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From:         "Donna Foley (813) 974-4034 S/C 574-4034" <DBEABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: St. Petersburg, Florida
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For SARA at SUNY Plattsburg

Here are some general ideas since I'm not into the club and bar scene.
Get the local Friday newspaper for the entertainment guide for more details.

In St. Peterburg check out The Pier, an inverted pyramid structure on the
bayfront.  It has shops, an aquarium, Columbia Restaurant (eat there at
lunch, it's less then, specialties Spanish cuisine/some seafood), and
a bar on the observation deck level.  On the weekends the Vinoy park area
sometimes has special activities.

North of St. Pete is Tarpon Springs, interesting for its Greek hertitage,
Pappa's restaurant is well known, it serves Greek and seafood entrees,
moderate prices.

In Seminole is a nice restaurant called Jesse's Landing.  It has several
different dining rooms with a nice atmosphere, it is built to resemble
a Victorian style house.  (On Park Blvd.)

There are many places along the Pinellas Beaches with interesting looking
bars and good seafoods restaurants.

Starting at the north end of the beaches here are a few suggestions:
Indian Rocks Beach - Hamlin's Landing
                     Hungry Fisherman - reasonable prices
John's Pass        - There are several shops, restaurants, etc on the
                     north side of the pass.
                     South side of pass has a restaurant called the Kingfish
                     or the Kingfisher, good seafood, reasonable prices.
St. Petersburg Beach The Hilton has a revolving bar that is a nice spot
                     to enjoy drinks and watch the sun set.
                     Summer's Landing (next to the Hilton) nice restaurant
                     directly on the beach, another nice place to enjoy
                     watching the sun set.
Pass-a-grille        The area south of the DonCesar (the big pink hotel)
                     has the Hurricane Restaurant famous for its grouper
                     sandwiches.

It's not all retirement in St. Petersburg, you just need to look around
a little.  Check the yellow pages under restaurants for more ideas.

Donna Foley dbeabak@cfrvm
Tampa, Florida
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:57:23 TUR
From:         WIDDKB85@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Blowing away Teddy Ruxpin
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In regard to Aaron's review of FAO in New York City.


Now, Aaron, I think you got a little carried away about the music at FAO
Schwartz.  I don't think that you want to do anything to cute little Teddy
Ruxpin.  Next time just hide in the Leggo room, ok?:*)

Talk to you soon-
Peace and (to answer the many questions) CREAMY Peanut Butter-

Kathleen
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 92 16:19:00 EST
From:         WISH1165@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      Spring Break
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I am a college student planning to go away with friends for spring break.
The only problem is that we don't really know what our options are or what
is available to us. We have a somewhat limited cash flow but not really.
We are an active group and participate in many activities and are not
afraid to try new things. Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
perhaps cautions?  Anything would be of help. Thanks.
                                        Jill
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              08 Nov 92 18:01:35 -0800.
              <9211090211.AA06160@archsci.arch.su.EDU.AU>

Someone commented:  Why is it that every message that you post is negative?

I don't believe Dave posts negative messages, on the contrary, he posts
regular and helpful messages about places, especially, I've noticed
about San Francisco which lots of people seem to repeatedly ask
questions about. Keep up the good work, Dave and don't take it to heart.

BTW, when I travel, I tend to use shower gel as this eliminates the
whole problem of soap and soap containers which crack/leak/open in your
toiletries bag and smear soap goo on everything else there.:-)

 -- Tmne
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Tmne Sperling                      Voice: +61-2-692 4031
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From: AG9021@BROCK1P.BITNET (Aaron M. Gold)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 00:55:08 GMT
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  Excuse me, but responding to comments by Dave Comberg, et al...

  (Excuse me, Gomberg. This editor bites!)

  What could someone possibly find unappealing about a bar of soap?
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 92 07:29:39 PST
From:         Eric Fenster <efenster@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      French train fares soar
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 Part of the lore of Reaganomics has been hiding tax increases under such
euphemisms as "revenue enhancements."  The French National Railways, SNCF,
has also indulged in this form of financial trickery in the last decade.
 French train fares used to be strictly based on a per kilometer charge.
With the first high speed TGV trains came the first trick.  The fare from
Paris to Lyon was the same in classic and TGV trains, but the new rail
line was 90km, about 20%, shorter--and a paid seat reservation was
obligatory.
 After the inauguration of the TGV Atlantique, a four-level supplement &
reservation policy was extended across the country with higher charges on
trains with higher demand.  The "yield-management" types were let loose on
France! A reservation/supplement now ranges from $3.20 to $16.00 in 2nd
class, or even $22 if a trip requires travel on both TGV lines. This can
translate, for example, to a supplement between Paris and Bordeaux of up
to 30%.
 Fares are no longer calculated by kilometer and are digressive with
distance, but there's a new hitch.  Across Europe, one can make unlimited
stopovers during a train trip. That was true in France, too, until a few
months ago; now stopovers are forbidden, and that benefit of digressive
fares has been taken back.
 Recently, France introduced reduced advance purchase prices, called JOKER
Fares--a break at last in the rigid fare structure. There were big
discounts for tickets bought 45 days ahead, smaller reductions when bought
15 days ahead. The honeymoon was short. On 27 Sept 92, fares on some
routes went up as much as 20%.  Is this why they were called Joker fares?
 Finally, the Inter Rail card which allowed European youth to travel at a
fixed price (like the Eurail Pass) is being abandoned, largely on the
argument that it's "old" and it's time for a change.  In its place, the
SNCF is offering a youth card which allows 5 days of unlimited travel in
France for about $153. To make that pay, compared to ordinary fares, one
would have to spend much of the 5 days in a train.  These cards, with
their 5-day limits, would be absolutely worthless for people coming from
the north and, say, transiting France on the way to Italy and south (or
vice versa).
  What a way to encourage young people to learn about another country!
Worse, it would be necessary to buy such a card for each country visited.
 Meanwhile, the SNCF continues to pretend that its regular fare increases
are just a few points above the 3% inflation level.
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From:         William Mygdal <MYGDALW@BAYLOR.BITNET>
Subject:      UNSUBSCRIBE ME, DAMMIT!
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I don't know what the problem is, but I can't get the Listserv to recognize
that I'm on this list and you seem to have ignored my last request to be
unsubscribed from this list.  I used the receive command to check  for myh
name on this list, and found that I (Deborah Ader) *am* listed, with the
e-mail address of MygdalW@Baylor.ccis.Baylor.Edu.  So PLEASE take me off
this list.  I am sorry to add to the already heavy flow of mail will this
request.  However, I will continue to post this daily until you remove me
from the list.  Debbie
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:40:37 CST
From:         C432934@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cruise/Bahamas/Disney/MGM ???
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I've never been on a cruise but Epcot is fantastic.  Take at least two days for
 Epcot--skip Disneyland unless you have very small children <under 10)--MGM{
 is ok for a half day or so.  Sea World is close if you have extra time and
can get there--worth a day.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:18:59 TUR
From:         GODWIN@FRMNVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Thanks for hints re: GC/Bryce/Zion
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Thanks to all those who made suggestions on my upcoming trip to the Grand
Canyon/Bryce/Zion (oh, and Albuquerque, too). 2 weeks from today I'll be
gazing at the Grand Canyon and thinking of you all! (yeah, right)

Your input was invaluable.
Rose Mary Godwin     Furman University     GODWIN@FRMNVAX1
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From:         nd26 <Nancy_R_DEUEL@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      European xenophobia??
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In a few words, don't worry about it. There are enough tourists from every
part of the world in Europe that everyone is completely used to them. Forget
your fears and enjoy the people. If you are enjoying yourself and
appreciating the country that you are visiting, that comes across to the
people that you meet. Everyone loves to show off their homeland.

One thread that has been coming through lately in the shower discussions...
IF YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO BE LIKE IT IS AT HOME, DON'T LEAVE!!!

There are many things in traveling anywhere that may strike you as sources
of irritation. One thing that annoys American travelers in Europe is that
the pace, and style, of service is much different there. Do not expect the
same type of restaurant service you get in this culture--take it easy and
leisurely! Temperamental and demanding tourists from the US quickly earn the
title "Ugly Americans".

The French, of course, have a world-wide reputation of snobbery. I
personally interpret it just like I do New England snobbery--it's not so
much that they look down on other peoples, it's that they love their own
land and heritage--and rightfully so. It will help alot to take a course in
French before you go. Even though you won't win any points for butchering
their lovely language, it always helps to arrive prepared!













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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:52:09 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MESSAGE
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>Date sent:  8-NOV-1992 19:33:59
>  PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME ABOUT A NEW AND
>EXCITING PLACE TO TRAVEL IN THE WORLD????????????????

Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this
is new? it hath been already of old time, which was
before us.

Ecclesiastes, I, 10.

:-)  judith
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              08 Nov 92 19:35:00 -0500.
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>
> Date sent:  8-NOV-1992 19:33:59
>   PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME ABOUT A NEW AND
> EXCITING PLACE TO TRAVEL IN THE WORLD????????????????


Come to Australia! Sydney is a wonderful and (at the moment) *very*
sunny city! Summer has begun and everyone has smiles on their faces. :-)

You can spend days on the beach or bushwalking or shopping or cruising
around the Harbour on your yatch - whatever takes your fancy!

If this isn't helpful, try being more specific with your questions! :-)

 -- Tmne
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Tmne Sperling                      Voice: +61-2-692 4031
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University of Sydney               Internet: tmne@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
NSW 2006 Australia                 Time: GMT + 10 hours
From: FACN34A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Dean)
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Subject: Re: TEDDY RUXPIN REPLY
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:50:57 GMT
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>I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH, DO EITHER OF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY
>SUGGESTIONS ABOUT SPRING BREAK '93?  I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO OR WHAT TO DO
>.
>HELP!!!!
>                   -JENN-AT SUNYP

Jenn,

Try South Padre Island in Texas.
A combination of wild nightlife with a lovely beach; a lonely beach a few miles
North and Mexico not far South.
                                  Dean


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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:31:03 PST
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Great Unwashed
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Howard, are you saying that soap is a waste of time but Hawaii isn't?

If so, that seems like a very individual view.  I am sure polite society
would crash in many fewer days if soap were eliminated that if Hawaii
were.  Not, of course, that I am advocating elimination of either.   Dave

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
Seven Gateview Court, San Francisco CA 94116-1941
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Subject: RE: Kauai,hawaii
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:34:57 GMT
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A note for those of you interested in going to Kauai.  A friend of
mine lives there and he called me recently to say they had been
hard hit by hurrican Iniki and that weeks afterward they were
still without power, phones, etc.  Probably better to visit other
islands that weren't hit for now.
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Stupid question!!!

Be more specific!!!

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Subject:      Re: The Great Unwashed
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Howard, are you saying that soap is a waste of time but Hawaii isn't?

No, Dave, you said that.  I just said that the soap discussion had
gone on overlong, had gotten stupid and was a waste of time.  I
also asked that subject headings be filled in so that if people,
as is their right, wanted to continue lathering on, others could,
at least, skip the nonsense.
                                        Howard
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From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wine Shipment from France to USA
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              4 Nov 92 20:05:49 +0100 from <dacier@LAAS.LAAS.FR>

Re shipping wine:  Marc, my guesses suggest about 2 tons of wine, so air
shipment is out.  That leaves sea, and either a passively temp controlled
container or an active one.  Since the volume of your shipment is pretty
small compared to the size of a container, I would try to get my wine
packed inside someone elses container, and just rely on the thermal ballast.
I have no idea what it costs to ship a container, but I would guess a few
thousand dollars.  Actually, now that I think what a container costs, maybe
air on a space-available basis wouldn't be so bad.  I suggest you start with
getting air quotes and container quotes.  I suspect the cost may rule out
one approach or the other.   Good luck, and let us know how you did.  Dave

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
Seven Gateview Court, San Francisco CA 94116-1941
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:11:13 CST
From:         ST7759@SIUCVMB.BITNET
Subject:      memphis
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I am looking for info on Memphis.  Can anyone recommend a good weekend
itinerary?  Unfortunately that's all I'll have time for.  Thanks.
--Alex (ST7759@SIUCVMB (bitnet) or ST7759@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (internet))     :-)
(Please reply directly)
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:59:23 TUR
From:         WIDDKB85@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Info on Ireland
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Hostels and things to do in Ireland

Lately I have seen two postings for information on Ireland and I would love to
help.  My name is Kathleen and I have been to Ireland about seven times (my mom
is a Cork native).  Usually I stay with family, but this last time I did the
hostel thing while I was in Dublin.  Kinslay Houses in Dublin and Cork are
reasonable and the staff is friendly in suggesting places to eat and things to
do.  Plus there are several more 'permanent' residents in the Dublin house who
are willing to give some helpful hints.

I would love to write more, but I am late for a class.  I erased the original
postings so, if the two people who wrote would like to send me another letter,
I would be glad to even photocopy some booklets and send them in the post to
you.  Just write to my address listed in the posting...

Peace and Peanut Butter -
Kathleen
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:26:29 EST
From:         David Shank <DSHANK@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      St. John
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One last call for info on places to see or go on Saint John in the U.S. virgin
islands.

        Thanks !!!!!!
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From:         Christine Kleinmann <KLEI8706@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trip To Italy
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Date sent:  11-NOV-1992 18:05:30

Thanks to all of you who helped me out with my plans to go to Italy!!!!
Wish me luck.  Thanks again! :> Chris
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>
>Well Chris,  if funds are minimal you may find it a bit of a
>problem flying directly to Italy.  Current Canadian price hovers
>somewhere around $900(rome).  An alternative may be to fly into
>London and then take a train or inter-European flight to a destination
>in Italy.  What do you want to see?  Art? Sights?  If you are limited
>to two weeks I would suggest a limited itinerary of two or three stops.
>Florence-Sienna-Rome is always a good trip.  The key is to avoid the
>Contiki 18 countries in 10 days experience.  When I travelled by
>motorcycle through Italy in March the climate was temperate.
>It was seldom sunny but never below about 50 degrees fahr.
>It does like to drizzle at this time of year.  There are youth hostels
>which are a little more expensive than England and usually crowded.
>A pensione might be an alternative as some hostels are well off the
>beaten track and bus service is sometimes difficult to decipher.
>What else?  Watch yourself on night trains and don't let gypsy
>children get within three feet of you.  It isn't their fault that
>they are thieves but five seconds of North American sympathy could
>see you lose your money and, more importantly, your documents.
>Is any of this useful?  Hopefully Mr. Bauer won't take offense.
>
>Darcy G.
>UofT
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