From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: It's a grand old team to play for ??
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:22:11 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Sep14.182036.14841@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.131703.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.195426.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>> In recent times there have been a number of postings concerning 
>>> the role of Mr Murray and his famous Glasgow Rangers. The remarks
                                         ^^^^^^^
>>> have sneered at the business side of the club but ..........
>>> -- 
>>> Sandy Mackinnon                Out now, the  new Celtic single :-
>>> University of Strathclyde      "Where the strips have no names"
>>> Glasgow
>>> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
>>
>>I have been guilty of this quite disgraceful behaviour.  It should be stated
>>here and now that the Famous Murray International Metals Works Team
>>Incorporating The Famous Glasgow rangers are and have always been beyond
>>reproach and above criticism.
> 
> Since when did Rangers have "Glasgow" in their name - this is nonsense.
>                              ^^^^^^^
>>Meanwhile, back on familiar territory, Our Terry has been mouthin' away on the
>>box about that proposed humble pie in the sky at Cambuslang. Its just about all
>>signed sealed and delivered says he.  "NOT!" quoth the chairman and other
>>directors the very next day, hinting that the chief exec. will get a ticking
>>off when he comes into work.  Similarities between this and the collapse of
>>the Gola deal are purely coincidental;-).
>>
>>The "strips with no names"- other than UMBRO and CELTIC-are apparently selling
>>like the proverbial hot cakes..............
> 
> Glad to see that you are projecting a sense of realism into this and are
> actually criticising Celtic saying the things that myself and Sandy have been
> telling you for ages. A deal of $130,000 is hardly big money when you
> consider that the Rangers deal with Adidas is worth almost 3 million a year.
> Maybe if Celtic had one of Scotland's most successful businessmen as a
> chairman they might get such deals, then again maybe not.

As Sandy himself will tell you, we have never had any problem with criticising
Celtic over the past few years-the fanzine NTV is good evidence of this and a
good laugh as well.  The biggest problem that we have is that it is very
difficult to make a private"family" company do what the majority of supporters
think is best.  It was apparently no easier for the decent supporters of your
team, which is afterall a public company,to get rid of the most despicable
policy in Scottish sport i.e. it took about 115 YEARS!

You are wrong to compare the #130,000 with the Adidas deal as that was for a
shirt sponsor, it should be Umbro deal vs Adidas deal and knocking back #130000
vs the McEwans deal. And yes, MIM are way out ahead but not quite what you
said:-)
> 

>>has managed to get the turnstyle computer to jam at around 28,000.  And we
>>thought things were changing.............
> 
> Why can't you accept that the real attendance is given.

Its just an honest opinion and most Celtic supporters have the same idea.Its
almost a club tradition. We know what a capacity crowd looks like from Old Firm 
games and often when we look at a crowd in another game and think "this must
just be a feww thousand off capacity" it turns out to be 20-30,000 short.It
might seem strange to you that we question the ability and motives fo the club
controllers.
As said before, MIM FC are above criticism.
> 
> -- 
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Chris
Unbelievably-still no surname
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