From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:45:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


David Klein writes...

#bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
#
#
#>   While there may have been a spate of Christian propaganda here
#>in scj, there response to it was swift, intense, non-stop, angry,
#>educated, and sincere.  Most of you who responded to the preacher
#>infestation have knowledge of Judaism that is way beyond mine.  I
#>know that your knowledge is what drove these nuisances off.  As a
#>Jew who has no interest in, or patience for, Christianity in this
#>group, I would like to thank all of you who aided, by virtue of a
#>sound knowledge of Judaism, in getting rid of these preachers.  
#>   It has been proved once again that Jewish education is the one
#>and only way of dealing with these people.
#>   Over the years, I have encountered many JFJ's.  But I have not
#>ever met one who, if he was REALLY Jewish, had been given much of
#>a Jewish education.  I qualified my statement, because I have met
#>several "Jews" for Jesus who were NEVER Jewish!  These phony Jews
#>seem to think that by posing as Jews, they can attract uneducated
#>Jews, who simply don't know any better.  The JFJ's who really ARE
#>born Jewish don't know much of anything about Judaism.
#>   I am sure that we have not seen the last of these folks.  They
#>seem to be like cockroaches in an NYC flat.  You can't get rid of
#>ALL of them, but it is possible to keep them under control.  
#>   To all of you who helped..., WELL DONE!  And Thank you.
#
#>                             -Mark
#
#  I find that this article is very upsetting because the intolerance
#Mark casts of other people is very poor. 

    I am not tolerant of intolerance. 

#                                              I can understand your
#resentment and anger towards those who would disrespect our culture,
#but does holding a similar attitude towards them do anything but give
#you a cultural ego boost. 

    I do not get some "cultural boost" from telling proselytizers
    to leave us alone.  If they heed my request, then all I might
    get is an escape from proselytizers in scj.


#                           Life is not a game of "we are better than
#you". 

    Agreed.  But I don't think that Jews are better.  And I don't
    think that Judaism is better than Christianity.  But I happen
    to think that proselytizers are a pain in the ass.  I have no
    patience with them, and i do not feel there is any reason why
    I should put up with them.  I do not tell them what to think.
    And I don't like them telling me what to think, especially if
    it is Judasim. 



#        I some how get this expression from you when you state, "You
#can't get rid of ALL of them, but it is possible to keep them under
#control." 
            
    I was NOT talking about Christians.  I was writing about that            
    obnoxious type of person who feels that he can tell me what's
    wrong with my religion.  I am sick to death of this practice.
    And I see no reason why I should put up with it.

            
#           Intolerance of any form is unacceptable. While we might be
#upset at the intolerance these people express towards us, it is not
#acceptable for us to be equally intolerant. Education is the only way
#to truly remove ignorance. 


    What do you mean by "education?"  Should I be posting remarks
    in some Christian group about what is wrong with their belief
    in Jesus?  Of course not!  After all, that is all these folks
    who try to shove Jesus down our throats think they are doing.
    They think that they are 'educating' us!


#If everybody believes in an eye for an eye,
#doesn't that leave the world blind?

    I truly have no idea how this applies to objecting to a bunch
    of missionaries foisting Christianity onto Jews.  If this did
    apply to me, then I would be preaching Judaism to Christians.
    I would be posting Pirkey Avoth in all the Christian groups!

    
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