From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:32:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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AbdelJawad writes:

>First, the quote from 'ElBaqarah' can be interpreted in two ways:
>1.  That it applies specifically to the return of the prophet to Mecca
>    (see the verse about the Sacred Mosque)

   - If you read all the verses before and after this, you will find
     the talk to all believers(muslims), not only the Prophet.  It talks
     about charity, the matter of the slain, wealth writing at time
     of death, fasting, Ramdan month, Hajj,  **FIGHTING the verse
     that is mentioned**, the Hajj laws..
   - The Scared Mosque was mentioned in this verse because Arabs
     agreed not to fight in it out of respect to this holly place.  However,
     if unbelivers fight there, muslims don't have to stop fighting them.
   - If some laws were applied at the time of the prophet, it
     doesn't mean they are all dead after he dies.  If today's muslims
     believe in charity, the matter of the slain, wealth writing at time
     of death, fasting, Ramdan month, Hajj laws, etc,
     why is fighting considered excluded despite they are mentioned
     alltogether?
   - In verse 194 out of the same Sorat, two verses after the one quoted,
     it makes so clear and general what it means by sacred things.
     Sacred Mosque is just one of many..

194. The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things
are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts
aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the
injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to
Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

>2.  That it applies in general to combat
>Second, even if we use the second interpretation, *your* post is misleading
>because this has nothing to do with the 'Jews'.  In that case, it applies
>equally (if not more strongly) to Spain as well as Israel (After all, the
>Israelis 'claim' they bought rather than kicked the Palestinians out of
>their land, whereas the 'Inquisition' made no such excuses!).  How come
>I don't hear you hollering about the invation and destruction of Spain
>(and Portugal and parts of France) in the name of Islam?ting agression.

>(After all, the Israeli 'claim' they bought rather than kicked the
>Palestinians out of their land, whereas the 'Inquisition' made no such
>excuses!).
How silly!!  They bought!!  And you beleive that if they calim?
Where did the palestinians allover the world come from?
Did they sell their lands for the jews and got out?
Are you ok?

Plus, Spain my friend is not forgotten thing for muslims.  However,
there is a difference.  Spain is dead at this point of time, but
Palestine is bleeding and Israel danger is far bigger than Spain.
What takes a higher priority?  Taking care of a bleeding or dead person?
But, but, but don't understand that Spain is a forgotten issue
to muslims?  Inshallah, it will come back to Islam and muslims whether
you like it or not.  The same applies for Bosnia and all muslim countries.
Maybe muslims don't have the means to do it now, but they will eventually.

>Third, I fail to see what the quotes from 'ElIsraa' have to do with the
>current Arab-Israeli conflict.  There is a reference to two promises to
>the Jews:  The first has already been fulfilled (see Israa' 5) and the
>second is referred to as 'Wa'ad AlAkhera ' (see Israa'7) which you
>translate as "the second promise" which completely avoids the mention
>of the 'Akhera' or Hereafter.  It seems to me (and if you think I'm wrong,
>tell me why *calmly*) the second promise has to do with what will happen
>at the end of time.

For this, read Bulbul post or refer to some Tafseer, like Ibin Katheer,
Qurtobi, Tabree, ...  You simply making false interpetation on your
own.
That was my point in the first place, you are just telling lies on
Islam.  Be my guest and tell your personal opinion, but don't try to
say Islam says this or that.

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