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From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: What's the news anyway/
Date: 16 Apr 1992 01:39:59 GMT
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From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

D : You need to know something to interpret any news!. There are two (at least
version of news regarding east timor. Pro and contra. The above news is a
contra news! I could smell it :-)

Are you implying that the international media is lying to you> Read
my last posting. These people were THERE and were SHOT by Indonesian
troops. Let me tell you that no-one wants to report about people
dying. No one wants to smuggle film out from under military censors.
But the truth must be told. And the truth is that a terrible thing
has happened in East Timor.

Also....
-----------
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

eduardo@eng.umd.edu (Eduardo H. Guiraud) writes:

>Would any Indonesian Students out there say something about this matter,
>genocide or racism by Indonesian govt.....

There are too many :-) Indonesian students here in  this newsgroup but
they don't want to speak up (they don't want to speak "bullshit" things)

Yes, I've noticed that not many Indonesian students post things, which
is a pity because I'd really like their opinions on matters affecting
ASEAN. But what do you mean by speaking bullshit things? Surely
you all have something positive to contribute?


- sulyn
From: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.061921.7944
Reply-To: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Cynthia Dawood) says:

>
>	I want to go to Kelantan.... I want to see the one and only one Diablo
>in SEA........ 
>
>P/S: Funny.. I have been in US for a couple of years - and haven't seen a single
>     Lamborghini...... well, maybe I sould open my eyes wider next time....


My dear Cynthia...the workers in the paddy fields, in this case, are one
step ahead of you. At least they got to see it ONCE speeding to the palace.
That'll probably be the last time anyone sees it too...after all, didn't I 
read somewhere that the customs are only not allowed on the palace compounds??
Funny, buying a $2.1M car and driving it in your backyard!!! 

If that's not classified as DUMB, I dunno what is, eh Zam??? (No need for
apologies Eme)


-Bruce "What...0-60 in 5 secs - TEKAN BREKKK!!!!!!" Lee
     
--
From: ngph@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Peh H. Ng         )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Personal Experience of Racism
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:17:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr6.191728.1219
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <1992Apr6.155410.21727@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	I believe, there are some new-bloods in the Department who
>believe that the way to fighting discriminations by the Chinese
>businesses on the Malays is by discriminating the Chinese WRT the
>government's jobs.  It is a perfectly sensible countermeasure to fight
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>discriminatory practises by the Chinese businessmen.


 NorAzizam,
 
 Give me a break, will ya?  Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

 Is this what an "open-minded" person advocates? An eye for an eye?


 Peh...
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
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Subject: Smell the Roses, Zam
Date: 17 Apr 1992 04:42:22 GMT
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Date:    Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:47:33 EDT
From: "Bruno"
Subject: Re: Zam Threatened In Kelantan!!!
X-Topic: Entry #9274 of NN.SOC.CULTURE.ASEAN
To: "NN.SOC.CULTURE.ASEAN.9274"

Posted on 10 Apr 3892 at 19:10:15 by Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif

Re: Zam Threatened In Kelantan!!!

From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <s3cseINNrbh@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
writes:
>
>From: AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR)
>
>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>
>Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??
>
>I vote for both.
>
>    Geez, then Zam would be *really* DUMB as well as devoid of....


Z :     You'll have to excuse Mr. Anonymous here. He has a rather
nasty sexual dysfunction (which he likes to deny) that prevents him
from ever fathering children, and he wants everyone to be just like
him.

*Sigh*

Zam, you're going off the deep end again.

FYI, Mr Anonymous as you call me is MS Anonymous. And if I did decide to
have kids I hope to God they never turn out like you.

Zam, wake up. Smell the roses. I know the air in Cambridge isn't all that
great but maybe a dip in the Charles will invigorate you and wash away
some of that hate you carry around with you.

Isn't it funny how people who are stuck in the corner with no logical
answers will just pretend to be blind and scream their heads off at you
and spew senseless rubbish?

Su-Lyn
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From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: Minister's visit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:38:25 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>Dear s.c.a. netters,

>The Malaysian minister of education, Dr. Sulaiman Daud will be 
>visiting New Zealand this May.  He will give a talk to Christchurch 
>Malaysian students on the 1st of May, at 8.00am in Malaysia House.  
>Everyone who lives in Christchurch is welcomed.  He will give 
>another talk in Lincoln University at 11.00am.  

>If you do not live in Christchurch and want to present questions to
>the minister, please email me with those questions.  Hopefully,
>the minister can find time to answer those questions.  I might
>post a summary of his speech to the net.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz



Hehehehehe. I am NOT a malaysian but I have two questions for your 
minister. 
1. What is his opinion of "peacefull land" East Timor?
2. What is his opinion of  Indonesian govt?

Please POST his words here at s.c.a :-)
Note: I do *NOT* want your suggestion.

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: francis@dadd.ti.com (Francis Ngoh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: NS
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:22:43 GMT

Much of the discussion on NS so far centers on the attitudes of officers
towards other ranks, time-wasted while people ineligible for NS (female
classmates, foreigners) advance their careers, brain-drain caused by
NS/reservist training, etc.

 I can't comment on reservist training as I'd only done the mandatory 2 1/2
years before leaving the country. My reasons are academic 8), and not due to
the mandatory reservist training. I've remained in the US since finding a job
and a wife (the job is challenging in a design environment, the pay is
better and when I've accumulated enough, I'd retire in the old country).  The
Singapore friends that I know of here are also here for similar reasons (again,
not due to the reservist training). 

Attitudes of officers towards other ranks : In NS, I found that officers do not
have a monopoly on power abuse. I'd been bullied by abusive cooks (privates who
served us too much food when it's mandatory to clean up everything in the food
trays), by corporals (forced to run up and down stairs while waiting for
our-parychecks, just for their amusement), by sergeants and WOs (force marches
with nothing but shorts and boots, pushups in knolls facing downwards, etc).
But I especially apprieciate the treatment I got from my PC in OCS :
running up and down Pengkang (sp?) hill three times after going thru the
obstacle courses, 10 km jogs at 4 am without benefit of breakfast or the
morning ablutions, fireman-carry a buddy for 5 km with both of us wearing FBOs,
midnight solitary tours of Kranji cemetery, etc. 

Despite all the punishments, I think overall, the NS had been good to me. I've
gone from a 97 pounds weakling to a 126 pounds weakling in 2 years 8) and I
don't think everything in life is as bad as it appears to be. 

I think reservists should have more rewards than non-reservists to compensate
them for their time. I think kids should have more outdoor activites
e.g. scouting, sports etc. to prepare them for NS.  I think leaving Singapore
to avoid reservist training is like bringing your family along with you to 
rest-rooms when you want to take farts and "Roach" is a cowardly, bull-shitting
back-stabber who hides behind anonymity to take tendentious potshots.

Best regards,   
Francis Ngoh    
Opinions expressed are solely those of the writer.
From: elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg (Jayasooriah)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:02:21 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
: 
: 	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
: certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
: go fuck yourself.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NorAazizam MohdAAsif, where did you get your education ... or were you?

Jaya
-- 
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10 Kent Ridge Cr, Singapore 0511 |                                           
Tel/Fax: +65 772-2295 / 772-1103 |                         "We take your bags
Internet:   elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg |          and send them in all directions."
From: v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ***** On The Contray, Zam does Good! ****
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:17:00 GMT
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

It is so sad to see the world slamming Zam, he stated his
opinion and u guys are persecuting him.
u guys are a "hanging crowd".
remember the days when people went witch hunting?
u my friends are witch hunters!
u want to hang him without other considerations.

lets ananlyse the situation...
most people can be proven to hate other races simply because
they are different.  that is proven by the number of blacks
in top executive positions.  it may not be blatant disregard 
for the law, nevertheless, it exist much more than you would
expect.  zam is only honest folks.  he may have a crude way
of disseminating information, but still, his expressions (vulgar)
must be seperated from the content.  and the content is not
openly true, but true based on information that we see exist.

so some idi_ts emailed him and told him not to apply for jobs
back home.  is that the way to treat a situation that has gone
bad?  we must, instead, offer him a job to prove to him that
there are exceptions in races.  treat him well in the company
and he'll change his perception of the people around him and 
their race.
on the other hand , you witch hunters are hanging him and making
his perceptions come true.
it is sad to see that in this day and age, many of the educated
still do not know how to handle situations that present themselves
different from how the masses see the world.
you my friends s_ck!  why hang him for being a racist when the
world is full of them.

question: if u had a daughter and you were white, would you
          allow her to marry a black man?  you will sooner
          or later realize that intermarriages exit almost
          nonexistently.

      ************  ZAM forever !!!! *************
From: s923257@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ming Ean Chew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:21:41 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>> 
>> 	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>> certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>> go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
>> controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
>> why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
>> accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.
>> Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
>> the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
>> to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>> foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>> the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>> turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>> propaganda of other governments.
>> 
>> 	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>> rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>> their propaganda or their pressures...
>> 
>> ===------ 
>> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

>	The use of vulgarity merely demonstrates the act of desperation
>on your part.  There was a saying "the more defensive people are, the more
>they have to be defensive about".  Have it ever occurred to you that
>the Malaysia government is doing the propoganda and you are the one who
>is being brainwashed ?
>	I have been reading you posts on the net, and I have to say you
>have one hell of a wacko characters which sometimes border on ludicrousness.
>You said not long ago you were given a choice of whether staying home or
>coming abroad to study and you prefered the latter.  I am sure one of 
>you objective is to broaden you horizon, and be a "better" person. 
>So my conjecture is that you are a very receptive person, however, you posts
>does not seem to reflect that.  This is just my $.02 psychological profile
>of you.
>	As I indicated in previous posts, try to step out of Ivy League, and
>look around you.  Observe the tolerance and friendliness of Americans. 
>You will be a happier person.  Judging from the "disgusted" and "pissed"
>words in your posts, I figure you must be in constant disgruntled mood.
>(Sorry for another psychological analysis, then again, you have very
>unique characteristics usually not found among us).


>Jack Teh  	

>Very good analysis ?Jack Teh.
Ming
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Subject: test
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From: aman@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Amril Aman)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:35:19 GMT

>Article: 8200 of soc.culture.asean
>From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
>Date: 11 Apr 92 05:56:57 GMT
>
>It has happened before.  The Indonesian govt, killed many Chinese and
>force the rest to forget their culture.  They are doing exactly the
>same thing now - GENOCIDE.  I hope the world can start to place 
>economic santions against Indonesia and force her to quit East Timor.
>
>Article: 8305 of soc.culture.asean
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
>From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
>Date: 15 Apr 92 03:09:46 +1200
>
>>
>>	Could you give any documentation of a genocide committed by
>>the Indonesian government?  I have not come across any of this
>allegation before, so it is a news item to me.  The so called
>"cultural genocide" does not count.
>
>Zam, go read the UN charter on human rights.  You find what is defined 
>as genocide.  Then access what the Indon govt. did.  Use your intellect
>(I am tempted to flame here but I shall not) to see if the Indon
>govt had commited genocide or not.  FYI, the Aust govt's actions in
>forcing their Aboriginies to "assimiliate" in to the White culture,
>a move much less radical than the Indon govt's, has been branded as 
>genocide. 
>

Dennis, could you give a 'credible' source that documented the
GENOCIDE of chinese people by Indonesian Government ??????
Be specific, please !!  Please give us the name of books, newspapers,
journal etc. that you used as your source.  ... No TABLOID, OK.... 
Also, you might give some information where did the GENOCIDE happen
(the name of the place), when did it happen, and how many chinese
became the victims ??  I spent most of my life in Indonesia, and
you are the first person who told me about the incident (if it really
occurs).
Personally, I don't believe with your posting.  Nevertheless lets give
you a chance for an explanation before concluding that your posting 
merely a TRASH.  
Thank you.

Amril Aman
aman@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: To ZAM
Keywords: your beloved sultan
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:57:34 GMT

In article <54068@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:
>Dear Zam,
>       Are you sure you are at MIT?  If you want to start calling
>names at me sir, I'm sorry I can't join you.  It's bad enough having
>to know that some non- malays are saying that the malays are dumb, you
>certainly doesn't seem like helping you own race.

Dear Jaafar:

	You were the one who started the "I heard..." game.  It is a
lovely game that Americans love to play, and using American rhetorics,
I used you as the object and play the same game all over again.  Now
that you are the subject of the "I heard" game, you feel annoyed at
me.  But sir, you started all of this.  If you can't play the game
that you started, you should not have done it in the first place.  

	You said that you "heard" from some people that the Sultan of
Kelantan is the dumbest of all Sultans in Malaysia.  I took offense to
that.  Why?  Because, you "heard" it from some place and use it in
your posting.  I showed you how ridiculous it could get by mentioning
that I "heard" you beat up your wife.  Of course, anyone who is
familiar with the ways Americans play this game know this is the
response that one always use to show how silly the "I heard" game
really is.  So sir, just like you don't feel any obligation to
apologize for your remark on the Sultan of Kelantan, I don't think
that I owe you any apology for playing your own game.  In the case of
name-calling, you started your first sentence basically chasticizing
me, which should qualify as a name-calling remark.

	I do not engage in name-calling especially with another Malay.
But you sir, have gone beyond the boundary of good taste by calling My
Sultan a dumb sultan.  He is still my sultan, no matter what kind of
stunt he pulled.  In this case, what he did was within his rights, and
should not be criticized at all.  But your criticism is not what irks
me, but your inclusion of the term "DUMB" based on hearsays and
innuendos.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: mjabar@uop.uop.edu (Mohamed Nazlen Abdul Jabar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 19:30:38 UTC
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA [138.9.200.1]


Hai there (fellow Malaysians).....

From what I know, according to Malaysian Constitution, there're nobody
above the law. Even the judge can be effected by the law. We are
implementing the circle constitution :

     +-> Law <----> Government <---> Sultans <-+          
     |                                         |
     +--> Judge  <--->  Citizens <-------------+

So, even sultans, Prime Minister, ministers, Judge or we must follows
the laws eventhough we create the law. The above cycle is turn around
and around in both directions and in any orders....


- Nazlen Jabar-
- UOP, California -

p/s : Sentiasa berdoa agar Malaysia aman, maju, sejahtera, damai selama
- lamanya. I am proud to be Malaysia....

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From: LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Dear Nor Aazizam
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:46:44 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Unparsable-Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 20:11:03 SST +0800

Dear Mr. Nor Aazizam,

The harsh tone of your words really take me aback.  Worse still, the
utterly sweeping statements which you have forcefully screamed into
this newsgroup reflect a degree of aggressiveness which cannot, but
take us all aback.  I find it hard to believe that such forceful, and
single minded propogation of views could actually come from one who is
in a world reknowned University.  What shocks me further is that, given
your promise, having been in such an institution, you'd be possibly a
future leader of our neighbours up north.  I cannot but hope that
leaders of neighbouring countries continue to be clear minded and
objective in their dealings with the rest of the world.

I do sincerely hope that you'd re-examine yourself and the views you take.
Extremism and views like that cannot but hurt the feelings of those around
you, something for which my dear country is blamed for (by whom? no points
for guessing!).  Until such time as your country thinks it's able to
survive on its own (and only the United States seem to be able to make
this astonishing claim, and even then, at a cost), I'd sincerely hope that
reknowned citzens like you could take a less confrontational style ... it
makes life better for everyone, and the world a better place to live in.
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Tay Edward S.                     | All views expressed are entirely
Law Undergraduate                 | my own and in no way reflects the
National University of Singapore  | opinions of the National Univeristy
----------------------------------| of Singapore, or any of its student
Email: law40001@nusvm.bitnet      | bodies.
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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Good Things in Malaysia  
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:59:43 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <9748.95926867@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Ming_Lim@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ming Lim) writes:
> Please don't forget about going out at 3am after a bout of midnight oil  
> burning on studies to get some roti chanai...  
>   
> Oi! roti satu, teh halia satu!  
>   
> I love that stuff, got so bad here that I started to try to make it  
> myself. 3 10kg bags of flour later, success!  
>   
	Aaarrggghhh!! Post the recipe. Post. Post. Post. I am sure others would
be interested too. Say, isn't "food" part of "culture"? Come on everyone, post
some nice recipes here. Promise not to sue if I burn my apartment :=) Know
where I can get some petai??? :=)

> Only thing...still have problems with the throwing part, but  
> perseverence will yield success at the end.  
>   
	Success will be yours :)

>> Man, I miss Malaysia.  
>>  
>   
> Ditto here too.  
>   
	Ditthree??
>   
>> Have a good day. Its snowing tonight, its cuckoo weather really.  
>   
> If it helps, it is just nice and sunny here.  
>   
	Supposed to be sunny here too but... :(

-Tai
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