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From: joee@cabezon.uucp (Joe Eckardt)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Snoqualmie        , WA Train Yard?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:19:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug20.181920.8666
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Aug19.132334.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>
>I was just there a couple of weeks ago.  We rode the train, which I sadly
>must admit was not fun at all.  The equipment was in bad shape, the cars
>overcrowded, and worst of all, it was being pulled by a diesal!!!  I'm
>not sure If they're running the steam engines anymore at all (Anyone?).
>


When I took the (very disappointing) trip about a year ago, I had the opportunity
to asked one of the "employees" about the state of the equipment, in particular
the backfiring diesel.  I was told that the steam engine they had been using had
broken down about a year before and that they had no expectations of every getting
it running again.

Considering how bad the diesel was running and how delapidated all the equipment
was looking, I'm surprised it's still running now.

		Joe Eckardt
		Logic Modeling Corporation 
		(formally Logic Automation Incorporated)

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From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Death Announcement: SEPTA Trolleys in North Philadelphia
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:47:02 GMT

In article <86217@netnews.upenn.edu> sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) writes:
|As of yesterday (8/13/92), it's official:  the world's longest trolley line
|will be no more.

   When?
                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET (Dr. Lutz Massonne)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Swiss Railroad Questions
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:38:34 GMT
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany

If you leave the Glacier express at Chur, you will miss the Albula line
which includes some spectacular views - at one point you can see the
railway line loops below for three times.
I think the Chur-St.Moritz part is definitely worth staying on.
From St.Moritz the Bernina line should also not be missed - great
views of Glaciers and Mountain tops.
If you don't want to go the whole Bernina line, disembark at
Alp Gruem station. This station is only accessible by rail and
has a spectacular view (and a Restaurant with a nice balcony).

You can also take some short walks from there if you don't mind using
your legs :-).

Reservations on the Glacier express are essential if you want to use the
diner car (famous for its "tilt base" wine glasses, adjusted to the
steep cog wheel sections of the track).
In the "normal" cars there should be no problem.

Other recommendations for Switzerland:

Interlaken is a nice base to do some mountain railroading: The famous
Jungfrau railway is around (*very* touristy and expensive), the
Rothorn cog railway is a definite MUST (the only steam operated cog
railway in Switzerland, they bought a brand new steam engine this year,
the first steam engines constructed in Switzerland since ages (a batch
of three locomotives, built by SLM for cog railways in Switzerland
and Austria, incorporating some technical features new to steam engine
engineering).
Try to take a trip on the steamboat on Lake Brienz with its "art deco"
restaurant (there are combined steamboat/steam train trips from Interlaken to
the Rothorn summit).

Enough rambling (I wish I could make holidays there soon ...)

Lutz
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From: joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,ba.transportation,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Cost of transit systems vs highways
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:38:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <1992Aug13.031357.28165@mercury.cair.du.edu> tkoppel@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Ted Koppel) writes:
>  MARTA will eventually move into Cobb, Gwinnett, and other Atlanta counties,
>  but it won't be easy.  It may take another fuel crisis, or some other
>  cathartic event .... but eventually it will happen.

Don't bet on it.  At least not in your lifetime.  BART sounds like the
San Francisco Bay Area's version of MARTA.  It was voted in by 3 counties
about 25 years ago.  Two other local counties voted it down then, and
have still not bought into it.  Based on how much BART costs, I doubt
either of them ever will.  Basically you pay a billion dollars to get
one train line.  What's the point?  You could by dozens, if not hundreds
of mile of freeway for that price, and more people would use it.

Joshua Levy  (joshua@veritas.com)
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Tehachapi Re:  High Speed Rail in Southern California
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:04:49 GMT

John Mosbarger writs:

> Ah, yes, Tehachapi.  One of the top ten Sacred Shrines of Western States
> Railfandom :-).

In that respect, John qualifies this properly as "Western States".  I guess
there are similar wonders in other states.  I for one have shrines in the
Alps where double loops stacked entirely in tunnels are found on the
Gotthard on both slopes and helical tunnels are common in the mountains as
a whole.  Traffic on these double track lines like the Lotschberg, Simplon,
and Gotthard is as dense or more so in both directions as on Tehachapi.
Alas, it doesn't make much noise being electric.

With tracks on both sides of granite canyons with looping tracks and trains
traveling in both directions, it is difficult to know which way a train is
traveling and where it ought to appear next after entering a tunnel.  Even
the Furka pass cogwheel line has a loop with cog at what I recall as 12%
grade in a minimum radius tunnel.  This, to me, is one of the great scenes
especially with steam which one day will rule the hill when the whole line
is restored.

The Albula pass RhB meter gauge line has both loop tunnels and bridges as
well as the most photographed curved stone arch bridge that ends in a
vertical granite wall at the Landwasser river.  On the south side is the
also oft photographed Brusio loop that rises at 7% adhesion with the
crossover on a high stone arch bridge.

There is more, much much more.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Amtrak train from Chicago to Florida planned?
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:42:47 GMT

debbie@b11.b11.ingr.com (Deborah Spencer) writes:

>I heard recently that Amtrak was planning to have a train that runs from
>Chicago to somewhere in Florida (Tampa/Miami), that would go through
...

I don't have any details, but I have heard rumblings that the old
Charleston-Cincinnati(-Chicago?) line might be refurbished and
restarted.  I have heard this in reference to Asheville, NC getting
back on line, so the old train probably went through that city.
Can anyone provide details on the route of the old line I am 
describing?  I imagine the Saluda grade might present a problem
with running a line northward from Charleston to Cincinnati,
but above that, the trip would be spectacular scenery-wise.  The
old Clinchfield line is a beautiful route, and it seems to me
that that would be a feasible way to run between Spartanburg, SC
and Elkhorn City, KY.  Connecting the cities of Charleston, 
Columbia and Spartanburg would link SC's three main urban areas
as well as the two NY-FL Silver Service lines and the NY-NO
Crescent line.  Of course, the potential Atlanta-Savannah 
connection might well prove more feasible, because of the 
peripheral tourism accompanying the Olympics and because that 
would route the line roughly through middle Tennessee, an area
which has no passenger service at all.  I'm biased, but I'd like
to see a Charleston-Columbia-Greenville/Spartanburg-Asheville-
Knoxville-Lexington-Cincinnati...I'll keep dreaming.

Actually, I'd like to see passenger trains connecting every city of 
even modest regional importance...

>I heard this from one of the operators at the depot railroad museum
>in Cowan, Tennessee, which is on one of the main north/south CSX lines,
>which continues on south through Stevenson, Alabama.

The Clinchfield system is now owned by CSX as well.  I was under the
impression that CSX was not particularly disposed to providing 
passenger service.  I thought they were more interested in moving
leaky toxic waste containers all over the country...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Rail Access to Airports
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:29:54 +0000

In article <1992Aug13.234628.16835@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:


>London: Heathrow Airport
>
>	London subway

        That's *London Underground* :-) Ride is about 80 minutes,
        stopping everywhere. It's a drag but still the best way to get
        to Heathrow.

        Also a proposed heavy-rail line to London Paddington, and
        ultimately through London in a new tunnel. Should be built by
        1994 if you believe the planners ;-)

London Gatwick Airport

        Main line express service to London Victoria. Every 15 minutes
        (hourly at night). Journey time 30 minutes non-stop. Also local
        trains.


London Stanstead

        Main line express service to London Liverpool Street (don't know
        the frequency) and to the Midlands and North of England.


Birmingham Airport

        Connected by short maglev system to Birmingham International
        main line station on the London-Birmingham line for express and
        local trains.


Luton Airport :-) (you have to be British ...)

        Bus to Luton main-line station for fast suburban service to
        London and main-line trains to the Midlands. Dunno frequency.


Manchester Airport

        I have to admit I don't know whether the proposed heavy-rail
        link to Manchester city centre is open yet or not. Anyone else ?


Paris Charles de Gaulle

        Fast heavy-rail service from Paris (forget which station -
        perhaps Gare de Lyons ?). Reasonably frequent.



Nick Leverton
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From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Opps...Link GIF's posted to a.b.p.m.
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:23:42 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Aug21.183046.4436@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.132233.8607@tellab5.tellabs.com> dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy) writes:
>>I forgot to say that these were posted to
>>alt.binaries.pictures.misc. , just in case
>>we have some newer viewers out there...
>>
>>Dan
> Dan
>        On what node is alt.bin....   stored.  I have gotten link GIF's
> off of wuarchive but I do NOT know where alt.bin...  repository is.
> 
> Please help a little more.  

alt.binaries.pictures.misc is another noew group, just like this one, only
it's an "alt" group, which don't have the requirements like a regular news
group, consequently, many places don't have access to, or limited access
to alt groups (where I'm at doesn't have any access to alt groups)
I believe they are usually posted in uuencoded format, which looks like
bunches of characters, but can be mailed, extracted, looked at, etc.
most unix systems, and some others have uuencoders and decoders, all you
do is say uudecode <filename> after extracting it, and it should create
the file you need.

Hope this helps,

Fred Ochs

31OCHS@gw.wmich.edu   (VAX)
ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (UNIX)

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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Rail Access to Airports
Date: 20 Aug 1992 15:55:30 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com


|> 	American cities do not fare nearly as well.  Of these, only
|> Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Cleveland have direct rail access
|> to the airport terminals; Washington, DC (National only), Oakland,
|> Boston, and San Jose require a short bus ride,

If you don't have lots of luggage, it is perfectly reasonable
to walk between the Metro station and Washington National Airport.
(I've done it several times.)

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: British Columbia Railroad
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:10:40 GMT

In article <14440@mindlink.bc.ca> Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
> One of the better ones is an open-air observation which used to
>regularly be the tail-end car on the Hudson excursion.  

Yup, that open car is great, it is near the tail end on the way out to
Squamish, and near the head end on the way back. For a steam fan like
me it brings back old memories of riding around on steam powered
trains in India many years ago, specially when going through a tunnel
with the Royal Hudson huffing an puffing away right next to the open
car, with the car filling up rapidly with smoke and soot! Fortunately,
the Royal Hudson is an oil burner, so the soot is not as severe as in
a coal burner. That locomotive is in real great shape. I got a short
ride on it while it was backing up to hook onto the train at Squamish.
Very friendly engine crew. Had a long discussion with them about other
Hudsons, and the Pennsy K4's and M1's, and also about the Indian WP
Class. Had a great time! Too bad they won't be running when I'm in
Vancouver again in October.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com



Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Rail Access to Airports
Summary: Vienna (Austria)
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:09:32 GMT

In article <3349@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren) writes:

  [discussion of other aiport rail links deleted ... ]

> Vienna (Austria, not Virginia :-) Schwechat Airport is supposed to have con-
> venient rail connection to the city-centre; and Munich's new Strauss Air-
> port is also supposed to have S-Bahn connections.  Haven't tried 'em
> yet.
> --
> Don
> dgs1300@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (guest on this account)


The airport in Vienna does indeed have a rail connection --
accessible via a reasonably short walk directly from the main
terminal (down a long escalator).  I've used the connection on a
number of trips to Vienna.  The airport is served by electric MU
sets normally, though on one occasion, the ride was on an older
diesel MU -- apparently a replacement for one of the electric 
trains.

Whether the connection is "convenient" in terms of scheduling is
another question.  The latest schedule I have (from last year)
shows trains on about an hourly frequency most of the day.

There's been a long debate going on in which the Austrian railways
said they would increase frequency, if they got more ridership --
there are also bus and other connections available -- and others have
said that more people would ride if the trains were more frequent.

This is very much a secondary line, though it does serve some
commuters, too.  It may see some upgrades, since the opening up 
of the East European countries has led to increased traffic on 
many of the lines east and north of Vienna.  (The airport is 
east of Vienna, with the two most heavily used mainlines out of
Vienna being to the west and southwest.)  Getting from the airport
to either of the two main stations requires at least a change of
train from the airport line, or a change to the subway system.

Interestingly enough, when the King of Jordan goes skiing in western
Austria, he does fly into Vienna and take the train.  Of course,
he charters his own train -- usually a 1044 electric with just two
or three cars -- which takes him directly to his destination.  No
waiting around for an airport train for him.

-- Ernest

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: Signal/communication technology
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:06:40 GMT

haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:

>When I was in Arkansas last year there was a lot of signal work and
>track repair being done on the Union Pacific, formerly Missouri Pacific
>line.  This year the work seemed to be all finished.  I noticed that
>there is no longer a pole line alongside the tracks.  So what are they
>using for signal communication these days?  Buried wire? Buried fiber?
>I also noticed some trackside equipment cabinets had poles with little
>Yagi antennas on the top, looked like maybe 1GHz frequency.  Is this
>using radio for signal communication?  Or cellular phone? Or something
>else?

Modern signal installations use some sort of coded track circuit system
to transmit track occupancy indications through the rails.  This eliminates
the need for pole lines.  Pole lines have high maintenance costs,
particularly in areas with severe winter weather.

At locations having switches and signals controlled by CTC, the dispatcher
commands need to be transmitted to the field location from the control
office and the indications (i. e., the state of the switches and signals)
must be transmitted from the field to the control office.  Leased telephone
lines is one method and radio is another.  With the latter method,
transmission is via microwave to a receiver near the controlled locations
and the data is then retransmitted at a different frequency between 
microwave base and the individual field control points nearby.  This
may explain the antennas you saw.

The Illinois Central normally uses its microwave network for CTC
operation, as described above.  However, each CTC shanty in the field is
equipped with a dial-in line that can be used as a backup in the event of
a microwave outage.
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Cost of transit systems vs highways
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:41:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <Bt91vC.1Cr@teleride.on.ca> stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.193120.10862@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>In article <Bt4w40.4x5@teleride.on.ca> stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb) writes:
>>>All freeways have done is divide and destroy living, working neighbourhoods
>>>in the inner city, contributing to unemployment and the associated increased
>>>violence.

>>Interesting conjecture.  Would you care to match your sweeping
>>generalization up with the last few years of development in the San
>>Ramon Valley?
>
>Most suburban developments since the 1950's have been at the expense of the
>downtown and inner-city neighbourhoods.

			..................

>Mind you, this kind of vicious circle started with interurbans (a kind of
>streetcar/commuter train hybrid), before the freeway fad.

You are assuming that the downtowns and inner cities are worth preserving.
I consider them an anachronism, set up by the unavailability of decent
transportation and communication.  

One reason given for the concentration of banks in the tip of Manhattan
was the need to move the money from one bank to another.  The NYSE arose
because of the problems of quick communication between stockbrokers.  The
ladies' garment industry needed to move goods from one establishment to
another.

But even in the large cities, the trend to local department stores, and
eventually malls, started by the 1930s.  Supermarkets also arose at this
time, as did drive-in restaurants, etc.  What allowed the supermarkets
was not so much the automobile as the electric refrigerator.

Long distance telephone is now often cheaper than writing, and email already
has replaced much use of paper.  The need for the central cities is essentially
over.  Let the urban congestion die a natural death, instead of making everyone
pay through the nose to keep it going.

-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Channel Tunnel status?
Keywords: channel tunnel chunnel
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:30:33 GMT


I haven't seen or heard anything on the status of the Channel Tunnel
lately and wouldn't mind getting some updated information on the
tunnel itself and related work in England and France.  What's the
latest projected date for the formal opening?  Have any plans for
opening ceremonies been announced yet?

So, those of you in Europe, what's the latest word?  Thanks.

-- Ernest

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                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
From: newsq@Ampex.COM (Stan Busby)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: rules for locomotive horns
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:17:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ampex.1992Aug20.001722.6964
Distribution: na
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA

I have a need to know the rules for honking locomotive
horns at protected grade crossings or in cities.  I already
know California rules, but need to know about other places.
Email, pls to newsq@ampex.com