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From: rbruster@oodis01.af.mil (Rowlan Armbruster)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: which water heater?  which toilet/WC?
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:06:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah


	 don't know anything about the toilets Fred, but I can coment about
Mhe water heaters.  I have a A,O. Smith water heater and have had very good
luck with it.  I would suggest however that if you are going to change water
heaters, that you buy a 50 gal modle that way you always have plenty of how
water for everything.
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: translucent/transparent sound insulation ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:20:08 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Sep11.144301.8967@athena.mit.edu>, by chasman@athena.mit.edu (David Chasman):
> Hi.
> I'm looking for a good material to sound-proof windows.I dont' want to
> replace the windows - I guess I don't know what I'm looking for exactly.
> All suggestions appreciated.

It seems like our storm windows help deaden sound.  I suspect
multi-pane glass would have some effect.  If you just want
translucent, glass bricks might be your best bet.
-- 
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Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
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From: shf@ais.org (Steve Fox)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew's effect on building materials
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:12:44 GMT

heflin@rtsg.mot.com (Suzanne Stratton Heflin) writes:

>greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>>>>are now becomming quite scarce. According to our builder (he built our
>>>>house last year and is about to start building a barn for us) the
>>>>price of plywood doubled last week.
I just checked with my lumber yard, Chelsea Lumber. OSB and plywood have
increased approx 10% and the price of framing lumber has dropped(!) approx
5%, so for me, building a house will cost me about $500 more. Whoopee doo.

>>This strikes me as odd. In the past, it has been usual in times of national 
>>crisis, to take legal steps against price-gouging and profiteering.
This is still a possibility.  The Florida Governor has announce a $10,000
fine for price raising if it cannot be justified in some manner.  Rather
loose, I know, but it may deter those thinking about price-gouging.
_____________________________________________________________________________
echo bye > .signature
From: pzs3761@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pete Sierant)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Realty-English Dictionary
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:35:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: chaotic to the abstract

In article <1992Sep14.175509.1467@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord) writes:

[...]

>One other thing, listing agents tend to have a very bizzarre idea of
>what constitutes "view", "RV parking", "great neighborhood", and "cute".

After house hunting for hours every day for over 2 months, and being within
a few days of closing, and having seen 147 houses, here is my version
of 
             "The Realty-English Dictionary":

View: the highway the deck overlooks was recently paved.

RV Parking: Grass refuses to grow over half the yard, so you might
            as well park there.

great neighborhood: the drive-by shootings are only at night.

cute: so small that when the dog scratches he changes the TV channel.

executive home: you can't afford it, and they don't want your
                kind anyway.

country kitchen: Arnold from "Green Acres" was the previous resident.

vaulted ceiling: you'll never get the dust off the ceiling fan.

great for kids: construction reminiscent of Barbie's fun playhouse.

near schools: you will drive at 15 mph when you are late to work.

great space: the house contains one (1) room.

convenient to downtown: bolt down anything you care about, (pets, etc.)

fixer-upper: just blow it up and start over. Trust me.

privacy: your nearest neighbor speaks a foreign language.

older home: that lean is intentional.

established neighborhood: blue haired women call the cops for playing
             anything more progressive than Benny Goodman later than 
             7:00 pm.

one-of-a-kind: and you can see why.

this one won't last long!: it's been listed since the Carter administration.

This is the central Texas regional edition. I'm sure other parts of the 
country have a different dialect.
-- 
-- Pete              -=[ pzs3761@tamsun.tamu.edu ]=-
                 "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar"
                                                   -Sigmund Freud
From: lzk60@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Lakshmankumar Mukkavilli)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Outdoor Lighting: Mercury vapor Vs. High Pressure Sodium
Keywords: outdoor lighting
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:47:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


We are considering installing a post mounted light in front of our
house. Any suggestions?

              Thanks,
                L. Mukkavilli
From: duanej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Duane Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:05:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Is homesteading still possible?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house

>I was wondering if any countries, including the USA, still homestead. If  
>so, which ones and how do I get more information about them? 

I know of a fellow who is homesteading in Alaska.  I think that you need
to be a resident of Alaska for some number of years before you become
eligible for the homesteading program.  I know that he's in a reasonably
remote area, hauling in supplies with snomobile and sled on frozen rivers ...
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Electrical wiring for fixtures
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:32:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <18tn19INNgjk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:
>{Feed the ceiling, and run switch leg? 
> or
>feed the switch, and run a switchED ?arm?}

>An additional advantage of #2 is that you can install
>a combination switch/outlet. As a charter member of the 
>	There is NO such thing as too many outlets
>club, this appeals to me ;-}

You can still do this with #1, but it needs 14-3 (or 12-3 ;-)
between the fixture and switch.  However, this means that the
colour coding is different yet again.  Sigh.

Which is another reason why I like #2.
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Electrical wiring for fixtures
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:57:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep11.213631.14351@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.155025.20735@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>
>>.......................................................  The books
>>that I've seen talk about using a switch loop to go from the fixture
>>to the wall switch. 

>Not sure about the NEC, but the Federal Wiring Handbook (not the exact
>title) recommends bringing the feed into the ceiling box, running a drop
>to the switch (the "loop" you describe), and making all connections in
>the ceiling box. The reason it gives for recommending this practice (and
>for recommending drops to wall outlets) is that the system is much more
>maintainable when wired this way.

I think it may also be that houses tend to be wired through ceilings rather
than walls - no drilling is required in one direction, and obstructions
(eg: doors or windows) are rare in ceilings ;-).  Also may tend to
reduce interference with wall insulation - ceiling insulation is easier
to deal with.

The specific-to-Canada guide books (Knight for instance) also recommend
bringing power to the ceiling box first.

The drawbacks are that ganged switches get rather wierd, and the
colour coding is wrong (loops require the white to be hot).
[Note that the white and black must be a certain way around in the
loop.]

I like running the power to the switch first, tho I occasionally
wire the other way.  This way I can keep the colour codes exactly
right throughout.  But the extra wall drilling may cost me some
time.  But I figger the lessened confusion on colour codes, and
keeping the branches straight in my head outweigh the time.

I've had a professional electrician (commercial, not residential)
warn me that I was going to get in trouble with the inspector for
powering the switchboxes first.  But not a peep from the inspector.
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From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Home security tips from a burglar
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.182912.25073@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>> In article 14579@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, so690561@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Susan Elizabeth Olson) writes:
>> 
>>>....so much for the "no gun" solution request of an earlier poster - I'm
>>>interested to see if anyone else out there comes up with other home
>>>security tips that don't involve the purchase of a weapon.
>>
>
>Do you have a meat cleaver, how about a baseball bat?  Keep it
>near your bed at night.

Why, pray tell?  In case your house is invaded by a large ox and you need
to field dress it on the spot?

>Do you have full use of your body?  If so, find a "good" dojo and
>obtain some martial arts training.

Gee, that will do wonders to protect your home, especially if you're on
vacation.

>If you don't like these options, prepare yourself to submit to
>whatever indignities the home invader wishes to visit upon you
>even unto death...

What's with the cowboy mentality here?  The point of *home* security is
NOT acquiring the ability to dispatch home invaders.  It's to prevent their
arrival in the first place.  Arming yourself will not prevent anyone from
breaking into your home.

More people die in auto accidents every year than are assaulted by home
invaders (and I can't wait until someone refutes this with the time-proven
"References please" Usenet rebuttal).  I don't see anyone advocating
arming themselves to prevent auto accidents (although some nut cases in
California are arming themselves in an effort to create auto accidents).
If you're concerned about personal safety, I suggest addressing the big
problems before worrying about the little ones.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Beware when prewiring for telephone
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:35:41 GMT

In article <LLZuqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
>So far as I know, all networking stuff is designed for Class A. I'll

The Europeans require Class B, consequently there is a great
deal of interest from the network vendors in being able to
meet that spec.

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From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: Another mortgage scam?
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:01:08

In article <1581@dcsc.dla.mil> ppasquin@dcsc.dla.mil (Peggy Pasquinelly) writes:

       Boy, am I mad. ... a local bank... told us we would have to pay
       2% immediately to lock in the interest rate to be refunded at
       closing.  We haven't even made application yet!

Around here, I've heard 1% for locking in the interest rate.  It
doesn't seem unreasonable to me that you have to make some commitment
to the bank for them to make some commitment to you.

       This is not an application fee.  It is not discount points.
       According to their representative, this is a new policy
       instituted by the bank as some sort of solution or alternative
       to paying discount points, since so many home buyers don't want
       to pay points. . . .. I won't pontificate points.  I THINK THIS
       IS A SCAM TO SUPPRESS ISSUING MORTGAGES BECAUSE THE INTEREST
       RATES ARE _SO_ LOW RIGHT NOW.

Huh?  Most banks sell mortgages on the wholesale market these days.
They make money by marking up wholesale mortgages.  If they don't
write mortgages, they don't make money.  And of course no one is
forcing them to write mortgages at unprofitable rates.  My guess for
the reason for the lock-in money is that people were continuing to
shop around even after the rate commitment, and abandoning
applications just before closing.  This costs the banks money and
aggravation.  Asking for money up front makes this harder to do.

	-s
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew's effect on building
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:23:58 GMT

In <18qrtaINN64e@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>So, what, you want everybody in the country to move to Kansas?  Whoops,
>no, remember Dorothy?  How about Washington?  Oh, right, Mt. St.
>Helens...  I know, Tennessee!  Wrong again, tornado alley!  Of course
>either coast is out, including the Gulf coast and anywhere bordering
>the Great Lakes.  The Rocky Mt. states are out, remember how Denver was
>totally shut down last winter due to snow storms?  That leaves us with,
>what, Alabama, West Virginia, and South Dakota?

>Blaming natural disaster victims for living in a "dangerous" area is
>idiotic.

On the other hand, constantly expecting taxpayers to bail
out homeowners and businesses who choose to buy or build
houses under-designed for known dangers is also stupid.

If people choose to live in "dangerous" areas, I don't see
why I should be expected to pay for their skimping on
contruction standards.  Federal floodplain regulations set
standards for where and how houses can be built if they
are to qualify for taxpayer subsidised reconstruction.
Most areas with heavy snow require roofing that can
withstand heavy snow loads.  California and other states
have earthquake provisions in their building codes.

If you want taxes to pay for your damages after a storm,
you'd better be able to show that the storm was far worse
than anyone could reasonably predict.  Otherwise, it's
just the normal course of business and you should either
build better or save in advance for repairs.  Continually
rebuilding inadequate structures is too wasteful to get my
hard-earned money, thanks.
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From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burglars.)
Reply-To: gary@cdthq.uucp (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:50:39 GMT

In article <6SEP199208115481@utkvx3.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
>In article <P63HqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>, gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes...
>>drevik@utkvx4.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
>> 
>>> In article <mwBeqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>, gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes...
>>> 
>>> Mr. Heston... can you read?  There must be > a dozen requests to
>>> move this to rec.guns.  Thanks.
>> 
>>Yes, I can read. I've seen NINE other postings from you (arrived at
>>this site today) wasting bandwidth. 
>
>Umm.... again, I pose the question "can you read?"  My name appears
>at ONLY ONE of the posts requesting that this discussion be moved.
>The other eight are another poster.  Sorry if the fact that my request
>happens to be the last one that you read.

Really? Well, since the articles are already expired from home, let's
look at them on the feed site--just so happens I work here.

Article numbers are local, and will bear no resemblence to anyone elses;
I've trimmed the headers and bodies to save bandwidth:


Article 13481: #1

>From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
>Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burglars.)
>Message-ID: <1992Sep1.002455.2706@src.dec.com>


Article 13482: #2

>From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
>Subject: Re: safety vs suggested weapons
>Message-ID: <1992Sep1.002733.2971@src.dec.com>

Article 13483: #3

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: Hardening the Target (was Re: Killing burglars.)


Article 13484: #4

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: Killing burglars.


Article 13486: #5

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: safety vs suggested weapons


Article 13487: #6

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burglars.)


Article 13488: #7

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: Hardening the Target (was Re: Killing burglars.)


Article 13489: #8

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burglars.)


Article 13491: #9

From: jeske@src.dec.com (Steve Jeske)
Subject: Re: Hardening the Target (was Re: Killing burglars.)


Another poster, eh? Poor software at dec.com? Yeah, right.....



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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Sound insulation for ceiling/floor:  ideas?
Keywords: sound insulation fibreglass
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:57:41 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <N0sLqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
|The vermiculite would have more mass than fiberglass, so it would 
|dampen sound better. Carpet does a lot, too. Most likely, though,
|there was real wood and solid joints in there that helped the 
|most. Fiberglass will be better than nothing, but to make a significant
|reduction, you'll need more. For an upstairs room, the thickest 
|carpet pad I could get (or two layers of thinner stuff, with a denser
|one on the bottom) and a good thick carpet on top will make *lots* 
|of difference.

Rockwool batts are considerably denser than fiberglass, so would be a lot
better than fiberglass.  Just can't find the brochure that has the
numbers.  Would be easier and cheaper than trying to put vermiculite
in a floor.
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From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Home security tips from a burglar
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.174033.29971@sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:

>First of all, note that 3-way switches are really 2-way, i.e., single pole,
>double throw (SPDT or 1P2T), so you can wire one to select either the detector
>output or the 120V source.

True, but the response I'll get at the electrical supply shop to "let me
have an SPDT" is likely to be "Huh?". The primary purpose of language is to
communicate your desires, *not* to be accurate (of course, usually the second
is required to produce the first). Since the people in the trade call it a
3-way, so will I (unless I'm in Radio Shack).

>If you get a 3-position selector switch, you can
>have "OFF" at the same location (OFF, ON, DET) and save the second switch.

Good idea, but now we're into specialty stuff right? At least, I haven't
seen this sort of thing at Rutgers Electrical Supply. I would want something
that fits in a standard wall box with a white plastic cover plate (like
the other stuff in my house).

Anyway, others have pointed out that I'm being unnecessarilly elaborate
here and don't need either one.

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From: leffler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Bob Leffler)
Subject: Re: Sheetrocking Question
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:47:50 GMT

jon@destin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jon Stone) writes:


>I have one suggestion that hasn't been mentioned before.  Buy and
>install those sheet metal covers that are attached to your studs
>wherever electrical wire is routed.  These covers may save someone's
>life later.  I don't know exactly what they're called but they keep
>someone from putting a nail into a stud where there is a wire beneath.

>Jon
Don't know about elsewhere, but code requires the plates where I live.
I don't recall the exact spec, but it has something to do with the
distance of the wiring to the surface.  1 1/4" seems to stick in my
mind.


bob