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From: saidin@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ainalidha Saidin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:27:31 GMT
Organization: UB

lai@icbl.hw.ac.uk (Lai-Mui Ching) writes:

>I think the general public must consider that when Hudud laws are implemented 
>for a nation or state, will the be implications even if the government 
>promised that non-Muslims are not under this law.

>For instance, lets look at Kelantan.
>Now it is an Islamic state (am I right?) ...well even if it has yet be one, 
>the Hudud laws (as I know) have already been implemented.
>Because of what the laws say, certain practices in the society...even 
>lifestyle has to changed.
>No women pictures in advertisement..petty it may seem but such act has 
>implications. Fair enough if Muslim men are not to look at women uncovered 
>faces...but not so for non-Muslims men! Am I right ? 
>How about dress code for women in the public ? 

	I believe you have misinterpreted as to what is Hudud Law. Hudud
Law basically deals with criminal offences. However, there is a gray area
of the subject in cases where for example, a gang of robbers are composed 
of Muslims and Non-Muslims. Would they try the Muslims under Hudud Law 
and the rest under civil law? That is, I think, better left with the 
lawyers and lawmakes.
	For now, I think what ever exists out there in books that talk
about Islamic law, talk about it in an ideal sense and could be slightly 
different in implementation in Malaysia. But it would make good reading as 
it would make us all understand better what is Hudud Law.

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From: @CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:tony@eighty.column.world
Subject: Basic Elements of Sacarsm
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:12:30 -0700
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beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:

[.. boring nonsensical "duongoo" stuff deleted ..]

Hey take a lesson on "80 Column Editing" before
you try to teach us about sacarsm. Try it on you
students first if you are a TA.


Tony
Its an 80 Column World
From: u9130233@golum.riv.csu.edu.au ( Terminator II)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Shoping in Singapore
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:04:48 GMT
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia


     Dear netter,
         Singapore shopping normally start at 10:10 am and most of the
shops close at 10:00pm.


Alan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:06:21 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <920816202020.216010fd@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>  A degree is a degree is a degree, regardless the University attended.

Except one BOUGHT from an unknown community college in the US.

>  I believe most, if not all, companies and Government institutions in
>  Malaysia offer the same salaries to graduates of any foreign University.

No, not quite true.  JPA "recognises" only certain foreign universities.
If you are one of the unlucky who got a degree from a uni that JPA
does not recognise, you will not be able to use it to apply for a 
job with the govt.

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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Malaysians/Singaporeans in Montreal ...CallMe!
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:24:48 GMT

In article <9208140609.AA28810@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com>, @CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:tony@cs.carl.edu writes:
|> > yoyo! 
|> > this is a test only lah!   <----echoy@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca writes
|> 
|> Jerk! You think it's very funny. You must be very lonely 
|> up there ha? The summer too cold?
|>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> tony

That's right!! It snow's here every day of the summer. 
The national dress is the parka and we wear snow shoes
all year long!! 

NOT!!
-- 

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e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Aug9.183513.3216@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>
	<1992Aug14.012237.26290@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:03:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.012237.26290@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
{stuff deleted}

   P.S. - isn't it interesting that there is a widespread belief that most 
   Chinese have no qualms in eating raw monkey's brains, etc when most of
   them prefer their beef WELL DONE.

Uh...actually, raw monkey's brains were indeed a delicacy about one generation
back.  It's only the later generations who've not heard of it.

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From: yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:22:56 GMT

>Who cares about which degree is more prestigious than other's!!!
> [ stuff deleted ]

Yes I think discussions of which degree from which university
is better is not interesting. We should not continue the
discussion along this line.
Aparently, the Malaysian government carries a different viewpoint
IF what I said in my original posting were true.
Notice that the difference directly affects one's salary 
because it's derived from one's pay scale.

It would be nice if someone with inside knowledge of this matter
can respond. Is it true ? If so, what's the reason ?
What's the history of such policy ?
Does similar rules applied to other government jobs ? 

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\  Department of EECS           |                             /
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ystan@fawlty6.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: MYA: Mahatir proposes National Service for Malaysians
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:19:00 GMT

brobles@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:


>> This is from SBC 5 news.  They reported that apparently Dr Mahatir is
>> proposing that national service be introduced for Malaysians as a means
>> to address the decreasing numbers joining the Malaysian armed forces.

>Great, more gung-ho, trigger happy, psychotic individuals with access to live
>ammo. Just what a Third World country needs. Maybe we could start our own   
>"Star Wars" programm !!!!!

>B. Robless

	Umm..umm! Every now and then, there's news about psychos shooting in
the streets in US. Seems like "Star Wars" ( or perhaps John Rambosss ) is in
action there.
	:-)
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Ooops
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:15:07 GMT


Excuse me
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:46:47 CDT

In article <1992Aug15.164059.20611@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.070423.27185@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.210737.14270@eecs.nwu.edu>, yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap) writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also US master degree is considered equivalent to British degree with
>>> honors, obviously at "lower level" than British master degree.
>>> 
>>> Can some insider shed some light on this subject matters.
>>> 
>>> What is the situation like in Singapore ?
>>> 
>
>	[US institution stuff deleted]

>	(British based system) a student can apply directly to Med/Law
>	school after his/her A level. Does this fact proves that these
>	majors suck compared to those from the US? NO!!
>
>	If the US degree is worth less than that from the US, then I
                                                          ^^ 

	       Oops!! UK that is.


>	whose only client is the money, or an engineer who is
>	environmentally and socially blind. (I do not imply that the
>	system back home always produces these technological junks,
>	It happens too in the US, very often. I raise these questions
>	just for the sake of the discussion.)
>
>	My 2 cents.
>
>
>
Happy! Happy!
Ting Beng Tak
beng@cae.wisc.edu
	



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From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Faculty of Engineering
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.210737.14270@eecs.nwu.edu>, yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap) writes:
> 
> I was recently told that a Bechlor degree from a US university
> is considered "lower level" than a similar degree from UK,
> Malaysia/Singapore and other British colony country's university.
> The reason seems to be that they spend 2 more years for A level (STPM)
> while in US you go to a univerisity after O level (SPM).
> 
> An example I heard is in Malaysian teacher's pay scale.
> Bechlor degree teachers have three pay scale:
> 1. British degree with honors 2. British degree without honors
> 3. US degree.
> 
> Also US master degree is considered equivalent to British degree with
> honors, obviously at "lower level" than British master degree.
> 
> Can some insider shed some light on this subject matters.
> 
> What is the situation like in Singapore ?
> 
> 
> -- 
> /  Gary (Kok-Hoo) Yeap		|   Email: yeap@eecs.nwu.edu  \
> \  Department of EECS           |                             /
> /  Northwestern University      |                             \
> \  Evanston, IL 60208           |                             /
> 
> 

Hello! Mate,

Are you sure about the message above?

What I would like to know is, how about the degrees from Aussie? Will they 
be any different from the ones of UK?

Many thanks.

HP.
Don't misread my name as Hewlett Packard. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: haibin@tdd.sj.nec.com (Haibin Sun  x2929)
Subject: Look for a native Malay speaker for translation
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Distribution: snjs
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:51:51 GMT


I wish I am in the right news group to put the following ad.

This post is for my friend. If you are interested in the position
please contact him directly.

Looking for a native Malay speaker from Malaysia to do some translation
related work in Telecommunication Industry in San Jose.

Must be a us permanent resident or have work permit.
Technical background is a plus.
Master in Malay and English is a must for report purpose.

Contact:
	(408)321-5263 Ed
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Shoping in Singapore
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Aug21.040310.9823@massey.ac.nz>, A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) writes:
|> Hi!
|> Can anybody provide me the time for shoping in Singapore. I mean what time
|> usually shops open and close?.
|> Thanks
|> Altaf

Most shops (in shopping areas) open between 10am-11am and close between 9pm-10pm.
Saturday hours tend to be longer, e.g. many closes at 11pm.

Hope this helps.
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: echoy@alfred.carleton.ca (Eugene Choy)
Subject: Malaysians/Singaporeans in Montreal ...CallMe!
Summary: mays
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:02:26 GMT

yeah!
can all you Malaysians/Singaporeans who are residing or studying in Montreal
CANADA, please 
contact me...


I would like to know more people from that area!

thanks
BTW smile :-) and don't be sad :-(

echoy@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:13:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.095326.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> 
> In UK, it appears to me that Asian refers to the Indian/Pakistani community,
> while Oriental refers to the Chinese community.
> 

What about Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Laoist ..., what you do
refer them as ? Earthlings ?

-Osbert (patented artificial smiley appended)



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From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:43:13 GMT

yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee):
>
> 0)   Numero Uno ... a Doomsday Soothsayer.
> i)   majority of the things ... are generalizations
> ii)  information is horribly contorted
> iii) information is very inaccurate
> iv)  sensationalization
> v)   I [Dennis] may be short of a sense of humor


Correct on all counts.


-Num

"In Singapore they cut your hair, they cut your hair in Singapore."
	- Little River Band
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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
X-Unparseable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20: 20:20 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:20:24 GMT


  A degree is a degree is a degree, regardless the University attended.
  I believe most, if not all, companies and Government institutions in
  Malaysia offer the same salaries to graduates of any foreign University.

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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Weather forecast
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:42:54 -0500
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From the keyboard of Numero Uno, who writes:

>Why do they bother with the weather forecast if all they can predict
>is "hujan di-sana sini" (there will be sporadic rainfall) ?

  Because sporadic rainfall is all we're ever going to get, aside
  from the December monsoon. Weather conditions in Malaysia and
  Singapore do not vary very much, and the mean temperature and
  rainfall stay relatively constant in any given year. This does
  not give meterologists in both countries much to begin with. 
  However, in response to your first question as to why they bother
  to give predictions at all, such other information as barometric
  pressure, daily temperature, and the like are of interest to a lot
  of people; for example, travelers, fishermen, persons in aviation, 
  to name just a few.

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sci10019@nusunix2.nus.sg (YU HONG WEY) writes:

> You are excused.

And you are to be executed 8).
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:41:59 GMT

sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli):

>Numero Uno:
>> ... Then came the liberalisation of soft-porn movies to
>>titillate population growth.  ...

>  This is odd usage if I ever saw one. Soft-porn movies become
>  "liberalized", and they go on to "titillate" the growth of
>  the population.

It's Singlish; words (in this case the gerund "screening") are
sometimes omitted, if the meaning is obvious from the context.

An example:

	I got very kind mother
	(Here "mother" is non-specific because it is obvious
	to the speaker that she has only one mother)

Another example:

	I cook myself
	(I cook for myself)


-Num
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From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:00:13 GMT

u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE):
: >
: > Based on what fact do you conclude that things in Singapore is
: > deteriorating rapidly?
: 
: There is no respect left in Singapore.  On the USENET, the newbies do
: not respect their elders or betters.  In the homes, daughters-in-law
: 		    ^^^^^^
:	[deleted stuff]
: 
: 
: -Num

People worth respecting are called elders if they are older than
oneself, those who are not worth respecting are called 'lao jiao' or old
bird.
*hiakhiak*

"dui4 niu2 tan2 qin2 zhen2 shi4 lang4 fei4 shi2 jian1"

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From: smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:07:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Distribution: na
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Chris M. Kim) writes about the flying disaster that is NW airlines:
All I can say is ditto, ditto, ditto.  NW went off my list of airlines
to be used in 1987 after a series of unbelievable incompetencies; many
complaints and letters brought no satisfaction.  Having never
encountered such an arrogant company, I removed them from the list of
possibles and have never reconsidered.

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From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: Re: Basic Elements of Sarcasm (RE: was Re: Give credits to Othman Ahmad)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.192311.26679@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:

[Chem lecture notes deleted]

>	For more details, call 1-800-SARCASM, or come to Wisconsin next summer, and take
>	Sarcasm 101.
>
>	Have a nice day. Enjoy the sunshine!
>
Darn! Should have gone to Wisconsin. They sure do
teach science with a difference.

(:-) envious mode)
Weng Leong
Stanford U.

>
>Happy! Happy!
>Ting Beng Tak
>beng@cae.wisc.edu


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From: yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap)
Subject: US vs British university degree
Originator: yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:07:37 GMT

I was recently told that a Bechlor degree from a US university
is considered "lower level" than a similar degree from UK,
Malaysia/Singapore and other British colony country's university.
The reason seems to be that they spend 2 more years for A level (STPM)
while in US you go to a univerisity after O level (SPM).

An example I heard is in Malaysian teacher's pay scale.
Bechlor degree teachers have three pay scale:
1. British degree with honors 2. British degree without honors
3. US degree.

Also US master degree is considered equivalent to British degree with
honors, obviously at "lower level" than British master degree.

Can some insider shed some light on this subject matters.

What is the situation like in Singapore ?


-- 
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/  Northwestern University      |                             \
\  Evanston, IL 60208           |                             /
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From: anakrusa@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anak nakRusaNani)
Subject: don't read
Summary: don't read
Keywords: don't read
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:27:21 GMT


this is a test. don't be alarmed.
this is alarmed. don't be a test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:08:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.103805.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.231346.474@natinst.com>, fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:
>
>> What about Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Laoist ..., what you do
>> refer them as ? Earthlings ?
>
>These people are usually referred to by their respective nationalities.
>Don't ask me why.  In news reports here, any mention of Asians always refer
>to the Indian/Pakistani communities, but never to the Chinese.

THis has more to do with the fact that the majority of Asians in UK are
Indians/Pakistani and very few 'East Asians'. Hence when people use the
term Asian in UK, it means Indian/Pakistani.

ON the other hand, in US/Canada, the term Asian implies 'East Asian'
because there are many more of East Asians as opposed to Indian/Pakistani.

Regarding the subject title, I agree that an ASian is not necessarily
an Oriental as the set 'Oriental' is a subset of 'ASian'.


regards
waseem
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