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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: Take 2 aspirin & call me in......
Summary: Can't get it out of my head...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:14:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.081821.4767@gw.wmich.edu>, adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> Two weeks ago I saw an episode (cannot remember the name) where we found
> an elderly couple left on a destroyed planet.....
> What is bugging me is the music that gave Troi such a headache. What was
> the significance of the music?  The dear old all-powerful fellow left the
> bridge, came back and said something like, "She is all right now." So???
> Why was that particular music from the planet's surface bothering her?

The music was coming from the "dear old all-powerful fellow", in order to
block Troi's attempts to discern his true identity.

Frank
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From: edjans01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing)
Subject: Re: Q and the Borg
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:06:40 GMT

In <1992Jul31.131319.9371@news.iastate.edu> twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney) writes:

>I seem to recall seeing a discussion about the powers of Guinan and Q
>and how they compare to the Borg. Q-? was on last night, where Q sends
>the Enterprise out to meet the Borg for the first time, calls Guinan
>an imp, and they both make funny gestures with their hands. Anyway,
>when Picard finally rolls over and asks Q to send the Enterprise back,
>(back into the Federation parts of the universe), Q snaps his finger, 
>then we see the Borg vessel disappear in a Q-ish flash of green light
>, then the E starts spinning around (like it always does when Q does
>something) on its way back to the known universe.

>Point here is that I remember reading here that Q does not have powers
>over the Borg; however, it would now appear that he does. 

I don't think that Q is restricted to not having powers over the Borg.  Are
they some sort of omnipotent andriods/cyborgs?  I don't think so.  I simply
think that Q "threw" the ship from the area that they had encountered the Borg
(Sector J25), thereby removing the _Big E_ from the Borg's area.  I don't
believe that Q made the Borg ship disappear, or in any way touched the Borg
at J25.

As for Guinan, only the writers _really_ know what she is and what her "powers"
are.  Just as we thought we had a grasp on who or what see might be,
especially after episodes "Q-Who", "The Best of Both Worlds 1 & 2" and
"I, Borg", the writers come up with "Time's Arrow" and just shoot our 
imagery all to heck.  I couldn't tell you what she is.  Does she have powers
over Q?  Maybe just defenses against Q?  Are Guinan's people beyond time 
(having the ability to see "above" time or seeing all of time, the past being
completely static and the future being very liquid and dynamic)?

Just a little Samarian Sunset for thought!


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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Q and Guinan (was Re: Guinan's History)
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:29:32 GMT

In article <271.556.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com>, rich.friedman@matrix.sbs.com (Rich Friedman)  writes:
|> >Now, if Q fears Guinan, and it would, shall we say, be a fair battle
|> >between a fully functional Q and Guinan, why would Guinan's people
|> >have been beaten by the Borg when Q toys with them?
|> 
|> Who says that Q toys with the Borg? In that episode, Q did absolutely
|> nothing to the Borg. Everything that he did was to the Enterprise and
|> her crew. He sent the Enterprise to its "rendezvous" with the Borg and
|> then removed the Enterprise to a safe distance. He never exercised any
|> sort of influence on the Borg.

Q and the Borg are hardly in the same category.  Q has been shown to be, for
all intents and purposes, omnipotent.  He'd scarcely have trouble with a foe
that needs spaceships and weapons to fight.

Guinan's powers have never been clarified, but I certainly don't see her race
as being in the same league as Q, either.  Why Q doesn't simply make her
disappear is another question.  Maybe Q stops short of actually killing
people - has he ever done so on TNG episodes shown thus far?
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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine and BABYLON 5
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:36:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul23.050820.4900@anasazi.com> bob@misty.UUCP (Bob Carroll) writes:

Babylon 5 (IMHO) will be much more technically correct than DS9.  They are
creating a universe with planets of different sizes, atmospheres, gravities,
etc... None of this "All the planets are the same size and have the same 
gravitational force--All the species breath oxygen/nitrogen"

The different species will also have different languages.  None of this 
universal translator stuff.  I don't *THINK* they are goind to be using
subtitles either--have to wait and see.

As for the animation side:  Using a network of Amiga/Video Toaster setups
they can do more complete and realistic looking planets, ships, and
space stations than Paramount can do with models.

There is a whole article about the animation part of Babylon 5 in the July
issue of Video Toaster User.  They talk about how, if they were to build
a model with as much detail as the Babylon5 computer model, it would take
up *5* soundstages!  The space station (in the show) is over 5 kilometers
long.  Plus (and they have demonstrated this in a preview)  They can 
seamlessly put live actors in with the animation (ie an exterior shot of
the station with actors moving around in a window)

Plus they are going to release the Lightwave 3D objects for sale after the
premier of the show.  Quite a bonus to us Video Toaster owners!

The premise of the show is different than DS9 too.  Babylon 5 is the fifth 
space station to be built on the junction of a number of species territories.
Babylon 1-4 all met with some disaster or mysterious demise.  Some of the
neighboring species are at peace, some are at war.  Some of the species that
are friendly with a group might be having a war with that group's allies.  This
presents a lot of action and character interaction/development
possibilities.  Plus the show won't be as *sterile* as ST is.  It isn't
necesarrily going to be presenting a utopian future, like Star Trek does.

Jeff Hanna
Animation Consultant
Studio J Video Productions
P.O. Box 3086
West Lafayette, IN 47906
(317) 743-2983

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From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Klingon Howl (Was: Deep Space Nine)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:25:30 GMT
 <1992Jul16.091711.23124@gdr.bath.ac.uk> <1992Jul16.132249.791@athena.cs.uga.edu> <plp1.711302736@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University


>>My question is this?  Why wasn't there a death ceremony (group howl) for
>>the Chancellor (or head Klingon) after his death in Star Trek VI?
> 
> cause he's not a warrior?

Come, now...
What self-respecting Klingon ISN'T? 

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Subject: Guinan and Bald Men...wrt TAII
From: cuy@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:43:49 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas - Space Station Division, Huntington Beach CA
Nntp-Posting-User: cuy

I don't remember anyone bringing this up before, but last night,
KCOP in Los Angeles had a re-run of "Booby Trap."  There was a
scene with Guinan and Geordi that was kind of interesting with
regards to TA.

In the scene, Geordi asks Guinan (paraphrased) what it is that
she finds interesting in a man.  She replies "Their heads....I
have this attraction towards bald men."

The interesting part was that her explanation was that "....a bald
man was nice to me once when I was hurting...." or something like
that - does someone remember the exact wording??

Although this show was in the 2nd season (?), and I doubt that the
writers had TA anywhere remotely in mind, what possibilities could
this give us for TAII?

Dennis
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From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:59:32 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Kenward Chin writes:
  
>Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok,
let's
>rephrase the problem:
>
>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the
final
>ranking be?
  
Easy.  Picard wins.
  
   
     
     
      
The captain ALWAYS wins.
  
    
      
It sezso in the regs somewhere.  :-)



    
 


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From: cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16)
Subject: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:24:43 GMT

There is a 24th century TV series I just discovered called 'Logan's Run'.
There seems to be a minor similarity here and there between itself and Star
Trek and other SF as well. For instance, they have a hand weapon that shoots a
blue beam and can be set for stun, blast, or kill...(sound familiar). I saw an
episode where there were a group of people who used a machine to split
themselves apart into good and evil sections (remember the ST:TOS episode) and
it even looked a little like a transporter. There was another episode where
a different group of people actually had some sort of transporter technology.
Also they have an android. It was never mentioned if he is positronic or not,
but I would be willing to bet that he follows the 3 laws! In one episode he
indirectly killed a human to save 3 others and was rambling on about having
violated the 1st law...Proof enough for me. Does anyone else know more about
this show than I do? I just discovered it last week on a cable channel and
don't know very much about it.
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From: ez006050@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:34:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Someone asked how the phasers could knock the Klingons back if the phasor fire
has no mass, and therefore (according to the poster) no momentum.  Well, the 
short answer is that particles of zero mass can have momentum.  You are 
probably thinking of the old formula momentum = mass times velocity.  That is
just not applicable to zero mass particles.  The momentum of light, for 
example is directly proportional to it's frequency.  Even when you turn on
a light bulb the light strikes you and "pushes" you a bit.  It's just a very
very little bitty push.            Wade Greiner
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: deep space nine
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:16 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>This explanation has been put forth in at least one book (probably
>more by now).  It has never been mentioned in the movies or either
>series because...        (wait for it....)

>IT IS STUPID!!!!

Quite true, and your points are well taken.  One might also say that
books are not considered Canon.  Btw, who's the "official" that made
this official?


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From: Scott Gorcey <scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chief Miles O'Brien's Rank  *SOLVED*
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:23:20 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY


> Just to add my two cents, does anyone remember when Worf's (human)
> parents visited the Enterprise after the Borg Conflict (the episode
> name escapes me for some reason)?  Mr. Rhozenko (sp?) addressed
> O'Brien as "another chief petty officer" when he beamed aboard.
> 
> Am I the only one that caught this?

     No, you're not.  When I was mixing it up in this flamewar
     around-abouts last April-May, that was my main piece of
     diegetic "proof" that O'Brien was a CPO.  
     As I recall, the people I was arguing with contended that
     Sergey Rozhenko (you were close on the spelling, so who
     cares?) was an "old man who was getting senile and obviously
     didn't know what he was talking about and Worf didn't want
     to embarras his father with a correction; neither did 
     O'Brien."  
     The fact that Sergey had memorized all the specs and designs
     of the Enterprise - indicating a good memory for detail -
     and the fact that nothing in the scene suggests that Sergey
     is in error when he refers to O'Brien as a CPO, apparently,
     never bothered them.
     I understand Ron Moore said at someone's convention that
     O'Brien is unequivocally a Chief Petty Officer.  Can't we
     let that be the end of it?

     Scott Gorcey (soon to be back at  v075q5fr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu)
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Brent Spiner and Skin Coloring
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:47:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

The adventures of Data:  Mood Android.

When he's depressed, he turns blue.  When he's happy, he turns pink.  When
he's angry, he turns red.  And when he's not feeling any emotion at all,
he turns Brent Spiner's normal flesh tone.

PAD
From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Federation President in TUC
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:57:35 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Jonathan C Comer writes:
  
>Someone pointed out that the Fed President was listed
>as being Deltan in a J.M. Dillard novel, which I noted didn't 
>agree with the information in other sources (like STTMP) that 
>Deltans are completely bald.
  
Perhaps that is part of the Deltan species' sexual 
dimorphism?  Just as, in humans, males have beards and females 
don't?
    
Or maybe Ilia was just the victim of some unfortunate 
accident/birth defect.  (It's possible, y'know:  I had a college 
professor who was TOTALLY hairless, not even eyebrows and 
eyelashes, because of carelessly mouth pipetting some radioactive 
solution.)
  
  

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From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
>I just rewatched STVI:TUC on home video and was able to analyze certain things
>a little better in my home that I was unable to do at the theater. Maybe some
>of you can answer them:
>
>1) First of all Chronos One is a ship, but I think you guys are right about
>Chronos also being the planet. However, it was to be abandoned so by the time
>of ST:TNG it probably isn't the planet any longer.
>
>2) When the mention of Romulan Ale being illegal pops up Kirk says they are
>1000 light-years from Starfleet HQ. How long is this movie (their perspective)
>anyway? Even at Warp 10 it would take a full year to get 1000 ly and I doubt
>they were going that fast!

  Kirk may have been exaggerating, he may have been implying that
  being a significant distance from Starfleet HQ has its advantages.

>3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
>Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
>momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

   got me on this one...

>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>who is given credit for this quote.

    Yeah, Sherlock H. said that.  From ST:TNG, Data has made reference to
this same line in the episode "Data's Day" and possibly in the episode 
"Elementrary, Dear Data".  

   Hope that helps.


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From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:54:14 GMT

gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:

>In article <70588@apple.Apple.COM>, stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>> 
>>>As a Visionary of the Future, I strongly resent your comments!  Clearly,
>>>you are not Of the Body.  You must be expunged.
>> 
>> Resistance is useless.
>
>Resistance is >FUTILE<! B-{)
>
>You *will* be assimilated....    ;-{)

Hey! Why don't you guys take this to alt.french.captains.borg.borg.borg?

Its much to funny for rec.arts.startrek.current ;-)

I, Locutus II, have spoken.  So let is be written, so let it be done.

I remain, your illustrious leader, Locutus II, of Borg.  ?-|

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From: rjmiller@queens.edu (RJ Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: FAQ and show list PLEASE!!
Keywords: faq, names
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:56:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Queens College

I am new to this group. Could some one please tell me if a list of all the 
shows names (by season with a description) exists. If so, where can I get it 
and also the FAQ. I have seen several requests for this, but no one seems to 
have posted an answer.
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From: tkogoma@vesta.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Endless whining about consistency
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:52:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Jul22.030905.4437@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>You will also notice that the budget argument has been brought up several
>times.  It's like no one reads anything else anyone says.  There must
>have been over 75 posts about the Klingon's heads, but about 4 or 5
>different opinions were expressed.  Get my point?  That's why I said
>give it a rest.  It's the same crap over and over and over and over and
>over and over.  Move on already.

Well, if you can provide instantaneous tramsmission of articles to the
net, we would all be very happy.

Consider the following scenario.

A posts a question about the change in Klingons between TOS and
ST:TMP.

B reads said question and replies.

At the same time, C also reads the question and replies.  B's response
has not reached his site, so he goes ahead and gives roughly the same
answer.

D reads A's question a day later.  Due to net propogation delays, B
and C's responses have not reached his site yet.  He posts a reply.

B reads C's response and notes a minor error (or finds something there
he haddn't considered) and posts about it.

E reads B's response to A and comments about it, making the same point
that D's article does.  Of course, E hasn't read D's article, since D
is still composing it.

Etc.

You come along and flame B, C, D and E for 'posting the same crap over
and over'.  Fine.  *You* give us instantaneous transmission (and I
mean *INSTANTANEOUS*) and then you can bitch about it.  Otherwise,
learn to cope with the mechanics of the net and shut up.

(It should be noted that while the 'typical' propogation delay is less
than one day, it has been known to exceed a week in some cases.)

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