HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: SoundTool's Bad Quality
Keywords: Sound
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:38:52 GMT

There are a couple of reasons why soundtool doens't sound
fantastic:

1.  The internal speaker is a whopping ~30 cm diameter.  It might
do alright for medium frequencies, but it isn't going to pound you
with bass.

2.  The default sampling rate is 8 KHz.  Nyquist's criterion
implies that sounds above 4 KHz will be distorted by aliasing, a
condition of nonlinear effects of mixing of the sampling
freqency with the input frequency.  Most sampling systemss use an
analog filter at the input that band-limits the input to freqencies
to less than 1/2 the sampling freqency rate.  I don't have a Sun
schematic diagram, but an input filter seems likely.  It would be
nice if the filter were switchable or adjustable.

3.  The CODEC (coder-decoder) chip that does sampling and play-back
is telephone grade.  The sampling is eight bit mu-law weighting.
This is good for voice reproduction, but not great for music.

4.  Watch that impdedance matching is correct between CD player and
the Sun.  The IPC is line-level input.  If you are using the
headphone output of a portable tape machine or CD, that device
expects a fairly low impedance output.  Try connecting a 47 ohm
resistor across the output leads of the headphone jack to provide a
proper termination.  This is similar to requiring the termination
resistor on an ethernet cable (a very loose similarity, but a
convenient metaphor).

5.  Be careful to not overload the Sun input.  With only 8 bits of
dynamic range, the input saturates very quickly as input level
increases.  The clipped signal creates very unpleasant sounding
nonlinear distortion.

6.  Upgrade..  The Saprc II systems are supposed to have near CD
quailty sound. :-)


-- 
Bill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu   (140.220.1.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Is there any good wordprocessing software available on Sparc
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:30:06 GMT

In article <chris.714367044@rufus> chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) says:
: 
: Whatever you do, avoid Wordperfect like the plague. I WON a copy (yes,
: free) completely by accident and even after that am completely
: unimpressed with it. Unless of course you really didn't want a wysiwyg
: and enjoy using PCs (because that's exactly what it's like)

Let me guess...you got WP 5.0 right?  I too was appalled by it.  But,
based on a few recommendations we got an upgrade to WP5.1 (released
just recently).  I haven't tested it fully but it bears almost no
similarity to the 5.0 version.  That silly X wrapper around a terminal
interface is gone and it now has REAL wysiwyg like IslandWrite or
Frame.  The interface is Motif which may bother some.

As I said, I haven't really used it enough to make recommendations for
or against it...but I can certainly say that opinions based on version
5.0 are no longer applicable.  It has a COMPLETELY different interface
(at least, it does under X).
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: cegrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Dr Garry Willgoose: INTERNET cegrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au)
Subject: Simple CPM for teaching
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:29:01 GMT

Does anyone know of a simple and easy to use critical path package for 
SUN Sparcs. I need something for a course that I'm teaching that doesn't
require hours of background before a naive user (read 1st time student) can 
use it. At the crudest level it could just read a file of tasks, times and 
precendences and output a Gandtt chart or something ppropriate.

Dr Garry Willgoose
Dept of Civil Engineering and Suveying
University of Newcastle
Australia
cegrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: Is there any good wordprocessing software a
From: earrond@calstatela.edu (Ellis Arrondo)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:22:50 PDT
Reply-To: earrond@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles


	Why not just get WordPerfect for Unix, we have it here at school.

	The dominant package on our Sparcs though is FrameMaker. It's basically a desktop publisher, but is superior to WordPerfect for writing technical papers, and just superior overall.
From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62679)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Any body know of a decent database for OW3
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:15:51 GMT
Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

I'm looking for a decent, simple database program for use in OW3.  You
know, basic text entry by fields, sorting and simple report output.

please reply by e-mail.  ftp sites would be preferable to mailed
source.

Thanks in advance, Chris

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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 10:57:39 EST
From: Reginald Reed <RREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: GDS-II Electromask software avail?

One of my users needs a software tool that allows him to manipulate or
convert data into the GDS-II format.  GDS-II is used to create electromasks
by an Electron beam machine.

His data consists of a 512x512x8 bit grayscale image.  He would like an
electromask of this image, with each pixel in the 512x512 image having
sub-pixels made up of a specific number and pattern of hexagons (depending
on the grayscale values).  In order to do this, all of the vendors he has
contacted want data in the GDS-II format.

Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction?  Please send email
because don't read this newsgroup.

PS - The software is for a Sun 4 and I can handle CD-ROM and up to 150M
     1/4 inch tape.
--
Reginald Reed
rreed@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
From: kss8l@roxanne.bme.Virginia.EDU.noname (Kevin S. Spetz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: SUNVISION 1.0 under OpenWindows 3.0
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: kss8l@roxanne.bme.Virginia.EDU.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 714386772@imlab1, esimon@wd.estec.nl (Erik Simonsen) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.140233.20739@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> cnbs63@uk.ac.strath.ccsun ("J.T.Bennett", Electronic Engineering) writes:
>
>>I have recently upgraded our IPC from OW 2.0 to OW 3.0 so that I might run SunPHIGS 2.0. However, someone is still using SUNVISION 1.0 which ran under OW 2.0. Now, when he runs any of the SUNVISION software, the message :
>
>>Waiting for database program to start 
>
>>is printed continously and nothing else happens. Does anyone have a clue on how to rectify this problem - I can possibly get hold of SUNVISION 1.2 if it will help.
>
>>Thank you for your attention !
>
>>Jeremy Bennett
>--------------------
>I have been facing the same problem and has contacted SUN support in that 
>regard. They responded that SunVision 1.0 doesn't run under OpenWindows 3.0 and
>that an update to version 1.2 is needed. That what we are going to do.
>
>Many SunVision users out there in net-land? Time for a news group?

Well, from my experience the above is only mostly true.  Sunvision 1.0 really
only needs the OpenWindows 2.0 libraries to run so if you set your environment
variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the 2.0 libs instead of the 3.0 libs you
are fine.  You should be able to get rid of the rest of 2.0 and just keep the
libs around.

As for the error you are experiencing, that is a different matter.  According
to Sun, SunVision 1.1 (and likely 1.0) will fail to start up the database
if the machine name is longer than 20 characters (which it normally is when
consider the whole name, i.e. name.whatever.whatever.etc).  It seems they hard
coded the name string and it only has room for 20 characters.  I had a working
copy of both 1.0 and 1.1 which broke in this manner after an upgrade.  Why the
upgrade made SunVision start using the whole name and having this problem I 
don't know.  It is fixed in 1.2 as are many of the other bugs.


---
Kevin Spetz
kss8l@mtaac.bme.Virginia.EDU
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.apps:1666 comp.sys.sun.hardware:3974
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: How utilize multi proc's in galaxy MP670???
Date: 20 Aug 1992 16:38:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Aug20.030523.25228@news.Hawaii.Edu> dan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Dan Sternlicht) writes:
>I have thought of merely spawning several processes in the program
>and hoping that the scheduler allocates them to the separate processors,
>but maybe I'm dreaming.

That's the way to do it.  Currently, SunOS doesn't provide any mechanism
for manipulating physical processors directly.  A process can only run on
one processor at a time (there's a field in the proc structure that
contains the current CPU id), so you have to use multiple processes if you
want any chance of simultaneous execution.  You can't guarantee that all
your processes will run simultaneously, since they're competing for the
processors with all the other processes on the system.

On Multics there are commands that can be used to limit a process to a
given set of processors, or take some processors out of general use (but a
process that attaches to them explicitly can still use them -- this is used
for running diagnostics on a specific processor).  Such commands could be
used to partition a system into user and daemon processors.


-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: Re: mailtool reading .forward, why?
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 08:00:01 GMT

In article 11118@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg) writes:
>I noticed that mailtool (under OW v2 and OW v3) opens and reads the
>$HOME/.forward file, what does it do with this information?
>
>Anyone who can shed some light on this matter?
>-- 
>Sincerely,                                  berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
>           Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless).    berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de
>
>"Good moaning!"


I think the mailtool has at least to read the .forward file to check
wether your vacation-program is enabled or not. The vacation-program
automatically sends anyone a short message ( "I am on vacation..." etc.)
who sends you a mail while it is enabled. Try "man vacation" if you want
more information about this.

Michael




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David R. Linn)
Subject: OW3 Mailtool behavior
Summary: nokeep and nohold seem to be ignored
Keywords: OpenWindows 3.0 Mailtool .mailrc
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:45:19 GMT

I am having problems with the OW3 mailtool.  Specifically, it seems
to be ignoring the "set nokeep" and "set nohold" lines in my .mailrc
file so I

1) end up with a bunch of zero-length mail files after I've processed
the messages they used to hold, and

2) I must explicitly move message to +mbox or they stay in the inbox.

Does anyone else have this problem?

	 David
-- 
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Disclaimer: I speak only for myself	| Phone: [+1] 615-343-6164
      "Some do, some don't and that's the way of the world."
From: mkb@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Blackwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: CAE solutions on Sun platform
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:07:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug12.190757.178962
Reply-To: mkb@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU


What are the options for electrical design packages on the Sun (under
either OpenWindows 3.0 or X11R5)? Specifically schematic capture and
PCB layout. We are currently evaluating ViewLogic bundled with Harris
SciCards. We're only middling enthused about ViewLogic (but haven't
had a chance to play with the new PowerView yet). There seems to be
dozens of cheap packages for DOS machines out there - what's available
for Suns? Any insights or pointers greatly appreciated.

		Mike Blackwell		mkb@cs.cmu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.apps:1669 comp.periphs.printers:2432
From: ckaul@cs.sandia.gov (Clint Kaul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: /etc/printcap entry for HP 7475A plotter
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:30:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Aug20.233016.19988
Distribution: na
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM
Originator: ckaul@squirrel.cs.sandia.gov

I was hoping someone has already tackled this problem.  I am trying to
attach an HP pen plotter (specifically, a ColorPro Graphics Plotter)
to a Sun workstation.  If anyone has an /etc/printcap entry for such
a beast, please Email me a copy.

Thanks,

Clint Kaul				Work:  505-845-7557
Sandia National Labs, Div. 1421		Fax:   505-845-7442
PO Box 5800
Albuquerque, NM  87185			Email: ckaul@cs.sandia.gov
-- 
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Sandia National Labs, Div. 1421		Fax:   505-845-7442
PO Box 5800
Albuquerque, NM  87185			Email: ckaul@cs.sandia.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: amills@.cern.ch (Adrian Mills)
Subject: Tape tools
Keywords: TAPE
Reply-To: amills@.cern.ch
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:24:07 GMT

I need a utility which will read tapes regardless of 
the format of the data. And yes I know theres OD and
dd but they don't do everything I need.

Basically I need the output to be given in hex, oct and dec,
and it should show end of blocks, size of blocks etc etc.

Any idea  if there is one and where I can pick it up?

Please mail me at amills@cernvm.cern.ch

Cheers,

Adrian Mills
From: ctan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Chee Weei)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Upgrade costs for Sol2 & C++ 3 ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:00:49 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: National University of Singapore

Does anyone have price information concerning the cost of upgrading
from 4.1.1 to Solaris 2 or 2.1 (when available) ?  Likewise for upgrading
Sun C++2.1 (SunOS 4.x) to Sun C++ 3.0 (for Sol 2). The price for
upgrading that we have been quoted is close to US$2000.

Also, if anyone has address or phone info for SunExpress or SunPro, I'd
appreciate it if you could pass it along.  Thanks

CW
From: ctan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Chee Weei)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: strange C++ 3.0 warnings ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:03:19 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: National University of Singapore


The Sun C++ 3.0 beta compiler seems to be issuing some warning messages 
that were not present with +w in 2.1.  For example, types in func arguments
declared in the form "class X *" gets a "dubious tag declaration: struct X"
warning. As a result, the call of the function gets an 
"argument is incompatible with prototype:arg #n" warning.
Another strange behaviour of cfront is with constant variables.
For eg. "const short x = -1" gets translated to a "static short x = 65535"
and each assignment to x gets replaced with 65535. This may be some
optimisation by cfront but as a result, an "initializer does not fit:65535"
warning is issued. This is obvious since short is signed and can't
store 65535 but the underlying ansi c compiler converts it to a value
equivalent to -1. It's quite a roundabout way of doing things but the
resulting warnings, is rather irritating, especially if it is a result
of things cfront does rather than the user.  Does anyone have any explanation
of these behaviour or any information to add on whether this has been
fixed ot switches to set? Thanks.

CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: hsingh@Turing.chem.uh.edu (Harpreet Singh)
Subject: Re: Is there any good wordprocessing software available on Sparc
Organization: Dept. of Chemistry
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.195640.24793@cis.ohio-state.edu> cush@glockenspiel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Cush) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.191151.18015@menudo.uh.edu> hsingh@Turing.chem.uh.edu (Harpreet Singh) writes:
>>
>>As the title says, I want a wordprocessing similar to 
>>MS-word, MacWrite etc on the sun running openwindows
>>
>
>Yes, I would recommend Framemaker.  It is true what you see is what you get 
>(WYSIWYG).    You can contact Devra Learner at 408-428-6106.
Stuff deleted
>-- Mike
>        mcush@colsun.central.sun.com
>	cush@cis.ohio-state.edu
	Is there any public domain software which does the same thing

Harpreet
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From: little@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Littlejohn Tim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Alternatives to PCNFS?
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:13:31 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Help!  What alternatives are there to PCNFS for simple file
sharing between the Sun and a PC?  Does anyone have experience
with other products and are there any PD/Shareware products
out there?

Thanks for your assistance,

Tim


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully)
Subject: Sun, OpenWindows, Questions, comments and etc.
Originator: cptully@helix
Keywords: OpenWindows, SunOS
 
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:25:18 GMT

Hi, I'm new to this group, but I doubt that these questions are in the FAQ, so
here goes (If they are in the FAQ, don't flame me, just tell me where to get
it):

1) First I am using SunOS 4.1.1 and OW 3.0 on a SparcStation 2.

2) Right now, I am stuck with rn for reading, and replying to news (because
   my sysop is not the least bit interested in supporting Internet use).  Is
   there a better news reader for this environment, that I can install and
   use without root priviledges?  Mostly, I want to be able to select a
   newsgroup from a list (rather than typing "g news.group"), and be able to
   scan the subjet lines in a list without having to display the whole article.

3) I have found that the filemanager craps out if I try to change directories
   too many times.  If I restart and try again, it does fine (until I have
   changed dir's too many times again).  It does not consistantly crap out
   after say changing dirs 10 times.  Has anyone else seen this?  If so,
   how do I fix it? Or, is it a quirk of my system?

4) Finally, MOST of the messages in this group seem to be related to major
   problems with SunOS and OW.  Users trading fixes is great, but does all
   of this feedback ever get to Sun?  I know, that I have nothing but 
   TROUBLE when I tried to call Sun's Tech support line (they only wanted
   to talk to my system maintance contact!), so I'm stuck with little or 
   no support.  I have had contact with Sun employees who were a pleasure
   to deal with through the net, but they don't work in OW support or
   development.  What all of this is leading up to is:  Is there an e-mail
   address at Sun that we can send comments to, regarding problems with
   their products?

PLEASE reply by mail to:

cptully@med.unc.edu

If I get more than two requests for this info, I will post to the net in a few
days, rather than send out multiple copies.


Thanks in advance
Chris Tully
From: adam@muppet.bt.co.uk (Adam B83 G38)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: SoundTool's Bad Quality
Keywords: Sound
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: adam@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Hi!

I'm running a SPARCstation IPX with SUNOS 4.1.2

My question concerns soundtool.

Why is the reproduction so awful ? I connected a CD played to the sound input
port, sampled a couple of my favourite tracks with soundtool and saved them
on disk. No problems.

However, when played back via soundtool they sound dreadful - like a an old fashioned 
transistor radio.

It would be reallly nice to have decent quality sound on disk.


I wonder if any of you SUN guru's can tell me why the repro is so bad ?

It occurs to me that it is either:

1. The sample rate is too slow, although 8000 times a second sounds a lot to me.
   (I rebuilt soundtool with the #define governing the sample rate set to 25,000 
    but it made no difference)

2. If the values are stored as integers (8 bit bytes), then there only 256
   possibilities, for the whole frequency range in any case.

Anyway, if anyone has an explanation, solution, or some alternative software
that will perform better please let me know.


Cheers - Adam.

Adam Lipscombe. BT Research Labs, Martlesham Heath, Suffolk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: crm182c@bmers245.uucp (Hing-Fai Lee)
Subject: No fish from realxfishdb
Keywords: realxfishdb, fish_props
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:09:46 GMT

I was just moved to OW3 from OW2. Under $OPENWINHOME/demo there
is a program called realxfishdb. I ran realxfishdb with command
line options and also by setting them from fish_props, however
the only thing I got was the aquarium background with NO fish
at all. Can someone tell me what is wrong? Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Subject: XGL 2.0 Documentation
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:40:09 GMT


We've just received the CD for XGL 2.0 but it has no documentation.  I
did a cursory search in AnswerBook but, couldn't find anything useful.
Do I need to make some calls to SunSoft?



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