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From: hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (Hyong Chol Lee)
Subject: Re: a3000t and mac quadra
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:53:12 GMT

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:


>FR>(FYI: For anyone who doesn't know, the Q900 was out for... oh, about 5 months,
>FR>then it was replaced by the Q950... nice, huh? Talk about support....)

> And to think Amiga users complain with Commodore. If Commodore has done one
>thing right, it's managed to keep compatible with older Amigas. This may have
>slowed down their upgrades but I would rather wait for a compatible upgrade 
>then jump out and purchase a new computer because my old one isn't compatible
>anymore!

>          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com

Huh? The Q950 is just a 900 with a 33 Mhz 040 (vs 25 MHz), 25 MHz i/o system
(vs. 16 MHz), and a few new color depth options - at the same price as the Q900
was. Doesn't sound too incompatible to me ...


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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:00:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG) writes:

>IDE is a shame when you start considering CDROM. Commodore finally
>starts doing something about CDTV compatablility with the Amiga, then
>releases its star machine without a SCSI interface to support it !

>Sure you can add it in later, but the base configuration of a machine
>has a significant influence on how people view a machine, especially
>magazine reviewers who may not know about 3rd party controllers.

>The only positive point is it opens the door for 3rd party SCSI-II
>cards.

I've already posted elsewhere on this subject, but I think it's worth
repeating. 

The A4000 has a PCMIA interface.  C= are shortly to release a CD-ROM
drive for the A600 which will connect via the PCMIA interface. 
Ta-Da!  Instant CDTV compatability for the A4000 and all future Amigas
which have a PCMIA interface.

This is a very good (and significant) move IMO.

	Mark

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From: bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Defaul tool  (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:44:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <92250.195010DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <raymondu.1d8q@terapin.com>, raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
>says:
>
>>   I agree with your peeve that publishers often put an incorrect default
>>tool.
>> Since not every Amiga has the SYS:Utilites drawer in their path, I submit
>>that
>>every developer with a README file should place the following argument in the
>>default tool:
>
>>   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More

I agree.  Completely... but:

>
>Developers who don't want tech support headaches (and frustrated single-drive
>users) use ":c/more".

OK, if some people put More in the C directory (why?), then use this:

	DEFAULT TOOL:  Utilities:More

Then, HD users assign Utilities: to SYS:Utilities, and floppy users assign
Utilities: to C:.  There, is everyone happy?

Actually, I still prefer Sys:Utilities/More -- because that's where More
is supposed to be, right!?!  Why on earth some programs assume ":path/path"
I'll never know.  You've gotta put something in front of the colon, else
it's only good for one drive/partition.

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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Flame FAQ v1.0
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:40:25 GMT



		comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Flame FAQ v1.0



	Topics include:

		1) How to insult people

		2) How to measure the level of insultiness

		3) How to fight back


____________________________________________________________________________


				How to Insult People

		When someone posts a message that you disagree with, the
	first logical thing to do is respond to him in email with an insult.
	Of course this may not do anything to discourage him in the future,
	because as far as you know he may not even know how to use email 
	(this is a problem among new users). So, the second choice, which is
	also twice as fun, is to insult him publically. Hopefully do so in
	such a way that it is extremely sarcastic (such as this post).


____________________________________________________________________________


	       	    How to Measure the Level of Insultiness

		Insults are measured on a standard scale, from 0 to 376
	degress of the Kelvin scale. Here are some sample measurements:


	376 degrees: You made me so hot I started steaming.

	276 degrees: Yes you bothered me with such cold comments.

	0 degress Kelvin: You are the most insensitive person I ever met
			  on the nets!

____________________________________________________________________________

				How to Fight Back

		The first thing you do to fight back, after apologizing
	of course, is to ridicule the person publically. Email does not work.
	If he says that you are low-life water puddle scum, think up a pun
	using his first name and make a funny post about it (and him). Of
	course when he responds, be prepared to ridicule him even further.
	Aim for 0 degrees Kelvin.

____________________________________________________________________________


	Disclaimer: This is a not-so-funny post brought to you by me, in
	an attempt to make fun of someone who, in his uforia, drank too much
	soda last night.




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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:48:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.011946.2979@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>Now he's gone and done it. Nothing but blasphemous lies (not to
>mention gutteral sounds, the occasional spinning head and a some
>projectal pea soup thrown in for good measure).
>
>On page 44 of the October 1992 edition of Amiga World, Doug Barney
>states:
>
>     "Since its release, the Amiga 500 has been Commodore's
>      best-selling CPU, giving users multitasking, sound and
>      great graphics for the price of a good, used moped."
>
>I don't know about the rest of the world, but demographically speaking,
>my area is rife with authorized moped dealers. I have yet to see
>an Amiga 500 system comparably priced with a second-hand moped.
>Obviously this is a desperate act of a disillusioned journalist.

Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???

Geez...

Nobody cares that I am...
    -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuse/Doc Ami!
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:46:43 GMT

In article <mykes.0dgl@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>AmigaGuide is useless without well designed and written docs to go with it.
>And it needs a LOT better user interface, but that's only my opinion after
>seeing what comes with Windows, the SGI unix, and OS/2...

It needs a lot more colours.  Even on a 16 colour screen it only uses 4.

>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:04:43 GMT

In <18dq39INNffp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>Apple's QuickTime format uses JPEG compression, and it works, how well is
>another matter.

How well.. this is the question. If you can't sustain 30fps then you
need more expensive equipment behind (i.e. a single frame recorder) and
this will only help for video productions (and not for "multimedia").

>This HAM8 mode is the one giving 256K pseduo true colors, right?  That's 18
>bits per pixel, not a whole lot less than 24 bpp, correct me if I'm wrong.

You are 90% right :-) HAM8 also gives you 64 base colors from a full
24bit palette (and you could probably reload palettes several times
with the copper). On the other hand, if you think of moving pictures than
6 bit per grayscale is quite sufficient (as you can see on your favourite
digital VCR that usually stores 6bit luminance and 6bit chroma information).

BTW, JPEG does not give you 24bit true colors either.

Regards,
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From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Does AGA = HAME on a chip(s)?
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:25:49 GMT


I don't remember the exact specs on the HAME board, BUT after thinking
a bit last night, it seems that the AGA chips have some of the flavor
of the HAME board. Also, weren't there rumors at one time that there
was collaboration between Black Belt and CBM? What were the specs on the
HAME board? Did CBM simply adapt the HAME board and put some of its
display abilities onto the AGA chips?

Anyone?????

-- 
	David

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	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
From: besst+@pitt.edu (Brian E Schwadron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FLASH a4000 price
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:21:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92254.220635MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.231953.13778@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(Neal Wickham) says:
>
>>>>      Safe Harbor, a rather large local and mail-order company is reporting
>>>>a price of $2859 on the a4000.  The owner has been very very _very_ reliable
>
>>This is probably right.  I just talked to a dealer here in Denver and he
>>said he was going to retail the A4000 for about $3200.
     My local dealer quoted me a price (on Tuesday) for $3050 for an A4000
system.  Interestingly enough, she has no idea what a A4000 actually is or what
it includes, since C= isn't giving out spec sheets until Friday.

>H-m-m-m. We've already established that the cheapest Mac Quadra is much
>pricier than this. What's the cheapest NeXT out there going for?
     No idea.  I am curious what (if any) educational pricing will be available
for the A4000.

     It all the rumors are correct, the A4000 sounds like a good machine.  I do
believe the IDE is a bad idea (it is understandable in a low-end machine like
the A600, but not the 4000) but otherwise we should end up with a very nice 
machine.  

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From: ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick)
Subject: Re: C= shoots self in foot yet again
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:23:12 PDT

In article <1992Sep13.000541.21156@leland.Stanford.EDU>, on 13 Sep 92 00:05:41 GMT,
dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker) writes:
>     It's been three months since I ordered the 2.04 upgrade, and the
>damn thing is still on backorder.  There are none to be found anywhere;
>Commodore keeps promising them and not delivering them.  Waiting lists
>continue to grow at retailers across the country.
>     What's a more stupid business practice than waiting too long to
>update your operating system?  Announcing an upgrade and then frustrating
>your customers by not being able to fill demand.

Creative Computers here in LA has STACKS of them in the storefront, and
presumably more in their storehouse.  Give them a call.

>     SCREW COMMODORE!
>
 For shame... they say such nice things about you.
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:30:22 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep10.160220.16953@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Yep, that's right, Amiga is the only computer that can lay graphics
>>onto video tape.
>Bullshit.  My 1981 Atari 800 can do the same thing.

	Have you finally gone off the deep end, Jerry?  Or am I the crazy one?
When did Atari (or a 3rd party) develope a genlocking device for the 800?
The original poster was *not* talking about just taping output from an
Amiga RF connected to a VCR....Almost anything can do that, if you use
proper cables.  He was talking about things like Genlocks, which are
fairly inexpensive devices that allow you to mix live action video
with computer graphics, not all of one or the other.   This is used
to titling, among other things.
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Pointless Threads From Hell
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:58:56 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

It could only happen in csa.Advocacy.

Filled with excitement this morning I got up early ran for the bus and
dashed to my nearest available terminal.  And for what?  

My theory (failed theory - it has been disproven :-) went that C= has
announced the A4000 so csa.Advocacy would be filled with interesting and
witty (hah!) dicussions about the new machine and its implications for
C= and the Amiga in general.  

I was niave.

This is a brief summary of what I found.

1) The A4000 is useless - it doesn't have SCSI
2) It has IDE - it doesn't need SCSI
3) SCSI is better than IDE
4) Oh no it isn't
5) Oh yes it is
6) [insert arguments and flames to suit]
.
. [pointless "Oh yes it is" and "Oh no it isn't" discussions deleted]
.

2133) YOU MEAN I CAN'T UPGRADE MY A3000!?!
2134) What do you mean "YOU MEAN I CAN'T UPGRADE MY A3000"
2135) Surely I can upgrade my A3000 it is a 32bit machine after all
2136) My A3000 is a orphan
2137) You can't upgrade your A3000 because [insert complex technical
      discussion to taste]
.
. [pointless I can't upgrade my A3000 discussions deleted]
.

2206) Does all this mean I can't upgrade my A3000?
2207) SCSI is still better than IDE
2208) Oh no it isn't

.
. [more pointless discussions deleted for reasons of sanity]
.

4567) [insert typical Marc Barrett posting here]
4568) [insert dozens of typical flame responses to MB posting here]

.
. [dozens of MB is wrong flames deleted]
.

5167) [insert typical Marc Barrett was right posting here]
      
      Hang on that can't be right can it?  MB is *never* right.  

      [insert awed silence as csa.Advocacy is unsure how to respond]



Admittedly I did miss some features out so feel free to liberally
sprinkle it with DSP discussions and *dozens* of posts all containing
the same technical data.

	Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:09:12 GMT

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>> >Since there is a modular CPU design, Jim Dionne mentioned they might
>> >consider a RISC board. (por favor!)

>> This Risc board idea sounds like a pipe dream to me - especially since
>> 3.0 has more of the OS downcoded into assembly.

>They should have spent the money they spent on THIS improving the compiler.

  Really? How could they possibly? SAS makes the compilers CBM use, and
CBM has nothing to do with the actual development. BTW, they DID improve
the compiler; SAS/C V6.00 is supposed to generate much better code than
older versions. Even better than GCC which generates fairly good code.
If the entire OS was recompiled with the new compiler quite a lot must
have become faster anyway.

  It's funny how people take every possible opportunity to pick on CBM
decisions. If one should believe the postings here in c.s.a.a one would
think the guys at CBM *NEVER* make a good decision... Which is quite
obviously wrong.

  Give the guys some credit. I think they're heading in the right
direction (finally!).
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From: c164-as@po.berkeley.edu (Chuck Woo)
Subject: Re: FINALLY!  THE MARC BARRETT POSTING TRANSLATOR!!!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:29:07 GMT

this has got be the winner of the all-time longest flame award.

- Chuck Woo
- But YES, we have no .sig!
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Amazing Prediction
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:01:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.172022.22724@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep11.055437.10772@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:
>: >
>: >  Sometime, within the next few days, an entity on the net going by the
>: >name Marc Barrett will post a message ferociously bashing the new
>: >Amiga models. It doesn't matter how good the specs of these new systems
>: >are, they _will_ be bashed. And I predict on these [rumored] key points:
>: >
>: >1) Price.  They don't compete with the cheapo $1800 486 systems.
>: >2) Too-Little too-late (tm). Commodore should have had an 040 system out
>: >   over a year ago and a _revolutionary_ chipset out back in 1987. 
>: >   _Anything_ Commodore releases is "too late".  Hence, no point releasing
>: >A   an 040 system.
>: >3) AA chipset doesn't have a fast enough blitter. AA chipset doesn't
>: >have "super improved copper" AA chipset doesn't have anything higher 
>: >than 1024x768x8, and the new modes are interlaced.
>: 
>:    Actually, it doesn't have any non-interlaced Productivity-style modes at
>: all higher than 640x480.
>
>Marc "Commodore Sucks" Barrett spread more misinformation: the highest
>resolution without interlace is 640*512 plus overscan, ei. somehting
>like 768*566 might be the largest with overscan.

Notice that he did specify non-interlace Productivity-style modes.  The
AA chipset is rumored to support the same modes as the ECS and does not
include the flicker-fixer hardware.  Under 2.04, I can set the Workbench
overscan to 680x495, slightly more than the size Marc stated, much less
than what you stated.

If there were a flicker-fixer included, you might indeed achieve close 
to the resolution you specified, in PAL mode.  I can get up to 724x566
using overscanned and interlaced PAL, but even with the flicker-fixer
it looks like crap due to the 50Hz screen and 60Hz lighting.  BTW, I
agree that PAL looks great over on your side of the pond, but believe
us when we Americans tell you that it sucks over here.

While I'm excited about the possibility of more colors, I do wish that
the resolution (or lack of it) had been better addressed.  In the same
sense that the ECS Productivity modes allow for more resolution with
fewer colors, an AA SuperProductivity mode would be nice.  A 1280x960
non-interlaced 2 bitplane screen should be possible given the bandwidth
limitations of the AA chipset, but it might be impossible due to some
other reason.

>Jarkko Lindblad
>lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:22:55 GMT

In article <3735@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>
>  Arguing the technical merits of IDE is one thing, but the economical
>advantages still can't be denied, it's cheaper, both on the motherboard and
>for the user since the drives themselves are so widely avaialable.  Also, how
>many people are going to need more than two drives?

   Price is fine, except it hurts expandability. While many users may never go
beyond a single hard drive, there are problems when dealing with CD-ROM and
tape drives. Everything in the Amiga world is oriented towards SCSI, and all of
a sudden we're whacked with IDE. 
   As much as I hate to see it, IDE is going to be thorn in Commodore's side
until they get it off of the motherboard of the A4000. They apparently got the
message at WOC.


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