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From: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea)
Subject: Re: TT
Reply-To: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net
Organization: ANL A433, Siemens AG., Germany.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:48:24 GMT

John GriffithsMel (johng@syacus.acus.oz.au) wrote:
: 
: Nearly right. The Isle of Man  Mountain course is 37 3/4 miles long. The event 
: is held over a two week period. 
:
: [stuff]
:
: The bikes races have been 50cc to Superbikes (1100cc plus) I don't know the 
: formulas they use now.

The big 1100's (GSXR) got too fast for the course (ie. big PS, poor handling)
that in recent years the big machines have been 750's (RC30, OW01, ZXR etc.).

The course record average for 1 lap passed 121 MPH a few years back on an 
RC30. You have to remember that the roads are pretty standard and not very
wide. Seen in this light the top racers have too be slightly gone to achieve
the speeds they do. The TT is a spectators dream: you stand right by the road
ie., 2-3 meters from the bikes as they pass doing 160+.

To get a feel for the course get the video that was mentioned in an earlier
post. Get a few mates and make an evening of it. We were all swerving in our
chairs as Joey Dunlap was doing the business.

: Its probably still one of the best free events to see, but I'm biased.

It is the BEST event to see. Imagine 30000 (thirty thousand) bikes desending
on small island over a 2 week period. You just live and sleep bikes and 
anything remotely associated with them. Probably the Uk's version of Daytona.
 
The last Sunday of raceweek is called Mad-Sunday as everyone is allowed on
the road circuit to give it a try. Unfortunately over the last few years a
few have spoiled this part of the TT with unsafe and disrespectfull riding
to others. The IoM has (had ?) no speed limits outside of the towns (nice).

Iain

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: How do you wheelie?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:30:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <BONG-161192130422@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
> I remember
>one race where a novice pulled a massive wheelie coming out of the chicane.
>He was black flagged on the next lap for endangering others. When he walked
>to the start-finish to protest the black flag he was booed by all except
>his friends.

  Really.  I know this guy and it was stupid that Barbara (the AFM director)
made him a novice.  He had raced for several years and took a year off to
save some money.  They made him do the new riders school all over again and
be a novice for 6 weekends.  He was spanking a lot of people and was rather
irritated at being forced to be a novice since that meant that he couldn't
race Sundays at Willow.

  About his wheelie ... black flagging him was pathetic.  What the hell is
a racetrack for anyway?  If you wheelie, you wheelie.  This year, Geep 
Terranova launched a real big one at the end of the August F2 race and 
didn't get black flagged.  He even set it down a bit crossed up but
fortunately saved it.  

  I think it was right that Jim protested the black flag.  There's nothing
in the rulebook about wheelies and it was ridiculous that he was a novice 
anyway.  

  End of tirade.

 -Jim
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: what's everybody racing
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.motorcycles.racing, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>> Megacycle valve springs and titanium retainers
>
> Are these the springs commonly called RD springs?

No.  They are diffent springs.  I have the Megacycle setup in my EX,
and 1) I don't think the cam is too radial, as was suggested by the
original postee, and
2) I have had the springs break, ussually lasting less than 10-12 race
weekends.

Rich
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:52:34 GMT

On 17 Nov 92 18:25:25 GMT, ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) said:

W> Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
W> :< a bunch of lame arguments against motorcycles deleted>
W>  
W> : "But my brother's friend's girlfriend's aunt knows somebody who *died*
W> : on a motorcycle!"

W> At least my mother claims to have known people personally that lost legs
W> in motorcycle accidents.  Of course the fact that those accidents occured
W> in the 1930s and probably involved open case primaries isn't relevant to her.

There's a fellow over on misc.handicap who's just about to get an
artificial leg (he's been waiting for his stump to heal up) after
losing his (lower, perhaps) leg this spring on a motorcycle.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."  Unknown US fighter pilot
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: What would you ride on a long distance
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:47:32 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday November 18 1992 14:04, Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher wrote to All:

 >> I even discovered that throttle steering on gravel roads works
 >> quite well -- I once tossed another street bike trying this.

 EG-PC> Throttle steering?
 EG-PC> Sure, on a bike with a sidecar, but on a motorcycle?
 EG-PC> Enlighten me.

You've been bike-less too long, Ed.

Watch Kocinski, Doohan, Rainey, et. al. pouring it on coming off the apexes.
Notice rear tire spinning and slipping? Notice how moto ends up pointing in
the correct direction most of the time (grin). Looks like using the throttle
to make steering inputs to me.

At least, Rainey and Doohan both remarked about this re: their riding styles
this year in Roadracing World. Course, they could just be boasting. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: High speed in USA?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:23:41 GMT

In article <1e8d7uINN6qg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
}The professionals do (which is almost 100% restricted to the CHP where
}you are).  They will write you up for less than your actual speed just
}to keep you from getting *so* pissed off, and to decrease the
}likelyhood that you will contest the ticket in court.  They know that
}in the long run it makes no difference.  If you are a safe rider who
}just happened to let the speedo get away, well, you've got a fairly
}minor reminder.  If you are a speed freak who never rides at the speed
}limit, well, after 3 or 4 tickets your license or your insurance or
}both is going to be yanked, and whether the ticket is for 65 or 75
}makes little difference.

Agreed. I got my first moto ticket the other night here in Sunnyvale
on I-280. I was coming home from class and traffic was doing 70.
I was doing 75-80 in the deserted carpool lane, and a CHP moto cop
picked me up and paced me for a few miles before sneaking up behind
and pulling me. Even though I pulled over to the large left shoulder
(I didn't want both of us wending through skittish 70 mph traffic
across five lanes), which made the cop feel vulnerable, I explained
my logic and he agreeably told me no CHP officer in his/her right
mind would ever object to me going down to the next exit, no matter
how far away it is.

He wrote me up for 70 in a 55 (which I considered kind under the
circumstances), stressed my option to take traffic school and thus
avoid an insurance hike, and at the end thanked me profusely for
being so cooperative. Said they don't get much of that.

Hey, I played the game and lost, and he was reasonable and not at
all a jerk in any way. And since I am one who has been helped by
the cops on numerous occasions, I certainly bear no malice. I am
pretty sure if I had kept it to 70 he would have just given me a
warning.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	  '91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Golden "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: bobby@dc.dk (Bobby Billingsley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:11:21 GMT
Organization: Datacentralen A/S

alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>>
>*I* know someone that lost a leg on a bike. ......

My driving instructor (cage) lost his left leg a few years prior to my
meeting him. He was hit from the side by a cage while riding his MC. Didn't
deter him from going on to be a driving instructor, replacing his bike
with a sidecar job (due to his losing his leg, he wasn't allowed to ride
a solo bike) and carrying on to be a driving instructor for lorry-
drivers! Of course, the agency who had rebuilt his cage for him (microswitch
in gear lever to activate clutch + other extras for the legless) were
a bit concerned about rebuilding a lorry for him to be able to use, but
they managed.

Strikes me as a bit of the old Douglas Bader stuff. So what?.

If you're afraid of heights, you stay near the ground. If you're afraid
of anything, you avoid it - or minimize the risk factor. End of problem.

Of course, if you start ignoring the risks/danger/whatever, you're bound
to either wake up one morning with your mind in a *bad* state, or "just"
make a small mistake with large consequenses.

Since any form of transport other than Mother Natures original intent is
bound to be more risky, why not stick with crawling/walking? If we could
just get *everybody* to do this, then no-one would get hurt in traffic!
Yeah that's it, lets ban all forms of transportation except our own two
feet! Think of it: no insurance fees, no helmet laws, no pollution, no
senseless cagers, no squids, no .......... damn, no *fun*, no convenience,
no thrills.....on second thought let's just "be careful out there", OK?



-- 
:   Bobby Billingsley                   : Remember to love while you dare to   :
:   Datacentralen, Denmark              : remember to live while you do so     :
:   Phone: +45 4371-8122 Ext. 3337      :........................-.Piet.Hein...:
:   E-mail: bobby@dc.dk                 : DoD# 80884 : Ride=Yamaha XJ600, 1986 :
From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:31:34 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Xxdate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:28:56 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <Pg5euB4w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> , emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
writes:
>You too can watch most of this stuff on TV. Get your own satellite dish. 
>There's lots of bike racing.

Getting a dish.  Hmmm.  That's sounds interesting. I don't even know
how that stuff works.   Can you recommend any good sources of 
information?  How do you find out about scheduling?

Maybe you could email me.  (maybe this post should've been email...)

Thanks!

- Mark

>
>Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
>emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
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Novell Inc.			                
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:46:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 49F@quadsys.com, roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>As stated, the argument that a helme impairs
>vision is so obviously and utterly false, it discredits anyone using it.

As a rhetorical device, discrediting a person for using an argument
which one dismisses without any rational argument whatsoever, is so
reprehensible that I immediately discredit anyone who uses it.

:^)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: How to get a manual for an older bike?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:03:53 GMT

I just sold a friend my 1987 Honda Elite 150 (with only 1700 miles
on it -- long story), but for the life of me I can't find the manual
for the thing. Can one go to a Honda dealer and order such a beast?
Are they even in print anymore? Does anyone have such a manual I
could purchase (it has to be the 1987; that's the last year they
used the more expensive water-cooled engine)?

Thanks for any info. And any info on old manuals in general. I have
a service manual for the '81 Maxim, but it doesn't talk about some
more user-oriented things I am interested in, such as recommended
maintenance intervals and loading for various shock settings.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	  '91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Golden "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was: Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:10:32 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <29004.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us
(Dave Williams)  writes:

> Back around '74 or so, Yamaha was showing off a street version of the
>TZ700, the F1 bike that was sooooo bad it could afford to give up 50cc
>to the competition while still stomping it flat.  Four chromed expension
>chambers going into canister mufflers, styling sorta crossed between an
>RD350 and a Radian.  Yamaha mentioned it had been "detuned" down to
>130hp or so, and weighed in at under 500 pounds.

Fuel injected, too.

They killed it because they decided it would have been too
expensive; customers would have died of sticker shock and
fallen in puddles of their own drool.  Draw your own
conclusions about product liability worries over producing
a bike 40% more powerful than anything else then on the road.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: cobra@ziggys.cts.com 619/262-6384 (Ron Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fucking BDI motorcycle drivers
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:43:30 GMT
Organization: Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity, East of East SD CA

marrevola@rediris.es writes:

} In article <1992Nov17.193035.11161@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E.
} > In article <1992Nov17.145950.41@iris-dcp.es> marrevola@iris-dcp.es writes:
} >>In article <1992Nov17.003307.22269@microunity.com>, ericm@microunity.com (E
} >>> In article <1e9bk3INN8tn@roche.csl.sri.com> mhunt@csl.sri.com (Mike Hunt)
} >>>>
} >>>>I have a method that drives tailgaters nuts, but is not
} >>
} >>Who is nuts, you or the tailgater?
} >>
} > [etc. deleted]
} >>
} >>I felt like to do this things many times, and when I was younger I did it, 
} >>Don't you think that you are playing with fire? I just ignore tailgaters (i
} >>not allways easy).
} > 
} > When worst comes to worst, and nothing reasonable gets the tailgater off yo
} > tail, there's always the option of ignoring your superior horsepower/weight
} > ratio, and using your superior brainpower/weight ratio instead.  Pull
} > into a different lane, and slow down enough to force him to pass,
} > then get behind him.  Yes, this wasn't an option in the original scenario.
} > So pull onto the shoulder, slow or stop for a few seconds, to get him
} > ahead of you, and then use your superior accelleration to get you
} > safely back into the traffic flow.
} > -- 
} > Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporat
} > jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
} >         There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
} >        Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
} 
} Thanks God, a responsible guy!!!
} 
} manolo@taf.fundesco.es
} ZX-11
} DR-600-S
} DoD #1033
} 


Jonathan's solution reminds me of a quote from a print shoppe
Maybe it should be a bumper sticker for tailgaiters to read:

A timing error on YOUR part does NOT constitute an EMERGENCY on my part!
  [You're]  Supposed to get there...WHEN???!?!?!
              AHHHAAHAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAAAAHH!!!


              cobra@ziggys.cts.com - BBS (619)262-6384
                 Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Japanese Motorcycle Repair Kit
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:12:29 GMT

In article <28372@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.224801.13113@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp writes:
>>Chris, if there is really nothing wrong with carbon dioxide, do me a favour
>>and put a plastic bag over your head.
>Since I exhale carbon dioxide, that's not a logical suggestion, but
>then as I'm sure you'll explain, you probably meant to say something
>else.
There ISN'T anything wrong with CO2. You just can't absorb oxygen
from it.
-Ekr

-- 
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Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
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                "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: O! Joy and happiness abound in my heart
Keywords: bike Suzuki mine dog
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:20:20 GMT

In article <1471@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten) writes:
>
> Alan F. got to my appartment at ~1930 last night in his pickemup
> truck, and we headed over to the guy's place, tossed the bike in
> the back, and headded back to my place to drop it off.
>
Better mention that you did pay for it first.  I hear bike thieves aren't
well liked in these parts.

> 
> Details: 1982 Suzuki GS 850 GL.  In-line four, DOHC, shaft drive,
> air cooled.  And quite rusty.  The crash bars have been ground
> down on *both* sides, there appears to be some little plastic side
> covers which are broken or missing, the seat needs duct tape, the
> speedo apparently doesn't work, and the tach is missing entirely.
> Two of the four chrome cam shaft covers are broken off, neither
> mirror appears to be original, one or the other of the handgrips
> has been replaced (maybe both), and a partridge in a pear tree.
>
All superficial...`course around these FJ and BMW posers that is rather
dire news.  I figure a tune-up and carb sync are all that is necessary to
have the engine running strong.  Besides, I can't have my riding buddies 
on a bike that looks better than *mine*!  

> Hopefully, I'll take it for a little spin tonight, and tomorrow
> Alan, Troy, and I will get together and watch the rain come down.
> I think I remember some ancient anti-rain ritual which involves
> beer.  I'll try to remember for Saturday.
> 
No wonder it rained all weekend!  You forgot the ritual part.  :-)

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:30:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov12.111854.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>We hadn't, and we saw what we saw.  The question is, were we
>deceived (cleverly, I might add) or is there, in fact at Mercedes motorcycle?

This may have been a special, made for a high-up Mercedes exec. He
claims that the Mercedes logo is justified, because the engine in the
bike was made by some company that was or is part of the Mercedes
empire. He used to ride a BMW, and got fed up with the remarks of his
coworkers.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Suicidal cager
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:15:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2936
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]James Pedlar was apparently attempting suicide by running his
]]car into a large elm tree at high speed in urban Denver.  He ran
...
]]at exactly the wrong time.  Burke was killed instantly.  Ironically,
]
]Better than wishing this person the death penalty (which he might
]desire) perhaps he could be put into the service of the surviving
]family for life.

if one of my family members was killed by a person like this, the last
thing I would want to have to endure is seeing his face around me for 
the rest of my life. the temptation to exact vengance would be to great
anyway.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com

        mcad.dunham-frodo[ 10 ]%make witches\ burn
        Make:  Don't know how to make witches burn.  Stop.
     Ergo, it must be the wizards." -- Jerry Dunham
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:24:27 GMT

serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
               
>If you want to ride without a helmet, fine.  Get the leg. to repeal the helmet 
>laws and go splatter your brains on some highway, I won't stop you. But quit
>trying to justify the fact that you are not being the most intelligent person
>in the world.  I really don't know why the government insists on protecting 
>the less intelligent from themselves any.  I say leave it up to natural
>selection, Darwin WAS right, you know.

Say, just how tall _is_ that horse you're sitting on?

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked