From: bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Subject: Postmaster at Carrasso's site
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:42:50 GMT

I sent mail to Carrasso's site postmaster to complain about 
Carrasso use of offensive and racist language.  There seems
to be the case that these two gentlemen grew in the stable.
I plan to take the matter further and contact their newsfeed
as a first step and and see what other actions are 
appropriate.

This postmaster's messages follow:

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Subject: Re: Hamas - soc.culture.arabic #9073
To: bouguett@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:00:33 -0500 (EST)
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In reply to Athman Bouguettaya's mail:
>
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>Below is a message sent by one of your users, Roger Carrasso.  This 
>person has repeatedly used offensive language and in certain 
>instances racist slurs.  I would appreciate your looking into the matter.   
>
>Regards,
>
>Dr. Athman Bouguettaya

Dr. Thank you for your note. I've read what you sent me and agree that
perhaps he has indeed used language offensive to you, and that he has
also used racial slurs.


What is your point?

Please read the manual for your news reader and learn how to avoid
reading 'offensive' postings. Keywords: Kill File, 'n' key, etc..

Freedom.

In short, fucking ignore it if it bothers you, or do whatever the hell
cranks your boat. Just don't expect me to censor free speech to protect
your sensibilities.

>
>In article <1992Dec26.001957.21618@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>|> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza NAZI Salah) writes:
>|> >
>|> >>Somehow I can't swallow it.  Do you have evidence that Nissim Toledano
>|> >>did kill "not only Palestinian men, but also women and kids"?
>|> >
>|> >Don't play smart by asking individual evidences!  Be general in your
>|> >perspective.  As said in Arabic,"The one who lives with a group of people 40
>|> >days, become part of them."  What applies to the border guard who kills
>|> >kids, apply to any other border guard.
>|> 
>|> By the same reasoning Israel is completely justified and *should*
>|> expel those 400 Palestinians, for living with, and generally
>|> supporting, Hamas, which kills Israelis.  After all "Be general in
>|> your perspective".  If Hamas kills a policeman, murder charges should
>|> be brought up on all Hamas supporters.  Expulsion for upto 2 years
>|> seems gentle by comparison.
>|> 
>|> now whose being illogical, you racist fuck.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> carasso.
>


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Subject: Re: deportations - soc.culture.arabic #9074
To: bouguett@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:01:37 -0500 (EST)
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In reply to Athman Bouguettaya's mail:
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>Here is another Roger Carrasso's message that uses offensive language.  
>I would really apreciate your looking into the matter.
>
>Dr. Athman Bouguettaya

Dr. From what I can tell you really are a 'fuck'

Happy Holidays..

>
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>
>
>In article <1992Dec26.004047.21818@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>|> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
>|> >
>|> >This draws our attention once again  to  the  unsolved  problem  of  the
>|> >ongoing Israeli occupation of the territories seized in the war of 1967,
>|> >which Israel continues to hold in defiance of both international law and
>|> >specific United Nations Resolutions.
>|> 
>|> COMPLETELY FALSE.  RESOLUTION 242 DID NOT CALL UPON ISRAEL TO WITHDRAW
>|> FROM ALL TERRITORIES CAPTURED IN JUNE 1967.
>|> 
>|> There is disagreement over what Resolution 242's statement of
>|> principles means.  Arabs argue that Israel must withdraw from ALL
>|> territories.  Israel and the United States disagree, pointing to the
>|> fact that the Security Council voted on the ENGLISH text of the
>|> resolution which deliberately avoided the use of the words ALL of THE.
>|> Similarly, the Council did not use the French text so that it could
>|> avoid using the words LES or DES.
>|> 
>|> The American ambassador who led the delegation to the UN in '67,
>|> Arthur Goldberg wrote: 
>|> 
>|>   "The resolution speaks of withdrawal from occupied territories
>|> without defining the extent of the withdrawal.  And the notable
>|> presence of the words "secure and recognized boundaries" by
>|> implication, contemplates that the parties could make territorial
>|> adjustments in their peace settlement encompassing less than a
>|> complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the occupied territories,
>|> inasmuch as Israel's prior frontiers had proved to be notably
>|> insecure."
>|> 
>|> But there was to be no negotiation with the Arab states as the Arab
>|> Leaders declared in Khartoum in August 1967: 
>|> 
>|>   "Kings and presidents have agreed to unified efforts at
>|> international and diplomatic levels to eliminate the consequences of
>|> aggression and to assure the withdrawal of the aggressor forces of
>|> Israel from Arab lands, but within the limits to which Arab states are
>|> committed: NOT PEACE WITH ISRAEL, NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH ISRAEL, NO
>|> RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL."
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> There you have it.  25 years ago they could have had it all back, with
>|> simple negotiations.  But now, fuck, it's debateable.
>|> 
>


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