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From: rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: VAC for Waffle wanted
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

minotaur@labyrnth.via.mind.org (The Minotaur) writes:
...
>Could someone please post where to find perl for MS-DOS?  I've been searching
>and searching and haven't been able to find it.

There is one available from simtel20 (and its mirrors/listservs)
also it's available at "ftp.ee.umanitoba.ca":pub/msdos/perl/

-- budi
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Budi Rahardjo
<rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>      <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca> 
Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle files section improvements..? (was Re: [XENIX])
From: cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:28:38 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: The Hovel Bulletin Board System
Keywords: (O)ptions, (L)og, (C)opy.

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> In article <RDesiB5w165w@halcyon.com> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
> 
> >kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> 
> >> That's a good beginning, but what on earth does "LOG" have to do with
> >> changing file AREAS or DIRECTORIES?
> 
> >Maybe because you need to 'log' into a new directory?
> 
> Hiya, old son - long time since tuthernet days, eh? I don't know about
> you big city fellas, but folks around here cut their teeth on my early
> fidotech boards, and they most certainly speak dos and only dos
> 98.10221 per cent of the time.
> 
> I can't find "log" in my dos manual, and that's the problem. _I_
> figured out what it meant, as have a few of my users, but the vast
> majority hasn't. "CD" they might relate to, but "log" is a foreign
> word..... "A)rea Change" gets immediate response :-)

I have the same problem with my BBS.  Users really find Waffle unfriendly,
despite the long hours I've spent trying to make it as friendly as possible.
Sure, you get the odd idiot that can't get past the login prompt.  But the
files section is very confusing.  COPY to upload an ascii file and edit it???!
Get real.  COPY is associated with copying one file to another.  I've had to
change the files menu to make users realise that the files setup is hotkeys.
eg, (L)og   - Change file area

I'm not trying to moan.  Waffle 1.65 beta 7 is a great step forward from 1.64,
good work Tom, but perhaps a feature to configure files commands should be in
the pipeline?  I can also print a users uploaded KB and downloaded KB on the
files section entry textfile, but how about an (O)ptions files command to
show upload:download ratio and kb uploaded and downloaded.

Something for thought, maybe.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:21:34 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: alias

In article <1992Apr8.143555.19014@ryptyde.cts.com> scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes:

>Well, maybe they should take a break from milkin' the cows and learn something
>besides a dumb bootstrap loader like DOS...   8-)

gotta admit, there's a certain logic to it :-)

>Well, I can think of a few solutions for you:

>1) Don't run Waffle, and forget USENET, and go back to the slow, low volume
>Fido-crap.

be still my heart!

>2) If you have the source, change the commands you don't like.

I have the source - so what? All that means is that I paid for it - it
doesn't imply I have any desire to cripple it up by trying to improve
it and learn C at the same time... (Three years ago, I couldn't SPELL
Brain Surgeon, and here I am....)

>3) Create a "new user" entry in your INFO section, with a brief description
>of how to use the more "confusing" parts of the system.

Hell, I do better than that - I also mail them the user's manual, a
piece at a time. Some of them actually find it, but some go for months
before they figure out that "Type MAIL to read your mail" refers to
something besides news, which they can't find either :-)

(At first, a few years' back, I made the mistake of leaving the docs,
broken down into pieces, in the FILES main directory... nobody ever
did find it, hidden like that :-))

After THAT, I con 'em into dropping by the office, give'm WaffleDOS,
and tell them how easy it is to be a brain surgeon. They usually
disappear completely at that point, although a few of them eventually
DO come knocking, via uucp .... of course by then, they ain't
interested in calling the bbs anymore, because they have no need for
it :-)

Catch-22, eh, old son?


>Hoping you find some of this useful,
>
>Scott
>
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  Waffle v1.64: (604) 758-9698 HST v32bis   (604) 758-6208 (2400 x 4)
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From: zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle+X00 vs 486/50
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:00:49 CDT
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

I'm at the last stages of purchasing either a 486/33 or a 486/50.  One of 
the major uses of the system will be running Waffle under DOS5 (or DRDOS6), 
along with the X00 FOSSIL.  I do have a NS16550AFN on a board I'll transfer 
to the new machine.

Does anyone know of any problems with Waffle/DOS or X00 with such a fast 
machine?

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: drew@bluemoon.rn.com (drew wenger)
Subject: Baltimore Waffle BBS's
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 14:51:15 EDT

I'm going to be moving to Baltimore, MD in a few weeks and was wondering
if there are any BBS's that run Waffle there.  If anyone could send me  a
few phone #'s of bbs's in the Baltimore area to get me started when I 
arrive I'd greatly appreciate it!

Drew Wenger
drew@bluemoon.rn.com
From: steve@presoft.com (Steve Kohlenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Dr. DOS/Super-Stor
Keywords: dr dos, superstor
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:17:40 GMT
Organization: Presoft Architects (Novell Developer)

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> In article <3T0PiB3w165w@hale.cts.com> system@hale.cts.com (System Administra
> 
> >Any experiance with HARDWARE Statcker 16-bit?  I tried software only 
> >version and it made me sick.  :)  Newspace is even more worthless.
> 
> Look, I'm a simple sort... just grab DR DOS 6.0 and laugh all the way
> home - no hardware to mess with, no hassles, and EASY installation. DR
> DOS, in my not-remotely-humble opinion, is so vastly superior to
> MS-DOS (any flavour) in virtually ALL respects that there's simply no
> reason to consider other alternatives if you need to run DOS at all.
> Why waste money on compression hardware when you have to have an O/S
> anyway, and this one, demonstrably, works like a hot damn... 
> 
>       === The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada ===
> Public Access UseNet for Central Vancouver Island via SCO XENIX 2.3.2GT
>   Waffle v1.64: (604) 758-9698 HST v32bis   (604) 758-6208 (2400 x 4)
> kmcvay%oneb.wimsey.bc.ca@mala.bc.ca  Telebit TB+ For Sale - $400.00 (Firm)

Two weeks ago at Novell, Provo, in the bowels of Network Operating
System Land, I heard this development manager say, "...Well, that
crash you just saw happend because DR-DOS messes up some of these
apps".  Every flavor of every OS has some incompatability with
something.  No one product (even wonderful DR-DOS) works for everyone
all the time. Compression is scarier for most people because a
compression crash sometimes means all data is lost.

Steve


   Steve Kohlenberger, PreSoft Architects  Internet: steve@presoft.com
   Novell Professional Developer           UUCP:    steve@presoft.UUCP
   P.O. Box 2237, Orange, CA 92669                      (714) 538-6002
   Specialists in NLM and Disk/Tape Driver development for NetWare 3.X
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
From: andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Andy Brager)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:51:44 GMT
Organization: Wonder Server - Public Access for SoCal

tim@qed.cts.com (Tim Capps) writes:

>Does anyone have any idea how I can get Waffle to allow users to send mail
>to people who just have shell accounts (root comes to mind, as an example).

Have you tried ../waffle/system/aliases ?

Andy
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From: john@rhutch (John Strittmatter)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Argh!  Give Me Some Space!
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:45:53 GMT
Organization: Rabbit Hutch, East Earl PA

> With a soon-to-be stable 386BSD release and an already quite stable and
> usable free UNIX clone (Linux), no, the cost factor is more the other
> direction now. :-) I don't know if anyone has compiled WAFFLE under
> Linux yet, but I'm pretty confident it would work using a make for any
> sysvr3. I've had next to no problems in getting some fairly sizeable
> applications (which already work under Sys V) working under Linux.

Linux???  Where can I get a copy of this?

John
uunet!rutgers!devon!sojurn!rhutch!john
From: will@divinity.UUCP (Will Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: ...
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 15:29:14 EDT
Organization: Divinity BBS (401) 847-8479

        Is there any way to get Waffle to drop to DOS and use CTTY to 
redirect IO instead of just shelling to dos??

   
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: darren@sol.acs.unt.edu (Darren Paul Loher)
Subject: Re: Anonymous posting under 1.64
Keywords: DOS Waffle, anonymous posting
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:08:27 GMT

root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.164858.1714@mercury.unt.edu> darren@sol.acs.unt.edu (Darren Paul Loher) writes:
>>Is there anyway to remove the time/date stamp on anonymous posts?
>>(local forum, DOS Waffle 1.64) 
>>

>I suppose you could always go into the directory and remove it manually. But
>what's the point?

Well, if someone was curious about who actually posted anonymously, all they
would have to do is type 'list' and get a list of the last 20 or so callers.
In this list is the time those people called.  Even if you could remove the
time stamp from the caller display, anonymous messages would have time stamps
really close to the time of other, non-anonymous posts from the same user.
So, that doesn't completely solve the problem either.  

Is there a way to modify the output of the 'LIST' command, without the
source code?  I don't remember seeing anything about it in the static file.
-- 
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darren@sol.acs.unt.edu                   University of North Texas
darren@elecafe.dent.tx.us      "A bar of soap just flew through my window!"
From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Argh!  Give Me Some Space!
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:37:07 +1000
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

john@rhutch (John Strittmatter) writes:

> > With a soon-to-be stable 386BSD release and an already quite stable and
> > usable free UNIX clone (Linux), no, the cost factor is more the other
> > direction now. :-) I don't know if anyone has compiled WAFFLE under
> > Linux yet, but I'm pretty confident it would work using a make for any
> > sysvr3. I've had next to no problems in getting some fairly sizeable
> > applications (which already work under Sys V) working under Linux.
> 
> Linux???  Where can I get a copy of this?


  tsx-11.mit.edu  - /pub/linux
  banjo.concert   - /pub/Linux
  nic.funet.fi    - /pub/OS/Linux
  kirk.bu.oz.au   - /pub/OS/Linux

(This is from memory. Apologies if I got any of the directories wrong.
There are also a couple of UK sites and probably other mirrors)

Also, you might join comp.os.linux (or alt.os.linux, but this is likely
to fade out soon as the new comp.* group gets under way). There are also
several mailing lists, if you're interested in kernel hacking, writing
documentation etc. for it.


[Apologies for the off-topic article, but I think it is of wide interest
to many of the participants in this newsgroup. Certainly it makes it
possible for many users of WAFFLE DOS to get a _real_ operating system
for once at a reasonable price :-)]


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From: tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "funky" keyboard under WINDOWS
Keywords: keyboard,problem,dos,windows
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:25:25 EDT
Organization: SalzoBoard BBS

The behaviour also exists under OS/2 2.0.  This IS a bug in Waffle and
I hope it can be fixed.  I don't know how waffle polls the keyboard, but 
it must do it in a very unusual fashion.

Under Win 3.0, DV, and OS/2 2.0, Waffle in local mode drops keyed 
characters if a person is a fast typist.  

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann) writes:
> 
> > When running in a DOS window or full screen under Windows 3.1, I 
> > sometimes lose a typed character or two when in a local login
> > of Waffle.  Has this been seen before?  Is there any switch to 
> > set to help this?  Will 1.65 clean up the keyboard input code a bit?
> > 
> 
> Hi Tom.  You didn't mention very much about your configuration, so I can 
> only hazard a guess here.
> 
> Are you using the Quarterdeck QEMM 386 Memory Manager software?
> 
> If so, try adding 'IGNOREA20 UNUSUAL8042' to your config.sys file:
> 
>   device=c:\qemm\qemm.sys ... etc ... IGNOREA20 UNUSUAL8042
> 
> The IGNOREA20 and UNUSUAL8042 switches might clear up these keyboard 
> problems.  I experienced this myself, this fix worked for me.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
> "Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"


--
Tom Salzmann <tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US>
From: dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Static file parameters for From_ line
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:09:39 GMT
Organization: Ing'Buro f. EDV + Elektronik, D-7500 Karlsruhe 31

Since a couple of weeks I am a member of the german subnet with a
286/8MHz/4MB-RAM/60MB-HD with DOS 5.0 / Waffle 1.64 using it as a local
UUCP node only.  It got the domain name  "wolferts.ka.sub.org". I only 
poll my smarthost  "flatlin.ka.sub.org"  daily for email and some news. 

Now there is a problem with the configuration of Waffle 1.64 mail:
after my domain name had been accepted by the domain supervisor, he and 
my smarthost sysop asked me to change my configuration. 
The first line 'From_dkw ...' (not the 'From: ...' line; read the '_' as 
whitespace!) should be changed into 'From_wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ...' 

In the Waffle docs I only found mentioned the parameters NET and MAIL in 
the file system\static, which control the line 'From:' but not the first 
line 'From_'. A remark in parantheses says "nonlocal from header is NETFROM".
So I inserted  'netfrom : %n!%A   (should give: From_wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw)

As my smarthost sysop told me, nothing had changed...

So I tried a special trick for the moment: I manually changed the first 
line in the data file created from mail in spool\flatlin before sending 
it to flatlin to       "From_wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ..."    
and the receiver got   "From_wolferts!wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ..."  

Now I am totally confused and helpless for the moment and after consulting 
the smarthost sysop (who runs a *ix system) left the configuration as it 
was for the moment. 

Has anyone an idea how to configure Waffle correct? All hints are welcome.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
From: geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:20:41   M
Organization: The Equinox Network CHCH NZ (Node SATORI)

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

> Designing a protocol that works and recovers from errors is much
> more difficult than it looks.  UUCP-g works; the problem is the
> compiled-in limits of three windows and 64 bytes.  The solution is
> not to throw out a system that has worked for many thousands of
> sites for many years and replace it with something radically
> different, but to use larger parameters.  Somebody with source to
> Waffle should just change these values in uucico.

The "source" you get for waffle does *not* include uucico.

| Geoff - Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 (4 Lines)
| Email:  geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz
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From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Hey, Tom Dell.....
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:47:52 GMT
Organization: Ludus Associates Incorporated

...when we getting the OS/2 native version of Waffle?

...or a twit exclusion capablility?

                         Lee  :-)
From: chris@surfcty.UUCP (Chris Johnston)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:08:10 GMT
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:
> 
> > Hi everyone.
> > 
> > I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some 
> > ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).
> > 
> > I made an attractive screen (took me two hours) and replaced the 'entry' 
> > file with it.  Now, when a caller connects they see the attractive screen 
> > and are then asked for their login information.  This works fine.
> 
> Maybe you could use your ANSI screen as the welcome file, instead of
> the entry file.  The users would see it only after they had
> successfully logged in.  Your uucp accounts would never see it because
> they shell out to uucico instead of the bbs.
> 
And, if you have a really nifty looking screen, a slower machine
running waffle, sending you mail may miss the in:--in: (login)
completely.

I had a neat looking entry and it caused a lot of grief when my
primary netnews feed could not get in reliably.

Good Luck trying to make a technical product brain-dead.

BTW,  If anyone knows of a good screen editor that _does_
use ANSI commands, let me know.  I understand sed is a good
one, but haven't a clue where to find it.

Chris


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From: mike@mallard.uk.mugnet.org (Mike Zanker)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle 1.65
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:30:17 GMT
Reply-To: Mike Zanker <mike@mallard.uk.mugnet.org>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

I'm very pleased to have just discovered this newsgroup!

I've been receiving one or two items of mail recently with
Waf/165 in the message header. I've tried locating this latest
version without success - perhaps someone can tell me where I can
get hold of a copy.

Regards,

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From: tracy@sal.lonestar.org (Tracy Harton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:32:20 GMT
Organization: TurboCit Salamandria - Richardson, Texas  (214) 238-5539

mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:

> Firstly, it means that users who dial up not expecting ANSI sequences get a
> screenful of garbage, with no indication as to what is wrong.  Much better to
> put a note in plain ASCII before the plain ASCII login message saying "Make
> sure your terminal emulator understands ANSI control sequences before logging
> in".
    I've seen one nice solution to this problem.. Many BBS programs now
    send out a few ANSI codes and wait for the terminal to respond
    saying it has ANSI.  If it doesn't respond within a very short
    period (second or two, maybe?) it simply defaults to non-ANSI.  Now,
    it doesn't ALWAYS determine if the user has ANSI; sometimes line
    noise gets in the way, or the modems don't connect fast enough, but
    in the worst case it simply displays the normal text..


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: gil@datasrv.chi.il.us (Gil Ben-Noon)
Subject: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Organization: DataServe LTD. Information and comm. services, Israel
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 12:46:03 GMT

Hello,
I'd like to know if there is a program that similar to waffle BUT I don't
want to allow the users of the waffle to operate the program as a BBS,
just for their own use.

Please advice As soon as Possible

Thanks in advance,

Gil Ben-Noon


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