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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 23:53:28 EDT
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine Casting
 <1992Jul30.074226.24482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
 <1992Jul30.074459.24672@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

In article <1992Jul30.074459.24672@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) says:
>
>Has anyone heard of finalized DSN casting?  I don't mean rumors, I mean the
>real thing.  Filming should start soon so I figure that casting should be
>about done-- Help with truth...
>

Well we do know that Michelle Forbes, Colm Meany, and Rosalind Chao will be
transfered over to DSN, that's much for certain.  As for the others, those
identities are kept secret.  There wasn't any mentioned other than those three
already crossing over to the new spinoff.  Check out the latest DOUBLE issue of
CinemaFantastique Magazine that has Picard, Data, and Spock(background) on the
cover
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine Casting
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:11:50 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <92227.235328WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
|> In article <1992Jul30.074459.24672@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
|> (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) says:
|> >
|> >Has anyone heard of finalized DSN casting?  I don't mean rumors, I mean the
|> >real thing.  Filming should start soon so I figure that casting should be
|> >about done-- Help with truth...
|> >
|> 
|> Well we do know that Michelle Forbes, Colm Meany, and Rosalind Chao will be
|> transfered over to DSN, that's much for certain.  As for the others, those
|> identities are kept secret.  There wasn't any mentioned other than those three
|> already crossing over to the new spinoff.  Check out the latest DOUBLE issue of
|> CinemaFantastique Magazine that has Picard, Data, and Spock(background) on the
|> cover

If Sirtis is casted in DS9 as well it would have all of my undesired TNG
characters/actors.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com










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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Deep Space Nine Casting
Organization: Clark University
Date: 15 AUG 92 15:27:47 GMT

In a previous article, <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> wrote:
>In article <1992Jul30.074459.24672@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
>(JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) says:
>>
>>Has anyone heard of finalized DSN casting?  I don't mean rumors, I mean the
>>real thing.  Filming should start soon so I figure that casting should be
>>about done-- Help with truth...
>>
> 
>Well we do know that Michelle Forbes, Colm Meany, and Rosalind Chao will be
>transfered over to DSN, that's much for certain.  As for the others, those
>identities are kept secret.  There wasn't any mentioned other than those three
>already crossing over to the new spinoff.  Check out the latest DOUBLE issue of
>CinemaFantastique Magazine that has Picard, Data, and Spock(background) on the
>cover

According to all the recent conventions, Michelle Forbes will not be doing 
DS9.  It was offered, but she declined, saying she wants to do movies.  Meany 
and Chao have signed up.  Other than that, if filming is supposedly starting 
on August 24th, we -should- hear something soon!  About identities being kept 
secret - I doubt it; I'm sure they just aren't done casting yet.  TNG casting 
was announced (in a big way) months in advance.  By January I'm sure we'll 
know the favorite color of the most obscure characters.

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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:36:23 GMT

But GHM never looked as good as Shelby!

Last time I saw her in person was 1989 - her fondest wish was to ride in the
Shuttle. But no one in the Navy nor NASA would take the responsibility 
altho she was willing to sign any and all waivers. I think she would have 
been pleased to expire on a shuttle mission rather than at home from 
complications of old age. It would have been a fitting end to a truly
magnificent career. She was the first in many areas - I would like to think
she would have been very happy to be orbiting the earth (or moon) in a 
photon torpedo canister with the US Flag and Navy flag. 

Am I getting maudlin?
 


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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: USA Article: Scotty
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:42:30 GMT

In article <EeXT_6i00VAtJBQWZK@andrew.cmu.edu> Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     The point isn't really whether one method of bringing Scotty back is more
>plausible than another, though. The point is that in using the molecular
>suspension idea, they are totally throwing away their own guidelines as set
>forth in the TNG Technical Manual (I quoted the text in my first post which
>states transport subjects may be held in transit for only 420 seconds before
>pattern degradation occurs). [...]

Don't take the STTNG Technical Manual as total gospel.  It, like everything
else are GUIDELINES.  Rick and Mike did put together a set of rules
to try to make the Trek universe more consistent, but a writer can
override them for dramatic effect...especially if Rick Berman says
it's OK... :-)

Yes, the Technical Manual is canon, but this incident pretty much follows
my personal definition of Star Trek canon:
    "This is the way it is.......until we change our mind...."

The writers always have the last word...

(BTW, I agree: the "Scotty frozen in transporter" idea *sounds* stupid,
      but this IS USA Today, after all... :-))

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From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:53:22 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <6253@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.135211.13897@ctr.columbia.edu>  
>Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU (Charles Laine) writes:
>
>> However, I think the impact of leaving behind a phaser and communicator
>> is far greater than leaving behind transparent aluminum.  First of all,
>> Scotty did not actually give Plexicor the transparent aluminum.  He gave
>> them a formula... a blueprint from which to follow.
>
>Your theory is totally absurd.  First of all, having the formula to build
>...
>Even the smallest of actions, such as going back in time and removing a 
>leaf from a tree, or stepping on an ant, will have profound effects for 
>the future.  Think about it.  Like in Back to the Future, Marty's actions
>judson@watserv.ucr.edu

I thought Plesicor was on the "verge" of the discovery of transparent
aluminum anyway.  And who's to say stepping on an ant, de-leafing a tree,
or blowing up a shopping center is going to have any real effect 
on the future?  So you wipe out a shopping center and 20 mins. later
a comet wipes out the town - no net effect.

Just because someone travels back in time and does something (regardless
of the event) doesn't mean there will be a major change in the future.



douge@antares.tymnet.com      
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From: prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Re: spoilers-- enough  Posting again
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:22:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.210802.9036@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.194757.24416@news.unomaha.edu> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>OK, this is last try I am going to attempt.  If this is readable, this
>>is try #3.  My last two postings didn't work.  As I have said twice before,
>>Enough is enough about ripping on Jonathen Sheir (though he is an idiot
>>for not putting *spoiler* in the title).  I am pretty PO'd myself, but I
>>say lets all wait and see.  If Geordi does die, we can rip on him some
>>more, if not, then we are no worse for wear.  He made a mistake, and he 
>>knows it, but let's wait and see.  I hope this gets posted.  Third times
>>a charm.  Have a nice day =)!!
>>					Jeffrey Jo
>>
>No, Jeffrey, enough is not enough.  
>I'm taking the opportunity to flame Mister Jonathan Sheir again for
>this, even if it is a little flame-trap he set for us all.
>If it is a trick, then he should be flamed anyway for deceiving us all.l
>
>
>I HATE YOU MR SHEIR
>
>
   Get a grip, dudes. It was a lame attempt to play a joke. Thats it - 
quit the equally lame feedbacks. Enuff waste of bandwidth.
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Lets get back to reality
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:27:12 GMT

Fake spoilers are fun, but let's all just get back to reality.  If you
like face spoilers so much, create a new group.  It's all just a waste of
time. :+)

	Anyhow, back to the reason I'm posting.  Did anyone notice that
in STVI:TUC that someone was wearing a VISOR?  The scene when the entire
ship was looking for uniforms with Klingong blood, and some guy walks in
with a metal-detector-looking device?  Is that part of the device, or was
it a VISOR?

-- 
|Jeffrey S. Jo                  |		U.S.S. Enterprise              |
|Computer Operations		| Galaxy Class - Starfleet Registry NCC-1701-D |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha|        Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards, Mars     |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu        |             Launched Stardate 40759.5        |
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Worf beats up a human!
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:19:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <6066@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
)come on, everybody play along!
)just make up a goofy idea for the new season (the more ludicrous, the better)
)and forget about those silly spoiler warnings!
)loads of fun!
-- 
"It is still an unending source of surprise for me to see how a few
scribbles on a blackboard or on a sheet of paper could change the
course of human affairs."   -- Stanislaw Ulam
Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech  cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
From: royle@highland.manassas.ibm.com (Matthew Royle x4553 highland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Odan, Tychon's Rift, Riker
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:56:08 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research


   Hey there people, I just watched TNG episode, "The Host" last night, and
through watching it have gained a new respect for Johnathan (sp?) Frakes.  He
did an EXCELLENT job in portraying the new "Odan", he lost all of his
Riker'isms and just did a great job. IMHO.  
  Also, one thing I noticed in the episode, when the original Odan stops into
Picards ready room, and asks a couple questions about 'Dr. Beverly', Picard
is viewing (on his little view screen) a Tychon's Rift!!  The same picture
from the episode where they were all going crazy due to lack of dreaming.
 (sorry, my episode knowledge isnt that great) (not sure if tychon is 
spelled correctly either)  Anyway, Did anyone else notice this?

   -Matthew Royle
     royle@manvmd1.vnet.ibm.com
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Subject: Season Premiere: Worf finally beats up someone
From: mjm4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael J. McNaughty)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:13:34 GMT
Reply-To: mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations



In article <66527@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <6066@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes
:
>)come on, everybody play along!
>)just make up a goofy idea for the new season (the more ludicrous)...

Next time on Star Trek, the Next Generation....

Lt. Worf discovers he's nothing but a wuss
<picture of Worf in tears on the holodeck as he loses to a hologram
of Aunt May>

So he decides he's had enough of his wimpy image...
<shows Worf grabbing one of those nasty Klingon bladed weapons>

And decides to show the crew what an angry Klingon can *really* do...
<images of the crew fleeing down corridors as Worf runs through them with
his weapon high over his head, screaming and shouting with his hair all
askew>

The crew is powerless to stop him!
<Shows Data trying to restrain Worf, but the Klingon gets the upper hand
and pulls off his left arm>  (pun intended)

<Scene of Deanna Troi trying to persuade Worf to stop, and only succeeds in
getting a head butt which knocks her to the floor>

Is there anyone on board the ship that can stop Worf's lunatic rage?
<Shot of his kid, Alexander, wrestling with Worf over a phaser. Alexander
flips Worf over his shoulder and points it at his father>

<Shows a phaser discharge striking Worf full in the chest, knocking him
into a wall>

Or is the crew defenseless against it's own security officer?

<Scene of Worf getting up from the phaser blast and swatting Alexander
into a garbage shute>

NEXT TIME ON 'STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION'!!!!!




-- 
Michael J. McNaughton				I'd rather have a bottle in
The University of Chicago			front of me, than to have
mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu			a frontal lobotomy!
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:56:15 GMT

cpeterse@cs.ulowell.edu (chrispy) writes:

>It occurs to me that the producers missed a perfect opportunity to see
>just how good of an actor Frakes really is........

>... cast a _man_ as Soren!

The prospect came up during casting, if I remember right.  I think it was
decided that it might weird out the mainstream audience a little *too* much.

Tim Lynch
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: young Kirk
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:34:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: golem.rabjab.33.0
Organization: sio
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

Are there any stories, books, episodes that describe the youth and family
of Capt. James Tiberius Kirk (I do know he came from Iowa).

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:27:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <64363@cup.portal.com> DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:
>Ahh... Why did you bring this up?  Now I'm forced to comment and somebody's
>gonna tell me to get a life.... Oh well, here goes...
>

GET A LIFE!!!!!! 8-)\


>If in the 24th century we have established enough communcication with marine 
>mammals to use them for 3D navigation consultants then we have to assume they
>are sentient beings... right????  Don't YOU view taking a sentient being and
>sticking them in an aquarium on a space ship a little bit like slavery??? I 
>mean I doubt the Dolphins signed up with Starfleet for the great pay, what woul
>d
>a dolphin do with a paycheck?
>

Buy a really cool condo-aquarium and be the envy of all his friends.
8-)

Flip


-- 
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From: grinstea@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GRINSTEAD CARL FRANK)
Subject: Re: Season Premier
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:50:01 GMT

In article <2@freddyk.uucp> Edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Ed Langenback) writes:
>does anyone know when the season premier of ST:TNG will air?
> 
>-- 
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I believe the season premier is Sep 26.
CG

-- 
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From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: The shuttle ornaments are out !!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:17:00 GMT

I was told by a friend at work that there will be an Enterprise snow globe
or something coming out soon at Hallmark. The store I bought my shuttle from
today said that their list was full, but took my name in case they have any
changed minds (right), no-shows, or are able to get extras. Tomorrow I'll
call all of them and find one with openings still.
Anyone know more about this, or when it's coming? As I understand it, it's
one of those snow-shaker domes with a lighted (?) Enterprise inside. 

 -                                                                     -
 - Dave Martin - Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M - 
 - DAVE@GERGA[GERGO,GERGI].TAMU.EDU - BROOKS@TAMVXOCN.BITNET - AOL:DBM -
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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:28:16 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <1992Aug10.042536.18793@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>In article <65459@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>
>>I don't understand where Star Fleet gets the *BALLS* to even suggest that
>>Data belongs to them.
>
>Again, this is more Bruce Maddox than Starfleet.  My impression is that
>he's made research into android his top priority.  In fact, it grows so
>important that other considerations pale in comparison.  Notice how he
>simply cannot see Data as a sentient being.  Since he is driven to
>get Data above all else, he cannot see Data as sentient, otherwise he
>has an intractable moral conflict.
>
>Military organizations tend to allow commanding officers broad authority
>over the ranks in their command.  Thus, Commander Maddox had an ideal
>environment to "kidnap" Data and treat him as an object, rather than
>a person.
>

Even if Starfleet had fully recognized Data's sentience and still wanted
to go ahead with the deed it would pale in comparison to the many
heinous things the military has done in the past (here.....in our
universe).

Remember genetic testing, radiation testing, heavy drug testing,
sleep deprivation on real live human beings.  Obviously I can't condone
evilness, but it would make Star Trek better if some of that evil
came from within and not from 'the other guys'.  Of course they have 
sort of done this, but it's usually a lone crazed, hellbent or
overly obsessed person.

Who wants:  "Lemonade, Itchy?"
             "Thanks, Scratchy"

ferenc
From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: dolphins! Onboard!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:34:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug20.140018.12194@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
  <92Aug20.231045.22466@acs.ucalgary.ca>

>for Galaxy class starships. Not that they're carried on board.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

quoth the tech manual: "In the Galaxy class starship,"

I think this implies On board.  "In the Galaxy class," would have implied
one research team for the whole class of ships.

Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The watch in Time's arrow
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:05:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.173944.13053@unixg.ubc.ca> dkirkby@heart.ubc.ca (Don  
Kirkby) writes:
> I just downloaded a frame grab of the watch they found in the cave 
> under San Fran in Time's Arrow.  I think it says:
> 
> To S.L.C.
> With Love
> 30 November
> 1889
> 
> I believe that Mark Twain's full name was Samuel Longhorn Clemens, and
> Data was transported back to the 1890s.  Mark Twain also looked at his
> pocket watch several times during the show.  This would lead me to conclude
> that the watch they found in the 24th century under San Francisco belonged
> to Mark Twain.

You bring up an interesting observation.  When I first saw the watch I kept
trying to read what was written on because I thought that perhaps it might
have some relevance.  But then after a little thought, I concluded that 
the only relevance with the watch was that it showed the date.  The other
objects in the cave, such as the revolver and the eyeglasses, were
relevant because they determined from what time period the objects originated.
However, they could not be absolutely certain, but with the watch, they had
some certainty because the date was engraved.  And that's what I concluded
was the relevance of the watch.  However, now that you bring up the S.L.C
that was engraved, I think that you may in fact be correct that it does
stand for Samuel Longhors Clemens.  I think the writers did want to give the
watch more significance than just the date, though I'm not sure what other
significance it may have.  Perhaps Twain helped Data in removing his head in
the cave and left his watch there as a clue for the future Enterprise crew
who would find it later.  Hmmmm.......
--
I was contemplating Socrates' immortal words: "I drank what?"

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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