From: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Greatest team, Bret Favre and Vikes
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

I saw an interesting article in the Milwaukee Journal today, on Brett
Favre. In the article, Wolf and Holmgren talked about their pre-season
hopes for Favre. They hoped he would be equal to the crowd of qb's in
the Central Divisions. They felt he could be as good as Ganon (sp) and
Harborough (sp) if they were lucky. They also talked about the risk of
him being a flash in the pan, and both Holmgren and Wolf have taken
steps they belive will prevent it. They are going to harp on him all 
off-season about keeping in shape and watching the films. Holmgren also
said that they have asked him to limit his personal appearances and 
the interviews he gives. Hopefully, Favre won't be a flash in the pan.

Oh, Holmgren also mentioned Favre's chances of making the probowl, he said
"I yell at Brett too much for him to make the pro-bowl"

The Packers are delaying their last free move. They have both Vince Workman
and Rich Moran eligible to come off soon. According to the paper, "pookie"
is chomping at the bit in order to return.

On the Steeler/Packer/49er debate on the best team of all time.. who knows.
The times and the ages are vey different. The Packers of the 60's think that
they could beat anyone in history, particularly with Lombardi coaching.
I am extremely biased on this issue. I would say the Packers. With fewer teams,
the number of quality players on a team had to be quite high. Lombardi had
players at probably 15 of 22 positions who would make a top 10 player in history
list. Arguments for the Steelers & 49ers are quite valid. The Packers are the 
only team to win 3 championships in a row. (They did it twice the sixties and
1929, 1930, and 1931 I believe----I'll check my Packer History book)
The only thing we can do is computer simulate. In order to do that we'd have to
rank each player, and any rating system is going to be biased. The simple fact
is we'll never know who is the best of all time. We can throw in individual
year teams and say that, that year they were the best of all-time. We then run
into the 1972 Dolphins, 1943 (?) Bears, the 1956 Giants.

Good Luck to the Steelers and The Pack. I hope we are allowed to control our
own destiny next Sunday. Even if we lose the rest of our games, it was 
still a fun season. 

One more thought....
I think in the first round this year, the Packers should try to get a d-lineman
in their first second round pick, they should pick a reciever and with the
second, another d-lineman. I'd love to see the pack have anawesome d-line.
As far as the o-line draft a forth and fifth rounder. They may pan out.

See ya and Merry Christmas,
JP Wieske

PS: T all the Viking fans, I really feel for you. I wish we didn't have to 
depend on you losing. It would be easier to take, if we didn't need a bit 
of luck to get in the playoffs. I hope the Pittsburgh game is a good one, that
doesn't knaw at your guts too much. Thanks for the Christmas gifts so far. I
would also like to compliment you on your good naturedness, and general class.
 
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