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From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone
Reply-To: petlock@turing.org
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:57:32 GMT

anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous) writes:

>A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
>Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
>location anonymous.

>Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>if she gets phone service, he'll find her.

>If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.

A friend of mine in another state has telephone service under an 
assumed name- I won't go into the whys and wherefores of this, just
what he did.  I'm not a lawyer so I can't give any opinion on the
legality/illegality of this tactic, but it worked for my friend.  When
he called for service, he told the rep his wallet had just been
stolen, that he didn't know his social security number, didn't
remember the name of the management company of the building he lived
in, was a student supported by his parents, etc.  He gave them an
assumed name and they set up the account without any question and did
not require a deposit.  Obviously, if you're setting up an account
under a new assumed name, answering 'no' to the question "Have you
ever had telephone service in your name before" would be appropriate
to the situation.  Your mileage may vary.  

(IMHO it's probably illegal to do this, but as long as you pay your
bill, who really gets hurt?)

-Tim Petlock
petlock@turing.org
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:03:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

[...]
>Caller-ID would work just fine, if the anti-privacy folks would get
>out of they way so I could get it.
[...]

If by "anti-privacy folks" you mean the phone companies that don't
want to offer blocking (and blocking-blocking) along with Caller-ID,
then I agree with you.

- Carl

-- 
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 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: seversoc@columbia.dsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER L SEVERSON)
Subject: privacy
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:19:51 GMT

I was wondering if any people out there had opinions about a privacy act 
that delt with ethics.  For example, if someone, for example a system 
administator, who has access to go anywhere he wants automatically have the 
right to do so.  Is it right???  Is it ethical???

Any responces would be ver appreciative!!!
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:23:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov18.192316.1451
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <9B4DuB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga) writes:
>anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous) writes:

>> A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
>> Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
>> location anonymous.

>> Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>> unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>> if she gets phone service, he'll find her.

>1) put the phone in somebody else's name
>2) Get an unlisted phone number and if the creep misuses his 
>access, have the woman write her (ex) husbands supervisor or the 
>president of the telco.  That will stop it *real* fast

In either case, if the husband abuses his access, make sure to send
copies of all corespondance to the Public Utilities Commission, who
love to hear about telco employees misbehaving.

A third alternative, which might be far less pratical than those
suggested here already, would be to move to another state.  If its one
served by another telco, it makes it harder for him to track her down,
and nearly impossible that he will ever find her.

I understand that this may be difficult or impossible, but I thought
I'd toss it out as an alternative to getting the phone in another
name.  (The other name should be a fake one, not that of a freind, and
it shouldn't be mothers name, or anything else obvious.)

Adam



Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all because of elections.  How true that is.
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:50:29 GMT

kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>The phone company apparently doesn't want to offer [blocking &
>block-blocking] because it would make it harder for Radio Shack (for
>example) to quietly collect phone numbers.

leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>You might want to check your facts. Acoording to all the discussions
>over on comp.dcom.telecom, the ability to block blocked numbers is a 
>*standard* part of the "call blocking" feature.

I'm sorry if my note was unclear. I meant that the phone company
doesn't want to offer any blocking scheme because such schemes make it
harder for Radio Shack (for example) to quietly collect phone numbers.

Only when blocking is required by the state do the phone companies
mention block-blocking.

- Carl
-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:35:58 GMT

A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
location anonymous.

Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
if she gets phone service, he'll find her.

If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:18:06 GMT

In article <44955@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous) writes:
>A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
>Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
>location anonymous.

First off, remind her to deal with the legal/moral/ethical dilemma of
absconding with her husband's baby (assuming he is the father).

>Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>if she gets phone service, he'll find her.
>
>If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.

One course of action would be to lie to the phone company about her name and
National ID Number (SSN).  Another would be to move in to a group house,
with the telephone in soebody else's name.  A third would be to get somebody
who has reasonable credit and trusts your friend to put the phone in his/her
name.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:26:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <BxqJHo.6np@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>
>The phone company apparently doesn't want to offer this because it
>would make it harder for Radio Shack (for example) to quietly collect
>phone numbers.
>

In areacode 516, Long Island, New York, and a few other parts of the
state a customer will be able to block any and all call identificaton
to stores such as RS, Pudgies, etc.  Caller ID becomes effective on
Monday, November 16, 1992 in a/c 516.

Dave

-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: delisle@eskimo.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: Even worse
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:17:37 GMT

	Another varient on this is the use of something called
along the lines of 'Pet Id Implants' which was a micro-device that is
implanted in a pet or live stock. It is a divice or chip about
the size of a grain of rice that can be coded then injected into
a (person) animal; to read the chip, a device is placed near the
subject and a raido pulse is sent out, the chip responds by ACKing
the number or code string encoded into it.   



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From: delisle@eskimo.com (Ben Delisle)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:51:32 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton) writes:
> The problem is that the husband knows many of the friends and relatives
> that are likely to receive the new number. He simply scans their bills 
> until he figures out where she is and then looks up the address from the
> connection data that us mere mortals never get to see. It is difficult
> for an institition to protect your records from the prying eyes of those
> who work there.
> 

	Another way, then, is to get an account with a cellular
provider that is non-Telco company, or differant than the land 
line provider that the husband works for, and still use an alias 
second party to purchace the service.
	In most areas there seems to be more than one provider 
of cellular service.  Furthermore; in my area there are a couple of
providers of landline phone service, allthough not in the same  
neighbourhood at once, she could move to an area with the differant 
company if they have the same setup. 
	Even though he still may be able to get a number through
his contacts,  and of monitering numbers that he may be watching,
it may provide an extra layer of protection of his
getting an address or a list of numbers that she has been calling.   
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From: kev@sol.acs.unt.edu (Kevin W. Mullet)
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at P
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:09:29 GMT

I just caught the tail end of this thread, so I don't know if someone has
already suggested this, but how about just getting a cellular phone?  Lots
of areas have vendors that will practically (or literally) give away a 
cellular phone in exchange for signing up for 1 year or two of service.

The woman in question could use a PO Box for the billing address, and it
wouldn't matter if her abusive husband got her number or not, since it
wouldn't be tied to a physical address.  

Also, I don't know about her area, but in the Dallas/Ft. Worth areas, lots
of folks get service from cellular companies that have a much large "local"
calling area than the local conventional carrier, so it actually ends
up being cheaper than a regular phone, if you make most of your calls
after normal business hours or on holidays, etc...

cheers,

-KwM-
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: n5gax@leo.unm.edu (Duke McMullan n5gax)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <phurley.78@tamu.edu> phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
>I have two phone lines--one for voice and one for my computer. As I was 
>sitting at my computer one night, the phone connected to it rang and I found 
>myself accosted by a local salesperson. Now, this phone line was added well 
>after my first line and the phone company graciously allowed me the option 
>of leaving the second phone line unlisted. This is handy since I have no 
>reason for anyone to call me on that line and I don't give out the number 
>nor have I written it down on any forms.

This is fairly easy to fix, from your end, and there are at least four
distinctly different solutions.

1)  Enable your modem's autoanswer function (Your modem _will_ autoanswer,
won't it?  Of course it will.) to take all calls on that line.  Live salesbugs
will get an earful of modem squeal, and recording "surveys" will get the same
thing if anyone ever gets around to listening to it.  Just make certain that
someone can't call in and get control over your computer.

2)  Put an answering machine on the line.  You could even find a dead number
and record the telco's "BuhBEEEblat!  I'm sorry, but you have reached a number
that is no longer in service . . . ."  Gets rid of nearly everyone.

3)  Disable the bell in the telephone.  That's easier than it sounds.  You'll
have to open the phone up, but all that takes is a vanilla screwdriver,
assuming that you have an old heavy-iron type telephone.  If you have one of
the more recent plastic-and-tin construction sets, it may be a bit more
difficult.  Assuming an older style of phone (still standard equipment, most
places), open it up, find the bell chimes, and follow the clapper between them
down to its base.  There you will find a coil of wire, with four (4) wires
leading from the coil to the block with all the screws on it.  Unscrew any one
of these, remove the wire and wrap tape around the spade lug on the end of the
wire.  Also, mark the screw so you can reconnect it when the spirit moves you
so.  Reassemble.  Done.   In the Long Ago of the World, I installed a disable
switch on my phone.  It worked fine, but I tended to forget when I'd turned it
off, and started missing calls.  I finally quit using it.  This shouldn't be a
problem if you plan not to accept calls on that line.

4)  Unplug the bloody telephone.  You're only using that line for a
direct-connect modem, aren't you?  Just unplug the phone.  If you decide _you_
want to use the phone, just plug it back in.


Solution 4) is the simplest.   KISS.  ;^)


						d
-- 
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			       -- From a Chinese Zodiac restaurant placemat
      Duke McMullan n5gax nss13429r phon505-255-4642 ee5391aa@leo.unm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:36:35 GMT

[The use of "Radio Shack" here is hypothetical. I don't know that
Radio Shack is (yet) using Caller-ID.]

Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

[...]
>If you don't want Radio Shack to have your phone number, choose not
>to call them.
[...]

That is one way to do things. A better way, I believe, is for me to
call them with my number blocked and for them to either accept the
call or reject it. If they reject it, I can either not call them or
unblock my number and call them back.

I believe this is a better scheme because it allows Radio Shack and me
to negotiate the terms of our information exchange. Radio Shack
benefits from my business. I benefit by keeping my phone number
out a possible telemarkter's list.

- Carl
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From: kubo@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at P
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov20.035801.17625
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

Let's assume the worst case :
  1) the husband has access to all phone company records
  2) his friends at the phone company can get the relevant
     records for him, even if he is fired or his employer
     is warned of the problem
  3) he is sufficiently abusive that even a restraining 
     order might not provide sufficient security once
     he learns her whereabouts

Under these circumstances, the only way I can see for the
woman to obtain phone service without compromising her 
security, is to purchase a voice mailbox at a private
answering service not affiliated with the phone company.  
Preferably one which receives thousands of calls a day.  
In case the phone records available to her husband also
include records of all incoming calls and all digits dialed
in the first N seconds of each outgoing call, then she should
retreive all her messages from random payphones, and get the 
type of service where the mailbox is accessed by going through
a human operator rather than dialing any codes.

-Tal   kubo@math.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: stopping phone woes
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:41:54 GMT

grady@public.BTR.COM ( ) writes:
>My little Promate phone screener works quite
>well; it cost about $60 from Danmark a year or so ago.
>
>It has stopped all solicitation calls dead in their
>tracks.
>
>It uses a four-digit code that must be entered after
>a voice prompt to make your phone ring.

Does anyone know if these handy little devices are available in Canada, and if
so where I can purchase one in the Toronto area? 

Email would be appreciated...

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Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:54:50 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
	<1ell7mINN2rf@nigel.msen.com>

idea of the day:
go to ttore
get an id (supply fake info)
walk around
let them track your habits
leave
go back later
get a new id (duh, i'm sorry, i forgot my old one at home...)
	ideally, have some whiny kid with you saying "mom, let's get
	the 6 rack changer one" or whatever the hell they sell at this
	place
when inside, switch id's when you go to new places
i wonder if they've got the database linked to tell you that you've
never enterred the store
From: Mark.Kraml@f250.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Mark Kraml)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:25:46 GMT

Hello Anonymous!

Monday November 16 1992, Anonymous writes to All:

 A> From: anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous)
 A> Newsgroups: alt.privacy
 A> Subject: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
 A> @Message-ID: <44955@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>
 A> Date: 16 Nov 92 22:35:58 GMT

 A> A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
 A> Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
 A> location anonymous.

 A> Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
 A> unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
 A> if she gets phone service, he'll find her.

 A> If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.

get the telephone under a false name or let somebody else call for the
telephone.

Mark
From: greg%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Random phone number harassment
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:42:28 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!greg
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:

> In article <phurley.78@tamu.edu> phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
> >I just had something annoying happen which I suspect cannot be controlled or
> >avoided. Maybe someone out there has some thoughts.
> >
> >I was therefore very curious to find out where the salesman got the number 
> >and found out that they were sequencially calling all numbers in town. They 
> >offered to remove the number from their list for which I was grateful. Only 
> >later did I realize that they *still* have my unlisted number. It's the one 
> >between 123-4566 and 123-4568 which is left off the list BECAUSE ITS 
> >UNLISTED. I supposed caller ID is supposed to help one avoid this problem?
> >
> 
> CallerID won't help much in this scenario since the salesman admitted
> that he was sequencially calling all numbers.  This happens a lot with
> computerized calls and is sometimes known as "war dialing."
> 
I'm not sure but I heard a while back that in some areas, telephone solicitors
are not legally permitted to call sequentially.

Something to look into...



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From: sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein)
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:19:58 GMT

In article <44955@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> anonymous@anonymous (Anonymous) writes:
>A friend is leaving her husband, and moving into a new place.
>Has kids (1 baby), so can't stay in a shelter.  Wants to keep
>location anonymous.
>
>Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
>unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
>if she gets phone service, he'll find her.
>
>If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.


She can try to get the phone number in someone else's name.

Also, get caller I.D.  Notify husband's boss of situation (better yet,
notify phone companies Corporate Security.  If husband abuses position
and tries to find out her number, Corporate Security people would be sure
it doesn't happen again.

				Steve
				
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From: johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,soc.women
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.Bxx6JE.CFq
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

olga from the volga (olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM) wrote:
: 
: 1) put the phone in somebody else's name
: 
: 2) Get an unlisted phone number and if the creep misuses his 
: access, have the woman write her (ex) husbands supervisor or the 
: president of the telco.  That will stop it *real* fast
:------------------------
The problem is that the husband knows many of the friends and relatives
that are likely to receive the new number. He simply scans their bills 
until he figures out where she is and then looks up the address from the
connection data that us mere mortals never get to see. It is difficult
for an institition to protect your records from the prying eyes of those
who work there.

If he really is a threat then get a restraining order forbidding contact
and have it include orders to the phone co. ordering them to prevent him
from accessing any records in order to locate her. It puts them on notice 
that they will be sued if something bad happens.


John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne

 
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