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From: res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:32:10 GMT
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes

In article <1992Nov15.042553.27579@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, mea@cbnewse.cb.att.com (mark.e.anderson) writes:
> In article  res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:
> >Based on a segment I saw on one of the cable news stations, I would
> >have a hard time believing anything Perot said unless I could read the
> >original source information myself.  
> Don't believe everything you see on television.

I don't -- especially not Perot's (mis)infomercials.

> >No, in my opinion
> >Perot was on one magnificent ego trip and the media and a small number
> >of fools played right into his hands!
> It's so nice that you called me and 19 million other Americans fools.

Everyone (including both you and me) is entitled to an opinion.  Also,
if the shoe fits ...

> I hope you know what to do with your money when the government starts
> to default on interest payments.

I do not expect to see that happen.  Historically, the Democrats solve
that problem quite handily -- they just print more money.  So, I do
not expect to see defaults on the payments, just inflation in the
double and perhaps triple digit range.

>				I figure it will happen sometime
> around the time Slick Willie runs for reelection.

I think you probably have the timing about right.  It might happen a
bit sooner, with the help of a cooperative Congress.

>						Then we can start
> another Republican era.

With a bit of luck we could start another Republican era by booting
many of the long-term Democrats from Congress and get a Congress that
understands subjects like Economics and World Trade.  With term
limitations to keep Congress relatively youthful and with a line item
veto to keep the number of pork-barrel amendments under control, then
we might have some hope of have a Government rather than a Political
System.

> Sounds like something to look forward to doesn't it?

Actually, if we survive the next four years, it does.

					Rich Strebendt
					...!att!ihlpb!res
					r.strebendt@att.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: dsk@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel Katz)
Subject: Re: So you want to join a Bally's Health Club?  Read this...
Reply-To: dsk@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:30:42 GMT

I've belonged to Bally's for 5 years now, with not one problem.
I've been using the take the money from my checking account the entire
time, and it's worked out well.

I don't want to sound cruel, but why would anyone sign a contract without
reading it?  This is just asking for trouble.


-- 
Dan Katz                                                       dsk@nwu.edu
Dept. of Electrical Engineering                             1(708)491-8887
Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, 60208                E pur si muove
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 21 Nov 1992 21:30:30 CST
From: Juan A. Varela F. <U35334@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Fashion Design School


My wife wants to study faxhion design.  She asked me to find out through
the network if anybody knows of schools for this.  She is interested in
schools in the Chicago area.  She wants to learn about design, drawing,
advance sewing techniques, fabrics and tailoring.

Any information about this would be greatly appreciated.  Please send
me any information directly to my account since I rarely check this
group.  Thanks in advance.

*  Juan A. Varela F.                                U35334@UICVM.UIC.EDU      *
*  University of Illinois at Chicago                72070.3046@COMPUSERVE.COM *
*                                                  TELEPHONE (708)771-9015    *
*  Te quiero flor de los mares,                          FAX (708)771-9049    *
*  verte libre y soberana!                                                    *


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From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: PATRONIZE Cineplex Odeon (WAS: Re: Boycott Cineplex Odeon)
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:17:22 GMT

Karl Denninger:
> For those of us who like to watch movies, and don't like paying as much as
> we do and the increase over the last few years, I think it >is< the point.

Are you saying you expect to see a decrease in the ticket price now
(or soon)?

I'vew got this bridge on Michigan Avenue I'm willing to sell, at a
bargain price.
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From: chaput@ils.nwu.edu (Cliff Chaput)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:36:56 GMT
Organization: Institute of Learning Sciences, Northwestern University
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In article <1992Nov20.001414.11202@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> Rich Strebendt,
res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com writes:
>	Gerald Ford - "Clumsy" - a college athlete who kept himself in
>	very good shape, but was quite a bit taller than the norm and,
>	in the press of events, sometimes bumped into low
>	obstructions.

Yeah, like Nixon.  "Pardon me!"

Cliff Chaput                   | "The scribes on all the people shove
Institute of Learning Sciences |  and bawl alliegence to the state.
Northwestern University        |  But those who love the greater love
chaput@ils.nwu.edu             |  lay down thier lives; they do not hate"
From: cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:39:32 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

>> [ hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) relates a horror story 
>these places bet on........My word of advice is buy a new car.
>At least then the manufacturer is liable for everything.  And if
>you must buy a used one dont do it on Toyota on Western.
-------->>  I have had good luck with a series of used cars but they were all
purchased from private parties.  Purchasing a new car is the least ecological
way to go.  Purchasing a new car is the least economical way to go.  I think
you might have better things to do with your money.

---->I certainly dont think you could do as well as I but I have had more time
than money.  It is a tradeoff to be sure.  Keep it sane, simple and with
replaceable parts.

  Eg of insanity... the Pontiac J2000... your carb goes off, just replace it
for $800.  I have heard of transaxles where you have to replace the engine R&R
that is, to change the starter.  Toyotas for the alternator.  These are prices
like $1400.  and you cant do it yourself i any reasonable time.   You dont want
a new computer, you want a car.  Let the car manufactures get the message. 
Saturn is only 1/3 larger in weight than a 1964 vitage car I used to own but
the engine is more than 2 times the size and the milage is 2/3... 30 years
later.  Booooo.

signed Cookie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . UUCP: cstollen.meltdown.chi.il.us
                                                Chicago (708) Illinois  USA
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:46:03 GMT
Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL

In article <GEK1KK=ML@linac.fnal.gov> crawdad@fncent (Matt Crawford) writes:
>
>True story:
>
>I had a roommate Stephen P Hirsch who moved to Illinois from another
>state.  He was assigned a driver's license number that had been
>revoked from a Steven P Hires.  His insurance was promptly cancelled.
>It took him months to get the records fixed and in the interim he
>sold his car because he couldn't use it.

That sounds like something an attorney could have a field day with, and
could have been quite interesting.

--
Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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From: glass@devl.fnal.gov (Michael Glass)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS!  Loeber Motors does, too!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: glass@devl.fnal.gov
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Distribution:  chi
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:10:44 GMT

     [Sheheryar Hasnain relates difficulties with a used VW Jetta, and
      with Toyota on Western, from which it came.  In this saga, the
      Jetta was repaired by Loeber Motors.]

     A note: Loeber Motors is not a good place to take your VW Jetta
for repairs.  I took my old Rabbit there for over a year, and I could
never shake the feeling that they were doing a sloppy job.

     What got me to quit, however, were several incidents where they
were out-and-out dishonest.  I got my money back from one such incident--
Loeber had charged me for a manufacturer's recall--only by writing to VW
of America directly.  These are NOT nice folks.  I regret that I didn't
have the stomach to fight them harder.

     I had very good experiences with German Auto Works, Ted Dahl
proprieter, in Naperville.  (Just two blocks from the train station, so
it was accessible to this Hyde Parker.)  Under his care my Rabbit ran
until it had 200,000 miles, when I sold it to my neighbor.

     My suggestion is to establish a relationship with a good independent
VW mechanic.  Your Jetta will likely require a fair amount of attention,
and Loeber Motors will be more than happy to take you to the cleaners.

-- Michael Glass
   glass@adcalc.fnal.gov
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From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: chi.general,chi.places
Subject: Looking for Hotel with in-room hot tub -- Chicago/St. Louis area
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:53:05 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: chi
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu
Keywords: hotels, motels, etc.

This is for a honeymoonish type anniversary present.

What I'm looking for is a reasonably-priced hotel that has in-room
hottub/whirlpools.  I'm trying travel guides, etc. as well as the net,
but often what they call a "whirlpool tub" is a normal-sized bathtub
that has built-in or attached whirlpool.  Nothing wrong with that, but
in *this* case, I'd rather have a double sized bathtub (without
whirlpool) than a normal sized tub *with* whirlpool.  Anyway, what I'm
hoping for is that someone out there has stayed at/heard of such a
place, and that I can get some recoomendations (good or bad) as leads.
(And if this post happens to leak out of the IL distribution, I'd be
glad to hear any recommendations for hotels that might be parts of
chains, and therefore might also be around here as well.) 

To break down my preferences:

Within a 2 or 3 hours' drive

	Preferrably around Chicago, but St. Louis is a second choice. 
	Even any other smaller cities within that radius would be 
	acceptable as well, though I might be willing to pay more for 
	the big cities, as there would be other things to do there. 
		(This is going to be a short weekend getaway). 

Reasonably priced.

	I know that depends on a lot of things, like location, 
	how nice the room is (besides having the tub), etc. 
	So I'm not even going to try to pin it down just yet. 

I have heard of such places on the West coast, and in the Southeast,
but not around here.  I hope that doesn't mean that there *aren't* any
around here... 

Reply via email to cgregory@cs.uiuc.edu
--
When you buy a house, the hardware store is the place you live in
between trips to your house! 
  -- C. J. (Granma) Patterson, usenet

    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
A recently engaged person who is owned by 2 cats.  In my copious free
time I square dance, when I'm not watching Quantum Leap. 
Newsgroups: chi.general,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Walter Jacobsen's a Fool; WOD reporting on Chicago's CBS News.
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:30:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.181205.15882@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>dbk@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Dan Keith) writes:
>
>>Fact: Saliva is known to be fatal, but only when swallowed in small amounts
>>over a long period of time.
>
>What's your source for this, Dan?

I can personally guarantee that everyone who died over the age of 80
had swallowed saliva over a period of more than four score years.

>>Fact: Mother's milk is a gateway drug. Studies have shown that a large
>>percentage of drug addicts initially started with it.
>
>What study was this?  Who funded it?  Where was it published?


Hook, line and sinker.



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:32:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222235.8999@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>Having spoken to a few law students/lawyers, it seems that I could
>do something about it but not through the "lemon laws".  Apparently
>lemon laws apply only to new cars and relate to the manufacturers
>not the dealers.  Dealers are not liable for crappy cars(Hard to believe
>but true).

I assume from your story that you didn't take the car to a mechanic to have
it looked at before buying it (or if you did, it wasn't a very good
mechanic).  This is standard procedure when buying a new car.  If the dealer
doesn't want to let you do this, tell him goodbye.  I'm sure you're incredibly
angry about this, but you really can't expect government to protect you from
bad buying decisions.  Caveat emptor.
-- 
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu

Sans Peur
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:32:00 GMT

[ hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) relates a horror story 
about purchasing a used car at Toyota on Western. ]

Doesn't Illinois have a "lemon law" which protects you from this
very sort of thing?

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt)
Subject: Re: So you want to join a Bally's Health Club?  Read this...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.173042.9824@news.acns.nwu.edu>, dsk@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel Katz) writes:
> I don't want to sound cruel, but why would anyone sign a contract without
> reading it?  This is just asking for trouble.

On an intellectual level, I agree with you.  On the other hand, my
wife and I once visited a Chicago Health Club, looking into it as an
alternative to another health/tennis/sports club we were also looking
into.  We were shown the facilities by a very attractive young woman,
who then subjected us to one of the hardest sells we have run into.
When we finally got across to her that we were not going to
immediately sign the contract she was handing us, but wanted time to
consider and compare that club with others, she became nasty and
insulting.  I can understand how someone who was leaning toward
joining the club might have signed without reading the contract if he
were subjected to the type of pressure sales tactics that we
experienced that day.

					Rich Strebendt
					...!att!ihlpb!res
					r.strebendt@att.com
Newsgroups: chi.general,uiuc.general
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:59:00 GMT

noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:

>If anyone can either add to this or contradict it, your follow-up or
>e-mail reply is welcome.

Twins?

  * Same last name
  * Same DOB
  * They could have the same initials (John D Foo, Joe D Foo).

What would they do?

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't allow you to do that..."
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: jlacour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Lacour)
Subject: ohare parking
Followup-To: poster 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:36:22 GMT

I am going to be taking a trip over the holiday and because of the situation
with my roommates I will be forced to park somewhere at the airport.

Could anyone recommend a park and fly joint out by ohare which is relatively
cheap and where my car (new) won't be destroyed?  I will be gone a week if
the length of time is relevant.

Thanks,
John

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat)
Subject: Re: So you want to join a Bally's Health Club?  Read this...
Summary: Excuse me, but it doesn't quite look that way to me...
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:03:12 GMT

In article <Bxxv1E.DxC@idm.com> rjr@idm.com (Ray J Rueb) writes:
>Note: My comments are meant to be adult and confrontive in nature.
>Please do not interpret my comments as FLAMES. They are not.
>Please stay adult, read on... and learn.
>Instead of all this crap, do something positive about your life.
>...
>See a therapist.
>Or since you've said how poor you are, call 312-WARRIOR a low cost
>alternative to conventional therapy for men.
>
>Give up this victim crap and take charge of your life.
>
>>Eric Rainbolt
>> Any similar stories out there?
>Yes, I too am a recovering victim.

Pardon me, but your comments *did* come out as, if not flames, extremely
judgmental and unbending.  Many of the issues you took as giving up control
struck me as legitimate requests--for instance, it's not out of line to ask
if a short-term contract, or a legal way out of a long-term contract, is a
valid option.  Perhaps the greatest criticism that could be tendered is that,
once investigating the situation, the individual *did* yield control to the
extent that he didn't carefully read the contract, and get everything in
writing in a legally binding agreement.

Having said this, I would like to ask that you perhaps consider that, if you've
been involved with therapy of some sort, one danger is that you start
interpreting *everyone* in light of what you've been exposed to; and often,
live simply isn't quite that pathological.  (For other examples of this kind of
thing, ref. reformed smokers, new members of ALANON, or Scientology.)

Often, problems are just that, and can be worked out without resort to therapy
or support groups.  When they can't, such help is certainly worthwhile.  But
as Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."  Allowing for a certain
naievite, this seems like someone running for the first time into a well-
known phenomenon of life, aggressive health club sales policies.  That's all.

Cheers,
		Dave Ihnat
		ignatz@homebru.chi.il.us (preferred return address)
		ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us
From: akcs.laser@vpnet.chi.il.us (Paul Lamb)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:55:01 CST

The dealer has to take the car back within the first 3 days (72 hours) of
purchase under a buyer's remorse law in IL.  As for this dealer, if you
want to hit him where it hurts contact local papers with your story, or
if you can manage it get tv news media involved.  The last thing this guy
wants in todays market is bad PR on his customer relations.  He be more
than willing to pay for your repairs if you threaten his image as a good
dealer.  By the way, I work for a manufacturer (not Toyota), contacting
Toyota about a used car of another make will do absoulutely nothing. 
Concentrate you letter on the manner you were treated, etc.  However, not
being a new car purchaser, you will likely get little response from
Toyota.  Sorry you had a bad experience-its dealers like this that give
the industry a bad name.

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:04:10 GMT
Summary: Cheap shots.
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes

In article <1992Nov20.001414.11202@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:
> I have to agree wholeheartedly with Michael here.  I have no problem
> with disagreements about the policies and philosophies of our leaders.
> Differences of opinion of that sort make for fun political
> discussions.  I do have a problem with repeating the demeaning, flip
> handles that the media have applied to these men and use to disparage
> them.  Reagan's policies and philosophies were not to everyone's
> tastes -- I voted for him but I disagreed with some of his policies,
> so it does not surprize me that people who did NOT vote for him have
> such disagreements as well!  Reagan was not in the throes of senility
> during his term of office, nor did his age make it impossible to
> discharge the duties of his office.  Quayle is constantly getting
> bad-rapped by the press... 

Come on, Rich, you know me better than that.  And you know about
both Reagan and Quayle better than that, too.  I think I am still
capable of separating political philosophy from personal psychology.
And I am certainly not parrotting "the media".

Reagan's handlers controlled access to him so well that no reporter
dared speak ill of him, lest that reporter be banished from any
information at all.  The media were most kind to Reagan--or did
you wonder how the "teflon" moniker came to be associated with him?

Reagan was out of touch, in a fantasy world of his own, or so say
most biographers and researchers.  The good news was that he delegated
so well that this had a minimal effect; the bad news is that he
delegated to a cabinet that ranks as one of the most corrupt in
American history.

As for Quayle, hey, if it were once or twice, or only 10 or 20
times even, sure, if rhetorical ability were the only standard
Jesse Jackson would be Vice-President.  But you have to wonder about
a lawyer who can't spell at the 5th grade level.  Can such a
person discharge the duties of VP?  Maybe.  Is he the best Bush
could come up with?  Well, that says a lot about Bush.

               *** ***
Ken Perlow   ***** *****
20 Nov 92   ****** ******   30 Brumaire An CCI
            *****   *****   gadfly@ihspc.att.com <- New address.
             ** ** ** **             ^^^
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From: akcs.rob@vpnet.chi.il.us (Robert O'Neal)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:55:02 CST
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.

I can only hope that Clinton proves to be the best of Democratic and
Republican traits.  I have both liberal and conservative feelings on
seperate issues, like the majority of the U.S.
Maybe because of my profession (LAN/WAN systems intergration), I find
it very refreshing to see that Al Gore supports the national
implementation of ISDN.  He may or may not be a 'techie' but he at least
has some interest in this country's technical future.

Robert O'Neal
From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steve King)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Test from builtin editor
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 11:49:12 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: PShrink Wrap BBS, Lake Zurich IL  +1 708 540 6772

Test from builtin editor

--
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