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From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Estes Bail-out
Organization: U of M Hospitals
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:49:26 GMT

In article <6176@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.131720.25637@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sxr@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(scott.l.russell) writes:
>> Has anyone purchased/flown this rocket?  My son wants to get this one
>> so he can use it with his "GI-JOE" men. Will those figures fit? I assume
that
>> all it does is push the men out with the wadding and they float down
>> with their own parachute?
>
>I've seen it flown, twice.  It flies OK, and it's made to fit GI Joe
>action figures.  At the nationals, Mary Roberts (Estes) had one painted
>up to resemble Bill Stine (Quest) and flew him.
>-- 
>
Did she give Bill a parachute?  What color was it?
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Insuring your events
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:19:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <6171@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> My advice is for you to contact Sport Flyers' Association.  They WILL
> cover your events.  AMA is no longer the only game in town, and if
> their service is anal-retentive, go elsewhere.  Contact Doug Pratt
> (76703.3041@compuserve.com) for more information.

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To: <cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com>
Subject: Insuring your events - rec.models.rocket

Sport Flyers has a toll free number, 800/745-3597. It's answered by the
people who run the place, not a secretary or assistant. Call any time
(business hours are best) and we'll help you any way we can.

Doug Pratt
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: lawndart.au
Keywords: Thooook!
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:03:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Sounded OK on mine... now everybody's coming in my door to see what the hell
is going on in here.

By the way, the thing to do is to post this stuff in one of the sounds
groups and put a pointer in here to it.  Some administrators see a 4,000
line message come in on a "small" group, freak out, and stop carrying it.
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Tracking powder
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:33:35 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.174953.24501@axis.dsg.ti.com>, barrett@add.itg.ti.com writes:
>   Has anyone figured out a way to put tracking powder (i.e.  carpenters
> chalk) in a rocket and not get it all over everything?  I currently use
> the procedure of just dumping 1/2 cup or so in the body tube so that it
> comes out when the chute ejects.  It stains the chute, and the outside
> of the rocket on occasion.  It is impossible to remove.

Well, yes and no.  First off, if you use tempera paint, it's easier to
remove than chalk.  But I have even been successful in removing chalk by
the application of common car wax.  (Not from the parachute, though!)
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Astrocam 110 Film
Keywords: 400 speed 110 film still being produced?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:35:42 GMT

In article <9SEP199214030585@almach.caltech.edu> shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes:

>My Mission: to launch my Crown Graphic 4" x 5" sheet film camera to 2000 ft.
>Actually, with all this talk, I'm seriously thinking about launching a
>small 35mm camera on a rocket.  With a nice lens, decent exposure, and
>a short enough shutter speed to eliminate blurring, I'm sure I could make some
>remarkable shots!  I wonder if I was clever enough, if I could use
>some mercury switches to ensure the camera was pointed at the right angle
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
uh oh not again  9-) Remember this?

>to take the picture, thus eliminating the "blue sky" shots I ended up
>when I used my astrocam (launched 3 times many, many years ago before
>being smashed to pieces when the engine blew out of the back of the rocket
>instead of deploying the recovery system!)

Hmmmmmm...

What about the cheapo cardboard 35mm cameras? Light and cheap. They make 
a panoramic version of these too. 

What about using the mercury switches to detect burnout and have the camera
look backwards? 

I'll have to check out the Shutterbug ads.. I have three old Brownies
I'd like to try out..





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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scale rocket competition
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.111207.20489@med.umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu writes:
>In article <6082@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
>writes:
>>In article <BtwM40.5C5@news.larc.nasa.gov>, biedron@tab00.larc.nasa.gov
>(Robert Biedron) writes:

>>> hmm...sweeping shavings off the floor to make model rocket motors...?
>>> I've never heard that story 
>>> before - sounds a little far-fetched to me. Still, I suppose stranger things

>>> have happened. 

>>Why do you say that?  Isn't that how Jerry... um... forget I mentioned it.

>Jerry Brown has never made rocket motors - just Linda.


OK whats the deal here? Some embarassing historical skeleton
in the closet from the dawn of hi-power?  9-)

(send me mail if you don't want "inappropriate postings" in 
this newsgroup..sounds like an interesting story behind this..)



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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Insuring your events
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:17:34 GMT

In article <6171@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:

>My advice is for you to contact Sport Flyers' Association.  They WILL
>cover your events.  AMA is no longer the only game in town, and if
>their service is anal-retentive, go elsewhere.  Contact Doug Pratt
>(76703.3041@compuserve.com) for more information.


Not if you happen to fly control-line. The SFA, in its infinite wisdom,
decided that C/L in any form was "too dangerous" and doesn't cover it. 
So even if you fly mostly R/C and fly that Sig Banshee once a year, don't
join the SFA!




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From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: Ignition Systems
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.193911.18648@med.umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu writes:
> BTW would we need to use the plate voltage to ignite the motor
>or would the 6.3VAC filament voltage be ok?

I recommend a B-voltage of at least 45V. Use the 6A6 tube, just like in the
old Fender amps, and the GE recording Spectrophotometer.
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: Astro-Blaster Mod
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.194153.20233@cbnewse.cb.att.com> mckiou@cbnewse.cb.att.com
(kevin.w.mckiou) writes:
>I recently had the opportunity to fly an Estes Astro-Blaster and even
>modify it to perform better.  Here's some of my experience.
>
>The Astro-Blaster is basically set up to fly hands-off on boost - well
>sort of.  You are told to set the trim for a flat glide and launch it
>with that trim.  The AB I flew was indeed trimmed like that.  Actually
>it boosted pretty straight under power.  But, as soon as the motor stopped
>thrusting it REALLY pitches back.  It even looped the first time. I think
>the reason for this behavior is a CG that is really too far forward. It
>is quite sluggish in pitch when flying and the nose/canard will mush
>if you try to bank it into too tight of a turn.  

So, I take it that you never flew it RC, but always flew it complete hands-off
for the entire flight?

J

Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: Astrocam 110 Film
Keywords: 400 speed 110 film still being produced?
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:11:01 GMT

In article <561@rml.UUCP> jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty) writes:

> . . . . I just put the instructions "Please push one stop, camera 
>was set to 400" on the envelope and it's worked every time.

SOP for processing labs is to IGNORE instructions to push/pull C-41 color
negative stock up to 1 step. Requests for more than 1 step push/pull are
usually (a) returned with a note explaining that service is not offered at
that lab, or (b) is available at a surcharge (usually $3 - $5), please
initial here.

Modern C-41 stocks have a 2-step under / 3-step over exposure lattitude. The
material has so low a contrast that little information is lost; the effect is
primarily a density shift which can be removed during printing.

Of course, some shots with the Astrocam are a little marginal, exposure-wise,
resulting in thin negatives even with 400 ISO film. You're better off with
the 400 stuff (or, if they come out with it, 1000) in these situations.

John Viggiano, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu
NAR 25615
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Dallas Area Competition
Keywords: DANN-92 competition contesT
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:40:03 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.141614.2258@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com>, buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott) writes:
> The Dallas Area Rocket Society (DARS) will be hosting the Dallas Area No-
> Name 1992, DANN-92, a two day Open Meet.

> NAR high power certification will be available.

I hope this means they will be sanctioning it as a Regional Sport Launch,
so that people can do multiple steps in the same day.
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From: mckiou@cbnewse.cb.att.com (kevin.w.mckiou)
Subject: Re: Astro-Blaster Mod
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:19:22 GMT

In article <BuEB25.IJA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>
>What I think he means is that if the glider is too nose-heavy it
>will require a lot of "up" elevator to keep it flying level (on a 
>canard this is actually "down foreplane"). The result of this is 
>a strong pitch-up moment if the airplane's speed is increased. This 
>is counterbalanced by the Astro-Blaster's high thrust line during
>the boost, which provides a nose-down pitch. At burnout, however, 
>the thrust is suddenly removed while airspeed is still very high. 
>Now, the nose-down moment due to thrust is gone but the nose-up 
>pitching moment due to the glider's trim and airspeed still exists,
>so the glider pitches up suddenly. Hard to control something as 
>sudden as that. 
>

Well said!  Thanks.  The AB probably could be a better performing
glider, if the CG is moved back.  But, because of the variability
in pilot and builder experience and Estes' potential liability, I
suspect that they were very conservative in CG placement.  The other
factor, of course it the propellant weight.  If the CG were placed
for optimal glide performance, it may well be uncontrollable on boost
when the weight  of the propellant is added behind the CG.  BTW, the
way to safely check this is to install a full motor and then fly it 
by hand-tossing (preferrably over tall grass <G>).

Kevin
From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Astro-(disposable)-cam
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <1992Sep14.022929.20412@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty) writes:
>: 
>: You could try using a segmented gear. 
>
>Good idea. That would simplify the mechanism quite a bit. That would also
>clear up the problem of relieving the spring tension that would be required
>with a lever. The only problem would be making the segmented gear with the
>exact number of teeth required. Make it spring loaded so it has a few degrees
>of leeway?

Either that, or maybe you could use a friction drive but that's
a little tricky, i.e. you need enough friction to drive the
advance, but not so much to do damage once the film is advanced
and the drive wheel slips; all while enduring gee loads in the
+/- 20g range.

Since you're removing teeth from the gear, it would seem that getting
the right number is the most literal example of "cut and try" I can
think of! Too much advance? File off another!

- Jack


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From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Tracking powder
Summary: Use your parachute
Keywords: powder parachute
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:20:27 GMT
Expires: 10/15/92

I use magenta tempura tracking powder, myself.  Make a "cup" in the middle of 
your parachute for the powder.  Pack it so that the enclosed powder is the first
thing out, right behind the nose cone.  As the parachute deploys, it scatters
the powder in a line, making a distinct visual target at altitude.


Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Ignition Systems
Organization: U of M Hospitals
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.152043.2238@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A
Stephen Viggiano) writes:
>In article <sedj0c600WB98vRmpk@andrew.cmu.edu> lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence
Curcio) writes:
>>I was recently shocked to discover that several lines of guitar
>>amplifiers still use tubes exclusively. Hard to believe...
>
>Perhaps we should be using vacuum tubes in our launchers, too. You'll get a
>much more "mellow" sound than with solid state, important for those large
>composite launches. (Insert a :-) here for the humor-impaired.)
>
>BTW, one reason the composite engines sound different from Black Powder is the
>large difference in exhaust velocity: ca. Mach 2,5 for Black Powder, vs. ca.
>Mach 6 for composite.
>
But sound doesn't travel through a vacuum - it travels better through a solid. 
Perhaps we should consider requiring vacuum tube launchers in areas affected by
noise polution.  BTW would we need to use the plate voltage to ignite the motor
or would the 6.3VAC filament voltage be ok?
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Tracking powder
Organization: U of M Hospitals
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.174953.24501@axis.dsg.ti.com> barrett@add.itg.ti.com
writes:
>  Has anyone figured out a way to put tracking powder (i.e.  carpenters
>chalk) in a rocket and not get it all over everything?  I currently use
>the procedure of just dumping 1/2 cup or so in the body tube so that it
>comes out when the chute ejects.  It stains the chute, and the outside
>of the rocket on occasion.  It is impossible to remove.
>
>  I have been thinking of putting it into a plastic bag, but I want the
>contents to pour out at ejection and not have a bag full of powder
>falling down.
>
>  I could get real complicated and make a separate chamber and use a
>timer/pryo-device to eject it.  But I would like to keep it simple (and
>clean!).
>
>Any ideas?
>
Use powered tempra paint.  The carpenters chalk never comes off.  As long as
you don't get the tempra wet and then let it dry wet, you can clean it up with
a damp cloth - well 95% clean at least (Bob B will tell you that his scale
altitude models are throw-aways but for any thing else, they're clean enough)

Powered tempra comes on lots of colors.  Some show up better against some sky
conditions than others.  I use both black and red and cut them half and half
with corn starch.  The black tends to be better against a cloudly sky, while
red is better for blue sky.
 
Getting the stuff inside the body tube can be accomplished with a paper funnel
- the flat paper cups along side of a lot of water coolers makes a good one -
just cut the tip off.  Alternately, roll a cone out of bond paper.
 
Tracking powder is a trade-off item.  You want to put in enough that the
trackers can see it - but every gram you put in is probably pushing you farther
away from optimum weigth and lowering your altitude.  
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Scale rocket competition
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:42:00 GMT

In Article <1992Sep15.134828.19329@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> "rbs@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Sisk)" says:
> In article <1992Sep14.130610.14782@med.umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (A. Roger Wilfong) writes:
> 
> STUFF DELETED
> 
> >BTW - Speaking of SNOAR NEWS, did Matt get an issue out intime for NARAM this
> >year?
> 
> I thought Matt had stopped publishing SNOAR NEWS about a year ago?
> 
> Bob
> -- 
No.  A couple of years ago he quit accepting new subscriptions.  At that time
he promised the existing subscribers one more year (6 issues) of SNOAR NEWS.
He didn't say he'd get them done but he said 6 more.  The issue from last
year was a double issue that counted as two issues, but he still has 2 or 3
to go.  I was just curious if he's gotten another one out - I don't always
agree with Matt's opinions but I've always appreciated his perspectiv
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Nike v.s. Mosquito
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.151043.26649@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mdavis@alex (M. Davis) writes:

>The reasons behind the "miracle" of recovering a Mosquito include its size,
>speed, and potential altitude.  As was mentioned here a few days ago, you
>can't watch a Mosquito "take-off."  It just disappears.  If you're lucky  
>(a small engine helps), you may catch sight of its smoke trail during the  
>delay, or a puff as the engine ejects.  If you do manage to catch sight of
>it again, your only hope is to avoid blinking until it is on the ground
>and you've located a landmark near where it hit.

Really? The _motor_ ejects? The Estes catalog did mention some
kind of "superlight" recovery (can't remember the term now) ...
So _thats_ how it works  9-)






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From: smith@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Astro-(disposable)-cam
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:12:09 GMT

Before I run down to the store to try this myself, can you give brief
instructions on how to nondestructively open one of the Kodak panoramic 
disposable cameras for reloading/modifying it?  I have plenty of
darkroom experience but have never worked with one of these specifically,
and remember when a lot of Kodak stuff had to be physically broken in
order to get the film out.  Even if they intend for this camera to be
reusable a few times, I imagine you have to know what hidden tabs and
buttons to push to get it apart without cracking something.

Thanks for the info.

Greg Smith N9LHI
NAR 15881 SR
smith@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
From: msjohnso@daisy.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: RE: Sounding Rockets (was Re: HPR thoughts & questions...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: msjohnso@daisy.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

In article <28AUG199209213917@vx.cis.umn.edu> soc1070 writes:
>
>Great! Just what the hobby needs - more Estes *involvement* with video 
>tape...

At the time of NARAM-31, Mike was not associated with Estes.  This video
connection is pure coincidence.

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Astrocam 110 Film
Keywords: 400 speed 110 film still being produced?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:59:13 GMT

In article <3599@eastman.UUCP> spoelhof@kodak.com (Gordon C. Spoelhof) writes:
>(C. D. Tavares) writes:
>> It was probably me who posted this.  400 ASA film was first pulled in the
>> mid 80's, I believe; then came back in the late 80's.  Then I heard from
>> others in my club last year that it had been discontinued AGAIN.  So maybe 
>> it's coming back AGAIN.  Best thing to do:  look at the expiration date on
>> the film and compare it to the expiration date on the 200 film.  If it's
>> older, I'd suggest you stock up.  If not, it's apparently come back.
>
>I called Kodak's Information Center (1-800-242-2424) and received the
>following information:
>
>Kodak 110 ASA 400 Gold film has been discontinued but is still in inventory.
>It is replaced by Kodak 110 ASA 400 GoldPlus film...


Hmmm.. you know, I'd be very surprised if 400 ASA 110 film was 
being discontinued by _every_ manufacturer, even if one or two 
decided to discontinue it. It would be one heck of a conspiracy
... 9-)  It might take place over a period of years but not
all at once..


Hmmm.. anyone know where I can get 127 film for my Brownies?









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From: ztsindi@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Independents - SUNY Buffalo)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Night Launches?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	How many of you illustrious Rocketeers have done night 
launches? Finding the rocket seems to be the problem here, though
I can think of two solutions right away; A tiny light on the rocket
(blinking would help) or maybe a large dayglo chute. Any other 
solutions? What are your recollections of a night launch? Oh, has
anyone done a night launch with an AstroCam or Cineroc? THAT would
make interesting pictures, at least there would be no 'blue sky' 
shots...
						- Joe
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