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From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Subject: Re: Immaculate Reception---NOT !!!
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:36:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.073442.20901@gagme.chi.il.us>
statz@gagme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio) writes:
 
>
>
>
> Could someone Please tell me why the people of Pittsburgh still
> beleave that the " Immaculate Reception " was a reception ?.
> A few years ago they interviewed an official of the game said
> that during the decission of that play .
>
> All the officials gathered at the side lines for a few minutes.
> The official that was interviewed was the one who went over to
> the side line phones and made a call to security and ask if they
> had enough security people to handle a riot.
>
> The official hung up the phone and continued to talk to the other
> officials and the call was " Touchdown " .
>
That is funny that you mention that because I felt the same way about
the Renfro catch in the 1979 AFC Title Game between the Oilers and Steelers.
The officals changed their minds at least five times about what they ruled
on that play when they should have just came out and said that they just
wanted to get out of Three Rivers Stadium alive. To rule against the Steel-
ers in that situation would have been the same as putting a gun to your head
and pulling the trigger.
 
> If you watch it in slow-motion you can see that it was no good.
 
No you can't. I say that and I am an Oilers fan. I remember watching that play
when I was 13 years old and I must have seen the replay at least a hundred
times since that time. No one with an unbiased opinion can tell either way
without fear of contridiction. It is just "one of those plays". You can look
at it time and time again at every speed including frame-by-frame stop-action
and you STILL will not come out with the definite conclusion.
 
Last week, Terry Bradshaw told the media that he has asked John Fuqua many
times over the years whether or not he touched the ball or not including
earlier this month. Fuqua still will NOT say anything either way. "Frenchy
will carry that to his grave" Bradshaw was quoted as saying.
 
I say what the hell, it is one of pro football "greatest plays" and I feel
very privileged that I saw the play as it happened.
From: andy@sunloop.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:16:34 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.214902.26742@cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.210312.22823@weber.com>, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>|> Subject line says it all!
>
>Don't you love it when people like this demonstrate how low their 
>maturity/intelligence level is?

I was glad to see that he live in Brookfield WI. :-)




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Andy Knipp                    |
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From: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Don't do it! (was Re: The Packers still suck)
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation

In article <1992Dec22.144117.1300@cs.wisc.edu> larrym@ssec.wisc.edu (Larry McGuire ) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec21.203305.12516@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:
>|> >secured is meaningless.  Sorry, I guess I'll became a Bears fan, after all,
>|> >rumor has it Ditka is on his way out.
>
>Some other symptoms that require immediate attention:
>
>-  Removing your favorite brand of beer from the frifge and replacing it 
>   with Old Style
>
>-  Actually being able to understand Butkus' commentary during the game.
>
>-  Pulling maps of Door county/No. Wisconsin out and saying "Honey, were should
>   we go this weekend?"
>
>-  Calling the Chamber of Commerce in Platville and asking for names of 4 star 
>   hotels with openings this August.

	stopping every five minutes on the expressway and throwing 40
	cents in a damn bucket.

	going to school at madison (living in the towers).

	eating those wimpy little hot dogs (and making a big deal out of it).

	wearing a bullet-proof vest for a night out on the town.


	tom		pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Charger-mania..
Organization: Clark University
Date: 29 DEC 92 21:52:48 GMT

Glad to hear it. San Diego has a good, well-balanced team. Hopefully they'll
have a healthy roster for the playoffs.

Will they definitely play Miami next if they beat KC? My understanding now
is that KC will play Pittsburgh with a win, but the Chargers would not.

HWT
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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: viking feelings
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:18:57 GMT

as much as i want to be thankful for this exciting season the vikes
have given me, i am naturally disappointed. A division winner could not
get by the first round of the playoffs. i love dennis green's comment on 
the season after the game:
He called it "unfulfilled success".
it is now time to look forward to next year. looking in the crystal ball,
i see the following:
1. the obvious, somebody new under the center. dont know who!
2. players that wont be around for one reason or another:
	* anthony carter (seems to be in doghouse when watching games)
	* merriweather (age might do him in)
	* roger craig (does he have the desire to try another season)

i love AC but i think they will trade him while they can still get
something for him. the viking QB the past 2 year have thrown the
ball much more to cris carter. i doubt that AC has lost that much
speed or is not open on his pass routes.

what do other viking fans feel the 1993 season will bring us
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Saints Cha-Choke
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:55:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


It's another day of second half comeback playoff games.  

For Saints fans it's the same old story... they had he lead, the momentum,
and their defense was doing a great job but yet again, they blow a 4th
quarter lead and lose to the Eagles 36-20.  I gotta say if you're pointing
fingers, the 3 INTs by Hebert and the really strange play calling in the
second half did them in.  Getting picked off in your own 20 TWICE well,
what can you say?

For Eagle fans this is unknown territory.  Not only did Randall throw his
first post-season TD, not only did their offensive line hold off the
Saints pass rush, but Rich Kotite actually took them that one step further!

Madden seems to think that the crucial play was when the Saints were
3 and 1 and try to run the ball, Reggie White hits Hobie Brenner and pushes
him into the guard who pushed into the fullback and prevented the 1st
down.  I'd say the crucial play was 3rd and short for the Saints when they
passed (incomplete) and had to give the ball back.

Next week... the 2 bst games in the NFC: Eagles at Dallas, Skins at 49ers!

satish nair
ray is gone!
From: mrodrigu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Mark Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers ( what years did they win the Superbowl?)
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:16:28 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


 In what years and what number (ie XXIV) did teh 49ers win the superbowl
in the 80's?

Thanks
Mark
From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:14:50 GMT
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

we viking fans can find out how our team does in the playoffs while packer
fans can marvel at the way they CRUSHED the steelers in Week ? beginning
on december 28th. 

get real! you have to be impressed with the way the vikes stay in the game 
with practically no offense. they now have 2 weeks to work with one of
their quarterbacks. cris carter is coming back and they could be a force
in the playoffs. maybe it a blessing that they are not expected to go
anywhere. 

						vinnie
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Bills - Oilers HALFTIME
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:53:51 GMT

HALFTIME SCORE:  Oilers  20  Bills 3  :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: 187701458@vill.edu (JAGDEEP SAHNI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoffs: Philly at NewOrleans
Keywords: Good Sports
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:32:00 GMT
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In article <103409@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes...
>In article <1992Dec29.122002.692@totaltec.com> mark@totaltec.com writes:
>>
>>
>>Well I'm from the Philly area and I perceive the Saints in general to be a
>>bunch of no-nothing,wimp assholes who couldn't play there way out of a wet
>>paper bag!!!
>>
>>GO EAGLES!!!
> 
>.... and to think, I was beginning to miss this sort of gentle, good-natured
>egging on.  Who says Eagle fans aren't sports??
> 
>satish nair
>ray is gone!


	Eh??? Hey Satish, you offend me. Who are you calling a good sport?
Gentle, good-natured egging on is not for Gang Green fans. :-) 
Anyway, I don't think so badly about the Saints. I just think that our
desperation, excuse me, I mean motivation, our motivation is greater. The 
Saints did not look so good against the Jets, the Eagles offense looks more
focussed, Gang Green Defense has an improved secondary ( I mean since the loss
of Waters and Hopkins) and dammit I want the win. :-)


	On a side note, does anybody know what Andre Waters status is 
regarding playing in the playoffs? I keep reading and hearing conflicting info-
rmation. I read an interview in which he said that he would definitely be back
for the playoffs. But radio stations say otherwise. It IS getting a little late
for wait and see.

	Also, can anybody tell me for which team Sanjay Beach plays for ( I
think it is the Packers) and what position?


		Jagdeep Sahni
		A Hard Hitting, Trash Talking, Philadelphia Eagles Fan
		Joyner, Evans, Thomas. Show the Saints WHO are really the
		All-Pro Linebackers!!!
		Herbert, watch out. Heeeerrrrreeeeeesss Gang Green!!!
		Bring it home for Jerome.
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:57:22 GMT

<1992Dec24.001131.3293@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) :
><1992Dec22.194328.21159@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :
>>Please keep these words about Bono in mind when the whining starts about
>>Young being the MVP.  How can he be the MVP when they have 3 starting QBs,
>>right?  Young gets hurt?  Just put in Bono and they don't miss a beat,
>>right?  Heck if Bono gets hurt you put in Montana, right?  What makes
>>Young so valuable?
>>
>>Emmitt Smith is the MVP.  After MNF there should be no doubt.
>
>Actually, judging from their respective teams' performances with and 
>without them, the true MVP would have to be either Elway or O'Donnell.

Or Foster.  I completely forgot about Foster.  In my mind he would rank
ahead of Smith.

>And, while it's true that the Niners wouldn't take much of a tumble
>if Young got hurt, his getting the award would be consistent with
>the way that it's usually given out.  

I don't doubt it.  I just don't think it would be right.

>                                      If I had to put money on it, 
>I'd bet:
>
>#1	Young (by a pretty big margin)
>#2	Foster (of the Steelers)
>#3	Smith

Yeah, there's determining the way it *will* be selected versus the way it
*should* be selected.  You may be right on how it *will* be selected.


Gordon
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From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bad referees in the bill-oiler game
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

The refs made the bad calls because the crowd was insanely loud because the
Bills earned the home-field advantage. Nobody can take anything away
from their victory, even if they *did* get help from the refs. They earned
it. It's called home-field advantage, and you don't need conspiracy theories
to explain it. The cheap calls reflect their superior performance during
the regular season.


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From: john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u)
Subject: Re: Kickoff rules
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:53:59 GMT

In article <57448@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> roberto@oas.olivetti.com (Roberto Ricca) writes:
>Did I have a hallucination or did I see Morten Andersen (NO) kick
>off in both halves during Saturday NO@Jets game.

Not sure. I wasn't paying that much attention.

>Is this possible? What are the rules about starting-half kickoffs?

Yes it is.
If one team, e.g. NO, wins the toss it can choose to recieve, kick or defer.
Defer means to defer your choice until the second half.
Anyway one team chooses at the start of the game and the other at the half.
Thus if one team chooses to kick off at the beginning of the game and then
the other elects to recieve (the normal choice) then you can have the same
kicker start both halves.

The only times I have been on teams that have elected to kick have been
those with strong Ds. We wanted to sic our D on the opposition; pin them
down; hit them from the start - and then give our iffy O the ball in good
field position. It also takes the pressure off the offense.
In some situations it can work extremely well, and sometimes not.

I think for NO (if they did this) it is a reasonable idea - an excellent
aggressive defense mixed with an inconsistent offence.

BTW, what do Saints' fans think of that WR Small? I've seen him make some
real nice plays but I've also seen him drop a few. What's the consensus?
Will he stay with the Saints or are they likely to lose patience with him?


Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
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From: rlehman@watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman)
Subject: Re: Guarantee Contracts
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:58:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <Dec21.195432.73838@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>A friend and I were arguing about players who get cut from an NFL team.
>
> --Is it common for a player to have a contract that guarantees his salary
>   for the remainder of his contract, even if he was cut?
>

It is my understanding that very few (if any) NFL players have
guaranteed contracts.  Players who are forced to retire because of
injury receive some sort of compensation, but since there is no
collective bargaining agreement, I have no idea what rules apply.

When true free agency hits the NFL, it will be interesting to see if
players try to negotiate guaranteed contracts.

-Rob
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Stats for stat freaks
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:32:41 GMT

The 49ers three possible playoff foes all fit a certain
statistical profile: In the take away-give-away differential,
Washington (plus 10), New Orleans (plus 9) and Philadelphia (plus 9)
are at the top of the league. The 49ers are a plus 7...In total
yards per game yielded by the defense, New Orleans is second best
in the NFL, the Eagles are sixth and Washington is seventh. The
49ers say they give up yardage but not many scores, and the
statistics bear them out. The 49ers are 15th in yardage surrendered
but are third best in points per game.  (source S.F. Chronicle)

I have always been a believer that stats do not mean squat, except
to the Monday QBs and the stat freaks. I still say, stats will
never win you a game. The most important factor is the win-loss column.
To wit: Niners 14-2....that is all the numbers/stats that really count.
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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Play-offs Pool Anyone !!!
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:55:28 GMT

Is anyone running a playoffs pool?

Ndiyoyo,
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From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:58:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Over-rated players???
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
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>(Shankar Unni) /  3:45 pm  Dec 23, 1992 /

>In fairness, I must pick on one member of my fav. team: Dana Hall.

>There's an overrated player in aces. He's OK, but that's all. The way
>the local sportswriters were going on after he was drafted, you'd
>think he was the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

Huh?  I don't remember S. F. sportswriters being *that* overwhelmed.
Most thought he was a good choice, but that there were also other good
DB's in the draft.  A few thought they should have taken a running back
- no one knew how good Watters was going to be.  The only references to
Lott were along the lines of "he's going to have some big shoes to fill"
(paraphrasing).

- Gary Rosen
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
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Subject: Re: Over-rated players???
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:41:05 GMT
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Paul D Boxrud (pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:

> Deion maybe obnoxious, but I don't think he's that overrated.  He's
> certainly a tremendous athlete with an ego to match.  

("Bzzt". Sound of button being pressed).

Yes, Deion is talented. No argument there. Is he the greatest athlete
in football, as many sportswriters and especially "Neon" Deion himself
believe? Heck, no, not even close.

  + Tremendous speed and athleticism.

  - Major ego. Doesn't seem to be willing to learn from mistakes,
    which he makes plenty of.
  - Lack of some of the real basics of his position strategy.
  - Awful blocking, esp. on special teams. Even as a cornerback, he's
    not all that great.

He really should stick to baseball, which is the perfect sport for
childish, obnoxious, prima-donna mega-stars (anyone wanna start a
baseball-bashing "overrated" thread over in r.s.b? About half the
league would end up there..)

In combination with Tim McKyer (another overrated, obnoxious
loudmouth), Atlanta has the perfect backfield. And of course, who can
forget the late, unlamented Charles Dimry (yet another overrated,
obnoxious cornerback - gee, do I see a pattern here)?

Aikman, on the other hand, is not really overrated. He's occasionally
over-hyped, but overall I think people have a generally good feel for
how good he really is. Which is, pretty good.

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:46:14 GMT

In article <42794@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> msanfrat@cs.ucsd.edu (Mike Sanfratello) writes:
>The thing that has amazed me over the years is that here's a person who
>only likes to argue, can you imagine having to actually be within
>spitting distance?  But, what even amazes me more is that every year
>he'll find more people gullible enough to teach his lesson in
>futility to.
What's lesson in futility? my claim that the Bills can't win the big one?

The Bills can win the big one by beating the 49ers/Saints? Good, to the 
Bills, the big one is a regular season inter-conference game.

The Bills can't win the big one? Well .....

Take your pick. 

I bet you are gullible enough to be my new student .....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON))
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:28:43 GMT
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alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
>arm for the long pass.  All of his "bombs" seem to have too much air
>under them, allowing beaten defensive backs to get back into the play.

Well I don't know if you can say "All of his 'bombs'" and back it up with facts. 
Does anyone have any real numbers to back this up ? I know he did overthrow Irvin
on Monday night. I guess your only as good as your last game.  It would be
interesting to see a breakdown like:

Yards   Attempts   Completions
1 -10
10-20
20-40
etc..

Right now, I can't say he is better or worse than average in the area of
the long ball.

			-Ron
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