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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: the overall expansion plan (heavy sarcasm)
Summary: sarcasm alert!
Keywords: alert! alert!
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:05:30 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

I just found out that there are many cities that deserve teams. Couple that
with the disliking of the regular season system, the following masterplan
has been devised. There will be 16,777,210 teams in the NHL by the end of the
century. Cities may have several teams in the same locale. August will be
non-hockey month. The first week will separate the end of the playoffs and the
start of the regular season. The next two weeks will define the 5-game regular
season. The last week will be a week off for fans to bash other teams, saying
"you're team is moving across town...HAHAHAHAHA!" From September to July will
be the 24-round best-of-seven playoffs. Half of the teams will be out in the
first round, meaning no more hockey for 11 months. The entry fee into the
league is a mere $100. Since the player pool will is limited, superstars will
play on several teams. Rather than have dumb team names, teams will just be
assigned numbers (e.g. Boston 3,393,436). Tickets will never be sold so that
the number of sellouts and season ticket holders will never be an issue in
determining each team's value. Each team will be awarded a Stanley Cup no
matter who wins the playoffs so that all teams will be successful.

Now is everybody happy?

Oh yes, all TV stations will be required to show one game every night.

Tonight on the Christian Broadcasting Network, it's the Houston 4,493,394 vs.
the Las Vegas 48,482! (only one team is truly #1! 8-)

NOW, is everybody happy?

Tom
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 12:21:26 EST
From: The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More on Boston (Re: Boston, Montreal, Adams...)
Distribution: world

While no one can say for certain that Cam will be back, and will be
back to his old form, I would like to point out that in the 9 games that
he played last year, (and as you said out of shape and not quite completey
ready to go) he had 9 goals and 3 assists.......

              Pat Ellis

  p.s.  GO BRUINS   GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS  14-0-1  still number 1......
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From: laia@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Lai)
Subject: Thomas Steen over the hill???
Summary: Is Thomas Steen playing ok or what?
Keywords: Steen
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:37:36 GMT

Is it just me or is Tomas Steen playing way below his potential?

I mean, he is pretty old (32 I think), but nevertheless, he is playing
with new and talented players (i.e. Teemu Selanne).  He only missed
a few games, but yet, fails to light up the score sheet.  Looks like
that PPG rating is taking a dive this season.. 

So what's the deal??

..jl
laia@sfu.ca
Simon Fraser University,     
Burnaby, BC, Canada
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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Housley to be traded
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:56:14 GMT

In article <Bz3tIJ.17u@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umeitzen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Steven Eitzen) writes:
> 
>   1) Housley to Detroit for Steve Chaisson and a combination of Keith
>      Primeau, Sheldon Kennedy or Paul Ysebart.

Housley for Chaisson, Kennedy, and Ysebart. Do it quickly Brian Murray,
before Winnipeg changes their mind. Please don't give up on Primeau yet.
You can't teach size like that.

Keith Mews
Red Wings Fan

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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: trade rumor
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.181801.7810@bmerh85.bnr.ca> wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk) writes:
>
> As for Hull being on the third line, that equally laughable. The Pens do have
>2 franchise players in Lemieux and Stevens, however after that what do they have.
>
>   Francis - solid 2nd line center - his best days were in Hartford
>   Tochett - almost a franchise player
>   Mullen - nobody wanted this free agent - 20 goal man on another team
>   McEachern (sp) - good prospect - who knows
>   Errey - get real

Bob Errey is not counted on to be a goal scorer.  Bob's a defensive foward, and
any points he scores is just icing on the cake.

Errey main job on the team is to shadow the opposing team's most lethal 
offensive player.  It's a job he does quite well.  He's also a hell of a 
penalty killer.  Throws some nasty checks for his size, too.  To try to
compare him to the four players you have listed is like comparing apples and 
oranges.  They just aren't the same.

Lori
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Summary: One idea, anyway
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:33:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bz7Kry.7C2
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Dec13.134801.28514@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>In <1992Dec11.170111.20032@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca writes:
>
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas for nicknames for the new teams?
>> How about some jokes and some serious ones
>> 
>> The Miami Riot; the Miami Ice; the Miami Old People; the Miami Videos;
>> The Miami Transplanted Canadiens; the Miami Olsens (get it? Marlin Olsen)
>> 
>> The Anaheim Lick Manoevers (say it :-); the California Raisins, 
>> California Golden Mice
>> 
>> Or how about just calling them both the Rough Riders?
>
>How 'bout the Miami Snowbirds (=most fans are Canadians/easterners anyway) and
>the California Gold (=as in the 1849 gold rush)?

I haven't given much thought to naming Miami (just as long as Huizenga
doesn't decide to revive the Screaming Eagles - gack.), but Anaheim has a
chance to pick off a name Dennis Murphy originally wanted for his WHA
franchise in Los Angeles back in 1972.  Call 'em the Aces, either Anaheim or
Los Angeles -- remember, Aces beat Kings...:-)

--PLH, and while we're at it, bring back the Fighting Saints...




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From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: BOSTON: Cam Neely Update????
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:27:58 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

[1] How is Cam Neely's rehab going?

[2] Any positive notes?

[3] Where is he doing his rehab?

[4] What does his rehab involve?
From: hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bruins' goaltending stinks
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:41:35 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <DREIER.92Dec9212555@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>Just to add a few more logs to the Bruins fire:
>
>Has anyone noticed that, although the Bruins have amassed more
>offensive firepower than they've had recently, their goaltending has
>quietly turned to crap?  The Bruins are dead last in the NHL in save
>percentage.  Moog is losing it or has already lost it, and Lemelin
>simply cannot play enough games.  And the fact that Providence is dead
>last in the AHL in goals against seems to indicate that the Bruins
>don't have much hope for the future (Blue, Delguidice, and Bales
>certainly are not top prospects).
>
> [ stuff deleted ]
>
>--
>Roland Dreier                                        dreier@math.berkeley.edu

	Yeah I noticed that Moog doesn't seem to play at Par. I was just at
	the Forum for Saturday's game. The Bruins do have a strong
	offensive (especially in the first period), but come the 2 and 3rd,
	the Canadiens slaughtered them. |8-)

	It seem that Moog loses attention of the game. I noticed that at
	that game in particular, he was a bit shaky in the last period
	(though he did have some great save - and Canadiens did miss some
	oppertunities). At times, I'm sure he doesn't know where the puck
	is.

	Just my observerations


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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: New NHL Expansion
Reply-To: dchhabra@stpl.UUCP (Deepak Chhabra)
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.004135.15447@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>>And hey, if they come in next year, Ottawa *still* gets the #1 pick, right?
>>'Cuz that's been our plan all along ;-).
>
>Should have traded that #1 pick to Quebec when you had the chance...
>bye, bye Alexandre and Victor...hello Chris, Gratton or Pronger...
>
>The Senators better pray for another Lindros rule.

This is one way to look at it, but hindsight is 20/20.  What I really don't 
understand is where the *bleep* did this expansion come from?  I don't 
recall much in the way of publicity beforehand, or bids from various cities...
is it just me or is the bidding process the normal way to do things?  
To criticize Ottawa for not trading the pick doesn't seem quite fair.  On
the other hand, the stuff I heard on the radio this morning said that the 
expansion move had unanimous support.  If this is the case, wouldn't Ottawa
have approved as well?  What the hell is going on here?

As for the cities themselves, I realize that a US tv contract is the owners' 
holy grail, but three teams operating out of the California area and two out 
of the Florida area --- in HOCKEY????!!!!!  A winter sport???  Maybe I'm just
missing something...

dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: The Wizard of Oz
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:44:04 GMT

Is is me, or does the guy that sings the anthems in Boston sound
like the 'Cowardly Lion' from The Wizard of Oz ?
Just an observation...

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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/17
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:25:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052918.19481@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>From the Islanders pregame show tonight ...
>
>* Ottawa lost their mascot tonight; their $100,000 guy in a lion suit
>walked after a disagreement with management prior to the game with the
>Detroit Red Wings.
>
>Gary L. Dare

Ok, a few points to mention about the mascot:

  1.  I was wondering what the deal was on Tuesday, 'cuz the lion wasn't
      on between periods.  Not that I minded, however.  I find this guy
      about as exciting as dump-and-chase hockey (so we usually get a 
      double "treat" at the Civic Centre...)

  2.  If he *was* worth $100 000, I'd love to see how/why.  He doesn't
      even *do* anything.  He rides around the ice on a 4-wheeler during
      the first intermission, stands by the contest guys in the second,
      and he occasionally comes into the crowd and waves.  I don't get it.

  3.  How could he **possibly** have any disagreement with management,
      assuming #2 is true?  He doesn't *do* anything!

  4.  The P.A. guy said that the Senators' mascot is now available for
      parties/special events.  This is also advertised in the Senators
      magazine this month.  How this guy is an attraction at the office
      Christmas party is beyond me...

  5.  There was a minor kufuffle (how *do* you spell that?) a couple of
      weeks ago when a few people were complaining that a lion for a 
      (Roman) Senators mascot was in poor taste.

  6.  A while back, the local paper and the Sens were holding a contest
      to name the lion.  A co-worker suggested "Christian", mostly to
      upset the people mentioned in point #5 above...  Anyway, the 
      contest has since faded away.

So if he *is* gone, fine by me.  Take the money and add it to the Dan
Quinn pool.

Then again, maybe I'm just bitter 'cuz we got creamed on the island 
tonight...


Still in bewilderment,
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From: haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught)
Subject: Re: Lindros injury/Flyers Lie
Originator: haught@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.172231.19812@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

I guess I was sort of getting @that .... Granted there are going to be
people in the seats whether Lindros plays or not but there are still
unsold tickets available that people will buy just to see Eric play. 

>I do not believe the Flyers are putting out false information, if that
>is what you are getting at.  The tickets are already sold so there are
>going to be people in the seats whether Lindros plays or not.
>

I am aware that he returned and has skated as initially stated/reported
but it was made to sound as if it was not a major injury. I don't want
to see him rushed back from injury at all, I would rather have him out
for another month if that is what it takes for him to get back to 100%.

There was an article in a local paper about the Flyers makeing a   
"mistake" by anouncing the Lindros would only be out for a week to 10
days. 

I am just looking for opinions thats all.... 


>As for Eric's injury, he returned to the ice and skated as initially
>reported, but he is still having pain in the knee.  The doctors are
>recommending more time to rest it.  If that doesn't remedy it then
>I'm sure there will be more tests done if there haven't been already.
>There is no reason in the world to rush him back.
>
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From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:34:10 GMT


Why don't the two teams from the LA area just give up and rename themselves the
"L.A. Bloods" and the "Anaheim Crips?" :)  Now that's one way to get a rivalry
going!!!
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From: scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns)
Subject: Re: Lowe's first Ranger game
Organization: Fusion Systems Group
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:45:25 GMT

Best line of the night (Rangers lose to Flames 3-0 in Kevin Lowe's debut):

John Davidson on Sergei Nemchinov shooting the puck wide (way way wide)
on a breakaway.

Sam Rosen:  Here's Nemchinov on a breakaway!  He shoots... Wide!

J.D.:  Wide?  He almost hit New Jersey with that one!

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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 12/18
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.204831.17380@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.155833.24829@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> > The FLYERS got a power play when Jagr went off at 2:26, and showed some more
> > improvement on the advantage, but were unable to convert. Just after the PP
> > ended, in the Ryan McGill was chasing down the puck behind his own goal line
> > when Rick Tocchet gave him a little shove in the back, and McGill went into
> > the boards. McGill took exception to the shove, though, and when he got up
> > he decked Tocchet with a right. He got one more punch in before Kevin
> > Stevens came in and grabbed McGill. The result (well called by the ref, IMHO)
> > was 2+game for instigation and 5 for fighting to McGill, 2 roughing and
> > game for third man in to Stevens.
> 
> WHAT?  I agree both Stevens and McGill should have been tossed.  But how
> the hell did Tocchet get away without a 5-for-fighting?  After Stevens came
> in and took McGill to the boards, Tocchet got up and went after McGill.  It
> was a two-on-one with Stevens holding McGill and Tocchet throwing punches at
> him.  Maybe it sounds like sour grapes because Tocchet scored two on the
> major powerplay, but I can't believe he wasn't given five, or at the very
> least, two for roughing.  It could have been an entirely different game.

Anything after Tocchet got back up could only have been coincedentals, and
the refs clearly do not just haul everybody off in this sort of situation,
unless it's real late in the game. Remember when Lindros hit Beukeboom and
Beukeboom jumped him from behind? 2+5+game for Beukeboom, nothing for Eric.
You think Eric didn't get his shoves in afterwards? This was the same thing,
and IM not so HO, this is the way it should be called. It's about time the
refs *started* calling it this way, instead of doing what Hogarth started
doing yesterday in the Chicago game where he ruined the flow of the game
for 5 minutes hauling off everybody who breathed funny because things got
a little chippy. A ref has to show restraint sometimes.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Where is Chris Nilan ????
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:20:49 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec17.203950.19469@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kristman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Kristmanson) writes:
>Does anyone know where Chris Nilan is nowadays ???
>
>
>Just Wondering
>Dan

Knuckles retired :-(
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Re: Why hockey isn't popular in the U.S. (was Re: BOB GETS THE BELT BACK!)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:11:50 GMT

Gary:

Thanks for a well-written, right-on-the-money article!  Now if you (or
anybody else) can come up with a solution to this, please let everybody
know, especially this Bettman guy.

Case in point-- In Sports Illustrated (a generally shitty magazine for
the hockey fan, and it shows) a couple of weeks ago (either November 23
or 30th edition), there were a few articles from "fans" on how hockey
could be improved.  Obviously, these idiots knew very little of the
game and it showed.  One letter said that hockey must introduced some
sort of "tiered scoring" as in basketball, football, or baseball, in
order to be popular.  So, what now?  Make a shot from outside the blue
line count as two goals?  No f'ing way!  Another dealt with the
"violence", and another on something else which I can't remember (I
threw it out already-- if someone has it, could you please post these
letters?).  All I fear is that Bettman might take some of these inane
suggestions seriously, which might get more fans in, but sure as hell
they'd lose me...

-JPC

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From: garyb@bbsqtet.EBay.Sun.COM (Gary Bolles)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1995 All-Star Game awarded to San Jose
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:19:57 GMT
Organization: Sun MicroSystems Federal, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec11.231706.7324@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:

> That's great news for San Jose.  I have to agree though that the Sharks
> have to be worried about making it until 1995.    They could not fill
> their arena of under 11,000 seats even for a visit by Mario Lemieux and
> the Penguins.

Ummm, 'scuz me?  The Pittsburgh game was a sellout - all 11,089 seats as were
all but two of the Sharks regular season home games since the franchise
started.
I won't argue that the curiosity seekers aren't less interested but let's get
the facts straight.
 
> The Sharks are on pace to do worse than last year.  This was expected as
> they got rid of a lot of their veteran players to let the youngsters
> develop.  It remains to be seen how patient Bay Area fans, who in the
> first place, are not for the most part rabid hockey fans, will be.
> This area does not support losers for long.

Gimme a break.  This area supported the 49ers for YEARS before they became
"winners" in the early '80s.  The same can be said for the Warriors.  Where
do you get this crap?

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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Player of the Week?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:08:01 GMT


For three weeks now, Al Iafrate has been playing pretty incredible hockey.  
He has something along the lines of eight goals and thirteen assists in his 
last eight games.  (maybe a little less, maybe a little more)

He's been back in his own end every game and even scored on a breakaway 
SLAPSHOT a week or so ago.

He's been passed up for player of the week honors since he's been on fire.  
I'm sure the players who have won have been worthy of the honor, but in case 
you've missed him, Iafrate has been playing some fine hockey.

Maybe player of the month?

Warren
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