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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:12:00 EDT
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From:         BUHITELA%SUNYJCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: jones/ethnicities

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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<Sayeth        Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
<
<> it...I just thought my Welsh was showing.
<
<     Wait a minute, it still may be.  I am Scottish, Irish, and Welsh.
<Quick, what are the heredities of the rest of the BWP's.  Is BWP'ing
<an 'ethnic' thing?
<
<The Ronin

My mother used to say some aggravating thing would "get her German up",
although as far as I could determine, she didn't have any German to
get up. My father is German though.  Maybe she was talking about him...

Les (German, English, Left-on-a-doorstep, American Indian, French)

(I edited the local Greens news for a few months, but printed something
offensive to the PC police and was relieved of those duties.)

(I saw the original answer to the "Jones" question, but my smutty
little brain read it as "withdrawal penis"!  Is there a word (besides
dyslexia) for such misreadings?)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago is flooded...

>Guess we won't be hearing from our friends at uchicago for awhile...
                                          |
                                          +- huh ?

And what do you mean, "won't be hearing" ?

tushar
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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        Interesting to see so much hate for teasers here!  Is this so
common?  If so, I missed out.  I don't hate anyone from when I was
growing up.  Of course, I wasn't teased all that much.  Not because
I wasn't low in the pecking order or infinately teasable, but because
it never really got a reaction out of me.  It never made me unhappy.
I don't even think I noticed the vast majority of it -- I've always
been in my own little world a lot of the time, completely absorbed
in whatever I'm enjoying (this led to me getting kicked out of quite
a few classes in high school).
        I only remember two instances that ever got to me.  The first
was when I was in third grade.   A bunch of us used to sing at the
back of the bus on the way home from school.  At the time we were
learning "Take me home country roads" by John Denver for chorus, and
the back-of-the-bus contingent wanted the words so we could sing it
on our own.  Well, I always finished my busy-work assignments earlier
than anyone else anyways, so one day I hand-copied the lyrics 10 times
for the group.  For some reason, Carolyn Campbell chose that day to
pick on me, my poor handwriting, and everything about me.  I remember
looking at her straight in the eye and telling her that if she was so
terrific, the next time she wanted lyrics copied she could try and finish
her work early and do it herself.  The rest of the group sort of shutup
and I think Carolyn hates me to this day.  The other time was in high
school.  For some reason Tammy Capperella, who was acknowledged to
be the toughest girl, tried to pick a fight with me during gym.  She'd
been ribbing me all week, but while playing floor hockey, she started
checking me a lot and playing rough.  I proceeded to knock the shit
out of her during the game while our gym teacher -- my FIELD HOCKEY
coach -- looked on in amusement.  She probably still hates me, too.
        The only satisfaction I get is that the "in" crowd is doing
a lot more poorly than I am.  I'm immensely pleased that I -- who
was widely believed to end up in a dead-end menial job -- am doing
far better than those who went to expensive schools and were voted
"most likely to succeed".  I grinned WIDE when I got my reunion invite
and noticed that all the class officers were still living at home.

Czarina
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:39:02 EDT
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: For Sports Fans of Feminine Gender (Hi Emi

>Posted on 6 Apr 1992 at 21:35:19 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: For Sports Fans of Feminine Gender (Hi Emily
>
>Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:06:00 MDT
>Reply-To:     English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@UGA.BITNET>
>From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ@MSCD.BITNET>
>
>Posteth Doctor QXN148 from the University of Alpha Cnetauri
>
>> play. It revolves around the almighty dollar$
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>     Given the nature of the list and the personalities on it, this
>topic has surely mean beaten to death once before, but it is one of my
>pet peeves.  The '$' is not almighty.  Rather the value it is used to
>measure and the desire to have it are the driving forces.
>
>The Ronin
O.k. so the dollar may not be almighty but, it was just a phrase I didn't mean
literally. I was being sarcastic.  Chill.
The Lisa doctor of nothing
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: America's Cup
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>I wonder if any of the boats are going to start carrying 2x6s
>stowed belowdecks to effect repairs.


I wonder how many spare $150,000.00 booms they brought with them.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:14:00 EST
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      RE: Putting Aaron's school online

Rita sez:

>        Carl Kadie is pretty eloquent about this.  Now, before someone
>goes off and sez that Carl just sees thing one way, etc., you might want
>to go check out some of his arguements and background stuff cuz even if you
>don't agree, Aaron's administration might...  Sounds like your school is
>stuck in the mid-80's somewhere.  You might also want to find out the
>rationale for big schools putting their entire student bodies online, like
>Penn State, MIT, UMASS Lowell, Carnegie Mellon, etc.

The Ronin sez:

>     On the other hand, one could always attempt to appeal to the CC's
>sense of greed.  If they were servicing a larger protion of the
>student body they would naturally deserve a larger piece of the pie
>and need to get more equipment and rise politically.  Perhaps what is
>needed is for a rabble rouser of sorts to convince enough of the
>student body of the advantages of network access ('free' mail and
>phone service to friends at other institutions, for example) to get
>the attention of the administration (school and CC).
>
>     I bring this up only because I have found that people are more
>receptive to your demands if they think they will benefit from
>helping.  NOTE: This is a generalization of the population as a whole.
>I have also known a large number of people who would help to be
>helping.

I'm collecting all of this info (thanx for the extract, neal), and will
try to compile it into a proposal that I can give to the University's
president.  He still teaches a class (in Russian history; watch these
threads congeal!), so I can easily ambush him during his office hours.

--Aaron
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 12:25:49 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Understatement of the Year

In fact "countries in which my passport is not valid" itself sounds a
bit bizarre.

tushar
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp

I want the Elvis of 1955!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:13:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>Sayeth Doctor Evelyn Duncan

I haven't even graduated.  Maybe I can have an honorary doctorate?
>
>| >     My favorite was "I Want My Baby Back".  I really dug the words.
>|
>| I, too, especially the last part where he digs up her coffin. :-)
>
>     He didn't quite dig her up.  He dug down and crawled in.  :-)

Just as creepy.  :-)

>
>The Ronin

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:27:10 CDT
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: flipping channels
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In article <Pine.1.0.12.9204151858.A2046@perkins.tenet.edu> Doris Smith
 <dorisann%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>Re: channel flipping "may" be a predominantly male behavior pattern
>
>Why, of *course* it is.  Are any of you men driven bananas by wives who
>flip channels?  My theory is that it is all related to the male
>dominance thing - you know, king of the castle, tsar of the tv, and all
>of that.

Well, I'm not married but...

My sister is a big sports fan.  I unwittingly bought here a TV for
Christmas a few years ago with a button on its remote that lets her
switch instantly between two channels.  And it seems that there always
happens to be two sporting events on at the same time whenever I'm
home.

My problem is that I'm pretty uninterested in sports (except when
the Redskins are having a good year) and read while she watches.
I can easily tune out any TV show.  But a sudden change in sound
from a channel change brings me up every time.  And she does this
more or less continuously through two hour sporting events.
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:44:03 EDT
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Reference
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My son mentioned a quotation from Gordon Liddy, which
I now can't exactly remember..."What does not destroy
us makes us stronger"? We think he was probably quoting
someone or something else. Can someone help us?

love, judith, a *real* mama some of the time
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:22:22 EDT
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From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38
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.Matter of fact, you can read (or understand) *any* language,
.as long as you already know what the person is saying. A waiter
.         ...
.Also instructions on packages of Swedish cake mix...
.judith

Even with good step by step graphics and loanwords in katakana
which are interspersed in the directions I often had trouble
with japanese boxed mixes. There would often be a crucial bit
of information I couldn't extract.

Probably a character based problem ;-)

Don
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From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Happy birthday, Karen!
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.    Wishing you a wonderful day and many more of them.
.    ndh

I'll nth that! Happy Birthday, Karen!!

Don
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:11:04 +0200
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38
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              08 Apr 92 10:39:29 -0400. <9204081455.AA27921@sics.se>

  Judith remarks:

>Also instructions on packages of Swedish cake mix...

  Ah, but did you manage to read the fine print at the bottom? I mean
the microscopic lines that read (skipping the dots):

           Observera: tillverkaren ansvarar inte for effekten av
           att ata kakor bakade med denna mix av moderliga
           kvinnor aktiva i internationellt utbyte av
           elektronisk post.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:51:00 GMT
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Another Doctor coming out of the shadows...

Words-lers,

  I have now lurked in the shadows for most of a week.  Somehow, it
feels like a month, ...in terms of volume, of course ;-)  (does the word
prolific sound familiar?)  Appropriately enough, I started lurking on
April 1st.  I'm quite sure that I can never measure up in terms of BW
piggishness, but I'm willing to enter the fray!  I have no sponsor to
introduce me (Hi Gayle!), so I'll have to do it myself.

  I was introduced to e-mail at UCLA a couple of years ago, where I
was *theoretically* studying.  Actually, it was a front, just so I
could get an e-mail account (...and it worked!  They were so snowed
that they even gave me a degree!).  I've lurked on a couple of lists,
before I stumbled upon this one (perhaps this is the best way to
find it - totally unaware of its *true* nature?).  The shadows of
lurkerdom (?) have now lost their shine (can shadows have a shine?).

  Nothing profound to say, but I wanted to introduce myself during
the Week of The Doctor, since I can be just as pretentious as anyone
else!  (Actually, the fact that I have nothing profound to say may
make me more/less (choose your favorite) qualified.)

       -- Another female sports fan (Cubs fan since childhood)
              "Dr. Werts, degree-d by Trantor U., sometime in
                           the future"

**********************************************
Jill Werts      (wertsj%dialog@mci.com)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:42:31 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>   Yes, of course you are right.  The distinction is social.  BUT is
> it not true that different levels of language are requried for different
> situations?  (One linguist whom I read long ago and whose name I have for-
> gotten called them "levels of responsibility.")

I agree.  I hope that nothing I said implied otherwise.  (I would have
used the word "appropriate" rather than "required," but in some of the
specific examples you gave "required" is accurate -- e.g., a doctoral
dissertation, legal code).

>   My guess is that you would agree, but that you are ob-
> jecting to (somewhat arbitrarily) calling one standard "good" or "correct"
> English and another "bad" or "incorrect."

Yep and yep.  I agree, and I am objecting to labels like good/correct/
bad/incorrect.  I don't think I used the word "yep" anywhere in my
dissertation.  I might have used "yes" (altho I probably didn't --
I'm not sure how it would have fit in with the poetry of Joseph Beaumont).
Is "yep" bad?  Is it incorrect?  Nope.  But it's not appropriate for a
doctoral dissertation.

> And what happens when native speakers disagree?

The language of the majority of the people in influential positions
(i.e., in power) wins.  By "wins" I mean that's what goes into
handbooks, etc.

> crazy.  To my ear it was every bit as ill-formed as if they were saying
> "he am" or "I is" or "we eaten."  Yet all of us are native speakers of
> English.  "We sung" sounds fine to them, and awful to me.

I know the feeling well.  "The book was laying on the table" makes my
skin crawl.  It sounds just as bad to me as "he am" or "I is" or "we
eaten."  Yet I hear native speakers use "lay" for "lie" quite often.
That's because we are in the middle of a change in progress.  Although
some people claim that it's impossible to be sure when a linguistic
change is in progress (that you can't rule out other kinds of variation --
i.e., stable variation), I believe that it's at least highly likely
that "laying in the sun" (without an object) is rapidly on its way
to becoming acceptable.  If it follows the usual pattern for language
change, "lying in the sun" will continue to be an acceptable variant
for a good while -- at least until people like me die.

> How do we re-
> solve that in the context of the descriptivist theory that the native
> speaker is always (subject to some, marginal, qualifications) right?

I don't see what there is to be resolved.  "Sang" is the preterit of
"sing" in your dialect/idiolect (in mine also).  Apparently "sung" is
the preferred form in the dialects/idiolects of some other speakers.
You are both "right."  If the majority of people in important positions
in this country start using "sung" as preterit, it will show up in
dictionaries and other books.  Probably "sang" will remain a variant --
like "dived" and "dove."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:19:11 EST
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From:         GUBERT%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.

 My parents were a little wiser -- they refused to allow me to be
advanced to higher grades.  It didn't help the penmanship, though.

JAG
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS@CWU.BITNET>

> stuttering, etc), but my nemesis was at home.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Mine was my mother.  She always had a rationalization that I had
somehow broken rules I should know and that it was obvious I hadn't
learned.  She wore leather thongs without a heel-strap so that she
would always have something close at hand she could hit me with
without risking injury to herself.  She also found it necessary to
explain to me that whatever my achievement, I could of (i.e. should
of) done better.  Her remark when I won the Mathematics Achievement
Award my senior year in high school was, "And why didn't you win the
Chemistry Achievement as well?".  (Actually, by my figuring, there was
a massive screwup across the board.  I should have had Chemistry, the
guy who got Chemistry should have had Physics, and the guy who got
Physics should have had Mathematics.)  I have no memory of having ever
been good enough for my mother.

> about. I'm deathly scared to have kids because of it.  I can talk with Heidi

     My mother's influence on my sister has her convinced to *never*
have children of her own, though she does work with the high school
group at her church.  I have killed enough of the bad influences of my
parents that I think I could be a 'good' parent, though whether or not
I ever will take the plunge remains to be seen.

> It's funny.  The times that make me cry the most about this is when I think
> back on that boy who was me, and yet not me, and remember what he and his
> brothers and sister went through.  He quite often seems to be someone else.

     There is evidence that I had the potential to be a math wizard.
I correctly applied the concepts of limits (out of th blue) at age 5
when discussing fractions with my grandfather.  (I maintained that I
could get to 1/3 from 1/2 by adding and subtracting successive values
of 2**(-n).  He maintained that you couldn't get there from here.)  I
also firmly believed that there were patterns to the apparently random
paths individual ants followed, to the arrangement of flower petals
and other such.  Every now and again I find I know the necessary math
'intuitively', but I doubt I will ever have the access to that type of
information that I did then.

> What makes it all the worse is that I know, in his own convoluted way, my dad
> loves me and I love him, although I've had to work awfully hard to like him. I
> can't wish death and destruction on him, although sometimes I have.

     I have felt the same way about my mother and her games.  She is
the only person I truly fear, for I am still seeking her approval, and
she (as of last we met) still refuses to accept me.  Because of this I
have intentionally seperated us and do not wish to reunite until I am
over this need.  Then I will try to reconcile.

The Ronin
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
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Hmm...MISC sounds interesting?  What's the mpd (messages per day) on
that thing?  And where does one sign up?

--Aaron
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:36:06 EDT Lisa <QXN148@URIACC> said:
>If it were on Home Improvement the remote would be turbo charged and able to
>change the channels of every t.v. within a five mile radius. Did you catch this
>weeks show,with the harely lawnmower.   I think the guy is a Turbo-charged
>Fruitloop!!

Yes, I saw it.  I love the outtakes shown at the end of the show.
This week's one involved a polka, and, having grown up in NE Ohio,
I love polkas.

Evelyn
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye
              15 Apr 1992 21:43:01 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

 how useful e-mail can be for their students.

...the Library School students at Univ. of Alabama all get PROFS accounts
so that the professors can correspond with them about their papers...since
many come long distances to attend the classes, weekends only...I found
that interesting...
>
>Edinburgh University is, this year (despite being broke), creating
>a machine for all graduates to have access to mail in order to keep
>in touch with the University.
>
>Graham
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