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From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Help!  CD  oddity
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:21:53 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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In article <1993Jan12.095957.9793@iscsvax.uni.edu>, larson9627@iscsvax.uni.edu () writes:
|> I have a question about the Help! CD.  I just bought it, and noticed that it
|> was ADD.  How can that be?  Did someone remix it or what?

Yes, "someone" in this case being George Martin.

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'loony', merely because I have a pet
 halibut?"
From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: foreign LP's (was:Re: Japanese pressings)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1993Jan10.194023.40@condor> waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.010659.15329@usl.edu>, pjm9806@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia  
Pablo J) writes:
> > 
> >   A friend of mine has some japanese pressings of some of the beatles
> >   early albums.  These appear to have been released when the albums
> >   first came out.  The albums have some english on them, but they
> >   have lyric sheets and copyright info in japanese.

> Another nice complicated subject!   In all countries there are a lot of 
> label variants etc etc but the issues usually sported the same catalogue 
> number for quite a few years.  In Japan, there seems to been tendency to 
> reissue the albums and also give them revised catalogue numbers (and 
> even covers in the case of the singles) in the process -

As an aside, the Japan is the only country I know of that had *both* the
"American Format" (ie: "Beatles VI", "Yesterday...and Today", etc) and
"British Format" discs available at time of release.   If any of our
Japanese friends are out there, did they feel cheated by the same material
being released in two (or more) different formats at the same time?  

Further, how was the "American Rubber Soul" differentiated from the
"British Rubber Soul" on the shelves?   Would they be found adjacent to
each other on the shelves?

On a slightly different topic, last year the entire Beatles (LP) catalogue
was finally released in the Baltic States (the former Soviet Union).   
Interestingly enough, all new covers were done for the LP's.   While most
are simply alternate pictures, or artwork of the Beatles, the
Revolver / Sgt. Pepper set (it was released as a 2-LP set) was very  
unique.  The "Revolver side" featured the familar line drawings, but
the small insert pictures were all *completely different*!.   The "Pepper"  
side was mostly the same, but a few Russian figures were added to the
backdrop, and the drumskin, and writing on the doll's shirt is now
in Russian!    If only Capitol / EMI could be as clever in their 
re-packagings... <sigh>

<ESC>
--
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:36:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

I just bought my first-ever VCR last week, so now I can participate in this
discussion...  I also just saw a ton of Beatles videos all at once.

I think that a lot of the stuff in the Rutles tape is related to stuff in
the Apple video of "The Beatles' First US Visit" (or something like that),
which includes the Ed Sullivan appearances, the airport press conference,
Murray the K, and some other stuff that the Rutles parodied.  Is this Apple
video the same thing as the "in-house documentary" that other posters have
been talking about?

(Of course other parts of the Rutles tape are related to stuff in Compleat,
like the Maharishi bits.)

What I found most annoying about Compleat wasn't the excerpting, but the
pseudo-profundities.  That long intro about how poor everyone in Liverpool
was, for example -- if I'm remembering correctly, the Beatles themselves
have called that idea overstated.  And the bit where the narration tells us
how the Beatles suddenly hated touring, illustrated with the plane landing
on a rainy day, as if it never rained in 1964.  Pfui.

On the other hand, what's annoying about the Apple video is that it costs
$90 if you want to buy one!  I love the Beatles, but if Casablanca lists
for $20, then $90 is ridiculous for *anything*!  No wonder people make
illegal copies.

P.S.  Beatlefest thinks that AHDN lists for $30 but Blockbuster thinks $25.
(They both agree on $30 for Help!.)
From: nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: VCR Alert!  Thursday, January 7, 1993
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:59:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan5.105944.19019
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

This is a little off the newsgroup topic, but please don't slay me. I just
had to ask...

Are there many Smothers Brothers fans out there among us Beatle lovers? And 
do some of them get E!, and do some of those have VCR's, and would just one
little one of you be wild enough to tape as many Comedy Hours as ya could?
Oh please please please!!! You don't know how long I've been waiting for the
day I'd be able to see the old Comedy Hours, and now it's here, and I'm away
at school, AND WE DON'T HAVE CABLE!!!! Grrrr! You don't understand. I LOVE 
those guys! Might I interest anyone in tapes containing almost every episode
of their show from '65-'66 and/or tapes with all but one of the New Comedy
Hours aired late last decade?? How 'bout we swap yo-yo tricks? :)

Ok. Enough. Sorry. Um, guess I should say something about The Beatles now.
Uhh... they're way cool?

Oh! I've got one! It's stupid, tho'. Where's Paul's album? Where's his tour?
I thought they'd be here by now.

I think I'd best be leaving... Mail me if you like the Smos. Bros.
-- 
Stephanie Nahas            "A man never stands so tall as when he
nahas1@husc.harvard.edu     stoops to help someone else."  
                               --the great showman Florenz Ziegfeld
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mm@brl.mil (Mike Markowski)
Subject: CD Singles and EPs
Reply-To: mm@brl.mil
Organization: US Army Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:29:34 GMT

I've read here that the CD boxed sets of the Beatles' singles and EPs
have slightly different versions of some songs (at least that's true for
the EPs - I missed any talk on the singles set).  Since the best price
I've seen for the singles set is $128 (US) and for the EPs is $92, I wonder
if there is a cheaper alternative.

It would be nice to have the other versions and still be able to pay the
bills!  Has anyone heard if any future releases will put them - the
alternate versions, that is - on only a few cds?  Thanks.

-- 
Mike Markowski
mm@brl.mil
(410)278-6674
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: CD Singles and EPs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:52:18 GMT

Yes, both of the sets have alternate versions.  Mainly these are just
differences between the mono (sets) and stereo (main CD's) mixes.  I posted
a while back some of the main differences in the singles.
But the news is that all these CD's were made from the original EP & 45 master
tapes.  So, no new alternate versions have been created.  So it may be cheaper
to seek out original EP's & 45's of only the ones that are different.
Be warned that some of the most recent Capitol pressings of 45's are in stereo!
Some, not all.  I can post a list of which is which if you want.  (Some even
say mono, but are stereo!)
I could also post a list of what the main 45's & EP's are you'd want to have to
get the alternate versions.  Most of the singles from the 1st four albums (and
EP's, too) are just the same versions as on the normal mono CD's.
Another thing is if you can find any stores that still have the old 3" CD
singles in stock, or ask them to order them (their wholesaler may still have
them).  Then you can get only those CD's that have alternates.
Shall I post lists?

No, I haven't heard of future releases putting all these alternates on one
disc, though we know they'd probably fit.  But there are more alternates that
aren't on these discs anyway.  They need to release the 1st 4 albums in stereo
and the rest in mono to come close to having a good collection of alternates.
Of course, I think they should've originally released the CD's with both mono
and stereo of the album on the same CD.  They all would've fit except the
White Album.

- Jeff ("a life of ease!")
From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: lyrics wanted
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:36:38 GMT

In <endesa.3.726463569@lascar.puc.cl> endesa@lascar.puc.cl (Jorge Espinosa) writes:

>Hi there:
>I'm looking for lyrics of The Inner Light and Flying (MMT).
>Any hint?  Thank U.

>Jorge Espinosa (endesa@lascar.puc.cl)

The Inner Light
Without going out of my door, I can know all places on earth
without looking out of my window, I can know the ways of heaven
The farther one travels, the less one knowes, the less one knowes.
Without going out of your door, you can know all places on earth
without looking out of your window, you can know the ways of heaven
The farther one travels, the less one knowes, the less one knowes.
Arrive without travelling, see all without looking.

(Isn't this a translation from some Japanese poem?)

If you find any lyrics for Flying then let me know :^)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: awp@world.std.com (Alan W Pollack)
Subject: Re: Notes on "Another Girl" (AG)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:49:30 GMT


>Peter Christian writes in-Reply-To: Alan Pollack:
>
>> - The emphasis on the melodic flat 3rd is sufficiently stronger than
>>   average here to create a Major/minor ambiguity regarding the mode of
>>   the home key that is somewhat reminiscent of "I'll Be Back."  ...
>>   ... what do the chord books say there ?  Is the first
>>   chord A Major or minor ?
>
> ... in "the Compleat Beatles" (ed. Milton >Okun, 1981) it gives A Minor 
> but with a note saying:
>        "On the record the A _minor_ prevailing harmony is countered
>        by an A _major_ chord in the accompaniment; However I have
>        chosen _minor_ as the implied tonality."
>Which seems to be a different way of saying the same thing as Alan.
>

	Thanks for the corroboration, Pete :-)  In writing the 'Notes'
	I've been striving as much as possible to stay with only the
	empirical evidence of the recordings themselves so as not to
	be overly swayed or mislead by any one other person's transcription.
	It's also much better ear training practice this way.

	Part of what makes the situation difficult to call in the case
	of "Another Girl" is that fact that the Major/minor mode clash
	is one created by human voice against instruments, where the
	lighter/thinner texture of the voice softens the perceived
	dissonance of the effect.  The identical set of pitches all
	played by instruments where the timbral "weight" of each pitch 
	is equivalent brings out the dissonance into much sharper relief.  

	Run the experiment this way -- play an A Major chord on a
	guitar or piano while you or your lover sing a C Natural
	above it; then stop singing and actually play the upper
	C Natural on the instrument along with the A Major chord
	and see what happens.

	IMHO, the difference in perceived amount of dissonance is
	so surprisingly strong in spite of the fact that the notes
	are identical in each case that it's enough to through you
	off track, analytically speaking.

	Alan (awp@bitstream.com *OR* uunet!huxley!awp)


---
"I didn't expect a musical arranger to question my judgment, picture-wise."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: George's Un-birthday
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:34:27 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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In article <1993Jan12.060334.15942@math.ucla.edu>, dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
|> He was, in fact, born at 11.42p on *24* February 1943.
|> . . .
|> I'm just baffled as to the Straight Facts. "The Beatles
|> A to Z" even reproduces a reproduction of Mr. Harrison's
|> esteemed birth certificate, wherein it states that George
|> was born on 25 February 1943, at 12 Arnold Grove (a home
|> birth, proponents of the politically-correct should note).

|> If we can't trust official documentation, whom can we
|> trust? The fey Mr. Harrison M.B.E.? Surely not...since
|> he obviously played along with the charade all these
|> years (if a charade it was).

Although Beatle lore is rife with examples of unintentional revisionist
memories on the part of "our lads", this is the sort of thing you would
*think* he would be sure about.  Why he hasn't come forward with this stunning
revelation until now is anyone's guess.  Perhaps he didn't think it really
mattered.  He ought to know better.

Given that his was a home birth, I'm willing to take him at his word and write
it off as an administrative error on the part of the authorities.  However,
if Mrs. Louise Harrision (the elder) is still living, I'd like to hear her
side of the story.

|> And for those of us planning a proper bash for the party
|> boy---who will be, as usual, in absentia, but will be
|> toasted royally nevertheless---we'd like to know when
|> to don our party hats.

We have no choice but to party *both* days, just to be sure -- especially if
you're buying!  :-)

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'loony', merely because I have a pet
 halibut?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: reiners@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Beatle Books
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:20:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.093031.62349@cc.usu.edu> slchb@cc.usu.edu writes:
>Here are some books you might be of interest to you.  There are of course 
>many others that are
>worthwhile.
>------------------------
> Author:         Schaffner, Nicholas, 1953-
>
> Title:          The Beatles forever
> Edition:        1st McGraw-Hill pbk. ed.
>
> Published:      New York : McGraw-Hill, 1978, c1977.
> Description:    224 p., <4> p. of plates : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm.
>
> Subjects:       Beatles.
>
> Notes:          Reprint of the ed. published by Cameron House, Harrisburg, 
>Pa.
>                 Includes index.
>                 Bibliography: p. 217-219.
>                 Discography: p. 204-213.
>
>------------------------------

Nicholas Schaffner died last year.  This is one of the four or five best books 
on the Beatles.  It's often on sale on remaindered tables; if you see it, buy
it.
-- 
Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles Forever errors (was Re: Beatle Books)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:37:55 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: pismo.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan7.203127.1807@e2big.mko.dec.com> page@cgvax2.enet.dec.com (Brad Page) writes:
>In article <1ihcjeINNd0m@transfer.stratus.com>, bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes...
>> 
>>It's also got a *lot* of factual errors in it as well, so remember to
>>believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
>> 
>>Bruce
>> 
>	It's been 10+ years since I read it... I don't remember any major
>  errors... though I probably wouldn't have known they were errors at the 
>  time. Could you single out some of the big errors?
>
>


I didn't write them down, and I don't remember off the top of my head.

When I get some time, I'll go thru it again.

Bruce



-- 
Bruce Dumes                           | "You despise me, don't you, Rick?"
bad@sw.stratus.com                    | "If I gave you any thought I probably
Stratus Computer, Inc.                | would."
From: Rob Granville <rgranvil@bbn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles in Crossword Puzzles
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:02:38 GMT
Organization: BBN
Distribution: world
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This may amuse some of you...

I'm used to seeing Beatles clues in crossword puzzles, mostly titles of
songs and such. But here's one I saw the other day that I actually didn't
get right away (although I did after a few minutes):

3 letters: John, to Ringo

Rob Granville
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Christian)
Subject: Re: buddy holly & the beatles
Reply-To: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:20:00 +0000



> Another question is non-originals done by both Holly and the Beatles.
> The only one I can think of at the moment is Ready Teddy on R&R, but
> that's Lennon rather than the Beatles. Any others?

Quite why I forgot, when posting this, that Peggy Sue and Slippin &
Slidin are on the same LP, I do not know.

Peter



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  Dept of European Languages              peter@gold.ac.uk
  Goldsmiths' College, London.            petex@cix.compulink.co.uk
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: pwe@slipknot.mit.edu (Paul W. Emery)
Subject: Musicians wanted Boston area.
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:23:37 GMT

I've played drums here and in the UK for years(I'm 37).I've done the
rock club thing,recording,you name it.Now I'm a dad and don't have the
time or the inclination to do that anymore,I love playing and I love the
Beatles.What I'm looking for is a low key situation where we can get
together maybe once a week to work on Beatles songs pretty much
exclusively.I don't see this as a working band but I won't rule that
out.
    Ideally what I envision would be someone would come forward with a
space where we could get together,a basement,studio or even a rehearsal
room.I'd prefer experienced people but will consider any avid fan with
something to offer.
    So if you're interested email me.
-- 
pwe@slipknot.mit.edu                 "Hello my name is Inego Montoya(sp)
Paul W. Emery                       you kill my father,prepare to die."
M I T Magnet Lab Cambridge Mass U.S.A.   
COSTELLOBEATLESSPINALTAPFAWLTYTOWERSMUTTSAVENGERSSTARTREK.TNGENGLANDRUTLES  
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Re: Help!  CD  oddity
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:44:03 GMT

Eric Robinette (erobinette@desire.wright.edu) asks why Rubber Soul and Help!
were remixed digitally; assuming they were, I can think of only one reason
why: that the compiled master tapes no longer existed, for whatever reason.
In the case of Help!, this is pure conjecture, but for Rubber Soul there
is evidence: when reissuing all of the UK albums in half-speed mastered
issues, Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, which usually puts great care into
making its records from first-generation master tapes, was unable to make
Rubber Soul from the exact master that was originally used and was forced
to substitute an alternate mix of The Word in place of the original.  EMI,
as I understand it, also went to the same original master tapes for its
reissue, and since the Rubber Soul tape wasn't there in complete form for
MFSL, neither was it there for EMI, necessitating at least a partial remix
or subsitution.

By the way, if you haven't heard it, I highly suggest giving any of the 
Mobile Fidelity LPs (remixed or not) a listen.  It's quite an experience. 

Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:58:57 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

In article <1id2gqINNb9f@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
>I just bought my first-ever VCR last week, so now I can participate in this
>discussion...  I also just saw a ton of Beatles videos all at once.

Congratualtions!   Welcome to the "club"!

>I think that a lot of the stuff in the Rutles tape is related to stuff in
>the Apple video of "The Beatles' First US Visit" (or something like that),
>which includes the Ed Sullivan appearances, the airport press conference,
>Murray the K, and some other stuff that the Rutles parodied.  Is this Apple
>video the same thing as the "in-house documentary" that other posters have
>been talking about?

No.   The "in-house documentary" I was referring to was a completed rough
cut (running approximately 90 minutes) of "The Long and Winding Road".   I
have chosen not to use that name, since "L&WR" is apparently no longer a
single film-length documentary, but instead a multi-tape series.

>(Of course other parts of the Rutles tape are related to stuff in Compleat,
>like the Maharishi bits.)

Well, not really.  There is naturally some overlap with "Compleat",
(the Beatles interview where they discussed Brian's death has been used
in several Beatles documentaries) -- but you must remember that "The Rutles"
was a good five years before "Compleat"

>have called that idea overstated.  And the bit where the narration tells us
>how the Beatles suddenly hated touring, illustrated with the plane landing
>on a rainy day, as if it never rained in 1964.  Pfui.

Of course the ironic thing about your comment is that the footage of the
Beatles landing in a rainstorm *was* from 1964!

>On the other hand, what's annoying about the Apple video is that it costs
>$90 if you want to buy one!  I love the Beatles, but if Casablanca lists
>for $20, then $90 is ridiculous for *anything*!  No wonder people make
>illegal copies.

Of course, you could always buy a laserdisc player, get the *best* in audio
and video quality, and pay $39.95 for "First US Visit" ;-)

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Macca on MTV?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:13:48 EST
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1iv17qINNecl@menudo.uh.edu>, edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
> Paul McCartney's "(Un)Plugged" appearance previewing World Tour II, and
> promoting "Off the Ground" will air on MTV February 3, 1993.   Many radio
> stations are planning a simulcast, so those of you without benefit of stereo
> television will still get to hear the broadcast in glorious stereo.
> 

I just read in the latest Billboard that Paul has struck a deal with ABC to
rebroadcast the MTV show and to premiere 2 other shows: a live concert and a
documentary on the concert. No dates or extremely specific details were
mentioned.

Eric Robinette
erobinette@desire.wright.edu