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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:28:19 CDT
Reply-To:     "Theologos K. Liotopoulos" <liotopou@CAE.WISC.EDU>
From:         "Theologos K. Liotopoulos" <liotopou@CAE.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re:"Makedoniko"
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu
              "IVRISSIMTZIS@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK" at Oct 4,
              92 3:19 pm

>
> >Nai egw apo tin Arizona tha evgaza amesws eisitirio gia Ellada, na paw
> >na polemisw gia ti patrida. ou
>
> Epitrepse mou ma exw tis epifylakseis moy. Ton teleytaio kairo -kai mhn to
> pareis prosvpika- ksefytrwsan diafores nees kathgories patriwtwv sthn  Ellada
> kai ton Ellhnismo ths diasporas, poy mazi me aytes poy hdh  eydokimoysan tis
> aparithmw parakatw:
>
>Filodoksoi patriwtes-politikanthdes (px Samaras, Papathemelis, ktl.) poy brhkan
> syn tois allois mia kalh eykairia na anebasoyn tis hdh xamhles politikes toys
> metoxes.

	Egw 0a elega oti yparxei kai mia kainourgia kathgoria an0rwpwn..!!
	Einai aytoi poy toys aresei h KRITIKH epi pantws episthtoy..!! Einai
	aytoi poy an den kathgorhsoun toys pantes kai ta panta, niw0oun mia
	elleipsh na toys kaiei ta fyllokardia toys..!!
>
> Tyxodiwktes kai kairoskopoi patriwtes, opws kalhwra o  Sabbopoylos (otan htan
> na yphrethsei to 'paikse trellos kai twra plasarei, elleipsei moysikvn
> empneysewn, fthno patriwtismo)  h o Mertzos (prwhn syntakths toy Ellhnikoy
> Borra kai seshmasmenos dosilogos epi Katoxhs), apo aytoys toys "en prytaneiois
> sitizomenoys kai paxynomenoys" poy mas poyloysane se kathhmerinh bash apo thn
> Ellhnikh thleorash fykia gia metakswtes kordelles. H akoma kai aytos o
> anekdihghtos o Marinos toy Oikonomikoy Taxydromoy poy se  mia syzhthsh
 proteine
> to Israhlino montello: antres gynaikes prwi sth doylia kai to brady sta
> stratopeda. Kala, ayton aston, elleipsei andrikhs syntrofias akoma me th
> manoyla toy menei.
>
> Patriwtes ths stigmhs kai ths plakas: einai aytoi poy treksan me ta shmaiakia
> toys  sta syllalhthria gia "th Makedonia mas kai thn Ellada mas" kai ton
>ypoloipo toys kairo phdane se kathe stash th "Makedonia mas kai thn Ellada mas"
> gia mia xoyfta xiliarika. San enan apo toys lebentes aksiwmatikoys mas poy me
> to ena xeri kratoyse to shmaiaki kai me to allo arpaze o,ti mporoyse apo toys
> "notorious" ergolaboys stratiwtikwn ergwn.

	Esy an hsouyn sth 0essalonikh 0a etrexes sth diadhlwsh ..?? 0a afierwnes
	ligo apo to xrono soy gia na trekseis katw apo to h0iko prostagma ths
	stigmhs..? Mhn koitas ti ekana 'h ti kanoun oi alloi... Koita prwta
	ton eayto soy. Apanthse stis idies erwthseis prwta gia ton eayto soy...
	Mhpws DE 0a phgaines sth sygkentrwsh ayth, me to skeptiko oti den eisai
	kai sy enas apo to ekatommyrio twn Ellhnwn poy sygkentrw0hke ekeinh th
	mera poy "ekmetalleythkan tis peristaseis gia na kerdisoun... "
	Na kerdisoun ..TI..??!!

	(dialogos : -Re sy Kwsta me eides sthn TV poy me edeikse sth sygkentrwsh
		    thn wra poy kratousa thn shmaia kai thn kounaga..?
		    -Nai bre Giannh se eida.. kai ti egine..??
		    -Les na me eide kai to afentiko kai na mou anebasei to
		     mis0o logw toy patriwtismoy poy edeiksa..??!!
		     Oxi tipota allo.. alla na to afentiko einai apo th Flwrina
		     kai exei eyais0hsia se patriwtika zhthmata...!!
		     Na toy th zhthsw thn aykshsh..??!!! )

	Lete 1,000,000 an0rwpoi na skefthkan etsi gia merikes stigmes ekeinh
	wra..??
>
> Oi anetoi (ek toys asfaloys) patriwtes: apo oso thymamai pente xronia twra
> eixame, exoyme kai  tha exoyme sth lista en afthonia. Mia ypokathgoria,poy les
> Giannh, einai kai o legomenos hlektronikos patriwtismos. Kathesai pisw apo mia
> othonh, me to kafedaki kai to donut soy,me th thea soy sto campus kai les ante
> meta thn ereyna na katatropwsw merikoys Toyrkoys kai Slauous.Kai arxizeis eite
> na anamasas thn "endoksh ellhnikh istoria" poy mas mathan sto sxoleio h na
> panhgyrizeis poy skotwthhkan 5 foykarades Toyrkoi naytes se atyxhma.

	Esy anhkeis se kamia apo aytes tis kathgories..?? Mallon oxi..!
	Dior0wse me an kanw la0os... Alla 0a h0ela na moy apanthseis , giati
	na mhn einai estw kai 1% patriwths aytos poy ksodepse 5-10 wres th
	bdomada maxomenos "lektika" pisw apo to "terminalaki toy" prospa0wntas
	na dwsei ston ypoloipo kosmo na katalabei ti ginetai, kai na einai
	"patriwths" aytos poy ka0etai kai kritikarei oloys toys alloys..?!
	H' mhpws den einai patriwths oute aytos..?????!!!

	Telika poios einai PATRIWTHS..?? !!


>
> Telos einai kai aytoi oi dynamei patriwtes poy den theloyn na legontai  etsi,
> kai sixtirizoyn apo to prwi ws to bradi th mama patrida, poy toys xantakwse se
> kapoio apomakro brwmero fylakio, poy 'xoyn na doyn gynaika kai kosmo bdomades
> kai mhnes, gia na fylane synora poy apo thn allh meria einai afylakta (opws
> ta Ellhnoyoukoslabika).

	To na metraei kaneis thn antreiwsynh kai ton patriwtismo toy me to
	poso toy elleipse h gkomena 'h poso kairo toy htan... "xamhlwmenh" (*)
	apo ta krya toy Ebroy 'h ths Flwrinas 'h ths Hpeiroy, einai kati
	poy prwth fora to akouw..!!
	Ektos ki an aytoi DEN einai patriwtes, kai den endiaferontai gia thn
	patrida toys.., alla 0a protimousan na eixan ton Toyrko 'h ton
	Skopiano 'h ton Boulgaro apo pisw toys, na karadokei thn wra poy
	aytoi, me th xarh toy MH patriwth, 0a etrexan na broun kamia gkomena
	na ap'aytwsoun..!!
	Giati "re gamwto" den paei..!! mia bdomada xwris na .."ap'aytwsoume"!!!
	0a repsoume sto telos..!!!

	(*) (de 0elw na xrhsimopoihsw baryteres ekfraseis pros sebasmo se oloys
       	     ekeinous poy de 0a h0elan na diabasoun kati tetoia logia..!)
>
> Lewnidas
>
>
	Se ka0e ti poy symbainei sth zwh yparxoun kai eksaireseis...
	Yparxoun kai oi ekmetalleytes twn peristasewn, alla yparxoun kai oi
	agnoi an0rwpoi poy maxontai gia ta "pisteyw" toys, gia ta idanika toys
	gia ena swro pragmata... Yparxoun aytoi poy maxontai me ka0e tropo
	gia na diathrhsoyn sta xeria toys toys tafous twn progwnwn toys..
	Yparxoun aytoi poy me oti meson mporoun paleyoun gia na kathsoun thn
	klhronomia twn papoudwn toys..
	Poioi einai oi perissoteroi apo tis dyo kathgories..?? Ayto den to
	kserw... Alla 0elw na pisteyw oti einai oi deyteroi. To oti yparxoun
	kai merikoi poy ekmetalleyontai katastaseis pros ofelos toys, einai
	gegonos, kai gia mena anhkoun sthn idia kathgoria me ekeinoys poy
	anebainoun sthn epifaneia thn idia stigmh gia na kathgorhsoun olous
	aytoys toys kairoskopoys kai mazi kai oloys toys ypoloipoys..!!



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