HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Credit Cards - What are my rights?
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:34:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

;jensen@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Jensen) writes:
;>Please help.  How many more times do I need to run to the bank to
;>dispute this one charge?

It is simply illegal for them to keep charging your
account.  Each charge to your account requires your
authorization; I presume you only authorized the first
charge (which you subsequently contested).  Any further
charges to your account without your authorization are
fraud.  File a criminal complaint as well as a small-
claims suit.

---
chris
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: Nausea during/after lifting
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:02:46 GMT


sar@philabs.philips.com (Sidney A. Rosenzweig) writes:

>My problem is that somewhere between the second and third sets, I become
>very nauseous....
>Has anyone else had this problem? Sometimes I can't finish my third set
>because I feel like puking so badly.

When I first started lifting, I'd get very naseous. My weight trainer
at the time told me I'd get over it as my endurance increased, and he
was right: I now do much more intense sets than I did when I began, and
I never feel sick.

Back when I started, I found it helped to slow down my pace a bit:
wait a bit longer between sets and exercises (but not so long that
your muscles cool down) if you have the time to spare.

-- 
          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles/Ken Kline
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:28:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul29.142823.180232
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul28.180920.286371@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Lots of aerobic exercise and dieting will not get rid of
>love handles.  I know thin people who never weightlift who have
>love handles, or are in the process of getting them(all men).  The
>original poster (Javier, I think) needs to tighten all that flab 
>(no offense) up.  Aerobics might make them smaller, but then he'll have 
>small flappy love handles, instead of full ones.

The name is Cline, Ken Cline.  I am going to reiterate my advice about
excess midsection fat ('love handles') despite the worn out nature of
this topic and other articles supporting the truth because you, Kathi,
are wrong, and because I am tired of the argumentative, information
free articles you have been posting.

There is a layer of fat above the muscles of the midsection.  When
someone asks how to eliminate 'love handles', they usually want to
know what to do to keep this fat from bulging and giggling.  Contrary
to your belief, fat can not be firmed.  Specific strength training
will just increase strength and muscle size, which is more likely to
accentuate the problem than diminish it.  Thus either fat reduction or
an altered attitude are necessary to improve the situation.

Of course the end result is likely to be smaller love handles.  It is
not practical (nor necessarily desirable) for most people to reduce
subcutaneous fat to this extreme.

Finally, my recommendations involve aerobic exercise and proper diet.
Specifically, long slow distance training (i.e. endurance
cardiovascular workouts) as schedule and ability allow, and a sensible
low fat diet such as those recommended by major health organizations.
I did not mention strength training specifically, because it does not
address the issue at hand, even though regular strength exercise is a
good idea for everyone.

P.S. To Javier:  You are welcome.  Don't worry if results do not
appear right away - they will come.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Legumes and grain not a great combination?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:54:15 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul28.143609.13783@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>I recently scanned an article in a muscle mag (I don't recall the title)
>which said that contrary to popular opinion, combining legumes and
>rice/corn does not provide a lot of protein.  Supposedly, it does
>provide a substantial amount of complete protein, but it also entails 
>consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates.
>
>Does anyone have more info on this?
> 

"Muscle mags" exist for the purpose of promoting product endorsements.
They are not a reliable source of information on anything else,
especially nutrition.

Combining legumes with whole grains is an excellent food source, and
it's cheap. But if you'd prefer to spend money on expensive products
with flashy names like "Amino Fuel," there are those who will be more
than happy to take your money.


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Subject: Re: Knees and Legs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:58:03 GMT

charring@warwick.crd.ge.com (Sam Charrington) writes:

>I'm just starting to lift with free weights and I'm not sure what exercises to do
>for my legs.  The main problem is that my knees aren't strong.  I was told by a
>doctor to work on the tear-drop muscle above the knee to so that my patella will
>move more straight.

     Squats have helped me develop that muscle quite well.  I have good
knees, however...

>In particular, are dead-lifts stressful on the knees (or back for that matter)? 
>Is there any particular technique to doing them that puts less stress on the
>knees?  What about leg extensions, curls?

     I don't feel deadlifts in my knees at all.  I feel most of it it on
my lower back.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Assumptions of Drug Use by Olympians or Anyone Else (Very Informative)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:13:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

A very interesting point has been brought up about drug use in sports.  Just
because someone is unusally big does not mean that they are using drugs,
does it?

Well, these days it is very easy to assume that someone with unusal size or
strength must be using steroids or growth hormone.  I have met several people
with incredible strength and size that really don't use any drugs.  It's hard
to believe because so many people are using drugs these days.

One of the main problems is that some people know what side effects to look
for in drug users.  If someone fits some of these characteristics, the other
person almost always assumes drug use is the cause.  This is quite unfortunate
because these "big" people will always be accused of using drugs even when
they are truly natural.

This is actually something a couple of people brought to my attention.  After
coming off of a bad shoulder injury that I had surgery for, I have made an
amazing recovery.  My strength in many exercises has exceeded my best records,
and I have been lifting for only 4 months with surgery being 6 months ago.
A couple people have thought that I might be using steroids.  I'm only 21,
and I haven't been lifting for a very long time, and I exceed most people
my height and weight (5' 6 1/2", 161 pounds) in strength.

Although I don't show any of the usual side effects of steroid use, I am going
bald, fast.  This is an indication (sometimes) of steroid use.  It is purely
genetic though.  All of the men on my mother's side of the family have heads
like Captain Picard (Patrick Stewart) of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

							-Adam

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     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:35:52 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Jul27.192959.6369@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>Their study
>indicated that metabolic rate only stayed elevated while the heart rate
>was elevated.

Metabolism requires the burning of O2, delivered by bloodstream, the
lazy heart is presumed to work as little as necessary, so there is no
'excess blood flow' at rest.  Not too easily proved, but even sitting
quietly raises pulse over lying or sleeping.  More metabolism requires
either a greater stroke volume, or more efficient extraction of O2 from
the blood, if the pulse is constrained not to rise with metabolism.
In exercise tests, stroke volume rises with pulse rate, up to roughly
100-120, when it is maxed out.  

So the last hope for 'silent metabolism'
is lowered venous O2 concentration after exercise.  Low venous O2 is
one signal for raising heart output, however.

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: love handles/Ken Kline
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:09:20 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Lots of aerobic exercise and dieting will not get rid of
love handles.  I know thin people who never weightlift who have
love handles, or are in the process of getting them(all men).  The
original poster (Javier, I think) needs to tighten all that flab 
(no offense) up.  Aerobics might make them smaller, but then he'll have 
small flappy love handles, instead of full ones.

Actually, too bad this person can't get to a cable machine.  There's
a great exercise I do sometimes when I feel particularly obsessed.  I 
hook a strap on the lower cable (weighted), and wrap the strap around my 
ankle, then stand with your back to the cable, kicking with the weighted 
leg.  You can either keep your leg straight or bend it.
(It's good to hold on to something when you do this)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mukund@jaguar.ece.cmu.edu (Mukund Sivaraman)
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Originator: mukund@jaguar.ece.cmu.edu
Reply-To: mukund@jaguar.ece.cmu.edu (Mukund Sivaraman)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:28:25 GMT


|> dumbbell shoulder exercises (in case my first reply didn't make
|> it to the list) include:
[stuff deleted]
|>      dumbbell bentover lateral raises (rear head)
janice, how do you do these?

- mukund
From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Squat Racks / 7' Chrome Bar
Keywords: Squat Racks
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:08:37 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

I have a pair of custom designed and fabricated squat
racks and a 7 foot chrome bar w/ collars for sale at $50
for the lot.

The racks were fabricated out of 2" square structural
tubing with adjustment holes on 4" centers.  The racks
are 94" high x 12" deep and I designed them to be bolted
to my joists in the basement and anchored to the concrete
floor for solid support.

If you have a basement and need an inexpensive way to do
heavy squats/bench presses etc......give me a call

Don Church  201-386-4947  dec@wheng.att.com
From: ls3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laurence D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Heart rates...
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:13:42 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

All,

I know everyone's is different, but I'm curious to hear what everyone's
at-rest heart-rate is (and age, also).

-Lar
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re:LOOK at what Art Wittman did...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:01:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul22.220122.289041
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Adam Silver asks:

>Would you two like to arm wrestle me too....

  Actually I think I would like to.  I've beaten the 3 men I arm
wrestled(2 of them with both arms).  I'd like to try arm wrestling
with a professional.

K
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:15:58 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <14562@umd5.umd.edu> silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>Flat bench:
>
>Barx12, 135x10, 225x10, 275x5, 315x1, 275x4
>
>Incline bench:
>
>135x10, 185x10, 225x5, 245x2, 225x4
>
>Flat dumbbell presses:
>
>85x10, 85x10, 85x7
>
>My current weight is 162 pounds
>
>							-Adam
>

	Although these figures are very impressive for your weight, Adam, I
	seem to remember your squat poundages were pretty poor. I draw the
	conclusion that this 162 pounds of bodyweight is distributed in favour
	of benching (i.e. upper bosy weighs about 150 and legs about 12!!)

	Laurie (average bench but good total).


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From: sousa.intel.com!jreece@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: rubber band machines
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:02:00 GMT
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.225212.22750@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, 
gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> I'm a bit skeptical about the
> "band" machines.  

I suspect that "band" machines were developed not because the rubber band
allows for a better feel or training effect, but for a practical business
reason.  There's no weight stack to pay to have shipped.


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Not an Intel spokesman  |        this beautiful dam?"  
          |  - Diane Feinstein at Hetch Hetchy
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: rubber band machines
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:51:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul25.203925.8713@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

Gibert,

Thanks for your lengthy, articulate comparison of free weights vs
machines. I agree with you entirely, but don't have the experience
to provide your depth of detail.

I spent the last six months weighing the alternatives for strength
training. I looked at all the home gyms, including one that cost
$1800, and I also considered joining a gym. Here was my conclusion:

Nothing compares to free weights for strength training, both with
respect to results and psychological satisfaction one gets from
just playing with the weights. Even the salesmen who sell home
gyms will concede that point..

Presses on a home gym are boring compared to presses with free
weights using a weight bench. With a home gym, there is no
balancing technique involved, and it is totally unnatural to the
way muscles work.  

I finally ended up buying an Image Olympic weight bench. It's
great. It's commercial quality. It has all sorts of adjustments
to meet the requirements of any sized person.

People who are considering home gyms should reconsider. First
impressions are misleading. To the uninformed, home gyms appear
to have more utility than free weights, but in reality the
converse is true.

P.S.

Yes, I do get my aerobic exercise, too. I'm on Rollerblades several
hours per week.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: RELIV (latest MLM product...heard of it?)
Organization: IDE, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:12:33 GMT

In article <l6o67sINNg25@phobos.cs.utexas.edu> mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff Mahoney) writes:
>
>    I just got invited (read ordered) by my aerobics boss to attend
>a seminar tonight on a new(??) nutritional food supplement called
>RELIV.  It is supposed to give you unlimited energy, and rid you of
>all body fat, etc, etc.  They are using a multi-level marketing
>approach to distribution, and it reminds me 100% of Herbalife.  Their
>seminars consist of people standing up and telling of the great things
>that it has done for them.  Roscoe Tanner is apparently one of the
>big players for this product.  Of course, nobody seems to really know
>what's in the product, only that it works for them (so who cares what's
>in it....right?).
>
>    I'm hoping someone on the net has more detailed info on this product.
>HAs anyone read anything about it?  Anybody got some good tough questions
>that I should ask the sponsors tonight?  Any info on this product,
>or experiences with similar MLM scams are most appreciated.
>
>    Either post or e-mail responses.  If there is any interest, I will
>post tomorrow as to the result of tonights meeting.
>
>-- 
>*** jeff mahoney   e-mail: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu   compuserve: 70243,3525  ***
>** Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, Taylor Hall 2.124,  UT Austin 78712  **
>**   Voice: (512)389-1349      Internet Talk: mahoney@ai.cs.utexas.edu      **
>********* I SOUND MY BARBARIC YAWP OVER THE ROOFS OF THE WORLD!  -WW *********


     I've been waiting for this topic to hit.

     I have several friends who use and/or sell this stuff 
      (for about 4 to 6 months, now).  They swear by it.
     They love it.

     Personally, I avoid most multi-marketing products.  Period.
     To each his/her own.

		Bonnie

  They think
     it	kk
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From: ide.com!forman@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: RELIV (latest MLM product...heard of it?)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:12:00 GMT
Organization: IDE, San Francisco
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <l6o67sINNg25@phobos.cs.utexas.edu> mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff
 Mahoney) writes:
>
>    I just got invited (read ordered) by my aerobics boss to attend
>a seminar tonight on a new(??) nutritional food supplement called
>RELIV.  It is supposed to give you unlimited energy, and rid you of
>all body fat, etc, etc.  They are using a multi-level marketing
>approach to distribution, and it reminds me 100% of Herbalife.  Their
>seminars consist of people standing up and telling of the great things
>that it has done for them.  Roscoe Tanner is apparently one of the
>big players for this product.  Of course, nobody seems to really know
>what's in the product, only that it works for them (so who cares what's
>in it....right?).
>
>    I'm hoping someone on the net has more detailed info on this product.
>HAs anyone read anything about it?  Anybody got some good tough questions
>that I should ask the sponsors tonight?  Any info on this product,
>or experiences with similar MLM scams are most appreciated.
>
>    Either post or e-mail responses.  If there is any interest, I will
>post tomorrow as to the result of tonights meeting.
>
>-- 
>*** jeff mahoney   e-mail: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu   compuserve: 70243,3525  
***
>** Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, Taylor Hall 2.124,  UT Austin 78712  
**
>**   Voice: (512)389-1349      Internet Talk: mahoney@ai.cs.utexas.edu      
**
>********* I SOUND MY BARBARIC YAWP OVER THE ROOFS OF THE WORLD!  -WW 
*********


     I've been waiting for this topic to hit.

     I have several friends who use and/or sell this stuff 
      (for about 4 to 6 months, now).  They swear by it.
     They love it.

     Personally, I avoid most multi-marketing products.  Period.
     To each his/her own.

  Bonnie

  They think
     it kk
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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Triceps
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:51:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul24.171105.1030@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.145031.21742@nrao.edu>, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>> 	nosebreakers -- (anyone know the official name?)
>> 		using a curling bar, hands in the inner position
>> 		70 - 10  Its important to keep you elbows in as much as
>
>Now, I've always done an exercise that was referred to in the books
>I read as "French Presses" or "Lying French Triceps Presses" or some

I've also heard them called SKULL CRUSHERS.

							-Adam

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     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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From: loszewski_im@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MY MATCHES! (was Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:32:01 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <14625@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> In article <nqsxrkj@rpi.edu> cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>>In article <14619@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>>Ron,
>>>
>>>	Remember, I'm going up to Boston in August, so put up or shut up.
>>>I've always wanted to say that, and now I've done it across the whole net.
>>>I'm going to post a list of the people I'm going to take on up there in Boston.
>>>These people can then post to the net whether they won or not.  It will
>>>certainly be NOT!  :-)
>>>
>>
>>I'll be *waiting* - with bells on!  (though it sounds really corny, I've
>>always wanted to say *that*).
>>
>>Are wrist braces allowed?
>>
>>Ron
> 
> Sorry, buddy.  No wrist braces allowed, but you can wear them after I break
> your wrists.  :-)
> 
> Here are some possible matches for me:
> 
> Claude Poux (poo@athena.mit.edu)
> Aleck Alexopoulos (aleck@athena.mit.edu)--over 17" arms
> Robert Cryan Jr (ia00078@maine.maine.edu)
> Ron Cecchini (cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu)
> Rob Loszewski (loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu)
> Art Wittman (wittmann@engr.wisc.edu)--before Boston
> 
> Anyone else?  I need the practice.
> 
> 							-Adam
> 
> -- 
>      **********************************************************************
>      *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>      *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>      **********************************************************************

Yo Adam, Are you on some kind of ego trip or something??  We'll see how good 
you are when you come to Boston.  Hope your arms won't break from the pressure.
Email me man, where are you out there??

Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu  (BOSTON)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: levine@urho.ast.saic.com (Kathleen P. Levine (x5150))
Subject: toning bands
Reply-To: levine@urho.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:57:54 GMT

In various aerobic classes I have used these thin and wide bands made of rubber,
for toning of the arms and legs. (They're usually either dark purple or green).
Does anyone know where I can buy these?
I am only interested in the ones that you can tie the ends together, so that
I can use them for both arms and legs.

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