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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Goober, a Southernism??
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:08:58 GMT

cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:

>I can tell you what *I* knew it to mean when I was growing up in Georgia.
>First of all, it means "peanut".  Although peanuts are Georgia's leading
>cash crop, and although states like South Carolina grow *many* more peaches
>than Georgia does, Georgia maintains its hold on the moniker "The Peach
>State" largely because they don't want to be known as "The Goober State",
>I think :-).


    You right, bubba.  In Georgia compared to peanuts peaches are just
small potatoes.

                                                       -- jf
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: question for Arabian Nights fans
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:11:07 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <3505@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>Those who are big Burton fans would do well to visit used book stores
>in search of 'Sinai Tapestry' by Edward Whitemore.  Strongbow, one of the
                                         ^^^^^^^^^
Whittemore.
   
>main protagonists, is obviously based on Sir Richard.  It, and its 
>sequel 'Jerusalem Poker', are two of my all-time favorite books.
>(The third in the series, 'Nile Shadows', was disappointing.)

No it wasn't, read it again! Where's the fourth?

Alan



-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Tad Williams
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:28:25 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <1992Dec11.124046.13915@kth.se> f88-nme@nada.kth.se (Niklas Mellin) writes:
>Please somebody, help me!
>Is there a third book following 'The Dragonbone Chair' and 
>'Stone of Farewell' by Tad Williams? If not will there be
>in the future? When?

Dan 

(I can't get him to read this group regularly, he says its full of
pseudo-intellectual twaddle. When I was 14 we used to try and pretend we
liked pseudo intellectual twaddle *and* I never used long words like pseudo
to my parents; what is the world coming to...)

tells me that it was scheduled for publication towards the end of
November, he believes he heard this in August, but hasn't seen anything to
confirm publication.

Alan


-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Keywords: books notations 
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:30:33 GMT

In article <BzFx87.E1p@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
>My mother and I have been arguing over something recently, and I'd like to
>get some comments from the group on it...
>
>What are your feelings about making notes, highlighting, etc., in the
>books that you own? ... I just feel that
>doing such things ruins the book, both in terms of financial value, and in
>future readability by others (I personally cannot read books that have
>been marked up by others...it's just too distracting to me).  My mother,
>on the other hand, attacks her books so much they look like graffiti art
>by the time she's done with them.
>
>So who's right?  Am I just being anal-retentive, or is she destroying
>good, expensive books?

	IMHO, you're being anal-retentive, Aaron.

	Seriously, it's obviously a personal thing.  I make
	notes and highlight many - but not all - the books I
	read, especially nonfiction or books that I think I
	might re-read.  But I refrain from doing so with many
	other books, especially library books.

	I also find the notes of previous readers fascinating
	and often illuminating.  I will often seek out a used,
	heavily annotated copy of a title just to get these
	notes.

	Again, it's a personal thing.  If it isn't you, it
	isn't you.  (By the way, your concern about resale
	value puzzles me somewhat.  Do you restrict your
	reading to books that you think have a potential
	"financial value"?  Obviously, one would think
	twice before annotating or highlighting a rare
	first edition.)

	--rb
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: wilmoth@b30.ingr.com (Shelley Wilmoth)
Subject: Re: Violence in Literature
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:41:24 GMT

In article <Bz43yF.6Ep@dunaad.co.uk> ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.135655.1277@lth.se> dat91msu@ludat.lth.se (Martin Sunnerdahl) writes:
>>Greetings.
>>
>>I am on a quest for knowledgeand truth. Or rather, I am looking for 
>>interesting books on violence in literature. I'm interested in all 
>>different viewpoints, from a sociological one to a linguistic one.
>>
>
>Sounds like Colin Wilson's novels.

& John Irving's.
From: rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: All I want for xmas
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:30:06 GMT
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <1gq1bqINNjqv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Fiona say:
>I've had this distinction between "sci-fi" and
>"sf" drummed into me until I'm blue in the face, so I'd like
>to know if I've *still* got it wrong
>
>~~~~
>Well, I seem to recall a variant of this "distinction" called
>scienti-fiction from back in the '60s. Anyone else recall this
>bit of shaving with Occam's razor??
>-- 
>Ted....

I think Hugo Gernsbach coined the term "scienti-fiction" back in the
'30s or '40s.  I believe he's considered the father of science fiction, 
and the man whose name adorns one of the sf awards.



Regards,

Ralph Marrone
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: excellent reading!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.054417.17341@csusac.csus.edu> yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>>	Fuck off and die, Heather.

>Ah, yes.  One of my favorite things about r.a.books is the reasoned discussion
>of books that occurs here.  

	Nothing unreasoned about that statement.  Before making it, I asked
the egregious Heather what I had done to receive the unwanted attention of
her Miss Manners persona, and she answered by asserting the persona one 
more time, to which I answered that if she persisted in it, I would be happy 
to tell her on a regular basis to fuck off and die.  She persisted, I 
responded as promised.  

	

-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: What is "the Spanish Kitchen Incident"?
Keywords: Bukowski,Meloan,Buzz,Spanish,Kitchen
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:19:37 GMT


A friend of mine asked to garner all possible information on "the
Spanish Kitchen Incident".  This is presumably an incident that
Charles Bukowski would be well suited to write about.  

If you absolutely know the answer, please send me email as well
as posting to the group.  Disk space is at a premium here, news
expires fast, and I'd rather not cause a tempest in a teapot
without even finding out the answer to my inquiry.

Thanks, in advance,

Rick Kleffel
-- 

Rick Kleffel*System Administrator*E-Mu Systems, Scotts Valley, Ca*rickk@emu.com*
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.philosophy.misc
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Whoops.
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:30:16 GMT



jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:
 
> From mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto):
 
>> I think I just posted my .alias file, accidentally.
 
> Actually, I found this to be most interesting reading. Was anyone else
> similarly impressed? It's a nice change from all the Good Will To All Men
> (& Women) I've been seeing since I came back from a 2-week News vacation.
 
> Although I suppose we could criticize poor M. Taranto for the contents of
> his file ...
 
> Would anyone care to begin the deconstruction process?
 
At first I was surprised at how many people actually read the file, then I
realized that I would have read it if someone else had posted it.
 
As to *how* I posted it, the answer is actually simple.  I use a
gateway to post articles.  I have an alias of 'post' which mails
my article off to Yale and then posts it for me.  If I want to
post to a different group, I will usually look at my alias file.
I posted the .alias because I typed in:
 
        alias | post
 
rather than:
 
        alias | grep post
 
maverick@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick) comments:
 
 
-> There *is* the question of why anyone would do this:
 
-> [alias] why  echo because we like you
 
-> Unfortunately, it probably just means he inherited the line --
-> but at worst it only suggests he is easily amused.
 
 
Many of my aliased commands were, in fact, inherited.  In fact, each of
the commands that Tom Maddox commented on were inherited.  However, the
following are all mine:
 
 
        who     whoami
        what    ps -uax
        where   pwd
        when    date;cal
        how     answerbook &
        why     echo because we like you

I rarely use any of these, but like to know that if I have a question,
my computer can answer it.  I trust that nearly all of you recognize that
it is a quotation from
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
ObBook:  The answerbook in the "How" command is an online book, which
includes nearly every Sun manual.
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Colette -- which translations are best?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:46:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

I'm interested in buying some of Colette's novels
in English translations, but have heard that the
different translations vary greatly in quality.

Any opinions on which translations / translators
are best is appreciated.  I am looking for
"The Vagabond" and a few others.

Thanks,

Steve
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22856 news.groups:24705
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion: rec.arts.books.reviewed
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:55:10 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1992Dec18.154126.17421@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jw2b@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Sara J. Wagner) writes:
>How do you get those people to post to the .chat group and leave the .book
>group alone?

Drivel, like other things, expands to fill the space alloted.
Unlike other things, perhaps, it then demands, and often gets,
more space.

You ask them nicely.  Some of them will go.  Some of them will
not.  In either case, the volume each of the new groups, and the
original will swell back to original size, if not beyond, and may
or may not be any pure..  make that monotonic or monochromatic.


I would suggest a moderated group, but this seems to put a rather
substantial burden on the moderator, and in any case, if there
are sufficient people unhappy with the moderator's policies or
availability, then the volume will just go to other groups,
anyhow.

Perhaps a better idea for reviews would be a moderated mailing
list?  It strikes me that a moderated mailing list isn't
fundamentally different from an extended, dispersed literary
magazine or newsletter.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Git
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:41:08 GMT

In article <1gjb81INN3jq@agate.berkeley.edu> annie@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>Graham,
>This is in response to your humorless and snotty response. 

	Aha!

>relax
>cool down
>fuck off :)

	Lose the smiley and remember the ". . . and die."

	Mis Manners, aka


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
From: bmiller@lunatix.uucp (Barry Miller)
Subject: Re: Ngaio Marsh info requested
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:35:56 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

June Cornelius (june@csc.liv.ac.uk) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: 	Does anyone have a full list of all the books that Ngaio Marsh has
: published.  I don't know much about her, just what I've picked up from
: sleeves, but I believe she was (?is?) from New Zealand and has written
: *lots* of Murder Mysteries.  I only seem to have found them second-hand
: even though there is a new cover-format release of alot of her books in
: some big Newsagents now.  Because all my books are second hand, they come
: from different publishers and so I can't work out a full list.

Can't help with a complete list, but I can furnish the following
information via my wife (who is an avid fan) and the book _Murder
Ink_, by Dilys Win (who owns a bookstore by the same name).

1.	Because it's Christmas time, my wife recommends reading
_Tied up in Tinsel_.

2.	The first in the Roderick Alleyn series is _A Man Lay
Dead_, 1934.  My wife recommends reading them in order if
possible because the relationships will make more sense; they
build on prior meetings from the first books.

3.	Her first name is pronounce nye (as in "hi") o.

4.	She was an actress and uses much of her knowledge of the
stage in her books.  She is particularly fond of Shakespeare.

5.	(This from _Murderess Ink_, also by Dilys Win, p. 104)

	"But the most imaginatively dispatched corpses of them
all come from the pen of Ngaio Marsh, whose tour de force has
Florence Rubrick, a Member of Parliament, being baled into
shearing on a New Zealand sheep station (_Died in the Wool_).
She's also managed clever things with poisoned darts (_Death at
the Bar_), skewers to the eyeball (_Death of a Peer_) and piano
pedals (_Overture to Death_), though only in the last does she do
in a woman."

Happy reading.

--Barry
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
From: wai@mackinac.ecn.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Subject: Re: Please, move anime posts from rec.arts.animation to rec.arts.anime
Keywords: No more, please!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:52:16 GMT


moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>Subject: Please, move anime posts from rec.arts.animation to rec.arts.anime
>Thank Yew.

	May I plead an end to the tread of argument between Anime and Animation
	which has been heating up for the past week, and please don't again get
	this into rec.arts.anime. R.a.anime has been through with this a lot of 
	times in the past already, and whatever happening from R.a.animation
	will inevitably creat another unwanted, band-width wasting flame war
	in r.a.anime.

	American Animation and Japanese Anime each has its differences, has
	its goods and bads (which highly depended on individual's preferences),
	and it's not worth arguing and bashing to death because that will
	_never_ end. 
	
	(also with reference to that long IBM vs Mac, IBM vs Amiga flame wars 
	in Comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware a few weeks ago...)

	Sincere thanks.
	
	My last word.
---
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cheap Animation
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec17.130136.2546@inland.com> hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock) writes:
>In article <DAN.92Dec15143134@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>>
>> stupid.  Interesting that no one ever mentions Rescuers Down Under,
>> which for my money, was the best thing Disney's done in years.  It had
>
>	I agree.  I call RDU "The Most Underrated Disney Movie".  It is
>an excellent movie.  As good, in it's own way, as TLM and B&B.

RDU was severely underrated.  For those out there who are sick of
Disney's formulas, look at their box office grosses and see why they
appear to be stuck.  RDU had cute animals, but IMHO, it is never
overdone.  While the film has its faults, as all do, it is witty,
sensible, funny, and even touching  at times.  It also failed to
recoup its cost at the box office (though it made a decent profit on
home video).

>> And for the record, I consider Bluth a dead loss at this point.
>
>  Tragically, so do I.

I "third" that notion.  His next film to be released (if he stays in
business!) is Thumbelina, even though he has another film that is
nearly or already complete.  It looks like Bluth wants to take
advantage of the recent audience interest in fairy tales.  He even
hired Jodi Benson (voice of Disney's Little Mermaid) to play the title
role!  He's transformed from a Disney renegade to a Disney wannabe.


- Robert Cook
From: rmv2498@tamuts.tamu.edu (Ryan Mark Vurlicer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:52:31 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <n11b1t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

[del]

> Animation in my opinion is something special (afterall it take lots and lots 
>of drawn pictures to do a feature) and it is sad when they have to draw up
>prono animation (especailly lesbians) or make junk with lots of blood and gore 
>without redeming value.

	There you go.  Reread your own statement many many many times.  
"Without redeeming value."  So far, I have yet to see you analyze anything 
beyond a superficial glance to attempt to determine if anything had redeeming
value.  If something having saucer-eyed characters automatically removes it 
from having any redeeming values, I can see where you are coming from and will
cease responding.  Likewise your blood and gore and sex dislikes.  If having 
those means that a particular piece of animation can not have any redeeming
value, you would seem to have misunderstood what redeeming value means.  Or at
least have a radically different interpretation of it than I do.

>--- Maximus 2.00

Ryan Vurlicer

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: G.I. Joe and related things
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:29:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.194017.22915@news.stolaf.edu> walter@sonja2.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler) writes:
>     I have always liked the G.I.Joe series, and really enjoyed the plots/sub
>plots, etc and was talking with my fellows late last night about the whole 
>storyline.  We all basically followed the TV show very much and one of my
>friends read the comics REALLY closely.  I have not followed it (If it still
>exists)  lately.  We basically came down with the same conclusion that the
>Cobra-La stuff was non-Joe-ish.  It totaly screwed the series over.  Ya it was
>kind of neat to have it, the Joe Movie was cool, but come on....If anyone can
>remember any hints towards that stuff prior to the Joe Movie, please email me.
>I really thought Golobulus was cool, but it made more sense to me to follow
>the comic book outline.  This turned the whole Joe world around twords a 
>stranger and wierder thing.  Ya, Cobra could get really wierd at times, but 
>that's being a bad guy.  I really think that the Celtic Destro stuff could
>have been done well in the series.  I remember a Flint/Lady Jane/Destro episode
>where they hinted at it, but did not carry it out as far as they could have.
>
>Questions:
>1.  What happened to Serpantor in the Joe Movie?  How was he eliminated?

Serpentor survived the Movie--his cape got stuff in his hover-sled and he
flew out of control through the ceiling. In the series that followed the
movie, Cobra Commander uses a "pythonizing" technique to merge Serpie
with an iguana so he is half-animal. Serpie never returns. In the
comic, they also got rid of Serpentor--he got shot in the eye with an
arrow by Zartan.

>2.  Where there any hints towords the wierd Cobra-La stuff in the tv episodes?

I never saw a hint of it, before or after the movie.

>3.  Somehow the Cobra-La stuff just sealed off the Joe world from reality or
>the near reality enjoyed by it before.  

I too did not like the movie that much, other than the animation and the
very beginning where the Cobra High Command is arguing.

>4.  Did basically most of the Cobra guys bite it in the Movie?  How'd Destro
>ditch?

None of the Cobra guys bought it--I believe most if not all returned in
the newer episodes. 

>anyway...email responses are welcome.....in fact encouraged
>
>'nuff said
>
>*******************************************************************************
>Greg "squirrels rule" Walter   *           "That would be bad..." -Doc Speng's
>walter@stolaf.edu              *  "The magnetic Flux capacitor...It makes
>St. Olaf College               *  time travel possible" -Doc
>Northfield, MN                 *  
>*******************************************************************************
>
>


-- 

Send e-mail to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Big-eyed Anime chicks
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:35:21 GMT

Many manga artists and animators in Japan are obsessed with
characters' eyes.  According to _Manga Manga!_ by Frederick Schodt
(Kodansha International available at fine bookstores and libraries
everywhere) several romance comics featured titles like "Sky-Blue
Pupils", Golden Pupils", "Mother's Pupils" and others (where "pupil"
definitely refers to the eyes) and the characters' dialogue seemed to
often concern these lovely orbs, rendered in seemingly infinitessimal
detail thanks to gallons of white-out and rapidograph work.  

Leiji Matsumoto's characters often seem to have virtual solar systems
in their eyes.  

- Dan
--
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| Dan Parmenter       |"I'm waiting for a time, when I can do without these  |
| dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu  | things that make me feel this way all of the time"   |
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From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:46:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


> According to the Dec. 7 issue of Broadcasting magazine there will be
> a new series of Pink Panther cartoons to run in syndication in the
> fall of '93.  MGM has authorized the production of 40 episodes.

Oh, I can hardly wait!!  I loved watching the Pink Panther's antics (and so
did my father) when I was growing up.  Memory lane, here I come...

Personally, I am not certain if his speaking will have an impact or not.  It
could, since the old stories were carefully done so that he didn't need to
speak.  If the new Pink Panther stories have the same quality as the old ones,
his speaking should add a new dimension.  Of course, the other way it could go
is that by having him speak, they wont have to work as hard on the stories :-(

Curt

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