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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:10:55 GMT
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep27.165910.22464@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
]> at least have an idea what sabers are. Clinton confuses Patriot
]> anti-aircraft missiles with Tomahawk cruise missiles. That's not a
]> good sign for someone responsible for military preparedness and
]> military action.
]
]On the other hand, I think I read somewhere that no less a personage
]than the guy next in line for the job of C-in-C, Vice President Dan
]Quayle, made exactly the same error in responding to Clinton's error
]that you did -- it's neither the Patriot anti-aircraft missile nor the
]Tomahawk cruise missile that matches Clinton's description of "going
]down airshafts and in through windows" or whatever it was that he
]said; it's the variety of "smart bombs" in the U.S. arsenal.

Quayle said "cruise missile" - not "Tomahawk cruise missile." The
cruise missiles do indeed go in through windows (see the gulf war
video from a Tomahawk land attack missile).
-- 
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john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - If a field of study has the word "science" in it - it isn't a science - -
 - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
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From: varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:15:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <1992Sep28.162222.7100@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>>       To some women, pregnancy is a wonderful thing - the creation of
>> life - something sacred. To others it is an inconvenience.
>I can't help but remember asking you if you thought morning sickness,
>gestational diabetes, etc. were merely inconvenient.  Why couldn't you
>respond to those questions?

	Mainly because you didn't ask them.
	But to your questions. I realize that the complications of
pregnancy are more than just inconvenient. But they are not as bad 
as death (exceptions noted, and spoken on many times over). Abortion
always ends in death. I would not kill someone to cure myself of 
a sickness (especially a non-chronic, non-lethal one). No one should be
allowed to do so.

>Well, I'll tell you what I think of your charge: you are being extremely
>judgemental and condemning about situations that you are in no position to
>evaluate.  Tell you what: you get in a woman's face as she enters a clinic
>that provides abortions and make that statement; we'll start a pool over
>how far you'll land from the place you were standing.

	Why am I in no position to evaluate it? Because I have not been in
the situation myself? I have spoken on the invalidity of that reasoning
before. Hmm. Have you ever been pregnant? Your opinion is worthless I
guess then. Shut up.

			Bruce
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Re: All deficits are not created equal.
Reply-To: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:00:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.043630.18718@athena.mit.edu>, jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:
|> In article <NELSON.92Oct4214503@cheetah.clarkson.edu> nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct2.235319.4749@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
|> >
|> >   There is nothing inherently wrong with a deficit; it
|> >   depends upon how the deficit is funded and what the
|> >   money is spent on.
|> >
|> >Right.  The problem with our deficit is that it was spent on useless
|> >armaments instead of productive investments.
|> 
|> Many people (those in Kuwait, those in the former Soviet Union, those in
|> Eastern Europe, those in Germany, Britain, France, would question the accuracy
|> of the word useless in that statement.
|> 
|> For thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of educated workers, who worked 
|> in defense industry firms (and all their subcontractors), these
|> were very productive investments.  It gave america huge technological 
|> advantages in lots of areas over most other nations--the task now is to
|> shift that technology to other industries.
|> 

How many of you out there think the deficit spending so rampant in the 1980's and to
this day where elaborate schemes to:

  a)  win the cold war

  b)  spur economic growth

  c)  win elections by taking money out of non-voters hands to make life more
      pleasent (in appearance and for the short term) for voters.


-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu        
Rice University                    
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr          
XUV Holographic Microscope Project
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,logic.bizarre
Subject: Re: Clinton doesn't understand business (was: A SAD JOKE!)
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:01:12 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

Jeb: investigated in 1984 by the House Government Operations
committee for manipulating HUD and Health & Human Services for
favorable contracts for International Medical Centers.

George Jr.: questionable business and stock manipulation involving
Harken Energy.

Neil: Silverado S&L.  The closure delay until after the '88 election
may have cost tax payers $1b.

[Mother Jones, Sept/Oct 1992, "Family Value$" (cover story).  The New
Republic, April 3, 1989, "The Brothers Bush."]

What business ethics and other family values did Bush pass onto his
sons?





--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
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From: barryc@mpd.tandem.com (Barry Chalcroft)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex
Subject: Re: That Legal right over Gambit...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:37:42 GMT
Reply-To: barryc@malamute.UUCP (Barry Chalcroft)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: /etc/organization

Let me see, Clinton is Governor and Qayle was a Senator and is VP. That`s
serving the country, maybe not militarily but IT IS serving the country.
You don`t have to join the military to serve your country (how about the 
Peace Corps or VISTA ?). I`d just as soon drop the draft question, that, 
just like what one did or didn`t (or does..) smoke or take in College is 
not really what matters.

What matters is the future for our country, do we continue with the same
old ideas that haven`t worked in 12 years or do we start thinking about 
tomorrow. I`ve got 3 kids, been laid off 3 times in the  past 12 years (in 
the computer/electronics field) and don`t see anything from the incumbents
that makes me feel optimistic about their plans for this country. Hasn`t
worked for me in the past. 

On the other hand Clinton/Gore have plans for better public education 
(the only kind most people can afford), lifetime education and retraining, 
health care reform, enviromental issues (a field just loaded with opportunity
for the US), and rebuilding our infrastructure (jobs,jobs,jobs). 

Yes, I'll pay more taxes if need be. I`m not rich but I sure as hell don`t 
mind paying to keep people employed, educated and healthy. It`s alot cheaper
than welfare, crime, and ignorance. 


-- 
Barry D. Chalcroft / N5NWI       Let`s start thinking about tomorrow...
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       76500.2177@compuserve.com         ****   Clinton/Gore `92  ****
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Some more about 'RIGHTS'
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
|> Peter Nelson) writes:
|> 
|> >  Sorry, you're wrong too.  You will have a hard time coming up with any
|> >  kind of defensible proof of "intrinsic rights", as opposed to rights
|> >  merely granted or defined by social consensus.
|> >
|> 
|> Yes I do agree with your point on a philosophical level.  But I could pose a
|> question as; Do you feel that you have the 'inherent' right to be free
|> of mental/physical persecution?  And i would think your response would be
|> yes.  We must look at the concept of 'inherent' rights a general consensus
|> of individuals perceptions as you indicated above.
|> 
|> Again I agree that it is a difficult to define the situation about the
|> scope and origin of individual rights.
|> 
|> It was my mistake not to make my position or definition of 'inherent' clearer.

I think you have only pointed out examples of rights that would be 
desirable, but not inherent.  I could define a society where by the time
anyone is old enough to make such selections, they are dependant on
mental or physical persecution.  Many battered children and wives
are in this state.

I'd have to agree with Peter that "a" society determines what the
inherent rights will be in "that" society.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Cable Regulation [Was BUSH LOSES VETO FIGHT!!]
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:08:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <70165@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:

> What better pre-election gift from Santa Congress to the "entitlement
> junkies" than the promise to lower their precious cable bill!  Never -
> NOT ONCE - did I ever hear anyone in the media suggest that you simply
> cancel your subscription if it's too expensive.  People think they're
> bloody ENTITLED to low-cost cablevision, as if it were a necessity of
> life!

It's worse.  The Cable bill is a gift to the networks from Congress.
It forces cable systems to carry all local signals -- and then _PAY_
the stations whose signals they are carrying.  And you think your
cable bills are going to go _DOWN_????
-- 
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my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Subsidies for Roads and Cars in the USA
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:30:17 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.163806.2832@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.231059.4394@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
...
>>	The "other" sources do *not* equate to a subsidy.  How else do you
>>propose that a city maintain it's roads other than by a property tax mechanism? 
>>Set up toll booths at each driveway? :)  How should townships and
>>municipalities pay for roads other than through bond issues?  Attributing a
>>claim to the "opposition", then knocking down that claim in an effort to
>>support yet another method is a time honored tactic.  But it is still faulty
>>logic.
> 
> One method used in some states is annual motor vehicle exise taxes,
> which are collected and used by municipalities to pay for road
> construction and maintenance.

	The problem with that is that is does not tax per actual usage.  A
person who drives 1 mile a year is taxed the same as a person who drives
100,000 miles.

	A solution, if you are interested in charging per mile driven to gauge
wear and tear, is to add a little more functionality to the current computers
in cars.  These can (already do :) keep track of the milage driven, which can
then be translated into a use fee.  No need to set up monitors on highways,
either.  Simply charge per axle for each mile driven.  You can get more complex
if you want to, tying the weight of the vehicle into the calculation.  Trucks
should be charged by their load limit or (if they use computerized tracking) by
the actual loads carried.
	The fee determination can be done once a year (in conjunction with a 
pollution/safety inspection, even).  If you'd rather see the money come in
during the course of the year, then the computers can be made to spit out
mileage info during each fuel-up at gas stations.  And the tax added to the fuel
bill.

	Gosh, a whole new area for computer fraud.... :)

Brett                                                      
_______________________________________________________________________________
Proconsul Computer Consulting                                        CHA-CHING!
Better, Cheaper, Faster					       (Pick any two :)
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From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Cable Regulation [Was BUSH LOSES VETO FIGHT!!]
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:47:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <9210060146.AA58813@sub.its.rpi.edu> buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>I just saw on CNN that Bush's 36th veto was just over-ridden. So the Cable
>Regulation Bill becomes law despite Bush. Of course it is unclear whether
>cable rates will go up or down, but Bush losing a veto fight seems like a
>progressive result.

PROGRESSIVE RESULT?  This has got to be one of the most disgusting examples
of government interference.  The way congress pandered to the public (and
especially the networks), embarrassed the President, and infringed on the
rights of the cable companies in one fell swoop is a tribute to the type
of scum that inhabit our legislative branch.  What better pre-election
gift from Santa Congress to the "entitlement junkies" than the promise to
lower their precious cable bill!  Never - NOT ONCE - did I ever hear anyone
in the media suggest that you simply cancel your subscription if it's too
expensive.  People think they're bloody ENTITLED to low-cost cablevision, as
if it were a necessity of life!  The locals interviewed generally responded
something like this [in your best red-neck, "Bubba" accent]:  "It just
ain't far that I gotta pay 40 bucks a month for my M-T-V!"  Combined with the
fact that so many people this election year think Clinton is going to 
significantly improve their lives, this bill well illustrates the selfish
idiocy rife within the American public.

-- 
Sean P. Ormond
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7994a
Internet: gt7994a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-LIV-FREE if you want to nuke Washington DC
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:48:54 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1992Oct2.183320.27009@newshost.unh.edu>, pas@anchor.unh.edu sez:
>In article <1992Oct1.164937.1374@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>>I hope it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that Ipser posts from
>>Singapore, which "enjoys" so freedom-loving a government that the Wall
>>Street Journal was banned there a few years ago.  I won't even bother
>>recounting the story of my Singaporean college classmate who was
>>arrested and held without charges for several months.
>
>Exactly what, I wonder, was supposed to be the point of the above
>paragraph? Other than to demonstrate Mark's grasp of the international
>scene, of course.

The point is whatever you want it to be, you hermeneutical wonder.  If
the fact that Ipser chose to relocate to a repressive regime in order
to earn his keep -- posting all the while about the oppressiveness of
government generally -- is of no significance to you, Paul, then just
ignore me and live free.  Or die.

-- 
		The sleep of reason begets Limbaughs.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: JZ lands in a Hot LZ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:10:09 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct1.211901.28023@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

> Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide:

>> Lot (he of the salty wife) sent his two daughters out to be raped by
>> the perverse populace of Sodom 'n' Gomorrah when they rioted outside
>> his door ... I guess that was acceptable then,

Actually, it starts in Gen. 18, where the Lord appears to Abraham.
Abraham encounters 3 men (one of them presumably the Lord) at his tent
door.  He offers them a chance to get cleaned up and rested, and sets
a table for them, and then the Lord promises Abraham a son through his
wife Sarah (who is now far too old to have children).  As the three
men left, Abraham took them along their way.  And then (it says) the
men turned and went towards Sodom while the Lord talked with Abraham.
It is here where Abraham bargained with God over Sodom and Gomorrah
("if there be 10 righteous men found there, I will not destroy the
city").

Ch. 19 starts with 2 angels coming to the gate of Sodom at dusk
(presumably 2 of the "men" who had visited Abraham earlier).  Lot
meets them and offers to take them in for the night, but they say, no,
they're going to spend the night in the street -- which is kind of
like camping out in Central Park [or insert your typical high-crime
area here] overnight.  Lot insists, and they come in with him.
Meanwhile, the men of the city gather at Lot's door and ask for the 2
visitors "so that they might 'know' them" [i.e., perform buggery upon
them].  Lot then offers his 2 virgin daughters, but the Sodomites
would have none of it (presumably like the denizens of the Castro
district).  If Lot isn't giving up the 2 men, they're going to take
him instead.  So the 2 angels smote the men of the city with blindness
and told Lot to get out of the city because God is going to destroy
it, and don't even look back.

Lot leaves with his wife and daughters, God destroys the city, Lot's
wife looks back and becomes a pillar of salt.  (And then Lot's
daughters get him rip-roaring drunk and then "go in with him" to
preserve his seed, because they thought there was no man left in the
earth for them.)

_THIS_ is what God thinks of homosexuality.  Let's get it right, why
don't we?
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The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: And Hence Abortion is NOT Murder
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:59:34 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:
]
] 	BTW, life of the mother and rape exceptions are CONSISTENT exceptions. 
] Incest, if it was also rape, is consistent as well; but allowing abortions for
] children incestuously conceived between two consenting adults would be an
] INCONSISTENT exception (and therefore one I would oppose).
] 
] Steve

If abortion is Murder
then

you are allowing an innocent to be murdered because
someone raped someone...


OR:

The genetic product of a Rape is NOT a Person,
and hence is NOT murdered by an Abortion...

which is it now?

ciao
drieux

ps: I am so glad that so many antiAbortionists are
convinced that the narrowcasting of their positions
is a valid means of discussion of a pressing political
issue, and that we should NOT consture the abortion 
debate to be a relevant topic during a campaign year.



-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
From: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Campaign '92 Documents Available--FREE
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:10:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
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