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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:12:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1993Jan11.162606.20898@wam.umd.edu>, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu 
(Yamanari) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.154247.29074@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> abilenko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arkady Bilenko) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.122547.12235@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>>	human.  Look, drop it and it falls.  Do you think this was some sort
>>>	of great discovery?
>>>
>>>	I can see yourversion of Newton now.  "If youdrop it, it falls!
> 
> 
>>I have not seen DSN (DS9) yet, and am not sure what exactly you are 
>>talking about, 
> 
> 
> 	I have not seen what you are discussing, and I'm not really
> 	sure what you're talking about, but I'm going to comment
> 	anyway.

And why not -- everyone else does!

>       [...]
>       Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
>  ---  boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice  ---
> 	      "Psalms 23:1  The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."  
> 		Shepherds are for sheep.   -----      Pain teaches.

I agree with all of this sig except the "pain teaches" part.  Try this:

	"That which does not kill us makes us stronger" -- Nietzsche
	Nietzsche is a nut; anything that doesn't kill you and is trying 
	usually maims you for life.

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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From: mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: ST:DS9 'Emissary' *possible spoilers*
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:06 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan5.224135.1456@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, RFORSTER@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA writes...
>	May contain spoilers....
> 
>	My favorite scene.. O'Brian trying to transport the shape-shifter,
>	can't get the transporter to work, kicks it and the transporter
>	starts up.



	Another favourite scene..

	Quark: I *love* women in uniform.....


	

	Suman Palit
From: mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:01 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <SS.93Jan7103621@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes...
> 
>I had thought the reason for the machince guns, were becaues of the
>budget cuts on the Ranger Force. They couldn't afford to have anything
>more high tech. This is also why the ship was a piece of shit too.
>--


So how come even the bad guys had guns that looked like AK-47's ?

I thought the bad guys had a lot of dough, compared to the Space
Ranger crew?


Suman Palit
From: howie@sunny.dab.ge.com (J. Bruce Howie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: WANTED: V
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:20:17 GMT
Reply-To: howie@sunny.dab.ge.com
Organization: General Electric - SCSD

I have a copy of both the first and second mini series but do not have any
copies of the short lived series.

If you would like a copy of what I have it requires 5 tapes. I you want copies,
could you also solicit for others on the net who may want copies and I will
make all of them at once (max 5). I suggest this since this is the third
set.

J. Bruce Howie
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:17:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Well, this is impressive.  It's taken people less than a week to start
slamming DS9 as much as they do TNG, and for the same reasons.  It's not
techno-dweeby enough.

(Speaking as a part-time techno-dweeb myself, I can use that term without
making it too much of a slam.  If you're insulted, just read "hardware-
oriented" or "hard SF" for "techno-dweeby".)

Allow me to point something out.  STAR TREK IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A
TECHNO-DWEEB SHOW.  In terms of science being important to the stories,
it's one step above "Quantum Leap".  Go all the way back to "The Cage".
Where's the hard SF in that one?  Where's the coherent SF ideas, even?
All there is, is a race of telepathic aliens which give the captain a
chance to face an _idea_ - pleasant illusion versus horrible reality.

The science fiction is a backdrop.  It has always been.  The entire
point of the episodes is the sociological / philosophical discussion,
which certain people on this newsgroup have been dismissing out of hand.
If you don't like that, if you want your ideas to be harder-edged
scientific concepts... well, then maybe "Star Trek" isn't the show for
you.

I'll admit, the backdrop has been pretty badly abused on occasion.  Some of
the technobabble in recent TNG episodes has made me cringe too.  But I'm
willing to forgive the occasional two-word gaffe, if the remainder of the
hour is a solid story.  (If it isn't, I've been known to bash too.)

"Deep Space Nine" has taken some great strides over TNG in telling solid
stories.  They're not trying to cram an entire story into 50 minutes --
this second show started what look to be a serialized plotline or two.
And this episode was even an actual DRAMA, the story of a person's
life-changing and life-defining choice.

If the cost of improved writing is a lack of techno-dweebish science, well,
I for one can accept that the writers for DS9 will invent a backdrop
to tell their human stories.  It's what they've been doing all along.
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From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Summary: Space Dorks ride again! 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:51:37 GMT

Well, apart from filling an empty hour before Seinfeld, Space Rangers does
serve the useful purpose of giving the alert viewer quite a few good belly-
laughs (to warm up for Seinfeld I guess).  I haven't seen acting this bad on
a network series in... well, in weeks.  I EXPECTED the dialog to be bad,
naturally, and the production values to be good (you can BUY them...).
Well, they were OK.  The animation (contrary to what someone else posted
here) was detailed, and apart from the starfield and the weird ship movement
was well done.  But really I thought they'd at least buy themselves some
decent actors - I thought Hollywood was crawling with them.

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

(this show is SO easy for MST3k-types to have fun with, it should be on
Comedy Central on Saturday mornings...)

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From: moses@netcom.com (Lamont Cranston)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:22:12 GMT

jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
^^^^$~
>"moses" == Lamont Cranston <moses@netcom.com> writes:
>moses> cultures, math is REAL
>moses> simple, 1, 2, Many.  Even easier than Binary!  These people
>moses> have absolutely no concept of a very physical phenomina, number.

>Uh, "number" is not a physical "phenomina".  It's something we people
>attribute to a physical world.  Without thinking beings, numbers don't
>exist.

Uh, yes thank you.  This is my point.  You easily accept that "number"
is something artificial we place over the real world of "things."  "Time"
is likewise something artificial we place over the real world.  The concept
of now, before-now, and after-now would not exist without humans either.

Geddit?  The CONCEPTS would not exist.  The natural world would go on without
our measly little bickering.  I thought that was my point from the beginning.

Monty


-- 
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moses@netcom.com                        to have gone missing"
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:08:29 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan11.162606.20898@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu  
(Yamanari) writes:
> 
> 	There are some things for which there IS no alternate
> 	point of view.  For instance, internal consistency (something
> 	which ST:TNG often lacks) can *never* be viewed as a "good  
thing".


I assume that you meant "is always a good thing."  But anyway,
first of all, I think the internal consistency of TNG has by
and large been pretty good: far better than either the original
series or the movies (which don't seem consistent with much of
anything).  In watching MOST TNG episodes, I get the feel that
they've really thought out what the Federation looks like, what
level of technology they have, what they can and cannot do, who
did what when, and so forth.

But, more to the point, while consistency is a good thing, 
something which is not 100% consistent can be good if it works
well in other ways.  TNG has worked well because the characters
have been interesting, and the writers have developed them
over the years.  The writers have also taken chances, giving us
shows that simply involve character development and nothing
else.  (Take Family, for example: I think this is one of the
best things they've done, but the entire episode is simply
an exploration of several of the major characters, and what
makes them what they are.)

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Otherworld
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:51:11 GMT


I remember this show!  Only a few episodes were ever on.

I never could figure it out completely.


SImon

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From: slrosser@whale.st.usm.edu (Meredith)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Keywords: STAR TREK NEXT GENERATION DEEP SPACE NIne
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:47:13 GMT

To those of you who are trashing DS9 because of poor science...

THAT'S WHYTHEY CALL THEM SCIENCE FICTION SHOWS AND NOT
SCIENCE -FACT- SHOWS!!!  

Geez.  I bet you guys -hate- Disney flicks.  Imagine, expecting
us to think Ali could fly around on a carpet that didn't
even have -thrusters-.  And that doesn't even -begin- to cover
the inconsistencies of that genie--!

And aside of the fact that these shows are meant to entertain us
and -NOT- to inform us, consider this:  IT'S TELEVISION.  As a 
culture, we should have long ago outgrown the belief that everything
on television has to be true.  Your outrage is out of date by half a
century.

Meredith
p.s.  Besides, how many of you really believe in dilithium crystals and
the matter-antimatter mix so vital to these ships?


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From: wyman@rtsg.mot.com (Mark S. Wyman)
Subject: Re: B5: Some Babylon 5 discussion on the net?
Keywords: STAR TREK NEXT GENERATION DEEP SPACE NINE 9 BABYLON 5
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:40:42 GMT

ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:

>psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm) writes:

>> <It waits . . . for BABYLON 5 to kick its butt.  2/93, the wait will be over.

>:)  That was a pretty good one.  My roommate came up with a great line for
>DS9. 
> 
>"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine....to boldly stay where no one has stayed
> before"

How about
"Star Trek: Deep Shit Now"
Saw the 2 hour opener and nearly gagged.  
	1) The commander gets a psychiatrist appointment from an alien being?
	2) The second in command sure is a bitch.
	3) The lieutenant won the Brooke Shields look-alike contest.
	4) Funny how many tricks you can do with a space station.  If we divert
	   energy from the deflectors we can blah blah blah thus making the
	   station lighter.  One of those almost killed scenarios!! Whew. exciting.
	5) Writers must have just watched 2001 when coming up with the alien being
	   encounter.  Lets see....lets add alot of white light.  Yea, thats its.

Hope B5 is better.
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Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
From: obie@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:41:57 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: obie

In article <C0p6vJ.Mqt@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad 
Barton) writes:

> ....                                         Star Trek isn't about Science any
> more than Quantum Leap, Highlander, Space Rangers, V, Space 1999, Battlestar
> Galactica, or even Star Wars is.  It's about the human condition.  It's
> a message of hope or warning about what might be (or might not be).  If it
> were about science, you wouldn't have to worry about suspending belief at
> any time.  .........
> I've said it before, I like all the "Science-Fiction" shows/movies I mentioned
> above and I refuse to be drug down into the "this one is better than that one"
> wars as there is never a resolution to it.  ......                     If
> you truely are a science fiction (or speculative fiction) fan, LET THEM
> COEXIST.  That's the only way we will continue to get fresh ideas as well as
> the old ones.  Ignore the cheesy episodes, once in a while you get a real
> gem, and most of the time you'll be entertained (and that's what helps pay
> for it).
	Yeah!!!!! And, thank goodness, this season at least we have some choice!
It should be clear from all the "I loved X" and "I hated X" that not everyone
agrees as to what good SF is. Just remember that in many years there were very 
few pickings at all. I just am so glad I can pick and choose for a change. If 
we had as many SF shows as we had sitcoms on the networks, we might see some 
real changes in quality.
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From: photon!uunet!pro-magic.oau.org!mikeu (Mike Ungerman)
Subject: SF on TV
Organization: Pro-Magic [A Proline BBS] Orlando, FL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:51:47 EST

roald@ac.dal.ca writes:

>mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
>
>My capacity to watch sf on tv is far from overloaded.  I say, watch it, prove
>there's a market for more, and dump it when we do get more and better.
>
The SF Channel just started broadcasting on our cable system.  I can never
get enough of SF, so whenever I want it I can now leave the vast wasteland of
soaps, and shoot-em-ups and get a dose of good old fashion science fiction.
Yeah!

Mike

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From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Yes, He Spoke. Re: QL: ANIMATED(Coyote)
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:45:18 GMT

In article <Jan.2.20.06.53.1993.14478@pilot.njin.net>, langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein) writes:
>
>Wyle E. Cyote has spoken in 2 roadrunner cartoons and numerous ones
>with Bugs. The one with the Sheepdog is Ralph (The sheepdog is named
>Sam), NOT the same Wyle E. Coyote. Look at his nose. It is different
>in the sheepdog series.
>
>The one roadrunner one he spoke in featured 2 kids talking about the
>cartoon, and they asked why the coyote chased the Roadrunner. Wile E.
>Coyote stopped and said something like "An intelligent question, young
>man, deserving an intelligent answer." He proceeds to describe the
>'flavors' of each part of the Roadrunner. Rhe roadrunner appears,
>does a 'Beep Beep', and it kind of goes back to the silent chase. 
>
Another was when the coyote used home movies (16mm, looked like)
to analyze his errors then tried the same trick again. (It failed in
a different way.)
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Men On Star Trek
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 00:37:14 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

Now, In Living Color brings you Men On Star Trek!

1: Yes, and welcome to Men On Star Trek, where we'll be discussing Star 
   Treks both past and present.
2: Mm-hmm, everything from Spock's big, pointed <sigh> ears to Picard's 
   little bald head!
1: Well, he can engage my warp drive anytime!  Anywho, first let's talk
   about Star Trek, the original series.
2: In a universe of the unknown, a group of hot sweaty menz wearing 
   tight little spandex suits are hurtled through space to where no
   man has gone before!
1: Mmmm... *one* man has already been there!
2: Oh, stop.  This, by far, was the best of the Star Treks, mainly
   because of all those times when the crew members took off their
   shirts!
1: Well, I've been *there* too, child.  Next was Star Trek: The Next
   Generation.  The crew consists of Captain Jean-Luc Picard <flutter>,
   William T. Riker, his first mate, so to speak... and my third.  Then 
   there is Data, a hard, stiff, package of bone-hard flesh...
2: I think you need to relax.  Remember, he's just a machine.
1: That's what they told me about that vibrator, but it's my best friend
   in the whole world!
2: Ah-hah, that explains why you've been so "busy" lately.
1: I'd call you over, but even you can move me *that* fast.
2: Anywayz, on with the reviews.  There's Worf, a strong, dominant
   man from a planet where sex includes growling, biting, and 
   everything else that's nice.  Next is Geordi LaForge, an
   intelligent, but blind man.
1: Blind or not, I'm sure we could show him a good time.  Then there
   remains Beverly Crusher and Deanna Troi, a couple of whores playing
   on the emotions of these poor menz!  
2: This brings us to the newest Star Trek incarnationz: Deep Space Nine.
   The name alone sends shivers up my spine!
1: Deep Space Nine is a little space station set up on the edge of a
   wormhole.  The whole place seems to be run by this nasty little Major.
   Bitch.  There's other womenz all over the place and a bunch of
   ugly aliens moving here and there.
2: So what did we think of Deep Space Nine?
1&2: Hated it!

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Only viewers of Fox's In Living Color will actually understand the above, 
but I agree with the verdict.  After viewing the premier, I had to say, 
"Hated it!"  If these people don't get into their characters pretty soon, 
this show is going to bomb.  Oh, and the Captain's son?  Is this our 
Wesley-replacement?


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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Lathe of Heaven
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:40:36 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  P.B.S. has a lot of great movie like "Lathe of Heaven," the only problem
is that they almost never show them. It must cost too much.
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:59:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hey, at least they get dirty in Space Rangers... I've been
down on Star Trek for a long time since everything usually
works and is so spic and span...and everyone seems to have
"pure" motives. Losing yer job to a machine is no joke.
  So what if it was a "cop show"? So was Blade Runner...
  longlive horselover fat!!
-- 
Ted....
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From: schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Lathe of Heaven
Reply-To: schumach@stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:59:06 GMT

In article 3776@news2.cis.umn.edu, donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> 
> Now then, does anybody have a copy of the PBS adaptation of John Varley's
> "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank"? that was great too!
> 
> Pax
> 					--Judex--

I was at my local video store the other day and saw a copy of "Overdrawn"
in the 'new releases' laserdisc bin!  I assume it's available on tape too.
I was planning to rent it this weekend; if you're interested I can post
you the company that put the disk out, and check with the store on tape
availability.  If this one is out, maybe "Lathe" is out too!

BTW, did anyone remember that a very young Raoul Julia starred in "Overdrawn"?
I sure didn't.

	Kurt
From: roald@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:30:49 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes...
>> 
>>I had thought the reason for the machince guns, were becaues of the
>>budget cuts on the Ranger Force. They couldn't afford to have anything
>>more high tech. This is also why the ship was a piece of shit too.

> So how come even the bad guys had guns that looked like AK-47's ?
> 
> I thought the bad guys had a lot of dough, compared to the Space
> Ranger crew?

Come ON, guys! Get a CLUE.

I, for one, am GLAD they skipped the stupid beam effects.  You may argue 
about whether they got it right by accident or by design, but they did get 
it right. 

Could someone explain to me how you distinguish between an "AK47", a gauss
rifle, and a pulse laser?  Not by seeing the shot, that's for damn sure.

If you want to complain about the "realism", start with the stupid space
chase scene, the ridiculous robot self-destruct, and what was with a 
"thorough search" for drugs that didn't use chemical sniffers, and didn't
even LOOK UNDER THE BINS.

I liked it.  It was horrible SF, but what the hell. So's Star Trek. 
It's fun. It has energy. It's a breath of fresh air after years of painfully
nice TNG.

My capacity to watch sf on tv is far from overloaded.  I say, watch it, prove
there's a market for more, and dump it when we do get more and better.


colin
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