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From: sd7047787@v9000 (SD7047787)
Subject: need help on sun
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:27:00 GMT

Hi,
I have a few questions on Sun. Could someone please help me by answering
the questions below:

1. I read the Sun manual on the csh's command history feature. The way to
call the history commands seem to be the !! characters. Could someone tell
me how I can map this command history features to the arrow keys on the
numberic keypad? This is a very important and basic feature for the users.
Could someone please help!
2. How do I create an .au sound file? Or any ftp site where I can .au sound
file to play on our Sun stations?
3. I would like to have a login screen for our sun stations which present
user with a Sun logo or our LAN symbol whenever the station is free. I dunno
whether this is too much but I think there should be a way of doing this
since I've seen other workstations showing off their login screen instead of
the login prompt and empty screen.

Last but not least, I must thank all those who took the trouble to reply me
for my last posting of sun questions on the net. I have read up a few
workstations reference available in our library.
difficult to do so many things given this little time. a Therefore
ny advices or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 8-)

PS. If not too much of a trouble, please reply me directly at my email
address below. Thanx!


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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg)
Subject: Re: FTP Site for Intergraph
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Distribution: alt.sys.intergraph
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:54:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.075303.18542@nuscc.nus.sg> engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR)) writes:

>   I would support having an FTP Site for Intergraph.  In particular it would
>   be a good idea to open and have a useful resource of application and
>   technical notes as well as have program source viz MDL and PPL for users
>   who demand greater or productive use of the software systems.

I agree. It is a good idea. 
--
From:
Anders Hedborg				Internet: ahe@cadcam.kth.se
Royal Institute of Technology
Department of Manufacturing Systems
S-10044 Stockholm
SWEDEN

Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: nik@nik.b30.ingr.com (Nik Simpson)
Subject: Re: your mail
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:50:12 CST

>>
>>2) Most Intergraph customers are not connected to the net,
>>generally it is only large government and corporate
>>organisations. While these represent a large part of
>>Intergraph business they are not a large number numerically.
>>Alot of Intergraph business is to small users with two
>>or three seats. These type of customers have neither the
>>time, budget or inclination to get Internet access.
>>
>
>I find it hard to believe that "A lot of Intergraph businesses are to
>small users with two or three seats". In any case in some way this is
>besides the point. There is a difference between being reactive and proactive
>and like I said before the "small" effort it takes to set up anon ftp
>does not warrant such reactions. CIX is exploding, most Intergraph users
>I know in the area are all in the process of utilizing the internet. One
>of the main reasons consulting firms didn't have access was because of
>the internets AUP ( acceptable use policy). With the relaxing of this lately
>I feel this is only going to grow.

Whatever you might like to believe, the fact remains that getting
access to the Internet particularly outside the states is an expensive
business. Most customers are not connected and show little interest in
becoming connected.  Most of Intergraph sites that are on the net are
there because of the need of other parts of the business, not just for
the Intergraph installation.
>
>I agree with Nik that a comp.sys.. newgroup should be proposed by a customer
>and maybe the traffic doesn't warrant it yet.

If we carry on like this, I don't think traffic will be a problem :-)

>The Internet as a resource
>should be discussed at IGUG's, people educated and informed, and surely
>this is of some interest to Intergraph..
>
We have run seminars at past IGUGs on how to setup a newsfeed, in the
states this has had a limited amount of success. In Europe, I can count the
number of USENET aware customers on the fingers of one hand. By this I mean
customers who have got connections because they installed Intergraph kit as
opposed to customers who have traditionally been net aware.

Please don't misunderstand me, I think the following are all valuable
ideas:

1) Encouraging Intergraph customers to get net connections

2) A mechanism for exchanging PD software for the Intergraph
platform.

3) Creation of a comp.sys.intergraph





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| Systems Software Consultant.    Intergraph Corporation         |
| In life a foolish prating knave				   |
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: nik@nik.b30.ingr.com (Nik Simpson)
Subject: Re: public domain software
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:45:02 CST

>
>What PD programs are available for the Intergraph workstations not
>running x-windows and where can I get them? Utilities and games would
>be nice to see.
>
>Thanks.
>
By non X I assume you mean EnvironV based graphics? Apart from
that, what sort of utilities did you have in mind.


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| Nik Simpson        Mail  :      nik@ingr.ingr.com 	           |
| Systems Software Consultant.    Intergraph Corporation         |
| In life a foolish prating knave				   |
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: ken@point.b17d.ingr.com (Ken Poore)
Subject: Re: Intergraph as a better software company
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:24:28 GMT

engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR)) writes:


>Hello everyone

>I am putting up this subject as a matter of interest for all who have
>respect for Intergraph CAD/CAM software and who wish to see its commercial
>availability on other machines.  I am currently referring to the
>mechanical I/EMS based family as well as Microstation and
>Microstation-based packages.  To my best knowledge both systems are good
>technologically (EMS was probably *THE* first object-oriented CAD package
>back in 1987).

>In other not to be seen as over-flaming, I would say that currently users
>have difficulty embracing the price/performance of Intergraph's Clipper
>platforms as UNIX-based machines not just for CAD/CAM alone.  It may be
>that Intergraph's applications are well tuned to the Clipper and can
>perform equitably compared to other packages on other machines.  (We will
>never really know about such comparisons anyway).

>Without further ado, perhaps interested readers may like to help generate
>a more detailed discussion on this subject.

Are you aware of the announcements made by Intergraph at Autofact in November?

There Intergraph announced porting NT to the Clipper Platform as well
as porting MDEM products (including I/EMS) to the DEC Alpha running NT.

Also, all of Intergraph's engineering and mapping GIS software will 
be ported to Windows NT, including, of course, MicroStation.

>Shung-Hwee Bok (again)
>CAD/CAM Specialist
>National University of Singapore

>P.S.  This may be more related to general CAD discussion.  I haven't
>cross-posted as yet anyway.
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|ken@point.b30.ingr.com | Senior System Engineer/Benchmarks, Demos & Prototypes 
|..!ingr!b30!point!ken  | Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama 
* All opinions are mine and do not represent Intergraph or its subsidiaries  *
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: Bhupinder Singh <bsingh@CERF.NET>
Subject: Re: FTP Site for Intergraph
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 12:22:40 CST

>
>
>
>I would support having an FTP Site for Intergraph.  In particular it would
>be a good idea to open and have a useful resource of application and
>technical notes as well as have program source viz MDL and PPL for users
>who demand greater or productive use of the software systems.
>
>Shung-Hwee Bok
>CAD/CAM Specialist
>National University of Singapore
>

I agree, an anonymous ftp site for intergraph stuff would be a good idea.
I would also like to see the MicroStation BBS, MDL source mirrored there
as well....



how about it ingr ?


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Internet  - bsingh@cerf.net
MaBellnet - (818) 568-6107
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: sean@cae.wisc.edu (Sean Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Why no response from BSI or Intergraph
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:15:46 CST

>	I believe the reason we do not offer an ftp site for Intergraph
>customers are:
>
>	1) Tiny minority of customers have Internet access. I know this, 
>	   I maintain the alt.sys.intergraph mailing list, I doubt if
>	   there are more than 20 customers worldwide that subscribe to
>	   this mailing list.
>
>	2) Past experience has shown that allowing incoming connections

I suspect that there are far more than 20 customers following this newsgroup.
One reason for the lack of activity is the lack of feedback from Intergraph on
the newsgroup.  Look at any of the SGI newsgroups for a good give and take
feedback system.

Internet represents a great resource for spreading software routines around. 
You will never know what kind of response you will get unless you try.  There
are a number of very responsive vendors out there!


sean rutledge     "The computer can be a dipper with which to ladle
sean@cae.wisc.edu     out words of truth from a vast ocean of great
                         mysteries...."  Ikuro Choh, Digital Meditation
From: bmu@sbfdk.sbf.dk (Boerge Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:36:22 GMT
Organization: Great Belt ltd. Denmark

Insteed of having anon FTP, which IGR seem's not to like, why not
offer similar services in mail-server format then ?

(I think this was a question primarly to Nik)
See you

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Phone  : +45 3393 5200 x 222       | I don't know what the          |
Company: Great Belt Lmtd.          |   managment's opinion          |
E-mail : bmu@sbf.dk                |     is/are/was/will be etc.etc.|
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: bob@sparkie.nrri.umn.edu (Robert I. Benett)
Subject: Re: FTP Site for Intergraph
Organization: MN/DOT
Distribution: alt.sys.intergraph
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:22:45 GMT

In article <AHE.93Jan8105406@lola.cadcam.kth.se> ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.075303.18542@nuscc.nus.sg> engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR)) writes:
>
>>   I would support having an FTP Site for Intergraph.  In particular it would
>>   be a good idea to open and have a useful resource of application and
>>   technical notes as well as have program source viz MDL and PPL for users
>>   who demand greater or productive use of the software systems.
>
>I agree. It is a good idea. 
>--

Me, too!!!

Bob Bennett
Minnesota Department of Transportation
From: bmu@sbfdk.sbf.dk (Boerge Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Why no response from BSI or Intergraph
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:58:09 GMT
Organization: Great Belt ltd. Denmark

In article <1993Jan7.010857.19092@nuscc.nus.sg> engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR)) writes:
>
>Sorry I posted to the other subject " ... better software company" but
>this is it :  maybe through Intergraph or an active Integraph user in
>IGUG, another suggestion is put up a user group repository  as part of the
>FTP site.
>
>If anything, Intergraph will become a more widely known vendor even
>amongst non-Intergraph customers :-)  There is nothing to lose.
>

Why do we not see answers from BSI or Intergraph, we know you are
listening !!!!!!!!!


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Boerge Mueller  (Project manager CAD & Technical information systems)
Phone  : +45 3393 5200 x 222       | I don't know what the          |
Company: Great Belt Lmtd.          |   managment's opinion          |
E-mail : bmu@sbf.dk                |     is/are/was/will be etc.etc.|
From: bmu@sbfdk.sbf.dk (Boerge Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: FTP site for Intergraph
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:14:52 GMT
Organization: Great Belt ltd. Denmark

Hi Intergraph'ers

As far as I know, Intergraph's and Bentley's BBS's is not available
via FTP.

I would like to hear Intergraph/Bentley's and the rest of alt.sys.intergraph
user's oppinion an that topic. I think we are quite many here, that would
like such service?

P.S.Is there by any chance a way to access a kind of mail or FTP service.

See you
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From:
Boerge Mueller  (Project manager CAD & Technical information systems)
Great Belt Ltd.                    |--------------------------------|
Phone  : +45 3393 5200 x 222       | I don't know what the          |
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: cer@cer.b11.ingr.com (Catherine Bauman)
Subject: Re: 6.x baseline booting problems
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 08:47:12 CST

}
}
}Ever since we upgraded our workstations and servers to 6.x baseline (6 months
}or so ago) I've seen that when you try to reboot or shutdown the systems
}hang almost all the time.  Usually they complain about an NFS filesystem
}being busy.  Sometimes it is, sometimes only root is logged in.  Has anyone
}else seen this??  It doesn't seem like a big enough deal to log a call on.
}
}
}
}bob
}(218) 723-4914
}

Bob:

I haven't seen a response to this to date.  Could you please be more specific
and provide the versions for the UNIXBOOT and NFS products?  Thanks.
--
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Systems Software Support Services 		    Telephone (205) 730-4135
Systems Software Division			    FAX       (205) 730-9511
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:37:30 CST

In article <1993Jan09.114905.18097@SPM> you write:
|>
|> BTW is this alt newsgroup freely available at ingr ?

Yes.

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T.J. Higgins     | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com   | (205) 730-7922
Intergraph Corp. | Mapping Sciences Division | Huntsville, AL, USA
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: mikeyang@beam.Princeton.EDU (Michael Kuang-chung Yang)
Subject: Stereoptic Images?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:16:19 GMT


Hello.  Does anyone know of where I can get a pair of stereoptic pictures,
terrain perferably?

Thanks in advance,
Mike

Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: curley!dtmod@uunet.UU.NET (Modde)
Subject: FMLI Forms Interface
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:07:28 CST

Does anyone know of INGR documentation for the FMLI-based forms
interface. I'm looking for a good menu front-end to replace several
huge shell scripts that perform the same function. FMLI looks like a
decent alternative, but I'm also open to any suggestions on 3rd party
or public domain stuff that runs on Clipper.
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR))
Subject: Re: Why no response from BSI or Intergraph
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:03:03 GMT

sean@cae.wisc.edu (Sean Rutledge) writes:
: >	I believe the reason we do not offer an ftp site for Intergraph
: >customers are:
: >
: >	1) Tiny minority of customers have Internet access. I know this, 
: >	   I maintain the alt.sys.intergraph mailing list, I doubt if
: >	   there are more than 20 customers worldwide that subscribe to
: >	   this mailing list.
: >
: >	2) Past experience has shown that allowing incoming connections
: 
: >> I suspect that there are far more than 20 customers following this
newsgroup.
: >> One reason for the lack of activity is the lack of feedback from
Intergraph on
: >> the newsgroup.  Look at any of the SGI newsgroups for a good give and
take : feedback system.
: 
: >> Internet represents a great resource for spreading software routines
around. 
: >> You will never know what kind of response you will get unless you try. 
There : are a number of very responsive vendors out there!
: 
: 
:>>  sean rutledge     "The computer can be a dipper with which to ladle
:>>  sean@cae.wisc.edu     out words of truth from a vast ocean of great
:                          mysteries...."  Ikuro Choh, Digital Meditation
I would second that.  It is somehow quite lacking to not even try on the
part of Intergraph.

Bok

National University of Singapore
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: crbauman@cer.b11.ingr.com (Catherine Bauman)
Subject: Re: your mail
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:00:20 CST

}
}Does anyone know of INGR documentation for the FMLI-based forms
}interface. I'm looking for a good menu front-end to replace several
}huge shell scripts that perform the same function. FMLI looks like a
}decent alternative, but I'm also open to any suggestions on 3rd party
}or public domain stuff that runs on Clipper.
}--
}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
}
}||||||||||||     Dean T. Modde                 Systems Administrator
}|||             Fru-Con Engineering Inc.      Voice: (314)391-4404
}|||__|||||||     Ballwin, Mo. 63022            Fax:   (314)391-4513
}|||
}|||  |||||||          UUCP Mail:    !uunet!fcemoe!curley!dtmod
}|||  |||||||          Internet:     dtmod@frucon.com       -------
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}(()
}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
}

There is no documentation available from Intergraph for customers on FMLI.
Try checking with AT&T.  There are also some other alternative from Inter-
graph, such as FORMS and XFORMS that might prove useful to you.


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Systems Software Support Services 		    Telephone (205) 730-4135
Systems Software Division			    FAX       (205) 730-9511
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: brady@brady.b30.ingr.com (Brady P. Merkel)
Subject: Re: FMLI Information
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:50:02 CST

>Does anyone know of INGR documentation for the FMLI-based forms
>interface. I'm looking for a good menu front-end to replace several
>huge shell scripts that perform the same function. FMLI looks like a
>decent alternative, but I'm also open to any suggestions on 3rd party
>or public domain stuff that runs on Clipper.

Dean,

I believe that Intergraph's CDD carries the AT&T Documents on FMLI, but I
think they're for Intergraph internal only (perhaps required by AT&T license.)
I'm not sure if you can buy it. If you cannot purchase the FMLI docs from
Intergraph, consider calling AT&T. To get you started without the docs,
consider perusing the scripts provided by dsm, pconfig, or the XWINDOW
installation. It's fairly easy to get started, just start at the beginning. :-)

As an alternative, if you can utilize a graphical based interface, instead
of an alphanumeric one, then consider xtpanel (available from numerous anon-ftp
sites.) It's an X Window GUI scripting language that doesn't require much
programming wizardry. It has primitives to call system commands, so layering
it on top of current shell scripts is a breeze.

If you'd prefer to tackle X Widgets, then I suggest starting with Wcl (Widget
Creation Language) also available from numerous ftp sites. The latest version
of Wcl is 2.4. Starting with a very small C program (examples included), you
can fully prototype an entire application's look and feel, and then add in the
appropriate callbacks as you define them. Also, Wcl is toolkit independent, so
you can build pretty OSF/Motif applications with it (given that you have the
Motif product...)

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>
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR))
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:19:54 GMT

My question is also that how much application stuff from MDEM and
Microstation will there be.  The CD thing is too slow :-(.  All I would
say is that Intergraph is a traditionally conservative.

Bok
National University of Singapore
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: simons/G=Kim/I=K/S=Ieong/O=H.A.Simons.Ltd/OU=PACIFIC@mhs.attmail.com
Subject: RE:
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:50:52 CST

You have my vote for the creation of comp.sys.intergraph.

Kim Ieong
H.A. Simons Ltd.
Vancouver, BC
Kim_Ieong@simons@mhs.attmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph