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From: gregw@highland.oz.au (Greg Wilkins)
Subject: Xview reference? and multiline text panel items
Organization: Highland Logic
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:42:27 GMT

Firstly, this site does not get alt.toolkits.xview, hence the cross posts.

I have a several questions about xview:

1) Where can I get complete documentation on Xview?  I've looked in
   /usr/openwin/man, AnswerBook 1.3, and the O'Reilly Xview Programming
   Manual.  The later is OK, but has many holes. (eg see below).

2) Is xview the OpenLook toolkit of choice? I started using OLIT, but
   it obviously is not what Sun use internally, and everything looked 
   and behaived slightly differently to the standard sun desktop tools.
   On the other hand, xview is very basic and obviously sun has used
   packages not publically available for their deskset tools (that is
   if they did use xview????)

3) Is any source code for more advanced packages available? Is 
   source code for the standard packages available?

4) How do you erase the value of a PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT item?
   
   I want to replace all the text in the item so I use:

       (void)xv_set(detail[D_DIAG],PANEL_VALUE,ad->diag,NULL);

   but this has the effect of prepending the string ad->diag to the
   front of the text already in the item?????   I can't find any
   clear attributes or any other way to get to the value???


Thanks for any help

Greg Wilkins @ Highland Logic 
       Snail : Suite 1, 348 Argyle St., MossVale, NSW, 2577, Australia
       Email : gregw@highland.oz.au
       Phone : (+61 48) 683490  or direct: (+61 2)8107029
       Fax   : (+61 48) 683474 



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From: jgreely@morganucodon.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely)
Subject: Re: Pageview overlays pages of some postscript files
Originator: jgreely@morganucodon.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:14:37 GMT

In article <daves.715836040@condor> daves@assip.csasyd.oz.au
 (David Smart) writes:
>The problem is that PageView uses the %%page command to determine
>where pages end.  If there aren't any, it doesn't stop.  This is the
>wrong behaviour, as the %%page is specifically a comment (called a
>"body comment" in the "red book").

This is perfectly sensible behavior for a previewer.  While it's nice
that some other previewers manage to trap all showpage commands
correctly, the problem is "poor PostScript", not "poor previewer".

>The red book indicates that an application that "operates on the
>structure of a PostScript page description (to extract page subsets,
>reverse the order of pages, etc.) must pay attention to these
>boundaries".  IMHO, PageView is emulating a printer, not an
>application that extracts page subsets, etc.

Unless you cache all of the bitmaps, how else is the previewer going
to page backwards?  Also, if I want to read page 300 of a 300-page
document, it's damn silly to have to wait for all of the pages to be
rendered.  Proper use of the Adobe Document Structuring Conventions
makes life much simpler.

>It's easy to see why they did it - it makes provision of
>next/previous facilities very easy - but it makes the program
>incompatible with very correct PostScript.

It makes it incompatible with those grubby little PostScript files
that people show to Mom and say "look what followed me home; can I
keep it?".

>However, it's much easier to create filters for your favourite
>PostScript producers - simply get them to shove %%page commands in
>after the calls to the appropriate page-throw macros.

This is necessary but not sufficient; read the DSC (currently at
version 3.0, found in appendix G of the second edition of the
PostScript Language Reference Manual).
-- 
J Greely (jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu; osu-cis!jgreely)
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From: bryant@ced.utah.edu (Bryant Eastham,MEB 3116,581-5353)
Subject: Information about Liken wanted
Keywords: liken
Reply-To: bryant@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:13:54 GMT


I know that I saw something a little while ago about a product
called Liken. I tried to get some of the articles back but
couldn't, so could people PLEASE E-MAIL me information they
may have (experiences, who sells it, etc.).

I do NOT want to start another thread here - just get information.

Thanks,
Bryant Eastham
bryant@ced.utah.edu
From: andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: openwin and DISPLAY
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:54:53 GMT
	<1992Sep4.113258.1884@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Salomon Inc
In-reply-to: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com's message of 4 Sep 92 11:32:58 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Sep 92 11:32:58 GMT, adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) said:

adh> but openwin is damaged -- it won't [easily] run anywhere but the
adh> console.  i tried setting DISPLAY to the machine:0 form, and ow just
adh> barked and died (a clean death -- i don't think it suffered much).

Why would you want to do this????.  Display 0 *is* the console.  It
makes no sense to run the ow server (as opposed to clients) from
somewhere else.
--
--
Andy Sherman
Salomon Inc  -  Unix Systems Support  -  Rutherford, NJ
(201) 896-7018  -  andys@flatline.sbi.com or asherman@mhnj.sbi.com
"These opinions are mine, all *MINE*.  My employer can't have them."
From: jlange@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Lange)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: 'bar' for use on a PC ???
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:13:45 GMT
Reply-To: jlange@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Lange)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: jlange@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

I apologize in advance if this is directed to the wrong newsgroup.

I am looking for a public domain utility to read files created on
a Sparc using the command 'bar'.  The media is 3.5" floppies which were
formatted with the fdformat command.  I want to untar the archive onto
a PC.  Any leads will be appreciated.
Thanks.

John Lange

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From: jpd@discovery.msu.edu (Joe P. DeCello)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Reply-To: jpd@discovery.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:51:17 GMT

We are running WP5.1 on a SS2 running 4.1.1 and it works just fine.
Speed is comparable to Frame and most of the WP50 problems are gone
in WP51.  We all know the headaches of WP5.0 but it is no comparison
to the new WP5.1.  TRY IT YOU'll like it.

Note:  I find it best to use "other spooler" as opposed to "lpr
       spooler".
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From: Paul Peterson <paulp@ccsd.uts.edu.au>
Subject: ksh for SUN
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:30:20 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D50B08F4012015@paulp.ccsd.uts.edu.au>
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-Xxdate: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:24:08 GMT

Greeting to all!!

	Does anyone out there know of source or binary for ksh on a Sun? Any
help would be appreciated.

	Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: kev@cygnus.slc.mentorg.com (Kevin Miller)
Subject: Re: My Sun calendar man. went flaky - why?
Reply-To: kevin_miller@mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.,  Murray, Utah
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.222549.29805@athena.cs.uga.edu>, weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kevin Weinrich) writes:
> Any of you folks ever have weird things going on with your Sun
> Calendar Manager?  Sometime recently mine started to go flaky
> on me -- when I double-click on a day, it brings up the *previous*
> day.  If I set an appointment, it schedules it for a different time
> (this last time, I set it for 6 p.m., it showed up at 1 p.m.).
:
: Stuff deleted
:
> 
> Any idea what gives?  Thanks for your help,
> 
> -Kevin (Confused) Weinrich		weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu

-- 

Suns Time zone stuff is broken. Date will read corectly but the CM is using GMT
for the time zone.

You will need to run tzsetup which resets the correct time zone in the  kernel.
I have also placed tzsetup in my rc.local files to set the correct time zone
on boot up.

 Kevin Miller   (Systems Manager, MGC IC-Group, SLC Utah)

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From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Re: 3rd call for TIF viewer on sun
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:56:22 GMT

cmbecker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Canton Becker) writes:

>	Hi...  Sorry, this is the third call for a program that will Xdisplay
>.tiff format graphics on a Sun.  I've gotten lots of suggestions from people,
>(thanks for all the help, BTW) but each involves using one small utility of
>some enormous graphics package.  (Just using the Xwindows tiff viewer from
>PBMplus is sorta like using a cannery to open a coke...)
>	ARE there any _small_ utilities, say xv sized things, that will simply
                                             ^^
The current version of xv does tiff.  I believe it is v. 2.2.  Look on
export.lcs.mit.edu.

>allow me to look at a tiff on my friggin' sun?
                       ^^^^

>		Desperately Thankful,
>			-Canton
>reply via e-mail to: canton@nwu.edu
>	
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From: gws@gwssun.att.com (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Re: Island Write/paint/draw
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:52:39 GMT

In article <hue.715574748@coney> hue@island.COM (Pond Scum) writes:
>gws@gwssun.att.com (Gary Sanders) writes:
>>Has anyone been able to import tiff images into Island Draw that were
>>not generated by Island? I have attempted to import over 50 different
>>images into Island Draw and always get a file format error. 

Followup..
	I had several people send me email and several followup post
on my Island Draw problems. Thanks to all that replied. I also received 
a call from Island Graphics support line to talk about the problem. 
Nice to know they are watching the net. I send them 5 or 6 tif images 
to lookover and see why it doesnt work. Well the basic problem 
They dont support that format in tif and doubt they ever will. SO guess
I am going to use the tiff -> raster method for now and take a good 
hard look at some other software for my graphical needs. Its a shame I 
have to go back to dos to make use of tif images!!
-- 
Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR)
gary.w.sanders@att.com		
AT&T Bell Labs 
614-860-5965 
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From: root@micom.com (Todd L. Kindig @ Micom Comm. Corp.)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:02:12 GMT

	Welp, as much as I hate to do this seeing how I like WP so much,
How bad is WP5.1..... 

	Let me descibe my environment first:

Sun Sparc's: 
	Sun OS 4.1.2
	OpenWin 3.0
	
	100Meg or better of swap
	28Meg or better of Ram

Tables:
	When trying to work with tables, save often. I have experienced, many 
times, where moving through them, I have been dumped completed out of OpenLook.
We use many other X programs here, PD and otherwise (Cadense, etc.) and none
have ever thrown me out of OpenLook.

Printing:
	If its directly connected, anyone can configure it.... If its not, be
prepared to be confused... After reading all the articles here, I have decided
that I can finally get what I want. 

Etc:
	
Bottom line:
	Sure wish I didn't feel so dissappointed.... I have been an unregistered
consultant for WP for years in the DOS Environment. Being hooked as I am on the 
unix advantages, I had hoped by purchasing WP5.1 for Unix I could pretty much
ignore my pc. Unfortunately, I still end up using it.  While it is a 486/33 it 

doen't do what my Unix box can do. 

Anyway,
	No I haven't called WP yet. I'm trying to find the time to provide
a fully functional set of macros to demonstrate the problems.

In Conclusion:
	Disappointed. :(!

-- 

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From: g.barker%nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Gareth Barker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:36:54 GMT
Reply-To: g.barker%nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk@mail-a.bcc.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.

In article 1200@openage.openage.com, gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) writes:
>brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter) writes:
>
>>Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko) writes:
>>: 
>>: A while ago, there was a very negative discussion of WordPerfect (maybe
>>: 5.0?). Now, WordPerfect has released 5.1, which supposedly supports
>>: Xwindows in addition to character terminals.
...

>
>I know WP5.0 with WPTERM=gui_color is slower than molassas in winter, but
>I've seen WP51, and it is much better.  WP51 for UNIX isn't out yet, as 
>far as I know, but I only follow SCO versions.  I saw it at SCO Forum last
>month, and it looked fast and fine.

A Sparc binary of 5.1 is on the CDOffice cd thats just been distributed ot
(some) Sun sites.  Motif interface, WYSIWYG, lots of (too many) popups, help
windows etc.  Fairly SLOW, but just about usable.  Screen fonts looked nasty at
100% magnification, not too bad at 150%.  Looks nothing like WP5.0 for Suns,
or WP5.0/5.1 for MSDOS.

(For anyone trying to run the demo on the cd - I got a message about a missing
setup file '.wpc51'.  Copy the whole wp directory structure from the cdrom
to /tmp, or somewhere, and then link '.wp51' (in the bin directory) to '.wpc51'.
Then run the binary xwp).



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: subbarao@tex.Princeton.EDU (Kartik Subbarao)
Subject: Re: Problems with WP 5.0!! WP 5.1 how much better??
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:31:33 GMT

In article <14560@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>>Function keys F11 and F12 (Reveal Codes and Block) don't work with OpenWin 
>>>(L1 and L2 do the same job!).
>>
>>Well, that's just dumb Openwindows.  Under openwin, F11 and F12 have a
>>different keysym than under X.  Yay Sun.
>
>No, it's just dumb MIT X11R4.  Under MIT X11R4, keysym XK_F11 is the
>same as keysym XK_L1, because *obviously* *nobody* would *ever* have a
>keyboard that had separate L1 and F11 keys.  Yay MIT. 
>
>Under Open Windows, Sun repaired that MIT X11 botch by introducing
>XK_SunF36 and XK_SunF37 keysyms, which they use for F11 and F12.
>
>THe X11R5 <X11/Sunkeysym.h> we have here seems to have introduced
>XK_SunF36 and XK_SunF37 keysyms, with the same values; hopefully, the
>X11R5 XSun gives assigns those keysyms to the F11 and F12 keys.

Another workaround is to use xmodmap. Put this in a file, then run xmodmap
on this file in your .xinitrc:

! Fix F11 and F12 keys on the SPARC keyboard
keycode 8 =
keycode 10 =
keycode 16 = F11
keycode 18 = F12

	-Kartik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: sunjay@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Help me tar kermit.tar.z !
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark

I thank everyone who responded to my question on where to find Kermit for SUN.
I successfully downloaded the files from various sources but having problem 
when i try to run tar.

Question ?   What does the z stand for in kermit.tar.z ?
	     What parameters do I use with tar to extract this file ?  

I would appreciate if someone out there could help me extract the kermit file ?
Thanks in advance.

Sanjay.


e-mail:	sunjay@draco.rutgers.edu

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From: jumper@spf.trw.com (Greg Jumper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Opinions and references for CAI-building tools
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:36:15 GMT
Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA

Does anyone have recommendations for tools which allow one to create custom
computer-aided-instruction (CAI) applications for training on GUI-based
software?  The instruction application must allow the student user to "test
drive" the subject application under a variety of scenarios; the CAI software
cannot merely provide a canned demonstration of the package.

I found two products in Sun's Catalyst catalog:  "Authology" from CEIT
Systems, and "CAST" from Master Class Corporation.  Does anyone have
experience with either of these packages?

Finally, could "expect" or something similar be used to concoct a CAI
application in a windowing environment?
--
                                       Thanks,

                                       Greg Jumper
                                       TRW Signal Processing Facility
                                       jumper@spf.trw.com
From: wsadkin@bbn.com (Will Sadkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: problem when dbx'ing a running process
Date: 8 Sep 1992 16:33:40 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.bbn.com

-- 
I have written a program which fork/execs itself to run dbx on the child
process (the original program); it's supposed to attach to the child (which
is paused, waiting for a signal), and use the -sr <file> option to run
and then remove a startup file.  The startup file contains a command to stop
in a particular routine.  
Unfortunately, the dbx says:
 /tmp/dbxinit.nnnn:  1: no module, procedure or file named `<procname>'
 (dbx)
When I then type
 (dbx) stop in <procname>
it works just fine. (I can then type cont, and the program stops right where
I wanted it to.  In my opinion, the init file should work, and this is a bug...
Anyone have any ideas on how to get around it?  (sun?)

/Will
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From: drinckes@csl.dl.nec.com (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Backup Copilot tape library screws up
Keywords: backup copilot tape library sun
Organization: TSSC New Zealand
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:53:17 GMT

We are using Backup Copilot with a tape library of about 30 tapes.

Every afternoon (3pm), a cron job (dumpex -n nzls02) runs which mails me
the list of tapes that would be required by the dump.

I load in the tapes and go home.  At 2am the next morning the dump runs.

Everything should be ok.  BUT the dump seems to require the FIRST
expired tape.  If a tape expires between 3pm and 2am the next morning, and 
it has a lower index number than the tape I loaded, the dump won't run.

Does anyone else use Backup Copilot?  Noticed this problem?  Have a
solution?  Please?

Replies to me (at address below) & if I get any I'll summarise.


-- 
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Telecommunications Systems Support Centre New Zealand Ltd  
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From: rthau@qualix.com (Rick Thau)
Subject: Re: Help with Transcript 3.0
Reply-To: rthau@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:22:35 GMT

You should be aware that version 4 of transcript is available and will be 
shipping in the next week.  It is available through Qualix Group, fully 
supported. We are working with Adobe, and providing all the sales and support
services for this new version. For existing users the upgrade price is $195, 
with source and site licenses available. 

Please contact us at 800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com (415-572-0200 for intntl)

Rick Thau
===================
In article 185qdsINNna1@agate.berkeley.edu, desouza@math.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza) writes:
>
>I am having a few headaches trying to install Transcript 3.0 on a 
>SUN Sparc 2 to drive a Apple Laser Writer IIf, and I was wondering
>if anybody could give me a hand. I tried Adobe (for 2 weeks) and
>no success whatsoever....
>
>First I had a lot of problems getting the right PPD (PS Printer
>Description file) from Adobe, but now I have it and this part 
>seems to be fine. But whenever I try to print a file with more
>than 1 page I get an error from the printer, logged in the log-file:
>
>	psbanner: tupan.berkeley.edu:paulo  Job: printcap  Date: Wed Sep 2...
>	psdman: tupan.berkeley.edu:paulo guta start - Wed Sep  2 22:26:45 1992
>	psif: tupan.berkeley.edu:paulo guta start - Wed Sep  2 22:26:46 1992
>	WARNING: Check spooled PostScript for control characters.
>	psif: printer sync problem [2] ()
>	psif: printer sync problem [3] ()
>	psif: end - Wed Sep  2 22:27:10 1992
>
>Small PS files print fine, bu I cannot print anything with more than one 
>page, even though the PS files print elsewhere just fine.
>
>The problem has been tracked down, by a couple o people on the net, to an
>error in one of the PROMS of the Laser Writer, for which Adobe has issued
>a fix in the files "pscomm.bsd". And one of them even sent me the "patch"
>file for the fix, but the patch file is for version 2.9 of the pscomm.bsd
>file and what I have is ver 3.0, so the patch is no good. I tried to patch
>it by hand, using commom sense, the new pscomm.c compiled fine but IT STILL
>DOES NOT WORK.
>
>Does anybody out there knows what is going on, and can give me some clues .. ?
>
>Paulo de Souza
>desouza@math.berkeley.edu




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From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller)
Subject: Document Management and Flow Applications ?
Reply-To: flog@open.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:41:26 GMT

I'd appreciate any comments on the above subjects.

Summary upon request.

Thanks

-Florian

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