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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:24:48 GMT

In article <tp923083.721265538@vine> tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt) writes:
>>I was curious if anyone ever heard of massive failures to frames, wheels,
>>bearings, etc. from stair riding.  I weigh about 200 lbs. and use 3 yr. old
>>lightnings with the original bearings still in use.  Does this behavior tend to
>>kill a skate or were they desinged for such abuse?  There are lots o' stairs
>
>It's weird you should say that 'cos I just took up stair bashing myself,
>and although I've only bashed up to 4 stairs so far, I've buggered up
>practically all my bearings on my right skate (the one that takes all
>the abuse with me)

Seems like lots of people have banged up their bearings pretty good from
stair-riding.  Somehow my bearings haven't been damaged from my own
riding.  Either I'm just really smooth 8-) or my wheels are taking most 
of the impact.  I know lots street skaters tend to skate on their wheels 
until they're just bare nubbins of a wheel, like a hub with a rubber band 
around it 8-)  Perhaps replacing your wheels earlier will keep your
bearings from getting too beat up.  I do a lot of cruising too, so I tend
to like my wheels as tall as economically possible.


-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
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From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: What rockering is best for absolute beginners?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:17:03 GMT

Hi

I have never used skates of any type before in my life. I just bought
a pair of inline skates and have been experimenting with surprisingly few
falls. I read the FAQs, but I coulndt really find anyting on this point:

What type of rockering is best for an absolute beginner like me?
My current skates' wheel arranegment looks like this:

    1   4
     2 3

Is the flat blade better to start with?? 

Gopu
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From: tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt)
Subject: Re: How do I skate backwards?
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  8 Nov 92 23:52:27 GMT

In <1992Nov6.001057.15490@analog.com> paul.collins@analog.com (Paul Collins) writes:

>I've recently taken up inline skating and have basically figured out
>heel stop, T stop, skating forward and crossovers.  Now I'd like to
>start skating backwards and have a few questions.
>-How do I skate backwards?
>-How do I change from going forwards to going backwards and vice versa?
>-Could someone describe a backwards crossover to me?


Um, it's really like forwards only the other way round. (!) Just
remember to look where you're going 'cos I've had some momentous slams
from hitting sticks and stuff.

Changing from forwards to backwards is like doing a 'T-Stop' (if that's
what I think it is) Is that where you turn one skate and spin around? If
so,then that's right. Turn one and when you get sorta sideways, turn the
inside one. Try not to spin and have you're skates go out from under you
on the front wheels. Turning back to forwards is just like spinning real
fast, or jumping up and doing a 180. Not too hard, really.

Can't help you on the crossover thing. Sorry.

>If these are in a FAQ list could someone Email a copy to me?

>Thanks,
>Paul

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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: sealed bearings
Date: 23 Oct 92 19:47:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719869664
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

In <1992Oct20.171321.6114@pellns.alleg.edu> goetzj@carn19.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz) writes:

>Why is there all this talk about sealed bearings? You can get them at  
>skateboard shops for about .80 a piece. There is no need for maintence  
>because they aren't designed to need to fixed. If you are a roller blader  
>I wouldn't recomend going into a skateboard shop unless they also sell  
>"blades" because skaters aren't big on you guys.

An alt-skater lost in the news!

There are a lot of shops that sell skate boards only that would be glad to
take my money for bearings. They couldn't care less whether  I  used it
for skate-boards or my granma's sewing machine. By reading the news and
FAQs on inlines it would be obvious why the 80 cent bearings are
not the way to go if you are up for a big race on inlines.


-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: nutz@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin M. Sach)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: wheels that fall apart from skating
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:39:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


	I have a problem. My wheels keep falling apart, ie come off the hub
chunks come out and even split in two and fall off. I skate distance and
do a little jumping(curbs). The problem is that my wheels will falling
apart and I don't have the money to keep going out and buying wheels is
there I can make my wheels last longer?
											kevin in chico
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From: sk82wind@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Peter P Zapalo)
Subject: Tonya Harding (Triple Axel)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:56:36 GMT

	Tonya HAS landed her famous jump twice since the '91 Nationals:
at the '91 Worlds, where she landed her rough moves (triple axel, triple
lutz, triple flip) and ironically let Kristi Yamaguchi beat her by
missing a triple toe and triple salchow...go figure.  The only time
in the '91-'92 competitive season that she landed her triple axel was
at Skate America '91, where she landed it in both the original AND
free skate.  Note that she did not win the original program: Kristi's
elegant Strauss number beat her out, but in the long, Kristi fell on
a triple lutz-triple toe combination and later on a triple sal, while
Tonya skated the best I've ever seen her, landing everything beautifully
and with ease.




--PPZ III  <<sk82wind@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>>


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From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Subject: Re: Skate America comments
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.191321.13641@photon.com> wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette) writes:
>
>	However, it appears that the judges (and rightly so, IMHO) have
>penalized Tanya for continually failing in her triple axel attempts.  I
>feel that they have been try to tell her that a triple axel is great,
>but don't attempt it unless you can consistently land it.
>	I may be forgetting a major competition (e.g., Nationals, Worlds,
>Olympics), but I don't believe that she has landed a triple axel since
>the 1991 Nationals -- meaning she lost it in the 1991 Worlds, the 1992
>Nationals, 1992 Olympics, and 1992 Worlds -- and at least this year, she
>appears to have been penalized by the judges for trying (and really 
>counting on) a jump that she is not consistent with.  Everyone blows a
>jump from time to time (particularly a triple axel!), but I feel that a
>move should not be attempted unless the chances of landing it are pretty
>good.
>

I believe that the reason she still had it in during the Olympics was that
she was landing it in practice.  At least part of the time.  I do agree
with the judging that attempting a jump and not landing it deserves a
penalty regardless of whether or not you can usually land it.  I think
the ladies that went to Southwesterns from our rink this year have found
out that fact the hard way too.

Still I admire her tenacity!

=======================================================================

Ed Russell (edmund.russell@amd.com)
From: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Cleaning bearings a waste of time?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:51:31 GMT
Reply-To: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory


In article <1d9aekINN29e@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM writes:
>On that same note, I wonder if putting your bearings in an ultrasonic
>jewelry cleaner would do the trick?
>

	Your mileage may vary, but I've tried a pretty heavy-duty U.S.
cleaner w/industrial-grade solvent with little success.  But maybe I 
just wasn't patient enough: I only left them in for 2.5 hours ;-)

Eric
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: response
Date: 23 Oct 92 20:18:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719871520
Organization: Loyola University Chicago


>I'll have some respect for figure skaters when the male skaters wear size  
>42 shorts and XXL t shirts and don't dance around like fags to classical  

I'm currently 44 years old.  When I started ice skating I was a
size 42 wearing XXL shirts and couldn't walk up a flight of stairs without
being out of breath. I'm now a size 35 and can keep up with 12
and 14 year old kids on the jugging track.  My   heart beat, is
a 60 at rest and blood pressure  of 105/65.  My doctor is amazed at my
physical health. This is what skating does for me. I hardly think that
would qualify me for a fag (BTW  this is not a put down by me
of anyone's sexual preference).

>music. About not having balls, when your touching the ground you don't  
>have far to fall. Also I'll have more respect when cities build skateboard  

I don't know how you can do a jump while touching the ground. Brian Boitano
must travel at least 6 feet in the air and 3 feet up while doing a 
triple. The record for a spinning jump in the early  part of this century
was 14 feet. I don't know what it is now.

>parks over ice rinks and figure skaters launch large gaps and stairs. The  
>real issue here is that government will sponsor a nationally recognized  
>sport and not provide for the underground. When was the last time you  
>heard of a town banning rollerblades or figure skaters? That's  

There are many cities that have banned rollerblades and a lot of cities
where figure skaters can only get an hour or 2 a week, if any at the local
ice rink. Evanston, Ill. recently banned rollerblading in the downtown area.
Banning of rollerblading has been a hot topic on and off since this group was
formed. Some hockey rinks don't allow figure skating except during public
sessions which are often mayhem.

>discrimination, folks. Why don't you wake up and smell what you're  
>shovelling.	
>			you know who by now

I guess the question is who is shovelling what!

I'll be in Frisco at Interop next week, but would love to find out
the continuing thread on this topic. Hope to see some skaters out there. 
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
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From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Subject: Re: When to start USFSA?
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:05:49 GMT

Ed Russell (erussell@dvorak.amd.com) wrote:
: I recently heard from some of the competitors retruning from the 
: Southwesterns competition held in Denver last week that the 
: individuals competing in pre-juvenile did mostly single jumps.  In
: fact it was flatly stated that since our girls went there with
: doubles (nearly) ready but missed one or more, that it was better to
: have gone with a program with clean single jumps only.
: 
: Now when I lived in the Bay Area (S.F.), at my rink the conventional
: wisdom was that you didn't even begin competing Prelim unless you had
: a Axel under your belt.  That WAS also the conventional wisdom here too.
: 
: The question here is should my daughter test for Prelim even though
: she hasn't landed her Axel yet?  It does appear to be close - she is
: all the way around on the ice and is landing it on the floor.  If she
: does test for Prelim now - will she be at some disadvantage later on at
: the national level assuming normal progression?
: 
: As a related but slightly bigger question - what is really required at
: each of the levels at regionals, sectionals, and nationals?  I really
: would like to know if I can judge what is really required by what is
: going on in my region.  It would be a real shame to be "ready" for       
: Midwesterns in a few years and then find out that it wasn't even close
: to what was going on nationally.

	Sure, she can pass her preliminary test -- but she won't be
competitive (at least in So. Calif./Nev/AZ).  It is getting to the point
where she needs her axel (4+ in a program of 2 minutes) plus the 
double Salchow to compete in some (most?) of the Pre-Prelim levels
(Yeah, I know it is crazy, but the way it is).  Some competitions limit
the jumps to one revolution (eliminating the axel) for Pre-Prelim, but
others don't (e.g., Rim of the World, Silver State).  At Silver State
this year in Las Vegas, I watched Pre-Prelim girls go from one axel to
another to another then add a double Salchow -- and the rest of the 
routine was totally uninspiring -- but they placed.
	As far as worrying about regionals, sectionals, and nationals,
if your girl hasn't passed her Prelim test yet, you have a way to go before
you can compete at regionals, much less qualify for sectionals.
(Mine daughter is just a little ahead of yours, having landed her axel and
double Salchow -- but not very consistently yet.)
	As far as when to test, trust your coach -- or find a coach you 
can trust to judge when your child is ready to test (and compete) at the
next level.

-- Bill Cornette (wmc@photon.com)
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: What rockering is best for absolute beginners?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:45:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov05.194558.8843
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Nov5.191703.28401@tamsun.tamu.edu> rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu) writes:
>
>What type of rockering is best for an absolute beginner like me?

None.
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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:13:50 GMT

pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>The Rollerblade Lightning is an incredibly robust skate. Other than a meltdown
>caused by a busted bearing (reported by a Salt Lake skater here years ago), I
>have never heard of a failure.

Here, here.  Long live the DC-3 of inline skates (a complement, to be sure).
Your knees will probably give out before your lightnings do.

>The Racerblade is quite robust, too. Rod Murillo has given it his stamp of
>approval as a very tough skate. Knowing [Road Rash] Rod, this is an impressive
>endorsement.

As a tough skate, or as one that you don't mind too much if it gets trashed?
The older ones with the metal frames have this nasty tendency to bend.  I
wouldn't want to see what would happen to the "Road Weapon" frames after
several flights of stairs...

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
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From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Skate Canada on US TV
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:10:51 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: functor.systemsz.cs.yale.edu

Just a quick note -- I noticed the new TV guide lists coverage of
Skate Canada this Saturday afternoon on CBS.  I think it was 4:30
on the east coast.

-Sandra
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: REC.SKATE FAQ - part 5/5:  (ROLLER)HOCKEY
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:40:37 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engine writes:

>                   I play 1-2 times a week on Rollerblade Lightnings with
> a "Blading Edge" kit installed and german bearings.
    ^^^^^^|^^^^^^^
         /
What's THAT, Chuck?

--
Also, I think Washington, D.C. should be destroyed.
Tony Shepps toad@cellar.org
Preferred address: toad%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 654 9184
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: What rockering is best for absolute beginners?
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov5.191703.28401@tamsun.tamu.edu> rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu) writes:
> Hi
> 
> I have never used skates of any type before in my life. I just bought
> a pair of inline skates and have been experimenting with surprisingly few
> falls. I read the FAQs, but I coulndt really find anyting on this point:
> 
> What type of rockering is best for an absolute beginner like me?
> My current skates' wheel arranegment looks like this:
> 
>     1   4
>      2 3
> 
> Is the flat blade better to start with?? 

If you main interest is simple excercise and covering distance, then you
might prefer to have all the wheels in line.  If you are also interested
in maneuverability or fancy footwork, you might prefer the arrangement
you show.

Learning to skate with the wheels rockered like you show may help you
avoid a poor stance with your weight too far forward or back, but it
may take a little longer if you feel less secure.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: >>>Helmets and axels...and padding
Date: 23 Oct 92 17:22:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lucpul.jkaplenk.719860932
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

In <55062@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:

>In article <92Oct19.103109edt.53@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> mann@vis.toronto.edu (Richard Anthony Mann) writes:
>>Does anyone know of any padding for your behind/lower back?  While

>   Yeah, hockey pants!

>-J
You can also get pads that fit around your waist and held together in the 
front with velcro straps. These  are  called "butt pads" in every day usage. 
Sorry, if the language offends anyone, but I can't think of the real name. They
can be purchased from many skate shops, or ordered from Rainbo in Chicago and
many other shops. They cost around $26.00.  If you just ask for that name, 
they will know what you mean.   They can be worn inside or outside your 
pants. I alway wear them inside.

I started wearing them when I fell on my rear and injured my tail bone and
couldn't lie  on my back for 2 days. I have stopped wearing them for
ice  freestyle, but wear them in quad freestyle because I only wear them
when I fall on my rear. I learned to fall differently on ice  and don't  
need them anymore, but they really help me right now on quads. 
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: FAQ screwup
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:11:09 GMT

Whoops, sorry about Parts 3 and 4 of the FAQ not making it through.  They're
too long so I have to split them up somehow and verify with the news.answers
moderator.  I'll post the missing parts ASAP.


BTW, did the other FAQ-writers (George and Sandra, if I remember right) 
want to integerate the roller-skating and figure-skating files with the 
in-line stuff?  This way rec.skate gets the FAQ posted/archived with all 
the files together.  I've pretty much got it automated, so it won't be 
much more of a hassle than it already is..

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Arizona Marathon
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:15:27 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


Hi,
	I received a pamphlet for the Arizona Marathon.  a double 13.1 mile
loop (or single if you want to do the half-marathon).  There is an inline 
division.  Prize money for the top three men and women for both the marathon 
and half-marathon.  
			Registration:  Fri. Jan 8  12 - 6
				       Sat. Jan 9  10 - 6
			Marathon/half-marathon:
					Sun. Jan 10  7:45 AM

	For more info. (602) 246-7697

I don't plan on trying this but if anyone else is, drop me a line and maybe
we can go skating Sat. or Sun.

						Ken
						kcreta@sedona.intel.com
			
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From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: winter skating?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: rec
Date:  5 Nov 1992 11:07 EST  

>In article <MARY.92Nov2164553@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>>
>>	- What do people wear for cold-weather or foul-weather skating?  
>>	  Or is cold-weather skating Just Not Done?

If you're already a cross-country skier you can wear pretty much the same
stuff for winter skating.  

Since you're going to be generating a lot of heat while you skate you
should dress less warmly than you expect. Experiment around with layers,
but start with something like a turtleneck out of capilene or polypropylene
or any of a whole selection of synthetics that wick moisture away. A
lightweight sweater (or fleece pullover) and a wind shell should be enough
for most winter conditions and may even be too warm for some ranges of
temperature. If you already own tights for cycling or some other activity
they work well. Lightweight gloves and a balaclava under your helmet
are useful.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: FAQ screwup
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:44:41 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov6.201109.10217@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:
> Whoops, sorry about Parts 3 and 4 of the FAQ not making it through.  They're
> too long so I have to split them up somehow and verify with the news.answers
> moderator.  I'll post the missing parts ASAP.
> 
> 
> BTW, did the other FAQ-writers (George and Sandra, if I remember right) 
> want to integerate the roller-skating and figure-skating files with the 
> in-line stuff?  This way rec.skate gets the FAQ posted/archived with all 
> the files together.  I've pretty much got it automated, so it won't be 
> much more of a hassle than it already is..

I wouldn't mind doing this once it's finished, but I still need to put
some more work into it...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Subject: test
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 07:45:40 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@feedback.eng.umd.edu


testing
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