From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,misc.legal
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:36:41 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov12.231349.29610@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> In article <13147@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# # A number of the molesters interviewed described their long
# # careers -- with hundreds of victims.  While it would be foolish
# # to attach any statistical significance to the interviewed
# # molesters, at least a third of those interviewed were primarily
# # or only interested in little boys -- they were clearly interested
# # in molesting one sex only, and were not limited to pre-pubescent
# # victims, either.
# 
#   You are correct. There is no statistical significance to this
# sample. Besides, I only recall only one molestor on the show who
# was primarily interested in the same sex: Wesley Dodd. Not once in
# the show did they make any mention that Wesley had any adult
# relations with *either* sex. The clear implication is that he
# in fact didn't have any -- ever.
#   This, of course, is right in line with the hypothesis that Kane,
# et. al. have been trying to make: molestation is an issue of
# violence, power, and control; not sexual gratification or orientation.
# The Joel character is *exactly* in line with this characterization.

Yet at least one of the interviewed scum was, in fact, interested
in sex with adult women, and another raped prepubescent boys only,
and both boys and girls after puberty started.  This suggests that
Kane's position is wrong.

# # In any case, it demonstrates that the authorities, at least in
# # Washington, have not historically regarded homosexual child
# # molestation as a particularly serious crime at all.  This suggests
# # that the supposed preferential treatment for heterosexual
# # child molesters is nonsense.  It's hard to see how any lighter
# # "punishment" could have been awarded than was given to some of
# # these scum -- many of whom were interviewed in preparation for
# # release from prison, and who admitted that they hadn't gotten
# # past their desire for children.
# 
#   Indeed, this is very shocking. How do you feel about the legislature's
# "sexual predator" law? These folks are despicable, no doubt, but
# imprisoning someone on the actions they *might* one day perform
# stinks to high heaven of prior restraint, and seems *very* 
# unconstitutional and *very* dangerous. The screwup with respect to
# sentancing these guy to life in jail is the state's screwup. Passing
# draconian laws which rob people of thier civil liberties is a bad way 
# to make amends though...

I understand why the law passed, but it would make more sense to
make the sentence for these crimes much longer, rather than pass
a prior restraint law.

# # The next time someone insists that the gay community can't
# # exclude NAMBLA from gay parades because it's a "free speech"
# # issue, remember who the gay community is implicitly saying are
# # OK people to associate with.
# 
#   Where on earth does *this* follow??? Your precious heterosexual
# world is putting lunes on the street TODAY, and you have the
# audacity to claim that the gay community is somehow more responsible
# since ONE gay day parade in the US allows NAMBLA to march as an
# issue of free speech? 

NAMBLA provides a justification for molesters; the gay community
provides a platform for NAMBLA to spread their crap around.

#   God, what a warped sense of priorities. No wonder these scumbags
# walk the streets: you're all to busy trying to blame it on the
# queers to clean up your own damn backyard.
#   Fuck off Clayton. Put your own house in order.
# -- 
# 		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)

Take a look at California's laws on child molestation.  It's
obvious they are written the way they are to benefit homosexuals.
-- 
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Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
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