HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle)
Subject: "Waxing" a chain
Originator: jpringle@everest
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:01:23 GMT


I am sure this is something that has been discussed often, but I am fairly new to the net.  Could someone explain the advantages/disadvantages to "waxing" a chain as opposed to oiling it (I use "Tri-flow").  I realize that by using wax instead of oil, you won't get oil on everything that touches the chain.  I am more interested in performance.

Please email your comments to me.  

Thanks,
Jim

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin)
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: bridge map
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:26:32 GMT

birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>
>Now the only thing I don't know is whether these bridges require me to _walk_
>the bike over [I'm riding with TIME shoes and pedals, walking sucks] or maybe
>actually let me _ride_ it somewhere [in the lane? on the side?]  
>
>Anyone know more about this?


You can call the New Jersey Dept of Transportation, Bicycle Advocate's
Office and request the bicycling information packet.  It contains,
among other things, information on crossing the Delaware.

Specifically, it lists bridges from south to north, and gives 
restrictions on bicycle crossing.  Not all bridges are listed, but
it does state "Most bridges have walkways.  Bicyclists are required
to walk on walkways."


-- 
Carlos Martin    martin@morticia.Princeton.edu    Already disturbed, may turn
                 martin@icecream.Princeton.edu           violent at any time.
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike nashbar and the Avia Sport shoes Pamela recommended
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:04:06 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Jul25.121024.14161@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu  
(John Kim) writes:
> 
> 	Just to back up my endorsement of Bike Nashbar with actions,
> I just got off the phone with them.  They are out of stock (surprise,
> surprise) of the Avia sport fitness walkable shoe in size 12, BUT,
  [stuff deleted in the interest of bandwidth]
> 	Of course I can return them if they don't fit, but it will
> cost me about $6 to do so.
> -Case

I'll never buy shoes mailorder (esp. from Nashbar) again! I tried that trick a  
year ago. The shoes didn't fit. Nashbar wanted me to pay the shipping to return  
them, the shipping to try the next pair on, then the shipping to return *them*,  
etc. etc. 

Clothing maybe. At least a jersey doesn't need to fit perfectly. But shoes?  
I'll go to my favourite bike shop.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Subject: Re: Tdf - 11th Stage
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 11:46:55 GMT


Hell! How about last year's Tour? Didn't Lemond breakaway in the
later stages? I watched last night and he did about 3 times, the
last time being on his way to Paris (He eventually got caught),
But one time (Don't remember the stage) he broke away and Banesto
*tried* to catch him but couldn't, they even got the help from
the Amaya team and they couldn't catch him either...Even Phil
Liggett himself praised Lemond's effort because after all he was
down & out for that Tour too! The bottom line is, Lemond has 
attacked before, now if you haven't seen it yet that's another
story....:-) Cheers!
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|     University of Puerto Rico    | If the shoe fits, buy it! |
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From: hejl@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Mike Hejl)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:01:08 GMT
Followup-To: hejl@asl.dl.nec.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas

In article <71189646411440@oxygen> stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein) writes:
> Also, a quick and dirty check for _over-tightness- is to angle the
...
Perhaps ypu can supply a valid email path...

I've found this doesn't work too well with the roller bearing headsets like
Stronglights: they seem to have more resistance than standard ball headsets.
The sealing mechanism (if any) also has an impact here.  Those with o-rings
typically have more resistance than those with plastic seals.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Majik)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.223641.12099@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Majik) writes:
>>I do think that you are nuts. There are times (emergencies.. illness etc) when
>>a driver's license is essential. I do not think that you are nuts for not 
>>driving every day.. or even for discouraging others.. but to purposfully 
>>limit your options?? 
>
>So you're telling me that I should spend ~$500 for a piece of ID that I would
>only use to get into bars occasionally? I don't have a car, I can't afford a

No no no no no... (according to my email I did not make myself clear.. I'll try 
again). People should know HOW to drive. The best method of proving that you 
know how to drive (when questioned) is by presenting a license. The original
poster indicated that for him there was no need for a car, or likely wouldn't
be a need for a car.. and thus people thought it nuts that he didn't have 
a license.  I'm arguing that a license on it's own can be a good  thing. 

If you were cycling along a rural road.. and stumbled upon a car with a driver
who needs medical attention but is unable to drive (giving birth? food 
poisoning? flu? sunstroke?). What do you do? (No the car does not have a
cellular phone) Cycle to the nearest phone? BUT it's rural.. the nearest 
phone could be miles away! The logical option is to drive to the nearest 
phone bringing the passenger with you.
 
(There are a lot of IF/WHEN/MAYBE assumptions here (remote, not life 
threatening to move the victim etc.) But I'm over emphasizing my point 
that you shouldn't purposfully limit your options. Don't NOT learn to 
drive simply because you won't have a car for the next N years. 


>car, I have no where to park my car even if I had one. I also have no on who
>would lend me their car (my father? HA!) I'd rather spend that $500 on
>something else. I can't even rent a car for something like 3 years after
>getting my license, and how on earth am I going to practice in the meantime?? 
>
>(the ~$500 being of course for driving lessons, etc)
>
>Gaea
>
>


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: smc@hotsc.att.com (Steven M. Casagrande)
Subject: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:42:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.183525.29286@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>Great race, but the TV coverage almost made me toss my cookies.  It
>*did* make me turn off the set in the middle of the race, as I decided
>that having to sit through umpteen commercials, three "up close and
>personal" sessions, a rehash of the opening ceremonies, and "your local
>news" was just not worth it.  I figured I could wait until this morning
>and see the results in the paper.  (BTW I *am* a Neilsen data point,
>so turning off the set tells NBC that about 4000 people in Boulder CO
>were disgusted with their coverage!)

NBC "coverage" of the Olympics is about the worst I've ever seen
on TV.  I'd rather watch Barry Tompkins for 24 hours straight
than suffer through one more minute of this worthless attempt
by NBC.

I've vowed to tape anything I want to see (e.g., Bicycle Racing), and
watch it the next night with my finger poised over the fast-forward
button.  I'd bet there's 30% sports, 30% bullshit fluff, and 40%
commercials.

My wife wanted to watch some of the women's gymnastics; it was easy
to watch the whole evenings' performance in about 30 minutes by
skipping all the B.S.

Maybe they're trying to force us to watch the PPV "Triplecast."
Then again, maybe the Triplecast is three times as bad!

Thanks, Ilana, for being a Neilsen home.  I only hope all the other
Neilson families are doing the same.

Steve Casagrande
smc@hotsc.att.com

O.B. Bike:  I counted 17 bikes today outside Holmdel Bell Labs, out of
5423 employees listed in this building, for 0.313%.  And that's a
record.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Need advice on frame size
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:48:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Greg LeMond has very long thighs. In his book he tells everyone
to _start_ with the seat pushed all of the way back. He
also insists that the "road" geometry of 72-72 is ideal.

Almost everything in his book is good information except this
bit. People with more normally arranged proportions will find
that 73 degree seat angles will allow the seat to be centered
on the seat post when the knee is over the pedal spindle as LeMond's
book recommends.

I have slightly short thighs proportionately and find that 73.5
degrees is necessary for a centered seat.

These elite athletes tend to consider their sports from their own
view points. Davis Phinney and Conney Carpenter are very powerful
riders while LeMond is a GC rider extrordinaire. So their advice
must be taken from the view that you and I can't push a 55-11 nor
sit 3" too far back.
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Riding with a cold
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:58:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul20.124849.1246@bmers145.bnr.ca> suescoop@bmerh72.BNR.CA (Jeromy Carriere) writes:

>	I'd like to know what people think about riding while sick.  

 I try to follow the old adage: If the illness is above the neck light training
is probably ok; if below the neck, rest and relaxation is required.


>	I have a chest cold, and it's very difficult to ride with any intensity
>	without having a coughing fit.  So, I have two questions:

>		1) How much, if any, time do people take off with
>			illnesses like this?

>		2) How much conditioning (cardiovascular and muscular)
>			is lost with time off?


 I recently had some bruised ribs which caused me to miss 4 weeks of training.
It has taken me aproximately 5 weeks to get back to the same fitness level I
was at before my abrupt sabbatical. I'm 39yrs old. When I was in my 20's I thinkit was equal days off requiring the same amount to get back to the same level of
fitness. Now it seems to require an extra 7 days of training.

ttyl;paul

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:56:37 GMT

In article <92Jul26.172823edt.267@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> craig@cs.toronto.edu (Craig MacDonald) writes:
>Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>bicycles long enough to read it.  I wonder why the Ministry chose now
>to make this policy statement.  They were to have announced their
>policy at the International Conference for Auto Free Cities that took
>place in Toronto a few weeks ago.

In May, actually. The policy was supposed to be announced in May, but it was
delayed in cabinet by some other, higher-priority issues.

>No fault insurance is an ill conceived system of compensation rushed
>through the legislature by the Peterson government.  They did not
>think of pedestrians or bicyclists or students at that time.  The
>compensation is inadequate.  Most bicycle/motorvehicle 'ACCIDENTS' are
>the fault of the motorist but in bad accidents the bicyclist is not
>conscious. The investigating police officer can only listen to the
>driver.  If for no other reason than being able to tell your side of
>the story, please wear a helmet.

Many cycling groups criticized it for this reason at the time it was
introduced. The NDP government had promised to correct some of these
problems; a reminder might be in order.

>After 20 years of cycling I am mildly optimistic.  If there are funds
>for cycling paths available to the municipality of Toronto, I can only
>hope that they aren't managed by the political hacks that came up with
>the 'Martin-Bad-ass trail'.  This was a waste of taxpayers money.  It
>is a meandering, poorly paved, badly maintained path of no practical
>and little recreational use, that goes (nowhere) through ragweed and
>pollen infested, isolated low security terrain and should be an
>embarrassment to locals.  The accent is on mildy optimistic.

The policy clearly states that the Ministry of Transportation will only
fund facilities that are primarily for commuting: on-road or close to
roads or transit facilities are the usual criteria. If not, traffic counts
must show that the paths are mostly used by commuters.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.191800.10687@gtephx.UUCP>, corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.151143.1904@aero.org>, meinel@aerospace.aero.org (Ed Meinel) writes:
> > 
> > What happened to teamwork in this race (except for the Australians -- way 
> > to go!)? Each time a US rider went down, none of her teammates dropped 
> > back to help. They were expected to ITT their way back to the peloton.
> 
> What teammates do you mean? The teams consisted of a whopping two riders.
> With those numbers it would be totally stupid to drop back and aid your
> only teammate. Better to go up front and control the race a bit.
> 
> At any rate, it's pretty hard to do anything but individual tactics with
> only two riders per team.
> 
> The big question is, with only 58 riders, why can't teams be composed of
> four riders, or at least three? I'm pretty sure the men's race will have
> up to three riders per team.
 
Well, guess I screwed up. The teams were made up of three riders. Maybe they
should allow six per team. I don't know if this would help much though, women
race in such a bizarre manner. But then again, so do men cat 3's and back.
I shouldn't have gotten lazy and downgraded from a cat 2.

Ciao,
-- 
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From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:56:31 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) writes:
> I bet I could too, (for a few seconds, anyway) if I was mashing a huge
> chainring and drafting an 18 wheeler......  Seems like he could all but sit
> back and watch the scenery go by without pedalling....!

If you think you can beat Secrest, either paced or unpaced for anywhere from
two to eight days, then why don't you give it a try.  He currently holds
the unpaced cross continental record of under eight days.  (unpaced)

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:36:12 EST
Distribution: usa

> In article <1992Jul22.133315.11240@vicorp.com>, chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie
> Hileman) says:
>>
>>From what I understand, some designs of the small chain rings are
>>supposed to prevent "chain suck" - do they work?  (I get chain suck
>>once or twice a ride, usually when shifting very quickly on rough
>>terrain.  I'm reluctant to add the "chain suck thing" unless I really
>>need it).
>>
Onza makes stainless steel inner chain rings that are supposed to be narrow
enough that the chain does not stick to the ring and get sucked up in 
between the frame and the chainrings during a shift.  Aluminum is 
apparently not strong enough to allow such a narrow width.  Since the 
inner chainring is so small, the weight penalty for making it out 
of steel is not that great.  I have heard that the narrow rings help, but
the only real way to prevent chain suck is to plan your downshifting so
that you don't shift under high pressure.

Brian Case
From: johnc@msc.edu (John D. Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cleaning Water Bottles
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:53:22 GMT
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN

Sanitizing water bottles, etc. is a good idea.  However, I don't think
that just tossing in a little bleach and swirling it around is a good
idea (dangerous and probably not effective).

Home brewers sanitize their equipment (fermenters, bottles, etc.) with
a solution of chlorine bleach and water.  A solution of 1/4 cup of
chlorine bleach in 5 gal. water (about 3 CC bleach per liter of water)
makes an effective sanitizing solution.  Soak the unsanitary item in
this solution for at least 5 minutes.  For a water bottle, I'd just
fill the bottle with the solution, but I'd immerse the cap in it some-
how.  For something like a camelback, the tubes, etc. (anything that
the liquid touches) would also have to be soaked.  After the soak,
rinse the now-sanitary items well with fresh water (unless you really
like the taste of chlorine).

Be very careful with full-strength chlorine bleach.  It will destroy
your clothes if it gets on them, and I'd hate to even think about the
damage it would do if it got into your eyes.
-- 
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Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.        Phone: +1 612 626-0277
1200 Washington Ave. S                      FAX:   +1 612 624-6550
Minneapolis, MN  55415
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mbrad@athena.mit.edu (Michael R Bradshaw)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Jul22.163445.1799@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Jul22.193017.3902@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:52:41 GMT

I bought a Zefal Husky ~3 yrs ago and it still works great!
Heavy, but solid as a rock! (Armored is a term that comes
to mind)

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: KDC@helix.nih.gov (Keith Cummings)
Subject: Re: Cannondale Prices
Keywords: Cannondale, Bicycle, Cycling, Bike
Organization: National Eye Institute, National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:14:55 GMT

I recently placed a Cannondale R900 on lay-away.  Bear in mind that prices 
are dropping due to the end-of-model-year clearances AND the fact that some 
stores over bought for the recession.  BUT, the 1993 models should begin to 
go into stores in a few months.  Cannondale has, to my knowledge, CEASED 
selling production frames of the 1992 models.

The MSRP on the R series is (I believe) as follows:

R1000    -  $2400
R900     -  $1340
R800     -  $1090
R700     -  $ 990
R600     -  $ 750

I don't really know for SURE about the lower models.  The R700 - R1000 are 
the Cannondale 2.8 racing frame.  The R600 and below are the 3.0 racing 
frame.  (The C500 is the Criterium Frame, the only Crit frame Cannondale 
still makes).  To VERIFY these prices, check out the Bicycling Magazine 1992 
buyers' guide issue.  Also note that the R700 DOES NOT come with pedals.

Keith D. Cummings
National Eye Institute
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: bike picture?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:22:59 GMT

Does anyone have digitized pictures of a bike (and I don't mean those
stick-figured things some netters have in their signatures - I already
have a small collection of those)?  Preferably riderless, and
uncluttered by background.  PostScript preferred since I want to
print it, but I'd take TIFF, GIF, or PCX.  Thanks in advance.
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Mounting Vetta C-20
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.142710.10178@eng.umd.edu> naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
   So here's a question for those people who have computers on the bike, 
   especially the C-20. Do you think it will be OK w/out the shims?
   Has anyone else had the same kind of difficulties installing these things?


I think the main use for the shims is to keep the sensors from 'slipping'.
In the case of the cadence, in particular, you DEFINITELY don't want it
slipping the wrong way. If it goes to far, the next time the crankarm
comes around, SNAP goes your cadence sensor. The shims shouldn't have
to completely wrap around the inside of the mounting strap to be
effective.

I have this computer and I'm happy with both the price and performance of
the unit. I think the sensor harness could have been designed a little 
better, and egads those silly clear plastic 'wireties' are really chintzy.
I wouldn't expect to use this for too long without some modifications to
the wiring.

Aside from that, I have no complaints. The rear wheel mounting of the sensor
is convenient from the standpoint that I get some output on my computer
when I'm riding a trainer. For the money, I don't think you will get
more features.

MJ
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