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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: Re: Carry-isms (was Re: Shoot Harry)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:30:15 GMT

>> 	Two Harry classics on Saturday:  Harry had Buck Henry pitching
>> for the Houston Astros.
>Not to mention the Astros' left-fielder: Pete In-ca-VIG-lia
>(pronouncing the G!). Brother.

ug.  i saw that game.  he pronounced the g every time, about five times
in two minutes, even though his partner pronounced it correctly in
between.  it even seemed like his partner was trying to point it out
to harry without saying "yo idiot.  no g." 

and what about the first game of the series.  "it could be... it
might be... it is!!!" as the ball falls into gerald young's glove
in left field.  "a home r...  oh...  young makes the catch.  i thought
it was out of here."  hello?!  those white dots flying over the dome
fence are your brain cells bursting, not cubbie home runs.

i'm sorry, but the guy makes me sick.  i usually turn off the volume
during innings 1-3 and 7-9 when the 'stros play on WGN.  the first
three innings are bearable, but by 7 he is so tanked that he is long
gone.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: horj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Eric Scheirer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Carolina League (A) All-Star Roster
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:37:27 EDT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <mcmath-220792104140@mcmathmac.nlm.nih.gov>,
mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes: 

> For those of you interested, here is the All-Star roster for the Carolina
> League (class A ball), from the Washington Post of July 22:
.
.
.
> 
> p Bruch Prybylinski   Prince William  

I don't know about anyone else, but this guy makes my all-name first team
hands-down.  I think he's likely on David Tate's "lonely list".  

-- 
Eric Scheirer -- Cornell University, Ithaca, NY -- (607) 277-1899
"I got remote control and a color TV; I don't change channels so they
 must've changed me." -- Billy Joel

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: base hits (WAS Re: More quiz questions(WAS Re: 1951 Baseball Encyclopedia)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:53:32 GMT

Distribution: usa

In article <92205.010426IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins  
<IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> It is always interesting when somebody comes up with the weird case
> of a batter stroking what appears to be a single into the outfield,
> only to have a turtle runner from third get gunned down at the plate.
> Guess what, though? The batter *does* get a single - even if the
> inning ended with the runner being thrown out at the plate - even if
> the batter-runner hadn't reached first base yet. How can this be?
> 
> Rule 10.06c says: When the PITCHER, the CATCHER or any INFIELDER
> handles a BATTED ball and PUTS OUT a preceding runner who is
> attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base....
> 
> The rule specifically says pitcher, catcher, infielder. The rule
> says nothing about outfielder. Also keep in mind that Rule 10.05
> comes into play.

What about Rule 10.06(a) A base hit shall not be scored
when a runner is forced out by a batted ball, 
or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.
?

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: mays, morgan & pinson
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:53:20 EST
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Last year there was a trivia question posted that asked what three
players had, over their careers, hit 2,500 hits, 250 home runs and
stole 250 bases.

Those players were Willie Mays, Jow Morgan and Vada Pinson.

Can someone with a reference post their exact vareer numbers? And
what team(s) did Pinson play for?

Many thanks!

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^

 stephen.dawson@canrem.com
 Entered 07-24-92 at 7:16pm in Downsview, Ontario

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From: TEAK.CRAY.COM!jjd@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Amazing Base
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:55:00 GMT
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
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           Amazing Base

Amazing base, how sweet the sack
That saved a boy like me
I once led off, but now I'm back
Was safe, but just barely.

A throw to first my heart afeard
But pitch my fears undid
How precious second base appeared
When 'neath the tag I slid.

The Coach had promised to send me
His sign I thus inferred
He will my hide nail to yon tree
If out I am at third.

Through many slides and pains lumbar
I have already come
'Tis guile that brought me safe thus far
And guile will get me home.

When we've played ball ten thousand years
Under God's bright blue dome
There's no play finer it appears
Then when a boy steals home.

-John "Speedy" Newton


Speedy Newton was a young professional ball player in the early
1870s who experienced a revelation one day while legging out a
routine grounder.  Miraculously, he beat the throw, and he
immediately dedicated his life to stealing bases.  He promptly
stole second, third and home on three consecutive pitches and
became the first man to steal all three bases after reaching
first.  He died stealing home a few weeks later as a result of
a horrendous collision at the plate (he was safe).  This poem
was found in his pocket.

Copyright (C) 1992 by Jeffrey J. Drummond

-Jeff    jjd@cray.com
--
"Often it is easier to steal second than to explain how you missed the
sign."  -Benjamin Franklin in "Poor Richard's Baseball Almanac"
From: mkipp@ems.cdc.com (M. Kipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Cardinal's Farm Team Info
Keywords: Cardinal's, Alan Robinson, Baltimore
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:19:58 GMT
Reply-To: mkipp@ems.cdc.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of Ceridian


    I was wondering if anyone out there knows how Alan Robinson is doing in
 the Card's Farm System.
    Trying to follow a Marylander playing for a St. Louis farm team while
 living in Minneapolis is difficult.

    Thanks in Advance,

   Mark Kipp    (612) 553-4313         
   Baltimore Gas & Electric Co.
   c/o Empros Systems International
   Plymouth, MN 55441
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: More on Big Frank
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:53:41 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <36029@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:

>In article <3575@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes

>>on time this week.)  If Frank can pull that up to 300 total bases and 300 
>>times on base, he will be the first player in over 30 years to have back to
>>back 300/300 seasons.  Can you name the last 3 players to put two such 
>>back to back?

>Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Hank Greenberg?   

Mantle, Williams, and Musial.  Mantle was the last to do it, in '56 and '57.
Musial did it three or four times; Williams did it practically every year that
he played full-time.

-- 
        David Tate         |   When I was a rookie arm and bit 
  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   And the greenest hurler to take the mound
  Prof. of Story Problems  |   (Sighed the old southpaw, dying of innings)...
  Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR  | 	"Lament", Dylan 'Big Frank' Thomas
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: More on Big Frank
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:12:51 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <3575@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)  
writes:
> As of about a week and a half ago, Frank Thomas was on a pace to finish the
> season with 309 times on base and 286 total bases.  (My McThang didn't  
arrive
> on time this week.)  If Frank can pull that up to 300 total bases and 300 
> times on base, he will be the first player in over 30 years to have back to
> back 300/300 seasons.  Can you name the last 3 players to put two such  
seasons
> back to back?

Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle and .....Lou Gehrig?

or is that going back too far?

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Subject: Offerman, Butler, and Sharperson
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:46:34 GMT

I've been eagerly following the rise of Offerman to the top of the Dodger's
batting order.  He and Butler have been tearing the ball up since this second-half
change (with a few experiments in the first half), and now Sharperson has joined
them at the top of the order, supplanting Darryl Strawberry.

This trio has been incredible, like last night when they each had 2 hits,
with Offerman scoring three runs and both Butler and Sharperson drove in 3.

I realize they are far from historic :-) , but I'm wondering if there were
ever any great leadoff *trios* where all *three* of them were lightweight singles
hitters, with some speed and thus a few doubles & triples in the gaps thrown in.


Daniel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:59:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <Bs29sK.6H0@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) writes:
>>
>>HOW DO YOU KNOW?
>
>You can't know for sure but through interviews with players, managers and
>that player himself, and through *many* media reports (although we should 
>consider media bias's thats why we look at many reports) I feel we can get
>a good reasonably accurate opinion of the player.

How does it help to look at *lots* of biased reports?  They're all still
biased.  They aren't independent observations, either.

Frankly, I'm terrified that there are people out there who believe that they
can gain useful insights into a player's personality from listening to sound
bites out of context from hostile interviews.  I keep thinking that these same
people are probably judging me in the same haphazard fashion.

I'm equally terrified that you seem to think that you can tell what a player's
attitude and "team spirit" and such are like by watching his face during his
practice and play.  Give me a break.  Do you believe in phrenology, too?  Did
you catch on immediately that Steve Garvey was a hypocritical sleazeball, back
when the media were portraying him as Mr. Clean?  Did you know right off that
Eddie Murray wasn't the sullen, disruptive loner that the Baltimore writers
tried to convince us he was?

And this still doesn't address the central issue that started the whole thread,
which was this:  even if you *knew*, 100% sure, what a player's attitude was
like, how would you go about measuring how much performance you should be
willing to trade that off against?  When does difference in attitude outweigh
difference in play on the field?  If we can't ever know, then there's *no*
point in worrying about it.



-- 
        David M. Tate        | "And that inverted Bowl we call The Dome
   dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu   |  Whereunder crawling coop'd we field and bat,
   Edward "Mike" Fitzgerald  |     Lift not your eyes to *it* for help--for it
     from "The Ruthaiyat"    |  Will drop the tow'ring fly upon your hat."
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:02:33 GMT

In article <Bs5r43.A6H@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:

>Well, maybe but up to recently Olerud has been very mediocre and if we can
>get Gruber hitting like he can I will take the Blue Jays offense over the
>Orioles.

Being the 3rd best offensive 1B based on entire-season stats is not what I
call *very mediocre*.

>You can have your own opinion but I think that the Jays offense will improve
>and Morris will pitch a little better and he will win 18-20 games.

How will the Jays offense improve?  By trading Manuel Lee for Cal Ripken?

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: DICKS THAT SHOULD BE IN OTHER GROUPS
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:34:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <92207.044326JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>I'M SO SICK OF SEEING THIS :=) IN A NEWSGROUP DEVOTED TO
>THE LOVE OF SPORTS THAT I DEMAND THAT IT CEASES. GOT A PROBLEM ?
>SEE ME PERSONALLALY!
>----------------------------------------------------------
> James D. Craft <JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
> REMEMBER, WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE KIDDING...THEY'RE NOT

Boy, somebody needs some decaf. :)

Excuse me.  :=)

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) - kbos@carina.unm.edu - I'm not the AntiChrist
I AM a Junior Stathead.  Flame me; it's fun!  I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!
Latest Attempted Compiler of the R.S.BB FAQ - Now Accepting Submissions...(hint)
Have you hugged a Dan Gladden fan today? - Dave Rossing : .456/39/132 at Denver!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:36:38 GMT

I was watching Roy Firestone on ESPN months back when he had Will The
Thrill on. Roy showed tapes of both Will and Stan Musual's swings. It
was amazing how similar they were. Both stand deep in the box and when
it comes time to swing uncoil in a huge arc, hence the good power both
have or had.  Doug.
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Another Chicago Sweep
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:45:07 GMT

Cubs fans, savor last night's 3-0 victory over the Reds, even if you couldn't
see it on the tube. Whatever highlights were available on CNN's Sports
Tonight were worth seeing.

Greg Maddux, 9IP, 6H. Quintessential Maddux, the type of stuff that will
make him megabucks, if not a Cy Young or a World Series ring. It's going
to be a long winter, not to mention a long 1993, if Mad Dog signs somewhere
else.

Greg Swindell wasn't too bad, except that he got whacked for 10 hits from 
a normally anemic Cubs offense over 7 innings.

So, the Reds get handcuffed for two straight games and fall out of 1st in
the NLWest. So much for gratitude when the Reds were knocking off the
Buckos while the Cubbies were getting goose-egged by Hotlanta a few weeks ago.

Earlier, the rains couldn't stop the White Sox from coming back against
the O's. Second time in a 24-hour period. The O's must be feeling a sense 
of deja vu.

Cubs drop by Houston starting Friday. Sox try to extract revenge on the Brew 
Crew up in Cheeseland starting tonight. 

Life is good in Chicago. Even the Bears started training camp in Platteville
this week. :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:57:36 GMT

>In article <1992Jul27.221138.27950@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>In article <1515nnINNirq@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>
>>>AMERICAN EAST
>>>Toronto Blue Jays     58    40    .592    --      4-6    Lost 3  31-18  27-22
>>>Baltimore Orioles     54    44    .551   4.0     z5-5    Lost 2  28-22  26-22
>>>Milwaukee Brewers     53    44    .546   4.5     z8-2     Won 3  28-21  25-23
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>> Has anyone else noticed this team lately!!?? I'll bet Cito and Co. have.
>> Are the Jays gonna pull another El Foldo down the stretch? Even though    
>> Toronto has about twice the talent as any other team in the East, it could
>> be an interesting September/October!

	The Brewers are a pleasant surprise.  They got fat off of the
	White Sox the past two weeks, much to the delight of the Brewtown
	fans.  Nice to see a team with a *good* record in a pennant race,
	unlike some North Siders I can think of... ;-)

-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
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From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney)
Subject: Re: GMaddux to Test Free Agency Waters
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:28:14 GMT

 mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.204153.27489@tamsun.tamu.edu>,
>rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) wrote:
>> 
>>
>>   What about Cubs Right Fielder Andre Dawson? He's up for free agency come
>> the end of the season. He may not come out as one of the highest paid, but
>> some club is going to get a bundle.
>
>I close my eyes... and see Andre ... in a teal uniform ... playing right
>field... in Miami...
>

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     Angels and Ministers of Grace defend us!!! Andre will bat 1.000 in any
game he plays against the Cubs after what they're doing to him!!!

+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
| "My problem is I need to discipline myself. I was | Jack McKinney          |
|  having this large Dutch woman do it..."          | jmckinney@tamu.edu     |
+---------------------- -Emo Philips ---------------+------------------------+
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From: carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy)
Subject: Re: Clever Quote (Was: Warning to Sheffield Fans in S.D.)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:21:56 GMT

tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>In article <91cmfgq.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>
>>The way I heard it was, "Statistics are like a bikini:  what they
>>reveal is interesting, but what they conceal is vital."

>I agree.  To be useful at all, you need to actually *study* the
>statistics rather than glancing at the superficial measures.  You
>often hear "Fielder is great because he has 89 RBIs" or "Orsulak is
>leading the O's in BA".  This is interesting.  But if you^^^^^^^ dig down
>into the stats, you reveal the vital information that they are
>seriously overrated.

>Oh, that isn't what you meant?  Too bad.

>-Valentine
>-- 
>Quantrill gets his shot at the bigs.... 	tedward@cs.cornell.edu


Valentine, Valentine, Valentine, when will you ever learn? (sigh) Joe
Orsulak is the man, and watching him get important hits while the rest of
the O's (Brady excluded) do nothing is all the proof real Orioles fans
need. Don't give me his OBP and OPS stuff. 

All TRUE Orioles fans, or for that matter, all TRUE b'ball fans, think Joe
is the tops (of course, you are to be forgiven, as you think that the
Bosox are a real baseball team and so obviously let your emotions get the
better of you ;->)

			See you later, Carl

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Simulation Games
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:13:27 GMT

In article <QePOu0i00Uh7M1JNxs@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What is the best board simulation game?  APBA? Strat-o-Matic? Persue the
>Pennant? Why do you think that?

IMO, Pursue the Pennant.  I have never played APBA, but I have played Strat.
PTP is vastly superior.

1.	More realistic fielding.  Location matters.  I mean, a "SI1" (Strat)
	is rather dull, but you get more of a sense of how the ball went if
	it is "cut-off" by a fielder.  Also, Strat doesn't allow fielders to
	commit errors on throws.

2.	A better system of relief pitching.

3.	Cards that are easy to read.

4.	Costs less.  (At least for the '91 card set; in the past, Strat has
	cost less, but this season PTP, with its better cards, actually cost
	less.)

5.	*Much* more realistic injuries.  Strat only allows injuries while
	batting, which means that pitchers never get hurt in a DH league, and
	all players usually get injured a lot less than they actually do, which
	means that you don't really need a bench.

6.	An amusing wild play chart.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Rob Ducey (Was Re: Cuyler: put on DL?)
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:40:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.115531.21018@europa.asd.contel.com>, king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
|> Ducey and Greg Myers were traded to California for Mark Eichorn.
|> 
|> --
|> Larry King
|> GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
|> E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com

For Mark Eichorn??? Why??? The Jays let him go a few years
and they said something like he has a couple of pitches and 
he hasn't got much control and everyone in the AL can hit
his pitches. Ack!! The Jays would probably do better by 
trading Cito away!!
 
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.