HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hozman@girtab.usc.edu (The Hoz!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Sally Forth stuff ... Was Re: stupid strips
Date: 7 Apr 1992 20:22:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu
Keywords: Sally Forth

 wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr) writes:

} -- but the writing is also bad.  The humor relies on
}attempts at Political Correctness (and I *HATE* political correctness),
}and just comes off as inane.  The office "humor" when Sally is at work
}makes Cathy seem like Pulitzer material in comparison.

Oh well, I guess you and I look for different things.  I _enjoy_ the
parodies of PC (I also _HATE_ PC) and how foolish it can make things
look.  To me, it tends to be very subtle humor, and I LOVE it.

}Now, about that question over the artwork, what happened was this: Howard
}hired a real artist, because I guess he realized he couldn't draw.  He
}was happy about this because now his stories would not be limited to the
}living room or other easy places to draw.  However, when the new artist
}drew in hisown new (and infinitely more talented) style, people actually
}wrote in to complain, and demand the old style back (you know, the one
}where Hilary has this pony-tail growing out of the side of her head,
}Sally's do looks like a cut-out recycled from panel to panel, Ted has a
}butt big enough to make him look like a woman, and all of them have these
}deformed C-clamp-like hands).  SO this poor Mac guy has to start immitating
}the old and bad style of Howard.  Imagine what it must feel like:  you
}are a semi-talented artist, but you can't break into the field, so you
}are forced to work on somebody elses strip (somebody who can't draw,
}by own admission, yet has a strip), and then the ultimate insult, you
}have to emulate his style.

Thanks for the info Karl, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about
all facets of Sally Forth.  While the artwork may not have been Bill
Watterson quality, It got the point across.  I don't look for 
unbelievable artwork.  I want drawings that get the point across and
don't look TOO childish.  I liked Howard's smoother style, and I dislike
Mac's harsher, more angular style.



}>-- 
}>                    ' ",      *
}>Karl Wagenfuehr         ,         "Weisst du, wieviel Sternlein stehen an dem
}>wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu  ,  '      blauen Himmelszelt?"  --Deutsches Volkslied
-- 
|   "Marriage is a punishment for    |     See you in The Funny Pages,     |
|    shoplifiting in some places."   |     The Hoz!!!  (Samuel Hozman)     |
|               -- Wayne Campbell,   |        hozman@aludra.usc.edu        |
|                 _Wayne's World_    | Fight On, USC Trojans!  Go Lakers!! |
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: irving@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Myers)
Subject: Re: I Go Pogo
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:36:44 GMT

In <1992Apr7.215137.27898@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:

>ide@studio.enet.dec.com (Jamie Ide) writes:

>>Anyone else out there follow Pogo?  
>I follow the original strip.

>>What do you think of the present incarnation
>After a year, it seemed to be hitting a stride, but it wasn't Walt
>Kelly. Occasionally the characters would say the wrong thing, and the
>tone of the strip was far too strident. Kelly always saw the humor in
>everything, the new authors harangued us with their political views
>far beyond the point of humor.

My mom (sorry) followed the original, and she says "It ain't the same."  I
like it 90% of the time.  Some of the stuff doesn't play for me.

Pogo For President - all the way!
-- 
Tom Myers, Programmer/Analyst				Email: t-myers@nwu.edu
Reingold ECG Center - Northwestern University
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: M19249@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.211720.5157@rsg1.er.usgs.gov>
ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder) writes:
 
>My favorite calvin story:
>
>Remember the series where Calvin duplicates himself and the duplicate
>produces duplicates of himself? So it ended up that there are 5 or so
>Calvins running around.
>
>-Steve-
 
Is that the series where the 'good' Calvin is ruining the 'regular' Calvin's
reputation for naughtyness?
My personal favorite goes: (Please excuse the verbatim  copyright infringement)
Panel 1 - Calvin: 'Hey dad, I'll guess any number you're thinking of! Go ahead,
             pick a number!
          Dad:    'MM... OK, I've got it.
Panel 2 - Calvin: 'Is it 92,356,051?
          Dad:    'By golly, it is!
Panel 3 - Calvin wide eyed with hair on end staring from the page, speechless.
Panel 4 - Calvin: 'Wait a minute! You're just trying to get *RID* of me,
             aren't you?!
          Dad: 'No, you're psychic. Go show mom.'
I love this one for its pace, humor, and concept.  It just has enough of the
right stuff.  The mathematical improbability of panel two does my heart good,
but the 'Go show mom' is almost as funny.
-DW
"Standard disclaimer applies"
From: jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan D. Lyness)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: C&H: Merchandising (was Re: HOBBES (of C&H) Bumper Sticker)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:07:34 GMT
	<1992Apr11.000136.19866@urbana.mcd.mot.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <kub95aINNl9j@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, kallen@cs.utk.edu (Karl
Allen) writes:
|> Charles Schultz.  Never had others do his work, doesn't do all
|> sorts of other things that might distract him from his cartooning
|> <like direct movies, or write science fiction> and IMHO Peanuts is
|> as good now as ever. <I know, there's a lot of disagreement on that
|> point. Hence the IMHO.>
>
>mbraun@neptune.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matthew Braun):
>Yes, you'd receive a lot of argument without the IMHO. ;-)  Peanuts
>borders on the cliched at times, but it occasionally surprises me,
>and comes up with a funny strip.  The reason, however, that it seems
>cliched is that *he* was the one who came up with the (current day)
>cliches back when they were original jokes!  I get the feeling all too
>often when I read the strip that he's repeating himself.  

As a point of interest . . . and no, this is not certainly not meant as
an attack on Calvin and Hobbes, but - when I read the first book of
Calvin and Hobbes strips (back before their popularity had really taken
off), it occured to me that a fair number of Calvin's
in-trouble-at-school strips seemed, if not "borrowed" from old Peanuts
strips, then at least "reminiscent" of them. C& H is certainly one of
the best and most original strips out there, but I've always thought
that "Peanuts" was probably one of Watterson's early influences.


-jon
From: jameskau@phakt.usc.edu (James Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Funky Winkerbean
Date: 9 Apr 1992 16:38:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr09.122319.11831@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>Judging from the fact that all of the characters in Funky Winkerbean
>are going to be graduating this year, I get the impression that the
>artist is planning to retire the strip.
>
>Can anyone confirm that?>
>-- 
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:: Craig Smith                                         csmith@onetouch.COM ::
>:: Columbus, OH                                  ...!uunet!onetouch!csmith ::

I read in the San Diego Union that Batiuk is not retiring, merely changing
the strip.  I think that he's going to skip Funky's college experience, and
go to Funky working, and somehow connected to the high school.  There was
also some talk about how he's going to continue to deal with deeper issues
(i.e. the recent thing with teen pregnancy)
BTW, I interviewed Tom Batiuk for my high school newspaper a few years back.
Nice guy.  Didn't get too much interesting stuff, though...I remember him
saying that his oldest kid wasn't yet in high school, and I wondered what
his connection w/high school was, then.  Anyway....Hope that helps.
James Kaufman
jameskau@aludra.usc.edu
















Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: For Better or for Worse
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:14:28 -0500

Does anyone else follow this strip? Its been my favorite for
awhile. It can be poignant and at times uproariously funny. I've
been following the progress of the family for years now.

Tank McNamara also rates high on my list.


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala
Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach
Bitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Best Far Side
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:25:35 GMT
Reply-To: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

I just thought of another...

The Co-pilot of the plane yells out "AAAH! The fuel light is on. We're running
out of fuel!! We'll all die!! Oh wait, that's the intercom light."

The look on the passengers' faces are classic.
From: tsang@cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: stupid strips
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:56:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <> fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
>
>I hate to say it, but I think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is
>the dumbest strip, at least in the Boston Globe anyway. It
>takes FOREVER to get anywhere, and the artists must think the
>people reading it have no memory because they spend a lot of
>time repeating previous action to bring you up to speed. "Last
>week, the Turtles went through the sewer.  Here's anther
>drawing of it!"  

You think that's bad?  Here in Seattle, there are two cooperating/
competing papers, the Times and the Post-Intelligencer.  The Sunday
comics carry titles from both papers.

The Times carries Calvin and Hobbes, Robotman, Foxtrot, Adam; the PI
carries TMNT, Blondie, Broom Hilda, Ziggy, and Snuffy Smith.

Obviously, I subscribe to the Times (their news reporting is also
slightly better, but that has little bearing...)

TMNT on Sunday, though, is the MOST POINTLESS THING TO EVER HIT THE
COLOR COMIX.  What do we get?  Childrens' drawings of the "kewl"
Turtles.  Bleach!!!!!!  Once a week, and what do we get?  No story.

-- 
Donald Tsang                    "Ho!  Haha!  Guard!  Turn!  Parry!  Dodge!
tsang@june.cs.washington.edu     Spin!  Ha!  Thrust!"
..!uw-beaver!june!tsang                       -- Robin Hood Daffy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman)
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  9 Apr 92 22:17:39 GMT


smbaker@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Svlad Cjelli) writes:

>In article <7467@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>]What is your FAVOURITE Far Side cartoon?
>]
>]
>]	CAT FUD.
>]
>]	Oh please, oh please.
>]
>]
>]
>Personally, I like the one with the dog Fifi running toward the pet
>door that has been nailed shut.  

>Of course I hone have my FS book with me, but that is the best one
>I can think of right now...

I personally like the one that goes: "20 Million Years Ago, When Cows
Ruled the Earth", and has a "Cowasaurus" (??).

--Kevin


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith)
Subject: Peanuts
Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:42:45 GMT

When I went to college, I adopted the nickname Charlie Brown because of
my deep love for the strip.

Unfortunately, Schulz seems to have lost it.  He hasn't done anything
good since the early 70's.  I've caught him repeating strips a lot
lately.  It's a shame.

The day is stops running I'll just shake my head and say "I saw it coming."

Sorry, people.  I loved the strip, but its empty now.
-- 
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Craig Smith                                         csmith@onetouch.COM ::
:: Columbus, OH                                  ...!uunet!onetouch!csmith ::
::::::::::::::: "Life is a fulltime occupation."--Gene Kalman :::::::::::::::
From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Bad college strips (was Re: stupid strips)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:32:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr10.183239.5910
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.231529.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> axd7104@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>>I was actually rather disappointed that they dropped it; it
>>always seemed fitting to me that the world's worst college paper ran the
>>world's worst strip.

>You obviously haven't read the Daily Illini (Daily Illiterate, Daily Idiot).
>It does have a good comics page, though, with the excellent local strip
>"Go Die".


Not to mention "Bob 'n' Dave", though the quality on that seems to have 
dropped lately.

Blondie: 'Time for work, Dagwood'
Dave: 'Fuck you, buddy!'


Tom    tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: taube@oregon.uoregon.edu (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon

Dirk brings his family tree to class...

(Of course only a good friend of mine is called Dirk--I guess
as soon as enough people discover that this one is out on
a postcard, he will get bombed with them ;-)

Christian.
--
(If you want to see the bilder deepen your ear on the movietone!) FW 062.08
---- Christian Taube -- taube@oregon.uoregon.edu + taube@oregon.BITNET ----
-------------------- Scientific progress goes 'boink'? --------------------
Disclaimer: I don't speak for the University of Oregon, nor does it for me.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Subject: Re: New Comics-only paper? (was Chicago Tribune Comics Section)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 12:55:31 GMT

Forgot to mention -- the same people who put out the paper called Strips also
do a 24-page paper of U.S. editorial cartoons called The National Gallery.  
The info address is the same as for Strips:  Associated Features Inc., 
P.O. Box 7099, Fairfax Station, VA  22039.


-- 
Carol Springs                      carols@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Comics Section
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.030036.647@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>> 
>>|> >>>>>>The Far Side                      B- B+ A+ A+ A  A  A+ A+
>>|> >>>>>>Peanuts                           B  B  B  B  B  A- B+ B
>>|> >>>>>>Dick Tracy                        B- B- D  D  C  C  ?  ?
>>|> >>>>>>Brenda Starr                      C  D  F  F  D  C- B  ?
>>|> >>>>>>Walnut Cove                       B+ D  ?  ?  F  C- ?  ?
>>|> >>>>>>Fox Trot                          A  A- A  ?  A  A+ A  A+
>
>[remainder deleted]
>
>	Unfortunately, this list should probably be considered valid no
>longer.  Somebody seems to have changed the grades that previous people
>assigned.

Are you sure about this?  Mine (Column #3) have been right in all recent 
followups...

if you think yours were changed, prehaps there are multiple followups to the
same post, some of which do not include yours.  (A tree-like structure).

Now, if we see a few "F"'s for FarSide or Calvin&Hobbes, then you'd have 
reason to be suspicious. :)


-- 
  "It begins here--an army--to bring sense to a world plagued by worse than
   thieves and murderers. This will be a good life... good enough."
             Bruce Wayne, "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns"
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                             Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: Outland vs. Bloom County (WAS Re: Calvin and Hobbes)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:41:42 GMT

In article <54290@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4646a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Beauchamp) writes:
> Karl Wagenfuehr writes:
>> [...]   Plus Opus' voice was all wrong :-)
>
>My theory is, everyone who reads Bloom County/Outland mentally "hears" 
>their own voice when Opus speaks. Opus is a sort of Everypenguin. Thus,
>when an actor is hired to do Opus' voice on a TV special, everybody's
>going to think that Opus' voice is all wrong (except for the actor
>himself, who will think he nailed it exactly).  
>
I agree completely, and that's why I put in those smileys.  Every time
a cartoon character gets a voice, it's always all wrong to just about
evetybody -- though no one agrees what the right voice *is*.

Back when I cared about Garfield and they were making his first TV
shows, I thought the got his voice all wrong, of course.

I think the only times the voice seems "right" is when you see the
cartoon *first* -- I think I accept the Peanuts voices because I more
or less saw them first.
-- 
                    ' ",      *
Karl Wagenfuehr         ,         "Weisst du, wieviel Sternlein stehen an dem
wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu  ,  '      blauen Himmelszelt?"  --Deutsches Volkslied
                          '
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith)
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes
Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
Distribution: su
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:36:24 GMT
Keywords: Names

sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:

>Questions for fellow Calvin and Hobbes fans:

>1) What is Calvin's last name?
>	- I have not read a single strip where his last name is 
>	  mentioned.  (But I haven't read them all.)
>2) What are Calvin's parents' first names?
>	- They always call one another by Dear etc.


>Please help...

I've never noticed, but you're right! I don't think Watterson has
ver mentioned Calvin's last name, or the name of his parents.

I think this is intentional, as it is taken from the viewpoint of
Calvin, to whom last names have little meaning, Dad is Dad, and
Mom is Mom.

Anyone else care to guess as to the reason?
-- 
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Craig Smith                                         csmith@onetouch.COM ::
:: Columbus, OH                                  ...!uunet!onetouch!csmith ::
::::::::::::::: "Life is a fulltime occupation."--Gene Kalman :::::::::::::::
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Mass sexism and racism in Beetle Bailey
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:05:02 GMT

n8742883@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Perry Pederson) writes:


 * 	Is anyone else out there slightly bothered by the sexism and
 * racism that the Beetle Bailey strip has? 

nope.

You bring up lots of points that would make Beetle Bailey distasteful
if it were serious, but the caricatures of real life in that strip
are supposed (according to my American Heritage Dictionary :-) to be
absurd exaggerations. 

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: re:family circus
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 21:58:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Here's a sample of "The Family Circus":


(old dead guy playing volleyball on some clouds with other old dead people
-Jeffy placing flowers on a grave-father crying)

Jeffy:  Is grandpa sleeping under this grass?
Father: (wiping his eyes) Yes Jeffy, this is where grandpa lives.


Can someone come up with a good example of "Nancy"?  I haven't read it
in years, so it's not fresh in my mind.
From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Merchandising: What's unethical about it
Date: 10 Apr 1992 14:17:03 -0700
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.174012.6911@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>Regarding the applauding of Watterson and his decision
>not to merchandise Calvin & Hobbes stuff:
>
>I don't see what is unethicl about it. ... We enjoy the shirts,
>and I don't think it represents anything "unethical" or "selling out."

  I don't think merchandising is unethical or wrong per se. The gimmick with
Watterson/CALVIN & HOBBES, though, is that merchandising makes _him_ feel
uncomfortable, and he won't have it done with his strip.

  Considering how much pressure the man must face from assorted solicitors,
the fact that he has the guts to stand firm for what HE believes in is what
I (and probably many of the other people here) applaud. I buy T-shirts and
knick-knacks for my favorite "fictional" characters, and I don't see it as
"selling out" either.

  If I had a mega-popular comic strip, I'm not sure if I could/would have the
strength of character to make such a stand (then again, maybe I do like the
idea of sharing "real" versions of my characters with everyone else). I guess
it's less "Bill's not selling out!" and more "Bill's got the guts to stand for
what he believes!"...

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

"A thousand stuffed Hobbes doll turns the character into a knick-knack."
                                --Bill Watterson, paraphrased

P.S. I recall reading somewhere that Bill Watterson doesn't hate merchandising
per se -- he just doesn't think it'd be right for C&H. He cited THE FAR SIDE
as a perfect comic strip that doesn't lose its flavor when merchandised...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Send mail to rjung@usc.edu           Any time, any place, any game -- Lynx Up!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Babs: "I'd be terrific! Colossal! Stupendous! Mediocre even!"
Aide: "You are applying for the position of President of the United States?"
                      --Buster's Guide to Part-Time Jobs, TINY TOON ADVENTURES

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: trombley-sarah@CS.YALE.EDU (Sarah Trombley)
Subject: Arnold (sniffle)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:26:07 GMT

_I_ remember "Arnold!"  I adored that strip, and I think I still have at
home an enlarged panel with Arnold yelling at the teacher, "Are you
saying I'm not precious?!?"  The strip was very popular in Detroit--the
reaction to its cancellation was so strong that the author (I forget his
name) wrote to the Free Press to thank us, and even drew a little "in
memoriam" panel...Tommy the Goon Boy standing by Arnold's grave ("Eaten
by a giant bird") saying, "Here's a nice article in the Free Press..."
Alas, I have never been able to find a compilation.

"AIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!"
-- 
Sarah Trombley, villain codependent               trombley@minerva.cs.yale.edu
"I try to know what I need to know.  I make sure to know what I want to know."
							--Nero Wolfe
								Anita lives!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips