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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Keywords: potential dangers
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C1HDAD.Lzt
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota

In article <1993Jan26.125532.9629@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
|> folks,
|> 
|> ahh, hindsight is 20-20.
|> 
|> i think it would be most beneficial if we all share our ideas and
|> experiences for potential birdie hazards at home.  here's my 
|> contributions:
|> 
|> 1.)  birdie fights .  *please* keep birdies separated if they want
|> to chew one another!  i cannot express the horror and guilt one
|> will experience if one birdie maims another...
|> 
|> 2.)  carpet strings (can wrap around birdie legs)
|> 
|> 3.)  nonClipped wings (see birdie in wild blue yonder!)

Open or unscreened windows in general - clipped wings or not.

Open exterior doors (same reason).

|> 4.)  electrical cords (birdie chews thru 'em)
|> 
|> any more?

5.) Ceiling fans.

I have one, but make sure it cannot be used by anyone other than me (via
a radio controller of all things :-) and that the bird is clearly secured
before its use.

6.) Toilet lids up.  :-)  My female (of course! :-) cockatiel crash landed
in one once and blamed me VERY much for it.  Heh.  But some people chlorinate
or otherwise add blue cleaners and such to the water.  May not be dangerous
to come in contact with, but certainly has a danger if ingested.

7.) Hats.  (Local phenomenon only, I guess... My bird panics when someone
wears headgear... Can seriously injure herself if confined in a cage).

8.) Teflon or other non-stick cookware _if overheated_.  (Oh no, not THAT
one again! :-)

9.) Unattended burners, boiling water, candles, etc.  Birds are curious.
They'll look.  They'll touch.  They'll taste.  They may accidentally fly
into it.

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From: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin newlund)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Reply-To: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin newlund)
Organization: Vitalink
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:32:17 GMT

5) watch what plants the beaks have access to

6) if wings are clipped and birdie loves you and follows you around
   watch closing doors - avoid squashed loved ones

7) watch the hot stove and the teflon horror

My motto and experience proves it - watch them like a hawk when they are
out of their cages. A quiet bird is usually up to something he shouldn't
be eating a remote, telephone key pad, plants, paper, coffee, etc.

Robin Newlund
rnewlund@vitalink.com
From: mwish@risky.Convergent.COM (Marilyn Wisher)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: This n That
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:26:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unisys Unix Systems Group, San Jose, CA


Keywords: Ah, those lovebirds


More adventures of Puffin, the petite pugilist........

Hazards - Unclear on the concept:  she tries to get into the fireplace.
You guessed it - while there is a fire burning.  I now understand why
my son calls her "birdbrain".

Visits to the office:  I work with engineers.  They don't know she is
here.  (ooooo, that's mean.  just kidding peoples).

C
New ways to take a bath:  Instead of a rubber duckie for company, throw
C
in your freshly made breakfast - a whole, baby carrott just nuked in
the micro in peach juice.

Ah, they are ever so creative.

Later,


Marilyn
From: mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: What do your birdies give you?
Keywords: questions
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:30:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (eabyrnes) writes:

>     3. They are feathered clowns that bury their heads in your cereal?
Not to mention waddle through your oatmeal...


-Alf Mikula
 mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdies at Woirk (was: Re: I need to buy a ...)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:43:04 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

jwsb@netcom.com (Justin Broughton) writes:


>As far as what she can accomplish - well her typing skills leave a lot to
>be desired, but she has it down in the paper-shredding department. 
>A confidential document can be history in a matter of seconds.
>There ain't a machine in the world faster at shredding paper than Jiggy :-)
>In fact if Ollie had had Jiggy I am not sure if any of the Iran Contra stuff
>would have ever come to light.

Ah, someone else who has noticed the Ollie North properties of lovebirds!
Are you saying O.N. really _didn't_ have a lovebird or 3?  And I was so
sure! :-)

Ruth

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From: SYLVIA@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Sylvia Hansen)
Subject: Re: Speaking of intelligence
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:04:44 GMT

I am very interested in the article.  I have a 5 year old African Grey
that has a good vocabulary.  I haven't spent as much time with her (Chelsea)
than I would like because I have just become guardian of my Granddaugher.
If you have children you know that they take up much of your time.  I would
be glad to send a self stamped envelope  if you tell me where to send it.
Thank you.
Sylvia Hansen
Computing and Communications Services Office
Coordinator of UIUC Computer Training Center
725 S. Wright St. Room 29 Illini Hall MC 372
Champaign, Illinois 61820
In article <1993Jan15.023058.17260@leland.Stanford.EDU>
becka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rebecca Lynn Sparling) writes:
 
>
>I don't suppose anyone saw the article in the _Christian Science
>Monitor_ and the _San Francisco Chronicle_ about the African Grey that
>has actually learned English?  Apparently he doesn't just mimic, but
>can identify objects by shape, color, whether one object is bigger
>than another, etc.  The reporter showed him a pen cap that Alex (the
>parrot) correctly identified as blue.  This is the first scientific
>evidence that parrots actually know what they're saying, rather than
>just mimicking what they hear.  Now they're teaching him the sounds of
>letters and he's starting to sound out words when he sees letters
>together...
>
>To make a long story short, the researcher says that Alex has
>performed as well on intelligence tests as dolphins and chimps, which
>means SMART!  Wish my nanday had brains like that...
>
>If anyone wants me to xerox the article and mail it to you, let me know!
>Becka
>
>becka@leland.stanford.edu
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: What do your birdies give you?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:42:34 GMT
Keywords: questions

folks,

so there i was, describing my current birdie situation with
one of my co-workers, who basically asked, just what do birdies
*really* give you?  it stopped me cold.  i mean, how can you explain
in 3 minutes or less how much joy one's birdies gives you?

so how would you answer that question?
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From: "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com>
Subject: showers
Reply-To: "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:35:53 EST


Hi, Barbara;
BT> bathing - take 'em into the shower, or attach 'em to the shower curtain.
BT> angus (einstein that he is) still hasn't bought a vowel when it comes to
BT> actually flapping at the wawa ....
i'm jumping in here, if you don't mind.  when you say INTO the
shower, do you mean fully under the water?  i have an african grey,
and i've been wondering about that.


 Regards from... Barbara Turnbull (barbara.turnbull@canrem.com)

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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
	<1993Jan26.135357.11480@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:55:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.135357.11480@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

   ->ps: Howz "Spike" for a name?

   well, sally blanchard's black headed caique is named spike.
   it gives the impression of one tough birdie...

   names are a personal choice. watch how the birdie interacts with his
   surroundings.  does he "look" like a Spike?  

I have a black headed caique named Bandit, and is cage-mate is a
Goffin's cockatoo named Spike! Spike really is a "Spike": a
tough-as-nails 11 year old wild caught (and still mostly wild) male.

On another note, I'd love to compare notes with other black headed
caique owners: Bandit is a PISTOL, a thoroughly adorable little
package. He and Spike have an "interesting" relationship...

--Doug
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From: becka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rebecca Lynn Sparling)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:05:27 GMT

I think they're called hurricane lamps.. round lamp with a chimney of
approx. 2" diameter.  I used to have a parakeet who fell into one all
the time, apparently headfirst because I always had to pull her out by
her tail.  It was actually pretty funny but I doubt she thought so...
becka
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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: "Hey, where's my food?" Converting 'tiel to pellets
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:38:11 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

There's a very helpful article on converting birds to pellets in the
latest (March?) BirdTAlk.  It deals specifically with budgies but
from all I've heard cockatiels are not too much differenct--both VERY
stubborn.

I converted the lovebirds who consent to allow me to feed and house them
with the aid of Avicakes (Lafeber's)--these are immediately food because
they're studded with seeds, but they are also full of pellets and my
kids figured out very quickly that the pellets werre ok to eat by them-
selves too. (Yes, they get Lafeber's pellets.)  I also gave them no seed
except evenings during conversion.  Now they get seed on Saturdays.

Ruth

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: lskinner@emr1.emr.ca (Lauren Skinner)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:58:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.021101.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> ares@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.125532.9629@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>> i think it would be most beneficial if we all share our ideas and
>> experiences for potential birdie hazards at home. 
>And mine:  (the list has specific relevance to sparrow-sized birds allowed to
>roam the house)
> cabinets and closets with lots of nooks and crannies among contents - when
> closed and locked, these are death traps

I have 3 baby budgies, 5 weeks old.  Last week they started flying, and
making unsteady/crash landings.  I thought I had baby-proofed the house as
best I could by stuffing things down behind/beside the sofa, wall unit, book
cases, fridge, stove, etc.

But they'll always find one you missed: last Saturday, one of the babies
landed on top of the kitchen cabinets [you know, up near the ceiling] and must
have skidded, then fell down a 2"x6"x3 foot enclosed shaft, down behind the
cabinets.  Panic city.  My arm just isn't that long.  Once I'd climbed up onto
the counter and shone a flashlight down on her, she just sat there calmly. 
After all, I'd been rescuing her and her siblings all week.  After frantically
trying a couple of things, I unfolded a wire coat hanger, made a two inch
"finger" and taped some cardboard around it.  Fortunately, she was hand tame
enough that she just stepped on and rode all the way up as I pulled her out... 
then she took off without so much as a thank you, and luckily with no ill
effects -- except on my nerves.

Lauren
From: djb@tadtec.co.uk (Diana Bray)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Birdie Hazzards
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:45:33 GMT
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
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My birdie hazzard was a prickly pair (opuntia?) catci.

Ella (at that time a baby) blue fronted Amazon took flight one day to
follow me when I left the room.  She always wriggles her shoulders when I
leave the room but since she's kept clipped, she can't follow as she'd
like to.

But on this occasion... she had more wing power than she or I thought
(especially me since I'd had her clipped -huh!- the week before) and she
flew (her first real flight and she looked rather surprised) through
several rooms to end up in our plant room and to land on the catci.  Of
all the plants she had to pick!

She had huge and small spikes in both feet and ankles.  I was desperate! 
I knew these spines resulted in iching sores if they broke off in my
skin.  I couldn't wait for the vet, and Ella was breaking the spines
trying to pull them out.

I grabbed her, wrapped her in a towel and pulled out the spikes with
tweezers. Ella got free of the towel before I had quite finished and
didn't want to be wrapped in the towel again.  She was quite happy to
hold up each foot in turn while I removed the last few prickles - as each
one was pulled out she wimpered slightly, but kept her foot held up.  She
definitely knew I was trying to help, and made no attempt to stop or
hinder me.  Incredible!!

Next I phoned the emergency vet.  I was worried that maybe she would have
an allergic reaction to the spines or that they would itch and she would
chew her feet - or that her feet would swell and she wouldn't be able to
stand.

I rushed her to the vet.  The vet checked her out, but didn't give me any
ointment or anything for her to take.  I was told to keep an eye on her. 
All catci left the house within minutes of our return from the vet.

Ella slept the rest of the day, and then was completely fine - no
chewing, no swelling.  She was fine.  I wasn't!  While frantically
getting the spines out of Ella, I'd just let them fall on me where they
landed.  I ended up with sores and a fever - but then I'm allergic to the
spines:)

This was more than two years ago now.  I think I was incredibly lucky. 
The moral?

Catci are dangerous to parrots - and humans:)
Keep those wings clipped - make sure they're done properly and watch out
for regrowth.

Remember - hand fed birds who've always been clipped, probably don't know
how to land :) and have absolutely no idea of what is and isn't safe to
crash land on.
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From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Answer to tiel questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:54:12 GMT

Regarding Anurag Mehta's tiel car questions:

	The life expectancy of a well maintained, properly fed tiel is in the
	neighborhood of 15 years.  You can give your tiel a bath as often as
	it likes, or at least every couple weeks.  Be sure that the bird is
	well protected from cold and drafts while he's drying out.  Also,
	your bird may have a particular perference for bathing (bowl with
	water, in the sink, a spray mist, etc.)  I would wait until the bird
	is fully feathered and weaned before really bathing him; just use
	a moist towel to clean him up before then. Roudybush products are
	okay (except for their hand-feeding formula), but I'm a Pretty Bird
	person myself.  A variety of pellets and other foods would be best.

	You can certainly have a toy in the cage when you bring the bird home.
	Also, a variety of toys rotated regularly would be nice.  As for
	beak conditioners, a cuttle bone would do.  You can also try those
	fruit flavored mineral blocks (except my place smelled like grapes
	for the first few days of use).

Aaron Moy
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-Fed Birds		Was that the phone...
Urbana, Illinois				or the bird???
(217) 328-1838

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From: lawson@stortek.com (Barbara Lawson)
Subject: Re: African Grey headshaking
Organization: Storage Technology Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:07:30 GMT

In article <81386@hydra.gatech.EDU> Debbie.Bragg@gtri.gatech.edu writes:
>In article <6301@rosie.NeXT.COM>, bavenell@next.com (Bette Avenell) writes:
>> 
>> My 6 month old Congo African Grey, Merlin (that I've had for 2 weeks) has one  
>> behavior that concerns me.  Mostly in the evening he will shake his head (from  
>
>Yes, headshaking is normal grey behavior.  
>The grey that my sister-in-law has does it when you offer her
>something new.   And our little baby (11 wks old) does it mainly 
>when I speak to him.  My voice tends to become high pitched when 
>I talk to him and when my voice reaches a certain pitch Mack 
>violently shakes his head.  He is sooooooooo cute!
>
> 

We are getting our new baby, a Congo Grey, this Saturday.  He/she will be 
about 12 weeks old.  I would appreciate any tips.  

We have a cockatiel now, who sleeps in our daughter's room.  She is out
of her cage whenever we are home.  She likes to hang out mostly on my shoulder,
but has a few favorite spots around the house.  She has a playpen and a 
perch, but doesn't really go there much except to grab a snack.  
She does enjoy standing on the window locks, so she can scream at the
birds she sees outside at the birdfeeder.  She also likes to nap on the
window sill.

Our main concern right now is where the baby should sleep.  We are thinking
of having her sleep in our room, and then, in the morning, when we all leave,
to move Peral's (the strong-willed cockatiel)  cage in there next to her.
We have this weekend to work out the logistics.   Eventually, we are 
thinking of making our spare bedroom a bird bedroom, and moving both cages
in there.  The problem with this is that our daughter enjoys having Peral
in the same room with her.  They've been together for about a year.  And,
although she is very excited about the new baby, she doesn't really want
two cages in her room.  So, if we leave Peral in with our daughter, will
it be okay to move Peral's cage every morning?

We thought Peral would be more adaptable to having her cage moved because
she is quite a well travelled bird.  She's flown with us to California,
has taken long car trips with us, and has stayed in hotels.  This
brings up another issue.  How do people take vacations with birds?
It wasn't too bad with one, although we have felt a bit foolish taking her
with us everywhere.  But two?  It will also get expensive, and, of course,
there is an airline limitation of one carry-on pet per plane.  This has been
a big concern.  Although we have dogs and cats, a rabbit, and fish, we
really haven't had a problem getting people to care for them.  I'm not
sure what it is, but I don't want to leave Peral in someone else's care.
I think she'd miss us too much.  And, I am pretty sure :) we will feel
the same way about our new addition.  

Thanks for any tips.  This newsgroup has been a wonderful source of
information.  And, the bird adventures are great.



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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Birdie Hazards
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:55:32 GMT
Keywords: potential dangers

folks,

ahh, hindsight is 20-20.

i think it would be most beneficial if we all share our ideas and
experiences for potential birdie hazards at home.  here's my 
contributions:

1.)  birdie fights .  *please* keep birdies separated if they want
to chew one another!  i cannot express the horror and guilt one
will experience if one birdie maims another...

2.)  carpet strings (can wrap around birdie legs)

3.)  nonClipped wings (see birdie in wild blue yonder!)

4.)  electrical cords (birdie chews thru 'em)

any more?
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From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Keywords: potential dangers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:11:24 GMT

In article <1k5uf7INN4fm@gap.caltech.edu> mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula) writes:
>rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>
>>7.) Hats.  (Local phenomenon only, I guess... My bird panics when someone
>>wears headgear... Can seriously injure herself if confined in a cage).
>
>Mine has the same reaction to hats.  Perhaps this is common 'tiel behavior?
>Anyone?
Since such birds raise the feathers on their head when excited (frightened
or otherwise agitated,) when they see a hat appear on a usually hatless
head, they "see" raised feathers. Typically, if one member of the flock
suddenly sends out an alarm, the other flock-mates will react accordingly.
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@karin.att.com
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From: miked@digibd.com (Mike Drew )
Subject: Finches
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:13:35 GMT
Summary: Advice for a beginner
Keywords: finches

I have finally decided to get a couple of finches. I have decided to build a
rather large cage out of hardware cloth and lumber. The cage will be 2'x3'x4'
tall. As a soon to be finch owner, I have a couple of questions.

	1) What is the min temp that they like to be kept at.
	   The temp goes down to 63-65 at night in my house, is
	   this too cool for them?

	2) What types of material are appropriate for the bottom of
	   the cage? I don't really like the idea of newspaper. Would
	   cedar chips be OK?

	3) Should I build a full spectrum light (or two) into the cage
	   while I am at it? From what I have read, light is very important
	   for proper health.

I mostly see postings about medium and large birds, I hope some small bird
people are out there too.


Mike
From: Sheree.Zaerr@bird.com (Sheree Zaerr)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: "HEY, WHERE'S MY FOOD?"
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:40:00 GMT


 KF> Will it just take more time, or is she never going to eat these 
 KF> pellets?

Kevin,

Yes it will take more time.  It sounds like you are doing fine.  I have 
converted many birds to a pelleted diet.  If he is eating fresh foods well 
& some pellets, you could try not giving any seed at all for a few days & 
even longer if you are POSITIVE he is eating the pellets to get him good & 
used to them.  My birds are all on pellets & fresh foods & receive seed 
only 2 or 3 times weekly as a treat. The most important thing to remember 
when converting your bird is to monitor his droppings CONSTANTLY to make 
sure he is eating an adequate amount.  You also might try giving your bird 
a variety of pellets.  Mine eat Lake's, Kaytee Exact, Lafeber's & 
Roudybush mainly & eat other brands as I offer them as well.

Sheree Zaerr,   Twin Peaks Aviary, Colorado


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