HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mdd@volkl (Marios D. Dikaiakos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.misc
Subject: Re: Info on Macedonia
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:14:37 GMT
Organization: Princeton University CS Dept

In article <C1FDvG.8y4@news.iastate.edu> oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) writes:
>
>What is it with you Greek folks? Your paranoia of "the Turkish threat" has
>no limits. Turkiye has no interest in the Macedonian issue whatsoever. I am
>starting to think that you get some sort of masochistic pleasure by making
>yourselves believe that there is a neighbour constantly posed and willing to 
>beat the hell out of you.

Unofrtunately, the leadership in Turkey does not share your views with
respect to the Turkish involvement in the Balkans, as well as the Turkish
threat against Greece. Quite recently, pres. Ozal suggested that Turkey
should do something to "stir up" the Balkans. I believe that other netters
can provide you with the exact reference.

As for the threats paused by many Turkish officials (from Generals to
Prime Ministers and Presidents) against Greece, I could provide you
with pages of references, which I believe have already surfaced in the
nets long time ago.

regards,

Marios

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 03:43:00 CET
From: maksim.sestic@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Reply-To: maksim.sestic@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: A Question about sanctions
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Beograd
Content-Length: 393     
X-Gateway: NETCALL3.8 UC xclhh.comlink.de [UZERCP V3.99d]

I'm interested in what will  happen when (if) European Community press
harder sanctions against x-YU, and when all these phone lines get cut?
Is  there a  way to  by-pass such  restrictions in  the future  - with
e-mail? How  does information exchange work  in such situations (total
blocade  of  country  borders)  at  all?  Please,  respond  as soon as
possible, 'till it's not too late. :(
From: ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: question
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:35 GMT
Organization: Bellcore

In article <1993Jan26.183042.9109@njitgw.njit.edu> jxz1221@hertz.njit.edu (josko zec ee stnt) writes:
>anybody can tell me times of broadcasting and frequency (shortwave) of
>Croatian radio to be heard in USA ?

15105 KHz @ 12:00 (noon) EST
 7315 KHz @  7:00 p.m.   EST 

or for a more unbiased broadcasts you might tune into the
following frequencies:

17740 KHz @  7:30 a.m.   EST
 6100 KHz @  4:00 p.m.   EST
 9580 KHz @  7:30 p.m.   EST
 9580 KHz @  8:00 p.m.   EST
 9580 KHz @  8:30 p.m.   EST

Happy listening,

DDC
From: jovanovic-nick@cs.yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Intervention?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:52:56 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

In article <1jnord$r4j@agate.berkeley.edu> boyle@kirkuk.berkeley.edu (Joseph Boyle) writes:
>
>I agree that people of all groups are the victims.  Western intervention
>so far, though, has tried so hard to be even-handed and purely humanitarian
>...

Western intervention has been far from even-handed.  Croatia started
ethnic cleansing of Serb villages even before the war between Serbia and
Croatia started.  Croatia did not meet U.N. guidelines for recognition
because of civil and human rights problems.  Croatia has tens of thousands
of its troops in B-H, in addition to the Bosnian Croat forces there.
Croatia is now openly fighting with their Bosnian Muslim "allies."
Croatia is routinely violating the no-fly zone for military purposes.
Croatia plans a Greater Croatia, and Bosnian Croatians have declared their
province of Herceg-Bosna in B-H to be independent of B-H.  Croatia is
violating the arms embargo, by continuing to build up its military.

And yet, there are economic sanctions only on Serbia and Montenegro.
Croatia's secession was recognized by the world.  Yugoslavia (Serbia &
Montenegro) was dismissed from part of the U.N.  If these are examples
of an even-handed policy toward ex-Yugoslavia, I am from Mars.

-Nick


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.misc
From: viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henrikson)
Subject: Re: Info on Macedonia
Reply-To: viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:06:15 GMT

In article <JTSILLA.93Jan25123615@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>, jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas) writes:
|> 
|>    Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.misc
|>    From: viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henrikson)
|>    Reply-To: viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca
|>    Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
|>    Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:19:02 GMT
|> 
|> 	[del]
|> 
|>    Aristotle was an Athenian.
|> 
|> Bzzzt! Aristotle was born and grew up in Chalkidiki in Macedonia. He was
|> Alexander's tutor.
|> 
|> For penance you may go to history book and read up on that period :-)
|> 
|> It's silly to bring ancient history into this question, though, Harold.
|> All this stuff is forgotten. Today Greeks are more worried about
|> militants in Skopje who may seek a Turkish or Bulgarian ally in
|> threatening the Macedonian porovince. We only need to go back to Tito for
|> evidence on this.
|> 
|> Without the "Macedonian" name attached to their country they won't have
|> much of a pretext (or they won't have this specific
|> pretext). Based on recent history these fears are justified.
|> 
|> Harold, Greece needs the west's support on this issue.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> 	***  James Tsillas  jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu   ***
|> 	***      Work: (508)898-2800, Home: (617)641-0513        ***
|> 	***        "He is after me. Jim is after him."           ***
|> 	***            - Hop on Pop, Dr. Seuss                   ***

Yes he was Alexander's tutor.  Where he was born though puzzles me as he is
regarded as a great Athenian philosopher in history.  So why the connection
to Athens if he was born and grew up in Macedonia?

As far as support from the West, I think you're whistling in the wind.  We see
the horrors going on in Bosnia and Croatia and are aware of the possibility of
an all-out Balkan war if Macedonia is not recognized as an independent country
since the alternative is that it becomes fair game for anyone who wants it.  Add
to this the fact that Greece is so much bigger and more powerful than Macedonia
and no wonder Greece looks like a bunch of whining dogs in the manger.  You'll
get your support if anyone tries to attack Greece but in the present context all
you can really expect is contempt.
--
Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

Pillaging and plundering were more fun than programming!
(Opinions are not my employer's and sometimes not mine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:08:22 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <C1Iq07.6A1@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>Are you saying that there are still something in those evidence which cannot
>prove that this problem is only caused by Chinese? I also suspect why they
>are so "co-operative" and are those data real?

I am saying you are far more creative and intrigant than I was. It will be
a great loss to alt.conspiracy if you don't subscribe.

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jmn629@psuvm.psu.edu (A.Ahmed)
Subject: test
Keywords: none
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:08:07 GMT

test
From: hay36859@eng-nxt11.cso.uiuc.edu (Haidong Anthony Ye)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: problems on installing chinese fonts in X11R5
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:48:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1H2sK.Dx9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <xu.727902813@prim.rose.utoronto.ca> xu@prim.rose.utoronto.ca  
(Jiefeng Xu) writes:
> Happy New Year! I found some problems when I tried to install fonts.  
Here is what I got:
> 
> 
> xu>cd xfonts
> xu>zcat cclib16st.bdf.Z | bdftopcf -t > cclib16st.pcf
> cclib16st.pcf: File exists.
> xu>rm *.pcf
> xu>zcat cclib16st.bdf.Z | bdftopcf -t > cclib16st.pcf
> xu>mkfontdir .
> xu>xset fp+ .;
> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for  
operation)
>   Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)
>   Value in failed request:  0x3
>   Serial number of failed request:  4
>   Current serial number in output stream:  6
> xu>xset q
> Keyboard Control:
>   auto repeat:  on    key click percent:  0    LED mask:  00000000
>   auto repeating keys:  0000000000000000
>                         0000000000000000
>                         0000000000000000
>                         0000000000000000
>   bell percent:  50    bell pitch:  800    bell duration:  100
> Pointer Control:
>   acceleration:  3/1    threshold:  1
> Screen Saver:
>   prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes
>   timeout:  600    cycle:  600
> Colors:
>   default colormap:  0x27    BlackPixel:  1    WhitePixel:  0
> Font Path:
>   built-ins,/usr/lib/X11/ncd/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/ncd/fonts/100dpi/
> Bug Mode: compatibility mode is enabled
> 
> How to solve the problem? I am using X11R5 on sun sparc workstation.
> Thank you very much for your help.

The most probable problem is that you are not using the X server which
the xfonts resides with, that means either you are remotely login
to your workstation(so that you are using other X server) or you are
using a Xstation(which does not have the disk to store fonts), I can't
think of other reasons, but what the error tells you is that you are
trying to make your path acknowledged by a X server which can not
access the path.

I would suggest that login to the console of your workstation, and try 
again using the FULL PATH NAME:
xu> xset fp+ `pwd`

Sometimes "xset" does not work correctly with shortcuts, I don't know why.

Good luck,
-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sosc1058@wc27.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Liu2 Li4 (Big Ear), Beijing 1st Normal middle school.  You are wanted
Organization: Comp. Sci.  York Univ.  Toronto
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:32:01 GMT

This is for seeking a guy from Beijing 1st Normal middle school.  He
then went to Beijing University majored in Physics.  He had done very
well in National high-school physics contest (No. 2 man, No. 1 in
Beijing).  Don't know where he is now.  MIT?  Stanford?  UC Berkeley?

Who know his email?  Many thanks.

--
Ming He                                   sosc1058@reader.yorku.ca
From Beijing, China.  Like to watch to the transference of data.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Blame US Industry (Was Re: L.S.U. Professor says...).
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:06:06 GMT

n0r1688@zeus.tamu.edu (Raghunand Natarajan) writes:

....
>their own country (i.e, foreigners coming in and working for less). All
>I'm saying is, people who don't like such a state of affairs should point their
>fingers at the right entity, viz., the employers who hire these foreigners for 
>less..... and not at the foreigners themselves.

Maybe, people should point fingers to the customers, who always ask for better
quality but cheaper products. How could those employers survive if they can't
make money?

>Regards...

>-Raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Rally to "Contain cChina"
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:32:46 GMT

Reposting.

From ulowell!news.bbn.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!quark.sfsu.edu!tun Wed Jan 27 01:34:54 EST 1993
Article: 4982 of soc.culture.thai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: yy7085@meibm10.cen.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Chinese New Year Celebration in Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:20:37 GMT
Keywords: chicago chinese new year

yy7085@meibm10.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:

Some one at Argonne (xiaobai@...) sent a mail to me asking me to share any
reply info to my first post about the celebration in Chicago. I accidently
lost your return address, here I let you know that your note to me is the only
"reply" I got so far. :-(  

It seems that every one is busy shopping, as tomorrow is the New Year's Eve, and
no one has one minute to give some info here as requested. :-(

>Hi, there. I was told that there will be some celebration activities, for
>the Chinese New Year, in Chicago's China Town. Any one from UIC or UC can
>kindly provide the place/time info. Thanx in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Real Tibetans ? 
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:03:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.232556.27876@fuug.fi> an7955@anon.penet.fi (a.committee.of.real.tibetans) writes:

What do you mean "real tibetans" ?    


J Su

>   Ill-Treatment in Labour Camps in Tibet
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu)
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:42:12 GMT

ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:

>In article <C185A4.Jto@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes:
>>Some one may fool some people all the time, some one may fool all the people 
>>some time, but no one can fool all the people all the time. No matter KMT
>>or CCP, they are changing, they must!! CCP gave up the policy to attack Taiwan
>>ten years ago, KMT gave up a couple of years. they have no other choice. now 
>>KMT is a little bit stubborn on mainland's policy, actually stubborn like
>>donkey. KMT just want to save its face. Considering this, I rather choose CCP
>>which know when it should change.


>	Looking at the "happenings" you mentioned, I think some one is still
>	being fooled by some one at this point.

>	If CCP gave up the policy to attack Taiwan ten years ago, well, she
>	has forgotten to tell her leaders and everyone else (look like
>	you are the only one who get informed of this policy change :-)

>	KMT may not have changed herself, at least, the environment she
>	is in have changed; she no longer can enjoy the political power
>	she once had. People tells KMT what she can do no matter KMT like
>	it or not in Taiwan.

>	I am happy to say that mainland Chinese will be able to enjoy
>	the political power in the near future if you forget about this
>	CCP .vs. KMT trap. You are your own boss and don't let CCP or
>	KMT pretend they are the boss.

>Yung-Kao Hsu

It maybe neccesary to mention a little bit history here. many netter here
from mainland grown up with what chairman Mao used to said" we must liberate
Taiwan", but Deng Xiao Ping never mention a word since he took power in
china ten years ago, Mr. Deng stoped bombing Golden Gate islands since
then. It is true CCP never promise the international world to give up to
use force at Taiwan. why?  does anybody promise to their neighbour he never
naked at his own backyard?? CCP would fight if she feel threated, like Mao
kept bombing Golden Gate when U.S. backup KMT or Deng used army in Tiananman
square. But CCP will not use force if Taiwan be not independent. Taiwan is
nothing to CCP, but CCP must prove to billion chinese she is the suitable
leader in China.
one more thing, billion chinese is not the slave of CCP. they do not have 
any other choice. at least CCP keeps China in order and gives them a peaceful
life. is any chinese democratic organisation abroard capable to this job???
I feel sick and shame when those democratic fighters fight for power!!!!!!
what we care is the future of china, not of CCP or KMT. but so far the CCP
is the only hope. we don't have any choice.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Show Down
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:03:09 GMT


joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:

>In article <C1HBzF.D0A@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu 
>(Chunde Shi) writes:
>>Mainland  part is more consolitary with this kind of face game. 
>>When ever address anything with regard to Taiwan. Mainland radio 
>>uses Mainland only to address it self.  While Taiwan Radio tediously 
>>repeats "ROC"(Zhong Hua Min Guo).

>No. Not tedious at all to me. I like it this way. If it's 
>tedious to you, I couldn't be happier. :)
>
>-- Chien-Chung Chen

Growing up in a vulnerable isolated island is very hard experience.
I understand why Taiwanese behaves like this. My pities go to all
those from Taiwan. Hope they'll become confident soon.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35096 soc.culture.hongkong:17421
From: machang@llewella.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: "Ruterning to Hong Kong" document
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:43:03 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Can anyone tell me where I can find the "Returing to Hong Kong" documents.  
I remembered it was at ahkcus.org. But I couldn't find it. Any comments  
and suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Andy
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35213 soc.culture.taiwan:17546 soc.culture.hongkong:17492
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:55:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.200226.4803@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
>Yuanhui Liu (liuyh@vis.toronto.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan27.162031.1443@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>: >In article <1993Jan27.150329.29166@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
>: >>Great Era (b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
>: >>
>: >>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>: >>
>: >>
>: >>: Great Era.
>: >>
>: >>Great lady.
>: >
>: >Why?
>
>: because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
>: to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
>: should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  
>
>She's probably the only person who really understands Dr. Sun's 
>theory and hold her life to defend/apply it, without personal interest.
>
>--wang

probably a few others, early members of KMT and CCP, most got themselves
killed either by warlords, or by their fellow comrades in the CCP and
KMT, which was such a shame!  Even Liao4 Zhong2 Kai3 was assissinated,
his presitage and friendship with Dr. Sun did not protect him.  
Song Qing Ling's special status did protect her, but she was one
brave woman.
From: zchen@emory.edu (Zhongmin Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for friends
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:08:32 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I am looking  for the email address  of Gu Feng at Business school
of Washington University, if someone knows, please post it or email
me, thank you.
From: kai@cherokee.unl.edu (Kai Qian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IGNORE IT
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.unl.edu
Summary: this is a test
Keywords: gift

this is a gift test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Trilateralists
Organization: The COBE project ???  Organized ?!?!?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:58:41 GMT
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In article <C1C1Cq.80s@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu 
(Chunde Shi) writes:

>Repost without permission.

 [3 header lines deleted]
>From: harty@westford.ccur.com (Kevin Harty)
>Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Chunde, that group is worse for your mind than afternoon soap operas !!  

  "This is your brain."  
  "This is your brain on alt.conspiracy" [ Loud sizzling noise ]  
  "_Any_ _questions_ ?"  :-)  

>Subject: What the Trilateralists truly intend
          ^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 [7 header lines deleted]

  "BOGOSITY ALARM TRIPPED AT 13:44 HOURS !"  
  "RED ALERT !!  RED ALERT !!  THE SHIP IS ON RED ALERT !!"  
  "INCOMING B.S. ABOUT THE 'TRILATERALISTS' .. RAISE THE SHIELDS !"  
  "SHIELDS RAISED"  [ crashing sound ]  

  "Secure from red alert .. Give me a damage report!!"  
  "No damage, sir.  The bogosity vortex did not compromise the ship."  

:-) :-)  

Seriously, folks .. I have heard _WAY_ too much about the "evil 
Trilateralists" .. mostly from outfits like Lyndon LaRouche's 
little crew, and _especially_ from folks of the John Birch Society's 
persuasion.  

> Posted for Pat Daly daly@ptltd.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

>"What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide
>economic power superior to the political power of the nation/states
>involved...As managers and creators of this system, they will rule the
>future." -- Barry Goldwater, from his book "With No Apologies", 1979
 [rest deleted]  

In some ways, I respected Goldwater a lot.  The guy was known to be 
bluntly, even offensively honest, a trait as common in politicians 
as molars are in chickens.  But when he was polled about this area, 
he had a bad habit of going off into cloud-cuckoo land.  This, as 
much as anything, was what got him buried in the 1964 Presidential 
landslide.  Folks just felt _nervous_ about a chap who could go off 
the deep end like that ...

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