From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:57:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <Eep8o6G00YUoEciK0u@andrew.cmu.edu> cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido) writes:

>Ok buddy, let's do some battle.  I _discussed_ this topic before with
>Dan Johnson and we got to know some things about each other's system.  
>But you. . . 

Sorry, I will not engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

>> I think he said "OS/2," not "ATM."  Why don't you "play with fonts 
>> too much?" That statement suggests that it's not easy to do.
 
>No it doesn't.  Maybe he does real work instead of setting his system up
>every hour of every day of every week.  

Oh?  If it's so easy to do, why does it take "every hour of every day
of every week" to do it?

>I've noticed that most Mac
>people like to waste time by seeing what startup sound they'll have,
>what ending sound they have, what sound is played when a disk is put in,

On the Macintosh, this takes a few *seconds*.  Of course, if your 
"hot" operating system takes "every hour of every day..." to do a
simple task like this, I can see why you think it's a waste of time. 

>what color their background is, what font is used or whatever.

Strange, but I've never seen a Macintosh user try to do word
processing in hot-pink type on a lime-green background the
way Joe Windows often does. 

>Yeah, but OLE and DDE are standardized, so Joe Programmer can write a
>word processor, and Chris Developer can write a Paint program.  As long
>as they both use OLE, they can talk.  Even if Joe's from Microsoft, and
>Chris is from IBM.

Son, try to follow the conversation.  We weren't talking about
OLE/DDE, we were talking about InterApplication Communications. 
DDE is not IAC, it's just Microsoft's (feeble) implementation
of Apple's Publish and Subscribe feature.  Unlike Publish and
Subscribe, though, DDE does not work with applications that
aren't running and, as I understand it, doesn't work across
networks, either.  OLE is nothing more than a way to get two
or more applications to work on the same document.  Pretty
boring stuff.

IAC allows one application to take *control* of another 
application; borrow its windows, tools, menus, functions, 
data types, etc.; launch other programs to do tasks for
it, even on different machines; and more.  AppleEvents
defines a standard language for doing this, so that one
program can say to another, "take this job and spellcheck
it, justify the text, format it, and save it in Pagemaker
format" without ever knowing anything about the other
program's internals. 


>You've got to be an idiot then.  I've never seen that problem and I've
>gone through three video setup's.  My networking has never been
>affected.  

Yeah, well, KiddieNet or whatever you used at school may be bulletproof, 
but that doesn't mean that all networking software is.  They did tell
you that there's more than one *type* of networking software for the PC, 
didn't they?

>Yes.  When you double click on a document, all you are doing is really
>just opening another view of it.  So, what does logic tell you to do
>with that view?  Exit? NO.  Quit? NO.  Close, ah yes, you close that
>view of the document.  

I didn't say "document," kid, I said "application."  If you're going
to eavesdrop, at least try to pay attention.  

>Well, is that simple enough?

Simple is the word that comes to mind, yes.

>> Note the word *standard*.  Is there a standard format for sound
>> files that you can play back on *any* PC (not just the ones you
>> bought a special board for)? 
  
>Yes, the .wav format used by both MPC and Ultimedia.

Wake up, damn it!  I said, pay attention!  Sound files that can
play back on *any* PC.  That means *all* PCs, not "the 5% that
have MPC or Ultimedia or some other whizzy $$$ thing."

>Couldn't touch memory protection could you?

Why?  If I *wanted* memory protection, I could just buy AU/X
(or Crash Barrier).  But I spent my moeny on something better
instead: applications that don't crash.  

When will OS2 provide *that* feature?


>Threads?  Maybe you have it, but no one else uses it.  Remember what was
>told to us about standards?  THE APPS HAVE TO USE IT TOO!!!!!!!!

Smack!  I said, wake UP, kid!  I said it's on the Developer's CD.
Every programmer who can afford $30 for a subscription has it.

I won't even tell you about NetWork.  It would be a tragedy for
a kid to have a coronary at your age.

>Yeah, but Finder isn't OOPS is it?  It's just a wanna be.  

And another thing -- don't use big words and acronyms you
don't understand.