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From: seurer@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Bill Seurer)
Subject: Re: LET'S CLEAR UP THIS BIGGS THING
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <l3i52hINNi54@phakt.usc.edu>, dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
|> In article <Jun12.182722.24426@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bricker@osprey.cahs.colostate.edu (Chris Bricker) writes:
|> >The scene at Toshi station WAS in there the first time I saw STAR WARS 
|> >during it's first run in 1977 along with the scene with Jabba and the scene
|> >depicting Luke seeing the battle with his binoculars.  I have corroborated 
|> >this with the people I saw it with.  I am sure these scenes were there the
|> >first time I saw it. I have never seen the storybook you are refering to.
|> 
|> Look, this post proves my point. We know that the jabba scene was not in
|> Star Wars. You probably saw the TV special which has the Jabba scene, 
|> in unfinished form. The only thing you guys are going on is old memories.
|> Memories easily mixed up with a lot of data, after the fact.  If so many
|> people saw this scene, why isn't there a print floating around with it?
|> Why doesn't someone come up with an audio tape of it? How about a bootleg
|> video tape? 

#1 came out when I was in high school and my friends and I saw it at
least ten times the first year or two.  I also read the book.  We were
disappointed that they left out so many neat scenes that were in the book
LIKE WATCHING THE FIGHT THROUGH THE BINOCULARS.  It wasn't in the original
movie.

-- 

- Bill Seurer     Language and Compiler Development      IBM Rochester, MN
  Internet: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com    America On-Line: BillSeurer@aol.com
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: First figure
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:37:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


My first figure was Darth Vader, for $1.99 plus tax.  I then got a stormtrooper
the next day.  By sending in the proofs of purchase I got: Boba Fett, 4-LOM, 
Nien Numb, and The Emperor.  BTW, did anyone else out there send in 6 p.p.'s
and a mere $1.75 to get the Star Wars action stand.  It was a plastic stand
on which to put your figures.  There were levers to rotate the platforms that
the figures were on.  It also had a cardboard backdrop.  Anyone know what
they're worth?
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:11:50 GMT

I sent off for a *mail order* Fett in 79 -- with x proof of purch
symbols, you got one. I never got it, neglecting to put a return address
in the envelope, but I diligently saved my p-o-p symbols!

As I remember, either my brithday (Nov 13) or after christmas (dec 25)
in 79 was when I amassed the requisite # of p-o-p symbols.

It was after this he became a figure -- I remember thinking 'oh, well,
since it's a figure & I can get it, it doesn't really matter.' You can
see how naive I was! :)

Does this gel with other people's memories?

Scott
From: samuels@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Robin Samuels)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Comics for sale
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:02:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

...  And I've got the rest for sale.  STAR WARS (Marvel) Issues 88
through 107,  in NM condition.  Asking $40, plus shipping.

Robin Samuels
Rutgers University

samuels@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Question about Imperial Officers
Date: 12 Aug 1992 10:51:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Keywords: Little metal things

In article <joshm.713633443@crash> joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>I've long wondered (well, not LONG, but) what the small metal cylindrical 
>objects that Imperial officers carry in small pockets (it seems) next to
>their rank insignias?  They look like they could be about the size of thick
>felt-tip pens, though colored chrome.  Any ideas?



My friend swears that they're CO2 cartridges.



-- 
Josh Ling   
Trilogist Extrodinaire     
joshuali@usc.edu 

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR ILM BOOK
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:56:39 GMT


In a previous article, tim@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Tim Telcik) says:

>If possible I would like to take this one step further and organise with
>someone (possibly in US) to post a copy over if the cost is not too high
>in $AUS.

                             ^^^^
                             ||||

Please, before anybody goes nuts, he means "mail," as in I'll give you
the money, you send me the book.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
----------------   "If you want something done right,  ----------------- 
       kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III
From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: LEIA'S CHARACTER
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:10:44 GMT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <4750@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, layne+@pitt.edu (Deborah E Layne)
says:
>
>On the topic of whether Leia got "soft."
>
>Well, she took out a number of stormtroopers (after being shot herself)
>while Han fumbled with the blastdoors at the base on Endor.
>
>She did pretty well with the speeder bike.
>
>And don't forget that she choked Jabba to death with only the chain
>that he hand put on her.  Just sitting that close to Jabba without
>hurling made her pretty tough in my book ;)
>
>IMHO, you might want to reconsider...

Certainly, she wasn't softened up as far as her fighting skills, but her
personality was pretty weak, but I'd attribute that to the bad writing and
what seemed like Lucas no longer cared about the trilogy.  Face it, they all
had pretty weak roles in RotJ.  The lines are all bad (*ALL!*) and it just
seems rushed.

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Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:15:59 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:

> With all this SW vs ST, how about some thought on Sw vs. Dune? How about 
> a coupe of sand worms to pulverize a couple of imperial bases heh heh heh.
> Or see Paul Atreides yell at Darth Vader to death. 
> 
> Serge
> 

It would never work.  AT-ATs would come out and stomp the crud out of the 
sand worms. :-)


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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Star Wars that could have been
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) says:

>
>I just got The Star Wars Portfolio at a toy show, and saw some
>intresting things in it. Some stuff was new to me, and may be to you
>so I thought I would share the discoverys. These are all early
>concepts of what could have been.
>
>Luke and Darth Vader were to have a lightsaber duel aboard the Rebel
>Blockade Runner, soon after Vader captured the ship. Luke would be
>wearing a kind of breathing mask, since the attack on the ship caues
>the air supply to escape. Also Vader carried a blaster along with the
>lightsaber.

Then there was definitely a plot change, since Luke was never ON the
Blockade runner.  Are you sure it's not the Death Star?

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
----------------   "If you want something done right,  ----------------- 
       kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III
From: clayton@mars.ee.usu.edu (Clayton Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Writing our own saga
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:21:29 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug14.172449.23783@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> OK, I goofed.  Would the person who wrote to me with a possible
|> idea for a story we could write ourselves please write to me again?
|> 
|> (My mailbox ate it.)
|> 
|> Also, if anyone is interested in doing a continuing story, please
|> let me know and we'll get one going.  Also let me know if
|> you would prefer that we did it over the group (with people sending
|> me the next installment so that we wouldn't get six part threes)
|> or if we get the group together first and do it by mail alias.
|> 
|> I kind of prefer to do it over the group because it allows the 
|> greatest number of people to participate.  Especially with the 
|> uni's coming back on the net in the next few weeks.
|> 
|> Just a note -- the proposed idea was really a good one.  I think
|> we can do a lot with it.
|> 
|> -- 
|>              TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
|>       Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
|> ----------------   "If you want something done right,  ----------------- 
|>        kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III

If anyone is seriously interesting in doing this, take a look at the group
alt.pub.dragons-inn.  They've hashed out the details of how to role play on the net and
still have coherent babble come out. 

Tanya Olsen
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: movie posters available
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:44:42 GMT


In a previous article, producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu () says:

>These are apparently original and most are rolled, not folded. They claim 
>to have original Revenge of the Jedi 1 sheets available. But I haven't 
>called them back yet.

I would say that if its less than $300, it's a phony.  What do you
all think?

(I once saw one traded in '83 for that much.)

----  TJ

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dying styles .....
Date: 14 Aug 1992 10:07:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.162109.940@cs.hw.ac.uk> adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes:
>
>Incidentally, was Ben, alias Obi-Wan, alias O. B. 1, a clone?

Maybe during the clone wars Ben took a clone title to hide his Jedidom.

Or maybe the Emperor  captured Ben and cloned him titling the original #1.
	OB 1.

??????


-- 
Josh Ling   
Trilogist Extrodinaire     
joshuali@usc.edu 

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From: ithron@athena.mit.edu (Arthur Lue)
Subject: Re: Who deceiving whom?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:36:41 GMT


Just another thing.  Both Vader and the Emperor, for what it's worth, were
completely straightforward with Luke.
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Star Wars that could have been
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:54:58 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 92Aug18181946@wpi.WPI.EDU, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>tlg4> Then there was definitely a plot change, since Luke was never ON
>tlg4> the Blockade runner.  Are you sure it's not the Death Star?
>
>The caption under the picture specifically states aboard the Rebel 
>Blockade Runner. 

But then, in the ESB novel, the photo of the Imperial Probe Droid is
captioned "An Imperial Walker", and a picture of Han on a Tauntaun is
captioned "Luke Skywalker" :-)

Even well researched books have typsetting errors in the captions. I have
seen military reference books which have pictures of Russian Cruisers
Captioned as US Cruisers and vice versa.

This, however has no bearing on the discussion in progress!

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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:51:36 GMT

In article <Bsvon0.Ax5@mcigate.apdev.mci.com> rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Satish_Bhatti) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.231911.1671@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>>I watched ESB just a few days ago and I was wondering something.  When
>>they're about to freeze Han in carbonite, Chewie starts throwing stormtroopers
>>all over the place.  Boba Fett raises his blaster as if to fry him but 
>>Vader stops him.  Any opinions as to why?  (Besides the fact that they want to
>>keep Chewie alive for the rest of the trilogy.)
>Vader doesn't want his "bait" for Luke damaged.

Nana.  I believe, at that point, Vader already knows that Luke is on his
way.  (could be mistaken, but its immaterial....)

The way I figure it, Vader wants to *use* this facility.  If people are
gonna start shooting, then someone's gonna miss, and he'll be sol.
Ain't noone gonna crumble DV's cookie.....

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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:17:33 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <SS.92Aug17120153@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:55:07 GMT, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) said:
> 
> mcmahan> In some of the ESB publications, they show a full scale model
> mcmahan> of the Falcon being built from scratch.
> 
> The same full scale model of the Falcon was used in all 3 movies. It
> was designed to me taken apart in sections, like pieces of a pie, so
> it could be moved around, and stored easier. You probably saw a
> picture of them putting the pieces together, not building it from
> scratch.
> --
>                         Scott Streeter
>                         ss@wpi.wpi.edu
	Maybe I'm mistaken, but I seem to recall that the original Falcon was
accidentally destoryed in between shootings of ANH and TESB.  Either there was
a fire at EMI Studios in London or the materials were used for some other movie
set.  In all, I believe that the Falcon was rebuilt from scratch, but that they 
tried real hard to make sure that didn't happen again for ROTJ.  What would be
even more interesting is to find out just where that full-sized model of it is
located at right now.


			Rob "Woodchip" Horning
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From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: GIF FILES
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:44:32 GMT


Is there an FTP site with StarWARS RELATED Gif Files
????????????????????]
From: rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Matte paintings (Falcon at Cloud City) -- NOT!
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:54:31 GMT
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:

>I'm not completely sure about this, but I thought I had some collector book
>for ESB and I saw a photo of construction workers putting together the top
>rear (the part with all the big black circles) of the full-size Falcon.  Did
>anybody else see this?

     Yup, just checked it myself. They have several photos of the full size
Falcon model being built, from framework to hull plating. They were even
putting full detail on the never seen on-screen portside aft section.

     Which brings up another interesting question: Whatever happened to the
thing? Quite a collector's item there, y'know :-)

                                                   -Robb Timlin
                                                    rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Empire #5
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:47:28 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

So, just got a copy of Dark Empire 5 last night, and suffice it to say, it
is the best one so far.  The cover art on this one is the best of the series,
not to mention the story.  I will not give away any of the story from Dark
Empire 5, but it is quite remarkable.  The best thing about this though, is
the announcement in the letters section about another Star Wars mini-series
coming out in early 1993 (take place after Dark Empire), and a series called
Tales Of The Jedi which will be released later this year.  Can't wait, 
personally, and thank God my comic store does holds.

Just a small spoiler for DE 6.
















Apparently, Leia will be the one to defeat the Emperor (once and for all?),
and thus fulfill a 1000 year old prophecy as told to her through the Holocron.
And the key to the end of the war on Calamari lies in a little robot.

Brent Wiebe
umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca

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that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow,
that's big' time.  Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself
looks really titchy.  ... huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here."
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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Re: Luke's failure on Dagobah??
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:58:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug10.143814.495@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>     Can anyone please explain to me why Luke's encounter in the cave on Dagobah
>during TESB was considered a failure by Yoda?  Was it because Luke didn't
>trust the force enough yet and decided to take his

    I get the impression that the choice to take the weapons was an initial
failure. That when he saw the ersatz Vader his immidiate and single
response was violence (drawing his light saber) when the Vader had
committed no intrinsically hostile acts is certainly not the way a
Jedi is supposed to behave. The fact that it was Luke in the mask,
would seem to be a warning that if Luke doesn't straighten up
and realize that there is more to the force than violence
that he will end up like Vader. Overall, Luke did very poorly
and behaved badly. I'd call it a failure.
 
>     While I'm on the subject of Luke's training, don't any of the WEG tech 
>manuals tell approximately how long a person trains in order to become a Jedi?
>I mean I know that it will be different for each person depending on how much 
>the force is with them, but it seems like Luke only takes about 2 to 4 months to
>train.  Don't ask me how I arrived to that conclusion.  
>     Also, does Leia have the same sensitivity to the force as Luke does or is
>she weaker/ stronger? 
   
   I would say she probably has a different sensitivity;)
   I would say you need to spend much less time worrying about
silly unanswerable questions. Enjoy more, ask less.

>     Just had to ask these "pertinent" questions that were being thrown around
>in my head!
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From: lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter)
Subject: Re: GIF FILES
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:52:21 GMT

beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>Is there an FTP site with StarWARS RELATED Gif Files
>????????????????????]

Yes. Anonymous FTP to
vab02.larc.nasa.gov
/gifs/misc/starwars

However, most of the ones I downloaded were badly scanned.

Eddie
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The name "Skywalker"
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug14.193348.661
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <16e1u9INN83r@network.ucsd.edu> earharta@sdsc.edu (Alan Earhart) writes:

>I have seen a lot of discussion about how Luke's last name should
>have been changed in order to hide him better.
>
>Isn't it possible that the last name "Skywalker" then could have
>been as common as, umm...... "Smith" is now ( no offense to any
>Smith's ).
>
>So, if my 'evil' papa was named Fred Smith, I could have remained
>Alan Smith and still been kept hidden fairly easily.  Also, move this
>from a single planet scale to a galactic scale and this becomes a trivial
>matter.
>
>If this has been mentioned before and I missed it, well..., nevermind!
>
>Alan
>earharta@sdsc.edu


*BUT* you are forgetting that Anakin/Vader did *NOT KNOW* he had a son (or
daughter for that matter), so having the same last name really does not
make much of a difference.

If you have a son you do not know about, it makes no difference what his
name is.....right?

Dave