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From: bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:01:48 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Sep10.115956.20905@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:

>I get arrested if I walk down the street naked.
>
>Recognize that the principle is the SAME, it is just the degree which is
>different.

Yes, perhaps you are right. However, one should get the hint that it
is the imposed principle that Iranian women are and have been
resisting for more than 13 years now. Recent arrests are an obvious
indication of the failure of this so-called Islamic principle. As a
woman let me tell you that it is really awful to wear those uncomfortable
(dast-o paa geer) Islamic uniforms, so is walking around naked,
believe me! I am not about to discuss the pros and cons of Islamic
dress codes, but as an observer I have yet to see the benfits of it in
Iran. 

						Noushin


-- 
I wake up scared, I wake up strange, I wake up wondering if anything
in my life is ever going to change. I wake up scared, I wake up
strange, and everything around me stays the same.
                                                         - Barenaked Ladies
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: repression of women
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:32:33 GMT

>In <1992Sep10.183412.19759@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi) writes:

>By the way, the laughable excuse for the harrasment of women  presented by
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Behnam Sadeghi (that the regime is 'forced' to take action against 'immodestly
>dressed' women due to pressure from 'the people') can be used to justify
>the killing of Jews in Germany (in fact, Hitler and Goebels often used 'public
>pressure' to justify their murderous acts in the same way). You can always find
>a 'public' which supports the most barbaric treatment of a section of the
>population, if you are in power and it suits your political needs.

While I do support the requirement of modest dress in Iran, the statement
of mine that you refer to above was not meant as a justification for the
requirement at all.

You didn't read my article carefully.  To refute the anonymous poster's
illogical line of reasoning, I was explaining why the fact that 400 women
were stopped in 2 days doesn't imply his/her assumption that 400 women are 
stopped given ANY two days. (she used this assumption to estimate the 
number of people stopped annually).  I explained that the every several
months the government is forced to crack down due to public outrage.
So, such extensive crack-downs do not occur on a daily basis.  That's all.

>And don't give us the baloney about 'but
>Iranian culture is different'. Iranian culture has existed a long time before
>this regime came to power, and I can tell you with authority (as an Iranian)
>that beating women on the streets, terrorizing them and arresting them for
>showing a few strands of their hair is _not_ part of Iranian culture. It is
>as alien and unwelcome as going naked on the streets would be.

Perhaps you're referring to the following event:  recently, a bunch of
sick louts and criminals in Vanak sqare in Tehran attacked women, throwing
paint on them!   I fully agree with you that this is not part of the
Iranian culture.  But this isn't what we have been talking about.
You're changing the subject.

[Note:  Needless to say, the pathetic event referred to above was met
by disgust and revulsion by most people, including Iranian media.  
Even the Leader spoke about this matter, condemning such actions].

>>Mash Bagher

Behnam Sadeghi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Akhound Khamenei and Women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:06:22 GMT



I was watching a videotape last night. It is called "Two Faces
of the Iranian Woman" ("do chehreh zan-e Irani"). There is a
scene in it that is truly gross and deplorable. In that scene,
akhound Khamaenei is sitting down with a blanket (or sheet)
over his feet and hands. Women (wrapped in black covers from
head to toe) pass by and touch/kiss Khamenei's hands and feet
from over the blanket. The worst part is that, Khamenei
occasionally takes something from his mouth (looks like his
mouth water) and gives to women. Even worse is when women
hand over their babies and he touches their head presumably
to cure their illness.

This is gross and deplorable! I like to see how Khomeini
apologists justify this kind of repugnant, hideous and
disgusting acts by their "leader." I wonder if Khomeini
apologists' relatives (e.g., mothers, sisters, wives)
also like to kiss Khamenei's feet from over the blanket.

Remember that Khamenei was just an akhound until a couple of
years ago. He then became "ayatollah" (read: ayatol-sheytan)
and the "leader" of all Muslims overnight. According to
the backward "velayateh faghih", akhound Khamenei has the
last word on all affairs of the Iranian people, and he
determines what is good for the people of Iran. Apparently,
he thinks that kissing or touching his feet is good for
the Iranian women. What a garbage head he and his followers
are.
From: harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: News from Iran
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:10:32 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

According to Mojahedin, units of Iranian Army opened fire on
Khomainie's Guards (Pasdaran) in SaaD_Abbad Palace (Kakh)
yesterday. The fighting have spilled over to the streets of
Tehran and continues in the Tajrish circle (Meydan). A
number of dead Pasdars have been seen on the streets by the
eye witnesses. Regime has blocked the streets close by. Last
report indicates that the fighting continues.

Asghar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: repression of women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:54:44 GMT

bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep8.144149.18953@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

>>imposed upon the women of the middle east not by Allah, but by men and men
>>alone.
>1.  The chador is not a requirement in Iran.
>2.  The Islamic dress is imposed by the culture,
                                         ^^^^^^^

Nonsense.

The forceful hijab in Iran is imposed by the ruling akhounds
not the Iranian culture. Islam was in Iran before the Khomeini
regime and will certainly be there (of course in its true
practice) once the akhounds become trashes of history.
The harrasment of women by the akhounds' repressive forces
has nothing to do with Iran's culture or Islam.

The akhounds lack the "rahmat" of a foreign war; they lack a
"leader" to preserve the balance between infighting factions
as no one takes Khamenei seriously. Iranian people are fed up
with oppression, high prices, shortages, homelessness, and
widespread social problems such as unemployment and drug
additction caused by clerical corruption. The mounting
protests and recent unrests have visibly shaken the akhounds.
They now look for different ways of prolonging their downfall.
In their views, suppression of women is one way of stoping
the flames of discontent.
From: bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Googoosh Image on tehran.stanford.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:04:33 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <BuJnCF.JIL@acsu.buffalo.edu> bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes:
>Hello All,
>
>In case it wasn't mentioned before, I put a gif image of Googoosh
				     ^^^^^

I just realized my mistake this morning. This should have been "I asked
Farhad to put". 
	
>on tehran.stanford.edu @ /Iran_Lib/gif. It's in B&W, BNM it's 
>perfect, and it's an older picture of her. I guess it's still
>alright ...
>

Many thanks to Farhad Shakeri's kindness for providing us with the
services available on 'tehran' ....


					Cheers,
					Noushin
-- 
I wake up scared, I wake up strange, I wake up wondering if anything
in my life is ever going to change. I wake up scared, I wake up
strange, and everything around me stays the same.
                                                         - Barenaked Ladies
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: another Poem by Ramin Sepehr
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:08:11 GMT
Organization: UB

Here is another poem . The english is followed , but don't pay attention to
it much, it's just there in case if you can't catch a word.

By the way, I noticed one of my poems is in the FAQ file in
tehran.stanford.edu , I want to thank the person who put it there.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
She^r-eh man Ayineh-ist keh afkaram rA mon-akes mikonad
Faryad-eh man sedaist keh nAjAvanmardan rah milarzAnad

man az kochehAyeh kharAb mi-Ayam 
man az pasty-o bolandy jAdehA mi-Ayam
man az faryAd-eh zani keh sakht tarin 
dardhAye JahAn rah tahammol kard,mi-Ayam

Marg-eh man hadafist keh az kodaki beh donbalash boodam
Marg-eh mA hadafist.
AvAz-eh man , Avaz-eh gooshkharash-eh nAkessan nist 

man az sakhti sokhan migoyam 
ta be jahAn-eh khobiha be-peyvandam 
man az eshgh sokhan migoyam 
to beh kassAn sabet konam keh man ham ashegh mishavam 


She^r-eh man Ayineh-ist keh afkaram rA mon-akes mikonad
AvAz-eh man, Avaz-eh gooshkharash-eh nAkessAn nist.


					Ramin S. ( 07/92 )

(C)Ramin Sepehr.1992


English: 

My poem is a mirror that reflects my thoughts
My scream is the sound that shevers ??
I come from the old and ruined allies
I come from the ups and downs of the roads
I come from the scream of the woman who bore 
the most excrutiaing pain of this world ( pain of giving birth )

My death is the goal that I have been looking for from childhood.
and Our Death is a Goal.
My song is not the ear hurting sound of  ??

I talk about pain so I can join the world of goodness
I talk about love so I can prove to them that I can fall in love too

My poem is a mirror that reflects my thoughts
My song is not the ear hurting sound of ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: aria.zip
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:40:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Hello :

Just browsing through /pub directory in tehran.stanford.edu, can someone
give me some info on 'aria.zip'?


ThankS
Farid Hamjavar
Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu (Navid Badie)
Subject: 17 Iranian Films in 1992 Toronto Festival
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:03:52 GMT

Toronto's Festival of Festivals (an annual film festival) has no less than
17 Iranian films this year!! This is a record crop for Toronto. Many of the
films are getting good to excellent reviews in the Toronto press. If you 
live near Toronto, this is an excellent chance to see some very good films
from back home. Here is the first couple of paragraphs in a review of
the Iranian films in the official schedule to the festival:

    "Festival goers' considerable appetite for foreign cinema is about 
    to be whetted this season by a series of films from a part of the 
    world few of us know much about -- Iran. These films will challenge, 
    stimulate and, most likely, excite Toronto audiences... but not in 
    the usual way.

    Iranian films have no nude scenes, (even womens' head remains 
    covered), no sex, no car chases or special effects. No one drinks
    alcohol, takes drugs, swears, dances, goes to parties, listens to
    rock and roll, or even defies their elders. And yet these powerful,
    simple films are first-rate entertainment and have all the elements
    of good cinema."

The reviewer thinks that "Iranian film is now emerging as one of the
pre-eminent national cinemas in the world today", and follows with a 
brief account of the history of film-making in Iran. Here is the list
of Iranian films in this year's festival:

Title                                       Director

Bashu, the little stranger                  Bahram Beizai
Beyond the fire                             Kianoush Ayyari
Close-up                                    Abbas Kiarostami
The immigrant                               Ebrahim Hatamikia
The key                                     Ebrahim Forouzesh
The last act                                Varuzh Karim-Masihi
Marriage of the blessed                     Mohsen Makhmalbaf
Nargess                                     Rakhshan Bani-Etemad
The need                                    Alireza Davudnezhad
The peddler                                 Mohsen Makhmalbaf
Pomegranate and cane                        Sa'ied Ebrahimifar
The runner                                  Amir Naderi
Scabies                                     Abolfazl Jalili
Stony Lion                                  Massoud Jafari Jozani
The tenants                                 Darioush Mehrjui
Water, wind, dust                           Amir Naderi
Where is the friend's home                  Abbas Kiarostami

The spelling of the names of the directors is taken directly from the
schedule, so please don't send corrections to me.

The festival will end saturday, Sept. 19.

Cheers,
Navid Badie
==============================================================
ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu
voice (416) 231-4111 x6675 --- fax (416) 231-3748
To state the obvious:
Any opinions expressed in the above are mine, not my employer's.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7788 soc.culture.arabic:3575 soc.rights.human:3349
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:56:43 GMT

bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.140238.1473@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie) writes:

I can't believe how far the Khomeini apologists are willing to
go to justify crimes committed against Iranian women.

The regime admits arresting 113,000 last year; Behnam Sadeghi claims
there were only 20 arrest! This is the true face of an "apologist"
for the heidous crimes of a religious dictatorship.

Moreover, using "taxes", "anti-nudity laws", and "unlawfulness
of owning nuclear weapons" as anology for forcefull hijab
practiced in Iran is really absurd and show how illogical
Khomeini apologists are.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mahin@reg.triumf.ca 
Subject: Re: repression of women
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.144149.18953@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes...
..

>1) When I consider how most men are, how ravenous we are, how rude and
>sexually over concerned we are, I think the full-length chador makes perfect
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>sense--"out of sight, out of mind" as they say here.  I mean that I think if I
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>were a woman who understood the nature of men's minds, I would want to wear a
>chador just to keep the playing field equal.  For all men like to criticize
..

I'm not even going to bother arguing over THIS one but I will say this to all
the people who want to cover women in chadors, roosaris or whatever the hell
else they have.  They can shove it up where it feels the best!

Thank you!

-Mahin (a non-believer)

  ********************************************************************
  *   A woman needs only 4 animals in her life:                      *
  *                                                                  *
  *           1.  a mink on her back                                 *
  *           2.  a jaguar in her garage                             *
  *           3.  a tiger in her bed                                 *
  *           4.  and a jackass to pay for it all                    *
  ********************************************************************
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:15:25 GMT

In article <assist.715986059@unocss> assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
>bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:

Look, you lied and said that recently 600 people were arrested.
I pointed out that 1) They were NOT arrested!! and 2) The number
of people who were stopped (but not arrested) is 400.   You ask
me to refer to the Iranian media.  The figure I gave IS based on
the Iranian media.

>When women have no right to choose the color of their dress
>what does "right to propery" mean? (BTW, Diane Sawyer is no
>longer with the CBS.)

This is incorrect.  Perhaps, you haven't been in Iran for a long, long time.  
Or perhaps you are lying.

>>	She also falsely misquoted 
>>    Pres. Rafsanjani as having said that women have smaller brains
>>    and smaller hearts than men and so men should rule over women.  
>>    I referred to the original text of his speech and, of course,
>>    there was no such thing in it.
>
>Oh, really?

Yes, really.  (Thanks for your erudite comment, by the way!)

>>4.  Mr. Mohatashemi was falsely misquoted by the Western media
>>    as having said that all political prisoners were executed!
>
>Poor Mr. Mohtashami! He gets unfairly quoted. Did he by any chance
>meant to say that perhaps the majority of prisoners were being
>massacred? 

As I said, the quote was a total fabrication. Nothing of the sort you
imply was ever stated.

>Or did he make the statment at the same time when Montazeri
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>protested the geneocide "ghatle 'Am" that was being carried out in


Incredible!!   Given that Mr. Mohtashmei did not ever make the statement
fabricated in the Western media, it's ridiculous to ask WHEN he
made the (fabricated) statement.  You are asking me to specify the time
of an event that never happened!!!

Behnam Sadeghi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: terry@ora.com (Terry Allen)
Subject: Bio Info on Authors Wanted
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:55 GMT

Dear SCI'ers:
	I'm looking for biographical information on two 
Persian authors.  The first is Rev. Isaac Adams, M.D.,
native of Sangar near Urumiyah, a Nestorian converted to
Presbyterianism and brought to the U.S., later returned
as a missionary (and was arrested).  In 1900 he published
a book about Nestorianism and Islam in Persia, called
"Persia by a Persian."  Has anyone heard of him?

	The second author was ambassador to London in
the 1950's when he published his Rubaiyat:  Hossein
Ghods Nakhai.  The Preface styles him as a great poet.
Is this hype or are his works actually popular (or even
just known)?

	Thanks for any help.

	Terry Allen (terry@ora.com)
	Digital Media Group
	O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
		publishers of books on Unix and X
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:44:14 EDT
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Need your advice for a good school (4 Romin only)

In article <BuC2Fx.DKB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
says:
>

  I tried to send you this directly, but it bounced.
  There are many good schools with a good computer science program in DC area.
  I would suggest taking the GRE exam(study for it!) and applying to the
  following schools.

  1) Univ. of Maryland at College Park
  2) George Washington Univ.
  3) George Mason Univ.
  4) American Univ.
  5) Univ. of Maryland at Baltimore


  I can send you applications for #2 and #4. Let me know and good luck.

RezA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:15:52 GMT

In article assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
|> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
|> >Not even close bud.  My logic is very similar to what most
|> >Iranians think
|> 
|> You and the rest of those Iranian who think this way are
|> not perhaps paying attentions to the facts. The things
|> you utter is what has appeared in the regime's press
|> in last ten years. The regime distorts facts to suit its
|> own purposes. When regime faces a force like the Mojahedin
|> who have discredit the regime all over the world, and who
|> played an important role in ending regime's warmongering,
|> the regime has no other choice but to utter lies, 
|> misinformation, and false and baseless claims. The facts
|> are that:
|> 
|> 	* the Mojahedin were in Iran when Iraq invaded Iran
|> 	* the Mojahedin moved to Iraq in 1986 when the
|> 	  Iraqis were no longer in Iran and had asked for
|> 	  ceasefire
|> 	* the Mojahedin played an important role in ending
|> 	  regimes cries for "war, war, ..."
|> 

You are hopeless!  There is no need to argue this infinite loop.

Have fun in Hawaii, if you guys ever moved there! :-)

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Modest Dress
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:45:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.115707.13123@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
writes:

>Yes, but are men required to wear a cumbersome cloth from head to toe that
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>forces them to put it in their teeth if they want to do anything coordinated
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with their hands?!  Give me a break.  I say let Iranian women choose freely
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Women are not required to wear such dress at all.  What you give is an
accurate description of chador.  The chador is required neither by
the Iranian people nor by Islam.  However, many Iranian women choose to
dress that way on their own accord.  Nobody is questioned or looked down
upon in Iran for not wearing the chador.

                =====          =====          =====

Let's respect women who choose to wear the chador.  Let's also respect
women who don't wear the chador, but choose less stringent forms of Islamic
dress.

Let's also respect women who don't like Iran's cultural 
requirements.  But let us also acknowledge the fact that the Iranian 
society has the right to impose requirements that violate this
minority's preferrances.

Behnam Sadeghi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian