HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: 54-40..what does their name mean?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:08:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <9301252032.AA21973@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca>, stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) writes:
>  I just always figured 54-40 was just some stupid band name (although
> a decent band), when Al Bundy used the phrase "54-40 or fight" (not
> in context, only as a sample phrase) on Married With Children.
> 
> So what the hell does it mean?
> 
> Steve
> -- 
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
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> |  stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (519) 824-4120 x 3580      |
> |  "Oh Andy Capp, you wife-beating drunk!" - Homer Simpson    | 
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There was once a territorial dispute between the U.S. and Canada.  Various
extremists in the U.S. wanted all of the territory up to latitude
54 degrees, 40 minutes, hence the slogan.  I think, but I'm less sure,
that various Canadian extremists were claiming all of the territory
(which included the states of Washington and Oregon) for Canada.
Eventually, the obvious was done -- the boundary along the 49th
parallel was extended to the Pacific.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Primate Speech Research: Bogus?
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:47:51 GMT

cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>One example was a critter who was named Nim Chimpsky.  (He was named
>after Noam Chomsky, before anyone asks.  Chomsky, however, doesn't
>believe in NHP language abilities.)

Chomsky certainly did/does not believe in non-human primate language abilities.
In fact, the naming of the primate "Nim Chimpsky" was a textbook case of that
classical fallacious reasoning technique, the ad hominem argument.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: jberger@novell.com (John Berger)
Subject: Re: AIDS cases reach 1 million, again....SPY
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:03:51 GMT

In article <mjenkins.728073334@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
>Subject: AIDS cases reach 1 million, again....SPY
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:35:34 GMT
>This is from the Feb. SPY magazine, condensed.
>
>Oct 1, 1985: New York Times reports that "up to one million Americans"
>are infected with the AIDS virus, and the total may be climbing up but
>to 1,000-2,000 per day.
>
>Apr 6, 1986: The Times reports that an "estimated one million people
>in the United States" are infected with the AIDS virus.
>
>Aug 27, 1989: The 100,000th case of AIDS is reported. HHS Secretary
>Louis Sullivan writes in the Los Angeles Times that "more than one
>million Americans have already been infected."
>
>June 25, 1990: Comparing the spread of AIDS in inner cities to that of
>Africa, Newseek notes that "an estimated 1 million Americans are
>infected with the virus."
>
>June 28, 1992: The CDC offers grim predictions of the AIDS rate, and
>the Times reports it, adding, "the CDC estimates, very roughly, that
>one million Americans are infected."
>
>At press time, a CDC spokesperson told Spy that the number of
>Americans infected with AIDS had reached a staggering one million.
>
>Comments?
>
>Michael

Sounds to me like the AIDS prevention programs have been working since 1985, 
and that everyone who has AIDS now was exposed before then.  Of course, 
there have been some new people exposed for replacements.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Another great Godzilla movie (Re: Bambi meets Godzilla.
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:24:52 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

>In article <1993Jan25.220201.16899@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>>The well known film 'Bambi meets Godzilla' just came up in conversation.

Anybody seen "Matt Blackfinger" by The Japanese-American Toy Theatre of 
London?  I regularly ask people this, but so far I only know 5 people who've 
seen it, despite it having been shown on UK tv.  It featured various toys in 
a James Bonk (played by a wind-up Godzilla) vs.  Matt Blackfinger 
confrontation scenario.  Was it Sindy, Tressy, or Barbie in the sex scene?

    Actually, Occam wore a beard: philosophers kept borrowing his razor
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 11:29:50 EST
From: <MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject:    # and * on telephone

An old girlfriend told me that the phone company first put the # and *
buttons on the first push button telephones for the purposes of national
defense. The tones they made could supposedly free up a phone line and allow
a call to go through even if there were no open lines. Somebody else's
non-priority call would simply get disconnected.

Anyway, a few important people in the country knew the codes (senators,
generals, scientists) just in case there was a national emergency and they
neede to get through.

                              -Rick Yukon. Cable Layer.
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Kid impaled on grill, etc.
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:09:11 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <1993Jan20.140558.13036@ericsson.se> etlanar@yogi.ericsson.se (Chops):
> In <1993Jan19.170401.17109@fuug.fi> an5706@anon.penet.fi (Paul Sheaffer):
> > A drunk is stopped by the state police on an interstate around
> > 3 a.m.  Before the drunk can take any sobriety tests, an accident occurs
> > across the highway; the officer tells the drunk to wait while he sees
> > if there are any injuries.  When the drunk is left alone, he sees his
> > chance, jumps in the car, drives home, locks it in the garage, [...]

> Sure. If you were a cop, and some drunk git steals your car, you're going to
> wait till the morning before knocking on his door and asking to look in his
> garage??? Something tells me IF he'd made it home, a whole load of uniforms
> would have arrived very shortly afterwards, and wouldn't be _asking_ to look 
> in the garage.

In the USA, we require search warrants before a police can enter a private
home.  Perhaps it took 4 hours to locate and wake up a judge in order to
get the warrant signed.  The drunk may have also resided in a different
civil jurisdiction, in which case, the police dept who lost the car could
not cross the civil boundary unless they were in hot persuit.  There are
many possible reasons for the delay.

> Imagine what you could get up to with a stolen police car??!!!    

Imagine what what could happen to the officer who lost the car...they
would have been suspeneded or fired, maybe charged with a criminal count
for neglect of duty.

-john-

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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Historical Fact
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:19:02 GMT

PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>ObFact:  Cleopatra was fair skinned.  Her family emigrated from
>Greece 300 years earlier, and were profoundly inbred.

ObUL: Jonathan watched Archeology on The Learning Channel ALL DAY two
Sundays ago - just so that he could have ObUL's and OBFacts to post.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@compass.gvc.com (Not an official statement of GVSI)
"All rights and all wrongs have long since blown away/For causes are ashes
where children lie slain/Yet the damed UDL and the cruel IRA/Will tomorrow go
murdering again" - Stan Rogers "The House of Orange"
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Mike Cooper was Jesus' name (was Re: Late breaking potential UL!)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:03:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.090627.23162@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>alt.cooper.makes.tires.

I read somewhere that coopers worked with farm animals.  Are you sure
about this tire thing?  I didn't even know they *had* tires back when
they were handing out names.  Wheels, maybe.  But then, how did Mike
Wheeler get his name?

Ted "who wants a little weiner when you can have a big" Frank
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From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.discordia,alt.slack,alt.california
Subject: Re: Mike Cooper was Jesus' name (was Re: Late breaking potential UL!)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:51:04 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1993Jan21.070433.29299@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) wrote:
> 
> Let's say an idiot (like myself) posts something really really incorrect.
> How many years does it take the thread to die?
> 
> Just curious.

Well, let's see.  USENET has been around, in some form or other, since the
early eighties.  There are threads from then which haven't died yet.

I think the answer is, "We don't really know."

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: References sought on coriolis effect
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:41:27 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: University of Durham

About 5 years ago Dave Letterman phoned a plumber in Samoa to see which way the water went
down (he had a basin in the Studio as well).  One thing led to another, and what with the
language difficulties and so on, nothing came of it.

Of course, he was probably just phoning Queens.

Scott "You spin me round" McIntyre

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From: caper@bnr.ca (Joe Smith)
Subject: Re: Elevator DEATH!
Reply-To: caper@bnr.ca (Joe Smith)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:06:26 GMT

pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes
>
>>In article <C0zC5A.BKv@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>>
>>elevator functions, we HAVE had quite a few elevators fall at a rapid
>>enough rate of descent to lead to some pretty serious injuries.  Actually,
>>it's not the fall that causes the injuries, but rather the "stop."  In
>
>  Like jumping off the Empire State Building.  It's not the fall that
>gets you, it's hitting the ground.

When I tried skydiving for the first (and last) time the instructor stated this
rule as  :  "It's not the fall that kills you....it's the sudden stop"
      


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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Rush!Rush!Rush!
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:33:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.193154.1401@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>ObUL: Ross Perot has adopted the Domino's Noid as the mascot of his new
>      party, but he's going to give the Noid a sidekick, so that there
>      will be a pair o' Noids.
>-- 

This stuff was done in the '60's by Allan Sherman (of Hello Muddah', Hello 
Faddah' fame) in his ditty about when Ben Casey meets Kildare you have
a pair o' Docs.

cj "You'll pant and pant some more, and that's a pair of pants" l
From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Okay, if you're so smart ...
Summary: Not yet it isn't
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:13:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <CINDY.93Jan18135851@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Paul Harvey (?) writes:

>No comment on how close Aramaic and Hebrew are (uh, were?  I believe
>Aramaic is rather dead, isn't it?) until i've had the time and energy
>to approach the bookshelf again.

Aramaic is not quite dead. There are several (like about three) villages
in Syria which contain A-speaking populations. They aren't likely to last
long as Syria has an 'Arabisation' program which means they all have to
learn Arabic in school and so on.

Joseph Askew

-- 
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jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Washing machine + Moon cycle (was Re: Coriolis)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:45:50 GMT
Distribution: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.

I have made an _observation_ (!) which might be significant
to the thread which is driven by the Coriolis force.

 It's not that my washing machine cycles in clockwise direction. NO.
My washing machine has another problem - the washing machine 
keeps wandering while at work. Sometimes more sometimes less. So 
Even though I know that the wandering is caused by vibrations, 
I started wondering if the way it goes is completely arbitrary -
or influenced by the Coriolis force (which is not in the AFU faq,
I checked).

 At first my mother was less than cooperative, but after a month
following the way of our washing machines with a chalks on the floor,
my mother's washing machine results coincided with mine.    
No correlation whatsoever. Washing machines wander sometimes clockwise,
sometimes anticlockwise and even more often just in a strange angle.

 But after having a second look at the results I found another
- even more striking - interaction. The wandering activity is
related the moon cycles. Both mine and my mothers washing
machines were wandering the longest distance at the time of
full moon and almost nothing at new moon.  

 I will post the complete results for January later this week.

Ansgar "but _corn cycles_ are still formed by the Coriolis force" S.
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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Subject: death of a mime
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Organization: Executive Networks Information
Distribution: alt
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:46:34 EST

JD>  I heard the other day that a mime had a heart attack while 
JD>  performing in a shopping mall in california.  The crowd that 
JD>  gathered around him thought it was part of the act.  When 
JD>  the paramedics were finally called, the mime had died and 
JD>  there was $50 in his collection pan.

I seem to recall a joke that had the same motif, but I can't
remember how it went. Anyway, my sister now tells me that an 
episode of Different Strokes had a mime who sufferred from epilepsy,
with predictable results. 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: AFU West V
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.173112.19127@acuson.com> lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.040341.18373@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>It seems I'll have to hold out for 
>>AFU West VI.
>
>
>Isn't that the one where Kirk and McCoy are sent to the Klingon prison camp?

No, it's the one where Freddy Krueger reveals that he really played a small
part in "V".

cj "is Odo the same kind of shape-shifter as the one in the Klingon prison?" l

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: Re: Drug on the market
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:49:12 GMT

In <1993Jan23.161432.22170@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Tindall@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:

>Someone asked yesterday about the phrase "drug on the market."  It means
>something that is unpopular, not selling well, Zoe Baird, etc.  The Oxford
>English Dictionary is uncertain whether it's related to the word "drug" 
>(as in "medicine") or not.  It could mean a product which, like a
>notoriously ineffective patent medicine or a bad-tasting medicine,
>is unpopular; or it could be that in this phrase the alternative
>spelling of "drogue" as "d-r-u-g" is being used.  

>Bruce "definitive" Tindall
>--
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>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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>           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

could this be a corruption, or different tense, of the word "drag" (in the
sense of slowing something down, rather than a style of clothing)


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From: tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:23:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.025439.3068@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hah!  You can't fool me!  There is no February 29, 2000.  And William
>Shatner is married to Majel Barrett.  And Bill Clinton is a member of the
>Trilateralists.                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thats not funny!  Not after todays headline mentioning that Bill has the most
Milionaires in his cabinet than the cabinet has held in a long time.
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: AFU WEST V - TAKE II
Summary: alt.folklore.urban gathering;
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:40:00 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <28611@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes...

>Phil's ancestor on it as a gesture to our transatlantic neighbors

How about our Atlantic neighbors, the whales?  Doesn't the
former livelihood and sustenance of Barnacle Phil the Harpooner
even get a little poot of appreciation?

> and perhaps an effigy 

Make up your mind -- is it in F or G?  Even a tin-eared 
dysinstrumentalist like me knows there's a difference.

Joe "Will Britian's next election sound like A Flat Major?" Chew
From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Okay, if you're so smart ...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:59:03 GMT
Organization: University of South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pchayest.unisa.ac.za

In article <73gyXB1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

>> Ted Frank asks:
>> >Does pooter meat taste like chicken?
>> 
>> How do you get meat from a 'pooter?  (One year's supply of lutefisk
>> for the best answer.)
>> 
>African or European?

What's a pooter?

What's a lutefisk?

Enquiring minds want to know ....

Is there a FAQ with this stuff in it?

And, while I'm about it, what's a FOAF?

Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za
          steve.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
From: knauer@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Slashing sevens (was Re: Clinton's no Jefferson! (was: AMUSING SIGNS))
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:41:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1993Jan27.020102.16110@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>Jon "I keep writing 7 with a little slash across it also." Papai
>ObUL: Some Govt. employee recently lost his job because
>of writing 7's with slashes.

Not a UL.  A policeman somewhere (Wisconsin?) was suspended for making
the number 7 with a slash across it.  I don't recall if I read the outcome
of the story or not.

Reference back issues of clari.news.interest.quirks (if ClariNet keeps them)
and a mention on CNN Headline news.

Rob (who makes 7's that way too)
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 money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they do with it.
 Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating jobs." -- Dave Barry
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From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: Snipers at Stalingrad
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:59:39 GMT

>In sci.military, conversation turned to snipers at Stalingrad,
>with no mention of exploding dogs:
>
>In article <C15y9p.K44@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>,z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>>    Also, John Denver ( Yes the Singer ) was a sniper in Vietnam, and I believe
>>that he had 70+ confirmed kills. 80 to 100 does sound reasonable for
>>Stalingrad.

We are skeptical folks here at afu.  Mostly friendly (pace Bill and snopes),
but skeptical.  When someone makes a bizarre allegation like this, we ask
for documentation.

This one sounds like bullshit to me.

Phil "Now, why isn't that an afu motto?" Gustafson
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Subject: Re: Foucalt pendulums (and the UN)
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:30:58 GMT

mrice@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Rice) writes:

>If I remember correctly, the one in the Smithsonian used to knock over
>pegs or something...

As far as I know it still does, but it's been grievously shrunken.
The floor on which it used to knock over pegs has been transformed
into exhibit space, and the pendulum is one floor shorter, knocking
over pegs on the floor above.
-- 
Matt McIrvin
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