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From: ray.chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com (ray.chramega)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dario Argento
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:02:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: mixcom.1992Apr13.060202.21298
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

In <Mdu9=pC00Uh7M2h1xn@andrew.cmu.edu> mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer) writes:

>Anyone out there familiar with films by Dario Argento who could list
>what is available on VHS in the U.S. uncut and possibly write short
>reviews? I have so far seen "Susupiria", "Terror At the Opera" and
>"Unsane". The uncut versions of Suspiria and Terror at the Opera are
>fantastic (Suspiria being the better film of the two). Unsane looked
>like it might have been butchered - not very memorable but then I saw it
>years ago. thanks -Marc

Despite the lousy dubbing done on Argento's films for U.S. release... (I'd
greatly prefer subtitles), I've recently seen 

THE CHURCH - A story about a medieval village that was completely destroyed
and its citizens executed and buried in a mass grave because it was thought
they were all witches. An enormous cathedral was erected on the site and
rigged with special traps in case the evil was ever released by someone. In
modern times the evil does escape and all hell is unleashed upon innocent
people who were unfortunate enough to become trapped inside the church on
that fateful day.

DEMON - This is about people in modern times who are unsuspectingly coaxed
to a special showing of a film at a creepy looking theater that apparently
just appears where a theater never existed before. The film then
paradoxically tangles the spectators into a life threatening clash with the
demonoid creatures from the film they were just watching.

DEMON 2 - The demon makeup is much improved in the sequel in my opinion, but
both films are just as creepy. The demons have apparently impressed
themselves upon society and now they have their own TV show. Yup! now the
demons pop up on TV and they're popular enough that just about every
resident of the high-rise apartment complex where Demons 2 takes place tuned
in to see them. One demon takes a chance experimenting with Interactive-TV
and crashes a birthday party in the complex. Apparently the birthday girl
was glad to see him, she let him kiss her on the first date. Anyway, the
apartment complex is eventually overrun with demons and the residents are
again conveniently trapped without exits. A popular Argento signature in my
book.
-- 
"...This has been a test of the emergency broadcasting system. If this had
 been an actual emergency, the attention signal you just heard would have
 been followed by mass panic, total chaos and screaming."

Ray Chramega                    Email: Chramega@mixcom.COM or mmwwmm@mixcom.COM
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Michael's brother)
Subject: Friday the 13th The Series
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:12:59 GMT

   Okay all you Friday the 13th fans, let's play "Extend the
Thread".  What was your favorite episode and what was the best
cursed object IYHO?  My favorite episode would have to be the
one in which the car radio would send the driver back in time.
The B&W cinematography was gorgeous.  I remember flipping
through the channels one night and not realizing that the Fri. 13th
episode and the neat looking Klan movie were actually the same
thing.  As for best object, I'd vote for the cross in the
vampire episode.  It was an all-around great idea.  The
conflict of having to kill a human to be able to kill a vampire
really fit the mood of that episode.  I'm planning on putting a
similar object in a CoC game and seeing how the players deal
with the dilemma.

					Dave

--
From: HeroSoftware@cup.portal.com (Bits of Magic)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Horror magazines
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 21:25:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I have seen Gorezone at Tower Books.

The best horror magazines I have found are Cemetery Dance and Iniquities.
Lots of cool stories, interviews, etc.  Check it out!

Ken Zarifes
<HeroSoftware@cup.portal.com>
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Nightmare Cafe
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:34:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr4.183848.2190@newstand.syr.edu>, dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M Powell) writes...

} Wes Craven (director on "Nightmare on Elm Street," "Shocker," "The Hills
} Have Eyes" et. al.) can't seem to decide what he wants to do with this
} show. He wrote and directed this episode, so I'll put the blame on him.
[...]
} What I would suggest is for Craven to surrendur the writing duties a bit,

I don't see how he could do it much more than he already has. Aside from
the last episode, he co-wrote the pilot, and co-wrote the story (but not
the teleplay) for the episode with Fay's sister. And he didn't direct any
of the episodes. So his direct contribution to the series was pretty minimal,
unlike say David Lynch's with TWIN PEAKS.

} and let some of horrors big-name writers pen some episodes. It would help,
} and it's not unusual. Harlan Ellison adapted Stephen King's "Gramma" for 
} the ressurected "Twilight Zone," and also wrote an episode of "Eerie,
} Indiana" (a far better series, IMO).

Ellison wrote for EERIE, INDIANA???  This is the first I've heard of it.
I don't watch the show, but that's something that I would've expected to
hear through the sf grapevine before now. Ellison swore off writing for TV
long ago, and if he changed his mind, that would be news.

(And with regards to TZ, Ellison wrote more than just the adaptation of
"Gramma"; he also wrote two original scripts, adapted another story that
was never produced, and wrote the stories on which were based two other
episodes.)

} Richard Christian Matheson works in TV, fa' Christ sakes.

So does his father. As has/does Ray Bradbury, Michael McDowell, George
R.R. Martin, and a number of other sf/fantasy/horror writers. It's nothing
new.

Hell, Craven himself did a lot of directing for THE TWILIGHT ZONE, too.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: c9107143@cc.newcastle.edu.au (SNACK ON DANGER DINE ON DEATH)
Subject: Friday The 13th The Legacy????????????????
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:06:07 GMT

Does anyone know anything about a film called
 Friday the 13th -the legacy (i think...) it had no number
 and I think it was a spin off of the normal jason series
 during the 80s i think
 thanks
 please e-mail me
later
Kurgen
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: Flatliners
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:58:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1934@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>Would you have said the same thing about "It's a Wonderful Life" ?
>If an angel can show Jimmy Stewart what life would have been like
>if he hadn't been born, to convice him to live, then why can't
>an angel show Tim Robbins (Jacob Singer) what life would be like
>if he lives, to convince him to let go and die?

	That's precisely the difference. Nothing is accomplished by that
vision. His body is wrecked. He ain't-a gonna live no more. He's dead Jim.
No matter what vision you show him, it won't change the fact that he's going
to die.

	Moreover, that vision is not even bad enough to necessarily convince
him to die. Hell, it might more convince him to live, if only to spread the
word about the drug! At least ONE of those vision-life timetracks was actually
pretty decent. And even the worse one had its advantages. Certainly advantages
over being DEAD.

	So once more: it's a useless vision.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: cgrazian@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (GRAZIANO)
Subject: Re: T.E.D. KLEIN
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:10:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.085803.3746@rose.uucp> david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan) writes:
>Have you heard of any recent books from Klein?  I have Dark Gods and his
>novel The Ceremonies (also an excellent work).  I also have a few other
>short pieces by him scattered in various magazines and anthologies.
>Regrettably, he is not a prolific author, and finding new material by
>him is a definite challenge.
>
>David Vaughan

The only other thing I know about Klein is that he was editor for _Twilight
Zone_ magazine for a while.  I would also be interested in finding more
about him, if anyone cares to post/email...
-- 
Christopher Graziano, Stony Brook, NY		"It's hard to be religious when
cgrazian@ic.sunysb.edu (129.49.12.74)		 	certain people aren't
Bitnet: CGRAZIAN@SBCCVM              				obliterated by lightning."
                                     					- Calvin
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tfagerqu@isis.cs.du.edu (Thomas R. Fagerquist)
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th The Series
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211259.16892@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Michael's brother) writes:
>   Okay all you Friday the 13th fans, let's play "Extend the
>Thread".  What was your favorite episode and what was the best
>cursed object IYHO?  My favorite episode would have to be the
>
>					Dave
>

My favorite episode was the the cursed wheelchair and the Marquis
DeSade painting.  The best cursed object was the wheelchair.  It was
difficult to put the young lady in the role of a villian considering
how she got into the chair in the first place.

Also, is Stephanie, the actress who played the young lady still
active on the net?  I haven't seen her post in a while.

Tom

tfagerqu@edu.du.cs
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 11:21:57 EDT
From: <AMPHYS01@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Witches

How about Macbeth?

Sharon
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dario Argento
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:53:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <Mdu9=pC00Uh7M2h1xn@andrew.cmu.edu>, mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer) writes...

} Anyone out there familiar with films by Dario Argento who could list what
} is available on VHS in the U.S. uncut  [...]  The uncut versions of Suspiria
} [... is] fantastic

The problem is that even when it's "uncut", you're still missing about a
third of the film. SUSPIRA was shot in a widescreen format, and about a
third of it gets cropped off for videotape. The laserdisc version is
letterboxed, which gives you the entire width, and the film *must* be
seen this way. Argento makes great use of the widescreen format in his
compositions.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Necronomicon Pres
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:19:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr9.101936.1273
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I'd like to know if anyone here can tell me how long it takes to receive an
order from Necronomicon Press. Is it the normal 4-6 weeks, or do they have a
better response time?

Thanks,
-- 
Mark Kinney [KINNEMA@WKUVX1.(BITNET)(WKU.EDU)] | Don't just eat a hamburger,
PhoneNet: (502)745-4246	  (Bowling Green, KY)  | eat the HELL out of it!
This has been a test. If this had been an actual emergency, you'd be dead.
Quote of the Week: "Quaker-pop Rice Sparkies and Quaker-pop Wheat Sparkies,
	those delicious, nutritious breakfast cereals shot from guns!"
				-- Negativland, "Guns"
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Eric "JUICE" Fritzius)
Subject: Re: Stephen King interview this am
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:41:37 GMT

mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer) writes:

>R. Bretschneider writes:
>>If you're not familiar with the workings of a "kill file" and what
>>it can do for you, I'd suggest you learn.  I'd be happy to help if
>>you need help.  In the meantime, I'll be ignoring your request.
> 

>Okay I forgot about the kill function (I'm new here and might need a
>little help) but it still doesn't excuse the single-mindedness of all
>these King freaks who post here. I'd think even King fans would be bored
>of all this and start writing about the ninety billion other writers,
>directors, artists, etc. whose work falls under the category of horror.
>But then again with shit like the excerpt from the post below, it's
>obvious that some people can't think beyond the "fan club" level of
>interest in a subject or individual. Oh well. 


You're tired of folks talking about Steven King?
We'll I'm tired of folks who WHINE because 
other people talk about Steven King.  The kill file 
suggestion was valid but that's beside the point.
I'm no big defender of Steven King.  I've liked 
some of the things he's written and I've also
not liked some of the things he's written.  
But what I'd like to tell you and all the other 
people who post messages suggesting that people
discuss other horror writers is this.

If you want to talk about other writers then FINE.
I will join you in your discussions and they will
hopefully be good ones.  However, I don't see
a whole lot of you posting messages about other
horror writers.  I do see a lot of you
posting messages whining about people who
post messages about King and suggesting that
they talk about something else.  If you want
to talk about something else then fine.  We're not
stopping you.  Go right ahead and talk about
something else.  Take your own advice.
The last time I looked this newsgroup was
called alt.horror and I do believe that 
Steven King has fallen into that category for the
better part of the last twenty years.  Sure there
are other horror writers who've been around 
for a lot longer.  Go ahead.  Talk about them.
I'm listening.  I'm not even going to tell
you people not to post messages whining about
King because I know it will do no good.  I suppose
you have as much write to whine about King as
I have to whine about you.  I'm just tired of
folks wanting to discuss other topics who don't 
appear to be willing to start such discussions.

I relinquish my soap box.
You may return to your regularly scheduled program.

JSA
 
--
************************************************************
|ERIC W. FRITZIUS (aka JUICE S. AARON) ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu |
************************************************************

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: Nightmare Cafe
Keywords: Wes, Wes, Wes ... what's going on here?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.183848.2190@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M Powell) writes:
>This is just a little review/commentary on Friday, April 3rd's
>episode of Wes Craven's show "Nightmare Cafe" (10 p.m., NBC)
>
>*SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT*
>
>This episode was so silly, so downright campy (on purpose, it seems) that
>I'm wondering if this is supposed to be a serious show or not.  Last week's
>episode (about Frank's childhood friend and that friend's dying son) was
>original, serious, and pretty good, even if it wasn't overtly horrific.
>But this time we just get camp (Three aliens named "Earth, Wind and Fire,"
>flying saucers, floating cows, redneck country sherriffs, etc.).

Actually I kind of like the mix of seriousness and silliness.
The previous episode you mention was a very good serious 
story. This episode was intentionally silly, and I enjoyed it
for what it was. My advice: don't expect anything when you 
watch it, just kinda go with the flow.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
From: hinklere@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kolchak)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: King's NEEDFUL THINGS
Keywords: King
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44487
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University

Ok.  This may not be the right place for this, but here goes just the same.
(Prepares to be flamed)

The topic of NEEDFUL THINGS as a film has already been mentioned, and I'm
curious to know:  Who would you cast as Leland Gaunt?

Not my intention to mindlessly waste bandwidth, mind you.  As a novelist
and a screenwriter, I'm genuinely curious.

Rob Hinkle

PS:  My choice, by the way, would be James Mason.  A little old, I know, but
he'd be great.  (Picture it:  James Mason uttering the line, "Fee-late me!
You heard me!  Gobble my crank!"  I can actually see it...)

RH
From: cgrazian@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (GRAZIANO)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Jacob's Ladders questions
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:06:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: sbcs.1992Apr11.200612.25065
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Originator: cgrazian@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu


(*** SPOILERS! ***)

I know that Gabe represent Gabriel, who guards the gates of Heaven and is
appropriate as the one who eventually leads Jacob there at the end of the
film.

Jezebel, if I remember correctly, is the name of some kind of temptress,
perhaps fitting for someone who made be part an illusion designed to keep
Jacob from denying his death.

What about the other names, in particular Jacob's?  I'm unfamiliar with
what his name implies.  Are there alternate interpretations for the names
I've mentioned?  What was the chiropractor's name?

BTW, when answering the above, assume that the biblical interpretation is
relevant.

ALSO, in the scene where Jacob is carried through the hospital basement, I
could swear that we see Danny Aiello's chiropractor character through one
of the glazed windows.  The shot last only 2 or 3 seconds.  Did anyone else
see this?  I would certainly support the idea of his being a protector and
helper of Jacob (as if it weren't obvious enough).
-- 
Christopher Graziano, Stony Brook, NY           /-------\ <===+
cgrazian@ic.sunysb.edu (129.49.12.74)           | O   O |     |
Bitnet: CGRAZIAN@SBCCVM                         | \___/ |  The Elder
                                                \_______/    Sign
From: ap72@linus.umd.edu (CMSC 330)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: THE final Friday 13th movie
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:53:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr12.134231.2921@vax.muskingum.edu> ed_medeiros@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>Has anyone else heard about the final Friday the 13th movie coming out
>(supposively) Friday November 13, 1992.  All I have read in Fango is that it
>will be the final movie of the series, Jason is back, it will be more on
>Jason's origin, Jason is back, hardly any teenagers around, and if I didn't
>mention it, Jason is back.  
>
Cool! Since he was last in the sewer, the new one should be:

  Friday the 13th part IX:Jason meets the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

                                                               Hal :^>

>
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>ed
From: v079kku8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Yes, it's Bond, James Bond.)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The Flagg thread ......
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Once and for all, lets make a compilation of all the books, novels,
novellas, or short stories that have a Flagg-type character:

		1) The Stand
		2) The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger
		3) The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands
		4) Eyes of the Dragon

				Anymore?
					Navin
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: FlatlinersDEREGISTER
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:30:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <14932@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> So intellectual == pretentious eh? Hmm... I'll have to think about that one.
>Frankly, I enjoy mindless fluff as much as the next guy/gal but to rule out
>a movie because it might, just might have an ounce of intellectual content
>is not a philosophy I would sign onto...

	Nope, that's not what he said. Intellectual content WITH entertainment
is cool. Without entertainment, it's pretentious. It's akin to Moby Dick;
boring as hell, no matter WHAT the content is.
	Shakespeare, as an example, understood the need to mix theme and
entertainment.
	JLadder had no entertainment as such, unless your idea of entertainment
WAS to puzzle over the movie.

> Hmm... yes - I know I would never want to see a movie that someone called 
>"seawasp" panned..... particularly if it might cause me to think....

	You STILL don't get it, do you? It depends on WHY you go to movies.

	YOU obviously go for some kind of intellectual challenge; as a grad
student and a writer, I get PLENTY of intellectual challenges in other areas.
So when I go to a movie, I want to be entertained. I don't want to HAVE to
think too hard. If I happen to FEEL like thinking, it's nice if the movie
ALSO affords me that opportunity, but not if it does so at the expense of 
being entertaining.

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;

	By the way: Sea Wasp: the common name of the cnidarian _Chironex
Fleckeri_, the most venomous animal on earth; a single sting can kill in
30 seconds.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ac34@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Polanski
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:30:38 GMT

In article <633@grivel.une.oz.au>, azukowsk@neumann.une.oz.au (Anna Zukowski) writes:
> 
> The list of polanski's movies I remember (not in any order and possibly
> not complete):
> Repulsion (early, B&W, first or one of the first movie roles for
>           Catherine Deneuve, good horror movie)
> Cul de Sac (black humour - crime)
> Rosemary's baby
> Macbeth
> Chinatown
> Fearless vampire hunters
> The Tenant (horror, with Isabella Adjani and himself)
> Frantic
> Pirates
> Tess


And though I have't seen it "Knife in the Water"
Greg Langholtz

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th, The Series - TV Program Question
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:29:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <3547@rosie.NeXT.COM> bsteinm@grumpy.next.com (Bill Steinmetz) writes:
>Where did you get the 1987 date?  You say that it appeared the same time
>as "Star Trek:  The Next Generation".  However,  I remember watching
>"Friday the 13th:  The Series" before that.  I started watching the Series
>during my first year at college (the 1985 - 1986 school year).  I asked
>some of my friends and they agree that I talked about the show during that
>year.


No, you are mistaken.  The two shows premeired at the same time.  I 
*know* this because I used to watch them off of their original satellite
uplink: 13th was on an hour before ST:TNG.