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From: msm@uu.es (Marcelo San Martin)
Subject: Booting 386BSD from the network
Keywords: boot 386BSD
Organization: UUES
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:41:11 GMT


It possible the boot from the network (Sun diskless like) with 386 BSD ?, I have 
many PC 386 diskless (only floppy disk).

Please send me e-mail as soon as possible to msm@uu.es.

thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: thomas@hotb.sub.org (Thomas Brettinger)
Subject: 386BSD QIC-02 Driver with Wangtek 5150PK is sloooooow
Organization: Home of the brave
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:13:18 GMT
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Hi.
I got 386BSD running on a noname sx, 4 Meg Ram, a 100M Conner Disk, WD
Elite and a Wangtek 5150PK QIC-02 Streamer.

The system runs fine, but the tape driver is incredibly slow. I looked
at the source and saw, that it's using 512 byte blocks... Oh well.

I have absolutely no idea  of how to  program that tape controller. If
anybody ever has  hacked  the driver up  for  more speed   it would be
great, if he could send me mail...

Thomas


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   (home)    thomas@hotb.sub.org                "Ace ist die Fortsetzung von
   (uni)     bretting@hrz.th-darmstadt.de        DOS mit anderen Mitteln!"
   (IRC)     Wish                                              -- Tim Ganske
From: STDN%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: mwrite and mdir don't work... :(
Date: 12 Aug 1992 16:22:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When I try to use mwrite and mdir I get a message saying:

 init: open: file or directory does not exist

It doesn't even look to the A: drive.
Has anyone else had this problem or know how to solve it?

Thanks,
  -Dan
STDN@VM.MARIST.EDU
From: raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daryanani)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Text mode windows
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:20:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London


Several weeks ago someone posted a question asking about doing text-mode 
windows to run multiple processes under 386BSD (sorta like the virtual 
terminals in SCO).  Unfortunately I didn't save the answers and have since 
discovered my machine is not up to running X until it gets a major upgrade.  
Could someone please let me know the file and where I can ftp it from?

Thanks,

Raju
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From: hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: selling 386BSD (was Re: 386BSD on CD-ROM?)
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:47:28 GMT
Organization: HCS GmbH, Hamburg, Europe

In <1992Aug14.160938.22432@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dmuntz@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Daniel A Muntz) writes:

>In article <1557@hcshh.hcs.de> hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes:
>>In <1992Aug12.100430.3467@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) writes:
>Aaaagggghhhhh!  If everyone starts putting their own copyrights in the code
>we might as well all buy BSD386.  When a university wants to start using a
>software package, the u lawyers have to evaluate all of the licensing/copyright
>garbage associated with it.  If they have to evaluate every file on an 
>individual basis, possibly having to contact > 100 people, institutional use
>of 386bsd is threatened. 

ok, you are right, i didn't had a look at it from this side.

but, what can be done to stop those money-makers from selling something which
ought to be free, and give people who just want to USE it, the chance of
getting/using/modifying/etc. it in whatever way they like ?

or, shall i just don't care about the money-makers ?

or, not posting software ?

or, what ?

in my understanding, if one sells something, what someone else "made", that
someone has a right to get at least some of the money from the one who sold it.

(i don't want money from someone, i just want that when i give something for
 free, that it stays free!)

if the one who "made" something, gave it away for free, then everyone giving
it away has to give it for free.

or did i miss something ?

just asking,
hellmuth
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: bri@pegasus.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom)
Subject: Re: Restrictions on 'free' UNIX / 386BSD (Re: selling 386BSD)
Organization: mit
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:00:55 GMT

***FLAME BIT ON***
In article <325@sleepy.UUCP> skutvik@sleepy.UUCP ( ECMS TEST) writes:
>In article <CGD.92Aug14204505@agate.berkeley.edu>, cgd@agate.berkeley.edu (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
>> re: the serial driver stuff:
>> As a matter of fact, I had just reconsidered, and was about to take
>> the copyright notice *OFF* the file, and lo, and behold, i got hit by N
>> flames.
Thanks to all the flamers for ruining this one. when i first saw them
hitting i thought, "hopefully someone will just SUGGEST to him nicely
that he might rethink his copyright, or possibly remove it. yeah, cgd
will be reasonable about it i'm sure. i wont bother then, since others
will" guess i was wrong. the only people who seemed to have responded
have done nothing but made things worse. i hope you get screwed cause
you cant use his com driver. go write your own...
>...
>> remember: you have no *rights* to the works of others; anything they
>> 	decide to give to you, be *GLAD* for.
>...
i respect cgd's rights to his property, but would hope he would donate
his com driver to us. if not, oh well. if is that important, i'm sure
one of the flamers will write one, if they can.
***FLAME BIT OFF***

>  ****Ughh, I hate it when I get up on a soapbox*****
sigh, so do i. maybe it would have helped if someone had earlier...

-bri


Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: fpm@crash.cts.com (Frank Maclachlan)
Subject: 386BSD-0.1 bad144 bad sector handling
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:22:22 PDT
Followup-To: fpm@crash.cts.com (Frank P. MacLachlan)
Summary: It works w/ explanation
Keywords: bad144, defects, ESDI

Greetings:

Bad144 bad sector handling in the 386BSD-0.1 wd driver is not
broken if you take certain precautions.  My experience is with
a Western Digital WD1007v-se2 ESDI controller and an Imprimus
(aka CDC) 94166-182 drive.

When you format the drive, make sure that you mark the defects.
This guarantees that any attempt to read or write a sector
containing a defect will return an error.  The WD1007v on-board
format utility allows defects to be automatically marked from
the the drive's defect list.

The wd driver, as noted by others here, checks only if the first
sector in a transfer is in the bad144 table.  If it is, a replace-
ment sector is used.  But what about sectors 2 and beyond in a
mult-sector transfer?  Consider a multi-sector transfer where
one of the sectors other than the first sector is in the bad144
table and has been properly marked as bad.  The driver scans the
bad144 table, doesn't find the sector and a multi-sector transfer
with no sector replacement is started.  The driver transfers the
sectors up to the sector containing the defect and then gets an 
error on the sector containing the defect (note that the sector
has been marked and will *always* return an error).  The driver
sees the error in wdintr and, as part of its error recovery logic,
restarts the transfer at the sector containing the error by calling
wdstart with a single sector transfer request.  The bad sector is
the first (and only) sector in the transfer and is correctly replaced
by the bad144 table lookup code.

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From: grog@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: selling 386BSD (was Re: 386BSD on CD-ROM?)
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:20:44 GMT
Organization: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany

In article <1557@hcshh.hcs.de> hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes:
>In <1992Aug12.100430.3467@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) writes:
>
>i can understand chris. yesterday i saw an ad in the german "unix magazin",
>where a company named "tuttle design" sells 386bsd 0.1 on tape for 399,- DM,
>which is about 250 US$. they say in the ad, that a contribution to bill jolitz
>is contained in this price....
>
Well, DM 399 sounds rather high, but don't forget that people have to
make a living as well. As soon as you start advertising the stuff, you
*have* to charge money just to make ends meet. The smallest ad in UNIX
Magazin costs over DM 600; last time we put an ad in there, it led to
about 3 orders. And we sell our tapes for DM 200 - when you add in the
cost of the tape, we lost money on the deal. We came to the conclusion
that we should stop advertising.

>conclusion: in every piece of software, i will put an equivalent copyright
>	    notice in. i spend an enormous amount of time writing an pccons
>	    device driver (watch out for it), and i do not like it, if some-
>	    one else is making money with it.

As you see, nobody's making much money. The charge is not for the
software, just for the handling. I don't know what kind of copyright
notice would protect against that, even if it made sense.

>if anyone in germany thinks of buying from them, contact me, i will cut
>a tape for you if you contrib 250US$ (or whatever you can give) DIRECTLY
>to the jolitz's.

Sure thing. And if you put in the tape for free, I might even take you
up on it :-)

>don't misunderstand me, my contrib is on the way to bill & lynne, and if some-
>one sells 386bsd and gives ALL the money to the jolitz's, there is nothing
>wrong with it - i would like some sort of centralized version/revision 
>management for 386bsd >= 0.2, and in order to do it, they need money !

Don't misunderstand me. If you want 386bsd from me, you can call us up
and get it via uucp for nothing. But it costs more money than you
think to maintain archives and supply ``free'' software (yes, we
really do put that in parentheses in our literature). The FSF charges
$200 for their tapes, by the way.
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LEMIS                            | Fax: +49-6637-1489
Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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From: rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: : searching for Usenix conferences
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:29:40 GMT

rcs08945@zach.fit.edu (Jerome Christatos /ADVISOR Clay) writes:
>	My request came after I found interesting papers on  
>	"aupair.cs.athabascau.ca" about sun and other ones on "cse.ogi.edu" 

We're glad that you found them interesting.  HOWEVER (harumpf)
the correct symbolic name for the Athabasca U anon-ftp archive
is ftp.cs.athabascau.ca (it just happens to be aupair.cs right
now; I might change it with very little notice).

regards,
Ross
(admin, athabascau.ca domain.)

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From: mfg@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Problems building new 386bsd kernel
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:49:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I've got 386bsd installed and booting from the hard disk with no
problems.  I can't get it to boot with anything other than the kernel
it is shipped with though.  When I try it just sits there with the
access lights for the first floppy drive and the hard disk on, doing
nothing.  Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work, the only way out is to power
off, boot from floppy, mount the disk and copy the old kernel back.
Does anyone have any idea what may be wrong?

Another problem appears in the kernel building itself - I get an
undefined symbol error for version.  I got around this by adding a
declaration

	char *version="xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";

This works, but surely config should generate this by itself.  To
create the Makefile etc. I cd to /usr/src/sys.386bsd/i386.conf and
type something like "config SMALL" - is there anything else I need to
do?

All of this is on an Elonex PC 386B/25, a 386SX machine.

Thanks in advance

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: satmech@ecst.csuchico.edu (satmech)
Subject: Re: 386bsd-0.1 and DOS co-existance
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.233307.9174@gumby.dsd.trw.com> gottloeb@eel.dsd.trw.com () writes:
>Has anyone successfully installed 386bsd-0.1 on a DOS system in which
>the disk is an IDE drive using a translation geometry (i.e. not the
>native number of cyls., etc.) in the BIOS?
>
>When I try it, the disk is correctly written along with the correct
>geometry in the label.  However, when I try to boot off the disk,
>the kernel disk driver insists on fetching the disk geometry from
>the disk (see wdgetctlr) rather than from the BIOS as the install
>procedure does. Consequently, it can not find the label.
>
>Does anyone know why it is done this way?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jeff
>gottloeb@trwrb.dsd.trw.com
>

I seem to be having a similiar problem, 386bsd boots from the conner
3420 205 meg IDE drive fine when the whole 205 meg is used but when
a small dos partition is used with 386bsd placed in the second partition,
the system continuously reboots with a very quick message saying something
about the disklabel.  When I examined the disklabel with the fixit disk,
it appeared obviously wrong, with rev rate of 0 when it should be 3600,
interleave of 0 when it should be 1, etc.. tried editing it with
disklabel -e wd0 after making some space but to no avail.

I'd like to hear from people who have successfully installed it on an IDE
drive w/msdos.

Thanks.

Steven Chandler
satmech@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Aug18.155958.3671@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>In article <GTFIR8A@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>#And while it's [MSDOS] a screaming horror from
>#the sewers of hell, it *does* run out of the box without any diddling, and
>#has a zillion applications for it.
>
>Then how come every time my brother wants to install a new program, I
>have to use EDLIN to edit the config.sys file on his pc?


Probably to make up for something really evil that you did years ago.


That's where the "...sewers of hell..." fit in.

:-)

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: andrew@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Andrew Low)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Tiny 386BSD boot problem w/IDE and Adaptec SCSI
Organization: Zone4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.050157.10658@i88.isc.com> 
mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec) writes:
>Sorry if this is a FAQ. Is there a problem with booting Tiny 386BSD
>on a machine with IDE primary and Adaptec SCSI secondary disk controllers?

I had a similar problem.  My machine has IDE drives only, and on 0.0
it booted ok (the HD's complained a lot, somethine was wrong).  Version 0.1
did the same hang after indicating that it was changing the root to floppy.

How I fixed it - I dug up the native geometry of my IDE drive (this took
a call to someone who had the technical specs for the drive).  It turns 
out that the drive LIES to the bios about its geometry, this was some how
confusing bsd.  Since I could not boot 0.1, I disklabeled with 0.0 and now
0.1 will boot.  I have yet to install 0.1, but don't anticipate a problem
now that the drives are quiet and happy (lots of screaming under 0.0
originally due to incorrect drive geometry).

All: I'm still confused about the bad sector allocation - can a mini
tutorial for "designing a disktab entry" be placed in the faq?  That
and how this relates to Bad144..
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               "dreams are all that separate us from the machines"
Xref: sparky comp.unix.bsd:4027 comp.os.linux:7996 comp.sys.laptops:3124
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: Which one likely candidate to run on a notebook
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:22:11 GMT
	<1992Aug8.123253.21440@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


I'm another linux user on a 386sx notebook.  I've noticed very few
problems, and on my 60 meg partition, I've still got 10 available.
No, I don't keep the os sources on-line.

I do "real work" on my notebook (emacs, latex for text processing, and
gcc for hacking).  Love it!

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                The effect of his affected accent affected her,
                   and effected a change in her affections.

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 680x0 version of 386BSD?? [Was: Re: Mac version of 386BSD??]
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:22:20 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Aug19.093937.14857@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.174205.23671@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Nikolaus E Schuessler) writes:
>>Since most of the source is written in C, I believe that most of the time
>>is going to be spent writing drivers for disks, displays, etc...
>
>Right, that's what I thought too.  It's just that the project is too big for
>me to do alone.
>
>>What platform did you have in mind?
>
>Atari TT or Falcon (68030).  But what I consider most important is the fact
>that - when done right - the binaries of all 680x0 implementations will be 
>interchangeable, just like the Minix versions for Atari, Mac and Amiga.


There is a 680x0 binary standard for SVR4 systems, but I'm not sure who
is supporting it besides Commodore.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: center4@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: How could I add 2nd Hardisk in 386BSD 0.1 ?
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:22:47 GMT

Dear Sir:
        Now I want to install the 2nd Hardisk Conner 30104 (120MB)
in my 386BSD 0.1 System, what's the step:
        Could you give me the detail procedure and disktab file.

        Thanks very much!!

Sheng, I-shing
center4@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
From: dmp3592@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dean M. Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Problems building new 386bsd kernel
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:51:57 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <24886@castle.ed.ac.uk> mfg@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Gordon) writes:
>Another problem appears in the kernel building itself - I get an
>undefined symbol error for version.  I got around this by adding a
>declaration
>
>	char *version="xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
>
>This works, but surely config should generate this by itself.  To

I had the same problem myself.  It is caused by Makefile.i386 missing
some info.  Unfortunately, the fixes are at home.  I found the problem
by: cp GENERICISA FLAKEY;config FLAKEY;cd /sys/compile
diff GENERICISA/Makefile FLAKEY/Makefile

Examine the diff's and edit Makefile.i386 as appropriate.
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From: tmh@doppel.first.gmd.de (Thomas Hoberg)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Choice of SCSI tape drive for 386bsd (longish blater)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:55:43 GMT
	<1992Aug19.112710.25394@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>
	<1574@hcshh.hcs.de>
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: hm@hcshh.hcs.de's message of 20 Aug 92 07:17:40 GMT


   >In article <1992Aug19.083635.214@cc.uow.edu.au> pejn@cc.uow.edu.au (Paul Nulsen) writes:
   >>What type of SCSI tape drive would you recommend for use in a 386bsd system?

No answer is right for everybody. For SCSI there are three main
technologies:

1) 8mm (Exabyte)
2) 4mm (DAT)
3) QIC

I believe Exabytes are most expensive per unit, mature technology,
widely available and do around 5GB with compression. Tapes are pretty
cheap and easy to come by. For a standalone system this may be
overkill as you may just have a couple hundred of megs to save.
Interoperatability is great with other Exabytes but my friends don't
seem to have them :-) Throughput is anywhere from 200KB/s to 500KB/s I
believe. 

DAT is sold by more than just one vendor a little cheaper than Exabyte
and holds around 2.5GB currently. Tapes are even less expensive and
easier to get. Still DAT doesn't seem to be used by a lot of people,
maybe it's not a very transparent market. Don't know about the
throughput but it should be better than 200KB/sec, too.

QIC comes in many sizes, everything from 45MB to 1.3GB (without compression).
A QIC drive can usually read all lower capacity formats, but not write
them all. The hurdle is QIC 60 I think. Any drive that will do QIC 120
or better can't write QIC <120 tapes, although QIC 60 media can be
used for QIC 120 on such a drive. Tapes can be pretty expensive and
more difficult to get for the higher capacities (QIC 525 or better).
Throughput is around 90KB/sec for QIC <320 and around 200KB/sec for
QIC <1350. QIC 1350 is supposed to be around 500KB/sec. 10GB capacity
is promised by the end of the decade (so far the QIC companies have
lived up to their promises), so the QIC drives promise the best
growing path.

I personaly chose a Tandberg 3800 QIC 525 drive, because
1) it allows me to exchange tapes with just about everybody
2) I got lots of QIC 60 tapes for free (which I can use as 120MB
scratch volumes)
3) it allowed me to back up even my biggest file system on a single
tape (1GB disk, biggest file system is 510MB)
4) Unix doesn't deliver a lot more than 200KB/sec off it's file system
when doing backups, so higher tape drive speeds have no practical
value, indeed might be slower because the drive might stop streaming.

Hope this is of some value, Thomas
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