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From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.181922.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
    smackinla@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>                                     Unfortunately, my real interests lie
>with computers, rather than with radio, and I see the use of packet as more
>of a _very_ convenient modem, and one that will enable me to access the net
>(so that I can follow linux, as mentioned before).

Well, many people in packet radio are interested in computers (the two
seem to go together), and packet radio is an ideal medium for experimentation.
However, if you are looking at it from the point of view of saving telephone
calls, then I guess it's not a bona fide use...  Mind you, that hasn't stopped
some people before - just listen to any 2m repeater :-)

>Ok. I understand and can accept this. I still don't know exactly how I would
>get access to the net through radio however. Is it set up through some kind of
>service providing machine somewhere that users can log into and be able to
>use tools like ftp and telnet? Or is it a much simpler proposition, ie: mail
>only type access. Could someone please explain (in email if nec.) how this
>works at the present time?

Well, as others have pointed out (I deliberately held back replying, so they
could) it's still in the experimental stages, and not exactly public.  And it
is _not_ a replacement for a telephone modem to a USENET host, but more of a
way of disseminating Amateur information.  The ideal Radio Amateur is one who
puts back into the service as much (or pref. more) as he/she takes out of it,
you see.  It's not just a hobby, but a Way Of Life :-)

>As I said above, my main interests are in computers, and I apologize if that's
>not politically correct for this newsgroup (or AR as a whole), but I really do
>see that packet radio could be my only link with the net outside of university.

Don't worry - we get all sorts of people on this newsgrope :-)  Basically, if
you're willing to put in the study that is required, and pass the examinations,
then there is no reason why you cannot do whatever you want to do with your
new licence, providing you abide by the regulations.

>However, I will have to learn more about radio to be able to make effective use
>of it, and you never know, I may turn out to be more interested in that than
>computers! <grin>

Well, it would be nice :-)

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dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
From: u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au (Shane Kelvin Richards)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: FAQ?
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:14:45 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia


	Is there a FAQ for this group, if so, where can I get hold of it?


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From: John.Elliott@f393.n634.z3.fidonet.org (John Elliott)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: Re: * SpaceNews 10-Aug-92 *
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:47:23 +1000

David, do you know of any publication that concentrates on weather satellites ?.
Interested to find out more i.e. when they are switched off, when they are
switch on, new advancements in wx satellites etc etc. Can you help ?.


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Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: mbl900@anusf.anu.edu.au (Mathew BM LIM)
Subject: IP or e-mail at AUUG '92 ?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:55:52 GMT

This may be or may become a FAQ, but will there be IP connectivity or at
least e-mail access at AUUG '92? If not, is any kind soul in Melbourne
willing to provide me with said access - preferbly dial-up so I don't
have to travel all over Melbourne to get there.

Thanks ....

--
Mathew Lim, Unix Systems Programmer, ANU Supercomputer Facility,	
Australian National University,	GPO Box 4, Canberra City, ACT, Australia 2601.
Telephone : +61 6 249 2750 	| 
Fax       : +61 6 247 3425	| E-Mail  : M.Lim@anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: pjw@lobo.canberra.edu.au (Peter Wishart)
Subject: Re: IP or e-mail at AUUG '92 ?
Organization: EASAMS (Australia) - ADCNET Project, Canberra
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:17:53 GMT

In <mbl900.714120952@anusf.anu.edu.au> mbl900@anusf.anu.edu.au (Mathew BM LIM) writes:

>This may be or may become a FAQ, but will there be IP connectivity or at
>least e-mail access at AUUG '92? If not, is any kind soul in Melbourne
>willing to provide me with said access - preferbly dial-up so I don't
>have to travel all over Melbourne to get there.

Yes, there will be a terminal room to an IP connected machine at AUUG92
so that people can check their e-mail etc.

Peter
Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: ianh@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ian Hoyle)
Subject: Re: IP or e-mail at AUUG '92 ?
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:49:35 GMT

mbl900@anusf.anu.edu.au (Mathew BM LIM) writes:

>This may be or may become a FAQ, but will there be IP connectivity or at
>least e-mail access at AUUG '92? If not, is any kind soul in Melbourne
>willing to provide me with said access - preferbly dial-up so I don't
>have to travel all over Melbourne to get there.

Funny you should ask this :-)

As of yesterday we now will have a terminal room available with some Labtam 
X-terminals hooked up via an ISDN microlink to Melbourne Uni. Of course 
there will be some *reasonable* limit placed on how long anyone can use 
them for any one session - hey, give yourselves a break, you don't *have* 
to read netnews _every_ day !! :-)

Full details and kudos will be given for those other suppliers kindly
donating equipment to make this happen as soon as I've firmed up who they
are going to be.

So yes, it will be available ......

	ian
	(AUUG '92 technical committee member)
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Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: eaf@softway.sw.oz.au (Liz Fraumann)
Subject: AUUG '92 Conference and Exhibition
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:00:56 GMT

Update AUUG '92 -- 8 - 11 September, Melbourne, VIC --
 If you have not received your Conference Programme and Registration,
 please call (02) 332-4622.  You have a few days before the 28 August
 early registration discounts are over.  Pricing is as follows:

 Conference		On or Before	After
	       		28 Aug.		28 Aug.	
 
 AUUG Member*		$300		$350
 Non Member		$500		$550
 Day Fee-Member		$150		$200
 Day Fee-Non Member	$200		$250
 Student		$100		$150
 
 Tutorials
 Half Day Tutorial	$160		$210
 Full Day Tutorial	$280		$330
 
 Please note lunches are not included in the conference price and are
 $25 per day extra.  If you are interested in the provided lunch you must
 indicate this on your registration form.  
 
 Speaker Changes:
 
 P4 - Thursday, 10 September - Suzanne LaForge Afshar, Digital
 Equipment Corporation, will speak on How Standards Reduce Computing
 Costs
 
 M2-3 - Thursday, 10 September - Colin Fulton, UNIX International -
 Pacific Basin, will replace Dave Sandel, UNIX International, Inc.
 
 M2-4 - Thursday, 10 September - Doug  Woodcock, Hewlett Packard,
 will speak on Organisation-wide  Contingency Planning
 
 C3-3 - Friday, 11 September - John Young, uniXpac, will speak on
 Nomadic Computing Environments.
 
 
 Corrections:
 
 T3-3 - Friday, 11 September - Greg Rose, ACCI - please note the full
 and correct title to this session is: fmake, A tool in Support of a Policy
 For Management of Things.

 
 TUTORIAL REVIEW:  8 September 1992
 
 TU-1 Full Day - UNIX SVR4, Technical Overview and Selected Internal
 Topics. - Chris  Schoettle, UNIX System Laboratories, Australia
 
 TU-2 Full Day - 4.4BSD Preview: Kernel Internals - Keith Bostic,
 University of California, Berkeley
 
 TU-3 Half Day - Insights into Guru-level C Programming - Andrew
 Gollan, Softway, Pty. Ltd.
 
 TU-4 Half Day - Programming in PERL - Frank Crawford, Australian
 Supercomputing Technology
 
 TU-5 Half Day - Cruising the Internet - Ian Hoyle, BHP Research and
 Peter Elford, AARNet
 
 TU-6 Half Day - The Easy Route to X-Windows - Raymond Anderson, IXI
 
 TU-7 Half Day - Introduction to the UNIX Operating System - Roger
 Fraumann, UNIX International, Australia
 
 TU-8 Half Day - Business Requirements and Open Systems - Roger
 Fraumann, UNIX International, Australia & Robert Peake, GA Pacific
 
 
 For complete conference details, call (02) 332-4622 and ask for
 a Conference Programme and Registration booklet.
 
 
 Additional Events:  
 
 Face Saver Programme - Stop by and "Capture the Moment"!  Images will
 be stored digitally and available for future use.
 
 Terminal Room - Located on the lower level of the exhibition area.  Near
 the AUUG booth!

If you have any questions, you may send me e-mail at: eaf@swift.sw.oz.au or
call (02) 935-3542.

Look forward to seeing you at AUUG '92!

* For AUUG membership applications call (02) 332-4622.   Annual fees for
individuals are $78.00 and Institutions are $325.00.

Liz Fraumann
AUUG - Business Manager

Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: bern@stallion.oz.au (Bernadette M. Garner)
Subject: QUUG
Organization: Stallion Technologies
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:54:17 GMT
Summary: meeting
Keywords: next meeting]

 Reminder for the next meeting of QUUG is the 25th of August at the 
 Regatta Hotel, Toowong Brisbane. Please be there by 7pm. 
 There will be 2 speakers, 1 on image processing and 1 on ODT2.
 For more information contact bern@stallion.oz.au or
 Norm Bumbieris of Ticketpro on 07 800 7235.

 Meeting times have been changed to the last Tuesday of the month.
From: camayoc@itd.adelaide.edu.au (Directory Administrator)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory
Subject: PRODiR AU level results
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:35:37 GMT

PRODiR AU DSA results for Fri Aug 21 00:04:36 CST 1992
From: david@twg.com (David Herron)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: photos in the directory
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:33:45 GMT

> JPEG is the new file format used for photos in the directory.  G3FAX is just
> Black & White (not grey scale or color) and is being phased out.

I haven't been following discussions for the photo's-in-directory discussion
but the demonstration I just got from my office mate has me concerned.  So
I've got some possibly naiive questions...

For the demonstration he had a particular picture JPEG'd and at 1024x768 pixels.
To display this with xv (recent version) took >30 seconds, and the command

	djpeg | ppmquant 256 >/dev/null

took 1.5 minutes.  (And it reported 30,000+ colors in the picture)  This was
on a lightly loaded Sun 4/490.

He wasn't sure about the gritty details, but was saying that JPEG always
uses 24bits/pixel.  To display on a monitor which don't do that many colors
you have to quantize it down to what your monitor'll do.  In my case (sun bwtwo)
that's 2 colors, while his (sun cg3) it is 256 colors.

But this seems weird.  JPEG is a recent standard, and comes after 3 or 4
generations of other picture formats.  Surely they woulda learned some lessons
and defined a format which allowed for lots of options.  Or maybe, since this
standard came from the Motion Picture industry, their concern was more focussed
on compression and high quality pictures and not on generality.

Q: What options are there in storing a picture?  Only in 24?  Other resolutions?

Obviously times-to-display of 30 seconds to 1.5 minutes (This does not include
any time involved with fetching through The Directory, since the picture was
already on local disk) is an unacceptibly long amount of time for the user
to wait to see the picture.  So I am concerned, suddenly, about whether this
was a good choice of picture format.

Q: What purpose is the photo stuff to serve?  Is it to store a persons picture
along with their Directory Entry?  Or is it to be for storage of pictures
in general, not necessarily of people?  The picture we were using wasn't (erm)
of the type that you'd want as your personal picture in The Directory, so does
the sort of picture & number of colors chosen &c make a difference to how
long it takes to display?

<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
<-
<- "Just because I recreate the middle ages on weekends doesn't mean I have to
<- at work." -- me
From: glenn@aic.co.jp (Glenn Mansfield)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Directory Service Access from a PC
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:03:02 GMT


Hello Folks !

Could someone enlighten me on whether it is possible to access
the Directory Services from a PC using a serial link and software
that is freely available :-)

There are several bits and pieces like DIXIE/LDAP, NCSA-Telnet, KA9Q,
SLIP etc which are available but is it possible to use some/all of these
to achieve the above ? Has anyone tried it ?

Thanks

glenn

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From: Erik.Huizer@SURFnet.nl (Erik Huizer)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: FYI: last call on friendly naming
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:12:42 GMT

For those of you sensible enough not to be on the ietf list.

Erik

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Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:38:39 -0400
From:    IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@NRI.Reston.VA.US>
To:      IETF <IETF@isi.edu>
cc:      IESG <IESG@NRI.Reston.VA.US>
Subject: Last Call: Using the OSI Directory to Achieve User Friendly Naming to 
	  Experimental


The IESG has received a request from the OSI Directory Services
Working Group to publish the Internet Draft "Using the OSI Directory
to Achieve User Friendly Naming"
<draft-ietf-osids-friendlynaming-03.txt, .ps> as an Experimental
protocol.
 
This document is a revision of a document previously submitted to the
IESG/IAB as a Proposed Standard.

The IESG plans to issue a recommendation in the next few weeks, and 
solicits final comments on this elevation.  Please send any comments 
to the iesg@nri.reston.va.us, or ietf@isi.edu mailing lists by Sep 02.

Greg Vaudreuil
IESG Secretary

------- End of Forwarded Message
From: mcs@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: Directory Service Access from a PC
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:32:14 GMT

>From:     Glenn Mansfield <glenn@aic.co.jp>
> Could someone enlighten me on whether it is possible to access
> the Directory Services from a PC using a serial link and software
> that is freely available :-)

Yes, it is possible.  I have done it from my house using the following
combination: Merit's PPP packet driver, NCSA Telnet config. file set up
to use the PPP driver, and Bud, the simple DOS user agent we developed
here at U-M that uses NCSA TCP/IP code.  I am sure it can be done over
slip also.  It worked OK at 2400bps from my 486 PC, although faster
would be much better I am sure.

The Merit ppp packet driver is available on merit.edu in /pub/ppp.
I think the file ppp.exe is a self-extracting archive.  Bud is on
terminator.cc.umich.edu in /x500/bud.exe.  The DIXIE client library
is what Bud uses, and we plan to port LDAP to the PC also, for those
who want to build their own UA.

-Mark Smith
 University of Michigan Information Technology Division Unix Group
 mcs@umich.edu
From: Erik.Huizer@SURFnet.nl (Erik Huizer)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: FYI: recommendation on Naming Guidelines
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:12:33 GMT


Just to show that I am working on my action items from the last meeting.

Erik
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Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:28:33 -0400
From:    Internet Engineering Steering Group <iesg-secretary@NRI.Reston.VA.US>
To:      Jon Postel -- RFC Editor <postel@ISI.EDU>, 
	 Internet Activities Board <iab@ISI.EDU>
cc:      Internet Engineering Task Force <ietf@ISI.EDU>
Subject: Document Action: Naming Guidelines for Directory Pilots


Notification:

   The IESG recommends that the Internet Draft Naming Guidelines for
   Directory Pilots" <draft-ietf-osids-dirpilots-05.txt, .ps> be
   published as an Informational Document.  This document is the
   product of the IETF OSI Directory Services Working Group.

Evaluation:
   
   Deployment of a Directory will benefit from following certain
   guidelines. Alignment to these guidelines is recommended for
   directory pilots.  Early experience in the pilot has shown that a
   consistent approach to structure and naming is an aid to querying
   using a wide range of user interfaces, as interfaces are often
   optimised for DIT structures which appear prevalent. This document
   defines a number of such naming guidelines.

------- End of Forwarded Message
From: wright@lbl.gov (Russ Wright)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: photos in the directory
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:28:52 GMT

I don't want to start a big JPEG debate right now, but here goes.

I just did a few quick tests on my Sparc II:

640x480 image
9 seconds to display JPEG photo in XV
4 seconds for GIF

207 x 237:
Display JPEG = 4 seconds
Display GIF = < 2 seconds

Yes, JPEG takes some time to decompress, but I can live with double the 
display time.

The real issue is image file size:

640x480 image
GIF = 133K
JPEG = 13K

This is a major consideration.  Consider a Macintosh that gets the photo 
over a 230.4Kbit localtalk link.  Smaller is better.  It takes about 15 
seconds to decompress and display the 207x237 image on my Mac IIfx.

The bottom line is that you should create small photos (100x100 would be 
nice) if you want people to look at them.


Now for your questions:

> For the demonstration he had a particular picture JPEG'd and at 1024x768 
pixels.
> To display this with xv (recent version) took >30 seconds, and the 
command

That is a BIG photo.  You do not want to put that photo in the directory.

How long did it take to display the photo in GIF format?  My guess would 
be >15 seconds.

> Q: What options are there in storing a picture?  Only in 24?  Other 
resolutions?

You can set the "quality level", which determins how much the image is 
compressed.  The more compression, the more information is lost in the 
image and the smaller the size. 

> 
> Q: What purpose is the photo stuff to serve?  Is it to store a persons 
picture

Any color or grey scale image.  Black and White should use G3Fax.

If you have more questions, read the documentation that comes with the 
jpeg software first.  (ftp.uu.net in graphics/jpeg - I think).


Russ
From: pau@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: subscribe
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:26:09 GMT

Please add me to the directory service (X.500 ?) mail list.

My e-mail address is "pau@watson.ibm.com".

Thank you.

Regards, Pau-Chen
From: P.Williams@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Peter Williams)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: UserCertificate
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:49:12 GMT


   >From: rjacob@mil.navy.nctsw.wnyosi9
   >Subject: UserCertificate
   >Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 15:45:38 EDT

   >I can not figure out how to use StrongAuthentication.
   >
   >Will some one please send me a copy of a bogus entry which works,
   >Please?!!    or 
   >Tell me what I am doing wrong?

I offer to respond to this, though it will be in a couple of days when
my busy schedule permits.

Ill start a discussion topic on the quipu mailing list, to discuss what
we at UCL/XTel/Cambridge have regarding strong authentication in
quipu.

However, there are others (in the US and elsewhere) who have
implemented the same in quipu and other Directory software suites, as
the US Navy Testbed programme knows.  They also read quipu. We should
ALL, including all MSP consultants on the above lists, try to make an
effort to get such design and technology open, and up and running
publicly where possible.

Peter.
From: S.Runge@ecan.ibm.de (Sascha Runge)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: (none)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:13:15 GMT

Where do I get a picture-converter from, which transforms TIFF, IOCA, PCS, GIFF, or BITMAP -format into PBM or G3FAX -format ?
I'm trying to include pictures into the DIT.

Thanks for help
Alexander Runge
(runge@ecan.ibm.de)
From: jlowry@BBN.COM (John Lowry)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: UserCertificate
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:31:23 GMT

Peter,

/   >I can not figure out how to use StrongAuthentication.


/ We should
/ALL, including all MSP consultants on the above lists, try to make an
/effort to get such design and technology open, and up and running
/publicly where possible.

    I would perhaps be able to help if there more detail provided about
    the exact nature of the problem.  The problem as stated doesn't
    really give one a handle other than to suggest a semester course
    on X.509 and cryptographic techniques ... :-)

John Lowry
From: ggr@carlton.acci.com.au (Greg Rose)
Subject: Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.
Keywords: training, ppl
Organization: Australian Computing and Communications Institute
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:52:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.083552.23350@rp.CSIRO.AU> pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan) writes:
>Perhaps Australians don't see much point in talking for the hell of it.
>Aww bugger. And now I'm seemingly doing just that.

Larry Wall keeps reminding me that even using NetNews costs someone
thousands of dollars.

>I have a few questions ...
>
>(1) Perhaps there is an FAQ for this group, but I haven't noticed it being
>advertised. Is such a beast extant ?

As the founder of this group, I can tell you that I don't maintain
it.

>(3) Aren't there at least a couple of people out there with something worthwhile to say?
>I don't want to beat up traffic just for the sake of it, but it's a little
>disheartening to only get an American perspective on aviation. Besides, rec.aviation
>can get so bogged down with discussions of FAA regs that tears roll down my cheeks.

I have a couple of very old articles about the differences between
flying in the US and here in Oz, but there really isn't that much
difference any more. AMATS, you know...

>(4) What sort of prices do people pay for planes/instructors around the country ?
>Things like wet/dry hire, instructors time while in the air, instructor time on the
>ground for briefings, ... etc.

Too much, compared to the US. However, I persist. I've just joined the
Arrow flying club at Bankstown, and will be happy to post a comparison
between that and the other ways I've been paying for flying, as soon
as I've done some.

>(5) Following on from (4), do people have any strong reccomendations for flying
>training -- ie schools, type of plane, ...

I like Clamback & Hennessy at Bankstown. They tend NOT to have
instructors on their way to airlines. I also got a lot out of having
an occasional flight with an instructor other than my regular one.

>(6) I'm a long way from it yet, but does anyone have suggestions as to cross country
>weekend/3 day trips (I'm interested in `from Sydney', but I'm sure people in other
>towns would be interested to hear of things.)

AHA! Finally you tell us (me) where you want to fly from.

Moruya makes a nice day trip during warm weather. Pack a picnic lunch
and towel and cozzies. Cessnock is good for a weekend trip with
friends who like to guzzle, so long as you don't mind not doing so at
the same time.

>If people post me direct I'll summarise as to (4), and (5). But it's not as if there's
>a heap of traffic anyway.

Indeed.

Please keep your lines shorter (ie. < 80 cols.)

regards,
Greg.
--
Greg Rose                 Australian Computing and Communications Institute
ggr@acci.com.au                                              +61 3 282 2532
Newsgroups: aus.aviation