HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: ST Minix 1.6.16
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:39:06 GMT

Help???
Has anybody successfully built this version? And is using it? If so, could you
explain what you did different from the 1.6.16 instructions to build a bootable
kernel. I have tried following the directions exactly but only end up with a
black screen and a white cursor and no keyboard response.


Bob Malay

Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:14618 misc.forsale.computers:35707
From: robert@informix.com (Robert Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: For Sale: ATARI STe, plus accessories
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:03:20 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu (gary anderson) writes:


>I've got an Atari STe with an SC1435 monitor, with an extra
>mouse, which I will sell for $550 (split shipping costs
>between us).

>Also:  DeskCart (cartridge, software, box and docs):  $30
>       
>       VideoKey (box and docs):  $30

>       StereoTek 3-d glasses (complete with cartridge, extra
>		software, and a 3-d 'Breakout' game;  compatible
>		with Cyber-Cad):  $70

>I'll pay the shipping on the last three items listed;  and I'll be glad 
>to answer any questions I can about any of the above.

	I may be interested in the Videokey and/or the glasses; I'd like to
discuss further, but I'm going to be away from the office for a week.  If
by 10/12 you still haven't sold either of these items, please let me
know that they're still available.

Thanks,
Robert Coleman

Home: (510) 790-3969
Work: (415) 926-6321
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Spectre-GCR v3.0/System
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

What's the difference between system 6.0.4 and 6.0.5?  And, if any, what's
the advantage?!
 
Also, when I call up 'Get Information' from the file menu, a lot of the text
seems to overlap - making it very difficult to read.  (And I'd rather keep th
font size above 10 point!)  
 
And, where can I get a (PD) Epson (FX/MX/LX compat') for the mac'.  
 
Thanks for any help! (Nice gadget!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Toad Computers
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.024540.8931@umbc3.umbc.edu> chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) writes:
>Oh well, that's nothing new...
>
>Anyway, I talked to Toad Computers and Jennifer said that many people had
>called concerned about his order.  The fact, however, is that it was
>shipped about a week ago, and she is sending an apology letter to Mr. Paul.
>
>So, I guess the Internet must be some powerful force!

I'd love to know just how many "many people" is.

Terribly amusing!  I can just imagine the consternation at Toad.  They
have a staff meeting:

"So, how many calls about Mr. Paul did we get today?"

"Six.  Stupid computer network!"

This is a much nicer touch of "real world meets the Internet" than the
last one I recall (One Dr. Fabrikant of Concordia University,
Montreal, sent out a whole REAM of material accusing his department of
academic fraud.  It wound up posted in one of the Usenet newsgroups.
The next day, there were news reports of a hostage taking at
Concordia; it turns out he brought in a gun, and wound up shooting
several people.  There were 3 deaths, I believe.  Quite disturbing, to
say the least.  Pretty irrelevent to this thread, fortunately.)

Heading to a nicer note: I guess this means that people don't need to
keep harassing Toad Computers :-).

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Sep30.013510.13771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, schram@spot.Colorado.EDU (Steve Schram) writes:
>How about we start a new group for the falcon?  I believe it more than
>deserves its own group.  How 'bout it?

Comp.sys.atari.falcon

Sounds like a great idea, half of the conversation in this base is Falcon
related, and for people like myself who are getting sick of because they are
unlikely to ever own one/want one/have access to one (or just are sick of it)
it'd keep them happy!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Re: New DeskJet driver for GCR now available
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.065046.25537@newstand.syr.edu>  
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
> In article <BvB8G6.420@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William  
Magro) writes:
> >I just received mail from Ollie Arnberg, author of a freeware printer  
> >driver for the Macintosh.  He has updated the driver to version 3.0b0.  
> >This beta version is much improved over version 2.1.  It adds landscape  
> >printing and has several internal improvements to make printing better.   
A  
> >100K .hqx file is available directly from the author.  Send a request  
to:
> >hpdj-bugs@hut.fi
> >I can send you his mail announcing the new features.  Just ask.
> >--Bill Magro
> 
> Bill, any idea how this driver compares to other Mac drivers
> in the area of speed?  I use JetLink Express by GDT and have
> been very happy with it, except for its speed when used with
> Spectre.  I had occassion to use it on a true-Mac once when my
> ST was being repaired and was amazed at how much faster the
> printing was...
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu

Printing speed was quite slow in the previous version.  I did some 
experimentation and found two bottlenecks in the code.  One was buffer
size.  The page is 'banded' out to the printer, and the larger the buffer
that holds a band, the shorter the print time, as the page needs to be
drawn (and clipped) into each band.  Bigger bands=less redraws=faster
printouts.  The second bottleneck was in the 'dirty-line' detection
code.  A band is broken down into several 'passes' of the print head.
If a 'pass' has no black pixels, you can speed up printing by detecting
this and giving a line feed instead of printing thousands of white pixels.

The first concern is addressed in the new version:  the buffer size is
user selectable.  The second _may_ be dealt with.  I send my suggestion
for dirty line detection code to the authors about six months ago.

My father stole my deskjet, so I haven't been able to time the new
driver yet.

I'll happily send you the .hqx file so you can try it out.  Just ask.

--Bill
From: v5914ane@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari 520st
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For Sale :

Atari 520st
SF354 Disk Drive
Atari Color Monitor w/problem (no red)
epson lx-80 printer
some atari stuff on 20 disks.

All for the low price of $200.00

reply to this account.

SIG@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
V5914ANE@UBVMS.BUFFALO.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: holger@zelator.in-berlin.de (Holger Lesch)
Subject: Spectre 3.0 and 68020 ?
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:11:25 GMT

Hi there...

I tried a friends spectre GCR 3.0 with my 68020/68882 Board (a
PAK68/2) and found out, that it doesn't work... it starts up and tells
me, that I'm wellcome... and thats it. We tried it both from harddisk
and from floppy with system 6.04, 6.05 and 6.07 and also with the
cache enabled and disabled.. but it was all the same. Does anybody
know why this happens or what to do against ? May this problem be
solved with spectre 3.1 ? Any hints are wellcome !

P.S.: the spectre does not completely hang, it is still possible to
enter the configuration-page with shift-help...

Holger
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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Rendering CAD3D/Cyber scenes?
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:21:35 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Oct3.135607.1@seb.se> s19184@seb.se (Michael Evans) writes:
>Lexicor's Prism Render looked good in the adverts and ths STart preview
>but when I rang Rio Computing last December, they said that Prism Render
>was not available (despite the ad's) and they had no release date.
>
>Is Prism Render now available? Experiences? Who do I contact?
>
>Any other suggestions?

I would not recommend dealing with RIO when you want to buy Lexicor Software.
To put it lightly, RIO has done some bad things that Lexicor didn't like.
I don't think RIO can sell Lexicor Software any more.

Contact Lexicor directly or a good dealer.  Lexicor's number is 415-453-0271
and their fax number is 415-453-0533.  They're in Northern California.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Using the ST with an Alesis SR16 drum machine
From: bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:18:17 GMT
Organization: SPSS, Inc.

In article <hjv.717900042@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
> lombardo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Marc Lombardo) writes:
> 
> >I just recently bought an alesis sr-16 drum machine, and I was happy to see
> >those two beautiful ports on the back ... MIDI ports.  I am unsure of the
> >software available on the st that I could use with this drum machine.  I 
> >would like to be able to at least store my patterns and songs on the computer,
> >but I would love to be able to do sequencing on the computer (st controls
> >alesis)
> 
> There are various PD/shareware sequencers & drum pattern editors. Try to find
> e.g. EZtrack (from Hybrid Arts). Take a look at a.a.u.e.

You might also consider Tiger Cub from Dr. T's and, if you can find
it, M by Intelligent Music (which is now sold by someone else I
think).

> 
> > and sample playing (alesis controls st).
> 
> I don't think I quite undertstand what you have in mind...

I'll take a shot at this one:-).  I think you mean to be able to have
the drum machine play the ST using samples or the internal sound chip.
I don't know if the SR16 generates MIDI note-on and note-off events -
there was a program on an old _STart_ magazine disk that would display
incoming MIDI data; that would show if the drum box outputs note
messages.  If it does, then you can do what you want (perhaps).

There are at least two (three now perhaps) companies that sell
sampling cartridges and software.  I think they all can play a sample
based on incoming MIDI note messages.  To find these products, you'll
need to look in a store (unlikely here in the US:-) or search the
mail-order houses (especially in Europe).  ST Replay is an example of
such a device.

Note that if the SR16 does not output MIDI note messages (and a lot of
drum machines don't, but I don't know about newer models - I cannot
afford new equipment in general:-), then you SOOL on this one.

Have fun (and I hope I've helped)! - Bob

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From: moon!cyberden!coder@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Video Toaster
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 00:48:42 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

    Just wait till 1993, there will be a new Sci-Fi show call Babylon 5. 
It will using the Toaster for the animations for the show. There are two 
shoots in the new Toaster promo tape of a space ship and the space 
station Babylon 5. The wierd thing is that the new show will be on the 
new Warner network. Something like the Fox network. 

                                        David Yee
                                        San Francisco, CA

P.S. The show sounds alot like the new Star Trek: Deep Space 9, but from 
the info I read on it, it sound very interesting. Each show have it's own 
story that will built together as the whole big story. I also darker than 
the utopia universe than Star Trek.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli)
Subject: Re: GCR troubles
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:47:34 GMT

  I know it's bad form to follow up your own posts, but here goes:

  I checked my drive using GCRTEST and guess what?  It can't seem to format,
read, or write to side 1 on the 9 and 8 sector tracks.  But ONLY side one,
and ONLY the 9 and 8 sector tracks.  Is my drive fuct or does side 1's
head need to be cleaned?  *sigh*

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Re: Changes to atari.archive.umich.edu
Keywords: bart, atari.archive, a.a, umich atari posse, the pope, minneapolis
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:48:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.125846.25342@cs.ruu.nl> piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) writes:
>
>It would be nice if the symbolic links in Newitems would also be changed
>accordingly.
>-- 
>Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>

Woops.  Like I said in the 0index, I've probably made some errors when I
did this, as it was late and I was cranky.  Please feel free to let
me know of anything that you see that I've missed.

weiner

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: 1.4 meg floppy on an ST?
Summary: A novel approach? 
Keywords: high density, disk, drive, floppy 
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:54:13 EDT

Alright, here's something I don't think I've ever seen
discussed before.  

I'd like to have a high density drive for my ST (i.e. 1.4 meg
floppy).  To tell the truth, I'm not even sure if my ST could
be adapted to work with a high density drive, or whether this
is a possibility only for STes and TTs.  Nevertheless, rather
than trying to do something internal, could I simply buy a
SCSI-high density drive made for the Mac?

Here's my idea.  I've got an ICD Fast hard drive.  Right now
I've got a Cutting Edge 44meg Syquest Removable plugged into
the SCSI port of the ICD drive.  This SCSI drive unit was made
for the Mac world, but works fine in ST mode as well as in
Spectre mode (it works in msdos mode, too...via ATSpeed).
Anyway, what if I were to buy something like the Infinity
Turbo Floppy 1.4 (currently $289 from MacWarehouse) and chain
it off of my Syquest?  I imagine it would work in Spectre
mode, but doesn anybody have any idea if it would work in ST
mode (or msdos mode via ATSpeed)?  If so, I think it would be
a pretty resonable solution for high-density floppies!

--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
PS.  According to the salesperson I spoke to, the drive will
not read 400 or 800K Mac floppies.  But, who knows, maybe it
will read 800K non-Mac floppies...?
From: markjl@acs.bu.edu (Mark Lavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Reply to 2 Falcon Questions
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:12:50 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: markjl@acs.bu.edu

>From: Joachim.Strombergson@ludd.luth.se
>May I ask a bit more about two things:

>The dps buss, is it a 32 bit ninja bus or a crippled SX slave bus?
>The blitter, is it a speeded version of the Ste blitter or an enhanced version?

>Many thanks.

DSP bus - was named SSI in and out, I did not follow up to get explicit
details on it, so I'm not sure what more I can tell you.  Related information,
the DSP port (which will give a clue to the bus) is a DB-26 pin port.

The Blitter is a 16MHz enhanced STE version: there are new functions,
supposedly, but that's all I know.

You're welcome!
-mjl

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: Archive 2150S to Atari ST HOW?
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:53:00 +0000


In article <1992Sep24.043753.29520@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, smclane@nrtpa037.bnr.ca (Steve McLane x1602) writes:
>
>   Help, I have a Archive 2150S tape drive and want to hook it up to my ST.
>  Where do I start?? What exactly is a 2150S?? What jumper settings etc..
>
>       Thanks for any help..
>               Steve Mclane
>
>   smclane@bnr.ca

    i don't know Steve, but as chance would have it, i have just been reco-
mmended this very save drive. i will look forward with interest as to how
you get on. Please do post..

    Adam.      apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks)
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Keywords: Falcon
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:26:27 GMT

In <1992Oct6.094946.5432@ericsson.se> etlgtme@etlxd20.ericsson.se (Grant McFarlane) writes:

>(Prices in UK pounds)

>      1.44 Floppy | + 65Mb HD
>                     ^^^^^----------- oops, that should be 64Mb.
>     ------------------------
>1Mb      499      |   899
>2Mb      529      |   929
 ^^^???
>4Mb      579      |   979
>8Mb      779      |  1179
 ^^^???
>16Mb     979      |  1379

Hey! That's nice! I didn't know these memory configs would exist! This
is good news. I found 4 Meg too little, and 14/16 Meg too expensive.

>Grant.

[ *TWO* sigs deleted ]

Sander SToks
sanders@sci.kun.nl
From: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Marsupilami's private UUCP site - Palumbien, Germany.
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Reply-To: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 09:28:16 MET

In <1992Sep30.013510.13771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, Steve Schram writes:
> How about we start a new group for the falcon?  I believe it more than
> deserves its own group.  How 'bout it?
 
Then I'd like to have two further groups separated from c.s.a.s:
comp.sys.atari.TT
comp.sys.atari.spectre

I think the amount of topics is big enough to justify that separation.

Regards, Markus.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Is there an auto prg to merge midi out with a thru?
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:31:26 GMT

In article <hjv.717899192@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>In my tiny user's guide :) the following diagram is given:
>
>         3 *     * 1                 1: THRU transmit data
>           5*   * 4                  2: Shield ground
>              *                      3: THRU loop return
>              2                      4: OUT transmit data
>                                     5: OUT loop return
>
>It looks as if this is not the same as what you write. Or do I miss the point?
>Doesn't this mean that 2=shield (obvious :) and 1=THRU? (dunno what this
>'THRU loop return' on pin 3 means...)

"loop return" - a MIDI network is based on a current-loop serial interface.
Instead of using different voltages for signaling, presence/absence of
electrical current is used. So, in order to have a current flowing, you must
have a complete circuit, which implies, if you are sending current out, you
must have a place for it to come back to. Thus, "loop return."
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:10:53 GMT
	<1992Oct6.094946.5432@ericsson.se> <Bvp985.F1v@sci.kun.nl>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: sanders@sci.kun.nl's message of 6 Oct 92 12:26:27 GMT

In article <Bvp985.F1v@sci.kun.nl> sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:
|
| >(Prices in UK pounds)
|
| >      1.44 Floppy | + 65Mb HD
| >                     ^^^^^----------- oops, that should be 64Mb.
| >     ------------------------
| >1Mb      499      |   899
| >2Mb      529      |   929
|  ^^^???
| >4Mb      579      |   979
| >8Mb      779      |  1179
|  ^^^???
| >16Mb     979      |  1379
|
| Hey! That's nice! I didn't know these memory configs would exist! This
| is good news. I found 4 Meg too little, and 14/16 Meg too expensive.

According to Atari, they don't. But I guess someone will find a way, just like
they did with the ST. Personally, I am inclined to ignore all advertised prices
until the machine actually hits the streets, and *then* see what people charge.

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From: kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Isaacson)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:28:13 GMT

In article <1ab7f0INNhcm@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.013510.13771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, schram@spot.Colorado.EDU (Steve Schram) writes:
>>How about we start a new group for the falcon?  I believe it more than
>>deserves its own group.  How 'bout it?
>
>Comp.sys.atari.falcon
>
>Sounds like a great idea, half of the conversation in this base is Falcon
>related, and for people like myself who are getting sick of because they are
>unlikely to ever own one/want one/have access to one (or just are sick of it)
>it'd keep them happy!
>

I concur, I'm not sick of reading Falcon posts, but they have definitely 
reached the point where a new group is warranted.  And if there are a lot
now, the next few months are only going to see more of them.  Definitely
need a new group.
 
Kevin Isaacson
kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu