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From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: McClure's South Africa: THE SONG DOG
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:09:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <1992Sep1.200441.786@henson.cc.wwu.edu> lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert) writes:
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<I just finished reading James McClure's excellent mystery novel THE
<SONG DOG.  This is a "prequel" to his Kramer and Zondi novels in
<which the white and black South African police officers meet for the 
<first time.  I recommend it highly.  
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<However...the last page includes a passage that is apparently a
<prediction about the eventual fate of the two officers, and I wonder if
<it is a reference to actual events in South Africa.  If you know more
<about South Africa than I do, perhaps you can fill me in.  So as to
<avoid spoilers for anyone who is thinking of reading the book, I will
<drop down a screen...
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<Zondi tells Kramer that the Zulu withc he consulted tells him to
<beware of the wife of the man who was taken prisoner that week: apparently
<a reference to Nelson (and therefore) to WInnie Mandela.  Then he says
<that according to the witch someday the two officers will "stand alone
<together, arm in arm, in a black township, wearing red necklaces as 
<bright as petrol flames, on the orders..."  Then there is an interruption.
<I would assume the orders are coming from one of the Mandelas, by the
<context.  
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<My assumption is that this is a description of the cops' deaths.  Does this
<make
<sense to anyone who knows more about Sotuh Africa than I do?  Or perhaps
<it is a prediction of an event still in the future.  I dunno.  Good book,
<though.

Yes; it makes good sense.  There's a practice in Soweto (although it may be
in other places too) called "necklacing."  They fill a tire with gasoline,
put it around someone's neck, and set it on fire.  It's been used primarily
on blacks suspected of being traitors (and anyone else Winnie Mandela doesn't
like).  A really sick idea.

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"So he's had the lifelong ambition of reversing the polarity of the earth?"
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: I give up...
Date: 4 Sep 1992 02:37:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


>> [quote from _Dover Beach_ by Matthew Arnold]
>>
>
>	Judging by the number of responses, I'd say that either
>	this is an incredible piece of work that everyone but myself
>	has read many times and memorized, or it is very easy to find in
>	popular quote books.  Which is it?

Both?
-- 
      ||    Gary Lee Stonum                gxs11@po.cwru.edu    ||
      ||    English Department                  216-368-3342    ||
      ||    Case Western Reserve University                     ||
      ||    Cleveland, OH 44106-7117                            ||
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: rec.arts.books Frequently Asked Questions
Keywords: monthly
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:42:16 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (evelyn.c.leeper)

qIn article <1992Aug25.152942.17772@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com () writes:

>B. Traven is believed to be the pseudonym of a (German? Austrian? 
>Czekoslovakian?) Ret Marut, who emigrated after a failed revolution in 
>Bavaria rather hastily to Mexico about 1919.

The above isn't so good a summary.  Ret Marut is just as phoney a name as
B. Traven.  My original was much better.  I'd recommend the following:

B. Traven is a pseudonym for someone of uncertain national origin, who
went to great lengths to obfuscate his past.  German was probably his
first language, despite his disclaimers that it was English.  His works
were all originally published in German, and usually translated into
English by someone else, but the US edition of THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA
MADRE was edited for word order from B. Traven's own translation.  (And
we know he was faking the bad word order, since his letters and diaries
are in proper order.)

>How about switches to other languages?  French has Samuel Beckett
>(English), Camara Laye (Dahomey), (possibly) Julien Green (English), and
>Leon Troyat (Lev Tarassov, a.k.a. Lev Tarossian) (Russian? Armenian?).
>Russian has Fazil Iskander (Abkhaz) and Chingiz Aitmatov (a Central
>Asian Turkish dialect).  Was Paul Celan's first language was Hungarian?
                                                          ^^^--delete.
>9) What books or plays have been written about scientists?

>Pynchon, Thomas: GRAVITY'S RAINBOW
>Pynchon, Thomas: V

That's "V.", not "V"!

>?: CALCULUS OF MURDER

Rosenthal, Erik: THE CALCULUS OF MURDER
Rosenthal, Erik: ADVANCED CALCULUS OF MURDER
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:04:11 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Emma Pease writes:

	This is true only in a general sense.  Stanford, where Francis works
	and posts, is not in Palo Alto despite the errors stating it is in
	many newsmagazines and newspapers.  


What, is Stanford an entity unto itself, like the Vatican?  I always
thought it was in Palo Alto.  Get you get sanctuary on the Stanford
campus?


William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Take a Chill (Re: The Literary Canon)
Keywords: race canon
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:21:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep2.172129.8019
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <12084@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <87485@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>> In article <11986@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># #IS!  The only circumstance where I have a functional definition of
># #a person's race is for the purposes of identification.  "Can you
># #describe the person driving the other car?"  "Yes, officer, white,
># #dark hair, dark complexion, heavy." 
>#                              ^^^^^
># 
># Ah-ha!  So now you're saying all Turkish people are fat, eh?   
># Goodness, this thread is fun.
># 
># Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
>
>Why are liberals so dense?  I was giving an example of how I might
>describe a mythical driver in a hit-and-run accident.  Yes, most
>Turks I know are rather heavy.  So are most Americans I know of
>German ancestry (including me).  I was giving a description such as
>you might give to a police officer.  If I had said, thin, you would
>have attacked me for that.  If I had said, "average build" I would
>be criticized for that.
>-- 

Uh, Clayton. I think the above was intended as a joke. 

If people don't start remembering to have a sense of humor, I'm going
to start passing out valium around here.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Wanted: Old Dean Koontz SF Novels
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:21:08 GMT

	Can anyone help me?  I'm looking for old Dean R. Koontz novels!  
Which includes sci-fi or any of his books under a pen name!  I know that
they're out of print, but one can hope....
	Any help would be very appreciated!!!!

			-Casey Hopkins
			hopkins@agora.rain.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Subject: Re: Back to Books
Reply-To: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:03:32 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.195439.10516@novell.com>, janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone) writes:
|>I have a problem, which I hope you R.a.b.belaisians can help me solve: 
|>I am in a fiction funk. The problem is so severe that I believe 
|>they should add a new diagnostic category to depression for people 
|>who can't seem to find anything to read. 
|>
How about a different time instead of place? Try _The Living_ by Annie Dillard
or (I know it is science-fiction) _Time and Again_ by Jack Finney.

				Martin K. Jones
	   			University of Alabama at Birmingham
	   			MARTIN@ARU.DOM.UAB.EDU
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Books on Robin Hood
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:28:03 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

I'd like to build a reference list (like my Arthurian list) of books
on Robin Hood.  Fiction, poetry, and research type books are all
welcome.  Please email all references, I will eventually publish it as
a reading list on this group.

Thanks muchly in advance,
--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu       | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet
UUCP:     ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Progress (Was : Re: The Literary Canon)
Keywords: racism, canon
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:58:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep4.165855.25568
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep4.150138.9110@cci632.cci.com> dwp@cci632.cci.com (Dana Paxson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.155007.29485@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>	WE ARE NOT YET IN THE PROMISED LAND. WE ARE STILL IN THE
>>WILDERNESS.
>>
>
>I would like to second Terrance Heath on this one.  As I see it,
>we are still in the wilderness when it comes to skin color in the
>USA.  For me, the experiences of listening and witnessing are so
>telling:


	This brings to mind an experiment that was done on a
television news program (a 20/20 type newsmagazine). 
	Two young men, both clean cut, of equal intellegence, etc.
from the same high school were sent out to to a litle experiment. Each
was was sent out seperately to (1) apply for the same job, (2) shop
for cars at the same dealer and (3) look at the same apartment as a
potential renter.  
	The difference between the two young men was that one was
white and the other black.  The white young man was sent out first,
interviewed for the job, treated like any other customer by the car
salesman, and shown the apartment by the landlord.  The young black
man was sent out immediately following the youn white man, to find the
job already filled (so quickly!), doubtful questions about his credit
as the car dealership, and the apartment already taken (so quickly!).
It shoudl be noted that the young white man neither accepted the job,
or the apartment.
	The young white man was honestly dismayed that "that sort of
thing" still happened, and to his friend, in 1992.
-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Keywords: race canon
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:27:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <12084@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>Why are liberals so dense?  I was giving an example of how I might
>describe a mythical driver in a hit-and-run accident.  Yes, most
>Turks I know are rather heavy.  So are most Americans I know of
>German ancestry (including me).  I was giving a description such as
>you might give to a police officer.  If I had said, thin, you would
>have attacked me for that.  If I had said, "average build" I would
>be criticized for that.

I'm getting damned tired of your insulting blanket generalizations about 
liberals.  Besides that, you sound paranoid.


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: avatar@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shayne Macfarlane)
Subject: Re: Dragonbone Chair / Tad Williams
Keywords: Epic Fantasy
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:52:39 GMT

dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:

>hphri@usho26.hou281.chevron.com (P.H.Rice) writes:


>>Has anyone heard ANYTHING about the third book in "The Dragonbone Chair"
>>series?  It has been around two years since he put out "The Stone of Farewell"
>>(second book in the series).  Thanks for any information.

>Well, it was quite a while between books last time. I don't mind in this case,
>because his books are worth the wait. 

>On a similar "Waiting for the last book" note, has anyone heard if Glen Cook
>died or just decided not to write the last book of his Black Company series?

>Axly


I can't say that I am a great fan of Tad Williams, but I am one of 
	Glen Cook. If anybody does know what has happened here,
	could they post it.

Thanks
Shayne

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: The Net-Anarchists of SCI, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:01:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.202645.13056@newshost.lanl.gov> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.170508.12071@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug25.153404.2055@ccs.QueensU.CA> 3005904@jeff-lab.queensu.ca (Colleen Davis (Dexter)) writes:
>|> >In article <787@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
>|> >> 
>|> >> In article <1992Aug21.081211.5150@pacifier.rain.com> keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow) writes:
>|> >> >In article <g60nbv2z@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>|> >> >>In article <1992Aug18.140604.19294@wam.umd.edu> ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect) writes:
>|> >> >>>In article <chris.714120892@rufus> chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:
>|> >> >>>>ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect) writes:
>|> >> >>>>
>|> >> >>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>|> >> >>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>|> >> >>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>|> >> >>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>|> >> >WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>|> >> TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>|> >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>|> WHY DO ALIEN INVADERS MAKE YOU SHIVER ?
>FOR THE SAME REASON AS A MADMAN WITH A CLEAVER!
YOU SOUND LIKE QUAYLE WITH A GHASTLY FEVER !

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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: The White Man's Burden of Proof. Was: The Literary Canon
Keywords: Greeks race Looney Rooney
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:29:46 GMT

Marcy Thompson writes:

	In a recent rec.arts.books article, Michael Sean Rooney wrote:

		Sorry, Clayton, but claiming that the classical Greeks 
		were "indisputably white" is indisputably stupid.  Quod 
		erat demonstratum.

	Sorry, Michael, but you're wrong. The definition of caucasian 
	used by anthropologists includes Turks, Arabs, Iranians, East 
	Indians and plenty of other people whose skin may be very, very 
	dark.

Not to forget the Berbers. Although I was more or less colorblind by the
time I worked among the Tuareg, they would have been horrified to have 
been thought black. Are they the remnants of the great Phoenicians?
Aquiline features, ivory skinned and a written language. Their womenfolk
are the poets, which makes them, I guess, matriarchal by some anthropological
norms.

							Fido
there?)
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:06:59 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug27.223511.13155@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>Mike Morris writes of the "Shakespeare's Sister" argument:
>
>>
>>My complaint is that I think this over-romanticizes being a
>>writer, as though one were completely born to such a talent. I think
>>one can see the absurdity if one imagines instead that she commits
>>suicide really because she was born with a genius for sitar playing and
>>she has been frustrated by having no outlet for this talent.
>
>
>Mike Morris' arguments are always so thoughtful and reasoned that I
>hate to disagree with him here, but I don't think this comparison
>holds at all. One is not "born with a genius for sitar playing" anymore
>than one is "born with a genius for writing in Hindu."  But one
>might be born with a genius for composing music, and if a person of
>whatever culture with such a "genius" were consistently denied access
>to the tools of developing and using that talent, they would live, I
>think, in great misery indeed.
>
>Kate

I have to agree with Kate here. However, one word from Mike's post
leapt out at me, and that was the word "completely" in reference to
one's being born to a particular talent.  While there is some argument
as to whether schools make writers, I would assert that to some degree
one is indeed "born" to the raw talent or unrefined genius for writing
in one's given language.  And if one is aware of this gift, and
desires to use it, but is actively denied (as Kate put it) access to
the tools neccesary (I can't spell worth a damn) to developing and
using that talent, one might indeed go mad or at least become
inconsolably bitter.   I am certain, under those circumstances, I
would do both.




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: word@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Heinemann)
Subject: Re: ENTROPY & IRONY
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:55:00 GMT


This biography, I assume, would be about a page long?

Maybe printed on the back of a baseball card? (with that
natty picture of TP in his Navy outfit on the front?)

Ed

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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Sea stories
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:15:29 GMT

Jack Campin writes:

	I think most of the postings in this thread have tended towards
	The Romance of Sail.  For something thoroughly unromantic about
	iron, coal and steam, try B. Traven's "The Death Ship"... what he
	describes there (worn-out ships being sailed just so they can sink
	for the insurance money) is still going on, too.



Not quite as bleak, but certainly not the Romance of Sail is Farwley
Mowat's "Grey Seas Under".  This nonfiction story is about a company
that owns ocean going salvage tugs out of Nova Scotia.  They only
sail, it seems, when there is a massive hurricane and ships are
floundering in the North Atlantic.  They tow the ships that are
abandoned or when asked aboard for the salavage money on ship and cargo.
They would often stand by in terrible seas watching a ship get closer and
closer to breaking up while the crew tried to save it without turning
it over to the salvage crew.

Talk about risky business.

This is not Mowat's best effort and after the 10th hurricane it gets
a little repetitious.  Nothing, however, dimmed my admiration for the
sailors of these tugs, unless it was to question their sanity.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Dragonbone Chair / Tad Williams
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:37:07 GMT
Keywords: Epic Fantasy

hphri@usho26.hou281.chevron.com (P.H.Rice) writes:


>Has anyone heard ANYTHING about the third book in "The Dragonbone Chair"
>series?  It has been around two years since he put out "The Stone of Farewell"
>(second book in the series).  Thanks for any information.

Well, it was quite a while between books last time. I don't mind in this case,
because his books are worth the wait. 

On a similar "Waiting for the last book" note, has anyone heard if Glen Cook
died or just decided not to write the last book of his Black Company series?

Axly

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:59:11 GMT

MICHAEL WISE, from the English Department at UNLV writes:
	
	 I have to recommend good newsmagazines to my undergraduates for their
	 term papers. As it stands, there is no American newsmagazine on that
	 list. 


Mark Taranto writes:
	
	But I'm sure there is some perfectly good reason why Michael's students
	are writing term papers using "newsmagazines" instead of books.




I don't think the English language has been confined to books just yet.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Report to the r.a.b.ble, or How I Spent My Summer Vacation
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:44:55 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
> ... I'm driving a small car, this is ridiculous.  And after a big binge like
> this, I promise myself I will not even LOOK at a bookstore for months.  And
> like an alcoholic sniffing a cork right after a big binge, I slipped off
> the wagon right away, the next morning. ...

I've finally decided that I might as well plan for my addictions, so I
keep a roll of heavy mailing tape and a couple of collapsed boxes in
the car, for the instant in the trip when the books start pushing you
out of the car...  Even then, I sometimes have interesting conversations
such as this one, with a US Customs officer:  "You *bought* 6 volumes of
the Flora of Illinois in *WALES*?!?!"  "Uh-huh.  They were pretty 
reasonable."  I think it was at that point he decided he didn't *really*
want to look through all my baggage... ;-)

Kay Klier
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:01:38 GMT

> [The Economist] competes over here with Time and Newsweek, both solid
> examples of drool-proof journalism.

In my opinion, as a regular reader of Newsweek and an occasional reader
of Time, this complaint is grossly exaggerated.
-- 
Mark Brader			"Bad news disturbs his game; so does good;
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		 so also does the absence of news."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				-- Stephen Leacock

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From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: Review of _Rogue Justice_
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:29:46 GMT

   some minor comments:

   (1) I got the impression that the narrator of Rogue Male was being
carefully ambiguous as to whether his target was Hitler or Stalin.
This ambiguity was removed in the sequel

   (2) I felt that one of Tony Hillerman's books borrowed quite a bit
from Rogue Male (THE BLESSING WAY, I think).