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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: Need access to writable optical disk or CD rom manufacture facilities
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:56:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.033301.17779@galaxia.network23.com> dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley) writes:
>As part of my church's 100th year celebration, we opened up the
>cornerstone of the church and now are preparing to replace the time
>capsule that was left for us by the original builders with a time
>capsule of our own.  Rather than leaving a lot of paper documents which
>would decay fairly quickly, it was suggested that we leave some form of
>computer media.  The rectors first thought was to leave a couple of
>floppy disks but I pointed out the fact that the magnetic information on
>the disk would probably decay sooner than a paper document would.  It
>then occurred to me that writable optical disks and CD roms have a much
>longer life expectancy.

[...]

>We realize that there is a possibility that the disk will not be readable
>when it is retrieved in the future, both due to disk failure and to the
>fact that the disk format will likely be ancient, but we are willing to
>take that risk.

    Good heavens! Whats wrong with microfilm? It's much cheaper then
a one-off CD ROM (in the low thousand $ range), has a proven
longevity, and is much easier to read.

     Even better and cheaper (provided you don't intend to store
thousands of pages of stuff), photocopy or laserprint documents onto
acid-free, archival standard paper, put it into acid free covers, and
seal it in a dry container (use an argon or nitrogen atmosphere if you
want to get fancy). Even without special protection against
temperature changes, that ought to be good for a thousand years.

     The real durability of CD ROMs is very questionable: They
deteriorate rapidly once air gets to the aluminum - PERHAPS the gold
ones are better in this respect, but no one really knows yet. The
other "optical" technologies are likely to be even more ephemeral -
some of the read/write optical disks also have a magnetic component.

     Beyond this is the loss of machines and software.  I heard
several years ago about a researcher who wanted to look at some of the
original 1960 census data. This was recorded on 6-track tapes, and
after months of searching, he found two machines that could read it -
one in Japan, and the other in the Smithsonian.

     I'd lay long odds against any current machine data format being
easily readable in 2023, let alone 2093. I myself have some 8"
floppies with effectively unrecoverable data (fortunately not very
important) from the late seventies.

						Peter Trei
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: lains@world.std.com (Layne L Ainsworth)
Subject: MBTA Bus schedules
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:33:25 GMT


Does anyone know if a book of bus schedules exists?

Something like the books of train/plane schedules you can get from
Amtrak/Airlines. I don't like the thought of carrying around >60 individual
bus schedules for the whole MBTA bus system. (Not that a complete set even
exists at any schedule rack.) I called the MBTA, and the woman on the line
said that no such animal is available from the MBTA itself.

Maybe a private publisher prints such a book?

Thanks-

Layne


-- 
  Layne Ainsworth | lains@world.std.com <or> ...!{xylogics,uunet}!world!lains
	  The truth can't hurt you; it's just like the dark.
From: everettm@Cayman.COM (Mark Everett)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Home Alarm Systems
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:01:22 GMT
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Distribution: ne
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: oneill@cs.ulowell.edu's message of 5 Jan 93 21:27:52 GMT

In article <C0EGyH.A1E@ulowell.ulowell.edu> oneill@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian 'Doc' O'Neill) writes:
   In article <EVERETTM.93Jan5135902@noman.Cayman.COM> everettm@Cayman.COM (Mark Everett) writes:
   >In article <7567@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> limey@hri.com (Craig Hughes)
   >writes:
   >   I know someone who has an ADT security system in their home.
   >   Apparently cutting the phone line will cause the alarm to be
   >   activated, and the monitoring station to be notified. Does anyone
   >   know how this is done?  Obviously it can't be done via the phone
   >   line!
   >
   >I don't believe this is correct.  There is some sort of telephone line
   >override device that precludes taking the phone off the hook, thereby
   >preventing dialing, once the alarm has been activated.  But I think if
   >someone cuts the lines and then breaks in, the alarm company will not
   >be notified unless they get lucky and are doing a regular status check
   >by dialing up the alarm system.  Even then, they may consider it a
   >telephone problem.
   >

   I believe it is possible. The monitoring system would simply monitor the
   phone line. Loss of signal on the line would cause the system to notify ADT
   via other means, such as a cellular connection or microwave link.

I'm confused.  If the alarm system is hooked up to the monitoring system via a telephone
line, unless there is a continuous virtual circuit between the alarm system and the
monitoring system (i.e., the alarm system dials the monitoring system and _never hangs up_),
how can the monitoring system notice a loss of signal when the two aren't connected?  Or
is there a constant virtual circuit?  I have a friend with ADT, and I thought he said that
it had a separate line, but I would think that the telephone company would want an awful
lot of money to tie up even a local virtual circuit semi-permanently.

   Even if it is just a phone line problem, it would at least notify _someone_
   that the phone is out of order. I know people who have gone days without
   knowing their phone didn't work...

The same friend has been notified that there was an alarm problem after he had done
some telephone wiring.  But I was under the impression this was because of a regularly
scheduled call from the monitoring to the alarm system.
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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: pa_hcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Henry Leong)
Subject: Re: New England Telephone: Reduce your monthly phone bill
Reply-To: pa_hcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
	<SPIKE.93Jan7165709@world.std.com> <106444@bu.edu>
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:02:07 GMT

That sounds like one of those old Saturday Night Live skits. Part of it was
something like "We serve Kings, Queens and the scum of the earth. We're the
Phone Company."
From: heiser@acs.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Packies, was Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:34:30 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <C0DtCy.F90@world.std.com> adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin) writes:
>
>Ditto for the Stop&Shop on Rte. 9 in Newton.  Bill, you must do your
>shopping in a "dry" town. :-).

:-)
Well Natick is nearly "dry", but not quite.  At least there are a couple
of "packies". :-)

But they didn't open on Sunday (g,d&r'ing) like the stores in Framingham
did recently :-(
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin)
Subject: Re: Passing Lane? (was: flavors of MA cops
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:19:32 GMT

In article <07Jan93234126@miracle.com> jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg) writes:
>>>
>>>In Bostonese, "anyone born outside of Rt. 128".
>>>
>>
>>I've also heard it used to describe anybody from  Westa Wuhstuh.
>>
>>
>
>EEEEEK!!!!!  I've lived both east and west of Worcester, and I've never heard 
>somebody refer to the locals like that!!!!
>

Well, of course! You've only lived here 12 years. You don't think the
natives are going to let you in on their lingo, do you? Betcha never heard
anybody use a positive negative (e.g., "so don't I") around here either. :-)


-- 
Adam Gaffin
Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass.
adamg@world.std.com
Voice: (508) 626-3968. Fred the Middlesex News Computer: (508) 872-8461.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Packies, was Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:43:04 GMT

In article <106313@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
>In article <9301051807.30@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>Actually, a lot of them do in western Mass.  Western Mass is like a different
>>state.
>
>Yeah, we ought to sell it to New York :-) :-)
>
>Seriously though, I agree - Western Mass is more like upstate NY than like
>a part of Massachusetts.
>
>

Western Massachusetts is just another part of the state. Eastern Massachusetts,
on the other hand, is more like part of another planet.

Bruce Smith
From: djstracher@ccs1.bbn.com
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:35:38 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Inc., Cambridge, MA
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: djstracher@ccs1.bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs1.bbn.com

In article <SPIKE.92Dec31155808@world.std.com>, spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>
>	Ah, the escalation of it all.  States (and Canadian provinces)
>which ban Radar Detectors are now using Radar Detector Detectors
>(really), next we'll have Radar Detector Detector Detectors.  You can
>buy a radar jammer which process the radar signal and send it back
>showing any speed you want.  For some high performance cars you can
>buy stealth front ends which refect the radar signal away from the
>gun. In California you can buy Cop Detectors which can detect the
>radio repeaters the CHP use in cruisers for hand held radios.
>
>	Then there are radar seeking missles.
>
>->Spike


Since radar detectors are passive in nature it would not be possible to have a
radar detector detector. ( YES I have heard about these devices but don't
believe they exist or can exist). 

Radar jammers are illegal in the US since they broadcast and in order to do so
you need a license from the FCC. I would love to see you try and get one of
those. 

In many states (such as CT, NY and I believe MA) it is illegal to use these
stealth body parts or any other technique to screw radar. Such as aluminum foil
in the hubcaps or radiator grill. Another good one is to line the hood and
engine compartment with reflective MYLAR. Make sure you crumble it up first and
the fletten it.

The cop detectors you describe probably exist but it sounds like the cop has to
be transmitting for them to "detect".

I have one of those Escort (formerly Cincinatti Microwave) Laser detectors and
I'm not sure if it works. The technology is fairly new and not in widespread
usage yet (by police departments) and mine has never gone off. I'm sure that I
haven't been hit by laser yet because if I was I would have been pulled over
(yes I have a heavy foot). I would think that the technology is pretty good
since Escort makes both the detectors and Laser Guns. They work on the same
principal as radar detectors, i.e. picking up reflected and scattered signals.


Dave Stracher
From: rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:18:31 -0000
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
NNTP-Posting-Host: calamari.hi.com

In article <SPIKE.93Jan5213440@world.std.com> spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>
>	I came up with a good first pass at cleaning the Mass drivers
>gene pool this morning.  Confiscate the cars of folks who don't know
>enough to turn their head lights on on a dark rainy day, like this
>morning...

About two years ago New York passed a law requiring drivers to turn on their
headlights whenever it was raining heavily enough to require use of
windshield wipers.  (You can even buy a gadget that couples the headlights
to the wiper switch so they turn on automagically.)  But I don't think any
such law could ever be passed in the only state to repeal a mandatory
seat-belt law...

AWR

Newsgroups: ne.general
From: vail@tegra.com (Johnathan Vail)
Subject: Re: Channel 56
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:06:49 GMT



In article <106130@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:

   In article <MSALETNI.93Jan4121100@jade.tufts.edu> msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik) writes:
   >Anyone notice that channel 56 is now broadcasting in stereo?  I

   How about in Dolby Surround Sound?                                                  

I still haven't figured out where "Dolby Surround Sound" comes from.
Obviously it requires stereo but the surround encoding is on the
source material.  Star Trek TNG as is most programming uses surround
sound.  It is quite effective for some shows.

But I notice that newscasts on some channels are effectively MONO, so
in surround mode only the center channel is used.  Some channels do
some kind of stereo that results in the "cave" effect.  And some
generate a good surround effect for newscasts.

And how about SAP?  Channel 2 is the only station I have seen that
uses it although some stations broadcast main audio on it (like
channel 4).

jv

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From: jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Passing Lane? (was: flavors of MA cops
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:15:52 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>In article <106311@bu.edu>, heiser@acs.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
>=> In article <7569@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com 
>=> (Bill Lambert) writes:
>=> >
>=> >You furrina's are all alike. You assume that there's no rhyme
>=>      ^^^^^^^^
>=> 
>=> What's a "furrina"?
>
>In Bostonese, "anyone born outside of Rt. 128".
>
>You should learn the local language when you are living
>in a furrin country.
>
>- Bill

Oh, really??? I've lived in this state for twelve years, and I've never heard
that term before.  I know plenty of people inside the 128 area, and I've never
heard them use that term.

J.T.


The BORG are DEAD!!!!
Long live the Federation!!!





Xref: sparky ne.general:3686 rec.arts.sf.misc:3625
From: djg@phoenix.genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham)
Newsgroups: ne.general,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Articles About Internet in Mass Media (Was Internet (Globe article))
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:13:43 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix.genrad.com

In article <1992Dec31.201049.3425@mail.cornell.edu> phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.190901.25444@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>
>|> Of course not.  But I'm sure they will write more often than they do now.
>|> Currently people either use the phone or ignore their elders, resulting in
>|> a society much worse documented than, say, the Victorians, who often wrote
>|> to each other twice a day.  At least we now have the chance of archiving
>|> family correspondence.
>
>If in fact people archive anything.  I am a great fan of letter-writing, and when
>I get them, I usually toss them after I've read them.  Saving letters is a more
>a "cultural" thing (per person) and I suspect that most people won't.
>
>How many of you save your email?
>
Oh! Me! ME! I do! (Well, most of it...the simple stuff I chuck, but I
have mail from friends saved in files.)

If it's business related, I save it until the job is finished, then I
clean out the mbox file. This could be months. I have been known to
have over 500 mail messages in the mbox file.

If I can answer the question quickly, I delete the mail after wards.

But then, at home, it's a different story...NOT! My husband cleans up
and throws away all the important stuff...Christmas letters from 3
years agao that I've been meaning to answer any day now...

I will admit that now that I'm in more than daily contact with some
people, I don't save all the messages. Maybe there is hope for me,
after all.

deb
(djg@genrad.com)
From: gaf@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Gerald Feldman)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: gaf@aosg.gsf.dec.com
Distribution: ne
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1993Jan08.161209.10636@kronos.com>, ed@kronos.com (Ed Baker) writes:
|> I had my wife's Hyundai up to 100 MPH once.  Also, she got a ticket for
|> going 82 on 495 when her radar detector was broken.  I was going 87 on
|> 295 in NJ when the radar detector went crazy.  I applied brakes, but then
|> let up and got a ticket for 66; if I had only continued to brake...  The
|> ticket never got reported to MA, though.  Also, if you're driving through
|> Lexington, Lincoln, or Concord the radar detector is invaluable.

-- 
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From: everettm@Cayman.COM (Mark Everett)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:47:48 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: heiser@acs.bu.edu's message of 5 Jan 93 00:39:51 GMT

In article <106129@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:

   In article <1993Jan4.162707.6097@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
   >Don't do this. Speed alone doesn't warrant use of the left lane. It is for
   >*passing* only. Being "asleep at the wheel" (cruise control) makes it that
   >much worse. If I were a cop, I'd ticket people for travelling exclusively
   >in the passing lanes, regardless of speed.

   I would too!  However driving in Massachusetts for a number of years
   has thoroughly convinced me that most people don't know the purpose of
   the *passing lane*.  I know when I took driver ed (in New Hampshire),
   the use of Passing Lanes was emphasized.  Perhaps Massachusetts doesn't
   make such an emphasis?  Perhaps most drivers in Mass haven't taken
   driver ed?  Perhaps most drivers in Massachusets just coun't give
   a damn?

I started driving well before I came to this area.  I used to live in Gaithersburg, MD,
and at one point was working in Falls Church,VA. I've also been in traffic near San
Francisco and Chicago.  In all cases, the passing lanes were taken up by "regular"
drivers (i.e., not passing), because even using the passing lanes, there was insufficient
road bandwidth to handle the traffic.  My theory for the prevalent disregard for proper
passing lane use in MA is that all major traffic arteries have significantly greater
volume than their design supports.  The reason for the prevalent disregard for proper
passing lane use elsewhere in MA is simply bad habits.


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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Subject: Re: ne.singles? (was Re: ne.personals?)
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:41:37 GMT

I haven't seen any con arguments to the creation of ne.singles, but I
don't think the discussion is complete without pointing out the obvious:

Netnews is falling over under its own weight.  At companies and
institutions where there aren't rooms full of gigabyte disk drives,
it's real hard to justify the cost of running a full newsfeed (it
literally takes about a gigabyte to do that at current traffic rates,
and traffic is growing rapidly, more rapidly than the decline of disk
prices).  Most netnews is of little interest to most people, in
particular those who sign the purchase orders.  What is going to
happen more and more often is a partitioning of the newsreading
community: sites will drop news hierarchies just to conserve
resources.

Groups like ne.singles or particularly ne.personals are fodder for the
arguments of purchase-order-signing authorities who ask the question:
Why should we carry netnews; how does it benefit my organization?

Not that I agree with this argument, but it's one which should not
be ignored in this discussion.

-rich
Newsgroups: ne.general,ne.motss
From: spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
Subject: Re: RFD: A singles discussion group for the ne distribution
Organization: Software Tool & Die
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:41:48 GMT

drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R. Guilderson) writes:
<ne.singles (unmoderated)
<Charter: For discussion and announcement of singles related activities
<and experiences in the New England area.
<ne.personals (unmoderated)
<Charter: For the posting of personal advertizements.  Any discussion
<arising from posts in this group should be shifted to ne.singles.

	I still think one group (ne.singles) is enough to start.  I do
not believe they will be enough traffic to justify two groups, and if
it turns out I'm wrong, I see no problem with creating "ne.personals"
after the fact.  I don't think "momentum" is an issue, because the
anonymous posting software (which I am willing to set up), can easily
be moved from "ne.singles" to "ne.personals" if "ne.singles" becomes
overrun.

->Spike
From: jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:30:33 GMT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>In article <lkrlsaINNkju@news.bbn.com> djstracher@ccs1.bbn.com writes:
><Since radar detectors are passive in nature it would not be possible to have a
><radar detector detector. ( YES I have heard about these devices but don't
><believe they exist or can exist). 
>
>	The "rec.autos" FAQ claims the work, and are very common in
>Canada.  Radar Detectors may be passive, but apparently the have a
>identifiable RF signature.
>
><The cop detectors you describe probably exist but it sounds like the cop has to
><be transmitting for them to "detect".
>
>	So long as anyone else is transmitting the repeater transmits
>TO the hand held radio.  Apparently, they leave the repeaters on even
>when they are in the car.
>
>->Spike

You people realize, of course, that this is completely irrelevant in states like
Connecticut, where radar detectors are illegal.  I have no idea what the fine is
for getting caught with one, but I know that they are definitely illegal.  I
also know that Conn. state police seem to be a lot more on the job than the Mass
state police.  I have a friend who lives in Conn. who got pulled over twice in
one week, and by the same cop, on two completely different stretches of road
that were miles apart from each other, actually on two different highways!!

J.T.


The BORG are DEAD!!!!
Long live the Federation!!!
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Home Alarm Systems
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:46:03 EST (Tue)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

>Would any self-respecting burglar neglect to disconnect the phone lines
>before entering the house?

Yes.  Some kinds of alarms including one that I used to have here in my
house set off the alarm instantly (at the alarm station) if the line is cut.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl