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From: cooper@cs.arizona.edu (Andrew E. Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doc in England
Summary: agree
Date: 4 Oct 92 09:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.165439.21972@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:
> 
>   I happened to be in London, England in mid-to-late August, and, of
>
>  <good stuff deleted>
> 
> 
>   The good Doctor was not prominent in London, to say the least. I did find
>  a few amusing displays at the Museum of the Moving Image. They had a
>  Cyberman and a Dalek and some cool memorabilia but it was nothing compared
>  to 1991's extravaganza.
> 
>   To summarize: Anything you're trying to acquire, Who-wise, you can find
>  just as easily in the States or in Canada. They've even managed to catch
>  up with releases of the New Adventures (they arrive here in North America
>  at the worst a month after the England release).
> 


  Having spent three years in England, I would have to agree.  I did a tour
in the USAF and spent most of it in Norfolk 1987-1989.  Watched quite a bit
of British television, all four channels. The Doctor was broadcast very
seldom and did not appear very much in popular culture (e.g. newspapers,
magazines, posters, etc.)  Nothing like I expected, but then ours is a much
more media oriented culture, take The Simpsons for example.  I have seen
more Dr. Who episodes in the last few months on our local PBS station than I
did in my entire time in the home country of The Doctor. By all means go to
England to see the country, it is a fantastic place to visit, but don't go
to see Dr. Who.

  Good, my reminder program just came up with the alert I have been waiting
for, Dr. Who and the Silurians is about to come on...


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From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Many Questions About Dr. Who
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Oct3.153439.23659@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 11:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.153439.23659@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

>  Also, there is absolutely no foundation for the "Gallifreyans are sterile"
>  comment within the series itself.  I have not yet read the Cat's Cradle
>  books but even if they say this is so, it means nothing as the New

Actually the Cat's Cradle books don't state that Gallifreyans are sterile.  It
just says that no Gallifreyans have been born on Gallifrey since a particular
date.  The real mystery is then where do Gallifreyans come from.  Maybe they
travel else where to reproduce...  (Sort of simmular to a passage to man hood.
Passage to adulthood.  Go away, and don't come back until you can bring some-else
with you.  (Remember they don't allow aliens on Gallifrey...))  Anyways, even if
this is not the typical method of reproduction, I strongly suspect Susan was an
off-worlder.

                                       Bill
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Last of the Bannermen?  Stunk.
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:33:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <BD.92Oct5132545@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>Okay, my local public television took a few weeks off from
>Dr. Who, and came back by broadcasting the episode "Last
>of the Bannerman".
>
>This episode was just terrible, IMHO.
>
>Does the series get better again? or should I just
>stop watching now?
>-- 
>   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
>                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
>             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
>                              DoD # 0698

First off, the proper title is "Delta and the Bannermen," I kind of
like this kooky little show.  It is very definitely non-traditional
Who, but taken as it is, it's kind of fun.
I can recall having much the same reaction as you did for about the first
fifty minutes the first time I saw it, then I said, "Oh heck with it,
so what if it isn't traditional?  It's still fun, and funny."

If by "better" you mean more traditional style Who, yes, keep watching.
If your station stays on track, you'll get the fairly good "Dragonfire"
next, and then the simply exquisitely classic "Remembrance of the Daleks,"
whith more classics in the form  of "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy,"
"The Curse of Fenric," and "Survival," as well as some very rock solid
stories in the form of "Battlefield," "The Happiness Patrol," and
others.
From: Liz%Eng%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Anybody want to lend me a few books?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:07:39 GMT

I went to my local bookstore last night to check on my order for the Timewyrm 
series, and to place an order for Nightshade.  I decided as long as I was 
there to order the remainder of the Sylvester McCoy episode novelizations, 
just to be an anal completist. ;-)  Much to my astonishment, however, I was 
informed that "Silver Nemesis" and "Time and the Rani" are out of print in 
both the US and the UK.  (Unless their microfiche was out of date, which is 
possible, I suppose.)

Now, I understand that both these stories, especially TatR, are supposed to 
be rather awful.  I'd still like to read them, though, since I think it'll be 
a pretty chilly day in hell before I manage to catch them on TV.  So if I 
provide postage in both directions, would anyone be game to loan me their 
copies for a week or so?

Liz
lizb@banyan.com  <==  MUCH more reliable than the "FROM" address above
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Subject: Re: Current Conditions and Countdowns
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:13:17 -0700
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho

In article <1992Sep30.190402.16990@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> This posting is just a reminder to lots of people (anyone reading
> the net actually) about two things, no make that lots of things, coming
> States-side very soon.
> 
> The major *big* imminent event is the CBS/Fox video release of four
> new "Doctor Who" titles next week (onn
>  the 8th I believe). 
> 
> Those titles are:
> "The Tomb of the Cybermen"
> "Shada"
> "The Pertwee Years"
> and "The Caves of Androzani"
> 
> These tapes will most lkely retail for $19.95 each (or near that anyway)
> 

Anyone have  phone # for ordering direct?

PHIL
From: rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:22:07 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

> wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:
>
> - Wrongo, Dave! The BBC is ONLY colorizing those stories that they have
> - colour copies of (be they of low quality or not). There is no colour copy
> - of Mind of Evil and various other episodes, and so the BBC is not going
> - to touch those episodes with a 10 foot Quantel. Likewise, they aren't
> - going to fool around with the remaining Troughton and Hartnell episodes,
> - since they were B%W to begin with.
> -
>   try again,  With Planet of the Dalkes and Invasion, it would not be that
> difficult to deduce what the colour pattern would be as 5 of the 6 do retain
> the pattern.  As for Mind of Evil, well I might agree that it would be tough
> do.

Dave, unless you've got some really high-tech computer systems in that
liberal TARDIS of yours, whether you've got zero color episodes or twenty,
IT WILL MAKE *NO* DIFFERENCE!  If you'd been paying attention, you'd know
that you can't just feed a sample into a computer and *hey-presto* the
computer will automatically know which colors go where.  If every other
frame of something was b&w, that would be possible, since there is a direct
correlation between the color frame, the b&w frame, and the next color
frame.  (see the MPEG standard for the technical details)  This is something
like what they did for the Daemons. (ie- direct correlation between a color
frame and a b&w frame)  What you're asking, Dave, is akin to giving a
computer the first frame of a episode and the last, and telling it to make
up all the bits in between.  I'm sorry, Dave.  It can't do that!

BTW, do try to capitalize a LITTLE!

FYI: We've already got some votes for the alt.flames.yadallee group!  Keep
'em coming!  I'll post the best Dave-flames, and DSY can reply in his, ahem,
UNIQUE and INFORMED style!  :-)

> Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain

That's it, Dave!  Abstain !  Chastity will be our watch-word!!
(Oh gee, sorry, Dave!  You already do that......)

Mike Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us ) <-- DSY-flames go here!

 .--. ---------  *****> Mike Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us ) <*****
(OS/2) ---------                Doctor Who for President
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From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Inconsistancies (sp?) and Boo boo's
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 02:30:54 GMT
Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au


In article <1992Oct5.024729.28901@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

 > The other day, I read Dalek Invasion of Earth (with the first Doctor). I
 > found something quite interesting.
 > The Daleks (in that story) were controlled by radio signals, and once
 > the antenna was blown up, the dalek in the control room stopped working.
 > This would mean (I assume) that in that story, the daleks were just
 > machines, with no living mutant to control it.
 > It seems to me that in the writers in the later episodes (4th doctor
 > onwards (can someone confirm this?)), made a huge mistake in adding the
 > mutant part to the dalek. They obviously did not do their homework.
 > Anybody care to try and close this gap?

The idea of mutants inside the mechanical shell has been around since the
second story when they were first introduced into the show.

In that story the daleks were powered by electric currents running through the
floor of their city on Skaro.  It may be possible to explain the loss of
dalek operation after blowing the antenna by assuming that the daleks
required the signals for powering their mechanical shells when on Earth.

As the Daleks became increasingly sophisticated in later stories, I presume
they eventually came equipped with internal long life power supplies.

I haven't read DIOE for a while so I'm going on memory about the antenna.

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From: 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re:Ragnarok/Sylvester McCoy
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:31:00 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


Actually, the three Norns- Urd (Fate), Skuld (Being), and Verdandi (Necessity) 

exist to sustain the tree, Yggdrasill.  They are godesses, and will (or are at

least supposed to) care for the tree even beyond Ragnarok.  It is only when 

they stop attending to Yggdrasill that the era of gods and man will cease.

Yes, I do mean to say that humans will survive Ragnarok.  Two of them (us).

Lif and Lifthrasir, a man and a woman, will hide in the tree and be saved.

	I realize this is a bit beyond the scope of Dr. Who, but being a 

Norwegian myself, I like the topic. :)             JC Anderson
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Keeper Of The Matrix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: I don't have a number for CBS\Fox, but . . .
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:43:11 GMT


 Regarding Message : Re: Current Conditions and Countdowns
 Written By        : ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu

     . . . I do have a number for 'Signals', which have carried Doctor Who
videos for ages . . . 1-800-669-9696 . . .

-Keeper Of The Matrix-

. . . Being a Timelord is soooo much fun! . . . 

   The Matrix: Doctor Who BBS  
   WWIVNet @2925  FireNET @2901  IceNET @2925 <209 AC>  WWIVLink @22925  
    TARDISNet @1 <Global Network Coordinator>  USENet tardis.cojones.com
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor's medical qualifications?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep30.134719.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk> brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
>Can any trivia minded person give me details of the
>Doctor's medical qualifications. I seem to recall/
>have heard somewhere that the character took a medical 
>degree at Edinburgh or Glasgow. Where did this info
>come from? Any help would be gratefully received.

"The Moonbase" is the story that tells us about his medical degree, and
the novel and TV versions differ on where he got it.  
If my hazy memory of my hazy copy of "Moonbase" episode 2 serves me correctly,
the TV version says he got it in Edinburgh.  I don't remember the date
exactly, but I do remember that the novel sate and TV datre were slightly
different, bhut both were in the 1800s.  Thus, Polly was a little sceptical 
of the Doctor's medical qualifications.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Visit to a Strange Universe Revisited (Bad Stuff)
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:10:04 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep16.083800.2354@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>In <1992Sep15.143024.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:

>> Hey!  I'm really enjoying this story.  So far, i've found parts 1 and 2
>> I think (up to the drawing of the Enterprise bridge).  When will the
>> rest of the story be posted???!!! ;-)
 
>Hey!  I think this story sucks real bad.  first of all, the Star Trek and 
>Dr. Who milieu's are just completely incompatible.  Trying to match them
>together is an exercise in futility, and written by someone who the comic 
>readers would call a fan boy i.e. someone who idolises the whole thing without

...flame flame flame blah blah blah...

Perhaps we should close-caption all cross-over stories for the humor-impaired.

Folks, the best crossovers that I have read ("The Doctor and the Enterprise",
"Glitz!" in which Sabalom Glitz and Ace encounter several different
universes, a story where Sarah Jane Smith investigates the Ministry of
Silly Walks, et cetera) have all delighted in the clash of completely
opposite mythologies.  They've been played, not necessarily for parody,
but for fun.  They can be used for the serious point of showing how
different two universe-views are (pitting Kirk's Enterprise against the
Liberator, and showing the more Fascist side of the Federation), or as
an out-and-out romp (Bill and Ted run into the Doctor and Ace, and if you
thought jazz messed up the Cybermen's circuitry, wait'll they hear the
Wyld Stallyns).  They can be used for musing, or amusing, but they always
play with your mind at make you think about things in a different
context.

That's what the best science fiction is about, after all.

As for the charge of being unoriginal, well, no Whovian can afford to be
too picky on that point.  Many of the best Whos have openly stolen from
other sources.  It's the way they didn't just crib the ideas, but BUILT
on them, that made them creative and worthwhile in their own right.  And
the best fan fiction shares that virtue.

Now, where did I put that copy of "Bill and Ted's Well Naff Experience"...
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From: mrmuon@next03csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:39:41 GMT

In article <t921036.717826572@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>  
t921036@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (GuessWho??) writes:
> i do agree with your Norse figures...they are called _The Fates_ in the  
Norse mythology...the three that sit in judgement...where does the name  
Ragnarok come    from...??

Better brush up on your Norse Mythology. The Norse equivalent of the  
(Greco-Roman) Fates are the Norns (and these are quite similar). The Norns  
show up in DW only in "TimeWyrm: Revelation" though not by name (at least  
I think it's them). 
The Norns don't exactly sit in judgement. They weave out people's fates.
Ragnarok is the Norse Apocolypse in which the gods fight a final battle  
with the giants and jotuns and Fenric. I'm not sure where the Norns are  
supposed to be during Ragnarok, but perhaps that the Gods of Ragnarok were  
supposed to be. If so it wasn't pulled off very well, because thre isn't  
much resemblance.
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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:17:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.213824.21934@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>	Someone did point out that there are some mistakes in Genesys, this
>>is true, but if they read Exodus, they would know that the mistakes were
>>clarified by Terrance Dicks.  It was a cop out, but he was maintaining the
>>continuity.
>>
>I read both, but I cannot recall how Terrance Dicks corrected John Peel's
>mistakes in Genesys.  Please elaborate.

	Well, I think that the most noticeable mistake that John Peel made
was the beginning when Ace got her memory erased by accident.  When the
Doctor gave her back her memories, it mentioned that she remembered
Paradise Towers.  Which is wrong because as we all know, it wasn't Ace that
was there, it was Mel.
	In Exodus, Terrance Dicks specifically has Ace remember that
"scene," saying something like how the Doctor screwed up and erased her
memories by accident, but he gave them back to her with an extra one of
Melanie's to boot.  I lent the books to a friend, so I can't refer you to
one of the chapters or a page.  If I had it here, I'd even quote it for
you.  I remember it because it gave me such a great laugh.  Of course, I
could also be in the wrong book and it happened in Apocalypse, but I doubt
it.

>As for taking the New Adventures as canon, I'll back off a little and
>take more of a neutral ground, except in cases where a New Adventure
>tries to rewrite or contradict earlier continuity from the TV series, such as
>"Gallifreyans are sterile"  (aplogies if I've got this wrong, I can't
>find the Cat's Cradle series anywhere I look so I then can't very well
>read them either.) when we know from Susan and other statements in
>stories like "Tomb of the Cybermen" and "Curse of Fenric" that he has
>a family, making Susan's case for real granddaughter more credible.

	Actually it was hinted in several episodes and actually stated in
Nightshade (again we run up against the canonical thing again, is it or
isn't it?  :) that Susan wasn't really his relative but rather his first
companion.  I mean, we all know that the Doctor stole the Tardis.  How many
actually can see her along on the heist?  :)
	In Nightshade, he talks very fondly of her and thinks about her as
the one companion that he got too close to.  Kind of a strange thought if
you consider that they are related.
	And I hate to guess, but what about cloning?  The problem with
making Gallifreyans sterile is that the entire population would have died
off.  Or at least drop considerably.  If she was a clone of someone then
they would theoretically be related.  Don't take this is an explanation,
but just conjecture.  I mean, think about what you would have done if your
race suddenly became sterile.

						Cliff Chen
						cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: The Gods of Ragnarok (Was Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:35:38 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

t921036@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (GuessWho??) writes:
>ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

>>>Do you have any Idea who the "gods of Ragnarok" were?


>>In a way, yes, they are figures from Norse mythology.
>>As to how they pertain in the story, all we do know and all we need to
>>know for the story is that the Doctor has met them before somewhere,
>>they inhabit another time/space, and they have formidable mind powers
>>which the eye-mirror could reflect back onto them.

>i do agree with your Norse figures...they are called _The Fates_ in the Norse
>mythology...the three that sit in judgement...where does the name Ragnarok 
>come from...??

Ragnarok is supposedly the war at the end of creation between the good
and evil gods in Norse mythology. Supposedly, at the end of time, all 
the gods die and the Universe starts over again, presumably a somewhat
better place than it is this time around (although I'm not sure about
that last).

I've never heard the Norns (which may well be "Fates" in whatever lan-
guage the old Norse used; I can't remember) referred to as "the gods
of Ragnarok," but it's entirely possible that it's just an obscure
reference I haven't run across in my limited experience with the sub-
ject.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
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From: mrmuon@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Invasion of Time
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:26:20 GMT

There has been a couple threads lately that involve "the Invasion of  
Time". So I watched it this weekend and wanted to list a few observations.

The key in this story is indeed called simply "the Great Key" contrary to  
what I had thought.

Rodan is never even implied to be a Time Lord, contrary to what someone  
posted recently.

When Andred is escorting an Elderly Time Lord out of the Citadel that TL  
says: "When you're my age - I'm in my Tenth regeneration you know!" which  
strongly implies that the Gaurds, or at least the gaurd captain, are  
capable of regeneration.

The expulsions are to "outer Gallifrey", everything else takes place in  
"the Citadel" (once called the "city") but it is not really ruled out that  
there is nothing else but these two areas.

Anyway, how can you hate a story with a line like:

"Got your new orders yet? 
"Get in touch with commander Stor; He'll put you in the picture!"
    - The Doctor
From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Current Conditions and Countdowns
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 12:16:12 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

> The other thing is that the Sci-Fi Channel (if they are on schedule)
> have started running "The Ark in Space" today (Wednesday) and the other
> three episodes will last out the week, with "The Sontaran Experiment" 
> on Monday and Tuesday next week, and then ":
> Genesis of the Daleks" starting its six-part run.


Or TSE starts on Saturday, or they skip a rerun, or they just forget and run 
42 PI spots back to back.....  sigh ... it is hard to stay excited about
them...


==================================================================
Barry Mishkind
barry@jab.tucson.az.us
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