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From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: flat engines
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:32:58 GMT

In article <johnson.718619043@wrs.com>, johnson@wrs.com (David Johnson) writes:
|> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <3881@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
|> >|> In article <Oct06.055649.20215@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
|> >|> >disappear.  Horizontally opposed engines are the best kind to have, whether
|> >|> >they number 2 cylinders, 4, 6 or even 12; but they are very expensive.."
|> >|> 
|> >|> 	Why?
|> 
|> >        Why?
|> 
|> They're not expensive themselves per se, It's just that no auto manufacturers
|> are willing to sacrifice the component layout of a chassis so that an 
|> opposed cyl. engine could be used...except quality sports car makers like
|> Porsche and once upon a time-Ferrari.  Oh! I almost forgot...Subaru, Chevy  and 
|> Volkswagen........***NOT***!.
   ^^^^^^^^^^

Careful Dave, you're treading on hallowed ground here......

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.000924.18384@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 10290@schbbs.mot.com, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
writes:

>>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>>>>  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |
>>>
>
>>Yeah I've driven a Ford lately.  My company car is a Ford Taurus wagon.
>>I should call it a "Clit-Taurus" 'cause I've got to fiddle with the damn
>>thing to make it run!  It's a '92 and at 3000 miles I drove it to the shop
>>to fix the broken lower engine mounts.  At 4700 miles it was TOWED to another
>>shop to fix the snapped CV joint and while fixing that the shop determined
>>that the alternator was going belly-up and replaced that.  Then at 6000 miles
>>the hardware holding the engine mounts vibrated loose and it was back to the
>>shop for that heap! :-(  It's seen almost as many miles verticaly as it has
>>horizontaly!
>>
>>I should just stick with my PERSONAL car.  A fine running, no problem,
>>1987 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO SS AEROCOUPE with 47,000+ on the road.  It's only
>>vertical trips being for routine maintenance (as opposed to a Ford where you
>>pull into a gas station and say "Fill it with oil and check the gas!" :-) )
>>
>>GM - Great Machines!
>>CHEVROLET - Cruising Highways at Extreme Velocity, Runs Only Low Elapsed Time
s!

>I agree with you. Lemonade. The only vertical miles on my '87 Firebird Formula
>were put on it for oil changes, worn out tires and replacing the lube in the
>tranny and rear end. Routine maintainance. 75 k miles. Next time your company
>insists on supplying you with ford wheels, just say no. Get them to order you
>a Camaro.
>
>BTW, I've owned three Montes. My favorite was the '70 350 two barrel with
>a reworked powerglide. I put headers and a low restriction dual exhaust
>on 'er. That was one of the best sounding engines I ever heard. It was a
>real great winter car...
>
>May the Torque be with you,
>Just say NO! to front wheel drive.

Hello,

Are you guys counting the vertical and transverse miles added to your cars
from the dashboard rattles and other jiggles when you ride over leaves on
the road?

I think not!  Ha!

Flame on!

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: damong@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:44:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct7.111844.16441@genrad.com> rep@genrad.com (Pete Peterson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.122516.19615@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep28.162231.13630@engage.pko.dec.com> g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko) writes:
> >
> >>Does this mean if you are given a car as a gift you have to pay some
> >>sort of sales tax on it?  I was given a car and had quite an argument
> >>convincing my local DMV that it was given to me as a gift as opposed to
> >>me purchasing it when I tried to register it.
> >
> >It gets better.  Apparantly, the gift thing only works between parents
> > and  their children i.e., between siblings -brothers, whatever, won't be legal.
> 
> Apparently that depends on your particular state/province.  Even the
>infamous Commonwealth of Taxachusetts didn't charge me sales tax on the car
>I bought from my sister who was living in Missouri at the time.  They
>didn't even require any proof that she was my sister; she's married and has
>a different last name from mine.
>

Well, as a resident of Taxachusetts myself, I became disgusted with
the costs of registering and insuring my '74 Fiat. When it came time to
titile it and get plates, I presented the registry agent with a bill
of sale at a bogus price. ($50) The guy I bought my car from was 
sympathetic, but he also drew up a real bill of sale. By giving her 
the bogus one, I was only taxed on the $50. It can save quite a bit.

Damon
damong@wpi.wpi.edu
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Im going to be sick...
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:02:01 GMT
Organization: SSESCO

In article <DP00RB4w164w@cellar.org>, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
|> In (todays) USA today (Oct, 7th) on page 3A, there is a small article, "No 
|> Foreign Cars".
|> 
|> Drivers of foreign-made cars in the Flint. Mich., beware.  Begeining Monday 
|> only US made cars will be allowed in the City Hall Basement garage.  Flint 
|> Mayor Woodrow Stanley said he issued the order to send a message to buy 
|> American.  And he says he might designate other city lots for US only cars.  
|> General Motors is the city's largest employer with 50,000 local workers, 
|> whose taxes, Satnley says, help pay city workers' salaries.
|> 
|> (reprinted without perm.  All typos-gram errors be mine.)
|> 
|> As I said... I feel sick.. is THIS what it has come to?  How long before I 
|> get beat up for driving my VW to work?  Or my mother, grandmother, and 
|> friends who *all* drive "Non US Made cars"?  This is really sick, and has 
|> gone too far.  The American people are NOT to blame for lacking US auto 
|> sales, but rather the US Automakers, who *still* refuse to get the picture of 
|> what a *good* car is.
|> 
|>                                                       //Dan Reed

I really find this hard to believe (not calling you a liar).  If this is
true, it can't last.  It violates some basic civic (no pun intended) rights.

BTW: I believe US autmakers have gotten the picture.   We just need to
     get people to realise it (and which ones).
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:26:04 GMT

In article 13393@texsun.Central.Sun.COM, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>
>>Even better winter cars! They took longer to rust away with the salt because
>>there was more car:=\ IMHO the best is to have a really heavy car on the white
>>stuff. I used to drive Monte Carlos before they got small and toylike.
>
>On the other hand, there's something to be said for small, light cars in the
>snow.  Best 2WD snow car I ever had was a 77 Corolla, when they were still RWD.
>It "floated" over the snow, without sinking in and having to plow through it,
>unlike my old 60s vintage chevies.
>
>	Dave
>


How was your control? I'd rather plow through snow instead of floating
over it. I say this because the worst winter car I drove was a light RWD 
machine: Chevette.

Andy.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:35:33 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extoic sightings

In your post you mention seeing a "Mercedes Benz 750SL" ... I never heard of
 such a model....750???  Is this a special modified model??
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:01:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Paint on Chrysler's LH(Last Hope) models
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>         I read that the piston problem was traced to an assembly error
> in the new engine.  What you did not note is that it affected about
> 1500 cars, none of which was in customer hands yet.

The article was a little confusing on that point. They mentioned that the
original recall that only involved 500 cars was not affecting customers
since none of these cars were out in customers hand. They didn't say
anything about who was using the cars with the piston problem.
What is the status of the LH anyway ? Are they out to dealers yet
or are they still in the testing stage ?

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Ticket for running stop sign
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:58:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.185922.11464@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:
>From article <1992Oct5.155340.29843@photon.com>, by jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman):
>> [On trying to defeat rolling (aka California) stop ticket by arguing
>>  that no public benefit is secured by full stop, since failure to
>>  yield also covers the case].
>>
>> I would have concluded by comparing the rolling stop with the right turn
>> on red, asking the judge to declare the rolling stop law unconstitutional
>> and making the rolling stop the turn on red of the 90's.
>The judge might argue: If the state had wanted you to yield only, it
>would have put up a yield sign rather than a stop sign.  Since stop
>signs are ubiquitous, there must be some reason for them.  What is 
>the reason?  Whereupon some traffic expert (not me) will tell him,
>and he will be convinced.

i bet you won't even get that far.  1) we're talking traffic court.  the judge
doesn't really care.  2) a law will be upheld if it is rationally related
to a legitimate governmental purpose.

under rational basis, if the judge can think of any rational reason for
the law, he's gonna uphold it.  he doesn't have to get an expert to
tell him.  if anything, he might ask the prosecutor.  and you can bet
he'll accept any answer he gets.  "Your Honor, we require full stops at
stop signs because we want to keep the brake pad manufacturers in business."
i'm willing to bet that the judge will just say "it's a rational law" and
that will be the end of it.
-teddy
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best type of Oil? (Re: Engine additives)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:05:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:
>In article <Bvu4Dw.83v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sabg2063@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A. Butzin) writes:
>>djm48887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel J. Moisson) writes:
>>
>>>    I have been seeing many more engine additives other than 
>>>Slick 50 now a days.  I was wondering if anyone has heard which one
>>>is really the best.  I just saw some add on TV about DuraLube that
>>>looked very convincing.  I think I have seen one from STP too?
>>>Help!!  I need advice before I throw $25 in 1 quart of something!
>>
>>Here's some advice for all you people who think you need Slick 50,
>>DuraLube, et al.  Change you oil and filter every 3000 miles, more
>>in the winter if you live in the north, use a quality oil and filter,
>>and forget the $25 can of garbage.
>
>So what is the best type of oil and filter.  Mobil?
>Is natural better than synthetic?  When would someone use synthetic over
>natural?
>What type of oil is best for high performance engines?
>
>I know this has been rehashed several times before but I'd like some 
>opinions.
>
>-- 

I have a 1980 AMC Eagle that has over 200,000 miles on it. I changed oil
frequently ( every 2-3000 miles ) and used whatever oil was on sale when 
I needed it. I even used house brands sometimes. Always changed oil filter
also. and If I needed a quart, just dropped in whatever was a good deal at 
the self-service gas station. I almost forgot - I used the dreaded 10w-40
grade - _always_ .

-- Dan

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Engine additives....which is best? Slick 50,...
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:36:46 GMT

In article <vincent-111092163322@tmf2mac23.berkeley.edu> vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee) writes:
> I don't think that's a fair statement. Slick 50 is supposed to better for
>the car because it lubes the car without having to bring up the oil from
>the pan. Slick 50 automatically lubes the vital metal components for the
>car already. Changing the oil is good yea but it doesn't help on start ups
>like slick 50 or Gunk does.

if you're serious, get a copy of the pegasus racing supplies cataloge.
turn to the pages for oil fittings and accessories.  they have these
really nifty gadgets in there called accusumps and prelubers.  reliable,
proven devices that put oil in your motor before you crank the ignition.
much to be prefered, in my book, to oil additives of questionable nature
like tufoil and slick 50.

the accusump is nice because it also will maintain oil pressure in long
corners where the oil may slosh away from the pickup, but you're not
likely to encounter these conditions on the street.

cheers,
  richard
   also a concerned auto enthusiast
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Motorola
Date: 10 Oct 1992 16:34:57 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>>  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |
>
>I've seen the new FORD LATELY advertised for a number of years. Why have't
>I seen any of them on the road?

That's easy !!  They make it home at night !!!  :o)

>>  |   " This is FORD country ...                                        |
>>  |               on a quiet night, you can hear a Chevy rust !! "      |
>
>As long as your ford is really far away. Found On Road Dead, Fix Or Repair
>Daily, Fired Out Road Devil, etc...

    GM -->  Get Mechanic, General Maintenance, etc...
>
>Andy.
>
>I'd still rather push a Pontiac than ride in a Mercury!!
>
          Coincedentally(sp.) , so would I.  IMHO Mercury is a very poor
Ford imitator.  Ford doesn't wan't to have one of it's sub-companies
producing as-good-as, or better, cars than the parent company.

Trevor
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  |         Acadia University                                           |
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-----------------------------Reply------------------------------------
Yeah I've driven a Ford lately.  My company car is a Ford Taurus wagon.
I should call it a "Clit-Taurus" 'cause I've got to fiddle with the damn
thing to make it run!  It's a '92 and at 3000 miles I drove it to the shop
to fix the broken lower engine mounts.  At 4700 miles it was TOWED to another
shop to fix the snapped CV joint and while fixing that the shop determined
that the alternator was going belly-up and replaced that.  Then at 6000 miles
the hardware holding the engine mounts vibrated loose and it was back to the
shop for that heap! :-(  It's seen almost as many miles verticaly as it has
horizontaly!

I should just stick with my PERSONAL car.  A fine running, no problem,
1987 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO SS AEROCOUPE with 47,000+ on the road.  It's only
vertical trips being for routine maintenance (as opposed to a Ford where you
pull into a gas station and say "Fill it with oil and check the gas!" :-) )

GM - Great Machines!
CHEVROLET - Cruising Highways at Extreme Velocity, Runs Only Low Elapsed Times!

Craig Witkowski,  CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
KA2IBV
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Subject: My radiator?
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:33:53 GMT

I am worried about the radiator in my 1983 Nissan Sentra.

What are the warning signs that I as a driver should look for to know that
my radiator's time has come?

Thanks in advance.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:31:24 MDT
From: earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on termin



>
>It does conduct, as least, it does if not spread on TOO thick.  The mechanic
>did the battery change in my driveway (YES, I can do a battery change, but I
>couldn't drive the car to the shop, and I didn't have a socket deep enough 
>to get the battery out of it's hold-downs), and I TOOK the vasolene to him.
>He asked for it by name, and it worked.....  'nuf said.
>
>- Dave Bonds 
>- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
>---
> . KingQWK 2.00 .6 # 145 . AAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse
>                    


This is the silliest discussion I have ever seen on the net!

Petroleum jelly doesn't need to be a conductor!  If your battery cables are
installed correctly, then you have metal on metal contact that squeezes
the jelly out! ALL THE JELLY DOES IS PREVENT CORROSION BY COATING AREAS
THAT ARE NOT IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH OTHER METALS!!

If you believe that jelly conducts, fine.  It doesn't, but you
can belive anything you want.  If you have installed your battery so that
there is a layer of jelly between the cable head and the terminal on
the battery your problem will NOT be non-conduction...it'll be battery
cables falling of the battery!

>                                            'nuff said.


Dave Early
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: Chevy Kicks Fords Ass Again!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  8 Oct 1992 14:44 EST  

In article <Bvt1xw.CCL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes...
> 
>In article <891078p.15.718475575@ace.acadiau.ca> 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins) writes:
>>In article <1at7qsINNf8q@introl.introl.com> pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz) writes:
>>
>>>
>The problem with "buyer's guides" is that they're not oriented towards the
>type of driver who would purchase a Mustang or Camaro. They're oriented
>towards the bread and butter station wagon crowd, the yuppie
>econobox-driving crowd, the "mainstream" car buyer. Enthusiast drivers
>need recommendations from other enthusiasts, not bean counters who
>would choose a boring straight-line interstate over a twisty, curvy back
>road.
> 
>>The new Firebirds do look nice, but I would still rather get a Mustang !
> 
>A man after my own heart! ;-)
> 
>Mustang is still the biggest bang for the buck in the ponycar market.
> 
Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with either the Camaro or 
Stang in any of their V8 configs.  I almost bought a convertible GT, but 
opted for the IROC because of the discount I received (mom works for GM).
I never considered the Bird because, for some reason, the Pontiac 
equivalent of a Chevy (at least for the Camaro and Firebirds) has less bhp, 
torque,....


Greg
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From: yhmok@luke.mti.sgi.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese Names  Was Re: Canadian names for U.S. Cars
Date: 10 Oct 1992 00:45:24 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: luke.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct9.165102@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|> 
|>  When I was stationed in Japan in 1977, I found that:
|> 
|>     Datsun 240,260,280 z's were called "Fairlady".

	Nissan 3000ZX is still called Fairlady Z in Japan
|> 
|>     Datsun wasn't "Datsun" they were "Nissan".
|> 
|>     BTW  Nissan means - masculine, brother, boy
|>          Nassan means - feminine, sister, girl

	Nissan (The car maker) means 'made in Japan' or 'Japanese made'
and I'm not joking.

	Shark at SGI
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: EGR valve:  what is it?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:10:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <12693@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:
>My mechanic suggests that my EGR valve on my '82 Chevy 6.2L
>diesel truck may be bad.  It runs fine when cold, then starts
>to loose power.  If I remove the air filter it runs better for
>a while longer.  There seems to be a lot of smoke in the intake
>(the center of the air filter) after I stop the engine.
>
>What does the EGR do?  Is there a way to by-pass it or otherwise
>test it?  I thought I'd just buy a new one and put it on but at
>$152 for the part, I think I'd rather know for sure first.
>


Yeah. EGR stands for Exhaust Gas Circulation. What that valve does is 
pretty simple. At part throttle to near full throttle manifold pressures
(i.e. when the gas pedal is not all the way up or all the way down), the
valve opens and lets a small amount of exhaust gas into the intake manifold.
When this happens, it is of course drawn into the cylinders during the intake
process. This has the effect of lowering the peak combustion temperature
during the combustion process. This in turn lowers the amount of nitrous
oxides produced by the engine. So, it is a pollution control device.

When an EGR valve no longer seals completely at idle, exhaust gas
will enter the intake manifold, and this will cause the engine to
run roughly. This also might explain the smoke in your intake; it 
could be exhaust gas that is getting into the intake in too great
of quantities. If it is operating erratically, this would cause a power
loss at almost all throttle positions. 

So I would look into replacing it, assuming that it is the problem.
Youi might just want to try taking the old one off and cleaning it, 
however. Sometimes the pintle/needle (valve that lets exhaust gas into
intake) gets dirty, and the valve does not seal like it should at idle.
Anyway, a Haynes/Chiltons/shop manual for your car will tell you 
exactly where the valve is and how to remove, clean, test, or replace it.

Hope it helps....


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