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From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Subject: Try it again, Dan
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:54:04 GMT
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Try changing to Salmonbake93/ now.  ;-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: dem at last! dem at last! thank god almighty...

>     Will Blackmun wait until the end of the term to quit, or announce it
>right off? Justice Cuomo sounds _real_ nice.

The resignation is in Clinton's in-box now.  If Clarence Thomas was not
qualified (harassment aside), what makes Cuomo such a peach?  He's PC?

-K

-Mka
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: God and Dowsing
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	Since you seem to be in a mood to prod people on their beliefs - here's
	one for you: what do you think (uh, believe) about Sheldrake's theory
	of Formative Causation ?  This is a wacko sounding but testable and
	refutable theory of non local reality.  Would you just reject it
	because it sounds obviously out-to-lunch ?

I followed that one closely, because he offered it as a testable hypothesis,
and the first people to test it showed results which seemed to confirm it,
until they were looked at by skeptics with a bit more sense.  I was more
interested in the psychlogy of the rational scientists who couldn't
design bullet-proof tests to save themselves.

To give you a straight answer, yes I did reject it immediately.  But then
*I* don't claim to be a strict skeptic in your mould.

Here's one for you: what do you think (uh, believe) about the Einstein-
Podolsky-Rosen experiments of action at a distance with linked polarized
light particles?

G
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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   You think LBJ was bad--I shook Gary Hart's.


		      Yech.

			   blomberg cepeda


so did "no excuses" donna.

//Gary Hart will never be a Coloradan, he wasn't born there...//

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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: My final words on the flamewar
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On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:31:31 -0600, "Anne Burton Harwell" <harwell@TENET.EDU>
 wrote:
> 2). Judge not lest...
> -abh

Thanks to abh for reminding us all of our mutual responsibilities.
Since she couldn't remember the rest of the scripture, let me save
her the bother of some typing...

Anne H pointed out quite clearly just who is doing the judging here.

Mat 7:1
 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
 measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
 considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of
 thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then
 shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


(This isn't a flame by the way, but a Christian effort to remind Ruth
that she has slipped from the path of righteousness by not following
her Bible to the letter.)

G
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>	I suppose I should introduce myself. I am James Richard Llewellyn,
>	descendant of the first prince of Wales, and consequently, possessor of
>	a tremendous ego problem.
>OK, who's going to start the Roddy Llewellyn/Princess Margaret jokes off?
>
I would if I knew any.  What's a Roddy Llewellyn?  And isn't "Princess
Margaret joke" redundant?  [maybe I shouldn't have said that....oh well]

>
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Subject:      Just what is a fundamentalist, anyway?

Greetings,

I'll just watch this little battle from the sidelines, if that's all right
(although I must admit I have engaged in some occasional verbal Xtian-bashing
from time to time).  I am, though, curious about what makes one a
"fundamentalist?"  In one post or another, Ruth indicated she is not one
(and mentioned they've come in for some bad press recently).  I have
operated under the impression that fundamentalism is characterized by the
belief that the Bible is, in fact, the inspired word of some putative
divine being, and that schisms among fundamentalists reflect disputes (often
fought on linguistic terms) about the meaning of these allegedly divine
words.

Could someone straighten me out on this, please?

Marty (I'm straight, but not narrow)
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Panhandlers
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I noticed fewer panhandlers in Baltimore last week than
we have here in Cambridge. Indeed it is impossible to walk
through Harvard Square without being accosted at least
once. Yet the Baltimoreans seemed more desperate. For
example one night as I made my way to the hotel a man suddenly
emerged from the shadows. He ditched his cigarette and staggered
towards me. He and I were alone in the street, and quickening
my step I wondered if my money was going to be requested or
demanded. "Any change to spare?" he said to me with whiskey
breath as I hurried by. "Please?" he called plaintively into
the cool, dark night. "PLEASE?"
I can still hear him.
Honest to God I would give to these people if I didn't believe
that they would misspend the money. The Lord helps those
who help themselves, they say . . . and yet another proverb
comes to mind which expresses in but five words how a gift
in the moment of need carries twice the impact. Bis dat qui
cito dat. "He gives twice who gives quickly." There was talk
when I was in San Francisco a couple of years ago about
issuing coupons that could be redeemed only for food and shelter.
I wonder if such a program has been implemented, and if so,
whether it has been successful. Bill
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clinton's 'Mandate'
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              Nov 5, 92 6:05 pm

>  Say, is it my imagination or is there a correlation between excessively
>  zealous Christianity and Republicanism?  If there is, why should that be?
>  Do you think it might be genetic?
>
> G

Is this another attempt at fundie baiting, Graham?

rashmi
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Puke on Perot
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Posted on 11 Nov 1992 at 21:35:00 by James R Llewellyn
>I personally feel that Perot would make an ideal President.
  [deleted material]
>3. He's a one-man economic embargo.

What does this mean?

Karen
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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   On Wed, 13 May 1992 20:11:18 CDT Tushar Samant said:
   >Can anyone come up with a nice satisfactory example ?
      PURIFIED/PUTRIFIED
   Peace,
   EPD
   ^^^

Elwood P.!  For some reason, I thought you'd gone missing...

//anne, who else haven't we heard from in a while??//
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      dumping australia

Thanks for the explanation, Carolyn.

> America was going to continue to subsidise exports to our traditional
> Asian markets and by (devoting more resources than Australia devotes)
> cut us out ...

Ah, the dirty little secret gets out.  The United States destroys indigenous
farm economies all around the world.  We have a comprehensive farm price
support system that leads to harvests far larger than even our overweight
population can eat -- we then subsidize some of the exports to Asia, which
hurts the sales of Australia's subsidized farmers, and makes farming
less attractive to Asians, who go into heavy industry instead.  What
our farm policies do to Africa is even more destructive: we *give*
the stuff away as "humanitarian aid."  What rational African would
go into farming when somebody else undercuts the price and calls it
"aid?"

> President Bush ... further upset our farmers by refusing to listen to their
> pleas for consideration of their plight...... brought on by the US selling
> wheat to Asian countrie  at far less than it cost to produce it - either here
> or over there.

This is the same President Bush who just ordered a massive increase
in the tariff on French wines, because the French are selling
agricultural products at subsidized prices, right?  The real howler,
however, was the flap about U.S. rice (no, not Donna) that could not
be displayed at a Tokyo trade fair.  Politicians of both parties
howled loudly about closed Japanese markets and protecting
inefficient farmers.  The real howler is this: U.S. rice paddies are
in parts of California that, but for federal water projects and
preferential rates for agricultural water use, those rice paddies
would be <deserts.>  Many governments have demonstrated an ability
to turn a garden into a desert; only in the States do we turn
deserts into gardens.  If residents of the West paid prices for
water that reflected its scarcity, our Western states would look
very different.

ones that the US are bankrupting by this practice, but the American
> Ambassador's message was that, if anything, subsidies would increase - not
> the news Australia wanted to hear.

Governor Clinton's economic advisors are people who believe in more,
not less, subsidy, tax preference, and regulation of business.  Part of
that will be support for exporting industries.  After all, every other
industrialized democracy does it :-)

Steve Karlson

Who is John Galt?
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Fun for all

Kinder, gentler Agnes hoists her protest flag:

> Ideology? Moi? Not me - just charitable - and pragmatic.

No ideologue you, no ideologue me/The ideologue's that fellow
behind the tree...

>> Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
> Maybe you should heed your own advice, Steve...

Huh?

Steve Karlson
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John Chancellor mentioned tonight that we now have five living ex-presidents,
and that the last time that occurred was in 1861...  Why does that not fill me
with glee?

JMW
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: local big winners

>The big winner in state referenda appears to be term limitations.
>How many of those have passed?
>
>Steve Karlson

Voters are strange beasts.  We had a term-limit question on the
local ballot (we already have a two-term limit on the governor,
though none on state legislations).  Actually, we had 32 city charter
amendments on the ballot, which slowed voting (punch cards, by the
way) to a crawl.  Proposals to put a two-term limit on the mayor and
city council members passed at the same time the voters were
returning the mayor to office for his sixth term.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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> Friends -- did my plea wrt symbolism/reification not get out past eniac, or
> are you all <stumped>, or wh?  Thought I'd have heard from at least
> one pedant by now :-)

I forwarded it to Price Caldwell, who is into things semiotic.  (He has
'nomail' set on the list.)  I'm surprised he hasn't answered.  He loves
questions like that.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Onomatopoeia

>When I was in first year engineering the engineering society's notorious
>rag published the following joke: "Italian snow tires: when they go
>flat they go wop, wop, wop."

Sickest of these, and probably never published: 'Italian helicopters:
First daygo "gini gini gini" and then dago "wop wop wop".'

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies
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: it was the first time la belle Judith had been in Spat's since a tete-a-tete
: with Graham; I would have read something into this, but it _was_ my choice of

Spats... hmmm... was that the burger bar that had no burgers?  Or the
one across the road with the adorable & intelligent <wait-persons>?

G
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question

>of your synapses just will not do. Do go away and come back when you
>have grown up some. Take several lifetimes, if you need to, do.
>A

I don't know as if growing up would help, Agnes.  It apparently has had little
or no effect on you.  How's about you go away for a while.  One lifetime would
be sufficient.

Chris
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   >and kin to the homophobic Oregon one (which was defeated...).  I just can't
   >believe its true that it passed.  So, what exactly did "it" say...anyone?

Just FEI, people from work sent me the wording for both Propositions.
Colorado is a little tamer, verbiage-wise, but just as destructive and
homophobic in fact.

I also got some addresses where people can register complaints: 

[no forwarding headers were included...]

"PLEASE - to show that this kind of systematic, legalized, hatefilled 
discrimination will not be tolerated - boycott Colorado-made products
(the most common of which are probably meat and beer) and Colorado 
tourism (yes, this means skiing).  Additionally, and most importantly,
call the Colorado Tourism Board and express your disdain: (303) 592-5510.

Address of the office of tourism:

  Colorado Office of Tourism
  1625 Broadway Suite 1700
  Denver, CO  80202
  (303) 592-5510

Address of the Colorado Association of Commerce and Industry

  Colorado Association of Commerce and Industry
  1776 Lincoln Street Suite 1200
  Denver, CO 80203
  (303) 831-7411

Breify, the plan of action in response to the new ammendment is to file a
lawsuit.  To be added to the list of people on the adjoining amiscus brief
call the City of Boulder at (303) 441-3090 (you need not be a Colorado
resident)."


If anyone is interested in having me send or post the Propositions, let me
know.  Can't wait to find out what my oh-so-broadminded family friends and
college acquaintances voted. Not.  Needless to say, finding out how people
I know well voted on this measure will inevitably and indelibly influence
my assessment of them... 

//anne, and this from a state where sheep and cattle are afraid to go to
sleep at night...//
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: another lame unix question
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prep.ai.mit.edu, probably.
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Grungy city
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Ruth on the can of worms in downtown Hartford:

>  If you've never
>driven I-91 and I-84 in downtown [no bypass] you've never
>been on the worst >interstate in the world. [. . .grins deleted]
>the 91/84 interchange has been rated as one of the ten
>worst in the USA, and it's near the top of the list.

I-84 was obsolete the day it was opened to traffic. There is
a story that when 84 was completed in the mid-60s, the road's
engineers invited some bigwigs from Washington up to Connecticut
for a ride on the new highway. It was readily apparent that the
road was extremely poorly designed, and the Washington types
were so insulted that they headed back home immediately, not
bothering to attend the opening ceremonies.
Bill
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Back to Nov 5

> Several people responded...Nov 5 is Guy Fawkes Day, "celebrating"
> the failed plot to bomb Parliament in...what year?

1605.

> love, judith

Emily (who just got back from seeing "Passenger 57" - don't waste your time)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks
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:As for the mechanics of citing an electronic communication, I suspect they
:must be derived from the practices that are used in citing other kinds of
:nonpublished communications, such as snail correspondence.  Apart from
:that, I think the rules are no different than those that govern any
:other sort of scholarly or formal communication.  It is unethical to use
:others' words without giving appropriate credit.

Oh *goody*!  The project-h debate all over again :-)

G
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>From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
>
>[details of bc's new mug deleted]
>
>Any suggestions for future coffee cups? Gee, Frank, what would the Orthodox
>one be, Shit only happens if my controller says so?  8->

Huh?  Whussa controller?  You mean "ober-prokurator"?  Or am I missing
something?

>(Is there a half-
>serious, half-ironic smiley?)

:-/  perhaps?  BTW, I meant to reply to your last posting on the
anniversary of Velikij Okt'abr' (that's Great October, Akio), but
was called away in the middle of doing so and lost the response.
I think it is better suited for the RUSSIA list in any case.  And
if you want to take it up in person, you are always welcome to
toss down vodka with us at Slavdom.

>                             b.c.

Frank
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

> I had my reservations about asking Graham what a whole country of
> fairly normal people sees the results.

What did you think of it, Tushar? You still qualify as "international."

-abh
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>- RobyMeister (why is my nickname longer than my name, Czarina?)

	TRADITION!  Btw, I always wondered whether you were the system
administrator Mike lit into on behalf of Bruce Fancher.

Rita


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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:02:00 EST, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM wrote:
> How did I miss this?  Of course the attacks were ad hominem.  Graham
> at one point during the height of the Project H fiasco, suggested that
> Jim Thomas and I were lovers.  No, I did not save the posting, but I'm
> sure it exists someplace, and I don't feel libeled or slandered: merely
> educated....

I may have suggested you were licking his arse, or that you had got
into bed with him, but I'm sure it was meant figuratively :-)

G
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Subject:      Re: California makes history!

>	Graham, Torkel, Akio, Tony, Carolyn - how are other countries
>	seeing these results?
>
>Delighted to see Democracy has been restored in your fine country.

I had my reservations about asking Graham what a whole country of
fairly normal people sees the results.

tushar