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From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: Still the best deal going (IMHO)
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.172550.7532@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)  
writes:
> This fare is only for the first flight in the morning in either
> direction.  Otherwise, they wanted to charge $79 for any other DCA->JFK
> flight.  At $79, it is still a better walkup deal than the shuttles!

Don't forget that USAir has the student/senior passes at $50 one-way in  
packs of 5 or 10. They can be used for walk up as well. Flying times are  
limited to flights 10am to 2pm and after 7pm M-F, and all day Sat or Sun.

Barring the passes, TWA does have the best fares for the Boston to NYC and  
NYC to DC markets.

BTW, USAir will outfit their already confortable (IMHO) shuttle 727s with  
First Class legroom, but keep the 3-3 seating. Figure they are taking 4 or  
5 rows of seats out and increasing the spacing between rows.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke)
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Keywords: n
Organization: Unify Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:25:08 GMT

pacific@polari.online.com wrote:
>     The results of the poll concerning the best international air
>carrier are in and here are the findings:
>
>
>                        Singapore Airlines       3
>                        British Airways          2
>                        Thai                     2
>                        Lan Chile                1
>                        Lufthansa                1
>                        KLM                      1
>                        Quantas                  1
>
>	thanks to all 3
>               

I missed the original call for votes.  My vote goes to Virgin - those
individual TV screens make the whole flight a lot easier!

Singapore is the airline that showed us the same movies going both ways
(London <-> Singapore).  Apparently, we stayed "the wrong length of
time" (only 5 days) and fouled up their careful scheduling; I am still
puzzled why this was our fault (or so we were made to feel by the cabin
staff) since every other airline in creation has solved the problem by
showing different movies in each direction.  My wife cannot understand
why everyone goes on about how great they are as both of our flights
were characterized by surly, incompetent service.

--
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Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA                   I speak only for Me, Inc.
From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: A Question about Southwest Airlines
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:26:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul23.004009.12709@cis.ohio-state.edu> romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>A while ago I had a question about Southwest serving food on flights. The 
>answer was 'no', but does this apply for a 6-7 hour flight to Los Angeles
>also. This is kind of ridicious anyway since the airlines are deregulated
>and are in competition -don't you think??	

That's right.  Southwest does not serve food.  They target families, and attract
then with low prices.  Case at point:  CMH to LAX.  Only three airlines fly
this route direct: USAir (US), America West (HP), and Southwest (WN).
WN's lowest one-way fare is $135, HP's is $199, and US's is $270.
The difference in price between WN and the next cheapest (HP) is $64.
If food was the only consideration here, I would take WN and pack some food
(certainly better than airline food) spending less than $64.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: jaap@cs.ruu.nl (Jaap Romers)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:43:39 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Jul23.100132.8826@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> charles@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Charles Loader) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.043150.19572@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>>In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes:
>>>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>>>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>>>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>>>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>>The 767  is one of  the safest  airplanes  in the  sky.   True,  it is
>>smaller than a 747, but it is still a rather large  plane.  It has two
>>aisles, and a 2-3-2 configuration on most airlines.  I would not worry
>>about it's having only two  engines.  The FAA has strict certification
>>rules which the 767 has passed.  Among other things, the airplane must
>>be able to complete  rotation and take off  with  one engine out.  
>>
>
>I would prefer more that two engines!  I have heard of cases where the
>plane has returned to departure point due to the loss of an engine.  I
>doubt if the first plane that has two engines fail will make back --
>still aircraft float for a long time don't they?
>

There are so many 767 flights a day crossing the Atlantic, so nothing to
worry about.

When the B767 came in to service, there were special rules and routes
for crossing the Atlantic. But it is proven that the 767 is reliable,
so these special rules are not valid anymore. They are free to fly any
route, like the B747.

Maybe there is some expert who can tell more about it.

jaap
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: amehta@hubcap.clemson.edu (mehta apurva)
Subject: info needed on air india
Reply-To: amehta@hubcap.UUCP (mehta apurva)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:34:02 GMT

dear friends,
i require some info on air india (on the quality of service, food, timeliness,
etc.) Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:06:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213531.26670@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.193416.27423@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>>
>>what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
>>about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
>Look, folks.  The airlines have been squirming about frequent flyer
>miles for some time now; the cost of maintaining these programs is
>something I'm sure they'd rather do without.  As carriers merge or
>go out of business, do you really think FF programs are going to
>survive?  Why does an airline need a FF program if it has only a few
>competitors?
>

in (partial) response to my own question, i read in yesterday's
usa today that the 2 airlines are working on the mileage issue.
the indication is that the program is not going away but there's
no guarantee for that!

>end the AAdvantage program at any time?  American tells you up front
>that it has the option to terminate the program with a measly six
>months' notice.  Moral: accumulate those miles if you want, but don't

if i'm not mistaken, both us air and northwest have the option to not even
provide any notice at all.
From: jason@jazz.cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:16:10 GMT
	<1992Jul25.112226.2889@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: HP-Colorado Networks Division

In article <1992Jul25.112226.2889@athena.mit.edu> davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:

   > My lady girlfriend and I will fly to New York (JFK) next October.
   > We would like to know the available means of transport to Manhattan 
   > from JFK Airport and respective costs.

There is bus service from JFK to the New York Port Authority bus terminal
with stops at Grand Central and a few hotels along the way.  The fare was
$8.00 per-person one-way last time I looked, but may have gone up by 0.50 or
1.00 since them. Cab fare will run $25-$30. With three people the cab is a
winner; with two people, it's a tie (you still have to get where you're
going from the PA...)

Avoid the subway ride from JFK to NYC; the famous "Train To The Plane"
express service was killed a few years ago, and the local service from that
end of the line will take forever to get downtown.

Unless you're sure you know what you're doing, never get in a cap that isn't
yellow with a meter inside and a medallion (metal plaque) attached to the
hood. From JFK to Manhattan, pay the meter price plus tip; no additional
charges (except the night surcharge and mongo-baggage-surcharge, outlined in
the fare information glued to the back of the front seat) will be levied.

Jazz

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:02:04 GMT

In article <BrwzCF.5Ey@world.std.com>, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell)
comes to a conclusion twenty years to late:

|>I think it is all these "know-it-all psychologists" who claim that correcting
|>a child will do permanent emotional damage to the child. Like other theories,
|>I bet in fifteen years we will discover that they were wrong and we will have
|>millions of adult brats walking around with even bigger problems.

Given the general attitude of various posters to this group in this time and
remembering that there was such a time as the '60s, the situation You've 
described is already at hand. However, brats come in all sizes, all ages and
all denominations.

|>73s Eric, WB1HBU  eac@world.std.com

Btw., complaining about the rotten younger generation, it's dissipation and
unruliness and whatnot, has been a weary old shtick even in old Babylonia 
and will only lead to Your classification as an old calcified fossilby said
generation. With some justification, I might add.

Peeve: Fossils who didn't notice their calcification

       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
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From: kurrer@glasgow.ks.uiuc.edu (Christian Kurrer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Consolidator tix on AA
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:18:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <9207221653.aa23802@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>  
davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
> 
> 
> I don't know if anyone noticed the little insert in AA's FF magazine
> that said that as of November, unpublished fares will no longer be
> able to get FF miles!
> 
> Do other airlines have this policy?
> 
Yes, My brother got a cheap ticket on British Airways, and it did not  
qualify for their frequent flyer program either. 

Christian Kurrer
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: info needed on air india
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:06:32 GMT

amehta@hubcap.clemson.edu (mehta apurva) writes:

>dear friends,
>i require some info on air india (on the quality of service, food, timeliness,
>etc.) Thanks.


I have very little personal information on Air India -- but two recent
things stand out.  (1) According to someone in this group, it was voted
one of the worst airlines in the world and (2) Because of Air India's
arriving late the first group of Indian athletes arrived late in
Barcelona for the Olympics.  Not encouraging!!

However, after I was bumped off a Singapore Airlines flight from
Singapore to Delhi last year and re-routed to Bombay, I travelled
on Air India from Bombay to Delhi and had no complaints at all.
The fact that it was four o'clock in the morning, that I was
fairly disgruntled about all the previous events on the "world's
best airline", and that the plane was a virtually empty 747 heading
for London ultimately -- probably helped!  I have no idea if the
flight was on time, as I was so confused by that point I wasn't
what time it was supposed to arrive; the food was tea and cookies
(not overly thrilling) and everyone was very friendly.  I REALLY
enjoyed their in-flight magazine!!

Cheers!

Anne
From: gessner@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Gessner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: TACA airlines?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:13:00 GMT
Organization: Hughes STX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


I am looking for a tour company that has packages to Belize. Does TACA (?)
operate between there and the states. Any ideas?

Thanks!
Susan
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TWA
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:16 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Alec D. Plotkin <185422285@ucis.vill.edu> writes:

	What condition is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug.

I believe they will be flying in August, but I don't think anyone knows
for sure.  What I do strongly believe is that if a major change occurs
to their status, it won't be one like Pan Am or Brannif; that is, if
something happesns, it will probably be a takeover of operations, or
somone purchasing their routes.  In any case, I think a trip in August
will almost certainly work out for you.

	for a trip from Philadelphia to Paris thru New York on the
	NY-Paris stretch what plane will most likely be used.

JFK-CDG TWA flies L-1011, 747, and 767 aircraft.  Call 1-800-221-2000
with the flight number and day, and the agent will tell you for sure.

In late May, I flew 747-131 both ways (the late flight out of JFK --
7:30pm? -- and the late flight out of CDG -- 2pm).

/jordan
From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED: Courier assignments
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:20:58 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Univ. of Chicago

I'm interested in serving as a courier
 (for free or extremely nominal airfare) for
reputable private individuals or companies
to any European destination on weekends,
unless I'm given substantial notice.  If you are 
interested and wish to e-mail me, we can
discuss terms, etc.  Thanks.

susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ihateuw@u.washington.edu (David Wong)
Subject: Re: Long Distance Phone and FF Miles (was Looking for an AT&T)
Keywords: Why bother?
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:19:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.174058.6015@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A.  
Morgan) writes:
> 
> >>How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I  
cannot
> >>imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
> >>know?
> 
> In article <2A7824E6.23776@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David A.  
Andersen) writes:
> >I know this is slightly unrelated, but AAdvantage offers 5 miles for
> >every $1 on MCI.
> 
> Northwest WorldPerks offers the same deal from MCI (now if USAir
> offered the deal from AT&T!).
> -- 
> 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
>                          Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR  
NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
>                          Space Telescope Science Institute
>                          Baltimore, MD   21218

	But is it actually worth anything to your frequent flier account to  
bother with a phone company?  I mean, say you spend $100 a month on your phone  
bill.  If that works out to 500 miles a month, you still have to spend that  
amount monthly for three and a half years to get a free ticket!  I suppose if  
you find it worth it to rack up a four-thousand dollar phone bill to get a  
"free" ticket, but I've had other hassles anyway.  I changed to MCI just to get  
2,000 bonus miles offered by Northwest earlier this year, which would of been  
enough to give me a ticket to the West Indies.  They didn't credit me the miles  
in time, saying I had to be an MCI customer for a certain number of billing  
cycles or something.  This meant my trip to the West Indies was off, and even  
more ironically I received a coupon with my monthly newsletter encouraging me  
to "cash in my miles" and take a companion along absolutely free.  Considering  
I switched at the beginning of the the year and hoped to be travelling a week  
or two ago, you can tell what I think of Northwest and MCI.
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From: clu@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Plane ticket Houston to Detroit for Sale
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:11:17 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: news@jade.tufts.edu

Cheap Air Plane Ticket for Sale
One way from Houston to Detroit via Memphis on Northwest Airline, August 1,
1992.  Price: $70 negotiable.  Please call 713-743-8220 daytime or send
e-mail to tao@curly.tcs.uh.edu (please do not reply to this account, thanks).
From: nicklaus@lonetree.lonetree.physics.wisc.edu (Dennis J. Nicklaus)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. Wisconsin High Energy Physics


 leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
[regarding getting max miles on FF Visa card hint]
>   When you go out to dinner with your friends, collect
>   the money from them for the check and pay it with your Visa.  Etc. Etc.o
Chapter 1 in "How to Annoy Friends and Be a Pain in the Butt"
Maybe if you go out with each friend only once.
It's ok to do this occasionally if you truly find yourself
short of cash at the restaurant.  But to do this purposely
and habitually is really a pain in the ass (speaking as someone
who has gone out with people who always seem to want to do this).
Suppose I want to do it too?  Suppose everybody in the 10-person-dinner-party
wants to use their VISA card just to get the miles?
(Of course if you say, "I'll use my VISA and I'll pay the tip, that's a diff. matter")
Dennis
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: info requested on Garuda Indonesia Airlines
From: sulistio@futon.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:12:20 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Jul23.193812.13011@tera.com> erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg) writes:
>In article <92204.105657JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu> JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>I'm posting this for a friend who is leaving this coming weekend
>>for a vacation which will take her on Garuda Indonesia Airlines.
>>She has found NO information out about the airlines and quite
>>frankly is skeptical about them.  Does anyone out there have any
>>comments, conerns or other information that might make her
>>vacation a little less stressful??????  Thanks.

Garuda Indonesia is goverment owned airline.  It has a sister airline, called
Merpati Airline, to help Garuda handle Domestic routes.  Garuda is the biggest
airline in Indonesia (since it's owned by the govt).  It has a lot of jets
especially Fokker-28.  Years ago, Garuda service was bad, but now it looks
better.  Sometimes you will wound up flying under Merpati Airlines, since
they shared the planes.  
Food, on domestic flight will consists of snacks, such as
lemper (sticky rice with meat inside), crocket (mashed potatoes with some
vegetables inside, fried), etc.  Drink will probably consists of tea, or coffee.
I never use Garuda for international flight.
There are other domestic airlines, such as Sempati Airlines.  It offer a
competitive price with Garuda, and provide a better service.  But I haven't
take this airline yet.
Bouraq is another airline, they use very old plane, DC-3, or something.  I
heard that their service is better, sometimes they give you meal, such as
Indonesian fried-rice.

Smoking is allowed on the plane, and many Indonesians men are smoker (not me
though)


Hope it helps.
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From: yau@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (INVINOVERITAS)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: FOR SALE: 2 One-Way SFO-MSP-PHL on 08/31/92
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:35:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For SALE:

Two One-way ticket for sale from San Francisco to Philadelphia via
Minneapolis/St. Paul on 08/31/92, departing in the afternoon.  They can be
use as one-way tickets to St. Paul if you do not check in your luggage.

Price: $100 each



Tao
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: gessner@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Gessner)
Subject: Dominicana Airlines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Hughes STX
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:07:00 GMT


Any information on Dominicana airlines would be appreciated. I have been warned 
it has 3rd world service. I am debating to take them or go with American to the
Dominican Republic. 

Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bresler@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leo Bresler)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Summary: Tu-154, IL-86 cabins
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:37:01 GMT

Regarding cabin division on Russian Tu-154 and IL-86, on which I took
international treeps, I can confirm that at least ones I've seen were divided
on classes. I can not say anything about levels of service in these classes,
since I had to be in Economy :-(.
				Leo.
============================================================================
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2145 N. Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL  60208, USA.     Phone (708) 467-1754
From: wb@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Bill Beblo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: FF magazines/newsletters
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:11:37 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ

I found a flyer in a recent mailing from Continental OnePass which
offered two free issues of a magazine called InsideFlyer.  It is published
out of Colorado Springs and appears to have no relation to Continental.
All you have to do is call their toll-free number (800-333-5937) and
request your two free issues.  They don't ask for any payment in advance
or any credit card information.  They list the regular subscription price
as $33 a year for 12 issues.

When calling, be aware that they are in Colorado Springs and their offices
open at 9:00AM MDT.

Bill Beblo