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From: mcmorris@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: Re: *if you have no sense of humor or if you're FMS do not read this*
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:20:08 GMT

In article <BxILo5.Kqx.2@cs.cmu.edu> anonymus+1401@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (darkangel) writes:
>
>
>Q: How many FMS people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>A: None.  They're always in the dark anyway.
>
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
*rolling on the floor laughing...*
here's one:
q: how many counselors does it take to screw in a light bulb?
a: they won't... they want to see you do it yourself! :>
>
brandywine
>
>(just a thought... :) )
>darkangel



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"And I feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me
 but I walk into the fingers of your fire willingly
 and dance the edge of sanity, I've never been this close
 in love with your ghost...."

-_Ghost
The Indigo Girls
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell)
Subject: Re: hello, again & compartmentalization
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:36:17 GMT

anon-1374@twwells.com writes:


>ANON-name: lizard

>Hi.  Probably nobody remembers me, but I don't want to repost about

[lots of stuff deleted]

>This is getting longer than I wanted.  I want to exchange thoughts and
>feelings about this.  I wonder if any one else wants to share thoughts
>about their own compartmentalization.  I'm exploring this now, and
>would very much appreciate talking about this.

>Peace
>from lizard - all of the lizards

lizard!  hi!  welcome back.  it's been a good long time since i've seen you
post.  anyway, i just wanted to tell you that i remember you, and it's good to
see you back.  peace to you too, old friend.
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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: Erik Oliver <eoliver@acc.haverford.edu>
Subject: Re: Abused by SO
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:16:37 GMT
Organization: Haverford College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:17:40 GMT

First of all, I can't believe the silly typo I made in my first message,
it was pointed out by one of the many wonderfull people who responded
with affection and support.

To reclarify the situation: both my So and I are male survivors of
incest.  _I_ was attacked by him Tuesday night.  I finally got up the
courage to tell him that I never want to see him again Wed night. 
Unfortunately I miss him so, because I still love him.  But I recorded
the break up conversation which is good because in it he admits that the
reason he hit me is because "You started crying... ...and you had no
reason to be crying."

I guess he wanted to give me one.  I am so disgusted at this point I
can't begin to describe it.

Any amount of E-HUGS would be appreciated and your continuing support has
been wonderful.

-Erik

EOLIVER@ACC.HAVERFORD.EDU
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Subject: Re: RELIGION
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:06:32 -0600
Keywords: religion

In article <BxKA7v.3HL@twwells.com>  writes:
>About this Religion Thang.....
>
>I am in general very very turned off to religion.  To me religion is when men/women
>take aspects of "spirituality" and package them into belief systems, ritual, guide-
>lines, laws, dogma, tools of manipulation and control etc.  
>
>For the most part, this "religion" as I see it has done far more harm than good.  
..
>Nothing is only ever black or white.  I do think that faith is strong enougth to heal  and help  
poeople.  But somethimes that "faith" is in Jesus, or Krishna, Buddha, or in
>yourself. Spare me from the dogma af the"Absolute Truth" religion, thank you....  
>
>I was raised Jewish, turned atheist at age 12, then agnostic, now I am content with
>a sort of Zen-Buddist like head.  I do believe in an all encompassing consciousness

M. Scott Peck, in _The Road Less Traveled_, reminds us to keep in mind the fact that
_everyone_ has a religion. Keeping this in mind, do you think what you have faith in 
can be termed a religion? (Notice that the "religion" most people are disgusted with
is _blind faith_.)

>thay we and every atom is a part of.  I also feel there is a soul in all creatures
>that does not "die".  BUt I could be wrong about all this stuff.  DOes not matter.
>It makes me feel good, helps me live my life in a more positive way, and does not
>hurt anybody else in the process.  I will speak of my beliefs but not impose them
>on others.  I try not to judge others.  I make shitloads of mistakes along the way and feel bad  
somethimes.  But thats ok. Why? Casue I try to learn from it all.  
..
>All in all: If your religion or belief system  helps you love yourself and others in a  true  
healthy all encompassing way, keep it.  If it makes you hate, fear and judge others who are  
different, or encourges you to feel guilty, unhappy and self-loathing, hey,
>chuck it out the window.  Its like this: gee, I am thirsty, and I am trapped here in
>this room with only glass of orange juice an a glass of Liquid Plummer.  Which should
>I drink?
From: anon-1388@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: anon 1315 and 1159
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:12:23 GMT
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X-News: cc.usu.edu alt.sexual.abuse.recovery:4843
From: anon-1366@twwells.com
Subject:anon 1315 and 1159
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:59:03 GMT
Message-ID:<BxDMyI.52y@twwells.com>

I appear to be having trouble receiving forwarding....if you
don't mind, could you reply directly to:

PETE@JEEVES.USASK.CA

Then I should be assured of getting it!!  Tx





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From: anon-1372@twwells.com (Sierra)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: hi you all
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:44:30 GMT
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Hi, I'm yet another survivor.  This is the first time I'm posting so I'm
kind of nervous.  I'm angry about having to use the anonymous service
but my father reads news regularly and it just doesn't feel safe using
my own name.  Maybe some day I will be strong enough.

I don't really know what to say.  I'm a survivor, like I said before.
My father abused me for a long time - I've known about that for a while.
This past week I think I have remembered some things that my mother did
and that is really terrifying me and freaking me out.  I've always hated
my father, so when I remembered what he had done it almost made things
make sense.  But I like my mother - even now when she is refusing to
believe what my father did to me I still care about her!  It makes me
angry that I'm still feeling sympathetic to this woman, and it also
makes me want even more to disbelieve myself or to excuse her.  She was
abused by her father so I keep telling myself that what she did wasn't
really that bad because she was hurt herself.

I'm glad that there is a supportive survivor community out there on the
net!  I really have been helped by reading this group.  I think all of 
you who write here are really strong, and I particularly wanted to say
that to poohbear.

Well I guess this is all for now. 

Take care all of you



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From: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  (tigger)
Subject: Re: anti-depressants and creativity
Originator: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:48:28 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, Univ. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


sorry if this appears twice, by newsreader said it didn't post
it, but it's said that before...  :)


  stote@tomcat.den.mmc.com (M. Stote) writes:

>I have found that being depressed has greatly affected my creativity.  I'm
>in an engineering job which demands very high levels of creativity & my
>performance over the past year and a half has suffered.

when my depression was a constant tangible aspect of my life, i
had *no* creativity.  on top of that, i had lost my ability to
concentrate.  i was hyper but didn't want to do anything.

being on an anti-depressant (tofranil) i was able to do things
that i couldn't before.  i was able to get back to my craftwork,
to get back to my thesis, ...

so, in one respect, the anti-depressant helped my natural creativity
find a door through the depression.  it did not give me creativity
i did not already posess, but helped free the creativity being crushed
by the depression.
 
tigger
From: anon-1326@twwells.com (The Captain)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Confrontation
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:19:17 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
X-Email-Accepted: yes

I finally took some action and wrote my counselor a letter about the breach
of confidentiality.  I didn't realize until today that he had an email
account.... oops!  I prefer communicate with him over the email network
because our intra-campus mail can be very unreliable....

So far my counselor hasn't replied yet.  I'll make sure to tell all of you
what he had to say when I get a reply.  For some reason, I'm afraid that he's
going to try to deny that it was a breach of confidentiality, just in the
same way my dean tried to do so.

The whole thing really bothers me because I feel a lot like I did when I was
molested by my brother.  I mean, I trusted in him and had that trust
violated.  Also, I feel like I had chances during my sessions with him to
bring this up, as well as the other misgivings I have about him, but that I
didn't capitalize on any of these opportunities.  

When my brother molested me, I would tell myself every time that if he ever
tried it again, I would confront him and put a stop to it (remember, my
brother would molest me thinking I was asleep and unaware of what was going
on).  However, the next time my brother would begin to molest me, I chickened
out and felt too powerless to do anything about it.  I always felt guilty
about myself for having done that.  Likewise, the day after I found out my
confidentiality had been violated, I had a meeting with my counselor (this
had already been scheduled).  I told my counselor that I had had a bad day
the previous day, and was going to tell him that I was angry because I found
out my confidentiality had been violated.  Instead, I started talking about
other things that had happened to me, and never got around to talking about
the breach of confidentiality.  I was pissed at myself for not confronting
him right then and there.

There are some times when I just feel like the biggest coward.... :-(

The Captain



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From: anon-1383@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re:  Anti-depressants and creativity
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:27:08 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

Well, I actually have found that anti-depressants do not affect creativity.
In fact, they have helped me considerably.  Just the side-FX might cause
little problems at first, but really, for what benefit they give you,
it's well worth it




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From: anonymus+2790@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (poohbear)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: threads, 1:43 am
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:47:56 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service


 
 hanging by
 unravelling
 
 
 dont want to get taken away
 cant let them take me again
 
 just want to be forgotten
 why so hard?
 
 i will not go to the respite
 damn it
 i will lock myself in my rroom
 and cut away and not eat and
 damn it they better not take me away
 
 ill lock the door
 augh
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From: anon-1361@twwells.com (Michelle)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: none
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:23:55 GMT
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This is a test.



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From: anon-1372@twwells.com (Sierra)
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Subject: thanks
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:36:01 GMT
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to all who responded to my last message.  I'm still not doing great, but I'm
better off than I was then.  Hearing from you all really did help!  I will
respond individually to your emails when I find the strength.

--Sierra



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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: holidays suggestions thread
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:23:19 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

>Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find other things to 
>do and offer planning suggestions, experiences on how you survived while
>staying in your body or not and any comments, cautions or opinions you
>may have!  
>
>Holidays, like anything I have found so far on this journey, are tough
>but it you do a little acceptance of yourself and where you are and then
>plan on alternate routes, you'll do ok.  Don't forget to take care of
>yourself.  In some ways, its just another day and in others, its not
>but you'll be ok.

One thing that a bunch of my friends do (since many of them don't get along
with their families) is to just get together with each other.  I've stopped by
these a few times, and fo some reason I always have a better time around my
friends than my family, expecially at holiday times.  (Namely because I don't
have to wear a Xitan mask to keep people happy...)

I'm posting this because there may be elsewhere another place were there are a
group of asar readers in the name neighborhood where this is a problem.  I end
up seeing 2-3 other asar people along with a bunch of other friends when the
holidays roll around, and it makes for a pleasent change of pace.  :)

===========
Krikket (a.k.a. Doug Krick)  ---  krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us
3 Danada Square East #246    ---          ^^^^^^^^
Wheaton, Il 60187  U.S.A.    ---  (The Net feed is working again!)

May the forces of Evil become confused on the way to your home!
From: MCARTER%BENTLEY.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: subscribe alt.sexual.abuse.recovery Mikel-Jon Carter
Date: 11 Nov 1992 08:05:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subscribe alt.sexual.abuse.recovery Mikel-Jon Carter.  I was told to
let the group know that I cannot read anything posted to the group as a
whole since I am on bitnet.  So if anyone wants to write, they must do
so directly to my address <mcarter@bentley.bitnet>.

Thanks
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Abused by SO
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:56:11 GMT

In article <A8SSB0XJ@cc.swarthmore.edu> Erik Oliver <eoliver@acc.haverford.edu> writes:
>First of all, I can't believe the silly typo I made in my first message,
>it was pointed out by one of the many wonderfull people who responded
>with affection and support.
>
>To reclarify the situation: both my So and I are male survivors of
>incest.  _I_ was attacked by him Tuesday night.  I finally got up the
>courage to tell him that I never want to see him again Wed night. 
>Unfortunately I miss him so, because I still love him.  But I recorded
>the break up conversation which is good because in it he admits that the
>reason he hit me is because "You started crying... ...and you had no
>reason to be crying."

Jesus....this is definitely a person that it isn't safe to be around.
I'm glad you're getting out.

>I guess he wanted to give me one.  I am so disgusted at this point I
>can't begin to describe it.
>
>Any amount of E-HUGS would be appreciated and your continuing support has
>been wonderful.

I'm sending you lots of e-hugs.

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
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From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: my theory about why some people are irritated at Ed
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:34:32 GMT


I think I better clarify what I'm talking about.  Let me use an
example: in our culture, little boys are usually taught not to cry,
that crying is unmanly, weak, something only a girl would do.  Little
girls, on the other hand, are allowed to cry as much as they want
(usually).  Not all little boys get this conditioning, and some who do
get it decide to allow themselves to cry once they become adults.  But
a *lot* of little boys get this sort of treatment, and a lot of men
have trouble allowing themselves to cry.  Most women don't have any
trouble letting themselves cry (in fact, a lot of us have trouble
*not* crying).

I was wondering if little boys in our culture get a similar kind of
brainwashing about making forceful, assertive statements rather than
conciliatory remarks.  I believe that I was *discouraged* from making
forceful, assertive statements as a child, and I think a lot of little
girls got the same treatment.  It would make sense to me if a lot of
men were encouraged as boys to be agressive (e.g. "What do you mean,
you 'think' that _____ !  Make up your mind.  Be a man!).  This is
certainly not meant as a criticism of men, and it doesn't mean all men
do this.  I simply wondered what kind of conditioning most men
received as children, and if that would explain some of the
communication difficulties I see around me.  I didn't mean to offend
anyone. 

  holly
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From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: what happened?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:05:33 GMT

In article <BxB28B.HBF@twwells.com> anon-1259@twwells.com (Kate) writes:
>I sent a very painful and difficult message yesterday morning and it has
>not appeared.  I'm quite upset about it.  Does anyone know if some messages 
>got trashed by accident yesterday? (or was my note deleted?)

I did a search, and it never got here ( and our site usually gets mail
right away ).  The last post from you is the one asking how to use
anon mail.  Did you save a copy?  I hope so...

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From: tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted delaney)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Yes! one for our side!
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 07:32:59 EST

well, I am very excited!
Elliot Wiggington (founder of Foxfire) is spending his first day in JAIL...
I know folks who were abused by this man, and know alot about the situation,
and this guy has been doing this for years and years..(heck- 23 people came
forward willing to testify- that should say alot)
I am just glad that, for today, we have a Victory.....
just had to tell this, and this group seemed reaaaaaaal apropriate..

e-hugs, where applicable.
Ted, and friends
From: anon-1264@twwells.com (KillDoll)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Reformatting
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:57:07 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
X-Email-Accepted: yes

In alt.sexual.abuse.recovery I write:
> <Bla bla bla ... about futuristic / fantasy bio-engineering>

I just re-read my article this afternoon.  Sorry about all the babbling.
I was up late and obviously needed to hit the hay to start thinking again.

KillDoll



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From: anon-1281@twwells.com
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Subject: Suicide
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Sorry but I forgot.
Mail ON

thanks for the forum
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From: anon-1385@twwells.com
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Subject: Please IGNORE this TEST post
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:50:51 GMT
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This REALLY is a test post.

The TIN MAN



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