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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: IBConnectors (Re: Why, Why, WHYYYY?? USE OBJECTIVE-C for IB??)
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:02:12 GMT

Don Yacktman writes
| 
| andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
| > [...]
| 
| Yes, this works, but it would also be nice for IB to do some
| type checking for you.  Imagine an alert panel that pops up...
| "This outlet should be connected to an XYZView or a subclass
| of XYZView.  OK ->"  That could be quite nifty.  Then, when
| you need typechecking, it's available and IB helps in the
| process.  It's really annoying when tracking bugs to discover
| that you biffed and connected an outlet to the wrong thing;
| sometimes it's not obvious that you did so, and some outlets
| really only should be connected to certain types of objects.
| This could be a really nice feature in some cases.  I guess
| the question is, really, how often do these cases appear?  It
| may be that it's not often enough to justify the effort of
| implementing this typechecking.  On the other hand, I've
| wished for it many times myself, so....

Has anyone looked at (or, gasp!, even used) the IBConnectors class?  From the  
documentation in Chapter 8 of the General Reference, it is not clear to me  
whether these methods are active when an initial outlet connection is made  
(although they are used in certain cases where a target object is replaced),  
but this class sounds like the answer to Don's musings.

It seems like the new public Interface Builder protocols have left things wide  
open for a third party to come in and subclass all of the standard NeXT objects  
and improve IB for all of us.  Or am I just reading too much into these  
protocols?  (I'll admit that I haven't had much luck making sense out of the  
new Palette support in 3.0)
-- 
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From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:34:15 GMT

nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes:

>In article <BzB8AC.3pE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ernest F.B. Pena) writes:
>>Are these fonts public domain or shareware? From the names, it seems
>>these are commercial fonts sold by Adobe or ITC or whoever for
>>$150+?

>	I've downloaded them and looked at em, and they do appear to be
>Adobe issue.  I believe Garamond is a very specific font by Adobe, and all
>of them seem to be of REALLY high (read Commercial) quality. 
Nope.  The AFM (Adobe Font Metric) files may be Adobe issue, but the
fonts themselves don't seem to be.  I used the FontLister utility to 
print samples of the Garamond font and compared to Adobe's own
Garamond.  They're similar, certainly, but definitely not the same.
Compare, for example, the glyph 'a'.  It's quite different; the top
edge of the top "loop" of the a on the Adobe font is rounded, while on
the PD font, it's more of a straight line.  Also compare the 'b'; the
bottom of the glyph is much straighter on the PD font; the Adobe font
has a more visible serif.

Still, the quality of these fonts *is* commercial grade.  Maybe
someone could compare the PD garamond to other commercial Garamonds
such as ITC Garamond?
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From: schell@gauss.ece.psu.edu (Stephan Schell)
Subject: Re: NRW- coming soon
Organization: Dept. of Elec. and Comp. Eng., Pennsylvania State University, USA
	<1992Dec16.132918.8472@cyantic.com>
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:26:49

In article <1992Dec16.132918.8472@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes:

   If PA is in the plans for NeXT, I hope either HP or NeXT builds a box
   specifically for NS or one without any HP proprietary gotchyas.  We have
   been working with the HP 9000 800 series for the last few weeks and HP has
   quite a bit to learn about putting a decent OS on what is really some 
   wonderful hardware.  Also, the 700's and 800's are not binary compatible
   due most probably to the multiprocessor architecture of the 800.
   -- 

   Mark T. Dornfeld                              Voice: (416) 234-9048
   CYANTIC Systems                               Facsimile: (416) 234-0477
   101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103                Email: mark@cyantic.com

Having administered a 9000/720 and a 9000/835 that sat on the same table,
I can tell you that the the CPUs _are_ binary compatible.  Indeed, one
can compile something on the new box (720) with an option to not use
one or two new instructions, and the executable will run on the old box
(835).  Also, everything we've compiled on the 835 runs on the 720.
The only exceptions to these observations are due to having version
8.07 of the OS on the 720 and version 7.0 on the 835 (where things like
shared libraries are not implemented).

Also, we have not had any out-of-the-ordinary problems with porting
stuff to either HP.  Many software packages include the appropriate
flags in the makefile for the HPs, and those that don't were typically
easy to fix.
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From: ob@obh.in-berlin.de (Oliver Brandmueller)
Subject: How to power a NeXT-cube-motherboard??? *urgent*
Organization: obh - private bbs in Berlin/Germany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:06:49 GMT

Hi,

can anyone please tell me where to put +/- 12 V, +5 V and GND on an
old 68030 NeXTcube motherboard? I've seen something on the bus, but
I think it should be possible with these 8 pins between the bus-con-
nector and the SIMM modules.

Can anyone mail me the answer?! *please*

Bye, Olli


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From: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang)
Subject: Is the wait over? Upcoming NeXT CD-ROM drive
Reply-To: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:02:03 GMT


Hi,

	For those of you like me waiting for the 3.0 CD-ROM bundle for  
almost 4 months, are you getting your NeXT CD-ROM drive now? Will NeXT  
start shipping them in quantity tomorrow Dec-14th???

g
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From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT. - Performance mesurement
Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 07:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.205422.746@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker  
Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
[...]
> MIPS for computer chips is just as meaningless as revs/min is for
> car engines, especially if they are claimed by intel.

True.

[...]
> Never trust anything before SPECint92/SPECfp92 (not that they are
> especially trustworthy...).

Not really. For example on superscalar processors (SPARC) this isn't a good
test, either.

[some good comments which I can agree with deleted...]

One thing I will never understand:
People tend to "measure" their cars in terms of horsepower and speed,
their houses in squaremeters, their girlfriends in (...) ... and
finally their computers in terms of "MIPS".

As a statistican once said: "We don't know what to measure and why --
but we do a damn good job on it!"

But "performance" and "usability" is a much more complex topic.
Terms as functionality, integrity, robustness and psychologic
impacts are MUCH more relevant to it as any speed. For example I work
MUCH more productive (objectively) on my NeXT as I do on a big MVS
system or even a DEC. (Though they are much "faster") Of course
sometimes I am waiting for my NeXT (at the moment my swapfile is about
60 MByte big) and some jobs require a higher speed (Mathematica,
rendering and some other jobs) -- but who of us really needs that?

Most of the time my system is waiting for me -- not vice versa.

You always need the right tool for the right purpose. Same with cars. A
friend drives a Porsche 928 Cabrio -- quite fast car with many HP -- but
once you had to sit in the back you start hating it. No family car. (And
in the US you couldn't even drive it fast...)

	Just my impression, Gerhard.
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From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: ksh
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:55:08 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <Bz9voD.AF@research.canon.oz.au> andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes:
>fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>>
>>Get BASH (Bourne Again SHell), the GNU version of ksh with lots of csh
>>niceties and other good stuff. I've used it as login shell on Sun's
>>and NeXT for years, and it's truly the best shell available.
>
>BASH is quite usable but is also very large. A quick comparison on my
>machine shows it using four times as much memory NeXT's /bin/sh.
>You've got to ask yourself if its worth it...

Have you possibly neglected to strip bash?

259[~]% ls -l /usr/local/bin/bash /bin/sh
-rwxr-xr-x  2 root      122880 Jul 21 06:16 /bin/sh*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root      221184 Oct  5 11:28 /usr/local/bin/bash*
260[~]% bash -version
bash -version
GNU bash, version 1.12.1
-- 

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From: jsw@microunity.com (Jeff Weinstein)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Distribution: world
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:15:15 GMT

In article <1gbh7hINNn7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver (The Weeniehead)) writes:
> 	Also, the r4000 is a nice chip, (64 bit processor and everthing,
> although it's pinouts make it look like a real porcupine), but is SGI
> letting it out?  SGI owns Mips now, and so they effectively controll the
> supply of the r4000.  Is there currently ANY non-sgi machine that uses the
> r4000?

  This is absolutely untrue.  R4000's are neither made by or sold by mips/sgi.
They are manufactured by several semiconductor partners in Japan, US and Europe.
You can buy them directly from any of the manufacturers.

	--Jeff

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Any opinions expressed above are mine.
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.113539.25552@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
>PA is really killer, but Pentium already has better name recognition
>than PA, and it's not even out yet!  Sure, unix weenies like you and I
>know about PA, but most of the people NeXT is trying to sell computers


	Funny you should mention name recognition.  I just got 
	back from the hospital (had to get an MRI done on my knee--
	"Does this hurt?" "OwOwOwOwOw!!!" "Well, there's nothing
	on the X-rays.. Take these pills and go get an MRI done")
	and while I was waiting (phew, I still have wiffs of 
	Odor de hospital) I was browsing through the regular
	cheesy magazines that doctors have (you know, Time, people, 
	all about 5 months out of date...) and I came across
	a 5 page (really, 10, if you count both sides) insert
	(nice, glossy paper) from HP!

	True, most of it was about their new PC prices 
	(not bad--cheap 486's are here to stay) and the new
	LJ4 (*excellent*--buy one *right now*) but there was
	a 1/2 a page on the PA.  It was really toned down
	(none of this, "super fast new.." stuff) but it was
	there.

	Wish I knew what mag it was..


>perhaps that's one of the reasons why NS486 is going to be a smashing
>sucess compared to NeXTstations.


	I like the stations, it's too bad they're only slightly (memory)
	more expandable than the 128k mac a friend of mine has sitting in
	his closet.



-- 
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	Nuclear redevelopment for a better world!
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From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: Mail buttons stop working
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:34:10 GMT

Since upgrading to 3.0, I've had an intermittent problem in which
the Delete, Compose, Mailboxes, and Find buttons (as well as the
arrow buttons) occasionally cease to function in Mail.app.  Nothing
at all happens when I try to click on them.  I have to restart
mail, and then everything's fine again.

Anyone else have this?  Anyone know why?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: timothy@eddie.rmNUG.org
Subject: Mail notification of incoming faxes?
Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:44:12 GMT

I haven't been getting mail notifications of incoming faxes, but  
yesterday I got a notification. I can't tell what changed to enable  
this behavior. Could someone enlighten me.

Tim
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US WEST Advanced Technologies
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From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Wanted: App to preview fonts without installing them.
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:41:32 PST


[1] Is there an  application that would  allow me to preview fonts  without
having to install them first?

	<further>

[2] Is there a way to  store fonts I use once  a year in a lower-level font
chooser?

[3] Are there other good monospaced fonts that work with  Terminal, Stuart,
etc.?

/ivo welch
From: scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch (Marco Scheurer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Sun can't print NeXT PostScript
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:56:07 GMT
Reply-To: scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch

From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
> 
>    I mailed a PostScript file (created on a NeXT) to a Sun. 
>    The Sun can display the ps, but they can't print it with a 
>    Sun ps printer.
> 
>    Any ideas?

I have the same problem. A Sun ps printer (SPARCPrinter) is not a PostScript  
printer (of course not, they would have had to pay some royalties). They use  
their own clone interpreter, which has bugs. I ve been told that these bugs are  
corrected in the last version of NeWSprint/NeWSprint interpreter (sorry, I  
don t know the version number).
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From: sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer)
Subject: Re: Why, Why, WHYYYY?? USE OBJECTIVE-C for IB??
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:04:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

jake@skatter.usask.ca wrote:
: From article <1fg7kqINNi29@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, by isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell):
: > 
: > 
: > What Edit needs is emacs' CM-b and CM-f functionality to conveniently jump to
: > the start and end of a bracketed clause so that those starting brackets can be
: > easily inserted.
: > -- 
: > 
: > Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
:  What Edit needs is to be able to interpret elisp.
: 
: jake
: 
: --

What NeXTstep needs is an independent USER AGENT object that sits outside
of any and all programs, accepts commands in some suitable language, and
executes them.  If the language happened to be elisp, then that set of
capabilities could be extracted from emacs.  Emacs could still use it to
work exacctly the way it works now.  Edit could use it.  NeXTMail could
use it.  All god's chillun could use it.

   USER AGENT  USER AGENT  USER AGENT  USER AGENT  USER AGENT  USER AGENT

-- 
Lee Sailer

					- Let's leave my employer
					  out of this, OK?
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From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT.
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:37:53 GMT

In article <1go1j6INN2dq@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes:
>
>>> But which chip they choose is very important and not an easy decision!
>
>Is it all that important?  Especially considering the ease with which
>applications are being ported to NeXTstep 486?  And considering their
>insanely-great production line that can be reprogrammed in no time?
>There's no problem with coming out with a different processor every
>year.  Your distributed executables might start to get a little large,
>but there would be some utility to keep only the part for your machine
>so it wouldn't clog up your hard disk.

On a technical level, it isn't important.  All of the major RISC
architectures (R4000, PA, Alpha, SPARC) are good, and NeXT can make
NeXTSTEP scream on any of them.  Also, users and even programmers
shouldn't care what processor is in the box (except for byte-order in
the case of programmers).

BUT, for some reason users do care.  That's why choosing a processor
should be a marketing decision.


andrew
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From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: emacs-18.59 pkg for NeXT posted
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:34:28 GMT
	<1992Dec13.184747.6306@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Distribution: comp
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In-reply-to: gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu's message of 13 Dec 92 18:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.184747.6306@zip.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes:

> Right, but not until Emacs 3.0 is able to display 8-bit chars.

Just wait a few more days...

Michael

PS: NeXT has *my* permission to ship Emacs.app with NeXTSTEP.
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From: steved@bankone.com
Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!)
Reply-To: steved@bankone.com
Organization: Bank One, Columbus NA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:43:38 GMT

There have been numerous posts about font installation, most centering on the  
old afm, bitmap, and outline directories.  I've been having some problems with  
Frame 3.01 and thought you might find the following email from Frame  
interesting.  I haven't gone back to the old style directories, though...


> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:37:47 PST From: ngt@frame.com
> (Nancy Taylor) To: steved@bullwinkle.bankone.com
> Subject: FM 3.01 for NeXT Cc: ngt@frame.com
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Font Problems We use more font information than other
> applications. We rely on more font resources than other
> applications
> 
> The NeXT does not have the same fonts as other platforms.
> The fonts are provided by NeXT All versions of FrameMaker
> should support Adobe Type 1 PostScript fonts and are not
> stored in FrameMaker. Example Bookman.This is a
> limitation from the NeXT Co. The fonts must be kept in the
> NeXT library not in your home directory or this will hang
> up or crash the system. For networking put them in a local
> library.
> NeXT/Arachnid/3.0.1/FrameMaker.app/fminit.20/fontdir
> he "new" style of font installation only requires that
> the font directory contain an afm file (e.g.,
> Courier-Bold.font/Courier-Bold.afm); it doesn't
> require the presence of afm/Courier-Bold.afm,
> although all NeXT-supplied fonts have them for backward
> compatibility. However, fonts from outside vendors
> typically don't have the afm/*.afm files, and
> FrameMaker has been having trouble with these. To fix:
> make sure that each font has an afm/<fontname>.afm file
> symbolically linked to its
> <fontname>.font/<fontname>.afm. . I hope this
> information will be of help.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Nancy Taylor Frame Technical Support 
> 

Steve
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From: andras@well.sf.ca.us (Andrew Raskin)
Subject: Re: NeXT/Sun bbs
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:29:38 GMT


I don't know all the ins and outs of NeXT's and bbss, the only one that I know
about that has been around for a while is MindVox which runs on a NeXT Turbo &
a Sun Sparcstation2, or did. They are 212-988-5030 or telnet phantom.com to
check it out. 

But *WARNINGS* 

One its a commerical service, its not free.

Two its not a generic kind of "public access unix" they've gone from going up to
over 1,000 members and being in Mondo and this weeks FORBES cover story, there
are wall to wall hackers, ex-hackers, security people, writers from the
cyberpunk movement, etc, hanging out there and there is a *LOT* of attitude
present. 

Three, with the attitude thing, they are also really obnoxious about some
things, when MindVox first went up they found a lot of security holes in the
NeXT platforms, some of them have been patched in NS3.0, some haven't, but there
are a lot of people there who used to be in the underground and run/ran security
mailing lists (Splinter, Zardoz, Inner Core), etc, Cypherpunk guys, etc,etc,
it's not a great place to show up if you want to feel secure about your network,
because there are a lot of people there who will be happy to show you it's swiss
cheese.

For what its worth, they are either taking the NeXT offline next year, or just
moving it back on the network and the main server is becoming a Sun
Sparcstation10 ;-)


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