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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: CS Hackers?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:38:37 GMT

In article <1992Mar27.054556.16238@u.washington.edu>, whit@milton.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) writes:
> In article <1992Mar26.033622.5812@dxcern.cern.ch> zeus@vxcern.enet.dec.com writes:
>>In article <1992Mar24.050624.757@u.washington.edu>,
>>whit@milton.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) writes:
>>
>         I've done some language cross-calling, and a linker does
> NOT suffice.
> 
>         One needs to have full details of the calling
> sequence in all the languages (and enough tools to build
> up the correct CALL in the language of interest).  More
> often than not, data types mismatch: C strings have no similarity to
> FORTRAN strings; FORTRAN complex numbers have no support in other
> languages; assembly routines use structures that defy
> simple HLL description.  

And as well we handwave the semantic diferences between 'equivalent' HLL
constructs. The Vax pretends that there is one CALL, and that everthing
fits that model. A college insists that writing C code that REQUIRES that
a stack is used for argument passing can't see why its not ' a good idea '.

In numerous projects I've been in, people have this pervers desire to select
their tools ( called standards ) before they know what they need to do with
them. The problem is not the what language do we use, but the need to match
solution to problem. Look at the original Fortran SPICE if you want an example
of overcoming despite all odds. On the other side, no way would I want to
use BLISS or Macro for heavy floating point stuff.

The thing I like most about nearly all asm's I've seen is the layout:

label... code... args... comment char... short comment on what we are doing

Even C programmers seem unable to resist filling in the right hand side..

~Paul

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: Mel: Fact or Fiction?
Reply-To: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Organization: Snake Island Research Inc, Toronto
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.080630.12140@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>In article <1g10cq#9ccDtJ80J3Qg8XYqJM64YPTf=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>>In <JSC.92Apr1061000@monolith.mit.edu> Jin S. Choi wrote:
>>
>>Occasionally.  I've spoken with him.  Mel was a real person.  I think Ed
>>told me that the story too place in 1964, but I'm not sure of that.
>
>1964 doesn't seem real to date the drum-memory machines.  Perhaps the story
>starts in 1964 and flashs back for most of its time-line.  Any company making
>non-core memory machines by then was already dead or dying.

In 1965, I was using 3 machines at Linde Air in Tonawanda, NY:
 a. A Burroughs 205, which had drum main store, and LOTS of tubes.
 b. A 360/40: The first one installed outside of a military complex,
    according to people there at the time.
 c. An IBM 1401, with 4k (count 'em four) of mainstore.

The B205 stayed there another two years or so, until we got the
simulator written and working well enough on the /40 to dump the   
B205, which was indeed, a bit pricey in terms of price/performance,
maintenance, etc. even then.




Robert Bernecky      rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com  bernecky@itrchq.itrc.on.ca 
Snake Island Research Inc  (416) 368-6944   FAX: (416) 360-4694 
18 Fifth Street, Ward's Island
Toronto, Ontario M5J 2B9 
Canada
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rfs@uunet.uu.net (Robert F Spence)
Subject: Re: Why Grey? Are computer unhappy objects?
Organization: Not very.
	<YdsEnOm00VpPIF43Zi@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:50:12 GMT

In article <YdsEnOm00VpPIF43Zi@andrew.cmu.edu> Joseph Wei-Cheng Ku <jk73+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

  > don't forget that the NeXT's are black. more morbid than all other computers.

Indeed.  They remind me of certain other cube from a certain pair of
Clive Barker movies...


				:: Rob Spence :: rfs@kepler.unh.edu
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Those wackhy K&R guys
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:15:44 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr6.120821.54229@cc.usu.edu> ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!) writes:
>
>I was looking through the index of "The Design an Implementation of the 4.3BSD
>UNIX Operating System" and came across the entry "caster oil,266". On page
>266 is a figure describing the C-list structure. The contents of the data
>buffer illustrated are:
>
>	"Documentation is the caster oil of programming. Managers know
>	 it must be good because the programmers hate it so much."
>
>BTW: they spelled it "caster". I know it's supposed to be spelled "castor".
>
>Roger Ivie
>ivie@cc.usu.edu


They probably did mean caster.  Did you ever taste the stuff they lubricate the
casters on a DEC H-960 cabinet with :-( :-( :-(  :-).

cjl
From: baylock@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Andersen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Why Grey? Are computer unhappy objects?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:17:32 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Apr11.043224.25604@thoth.rent.com>, azog@thoth.rent.com (Billy
D'Augustine) writes:
>You know, Ive been following this thread for some time now, but so far
>I havent seen a explanation as to _why_ computers are mostly grey?
>

Probably because grey is a neutral color and will go well with most other
furnishings/colors in a office or home.


Baylock

Life is like Ice Cream & Bacon
* Think Alternatives / Question Authority *
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
Subject: Re: me vs. vi survey *please read*
Originator: hshubs@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 18:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Mar25.092223.23873@alf.uib.no> buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen) writes:
>Anthony Edward Prattico (pratta@marcus.its.rpi.edu)  writes:
>
>[... Matthew I just delted your inclusion to this article ...:-]
>
>:set FlameMode partial
>
>>
>>I really can't stay quiet on this subject much longer. 
>
>Neither can I... usualy I keep of the Holy Wars ! But this is just to much.
>
>> I can tell you that in
>>the last week and a half, I've used gnuemacs at least twice a day, and vi
>>exactly once. 
>> In fact, I'm replying to this using emacs. 
>
>Wow ... We are soooo impressed that you realy could do it in Emacs !

[giggle]

>
>>
>>Yes, there are a lot hard to remember key combinations, but I solved that by
>>putting a reference card on the wall in front of me at eye level. 
>
>Hmmm... what a crap editor when you need to have a whole reference on your
>desk just to use the basics.

Heck, I'm using EMACS now, and I only know how to do four things in
it: get in, get out, move around, search for something.  I kinda
wonder if there's an EDT emulation in here somewhere.


>>
>>I especially hate the fact that vi doesn't use cursor keys, 
>
>WRONG WRONG WRONG !!!!!
>Before you flame another editor... learn how to use it ! Don't listen to 
>your mom !
>It's EXSTREMLY easy to map the cursor keys... 

Ah, but you have to map them!  In other words, they're not simply
available?!  Tell me, does "vi" have a spelling checker?


>you don't realy need that... We also have the WordStar emulator... soon to 
>come is the WordPerfect emulator that produce troff or nroff commands to your
>text... You name it, we'll make it... No problem since VI is a turing machine..

A WordStar emulator??  The only sequence anyone needs for WS is ^K^D
(for those who don't know, this means "please may I get out?"), IMHO.
-- 
Howard S Shubs      hshubs@eff.org      I don't represent the EFF,
The Denim Adept     hshubs@BIX.com      but I do agree with them.
From: smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Mel: Fact or Fiction?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:36:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sctc.1992Apr15.143653.4770
Organization: SCTC

Charles Lasner asks:

>In any case, can someone date the year that core-memory machines made
>NEW computers based on drum memory be passe?

Drum memories survived for quite a while in the marketplace simply
because they were so much cheaper per bit than ferrite cores. The
first cost competitive low end computer with ferrite cores was the
PDP-1 in '61. It cost twice as much as a low end drum machine like
the G-15 or the Librascope and ran about a thousand times faster.

Rick.
smith@sctc.com           arden hills, minnesota
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: wargopl@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Peter L. Wargo)
Subject: Re: Sinclair Lore Query
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:54:35 GMT

From article <hj9il0w@Unify.Com>, by perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke):
> rivero@mdcbbs.com wrote:
> 
>>
>>  Found a working Sinclair with memory expansion and some tape programs 
>>for $5 at a yard sale over the weekend. Anyone have interesting stories about
>>this little machine?
> 
> Am I correct in thinking that most of the "Timex/Sinclair" models sold in
> the US were ZX80s?

Actually, they were ZX81's w/2K, instead of one.


Also, I liked the membrane kbd - I was able to slide my 
fingers around the board fanster than I can type.  Combined with the "keyword"
keys, I could write a BSIC program very quickly.

-Pete

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From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Disk and Drive incompatible....
Keywords: Disk 3.5 5.25 Formatting
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:02:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.100245.26287
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22945]: spop.navo.navy.mil

In article <fstuart.920411154518@lab16.eng.auburn.edu>, fstuart@eng.auburn.edu (Frank Stuart) writes:
|> In article <9204101748.25@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
|> >
|> >This doesn't seem to work reliably under MSDOS. 
|> 
|> Do you know of anything that does?  :>
|> 
   Yes, the on/off switch, in the off position.

-- 
     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce

    "I want a new duck...." Weird Al Yankovic
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Subject: Re: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
Organization: University of Michigan, IFS Project
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:10:06 GMT

In article <magyar.703160688@hss> magyar@hss.caltech.edu (Ted Turo'cy) writes:
>
>
>	A question for those who, unlike me, are old enough to possibly
>remember:  Last summer, I came across a sf short story (sorry, I forget
>who wrote it, maybe someone can fill it in for me) named "Watchdog", in
>which the 'o' was slashed.  What caught my eye was a footnote (from the
>original story) which said something to the effect that "it was common
>computing practice for printers to slash o's so that there would be no
>confusion with zeroes".  Well, as far as I can remember (~10 yrs), I've
>only seen _zeroes_ slashed, and never o's (except, of course, in those
>languages which have the slashed-o as a character...).  Anyone know
>when this practice changed?  Are there any more "modern" notable systems
>to used the slashed 'o'?
>
>Ted Turo'cy
>magyar@hss.caltech.edu
>----------------------
>"It _should_ have been called the Hungaro-Austrian Empire..."
>
My recollection is that the first Model 35 Teletype I ever saw (1964)
had a slashed "oh",  Since it was connected to the first time sharing
system I ever saw...

sarr


(Sarr Blumson)
From: team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Mel: Fact or Fiction?
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:00:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr13.030017.16174
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

In article <1992Apr9.130415.7448@sctc.com> smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith) writes:
kevind@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Draz) writes:

>Maybe the dead/dying phrase is deadly accurate.  I've never heard of Litton
>making a computer before or since.  And who is/was Freiden?

Maybe Litton was OEM'ing someone else's machine. On the other hand, by
the late '60s it probably didn't take much technology to build a drum
machine, even out of discrete transistors. Performance could be a


   Anybody out there remeber the TRW AN/YUC-1 ?  My father started working on 
   these in 1963 for the Navy.  I believe it was the first shipboard computer
   system in the world (originally built for use on Polaris class subs).



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: spam@iastate.edu (Michael L Begley)
Subject: Re: Easter Egg FAQ list
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.034515.19368@news.iastate.edu> radish@iastate.edu (R. Hoon) writes:
>At Iowa State's Computation Center, we have an HDS 9180
[...]
>let me demonstrate:
>
>  radish@aviator$ telnet wylbur
>  Trying...
>  Connected to wylbur.
>  Escape character is '^]'.
>  Connecting to port ELF-0012
>
>  Iowa State University Computation Center
>
>  User? joshua!!
>  Greetings Professor Falken!
>
>  Would you like to play a game (Yes/No)?
>
>If you reply yes, it plays a simple number-guessing game and
>then tells you that you'd learn more with an Apple II than
>trying to break in to other people's systems.
>
>Shows the age of the joke, I guess.  :-)

A bit of a follow up to this;  I just checket it out and it still works.
The 'game' asks you to guess a number between 1 and N; N being the number of
people who had tried to log on thru the joshua!! account that day.

It appears that 13 other people have played with this just today; I wonder how
long it's been since anyone has before today.

-mike begley
spam@iastate.edu
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been in hack mode too long when...
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:44:13 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <JKONRATH.92Apr11222843@bronze.bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jkonrath@bronze.bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath) writes:
>one time my girlfriend and i were asleep when she got up to go to the
>bathroom.  I would not let her leave, and insisted that the bathroom
>was commented out of the rest of the house, because if i compiled
>with the code in for the bathroom, there would be errors......

I dunno. I once dreamed I couldn't go to the bathroom because I couldn't
get the device driver for the door working.

>anyone else wake up in the middle of the night with a half-idea
>on a program, and cant figure out why your emacs wont let you
>enter stuff, before you realize youre not in front of a computer?

Well, another time I woke up while I was dreaming I'd screwed up the device
driver for my eyelids, and I couldn't open my eyes to fix the problem. Very
irritating, because once I got my eyes open I was awake and didn't have
access to the software any more.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Assembler Formats (was: CS Hackers?)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:25:08 GMT

In article <35088@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, parke@star.enet.dec.com (Bill Parke) writes:
> 
> One of my favorite assemblers of all time was the DEC-10
> (and probably 6 and 20) with such as the following:
> 
> 	JRST	{	ADDM	R0,MEMA
 	JRST	[	ADDM	R0,MEMA
		^ minor typo
> 			TDNN	R1,MEMB
> 			JRST	.+1
> 			JRST	.+2 ]
> 
you also need an MLON directive before this code.

Scadds of 6/10/20 macro used the failing conditional to insert large
comment blocks

~Paul
From: ollis@redbck.enet.dec.com (Stephen Ollis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Computer-related auto license tags
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:06:51 GMT
Reply-To: ollis@redbck.enet.dec.com
Organization: DIGITAL Equipment Corporation, Rhodes, AUSTRALIA


One of the guys who I worked with has a white volkswagen with 
the plates VAX 750
--
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| Email: ollis@redbck.enet.dec.com |  hell..."                   |
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From: parke@star.enet.dec.com (Bill Parke)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Assembler Formats (was: CS Hackers?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:46:13 GMT
Reply-To: parke@star.enet.dec.com
Organization: DIGITAL - VMS Engineering


One of my favorite assemblers of all time was the DEC-10
(and probably 6 and 20) with such as the following:

	JRST	{	ADDM	R0,MEMA
			TDNN	R1,MEMB
			JRST	.+1
			JRST	.+2 ]

Bill Parke 			parke%star.enet.dec@decwrl.dec.com
VMS Development			decwrl!star.enet.dec.com!parke
Digital Equipment Corp		parke@star.enet.dec.com
110 Spit Brook Road ZK01-2/D59, Nashua NH 03063

The views expressed are my own.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: dagbrown@descartes.waterloo.edu (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Computer-related auto license tags
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:33:34 GMT

In article <264-JNEWS-1.2@smylex.UUCP> jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee) writes:
>Have had problems with newsfeed recently, so I don't know if this one's 
>been brought up or not:  in Boston (a while ago, actually), a Mass. plate 
>reading VAX-VMS.
>
	Where I work, there's a guy who has a license plate that
reads:  VAX WIZ.

				Dave Brown
				dagbrown@descartes.waterloo.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.unix.wizards,cct.ccc,cct.cuhug,comp.editors,comp.unix.questions
From: adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton)
Subject: Re: me vs. vi survey *please read*
Organization: Milo's Meadow
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.091416.8007@ibmpcug.co.uk> dylan@ibmpcug.co.uk (Matthew Farwell) writes:
>
>No, the best editor in existence is TECO.
>
>zjiJust another teco hacker
>$$
>
>Dylan.

Hah.  Shows what _you_ know.  TECO's not an editor.  It's a lifestyle.

Adam
-- 
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 cliched stereotypes.  His Horatio, Hamlet's bosom companion...has a penchant
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From: mikef@bidochon.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike J. Fuller)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been in hack mode too long when...
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:21:56 GMT
Reply-To: mikef@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Computational Materials Laboratory, NASA Lewis Research Center
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.9, GNUS 3.14.1, NNTP 3.10

>>>>> On Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:09:35 GMT, evilted@vesta.unm.edu said:

> ...you're looking for your hilighter and you think:
> find . -pen HiLiter -print

> additions?

A friend asks you what you're going to do later and you answer:

cd $HOME
mkbed
sleep 28800


You almost get hit by a bus that pulled away from the stop without looking
and you say:

PANIC: bus error


You are looking at an ASCII core dump of your OS project which has many O's
and &'s in it (among other things), and you shout:

I see the problem.  Orcs are attacking my demons.


You order pie a-la-mode and a friend asks "what mode?", to which you answer:

1755 (sticky bit).


You go to lunch and there are no forks at the cafeteria, to which you
exclaim:

fork(): no more processes


Your friends send you to the refrigerator to get an imported beer, but you
can't find an opener, so you report:

bottle: cannot open
opener: not found


BTW, all of the above are true, and yes, I am seeking professional help!

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From: pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: net.celebrities canonical list - version 0.001
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:43:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: srl06.pgf.702690180
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

Are y'all forgetting one pretty big celebrity?

A certian "Mad mastermind?"


--
Phil Fraering pgf@nasa12.usl.edu 318/365-5418
"How about a dragon that breathes neutrons instead of fire?  Kills the
elves, leaves the buildings intact..." - Nick Szabo
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: net.celebrities canonical list - version 0.001
Date: 8 Apr 1992 09:55:33 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Distribution: na
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <56557@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
)	Tim Marooney.  Need I say more?  (Where has he been, anyway?)

	I think you're joking, but just for the record let's note the
correct spelling is "Maroney". The word I have says that he's been spending
most of his net time on GEnie of late. Given that GEnie tends to attract
more pro SF writers and Maroney's propensity for name-dropping, this sounds
plausible. (The same source reports that the people there find him just
as annoying as the people here did.)

-- 
David Goldfarb    goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu   (Insert standard disclaimer)
"Yes, netrek is very relaxing. The beauty, the calmness. It is being used
experimentally to reduce blood pressure in patients at the Mayo Clinic."
			-- Mark Hall, on alt.games.xtrek
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: chip-on-chip technology
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:36:59 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <marc.702754195@vieta.math.uni-sb.de>, marc@vieta.math.uni-sb.de (Marc Conrad) writes:
> peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> 
>>In article <1223@eouk15.abcl.co.uk> pcockere@abcl.co.uk (Pete Cockerell) writes:
>>> #define
> 
>>> is pronounced `pound-define' (not `hash-define')
> 
>>No, it's pronounced `number-define'. :->
>>
> 
> Perhaps 'define sharp' ??           (   :-) )
> 

  The '#' is silent!   :)





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