If your routine
care is through the Stanford Clinic, or you are a "walk-in", then you may
be seen and cared for by students and interns as well as staff doctors. 

My daughter spent several days in the NICU. While she was on the
respirator she was under the care of the NICU staff - doctors, students,
interns, nurses - with frequent consultations with her pediatrician (Matt
Eisenberg). When she was able to breath unassisted, she was under the
care of the pediatrician I chose - no staff doctors, students or interns.

Sometimes the pediatricians at PAMF have students or interns shadowing
them for a day or part of a day. That was the case last week when I
brought my daughter in. She had a very bad case of RSV (a respiratory
virus) (border line on admitting her to the hospital due to low blood
oxygenation and poor ability to eat).  During this visit, she had chest
x-rays taken to rule out pneumonia. An abnormality, which was not noted
on her new born X-rays was seen. A two or more centimeter something that
was not seen three months earlier is very worrisome.  (Back to the
original thread) In the exam room with two doctors and their shadows,
babies, stoller, and mom worried sick about her little girl, the shadows
stayed out of the way as best they could. At the end of each portion, the
doctors would suggest the shadow look, listen, or whatever.

Back to my daughter - her newborn films were pulled and she did have
something at birth. Generally congenital "lumps" or tumors are benign and
asymptomatic. It probably originates from one of her bronchii, but since
it is right next to the heart, it could be an anuerism (sp). She is going
in for a CT Scan tomorrow to attempt to get a definitive diagnosis.

Sorry to ramble a bit. Intelectually, I'm not too worried. As a mom, I'm
worried sick about my baby. 

Carol        ctopp@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: >>>> nipple confusion and feeding newborn glucose-water??
Reply-To: xtkmg@trentu.ca
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:33:23 GMT

In article <1jhespINN5vq@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>If I had worried more about horror stories and refused to have bottles of 
>sugar water given to my child, I could have avoided a pointless, traumatic 
>experience.

If I had a sig file, this would be the quote in it. What Paula says is
so true, and it fits my experience too. I had heard of nipple confusion,
even told my doctor I didn't want the baby getting bottles, but I
ended up deciding these were just horror stories and that nipple
confusion was a rare thing that ordinary people didn't need to worry
about. Wrong! Wrong for me, anyway, and we didn't really gain anything
from those darn bottles anyway.

Kate


Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.parents-teens
From: jdean@cwis.unomaha.edu (Janet Dean)
Subject: Re: Parenting Teens
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:03:53 GMT



Wendy Lin,

I would be interested in corresponding with someone else who is
entrenched with a 13 year-old girl.

Janet Dean
From: SFR@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Susan F. Riley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: S.T.E.P.
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:49:43 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I know this has been discussed before but I never paid much attention to it
unfortunately.  My son's school is offering a class (8 weeks, 2 hour sessions).
Worth taking?

Susan F. Riley
University of Maine System
Computer and Data Processing Services
Orono, Maine 04469
(207)581-3530
From: anvick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Janet Anvick)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:04:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for vacation suggestions in CA with 18MO
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

How about Lake Tahoe in the summer.  The water is warmer on the North side of
the lake.  Our son Keith enjoyed playing near the water in the sand.  Also, 
short day hikes are good.  Get a good backpack to carrier your son.  Our son
enjoyed riding in the backpack and walking some.  

Yosemite would be another nice area.  You could get a tent cabin.  But get 
used to your son being dirty and enjoying himself.  My son enjoys the campfires.

It is surprising how quickly they grow up.  My son is 3 yrs old now.  Other 
activities he enjoyed (and still enjoys) are the zoo (especially a kids petting
zoo), Discovery Zone (lots of tunnels/balls, an indoor play area), Children's
Discovery Museum (San Jose), Monterey Bay Aquarium, Marine World.  In general
places where he could "run around" and see/touch many things.  

Enjoy your vacation.  Try not to do too much.  Have a lot of time just walking/
exploring the beach, streams, animals, etc.

Janet Anvick, Cupertino, CA.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Things you do to save time
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:21:04 GMT

I'm sure that for most of us, the time we spend with our children is
very precious, and we'd love to have more of it.  If you've found a
way to shave a couple minutes off of a routine task, please share it
with us.  Thanks in advance!

- Cindy Windham
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:00:44 GMT

In <1993Jan21.162656.6962@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.202617.2000@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>alper@sushi.psych.nwu.edu (Theodore M. Alper) writes:
    >>
    >>2) Anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that, in later years, my son 
    >>   stands a better chance of finding others willing to perform oral sex 
    >>   upon him should he be circumcised. ...
    >>  
>Run that by me again. You're saying that there are a reasonable amount
>of women who, assuming they are at a level of involvement with a man
>that they will consider fellating him, change their minds based on the
>fact that a guy is uncircumcised? Does anybody else think that?

*Lots* of women I know think so.  But the percentage goes down
somewhat if the guy in question has just stepped out of the shower and
you know he's cleaned under his foreskin.  Not the usual context for
sex, though.

Love conquers all but the gag reflex.


--cas
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
Subject: children's book reviews - results
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:56:35 GMT



We received only one no vote on the idea of posting children's
book reviews here, so we're going to go ahead for now and see
how it goes.  The reviews will be under the subject THE WEB
ONLINE REVIEW, followed by a grade indicator (picture books,
easy reader, middle-grade, young-adult are the standard terms).
We'll also put a subject in the keywords when it seems appropriate.
Please keep sending feedback, preferably by e-mail.

-- 
Evan Hunt, Asst. Editor, THE WEB
For more information about THE WEB, e-mail to evanh@sco.COM.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Questions of experienced Infant Massagers
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:30:31 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I don't know the book, but we had a woman demonstrate oiled baby
massage at our birth reunion, when the babies we about 3 months old.

They *all* loved it. We have sporadically (never gotten into a
routine) massaged the kids as infants and older. I'm sure it's good
for their development, relieving tensions (yes, baby muscles get
tired, too!), and gives another kind of contact.

The woman who demonstrated for us recommended letting the baby lead -
if the baby squirms a part of their body away, or presents a part of
their body, go with the flow. I would certainly stop if the baby seems
to not be having a good time, and try again later. As for in his sleep
- I guess you could try it and see how it goes, but I would think 2 or
3 short sessions while he's awake and in a good mood would also work.

We just put the baby down on a few receiving blankets (washable) and
took our chances. We didn't actually get severely showered, although
we did have some cloth diapers available to cover up fountains -- I
don't remember if we had some or not, my baby at the time was a girl.
I would think you could put a diaper on loosely, and/or only take it
off when it's in the way of the massaging. Me, I don't mind

We didn't bathe them after the massage, just picked them up with a
towel, held them for a few minutes, then dressed them.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: tjt@dogfish.oki.com (Tom Teixeira)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: twins faq?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:46:30 GMT
Organization: Oki Advanced Products Division
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tjt@oki.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: dogfish.oki.com

In article <C0tqLJ.20C@world.std.com>, mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin) writes:
[ stuff deleted ]

|> When people say :"double trouble" to me, I just say "double blessing".
|> What irks me the most are the multitudes that say, "You sure do have
|> your hands full".  I want to say "DUH!"

One of our twin books mentions one couple that got tee-shirts which said on the front:

	YES, THEY'RE IDENTICAL

and on the back:

	YES, THEY'RE A HANDFUL

Sounds like a good idea to me ...
-- 
Thomas J. Teixeira	Oki Advanced Products Division
508-460-8653 (Voice)	100 Nickerson Road
508-480-9635 (Fax)	Marlborough, MA 01752
tjt@oki.com		"Insert your quote here." B. Stroustroup
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: Zoe Baird's woes
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:02:30 -0600
Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

re: Zoe B's woes...

If we follow the proportions, Zoe used to make 500,000 $/K a year;
or, maybe 10 times what I make, give or take a few :-). Correspondingly,
she should be able to pay 10 times what I am paying for day care, 
or $6,000 a month (ours is $600/month for an infant).

At $6,000 a month, Zoe should have hired *me*.  I am great with kids,
can drive, do the garden, run errands, etc. 

I have a green card, too!!

(lotsa :-), long day playing daddy while mommy was busy working)

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:41:39 GMT

My younger son just turned 6.  He has, so far, been a dedicated thumb-
sucker.  He has had lots of social problems (the archetypical "spirited
child" for those who have read the book), and we have not made a big
deal about the thumb-sucking, because he uses it as a tension reducer,
and it seems to help.  

Last March, Nicky was memorizing a poem for a school storytelling contest.
He chose "Being Five"  (from _Alligator_Pie/Garbage_Delight_ by Dennis Lee).
It goes:

I'm not exactly big, and I'm not exactly little
But being 5 is best of all, because it's in the middle.
A person likes to ride his bike around the block a lot,
And being 5 is big enough, but being 4 is not.
And then he likes to settle down and suck his thumb a bit,
And being 5 is small enough, but when you're 6 you quit.
I've thought about it in my mind (being 5, I mean).
And why I like it best of all is `cause it's in between.

In the course of learning the poem (BTW, he was second in his grade (says the
proud mum)), he seems to have convinced himself that he should quit sucking 
his thumb when he turned 6.  He has recently been working hard to stop.  We
have been encouraging without pushing him (yesterday, he asked me to put 
some dry skin cream on his thumb before bed so he would remember not to 
suck it), and if he is as determined about this as he is about most other 
things, he will certainly succeed soon.

(My older son was a devoted thumbsucker when he was a baby, but when he was
about 13 months old, he got a cold with a very stuffy nose, and the skin on
his thumb got chapped and cracked.  He quit thumb-sucking then, either because
his thumb hurt too much, or he didn't like the taste of the A&D ointment I put
on it.) 

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: prmader@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:23:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan20.150555.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes...
>>> >> >Currently schools are teaching that ALL drug use is bad and that alcohol
>>> >> >is a drug hence social drinking parents do the dance. How do we deal
>>> >> >with the fact that in many cases recreational use of some drugs isnt all
>>> >                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
>>> >> >that bad either? 
> 
>It could be beneficial in fact. See this study from the "National Bureau of
>Economic Research.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From the "New Internationalist" December 1992
> 
>	Drug Users defy Stereotype
> 
>The presumption is this: drugs lead to addiction.Addiction leads to
>desperation.Desperation leads to crime.People who use drugs are doomed to 
>failure.These are the messages behind the official anti-drugs campaigns.
>Yet there is growing evidence that such campaigns don't work because they are
>not true.
>Most startling is the relationship between drugs and wages. Young cocaine
>and marijuana users actually earn higher salaries than non-users, according to
>a long-term study conducted by the National Bureau of Economic Research in
>New York. The drug-use habits of 5000 young adults were compared across the 
>US. The survey was first done in 1984 and repeated in 1989 to the same group 
>of people, with an average age of 24 and then 27. It shows drug users do not 
>drop out of the workforce quicker than drug-free employees. In fact they are 
>often the most inquisitive and talented people at the workplace.
>				(from the Pacific News Service,August 1992
> 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
>                  New Zealand


This sounds like the most incredible bull to me.  First of all, most
drug use is illegal and you are going to have a hard time finding
people who will tell you the truth about theirs, especially at work.
How many unemployed people were included in this study?  

I am acquainted with many people in their 30's & 40's who use pot.
They have little or no drive and initiative.  When I saw the recent
TV commercial where two grown men are smoking (pot) at home, mom comes
home and asks if they've looked for a job, and they state as they're
frantically fanning smoke out the window, "I've been smoking for
years and nothings ever happened to me!" I could have sworn they'd
interviewed some of the people I know.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:57:05 GMT

In article <1jk4opINN6fd@male.EBay.Sun.COM> valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge) writes:
>How about Conan (combo of Conner and -an)
>
>JUST KIDDING!!!!
>
>Valerie

How about Dylan??

Denise
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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:42:48 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com> alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com writes:
>Hi, 
>
>any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!
>
>Thanks in advance
>

The Gaelic form of Mary is Moira (say moy-rah).  Or what about
Marjorie. 

Alison
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:24:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

>If EVERYONE used latex 
>condoms every time, then there would not be an AIDS epidemic, period. 

Nor would there be a misc.kids.	;-)
-- 

                                                --  Michal
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:42:36 GMT

In article <esther.727636149@sarge> esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon) writes:
>keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan19.061356.14467@fuug.fi> an6814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>>I'd like to work part-time in order to spend more time with my infant,
>>>It seems as if a part-time career is non-existent in software engineering
>>>and in professional/technical jobs in general.  It's looked down upon,
>>>I am torn.  On one hand, I've got lots of time invested in an education

>>you chose to have the younguns, so you are going to have to sacrifice
>>SOMEWHERE, whether it's taking your younguns to a daycare center, 
>>or working part-time [if possible] or staying at home and raising
>>the younguns and adjusting your lifestyle to a lower income.  
>>Obviously, these things should have been thought about BEFORE you
>>had the younguns, but you now have to live with your mistake.  
>>Whatever you do, please do your co-workers a favor and choose one
>>or the other.  Don't shortchange them by staying at home when the
>>youngun coughs one time, or rush out in the afternoon when the
>>school calls to have you pick up the youngun cause he sneezed.  
>>Your coworkers deserve to have someone there that they can depend on
>>to do their share.
>

[I apologize for including a followup, not the original posting or 
reply.]
 
Keith, I really don't understand. Are you assuming that a woman will 
shortchange her job for her children? While you never said anything 
that could not apply to a man, if you're addressing this to both men 
and women, are both parents supposed to quit their software engineering
jobs? And if you're addressing women only, why can't their partners (if
they have one) take responsibility for half the family ailments?

Okay, so maybe what you really mean is that neither men nor women can 
actually hold down software engineering jobs *and* have children. 
There I disagree. If it were like that a lot of us would not be on the 
net:-).

Somehow both my husband and I put in 10 hours a day on work and still 
manage to only have Austin in daycare only 7 hours M-F.  It's called 
flextime, and more places should have it. We work hard, and I think the
people at our workplace would agree. We're not that different than a whole
lot of people in computing, either.

Just my $.02. 

--Ashley
From: schwartz@ces.cwru.edu (David G. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Request: Premie FAQ please
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:32:59 GMT
Organization: COMPOSERS Logic Programming Group/CWRU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.ces.cwru.edu


Could someone please send me a copy of the FAQ file
on premature babies?  I have a friend who just gave
birth to teeny tiny triplets (boys) and she could
really use some helpful information.

thanks,

David schwartz@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
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