From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:20:21 GMT
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>>If you recall, the present "problem" began is a result of increased
>>terrorism and murder of innocent Israelis, about six in a week, by
>>Hamas terrorists.

>Don't falsify the facts:

Falsification is your job, not mine.

>The "about six in a week" were not innocent Israelis. Five of them
>were "soldiers" who were enforcing occupation on Palestinian people.

Until an agreement is reached, Israel has an obligation to at least
try to maintain some degree of civilization in the territories, and to
protect its citizens.  That does not give anyone the right to murder
the soldiers trying to protect people.

>And the other sixth was killed as a result of the Israeli government
>failure to meet the demands of his kidnappers.  They mispredicted
>what the results will be.

#1:  Israel wasn't given an opportunity to "meet the demands" of the
terrorists--not that it would have been foolish enough to do so.

#2:  So you think it's perfectly okay for terrorists to kidnap and
murder people, and the blame must lie with those wicked and stupid
Israelis for not caving in to demands?

>>  Were it not for that wave of killings, those four
>>hundred or so Hamas terrorists would still be in their homes.

>Were it not for "the israeli occupation, neither jews nor palestinians
>would to be killed."  Ahmad Yaseen.

Had Jordan not attacked Israel, there would be no "occupation."

Had Jordan not refused to negotiate after its attack backfired, there
would be no occupation.

Had the Arabs complied with the Camp David Accords, the interim period
called for would have been over years ago, and there would no longer
be an "occupation."

>>Now, what do you prefer at this point:

>>(a) Forcing those terrorists to suffer in Southern Lebanon where they
>>are now, thus scoring propaganda points against Israel at their
>>expense,

>>or

>>(b)  Giving them a place to live until they're allowed to return in
>>six months to two years?

>The latter is what all palestinians are after.  However the place is
>to be the place which they were taken from.

In other words, you prefer to score propaganda points, and to hell
with the welfare of your people.

>Don't fool people by saying "six months to two years!"  The Israeli
>government is trying to kill the matter and buy time by saying some
>nonsense like this.

I'm delighted to learn that you have a mole with the ear of Prime
Minister Rabin.

>Some of the 66 previous deportees have been out of palestine since
>the beginning of the Intifada (6 years.)  Have they been allowed to
>return back?  None that I heard of.  They are all still accused of
>being terrorists.

They were permanently deported, under different arrangements, after
being proven to be terrorists.  Have they reformed?  I suspect that if
they renounced terrorism, and pledged a willingness to work for peace,
they would be permitted back.  (Of course, then they wouldn't live
very long--Hamas would see to that.)

>Jews are always annoyed about having arabs throwing them in the sea, 
>but they themselves should not be annoyed if they throw palestinians
>in no mans land and say let them die because they are not only human
>beings, but garbage and animals.

Israel (temporarily) deported them to Lebanon.  It is their own Arab
brothers who seem to prefer to see them suffer, as long as they can
use that suffering to score propaganda points against Israel, and have
even thrown Palestinian Arabs out of the hospital and then refused Red
Cross requests to bring assistance to them.

Those terrorists are sworn enemies of Israel, yet you condemn Israel
for not treating them better than their own Arab brothers treat them.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
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