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From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: "Put Another Log On The Fire" et al
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Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.174040.8287@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes...
>In article <1992Nov16.081338.5372@ra.oc.com> herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson) writes:
> 
>>   I desperately need to words of the song which goes something along
>>the lines of "Put another log on the fire..." [Remainder deleted]
> 
>This rings bells, although not the ones with the title on 'em...the end line
>of the chorus, after "he" tells "her" a number of other chores to perform,
>says, "And come and tell me why you're leavin' me."  Hope that helps jog
>someone else's memory.
> 
> 
	Reroute question to .music.country_western

	An old song from about 10 years ago by Tom Paul ? dang, I seem to
	remember the spelling of his name being a littel different?

	The song is about a good-ol-boy who makes the average male chauvanist
	look like Woody Allen, who is totally non-plussed when his long-suffer-
	ing wife finally tells him where to shove it.

	I also seem to remember him doing a truck-driving song about a trucker
	racing a jogger, who beats him, and turns out to be Christ. (Or am I
	way off the mark?)

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:55:21 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <7169@news.duke.edu> cjs@phy.duke.edu (Carl Schnurr) writes:
>In article <3346@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
|>At work these days, I seem to be in a constant state of stress, and have
|>been thinking that some soothing music might help greatly.  What are people's
|>favorite calming folk tunes?  I like all kinds of folk music, so it can be
|>from any tradition, as long as it has a soothing effect.  Some pointers to
|>specific albums would be great.
|
|I've really enjoyed "When October Falls" (I may have that wrong).
|It's a compilation of lots of artists singing about fallish
|things.  People like: Cheryl Wheeler, Sally Fingerett, Judy Gold, etc.
|(they're all "modern" folk-singers).  It's available on Rounder.
|
|Enya's music is quite nice for background quiet stuff, though many on 
|this group seem to "poo-poo" her as being too new-agish or electronic
|or whatever.  You might like her, you might not.    
 
If you're going to listen to more new-agish artist anyway there's plenty
of other groups that a just as calming.  I had her first two albums and
listened to Sheppard Moons recently and it didn't do much for me.  She
was all the rage about six months ago but she's not mentioned as much now.

|I've also enjoyed "The Celtic Harp" (or something close to that, anyway)
|by Patrick Ball.  All traditional pieces played by a solo harp--quite
|soothing.  
 
As long we're on the subject of harp and Enya, Loreena McKennitt would
be a good artist for calming folk music.

|Oh, and David Wilcox's stuff (either of his cd's--another modern folk-
|singer) is mostly quiet, though some of the songs are quite sad.  :(
 
Ditto on David Wilcox.

I'd also include Mary Black.  

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From: wgreene@oldblev.lonestar.org (Wayne Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Put Another Log On The Fire" et al
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:51:48 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Old Blevins Productions

> >   I desperately need to words of the song which goes something along
> >the lines of "Put another log on the fire..." [Remainder deleted]
> 
> This rings bells, although not the ones with the title on 'em...the end line
> of the chorus, after "he" tells "her" a number of other chores to perform,
> says, "And come and tell me why you're leavin' me."  Hope that helps jog
> someone else's memory.
> 
You can find a version of this song by Tom Paul Glazer on
the "Outlaws" album on RCA.  This is best know for
Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings cuts.

   Wayne G./

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From: dschatz@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Schatz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Trotskyite Mammy
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:55:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov17.150953.11040@u.washington.edu> joe@evolution.u.washington.edu (Joe Felsenstein) writes:

>THAT TROTSKYITE MAMMY OF MINE

>Oh, that Trotskyite mammy of mine,
>'Twas from her that I got my first line
>Now I know she's in heaven
>'Cause she's lefter than Lenin,
>That Trotskyite mammy of mine.

>When we'd romp through the neighbor's back yard,
>Taking shots at the National Guard,
>We would mount barricades
>And we'd throw hand grenades
>While the kids marched around as the People's Brigades.

        [rest deleted]                                                     


It seems like there's a verse missing here.  I remember there was a verse in    
which the game described above is first introduced.   My dim recollection is
something like:
                As we'd play --?-- --?-- backdoor,
                Mammy taught me the game called "Class War"
                --?-- --?-- --?--,
                It was played underground,
                Where the best revolutions are technically found.
Obviously I'm missing a few words here.  Does anybody know them?
                                Dan Schatz
                                dschatz@ccwf.ccutexas.edu
                                "Folking my way to the top"


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From: howie@ivory.cc.columbia.edu (Howie Kaye)
Subject: Re: Sandy Denny
Reply-To: howie@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:41:12 GMT

In article <1e12ffINN8cu@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm K.  
Mulcahy) writes:
>>>>What happenned to Trevor Lucas? Is he dead? If so what from. I have a
>>>>60 min tape of a BBC Radio (1988) show, called WKWTTG about Denny, and  
Lucas 
>>>>is refered to - on the WKWTTG box set it says "In Memorium Trevor Lucas".
>>>
>>>He died in Australia shortly after the Denny box was finished. I never heard
>>>what of.  Talk about bad karma...
>>
>if you want REAL bad karma consider this: sandy's only sibbling, a brother,
>died in a car accident a few years after she did.  he had been her manager
>at various times
>
>and her mother died of cancer soon after that.
>
>that leaves old man Neil Denny (now 80ish) a bit on the lonely side.
>he and sandy's mother wrre on the sleeve of one of those early Fairport LPs
>
>

Didn't Sandy and Trevor have a daughter?

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From: rblackma@nyx.cs.du.edu (robert blackman)
Subject: Diddie Wah Diddie
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:20:54 GMT

I think Gerald Ross (Hi, Gerald!) is right that Blind Blake first
recorded this.  His version is on two Yazoo records, "Blind Blake"
(Yazoo 1068, a 2-LP set that's on cassette and CD) and "The Roots of
Rock" (Yazoo 1063, a great anthology of original versions of songs that
later become rock hits, on cassette and CD).  Both are available from
Elderly Instruments for $13.25 CD or $7.95 cassette.  (Call 517-372-7890
to order, request a catalog, whatever.)
I keep a copy of their catalog at work so I can answer things like this
when I'm not home....
elp

Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:7849 alt.guitar.tab:3860
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:33:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: GSP Whitewater Slalom Racing Team

In article <BxsK18.Lo8@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> gsu0013@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Kaminsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.193404.8296@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser) writes:
>>>That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed,
>>
>>Is this supposed to be 
>>That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed,
>
>No, according to the original sheetmusic, it's exactly as it should be.
>While I Know that it would make more sense as "crew was a bone to be
>chewed,"  alas, it is not.  Sometimes, I sing it that way though.  

A brief digression on why it actually makes some sense the way
Lightfoot wrote it:

Most of "The Wreck..." is written in a style that isn't heard too
much these days.  For starters, much of the entire song is written
in the passive voice, and most of the sentences take a couple
of lines to get to the actual subject, verb, and object.  It seems
to me that this makes the song more haunting and foreboding than
it might be otherwise, but I suppose that's just a matter of taste.

For example:

	In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
	in the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
	The church bell chimed 'til it rang 29 times,
	For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Lightfoot also makes use of some constructs that are considered
archaic in modern usage; "good ship and true" is one of them.
(Others include "The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead",
and "With a crew and good captain well seasoned".)
Perhaps we would tend to say "good, true ship", but that's not
as poetic -- or as consistent with the rest of the song, I think.

Cheers,
Rich
From: jbreslin@cs.strath.ac.uk (John A Breslin IE90)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: lyric request:"Bloody Well Dead"
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:52:35 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: jbreslin@fleming-06


 Can anyone fill me in with the lyrics to the above song (by "The Dubliners"
I think). The full title is :

 "Isn't it Grand Boys to be Bloody Well Dead"

 (or so I believe)

                            thanks

                                 John B.

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From: johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!DIR
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:15:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <844.3169.uupcb@synapse.org>, phil.st-amour@synapse.org (Phil St-Amour) writes:

> A Different Kind of Love Song
> Coppers and Brass
> Gaughan
> Handful of Earth
> Kist o' Gold
> No More Forever
> Parallel Lines (with Andy Irvine)
> True and bold (Songs of the Scottish Miners)
> 
> I know of at least a couple more:
> 
> I saw a live album (at the Edinburgh Folk Festival?) a few years back but 
> didn't buy it at the time.  I have not seen it since and haven't found it 
> in any of the mail order catalogs (Shanachie, Green Linnet, etc.).

This is "Live In Edinburgh", which is on the Celtic Music label (CM 030), 
a UK company.  I got my copy from Andy's Front Hall.  It's a wonderful 
recording, by the way, and the first one he made after the illness that 
threatened to end his singing career.  BTW, his singing is as gorgeous as 
ever on this recording.

> "Call It Freedom" which was mentioned here recently.
> 
> I think that Dick Gaughan had at least one song on an album called "Songs 
> of Peace" which I believe is a collection of songs by several artists.

One more for this list:

_The Boys of the Lough_.  Gaughan was one of the original members of this 
band, but left right after this album (which I think is their first).  His 
singing is featured on two songs -- a 9-verse rendition of "Andrew Lammie" 
and "Farewell to Whiskey" (the ballad, not the fiddle tune).

Also, "Different Kind of Love Song" and "Kist O' Gold" are now, sadly, out 
of print, and so, I believe, is "True and Bold".  The good news is that 
Green Linnet just picked up "Coppers and Brass" and has re-released it on CD!

Slainte,
-- John
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Contact for Irish and Scottish music of all sorts
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:48:41 GMT


I have a catalogue from Greentrax recently and I thought the details
might be of interest to people interested in all forms of Scottish/
Irish music.

Greentrax was originally set up as "Discount folk records", and is
now run by Ian D Green at:

Greentrax
3 Morven Street
Edinburgh
Scotland
EH4 7LG,   Tel: 031 339 4567

They sell compact disks, cassettes, videos, music and song books. They
don't stock vinyl.

Greentrax ships anywhere, and as well as ditributing folk records from
other companies, they also have their own record label.

The catalogue is 15 A5 pages, and is 50p, although I was sent mine for
free. It lists about 40 different artists on each page and so is a 
pretty extensive list. The subjects included are: Scottish (various
shades of folk from the traditional through to Runrig and Mouth Music),
Scottish compilations/collections, Irish, Irish compilations/collections,
English, Welsh, North American and a small selection from various
other contries in the world. There's also videos, music and song books
ranging from The Battlefield band and Christy Moore to Burns songs in
Gaelic.

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From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: _Songs from Fogarty's Cove_ (was Re: "Mary Ellen Carter"...)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:07:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Nov17.000739.16557
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon

In article <1992Nov16.045129.1884@Virginia.EDU> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
>_Songs from Fogarty's Cove_ songbook?  I haven't seen that
>before.  Who publishes it?  What form is the music in (piano,
>guitar tab, etc.)?  Where can I get it?

Let's see.  I can't remember who published it; if you send me a piece of
the reminding sort of email I'll look it up at home.  It has chords, melodies,
& lyrics, along with vague hints about the picking patterns.  No harmonies,
unfortunately.

It only has the first four albums, but it does have the covers as well as
Stan's original material, and it's helpful about things like tunings.

I stumbled on it in a folk/"world-beat"/esoterica record store, buried in a
bunch of unremarkable banjo and harmonica method books.

	NT
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From: davis@garlic.intellicorp.com (Nils Davis)
Subject: query: programmable audio tape recorders
Summary: Has anyone solved the "it's on the radio when I'm at work" problem?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:56:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ndavis@intellicorp.com
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: radio tape recording audio

Over the years I've missed a lot of good folk music on the radio
because I work during the times the shows are on. If the shows were on
TV, I'd have no problem, because I could use my VCR to tape them.
However, I don't have, and have never seen, a programmable audio tape
recorder, even if the length of standard cassettes allowed taping an
entire 1.5 to 2 hour radio show.

Has anyone out there come up with a solution to this problem? Some
possibilities might be: a) using a VCR to tape off the radio
(somehow), b) putting some kind of timer on a standard cassette
recorder, c) using a reel-to-reel recorder. Another future
possibility is the use of Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) or Digital
Audio Tape (DAT) recorders, some of which (judging from a picture in
an ad in Scientific American) may have timers built in.

I am lucky enough to have FM on my TV cable, which is attached to my
VCR, which suggests that I'm pretty close to having option a) above.
The question is how to make the VCR listen to FM frequencies (which
are low bandwidth) rather than TV frequencies (which are high
bandwidth). (Not that I've tried this yet -- the VCR is one of those
types that only receives 13 channels. I must twirl pots by hand to
set it to tune particular channels. It's possible I could receive FM
just by doing this.)

Anyway, if anyone has worked on this question, or worked it out, I'd
like to hear about it. 

Please reply by mail and I'll collate and post a summary of responses.

Thanks,

Nils Davis  ndavis@Intellicorp.com




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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Wendy Grossman?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:23:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

One of our favorite folk albums is "Roseville Fair" by Wendy Grossman
(yes, she sings the famous Bill Staines song on it). Her voice,
instrumental skills and selection of material are all superb - she
plays both banjo and guitar *very* well.  This album is quite old,
probably from the early 80s.  We have never seen anything else by
her and were wondering if anyone in netland knows of her and whether
she has done any more recordings. She's from the eastern US.

Richard Darsie
darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Runrig schedule?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 04:45:16 GMT

I recall reading a while back that Runrig was currently touring the US, but
the tour schedule that was posted was incomplete.  Are they still touring?
Where?  When?  (I'm most interested in hearing about New Mexico, Colorado,
Arizona, or West Texas.  Also Utah, very near Xmas.)  I don't suppose there
is an ftp site or server for tour schedules?

I just saw Battlefield Band last night -- great fun, and I'm all pumped up
for more concerts.

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From: jhenders@wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Subject: Re: Banjo tuning?
Organization: BC News and Mail
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:13:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.201916.26930@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Dorothy Westphal) writes:
>In article <BxyGDn.Hrw@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>>Brad Greer (brad@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
>>}   Can anyone tell me the standard tuning for a banjo?  It will be tuned
>>} from a guitar, so relating to a standard EADGBE guitar scale would be 
>>} a help.
>>} 

   < bluegrass and tenor tunings deleted>
>
>Third possibility is plecrum banjo, long neck like 5-string,
>but its 4 strings tuned (?) like 4 "normal" strings on 5, OR
>guitar (ukelele ) tuning, OR whatever you want.
>
>
     There are also a bunch of alternate " old timey " tunings for 
frailing and clawhammer styles. I can look them up and post the if
those are what you're interested in.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Did the Canadian Gordon Lightfoot 3-cd set get released yet?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:28:08 GMT

pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Wayne Francis) writes:
>
>The CD's were mastered from the original tapes, so the sound is much 
>improved over previous greatest hit compilation CDs from this period.

I believe that Wayne's reference is in comparison to the Capital of
Canada "60 Minutes With" series album.  (By the way, EMI acquired the
international rights to it sometime earlier this year, but I haven't
been into stores much lately to check that it's the same album.)

>I find the Sunday Concert material benefits especially.

It's a shame that they didn't find more material from that show!  The
only time that I've heard this album was from a scratchy vinyl copy
courtesy of the Winnipeg Public Library.  It was great!  But the vinyl
was out of print by then ...

gld
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From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: Where in the World is Carmen SanDiego?  And Rockapella?
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:53:43 GMT

I gather that Rockapella (sp?) is releasing their first CD this week and that 
they are going on a world tour...   Anyone have an idea when and where?

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