From: raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
Date: 1 Oct 1992 18:59:23 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <BvGC41.5HM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:

>Ok, let us for a moment, assume that there was indeed a Rama temple and that
>Babar destroyed it and replaced it with a mosque.  If BJP/RSS wants to 
>"correct the historical injustice" by destroying the mosque and replacing 
>it with a Rama temple, why can't the Dravidians destroy all that is Aryan
>and replace it with Dravidian to "correct the historical injustice" of 
>the Aryans.  (Remember, Most scholars still hold the view that there was 
>indeed an Aryan invasion of Dravidian India although modern "scholars" 
>such as Prof. Kak, S. Rao wants the world to believe that the Aryans are
>the original inhabitants of India.  The evidences that they give are not
>at all convincing to me).


Even if the dravidians were driven out, what structures do you want
replaced?  Just curious to see if you have any facts on this topic.

Also, do you want all tamils to leave sri lanka and tamil nadu and
go back north?  after all, the same theories say the dravidians 
were driven south .. meaning they weren't in those lands originally!

>
>We (Hindus) should have prevented the Islamic invasions with all our
>hearts and minds back in 640 A.D (see article below).  Now it is no use
>destroying mosques and building temples.  Instead we can use the capital
>to renovate thousands of beautiful temples that are being destroyed by
>nature everyday.  (There are so many such temples in TN for example).
>
>Meenan Vishnu
>

I agree with you here.  So much so there is a chance we can be
best friends!!

SO, why do you admire folks like Periyar and
Karunanidhi, and their respective parties DK and DMK.   DMK has 
single handedly screwed the temples out of their means of maintenance,
by stealing temple lands and siphoning off contributions.

Periyar of course has publically endorsed destroying idols in temples.

You seem to change colors when it suits you, Mr. Vishnu... are you a man
or a chameleon in disguise?


>
>
>(originally posted in SCI)
>==========================================================================
>
>I have typed the follwing interesting paragraphs from the book
>
>"Gita As it Was: Rediscovering the Original Bhagavadgita"
> by Phulgenda Sinha.
>
>begin quote
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The story of how the Brahmans helped the invading Arabs in their
>conquest of Sind is a treacherous history.  

... much of this cute story has been deleted ...

----------

We have this cute story of yours (oops Mr. Sinha), and then
there is the story of Chanakya, a brahmin who single handedly
helped in stopping the advance of Alexander the great.  Seems to
me that not all brahmins were rooting for the invaders.

But then, you did not write that Brahmins did not want to defend
their homeland and culture, you only wrote that Brahmins were so
anti-buddhist that were willing to sell out to the moslem invaders.

Can you give concrete evidence of anti-buddist sentiments on
the part of ANY hindus, much less brahmins?  That is, from the
philosophy of Hinduism itself?  I invite you to quote from the
Vedas or Bhagavad Gita this time!

On the contrary, Buddha is considered an avatar of Vishnu, and many Hindus, and
certainly most Brahmins, accepted Buddha's teaching of the evils
of meat eating and became vegetarians.  His teachings regarding meditation
and self-control are also widely accepted and practiced, even today.

Did these 640 AD brahmins of yours suddenly have a craving for
Big MAC and is that why they decided go whole hog against the
Buddists?  Philosophically, I see no logical reason for it.

Also, what is Mr. Sinha's proof?  After all, I could also quote you
later on and state that Mr. Vishnu has found religious evidence
stating that Brahmins are superior to Chinese and Russians.  Of course, I 
wouldn't, because I know you are wrong, but then again ....
<for those who are new to this thread, I am referring to an earlier Meenan
 Vishnu posting which I shredded to pieces>

Now, if it was a case of ONE man or a group being jealous of the
other's prestige, it may be understandable.  
The latter is a pitfall of man which can be seen even today...
both in the Sinhalese being anti-tamil, and in you and your DMK buddies 
being anti-brahmin!!!

Now, please do stop generalizing about brahmins, or I will have to
continue to expose your foolishness publically!

thanks a ton in advance for cooperating,

- raman rajagopalan











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