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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:57:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <6960@news.duke.edu>, ds4@teer17.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
> performance to himself and not the talent of his opponent.  This is what occured 
> during the Miami UA game.  Even after the game, everyone thought Arizona was a
> bad team, and it was Miami's fault that the game was that close.  One time my

No everyone did not think that. And those who did have quickly changed
their minds in recent weeks.

> never come close....just like if Miami and UA played again, the game would not be
> close.

I agree. Arizona is playing much better now and would likely beat up on
Miami pretty well - if they beat Washington by 13 at home I'd say a 3-6
point win at Miami.

Aren't you the guy who tried to claim that Arizona was a dirty team a
few weeks back? I found it interesting that the lineman who Arizona
injured and knocked out for the season from Miami sent a letter to
the team before the Washington game saying that he knew the injury
was not intentional and that he had no ill feelings towards the
cats - of course he also told them to go out and beat Washington and
prove to the country how good they were...

> I agree, but I do not think Arizona is at Miami's level.

 You don't get it do you? I asked you this once and I forgot your answer - howe
many times have you seen Arizona play this season? I assume not many
as you would be aware of how awsome their defense is. They have played
a schedule second to none and have been successful not due to a series
of flukes or teams who did not get up for them but because they have
probably the best defense in college today, superb special teams, and
an offense which has proven that it can control the clock against 
every opponent.


			gln
From: rcaswell@eng.auburn.edu (Robin V. Caswell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: rcaswell@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article RREYNOLD@ua1vm.ua.edu, RREYNOLD@ua1vm.ua.edu (Robert F. Reynolds) writes:
>  
> In article 13233@infonode.ingr.com, knightb@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (William B. Knight) writes:
>  
> >You also must ask these questions:
> >
> >a) What is Eric Ramsey getting out of this ? (USA Today reported that Ramsey and
> >   his lawyer, the Honorable(sic) Donald Watkins feel "vindicated"...of WHAT???
>  Good point.  You might also find it interesting that Donald Watkins is also
> a good friend of Birmingham mayor Richard Arrington, besides being his lawyer,
> AND both Ramsey and his wife are on his (Arrington's) payroll.  Makes you
> wonder if Arrington is not taking a little revenge out on Auburn for moving
> the Iron Bowl out of town.  I wouldn't put it past Arrington.  (Then again,
> I wouldn't put paying a player past Pat Dye either.)
>  
>   -Rob
>  
>  Robert F. Reynolds                            rreynold@ua1vm.BITNET
>  Seebeck Computer Center                       rreynold@ua1vm.ua.edu
>  The University of Alabama                     rob@buddha.us.ua,edu
>  Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35486


AHAH! Just one of the many "rumors" I referred to at the end of my post. I have heard this numerous times in the past year and a half, but could never substantiate it-even
though it all seemed to fit together. I heard it from some pretty reliable sources,too;
Lawyers, doctors, and businessmen.

--Robin
From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Am I alone here or what?
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:14:06 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1dhaaiINN5d9@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
> Are there any other Wisconsin (or other schools) fans who just wants to puke
> because of the offensive play-calling? UW can run the ball on Mich State, but
> they just refuse to pass. No first down passes on about a 50-yard drive to
> open the game which resulted in a field goal. Then on 3rd-and-10, Alvarez
> calls a draw. AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Pass the fucking ball on first down sometimes!!!!!!!
> 
> Sorry, I'm just going crazy.
> 
> --salty
> 
> p.s. Do any of you fans of Pac 10 teams have this problem?  

	We've had that problem for the past 5 years here at Utah State. 
Granted, this is a long haul from Big-Time football, but "Ground" Chuck Shelton
kept our offense in one big long epileptic fit.  Last year we lost our season
home opener to San Jose St. (who was picked to win the Big Worst (West)
conference) because of "Overconfidence".  Brilliant!  This excuse is so
understandable when looking at our first three games.  We were outscored about
120 to 3.  (That's no shit!)
	Out went the old Chuck and in with the new, Chuck Weatherby from
Arkansas.  Play calling has led to some very entertaining games this year.  I
think it accurate to say that even the Gods weep for Pacific, whose once potent
offense seems to be going into a seizure....Thanks to Shelton. 
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: Some comments
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:45:11 GMT

In article <10NOV199219213819@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>In article <1dilgtINNf3q@agate.berkeley.edu>, grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes...
>>It may be heresy to say this, but a good reason not to have a national
>>playoff system is that it's just not that important.  College football
>>should be done for the advantage of the players and schools involved.  It's
>>not clear that there'd be an advantage, and I think there'd be a
>>disadvatnage, if you destroyed the bowl system in the process.
>
>>Now, you may say, "what about basketball?"  Well, the NCAA tournament is
>>the bowl system of college basketball.
>
>So, why can't the bowl system be the tournament of college football?
>
>Currently, roughly 38 teams get bowl bids.  Thus I propose a 32 team 
>tournament.  The current season ends on Nov 28 for most teams (except for 
>the Army-Navy game).  A 32 team tournament would include 31 games over five 
>weeks.  Within the EXISTING bowls, a playoff could be structured as follows
>: <rounds using existing bowls on 5,12,19, and 25 December>
>  <Rose Bowl for national championship on New Years Day>
>
>       <lots of logistical stuff deleted>
>
>This preserves the tradition of the bowls, preserves the tradition of New 
>Year's Day, and still determines a true National Champion.  And as far as 
>money goes, I have to think there's more to be made in a system like this 
>than what we have now.

I see a couple of problems with this system:

     1)  Playoff rounds the first three weekends of December.
         Remember that these players are also (primarily?!) 
         STUDENTS and have strange things like FINAL EXAMS
         to worry about at that time of year.

     2)  It may preserve YOUR tradition of New Years Day by 
         having one lone bowl game.  Not mine!  I find a 
         certain tradition in shaking off the New Years Eve 
         cobwebs while watching the Rose Bowl Parade in the 
         morning then settling down to a full afternoon and
         evening of football where several teams go home with 
         their heads held high because they WON A NEW YEARS 
         DAY BOWL GAME!!!

Finally, I just do not think it is that important for the fans 
and the MEDIA to know conclusively who the national champion is!

Awaiting the many flame postings...

Ron

                           wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC Bowl Picture (Re: What's the Bowl picture?)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:56:04 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov5.023114.22386@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>
>Citrus takes the winner of the ACC versus whoever.
>
The ACC doesn't have the Citrus deal any more. 

The winner of the ACC (Florida State) will go to either the Orange, Sugar,
Cotton or Fiesta Bowl as part of the Bowl Coalition. 

According to the paper this morning, the following are some of the
other possibilities in the ACC:

- The second place team will go to either the Blockbuster, Gator, John
Hancock or Fiesta.

- The Peach Bowl will take a third ACC team, but not necessarily
the third place team. Virginia is considered a leading candidate here,
but they must beat NC State and Virginia Tech.

- The NC State-Virginia game will be scouted by the Hall of Fame, Peach
and Blockbuster Bowls

- Georgia Tech could still finish in a tie for second or third in the
ACC, but they are 5-3 and according to the paper, Jones is out for at
least a week with a separated shoulder. 

- Clemson must win all of it's remaining games to be eligible for a bowl.  



-- 
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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu>, 
rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
> 
>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
> 
>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>team in their home stadium?
> 
>		- inquiring minds want to know
> 
>			rob
> 
> 
> 
I'm anything but a cane fan but it's obvious that Miami would choose to play 
Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl because, even though unbeaten, A&M is nowhere near 
the team that Nebraska is. Just look at any of the power rating systems that 
take into account strength of opposition. Sagarin has Nebraska # 1 and A&M much 
lower. The interesting posibility occurs if both Alabama and Texas A&M lose. 
Will Miami stay home to play Nebraska or go to the Fiesta Bowl to play ND, the 
team they claim to want to play so badly.
From: morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:18:09 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov10.154602.26191@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
|> What happens if Syracuse beats BC but loses to Miami, as expected?
|> Where does Syracuse (at 9-2) go bowling?  Reportedly, Joe Paterno
|> has rejected Syracuse as an opponent for the Blockbuster Bowl.

If Syracuse finishes as one of the two highest-ranked second-place teams
in the Big East, ACC, SWC, PAC-10, and Big-8, they will get a first-tier
spot in the Bowl Coalition.  With the present rankings, they would be
playing in the Fiesta.

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money)
Subject: Re: The mood in Columbus about Cooper
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:49:35 GMT

>> Are people still all over his case or are they just waiting with
>> bated breath for the next loss so they can scream bloody murder once more?
>
>     Depends on who you talk to. Some people have the first attitude; some 
>people have the second. He doesn't have many hard-core defenders out here.
>
>>I'd like to think that if the Buckeyes were able to go 9-3 that people would
>>lay off his case for awhile.

Remember, Cooper still has a horrendous record against teams with winning 
records.  Though this may be Cooper's "best" season, he's only beat two
teams with winning records, Syracuse and Bowling Green, right?  Beating
Syracuse was obviously a major feat, but anybody could have coached Ohio
State over Louisville, Bowling Green, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern,
and Minnesota.  And anybody, except Cooper, should have been able to 
coach the Buckeyes to victories over Illinois and Wisconsin. The Buckeyes
are a very talented team, and could realistically be undefeated.  On the
other hand, with Cooper coaching, Ohio State could easily have been 5-4.

Can anybody recall exactly what Cooper's record is against teams with 
winning records?

Dean.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions 11-14
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:11:04 GMT

ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com wrote:      I'll take:
: 
: Texas A&M   13                    A&M +28
: Houston     41
: 
: Penn State  41
: Notre Dame  27                    ND +14
: 
: Arizona     51
: USC         20                    USC +31
: 
: Colorado     6                    CU +25
: Kansas      31
: 
: Syracuse    13                    SU +25
: BC          38
: 
: Oregon St.  23
: Washington  24                    UW -1
: 
: Temple       8
: Miami        9                    UM -1
: 
: Illinois    13
: Michigan    10                    UM +3
: 
: Nebraska    41                    NU -6
: Iowa State  35
: 
: Tulane      16
: Florida St. 17                    FSU -1
: 
: SMU         38
: Texas       21                    UT +17
: 
: Baylor       3                    BU +13
: Rice        16
: 
: Ohio State   3                    OSU +24
: Indiana     27
: 
: Wake Forest 41
: Ga. Tech    21                    GT +20
: 
: Comments please.

Are you serious???  Tell me which of these games you want to
bet me on, and for how much money!!!  
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:36:11 GMT

  Scott Davis writes:

>First, Alan already mentioned about Mason being gone.  If the OhioSt
>coaching position opens up, then I would think Mason would probably
>take it.  Rumor has it, that he has this clause in his contract.

     I'm not so sure about that. Rumors I've heard in Columbus say two other
things:

     (1) That Mason might be put off by the intense scrutiny and criticism that
Buckeye coaches are subjected to. Even Woody Hayes got booed frequently. By all
accounts I've heard, Jayhawk fans love Mason. Unless he believes that KU has
peaked this year, he may decide to stay.
     (2) Gary Blackney, the head coach at Bowling Green, wants the OSU job
pretty badly.

     I'm not making any predictions here -- just pointing out some other
possibilities. And if Cooper beats Michigan and wins a bowl game, who knows
what will happen with him. It's all up in the air right now.

                                       Steve
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:36:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.113259.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>So, I still think they'll lose at least one of MSU/Auburn/(probably)
>Florida.  I think your keys to MSU's chances are correct; they have to
>throw successfully enough to keep Bama's defense from loading up against
>the run, 

    The problem with this theory is that Alabama doesn't "load up"
against anything.  The pass rush is the 3 or 4 down linemen and the
rest of the defense just lines up and says "bring it on".

>make a first down or two on most possessions to keep their
>defense from wearing out, and stop Bama's running game.

    Talk about your tall orders!

>(Don't worry
>much about the passing game.  Someone's comments about Dennis Rodman's
>offensive basketball skills applies equally well to Jay Barker's passing
>skills -- "You could leave him alone in the gym all day, and he still
>couldn't score 20 points!".)

    Let's see, that would be the same Jay Barker who ripped Ole Miss
for almost 400 yards passing in route to a 31 - 10 victory when they
decided not to worry about the passing game, wouldn't it?  I, along
with Alabama's receiving corps I'm sure, sincerely hope that MSU
leaves the passing game out of the equation.
    
--
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   ***  A hurricane is a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.  ***
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
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	<sHB=cC+@engin.umich.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:25:31 GMT


	1. Kaufman dropped punt returns twice and lost the ball once.

	2. Kaufman lost the ball becaused his arm hit one of his lineman.

	3. Shelly (Frosh) had the ball in his hand for a 30-40 yard gain and 
	the ball mysteriously flow out of his hand and poped into the air, it 
	turned into an interception.  BTW, Shelley looked really good 
	catching the ball.  The boy can really fly!  Brunell threw the ball
	perfectly into his arm.  It had a touch down written all over it.
	But the Woof God interevened ...   

	4.  Bad exchange from the center to the quarterback, Brunell. 

Let's see, #1, a UW mistake, but no points for the UA, as Malauulu
just plain dropped the ball.

#2, most likely a UW mistake, but it still could've been an aggressive
    D, so arizona 2, uw 1

#3  Err, didn;t Shelly get his head knocked off as soon as he touched it?
    Let's call that an arizona play, not a uw mistake.

#4  The bad xchange was late in the game. Most likely the center hurried
    the snap in an attempt to get the jump on the Cat's D, who pounded
    the Huskies all day.

Give credit where it's due. Good teams make the other team make mistakes.

--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
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From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: #1 resolved!
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:41:04 GMT

Well, looks like Alabama is #1... NOT! I hope Miami doesn't wimp out and
stay home over New Year's Day.
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
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From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: I do Stand corrected!
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:38:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc. Plano, Tx.

Well, I stand corrected! The big 3 (Mich,Bama,Miami) are all only
playing IA schools. Never let it be said I can't take what I give, so
heap abuse if you like.

BTW, Tide will Roll over Miami in the Sugar Bowl.

I love the fact that the Aggies' mouths watering over the fact that 
their God Jackie Sherill will beat Alabama, and looking past Texas, 
wating for Miami, HA!

That means they won't even be in the cotton bowl cuz UT will have 
upset them.




Go Eagles, Roll Tide, M Go Blue.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:33:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.171026.25235@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com  
(Debra Sullivan) writes:
> what wimps those Irish are!  God knows they should get anything they
> want.  I would love to see them play Miami but I know it will never
> happen, Miami would KILL them.

Probably with a switchblade.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rrandolp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rich Randolph)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:14:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.172813.8646@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:

>Of course, Cooper probably isn't going anywhere.  The only way I see him
>being forced out is if he loses all the rest of the games to finish 7-5.
>That's not likely to happen (although another 8-4 is a real possibility).
>
  I have no idea whether or not Cooper will be back next year, but it
 should be noted that all the rumors are about Cooper leaving VOLUNTARILY.
 The rumors either claim he will leave to go to Arkansas or that a group
 of boosters will offer him big money to "retire". I personally don't 
 think Gee would fire him, even if we collapse against Michigan and in
 a bowl, but there are times when I have to wonder if Cooper wishes he
 were elsewhere and if the opportunuity came up ...


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's coaching career
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.201536.3110@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>     I hate to sound ignorant here, but has Lee Corso ever coached a college 
>team, and if so, what team and when?
>     Thanks!

	It's been a while, so I could see why someone would have forgotten
	this coaching legend's career...

	He coached at Louisville, geez, in the late 1960s, then was at
	Indiana from I think 1971 through 1982.  He had a few teams
	that were decent, and went to and won the 1979 Holiday Bowl over
	Marc Wilson and BYU (a late punt return for a TD in a high-scoring
	game).  His overall record was awful, though...  The best part
	about having Corso at IU, besides the losses, was his TV show with
	Chet Coppock.  He *was* funny...

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