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From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:00:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1jsde2INNp88@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>  It's actually kind of a stupid holiday anyway, not that I'm complaining.
>>  But since when do people get a day off just to recover from eating
>>  too much?  What I don't get is that they've shifted all the other
>>  holidays around to make it Monday or Friday, but left Thanksgiving
>>  on Thursday where it traditionally is.  Also MLK's birthday is
>>  Jan 15 (a Friday), so why was the official day on the 18th (Monday)?
>
>Aren't the ones that have been shifted to Monday or Friday been ones that
>have been tied to specific dates?  Thanksgiving has been tied to the 4th
>(or is the 3rd?) Thursday in November.
>
>Holidays seem to fall into two classes: those you celebrate with relatives
>that do not live with you, and those that you don't.  Thanksgiving is one of
>those that a lot of people want to spend visiting relatives, and so having
>an extra day after to travel is nice (it would be nicer if the holiday
>were on Friday and people got Thursday off to travel).
>
>{Christmas/Hanuukah(sp?)/Kwanza(sp?)/Solstice} and New Years are the best
>deal, though.  If you work at a place that gives you Monday off when these
>fall on Tuesday, then by taking 6 vacation days, you can 16 consecutive
>days off!
>
>--Tim Smith
>
>
>>>
>>>All of these, while being arguable at best, still don't address
>>>the issue of having a holiday for a singular white "hero."  They
>>
>>  Isn't George Washington a singular white "hero"?
>>
>>>[ parades having ]
>>>some (although possibly disproportionate amount) people of "color."
>>
>>  So join in the celebration of MLK day if you feel like equalizing
>>  the "color" ratio.
>>>
>>>You do mention some good points, thanks for the input.
>>>
>>>-phil
>>
>>

For all of you Brothers and Sisters out there who are still hyped by the
holiday thing, I strongly suggest that you read:
African People and European Holidays: A Mental Genocide Vols I & II by
Rev. Ishakamusa Barshango

I believe this will shed a different persective on the holiday tip for the
African/African-American.

Arthur

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: Re: My last word on ..."You be the Judge!"
Organization: trunking_fixed
             
  "Caucasian Whimps?  You be the judge!"
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:32:35 GMT

True.  The title says Phil's intentions:
Evaluation of caucasian 
AND
his mention of MLK is meant to be:
To find caucasian IN COMPARISON TO/WITH MLK.

Case of misunderstanding. AGAIN.

-Marida
 "Eliminate the core (or kernel) of the problem
  then the shell(s) (whatever color/type) shall go 
  down with it"
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why so much about sex here? only way to express? Re: Asian AM with African AF
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:19:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan27.003924.17337@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>I picked the following recently off of su.events (Stanford local group),
>discussing why it's important to learn about history, even including
>those unpleasant parts of our past that many would rather we forget.
>						--Alan
[parable of the lawnmower deleted.]
>...when some people (hopefully all scientists and even
>psychologists) ask "How did it get this way?", that's what they mean,
>and they ask it, not to place blame, but to understand, and perhaps
>yield something positive. ]

Are these your words, Alan?  The structure of the post didn't quite make
it clear to me.

In any case:  A significant portion of the pointless arguments on this
newsgroup and on at least one other I can think of would be eliminated if
everyone kept this idea in mind.  However, (you knew it was coming, didn't
you?) I submit that more relevant to "How do we fix it?" than "How did it
get this way?" is "Why does it stay this way?"

Next time you see a situation where you believe this observation is
applicable, please call it to our attention.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: "Rising Sun" (was Re: Fuck Michael Crichton)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:29:28 GMT

In article <9301210933.AA19922@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
	[Exchange with Rikiya deleted.]
>--
>I've read quite a few of Michael Crichton's books:  "The Terminal Man",
>"The Andromeda Strain", "Sphere", "Jurassic Park", "Electronic Life".
>"Sphere" and "Jurassic Park" were quite good.  (They both had Asian
>American characters, by the way.)
>
>I read "Rising Sun" a few months ago.  I didn't like it much.  The
>plot was predictable, with a couple of twists but little suspense;
>the characters were two-dimensional.  There was a lot of material on
>how Japan is taking over the United States, but in a novel, it isn't
>terribly convincing.

The danger, IMHO, is that as fiction, it has no accountability, yet
many people appear to be taking it as fact.  Recently, someone posted
a huge (~1500 line) diatribe called "JapanYes" about how those evil
sneaky Japanese are taking over our beloved America.  The afterword
cited Crichton's "Rising Sun" as a reference.  That's pretty scary in my book.
						--Alan Hu

>
	[Stuff about US economic decline and rising US-Japan tension deleted.]
>
>--Russil


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: On Hating Whites was Re: * Michael Crichton
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:12:19 GMT

Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

: Isn't this the best! This individual doesn't know the hoorible treatment
: that I've been taken by those humans whom were white. 

Ok, fine. None of us doubt that. But you are shooting yourself in the
foot by going ahead and slamming the ENTIRE "Caucasian" race (or in
otherwords, anyone who looks "white" enough to be classed as
"Caucasian") for evils never committed. It may feel good, you may
think that this is your "just revenge" but in fact, you turn all of
the open-minded people against you. Hate fuels hate.


: I don't hate white people.

You just say a lot of nasty things about them.


: It is insulting to me that you
: are assuming that my true experiences are "Misinformation about white
: people based on false, vindictive and vicious stereotyping"!

It is VERY insulting to everyone else that you feel empowered to make
general, sweeping, inaccurate descriptions of entire races of people.



: This is a funny ascertion. but, it is another attempt to angelical-ized those
: people who are extremely bigotted and who are aslo white. I've seen many
: attempts but this takes the cake!

This is really bizarre to put people you've never met on trial for crimes
they never committed, and simply because of their race. (Is this not RACISM?)

: The Great Caucasian European Blunder Pt. One

(1) You may be shocked to hear that none of us were part of this colonization.

(2) If you want to talk about ancestoral crimes, let's talk about the Japanese
in China, Korea, Japan, ...


The main point is this. I don't doubt that you've had bad experiences
with Caucasians. And I don't blaim you for being angry. 
However, when you go ahead and generalize about a whole race of people,
you turn all of your potential allies, the open-minded people, against
you. If you are spreading lies about people of my race, how can I not
resent that?

I've had my share of run-ins with Koreans, and even Japanese, but I know
better than to make generalizations. (As a matter of fact, myself and 
handful of others were directly attacked in the student newspaper on
Thursday, and insulted in every way possible. Even our PARENTS were
brought into it.) 

My point is this: In spite of the fact that the
author of this garbage is Korean, I know that he does not represent all
Korean people. I furthermore know that there are a lot of great Koreans
out there, who cannot in any way be blamed for the opions of ONE of their
race. And finally, by struggling to keep an open-mind, and inspite of A LOT 
of bad experiences with Koreans, I have recently made some good friends who 
are Korean.

I realize that you've had bad experiences, and you're justifibly angry.
But please, don't hate anyone because of their color. I know that it 
can be really tough to keep an open mind, but it is also one of the most
worthwhile things that you can do
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11871 ucb.general:230
From: jctwu@soda.berkeley.edu (Jeffrey Twu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ucb.general
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal-Are we unclear on concept here?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:56:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: racism

In article <1993Jan21.234047.4743@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>The _issue_ is whether this statement is _racial_ harrassment.  After
>reading that statement, I see _no_ way by which that statement could
>be interpreted as racist.  I even consulted Webster's dictionary.
>
>Asian is _not_ a racial term; it is a geographical term.  Ms. Tseng
>(jjudy@ocf.berkeley.edu) is _way_ out of line in filing a racial harrassment
>complaint.
>
>The above statement is no more obnoxious than
>
>                   Look at that fat girl!

Umm... I think we're missing the point here.  There is one minor, but
essential nuance you're missing.  When those two balcony dwellers
screamed out, "Look at that Asian girl!" they most probably construed
that being "Asian" is part of belong to a "race."  Although your
dictionary definition might be correct, many still clump all Asians
together, on a _race_ basis.

And that, what is _meant_ by the offenders--rather than the literal
interpretations--is key to the incident.

Using your analogy, one could say, "Look at that black man!"  Taking this
literally, well, somebody's making a comment as to a person's skin
color.  But, if we look deeper, into what that somebody is thinking,
chances are we'll probably find some prejudice toward African-Americans.
Again, it is simply geographically based (not nationality-based), and the
speaker is not a lexicographer who knows that racism is associated
specifically with a country of origin, but regardless:  This is racist.

Jeff
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Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:38:44 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuck Michael Crichton
	<24683@alice.att.com>

Mr.JJ writes:

.

>In article <IfLfllW00iUyQ1S5MR@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Rikiya Asa
>no) writes:
>>Honky is not a word.
> 
>Sure fooled me.  It's as much a word as "hunky".
> 
>It means something entirely different.
> 
>Your derivation is nonsensical. 
> 
>Are you here only to start flames, or what, Asano?
>-- 
>Copyright alice!jj 1993, all rights reserved, except transmission by
USENET and
> like facilities granted. Said permission is granted only for complete
copies t
>hat include this notice. Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
>---------
>Member HASA - Athiest Scum Division
>"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - AuH2O for President
 
You should read me post more carefully! Obviously, you need an
education! No. starting flames for what. So, that you can show how
stttoooooopppiddd you are?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:39:57 GMT

In article <1jpc2gINNln@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>In article <ISBELL.93Jan22113659@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>>
>>Robert E Lee Day exists in 8 southern states (coincidently, I just saw
>>this on a calendar about a week ago) whose names I forget.  It's
>>actually absorbed by the MLK day, if you can stand the irony.  I
>>believe it fell on the 19th of Jan this year (that's a Tuesday)....
>>
>
>I'm kind of wondering...
>
>Is it actually observed, or is it something that has kind of faded
>over time? (I don't pay a lot of attention to calendars.)
>
>I've honestly never heard of it, but I'd have to agree that it
>should be done away with if it exists. It sounds pretty insen-
>sitive.
>
>-- Mike
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>My opinions - not my employer's

  But to some Southerners, Lincoln's Birthday is insensitive.  

  I think 30+ years ago, they refused to celebrate Lincoln's BD,
  so they had Robert E Lee Day.  Also I'm pretty sure that 25
  years ago, Washington's Birthday was by itself and celebrated
  by everyone.  I don't know when the melded Wash & Lincoln's
  birthday together in President's Day.  Maybe they had to
  get rid of some holidays to make room for new ones!

  Of course I have no first hand experience but remember reading
  about this in a Newsweek article on Arizona refusing to celebrate
  MLK's birthday!  
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>My opinions - not my employer's

  Me too.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Assimilate or Separate Re: Asian AM with African AF
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:42:12 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
  Demographically there will be no (super)culture by the middle of
  the next century.  All of us will become more or less multi-cultural.
  The kind of population mix I had growing up will be more of the norm
  in elementary schools everywhere.  Have you already noticed this
  demographical shift among elementary schools and daycare centers?
  I've already noticed this in the waiting room of the obstetrician
  office, approximately equal numbers of people of all races, well
  maybe I'm the only AA... but we're talking the Bronx here.

  White flight to suburbia will not work because there will be no
  place to hide (well maybe Utah...), but in any of the major cities
  there is a diverse collection of people from many cultures already.

The Prove-Orem area and Salt Lake City are quite diverse.  There
are quite a few Asians and a lot of Polynesians there.  BYU attracts
a lot of students from Asia, many of whom stay there after graduating.
The area also attracts Mormons from all over the world.  The Euros
would have to go to the rural areas of Utah to get away from the
non-Euros.  Idaho would be a better place for the Euros to get away.
Some have already gone there (Aryan Nation in Cour d'Alene).
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Please spell "Caucasian" correctly (was Re: My last word on ..."You be the Judge!")
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:49:05 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)


In article <1993Jan21.071546.19447@colorado.edu> Philip Pellouchoud,
pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu writes:
>
># days celebrating any specific american caucasions (or should I say
># caucasion americans, or american-ca to be politically correct!  :)
>
>Let's see, I DID say SPECIFIC caucasion americans, so i guess that
>rules out Presidents day, Christmas, Thanksgiving, St. Patricks Day, etc...

I can tolerate an occasional misspelling, but Mr. Pellouchoud did it in
more than one article.  Others used his misspelling in their responses.

Back to the subject of holidays commemorating Euro-Americans.  (I did not
say Caucasian-Americans because Asian Indians are technically Caucasian
and are not what is usually meant by Caucasian.)  If anyone, not
just Euros, want a Euro-American celebrated, then celebrate him/her.
If they want it officially recognized then lobby congress and state
legislatures.  Do you think the federal and state legislatures just
woke up one morning and said, "Hey, let's have an MLK Day."?  I am
more than 99% sure they did not come up with the idea themselves.


-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: rw@hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:10:36 GMT
Subject: Re: "Rising Sun" (was Re: Fuck Michael Crichton)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, England
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Martian-cu vs. Japanese-cu (was Re: Racial Harassment at Cal)
Keywords: Defiant? Yes.  Angry? Nah
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:59:09 GMT

In article <1jt71v$k81@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>btw, for those who know Japanese (the language) (Japanese-lan)
>is Kanji from the two words in Chinese-lan "Han" for the people
>in China (The Han) during the language development era and the
>word "Ji" for "word" in Chinese-lan?  Danke.

Yes, this is correct.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:08:33 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuck Michael Crichton
	<1jfvlu$tl@spool.mu.edu>

Mr. John Simms ( I use to know a person by this name. In fact he use to
live nextdoor to me. Him and this prositute. One day he try to get me to
come over his house so that he could teach me how to proform oral sex in
the "right way".
At the time, this was curious to me. So, I went.  And, he got on the bed
and begun to do this women. I also throw up! And, the instructions! Oh!
Take down those pictures! Corny!)writes:


Now! You go to a great school, in a great department! Why do you write garbage
like this. I have never lied to anyone in my life. Your a liar! The word
"honky"
is not in the dictionary(in terms of being a racial slur). Who are you
MIck's brother. Why don't you let Mr. Gavrin speak for his motherfucking
self. You have insulted me in the worst way. You are a dirty pig! To try
to give a postive association in the from of a lie. YOU LIAR! Here is
the LIE:

>Did you know that the word `honky' is in many dictionaries?

Not only are you a liar but you are a fool too! You think that because
I'm international student that my motherfuckin' head screws off and on.
Get a life, you pig! Don't you ever lie to me again fool! Now, here is
what I'm gonna do. To set a great example( and, because you have a
saxophone playin' President but that's alright the Japanese will elect a
Prime Minister who can play the bass) I'm going to act like this little
thing didn't even happen. And, to put my money where my mouth is I'm
going to give a little lesson called-

The Origin of Honky.

(First of all this is not what you think its going to be. This is ligit.)

Honky is not a word. Hunky is the correct intended spelling. And, it was
meant to denote immgrants from Eastern Europe. Especially, Croatia.
When, these humans
came to work in the steel industries in the east of the United States.
They were called this by other "white" people. Since, of the economic
evils of democrary, the Black Person and the Eastern European live in
the same neigborhoods and at the time Blacks were mistreated by most
white people- Honky was the term and this is how it came about. I would
never call every by this name. And, because of the face that Western
Europe has shown to Eastern European even to this day by not including
Eastern European in the european community and generally turning away
from "Another Great Ethnic Cleazing- I am in conflict to the European
Common Market. It will never get off of the ground!(in idea and faith)
( which is all I need actually for them)

So, Mr. Simms, you should write a letter to the provost of your university and
 say, "Get offa Yo' ass and teach me something!" of thing to that
effect. I hpoe that your next post will be more educating. This one was
shit!  





Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11820 ucb.general:208
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:35:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan20.151728.7585@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare
Chu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.020824.23234@colorado.edu>
>pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>>Not to ruffle any feathers, but here's an interesting point that a
>cohort
>>brought up to me at work.  We have MLK day, but we don't have any
>>days celebrating any specific american caucasions (or should I say
>>caucasion americans, or american-ca to be politically correct!  :)
>>We have Columbus, who I suppose we could give honorary citizenship,
>>but he was really an Italian, and not only that, but the AIM
>organization
>>is trying to get that one abolished.
>>
>>So what's the deal?  Yeah, we've got Lincolns birthday, and
>Washingtons
>>birthday, but no one celebrates those.  Schools aren't closed (at
>least
>>most!), most businesses aren't closed, etc...  What's the story here?
>>I mean we certainly have plenty of caucasion americans to
>"celebrate."
>>Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, etc...  But we
>don't
>>none of them have their own celebrated/nationally recognized holiday?
>>Help me out fellow netters, what's the deal?
>

Wrong, Presidents day is a *NATIONAL HOLIDAY* schools & post offices
are closed.

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