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From: mikecap@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re:  Bishop Energy Redirection
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:27:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <713@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Ian David Bremner) writes:

(I wrote:)
>
> >Cable said something to the effect: "Oh.  You're the energy channeler, huh? 
> >Guess that doesn't include kinetic energy."  And he shoots him with bullets,
>
> >Mike C.  (Zen)
>
>I apologize for the misunderstanding.  What I meant to ask is...
>
>	Would Bishop be able to shoot himself (say, in the foot, :D) with
>	an ENERGY weapon and give himself a charge?  What blast would be
>	more effective?  Should he simply shoot the enemy with the ENERGY
>	weapon or should he shoot himself and use a (better?) channeled
>	blast?
>
>
>-- 
>------------------------idbremne@thunder.lakeheadu.ca--------------------------
>Rule 1.  Guilt Goes Away!
>Rule 2.  What your __ doesn't know, wont hurt it.  What your __ finds out, DENY
>Rule 3.  Perfect Excuse = 'Hey, it's my nature."

Interesting question.  Personnally, I'm afraid that that must be so, since he
can channel any energy he wants (I refer to when Storm zapped him with regular
old lightning (not mutant lightning, either) and he got charged.).  My only 
thought is maybe it's just not healthy for him to go around zapping himself
all the time, and like they said in the recent danger room session, it's best
not to rely on just your powers all the time (as Gideon would gladly attest to)


Mike C.  (Zen)

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: So, just who is this Sinister anyway... 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:37:51 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: Don't Try This At Home!

...and why are we eating his chicken? My apologies for the blatant swipe.

Some discussion on retconned pasts eventually got to Mr. Sinister, which
led to a discussion on:

>	Nonono, I mean his powers. First, he was invulnerable to everything,
>except Cyclop's optic blasts, back in Inferno. (Why he didn't put a layer of
>ruby quartz into his costume, I'll never know.) In his next (?) appearance in
>PAD's X-Factor, he was capable of deflecting a bullet easily. And, in his 
>most recent appearance (the X-Cute-Me-Now Song), he gets shot... and becomes
>a T-1000 Terminator. Retcon or bad writing? Does anyone have a definite
>list of his powers (Marvel Handbook, maybe?)

Pff. The OHOTMU has turned stale and dull with their most recent
cookie-cutter incarnation. At least in the old books you not only got a
reasonably accurate history of the person, you also got a pose that was
somewhat interesting for the art. Now all we get is dull stats and line-up
poses, with no character underneath... rather like some Marvel titles,
nowadays, sadly.

In any case, while I don't have my current OHOTMU around, I'm sure that his
powers would be basically like "strength, energy projection, telepathy,"
and so on. The main trouble with Sinister is, from my frozen standpoint,
the fact that we *don't* know where he's coming from. I mean, yeah, sure,
he can be a man of mystery all he wants, but we don't even know *why* he's
doing the things he's doing. Unless, I guess, he's just being, um, sinister,
I suppose.

So, with no background available and no motivating cause, writers are free
to use and abuse the guy in any way possible. Since he has no prior history,
he has no standards on what his personality/powers should be. Maybe there's
some editorial guidelines in the X-Office plot book that us fans aren't
aware of -- they're certainly not showing through now.

My prediction:  Clinton by 10 percentiles. Ooops, sorry, been reading last
year's Enquirers again. My prediction:  expect to see Mr. Sinister continue
to show whatever darned powers he wants whenever he shows up again.

"Mr. Sinister. Why?" --Mr. Sinister
"That's what I thought. It *is* the dumbest name I've ever heard."
	--Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: PRESENTING>>> The MU Absorb-Off!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:11:49 GMT

In article <C0oLnr.Gvv@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
>
>Okay, the stage is set. Any other absorbers we have hanging around we ignore,
>because I didn't remember them in time? 

Only one that I can think of:  From the world of the Squadron Supreme (though
currently hailing from the Other Side of the Veil), the Lamprey.  One of my
all time favorite names (ever seen a lamprey?  They're ugly, aren't 
they?  This guy lives up to his name.).  Since you're including the Super-
Adaptoid (who is defunct), might as well add him in too.

The Walrus
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:48:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.174612.5705@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>In article <Bz7wDI.AHF@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>
>>So sorry, then. Rogue's been in all the five main X-books since the Muir
>>Island incident, and has absorbed nobody. She's just flown around and
>>bopped things. 
>>
>Which of course she shouldn't be able to do because Carol Danvers' had been
>separated from Rogue...except that that's *all* Rogue seems to do these days.
>When *was* the last time Rogue used her absorption powers?
>
>Mike

The last time I read was in DEATH's HEAD II #1; I don't know when the last
X-appearance was.

Actually in the issue where Carol and Rogue duke it out for life, There
was a remark by Rogue where, when smashed into a tree by Ms. Marvel and
not end up as a puddle, she wondered that they might be sharing powers. So
the battle was to decide which personality would stay, since there was
only life force enough to sustain one soul. Magneto zapped Ms. Marvel, so
Rogue won.

Jay (=
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Dumb post- can't help it...
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:15:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <29089@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>6) Is there any sort of source book or history of the X-men available that
>I could pick up to help me look like I know what I am talking about? IF not,
>why not? Seems to me that such a book is ripe for the market now...
 
Lessee, the best thing i know of is the X-Men Index that D. Henry mentioned.
It's current up until about 1983 or so.  It was a one shot magazine size 
thing (not a comic, but a reference book with a b&w picture of the cover
of each issue and info about the creative team and a BRIEF plot synopsis.
Marvel also published a 5 or so issue limited series called 'X-Men Index'
a few years back.  It had full color reproductions of the covers and much
longer plot summaries.  There are several different net.sources of info.
One guy recently posted an extremely summary form of X-Men history, and 
somebody else a while back did a very indepth summary of the issues since 
about #110 or so.  I think those are in an ftp site somewhere.  Ask around.
Finally, X-Men #138 was a great summary of the history up until the death
of Phoenix (back in the simple days).  Oh, yeah, and X-Men Classics (aka
Classic X-Men) has been reprinting the books in order (with a couple of skips
early on) starting with GS#1/#94.  The pre-94 stuff is more or less 
negligible unless you're a die hard fan.  It bears ABSOLUTELY no resemblance
to the X-Men of today.

>7) Why is it that when I was a kid I knew Spider-man, The Hulk, Iron Man,
>even the Silver Surfer, but I had never even heard of the friggin X-men
>when they've been around for 30 years??!!?? Christ, I feel like I lived
>in  a hole every time my kids ask me how "The Angel" became "Arch-Angel"....
 
The X-Men's sales STUNK all through the 60's.  At the end, not even 
Neal Adams and Roy Thomas could save the book, and with #66 it went into 
reprints until it was resurrected at #94 (and the rest is history...)

JRjr
>
>
>			thanks,
>
>
>						gln


-- 
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 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Marvel U.K.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:28:38 GMT

Someone whose name appears to have disappeared said:

>A friend told me that there's a rule that every Marvel U.K. title that's
>released in the states has to have a Marvel U.S. character or characters
>in it.  With most of the Marvel U.K. titles, if you remove or ignore the
>pages with the Marvel U.S. characters, the story still makes sense!
>
Originally, the reason was this: The Marvel UK stories are published in the UK
(at least) a month in advance of their US release, in the biweekly anthology
Overkill. The number of pages for each story in 2 issues (ie 1 month) of
Overkill is a bit less than the number of pages in a US format Marvel comic,
so they padded the US version with guest appearances of Marvel US characters so
that, if these pages are left out, the story still makes sense for the Overkill
readers in the UK. (I should add that, in Pendragon particularly, this hasn't
been entirely successful, the UK version seemed to make little sense with
characters appearing and disappearing and story jumps. Only the US version
was particularly coherent. Pendragon II has now been dropped from Overkill.
But I digress.) The US versions of the Marvel UK titles are available through
comic shops in the UK, but the distributors have to hold them back for a
month after their US release so that sales of Overkill aren't affected. (There
is a long history of British comics folding due to low sales.)

However, recently Overkill has begun to print the full US versions of the
stories, so the reason for the multitude of guest-stars is now obsolete.
However Marvel are obviously not going to drop a sales-winning formula, so it
looks like the guest-stars are here to stay. Where this leaves Overkill I don't 
know - are more pages allocated per story so that they can still print 1 month's
Overkill story in 1 month's US comic, are they still dropping pages from the
US version to fit it into Overkill, or are they just taking longer to print the
stories in Overkill than in the US titles (will the US titles catch up and
overtake the stories in Overkill?)? I don't know, and I haven't been getting
Overkill recently - does anyone else know?

Anyway, hope this answered the question.

Mike
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Cable's new look
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:59:23 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>Well, Cable's back and he looks a little different.  All those who think
>>Marvel's found a quick and dirty method to avoid Rob Liefeld sueing them
>>over his alleged creation of Cable, raise your hands!!
>
>Is Liefield REALLY trying to sue Marvel over Cable?  I thought that Marvel
>had the rights to all its characters, regardless of their creator.  And 
>that this very issue was a key in the starting of IMAGE.
>
>(Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I am getting old these days and
>do not know insider details like in I did in my youth.  :-))

I've heard it said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid
watermelons. Or something like that, my mind is not what it used not to be.

Anyway, while I'm not a regular reader of X-Force (the taste of burnt New
Mutants does not carry well in my mouth), I am reasonably certain that
Liefeld, even if he was so inclined, has no legal ground to sue Marvel over
Cable. As John L. has pointed out most venomously over in racm, Marvel and
DC writers and artists are "hired guns," creators who create things owned
by the company who hires them. Some well-established creators can get
special gratitudes, like Creator's Credits (check out the box in front of
each Excalibur... "Created by Chris Claremont and Alan Davis"). I'm not
aware of any such attribution in X-Force (allusions between Liefeld's
attempts to create and Destruction's attempts to make art over in Sandman
will be left to the native humors of my audience).

In short, if Robbie-boy created Cable as just part of his job, pen-slinging
for Marvel, then Marvel owns the boy, lock, stock, and barrells (most apt
comparison, for Cable...). Another good thing to check is the cover copy on
the recent X-over... look for the copyright, reserved, or trademark marks
next to Cable's name on the cover.

I'm sure I'm missing some subtleties here, but that's the general gist.

"I don't assassinate." --Richard Darwin
"But you kill people." --Louise Fendala
"That's different. That's murder."

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: pvs8496@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable's new look
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:48:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

> 
> Well, Cable's back and he looks a little different.  All those who think
> Marvel's found a quick and dirty method to avoid Rob Liefeld sueing them
> over his alleged creation of Cable, raise your hands!!

Where, what did I miss?
huh!?
Has the new series begun?!
WOW?!

.uttam
From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:19:53 GMT
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I

In article <1993Jan6.143615.23364@news.acns.nwu.edu> weasel@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Rosenberg) writes:
>
>Are you sure it's reforming his old group and not forming it?  If you go back
>to Cable's first few appearances (before they'd really dredged up the whole
>future/past/present/sideways garbage) someone asks Cable why he hates Stryfe
>so much and Cable's response is "Because he killed my son."  Could the family
>he has in the upcomming series be that family and the series actually takes
>place pre-Cable appearance in New Mutants (pre in Cable's time line, even if
>chronologically it's in the future)?

According to X-Force #1, the "son" that Cable refers to is actually his 
protege, and not related to him in any way.
Supposedly, Stryfe drafted the young man (Tyler) into the Mutant Liberation
Front, where Tyler died.

Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely... 
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From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:27:06 GMT

YOu know, i read alot of this stuff, and i agree with some of it and i
disagree with some of it.  I agree that the xbookx have gone downhill since
about UX 215 or 220.  I cant think of anything i disagree with opinion wise 
right now.  But when you start wondering about how does rouge cut her hair and
how could colossus shave in metal form i really think its time for a breath of
fresh air.  i mean all these little questions are about as important as is
there a toilet on the BlackBird and why do none of the characters have to 
use the toilet in the middle of a battle.  how come they never seem to eat?  
ever seen an X-dinner?  I mean, you can take these questions and wonder about
them or you can suspend disbelief.  there are literally hundreds of such 
questions.  Here's a few...

Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
If colossus has a big meal, uses the toilet, then goes on a mission and turns
to steel, does the feces he left behind turn to steel?  what about the 
bacteria in the feces that were part of his digestive system?  what if he
has to go on the mission first and doesnt have a chance in the restroom?
does it turn to steel inside his body?  or not?  what about his lungs?
when he turns to steel how does he talk?  he doesnt need to breath i dont 
think.  i seem to recall that way back when the xmen were on a shuttle 
(immediately prior (pryor?) to the introduction of pheonix) and had a hull
breach colossus was ok despite the vacuum.  or am i wrong.  i cant remember 
taht issue clearly.  but could you use peter as a very large, very heavy 
pitcher for lemonade while he is in metal form.  the best example of all this
line of questioning is in Larry Niven's story _Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex_.
(which is admittedly pre-crises, but hey...).  Ultimately, you should either 
come up with your own personal explanation which should satisfy you more than
anyone else would anyway, except maybe the characters creator, or just ignore
it and sit back and enjoy the complete (lack of) good writing in teh stories.

B. Austin Davis

Im going to regret this post...i just know it.
-- 
Jherico (B Austin Davis)
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"Injected with a poison..........We dont need that anymore"
"There's a rainbow inside your mind."
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur's Future SPOILERS
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:50:29 GMT
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Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

>Just read a synopsis of Excalibur #36 in 'Previews'
>and *Spoilers Ahead*
>

I think you're a little behind, cousin.
Excaliber #36 has been out for a couple of years now.

	I-)

					James Willer
[any opinions above are copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:22:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> A Richard Darwin (who _is_ that guy?) quote from one of
> DHenry's earlier posts, asking something like, "I wonder

Although Dave and I really never discussed this and I may be completely off
base here (Ok Dave no snide remarks about how I am chronically offbase! 
(That's  something I am trying to keep a secret! :) )
I believe it is Dave Henry's pen name.  You know like Samuel Clemens and Mark
Twain.  Anyhow, Dave writes to such a calibre, and all the GOOD writers have
one, so obviously so does Dave.  Oh and BTW, regarding Rogue's hair,
considering the fact that it has been discussed before, I will not perpetuate
that part of the discussion.
						wReam...
					 Ultimate Ninja of LNH!

P.S.  Hey, Dave, Have you noticed I haven't bothered you lately???  :)
I guess now that you're in the LNH and all, well, golly gee, willickers!
Oh well, I hope you had a nice vacation and all...  :)


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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
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Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:22:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.152453.28324@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz) writes...
>In article <10JAN199319450354@udel.edu> jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>>In article <10JAN93.19792560.0066@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes...
> 
>   Did anyone notice that Frenzy and Gambit were friends on a First Name Bases.
>  That that mean Gambit was once in an "Evil" Mutant Group.
> 
>					Jorge

	They've hinted several times that Gambit isn't the all-around nice guy
that he is/might be now. After all, Sabretooth knew him quite well too.
	And knowing someone's first name and using it doesn't necessarily mean
Gambit was in an "evil" mutant group, it means they know each other. Since
there's really not a traitor anymore (Gambit's too popular), I don't think
it's going to be that important in the upcoming issues.

	Joe

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From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:15:17 GMT
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society


In article <wfIN62S00VozE3Xm4W@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Pronko
<punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 11-Jan-93 Re:
>Invulnerability and hair B. Austin Davis@netcom.c (2251)
>
>> Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
>
>well, putting them in would be hell.
>
P'raps.  Scotty's immune to his own beams, and the contacts would (presumably)
be ruby quartz (equally immune), so he wouldn't necessarily blast them (and
his hands) into the next county in the process.  He MIGHT want to be in a
heavily reinforced room for the stray shots that would inevitably occur, tho.

More likely, it's because Scott's glasses can be flipped away in a heartbeat.
Contacts are a BIT harder to remove quickly.

>
>> he doesnt need to breath i dont 
>> think.
>
>well, way back in an ish i don't remember (early 200's) the guy who
>could alter densities sunk colossus into the ground, and kittie or rogue
>went into the ground to get him because "he would suffocate."  then
>again, continuity is not one of marvel's strong suits.
>
>eric

Important context; Rogue tried to pull Colossus out of the ground when 
Leland kicked in his mass-enhancing power, but her gloves were shredded 
by Selene and she ABSORBED Petey's power, leaving Colossus (a) on a sleigh
ride deep into the Earth and (b) in his human, NOT armored, form.  In THAT
case, Peter definitely DID need to be rescued by Kitty.


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