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From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Brand New Heavies
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1992Sep9.215648.16032@athena.mit.edu>, ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi) writes:
|> 
|>  mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Anthony Carnevale)writes:
|> >An unrelated question:  I was just listening to an R&B station, and I
|> >heard a crappy disco-sounding track that was just released, and Dres
|> >from the Sheep was rapping over it.  As I was listening, I almost felt
|> >embarassed for Dres.  If anyone else knows anything about it, let me
|> >know.  I have no idea what the name of the song is, but I can only
|> >compare it to LL's dumb effort on Keith Sweat's "Why Me, Baby," although
|> >it's not slow like that.
|> >
|> >OK, I'm as good as gone,
|> >
|> >-Mc
|> 
|> You probably heard the cut with Dres from the Brand New Heavies new album:
|> " Heavy Rhyme experience Vol 1" (or somethin like that).  The album is quite dope
|> when you consider that ity is like a lyrical and instrumental freestyle live
|> instruments etc.
|> 
|> Selector.

 Actually it is another song Dres raps on. Something by Vanessa Williams I think.
 Heard it on the radio and it took a while before I realized that it was Dres
 cuz it wasn't exactly Black Sheep-style music. BNH new album is good and
 a nize departure from the usual reusing of old tracks. Instead this record
 is going to be a sampled a lot cause there are many intro's with just a wah-wah
 or a drum beat. BTW who are Pharcyle?
					
						-Palle Zetterstrand
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Del Tha Funkee's "Burnt"
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:30:55 GMT

   There'a a particular song called "Burnt" on the 12" to "MistaDobalina"
 which is one of his finest tracks.  But, hell, it's NOT ON THE ALBUM.

  Is there any import/domestic CD-single which has this track?

                                                                   K!z!K

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: what's up and concert info
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.181348.5752@athena.mit.edu>, agoyo1@athena.mit.edu (Acee Agoyo) writes:
>What's up to everybody who reads alt.rap.
>
>Are there any upcoming concerts in the Boston area?
>Also, is the new K-SOLO any good?
>
>
>"I got you working on the nightshift"
>agoyo1@athena.mit.edu

Don't know 'bout Boston, but the new K-Solo is good.  IMO, much better than his
first... I can listen to this one straight through for the most part.

                                                      T-Dub
                                                      SHYGUY productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: randym@eskimo.celestial.com (Randall Moeller)
Subject: We Need More Feminist Rap TV Shows
Keywords: home turf, cable access, feminist rap
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:25:31 GMT


     There's an excellent series on a San Fran cable access channel
called "Home Turf."  It's narrated by Imamu Amiri Baraka's
daughter Dominique.  She basically interviews rap artists around
the Bay Area, with an emphasis on woman rappers & the messages
they're trying to send out (if the episodes I saw before moving
up here to Seattle are representative).  Thought-provoking
dialogue, very down-to-earth interviewing style, & many cool
performance clips.  Check it out if you're in the Bay Area
(if they haven't cancelled it yet).  There was an article
about "Home Turf" in a "Mother Jones" magazine from the fall
of 1990 -- it had Salt'N'Pepa on the front cover.
     There should be many more shows like that on TV, if only
to provide a fun & much-needed counterbalance to the macho
posturings so common in rap (& heavy metal, & et cetera).
Are there more shows like "Home Turf" out there?  'Cause I
haven't seen a-one besides that one.  (Though you'd think
Jimi Hendrix' home turf would be hip enough to have one...)
That's why I wanna suggest that....
          YOU CAN BE THE HOST OF YOUR OWN RAP SHOW!!!!
Just about every town with cable seems to have a "public access"
channel that would *love* to have you come in & produce your
own TV show.  You can call your cable company for details.
That's what I did a few days ago.  All you gotta do here in
Latte-land is have a meeting with the cable company "facilitator"
to discuss ideas for your TV series, then you schedule some
studio time with your first guest(s), have some friends come
along to help with the shooting, & soon you're on the air.
     I'd really like to see more women (& men) hosting their
own rap shows on cable access.  If you're reading this, then
you're already into creative, alternative, democratic forms
of communication.  Why not express yourself on video as well
as here in the a.r group?  You'll probably have an
unexpectedly wide group of fans who can't wait to hear what
you have to say every week.
                             You know life
                                 is all about expression.
                     You only live once and you're not coming back
                                            so express yourself.
                                                            Yeah!
                         -- Salt'N'Pepa
                                    Hasta la vista,
                                    Randee
From: mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Female Rappers?
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:44:11 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <BtywFD.7Iw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pbu4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (EL
TERRIBLE) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.121758.10231@waikato.ac.nz>, pkingi@waikato.ac.nz
writes..
>.
>>In article <1992Aug13.045237.25306@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>,
hamilton_g@kosmos.wcc.g
>ovt.nz writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hey the best female rapper of all time is Icy Blue,  Not only does she have
>>> good taste i music she has a good voice and a massively good looking body!!
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>Icy Blu is my cousin's favourite rapper too, but she's only 7. This network
>>should be reserved for those on the serious tip - don't give NZ hip hop fans 

ICY BLUE????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
NEXT!!!

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Chubb Rock's New One
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:50:41 GMT

Hello all.  It's good to be back after the move from school.  In my absence
from the net, I made a trip up to Toronto where some stores out on Yonge St.
still have mad wax for sell.  It's a shame you have to search so hard to find
an album on vinyl in my area and many others here in the US.  But anyway...

Anyone else check out the new Chubb Rock, "I Gotta Get Mine, Yo! (Book Of
Rhymes)?"  This is without a doubt his best album yet.  Even the 3 or 4 (out
of 17-21 album cuts) R&B-influenced songs don't sound bad.  But, the
Chubbster is at his best when he gets ill over a hardcore hip hop beat.
Check out Red Hot Lover Tone on his three cameos as he comes off much harder
than he did on Serchs's, 'Back To The Grill Again.'  'Yaba-Daba-Doo' is a
standout posse cut and, 'Three Men At Chung King,' features Puba sounding
his best since the Brand Nubian Album; I mean, Puba *COMES OFF* on this
trak making his new album really something to wait for.  Chubbs also does
some new styles that work and invents a new personality, something like
the Nasal MC or something where it sounds like he holds his nose on the
entire track.  The first time he did this, it's Ok, but the second track
like this is better.  Anyway, definately a album to pick up.  I got it on
CD and am now looking for it on wax because I see a lot of mixing potential
with this one.

                                                   T-Dub
                                                   SHYGUY Productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley)
Subject: Should we diss Hammer (Was Re: Fab 5 Freddy)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 12:14:10 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu


In article <BuBFrJ.LxH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v523d85n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C Maggio) writes:
> >Didn't ICE-T say something good about MC Household tool on a spoken track
> >on Original Gangster? I can't remember what though,haven't listened to that one in
> >ages. But, Fredde, maybe you don't consider ICE-T as "real"?
> >				-Palle Zetterstrand
> 
> yeah it's onn a track called M.V.P's where he's basically giving shout outs to
> everybody.  he says at the very end "this goes out to the one and only MC
> HAMMER, a lot of people dis you,man, they just jealous...FUCK EM"

Here's my 2 cents...

I think the only reason that not too many hip-hop P-funk loving ghetto 
underground BASS kick rap-from-the-streetz folx don't like Hammer because he's
been swallowed up by mainstream America with the Hammer cartoons, dolls & 
other junk. However, I also saw him at Muhammed Ali's birthday, and while we
sit and diss him, a lot of our "hardcore" heroes are sending shouts out to him
in their records. Hmmmmmmmm......

Would anyone love Ice T less if they found out that rap-hating Sam Kinneson 
was one of his good friends? 

Back to Hammer: It seems that his reasons for doing music are around money 
and entertaining everybody, not just the folx from the underground. Sure, we
hip hop folx don't like it, but maybe we need to step back and realize that
if he were trying to draw us in, he would work on his lyrical skills and do 
more slow tracks :) 'Cause NO I don't think Hammer belongs in the hardcore
genre. But I do respect his seeming motives / business sense / hard work.

Enough rambling. Peace to Gumby and his posse (you too Fedde d:-)  ), DJ Phyz
wherever he's at, Flash X and the HardC.O.R.E. committee, and anyone else I
missed that reads alt.rap (lemme know thru email and I'll include you next
time...)

==AD, email atb@engin.umich.edu
From: djh4535@rigel.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: lyrics
Date: 15 Sep 1992 23:03:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

i want to know if any of you have the lyrics to:
1.back to the grill again  ----m.c.serch 
2.what's the 411---------------mary j. blige
3.loosey-----------------------das effects
4.dum-dums---------------------das effects
5.self-destruction--(oldie)----various (i think the Stop the violence movement)

i would appriciate it. . . . thanx

p.s. where do you get them from any way.

			d.j.loki seth I
From: jsuit@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (janice.r.s.suit)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Music
Summary: Mary J. Blige and Grand Puba
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:41:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T

> Mary J. Blige "Real Love" - This Is The Song That Uses Audio Two's, "Top
>        Billin'," beat and comes off.  Features A Remix With *just* this beat

Also Mary J. Blige has a duet with Grand Puba called "What's the 411?"
The rekidd is all dat.  Also don't, I repeat do not, sleep on Redman.
Another dope brother down wit EPMD's Hit Squad.

Out...
************ ************ ************ ************ *****************
Janice R.S. Suit            "So Hello, Hello, Hello, and how ya'
AT&T Bell Laboratories       doing forget the small talk now it
Middletown, NJ 07748         time for me to ruin those who don't
email: att!mtfmk!janice1     believe in what I'm saying, when I
                             put up the wall of words ain't no
                             way into my Queendom." -- Queen Latifah
                            
************ ************ ************ ************ *****************
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:26:01 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Fab 5 Freddy
 <1992Sep9.121745.28914@etek.chalmers.se> <1992Sep10.155559.21379@sci.kun.nl>

In article <1992Sep10.155559.21379@sci.kun.nl>, progwed@sci.kun.nl (Patrick
Atoon) says:
>Palle Zetterstrand (superfly@etek.chalmers.se) wrote:
>>Didn't ICE-T say something good about MC Household tool on a spoken track
>>on Original Gangster? I can't remember what though,haven't listened to that
>>one in ages. But, Fredde, maybe you don't consider ICE-T as "real"?
>
>If I remember correctly, Ice-T said something like this:
>"To the one and only MC Hammer,
> a lot of people dis you man,
> FUCK 'EM!"

I think it was "A lot of people dis you man, that's just cuz' they're jealous
  Fuck 'em"
The "jealous" part proves that he was being positive with him.
 the whole song was about his homies- and he listed Hammer among them.

Make of it what you will, I think it's admirable on Ice's part.
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Review: MC Serch, "Return of the Product"
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:11:11 GMT

                          HIP HOP ALBUM REVIEW

                    MC SERCH, "Return of the Product"

                                                                By David J.

     When 3rd Bass first broke nationwide in 1990, they were it as far as
white rap artists were concerned.  Pete Nice, MC Serch and Sam Sever (Richie
Rich joined the group when Sever departed for Downtown Science) ran the show
like few else could, and they became one of the top hip hop crews in the
nation.
     Their breakup didn't make me too happy, especially since they went out
with a soft single like "Gladiator."  Hearing about it didn't surprise me,
though, since Richie Rich was working in his own production company, Serch
was busy promoting other acts, and Pete Nice was, well, Pete Nice.  My only
hope was that they'd come back with some slammin' material.
     Serch strikes first with his new album, "Return of the Product," and
it doesn't miss much.  He leads off with the right single ("Here It Comes"),
and drops loads of "fat beats and basslines" throughout the album.  He also
sends his messages with all the usual bluntness you expect from an MC Serch.
"Social Narcotics" and "Return of the Product" deal with how we look over
little things in our society that are racist as if they were nothing, and
the title cut talks about how Serch got started and how almost all of his
original homies are dead.
     After the first three tracks (which are probably the best on the LP, as
is the Skeff Anselm-produced "Hits the Head"), I figured this would be a dope
album, but as it wore on, something seemed to be missing from the cuts.  It
wasn't the bass, it wasn't the rhythm, and it certainly was never the rhyme.
So what was missing?
     Pete Nice.
     3rd Bass was the perfect team, because while Serch was always buggin'
out, Pete played it cool, and they offset each other and made the jams.  Here,
they are still the jams, but it's all bugged out, and there's nothing to
balance it off.  This is where Serch lacks in going solo, and this is why the
LP isn't quite up there with the best of them.
      Still, "Return of the Product" is a very solid album and worth a discount
price if you can find it somewhere.  If you're looking for 3rd Bass, though,
they broke up, and it's more than evident on this LP.

David J's rating - * * * (out of four)

-- 
- David J. --------- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS.  Bloomington, IN; Durham, NC. -
- e-mail: dwarner@miami.ucs.indiana.edu -------------------------------------
***************** "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE" ********************
***************** BRP's debut 12" single -- coming soon  ********************
From: jsuit@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (janice.r.s.suit)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Big Daddy Kane
Keywords: back to da street
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:17:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Video Music Box's (the best video show, IMHO,
straight outta New York City) Crazy Sam did an
interview with Kane, last week.  Kane's new album
is SUPPOSE to drop at the end of October.
Kane stated in doing this album he went back to his roots, the streets.
He said "I goin' back to the Biz Markie days".

I hope so, cause his last two efforts were none of dat...

Out...
************ ************ ************ ************ *****************
Janice R.S. Suit            "So Hello, Hello, Hello, and how ya'
AT&T Bell Laboratories       doing forget the small talk now it
Middletown, NJ 07748         time for me to ruin those who don't
email: att!mtfmk!janice1     believe in what I'm saying, when I
                             put up the wall of words ain't no
                             way into my Queendom." -- Queen Latifah
                            
************ ************ ************ ************ *****************
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: crossover
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:05:10 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Let's get up, let's get down
Roll with the hardcore funk the hardcore sound
Let's get with this funkadocious mack material
So simple, when I rock with the instrumental
(Whom am I?)  ED the green-eyed bandit
Control my career so I can never get stranded
But the rest are gettin brand nubian
Change up their style, from jeans to suits and
Thinkin about a pop record
Somethin made for the station
For a whole new relation-ship
A new type of scene
To go platinum, and clock mad green
A.K.A. a sellout, rap definition
Get off that boy change your mission
Come back around the block
Punk Color Me Badd, to the ahhh-tick tock
Let them know your logo, not a black thing
My background sing, my background sing
For the crossover

The rap era's outta control
Brothers sellin their sould to go gold
Goin goin gone!  Another rapper sold
(Swoop) to pop and R&B not the MD
I'm strictly hip-hop
I'll stick to Kid Capri
Funk mode, yeah kid that's how the squad rolls
I know your head is bobbin, cause the neck knows
(Not like other rappers) frontin on their fans
Bein ill tryin to chill
Sayin damn it'd be great to sell a mil
That's when the mind switch
To the pop tip
(Kid ya gonna be large!)
Yeah right that's what the company kicks

{gotta go, finish later, explain later}

Xref: sparky alt.rap:4439 rec.music.funky:1351
From: pkingi@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.rap,rec.music.funky
Subject: Brand New Heavies
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:03:01 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

                            INFO  REQUEST 
                            -------------

Could someone please tell me about 'The Brand New Heavies' latest album which
features Gangstarr, Main Source and friends. I heard it was pretty hot but
would really like to know a bit more about it. That album is not due for
release in NZ for at least another week or two.

Much appreciated,
Pat.
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: rebel@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Piou)
Subject: Re: So diss me already
Organization: Edarchy First!
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:07:21 GMT

In article <QeexK4S00WB7QeTW0w@andrew.cmu.edu> Chad Mboya-Joe Darby <cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>are discussed on the bboard.  Thanx to Charles Isbell and a couple of others
>we have routine record reviews.

	Well - we used to, but I haven't seen any New Jack Reviews in quite
a while. I liked 'em; how come they've stopped (Charles?)?
	Anyone have an archive of Charles Isbell's reviews, who's willing
to email copies out?
				ep
--
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered. My life is my own - you won't hold me." (The Prisoner)
Edward T. Piou	rebel@deathstar.stanford.edu	Edarchy First!
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Lyrics:  They Want EFX
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:07:39 GMT

In article <9209072057.AA13161@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 
rmiller@pokvmcr3.VNET.IBM.COM (Rob Miller) writes:
>Bum stiggedy bum stiggedy bum, I got the old porup-upuppum
                                              ^from the Little Drummer Boy?
>Drats and double drats, let me smiggedy-smack some wigs kids
                                                    ^wiz-kids?
>They want EFX, some live EFX
                     ^I thought this was LARGE EFX?
>They call me ???-ane, rap's my game
              ^whips and chains?
>You ask me again and I'll tell you the same
     ^axe                  ^t-tell     (OK, I'm getting p-picky)
>Diggedy-dun dun dun dun, dun dun
 Diggedy-dun, dun dun-dun dun, dun dun  (the syncopation is important)
>Oh ???? baby come to Papa Duke
    ^finster               ^Doc        (b-bunny reference)
>Dun dun dun dun dun, dun dun

Obviously something new, catch how many acts are trying to imitate this
style now? I give it a year and it'll be the latest pop fad. But, many
will try, but you can't front on EFX, everything else is just a lite.
From: mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Cypress Hill...do you like?
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:45:59 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep3.031955.19882@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
behan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Patrick Kalaher) writes:
>timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes:
>
>>I was just sitting here listening to the 2nd track from Return of
>>The Product and Serch mentions liking Cypress Hill...I dunno, do
>>y'all like this crew?  Everytime I listen to 'em they remind of
>>the one hood in the first Kid & Play flick with the really whiny
>>voice: "Yeaaaaaa........"
>
>
>>-- 
>>Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
>>timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
>>(217)244-0015     |
>
>Cypress Hill is dopeness itself.
>-"How I could Just Kill a Man"
>-"Hand on the Pump"
>-"Hand on the Glock" (Remix of "...Pump", BETTER imho.
>-"Real Estate"
>-"Funky Cypress Hill Shit"
>-"Shoot 'em Up"<-- Juice Soundtrack
>-Almost everything else.
>
>-pbk
>--
>Patrick Brendan Kalaher, Dartmouth 1991. behan@coos.dartmouth.edu
>No Justice, No Peace.  (Take it Personal)
>Moving to Georgetown soon... D.C.; the last plantation on the mainland.
>I'm glad that I'll be absolved of my *burden* to vote for a President...
Dont forget "pigs" and "stoned is the way of the walk"!!!!
From: mjohnson@terapin.com (Mike Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Cypress Hill...do you like?
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:41:52 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <fedde.715445529@Oslo>, fedde@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes:
>
>>I was just sitting here listening to the 2nd track from Return of
>>The Product and Serch mentions liking Cypress Hill...I dunno, do
>>y'all like this crew?  Everytime I listen to 'em they remind of
>>the one hood in the first Kid & Play flick with the really whiny
>>voice: "Yeaaaaaa........"
>
>The lyrics are not bright at all, but the sound is kickin'. I listen to
>them,yes :)
>
>OhhhhIculdjustkillaman!!
>
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)


I must disagree with ya there my friend....the lyrics ARE SLAMMIN!!!!they are a
bit hard to understand sometimes but listen to what B-real is sayin in the
songs..."how do ya know where Im at when ya havent been where Ive been,
understand where Im comin from?"
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE uk 12"'s
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:37:08 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

gavinm@spider.co.uk (Gavin McCallum) writes:

|I don't know of all the PE 12"'s that have been released on British,
|but these are the one's I've got.
|
|650947 6        PUBLIC ENEMY No1 B/W TIMEBOMB & SON OF PE

650975 6         You're gonna get yours / You're gonna get yours
                 (terminator X getaway dub) / + something else?

|651245 6        REBEL W/O A PAUSE B/W (DUNNO DONT HAVE THIS!)
|
|651245 8        REBEL W/O A PAUSE B/W BRING THE NOISE * SOPHISTICATED
|                (SUPPOSEDLY VERY RARE BUT I'VE SEEN PLENTY COPIES!)

651335 6         bring the noise (no noise version) / instrumental /
                 acapella

Tx. [the flip sides are from memory so don't quote me]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
Newsgroups: alt.rap