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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:36:19 GMT

In article <1gkv39INNc8c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
> 
> I've been buying Grendel War Child because[...]
>  - The plot's got to go somewhere eventually, right?

> That last reason is starting to bug me.  The plot
>  hasn't moved more than 3 millimeters since the 
>  first issue.  Grendel keeps getting in pointless
>  fights & wanders across the world with the Cub.
>  Half the series is over and he hasn't reached his
>  destination.  All we know is he's supposed to take
>  care of the Cub, and he's doing a bad job of it.  

Well, I have a few justifications for you:
1) It's an obvious homage to Lone Wolf and Cub (as you recognized), which Matt
Wagner drew covers for the late First Comics' translations.
2) There's a lot going on, it's just not obvious.  A few things I've noticed:
   a) There's a number of grendels out there that APPROVE of this kidnapping.
      (most recently the african 'tribesman')
   b) There's a lot more to this Grendel than meets the eye.  Initially he
      looked merely quite tough, but there's a few hints in the latest issue
      that he must be something more:  Someone says he must have one heck of
      a power source to cross the ocean... several pages earlier he unplugs
      the bike from his boot.  The bike plugged into the boot, not the other
      way 'round.
3) There's a lot of politics to catch up on.  To drop it on us in a bolus
   (look it up, it's a keen word) could alienate a lot of new audience to
   the Dark Horse stuff.  However, MW has done this to us before.  The
   short text pieces in the back will probably catch up to the present,
   I'm guessing, about the time of the climax of this story.
4) It certainly beats entire issues of, say, Cerebus pissing, as has been known
   to happen in the past of that book.
5) It's a storytelling experiment, as many of the Grendel stories have been.
   Look at the issues which consisted entirely of 16 (25?) heads per page, or
   the wordless issues that followed those.

-- 
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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Not the wind, not the mill ...)
Subject: Re: Why does PAD *stay* on the net?
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:42:28 GMT

In <1992Dec18.143622.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> 
> 	Given the fact that we netters seem to be a terrible and
> nasty bunch all around, why do you *stay* on the net?  There have
> got to be better things to do than reading about how you or your
> collegues (sp?) are a bunch of awful writers, artists, people, 
> whatever.  I'm not being sarcastic (well, maybe a little) but it's
> generally a lot easier to find unpleasant things on the net than it
> is to find anything relatively kind.  So why do you stay around?

The Net is a great source of names for comic-book characters ... I would
advise *you* to keep a low profile!

-:-
	"You SIGNED the ransom note ...?"
	"COURSE ah signed it ... How else would he know who ta give
	 the money tuh?"
-- 
G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Next men (wasRe: I'm bored - gimme something to read)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:16:41 EST

In article <1992Dec16.204519.8679@pacdata.uucp>
jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:
 
>
>In article <1gjpblINNe73@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:
>>Here's what I look forward to:
>>
>>Dark Horse: Next Men.
>
>I'm bored with Next Men, but MA is getting interesting.  I now buy MA and get
>Next Men thrown in for free.
>
 
  It's not MA, but rather M4.  In the lastest issue, "Mark Ivy" comes from MIV
as in M IV as in M 4.
>
 
*******************************************************************
 
     I got remote control and a color TV
     I don't change the channels so they must change me.
 
     I need a doctor for my pressure pills
     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
     I need a banker to finance my home
     I need security to back my loan
 
     I shouldn't bitch
     I shouldn't cry
     I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.
 
          Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu)
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:59:27 GMT

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>In article <Bz8JBL.7zA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:


>I have seen the future (or at least Vertigo's future)...

>(Spoilers)
>

>and LJC is correct about John's target. 

Good.  I *like* being right every now and again.
It's so rare, it's a good feeling when it does happen.

>"Fear and Loathing" is a three part series that starts with #64. In the
>first part, Constantine starts to make his moves against Gabriel (aka
>The Snob) and the racist organizations that were mentioned way back in 
>the scene at Gabriel's club.

>In the blurbo, there's a hint that another one of Constantine's friends
>will snuff it. Three guesses?

It doesn't necessarily *have* to be Kit.
It could be Chas too, y'know.  Chas has been around damn
near forever, maybe his luck has finally run out?

Also, I thought Nergal's curse only applied to those who were
present at Newcastle during the whole Astra Logue thing.
Please tell me what the original wording was, as I don't have
those issues.

>----------------------------
>  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Don't think I'll ever get used to your strange
>    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  clothes or that upper class, public school accent,
> Using up all that promise |  but you're all right. Let's go to the pub. Your
>   I showed in my youth.   |  treat."      _Mr Peanut meets John Constantine_


Hey, any chance of seeing a "Mr. Peanut meets..." sig list posted to the net?
I love these things, and want to see if I've seen them all thus far.
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
Founder of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless
Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE ALL THE SEA MONKEYS???
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:27:50 GMT

In <Jym.9Dec1992.1152@naughty-peahen> Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:

>> I was all set to give the Sea Monkeys their freedom, when I
>> got a nasty, humorless note from Cat Yronwode about killing
>> animals smaller than me.
>
>=\= This from the woman who prefaced an animal rights anthology
>comic (_Born_to_be_Wild_) with remarks about how she's not a
>vegetarian and how she personally breeds and kills animals?
>Am I to understand that these animals are all *larger* than she?

Yes.  She keeps them in a pen in the back yard of the Eclipse compound, and
wrestles them to the ground before ripping their throats out with her teeth
and then skinning the animal for dinner.

Needless to say, Gary Groth avoids visiting Northern California these days.

                           "An' that's when they ran
                            you outta town."
                                                     "No.  That's when the bad
                                                      prunes kicked in."
----
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
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CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
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From: jim@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jim Myers)
Subject: Writing Comic books
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:08:32 GMT

	I'm interested in the format one used to script comic books and also
the format of the plot outlines, if any.  Does anybody know?
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:40:42 GMT


> 11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> 
> > Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
> > called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid,
> > it was used among in movie, television shows....

Actually, there is such a number.

How do you get the information service?  You dial 411.
But that only works for your current area code.

How do you get the information service for some other area code?
You dial 1-<area code>-555-1212.

So, if you want to get the phone number for Marvel, DC,
or any Manhattan-based number, you dial 1-212-555-1212 and ask the
operator.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about (look at my Organization: line
if you don't believe me ^_^).
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Fibber McGlenn and Molly)
Subject: Re: Sin City (no spoilers)
Keywords: Sin City , Frank Miller
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.003258.15073@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.053446.13089@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, pathall@kepler.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
>> Picked up the Sin City TPB on Saturday morning and wolfed it down in the
>> afternoon.  After I finished, I set it down and backed away slowly, making
>> no sudden movements for fear the book (or at least Marv) would come after
>> me.  _Man_, that story was vicious.  Brutal but brilliant, i really couldn't
>> put it down.  I hadn't read any of the issues of DHP where it was serialized,
>> so it was all new to me.  The art really was great, definitely among Frank's
>> best if not the best (IMHO).
>
>[Drat.  Someone beat me to posting a SIN CITY review...]
>
>Yes, folks, the big bad Frank Miller who did THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS
>is back in shape, and man is he p*ssed!!
>
>SIN CITY is violent, brutal, and mean.  It's also the most
>pulse-pounding, harder-than-concrete, electrifying! story I've
>read in the last few years.  I can't begin to describe how GOOD this
>thing is, except by saying this:  I hadn't felt like this since
>I got into comics back in '87, after reading WATCHMEN and TDKR...

Also, IMO, his best artwork *ever*, alternately beautiful and
beautifully repugnant :^).  I'm very glad I managed to wait until I
could read it all at once, which surely must be the best way.  Every
once in a while Miller really cranks out a gem, even he's going to
have trouble topping this one.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Grim? Ach!  Grim is not the word for it!"
   -- Gudre
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
......................................................................
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: WHY Ron Marz? (was Re: Favorite Artists?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:26:15 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Slipper Jim about Marz & Lim:

>Why should he bother to do better, when he's getting such lame stories from
>the new writer.  Does anybody who reads this LIKE Ron Marz?  And can you
>explain why?

    I don't think he's an exceptional writer, but I think he's at least on par
with Starlin's run on SS.  That herald of Galactus storyline seemed like
something Starlin would come up with (that is stupidly cosmic and attempting
to be meaningful).

    It seemed perfect for Ron Lim's light-trying-be-serious style.

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From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:51:20 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1992Dec16.172733.6560@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>> In article 1g5ndsINNl48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>>> 
>>> To the theory that Delirium was assaulted; who would have the 
>>> power to assault an endless?  Perhaps, some absurdly powerful
>>> wizard?
>
>	Gee, in issue #1, an Endless was captured and held captive for
>80 years... :)

Actually, it was 70 years.  "Three score and 10," if I remember correctly.

-- 
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
..I'm not nearly as think as confused I am.
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Subject: Re: Is SANDMAN Literature?
From: <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 23:26:44 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

evidence of being a literary author:
Neil Gaiman is the co-author of _Good_Omens_
  sorry I can't remember who the other author is
  but there's an advertisement for it in the back
  of Kurt Vonnegut's _Hocus_Pocus_.

hope that will be some help
From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Zombie Love
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:32:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pumpkinheaded Squids of the Poor

Does anyone know if this title came out this week? Yeah, yeah, it sounds
really awful, but I'm a sucker for characters with pumpkinheads and the
cover looked really interesting. For what its worth, the publisher was
Zu Zupetal Press. (Gee, just in time for Christmas)

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "He is an aristocrat and a peanut. Citizen 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  St Just says that is enough to warrant his 
    Reynard and Tybert's   |  death. I do not wish to argue with St Just."
        Biggest Fan        |             _Mr Peanut and the Reign of Terror_
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:50:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hellblazer in recent issues has revized the view of Hell somewhat.
This has cleared up certain aspects of Hell`s hierarchy.  Also,the
first issues of The Demon explain why there was a triumvirate.
As to Lucifer being the second most powerful being imn creation.
That may be the case in the DC universe, but my money is on Michael
in Catholic theology.
;)
PS Whether Gaiman pays attentions to anything else that is done
with Hell and uses it is problematic?  I wouldn't bet anything I was
afraid to lose on it.
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
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From: danl@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:10:40 GMT

In article <BzAE75.JM7@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A.  
Klorese) writes:
 
> Absolve?  Not at all.  The whole point of this is that  
rightocryptofascists
> confuse *bigotry* -- the opinions and actions of individuals -- with  
*racism*
> -- the misbegotten system -- and trivialize the role of the status quo  
in
> oppression.
> 
No, I believe that the whole point here is that no matter what you call  
it, it is still fundamentally wrong.  If you call the ad racist or if you  
call the ad bigoted, it still does nothing to help ease tensions.  And it  
is racist, by your definition.  The system it is working in is a  
black-owned business, and thus those in power ARE black.  Just because it  
is a black business in a white-dominated country does not mean that whites  
are the ones in power.  Systems of power and racism exist on all levels.   
"A rose by any other name...."

		--Dan'L
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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:07:48 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

> Hmmmm....Either WeaselNews has stopped getting new stuff from a.c.l. or
> nothing has been posted.  Well, I guess I'll have to fix that...
> 	--MikE...should be studying but isn't...yet.

	I am here.  Constant and unchanging, yet in constant turmoil like
the very fabric of CHAOS I am here!  I am the forces of wReam...

					wReam...

P.S.  I just finished Ultimate Ninja #4!  Not much happens except it is 
painfully obvious who the TRAITOR is...  Coming up next!  :)

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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Martian Manhunter:  American Secrets
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:12:58 GMT

smith@ug.cs.dal.ca (Sean Smith) writes:
> 	Does anyone out there in R.A.C-land know when issue #3 is supposed to
> be released?  I have 1 & 2 and really enjoyed them.  But now I'd like to see
> the ending...

	Supposedly January 7th.

-Jeff
-- 
Jeff Hildebrand, The Shaggy TA		       	   hildebra@math.wisc.edu
"The following statement  is an editorial viewpoint  and does not reflect 
the views of WSRN-FM, its employees, or mutant drosophila" - Off the Cuff
"You can't confuse us; we're not listening to you!"  -  topology students
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA contest answers!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>	3) What is Guy Gardner's middle name?
>	 A: Darrin (is only mentioned twice in whole series)
>	    I'll look issue #'s if you want them.

One of them was JLA #56--Breakdowns, part 7.
	"Darrin?  Your middle name is Darrin?" --Blue Beetle

>	"It was nothing, You would have done...WHO SAYS MY
>POWERS ARE LAME?!?!?" It's been used many times.

JLA #55--Breakdowns, part 5.  "WHO SAYS MY POWERS ARE LAME?!?" was said
by Ice.

>I also like the group cover shot with everyone looking at 
>the reader. Used 4 or 5 times.

I didn't start reading JLA regularly until #52 (Right before Breakdowns), but
I can name JLA #1, JLA #24, JLE #1, JLIQ #1, and I think JLE #42 (altho I 
dropped the title after #41, and JLA after #66).

>On a side note, what does everyone think of this rumor of
>the new line-up (Black Condor, Agent Liberty?) I hope it's
>not true. I wouldn't mind the Ray, too much. I guess it's
>too much to ask for Giffen and DeMatteis back...Oh well.
>As long as Guy is around, I'll still read it.

I'll be happy the day DC fires Dan Jurgens for screwing the books big time.

>Have a Happy Holiday and keep reading those comics!

Thank you.  And the same to you, too.  The same to all of you, while I'm
at it.  :)

	--MikE...Juuuurginnnnsss!  (My impression of Doomsday.  Whaddaya 
		think?)


-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:33:05 GMT
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons 

In article <Bz89HH.49x@news.udel.edu> cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>In article <Bz7Iss.H1H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>>As far as the 2099 Doom is concerned--Victor vonDoom would not where
>>a costume with cheesy spikes on it (unless they are functional which
>>I doubt they will be), and unless they show his eyes behind those
>>eyeslits, a lot of the characterization of Dr. Doom will be lost. Of
>>course, just MHO!
>Why wouldn't Doom wear the spikes? We have no info that Doom doesn't
>like spikes. Hell, for all we know about Doom, maybe he likes spiked

In Silver Sable #4, Sable comments to the Doom doppleganger that the
"skulls and spikes are most undignified". She has known him for
many years and should know better than most what his style is. 

>heels! And maybe, just maybe, he likes running around in women's
>underwear, singing, "Oh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay/ I sleep all
>night and I work all day" and such. You're just PROJECTING your
>feelings onto Doom...you evil person! SLAP!

Well...I must say you had me laughing like a lunatic when I read this (it
probably is just finals :) I really can't say you're wrong--I just hope
you're not right!

>(Sorry, it's just GRE's and finals talking...:)
>>Another side note--I just read a Spidey issue where Baron Zemo II is
>>running around without his mask--I highly doubt Dr. Doom's face could
>>be worse than that! Yechhhhhhhh!
>Just another example of why Sal Buscema is one of the best artists
>there is, IMHO. For those who haven't read the Death of Vermin saga in
>Spect. Spidey, do it- it was great...
>Ray Cornwall
>University of Delawhere
>


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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sin, Gaiman defend Spawn,Image
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:04:42 GMT

Me too?  With the High Cost spoliers intact maybe?


thanx.
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
Founder of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless
Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
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From: djyoung@polaris.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:38:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I think the numbers in the Spawn comic ave something to do
with his power level.  Remember he only has a limited amount
of time with power, maybe this is how it is measured.


-- 
the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu

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