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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:05:33 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: research on therapy techniques

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:14:11 EDT Someone   said:
>sitting across the desk from you.  You just don't know where on the distrib-
>ution this particular person falls.  Even the most reliable and valid scale
>you could devise to predict what form of therapy would work best would have
>some variance in it.  Given the limitations of the probabalistic nature of
>our knowledge, we will not be able to replace intuition and judgement with
>numbers, ever. It's the nature of the beast.

Does that mean it is impossible to study how we use our intuition and
judgement in psychotherapy?  I believe that each and every time a therapist
does psychotherapy, it is their intuition and judgement that is "put to
the test."  Now how do we go forward from here?
Step 1: Determine what you want to do.
     1.5: Descide what data you would accept as indicating the presence or
          absence of what you want to do.
     2: Try to do it.
     3: See if you did it by looking at the data.
STEP 4: (most importantly) do not inflict what you consider as data, to
        indicate success, on other people.

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From:         Mona Oommen <oommen@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [Professional Societies]

Eric and others,

Here is info about a few societies:

1.  American Psychological Society (APS)

    E-mail:  (Bitnet) APSKLH@UMUC

    Student Affiliate dues:  $ 20 per year

    Journals you get:  APS Observer (news about APS, announcements, and
                       job openings)
                       Psychological Science

2.  Midwestern Psychological Association (MPS)

    Contact:  Henry L. Roediger, III
	               Dept. of Psych.
               Rice University
               Houston, TX 77251-1892

    Student dues:  $ 6 per year.

    (Not sure if you receive any journals... I just joined recently).

3.  For those of you in Psychobiology,
    Society for Neuroscience.

    11 Dupont Circle, N.W
    Suite 500
    Washington, DC 20036

    Student Memebership dues: $ 30 per year.
    ( They review applications only twice a year).

Hope this helps.

Mona
oommen@psych.purdue.edu
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Subject: Campus Housing Interests??
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:51:00 GMT
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Hi Folks!

Is anyone out there involved in campus housing?  In particular I'd like to
get in touch with some psychgrad grad assistant in Res. Life or Housing.

Can't wait to hear from you!!

Paul Bixler
Mankato State University
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From:         051889@UOTTAWA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: OKANAGAN E-MAIL???

Okanagan is in the Okanagan Valley and I believe it is in British Columbia
which is considerably easier to spell than Saskachewan.  But---I have no
idea how to send e-mail there!
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:03:25 EDT
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From:         Mickie <051889@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: romantic relationships
              11 Apr 1992 07:45:18 PDT from <fishkin@GIRTAB.USC.EDU>

Nancy Collins' e-mail address is iiz4nxc at uclamvs.  I think her work is
primarily with college students.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:00:02 ECT
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From:         Brian Burrell <BA02073@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      re: *curious

Being a mere experimental(cognitive)-type person, maybe I should have stayed
out of the regression therapy thing. But:

Mickie, I agree wholeheartedly that clinicians should strive to help as opposed
to "not do harm", and Ithink most of us agree.  However the discussion has
involved debate over what evidences helping.  (and Matthew, please be more expl
icit about what constitutes a "good moment" in therapy.) We seem to be able
to at least agree that a therapy should do no HARM, and discussion has turned
to whether or not therapies CAN harm as opposed to just bad therapists.
This was just to clarify the whole "doing no harm" thing.
My question for Mickie is: whose standards are you a strong believer in
enforcing.  We can all agree that a therapy should not involve, say,
having the client jump from tall buildings to overcome acrophobia, but
when do we restrain our peers for having a "fruitless" therapy? (Assuming
that the therapy is harmless.)  I understand that one can undergo years of
psychoanalysis, or years of palmistry sessions, or weeks of either
before getting a satisfactory result.  Which is the "legitimate" therapy?

Brian @ Binghamton.
P.S.  Perhaps, until we really understand what's going on in the human psyche,
assuming we ever do, we SHOULD first concern ourselves with not doing harm.
As scientists, we should then argue for why a particular therapy is helpful,
using what we consider to be compelling evidence, and let the CLIENT decide
what's helpful to them since none of it will harm them presumably.  At this
point, no one can point to a therapy that works for everyone (as someone said
recently) so to some degree it boils down to individual decision anyway
if I may overstate my case a little.  Just some thoughts...
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:36:46 CST
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From:         "Tony Bottausci (306) 586-0160" <BOTTAUSC@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      ADDICTIONS RESEARCH

   I am curious to know, meet, chat with anyone doing research in
   addictions for thesis or dissertation. Specifically, I  am
   interested in treatment research. My own thesis is on smoking
   relapse prevention using a behavioral technique. The models are such
   that they can usually quite easily be conceptualized for application
   to alcoholism treatment or any other addiction.

   Gimme a buzz....(pun not intended)

                                      Tony.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:05:36 EST
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From:         Mona Oommen <oommen@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: research on animal models of alcoholism

Thanks to all who responded to my query about faculty who work
on animal models of alcoholism!

Mona
oommen@psych.purdue.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:24:18 -0500
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From:         J_K Kreymer - NLU Psychological Testing Center - 318-342-1350/48
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Subject:      Professional societies
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Thanks for the posting of E-mail addresses on the professional societies.
However, if possible, could you also post the internet e-mail addresses
for them if known?

Mailing to BITnet is a bit limited from out neck of the woods.

Thanks

John Kreymer
pskreymer@merlin.nlu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:14:11 EDT
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From:         Mary Dent <FMDENT@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      research on therapy techniques

Here is something to consider when you feel discontented with the
lack of research to find efficacious psychotherapies:  First, grab your
stats text off the shelf and use the formulas for constructing confidence
intervals around point estimates for any given statistical test. You will
find that a 95% confidence interval for predicting any individual score
includes practically the entire range of possible scores.  We design and
conduct research to get an idea of what the story is with entire groups,
populations even, of people. These research findings give *almost no useful
information* for precisely predicting anything about the lone individual
sitting across the desk from you.  You just don't know where on the distrib-
ution this particular person falls.  Even the most reliable and valid scale
you could devise to predict what form of therapy would work best would have
some variance in it.  Given the limitations of the probabalistic nature of
our knowledge, we will not be able to replace intuition and judgement with
numbers, ever. It's the nature of the beast.
Mary Dent   fmdent at ecuvm1.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:02:00 CDT
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From:         Julia Pounds <JCSP@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      APS

Is anyone out there going to APS in June?  I'm looking for someone to
split room costs.  It's more convenient to stay where the meetings are
held (naps, clothing changes, etc.) however, it can do real damage to the
ol' credit card balance. Maybe if several people are interested we could
_really_ get by on the cheap!?  Contact me directly if interested.
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From:         Michael Wenger <BV0313@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      funding postdoc work

Greetings all:

I'm currently digging around for funding sources for postdoctoral work
in experimental psych.  I've had some leads through the sponsored programs
office here at SUNY-Binghamton, and was wondering if anyone out might have
some additional leads.

Thanks in advance,

-Michael
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:43:00 EST
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From:         NANCY BRITON <BRITON@NORTHEASTERN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: therapy with batterer

JC,
I'm not a clinical person, but it seems to me that, this being early April,
February is not "in the past."  I don't know what the clinical term is for it,
but it sounds like he is trying to deny responsibility for his actions.  I
used to work in a clinic (not as a clinician) and EVERY batterer who came
through said it was either an accident or her fault ("she just knows how to
push my buttons").

I think this person needs to talk about how he feels about women, and he also
needs to see things from a victim's perspective.

Nancy at Northeastern
(The tulips are coming up in Boston too!)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:24:00 EDT
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From:         Jim Lea <LEAJ@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject:      Big Science

How do we discriminate between a genius and a lunatic?  There's nothing
to stop someone from engaging in rather speculative research, but if
it's out on a limb and one's peers have no faith in it, should the
government buy the person a particle accelerator?

I'm not suggesting brown-nosing the powers that be at some politically
correct monolith.  I think innovation and breaking set is a good thing.
But should people really be funded for tangents that they can't even
convince anyone are worthwhile?

I think it's reasonable to expect people to demonstrate that they should
be funded.  A problem is that this may constrain innovation: why speculate
if only the timid ideas are going to be supported.  Do you think people
are made timid by tying themselves to the good ol' (fundable) theories?
Or do they speculate on long bus rides home?


- Jim
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:25:22 -0400
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From:         patrick@PSYCH.TORONTO.EDU
Subject:      Self-disclosure

        If anyone out there is familiar with the research area of
self-disclosure, I was wondering if you could help me.  I am
conducting a study in which people disclose information about themselves
on different topics orally.  I wish to code and analyze tape recordings
of these disclosures in terms of different aspects of self-disclosure.
        I have been experiencing difficulty in locating books, articles,
etc. which explain common coding schemes for self-disclosure. I am
primarily interested in how to code discussions in terms of how intimate
the disclosure is, but am also interested in other elements of self-disclosure
as can be assessed in oral discussions.
        If anyone could provide me with some information or references
related to this issue, I'd really appreciate it.  My e-mail address
is patrick@psych.utoronto.ca.  Thanks.

-Pat Keelan
 University of Toronto
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:52:55 CST
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From:         "james canaday, Kansas University" <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      the controversy-recent regression

hello:
lotsa discussion on regression therapy...which might possibly be a useful
therapy...however, the single story I heard on NPR's "all things considered" a
week ago made the therapy mode itself immaterial to me.  as a novice therapist,

it looked like there was very strong circumstantial evidence to support a charg
e against this psychiatrist of sexual intimacy violations with the med school
student.  it also sounded like she had seriously failed (besides or as a part o
f the previous charge) to set appropriate therapeutic boundaries.
   to use the plumbing analogy, it's as though the plumber were using a potenti
ally useful monkey-wrench/belledonna, but he wants to spend the night with you
while he fixes your pipes.
   I read that there had not been any documented cases of female therapists hav
ing violated sexual intimacies with their clients...maybe this is the first
case to bedocumented going against the usual circumstances for intimacy violati
ons.
jc
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:16:10 CST
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From:         "Tony Bottausci (306) 586-0160" <BOTTAUSC@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
              13 Apr 1992 08:29:05 PDT from <CGILBERT@IDUI1.BITNET>

DEAR CHRISTINE,

        Can we even define 'therapy'?

                                     Tony.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:30:00 EDT
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From:         Jim Lea <LEAJ@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject:      Knowledge & Science

Tammy et al.,

Neat question.  I think a lot of research ideas may come from especially
salient personal experience.  I don't know if that holds for chemists,
but a lot of psych. types seem to be interested in bizarre behaviours
they've experienced.

Most of my experience with more formal idea generation is that there's
considerable pressure very early on to tie "neat ideas" to an existing
theory.  I suppose that makes for organized inquiry, but it may crush
new and exciting perspectives before they're given a chance.

Jim @ Kingston (where the crows are after roadkill)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:50:00 EDT
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From:         NANCY BRITON <BRITON@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      oops

Sorry, all, for my last post.  For some weird unknown reason all my mail was
held up, and I just realized I was responding to an old post (on therapy with
abusers).  So sorry if it was inappropriate time-wise!

I love the VAX  I love the VAX  I love the VAX  I love the VAX  I love the VAX

Nancy at Northeastern
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:17:30 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: an APA E-mail list?

On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:19:57 CST <CANADAY@UKANVM> said:
>hi all, got a question: any other lists on the etherial-mail for apa or other p
>rofessionals, besides APA "div28" and the related lists on GWUVM?  particularly
>, does division 12, clinical, have a list?
>thanks
>jc [canaday at ukanvm]

Surprizingly, no.  The listserv is not being used to its full potential.
We need people who are willing to set up their own lists for these
divisions.  I think that the graduate students are the ones to do it.

Have fun.

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:00:18 EDT
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From:         Dev Butler <BUTLERD@FS1.PSY.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      knowledge
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Speaking of gaining new knowledge,

I'm not exactly what you mean about knowledge but I take it to mean
some real new breakthrough at looking or understanding things. If
given this definition, I feel that science as practiced today
thwarts us in this endeavor.  Submit a new way of looking at
something and see how hard it is to get it published. See how hard it
is to get funding for a new line of research. See how hard it is to
be invited to give a talk. See if you can get your Ph.D. espousing
radical ideas. True, this does not apply to all cases, but definitely
to most.

These days in neuroscience, the field is so diverse that one must
specialize in a small area. Who has time, energy, the emmense
cognitive skills needed to understand it all?  (does one need to
"understand it all"  to get the big picture?) We seem to adding more
epicycles to a ptolemaic (sp?) universe when we need a Copernicus to
show a new order. Will we burn that person at the scientific "stake"
when he/she shows up? Have we already?

Sorry for the rambling, just some thoughts.

Dev at Emory,
A fan of the Duke Blue Devils for many years (no bandwagon jumping
here!!) THREE-PEAT !!!!
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:16:09 EDT
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From:         Mickie <051889@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: curious

I keep checking in and out of this therapy discussion but it intrigues me that
much of the discussion is focussing on `doing no harm'  rather than providing a
helpful service.  Quite frankly, I can not acceptcharging a client money for a
services that has, as a criteria, that it will not harm them!  Think of surgery
--I'd rather know that taking out my appendix will do me some good rather than
that it shouldn't make me any worse off.  I am a strong believer in enforced
standards, and yes Matthew, it is to keep peers in line.  I do want to be sure
that my colleagues are not advocating sleeping with incest survivors as a metho
d to corrective emotional experiences or inducing trauma as a way to realize th
at you don't have to be a victim as an adult.  Any of you who haven't read
Masson's books, they are interesting (although hopefully extremist).  The power
differential in therapy makes the situation ripe for abuse, and because we all
bring our own experiences and histories with us into our sessions, I believe we
have to have some safety nets in place.  Many of my clients (most) over the pas
t three years have been incest survivors and I am sick to death of hearing what
they have experienced at the hands of professionals.  I realize that my little
tantrum is a bit off topic but our profession is so vulnerable to this type of
stuff, and it is so difficult to say what is an ethical therapy and what is not
I believe the only way to go about this business is by making the self-policing
system work (that as colleagues we take responsibility for each other).  The
problem is that we all find it hard to call someone on issues unless they have
gotten blatantly out of hand.  By this time it is too late.  Here in Ottawa a
colleague who graduate recently has done some really bad news things and it is
pretty scary to watch.  Most of us had some sense of little things being off bu
t none of us did anything to prevent what escalated into something awful for al
l involved.  How can we begin to do something like this?    Mickie
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I've been away from psycgrad for a few weeks.  I'm just wondering if anyone out
there has an interest in Marketing or Organizational Culture.

Also, is anyone going to SWPA or SIOP?  Give me an email...

Talk to ya soon.

Paul Bixler
MSPD033@MSUS1
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From:         Michael Wexler <WEXLER@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Romantic Relationships

  A cue if I ever heard one, David! (Congrats on your own close rela!)

I work with Caryl Rusbult right now on some projects.  Here investments
model is way of characterizing why people stay; it is an extension of
Thibaut and Kelley's Interdependence Framework.  Much of her recent
work has been on responses to conflicts, which she divides into
Active/passive and pos/neg.  From these, she predicts stay/leave,
satisfaction, and a slew of other things (attribution patterns,
emotional responses, etc.)

A fellow grad student here by the name of Greg Whitney is working in
the vein of Hazan and Shaver and recent work by Reis to examine
how att patterns predict a bunch of variables (commitment, investments,
etc.)  He has gotten rather nice results, and should have some published
relatively soon.  However, I am sure he would be glad to discuss things
with whomever...

 I don't remember the gist of the orig post, but if this info is
enticing and you want more, send to Wexler@unc.bitnet or Wexler@
oit.unc.oit.edu...

  Good luck!   Michael Wexler...  UNC Chapel Hill
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