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From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: Re: New systems MacII LC or Falcon
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:19:33 GMT

In article <1!!z_da@rpi.edu> oyakea@rs6210.ecs.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:
[...stuff deleted]
>the options are a) A Mac II LC or b) The Atari Falcon.
[...stuff deleted]

Well, my somewhat limited experience with Ataris hints at the following
two differences:

Atari software tends to be cheaper, but it seems to be less standardized
in GUI-terms. I haven't used the Atari enough to comment on stability or
quality of the available apps.

The Mega ST screens were bad quality, they tended to die after about a
year of regular use (campus experience). It would be worth checking
whether Atari has changed to another supplier with the Falcon.
Mac Screens (although sometimes awfully small :-)) generally tend to be
of a much better quality.
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From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:42:07 GMT
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University

What can I advocate on this group? :-)

Imran
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: is this a place to flame ?!?
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:32:06 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Organization: Organization?  We don't need no steenking organization!
Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will
            disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or
            my mission.


In article <lba47nINN6l6@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>,
Citizen werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes :
[ notes on his new PB 100... ]
>	and why in the world ever did they make a machine with such a
>	slow chip ?!?  but, hey, I knew what I was getting before I
>	bought in that department...  but it's such a waste and shame...

  Ya, why didn't they put a RS/6000 chip in it, or a SPARC chip?  Sheessh,
this entire line of Motorola chips is just to slow...

  :)

  Er, how about they put the 16mhz 68000 in there because it's cheap, low
power, and this is a bottom line portable we're talking about.  You can't
put in a '020 since Apple has axed it finally and if you put a '030 in a
PB 100, you have a PB 140/145.

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|      J. Taggart Gorman Jr.     |     you wouldn't be human - you'd be a
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From: jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: FORTRAN on MAC
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:50:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin

> MK> == Margaret Keller <keller@oasys.dt.navy.mil> 
> 
>  MK> Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but I have yet to
>  MK> run across a version of fortran for the MAC that doesn't require
>  MK> super machine.
> 
Maybe we're not talking about the same level of programing, but I have been
using Language Systems FORTRAN for years.  Initially it ran on a bare-bones SE,
although now its on an accelerated IIci (a good machine, but not a super
machine).  I have a technician writing code for me on a Mac Plus, using MPW and
this FORTRAN!

Of course my programs, typically run less than several hundred lines of code.

John Moulder (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin
From: sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Performa prices
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:26:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <1992Sep15.230354.18697@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>,
jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) wrote:
> 
> I have found from
> PERSONAL experience that a 486 is required to get any work done under
> Windows without feeling hindered to some degree by the lack of interface
> speed (even then don't run AutoCAD for Windows or you will think that
> someone sold you an 8088 with no math chip).
> 
> [I am currently writing this on a Quadra (though I find my SE/30 quite
> usable).  It is a expensive beast, BUT it's performance is currently
> unparalled on the PC front.]

Well, with MS-Dos computers, you need to insure that the system you put
together is of consistent performance.  For instance, recently at where I
work they bought a large number of 486/33 computers with 4 MB ram and the
slowest video cards in the industry.  Result?  A super number cruncher that
can barely handle screen updates in MS-Windows.

On the other hand, a decent 386/25 (4 mb RAM, fast video card, fast hard
drive) can run Windows faster than the Mac IIsi sitting on my desk no
problem.  Unfortunately, in the competitive marketplace, people have a
tendancy to cut where they can, resulting in systems that perform
considerably slower in Windows than they should (Gateway, Dell, and
CompuAdd strike me as manufacturers who DON'T do this).  Apple also has a
tendancy to cut where they can -- specifically (at least in the past) in
monitors and power supplies.

______________________________________________________________________________
                                        |    jay@seaspray.uacn.alaska.edu
Jay C. Beavers                          |    sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu
University of Alaska Computer Network   |    sxjcb@alaska.bitnet
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Subject: Re: New systems MacII LC or Falcon
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:26:32 GMT

In article <1!!z_da@rpi.edu> oyakea@rs6210.ecs.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:

>I have decided to grace this News group with my prescence and transfer
>my thoughts to yours. My problem is simple; I want to buy a new
>computer and the options are a) A Mac II LC or b) The Atari Falcon.
>The Falcon is similar to a IILc in features and also includes a 56001
>DSP, Midi ports, 16 bit CD capable sound (<44khz), Genlock support,
>68882 co-pro, SCSI II, Apple talk lan, and a built in sampler. 

Hmmmm...my suggestion is based on product support rather than hardware
comparison.  There has been precious little support for the Ataris
that we bought for cheap 68000 machines back in the late 80's.  From
what people tell me Atari has pretty much died in the states while
remaining strong in Europe.

>I provided the above info for those who don't know about the system.
>Please give constructive criticism to the issue I have raised. I would
>like to use my system as for music, dtp, vt-100 emulation, games and
>entertainment, word processing and programming.

Hmmmm...a NeXT (if you don't mind B/W) is a cheap alternative with
many of the same features.  An Amiga if you really are interested in
doing video (due to the nature of the beast) but it is much less
capable when it comes to music (no DSP).

Overall if you like the Mac and can afford it I would suggest that
since as a product it should be reasonably well supported for years to
come.  The NeXT is still expanding and should also be well supported.
The Amiga in the video arena will be hard to beat and runs real well
as a Mac (Sys 7 in fact but with no color quickdraw since it uses 128K
ROMS).  Suitible for dtp, vt-100, wp and programming.  Amigas also
tend to do well in the game arena ;-) and while not DSP/CD quality
Amiga sound isn't too shabby for what they do have...MIDI did start
weak but I think there are finally decent MIDI product for the Amiga.

>By: A user alone

Me?  I have a Quadra 700 on my desk and Amiga at home running sys
6.0.3...best of both worlds (except my Quadra has too little memory 4
megs blah).

--
Nigel Tzeng
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From: keller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Margaret Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: FORTRAN on MAC
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: keller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Margaret Keller)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but I have yet to run
across a version of fortran for the MAC that doesn't require super machine.
In all other respects I love, adore, and delight in one of the friendliest
machines on earth.

				       Meg Keller
				       keller@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm)
Subject: Performa prices
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:15:40 GMT


The recent announcements state that the Performa series is expected to
cost in the range $1200 (ClassicII/P200) to $2500 (P600). How do they
compare in the US, for example to the existing Mac line and to the
MessDos computers? I mean, Apple promised to get competitive price/
performance with the latter. Do they?

This question is bound to appear sooner or later, and I am curious, and
there is a risk for flames, so why not ask in c.s.m.advocacy?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Mouse-pointer dissapears on powerbooks. Comments?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:25:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

I am neutral in the Mac vs. XXX arguments. I have a Mac I use for MIDI
stuff and a Sun SS2 for nearly everything else. 

I was a bit intrigued by the idea of the Powerbook and so went to 
a local store to check it out. I touched the trackball and the mouse 
pointer dissappeared. It was all the effort I could muster to keep 
track of the pointer. I thought, "Whew. Sure do feel sorry for people 
who ordered one of these without using one first." 

Is this in fact turning out to be a problem/annoyance? Or do you get used to it 
quickly and not notice? 

-cornhead
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot)
Subject: Re: 128K Fish Tank (It always was...)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.155851.475@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons) writes:
>
>Okay, okay, the requests for how to turn a 128K Mac into a fish
>tank have been pouring in, so I'll post, rahter than email to all
>who have asked...
>Now, to give credit where credit is due, I got these instructions from
>Michael Schechter about a year or so ago, when I asked what could be
>done with a 128K Mac.  I *HAVE NOT TRIED THEM* so your mileage will
>*certainly* vary from mine (since I have no mileage...).  I just
>haven't had time to do the fish-tank thing yet.
>Have fun (and thanks to Michael!!)!

I assume that those who post to this board already know this, but Andy
Ihnatko posted a similar set of instructions to the Ziffnet/Mac section of
Compuserve a few months ago.  The instructions, in Microsoft Word format,
differ from Michael Schechter's in that the analog board is tossed out with
the rest of the garbage inside to make room for a bigger tank.  While I
like the technical flair with which Michael Schechter's adaptations are
made, Ihnatko's are easier to follow for the non-technician Macquarium
owner.  Plus they're much longer and funnier.

The instructions are available for anonymous ftp from sumex-aim, in the
(I think) info-mac/report directory, under the name of macquarium.hqx.

Have fun.

(and instantaneously a standards war results over whose Macquarium is
the "true" Macquarium; if Apple is listening, perhaps its standards people
would like to comment? :) )

tj (toj8j@fermi.clas.virginia.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Subject: Re: New systems MacII LC or Falcon
Reply-To: bnrmtl!groleau@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:19:38 GMT

In article <1!!z_da@rpi.edu>, oyakea@rs6210.ecs.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:
|>  I have decided to grace this News group with my prescence and transfer my 
|> thoughts to yours. My problem is simple; I want to buy a new computer and 
|> the options are a) A Mac II LC or b) The Atari Falcon.
|> The Falcon is similar to a IILc in features and also includes a 56001 DSP,
|> Midi ports, 16 bit CD capable sound (<44khz), Genlock support, 68882 co-pro,
|> SCSI II, Apple talk lan, and  a built in sampler. I provided the above info for those who don't know about the system. Please give constructive criticism to  the issue I have raised. I would like to use my system as for music, dtp,
|> vt-100 emulation, games and entertainment, word processing and programming.
|> 

	If you are willing to consider vaporware such as the Falcon, you 
might as well wait until Christmas when Commodore will release a new middle-
line Amiga based on the '020 or '030 (processors can be replaced).  To get
a feeling of the new machines, check comp.sys.amiga.advocacy (the real
advocacy newsgroup! ;-) ) where the new high end Amiga 4000 is described in
great detail.

	A DSP add-on is also expected from Commodore by Christmas.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: WOW!
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:23:29 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.214758.3134@email.tuwien.ac.at>, purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Purgathofer) writes:
|> From: purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Purgathofer)
|> Subject: WOW!
|> Date: 14 Sep 92 21:47:58 GMT
|> 
|> So there it is! Maybe this is even the first posting in this newsgroup!!!
|> 
|> If so, this would be an adequate note:
|> 
|> "Ok, I admit, the macintosh has the most irritating, inconsistent,
|> scrumbled user interface of all computer. Except all others."  (Tog) 
|> 
|> (Well, not in exactly this words, but i have the reference at home, and
|> this is a unique moment....)

I believe that that was a paraphrase of Abraham Lincoln who said
(more or less)
Democracy is the worst possible form of government except for all the others.

-- 
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

	...Wex
From: dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: 128K Fish Tank (It always was...)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:47:30 GMT
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory

You should really take a look at the macquarium doc.  It is hilarious
and much more detailed than these instructions.  This can be found on
sumex and mac.archive.
      Peace,
          dNb



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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: is this a place to flame ?!?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:23:51 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


	well, I just received and unpacked this PowerBook 100 2/20
	and couldn't find any mention of TuneUp anywhere; not in the
	system installed in the hard disk, not on the floppies, not
	in the documentation, not even a flyer nor a postcard to send
	somewhere at Apple ....

	now, personally, I would like to have someone's nuts sqashed at
	Apple for setting customers up for looming self-destruction
	(when the disappearing folder bug strikes).....

	ah, I already feel better (but expect some more when I get
	around to getting upset that there is no SCSI-docking cable
	included and that our university MicroCenter, which claimed
	having sold more Macs than anyone for some years, requires
	a special order wait time of 4 weeks or longer to get one of
	those cables....)

	and why in the world ever did they make a machine with such a
	slow chip ?!?  but, hey, I knew what I was getting before I
	bought in that department...  but it's such a waste and shame...
-- 
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From: Kevin.Lesniewicz@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Kevin Lesniewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Purpose of this NG
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:17:43 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Question: Isn't the purpose of this newsgroup to provide a forum for the
advocay of the Macintosh vs. other platforms? 
 
I was just curious--it didn't seem to be getting off on the right foot from
the postings I had been receiving.

kevin.  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: oyakea@rs6210.ecs.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: New systems MacII LC or Falcon
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:25:30 GMT

 I have decided to grace this News group with my prescence and transfer my 
thoughts to yours. My problem is simple; I want to buy a new computer and 
the options are a) A Mac II LC or b) The Atari Falcon.
The Falcon is similar to a IILc in features and also includes a 56001 DSP,
Midi ports, 16 bit CD capable sound (<44khz), Genlock support, 68882 co-pro,
SCSI II, Apple talk lan, and  a built in sampler. I provided the above info for those who don't know about the system. Please give constructive criticism to  the issue I have raised. I would like to use my system as for music, dtp,
vt-100 emulation, games and entertainment, word processing and programming.

By: A user alone
  

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.editors
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: good vi editor for the mac
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Sep5.221526.10841@uc.msc.edu> <Bu94Kw.4Mz@csn.org>
	<D88-JWA.92Sep8123551@black.nada.kth.se>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:55:14 GMT

JW> == Jon W{tte <d88-jwa@black.nada.kth.se> 

 >> To Tom:  Just what can't you do in MSWord 5.0 that you can do in emacs?

 JW> Keyboard macros
 JW> Toggle words
 JW> Execute other program
 JW> Towers of Hanoi (OK, OK)

Read news, send/read email, do blinking-brace matching, do syntax-based
indentation...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: nk4v@poe.acc.virginia.edu (Naohiro  Koshiya)
Subject: Generating PostScript file from apps?
Reply-To: koshiya@virginia.edu
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:13:30 GMT

Hi there,

It might be well known but how do you generate PS file from
applications?  Is there any common way or shortcut keys to do it?

I would appreciate it if you would take your time to show me the way.
Thank you,

Naohiro
koshiya@virginia.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac:304 comp.sys.mac.misc:16444
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Spell Checked Wordperfect Docs Still Imported WITH Errors in Quark
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:18:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

NEW STRANGE PROBLEMS FROM THE WORLD OF MAC

As if the weird modem and SCSI port questions were not enough, here is
another weird problem.

I have Wordperfect 2.0.4 running on a IIsi (works fine) and Quark (a good
product from a lousy company) running on a IIfx.  I type letters on the IIsi
and save them to the IIfx [running System 7 on both].  My letterheads are
Quark templates so I open them, import the WP file, and print from the
IIfx.

A couple of times I noticed that even though I had spell checked my docs in
WP they printed with errors in Quark.  Here is what happens.  Let us say I
come across a spelling mistake, WP offers a replacement, I double click
the correct word, it is replaced in the document, and when all is checked
and done, I save the file.  When I Get Text in Quark BOTH the incorrect and
the correct word show up and are printed.  eg

This is spalling mistake	

[after spell checking, correcting, saving opens in Quark Express with Get
Text as:]

This is a spellingspalling mistake


I thought Wordperfect was writing both words in the file but when I
reopen the document in Wordperfect I just see the correct sentence.

This is a spelling mistake

What is going on!?  Of course I will call Wordperfect Tech Support,
probably the greatest in the World for any product/industry, and of course
I do not want to spend $25 to just ASK Quark Tech Support [and they keep
the money whether they can solve the problem or not].

Imran Anwar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: pjl@sparc10.cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas)
Subject: Re: Generating PostScript file from apps?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:13:39 GMT

In <NK4V.92Sep11001330@poe.acc.virginia.edu> nk4v@poe.acc.virginia.edu (Naohiro  Koshiya) writes:

>Hi there,

>It might be well known but how do you generate PS file from
>applications?  Is there any common way or shortcut keys to do it?

>I would appreciate it if you would take your time to show me the way.
>Thank you,

*****>	If I had a dime for every time someone asked this....

	1. Get System 7; there's an option right in the print dialog box.

	2. For System 6: Immediately after clicking Print, type command-K.
-- 
	- Paul J. Lucas				University of Illinois	
	  AT&T Bell Laboratories		at Urbana-Champaign
	  Naperville, IL			pjl@cs.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac:277 comp.sys.mac.comm:8744 comp.sys.mac.hardware:16664
From: chris@Shiva.COM (Chris Outzen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Shiva 9600 v.32 NetModem needs fixed! Help!
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:15:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <1992Sep4.065714.2381@lna.oz.au> randy@lna.oz.au (Randolph CHRISTOPHERS) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.222807.13917@sequent.com> dwightj@sequent.com (Dwight Johnson) writes:
>>I need to know how to fix our NetModem.  Shiva wants over $250 to even
>>look at it.  I think it should be a one or two component replace job.
>>
>>.....  I checked to 7805 chip inside.  It maintains 25VDC
>>input and 5VDC output even after the modem dies.  It is really hot though.
>>
>Hooly dooly, thats a 20V difference. I don't think 7805's are meant for
>that sort of torture (usually a DC input of less than 10V is OK). Little 
>wonder its cooking.
>
>Randy.

There most be something wrong with your wall-mount transformer.  It should
have an output of 9V AC.  This 9V AC is put through a full-wave rectifer and
then used as the input to the voltage regulator.  If you are see 20V DC at the
input something is wrong.  You should check the output of the wall-mount.
F.Y.I. The regulator input should be somewhere about 9-10V DC depending on the
line voltage.

Chris Outzen
Manager Hardware Development
Shiva Corp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.editors