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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Summary: here we go again
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:46:12 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <cathe.714330177@xanadu> cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon) writes:
>Hello,
>
>don't make car noises when we play.  My husband stated that
>he thought boys would NATURALLY have this trait and a girl
>wouldn't.  You can imagine the discussion that followed that
>sort of remark.  My question is this...does anyone know
>of a good child development book which discusses the issue of
>boys/girls developent.  Nature vs nurture and so on...
>Any other opinions on the subject are welcome.  We have a 1 year

This is always a fun discussion!  9 years ago I would have argued
vehemently that gender-related differences result from socialization.
After having children of both gender & watching many more children,
I have reluctantly been forced to admit the influence of "nature".
People will get into heated debates over this--clearly there are
significant differences in the way males and females are nurtured,
but the question is whether this socialization accounts for all of
the difference, or only reinforces what is already there.

My basic observation is that little boys are more aggressive, 
less emotionally sturdy, and less verbal than little girls.  
I think the aggressiveness
finds an outlet in such things as making little cars go vroommmm and
in clobbering the family dog.  Is this really such a scandalous
suggestion?  Male dogs are more agressive than female dogs; male
horses are so much more aggressive than female horses that an
uncastrated male is extremely difficult to handle.  

Also, recent studies have shown that the structures that connect 
the left and right hemispheres of the brain are larger in women than
in heterosexual men, and larger still in homosexual men. These
structures are known to be important in such things as spatial and
verbal abilities.  My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think that autistics
are especially lacking in these connecting structures.

>I'm hoping to prove my husband wrong (he said he'd be happy to admit
>defeat if he had a girl who made car noises).

No, that isn't good cause to admit defeat!  The problem (and indeed,
the problem with using innate gender-related differences as a reason
why "women can't do math" or some such nonsense) is that there is
a huge amount of variation within both genders.  There are little girls
out there who make cars go vroom and clobber the family dog.

Sue
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:48:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: random.1992Aug20.174839.4180
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <BtADEL.44s@ocsmd.ocs.com> ted@zeus.ocs.com (Ted Scott) writes:
>Had to respond to this one, it's a little long ...
>
>: Instinct made me slap her back and luckily it came up to 
>: her lips where I could grab it.
>
>Yes, that's the first step, the back slap. The "finger sweep"
>should NEVER be done unless you can see the object, the danger 

It's my understanding that the backslap should also never be done.
It can move the obstruction DOWN rather than UP.  With little ones,
I prefer the "hold them upside down and shake technique." 
It also works to rest them face down on your lap and then slap the back.
There are lots of variations involving
   1) not intervening if the child/adult is breathing
   2) turning children so they are upside down
   3) applying quick strong force to back or front

I replied to the original poster via email, but wanted to warn 
against the back slap publically since it had been recommended
publically.

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: misc.kids picnic (new england)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 14:40:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Ailsa wrote:


new england's a BIG area!  what state were you plannign to have this
in, please?


I replied (in part):


Ailsa - yeah, I know it's big. What I was
planning to do is to get a head count,
along with location, and then solicit
suggestions for places - and then pick one
based a lot on convenience for most people.
So far, people have responded from western Mass.,
RI, Maine (you!) and greater Boston.

Most likely (but you knew this, didn't you?) it'll
end up being greater-Boston-ish, just because by
far the most people live around here, but it'll
probably be a bit west, north or south depending on
who else is coming.




Posting this for all those others with the same
(legitimate) question.

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when (was Re: Tantrums)
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:30:52 GMT

In article <71160@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
>ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>
>>In article <TIGGER.92Aug5233413@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>>> 
>>> You know when you're a parent of two when it is *easy* to go shopping
>>> with only one kid (and it doesn't even matter *which one* Kayvan watches
>>> for me!)
>>
>>
>>AMEN!!!  I had the exact same thought last night...the baby and I picked up
>>photos, browsed the bookstore and popped into the grocery store for a gallon of
>>milk. And as I headed home I thought "what a treat" :)
>>
>>Ann Helmers
>
>Just wait till you have three, and you think it's so easy to go
>shopping with just a 2- and a 4-year-old boy!  Or that you should
>go to the grocery while your oldest is in school, since it's so
>easy with just a toddler and an infant.

YES!  At least with two, you still have a little room in your cart for groceries!
(Though two will fight over who sits in the little seat.) Too bad they don't make
double decker/twin grocery carts too!

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From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:48:46 GMT

ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:

>In article <dlhanson.45@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. 
>Hanson) writes:
>> We teach our children that there is only one way to peace with God and
>> that is through His Son, Jesus Christ.  We teach them that people who
>> don't believe that will be eternally punished for their disbelief. 
>> We also teach them that we as Christians have an important responsibility
>> to let everyone know about the Gospel message (in our home, at work and
>> even on USENET).  If people are offended by the message of Jesus Christ,
>> then so be it (the Bible says that they will be).

>Then IMHO, you are teaching your children to be intolerant biggots.

And you teach your children to tolerate his beliefs and to consider
them carefully? Or do you teach you children that there is no God and
anyone who say's there is, is speaking rubbish?

Tony

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Tony McGregor ( Tony.McGregor@rdt.monash.edu.au )  
Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Networking kids at school...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:19:14 GMT

In article <183146@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes:
>I am interested in helping to set up a program for the local
>elementary school so that the kids can 'converse' with others in a diverse
>geographical location(s). Does anyone have any information on a group that is
>involved in this sort of thing?

Be careful!  Those things can be addictive.  :-)

-Nance
-- 
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From: ck@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Kiessling)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:50:55 GMT
Subject: Re: carseat at bad reclining angle
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids


Wow.  My first (of many) posts to "misc.kids" and I get such an
overwhelming response!

A big THANKS to all the people who responded to me about this.

The concensus (sp?) is to put folded towels, blankets, etc., under the
base of the carseat to make the reclining angle correct (comfortable).

I did that last night and it seems to work OK.  In fact, it seems more
sturdy (safe) with the towels underneath than without.

Baby Rachel (20 days old today) seems to like her carseat, even though
her dad thinks they could have designed it just a little bit better.....

Thanks again...

Chris

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CAD Software Development Engineer
(408) 553-2905                     Hewlett-Packard Company
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breastfeeding problems
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:18:42 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

> In article <1992Aug11.140238.1924@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) w
> >
> >How to treat them once you have them: heat -- a hot shower directed
> >right at the breast, a hot facecloth, even a hot water bottle. Frequent
> >nursing. Offer the plugged breast first (I know, it hurts, but
> >if you offer if first every two hours it will clear; if you hold it back
> >and offer it second every four hours it will get worse). Rest. Spend
> 
> The first time I had clogged ducts, I learned something that I didnt read in
> any books, or in Kate's post, so I just thought I would share it, in case
> other people have the problem. For me the swelling did not go down for about
> an hour or two after the duct was unclogged. The first time I encountered
> this it was scary because I didnt think I was being sucessful in dealing with
> it. I did everything the books said (hot washcloth, hot shower, nursing, ect)
> and it still hurt. Finally I felt so ill, and when I am ill, I sleep, so I
> took a nap and thought I would try again when I woke up, and if I still
> wasnt sucessful, I would call the Doctor. I ended up sleeping for two hours
> and I woke up, and my breast was just fine. I guess it takes a while for the
> swelling to go down. 
> 
> For a while I was getting them once a week - for some odd reason it was a
> tueday. I would just hop in the shower as soon as I noticed it getting a bit
> sore, then I would come out and pump. It always was fine in an hour or so. I
> guess the key was recognizing the problem in the earliest stage.
> 
> Laura Floom


Yes....the inflamed duct can be sore for a while, even after it has actually 
been emptied...good point.


When you say you were getting a blockage every Tuesday, it puts me in mind 
of 'the mysterious white spot'.   Many women have noticed this, a blockage 
that can be seen or felt at the nipple, of thick stringy whitish stuff, or a 
hard little lump.  It is not known what causes it, but in her book 
"Breastfeeding Matters"  Maureen Minchin suggests that it may be liked to 
saturated fats in the diet, particularly if it happens on a regular basis.  
A friend of mine used to get blocked ducts every Saturday, after having fish 
and chips, fried in lard, for tea on Fridays.......

The treatment that is recommended is to lower the amount of saturates in 
your diet, and add a little lecithin, 1 tbsp or so, to your diet.....


Hope this posint is interesting.....kerry :-)
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Hand-foot-mouth (coxsackie virus)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:49:52 GMT


Chris Himes (CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:

>We just went through a bout of hand/foot/mouth/ disease --
>Coxsackie virus--and hope to NEVER repeat the experience.
>He virtually did not eat or drink for 3 days (or sleep).


My 23 month old daughter caught the coxsackie virus from
daycare when she was about 20 months old.  She had the sores
in her mouth, and blisters on her toes and fingers (hand-
foot and mouth disease). She didn't eat or drink much for
7 days.  We were able to get sips into her.  It was so
pitiful to see her in such pain.  

What angered me is that even though I kept her home from
day care, other parents tried to hide their children's
coxsackie and brought their children to day care.  Melissa
caught the virus again within a month of the first attack.

Sometimes the virus is hard to detect, like the second
time she got it.  There were no blisters on her hands or
toes, but the sores were way back in her throat.  But since
I suspected it, I took her to the doctor right away and
it was confirmed.

My full sympathy goes out to you and your poor son.  I know
how awful this disease is.  Even the Tempra hurt going in.  I
sometimes had to resort to suppositories for her.

I never thought of Oragel (sp?) to put in her mouth.  Hopefully,
I won't have to go through that again, but if I do, I'll try the
Oragel.

Sandy
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: prenatal testing and howto get the FAQ(s)?
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I need the FAQ(s).

Plus information on prenatal testing?  I've heard of 
amniocentesis, but I believe there is another method too?

Also what is ultra-sound all about?

Thanks!

- Peggy - 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:34:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Wasn't going to get back into this, but I thought I might be able to shed
a wee bit of light on a non-straightforward translation issue:

In article <16tguuINN9gu@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>How about "If you don't hate ... your children, you cannot be one of my 
>disciples." [Jesus]

This verse is Luke 14:26, and is a reference to an earlier statement made
in Matthew 10:37,38.  The word in greek is "miseo" which can be translated
as "hate", but also as "to love less".  In light of the statements made in
Matthew, I think that it is clear what is being said here: anyone that
loves Jesus less than his family is wrong.  This is a good example of the
kind of misunderstandings that selective reading can cause.  This is also
a good example of why you need to use good scholarship in making use of
the reference materials that are available to the non-greek-reader and being
careful to perform careful exegesis prior to applying your own hermeneutic.

It's OK to disagree with what's being said, but the kind of straw-man
arguments that have been proposed here really are indicative of the kind
of effort people are willing to put forth to understand each other.  If
one intends to take the time to honestly refute some portion of scripture
then they should make sure that they have done their homework first.  The
Bible is not a comic-book or a dictionary and cannot profitably be read
like one to get a good picture of the overall truth contained there.  But,
with effort I believe that the truth is available to anyone that is willing
to hear it...

I wish they would teach rhetoric and logic in the schools again...

D

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Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: What to do with a late talker?
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.131624.14931@sei.cmu.edu> dmc@sei.cmu.edu (Dawn Cappelli) writes:


Dawn,

Be forever thankful.  I have a 9 year old daughter who will never shut up.  
I remember not being able to wait for my daughter to talk.  Friends told 
me, "You'll be sorry later on".  They were right.  Anyone know how to get a 
kid to shut up who jabbers constantly and says nothing?
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holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.173116.8721@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.132940.29739@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>>anything like it.  From the time he wakes up in the morning, till he
>>goes to bed he talks and chatters non-stop.
>
>I certainly can hear you!!!  My youngest son talks non-stop and has since
>he started talking - sometimes, i hate to say it, i simply ignore him, and
>I have been known to put earplugs in while trying to read or write.
>
Well, I was one and now I have one and, frankly, all the trying to get me to
stop talking just irritated the hell out of me and did no good at all.  The
only thing that is really effective is my 2 YO putting her hand over my mouth
and looking at me intently.  She has finally taught me the value of silence.

So, I guess that's not much help.  I know I talk to dissipate tension.  It's my stress release.  The more excited, stressed out, tense, whatever I am the faster
my mouth runs.  I am not impossible to live with, however, so here is what has
helped me and what I'm doing with Mitchell (my genetic imprint is very strongly
upon him).

1)  Remember that children learn to DO things, rather than to NOT DO things.
So instead of telling a child to stop talking, tell the child to listen.  
"Shhh.  Listen to the birds.  How many different bird calls can you hear?"

2) Teach the art of conversation.  First it's my turn to talk and then it's
your turn to talk and then it's my turn to talk and then it's your turn to
talk.  There is a subtle nuance to this that a lot of adults haven't yet 
learned and that is that you aren't just waiting for your turn.  You actually
have to listen when it's the other person's turn.

3) If you ever have a whole group of children who need to keep quiet (like
backstage at a play) you can play the pindrop game.  This is great.  Everyone
is very, very quiet and someone drops a pin.  If you hear the pin, you raise
your hand.  The person who REALLY hears it and raises their hand very quietly
gets to drop the pin next.

Hope this helps.  People who like to talk just enjoy talking.  They don't
have to have anything to say.  Just make sure they know how to listen and the
balance should even out eventually.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: tipped uterus & getting pregnant
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.135203.6830@cco.caltech.edu>, floom@cco.caltech.edu
(Laura E. Floom) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug14.191906.2026@hern.stonemarche.org> brighid@hern.stonemarche.org writes:
> >
> >I've got a tipped uterus. (Luckily, not from
> >endometreois.) And I want to have a child.
> >Does anyone have any advice on getting pregnant
> >quickly despite a tipped uterus?

My nurse-midwife told me that something like 40% of women have "tipped"
uteruses I probably have the statistic wrong, but the point is it's very
common.  It is not considered a uterine abnormality.

I was infertile for 5 years (but now due December 30th!) and no one ever
suggested that my tipped uterus was a factor.

Good luck!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mindy
wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences
Northwestern University
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:56:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.173915.21610@cs.ucla.edu> grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis) writes:

>waterbeds are supposedly dangerous for babies if they get caught between
>the mattress and the frame -- when our kids were small, they'd sleep
>between us - so, getting caught wasn't a problem. Now, they are 4 and 2
>and often nap on the waterbed by themselves -- they are too big to get
>caught.

It is also dangerous if they are face down on the waterbed. They can 
suffocate that way.

Another possible danger, still being debated, is the danger to a young child,
and a deleveloping fetus if you use a heater. The EMF may be dangerous. Experts
(and the net) havent yet agreed, but I wouldnt take the chance. Same goes
with electric blankets.

Laura Floom


From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:46:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Hot Tubs, Saunas linked to birth defects...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Here in California (hot-tub-land) both of my ob/gyns made a point of warning
me to stay out of hot tubs once it was certain that I was pregnant.  I also
was warned not to take hot baths or showers (!).  I'm getting very used to
lukewarm showers/baths..... :-/

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From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: No TV On Weekdays (Was:Misch.Child)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:44:08 GMT


(Concerning rewards, being demanding, and no TV on the weekends ...)

>>In article <1992Aug11.142258.22933@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
>>nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>>As the parent, I'd have opted for cuddling up on the sofa with my
>>>daughter and watching her favorite program with her, laughing at the
>>>silly mouse when she laughs ...

>In article <168418C11.RH398@uacsc2.albany.edu> RH398@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>>     What's wrong with consistancy in applying rules?  Sometimes
>>a "potentially close precious moment" must pass for the lesson
>>of sticking by your word.  Or is this passe today?

In article <1992Aug12.183414.3731@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>What's wrong with sticking to the rules in favor of a precious moment
>with your child????  Ye gads.

I think the real problem with the original poster was that the parent
was offering a reward (UNRELATED to TV watching, I might add) and the
daughter was demanding a different reward because she "didn't like"
the one her mom offered.  Now, while I think that a parent should
learn from these situations what their child really enjoys, I do not
think that this leaves the child with an excuse to be demanding.  To
me, the original situation was sort of like "Here, I appreciate you
and want to show my appreciation by giving you X." "No, I don't *want*
X, I want Y instead." -- this doesn't help the giver feel at all
appreciated.  So I think that, independent of the TV rule, the
parent needs to do something to teach the child not be so demanding,
even if it means to teach her to say ploitely, "Mom, I really appreciate
X, but I would rather do Y.  Could we do that instead?".  (or some
variant appropriate to a 4 year old vocabulary).

Personally, though, I would store up the thought of the favorite 
program, and pull it out later ... like at the time of the program
mention that you remembered that she wanted to watch it, or suggesting
it some later day.  I agree that it is very important to ensure that
you get good, close time with your kids.

-- Misty

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