From: longn@lauto.lmc.com (Long Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [SOC,PHYL,PSY]  Longan answers DDK's challenge.
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: lotus!longn@sequent.com


Hi SCV netters,

I have been silent long enough so that others can speak up their
opinions addressing DDK's arrogance.

>Hello Long Nguyen,
>
>I challenge you to prove the following statement:
>
>"Any empty set is a subset of a non-empty set"

This is an unfair test for any body.  DDK has failed to provide needed
information to make the proof.  I wonder if the test was intended
to find out WHAT a person knows or HOW a person think.

I DECLINE TAKING THIS TEST!  Please no test on SCV, puzzle solving will
be more fun.

>Do it in one second and in one line as I did when I was 16 at high school

I am no longer a 16 year-old youngster with carefree mind.  My mind has  
not slowed down but been worrying about paying bills, job, ...  

Does it matter if one finds the solution the soonest?  What makes one find
the solution faster than the other?  Faster CPU?  Solving a problem in 1
second does not mean one has a screaming speed of thinking .  Using the
heuristic search in a systematic problem approach, the solution could have
been any where in the search tree.  A 1 second solution is very much
indicating that the solution happens to locate at the first level & at the
cornered most branch where the algorithm starts searching.

In short, I mean LUCK.

   _ Luck is much needed with inovation not with solution.
                                            Longan

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Please don't think that Longan is arrogant.  I never claimed or showed
any 'permanent' feature (height, number of brain cells ...) that is supperior 
than yours.  HOW has always been my emphasis in which anybody can change
regardless of color, sex, age...

Please don't think that Longan is forcing new ideas on others.  Let's all
recite our individual right:

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE/REMAIN WHO YOU ARE.  ANYTHING YOU DO/SAY COULD BE 
USES AGAINST YOU.

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>Lighten up !!!!

Ok, I will tell two stories to lighten up.

One day, Buddha was about to cross a river to reach a small village
on his tour of teaching.  There was a yoga master seeking to challange
Him.  The master demonstrated his telekinetic ability in flying accross
the reviver with ease and asked if Buddha can do the same.

Buddha pointed to the villagers nearby and preached:

The people all can cross the river with their boats.  Need I show you
HOW to cross a river?

The yoga master then realized that he has been missing the point for so long.


Story2 is in Co^~ Ho.c Tinh Hoa.

There was a man who devoted much of his life into archery and was very
famous for his archery skill.  He was known for rarely missing the bull-eye
of the target in hundreds of long distance shoots.  And the man was very
arrogant for his reputation.

One day he bragged to an oil peddler about his archery skill.  The oil
peddler discounted the claim, "That is no big deal.  Practice makes perfect.
I've been selling oil for 20 years and have an ability to pore oil through
the small opening in the middle of the coin.  (Ancient coins had holes in 
the middle to get stringed up).

In front of the man's amazed eyes, the oil peddler pored the oil that he's
selling to him through a coin on top a bottle without any spill.  From that
day, the man was no longer arrogant.


>in VN. My most respectable high school teacher who posed the above question
>in my class, who has PURELY loved mathematics, logic and teaching, whose
>knowledge in Mathematics is as good as an University Professor but has
>been DDI` under the Communist Regime and EVEN NOW, told me 6 years ago
>before I escaped from VN by boat:

I don't exactly know why DDK kept revealing his age on SCV.  Perhaps, to
annoy Longan who dispites using personal information.

Not addressing to anyone in particular, I would like to point out that, 
in psychology, the age of wisdom starts about 20 when an individual possesses 
enough knowledge & experience to determine right/wrong.  A person in the early 
twenty is much likely to behave as a wisdom infant as compared to another 
much older person.  

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>left school at 16 and didn't possess any qualification, who even failed
>the numerical test when he applied for the post of ticketman on bus,
>who of course didn't take any course in logic or not in touch with it at all

Numberical test is about numerical calculation not logical deduction.   


>" Remember my words, K. The Communist is the most ILLOGICAL THING
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^
>that I have discovered in my life. Prove it when you have a chance
>outthere, K. Speak it for me and our unfortunate people inside VN"


>in logic doen't tell us any thing, Long Nguyen. I insert this detail
>herewith for  Long Nguyen's consideration who self claims a logician
>and wants to introduce his plan to save VN with his logic. What a illogical
>claim !!!                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^

>DDK

I got the above two paragraphs from DDK's two consecutive postings in a same day.
Just curious, what is everyone'sOpinion about logic between these two paragraphs?  
Are they contradicting between themselves?

Note:  I have yet posted my plan to save VN.  Please refrain talking about it.


Longan - The ???? (could not make up my mind, he he)