From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Native Americans
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:21:00 GMT
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Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

CRP>Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
CRP>From: ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca (Charles Ritz P215)
CRP>Subject: Native Americans
CRP>Message-ID: <1992Aug18.150324.22042@brtph560.bnr.ca>
CRP>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:03:24 GMT

CRP>   Comparing the Nazi atrocities to the United States policies
CRP>towards Native Americans is specious at best for many reasons.

And useless.

CRP>1) There was never any 'plan' to exterminate the Indians.
CRP>   In fact, there are nearly 1 million Native Americans
CRP>   currently living, about as great a number as when white
CRP>   people arrived.  Almost every Indian nation that existed
CRP>   in 1600 still exists today, albeit on reservations.  The
CRP>   great majority of Indians that died died as a result of
CRP>   disease, battle deaths and alocholism, not from planned
CRP>   extermination.  The Nazis specifically planned for the
CRP>   extermination of world Jewry.  There would be no 'reservations'
CRP>   for Jews.

CRP>2) Unlike the Jews, most Indians were utterly hostile to
CRP>   assimilation by the dominant (white) economic and social
CRP>   organization.

You also would, if you were forced, let's say, to live in an African
tribe culture (You are white, I can tell that. Not, that I hate whites,
it's just another skin colour, but here in America, they are so UNAWARE
of social issues.)

CRP>   Jews never declared 'war' on the 'Aryans'

They were IN the system and benefitting from it.

CRP>   but Indians often declared war on the whites, and proceeded CRP>
CRP>to wage them with great ferocity, often killing all of CRP>   the
CRP>whites, men, women and children, that they could get CRP>   their
CRP>hands on.  Indian massacres were a fact of life CRP>   in the old
CRP>west. When has their ever been a Jewish massacre? CRP>   The only
CRP>'evil' the Americans committed in the Indian CRP>   wars was to win.

And destroying their culture.

CRP>3) Let's face the facts, the Indians were total barbarians
CRP>   living in the stone age.

Not. What about the moral values? They called "Lier" a deadly insult.
The white man hat the "split tongue"

CRP>  Every Indian nation ever found
CRP>   practiced torture, slavery and, of course, wars of extermi-
CRP>   nation.

Every white nation ever found... and so on.

CRP>  They lived constantly on the edge of starvation.

As some whites in the western culture and right now in this American
nation.

CRP>   There was no law courts, no democratic elections, no
CRP>   protections against minorities.
                   ^^^^^^^ there he is, the Freudian Fault :-)
You certainly meant "for minorities" (at least I hope so).
Please tell me, where the protection for minorities in America is. For
Blacks, for alternative lifestyles, the list goes on.

CRP>  Child mortality was almost
CRP>   certainly greater than 50 %.

Where did you get that figure?


CRP>  Maternal mortality was high
CRP>   as well, though of course Indian women were considered
CRP>   useless if they could bear children.  They were often killed
CRP>   when (and more importantly, if) they reached menopause.

What is your source?

CRP>   Of course, all of the crippled were killed as well.  Needless
CRP>   to say, there were no pensions for the aged.  If they were
CRP>   too weak, they died as too.  In short, the Indians were
CRP>   not 'noble savages' and pre-Columbian America was not a
CRP>   garden of eden.

Again, where is your source?

CRP>Charles Ritz   The opinions above do not necessarily represent the
CRP>BNR, Inc       views of my employer, but they should.

no.

Again, I do NOT want defend atrocities, neither German's NOR from other
people. I'm simply sick of the complacent, ignorant attitude of so many
Americans.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Without fools ther would be no wisdom