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From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: PAF tricks
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:23:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Dec16.162359.10331
Organization: University of Virginia

Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would 
appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
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Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Orphan Train Book
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In regards to the questions about published sources about the Orphan Trains:
I just received a copy of Gateway News (1993 edition, published for clients
and friends of Gateway Press, Inc., Volume 5)  (Gateway is a companion
publisher to Genealogical Publishing Co of Baltimore MD (they share the
same office).  On page 2 is the following:
"Gateway is particularly pleased to have produced the first volume of
"Orphan Train Riders, Their Own Stories" for the Orphan Train Heritage
Society of America this year.  OTHSA, headed by Mary Ellen Johnson, of
Springdale, Arkansas, was founded in 1986.  Since its first annual
reunion in 1988, OTSHA has been bringing together survivors of the
Orphan train era and their descendants to share their common heritage.
The Orphan Trains brought homeless boys and girls from eastern cities,
to be raised by farm families in the midwest.  An estimated 150,000
children were placed out from 1854 until around 1930.  Today their
descendants number over two million.  Orphan Train riders share a unique
experience of being cut off from their family roots, an experience
which affected them and their descendants deeply.  Now, through OTHSA,
their stories can be told."

I called Ann Hughes (President of Gateway Press, and with whom I had
published a book in 1990), and as I had expected, the book is NOT available
through Gateway Press, but must be obtained from the author, Mary
Ellen Johnson.  The address is OTHSA, 4912f Trout Farm Rd, Springdale,
AR 72762.  Her business phone number is 501-521-3410.  Ann Hughes
indicated that her understanding of the price from OTHSA is $27.50 which
she understood, includes postage and handling (probably not state
tax if you are a resident of Arkansas).  Best to call to find out details.
Ann Hughes indicated also that the publication is the first volume and that
more are planned.......
Jim Freed, OWU, Delaware, OH   JMFREED@cc.owu.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:24:30 EST
Reply-To:     "JANE TORRES, (812)855-0383" <JETORRES@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
From:         "JANE TORRES, (812)855-0383" <JETORRES@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      HENNING in PA, OH
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Hi Everyone,
     This is my first time to query ROOTS-L, so please excuse any
mistakes I might make as a novice.
     I am searching the surname HENNING.  The migration route for
this family is presummed to be PA (county unknown) to Montgomery
Co., OH to Darke Co., OH.  I have definite information on the Darke
Co. Hennings as follows:

     --Jacob Henning and Barbara (Stiver?) arrived in Darke Co. from
          Montgomery Co., OH in 1834.
     --Their son, John Henning, was born in Montgomery Co. in 1828
          (I have no proof of place - only county history information)
     --John Henning married Elizabeth FINFROCK of Miami Co. OH in 1854
          in Darke Co. (Henning family bible)
     --John Henning lists his parents both as being born in PA in 1880
          census (Jacob and Barbara)
     --Barbara (Stiver?) Henning lists both her parents as born in PA
          in 1880 cen.
     --Another Jacob Henning (d. 1858, age 85...) and wife Catherine
          (d. 1865 age 84...) are buried in local Darke Co., cemetery

     I have other Darke Co. HENNING names who are related but I don't
know how at this time.  I will post these later if anyone is interested.
Of course, I also have the children of Jacob and Barbara, as this is my
direct line.
     Everyone have a nice Holiday Season!  I'm expecting a BIG drop in
the volume of my ROOTS-L mail soon!
     Thanks for any help you might provide.

                          Jane Barr Torres
                          Internet: JETORRES@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: Is there any records from Phillipines photographed at LDS?
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:59:23 GMT


I got a question from a member of our organization DIS-Norway if
there was some church records or others from Philipines recorded
at the LDS in Salt lake City.

Alf Christophersen
Roots-L list owner
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:37:12 PST
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      A FirstSearch trial....
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using 132.174.100.2
100077527
fsearch

I got into FirstSearch ONCE (closed by foreign host thereafter...)

I did a search on the Gregg family -- because they are diverse and
I know a lot about them (after the model of Brian Randell)..

There were 77 references; about 33 seemed relevant to Gregg genealogy
(possibly a couple more)... about 6 look quite interesting to me

There is a lot of data on the Gregg families of the southern states
(not my Greggs... but they are in the 33) I have not seen these
references elsewhere.

Missing are the known material on the Greggs of Centre Co. PA:
in particular Gen. David McMurtrie Gregg (who bested J. E. B. Stuart
at Gettysburg) and Senator Andrew Gregg of PA -- both visible figures

Conclusion: It is at least 5 times as large as Melvyl, whith many more
hits; not quite as convenient to use. Good data, but you have to work
for it....

Doesn't catch all of Melvyl even at its large size...

Exciting stuff!!

Thanks Brian!

Tom
From: pmccurdy@alcalde.Corp.Sun.COM (Patrick McCurdy)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      Horn Papers; Maps of Western PA
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:54:30 GMT
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   I have done quite a bit of research in this area of PA, especially
Greene County.  McCurdy, Grinage, Prather, Jones, Kennedy, Frazier,
Ketton, etc.

   The Horn Papers are, indeed, somewhat controversial.  The College of
William and Mary claims that large portions of these volumes were
fabricated.  I have looked through portions of these works and found them
to be more or less historically accurate.   Maybe a true historian would
find fault with them, but I found them useful.  (I should note that I
have not actually read the W&MQ criticism of this work, I have merely
heard about it second hand.)

   It should be kept in mind that these are NOT genealogical works.
Any researcher worth his or her salt would never take anything from
volumes such as these as fact.  They are great books in which to find 
clues and leads that can then be verified.

   I just find it hard to believe that old man Horn sat down and spent
months fabricating things to write into three volumes.  He may have
stretched or elaborated now and then, but I expect that kind of thing
from local histories.

   I have a very nice book, "Westward of Laurall Hills", that is very 
readable and gives a nice 'flavor' for early life in the SW corner
of PA.  Once again, this is not a genealogical work, but if you
have ancestors from that area of the country, it gives you an idea
of what kind of life they led.  In this book, the author specifically
tries to either confirm or deny anything she can from the Horn
Papers.

   The Horn Papers are out of print (if anyone knows where I can get
them, I would like to know).  "Westward..." is still in print and can
be ordered through your local bookstore.


   LC Call Number: F157.W5 V63
             Author: Vogt, Helen Elizabeth.
              Title: Westward of ye Laurall Hills, 1750-1850 / by Helen Vogt ;
                      illustrated with facsims., author's drawings, and photos.
   Publication Info: Parsons, W. Va. : McClain Print. Co., 1976.
  Phys. Description: ix, 472 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.




Patrick McCurdy			"A man can only drink 30 or 40 glasses of
1155 Weyburn Lane #1		 beer a day, no matter how much money he has."
San Jose, CA  95129				- COL Adolphus Busch
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Work:	pmccurdy@corp.sun.com	  
CServe: 76346,2764

Researching:  McCurdy, Murphy, Hartmetz, Hyne, Martin, Routt, Hess,
Prather, Grinage, Atchison, Duckworth, Cooke, Kendall, Honey, Hendrix,
Kennedy, Maguire, McPhilips, etc.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:38:50 -0500
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From:         FAC_DBOYDRUS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Scottish Rebel Transports

I'm involved in a project involving the fate of the Highland rebels trans-
ported to Virginia. The "Elizabeth and Anne" sailed from Liverpool carrying 112
   Highland prisoners, 126 according to the official British count.  Edward
Trafford was the master.  The ship arrived in Yorktown 13 October 1716. Twenty
nine were indentured:
John Macintosh,
Thos. Foster
George Dickenson
Jmo. Mackintosh
Christr. Carus
Archd. Manzies
James Macintosh
James Blackwood
Danl. Thompson
Duncan Clark
Robt. Stewart
Jno. Robertson
Owen McPherson
Robt. Stewart (2)
Jno. Stewart
Donald Shaw
Willm. Turner
Malcolm Stewart
Angus Shaw
James Nisbet
Jno. Stewart (2)
Robt. Bruce
Fergus Graham
Jno. Kennedy
John Dunbar
James Mackintosh
Jno. Stewart (3)
Rob. Smith
Frances (sic. Francis) Hume
The rest, 83 priosners, were not indentured.  I'll list them in another posting.
   What happened to the rebels?  I know the fate of some.  Where did they come t
   o
reside?  If you have an ancestor who might have been aboard the "Elizabeth
and Anne," please let me hear from you.  Perhaps we can be of mutual assistance.
Dorothy A. Boyd-Rush
FAC_DBOY@JMUVAX
FAC_DBOYDRUS@VAX.ACS.JMU.EDU
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 18:15:59 MST
From: Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject:    Irish Settlement, Northampton/Lehigh Cos.,PA

If you are descended from Scots-Irish families who lived in the Irish
Settlement of Northampton and Lehigh Cos., PA, I'd like to hear from
you. That Settlement was one of the first in the US established by
emigrants from the Bann Valley, near Coleraine, in Co. Londonderry,
Northern Ireland. It might be useful if we pooled our knowledge of the
area and the path of the emigration. Some of the early names: WILSON,
BLAIR, HUNTER, KANE, GREGG, HASLETT, ALLISON, CRAIG, HORNER, BOYD, MCKEEN
BRAINERD.

DAn Wilson
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:05:42 CST
Reply-To:     JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
From:         JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
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Am I still on the list?  I haven't received any mail lately.

Jean Spradlin-Miller
jmiller@mhsl.uab.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:37:00 EST
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From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Horn Papers; Maps of Western PA
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After sharing the information about excellent maps of southwestern
PA via the Horn Papers, and indicating that Vol. III contained
maps of Greene, Washington, and Fayette Counties, I decided to
check a long display of the Melvyl catalog to find what additional
counties might be included in the two previous volumes.  I found that
these three counties are the only counties covered.  In addition to
the maps are histories of these counties.
Also on Melvyl (what we wouldn't know if we hadn't asked for a
long display) is this disturbing comment:" For evidence of
possible fabrication of the Horn Papers, cf William and Mary
Quarterly, ser. 3, 1947, p. 409-444"  I'm hoping that the maps
are still considered authentic; if anybody had familiarity with
these Horn Papers  (W. F. Horn, "The Horn Papers:  Early Westward
Movement on the Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795") as to
the authenticity of the maps, I'd appreciate hearing from them.

Oh yes, concerning the question of who published the three volumes,
using the long display on Melvyl, it looks like the first two
volumes may have been published by the Herald Press, 1945, but
that the third volume, which contains the maps (atlas) was
published by the Hagstrom Company, 1945.....
Jim Freed  JMFREED@cc.owu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:15:00 EST
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From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Orphan Train Address Correction
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Just noticed that the address just shared with the net about the
orphan train book was slightly in error, it should be the following:
                OTHSA
                4912 Trout Farm Rd.
                Springdale, AR 72762
        Again, the author is Mary Ellen Johnson, and she can be
        reached, for further questions, at 501-521-3410.
--Jim Freed--OWU--
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Edmonton help needed
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:43:25 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

I saw recently that Edmonton was founded in 1795.  I have a few
families of Beauregard that were in the area from about 1830.
I presume they are all related and children of

Charles Beauregard and Josephte Caillon or Kaillon

I have no Charles that fits, so it is even possible that this Charles
was born in West (NWT or Northwest territories at that time, covered
all lands west of Ontario) in about 1800-1820.

Only data I have is the 1881 and 1891 census and a few marriages
in catholic parish St-Joachim.  Does anyone has access to data
either in Ottawa Public Archives or in Edmonton to have some more
information about those families that could have inhabited there
either from old church records (but it opened in the 1850's) or
from other records/church/etc.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
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From: msc@unislc.uucp (Michael Cole)
Subject: PAF DATA COMBINE
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:17:21 GMT


I understand that PAF data files can be combined by PAF by doing the following:

In the directory where your PAF data resides make a sub-directory "select".
In the select subdirectory put the PAF data you want to combine with your data.
Run the GIE program and chose option 3 (Add part of a GEDCOM File).  You will
see a screen like:

Family Records Data Disk:
GEDCOM File Disk: c:
Name of GEDCOM File:
GEDCOM Listing File:
Name for Selection File:

Now enter on the first line where YOUR data is located (ie c:\paf\data)
and the last line indicate "select".  ie.

Family Records Data Disk: c:\paf\data
GEDCOM File Disk: c:
Name of GEDCOM File:
GEDCOM Listing File:
Name for Selection File: select

Press F1 and then proceed as if you had chosen a GEDCOM file.

Questions? Send me e-mail. MSC@UNISLC.SLC.UNISYS.COM
From: munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM (Chris Munnelly)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Scottsdale Family Treasures books?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:30:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: steam.5352.9212141830
Reply-To: Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
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One of my coworkers got a letter from someone
at Scottsdale Family Treasures.  The difference
I have seen so far is that they have an info
sheet to fill out (it looks much like other
family group sheets).  They were also nice
enough to include a researchers name and a
phone number.  He said he is not interested in the
book but may send in the information sheet.
So I may not get a chance to see what kind of
a book they produce.

Happy Holidays

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Christopher P. Munnelly           (munnelly@Xylogics.COM)
  Searching: Broderick, Cadogan, Carter, Casey, Curran, Devenish, Leonard,
    McDonough, McGlew, McLane, Monnelly, Munnelly, O'Connell, Ogden
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:42:46 LCL
Reply-To:     David Evans <dke@ORVILLE.HO.BOM.GOV.AU>
From:         David Evans <dke@ORVILLE.HO.BOM.GOV.AU>
Subject:      Re: Latin names for Sundays
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I agree with Fred.

Thank you Mr Stemerdink.


David Evans
dke@bom.gov.au
"The sap in the family tree"
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:31:44 EDT
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From:         JOEL@DELPHINUS.LIB.UMB.EDU
Subject:      England-Ian A. Walsworth-Bell
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Does anyone, perhaps in England know how I can get in touch with this
person.  He is living somewhere in England I believe and is looking
for information about his American ancestry that I may be able to
help him with.  He is related to Queen Anne Boleyn and is looking to
claim the Earldom of Ormonde.


 Joel Fowler (Joel@delphinus.lib.umb.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:17:40 CST
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From:         joel walker <JWALKER@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      geneology workshop (alabama)

item from Tuscaloosa News, Dec. 13, 1992:

Geneology Workshop

Make plans to attend a geneology/conservation workshop given in Montgomery
on Jan. 23 in the Alabama Department of Archives and History from 9:30 a.m.
- 3 p.m.

Topics include general introductory lectures to geneology; the preservation
of family papers and the resources available for locating records in the
National Archives, Southeast Region, East Point, Ga.

Presenters will be Dave Hilkert, archivist for the National Archives Southeast
Region and Linda Overman, the conservation officer for the Department of
Archives and History.

A $15 charge will cover materials and lunch. Pre-registration must be completed
by Jan. 15. On-site registration will be $25. For more information, call
(205) 242-4363.
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From: barrus@nosc.mil (Joseph D. Barrus)
Subject: Anybody live in Augusta, Maine?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:39:51 GMT


Does anybody live in or near Augusta, Maine or frequents the Maine
State Library?  I desperately need someone to copy a 23 page book
for me.  I Just tried out the First Search on-line catalog and
immediately keyed in on a book that very likely contains vital
information for a breakthrough is some long standing dead ends in
my research.  The book is Coombs Family of Bellingham, Mass.  by
Charles Nelson Sinnett.

I am just so excited to find this book.  My gg grandmother was Miriam Coombs 



of Bellingham.  She married Charles Augustus Barrus.  His line is a dead end, her mother, Charlotte Burgess's line is a dead end and her Coombs line is a deadend in Bellingham.  This could really open some doors.  Please email me if you can help me.  Tah
Thanks

barrus@cod.nosc.mil


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From: awootten@slacktide.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten)
Subject: Re: FAUQUIER County, Virginia early research
Organization: nrao
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:23:08 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%92121414491774@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Linda Erkelens <LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET> writes:
   Has anyone done research in FAUQUIER County, Virginia?  I am particularly
   interested in before 1820.  Does Virginia have a state archive where wills
   and land records would be kept or should I go directly to the County
   Courthouse?  
Microfilms of all the archives are kept at the Virginia State Library.
The address is
Archives Branch
Virginia State Library
11th and Capitol Streets
Richmond, VA 23219

I have borrowed many of these microfilms by interlibrary loan.  There is
a master listing on microfilm which will tell you which one you want.  For
example, I recently borrowed Frederick Co. VA microfilm:  Reel#48 General
Index to Deeds 1743-1839 A-K.  I located the name I wanted, and then I could
send for the microfilm of the actual record.  This is pretty slow, and it
goes much faster if you get to Richmond!  In a pinch, a
colleague here has a copy of the index and I might be able to look up a 
few for you.
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From: podonne1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Subject: Re: Confusing Months and Quaker Records
Organization: Friends Historical Library
Distribution: national
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:39:58 GMT

In article <01GSF0BAGIQO000PBO@CC.OWU.EDU> JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU writes:
>The comments about "confusing months" (e.g., October being the 8th
>month, December the 10th month, etc.) reminds me of research that I did
>a number of years ago on Quaker records, in which those records with which
>I was working did NOT use the names of the months, but used just "8th
>month" or "10th month" (etc.).  At the time I was rather certain that the
>Quakers were also using December as the 10th month, etc.  My question
>to those of you who have recently worked in Quaker records:  Was there a
>uniform date in all Quaker records where the 10th month became October and
>NOT December?  AND when did their "new year" begin in January and not
>begin in March?  As you can see, whay may have been recorded as a
>birth in the 11th month of 1723, was, in our present calendar, the
>first month of 1724.  I hope that a netter will reply to the net with
>some well-documented information on this subject.
>--Jim Freed, OWU, Delaware, OH --
>
Quakers declined to use the names of the months which had been bestowed in
honor of "pagans or their idols;" thus they adopted a numerical style, which
had its origin in scripture. The first month was what others who followed the
Julian calendar referred to as March.

An act of Parliament was passed in 1751, prescribing the adoption of the
Gregorian Calendar throughout Great Britian and her Colonies, making the
suceeding year begin with the first of January and dropping eleven nominal days
(3-13) from the monthly of September 1752. The Yearly Meeting of Friends in
London, followed by that of Philadelphia, directed its members to recoginize
the change of style, and thereafter the months should be renumbered, beginning
with the month that others called January.