HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Fmaily leave (was: ...so little vacation time?)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 13:16:45 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>And, young married women might find it a bit harder to find a job.

   Spoken like a true sexist.  As a young married male who has a job
which provides for family leave, I intend to take full advantage of
it when the time comes.  Why would being female make a difference?
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:09:25 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

keith@rss.dl.nec.com (Keith Becker) writes:
> I'm with Mike Sellers that the Northwest is tops. I lived there most of my
> life before taking a job here in Dallas, TX. Now after four years I'd like
> to move back. I'd rank the Portland metro area as #1. 

Thanks, Keith.  It occurs to me that maybe we shouldn't have let the secret
out.  Too late now, I suppose, but maybe no one else here will believe us. :-)

On the down side of the PNW area are two factors: First, while there are
several major hi-tech companies in that area (Tektronix, Mentor Graphics,
Sequent, HP, Intel, and a bunch of smaller ones in Oregon, and Boeing, 
Microsoft and a zillion others in Washington), it can be very difficult
to find a job there.  The Portland market "feels" small.  Second, there's
the weather.  It drizzles in the PNW from about late September to April or
May.  Sometimes there's snow in the winter, but there's always week after
week of lead gray skies.  The springs and summers are like something out 
of Eden, though, and the autumns are beautiful, though there are so many
evergreens you don't get the amazing colors like you do out east.  

> I'm looking into the Boise, Idaho area right now. It's nice there, too. 
> Anyone have opinions on Boise?

Well, it's basically in the intermountain desert.  It gets cold in the
winter by anyone's standards, and the summers broil at well over 100 F
on many days.  It's also out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking.
SLC is several (6?) hours to the south, Pocatello, I think, to the east
(as well as all of Montana :-) ), and Portland 8 hours to the west.  
I don't know what the jobs are like there, and I think the cost of living
is pretty low, like most of the rest of the intermountain region.

I have friends who really like it there, of course, but they grew up
there too. :-)

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: SCHLIGHW@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Hans Schligtenhorst)
Subject: AT&T-Postmaster-Address wanted! Thanks
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:26:33 GMT

Hi everybody,
 
my brother wants to practize in the states for finishing his studies in
communication technics. So he wants to work at a great American company
like AT&T or others. Please send me the postmaster-address of AT&T for the
sector of communications.
 
Thanks in advance
 
Hans (& brother ;-)  )
 
--
Hans Schligtenhorst                     ! Hey, my computer is a musician.
schlighw@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de   ! The hd squeaks in C-major ...
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:12:11 GMT

In article <peterd.717893555@sensorite.dev.cdx.mot.com> peterd@sensorite.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers) writes:
>betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
>>George Bush's rationale for vetoing family leave is that workers
>>should collectively bargain for it as part of their contracts.  
>>This leaves most non-unionized workers (the bulk of the workforce) 
>>out in the cold.

Why do you think that only Union workers can negotiate? Everyone has the right
to "walk". The interesting thing is that companies that are most hurt by key 
people "walking" are also those that are most hurt by key people taking 
"family leave" at irregular and unpredictable intervals.

I see nothing wrong with the premise that being a good, steady reliable 
worker is a marketable trait [just like knowledge  and intelligence] that 
should translate into higher wages and advancement into positions of 
responsibility. Lead, follow, or get out of the way [as they say].

Some positions can get along just fine without a particular employee when it
is convenient for the employee to take leave. Some can't. Consider what
would have happened to Chrysler if Lee Iacocca had decided he needed a few
months family leave during the re-organization of Chrysler?

>On one hand, Bush is saying that family leave should only be provided
>as part of collective bargaining agreements. On the other hand, Bush 

Why do you insist that in the absense of Unions there can be no negotiation?

orville

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Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
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From: linda@Software.Mitel.COM (Linda Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: naturalization
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:56:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

I'm  hoping that someone out there can help answer a few questions for me.
My father is an American and my mother a Canadian, I was born in Canada. I
have recently filed (with the American Embassy) some (alien relative) forms that my father filed on my behalf.  My question is, What status does that give me?
Does that intitle me to dual citizenship? or Do I get Landed immigrant status?
Also,How long does that usually take to get the papers to move to the US? Any
and all help will be greatly appreciated.  Once again thanks in advance

						Linda
From: jhull@thor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (   Joseph F. Hull)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Hiring Freeze
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:50:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver

In article <3775@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, 
mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach) writes:
|> Has anyone had an experience where a prospective employer was prepared
|> to offer he/she a job and a hiring freeze was put into effect?
|> If so, when the freeze was lifted was the position still offered?

If they have made you an offer in writing, they are obligated to hire you 
(not that they always do).  "Hiring freezes" usually are directions from
one manager to another removing the authority to make an offer.  If the
offer has already been made, it (usually) isn't covered by the "freeze."  

If they have not made you an offer in writing, then you don't have an 
offer.  Period.  After the freeze is lifted, if they contact you, they
probably really do want you.  But don't wait for it (that's worse than
drawing to an inside straight).  Keep sending out resumes and interviewing 
other prosepctive employers.

-- 
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   //_) -/- -/-   1544 S. Vaughn Cir
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From: baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: checking up on companies
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:39:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	Is this an appropriate group to ask about experiences with a
given company. If not, what is?
	Anyone ever work for Proctor & Gamble? How 'bout opinions
on Boeing and Microsoft.
	Oh, if the dept. matters, i'd be doing something conceivably
entry-level,most likely some form of consulting, networking or system
administering (i have no idea where these people put us when they
hire us - most firms stick us a junior COBOL programmers).
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Where all that vacation time went!
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:54:03 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	This is meant as an "interesting aside" from the
American Vacation Time (why so little?) topic...

	I happened to spy a graphic in tonight's paper.  It's
entitled "School Vacations (Average length of summer vacations
for primary and secondary schools):"

	U.S.	12 weeks
	France	11
	Italy	8
	Germany	7
	Japan	6

	Source: Where We Stand, World Education Encyclopedia

	So that's it!  We give up vacation time as adults because
we get so much as kids :-)

				Daniel
-- 
     Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
	      Disclaimer: written by a highly caffeinated mammal
	    dansmith@autodesk.com            dansmith@well.sf.ca.us

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zwdq01@trc.amoco.com (Walter Quay)
Subject: Re: Recruiters in the San Jose/Bay Area
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
X-Checksum-Snefru: 286de873 e90b357f 83f16207 4d91dcb0
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:24:47 GMT


Could someone please e-mail me a list of recruiters and head hunters in the
Rocky Mountain Region(Colorado, Utah & New Mexico)? 
-- 
snail: 4502 E. 41st St Rm 322, Tulsa, OK 74135   Walter Quay
voice: (918) 660-3973                           
uucp:  ...!uunet!apctrc!zwdq01                  Amoco Research Center

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: teague@ece.scarolina.edu (Charles F. Teague)
Subject: Re: salary for new graduates
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  4 Oct 92 22:41:36 GMT

gregory j farrar <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>What range of salary could a person who has just graduated with a 4 year 
>computer science degree expect to be offered ??

>Thanks,

>Greg Farrar

	as far as the Southeast is concerned, I've seen a range
between $18K and $28K (with experience).

	Good Luck,
				chuck
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: The current economic situation -- what to call it?
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:48:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep24.181303.2739@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.121518.11039@csi.uottawa.ca>, duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors) writes:
>=)In article <1784@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:
>=)>philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper) writes:
>=)>You claim that "we are not in a recession", but you then offer no
>=)>criteria to support your assertion.  What do *you* define a recession
>=)>to be?
>=)>

I did not write this.  Please watch the attributions...

Phil Cooper
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: "jeff woods" <jeff.woods@canrem.com>
Subject: no-compete clause in
Reply-To: "jeff woods" <jeff.woods@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: misc
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:15:12 EST

|> Working for a fixed salary (not hourly) is pretty standard for
|> programmers.   No-compete clauses are quite common in employer contracts
|> for programmers, as are non-disclosure restrictions.   Typical
|> no-compete lengths are one to two years after employment ceases.

WJ>Tell me more about these "no-compete" clauses.  That sounds scary to me.
WJ>I assume it says something like that one cannot work in the same field
WJ>for X years after terminating his employment.  What is he supposed to do
WJ>durring that period, sell hamburgers?  Non-disclosure is reasonable, but
WJ>restricting where you can work is not.

For instance, mine says that should I voluntarily terminate my
employment, I cannot own, in part or in whole, a company that competes
directly with the products I programmed and supported.   It does not
preclude me from working in the field as an employee.

Jeff Woods     |  CIS:  71035,2167  |  Internet:   Jeff.Woods@canrem.com
Telix Support  |  Fido: 1:259/403   |  Direct BBS: 416-439-9399 v.32bis

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From: rcm8@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Needed jobs in computers, finance, investment or accounting
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:12:44 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

I am looking for a job in finance, accounting, computer or investments. I would
appreciate it, if somebody could send me information regarding any of the above 
available position. I am willing to relocate to any location.
thanks
RCM8@jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bmcllree@ad-server.Naitc.Com (Bob McLlree)
Subject: Re: Recruiters/Headhunters/Personnel Services, disadvantages of using them?
Keywords: Recruiters, Headhunters
Organization: AC Nielsen Co., Bannockburn IL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.012840.15546@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> Patrick Jost <jost@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
>
>Headhunters-YUCK!!
>
>I got the job I just left (at TRW) through a headhunter. He either painted a 
>very optimistic picture, or had no idea what was going on. The job he described
>just didn't exist, and it took me YEARS to undo the foolish mistake I made 
>of taking the job. 

How about: He BS'ed you completely in order to get his fee? Headhunters, 
except for a *very* few, don't give a damn about the job, or its requirements.
If they snag a warm body or two that appear to meet the req on paper,
they send 'em over and cross their fingers.


Bob
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Contract with F/T option question
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:54:00 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Sep28.093416@ties.bell-atl.com> df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com writes:
>Anybody have any opinions or experience related to being offered a contract
>position that can turn into a F/T position?  Specifically, I am referring

Isn't this obvious?  It's the same theory as hiring temp workers
to try them out.  If they are good, then you consider hiring them
as regular full-time employees.  Same thing with Contract employees.
You put a person on contract; you don't have to worry about 
paying benefits, or other related employer taxes.  There is no
risk to the employer, and he gets to try out so-called experts
to determine whether or not this indeed is the case.
--Keith

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston)
Subject: American Management Systems-Info
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:59:08 GMT

Hi,
  I'm looking for information about a company called:
  American Management Systems
  of Arlington VA. I'm interested in anything about the company, 
  especially what its like working for them.

-- 
Keith Alston jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scc@castle.ed.ac.uk (S C Collinson)
Newsgroups: uk.jobs,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,biz.jobs.offered
Subject: Research Fellow wanted at JETS, University of Edinburgh
Summary: Researcher wanted to lead Comparative
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:36:38 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Edinburgh University

UK-Japan Software Study, closing date for
applications: 5th Oct.1992.
Keywords: technology,computing,software,economics,Japan,UK
             
Job Description... 
Apply by: 5th October, 1992 

INSTITUTE FOR JAPANESE-EUROPEAN TECHNOLOGY STUDIES 
(JETS) UNIVERSITY OF EDINBURGH 

SENIOR RESEARCH FELLOW/RESEARCH FELLOW 
(SALARY: CIRCA 20,00 UK pounds DEPENDING ON EXPERIENCE) 

A Senior Research Fellow/Research Fellow is wanted to 
lead the 'Comparative UK-Japan Software Study', under 
the overall direction of Dr.Martin Fransman, Director, 
JETS.  This study is supported, with active 
participation, by the DTI, MITI, BT, Brameur, Barclays 
Bank, FI Group, Logica and Sema. 

The main aim of the project is to measure differences 
in software productivity and quality between selected 
UK and Japanese software projects and to explain the 
measured differences. The project will last for two 
years. 

While a familiarity with software practices is a 
necessary requirement for this post, applicants with a 
social science or business background may apply.  There 
is the possibility of further employment in JETS after 
this project has ended.  While an ability to speak 
Japanese and experience in Japan is not essential, it 
may be an advantage, as may experience in post-graduate 
research. 

Applicants are required to submit the names of three 
referees plus not more than three double-spaced single-
sided pages indicating their initial thoughts on the 
factors that might be taken into account in this study. 

The closing date for applications is - Monday, 5th 
October, 1992 

For further details, write to Mrs. S. Stanton, 
Administrative Secretary, Institute for Japanese-
European Technology Studies, University of Edinburgh, 
25 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh, EH8 9LN. (031)650-4061.
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Where all that vacation time went!
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I wrote:
>>I see [year-round schooling] as a way of getting kids accustomed to 
>>keeping the ol' nose to the grindstone 12 months a year.... 8-(

Greg Judkins writes:
>Most forms of year-round schooling I have seen do not change the number of
>days spent in school.  They only change the frequency and duration of off-times

Depends who's doing the proposing... here in Massachusetts, there's a big
push on to increase the *number* of school days from 180 to 220.  That's
eight more weeks, which eats up most of summer vacation... essentially
providing year-round schooling.

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jhull@den.mmc.com (   Joseph F. Hull)
Subject: Re: Business Opportunity BULLSHIT <some facts for everyone to review>
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:15:28 GMT

Say, folks, is it possible to behave like intelligent (not even very mature) human
beings?  Net ettiquette disrecommends racial and ethnic slurs and I suggest "Scamway"
is more of the same.  

Likewise, there are phrases and terms that are not normally acceptable in polite 
society (the net is, isn't it?).  Please avoid the term "pyramid scheme," which 
is a legal term for a banned business practice, unless you know what you are 
talking about.  Using it is accusing someone of breaking the law, which is an
actionable statement unless you can *prove* it is true in a court of law.

I don't think network marketing ads belong in misc.jobs.offerred (which is what
started the current flame war) but Amway is a perfectly respectable, completely
legal business opportunity.  If you're not interested, fine.  But that's no
reason to revile someone who is trying to put food on the table.  Go flame those
who are capable of working but choose to live on welfare instead.

If people are interested, e-mail me & I'll be happy to answer questions about
how it works, what's legal and what isn't, how much money you can expect to
make, how hard you will have to work or anything else you want to know.  

For the record:  I am an Amway distributor, have been for several years, 
have made a fair amount of money at it.  No, I am not "recruiting" just now. 

-- 
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   //_) -/- -/-   1544 S. Vaughn Cir
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From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Where all that vacation time went!
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:27:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sousa.1874
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Orville R. Weyrich writes:
>[re: year-round schooling & increasing number of school days]
>It does seem that kids get into less trouble while they are in school than
>while they are on summer vaction -- not sure  if it is the heat or the
>inability to deal with idle time non-violently. Perhaps an argument for
>year-round schooling.

How about the counter-argument that kids get in trouble during the summer
because there are no adults around to see to their emotional growth?

Try this one on for size:  Instead of locking the kids up in school over
the summer, give *adults* 12 weeks of vacation as well, so that parents
and kids can enjoy the summers *together*!!

Isn't this what family values is all about?

Naaahhh... can't do that.  Now that there's no missle gap with the Soviets,
we need to work on the Workaholism Gap with the Japanese instead.  Until
American schoolkids are committing suicide for failing grade-school entrance
exams, and until American workers are dropping dead at their desks from
stress, we must run ever-faster on the treadmill. 8-P

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Posting salaries - please keep to misc.jobs.misc
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:15:12 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa

In article <1992Sep28.142733.13413@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.023100.5633@RedBrick.COM>, jfr@RedBrick.COM () writes:
>=)In article <goudswaa.717638767@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:

The group misc.jobs.offered is getting ragged enough, thereby greatly
                    ^^^^^^^^
reducing its creditibility, without well intended discussion misdirected
to it.  Please keep this discussion to misc.jobs.misc where it (and this
message) belong.  Becareful with automatically generated Newsgroup headers.
Thank you.

Rob D.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S.Jobs
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:16:57 CDT

akerson@srg.af.mil@uunet.uucp writes:

*keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) wrote (a while ago) :
*>>(Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp) writes:
*>>(2) highly tax imported cars, electronic goods, and electronic parts; use
*>>that tax revenue as capital to (re?)-invest in those industries.
*
*>OK, Let's see who is going to suffer if this is implemented.  I go
*>down to the Electronics Superstore to buy a VCR.  Because of this
*>additional tax, I now have to pay several dollars more for the VCR,
*>because no American company makes one.  Then, if they do start making
*>VCR's, I will have to pay more for them, because the American company
*>is not going to price them lower than Japan's VCR's including the tax.
*
*False.
*
*The price should be lower in order to gain market share.

SHOULD BE.  However, this strategy has not been used by American manufacturers
with any degree of consistancy (excepting the almost continual rebates/close
outs offered by the automotive companies).  If long range goals were more
important to the industry than the quick profit, the USA would be better off.

*Their profit comes from having built a (new) more efficent plant,
*lower shipping costs, and avoidance of the tarrif.
*
*( Who was giving out the cash prize anyway ? )
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