HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scoffey@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Sean Coffey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Info on the name COUHIG
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:48:39 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep3.114833.7258@keps.kodak.com> Susan Klimowicz writes:
>I am trying to find out any information on the last name COUHIG.  I was told
>that it was celtic or gaelic for the number five but I have not been able to
>confirm this.  The name was also suppose to originate from Cork, Ireland.  
>
>If anyone has any info would you please post it in this news group?

Cu'ig is Irish for five, but I don't think that has anything to do 
with the name Couhig (or Cowhig as I have seen it).  This is (I think)
a rare variant of Coffey, derived from a different anglicization of
O' Cobhthaigh.  You `half' pronounce the bh as v, and half pronounce
the gh as g, getting Coffey or Cowhig depending on how you choose 
to hear it.  (With the general simplification of spelling some
years back, Coffey is now O' Cofaigh; I don't know what was done
with Couhig).  O' Cobhthaigh is derived from Cath (battle) + bhuach
(winner).  

Corrections welcome!

Sean Coffey			eecs.umich.edu
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:18:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <5887@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:
> A friend of mine passed this snippet along. It may amuse...
> 
> 
> 			Impure Mathematics
> 
> 	Once upon a time (1/t) pretty little Polly Nomial was strolling across
> a field of vectors when she came to the edge of a singularly large matrix.
>--------

I see absolutely no point in this... It's obviously not Celtic related. 
It's not funny, in fact deeply offensive and hurtful to a LARGE number of 
people and if the author didn't expect that then he has real social 
perception problems. The final alternative, suggested by others is that it 
was posted just to see his name repeated on this topic.   I suggest that we 
no longer respond or post on this pathetic post.

robert l. williams 
rlwilliams@gallua.bitnet
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:25:19 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair) writes:
>	I have been lead to believe that the celts of Ireland
>	were Iberian Celts. Is this Latin? Also I have read
>	that the Celts were nomadic and roamed through out
>	europe and were not a pure racial group but likely
>	a mixture. Would a historian without so obvious
>	a slant present facts and not an emotional out
>	pouring. We of this group are willing to hear
>	facts thats why we read the group. 
>	Wasn't early europe a conclomeration of tribal
>	peoples from a number of areas likely enter
>	mixing and shareing many ideas.
>---------------------------------------------

  THis sounds like more comic book Celts.  See my note on "Celtic
origins...".  The talk of wandering hordes of Celtic conquerers is old
nonsense.  The more modern approach to the subject is one of gradual
assimilation and group cultural identity formation, over a long period
of time and space.
  "Iberian Celts" is a term describing the Celts who were living in
Northern Spain.  Remember that before the domoination of the Roman
Empire, the continent was strewen with small tribal centers of Celts.
  Celts were *not* a racial group -- ethnicity is defined by language
and cultural values, not some vague genetic poppycock.

  -- Mi/cheal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: Celtic origins and female heroines
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:14:46 GMT

newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:

>>followed by the Victorian Mythmakers...and despite the Valkyries there
>>are no really good female role models for those of us who constitute 51%
>>of the world.... 

>   This is something I think Celtic mythology and history provides a lot
>   of good examples of: Boudicca, Meave, Dierdre, Macha, Epona, Bri/d, etc.

There is also Fiacal (Warrior) and Bodball (Druidess), these two women
are related to the myth surrounding Fionn son of Cumaill.
--
=================================
skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"
From: worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:10:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Btx469.13s
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BtJqto.406@unx.sas.com> sej@allspice.unx.sas.com (Samuel Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug25.140527.11377@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, unichaoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Una M Nichaoimh) writes:
>|> In article <5887@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:
>|> 
>|> There follows a description of rape (the woman in the story does not consent
>|> to what happened).    
>|> It is described using mathematical language - this is presumably what you feel  will amuse us.
>

I also feel that it is very important to be considerate to people of
all genders and backgrounds on the net.  Interestingly, when I responded
in a comp. group to what I felt was an extremely gender biased posting,
I received dozens of offensive email messages telling me I just did not
understand the original posting, and that it was totally inoffensive...
yes, they were all from people whose names appeared to indicate that
they were of the male gender.
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Irish Times Subscription info
Date: 03 Sep 92 04:46:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <19503.2aa4d45a@ul.ie> byardd@ul.ie writes:
) I dont have any direct info about arranging a subscription
) to The Irish Times but its address is :-
) 	The Irish Times
) 	13 D'Olier Street
) 	Dublin 2.

A colleague of mine has a postal subscription.  The Saturday
edition normally arrives on a Tuesday.

The Saturday edition costs IR#35.49 per quarter (= IR#2.73
each).  A full subscription (six papers per week) costs
IR#212.94 (= IR#2.33 each).  By contrast, it costs IR#0.75 in
Ireland.

Me, I wait until Thursday and buy the previous Saturday's
edition at Tower Books in Seattle for US$3.25 (= IR#1.73).
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: sharkey@robots.ox.ac.uk (Paul Sharkey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:38:03 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.
Originator: sharkey@percy.robots

<184hsaINN37a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> Steve McKinty writes

>In article <92246.132552CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Henry Corcoran) writes:
>> If Irish language has disappeared to the extant you say,this is unfortunate.
>> Not just because of a romantic ideal, but any language is a fudamental part
>> of culture. It defines how one looks at the world and the way we think and
>> approach problems and life in general.
>> 
>The original question was about N. Ireland, where Irish is rarely used, but
>there are other (rather remote) areas in which it is still the first language.
>There is an Irish-language radio service, and both TV stations have programs
>in Irish. It used to be the case that you needed a qualification in Irish to
>get a job in the Civil Service, anyone know if that is still true?

Not just both stations (I presume you mean RTE1 and Network 2). The
Irish edition of The Sunday Times listed the BBC1 as scheduling Gaelic
programmes. If memory serves it was about 1 hr long Sunday night series. 

Steve
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:22:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Sep3.141934.21651@news.clarkson.edu>, walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes...
>From article <1992Sep3.085848.4019@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, by mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach):
>> 
>> There has been some discussion over whether any of the
>> Plantation settlers would have spoken Scots Gaelic, but I think
>> they tended to be Lowland Scots not Highland Scots, thus not of
>> Celtic origin. You are making the common mistake of thinking
>> that all Scots are Highland Scots.
>> 
>> Matthew Huntbach
> 
>The original Scots from Ireland settled in Dalriada(sp?) which is the
>strathclyde region, which as I remember is the lowlands, and by the time
>the settlements took place the distinction between lowland and highland
>scot was becoming more blurred.
> 

Strathclyde has parts in both the Lowlands and Highlands.
The centre of Dalriada was Dunadd, which is over by loch Awe and definitely
in the Highlands.

Craig
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Craig Cockburn, Digital Equipment Co. Ltd, Reading, England.     Suas
  Internet: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com                           leis
  UUCP:..!decwrl!edieng.enet.dec.com!cockburn                      a'
                                                                   Gha\idhlig!
  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark)
Subject: Re: Need help with pronunciation
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.072904.29989@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com
(Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep1.214326.20796@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov
(Clark) writes...
>> 
>>	Can anyone give me some guidance on Gaelic pronunciation? I am
>>pretty much ignorant of it. Thanks
>> 
>Which Gaelic- Irish, Scottish or Manx?
>Any particular region? eg. Donegal, Skye, etc 
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Craig Cockburn, Digital Equipment Co. Ltd, Reading, England.     Suas
>  Internet: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com                           leis
>  UUCP:..!decwrl!edieng.enet.dec.com!cockburn                      a'
>                                                                   Gha\idhlig!
>  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
>

	Well, I'm an information junkie, but my most immediate interest
is in Scots Gaelic, particularly the name "Doig".

	Ultimately, I'd like to be not completely clueless about what
a word like "Gha\idhlig" or "sibh" is supposed to sound like.

												Clark

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Celtic Music...?
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:30:04 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.030138.10100@ncsu.edu>, happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots) writes...
>  I'd like to get some recommendations for Celtic music, preferably Celtic
>music that might be found here in the U.S.  Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
>							rusty
>  
I would recommend getting anything by Capercaillie. They're a traditional
Scottish band who sing predominantly in Scottish Gaelic.

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  Craig Cockburn, Digital Equipment Co. Ltd, Reading, England.     Suas
  Internet: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com                           leis
  UUCP:..!decwrl!edieng.enet.dec.com!cockburn                      a'
                                                                   Gha\idhlig!
  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:06:07 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <CC.92Sep3123403@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.161310.6476@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>
>   I do not want to sound like a pedant on this point (but I am going to
>   nevertheless), but the settlers of which you speak were mostly Scots,
>   and if the point is push it can be argued that originally they can from
>   Irland in the 500s(?), therefore Irish Gaelic is part of their
>   inheritance also (even though it was a little further back).
>
>The peoples of Scotland variously spoke Norse, Gaelic, Inglis (later Scots),
>and Welsh.  I would think that most of the Scottish settlers spoke Scots when
>they moved to Ulster, though I don't know for sure.
>--
>
>		

Indeed, the episode of "The Mother Tongue" broadcast on BBC1 on Monday
night covered this very point.  There were interviews with the
decendants of the plantation settlers who were clearly speaking
recognisable Scots.  I imagine this is covered in Billy Kay's book.

Alison
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From: johan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Johan Wevers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:56:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.


I liked the story, but I want to critiseze one small thing:

> "Ho, ho," he said.  "What a symmetric little polynomial you are.
                              ^^^^^^^^^
> "What order are you?" the brute demanded.
>
> "Seventeen," replied Polly.
   ^^^^^^^^^
A polinomal of order 17 is *ASYMMETRIC*.
 
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* johan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl *     1 |   \ u \  X  /         |   * 
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*     The only nature of       *     N |   /   /     \         |   * 
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From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:09:54 -0700
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug.West.Sun.COM

sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:

>But I 
>still object to someone jumping in to censor other people's postings....
>But to just s, in effect, "I don't like what you 
>said, so you are an insensitive evolutionary throwback - and by the way - 
>shut up."  is unacceptable in any forum of discussion.

I saw no attempt at censorship.  The closest I saw to saying "shut up"
were the statements suggesting that the forum for the posting was
inappropriate ("no business on [this] or any other board" and "suggest
you confine your drivel amongst your comrades [I presume that refers to
readers of soc.culture.neanderthal:-]").  Such criticism of postings
without censorship is perfectly valid in any discussion.  The use of
insults weakened her argument slightly for me, but I will still defend
her right to express the criticism.  I will also defend the criticism
itself -- the "joke" wasn't funny, the puns were not original, the
subject was offensive, the moral was more offensive, it was posted to
inappropriate groups, it carried no warning that it might be offensive,
etc.  Though I would not condone censorship, there is no reason why a
someone should be able to hide behind "freedom of speech" to avoid
suffering the consequences of incurring the wrath of critics.

     Richard M. Mathews			D efend
					 E stonian-Latvian-Lithuanian
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  I ndependence
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 3 Sep 1992 08:20:26 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <92246.132552CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Henry Corcoran) writes:
> If Irish language has disappeared to the extant you say,this is unfortunate.
> Not just because of a romantic ideal, but any language is a fudamental part
> of culture. It defines how one looks at the world and the way we think and
> approach problems and life in general.
> 
The original question was about N. Ireland, where Irish is rarely used, but
there are other (rather remote) areas in which it is still the first language.
There is an Irish-language radio service, and both TV stations have programs
in Irish. It used to be the case that you needed a qualification in Irish to
get a job in the Civil Service, anyone know if that is still true?

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Troubles claim 3,000 victim in NI
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:19:51 GMT

--
In article <1992Sep1.094804.21834@cs.hw.ac.uk>, mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan) 
|>>--
|>
|>In an incident in europe which claimed the lives of an RAF officer and
|>his very young daughter, their names sounded very asian so I guess these
|>people may be part of the 2%. 

Actually the figures only relate to Northern Ireland.  There have been hundreds of deaths outside Northern Ireland which were related to the conflict but these were not counted.


|---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |

          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:17:59 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1992Sep3.085848.4019@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, by mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach):
>> 
>> There has been some discussion over whether any of the
>> Plantation settlers would have spoken Scots Gaelic, but I think
>> they tended to be Lowland Scots not Highland Scots, thus not of
>> Celtic origin. You are making the common mistake of thinking
>> that all Scots are Highland Scots.
>> 
>> Matthew Huntbach

>The original Scots from Ireland settled in Dalriada(sp?) which is the
>strathclyde region, which as I remember is the lowlands, and by the time
>the settlements took place the distinction between lowland and highland
>scot was becoming more blurred.

>													GW

  The area of Argyll (ie, Dalriada) is actually considered the Highlands.
  The Irish settlers landed in the 500's.  The Anglo-Saxons were also
starting to land in SE Britain at that time, but had not achieved any
dominance yet.  Thus Anglish (English) had not really caught on yet, and
also there was no such thing as "Scots", or the assocaited cultural
distinctions yet either.
  What is now Scotland was mostly settled by Picts, a P-Celtic people.
The lower part of Scotland was settled by Britons, more P-Celtic people
from whom the Welsh are descended.  Later the English charged up, took
out the Britons by about 800, and made slow progress with the Picts.
This is complicated by the Scots (ie, Irish) starting to forge kingdoms
in the 500's, forging identity with the Picts in late 700's (I think),
and thus the Picts losing their separate identity...

  Any more clear now??
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From: vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: free lionfood! (was: Celtic Cross)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 03:21:10 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US


> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) wrote in soc.culture.celtic:
> > On soc.culture.british someone is asking about the Celtic Cross and if
> > it is pagan or religious.  I posted an answer that it was religious.
> 
> It's not often you see a Christian with a KICK ME sign quite so prominently
> displayed, is it?
> 


Unfortunately for them.... YES.


> (Yes, Evelyn, it is religious, and in Europe the religion in question is
> the worship of the Unconquerable Sun; it predates The Thing That Dripped
> Blood by a few thousand years).
> 
> -- 


A friend of mine suggests that, after you take away all that is Pagan 
from xtianity, all one has left is a dead rabbi on a stick...

I scared someone half out of their wits who viewed my Thor's Hammer as an 
inverted crucifix... (but I didn't argue)


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From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Cross
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:11:43 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1992Aug31.155209.25291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, by esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse):
>> 
>> On soc.culture.british someone is asking about the Celtic
>> Cross and if it is pagan or religious.  I posted an answer
>> that  it was religious.  If anyone has more information about
>> the cross, please post to that group.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Evelyn
>> 
>By "religious" it looks like you are implying christian, but I thought
>that pagan peoples were also religious (even though it was probably
>pantheistic). Does this mean that only the relatively new beliefs count
>as being religions? Or did you just choose a rather unfortunate
>collection of words to express your question?

  Hurrah!  What is this division between "pagan and religious"?

  The answer is, tentatively, it is a merging of pagan and Christian
elements.  The quartered circle, in the center of the Cross, is one of
the most ancient of Celtic motifs, similar to the IndoEuropean swastika
and other symbols implying movement and solar associations.
  Like most of these artistic amalgams, they provide endless hours of
debate and interpretations for scholars and armchair anthropologists.
But just take a look at Celtic and Pictish carvings to see the
continuity of design and style from pre-Christian times onwards...

  The Crosses themselves tended to be "cartoon strips", if you will,
of gospel stories, a kind of monumental reminder of Christian doctrine
placed in communal centers.
  But, like Christian religious centers, they tended to be placed in
areas of long standing spiritual awareness -- that is, overlying places
that were previously used as pagan places of worship.

  -- mn
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