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Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photog
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:37:00 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

In article <1992Jul24.175754.25415@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>
>This is a generic flame - not really intended for any particular poster....
>
>Do any of these "want-to-be pros" give any thought to the fact that they may
>be interfering with the work of real pros - i.e. guys who are trying to make
>a living, not just having fun? If I were a photographer who's livelyhood
>depended on getting good shots I'd be very annoyed (to put it mildly) at these
>guys getting under my feet. 

Those who seem to complain the most are those 'pros' who are rather lazy and
/or easily challenged, who think that they required the exclusivity
of a badge or pass in order to compensate for their lack of talent or energy.


IN a more specific regard, I was a professional photographer in the 
photojournalism area for several years in Chicago at the Sun Times and Daily
News (Field Enterprises) and have encountered 'citizen' photographers (I don't
like the classification of 'amateur' for any purpose.)  When they _seemed_
to intefere with 'spot news', I'd consider them just part of the event.
For example, during the riots many people from the high-placed pros to the 
person on the stree twere trying to document the event.  Pictures of
photographers being beaten by cops _were part of the story_. Same thing in
more benign circumstances.  We did overviews as well as tight shots which
tend to focus to exclude the event.
From: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Novice 4x5 field gear questions
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH

--
In article <f29Y032O43lc00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, bjs@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman) writes:
>I started out with one of the Peak 8x loupes which was doing double
>duty between the field and the darkroom.  I had trouble with condensation
>on the groundglass in cold, moist weather.

That's simple to to deal with.  All you need is the Zone VI Focusing
Snorkel.  On those cold days when you're likely to fog up the focusing
screen with your breath, you just pop the Zone VI Focusing Snorkel in
your mouth and dive under the focusing cloth.  It draws fresh air from under
the cloth, but expels the warm, moist exhaled breath down the tube and out
from under the focusing cloth.  Works for me.

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From: ditch@prefect.uucp (26217-ditch)
Subject: Re: New Nikon Equipments.  Nikinos RS & SB-104
Reply-To: ditch@prefect.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:43:02 GMT

In article <!xqmk=a.hchong@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
[stuff from others about escalating prices of Nikon cameras deleted]

>Do you get a feeling that we are in for a ride.  I bet many of us mortgaged
>a big chunk of our credit card because we thought this was going to be
>THE ULTIMATE camera for the 90's!  If Nikon is going to take the large
>sales of F4s' as a norm and take us for granted, then we might soon have to
>pay $10,000 just for a "somewhat super-motorized" 300/2.8 ED AF. 

Wait a minute.  In a time of rapid technological change, I'm surprised
that anyone would expect any competitive company to freeze it's
product development.  If Nikon (or Canon, or Minolta, or Pentax, etc)
thinks it can make more money by offering "improved" models, then
I expect to see them in the marketplace.  And if a newer model comes
out, I would hope that consumers would be a bit more realistic about
their own perceived need for the new model.  Buying an F4 because you
"thought this was going to be the ultimate camera of the 90's" doesn't
say much about your view of changing technology (it seems to me that
there are about 7 more years left in the 90's).  I would hope that
you purchased an F4 because it was the best camera available to
fit your needs and your budget at the time you needed it.

I further espect that Nikon will be subject to the same market factors
that all other competitive companies experience.  If Nikon decides
to price a product much higher than an equivalent product from Canon,
Minolta, Pentax, etc, then consumers can "vote with their wallet"
and switch to another brand.  Consumers are already buying Tamon,
Sigma, etc lenses for their cameras because they find the value/price
tradeoff to their liking.

In the meantime, I'll continue to use my Nikon 8008 (non S) bodies
with my Nikkor 400 F5.6 EDIF manual focus lens and TC14 converter.
Although I would like the mioor lock up, matrix metering with manual
lenses, and other features of an F4, I'm doing fine with the much
less expensive 8008 bodies.  And even if I could find lots of wildlife
to shoot with a 300 F2.8 AF lens, my old 400 is a lot easier to carry
and only cost me $400 when I lucked into it used.  I'll just keep my
eyes open for used F4s and 300/2.8s when the "improved" products hit
the stores and someone else feels the urge to get the very latest.

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From: Mitch_Halpern@qm.sri.com (Mitch Halpern)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: New Nikon Body?
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:23:13 GMT
Organization: SRI International


A while back, the net was filled with rumors about new cameras from Nikon 
and Minolta.  The Minolta rumor has obviously panned out with the release 
of the 9xi, but info about any new Nikons have been nonexistent.  Does 
anyone on the net have any additional insight into the Nikon situation?  
If I remember correctly, there was a post that stated that when Nikon 
offers rebates on a camera model it is a good clue that they are about to 
replace it; at least that's what happened with the 8008/8008s.  Since it's 
rebate galore time on both the 8008s and 6006 until the end of August, 
beginning of September are we to expect 2 new models? (This would appear 
highly unlikely for a company as conservative as Nikon, but who knows...)




There is no one to blame for these opinions except myself....
From: bjs@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Recommendation for B & H
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: bjs@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I just posted some comments on reduced expectation when dealing with
mail order companies and it made me think of a recent good experience with
B & H.

Tuesday: I call and order a bunch of sheet film and some Mido film holders.  I
		 have it shipped 2nd day air because I need them within 3 weeks and
		 want to be absolutely sure that they'll arrive.  (I've found that
		 arrival here on the west coast in 3 weeks when ordering from Adorama
		 is not unheard of.)  

Wednesday: B & H *calls me* to tell me that they're sorry byt the film holders
		   were not in stock after all.  Would I prefer for them to ship the
		   film only or wait for the holders to arrive or just cancel the
		   whole order?  He says that the holders are expected in a couple
		   of days.  I say to hold the whole order.

Monday:    I call their customer service number and talk with someone 
		   different.  She says that, no, the holders have not yet been
		   received by them.  She's gone from the phone for several minutes
		   and then returns to say that she's talked with the buyer and 
		   he's confident that they'll arrive no later than Wednesday.  
		   What would I like to do?  I explain that I have a time constraint
		   and we agree that we'll wait until Friday and I'll check with
		   them then and cancel the order if they've not yet shipped the 
		   order to me.

Tuesday:   I receive a postcard apologizing for the backorder and promising
		   to get to me ASAP.

Thursday: The complete order arrives.

I think that this is operating very much like I'd expect a "class" operation
like Eddie Bauer, Calumet, Light Impressions to.  I'm impressed.  This is the
second time that they've called me when there was a problem with an
order.  I don't really see how they provide this level of service while 
maintaining their amazingly low prices.  But they've won my business.

Barry

No, I'm not affiliated with them in any way, except for providing a channel
for money flow between the bank accounts of Amdahl Corp. and B & H.  :-)


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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: Aperture for Nikon and Sigmas
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul13.192912.6142@u.washington.edu> janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>In article <710944109.F00002@therose.pdx.com> Robert.Church@f319.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Robert Church) writes:
>>
>> MC> Hello, I am trying to decide between a Nikon 35-70mm zoom/f 3.3-4.5 macro,
>> MC> and a Sigma 28-70/f 3.5-4.5 UC. However, I do not know what their minimum
>> MC> apertures are.
>>
>> Sure you do!  For the Nikon, at 35mm it is f3.3.  On the Sigma at 28mm it is
>> f3.5.
>>
>>    -Rob
>
>
>
>Yeah..I noticed my posting mistake, I meant maximum ap.
>

i think you were correct the first time: 3.3 is the maximum aperture.
(smallest number, yes, but maximum aperture.)

sorry i can't help you with the minimum, but would you mind me asking
why that's a concern for you?

duane
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:05:07 GMT
	<1992Jul27.183007.4408@clark.edu>
Organization: CSUA/UCB
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: gsnow@clark.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 18:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.183007.4408@clark.edu> gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:
   In article <3830294@hpldsla.sid.hp.com> tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich) writes:
   >
   >It may take such credentials to get into an event, depending on who's in
   >charge.  The bottom line is that you have to convince the guard that you
   >have a legitimate need to be there, and won't be a liability to his/her
   >organization. What it comes down to is: can you talk the talk and walk
   >the walk? Are you credible? Attitude probably counts heavily. Act like you
   >belong there.

Acting like you belong there etc. may let you go unnoticed by the
guards, but they're still *not* supposed to let you in if you don't
have the right pass.  Guards are supposed to enforce previously-made
decisions about press access, not make the decisions.  I also expect
that in most of these situations you have to sign a liability release
in order to get a pass; that's one reason passes are required.
The release NASA made us sign to cover the space shuttle launch
was pretty amazing.  We thought they were sure we were gonna die.
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: draining 1.5v rechargables? HOW?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:06:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <Bs0F0I.D3q@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:
>What is the best way to drain rechargeable batteries?
>I have 4 Nicads for my Vivitar 636 flash and although the ready light won't
>come on, the batteries still have a fair bit of juice left. I guess that
>it is best to drain them COMPLETELY before recharging...umm...so I need a
>method of doing this.

You don't really need to completely run them down.  Just charge them.
Now it is true that at least at one time some NiCd cells had/have a
"memory effect", whereby if they are only partially discharged and
then recharged for a zillion cycles, they will eventually refuse put
out power below what they've gotten used to.  However the spec sheet
for the Panasonic rechargables claims they are free of this problem.

Anyway, if you do still want to discharge them all the way, do each
cell individually.  Otherwise the cells with more power reverse charge
the less powerful ones, ruining them.  The simplest thing would be a
flashlight bulb for single cell flashlights.  Or you could get some
chunk of wire that had 2 or 3 ohms resistance.  (Old editions of the
CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics had tables telling ohms per foot
of copper wire for various gauges, if you don't have a meter.)

  -- David Jacobson
From: suew@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Sue Wood)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:06:33 GMT
Subject: Blemishes on Slides
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Can anyone point to the cause of this problem:

	I had two rolls of slide film developed by Kodalux. One
	roll was the newer 400X ectachrome, the other was 400HC.
	I purchased both rolls from a local camera shop which has
	a good reputation.  the 400X was refrigerated.

	Both rolls came back with blemishes on all frames.  These
	"blemishes" look like tiny starfish with thin squiggly legs
	(pardon the high tech description).

	There are hundreds of these things on some frames.  I didn't
	see them when viewing the slides on a light table but they
	sure popped out at me when projected.  The color of these
	patterns is greyish brown.  The density and number vary with
	each frame.

	this looks to me like a chemical problem in the development,
	especially since they were developed on the same day at the
	same lab. 

	Anyone have a better explanation? 


 Sue **Bummed out** Wood
 suew@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Flash sync classes
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.072941.7872@u.washington.edu>, watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) writes:

> If the lenses have an integral shutter...  Why would they have an X sync
> since leaf shutters sync at any speed?
> 

Because the X refers to the timeing of the contact closure vs shutter opening.
The classes are: X  no delay
                 MF 10-15 ms
                 M  15-25 ms
                 S  25-35 ms
                 FP ~15 ms delay, but a long peak time, ~60ms.

~Paul
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 8008s = F801s
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:41:28 GMT
Distribution: rec.photo
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Jul21.143015.8394@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> hofmann@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Jenns Hofmann) writes:
>
>Here in Germany there is no 'Nikon 8008s',but I suppose it's exactly the
>same like the 'Nikon F801s' that is sold in Europe.
>Am I right ?
> 

Yes, you are right.  Besides in the home country of Nikon, there is no 8008s butF801S.  I don't know the reason but here is a quote from my friend's husband who is a Spanish: "American people must like big numbers."
	(Please don't flame me!  I have no particular intention...)

	Tetsuya Nishimura
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 22:01:59 EDT
From: Damon Kiesow <IO80861@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Novice questions: Reciprocity, EV
 <1992Jul22.021348.19256@amex-trs.com>

In article <1992Jul22.021348.19256@amex-trs.com>, skimmel@amex-trs.com (Steve
Kimmel) says:
>The old zeiss syncro-compur shutters used in contaflex cameras and
>old hasselblad lenses (don't know about any new hb equipment) had the
>aperture and shutter speed linked together on the barrel of the lens.
>around on the bottom side of the barrel were ev markings which were
>set from a light meeter.  Once the ev was set, turning the aperture ring
>also turned the shutter speed ring so  5.6  8  16  22
>                                       30  60 125 250
>moved as one.  Acutally it was a pretty convenient feature.

    This is the same idea as shiftable progam as on EOS and etc.
    cameras right?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: A question about Archiever 630AF Flash ?
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:59:51 EST
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

In article <BrvLE4.9pI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, amg8408@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avijit
 Moitra) wrote:
> Has anyone used the Archiever 630AF flash for Minolta Maxxum 7000 or any
> other camera ?  I would like to get some feed back about the performance 
> of this flash, as I am considering bying one.
> Is there any other better flash of similar strength (90+ Guide No.) that
> will work with Minolta Maxxum 7000 (not the I series) ?  An e-mail or a
> posting will be highly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Avijit-

I am not familiar with the name, "Archiever".  The number "630AF" sounds
like a Vivitar model.  I would guess that the Archiever might be made by
the same company that makes Vivitar, but for sale outside the U.S.

I have had several Vivitar flashes over the years.  They are generally
reliable, and seem to function well, although they may not be as sturdy as
one made by a major camera manufacturer.  If the Archiever is actually a
Vivitar, rather than a "knock off", it is probably a good unit.

For a point of comparison, one Minolta flash for the 7000, is the "4000AF".
 It has a guide number of 40 (meters), or 131 (feet).  There is also a
Minolta 2800AF, which has GN 28 (M) or 92 (F).  The latter appears to
compare with the 630AF, according to your Guide Number data.

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
From: ria@dash.udev.cdc.com (Richard Askew)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Shooting into the sun
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:58:39 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig) writes:
: I'd like to shoot an early morning sceene over a wetland with a lot of ground
: fog.  The shot is toward the east so the morning sun is right there.  I want
: to use B&W film and do my own processing (35mm).
: 
: Any suggestions on film, exposure, processing would be appreciated!
: 
: TANKS
: 
Its a while since I've done B&W, but I've tried this with CPrint
 - with varying results.
The thing I was after was the detail of the mist which needs fine grain 
- the slower ASA the better!
My biggest problem was controlling the iris-shaped flare (I try to lose it).
The good news: B&W can probably handle the contrast range of this kind of 
shot. Unless you're using spotmeter, you may have to bracket a bit more.
If its the velvet effect of the mist your after, this is a good area
to concentrate on with the meter.
Another thing I found was the need for something in the forground (Tree?)
to add some depth.

Best of luck ! 
	
--
Richard Askew
Information Management Centre
Control Data Systems Inc
London (UK)
Internet: ria@cdl.cdc.com
FAX (+44) 81 848 3134
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 8008s = F801s
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:53:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23313
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Liberty Corner NJ

In article <1992Jul23.105253.15967@sys.sweden.dg.com> robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes:

> Yes. The manufacturers has a disturbing habit of renaming equipment for
> the American market.

Why is that disturbing?
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 25 Jul 1992 00:37:25 EDT
From: Damon Kiesow <IO80861@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Bell & Howell movie camera

Hi, I hope movie cameras might fall under rec.photo.
I just found an old (I think) movie camera and don't know what
to make of it. it is made by Bell & Howell, all it says on it is
"electric eye" it is about 2 inches wide and 5-6 inches tall, the
body is mostly a metallic black with a large viewfinder on top
a film speed switch 10,16,20-25,32-40 on the side of the viewfinder
a hand crank to wind up the shutter for a couple minutes of recording
on the bottom of the same side and a small counter for feet(?) of film.
    The other side has a small dial to take the entire panel off to
get into the film chamber.
    On the front is a small lens and the hood on it says "Bell & Howell
10mm f/1.9 Super Comat" Above the lens to the left is a small needle
light meter which takes readings from a grid below the lens. Everything
seems to work perfectly.
   If anyone is familiar with these things I'd like to know anything
I could about it. Thanks in advance

Damon Kiesow IO80861@Maine / 71131,1635 / 207-581-3059
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:35:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From article <1992Jul24.041623.15860@PacBell.COM>, by jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria):
> Your second point has validity insofar that a press pass is
> required.  However, if it looks *official*, you can get by
> most lines of security.  Case in point.  A friend of mine
> sent something like $50 to an organization (IFPO?) and he
> received a very official looking Membership Card.  He has
> strapped his F4 & 8008 Nikons with his 300mm lens on one
> body and a zoom on the other, monopod, photo vest and his
> Membership Card pinned to his vest and has been able to
> shoot with the *press* folks at the Oakland A's/San
> Francisco Giants/49er's/concerts without anyone ever
> stopping him. (I believe he pasted a passport photo on the
> card and re-laminated it.)

So we need maybe a camera jacket, a 2nd camera, a 300/2.8 or any non-mirror
lens with a big, big, front element, some official-looking badge with
your photo.  Wonder if we can have a survey on how well it works?

p.s. F4s = $1500, 8008s = $700, 300/2.8 AF = $3000, and more.  After those
     kind of money, they better let me in!
From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: PZ-1 over the EOS 10s, N8008s
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:39:08 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Originator: asanders@sparta


| The PZ-1 has a programmable image tracking and "zoom clip", 
| you can preset two focal lengths... and presto, 105mm without 
| thinking!
		-Mark Newton-John

"Without thinking" is right! Gimmicky bells & whistles have about as 
much to do with photography as racing stripes have to do with driving.
To believe that "features" like these are reasons to choose one camera
over another is to be seduced by Advertising in the worst sense of
the word.
		-Alan