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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:44:58 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>In article <Bvrot5.7Iz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
>>	to not stick on the opening day roster?  (We're not counting
>Other than him off the top of my head, did Larue Harrington stick with
>the Blazers? I seem to recall his name from the distant past as a failed
>1st round pick.

You're thinking of Larue Martin, who played 4 seasons for the Blazers
before he was traded to the Sonics.  He was the first pick in the first
round in 1972 and turned out to be a colossal waste of the pick.  He
averaged about 5 points and 5 rebounds in Portland.  After fans booed
him for a while, they gradually came to appreciate him as a nice guy who
didn't ask (or deserve) to be drafted #1 overall and did the best he
could with what he had.  Or so the books I've read about the Blazers 
have said.
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: AAAAA  NBL BASKETBALL SEE "AUS.SPORT"
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:38:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

just to tell any australian national basketball league (nbl) fans out
there that we are back into the groove. and there are lots of articles
in aus.sport relating to the nbl and playoffs and other news!!

well have aus.sport as our basketball group ok!

bryan!

NBL ON AUS.SPORT
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:16:53 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1bhe9iINN7ru@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>They ranked the Celts at #12, behind the Pistons ...
>Behind the Pistons?!?! Give me a break! somebody get this
>magazine a clue!
>Parish, Lewis, Brown, McDaniel, (Mchale/Douglass/Fox)
>make up a TON of talent. 
>IMO the Celts should definitely be a top 10 team this year, probably
>a top 6 team.
>
>
When will the Celtic fans learn that their team's success is a thing of
the (long gone) past... One feels more so after the retirement of Bird
the wizard. Last year they lost badly to the Cavs and have mired in
mediocrity for a while. The addition of Mcdaniel is a big minus for the
team. McDaniel is not a very stable person and don't be surprised to see
6-10 game 'disappearing acts' by Xavier. There are two reasons why Xavier
performed in the playoffs 1) His future with NY was uncertain. 2) There
was a master like Pat Riley driving him. 

With a secure job (3 yrs), Xavier will go back to his d-mode. The
Atlantic will get much stronger with the emergence of NJ as a decent
team and the Knicks as a contender. With this stiff competition, the
Celts should be happy to make the playoffs.  
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From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:12:37 GMT

In article <BvrKwB.5Gz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
>markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>>I think this is a great move by the Bulls.  The Bulls roster know looks
>>like...
>
[...Bulls roster deleted....]
>
>What about Byron Houston?  I can't see them cutting him, but where do
>you put him?  The Bulls can't keep discarding their 1st round picks
>or they'll get old in a hurry.
>
Byron Houston was traded to Golden State (Yeah!).  I guess the Bulls
decided that they had way too much talent on their hands, so they
got rid of one big bo-hunk ball player.  Suits me.   

I HATE THE BULLS!  There!  I said it.  I feel much better.  Now if
only they would send Corey Williams to a decent team, I'd be really
happy.

Andy Lowery
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: first round picks
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:17:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


I'd like to see summary of signings of 1st round picks this year. There are
3 holdouts that I am positive about: Mourning, Gugliotta and Barry. I don't
remember exactly about W. Williams, T. Day, R. Woods, D. Christie, E. Spencer
and B. Houston. Can anyone give me the info of status of above 6 players?
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From: u9148124@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Erik Ragland)
Subject: Re: question about nba.c
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:24:22 GMT

byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:


>Hi!  I just had a question about the nba.c program

>it compiles and everything but I keep getting an

>ld: -O: bad flag error..

>did i miss one of the options on the compiling command or something?

>i believed I typed in: cc -o nba nba.c

>thanks in advance for the help!

>ben
Just curious Ben. What is nba.c, what does it do and where could i get
it???

Adam
u9148124@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Democrats,republicans;black athletes
Keywords: Barkley, Horton
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:05:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: University of California, San Diego

># > The actual intent of Willie Horton was in fact racist as admitted
># to by Atwate r.
>#   Is that really why Horton attacked whites (racism), or was it
># simply a matter of opportunity?
>I think he meant that the intent of the Willie Horton *ads* was
>racist.  What else could Atwater admit to?

Hey!  Get this &(#$! off of r.s.b.p.!!  Thank you!

Tony

(Sorry.  I've had a rotten evening.)
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:14:55
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
	<1992Oct13.164113.4720@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <6155@dove.nist.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: hira@cme.nist.gov's message of 13 Oct 92 21:39:02 GMT

>>>>> "Ron" == Ron Hira <hira@cme.nist.gov> writes:
	[stuff deleted]
  Ron> My original question was rhetorical. The point I was trying to
  Ron> make was that Gugs will be paid a whole helluvalot more than 
  Ron> Gamble. If this is even close to a market system (which it really
  Ron> ain't), that would imply that his perceived value on the floor
  Ron> is greater, no?

Value on the floor plues perceived potential value. 

Everybody always whines about "Gee, this rookie has never played a game,
blah, blah...". Well, that's one of the *good* things about rookies. They
haven't played a game so you don't know how they'll turn out! Nobody on the
net seems to be factoring in potential as having market value. Meanwhile,
after about 4 or 5 years a vet has settled into his NBA caste pretty well
and might move up a level in a career year. But he pretty much has nothing
in the "potential" column.

If you're in the Bullets shoes, you need all the potential you can get.
Patching it up with middleweight vets ain't gonna get the job done. 
--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
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From: jchandy@paris.crhc.uiuc.edu (John Chandy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:54:51
Organization: /home/dwarfs3/jchandy/.organization
	<1992Oct13.164113.4720@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
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In-reply-to: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU's message of Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:41:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164113.4720@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

   One more thing: There's an implicit agreement between the NCAA and the
   NBA, whereby the NCAA prepares the stars and the NBA pays them later.
   I have no doubt that after they get drafted, the college stars feel
   that finally they're getting paid for the 4 or more years where they
   busted their butts and only made money for others.  You don't think
   that Alonzo Mourning has made money for Georgetown?  Much, much more
   than his scholarship was worth.  And that, in part, is what he's trying
   to collect now.

   --Gidi

About this, does anybody know why NBA teams don't establish a farm
system (maybe the CBA) to evaluate future players.  If this was used
to groom high school grads, you could sign them cheap, and evaluate
their talent.  I'm sure that most current high school stars would
bypass college if they could be playing for money.  The team could
even guarantee a 4 year college scholarship (part time or full time
after their career) for those that actually wanted to earn a college
education.

I don't think there is a NBA rule against drafting high school grads.
Malone and Kemp come to mind.  The NCAA programs will suffer in terms
of quality but my feeling is tough luck.  Those schools are not
supposed to be a training ground for the NBA.

Any opinions?

John C.
jchandy@uiuc.edu
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From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Subject: Hello???
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00569-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:24:27 GMT





Is this making it to anyone???????


help.


Chris



cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Orlando Magic Preseason Report
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw0z1K.G6w
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
>			Orlando Magic Roster

>Player			Pos.	Ht.	Wt.	College		Yr	#
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Roberts, Stanley	C	7-0	285	LSU		1-5	53

	U might want to "X" this one off of the list...

>In addition to the above roster, the Magic have also signed:

>Byron Irvin	G	6-5
>Daimon Sweet	G	6-5
>Howard Wright	F	6-9
>Mark McNamara	C	6-11
>Ken Bannister	F	6-9

	I don't see any of these guys sticking.  But, it's nice to see
	that "The Animal" (Bannister) is trying again to make yet another
	NBA squad!

>The two big questions to be answered during camp:

>1. Who survives the the cut at Point Guard?  One of Conner, Corchiani, or
>Green won't make the final twelve.  Green has been pushing Corchiani hard.
>If they both show well, it not inconceivable that Conner would be cut,
>quaranteed contract notwithstanding.   The first preseason game against
>Miami on Friday, Oct. 16, should provide the first real indication of how
>the struggle is going.

	I would think that Conner would stick.  He's a veteran who gives
	them a big point guard, who can rebound and play sticky defense.
	I think the competition will be between Corchiani and Green.
	While Green is a much better scorer, Corchiani certainly makes
	better decisions.  Then again, Green really isn't a point guard.
	Should be a tough choice.

>2. Who is going to be available in the front court?  I expect that either
>Reynolds or Williams will begin the season on the DL.  However, it is
>possible that both could be there.  If that happens the Magic will need to go
>shopping for some help.  Any likely candidates?

	Looks like the Magic will have to go w/ Catledge & Turner as
	frontcourt depth.  Maybe move Nick Anderson to small forward in
	a pinch.

	Jazzy J

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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Oct13.164113.4720@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
|> From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)

|> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
|> >why do they demand and the teams pay them such high salaries? 
|> 
|> They demand the big bucks because they can get it.  The teams pay it
|> because it's a good business investment.

[Stuff Deleted]

My original question was rhetorical. The point I was trying to
make was that Gugs will be paid a whole helluvalot more than 
Gamble. If this is even close to a market system (which it really
ain't), that would imply that his perceived value on the floor
is greater, no?

Ron
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From: dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling)
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:51:57 GMT

in a follow up to my previous post about Kevin McHale's HUGE 3 against 
detroit in '87 conf. finals, Andy@misha writes:

>> If I remember the replays, that wasn't a 3, But that's not what the
>> Refs saw.


Are we now qualifying shots? the point was not to argue whether it was or was
not "really" a 3, the fact is that it counted as a 3 and a 3pt attempt

Is there a footnote next to that shot in McHale's record, NO. the fact
is no matter how controversial any shot is, it counts.


Look at the three Bird made last year against Portland, Clearly he took a
shuffle step and a hop before that shot, but everyone will always talk
about the incredible 3 Larry made. (as time passes the shot becomes more
and more legendary.)

Dewey
 
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:38:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Oct12.220508.20654@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
> 
> (*) Let's see -- among the players drafted from 78 to 87 I would
> consider the following "perennial all-stars": Bird, Cheeks, Magic,
> Moncrief, Darrell Griffith, McHale, Aguirre, Isiah, Buck Williams,
> Rolando Blackman, Terry Cummings, Worthy, Dominique, Fat Lever,
> Sampson, Jeff Malone, Drexler, Olajuwon, Jordan, Perkins, Barkley,
> Alvin Robertson, Stockton, Ewing, Mullin, Schrempf, Karl Malone,
> Dumars, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman, David Robinson, Scottie Pippen,
> Kevin Johnson.  That's 33.


Good list. You might also add perennial top 6th men Rickey Pierce and
Eddie Johnson. Also, players like Xavier McDaniel, Dale Ellis,
and Tom Chambers have had fine careers.

Paul
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:03:03 EDT
From: <ACH2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Clippers; L.A.'s new team?


In article <1992Oct9.100211.1@pomona.claremont.edu>,
mtobler@pomona.claremont.edu says:
>
>A couple of questions to be asked:
>
>How much do you think the the return of Magic pressure the Clippers
>front office to do something so they reamined L.A.'s new team?
>
Grist for the flame-mill: suppose it's the other way around?
Suppose the Lakers were looking at the Clips  putting together
what could be a pretty exciting team, and thought "we better get
our big-name player back on the court to cover up another non-playoff
year"?

Alan Hutson
ach2@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: ichong@oracle.com (Ivan Chong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Anthony Peeler
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:35:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Does anyone have the scoop on Anthony Peeler? Is he a jumpshooter?
Can he drive to the hoop?  Is he a good ball handler?
Is he good defensively?

Why did people consider him such a high lottery pick (before he ran
into problems off the court)?
From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers vs. Knicks in June 93
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:56:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


It seems inevitable to me that these two teams (LA and Ny) have vastly
improved themselves in the off season.  Magic + Lakers=Title.
fThe Knicks ain't done bad either by acquiring the Clippers team for
pathetic Mark Jackson and a few picks.  The picks aren't that meaningful
becuase its now or never for the Knicks.
From: birdi@cae.wisc.edu (Harminder Birdi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: coach
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:31:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct9.113151.14661
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering







**************

	Does anybody have any information on who is
the DETROIT PISTONS new head coach cause Chuck Daly
is gonna be coachin NETS this year? Right !!!!!
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selfish
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:28:14 GMT
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Oct8.120949.10713@viewlogic.com> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>
>Did you read my entire response?  It doesn't look like it, because
>you obviously didn't get the part about "other form of equally 
>dangerous transportation", which all the other options you gave 
>fall under.  Accidents happen, whether you're driving in a car, etc.
>or riding in one.

I expect Tim will now recount the huge number of bicycle accidents
that lead to fatalities in the cars that the cyclist hit, and how
his riding a bus that was already on the road will cause the bus
to crash into somebody.

Sheesh.

- Trent Lange

-- 
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*                             Bravo, Magic.                             *
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:58:44 GMT

paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>> [my list of 33 "prennial all-stars"]
>Good list. You might also add [...]

I just want to clarify -- that list was intended to show that over a
span of 10 years you get 30-50 excellent players.  All I wanted to
do was verify that the range was correct, not to post a difinitive list.

And of course, the 33 is in honor of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.


--Gidi  (lakers in three in 93)






Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 00:07:50 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ignorant (was Re: Selfish)
	<1992Oct06.175815.6496@brtph560.bnr.ca>



Andrew,

	Hear! Hear!

	Well said, sir...well said indeed....

	How about ppl stop talking trash about Magic, and start talking about
the NBA season...you know, that game with the hoops and basketballs that
starts in a month?  

	Come on, ppl, Magic is not the only news in the NBA and I am a huge
Laker/Magic fan...time to get some new ideas for postings and let the
man live his life...

	Besides, not only is this nonsense getting redudant, it is getting down
right boring...

MAGE.
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:13:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.98287
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


WHat was the exactl reason why Michael Young didn't make the team?
Did he turn out to the that bad?
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: PACERS,PACERS,PACERS
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:02:58 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: bramsey@npal.rn.com's message of 12 Oct 92 10:56:04 GMT


   r IF anyone thinks the bulls are going to win another one your in for a shock.
   the Indiana pacers are going to have  a 65 win season and kill the bulls in the
   post season.

   bramsey@npal.rn.com

   n 
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Dear Allmighty and Magnificent Gods of Woof,

Please disregard the poor misguided and unknowing child.  As a Pacemaker
fan, I beg you to not wreak the usual havoc toward a mediocre and
struggling squad on the basis of one bozo.

Sincerely,
Wayne.
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:09:51 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1bc70lINNdk1@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker) writes:
>Don't forget Tellis Frank.

Or Alec "Med School" Kessler.
--Rob Clough
From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: rec.sport.basketball.pro.celtics, etc
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:53:03 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Would anyone else like to see a separate group for each pro team?  I tend
to only scan this group for articles on the Celtics, especially when I
don't have much spare time.  

Do you think there would be enough traffic to warrant it?  I imagine 
most posts on rec.sport.basketball.pro could be cross-posted to one 
or more of the team specific ones creating some immediate volume.  
I think it might also spark more team-specific discussion within each 
of the smaller groups.

I have at times held back from making a very Celtics oriented post
here that I would have made in a alt.sport.basketball.celtics.


Just a thought...

Dave Owens
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: smorshead@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: trading Hakeem
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:41:12 GMT

Speculation on Hakeem,

last year a lot of rumors came up about Hakeem going to the Lakers.
This still seems viable to me, LA could give up Divac, Perkins, and another
backcourt player (Scott?) for Olajuwon.  This may not be a fair trade anymore,
but if you want fair how did Magic get that gigantic contract extension (I bet 
he won't play that season)?  Anyway, opinions on this speculation are most 
welcome.

Andrew
smorshead@cc.curtin.edu.au