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From: susumu@octel.com (Susumu Agari)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: where can I get good lox?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:53:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Octel Communications Corporation


howdy,

   does anyone know where I can get good lox?  I called around a couple
of places and found the following, but have no idea on the quality:

	race street in mountain view:  $14 a pound
	fish market in palo alto:      $20 a pound

we're having a small gathering next week and rather than just waltz into
a place and buy a couple of pounds, I'd like to get some recommendations.
(I don't mind driving but it would be more convenient if the place
were in san francisco, san mateo, or santa clara county).

I will summarize the responses.

thanks!

susumu

susumu@octel.com
(408) 321-5301
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From: jim@baroque.Stanford.EDU (James Helman)
Subject: Good French Food Is Back
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:08:35

La Gare (a family run restaurant at the old Burlingame
Broadway train station) just reopened.  The food there
leaves other moderately-priced French restaurants like
Le Pot au Feu and Alouette in the dust.

Good seafood.  Wonderful soups.  Die-for profiterols and
delicious poached pears.

The sauces are sometimes innovative, but always come
through.  JimBob says check it out.

-jim

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From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: (New) Chinese in Mountain View
Keywords: n
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:17:48 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California


I'd like to put in a good word for Grand China, on El Camino on the
Losa Altos side just north of Rengstorff. It is especially good
for weekend dim sum, but the regular menu dishes are good too.

Valerie Maslak
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Berkeley Wedding Reception
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:19:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

In article <26959@sybase.sybase.com> borisc@sybase.com (Boris Chen) writes:
>
>Speaking about wedding receptions, does anyone have any suggestions
>for the Berkeley area? Somewhere inexpensive (e.g. none of the
>places on the Marina), yet nice.  Preferably somewhere we can use
>our own catering.

One place possibly fitting this description is the
tasting room in that Sake factory there
off of fourth street not far from Brennan's / Spengers...

Going from memory, for something like $300 they say they will provide
free sake for up to 50 people for several hours.  And you
can have a caterer bring in food (I would recommend Lalime's for
this, BTW; or you could stick with the theme and cater
in sushi...).

There are two drawbacks: (1) because they are a winery, you
cannot bring in any other alcohol and (2) they will
only do this during hours their tasting room is
normally closed.

(1) might be a knockout factor if like most people 
you envision having a little Champagne for your reception...

Steve
From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: (New) Chinese in Mountain View
Keywords: n
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:01:50 GMT
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

My SO and I were lamenting the lack of great Chinese food last night.
He'd gotten disappointing takeout from Su Hong, and thinks their
food has gone downhill recently.  About the only restaurant we could
agree that was still good was the Little Garden.  I still like Hunan
Home's, though.

I can't think of a single Castro Street Chinese restaurant I like.
Kirin isn't too bad.

Charleen

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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: where can I get good lox?
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.205353.6099@octel.com> susumu@octel.com (Susumu Agari) writes:
>
>   does anyone know where I can get good lox?  I called around a couple
>of places and found the following, but have no idea on the quality:

I've never gotten it there, but Molly Stone's in Palo Alto
has lox and other Jewish foods that look awfully good. That's
where I'd go if I wanted to buy lox.



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From: akkana@moab.wpd.sgi.com (Akkana Peck)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Ikenohana (was Re: New Chinese in Mountain View)
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:28:03 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: moab.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec16.232447.23872@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>Next time go to Ikenohana in Cupertino and you'll never go back to
>the east coast. Just belly up to the sushi bar and tell Howard (it

I used to think that, but the last time I went to Ikenohana (about a
month ago) I had the worst experience I've had in a long time.  The
service was slow and the waitress barely spoke English.  I wanted to
know what was in the sashimi dinner (I like fish but dislike octopus,
so call me a wimp).  It took several repetitions to get her to seem to
understand the question, then she answered "Hamachi, maguro and [mumble]".
I asked her to repeat ("Hamachi, maguro and what?") and she nodded
vigorously and said "Hamachi, maguro", and after a few repetitions of this
I decided that I'd been mistaken about the [mumble].  Time passed; then
one salad and one bowl of soup arrived.  My partner and I both expected
soup and salad (my fault -- hadn't read the menu carefully), but it
took six visits from two different waiters before we got this
straightened out.  When the sashimi finally arrived, it was an assortment
including hamachi, maguro, mackerel, octopus and a couple other items
(mostly stuff I don't like).  The sashimi was mediocre (even the types
that I do like).  I had to ask for rice separately (I think this was
supposed to come with the dinner, she just forgot to bring it).  

I didn't mind Ikenohana's inflated prices when I got decent service,
relatively elegant atmosphere and above-average food, but after this
thoroughly unpleasant experience I don't plan to go back -- a scenic
fish pond isn't enough to compensate for poor food and service.

Admittedly, Curtis is recommending the sushi bar, where my bad experience
was at a table.  I've only eaten at Ikenohana's sushi bar once, and the
food was quite good, though very expensive and we didn't get any of the
personal attention or occasional free goodies that most sushi bars offer.

	...Akkana
From: borisc@sybase.com (Boris Chen)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Berkeley Wedding Reception
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:53:51 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Thanks for all the responses, they are most all being looked into. 

I wanna kinda expand on my original request, and ask for ALL good wedding
reception ideas in the Berkeley area (obvious choices have been looked
into: Berkeley Marriott, H's Lordships), preferably something lower
priced than the above mentioned "obvious choices."


Thanks!!

--borisc
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Ravioli
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:56:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.020215.2830@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
}In article <1gt5bpINN5fv@male.EBay.Sun.COM> richardg@cheesewiz.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
}>
}>Ok, I'm a man with a mission. Where can I get OUTSTANDING cheese
}>ravioli in the Palo Alto area? As a reference standard, I want to use
}>ravioli from the Pastosa Ravioli Store in Brooklyn. Come on, there must
}
}Here we go again!  The "The food in <insert New York or Chicago here>
}is better than the food in California" theme.
}
}Richard, it'll never happen.  What you want is the cheese ravioli
}you got at Pastosa's Ravioli Store.  It ain't here.  This is 
}Californai.  That was New York.  Go back to New York.  Visit Pastosa's
}Ravioli Store.  It'll be great.  NOTHING in California will even
}come close.

Hold on. As one who has in the past violently chastised people for
whining about not being able to find food exactly like somewhere else,
and one who has a special loathing for whiny New Yorkers (that's why
I married a non-whiny one), I beg to differ here. The guy is just asking
if there are any other displaced New Yorkers who know exactly the kind
of food he is looking for and can recommend something damned close.
That's why he specified the New York particular as a "reference standard."
I see nothing wrong with this, unless he comes back and whines about
how great the ravioli is in New York and wonders how we can possibly
live without it.

Even if he does *that*, I'll still have to feel very mildly guilty as I
gleefully flame him to cinders -- I don't understand how a metropolitan
area of 5 million+ people lives without a single real Greek taverna.
I'm not even after anything real specific like the ravioli request,
just a somewhat taverna-like atmosphere and a place that serves upper-
scale Greek wines and the basic dishes (of which the core I'm used
to is about 15-20, not just gyros, moussaka, and avogolemo) with maybe
a nightly special or two.

Sure wish I was Greek or had the cojones to perfect my Greek cooking
skills. I could make a fortune here!

Anyway, Curtis-Bob sez: Cut the guy some slack until he *proves* he's a
typical whiny New York jerk who should go back there immediately  ;-)
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From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Shadowbrook in Capitola...
Keywords: need opinions...
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:03:55 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:

> In article <184438@pyramid.pyramid.com> rrosen@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Randy
> >
> >I'm celebrating my birthday on Friday, and a friend recommended the 
> >Shadowbrook in Capitola.

> My vote: blech.
> 
> It's a wonderfully romantic restaurant, especially if you can get one of
> their little 2-person nooks.

I was always curious about the table-for-two placed on the stairwell.  I
once passed a couple seemingly engrossed in one another despite heavy
pedestrian traffic at their elbows.  I wondered why someone would pay
those prices for no better ambience than any movie lobby would offer.
You have to stress you want a table by a window, or they'll stick you
anywhere.  The hostess was a bit miffed with us once for substandard
enthusiasm with our table.  "You have to tell us in advance if you don't
want the closet," she informed us.

That's not a great exaggeration, actually.

It's scenic - you can look out on Soquel Creek - and it's folksy, woven
onto a wooded creekbank and all, and it's where you take out-of-town
relatives for an occasion, I would think, but the draw is the scenery
rather than the groceries.

It was our local `dress-up'diner, but that choice has moved higher up in
the hills overlooking the Bay, to Chaminade, nowadays...

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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Ravioli
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:02:15 GMT

In article <1gt5bpINN5fv@male.EBay.Sun.COM> richardg@cheesewiz.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Ok, I'm a man with a mission. Where can I get OUTSTANDING cheese
>ravioli in the Palo Alto area? As a reference standard, I want to use
>ravioli from the Pastosa Ravioli Store in Brooklyn. Come on, there must

Here we go again!  The "The food in <insert New York or Chicago here>
is better than the food in California" theme.

Richard, it'll never happen.  What you want is the cheese ravioli
you got at Pastosa's Ravioli Store.  It ain't here.  This is 
Californai.  That was New York.  Go back to New York.  Visit Pastosa's
Ravioli Store.  It'll be great.  NOTHING in California will even
come close.
From: skchin@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu (Mystic)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Strawberry pies
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:44:14 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <148320001@hpindda.cup.hp.com> orum@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Jeff Orum) writes:
>Try Bakers Square.  They have been advertising fresh strawberry pies.

Baker's Square has always had fresh strawberry pies...all year round.
  What they never seem to have is that strawberry supreme(?) pie... :(

 
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: (New) Chinese in Mountain View
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:13:43 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
In-reply-to: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 17 Dec 92 23:44:28 GMT


>You're the third person I've talked to or read from recently
>who's praised Chef Chu's. Am I the only person who thinks
>they have terrible food?

Chef Chu's has highly variable quality.   Sometimes it's good, other
times it's mediocre.   It's never great.   If you want great, go to
Mandarin Gourmet in Palo Alto.

BTW, I'm curious - I don't know of *any* decent chinese places on
Castro - Tien Fu recently disappointed me, and Szechwan Garden is
always a disappointment, although some of my meat-eating friends like
it.   I'd really love to find a place like China Delight in Mt. View
(I'm not foolish enough to hold out for a Mandarin Gourmet).

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From: ted@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Ted Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 21:07:42 GMT
Subject: which Campbell soups are recalled?
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: ba.food

Does anyone know *which* Campbell soup flavors are being recalled (due to
possible glass fragments)?  Were any of the Chunky seris affected?
Unfortunately the soup cans don't have an 800 #, so I can't call to find out.

Thanks

-Ted
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Ravioli
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.161425.1237@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
}OK  I was having a bad day.  I will apologise if I over-reacted.

Yeah. After all, none of *us* have ever over-reacted on the net.
I've been on the net for over 10 years and I've nev...PLONK!
Oops, sorry, that was my nose hitting the screen as it grew....

}I just think that the percentage of ba.food readers who have been
}to that particular restaurant and eaten the cheese ravioli is
}extremely small.  I think a better question might be....
}
}I really like cheese ravioli.  Can anyone recommend a really great
}cheese ravioli in the Bay Area?

Would probably be as useful as someone who loves a particular style
of pizza saying "Can anyone recommend a really great pizza in the
Bay Area?" We've all been through *that* too many times to count.

Figure it this way, at worst he'll get no responses, and will then
broaden his question.
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From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Shadowbrook in Capitola...Yuuucccckkk!!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering
Keywords: need opinions...


I don't reccomend the place unless you are interested in atmosphere
and drinks only. The food is awful and it's horribly expensive.

			Be Seeing You,
			   Steve

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From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
Subject: Good lunch in Mill Valley?
Where: San Francisco, CA
Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc.
Project: Ushering in the next stage of human evolution, and fixing the world.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:50:33 GMT

Hi!
	I'm supposed to be visiting "The Fractorium" in Mill Valley next
Wed., and was going to get lunch with some friends. I just moved to the Bay
Area on Tuesday, so I'm still new. Can anyone recommend a nice place where
we could pick up something that's not too pricey? I'm thinking in the
$10-15 range, or less. (Since I still don't have a job, money's a bit
tight. ;^)  ) If anyone knows of any jobs in graphics/animation/VR, please
let me know! ;)

	Also, please email responses, since I'm still catching up on
things, and don't get into news as often as I'd like...

	Thanks!

Pat
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From: doctor@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Terry Fong)
Subject: Re: (New) Chinese in Mountain View
Summary: Chef Chu's....ugh
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.234428.29106@leland.Stanford.EDU> dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>
>You're the third person I've talked to or read from recently
>who's praised Chef Chu's. Am I the only person who thinks
>they have terrible food?

No, you're not! Chef Chu's is certainly overrated. The food is
essentially "westernized" Hong Kong style chinese, and certainly
overpriced. I agree that the food is quite bland.

As far as Castro Street chinese restaurants... well, I've yet to find
one that is above mediocre. I tend to go to Szechuan Garden more often
than others since it is slightly better than most (though still very
oversauced).

There is a fairly new noodles & soup restaurant on El
Camino near Castro (where the Mt. View "Jing Jing" used to be) that
has some fairly good dishes. The "Singapore Noodles" is pretty good
and I've been told that other noodle dishes are better than average...

-Terry
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From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Subject: Re: Vietnamese sandwiches in N. Sunnyvale/Master Sandwich
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:15:34 GMT

leej@diver.asd.sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:

>Just tried Master Sandwich on the northeast corner of Wolfe and Reed.
>It's a tiny little place with half a dozen tables, but they do they
>reference standard $1.50 Vietnamese sandwich.  Nothing special, but they
>also have all the exotic Vietnamese canned drinks, most of which I've been
>unwilling to try.  

Any places with the "reference standard $1.50 Vietnamese sandwich"
a little further east, in the great culinary wasteland bounded by
San Tomas/Montague, El Camino, Mission College Blvd & Lawrence Expwy?

Rajeev

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From: jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh)
Subject: Where can I get great satay?
Originator: jtteh@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: satay
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:33:32 GMT

Where can I get great satay? Preferably authentic Indonesian or
Malaysian/Singaporean style. I've tried the one at Straits Cafe
and it isn't authentic.

- JT
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: where can I get good lox?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:48:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu


The packaged smoked salmon (lox-style) that
Trader Joe's sells is IMO a good value.  

Steve
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: What Happened to La Foret
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:09:18 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Richard G writes:

	What ever happened to La Foret bakery that used to be in the 
	Stanford Mall? They made some outstanding breads, especially 
	the Pullman loaf. I need a reasonable substitute, or perhaps 
	their new address if they still exist somewhere -- locally, 
	hopefully.

I'm a good, sweet white bread fan myself, and I was stricken when the
Japanese bakery, La Foret, closed up shop. They advertised then that
they had another bakery up the peninsula in one of the world's dreariest
malls, but it turned out to be cakes only, no bread. After much shopping
around, I am now entirely persuaded that the best sweet white loaf
available in this area is the Sweet French loaf at Safeway on El Canimo
in Menlo Park. This is a batard loaf -- which i find a good, all-round
shape -- and is baked every day fresh. This seems to be one of the breads
that is baked overnight, and I get there at 5am if i want a really fresh 
loaf. One of the benefits is that they have recent;y dropped the price 
from $1.59 to $0.99. Its a bargain. A very nice loaf. A little less
distinctive yeast than La Foret, but still a pleasant, mild, sweet taste.
As Keep it out of the refrigerator and as it dries out it makes fantastic
toast if cut thick.

				Bon appetit

								Fido
From: richardg@cheesewiz.EBay.Sun.COM (Richard Goldstein)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Ravioli
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:30:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: richardg@cheesewiz.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheesewiz.ebay.sun.com


Ok, I'm a man with a mission. Where can I get OUTSTANDING cheese
ravioli in the Palo Alto area? As a reference standard, I want to use
ravioli from the Pastosa Ravioli Store in Brooklyn. Come on, there must
be some ex-NYers out there who know what I'm talking about. I can't get
up to SF before Christmas, and I'm not likely to get to San Jose
either. I'm looking for somewhere between Redwood City and Sunnyvale.
Actually, Milpitas would work also.

I await the net wisdom and experience.

Thanks.

Rich Goldstein
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