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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: On Handshaking in General
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:17:12 GMT

In article 17353@wetware.com, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
>] 
>] Anyways, I was wondering about the handshake.  She shook my hand at
>] the beginning and the ending of the date.  Is this just a cultural
>] thing that Puerto Ricans do, or is it a sign that she just wants to
>] be friends?  I felt like we'd just concluded some sort of business deal,
>] but I do know that some cultures shake hands more often than we 
>] dudes from Southern Indiana do.
>
>1. there is insufficient data to derive a conclusion from,
>that will be 'directly useful' to your specific case. You 
>Might attempt to meet her family and 'usual crowd' to get
>a sense of the Basic SocioCulturalContext. You Might
>also try something Radical Like Direct Questions.

If you shake hands with anybody in my family, you must stare at them in
the eyes so that they can tell you're sincere. It's a custom from the
old country and a sign of respect. Give a good, firm grip, but don't 
cut off circulation to the fingertips.

>2. On the Flip side, I found it rather strange coming to
>the USA that folks here do NOT do formal introductions 
>in conjunction with handshakes. As a General Rule one
>went around the 'group' shaking hands and making introductions
>to the assembled gathering, irregardless of gender.
>
>{Unlike that FrancoItalian Mushy Stuff...}

Too bad Canada's the same. I think there's more of a sense of belonging
when you get your cheeks pinched, your your ribcage squashed and your
face wet-kissed!

>3. Likewise, on departure, one 'shook hands' with the
>gathering.....

A sign that the meeting is at an end...It avoids those silly,
redundant long goodbyes that the more passionate cultures are famous for.

>4. there was a Minor exception in Minnesota, I called the
>'mounting up.' It is the Process of Protracting a conversation
>while one doned the Nth Layer of Protection against the
>30 below that keeps the Riff Raff Out.... At Which point
>contact with the outside world Generally Ceased All Together.

30 below? Stay indoors and light a fire. Then snuggle up tight with
your SO...Even if you say no to Hetero.

>5. Then There was a time, a long time ago, when the 'dap'
>was still in effect, and one could, by means of this 
>complex 'hand gesturing' system resolve the 
>GeoPoliticalAlignmentAndGeneralSocioCulturalMelieu
>by the progression and ordering of elements....

Uh, uh, uh, you got me on that one!

Andreas.


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From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: Ooooooooooh ....
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:22:40 GMT

In article <5450@balrog.ctron.com> lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
>If you're seeking intelligent,
>fun, flirtatious and sometimes randy conversation and perhaps a
>meeting of the minds (and bodies eventually), E-mail me!

	If you even approximated intelligence, you wouldn't be posting a
personal ad in the wrong newsgroup.

						Kayembee
From: bigger@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Marcel Bigger)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Genealogical Software (Patrimonial) 2nd posting
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:00:22 GMT
Followup-To: bigger@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center



Which genealogical software for DOS would actively support PATRIMONIAL
descendent data storage and charts?

PATRIMONIAL meaning that only lines of MALE descendents are traced through
and those of female descendents only until they marry or die.

Furthermore, the spouse's name of a male descendent and of a female
one-generation descendent should not appear on the descendent tree
(but could be recorded in other ways).

An effect of this is that only individuals with the SAME (or an officially
changed) FAMILY NAME appear on the descendent tree beginning with ONE
late descendent.

The Personal Ancestral File software from the LDS Church does not
incorporate these features. What about Roots 3, Brother's Keeper and
other programs?


P.S.: It's not sexism, it's tradition.

Many thanks for your replies.

Marcel W. Bigger
(bigger@sage.cc.purdue.edu)
From: JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Joe Gardner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Recording Place Names
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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The recent discussion about recording place names in political entities
that no longer exist (e.g. the Austro-Hungarian Empire), suggests a
similar problem I've sometimes puzzled over: how do you record events that
took place away from home?

A hundred years ago most acts of passage took place at home. Folks
were born at home, got married at home, and died at home. This is
rarely the case anymore, especially for people in small towns. My
maternal grandmother, for example, lived all her adult life in
Washington C.H., OH. But she died in a hospital in Columbus. To
give her place of death as "Columbus, Franklin Co., OH" is mis-
leading. To give it as "Washington C.H., Fayette Co, OH" is
inaccurate.

Similarly, I was born in Emory University Hospital. But my parents
lived in McDonough & I grew up there. Do I give my place of birth
as "Emory, DeKalb Co., GA" or "McDonough, Henry Co., GA"?

Sometimes different states are involved. My uncle lived in Monti-
cello, FL, but died in nearest hospital, which is over the state
line in Thomasville, GA. Which do I list?

Whudda ya think?

Joe Gardner
jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu
From: AODJR@ASUACVAX.BITNET (Donna **THNKUPW** Reiner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Healy, Cue, Crawley, Bridges help needed
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: Donna **THNKUPW** Reiner <AODJR@ASUACVAX.BITNET>
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A friend would like assistance in finding parents and/or siblings of the
following people:
Wm. Dennis Healy  b. 5/4/1826 in Cork County Ireland.  He came to the US
on the Virginian via Liverpool arriving in NYC May 15, 1846
He married Jane Rebekha Cue in the US.  She came to the US in c. 1844 and
was born in Cork COunty 7/3/1825.
James L. Crawley b. 1816 or 1817 in England.  Married Elizabeth Friday Bridges
July 26, 1839 in England.  She was born 2/24/1818 in Cambridgeshire, Eng.
They came to the US in the 1840s and settled in OHIO.
since my friend is not on e-mail, please reply to me.  Thanks.
 Donna Reiner
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:01:18 -0400
Reply-To:     "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:      REUNION question

Hi,

  I have my genealogy information in REUNION software on my Mac, and
the stack is growing fast, too fast. I know that REUNION will allow me
to merge stacks, but will it allow me link separate stacks, so that I can
have one stack for my mother's side of the family and one stack for my
father's side. Then I somehow define the link between the stacks so that I
can still produce my own ancestor chart?

  It used to be a problem for me to even USE REUNION, without running out
of memory. I've since upgraded my machine to 17 meg of memory, so no problem
for now, but I don't think I want this thing to just keep growing as one big
stack.

  Any suggestions?

        Jennifer R. Amon                BAMON@OCVAXC.BITNET
        Amherst, Ohio                   bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu

********************************************************************************
RESEARCHING:
  AMON     (PA/Switz.)          DODD        (PA)                BROWN    (NJ)
  FARVER   (PA)                 FREEMAN     (England)           INSLEY   (NJ)
  HEASLEY  (PA)                 HAYES       (DE)                RIGGS    (NJ)
  FOULK    (PA)                 HONEY       (DE)                ROY      (NJ)
  BUCHANAN (PA, Scot.)          CAPLAN      (Lith.)             REIMER   (NJ)
  STRIGHT  (PA)                 FRIEDLANDER (Lith.)             STEVENS  (CT)
  RUSSELL  (PA)                 CARROLL     (PA)                BOVARD
********************************************************************************
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Fred's History Lessons
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:24:11 GMT

mlayfield@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marjorie Ann Layfield) writes:

>Fred:  Keep up the good work!  I'm enjoying your lessons too!  Know
>anything about the Mecklenburg area of Germany in the mid- to
>late-1800s?

I'm into final packing and cleaning up my mail and news. Not sure if I'll 
remember this request but we'll see. You might remind me some time in 
November.

Bye for now and wish me luck.

fred
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
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From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: BK was 5.1...
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:57:48 GMT

The version of Brother's Keeper I was referring to in that last post is 5.1...
-- 
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Compaq Computer Corporation             uucp: ..!uunet!max@compaq.com
P.O. Box 692000 - M050701               phone: (713) 378-8366
Houston, Texas  77269-2000              fax:   (713) 374-7305
"The views expressed here are my own, and not those of my employer."
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: rboisver@csar.encore.com (Bob Boisvert)
Subject: Correspondence With Ontario
Summary: How do you enclose a SASE when writing to Ontario
Keywords: Mail, Canada
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:04:10 GMT

OK.  I know we've gone over this before.  One more time please.  When writing
to Ontario, Canada what method should you use to ensure the people at the
other end are not stuck having to pay to send you a reply.  

I recently located the Township/County in Ontario that two of my ancestors
came from.  Following research methods I learned when doing research in the
U.S. I now need to contact the county offices for land records/probate records.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.


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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Two Marriage Ceremonies??
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:32:38 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Oct16.182843.2184@kodak.kodak.com> dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett) writes:
>In some gedcom data I have, the following occurs:
>
>Assuming these are 2 people and not 4, would it be common for someone
>back then to be married twice (or perhaps have it recorded in two
>separate towns?)  

Don't know about history....

But my wife and got married twice: On May 31 in Kensington, London
in a civil ceremony and then on June 3 outside Paris in a church...

The civil registration in France is arduous...

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Subject: How to get birth certificate in Finland.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:41:43 GMT

Got this from the Boston Globe 14Oct92. Thought it might be
useful to someone. (Copied verbatim without permission from 
the "Ask the Globe" section.

Q. How can I get a copy of a birth certificate in Finland? P.L., Quincy

A. According to the International Vital Records Handbook, 90 percent
   of Finland's vital records are registered by the Lutheran Church. 
   Non-Lutherans have been allowed to register with their respective
   churches or the government since 1917. If you know the town in 
   which the person lived, send your request to: Pastor, Lutheran
   Church, (Town), Finland; or District Registrar, (Town), Finland.
   If you don't know the name of the town, write to: Population
   Registration Center, PL 7, SF-00521 Helsinki, Finland. All records
   from local churches and registrars are forwarded to the center, the 
   handbook says.
-- 
Kevin S. Green / lucifer@world.std.com / {xylogics;uunet}!world!lucifer
               /America Online: Gargoth
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: unix unzip
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:13:00 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <9210161358.AA13415@mgh_master.mgh.com> Don Logan <dlogan@MGH.COM> writes:
>
>  I'm using Unix unzip. Anyone remember where I got it? unzip.tar.Z ?

My copy is unzip50.tar

TOM

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From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire records
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

Some of my ancestors are also from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but they lived
in the area that is now Poland. Does anyone know if the Polish Embassy will do
the same type of search that Pat mentioned about Czechoslovakia?

-- 

 Researching:
 -----------
    CAHOON, CAMPBELL, CHELRK, DAVIDSON, DILLON, DOUGHTY, ENDSLEY, FISHER,
    FOHRER, GOSZKOWSKI, HARGER, HENDERSON, HOLMES, HUGGINS, JACKE, KAWA,
    LEONARD, LOWDER, PHILLIPS, PIEKLO, SNODGRASS, STERNICK, STONE, WAGNER,
    WASNIOWSKI, WEAVER, YOCKEY



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Paul J. Weaver                 | "It is well that war is so terrible, or men
pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com  |  should grow too fond of it"
-------------------------------|       General R. E. Lee
I speak only for myself        |       Battle of Fredricksburg, VA  Dec. 1862
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Swiss problem
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:20:59 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <718719815.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> Lynn.Olivier@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Lynn Olivier) writes:
>BG>Reply-To:     "(Bill Green)" <green@plains.nodak.edu>

>BG>I've run into a problem and wonder if anyone has any suggestions.

>BG>  The blanks for parents
>BG>on his death certificate were blank, and I can't find a town or canton
>BG>listed anywhere.  Any suggestions on further research?

>BG> * Origin: Dark Knight's Table - Usenet Gate: tdkt.kksys.com (1:282/31.0)

>Tracing Your Swiss Ancestry by Maralyn A Wellauer
>Handy Guide to Swiss Genealogical Records by Jared H Suess


Melvyl suggests:

20.
Author: Schweizerische Landesbibliothek.
Title:  Die Schweiz und die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika; Beziehungen
der Schweiz zu den Vereinigten Staaten, die schweizerische
Auswanderung: Bibliographie. Switzerland and the United States
of America; relations of Switzerland with the United States,
Swiss emigration: bibliography. [Redaktion: Regis de Courten
und Wanda Rokicka]. Bern, 1964.
Description:    58 p. 29 cm.

Notes:  At head of title: Schweizerische Landesbibliothek.
Bibliographische Auskunftsstelle.

Subjects:       Swiss -- United States -- Bibliography.
United States -- Relations -- Switzerland -- Bibliography.
Switzerland -- Relations  United States -- Bibliography.


Other entries: Courten, Regis de, ed.

Call numbers:   SRLF    D 0000150078 Type EXP SRLF for loan details.


It might help to be multi-lingual, but it isn't long.

TOm
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:14:26 PDT
Reply-To:     "Wendy S. Reynolds" <wendysue@HOLONET.NET>
From:         "Wendy S. Reynolds" <wendysue@HOLONET.NET>
Subject:      Re: Looking for info on Ted Abernathy
Comments: To: cba@ews002b.atl.hp.com
Comments: cc: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Re: Braves baseball player

It's my understanding that the Baseball Hall of Fame Archives (located in
Cooperstown, NY) has a wealth of information about anyone who ever played
Major League Baseball in the US/Canada.

Try contacting them.  They may even have a current address.

Wendy
wendysue@holonet.net
From: karen@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Karen Helt)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:32:23 GMT
Subject: Tree program for HP-GL plotters?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.roots

Does anyone know of a program that will take a GEDCOMM file and draw a
family tree (I would like both ancestral and descendent trees) on a HP-GL
plotter?  I have a large (D-Size) HP plotter connected to my PC.  I have my
data in PAF.  The plotter would be great for making wall-size charts if 
I had a program to do so.  A DOS program would be best, but if the source
code is provided, I could port it.  Assuming I can't find a program already
written, would anyone else be interested in such a program if I write one?

Karen Helt
karen@hpisla.lvld.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: mhedman@aton.abo.fi (M}rten Hedman INF)
Subject: Re: Help with BK5
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:53:10 GMT

In article <9210071621.AA04086@bitsy.cooper.edu> "(Anthony_Falcone-)" <falcon@BITSY.COOPER.EDU> writes:


   Dear ROOTS-L members,

   (stuff deleted)

   For example,BK5 does a great job at showing
   decendants & ancestors as long as there is a direct line of father, gfather,
   ggfather etc.. but I would also like to see how my grandmother's side of the
   family falls into place next to me... ultimately, I would like to see
   every person in my BK5 files on one printout... to get the BIG picture of
   my family.

I have been using FHS (Family History System), which can print a
"relative report" ie a report with every relative to a chosen
individual within a generation limit, that can be chosen between 1 and
99 generations upwards and downwards. I don't know if there is
software for converting data from BK5 to FHS available

Due to various reasons I have considered to start using BK5 instead of
FHS. On reason for hesitating to change system is the above mentioned
report, which seems to be unavailable in BK5. I'm also concerned about
getting all my data converted to BK5-format. One database contains
about 2600 persons in 25 generations, with lots of text comments, and
I don't want to have to enter it all again. If anyone knows that the
conversion software works well, please let me know.

The main reason for changing from FHS to BK5 is that all children in
FHS are listed in birth order. If I don't know the birthdate, and
enter 99.99.9999 to express this, this child is automatically listed
last, even if it is the firtsborn. The same goes for all dates, as
marriages dates etc.

Other reasons are the poor text handling facilities for long comments
etc. in FHS, and the possibility in BK5 to change the language in the
reports. 


	Marten Hedman
	mhedman@abo.fi
From: hyde@bucknell.edu (Dr. Daniel C. Hyde)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Surname GORDUS
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:22:46 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.cs.bucknell.edu

My wife has an ancestor named Almira GORDUS.  We are having trouble finding anyone by the surname GORDUS.

Almira Gordus married James McManus and they both lived in Chicago, Illinois in the 1850s.  The spelling of Almira Gordus is from the marriage certificate of their daugther, Margaret Elizabeth McManus (born 1869).  We have seen the marriage certificate and the name of Gordus is easy to read.

We think Almira Gordus was Welsh.  Has anyone heard of GORDUS as a surname?
Or have any suggestions on alternative spellings?

Thanks.

     Dan

---------------------
Dr. Daniel C. Hyde
Dept of Computer Science
Bucknell University
Lewisburg, PA 17837
717-524-1281/1394
hyde@bucknell.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:27:57 CDT
Reply-To:     U59611@UICVM.BITNET
From:         U59611@UICVM.BITNET
Subject:      Austro-Hungarian Empire records

       My grandfather, John Paul Richter, and grandmother, Mary Magdalena
Zalmenek, came from the village of Velka, Moravia, in what is now
Czechoslovakia.  However, they were born and raised in what was then
the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.  Where are the records of that deceased
bureacracy now ?
From: MDMASS01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Michael D. Massey)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: railroads
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:30:19 GMT
Reply-To: "Michael D. Massey" <MDMASS01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
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Information Processor, Surgery
Phone: 588-5673

Speaking of railroads...

My grandfather was very much connected to the railroads in the decade before
and the years immediately WWI. According to the stories, he worked for the
railroad and/or hoboed, and was supposedly caught in Pocatello Idaho once. He
never told much about this time to his children.

Are there records available that might help determine his whereabouts between
1908 and 1920? He was from Somerset KY (Southern RR?), but travelled widely in
the west (Idaho, California, Iowa, Illinois, etc.)

With regards,
Michael
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