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From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Juggler on MTV
Originator: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:35:40 GMT


No, I don't spend *all* my time watching MTV.  Anyway, I was flicking
channels and saw a brief snippet of MTV advertising one of its
dance/teen things (I don't know which one which makes this whole situation
confusing) and there was a juggler juggling what looked like 5 rings off
to one side.  Does anyone know what juggler that could be?

C "and could he introduce me to Paula Abdul?" Frog
From: mikelee@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: RE: ventilation
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:18:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: OREGON.01GNRSUBPVJK9I4WH4
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
X-Envelope-To: juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu

>Just venting my little pet peeve (and no, I'm not a chemist). Sorry to trouble
>you all.
...
> "Everything you know is wrong" -- Marble Madness

I thought that was Firesign Theatre's line...

mike lee
old oregon magazine
mikelee@oregon.uoregon.edu
From: vicky@kbss.bt.co.uk (Vicky Salter)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:49:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobie Cat's
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:27:57 GMT
	<1992Aug17.201446.13763@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

In article <1992Aug10.130738.1620@digi.lonestar.org>, myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young) writes:

> rather single hand the 18 than the 16.  On the 18, if the wind picks up I can
> roller furl the jib and depower the main.  On the 16 you are stuck with the 
> full sail plan.  My current boat is the 18 because I enjoy racing it a lot

This isn't quite true.  I have dropped the jib on my 16 many times and
soloed it (sort of like a big Hobie 14, but with a trapeze :-).  Also,
because the boat is `boardless', you don't get as strong a weatherhelm
with a main-only 16 as compared to a main-only 18 for solo sailing.

Tacking the 16 in this fashion is tougher.  But I have never been
_not_ able to do it.  Even in waves and moderately heavy air (25
knots).

Just another opinion...

--
"Time is simply the illusion of the passing of history, and history is
simply the illusion of the passing of time..."
                                -The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa GTV6  Ducati MHR(DOD #900)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson)
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:03:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

> You are 2 miles offshore, no radio and you are out of gas.	
> WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO, if not fire off a flare (or two).. 

Hoist the mains'l can break out the genoa :-) 

But seriously folks, in my 30 years of driving a 
car, I have NEVER run out of gas. If I were to drive
a powerboat, I would never run out of gas there, either.
Why would you?
-- 

  Walter G. Wilson  (walter@watson.ibm.com)
  The opinions expressed here are my own.

  "My plans for the year all laid out...
   Ah... A dream in Springtime "
     -- Shodo (Go Seigen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Hard info on accuracy of GPS vs. LORAN (DGPS)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.191358.15846@brtph560.bnr.ca>, Heath Roberts <htrober@eos.ncsu.edu> writes...
>I'm looking for hard information (published design specifications, etc.) 
>that compares real and design accuracies of GPS versus LORAN. 

Anyone know anything about future support of Differential GPS? I believe that 
it works using land stations to transmit an error correction signal, and that
the accuracy is really good even if the military have degraded the regular GPS
service for some reason. I see that there are experimental DGPS transmissions
from Point Atkinson here at the moment.

Andrew, ALASTOR, Vancouver
From: pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu (Marek Pytlik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:18:19 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <l8cur8INN7tu@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>In article <5445@transfer.stratus.com> kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
>|Does anyone know how many feet of water the QE II draws?
>
>Seen on the news last night:
>
>Minimum depth in the area, according to USCG charts, 39 feet at mean
>low tide.  Charts on board the QE2 agreed.  Draft fully loaded is 34
>feet.  Officer being interviewed said indirectly that that should be
>enough margin, and besides at the time (relative to low tide) there
>should have been an additional 2 feet.  Concensus seemed to be that
>there was something in the water not on any charts.

There was an article in Globe (08/18) pointing out that squat caused by
high (24 knots) speed and relatively shallow area for QE2 might have caused
her to touch the ground.

Mark

>
>	/JBL
>=
>Nets: levin@bbn.com  | 
>pots: (617)873-3463  |                                      "I gotta go."
>              N1MNF  |                                            -- I. Shoales
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Gas tanks and safety. Was, Re: snow goose
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:54:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <WOODRUFF.92Aug18120606@s34.es.llnl.gov> woodruff@s34.es.llnl.gov (John Woodruff 422-4661) writes:
>
>The tanks he carries are ordinary (-looking) 50 gallon drums.  There is
>no structure that I could see securing the drums.
 
Except for the last part, it probably isn't a bad idea, actually. Except
for "why would anyone put the heavy stuff on top?" But a good 50-gallon
drum is probably one of the most durable and strong containers going,
much stronger than most gas tanks, provided it is coated and secured
properly.

>I'm sweating ice-picks when I think of all that fuel stored like that,
>under the same wooden boathouse where my poor Tangerine Tree has to
>sleep.
 
At least it's in the air. Most boats have their (maybe leaky) tanks down
in the bilge where fumes will accumulate, and where you can't see them.

>Is this fellow endangering me or am I just scaredy?
 
It depends upon the quality of his installation, I guess.

>                                                  Is he breaking any
>law?  Do I have any recourse?

You can move your boat. 

>What would my insurance company think of this?
 
It depends. Does your harbor require proof of insurance to rent a 
slip? If so, the boat must have been surveyed in order to be insured.

>          Anybody got any suggestion?

You could contact the Harbor's insurance company; or you could contact
the city/county fire marshall for the area where the marina is located.
I'm sure that they'd rather not fight a marina fire. Of course your 
harbormaster will have an idea who did it, so you may have to move
your boat anyway.
 
Greg
From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:36:39 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa

Just a quick question about this subject ... Should I be concerned about
driving around in my Bronco with 15 year old road flares sitting under my
seat?

   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
   Rex L. Root, Jr. (rex@eng.umd.edu)
   Manager, Facilities & Operations
   College of Engineering Computer Facility
   University of Maryland
   College Park, Maryland  20742
   Voice: (301) 405-3688
   FAX: (301) 314-9281
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (What PC runs this printer...?)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Request to start newsgroup rec.hobie
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:46:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.193112.14241@icd.teradyne.com>, burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes...

I say leave it in rec.boats please.

>Mike Burzycki                             burzycki@sky.dnet.teradyne.com
Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: Laughlin.Hughes@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Request to start newsgrou
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:11:00 -0800

MB>From: burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki)
  >Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
MB>Being an avid Hobie Cat sailor, I've often wondered why there isn't a
  >newsgroup called rec.hobie or rec.boats.hobie?  Is there enough interest out
  >there in discussing issues around Hobie Cat sailing to justify starting a
  >new newsgroup? I hope there is. What do you say?

        Mike - I'm betting most of your responses will be nays.
I'm a Tornado skip, by the way.  I *might* go for a "Sport Cats"
conference (news group) for all day-sailing cats, but the usual
response I see is that 1/ There's not enough message traffic yet
to make it really viable.
                    and 2/ "Hey, I'm interested in seeing that
stuff here, as we share a lot in common anyway"...

        By the way Mike, I also helm an online system in Toronto
for sailors, "Ship to Shore" with about 500 aboard here.  Plus
there are other Ship to Shore's now afloat in Chicago, Vancouver,
etc.  About 1,000 aboard our little net so far, with additional
nodes launching in the months ahead.  Obviously we're picking up
this news group, (and a number of marine conferences from the
other nets), but we also echo our own conferences among ourselves
(the Ship to Shore systems), so we have separate conferences
already for things like Racing, Design and Maintenance, Power
Squadron and so on.  *But*, these conferences aren't "there yet"
as viable conferences by themselves.  There will be enough message
flow there eventually, but not just yet!

        I've seen folks talk about figures like 100 msgs a day, as
a point where separate conferences could be split off.

        In the mean time, EVERYBODY here ought to be using offline
mail readers anyway, which makes it much easier to find/ignore
content as desired, right?

        Fair winds
        Laughlin Hughes
        Tornado KC234
        Skipper, Ship to Shore OIS Toronto

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Which one is the non-smoking lifeboat?
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Another request for REC.BOATS.HOBIE
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes:
>About a week or so ago, I asked for people's opinions on starting a new
>newsgroup for Hobie cat sailors. I saw only a few posts replying to this
>request. Some of these replies suggested leaving it in rec.boats and they were
>against rec.boats.hobie.
>
>I guess I don't understand why people want to keep it in rec.boats. If you are
>interested in Hobie Cat sailing, just subscribe to rec.boats.hobie also.
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     I seriously doubt that there's sufficient interest in such a narrow
newsgroup to establish, let alone sustain your brainchild.  Most hobie
sailors are interested in many facets of sailing.  (And most sailors
have at least a passing interest in motorboats-- hence rec.boats.)

     But... if you're really serious, and believe others would be interested
too, why don't *you* organize a electronic mailing?  Newsgroups aren't the
*only* means to accomplish your aim.

-- Bob

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: daves@bluemoon.rn.com (David E. Scott)
Subject: Re: Hydrofoil Stabilizers Re: Doelfin
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:28:42 EDT

hall@satie.psu.edu (PeggyHall) writes:

> I have recently purchased a hydrofoil for my 17 Ranger bass boat with a
>   45 horse motor. This product dramatically improved hole shot and gave
>   a better and more stable ride in rough seas. I was so impressed with

Sounds impressive - Where'd you get it? and What's the brand name?  If 
you're getting improved performance in coastal rough seas, something like 
that surely would help in the chop in the St. Lawrence River.
Thanks,
Dave

sig: Quantum Mechanics have smaller tools
        and don't really know where they are...
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hard info on accuracy of GPS vs. LORAN (DGPS)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:58:11 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> [Ocean Navigator Magazine has] really good articles about almost
> anything. It is the one sailing mag I read cover to cover.

	You mean you don't read your Notice To Mariners cover to cover?
I'm ashamed of you, John! :-)  Actually. ON is indeed a very interesting
magazine, and I read it cover to cover too (usually Ellen gets to it first
and I have to wait for her to finish).  But what drives me crazy about them
is their articles on electricity.  They are constantly using strange and
bizaare units like amps/hour.

	As far as I can tell, they think amps/hour is a unit of current and
amps is a unit of charge.  I have no idea what they think amp-hours is a
unit of (perhaps a measurement of how long your battery has been sitting at
full charge?)  Usually you can just convert the units in your head as you
go along, but they had one article which talked about how long you had to
run your generator to charge your batteries enough to run your reefer 3
hours a day that I absolutely could not follow because of the unit
confusion.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Inflatable boat accessories
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:55:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.1992Aug13.155510.1
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

Hi folks I'm looking for accessories for a small Achillies inflatable boat
Things like lauching wheels, electric inflator, side ladder, running lights,
seats, sun shade ....


                              Thanxs,
                                    Kris
From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares/out of gas (was snow goose)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:03:40 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO

>>>Also, on the maydays, people really should learn not to call a mayday
>>>just because they're out of fuel. That's really common here on
>>>the bay.
>>

>Signalling nearby boats, calling the CG on the radio to ask them to send
>commercial aid, waiting a while to drift somewhere closer to other boats,
>hoisting a small sail on an oar...rowing....

Where are the definitive answers here?  Where are all the gurus when
you need them?

DISCLAIMER- I can't remember any of this stuff which is why I keep
a handbook in my boat (and I'm a freshwater boater!).

There are two other calls besides Mayday and I can't remember what
they are.  I'm pretty sure one of them is Pan Pan.  One of the calls
(I think it's Pan Pan) is to issue a warning about such things as
weather.  The other (the one I *think* we're looking for here) is
for non-Mayday type situations (ie. no *immediate* threat to life
or property).  

Anyway, if we don't get a definitive answer, I'll try to remember to
look it up tonight.

g (this weekend I actually did run out of gas-- about 100 yds short
   of the boat ramp-- I had to switch over to another tank) t
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:48:34 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>I fish in a 16 foot tin boat with a 35hp motor. I can easily run OR drift
>2 or more miles into the center of the bay while fluke fishing OR trolling. 
>I don't consider 2 miles very far, but as you said it's a heck of a swim.

	If it's far enough that you would consider setting off flares to
attract help, it's far enough that you should have a radio.  There are
cheap (but perfectly adequate) VHFs available for $100 or so.  May I also
suggest investing in a pair of oars?  Rowing a light boat like that for 2
miles should be no big deal, at least in nice weather.

> Can I safely carry an approved 6Gal gas can on deck.. assumming I don't
> trip on it? What about safety issues wrt re-fueling on the water. I had
> always assummed that carrying a gas can and refueling on the water was a
> no-no..

	I've got two portable fuel tanks, the kind where you have a hose
with a primer bulb running from the tank to the motor.  The hose attaches
to both the motor and the tank with a quick-release fitting.  When I'm
going somewhere far enough away that I consider it important to make sure I
don't run out of fuel, I just make sure the 2nd tank is full and when I run
out of gas in the first tank, all I have to do is switch the hose to the
2nd tank, give a few pumps on the bulb and restart the motor.  Perfectly
safe.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:10:43 GMT


>>If SW was windward of the boats that had to alter course, then SW
>>foulded them. If SW was to leeward, then they were obliged to give her
>>room. 

>I'm not sure about this.  If you are leeward then you are overtaking boat
>and have to keep clear.  If you are windward then you don't have to
>do anything until an overlap is established.

>But, if you are moving backwards, the leeward boat is still the
>overtaking boat.  So if you are to windward and moving backwards
>the leeward boat has to keep clear until they have an overlap.

This is an area where definitions are key.  Overtaking and windward and
leeward are mutually exclusive.  In other words one can be overtaking
only if there is no overlap or said another way if there is no
overlap then you can't be windward or leeward.
The rule overtaking boat must keep clear tends to be misused or
maybe I should say over used.  Unless somebody hits you
right in the transom then overtaking doesn't apply. 
If you have a  boat with a rudder out the back such as a Laser then they
literally have to hit you on the end of your rudder.

If contact occurs elsewhere then windward/leeward rules apply.  However,
there is a gradual transition between rules that gives a windward boat
ample room and opportunity to keep clear. 


>>In Jobson and Whiddens book on tactics, Jobson specifically mentions
>>this... sail backwards towards someone (maintaining a constant course
>>I suppose). If his bow hits your stern, he violated 37.2. If his
>>leeward touches your windward, he's also violated 37.1. Jobsons
>>analysis, not mine!
> Sounds right to me.

The analysis is right.  The simple defense against someone backing down
is to put your bow to leeward and make sure that there is some time
before contact occurs.  Probably 5 seconds (depends on the boat) 
is sufficient to give the boat "ample room and opportunity".  
As Dave Perry points out, the transitional rule giving the windward
boat the opportunity to keep clear is a shield not a sword against
the leeward boat.
If the guy hits you anyway because he doesn't have good steerage 
way, that's his problem.  The rules don't give you much leeway 
for not being control of your boat.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Subject: Re: net gathering?
Keywords: party, raft, chesapeake
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:51:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.185306.7782@ee.rochester.edu> paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.113702.19256@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>>In article <120@cherise.UUCP> bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>>:                        ...     It might be interesting and
>>:fun if we here in rec.boats that frequent the Chesapeake Bay
>>:got together sometime, somewhere on the bay. It's interesting
>>:to put a face on someone@a.big.site who you've been seeing
>>:articles from over the months. 
>>
>>Oh, sure---leave all us Northeast and CA sailors out of it :-). 
>>
>>Seriously, though---this sounds like lots of fun. If there were more of 
>>us in the general area of CT, Block I., RI, MA, I'd try to set up a
>>rendezvous at Block Island sometime. Actually, if folks are interested,
>>why not let me know and maybe we can do something. I'm jfh@cs.brown.edu. 
>>
>>-John
>
>	YEA, don't forget all of us that are Great Lakers. I'd be glad 
>	to try to get start to get something together. Any takers?
>
>	paul

Sure... How 'bout Milwaukee or Duluth?
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: net gathering?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:38:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

Er! Boyd Lake, Colorado, anyone?
Brian
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: protest question, rule 32.1
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:34:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.015006.27622@spss.com> bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
writes:
>A while ago Will Sadler seemed to say that in Lasers, some contact is
>unavoidable. If you were to protest every single bump, you'de
>spend your whole life in a protest room. 
>
>I race both dingies (a Penguin) and a slightly larger boat (J 30).
>I'de agree with Will, at least in our club dingy races. There tends to
>be a difference between minor contact and a major violation of the
>rules. Is this true in other clubs racing small dingies?
>
>With the bigger boat fleets I've raced with, any contact between
>boats, no matter how minor, is avoidable. 

Contact does happen in all size boats, like in very light air mark roundings,
when everybody just about has steerage-way, along comes a motorboat wake, and -
bump. It's just not worth the whole protest or 720 process in cases like that.
Any other time I think contact has to be occasion for protest.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:24:22 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

>>If SW was windward of the boats that had to alter course, then SW
>>foulded them. If SW was to leeward, then they were obliged to give her
>>room. 
>
>I'm not sure about this.  If you are leeward then you are overtaking boat
>and have to keep clear.  

Rule 37.2 doesn't use the phrase "overtaking", but rather "clear
astern".  Any boat approaching SW from behind would be clear astern,
so 37.2 gives SW ROW. 

It's not exactly clear from the original post whether SW eventually
ended up to windward or leeward of the other boats. 


Newsgroups: rec.boats