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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: let commodore speak
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:48:33 GMT

abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>[...]  I understand why Mr. Robinson would write such an article.  
>Nevertheless, he could have toned down a little.  He could have said 
>the Amiga is dying slowly.  If Commodore doesn't act quick enough,
>the Amiga will die off in a couple of years.  
>[...]
>The fact is: the Amiga isn't dead *yet*  Therefore, I don't think Mr.
>Robinson's comment is correct.

Then the Atari ST isn't dead yet, either... just "dying slowly."  But in the
computer world, "dying" is the same as "dead" to most people considering
a computer purchase and future investment in time, peripherals, software.

Considering how long it's taken Commodore to make a true Amiga upgrade,
they have no reason to complain yet that they're being given a bum rap.
It's like drinking for seven years and then complaining that an article
saying you're a drunk is unfair because you'd planned to quit next month :)

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:01:11 GMT

In article <1100@se.alcbel.be> magu@se.alcbel.be writes:
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>Reading about the "dying Amiga" and not being able to do anything about it
>except shout at Commodore is depressing.  But maybe there's something else
>we can do ...
>
>One of the reason for the PCs dominance was the proliferation of its 
>compatibles. Why can't the Amiga have a compatible?  Who says it can't,
>Commodore?  I'm sure most of you will agree that Amiga is not just Commodore.

   Commodore controls the sources to the OS.  Commodore controls the layouts
and internal specs for thecustom chips.  Without both of these, no Amiga
clones are possible.

>  // Mike Aguilar                          Phone: (32) 3 240 4289
>\//  email : magu@se.alcbel.be             BELL ext. 4289

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PeeCees?!? AAAAAAAAAAAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:55:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson) writes:
>                                                                              
>Mac ads say that a 16MHz 68030 is the same speed as 20MHz 80386SX? SX? The    
>16 bit kludge?? You've *got* to be kidding. Anyway, like the man says you can 

A 16Mhz 68030 on a Mac?  I would believe it... :)
anyone got a chance to play with a LCII?

>get the adspeed for $150. Add that to the $100 and you have $250 for a 16MHz  
>68000 machine which includes color graphics, serial port, and parallel port.  
> 
>btw, the motheboard price came from an ad in AmigaWhirled from the Grapevine
>Group.

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>INET: hawk@pnet01.cts.com

(just a joke, take it easy folks)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mac9167@tamsun.tamu.edu (Surfman)
Subject: Amiga on PrimeTime OH Sh*t...
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:18:19 GMT

Well everyone wanted to see the Amiga get a little national exposure, and
last night on PrimeTime (ABC) they did a spot on the Natzi groups in
Germany.  It was intresting to see the part where they showed the computer
games played by the little Natzi twerps.  The object of the games was to 
kill Jews.  The machine that was clearly displayed.... An Amiga 500
with a 1084S Monitor.

On the up-side,  most people probably didn't notice the machine that the 
games were running on.  They were probably keying in on the game itself.
The whole thing just made me cringe alittle.

Well now we can say that the Amiga was viewed by millions of people.  All
we have to do now is adjust the way it is presented. :)

 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: BLAZEMONGER '93 
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:29:21 GMT

In article <50951@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.031403.15883@regina.cs.uregina.ca> gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>>So when is BLAZEMONGER III coming out?
>
>	BLAZEMONGER III???  That ancient thing?  It came out over a year
>ago.  To quote from late 1990:

Well maybe if you'd post the spoilers for BLAZEMONGER I could finish the damn
game and get some corrective surgery to get on with my life.

>
>:Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>:Subject: New BM (was Re: WHERE THE HELL ARETHE 2.0 ROMS FOR THE 2000 AND 500? Mars???)
>:
>:	BLAZEMONGER III will be ready Real Soon Now.  It features more
>:graphics, more speed, more sound, more speed, and more SPEED than ever
>:before.  And did I mention MORE SPEED?  The game is SO FAST that we
>:weren't even able to *write* "BLAZEMONGER II" -- it leaped off the disk
>:and into the upper atmosphere before we could catch it!!
>
>	Start saving up your pennies for BLAZEMONGER '93, which will come
>out early next year.  It will touch-screen compatibility so you can actually
>(ugh) TOUCH those slimy creatures on the screen.  And, of course, they can
>touch YOU....

Hmmm.  Gives new meaning to the phrase "Reach out and touch someone".
So when is the new SuPPER (Sureal Psychadelic Pseudo Exagerated Reality)
game play mode going to be available?  This VR stuff gets old real fast.

>
>>I booted up BLAZEMONGER yesterday expecting the usual GAME OVER screen but
>>instead the computer shut itself off.  Whats wrong?
>
>	The problem is that yesterday you posted an article disagreeing with
>my criticism of the Apple PowerBook.  Our "Customer Service" department got
>pissed off and axed your warrantee.

PowerBook?  HA!  Hear me now and believe me later, Apples are for worms. 
You want big things in a little package, check out the SparcBook,
8M expandable to 32, 25 mhz SPARC cpu, 200 Meg HD (Solaris, OpenView/Desktop).
Par, Ser, and Ethernet (thin net or UTP) built in.  But I can't seem
to get BLAZEMONGER to work on it (which isn't so bad because at least
I have one computer not dedicated to playing BLAZEMONGER).  What am I doing
wrong?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Subject: Re: Well, Jerry Pournell says that there is a new amiga
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:31:24 GMT

What a lot of people have seemingly overlooked when they express hope that
the new Amiga is not just a rerun the A4000 Usenet rumor is...

Jerry said in his column that a new Amiga had arrived at his place and
he'd be commenting on it next month (presumably after he'd had a chance
to play with it).    What worries me is that Commodore has never sent
him a model before prior to general release, so I am hoping it is not
just the A600. 

			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:33:58 GMT

In <1992Jul30.134546.22712@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>You may be right that there is nothing special about a bare-bones Mac or PC
>when compared to an A3000.  But consider the special things that can be
>added to the Mac or PC that are either not available or are too expensive
>for the A3000.  As nice as the A3000 may be, its potential has been wasted
>due to C='s neglect.  

All the exciting things I know for PC or Mac are too expensive but don't
exist for the Amiga at all. But more important, these things aren't available
from any clone maker nor from Apple.

Regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Skip makes the front page...
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 25 Jul 92 10:14:43 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <Brwr8x.FEq@news.udel.edu> by don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd):

>      It seems to me that several people predicted just such an occurence....

    So it must be those "several people" who are spreading it about!

> Don Lloyd                / "...my brain IBM; so if you see me acting strangely,\
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:29:15 GMT

cuadrasola@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>One of the things that I (and many other people) dislike of Commodore is that
>they never release any news on the kind of products they are working on and
>plan to release in the near future.

This would not be so bad if they had a better record for "state-of-the-art"
releases or even competetive releases.  In the past the waiting would be
bearable if the result had been such things as RTG or just a 8/15/24-bit
chip set, maybe 12/16-bit audio with more channels, and perhaps affordable
030/040 systems.  Commodore has not shown that their secret products are
worth the wait.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Amiga Clones
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:49:30 GMT

Clearly, there are two areas which we have all identified as being
inadequately supplied by CBM itself...

the super high end...

and the midrange (i.e. $800-$1500 '030 hard disk machine)

Thom
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:32:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <33215@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1992Jul22.025609.11779@news.iastate.edu>

The world-wide base of NeXT's compared with the Amiga?

Well, as Mr. Wizard would put it:
"If the total user base of the NeXT were the size of a tennis ball,
the Amiga's user base would be the size of Cleveland"
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: 600HD available in the U.S.?  Where?  For $500?
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:40:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.


My hacker friend and another guy told me that the 600 is in the stores
and available... in the U.S.  Where?  Who has them?  I think he said 
Creative, but they're not advertising them?

BTW, 1 full page in Amiga world, in color, costs $4000.

Thom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.214155.24429@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Mike, if you think that an Amiga with an accelerator and a 24-bit TIGA
>board can even begin to approach the performance of an Indigo Elan, you
>are badly disillusioned.  On the other hand, that Elan graphics board alone
>costs something like $16K.
>
>>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)

>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

	I agree with both of you. The Amiga does achieve the performance from
the specs I have seen (within 10% on raw data), but of course would lack
the specialized software. Which in fact may be even more felxible if
programmed on an Amiga...that is dependant on my next question of course.

	What does an Indigo have in it hardware wise? What kind of expansion
slots does it have? What OS does it run (UNIX?)?

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cut the politics!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 25 Jul 92 10:33:13 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul25.123804.12495@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
> How about reducing the amount of political crap that gets posted in this
> group? First, this isn't the place for it. Second, it's just not
> interesting to someone outside the US.

Tell that to the 4 or 5 people outside the US who are helping to
perpetuate the thread :)

> --
>
> Adam Eberbach      t9114145@phillip.edu.au          fnord
> Computer Science student, Phillip Institute of Technology.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: FOR PETE'S SAKE CBM!Re: Upgrade Amiga OR buy 486??
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.180741.11274@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dudley@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (John Dudley) writes:

>2.0 on April 24, 1990.  What since then? (wow. a 386SX bridgeboard that
>costs more than a standalone
>386SX with HD, RAM, Monitor, etc.)
>

386SX bridgeboard costs only $700 in University of Toronto. However,
386SX + HD + RAM + Monitor costs about $999. (All in Canadian dollars)
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why the Amiga is better than the Falcon
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:56:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: peter@blade's message of 22 Jul 92 13:23:20 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 22 Jul 92 13:23:20 GMT, peter@blade (Peter Korsten) said:

> So what if it IS an Amiga basher? The Amiga's installed base is quite a bit
> larger than the Atari's, so if anyone is going to be bashed it's the ST.

Hmmm, seems I heard this same argument from PC people with respect to the
Amiga in '86-'87.  Were they right?

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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC World's John C. Dvorak Speaks Out...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:31:53 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Mon 27 Jul 92 23:42, Jprad@faatcrl.uucp (jack Radigan)
wrote:

 JR> From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^  --- OH MY GOD!

No! It's not REALLY Jack Radigan.. he wouldn't dare show his message
considering the slew of messages he may get about a new version of JRComm.
No.. it just CAN'T BE!!!!!! ;)

>Pournelle will be brutally honest...

>But, I wish I had his money!  Whee... a network inside the house... whee,
>wait, hmm... that TT looks interesting... I think I'll buy it... hmm...
>maybe mention it in passing in my column.  Whee, I can have one of
everything
>I want.

 JR>   You're kidding yourself if you think that Jerry has bought much, if
 JR> any, of
 JR> the hardware and software in his upstairs cavern. 


Pournelle...

Please.

  I have to put up with this guy on GEnie. He's sick. All these other
authors have their own categories inside of RoundTables.. Mr. Pournelle has
to have a WHOLE blasted RT to himself.. then he puts things in it that he
likes and names it after himself.. with little participation.

  Can I go throw up now? Thank you.

  I swear if Pournelle and Limbaugh were the opposite sex.. oh I shouldn't
say that.

Mike.. 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

UUCP.. yeah? So what?
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Whiners
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:05:34 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu 30 Jul 92 10:36, Ata@hfsi.uucp (john Ata Fso) wrote:

 AAF> lower figure than it is currently doing.  No one wins.  There are
 AAF> certainly more intelligent ways of making your views known besides
 AAF> the poorly though out knee jerk reactions that seem to be pouring
 AAF> out in this conference.
 AAF> Please enhance your thought processes to a more mature state.

Oh gee... I'm so sorry. Please send me your instructions on how to act like
you. Apparently your method of communicating is better than mine.. at least
that's what you are telling me.

Since your way of communicating is so good.. would you please give some
classes on how to communicate like please? Please.. I am on knee here!

There's only one thing I have to say to people that think THEIR way of
communicating the best and go out of their way to tell people it is..

Bite me! It's FUN!

 AAF> What do you really think this will accomplish?  Do you really expect
 AAF> Mr. 
 AAF> Robinson to write another editorial saying how great the Amiga
 AAF> community is
 AAF> in recognizing the "truth" that CBM is the root of all the Amigas
 AAF> problems?
 AAF> Show how this helps the Amiga on iota.

  No.. the way I see it as that Commodore wants to show Mr. Robinson that
the Amiga is fine and he was wrong. Well, judging from the way I feel as
well as many people here.. it's not alright. I wanted to simply inform Mr.
Robinson of the net activity and what the real users are saying.. maybe
diffusing what rose petals Commodore is sending to Mr. Robinson.

 AAF> Please, let's be constructive in any criticisms of CBM or the Amiga.

  Let's all act like you.. and comment like you.

  Thanks.. I don't WANT to be you.

Frotz.

Mike.. 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

---------
Phillip Robinson author of Washington Post/San Jose Mercury
article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!

                              Phil Robinson
                              P.O. Box 1377
                           Sausalito, CA  94966
---------
From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:24:01 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul21.002259.2979@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
> In article <kehlet.05la@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org
> (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> 
> >> Quid pro quo, it would only be fair for CBM to enter into such an agreement
> >> with the intention of incorporating the Alpha chip into future Amiga
> >> platforms... adding VMS and Windows NT support would add considerably to the 
> >> existing software base :).
> 
> >Think of it as a rumour -- should it come true, why would it be CBM getting
> >DEC's technology?  VMS maybe, but still that is an outdated system, that
> >has been patched on for the last god-knows-how-many years...
> 
> I would imagine that most people would envision any hypothetical advancement
> in processor technology to be beneficial to the platform. From my perspective
> VMS is more of a liability than anything. But perhaps I'm just becoming jaded
> from spending the last few months developing COBOL applications under it :).

About those COBOL apps:  they can be *REALLY* inflicting on your level of
sanity...  ;-))

Other than that...  I fully agree!


> >Windows/NT isn't that great an OS to put into any other machine than the
> >Intel-based, so why bother?
> 
> Windows NT has largely been developed to be platform independent. From what I
> understand however, its requirements make the Alpha more of a necessity than
> anything.

W/NT has been announced as a very efficient enhancement of Windows/386,
that should support OS/2 specific applications and incorporate the best
from the UNIX world.

Now, as I see it, 386-enhancments and OS/2 compatibility most certainly
requires an Intel-processor, still MS claiming it to be platform
independent!  In their dreams, I say!!!


> >Sounds more like it could be some agreement on production lines or
> >something like that...  I'd like to see the VAX/VMS and the A3000/UX in
> >some great new combination...  though I see it as a thing far, far away...
> 
> I would be quite surprised if any agreement extended beyond
> servicing/distribution.

Exactly my point...  But with the new steps giving a trend towards
workstations & UNIX, I still hope for something like it in the
not-so-far-away future...


> Mark

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