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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:36:50 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Obscene profits

Little Accountant reported:

> Next time you plunk your money on he counter for a CD remember these facts. Ac
> ording to a story entitled "$ 16.98 Scam?" in the Chicago Sun-Times (Nov. 8),
> y Jim DeRogatis, this is where the money goes:
>
>                    $ 2.25 Manufacturing    (14%)
>                      1.20 Marketing        (7%)
>                      2.65 Artist/songwriting
>                           royalty          (15%)
>                      5.09 Retailer         (30%)
>                      5.69 Major label profit (34%)
>                    _________
>                   $ 16.98
>
> This is all based on industry sources and publications.  BTW, the cost of "man
> facture" is quite interesting:
>
>                    Booklet:  .20
>                    Disc:     .85
>                    Tray:     .05
>                    Inlay:    .10
>                    Jewel box .35
>                    Long box  .50
>                    Shrink wrap
>                    & misc.  .30
>                             _____
>                            $2.35
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Renato

Hmmm... Disc: .85  What I don't undertand is why CDs are usually twice
the price of tapes? I mean, if $14.63 are manufacturing-independent,
how come tapes never go over 10 bucks? Ah?

       Ilia.
From: MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET (Mike Karolchik)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 21:32:01 GMT
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   I'd just like to remind everyone that the ALLMUSIC list LOCKs if
more than 50 notes arrive within 24 hours. Once the list is locked, I
have to manually FREE it. Since I'm not always sitting at my computer
waiting for this to happen, it can delay the discussions by hours or
even days.

   Lately the list has been locking at least once per day. I certainly
don't discourage anybody from sending mail to ALLMUSIC, but some
etiquette would help here. At the very least, try to keep your
comments focused on the discussion of music. There have been quite a
lot of non-musical discussions lately that could have been sent
privately. Remember, the list is for MUSIC talk.

   B.T.W., regarding a few queries about the F.A.Q. file... yea, yea,
I'm workin on it. Seems like every time I find an opportunity to look at
that project this place finds some WORK for me to do. Don't they know I
have more important uses for my time???

-Mike t.l.g.
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:35:34 EST
From:         "Can I borrow your towel for a sec,
              my car hit a water buffalo?" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Little Wing

Skid Row just recently released an album titled _B Sides Ourselves_. Also,
from that album, they just released a video (that can only be seen on
Headbanger's Ball on MTV (mainly cuz that's the only time I watch MTV))
called "Little Wing."

Who originally did "Little Wing"?

Other songs on the album include a cover of Kiss' "C'mon and Love Me" and
Judas Priest's "Delivering The Goods", which if I'm not mistaken Rob Halford
makes a guest appearance on. He is in the video for the song.

And, BTW, last week or so, there was some talk about Skid Row, and someone
was classifying them with the likes of Poison and Firehouse. This is simply
incorrect. If anything they took a step back from the commercialized style
with their second album _Slave To The Grind_. I'll agree that their first
album was a little commercialized, but still an exceptional album
nonetheless. _STTG_ is totally different, not at all like their first, and
much, much heavier.

And, BTW2, I can sometimes be found jamming to Firehouse when I'm driving,
but I guess that's my problem.

Seeya,
Gary
"You can't be king of the world, if you're slave to the grind"
- Skid Row
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: You know what kind of night it's gonna be...
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:06:43 GMT

In article <1dd43hINN5dk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>In a previous article, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) says:
>>In article <1csp22INN88p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>  (remember, substitute RSJ for the above RRK)
>
>>And what species are those, the easter bunny?
>
>  Ka-POWWWWWWW!!!  We're hit, we're hit!!  We're taking on water!

That's right.

>  You would poke fun at "Zappa's best drummer" (your words) even before
>hearing this incredible album?  Have you no dignity whatsoever?

RSJ cuts Wackerman.  Case closed. So there.

In fact, after rehearing Roxy and Elsewhere, CW is no longer my pick for
Zappa's best drummer.  It is Ralph Humphry and Chester Thompson.

>  You're sinking to new lows for laughs. Redeem yourself, heathen!

I didn't tell you this before, but when you were bemoaning Holdsworth's
lack of interest by the Jazz community, I was going to say he would do
better if he would hire Joey Baron.  Joey Baron is a hell of a
drummer.  I didn't say it then, but I am saying it now.

Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:00:58 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:28:23 PST Mike Masuda said:
>for the lack of a name, corv7042 says:
>>        Musicians today don't play with the same enthusiasm as they once
>>did.  With innovations in instruments you would think that they would be
>>better, but no guitarist plays like Jimmi Hendrix or Jimmy Page ever did.
>>Do you think that there will ever be a four man band as great as Led Zeppelin
>>?  Also bands seem to be playing for the money rather than for their fans.
>>TAke Guns-n-Roses for example.  APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION was one of the

I think Slash is sincere in his playing i believe if he wasn't making money
he would still be playing. I think that's what you need to look at, whether or
not they love what their doing or just trying to make a buck. Gn'R probally
suffered through alot going hungry...the same ole song....etc. If they were
not sincere in making music they would have grabbed a job somewhere else and
it sure would have been easier...BTW i'm not a Gnr fan, but Slash has impressed
me more than most guitar players of that type.

>I agree that there is nothing like the music of Led Zeppelin; they did so much
>within the confines and boundaries of rock(same with Jimi Hendrix).

Shame on you mentioning Led Zep and Hendrix in the same context, Led Zep
did not have near the same affect on music as Jimi...shame shame...L.W.


>Maybe the media is very picky and narrow minded to choose what the
>public would like to hear.

I know the local stations here reply on consultants to provide a playlist
and these consultants are "not-in-tune" with what people would like to hear.
They say they don't play top 40,they play classic, but actually it is just
old top 40........................L.W.
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Bleating and babbling, we fell on his neck with a scream

From: "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB%MITVMA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Nits, old socks.

>> ...Oh Jesus!  Pink Floyd has a *nine* CD
>> box set coming out on the 17th...
>
>I got more information about this one. Eight of the discs are the original
>albums, and the ninth is not-so-rare B sides like the tunes on _Relics_ and
>the extra tracks on _A Nice Pair_. And it's gonna cost $150 or so. Intended
>to sucker in the Kollector Skum, but no real people will need to get it.

I plan on picking this up for three reasons:

1) The b-sides disc will be the first time that all these songs will be
available (legally) on CD. Relics hasn't been issued on CD.

2) All of the discs (except M.L.O.R.) are newly digitally mastered. Hopefully
that damn popping noise at the beginning of "Comfortably Numb" will be gone.
I've heard that the Syd-era remasters sound excellent.

3) There's a 100+ page book with artwork by Gerald Scarfe

I just wish that they would have included some later rarities like "When the
Lions Broke Free" and "What Shall We Do Now".

As for the price, I believe some mail order places (Noteworthy?) are offering
it for around $105.

From: DARON MCNAB <IDPM%SNYCENVM.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Bravery & Cowardice

>If you look at the so-called-fag-post, you'll see that there was no
>direct "FAG" reference.
>
>What you read into it is an example of your own perverse mind!

Excuse me, but this is what you said:

> Scott --  what are you, a FAG.  "if i know my Mcintyre...".  Get off my back
> and stay out of the conversation if it was not directed at you!
>
> As far as a flame,  I think you are the exact explaination of the word!
>

So stuff it, ya big doodyhead.

-Adam
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:33:55 -0500
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: friday the 13th part I

>I feel like putting on Stevie Wonder's _Superstitions_....  ;*)
>
>What do you feel like playing on such a significant day?
>
>I think I'll line my bedroom walls with mattresses now,
>Libby Doe,
>the howler...

I suggest Institutionalized by Suicidal Tendencies.

BTW:  the name of that lovely Stevie Wonder song is _Superstitious_ :)

The walls of my room are lined with rubber, it matches my sheets.

Spike


"Sometimes I feel like I don't know
 Sometimes I feel like checking out
 I wanna get it wrong
 Can't always be strong
 And love it won't be long ..." - U2
From: MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET (Michelle May)
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Subject: Re: Racism & slides
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:11:43 GMT
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See guys:

        Leonard ain't so bad, after all.  Gee, Lenny, between that post about
        how you value women and the one about the Children of Selma, I need
        a Kleenex just to see my screen, my eyes are so watery.


 Michelle "O.K., I'll stop being so sappy" May
From: mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Dear jazz folk...

Hi guys. I'ts time to utilize the awesome power of this list to clear up a
few music trivia kind of things that have been driving me nuts for a few
years...

1) When i was in high school, I worked on a "musical" called "...and
stuff...". I call it a musical because it had sections that were meant to
be sung, but it didn't provide any music to use! A frined and I used a
really neato song that we found in our radio station's record library. I
have been looking for that song ever since. I'd know it if I heard it, but
I don't know who does it. I think the song is called Corner Pocket, and it
may have been done by Weather Report of Spyrogyra, or someone like that.
The show was in 1987, so it would have had to have been before that. If
anyone can tell me the name of the group and/or album, I would greatly
appreciate it. I know that that isn't a lot of info, but you guys are quite
a wealth of info...

2) Does anyone know who sings "It Might Be You" - the theme from _Tootsie_?
It's not in the Phonolog, strangely enough. I love the song and would love
to get a recording of it!!

3) All of you with catalogs...I've been trying to find the soundtrack album
to the TV show (PBS) _Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego?_ (yes, as in
the computer game). The artist is probably listed as Rockapella. I can't
get hold of it anywhere. if any of you come across it, let me know, OK!!

4) Does anyone have the lyrics to "In the Mood" (Glenn Moller) handy?

5) Has anyone heard of the song "Sitting in Limbo"? The Bobs, an a capella
group, do it on their album _Sing the Songs Of_ , which is an album of
"covers"...Phonolog only lists them! Does anyone know who did it
originally? I don't have the original tape, only a dub, so I can't really
find out who wrote it...

Thanks a lot. I hope that this is sufficiently musical enough for y'all...

Marsha
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:08:08 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Triumph

>>..but then, I don't know if I would call Triumph metal and they are certainly
>>not a big band ('cept for me).

>Oh oh oh!! (Raises hand excitedly.) Me too! They were one of my favorite bands
>in high school, and I don't know why they didn't have a bigger following. Gil
>Moore was a pretty so-so singer, but Rik was terrific, and a good guitarist.
>Triumph without Rik is just not Triumph IMHO. Have you heard Rik's solo album?

Yeah, I always kinda liked the earlier Triumph stuff like "Lay It On The Line",
"Hold On" and "Fight The Good Fight"...Had their off moments (like the extended
guitar solo in "Rock and Roll Machine"), but they had a bunch of good straight
ahead rockers ("I Live For The Weekend", etc.). What did you guys think of
their later stuff ala "Spellbound" (pretty much anything after _Never
Surrender_)? Can't say I liked it much...It started to get a little tired and
boring. Seemed like they were going for a more commercial slant...

I was wondering if maybe this was Rik Emmet's influence? From what I've heard
off both his solo albums, he seems to be going for extreme radio-friendly feel.
Pretty bland...

Bob T
From: SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU (Scott Hammer)
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Subject: Re: What Makes It Blues
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:46:45 GMT
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              12 Nov 1992 11:32:31 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:32:31 EST Sonia Kovitz said:
>> Blues:  an attitude in the music to emulate or produce a feeling
>>         or mood of sadness and sympathy for the poor sod who sings it.
>>         Roots trace back to African chanting and Americanized
>>         version of it by the Afro-American culture.
>>
>
>"mood of sadness and sympathy"  - NOT
>
>Blues ==energy of dealing with the paradox(es) of reality
>
>Blues transcends happy/sad -- up/down -- Blues is LIFE IN YOUR FACE and still
>hanging in ... with style
>
>That's all I've got time for but I had to say SOMETHING (or other)
>
Right On, Sonia!  Thank you for posting this opinion.  As Taj Mahal says,
in his version of "You're Gonna Need Somebody On Your Bond:" "These blues
make my body feel *GOOD*!"

-Scott "Death Don't Have No Mercy" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: He goddam mad dog, eh?

>The Libby solution:  Fill the room with 20 or so large breasted canookie
>groupies.  Breasts are great insulation, just in case you didn't know that...

Great!  Send 'em down.  I play the loudest, so I need the most insulation ;-)

Russ
From: XP53@IONA.BITNET (Chris Marshall)
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Subject: PINK FLOYD
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:38:48 GMT
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I have heard comments lately that the recently announced
boxed set was for "Kollector" types ... why wouldn't
it be recommended as a starter set for someone who
doesn't have anything?

(Well, actually, I have _The Wall_ and _Wish you were here_,
both of which I could listen to forever anyway ...)

Just wondering ...

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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:38:36 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Chicago

    I'll be in Chicago for a few days come the end of this month
(Well, actually the 19th through 21st) and was wondering about what
places I really out to see.  I'm going with the U. of Montevallo, so
the museums & such'll be covered, what about clubs?  I've already
planned for a pilgrimage to Tower Records, I'm interested in clubs,
other then Medusa's, theatres and other places of funky interest.
Can anyone help?
    Sorry about the lack of an OMC, I haven't had the cash to buy
anything for months, everything's gone toward this Chicago trip.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:01:07 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

>Marsha-
>        God, I miss singing too!  My favorite piece I ever performed has to be
>the `Alles Was Odem Hat' , JS Bach.  Short and fast paced and totally
>invigorating.   I love the Dello Joio that ya mentioned also.  Another song
>I loved performing, but cant remember mucha bout, were these three pieces which
>consisted of Lewis Carroll rhymes set to music.  They were a bitch to learn but
>ablolutely amazing.  Can anybody come up with a composer for these?
>

Wish I knew, hon. I'll try to find out - but these guys always beat me to
it!

>        I was in an a cappella group last year, and one song that works
>amazingly well is the Eurythmics "Sweet Dreams (are made of these)"  Ya get two
>people to split up the base line alternating notes.
>        Wish I was back there so I could still be singing!!!
>
Where were you in a group? Do you have any tapes of y'all? i collect these
things and would love to do a trade...I sang in a co-ed group undergrad for
a while before my nodules started acting up and I had to quit...now I sing
my classical, which hurts less, and live vicariously through my CD and tape
collection. I'd really like to hear any and all tapes you have of your
group...or any others you have that I don't! Please respond...

Marsha
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Moose & Cow are the Public Enemy
              5 Nov 1992 11:47:00 CDT from <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UW OSH.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:47:00 CDT MIKE said:
>
>Well, first of all, perhaps this is a discussion better suited for
>BELIEF-L, but since you requested, I'll try....  Basically...Ok, say you
>hate all blacks.  You basically have the feeling that the should all die.
>You don't go around killing them, do you?  NO!  Why?  Because you can't!  I
                                                                   -----
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>By the way....I think I have an answer to solve racism in this country.
>Blacks now want to be called "Afro-Americans," right?  Well first of all I
>want to be called Euro-American, thank you very much.  Anyway, grasping
>that whole point, lets ship everyone back to were they came from and let
>the "Native Indians" take care of this country, OK?
>
Naw, let's ship *you* back to were you came from and let the *ALLMUSICers*
take care of this country :-)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:40:28 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: heavy metal - warning: explicit lyrics

>I should'nt
>have to remind you that Heavy Metal bands did'nt write such songs as...
>"snots running down his nose...".

  Now if that ain't Satan worship, I don't know what is.

                 -Tim

  Anybody laying odds that Daron is really somebody just
parodying a metal head?
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:13:29 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Moose calls for the touring impaired
              5 Nov 1992 15:52:27 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:52:27 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>
>i must say, this is a refreshing concept. I don't personally believe that
>we are on this earth to be pampered, and I think that that attitude can be
>dangerous if misinterpreted, but I like the part about respect a whole lot.

Some may not understand this, but alot of people treat their pets better
than their mate, pampered may not be the right word, but i'm old-fashioned
and think the man should provide for the woman and beware of her needs and
give not only the things she needs, but also want she wants if feasible
However it works both ways.

>It's funny, since I got to law school, I'm finding that men have this need
>to open doors for me! They seem to get insulted if i open my own
>door...However, it is nice to know that people like you are out there, LW,
>who respect women. BTW, I hope you at least do the dishes when she cooks...

Heck i'd do the cooking, i'm not one to do much cleaning though
gladly, but the dishes usually have to wait... I always open doors for women
and most have no problem with it, If they did have a problem with it I would
respect that.

The only thing that even comes close to being as special and beautiful as a
woman is a Sunburst Gibson J-200.......BTW it's second........L.W.