HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Fitter ki Dictionary
Keywords: fitter
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:18:15 GMT

mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:

>assalam alaikum

>	tumhi reikhtay kay ustad nahi ho mirza
>	kehtay hain aaglay zamanay mein koi amer bhi tha

>open to interpretations and additions

>Fit - 1)singular of feet; 2)    when a mashriqi father sees his daughter
>				with a boyfriend he goes into a Fit 

>FitNess - female of LochNess monster

>Fitter - title recieved after passing 5th level from Fitters Academy

>FitterKata - practice or repetition of words from this dictionary

>FitaeMoun - term used by customs officers at karachi airport to greet
>	    lightly loaded passengers

>FitBal - A healthy looking hair

>Fitting - Bad word (censored)

>CurriculumFitae - bad resume

>FitGerald - an extension to Gerald Ford's name after his Bypass operation

>FitNa - 1) used in punjabi as follows: are you 'Fit'? answer 'Na'
> or Nah 2) used in english as: are you 'Fit'? answer 'Nah'

>FitFat - term used for politicians who are also feudal lords

>FitakDance - dance performed by people in a Fit

>FitalSigns - invented for people who cannot pronounce 'V'

>GoliFit - no meaning at all (research topic)

>MisFit - no meaning yet (ongoing research topic)

>more later open to additions (amer qureshi if you are reading please
>lighten or enlighten us further)

>Murad Mirza.

assalam alaikum

nu additions to dictionary
ongoing research has has resulted in following:

MisFit - corruption of Miss Phyt, used for OliviaNjohn and JaneFonda in
	 the USA, and for Mussarat Shaheen in Pakistan; in pakistan
	 filmi circles it has sometimes been used for Barbara Sharif
	 in this case see 'Fit - (1) above'

TightFit - used for describing one elephant seated in front driver's
	   side of a Volkswagon Beetle.

HuggingFit - when four elephants are seated logically ( two in front
	     and two in the rear) in the Beetle.

more later may be.

Murad Mirza.
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Can science come back to Islam [Part 2]
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:58:55 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr9.222447.8312@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:

> Avicenna was a spaniard ...


Ali al-Husayn ibn-Abd'Allah ibn-Sina (980-1037 A.D.) was not a Spaniard.
He had nothing to do with Spain.  He was born to an Ismaili family of Persia.
Perhaps you are confusing him with someone else.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Constitutional Amendment
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.165011.43664@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) writes...
>In article <1992Apr8.071023.5172@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>,
>shahid@vast.unsw.edu.au (Shahid Masud (Supr. Rigby)) writes:

>> Dear Readers,
>> Assalamoalaikum,
[deleted]
>> Wassalam,
>> Shahid Masud
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>  QADIYANIS AND AHMADIS DECLARED NON-MUSLIMS BY THE PAKISTAN PARLIAMENT
>>
[deleted]
>Mr. Shahid Masud no one gives a damn to this damn constitutional
					============================
>ammendment. Its the worlds sickest thing people have ever seen. Did ever
		===================================================
>constitutions deside other peoples religions ?
> 
>not bloody constitutions!
> ===========================
>O.K.
> 
	No, Rana Sahib, it is not okay. I resent your language towards 
the constitution of Pakistan. You may have religious or personal difference 
with someone and may discuss it at any length. I don't agree with your 
approach of mocking at the constitution. I am not sure if you are aware 
of what importance a constitution has for a country - it is the very basis.

	I am hoping you have realized your attitude and will make sure you
don't intentionally of intentionally insult the constitution.

	Pakistan Zindabad

>Sincerely,
> 
> 
>        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (Never Argue with me!)     |    /\    |
___________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal				
"I can't remember anything...
  can't even tell if its true or dream... " 
			- Metallica
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: billa-unwaan..........title-less
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:25:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Adil Najam writes:
	
>	ADIL [....bool kay laab azad haiN tairay
>		  bool zubaaN aab tak tairee hai.......] NAJAM


Can you, or anyone else post the complete nazm. It would be nice to
read it again after a looooong time.

Thanks in advance.

Amar Mahboob
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hazrat-e Josh and Burqa
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:16:54 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
>Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'

>        Please remember that the issue is not limited to this few days
>mortal world, this goes to the day of the judgement.  Once Josh Malihabadi says
>(naoozbillah) :
>
>.              Sharab-o-utribo mashooq ke siwa
>              Rakkah hi kiya hai jahane kharab main
>              yarab khatian maaf zara ye mughe bata
>              kiya tu koi gunah na karta shabab main          josh
>
>  Further he says :
>
>              'Mila jo maoqa to rok doonga hisab ki din atab tera
>              'Paroonhga rahmat ka woh qadisa ke hans paraiga jalal tera

Wah! 
Thank-you for writing such  great Ish_Aars, here is another one 
from Quaid-e-Urdu,

 So Baar Jahan-num may jalaana Ya Rub
 Her Kaher ki sooli peh cher-Haana Ya Rab
 Ma-shooq Kehien aap hamaa-ray hein Bazurg
 Na-cheese ko yeh din na dikhaa-na Ya Rub

 Arshad
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: On the issue of Ahmadiyyat
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 14:14:05 GMT

>From: ahsan@todd.ecn.purdue.edu (Ahsan Ale-Rasool)
>Subject: FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD / Beliefs of some Qadiyani's
>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:21:39 GMT

>Mr Arshad Hussain writes:
 
>%  As far as Final Prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is concerned,
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>%  I believe this is my faith and it should be the faith of every muslim
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>%  and it was the belief of my Pir-o-Murshad Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
>The two underlined statements by you are commendable. (Although I totally
>disagree with you about your beliefs on Jesus (A.S).

Jesus is not a fundamental issue.

>I wanted to know if this belief (about the Finality of Muhammad's (S.A.W.S)
>Prophethood) is your own personal belief or is it the belief of a good 
>number of Qadiyani's (perhaps the Lahori ? sect). 

Its belief of my group.
Please read Muhammad Ali's English translation  and commentary
of Holy Quran. 
He was the FIRST muslim who translated Quran in English( 1920 I guess).
This is available in any big public library.

For more detailed discussion: 'Bayan-ul-Quran' Urdu translation 
and commentary by Muhammad Ali(3 vols).

Hazrat Maulana Muhammad Ali was head of my community from 1914--1951.

> As far as I understand, the main reason that the Qadiyani's were declared
>Non-Muslims was because of their belief in another prophet as you have
>seen on the net. 

The main reason was POLITICS, nothing but POLITICS.
If the main reason is as you describe, why G.O.P. has not 
released the National Assembly's proceedings on this
issue.  They will never do that.

>I think that you are closer to Islam than you are to the other Qadiyani's.
>(Except your belief in Jesus).

One is either muslim or not-muslim. 'Closer to Islam' means
Constitutionally not-muslim ( w.r.t 1973 cons.)???
From: aq0@engr12.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: joke....(be a darling, post one now)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:58:43 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas

aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi) writes:


>do maulvi kisi dawat me jaiten, 
>jab khana lagta hei, too dono khanay per dat jatin hein,
>wo dono itna khtay hein ke ek maulvi khatay khatay mer
>jata hei, doosra maulvi yeh dekh ker khana khata rehta he
>magar rona shroo ker dita hei, log us sey ronay ke waja
>pochtay hen to kehta hei kay "mujay peta mei be mer jaoon gaa".
>
>translation:
>
>two maulvis go to a party, and at the time of eating they
>just eat and eat, suddenly one them dies of eating, so,
>the other one on seeing this starts crying, but doesn't
>stop eating.When people asking him the reason of his crying he
>says, i know pretty soon i am going to die also..
>
>
>NB: if you know a better joke post it, i guess this one is OK,
>    might as well be a stinker...
>
>    its better than
>    those holy fights on the NET.....
>
>
>Amer [paying $1.21 to AT&T, for calling Pakistan, and hate it] Qureshi.
             ie $1.21/min
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: GALATI MERY
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:16:16 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York


Please  read lat line of my post regading Mr. Maudoodi's testimoney
 'No' which I meant, 

I am expecting some nice letters  regading my mistake.
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Dress and Modesty
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:54:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr12.180618.14825@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>	Mr. Azhar posted a very supportive article for which I thank him.

No thanks necessary, but, nevertheless the acknowledgement is appreciated.

>    I would like to clarify however that I am not accusing
>	Maulana Maudoodi of doctoring the Quran.

	   I regret misunderstanding Ms. Sohrawardy's intention.

>    Of the translations I have read, I had not seen
>	a more conservative translation than Mr. Maudoodi's.  I wanted
>	to point out that there existed other translation/interpretations
>	which were less conservative than his and more widely accepted.

	   Maududi's translation is certianly quite "conservative", even
though some more conservative translations are not as widely
recognized. Having said that, sometimes I wish we all would go a
little beyond judgemental statements, and appreciate the diversity of
Islamic experience objectively. There should be a place for all kinds
of religous scholars on one's bookshelf. If there isn't, often times
we find our preconceived notions getting the better of us. 

	   I say all this in response to Ms. Sohrawardy, not becuase I
think she is guilty of the above actions, but because she has the
necessary ingredients to rise beyond the limits of personal
experiences. 

>Khudahafiz
>Yasmin

	   Allah Hafiz

Salman [tries harder to practise what he preaches] Azhar

-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Interpreting and Understanding (was Re: Women and Burqa)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:49:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <ku95uvINN7b2@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.234135.19796@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>>In article <ku6geqINNt4h@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>
>>	There are many cases where the passages of the Quran were
>>	addressed directly to the Prophet or members of his household
>>	which were not applied to others.  For example, the Prophet
>>	was allowed to have nine wives while the limit on all other
>>	Muslim men is four.  

>The reply above, in fact supports my argument. The above rejoinder to
>my comment gives example of some verses which are ONLY intended for the people
>who were being addressed, while I pointed to some example of verses which
>were specifically addressed to certain people but were intended for
>all Muslims for all times. We therefore can say that there is some
>"more complex" criteria for determining which one is which. This
>in fact supports my contention that:

	   I gather that the verses in question appear to Chapter 33
(Al-Ahzaab = The Allies) verses 32-onwards. Verse 32 is addressed "O
wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of  the women;...".
Subsequently, verse 35 is addressed "Surely the men who submit and
the women who submit...". In light of the readdressing of a different
audience, Ms. Sohrawardy has a point that verses 32-34 are only
directed toward Prophet's wives. Nevertheless, a few scholar's tend to
apply what is known in fiqh (Islamic Law) "principles of
extension/measurement".

	   I re-emphasize that Chapter 24 (Al-nur = The Light) verses
30-31 are more relevant because...

        * They are undoubtedly addressed to believing men and
               believing women.

        * Most scholars conclude that they were Chapter 24 was
               revealed after Chapter 33.

	   It all boils down to the interpretation of verses 30-31 of
Chapter 24 (Al-nur = The Light). Here we shoudl look for seeking
guidance ourselves, and not force preconceived ideas down each others
throats. 

Salman [concise and pertinent] Azhar

PS: Due to extensive background of the subject accumulated on
soc.culture.pakistan, it is not possible to shift the discussion to
another newsgroups without building the background. I hope some of the
soc.religion.islam readers are reading this.

-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Subject: Re: Through QADIANIS away
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:37:11 GMT


Altaf,
Get a life babe.

I direct thee to my ``open letter'' still on the net.
Either prove your claim that Ahmadis are non-Muslims and their
beliefs are anti-Islam from Quran or Shut Up.  Isn't it strange
that every body comes up and calls us Ahmadis Non-Muslim and
Hazrat Ahmad an imposter but can't prove the claim. Well here is
a little secret for you---if you keep on following your maulvis
with blind folded eyes, this is bound to happen. And just to get
a real life falvour of the type of knowledge your maulvis posses
and distribute, read a (now classic) letter posted by Jafry a few
weeks ago.

loosen up!! Islam has already suffered *A LOT* at hands of people 
like yourself.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6717 soc.culture.indian:14796
From: rb64+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ritesh Agarwal Bansal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,cmu.misc.announce,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Urdu Group at Carnegie Mellon
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:29:33 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am posting this message for somebody else, please send email to
dchandra@cs.cmu.edu,
______________________________________________________________


Hi,

This is a feeler to see how many poeple would be interested in
meeting once a month (at least) for lunch at a Hindi/Urdu table.

We could meet at Morewood or off-campus for lunch and restrict
all discussions to Urdu.  I could speak the language fluently once,
but have not had a chance to speak the language in years.  It is
easy to lose a language (I lost German this way). 

Send me e-mail if you are interested.  Learners welcome.

- Navin chandra


Research Assistant,			Computer Consultant
Green Engineering Project		Academic Computing Services
Robotics Institute			Carnegie Mellon University.
Carnegie Mellon University

E-mail:  rb64@andrew.cmu.edu
	    rb64@cs.cmu.edu
	   rb64@isl1.ri.cmu.edu
_______________________________________________________________

"The spear in the others heart is the spear in your own,
			you are he"   
		------------------  Attributed to Surak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: SCARY THOUGHT
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:51:17 GMT

In article <45174@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.165234.1611@crc.ac.uk>, fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr13.113643.2376@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>> > In article <45006@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>> 
>> > >I just had a very scary thought.What would happen if all the people
>> > > on SCP were locked in a room without any exits.This is a very scary thought     indded any comments??.
>> > 
>> > An ingenious thought experiment indeed.
>> > 
>> > How big is this room, does it have any windows or a ceiling!
>> > Also imagine if there is no cold water or ice in this room! scarier...!
>> > 
>> 
>> Oh I get it!  It's one of those lateral thinking questions!   So now we ask you
>> questions to find out why all SCP correspondents were in the one room 
>> to start with....................
>> ....................................the mind boggles.
>
>      hehehe well i'll let your imagination think about it......
>     
>
>     As for the room well it is a big enough to accomadate all the die hard 
>scp correspondents.It does have a ceiling but no windows so that no one can 
>call for help from within a room.
>
>
>
>
>think about it....
>
>
>
>            ___  
>Lahori (LHL 111) Poond



Then you know what, first few minutes you won't hear even your own
shouts... but later there will be a pin drop silence and you could
even hear your heart beat if you are .....!!
From: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: An enquiry regarding EAGLE SQUAD
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: zaheer@daisy.cc.utexas.edu

>From hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 15 15:09:53 1992
>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:09:51 EDT
>From: hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad)


>If you're messing with Karachi
>You're messing with your life !.
>Cause I`m gonna cut you up with a big, big knife
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>You bet your freaking life !.
			- Eagle Squad

>Eagle Squad 





>Eagle Squad.
>Rutgers University - New Brunswick.
>Karachi is the place to be.         
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Just wondering who is this creature. Sounds to me like a BUTHCHER.[:-)]
 Perhaps this creature watched the Oscar award winner movie " Silence of
 the Lambs". This is reason this movie was rated R as childern were 
 expected to get violent after watching some very violent and scary scenes in
 the movie. However, I request to this CREATURE humbly that if this creature
 has nothing constructive to say please do not send any Flame-mails to me.
 

 Imrana[seeking God's protection from such creatures]Zaheer

 P.S. Wish the above referenced creature is the one and only of its kind 
      found in Karachi. Otherwise life would be miserable back in Karachi.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Factoid
Date: 6 Apr 1992 14:03:44 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr4.101025.11871@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed S. Memon) writes:
>
>
>It was 13 years ago today that ZAB was executed. 
>

It was the 52 years ago, that in the month of March, Pakistan
resolution was put forward by Maulvi FazlulHaq in Lahore.
Resolution that demanded Pakistan on the basis of Muslims having
separate identity. We are still expecting the realization
of the dream.
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: The Qadiani/non-Qadiani war. Ceasefire ? Please.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:16:13 GMT

fmbutt@mrbt.sw.stratus.com (Farooq Butt) writes:



>Folks: 

>I restrained myself as much as I could ;-) and I know this is 
>obvious but it seems like the net.warriors are just not 
>getting the point...

>1. If you are a Qadiani net.warrior, please stop posting
>"clarifications" about your beliefs.  It is my opinion that the people
>you are trying to reach have nothing but utter contempt for your views
>and use your long tracts as further grist for their
>flame-article-generator programs.  Besides, I really think that you
>folks have covered as much as is humanly possible.  Believe me.  Could
>you possibly change the subject ?  The people who respect your views
>already do and beating them over the head serves no purpose.


>2. If you are a non-Qadiani net.warrior , please bear in mind your are
>talking to folks whose deeply held convictions differ significantly
>from your own.  Please accept that, hard as it is to swallow (after
>all, everyone _knows_ you are always right, eh?  :-).  These chaps are
>not going to budge ONE IOTA from calling themselves muslims etc. etc.
>Your arguments are generating 100% heat and 0% light at this point.
>You have said everything possible on the subject.  They are Qadianis
>today, their parents were Qadianis and given the abuse you hurl at
>them, it is a safe bet that they will never even consider changing
>their faith to one closer to yours.  Agree to disagree and leave it at
>that.  Or are you getting serious jollies from flaming them ? 






>Of course, I may be dead wrong and all your net.stalkers out there
>could be enjoying the heck out of all this khoon-kharaba, in which
>case please accept my apologies.


   We are nice; apologies accepted.

**Nabeel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan