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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: A Darkover type circle
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:11:32 GMT
Keywords: aura, matrix, energies

hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke) writes:

>I cannot give a recipe that works for everyone at every time, and 
>there is the possibilty that there are people who have their sensing
>abilities too deeply buried within them to feel anything (my mother
>is one of those sad cases). But I'm not quite sure if they rather 
>prefer to inhibit their talents than to face the possibility that 
>there are  psychic powers science has yet to explain that might 
>shatter their accustomed world view.  <-- What a sentence... :-)

Another reason that some people would be sensing these things and others not
is that different people have different talents--that is, they are sensitive
to very different subtle levels.  I have a student now who had been hanging 
around magical folk for over a year when we met in person.  She believed that
the people around her were doing magic, she was present for multiple workings
with energy, and she *really* wanted to be do some of the magic herself.  When
I met her, she was convinced that magic was real but that she had absolutely
no talent for it.  Within twenty-four hours, I had exposed her to magic that
she could percieve.  How?  I worked on a different level than the others she
had associated with.  I divide magic into four major Realms (each of which
has multiple divisions and subdivisions): Mentalism, Naturalism, Spiritualism,
and Vitalism.  The Darkover stuff is one type of Mentalism.  Now, someone
like my student, who is gifted with Naturalist talents, would not pick up
anything from your workings; however, give some trees to talk to, and she'll
do just fine.  On the other hand, the Mentalists aren't likely to be able to
talk to her trees, no matter how telepathic they are.  Different gifts, all
valuable for their own purposes.

The point I'm trying to make is that *everyone* has magic as a birthright--
all people have some magical talents--but that people have diverse enough
talents that people cannot always perceive the same magics that many others
perceive.

Enjoy the journey!

                      --Br'anArthur

                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Looking for names of gods and goddesses for baby
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 02:24:38 GMT

"Arthur" means "bear", and won't give a boy too much trouble in
Hellimentary school.

For girl's names, you have your choice of all sorts of flowers, stones,
and a lot of Greek and Roman mythological names (though "Miverva" sounds
like an aunt who pinches cheeks) without giving her too much grief.

I know a geologist and jewelry maker who named her daughter "Amethyst",
but calls her "Amy" at mineral shows just to avoid confusion.  ;-)}

Does anyone know what the "Demi" in "Demi Moore" is short for?
From: ornoth@wonky.UUCP (David A. Liscomb)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: hair and heathenism
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:22:22 GMT


With appropriate fanfare, Ailsa sez:

>my new SO and
>reason why i don't post so much anymore has hair past his shoulders,
>whihc is just so marvellous to wash, brush, play with, etc.  i've
>ordered him never to cut it...  *sigh*  and nothing quite beats the
>feeling of having partially dry long hair drawn slowly and sensuously
>over your bare back and lower body...

I think I can understand this emotion...  Though I particularly enjoy
the sensation of long half-dry hair swishing (squishing?) on my back...

[ hi deah ;^) ]

>scalp massages are lovely no matter WHAT sort of hair you have...  but
>scalp massages on the aforementioned lovely long brown hair are just
>incredible...  i think i have a hair fetish...

I'll second that opinion, too...  ;^)

>relationship and packing to move to natick, mass., on 27 dec (anybody
>wanna help me move in?  i'll cheerfully feed you?),

I suppose I could help out if I'm in the area...  ;^)

Ever the gallant one,

-Orny Liscomb                        This package sold by weight, not
 Systems Programming Team Leader     by volume. Some settling may occur
 MediQual Systems Inc.               during shipment.
 Westborough, MA USA

Your_Insult: I want to pickle your belch.
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: A Darkover type circle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:34:17 PST

Re: Re: A Darkover type circle

Something I've been wondering about ever since reading the Darkover
stories. Is it conceivable that using semiconductor technology, we could
create our own artificial matrix crystals (for the non- Marion Zimmer
Bradley readers on alt.pagan, a matrix is a crystalline structure that
amplifies psychic energy) ... by writing the right patterns onto a chip?

Let me add that there are several programs that will run on personal
computers that will allow the direct writing of patterns onto a wafer,
and the output can be sent to services like Orbit Semiconductor (a few
thousand dollars and a few weeks... I didn't say that this would be cheap,
but this isn't as expensive or difficult as most people think)...

Something to think about...
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: pagan origin of Christmas customs?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:25:21 GMT

From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok)

um, could someone describe Mithras in simple terms, and suggest some good
books on the matter, and who/where were the oak & holly kings.. what was
the wild hunt?  universal, or local?

Mithras was the founder of one of the (many) pre-christian mystery
cults.  The Roman Emperor Julian, the last pagan emperor, was a
Mithraist.  As a mystery cult, the Mithraists didn't write a lot
about their mysteries (won't be a secret if you publish it, right?)
however, modern astronomy has identified the significance of parts
of the sculpture that survives at several existing sites of Mithraist
practices.  There was an artical on the subject a few years ago in
Scientific American (or maybe Sky and Telescope?).

During storms, Odhinn used to lead the dead on the wild hunt.  Best to
stay indoors in bad weather in the Northlands...  Maybe he still does.

Scram, you old crow.  Get out of -- Ahhh!!!!
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From: asgds@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: meditation
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:08:33 GMT

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From: asgds@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: meditation
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:51:24 GMT


	I recently meditated on a flame during a ritual.  ritual is my term
for any time I perform magick.  Basically I light a candle and invoke God and
the spirits and forces.  The rest is NOYB, Anyway, I stared deeply into the 
flame and entered amild trance.  Not really a "trance" so much as a heightened
state of awareness, I had a couple minor revelation's and came out of it,
feeling positive and renewed.
	I would be REALLY interested in hearing any similar experiences, and/or
advice for achiveing a more prolonged and/or deeper meditative state.

	Please feel free to email me asgds@acad2.alaska.edu
			or just post		
		Love and miscellaneous:)	

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From: bast@wam.umd.edu (Jaguar)
Subject: Re: druid tree talking
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:05:35 GMT

In article <0f_ZhN600VB9I6J0gq@andrew.cmu.edu> Alex Feely <af2e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Blessed be,
>
> 
>
>       WoW! this tree fey stuff is the first remotely druid stuff i have
>ever heard! any way, i am a beginner to the druidic arts, and have a
>question. in the book The 21 lessons of merlyn, it is mentioned that one
>can change his aura to that of a tree an this will allow easier
>conversing. now, how does one read and change his aura? i have heard of
>this, but never found anything on it. 
>     I am very interested in this and all other rituals or techniques
>for druidism, any thing you know would be apreciated. 
>
>      Drop me an e-mail or post it for everybody please.
>
>                                                                        
>                  Alex Feely
>
>af2e@andrew.cmu.edu
>My mind prances in wilderness yet untamed by human conception

Well, my primary intrest is in celtic shamanisim.. but perhaps this will
help.....
	Many books on shamanisim mention a technique of 'blending in' with your
surroundings, so much so that animals do not notice that you, a human, azre there
there. Perhaps this is simalailiar tio to this bit you mentionedc
of changing your aura.
	I tried this one time in the woods near my house.. standing on a great 
big drainage pipe that ran over the top of a little creek in a clearing.
I just stood there as quiteet and still as could be and imagined my sle
self to be a tree. Tried to keep my mind clear of all other thoughts, and just
watchedc.
It worked very well. A bat was cruising down the stream and 'buzzed' me, passing
about an inch or two over my head.
	Perhaps you could try this, and mentaly try to merge with the tree you
are attempting to contact. Best try it in the spring thoghugh. 
Winter makes trees a bit on the comatose side of life... at leatst in my 
exoperience.

Jaguar.
Please excuse the typos, academic stress has taken its toll....
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From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: good thoughts for astrid
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:25:06 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Hey everyone:

I thought you all might like to know that Astrid is safely
galavanting around Europe, and having a great time. I got a postcard
from Bali, and one from Scotland, so I think she's drinking deeply
from the bowl of cultural variety! Let's all wish her well and a
continued safe journey.

The gods of electronic communication have clipped my wings for the
moment, so I can't participate in the net anymore. I'm missing you
all. If there is ever anything particularly interesting or fun, and
you think of it, by all means forward it to me. Many thanks!

Goodbye for now (hopefully not for ever),

=gwyn
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From: jnewman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Physics
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:48:12 GMT

Actually, *I'm* just starting with Q Mech, having dropped classical physics due
to really rough mathematics...I'm taking a theoretical Q-Mech course that's
built for we not-very-good-at-mathematics-people.

				Vivat me!
				-Grendel 2.0
From: kre@po.CWRU.edu (Keith RW Elflein)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tree Prayin' Fey Talkin' Foo'
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:18:47 GMT
Organization: International Horn Society
Distribution: world
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In article <1g59d1INNeo9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Ray Henry) wrote:
> 
> 
> I, too, am interested in anything you have to say about contacting
> the Forest People. Post or Email, whichever.  :)
> Antryg
> -- 
> Ray Henry - cn573@cleveland.freenet.edu
> 
> Nice, boring, empty sigfile goes here.

	I have always wanted to contact tree spirits. There used to be a white
birch in our yard that i loved...it would have been cool to contact it.
There is something there...it's just a question of making contact.

"When tears of joy are flowing, Love laughs sweetly at the beloved! To kiss
them from her cheeks is Love's most beautiful, greatest payment."
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:14:23 GMT
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In article <1992Dec18.212725.23970@athena.cs.uga.edu>, tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
> 
> Okay, let's clear the air on this one.  Since when were men called witches? 

Since they stopped watching "Bewitched."

> The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
> practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
> "Necromancer".  If I practiced magic, I surely wouldn't want to be called a
> witch. 

If Bran wants to be called a witch, that's his business.  I don't think
you'll find very many sources in modern paganism outside of comic books
using the word "warlock."  But hey, if that's what you want to be called, 
go for broke.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
From: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: save paper
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 08:21:58 EST
Reply-To: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke) writes:

> xdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
> AKR> As Yule is coming up one way to save paper is to wrap presents
> AKR> in old news paper befor recycling it.
> AKR>
> AKR> Elf-Kin
>
> I go even further and mostly don't wrap presents anymore at all.
> Of course it's no quite as exciting to get a 'naked' present -
> but when you think of all the paper (or even foil, sigh!) that's
> always thrown away uselessly...
>
>      I wish everybody lots of nice gifts!

well, i save paper the old-fashioned way - i open all of the presents
with an x-acto knife and re-use the paper.  there is some wrapping
paper in my family that is olde than i am,  of course, my grandmother
never used tape on her presents, whihc does add a bit to the longevity
of the paper...

but presents do not HAVE to be such a waste of paper...  for me,
throwing out something so pretty is acutely painful, and does not at
ALL add to my enjoyment of the holiday.

                                             -ailsa

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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Start again.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:36:20 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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The "Jobs for the Stupid" to which I was referring are not necessarily either
makework or shitwork jobs, but jobs which adequately reward their holders.


The point that I wanted to make with this somewhat misleading aphorism was:

ANY pattern of social or historical development which leads to a society that
has no genuine and meaningful place for the half of humanity that is below
average ... must eventually either self-destruct from a variety of causes,
including the increasing anger and frustration of that below-average half of
humanity, or it must involve itself in an ever-widening downward spiral of
control, penalization, oppression and eventually extermination in vain efforts
to curb the effects of that anger and frustration (which, of course, are only
magnified by any of the efforts -- short of extermination -- meant to control
them).

Consequently, ANY workable plan for a better society must provide
meaningful and rewarding jobs  -- not makework or shitwork -- for the
half of humanity that is below average with respect to whatever mix of
abilities in involved in working for a living.  We are never going to be
like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average ...

Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM
From: a1z5868@rigel.tamu.edu (Tigg)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sowing bags
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:46 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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So what's a good way for someone to learn how to sew?  Someone being me,
a definite beginner.  As in, I've used a needle and thread maybe three
or four times.  Heh.

Are there books or something to illustrate basic techniques that can
be learned with lots of practice?

- Tigg
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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Somalia [was: Start again]
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<1992Dec11.233202.23812@csus.edu>
Date: 12 Dec 1992 07:31:36 UTC

In article <1992Dec11.233202.23812@csus.edu> 
altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>I'll take the paranoid view. There seems to be little else by way of 
>justification for our involvement in Somalia. Similar and even worse 
>situations have existed all over Africa for years, and noone has even
>glanced in that direction. The many battlegrounds around the world
>have been classed as internal squabbles and ignored. Why Somalia?
>I think the answer has more to do with Bush's lame-duck administration
>than with the internal politics and problems in Somalia. It really fries
>by beans that we're there at all, what with all the people here in dire
>straits.

Eisenhower coined it the "Military-Industrial Complex." Cold war's over,
so now what do we do? Why, it's the "New World Order!" We'll make the
world safe for democracy and show live demonstrations of our superior
war technology, thus boosting sales to nations we can later fight.
Somalia was armed to the teeth by the US, on the off chance that the
Soviets might make a grab for Arabia. You didn't really think there was
going to be a "peace dividend," did you now? Interested in some of the
reasons we fought the "Gulf War?" If you are let me know and I'll post.
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:55:17 GMT

alizard@pil writes:
>> and unecessary. Geez..people, can we be kind ?
>> >blessings,
>> al

>Ashley has the right to say what he pleases. When he obviously doesn't
>know what he's talking about, he does NOT have the right to be taken
>seriously. This is a serious issue. If he wants to be taken seriously
>on this by any but the equally ignorant, he needs to do some serious
>study on subjects ranging from recycling to economics to space technology.

So I guess the answer is no ...huh?
;-(

al

-- 
Al Aldrich aaldrich@encore.com 305-797-2335
"Mythology: The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished
from the true accounts which it invents later." -- Ambrose Bierce
From: cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ray Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature...i am confused
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:10:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I can understand your confusion on the use of the term "witch."
Up until a few years back, I was lead to beleive that all witches
are evil. (Oops! Forgive the typo above, I can't go back in this
editor.) I am now proud to call myself a witch (or warlock, if
you prefer.)

In the strictest sense, a witch is a practitioner of the path of
Wicca or one of the very similar ways. It is the intentions of
the witch that determine whether he or she is "white", "black",
or "gray." (Some argue that there is no Gray Wicca, but that is a
different discussion.) I assure you that according to my belief
systems I am not hell-bound upon death. I certainly have never sold my soul to ANYONE.

Blessed be,  :)

Antryg
-- 
Ray Henry - cn573@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Delaney Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Somalia [was: Start again]
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:02:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


  BTW it looks like we're going to Bosnia also!

-- 
call david@cscwam,cville,wor,avw
 -  a quote here
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Going into space...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:42:06 PST

Re: Re: Going into space...
> From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Going into space...
> Facts?  Why should facts convince you when you've ignored some that have
> been presented already.  (Theoretically, all opinions are based on
> facts, and the persons interpretation of those facts.  Try again, and
> try not to reject someone elses opinions simply cause you don't agree.)

Why should I accept totally unsupported opinions on anything?

I'm going to present the same unanswered challenge to you that I've presented
to everyone else who's been flaming me for heretical beliefs on this issue.

What facts are you referring to that I have allegedly ignored, and do they
have any actual bearing on the topic? The main fact I've learned about this
issue is that the ignorance on environmental topics is at just as dangerous a
level among "environmentalists" as it is among people who favor clearcutting
anything that looks treeish.

I am beginning to wonder if a core mandatory environmental curriculum written
by people who actually know something about the environment should be legally
required for ALL students at ALL levels of education.

blessings
                                                 A.Lizard
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