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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:28:47 CDT
From:         Terry Dawson <terry@edsi.plexus.COM>
Subject: Re: Newsweek/Internet & the Deluge
              92 9:49 am

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> beginning now and rapidly and hard, both commercially and politically
> -- I personally believe it will become lost in the oceans of commercial
> fulltext, commercial multimedia (ISDN or other), and other crass but
> popular and highly profitable applications about to descend upon us.
> Apre`s nous, le de'luge.

So, are we doomed to watch and wait?  I fear so, unless we begin acting
more in concert as a profession and less in concern with our own "little
worlds".  The fact that the Net is the province of academic computing is
a source of frustration to many in public libraries.  While those who
are maintaining servers may be rightly concerned about security and
restricting access, others are making bigs plans to make big bucks.

In some ways, this may be inevitable.  Librarians are not (for the most
part) publishers, yet we have many good paradigms for providing print
information.  We are still trying to find and define the paradigms on
the electronic frontier.

We need to move beyond the academic world.  As a public librarian, I
know that paying tuition is not a prerequisite to learning, nor is
research the sole province of the tenured and tenure-seeking.  But it
often seems that academic and school colleagues have trouble with this
point.  Here in Wisconsin, the state has worked to provide network
connections for many academic libraries and school districts, but not
for a single public library.  This is changing, thanks to the efforts of
good people, but the pace is frustratingly slow.  The message is clear:
"You're on your own."

What library provides a service where anyone can walk in, sit down at a
terminal and access the richness of the net?  We're not there yet, but
it's dollars to doughnuts that Ma Bell will be selling information
services in the not-too-distant.

It may be that we are doing the best we could possibly do.  A little
push here, a little influence there, to keep things moving in the right
directions.  When the tools are more refined, we'll be more ready.  This
is still a society where the profit motive is a strong governing force
and everything has a cost, so I'm just looking forward to the "crass but
popular and highly profitable applications."

PACS-L participants are people who are making a difference.  We can't
work miracles, but we can make a few points here and there.  Keep
talking and working: I'm not exactly sure where we're going, but getting
there is proving quite interesting...
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:07:50 CDT
From:         STODDAM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      ALA support drive

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The March 15th issue of Library_Journal has an editorial on ALA's
dial-in for American Libraries, but many of the librarians I've
spoken to still haven't heard about it.  The following message
appeared on a non-librarian listserv, and appeared from context to
have been forwarded at least twice.
        MJ Stoddard / stoddam@vuctrvax

=====================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================================
| From: "Stephen M. Hayes (219) 239-5268" <LTPYWS@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
| Subject: call for America's Libraries
|
| Have all you in call i for America?  This is especially
| important for all you non-librarians to participate.
|
| " a campaign, launched by the American Library Association, runs
| through April 11, 1992.  The goal is to generate a list of names
| that will be shared with Congressional leaders to demonstrate
| Public support for libraries.  To participate,
|
|            CALL  800-530-8888
|
| Callers are asked if they agree with the following statement:
|
| "I believe America's libraries are essential to democracy;
| I believe libraries play an important role in education, and
| that librarians provide vital services.  I believe our
| nation's libraries should be fully funded."
|
| there is no charge in that Telephone Express, a long distance
| carrier based in Colorado is donating telephone lines,
| office space, equipment and some support staff.  The telephones
| are being staffed by some 200 volunteers...
|
| PLEASE CALL AND SUPPORT LIBRARIES AND LIBRARIANS

=============================END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE==========================

It takes less than a minute of your time, and, as the above message
implies, you will be answered by a human being, not a machine.  They do ask
you to supply your name and address and if they may add you to the list of
supporters to be presented to Congress during ALA legislative day in April.

Libraries, YOUR libraries, are having to cut back on hours, staffing,
acquisitions, the amount and extent of services available.  (This is
regrettably true not only for public libraries, but for libraries on all
levels.)  Public libraries are largely funded on the local level -- let
your local government know you support your libraries, not just the federal
government!

Remember, the deadline is 11 April 1992.  Please feel free to spread the
word.

Mario Rups
<MRUPS@BROOK.BITNET>
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:05:05 CDT
From:         KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: NCSU Transmission Project

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All I can say Tracy is "Wow!"  ...
And ask that you keep us updated with the problem-solving involved in
the project.  Thanks.

Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:50:20 CDT
From:         "Charles Bailey, University of Houston" <LIB3@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Citations to PACS-L Messages

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Bernie Sloan wonders if PACS-L discussions are ever mentioned in print
media sources (see below):

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 From: Bernie Sloan

 I see where one of our relatively recent discussions merited an item
 in the print media.

 In the April 1 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education (p. A19),
 there's a four paragraph item on the recent discussion of how/whether
 participation in Bitnet lists, computer conferences, etc., impacts
 decisions on promotion, tenure, and job searches. There are quotes
 from two of the participants (Mary Brandt Jensen and William J. Hunter).
 Could this be a first? I don't recall seeing one of our discussions
 jump from electronic to print media before. . . .
----------------------------------------------------------------

It is becoming more common to see PACS-L messages being quoted
and cited in books and journals.  Here are some representative sources
that have cited PACS-L messages:

     Roberta A. Corbin, "The Development of the National Research and
     Education Network," Information Technology and Libraries 10
     (September 1991): 212-220.

     Lorcan Dempsey, Libraries, Networks, and OSI: A Review with a Report
     on North American Developments (Bath: UK Office for Library
     Networking, 1991.)  (Also cites two PACS Review articles.)

     Diane Geraci and Linda Langschied, "Mainstreaming Data: Challenges to
     Libraries," Information Technology and Libraries 11 (March 1992):
     10-18.  (Also cites a PACS Review article. )

     John Kupersmith, "Technostress and the Reference Librarian,"
     Reference Services Review 20, no. 2 (1992): 7-14, 50.

     Thomas A. Peters, The Online Catalog: A Critical Examination of
     Public Use (Jefferson, NC: McFarland & Co., 1991).  (Also cites
     a PACS Review article.)

     Laverna M. Saunders, "The Virtual Library Today," Library Administration
     and Management 6 (Spring 1992): 66-70.

     Stuart Spore, "Downloading from the OPAC: The Innovative Interfaces
     Environment," Library Hi Tech 9, no. 2 (1991): 69-79.

Ann Okerson and I have argued that computer conferences may be a new type
of serial publication [1,2].  Whether this is true or not, computer
conferences are having an impact on scholarly discourse in the library
print media.

1.  Ann Okerson, "The Electronic Journal: What, Whence, and When?," The
    Public-Access Computer Systems Review 2, no. 1 (1991): 5-24.

2.  Charles W. Bailey, Jr., "Network-Based Electronic Serials," Information
    Technology and Libraries 11 (March 1992): 29-35.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:23:04 CDT
From:         Tim O'Connor <OCONNORT@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Anonymous access

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Christopher Nolan writes:

> I may be missing something here, but I understood the Internet's
> purpose as being based on research and education.  I would think that
> this would include one of our student's being able to walk up to a
> networked PC and initiate a telnet session of her/his own choosing,
> rather than being limited to the choices we might put on an OPAC menu.

The rule of thumb is something like this:  If you provide wide-open
access, then try to make sure your users identify themselves.  Then, if a
system is broken into -- and the break-in originated at your host or
PC or terminal server -- you can track down who was using the machine
during the time of the break-in.

Open access is very important in the world of education ... but it
carries its own obligations.  So, when someone makes a connection from a
machine at a given time, ideally we try to record who was using the
machine at that moment, to create some kind of audit trail.  (If someone
is breaking into a system I have to worry about, and I find that Mr. XYZ on
the other side of town provides anonymous access to a telnet connection,
I would insist that Mr. XYZ monitor the use of that connection.)

Mr. Nolan is correct that "the potential for hacking exists in either
case."  Network RFC 1173 acknowledges this:

    ... "sensitive" sites MUST be aware that it is impossible in the
    long term to deny Internet access to crackers, disgruntled former
    employees, unscrupulous competitors or agents of other countries.
    Getting an offender flushed is at best a stop-gap, providing a
    breathing space of a day or an hour while the security holes ...
    are closed.  It follows that each host's manager is ultimately
    responsible for its security....

But the cornerstone of security, according to RFC 1173, is that

    Internet sites SHOULD NOT have "general use" accounts, or "open"
    (without password) terminal servers that can access the rest of
    the Internet.

If we offer wide-open access at library PCs or terminals, then *we* are
the ones holding the door open.  We have a responsibility to try to
safeguard against vandals who might see us as a passageway to mischief.

--tim o'connor

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                            Tim O'Connor
Technical Support Coordinator    --    NYU Bobst Library Systems Office
INTERNET: OCONNORT@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU -- BITNET: OCONNORT@NYUACF.BITNET
           **The usual organizational disclaimers apply**
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:41:54 CDT
From:         AGRTQB@IRMFAO01.BITNET
Subject:      Hitchhikers Guide ... where can I find it

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Hello,

In her mail to PACS-L on the 21st of February Judy Myers lists 2 books
on the INTERNET:

Zen and the Art of the Internet
Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet

I have got the first one. Is the Hitchhikers also an email book downloadable
like the Zen? If yes, where is it possible to find it?

Thanks for the information.

Alain Delmotte     Agrometeorology / FAO         or   Avenue du Marathon, 6
                   Via delle Terme di Caracalla       B1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
                   I00100 Rome ITALY                  BELGIUM
                   tel.: Italy-6-5797 5504            Belgium-10-45 11 92
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:04:23 CDT
From:         Heyward Ehrlich <ehrlich@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Subject:      NOTA BENE/SIGNATURE April 15 NEACH

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                      An Invitation from NEACH
                (Please forgive any multiple postings.)

    The Northeast Association for Computers and the Humanities invites
you to attend its next meeting in New York City at the IBM Building,
57th Street & Madison Avenue on WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 1992, at 1:30 p.m.
for a panel and demonstration of two new word processing packages using
the XyWrite format, NOTA BENE 4.0 and SIGNATURE 1.0.
    The featured presenters will be STEVE SIEBERT of Dragonfly
Software, who will demonstrate NOTA BENE 4.0 LINGUA with its extensive new
language capability, and CHRISTINE RIVERA of MicroDynamics Plus, who will
demonstrate XyQuest's new SIGNATURE program with its many new features and
graphical interface.  Mr. Siebert will also demonstrate ORBIS, a new
textbase package designed to work with Nota Bene and Signature.
     Other panelists will include ALLEN HILL of Skadden, Arps, who
will discuss Atex, the mainframe ancestor of XyWrite, and GEORGE VALLASI,
v.p. of Chernow Editorial and director of the New York XyWrite SIG,
who will discuss XyWrite III Plus.
     XyWrite was for a long time time program of choice for writers,
journalists,  editors, programmers, and typesetters.  Nota Bene was
endorsed by the MLA and became a favorite of humanists and users of
multi-lingual writing software.  Now Signature has been released to
replace XyWrite III Plus and as an upgrade path for IBM's Displaywrite.
    Don't miss this unusual and exciting presentation.

    NEACH Program Calendar for 1991-1992:

Wed.   Oct. 9   Humanist & Women Writers Proj. Elaine Brennan, Humanist
Tues.  Nov 12   The Writer's PC: New Horizons  Judith Glassman, ex-Wolff
Wed.   Dec. 11  Center for Electronic Texts    Susan Hockey, CETH
Tues.  Jan. 21  Global Network Resources       Mary Sproule, Princeton
Wed.   Feb. 12  Managing Textual Variants      F. W. Wilson, Morgan Library
Tues.  Mar. 10  Poetry & Natural Lang. Proc.   Mary Dee Harris, Language Tech.
         -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
WED.,  APR 15  NOTA BENE 4.0 AND SIGNATURE     STEVE SIEBERT, et al
       Note:  Formerly scheduled for April 8.
          -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
Tues.  May 5   Gutenberg Text Project        Michael Hart, Exec. Dir.

    All NEACH meetings are free and open to the public.  Ask at the desk
when you enter the IBM Building for a pass to NEACH or HUMANITIES.  For
information on NEACH membership, write ehrlich@andromeda.rutgers.edu.

    Heyward Ehrlich, NEACH President
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:31:19 CDT
From:         Jim Hobbs <HOBBS@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      New Horizons... in ERIC

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After the discussion of ERIC indexing the electronic journal "New
Horizons in Adult Education," I thought I'd see what the actual
citations look like.  There were three items retrieved by
searching the string "New Horizons in Adult Education," in
SilverPlatter ERIC, updated to Dec. 1991.  Two of the items used
"New Horizons in Adult Education" in the Journal Name field, with
volume and dates.  They are not Current Index of Journals in
Education (CIJE) items, however; they are Resources in Education
(RIE) items!

The newest item is ED330780, and it consists of "the print
version of the spring and fall 1988 issues of an electronic
journal;..."  The article names and authors are given in the item
abstract.  ED330779 contains "the print version of the first
issue of an electronic journal,..."  ED316732 is "The Electronic
Journal:  Promises and Predicaments" by Michael Ehringhaus,
published in 1990.  It gives the results of a survey of readers
of "New Horizons in Adult Education."

I also tried the "Journal Contents Index" in the January through
March 1992 issues of the printed CIJE without success.  CIJE has
yet to actually pick up a single individual article from "New
Horizons in Adult Education."  How indexing of electronic
journals will affect the library remains to be seen.


Jim Hobbs, Coordinator of Online Services  BITNET:  HOBBS@LOYNOVM
Loyola Univ., New Orleans           INTERNET:  HOBBS@VM.LOYNO.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:27:38 CDT
From:         CBEARD@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
Subject:      Mediated Online Searching Survey

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    This message is being posted to LIBADMIN, LIBREF-L, and PACS-L.

Thanks to all those who responded to my inquiry regarding the effect of
locally-mounted databases on librarian-mediated online searching.  The
information provided was most helpful

Almost without exception, the availability of index/abstract databases
on CD-ROM or on tape mounted on the local OPAC was accompanied by a
decrease in the amount of online searching performed by librarians.  In
the few cases that reported no decrease in the number of searches, most
reported an increase in the complexity or difficulty of the searches.
One colleague said that librarian-performed searches for faculty had
dropped to almost none in spite of the fact that such searches are
highly subsidized.

If anyone is interested in reading the actual responses, please send me
a message and I'll be happy to forward them to you.


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|                                                                        |
| Craig W. Beard                        |  205-934-6364                  |
| Mervyn H. Sterne Library              |  cbeard@prime.mhsl.uab.edu     |
| University of Alabama at Birmingham   |  slb2009@uabdpo.bitnet         |
|                                                                        |
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:55:51 CDT
From:         Mary Brandt Jensen <MJENSEN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Peer Review and the Net

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Personally, I would be willing to put up with the delays of peer review
if I could get some real editing out of it.  My work, like most other
work I have seen, could really benefit from a good *hard* edit, but I
never seem to get that from peer review.  I'll continue to seek that
kind of input any way I can, and thankfully the net has provided the
contacts for the few good editors I have found.

I don't know what else to substitute for quality control, but I don't
think the current system of peer review gives us the quality control
it claims to give.  I pay no attention to peer review when I decide what
to read.  I pay attention only to subject matter and at times my
recognition of authors names.  And the net contributes to my recognition
of many author names.

Mary Brandt Jensen 			University of South Dakota
Director of the Law Library             School of Law
Associate Professor of Law		414 E. Clark St.
MJENSEN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU                 Vermillion, SD 57069-2390
(605) 677 6363                          Fax (605) 677 5417
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Subject:      Internet Guides

3 Messages, 75 Lines
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From: STRAUSS@UNCA.BITNET
Subject: Re: Dana Noonan's Guide

Try Dennis Viehland's guides also--great stuff.

Bob Strauss
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From: NOONAN@MSUS1
Subject: Re: Dana Noonan's Guide

Metronet is a multi-type library organization serving academic,
public, and special libraries in the Minneapolis/St. Paul
metropolitan area.

Metroline is a bulletin board I run for Metronet. It can be reached
at (612) 224-8086 - it is not on the internet. All are welcome to
call the BBS - it's free but the phone call may not be. Please call
evenings or weekends if you are outside the Twin Cities.

A Guide to Internet/Bitnet is a guide to some basic stuff that the
novice internet user might be interested in, such as, VAX mail,
special interest group lists, FTP, internet freenets/bbs, and library
catalogs that can be reached using telnet.

Network News is a newsletter that I send out about once a month as
an update to the guide. The newsletter focuses on the"goodies"
I have discovered roaming the internet.

The LIBSOFT archive maintained by Gordon Nicholson at the University of
Western Ontario has copies of my guide and the newsletters. You can obtain
copies of the files via anonymous FTP. Please use the archive outside of
normal business hours.

      FTP hydra.uwo.ca
      at the prompt: type user anonymous
      at the password prompt: type user@site or guest
      type cd libsoft
      type get guide1.txt to transfer the file to your computer
      type quit to exit

The guide is in two files: GUIDE1.TXT and GUIDE2.TXT. The second file
contains just my list of library connections (and goodies).

The newsletters are in the NET1.TXT - NET4.TXT files. The next newsletter
will be coming out shortly.

Dana Noonan
Metropolitan State University
noonan@msus1.msus.edu
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From: Marcie Richie       <RICHIMW@NSCVM1.NETWORK.COM>
Subject: Metronet

Metronet is a coordinating group for information professionals in the
ST.Paul-Mpls area.

The Internet address is metronet@vz.acs.umn.edu

You can order print copies of Dana Noonan's Guide to the Internet/Bitnet
for $2.00 from

Metronet
226 Metro Square Bldg.
&th and Robert Streets
St. Paul, MN  55101

Metronet runs a BBS, Metroline, at 612-224-8086, help number is 612-722-9257.

Marcia W. Richie  marcie.richie@network.com
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Subject:      DECprint on CSLG??

Neither DECprint nor the DECprint PostScript-to-Sixel utility
are in the CSLG lists?  Anybody know why not?

Mike Wright
University of Florida
mcw@pine.circa.ufl.edu
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