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From: gandalf@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Juergen Wagner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: OpenWindows and Tk - is there anything I can do?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:27:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Stanford University CSLI

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:50:15 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct2.085015.26608@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x

When I got Tcl/Tk for the first time (I think, this was version 2.1),
it lacked a mechanism for pointer/keyboard grabbing, so I went ahead
and implemented it (this was obsoleted a few versions later).

Everything seemed to wirk fine, except that sometimes mysterious X
errors popped up (like the one you have been getting). A few
experiments showed that apparently, the window I created and
immediately grabbed the mouse and keyboard for, didn't exist
immediately after its creation, i.e., its window id didn't seem to be
valid for the grab operation.

Inserting "after 200" solved the problem. As far as I can see, there
are four possible causes of this bug/undocumented feature:

[1] Tcl/Tk's X stuff needs a chance to execute some code after certain
operations (like window creation). Since Tcl?Tk is non-preemptive,
only a delay can accomplish this.

[2] There is a window manager problem. This must be a fairly general
problem because I obbserved it under both twm and mwm. Now you have
similar effects with OpenLook. Maybe the mapping of new windows
doesn't happen fast enough (this would also explain, why a delay helps
solve the problem).

[3] The X server has a bug. This seems to be unlikely (no kidding! :-)
because I get this behavior on all kind of servers (Sun, Dec, HP, MIT). 

[4] It's something else :-).

My favourite is [2], next comes [1]. Can anyone who has some more
insight into Xlib and Tcl/Tk (and more time) comment on this?

--Juergen Wagner

J_Wagner@iao.fhg.de
gandalf@csli.stanford.edu
From: pkarrer@bernina.ethz.ch (Peter Karrer)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X and UDP?
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:30:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:37:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep27.203743.16264@bernina.ethz.ch>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I'm trying to run a demo version of Xtreme's X Appeal X server for DOS.
No success so far, both over SLIP on my home system (silly, I know) and
over a token ring network at work (packet drivers ETHERSL and IBMTOKEN).

TRACE shows that the X server is sending UDP packets to port 177 (hex B1)
and is getting "port unreachable" ICMP messages back.

Now, I heard that X is using TCP, ports n00* (n=8?). So what's that UDP
stuff?

Thanks for info,
-- 
Peter Karrer                                   pkarrer@bernina.ethz.ch
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: How to make mouse button 2 act like mouse button 1
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:19:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: 6 Oct 92 03:46:03 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct6.034603.11871@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep29.191926.9364@ERA.COM>, feit@ERA.COM (Mark Feit) writes:
> On comp.windows.x.motif, jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S) posts:

>> Hi. I have a need to make mouse button 2 act identically to mouse
>> button 1 in a Motif application.

>> 1. Most importantly, how can I make MB2 function EXACTLY like MB1,
>>    to the user?
>> 4. How can this be fixed so that it works universally?
> Universally?  With translations?  Can't be done.

Thanks to the misdesign of the translations mechanism, yes.

The right way to do this would be to change the pointer mapping so that
physical button 1 and physical button 2 are both mapped to logical
button 1.

However, this is not possible.  The protocol spec for the
SetPointerMapping request says that

     A zero element disables a button.  Elements are not restricted in
     value by the number of physical buttons, but no two elements can
     have the same nonzero value (or a Value error results).

Does anyone know why the second restriction?  It makes no sense to me,
and in fact flies directly in the face of the oft-quoted "tools, not
rules" philosophy.

> I can think of three solutions, two software and one hardware:

> The best bet is to tweak your server so that anything that comes from
> button 2 gets reported as button 1.  [...]

> Second best [is a protocol filter]

> Third (and worst, IMHO) is a customized mouse [...]

I would argue for hacking on the server to remove the restriction that
elements of the pointer mapping list must all be distinct.  As far as I
can see it's a silly restriction with no point anyway, and doubt that
lifting it would break anything.  You will technically no longer be
using the X Window System Protocol, Version 11, but I wouldn't let that
bother you - after all, nobody else is either; no piece of software as
big as an X server is entirely bug-free :-)

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Is there any way to re-direct audio output from host A to host B?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:37:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: 6 Oct 92 03:53:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct6.035351.12141@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <92Sep30.204209.17517@acs.ucalgary.ca>, sze@enel.ucalgary.ca (Peter Sze) writes:

> Is there anyway of running x_soundtool in host A and ask it to
> redirect its output to host B.

> I would be able to change the DISPLAY to control the x_soundtool on
> my host but it didn't change the audio output to my host.

What you need here is a networked sound protocol, analogous to X, which
is a network window system protocol.

I believe there are also attempts to turn X into a workstation control
protocol instead of a window system protocol, which could also do what
you're after.

In both cases, I believe such things exist but don't know anything more
about them....

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: henrich@crs.cl.msu.edu (Chuck Henrich)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Programming in X
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:48:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Michigan State University

Date: 27 Sep 92 20:15:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep27.201551.13535@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I am about to begin a project that requires heavy usage of Xwindows, and I
currently know nothing of how to program in it.  I have the Xlib progrmming 
manual, but would like something that covers the Xt toolkit as well.  Any 
suggestions?  I need a book that will cover all aspects of X from simplistic
stuff, to the most complex..  All help is appreciated.

-Crh
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From: lra00@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Larry R. Ader)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Using NumLock on Sun type 4 keyboards
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:05:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

Date: 30 Sep 92 19:38:30 GMT
Message-Id: <41Rr02rh24cr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.openlook


Hopefully this is a FAQ that someone already has the answer to...

I have a Sun ELC that I often use with NON-Openwindows window managers
(e.g. mwm, twm, etc.).  The keyboard I have is a type 4 Sun keyboard.
When I use OpenWindows, the NumLock key works properly -- that is, the
numlock LED lights up and the "keypad" keys now work as numbers when I
press them (while using a "cmdtool" application).

My question is:  How can I get the same "NumLock" behavior using mwm
(for example) and xterm applications??


Thanks for your help,

Larry Ader


P.S.: (slightly) related topic:  is there some way that I can access the
      LEDs on the keyboard in the way I do with Xterminals
      (i.e. "xset led 3") ?

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From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Moving the tvtwm window by the keyboard
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:32:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Intel Corporation

Date: 29 Sep 92 16:53:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.165334.4197@ichips.intel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


In article <peter.717776052@merlin>, peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele) writes:
> I'd like to set up some keys under my tvtwm environment that
> will move the viewport to certain areas on the virtual screen.
> For example, I'd like <F1> to move the viewport to the upper
> left corner of the virtual desktop. Can this sort of thing
> be done or do I have to be satisfied with dragging the
> window with the mouse?
> --
> Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager            peter.steele@acadiau.ca 
> Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364

  In .tvtwmrc (described under "f.scroll" in the man page):

    "F1" =  : all : f.scroll "+0+0"

  You can also do relative scrolls:

    "Up"    = s|c    : all   : f.scrollup
    "Down"  = s|c    : all   : f.scrolldown
    "Left"  = s|c    : all   : f.scrollleft
    "Right" = s|c    : all   : f.scrollright

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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From: garza@mitchell.hac.com (Carlos Garza)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Annotation of Image Display (need source code)
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:07:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company

Date: 30 Sep 92 21:21:28 GMT
Message-Id: <23493@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.graphics.avs,comp.graphics.animation


Does anyone know of any X windows drawing or annotation packages that allow
a parasite program to monitor the draw commands?  I preferably need
something that stores the movements in CGM (Computer Graphics Metafile from
the NITFS standards) format.  The drawing, or annotations will be done on
an image so ideally there is an image visualization tool that has this
capability.   I am open to any public domain and commercial products.  We are 
using X11R4 and Motif 1.1.

Also, does anyone know of any X Windows tools which allow a 
window to be displayed on two workstations simultaneously with control from
both workstations?

You can send answers directly to my email address.  If there is sufficient
interest, I can post a summary of the responses.  Thanks...

This was posted with the wrong subject on some of the comp... new groups.  Sorry
for the duplication.
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From: bjoerns@stud.cs.uit.no (Bjoern Stabell)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X based finger??
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:08:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

Date: 28 Sep 92 23:02:14 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep28.230214.23456@news.uit.no>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep28.172623.29462@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
] I am looking for an X based finger that would come up with not only finger
] information but a picture of the fingered person. 
] 
] Does such an animal exist?

GNU Finger does.  Unfortunately it only supports bitmap files (i.e. 1
bitplane).  We've modified GNU Finger so that it transmits the mug file as
it is (a small header is still present), it is up to the finger client
program to display the picture / animation / whatever.  Currently, we're
storing the pictures in JPEG format (guess why? :) and using xv as a
viewer.  (But this scheme is not compatible with the ordinary GNU Finger)



Cheers,
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                                                  bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.no
From: jimj@miller.cs.uwm.edu (James Jegers)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X-window bar chart software?
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:08:09 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:02:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1acfhlINNkpl@uwm.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <19221@smoke.brl.mil>, yih@tbd2.brl.mil (Yolin I. Huang ) writes:
|> 
|> there is a need to plot bar charts on X-window environment.  I checked
|> Xfig, Gnuplot, Tgif; it seems that these packages don't do bar charts that
|> easily (as, for instance, in DOS Lotus 1-2-3).  I am wondering, if there
|> are available packages to do bar charts? ftp sites?
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Yolin Huang
|> yih@brl.mil, Maryland.

 Here are UW-Milwaukee we have written a X based Spreadsheet
that does graphing.. pie charts, bar charts.. etc..

From what i've seen it can do some amazing things..

where:  ftp vernam.cs.uwm.edu    dir (soft-eng/xspread1.?.tar.Z)

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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problems using translations : (
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:42:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 29 Sep 92 18:54:08 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.185408.654@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x


	Hi there !


	I'm trying to receive events while keeping the shift+left button
down. I want to continue receiving those events while I'm moving the
mouse around (with the shift+left button still down ...).

	So far I've tried using :

	Shift<Btn1Down>,<Btn1Motion> -> I get the first event but nothing
after ....

	Shift<Btn1Motion> doesn't seem to work -> I get a code dumped
in BindActions :(


Is there a way to do it ?
Or what I'm doing wrong ?
Did I miss something ?

Any hints are welcome :)

Thanx in advance !!	
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			Sacred Heart Hospital research center

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From: bobo@thejester.cray.com (Bob Kierski)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XMailTool v2.0 problems
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:31:07 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Date: 25 Sep 92 22:38:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.173813.25713@hemlock.cray.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps


Unfortunately there are a fair number of bugs in the v2.0 version
of XMailTool.  Therefore I will be putting a new version (2.0.1)
on MIT on Monday... After I've resolved (most of) the problems.

Until then... here are a few work arounds:

in XMailTool-color.ad and XMailTool.ad
	for every occurance of <Btn1Up> that doesn't have a
	modifier before it, change it to "None<Btn1Up>"
if you have an IBM type machine, in vars.c
	change every line that reads #ifdef sgi to
	#ifdef TAB_DELIMITED

Sorry for the problems!!!

Have a day,

  @   @
   ( )     bobo
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From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Multiple $DISPLAYS for same program
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:23:09 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Minnesota

Date: 25 Sep 92 22:03:22 GMT
Message-Id: <bill.717458602@chaos.cs.umn.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <15095@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:



>Howdy ladies and gentlemen!

>	I was wondering if anyone out here in net land knows of
>a way I can set up multiple DISPLAYs for an X session?  I know
>that vanilla X cannot do this . . .but would someone happen to
>know of an application that would work?

>	I'd like to be able to sit at my 'master' terminal, open
>up the application, and have each user at his/her 'slave' terminal
>see what I'm doing.

>	Another issue that I'd be interested in is the locking
>of the 'slave' terminal keyboards so that my application is in
>a sort of 'read only' mode for the users.

xwatchwin should do the trick.

bill pociengel
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From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Per Display Information
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:19:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9209292209.AA13095@excess.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:09:11 EDT


> Error: couldn't find per display information

Look in the Xt library, in the source for Display.c.

> I don't have sources here, otherwise
> I'd try to have a look myself :-).

Sigh.  They're publically available, on export.lcs.mit.edu.  But if you
are running an R4-based vendor's Xt library, the source is not as easily
available.  I'm not free to do the detective work for you, apologies.
Somehow the per-display data structure within Xt has gotten mucked up.
Things simply won't work without this data structure.  You could try
setting a breakpoint, if you can, at XtErrorMsg, and work backward from
there.

> It only happens on SPARC 2 executables that have been purified.

So can you unpurify them?  How about writing to support people at Purify?


Donna Converse
MIT X Consortium
From: me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Emu anyone?
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:06:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH

Date: 30 Sep 92 17:55:10 GMT
Message-Id: <me.717875710@dude>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <1992Sep30.094502.21213@odin.corp.sgi.com> news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes:

>Are the Emu developers out there anywhere? I am looking for
>versions of emu later than that available on export.lcs.mit.edu
>(October 91). Was the development continued? Email to the suggested
>address bounces (emu@pcsbst.pcs.de or emu@pcsbst.pcs.com - pcsbst.pcs.com
>no longer seems to be around)

At least the emu@pcsbst.pcs.com still should work. I've responded
to a couple of mailings to that address the last month, even one
that went through sgi.com. If yo would be so kind to try again,
and if the mail still bounces mail me directly so we can try
to sort this out.

Yes the developers are still out there. I'm the only one left
at PCS, but both Jordan and Tom are still alive.

We couldn't afford to do much more work, since the initial
project has been cancelled and we have to do it in our own
time. Emu should work reasonably well, however, as is. I'm
using it right now to read this newsgroup.

I have a couple of patches that 
	a) make it emulate the vt220 even better 
	   (thanks to Steve Crooks @ ingr.com) 
	b) Make it run better on BSD derived systems

I hope to put a new version on export sometimes in the near
future (sounds like marketing? right :-) if Jordan can make
himself finish the documentation.

If someone pays me I even am willing to implement double
width / double height text ;-)

Michael

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From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Need source for 24-bit color frame buffer
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:35:03 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.

Date: 2 Oct 92 07:10:28 GMT
Message-Id: <hue.718009828@coney>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

>Does anyone out there know if I can get my hands on some sample
>code for a 24-bit color frame buffer for an X server?  We're
>writing a server where I work & have a working 8-bit version,
>but we (I'm not the one actually writing it) don't know how to
>do the 24-bit cfb stuff.  According to the programmer, there's
>no such code in the standard X11R5 distribution.

In the contrib section there is code for a 24-bit server from Tektronix.
I can't recall exactly, but there is definitely code for the Sun cg8 and
RasterOps TC board, and possibly the cg9.  I think there might be some code
for a DEC 24-bit frame buffer also.

IMHO, this code builds a way better 24-bit server than the XSun24 patches
I've seen.


-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
From: shmdgljd@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jay Schmidgall)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Color string to nearest match converter?
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:24:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: IBM Rochester, MN

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 12:09:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.120913.21206@rchland.ibm.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

XLookupColor() ?

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From: jf1@forth.stirling.ac.uk (Mr Jonathon Fletcher)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XServer and Xt Timeouts
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:11:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.ac.stirling; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:59:41 +0100
Message-Id: <9210051401.AA23154@forth.stirling.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:01:20 BST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3]


A problem - I am having some difficulty with a piece of code that make use of 
the Xt Timout calls (XtAddTimeOut). The code compiles fine, links fine, and
appears to execute fine, but the timeouts are just not called. I am using
an HP 700/RX xterm, with (what I think is) a release 4 server, Motif 1.1,
and release 8.05 of HP-UX, and release 4 libraries. I have moved the code
across to a different machine, runing release 7 of HP-UX, Motif 1.0, 
and a release 3 server (release 4 libraries), where it compiles and
executes correctly (ie the timeouts are called) without any problems. Can
anyone offer me suggestions as to what is going wrong ? Please email to
me and I will summarise to the net.

Thanks in advance,

	-Jon


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From: ams90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (SHEHAB AM)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: folding X-windows editor?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:31:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 27 Sep 92 13:26:50 GMT
Message-Id: <12927@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,


Is there a beast like aXe but has folding text capabilities?  
There are terminal based ones like origami and folding uEmacs. Any
help will be approciated.


ams...