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From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Greasy decks?
Keywords: budapest, oil, cleansing, grease
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:51:47 GMT
Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA

>She is the first person I've heard of who doesn't attach
>any special meaning to if a card is reversed. 

I've heard of those who do and those who don't; when I read, I don't use
"reversed meanings"... I just take into account all the possibilities the
card offers, both positive and negative.  Often times when I turn over the
cards, I can "feel" if they're right side up or upside down.  Some, when I
turn them so that they're face up, I turn from right to left, without
changing the reversal of the card (usually I do this when it "feels" like
it's right-side up already)... some I turn from bottom to top, which
reverses the card... this usually happens when it "feels" upside down.  Tis
way I can practice my "hunches" and how to tune into those feelings, which
in turn prepares me for reading the cards...

>What I really wanted to ask about was that she recommends using a
>"cleansing oil" before touching the cards. There were several oils
>mentioned as cleansing, but the only one I can remember right now, was
>van-van oil. Do people do this? If so, how do you prevent the cards
>from getting greasy and stained? Or do you accept greasy cards? Maybe
>it even enhances the deck for you? I'm really curious about this
>recommendation. 

Did she recommend _putting_it_on_your_hands_?  MOst of the time when people
say that, they just mean, put a few drops of oil on your body so the scent
goes through you, and centers you for reading.  I'm assuming that is what
she means when she says "cleansing oil"... not rubbing your hands with it. 
I could be wrong...
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Ciaran, hi!
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:06:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <060193011247@cemmac02.cem.msu.edu> Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of Ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
>     How many cards are in a R.W. deck?

The R.W. deck, like most Tarot decks consist of 80 cards.  14 * 4 = 56
court cards + 24 Trumps.


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From: dantonio@magick.enet.dec.com (David D'Antonio)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Same Old Path
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:35:26 GMT
Organization: None to speak of...
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dantonio@flashy.tay2.dec.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: magick.tay2.dec.com


In article <tx1rv-c@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
|>In article <-080193033057@cemmac15.cem.msu.edu> Edge of insanity c/o Abyss of ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
|>>     I'd really like to hear what an experienced owner of this particular
|>>deck thinks of it in terms of readability and uniqueness.
|>
|>Most of what makes a particular deck readable is not the particular deck, I've
|>seen people do a reading with a deck of blank cards, one with a deck of regular
|>playing cards. 
|>What makes readability is the reader. Some decks are good for Some people,
|>Some decks are better for Other people :)

I'll certainly agree with this. If for no other reason, having a deck
you like will makeit alot easier to practice and play with them which
will, in turn, make it easier to remember the "standard" meanings. Of
course, alot of Tarot comes from within and so the more practice, the
better the chances of hearing that little voice...Or so they tell me. :-)

|>Unique? Dunno about that. Its different, but not unique. There are a couple of
|>really unique decks out there- the Secret Dakini Oracle is one, There is another
|>one, but I don't remember what its called, it has hand drawn pictures on it
|>like 'Do-Wacky-Do' and funky stuff like that- quite a unique deck there :)

Perhaps you're thinking of the Creative Whack Pack??

DDA

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    My partner's been pleasure, my partner's been pain
				-Stevie Nicks
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Ciaran, hi!
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:09:14 GMT
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>The R.W. deck, like most Tarot decks consist of 80 cards.  14 * 4 =
>56 court cards + 24 Trumps.

um, all three of my tarot decks have 78 cards (14 * 4 minors, 22
majors).
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From: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu (Rick Banghart, IPTV)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Ciaran, hi!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:00:05 GMT
Reply-To: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1993Jan6.210628.28948@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes...
>In article <060193011247@cemmac02.cem.msu.edu> Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of Ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
>>     How many cards are in a R.W. deck?
> 
>The R.W. deck, like most Tarot decks consist of 80 cards.  14 * 4 = 56
>court cards + 24 Trumps.

Huh?  I haven't got my decks here, but I'm 99.99% sure that
most decks have 22 Trumps, making a total of 78 cards in the
deck.

Rick
> 
> 
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From: dantonio@magick.enet.dec.com (David D'Antonio)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Greasy decks?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:44:02 GMT
Organization: None to speak of...
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dantonio@flashy.tay2.dec.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: magick.tay2.dec.com
Keywords: budapest, oil, cleansing, grease


In article <1993Jan10.115148.3744@nic.csu.net>, beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner) writes:
|>From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
[...]
|>>She is the first person I've heard of who doesn't attach
|>>any special meaning to if a card is reversed. 
|>
|>I've heard of those who do and those who don't; when I read, I don't use
|>"reversed meanings"... I just take into account all the possibilities the
|>card offers, both positive and negative.  Often times when I turn over the
|>cards, I can "feel" if they're right side up or upside down.  Some, when I
|>turn them so that they're face up, I turn from right to left, without
|>changing the reversal of the card (usually I do this when it "feels" like
|>it's right-side up already)... some I turn from bottom to top, which
|>reverses the card... this usually happens when it "feels" upside down.  Tis
|>way I can practice my "hunches" and how to tune into those feelings, which
|>in turn prepares me for reading the cards...

The spread I use most (a variant of the GD spread) doesn't use
reversed meanings; instead it uses the "influence" of the cards around
the card in question. Each suit positively affects some suits and
negatively affects others. I've also heard of styles where the
reversed meanings aren't used at all...As you say, it's often the
hunches that are important.

[oil discussion deleted]

DDA

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    My partner's been pleasure, my partner's been pain
				-Stevie Nicks

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From: cm113@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex R. Henkel)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Help Wanted: Neo-Nazi Computer Games for Sociology Project
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:35:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cm113@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex R. Henkel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Even with the rise of neo-Nazi violence in Germany, there are still many
people that believe that Nazi hate crimes are a thing of the past. "That
was fifty years ago," people say, "What does that have to do with _us_
_now_?"

As part of a sociology project, I would like to put together a collection
of Neo-Nazi computer games to demonstrate that there still are many people
out there who have sick, twisted minds. I will be using these games for
their shock value, so the more graphic and disturbing, the more effective
my presentation will be.

I have read a report, put out by the Simon Wiesenthal Center several years
ago, that talked about these games. Does the Wiesenthal Center still have
copies of any of the games mentioned in the report? If anyone knows who I
should contact, please e-mail me at the address below, or forward this
letter to the proper person.

Thank you,

Alex Henkel

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From: raja@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Raja Vishnubhotla)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Exports and imports
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:34:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

I am posting this message for my brother in India. He is interested in
exports and imports of various consumable and engineering items. Those
who are interested please send email to the following address or post it
under this news group. 


Raja@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:48:21 GMT

In article <44890012@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:
>In alt.business.multi-level, Eli.Mantel@launchpad.unc.edu (Eli Mantel) writes:
>
>> My only connection with Amway is that I went to a local opportunity
>> meeting.  My major point to anyone considering Amway or any similar
>> opportunities is:  DON'T look at the "circles"... look at the product,
>> and the product pricing.  Make no committment to participate until
>> they show you the product prices, and you are convinced that it both
>> represents a value to the consumer (or even to you personally at the
>> wholesale prices).  Don't try to guess what your PV/BV may be worth,
>> because you may not necessarily be eligible for them.  

>I don't understand why Eli says "DON'T look at the "circles"".  To me,
>this is indeed the most interesting part of the business.  You will find
>the products to be of exceptional quality and a good value.  Amway could
>not be in business for 33 years with volume of $4Billion and have a
>money back guarantee unless their products were excellent.  The "circles"
>is where the real income potential is.  The "circles" describe what
>multi-level marketing is all about.  

I'm going to disagree with you about 'exceptional quality and a good
value'.

I'd but the products at good or okay quality,  but not top line, and
the values better than retail, but more than you would pay for with
agressive buying.

Amway looked good to me until I got into it, and then started doing
comparisons.   It appears the products are geared toward the 'average'
buyer - and if there is something you want that is 'top-of-the-line'
you have to go elsewhere to get it.

And there is the line 'would not be in business for 33 years with volume 
of $4 billion and have a money back guarantee unless their products
were excellent'.

Product 'excellence' has nothing to do with that - good/okay/average
product is all that takes - in other words it has to be good enough to
satisfy the average person - but no better.

I can think of one other major American corporation who also does about
$4 billion/year and who offers a 30 day money back no questions asked
guarantee - but whose products are quite often ridiculed by others as
being overpriced and/or lower quality.    Care to guess who that might
be.  Hint - they have lots of retail stores.

-- 
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                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow)
Subject: Who knows this group best?
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:10:27 GMT


Could the originator of this group, or whoever thinks they act as a 
kind of custodian of this group please contact me by email.

I have a serious question about posting a particular article and do
not want to step over the boundaries of the group's defined role.

If you are not the originator but feel you understand what can 
acceptably be posted then I would also like to hear from you.

Many thanks

Steve Ladlow
steve@unipalm.co.uk
From: murrays@Tymnet.COM (Scott Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Work at Home??
Keywords: Work at Home
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:34:56 GMT
Organization: BT North America, San Jose CA.

Hi Everyone,

I keep seeing these ads for making $$$ by working at
home. There normally reading books or assembling
something. They all offer a list of companies that
are hiring, for a small deposit of $20-50.
Has anyone gotten one of these lists and are they
worth the time. I'm only intrested in part time work
at home for some extra spending $$.

Thanks for any info

Scott
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Who knows this group best?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:23:41 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan5.141027.10285@unipalm.co.uk>, steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow) writes:
> 
> Could the originator of this group, or whoever thinks they act as a 
> kind of custodian of this group please contact me by email.
> 
> I have a serious question about posting a particular article and do
> not want to step over the boundaries of the group's defined role.
> 
> If you are not the originator but feel you understand what can 
> acceptably be posted then I would also like to hear from you.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Steve Ladlow
> steve@unipalm.co.uk
>  
> 
Dear Steve...
I think that whatever your article is about...why don't you just post it.
It is great that you were curious about boundaries of this group before posting
I think MLM'ers are very many sided kind of people so just shoooooot!
Thank you
Greg Voykhansky -full time MLM'er
(913)749-5792
(913)832-2417 fax
(913)841-1777 fax -for confidential msg. only-

From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:22:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Organization: HP in Mt View, CA
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

In alt.business.multi-level, Eli.Mantel@launchpad.unc.edu (Eli Mantel) writes:

> My only connection with Amway is that I went to a local opportunity
> meeting.  My major point to anyone considering Amway or any similar
> opportunities is:  DON'T look at the "circles"... look at the product,
> and the product pricing.  Make no committment to participate until
> they show you the product prices, and you are convinced that it both
> represents a value to the consumer (or even to you personally at the
> wholesale prices).  Don't try to guess what your PV/BV may be worth,
> because you may not necessarily be eligible for them.  

I don't understand why Eli says "DON'T look at the "circles"".  To me,
this is indeed the most interesting part of the business.  You will find
the products to be of exceptional quality and a good value.  Amway could
not be in business for 33 years with volume of $4Billion and have a
money back guarantee unless their products were excellent.  The "circles"
is where the real income potential is.  The "circles" describe what
multi-level marketing is all about.  

I guess you need to focus on what your goals are.  If you want to make
just what the "average" distributor makes then ignore the circles -
80% of all Amway distributors _never_ share the business opportunity (try
to sponsor other people).  They merely buy for themselves and maybe sell
a little to some customers (family).  If all you want to do is make 
enough to go out for a nice dinner once a month then retail sales of
the products will work for you - so, focussing on the products may be
justified.

If on the other hand you are interested in long term financial gain,
then building a network of distributors is the way to go - so concentrate
on the "circles".  Amway rewards its distributors for moving volume -
having a large network of distributors is the best way to create that
volume.  This volume creation is aided by the diverse product line that
Amway offers - 14,000 products and services from over 300 manufacturers
(Amway carries more than just Amway products).

> wholesale prices).  Don't try to guess what your PV/BV may be worth,
> because you may not necessarily be eligible for them.  

A distributor is _always_ eligible for his PV/BV.  The PV/BV worth is
well published in Amway's SA4400 form, approved by the FTC.

> 				Dream Thief
> 				Eli Mantel (eli.mantel@launchpad.unc.edu)

Eli, you are a "Dream Thief"?  Why would you want to steal people's dreams?
How horrible.  The Amway business is all about helping people achieve
their dreams.
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Subject: Re: business teleconferences
Keywords: Teleconference, MLM Business
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: World
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:43:41 GMT

In article <david.hoisve.138.726536827@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU> david.hoisve@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.084729.16843@csus.edu> monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor) writes:
>
>>I'm not sure what you are asking...the MLM that I'm involved with has one
>>every Tuesday evenings at 8pm your local time and runs about 20 mins.
>
-------------->Are any of these available by satellite?  
>
     -----  Some stuff deleted -------
>
>-- Dave.

Nope...  The company is providing the service to the distributors for a limited
       time.  They want to help make this year (#4th) the best year yet.  I 
       understand most MLM's don't make it past the 2nd or 3rd.  The cost of
       the service is paid by corporate not the distributors...the caller must
       pay for the call.



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Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Subject: Re: business teleconferences
Followup-To: alt.business.multi-level
Summary: Teleconference
Keywords: Teleconference, MLM Business
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: World
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:47:29 GMT

In article <38112@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>Hi!
>
>I have a question: Are there any business nets, business teleconferences,
>etc. in US (except this news group :-) and how one can access them via
>e-mail, FTP, modem?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>                   Victor
>
>E-mail: lobanov@pine.circa.ufl.edu

I'm not sure what you are asking...the MLM that I'm involved with has one
every Tuesday evenings at 8pm your local time and runs about 20 mins.

Format is as follows:
                      1) A brief corporate history.
                      2) Product profiles.
                      3) Marketing presentation.
                      4) Special guest testimonials.
                      5) 10-minute Business Building Training section.
                      6) Close.

Is this what your interested in?


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Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: chrisg@teal.csn.org (Christian Gibbons)
Subject: Business Information on Internet
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:22:07 GMT

I am a librarian for the economic development department at the city of
Littleton, Colorado, and we use online commercial databases to provide
information to our businesses. We recently subscribed to Internet, and I
am trying to become familiar with the best resources for businesses. I
would like any pertinent information on using Internet to find business
information. I am familiar with Clarinet. Please email me if you know of
any valuable sources. 

Thanks. chrisg@csn.org
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: david.hoisve@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU
Subject: Re: business teleconferences
Summary: Teleconference
Keywords: Teleconference, MLM Business
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:47:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.084729.16843@csus.edu> monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor) writes:

>I'm not sure what you are asking...the MLM that I'm involved with has one
>every Tuesday evenings at 8pm your local time and runs about 20 mins.

Are any of these available by satellite?  

I've caught a few -- on G6, SBS 6 (Ku), and S1.  However, I allways seem to 
stumble in somewhere in the middle.  

Any information about interesting MLM opportunity shows would be greatly 
appreciated.

-- Dave.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: bclegg@actrix.gen.nz (Bob Clegg)
Subject: Edgar Case??
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:59:12 GMT
Summary: News group or other discussion?



Does anybody know of any forum where the work of Edgar case is
discussed?
I am especially interested if there is anyone of comparable
abilities alive today?
Thanks in advance
Bob Clegg