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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re:  behavior modification or dog training
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:57:39 GMT
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>I have a question.  I took my almost five year old Pembroke
>Welsh Corgi to obedience classes.  We finished four of the 
>eight classes.  He did very well and he has learned nicely to
>sit, stay, and heel.  However, he refused to down.  This
>doesn't bother me because I wasn't interested in showing him.
>All I wanted was a better behaved dog.  However, he still
>barks to beat the band when the doorbell rings (or if the tv

>to.  Are there classes in behavior modification which is what I
>think he needs rather than obedience.  There must be others out there

No.  Training is behavior modification, although some classes are
oriented more towards competition than having a well-trained dog around 
the house.  Expert trainers know how to train certain excercises 
especially well, so that's what they teach.

Your dog's refusal to down is a sign of dominance.  If you cannot
make your dog obey you in the down, you will be unable to get
your dog to listen to you when he doesn't want to.

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 19:32:39 CST
From: <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Distribution: world
 <kathy_buetow-131192122105@physio103-1.life.uiuc.edu>
 <1992Nov15.191115.6945@infonode.ingr.com> <lgicvhINNf5m@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>

Nor does it explain why quite a few Siamese cats are also deaf.
It is possible that the deafness becomes linked with a certain
desirable characteristic, which is being bred for.  Some have
indicated that the gene(s) for hearing become paired with
blue eyes (as in Siamese or White cats) and others that it
becomes linked with white coats.

Genetics are an uncertain science, since there is so much we
don't know about how the genes interact with each other.
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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Pedigree Software Program
Keywords: Pedigree Software
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:27:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.152137.6611@cbfsb.cb.att.com> posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church) writes:
>Does anyone out there know where I might find a good
>software program for doing pedigrees?  Preferably would
>like a PD or SW version but a good commercial one would
>be OK.
>
>Please post as others might be interested also.

	I've been using "Kennel Management System" from Management Computer
Services, PO Box 3573, Modesto, CA 95352. I chose this software because it
also does show entry forms, whelping, medical, judging and show data in addition
to 6 generation pedigrees. Its advantages are ease of use and the printing of
entry forms. The disadvantages are cost and that it does not allow for comments
on judges. In addition, you must purchase their entry forms.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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From: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel)
Subject: how do i register puppies?
Reply-To: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:22:04 GMT

hi all.  i'm new to this group and soon to be a first-time dog owner.  i was
planning on buying a registered purebred female and having pups via a
registered stud.  

when all this is said and done, how do i go about registering the puppies?

any insights appreciated.

-- 
	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
				       -
      tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
		     -- i exclusively represent myself --
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:00:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24257
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Kruegar writes:
>> facts about the mental state of another are so hard to come by

>Correct.  Good thing we don't need them to train desired behaviors, or
>to prevent or solve behavior problems.

Well, the reason for calling it ``the mental state of another'' is to
make it unknowable.  It's part of a skeptical recital.

If I say that I'm not sure about your mental state to somebody, then
normally I'm claiming something's amiss.  Whereas, in the normal course
of events, things are not amiss, and I wouldn't choose that phrase.

I'd say ``Jon is a bit overeducated'' or something like that instead,
and the supposedly insurmountable difficulty hasn't even come up.

It's a question of whether the human is intelligible, whether there
can be a response that is adequate to its question, neither putting
in things that are not there, nor leaving out things that are there.
A contest of interpretation.

I want to say two things:

The question of the adequate response, almost uniquely, is answered
by a great dog - my command ``Susie, Sit!'' is perfectly answered by Susie
who sits and thinks ``I am Susie who sits in spite of rabbits.''  It is
an exactly just response, unattainable in human affairs.  It shapes what
I mean by what I say, and it shapes who she thinks she is.

(What am I trying to do here?  To find an adequate response to what
Susie does in words, neither putting things in that are not there, nor
leaving things out that are there.)

The question of knowing somebody's mental state is supposed to be
a scientific translation of knowing somebody as we know a friend.
When do I know sombody?  When he decides that I do.  And somebody
knows me when I decide that they do.  A point of grammar.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:05:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Dog with kidney problems that wouldn't eat -- thanks to all
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  I think it is completely selfish and even cruel to give someone
false hope.  The plain fact of the matter was that Sheila was deathly
ill.  There was absolutely No chance of a recovery unless she was put
on dialysis, or had a kidney transplant.  Kidneys are not optional. 
When they Quit on you, you're DEAD.
  It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.  In a situation like
this, about the only thing a person can do is reconcile themselves to
the death.  It is obvious how much you cared for Sheila, and that you
would have done anything in your power to return her to health. Hope
you are doing o.k. 
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: how do i register puppies?
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:34:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Nov17.203427.5672
Organization: Wright State University

w3In article <BxtvCt.Iun@javelin.sim.es.com>, tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:
> hi all.  i'm new to this group and soon to be a first-time dog owner.  i was
> planning on buying a registered purebred female and having pups via a
> registered stud.  
> 
> when all this is said and done, how do i go about registering the puppies?

Don't do it.  You just don't 'get a dog' and breed it until you:

	A:  Have an outstanding dog that would improve the breed.
	B:  Learn LOTS about the particular breed that you pick and
	    know of any genetic problems that breed might have.
	C:  Know for certain that you are not contributing to the
	    huge population of dogs that are put to death because no 
	    one wants them.

Sue


> 

> any insights appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> 	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
> 				       -
>       tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
> 		     -- i exclusively represent myself --
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From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Subject: Pedigree Software Program
Keywords: Pedigree Software
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:21:37 GMT

Does anyone out there know where I might find a good
software program for doing pedigrees?  Preferably would
like a PD or SW version but a good commercial one would
be OK.

Please post as others might be interested also.

-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|   Don Church    AT&T Bell Labs   Whippany, NJ  |      
|   dec@polaris.att.com            201-386-4947  |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 19:45:06 CST
From: <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Deafness and Dalmatians
 <RDURANT.92Nov18093324@rdurant.mentorg.com>

And did the breeder mention whether the DVM believes that
concentrating on only one specific characteristic (white coat,
blue eyes, whatever) and breeding only for that is a primary
factor in causing genetic troubles?
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:18:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.192508.13330@hou.amoco.com> zjsg12@hou.amoco.com writes:
>My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
>a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
>dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
>as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
>house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
>won't be a problem. 
>What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky, and Alaskan Malamute.

Let me dispense with Keeshonds first. I do not know anything about them,
other than I am certain that they shed like crazy.

As for Malamutes and Siberian Huskies, these meet only two of your four stated
criterion.  They, like any properly trained and socialized dog, are good
with children and they are relatively odor free (at least all of mine are).  However,
they are NOT watchdogs and the DO shed.  They are a double coated breed that will
typically shed twice a year, at least one of which will be a "coat blowing"
in which a very LARGE ammount of hair will be "blown" off, onto the ground, into
the air, and into your house.  In addition, these dogs are working breeds, which
need something to do in order to live happy, non-distructive lives.  They are
also quite stubborn and easily bored.  They can be very challenging to train.

Taking these things together, I would not recomend a Sib or a Mal for your
situation, at least not initially.  You are doing the right things, asking
the right questions.  There are several avenues you can persue, in addition
to asking for advice from the net.  The book _The Right Dog for You_ may be
useful, as would the Monks of New Skete books.  Once you narrow down the
breeds you think are best suited to your situation, you can talk to breeders
of these breeds, attend shows, and ask additional questions to make your final
selection.  You may discover that the best route is to go to your local humane
shelter and adopt a puppy similar to the breed(s) you have selected.  This too
can be wonderfully sucsessful.

I hope this helps.  If you would like more information about Sibs or Mals, please
feel free to e-mail me.


>
>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
>Amoco Production Company
>Houston, Texas
>
>____________________________________________________________________

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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Does anyone out there have any information on Norwegian Elkhound breeders 
on the West Coast or possibly a contact in Norway?  My wife and I are in 
the process of looking for an good show/breeding quality Elkhound and have 
been running into a LOT of problems with the dogs in our area.  We've been 
to three (3) shows here in Colorado and have NOT seen ANY dogs of the 
quality that we're interested in!!

The breed seems to have changed considerably since my wives family raised 
and showed these breeds when she was a kid in the mid- to late 60's.  The 
Norwegian Elkhounds they breed had:

	o  A marvelous disposition.
	o  Obedience trainable.
	o  Majestic looking with correct tail carriage (not too long, 
	   straight upward curl).
	o  Sturdy/strong medium size.
	o  Light chest with dark markings.
	o  Distinctive mane around the neck and shoulders.
	o  ... I'm sure there were other traits that she can't remember at
	       this time.

Any information you have at all on outstanding breeders would be greatly 
appreciated.  We are very interested in significantly improving the quality 
of the Norwegian Elkhound in our area.  Is anyone out there from Norway 
listening?  Thanks in advance for everyones help.

		Darwin A. DeVore

		E-Mail:  darwin@hpfcla.fc.hp.com
		Telephone:  T 229-4431


	P.S.  If anyone would interested in pedigree information on my 
	      wife's Elkhounds from the 60's (which included numerous 
	      Champions and a dog from Norway), just let me know.

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From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:53:08 GMT

In article <24206@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
>A similar trick is used to cure a `vicious' dog of biting, an appeal
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
>to the pride of the dog in his mastery of the art of discipline; of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>course, you have to have given him something to take pride in
>first.

Am I the only one out there that gets confused by the doggie psychology
terms being used here and in other posts?  I read the paragraph that I
reprint here and thought "yes, but what does it *mean*?"  This is not
meant to be a flame or anything, I just would love to learn more about
dog training (all kinds) and would love to be able to follow the reasoning.


Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov


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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: how do i register puppies?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:01:55 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <BxxEMn.8t6@javelin.sim.es.com> tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:
>
>>hi all.  i'm new to this group and soon to be a first-time dog owner.  i was
>>planning on buying a registered purebred female and having pups via a
>>registered stud.  

and then,

>i likely will spay my dog and perhaps breed another later depending on how
>satisfying and involved my ownership is.
>-- 

Yaah, Tim!  Awright!

Kathryn Roth Whitworth

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: TATOOING DOGS
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

/ hpcss01:rec.pets.dogs / 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick) /  9:18 am  Nov 12, 1992 /
Hi,

Has anyone had their dog tatooed.  I was wondering whether it is painful
and how long does it take.

Wendy
275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
I----------
I wonder if anyone has tried this (I have not yet)... I have a pet rabbit in
addition to my dogs, and read somewhere that rabbits can be painlessly I.D'd
by taking a permanent ink black pen, and writing your phone number on the
inside of their ear.  This would work on dogs too, wouldn't it?  You may have
to redo it every couple of weeks.  I'll try it out and let you know.  I'll
do it on the inside of the leg.

Diane
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:42:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: AM Bulldogs/Personal Protection
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I sympathize with your situation of living alone and looking into
getting a good protection dog.  A few years ago, we lived in a crummy
neighborhood, and also looked into the American Bulldog as a
protection dog.  In the end, I decided that it was just too eexpensiv.
 We used the money to move to a better neighborhood.
  In your situation, living in an apartment, being commissioned within
the year, looking foreward to a military life, I have to tell you,
buying a dog is not terribly practical for you at this time.
  This doesn't mean you can't have a dog in your life for this year. 
Go back to the protection trainer you talked to and strike a deal with
him.  Offer a foster home for one of his dogs for the year that you
will be in your appartment.  Perhaps you can Lease one of his trained
dogs.
  If you can't work anything out with this particular guy, ask around
to other dog trainers, or look into regular dog clubs.  Many breeders
would like to foster a dog out for a year.  It's a year they won't
have to care for the dog personally.
  Another breed to look at if you can't get the American Bulldog, is
any of the three Belgian sheepdogs.  
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
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From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Subject: Re: hip dysplasia
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:04:44 GMT


In article <BxvK53.C51@agps.lanl.gov>, boggs@agps.lanl.gov (Marsha topgun/ne) writes:

|>ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|>>  I had a German Shepard as a kid and really liked it.  Doubt if I
|>>would accept one today because they have a genetic deformity called
|>>hip displasia.  Most of them carry it, and they often end up totally
|>>crippled by the time they're a year or two old.
|>>  Maybe you could look into the Australian Cattle Dog.  They have not
|>>  been so overbred in this country yet as to have overwhelming physical
|>> problems.
|>>  --- FMail 0.92
|>>   * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
|>
|>
|>Aw c'mon! You make it sound like every german shepherd has hip dysplasia!
|>Yes, there are some that have and/or will develop it, but this is a 
|>possibility for all large breeds and even some of the smaller breeds.
|>I own 2 GSD's and am a breeder wanna be. My male has excellent hips at
|>2.5 years as certified by the OFA and comes from 5 generations of OFA's
|>parents. The other also comes from OFA's lines, but is only 6 months old
|>so cannot be graded yet. I know several breeders and they have had very 
|>little problem with hip dysplasia.  German shepherds are wonderful dogs.  
|>Don't eliminate a whole breed because of a problem related to ALL large
|>breeds.
|>
|>--Marsha
|>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>                     boggs@agps.lanl.gov (505) 665-6606
|>Los Alamos National Laboratory, P.O. Box 1663  MS J488  Los Alamos, NM 87545
|>

To backup what Marsha said, (in defense of GSD's), the rate of hip dysplasia
in GSD's is no where near the top of the list for breeds. Careful
selection and screening of the breeder will reduce the probability of
crippling hip dysplasia significantly.

Every breed has at least one "problem" that you need to watch for 
whether it is hip dysplasia, eye problems, skin problems, temperament
problems etc. Any breeder that asserts their breed does not have
problems is either lying or naive.

--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:53:30 GMT
Organization: not much...

I'm sure I'll be the first of many people to tell you more or less the same
thing, but here goes...

The short answer is "Don't get a dog for someone else".  

The longer version is Do they want a dog? Are they willing to take care of a
dog?  If they get a puppy, are they prepared to put up with the inevitable
messes and/or damage?  Do they have any preferences on breed, temperament,
etc.?  

If your parents really do want a dog, they should help pick it out.  I would
suggest going to a shelter and getting an older dog, not a puppy, unless they
really want to go through housebreaking.  Lots of nice dogs end up in shelters
for no good reason, or for good reasons that have nothing to do with
suitability as pets.

As far as breed is concerned, Airedales (sp?) and Poodles don't shed nearly as
much as most other breeds; Poodles are exceptionally bright and sociable.  We
have gotten two (Standard-size, 40-50 lb) from shelters; an older woman on our
block got a miniature (much smaller) from a shelter when her husband died.
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:16:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: shelter puppies
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

/ hpcss01:rec.pets.dogs / rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls) /  9:40 am  Nov 13, 1992 /
In article <1992Nov9.051443.14608@midway.uchicago.edu>
		betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
< a wonderful article about volunteering at a shelter>

I have a question for those who have volunteered at shelters *and* have
pets at home.  When I was going to talk to a breeder (the one that I
eventually chose), I mentioned that I had been to a local shelter and
she asked that I not wear the same shoes to her house the next day.  She
was afraid that I could have picked up something at the shelter and
brought it to her kennel.  Has this been a problem or concern for any of
you who have volunteered or worked at a shelter and have your own kids
at home?  Is this only a concern for really young puppies?  Comments?

Robbin (rhuls@pixel.kodak.com)

Yikes, I am struggling with the editor here... In our shelter, we have one
area where we keep stray dogs that we think have kennel cough.  We wipe our
shoes on a pad with disinfectant when we leave that area.  Otherwise, I take
no precautions, and have never had a problem.  The chances of your picking
up a virus in public exist too, but she's probably right that they are higher
in a kennel building.  But it has not concerned me.  I do wash my hands when
I leave, though.

DB


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