From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Class Warfare is STUPID: (Was: : Where Have All the Liberals Gone?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:47:23 GMT

In article <167C3D822.KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, kenh@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson) writes:
} In article <15146@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
} >In article <167C1FA94.KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, kenh@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson) writes:
} >} Your case example is all wrong.  The government does not assess income
} >} tax on transactions; THAT would be a sales tax.
} >
} >What about the transaction between my employer and me?  Or between me and
} >someone I hire?
}  
} IF there is withholding (and this is not necessarily the case), it is
} contingent NOT ON THE ACT OF PAYMENT by the employer NOR ON THE ACT
} OF PERFORMANCE OF YOUR SERVICES and may be reimbursed entirely based
} only on YOUR NET INCOME at the end of the year.  A transaction-based
} tax is not refundable and applies exactly to the amount of the
} transaction.  You cannot later AVERAGE it and apply for any kind of
} a refund (unless your status was non-taxable when you paid it).

Before I get it, my employer has a certain amount of money that was
received from sales of their product -- a transaction.  After my
employer pays a tax on it (so my employer was denied some part of
what the buyer valued), some of that money is set aside which is used
for my salary.

Once I deliver the software to my employer, I receive that salary --
another transaction.  That money is again taxed, and so again I am being
denied part of what my employer valued.

Some time ago, I had some work done on my house -- another transaction.
The people I hired were paid by me with some of the money I had remaining.
That money was also taxed as income tax for the people who received it.
They were denied part of what I valued in their work.  If it turned out
that these workers were enormously wealthy, even more of the money I paid
would end up in the government as their income tax -- that is NOT where
I wanted it to go.

And in NONE of these cases did government have a legitimate reason to
be involved.

BTW, income tax is based on gross income minus deductions, not net income.

} >} What the government
} >} does in the above case is say to the seller:  Collect all your receipts.
} >
} >The transaction carried out between the other person and me is none of the
} >government's business.
}  
} Then the government should be able to say to you that what it does is
} none of YOUR business.

If it meddles into my affairs, then it is MY business.

} >} Now suppose you try conducting your transaction: 1) with no roadways
} >} or transportation to and from the site of transfer;
} >
} >But I have already paid for my use of that road, either through tolls or
} >gasoline taxes.
}  
} Do your math.  The paultry amounts collected from tolls and gasoline
} taxes pick up only a fraction of the cost!

Irrelevant.  If a grocery store fails to charge me enough for a loaf
of bread, well, tough rocks.  They cannot then go to the clothing
store next door and attach a higher fee onto a pair of pants to make
up for it.  Government should not have the right to attach a higher
fee to a loaf of bread, just because it did not charge enough at the
toll booth.

} >} 2) with no court
} >} system to remedy a rip off by the seller;
} >
} >If there is a ripoff, that will be remedied later.  Government has no
} >business forcing me or the other person to pay for court costs beforehand,
} >when there is no evidence that a ripoff will occur.
}  
} Yes it does, since the court system must be in place...also, you are
} paying for prosecution of people who ripped off other people and in
} that event hopefully get them off the street BEFORE they rip you off.

Again, those costs should be paid for those using the courts.  Just like
hospitals being paid for by people who use their medical care.
--
David Olson ...!att!druwa!dlo
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
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