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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: My vote for official song for asar :)
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This one apparantly didn't make it out the first time, so I'll repost it. :)


Subject: My vote for offical song of ASAR :)
To: alt-sexual-abuse-recovery@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:49:45 +0000 (MST)
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In contrast to all the gloom-and-doom songs that have been posted to asar in
the past few days, I humbly submit my choice for asar theme song. :)

This is for poohbear and Sarah and all the other folks that sometimes find it
hard to get out of bed in the morning.  Love you, Sarah!  Love ya, pooh!


                               Get On Your Feet
                                Gloria Estefan

You say I know it's a waste of time
There's no use trying
So scared that life is gonna pass you by
Your spirit dying
Not long ago
I could feel your strength and your devotion
Waht was so clear, is now overcast
With mixed emotion
Deep in your heart is the answer
Find it, I know it will pull you through

Get on your feet
Get up and make it happen
Get on your feet
Stand up and take some action
Get on your feet
Don't stop before it's over
Get on your feet
The weight is off your shoulder

I think it's true that we've all been through
Some nasty weather
Let's understand that we're here
To handle things together
You gotta keep looking on to tomorrow
There's so much in life
That's meant for you

Get on your feet
Get up and make it happen
Get on your feet
Stand up and take some action
Get on your feet
Don't stop before it's over
Get on your feet
The weight is off your shoulder
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com, khijol!erc@saturn.upl.com       801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim

-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: anon-1372@twwells.com (Sierra)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: An Ode  /* Possible MAJOR SPOILER!!! */
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:15:52 GMT
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   From: anon-1325@twwells.com (Solace)

   Warning, the following "tribute" is not easy to read...
   




		    An Ode To My Collective Abuser
		(and Abusers Everywhere and Everywhen)

Wow - that is a really powerful poem.  Thank you for posting it.

--Sierra
(struggling hard but still here)



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Subject: compartmentalization
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:20:38 GMT
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ANON-name: lizard

A couple of people sent me anon-mail, but forwarding was set to off.
I tried setting it to yes today:  Please resend messages.  I do want
to receive them.  Thanks.



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From: anon-1349@twwells.com (P.J.)
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Subject: This is kinda scarey
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:04:34 GMT
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Hi - I've been reading the postings for a couple of months now.  First I worked 
up the courage to send for the help message, etc.  Now, I've (apparently) 
gotten up the courage to actually post something.  However - I'm not sure that 
I am yet ready to say anything of substance.  Suffice it to say that I have 
suffered various types of abuse - and have questions about whether or not I was 
sexually abused due to bits and pieces of memories that are hard to perceive or
interpret.  I know that when I am ready that this group will be supportive as
I seek to answer the questions and deal with the pain.

Mary



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From: warton@ssd.intel.com (Peter Warton)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Angry at parents (duh!)
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:49:25 GMT
Organization: Intel SSD



Hello asar

This is part of a message that I sent to a friend, but this anger calls
for validation from the net as well which I'm sure will be there :-).  If
you have time, tell me I'm right and they're wrong.



Hello [*very wonderful friend*].  This whole thing about family has me really
angry and frustrated.  There is the rule that one must participate in the 
family activities or else one is 'betraying' the family.  This notion is so
hypocritical!!!!!!  I'm supposed to pretend the abuse never happened, and then
*I'm* the one 'betraying' the family when I don't want to be around this 
'family'???  I *thought* that the family was supposed to be a nurturing and 
safe place, but my parents destroyed that safety.  And yet, if I call them on 
it, it's *me* who is wrong.  Well, excuse my language, but FUCK YOU PARENTS!
You never had rights to me as another person.  Any potential for friendship was
destroyed by you.  You blew it, and now you're lying and pretending and I can't 
stand to be a part of it.  I *will not* be a part of it.  If some friend of mine
had treated me the way you have, your own advice would be to get that person 
out of my life.  Well, I'm going to follow your advice.  Fuck off :-)
	So, I am very angry indeed.  I'm sorry to vent, but this is such an
important thing for me.  The reality is that I want them to acknowledge that
they are horrible people.  I don't even care if they change at this point, I 
just want them to know what bastards (for lack of a better term) they are.


Peace (I am searching for some right now),

Peter
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From: anon-1055@twwells.com (m&m)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Religion
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:55:14 GMT
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[someone, I forget who, asks if religion has been a help in recovery]


Not religion so much as faith.  for over a year my thereapist was a Cappuchin
Monk (Roman Catholic religious brother) who spent a great deal of time helping 
me discover God within myself and love within myself, 
and letting go of my crutch on an external God.  This was not the
focus of our work together - its just I kept bringing an external God into it 
whenever he asked how I felt about things or what I thought was happening.  
So he had to help me put that aside before we could get down to the real work.

  I would like to talk more about it but
my guess is that it is more appropriate to use email, since many here
(me included) have suffered abuse insensitivity intolerance at the
hands of organized religion.

For myself and the two other survivors that I have very close relationships
with, a faith and gut level *knowing* that God was with me (and them) has been
important in our healing.  What I mean by *knowing* is that it is a personal
certainty that goes beyond just believing something - I feel it and it is a
part of who I am.  

fare Well
Mike Stoughton



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From: anonymus+2790@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (poohbear)
Subject: out of it
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:18:16 GMT

here.
refuse to leave.
been in my room for the past 12 hours straight.
hell no we wont go cries poohbear
please dont take us sobs poohbear
cant go back wails poohbear
poohbear screams
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From: phanes@hal.COM (Pamela D. Hanes)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: ASAR Theme Song
Summary: song
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:07:54 GMT
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  I have always found Michael Bolton's song "When I'm Back on My Feet Again"
  to be very empowering.  I thought I would share the words with you.

  ~Pamela
  aka WildFlower


  "When I'm Back on My Feet Again"

  Gonna break these chains around me
  Gonna learn to fly again
  May be hard, may be hard
  But I'll do it
  When I'm back on my feet again

  Soon these tears will all be dryin'
  Soon these eyes will see the sun
  Might take time, might take time
  But I'll see it
  When I'm back on my feet again

  Chorus:
  When I'm back on my feet again
  I'll walk proud down the street again
  And they'll all look at me again
  And they'll see that I'm strong

  Gonna hear the children laughing
  Gonna hear the voices sing
  Won't be long, won't be long
  Till I hear them
  When I'm back on my feet again

  Gonna feel the sweet light of heaven
  Shining down it's light on me
  One sweet day, one sweet day
  I will feel it
  When I'm back on my feet again

  Chorus

  And I'm not gonna crawl again
  I will learn to stand tall again
  No I'm not gonna fall again
  Cos I'll learn to be strong
  Soon these tears will all be dryin'
  Soon these eyes will see the sun
  Won't be long, won't be long
  Till I see it
  When I'm back on my feet again
  When I'm back on my feet again
  I'll be back on my feet again
From: anon-1012@twwells.com (All Me of Us)
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Subject: Re: does anybody want ME?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:26:06 GMT
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Hi Prisoner--

It was wonderful to see your name in a posting today.  I'm not kidding;
I really mean it.  I think you know me well enough by now to know that
I don't say things like that casually, and I don't lie.

Welcome back to the world, such as it is.  And thank you for being
so real.  I've told you before, I don't know why, but I feel connected
to you, and, yes, at some level that I don't understand, I find myself
liking you.  Take that however you can.

That's all I can say for now; feel free to call if you want to talk.


All Me of Us




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From: koepp@cc1.unt.edu (Cynthia Koepp - Computing Center)
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Subject: about therapists
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:36:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Center, UNT

I just feel like talking/rambling. This has been on my mind since I started 
reading this group. (I started to say "your" group!)

I am not against therapy, I was in individual and in group therapy--both I 
found helpful.  The individual therapy--to tell my story--again and again--
and to have some adult figure who would listen (my parents, for smart 
people, can "make themselves" go terribly dumb).  But I had two rather long-
term encounters with therapists that I feel now ( with a few year's 
perspective) were equally frustrating/abusive. This occurred when 
the therapist really didn't have a good background dealing with sexual abuse/
incest victims.  (At that time, i WAS a victim.)  I see now that my having 
to "educate" these people, as well-intentioned as they were, was 
all too painfully similar to my having to "prove to" and "educate" my 
parents/family members/friends/society about sexual abuse--
what happened with me, and what it did to me. It was sibling sexual abuse, 
for years.  (By the way, I got a lot of (relief?) from Diana Russell's _The 
Secret Trauma:Incest in the Lives of Girls and Women_ chapter on sibling 
abuse.) 

What I am mean to say is that, I feel like, if at all possible, go to a 
therapist who *only* deals with sexual abuse. I know this isn't always 
possible, and sometimes these folks have waiting lists way long, or maybe 
there is an insurance problem. One of the "nice" therapists I went to 
back when, told me recently that now she refers any sexual abuse survivors 
to a Dr.________, who only deals with this in her practice.  I was glad to 
hear this. The thing is, I found, that if you end up having to change 
therapists mid-stream (salmon that we are) it can be more 
expensive, more frustrating, and you may end up feeling like you were being 
more of a teacher than was good for you to have had to have been. 

It's getting dark; I have to walk home, so...THE END! :)
From: blackbourner@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: *if you have no sense of humor or if you're FMS do not read this*
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:01:51 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <BxK59L.Lq3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, mcmorris@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (brandywine) writes:
> In article <BxILo5.Kqx.2@cs.cmu.edu> anonymus+1401@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (darkangel) writes:
>>
>>
>>Q: How many FMS people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>>A: None.  They're always in the dark anyway.
>>
>>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
> *rolling on the floor laughing...*
> here's one:
> q: how many counselors does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> a: they won't... they want to see you do it yourself! :>
>>
> brandywine
>>
>>(just a thought... :) )
>>darkangel
> 
> 
> 
> *****************************************************************
> "And I feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me
>  but I walk into the fingers of your fire willingly
>  and dance the edge of sanity, I've never been this close
>  in love with your ghost...."
> 
> -_Ghost
> The Indigo Girls
>
 *****************************************************************


Q: How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One, but the light bulb has to want to change.

Erin Sue :-)
From: anon-1259@twwells.com (Kate)
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Subject: bob--MPD stuff
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:04:40 GMT
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Bob--

I am MPD, I was diagnosed at a center that specializes in dissociative
disorders after days of psych testing and interviews.  
I'm willing to talk (and so are some of the others).
Email me if you like!
Take care.

Kate



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From: cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell)
Subject: Re: Blackness and Guilt
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:58:59 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:

>J. Theodore Schuerzinger (J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu) wrote:

>: One of the more difficult questions for Christian theologians has been
>: "Why does God let bad things happen to good people?"  I wish I could
>: provide you with an answer for this, Silver Tiger.  However, there are
>: a number of groups on the net specifically designed for various
>: religions (one for Islam, one for Catholicism, etc.).  I don't know if
>: you can subscribe to any of them where you are, but if you can, why not
>: post a letter to one of the Christian groups asking why God lets bad
>: things happen to good people?  The people who read these groups discuss
>: religious issues all the time and might be able to come up with a
>: better answer than I can to your question.

>This presupposes that one believes in "God", let alone believes in the bible.
>There are alternate explanations to "why bad things happen to good people",
>and Christian theologians aren't the only ones with answers.

>I don't personally feel that Christianity has all the answers - not modern
>Christianity, at least.  I also hope you are aware that there are many
>people who read asar, and some of them have been sexually abused by "men of
>God", and might take offense at your (IMHO) blatant attempt at religious
>conversion.

being a devout athiest myself, i can understand taking offense when it seems
that someone is trying to convert someone else.  that was one of the things i
disliked most about my grandfather; he was always trying to get me to become a
mormon.  however, i didn't see theodore's comments that way at all.  silver
tiger asked the question "why do good things happen to bad people" in a
religious context; imho, theodore just provided some ways that silver tiger
might get that question answered.  i don't think that this was any sort of an
attempt to convert anyone to christianity.

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From: ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A)
Subject: Re: In article 9yB@twwells.com, anon-1285@twwells.com (Lemon Soother) writes:
Summary: Live my friend
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:13:00 GMT

In article <4NOV199219051823@acad3.alaska.edu>, ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A) writes...
>In article <1d6uf9INNq2j@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
>> 
>> 
>>>>>I walk funny and shake.
>> 
>>well, then shake it, BABY!
>> 
>>you are blessed that you can get around by WALKING!
>>> 
>I want to comment on this two..
>I was born with Spina Bifida and Club Feet. I also walk funny..*Smile* But I
>get there honey and I have led as "Normal" a life as anyone..
>I was married for almost 20 years and have twin daughters.  I have also gone
>thru divorce so I guess I make a lot of statistics...I also got my BA last May. 
>TThis is from someone who when born in 1949, her parents were told to put
>in an institution because I would probably never amount to anything and would
>probably be mentally retarded.  
>You can do it and you must for all the other people out there. but mostly for
>yourself. 
>I did not walk until I was almost 10 but I not only walk and talk I have a lot
>of friends and have had my share of life and shall continue until I die.
>By the way I was also molested as a child and I have worked thru most of my
>problems. So I say to you:  GO out there baby and have a life!!!
>*HUGS* If wanted if not just pass them on.
> 
>                           -Linda-
> 
> 
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Blackness and Guilt
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:13:25 GMT

J. Theodore Schuerzinger (J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu) wrote:

: One of the more difficult questions for Christian theologians has been
: "Why does God let bad things happen to good people?"  I wish I could
: provide you with an answer for this, Silver Tiger.  However, there are
: a number of groups on the net specifically designed for various
: religions (one for Islam, one for Catholicism, etc.).  I don't know if
: you can subscribe to any of them where you are, but if you can, why not
: post a letter to one of the Christian groups asking why God lets bad
: things happen to good people?  The people who read these groups discuss
: religious issues all the time and might be able to come up with a
: better answer than I can to your question.

This presupposes that one believes in "God", let alone believes in the bible.
There are alternate explanations to "why bad things happen to good people",
and Christian theologians aren't the only ones with answers.

I don't personally feel that Christianity has all the answers - not modern
Christianity, at least.  I also hope you are aware that there are many
people who read asar, and some of them have been sexually abused by "men of
God", and might take offense at your (IMHO) blatant attempt at religious
conversion.

There are many paths to Truth - Christianity is only one of them.
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seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
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all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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