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From: mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Keno
Keywords: don't laugh
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:13:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.

In article <1992Sep28.235109.9169@midway.uchicago.edu> kolt@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Hey...if someone who goes to LV can grab one of those things that lists all the
>payoffs for Keno on a coming trip, I would appreciate their mailing me a copy.
>Ya see, I have an incredibly mindless boring horrible job right now and I need
>something to do during lunch to make my mind work... I was thinking of 
>looking at the different payoffs and comparing them with true odds. I figured 
>it would be humorous.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mattman
>
>
>

Here are the payoffs from the Riverside casino in Laughlin buried
within a TRUELY TERRIBLE mathematica program I wrote.  The payback
works out to about 73% of the true odd under the assumptions I made.

g1[yg1_] := 
  Apply[Plus, g[f1[Length[yg1] - 1], yg1]]
 
g[gx_, gy_] := 
  Table[gx[[i]]*gy[[i]], {i, Max[Length[gx], Length[gy]]}]
 
f1[f1y1_] := 
  Module[{f1x}, Table[f[f1x, f1y1], {f1x, 0, f1y1, 1}]]
 
f[fx_, fy_] := 
 (Binomial[20, fx]*Binomial[60, fy - fx])/Binomial[80, fy]

h[hx_, hy_] := 
  Table[1/hx[[i]]*If[hy[[i]]>0,1,0], 
	   {i, Max[Length[hx], Length[hy]]}]
 
h1[h1y_] := Table[
	      h[ f1[Length[h1y[[i]]] - 1], h1y[[i]] ],
             {i, Length[h1y]}]

riverside = {
 (*  1 *) {0,3},

 (*  2 *) {0,0,12},

 (*  3 *) {0,0,1,43},

 (*  4 *) {0,0,1,3,125},

 (*  5 *) {0,0,0,1,12,750},

 (*  6 *) {0,0,0,1,4,95,1500},

 (*  7 *) {0,0,0,0,1.5,20,425,6000},

 (*  8 *) {0,0,0,0,0,7,90,1500,28000},

 (*  9 *) {0,0,0,0,.5,3,44,280,3500,35000},

 (* 10 *) {0,0,0,0,0,1,20,150,1000,8000,
	   100000},

 (* 11 *) {0,0,0,0,0,1,8,70,360,2000,
	   10000,100000},

 (* 12 *) {0,0,0,0,0,1,4,28,220,550,
	   2000,20000,100000},

 (* 13 *) {0,0,0,0,0,0,2,16,70,700,
	   4000,7000,25000,100000},

 (* 14 *) {0,0,0,0,0,0,1,10,40,300,
	   1000,6000,25000,75000,100000},

 (* 15 *) {0,0,0,0,0,0,1,6,30,100,
	   300,2500,7000,25000,75000,100000},

 (* 20 *) {500,10,5,5,0,0,0,5,10,25,
	   50,200,1000,5000,12500,50000,
	   100000,100000,100000,100000,100000}
 }

tg[tgx_] := Table[g1[tgx[[i]]], {i,Length[tgx]}]
th[thx_] := Table[h1[thx[[i]]], {i,Length[thx]}]
From: alc.software@factory.com (Alc Software) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: PRO FOOTBALL PICKS
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: alc.software@factory.com (Alc Software) 

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: yhari@uncc.edu (Yog Hari)
Subject:  New Orleans Gambling
Reply-To: yhari@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:43:16 GMT

Does anyone know the situation about the New Orleans gambling law?  When will the 
casino open?  Please send email.

Thanks.

Yog Hari	email yhari@mosaic.uncc.edu		fax 704 553 8795
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: The !%*$# FAQ
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:53


Ignore this test message.  I'm trying to post the new FAQ, but
having technical difficulties.  Please stand by....
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
From: donk@fury.wr.tek.com (Donald C. Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Yet another trip report - Reno (Oct. 2-4)
Keywords: Blackjack
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:38:13 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

This is just a short trip report from Reno to inform you of the changes
in "The Biggest Little City In The World."

The Holiday has had a complete renovation of its gaming area.  The
roulette and craps tables are both gone. There are now only four
blackjack tables. In their place are video poker machines. A few months
ago, someone described the Holiday as a dump. Not after the renovation;
it's clean and neat but not too inviting for a rec.gambler.

The Cal Neva no longer offers insurance on the ground floor.  It has
been replaced by a top-of-the-deck-only bet that the dealer will get a
blackjack on this hand. The bet pays 17:1. The true odds are closer to
21:1. You may also bet your first two cards are a blackjack - same
payoff.  Too bad you can't make the bet on subsequent hands - they must
suspect there are counters out there.

The Gamblers Book Club has moved yet again. They are now on the ground
floor across Virginia from the Mapes. Expensive as usual.

The Eldorado has shuffle machines at quite a few tables. They were the
only club I visited that offered multi-action blackjack.

The Circus Circus still has its $.50 and $1.00 tables in the tower.  No
other club had any tables less than $2.00 while I was there.  Many
clubs are migrating to $3.00 minimum for their blackjack tables.

The Fitz/Harolds/Nevada Club stamp a card each time you get a
blackjack. Seven stamps and the card is placed in a drawing for some
inconsequential gifts. What the heck, it was free so I participated.
The nice thing is for the first time I had a record of what happened
at the table. In a little less than 2 days, I completed 15 cards - a
little over 100 blackjacks. Thus if my luck was normal, I played a
little over 2000 hands in the 2 days I was there.

One dealer told me dealers are expected to complete 400 hands per hour.
Good dealers routinely complete over 500. Just an interesting bit of
trivia.


--
	-Don Kirkpatrick (Donald.C.Kirkpatrick@tek.com)
		UUCP:	...!uunet!tektronix!Donald.C.Kirkpatrick
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Effects of bad players at poker.
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:57:26 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Sep30.015506.21571@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <zlsiida.133@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep21.174310.37378@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>>>Since I'm in it this far, I'll call."

>>well i just started reading Education of a Poker Player and just about the 
>>first point in it is that you have to assess the other players' intelligence.
>>As important as knowing the odds....

>Actually, Frank's quote isn't all that different from many top players'
>advice that one ought to nearly always call at the end, merely because
>of the pot odds.

I thought Frank was implying the guy stayed just because he'd stayed 
up to that point, regardless of pot odds.
Just read the Bones Alverson bit in E of a P P: gorblimey! as we UKers say




              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Foxwoods Poker Tournaments
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:49:30 GMT


The Foxwoods Casino in Ledyard is having low buy in poker tournaments
each Tuesday for the next 7 weeks.  The sign ups are from 5-6:15, and the
tourneys run 4hrs 15 min.  It is run in several 15-35 minute rounds, with
each round increasing in min/max bets.  This week and every second week is
seven card stud, the intervening weeks are texas hold'em.  The buy in is
$25, the entry fee is $10.  All buy ins are awarded as prizes, with the top
eight splitting the pot.  First prize is 46%, Eighth is 2%, the rest fall in
between.  You get $100 in chips at the beginning.  8-112 players per tourney.

Maybe we can take 'em on, boys (Those of us with flex hours, anyway)
I got this info in the mail from their poker mailing list.  Any Q's, just
e-mail.

Murph

--------------------------------------
John Murphy  murphy@rock.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corp, Hudson Mass
--------------------------------------
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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Elko, Nv
In-reply-to: marlon@milpa.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 28 Sep 92 20:48:04 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: ca
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:23:36

In article <1a7r24INN87e@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> marlon@milpa.EBay.Sun.COM (Marlon Pearson) writes:

> I have seen adds for inexpensive flights to Elko, Nev.
> on Red Lion Casion Airlines or something like that. 

Casino Express.  The Red Lion owns a couple of 737s that they fly
all over to drag people into their casino.

> What is Elko like ?

Elko is kind of like Wendover or Winnemucca, only bigger :-)

> How many casinos and what are 
> the blackjack and craps conditions in Elko ?

There are 4 or 5 casinos in Elko.  The Red Lion is the largest/nicest.
None of the others are within walking distance of the Red Lion (except
for the Red Lion Motor Lodge across the street), unless you enjoy long
walks (30 min).

Then have about 15 BJ tables, all $5 minimum ($3 min. at the motor lodge).
Vegas downtown rules (DOA, H17), insurance, no peeking under tens.  About
half single deck, half double deck, on Triple-Action.

> What else can you tell me about it ?

They have a Fast-action Hold'em table and a couple of poker tables, but
the poker tables don't open until 5 pm, even on weekends :-(
The locals seem to be used to cleaning clocks for the junket players,
and some of the locals get very upset when a junket player is able to
survive for more than 15 minutes at the Hold'em table.  They generally
play a loose game, and there are a couple of real bullies.  In short,
it is a good game for a tight player who isn't afraid of bullies and
card-throwing hotheads.

The Sunday Champagne Brunch is *awesome*.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Trip Report, La Center, Washington
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:48:29 GMT

Just returned from Portland, Oregon, where I was able to take an evening
excursion across state lines (no, I am not an underaged female :-) to the
little, excuse the expression, podunk, town of La Center, Washington, where
there are (count 'em) FIVE card rooms (although all of them together could
probably be placed inside of Garden City in San Jose and still leave room
for several tables of California Aces :-).  

This place is a throwback to my remembrances of Nogales, Arizona.  It
is a little town (you'll miss it if you blink) about two miles off of
I-5 with five card rooms, two restaurants and three gas stations.
Not much else.

The Last Fronteir and the New Phoenix are the ritzier of the casinos, each
with about five tables (round tables, no dealer, players deal all cards).
The Phoenix offered player blackjack and low-limit hold-em ($1-3) while
the Last Frontier had moderate limit hold-em ($3-6 and $3-5-5-7).  Neither
of these places had any open tables.  The Golden Dragon across the street
(er alley is a better word), had Omaha/Tahoe dealer's choice at $.50-$2 
and $3-6.  We played for about 2 hours there, my buddy winning $135 at
the low limit Omaha game and I dropped $20.  Most of the players are not
too skilled but play reasonably instinctively.  Tahoe is like hold-em but
you get three cards instead of 2 and can play 0, 1 or 2 from your hand
but not all three (as opposed to Omaha where you must play 2 from your
hand exactly).  Omaha deals 4 or 5 cards, dealer's choice, when the game
is short-handed.  5 cards makes it a wild game (10 starter pairs for
each player...)  

These card rooms are seedy and the players (locals) are pretty much farmer 
or rancher types.  No one was too serious about the game.  

There was some cheating.  One guy managed to dump his stack into the pot
when he started to divide it and screwed my partner out of about $5 on
the split.   This is a bad problem with player-dealt games, IMHO.  

Playing fees are $1.50 a half-hour.  

A good diversion, but not much as a great place to go for poker.

Jon Rosen
From: mbuck@fibers.uucp (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: How/Where to play DD in LV
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:48:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: fibers.1992Oct6.094858.593
Distribution: na
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Oct5.115437.10730@midway.uchicago.edu>, kolt@quads.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo) writes:
> OK. After my last trip in Aug, I decided that I probably ought to play some DD 
> games, since the # of Strip games is dwindling. I have some questions.

> Where do I find good rules? 

I played a fair amount of DD during Aug 6-11 (where the hell were you guys,
anyway?  I couldn't find you.)  The best games I found were at Palace
Station (H17,DAS with great penetration), Mirage (S17,DAS, good penetration),
and, of course, LV Hilton(S17,DAS,LS, good penetration).  Games I didn't
try that are reputed to be good are at Excalibur and Aladdin.
> 
> When playing DD, do you count the # of rounds, or eyeball the discards?

Actually, I eyeball the undealt cards in the dealer's hand if I can see them,
but that's just 'cause I find that easier to mentally handle.  What does
everyone else do?

> What constitutes acceptable/good rules, and should I be picky?

Actually, DAS with S17 isn't too hard to find on DD in Las Vegas.  But, the
penetration can be pretty stinky, and the pits can be nasty (E.G. - Barbary
Coast, by reputation).

> What kind of spreads do these rules require to grind out much of a profit?

Not sure.  I wasn't too daring about my spread, and basically stuck to a
1-3 spread.  (I know, I know, I'll never be able to win with that...)

> My instincts and experience tell me that I should play Strip rules +DAS as
> my minimum favorable rules and play the LV Hilton if they still have their 
> awesome rules...but do they use their surrender to spot counters?

I've been told that the pit at LV Hilton is extremely sharp, and they
may not let you know they're watching, when they are.  I have never
noticed any attention from them, but that's probably due to the fact
that I've never had a positive deck there yet, so my bets never vary
from the minimum.  I do *not* think they cheat in any way.  I've just
had bad luck there.

> Is it worth playing DD at all? Is it worth playing tables/casinos w/ nDAS?

Most people, I think, would tell you that it is not worth it.  However,
I'm only a semi-serious card-counter, and I enjoy going straight up
against the dealer one-on-one at the Mirage at DD much more than I enjoy
playing at a full 2x7 SD table. (except maybe at the Frontier :-). )

So, take what I say with that in mind. :-)

> Thanks a bunch.
> Matt, who is planning to be in LV 14-22 Dec. (maybe)
 
I'll be there from Dec 4-Dec 22.  Find me.
________________________________________________________________________
Michael Buck                          |
UUCP: decwrl!twwells!fibers!mbuck     |
Internet:                             |
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From: mmord@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Which Wong book?/LVA
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:11:48 GMT

Question:  LVA's writeup on Wong's "Casino Tournament Play" or some
such title indicates that this book contains the same information
as in Wong's "Blackjack Tournament Play" or some such title.  The
blackjack only book is still $100....? But the new tournament book
on various casino games is only about $44.  So does anybody know
which is the best buy? LVA really talks a lot about the blackjack
sections in the new book....."old spiral notebooks"...etc. 
I guess I need to know lest I break down and bone up for the
Nov 20-21 BJ tourny at the Silver Smith...JJ? Steve?

Bret Webster

Currently short on crude.
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Mirage buys Dunes
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:15:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct6.191554.8138
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


According to an article in today's Wall Street Journal, the Dunes Hotel has
been purchased by Mirage as an expansion vehicle.  Current betting is that the
Mirage Corp. will continue to operate the hotel as a conventional hotel and
casino, while evaluating the impact of the new mega-complexes opening next
year (Luxor, MGM Grand, Treasure Island).  The Dunes property has 170 or so
acres and includes a golf course.  This should serve Mirage well in terms of
expansion capability at a prime location.



Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:01:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.145632.14941@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.160004.23643@odin.corp.sgi.com> stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.125323.27279@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct1.200614.6906@odin.corp.sgi.com> stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes:
>	What I mean is this.  Wouldn't it be a wonderfully agressive
>	strategy to bet on 35 out of 36 numbers? There are certain
>	specific numers that don't come in for thousands of spins
>	(in a random cyclical fashion).  You could sit there and win
>	one unit per spin with great reliablity in a game like craps
>	if you could parse your bet out like that.  But one zero
>	every so often kills the whole thing.

  Yeah, come on down to my casino at my house and do this on MY wheel :-)

  This is not an aggresive strategy, it is a STUPID strategy.  You have
  exactly the same odds per amount of money wagered as if you bet all
  38 numbers and LOST 2 units every time.  Over any reasonable long
  playu , you will lose your bankroll and possibly your shirt doing
  this.  You could bet ONE number and lose it 35 out of 36 times on
  average (plus the times 0 or 00 come up :-)  

  Jon Rosen
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: OVR/UNDR QUERY
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.154915.19481@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko) writes...
>>GOOOOOOOO-O-O-O	BILLS, BISONS, BULLS & er!...well...Sabres, I guess!
>>Take Miami vs Seattle
> 
>Whoops.  That's the only game I really did well on this weekend (taking
>Seattle).  I got lucky on the over, the opening line was 36.5 but it went
>down to 35 on Sunday when I took it.  I was shocked the Niners-Saints game
>went under.  What a bummer.
Shows what I know about betting.  Glad I keep my $ in my pocket.

>The line on the Jets-Rams
>game was -1 (opened at PK earlier in the week) and went to Jets -3 at 
>game time.  Whoops.  Only lost a little on that one.  Got the under right.
This swung from LA -11/2 to Jets -2 in our paper, believe it or not. Very
strange!!!
All underdogs but TWO swung towards favorites.  At least in Buff. News
Maybe people see the perrenial weak sisters getting stronger.
We'll see!
> 
>Managed to get the Chiefs - 6.5 at the Sands.  Let's see how that one
>works out tonight.
>  
>Jacko.
NICE MOVE Jacko!!!  Although it wasn't rocket science.
Good Luck.
T Mac
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: AC Info Wanted
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.112533.592@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:

>I was just in AC on Septermber 26th, a Saturday.  If you want to play
>table games for $5.00 on a weekend, you should arrive *very* early on
>Saturday morning.  The $5 tables begin disappearing around 11 AM.  By
>5 PM, you'll be hard-pressed to find one anywhere in town.  The only
>exception to this seems to be at TropWorld, where they have a specific
>section of the casino running under the "Boardwalk Games" banner.  This
>area had 8-10 $5.00 BJ tables at 9 PM on Saturday night.  I couldn't
>be sure, but it looks like they maintain these tables at $5 at all times.
>Applause for TropWorld for bucking the "screw the customer" trend in AC.
>Quite a few people were hovering over these tables waiting for a spot,
>however.

4, 6 or 8-deck games??
From: stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:06:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.121040.2192@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>	Another article from the terminally illiterate.

	He did not understand what you wrote.  But you understood what he
wrote.  Now: which of you is illiterate?

	-Mark
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Net BJ
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:48:39 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Anyone out there willing/able to set up a Blackjack server for practice/
net.tournaments?

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Mt. Juliet Capulets--Ultra Cricket
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: Sports Gambling FAQ
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:49:16 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Actually, the statement that "the bottom team is almost always the home team"
is only true in the USA.  At a British or Australian bookie shop, the TOP
team is home.  (Don't ask about Canada; I have no idea.)
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