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From: ws1d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wendy Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: What constitutes a best friend?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:36:01 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


 sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein, the 24hr man) gave us a poem from his daughter. 

I'm not sure why you posted this Stein, or how you feel about it, not
that you have to tell me. Anyhow, It's really interesting to hear the
perspective of adolescent pain. Even though the same struggles exist for
me, I'm realizing the hell I used to go through as a teenager when it
came to these issues. 

The difference between the way I am now, and the way I was as a teenager
is that instead of having ups and downs and the exaggerations, now
having had a major dosages of reality (at bedtime and several times
during each day)  I'm less prone to feel that dreamy adolescent hope,
but I'm less likely to feel the deeper pain. So now I suffer a kind of
chronic low-level depression. I'm less likely to see out a lifetime
buddy, or to commit in some ways to my female friends. I'm also less
likely to reach out and meet new people though having had to lose so
many of my friends to their SOs.  

Is being single the ultimate form of punishment? I wonder about this
sometimes.  I didn't used to feel this way as much and instead used to
talk like this "so and so and I had a marvelous time at the ballet, you
should have joined us".  However, my threshold for high brow activities
is diminishing as of late and I'm not in good enough shape to drive my
mountain bike up the nearest hill in Pennsylvania, nor am I enthused
enough to try bunge cord jumping off a cliff.   So now I take walks in
the woods alone, or read library books.  Less exciting, but there's a
tradeoff involved in everything.  

One good thing though, is at least I can gage the level of intimacy
better in a frienship, which is why I have almost no friends and have
had to resort to writing on the net for a little compantionship. (which
is not to suggest that netters are in this position, because it's not
true for others)

Well, never mind about my collection of friends. Have you seen The Woody
Allen movie Broadway Danny Rose in which he has a bunch of freaks as his
collection of friends. I'm beginning to see myself this way.  I end up
picking people with a broken wing because I make them feel better, and
I'm not threatened by them. This, I realize is negative for me, and I
need to stop hiding. It makes me feel pretty lousy to think I can't
befriend upbeat confident women anymore. I'm exploring this.

Last week, I invited my neighbors over for dinner. They have a daughter
who is slighly retarded, and she really enjoys my company. I get a lot
out of taking her places, and being needed.  I guess that's where I'm at
now, but I could use a jump start to get out there and socialize.

Anyhow in my case living a hermits existence has been naturalI've had so
many people come and go in my life, which is the natural course of
events of frienship these days. No more high school promises of a a
best, lifelong buddy.  
Just thought I'd share.

-Wendy
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Salter)
Subject: Afraid to Love Again
Organization: OFSA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:51:10 -0500


After being used and betrayed in various relationships, how does one
find the courage to love again? Sure, the emotion is there maybe and
you can't control it but at the same time the fear that "it might
happen again" is there.

For me, discovering and resolving the reasons I got into the old
relationships to begin with is the answer. Learning that I don't have
to rescue to feel good about myself is a big step. Still...the old
pain is there and healing takes time.

thoughts? 

Steve
From: ronan@codon2 (Karen Ronan;161 GPBB;x2-0884)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Friends
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:22:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.siociINN192
Organization: University of California
NNTP-Posting-Host: codon2.berkeley.edu

In article <3759@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) writes:
>I've stayed out of this conversation because it is very painful to me;
>I'm still trying to understand why I have so few friends, and have
>puzzled out only parts of it.  

Once, sitting on a flight from Europe to NY next to a young
Swiss man, we conversed about our trips, etc. He was going to
visit an American girlfriend in NY.  He said that he had (besides
her) exactly ONE friend, and he thought that was enough. He was
completely content with one friend. He asked me why Americans
needed to surround themselves with so many friends.
Andrew is right (in my opinion) that comparisons are unnecessary.
All that matters is whether we are enjoying life, not whether
we meet some imaginary criteria to be allowed on earth.
His assumption was that we were somewhat insecure and shallow.
food for thought.
-Karen
ronan@codon2.berkeley.edu

"Red lotus incense fades on
The jewelled curtain."
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From: cowpatti@netcom.com (Patricia Mae Anthony)
Subject: Re: Friends
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:51:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <17947@oasys.dt.navy.mil> junod@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Junod) writes:
>In alt.support, joannee@sco.COM (Joanne Eglash) writes:
>>...how do I initiate friendships? Where can I go?
>
>1) Take a course  (Anything...local night stuff or a college)
>2) Volunteer (Teach someone to read, work with an Alumni club,
>3) Join a Club (Anything...workout, sailing, bicycling, .....)
>4) Church (Visit till you find one with people you would like to
>5) Have a party at your place
>6) I hear grocery stores and libraries afford meeting people but
>7) Join your local community theather group...if you don't want to
>8) Ask someone to lunch...  Remember, co workers do have friends

For me, putting yourself in the right place is the easy part.  The hard
part is how to go about telling someone "I like you.  I would like to
spend some time with you and be your friend."

Patricia
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From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Birdy (was Re: Prince of Tides)
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:48:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.73492
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania

<1992Apr9.195423.18276@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> writes this in article rhw@att.com (Robert Wentworth)
>Speaking of movies with disturbing psychological themes, did anyone
>ever see "Birdy" [Birdie?] or "Frances"?  It has been a while, and I
>don't know how they would affect me now, but I remember them as
>psychologically powerful movies...

Ahh, "Birdy," the story of two young men, one who is obsessed with birds.
He has a coop at home, and then starts a collection of parakeets or
something in his room - sleeps and eats with them.

He goes off to war in vietnam and in the shock, reverts to the only thing
familiar - being a bird.  They take him to the hospital where he continues
to act like a bird.  His friend visits him on suggestion of the family
doctor and begins to get sucked up into the world of make believe.
Eventually, they get out.

It's hard to say what appeals to me about this movie.  Basically, the idea
of totally creating my own world and existing without hassle from the
outside can be quite enticing when I'm in a lot of pain.  I read the book
and saw the movie.  As usual, it's better in the book.  The desire for this
kind of escape is very familiar to me.  Fortunately, there were enough
people that I talked to that I stayed here.

Jack Vinson			The Purple Puddle Eater
vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu
vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: bpadget@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Padgett)
Subject: Re: Learning to Trust
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:45:31 GMT

ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Salter) writes:


>Ailsa remarks that "some people DO want to hurt you"....

>Some people enjoy hurting others...it is an addiction for them. Why
>feed their addiction? Best thing for me is to not trust anyone until I
>just "know" I can trust them...getting tired of getting burned.

I would see tha as ok as long as you are not destroying the relationship
with "tests" to prove their worthyness.....

>Steve


Barry
-- 
Barry Padgett                      |"Life sucks losers dry.  If you want 
bpadget@hubcap.clemson.edu         | to fuck with the eagles, you've got
Disclaimer: "State Mental Hospital,| learn how to fly."
Napolean speaking...."             |   Heather Chandler  __Heathers__ 
From: kasey@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:50 CDT
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Prince Of Tides/bad memories
Message-ID: <1054100001@trsvax>
Nf-ID: #R:<ku8vctINNbqr@west.west.sun.com>:-32:trsvax:1054100001:000:941
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!kasey    Apr 13 17:50:00 1992


I also read the book and was terribly disappointed in the movie. I think that
the book HAD to be somewhat autobiographical because it was SO good. I don't
think that you could write with the depth and accuracy of the dysfunction that 
Pat Conroy wrote Prince of Tides without having experienced some of it. 

I really got alot out of reading that book. So much of it hit home for me.
The father's money making schemes that involved the children's labor, the
"elephant in the living room" ideas the mother had, just how screwed up
everything has to get sometimes before we realize there is a problem... I
could go on and on. 

When I first got into recovery, I read Suzanne Somers book. I got alot out of
that also. Does anyone know of any other books like these two that are recovery
books buried in a story? I read recovery books almost constantly and could 
stand to read something that would be helpful, and less clinical.

Thanks,
Kathy
From: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Friends
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:26:03 GMT
Organization: Here & Now

MAUKONEN@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu writes:
> In article <j=vjzda.cowpatti@netcom.com>
> cowpatti@netcom.com (Patricia Mae Anthony) writes:
>  
> >
> >In article <17947@oasys.dt.navy.mil> junod@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Junod) writes:
> >>In alt.support, joannee@sco.COM (Joanne Eglash) writes:
> >>>...how do I initiate friendships? Where can I go?
> >>
> >>1) Take a course  (Anything...local night stuff or a college)
> >>2) Volunteer (Teach someone to read, work with an Alumni club,
> >>3) Join a Club (Anything...workout, sailing, bicycling, .....)
> >>4) Church (Visit till you find one with people you would like to
> >>5) Have a party at your place
> >>6) I hear grocery stores and libraries afford meeting people but
> >>7) Join your local community theather group...if you don't want to
> >>8) Ask someone to lunch...  Remember, co workers do have friends
> >
> >For me, putting yourself in the right place is the easy part.  The hard
> >part is how to go about telling someone "I like you.  I would like to
> >spend some time with you and be your friend."
> >
>  This is true. Just letting it happen does not always work and somestimes
> the direct approach yelds unexpected or the opposite result. So WHAT DO
> you do ???
>  
This is very interesting to me -- because I just took the direct approach with
someone recently -- we've been around each other a lot in some activities and
I like him, and I'm looking to make friends with men who are close to my age.
I have 3 close friends already who are either much older or somewhat younger
so I'm working on adding 1 or 2 relationships that are closer to my age.  I've
been involved in church, 12-step groups, and local classes.  In all of these
I have noticed there are people who like me and I like them and .... and ....
it seems like we keep almost getting closer.  So, I decided that I wanted 
things to change -- I want to have "some" same-age friend(s).  So I thought
about it for a little while and decided that I would just ask.  I felt scared -
"No" was a real possibility -- I asked him what kind of support network he had.
And then I told him what I want, and that I wanted to see if he is open to 
exploring a closer relationship than we've had in the past.  And ... the answer
is Yes! 

I don't know at this point how many more relationships or what level of intimacy
I might want.  I'm going to work on 1 new one and see how that goes.  If I feel
like I might need some more I can work on that when I get a clear sense of what
needs are not being met by the relationships I am in. 

To me the key in developing relationships is deciding for me what it is that I
think I want from the relationship.  And I think it is healthy to communicate
my desires clearly and directly to the people I'm working in relationship with.
I'm learning that in intimate relationships open agendas work fairly well -- compared to "Hit/Miss" with hidden agendas.
--

Bob Boyd
In The Here & Now
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt)
Subject: Re: Jesus jokes
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.161931.4362@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.221913.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> >
> >Jesus saves souls, and trades them in for valuable prizes!
> >
> >Sorry, can't remember where I saw that...I think it was in someone's .sig.
> >
> 
> Jesus spelled backwards is susej, which implies that
> he is a dog treat that tastes and looks like sausages
> 

Also seen in someone's .sig:

Jesus saves -- but Gretzky gets the rebound, he shoots, he scores!



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                          |
      Rob Unverzagt       |     Hey you, Whitehouse,
 shag@aerospace.aero.org  |     Ha ha, charade you are.
                          |                             -- The Pink Floyd
Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1247 talk.religion.misc:6206
Organization: Brigham Young University
Date: Sunday, 5 Apr 1992 21:27:46 MST
From: J MICHAEL ALLEN <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups:           alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children

Someone help me here, please.  I mean these all as serious--not flippant--
questions:

1.  Is it or is it not the case that the whole idea of Satan (whether or
not one accepts Satan as an actual being) arises out of certain Judeo-
Christian ideas about good and evil, the "cosmic struggle," etc.?

2.  If it *is* the case, then does this not also mean that one who calls
him/herself a Satanist--whether or not it has anything to do with ritual
sacrifice and other unpleasant details--has to accept (perhaps
unconsciously) certain assumptions that are basically Judeo-Christian?

3.  If *that* is the case, then it seems that at some level any self-
professing Satanist has sort of turned the tables on Pascal's wager.
You accept a certain view of the world, but decide to follow a path
contrary to that followed by most who accept that view of the world . . .
Here, frankly, is where I get a bit fuzzy.

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that I am no expert in matters
Satanic.  I also repeat that I am sincerely interested in insights
on these questions.  That is why I have asked for enlightenment.

Thanks--

--Michael Allen

Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.judaism,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising Satanic children)
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:15:26 GMT

wsb2@Drum.CC.MsState.Edu (William S. Brandon) writes:
: Have any of you ever been part of another religion prior to Satanism?
: Also, is Satanism a religion or a way of life? (I distinguish between the two)
: 
: S Brandon

Are you addressing posters to this group in general? Pagans in general? Or just
the "Satanists".

If you are addressing either of the first two, then you are sadly mistaken
about the beliefs of both groups.

If you are addressing just the satanists/Satanists, then I cannot help you.
They will have to speak for themselves.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert)
Subject: Re: Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:08:22 EDT
Organization: Kampus Krusade for Kush
Distribution:  all

I had to take the time and correct all misspelled words, grammatical
inconsistencies, and other crimes against the English language.
Here is the letter, reprinted and subtitled.

>
> So I didn't proof read the fuck'n letter,if you couldn't get the message
((So, I didn't proof read the fucking letter.  If you couldn't get the message))

>well then I fucked up,but I would say the message was more then clear man
(( I fucked up.  But, I would say the message was more than clear,))

>,as clear as any opion that needs to be spoken.Well I do really regret posting
((clear as any opinion which needs be spoken.  I do regret posting))

>such an unedited letter to such a group of intellectuals who to me see to scaredto express there feeling in this group.I want to shout my words,gramatically
((an unedited letter to a group of intellectuals who are trying to scare me
 into not expressing my feelings.  I want to express myself,))

>correct or otherwise,I could care less,I'm not here to impress anyone,
((correct or otherwise.   I couldn't care less.  I'm not here to impress
  anyone))

>I live for myself and NOBODY ELSE.I'm not some tough headbanger that fells
((I live for myself and nobody else.  I'm not some tough headbanger
  who feels))

>like he has to shake his head when ever he feels that it's the thing to do.But
((like I must thrash my hair whenever it seems like the things to do.  But,))

>I'm not against it either,or any other "social regect",call it what you want
((I'm not against it, nor any other "social reject".  Call it what you will,))

>So start speeking you mind,this news group wasn't made to be fuck'n conservative
((So, start speaking your mind.  This news group wasn't made to be conservative.))


>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
((Golly!))

>The stick that stands alone is the strongest.
((A solitary branch erect is firm.))

>                                              -Dio

					     ((-Dio))

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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx03.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Subject: SurVey
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: questionnaire
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:06:00 GMT

I'm doing a survey to determine what the attitudes of people reading this
newsgroup are.  I would apppreciate it if you would take a few minutes to fill
it out; it shouldn't take long.  Just mark the answer of your choice; you
don't even have to take the time to delete anything.  If some of the questions
seem frivilous, just bear with me. 

Remember, if you don't respond, your opinion is going to be under-represented
when I post the results.

--Semhaza

 1. What religion are you?

    A. Satanist
    B. Atheist or agnostic
    C. Christian
    D. Other (please list)

 2. If you are a Satanist, how would you describe your attitude towards Satan?

    A. Satan is only a symbol for man's inner nature.
    B. Satan is a misunderstood deity whose nature is actually good.
    C. Satan is the lord of all evil whose destiny is to destroy all goodness.
    D. Satan is actually a UFO from dimension X whose goal is to spread wealth
       and chicken feathers across the land.  I'm channeling him along with
       Elvis and Ramtha.
    E. Other (please elaborate)

 3. What is your main purpose in reading this newsgroup?

    A. Entertainment
    B. Information/curiosity
    C. Proselytizing
    D. Nothing better to do
    E. Other (please list)

 4. What is your opinion of _The Satanic Bible_?

    A. It's great!
    B. It's good, but I don't agree with all of it.
    C. Neutral
    D. It's worthless.
    E. I haven't read it.
    F. Is that _The Holy Bible_ written backwards?

 5. Agree/disagree:  the teachings of Christianity are wrong.

 6. What other newsgroups do you read?

    A. Alt.evil
    B. Alt.magick
    C. Alt.mythology
    D. Alt.pagan
    E. Soc.religion.christianity
    F. Other religiously related (please list)

 7. Do you attend a religious forum (such as church) regularly?

 8. Do you listen to heavy metal?

 9. Do you have any Pink Floyd posters?

10. Do you deliberately reverse your tapes and listen to them backwards?

11. Have demons visited you while/after listening to heavy metal?

12. Do you attribute your religion to backwards masking on Led Zeppelin's
    "Stairway to Heaven"?

13. Do you play fantasy role-playing games?

14. How old are you?

15. What gender are you?

    A. Male
    B. Female
    C. Other (please specify)

16. How do you spell "Satan"?

    A. Satan
    B. Satin

17. How often do you participate in orgies?

    A. All the time!
    B. Most Friday nights.
    C. Only when we can get enough virgins together.
    D. Never (unfortunately).
    E. Never (thank God!).

18. Have you read the works of celebrated Christian talk-show host Bob Larson?

19. Are you a member of a nationwide Satanic organization plotting to take
    over the government?

20. Do you wear a religious symbol?  If so, please list.

21. Do you take this survey seriously?

    A. Yes
    B. No
    C. I'm not telling.
    D. I'm not sure if the writer takes this seriously.
From: brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: fell from heaven?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 10:40:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


> I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did "god's" jealousy of
> Lucifer's power cause him to throw Lucifer out of heaven?  Anything like 
> that?


You're kidding, right?  Haven't you read time and time again that Satanists 
don't go for this Christian-lore crap?  What is this, "...throw Lucifer out of
heaven" shit?  How is someone that doesn't exist supposed to get thrown out of
a place that doesn't exist?  Are you new to this newsgroup or something?  Why
don't you restrict Biblical questions like this to some Christian newsgroup,
where all of the Christian commentators in THIS newsgroup should remain.

But in case I'm just flying off the hinges undeservedly, I'll answer your 
question.  SATAN comes from old hebrew and means "adversary".  LUCIFER started 
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