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From: kre@po.CWRU.edu (Keith RW Elflein)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: THE BEST BOND BABE CONTEST
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Date: 14 Dec 1992 04:00:43 GMT
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In article <1992Dec10.024949.28746@csc.ti.com>, (James Bond himself) wrote:
> 
> In article yBD@andrew.cmu.edu, Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
> Bond Babe:
> >
> >Barbara Bach		The Spy Who Loved Me
> >Diana Rigg      	On Her Majesty's Secret Service
> >Nicole Bouquet  	For Your Eyes Only
> >Maryam D'Abo    	The Living Daylights
> >Carey Lowell    	License to Kill
> >Barbara Carrera 	Dr.  No
> >Maud Adams		Octopussy
> >Tanya Roberts		A View to A Kill
> >Claudine Auger		Thunderball
> >Jane Seymore		Live and Let Die
> 
> Sorry to be picky, but Barbara Carrera was not in Dr. No. And she was a villain.
> Ursulla Andress was in Dr No.
> It is Jane Seymour,not Jane Seymore.
> It's Carole Bouquet, not Nicole Bouquet.
> And my name is Bond, James Bond.

Too cool! James is the man! awesome...

"When tears of joy are flowing, Love laughs sweetly at the beloved! To kiss
them from her cheeks is Love's most beautiful, greatest payment."
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:00:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.230935.10910@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.colu
bia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>As we all know, Pierce Brosnan was asked to play James Bond after Roger
>>Moore's disembarking, but alas could not because of his contract with
>>the show Remington Steele.
>>Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
>>Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and repl
ced
>>with Mel Gibson!
>>Several questions come to mind:
>>1. Why (if this is true) was Dalton axed or did he want to leave?
>>2. If he's leaving, why didn't they try to get Pierce Brosnan again?  H
's
>>not doing anything now (except that role in the Lawnmower Man).
>>
>>Anyone have any insights? 
>No, but I have another question.
>Of all people, why Mel Gibson? He seems ideal for someone in a movie lik
 Mad
>Max or Lethal Weapon but for a more glamorised tyoe of setup I can't see
how
>Gibson would fit in. He seems to be too direct and much too raw for a Ja
es
>Bond character. Well, in my opinion, he would be better than Roger Moore
 
>
>philip
>
>
>Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia
edu
>"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose m
 brain
> if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"


Yeah, and Mel would have been lousy at doing Shakespearean roles, 
too.  Good thing he didn't decide to play Hamlet.  :-)

Actually, though, an article in TV guide quashed the rumor--Mel
plans to do a remake of the old Maverick TV series (which, in-
terestingly and ironically enough, is where Roger Moore got his
start!).

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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:46:57 GMT

>
>License to Kill definitely gets my vote for worst movie; at least Moonraker
>had Jaws. (It also was the most profitable James Bond movie, by the way.) The
>opening scene with the parachutes makes up for the space silliness.
>
That's interesting because License To Kill is my favorite movie since For Your
Eyes Only, and before that On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I like the fact
that Bond is able to kill not only for the Queen but also for himself, the
fact that he acts like he hates killing but knows it's his job and does it
and then tries to forget it. Really. Roger Moore and Sean Connery make it
seem like Bond enjoyed using his toys to kill people, and Fleming's Bond
hated killing. I think he mentions it in LICENSE RENEWED when Q'te asks him
about it, and it's also in either Moonraker or Goldfinger, I can't remember.
No, could be "For Your Eyes Only." Fleming states several times that when
M. gives Bond an assignment, he looks at Bond with sort of this "just do it
and I'll take the blame for it if this is wrong" expression. 

Oh, well. To each his own.

philip
Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
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From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:03:57 GMT

In <1992Dec15.151945.1657@netcom.com> bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan) writes:

>pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>No, but I have another question.
>>Of all people, why Mel Gibson? He seems ideal for someone in a movie like Mad
>>Max or Lethal Weapon but for a more glamorised tyoe of setup I can't see how
>>Gibson would fit in. He seems to be too direct and much too raw for a James
>>Bond character.


>don't sell Mel Gibson short.  Even though he is typecast in most of his
>movies, he happens to be a very good actor.  I understand that he was a
>Shakespearean actor before Mad Max.  That is obviously a different acting
>job altogether.


Well, I never heard that before, but his performance in the movie version of
"Hamlet" was superb. Not as good as... what's that guy's name who appeared
in the BBC version?
-- 
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From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.102434.1@ccs.csus.edu> doylemw@ccs.csus.edu writes:
>
>another one ...the last story that Ian Flemming published had 007
>set up as a sniper...to take out the oppositions (in this case
>Russian...not SMERSH...but commie) sniper.   007 is set up over lookin
>"no man's land" at which would latter become check point Charlie
>on the Berlin east west border.  an agent is going to make a run
>for it and the Russians know it...so their sniper is going to
>whack him.  007 is supposed to shoot the other sniper.  Well, he
>has two days to think about it...and sees an orchestra setting up
>in the only building with a clear field of fire.   He is attracted
>to the bass player....she looks great through the 3X9 scope he is using.
> cut to the chase...when he goes to take out the Russian sniper..
>he sees that it is the girl...and (this is important) he pulls the
>shot and instead of a kill (like the shot at the world trade center
>...were he shot second after his backup broke out the window)
>he undoubtly messed up the other sniper, but did not kill her.
>...and the mission succeeds
>but JB does not make a kill...in Flemmings last work.
>Change of heart?  Not really...after all she was
>beautiful.
>(this story line was used in the first JB movie that Dalton starred in)
>
This story was "The Living Daylights".  Obviously it wasn't enough for a
whole movie, but just the opening scene.  That short story, at least in
the version I read, was bound with another, which described the background
of the Octopus clan, and the death of Octopussy's father, in "Octopussy".
If I remember correctly, the book was called "Never Say Never Again", NOT
"Octopussy", and the movie did not include any of the action from the movie,
just some info.  But that wouldn't be the first time that the movie had a
totally different story line from the book.

John

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Gardner books
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 10:08:37 GMT

In article <BzJr61.Iz5@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
>Which of the John Gardner books do people like?  They all seem
>to hit the NYT best seller list at least briefly.  I have oonly
>read a couple -- they have a certain elan of their own somewhere
>betweeen the hard realism of the Fleming books and the spectacle
>globehopping stuff of the later movies.

My favorite Gardner Bond book is Scorpius. It's pretty tragic throughout and
Bond even gets married again, but Bond isn't too happy about it. Lots of
cool deaths here and there (my favorite parts of the Bond novels are always
the way people die. Maybe for that reason Scorpius, Colonel Sun, Live And
Let Die, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service are my favorite novels in the
series). License Renewed I found interesting but hard to accept as a real
Bond novel cuz Bond should have been at least in his late fifties by then, but
he's almost the same age as he was in The Man With The Golden Gun (early 40s).
For Special Services was funny because Gardner, for all intents and purposes,
made Felix a girl (in form of Leiter's daughter). Icebreaker took me a long 
time to read because it was too confusing for what it was worth. Triple and
quadruple agents? Come on. I was waiting for M. to say that the whole time
he worked for Mossad and that Qu'te was actually a CIA agent, and that Bond
was all the time working for the KGB.
>
>Currently reading _The Man from Barbarossa_ and it is pretty "hard".
My condolences. (I didn't like that book).

I wish Gardner would write his way and not try to imitate Fleming. 
Who's read the Liquidator series?

philip
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:20:59 GMT
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kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard K.) writes:

>As we all know, Pierce Brosnan was asked to play James Bond after Roger
>Moore's disembarking, but alas could not because of his contract with
>the show Remington Steele.

>Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
>Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
>with Mel Gibson!

>Several questions come to mind:
>1. Why (if this is true) was Dalton axed or did he want to leave?
>2. If he's leaving, why didn't they try to get Pierce Brosnan again?  He's
>not doing anything now (except that role in the Lawnmower Man).

>Anyone have any insights? 

As I understand it, the scenario is playing something like this:

There seems to be quite a lot of confusion and infighting going on about who
owns Bond and who's allowed to make Bond Movies... Currently, Albert Broccoli 
(sp?) owns it, but Joel Silver, Executive Producer of the Lethal Weapon movies, 
has expressed some interest in doing Bond.  Since Warner Brothers signed him 
to a 100 Million Dollar contract last year sometime, there was some speculation
that if he wanted it, they'd spend the money to get the rights (from whoever.)

All this lead to various journalists (including ET, which is where I picked 
most of this up...) asking him (Silver) who he'd have play Bond... and he 
said "Mel Gibson"... Whether he was joking or not, I don't know.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Dave
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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Disclaimer re: Fleming's notes for sale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:57:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Folks,

If you have a problem with the comment about "saving the notes
from the United States" at the end of the article I posted, you
damn well take it up with the Times (London) and the author of
the article noted.

However, if you are all too sensitive, I will censor my postings
in the future.

Margaret

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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Gardner books
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:08:46 GMT

IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan R Robbins) writes:
>I finished reading The Man From Barbarossa about a month ago.
>It was one of the "queerest" books Gardner has done in the
>Bond series. It was unbelievable Bond was able to get away
>by passing himself off as a high-ranking official in the Scales
>of Justice. The action was very limited, and all everyone did
>was go around and say, "The world could be in grave danger
>if this group calling themselves Scales of Justice makes it to
>the top of the Soviet hierarchy." Big words, but no action on
>behalf of this terrorist organization.

>The writing was also very poor, and in some places the editing
>was noticeable - because it was nonexistent.

I don't think it's THAT bad.  I agree with the criticism in your
first graph a lot more.

>The Man From Barbarossa is Gardner's worst contribution to the
>series.

Good, that means I'll enjoy the others more ......  ;-)

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From: craig@aux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bond Villains
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:18:03 GMT

Mike Weldy (weldymj@fe638.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
> There are so many villains to choose from....let's see.
> 
> My absolute favorite has to be Jaws.  For anyone not familiar with him, he's the
> guy with the metal teeth seen in several Bond flicks.
> 
> Another thing about Jaws.  A few weeks ago, I was in my dorm's radio station and
> could have sworn I saw an album by the guy who played Jaws.  This dude looked 
> just like Jaws only the hair was different and he didn't smile.  Therefore, I 
> could not see any metal teeth.  Was I seeing things, or did he really release an
> album.  (It looked like it was from the '70's.)

This album didn't happen to be by a band of the name "Lucifer's Friend", 
did it? There's an album cover with a guy on it that looks just like
Jaws by that band. :)

-C
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From: weldymj@fe638.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Weldy)
Subject: Favorite Bond Villains
Summary: Some of my favorites.
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:21:13 GMT

There are so many villains to choose from....let's see.

My absolute favorite has to be Jaws.  For anyone not familiar with him, he's the
guy with the metal teeth seen in several Bond flicks.

Another thing about Jaws.  A few weeks ago, I was in my dorm's radio station and
could have sworn I saw an album by the guy who played Jaws.  This dude looked 
just like Jaws only the hair was different and he didn't smile.  Therefore, I 
could not see any metal teeth.  Was I seeing things, or did he really release an
album.  (It looked like it was from the '70's.)

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From: IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan R Robbins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Gardner books
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:59:58 GMT
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 <1992Dec20.100837.3790@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

I've read most of the Bond books, with exception to Dr. No and
Casino Royale. I have read all of Gardner's books, except his
latest.

I finished reading The Man From Barbarossa about a month ago.
It was one of the "queerest" books Gardner has done in the
Bond series. It was unbelievable Bond was able to get away
by passing himself off as a high-ranking official in the Scales
of Justice. The action was very limited, and all everyone did
was go around and say, "The world could be in grave danger
if this group calling themselves Scales of Justice makes it to
the top of the Soviet hierarchy." Big words, but no action on
behalf of this terrorist organization.

The writing was also very poor, and in some places the editing
was noticeable - because it was nonexistent.

The Man From Barbarossa is Gardner's worst contribution to the
series.

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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: the thread about Bond women...
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:56:42 GMT

In article <101713@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>I just thought I'd have to interject a comment into this thread.  The
>movie bond women are justifiably called babes.  They are frequently
>nothing more than sex toys.
>
>In truth (canon as defined by I. Fleming), Bond women were very strong
>capable characters who were quite able to take care of themselves.
	I tend to agree.  Alas, we're apparently outnumbered by college
freshman who have apparently never even *seen* the Fleming originals, much
less read them.  At least that's my impression from the posts here, 95% of
which seem blissfully unaware of anything but the films.

[examples deleted]
>
>Personally, I like the true Bond women.
>
	Same here.  I think it's a difference in the audience being
addressed.  Fleming's novels (and the first few films) were apparently
aimed at an adult audience.  The films since then have pretty obviously
been aimed at the adolescent market and reflect an adolescent's view of
sexuality and women in general.

Chuck

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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:59:05 GMT

In article <92352.150114TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>So what exactly constitutes a legitimate "Bond Film?"  Is it Eon Productions?
>A Ian Fleming novel? Or can anyone like Burt Reynolds make a legitimate
>Bond film? ...by the way, the later sucks Blofeld Balls!
	Burt Reynolds?  Well, maybe as Felix Leiter..>:-)>
	IMHO (a minority one around here) there hasn't been a *legitimate*
Bond film made since "Thunderball", with the possible exception of "Never Say
Never Again" (which was just a remake of "Thunderball", after a fashion).
Most of the Bond films might as well have been made by Burt Reynolds, given
their generally juvenile nature.
	So, yes, I'd say that having a sound basis in "A (sic) Ian Fleming
novel" would be the sine qua non for a legitimate Bond film.
 	This is, of course, an unpopular opinion in this forum.
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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:29:10 GMT

>
>
>econd.  For worst, Moonraker receives a resounding nomination with License to Kill coming in second. (What is the deal with Felix being EATEN BY SHARKS??? Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?)

BOOK SPOLERS FOLLOW BENEATH.....





















>
Sorry to disappoint you, but in the second 007 novel Felix Leiter was eaten by
sharks in Mr. Big's aquarium. The whole aquarium thing in LICENSE TO KILL was
taken right out of the Live And Let Die novel, except that in the novel it
was pirate treasure, not drugs, that were being hidden. And Milton Krest was
in a Fleming short story called "The Hildebrand Rarity" and really wasn't a
bad guy (well, I wouldn't like wanna go on a cruise, like with him. Gag me
with a fish, fer sure! <|-)=  )

In fact, Felix Leiter was supposed to die in Live And Let Die but some of
Fleming's friends complained so he let him live. Same went for Bond, who
was supposed to die in From Russia, With Love, but so many people complained 
that it wasn't a fitting demise for such a great agent, hence the cure for
curare worked as a substitute for fugu poison.

philip
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"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
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From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:47:28 GMT
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In article <1992Dec12.004839.28342@seas.gwu.edu> alexrh@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen Hellman) writes:

>econd.  For worst, Moonraker receives a resounding nomination with License to Kill coming in second. (What is the deal with Felix being EATEN BY SHARKS??? Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?)
>
>                             --B.A.P.  (not Steven Hellman) 

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Felix eaten by sharks in Fleming's novel, _Live
and Let Die_?

I agree, though, Steve. The Fleming Bond is not the same as the Movie bond,
and Felix being eaten by sharks was far too dark for the cheerful series that
movie goers desire.

License to Kill definitely gets my vote for worst movie; at least Moonraker
had Jaws. (It also was the most profitable James Bond movie, by the way.) The
opening scene with the parachutes makes up for the space silliness.

The best movie has to be The Spy Who Loved Me. It has the best villain, best car,
and an INCREDIBLE evasion scene among the pyramids.
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From: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:25:49 GMT

In article 27497@e2big.mko.dec.com, kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard K.) writes:
>
>Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
>Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
>with Mel Gibson!
>

Can anybody tell me if I am dreaming, but I think I heard somewhere that
Ian Flemming agree to see his books about Bond made into movies at the
condition that the guy who plays Bond is from the United Kingdom ?
It's true for the last James Bond: Sean Connery, Roger Moore and
Timothy Dalton ? Would like to know is this is just a rumor or if
it is true ?
Thanks.