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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Aspen - Crested Butte Trail
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:59:02 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov9.220914.1@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu>
dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.183929.1352@rtsg.mot.com>, sbonnema@rtsg.mot.com 
>> I have heard that there is a XC trail between Aspen and 
>> Crested Butte. Has anyone tried this trail? Some say that
>> it can be done in one day (~20 miles), others guide books
>> say it is a long trip that requires camping and expert
>> skills (including avalanche avoidance). Any info on this
>> or the Hut-to-Hut system would be appreciated.
>
>I know there is a 4wd trail in the summer time; however, it is not something 
>I would attempt on skis in the winter -- very steep in places and quite in 
>the middle of nowhere.

I did this trip back in 1979.  A straight forward trip, but you have
to watch out for the avalanche hazard.  Some great avalanche tracks.
A really strong skier could do it in a day if he didn't have to break trail.
If you have to ask, you probably can't do it in a day.
The avalanche skills are needed all the time in those canyons.
We took three (each way) (well we did other skiings and things, too)
and that was a pretty strong crew.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Followup-To: poster | rec.skiing
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:59:56 GMT

Two years ago the question was raised in a post between rec.skiing
and rec.backcountry.  This is a follow up query to determine the
change (addition) after a two year period.

At the time seven people came forward.  I thank them (you).
Three were people who hunted small game.  That was not the intent of the
survey.  Three other people admitted to carrying their firearms in either
their cars to resorts or to ski lockers.  One person with a concealed
weapons permit carried his pistol legally on the slopes.  Two admissions
were posts the other five were email.  A posting is not necessary.
Please respond by email in the affirmative, your nonmail is a negative.
Anonymity is assured.

Ignore all the banter for a moment.

The only thing I am interested in is a count.  There is no interest
in collecting names, your email will not be kept.  I want to note the
above for two reasons: 1) your fellow skiers have come forward and new
net readers are also bringing their attitudes and perceptions and
2) you need not reply if you responded two years ago.  This is a survey
on the perceptions of winter self-defense.  Be it human or non-human animal.
You are welcome to add any other comments.  Comments like where you
draw the line (car, locker, slope, permits, etc.) might be useful.
The tally will be posted.  Summary comments might be used with permission.

Send email if you are one of the seven (you will know if you are)
if you have changed your usage (i.e. no longer carry).

Excluded from count:
	Biathalon: the sport of Nordic skiing and target shooting
	Winter time hunting of small game
Send email.  Followups are your choice but should probably be kept to skiing.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: robyn@rockn.Corp.Sun.COM (Robyn Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Park City
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: robyn@rockn.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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My husband and I are going to Park City in January and the package we are
using has lodging at the Prospector Square Hotel. Does anyone have
any good/bad comments on this hotel?

Thanks in advance,

robyn
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:06:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


whoooaaaaaa!!


Uless you are on some XC ski survival adventure or some thing of that nature.
And I have never heard of one; i don't see the need.  has anyone heard of
anyone being mugged on the slops?? (serious question) I haven't.

I have a gun and would NEVER take it to the slopes or even the resort
for the week.  i just ahve never given it much thought (till now).
It is common knolege that NOT ALL guns have the "best" safety
mechanisms.

My opinions are mine and you can't haev them.

Mark E. Porterfield
ISA 
PSC
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Vermont area openings (announcement)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

In article <3895@hpwala.wal.hp.com>, jonw@hpwalr.wal.hp.com (Jon
Waisnor) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov9.235512.21105@uvm.edu>, waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog
|> SkiDeath) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Killington, VVermont opened for skiing October, 1, 1992. It didn't
|> stay open for long, but that is besides the fact. Sugarbush North, Mt.
|> Snow, and Okemo all
|> |> opened this past weekend (nov 7,8), with SBN actually opening on
Thursday,
|> |> Nov 6. Stowe should open on Nov. 14, and the following weekend
should bring
|> |> skiing to Jay and Smuggler's Notch.
|> 
|> 
|> Kind of strange that the pattern went from south to north.
|> 
|> 
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Not that odd. The skiiers also flow from south to north. Killington's about
as far into Vermont as you want to go for a 2 day weekend from the NY area.
Even Stowe and Sugarbush are quite a bit futher from the Boston area.

Killington also has a definite policy to be open first, with the highest 
trail count, with the loudest advertising campaign. They are into mass
market skiing and massive snowmaking, so they push hard to be open early.
Killington's also go a terrain advantage. They stick up high into the cold
air of Vermont, and have some lifts that cover the top portion of the
mountain. 

The second open area in the North East was actually Cannon, over in NH,
which was a surprise. It's thier first time even coming close to that early
an opening. They opened for weekends only, and also took advantage of 
a useful layout. They've replaced their pair of summit T-bars with a fixed
quad, so they could up/down load people using the tram and then ski the
upper third of the mountain. 


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
From: shimada@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Shirley Shimada)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:32:21 GMT
Subject: Ski Lease forming, N. Tahoe
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Ski Lease in North Tahoe forming.

We are renting a nice cabin in North West Tahoe
and are looking for people to join in for the
ski season.

   If your interested calls only at

       408-923-5688
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: TEXAS SKIERS SAY WHAT?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:29:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <1992Nov9.170207.28461@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (K J Leiden) writes:
>My buddy was skiing in New Mexico a few years back,
>waiting in the lift line.  Down the hill comes a
>Texas gal in a $600 ski suit.  She proceeds to
>face plant right next to my buddy.  She collects
>herself and looks around for her boyfriend and says,
>
>"Shoot dang Billy Bob, them green circles are a B*tch!"
>
>-- 
>Ken Leiden
>Sunnyvale, CA
>kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com 


Yes, but then did you pork..er...uh..invite her to lunch?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: SEX, SEX, SEX!!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:25:23 GMT

OK, now that I got your attention.  My cousin and I are planning a trip out
West for sometime during mid to late March.  He is a beginner and I am a mid-
to (hopefully by then) upper level intermediate.  Anyway, can anyone give me
SERIOUS suggestions on where is good.  I prefer someplace nice, with decent
runs, and not too many crowds (we're going at a quite off-peak time, I hope,
so crowds shouldn't be too much of a problem).  Anywhere in the Rockies or
Sierra would do I guess.  Money is "sort of" an object.  We don't want to spend
too much, but at the same time we want to enjoy the vacation.

Please do not send any responses like "go to Vail" just so we go there, spend
all our money, so you can have the better places to yourself.  If we should
go to Vail, say why.  You can respond to this in email, so as not to clutter
the newgroup.  Thanks.

-Bob

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath)
Subject: What's the deal with Skiing near Grenoble?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:58:44 GMT

I will be based in Grenoble, France from January 8 to January 18, 1993. I am
seeking advice and information on what's what, where the snow is, what are the
local areas like, how do they compare with the well known areas such as Chamonix
or Val D'Isere. Any and all info is appreciated, as will be eye-witness snow
condition reports as my departure date draws near. Correspondance in English ou
au francais are welcome. Reply to rec.skiing or directly to:

Wesley Wright
Academic Computing Services
Room 238 Waterman
University of Vermont
Burlington, Vermont 05405-0160 USA
Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu

(Of course we all know that Vermont skiing is the best in the world, but it's 
still nice to leave the state every so often and take a looksee around at the
competition.)

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Subject: Re: Alta Trip Report
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:41:23 GMT

In article 21658@fcom.cc.utah.edu, cvgibson@utah.edu (Chris Gibson, U of Utah, Meteorology) writes:



yup... if you don't have anything good to say. Don't say anything
at all. :)


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-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

	One man's signal is another man's noise.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Skiing near Grenoble?
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:54:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.215844.2193@uvm.edu>, waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath) writes:
|> I will be based in Grenoble, France from January 8 to January 18, 1993. I am
|> seeking advice and information on what's what, where the snow is, what are the
|> local areas like, how do they compare with the well known areas such as Chamonix
|> or Val D'Isere. Any and all info is appreciated, as will be eye-witness snow
|> condition reports as my departure date draws near. Correspondance in English ou
|> au francais are welcome. Reply to rec.skiing or directly to:
|> 
|> Wesley Wright
|> Academic Computing Services
|> Room 238 Waterman
|> University of Vermont
|> Burlington, Vermont 05405-0160 USA
|> Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu
|> 
|> (Of course we all know that Vermont skiing is the best in the world, but it's 
|> still nice to leave the state every so often and take a looksee around at the
|> competition.)
|> 
   

   What a shame!To have to spend 10 days within driving distance of one of the
World's best ski areas.If your going to be travelling back and forth from
Grenoble I'd recommend you go to the nearest of the major ski systems which is
at a decent height.I'm affraid I'm not sure which one is nearest off hand but
having skied many of the resorts I know there will be plenty around to keep you
happy ,whereever you go,in the time you've got.Basically don't waste too much
valuable ski time travelling to somewhere such as Chamonix unless you have skied
out all the places in between or your name is Greg Stump!                        
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Bill Webster <WRW1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Is Killington Open
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15: 25:11 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wrw1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:16:22 GMT

I didn't get a chance to comment on conditions at Killington.  Upper
Cascade was open from the summit to midstation.  No moguls.  They opened
Superstar in the afternoon in a roar of over 50 snow guns.  No moguls.  I
will be skiing Hunter this Sunday and will post conditions.  Ski to die!
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Rental Options at South Lake Tahoe??
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:51:15 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

I will be staying at the Embassy Suites in South Lake Tahoe next month
and plan on skiing at several differenct locations.  I want to rent
my equipment for the entire week rather than daily at each resort.
What shops or stores are best for renting the equipment?

Sam
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov07.072232.163305@zeus.calpoly.edu>, cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish) writes:
> I wasn't going to say anything, but then Stephen said it for me. I have
> to agree. There's a LOT of bad things going on, but how am I to know
> that the operator of mountain X voted for or against the measure? Why
> should other people's ignorance deprive me of the same thing that Stephen
> looks forward to as well; like him, skiing is one of the few things that
> makes winter bearable. (that and fireplaces :-))

  We wouldn't want to trouble you with the outside world while you
are burying your head in the sand-er-snow. 
 
> Seriously, work on the CAUSE of the problem (ignorance) with the same
> zeal as the calls for boycotts. Hell, if we boycotted everything for
> which there was something that offended us, everyone would be boycotting
> everything! Pick your irks, and boycott their supporters: EVERYONE goes
> out of business.

  Um, except how do you make these folks want to be educated? Clearly
they do not want to be. Boycotts are probably the single most effective
way to make people think about how deep their convictions are: deep
enough to put your wallet where your mouth is?
  Sorry folks, Colorado has enacted something very hateful. The ski
industry is certainly Colorado's most visible industry and probably
one of the largest revenuewise. It makes sense to let Colorado, all
of Colorado, know that they cannot be completely free of the 
responsibilities of their actions and the rest of the world will 
just look the other way. 
  But you say that only the innocents will be hurt? I find it
difficult to be too sorrowful when a class of people have just
been told they are persona non grata. What about them? This
seems to me to be a classic case of blaming the victim.
  What if Colorado had just passed an amendment which repealed
anti discrimination legislation against say race, but not 
religion. Could you in good conscience spend your recreation
money there? 
  The situation is directly analogous.

> Ignorance is bad, yes, but knee-jerk reactions are just as bad.

  Yes, and you can stop kicking.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:04:45 GMT
	<1992Nov6.203113.25639@nntp.uoregon.edu>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

*sigh*

Make sure you read the bill before you comment on it.  If ya'll don't want to
come to Colorado, there's nothing forcing you to do it.  I'm looking forward to
a banner ski year.  This stuff should be in co.politics (where I recently
posted my response to the passing of Amendment 2).

I'm certainly glad that the front range is covered with snow, that the clouds
are still hanging low behind it, and Longs is whiter than I've seen it in quite
a while.  I certainly hope this keeps up!  Pray for snow!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eric@quantum.on.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: Vermont/N.E. Open??
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:39:27 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov11.211131.1359@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
>Kim,
>
>I was at Killington this past weekend (I gots me the cool "Nov 07" tag)
>and they had 4 chairs open with maybe 8 runs open.  They'll tell you
>that they had like 16, but in reality, it was only 8.  Heavy,
>obviously, but still awesome to hit the slopes.  They're charging $30.

Killington is now up to $35 and rising fast. Maybe if we're all
really lucky they'll still be under $50 this weekend. Sunday they opened
a back run off Skye and if you really wanted to you could ski
through the snowmaking on Snowdon (not going to do it, wouldn't
be prudent). Something on Bear has opened as well.

Nothing like a good bout of rain followed by a solid freeze. We should
show up with ice skates this weekend.

Cheers...

-- 
Eric Johnson (eric@quantum.qnx.com or try eric@quantum.on.ca)
Technical Development, Quantum Software Systems Ltd (QNX OS)
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Price Check: K9 Extreeme
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:58:27 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 13 Nov 92 01:30:15 GMT, mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) said:

Mike> The guy in the shop told me that there really wan't any difference 
Mike> between the two models except for the cosmetics.  I saved about $200 bucks or more
Mike> by not buying this years model.  That pretty much paid for the bindings!!

They guy in the shop was wrong.  They've changed the flex (evened it out a
bit).  I'm not saying it will make a huge difference, mind you, but they *are*
different skis.  How do you tell the difference in the shop?  The '93s say
"Triaxial Hybrid" on the forebody.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
The skiing was sweet; thanks for asking...!                        ISSC Boulder
From: green@are.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Green)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Tyrollia Bindings Forsale
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:36:35 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu


I have a set of Tyrollia Calgery bindings I would like to sell.  They were top
of the line bindings in 1988.  They are in good condition and I would like $45.

Respond through e-mail or call me at home (510) 654-5951



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Mad Dog SkiDeath,send mail to Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: Vermont/N.E. Open??
Originator: waw@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:28:02 GMT

From article <BxKGHz.6zo@mtholyoke.edu>, by kflorek@mtholyoke.edu (Kim Florek):
> Does anyone know who is open in New England THIS weekend (NOV 14-15th)?
Stowe opens this weekend. Killington has been open, always is, like Vegas it
never closes. SugarBush North, Mt. Snow,Okemo, and perhaps Stratton also open.
All of this was mentioned in earlier posting under Vermont area openings or some
such subject
> 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.224020.16937@kpc.com>, 
dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) decides he is rec.skiing.moderator:
> The fact that the passage of 2 is reprehensible. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE
> TO DISCUSS IT. If you don't want to come to Colorado, DON'T ! I'm getting
> tired of all of the PoliticalCorrectness (TM) in rec,skiing. Go find another
> stump to scream from. Other states also have disagreeable laws on the books.

  Have you heard of using 'k' rather than 'F'? 
  I thought so. 

> GET IT THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!
  
  I could say that about inane postings as well...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Tele lessons in Colorado??
Summary: where to go for beginner lessons?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:58:27 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To: rec.skiing

Hi,

I've done very little skiing for about 5 years now. Back then I had
done a little telemark/backcountry skiing but not even enough to get
the basics down.

This winter I plan to get into telemarking. I plan to primarily ski the
backcountry, but I'd like to get a little area skiing under my belt so
I can get a lot of practice turns in quickly. And, I'd like to get some
lessons so I don't start out with bad habits.

So, where would you recommend I go for lessons? An area? Which one? Maybe
some sort of outdoors program?

Thanks,
-Rich
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<1992Nov5.181144.18728@nas.nasa.gov>
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:53:49

In article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com> allyn@netcom.com (allyn) writes:

   >Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
   >in the state of Colorado. 
   >Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
   >groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
   >If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
   >consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
   >British Columbia.	

Ah, those paragons of liberalism, Utah and Idaho... 

And didn't Oregon have a referendum (that failed) that was even *more*
anti-homosexual than Colorado's? 

I'm sure the communities that would suffer the most from proposed
boycott are the ones that are by and large *for* gay rights. 

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