HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: heard through the grapevine
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:49:20 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>>A city bus driver told a friend recently that many of her 
>>co-workers smoke marijuana on the job to relieve the physical 
>>discomfort of driving long shifts.  Apparently driving is very 
>>physically stressful as well as psychologically, and drivers 
>>often develop acute muscal and joint soreness from sitting for
>>long hours behind the wheel.  However, prescription drugs which 
>>would alleviate the pain would also cause physical impairment which is 
>>a no-no behind the wheel.  So, most of the drivers smoke dope, 
>>which apparently does not impair driving.
>
>Bullshit.  It does impair driving -- especially in large quantities or with
>inexperienced users.  Like alcohol, but not as bad.

you got the key phrase correct; inexperienced users. I've read of studies
where experienced users actually drive _better_ after use than before. While
inexperienced users fare much worse while under the influence. 
IMHO it allows the experienced user to concentrate better on any _one_ task
at hand, driving, mathematics, .

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dc@ais.org (David Daniels)
Subject: Wanted (2things): Designs & Prices ...
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:44:20 GMT


Instead of making two more posts, I'll just put uup one here... 
First, if you have any designs for bowls, bongs, and pipes of anysort lying
around, and it wouldn't be an inconvience, I'd appreciate it if you could
e-mail them to me (dc@ais.org).
Second, If you know the prices of the mushroom and marijuanan growers
(normal and hydro), I'd appreciate it if you could e-mail me them.. (Just a
couple out of the back of high times.. I'll get ahold of the magazine for
more information.. just wondering about the price range...)
Thanks in advance...
DC@ais.org

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From: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com (Craig Presson)
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Reply-To: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:16:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.193833.17396@infonode.ingr.com> fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:


   Hello all,


       I have a question for the Libertarians.  To start off, I am a member of
   the party and believe in most Libertarian ideals.
[...]
       He claims that crime will not decrease but will simply shift
   in focus.  Crime would shift from drugs to gambling, prostitution or some
   new field.
When the LP Platform is enacted they will have to move farther afield
than that, as consensual prostitution and gambling would also be legal.

  He claims that the people who are in the drug trade are criminals
   to the bone and will seek a new field if the drug trade become unprofitable. 
   As an example, an under educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer or user from
   south central L. A. is not suddenly going take up compter science because drugs 
   are legal. He will instead find a new black market to make money in. 

No, he will be able to make money in the One Big Black Market (the
Free Market). The only criminal markets will be those for theft and
assault, and those will be much more dangerous to stay in as some of
the energy being poured into the WoD could revert to real police work.
Not to mention the increased prevalence of proficient gun ownership
among peaceful citizens, victims no more. Our hypothetical "under
educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer (he should make up his mind! The
only poor drug dealers are those who also use the hard stuff, or are
*really* incompetent) or user" from South Central L.A. has something
he's good at, that people will pay him to do, if the gov't didn't make
it illegal or tax or regulate it to the point that he can't afford to
do it.

This is yet another ingr-to-USENET-to-ingr post. If you're not on the
local party mailing list, call Jeff Johnson at 461-8679 and he'll fix
it. If I've met you and your name didn't register, paint my face red
and call me your favorite term for "typical socially inept nerd".

-- Craig Presson
Free enterprise: A huge area of the American economy still noticeable
to observers with peripheral vision after they subtract the public
sector, conglomerates, federally supported agriculture, monopolies,
duopolies, and oligopolies.                   -- Bernard Rosenberg

--
--  *************************-><-*************************
    ** Craig Presson              pressonc@ingr.com     **
    ** Intergraph Corporation             MS CR1104     **
    ** Huntsville, AL 35894-0001     (205) 730-6176     **
    *************************-><-*************************




Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 10:03:47 GMT

pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares) writes:

>A few days ago, in response to a joke about people being either "pro-satan
>or anti-satan", I wrote:
>> 
>>	I'm pro-God, and I don't think you should be allowed to discuss
>>the merits or even the alternative of satan-loving on a network that is
>>partially government-funded.
>> 

>	For the many, many of you out there who flamed me for this, I have
>one thing to say:

>                            *  I was kidding. *

>I was making a joke. Ha ha. Hee hee. Chuckle, chuckle. It was just an offhand
>thing, inspired by the abortion "gag rule" which I happened to be thinking
>about at the time.

>	I even changed the "anti-satan" from the post I was following up into
>"pro-God", as a joke about the anti-abortion activists who call themselves
>pro-life (which is like calling yourself pro-breathing :). Anyway, apparently
>the joke was too obscured, and I definitely won't do it again without some
>indication that I am kidding. To tell the truth, I had thought about it, but

Why not do it again? It sure made for an interesting discussion. However,
let there be praise for Peter's talent of mimicking the fundis so well that
no-one notices :-)


     Ulrich Mayring

       - Also wir waren mit grau eigentlich sehr zufrieden -     

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:41:09 GMT

In article <w+bn1_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>
>> providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
>> tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
>
>The obvious question: if the city knows that drugs are being sold, why
>they hell don't they get rid with the dealer instead of making a civilian
>do it?

For the obvious reasons: they don't have enough evidence to get an arrest
warrant, and it's cheaper to make the civilian do it.  Plus, this way the
victim is punished without having to be put through a messy trial that the
city might lose.

Just another step in the removal of our civil rights.

Think about it -- they don't need proof, or even evidence, that the person
to be evicted is a drug dealer.  All they need is a nasty and/or vindictive
neighbor to call the police saying "Joe Blow in Apt. 3 is dealing cocaine
and, well sir, I don't like it" and the city sends off a form letter to the
landlord and either the victim gets evicted, or the city collects a fine and
the victim is evicted.  The city gets to claim they are being tough on drugs
(when in actuality they are being tough on the Constitution), and the people
eat it up with a spoon.

Disgusting, wot?

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

The existence of god implies a violation of causality.
From: elwood@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Elisha Polomski)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Date: 1 Sep 1992 01:55:41 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug13.223117.17967@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:
>In article <4eWcVq_00WB24MiXg3@andrew.cmu.edu> "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>5. What about the UPS?  Any different?
>	Good question.  The moralists of the current administration perhaps
>	have less direct control at UPS.  I suspect it may be easier.
>	No postal inspectors standing around trying to justify their
>	existence by busting those nasty druggies. ;-)

Au contraire mon ami--I know someone who worked for
 a major shipping firm in the states. He dealt with UPS
every day. He said UPS has a special scanner that they use regularly
to suck in air from a package and test it for drugs, fireworks,
or other illegal substances.
His opinion, and that of other experienced people was that
shipping some illegal substance thru the postal system is less likely 
to be caught.

In addition, I read an article that said some airports
(those that can afford it in this recession!) also have this device.
The airport version is supposed to be VERY expensive. I heard they were
testing it out at Boston Logan.

Another person told me that he can confirm that it isn't installed
(or at least isn't working properly)
yet in Boston, LA, NYC, or San francisco airports. ;)


-just my humble words.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: budnick@cc.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:12:45 MDT

fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:
> Hello all,
> 
> 
>     I have a question for the Libertarians.  To start off, I am a member of
> the party and believe in most Libertarian ideals.  I was reading the party
> News this month and came across "In the Aftermath of the LA Riots."  It
> is argued that the War on Drugs contributed greatly to the riots.  Further
> more the WOD should be halted and drugs made legal.
>     I was discussing the ideas in the article with a buddy.  He is totally
> against drug legalization.  I, of course, was arguing for legalization.
> I gave the usual arguements about a decrease in crime, comparison to alchol,
> coherent policy in goverment, etc.  We got off on the decrease in crime 
> arguement.  
>     He claims that crime will not decrease but will simply shift
> in focus.  Crime would shift from drugs to gambling, prostitution or some
> new field.  He claims that the people who are in the drug trade are criminals
> to the bone and will seek a new field if the drug trade become unprofitable. 
> As an example, an under educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer or user from
> south central L. A. is not suddenly going take up compter science because drugs 
> are legal. He will instead find a new black market to make money in. 
>     This is an interesting arguement.  I was unable to refute this arguement.
> What is the Libertarian answer to long term crime in the inner cities?
> 
> 
> take it easy,
> Matthew E Fisher
> fisherm@infonode.ingr.com
 
As long as a government tries to control a substance, behavior, whatever, that
people want or want to do, there will be "black markets."  As long as there
are black markets, there will be two types of crimes: (1) the "crime" of
violating the particular prohibition law, and (2) the crimes, generally
violent or forceful invasions of person and property, due to the underground
nature of the black market trade.  The more strict the prohibition, the
greater the risk.  The greater the risk, the higher the reward.  The higher 
the reward and risk, the lower people will stoop to achieve it.  Quite
simple, really.

So, yes, ending the WoD will not eradicate crime.  It will result in a 
substantial reduction, however - until the government finds its next enemy
that must be strictly prohibited.  

It is instructive to look at alcohol prohibition in the 20's.  
Prohibition was the fuel for the "gangsters," which was the fuel 
for the "G-men," who needed bigger guns to fight the 
"gangsters," (this is when the "tommy-gun" entered the scene), which
fueld the first anti-gun legislation (the "machine-gun" was outlawed
in 1933??), which etc., etc.  When alcohol prohibition was rightfully ended,
you guessed it - marijuana was outlawed.  And the cycle continues.

Please, folks, vote, and vote Libertarian.  Call 1-800-682-1776 for free
info.

Peter Budnick
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15340 alt.society.civil-liberty:5658 talk.politics.drugs:6125
From: henrya@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ on civil liberties
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:17:32 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep2.234829.25589@news.cs.indiana.edu>, hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> 
>>Clinton is gang interviewed in this month's _Rolling Stone_. Here is
>>an excerpt from that interview.
> 
>>=============
> 
>>If you want less police brutality, you should have more police on the
>>street, walking the streets, doing community policing.  New York City
>>went to community policing and has just reported its first crime drop
>>in thirty-six years.
> 
> Uh-oh.  There goes my fascism detector.  I'm starting to hear a full
> brass band playing the Horst Wessel song.  I can't remember the song
> at all -- I seem to have a mental block -- unless something happens
> to trigger the memory.  Something external like watching a PDFA
> commercial, seeing a promo for COPS, or watching the State Police's
> MJ search copter take off from its helipad (as I did today).  Just
> what we need, more police.  "Die Fahne hoch ..."
> 
> -- 
> paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
> 
> "I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
>                        --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt

I think you missed the point completely.  Clinton wasn't arguing for more 
police in that quote, he was advocated a redistribution of existing 
police.  Instead of having all policemen in cars, he wants some on foot 
patrols.  By walking around, the neighborhood becomes accustomed to 
individual officers.  The next step in his logic is that the current 
bunker mentality of many police departments would decrease.  

Henry Appel
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: The best hash I've ever
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.173901.27361@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Di Dio) writes:
> Maybe someone dropped some liquid acid on the hash,I'm not sure if you
>can inhail it,but I really suspect that you can take that wonder drug
>anyway you please!  

I don't know if you can smoke LSD.  My guess is no.

Back around 1984 or 1985, there was a media scare (urban legend alert) about
a new drug called "Love Boat" which was actually marijuana sprayed with PCP.

From the (very few) subjective accounts of PCP use I've read, it seems to
resemble LSD a lot more than THC.  Perhaps there was dust in your hash. I'd
stay away from this stuff.  If the person who gives/sells you a drug does
not tell you (maybe he doesn't even know) what's in it, you are risking your
life by using it.

Then again, it might have just been killer hash.  Have you read _The
Hasheesh Eater_?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15024 misc.legal:16403 talk.politics.drugs:5957
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:50:36 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

> The Fort Wayne, IN.  City Council is voting tonight on an ordinance
> providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
> tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
> are being sold in said tenants' apartment.  The amount of the proposed
> fines is to range from $500 to $2500/day.

The obvious question: if the city knows that drugs are being sold, why
they hell don't they get rid with the dealer instead of making a civilian
do it?

Our Brave Police.  Brings a tear to your eye, dunnit?

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15273 talk.politics.drugs:6081
From: bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Legal help in Boulder, CO ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:15:47 GMT
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center

My friend's son got busted at a concert in CO for possession of
1/8 oz of pot and paraphenalia. He is yet to go to court on the 
matter.  Unfortunately, there are indications that he may also
be under separate investigation for more serious pot charges.
He is being stubborn and won't seek out a lawyer on his own
thinking "it'll all blow over".

The family (1000's of miles away) wants to get a legal reference
thinking that if it is pre-arranged, the guy might at least go
explain the situation and may subsequently realize that it 
could be serious.  Also, they want to have the possession charge
damage mitigated as much as possible should something come out
of the second instance.

Anybody have good legal references in the Boulder CO area? Someone
else mentioned getting references through the ACLU or NORML; is this
a good route to go?  Any advice or knowledge of CO pot laws would
be most appreciated (like general severity).

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:28:49 GMT


 This is really strange. I have never heard of this drug. Not even it's
(sort-of) chemical name. I must admit that it sounds bogus. Certainly the
ingredients listed are not a complete list.
 I'm going to do some research...

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Holland Drug Classifications
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:36:19 GMT

John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>It only describes the fears of the person who wrote it. No science involved.

   Would you then back up your claim that heroin is not too different from
chocolate oh, so, SO scientifically? I didn't see any flaws in the
classification, although I detest the concept of "hard" and "soft" drugs.
Or is it that you're trying to mask your primitive fear of drugs?
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Trip tapes (audio) and trading dubs?
Summary: Bauhaus is tops!
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:05:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <Bu0IoA.o5@ais.org>, dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes...
> 
>Anyone interested in trading dubs of your favorite tapes to lie back a smoke
>a joint to ?  Or maybe just recommend some... 
>I've got this tape Galaxies, which is just a whole tape of music that is
>like the music on the 2001/2010 movies... Also I have an entire tape of
>thunderstorms... Sound kinda dumb at first but it's pretty weird when you're
>stoned.. Also I have a tape of a couple trip songs (most rap) and some other
>good songs (rap again)... If ya want any of the above and you have anything
>you want to trade drop me some mail. 
>-- 
>________________________________________________________________________
>\ E-Mail: dc@ais.org        /\ Comin' from the unpolitically correct    \
> \__________________________\/\ half of this world refered to as       //
>                             \_\ The ProjectZ!________________________//

Go out to your local music store and order _Swing_the_Heartache_ by Bauhaus.
You'll thank me for it.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (donald)
Subject: Re: Question about LSD (Microdot)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:07:55 GMT

Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) wrote:
: >>Keith!  That's pretty bad advice.  If they melted, what's left is definitely
: >>not worth taking. This particular molecule doesn't particularly like this world
: >>very much, and heat, light, finger oil, etc. etc.  tend to turn it into
: >>strychnine! ;
: >
: >The above statement is false. LSD will NEVER turn into strychnine, the two 
: >molecules are not related at all!
: 
: You dimwit, of course they're not related at all - but read what the
: poster said.

Perhaps I can offer an illucidating note.  The original poster probably
had hear about strychnine in relation to LSD as a contaminant and
somewhere in the thread leading through him the origin of this
contaminant got perverted.  Now to offer my take on this confusion:
strychnine has been used by some labs to cut LSD since it is perceived
by some to provide a somewhat enhancing effect.  There are, of course,
down sides to this.  While in small quantities strychnine isn't lethal
it can produce headaches, muscle tension and soreness (ex. jaw,
shoulders), palid skin, cold extremities (hands, feet), general
shakyness or jitters.

There is a simple test for the presence of strychnine which I've
forgotten, but I believe utilizes potassium dichromate.  If anyone
knows the test I'm thinking of and can post the procedure please do.
I had a friend asking me about this a while ago (the reason I checked
here) and am hoping to help him out.

take it easy,
donal
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Help Me Out Please
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:52:57 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

Warning: the following is of no relevance to drugs whatsoever, and
should therefore be ignored as a waste of space.

In article <cavasin.714676108@muse>, cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin) writes:
> bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes:
> 
>>If anyone could please help me out, i am interested
>>in learning about religions who use drups as forms
>>of prayer/communion anything concerning the use of
>>drugs in worship.. could you please mail me some 
>>information on the church/religion and/or where to
>>get it/more.. my internet adress is bryce@sdf.lonestar.org
>>thank you..
> 
> yes.  the catholic church, and some other christian churches, use the highly
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> addictive and damaging drug ALCOHOL in a ritual called communion in which it
> is believed the drug is transformed into the blood of Christ, the son of God.
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Which churches other than the Roman Catholic church, teach
"transubstantiation"? Not to my knowledge any protestant churches.

> -vince

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Psilocybe cubensis spores
Keywords: mail-order
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:43:11 GMT

   What's the best mail oder place to order mushroom spores from? It should
have decent prices (not over $10/print), be reliable, ship abroad and accept
cash as payment. Florida Mycology Research Center and Syzygy in Hawaii are
the ones I know of. Any more?
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi

Newsgroups: alt.drugs