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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:10:44 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      hey Jim!

Get out of me!!!!
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:12:44 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re-ich Raby

	.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:11:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Bring 'em on!

Salamander says:
>>>   Not that it should matter, but lest you take me for a fundamentalist, I
>>>am a confirmed atheist and have no use for deities in any form.
Congratulating you would be redundant here, Sally (may I call you Sally?),
since you seem able to congratulate yourself.  Your comment sounds to me
like something RAW would say, thus undercutting itself.  Nice loop.

And Alex Martelli contributes:
>Signal to noise ratio close to 0, IMHO.  Which is why I had once proposed
>an alt.fan.raw, but it fell flat.  So now I'm haunting r.a.b - after
>all if ALL books are to be discussed here, why not Wilson's!
Since, it has been pointed out, "we" don't amuse y'all, why do "you guys"
persist in talking like we're supposed to?  Amuse us, schmuck!  If sloppy,
get flamed, we all live with it.
How many times do I have to say this until it ceases to be signal and becomes
noise, Mr. Martelli, since you have the rare ability to always distinguish
between the two?
I've gotten into a frame of mind where I find value in Everything that's
posted.  Is that good or bad?
Maybe when we aren't so busy Disapproving and Having Opinions
we find time to think for ourselves.

Discordians emphasize the active part of discord, i.e. spreading it.
But there's another story, isn't there?  Receiving it.  Did Illuminatus
tell us the story of the unhappy, disgruntled shop-workers that Markoff
Chaney pissed-off?  Could not one of them have been, dare I say it, a
fledgling SubGenius?  Are you under the impression that you will ALWAYS
be in on the joke?

Every time we make fun, every time we spread discord, please remember:
THERE IS SOMEONE ON THE OTHER END AND SOMETIMES THAT PERSON IS YOU
Sometimes it's all of us (except Foss).
Any asshole can spread discord.  The accomplishment is taking it with
a sense of humor.
Did Stang say it would always be sweet and fun and polite and comprehensible?
FUCK NO!  Learn to enjoy paranoia and derision!  Stop complaining! Fight back.

Try this, Salamander: I worship many deities.  If only I knew what they were.

So much for E-Prime . . .

In conclusion, stop listening to the phantom cheerleaders.  And those aren't
peyote buttons, they're conspiracy turds.

This aphoristic style has got to go.

"Everyone Fools Their Own Self" - Matt Groening

alp
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:20:04 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      uniball

Actualy, "take your Uniball" is never necessary. That, as I thought I had
described well enough earlier, has already been done. The other is always
with me.  George,friend to all virtue.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:49:07 CDT
From:         Kenn Thomas <SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: This was posted to Leri-l, but I think it fits here, too...
              19 Aug 1992 12:35:44 -0400 from <salsbury@ACSU.BUF FALO.EDU>

What is Leri-L?  Can someone bring me up to speed?
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:25:58 CDT
From:         Kenn Thomas <SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re-ich Raby
              20 Aug 1992 16:12:44 EDT from <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPE NN.EDU>

Was there supposed to be a message here?  About Reich maybe?  I'm poised to plu
g Steamshovel again if I can get anyone's attention./
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:42:16 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Merciful Dickless

>Why don't you give these guys a break, Egghead?

Your use of the plural concerns me, O Autobiographical One.
Bugaloo certainly gets a break; his remark bears repeating, and no
kidding, Thou Shameless Older Fellow Thou.  Pat's in charge and can
therefore create his own breaks, wouldn't you say, CheeseWizard?
So take another look, You Who Repeat Yourself When Under Stress, and
you'll find-

OKAY, OKAY, I'M TIRESOME ALREADY!!!   WHY DON'T YOU JUST PULL MY
FUCKING TEETH OUT WITH YOUR BIG GREASY HAND AND PUT THEM ON YOUR
MANTLE, YOU NASTY, uh uh uh, NASTY BIG PICKING-ON-OTHER-PEOPLE-PERSON!
Merciless Dickfull indeed!

General Mills hereby submits his pencil neck to Cuthbert's L'il
Penknife(tm).  May they say: He din't live quite long enough.
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
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Date: 21 Aug 92 17:13:38 GMT
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robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV (Robert Holder) writes:
: ah, heat!  well, I never said I wasn't full of shit,
: and now you have kindly pointed that out for me.
: 
: if everybody wants me to fuck off, I'll shut up.  I guess if
: I don't fit in here (either) then you can all kick me out.
: believe me this wouldn't be the first time.  then I can play
: the martyr, won't that be fun!
: 

If you go around with thin skin, maybe you should shut up.
This is a great place, but something will usually stike a 
nerve with someone. Erlichda.

: disagreement is the source of learning.  you think I'm a
: "stonehead" (dry empiric geologist)?  It's not true.  I believe
: productive discourse stands on it's own, not needing emotional
: support.
 True. Don't get too emotional.
: 

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:00:09 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      PS
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oh yeah,

> flaming of any such issues is important; critiqu is a refining fire.

don't I get this same protection?  I was questioning the discussion
methodology.  And I didn't ATTACK ANYONE PERSONALLY IN PUBLIC.

No cracks about their work or profession.  just questions about the
list...

also, managing local resources is NOT the responsibility of distant
users.  if you can't handle a newsfeed or maillist, it may be unpleasant
to have to unsub due to resource limits, but only the people in
physical proximity to the machine can really control that problem.
That's what *I* do for a living and I earn the money I make.  Ok, now
everybody else here has to JUSTIFY THEIR work performance in public.

I wish I had kept my mouth shut and let the self-editing instinct have
it's way.

robert h
usgs: wasting your tax dollars on trivial maps
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:13:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Phenomicon

>Also, does anyone know about Phenomicon in Atlanta this November?
>
>--you pal, KT

Funny you should ask.
November 13-15, 1992, Castlegate Hotel and Conference Center, Atlanta, GA:
Guests include:
William Gibson (tentative)
Bruce Sterling: co-author with Gibson of The Difference Engine
Johnathan Vankin: author of Conspiracies, Cover-ups, and Crimes
Adam Parfrey: editor of Apocalypse Culture
Atlanta's own Kerry Thornley
Rev. Ivan Stang, leading a SubGenius Devival
Dr. Philo Drummond and the Swinging Love Corpses (tentative)
Warren Robinette: created the game "Adventure", now doing virtual reality
research

This info is a couple of months old, so I don't know if any of that "tentative"
stuff has been resolved.

Last year's featured RAW hisself, Stang, UFO conspiracy prophet Bill Cooper
(who charged an ADDITIONAL $20.00 to attend his "workshops", which had
something to do with How To Get Picked Up By UFOs, or maybe How Not To Get
Picked Up By UFOs I'm not sure), Robert Schaeffer of CSICOP (who got into
a nit-picky debate with RAW, wherein they both suffered, in my opinion),
and various others talking about hacking, government harrassment, HEMP,
Skull & Bones, Freemasonry, benign UFO conspiracies, and so on.
There was a Kirlian Photography booth, which never seemed to be staffed,
Pagans, Vampires, role-players, Bobbies, members of Georgia Skeptics,
and other assorted retards and throwbacks.  Some of the stuff at the Devival
was recorded and used on Hour of Slack (your :45 of fame), including RAW, drunk
and ranting about willies.

If you want more info, flame me.
No, wait, send me a message.
Anyone who wants to come down is welcome to sleep in Cuthbert's Big
Workingman's Smile.

alp
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:19:56 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Sinisism, Love & Haight

Crash, an interest group; try crash+request@andrew.carnegie.edu
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:02:56 EDT
From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      paranoia II

	Someone should probably stop me, but I guess no one is around to call
a halt. Recent frequencies have activated analytical pressure points, and
thought pushes and fights to be first in line at fnord.
	Some of us who had marines for fathers had paranoia on marijuana that
was not related to the context. I now suspect that part of the answer was
that the freedom of consciousness, the busted jacket of time, was so wild
and undomesticated that our implanted freedom-fighters came at us with a
vengeance. Just as spontaneous life is destroyed by the marine sergeant drill
master, so did these armed goons of father duty and the clock work rise up
and bare their ugly and frightening faces.
	People have now been trained so well that they believe that that
wild unleashed soaring in the present (substitute your description) is
really BAD. Not just that it's bad because it's a DRUG, and drugs are
ILLEGAL, but that NOT TO CARE WHAT TIME IT IS IS WRONG. to be continued
ad infinitum until somebody (please) calls a halt.  NOT HOLDING.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:43:23 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      XTROPY FOR THE MASSES

You and I, Salamander old comrade, of of a mind.  I, too, hanker for
a nice, clean world were everyone plays with his own toys in a corner
and nobody makes any disgusting noises, a world where everybody owns
something, nobody pisses on anybody else's lawn, the puppy dogs are
all spayed, and the peasants don't give me any lip.  You and I, old
marching buddy, are very much alike.
Except that I eat the viscera of my enemies and feed their women and
children to my trout.  Minor point.
Cuthbert
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:53:31 CDT
From:         Kenn Thomas <SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Steamshovel Press

Funny you should put it that way.  I just did an "interview" with Dr. L and he
passed the phone around to everyone at a designer underwear modeling party he w
as having.  A real big name party--talked to Paul Krassner, Jerry Rubin, Anita
Hoffman, R. U. Sirius, and maybe about ten minutes of chatter Leary.  I would l
ike to get this transcribed for a future issue of (PLUG, PLUG, PLUG) Steamshove
l Press and will give a copy of the tape plus a copy of the new Steamshovel (PL
UG, PLUG, PLUG) with all the great stuff on Danny Casolaro, Wilhelm Reich, the
Shroud of Turin, the JFK assassination to the first volunteer (who will also ge
t credit in the issue featuring the party tape transcript.)  So how about it?
It's just like partying with the big boys!

Also, does anyone know about Phenomicon in Atlanta this November?

--you pal, KT
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Subject: Re: This was posted to Leri-l, but I think it fits here, too...
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:26:17 -0500
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In article <FNORD-L%92082015012224@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster <POSTMASTER@UBVM.BITNET> writes:
> Well, of course it fits here- it would, in fact, fit anywhere.  This
> tiresome business of whining about how nobody else is as interesting
> as the author goes on on list after list, all over the net.  These
> tedious folks are usually ignored, since most of us have long been
> able to locate the delete keys on our terminals with very little help,
> and have mastered net procedures to the extent that we are able to
> sign off lists which don't suit our fancies.  I wish Mr. Raby well,

Oyez, oyez.

> however, in his search for a list full of people Just Like Him, and
> I even sympathize with him a bit- I was on Leri-L myself for a day or
> two, and his description is fairly accurate.  Why, some goofball even

You say tomato, I say turnip.

> posted a message to the list breaking up with his girlfriend... by an
> almost staggering coincidence, the guy who did that was ALSO named
> Richard Raby.  What are the oddsa that, huh?  Two of 'em!  It boggles
> the ol' bean...

Ah yes; paradox is the name of the game, wouldn't you know it.

Yeh, yeh, Rich was right, and so are you, Undetermined Origin -- Leri-L wastes
a whole lot of that mythical beast called Bandwidth.  I should know; I liked
the place so much I bought the company.  Rich didn't want Leri-L, Rich wanted
Rich.Raby-L, and no one else did, and so that's that, yahoo.  And just a quick
note in our defense: we encourage noise, we thrive on noise, if life was
nothing but one big thread after another, boy, wouldn't that be taxing.  You
say you were on Leri-L for a day; Leri-L for a day is like taking a sip of a
beer and claiming you know what a Jack Daniels hangover feels like.  Leri-L for
a day is like one quarter of a spot of wood pulp (hip drug slang!).  Leri-L for
a day is like reading the slipcover to "Illuminatus!" and assuming you know
one-thousandth of the story.  In other words, the ebb and flow of the noise is
more interesting the noise itself, and the medium is the message, and all that
other crap everyone believes in theory while ignoring (?) in practice.

Pat suggested a long time ago, though, that I should broaden my horizons and
check out Fnord-L.  Thusly I have come; Pat, Salamander, JM, and others...keep
me informed of any potential breaches in protocol.  I will do my best to send
my noise to Leri-L and my Words Of Great Import to Fnord-L.  Doing so, I hope
to someday find that thing that I seek, because I Still Haven't Found What I'm
Looking For, mainly because I've been seeking Where The Streets Have No Names. 
And yet I know, someday I'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, the lovers, the
dreamers, and that guy over there.

> My name is Wuggy Norple, and I'll be your waiter this evening...
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From:         "The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly"
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Subject:      Re: Stupidity and Beyond, by Stephen Hawkings
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-Was this an example of a typical FNORD-L posting? What does FNORD mean? I'd
-like to start tossing random "fnord"s into my speech, but since I don't know
-what it means, I'm afraid of commiting a faux pas in the process.
-I worry about these things.
-
-fnordfully yours - gerold
        "FNORD" is a concept, really. It's a word or phrase used to
generate feelings of anxiety, paranoia, fear, uneasiness, etc. in people.
It could be the word "fnord" or another word that does the same thing. The
media (allegedly) use them, along with "Them" (fnord) to control the
masses.
        A translation I like to think of is this: Wherever you see "fnord"
substitute the phrase: "Be afraid. Be very afraid." :)

        Some examples from recent media usage. Can you find the fnords in
these selections?

a)Air
b)Tree
c)Saddam Hussein
d)Turtle

a)Life
b)Mall
c)The Simpsons
d)Nuclear Escalation

a)Sesame Street
b)George Bush
c)Sky
d)Ball

a)Lollipop
b)Godless Communists and Sexual Deviants
c)Fish
d)Shoe

        Get the point? Take a look through a noozpaper sometime. See how
many YOU can find! :)

        Also, look for what I call "anti-fnords." Those are words that
leave you feeling relaxed, confident, unquestioning. Words and phrases in
news articles such as "Sources Claimed," "Experts said," "a Spokesperson
was quoted as saying," and the like.
        Nameless people whom you are supposed to blindly trust because they
are an "Expert." I like to think of these words as translating to "Don't
question. Just accept! Things are ok. Everything will be taken care of.
Don't worry. You're perfectly safe...go back to sleep....go back to
sleeeeeep...."

        ;^)

Pat

   Patrick G. Salsbury                    State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA
SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU                       Disclaimers are silly. ;^)

                          "All bound for Mu Mu Land!"
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:39:00 GMT
From:         Tetra Hedron <MATMACCONAON@BODKIN.UCG.IE>
Subject:      Return of the Sausage

Today, my sausage turned twenty-two (22).

Actually, ri really only turned twenty-one (21) according to the way the
rest of us view things; this is due to the fact that sausages measure age
from the start of years rather than from the end of years, so that ri was
one (1) when ri came into being. I hear the same sort of carry-on goes on
in Foreign Countries.

It was my idea that we should celebrate ros coming of age by having a bit
of a party, with cocktail fingers and such like. I chose deliberately to
ignore the fact of ros miffedness last year when I would not acknowledge
the fact that ri had just come of age, me being under the (deliberate)
misapprehension that ri had only just turned twenty (20). It is now
turning into a problem; ri refuses to attend ros own twenty-first (21st)
(twenty-second (22nd)).

What should I do?

I should also tell you that I am seriously considering changing ros name
from Petunia to Uniatz. Ri would like it better.

Or so ri said.

th
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Subject:      Old Funcum

	Old Funcum, passed for years, slowly makes his way with his
collapsible cane onto the stage. His nephew, Uniball, is the only one
in the audience, and he has to leave soon for his appointment at the
fertility clinic. While old Funcum is hawking and preparing to speak,
Uniball is thinking: Do I want a prosthetic like some kind of marble
in there just so it swings like the big boys?
	Old Funcum, deaf, gentle, bemused, recalls a bewildering array of
smart drugs he has tried: in this way his life, already passed, passes
before him again: his life of smart drugs. Well I was always a pill
taker, he thinks, there was nothing I wouldn't put in my mouth. He hawks
and spits. What was I going to be smart for? Old Funcum tried to delve
into this, the purpose of that book with its come-on cover that lay on
their bathroom floor now fifty years ago, in the days of the republic.
Red on the white cover was like nipples on a teat, was like the neon lights
that drew me as a boy to the same old dancing girls that always was, for
a dumb young one like me.
	Of course I did want my smokes back, thinks Old Funcum, and this he
rues, that he went so long without his mokes Damn why didn't I realize that
I would be a Funcum shade anyhow, so why not take a good breath? Hydergine,
Piracetam (nice names), and that asthma inhaler that he kept in the fridge,
why he would need to set some of this down, for though he was not flesh,
his former love of pens now had the effect of making them remain material
in his hands, allowing him to write with material ink, on material paperj.
	Funcum old bore, says Uniball, not yet bereft of testosterone, as
he hurries up the aisle to the sunshine and the street.
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From:         Tragically Misunderstood <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      A Proper Sort of Discussion

Dear Salamander:
This, uh, guy was sort of wondering about something and I thought I would,
y'know, ask.  Why do you want to go to Ireland?  The rich Celtic culture and
music?  The politics?  Land of Joyce?  Or are you just RAW's dogboy?
He asked.  Not me.

>and the economic base of the TVA) and (*shudder*) Atlanta, which
>probably has done itself in by getting the Olympics, although we'll
>see.

CHEATING, please don't mention again.  I very sensitive right now about that,
'cause my suggestion for Olympic mascot, Li'l Maynard the Handgun, was
stomped on by fools and boors.  Misunderstood genius?  I know about
misunderstood genius.

He Who Has Never Made An Anna Livia Plurabelle Joke With His Initials,
Not Even On Stony Brook,
alp
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      neural storms.

Prick-ticket, jack-straw, buddy-bottom, Lord on the Highway of the Land.

Would you mind asking me a very serious question?

Hey, Gallup Poll just called. I am so proud, I really am. So powerful. My
answers now stand for thousands and thousands of people. Like, for a few
minutes on the that phone, I was a powerful representative of the people.

Two sorts of memory: single line tracer to a particular thing or place.

And, overall mood that you are having in many years at one time.

This rapid seeking out of memory images induces melancholy, for the sum of
human events is sorrow. Or, something important has been lost. Perhaps ten
years. Flat images of the old school could have you thinking you can fell
those days. Jump-start, cut-throat, all of the money. Kind of cute. Whatever
came to him in those days of glory. No, not Nixon. Someone help me here.
What happens to the present when the smarted brain is uncovering rooms not
visited for years, moving with the speed and zigzag of lightning into a
corner of a space you can hardly believe you still know.  Wellbutrin.
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