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From: APUCORLE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: WhiteBoard News (4/15/92)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:52:39 GMT


London, England:

Hold onto your meatless lasagna.

A British company is looking for a little help from its friends to
market Linda McCartney frozen vegetarian entrees in the U.S.

The wife of ex-Beatle Paul McCartney already is pushing some
distinctly British entrees such as ploughman pasties and ploughman
pie in the United Kingdom.

Now the British food company that produces those delightful dishes
is hoping to break into the U.S. market with slightly more enticing
beefless burgers, vegetables wedges and cauliflower, broccoli and
potato gratin.

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From: ireland@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon song
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:44:29 EST

"The way things are goin', they're gonna' crucify me.". From "The Ballad
of John and Yoko". Originally released as a single, and to the best of my
knowledge, the only album release was on the "Blue Album" set (sort of a
greatest Beatle hits for 1967 to 1970).

From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:55:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Hey Jude, the album
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

As I recall, the Hey Jude album (released only in the U.S. as far as I know)
came out after Abbey Road but before Let It Be.  I could be wrong in that it
may have come out after LIB too, but I'm fairly certain that it didn't appear
before Abbey Road.
From: rgranvil@bbn.com (Robert A. Granville)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Complete Apple Trax
Date: 6 Apr 1992 20:17:24 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: rgranvil@vax.bbn.com (Robert A. Granville)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


I tried to post this last Friday, but it seems to have evaporated...

I am finding myself increasingly tempted by the lure of "rare" and
"collectible" Beatles recordings --- affectionately known here as
Beatlegs. I found a local source, which had the Yellow Dog Get Back
that's been getting bandwidth of late, some Unsurpassed Masters, and
a line I don't recall seeing mentioned around here: The Complete Apple
Trax. (I *think* that's the name --- after all it WAS three days ago!)
These were cds, at least six (sold individually). Does anyone out
there know what these are, what (in general -- or specifically if you
like) is on them, how is the sound quality, anything else you care to
offer? 

Rob Granville
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqbidINN4hj
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

I find this argument about John vs. Paul a little weird because to me the
post-Beatle work of both John and Paul is disappointing.  (I like "Imagine"
for its lyrics, but the music isn't that exciting.)  I think there are
at least four reasons for this:

1.  John and Paul needed each other both as helpers and as competitors.
    (I know, this is a cliche.)

2.  Their work benefitted from *being Beatles* -- from the hype, the pressure,
    the zillions of eager fans, all that.  (I know, it's easy to argue the
    other side of this one, too.)

3.  I'm older now, and more cynical, and *nothing* excites me musically the
    way it used to.  In particular, it's pretty clear that we aren't going to
    overthrow the U.S. government by means of rock 'n' roll.

4.  Let's face it, 40-year-olds can't rock.  (Except maybe Ray Davies.)

As for their Beatles work, I vote for whoever wrote "Can't Buy Me Love."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: kjmcrae@trillium.waterloo.edu (Who wants to know?!?)
Subject: Ringo's upcoming tour
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:45:29 GMT


Word is that BURTON CUMMINGS (ex-lead singer from the Guess Who) is also 
included on the bill...


km
GOO GOO G'JOO!!!

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: enin rebmun
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:42:20 GMT

Yes, for those of you interested, "ENIN REBMUN" which sounds something
like "TURN ME ON DEADMAN" has been posted to alt.binaries.sounds.misc
in .snd format for macintushes and NeXT's.

<ESC>

-- 
ou est le soleil, dans la tete, Travaillez.
                                    -- Paul McCartney
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@isis.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno)
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:07:26 GMT


from what I remember (maybe from the Book?), _Cry for a Shadow_ is
credited Lennon-Harrison just because John wrote the standard lead and
George the solo ... When they asked them who was to be credited, they had
no idea that an instrumental song had indeed an authorship.

ciao! .mau.

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: achilles@cheshire.oxy.edu (Gregory Jonathan Williams)
Subject: Another trivia question (whoop-dee-doo)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:38:01 GMT
From: rhill@netlink.cts.com (Ron Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.giX4iB2w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:

> In <rqbidINN4hj@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
> 
> >4.  Let's face it, 40-year-olds can't rock.  (Except maybe Ray Davies.)
> 
> And Neil Young of course.

 
        YEAH!!!! 

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From: sastxb@weevil.unx.sas.com (Thomas Bednarek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: linda's IQ
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:18:32 GMT
    <1992Apr9.094058.13110@mic.ucla.edu> <1992Apr9.175003.20704@menudo.uh.edu> 
    <1992Apr9.222020.22326@mic.ucla.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sastxb@weevil.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 682

In article <1992Apr9.222020.22326@mic.ucla.edu>, dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
> ... (though
>domestic burdens ought not be an obstruction to Great Thoughts; they
>may slow us down a tad...but I digress)
>

	Coincidentally, I've noticed somewhat of a "dropping off"
of the quantity of posts from the Sakimeister since she re-enacted
Lennon's "Beautiful Boy". The quality hasn't suffered, though, proving
the above point :)

	BTW, the tapes I heard from the recent Paul shows (with only
Linda's vocals) were hideous. This is not really a comment on her
intelligence, but it grated on me enough to lose objectivity. Sort
of like bagism ...

					Tom
					(sastxb@vms.sas.com)
From: mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: BeatleTrivia
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:12:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.084452.7326@waikato.ac.nz> deryl@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.125737.20864@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jruiz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jose Ruiz) writes:
>>
>>      O.K.  Since you're all Beatle experts out there, answer this one:
>>
>>           How many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall?
>
>
>
>Uummm.... how about 1 really big one, or lots of little ones!?

 isn't it 4,000 holes (in Blackburn, Lancashire, so now they know
 how many it takes to fill the Albert hall???

-Denise
*******
"If you can't say something nice....don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Strawberry Fields Forever" Edit
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:59:43 GMT
Organization: Everywhere

In article <1992Apr6.160818.10775@husc3.harvard.edu>, nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.165153.27038@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> alex@drax (Alex Measday) writes:
> >
> >On 3Jul91, David Faciane discussed a "Strawberry Fields Forever" edit
> >at "about 0:55" which must exist before the line "Let me take you 
> >down..."  That edit can be heard (so to speak).  Balance your stereo
> >all the way to the right.  Listen closely at 0:55.  You'll hear *two*
> >breath intakes.  I propose that the 1st one is for the deleted verse
> >starting "No one I think..."  That breath is cut short - this is the 
> >exact edit point - and we hear a boomy guitar note start and another
> >breath intake, this one for the imminent "Let me take you down..."
> >
> >Don Sauter
> 
> O.K., I know this is old, but I wasn't around in July, and I beg to 
> differ, so I thought I'd put in a word.
> 
> I had thought (and read this, too, in Mark Lewisohn's book) that the
> edit occurred at precisely 1:00, right after "cos I'm" and just 
> before "going to." Can anyone back me up on this? Have a listen; it
> sure sounds like a definite break to me. Again, sorry if I'm stirring
> up a tired story, but then I wouldn't be the first one guilty of that,
> now, would I? :-)
> 
> Have fun,
> Steph

This is starting to sound like _JFK_ : exactly WHAT instant did the edit
occure?  Were there, in fact TWO edits... :)

Actually, there were.  For those of you with Unsurpassed Masters, Volume
3 (1966-1967), take a listen to take 7.  This the one that was used for
the first minute of the final version.  You'll notice that there's no
edit between the first adn second verse.  That's because, on the final
version, only the first verse is used from take 7, then the first chorus
is editted in just after, but only the line "Let me take you down, 'cuz
I'm going to...".  At this point, take 26 is used.  (Take 26 being the
heavily-scored take...)

So, to recap:
There are two edits...  On the CD version, they occure at:
0:55 - editting take 7 to itself, eliminating the second verse and
       connecting the first verse to the second chorus.
0:59 - right in the middle of the second chorus, between the phrases
       "'cuz I'm..." and "...going to".  After this chorus, it's the
       second verse ("No one, I think..."), which was editted out of
       take 7.

Hope THAT clears up the confusion (or, at least, didn't create any
more... :)


-- 
David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
"Now a life of leisure and a pirate's treasure don't make much for tragedy.
 But it's a sad man, my friend, who's livin' in his own skin and can't stand
   the company..."                -Bruce Springsteen, 1992
From: AWP00JTF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: John Lennon Art Exhibit/Charlotte NC
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:03:14 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In case anyone is interested, the artwork of John Lennon is on display
at the Omni Hotel, 222 E. Third Street, Charlotte, NC (704-377-6664).
The show is from Thursday April 16 through Saturday April 18, from
9am-9pm.  I am not sure, but some of the art may be for sale.
 
 
Judy Freed
From: hartigse@fe607.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: More trivia -- a little tougher
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:42:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

A little tougher this time 'round.

Whose sister was the song "Dear Prudence" written for?

(Hint: She's a famous(eh?) actress)

_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN

"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
                ....the population is growing"       

                        -H.L Mencken

GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

_____________________________________________________
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon/McCartney: assigning authorship
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:27:25 PDT

In article <1992Apr6.175021.4017@verifone.com> kent_f1@verifone.com writes:
>>       The Lennon and McCartney songwriting patrnership is often regarded
>>   as a total or partial myth. It is true that the two stopped writing
>>  together in ameaningful way very early on. But the collabaration was
>>  essentially competitive anyway. 
>
>...The question REALLY should be:
>  
>	Which Beatle songs were true 50-50 collaborations?
>        ==================================================
>
>        You might pick 'A Hard Day's Night' for starters.
>	How about 'Cry For A Shadow' (J + G)?

William Dowlding, who wrote "Beatlessongs" (1989) as a compendium of
information about the Beatles' official releases, is the only source
I know which attempts to assign authorship using a decimal system,
based on quotes and acknowledgments from Lennon and McCartney or other
authoritative sources. Most of the time it's a fairly reliable method...
or at least it's a start. Songs known to be a shared effort, like "I'll
Get You" or "Thank You Girl", are rated at .5 Lennon and .5 Macca; others
reflect a different balance ("Every Little Thing" is .9 Macca, .1 Lennon;
"Ask Me Why" is .7 Lennon, .3 Macca). Outside influences (like George
Harrison's mum, who contributed a line to "Piggies") get their fair share
of the distribution as well.

Dowlding rates "A Hard Day's Night" as 100% Lennon; there seems to be
no information suggesting otherwise, though points might have been
given to Ringo for the song title (even though John used the phrase
in his first book "In His Own Write", John gives Ringo credit for using
it as an "off the cuff" remark during filming and inspiring Richard
Lester, the director, to use it as the *film* title as well, thus
necessitating John's use of it as the basis for a title song...an
interestingly circuitous route!)

"Cry For A Shadow" was something Harrison and Lennon wrote, though
it falls before the Fabs' official releases and isn't dealt with in
Dowlding's book. It's debatable how much of the song is one or the
other.
--
"I get something in me head, you know, and all the
walls of Rome couldn't stop me."
----------------------------------------------------
saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ehenry@hydra.unm.edu (Elizabeth Henry CIRT-IRC)
Subject: Beatles (the dark side)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:14:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In reading the article "Paul is dead?!?" I decided there
is an aspect to a few Beatle songs that invokes a sense of
darkness or dread.  The first two that come to mind are "Eleanor
Rigby" and John's portion of "A Day in the Life".  John's "Rev.9"
scared the hell out of me when I first heard it as a child.  I remember
all three of these songs bringing up either a sense of saddness or 
fear when I listened to them.  Other songs like "She said she said"
and "In my life" mention death.  

Before you all peg me as some kind of morbid nut-case
let me get to my idea.  Perhaps the "Paul is dead" phenomenon
was based in truth to some extent.  Not that Paul died, but 
that there was something being expressed below the surface
by both John and Paul pertaining to their own unresolved
issues concerning the deaths of people close to them.
As you know both lost their mothers early on.  Later there
was the death of B. Epstien.  

So maybe these unexamined feelings may have been pushed
out of consciousness and later made their appearance through
the creative process of songwritting.  In turn, the listening
public picked up on this "energy" but wrongly identified it's
meaning.  

I think Brian's death brought up Paul and John's unresolved
feelings of their mother's deaths.  With all of the mood altering
substances they were ingesting at the time, I imagine they did
not even realize it.  However, when feelings are not expressed
or appropriately identified, they can have an effect on you 
behavior.  From what I've read, it was soon after Brian's death
that the group began started to experience internal struggle
and conflict.  Any thoughts?

Sorry if this was a bit heavy.

Joe D.

C
and conflict.
From: mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: McCartney Tour Dates ???
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:03:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.150520.17863@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>Please post any McCartney Tour Dates as soon as info is available....
>Thanks ! :>
>
>or...reply e-mail to above...

So then is it true? Is he really going to tour again? I have heard nothing      
up here in Seattle about it.  Please DO post or e-mail me with info!

-Denise mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu
*********
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER

(Did I mention I got a job in Critter Country??)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude, the album
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:23:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.165336.15760@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.180844.4670@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon) writes:
>
> "Hey Jude" was released in the U.S. in 2-70. "Abbey Road" was released in
>10-69.

Ah...The good old days. When an album like Hey Jude might follow an album
like Abbey Road by only four months...These days, they'd wait a couple
of years to release the singles collection, and then only as a stop-gap
measure to fill the three-four year lull between actual releases.

Not to mention the fact that no one releases good non-LP singles anymore,
so there aren't many albums like Hey Jude to release...

dap
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From: shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer Western Kentucky University)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon song
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:21:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr7.132142.1244
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


In article <1992Apr7.094429.7748@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, ireland@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> "The way things are goin', they're gonna' crucify me.". From "The Ballad
> of John and Yoko". Originally released as a single, and to the best of my
> knowledge, the only album release was on the "Blue Album" set (sort of a
> greatest Beatle hits for 1967 to 1970).

It was also on the American release of 'Hey Jude' and on the recent Past
Masters VOl. 2 CD

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From: UN037455@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Lennon song
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:33:21 GMT


 
Could somebody e-mail me the name of the song by John Lennon which contains
the lyrics "The way things are going, they're gonna crucify me" as well
as the album on which the song appeared?  Thanks. 
 
UN037455@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
From: rns@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: "Slippin' And Slidin'"
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:01:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: donner.1992Apr16.190139.12543
Reply-To: rns@cheers.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo


Recently Little Richard's "Slippin' And Slidin' (Peepin' And Hidin')" was
the answer to one of the questions in a lyrics quiz in rec.games.trivia.
This reminded me that I have heard (I think I have it on tape somewhere,
probably taped from the radio) a Beatles cover of this song.  I have never
seen it on any of their albums, and I couldn't find in Thomas Bowers'
"'THE' COMPLETE BEATLES DISCOGRAPHY" that I saved some time ago.  Can
someone tell me under what circumstances this song was recorded and whether
or not it appears on an album?  Since you experts know everything there is
to know about the Beatles, I don't expect this question to be too
challenging.  Could this be on a bootleg (I don't know much about Beatles
bootlegs)?  Would a radio station play a bootleg?

The song I hear in my head (I haven't heard it in quite a while) sounds like
John singing.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)
From: ostroy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Dan Ostroy )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: SHE LOVES YOU #1 ???
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:17:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs (Red Hill), Middletown, NJ


N. Jordan writes:
>
> I can give you #2 (from Billboard).
>
>RELEASE DATE  CHART PEAK  TITLE
>------------  ----------  -----------------------------------------------------
>  12-63           1       I Want To Hold Your Hand
>   3-64           1       Can't Buy Me Love
>   7-64           1       A Hard Day's Night
>  11-64           1       I Feel Fine
>

Can it be that "SHE LOVES YOU" was not released as a single in 1964.???
I have no real reference material at hand, and I am speaking only from personal
memory, but I distinctly recall that SLY knocked IWTHYH out of the number one
position in early spring of 64 and went on to set a record for consecutive
weeks at #1 as well as being the monster-hit of the year.   (According to the
1992 Hallmark Beatles calendar hanging on my wall, SLY hit #1 on March 21.)

(Our European friends will recall that in the US, SLY was re-released after
IWTHYH, the original release having flopped.)

Maybe Billboard was sleeping ?   There were far more than 4 Beatles songs in
the top 40 in 1964. 

Or maybe 40-year-olds really can't remember.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@isis.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno)
Subject: what about a LIES intro file?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:30:27 GMT


I was thinking at all the misinformation about the Fabs (metropolitan
legends and so on). Wouldn't be nice an INTRO file which collects some of
these, to be added to saki's distribution?

ciao! .mau.
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:49:38 GMT
Organization: NCSU Project Eos

In article <1992Apr5.164707.26705@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> alex@drax 
(Alex Measday posting for Don Sauter) writes:
>On 30Sep91, Saki mentions George muttering on "Don't Bother Me".  I 
>couldn't find it.  Where should I listen, either lyric-wise or 
>elapsed time-wise?

I think this is a reference to the "Too fast!" at the intro, previous to any
lyrics.  It's easier to hear it in a stereo mix, but once you know where it 
is you can find it in the mono, too.  (And I hear it on the mono CD, contrary 
to what some people have reported.)

--
Jay C. Smith
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