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From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM * BOOK HELP!
Organization: The World
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:58:53 GMT


From: vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti)
>Well, I am a student working as system administrator for my University.
>I live in Italy and I have toi afford lots of expenses for my join to
>the USENIX symposium. I am not able to consider your finenesses about
>USENIX: I do not get any money from my University and the money I spend
>is my own money (plus a very kind refund by the USENIX organization itself).
>So the Sheraton is definitely too expensive for me. Sorry.

David,

That is fine, that really isn't our point. All we are trying to point
out is that, all things being equal, it helps Usenix put on these
shows if you stay in the conference hotel since we have to promise
room blocks to reserve space for attendees, and the larger the room
blocks we promise and actually fill the more the hotel reduces our
other expenses (e.g. for meeting room space.) This ultimately is
reflected in member benefits and conference fees etc.

But we don't expect anyone to hurt themselves doing this, it's more a
matter of a situation where you were going to spend a similar amount
on a room nearby for perhaps some less important reason, we just ask
you consider that our organization (it is a membership organization)
does derive some benefit from people staying at the main hotel, and
this helps us keep prices down etc. We just wanted people to be aware
of this, I am sure many thought it didn't matter to Usenix where an
attendee stayed.

But if you are in a situation where you are a student or whatever
please don't pay it any mind. It's more important to us that you show
up at all, getting you the information you need is the real point of
this exercise, everything else is merely details and suggestions.

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From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM * BOOK HELP!
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:27:47 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein):
:All this is true...however...I get a per diem rate of $78 for hotels
:in Baltimore (this is true of many others, I know).  The conference
:rate at the Sheraton hotel is $120 (approximately), plus about 10% tax.

One person mentioned sharing a room to reduce the costs, which seems
like a better idea than not being able to go at all.

Here's a really crazy thought: do you have a per diem on conference or
tutorial fees?  If we raised the conference fees $50 and put the money
into a $10/day discount of rooms, would this make it easier to stay at
the conference hotel?

--tom

-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
: 1.  What is the possibility of this being added in the future?
In the near future, the probability is close to zero.  In the distant
future, I'll be dead, and posterity can do whatever they like...  :-) --lwall
From: carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: July/August ;login:
Keywords: USENIX Association
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:09:12 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley


   Most members should have recently received the July/August 
   issue of ;login:.  Please check to make sure that all the
   the pages are in sequence.  We have learned that there was
   a problem with some copies at the bindery, and want to make 
   sure everyone has a good copy.

   Please send your request for a replacement to office@usenix.org. 

   Thank you.

   Carolyn S. Carr
   Managing Editor, ;login:



Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM * BOOK HELP!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:38:27 GMT

epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) wrote: 
->....  Especially in
->this economic client, I'd like to see USENIX (and other conferences) put
->some effort into lower priced hotels.

umm, part of this is "you get what you pay for."  "lower-priced
hotels" don't usually have the facilities required to host a
successful conference.  there's already enough in the way of
complaints about how service didn't work out like some had hoped (and
this comes from "full-service" hotels) ... 

i think the folks who organize usenix conferences do a pretty stellar
job ... your low per-diem is only part of the picture.

->To get back to the original question which prompted Ellie's comments,
->I don't believe there are any decent hotels in downtown Baltimore for
->significantly less than the Sheraton.

i'd be surprised if this was true.  don't you folks have decent travel
agents?

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: HOTEL COSTS 2 (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:08:21 GMT

feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:

>But on to THE MAIN POINT (as far as USENIX is probably concerned):  It
>doesn't make any difference with respect to the total room count whether
>I share someone else's room at the official conference, "El Grando Inn" or
>have my own room 4 blocks away at the "Ho Hum Lodge."  (unless the
>prospecive sharee has to move out of the the Inn, because he just couldn't
>find another sharer, but I doubt that that possible secondary effect is
>really significant)

That certianly isn't the point I was trying to make.  If only one
person stays outside the hotel, you are correct.  If *two* people who
would otherwise stay outside the hotel link up and share a room in the
hotel, it is a net gain for USENIX.  There is a newsgroup for that very
purpose, comp.org.usenix.roomshare.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: rouilj@dl5000.bc.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix.roomshare
Subject: Looking for roommate for LISA in October.
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:29:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


I am looking for a roommate for the LISA conference in Long Beach.

I would prefer a non-smoker, but I'll take what I can get.

-- John
From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: HOTEL COSTS 2 (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:38:07 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.202747.7739@news.eng.convex.com>, tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>|> 
>|> Here's a really crazy thought:
>|> If we raised the conference fees $50 and put the money
>|> into a $10/day discount of rooms, would this make it easier to stay at
>|> the conference hotel?

>Tom:  yes-Yes-YES!!!  Great Idea!!!
>It's not clear that Pat and Henry got the main points that Jeremy and
>I were making.  The main point is that while the Government (and many
>businesses too, I gather) will spend lavishly for some things, luxurious
>accomodations for employees are not one.

>I know this isn't enough to convince those people who haven't personally
>had to deal with a rigid, arbitrary, and capricious travel claims office,
>but they should really reserve judegment.


On the other hand, those of us with different rigid policies and 
bureaucracies (and the gov't has *nothing* on the Ivy Leauge, believe
me!), would find it *much* harder to fork over an extra $50-$100 for
conference fees just to get money off room rates (which we _can_ control,
by sharing rooms).  So, damned if you do...

Is there really a prohibition against sharing rooms on gov't travel?
As I remember from the Bad Old Days when I was working for defense
contractors, we were pretty much _required_ to share, if possible, to
keep costs down.  



--
Pat Wilson
Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu
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From: carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.org.uniforum,comp.org.sug,comp.os.misc,comp.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.large
Subject: HOTEL INFORMATION for USENIX System Administration Conference
Keywords: USENIX Association
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:05:32 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley


          USENIX SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION CONFERENCE (LISA VI)
		      October 19-23, 1992

                       HOTEL INFORMATION


The Sheraton Long Beach will be the location for the Conference. The
hotel is conveniently located to many exciting attractions in Southern
California. Enjoy the picturesque waterfront atmosphere of Shoreline
Village, or sail away to Catalina Island, just 26 miles across the sea.
Escape to Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm, the Spruce Goose or Queen Mary.  
HOTEL ADDRESS:
Sheraton Long Beach at Shoreline Square
333 East Ocean Boulevard
Long Beach, California 90802
Telephone (310) 436-3000
FAX # (310) 436-9176

ROOM RATES
$89 Single or Double Occupancy
(Plus local tax, currently 10%)

TO MAKE  YOUR HOTEL RESERVATION

Special hotel rates have been arranged for USENIX attendees. Call the
hotel directly and ask for the Reservation Desk.  To take advantage of
our group rate, tell reservations that you are a USENIX Conference
attendee.  A one night's deposit is required if your arrival time will
be after 4:00pm.  You also may fax your hotel reservation information
to the Sheraton.

IMPORTANT!  Room reservation deadline is September 28, 1992.  Requests
for reservations received after the deadline will be handled on a space
available basis.


FOR FURTHER CONFERENCE INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT:
USENIX Conference Office 
22672 Lambert St., Suite 613 , El Toro, CA 92630
Telephone (714) 588-8649    FAX (714) 588-9706
Electronic Mail Address: conference@usenix.org
Office Hours: 8:30am - 5:00pm Pacific Time
From: berry@athos.pei.com (Berry Kercheval)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: HOTEL COSTS (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:25:56 GMT
	<1992Aug25.145110.16272@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Reply-To: berry@pei.com
Organization: Protocol Engines, Inc., Mt. View, California

>>>>> On 25 Aug 92 14:51:10 GMT, paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) said:
>In article <709@trwacs.fp.trw.com>, epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:
>|> All this is true...however...I get a per diem rate of $78 for hotels
>|> in Baltimore (this is true of many others, I know).  

Pat> Might I suggest that you look, then, for a room to share with someone
Pat> else?  The incremental cost of a double vs. a single usually puts it
Pat> within reach of most gov't limits.

Some government entities may not be able to deal with this, though.  

Another alternative (that I previously mentioned to Jeremy in e-mail)
is that Federal travel rules have a loophoole here.  IF you are
attending a conference AND you stay in the conference hotel THEN you
can get a waiver of the per diem limit.  If you don't stay in the
conference hotel or you are on some other kind of business (visiting a
contractor, field work, whatever) then no dice.  

I did this several times when I was working for Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory.  Federal employees, check with your travel office
to see if this "loophole" still applies.  Make them look it up; don't
just let them say 'no'; they may not want to go to the effort.  (We
had a wizardess for a travel officer in my department, which is how I
found out about it...)

  --berry

--
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"Car pool fatigue: it's like shell shock, but you don't get any VA benefits.
They just fill your gas tank and send you back to the front."
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti)
Subject: Re: UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM * BOOK HELP!
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:43:45 GMT

In <1176@usenix.ORG> ellie@usenix.ORG (Ellie Young) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.093236.5182@ghost.dsi.unimi.it>, vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti) writes:
>
>> Please help me. I will join the Symposium and I would like having a list
>> of the available hotels in Baltimores, in order to book a room from Italy.
>> I would prefer hotels cheaper than the Sheraton, any hint will be higtly
>> appreciated!
>> 
>
>Dear David,
>
>As stated in our recent postings to this newsgroup, most of
>hotels located in the nearby area of the Security Symposium's
>headquarters hotel the Sheraton) are sold out.   The Association 
>would very much like to urge you  and other attendees to stay at 
>the the symposium's headquarters (Shearton), for the following reason:
>
[reasons explained]

Well, I am a student working as system administrator for my University.
I live in Italy and I have toi afford lots of expenses for my join to
the USENIX symposium. I am not able to consider your finenesses about
USENIX: I do not get any money from my University and the money I spend
is my own money (plus a very kind refund by the USENIX organization itself).
So the Sheraton is definitely too expensive for me. Sorry.

Ciao,	David
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: mark@drd.com (Resident.Alien)
Subject: ;login: v17n4
Organization: DRD Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:26:25 GMT

For Rob Kolstad and other contributers to the most recent issue of
;login:, 

Congrats on another fine job.  And thanks for the attentiveness to
detail (return of the ill-fated semi-colon in the title;  v17n3 will no
doubt be a valuable collectors item someday in the future :).

The reports from the conferences are a welcome addition.  Rich and Peter
did a fine job conveying the essence of what makes USENIX do's _fun_ in
addition to informative.


mark@drd.com (#7 in frequency of occurence according to zwicky@erg.sri.com)
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Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: Whither SAGE?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:14:09 GMT

>My question is, why the association between USENIX and SAGE at all?
Keeping the connection is a good thing.

Can't join ACM sigs without being an ACM member.
	/r$
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Whither SAGE?
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 22:10:28 GMT

FYI, scs@iti.org == scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us

tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:

>Hmm, USENIX pays for members of the USENIX board to come to USENIX
>board meetings.

>It would seem fair for SAGE Board Members to also have their
>out-of-pocket expenses picked up.  Perhaps phased in over a few years?
>And only after a SAGE Board is elected.

>It's a small consideration for the substantial amount of time it takes
>to run an organization.

USENIX has thousands of paying members at $165 per, SAGE has hundreds
at $25 per.  Seven board members times four meetings per year would
break the SAGE bank instantly.  In informal discussions, we feels the
SAGE board meetings should be held at the two USENIXes, LISA, and
possibly the new sysadmin conference in spring.  Most board candidates
I know of already attend at least two and sometimes three of these on
their employers funding.  Thus the incremental cost isn't as bad as it
could be.  I'm paying for LISA out of my own pocket this year, and it's
amazing how much money you can save if you really work at it.  :-)

>I suspect this is one of those "corporate" matters, that Steve
>mentioned SAGE and USENIX are talking about.

Yes.
-- 
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  members of it who are dead."
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: delahunt@adobe.com (Jim DeLaHunt)
Subject: Re: Unicode and ligatures (was Re: font encoding morass)
Summary: You're missing the point of Unicode
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:06:59 GMT

As I read this thread I shake my head.  You are missing the point of Unicode.

	Unicode encodes meaning, for the purpose of plain-text
	interchange between computers.  Formatting, including fonts
	and ligatures, is beyond the scope of Unicode.

This principle has been battered by the politics of standardisation, but it
still remains largely intact.

I encourage you to read the spec ("The Unicode Standard: Worldwide Character
Encoding, version 1.0, volume 1").  There is a very clear explanation in 
the first twenty pages of what sort of things were included and omitted.

Since Unicode is for plain text and excludes formatting issues, it obviously
doesn't solve problems of typography.  Don't expect it to.  There are
solutions to problems of typography -- Apple's Line Layout Manager is
one proposal.

Here are some answers to questions I've heard in this thread:
  * Why isn't (fill in your ligature here) included in Unicode?
    Because ligatures aren't required for plain text.  The rendering
    process should substitute ligatures.
  * Why are Roman numerals included?
    Because they are part of existing character sets, e.g. for the
    NEC PC in Japan.  Unicode defines sufficient code points to allow
    round-trip conversion between Unicode and most current encoding 
    standards.
  * Why aren't old-style numerals given seperate code points?
    Because the choice of numeral glyph is a formatting question.  Who
    says the only formatting attributes are bold, italic, and underline?
    Why can't "with old-style numerals where possible" or "with ligature
    substitution" be attributes?
  * Why are Zapf Dingbats encoded?
    They are dingbats, but with such wide usefulness and support it was worth
    adding them to the character set, I guess.  A judgement call.
  * Why is [XYZ clearly inappropriate glyph] included?
    The spec has come through a grueling and political approval process.
    Consider it an inveitable, but minor, flaw.  Don't be distracted.

The distinction between character and glyph, between interchange and 
formatting, is subtle but real.  It took me a while to absorb.  I urge
you, if you haven't read the Unicode standard and seen an Apple Line Layout
Manager demo, ask yourself if you really understand what they intend.

[Disclaimer:  I don't speak for Unicode Inc. or Apple.  Or Adobe, even.]

	--Jim DeLaHunt, Developer Support, Adobe Systems Incorporated	
delahunt@adobe.com	...!{apple,decwrl}!adobe!delahunt      +1-415-962-3790
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: FAQ Request...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:55:09 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Is someone maintaining a FAQ for comp.fonts? If so, could you
please post it? If not, then I wouldn't mind knowing the most
popular ftp sites for Windows 3.x fonts (TrueType).

Thanks.
-- 
                                                          ...RICHARD*design...
                                                          ....Antony R Hare...
                                                          ........President...
                                                          ..whare@ac.dal.ca...

                                                          ..image is almost...
                                                          .......everything...
From: yefchak@hplred.HP.COM (George Yefchak)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:28:30 GMT
Subject: TrueType to Adobe?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts

How can I convert a Windows TrueType font to a regular (Adobe?) font?
Thanks,
George Yefchak  yefchak@hpl-spin.hpl.hp.com

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Re: Coca-Cola font request
Summary: umich
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:02:59 GMT


Great!!  How about uploading the Coca-Cola font to archive.umich.edu ??
					Mucho thanxz.
						ckile
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Subject: Re: Design advice: Optima & Bookman?
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:05:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.185228.21277@coli.uni-sb.de>, ulma@coli.uni-sb.de
(Ulrich Mayring) wrote:
> 
> tpb21243@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BRAUER ) writes:
> 
> >There's a book called TYPEStyle that is very good. Concerning Optima
> >it suggests any on the following:
> >   Activa, Baskerville, Bodini, Century Schoolbook, 
> >   Bitstream Cooper, Dutch, ITC Galliard, ITC Garamond, Goudy Old Style,
> >   Zapf Calligraphic, Zapf Ellipitical, and Zurich.
> 
> >Hope thuis help.
> 
> Not much, actually, cause the good book lists just about every variety of
> font around. Zurich is Helvetica and Zapf Calligraphic (correct me if I'm
> wrong) is Zapf Chancery.
>      Ulrich Mayring

Zaph Calligraphic (correct me if I'm wrong 8-)) is Palatino, not Zapf
Chancery. 

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: Janson for Sun	
Keywords: Sun Janson font
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:35:10 GMT

kathy@rs.com writes:
>We have been searching high and low for a Janson font
>(and Janson small caps) for the Sun. I even had someone
>at Sun try to tell me that fonts are hardware:-) :-(
>(And don't even ask what Adobe said!)

There is a CD/ROM of F3 fonts available from SunPics or SunSoft; it
is supposed to be included in NeWSPrint version 2.; I have no idea how
much it costs, as the Sun sales person I spoke to didn't know a font
from something you'd find in a church :-)

You could also try both the English Monotype Font Company and Linotype,
both of whom supply F3 fonts.

In Toronto, you could call the Font Shop.

Lee

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From: stefano@ecf.toronto.edu (Bruno Di Stefano)
Subject: Japanese fonts (Kanji)
Keywords:  Kanji Japanese 16x16 24x24 32x32 Fontss
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:27:29 GMT


I am looking for a set of Kanji fonts meeting JIS level 2 (format 16x16,
24x24, 32x32), possibly public domain. I currently have the 16x16 font
which comes with moke. Any help will be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Bruno


Bruno Di Stefano
stefano@ecf.toronto.edu		(course related matters)
bruno@ecf.toronto.edu		(professional matters)
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From: HRL@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: HP LaserJet + Fonts?
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:44:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Subject wanted...Howard