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From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: clari feed
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:50:05 GMT

My clari feed was all f*cked up this week.  It got down to the line,"because the
Prince would have disquised it as a royal erznex:
	CEVARP PUNEYRF:"
and it stays like that till the end of the article.  Any one else have this
problem?  Maybe they took a little too much labor day, eh?

Sandy
"Not tonight dear, I'm reading..."

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: phickey@eng.clemson.edu (patrick joseph hickey)
Subject: Re: New book? yes.
Reply-To: phickey@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:11:35 GMT

In article 20696@henson.cc.wwu.edu, lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert) writes:
>
>DAVE BARRY DOES JAPAN is on the publishers lists.  I have forgotten
>whether it arrives this fall or early next year.
>Sayonara.
>
>


I read that the Dave Japan book is set for a fall release.

		Pat
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: another happy (and alert) reader
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:51:21 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Sep9.231927.13624@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer) writes:
>

>
>Hmmmm.  From some of his articles (BLUB, in particular) I assumed that
>our pal Dave was a SCUBA diver.  We had a long discussion about this
>on rec.scuba once.  He probably meant his GOD was Neptune, but didn't
>want to frighten you. O-)
                        ^
is this a smiley with a scuba mask on?

if so, cute...

bah.


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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: A new book?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:50:55 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

Anyone know if Dave is planning a new book release soon? 

I mean, its been almost a year (an eternity for Barry fans) since his
Travel Guide book (which I am currently re-reading for the 1,423,356
time...still funny too!)

Please post any responses so anyone else with the same question can
find out too.

Thanks.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear)
Subject: Re: clari feed
Organization: occasional on alternate Tuesdays
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.035005.24988@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>My clari feed was all f*cked up this week.  It got down to the line,"because the
>Prince would have disquised it as a royal erznex:
>	CEVARP PUNEYRF:"
>and it stays like that till the end of the article.  Any one else have this
>problem?  Maybe they took a little too much labor day, eh?
>
>Sandy
>"Not tonight dear, I'm reading..."
>

	Clari sent your article in rot13 mode.  Try refreshing it to standerd
mode and it should transalte back to normal.  I ran your post through rot13 and
was able to read PRINEC CHARLES: ok.  For rn, the command is X or ^X.

John
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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: another happy (and alert) reader
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:16:13 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University


>just got my bumpersticker and letter the other day...i asked dave if i
>could be the official astologer to the president (i'm an astro/physics
>undergrad). he told me his sign was neptune.

Hmmmm.  From some of his articles (BLUB, in particular) I assumed that
our pal Dave was a SCUBA diver.  We had a long discussion about this
on rec.scuba once.  He probably meant his GOD was Neptune, but didn't
want to frighten you. O-)

Kim Dyer
Official Prophet to NED
21329kad@ibm.cl.msu.edu
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: clari feed
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:47:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Nifty -- somebody ROT-13'd it!  By the way, you mis-spelled the first capitalized
word -- it should be CEVAPR, not CEVARP...  :-)

Faith

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From: wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:14:54 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Dave's article also appears weekly in the Hattiesburg American 
newspaper in Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

What a guy!

Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Subject: New book? yes.
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:33:58 GMT


DAVE BARRY DOES JAPAN is on the publishers lists.  I have forgotten
whether it arrives this fall or early next year.
Sayonara.
From: d0ellren@dtek.chalmers.se (Patrik Ellren)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings
Keywords: jordan
Date: 6 Sep 92 09:31:54 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

I thought the _Wheel of Time_ series was to be six books,
although I have NO idea where I heard/read this so it might
be wrong. Good books though.

Patrik Ellren
From: skrishna@cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu (Sarath Krishnaswamy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.071838.20882@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
|> > 	Other favorite authors are: Raymond Feist, Robert Jordan,
|> > Tolkein (of course), Kurtz, Kerr, Glen Cook, Steven Brust, ...
|> > and the list continues.  I'm always looking for new authors, so
|> > suggestions are welcome.
|> > 
|> You simply have to read some of  Stephen Donaldson's books.  All the main
|> characters are flawed, emotional cripples, making it far more interesting
|> reading and character interaction.  Also, for the best fantasy writer, better
|> than Eddings, mind you, is David Gemmel, a British author.  Cheers.

To throw in my own two cents, check out the Fionavar Tapestry trilogy by Guy
Gavriel Kay.  It's just come out in paperback in the US (I had to get my set
in Canada; the last book didn't show up here for a _long_ time), and consists
of three titles:  _The Summer Tree_, _The Wandering Fire_, and _The Darkest Road_.
While I'll second the recommendations above in general (Donaldson's _Mordant's
Need_ set is excellent), the Fionavar Tapestry is the best high fantasy I've 
ever read.


Sarath.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 17:00:09 -0400 
From: "Jeffrey E. Byrne" <jbcj+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
	<1992Sep8.012454.4434@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>

>	In a recent posting, the question and response was:	

	How was Poledra the Child Of Light at Vo Mimbre?

     no no no no no. To my knowledge it was POLGARA. I remember her telling
C'nedra that during the battle of Vo Mimbre that one of the hardest things to
do was to defy Torak to force him into the battle with Brand, where he was to
be defeated by the orb.
>
>Barry Miller


	-Sorry, Barry.  Poledra was the child of light at the battle of Vo
Mimbre.   Polgara simply had the task to defy Torak's offer of marriage,
which was akin to Silk's task to guide the group in their many
wanderings, or Barak's task of protecting the child of light. They were
not the child of light, they were just a part of the whole course of
events which brought about the meeting of light and dark.   
	 Anyway, I remember a quote by Poledra in the Mallorean somewhere where
she said something to the effect of "I was the child of light at the
Battle of Vo Mimbre".  Anyone who is curious can look it up, because I'm
sure it is there.  Sorry, dude.

						Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:14:49 GMT

In article <BuBGvG.MoE@acsu.buffalo.edu> you write:

>I don't know...I kept getting the impression throughout the series that
>Eddings couldn't quite make up his mind whether or not Belgarion was 
>immortal.  He continued aging after becoming a sorcerer, for one thing, 
>                                                   --Ben

Even though he is immortal, of course Garion will age.  If not, all the
sorcerers would still be babies!

I don't think that sorcerers are immortal; there is evidence that they will
get old and eventually die.  For example, Belgareth is older than everyone,
and _looks_ older.  Polgara is the youngest (besides Garion) and she looks
it.  She is four thousand years old, which, when I look at the descriptions
of her, would be equilavent to about 40 in human years.  Belgareth is seven
thousand years old, about 60 or 70 of our years.  I'm not suppositioning
(big word here! May be misspelled!) that there are exact correlations between
human years and their centuries, but it's approximate.

So, I think they are not immortal, just long-lived.  And they do age, just
that the rate of aging is far slower.  Some periods are obviously faster,
because we see Garion go from boy to thirtysomething in the proper amount
of years.  Like dogs.  They go from puppy to adult in a year; then they have
a period of adulthood that lasts about 10 years, then they are old for about
five years.

But I digress.  And ramble.

Marnita  
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: polowin@chem.queensu.ca (Joel Polowin)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Organization: Dept. of Chemistry, Queen's University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:29:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.092735.58765@cc.usu.edu> gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud) writes:
>>>>BTW, how did the orb get placed in the shield in the first place?
>>>>After all there was no one around who could touch it.
>> 
>> Remember that the Orb is fairly intelligent.  Perhaps it was possible to
>> explain to it that it needed to get to the battle, and maybe it let Brand
>> touch it, only to transport it.
>
>I have two theories:
>
>One:  Since Poledra was the child of light at the time, maybe she put the orb
>on the shield.  If she was "physical" enough to remove the cover, she could
>have place the orb there in the first place.
>
>Two: Belgarath and Polgara were keeping the rivan line hiden at the time.
>They could have snuck one of them into the castle and had him do the orb
>shifting.  

Maybe someone put on a pair of gloves?  (Note that nobody was in the least
worried about the Orb while Errand was carrying it -- as long as it was in
the leather pouch.  They didn't worry about the Orb IN THE POUCH touching
and frying someone; several people carried Errand, held him in laps, etc.,
without concern.)

As for the how-old-do-sorcerers-get question... would anyone buy the shape-
changing as the key to it all?  When a sorcerer shifts back into his/her
human form, s/he has to mentally build up the image of how the body should
be.  It's a case of "you're as old as you think you are."

Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Keywords: poledra, Vo Mimbre
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:24:54 GMT

In article <8214@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Barry E. Miller) writes:
>
>	How was Poledra the Child Of Light at Vo Mimbre.

     no no no no no. To my knowledge it was POLGARA. I remember her telling
C'nedra that during the battle of Vo Mimbre that one of the hardest things to
do was to defy Torak to force him into the battle with Brand, where he was to
be defeated by the orb.
>
>Barry Miller

Matthew Wadwell. Uni of NSW. 
Australia.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:31:09 PDT

In article <BuBGvG.MoE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.053345.8041@news.ysu.edu>, ac463@yfn.ysu.edu (Rich Yauman) writes...
>> 
>>Durnik not being called BelDurnik doesn't bother me,  but I wonder
>>about is the fact that Belgarath comments thats its been a long time
>>since they have had a new brother... but what about Garion?

Aldur never actually pronounces Garion a disciple.  Of course, that
begs the question of where Garion got his "Bel."

> He continued aging after becoming a sorcerer, for one thing, 
> and then there was the business of needing an heir.  If he is immortal,
> it's likely to be pretty hard on him, as he will have to watch his wife
> and possibly most of his children grow old and die while he remains young.

As someone else pointed out, even sorcerers can be killed, thus the need
for an heir.  Besides, it was the Rivan people who were itching for an
heir, not Garion or any of the other people in a position to understand
the implications of his possible immortality.

The age thing is something that Eddings never adequately explains.  Garath
first used the Will and the Word as a young man, but the Belgarath of the
stories is an old man.  We can assume that Polgara also used sorcery at
an age earlier than her apparant age at the time of the books.  The real
question then is, "At what age do sorcerers 'stabilize' and stop aging?"

As for the age old immortality curse of watching others grow old and die,
Garion will indeed have to face that the same way that Belgarath and
Polgara had to watch Beldaran for example.  But Ce'Nedra might not be a
problem.  She is a Dryad, after all, and they live as long as their trees.
While trees aren't immortal, Queen Xantha is implied to be rather old,
and I imagine that Ce'Nedra's tree will live quite a while with some
sorcerous encouragement from Garion.

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From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:25:57 GMT

In article <195959INN98@disaster.Germany.EU.net> you write:
>In article <1992Sep9.173326.58742@cc.usu.edu>, gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud) writes:
>> BTW, how did the orb get placed in the shield in the first place?
>> After all there was no one around who could touch it.
>
>As far as I know all childs of light were able to touch the orb of Aldur
>(Garion, Errand) and as a child of light in the battle of Vo Mimbre Poledra
>should also be able to handle the orb. May be she placed it to the shield and
>that was her task there. This is only my personal guess, not a strong statement
>;-)

Now I'm confused.  I thought only the Rivan line, not the Child(s) of light
could touch the Orb.  Errand was able to touch it because of his complete
innocence.

Come to think of it, Poledra was of the Rivan line, after she married Riva.
Hmmmm.

Marnita
From: jeg@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: An heir
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:10:10 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <IWILLIAM.92Sep4152850@a-hp.au.oracle.com> iwilliam@au.oracle.com (Ian Williams) writes:
>Someonme may be able to tell me just WHY Belgarion needed an heir when he
>was to all extents and purposes immortal... Would Riva have been so concerned
>about a lack of an heir???

Actually, there are two reasons:  
1) stagnation.  After too long, you need fresh blood.  You keep the same ruler
   for too long, and things start getting too old, too common, too routine.
2) the real reason, however, is quite simple:  Would YOU like to do the same
   thing year after year, decade after decade, century after century...?  I'd
   be bored outta my mind within the first 20 years, more than likely.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: mkorth@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Poledra Married Riva?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:29:51 GMT

wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) writes:

>Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
>Subject: poledra being married to riva
>Summary: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
>Keywords: 

>This is my first news posting, so apologies in advance for blunders.

>Just a note to comment that I thought Beldaran, not Poledra,
>married Riva. If so, then Poledra would still be "only" the Child
>of Light and not part of the line of Riva.

>Also, I remember something about only male heirs had the silvery mark
>on their palm to allow  them to safely touch the orb. And Belgarath
>said somewhere that the Rivan line was peculiar in that there was
>always only one child, a boy, no "cousins, aunts, etc." Makes me
>wonder why it changed when Garion had Geran, as he was then allowed
>to have lots of daughters...

>Nathan Wallace

>wallacen@mozart.colosate.colorado.edu

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What about the Orb itself being the Child of Light?  After all, it *was*
directly responsible for Torak's maiming, and many of the books speak of
Torak contending with the Orb for thousands of years...

Another possibility for a Child of Light outside the Rivan line (OK, it'
s not substantiated anywhere in the books... oh well) would be Aldur, UL,
and possibly some others.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: g92k4260@ru.ac.za (Bryan Kilian)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Reply-To: csbk@alpha.ru.ac.za
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:46:19 GMT

Marnita Asher (asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:

> I strongly disagree.  I think it's obvious that the sorcerers age.  When they
> go back to their human forms from whatever animal they were, they have go
> back to their body as it is, not as they would like it to be.  Remember in
> the Mallorean when Beldin disguises himself as the clown/jester?  In _Demon
> Lord of Karanda_ he almost loses the disguise, due to being drunk with Vella.
> Obviously, to be in any other human form besides your true one requires a
> lot of concentration.  I don't think a sorcerer could permanently alter their
> human form.
> 
> Marnita

I have to disagree with you. In the prologue of one of the books it shows
that Belgarath looked the same as he does now. I think Ageing with Sorcerors
is irrelevant. Senji points out that if he hadn't have discovered his sorcery
powers in his normal lifetime he would've died. It may be a result of the
fact that they gather will from their surroundings when they use sorcery.
(although how that would affect it I don't know. It's just a theory. :-) )

Bryan 

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From: millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Barry E. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: DURNIK vs Beldurnik
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:04:28 GMT


	First of all, I'm not the one who said POLGARA was Child
Of Light at Vo Mimbre, I asked the question about how POLEDRA
was present at Vo Mimbre to be child of light.
	I don't remember the characters having a discussion of
what to call Durnik in the novels.  I do remember Durnik saying
he was a simple man and simple men only need one name, their
original one.  I don't Belgarath and Beldin even considered 
calling Durnik, Beldurnik.

Barry

"A trail of magic runs behind him,
 The man of spells has come to visit you."

	"Man Of Spells"-Tony Banks (Genesis)
From: benyob@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Brett R. Benyo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:08:23 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

Other authors...

   Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman's series "Rose of the Prophet" - excellent
   plot with some new twists.  Some minor points weren't explained 
   well enough for me, but overall a great series

   Margaret Weis's "Star of the Guardians".  Not fantasy, but SF (more like
 a future fantasy series than true SF).  I loved it.



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I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...
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From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Who is Gemmel?\
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:19:37 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22


 
> PS> I've read Kay (loved Fionovar, thought Tigana was boring.),
>     Donaldson (loves cripples), never heard of Gemmel. Who is
>     he?
David A Gemmel is a British author first published in the early 1980's.
A former jounalist, his first novel was Legend (known as Against the 
Horde in the U.S.)  later novels are:  Waylander, King Beyond the Gate,
Wolf in Shadow, Ghost King, The Last Sword of power, The Last Guardian,
Quest for Lost Heroes, The Knights of Dark Renown, The Lion of Macedon,
Dark Prince, Morningstar.  He is an absolutly brilliant author, the best of
a fantastic bunch being Legend.  As far as I've been able to work out,
all his novels have been set on Earth, either in the past, or in the far 
future after the Earth toppled on its side, destroying civilisation and
reverting to a fuedal, fantasy setting.  Their is magic involved in his
books, no science fiction except mention of remnants of out time.  Hunt them\
down, and your life, and reading habits will be irrevocably changed.  I
guarantee it!!!