HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:46:20 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Apr12.183458.2070@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>There is also much discussion about whether the station will be in the
>airport or outside of it.  What is really crazy is that Caltrain already
>goes close to the airport, and close to downtown.  For relatively little
>money this system could link SFO with downtown and the travel time would
>probably be superior to any times achievable by BART.

First of all, a BART station outside the airport would be at the Caltrain
station, so Caltrain certainly wouldn't come any closer to the airport
than the worst case BART scenario.  A BART station inside the airport
would be under the central short term parking lot, where space is already
available, and would be much closer to the airport than Caltrain could
manage.

Second, you say that the Caltrain link could be done for very little
money.  Ah, how I wish it would be so!  They've been talking about
extending the San Francisco end of Caltrain the few blocks into the
financial district for years now, but it's just too expensive because
it would involve massive tunneling.  The BART line, though longer, doesn't
necessarily involve much tunneling unless the line is built into the
airport, and even then it wouldn't be as difficult as tunneling in
downtown S.F.  In any case, Caltrain would have to be electrified before
the project could be complete; otherwise ventilating the downtown tunnel
would be too much of a pain.

However, I agree that Caltrain would probably be a much quicker trip
from downtown S.F.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Consolidators
Originator: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:33:21 GMT

Could someone recommend some consolidators who handle domestic
flights?

Thanks-
  Tom
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From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Where are the BUMPS ??
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:32:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.195553.22802@acsu.buffalo.edu> AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod) writes:
>
>WHAT ARE THE BEST CITIES FOR BUMPS ON USAir FLIGHTS.
> 

OK, OK, stop yelling already.

You're asking the wrong question.  It's really "what flights are the
best for getting bumped".  And somebody already answered it.  You want
the same flight that the businessmen and women are packing onto.

In my case, I found that the 8:30 am Pittsburgh-Newark flight is always
packed, and usually oversold, and one day I just happened to be standing
at the podium to check in when the gate agent announced that they *might*
be oversold, so they were going to take 'x' people off the flight and send
them along via BWI, and they would earn denied boarding compensation (ticket).
So, being first in line, I took it.

Look for 8-9am flights *out* of their hubs to major business centers, or
5-6pm flights *into* their hubs from major business centers.  That's my
suggestion, at least.  But really, bumping is a lot less common nowadays
than you think.  I've flown hundreds of segments in the past few years and
this was the first time I had a chance to get bumped.  I've volunteered 
many times to no avail.

Jacko.
From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: PO' PATHETIC COLLEGE STUDENT WANTS TO KNOW...
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:58:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

bo643@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frederick E. Vaughn) writes:


>I'd just like to know (from experience) which airlines have usually
>been the best deals from Boston to...

>	1. San Francisco
>		(attending a conference this summer)
>	2. Minneapolis-St. Paul
>		(just for the hell of it; also considering a possible move)

>(Any responses, on the net or by private e-mail, will be much appreciated.)

Well,. Northwest Airlines is the ONLY airline to fly NON-STOP from Boston to
MSP and one of several (United, TWA, and Northwest) to fly NONSTOP to San Fran.

You should investigate Northwest because judging from where you are going,
NW is the best choice by far!

-Noah Cole
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From: luoni@bosco.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Subject: Re: United Way, were our money goes...
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:41:01 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <3585@bacon.MooreNet.COM> jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Mitch DeFelice <mdefelic@digi.lonestar.org> writes:
>
>	There was an article in Saturday's (4-4-92) Dallas Morning
>	News, reporting ex-United Way's ousted president William
>	Aramony lavish spending.
>
>	o  From 1987 through 1990, United Way spent at least $40,762 for
>	   airfare on the Concorde for Aramony or others flying with him.
>
>Hey, that's only about 10 one-way fares.  Not bad for 3 years :-)
>
Except that I can't think of any reason why he couldn't fly in regular
airplanes like the vast majority of ordinary people who pay for the
United Way.  Aramony admitted that he felt that he should be just like
any other fortune 500 company president.  This is ridiculous since I
don't know of any other fortune 500 company that begs for money from
ordinary working folk.  Basically this whole episode smacks of the
same slimy money hungry tactics that the tele-evangalists use.  
Seems in this day and age you just can't trust anyone.
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:51:15 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Apr8.232518.15038@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>british airways is no longer associated with the ffb programs of any
>us airline.  

Not true.  USAir is still associated with British Airways (BA), at
least.  BA has terminated their association with American and with
United.

>lufthansa is associated with mileage plus (at least).

And also USAir, Continental, and Delta.  However, according to the
latest Lufthansa timetable, only Continental and Delta frequent fliers
receive credit for Lufthansa flights worldwide.  USAir Frequent
Travelers receive mileage only for Europe and the Middle East.  United
frequent fliers receive credit beyond Germany only for First or
Business class.
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                         Space Telescope Science Institute
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Continental & unions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:28:45 GMT

As noted, Lorenzo is long gone. My daughter flies (first officer) for
them and has no complaints about maintainence.
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Braniff experiences?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:56:29 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

Has anyone flown the latest version of Braniff Airlines?
Any good or bad experiences to report?

(They are offering $29 each way from Boston to Newark, which
is cheaper than a train.  I'm thinking of trying it...)

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: A Few Complaints ...
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.141858.25622@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
|> 
|> Believe it or not, I have a couple of complaints about this group !! Actually,
|> I think it is a great group, especially all the stories about people's
|> "misfortunes" when getting bumped ... but there are also a few things which I
|> don't like. Here they are :-
|> 
|> 1. A lot of you, mainly Americans (probably because it's mainly Americans who
|> use the net :-) ) have been referring to a certain airline as "QUANTAS". This
|> is WRONG !! The correct spelling is "QANTAS" !! [It stands for "Queensland and
|> Northern Territory Air Services", which was whereabouts in Australia that it
|> first started.] The world's safest airline (# crashes = 0) doesn't deserve to
|> have its name mispelled. At least, that's how it's spelled in Australia, and
|> that's what counts ...
|> 
|> 2. People seem to think it's trendy (showing that they've travelled a lot) to
|> refer to all airports, even the most obscure ones, by three-letter codes. This
|> is really annoying if you don't know where they're talking about, and probably
|> in many cases they made the codes up themselves anyway !! Eg: "last summer I
|> flew the Delta LAX-DFG-WSN-XYZ-XXX-AND-ABC-NBC-CBS-MTV-NOR-XOR-YHL run and got
|> bumped twice !!" Would you mind using the full names in future, even though it
|> will cost you a few more keystrokes, unless it's *REALLY* obvious what the
|> airport code refers to ? Otherwise we won't have a clue what you're talking
|> about ...
|> 

I second that emotion!!  All the arport code use may make you feel like
a real world traveller, and impress your friends, but it makes some of
us glaze over.  

|> Thanks guys ...
|> 
|> T.J.Hatfield
|> Director of Flight Safety Film in "Highlander 2"
|> [the only good, funny bit in the whole film !!]
|> 

-- 


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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: American to cut fares 30%-40% ???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:06:58 GMT

naftaly@supergas.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes:


>Hi, 

>An small article in the Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO) says today that American
>Airline in going to announce a fare cut up to 40%. Does anybody out there on the
>net has more information?

 AA will institute a new price scale on Monday, April 13.  The new prices
 will be between 38% and 50% lower than the old prices for both first class
 and coach.  Other airlines have said that they will announce similar
 new rates soon.  As always, it is cheapest to buy tickets at least 21 days
 in advance.

 America West Airlines actually began this latest round of price decreases
 by announcing a 30% fare decrease on all of its routes.  Competing airlines
 serving the same cities immediately said they would match the America West
 fares.  AA then took it one step farther by expanding the cuts to all
 domestic flights.

 I haven't heard if the new prices include international routes.  I hope
 they do :).

								Peder



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From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Keywords: ID-Checking at the gate
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:16:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.190515.4911@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.194419.17616@beaver.cs.washington.edu> torerik@cs.washington.edu (Tor Erik Jeremiassen) writes:
>>I would not recommend trying to use other people's AMEX student tickets on
>>Continental. I flew down to Houston during spring break. When they
>>announced boarding for the flight they also announced that anyone holding
>>a student ticket would be required to show picture ID upon boarding. One
>>person in front of me in line claimed not to have his ID with him,
>>whereupon one of the gate agents escorted him over to the adjacent ticket-
>>counter. Funny, I don't remember seeing him on the flight.
>>
>
>I used the AMEX coupons on USAir (yes this is possible) and was never once
>asked for ID on the flights.  In fact I don't think the tickets even mention
>that the agents are supposed to check for ID.
>
>RNA

The Continental tickets do not mention that ID should be checked either.
At least the ones that I got.  I always pick mine up at a travel agent, if
that matters.

Just a comment, what is Continental trying to do with these vouchers??  Are
they just being nice guys to students???  It seems that their gestapo tactics
would make people not want to fly them in the future.  I have never been
carded by Continental, I have been carded by United when I was using a free
ticket AND it said that ID would be required.  I would be EXTREMELY pissed
if I had to show ID for a Continental flight and didn't have "adequate" id
especially since nowhere on the ticket does it say that I should have ID
with me.  I have read a few articles about people who tried to transfer 
tickets to their friends, etc. and having mucho problems.
Considering the 14 day reservation limit,these people are almost
flying standby.  Why would they want to have people who are just beginning
their working career (Possible new business travelers) pissed off at
their company!  Amazing...


Bradley Wong
bwong@beach.csulb.edu
From: yeung@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Augustus W Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental Tix
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:39:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr7.223910.8427
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <121968@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman) writes:
>
>With all this talk about getting ID'd at the gate, does anyone know if
>a student ID is necessary, or just a driver's license?  I got some leftover
>AMEX coupons but I already graduated.  I still have my student ID but
>I wasn't sure what the policy is.
>
>		Scott
>--------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Whitman			slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov
>LLNL, L-416, P.O. Box 808	(510) 294-4109
>Livermore, CA 94550		


I saw an ad from AMEX sometime ago and it states that you can use 
your coupon even one year after you graduated. All they need is
some kind of ID to identify yourself.

gus
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
	<92106.145510ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
	<1992Apr16.104346.20711@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:10:31 GMT

 Alan> == alan.j.lapenn  <yy@cbnews.cb.att.com> 

 Alan> In article <92106.145510ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Asher Samuels) writes:

> My idea is that, whenever there's a crying kid, one free alcoholic
> drink should be served to everyone in earshot.  I know that onTower,
> with all the kids, etc.  the only way I survive is to brin along a
> flask of Jack Daniels.

 Alan> Kids cry, being a parent it's our worst nightmare. There is
 Alan> nothing you can do about it. If it makes you feel any better we
 Alan> have all annoyed someone by crying sometime in our life ( I do it
 Alan> constantly at work :-) :-) :-) , it works great )

I was on a flight from Boston to Seattle with a stop in Detroit. It was
on Northwest Airlines on a 757. From the Boston to Detroit leg (very
busy, since DTW is a big NW hub) all the kids and their parents were in
the back cabin of the 757. I don't think there was a single child under
12 in the forward cabin. It was *heaven*. :-)

I wish this was done more often.

--Helen
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From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post -- comments/additions solicited
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:00:19 GMT

In <1992Apr10.203404.11940@ryn.mro4.dec.com> bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
>1.  WHAT IS THE CHEAPEST FARE FROM X TO Y ON (DATE)?

If anyone could answer this one, he'd be a millionaire.  I'm not sure it's
computable.

>9.  IS IT OKAY TO SELL A TICKET OR USE ANOTHER PERSON'S TICKET?

Might want to include something on AmEx vouchers.  The latest word I have from
them (as of yesterday 4/9/92) is that there are no more "companion
certificates", and that Continental has been instructed to check
identification "at the slightest suspicion."  They're aware that US Air is
accepting them, they were not aware that America West is also (thought two
ladies at the 800-number have said so).  AmEx did say that they feel that
using them on other airlines is detrimental to their agreement with
Continental, so they don't recommend it or formally approve, though they can
do nothing to stop it.

Also, the number of the "voucher people" (as I've begun calling them) is
currently 800-582-5823; they're the canonical source with AmEx for voucher
information.

>These are the kind of discussions that are expected in the newsgroup!

Something else that would be interesting and handy would be a list of
the airport codes (like CMH for Columbus, PDX for Portland OR, etc.).  I
don't know if those are published in some canonical FAA document or if a
general net.consensus would be sufficient.

Rob
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From: cmdavis@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is It Legal ??
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:52:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr16.203944.14440@PA.dec.com> klee@wsl.dec.com writes:
>
>In the U.S., it is probably fraud (a serious crime) to use a ticket sold for
>the sole use of another person.  On domestic flights, they don't (usually)
>check ID, so they aren't likely to catch you.  On international flights,
>however, they always check ID (passports).
>

Does the airline really check the passport along with the ticket?
I seem to recall customs checking the passport and having no
interest in the ticket, and the airline checking the ticket and
having no interest in the passport.  Has anyone here tried using
someone else's ticket internationally, and did you get called on it?

- Chris Davis, gradual student
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From: dvb@emisle.uucp (David Van Beveren)
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Organization: Emerald Isle Systems, Ltd. Agoura Hills, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:04:07 GMT


According to Delta's Schedule Book (3/92):

SFO-HKG: 6916 miles Depart 1230am Arr. 710am 
HKG-SFO: 6916 miles Depart 940pm  Arr. 525pm

Second Longest I could find was LAX to Tokyo:

5454 miles
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Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 15:33:28 -0400 
From: Shmuel Ur <su10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: looking for low cost flight to spain

I will be flying to Madrid from Pittsburgh in september for about two weeks.
Any recomendations?
     Shmuel
From: haynes@fleagle.ucsd.edu (Kevin Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Eaasy-sabre access??
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:46:03
Organization: Department of Cognitive Science, U.C. San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: fleagle.ucsd.edu


	I am familiar with Eaasy-sabre and was hoping someone could tell me
how to access this system.  I used Eaasy-sabre when I had a subscription to
Prodigy a few months ago, but I do not subscribe any longer...  Are there any
*other* ways to access the system, such as dial-in lines, or other services?

	Thanks, in advance,

-Kevin Haynes (khaynes@ucsd.edu)

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From: ebccdes@bosun.ericsson.se (Carlos de Sousa)
Subject: Re: Northwest mileage bonuses
Reply-To: ebccdes@bosun.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications AB
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:07:45 GMT

In article 92Apr14124352@rocza.eff.org, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>
> William> == William C. Regli <regli@cs.umd.edu> 
>
> ]In article <1992Apr13.115859.2634@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
>steinke@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Gerhard Steinke) writes:
> ]Occasionally Northwest gives double/triple or bonus miles for flying
> ]a particular route or via a particular city.
> ]Does anyone know of such bonuses for flying from or to the cities
> ]of Detroit and Seattle?
> ]
>
> William> I don't think they would EVER have such a promotion, seeing as
> William> that Seattle and Detroit are two of their hubs.
>
>Funny you should say that ... my fiance and I are flying to Seattle in
>May, and Northwest is offering double miles ... I think it's through the
>middle of June, but don't quote me on it.
>
>As for Detroit, I've never heard of that... Seattle's somewhat "safer"
>since it's an international hub ... NW seems to occupy 5/6 of DTW
>airport!
>
>--Helen
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Hi,
Can someone confirm the double mileage for flights thru Detroit please?

I'm flying from Stockholm to DFW via London, and Detroit on 5/5 and staying
for a month, and  no one told me about any extra
bonus because I'm going thru Detroit. On the way back, it is thru Minneapolis 
and Frankfurt, is there any extra for Minneapolis too ?
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From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flying and environment (was Re: Tell you something..)
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:37:36 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

varri@korppi.cs.tut.fi (V{rri Alpo) writes:

>Maybe he was talking about the energy consumption in general. I
>remember seeing on TV or in a newspaper that when a family of four flies
>for a holiday in the Canary Islands (from Finland around 4-5 hours), 
>they use as much energy as what is needed to heat their house for one
>year.

A commercial jet plane travels about 15-20 passenger-kilometers per liter
of fuel. (Compare this to the typical 10-15 kilometers per liter of
gasoline in an ordinary automobile.)

Taking your exaple with a family of four travelling to the Canary
Islands from Finland. How far is that? 4000 km pehaps? With a family
of four that becomes 16000 passenger-km. Assuming 16 passenger-km per liter,
the family of four accounts for 1000 liters of fuel. I don't know how
airplane fuel compares to the oil used to heat houses, but I would think
that 1000 liters would hardly be enough to heat their house for a year.

-- 
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