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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:01:43 GMT
Distribution: ba

Carl,

The entire legal system is based on value judgements.   That's why there's
a distinction made between first degree murder and involuntary manslaughter.
In both cases, person A killed person B, but the level of punishment differs.

Historically, back when traffic laws were meant to promote traffic safety,
the traffic laws worked that way too.   For example, if you read the California
Vehicle Code, you will find references to ``safe and prudent'' behaviour all
over the place.   The CVC relies heavily on the judgement of the motorist,
and for that matter, whenever you drive on the public highways, you also rely
on the judgement of your fellow motorists, however lacking you may believe
it to be.

Many courtrooms nowadays, however, have abandoned the notion that safe and
prudent behaviour is more important than obedience to the letter of the law.
The result of this is that people no longer respect the law, because they see
that it is enforced with an eye to generating revenues, rather than to
promoting the public safety.   For example, the notion that a speed limit of
55 on 280 between Los Altos Hills and San Bruno makes sense is ludicrous,
and everybody knows it.   So everybody disobeys the law.   Because they know
that the law they routinely disobey is ludicrous, they assume that other,
less bogus laws are too.   The result is a reduction, not an increase, in
traffic safety.   Frankly, it's a pretty sad sight.

				_MelloN_
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From: ssr@radiomail.net (Dave Kucharczyk)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:49:33 GMT
Organization: Anterior Technology
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: ssr@radiomail.net
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In article <793@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
> we differ on the issue of whether one deserves it.  We are all old enough
> to know that if you break the law you should expect to suffer the  
consequences.

only if they can catch you !  seriously, i have found a sure fire
way to get out of tickets.  carry a box of dognuts.  when the cop 
gives chase, start tossing the dognuts out of your tankbag.  that 
will keep 'em distracted long enough for you to get away.  if not,
then you can expect to become good friends with Mr. Nightstick, if
you know what i mean...  that and you'll be charged with assault on
police property (the dognut).

dave
From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Plastic work recommendation
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:21:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Recommendation:

   * Have injured plastics on your bike?  Then maybe you should talk
     to Preferred Image in Los Gatos.

Reasons:

   * A friend dropped his VFR750 in a very-low-speed get-off.  Nothing
     was broken, but the whole right side was scraped up pretty good.
     He bought a new mirror, and then took the plastics down to Preferred
     Image.

     Preferred mixed the paint themselves, and did an amazing job of
     matching the VFR's stock paint (black with flecks of blue/purple).

     The final result is fairly astounding.  It's almost impossible to
     tell which side is original, and which side is repaired.

   * The total cost was between $250 and $300.  Not free, not exactly
     cheap, but not bad compared to new parts, and/or hours of your
     own time spent sanding/painting/buffing.

Caveats:

   * I haven't used this shop myself (and hope I never have to :-).

   * Preferred still has to do a final sanding and touch up on the paint
     (to remove a couple of bubbles), so it's not really done.  But the
     final result can only be better than it is now.

   * I don't know if they'd work on plastic that needed more than cosmetic
     repairs (ie broken parts).  They are principally an auto repair
     business.

Other info:

   * Preferred Image is in Los Gatos, at the corner of University and
     Blossom Hill Rd.  They are at (408) 354-7673.  The contact is Steve,
     who I believe is the owner.  By the way, he rides a Katana 600 with
     an amaazingly nice custom paint job.

As always, your mileage may vary.

-rob.
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:49:33 GMT

In article <1e964vINNcaq@agate.berkeley.edu> dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook) writes:

>I wasn't sure and am still not
>sure, but it seems to me recently that more and more cars are aware of
>motorcyclists in stop and go traffic, and are moving over to give me
>some room... I've noticed this habit in LA to some extent, since I've
>heard that no cop in his right mind is going to give a bike a ticket
>for lane splitting on the freeway system in Los Angeles... Is it just
>me, (i.e. have I been lucky) or have other people noticed this?

     Well, I started doing this when I began riding a year ago.  I notice
if I do it once, the cars around me will also do it for the next biker to
come along.  Monkey see, monkey do, I guess.

     Still, it's pretty rare.  When I'm on the bike splitting, maybe one in
ten or twenty cars makes a little extra room.

							George


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From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:22:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cross Access Corp., Santa Clara, CA
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pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) writes:
: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
: 
: >The situation: I'm on a side street where it interesects a main road. The sign
: >says right turn only (ie. onto the main road) but I go straight. A cop
: >observed this and ticketed me. He probably was right behind me when I did
: >it (mirrors were busted that day). I can't claim I didn't do it or that he
: >did'nt see it because neither is true. (I know why should that stop me?)
: 
Lisa,
I dont mean to sound uncaring, but as you stated above, you took a chance
and you got caught.  I admit I do not know what the fine/punishment is,
(i missed those postings?), but why not take the medicine?  We should all
try to accept responsibility for our actions, and not try to "get out of it"
on a technicality.  If it is the payment aspect, perhaps people can suggest
if/how you can arrange with the Judge to pay it off on installments.
carl

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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: lane splitting when there is only one lane
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:53:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"spencer" == Paul Spencer <spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com> writes:



spencer> Well, no. Get ready, it's Ascii Graphics time (tm) !

spencer>                                     /-------\
specner> shoulder  oncoming traffic         O===car===O      shoulder
spencer> ........|____________________||____________________|........
                                             ^ ^ ^
                                     Looks more like a hovercraft to me
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               '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
From: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Radio Shack "through-the-ear" walky-talkies?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:46:32 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Originator: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU

Has anyone tried the Radio Shack "through-the-ear" (they use the earpiece to
pick up your voice through your ear) voice-actuated walky-talkies for 
inter-cycle communications?

If so, were the results good, bad, or indifferent?


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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: K75 ...
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:54:52 GMT
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"spiros" == Spiros Bouas <spiros@wave.asd.sgi.com> writes:


spiros> Where do I go for a good selection of BMW's ?
spiros> The paper has too few and most dealerships mark them way the hell up!!

Cal BMW.  I've had nothing but success with them (bought a R100R there
in August).  The very few problems I've had have been quickly taken
care of by kari and staff.
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                                "HotHead Rules!"
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:45:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) says:
>
> I think "that map store in the Stanford Mall" is called Phileas Fogg's.
> They have many travel-related books as well as maps.

That's it! A genuinely Cool Store (tm), which could cause map weenies
to melt down their credit cards. Definately worth a visit.

....paul

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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: glen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Glen Robert Morrell)
Subject: Need advice...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:22:47 GMT


Anyone have any advice to give about where to buy helmets on the
Penninsula?  Also, are there trade papers for motorcycles around here,
and if so, where can I find them?

I'm fairly new to the area and even newer to riding.  I hope this
was the appropriate place to ask.  Please respond to glen@isl.stanford.edu.

Thanks.
From: sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:00:15 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Borland International
Originator: sidney@genghis.borland.com

In article <74493@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
>   * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

I agree!

>   * You MUST insure a car with them!

I know that was true as of about two years ago, and that it is not
true now.  My agent (Jim Fairband, in Santa Cruz: Highly recommended
but don't bother with the guy he shares his office with) told me that
it was a result of a change in the state law. To his credit, after
finding out that my present auto insurance is with AAA (Cal State
A.A.), he recommended that I not change auto insurance, since he
considered them as good as State Farm for that. I don't recall exactly
what my insurance costs, but it is well under $200/yr for
comprehensive $500 deductible on a 1986 Yamaha Radian 600.

 -- sidney <sidney@borland.com>
From: ssr@radiomail.net (Dave Kucharczyk)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can I beat this ticket?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:56:45 GMT
Organization: Anterior Technology
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: ssr@radiomail.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: radiomail.net
Keywords: fighting tickets

In article <790@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
> pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) writes:
> : delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
> : 
> : >The situation: I'm on a side street where it interesects a main road. The  
sign
> : >says right turn only (ie. onto the main road) but I go straight. A cop
> : >observed this and ticketed me. He probably was right behind me when I did
> : >it (mirrors were busted that day). I can't claim I didn't do it or that he
> : >did'nt see it because neither is true. (I know why should that stop me?)
> : 
> Lisa,
> I dont mean to sound uncaring, but as you stated above, you took a chance
> and you got caught.  I admit I do not know what the fine/punishment is,
> (i missed those postings?), but why not take the medicine?  We should all
> try to accept responsibility for our actions, and not try to "get out of it"
> on a technicality.  If it is the payment aspect, perhaps people can suggest
> if/how you can arrange with the Judge to pay it off on installments.
> carl

carl,

if there was no one around, and she wasn't endangering anyone, then all
the cop is doing is collecting revenue.  the idea behind such laws was
(and still should be) to make driving/riding safer.  if you do it safely,
then you shouldn't get a ticket.  a warning, maybe.  

i've seen cops let old geezers go after nearly causing a multi car 
collision.  same goes for judges.  they feel sorry for them, and totaly  
disregard the fact that next time they might kill someone, maybe me, maybe you.   
i saw a biker get found guilty of running a red light after explaining that his  
motorcyle wouldn't trigger the light sensor, it was 2am and no traffic, so he  
went through it.  the whole system of traffic enforecemnt (for our own good and  
safety of course..) is such a farce, that you should ALWAYS fight your tickets,
unless you really feel you deserved it.

lisa,

i suggest a trip down to the Nolo Bookstore (at 9th and parker in berkeley)
to get a copy of 'Fight Your Ticket'.  if you go to court, be sure to check out
the judge a few days in advance to see how he/she is.  i've always found that
to be helpfull (since you can disqulify a judge from hearing your case
once per trial).

dave
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:18:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <74493@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
>Recommendation:
>
>   * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

Yes. Do.

>   * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike without a car

Not with my agent. I have no car.

jim
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Summary: Second vote for Jack Flesher
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:57:02 GMT

"robg" == Rob Griffiths <robg@Apple.COM> writes:
robg>    * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike
robg> without a car on the policy.  However, their auto rates were

jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
| This is no longer the case, it's up to the individual agent.  I've got
| insurance with State Farm on two motorcycles (92 R100R, 91 CB750) and
| no car.
| 
| My agent is Jack Flesher, 415.941.8700.  Tell 'em eric townsend
| referred you.  (I don't get anything, I'm just trying to make friends.
| :-)

    Here's a second vote for Jack Flesher & State Farm.  My sole vehicle is
my 1983 Kawasaki GPz 550.  I have $100k/$300k liability coverage for about
$150 a year.  I'm 29, single, male.

    Unfortunately, my girlfriend is also insured with them and has tested
their claims services (car rear-ended last March; I was driving =^(.  The
good news is that we have no complaints about he coverage.

    Another thumbs-up.

______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                   Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:09:28 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <789@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
}However, as a motorcycle rider, too, I must say that I really dislike
}other cyclists "splitting the lane".  I dont care if it is "legal".
}I think it is dangerous, "unfair", and inflamatory.  70-90% of those
}that I see who split the lane do it in what I believe automobile
}drivers think is a "hot shot" fashion.  And like it or not, it makes
}enough of them hostile to motorcyclists that it puts ME (and YOU) in danger
}when I ride.  I would vote FOR prohibiting such action.

Dangerous: It is a personal risk decision to lane-share. With the exception
of blatant idiots who do 60 mph by cars doing < 20 mph on the freeway, it
is primarily dangerous to the motorcyclist. I accept that risk when I
choose to engage in lane-sharing. For further diatribe along these lines,
see any helmet law discussion.

Unfair: It is unfair to restrict my use of the roadway when for ONCE my
smaller size is an advantage -- the cages may be stopped but I still have
room in the lane to keep going. My small size causes me untold grief and
danger; this is one of the few times that it is an advantage. It is also
unfair to force my air-cooled engine to crawl along at an average 5 mph
and overheat when I have plenty of room to continue forward at 15-20 mph.
Cages are by and large water-cooled; bikes are by and large air-cooled.

Inflammatory: Last week I was only nearly killed three times. In all
three cases it was a cage, and in all three cases the driver was doing
something inappropriate while moving rapidly. One was combing his hair,
one was doing her makeup, and one was buried so far down in the passenger
floorboard looking for something (at 65 mph on the freeway) that I
thought there *was* no driver as the cage swerved back and forth across
parts of three lanes. If my lane-sharing offends these mental midgets,
it is an awfully well-deserved offense.

I'll make a deal with you: Pay to convert my bike to water-cooled,
forcibly execute any cager who severely injures or kills a biker and
uses the excuse "I didn't see him", give me a LAWS rocket launcher
and ammo for my bike -- and I'll feel the playing field is even enough
that I can forego my lane-sharing priveleges without feeling that the
restriction is "unfair" to me.

A safe lane-sharer who does not believe that a few hotshot pinheads
should be allowed to ruin the party for everyone,
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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley FUtures
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:10:13 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


So I couldn't contain myself any longer..  I got my FJ out of Berkeley
Yamaha on Saturday...  kid was unexpectedly at a friend's birthday
party for the day..  I was finally started to feel 'normal' after
nearly a month of being chronically weakened and generally feeling
yucky..  the sun was shining..  old FJ and I head for mind numbing
cruise down highway 5..  mm, was a good move having them change
the rear sprocket to the taller FJ1200 gearing...
For a short while, I check out the tune up with an indicated 130 mph
run, nice, stable..  dangerous to my license..  I slow down and
pull in to Foster's Freeze and say 'Hi' to the friendly County
Sheriff eating his hamburger (THorick friend of Law Enforcement !)...

So the day progresses nicely, relaxed, one second at a time...

I might as well head to the Oakland Harley Dealer before getting
home...   

it's a funny thing pulling up to the Harley Dealer from whom the
Oakland Hell's Angels buy their engines from (the legal sales
I presume)..  well, I figure, if you're going to pull up to
a Harley dealer in a Japanese bike, it might as well be a BIG
japanese bike, one that makes some torque !   (I find out later
that my FJ makes torque figures that start at about 40 and
peak out at about 63 ft/lbs or so...   the claimed torque
figures are  50 for the 883, 70 for the 1200 sportster  and
77 for the biggest twins..  oh well..  I did have big       
horsepower numbers at least ! )

Well..  where's the $4000 stripper Sporty that I'm expecting to see ?
gulp..  I look at the XLH 883 Hugger and spot the out the door
price...  $7000  sheesh..  that freight, setup, doc, lic  and
8% or so sales tax do add a bit don't it ?   I look at the
packaged financing they offer..   hmmm  $700 down (I could do that)
hmm  $141 a month (I could do that)  hmmm  60 months  (ackkk...
I can't see paying on a motorcycle for 5 years !!!!  it's
going to have to be either cash on the table, or I find anothe
method of financing !!!)

well, as a consolation, I do see that the out the door price for
the true stripper model is about $6000 or so...  all I got to
do is add for the 2 up seat, the tall sissy bar and rack, the
foam hand grips, the highway pegs, the wind deflector, the
tachometer..  the...  the... the....

the heck...  one of those is going to be MINE soon !

-t.c.



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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley FUtures
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:00:09 GMT
Distribution: ba

dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook) writes:
>Does anyone know of this kind of thing?.. I'm not really in the market
>for a Harley (only because I don't have the money, not because I don't
>like them), but I would be interested in the validity of these facts...

Hm.   That sounds plausible.   What I was really saying, though, although
I didn't want to start a flame war, is that I think that a Harley tourer
is probably more fun than a sportster.   I've test-ridden the 1200 sportster,
and I was _not_ impressed.   Your milage may vary...

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