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From: chingchi@gtc.com (Ching-Chi Kaw)
Subject: where can I get olvwm3.0 patches
Keywords: olvwm3.0 patches
Organization: Genisco Technology Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:22:31 GMT


Where can I get all the olvwm3.0 patches?



Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim)
Subject: Getting middle button to push windows to background?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:46:13 GMT

I'm using OpenWindows 3.0, and I was wondering if it was possible to
get the middle button on my mouse to do something useful like pushing
a window to the back.  





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From: luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: path in title bar
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:56:34 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hercules.meaddata.com

In article <1992Nov6.022528.27362@xilinx.com> holen@xilinx.com (Victor A. Holen ) writes:
>In article <> luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:
>.......
>>For example, "\E]ltext\E\         - set tool header to text" 
>>NOTE:  Replace \E with Cntl-v then EscKey in vi, which will look like ^[ 
>......
>>alias header    'echo -n "^[]l\!*^[\"'  ### see NOTE
>....
>This worked very well for commandtool windows. Thanks
>But it doesn't work for the xterm window under openlook.
>Any ideas ?
>
>-- 
> victor ....  ___  ._..  .  _.     holen@xilinx.com

Xterm uses the following escape sequence:
echo -n "\E]2;text^G"

NOTE: Replace ^G with Cntl-g (bell character)

The 2 in the above sequence will change title bar, 
1 will change icon, 0 will change both icon and title bar.  

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: r0506048@csman.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Chun-Hung Lin)
Subject: "Paste" on Xterm
Reply-To: r0506048@csman.csie.ntu.edu.tw
Organization: Communication & Multimedia Lab, NTU, Taiwan
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:54:24 GMT

Dear Netters,

  When I am on Xterm, the "paste" command can be done by pressing the
middle(2nd) mouse button, which is different from the other
Openwindows utilities. How can I change it? Any help is aprreciated.

=================================================================
Chun-Hung Lin                     
r0506048@csman.csie.ntu.edu.tw    
Communication & Multimedia Lab.
Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Info. Eng.
National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:24:00 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>I've done a lot of searching recently for xterm, the program that works
>as an Open Look "look-and-feel" application.  I have xterm from the
>general X11R5 distribution at export.lcs.mit.edu and have it working.
>But, that one is Xt based, I believe with the Scrollbar at the left, etc.

The fact that it's Xt-based has nothing to do with where it puts the
scroll bar.  Xt-based toolkits that provide the OPEN LOOK look and feel
exist, such as OLIT and MoOLIT.

>I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
>Can anyone help, please....???!!!

Well, that depends on what you're looking for.

Are you just looking for *any* "terminal-emulator" program that has an
OPEN LOOK look and feel?  If so, you may be able to use "shelltool",
which does use XView, and is freely-available (along with the rest of
XView), but may require some work to port it to your machine (you didn't
say what machine or OS you had).

Or are you looking for a terminal-emulator program that's "xterm"-like -
e.g.  one that emulates a VTxxx - but that has an OPEN LOOK look and
feel?  If so, I don't know of any that are freely-available, although I
believe AT&T does have one that is presumably Xt-based, but that has an
OPEN LOOK look and feel, and is presumably based on one version of their
OPEN LOOK Xt widget set - unfortunately, I don't think it's
freely-available (and I also think it emulates the console of an AT&T
PClone, rather than a VTxxx, for what that's worth).
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: djb@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.j.bryant)
Subject: Re: SunSoft Windows Toolkits Positioning
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Ohio
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:37:10 GMT
Keywords: xview, olit

Regarding "SunSoft Windows Toolkits Positioning", guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) 
writes:
  >> We strongly encourage developers to use OLIT for any NEW
  >> applications that are being developed to take advantage of many new
  >> features and functionalities, and maintain compliance with the rapidly
  >> evolving STANDARDS for GUI development.
  > 
  > I presume this translates into "Intrinsics-based toolkits are the Proper
  > Standard Toolkits For X"; i.e., OLIT is being promoted as the favored
  > toolkit for new applications because it's a bunch of widgets atop the Xt
  > Intrinsics.

Perhaps more than just the "Xt is the de facto standard for GUI development" 
sense, I took it to be a reference to the fact that the OLIT API is being 
formally standardized (er, STANDARDIZED) by the IEEE.  (Apart from P1295.2 
work, IEEE P1201.1 has gone on record as saying that their window-system-
independent toolkit API only considers Xt-based toolkits of interest, so 
they're working with OLIT, not Xview or TNT.)

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From: doug@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (Doug Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Looking for VT220/320/420 Emulation for Sun
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: doug@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com
Organization: General Electric

Mark,

Mail to 528010@llnl.gov bounces. Send me a valid e-mail address
and I'll send you what you need.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Doug Smith 			 General Electric Aerospace
e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (second floor)
"Is it snowing??"
My opinions are mine because nobody agrees with them anyway.
From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: MailTool3 and .signature files
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:29:35 GMT
	<1992Nov11.210739.21362@sq.sq.com>
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Nov11.210739.21362@sq.sq.com> lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin) writes:
>   [4] fastest, least general
...
>      Yes, control-shift-left-R7.
>
>      If I can work out how to use a simpler key, I'll put this in the FAQ.


I have in my .textswrc file:

KEY_TOP(4)	FILTER
cat $HOME/.signature

All I have to do is to press function key 4, with no control, shift
or left modifiers
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:44:26 CST
From: ku@issi.com
Subject: record and play back

Hi,

I am looking for a software to record and play back X events.
Does anyone know where to get the public domain source code or articles describing how to write this type of tool ?

William Ku
From: khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Hi All,

I've done a lot of searching recently for xterm, the program that works
as an Open Look "look-and-feel" application.  I have xterm from the
general X11R5 distribution at export.lcs.mit.edu and have it working.
But, that one is Xt based, I believe with the Scrollbar at the left, etc.

I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....


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From: steve@vigsun1.larc.nasa.gov (Steve Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: OpenWin2.0 Terminal
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:25:53
Organization: /home/vigyan/steve/.organization
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: vigsun1.larc.nasa.gov

Has anyone out there implemented a sun3 based x-terminal using OW2.0 and
not X11?

Is it worthwhile? We would like to be able to do things like use the
postscript previewer and develop applications using PHIGS on our
X-terminals. We feel OW2.0 would be more appropriate for using PEX/PHIGS

I do believe 2.0 is the latest rev for the sun3 architecture

Thanks,
 Steve Brown <steve@vigsun1.larc.nasa.gov>
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: can I run xview code on non-Sun machines?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:36:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



      I have been given some code which has xview calls in it. The
program ran on a Sun-4 with OpenWindows, and does things like
"#include xview/...". I don't know anything about xview. Could some
kind soul explain to me if I can 1) run this program on another
Sun which doesn't seem to have xview on it, and 2) run it on a VAX
running Ultrix or VMS? I've been told that it may be possible to
obtain an xview version that has been ported to other platforms. 
If you have any info on this, please email to
mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu. 

Mike Levin
From: martin@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Martin Spenceley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: SunSoft Windows Toolkits Positioning
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:09:34 GMT
Reply-To: martin@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
Originator: martin@wick

In article lg0f6pINNsak@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, mukerjee@sereno.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Mukerjee) writes:
>
>
>************************************************************************
>           SUNSOFT WINDOWS TOOLKITS POSITIONING
>************************************************************************
>There has been significant network traffic lately speculating on
>the current positioning and future support of SunSoft Windows
>Toolkits, specifically related to XView and OLIT. As with most
>rumors, much of the network traffic relating to XView has been
>in error. The brief statement below should put to rest the gossip,
>innuendo and inaccurate conclusions, and allow developers to
>get back to real work.
>
>WINDOWS TOOLKITS POSITIONING
>----------------------------
>OLIT is being offered by SunSoft as the recommended procedural toolkit for
>the X-community. The principal engineering effort for technical
>enhancements and new features is on OLIT. It is NOT the intention
>to have customers migrate their current XView applications to OLIT.
>We strongly encourage developers to use OLIT for any NEW
>applications that are being developed to take advantage of many new
>features and functionalities, and maintain compliance with the rapidly
>evolving STANDARDS for GUI development.
>
>
>Q7. Should I rewrite my application in OLIT?
>A7. No, we are not recommending rewriting existing XView applications in
>    OLIT.  However, we are strongly recommending using OLIT for developing
>    NEW applications.  Also, we strongly recommend use of OpenWindows
>    Developer's Guide for any GUI development.  Doing so allows quick
>    development and in addition enables smooth migration between OPEN LOOK
>    toolkits should one choose to migrate to OLIT in order to take advantage
>    of future enhancements.

Apart from throwing OLIT away and starting again! :-) What are the
future enhancements you talk of?

Will there be:
 - Good support for C++?
 - A more simple API (Xtintrinsics is an overly complicated, poorly
   implemented 'O-O' based system).
 - Runtime ability to display Motif (e.g. MoOLIT like?) :-)  

If Sun are so interested in implementing object-orientated systems, I
do not have much confidence in them using OLIT to provide a good o-o paradigm!
That is, without the need to rewrite the whole thing. Though I'm willing
to be convinced! :-)

On the whole I still think asking people to move to OLIT is a bad
idea.  When I do become efficient using it, I think I would still need to
allocate more development time in doing the same thing as in XView. :-(

Martin


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From: mling@jade.tufts.edu (Maurice CM Ling)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Devguide, File Selector (SUMMARY)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:07:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Hello Everyone,

Here is a summary of the responses I received to my questions:

> Three quick questions:
>1:  Is it possible to add widgets to devguide?
>2:  Is there a canned file selector available?
>3:  Is there a FAQ where these questions are answered?  :)

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From:  lee@sq.com (Liam Quin)

Three quick answers:
No, not directly; Yes; No


See the Guide manual for the toolkit you are using.
Guide supports XView the best; use that if you can, and then libguidexv has
a file chooser.

Lee
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From chrise@pierce.boeing.com (Chris Esposito):

If you look in the devguide `Xview code generator' manual, you will also
find descriptions for the file chooser, color chooser, and drag-and-drop 
interfaces.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the responses!  I had an old manual, which didn't even mention
any other devguide manuals.  After tracking down the new manuals, I found
the file chooser section.

-Maurice
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From: cs92bbm@brunel.ac.uk (Benjamin Middleton)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: MailTool3 and .signature files
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: cs92bbm@brunel.ac.uk
Organization: Brunel University

Why is it that my .signature file is not automatically appended to any mai
that I send? MailTool2 managed it alright. I currently have to paste it in
each time - NOT annoying!

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,alt.toolkits.xview
From: jsh@tecsrv23teradata.com (Jeff Hubeny)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Cut and Paste under x3270
Keywords: x3270 cut paste
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:42:12 GMT
Followup-To: jsh@tdat.elsegundoca.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR/Teradata Business Unit


  I'm using the x3270 application with OpenWindows. It uses the Xt Toolkit
  to intercept and dispatch keystrokes as 3270 key functions. Unfortunately,
  the copy and paste keys get intercepted too. Is there a way with minimal
  programming to pass the copy/paste keys to OpenWindows and implement standard
  copy/paste functions? Does the Xt toolkit provide selection services?
  Can I call OLIT or XView routines from an Xt application? 

  Please respond via E-mail to jsh@tdat.elsegundoca.ncr.com 

                                                       Thanks, Jeff
From: tca@cs.tu-berlin.de (Georg Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Openwindows Developers Guide 3.0
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:54:03 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: gundula.cs.tu-berlin.de

jl1@buoy.cis.ufl.edu (Jinjoo Lee) writes:
> 
> Hi. Does anyone know a good book/manual for the Openwindows Developers Guide?
> Any information on it will be greatly appreciated. 

I`m also interested in good books about DEVGUIDE 3.0.
SUN did only ship the usermanual for version 1.2. Does anybody know, if there
is a new documentation?

thanks.
Georg



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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: doc@fajita.saic.com (Thomas W. Dockery 6429)
Subject: Inserting text in PANEL_TEXT
Keywords: xview
Organization: SAIC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:09:21 GMT

I need to insert a character at the current caret location in a PANEL_TEXT.
Any ideas?  Because I am using Xview for kanji operation, I am restricted to
Sun OW 2.0-JLE, and thus Xview 2.0.

Also, how can I get a TEXTSW to recognise the numeric keypad with NumLock on?

Thanks,

Thomas W. Dockery
Market Focus Technologies division of SAIC
10260 Campus Point Drive
San Diego CA 92121 USA
619 546-6429
doc@fajita.saic.com

Dont blame SAIC for my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: XView
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:37:33 GMT

pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
> fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:
>>	Ever look at TNT?  Nice OOP, very Smalltalk-ish interface to
>>	NeWS.  Too bad its going away.

> [...] regarding TNT, sure
> i've seen it and it is more like what i want, definitely, and i
> might have adopted it if i had thought it would become mainstream
> (that dirty word!). but i dont really like postscript, i like it
> as an "image file format" but not as a programming environment (IMHO).

Well, NeWS and TNT is PostScript in the same way that C++ is the same as C,
or that C is the same as PDP-11 assembly.

It's true that TNT shares most of the PostScript syntax, and that most
PostScript programs are valid NeWS programs, just as most C programs are
valid C++ programs.  It's also true that NeWS manipulates the same basic
data types as PostScript, just as C manipulates the same basic data types as
PDP-11 assembly language programs.

NeWS also provides extra data types, such as User Paths and Canvases.
The NeWS Toolkit gives an object-oriented environment with message passing,
multiple inheritance, (limited) protection and data hiding.

The learning curve is very daunting, I'll grant you.
And since NeWS is going away, I wouldn't suggest learning TNT right now,
since, despite the note in the OpenWindows 3.0 manual that `a major goal of
this TNT release is to be forward compatible.  That is, programs written to
TNT 3.0 hould run successfully on future releases of the product' [p.86], the
future of TNT 3.0 appears to be rather short... :-(

Interestingly, the manual cotinues:
`We will only break this rule and change a supported interface in future
 releases if customers strongly endorse this.  We anticipate few if any
 such occurrences'.
[p. 86, OpenWindows Version 3 for SunOS 4.1.x User's Guide]

Well, I suppose deleting the toolkit counts as only one occurrence.  
I wonder how many customers complained that they didn't want TNT, though?

Sigh.

My advice is that TNT is worth looking at, even if you don't like PostScript,
because it might be a long time before you see such a well-designed, well
thought-out, well-implemented toolkit GUI again.

Lee


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From: Karl.Glazebrook@durham.ac.uk (Karl Glazebrook)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: olwm Title bar
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: Karl.Glazebrook@durham.ac.uk
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Durham

Is it possible to decrease thr thickness of the title bars of windows when
running OpenWindows? I've tried the obvious thing which is specifying
the olwm.TitleFont resource to a smaller font but this doesn't have any
effect on the thickness - I guess it is limited by the size of the 
little button?

There is also the olwm.minimalDecor resource but that gets rid of everything
including the title bar. I just want to keep the title bar albeit thinner
and the rest can go hang - including the button!

Any ideas ?

Karl

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From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Use R5 Fonts in X11/NeWS.
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:19:46 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu


  Is there a way to use R5 pcf fonts in xnews without converting pcf
fonts to bdf or PostScript fonts? I am going to install OpenWin 3.0 on
a SS2 and I have R5 installed. I believe I can use R5 Xlibs instead of
those come with OpenWin (R4), but can I use pcf font also?

  Thanks for your help.

  steve
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