HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slndw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ALMOST!!!!
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:59:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Well, I had an interesting incident on friday.  I was coming
home from a friends and was preparing to make a right turn.  It
had been raining most of the day.  I live in Utah and there is usually not
much rain, and this is the 6th drought year in a row, so riding in
the rain is something I don't do often.  As I downshifted, my 750
Shadow decided it would be fun to head down the road sideways.
Now, usually things would go into slow motion at this point, but
they didn't.  Somehow I managed to not panic and just kept
riding.  When I had the bike going the right way again, it was
about too late to initate the turn (i was in the intersection)
so, I kept going straight.  Before my mountain bike was 
stolen, I used to have fun getting it sideways in the dirt, just
for fun.  That bike, however, is much lighter.  I guess the
practicing paid off.  I certainly wouldn't want to try to
ride the shadow sideways on a regular basis, but it was not
nearly as bad as it could have been.  The most surprising thing
is that at no point did I feel panicked or scared.  Perhaps
I am just stupid, but I think this may have helped me right the 
bike and keep going.  

Just wanted to share this near mis-hap.



-toot
DoD#3323

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From: amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr)
Subject: Corbin seats revisted
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:09:39 GMT
Organization: U of Kentucky, Computer & Mathematical Sciences Division

Finally, after three weeks of waiting & repeatedly checking my answering
machine every day (to see if I have a call from the dealer with the good
news :-), I have received my Corbin Gunfighter Saddle.  I raced home, got
on the bike and headed straight to the shop, as though under heavy hypnosis.
We got it out of the box and it looked perfect.  I give Corbin's materiel
and workmanship top points.  "In my opinion", it gives the bike a much
better appearance and even though I have only put a little over a 100 miles
on the register with the new seat, "to me", it feels a lot more comfortable
than the stock saddle.  It is definitely money well spent.  Once again
thanks to everyone for their input and suggestions, whether positive
or negative, concerning this subject.
-- 
- Amir Sadr,  Dept. of Computer Science   AMA#633741  amir@ms.uky.edu
- University of Kentucky                  DoD#0606    amir@UKMA.BITNET
- Lexington,  KY 40506-0027               CBR1000F    [rutgers,uunet]!ukma!amir
--
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From: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Subject: Re: Centripetal !!
Reply-To: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:31:49 GMT

These definitions work for me and are pretty true to the Latin roots of the  
words:

   centripetal -> centre-seeking
   centrifugal -> centre-fleeing

--
John R. Manuel                 Department of Physics, University of Alberta
manuel@space.ualberta.ca                 Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA, T6G 2J1
Office: (403) 492-2526          (NeXTMail OK)           Fax: (403) 492-0714
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: physics 101 (was Re: Centripetal !!)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 06:22:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <79571@ut-emx.uucp>, captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
wrote:
> According to my understanding of Newtonian 
> Physics (which has held up pretty well in the "real world") the friction
> force (Ffr) is equal to the coefficient of friction (mu) times the normal
> force (Fn).  Nowhere does "contact patch" size come into play.
> 
>         Ffr=mu*Fn
> 
> 
> Well, I was going to take this on into the Work-Energy Theorem, and show
> an actual example based on vehicle masses, but I'm too tired to do much
> more of this, so just look at the formula and notice that the force of
> friction (the one that will slow you down) has nothing to do with "contact
> patch" or llamas.

Yes and no.  True, in the classical definition of friction, two hard
surfaces sliding across each other, contact patch size does not apply.  But
this  is not that case.  Tires are made of rubber, which is soft, and 
therefore deforms.  Also, the road surface is not smooth, so what you wind
up with are a bunch of little pieces of tire, pushing into the little 
spaces on the road.  The bigger the contact patch, the more little spaces
for tires to push into.

> |captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834     | DoD #207  AMA
#573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci. dept.| KotNML  /  KotB     
|
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '81 CB750C          
|
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111              | '88 Bianchi Limited 
|
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: NYC metro area TEST RIDES sought
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:06:05 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep15.054214.16297@panix.com> bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>Anyone know of dealers in the extended NYC metro area
>(100mi. range from Manhattan) that offer test rides for a
>person seriously planning on a purchase? I'm particularly
>interested in trying a FJ.

	When my Dad was looking, we were told it was *illegal* to offer test
	rides in New Jersey (and maybe New York, too). He looked pretty
	serious about his purchase, and I had all my gear looking serious about
	doing his test ride, but maybe they were still giving us shit.

>If you've bought a bike recently, how can you make a multi-K
>dollar commitment without a test-ride? I disagree with most
>of the magazines, except for Lance, of course :), so why
>should I trust them?

	Beats the hell out of me how Dad did it. I've always bought used from
	private parties so I try to make them let me test ride...

-------
Bored of my old .sig and lacking enough bikes to make an impressive list...
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#0516      |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- '92 Perception Corisca|    NYC, NY.|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Tristate weather
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:19:20 GMT

ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:

>TRISTATE weather forcast:

>  High today and tomorrow.
>  Low Wednesday.
>  High impedance Thursday and Friday.

Author! Author!  (Wish I'd thought of it! :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:22:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 140992210501@b62003.student.cwru.edu, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>
>Yeah, for my first two years at this school, my SO was a mechanical
>engineering student on whom I spent a LARGE amount of effort convincing
>that the fact that she was female didn't make her less competent an
>enigineer.

Yo, Dean, wanna bop down to NC and try to convince some good ole boys
of that?  Life in Silicon Valley is a complete and total fantasy.  :^(

ObMoto:  GetabikeEd.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: murfeypj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: many thanks
Reply-To: murfeypj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:06:39 GMT

I have recieved 5 reviews of the Hawk 650 so far, all of them glowing. More
are welcome, but I am convinced. By spring 1993, I'll be the proud new owner
of a Hawk. My sincere appreciation goes out to all those who took the time to
E-mail me.

Now that I've decided to buy a motorcycle, could some one please post/send 
info on MSF or ABATE introductory courses for this fall or next spring, in
Indiana? Once again, thanks in advance. 

					Pete Murfey
					MurfeyPJ@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.EDU

P.S. Can I have a hint as to the identity of the KotL?

P.P.S. I'm working on a creative .sig, just you wait and see.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on defending yourself in court
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.200839.5864@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>The traffic court judge I just saw in action would seem to disagree with you.
>In each case of speeding, the defendants claimed that their speed, while 
>exceeding the posted limit by the amount the officer specified, was not
>an unsafe speed for the conditions. In 1 instance, the judge was familiar
>with the road, agreed with the defendant, and dismissed the charges. In the
>other 2 cases, the judge was unfamiliar with the road, said he would personally
>drive those roads at the speeds for which the drivers were cited, and if, in
>his opinion, those roads COULD be safely driven at those speeds, he would
>dismiss the tickets.

	What state was this in?  What municipality?  How soon can I move
there?!?!

Inquiring minds,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Keywords: oil roads sign
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:15 GMT

In article <sysop.170@elan.glassboro.edu> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
|Saw a sign last month that attracted my attention:
|
|	Freshly Oiled Road
|
|This is in southern New Jersey farm area, and I have no idea what the 
|purpose of oiling a road is.  I did get to practice a quick U-turn, though.

In hindsight, I guess the two least favorite signs I have run across were

            "Passenger cars not recommended, no trailers"
                              and
            "Impassable when wet"

The thing that made those signs bad was that I was on my Concours, loaded up
with luggage, and the left bag was rather dangling, broken and tied on with
duct tape and bungees, it was starting to get dark, at the end of a 450 mile 
day and I was innocently heading down toward the Echo Park Campsite at Dinosaur 
National Monument in Utah/Colorado, having no idea whatsoever that the dirt 
road was 20 miles long, decending into the canyon, approaching vertical at 
times, with nice sand washes at the bottom of most of the dips in the road.

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: arends@Metaphor.COM (Dale M. Arends)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcycle-camping in Yosemite
Keywords: Motorcycle camping
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: arends@Metaphor.COM (Dale M. Arends)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: ba
Organization: m4

In article <1992Sep2.014752.2098@nas.nasa.gov>, browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning) writes:
|> My passenger and I will be camping/hiking in Yosemite during the week
|> of 9/14 - 9/18 (M-F).  I hope to ride there from the SF Bay Area, if I
|> think I can fit packs, sleeping bags, tent, passenger, etc. on my bike
|> (V65 Sabre).  I don't plan to camp at the parking site; we're going to
|> ride into Yosemite Valley, park the bike, hike into the wilderness and
|> camp there.
|> 
|> Anybody here done this before?  I'm most concerned about not having a
|> trunk to store stuff in.  I don't want to hike to half-dome with
|> helmets & leathers (though it might make the climb safer :-), but I
|> don't know how to store it all securely.
|> 
|> Any suggestions?
|> 
|> -- David
|> 

Back in the days when I did camping, I found that the best alternative to
locking everything was to use a bike cover and park in the motorcycle area
of Day Use Parking near Curry Village.  It's in the open and with the cover
on the bike, nobody messes with it.

Have fun.
Dale 
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale M. Arends                    arends@Yosemite.Metaphor.com
Metaphor Computer Systems, Inc.   ...!uunet!metaphor!yosemite!arends

Any opinions expressed herein are my own and not those of my employer.  They
probably aren't interested and maybe don't agree and therefore ...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: faster rear braking
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 03:06:09 GMT

In article <BuFJAF.5rw@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>
>suppose you had only your rear brake with which to stop.
>what do you suppose is faster: straight-line non-locking,
>straight-line locking, or locking and swinging the rear
>out to side?
>
>for added interest, make two cases: one for dirt, and 
>the other for a clean paved surface.

	I'd say the same for both dirt and for the street:  straight-line non-
locking for as long as possible to scrub speed, then lock and swing the rear
out to the side.  Here's why:  once you start braking hard, the weight transfers
to the front and the rear brake becomes less effective.  I'm sure you'll flame
me if I'm wrong.  (Knowing you, Hesh, I imagine you've tried it :-).

	On long, low bikes (e.g., Harleys), I'd suspect that threshold braking
would be more effective than a sideways skid, however.

Twisted ramblings,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MOST Favorite Road Sign
Keywords: oil roads sign
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:38:46 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command


PED X-ing




"Just because I've gotten a ticket for failure to yield to children in a
crosswalk, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with me . . ."


-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: ST1100 & R100GS PD
Reply-To: wolf@mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:24:18 GMT

In article 24783@cbnewsh.cb.att.com, wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf) writes:
"> "Well, I'm still trying to chose between a R100GS PD and an ST1100.  This weekend
"> "I'm gonna try for a test ride on the former and also go to a Honda dealer in
"> "this area that still has silver STs.  But before I do that...:-)

Well, I just called BMW's 800 number to find the "nearest participating dealer"
to give me a test-ride on a PD.  The dealer to whom I was referred told me that
1) they don't have any bikes to test-ride and 2) there are no R100GS PD left for
1992.  I got the number of a second dealer and he told me that they don't provide
test-rides PERIOD.  He also told me that there are no PDs left for 1992.
Now what kind of s@#t is this?  I got the BMW 800 number straight out of their ad
in Rider magazine - specifically inviting folks to 'call to arrange a test ride'.

Does anyone know of BMW dealers in the NJ/NY area that is willing to give test
rides AND who still has PDs in stock?

General question:  Is what these dealers told me true: are there no more 1992 PDs?

Thnx,
Tom

---
+----------------------------------------+ ..I've been told my signature lacked
| Thomas Wolf   | (908) 957-3955         | originality...Of course it does!
| Bell Labs, NJ | wolf@merlin.mt.att.com | I'm a conservationist - and 
| MT 4D-213     | wolf@jolt.att.com      | originality, in my case,  is a
+----------------------------------------+ an extremely limited resource...
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING A BIG NOISE! I'M SPECIAL!
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:50:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep15.005018.6465
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <viking.716513678@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>>Would the defenders of loud exhaust answer this: Is your loud sound worth
>>being limited on where anybody can ride?
>
>       At the risk of sounding like a California politician, "If it
>saves one life..."
>
>>so I wish that everyone would have
>>the decency to restrain himself in public.
>
>       I do.  I've an open Kerker megaphone, no baffling, no cone.  It's
>actually quieter than my cage, which has the stock exhaust system.  I
>restrain myself by keeping the RPM's low and not opening the throttle
>any more than necessary.  On the other hand, when I'm surrounded by
>idiots or commuters reading books I generally drop a gear.  Having
>to use the horn means I've already let myself get into danger.
>
><Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
><z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
><viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
><ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>


Hear! Hear! (pun intended)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: DoD - How about a DoD Key Fob made by Zippo?????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:59:04 GMT

I've had a suggestion from a fellow DoDer for a keyfob.  Zippo makes
excellent key keepers and they already have our logo.

Any interest?  I think they'd be in the $8 to $10 range.

E-mail me.

Arnie
From: weiss@ra.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yamadog VMAX
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:08:22 GMT
Reply-To: weiss
Distribution: world
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory-on-the-Potomac, Washington, DC, US of A
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I can't explain it!!!  Lately, I've had this strong affinity for the VMAX!

I can't find any specs for the latest models, though.  What are some of the 
technical details, specifically, fuel-injected or carbureted, hydraulic or 
solid lifters, etc?  I think I read a few years back that the Canadian-spec 
VMAX had the Genesis 5-valve head.  Is this true?

Thanks!

_____________________________________________________________________________
Warren W. Weiss      VMI '87
AMA# 409056
				"Think for yourself and question authority"
Ride: '85 Suzuki GS700+
							Unknown
"Deus Ex Machina"
_____________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Yet another ST1100 question
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:06:22 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Sep4.114657.24783@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf) writes:

>Well, I'm still trying to chose between a R100GS PD and an ST1100.  This weekend
>What, if any, differences are there between the original black ST1100s ('90),
>the '91s (silver) and the '92s (red) - aside from color?

No difference between the 90 and 91, a minor enhancement to the 92 allowing 
access to the rear shock adjustment without removal of  a body panel on the
92 ( cherry red )

>Also, if the dealer has a couple "left-over" '91s, what is a fair price?  The
>list on that year was $8995, but given that the bike is essentially a year old
>as soon as I drive it off the "lot", I'd like to know what price to start
>negotiating from.

I paid 7200 + my 81 CB750 ( worth 600 at the most to the dealer) out the
door with no extra charges. Watch out for the 200 or more dollar 600 mile
service, see if you can get it included in the price.

Remember to take at least a 30 mile test drive!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin)
Subject: Re: More reserve switch questions
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:43:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.233643.28004@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell) writes:
>
>>why don't they all just have accurate fuel gauges?
>
>Have you _ever_ seen an accurate fuel gauge on a bike?

Well, accurate no (except when it says full) but the fuel gauges on both
the Battlestar and the ST1100 are precise without being accurate.

Accuracy is desirable but certainly not necessary, once you have 
learned what the reading means it is perfectly useful as long as 
it is precise.

What I want to know is; how do fuel gauges work?

Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA, FSSNOC, DoD #257
bob@varian.com     242,201 miles and counting     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:13:36 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:
>Last year when I was attending the theoretical part of my MC
>schooling, our teacher distributed a sheet of paper with advice on
>waving between MC-ists.
>
>According to this system, a wave with the hand _above_ the handlebars
>means just a friendly acknowledgement of fellow bikers, while a wave
>with the hand _below_ the handlebars means: "Danger - drive legally!!"
>This of course is interpreted as meaning dangerous road conditions 
>coming up, or some kind of police activity...:-) I've followed this system 
>since, as I thought it was a good idea, but I don't think too many others 
>are aware of it, as I've never had other bikers give me a low wave, 
>although there have several times been reason for it. It seems that this 
>method was recently developed, as our instructor told us to "spread the 
>word" to other bikers.

Well, the way _I_ wave depends on a bunch of things. First, how fast
are you going/how much traffic is there/how twisty is the road.
Second, how far away is the other rider (is it a two-lane or a divided
highway)? I wave high and wide if there's a big wide divider, just off
the bar if there's traffic, nod the head if there's TRAFFIC, or if I'm
turning left (need that hand to countersteer!).

On the other hand, if I'm warning the oncoming rider of cops or other
extreme danger, I'll start by flashing my high beam, then waving my
hand down low. Push the hand down, with the palm facing down says
"slow it up" to me. I get waves (and diving forks) back, so the
message seems to get across.


-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
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