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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:55:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.200658.16184@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:
|> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
|> >Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  ...  This
|> >forces teams to abruptly change their approach in the fifth set.  For
|> >example, you can't afford to take a chance on a jump serve, because if
|> >you don't get the serve in, the other team gets a point.
|> 
|> On the contrary, you serve the way you usually do.  If your jump serve
|> is good enough that you'd use it consistently in the first four games,
|> you keep using it in the fifth game.

Reguardless of how it was supposed to work, in both matches (If I recall
correctly) the US was reduced to a single jump serve in the last set.
The style of play was clearly effected by the "speed scoring".

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.093425.22193@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.193716.8514@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>
>|> The practice of treating second foul/card/technical/... in a different way
>|> than the first simply because it has more palpable results is cowardly, unfair
>|> and contrary to the spirit of the rules of any sport. A violation is a viola-
>|> tion and should be treated equally no matter when it occurs.
>
>One account of the US/Japan game (which I'm not sure that I agree with at all,
>but I read it in either the Bos. Globe or NYT) was that the ref didn't want
>the game to end on a call that has nothing to do with the teams abilities.
>As such he did treat them differently and this (the paper argued) was what
>caused the mistake.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

You are probably right. My impression from watching the game was that he gave
him a yellow card as he normally would, then realized what the consequences 
would be and chickened out, happily welcoming the comment of an American
player (Timmons?) that the first card was given in the second set. BTW, these
words "second set" were very clearly heard in NBC broadcast both times (said
by the American player and by the ref), so it was obviously clear who got the
card.

Sven
From: xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (top three of women's all-around)
Summary: Gutsu competes as teammate is hurt.
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:48:35 GMT
Organization: chevron

In article <1992Jul30.205644.24215@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>
>........... the top three finishers were:
>
>1. Tatiana Gutsu, EUN
>2. Shannon Miller, USA
>3. Lavinia Milosevici, ROM
>
I am impressed by the prescience of the people who not only predicted 
that an EUN gymnast would be 'injured', but also correctly named the
victim.  I missed some of the competition last night; did the US
commentators discuss how convenient it was that the weakest of the
three EUN qualifiers got hurt to allow Gutsu to compete?

-- 
Parker Mann                    xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com
 
"Keep those cards and letters."
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 200m Breaststroke Heat 4
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:42:26 GMT

   Heat  4
 1.  Petri Juhani Suominen (Finland)                2:18.01
 2.  Pablo Minelli Mgnaterra (Argentina)            2:18.70
 3.  Alexandre Yokochi (Portugal)                   2:18.97
 4.  Borge Mork (Norway)                            2:19.11
 5.  Christian Poswiat (Germany)                    2:20.80
 6.  Gustavo Gorriaran Mauro (Uruguay)              2:21.25
 7.  Ricardo Torres Arguelles (Panama)              2:21.93
 8.  Aleksandre Savitski (CIS)                      2:24.58

Rod Swift
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From: ashe@royalt.enet.dec.com ("I don't want a personal name...")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Swimming question
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: ashe@royalt.enet.dec.com ("I don't want a personal name...")
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Several Aussie swimmers are predicted to do well, from what we've heard.
Perkins is picked for 2 golds, Julie McDonald for 2 silvers, and Linley
Frame as well.  For potential medalists, Samantha Riley and Haley Lewis
have been mentioned.
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1202 soc.culture.british:10779
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:43:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: The Society for Putting Broken Bedsteads into Ponds

killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) wrote:
 ) Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England are NOT countries.

I'll give you that Northern Ireland is a tricky one, but the one thing 
that you can safely say about the others is that they are countries.  /
What they aren't is states.  Shall we just make the charitable       /
assumption that English is not your first language?                 / g
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From: rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth)
Subject: Re: Difference between CIS and EUN
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:11:18 GMT

In article <i5zfwcz@Unify.Com> veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
>This is also the reason why they play the
>Olympic anthem, if someone from the Unified Team wins.  Again, the three 
>Baltic republics sent their own teams.

Currently, the Olympic anthem is played if one of the Unified TEAMS
wins an event, but if an individual from the Unified Team wins an
event the National Anthem from their republic and their republic's
flag is supposed to be flown.

I must admit that since I haven't gotten to watch very much of the
competition that I am not sure how this is working out, but that was
they way they were supposed to do it.

>
>Veit
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:30:58 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Jul22.064943.26262@tamsun.tamu.edu> rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth) writes:
>
>I also doubt that people in general would be willing to pay to see
>non-professionals.  Pros pack in stadiums better than do Colleges.
>Colleges do better than High Schools.  High Schools do better than
>grade schools.  One of the reasons for this is that the sport which is
>played is performed at a higher and higher level of technical ability.
>

Bogus! NCAA's March Madness with the Final Four on CBS is treated like religion
by many college basketball fans and the excitement level of the college
ball is by far greater than of any regular season meaningless NBA affairs.
College games are much more popular and draw better than many pro-teams
which are barely floating to stay alive thanks largely to over-inflated
major TV network contracts(NJ Nets which for years only sold out or drew
well when the Celtics or the Lakers came to town have to hope that NBC
Sports doesn't go bust on the Olympics and has some money to spend on
the next NBA contract in 2 years)

>I believe the Olympics and the IOC have done the right thing in
>allowing professionals in.  Why not pit the best from each country
>against each other and see who is the best.  Let the amateurs get good
>enough to become professionals and then they can take their time in
>the sun.
>

Yeh,if IOC cared to some degree about how the games are covered in the
US maybe it would take less money and give the rights to a broadcaster
who would actually show more Olympic sports than entertainment and sports-related
pieces. Why do Americans have to have an option of PPV and not the
Canadians or Germans? Why can't we get a normal sports-only TV coverage
like the rest of the PPV-free world?

>Just a differing opinion.
>Greg Dilworth

-Mark
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Whitewater boating coverage?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:17:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

   I only have access to NBC not PPV but would like to see all the whitewater
boating I can. Will any whitewater canoeing or kayaking be on NBC?
If not when will it be on PPV? 
   Finally will there be any kayaking or just canoeing. I have
seen whitewater canoeing on the events list but not kayaking.
Anybody know?

Thanks.

Peace, but not without justice,
zip


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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Volleyball Tourney Format?
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:07:28 GMT

In article 15509@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com () writes:
>Hello Net,
>
>Anyone with an update on the US-Canada Match?
>
>Also, how is the tourney formatted?  I know that the US pool consists of
>US,Canada,Spain,Japan, and Italy.  Are they taking only the top two teams? 
>Please let me know...
>
>Doug


Top 4 teams from two pools of six will play in a brackets playoff.
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball match
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:40:48 GMT

In article 6D0@newcastle.ac.uk, F.V.Brasileiro@newcastle.ac.uk (F.V.Brasileiro) writes:
>Peter Wung writes:
>> the Brazilians are notorious for their finger pointing, taunting, cussing, and emotional outbursts.  This is not to excuse the American behavior, but I can understand an occasional emotional outburst.  Samuelson is a very emotional player, I have seen him scream and yell at himself, just to get psyched.
>
>Recently the readers of this newsgroup have discussed about the bad behavior
>of American athletes (Barckley and Samuelson, precisely). Not only the opinions
>expressed im most of the post condemn the athletes attitude, but the refs in
>the respective games as well. These are facts. So, can you present some facts?
>Do the Brazilian misbehaved when they won the basketball in the PanAmerican
>games?
>
>Of course I don't get in the press the same news you get. I'd be glad to now
>more about the "notorious" Brazilian misbehave.
>
>Francisco Vilar Brasileiro (Yes, I'm Brazilian!)
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OK, I apologize for generalizing that all Brazilian athletes are bad sports, I know that the Brazilian men's volleyball players have been notorious in world competition.  I believe the Brazilian team in the 1988 olympics are the ones I had in mind.  They kept pointing, spitting, and cussing at the americans during their match together.  It got pretty bad, because I remember Karch Kiraly doing some hot dogging back at the Brazilians.  After the match, some of the Brazilians refused to shake hands and contin


ued to cuss at the americans. 

That is what I remember.  The point of my posting was to say that what Samuelson did
was not really out of line in the world of international volleyball, it may have been dumb, but not out of line.  Joel Despaign of Cuba was also a well known pain in the ass until very recently.
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From: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: competitive shooter
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:10:57 EST
Reply-To: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

-> >  * Shooting

-> In point of fact, Americans usually do quite *WELL* in the shooting
-> events.  Not that anybody would know about it, though, because as the

 Well in the last Olympics the US Shooting Team didn't do as well as we
would have liked.  Personally, I feel this is partly due to the
selection process.  For the '88 games they picked the Team from the '87
International Shooting Championships ...nearly one year in advance!?
This was a mistake.  Not to mention (also my opinion) many of the
shooters weren't focused enough, i.e. the mental training for the Games
just wasn't there.  I guess it boils down to the fact that a lot of us
wanted to see our shooters do much better.  I also don't feel that Dick
Domey, head coach at the '88 games, is completely at fault.  I found his
book, he sent it to me as a Christmas present in '88 very informative,
and read it on the plane for my 1 week vacation.  It proved to be very
valuable for the '89 games, where I was awarded 2 silvers and 1 bronze
medal.

 Unfortunately, I haven't seen all the (rifle) results, Mike Anti and
Bill Meek both didn't qualify for the final 8.  Bill's 596 (9th
place) just wasn't good enough, and Mike's 594 (18th place!) was not
like him.  I presume the conditions were a little rough, because Mike is
a better shooter.  I remember him shooting kneeling scores in the
396/400 range just a few years ago!

 Well we'll see how Both Foth and David Johnson due in 3-position over
the next couple of days.  I'm hoping at least one make it into the
shootoff.

 For the record, I remember in '88 the only converage for shooting was a
1-2 minute spot on Deena Wigger shooting air rifle.  It was probably
the only time I wasn't watching (for shooting), bad luck I guess.

  --Jeff
 US Shooting Team '89, 13th World Maccabiah Games
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Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:06:58 GMT

riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  ...  This
>forces teams to abruptly change their approach in the fifth set.  For
>example, you can't afford to take a chance on a jump serve, because if
>you don't get the serve in, the other team gets a point.

On the contrary, you serve the way you usually do.  If your jump serve
is good enough that you'd use it consistently in the first four games,
you keep using it in the fifth game.  The point is that offense in int'l
VB is so strong that if you serve "easy" to make sure it goes in, the
receiving team kills it easily.  So it's worth the risk of serving tough
(or as tough as usual) just to take something out of your opponents'
offense.  Teams tried to serve easy in the fifth game, but found out
that it just doesn't pay off.

BTW, your complaint against speed-scoring is shared by many other fans &
players.  On the other hand, it does at least insure that the match will
be decided quickly.  (USA and Japan were stuck at 7-4 in game 4 for
about 15 _minutes_.  The entire 5th game was over in less than that.)

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
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From: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing
Reply-To: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:33:30 GMT

In article <12394@coxm>, coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox) writes:
|> In article <_nkmy+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
|> >Damn cool way to light the torch. Pretty awesome looking.
|> 
|> If you saw NBC on Sunday night they showed another angle where the arrow went
|> up, over and down past the torch.  The must have had 1) a lot of gas flowing
|> out, or 2) remotely ignited it just in case he missed.  With 1) I would have
|> expected the arrow to wobble a bit from the "explosion" of gas below it if it had ignited the flame.  However just as the arrow becomes visible on the back
|> of the torch, only then does the torch ignite.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Michael H. Cox      | ". . . but there is some hope of a constitutional
|>                     |  settlement"  Monty Python 1971
|> Mitel Corporation   | "My Canada includes Alberta, B.C., P.E.I., N.S., N.B.,
|>                     | Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Sask., Yukon, Nfld, and N.W.T."


Who cares!!!!  It looked cool, let it go!!!!!!

josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who is the commentator in the diving?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:39:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <Bs16wI.KKC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>jshen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Jun Shen) writes:
>
>>In article <yzhou.712177156@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>>>Can somebody tell me who the female commentator is in the diving event?
>>>
>
>>She is Michelle ???, the silver medalist of last Olympics....
>
>        Michelle Lian (sp?) Williams, who is an awesome babe I must say
>

Michelle MITCHELL; Wendy Lian Williams won the bronze in 1988, but is not here.
ecw
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: A New World Record.
Originator: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:43 GMT


Lin Li of China grabbed the gold medal in 200m individual medlay with a 
new world record, beating Summer Sanders of the USA.

                                               ----CNN Sports



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From: nagordon@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: Track & Field
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:49:24 GMT

Marc Reider writes that Doug Padilla made the US World Champs team in the 5000
last year because he was the only finalist who had made the cut. Actually,
there was at least one athlete who had the cut and finished in the top 3: 
Bob Kennedy, graduate of Indiana and Westerville North High School here in
Columbus, who went on to make the finals and then qualify for the Olympics last
month. I got to race Kennedy once in high school, actually, although not head-
to-head: at a relay meet he anchored the 4X1600 relay and I lead off for
another team (they got first, we got second :-)). The only Olympian I've ever
competed against, although I have swum at meets that Joe Hudepohl has competed
in.
Anyone else care to share their experiences competing against Olympians?

nate
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: NBC's Phone Number
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:54:50 GMT

In article 16907@tamsun.tamu.edu, rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone had NBC's phone number so that I could call
>them up and complain about this triplecast thing.  You would think
>that with three channels going 24 hours a day for 16 days (1152 hours
>by my calculations) that they could show some less popular sports.

NBC-related: In the _Chicago Tribune_ INC column it mentions David Letterman's
inside slam at NBC's parent company General Electric. Apparently, in the credits
at the end of the show, pretty Japanese characters appear. Anyone who can
read Japanese can loosely interpret the characters to read "GE Sucks." Wonder
how long that will last.

Not even Bob Costas or Katic Couric could save us from this disaster. Or a 100-
point blowout of Angola by the Scream Team. :)

Sorry, no NBC tel#. Try again.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com), wondering where Prime Cable will fit
    the TripleCast in the lineup. Does that mean that the Korean and Vatican 
    Channels get the boot???

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