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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:10:36 -0400 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: LSH: Timberwolf

Ya know, until I read the bit in the back of LSH #34, I was planning to
pick up the Timberwolf miniseries. Now I don't think it'll be
worthwhile... :-( Did DC really think that that would _attract_ more
readers to the mini?

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Dave Sim and feminism (Re: feminist comics?)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:57:02 GMT

In article <92238.173119U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <176t1pINN3u7@agate.berkeley.edu>, Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
>says:
>>=o= Not all feminism is the same thing.  Don't make the same
>>mistake that Dave "duh" Sim makes when trying to talk about
>>feminism.
>Yeeesh. He's _still_ ranting about this in the letters column? I haven't
>bought an issue of CEREBUS in years,but I seem to recall that f*m*n*sm is
>a major-league bugaboo where he's concerned. Is it really taking this long
>for him to get over his divorce,or what?

Well, it appears to be the radical feminists who get his goat - the ones
who do things like hold "Take Back the Night" rallies.  I don't pay enough
attention to his ranting to be able to tell if he makes the mistake of
assuming those are the *only* feminists still around.  I just stare
at the pretty pictures he draws and pretend I know what's going on...

But feminism is such a loaded word to begin with and this is not the
time nor the newsgroup for debating about it in...
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: What's with "The Human Target" (Hey, DC readers!)?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:12:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.173150.5245@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.153611.1261@cco.caltech.edu> whicken@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Wendell Hicken) writes:
>>In article <la6oglINNmk3@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> rockstea@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Courtney C. Rockstead) writes:
>>>	Hi.  I've become an avid watcher of the Rick Springfield series,
>>>"The Human Target", Saturdays on ABC.  At the end it says that it is
>>>based on a DC comics character by Wein and Infantino.  I thought they
>>>meant The Avenger from a two-parter called "Justice, Inc." (man, that
>>>was good!), but they don't.  So, does anyone know what they do mean?
>>They mean "The Human Target" from DC.  The only comics I have of him
>>are backup stories in the old Detective Comics.  Same basic premise of
>>a guy who wears makeup to save other people's lives.  
>
>I'm not sure he was ever in 'Tec, but he did play back-up for Action
>in the early-mid 400's.
>
He was in Action 419-423, and not in Detective, but I'm pretty sure he had
another short back-up run a little after that.  I had thought he was a lot
older charcter who was brought back, but I guess not.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................      
"It was all weird names and shit, I can't remember any of that stuff."        
   --- Grant Morrison (DP 58)                                                 
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses (was re: STARLIN SELLOUT?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:54:01 GMT

In article <5034@news.duke.edu> eja@soc14.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:
>What other Marvel stiffs are untouchable?  I'd guess Uncle Ben, and um...
>well, I can't really think of anyone else after the Parker Parents fiasco.  

How about:

Norman Osborne
Gwen Stacy (pseudo-clones do NOT count)
Captain Stacy
the Professor who helped Stark make the Iron Man armor (forget his name)
Mar-Vell (I hope, I hope)
The Ancient One

There are probably others.  At one time I would've said the Swordsman and
Jean Grey, but now...

>Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
>eja@acpub.duke.edu

The Walrus
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:53:50 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
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Chris Eccleston (kdontas@gmuvax2.gmu.edu) wrote:
: replaced a Courtney Ross, but I think the Alysdane/Alysande
: thing is too big to ignore.  Responses welcome.
  All it means is that Alys_Dane is yet another long lost sister of Lorna.
: 	CAGE
-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Fri Sep  4 18:53:48 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: X-Problems? X-answers...
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:40:14 GMT

sl859@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: 	I do enjoy this story because of Rogue and Psylocke, a duo I 
: have enjoyed since their first creations, yes, I have been reading them
: this long...  I just wish they had more character and less boob shots!

No....wow! Now *THAT* would be an idea.

In fact, Claremont actually started this with Rogue, and was
just beginning on psylocke when he got himself canned. (It would
take *years* to get it done -- look at Storm!)

: Rogue and Psylocke have ENORMOUS potential to becoming great characters
: but no one seems to be able to manage writing a story that will develope
: their characters beyond the point of "look at my breasts I am in lust 
: with Cyclops/Gambit"

Yeah. That's what you get for having WASHED-OUT What The-?! WRITERS AND
OTHER HACKS on exceptional books like the X-Men. *Everything* becomes a 
lampoon of what it once was.

: 	UG is right!  The way they handled Callisto and the Morlocks was 
: DISPICABLE!   

Oh! Those were ***MORLOCKS**! Now I understand what the story was!
I thought they were Slime Mutants or something.

: And to make his brother go mad and then the thing with 
: Storm and Forge after all the time building the characters up to dash them
: away is simply UNFORGIVABLE!  

I KNOW! Claremont had built Storm and Forge up so much, and they
were finally coming to fruition, and even Byrne&Lee were going along
with the natural order of things, and ..

...WHAM!!!!!!!!

[X-Factor] : 	The art sucks and the story is really slow moving.

Amen.

Scott
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Prof.X, his school, and higher education
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:57:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:

>In article <92232.131615ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>     It seems that the smartest X-man is Hank McCoy (Beast).

>In raw intellect, I'd have to go with Kitty. When she gets to be Hank's
>age, she'll be twice the brain he is (and cuter).

>As for character dimension, I think the greatest bit of character creating
>is the Wolverine/Jubilee team up. It says more about the two of them than
>anything else I can think of. 

It's about the only teamup they have with any 'personality' at this point.
Of course, that only really comes out in Wolvie's book.

Sue
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:08:59 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>It is self evident why LS is such scum. She took some of the most
>complex and real characters EVER MADE in comics and in most other
>media, and turned them into one dimensional stereotypes. She
>randomly killed and booted off characters when she couldn't
>get a real plot, and brought her own cardboard characters in
>to replace them.

>Instead of insights into growing up, she spoon feeds overused
>teenage stereotypes.

>Instead of real art, there's Blevins.

The only work by Louise Simonson that I've read is her work in
X-Factor. Her story in issues #63 and #64 was one of the best
X-Factor stories. I suppose having Portacio as a penciller is
a help though.

Jed
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 05:44:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>: Magneto

>Let's see... is he a good guy or a bad guy this week?

He's dead -- but the week ain't over yet.

Sue
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
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Subject: Excalibur Dangling Plotlines
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:13:25 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

Hello!

In case you were wondering what happened to them...

By mutual agreement, I have taken the list over from R. Travis Jones.
I haven't been able to get too much done, as I've been in a drawn out
moving process... :(
However, by next week, me, my computer, and my comics collection will
all be in the same place, so I'll be able to finish off the set of
one paragraph summaries for each issue that Mr. Jones was working on,
and from that, resolve and generate new danglers.

The timing is just as well, IMHO, since the current storyline is going
to both end some REAL OLD danglers as well as generating a bunch of
new ones, I bet.

-- 
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Marvel Girl/Woman
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:46:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BtqBwp.Eu0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
 [Referring to the mind-linking scene in the new Infinity Wart...]
 I also wondered at first why Charlie couldn't do it all by himself.  Have
 his powers really weakened that much?  Or is it because he doesn't have the
 time now he had then to prepare?  Probably the latter.  Either that, or it's
 a goof on someone's part....

Well, y'know, four heads are better than one :-)

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 05:49:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .) writes:

>gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:

>>Gosh, right after i post a mild gripe about Davis' writing, he comes back
>>with something like the new issue of Excalibur.  THIS is what an X-Book is
>>supposed to be.  A sense of history.  Character development/realistic
>>interaction.  Sub-plots from years ago coming back unexpectedly.  I love
>>it.  I'm still not real pleased with Farmer's inks, though, even though
>>this issue was quite a bit above standard Marvel fare.

>Is it really that good?  I might actually pick up an issue (after all,
>they do have Night Crawler and Kitty, to of my old faves.
>-Vincent

It's good.  In fact, I think it's the best one that's been done in a
while.  (Unfortunately, that isn't saying much.)  But it's clearing up a
lot of dangling plotlines so it might be a little confusing for those
who haven't suffered through some of the earlier issues. :)

Sue
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:43:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

A few thoughts on the Cable miniseries...

It wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be.  I loved the opening 
couple of pages.  It was very well done.  The art was better than what
i had seen in the previews of the book.  And some attempt was made to 
clarify the past of Cable (ok, GIVE him a past...) and to develop his
character, at least minimally.  

I read in Wizard that there's gonna be an ongoing Cable series next year,
with Art Thibert doing the, well, art.  Just a rumour now, tho.

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: #1 fan 
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.200411.25373@uceng.UC.EDU> sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steve Weide) writes:
>
>I must say this sub-plot in X-Factor was one of the best I have ever seen.
>I'm sort of disappointed he didn't get out because after all the time
>they spent over the last issues building it up, it would have been
>beautiful.  No ends to tie up here (except arteries) and only a few
>pieces to put together (his).
>                      Steve

Nah, there must be more brothers waiting in the wings somewhere...

Actually, I thought the 'censored' bit (where instead of showing the scene,
they just explained it in text) destroyed the whole joke. Surely they
could have shown it in silhouette or something. It just ruined the humour
for me.

Mike
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Gambit's Persuasion (Was Re:X-Problems?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:49:55 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


  According to something I read somewhere (all I remember was
that it was pretty official - maybe for the MSH RPG), Gambit has
no persuasion power, he's just very charismatic.  Yeah, right.  Of
course, this flies in the face of what the Shadow King
said in one of his earliest appearances, but, hey, this is Marvel -
consistency is no biggie.  
                                -X-Drizzt

PS - anybody else wonder what happened to the lovely and Talented
     Lian, the Shadow King's assistant?
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:38:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.190917.23324@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <brian_vickers-310892093137@137.79.110.112> brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:
>
>>Okay so I'm reading the Classic X-Men that came out last week, and while
>>Wolverine is going out for revenge against the poisoners of the X-Men,
>>Rogue mentions the the reason the poison didn't effect her was because
>>she's HALF-ALIEN! Needless to say this took me by surprise.
>
>>So what's the scoop? Is this true, or is this something that was written
>>away in later issues?
>
>That was a reference to the powers that she 'permanently' absorbed from
>Ms. Marvel.  MM had her physique altered by a Kree device called the
>Psyche-Magnetron resulting in her being half-human/half-Kree.
>
>It has been dropped, since she no longer possesses MM's powers & psyche.
>(So telepaths can read her mind now, right?? I-)

No, she still has MM's powers.  She's still got her flight, her strength, 
and her limited invulnerability (whatever that means).  Whether she has the
other ability (the seventh sense) remains to be seen, but either she has
lost Carol Danvers' personality, or it's been ignored the past few issues.
Personally, I think it would've been better if she had lost those 
powers, since it would have provided some interesting story material for 
the future.  After all, she's had them for so long, she would probably go
through some serious problems trying to deal with it.  

It just occurred to me that Rogue hasn't used her ability to absorb 
someone's powers in a long time.  Does anyone know for sure when was the
last time they saw this happen?  I'd be interested to hear it.  I mean,
is she turning into an ordinary super-brick, or what? 

The Walrus
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Marvel Girl/Woman
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:36:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I noticed in the new Infinity Wars that someone referred to Jean Grey as
'Marvel Woman.'  Is this the first time this has been used?  I guess all 
the writers just get tired of calling her 'Jean Grey,' and 'Marvel Girl'
just sounds to juvenile (even though i prefer it to 'Woman').  Any thoughts?

Also, the stuff that the telepaths were attempting to do was said to have
been done before, some time in the past.  I can only figure that this is
a reference to (Uncanny) X-Men, circa #65, when Professor X linked the minds
of all the happy people on the earth to repulse the attack by the Z'nox, or
whatever.  Is this really what they're referring to?  (If so, put the writer
on an X-book NOW, because he has a better grasp on the X-Men than anyone
writing them now.)

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable (possible Spoilers)
Keywords: Cable Xmen Xforce NewMutants
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Warning Possible Spoilers follow:


















Ok.
I was reading Cable #1 this afternoon, and I was trying to figure
out what the Egyptian archaeologist saw that linked those five
artifacts.  What suddenly hit me over the head was the 
(this is your last chance...)















hilt of the sword (as shown on Pg.12 <I don't count adds>) looks
distinctly like Apocalypse's face.  I know it's probably *obvious*,
the amulet again features his face at the center, the shogun mask
looks suspiciously like the style of design for Caliban/Archangel,
the tapestry shows him kneeling (!!?) in a garden, but the
hieroglyph leaves me a bit cold.
I know he's supposed to be the one with the big red X on his chest,
but it's a bit of a stretch.

I know this is going to lead to the Cable/Apocalypse duel in the
big X-over, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. Why
would Stryfe want these? What is the significance? Is it a plot
to build the Apocalypse Gaunlet?  Will there be an Apocalypse War?
I-)

But the reason I'm posting is Benehl notes that all the pieces
have similar stylings.  I may be nit-picking here, (IMHO) it
looks like they all have decidedly *different* styles.  In fact,
the *only* thing they have in common is that they all depict
the Big A (with the possible exception of the mask, which looks
like one of his minions, although it could be argued that in
making a mask they had to make alterations...). Seems that
Benehl must have been pretty astute to notice that all those
items depicted the same figure in various styles!

Oh, well. I've read worse. (Like Uncanny ....)
At least the art is ok. (although it is kinda leifieldesque for
my tastes...)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: mchen@uranus.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
	<poole.714853722@eugene>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:14:48 GMT

In article <poole.714853722@eugene> poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole) writes:   

   I may have missed something somewhere but it looks to me like Cable is
   going to disappear during this upcoming X-over. He's not mentioned in
   any of the synopsis after the first one I think in Previews.

   Anybody know anything about this? 

   Rick

Didn't the comic thing they give you when you buy one say that Cable was leaving
X-Farce?  Well, apparently it will happen, and maybe Rictor will add a little
more to the book (but with the way it's going, I doubt it).

--- Mike
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:21:01 GMT

In article <67323@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>: Danielle Moonstar
>>
>>This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
>>in comics. 
>
>Y'know, i replied to the original poster of this thread by e-mail, and said
>that what ruined Dani for me was when her powers were altered so that she 
>could make her 'wishes' reality.  I thought that this was just totally 
>pulled out of the blue.  However, i recently bought and read NM #3, in which
>the Brood-influenced Prof X used his powers to augment Dani's, to the point
>that she was able to create and maintain a BUNCH of 'real illusions' all at
>once.  If this power was developed further, she could have been quite 
>powerful.  I wonder why this was never picked up on again until the
>Simonson issues, and then only in a really watered down form (if i remember
>correctly).  Any ideas?

I agree, Mirage was ruined when her powers were increased.  Maybe not that
exact issue, but definitely around that time.
The reason she didn't realize her potential would depend, I guess, on who
was writting:
	Claremont:  She was basically not skilled enough to do it at first,
and if she ever was skilled enough, her subconcious would set mental blocks
because it's a basically uncontrollable power.  Besides, the increase
caused by Professor X was to her ultimate extent, something she wouldn't be
able to accomplish on her own for years. (Marvel years, that is...)  BTW,
Claremont did mention it once, when Mirage was kidnapped and trapped in a
room, she wished that she could create a solid Wolverine to cut a way out
for her.

	L.Simonson:  Simonson couldn't deal with a truely powerful mirage,
just as she wasn't able to deal with Warlock, Cypher, etc.
	
	Liefeld:  He doesn't have the imagination...
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