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From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:50:10 GMT

In article <NELSON.93Jan9170642@cheetah.clarkson.edu> nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.145902.25526@crd.ge.com> millerj@belize.crd.ge.com writes:
>
>   	Now I have to give him cough medicine and drops in his eyes.  He used
>   to take his vitamins in a dropper really well but now it's impossible to
>   do without getting half of it on his face/clothes/hands.  It takes one 
>   person to hold his head and one person to try to pry his mouth open and
>   shove the dropper in.  He tries to clench his jaw and jerk his head the
>   whole time.  I do the eye drops when he's drinking so I can usually get
>   one eye without him noticing.
>   	HELP!! Is there a trick to doing this?
>
>None that we've been able to find.  You just have to gently strap them
>down into the comfy chair, and pry their orifice (eyes,mouth) open
>with a crowbar.
>
>Think of his skill at evading medicine as evidence of how smart and capable
>your child is.  :)
>
>--
>--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.

Well, for eye drops, there is a better method. I thought it was
pretty well known & someone else would post.  Anyway, put the
baby (or older child for that matter) in a prone position --
have the drops in the dropper ready to go.  When the eye is
closed, put the drops in the inside corner of the eye (next to
the nose) and slightly tilt the head toward the outside corner
of the eye.  Generally the child will blink and the drops get 
in pretty painlessly.  You can use other tricks to relax/distract, 
but the basic technique works pretty well.

Elise.
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From: judy@kokab.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Cute things they say (age 4)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:07:47 GMT

Mitchell and I had to walk three blocks in the cold rain to pick up our
car after an airplane trip.  It was dark and a little spooky.  I told Mitchell
"Hey, we're having a rainy adventure."  He looked at me in disbelief and
responded, "Yeah, right".  

Then in the car on the way home from the airport, I looked back at Mitchell
and said, "So, we just spent Christmas in Hell.  What did you think of it?"
Mitchell responded, "Humbug!"  (It was total hell, worst Christmas of my
life).

Mitchell is also just starting to show some problem solving skills.  The
first time he wanted me to make him a Zorro mask and it was late at night
so I said, not tonight.  I have to get some black material.  He thought
for a moment and said, "I have an idea."  He had figured out where to get
a black mask and it only required a few minutes of my time.  After I made
the mask and marvelled at what a great idea it was, he pointed to his head
and said, "My brain told me what to do."




-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Ideas needed for birthday cupcakes
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:51:03 GMT

Next months my son will celebrate his third birthday.  I am
trying to come up with ideas for cupcakes to take to day
care.  The first year I baked cupcakes in ice cream cones
and then decorated the tops, last year I used Micky Mouse
holders and sprinkles.  Any ideas on how to decorate cupcakes
for this year's party.  He has also requested an Elmo birthday
cake for the party at home.  All I can think about is all
that RED frosting.  I am trying to convince him of the wonders
of a Big Bird cake (yellow frosting doesn't seem quite at bad).
Thanks.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: Feng.Qian@launchpad.unc.edu (Feng Qian)
Subject: 2 kids games for ages 4 &up. IBM
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:53:13 GMT


I have two kids games for sale:

1. Mickey's Memory Challenge. VGA, EGA. Can use Adlib sound card.
   .Practice association and memory skills by choosing Disney objects,
     everyday objects or familar words.
   .Mouse or keyboard driven
   .Play alone, with a friend, or against a Disney character
   .Test memory skills against timer.

    Bought $29.99. Sell for $15

2. Reading Adventures in OZ. 256 color VGA game. Takes up 5MB disk space.
   400 words, 40+ different screens. 3 levels ..
    Level 1: Associate words and pictures. Identify shapes and colors.
             recognize similarities and differences. ....
     .....
    Digitized Speech and sound effects if you have a Sound Blaster, Sound
source, etc. 

   Bought $39.99. Sell for $20

I pay shipping if you take two. Otherwise you pay shipping. COD extra.

Both games are in mint condition, in nice original box, with all the manual
and registrations. Makes a perfect gift.

Feng
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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 22:38:36 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan8.163324.10846@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
|> In article <1ihh53INNmb0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
|> >
|> >In a previous article, tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge) says:
|> >
|> >Funny, I can't tell you how many of my friends have had a burning desire
|> >to wash their kitchen floor the night before they went into labor! 
|> >Usually they got talked out of actually doing it, so I wouldn't
|> >attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
|> >wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
|> >cleaning frenzy.  So, Teresa, if you get that urge to clean the floor in
|> >April - take heed!
|> 
|> Yup, this happens to a lot of women.  It seems to be a combination of
|> the nesting instinct they've been experiencing throughout the pregnancy,
|> an a burst of energy that often precedes labor.

Ooops, my wife is only 35 weeks along and decided to clean the refrigerator
and the oven today, I should hurry home in case anything happens.....

Basil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 01:21:31 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
|> 
|> In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com 
|> (David L. Hanson) writes:
|> > This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
|> > by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
|> > to protect their family from the State. 
|> 
|> [amazing work of paranoia omitted]
|> 
|> *WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
|> so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
|> his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
|> they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!
|> 
|> It makes you wonder, doesn't it?
|> 

I don't understand you.  I read the posting you omitted and
didn't find it particularly paranoid.  

Many people don't admit random outsiders to their home.  Would
you allow me to just come and "see what goes on at your home"?
To me, it sounded like a reminder to people who normally
don't open their homes to strangers not to be intimidated
into making an exception if the stranger claims to represent
an authority like the police or a state agency.

Remember this was copied from a mailing list for people
who homeschool children.  I would imagine that such people
are doing something non-mainstream, and that as a result
they receive a disproportionate amount of complaints and
official harrassment.  I don't homeschool my kids, so
it's not for me to judge whether it's paranoid for
someone who does to worry about specific kinds of legal troubles.
But it's a sad fact of life that if you're one of the
few people in town who does something that the majority
finds unusual/abnormal/unnatural, you're more likely
to be targeted by someone who wants to force you to change.

I'm sure it doesn't make the poster feel safer to hear
you ask "what's he trying to hide" and "what is he doing to
his kids?"  

And exactly what's wrong with the advice that if a policeman
or other official comes to your door with obviously hostile
intent (he's not just looking for a lost dog or something)
and demands to search your house. you should ask for a warrant,
call an attorney, and keep a record of what happened?  Especially
if they announce in advance that they're investigating a claim of
child abuse?  
 
|> (I hope that posting this doesn't make me a target for somebody who is
|> dangerously insane.)
|> 

Now the above sentence sounds to me more paranoid than
anything I read in the posting Mr. Hanson quoted.

Why would you think someone who made a posting about
4th Amendment rights was dangerously insane?
-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.173653.567@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, betsy@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus) writes:
|> > In article <29059@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
|> > > What have people's experiences been with preventive antibiotics? 
|> 
|> My older child (3 next month) is a frequent ear-infection sufferer. We have
|> used preventative antibiotics in several different ways:

[Some stuff deleted]

|> We were using amoxycillan all the time this winter until he broke through. We
|> always go on Bactrim if amoxycillan fails. Bactrim is apparently very strong
|> and kills about any infection, such as those colds that just won't go away.
|> (I ASK for it in this cases.) Now we are using amoxycillan whenever a cold
|> starts. That was effective for his last cold.

We have a friend who is a Ped. nurse and she does this with her children.
Her daughter has tubes, but she puts her on antibiotics at the first sign of
a runny nose to help clear up the cold (and claims it really does clear up
the cold more quickly).

On the other hand, antibiotics only kill bacteria and not viruses.  Since
a _real_ cold is caused by a virus, how could a round of antibiotics help
to clear up a cold?  I understand that the antibiotic could help prevent
a secondary bacterial infection, but I don't understand how it could effect
the cold virus.
 
|> Summary: If your child would get 7 or 8 infections a winter, I think the
|> preventative antibiotics probably bring that down to 1 or 2. At 50 bucks
|> a pop at the emergency room and possibly time off from work to take the
|> kids, I'd recommend it.
|> 
|> Disclaimer: I really like and trust my doctor. To his credit, he has never
|> recommended tubes.

Nor should he in your case.  He probably shouldn't even think about tubes
unless your child has worked their way up to Augmentin and/or Ceclor.  You`re
talking big-league antibiotics to prevent the possibility of an ear infection.
I'm glad that out son has tubes, since he was developing a resistance to
Augmentin, and allergy to Ceclor and the low-level antibiotics did nothing
for his infections.  There aren't many antibiotics left once Augmentin stops
working.

You are fortunate that the low-grade antibiotics can clear up and prevent
ear infections!

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
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From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Sweet Things they do, Husbands/Daddies
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:55:55 GMT

Preschool where we live is very competitive, hard to
get into.  For several reasons we wanted our almost
three year old to attend a particular school.  There
were only four openings for three year olds.  My husband
went to the preschool and 10:15 pm and slept in the
car so we would be sure to get one of the slots 
when registration started at 8 am Saturday morning.  
He was not alone, there were other daddies sleeping
in their cars too.  I arrived at 6:30 with coffee
and breakfast.  We were the first three year old
on the list and are officially registered.  We've only
been married six months, so he had only been a daddy
for six months, be he is VERY good at being a daddy.
Thanks for listening to me brag about what I consider
to be a really GREAT guy.  Happy Monday to all of you.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: folic acid & pregnancy
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:48:08 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1993Jan7.175634.26279@nosc.mil> derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL writes:
>There has been some talk in the media of late about the necessity
>for pregnant women to consume enough folic acid to ensure the
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The articles I've seen in the media over here (I think Edinburgh Uni.
was heavily involved in the research) say that you really need the
folic acid pre-conception (although presumably its never too late).

They recommend that all women of child bearing age make sure they have
enough folic acid, since (here at any rate) an awful lot of
pregnancies are unplanned.

>proper neural development of their unborn children.  What follows is
>an excerpt from the Dec 1992 issue of _Nutrition_Action_ for those of
>you who aren't aware of this issue:
>

Alison
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com>
Subject: Re: Early Puberty (summary)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76F60C1440100EF@cdr-va-macs2-dynamic.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:58:57 GMT
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:58:45 GMT

In one of the summaryies, it was said:
>
>Give your daughter a calendar and talk to her about how to
>keep track.
>***********************************************

I have a funny story about keeping track.

My mother, my sister, and I all kept track on the kitchen
calendar. I walked into the kitchen one day and put my
mark on, say, the 15th. My mom asked me to circle the 4th
and my sister asked me to "X" the 9th. My brother was confused.
He started asking about putting Xes, circles and stars on the
calendar. 

"what would happen if I put a circle on the 10th?"
"Mom would know something was wrong"

He asked many questions without figuring out what we were doing.

In the end, he asked if there was anything he should be keeping
track of. I suggested his wet dreams. He, embarassed, understood
what we were doing.

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Participation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:08:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1ifavgINNli2@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Paula Burch quips:
>
>
>In article <19930106120317SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>> >in article <16B4DBDA0.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> Teresa Creech wrote:
>> >Gee, let's bash the professional parents.  How unfair....
>>
>> For the record, I wasn't bashing anyone, except *maybe* David.  I too
>> am a professional parent.
>
>Whoa! You mean you get PAID to be a parent? And here we've been doing
>it for free....
 
Oh, hahahahahahaaa.  You're SO funny! :)  It isn't nice to make fun
of the mentally impaired, you know.
 
>:-)
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
>
TAMARA
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:51:41 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

>I haven't seen the item discussed here yet, and as the mother of a latch-key
>child and I'm curious about what other parent's reactions to the Schoo
>"Home Alone" incident are.

I'm not a parent, but if you check with your local CSD you may be
shocked. Although the time they were planning to stay away was longer
then most, a lot of 'parents' see nothing wrong with leaving kids that
age or younger alone for 2, or 3 days. I think the reason this hit the
news (other than a good money maker) is that they were 'middle-class',
it is very easy in this country to make it sound and look like these
problems only exist if the 'parents' are 'poor'.

-pete
petel@sequent.com
Pete Lancashire
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: eating in labour
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:43:07 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


Ammunition in arguing with policies against withholding fluids in labor....

   K. W. Elkington
   OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY Feb. 1991, vol 77, pp 304-8.
   At the water's edge: where obstetrics and anesthesia meet
   ---------------------------------------------------------
   Abstract:
   Conflict exists between satisfying the parturient's desire for oral
   intake and traditional restrictive standards of obstetric and
   anesthesia departments.  Surveys of institutions providing obstetric
   services reveal greatly varying oral intake policy.  There is neither
   evidence of benefit in withholding fluids nor evidence of risk in
   allowing them.  Prolonged fasting has potential liabilities.
   Maternal mortality is rare, and anesthesia-related causes are not
   among the common etiologies.  Aspiration is not a significant factor
   in the modern era.  Higher risk for anesthesia morbidity is
   associated with general anesthesia, particularly difficult
   intubation.  Instead of implicating oral intake as a risk factor for
   pulmonary aspiration, the literature consistently emphasizes the
   critical role of properly trained and dedicated obstetric anesthesia
   personnel.  Unless parturients are not candidates for regional
   anesthesia, a nonparticulate diet should be allowed.  Liberal use of
   regional anesthesia as well as antacid prophylaxis is recommended.

One of the major points in the article itself is that food eaten before the 
woman realizes she's in labor is enough to cause any problems that food might 
cause during labor, but that's not actually a problem in practice. If I recall 
correctly (since reading this almost 2 years ago), the article refers to 
studies involving some 17,000 labors. It's a good review article.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us (Ruth Alleman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:06:56 GMT
Organization: Home Sweet Home, Lafayette, LA

In article <16B4EB503.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <1i8q13INNdi3@gap.caltech.edu>
>prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott) writes:
 

>>Folks:
>>        Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
>>or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
>>regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
>>absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,

>>Prabhu
 
>I personnally do not like the newer huggies, not sure if they're the
>ultrtrim variety, but they're the steps or phases kind.  They do not
>hold as much as there old style did, nor are they as absorbent as
>Luvs and Pampers.  The tapes on the waistband also do not unfasten as
>easily as L or P's or as easily as their old style did.
 
>just MHO. Not affiliated with any of them
 
>Ellie Blackwell

I agree with Ellie for the most part.  I like the Huggies Steps
(or is that phases) but the Ultratrim variety doesn't seem to
hold near as much.  Also, we found that the waist band tended to
roll down creating a wick effect between the wetness and the
clothing.  Many a time he woke up soaked, inside and out the
diaper.  On an aside, we have had no troubles with the tape.

A funny thing to also mention; with our first child (a daughter)
I prefered Luvs but with the second (a boy) I prefer the Huggies.
They seem "softer" more flexible and therefore more comfortable.
Maybe it's just the changes made over 3.5 years of improvements
;-) !

Ruth Alleman
rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us
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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Breastfeed, Go to Jail (Was: Protecting your family...)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:23:13 EST

I can vouch for that article since I live in Onondaga County and saw the
original story in the local papers.

HOWEVER...(you knew that if I was writing there had to be a "however,"
didn't you)...let's get a little perspective on this.

What do I mean?  Very simple...in *one* place, *one* hairball public
official was stupid enough to charge a woman who was breastfeeding with
child abuse, and was then pigheaded enough to not back down once it
should've been obvious to all that it was all a mistake.  Does this have the
markings of a trend?

I don't think so.  Not anymore than any random piece of stupidity can be
seriously counted as a trend to beware of.  Because a salesperson at the
local Ford dealership said something terribly insensitive may be a reason
for you to take your business to another dealership, but not necessarily a
good reason to stay away from *all* Ford dealerships.  You wouldn't (I hope)
assume from that that *all* Ford salespeople were cretins, now would you?

I could give other examples of where this is fallacious reasoning, but I'd
like to think that I don't have to.  Sure, people can be exceedingly stupid
and pigheaded from time to time, but one person in a particular agency being
an idiot is quite a different thing from a well laid out policy of
prosecuting mothers who breast feed...and I'm willing to bet that this
person will think very carefully before they think of pressing charges like
this again...especially after having been made fun of mercilessly in the
local press.

Perspective...it's not just a word...it's a way of life.

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