From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:36:45 GMT
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In article <ewright.712431847@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V.
Wright) says:
>
>In <92211.150235ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
>
>Or you can compare the speed of a much more expensive machine in order
>to stack the deck in your favor.  Which is what you did.
>
>
>
>Sigh.  How many times must we go through this?  That 14" monitor is
>not even close to being comparable to Apple's RGB Tritron monitor.
>If you wanted to use a crappy VGA on the Mac instead, you could
>knock off several hundred dollars.  Getting a good (SCSI) hard
>disk on the PC will add a couple hundred dollars more. Yes, you
>can buy a cheap 486 and get just what you pay for....
>
Granted I made the mistake to compare prices of a 486 and performance of
a 386. Now with the 386:

           386 40MHz PC with ET4000 VGA 8MB RAM         DM 2358
           120 MB IDE harddisk

           Cyrix 80387 40MHz                            DM  330

           Trinitron instead of std. monitor            DM  250

           Adaptec SCSI hostadapter (no significant
           speedup against IDE, but you have the SCSI
           for your scanner, if you need one,           DM  520
           drive is the same price as IDE)

           OS/2 2.0                                     DM  212

           WorkFrame /2                                 DM  124

           OS/2 Dev. Toolset                            DM  165
                                                        =======
                                                        DM 3959

If you allow me to assume $3000 for the IIsi and a ratio of $1 = DM 1.5
I can`t see how the PC is more expensive. Perhaps Mac prices have dropped in
the US but you didn`t mention that.

>Oh, did I mention Hypercard, Resedit, and all the other software
>Apple gives you free?  Or how much you'd pay to get the equivalent
>software (Toolbook, Whitewater Resource Toolkit, etc.) for the PC?
>
Oh did I mention EPM, PMChart, IconEdit, PMChess ?

>And since you didn't answer my question about whether you bothered
>to install the FPU in the IIsi before running the benchmark, I'll
>assume the answer is either "no" or "I don't know what that is."
>
The Mac has a FPU installed although I can`t see how this may help with
the Dhrystone benchmark.

>Oh, let's see... why would Microsoft write a word processor that runs
>faster under Windows than it does on the Mac...?   Why would Microsoft
>write a word processor that runs faster under Windows than it does on
>a Mac...?  Why would Microsoft...

I guess they think: "Oh those dumb Mac users, now we write a fairly bad word
processor and as soon as they see it they will haul their machines including
all the excellent word processors of our competitors into the trashcan. Then
they will rush out and buy a Windoze PC just to run our  word processor."
Yes I guess that`s how Bill made his n * 1E9 $$$.

Michael Bode