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Date: Thursday, 31 December 1992 16:55:13 PDT
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From: "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@infoserv.com>
Organization: Ishi Press International
Subject: Re: Gameboy go?
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Distribution: world

Mark Boon is working for Nintendo porting Goliath.  That might be it.
But he isn't done, and I don't know how to get one.

A few years ago, there was a 9 x 9 GO cartridge for the GameBoy,
but I heard it sucked (not surprising).


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From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: electronic magazine (Re: GO World in trouble)
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:03:21 GMT

yang@titan.ucc.umass.edu (HUAYONG YANG) writes:

>I have an idea: why can't we publish a free electronic Go magazine?

Great Idea! Count me in if you need any help! I could contribute
by submitting games from the Japanese Go scene.

>As far as I know, there is a free electronic magazine called Hua Xia Wen
>Zhai that many Chinese here love to read; another example is GameByte
>that circulates in game players community. If they can do it, we can do
>it. What we need are volunteers to organize the magazine and people's
>contribution. Count me as one if one is needed to do chores (sp?).

>BTW, I think ychen's series of articles would be fit for the magazine
>if there were one.

Right, that would make a very nice column indeed.

>Comments are welcome.

Anyway, I would hate to see "Go World" die... The editors (Richard
Bozulich and John Power) are doing a great job over many years and
deserve all the support we can possibly give them.
The electronic medium is a great thing but in the end nothing can
beat real books in my opinion.

Again, a great idea bn!

Jan van der Steen

-- 
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     Jan van der Steen                 jansteen@cwi.nl
     Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI)
     Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: davies@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Mingren beats Meijin
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:59:56 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

Results of the Meijin-Mingren playoff:
   1st game (Dec. 15): won by Ma Xaiochun (Mingren, China)
   2nd game (Dec. 17): won by Kobayashi Koichi (Meijin, Japan)
   3rd game (Dec. 18): won by Ma
The games were played in Tokyo. China has its first victory.
--jd
From: yang@titan.ucc.umass.edu (HUAYONG YANG)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: electronic magazine (Re: GO World in trouble)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:43:29 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu

In article <8514@charon.cwi.nl> jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen) writes:
>I wrote:
>
>>I have an idea: why can't we publish a free electronic Go magazine?
>
>Great Idea! Count me in if you need any help! I could contribute
>by submitting games from the Japanese Go scene.

Thanks a lot!

>
>Anyway, I would hate to see "Go World" die... The editors (Richard
>Bozulich and John Power) are doing a great job over many years and
>deserve all the support we can possibly give them.
>The electronic medium is a great thing but in the end nothing can
>beat real books in my opinion.
>

Agreed. An e-magazine is less formal than a real magazine, thus any
articles that might not fit in Go World can be published in an
electronic Go magazine as well as those articles which do.
Basically an e-magazine is a complementary to Go World.

bn 2k
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:00:51 EST
From: Per Fjelstad <PEF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Help me "self-extract" PCIGC44Z.EXE

I am interested in playing some games on IGS.  My mainframe account is on a
VM machine, for which no client programs seem to be written.  I logon, however,
from a PC at home.  Thus I have been hoping that I could use PCIGC44Z.EXE to
manage that connection for me.

I downloaded PCIGC44Z.EXE via ftp from u.washington.  I read in an earlier note
in this newsgroup that this program was "self-extracting."  I imagined this to
mean that if I got it to my PC, then all I would need to do is type the
filename and it would transform itself into a working program.  I believe I got
the file intact to my PC today.  Yet my prediction did not hold.  The first
time I typed the filename, my PC rebooted itself.  The second time, the cursor
moved down a line on the screen, but the computer did not even appear to read
off the disk.  The third time, the cursor moved down a line, displayed perhaps
seven graphics characters, and then idled again as it had the second time.
Clearly something is not working properly.  Perhaps you can help me locate my
mistake.

I introduced one possibly significant irregularity in transferring the file to
my home computer.  I needed to reduce the record length to get VM's command
"pctrans" to move the file.  I did this by running it through VM's simulations
of the Unix "Compress" _and_ "Decompress" commands.  On the return "Decompress"
operation, I choose an option that reduced the length of the records in the
output file.  With this done, I was able to download the file to my PC.

1.   Might I have distorted the file by sending it through that sequence?

2.   Or was my original understanding wrong that I just needed to type the
     filename, once the file was on my PC, to get a working program?

Thanks for your help,

Per Fjelstad (3k),
Rhetorical Studies
Dept. of Speech Communication
Penn State University
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: gadam@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Guido Adam)
Subject: Zobrist Hash Coding
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 09:54:42 GMT
Keywords: zobrist,go,hashcode


Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Subject: Re: Funny problem
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:18:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152349.20907@irisa.fr> giordano@irisa.fr writes:
>
>Here's another strange problem, easier than the previous one, but very confusing too.
>
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # . . O . . # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # O . . . O # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . O O # # # # # O O . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # O O O O O # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # . . # . . # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # # # . # # # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
> -------------------------------------
>
>Black to save his five surrouded stones.
>

How about this:
>
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # . . O 1 . # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # O . . . O # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . O O # # # # # O O . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # O O O O O # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # . . # . . # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . # # # . # # # . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
>|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
> -------------------------------------

White has some choices and I tried and none of them
can stop black to escape.

-- 
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated		mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		uupsi!ptsys1!mliu
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: randy@unix.ecs.rpi.edu (Randall Bradley)
Subject: Re: WANTED ALBANY NY players
Organization: Rensselaer Design Research Center, RPI, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:22:37 GMT


Still looking for ALBANY NY area players...


any level. 

Replies should go to :randy@rdrc.rpi.edu

NOT TO THE ADDRESS ON THE HEADER!!

OR, phone via (518) 756-9894 eveneings.

Hoping someone around here plays GO.


		-_-randy_-_



Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: tak@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov (Tom Kreitzberg)
Subject: National Differences in Go
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: rec.games.go
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:38:55 GMT

The posts regarding the Sino-Japanese Meijin matches make me wonder whether
there are particular differences in the style of go between China and
Japan. For example, would it be possible to look at a game record and
know whether the players (assumed professionals) were both Chinese or
both Japanese? Are there recognizable distinctions in style among different
cultures?

	Tom Kreitzberg, 29 kyu
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: 9X9 Go
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:39:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

|> These two together make it ideal for teaching people the rules. And with
|> a proper handicap (versus me it's 4 stones on the 3-3 points)

This is an interesting point.  Some while ago at a tournament, we whiled away
happy hours trying to determine whether, in a 9x9 game with black playing with a
handicap of 4 stones, on the 3-3 points, should the optimal result be a whole
board victory to black ?   With optimal play, can white get a group to live ?

It was overwhelmingly agreed that the four 3-3 points was the optimal place for
black to put the stones; but opinion was evenly divided as to whether or not
white could get a group.  Play between equals suggested probably not.

Has anyone else investigated this problem ?

Any opinions ?

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Bill Trylor. q e  rwft@maih.casterkury.aa.n! 
Tiel Tryloco quer rwst@maihuc sterkesy.ga.n!
Thelworydoco quer rwsi@mvihus strikesy.gain!
The world conqueror sig-virus strikes again!
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Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck)
Subject: Shirayanagi's YUGO
Originator: bmb1021@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:52:04 GMT

I just recieved _The_Go_Player's_Almanac_ for Yule, and I read about
Kiyoshi Shirayanagi's YUGO computer go program.  According to the book,
it is based on fundamentally different ideas than Dragon, Nemisis,
Goliath, Many Faces of Go, or any of the other available computer go
programs, trying to use the same concepts as human players to play the
game.  Shirayanagi apparantly wrote the game as a research project.

I have not been able to find mention of this program in the FAQ, nor
have I heard of it before.  What I'd like to know is is it available in
any form?  What has been written about it?  Does anyone know anything
about it?  

The techniques the article described for it intrigue me.  I want to
learn more about it.

Thank you for your assistance.


-- 
-----
Buddha Buck            bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: IGS? IGS-servers?
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:25:11 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


What is IGS/IGS-server? Is is a server with which players can play
each other? How do I use it?

E-mail answers preferred.
-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (The Human Mi-Go)
Subject: Re: Funny problem
Originator: bcannard@hppcb36
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:55:43 GMT
Reply-To: bob_cannard@mentorg.com
Organization: Yuggoth Ores and Quality Used Brains
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <BzoqJq.MnB@sci.kun.nl>, hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
|> In <1992Dec22.200555.2383@news.mentorg.com> bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (The Human Mi-Go) writes:
[kiri]
|> 
|> >If White turns South instead, Black forces him into a dead end. White
|> >cannot get the extra liberty needed to tennuki, and is forced to return
|> >to the north, giving Black the ladder as above.
|> 
|> I'm not convinced:
|> 
|> >|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . . . # . . O . . # . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . . . # O . . . O # . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . 1 O O # # # # # O O . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . 3 2 # O O O O O # . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . 5 4 # . . # . . # . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . 9 8 6 # # # . # # # . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . b a 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|> >|. . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|> > -------------------------------------
|> 
|> And White has escaped.  Black 5 at 6 doesn't work either.

White has not escaped.
Repeat the pattern at right, and Black gets the extra help
needed to snuff White.

|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
|. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .|
|. . . . . . # . . O . . # . . . . . .|
|. . . . . 5 # O . . . O # . . . . . .|
|. . . . # O O # # # # # O O # . . . .|
|. . . . # O # O O O O O # O # . . . .|
|. . . . # O # . . # . . # O # . . . .|
|. . . # O O # # # . # # # O O # . . .|
|. . . # O # 6 . . . . 3 2 # O # . . .|
|. . . . O . 7 . . . . . . 4 O 1 . . .|
 -------------------------------------

7 can run along the bottom line until rescued by 3.

	Bob
-- 
bob_cannard@mentorg.com			"More dynamite!" - Theron Marks
From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: GO World in trouble
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:43:43 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bang.hal.com

In article <765343d6228600t42@anton.infoserv.com> anton@infoserv.com (Anton Dovydaitis) writes:
>Any GO World subscribers probably already know that GO World is trouble,
>and is in danger of being cancelled.  If you want GO World to continue
>publication, I strongly suggest that you subscribe or extend your
>subscription at the new rate, even if you still have issues left on
>your sub.

But Anton, I already bought a *lifetime* subscription!

Everybody else, please send Ishi Press all your spare change and tell them
it's to keep Go World alive!  Sign up at the new rate.  Whatever it takes.
Mortgage your house if necessary.

A public service message from a totally disinterested party, :-)

	Howard A. Landman
From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: IGS
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:24:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I haven't been able to get on IGS as a new user either (and I in-
clude the port number 6969).  Maybe Cleveland Freenet strips port
numbers for some reason.  Does anyone have any ideas what we might
be doing wrong?

Max Golem, 5-dan.
--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:06:34 EST
From: <GDH3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: out-of-print books wanted

I would like to buy "GO PROVERBS ILLUSTRATED" and "THE SECOND
BOOK OF GO" by Bozulich.  I don't know where to find them.
Any help will be appreciated.  Mitch Timin,
FAX number is 814/234-2490, or use the net address, or voice
phone 814/234-8090.  Thanx, Mitch.
From: xeons!xeon.the.mage@midiline.la.ca.us (Xeon The Mage) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: RULES FOR SHOGI?
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: xeons!xeon.the.mage@midiline.la.ca.us (Xeon The Mage) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Xeon's Magic Shop BBS - Canyon Country - CA - 805-250-0627

Yeah the ishi press puts out a shogi for beginners book.
Date: Thursday, 31 December 1992 16:45:48 PDT
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13
From: "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@infoserv.com>
Organization: Ishi Press International
Subject: Re: 9X9 Go
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Distribution: world

I often do GO demonstrations at shopping malls and game conventions,
and on 9 x 9 board, I give a new player as many as nine stones to place
anywhere they want (they're usually over-concentrated).  I do this
because:

	1) They'll almost certainly win (why not?).
	2) They appreciate how handicaps even up the game.
	3) The game is over really quickly.
	4) There are no tactical complications.
	5) You can get to the point of counting very quickly,
	   before you've lost their attention.

Using this method, I can teach someone how to play GO, play them a
quick game, and lose to them, all in FIVE MINUTES.  That's what it
takes to sell GO.


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408/944-9900 voice			San Jose, CA  95134
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Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Subject: program to convert SmartGo file to Ishi Standart format
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:12:46 GMT

I have written a short program that converts go game files
written in SmartGo (mgt) format to Ishi Standard format.
Adrian has put 2 files in public/go/prog on
milton.u.washington.edu:

-rw-r--r--  1 6809     wheel        6435 Dec 18 16:18 sg2ishi05.sh.Z
-rw-r--r--  1 6809     wheel       11970 Dec 18 16:18 sg2ishi05.zip

the first file consists of source code and other text files as
a shell archive. The second file has the same ascii files plus
an executible version of the program for msdos computers.
Don't forget to check the readme file.  Have fun & play go!

John Unger
junger@mtn.er.usgs.gov
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Help me "self-extract" PCIGC44Z.EXE
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:05:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <92365.000051PEF2@psuvm.psu.edu> Per Fjelstad <PEF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>I introduced one possibly significant irregularity in transferring the file to
>my home computer.  I needed to reduce the record length to get VM's command
>"pctrans" to move the file.  I did this by running it through VM's simulations
>of the Unix "Compress" _and_ "Decompress" commands. On the return "Decompress"
>operation, I choose an option that reduced the length of the records in the
>output file.  With this done, I was able to download the file to my PC.
>
>1.   Might I have distorted the file by sending it through that sequence?

  yes.  you probably did.  the .exe file is already compressed, so it wont
do to compress & uncompress it another time.  if there is a way to move it
"as is", in binary mode, to the PC without any emulations getting in the way,
then that is the way to go.  however, if you cant ftp from the PC to the
archive site, and the Vax doesnt allow you to move it "as is" without some
fiddling with the record size, then you may be stuck.  :-(

i use a version of ftp on my PC to move from my mainframe area to my PC.
maybe its the constraints of "pctrans" that is intractable.
>
>2.   Or was my original understanding wrong that I just needed to type the
>     filename, once the file was on my PC, to get a working program?

as adrian pointed out (new for me too!), the pkunzip program will unzip a
self-extracting archive and try to inform you of errors.  the problem may
be that by the time the file made it to your PC (i think) it is corrupted.
>
>Per Fjelstad (3k),

this isnt any help - just speculation!
From: zpy@lpf.umd.edu (Zhiping You)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: University of Maryland Open Go Championship
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:59:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


		Tournament Annoncement

	University of Maryland Open Go Championship

  This is the third Open Go Championship organized by the University
of Maryland Go Club. The first two tournaments (which were in Jan. of
1990 and 1991) were very successful. We had about 50 players at each
tournament and we expect more to come this year. The tournament is AGA
rated. 

Format:

  Five round tournament,  open to all players.
  Time limit: 1 hour per player and 20 moves in 5 minutes for overtime.

Schedule:

  Sat. Jan. 9th  9:30 - 10:00 Registration
  Sat. Jan. 9th  10:30 First Round
  Sun. Jan. 10th 12:00 Fourth Round

Place: 

  University of Maryland College Park Campus
  Tortugal Room (inside Stamp Student Union)

Tournament Fee: $20.
  
Contact Person: 

  Gang Li   (301)422-2659
  Gang Chen (301)209-0057 gchen@math.umd.edu

Direction: 
  
  Take I-95, get on the Washington Beltway (part of which is still
called I95), exit at U.S. Route 1 (exit No. 25.), take south along
Route 1. After a couple of miles you will see a Jerry's Pizza on you
right. Cross a small bridge after Jerry's Pizza, make a right into the
campus (east entrance). Follow that road, you will see a sign for
public parking. Ask any person for Stamp Union.





-- 
Zhiping You
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn)
Subject: Re: slam bidding problem
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:53:48 GMT

 zhang@me.utoronto.ca (Xiaodong Zhang) writes:
We play precision, my hand is: 
S: AKQJ987
H: -
D: AKQ
C: XXX

my partner open 1C! (16+ hcp), the bidding is:

pard  I
1c!   1S
2h    3S
4c    4nt
5s*   5nt
6d    7nt

* we use RKC

The full hand is:

partner              I
S: T              AKQJXXX
H: AKQXXX         -  
D: X              AKQ
C: KQJXX          XXX


The opponents cashed CA and down one. My question is:
How to avoid grand slam using precision?

Xiaodong 
******************************************************
I also play precision and the bidding would go:

pard  I
1c    1S
2h    3S*
4h    6N 

In our system, the unnecessary jump to 3S says spades WILL be trumps, start cuebidding.  I find out immediately that we don't have the club ace and partner must have the club king based on points (1c = 16+ or a VERY good 15 point hand).





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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus)
Subject: Re: This actually happened to me...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.154523.14051@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>None vul - you hold: Kxxxx,x,xx,xxxxx
>Partner opens 1H, next hand doubles.  Your call?
>
>Sharif/Hirsch recommend a pass.
>
>However, some time ago, this actually happened to me, and I passed, and
>partner went for 300.  

some time ago this actually happened to me, and i bid 1S, and i went for
800.  

> Partner said I should have seen it coming, and I
>think he's right.  Isn't the most likely heart distribution 5-1-1-6 ?
>(As it, in fact, was)  Isn't it clear that a penalty pass is coming?
>

MY partner said i should have seen it coming, and i KNOW he's right.
bidding on a known misfit with no suit texture isn't asking for trouble,
it's BEGGING for it.  

>Partner had 3 spades and 5 (bad) hearts.  How is he to know when to
>rescue himself?

MY partner had 1 spade and 5 pretty fair hearts.  1H goes for 300, the
opps are cold for 3NT, but we were -800...



just remember:  it's a LOT easier to double 1S for penalties and start
doubling everything in sight than to know that it's right to sit out
1H doubled...



--steve altus



Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge