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From: mike@struad.uucp (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re:  Emplant ideas
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:54:58 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <jdrew.0jm1@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:
>
>In <1992Nov18.123240.26736@cs.tu-berlin.de>, franke@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Michael Franke) writes:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Especially to J.Drew:
>> 
>> - will C='s A2024 be supported in the future by emplant ???
>> - please (!!!) add version-strings to all of your pieces of 
>>   software. There were two updates on wuarchive tonite and
>>   I wonder which is newer as the lengths of the files in the
>>   archives differ. PLEASE!
>> 
>> greetings michael franke (franke@cs.tu-berlin.de)
>The way that the video system is designed, we can use any monitor with
>any video board....we just have to create the device driver to do it. 
>We'll look into the A2024 support.  :-)
>
>
>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
>           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
>           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
>           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS

--
  Ok here's one. Will emplant work *properly* with a standard commodore
monitor? By that I mean will it look at the displaysize set for workbench
and open Emplant *that* size. Opening a 640x400 emplant on a screen that
is 710x476 loses quite a bit. Hardcoding 640x400 went out when KS1.2 was
released.
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:35:42 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <56487@dime.cs.umass.edu>, barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

<stuff deleted...>
> 	Mistake #5:	Charging credit cards several weeks before
> 			shipping the product.

> 	Mistake #6:	Shipping a beta Emplant board to angry people.

The board isn't a beta... just the software.

> 	Mistake #7:	(Brought on by Mistake #6.)  Frantically writing
> 			bugfixed code and making it immediately available,
> 			meaning that the fixes can't possibly be well-tested.

No, but if people can actually get it to boot up they are likely to keep 
the board and not return it.

> 	Maybe some good can come of this experience -- perhaps other
> companies will see UU's mistakes and be more wary about promising things
> that cannot be delivered on time.  [Aside:  have people noticed how well
> Commodore has been keeping to its ship dates recently?  For example, the
> A4000 shipped only 2 weeks after it was announced!]

Too bad it's release date was pushed back so that the engineers could redesign
it's motherboard to fit in a cheaper case. 

> 	I wish UU the best of luck in satisfying its customers and
> producing an excellent product.  Who knows -- maybe in a year I'll
> considering buying Emplant.

All I gotta say is it has sure been difficult getting in touch with them.
They goofed on the order to our dealership and I speant over a day and a half
trying to get through by fax or phone.  I was finally able to get through 
with a fax.  There must be a lot of upset customers.

Oh well, I can kinda understand how UU feals... I helped develope a hardware
product for the Amiga and it didn't spend enough time in beta test.  That
wasn't so bad... but it was compounded by being shipped with documentation that 
was just plain wrong!!!  I corrected the mistakes in the docs... but production
threw away the new originals and had more of the old docs printed by accident!

We got (and still get) an endless stream of calls claiming we had destroyed
someones motherboard.  I'm happy to say that the only damaged one was done by a 
"dealer" that couldn't find what was wrong.  They replaced every chip on the
guys motherboard and ended up sending it to us.  They had bent a pin on the
Agnus in replacing it.  The board was never defective.  (I'll never design
anything that doesn't go in a cardslot again!  Ack!)

The moral to this bandwidth is this... things happen and patience may result in
a great product.

On the other hand, we all returned the boards without any patience,
they could go bankrupt and many people wouldn't even get a refund.  Whether the
thing ends up working or not.

If you've waited this long, what will a week or two hurt?

James

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From: joe@vifp.monash.edu.au (Joe Szakmary - Deputy EDP Manager)
Subject: Re: Accessing Mac partitions from amiga dos
Originator: news@brain
Reply-To: joe@vifp.monash.edu.au
Organization: Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:14:09 GMT

>Basically what you want is a Mac filesystem
>ala CrossDOS. Thus far no one has developed such a beast, probably
>because a) much smaller market potential than IBM Xfer software and
>b) most users have no way to access 800K (Mac only) or 1.4MB (IBM & Mac)
>formats. I'm still hoping. :-)

Well, there is a slighty tedious way, but it works: transfer your files from the Amiga
onto a 720kb MS-DOS disk - using CrossDOS or MessyDos - then on the Mac using the 
File transfer utility you can read it in. It won't work on old mac's.



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From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:09:02 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <92323.190930DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>What features were pulled?  SCSI?  Disabled because of software bugs.  Hmm...
>>>what else?
>>68000 support.
>Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
>should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
>for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant. 

I have not seen one at $250 list yet. I know there are $250 mail-order
price. But those are EC030, and no MMU. Emplant works 'better' with MMU.
That's what Jim Drew said. I said if Emplant worked at all, it more
or less required an MMU. Again, I could be wrong, along being 'dumb',
'childish', etc.

Also, we did not imagine that it runs on 68000, Jim made us believe it.

David Tse
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant, sybil, and ???
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:37:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0jm7
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)


In <18NOV199209102926@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sworkman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Michael Sean Workman) writes:
> You people really seem to be slamming Utilities Unlimited pretty hard.  I
> just saw a guy say that he's giving UU another chance.  After Sybil and now
> Emplant, he'll give them one more... well folks, let's not forget the Super
> Card Ami (or as I like to call it - the Stupid Card Ami).  The 'copy
> anything' hardware copier.  First off, I ordered one (a long time ago) and
> it took them about three months to get it to me.... when I got it I tried
> backing up my workbench disk (just to test out the blazing speed of the DOS
> copy)  Yeah, it was fast.  Real fast, but itsure as hell wasn't a copy of
> Workbench on the other disk.  How am I supposed to believe it will back up
> my expensive software when it won't even backup Workbench?!  I called Jim
> Drew... "It will work better on copy protected disks..."  What the hell
> does that mean?  A disk copier that won't copy totally unprotected disks is
> worthless.  I called and called and finally had to call the Better Business
> Bureau on them (I think THAT'S why they moved from Oregon to Arizona...) I
> finally had to drive 3 hours to their 'place of business'  I was surprised
> I didn't step in horse shit... it was a barn!  Yes, a barn!  Sure it had a
> concrete floor, but nothing changes the fact that it was a barn.  And
> conveniently, the person I needed to see wasn't there and nobody there
> could answer ANY of my questions...  I'm never buying ANY other UU products
> again (and I'm recommending other people against doing so) until I see one
> functioning 100% in front of me and have heard of at least one OTHER person
> getting the same results...  The guy seems like a con artist to me... don't
> be fooled into thinking that this is the first time they've done this...
> the delays, the excuses, it's all well practised! 
Interesting....
 
"Stupid-Card" Ami (Super-Card) works so terrible that we offer a full
blown A3000 system to the first person who finds something that it wont
copy...  My reputation stands...


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT...Lets work together.
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:26:18 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Tue 17 Nov 92  4:36, Blanke@bigboy (mark Blanke) wrote:

 BB> Hopefully everyone will help.

FINALLY!  Somebody that got a nice HELPFUL idea!

I agree, and I'm in it.  Now I'm just waiting for my Emplant to try out ;-)

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From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant and 4000
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0jrq
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)


> A Mac II is substantially (3 to 4 times) faster than a Mac Plus.  The 
> processor runs at twice the clock speed and the bus is twice as wide.  The 
> Mac II ROMs hardly add enough extra overhead to slow down a 16 MHz '020 to 
> the speed of an 8 MHz 68000, and Apple certainly did not need to "bump the 
> processor just to be able to keep up with the MAC+".  One of the reasons 
> Color QuickDraw (used in the Mac II ROMs) was never implemented on the 
> Apple 68000-based machines is that it uses instructions (e.g., bit-field) 
> present in the '020 and later processors' instruction sets, but absent in 
> the 68000.  Now, trying to emulate these instructions in an interpretive 
> fashion could definitely slow down graphics speed by the amount you're 
> reporting.
> 
> - Dale Adams
Dale,
 
I knew Apple would say something, sometime!  ;-)
 
Actually, when we run Speedometer and other such system comparison
programs, we find that the MAC II (68020) is barely faster than our MAC+.
Yes, the bus is 32 bit but the speed in real-world testing is not 3-4
times faster.  Now, the MAC IIx or cx (68030/68882) is 3-4 times faster.
 
There is indeed a substantial difference in over-head compared to a MAC+.
Having many extra goodies like ADB, NuBus slots, etc. and having to
process interrupts for each of them takes quite a bit of CPU time.  We
were able to reduce the CPU consumption by not using most of ROM's (or
resource off disk's) interrupt code.


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT - anyone got it running ?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:47:28 GMT

In article <jdrew.0k1i@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:

>The problem we had was with the A3000's memory configuration.  Yes, we
>should have tested it on the A3000, however, since moving (the main way
>we generated enough capital to produce this thing) I haven't had access
>to an A3000, and not enough capital left to purchase one.  We still have
>everyone's money from their EMPLANT orders sitting in the bank, just in
>case there was a problem and refunds were to be issued.  When things are
>calm, we will buy test equipment (and maybe some new clothes too!), but
>until then, we are prepared for the worst.


I tried to take a class at UNM called Venture Capitol but they wouldn't
let anyone but Anderson School of Business seniors in since they had a
student who had taken the class use his education to fly to Chicago and
borrow $100,000 with no collateral and no means of repaying the loan.
(hint) I was disappointed that I couldn't take the class but the instructor
mentioned that most of the information in finding venture capitol was 
available in books written on the subject.



                                       NCW

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From: soudan@boole (SOUDAN sebastien)
Subject: Re: Bridgeboard & mem emul. software
Organization: University of Grenoble (France)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:17:32 GMT

sl1zm@cc.usu.edu writes:

>I read about a software program that will let a Bridgeboard use
>expanded or extended (?) ram by emulating it with the Amiga mem.

>What is this program called and where can I get it?

>James

It's called AmigaEms and it is on a fish (i don't know which #)
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From: mrubino@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:11:44 GMT

In article <69894@cup.portal.com> jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
>>does it run on the 4000?
>
>It doesn't run yet on a 3000, so I suspect it won't do 4000 either.

I believe the reason that is doesn't work on the 3000 is because of its soft
ROM.  It is supposed to work with the 2.04 ROMs installed.  The 4000 has ROMs
and should not have this problem.

>I wish I had one to test that out.  :-)  The fix for 3000/4000 is supposed to
>be available by this weekend, they say.

Once the software is in a more mature state (works w/softROM and has HD
support)  I'll try and test it on a few different systems.  I'll probably
start with an A2000 w/ 50Mhz GVP '030, then A3000T, then A4000.

I'll also be testing the new display drivers when they become available.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Emplant Video Support
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:09:23 GMT

Now that Emplant has achieved some degree of functionality, could someone
comment on the support for alternative graphics configurations? I seem to
recall mention of displaying Mac screens via the Resolver and other cards.
Are these drivers currently available, and if so how does one multitask
the two?

Also, is it possible for Emplant to take over the entire system for
optimal speed?

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:40:17 GMT

In article <92323.190930DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>What features were pulled?  SCSI?  Disabled because of software bugs.  Hmm...
>>what else?

>68000 support.

Oh please. Anyone who had any delusions about emulating a Mac on a 68k
should have seen this coming. How much is a 25 MHz '030 accelerator going
for these days -- $250 list, or about the same as the Emplant.
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT - anyone got it running ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.27 beta (Nov 22 1992)
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:19:31 PDT
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR


> The bottom line is, working product will cure all wounds -- and I am happy
> that except for the A3000, people were able to get up and running with a
> simple software update.  I am still excited about the product, and beleive
> it will be supported.  I hope we can be treated to better testing procedures
> in the future.
 
You and me both!  Unfortunately, moving from Portland, OR (huge Amiga
base) to Lake Havasu City, AZ (Population: 17,000) has been a serious
problem for me.  All of the development of EMPLANT was done on an A500. 
If you can make a Zorro PIC work on an A500 (especially through a Supra
controller and a slingshot 100 pin adapter), it will work on anything! 
In Portland, I had the luxary of literally hundreds of test systems.
 
I guess good weather and lower taxes aren't always an advantage in life.


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
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From: jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason)
Subject: Re: Sybil and Emplant
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.012233.15270@ennews.eas.asu.edu> prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado) writes:
>About a year ago I had the misfortune of purchasing a SYBIL unit from UU.
>The documentation was horrible, in some areas it said the device plugged
>into the DRIVE port hand parellel port and in other places it stated to
>plug the device in the parellel port and VIDEO port.  In any case this
>device did not work, and the (bogus?) calbrization routine required timing
>ranges which were not possible.
>
>But a week ago I read someone having the EXACT same problems I had a year
>ago.
>
>So my question is not if anyone can get EMPLANT to work, but has
>anyone ever gotten SYBIL to work ?  If the answer is no, how do emplant owners
>port their MAC software to EMPLANT since there is no connection for a MAC
>drive ?
>
Co
I don't have sybil to work, but I don't have the lattest software.  WHO has the latest software and can upload it to somewhere like wuarchive.  I imagine that the latest software came with emplant. Am I right or wrong here?


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From: umdaher1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Karl R. Daher)
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.164838.1099984@sue.cc.uregina.ca> macnei@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Mike MacNeill) writes:
>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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>GET A REAL MAC YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!  

But what else can we expect from someone that lives in Saskatchewan ?
( I guess you have to be a Canadian to know how exciting it would be to
live there. Let it be said that Saskatchewan brings out the darker side of
the human soul. )

I think that the combined price of my Amiga, A-MAXII, and 286 BB is much
less than a decent colour MAC here in Canada. True, my MAC is not in
colour, but if I want colour, why use a MAC ???

Regards, 
   Karl Daher

P.S. I know now the answer to my .signature : There are many happy people.
Apparently, however, they are to be found in Saskatchewan !
( No flames, please. This letter is only directed to those who do not have
anything better to do than trash other people's systems. I actually have
nothing against the people of Saskatchewan. )

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:31:24 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Fri 20 Nov 92 10:33, Umdaher1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (karl R. 
wrote:

 UR> But what else can we expect from someone that lives in Saskatchewan ?
 UR> ( I guess you have to be a Canadian to know how exciting it would be
 UR> to
 UR> live there. Let it be said that Saskatchewan brings out the darker
 UR> side of
 UR> the human soul. )

Ya, like Manitoba is some kind of ray of sunshine to live in. Geez. No
wonder this stupid country is falling apart. Like I care.

 UR> I actually have nothing against the people of Saskatchewan. )

And you won't be able to get anything against any of us 'til you do
something about your breath!


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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: I HAVE EMPLANT!
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:52:14 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov17.070559.17976@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>In article <Ivan_Pintori.02l6@mas.sublink.org> Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori) writes:

>[ ]
>>
>>I propose a toast to UU and Jim in particular!

>I don't know about a toast, but he certainly deserves an apology from a lot
>of people. My only connection with the Amiga world is a CDTV, but I've always

Apologies (forget toasts) are not in order.  Not until a _single_ person
who has an EMPLANT gets _any_ useability will I have any respect for Jim
and U.U..  After that (if it happens) we'll see.



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From: mrubino@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: Emplant Software???
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150336.23806@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason) writes:
>
>Does Jim Drew have the current updated software on his BBS?

I would assume so, but haven't actually looked yet.

>Is it legal to copy the software to wuarchive?

Jim said, in a previous post, that he would not mind if someone put it on an
FTP site.  He said he didn't have the time and perhaps tha ability to do it
himself.  I'm not sure if this has actually been done by anyone.  He's not
worried about piracy since you need the board in order to use the software, or
at least to see it crash.


- Mike