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From: hannu@ae.tut.fi (Hannu Koivisto)
Subject: datalock() system call bug in HP9000/43T ?
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:00:41



There seems to be some problems with real-time system calls with
HP9000/43T (i.e. upgraded to 68040). The appended simple program tries
to lock itself into the memory using datalock() call. 
Results: 
9000/43T system crash (HP-UX  B.08.00 A 9000/43T )
9000/720           OK (HP-UX  A.08.07 A 9000/720 )

The locking using plock() system call works on both platfroms.
A bug in 43T ? Have anybody notice this or any other real-time
specific  problems? Can this be fixed ?


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Hannu Koivisto	                  Tampere University of Technology,
hannu@ae.tut.fi                   Control Engineering Laboratory
		                  P.O. Box 692, 33101 Tampere, FINLAND
		                  Telefax + 358 31 162340
------------------------------------------------------------------------


 /* ----------- test.c   -------------------------    */
 /* note: you should have RTPRIO and MLOCK privileges */
 /* to run this program. compile: cc test.c -o test   */

 #include <sys/lock.h>
 #include <sys/rtprio.h>

 #define MAINERR 1
 #define RTPRIOVAL 50

 #define HALFMEGA 524288
 #define ONEMEGA 1048576

 main(argc,argv)
 int argc;
 char *argv[];
 {
       int c[10000];
       int i;
       int a;

       if((i=rtprio(0,RTPRIOVAL))==-1){
	     perror("rtprio failed\n");
	     exit(MAINERR);
       }
       printf("rtprio OK= %d \n",i);


       if((i=datalock(ONEMEGA,HALFMEGA))==-1){
	     perror("datalock failed\n");
	     exit(MAINERR);
       }
       printf("datalock= %d \n",i);



       printf("Succes - give letter: ");
       scanf("%d",&a);
	  printf("a= %d \n",a);

 }
--
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Hannu Koivisto	                  Tampere University of Technology,
hannu@ae.tut.fi                   Control Engineering Laboratory
		                  P.O. Box 692, 33101 Tampere, FINLAND
		                  Telefax + 358 31 162340
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: duncan@yc.estec.esa.nl (Duncan Gibson)
Subject: Mysterious load on HP9000/730
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:44:44 GMT
Organization: ESTEC/YCV, Noordwijk, The Netherlands

I have noticed a mysterious quirk of one of our system which is not
serious, but which I am curious about. (So I havn't called the CRC).

We have several HP systems, one of which is an HP9000/730 (SRX?) and is
used mainly for an achitectural CAD package. In general, there are only
one or two users who connect to this machine, most users have an XDM
session running elsewhere. In order to keep ahead of the users, I have 
xmeter running, monitoring the load on the various machines. Every now
and again (at least once a day?) the xmeter shows the 730 as having a
constant load of 1.0 (yesterday it was 2.0 and later on there was a case
of 3.0) and this lasts for several (tens of) minutes. However, when I
then login to the machine to check it out, quite often there is no-one
else logged in anyway, and usually there are no obvious busy processes.
The machine never seems to be unduly sluggish, so this doesn't appear to
be the "real" load, just a "phantom" load (cf. phantom pregnancy? :-)

This isn't a problem, per se, but I'm very curious about it. Has anyone
else noticed anything similar, or have any ideas? Please Email, and I
will summarise any responses that I get.

Cheers
Duncan

P.S. The machine does not contain any users home directories, and in fact
     none of the disks are NFS mounted by other machines. Uname -a gives:

        HP-UX yc9 A.B8.05 A 9000/730 927406132

-- 
Duncan Gibson, ESTEC/YCV, Postbus 299, 2200AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Preferred email:  duncan@yc.estec.esa.nl    or  ...!sun4nl!esatst!duncan
Desperate email:  dgibson@estec.esa.nl      or  dgibson@ESTEC.BITNET
From: pwalden@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Philip Walden)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:22:53 GMT
Subject: Re: E-mail address for Interex?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>/ hpcc01:comp.sys.hp / markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) /  3:16 pm  Jul 23, 1992 /
>Is it possible to send e-mail to Interex?  There is a UUCP site registered
>(interex); has anybody sent mail there?  Do they have a real Internet address?
>Or should I just use their BBS?
>-- 

I use <name>@interex.uucp

For example: gentry@interex.uucp gets you Art Gentry SIGUX and CSL-UX
chairperson.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jhd@irfu.se (Jan D.)
Subject: Re: What is the 7xx series compatible with ?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:59:09 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <7371265@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor) writes:
>In comp.sys.hp, e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink) writes:
>| If I compile binaries on my 720, HPUX 8.07, will they run on any other
>| series of the HP 9000 ?  For example, I have heard of Series 800,
>| series 400, series 300, etc...  What am I compatible with, in theory ?
>
>Series 300/400 is out; they have a Motorola MC680x0 processor, not at all
>similar to PA-RISC.
>
>Series 8x7 should work, other things being equal.  For other Series 800,
>it can be done if you're careful.  You'll need to use the +DA1.0 compile
>option to exclude new PA-RISC 1.1 instructions.  Then, if you link against
>shared libraries or libraries you've built for PA 1.0, you should be OK.
>If you link against archive libraries, be sure that they're PA 1.0.  Use
>the file command for this; it will say either s800 or PA-RISC1.1 (based on
>my sample-of-two test).
>

You can't see if an archive library is PA1.1 or 1.0 with file, at least
not the file I got on 8.07:

Script started on Thu Aug 27 00:52:38 1992
jhd@kernow> cat > foo.c
foo() {}
^D
jhd@kernow> make foo.o
	cc -O -c foo.c
jhd@kernow> ar cvr libfoo.a foo.o
a - foo.o
jhd@kernow> file foo.o libfoo.a
foo.o:		PA-RISC1.1 relocatable object
libfoo.a:	archive file -s800 relocatable library
jhd@kernow> ^D

script done on Thu Aug 27 00:53:29 1992

BTW, what's your sample-of-two test?

	Jan D.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hart@waterloo.hp.com (Tony Hart)
Subject: Re: scftosnf or some related utility
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:51:59 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Sean McLinden (sean+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: I am almost sure that I have seen the answer to this before, but I cannot
: seem to remember where. We are installing the X11R5 distribution with the
: server contributions but I want to be able to use the fonts distributed
: with HP's X11R4 (scf format), especially for VUE. Do aliases exist or is
: there a routine for doing this in R5?

Since ".scf" files are just compressed ".snf" files, you can do something like

	uncompress <foobar.scf >foobar.snf

to do the comversion.

Hope this helps!

Tony Hart,
Panacom Automation Division,
Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd.

Standard Disclaimer:
All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of
the Hewlett-Packard Company.
From: hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Lisa Henry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: What's in 8.07???
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:03:33 GMT
Organization: Boeing

I'm running HP-UX 8.05 on a 750, and just received version 8.07.
I'm having a hard time justifying doing the update, and having
to take the system down.  My users run at all hours.  Could
anyone tell me what the benefits/changes are in 8.07?  I've 
looked for release notes, but haven't been able to find any.

Thanks for your input.

Lisa

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  Lisa Yvette Henry           * System Administrator 
~  root@hp750_s1.ds.boeing.com * Status:  Babe in the woods...
~  hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com   * "Wow, look at all these toys!"
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Running diskless over two lan cards
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:10:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Cnodes can only boot from a single server lan (i.e., you can't have half
> booting from card 1 and half from the other card).

That is also my understanding.  The /etc/clusterconf file specifies the
server's LLA (link level address == station address, hence which LAN
card serves the cluster).  Also it specifies the LLA for each cnode, to
validate incoming boot requests and tell each client its node name.

Actually a client boots from its swap server system -- also specified
in the clusterconf file -- not necessarily the root server, to ensure
it doesn't boot before swap is available.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.unix.msdos
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: NFS file locking
Originator: gcagle@dracula
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:57:14 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Aug17.134148.10125@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
|> 
|> The correct answer to this is "It works ok with my Sun so it must be the 
|> HP."  You can rent a Sun for a week to prove it if you don't have one.
|> Then say it a second time louder.
|> 
|> It is probably a configuration problem.  You probably don't have the 
|> PC set up correctly.
|> 
|> If it really is a bug, then it is probably an HP, not a PCNFS problem.
|> 
|> Lockds will be lockds.  Send the HP guys a network general sniffer trace.

Uhh, I don't want to cast any doubt on the perfection of Sun code, but
this description of a SunOS patch might be of interest:

Patch-ID# 100075-08
Keywords: lockd, rpc.lockd, file locking
Synopsis: SunOS 4.1;4.1.1;4.1.2; lockd jumbo patch
Date: 25/Mar/92

<stuff deleted>

Problem Description:

i) klm protocol was changed but the rpc number was not.

ii) Shared or exclusive lock relative to EOF does not work correctly.

iii) Deadlock is not detected when locking over NFS.

iv) Downgrade of lock does not grant other read locks.

v) Panic "corrupt file lock list" might occur.

vi) rpc.lockd does not release memory allocated and grows in size.

vii) When doing "region locking" some regions do not get properly unlocked.

viii) Granting of locks not working correctly when local and remote locks
on same file are used at the same time.

ix) Unlock that is interrupted by signal could leave the file as being locked
by a process that does not exist.

x) Core dump of rpc.lockd when unlocking in lm_unlock_region.

xi) When server is rebooted locks are not reclaimed correctly.
-- 
Greg Cagle                                                         (503)685-1570
Mentor Graphics Corporation                               greg_cagle@mentorg.com
Platform Technology Division
From: turrell@violet.berkeley.edu (David Turrell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: what's a HP 425e?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 07:09:04 GMT
Organization: Cobol Pacific University
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In <22B6NIO@zelator.in-berlin.de>
hollywd@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stuart Hollywood) writes:

>well the subject says it all!
>(e-mail would be fine)
>stuart

[From the Spring/Summer 1992 HP Apollo Direct Workstation Catalog.]

Model		425e		425t		710

Package		Desktop		"		"
Integer		22 MIPS		"		57 MIPS
SPECmarks	11		"		49.7
Processor	MC68040		"		PA-RISC
Clock Speed	25 MHz		"		50 MHz
Floating Pt	2.6 MFLOPS	"		12 MFLOPS
Main Mem	8-48 MB		8-64 MB		16-64 MB
Expansion	None		"		"
Graphics	Grayscale	"		2D Grayscale
		2D Color	2D & 3D Color	2D & 3D Color
Internal
  Disk Drive	Up to 840 MB	"		"
Int. Drive
  Capabilities	2 slots		"		"
Int. Floppy	1.4 MB		N/A		1.4 MB
Int. HD		210 or 420 MB	420 MB		210 or 420 MB
Int. Options	1.4 MB Floppy	N/A		1.4 MB Floppy
		600 MB CD-ROM			600 MB CD-ROM
						2 GB 4mm DDS Tape Dr.
Cache (instr)	4 KB		"		32 KB
Cache (data)	4 KB		"		64 KB
Interfaces	SCSI		"		SCSI II
		3 RS-232-C	1 RS-232-C	2 RS-232-C (9 pin)
		HP-HIL/Domain	"		HP-HIL
		1 Centronics	"		1 Centronics
		1 Audio in/out	1 Audio		1 Audio
Networks	IEEE 802.3	IEEE 802.3	IEEE 802.3
				Apollo
				Token Ring
				IBM Token Ring
Op. System	HP-UX 8.0, or	HP-UX 8.0, or	HP-UX 8.05 or 8.07
		Domain/OS	Domain/OS
		SR 10.3 with	SR 10.3 with
		PSK Q3 91	PSK 8
				or PSK Q3 91

[Prices have been cut since the catalog was issued, but for reference
here are the catalog's prices, in US dollars, for similar
configurations of each machine.]

425e	(HP-UX, 16/420 MB, 16" EVRX Color)		$11,990
425t	(HP-UX, 16/420 MB, 19" CRX Color)		$17,490
710	(HP-UX, 16/420 MB, 16" Color)			$13,965

[All machines come with "instant ignition", which is what happens to
you when you see the prices for options.]

-David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: bcripe@hpcvusc (Brian E. Cripe)
Subject: Re: Action from the vuefile mgr
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:19:30 GMT

> I can't seem to get the editor to work when I highlight a file from
> the file manager and execute the EDIT option from the Actions menu.

Are you using the default EDIT action (which with VUE 2.01 invokes
vi)?

> I've gone through the VUE sysadmin manual, made sure that spcd is
> enabled through services and inetd.  I've made sure that there is
> an /etc/X0.hosts and an /usr/adm/inetd.sec file.  I've done every
> thing that I can, but I still get
> 
> The following host was not accessible:
>                 hostname

This leads me to believe that you (or somebody else) has defined an
EDIT action which runs an editor on a remote system.  Is this true?
Is the hostname in the message where you expect the editor to run?

Assuming that you really are trying to get remote execution to work --
is the remote system NFS mounted to the local system under
/nfs/<hostname>?  The local system needs to be able to access
/nfs/<remote>/tmp for SPCD authentication.  

In addition the remote system will have to NFS mount the file system
where the data file resides so that your editor can access it.

	Brian Cripe
From: als@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Anthony Shipman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: that HPUX cc compiler
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:49:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software

Here are some programs for which the HP cc generates incorrect code.

xfig.2.1.4, contact bvsmith@lbl.gov

	When compiled with -O incorrect code is generated for the 
	int_spline_bound() function.  This results in floating point exceptions
	while working with splines.  The program works without -O.



Metafont
	This is supplied with Unix TeX3.14.  When compiled with -O the bit
	maps it generates for a font's characters are seriously corrupted.




sml2c from /usr/nemo/sml2c on dravido.soar.cs.cmu.edu.

	This is an SML to C compiler.

	I tried to make a sharable library out of the runtime library.  When
	I compiled it with +z and linked with -b the compiler crashed. 
	When I linked the compiler statically with the runtime library still
	compiled with +z it also crashed.  The fault seemed to be in the
	large .c file containing the compiled SML-source runtime code
	(perv.sml.c).  It runs fine normally, i.e. compiled without -O.



Debugging the last two would be rather difficult since the C code that fails
is generated by some translater from quite different source.

As a normal precaution I never use -O with anything 'complicated'.


-- 
Anthony Shipman                 "You've got to be taught before it's too late,
CP Software Export Pty Ltd,      Before you are six or seven or eight,
19 Cato St., East Hawthorn,      To hate all the people your relatives hate,
Melbourne, Australia, 3121       You've got to be carefully taught."  R&H
From: ken@sdd.hp.com (Ken Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Losing time....
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:27:54 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlz.sdd.hp.com

In article <21097@optima.cs.arizona.edu> pagels@cs.arizona.edu (Michael A. Pagels) writes:
>My 720's clock loses about 1 minute a day.  Other machines
>at our site use ntp to synch clocks.  As HPUX doesn't provide
>adjtime, implementing ntp is a problem.  

A problem yes, impossible no !!  Pick up pub/xntp.hp.tar.Z from louie.udel.edu
and your problems are over.  Mods for the v3 code are in the works also.

  -- Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Problem compiling libg++ version 2.1 on HP 425t HP-UX 8.0
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp 
Summary: Problem during make which has me baffled 
Keywords: HP-UX GNU g++ libg++ gcc
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:17:47 GMT

My enviroment:
	HP 425t
	HP-UX 8.00 with patch PHCO_0800

I have previously compiled gcc 2.2 on this machine with no problems.  

When I type make all (after doing ./comfig hpux) for libg++2.2 it chugs
along, makes libiberty.a ok, then dies with the following messages:

	rm -rf libiberty.a
	ar qc libiberty.a \
	  basename.o getopt.o getopt1.o obstack.o spaces.o concat.o  fdmatch.o argv.o strerror.o strsignal.o getpagesize.o insque.o random.o alloca.o 
	ranlib libiberty.a
ranlib: ar already did it for you, see ar(1).
	rootme=`pwd` ; export rootme; CC="gcc `if [ -f ${rootme}/../gcc/gcc ] ; \
	then echo -I${rootme}/../gcc/include ; \
	else echo ; fi`"; export CC; \
	./utils/gen-params  >tmp-params.h
nm failed to find vt[.$]filebuf in dummy.o!
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

The last file created (libg++/tmp-params.h) looks like this:
/* AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED; DO NOT EDIT! */ 
#ifndef _G_config_h
#define _G_config_h
#define _G_NAMES_HAVE_UNDERSCORE 1


If anyone has succesfully built libg++2.2 under a similar enviroment or can
give me a glue I would greatly appreciate it.
 


-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345 
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:24:16 GMT
Subject: Re: that HPUX ld linker again...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:

> ld: R_DATA_ONE_SYMBOL fixup in file ds_common.o for code unsat symbol "stupid_test" - use P' fixup

If the .o file is created from assembly language, then you need to check out
the "Programming On HP-UX" manual to see how to correctly PIC-ize the code.

If the .o file came from am HP compiler, this may indicate you didn't use the
"+z" or "+Z" option to enable PIC, although the error message in that case is
normally slightly different.  If you did use "+z" or "+Z", then this may be a
bug in the compiler, or perhaps the linker.  I don't work directly on the
700/800 compilers or linker, so I don't know if there are any known problems of
this nature.

One other way I know to generate this error is to somehow force debugging
information into an object file that is otherwise PIC.  Normally, the compiler
drivers disable "-g" when generating PIC, but it is possible to override this
using "-Wx" options.  Also, if an object file is not explicitly compiled PIC,
but happens to contain no absolute address references in its text segment, the
linker will often accept it when building a shared library.  It is conceivable
such an object file might have debugging information and would generate this
error.  Turn off the "-g" when compiling, and add "+z" or "+Z" to be safe.  If
for some reason this cannot be done, adding "-G" to the linker command line
will cause it to ignore debugging information, which is fine, because the
debugger wouldn't have looked at it anyhow.  If spurious debugging information
is your problem, "-G" will make it go away - although you really should find
out how the debugging information got there, and generate the object file in
the supported way - with "+z" or "+Z" and no "-g" - if at all possible.

Note - I think "CC" (C++ compiler) claims it disables "-g" when generating PIC,
but actually doesn't - that may be how you got debugging information in there,
if that is in fact what happened.

--------------
Marc Sabatella (marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com)
Disclaimers:
	2 + 2 = 3, for suitably small values of 2
	Bill (H.) and Dave (P.) may not always agree with me
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: /usr/lib/X11(R4)/config for 9000/700
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:37:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.webIgfK00WBL86V21c
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I've scoured this newsgroup for the answer, but cannot seem to find any:

Does anyone have a copy of the contents of this directory for X11R4 for the
HP. We are running HP-UX 8.02 and this directory seems to be missing from the
workstation even though the X developers's kit is installed. It sorta makes
imakes a little difficult.

Thanks.

Sean McLinden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kniveton@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Andy Kniveton)
Subject: disktab entry for C2247 ( 1 GB internal )
Organization: Motorola LTD
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:29:13 GMT

Does any one have the disktab info for the HP C2247 1 GB disk that fits inside 
the HP9000 / 720-730 range of computers ?

Andy.

BTW for all the UK customers the HP / Apollo hotline number has changed as of 
today its now 0344 366366, our AE had to ask arround the office ;-}
-- 
  _ _ /|  	Andy Kniveton,	Tel No	+44 793 545349
  \'o.O'  	Motorola Ltd,	Fax No	+44 793 541228
  =(___)= 	16 Euro Way,	E-mail	kniveton@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com
     U    	Blagrove, Swindon, 	uunet!motcid!zeus!kniveton
		England, SN5 8YQ.

Has anyone heard the rumors concerning HP's new portable 700 series machine ?

I hear that it is small enough to fit in your pocket and is code named Trouser
snake !
				-- Brian Kelly
From: cba@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Brian Abernathy)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:27:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Kermit on HP3000
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

If you are looking for Kermit, check with INTERACT, the user's group.  They
have Kermit on their Contributed Library tape.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: antoon@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Antoon Frehe)
Subject: How do I convert major/minor combination to a tty device.
Keywords: major minor tty
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 12:27:45 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking for a way to convert a major/minor combination to a string
defining a tty device. Pstat returns information about processes, and one
bit of that information defines the terminal connected to the process.
Is there a routine that will return a tty device from m/m combination?
Maybe there's a routine that will let me communicat with the tty through
the m/m combination.

Alvast bedankt Toon.

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