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From: whitwam@bnr.ca (Mark Whitwam)
Subject: Re: How's Cocoa Beach these days?
Reply-To: whitwam@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:11:25 GMT

In article <1k4esuINNs95@morrow.stanford.edu>, andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
|> 
|> >As far as rentals goes, there is the infamous Ron Jon surf shop (open 24
|> >hours a day). They have rentals, and it is worth seeing the spectical, so 
|> >check it out.
|> 
|> Looked more like the Ron Jon t-shirt shop to me.  The place was about a
|> block from my hotel and is the size of a decent size department store.
|> But all the boards were hanging from the ceiling.  Nice collection but
|> I didn't get the impression they sold very many of them.  At least not
|> compared to the many t-shirts.  On the other hand we did rent two boogie
|> boards from them.
|>

Your not critizing Ron Jon's are you?  I consider it my Mecca. :-)

When I was in Cocoa Beach last year, the rental huts I checked out
only had plastic surfboards, but Ron Jon's had a small selection of 
fiberglass boards for rent.  Not much of a selection, but I was able
to rent a board and a wet-suit for about $50 for the week.  (Is that
a good price?)  

|> 
|> Anyway, why would a boogie boarding session on mushy 3 to 4 foot faces
|> be so important?  Because I got my wife to try it with me.  Previously
|> she has tried body surfing but without contacts in.  This time she tried
|> boogie boarding with her contacts in and she had a GREAT time.  Mostly
|> she got whitewater rides, but it was actually pretty hard to get much else
|> on these waves.  On one of her first takeoffs she was fairly late and went
|> through the washing machine, but she didn't care and once I told her it
|> wouldn't get much worse than that in these conditions she really relaxed.
|> I think she is definitely psyched to go out more.  If it wasn't for all
|> the friends we had around that we wanted to visit with I bet we would
|> have gone out again.  She actually did want to dawn patrol the next
|> morning before we headed inland but then she stayed up till about 4AM
|> chatting and it was almost flat anyway (we were up by 8AM anyway to
|> watch the space shuttle come down).  Anyway, I got me a surf buddy!
|> A real nice one too. :-)
|> 

Glad your wife enjoyed the boogie boarding.  My ex-girlfriend put up with my
surfing, (or attempts there of) but that's about it.  Tanning is the only
activity she cares for on vacations. :-)  But my current girlfriend is keen 
on learning how to surf, and I want to encourage her before she changes her 
mind.  Any suggestions on a good vacaction spot for someone interested
in learning how to surf?  We would have to rent surf boards (or buy some used
ones) and lessons would be helpful.  I was thinking of South Carolina, but I
don't know of any good locations.  For some reason I can't find any 
travel agencies in Canada that know of good surfing locations. :-)     


hodad.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Bummin' at 38F (3C)
Organization: Quantum Reef Project (Big Island of Hawaii)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:42:54 GMT

>>>The .gif files over the wave_list have been an evil tease these days....
>>>KEEP EM COMING
>>>   O
>>>   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
>>>   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>>>  /     David Taylor Model Basin
>>>   \___________________________
>>>			     \\
>>
>>
>>Could someone send me instructions on how to get these .gif piccies , I'm
>>in need of something to cheer up this screen while dreaming of the surf !!
>
>Could you send them here too please -> johnc@muppet.bt.co.uk
>
>John Cummins

You can send an email message to wave-request@isle.pegasus.com to get on the 
list. As soon as you are added a reply will be sent back to you along with
some info about the list. The charter members didn't receive acknowledgment
but all new members do !!

I am including a list of all surf GIFs that have been posted so far. If you
have some you would like to submit, send them uuencoded to: 
			
			picture-submit@isle.pegasus.com

or

you can send them directly to the list (also uuencoded) and use the address:

			wave-list@isle.pegasus.com

.....Bud


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-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com


 Never call a man a fool; borrow from him.
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: let's have more crossposting!
From: ebrooks@netlink.cts.com (Eben Rosenberger)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:05:08 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

> I am fairly new to relationships period.  I have never had a
> girlfriend before and I have entered into a very new area of
> my life.  I found myself getting involved in a poly-such 
> relationship with a female who was currently had a boyfriend.
> She says that he is a poly-person and that was okay with her.
> He encouraged her to adopt the same ideas.  Her first try at
> this was with me.  As you can see, this leaves a very
> inexperienced situation.  As this is fairly new to me and to
> a point, also with this other female, I would appreciate any
> and all advice or information that anyone would be willing to 
> give me which would assist in my not collapsing under strains
> and pressures of ignorance.

I was in the same boat myself.  My first lover already had a lover, but 
he didn't mind that she had me, and I *THOUGHT* I didn't mind that she 
had him.  I was wrong.  It got ugly real fast.

I strongtly suggest you examine your feelings VERY closely.  If there is 
even a shadow of a doubt that you can handle being somebodies secondary 
without yet having been anyones primary, be prepared for things to get 
difficult.  I hope I am not assuming much by stating that you probably 
were brought up (like most of us) believing that monogamy was the ideal, 
and without having experienced the other alternative, you may still 
expect--not on a conscious level, but a visceral one--that your lady will 
be "true" to you alone.  You may, however, be one of those remarkable 
people who can adapt and adjust to the situation as readily as my first 
lover's lover did (for whom she was also HIS first lover--does this make 
sense?).  Also, another question that may arise is this: are you 
comfortable playing with her *at the same time as her primary boyfriend 
is playing with her?*  If you are, or could be, then this may be a way to 
dispell a lot of the tension and apprehension invovled in a "zig-zag" 
relationship.  You don't necessarily have to touch the other fellow, but 
making the woman the center of attention can be fun as well as relaxing, 
and can enable you to relate to the other man better, which may make your 
part easier.

The core of my advice is this: know yourself, and if you DON'T know 
yourself, GET to know yourself.  Find out if you can deal with the 
situation, and then act on that discovery.  I hope that your experience 
turns out to be a good one, and I hope you get out of it better than I 
did.  After all, we don't need more raving loonies out there.

--                    
INTERNET:  ebrooks@netlink.cts.com (Eben Rosenberger)
UUCP:   ...!ryptyde!netlink!ebrooks
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
From: jcripe@garnet.berkeley.edu (Janice E. Cripe)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: question to those involved in polyamorous relationships
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:10:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1k272hINNn22@alnitak.usc.edu> wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen) writes:
>I would like to know from you people your views/feelings on the
>following:
>
>Given the situation where two people are fully open-minded
>and educated to the various techniques, varities, games, toys, etc. of 
>lovemaking/sex would you, after a period of time, become bored with
>your monomogous partner?

Would _I_ become bored with Jamais?  Hardly!  The lengthy time (for
such young folks) that we have been together is much more of an
asset to our interest in each other than a liability.  The longer
we are together the more we have chances to explore new territory
together and learn more and more about how to love (or make love,
since your post seems geared towards sexual concerns) each other
in the most satisfying way.  I suppose some people might get bored,
but I'd guess that they aren't putting much effort into keeping
their interest up.

>Would your becomming "bored" have anything to do with your physical 
>attraction for this other person?

Nope.  My attraction to the other people I've been involved with
has had absolutely nothing to do with my situation with my husband
at all.  I am attracted to other people who stimulate me socially;
I like to make new friends and enrich my life through interacting
with others.  And sometimes I have sex with these people.  But my
decision/desire to have sex with these people has only to do with
my interest with each individual, not because I'm not getting what
I want at home.  Actually, our love making is (if possible) even
more intense and satisifying after I've been spending time with
someone else.  And the times when we share another lover are deeply
bonding for the two of us.


- Janice

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of course I'm poly and bi, no _one_ person could keep up with me!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: question to those involved in polyamorous relationships
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:18:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

I have just started reading this newsgroup and have not met many
others who have had polyamorous experiences.

I would like to know from you people your views/feelings on the
following:

Given the situation where two people are fully open-minded
and educated to the various techniques, varities, games, toys, etc. of 
lovemaking/sex would you, after a period of time, become bored with
your monomogous partner?

Would your becomming "bored" have anything to do with your physical 
attraction for this other person?

Sincere thanks for you time and comments,
Wayne
From: Jim.Swanson@f100.n944.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Jim Swanson)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Grammar Flame
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:42:38 -0600

In a message to All <19 Jan 93 00:04> in Usenet alt.polyamory John E. Clark
wrote:

 JEC> In article <727313533.AA06757@tdkt.kksys.com>
 JEC> Jim.Swanson@f0.n628.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (Jim Swanson) writes:

    + GL> Actually, while we're discussing Mr. Webster, I should note that both
    + GL> he and the OED 2 think that using "they" to refer to a singular
    + GL> antecedent is a fine thing to do.

 JS> +Hmm; the OED 1 doesn't go that far.  It does say that "they" has been
 JS> +used that way for a *long* time, but it doesn't appear to express a

 JEC> Since OED is 'A New Engish Dictionary
 JEC> Based on Historical Principles'(NED),
 JEC> 'a long time' may mean since middle english arose out of it's
 JEC> frenchified slough.

Yes, certainly.  What's your point?
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: BOOK RECOMMADATION
From: aali@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:06:28 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Hi everyone, interesting newsgroup and discussions!

I wonder if anyone can recommand a nice book about open-marriages.
A book that i can find in the libraries is preferable (my budget for
sex literature is limited this year  :-)    ).


   thanks in advance
From: cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jamais Cascio)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: question to those involved in polyamorous relationships
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:52:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1k272hINNn22@alnitak.usc.edu> wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen) writes:
>
>Given the situation where two people are fully open-minded
>and educated to the various techniques, varities, games, toys, etc. of 
>lovemaking/sex would you, after a period of time, become bored with
>your monomogous partner?
>
>Would your becomming "bored" have anything to do with your physical 
>attraction for this other person?


My wife and I started exploring other people _together_ within six
months of getting together ourselves.  It had nothing to do with
being bored with each other; it had everything to do with realizing
that, despite being a couple, we still were looking at other people.
Fortunately, my wife was also coming to terms with her bisexuality
at the time, so we spent a lot of time looking at/lusting over/
playing with the same people... ;)   We've been together for over
six and a half years, now, and we find each other even more exciting
now.  Boredom has _nothing_ to do with our polyamorousness.

There is an important issue you suggest, however.  My wife and
I discovered early on that being with someone new has an excitement
all its own, an excitement that is essentially impossible to
reproduce in an existing relationship.  There is a real turn on
to learning a new body, a new person, having that person explore
you.  I can well imagine that someone new to non-monogamy might
mistake that new excitement for boredom with the 'old' partner
("Gee, I don't feel this with X anymore, maybe I'm bored with
him/her/hir?").  Don't worry-- this flush of excitement with the
new person will go away soon enough on its own...

Does this help to answer your question?

Jamais A. Cascio             \\  "I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass"
cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu    \\                       -me
                               \\    "Too bad you never had a choice"
                                \\                      -my wife
**************************************************************************
From: wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Annoying experience
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:54:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

In article <93028.101642SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm the local contact for our polyamory discussion group.  That means
>I get some weird phone calls.
>
>Last night at 1am, a guy called me.  I was asleep, but I tend to view
> ... stuff deleted...
>
>Why do people feel compelled to do this?  He seemed like a perfectly nice
>guy who just wanted information -- so why couldn't he just leave it at
>that?
>
Are you serious? You don't know!
The guy is:
(1) stupid
(2) thinks that because you are involved in poly-relationships suggests to
    him that you are into casual sex (a free spirit, or something of that
    nature).
(3) (1) and (2)

Personally, i would have played my cards a little smarter. He should have
asked to call you back at a more reasonable time and talk with you a lot
longer.... Perhaps, talked for a few days then suggested that you two meet--
assumming that you had enough in common.

My advise to someone like this is that s/he should take 
out an add in a newspaper
(you all know what papers circulate in your area with such adds),
be frank about what s/he's looking for and wait for replies.
Alternatively, s/he could "hit the bars". 

end of my $0.02.
********************************************************************

I have a question:

The fact that you are a "local contact for polyamory discussion group"
confuses me. I'm new to the group; maybe i haven't been reading
your discussions long enough. Whatever the case, could you (or someone else)
explain why such a discussion group would exist? If its emotional problems,
shouldn't you refer them to professional councilling. I can understand if
someone would want to just talk to someone else with similar experiences
(eg bisexual to bisexual, poly to poly ?, etc.). If this is all that
your discussion group is, fine. 

Thank you in advance for your opinions,
Wayne Sonnen
From: cds@ossi.com (Chris Seabrook)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: question to those involved in polyamorous relationships
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:13:20 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: foucault.ossi.com

wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen) writes:

>Given the situation where two people are fully open-minded
>and educated to the various techniques, varities, games, toys, etc. of 
>lovemaking/sex would you, after a period of time, become bored with
>your monomogous partner?

>Would your becomming "bored" have anything to do with your physical 
>attraction for this other person?

I think you are comming at this with some inaccurate pre-conceptions. A
poly relationship is not just something to be tried when monogomy isn't working.
Our relationship has always been poly, it's something we talked over and
agreed on very early, although there have been longish periods when it has
been monogamous. By and large these periods of apparent monogamy have simply
been times when other relationships haven't been in progress.

I would turn your question on its head and ask 'just beacause your are in
a realtionship which you are happy with (or at least not bored with), why
should this preclude you or your SO from pursuing other relationships ?'

From my experience, other relationships very much add to the pleasure of a
primary relationship rather than substituting for it.
-- 
Chris Seabrook, Open Systems Solutions Inc | Email: cds@ossi.com
6121 Hollis Street                         | Phone: (510) 652-6200 x118
Emeryville, CA 94608-2092                  | Fax:   (510) 652-5532
         Per saltire gules and Or, a sun counterchanged.
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.personals.poly,alt.sex
From: pjbulfor@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Pete "the Frog" Bulford)
Subject: Re: Pete the Ignorant
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:01:01 GMT

>: >> [intro to Pete's life starting as a poly-person...]
>: >[Some advice for Pete]
>: <Sigh>  This poly-stuff is much more complicated in action
>: than in words.
>
>You've said a mouthful there, Pete.  One thing I think is great about this
>group, is that no-one here is likely to bullshit about some utopian ideals
>and claim that there aren't difficulties to overcome in living a poly
>lifestyle, after all, what kind of lifestyle _doesn't_ contain difficulties
>of some sort?

Thanks.  Sometimes one requires support without being misled.  *HUG*

>[ three-way poly relationship vs. independent relationships...]
>
Three-way seems to be the way that this is going although perhaps
I shall look into the independance of said relationships.

>Okay, enough running off at the mouth.  Keep the progress reports coming.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>--Lorreen
>
Very well then:

I have finally met the man of the primary relationship and
I have discovered that we can get along.  I don't know how
easy he is with me around however.  I played very careful
and even perhaps so careful as to go to one extreme.  I may
have goofed in trying too hard to make myself out to be an
'okay' kind of guy.  I didn't deceive him in any fashion, 
I just was cooperative and friendly.  He and I could get 
along very well.  He seemed to like me and accept me for who
I am.

My relationship with her is developing with only a small bit
of uncertainty.  Overall, I would say that things are going 
rather well aside from the fact that I have still not 
developed a primary relationship of my own yet... <sigh>...

Feel free to email me.

Pete

Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: freddy@sci.kun.nl (Freddy Aries)
Subject: Re: A song about polyamory
Keywords: Rock 'n Roll
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:44:49 GMT

"We're gonna find a new way to love
 Find out what satisfies us
 The good old ways just ain't good enough
 We're gonna find a new way to love"

    -- REO Speedwagon, "New Way To Love", from the album "Life As We Know It"

Anyway, scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig) wrote:

>Check this out -- I found a song on one of my CDs that is about
>polyamory. 

[rest deleted]

I like this new thread, and I hope  more people will contribute songs
to it. Here's my contribution, consisting of 2 songs that deal with
different aspects of society in relation to polyamory: the first song
is about the general acceptance of polyamory, the second one more
specifically about the issue of jealousy.

                -----------------------------------

   Olivia Newton-John  -- "Culture Shock"  (from the album "Soul Kiss")

I've been trying to tell you
I've been putting it off, putting it off
I can't wait any longer

You've been good to me, and that only makes it harder
To say what I gotta say

You gotta know, I didn't plan it, it was the last thing on my mind
How can you love two people at the same time?
Now I don't wanna lose you, but I can't give him up

 Chorus:
I know it's unconventional, radical, but practical
Why can't the three of us live together?
It's a culture shock, but it's the only hope we've got
So tell me, why can't the three of us live together?

If I could go back and undo it, if I had a time machine
I'd make it unhappen, like a bad dream

Honey, you gotta know, I didn't plan it, it was the last thing on my mind
How can you love two people at the same time?
Now I don't wanna lose you, but I can't give him up

chorus

You're not taking this too well
It's out of the question, I can tell
It's not gonna work, is it?

I know it's unconventional, it's radical, but practical
I don't wanna lose you, no, but I'm not gonna give him up, no
It's a culture shock, but it's the only hope we've got
Tell me, why can't the three of us live together?

I know it's unconventional, radical, but practical
Why can't the three of us live together?
It's a culture shock, but it's the only hope we've got
So tell me, why can't we all live together?

                    -------------------------------

        "It Don't Bother Me" -- Chris Thompson (from the album
                                     "The High Cost Of Living")



>Later,
>Stu
From: sechrest@frisby.CS.ORST.EDU (John Sechrest)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: BOOK RECOMMADATION
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:52:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: frisby.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan24.010628.1@vax1.umkc.edu> aali@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Hi everyone, interesting newsgroup and discussions!
>
>I wonder if anyone can recommand a nice book about open-marriages.
>A book that i can find in the libraries is preferable (my budget for
>sex literature is limited this year  :-)    ).
>


Try:

	The New Faithful - A PolyFidelity Primer by Ryam Nearing 
	ISBN 0-9622144-0-X
	
	
	from:
	PEP
	P.O. Box 5247
	Eugene Oregon 97405
	
	Last time I looked, it was $7.95
	
	
					Johns
					


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