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From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:14:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Warning - this is kind of long...

I switch the kind of wraps I use with what I'm doing. Belle is at
1st level dressage, so she doesn't have to be really engaged in her hind
quarters yet. I use polo wraps only in the front to protect her tendons.
Later when she's more advanced I'll add back wraps for extra support since
the back tendons will be getting added stress. For jumping I use splint
boots, cross-country I add bell boots. I only use standing wraps if she's
had a really hard workout - clinic with Reiner Klimke for example :*)
And then I use mineral ice under the wraps.

For standing wraps - and polo wraps too - It's important to be **VERY**
careful when you wrap. Practice alot. If you wrap the tendon too tightly 
you can bow it - cause a tear and permanently damage the leg. Here's some
basic stuff: 

  1) Always wrap so that you're pulling the wrap across the cannon bone
     and NOT the tendon. If you're wrapping a left leg you should be
     coming between the legs then around the front of the leg, not the
     back. Reverse that for right legs. Some people think of it as always
     wrapping towards the heart.

  2) Keep the tension snug, not tight, and even all the way up the leg.
     This is the MOST important. It's also hard to learn without doing
     it bunches. Practice alot. I use a little lighter tension in polos
     than standing wraps because they're elastic and tighten up more on
     their own.

  3) For standing wraps you use sheet cotton or cotton 'pillow' wraps
     under the bandage. Make sure you wrap the cotton in the same 
     direction as the bandage. You need to be an octopus to do this one!
     Make sure the cotton wrap starts and ends over the cannon bone, NOT
     the tendon. Then starting under the knee, tuck a bit of the bandage
     under the cotton to hold it in place and begin wrapping. You should
     be very careful to have no wrinkles or folds in either the cotton or
     the bandage. Keep the tension just snug. Wrap down to the fetlock then
     back up, ending in the same place you started. Finish off with some
     masking tape over the velcro to keep it secure.

  4) How much of the leg you wrap seems to depend on how you learned. For
     polos I usually go down a little over the fetlock joint, for standing
     wraps I leave some cotton hanging out the end and wrap only as far as
     the fetlock.

Long-winded eh? I'd have to say that if you aren't sure how to wrap - DON'T.
The best way to learn is to work with someone who's good at it and have
them check your wraps. SO's are also a great testing ground if they're 
patient, and since they're *mostly* verbally equipped they can tell you 
if you get the tension wrong. 

Good luck!

	geri & Belle (& Steve who gives great feedback)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: sick horse
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:28:14 GMT

In article <walkepl.5.720992886@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu> walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker) writes:
>I guess the subject line speaks for itself.  I have a sick horse.  
>Background:  Blazer is a 22 yo quarter/saddlebred cross that has had a 
>nosebleed for several weeks now.  We have him tested and endoscoped to no
>avail.  Everything turns up normal.  The blood, in small, but nevertheless,
>frightening amounts are coming out of his right nostril.  On the advice
>of several vets we are adding loose salts in his feed and have given him
>an antihistimine shot to help in the event of allergies due to dry 
>weather.  We are having him re-endoscoped Tuesday along with head x-rays
>to determine if he has a tumor or is having a problem with a tooth.  I do 
>not think it is a tooth problem because he is eating fine and is happy and 
>seemingly pain free--even with crunchy things like carrots and apples.
>
>Any constructive advice is welcome.  Keep your fingers crossed for the tests

  I don't know if this may be of much help, since I am not able to offer
opinion from experience. In my Medical Journal it mentioned some causes
of nose bleeds. It sounds like it could be one of two things if a tumor
is ruled out. Either a fungal infection of the turbinates- This is usualy
a discharge down one nostril which sometimes produces a scanty, foul-
smelling discharge which sometimes may be associated with a nose bleed
An antifungal drug would be administered via a facial catheter.
 Or infection of the guttural pouch- Profuse discharge from both nostrils.
Affected horses usually have severe nosebleeds and there is a foul-smell
in the discharge. It is said that it is common in the U.S.A. And that
horses with severe nosebleeds should be investigated immediatly. Could be
a fatal hemmorage if it is an infection of the guttural pouch.
   This may not be what the problem is. I just wanted to pass on what I
read. Hope all goes well and I will keep my fingers crossed for your
horse. Please let us know what the results are.

  Pam B.
From: pxjones@crdec6.apgea.army.mil (Paulette Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:02:15 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

What do you all do to feed older horses?  I help care for a 30 yr
old Thoroughbred.  Last month, the owner hired a new person to
take care of the horse and she changed his feed.  He has always
been a hard keeper, stall weaving, doesn't eat grass in the field
when all he wants is in his stall, doesn't always eat his hay -- even
alfalfa.  But the previous caretaker had him on a complete feed and
worming every other month, and grass hay.  He looked good for his age.
This new person changed to sweet feed (feeding more) and alfalfa hay.
He has coliced 3 times in one month and slightly (showing discomfort)
several other times.  He's not eating much of the alfalfa, but he
does eat all the sweet feed.  Manure shows a good deal of undigested
grain.

We had the vet out to float teeth and he recommended adding soybean
meal to the sweet feed and worming daily (Strongid C), plus paste
worming every month.  He had not seen the horse since April shots,
so he didn't realize how much weight the horse lost in the last
month with the change in feed and the colics.

It seemed better to me to keep the horse on the easily digested
pelleted feed, but the new caretaker doesn't think so.  Does anyone
have any other suggestions to put weight on?  She did start adding
1/4 cup vegetable oil to the sweet feed.

Paulette & Nipper
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Re: More Blanket Advice WANTED
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:27:52 GMT

>In article <1cpi24INNamp@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> WANTED: INFO ON LIGHTWEIGHT WATERPROOF TURNOUT RUGS
> 
> Here's the scenario....
> 
> A friend of mine has an older mare who has lived her entire life
> outdoors, and has never had a blanket but has always had shelter.
> Now the horse is living in a pasture without shelter, but is in a
> milder climate. BUT she's just getting over a bout of neglect-
> SO --
> My friend thinks that since the mare is getting older and is just
> making a turnaround for the better, perhaps she should have a
> turnout blanket for the blustery northern California winter. The
> trouble is that the weather is capricious: sunny, then cloudy, then
> rainy, then sunny, then windy, maybe all in one day. My friend is a
> student who can't necessarily be there at every moment to put on or
> take off a rug the instant the weather changes. So she's thinking

Something else to consider - since she is coming from a colder climate
the mare will have the normal response to coming winter - i.e. getting
fuzzy - I'd consider skipping the blanket and putting the money into
a couple of trees or some inexpensive shelter.  Spring was in bad
shape the first year I had her, and also hadn't spent much if anytime
outside for a couple of years.  Not much coat that first year and
she did some serious shivering since she was entirely outside with only
a shed-type shelter and friends for warmth.  I bought a NZ blanket then.

This year and last, she's put on an incredibly thick fur coat and
and haven't used the blanket since the first year.  Of course, I'm one
to avoid interfering in nature, but since the owner can't be there
to take the rug off or put it on, she might be wisest to let nature
look after her own.

Ruth
.



-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:00:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Hoof-care-product...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I used vaseline (rub into coronet band) for years along with a good
biotin supplement. Works fine on my horses and its cheaper than
absorbine. (the Biotin supplement wasn't, though)


Donna "2 cents"
From: turowski@sophia.smith.edu (Petra Turowski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:18:44 -0500
Organization: Smith College
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Dear Paulette,
  It's not the food he's on now that causes colics but the change in diet.
The caretaker probably should have left well enough alone, and it is
certainly not a good idea to change a horse's grain AND hay, and all
of it at once, too.  But what's done is done.  Switching back is not a
good idea, either. 
  Sweet feed should be just as good as pelleted, unless he really has
problems chewing.  Undigested oats in sweet feed droppings will occur
with all but the most careful of horses, because they WILL swallow
before everything is properly chewed.  The most common protein content
of sweet feed is 12%, and of a complete feed, 14%, but the difference
in protein is very likely evened out by the alfalfa which substituted
for the grass hay.  And a drop in protein content is seldom a problem.
  An older horse does not a hard keeper make, but most hard keepers
I've come across (old and young) do best on a complete feed.  Many of
them would not eat much hay or would colic on hay, so a complete feed
was necessary for the fiber.  
  If the caretaker thinks what she is doing is right there is not much 
you can do, however.  The thing would be for the vet or the Nipper's 
owner to decide what his feed should be, if other than his current
regimen.  Any diet changes should always be introduced gradually, how-
ever.  A useful addition to his feed might be a bran mash every time.
This would increase his roughage and also help prevent blockages and
colics.  Otherwise, I would recommend the addition of some other source
of fiber to his diet, since he is not eating the alfalfa.  Good luck
with him.
  Petra
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding old horses
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:44:11 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <BxK9v4.AI2@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale) writes:
>I will concur on Ration Plus - great stuff and a lot less expensive than
>Nature Vet 5 and some of the others I've looked at.  Spring has been on


This stuff sounds like a miracle!  Can you tell us what is in it?
Maybe some L-tryptophan to get the behavioral changes you mention?
Does it have anything that might be forbidden by drug rules?  Somebody
mentioned tryptophan a while back, but I can't remember the verdict.

-Sarah Pallas
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: feeding older horse
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:57:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In Article 9873 in rec.equestrian broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)

>>Ingredients are:  Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product,

>Isn't this the same ingredient as found in acidophilis milk? Wonder what
>improvement one might see, if any, from adding some acidophilis milk to an
>unthrifty horse's diet? I know that my vet recommended yogurt with active
>yogurt cultures for foal diarrhea brought on my the mare's heat - and it
>definitely helped more than the expensive medicine he'd previously given. An
>added benefit was the palatable taste. I fed it in syringes to the foal who
>now has no problem with worming syringes in her mouth!

>Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242

	It is the same bacteria as in acidophilis milk, however I would not
recommend feeding that to an adult horse as the horse has most likely lost
the enzyme, lactase, that allows it to digest milk sugar, lactose, and will
likely suffer digestive upset and diarrhea as a result.  (By the way the
reason that the bedouins were able to get away with giving camel milk to
their horses is that the horses were given camel milk continuously from
the time they were one month old and therefore never lost the lactase 
enzyme.)  
	Yogurt would probably ok to feed to an adult horse as it is sort of
pre-digested.  However I think the best solution is to give the horse a
tube of Probios--Equine One Oral Gel, which contains a sufficient dose of
yummy bacteria to jump start an adult horse's digestive system real well.
Remember though if the horse has an underlying condition such as sand in
the gut which is causing the destruction of healthy intestinal bacteria,
the new ones you introduce aren't going to do well either.  The solution
then is to begin removing the sand, and then start the horse on either
Probios or Ration Plus.

				Tracy and everybody
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:06:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Width of stall doors?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

 
I agree with Barbara, I would use 3 ft stall doors. 4 ft is a minimum,
which is why it is strandard. Also, I can tell you from experience that
a pregnant warmblood mare frequently will not fit through a) a 3 ft
stall door, b) some two horse trailers with a non-removable center post
that the removable partion attaches to, c) some "standard" breeding
stocks. This last was quite amusing as the vets at the clinic I was
using at the time wanted to try out a new ultra sound and use one of
our mares as a  guinea pig (she was fairly pregnant at the time). 
I looked at their stocks and said I didn't think she would fit. 
They assured me that she would fit, after all these were standard stocks.
She made it about half way in before it became obvious to everyone that
there was no way she could go any further. Everyone had very sheepish 
looks on their faces:-) Luckily, since the mare is so good tempered, she
just stood outside of the stocks while they ultra sounded her and played
 with the ultr sound (for about 20 minutes!).

3 ft is not wide enough.

I'd also be worried about the two stall doors right next to each other.
It would be ok if you had a bar or mesh top door that you could close
so that they couldn't bite each other.

Just my 2 cents.


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: gifs, gifs and more gifs ...
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:06:56 GMT


For all you dedicated GIF viewers out there, I have just received
a fresh batch. Details follow:


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>


There are now 27 horse GIFs available from my
ftp site. I'll list them and then give you directions
on how to get them.

ozhorse1.gif
ozhorse2.gif       -    Two different horse pictures.

ozhorse3.gif
ozhorse4.gif
ozhorse5.gif
ozhorse6.gif       -    Various pictures of horses taken at
ozhorse7.gif             an endurance ride in Canberra in October.
ozhorse8.gif
ozhorse9.gif
ozhors10.gif

ozhors11.gif       -    My horse (Khalif) standing in his paddock.

mare-foal1.gif
mare-foal2.gif     -    Three pictures of a mare and her newborn 
mare-foal3.gif          foal.  Sent to me by  John Mares.

Pojoaque1.gif      -    Two horses somewhere in America that has no
Pojoaque2.gif           grass. Sent to me by Gottfreid Mayer-Kress. 

maxpony1.gif       -    A Welsh Mountain Pony. Sent to me by Francis
                        Burton.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

New as at 11 Nov. 92
---------------------

fritz.gif          -    Sent by Virginia Rios

seamus1.gif        
william.gif
willow1.gif
willow4.gif
wlofield.gif       -    All of these sent by Nick Beitner of UK
wlohunt.gif
wlojump1.gif
wlojump2.gif
wlomist.gif
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have some gifs of horses that you'd like the rest of the world
to see, send me an email and I'll give you some directions on how
to send them to me and I'll put them in my anonymous ftp area.

If you wish to get the gifs listed above:



From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now enter the command  ls  you will see a number of
gif files. To get them, enter the following commands:


type binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

( This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine. )

.. and then

get ozhorse2.gif

.. and so on.

To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au

ENJOY!


 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:19:51 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

Just a few observations from my experience with Wilbur who has similar
tendencies:

The first is that in the last month, I have come to realize that I have been
"fighting" Wilbur with my seat - my trainer describes it as "locking my hip". 
Although I'm not a body builder, I am extremely strong especially through the 
legs and seat.  So, what I have been doing is asking Wilbur to come forward 
through my leg aids pushing him onto the bit *BUT* when he tries to round his
back, he gets caught by my locked hip.  So, instead of the energy coming up 
from behind flowing through to his front end (lightening his front end), it
gets stopped by my seat/hip.  This drives him crazy (especially since he has a
tendency to be cold backed) and makes him want to run and swish his tail.  The
net effect is that he is trying to *round* his back and my hip/seat is pushing
his back back down. 

Even

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)
Subject: Re: gifs, gifs and more gifs ...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:52:40 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
Reply-To: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)

In article <1992Nov10.210656.17026@mel.dit.csiro.au> jen187@mis.csiro.au  
(Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) writes:
> 
> For all you dedicated GIF viewers out there, I have just received
> a fresh batch. Details follow:
> 
> 
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> 
> 
> There are now 27 horse GIFs available from my
> ftp site. I'll list them and then give you directions
> on how to get them.
> 

wow! that is quite a nice collection already. I especially like 
fritz.gif, nice composition, but I probably would have taken a tighter frame.
I think the black and white comes out much better in gif format than the 
colors.
For colors I would really recommend the jpg format, which seems to become a 
broad standard on the net. For the same file size we get a much better color  
reproduction.

I also like the wlomist.gif, but I would invite the author to repost in black  
and white, which always is in many ways superior if you have mist and trees 
in the picture. That example shows clearly the poor way gif treats colors,
the white mist is completely flat, the shadows have very unnatural and  
disturbing greens and violets.

So, unless someone really wants to show off the color of his/her horse, I would  
highly recommend to post gif files in black and white and use jpg for color.


--
Gottfried Mayer-Kress
Center for Complex Systems Research, Department of Physics
3025 Beckman Institute, 405 N Mathews, Urbana, Il 61801
gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (NeXT-Mail)
gmk@goshawk.lanl.gov, gmk@santafe.edu 
(217)-244-5877 (voice/fax modem),x8371(fax), x1994 (msg)

P.S.: As soon as I find some time I will do this with my own posted images
to give an example.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:11:47 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

>I spend about $200 a year on my horses, including feed and medicine.  I trim
>their feet myself, and usually doctor them myself, something I think everyone
>should do... but that's a personal opinion.

WOW... $200 a YEAR?  I spend $200 a month on just feed & bedding for two
horses!  
Well, maybe $150, but what ARE you feeding, and how many horses????!!!!!

Mary McHugh (wondering what I'm doing wrong!!! ;-)
From: mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk (Marcus Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Sponsorship
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:39:04 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK


	At the moment Brunel University Riding Club is looking for
	some form of sponsorship either for the team or the 
	riding club as a whole. If anyone knows of some companies
	who might be interested in helping out could you e-mail me.
				Thanks.

####################### Marcus Jones (mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk ##############
#	Brunel University Riding Club General Purpose Exec. Member	#
#		Year One Materials Technology & Management		#
#  Brunel University Riding Club, c/o Brunel University Students Union	#
#     Brunel University, Kingston Lane, Uxbridge, Middlesex. UB8 3TX.	#
#########################################################################
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Halla - horse of the century.  1956 Olympics, Stockholm.  LONG
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:24:37 GMT


Petra-

Thank you SO much for posting the story about Halla!!

As some of you might know, there was a Breyer model of
her out several years ago, and I have one. It never 
occured to me to look her up or anything else and I don't
normally follow much in the way of sports (Even horsey
ones), and of course, she was WAy before my time! :)

So, thank you for giving me the history lesson I so desparately
needed!!!!


So, can anyone fill me in on El Pastor (Paso Fino), Yellow
Mount (Paint), Mesa(QH), or  any of the other Breyer real-horses??
:)

Kay Schlumpf & Crew
Horseless FOR NOW (but not forever!)
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:51:25 GMT
Subject: Re: tail rubbing
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA