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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: HELP!! A3000 in Coma!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:23:54 GMT

2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.180352.42837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> HELP!!!!! My A3000 just went into a major coma.  I had just gotten
>> off of the VAX at my university using Atalk III and had started
>> a game o fmisssile command when WHAMO out she goes like a system
>> crash or something so i try to warm reboot and no response.  Next
>> i try a cold reboot and all i get is the power light undulating
>> from bright to not so bright and back, the harddrive light doesn't
>> make an appearance AT ALL.  Does anyone have a clue as to how I 
>> might revive my little A3000.  What could have gone wrong. She
>> seemed like such a quiet and happy computer.  Any help would
>> be appreciated.
>> 
>> By the way, its a 16Mhz A3000 with a 52meg Quantum which used to 
>> run 2.04 but doesn't have the ROMs installed...If this would help
>> at all.
>>              -Distressed
>OK, this is REALLY weird. I just got home from posting this 
>message up here(i had to go to the comp center) and i pulled 
>my computer out a few inches and thought I try to boot her up
>one last time tonight just for posterity sake and Lo and Behold
>She BOOTED.  She's back.  BUT will this happen again?? Any 
>suggestions as to what was happening??? Thanks in advance

>                -Only a little distressed now.

Sounds like your power cable is not very tight.  Check it, and make sure that
all peripheral cables are SCREWED in.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: nix@zombie.oulu.fi (Tero Manninen)
Subject: Re: A3000: Heating up?
Reply-To: nix@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
	<4205@winnie.fit.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:54:52 GMT


On 10 Sep 92 11:58:06 GMT,
ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig) said:

Keith> Yes the Power supply generates the most heat so you would want air to
Keith> exit the case through it, but I don't think it contributes significantly,
Keith> at least in the case of the desk-top PC.

In my A3000 the hottest part seems to be a Quantum 425M hard disk.
Actually the power suppy is quite cool, like the 105M LPS-Quantum.
Related to this hot quantum, where is the best (where air flows best)
place to put my disk in a A3000 case ?  There are three places where you
can place the 3.5" devices..

++Tero
From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Hard disk throughput speed ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:13:38 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates


What kind of throughput can I expect from a stock A3000?  How about the
numbers for a GVP combo accelerator (do they make an '040 based combo)
using their scsi interface and an aftermarket drive?  Finally, what is
the fastest throughput possible today on an A3000 and by what means?


Thanks,
M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: Re: Grapevine does something right
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:53:43 GMT

marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu  writes:
> Now for the fun stuff.  I'm trying to read Grapevine's instructions.
> Someone said it was a cheap photocopy.  That's much too generous.  It's
> a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy...  I can read most of it.
> 
> The heck with these foolish instructions.  There's somebody out in net
> land infinitely smarter who can verify the what I've got to do for
> my Rev5 A500:

I feel strange answering my own post, but really I'm not.  Thanks to all
those who sent me instructions on the motherboard modifications.

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Subject: Re: SetCPU
From: peterm@am.dsir.govt.nz (Peter McGavin)
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:35:44
Organization: Dept. of Scientific and Industrial Research, NZ.

Two posters have recently advocated "CPU BURST" in the Startup-Sequence to
get the best performance out of an A3000.  That command turns on both
instruction-burst and data-burst modes.

It seems surprising, then, that the OS does not enable data-burst by default.
However I suspect there is a reason why it doesn't, i.e, that data-burst
slows most programs down slightly.

My understanding is that data-burst causes every data memory reference to
also reference the adjacent 4 longwords in burst cycles.  So, unless the
surrounding 4 longwords are being put to good use (and usually they are not),
bandwidth is wasted.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:26:53 GMT

2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>> Apparently they'll be offering an optional SCSI controller.  He didn't
>> know any more than this.  If anyone knows more info, like how many
>> colors at 640x480 (overscan), hurry up and post, will ya!!!
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^
>How about how many colors in 1280 X 400, and 800 X 600? I hope its
>a few more than four :-)  And I assume the 256,000 is in HAM :( so
>how about in normal mode, is it 256?

All color modes are supported at all resolutions.

keith
From: FELIX-ONE@cup.portal.com (Dan A Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Re: Multiport IO, what are my options?
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 21:03:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep7.212950.14914@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
  <1992Sep8.165448.18554@nntp.uoregon.edu>


>Now you know why the I/O Expansion Board is no longer available.
>Anyone planning to do any PD hardware hacks, take this as a warning.
>
>Once again, The Puzzle Factory is *NOT* now, or ever has been, connected
>with the I/O Expansion Board.  Any products The Puzzle Factory sells now
>or in the future will be full commercial products, entitled to the usual
>quality Puzzle Factory customer support.
>
>Thank you for reading this diatribe.  Please pass it along -- we still
>get requests for I/O Boards.  There aren't any more.  Period.
>
>--
>The Puzzle Factory, Inc.  | Jeff Lavin -- jlavin@cie.uoregon.edu
>Veneta, Oregon            |-------------------------------------
>Voice : (503) 935-3709    | Remainder of signature line
>Data  : (503) 935-7883    | under construction.
>

thanks a lot for answering my questions, as to why the multi I/O dropped out
    of sight.....
    
    sorry about any problems you had, Just wish I had the knowledge to design
    and build one myself :(   ( I can build kits, not layout boards..)
    may you have better luck on everything else..
    dan

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From: Rudolf_Neuhaus@ouzonix.bo.open.de (Rudolf Neuhaus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Re: SCSI-Streamer on A3000
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:55:56 CET
Organization: Ouzonix Bochum


 TRK> I did order the new BIOS for the drive, and guess what: it worked
 TRK> worse than
 TRK> before. I replaced with it with the original U07 BIOS and it worked
 TRK> as "well"
 TRK> as it had before.
[..]
 TRK> using the  original BIOS, I do have it running, although it backs up
 TRK> very slowly
 TRK> 2.2M/minute).

 TRK> The key here is the Tandberg seems to drive other SCSI controllers
 TRK> bananas
 TRK> the way it does asynchronous writes. I suspect is has to do with how
 TRK> slow the
 TRK> drive writes to the tape (a block takes several seconds to write).

 TRK> I have it working by turning reselect off. Using the GVP, there is a
 TRK> command
 TRK> that does this. The net effect is the backups go about twice as slow
 TRK> as they
 TRK> would otherwise, but they work.

 TRK> Look at it this way; the drive was relatively inexpensive (just over
 TRK> $200), so
 TRK> be happy you can back up your HD without swapping floppies. Sorry I
 TRK> don't
 TRK> have better news.

Well, my problem is, that it does not work at all with my A3000. It always
fails during writing. But it works with the Golem SCSI-II Controller and on
all Macs just fine. I think there is a software Problem, too. The reason
is, that with some Kickstarts it just works find reading(including 1.3 and
37.175) and with others it does not. I would be happy if it could write at
all, but it can't. So maybe anyone has an idea here how to solve my
problem. Maybe he says it won't write with the A3000 SCSI-Controller at
all, or he says : "Here's a fix for you SCSI-Device". That would be it ;)
Rudy


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From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Zorro <> CAMAC Bus interface needed
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:46:08 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <manfred.01jj@edomdo.UUCP> manfred@edomdo.UUCP (Manfred Dolag) writes:
>In article <13490@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>>
>>
>>Southwest Research Institute
>>PO Box 28510
>>San Antonio, TX 78284
>>USA
>
>--
>we did already a VME-BUS-Interface for Amiga ( so I think, we can do also a
>CAMAC-Interface )

You have a VME bus interface???? Please send specs to the aforementioned
address.

I have since been told that CERN makes a CAMAC bus interface for the Amiga,
and am attempting to locate information concering it, so think I will put the
CAMAC request on hold unless I can't obtain one through CERN. I understand
that SLAC has purchased some of these CAMAC bus interface cards also.
(Anyone know who I should contact at CERN?)

Please forgive posting to the network, but I have emailed several times
requesting information on your product line, but it appears to not be
reaching you. Actually, I would appreciate fairly detailed info including
current prices on your whole product line as we do lots of data acq. with
Amiga and would be doing more if we had the hardware.

Thanks much,
Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
UUCP     : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.005942.9017@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>The home/small business people buying IBMs and SoundBlasters are stuck
>with limited 8bit sound.

Funny.  My ProAudio Spectrum 16 does 16 bit 44 KHz audio with 16 channels.  I can upgrade
it to 32 channels.
-Ralph

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: A4000 De-Interlacer
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:15:36 PDT

I intend to get an A4000 as soon as I can get ahold of one.
And one product I would buy right away is a de-interlacer.
Could someone from CATS possibly tell me how much a 
video Slot De-Interlacer for the A4000 would run, approx,
if someone decided to design/build one.  
It would allow flicker free displays on all programs,
in all modes, transparent of software, so you would save
a lot of CHIP mem bandwidth by not having to use the
Scan Doubled screen modes, which eat up 2X the regular
non scan doubled modes bandwidth.
It would also allow flicker free 1280X400, 800X600 etc
modes, which cannot be scan doubled under AGA, due
to the speed of the pixels in that mode.
Also older programs and programs that boot from floppy
would be forced into de-interlaced, smooth looking
displays.

Is a de-interlacer for the A4000 video slot feasible?
if so would it be cost prohibitive?

-Roger
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From: d9mats@dtek.chalmers.se (Mats Persson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Where is MAST???
Keywords: MAST mast
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:10:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Does anyone know if the company MAST still exists?

If so, can you reach them via email?


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                 Mats Persson    (d9mats@dtek.chalmers.se)

                    Chalmers University of Technology
From: iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian W Moor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Ways to double hard drive capacity???
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:16:23 GMT
Reply-To: iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian W Moor)
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk


In article <18uvp8INNoal@agate.berkeley.edu>, kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Kevin Miller) writes:
|> This is no flame, but a serious question.  How does stacker handle the 
|> possibility of system crashes during the time that it takes to
compress a file?
|> With multi-tasking systems, it seems entirely possible that at some
point the
|> system will crash while the on-the-fly compression program is still
compressing
|> a file (especially if the compressed file is large).  
|> 
What worries me more is that by compressing a file, you lose all redundancy,
if one byte of a compressed file is changed, all the rest of the file has
potentially been lost, at the very least garbled. I've had this happen on
a network transfer of a compressed file. So one of your programs writes
a byte in the wrong place and then crashes your machine, when you reboot a
file you wrote weeks back is garbled. 

Ian W. Moor

iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk   Department of Computing, Imperial College.            
                   180 Queensgate London SW7 UK.               
"Experts from BNFL have advised the Russians to rename Chernobyl as Sellograd
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Printer driver for DeskJet500-C ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:15:06 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <ABAIR.92Sep4222538@parsons.sps.mot.com> abair@parsons.sps.mot.com (Alan Bair) writes:
>I don't remember where I got it, but I imagine it is on most FTP sites. Look
>for goodcolorjet.lzh with the driver called HP_500C. It is a CBM Beta driver
>and seems to work best with the printergfx settings: trheshold=13 density=6
>and no color correction.

What sort of results did you get with the other settings? I thought
densities 4 onwards were the same (300 dpi) - do they in fact give
different results? Most images I try and print come out too dark -
have you had the same problem?


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: guido@iastate.edu (Brian P Walenz)
Subject: Broken keys on A2000 keyboard!!!
Keywords: keys broken keyboard dead ouch fish towel 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:47:09 GMT

	My brothers A2000 keyboard is missing a few keys.  I know not how
it happened, but the left ALT and the keypad '*' keys are missing.  Is there
anyway to fix it?  (The keyboard is about two years old, and has that (icky)
cheap calculator feel....not like mine which is the spring-loaded version - 
about 3 years old)
	ANY suggestions?  He really doesn't want to spend ~$100 for a new one!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: amc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Adam M. Costello)
Subject: 68060 and 68050
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:37:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.161901.26603@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:
>gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:
>- 
>- 68060 ?  What ever happened to the 68050 ????
>
>Here is one explanation I've heard, it may be right:
>
>It was cancelled due to political reasons. People have always
>compared Motorola and Intel processors, and they have had one
>digit in common most of the time on processors of similar power.
>
>80186 - 68010
>80286 - 68020
>80386 - 68030
>80486 - 68040

I've usually imagined the correspondence to go more like:

80286 - 68000
80386 - 68020
 i486 - 68040

>Maybe the 68050 design went into a dead end and it was cancelled, and
>the 68060 stayed with it's name.

Close.  The story I heard is that odd-numbered 680x0 chips incorporate
evolutionary changes over their predecessors, whereas even-numbered chips
incorporate revolutionary changes.  Motorola decided not to bother with
evolving the 68040 into a 68050, choosing instead to revolutionize it
into the 68060.

I expect the i586 and the 68060 to have comparable features and power,
although Motorola's architecture will, as always, be superior (my
opinion!), except for the big-endian convention (I've always found that
counter-intuitive).

AMC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:57:14 GMT

In article <BuJBxn.J5r@news.udel.edu>, don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
> >And the '040  4000 is overpriced as is.  Will there be any "lesser" models
> >or a substantial educational discount for those of us who can't *afford*
> >to shell out almost 4 grand?
> >
> >(Only model I've heard of so far is the $3700 one with 6mb and a 120mb IDE)
> 
>      You mean the one that's already been advertised for $2900 several
> places?  That's hardly shelling out almost 4 grand.
>      (And yes, since the processor is on a separate board, I imagine we'll 
> be seeing a lower-cost model in the not-too-distant future).
> 
> 
That $2900 price was pulled out of the air before the MSRP was
announced by C=. No telling if any will be delivered at that price.
Also none of these places have given a precise description on what
they were promising for this figure (of course they couldn't give
out any specs before the machine was announced by C= :-)  ).
So suppose they charge $500 extra for an A1960 monitor, or some
other such little item. Even at $2900 the machine is no fire 
breathing dragon. 
As to the replacable processor module. Well it will certainly allow
C= to make available lower end (68030, ... 68000) processors. But
how much they will lower the overall price of a system, and will
anybody buy 68020 processor modules? that remains to be seen.
As to producing more powerfull processor modules, I wonder. 
Is the Mother Board fixed at 25MHZ? Are the components and design
capable of running at a higher frequency? If not then thruput will
be somewhat limited by accesses to components on the Mother Board.
The visionary 100MHZ processors conjured up by Eggebrecht may not
deliver much in reality to purchasers of the just announced version
of the Amiga Motherboard, even if they are ever delivered.
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          or urjlew@unc.bitnet
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: tka4092@athena.mit.edu (Terry Alkasab)
Subject: ARGH!  Removable SCSI Drive Woe...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:47:08 GMT

I've got a problem.  I've got this 45MB removable cartridge hard drive
that I'm trying to get to work with my A3000.  I plug the SCSI cable
into the back of the computer and the back of the drive.  I turn on
the drive.  I turn on the computer.  I start up HDToolbox, and
partition the drive, then save the changes.  I reboot, and AmidaDOS
format the drive.  So far, everything is going *great*.  I rename it,
the whole nine yards, and everything is fine.  OK.  Then, I try to
copy some files onto the drive from my internal hard drive.
Everything is fine, everything is going well, drives are spinning,
lights are on, I have the little clock icon, and then...

Nothing.  The drives stop spinning.  The lights stay on, but I can't
do anything with the WorkBench, because I still have the clock icon.
Esentially, it seems to be stuck.  I've tried this on more than one
cartridge, so I know that it's not the cartridge.  I can't figure
whether it's the SCSI port, or the cable, or the drive.  Anyone have
any idea how I can figure this out?

HELP!!!


--
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tka4092@athena.mit.edu		      :	  subtle; Sweeney would blink and
DISCLAIMER:  Disclaimer?!  I just met :	  rats would scuttle...''
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From: stewartm@bfield.uucp (Stewart Mckinnon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Serial port & modem question
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:08:18 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

In article <1992Sep6.180145.17394@cs.mun.ca>, craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace)
writes:
>A couple of questions...
>
>A) Is there such a beast as an internal Amiga modem.
>
>B) If there is, can I run two modems on different channels, so to speak.  Have
>one program address my external modem and another address my internal?
>
>->Stace<-
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>                        craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca 


I am presently using a Supra 2400 internal modem. You can run as many modems as
you have phone lines as long as you have enough memory. The internal modem
using Modem0.device instead of the serial.device, so I don't see why you
couldn't run both.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Re: CBM Discusses Future Amigas
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.171132.1@sevmsa.cs.msstate.edu> gowen@sevmsa.cs.msstate.edu writes:
>In article <AHANSFOR.92Sep14132853@wpi.wpi.edu>, ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
>>>>>>> On 14 Sep 92 10:41:06 GMT, jpelkone@vipunen.hut.fi (Janne R M Pelkonen) said:
>> 
>> jpelkone> In article <1992Sep14.180411.90091@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>>
>> 
>>>        I have only 1 thing to say re: Amiga + RISC.
>>>
>>>        Please, please, please, please, please, please, ALPHA!
>>>        (although MC88x00 is the more obvious option).
>> 
>> I would rather see C= focus on getting an 060 board ASAP. Not 1.5
>> years after everyone else does.  The modular design should expedite
>> matters.
>> 
>> -- Andrew Hansford
>>    ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu  
>
>I second the above idea.  The '060 should greatly increase the processing
>power over '040-based machines.  The clear choice here is to stay with the
>'0x0-series CPUs since other CPUs will require recompiled software all the
>way around (WorkBench, KickStart, applications, etc.).
>
   [ Stuff about i586 deleted ]

68060 ?  What ever happened to the 68050 ????

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