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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:03:20 EDT
From: Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject:    "No Life 'til Leather" ???

I recently heard from someone that one of Metallica's first albums was
called "No Life 'til Leather".  I believe this is from when Dave Mustaine
(sp?) was still with them.  Anyone know what was on this?  Anyone know if
it's possible to get this anywhere?  Thanks for your help!
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Mustaine's exit from Metallica
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:38:47 GMT

>I'm a little confused about how Jason Newstead would have any information
>on the Dave Mustaine era of Metallica - he was still in Flotsam and Jetsam 
>at that time, and Cliff Burton was Metallica's bassist.
>
>Is the above a mistake, or is he giving second-hand info. that he heard from
>James and Lars, or what??
>
Was F&J a bay area band? If so, maybe they did extensive club stuff and the
bay area bashers basically knew all about each other at the time just from
playing together and stuff. Hold on. Isn't F&J from Arizona? If so, forget
that thought. Probably second hand info.

philip


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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: sedenome@cayley.waterloo.edu (Banger)
Subject: Re: Cliff (?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:57:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.144807.29787@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>From article <7430@monmouth.edu>, by c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE):
>> O.K., I'll expose my ignorance.  Who is /was Cliff, and what is
>> the big deal?  I admit that I am a new M. fan - just trying to
>> catch up with all you metal heads-
>> 
>
>	Cliff was Metallica's second bassist who died in a bus accident.  I
>believe it happened on the Master tour (right??)...

Just to complete this...their first bass was Ron McGovney, and at that time, 
Mustaine was in the band.  Later Kirk Hammet left Exodus to replace Mustaine,
who (as you should know), left MetallicA and formed Megadeth.

> "Cliff was the world's best bassist"

Many fans say this, but IMHO, Newstead is almost as good, and neither touch
Steve Harris of Maiden...(ouch I can see the flames coming from miles away...)

UP THE IRONS!
-Banger.

P.S. Trivia time:  who named MetallicA, and how did he come up with the name?
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From: pck8t@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Paul Christopher Kirkitelos)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Mustaine's exit from Metallica
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:27:41 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <m7mmgha.tyger@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.171820.13757@den.mmc.com> squint@viking.den.mmc.com (Kirk Blackburn) writes:
>>A while back there was a thread on why Dave Mustaine "left"
>>Metallica. Last Sunday nite "Mad Max" Hammer interviewed
>>Mustaine on the Z Rock 50 about this. Dave said that he was actually *fired*
>>from the band. 
>>
>>The reason for being fired (not asked to leave) was that one day 
>>Dave had two pitbull puppies and Hetfield kicked one. Mustaine hauled
>>off and punched James in the mouth. "Things sort of went
>>downhill from there", said Mustaine.
>
>According to Jason Newstead, Dave was out because he would drink a great deal
>and then get violent, and "they didn't need that when they were stressed
>[from touring and stuff]" Dave pretty much agreed, but said he was disappointed
>with their decision to axe him.
>


I'm a little confused about how Jason Newstead would have any information
on the Dave Mustaine era of Metallica - he was still in Flotsam and Jetsam 
at that time, and Cliff Burton was Metallica's bassist.

Is the above a mistake, or is he giving second-hand info. that he heard from
James and Lars, or what??
From: jrcst21+@pitt.edu (Justin R Chimka)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: AJFA
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:13:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jrcst21@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


Why do so many people continue to rip AJFA apart like they do? 
Most of the poeple i've talked to  really don't agree with what
is being said on this newsgroup (that AJFA is commercialized or
whatever). I won't argue much that the _Metallica_ album has
only a few good songs on it, but why AJFA (is it because of
them releasing 'One'?).

Just curious...
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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Mustaine's exit from Metallica
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:17:31 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Jul29.162741.27432@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, pck8t@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Paul Christopher Kirkitelos) writes:
>
>I'm a little confused about how Jason Newstead would have any information
>on the Dave Mustaine era of Metallica - he was still in Flotsam and Jetsam 
>at that time, and Cliff Burton was Metallica's bassist.

Everybody except Jason is sick to hell of talking about Dave.  That's why.

-- 
Doug Puchalski						drp40@cd.amdahl.com
From: Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Mustaine's exit from Metallica
Date: 30 Jul 1992 21:54:46 GMT
Organization: LBL
Distribution: world
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In article <1414@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Ken Swanson,
swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com writes:
>He chose Kirk's.  So it could have been Kirk that died....  That would
have been
>an even greater loss in my opinion.

Any death is a great loss and I would hate to think some lives are worth
more than others.  Cliff was a great bass player who contributed much to
the very definition of Metallica.  Were Cliff alive today, I think
Metallica would sound a lot different from what they do now.  Although
Kirk's a great guitar player, he still cannot claim to be an original
founding member of Metallica.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:30:21 EDT
From: Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: AJFA
Distribution: usa


In article <12365@operator>, oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver
Postlethwaite) says:

> "The Shortest Straw" is my favourite song off the album.  The riff and
> solo are just too cool.  Too bad I've never heard it live...:-(

I heard it live for my first time yesterday.  =-) I went to the
Metallica/Gn'R concert in Pittsburgh...it was a really great show.  Shortly
after Metallica started playing, there was this torrential downpour that
lasted about 10 minutes.  They played right through it, and the crowd didn't
seem to mind getting drenched.  But yeah, I too wish they would play more
stuff from Justice at their concerts...the only ones I've ever seen live
have been One and And Justice For All, and now The Shortest Straw.  Oh well.
One other thing I gotta say: If anyone has an opportunity to see the
Metallica/Gn'R tour, it's well worth the money.  I don't usually care for
Gn'R, but even they put on a good show yesterday.
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From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Cliff em' All
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:33:38 GMT

I was at Wherehouse records last night and saw two videos from Metallica. The  
first was Cliff em' All for $20 and the other was the ONE videos done three  
different ways. The Cliff video looks god, obviously, all music done while he  
was still alive. Has anyone seen these? Are they worth buying? Sorry if this  
subject has already been covered recently.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: rjerger@icaen.uiowa.edu (Robert James Erger)
Subject: Bootlegs
Summary: Are there any clean bootlegs?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:30:25 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Keywords: Metallica

	I just bought Metallica's bootleg,
"Invasion UK '92", and although the CD rocks,
the sound quality is typicaly poor.  Since they
allowed legal taping of their earlier shows,
there has to be some decent live bootlegs somewhere
right?  If anybody has some names, I would 
greatly appreciate it.

			Thanks,
				BOB
From: v118jxyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Cliff em' All
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.023744.14787@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes...
>>	I would like you to know that I had to sneak that camcorder into Nassau
>>Coliseum, and fight off a mosh pit in order to get that footage of Metallica. 
> 
>re you saying YOU"RE the one whose master footage is one cliff 'em all?!?
>If so, how did you ever set that up. Getting your footage on the tape.
>did you get anything for your services?  

	Well, I have worked as a roadie for many years, and knew some people
who I decided to send the tape to after I found out that they were going to
make a commemorative tape after Cliff's death.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: jonal@sofus.dhhalden.no (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Subject: Value of signed albums?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:42:52 GMT

Does anyone have a clue about how much signed albums with Cliff could be 
worth? Have 3 first LP's + 2 first 12" signed by the band when I interviewed 
them back in '86, 2 days before Cliff's tragic death. Got a signed '86 Tour 
Programme also. 

I'm not particularly into getting rid of 'em, but just curious since the 
Metallica boom is riding high...

Nomad



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From: geordie@nick.csh.rit.edu (Geordie 'Gweeb' Klueber)
Subject: Re: Cliff (?)
Summary: Can we get the FULL history?
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:37:04 GMT

Ok, this thread has re-instilled an age-old interest in me; would someone
post the *complete* history of Metallica?  I've heard lots of bits and pieces
(mostly involving the "Mustaine controversy"), but never the "big picture".

So, all you die-hard-Metallica-fans-from-before-they-even-had-their-first-
album, how 'bout it!?!  ;-)
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From: beach@yinyang.rutgers.edu (David Beach)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: AJFA
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:27:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I agree - "The Shortest Straw" is probably the best song on the album...
and even better live.  They played it at Giants Stadium on the 18th and
it was definitely the most powerful song of the set.  They also did
"Harvester of Sorrow" and (of course) "One".  It was the first time I had
seen them live, and I was much impressed.
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: AJFA
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:44:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.


>Why do so many people continue to rip AJFA apart like they do? 
>Most of the poeple i've talked to  really don't agree with what
>is being said on this newsgroup (that AJFA is commercialized or
>whatever). I won't argue much that the _Metallica_ album has
>only a few good songs on it, but why AJFA (is it because of
>them releasing 'One'?).
>
>Just curious...

AJFA is my favourite Metallica album. I too am tired of people 
saying it sucks or is commercial. It's far from commercial.
I'd say it's their least accessible album. It's so ice-y cold
sounding. It became so popular because it's a great album, not
because it's commercial. I'm upset at how Metallica seem to be
treating that album now, what with the medley and how they always
seem to slag it off in interviews. "The Shortest Straw" is my favourite
song off the album. The riff and solo are just too cool. Too bad I've
never heard it live...:-(

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:38:15 EDT
From: Dave Gerber <DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Metallica/Gn'R dates

Here is a listing of concert dates from a t-shirt I got at Sunday's show in
Pittsburgh.

07/31  Boston, MA
08/02  Columbia, SC
08/05  Minneapolis, MN
08/08  Montreal, PQ
08/09  Toronto, ON
08/12  Denver, CO
08/14  San Diego, CA
08/17  Vancouver, BC
08/18  Seattle, WA
08/21  Oakland, CA
08/22  Los Angeles, CA
08/25  Phoenix, AZ
08/27  Las Cruces, NM
08/29  New Orleans, LA
09/02  Orlando, FL
09/04  Houston, TX
09/05  Dallas, TX

Enjoy!
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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Mustaine's exit from Metallica
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:24:29 GMT
Organization: MOOOOOOOOOON RIIIIIIIIIIVER!

In article <1992Jul28.171820.13757@den.mmc.com> squint@viking.den.mmc.com (Kirk Blackburn) writes:
>A while back there was a thread on why Dave Mustaine "left"
>Metallica. Last Sunday nite "Mad Max" Hammer interviewed
>Mustaine on the Z Rock 50 about this. Dave said that he was actually *fired*
>from the band. 
>
>The reason for being fired (not asked to leave) was that one day 
>Dave had two pitbull puppies and Hetfield kicked one. Mustaine hauled
>off and punched James in the mouth. "Things sort of went
>downhill from there", said Mustaine.

According to Jason Newstead, Dave was out because he would drink a great deal
and then get violent, and "they didn't need that when they were stressed
[from touring and stuff]" Dave pretty much agreed, but said he was disappointed
with their decision to axe him.

This was an eMpTyV rockumentary...

>Regards,
>Kirk Blackburn

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From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: The Black Album
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:48:49 GMT


With all the `true' Metallica fans and their grandmother moaning SELLOUT 
(yours truly included) with the release of the Black album I figured I'd 
try to say something good about it.  

ENTER SANDMAN is my favorite song released by anybody in the past year. 
I've listened to it almost daily for a year (I basically only play track 1
on this CD) yet I still like it as much now as when I first heard it.  It 
KICKS!!!  I'd go as far to say it ranks up there with any of their classics.
I'd put it in MY TOP 5 with (in order of release) :

Seek And Destroy
Creeping Death - (or Fight Fire With Fire, Ride The Lightning)
Master Of Puppets
One   

Too bad the rest of the record doesn't come close to the first track.  But
Sad But True, Wherever I May Roam and Of Wolf And Man are kinda cool.

As far as the album being more commercial or accessible, I only find Nothing
Else Matters and maybe The Unforgiven being as such as they made videos for
them and everything.  But even then they've always had those moody tunes 
(Fade to Black, Welcome Home Sanitarium - both classics), its not like they 
wrote love songs or anything.  I don't find the record that commercial, only
their marketing is.  Its a bit of a drag to see the whole world into them now,
(sounds stupid I know but) I used to lend out my Combat/Megaforce RTL tape
and get all my friends into them.  Now they'll put out a video that I won't
hear about or see until weeks after its release.  But they really deserve
the fame and fortune, its just that ...

... most of the new songs just aren't that good - they just don't have that 
BITE.  I'll always consider RTL as the measuring stick for all of their works 
so its a tough act to follow.  Even their live show has lost some of its 
energy.  On their latest tour the crowd was mostly just into it for the new
songs and SANDMAN, letting the rest of the set languish while they sit in 
their seats.  The MOP and Justice shows that I saw were phenomenal.  You
could feel the energy and sweat in the air.  Back to the commercial-
accessible thing, most of its unlistenable to me so I wouldn't call it 
commercial or accessible, just not that good.  

But all in all, a group should be allowed to grow and mature.  You can't
stay  young, angry and aggressive forever.  

METALLICA STILL RULES !!!

                                                           - Don
From: WCHE@vm.poly.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "No Life 'til Leather" ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:57:50 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University

In article <LAVONIUS.92Jul25122641@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>
lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius) writes:
 
>It's their early demo, not an official record. Probably bootlegged in
>umpteen versions.
 
    I got a CD call 'No Life 'Till Power'... Is it the same as 'NLTL'?
Just curious... :)
 
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From: mdowning@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: re:garage days
Organization: Clark University
Date: 21 JUL 92 19:49:57 GMT

I sincerely and whole-heartedly thank you all (a little bit at least) very
very very very very very very very mucho for the Garage Days comments.

I think that I must go out and get it, ASAP.

Sky................................................

PS anyone not aware of what I am about to say, please read the following:

The b-side of Wherever I May Roam is the BALLSIEST version of Fade to Black
 LIVE ever known to mankind (Except for actually being there).  Hope to see ya at the music stores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: randyb@calera.com (Randy Bias)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Trivia
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:28:55 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Organization: Calera Recognition Systems

In article <1992Jul22.165951.8863@uoft02.utoledo.edu> chbaumga@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Chris Baumgartner) writes:
>: 
>: P.S. Trivia time:  who named MetallicA, and how did he come up with the name?
>    
>    It was Lars, he named if after a name that he and some friends were
>    going to use for a magazine, however he told his friend "Nah, that name
>    sucks" but used it for the band anyway.
>
>- Chris
From what I've heard/read it was a joint effort and was a takeoff of
"Alcoholica", a favorite drink of theirs made from Vodka and something else.

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