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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: penpal15
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:42:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Nancy, this area is only for teachers to chat on.  You might find it 
better to write your letters in the elementary chat area.  Thanks for 
your help.  See you in Elementary Chat.    Carol Hooper
                                           Zone 1 Moderator


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From: James.Bannan@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (James Bannan)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Global environment Watch
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:10:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Hello hello hello,
      the Global environment Watch has been given a Project for a few months (till the end of March) so if you have a little peep into Channel 9 you can begin to find a few little pieces beginning to arrive.  If you have something to share about the plants and animals and of course the little creepy crawlie bugs then just write something to ALL in Channel 9 to share.  Teachers and children alike are invited to share their world of their backyards, gardens and streets with the rest of us.
If you don't has access to Channel 9 can you please drop me a line and I will try and make some other arrangement.
....
Cheers  Jimbo Down Under
.:<8-)


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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: what is child stalking?
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 08:42:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

;rep:111,4220
Marilynn, strange things have been happening to the pointers out here,
mainly due to my errors.  Did you or Florence get my message about
Safety Houses in Australia?

peter




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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Public library use
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 10:15:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA


As a children's librarian in a public library system her in California,
I have been having a problem with student assignments.  When I go to
state or national conferences, I find the problem is almost universal.

    Teachers often assign projects for their students expectin them to
use the local library for their assignment.  They often assign the same
subject for the entire class, and if they are jr high or high school,
they might assign the same general subject to several classes.  This is
often worsened by the fact that all of the teachers of that grade are
required to teach basically the same subjects.  The teacher fails to
visit the library first to see what we have on this particular subject.
Sometimes it is even compounded with (to us) ridiculous restrictions,
such as you have to use 5 sources and no encyclopedias.  So, all of
these kids show up, needing the same thing, five of each.  It doesn't
take a math wiz to see what kind of resources would be necessary to
cover this.

    What do you as teachers think we librarians could do to solve this
problem?  Are you expecting to much of us or your students?  Has this
problem ever come up with your local library?  Heve you ever even
thought about it?

    Your help would be greatly appreciated.



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From: John.Rappold@f30.n279.z1.fidonet.org (John Rappold)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Favor needed...
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:02:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/30 - Dawson-Bryant High , Huntington WV

     Since Internet is tied into so many Universities, I was hoping I could get some help on a project I am working on (I do not have access to the Internet).

     I have been doing an arrangement for concert band of a film score by Miklos Rozsa from "Ivanhoe". I am doing this by ear from a CD recording of an "Overture" from the film. The arrangement is coming along well, but very slowly.

     For years, I have tried to find a source for printed scores of film music, but have always come up short. I would think that some Universities would have access to these materials in their libraries.

     I am asking anyone who has knowledge of Internet to find an appropriate newsgroup to post a message inquiring for a source of film scores. It doesn't have to be Rozsa specifically, but that would be great also. If I had access to the Internet I would do it myself.

     I hope someone can help me.

Thanks in advance,

John


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: Lunar Cycles
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 22:18:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Though I appreciate that there is obviously a difference of opinion 
going on here, I'd like to ask that we keep the topics of our messages 
centered on education-related subjects and refrain from "bickering" on 
the system.  
Thank you for your help in keeping Teachers' Chat educationally 
oriented.                         Carol Hooper
                                  Zone 1 Moderator


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From: Janis.Bruwelheide@p12.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Janis Bruwelheide)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Internet use
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:35:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.12 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Hi, Andre.  Nice to hear from you.  Too bad th


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From: taz@momad.li.ny.us (Jon Nowak)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Violence & Drugs In School
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:41:04 -0500
Reply-To: taz@momad.li.ny.us
Organization: Modem Madness BBS    1+516-295-9435

Hi there.  As a future teacher, I am very much concerned with the problems
of violence and drug abuse in the school system.  I put both Violence & Drugs
in the topic of this message, because the one tends to go with the other.

I have seen many instances of violence in the inner city school systems, and it
is very upsetting.  How can a teacher effectively lead a class, when (s)he has
to worry about whether or not a student may pull out a gun?  Many schools in
New York City have metal detectors at the entrance.  But this does not solve
the problem.  Students have passed guns through first-floor windows to friends,
in order to get past the detectors.  We can say "Lock all the first-floor 
windows"  but that is not a solution to the problem, just a way to avoid the
problem.  We can preach on and on about violence to the children, but when
they get home, turn on the TV, and see commercials for GI-JOE dolls and the such,
where a 'macho' image is portrayed as GI-JOE (And other figures) shooting
other dolls, firing guns from tanks... This is not the only source of the
problem of violence, but it is a major one.

	I am doing my term project for my secondary-education class on the
problem of violence in the school systems, and I would appreciate any comments,
ideas for solution, or anything else I can toy with to include in my
project (An oral presentation) ... I figure I can get a better perspective on
the problem from those who may have experienced it, than I can get from magazine
and newspaper articles.   Please e-mail any replies to TAZ@Momad.LI.NY.US

Thanks.


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From: Eric.Bergmark@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Bergmark)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Break!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:09:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

At last.  Some time to wander the hiways and byways of cyberspace. 
Happy Holidays to all..



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From: Sharon.Napshin@p0.f126.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Sharon Napshin)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: K-12 Net in school
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:49:54 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/126.0 - Global Vision, Sarasota FL

Thanks for the answer.  I think that it's really important for all of us 
that are working with kids and telecom projects to realize that we are 
breaking new ground and could reach around and bring each other with us 
as we develop techniques, programs, etc.  But, isn't that what teachers 
have ALWAYS done?  Anyway, here is the address and I would appreciate 
any print information that you put together.  I, in turn, will be glad 
to share what is developed in our district:  Sharon Napshin, Media 
Specialist--Sarasota Middle School--1001 South School Avenue--Sarasota, 
Florida 34237.  I appreciate all the help!



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From: Lorna.Kropp@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Lorna Kropp)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Effective Use of K12Net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:22:09 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Hi: I agree with your concern for effective use of telecommunications and
students' time and energies. I have basically decided that proposing and
participating in projects is better use of our energies than penpals. I have
tried to involve each classroom in just one project (except that the 5/6
classroom is doing 3, but they are finding that they have had to divide the
class into 3 teams each responsible for 1 project -Global Village News,
Weather and MathMagic.  We have set up a local channel for Penpals. I don't
have any students yet interested though. 

I did have 3 students write to some of yours and I never found a reply. I have 
not regularly looked in Elementary chat, and our students do not have direct
access. I bring mail back and forth from home.

Therefore all messages to them need to be addressed c/o Lorna Kropp.
Happy HOlidays. Our school is slightly crazy right now getting ready for the
holidays. We have had a Holiday Bazaar for families and children to purchase
gifts which have been made by the children. The money earned is used for
Spring trips/camping/overnights for each class. Therefore in times such as
these finding time for browsing the echos is scarce. We will have winter
holidays until January 4. Our family is looking forward to going skiing.

Hope your holidays are restful.  Have fun in the sun.
Lorna Kropp


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Distribution: world
From: mark@ultramac.uucp (Mark Hladnick)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:47:19 CDT
Subject: Tele Pals

To:  Anyone out there
From: Mark Hladnick    Kirkwood,  MO. USA   mark@oui.com
					 8th grade Science & Technology     16 students
Re: Tele Pal

		I currently teach 4 classes of science and 1 class of technology. Part of
the curriculum is telecommunications. I would like to start a dialog with a
class of    
8th grade students who are interested in current topics of science. 
	  I would like to attach one file of all of the students compositions to be
downloaded by you later.  I hope someone like to do the same.
  	If you're interested in doing the same please e-mail me at:

		mark@oui.com, interNet
From: William.Brydges@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (William Brydges)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: AUSS-CAN LINK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:26:57 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Hello Susan,

Well, I thought you had reaaly disappeared. I am looking forward to seeing 
you when you get back.

We have made contact and have in-serviced John, although, at the time we 
weren't sure on what system you were communicating in Melbourne.

I have just sent a message to the SYSOP, Bernard, asking for a mail address 
for John to get in contact when he returns and school starts.
 
Don't forget to bring back all the information about where and how you call 
and work with the system so that we can make a quick conncetion when school 
starts.

I took my own equipment to school, so I can't comment on the availability of 
the modem, etc., but I'm sure it's there and working. I made a paper copy of 
you message and will take it to school and home. You sound so enthusiastic! 
It was wonderful.           

We will do all we can to get you and your students communicating quickly 
when we return.

I am looking forward to hearing everything about your exchange. Merry 
Christams to David, the children and you.


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From: Donna.Ransdell@f1311.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Ransdell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE(LEE CANTER)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:04:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1311 - The Education Stati, Poway CA

 > HAS ANYONE USED THIS PROGRAM IN THEIR SCHOOL OR
 > CLASSROOM? IF SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
 > THANKS, JANE WHITTEN, BRIDGEWATER, NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA

Yes, have used it both the way it was written (due to school demands) and modified, in grades 1, 2, 3 and 6.

My one major complaint about it is the reward system. Should we be rewarding children for behaving the way they should in the first place? It's almost like bribery. Also, the kids get so caught up in it, that sometimes it becomes "what are you going to give me if I do it right?" You're constantly giving out stickers, parties, etc., which comes out of someone's pocket...mine, usually.

I have hesitated to get it started this year, for usually once you start, you can't quit that year. I rely on the old standard....say something you mean, mean what you say, and then follow through. The techniques one uses can work every bit as well...at least this is true in the lower grades.

Hope this helps.


                                       -donna


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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE(
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:20:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

-> Yes I would love to know more. What I'm interested in is the positive
-> points and the negative points of the program as others have used it.
-> I am also interested in how others have adapted it to suit the
-> different situations. It is also interesting to see it used in the
-> elementary grades.

I take it from your response, that it is "interesting" to see it used in
the elementary grades, that you don't teach at that grade level.

I find that my children's elementary school clings quite rigidly to the
plan exactly as it stands in the book(s). Sometimes I find it quite
annoying. Although I very much like the positive reward aspect of the
plan, and it seems to be much more effective with my son than the
negative "consequences".

As for myself, some of the things that I like:
1. a book for transgressors to sign after class on the day of the
transgression. I've been doing this now for almost 2 years, and I find
it very useful to have a written record of the number of times a student
has been late to class, or forgotten a book, etc... Usually I make the
first time the student signs the book a "warning" (I don't give warnings
and checkmarks on the board during class).

2. The method for repeating a request of a student without discussing
the reason for it during class.

3. Short list of rules that you cling to consistently.

I don't like:

1. The "checkmark" method of keeping track of how many times a student
has violated a particular rule. My students know what type of behavior
is expected of them (they are, after all, in high school). I use body
language and tone of voice to convey my expectations during class, and
if some kids still can't take the hint then no checkmarks, you're simply
in trouble.


Hmmm, when I started typing this message, it seemed to me that I had
more things to enumerate. But somehow it escapes me now.

Have you had any experience with using Assertive Disc. in the classroom?
Have you seen any workshops or presentations on it? Well, if you have
any questions or comments, let me know.

Sheila
                                                                                                                           

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From: Julie.Rosenoff@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Julie Rosenoff)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Help for presentation
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:51:23 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Helen,
 
I happened to read Carol Hooper's  12-12-92 message 
to  you:
   
 > This was invaluable! I have downloaded and excitedly
 > begun to establish worksheets and guidelines for future
 > telecommunications classes in my school district. 
 >  Thanks so very much!
 
 
I am going to be giving a couple of presentations on
telecommunications at conferences; I also am trying to
plan presentations directed at the elementary and middle
school level in my district to try and get some students
and teachers involved with K12Net. Thanks to our local
MacUser Club, we have free access to K12Net.
 
I wondered if you could send me information that would assist
my endeavors?  This is my first school year with telecommunications
and I would be grateful for any assistance, guidelines, advice,
etc. for giving meaningful information to other educators.
 
Thanks (in advance).
 
Have a happy holiday!
 
Julie Rosenoff


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From: Nancy.Freburg@p15.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Freburg)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Washington penpals
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.15 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Hi, Karl.  I was delighted to get your message today, Dec. 14.  Yes, I would
like to pursue your idea.  I have several classes of 6th graders, but I will
choose just one to respond to your students.  Do you have the OFFLINE reader?
I am librarian for 3 schools, so I have 5 classes of 6th graders.  How about
starting after the first of the new year.  I will introduce them to it on
Wednesday, January 6, and maybe get a few messages sent then.  It will
take awhile, because I only have the students for 1/2 hour and cannot
spend the whole library class doing it -- because I have to teach
skills.  Thanks for your interest.  The students will be delighted.  If
you wanted to get started before the first of the year, you could have
your students send messages with the subject of Garfield Sixth Grade
Penpal and send it to me -- Nancy Freburg, as the students are not'
yet signed up on the BBS.  Have a wonderful Holiday.

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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Penpal notes
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:42:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Hi Tom,
     I'm so disappointed to let you know that we have received no messages except your first letters to us.  I hope you don't think I was pressuring you either but it would be nice to hear from the children in your school again.  My students got the biggest thrill out of it.  
     Since I'll only be there this week and then my practicum is over, please don't feel you need to send more.  But that would explain why you didn't hear from us again either!  
     Thank you for helping make my unit a huge success and thank your students also.  Maybe we can do it again sometime.
     Best of holidays to you and your students.


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From: Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Jane Whitten)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: CROOKED MICKS DOG
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:16:07 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Well, reading about Crooked Micks dog reminded me of the time I was hitching 
through county donegal in Ireland. I was walking past a farmers yard and 
there was a farmer and beside him was a pig with only three legs. I got to 
talking to him and of course the conversation had to get around to the pig 
and why it only had three legs. He proceeded to tell me about how one day it 
had sved his young son from drowning by pulling him out ofc the piond behind 
the house and then about how it had saved the young daughter by running and 
pushing it her out of the way of a car which was heading straight for her. 
And I said to him, "you still haven't told me why the pig only has three 
legs" "Oh, "said the farmer,"You can't eat a pig that's that good all at one 
go, can you now?"
All the best, Jane Whitten, Bridgewater, N.S.

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From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: Concern about K12
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:47:24 GMT

Robin.Bain@p5.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Robin Bain) writes:

> ... We sent messages back to the children who had answered us and are
> still waiting for replies.

   I'm not sure just how long you should wait on Fidonet, but I'd guess
between three days and a week.  After that, you should assume that either
the message or the reply got lost somewhere.  I assure you, if you knew
how many different things can go wrong, you'd be surprised there aren't
*more* messages lost.

> For a while, children were arriving at school and zipping through the
> Elementary Chat area but now they couldn't care less.

   Teach them to send follow-up messages.  The followup should simply say
that you haven't received a reply to the message you sent on <date>, and
you wonder whether they received your message.  And absolutely always,
send a second follow-up if you receive no reply to the first.  Remember,
you just don't know where in the process it may have gotten lost.

   Sometimes, you just can't make e-mail work.  Suggest an alternative,
such as U.S.Mail.  If you establish *some* contact, you can figure out
why the e-mail isn't working.

> I really think we teachers have a responsibility to ensure that children
> who are given access to this medium are aware that they have a
> responsibility to maintain integrity and once making contact, to do
> their best to keep it going.

   Agreed.  In order to do so, they *must* do the two follow-ups and
suggest an alternate path.

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
From: Carol.Rundberg@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Rundberg)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Good, college choices
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:13:06 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

* Original Area: EDUCATOR
* Original From: Joshua Kramer (1:321/109)
* Original To  : Dave Mainwaring (1:321/110)

DM>     What are the attractions of the colleges you chose?
DM>     Why not Harvard, Yale, BU ?

WEll, first of all I probably couldn't get in.  If I did, I couldn't
afford it.  If I could, I'd want to stay in Columbus.

In that order <g>.

--Josh

  SLMR 2.1a  You were expecting something cleaver here? :^)




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