HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clweimer@eastrg1.cray.com (Christine Weimer)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:51:47 CST

In article <1993Jan21.014624.22521@samba.oit.unc.edu>, czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.195324.15848@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
|> 
|> >it's been an awfully long 12 years and I'm very, very
|> >pleased that we finally ran the criminals out of the White
|> >House.
|> 
|> i can't even remember when there weren't criminals in the white house, as
|> i was only 6 when Reagan was inaugurated.
|> 
|> *pout*
|> 
|> season, always made to feel so young on the net
|> 
|> Season Taylor

Hiya Season...I think I know a friend of yours - Marti?

It was really cool to see someone I sorta *know* in
this group.  Made me wanna become an ex-muffin.

Christine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:46:16 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>>I have the honour to remain
>>your obedient servant.

>Boundless JOY! I've heard a thing or two about you...

If you think I experience joy from being bound less, 
you've obviously been hearing the wrong things.  :)
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k++s-e++   | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
Newsgroups: soc.motss,sci.med
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: condom ratings
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:12:20 GMT


Help!  Somewhere I remeber seeing a study of condom reliability and
ratings for them but now I don't recall the source.

Does anyone remember this study and where the results were published?

   e-mail to save bandwidth  --- unless there is a general interest.

   PLEASE BE AWARE OF CROSS-POST.   Thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Canines and Felines (was Re: Smoke in gay bars)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:37:50 GMT


In article <18460@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick
Washbrook) himself a bit of a fox, writes, wolfishly:

>Ah, well, that's dog owners for you, isn't it?  I mean,
>doesn't the very word itself encapsulate that essence of the
>creature: D-O-G.  Dog-tired.  Throw a ball, it brings it
>back to you.  Throw the ball, it comes back.  Throw.  Back.
>Throw.  Back.  Throwback.  Happy creatures, dumb as a stick.
>Drooling constantly.  Will run after cars as soon as look at
>one.  What greater symbol of the Republican regime could we
>ask for--dumb loyalty.  Good boy, Ollie, here's your bone.

Oh honey, what you said!  Now you'll get sacks of dog-dooey
in the mail.  (I loved the 'throwback' lead-in; that was
great!)

On the other hand, I've known some dog people that I really
liked.  My incredibly gorgeous neighbor Stuart across the
street has a dog that's half collie and half husky.  She is
really a pretty dog, and she adores me.  Of course, she's
not *real* bright, so maybe I shouldn't be too flattered.
And lemme tell ya, Stuart is not about to get a reading test
from me; if he adores me, that will be just fine (he does,
by the way, we've just celebrated ten years of being
friends).  Not bad for a straight boy.

I think dogs are right to chase cars, by the way.  Cars are
really bad things, and they *should* be chased.  Have you
noticed how well it works?  Most cars that get chased go
away.

>Cat-lovers are a different breed entirely, and--though the
>media won't stress it too strongly--having Socks the cat in
>the White House instead of that dumb mutt (I mean Millie,
>not Georgie) is the most significant change in consciousness
>in this whole circus show.  Hedonistic, independent,
>self-interested, sneaking out for the catnip to get
>righteously stoned (but don't inhale, ok,) but *very*
>environmentally aware--yes, things are looking up.

I'd only admit it here, where nobody's listening, and I
really disapprove of single-issue politics, but actually I
voted for Socks, not Bill.  If only I could get Stuart to
sneak over here (he'd have to, I think Barb would not
approve) and get stoned and we could meow-mix it up a
little, oh baby.  My kitty attacks him, which is something I
would like to do m'self.  She has taste.  He was a varsity
gymnast here.

<> Sleepers, awake.  Sleep is separateness; the cave of
<> solitude is the cave of dreams, the cave of the passive
<> spectator.  To be awake is to participate, carnally and
<> not in fantasy, in the feast; the great communion.
<> -- N.O. Brown
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lof@pepper.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: L'GASP
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 23 JAN 93 20:46:25 CST

L'GASP (Lesbian/Gay Audiologists and Speech/Language
Pathologists) is a recognized organization by the
American Speech/Language/Hearing Association.  If
you would like more information, or could let
your friends who are GLB and speech pathologists
and/or audiologists know about our group, please
respond.  Thanks!

Gregg Lof
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Gay Military ban Action
Summary:  NY's junior Senator
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:30:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.073038.13104@mic.ucla.edu> cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones) writes:
>The voice number for the Senate is (202) 224-3121.  Ask for your senator.

To my utter astonishment, Al Damato (Senator Sleaze, the NY Republican),
spoke up AGAINST the ban! I must call and reinforce this uncharacteristic
virtue!
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:23:37 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1993Jan26.152523.17237@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>I got this information from Laura Arnold:
>
>State                 Senator                Phone        Fax
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Alabama               Heflin                  4124
>                      Shelby                  5744        3416
>[49 other states deleted]

I deeply appreciate the trouble you went through to provide this
information to us.  Alas I am at a loss to understand how to fax
something to "3416".  Obviously this is the last part of a larger
phone number which is unknown to me.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: milr@quads.uchicago.edu (mark ryan miller)
Subject: Re: G&L MILITARY BAN: Call the White House NOW!
Reply-To: milr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:40:32 GMT

Well, we can not afford to be sure that the congress will let
the president lift the ban.  It could be a big mistake if we sit
back and just assume that everything will be OK.  That's not how
civil rights were one in the 60's.  Not to discount all the work
people have already done.  The rest of us, (me too) have to 
get off our duffs.

I have *never* called a Congressman, Senator, etc., even though
I am out.  I get nervous when I call someone like this, don't know
what to say. 

But today I did my share and called:
	General Powell
	Les Aspin
	Senator Arlen Specter (PA)
	Pentagon Public Affairs office

Haven't reached the White House yet.

But I have to point out that I not an "activist" but feel very
strongly that we not be making assumptions about what Congress
will and won't do.  We have a lot of people against us.

Thanks to everyone who has called.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Jon Secada
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:57:13 GMT

In article <93025.212956REC8@psuvm.psu.edu> REC8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Does anyone know what Jon Secada's professed sexual orientation is?  For some r
>eason I think he's married but I'm not sure.

Married is a sexual orientation now?  My goodness ...

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
Subject: Re: Hoovering (was Re: Tim Chain Porn)
Reply-To: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: not
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:29:04 +0000

In article <1993Jan24.061350.854@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> >>There is a whole generation of 20-something computer
> >>hackers that have never seen a VAX.
> 
> >I'm twenty-something and I know what a VAX is -- it's a
> >combined carpet shampoo-er and vacuum cleaner!  I've got
> >one.  :-)
> 
> Take it from one who's seen him doing it, he's the very
> model of domesticity when he's doing his hoovering.  And
> (dare I say it?) quite adorable, too.
> 

Well....  Thank you very much Jess.  You mustn't omit to mention my colour-
co-ordinated loo-brushes either.

BTW, do I detect a little joke at my expense for using "hoover(tm)" as a
verb?

=== Graeme :-)
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Challenge: Documentation of Nonpromiscuity
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:55:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Well, it's half-way through the week, and nobody can document any statistics
that gays as a group have fewer sexual partners than heterosexuals. We do hav
a few people who have few partners, but that's not a controlled study.

On Asian gays, I never said Asian gays get laid less. I said Asians get less
gay sex, which really means there are fewer Asian gays. Most surveys I've see
show Asian gays have the same HIV+ rate as other gays. Given the lower rate
of AIDS, that can only mean fewer gays in the Asian population.

Hey, if promiscuity isn't bad, why bother denying it? Can't have it both ways
Either it's good, and you should have lots of it, or it's bad and there's
a limit to how much you should have.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:37:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.161017.22398@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.014624.22521@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
>czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>
>>i can't even remember when there weren't criminals in the white house, as
>>i was only 6 when Reagan was inaugurated.
>
>I was 8.

My goodness.  I didn't expect to start feeling old so soon.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Audrey (and Katharine)
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:27:07 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <1jr4iqINNdhv@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>Oh.  I just never think "great actress" and "Katharine Hepburn"
>at the same time.  "Great movie star", yes, but not "great
>actress".
>
>Ar-achoo-ne

Probably because you never watched "Suddenly last summer" 

--rosario




--
Rosario Gennaro                     Laboratory for Computer Science      
rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu          Massachusetts Institute of Technology
gennaro@athena.mit.edu              Cambridge MA 02139

  "... la tua loquela ti fa manifesto di quella nobil patria natio ..."
                                          Inf. X
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: what i did over xmas vacation, etc.\
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:11:17 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

Ailsa, the only thing that gets me worried after your first post in
this thread, is the fear that we are going to lose your voice to
soc.bi. I think there is no way a human being could cope with reading
the volume of both newsgroups.

So you sleep with men. So do I.

No. Putting it like that is too simplistic and trivializes what you are
going through.

Ok, let's say something else, then.

- I love your voice here.

- Queer is a state of persona, not just of sexual identity.

- I can empathize to what you are going through, it must be very hard
to be so entrenched as we are made by a culture that regards us as
freaks, build up pride based on that, and then feel like you `have to
go back' to straight society and leave the people you have built our
pride with.

But that is not what is happening here, amiga. You are finding - or is
it rediscovering? - new parts to yourself. Enjoy the discovery.
Personally, I don't consider you to be less a lesbian, just more
straight.

- And it really shouldn't matter.
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams)
Subject: Re: "No Wavering on Gay Soldiers"
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
X-Political-Statement: Bigotry is not a family value -- boycott Colorado, think twice about Oregon, watch out for Ohio and Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:47:56 GMT

In a CBS newsblurb this afternoon, the newsperson reported that Clinton
was planning to issue his "gays in the military" executive order
within the next week.


--
Michael D. Adams	      | Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not
StarOwl@uiuc.edu	      | for themselves.  -- Abraham Lincoln
an692@anon.penet.fi	      | We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting
NBCS: B1f+t-w+g+k++s+me+h-qv  | it at home.  -- Edward R. Murrow		
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:47:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.073137.3165@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <727818919snx@drummond.demon.co.uk>
>john@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>>When I were a lad, we used to program computers by tapping
>>on the side of the mercury delay lines with a pencil.  
>
>>Punching object decks?  We'd have *killed* for a handpunch.
>>They were for rich folks.
>
>>But if you told young people that today, they wouldn't
>>believe you... 
>
>Oh you young whippersnappers are *so* spoiled.  At least
>your widgies were electrical.  We used Marchant and Monroe
>calculators, which were electrical only in the sense that
>you didn't have to turn the crank yourself (though we had a
>couple of those lying around).
>
>But at least the steel-nib pen had been invented by the time
>I got to college.

Yes, but you DID spend a lot of time making your own ink and paper.


Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Question? Military Ban
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:00:19 GMT

jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958) writes:
>	The  military  is one of the last  bastions  of  bigotry in this
>	country.  (that is, aside from a lot of religions) If we can get
>	this  issue  resolved,  I feel that we will  have  come one step
>	closer to gaining rights in other areas.

	AAUGH!

	To be blunt the military is just one of thousands of
bastions of bigotry in this country.  Maybe millions.  IT may be 
a large one, but it is far from the "one of the last".

BBC
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58985 alt.politics.homosexuality:10459
From: SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: re: Conservative Senator Sen. D'Amato...
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:20:52 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <GORDON.93Jan26180740@lugh.think.com>,
gordon@lugh.think.com (gordon linoff) writes:

>Dow Jones News Service reported that not all Republican are
>supporting the ban.  In fact, Sen. D'Amato announced on the
>Senate floor that he supports Clinton's efforts to lift the
>ban.

You mean it really happened!!!

I thought I saw the D'Amato film clip on CNN and decided it had just been
a near-death experience.   Oh well, the snapper was nice anyway.

Jack Carroll
From: - (r)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Mitch Gaylord
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:53:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: rib.--250193155728
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: world
Organization: -
NNTP-Posting-Host: rib.engin.umich.edu


I was reading an old Advocate interview with actor Scott Valentine last
fall.
Valentine was very frank.  He joked about a NAtional Enquirer article in
which
he it was claimed that he and gymnast Mitch Gaylord were lovers.
Valentine denied it, but it got me thinking.  What is Gaylord doing now, is
he gay, and are there any gymnasts who are out?
Thanks for the information.

RR
From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sexual harassment from queers
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:43:24 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

	I have a question for those in the soc.motss world: Have any of you
ever experienced sexual harassment from another queer.  I have a number of
times, and my girlfriend is currently dealing with a similar issue with one of
her PROFESSORS.  Why does no one talk about this?  I don't think she and I are
the only ones victim to this. What do you think?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: The Trade Descriptions Act
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:27:43 GMT

From the pages of ff Magazine:

This is the sort of act that simply can't be followed - at least, not
without a cypher to help you break the code. ff has compiled
a guide to help you unravel the truth that lies behind the
euphemisms littering the personal columns of most magazines.

Although the guide is not essential for ff personal classified
(when our readers want to sock cock they don't offer to 'relieve
executive stress'), it may be useful to keep for future reference.

            HOPEFUL LIE : THE REAL TRUTH
-------------------------------------------
     Great Personality   Ugly as sin
                Lively   Speed Freak
           Uninhibited   Hopeless alcoholic
                 Quiet   Manic depressive
        Not into scene   Agoraphobic
              Commited   Psychotic
 Painter and Decorator   Interior designer
              Creative   Window dresser
         Manual worker   Wanker
       Straight acting   Wimpish clone
      Straight looking   Naff dresser
        Many interests   Schizophrenic
                A.L.A.   Desperate for a fuck
    Seeks solvent guys   Gold digger
              Skinhead   Bald
                Active   Suffers from piles
              Romantic   Small cock
                   Lad   Twenty
          Boyish/young   Over twenty
        Early twenties   Over thirty
        Early thirties   Over forty
       Thirtysomething   Over fifty
            Mature guy   Over sixty
     Enjoys eating out   Overweight
                Cuddly   Grossly obese
Large selection of toys   Impotent
     Fed up with scene   Hasn't had sex in years
   Enjoys theatre/arts   Extremely camp
   Seeks father figure   Oedipal complex
      Hot leather stud   Vegan social worker
     Multi-dimensional   Acid head
             FF reader   Hung, hot and horny hunk
                Virgin   Anally retentive
       Enjoys wildlife   Bestialist

----- ff Magazine is a UK 'zine bar rag throwaway filled with very
politically incorrect and offensive but occasionally amusing
nastiness, and lots of personal ads which are tributes to the talents
of the writing staff. 

BTW A.L.A. - all letters answered, and naff - nerdy.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:20:24 GMT

In article <NFitch-200193165921@clinical-mac76-106.ucsd.edu>, NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>
>And Siddig El Fadil from ST:DS9 is really cute - though not as cute as Wil
>Wheaton of course.

Hm... maybe, but his character is a bit too slow on the uptake for my
tastes... (he couldn't figure out that the Cardassian wanted him in his
shop for reasons OTHER than buying a suit?) seems a bit lacking in
knowledge/understanding of subtle social nuances (though not quite as
bad as Data)

-----
sss / Princeton University Class of 1994 / Department of Computer Science
Please be considerate, and don't talk during the show!  (SSSSSSHHH!)
Thank you for coming to Loews!  Sit back and relax -- enjoy the show!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:23:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <RHAYDEN.93Jan27131857@hqsun2.oracle.com> 
rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:

> I agree -- Arne is giving VERY bad advice here, by projecting his
> situation on the rest of the world.  Before giving advice, you always
> stop and put it in the context of the other person.

Oy.  In the year and a half I've been reading soc.motss
everyone has always treated the issue of coming out so
gingerly that it sets my teeth on edge. 

> A common scenario:  Person joins gay-rights march for the first time,
> gets very excited and decides to stop hiding anymore.  Runs to a
> payphone and calls mom, "Hi mom, I'm gay!"  Mom reacts in disgust and
> bans him from the family.

Yes, and?  Families kick out/ban their lesbigay children
all the time, without regard to the manner in which the
children have come out to them.

> Person is brought down EXTREMELY hard and goes from elation to
> depression in 0.5 seconds, making future emotional problems quite
> possible.  Certainly, because no groundwork was layed, it'll be a long
> time, if ever, before this person can deal with his family in a
> rational manner.

And sometimes the family can never be dealt with in
a rational manner.  Would you like to talk to my
parents some day?

> [ ... ]  In the
> end, it was really MY problems that kept me from coming out sooner,
> but my friends have no way of knowing that.

And the more you hide, the more you treat being lesbigay as
a BIG DEAL, the worse it gets.  I really think lesbigay people
would be better off knowing the worst about their friends and
family from the very beginning: it gives you that much more
time to make new, supportive friends and to construct a new,
supportive family for yourself.

> I can't say what to do if they react badly, because I haven't really
> experienced that.

"I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that I'm gay.  Why don't
you give me a call after you've grown up.  Until then, have
a good life."

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss