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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X" (2/2)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:57:33 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <ISBELL.92Apr8120426@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

>|If he prevails, and if the film is a big hit, all will be forgiven.
>|If he prevails, and the film is a flop, Lee will probably have trouble
>|getting his next film made the way he wants it.  If he doesn't prevail,
>|then Lee will lose a great deal of bargaining clout for future films,
>|regardless of how the film does

This is unfortunately true, but long movies are doing better and
better these days.  FRIED GREEN TOMATOES did rather respectably at the
box office, and of course JFK was well over three hours long.  Lee has
a better chance of producing a successful 3-hour film today than he
would have a few years ago.

On the other hand, MALCOLM X is almost certain to be seen as a
"minority" film (a sickening way to classify films, IMHO) and may draw
a smaller audience for that reason, but Spike Lee has become a big
enough name and has generated enough pre-release publicity to ensure
some considerable success for it, I think.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
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From: robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Social Spending Constitutional? (was Re: Asian Immigrants)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:56:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr11.015645.14720
Organization: Organization

In article <Ads5t0C00WBK02MtAz@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>
>Guy, no offense, but this is silly as hell.  Because it doesn't say in
>the Constitution anything about building freeways or ballparks or
>stadiums or giving loans to Chrysler and Amtrak, does that mean we're
>prohibited from doing thaat too?  According to your logic, half the

  Yes, that's obviously what it means.  Try reading the constitution
some time (including the ninth and tenth amendments).  Congress has
a few enumerated powers, all other authority rests with the people,
or can be delegated by them to the States.

> According to your logic, half the
>things we do in this country are unconstitutional.

  I'm not sure of the exact percentage, it may even be more than half.

>Geez,... unconstitutional...wow.

  Yes, it needs to be addressed.  Clarence Thomas may offer some hope
in this area.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison)
Subject: Re: F**k y'all
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:54:11 GMT

In article <92105.074857KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  I think now I have your attention.  Why don't we just change the name of this
>network to soc.culture.african.american.discrimination, because unless someone
>is dissing us because of our color you people don't seem to care or respond!
>I posted something about Arthur Ashe and the fact that this network is
>silent about the AIDS issue. I have also posted a while back about drugs and
>guns and what it is doing to us and again, little to no response.  But let
>someone come on here and call us names, incompentent or say that we are
>"not cost effective" and one hundred posts come out of the closet.  OUR
>BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW IS OUR INABILITY TO LOOK PAST DISCRIMINATION AND LOOK
>INWARD.

I think we all have the same concerns that you have.  A few of us are in
the process of forming a group to help young blacks 
the process of forming a group to help young blacks across the nation.
Did you know that?  Would you like to join?  I'm very concerned about
all those issues you brought up, but we need to do more than talk about
it. 
As far as Arthur Ashe is concerned, I didn't feel any comments were
necessary.  The man's privacy was invaded, AIDS or not.  What else is
there to say?

Marissa





Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Books about Blacks in America?
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:53:07 GMT



> From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
> Subject: Books about Blacks in America?
> 
> Hi. I am considering ordering "Two Nations" by Andrew Hacker. I was
> wondering if any of you have read it and if so, what you thought of
> it. 
> 
> I also would like to know what other books you would recommend, 
> particularly those published in the last 3-4 years. 
> 
> -Mary Howard
> 


Hacker wrote a cover story for The New Republic about a month ago,
"Myths of Racial Division," designed to show that numerous popular 
notions about the division between the races -- affirmative action
hurts whites, to name one -- are empirically false.  The object of
"Two Nations," it seems, is to expand upon this notion. (a) There do
not need to be grave inequities between blacks and whites in this
country. (b) But there are.  And nothing that happened in the 1980s
helped to close the divide.  From the three reviews I have read, it
is no-holds-barred and statistically masterful.

Three books have come out in the past two years that are each one-of-a-
kinds: The Promised Land: The Great Black Migration and How It Changed
America (by Nicholas Lemann, $13 paper), There Are No Children Here: The
Story of 2 Boys Growing up in the Other America [namely, the Henry Horner
Homes project on Chicago's West Side] (by Alex Kotlowitz, $12 paper), and
The Black Church in the African American Experience by C. Eric Lincoln
and Lawrence Mamiya ($20 paper from Duke). The first two are brilliantly
told stories, the third an exhaustive, unprecedented, positive sociological
document.

How's that?

Aaron Barnhart
barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexuality issue
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.kumgq2INNeqd
Distribution: world
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr14.191548.26914@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

|> I uncovered the following article in one of my classes this week.  I
|> found it rather enlightening, especially considering that it appears
|> to have been published over thirty years ago.  Its title is partially
|> chopped off of my Xeroxed copy, but it appears to be
|> 
|>  A LETTER TO OUR REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ABOUT THE WOMEN'S
|> 	       LIBERATION AND GAY LIBERATION MOVEMENTS:
|>
        (large amount of "revolutionary" rhetoric omitted here) 
|>
|>                                               ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
|> 
|>                                                    Huey P. Newton,
|>                                                    SUPREME COMMANDER
|>                                                    Black Panther Party


Blecch. Reading this old chestnut is almost enough to eliminate
any remaining romantic attachment that I might still have to the
militancy of the late 1960's and early 1970's.  With its
reference to "Nixon and Mitchell", this document is certainly not 
"over thirty years old"--more likely about 22 years old.

However well-intentioned this statement was, it's pretty obvious
that Mr. Newton didn't expect any women or gay people to read it.
It was clearly addressed strictly to straight men, and straight men 
with pretty backwards attitudes at that.

|> as we very well know sometimes our first instinct is to
|> want to hit a homosexual in the mouth and want a woman to be
|> quiet.

Not even the most conservative Republican could get away with
saying something like that today. 

Some things really have gotten better in the last 20 years!

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Books about Blacks in America?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:48:51 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr9.135234.3708@iscsvax.uni.edu>, howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> Hi. I am considering ordering "Two Nations" by Andrew Hacker. I was
|> wondering if any of you have read it and if so, what you thought of
|> it. 
|> 
|> I also would like to know what other books you would recommend, 
|> particularly those published in the last 3-4 years. 

A few I've found interesting:

    "The Closest of Strangers" by Jim Sleeper: about recent racial
         politics in NY City, including the Tawana Brawley case,
         Bensonhurst, etc., and the less-than-helpful role of 
         people such as Al Sharpton

    "There are No Children Here" by Alex Kotlowitz: about people
         in a truly awful housing project in Chicago

    "The Promised Land" by Nicholas Lemann.  About the great Black
         migration from the agricultural South to the urban North,
         focusing on several generations of an individual family
	 from Mississippi to Chicago and back

    "Devil's Night and Other True Tales of Detroit" by Ze'ev Chafetz.
         Somewhat glib and superficial, but interesting, stories of
         life in almost-all-Black Detroit and its almost-all-White suburbs.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Organization: Human Resources-Benefits, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 13:57:00 -0400 
From: Beatrice Mitchell <bm2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PGH Black Expo 92


                   100 Blackmen of Western PA. Inc.

                            presents

                   Pittsburgh Black Expo 92
                   "A tribute to Black Men" Dinner


      Keynote Speaker  Tony Brown  - Host of Tony Brown's Journal


Mt. Ararat Community Center             271 Paulson Avenue
Friday, May 1, 1992                     7:00 p.m. to 10:30 p.m.

                      Donation $30.00

                        Awardees

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              Dinner will be served promptly at 8:00 p.m.

              For more information call (412) 361-2142
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Enough about gay rights already:Post to alt.sex.homosexual
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:36:43 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I SUPPOSE I SOMEHOW CANNOT BE BOTH BLACK AND GAY.

I SUPPOSE I SHOULD SOMEHOW CLEAVE MYSELF IN HALF.
From: mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Winnie and Nelson Mandela splitting up
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:50:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr15.015058.28840
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr14.211343.29534@cs.wayne.edu> mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison) writes:
$I was saddened to hear about Nelson and Winnie Mandela seperating.  I
$don't know why it happened and I don't care to know because everyone is
$entitled to their privacy SUPPOSEDLY (not so for Arthur Ashe), but I
$think it's unfortunate.  

I must express my disdain for Mr. Mandela, however.  I think it's sorry that
he chose to back out on their relationship (he cited their "differences"), 
seeing as Mrs. Mandela stood there and held the torch for _twenty-fucking
seven years_ while he sat in jail.  Now Winnie has some problems wit the law
and he's leavin her.  To me, that's a sorry ass, sellout motherfucker.  Some
members of the ANC were saying that Winnie is making them look bad.  Well
when Nelson was in jail excuse me for bein naive but I think he was makin
the ANC look bad like a motherfucker.

I just think the whole situation is sorry.
 
I just had to get that off my chest.

Peace and collard greens.

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From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Books about Blacks in America?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:52:34 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi. I am considering ordering "Two Nations" by Andrew Hacker. I was
wondering if any of you have read it and if so, what you thought of
it. 

I also would like to know what other books you would recommend, 
particularly those published in the last 3-4 years. 

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:05:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.174840.5534@sequent.com> news@sequent.com (News on Muncher) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.005510.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>
>>in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?  Lawrence Welk?  But
>
> Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This is
> white music.

Interestingly, there was a big flap at Stanford a number of years ago
about a racist poster that was put up following the serious assertion
in a Western Culture section that (I believe it was) Beethoven was
black (or at least "African").  I don't recall the specifics (it's
been a while) or what the supporting evidence was for the assertion.

Evan Kirshenbaum
    HP Laboratories
    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U
    Palo Alto, CA  94304

    kirshenbaum@hplabs.hp.com
    (415)857-7572
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: shr@cs.brown.edu (Seth H. Rosenzweig)
Subject: Re: Read This! New Info On An Afrikan Unification Movement
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:08:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.184805.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu>
richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:

>To all who read this,
>        I am the chairman of a wonderful and revolutionary new group,
>the Afrikan Concerns Association.

How about calling it the Afrika Korps? :-)

__________________
Seth H. Rosenzweig			shr@cs.brown.edu
P.O. Box 1910, Brown University		shr@browncs.bitnet
Providence, RI 02912			uunet!brunix!shr
From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: FRAUD - RE: Black men are not cost effective
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:00:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility

In article <92099.135306KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>    Someone out there is trying to be an a**hole.  I have found out that the
> article that the person cites to cause this stuff is actually entitled
> "MEN are not cost effective".  It seems that our "friend" has substituted
> Black for Men and tried to misrepresent the author's assertions.  Please
> people, if you are going to try and attack us, at least come with credible
> evidence, or at least don't outright misrepresent someone else's work!

    I knew there was something really strange about the "jungle" comment.  
Today, even among professional bigots the whole jungle metaphor is passe'.
They prefer to associate African heritage with much vaguer concepts, like
that of the "urban jungle".  Regular old jungle metaphors don't have the pro-
per shock value, making the target audiance think of old Tarzan re-runs
rather than Willie Horton.

    So it seems clear the person who posted this took some article written
by a woman author about how men (not blacks) should have to fund the prison
system and then doctored it so that the whole article was about race and
not sex.  Then, he was going to prove a point about how sexist the article
was, by showing how all the s.c.a.a. folx would jump up and down scream-
ing "racist" once they read the altered version.  Sounds like he was looking
for guinea pigs.  Fortunately, there don't seem to be many takers. 

                                  JCM                      
             |---------------------------------------------|
             |--Mills_J@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Jason Mills)----|
             |     "Boredom is the mother of invention."   |
             -----------------------------------------------
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From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: FRAUD - RE: Black men are not cost effective
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:10:43 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:


>    So it seems clear the person who posted this took some article written
>by a woman author about how men (not blacks) should have to fund the prison
>system and then doctored it so that the whole article was about race and
>not sex.  Then, he was going to prove a point about how sexist the article
>was, by showing how all the s.c.a.a. folx would jump up and down scream-
>ing "racist" once they read the altered version.  Sounds like he was looking
>for guinea pigs.  Fortunately, there don't seem to be many takers. 

The only problem with his strategy is that when you
replace "blacks" with "men", I agree with the article. I mean,
whites commit 70% of crime, making the altered version just plain
silly. But men commit virtually all violent and property crime
committed in this country.  So it begins to make some sense.


>                                  JCM                      

Stanford S. Guillory
sguillor@pcocd2.intel.com
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:54:48 GMT
 <f9nE02G70fgr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com><1992Apr14.001805.17114@sequent.com>
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
14-Apr-92  Re: Maury Povich Show: She ..  kevinc@sequent.com (571)          
>>to be in Europe.  There are numerous poets, composers, etc. with
>>African blood.
> 
>  Good reasoning.  Having Afrikan royalty present in Europe during the
> 16th Century makes all great Europeans part Afrikan.   
> 
>  There are numerous "poets, composers, etc" without too.  Can't you
> admit that a Caucasian is capable of greatness without "African blood"?
> 

Where does this say this?  Beethoven, to my recollection was a Moor (or
at least in part)... who were descended of Africa.   What does his being
black have to have anything to do with his being a genius? (or his being
white, for that matter?)

DCAL
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From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:38:03 GMT
	<1992Apr7.215007.831@sequent.com>
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
 7-Apr-92  Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT..  News on Muncher@sequent. (438)    
>  Yes! Not everyone agrees that the Federal Governmant is here to feed,clothe
> educate and provide housing.
> 
>  Where is the money going to come from?

The money that never SHOULD have NEVER had to go into bailing out the S
and L's.

DCAL 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Ashe and Aids and us
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:02:31 GMT


>   Along the same lines I am totally appalled at the way the media forced
>Mr. Ashe to "come out of the closet".  He should have come out on his own terms
>and his own time.  After all, he has a young daughter to think of.  This is
>not an issue of race, but one of privacy and the depth that in our quest for
>gossip, we give the media the impression that we want all the information on
>famous people no matter how painful it is for them.  In addition, the stress
>of the last week is not good for Mr. Ashe physically.  But in the name of a
>story, people need to know.


This was disturbing, and most media types recognize the culture has gone
too far with its tabloid mentality. The man did *not* want to become an
AIDS icon, and since his mode of infection is (supposedly) archaic, there
does not seem to be a lot gained by his "outing." Anyone who saw his
emotional pain as he unsuccessfully tried to read the portion of his
statement that had to do with what his young daughter was now going to
have to cope with...
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Life Is Cheap
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:48:02 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

I strongly recommend that anyone who has access to the 14 April 1992 edition
of the Los Angeles Times read the Column One article "An Ethic Dies With
Gang Chief" which chronicles the history of the Crips street gang in
South Central L.A. It describes the evolution of a "life is cheap" ethic
(with the advent of rock cocaine) from a "Community Revolution In Progress"
(CRIP) ethic (that of the BPP-influenced Crip founder).
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ahung@uceng.UC.EDU (Arthur C Hung)
Subject: VALUATION of Long Life vs. Enjoying Life Now...
Keywords: African American Values
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:40:07 GMT

Cultural values of African-Americans let alone any culture are difficult
to find in statistics or Black Studies.  They are either not studied
enough or in proper detail to answer the following question of our
values.  The responses to this question will be presented in a study at
the University of Cincinnati April 21st.  We need your imput everyone!
Thank you- Peace.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is your personal opinion of the African-American valuation of long
life vs. the valuation of "enjoying life now"?  Is there a definition
for it and how does it manifest itself in everyday life?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

(Your answers don't have to be as stiff & scientific as the question,
just your opinion is great.)

-AH

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american