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>From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:09:57 GMT
>Subject: Re: FZ, a legend leaving us...
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
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>In article <1992Aug18.124232.30462@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>>
>>	The Rumor is true......
>>
>>Farrukh Zafar is returning to God's country...  A legend zipping
>>through our lives.....   He will be missed!!!
>>
>>I, among other SCPians, male and femails ;-), wish him all the best!!
>>
>>-Rukhsana [beyond words....] Merchant
>
>Is it true, is he actually leaving us, many of us will not belive this
>until we see the exhaust fumes of his plane as it takes off.
>
>obviously we will need another commentator and chaeuffer(sp) for LA trips

Thats right, we need to advertise the job for a running commentator   as 
soon as possible.  You know its a tough job - commenting while you are 
running :-)
By the way Rafay Sahib, your wides really helped our side in getting into the
double figures  :)

How about arranging a farewell party for FZ for those who can attend?

>
>sahibzada rafay khan[ topfull or topless ?????????? lets take a poll]

Tanwir Syed [waiting for the poll result]
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Arindam Ghosh
Date: 12 Aug 1992 09:55:26 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug10.221205.2561@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
::
:::Why cant we live and love our Gods and leave others to love their
:::Gods ?
:::
::
::Because, there are some devious crooks who may very well 
::decieve the simple "illogical" public through their "logical" 
::marketing ploys!!!!
::
:Agreed! however, I will no ban such ploys but use the sword of toungue:
:When a person gets sold to an inferior idea then there must be something
:wrong to the marketing strategy of the superior product.

So, we agree that there is some thing more than "logic" which dictates
the acceptablity of a product.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Subject: USA and the Gulf War
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:16:58 GMT



I was pleasantly surprised to hear the Americans finally acknowledge
that the real and only purpose for American participation in the Gulf
war was to safeguard their source of oil by preventing one nation (one man)
from getting control of 2/3 rd. of the world oil reserves. 

On Aug 19 the US labour secretary Lynn Martin in her speech at the Republican
Natl. Convention said that " (the American objective was) ...stop Saddam from
getting control of 2/3 rd of the world oil reserves..".

Again Bush, in his acceptance speech, reminded the delegates that he had 
served American Natl. interest by preserving American access to Middle East
oil (paraphrase).

I just wanted to bring it to the notice of those apologists who have been
valiantly trying to defend the alleged *noble* intent of the US which guided
their war against Iraq.



--Javed.

====
What has been the biggest joke since the birth of democracy ?

  The United Nations.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim)
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:40:04 GMT

I agree, Islam is completely impractical. The facts point to this.
In Pakistan, a country born out of an idea for a moslem homeland,
where everything was to be followed along the lines of the 
Koran. 

Guess again! Everything is being followed along its lines provided
it fulfils one's ambition. The so called land of pure is a land
of total corruption, unlawfullness and nepotism. It has turned into
a land of thugs, crooks, and anything else you can think off. 

I wish Allama Iqbal was here to comment. He would have said just
repeated what he did in Jawab Shikwa Jawab, "Ounton ke hudikhan
gaye apni baglon meh baglon me koran gaye. Khandazan kufur hai,
aisas thuje hai ke nehai".

Islam is there just to be shown and used for power play. Islam
as far as I am concerned is finished and has nearly ceased to
exist. If a statistical survey was to be carried out today,
it will be shown that most people are muslim by birth and 
are so called "non practisinng" muslim.

This may be offensive to some people. My apologies.  Pakistan
should take off it shroud of religion. Religion is like a york
holding its people down. Take it off and become free from its
burden.

Sajid

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From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: This is a test by the newly appointed SCP MODERATOR        (not)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:41:19 GMT
Organization: UB

From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: DESI BOYS & ARAB WOMEN

>that is truly disgusting, these arab women should be shot. Women are the sole
>reason there is evil in this world, now if god had made us a-sexual there would
>never be this problem.

You mean we are not a-sexual. Damn!!! No wonder, that explain why ...... :) :)

I was watching a re-run of a Cheers episode where Norm goes

" Women, you can't live without them and pass me the Beer-nuts". :) :)

>sahibzada rafay khan[arab women are they blond]

That's not the right question.

>p.s. how much does a ticket to arabia cost and how soon can i get one.


Rafay the Haj season has long gone my brother :)  ChayReefying Arab women 
is punishable by castration.   

 Every scp-ian male say "ooooooooooooooooooooooo!"


We now return you to our regular programming, every body get back to the
religious bs.

Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: AYODHYA Temple: Pakis and their cheap motives
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug12.044043.14068@uceng.UC.EDU> you write:
>In article <56609@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Learn to respect your women ( and they include your mother and sister)
>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   and give them equal rights. Give some social status to Hindu minorities
>>>   before you try to preach your ideologies.
>>> 
>>     Oh yeah I forgot we are are the ones who burn our women.
>>
>> ch talk about rights!!!!!!! 
>>             ___   
>> Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
>
>So you are the ones who burn their women, I thought you only forced them
>into Burkhas, we Indians are so naive.
>
>Manoj

Noooo, manoj you got it all wrong. We don't force them into burkhas, but BJP's
like you burn their women after the husbands die. And if blind BJP's like you
would read some history, that professor Oak had it all wrong. There is no
evidence of any Masjid being built on any hindu temple, but BJP's like you
wouldn't want to hear anything about it.

zafar 

ps you can find out more about me if you care to. I go to your university.
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Multiple wives
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:11:47 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA


	The point of Islam allowing multiple wives is not an issue that
is debatable.  It is allowed and it is the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (phuh)
and it is still valid today as it was fourteen centuries ago.  There are
reasons why it is permitted and the guidelines in Islam are for all
people and all time.  Those who disagree with the concept and call it
sexist and baised against women can choose not to practise it.  But when
people conclude to questioning the character of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
and theorizing that Islam deprives the rights of women, then, those
people haven't really understood what Islam has given to women.   

Islam is the exception.  

-Rukhsana Merchant
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Dear deb/ Al-Islam
Keywords: Muhammad Asghar Khan.
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.142952.4119@prism.poly.edu>, ahussain@prism.poly.edu 
(Arshad Hussain) writes...
> 
>I think the discussion regarding Das vs Gandhi moving towards wrong 
>direction.  I have high respect for Mr. Das.  I don't think he
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Personally Gandhi and Das were very pious characters. I do respect them. 
 However both were politically corrupt. That's what I was trying to say by
 when I meant `hypocrite'. Moderates always tried to appeal to the weak-minds
 via their escapist `ahimsa' policy - teaching the people to reject the struggle
 achieveable (sp.?) via armed resistance. This, is what I hate about the 
 moderates in both INC and Muslim League (Sir Syed Ahmed). Please allow me to
 take this opportunity to remind you that my interests in Al-Islam are purely
 political. I strongly believe that since one is a free-individual he/ she has
 the birthright to choose any mode of worship that she pleases. However, giving
 a political color as did Maulana Maudoodi (Jamat-i-Islam) in 1941 [1], is not
 in anyway acceptable. Also, to rise against this fundamentalist attitude, 
 Bankim Chandra Chatterjee wrote about the Hindu Revivalism in Ananandamath. I 
 now believe that he was not completely incorrect.

>was a hypocrite. 
> 
>Let's postpone it to some other time. 

 Yes, I suggest that you might choose to go thru' [1, ch. 4].

> 
>Arshad

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)

[1] Muhammad Asghar Khan (ed.), "Islam, Politics and the State: A Pakistan 
    Experience ", Zed Books, London, 1985. (Read Ch. 4 by Ziaul Haque).
From: asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:00:50 GMT
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science

In article <1992Aug21.112045.1398@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>    Oh boy! You are new to computers???? 
>    Are not you the fellow from CMU, who had nothing to do one year
	Never went to CMU, sorry :)

>    back, who posted ten one-liners everyday somewhere hidden in
>    the quoted statements. Are not you the obnoxious paki, who 
>    vomitted anti-india venom every now and then. You were sick
>    then, and you are sick now.

	Are you my family MD or something? If so, you better change 
	the perscription, it is obvious, it is not working, never did
	even ;)

Asim Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
>
>    Raja 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.tamil
From: asyed@unlinfo.unl.edu (arshad syed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Urdu Word Processor for DOS machines
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:41:11 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

Thanx
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Contradictions of (so called) upholders of rights
Summary: if neutral is not good then what is good
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:43:39 GMT

In article <dogar.714319683@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Aug17.211203.1012@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> >>
> >> We must look at things from everybody's point of view. I always
> >>take neutral (non-religious) point of view on this issues. Since
> >>I do not think that I can impose on others what my Gods say. 
> 
> >So, you will opt for "neutrality" for its own sake.
> >I go for what is "right". I am looking for "truth" __ the ultimate
> >"truth". It doesn't matter from which platform 
> >it comes. (my religion or your religion, or his/her  religion)
> 
> 
> Ahem. I would also like to point out that the "non-religous"
> point of view is, by definition, NOT neutral.
> 
> -hd
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>                               -RUSH [No, not Limbaugh  :-)]


If looking at things from everybody's point of view is not
good enough, then what is ?

regards,

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Subject: Re: Mild warning18695
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:50:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.021215.4971@gw.wmich.edu>, 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.202831.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0 say; well what then ???   Dont you realize, you'll all run out of
>> topics to discuss...this is just a warning, take it for what its worth
>> but I strongly suggest you all discuss Islamic matters a bit less,
>> lest we run out of things to say :-)
>> jahanara
> 
> Dear Miss Jahanara,
> 	
> 	We appreciate your suggestion about not discussing Islamic matters . We have
> something to tell you. The basic fact lies as far as a human mind goes if it
> does not understand anything it comes out with some weird questions and doubts.
> Especially Islam or any other religion is concerned we believe that if a person 
> has understood his religion in its purpose, true sense and spirit.  He will
> never never have any doubts, questions or contradictions about it. As he will
> be involved and dedicated  in following it rather than gossiping about it for
> he will be worried about his own self.  The essence of religion lies in
> purifying the soul, self realisation, reason for existance and purpose of
> creation not in discussing useless facts and figures in proving who is better
> and best or worse and worst.   
>      
> 	 ** my sentiments exactly!! > 
> 	So it is incumbent on every believer that he should read QURAN and try
> to understand for the betterment of his own self rather find who is doing what.
> (stuff deleted)
> Let the Almighty ALLAH make all MUSLIMS read his book and follow. (ameen)
> 
> Tariq, Anjum
>
Mr. Tariq, Anjum, 
Thank you for contributing to my Islamic education, but when I said it
was neglected I didnt mean to imply that I didnt even know the kulma.
Thank you very much for your trouble, but it was quite unnecessay
because I am comfortable with my beliefs and I am not much bothered by
others having different beliefs than my own.  jahanara 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Polyandry in Tibet and Islamic prohibition.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.132005.30459@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>First of all, I would like to state that I truly value your input because
>it is thought provoking and insightful.  However, I would also like to 
>state that, even though a culture does what is outside the realm of
>what is permissible in Islam, does not make it an acceptable allowance
>in Islam.  Whether the women of Tibet have multiple husbands or the
>women in some rain forest feel better able to survive in nudity, the rules
>of Islam do not permit it.  I do not judge these cultures since it is
>not for me to judge.  But one of the answers that we muslims are told
>to ponder on is "Because we saw our fathers practising it".  
>
>-Rukhsana Merchant

What you say is part of my point. I agree that what is permissible in 
other cultures does not necessarily have to be permitted in Islam. But 
I was stressing more on the reverse side of this statement i.e., 

"Is it true that what is NOT permissible in Islam should NOT BE 
permissible in other cultures too (irrespective of any conditions)??! "


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From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Subject: confirmation of DESI BOYS & ARAB WOMAN
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:40:39 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC
Keywords: slavery, sexual abuse, government negligence

Unfortunately, your suspicions are well founded.  Arab women are
indeed abusing these young people and their government has no
comment for the record.  It is one of those unfortunate cases in
which the whims of the privileged are being fulfilled by abusing
the needy.  As in Argentina, there's no legitimate way of stopping
it or interfering.  Their sovereign, after all.

Ruth DiTucci
Syndicated News Service


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Email gateway in Lahore (the one Imran Anwar et. al. run)
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:07:50 GMT

Could some kind soul out there in netland please email me Imran Anwar's 
address in Lahore ?  Also, if someone can email me any info. regarding 
the Lahore email gateway, I would greatly appreciate it!  I had all 
the info (incl. the phone number etc.) but seem to have deleted everything
:-( grrrrrr

fmb
  
-- 
Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest 
relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Muslim Population: Statistics
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:19:51 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

1.....              INDIA and PAKISTAN[1]
 
          1989(mi)  Muslim%    Muslim(mi)    1994 Proj.   Muslim(mi)

Pak       109.741      97       106.449        123.538    119.832(97%)
Ind       813.445      11        89.479        881.721     96.99(11%)

2....      Muslim Countries: Mid-1991 Estimates[2]

Indonesia    181.400 mi
Pakistan     117.500 mi
Bangladesh   116.600 mi

[1] The World Book Encyclopedia 1989( World Book Inc.)
[2] The 1992 ALMANAC, 45th Ed. 1992(Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston)

Arshad Hussain
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: showing of wealth and honda acuras
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:28:23 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug14.053905.4126@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>jesus,
>all this showing of wealth, someone just bought a honda acura/ toyota cressida
>etc.
>
>As far as i am concerned i never show of wealth it is so degrading. I was
>really upset with my friend usman when he mentioned my fathers textile mills.
>I think people should be friendly with me not because of my fathers textile
>mills but because of my ................
>
>I have never bought a new car, my last car was a 1985 Jaguar XJS a fine car
>but not a new one .....................
>
>sahibzada rafay khan[ when you got it flaunt it]

	I just bought new shoes.
	Joggers, Reeboks, not Reebok Pump, but I'm still proud of them.
	Figured as long as are talking about worldly possesions, I'd
	bring mine in ;-)

						--ali[big spender!]
From: 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:20:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA????????

"LA ILLA HAA ILULLAH".
(may ALLAHA forgive me for any spelling mistake for Kalma)

Since our birth we are listening this "NAARAH" (SLOGAN) by different politcian
in different eras, in different ways to exploite the innocent people of Pakistan
. In fact, this is an opium pill which immediatly takes our simple natured
people into a sweet dream of a WORLD where they just feel that when they will
get awake they will be in some era of "KHALIFA-TUL-MUSLIMEEN" by this magic
wand of this Naarah.  
	But This dream get shattered when very early in the morning they come
to know that the very first exploitation of "DEEN" has been done by those who
talk much about ISLAM. These leaders are always there, though under different
disguises and names to exploite the passions of our naive nation.
	The existence of Pakistan was because of "DOH QOUMEE NAZRIYA" and the
soul of this logic was explained to the muslims of that time that HINDU &
MUSLIMS  had nothing in common so they should be seperated and the other logic
was that to get rid of the shackles of slavery from "BRITISH RAAJ".  This
all was proposed because after the departure of British Raaj there might be a
chance of "HINDU RAAJ" in India.  So, this was not wanted by the muslims, since
this might be an obstacle in the way of ISLAM. The best solution for all these 
problems was "A SEPERATE MUSLIM STATE". 
	 Hence after the partition, when the muslims of newly born Pakistan was
expecting a  fully Islamized State, the polititions started exploitation of the 
Muslims on the name of Islam in different ways by different methodologies. For
example: 
	a) Approximately fourteen hundred millions Muslims were left on the
mercy of Hindu Raaj, while a minority of seven hundered millions(approx) were
enslaved by Pakistani leaders on the pretex of "INDEPENDENCE". In fact, these
selfish leaders did this just to boast up their MEAN EGO, since when they would
have seen "GORA SAHIB" ruling, they used to get jealous to be a "SAHIB" (they
had forgotten their glorious past). So, they satisfied their  instinct of POWER
by ruling  on their own folk.
	b) Since the birth of Pakistan, people have always been anxious for the
implementation of Islamic rules & regulations. They have always been charmed by
the leaders  with different "NAARAHS", but Islam is no where in our near or far
vision.  Actually, these leaders do not want to give much trouble to Islam
because they are internally scared of Islam. They know that the implementation 
of "REAL ISLAM" will grip their own neck in the very first place. (CONTINUED)
 
TARIQ
     
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