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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 0-16 Patriots ???!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:07:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I'd like to know whether people think it is likely that the
Pats will go 0-16 this year?

Until last week, I didn't believe so.
(And I didn't change my mind due to how they played, but due
 to the injury situation).

IMHO the PAts have been playing better as of late, but the
injury situation has gotten out of hand!

List of the injured:

Hart Lee Dykes : out for season (WR)
Bruce Armstrong : out for season (OT)
Irving Fryar : Hamstring problem (probable for this week) (WR)
Chris Singleton : ???
Ray Agnew : ???
Andre Tippett : ??? (OL)
Hugh Millen : banged up bad, out indefinitely (QB)
Dick MacPherson : Stomach problems, out indefinitely (HEAD COACH)

I'm probably missing a few.

and yes, they lost Garin Veris to Free Agency.

When things like this happen during a season, you've got to
feel like forfeiting the season, just to get healthy for next year!

AS it is, 0-16 looks very likely to me.
anyone else care to make a prediction?

- disheartened Pat's fan

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From: djp@peewee.enet.dec.com (dave parker)
Subject: Re: ?? Giants/Packers 4th Quarter
Reply-To: djp@peewee.enet.dec.com (dave parker)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:24:50 GMT

In article <ADRIENE.109.0@CISPO1.CIS.YALE.EDU>, ADRIENE@CISPO1.CIS.YALE.EDU (ALN - GO GIANTS) writes:
|> 
|> Can someone post the 4th quarter info of the game.  I was out of town and 
|> taped it, but only got up to and icluding the 3rd quarter, just after the LT 
|> injury, I forgot to set the tape speed :-(
|> 
|> Last score I saw was 13-7.  The Giants played like shit, I'm suprised they 
|> won, actually its more like the Packers beat themselves.
|> So how/who scored.  I can only guess it was hampton running one in.  And 
|> what the hell was wrong with the packers.  Hampton  was all over the press, 
|> and they barely covered him...  
|>
Reyna Thompson intercepted a Favre pass and returned it 69 yards for a TD.  
Rodney Hampton scored on a 2-yd run late in the game for the final score.  The
Giants were content to let the clock run out when they were on the 2-yd line
but the Packers played a bit too aggressively the first time they tried.  Hoss,
on his own, decided to stick it to the Pack for being that way and called the
Hampton running play.
 
|> Then again I'm glad they played like shit, becuase they should be on target 
|> for the Denver game.  Hot-Cold-Hot-Cold
|> 
I hope you are right.

|> Too bad LT is out, I watched the injury about 10 times and could barely see 
|> how he did it.  Looked like a slight twist while he was cutting around a 
|> packer defender.    
|> 
Actually, the injury was really obvious to see.  After LT deflected the pass, he
was trying to reverse directions.  He was up on the ball of his right foot while
leaning forward and *pop* - he was then on his heel as well!!  The body isn't
meant to do that!!

|> I sure hope the Falcons kick the 9ers ass tonight.  I have 
|> some nice bets on the line...

Nice for the other guy, maybe!  ;-)

Dave
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From: gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin)
Subject: Re: Bengals release Brennan
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.134204.7224@meaddata.com>, daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond) writes:
> The Cincinnati Bengals release wide receiver Brian Brennan to make room
> on the roster for wide receiver Reggie Rembert.  I was surprised by this.
> I thought they would release Jeff Query, who hasn't contributed much
> to the offense.  I think age was the factor, with Brennan being the oldest
> of the Bengals receivers.
> 
The oldest, the smallest, and the slowest!
The sad part is that he is a very capable receiver.  And usually very
dependable.  I'd love to see the Browns pick him back up but I don't 
think that will ever happen.  He's made so many big plays in his career
it just doesn't seem right!
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:05:11 GMT
Organization: UB

How are cities chosen for Super Bowl sites? Also, has there ever been a
Super Bowl in a city where that city's team is playing?
From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lawrence Taylor
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.10NOV199200172645
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Here's something for you to think about.

Lawrence Taylor became my favorite player in the NFL when he knocked
Joe Theisman out of football.

Then Lawrence Taylor became my least favorite player in the NFL when
Joe Theisman got a job as a commentator for ESPN because LT knocked
him out of football!  

:-)

In any case, I'll miss seeing him in there the rest of the year, except
when the Giants play the Cowboys next time.  I hope he'll rehab hard, and
re-focus on his love for the game, and come back for one more year.
Good luck, LT !

___________________________________________________________________________
Tracy Persky           Texas A&M University           tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu

John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."  (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 08:50:34 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lawrence Taylor

Hi all,

just heard on the radio that LT has damaged his right(?) achilles
tendon. To me that sounds like it was his last game ever.

As a Cowboys fan and a bit of a Redskins fan, I do not like the
Giants at all, and this goes for LT as well.
But let me be (one of) the first to say that this is really a sad
way to end your career. And I have a feeling that there will be
some posts saying that this is only right because he ended Theismann's (sp?)
career. But that is not true! That was an accident and LT was the first
to call for a stretcher when it happened. Theismann agreed, and I think
the whole net agreed on this a year or so ago.

Anyway, that's what I wanted to say. Thank you for listening.

Rene Zandbergen
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From: hammond@stimpy.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516))
Subject: Re: How Do you figure (Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:06:55 GMT

I wish some Bills fans would not woof so loudly all the time.  Most of us
know that the Bills are a competent team, but by no means are a sure bet
to win the division. 

  Give the Dolphins some credit.  They have built a darned good team.  They
have done it through the draft, trades (Smith for Humphrey), and free 
agency.  The Bills, on the other hand, have chosen to basically stand pat.
The only help that they have acquired in the past few years has been through
the draft (Henry Jones, Phil Hansen) and their #1 pick from only a few 
years ago was a huge mistake (J.D. Williams).  It only stands to reason, 
then, that the Dolphins will catch the Bills.

  Anyway, GO BILLS, but let's be a bit more realistic (and less obnoxious)
regarding our posts.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:49:30 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov5.095340.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <Bx7vF4.BFK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>> Could someone please email me The Bet and The Bet II, or post them. I would
>> like to know what this is all about.
>
>    Someone (I don't know exactly who) suggested that the Bills/Dolphins
>fans should make a bet that the loser of the division would not post until
>after the Super Bowl. This was THE BET I. Then someone (I don't know exactly
>who) suggested that we make the same bet on the rematch between the two teams:
>If your team looses the rematch you can't post until after the SB, THE BET II.
>
>                            -doug THE dolfan-


Well, in that case, here's one more Bills fan accepting both of the bets.
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From: gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin)
Subject: Re: Eagles #1 Quarterback
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: bl
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:33:00 GMT
Keywords: Jimmy Mac or Randall?

In article <Nov.9.15.29.45.1992.13475@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, bstuart@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ben Stuart) writes:

> And for the non-Eagle fans, who deserves the job?
> 

I say Cunningham.  He is able to do more than Mac.  Although, you really
don't lose much there either.  However, I think to keep the team in unity
one man must be the starter and one must be the backup.  

Don
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Why was 1984 such an amazing year?
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:14:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Nov13.071407.10610
Distribution: na
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

I was looking thru my almanac the other day, and I noticed that 
1984 must have been a good year for vitamins, cause nearly every
major NFL record was broken that year.  

I wonder why I didn't notice at the time.  Take a look at these:
single-season records for receptions, rushing yards, passing yards,
and passing touchdowns were set.  And some other guys like Roy Green
and Neil Lomax made it into the record books with astounding years.
Why was this such a freakishly productive year?  Anybody remember?
 

===========================================================================
			SINGLE-SEASON RECEPTION LEADERS
            Player           Team       year   rec.   yards   avg
      ------------------ ------------- ------ ------ ------- -----
 1    Art Monk           Washington     1984    106    1372  12.9

===========================================================================
                        SINGLE-SEASON RUSHING LEADERS
            Player           Team      year  att.  yards   avg
      ------------------ ------------ ------ ----- ------ -----
 1    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1984   379   2105   5.6

===========================================================================
			SINGLE-SEASON PASSING LEADERS
         Player        Team      year  att.  comp.  pct.  yards
      ------------- ----------- ------ ----- ----- ------ ------
 1    Dan Marino    Miami        1984   564   362   64.2%  5084
 6    Neil Lomax    St. Louis    1984   560   345   61.6%  4614

===========================================================================
                        SINGLE-SEASON PASSING TD'S
            Player           Team       year   td's
      ------------------ ------------- ------ ------
 1    Dan Marino         Miami          1984     48

===========================================================================
			SINGLE-SEASON RECEIVING TD'S
            Player           Team       year   td's
      ------------------ ------------- ------ ------
 2    Mark Clayton       Miami          1984     18  (but this was #1 in 84)

===========================================================================
                        SINGLE-SEASON RECEIVING YARDS LEADERS
            Player           Team       year    yards
      ------------------ ------------- ------  -------
 4    Roy Green          St. Louis      1984     1555


Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: What's wrong with the Buccaneers?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:40:59 GMT

Everything tends to appear grey when one is looking up from the abyss
of 7 - 35 loss and the back end of a 5 game slide, but I'll try to be
objective.  This posting is intended to generate some sober, insignt-
ful feedback on this topic.

I tend to rank the units on a football team in order of importance as
follows:  Defense, Special Teams, and Offense.  So,  I will deal with
the problems, as I see them, in that order.

Defense
-------

The Bucs have been burned repeatedly this year with the bomb, and the
pass rush that was clicking during  the first four weeks has not pro-
duced (as well) during the slide.  Both of these problems, of course,
tend to feed off of each other.   The loss of Tony Covington has been
very hard to absorb, but the non-productivity of the offense could be
the greatest problem here.

Special Teams
-------------

Kickoffs.  Mediocre.  Kickoff Coverage.  Horrible!!  Punting.  Solid.
Punt Coverage.  Good.  Field Goal Kicking.  Fine.  The Steve Christie
debacle was the turning point for this unit.  The biggest difference,
though, between this unit in September and during the slide,  is that
they were being innovative and running fakes and the like before.

Offense
-------

This unit has disappeared during the slide.   Their deficiencies were
somewhat hidden early on by the production of the defense and ability
of the special teams  to gamble  and give them field position and mo-
mentum.  The obvious problem, of late, has been the decimation of the
receiving corp by injury. Both Lawrence Dawsey, who is the best skill
position player on this team, and Mark Carrier have been hurt for the
past three weeks. But, the core problem, to me, has been the absolute
non-production of Gary Anderson.   Reggie Cobb and the offensive line
have done their jobs, but Gary isn't getting his yards anymore.  He's
at the end of the line.  People in the media, on the net, and  (you'd
better believe it) here, in Tampa, love to blame Vinny for everything 
up to, and including, world hunger, but unless the boy can lose you a
game from the sidelines, these last two losses aren't his fault.
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: JGH computer rankings
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:38:35 GMT



In article <1992Nov11.172402.13884@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txa4331@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal) writes:
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: txa4331@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal)
Subject: Re: JGH computer rankings

In article <1992Nov11.164053.15434@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>Week 11: No change in top 7.  (Steeler fans are not going to be 
>happy.)
>                            Last
>Rank   Team         Rating  Week
> 1     Cowboys        90     1
> 2     Eagles         84     2
> 3     Saints         82     3
> 4     Vikings        80     4
> 5     49ers          79     5
> 6     Redskins       72     6
> 7     Bills          70     7

BILLS AT # 7 ????????????????? You must be a nut-case, or rather you 
and your computer. Bills are nothing less than a number 1 team. As 
Thurminator said, after losing 2 Super Bowls they are gonna win 2 in
a row.
For now I feel Dolphins are in real trouble this Monday night.



I personally hope that the Bills are in the next couple of Super Bowls.

That way the NFC team will have an over-rated AFC team to beat up on and 

the Bills can break the record for most Super Bowl losses!!




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From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:19:22 GMT
Distribution: bl
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin) writes:
: In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
: > 
: > Hi,
: > 
: > New thread. Cool!
: > 
: > 
: > BEST:

  Denver gets Elway from Indy in 1983 for Mark Herrmann, Chris Hinton, and 
  some draft picks.  

: > 
: > 
: > WORST:

  Any trade involving Herschel Walker or Eric Dickerson. 

: > 
: Browns fans are not likely to forget the Paul Warfield trade ... nor the 
: equally brilliant Ernest Byner give-away!
: 

--Pranav 
  (GO BRONCOS!)

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:29:38 GMT

drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>The "Stanford Farm" is *not* a city. The networks said that the game took 
>place in "Stanford, California". The same implication was made by the orginal
>poster. Read my last sentence again. If this still confuses you, try asking
>someone in the Political Science department to define a city for you under 
>state law.

Dougie, Dougie, Dougie.  Why do you insist on arguing about nonsense
like this?  Are you trying to make yourself look even more silly,
after putting your foot in your mouth with USC and the Rose Bowl?

No, Dougie, Stanford is not a city.  But neither is it incorporated as
part of Palo Alto.  It's a seperate "community".  I'm sorry that I
don't have the vast Political Science education that you possess, but
I know that when I lived on campus I was *not* a Palo Alto resident,
and my mail did *not* go to Palo Alto, CA.  And you know what,
Dougie-Boy?  It wasn't just me.  It's true for everything at Stanford.

And so, Dougie my child, Stanford Stadium is in Stanford, CA.
You can look it up in a book published by your employer, Pacific Bell.
It's a very nice book called The White Pages.  I think you should
read it carefully.  It has lots of pictures.



--Gidi
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana throwing again
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:13:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-22.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1dbi2dINNhvp@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu  
(Sullivan) writes:
> Don't want to make a huge thing, but Joe Montana threw 75 passes
> yesterday to John Taylor and Wesley Walls.  Reports are that Montana
> would like to play a game this year to be able to assess his future.
> I predict another setback, as due to the type of injury he has, and
> his tendency to push things, he will likely suffer more soreness.
> 
> Many pundits in the Bay Area, including Ira Miller from Chron and
> Examiners' Frank Cooney are claiming Joe is through, yet had said
> early this summer that Joe had great zip on the ball, he was
> absolutely the best in camp before his soreness returned.
> 
> The Niners have a couple games against some very aggressive defenses
> in the Saints and Philly coming up.  Young has a good chance of
> getting hurt, (sheesh, every QB has a good chance of getting hurt)
> and it would be great to have Montana in the wings.

Holy cow!  Just think of it, the best (In the opions of many) quarterback in  
history as a backup!
It's almost like Jordan comming off the bench!

---------------
Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:15:52 GMT

Neal.
-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Emmitt passes Herschel
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:10:59 GMT

In article <2797@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>An interesting tidbit for Cowboy fans -- not only did Emmitt play much
>better than Herschel in last Sunday's game, he gained enough yardage to
>pass Herschel on the Cowboy's all-time rushing list.  Herschel had 3,388
>yards with the Cowboys, and Emmitt now has 3,396.  I think that puts him
>about fourth or fifth on the list, but I'm not absolutely certain.

I was wondering if you could provide the time frame on this. How many games for
each?

>
>Daniel Welch
>----
>Two men say they're Jesus -- one of 'em must be wrong!


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 23:45:59 -0500 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher

Am I the only one who notices that there are two runnings
backs in the NFL this year who are on a pace to be
around 2000 yards at the end of the season?
Barry Foster is also pretty close to the 1000 mark only
half way through the season. (He needs 135 yards to pass
1k, so watch for it Sunday)  Although, it would seem that
Emmitt is more likely to reach, you can't count out Foster
who has a deceiving around the corner speed and can also
bull his way through tackles for those extra couple of yards.
Plus, his team relies on him to be the major factor of their
offense.  The Steelers claim to have a ball control offense,
which means giving the ball to foster 20-30 times a game.

Two 2000 yard rushers in one season? I doubt it.
One 2000 yard rusher this season? I doubt that, too.

But I guess anything is possible......
(Except that the Patriots will make it to the playoffs)



Chris