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From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Strings & Tags
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec3.214654.6399@netcom.com> pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki) writes:

>My six month old has the most odd fascination for strings and
>the tags that are on stuffed animals, clothing, etc.  He will
>do contortions to get at them and once he has a tag or string
>he will play with it and just stare at it for up to 20 minutes!
>Does anyone else have a baby that does this or is my kid a
>little bit eccentric?  He also likes zippers and buttons, but
>a string can keep him busy for quite a long time!

My daughter went through that for a while. I think it was a few months. 
Whenever she was given a stuffed animal she went right for the tag. 
Sometimes she would suck it, sometimes just hold it and wiggle it. I figured 
it was the part that did not "belong" to the animal which interested her. 
She outgrew it. Later manifestations included asking if a particular 
peson had a grandfacther, then if a particular man had a penis, then looking 
for smoke detectors wherever we were.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you celebrate Hannukah?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:19:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan) writes:

>In Israel they eat suvganiot (jelly doughnuts) 
>instead of latkes.  Any fried food will do.

>Chag Sameach to all!

My family came over from Israel in '68.  We always ate
suvganiot and pistacios. 

Are the pistacios traditional, or is it just a family
quirk?  (I always loved them, though!)

					--  Michal
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy)
Subject: UPDATE: HELP! Teacher problems
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: misc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:57:59 GMT

Thanks for all of your replies.  I have tried to respond to everyone
individually, but I know I've missed a few.  We knew pretty much what
needed to be done, but we needed some moral support.  We definitely
received that.  Since posting, we have talked to the principal again,
and he has agreed to move B.J. to another class.  We have also
informed him that if this didn't solve the problem, we'd be back.  He
didn't seem surprised by this, and I think it will help.

  One issue we didn't agree on was the use of television in the
classroom.  We did make our point clear that it was
being used as a babysitter in this particular case.  He did back off
when we rattled off a list of programs that B.J. had reported seeing.
But he did point out that Sesame Street was often used in conjuntion
with their cirriculum.  I personally saw no evidence of this when I
viewed the other classrooms, except for a brief moment when the
teacher stepped out of the room.  While I'm sure most of us agree that
Sesame Street is great, we know it was never meant to be a teaching
tool inside the classroom.  We did tell the principal if we found this
to be excessive, we had no choice but to take it to the school board.

Thanks again to all who responded.

Kim Murphy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:53:12 EST

Well, I'm not an English teacher, and I don't play one on TV either, but I
think I'll enter the fray on semantical grounds here.

Now our old worn dictionary here doesn't support me on this (but it also
doesn't call me dead wrong...and I'm too lazy to jump in the car and go to
the library to look it up in the OED), but it seems to me that the very fact
that the phrase "a pregnant pause" exists in our language, implies other
uses of the word "pregnant" which are not strictly biological, and therefore
could be applied to the male partner.

Specifically, it seems to me that a pregnant pause is an *expectant* pause,
one in which everyone is waiting for some sort of response.  If this is
indeed the case, then the word pregnant could also have a secondary
definition of "expectant" (who knows, maybe that was its primary definition
until the biological one supplanted it).  Now I'm sure that no one will
argue that the male partner is also expecting, so while he's not
biologically pregnant, he is pregnant in that he's also expecting the
child.

As far as my wife and I go...*we're* pregnant.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Holiday Card
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:15:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

This is a Christmas song by John Denver, but much of it is applicable
for any parent. It is my Christmas/Holiday card to all you misc.kidders.
(Of course, you fill in the name of your own precious gift(s) in the
last line)

		   A BABY JUST LIKE YOU

	   The season is upon us now
	   The time for gifts and giving
	   And as the year draws to its close
	   I think about my living

	   The Christmas times when I was young
	   The magic and the wonder
	   The colors dull, the candles dim
	   And dark my standing under

	   Oh, little angel, shining light
	   You set my soul to dreaming 
	   You've given back my joy in life
	   You've filled me with new meaning

	   A Savior King was born that day
	   A baby just like you
	   And as the wise men came with gifts
	   I come with my gift too

	   That peace on earth fills up your time
	   That brotherhood surrounds you
	   That you may know the warmth of love
	   And wrap it all around you
     
	   It's just a wish, a dream I'm told
	   From days when I was young
	   Merry Christmas little Emily
	   Merry Christmas, everyone.


Laura Dolson
Mom to 21 month old Emily
dolson@crl.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:51:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch)
>Message-ID: <9212171620.AA11134@cairo.kodak.com>
>
>In article <19921216162149SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com
>(Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>
>>While we're bashing Sesame Street, I thought I'd add this bit: My
>>MIL is an elementary school principal (LOTS of experience teaching
>>1st through 6th grade too), and she says SS is bad because it shows
>>lots of examples of children being sassy, sarcastic, and talking-back.
>>I am as yet undecided -- I like SS, but that's her opinion and I do
>>respect her opinion.  What do the rest of you think?
>
>...
>
>We don't watch SS religiously in our home, but we've seen our share
>of episodes over the years, and I do have to ask where are all these
>examples of children being sassy, sarcastic, and talking-back??  This
>is a criticism I have often heard of sitcoms on commercial TV (and
>it is an accurate description of many of them, IMHO), but I can't
>recall a child on SS behaving that way.  What have I missed?  IMHO,
>I don't think SS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I
>certainly don't think it deserves the bashing it is getting in the
>quoted articles, either.
>
>Maureen Busch
>Internet: mbb@keps.com  <--note new address!
>DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
 
I agree with you Maureen.  This is why I asked for general feelings
from all of you (fine) parents out there.  I don't have any complaints
about SS.  As I said, I enjoy it (probably more than our daughter who
really doesn't care about the tv except for the incredible fun in
turning it on and off).  I wasn't trying to bash SS myself, just asking
for the net's opinion.  So far, no one (that I've seen) has stood up
and said "That's right!  Those nasty mouthed kids drive my child to
crime!" :)
 
So, have any of the rest of you seen these sassy, sarcastic,
back-talking kids on SS?
 
TAMARA
 I'm sassy, sarcastic, and talk back, and I *never* saw SS when I
  was a kid. :)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: re: kid not eating good food
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:30:45 GMT

In article 22259@uc.msc.edu, tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947) writes:
>*>Hi:
>*>
>*>Once again I am seeking out net wisdom!
>*>
>*>My youngest son (six) Fredrick has taken to refusing to eat anything except
>*>junk (cookies, popsicles, candy, gum, suckers, and occassionaly some apples
>*>and oranges).  He plays with his food at the table and won't eat no matter
>*>what we try.  (We have tried bribery, Santa's watching, etc).  He has dark
>*>circles under his eyes, is pale, and thinning quite a bit (this has been 
>*>going on for quite some time).  We tried not having any snacks in the house
>*>for him to eat but then he just didn't eat anything.  We locked up the snacks
>*>and said if he finished his dinner he could have some.  We're at wits end!!!
>*>He will normally eat one or two bites of whatever is dinner 


>*>- unless its
>*>spaghetti in which case he will eat all of it - should I just make him
>*>spaghetti everyday?
>*>
>*>Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
>*>
>*>Toni

YES YES YES - There is sometimes a week to 10 days that all my son (4YO) will eat is
pasta noodles with a bit of butter on them.... So I give it to him until HE asks me 
for something else - and they will eventually - the little guys (and girls) have a 
unique way of regulating themselves over a period of time as to the amount and variety 
of food they eat - It just sometimes doesn't jive with our idea as parents to have a 
3 balanced meals a day.... Don't worry about it.. but DO limit the junk food, so that 
isn't always a readily available alternative... Hope this helps

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From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 8 month old that bites & thanks
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:36:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Dec12.223603.11570
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

My daughter has 4 teeth and is cutting number 5 and 6. She has also
started bitting me. I don't know if she does it on purpose or is just
bitting to be bitting. She also bites the sleaves on her cloths. I know 
it could be because she is teething. What I'd like to know is will this
continue, do I need to reinforce her into not biting other people? Or 
will she stop when she isn't teething? I know it isn't good to compare
children, but my friends little boy manages not to bite others, so I know
it isn't something that all babies do. 

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth) 

ps. To those that gave me advice on how to help her over her cold---
I decided to let it run it's course and it cleared up on it's own.
Thanks anyways.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tama@anasazi.com (Tama McBride)
Subject: Funny things they say... (28mos)  Language development...
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:10:21 GMT

Ian is 2+ years old, and talking quite a bit now (finally!).  His favorite
question is "What's that?".  One day I was listening to Ian and daddy going
through things in the front seat of our jeep...  Ian pointed to the electric 
brake and daddy (David) told him that was for when the Jeep was towing 
a trailer the brake would help the jeep and trailer stop.  

Ian's reply was "Jeep broken?"

Boy, it's hard to keep a straight face, answer the child's question and 
explain why there's two meanings for one sound, and no the Jeep isn't 
broken.  David struggled, but I was farther away and just had tears 
in my eyes from laughter when daddy gave up and just called it something 
else.  :-)
-- 
Tama McBride  (beeper 602/498-1367, office 602/861-7679, e-mail tama@qip.UUCP)
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:36:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Dr. Dean Edell (was Re: A few facts about circumcision)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:

> My dad, on the other hand, was born at home 64 years ago.  He was not 
> circumsized and went through most of his life uncircumsized.  However, at the
> age of 56, due to medical complications caused from being uncircumsized,
> he HAD
> to get circumsized.  OUCH!!  For several weeks, he had wished he had been
> circumsized as a baby.  

  This is an important factor in the decision.  Similarly, parents
routinely have their babies' appendixes, tonsils, etc. removed shortly
after birth, so they won't have appendix-, tonsil-, or etc.-related
problems later in life.
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Speech Change in 4yo
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:45:12 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 8351@msdhsv.ingr.com, elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell) writes:
> I noticed something about my 4 year-old's speech that has
> me puzzled.  He has always spoken pretty well and his speech
> has been clear.  Over the past 2 weeks he has started to
> change his "r"'s to "uh"'s.  Bear with me while I try to 
> pronounce electronically.  For example, instead of "paper"
> being pronounced "pay - per", he will say "pay - puh",
> "Bear" goes to "Bay-uh", etc.
> When I correct him, he will say it correctly. 
> 
> When I was about his age, I remember having a similar speech 
> problem, and I became very shy as a result.
> 
> I am puzzled because it has come on fairly quickly after
> having very good speech.  He has not been sick or had any
> ear infections in a LONG time. I don't want to overreact 
> to a non-problem, but I am concerned.  It seems to be
> getting worse instead of better.
> 
> Anybody got any ideas?
> 
> Thanks (once again) for your advice.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ellen Howell                    *  "Ow: The first word spoken by children
> elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com *   with older siblings."
> (205)730-6873                   *                       -- Joyce Armorz
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki)
Subject: Re: Orajel
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:14:07 GMT

In article <28042@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
>
>|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
>|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
>|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
>|> have a scotch!
>
>Even if my pediatrician suggested that, I wouldn't do it.  I don't
>like the idea of giving an infant alcohol like that--especially as
>concentrated of alcohol as Scotch or vodka!
>
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

My pediatrician says that we shouldn't give them Oragel or any of
the other numbing agents.  Definitely not any alcohol for teething
pain.  He says the only way to relieve pain in an infant is using
baby tylenol.  The alcohol could give the baby a taste for it as
they grow older - well, that's my pediatrician's opinion - I do
tend to agre ...

-pam araki


--
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:09:42 GMT
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

In article <1992Dec18.223650.14227@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.142236.9445@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec16.200254.11118@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
                                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 [Yes you did - no I didn't argument deleted]

A minor gripe - the attributions on this thread have gotten messed
up.  I wasn't involved in the argument, so I would prefer that my
name not be associated with it...

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
From: meltsner@crd.ge.com (Kenneth J. Meltsner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Orajel
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:58:37 GMT
Reply-To: meltsner@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research and Development Center



Orajel works for the moment, baby Tylenol works for 3-4 hours but
takes about 10 minutes to kick in.  We found the sight of the Orajel
tube usually helped calm Billy down and we didn't need to use much.
Then we dosed him with Tylenol (which he hated -- he only liked
Walgreen's baby acetominophen, of all brands, but we don't have any
Walgreen's nearby).  Billy was a moderately bad teether, YMMV.

Do *not* use (adult) Ambesol -- it stings before the anesthetic kicks
in.  I wouldn't use Scotch whiskey for the same reason.  Try potential
remedies in your own mouth first, preferably on a nasty sore, before
trying them on the baby.

===============================================================================
Ken Meltsner                        | meltsner@crd.ge.com (518) 387-6391
GE Research and Development Center  | Fax:  (518) 387-6474
P.O. Box 8, Room KWD270		    | Nothing I say should be attributed
Schenectady, NY 12301               | to my employer, and probably vice-versa
"It's probable, just not very likely." -- Fire Maidens From Outer Space.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A question about older circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:51:51 GMT

In <71929@cup.portal.com> ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp) writes:

>Just wondering what necessitates circumcisions in males who
>were not circumcized as infants.

>Does anyone know the percentage of uncircumcized males who later
>require the proceedure (yes I'm sure that someone knows, but does
>someone know who can post the answer).

 We do know that in the USA about 20% of men not circumcised will
for one reason or another have the procedure carried out.
Contrast this with less tha 1% in Finland where boys are NOT
routinely circumcised!
Clearly medical bias and social issues play a very significant
part in the difference. 
With more contemporary parents leaving their sons "intact"
we can expect that percentage to drop,since much of it represents
the parent's after birth decision or the man/boy 's decision
for a social reason. Many men who are not circumcised believed themselves
inferior in days not too long past!

Much of the circumcision was done in the military which circumcised
without any manifest malfunction,just because the DOC believed in
them. A lot of HORROR stories concerning non-consentual circumcisions
come from those in the U.S. miliatry of old. Today's miliatry has
about 25 to 30% of its ranks intact. (minorities don't favor the
practice)

Excuse my typos.. I'm an average speller,but a lousy typist!

Gary

--
                       Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
              Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
              University of Vermont @ Burlington
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:33:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: yup

In article <1992Dec18.170656.23809@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>|> I think the emotion conjured up by 'we're pregnant' is unfairness.  While
>|> going through a very difficult and complicated pregnancy, I often wished it
>|> was my husband and not me who was pregnant 
>
>Isn't that funny?  I think pregnancy and baby-having is so cool and such a 
>thrill, I've actually felt SORRY for men that it was something they couldn't 
>do, and I've felt SMUG that my body was so much more "interesting" and 
>"complex", etc, etc.  It is only AFTER I have the baby that the fairness/
>unfairness issue surfaces for me.
>
>Anyone else feel that way?

Yup!  The first poster talks about a very difficult pregnancy,
which I'm sure could give rise to a sense of inequity.  All three
of my pregnancies were complicated by nothing worse than very mild
nausea and moderate sleepiness, and even though the deliveries
weren't quite a piece of cake, I share Jan's feelings that I
wouldn't have traded away the ability to go through it all even
if I could have.  Even after the babies arrived, I never gave
much thought to equity--I think I would have been jealous if my
husband was the one who had gotten to nurse them.

Sue




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: how to take baby out in snow without a car?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:43:09 GMT
Summary: a wagon


How about one of those good old fashioned red wagons?
The larger wheels should work on both snowed and cleared sidewalks/roads.

I used to use one wtih my one nephew when he was a toddler when we'd go
for long walks ---- walks that would be too long for his little legs,
plus he was too big for a stroller.  Plus, the wagon worked great going over
grassy areas and parks.  It was our "adventure" wagon.

Christine
5 more weeks ???

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