HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ellis@snowy.qal.berkeley.edu (Michael K. Ellis)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: Video Girl *
Date: 12 Apr 1992 10:22:48 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: snowy.qal.berkeley.edu
Keywords: AI

In article <s8j5eINNoil@agate.berkeley.edu> chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU writes:
<In article <s8aucINNnuc@agate.berkeley.edu< ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou) writes:
<<Old news, but Video Girl is no longer Ai.  So to say, Ai and Yooda chapter is
<<concluded.  Happy ending I might add.  The new story now has a new Video Girl
<<Ren (Ai = Love, Ren = Romance).  Yooda is now 25 years old, and he's no longer
<<the main character.
<
<What!? You mean there is MORE!? Hm... I wonder...
<
<<Anyways, so I was browsing, and all of a sudden.  "Wha!?  It's over!?"  I was
<<pretty shocked.  Oh well, Ai was good while she lasted.  


Yeek, when did this happen?  More specifically, around what volume.  I've
got up through volume 9, and there seemed to be plot material for another
volume or three left.

--
Michael K. Ellis
ellis@QAL.berkeley.edu
.sig? What .sig?
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Viz "alterations" (was Re: Your first manga?)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Mar27.212422.17264@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> coram@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram) writes:
>Is it just that I'm lucky, or aren't the _Crying Freeman_ GN's done in B&W?
>(Don't know about the seperate issures -- I always wait for the GN).

Well, yes, they are, but I think the graphic novels haven't caught up with
the colorized issues yet.  We'll see then whether or not they're in color
(personally, I think they will be--colorize it only to remove the color for
the compilation?  Yeah right!--but you never know...).
-- 
Bill "I went thru 14 years of school for this?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  Don't assume anything I say is truthful, accurate, or worthwhile.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Graffiti by Matsumoto Izumi
X-Phone-Reply-To: 045-336-5358 (work)/045-320-0492 (home) [in Japan]
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Japan, R&D center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:20:28 GMT
X-Mts: smtp

Here is the information about the one volume collection by Matsumoto
Izumi.

Graffiti
 ISBN4-08-871337-0 C0279 P370E
 price 370 yen.

contents			page
 Heart of Saturday Night	  5
 Panic in Orange Avenue		 51
 Agechau My Heart		 97
 Atomic Bonten Sensei		129
 Milk Report			145
 Short Short x 3		160
 Live Tottemo Rock'n Roll	167
 Ikinari Kinsei Patrol		199

The first story is great.  The characters are drawn exactly like
Kyosuke and Madoka from Orange Road..  The story is decent too.

By the way, I just bought Sesame Street volume 3 during lunch today.
I can't tell Chitose and Chiyoko apart..
--
Hitoshi Doi, International Open Systems Engineering        doi@jrd.dec.com
Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan                     doi@decvax.dec.com
Xref: sparky alt.manga:1257 rec.arts.anime:9443
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty)
Newsgroups: alt.manga,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: New version of MANGA MANGA is out!!
Keywords: Fred Schodt, MANGA MANGA, new version
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:12:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Apr10.000205.22317@athena.mit.edu>, pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.193227.8308@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes:
> >
> >Got it today at the local comix pusher.  It says "Updated Paperback Edition",
> >and in the cover is a bunch of various manga titles.  At a glance, I
> >recognized GOLGO 13, MAISSON IKKOKU, MAZINGER Z, some YAZ book I didn't
> >recognize, ASTROBOY and some other Tezuka, etc.
> 
> This work really needed a updated edition.

And didn't get it... :-(

What I didn't know when I posted the above is that there have been "Updated
Paperback Edition" versions since the mid 80's.  I heard that Schodt was
planning an updated version to cover exactly what you mentioned, and 
jumped the gun.  Gomen nasai...

All the manga excerpts are still from the very early 80's at the latest,
and some of the references were from the mid-80's, but that's it.

Fascinating book, regardless.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		   Disclaimer:  You're not dealing with AT&T.
From: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: Usenet Manga Titles List v2.0
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.

In article <axolotl.702963659@syzygy>
	axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

 :HANA TO YUME (260 Y, monthly) Hakusensha [white spring]

It's not monthly, 2 volumes at month. 250Yen each.

 :I'M ALIVE		Hoshino Naka		gunfights & blood depicted
			HOSHINO KANA
 :Boku no Chikyuu o	Kiwatori Saki (13)	previous lives/psychics
 :  mamotte (Please save my Earth)
			HIWATARI SAKI
 :Chikyuu no Ousama	Kuta Naoe		fantasy/highschools
 :  (The King of Earth)
			KITA NAOE
 :Doubutsu no ishasan	Sasaki Noriko (12+)	vet intern (realistic)
 :  (The Animals' Doctor)
  DOUBUTSU NO OISHASAN
 :Karin 		Kawasoo Masumi		fantasy (after 'I'M ALIVE')
 :  (Fire Wheel)
					(WHY YOU SAY, after 'I'M ALIVE'?)
 :Nante suteki ni	Yamauchi Naomi &	light Heinan era court romance
 :  Japanesuku		  Mimura Saeko
			  HIMURO SAEKO


 :LA LA  (370 Y, monthly) Hakusensha
 :Alexandrite		Narida Minako		college students/stylised NYC
			NARITA MINAKO
 :Pao yume no tamatakako 	Abiko Miwa 		fantasy/adventure
  PAO,YUME NO TAMATEBAKO
 :Tonari no Daboru	Nakaji Yuki		different twins (nice art)
 :  (The Double Next Door)
  TONARI NO DABURU

BTW, does anyone needs HANA-TO-YUME COMICS LIST written in JIS-code?

				TANAKA Jiro (TANAKA is my family name)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Date:          Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:06:25 PDT
From: Jeff Siegel <7100P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject:      Re: What would you buy???
To: MANGA FANS! <alt-manga@darwin.sura.net>

RE: David C.'s response to my comments on the high prices of anime goods:

This is not meant to be a flame, but
I can't tell where he stands on the issue of inflated prices for anime items
(the 'Jack off' in the keywords entry, and the 'heavy sarcasm' with respect
to fans paying higher prices to allow sellers windfall profits,  and the
general attitude that prices are high <even if due to extreme profit taking>
and fans will just have to live with it).

Our 'GREAT' government doesn't tax all imports at the same level.  Higher
taxes are levied to make an item less competetive against similar domestically
produced items or to lower the numbers of such items exported to the U.S.
Smaller levies are just for income and to offset operating costs of the
Customs agency.  I seriously doubt that anime items are taxed at 30%  since
there is no U.S. markets that can be adversely affected by the import of such
items.  There is definately no indiginous U.S. market for Japanese language
publications (books, manga, magazines, etc.), music, and video -- so there
is no reason to highly tax many of those items.

IMO, I don't like to be ripped off and don't like to see others suffer the
same.  It's even worse if another fan is taking advantage of fellow fans.
It may be a fact of life in anime fandom now that one must pay outrageously
high prices to pursue their hobby, but that doesn't make it right.  I look
forward to each time a new player enters the anime merchandising arena and
charges lower prices.  That will force any existing players to bring their
prices more in line.  Not all anime items can or ever will be cheap, but
there seems to be lots of room for improving prices.  The market will set
the prices, that's the basis for capitalism, but it's hard to buy anime
stuff knowing you're getting ripped (look at Crooks Nippan).


 -- > Jeff Siegel

  BITNET: 7100P@NAVPGS            :   815-A Ocean View Blvd
  INTERNET: 7100P@CC.NPS.NAVY.MIL :   Pacific Grove, CA  93950
  CIS: 70322.3533@COMPUSERVE.COM  :   (408) 649-3945
>>> What's wrong with being drunk?  Ask a glass of water that.
From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.japan.manga?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 06:32:51 GMT
Organization: studio 3x3, a.b.
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

Whoa, wait a sec!  I am no net police but I don't think Japan should go under
Rec.arts.  I know they're fun loving people, but the whole culture!?  I'd be
happy to see r.a.m. as is.

I assume it's common consensus among alt.manga readers that r.a.manga is more
appropriate than r.a.comics.manga.  And I'm pretty sure the reaction in r.a.c.
for the motion of r.a.m. is a big "who cares!" (save a few vocal conservatives)
Most people in rec.arts.anime would be in favor of r.a.m. anyways.  There 
shouldn't be reason for alarm.  Let them vote "NO".


-- 
                                                                         o
    davmou@ocf.berkeley.edu  ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu   studio 3x3  ^ ^

                          but one must dream on
From: chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: TaihoShichauzo (was:Re: Bloody Angels???)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 00:28:31 GMT
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers (UCSEE)
Distribution: USA
Reply-To: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu
Summary: No relation
Originator: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU

In article <alt.manga.DP0oiB1w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan) writes:

>called Taiho Shichauzo.  I was going through some Bloody Angel scripts 

No relation what so ever.

>that I can get them.  If so, who carries this manga?  I don't think 
>Nikaku (my regular shopping outlet) carries it.  Here's one storyline of 

Kinokuniya SF carried it (for a short while, before they sold out) I picked
up my set at AC91 (alone with handful of other people at GP (RIP) booth)
In fact, I've recently special ordered #6 from Kino... ($6.50, ouch!)

>        A hentai cop is trying to see/get pictures of the female cops 

Correction: an amature photographer (who stops at nothing to have his 
photos published) Gee, I actually remembers the plot... talk about hopelessly
addicted...

Dave C. (The Electric Monk)
From: hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: some useless observations
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:55:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <4073@sumax.seattleu.edu> kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu writes:
>here is some of the stuffs I found when I read some of the manga.
>
  ..............................................................
>
>on Mitsuru Adachi's Hiatari Ryoukou, wide edittion, book 1, page 95 (which 
>also shall be the same <book 1, page 95> for the regular edition), the
>pitcher on panel 3 suddenly change from a right hander to a left hander!
>and on the bottom of the same page, it shows the follow up of that pitch,
>as a right hander! but I guess we shouldn't be too hard on Adachi sensi, 
>he is the only person I know that can draw 2 pages of "blackness" and get 
>away with it (in Miyuki), of course, Adachi is known to goof ALL the time,
>like Touch, when Nitta Yuka suddenly know how to swim, or in Rough and 
            
I thought of that too, but I think Adachi can get away with the swimming
problem easily (I am not certain whether this is really a hole in Adachi's
plot).  When Nitta Yuka was drowned and saved by Tatsuya she was only in
junior high, but when she could swim she was already in Meisei high school.
Not only that considerable time has passed, but it's also possible that
the junior high does not have a swimming pool while Meisei does.  Also,
with Nitta Yuka's personalities, you can be sure that she will learn to
swim after that incident. ^_^  Hey, I happen to like her.  Almost as much as
Ibuki Yagami in Maison Ikkoku. ^_^

>Hiatari Ryoukou when characters don't know how to ski suddenly know how, 
>of course Adachi explain them away most of the time.  but he is one 
>of the more popular manga artist who really doesn't use his brain when 
>figuring out the plot for his story. :)  

Come on, if Adachi does not use his brain, who does?  I think he uses his
brain on some other important parts of the stories.  In my opinion, his 
manga and Takahashi's MI are the best mixtures of shonen and shojo manga
(from a male's point of view, of course. ^_^).

By the way, you forgot your signature block.  I did not forget, I have none.

Hon Yu
From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Rec.arts.japan.manga?
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:06:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.040629.11580
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

While I don't know how strong the oppression of rec.arts.manga is going to
be, the situation is annoying enough. I just see "Public Enemy" No.2
saying in news.groups that if we think the "japan"ness is more important
than the "comic"ness in manga, we should create a rec.arts.japan heierachy.
Although I don't totally agree with him on this, I think we might get lighter
opposition if we choose rec.arts.japan.manga.

Some other good points:

We can have rec.arts.japan.music rec.arts.japan.novel etc later

But there are many things to consider too:

The charter has to be changed to exclude manga not from Japan.
Do we have to put rec.arts.anime back to rec.arts.japan.anime?
Will we meet opposition to change it to rec.arts.japan.comics?
Is the name too long and repetitive?

So, what do you think? I have postponed the 2nd posting of RFD because
of this.

Patrick YIP  who wants Rec.arts.manga
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.japan.manga?
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.174536.27687@wdl.loral.com>, dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:
# pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
# >...I think we might get lighter opposition if we choose rec.arts.japan.manga.
# >
# >Some other good points:
# >We can have rec.arts.japan.music rec.arts.japan.novel etc later

We can put jpop in rec.arts.japan.music..

# >But there are many things to consider too:
# >The charter has to be changed to exclude manga not from Japan.
# 
# If we're going to change the location of the group, I like 
# rec.arts.comics.manga.  >gasp!<  It's true, through.  rec.arts.comics only
# has a western implication because that's all it has.  Once it gets
# rec.arts.comics.manga, that implication would be gone.
# 
# Then I would campaign furiously for the division of rec.arts.comics into
# further sub-groups! hee hee hee.
# 
# Also, we could keep the charter the same.

I would like to see rec.arts.manga, but if that's not possible..
How about rec.arts.comics.japan?
Manga = comics, so rec.arts.comics.manga doesn't make sense.

Or how about the entire fj.* structure that is in English
instead of Japanese?
--
Hitoshi Doi, International Open Systems Engineering        doi@jrd.dec.com
Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan                     doi@decvax.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:41:23 GMT


I would say that flame groups generally don't help much if any.
alt.flame doesn't get other groups flame material, it generates
its own.  I doubt any other flame groups would either.

I disagree, and think that alt.music.* would be better than the
very non-intuitive "alt.rock-n-roll" or "alt.emusic" or whathaveyou.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
               The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent;
   that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard
      to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
From: tjw@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace, etc
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:28:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr10.204751.8446@javelin.sim.es.com>, pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:

> What I'm upset about is the continual creation of specific SPECIFIC interest
> groups under alt.  Someone buys a new album, really likes it, and instead of
> taking it upon themselves to create a MAILING LIST, feels that the entire
> world would benefit from another damn newsgroup.  So they throw it out for
> discussion and when the rest of the world tells them how stupid it is, they
> create it anyway.

Don't newgroup it on your system.  If you're upset about alt.music.enya, you
must really be upset about:

	alt.my.head.hurts
	alt.sexy.bald.captains
	alt.westly.die.die.die

and the rest of the noise newgroup messages.  I've turned off automatic
newgrouping on the systems I'm managing because it's just easier to deal
with.  You could apply the same thing here.

Terry
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.war,soc.history
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: A new name for the proposed group (Was RFD: alt.american-civil-war)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:48:26 GMT

In general, the comments I have been receiving about the proposed Civil War
newsgroup have to do with the name that is involved.  The points that are made
are quite valid.

To more logically suit the network hierarchy, the name will be changed from
alt.american-civil-war to something else (there have been a number of good
suggestions) when and if the newsgroup is ever created.

As per the suggestions:

The new name will 1) not have the word "american" in it, since this can be
ambiguous; 2) should more logically fit into a hierarchy (alt.war.*****;
soc.history.*******, etc.)

Thanks to you all for your suggestions and comments.

(Follow-ups to alt.config).

Patrick Dunn
The Ohio State University
email: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Xref: sparky alt.config:2987 alt.rock-n-roll:10049 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:6676
From: becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: alt.rock-n-roll.hard: Who wants to do a newgroup?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:48:56 GMT
Organization: UB

swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.184400.23925@ctr.columbia.edu> vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.171644.8441@acsu.buffalo.edu> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
>>>
>>>Since the feedback on my idea to create alt.rock-n-roll.hard has been nothing
>>>but positive, could someone out there send out a newgroup message?
>>
>>*Your* idea?  <ahem> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

>Actually it -was- his idea.  Or he was the first to formally propose it,
>at any rate.  Or he claimed credit for it so fast that the real originator
>of it never had a chance.  Take your pick.  :-)

How about: It was my idea, but since I'm not a news administrator, I can't,
nor do I know how to send a newgroup message.

>>Seriously, though, how does one go about it?  I've always been curious...don't
>>we have to clear it with the Powers that Be?

>Nope.  Welcome to the "altnet", where anarchy rules.  ;-)  We just need
>some friendly newsadmin to issue the newgroup.

Are all you netadmins listening? 

>>>Also, WRT Maple's suggestion to move *.metal groups into the new alt.music
>>>hierarchy, I'm all for it. 
>>
>>Why bother?  We're here now, and it's not *that* big a deal...is it?

>Well, it would help keep the rock-n-roll folks from continuously spilling over
>into this group.  That's gotta be worth -something-...  :-)

Agreed...That will cut down on the "They're rock not metal" debates, but then
again, so would the creation of alt.rock-n-roll.hard.

--Don

-- 
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From: bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Forged posting! newgroup alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:38:12 GMT
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario

In article <3349@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
|In article <1992Mar30.150238.20569@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
|>From newshost.uwo.ca!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!censor!feline!ctmsd2!halt!gorgonzola!prettybird!news.funet.fi!hmj Mon Mar 30 09:36:41 EST 1992
|>Article: 66528 of control
|>Path: newshost.uwo.ca!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!censor!feline!ctmsd2!halt!gorgonzola!prettybird!news.funet.fi!hmj
|...
|>Control: newgroup alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:
|
|>Please check newgroup messages for a path containing
|>censor!feline!ctmsd2!halt! stupidname stupidname
|
|Is anybody trying to track these?  censor!feline!ctmsd2 is a valid
|path.  Halt may be as well, but it's not listed in the Canadian
|maps.
|
|Bruce,  You're name is on the map entries for feline and
|ctmsd2 - do you have enough influence on these people to track
|it down?
|
|H'm.  Bruce Becker...  Is this *your* doing?

	
	Someone seems to be trying to make it look that way, eh.


	The original poster (magundi@julian.uwo.edu) was
	sufficiently concerned that he went to the trouble
	of trying to track this down (partly since he was
	getting flak from a sysadmin) - he managed to get
	as far as feline, so he actually gave me a phone
	call.  As far as I could tell he did not post the
	followups, so I offered to talk to the sysadmin
	if it would help cool the fellow out.


	There's no-one at ctmsd2 as far as I know who is
	likely to be able to forge something like this...


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org	Uucp: ...!lsuc!becker!bdb
 `\o\-e	 "James Brown, Mark Hosler, Al Jourgenson.
 _< /_	 			Coincidence or conspiracy?" - pashdown
From: oea@zirak.uio.no (Odd Einar Aurbakken)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Create alt.tm for Transcendental Meditators?
Keywords: Transcendental Meditation
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:25:52 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

In article <sVPNiB15w164w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (From A to B) writes:
> oea@zirak.uio.no (Odd Einar Aurbakken) writes:
> > How about alt.meditatio?
> 
> That might get filled with Buddhists.  How about alt.meditation.tm?

That's a more reasonable name. But in the light of the overwhelming
enthusiasm shown here it's probably going to be Yet Another Dead Group.
alt.meditation might have a big enough audience. If the volume gets
too high one can always split it.

-- 
[-oea]P
[Just another dc hacker,]Pq
Newsgroups: alt.config