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From: Student.Assembly@dartmouth.edu (Student Assembly)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Dartmouth condemns Oregon anti-gay and -lesbian referendum
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:35:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


One (small) way to fight the Oregon referendum from afar:

The Student Assembly of Dartmouth College has passed by 22-8-1 a
statement reprinted below condemning the upcoming referedum in Oregon
to incorporate anti-gay and -lesbian provisions into the state
constitution.  Right now, it is legal in all 50 states to evict gay and
lesbian tenants, fire gay and lesbian employees, and execute other acts
of discrimination.  A few cities around the country have enacted civil
rights ordinances for gay and lesbian citizens.  The Oregon measure
would prohibit any city in Oregon from protecting them, would require
public schools to teach that homosexuality is Rabnormal, wrong,
unnatural, and perverseS and Rto be discouraged and avoidedS (quoted
from proposed amendment), and may force the state to fire all lesbian
and gay state employees, including teachers.

The Dartmouth Student Assembly will be sending a press release and the
statement to national and Oregonian media.  We would like to see
colleges and other entities around the country likewise generate
publicity and draw attention to the situation in Oregon.  We would like
to see the issue covered as broadly as the Louisiana gubernatorial
election in which David Duke ran.

Students, please urge your student governments to take up this issue so
that we can keep media attention on this egregious situation. 
Hopefully, other student governments will be able to pass stronger
language.

-Jeff Strabone

Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu
===========

Dartmouth Statement on Human Rights

Sponsor: Auguste Goldman
Committee of Origin: None
Date of Passage: August 25, 1992

Whereas, the educational institutions in the United States can have a
profound effect on the maintenance of Human and Civil Rights in this
country, and

Whereas, educational institutions have a moral and intellectual duty to
fight bigotry, and

Whereas the Oregon Citizens AllianceUs referendum constitutes a Human
Rights violation,

We, the Student Assembly of Dartmouth College, hereby condemn the
Oregon Citizens AllianceUs anti-gay and -lesbian referendum on OregonUs
November ballot.  Furthermore, we encourage other student government
organizations around the country to join us in expressing outrage at
this flagrant assault on the civil and human rights of gays, lesbians,
and bisexuals by a state government.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.discrimination,talk.abortion
From: rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: Houston, TX
	<RJOHNSON.92Aug21104309@conus.shell.com>
	<1992Aug25.210640.4136@crd.ge.com>
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:02:04

Note followup.

cook@dollar.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook) writes:
 >I don't get it, Johnson.  You point out that there is a possibility that
 >women will have abortions for what you term "outrageous reasons".  You seem
 >to think that this is a Bad Thing, and that it should Not Be Allowed.

Close, I think it is a Bad Thing and should be Dealt With.

 >But what's the alternative here?  If you deny these women abortions, they
 >will soon have _newborn_infants_ under their care and control.  Do you think
 >that these formerly flagrantly irresponsible women will suddenly be infused
 >with some sort of responsibility hormone immediately upon childbirth?

Three points:
	1. Irresponsibility in one area does not imply irresponsibility
in all areas.  In particular, I think the problem is that the abortion
decision is, in some instances, not considered deeply.  This does not
mean that they play with explosives, drive drunk, or display any other
types of irresponsible behavior.

	2. Responsibility is learned.  Few new mothers are truly prepared
for all that goes with motherhood (and of course the same holds for fathers).
Most seem to get better as time goes by.

	3. Adoption is an option.  The difference, from the mother's point
of view (as I see it), between adoption and abortion, is that giving birth
brings home the reality of the child and the choice is more real.


 >Don't you think that the sort of woman who would have an abortion _solely_
 >becuase it would interfere with vaction plans [...]
 >would be the same sort of woman who might, say,
 >leave an infant at home alone for a few hours if she felt she needed a break?
 >Or decide not to feed the baby if she didn't feel like going to the store
 >for formula?  Perhaps put a pillow over its mouth if the crying annoyed her?

I don't know what else she would do.  I don't think she considered the
decision seriously enough -- the reality of a child would likely change 
her perspective.

 >I think that if these mythical irresponsible women exist, society in general
 >is much better off if they never become mothers at all.  Even if it takes
 >abortion to ensure this.

 >|>Roy Johnson, who is not Kibo
 >You're _proud_ of not being Kibo?

No, Kibo is proud that I am not he.
--
Roy Johnson, who is not Kibo
Shell Development Company (but speaking for myself)
"There's a big difference between being a lesbian and being a male!"
			-- tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.084735.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.104826.12754@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>, 
>kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
[stuff delete]
>As for my opinion... Bush lies, Clinton lies, they all lie. The question is, 
>which one tries to keep his word and which one doesn't even care. 

The only president that we had in recent memory who was honest in his
campaign has been written up in the media as the devil himself.

Reagan came to office telling us that he would cut social spending,
cut taxes, and increase defense spending.

He did all three.

Where's the incentive to be honest?  Dukakis lied about the Masschusett's
miracle, and the media couldn't get enough of it.

>In the proper 
>perspective, Bush has shown that he doesn't care. We read his lips, and two 
>years later he was breaking the one thing he prommised. Then he said that 
>"Congress made me do it" (Somehow I just can't see him doing Flip Wilson). Then 
>he said... "it was a mistake". Not, "I didn't keep the only mandate the people 
>elected me with."
>
>Clinton may not be the best choice for cheif exec., but anything has got to be 
>better than a known liar, who refuses to take responsibility for anything even 
>slightly negative, but will take the glory for things that he had nothing to do 
>with (like the congressional bills that he originally opposed, yet in his 
>convention speach, he took credit for).
>
>jmi
>ivler@mdcbbs.com


-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: LaRouchians as Fascists!
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:41:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism

As quoted from <1296500306@igc.apc.org> by NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>:

>  Who is Lyndon LaRouche?
> 
>    LaRouche spent his formative years in the small 
> industrial city of Lynn, Massachusetts as a 
> Quaker, and the past fifteen years forging a 
> fascist movement out of cadre originally drawn 
> from idealistic Marxist college students. His 
> name became more familiar to Americans in April 
> of 1986 when two Illinois followers of LaRouche 
> scored primary victories--garnering the official 
> Democratic Party ballot slots for Lieutenant 
> Governor and Secretary of State. In repudiating 
> the LaRouche candidates, the Democratic Party's 
> candidate for Illinois governor, Adlai Stevenson, 
> removed himself from the official ticket saying 
> he could not in good conscience run on the same 
> ticket with "neo-Nazis."

A much more interesting tale would be how they got on the ticket in the first
place.  I was living in Chicago at the time.  One lesson learned is that if
you totally disdain and alienate the Black vote, you never know where it'll
turn in reaction.  Now THAT'S an interesting story.

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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.news-media,talk.politics.misc
Subject: FORUM: Anti-Labor Bias in Media (Sept 9, San Francisco)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:26:26 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: lcypher@nuchat.sccsi.com (Louis Cypher)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:44:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.101634.2442@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <92244.002950SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>Clinton says that by the same bogus criteria that he raised taxes 128 times,
>>George Bush raised it 327 times.  Key word here: BOGUS CRITERIA...
>
>But according to the Congressional Research Service Bush raised taxes only
>78 times using the same cirteria; not the 327 Clinton claims. So if you
>claim bush is telling lies then you must call Clinton a lier for the exact
>same reason.
>
>    Allen

*WRONG*...Look, it is NOT that hard to figure out....*BUSH* said that
Clinton raised taxes 128 times...Clinton retaliated saying that using
the criteria that Bush used to get the number *128*, that Bush raised
taxes 327 times...The Congressional Research Service said that the *ACTUAL*
numbers were 59 to 78.....which still leaves Bush with raising taxes
*MORE* than Clinton....


Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Slick Willie and the Rapists
In-reply-to: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu's message of Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:48:20 GMT
Organization: pubs
	<farenebt.714789787@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
	<PA146008.258.714847699@utkvm1.utk.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:02:17 CDT

David Veal writes:

   Between this and the constant predictions that George Bush will attack
   Iraq again solely to boost his campaign, I have never seen anybody blasted
   more often based on what people *predict* will do.

Now why in the WORLD would anyone expect George to do such things?

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
From: rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman)
Subject: Re: 3rd WORLD RESOURCES BOOKS(3): MOZAMBIQUE: HARROWING WAR
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:57:53 GMT

In article <9208280020.AA06310@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>
>        The following is from the quarterly magazine, THIRD WORLD
>        RESOURCES: A QUARTERLY REVIEW OF RESOURCES FROM AND ABOUT THE THIRD
>        WORLD; subscriptions to the 24-page hardcopy edition are $35/year
>        (organizations) and $35/two years (individuals). For rates outside
>        North America, write to: Third World Resources, 464 19th Street,
>        Oakland, CA 94612-2297 USA. See also their conference `twr.nl' on
>        PeaceNet, or email to tfenton@igc.org (Tom Fenton)
>
>***<A COMPLICATED WAR: THE HARROWING OF MOZAMBIQUE.> William  
>Finnegan. University of California Press, 2120 Berkeley Way,  
>Berkeley, CA 94720. 1992. xiv + 325 pp. $25. Cloth. ISBN 0- 
>520-07804-7. Notes, index, maps. 
>
>Finnegan draws on his notebooks of evidence from personal  
>research and travels in East Africa, Portugal, England, and  
>the United States to document the case against Renamo in  
>gruesome detail. He is forthright, at the same time, in his  
>criticisms of the failures of the Frelimo government. But  
>even the harshest criticisms he can level at Frelimo so pale  
>in comparison with the case he advances against Renamo that  
>it is difficult to understand how Finnegan can describe this  
>as a "complicated" war.  
>
>Consider the evidence that Finnegan so clearly and  
>authoritatively advances in this book and decide for  
>yourself how "complicated" it is to sort out right from  
>wrong in Mozambique. 

I haven't read the book by Finnegan, though I did read the articles
in the New Yorker from which this book grew.  However, I want to play
a little devil's advocate here and ask why this reviewer, having
obviously decided that Frelimo is "right" and Renamo is "wrong," thinks
this decision removes all complications from the war.

Robert Huffman
rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Well Mr. Dyer?
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:08:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <dliebman.19hi@terapin.com> dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.012221.11897@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp
>(Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.210146.28742@oracle.us.oracle.com>
>rchilder@us.oracle.com 
>>(Richard Childers) writes:
>>>aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

>>>>I asked you if you would mind having people email and call you to express
>>>>their displeasure with your postings. I assume not since you don't mind
>>>>doing it to others but just wanted to make sure. Yet you have been
>>>>strangsly silent on this issue. How about it?

>>>I still see little connection between calling an 800 number, publically
>>>available for expressedly that purpose, 

>>Why is an individual different from a company in this context?

>typically, the behavior of a corporation will affect more lives more radically
>than will the opinions of an individual.

Does that mean we are never allowed to express our displeasure with an
individual's opinions?

>>> For one thing, [corporations have] no conscience.

>>So?  Why is the existence or lack of a conscience relevant?

>it's the sort of thing you got to have to understand.

Cute, but not an answer.

>> Anyway,
>>the company's owners and employess have consciences and they set policy.

>conscience mediated by self-interest.

So is everybody's.

>please consult Thoreau's _Civil Disobediance_ for remedial studies.

I've read it.  I don't see the relevance to this particular issue.
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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Family Values" -- Clinton Continues to Miss Opportunity
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:18:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <9208300327.AA14754@poly.math.cornell.edu>
harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>	Percentage of Americans which found the following "very
>	important" to promote family values:
>-- Creating a National Health Care Program: 83 percent
>-- Spending more money on education: 88 percent
>-- Spending more on Day Care for children: 79 percent

Gee.  Are these the same people that
 -- want the budget balanced
 -- want the economy to recover quickly
 -- want jobs for everyone
 -- are mad at the "no new taxes" turnaround
 -- don't want the government to tax them anymore
 -- are educated by our wonderful American educational system?

By Clinton's own (extremely optimistic) estimates, he would raise taxes
by $197 billion over 4 years to pay for social programs and capital projects.

A long term care bill proposed by congressional democrats would cost
an estimated $45 billion ANNUALLY!

The Senate bill that mirrors Clinton's proposal for health care assumed a
payroll tax increase of 7% for businesses.  Now that will get the job
market thriving again, won't it!

You fools that live and die by these "polls" might benefit from a class
in psychology.  Ask people if they think "x" is good, without spelling
out the realities of such a decision mean about zero in terms of what
these same people would actually say if given the entire picture.
Think.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:16:34 GMT

In article <92244.002950SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Clinton says that by the same bogus criteria that he raised taxes 128 times,
>George Bush raised it 327 times.  Key word here: BOGUS CRITERIA...

But according to the Congressional Research Service Bush raised taxes only
78 times using the same cirteria; not the 327 Clinton claims. So if you
claim bush is telling lies then you must call Clinton a lier for the exact
same reason.

>Does it make sense yet?  No?  Let's try it again... Clinton says standard
>is crap.  Then says by same standard Bush is worse for added emphasis...

Which is incorrect.

    Allen

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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Gus savage is history
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:22:24 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Aug28.063908.1@fnala.fnal.gov> maxwell@fnala.fnal.gov writes:

: Well, Carl, you should feel a lot better then, because due to the most recent
: gerrymandering in Illinois, Gus Savage will *not* be returning to Washington
: next year.

: Every once in a great while, something nice actually happens. (You shoulda
: heard that execrable bigot whine when he lost the primary--- hee hee!)

	I don't live anywhere near Illinois. What did he have to say?

/Loren
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Socialism, again
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:04:48 GMT
 <1992Aug25.003220.25787@meteor.wisc.edu> <1992Aug25.035503.26120@ncar.ucar.edu> <BtJt32.I9z@newcastle.ac.uk>
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:

>gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>sj> Stephen Jascourt

>>  ["From each according to ability, to each according to need".]

>>sj> But ultimately, one is motivated to accumulate wealth regardless of what
>>sj> effect that has on the society-- including accumulating wealth at the
>>sj> expense of other people rather than in a way in which they benefit too.

>>  Any examples? Sam Walton accumulated more wealth than anyone. Whom did he
>>  exploit and cheat?

>Many people would argue that IBM accumulated wealth at the expense
>of other people during its golden age.  Look at the prices and
>performances it offered.

And the service they provided.  If someone didn't want to pay IBM's prices,
there was, and is, competition who will sell you what you stuff cheaper.
You decide the cost and benefit.

 -Steve
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     Steve Adams                              Fax:   (312) 329-3558
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Society should start afresh
Date: 29 Aug 92 09:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1296500304@igc.apc.org>, nlns@igc.apc.org (New Liberation News Service) writes:
> 
> Say. . .
> 
> Who let the wonks on the net?
> 
> Death to idiots!
I agree! When are you going to commit suicide?
> 
> Jason
> NLNS
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