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From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic Performance
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:01:31 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan21.100518.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> I read in the newspapers this morning the report of the celtic, Clyde
> match, not really the result that was wanted or expected by the celtic manager
> was it?
> This mornings paper used words like "disappointing" and "upsetting" when it
> described the celtic's performance.
> Well if they can only beat a part-time side like Clyde 1-nil at home after
> drawing 0 each, its no wonder that only about 16k turned out at the game,
> and I'm told from a reliable source that the Coyne goal was a fluke.

C'mon  then , reveal your "reliable source" copyright@ Daily Record etc.....
 

The goal was a goal end of story, as a Rangers supporter Ian, you should know by
now that you don't have to score great goals or play well to win.

> I'll watch with interest what will happen to celtic in the 4th round at either
> Falkirk or Berwick.

So will I !!!!!

> Just wondering if any readers of this newsgroup was in the crowed that booed
> celtic of the park last night?

I was in the crowd that booed Celtic last night, IMO a pointless exercise as
the team are obviously only a small part of what's going wrong at Celtic Park.

The team need everyone behind them if they are to return to former glories.

The crowd also broke into a chant of "sack the Board", now that's more like
it !!!!!

> 
-: In The End :-

A.
From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: hands off FERGIE ya bastards
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:03:24 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

reidkb@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Kenneth B Reid) writes:

>>The referees' here in Scotland are weak and utterly biased towards Rangers.
>>No referee has the backbone to clamp down on the many fouls, penalties and
>>offsides which are never awarded but occur when Rangers are on the rack.
>>

>Its funny you should say this. I was casting my eyes over the Sunday Post's
>table (just to see if it was really true that Airdire have got 3 and a half
>times their goals this season in bookings- it is true) and who are currently
>at the bottom of their table (and hence the least dirtiest team) but Rangers.
>They are the only team this season not to have had a player sent off and are
>third best in the number of bookings.

You have had so few sent off, because as already said, most refs are on your 
side.

>So call us bigoted, call us talent knicking scum, but dont call us dirty!!!!

Dirty!
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From: altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!!
Reply-To: altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:51:01 GMT

In article 18082@umd5.umd.edu, jrobert@lab7.smcm.edu (Jess Roberts) writes:
>Explain to me, someone, please, why the USSF in it's infinite wisdom,  
>scheduled the US-Denmark game for Super Bowl F@#$ing Sunday?  OK, like there are
>that many Soccer fans in phoenix that are even going to go watch the US so they can 
>get football highlights during the match?  Look, I bet that the USSF is going to cry
>and complain about coverage of the match.

  ... lots of infantile bitching deleted ...

For Jess and all the others who responded to this with maximum bile output:

1)  The USA-Denmark game is on SATURDAY, January 30, at 1 PM in Sun Devil Stadium,
    a site that bid for USA-94 WC games.

2)  If you don't care about gridiron (American) football, what difference does it
    make when the game is played?  Methinks the lad doth protest too much!

Regards,
Bob
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From:  (Jacopo Andreose)
Subject: Re: MAN UTD/CHAMPIONSHIP
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:31:17 GMT

In article <C1F8H0.67r@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, esh036@cck.coventry.ac.uk
(RED*DEVIL) wrote:
> 
> What the hell is all this talk about United not having the experience
> to win the championship in the end???? Bollocks!!!!
> A couple of 36 year olds with championship medals wont win you the 
> championship, but determination will, and after last years dissappointment
> the players will be even more determined. But for all those who think
> experience is important perhaps we should play Bobby Charlton and Dennis
> Law, then we'll win the title eh??????
> Anybody who has seen Cantona, Giggs and Sharpe play recently will know 
> that it is an attack that would rival AC MILAN, Giggs himself has been quoted
> at 20million but Utd wont let him leave and with a consistently solid 
> defence + renewed determination I dont believe Utd will slip up this year.
> They will also slide past Sheff Utd in the next round of the cup which could
> mean the double is a very real possibility. They only have to worry about
> keeping Cantona,Giggs,Hughes,Sharpe & Ince fit and theyre home and dry!!!
> 
> -- 
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> P.SCULLY                     Manchester United F.C.      StoneRosesHappyMo
> esh036@uk.ac.cov.cck        Champions of Europe 1991     ndaysNorthsideJam
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Quite sure? I thought that were Red Star Belgrad!


> Coventry University         Champions of England 1993?   esTheMockTurtles!

Jacopo Andreose | jacopo@pons.uio.no | +47-2-851248 | Forza Milan!
Inst of Neurophysiology, University of Oslo, Norway | Forza Manch.Utd!
From: clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ACCIES AND RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:48:58 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Hamilton Accies put Satan's 11 out of the cup in January 1987, I'm so glad for
two reasons:

1.   I hate bigotry and 'The Gers' epitomize this sad psychological phenomenon. 
(I have no allegiance to Celtic and feel that they too suffer from bigotry but
in a more diffuse way: I think Celtic fans respond to, rather than initiate,
religious prejudice. My statements here are based on having watched Accies play
both of the Old Firm and observing both sets of supporters. I feel that Celtic
supporters have a greater intrinsic interest in football, Rangers fans call any
opposition 'dirty Fenian bastards' ie a senseless, spontaneous outburst of
acidic hatred. Unless provoked, Celtic fans get on with the football making
little or no conjecture as to the denomination of the opposing support. I know
this is a sweeping generalisation, but it is my overall personal experience.)
 
2.   I support Accies - tribalism is very much alive. In fact, the Rangers
Celtic rivalry is fundamentally tribal, religion is only the focus, after all,
how many football supporters have sincere religious beliefs.

Question: Are specific religious beliefs/creeds justifiable in any case?


Some comments about the game:
     
1.   Rangers were in our penalty box for most of the game.
2.   McKellar, Fulton and Collins were immense.
3.   We went up the park twice, missed one sitter and scored the other.
     It should have been 2 nil !!!!
4.   The whole affair was surreal.
5.   Ibrox is a cauldron of hatred - Scotland should never play there.

Question: What was going through Terry Butchers head when he recklessly
challenged Bobby Bar, broke his leg and finished his career? I heard
the crack from the stand. Accies cannot afford sophisticated medical
treatment.
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:51:09 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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Keywords: USISL, Connecticut Wolves

In article <C17stq.1EA@hsi.com>, archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
|> Well, Dan, you'll be pleasantly surprised to know that there is a team
|> in Connecticut and they have just been accepted into the USISL (United
|> States Interregional Soccer League).

You lucky shits.  8-)

|> league listing deleted for brevity of followup
|> 
|> Negotiations are now in effect for North East, North West, North Central
|> and and Central Divisions in 1994.

Outstanding news!  I'll give Alan a call and find out if he's considered
the idea of joining this league as a beginning instead of the APSL and if
there's any other news on bringing back the Sounders name.

|> Six teams in the 39 team league will make the play-offs (5 Division winners 
|> and 1 wild card team).  A schedule will be released in mid-January 1993.

Could anyone please keep us posted on the standings of this league when
play begins?  This is great news to me out here in the windy wastelands of
the wild and woolly uncivilized Pacific Northwest.  8-)

|> So there you have it American fans of Association Football.  There _is_
|> an _OUTDOOR PROFESSIONAL_ league already in place and ready to start in
|> 1993.  Albeit it is "only" classed as Professional Division Three status.

I can live with third division level nationwide.  Most of the long time
r.s.s.ers know I'm a proponent of the slow growth from the bottom up
method of building a professional league structure.  As you say . . .

|> The fact remains, the ball is beginning to roll.  Perhaps slowly at first,
|> but the USISL have clearly taken the bull by the horns while the pathetic
|> APSL (American Professional Soccer League) is dragging its own anchors.
|> 
|> 	GOOD JOB U.S.I.S.L. !!!

Hear, hear!  I whole-heartedly agree.

|> By the way, I _didn't_ make any of those team names up!  Chattanooga 
|> Railroaders?  Austin Soccadillos?  New Mexico Chiles?  !!! Perchance did 
|> you notice Tulsa Roughnecks?  I wonder if this is the same franchise as the 
|> one that played in the old NASL (North American Soccer League)?

Somebody involved must be from the old franchise.  The rights to those
team names are still owned by individuals.  Alan Hinton, mentioned above,
owns the rights to the Sounders name.  I'm sure others can be found who
would allow use of (or bring it back themselves) the names of the old NASL
teams that we're popular.  Good potential marketing device.

|> Dan, for more details of the USISL and Connecticut Wolves, stop by my cube.

Oooh, aaaahh, can he make it *so* far?!  What a long walk that will be!  ;^)

-russ
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From: mrg1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL ROBERT GSELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Schedules Needed
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:52:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi, I'm a newcomer to this (never knew it existed) and need some help.  I am
travelling to England/Scotland in the beginning of June to visit relatives.
I'd like to see some quality footalll games while I'm there.  If anyone out
there has schedule of games, please e-mail to me.  Thanx in advance.

mike
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From: P.D.Wardle@newcastle.ac.uk (P.D. Wardle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Listen, you Geordie Foresters !!!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:54:00 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


I have heard that there's a Newcastle based Forest Supporters club somewhere. Has anyone got any details about this ?????

Cheers,

    P.D. Wardle 
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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic Fans' Loyalty (was Ranger`s fans)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:49:10 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1993Jan19.185601.2897@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>
>  exactly. The 50 or so who follow east fife or whoever far and wide are just
>as loyal as celtic fans. And as for the m 'loyal fans in the world', this is
>absolute bull***t, if they were as loyal as the media especially the Daily
>Record claim, then their average attendance would be a lot nearer the capacity
>of their crumbling dump which masquerades as a football ground. the crowd at
>parkhead has only gone above 20000 when rangers, united, aberdeen, hearts and
>hibs are playing, and in the cases of rangers, hearts, hibs, this is only
>achieved through very large travelling supports. 
>
>example:
>
>the celtic v new zealand friendly last season was free entry, only 7300 turned
>up, which out of a capacity of 40000 odd is pathetic. 

There were only 16,000 at Celtic Park last night to see them score their
first goal of 1993 in a cup replay against Clyde. That's loyalty for you.

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:09:26 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan22.100234.3738@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>These days all the newspapers and soccer-magazines talk (or rather write)
>about the so 'fantastic' AC Milan. If you look at their numerical performances,
>29 points out of 16 matches, that seems to be true. But, have you been watching
>some complete Milan-matches this season? They are not that strong on the field!
>Not like in '89, when they played about the whole match on the half of the
>opponent. Nowadays they're somewhat lucky to score many goals out of not so
>many chances...

For some reason, which is unknown to me, only now are certain people in
the press "waking up" and noticing Milan. IMHO, I believe that the '88-'89
team played better than today's side, as was also mentioned above. Today,
the defense is quite shaky, whereas in 1988-89, one could rely on a younger
Baresi to neutralize incursions in the Milan zone, since the goalkeeper at the
time was really sad.

In any case, over these past few years, Milan's style has not changed
all that much, but they have moved to a more defensive layout, abandoning
the "asphixiating pressing" that was a trademark of the '88-'89 team
(remember the Champions' Cup matches against Real Madrid and the final
against Steaua Bucharest?). One habit that they haven't lost, though,
is blowing a large number of scoring chances again and again.

I guess that those who are only now noticing Milan must have thought that
the 88-89 team was just a passing thing. Maybe the current 8 point lead in
the Serie A table must have shaken them.

For example the match against Sampdoria recently:
>Sampdoria far out the best team, but Milan scores twice and Sampdoria once.
>
>Strange thing... Don't think they'll loose a single game this year, though!

Perhaps. To a degree, Milan has been "helped" this season by the lack of
consistent competition from the other teams in Serie A. Maybe this is
due the the fact that most sides have undergone a fair number of changes
in key positions in their starting line-ups. So, while Milan is still
playing with basically the same core of players, other teams are not,
and these players need time to "gel" before the points start coming on
at a more regular pace...

Marco...
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From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: In article 9o9@hsi.com, archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:59:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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The rights to those team names are still owned by individuals.  
Alan Hinton, mentioned above,
                                             
owns the rights to the Sounders name.  I'm sure others can be found who
would allow use of (or bring it back themselves) the names of the old NASL
teams that we're popular.  Good potential marketing device.

An unintended connection by Russ I'm sure.  Do you remember that Alan
Hinton coached the Tulsa Roughnecks before heading to the Great Northwest!?

If not, now you do!  Its a small world, innit.

Garry.

Garry,

Is this the SAME Alan Hinton, he of the "white boot" brigade, and the 
deadliest left foot in the game in the 70's, with the mighty Derby 
County.?????

Regards  Peter.
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:22:16 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan26.135339.4371@aie.nl>, louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.100234.3738@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>>These days all the newspapers and soccer-magazines talk (or rather write)
>>about the so 'fantastic' AC Milan. If you look at their numerical performances,
>>29 points out of 16 matches, that seems to be true. But, have you been watching
>>some complete Milan-matches this season? They are not that strong on the field!
>>Not like in '89, when they played about the whole match on the half of the
>>opponent. Nowadays they're somewhat lucky to score many goals out of not so
>>many chances... For example the match against Sampdoria recently:
>>Sampdoria far out the best team, but Milan scores twice and Sampdoria once.

the true measure of a quality side is that they win even when playing crap, or
when the odds are stacked against them, ie: v Roma with baresi off in 5 mins

> 
> I had the same feeling especially after the match your beloved played against
> AC Milan. I didn't understand why the tv commentators and the papers were so
> enthousiastic about AC Milan. I the match of poor quality and the way
> van Basten played was annoying. Falling down time after time. But overall,
> I think Italian football is overrated. I don't know if you have seen
> the FA cup matches last weekend but I think the matches were great. Off
> course there is so much going on in the world (Yugoslavia, Iraq etc) but
> if you have seen Jimmy Hill and the other guys talking you know what
> life is really about. 
> 
> Louis
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From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Bergkamp leaves Ajax (Re: The Great AC Milan!)
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:35:11 GMT
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory

dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill) writes:

>In article <4979@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> yvesv@info.win.tue.nl writes:
>>A rumour goes that AJAX en Barcelona will be trading some players.
>>Bergkamp will go to Barcelona, Laudrup and Witschge will come to
>>Ajax accompanied with some extra money (20 million, but I find
>>this hard to believe).

Cruyff said in an interview that only a deranged person could
come up with such a deal. I guess that it is not true then. Pity..



					Regards,

					Ed.

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From: susan@umuc.umd.edu
Subject: RE: 1982 World Cup question
Organization: The University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:37:08 GMT

  It was Battiston.
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From: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Subject: Re: EVERTON
Reply-To: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:16:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.142024.13415@ugle.unit.no>, mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten 
Eriksen) writes:
>In article <C1GpuE.Ix6@cs.dal.ca>, wadhwa@cs.dal.ca writes:
> > I am a huge Everton fan, but I have lost touch with English soccer for two 
> > years.
> > Could any one post the current Everton lineup. Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > P.S. Everton has been in the Premier League (First Division) longer than an
> > y other
> > English soccer club, and plan to stay there.
>
>What?!?! Can't be correct, Arsenal has played Premier League/First Division ev
> > ery
>f*cking year since 1919.
>
> >     
> >      Everton for 1993-1994 League championship and F.A. Cup
>
>Yeah, sure.
>
>
>Morten

As a matter of fact the first poster is right, although Arsenal are the
longest continuous member of the first division/premier league since
1919 as you say (even though they bribed their way in, in the first place)
But Everton have spent the most seasons in total in the top league,
having been a founder member, they have only been relegated twice, and
only spent a total of 4 seasons out of the top flight. Somewhere I've
still got a list of each of the current premier league teams stay in
each division if anybody wants it.

Cheers - Ian

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