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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: Adobe Caslon Expert (#181) Who's Using it and Whaddaya Think?
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:54:34 GMT

In article <1i2fmcINN3kq@mirror.digex.com> burgoyne@access.digex.com
(J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
>I wrote a book and used Adobe Caslon. It came out well and now we're
>getting ready to print 1000 copies. I was thinking of investing in
>the above mentioned font #181 to really make thinks look
>professional.
>
>This book is done with Word for Windows, and I use Aldus Pagemaker
>for many other projects. Comments, etc. are appreciated.

I've been using Adobe Caslon, with its Expert and Alternate sets, with
TeX, but I'm afraid I can't help with anything related specifically to
W4W or Pagemaker.  (With TeX, I was able to set up virtual fonts that
made the appropriate ligature substitutions automatic, with the choice
of font determining whether I get only "f" ligatures, or "ct" and "st"
ligatures, or long-"s" ligatures.  I don't know if there is any
corresponding ability in the programs you've mentioned, so I don't
know how much of a pain it would be for you to use the additional
characters.)  I do like the look of the font, though, and the
ligatures do improve the appearance of text somewhat.

-David
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Quark Xpress for Windows!
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:46:34 GMT

Just curious: Has anyone out there had the opportunity to get
their hands on the long-awaited Quark for Windows?  If so, would
you be willing to offer a review for those of us who haven't
had the pleasure yet?  How does it compare to the Mac version?
Any especially astounding capabilities?  Will no one ever want
to use PageMaker or Ventura again?

   --Dave.

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From: kfischer@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Kevin J. Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Music font
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:42:39 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

I am looking for a music font in either than ATM or TrueType format.
I think that these music fonts are often referred to as 'Sonata fonts'.
This font NEEDS to be public domain so I can distribute it with my
program.  Any information about where to obtain such a font would
be greatly appreciated.

-- 

Kevin Fischer
kfischer@seas.ucla.edu

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)
Subject: Re: TrueTypeFont-Bug!
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Summary: Looking for working version of some ornate fonts.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:16:46 GMT

In article <1ce6da9b@p7.f7521.n241.z2.fidonet.org> in comp.os.ms-windows.setup
   Kai_Rohrbacher@p7.badendoor.fido.de (Kai Rohrbacher) writes:
>
>  I  discovered  a  very  annoying  bug with Windows' 3.1 TrueTypeFonts
>  (TTF's) and I can't imagine being the first one:
>  When  using  complex  TTF's  (especially  the  three ornamented fonts
>  "CarrickCaps",  "KonanurKaps" and "Starburst"; others too), the chars
>  display well at the screen, but get printed out as empty, rectangular
>  boxes!
...
>  I  suspect  that by default, Windows doesn't set aside enough RAM for
>  the font-handling; does anybody know how to fix that?

The problem doesn't seem to be just with Windows drivers.  I ran into
this exact problem with some of the fonts you mentioned and various
others.  I tried to use Atech's Alltype conversion utility to convert
the offending fonts to type-1 PostScript, but it died with a general
protection fault on every one!

The other fonts that gave me trouble were:

	EileenCaps		Elzevier-Caps
	EileenCaps-Black	Uechi

If anyone can point me toward a working version (PostScript or TrueType)
of any of the above fonts, I'd appreciate it.

Bob Nichols
AT&T Bell Laboratories
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3863 comp.infosystems.gopher:1831
From: walsh@cs.umass.edu (Norman Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Experimental Gopher
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: walsh@cs.umass.edu
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)

Greetings,

Over the last couple of lunch breaks, I've established an experimental gopher
with the following feature: you can retreive small GIF image samples of most
of the internet-available PostScript and MetaFont fonts.  I had the images
lying around (more or less) so I thought I'd set this thing up and see what
people think.

The gopher is at ibis.cs.umass.edu, port 70.

This is a very experimental thing so it may or may not be up at any given time
(though it's _usually_ up right now).  If it becomes too resource consumptive,
it'll have to go.  But I am hoping for some feedback so please try it and let
me know what you think (if you're interested in fonts at all).

If anyone who maintains a more permanent gopher would like to put this service
up locally, let me know and I'll arrange to get the images and directories to
you.

                                                  Enjoy,
                                                    norm
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<walsh@cs.umass.edu> | CMPSCI Dept., LGRC A210 | Standard disclaimer applies
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: Classification of Typefaces?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:21:14 GMT

Terry Carroll asked:
> A few weeks ago someone asked if there was a methodology to
> describe and  classify typefaces.  I negelected to get the
> answer, and now, I need it.
> 
> Does anyone have this information? 

I asked the question, and (as Nick responded), the
pointer I got was to the PANOSE system.  There's a brief
description in the TrueType online documents, but I
haven't sent away for the full description from the
PANOSE people: Elseware Corporation (206-632-3300).

ab
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From:  fedor@anabor.spb.su (Fedor B. Bykov)
Subject: NEED Word Perfect and MS Word file formats
Reply-To: fedor@anabor.spb.su
Organization: ANABOR Ltd
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:27:13 GMT

Hello all!
Could anybody help me to find the description of
Word Perfect 5.x and MS Word file formats.
Thanks to everybody in advance.
fedor



Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsand@vipunen.hut.fi (Tapio Sand)
Subject: Re: CYRILLIC TrueType Font wanted
Reply-To: tsand@vipunen.hut.fi (Tapio Sand)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:33:13 GMT

In article <16B539723.STATDEMO@ibm.rz.uni-passau.de> STATDEMO@ibm.rz.uni-passau.de writes:
> 
>Where can I find/get/buy a Cyrillic (Russian) TrueType Font for
>MS Windows 3 ?? Any ftp site ?
> 

At least nic.funet.fi has one called CYRTTF.ZIP. It's PD.
About 128k long. Has normal,bold,italics. If you select USA
keyboard layout from Windows' Control Panel, the cyrillic
keyboard layout will conform to a standard called AASTEEL.
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From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: NEED ADVICE: FONTS WON'T convert type1-->truetype!
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have found some cool type 1 fonts which I want to convert to 
truetype because I do not have ATM nor do I wish to ( I know a lot of
people on the net hate truetype, but please don't flame me...).  Any
way, I am using Fontographer 1.0.5, and many fonts convert just fine,
but there are a couple which convert, but when I open the truetupe
font, there is nothing but blank characters, and it is clear that
there is nothing in the font ( they all =6K, less than their bitmaps).
BTW- I always get bitmaps that look fine.  Are there some fonts
which are buggy and won't convert, or is there a trick I don't know?
Or do I simply need to download them again?

Thanks for any advice!

______________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dalessio@rtsg.mot.com (Mario D'Alessio)
Subject: WANTED: Decorative Truetype fonts
Summary: Wanted: decorative truetype fonts
Keywords: wanted truetype fonts msdos
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:38:50 GMT

I am looking for any NON-commercial
cool/pretty/outrageous/funny/etc.  fonts in the Truetype
format. I want them to create cards, banners, etc.
I got a few from ftp.cica.indiana.edu and I'm looking
for some others.

You can send them to me or tell me where to get them.

Thanks in advance.

Mario


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Getting a job in typographic design
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:55:08 GMT


Hi all. Can anyone give me some advice on how to how to get a job in
typography / graphic design / newspaper or magazine production? I'm
graduating from college this spring with a BA in philosophy. I intend
to do PhD work in cognitive science / artificial intelligence later on,
but I want to work in publishing -- away from academia -- for a few
years first. My plan is to get an internship at a local paper or
magazine, and use that experience to get a Real Job in production
somewhere, preferably Chicago.

But now I'm wondering whether this is realistic: Will anyone consider
employing someone who has no formal education in art or design? I have
been doing and managing production on my college newspaper for a
couple of years, as well as doing other odd jobs like designing
T-shirts. Not to boast, but I think I have as good an eye for
lettering and typefaces as anyone I've met. I'm pretty competent with
the right Mac applications (etc) also.

Do I have a chance of finding a good job in design? Is there someone
reading this who has been or is in the same position? Can anyone give
me some advice? I've heard of the Poynter Institute in Florida, which
offers two-month fellowships in newspaper design . . . are there other
places like this I should know about?

Thanks,
Jake.
-- 
"I dream in Futura." <- - - - - - - - Jacob Galley / gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Need Quantum Leap font-TT or Type1 Mac
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:16:43 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Hi-ho, all...
I've been downloading about 9.9 billion fonts for my mac tonight, and noticed
that nowhere is there a font similar or the same as the one used in the NBC
show Quantum Leap.  If you know the show, you know what I'm talking about. 
Does anyone out there in netland know where I might find a PD/SW/whatever ware
version of the font in TrueType (Mac version) or Type 1?

Thanks much in advance!

Bruce
-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

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spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Anyone Make A Eurostyle Font?
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:47:25 GMT

In article 1ilc1hINNpcc@smurf.sti.com, westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes) writes:
>Does anyone make a Eurostyle font?  If you have a manufacturer (and part
>number) please contact me by mail.  Thanks!
>
>-- 
>Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com

_Everyone_ does.  Adobe has the face in many flavors, if you're
willing to pay big $$$ for it.  I've also seen a public domain
version--though, like most pd fonts, it's got serious problems.

   --Dave.

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       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: XFontStruct to font name. HOW?!
From: azaria@ivory.bgu.ac.il (elburg azaria)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:25:21 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

How do i get the name of a font given a pointer
 to the XFontStruct ?! (from within a C program of course)

ThanX in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: georgem@microsoft.com (George Moore)
Subject: Re: Old Slavonic Church laser fonts required !!!
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:22:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

The Cyrillic and Extended Cyrillic areas of the Lucida Sans Unicode
font contain the Old Slavonic Church characters.  This TrueType
font is available for free with Windows NT, however, I don't know
of any Unicode-enabled applications which would let you actually
do something with this font (yet).  You could whip up your own
NT program that uses the new TextOutW API to output Unicode
characters to your screen or printer.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen)
Subject: Re: Macintosh, Ukrainian font(s)
Keywords: wncyr
Reply-To: knappen@obelix.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE
Organization: ONO (Organisation der Nicht-Organisierten)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:06:48 GMT

The wncyr font from TeX has all ukrainian letters except the ge with upturn.
It is available from many servers as METAFONT source and/or readily computed
metrics and bitmaps. 

The addition of the missing g' is planned, but not yet done.

--JK
From: westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Anyone Make A Eurostyle Font?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:07:45 -0800
Organization: Mail Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: smurf.sti.com

Does anyone make a Eurostyle font?  If you have a manufacturer (and part
number) please contact me by mail.  Thanks!

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: crs5@quads.uchicago.edu (charles robert stone jr)
Subject: Winword 2.0 passwords
Reply-To: crs5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:26:56 GMT


Are passwords in Winword 2.0 easily cracked? 



-- 
Charles Stone
crs5@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Future OS virus immunity.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:28:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1iaek2INNm6l@uther.cs.purdue.edu>, spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) writes:
> If you take Fred Cohen's definition of virus, then Unix itself is one
> of the most successful viruses ever written, since it tends to result
> in the creation of modified versions of itself on other computer
> systems! 

Also netnews...
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Future OS virus immunity.
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:57:22 GMT

In article <bontchev.726252904@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:
> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> > The Amiga has even fewer viruses out than the Mac, despite some *lovely*
> > hooks for viruses to hang from. It's simply a matter of popularity.

> That's not true, sorry. It's exactly the other way around. There are
> about 150 Amiga viruses and about 35 Mac viruses.

There must have been some pretty explosive growth in the Amiga virus scene
recently, then. Certainly my information isn't up to date.
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Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: shabbir@panix.com (Shabbir J. Safdar)
Subject: chkacct users, please read.  New version on the way.
Summary: Help improve the next version of chkacct, send bug reports
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:25:33 GMT


Have you used "chkacct" at some time in the past year?  Is it installed at
your site?

If you already know what chkacct is, skip this next paragraph.

Description: (If you don't know what "chkacct is...)
"chkacct" is a novice-oriented account security tool.  It is intended to
allow Unix novices to check some basic potential vulnerabilities without
having to become Unix experts first.  Using standard Unix tools such as
find(1) and ls(1), it attempts to fix things which might otherwise go
unnoticed.  "chkacct" is written to be easy to use and non-threatening,
in order to encourage novices to use it.  If you are interested in being
a beta-tester for "chkacct", write to shabbir@panix.com and I will
let you know when the beta version is ready and where you can pick it
up.  Hold tight and it will be out soon.  If you don't want to be a beta
tester, just hang out and the announcement of the next version will
appear on the net in due time.  For further information on "chkacct",
see the relevant paper in the proceedings of the Baltimore Usenix
Security Conference, fall 1992.


(If you do know what chkacct is....)
I'm planning on releasing another version of chkacct within the next
month and want to make sure that I have all the bug reports available.
If you've sent me bug reports in the last year, THANKS!  I have them
filed away and all of your contributions should be incorporated into
the next release.  If you've had some things you wish to see it do,
or an old bug report you never got around to sending me, please take the
time and do it now.  Send your bug reports/suggestions to shabbir@panix.com.

Shabbir J. Safdar
shabbir@panix.com
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
Subject: Re: Future OS virus immunity.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:58:16 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan4.163918.11360@PacBell.COM> jmcarli@srv.PacBell.COM (Jerry M. Carlin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.023308.25376@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>>... but you have to really be careful
>>about programs that run setuid, protections on all files, and other such
>>issues.
>>
>>... I do wonder how much more secure
>>other OS's are, where the ability to keep a security hole quiet is a bit
>>easier.
>
>Tandam Guardian has 'progid' which is morally equivalent to setuid.
>MVS has something like 'privileged libraries'. In fact, every operating
>system has some form of privilege mechanism and this mechanism is subject
>to the universal problem of incorrect administration.

I believe the original point that was being made is that MacOS and MS-DOS
do not have any such mechanism.  Therefore, security on them is not possible,
or is limited entirely to the physical security of the machine.
--scott
From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
Subject: Re: 666
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:07:35 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <4628@bimacs.BITNET> yedidya@bimacs.BITNET (Yedidya Israel) writes:
>I wonder why /dev/tty?? (esp. ptys) must have 666 permissions.
>Do not email, please post.

They don't have to. In fact some folks set them to 600. Sure does
cut down on user complaints about the FORTRAN compiler.

:-)

Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein)
Subject: Re: Future OS virus immunity.
Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:17:57 GMT

eronald@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Edmund Ronald) writes:

>  Several people remarked that virues on Unix machines were "impossible"
>because of the access control separating accounts. [etc.]

Clearly UNIX viruses are possible, but are harder to do than in the MS-DOS
and Mac world.  As several others have noted, access control and memory
management make the job of the virus writer more difficult, but don't
eliminate the possibility.  But on to the main point...

>I was interested in FUTURE systems: How might these be rendered "resistant
> by design"?

The first step is to go back to the dreaded Orange Book...while it doesn't
have anything that talks about viruses, it DOES talk about designing and
developing secure systems.  The reason most systems are so vulnerable
to viruses, trojan horses, bugs, etc., is that they are not designed,
implemented, or tested in a rigorous fashion.  No matter what you're going
to do to avoid viruses, if you don't design and build the system in a
way to ensure that it's right (i.e., with high assurance) the bugs will
exist allowing clever and malicous users to bypass the security.

As to what *mechanisms* work, I'd suggest going back to a lot of work
done in the 60s on capability-based mechanisms, along with some newer
work to update it.  Unlike traditional access control which is based
on a user's identity (and perhaps other attributes), capabilities give
individual *programs*, or even parts of programs, the ability to access
objects (such as files) within the system.  A properly implemented
capability system should be relatively virus-resistant, since the virus
would not have any capabilities, even if the user executes it accidentally.
Of course, if the user can be tricked into assigning capabilities to the
virus, or the virus can obtain the capabilities through a bug in the
system, this doesn't help.

The problem with this approach, and the reason capabilities aren't used 
very much is that it's more complicated and less intuitive (IMHO) to
manage them.  To implement a UNIX-like interface on top of a capability
system every utility would have to be granted access to every possible
file.  That is, if I want to run "grep" on all my files, it's a real
nuisance to first have to invoke a trusted interface to grant grep
all the needed capabilities, and then to run the untrusted grep program.

Like Mr. Roland (the poster of the original question), I'd be interested
in other approaches people would propose.
-- 
Jeremy Epstein			Internet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com
Trusted X Research Group	Voice: +1 703/803-4947
TRW Systems Division
Fairfax Virginia
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,alt.security,mot.comp.security