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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: routing from St. Joseph, Missouri to Iowa City, Iowa wanted
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:36:10 GMT

I know i can take US 36 east to hamilton, I-35 north to Des Moines,
and I-80 east to iowa city, but i'm not particularly interested in
another boring day on the interstate.  Anybody got any suggestions.

The maps show US 136 or Missouri 6 over to US 63 and then north to 
Ottumwa and then possibly iowa 149, 22, and 1 on into iowa city.

Any local knowledge or advice would be appreciated.
Please respond by mail as this probably isn't of general interest

Thanks.
-- 

charlie shub  cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU      -or-        (719) 593-3492     
  or even  cdash@colospgs (BITNET)  if the above address won't work
From: yyeung@cory.berkeley.edu (Andy Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Question on Yosemite National Park...
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:01:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Originator: yyeung@cory.Berkeley.EDU

Howdy,
	I plan to bring my aunts and cousin to Yosemite sometime in a 
week or so.  However, all the campsites or cabins have already been 
all sold out as usual. 

	So, I was wondering...

	Is it possible that we camp outside the Yosemite Park area at 
night?  (pick anywhere we want?!)  I know supposedly they don't let 
people set up any tents inside the National Park, except in those assigned
campgrounds they have.

	Any suggestions on where might be a good place?

	I have been to Yosemite only once myself almost 5 years ago, so
I am not that familiar...  Any comments or suggestions will be welcome!

	Many thanks in advance.

andy
Newsgroups: rec.travel,uiuc.general
From: grout@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout)
Subject: Re: Help!!! Directions needed to Indiana Dunes 
Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:56:03 GMT

thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:

>It is east of Chicago, not south.

>57 north to Chicago.  94 east to Chesterton, IN (my home town :^>).

If you want the shortest route, you should take I-57 North to I-80
East to I-94 East... this does cost some money (you are on the
Tri-State Tollway on I-80 between the merge with I-294 and the merge
with I-94), but taking I-57 north to I-94 requires you to go north up
into the city of Chicago and come back south again on the Calumet Expy
(I-94)... I wouldn't bother.

--
John R. Grout			| INTERNET: j-grout@uiuc.edu
From: LRL@psuvm.psu.edu (Linda Littleton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Adirondacks or New England
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:15:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

My husband and I are planning a one week vacation in early August and
are trying to decide between the Adirondacks and New England (Vermont,
New Hampshire, and possibly Maine).  Can anyone compare the two
possibilities for us?

My impression is that the Adirondacks are more scenic and remote,
probably a better choice for hiking, and that New England is more quaint
but crowded, a better choice for restaurants and strolling through
interesting towns.  Is there any truth to these impressions?  We mainly
want to hike, but also want to break up the hikes with visits to town
and meals out.

Are there things to do in the Adirondacks other than hike?  Are there
beautiful, remote places to hike in New England?  Which area has more
water (for swimming in (will it be warm enough?), hiking by, and maybe
canoeing)?

Does anyone have specific suggestions of places to go on either of these
trips?  We're mainly interested in day hikes and short (2-3 day)
backpacking trips with spectacular scenery and are also interested in
quaint towns, good inexpensive restaurants, interesting back roads, and
swimable lakes.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.forsale
From: dma@athena.mit.edu (Donny (Chung) Ma)
Subject: Boston -> Minneapolis -> San Jose ; 1 way air ticket $149 OBO
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:41:45 GMT

      FOR SALE: Boston -> Minneapolis -> San Jose  One Way 8/21/92  $149

I have a one way plane ticket that I can't use (I used half of the round trip)
and would like to sell.

  Friday 8/21/92:

	Depart            Time        Arrive       Time
        ======            ====        ======       ====
        Boston            8:20am      Minneapolis  10:27 am
        Minneapolis       11:35am     San Jose     1:23 pm


If interested, please call Donny at 914-767-7223 or reply to 
dma@athena.mit.edu (I don't check my email often, though).
From: jsulliva@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Montreal Info requested
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:19:29 GMT
Reply-To: jsulliva@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA


I am planning to vist Montreal, Canada during the first week of Sept.
and would be interested in any info about the city that anyone would
like to share. I'm particularly interested in recommendations on places
to stay, restaurants, things not to miss and things to avoid. I plan on
driving up from the states with a friend and possibly bringing along our
bikes. I would also like to know if we need to be concerned about crime
or if there are parts of the city to stay away from.

Thanks!


Jeff Sullivan | Computervision/Prime | jsulliva@cvbnet.Prime.COM
CADDS R&D     | Bedford, MA    01730 | sun!cvbnet!jsulliva
From: klomp@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Ernst Klomp)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Scotland ideas
Summary: Scotland
Keywords: Scotland
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:37:59 GMT
Organization: SERI-CEN Network Services, Philips C&P, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I'm planning to go to Scotland this year, all the way up to the 
Highlands. 
Are there any places of special interest (regarding nature or
scenic areas).
How about finding a bed over there (Bed & Breakfast or Hotel).

--
Ernst Klomp					ernst@atehv.bso.nl
BSO/AT Eindhoven B.V.				klomp@tokyo.sce.philips.nl
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cbraun@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Corinne Braun)
Subject: Re: Black Death?? Lake Tahoe??
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:11:45 GMT

In fact the "black death" is considered to have been Bubonic Plague,
according to all the History of Medicine and Public Health coursework
and reading material that I have studied. I will try to look up some
references tomorrow when I'm not so tired, if there is interest.

Corinne
cbraun@gnu.ai.mit.edu



Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: helen@wufpack.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Helen Spinks)
Subject: St. Lucia info
Reply-To: helen@b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:28:02 GMT

I'm looking for good/bad feedback on St. Lucia,
particularly info on the Couples Resort.  Any
suggestions on activities, restaurants is also
welcome.

Thanks!

Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:18:18 -0400 
From: John Ambroziak <ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Yellowstone/Tetons info please

I'm thinking of going to these national parks in early September.  Could
someone please tell me what the weather is like then and if the parks
are still "in full swing" at this time.  I believe some of the
facilities begin closing in the fall.  Also, could you recommend any
nice hotels/lodges/cabins near the parks which you may have stayed at? 
I'm thinking in terms of a few days in each park, but a week could be
spent at one really beautiful and relaxing place.

Please e-mail me.

Thanks, John

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: flying with a bike
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:35:25 GMT

I posted this on rec.bicycles a while ago, and thought I'd
get some input here. I am flying SFO -> Boston in Sept and
wanted to bring my Mtn Bike. UAL charges (as do all other
airlines) $45 each way. YUK ! I was told if I join the US
Cycling Federation and attend a race near the time and location
of my trip, I can bring the bike for free. BUT only if
the flight cost $250 or more. I paid $202 for my flight.

Any Ideas. It is not worth it to me to pay $90 to have my bike
on vacation, but I'd love to have it along. IF anyone knows
anyway to get around this I'd sure like to know.

     Thanks, Marcus
From: cindyr@mickey.sharebase.com (Cindy Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ticket needed, SJO/SFO-->PORTLAND (1 way)
Keywords: SJO, SFO, Portland
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:53:20 GMT
Reply-To: cindyr@mickey.sharebase.com ()
Distribution: ca
Organization: NCR ShareBae, San Jose

I need to travel one way from either San Jose or San Francisco to
Portland around Friday, August 14. I can be flexible in terms of
flight time and somewhat flexible with the date. All major airlines
say $260 (or thereabouts). Anyone know of a way to get a better deal?

Please e-mail to cindyr@mickey.sharebase.com.
Thanks in advance.
cindy (work phone 408-369-5683)
Xref: sparky rec.travel:10565 rec.travel.air:3413
From: mingy@gnu.ecn.purdue.edu (Minerva Ming-Yee Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: AE Continental Coupon using on US Air?
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:32:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I remembered some weeks ago someone was asking the
code for using AE Continental Coupons on US Air
travel.  Is this option still available today?
If so, does anyone on the net know the code to
be used in booking thru travel agents?

Thanks very much,
Minerva
Xref: sparky rec.travel:10482 soc.couples:3419
From: karlab@usul.Eng.Sun.COM (Karla Black)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.couples
Subject: GETAWAY
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:57:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: usul
Keywords: pajaro,beachfront,Monterey,getaway


	PAJARO DUNES.......Monterey Bay


        1 Bedroom Oceanfront Condo

        $185 / weekend

        $475 / week

        This is the best location.  The patio

        doors open up right in front of the beach.

        This is the downstairs unit.  All amenities!


       *****Send email for more information OR call (408) 358-3201
       for reservations**** JUST USE THIS EMAIL AS A REFERENCE!


Pajaro Dunes......

        is located four miles west of Highway 1 at Watsonville between
Monterey and Santa Cruz.  Convenient airports at Monterey, San Jose,
Oakland and San Francisco.  Fly-in guests use Watsonville airport, about
ten minutes from the Dunes and call the gatehouse for complimentary
transportation.

        20 tennis courts are a short walk away.  11 of the world's
greatest golf courses are a short drive away.
        There are three tennis complexes at Pajaro Dunes and a pro
shop.  The teaching pro will help improve your game.  There are miles of
bicycle paths plus a large athletic field, basketball and volleyball
courts.  The area is a literal paradise for golfers: after you play
Spyglass, Del Monte, Pebble Beach, Cypress and Monterey Peninsula, you
still have six other major course to enjoy---including one only minutes
away.

        This unit is on the lower floor and has one bedroom.  It is
only for 2 persons.  Weekend starts on Friday evening and departs
on Sunday.  Week starts Sunday evening and departs on Friday.  There
is a washer and dryer, full kitchen, color television, fireplace,
microwave, linens, dishes etc.....

        In addition deep sea fishing is offered next door at the Moss
Landing harbor.  Yet within a few minutes drive there are many historic
sights worth seeing and many art galleries and restaurants worth your
time.

        +Much more.....

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: World Airline Rankings
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:09:47 GMT

			RANKING OF AIRLINES

  Is anyone aware of any survey of world airlines with rankings based
on their level of service with inputs from travellers, travel agents etc ?     I do read "Air Transport World" regularly but have never seen such a survey    there. Can anyone give a reference for such a survey in the recent past?
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:25:56 GMT
Subject: interesting roads/drives, going NJ to SF?
Organization: Princeton University
X-Subliminal-Message: You can quit reading news anytime you want.

Hello --

Very soon I'm going to be leaving on a trip, going cross-country from
Princeton, NJ to (probably) San Francisco, perhaps Seattle.  It's going to
be a leisurely trip, 2 weeks or so, and I'm looking for interesting roads
along the way.  Tentative itinerary is:

Princeton -> DC
DC -> St. Louis
    -- along the Blue Ridge Parkway, perhaps detour down to Great Smoky Mtn.
       Nat'l Park and Tennessee.
St. Louis -> Colorado Springs
    -- (is there anything interesting at all along this trip?  This may be
       a fast haul.)
Colorado Springs -> northern Utah
    -- maybe pass through southern Utah first
Utah -> SF or Seattle
    -- route undetermined

I'd like suggestions for interesting roads to follow (I'd like to avoid the
interstates) and perhaps less obvious places to visit (the more obvious ones
like Nat'l Parks I can get from my road map).

Anyone know interesting roads passing through Nevada?  Colorado?  Wyoming?
Utah?



Thanks much.

ben
--

Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
From: jcf@nmitd4.sr.hp.com (Jim Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:43:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Oregon, Washington, Victoria recommendations
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.travel

> In rec.travel, pasturel@albi.EBay.Sun.Com (Pierre Pasturel) writes:
>
>   p.s. I have heard that getting on the ferry from Port Angeles (sp?)
>   to Victoria is difficult and crowded. Any pointers on how to make
>   this as easy as possible? I will be there at the end of July.


I would recommend taking the ferry from Anacortes and not from Port Angeles.
The San Juan Islands are very beautiful.  From Victoria you might want to 
take the Canadian Ferry system to Vancouver and visit Stanley Park.

Have a good trip.

Jim
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Campgrounds in the USA, other than KOA?
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.145953.13384@news.eng.convex.com>, newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
> rcronh@wsres1.info.win.tuesday.nl (Ron Helwig) asks:
> 
> >> In August, I will be traveling with a motorhome through parts of 
> >> California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada.

> you can contact each park directly, many of the nps campgrounds have
> a reservation system available through ticketron.  you might be able to
> just contact the south west regional office of the national park service,
> i believe they are in phoenix.

US National Forests and Bureau of Land Management lands occur more 
frequently than Parks if one is just looking for a place to pull over 
for the night.  The major National Park campgrounds are usually booked up
months in advance, but the National Forest and BLM ones are less
popular and are usually first-come-first-served. They can be
lacking in amenities, including water in the desert ones.

The difference between Parks, Forests, and BLM land is that the
latter two are much more open to exploitation by loggers, miners,
car campers.  In California there are also a great many state parks,
but their campgrounds are sometimes also booked up in advance.



------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Reece		
Not an Intel spokesman  
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: G0900@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Greece where to stay?
Organization: CSU
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:07:57 GMT

When looking for a place to stay in Greece, make sure you check with
your travel agent for hotels that are participating in what is called the
"Summer Celebration" I have just returned from Greece and stayed in the
Royal Olympic Hotel for $68 a day including breakfast and taxes.
This was a nice hotel, had a pool, sauna, air conditioning, full bathroom,
balcony.  There is a dining room in the hotel along with shops in and near
the hotel.  When I was traveling I also stayed at the Grand Hotel near
Omoina Square.  This hotel was not as fancy but it was nice and when you
do not plan to stay in the hotel much it was fine. If you want further
information feel free to write to me.  I will send the addresses of both
hotels.
What do you have planned to do in Greece? Where will you be staying?
 
Katherine Pasalis  G0900 at CSUOHIO  or G0900.VMCMS.CSUOHIO.EDU
From: kinch@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kinch Malapitan)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:46:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Campgrounds in the USA, other than KOA?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.travel

FYI: In California, call MYSTIX at 1-800-444-7275 to make reservations in the
     parks...

Xref: sparky rec.travel:10583 rec.travel.air:3426
From: chucker@bnr.ca (Ron Mcewen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Info on Indonesia
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:56:37 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada

In article <92205.085700JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu> JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>My friend is leaving this weekend for Indonesia.  She is requesting information
>on Borobudor (Island of Java) and places to stay in Bali.  Also any information
>on beaches and out-of-the-way places to stay in Bali would be appreciated.
>She is trying to avoid tourist traps in Bali.  Thanks!

Borobudor is one of the few remaining Hindu ruins in Java. The tour
guides say that it a comparible to Angkor Wat in Cambodia. It's a 
very beautiful structure in a very nice location and is well worth 
visiting. There are many tours every day which leave from Yogyakarta.
It would probably be good to ask how long the tour will actually
spend at Borobudor; my tour was just there about two hours and that
really isn't enough.

One place in Bali which is still very much on the tourist circuit, but
still well worth visiting is the town of Ubud. It's about 30km
north of Denpasar. It is very laid back, has beautiful, cheap accomidation
(10000 rp - 5 US dollars in '90) for a double including breakfast.
There's excellent dance and music shows every night in what was
a palace (a must see). You can rent vans, motorcycles, and bicycles to 
tour the area.  There's art shops, good food, some museums and a 
monkey forest.

-- 
Ron McEwen     | email : chucker@bnr.ca | phone: (613) 765-4591
Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
From: sspely@uta.fi (Pekka Lylykorpi)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Information about Aconcagua?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:44:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

I am interested about all kind of information and hints about 
climbing Aconcagua in Argentina. We have a group of 4 guys (3 
of them with experience above 6000 m) with preliminary plans to 
climb this peak.

1. The best season: is end of December too early?
2. Is it easier to travel from Buenos Aires or Santiago (I think it 
is obligatory to "check in" in Mendoza)?
3. I have heard that mules and muleteers from Puente del Inca to 
the base camp are expensive, how expensive are they and are 
there any other alternatives?
4. Do people normally climb with alpine style or with siege 
tactics?
5. Any other information? Pointers to good sources (books etc.)?

Thanks!

Pekka Lylykorpi
Finland

Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: ghill@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Gregory Hill)
Subject: short people
Followup-To: illana stern
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:48:09 GMT

illana stern writes...
>Does anybody else have a route to recommend where being short is an
>advantage?

this is possibly more of a "small" person route than "short" persay, but
"supersqueeze" (also in boulder canyon), as the name implies, must be well
nigh impossible for the large-of-body. i am 5'7", 145lb, and can only climb 
it by taking the rack off and hanging it below the slot, and even then, head,
chest, and buttocks (especially the latter) get by only by the most 
desperate sort of thrashing. i keep trying to talk my 6'6", 200lb partner, Rod,
into doing it, but for some reason he doesn't want to...

i guess that's not much on the side of shortness, but, as lynn hill said, 
if you are short, it just means that you get
more climbing in on any particular route than tall people, so why complain?



Newsgroups: rec.climbing,rec.backcountry
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:35:53 GMT


Hey, you have my FULL SUPPORT.  I am also a proud cairn kicker.
There are places for cairns, and I leave those cairns alone.
However, I find the vast majority entirely unnecessary, and I'm
talking about carins where no sane person could argue their need.
I'm talking about huge cairns sitting next to already horendously
deep, beaten trails where a blind person could follow.  I'm talking
about overactive cairn builders that feel it's necessary to have 
a tower to babel every 20 feet, and what really intrigues me is
that on the same 'trail' I see big cairns where they are not
needed, and then where people would benefit from (and avoid the
ten paths leading to the same place phenomenon) there aren't
any.  I saw that just yesterday.  And, by the way, the place I
went yesterday never had any people there (ok, maybe sometimes
a couple other people) and NO CAIRNS, now it has cairns and
lots of people.  I used to see mountain goats there 90% of the
time, yesterday I didn't see any.

Yours for a trail-less, cairn-less society,

				Mr. G
---
Greg Jahn, Boise State Univ.|"You'd eat your young alive
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu / | for a Jaguar in the drive.
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    / | You lie too much, you lie too badly"
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  / |          - Joni Mitchel


Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: tomg@mishima.mn.org (Thomas Greenwalt)
Subject: Trip to Needles, Black Hills SD
Organization: Alternative Realities
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 02:14:28 GMT

I am planning on going to the Needles in the Black Hills SD, sometime 
toward the middle of Sept. for a week or so.  I'm looking for someone
or ones to climb with.
I have a couple summers worth of climbing experience.  A solid 5.8 
climber with occasional bursts to 5.9-5.10.

-- 
Thomas S. Greenwalt (Tom-Too)                                  (612)866-1344
7300 Nicollet Ave. South                         tomg@mishima.mishima.mn.org 
Mpls, MN  55423
-------------- You only live once, so goodness sake inhale. ----------------
From: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk (Mike Mead)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: climb sport lingo
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:12:41 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

In article <1992Jul27.214451.2373@nic.csu.net> mtemple@calstatela.edu writes:
>In article 712000270@milton, eric@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Hirst) writes:
[]
>> But seriously, what does "aggro" mean?  Or am I a cooler person for not
>> knowing?
>> 
>It is a so cal boarders (surf, skate, snow) term for aggresive.

In the UK it's AGGROvation, as in, "He was giving me real aggro, so I
kicked his teeth in".  We say it all the time over here ;-)

Mike
-- 
  Mike Mead                     Phone: +44 (0235) 44 6710 (FAX: x 5893)
  Informatics Department        JANET: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk
  Rutherford Appleton Lab.      UUCP:  {...!}mcsun!uknet!rlinf!mm
  Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, UK     ARPA:  mm%inf.rl.ac.uk@NSFnet-relay.ac.uk
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