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From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Subject: Request for information: France at X-mas/New Years
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:20:57 GMT


My wife and myself are thinking of going to France over the Christmas
- New Years Holiday.  (We both have the time off work, fares to Europe
are quite cheap right now, and we know a few people in France).

I have talked to a travel agent, and he has found a cheap fare,
arriving in Paris on Christmas Day, and leaving Nice on New Years Day.
I thought we could fly into Paris, take the train around France, and
visit some people in Niort, and Pau, then take the train over to Nice,
spend New Years eve on the Riviera, and Fly out of Nice.

I have some questions, that maybe some net people can answer:

What is the weather like in France at this time of year, is the
Riviera fairly warm at New Years?

How expensive are hotels in the different cities, and how do I know if
a hotel is good?

Cites:  Paris, Niort, Pau, and Nice

How expensive is the train, would it be better to get a rail pass, or
pay the one way fares between cities?

Please Email me, as I don't always read this news group.

Thanks in advance
roland
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Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.british
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: London Airports Guide?
Followup-To: poster
Supersedes: <1992Sep3.192821.5828@sq.sq.com>
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:21:10 GMT

[Apologies if you just saw this; the first version has been cancelled.]

I posted this a couple of weeks ago, but got no responses whatever.
However, it was tucked into an article under a different subject line,
which is always a bad idea, and I've changed the newsgroups this time.
One more try:

  A year or two ago Bevis King prepared a London Airports Guide, which
  answered a large number of questions like these.  Since I haven't seen
  it reposted for quite a while, I presume Bevis is no longer on the net.
  The guide would certainly be worth posting again even if some of the
  numbers are out of date.  If someone has a copy of it saved, would they
  please let me know by email?  Tell me the date of your copy, so we can
  use the most recent one if more than one turns up.

Followups are directed to email.
-- 
Mark Brader                 this                                take
SoftQuad Inc.           "If      is          shall       really      to
Toronto                             flying I       never                it."
utzoo!sq!msb
msb@sq.com                      -- Piglet ("Winnie-the-Pooh", A. A. Milne)

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From: kenpach@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Ken PACHMAYR)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:42:07 GMT
Subject: Re: info on penang
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.travel


The best thing to do in Penang is to eat--eat all you want, savor the local
food -- it is cheap and good. There are so many places, but you need to try
the food in the hawker centers located in the open. The beaches are clean and
beautiful. There are direct flights from Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. The cost
to fun ratio is low. You can rent vehicles for around $M99.00 (Conversion rate
is around 2.50 to 1 US dollar). If you rent a car, drive carefully. Roads are
narrow, especially along the beach area and many locals drive with blinders
on. It is defensive driving at its best.  Also, there are a large number of
motorcyles weaving in and out of traffic like so many mad hornets. One thing
to do is take the 
cable car up Penang hill. Sometimes the line for this is quite long. It takes
two cars. One goes half way up the hill, you get out and get in another to
take you the rest of the way up. It is a great view of the island from the
top. There are some small eating places and shops that cater to tourist at the
top.  Another place to visit is the snake temple.  I missed this for personal
resasons. Penang has enjoyed tremendous growth in the past few
years--somewhere in the region of 10 to 12 percent. Condo are going up all
over the island. They can be purchased by foreigners. Malaysia normally gives a 3 month
visa upon entry. I don't think you can find a better or more beautiful
vacation spot -- unless its the east coat of Northern Malaysia -- for your
travel dollar. If I could, I think I would live there instead of Singapore.
Have fun, and if you have time -- try trekking through the forest.

Ken Pachmayr
Hewlett-Packard Singapore
:wq

Xref: sparky rec.travel:12607 soc.culture.usa:6986
From: bc2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:46:06 GMT
	<kyfn#=r.ekman@netcom.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <kyfn#=r.ekman@netcom.com> Crossly the Bear writes:
>In article <13820@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil
Jonell) writes:
>>
>>  When I travelled in the US, we had to put a Swedish flag on our car to 
>>avoid being mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive German tourists".

>I can't imagine it doing much good, since I suspect that most Americans
>wouldn't recognize the Swedish flag when they see it.
-- 
>Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
>Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California

I was listening to some students in the computer room here at CMU
discussing where a fellow classmate came from. One guy kept insisting
that "Sven" was a German name.... 8^) heh, heh.

These guys just kill me......8^)

--ChanBillR600F2
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Three days and nothing to do...  (NYC or DC areas)
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:30:24 GMT

We are looking for something to do over Labor Day weekend (yes, I know
it's next week) that would not be very costly and can be done via a
short drive from NYC or Washington, DC.  Anyone have suggestions?
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: DEANRE@bscf.uga.edu (ROBIN DEAN)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: info on Stowe, Vermont area
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:25:28 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, USA
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


     In ten days my wife and I are heading to Montreal for a 
business trip and thought we would head down to Vermont for three
days.  We will be staying in Stowe and were interested in things
to see and do.  We are both hikers and like to go on nature trails
so if anyone knows of good ones nearby please let me know.  Any
information would be appeciated.  Thanks for your time.

                      Thanks,
                      Deanre@bscf.uga.edu


                      Rob Dean
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:41:13 GMT

gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>If Americans are resented abroad, the resenters certainly seem to
>keep it to themselves.  As a tourist, I've been reasonably well
>treated everywhere I've been, and I haven't observed any obvious
>anti-Americanism.  Maybe people store it up for Usenet.

   I second this.  I've been in some dozen countries, and I can't
remember a single occasion on which I've ever encountered
anti-Americanism from the locals.  I mean anti-Americanism directed
against me personally.  The American government, on the other hand,
seems fairly universally detested around the world, but most people in
countries where I've traveled seem to realize that that's not my fault.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.skiing
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Taos accomodations
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:08:47 GMT

I am planning on spending Dec. 19-24 in Taos to ski.  Could anyone
comment on The Quail Ridge Inn, where I am thinking of staying?  It is
"sports oriented", which appeals to me, but a few miles out of town.
I'll be alone, and my budget is around 100$ a night; QRI wants 115$
for their "hotel-type" rooms without kitchen or patio/balcony.

Would I be better off in town for "activities"?  I know there are
condos and rooms at the Ski Valley, but they look pretty expensive.

Thank you.

--Rob
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Xref: sparky rec.travel:12716 soc.culture.usa:7033
From: mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Summary: Notes from an occasional touree :-)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:19:15 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory


I find it curious that practically nobody posting on this thread, or on the
zillions of other times it has come up in rec.travel, has discussed the subject
from the standpoint of one who actively deals with the tourist -- the provider
of services or even the object of the tourists' interest.

Santa Fe is one of the United States' most touristed places, and you can't live
here or nearby without running into lots of tourists and their attitudes.  As 
it happens, my main recreational interests involve lots of tourist contact (I 
am scheduled to be a Ghostly Presence at a certain tourist Happening coming up
soon -- will explain if pressed), and I have formed a set of opinions about
tourist behavior that are, shall we say, somewhat different than those being
bandied about in this thread.  In a nutshell, *NO* tourist seems fully capable
of leaving his/her practices and prejudices at home.  They stick to the tourist
like the outer layer of skin, occasionally to be sluffed off but always renewed
from within.  Friction between tourist and environment happens when these
prejudices interact non-constructively with some part of the environment, and 
it can happen any time, anywhere, if the circumstances are just right.

Example: In my experience, Australians abroad in the American Southwest have
been among the most benign of tourists, probably in large part because of the
similarities between here and home.  That didn't stop one Australian I got to
know -- a thoroughly enjoyable fellow during the other 99% of my interactions
with him -- from making a small-scale ass of himself by derogatory comments 
about the local eating/drinking habits in a restaurant he'd been taken to.
What pulled his chain was the American preference for drinking iced tea with
spicy ("Mexican") food, in conflict with his own conviction that tea *must* be
consumed hot.  Someone observing this fellow at the precise moment of
chain-pulling, and his response to same, would have reached all the usual
conclusions about the "ugly" tourist abroad -- even though his overall behavior
was anything but ugly-tourist in nature.  I have no idea why the notion of iced
tea pulled his chain so strongly ... but it did.

It might be useful for tourists-to-be to try to become aware of the potential
chain-pullers in the environments they will be touring, and to try to become
"desensitized" to them in advance.  Are any other tourees interested in helping
compile such a list?

-- 
Bill Johnson				| "This is a bit complicated, so let
Los Alamos National Laboratory		| me explain it backwards."  (first
Los Alamos, New Mexico USA		| line of a memo from a fellow Los
!cmcl2!lanl!mwj (mwj@lanl.gov)		| Alamos physicist who will go unnamed)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: National Trust:  Stately homes and castles in the U.K.
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

Both the National Trust and English Heritage were recommended here.  I
should point out that both have elitist attitudes that quite a few people
may find objectionable.  Recent expressions of this have included the NT
banning all photography on its premises ("we aren't in the business of
helping people fill their albums" was the way they expressed it, I think)
and English Heritage getting a private army of paramilitary riot police to
smash up a gathering of pagan hippies at Stonehenge (vandalized vehicles,
pregnant women beaten senseless, children left wandering the fields, etc).

One park in England has been used by the local people for decades for
playing football, walking dogs, and as a children's playground; EH wants to
stop all this and restore it to the functionless formal garden it was some
time in the early 18th century for the tourists (and not provide any
compensating facilities).

That sort of "conservation" is something that I'm not going to contribute
to, thanks.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: stevea@microsoft.com (Steve Albertson)
Subject: Winter Baseball in Venezuela
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:00:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I'm planning a trip to Venezuela in mid-January with the express
purpose of attending as many Winter League baseball games as I can
in a 2-3 week period (of course, I'll also be travelling, experiencing
the culture, etc.).  Has anyone out there attended any baseball games
in Venezuela before during the winter?  If so, I would appreciate
hearing any anectdotal information you may have on this subject.

Thanks,
stevea@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: enns@waterloo.hp.com (Roger Enns)
Subject: HELP!! Charleston ideas?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:13:18 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I posted here a couple of weeks back about a place to stay while
on honeymoon in Charleston.  The only response I received was a
suggestion for the King's Courtyard Inn.  It sounded like the
ideal place, but the rates had gone up to $140 a night!!  This is
too much for my budget.

Basically, I am looking for a decent inn in the heart of
Chareston.  I am hoping to get some personal references out
there, because I am a little leary of just picking a place out of
a guide book or something.  My budget limits me to around $75 per
night, but I could stretch it slightly if the place is something
special.

Any suggestion of good places, or places to avoid would help me
greatly in selecting our honeymoon location.  (Since I am
planning to make this my first and last honeymoon, I would like
to do it right!)

Thanks in advance,
Roger Enns (enns@waterloo.hp.com) Panacom Automation Division, HP
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Subject: Re: I want to go to Europe
Reply-To: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161206.26338@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:

(Lots of general questions deleted here)

>In other words, "please spend lots of time trying to figure out what
>would be fun for me to do, and don't post it so other people could
>benefit from it, too, because I can't be bothered to read this group."
>
>Here's "all the info I can give":
>
>BUY A GUIDEBOOK.  Better yet, two or three.  The "Let's Go" series of
>budget travel books would probably be perfect for what you want, and
>although I have never used them, they're highly regarded by the
>backpack set.  They're available at most bookstores; I know Crown Books
>carries them.  Read them, and don't come back until you have specific
>requests.

CALL A TRAVEL AGENT.  If you want to know general questions like
"what's the summer temperature range in Timbuktu", they have the
answers!  Also how much air fares are (sorta) (well, at least
ballpark figures), major attractions, festivals, tours, etc.

USE THE NET *ONLY* FOR SPECIALIZED INFORMATION.  Lots of us have
personal travel experience that we'd be *delighted* to share, but
do your homework and ask about specifics.  For instance, I'm really
tired of seeing "Know any cheap hotels in London?"  Jeez, there are
books that specialize in cheap hotels in London!  Read them, pick out
a few, and ask about those!  The information you get back will be
much more useful, and you won't come off looking nearly as clueless.

Funny how all this came up just about the time that I was getting
REALLY sick of seeing all those general questions about travel!  Glad
I'm not the only one who feels that way.
-- 
Pat Martin Steward                          patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Parking in/near Venice
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:48:13 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <182qa6INN4iv@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               ) writes:
>I have a question about driving to Venice. Is it better to drive all the way
>to the Roma Pazza in Venice or drive to Padova and take the train to Venice?
>How much is the parking per day in the two places? How much does the train 
>cost and how often does it run?          
>Thanks, S.K.

My recollection from 1985 is that we parked in Mestre, which is much
closer to Venice than Padova and has much cheaper parking than Piazza
Roma.  

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Info on Newfoundland
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:43:04 GMT

In article <AMT.92Aug31141337@dunvegan.linus.mitre.org> amt@linus.mitre.org (Anne Tallant) writes:
>
>
>My husband and I will be vacationing in Newfoundland during the first
>two weeks of October.  
>.....
>It would be helpful to hear from others who have visited this area
>about what they found to be worthwhile to explore.
>

I spent a week in Newfoundland a few years ago and thought it was a great
place.  You mention Gros Morne, which is a very nice place.  If you have
time, I'd suggest driving up the Great Northern Peninsula to L'Anse aux 
Meadows, where the original Viking settlement was located, and also spend
a few days at the other side of the island, in St. John's.  St. John's is
a very nice small city that seems to me how San Francisco must have looked
in the 1930's.  It's mostly wooden two- or three-story walkups on the side
of a hill overlooking a harbor.  It has a real feeling of being the end of the
road, which it is - it's about as far east as you can get in North America.
St. John's is also a very respectable party town - there are numerous bars
on George St. and elsewhere in town.  You should search out places offering
Newfie music - acoustic, Irish-influenced folk songs.

Check out the unusual food of the island:  cod cheeks and tongues, battered
and fried and served with chips are a distinctive regional dish.  Fisherman's
brewis, salt cod with hardtack and scrunchions (fried pork rinds) is another
traditional food.  If you're lucky, you may find seal flipper pie.  I only
found it in one place, but wasn't suffiently hungry that evening, so I passed
on it, but unfortunately we never returned there.  You can also find game
sausages - at an unassuming motel restaurant in Gander the special one day was
moose sausage - very good.  There are also some very nice cafes and continental
restaurants in St. John's.

One thing I didn't do that I wish I had was to take the ferry to the 'outports'
on the southern coast.  These villages are unreachable by road from the rest
of the island, and are located in some very rugged areas.  There are other
outports on the island that are reachable by car (one or two of them are
actually within St. John's), but I would think that the more unaccessible ones 
would be more distinctive.

Things to buy: heavy wool sweaters.
Things to bring: insect repellent - during certain parts of the year (don't
   know if October is one of them), there are swarms of biting black flies
   in the Gros Morne area.

Enjoy Newfoundland.  The scenery is quite nice, and the culture is unlike
anything else in North America.

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:10:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Travel by Aeroflot
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

The San Jose Mercury-News on Sunday had a fairly long article
on traveling with Aeroflot.  It was not a flattering article.
Apparently the condition of the airplanes mirrors the condition
of the economy...
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: NEW YORK SKYLINE
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep3.164536.4292@meaddata.com>, joyce@meaddata.com writes...
>Could somebody please tell me where I can get a good view of 
>the New York City skyline? I want to get some pictures either
>early in the morning or at sundown. Thanks!


Although I usually don't recommend that anyone ever go into New Jersey,
I must admit that a spectacular view of my Motherland's skyline can be seen
from the Jersey side of the Hudson.

Living without boundaries,
The Vision
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: howeird@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com
Subject: Re: What to see in Seatle and in Vancouver
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:10:23 GMT
Organization: HP Research Grants Program

According to sanh@ios.Convergent.COM (Son Anh):
>    I am going to drive from San jose to Seatle on the coming Labor Day and
>    to stay for one week in Seatle and to go to see the interesting
>    spots in Seatle and in Vancouver.  I need the following information:
>    - Approximately How long does it take to drive directly from San Jose to
>      Seatle ?
First of all, Seattle has two t's...

It takes about 20 hours to drive straight through at the legal speed
limit. However, since you can drive about 5 mph faster and not get pulled
over for speeding, make it 18 hours. 
>
>    - Is there any interesting place I should stop to see or to stay (like
>      Porland) on the way from SJ to Seatle? so what route I should take.
Portland, also with a 't'...


If you really want a scenic trip, and can spend an extra 5 hours driving,
go up highway 1 (the coast highway), and cut across to Seattle from
Aberdeen. If you plan to do the freeway route, then you'll want to take 680
from San Jose out to 580, then the Tracy cutoff to I-5. I-5 goes straight
to Seattle, through Ashland, Portland and Olympia. You will pass very close
to Mt. St. Helens (the volcano). You might want to take a side trip (about
an hour out of your way) to see Mt. Rainier National Park, too.
>
>    - Where should I go to see in Seatle?
Aside from the usual tourist places, go to Westlake Mall, and also the
Hiram Chittenden Locks.

>
>    - Does it take 2.5 hours from Seatle to Vancouver by car?
Or more, because the border crossing can delay you for as much as an hour,
if they decide to search your car.

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