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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:17:16 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Touchtones and Alternative Librarians
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        [eh, fungus-face?  THIS IS YOUR CLUE TO GROWL IN, GRAHAM] :-)

"Grrrrrr!!!!"

Feel better now?  (You're not picking up bad habits from Karen are you?)

G (back from three days visiting at Christmas)
PS Elaine - Ann Witbrock says hello.
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: No Honda of the Sun for Me
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>While table cloth shopping in Columbus this afternoon, I stopped by the
>Honda place and looked at Civic del Sols.  Although I found them cute, I
>thought of several serious drawbacks.  When I started thinking about how
>easy it was last summer to toss half my worldly possessions into the car
>instead of figuring out exactly what I'd need on the trip, I realized that
>driving a Civic del Sol on a trip would require packing as if you were
>flying.  More serious than that problem is that it would have taken me at
>least twice as long to get to the clambake in the red del Sol I was looking
>at today because I would either have had to drive half as fast or I would
>have been stopped by the highway patrol every few miles.  That car exudes
>vibes of "I like to speed."  The vibes coming from my staid and stodgy Civic
>Wagon, OTOH, say "Who me?  Speed?  No way.  You must just *think* I'm going

At the time you first mentioned your intention, I was tempted to point out
this risk of owning a late model red or yellow car... that's just asking for
trouble from the police. I own two cars.. '76n aqua HX Holden and a '72
white '72 Datsun 1200, while both cars are capable of excessive speeds they
seem to slip by unnoticed by the local fuzz. OTOH a friend who used to own a
red late model Civic had to sell it after paying out thousands of dollars in
speeding fines. He is a lousy driver, but he hasn't been pulled up once since
he's been driving a white '76 Ford Cortina in the last 12 months.

>All things considered, I guess I'll keep my boring car for a while longer.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Wisest move, IMO.

Carolyn
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:41:59 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Car talk 'tween the girlz
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>With all this phallic symbol stuff bout cars, where does a 4-wheel drive Duelly
>P/U with a 8 ton winch, gun rack, 400 horspower and a "SCHWING" bumper sticker
>fit into the scheme of strap on manhood or the real thang.

Unlike the Corvette driver, this person could probably rise to the occasion,
but he would be more desirable if he had a small truck w/less horsepower, no
gun rack, and a WORDS-L bumper sticker.

>                       (my truck is blue ;) )

Good color choice anyway.  The color of romance.  One thing I like about my
Civic Wagon is its blue interior.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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In a previous article, karsten@netcom.com (karsten) says:

>
>If it doesn't happen again then you can chalk it up to background
>radiation / cosmic rays (you might call it "random weirdness" but I
>get paid to call this sort of thing a "Single Event Upset", or SEU).
>If you see the same message more than once your computer probably
>has a dead or dying memory chip.

It's dead.  Most sincerely dead.  I've gotten the random weird error messages
before - what else would you expect from the machine of the original
Random Weirdness Generator?:-)

>A transient SEU you can safely ignore, but if a chip is on the fritz
>you'll need to replace it.
>
That's about what I had figured.:-(  Luckily, I have a tame IMB repair
jockey to yelp to for help.  I've never taken the back off of this thing, 
mostly due to a severe mechanical nonproficiency.  [in other words, I'm too
scared of making things worse to try it myself.:-)]  Looks like I'll be 
calling him tomorrow....

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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:20:20 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings?
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1992, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I heard last night that Kristy McNichol had to leave Empty Next because
> of manic-depressive disorder.  Poor kid; I know how hard the depressive
> side can be, and I've heard the manic side can be just as bad.

Damn ingrates, if I had a Mac I'd be ecstatic, and she's grousing about
not having enough NeXT warez...

-abh
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As I remember, and Disney not withstanding, Sleeping Beauty slept one
hundred years.

If it's right, I s'pose my next question is Science and Nature (which will
probably break my streak).

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 23 Dec 92 08:28:05
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In-reply-to: kieran@world.std.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:02:25 GMT

Aaron opines:
	[editing...]

   Now pretend you're an "unattractive" woman (or man, it doesn't matter). 
   Not only do you not get catcalls, you get totally ignored, or scorned, or
   even publicly attacked as a "beast".  You won't get that promotion,yet you
   feel lucky that you ever got a job in the first place, since most
   employers want someone who's easy on the eyes more than they want
   competence.  You'll never be on TV, unless you get arrested for something
   and your mug shot ends up on-screen for millions to laugh at.  And you'll
   probably spend months or even YEARS without being asked out on a single
   date, and run a much higher risk of spending your entire life alone...all
   because you don't fit American society's equation of "attractiveness =
   worthiness".

   The moral here is: Sexual harrassment works both ways, and I'm getting a
   little tired of hearing what assholes we men are when many of us (and many
   women) are just as persecuted as the Beautiful People, only in the
   opposite direction.  Life ain't fair...get used to it.

Aaron, 

You'd make your point better if you thought a little more about what you
were saying before you typed it in.

I deleted the first two paras because they had little to do with your final
point; nevertheless, if you really believe that "that kind of attention" is
a boon, please think again.  

As I understood your final argument, you are not speaking of harassment
based upon your gender, but rather, upon your physical attractiveness.  Two
very different things.  I agree that there is certainly discrimination
where a person's ability to do a job is connected with how well they look;
and I do know it's true that many people get into positions they are
otherwise not qualified for based upon "looking the part" or whatever.
However, I would challenge that anyone can make a blanket statement
regarding discrimination based on looks:  I know women who have been passed
over for promotion because they were "too good looking" and women who
haven't even been given a chance because they "aren't what we're looking
for"; I also know women in important positions who would never have made it
on ability/brains alone (the US Govt has more than a few of these charmers)
and women who made it to the top by blood and sweat and resent any other
woman who tries the same.  

I'm certainly not qualified to speak from a man's perspective, but I
wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar.  Although, I would have to insist
that, in my experience, a woman's appearance is very often part and parcel
of considering whether or not she's "capable" or "able" to do a job;
whereas, I think for men, ability/capability is far less tied to how they
look.

	//anne//

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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:24:12 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      merry christmas
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it has been a wonderful day....

merry christmas to all....and to all a good night....

love and hugs

dan and gail in potatoland
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:12:13 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Stew to die for
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              03 Jan 93 07:07:15 -0600. <9301031308.AA17924@sics.se>

  Natalie says:

  >But I like reading recipes.

  Does this only apply to cooking? Otherwise I have a nice recipe for
making a fool of yourself in 15 different ways, using only common household
ingredients. One or two of them do require staying up all night.
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:00:43 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: On the shortage of lives on words-l
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              30 Dec 1992 10:07:12 -0700 from
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:07:12 -0700 JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>I don't know about you guys, but I'm 1700+ msgs behind as I just spent the
>last week out in the Big Room cleaning up after a double shooting at a friend's
>house.  Just the annual Christmas Tragedy, except this time the people on the
>news were ones I know.

sorry about the bad news....hope you are doing better by now...we are well,
sorta, here in ideehoho...

dan (whose eye is the same, and whose new bronchitis is starting to respond
to antibiotics)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:37:06 -0600
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (73)
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>
> If this year is H.M. Elizabeth's 40th, then it would be 1952.  That would
> make sense; I remember her silver jubilee in '77.
>
Her accession was in late January or early February, 1952, but the
coronation was not held until early June of 1953.  Unlike Doris, I didn't
have a television set by then, but got up early and sat by the radio in
the living room so I could listen to the coronation.
ndh
>
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>        Doodle bug, doodle bug
>        Where are you?
>        Doodle bug, doodle bug
>        Your house is on fire.
>        Doodle bug, doodle bug
>        Your house is on fire.
>of my childhood?
>doris

I've never heard that one before but we had a related version:-

         Ladybird, ladybird
         Fly away home
         Your house is on fire
         Your children all gone.

There were more verses but that's all I remember... BTW a ladybird is a beetle
who eats aphids and therefore is a welcome member of the insect world in any
garden.

Carolyn
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>>missives (Gail, that's the longest xmas letter I've ever seen, let alone
>>read!)
>>
>   yup.....i'll agree with you adam....but almost daily gail comes up with
>some important tidbit that she left out....   o-)
>
>   she just commented, as i read this to her, that she said almost nothing
>bout our kids or jobs or a couple of the trips or.....
>
Ahh, but the important trip was reported on in detail - the Clambake.
We'll even forgive the other five pages of useless trivia....<grin>


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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:55:00 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Holidays
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> >finally figured out how to do the unix-vm interface, I can be
> >posting from while he works.
> >
>    just be sure to use tn3270 instead of telnet to get to the vm box back
> home....then it will look just like usual....and surely he has one of the
> many public domain tn3270 programs from somewhere or other.....

For what it's worth, Judith finds that things are smoother when she connects
to Brown's VM from the tn3270 and slip on my PC instead of from tn3270 on Ra.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:23:52 +1000
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Touchtones and Alternative Librarians
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>This sounds true.:-)  I did hear the joke using koalas, though; no one said
>jokes had to be accurate....

...... but those that get their facts straight are usually funnier.

>Nope - just complaining that he'd missed a milk hit!  He's an addict....

Nothing wrong with that! There's nothing nicer IMO than a glass of cold, fresh
cow's milk on a hot summer's day or warm milk on a cold, winter's evening.
Does that make me an addict too?

>He reminds me more of my younger sister sometimes; she growls when she's tired.
>And when she's tired and cranky, heaven help whoever's in her way.  Sound
>familiar?:-)

That reminds me of everyone I know! :-)

>>Reminds me of the description one of my sons gave of his father after he first
>>saw his father with a beard...... "He looks like a rat looking through a
>>toilet brush". That was two years after our divorce, so I just had to concur.
>>Thankfully, Graham doesn't fit that description at all.
>>
>That was cruel!  I like it!  Good old toilet brushes....
>
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>                ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

My son was only 8 years old at the time and he didn't intend it to be cruel -
just a very descriptive observation. OTOH, when I repeated his innocent
observation to others, I was being cruel and vindictive. The beard didn't last
long.... I guess he must have looked at himself in the mirror and noticed the
resemblance himself.... he kept the moustache for 10 years - maintaining a
striking resemblance to Terry Thomas, but was clean-shaven the last time I
saw him (about 6 months ago). I was very surprised to receive a phone call from
him on Christmas Day to wish me a 'Merry Christmas'... so surprised that I
didn't recognise his voice and he had to identify himself, if you can call
"It's me!" identifying one's self..... no wonder we always had 'communication'
problems. :-)

Carolyn
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:45:32 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: English peas
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>    be "English peas   SEE peas"  and that volume is years away.  Do
>    the compilers have those later entries in more or less finished
>    form?

I don't think they've done much on the p's yet.  I'm pretty sure they're
busy now with i-n.

>    For their e-mail address, I'll trade you Le Sueur's (aka Green
>    Giant --> Pillsbury) toll-free customer-relations number!

I'll have to ponder that offer for a while.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:25:50 WET
From:         Fizzy the Fribble
              <fribble%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: More songs about buildings and food
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              at Jan 2, 93 5:41 am

> In a previous article, Graham Toal () says:
> >:England is confounding..GT owns a sparcstation yet carries a skeleton key
> >:on his chain, and it is not an ornament. There's this constant butting up
> >Bandwidth doesn't know what a skeleton key is.  She's talking about a
> >key for a mortice lock, not a master key.
> Well, they're both old.:-)  I have a few of those old-style keys hanging
> around for no good reason, if you're talking about the kind of key I'm talking
> about.

In England, Mortice locks are still very much the prevalent type of lock.
(I only have one of the 'newer' sort of keys - most of mine are keys for
mortice locks).

Fiz.
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Camillemania
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>Jim (Do women stay in abusive relationships because of hot sex?) Thomas

Was this a serious question?  I'm over 300 posts behind in
reading mail, so this may have been dropped, or thoroughly
dealt with, but it's a good question...

I don't suppose there is any single reason why women (or men)
stay in abusive relationships, but I rather doubt that "hot
sex" is the most common one. At risk of sounding like an
AlAnon brochure, I believe that women often feel responsible
for "their men" and feel that they are called upon (by whom?
by what?) to take care of them and somehow make life *right*
for them, so that the men are happy and as a result act right
and thus make them happy in return. So the abused person has
the feeling that she is causing her own abuse by not doing the
right things. The abuser, of course, also believes that the
abused person is bringing it on herself by not behaving right...

AND, the abuser usually goes into "Don't leave me, darling. I
love you, I need you, I want you, I can't live without you"
mode, which the abused person is an absolute *sucker* for, any
time it looks like the abused person looks like she is going
to make *any* move to get out of the situation.

The abuser takes on both the "good cop" and "bad cop" persona.
He can switch from "I can't live without you" to "I'll kill you
if you leave" seamlessly.

judith
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I need some recipes for non-alcoholic versions of alcoholic drinks.
What are your favorites?

Thanks,
Evelyn
From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
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In article <WORDS-L%92122408503552@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier) writes:
>>Jim (Do women stay in abusive relationships because of hot sex?) Thomas
>
>Was this a serious question?  I'm over 300 posts behind in
>reading mail, so this may have been dropped, or thoroughly
>dealt with, but it's a good question...

I was being sarcastic, but Paglia's view is a) she's tired of hearing
all this "crap" about domestic violence against women, because b) women
(in her view) stay in physically abusive relationships because of 
"hot sex." Evidence indicates the exact opposite, but she's not one
to let facts get in the way of her claims.

Jim (What do Paglia, Rush Limbaugh, and Andrew Dice Clay have in common) Thomas?
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In a previous article, EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Tony Harminc) says:

>
>The world seems to have recognized that left handed people exist and have
>uh, rights, but the same is not true for the left eyed.  I am right handed
>but left eyed, and it's a problem.  Using an ordinary 35mm SLR camera
>is a pain, particularly as I am blessed with a good sized nose which
>gets in the way if I try to apply my left eye to the viewfinder.  Using
>a camcorder is in some cases quite impossible.  Others allow the
>viewfinder to tilt up, but then the angle leads to disorientation as
>I try to pan.  No one seems to treat this seriously :-(
>
You have my sympathies.  I've never bothered to try using a camcorder, but
manage an SLR just fine.  The first camera I learned to use is a twin lens
reflex, with the viewfinder on top, so it wasn't a problem then.

One thing I have noticed, is that I seem to be able to switch dominant
eyes with some effort.  If I'm looking at something in the distance, I
can sometimes manage to switch eyes without closing one.  That may be tied
into something I ran into in in elementary school.  They always gave us
these eye exam things every year, and had this test where they would show
a picture of a small red apple on a black background to one eye, and a
green table to the other.  We were supposed to tell the nurse/whoever whether
the apple was on the table or on the ground.  I could never get the dumb
thing to sit still long enough to tell, so I'd always guess.

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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) says:

>> Do you remember the old car air-conditioners that were shaped like a
>> butane/propane tank (only much smaller) and were mounted at the top and
>> outside of a car window?
>
>I remember the ones that looked kind of like large intestines near the back
>of the car.

I don't, but still do use California 4-80 air conditioning a lot, especially
in Putt.   It's defined as opening all four windows to the max, and driving
as fast as you can on the local equivalent of a freeway.  Putt's a/c seems
to take the power from two cylinders to run - and there  are only two others,
both not putting out very much.:-)

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