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From: block@ief.itg.ti.com (Bucky Block)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Intersolve PVC info wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:32:48 GMT
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at Texas Instruments Inc.
              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.

In article <997@engcon.marshall.ltv.com> bauer@engcon.marshall.ltv.com (CWBAUER) writes:

   In article <1992Aug21.143238.3178@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
   >Anyone have any information on a Vax based product called Intersolve PVC which
   >is a configuration management tool?
   >
   >John R. Cobarruvias
   >NASA/JSC 
   >713-483-9357 

> If I remember correctly, PVCS is only for DOS and/or Unix, although 


We are looking at CM tools, and in Intersolv's response to our RFI they 
show that PVCS is supported on DOS/Windows, OS/2, RS6000 (AIX) and 
any System V compliant Intel platform (SCO, Interactive, etc.)

One of our requirements was:
 
 The interface for any tool should support Windows 3.1, PM, X11R3/4/5, 
3270 and command line. The least common denominator is the command
line interface.

Intersolv's response was:

PVCS can be operated from the command line as well as all of the 
interfaces specified.

Hope this helps...

B.T.W.  I also have responses to our RFI from the following vendors
in case anyone needs some info:

InterSolv PVCS
SoftTool's CCC/Manager
Atria ClearCase
SMDS Aid De Camp
CaseWare/CM
IBM CMVC
DEC PCMS

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: mjl@cs.rit.edu (Michael J Lutz)
Subject: Re: Software Generation & Maintenance
Reply-To: mjl@cs.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:17:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.164512.21030@news.uni-stuttgart.de>, ucaa2385@ruscvx.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Peter Hermann) writes:
|>
|> The answer is Ada.
|> It is not only a language, it is a technology.
|> 
|> PH
|> 

Ada is just a tool, not a solution, though many equate s/w engineering
with developing systems in Ada.  To paraphrase:

It is not only a language, it is a placebo.

-- 

Mike Lutz
Department of Computer Science
Rochester Institute of Technology
Rochester, NY 14623-0887  USA
+1 (716) 475-2472
mjl@cs.rit.edu
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Seeking Definitions/Tools of Software Size
Keywords: Function points, Lines of Code, Object Size
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:49:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.dwanrjn.sss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am looking for a tool that counts lines of code for C, ignoring
(optionally) commments, etc.

I am also looking for all possible references regarding function points,
including the most rudimentary overview that might be suitable to use
in a proposal to use function points as the size-of-code metric.

Thanks in advance!
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sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: ClearCase <was Re: Robust Config Mgmt system wanted for MSwindows&UNIX>
Organization: Bellcore
	<1992Aug14.215618.861@thirdi.uucp> <m40m+q#.ash@netcom.com>
	<GEOFF.92Aug20140645@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com>
	<RENE.92Aug31152248@wizard.cadence.com>
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:50:48

In article <RENE.92Aug31152248@wizard.cadence.com> rene@cadence.com (Rene Churchill; x6266) writes:
   Anyhow, I do have to agree with the comment that ClearCase
   won't scale well to large environments.  It would be perfect for my
   current project, which has about 1500 files and 500,000 lines of code.
   I don't belive that the current version of it could handle, say 5
   million lines of code.  I know they are working on some multisite
   support for the next version of ClearCase, but I really don't know
   what form that will take.

What is the basis for your belief that ClearCase does not scale to
large (e.g. 5 million line) systems ?  The source information can be
partitioned into an arbitrarily large number of disk servers (with the
constraint that all versions of a given file are clustered on a
single server).

I agree that the current version of ClearCase currently does not support
distributed development that is not on a local network, but that question
is orthogonal to that of system size.  Also, I don't see any architectural
impediments to providing a layer that supports non-local-network code
development.

   This might go from a
   good tool to a great one, depending on what they do in the next couple
   of releases.

What changes are you looking for ?

Note: We have no relationship with ClearCase, other than being potential
customers.

Cheers,

Geoff
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: dbander@netcom.com (David B. Andersen)
Subject: SCCS vs RCS
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 05:42:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: comp.software-eng
Keywords: CM SCCS RCS


I have been a long time user of SCCS, and have developed several tools
which layer on top of it.  I know that many sites use RCS instead of SCCS
but do not have any personal experience with RCS.

I would very much like to hear about the pros and cons of SCCS and RCS
from those of you who have experience using both.

Pertinent information e-mailed to me will be summarized in a later
posting.

Thanks in advance.



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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: lfd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Lee Derbenwick)
Subject: Re: Testing Complex Systems
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.135414.5265@linus.mitre.org>, troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer) writes:
> Given a real-time, embedded, distributed, asynchronous (and all those other
> adjectives that imply complex and difficult) system, how does one go about
> testing the resulting software product to make sure that it really works?
...
> If you had to teach novice software engineers how to test such a system,
> what would you tell them?

I'd start them each off with a copy of Glenford Myers' book, _The
Art of Software Testing_.

Then I would wait for them all to come back and tell me that they
can't test that system for all its possible faults in any finite
amount of time, and what do I _really_ want them to do?

 -- Speaking strictly for myself,
 --   Lee Derbenwick, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Warren, NJ
 --   lfd@cbnewsm.ATT.COM  or  <wherever>!att!cbnewsm!lfd
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Terms [Was: What is Software Engineering]
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:34:52 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: lehman@george.arc.nasa.gov's message of 17 Aug 92 16:55:08 GMT


 =} In the rest of the technical world, scientists try to figure out why the
 =} latest thing the engineers built works, engineers build products, and
 =} technicians handle the scut work.

   Let us engineers not give ourselves too much credit...

   The scientists figure out how things work, the engineers use this
information to design and build things, and technicians are on the
periphery doing the scut work...
From: rar@csl.sri.com (Bob Riemenschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Modeling inheritance hierarchy
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:13:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.

In article <1992Aug31.040815.2300@kum.kaist.ac.kr> insang@salmosa.kaist.ac.kr (Chung InSang) writes:

   Is there anyone to know whether it is safe to assume that 
   inheritance hierarchy of an object-oriented software is a complete lattice?

This seems like such a peculiar question, I suspect that I must
misunderstand it, but here goes:  No, it is not safe to assume it's a
complete lattice.  In fact, it's fairly safe to assume that it's not a
lattice -- I`ve never seen one that was -- though there are no
guarantees.  (In languages without multiple inhertance, the only
lattices are chains.)  As for "complete", since the structures are
finite, this doesn't add anything.

   If not, which techniques can be used to deal with the problem?

What exactly is the problem?

                                                                -- rar
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: figueroa@serum.clpd.Kodak.Com (Janet Figueroa (x37973))
Subject: Re: Testing Complex Systems
Followup-To: comp.software-eng
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company - Clinical Products Division
Distribution: clpd
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:40:03 GMT

In article <23103@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, mark@hti.hac.com (Mark Johnson) writes:
|>   a.  Functional requirements testing.  Enuf said.

Could someone elaborate on functional requirements testing?

Thanks
Janet
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,tum.info.soft
From: lamberts@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Stefan Lamberts)
Subject: Public domain tool for rapid prototyping tool
Originator: lamberts@sunbode25.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:25:37 GMT



Hi *,

Is there a public domain tool for rapid prototyping available somewere?

I'm specially interested in a tool to build MOTIF based user interfaces, but
any clue would be highly appreciated.

Please reply by e-mail as I'm not reading this group regularyly.
I'll summarize.

Thanks
		Lambo

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Xref: sparky comp.software-eng:3310 comp.windows.x:15733
From: shekar@myria.cs.umn.edu (Shekhar H. Kirani)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: GUI Documentation Question
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:06:07 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Aug26.190032.29817@news.duc.auburn.edu> dannelly@eng.auburn.edu (R. Stephen Dannelly) writes:


>I have a question concerning an area (GUI documentation) that I
>don't know a lot about.  I hope this is not a stupid post.


>    Here are some of the problems we have:
>          how to specify what the windows look like
>          how to specify the user dialogue
>          how to specify every operation that can be performed in a window
>          how to show how each window relates to each other
>          how to indicate which functions are called by which actions


Recently, I surveyed a couple of papers on user interface management
systems, design etc. Most of the work has addressed some of the problems
specified above independently. For example, M. Green's paper " A survey
of three dialogue models", ACM Trans. on graphics, Jul 86, describes
transition nets, context free grammers and events specification methods
for specifying the user computer interaction. Most of the research is
done for specifying a graphical system to generate the interface
programs automatically, rather than as a requirement documentation of
the system. For describing the behavior of user interface, the method
given in the paper "The UAN: A USer-Oriented Representation for Direct
Manipulation Interface Designs", by H. R. Hartson in ACM Trans. on Inf.
Syst., Jul 1990, is quite good, though it suffers from some
disadvantages.  Some of the papers that can be of interest to you are,

1. A. Harbert et.al., A Graphical Specification System for
User-Interface Design, Jul, 1990, IEEE Software.
2. R. J. K. Jacob, A Specification Language for Direct-Manipulation User
Interfaces, ACM Trans. of Graphics, Vol. 5, No. 4, Oct 1986.
3. B. A. Myers, et. al., Garnet: Comprehensive Support for Graphical,
Highly Interactive User Interfaces, Nov 1990, IEEE Computer.

Shekhar Kirani
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: dbf@cci632.cci.com (Dave Fisher)
Subject: Re: IPSE, what does it stand for?
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:07:16 GMT

>IPSE= Integrated Project Support Environment
>      (possibly from Atherton-Backplane)

According to Cadre (in their Teamwork product):
IPSE= Integrated Programming Support Environment


Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: tensu@cs.tut.fi (Tero Ahtee)
Subject: Re: OMG, what's it all about?
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.091338.1@woods.ulowell.edu> perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>	I was wondering if anyone outthere would know what the Object
>Management Group (OMG) is all about.  If you do know something or can
>give me pointers to more information, please feel free to email me.  

At June David Goldsmith posted good information about OMG and its
document server to comp.object newsgroup. 

Here are some information from that source;


About the OMG's e-mail based document server; 

You can get a document list from the OMG server. First, send an e-mail
to OMG_server@omg.org containing the single line

help

and it will mail you a copy of the help file. 

When you know what document you want, and if you can't get it from the
OMG_server@omg.org, try this:

     To receive a copy of any document SOME DOCUMENTS FOR MEMBERS ONLY 
     (including earlier documents), please contact Liz Jewitt at the
     Object Management Group: 
     
     Object Management Group, Inc.   Telephone: +1-508-820 4300
     492 Old Connecticut Path        Facsimile: +1-508-820 4303
     Framingham, MA  01701   U.S.A.  Internet: omg_documents@omg.org
  
   
I got some documents from the OMG_server, it is a great system.
Remember, not all documents are reachable by non-members. 

	Tensu


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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: ucaa2385@ruscvx.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Peter Hermann)
Subject: Re: Software Generation & Maintenance
Organization: User ruscvx Comp.Center (RUS) University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:45:12 GMT

In article <16856996F.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.084256.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>
>littlec1@jaguar.uofs.edu (Chris Little) writes:
> 
>Since there seems to be so much time devoted to proper coding methods,
>etc. and there seems to be so much feeling in the industry that it is
>easier to patch and propogate poor code because it is running, how
>about some means to determine when it is more beneficial because of
>newer techniques, languages, tools, methodologies to rewrite the silly thing?

The answer is Ada.
It is not only a language, it is a technology.

PH

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From: wiley@cactus.org (Mark S. Wiley)
Subject: Re: Testing Complex Systems
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:22:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.135414.5265@linus.mitre.org> troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer) writes:
>Given a real-time, embedded, distributed, asynchronous (and all those other
>adjectives that imply complex and difficult) system, how does one go about
>testing the resulting software product to make sure that it really works?

Unfortunately, you cannot use testing to make sure the system works, you
can only prove that it processes the test data correctly when the system
is in a particular state.  This will most likely expose some problems in
the system, which can then be fixed, but you still havn't proved the
system works.

>
>Functional requirements testing is, of course, necessary, but probing the
>system for the presence (or absence) of race conditions, deadlocks and other
>timing related problems is much, much more.

Your best bet is to spend enough time reviewing the system requirements,
design, and code.  For best results, each review should be help as a
particular stage completes, and all outstanding questions should be
resolved before the next stage of the system development begins.
>
>Is it possible to establish a general approach (algorithm?) to testing
>such a system?
>
>If you had to teach novice software engineers how to test such a system,
>what would you tell them?
>
>--
>Tom Royer
>


-- 
Mark S. Wiley
mark.wiley@cactus.org
From: dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: SE books/materials needed
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:26:47 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Could someone post (or send me directly) a list of software engineering books
which would be useful in a library for other SEs?  The company I work for is
opening a branch strictly for software engineering applications and is also
starting a library.  

Also, any info on anonymous ftp sites holding electronic forms of this info
would be appreciated!

To send directly to me, please send to my internet addr:
grasso@cards.com

Thanks again!
From: garyh@slc.com (Gary Hade)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: "smart" diff tools (repost)
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:16:59 GMT

>from: garyh@servio.slc.com (Gary Hade)
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:14:56 GMT

I am reposting this message to let everyone know that I will post a 
summary to this group.  Based on the mail messages that were waiting 
for me this morning it appears that many of you are interested.
I am also giving it wider distribution.  Thanks to those of you that
have sent me mail so far!

The original message follows:

If this is a frequently asked question please forgive me for not
keeping up with everything posted to this group.

I am interested in opinions and recommendations concerning commercial
or public domain "smart" diff tools that would make it easier
to evaluate ASCII test output and reduce test maintenance.  Please
include names, addresses, and phone numbers if you have them.
Some of the features I would be interested in are:
   - Comparison that disregards portions of the test output that match
     specified patterns (prefer something similar to UNIX regular
     expression syntax).  It should be possible to define patterns that
     span multiple lines and are easier to maintain than complex awk
     scripts.  Should be able to define patterns that cause only a
     portion of a line to be disregarded.
   - Comparison that disregards portions of the output marked in a file
     containing test output that is known to be correct ("standard"
     comparison file).
   - Tools that will take the output from two or more test runs (known to
     be correct but different) and generate a pattern list and/or a marked
     "standard" comparison file.
   - Display differences in a parallel (side-by-side) format.
   - Ignore white space differences.
   - Source code available.
   - For UNIX systems.

I am aware of `exdiff' by Software Research, Inc.  Opinions on this
system would be appreciated?

Gary Hade
garyh@SLC.com
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: marbun@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Marbun,Leo P)
Subject: EDMS (Engineering Data Management System)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:36:00 GMT

Hi,

A friend of mine workA friend of mine works for a compl Sun workstations among
any other computers for business and Engineering) in Indonesia. Many of his
customers would like to purchase CAD/CAM and Plant Design softwares and
EDMS. If you know any of the software and its manufacturer, please let me know
and, if not too much a favor, include the contact person address (company or
Internet).

I'd appreciate your help.

Leo.
From: leilas@ems.cdc.com (Leila Schneberger)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: ORACLE CASE Tools
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:42:03 GMT
Reply-To: leilas@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of Ceridian

We are using the ORACLE CASE Dictionary v.5 and CASE Generator 2.0 tools
from Oracle. We are having some problems migrating from our CASE Dictionary v.4
database. Is anyone else using these products? How are issues of code control
being handled?

Any comments, feedback, advice are welcomed.
Thanks!

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: dedina@cup.portal.com (Michael J Dedina)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: code documentation tool wanted
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:56:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I need a tool for integrating code with its documentation, and allowing
the documentation to be extracted from the code (or vice versa).  I've
heard of WEB, but don't know much about it.  Can anyone comment on the
relative value of tools available.  And how they can be obtained?
Thanks...

Mike Dedina
dedina@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bertrand@socs.uts.edu.au (Bertrand Meyer)
Subject: Address request - Bill Wadge
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:11:45 GMT

I am using this medium after a few private attempts failed.
Would anyone reading this have the address (preferably
electronic) of Bill Wadge, who many years ago was doing
Lucid-related work with Ed Ashcroft?

Please reply by mail to bertrand@socs.uts.edu.au.
Thanks.

-- Bertrand Meyer
Interactive Software Engineering Inc., Santa Barbara
bertrand@eiffel.com
(Temporarily at University of Technology, Sydney;
mail to usual address will follow.)
From: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: BSD-specifics
Keywords: BSD
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:52:50 GMT
Reply-To: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


If anyone knows of a better newsgroup for this message then comp.software-eng, could they please either E-Mail me, or forward this article.

I am attempting to compile a list of BSD specific commands, bzero, bcopy, etc.  I need a list of these commands, coupled with functions/commands that they can be replaced with (under XPG3, POSIX etc), if possible.  Any help that anyone can give me would be much appreciated.

Jon

jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng