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Subject: Re: Sydney 40 vs NZ 17
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:26:15 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul23.083337.3151@otago.ac.nz>, clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock) writes:
>     I don't think I have ever seen a more inept performance from an All Black
> halfback than the one Preston put on lastnight. He was continually hounded by
> his opposite number and had trouble finding his man with the pass. On top of
> this his tactical kicking doesn't warrant comment. Don't give me any bullshit
> about being behind a losing pack this display was attrocious and Bauchop should
> be recalled immeadiately.

Absolute rubbish wasn't it. He should be well versed with playing behind a
losing pack as he does it on th odd occasion he gets to play for Canterbury
:-).

>    Another appaling incident happened when Graeme Dowd felled the Sydney
> halfback, (who eventually left the field as a result) after the Sydney player
> came into a ruck from an offside position. The parochial New Zealand
> commentators only saw the offside offence and were slagging off the referee 
> for making a bad decision when the All Blacks were penalised, but Dowds punch
> was obvious to everybody else and he should have been sent for an early shower
> for yet another incident which is damaging an already unhappy tour for New
> Zealand. 

Well I don't agree with this summary. The punch was actually thrown by Graham
Purvis, not Dowd, and Eckert was blatantly offside for about the sixth time in
the match. He wasn't just around too quick he was a good two to three MERTRES
offside and had been for most of the night. IMHO the referee is totally to
blame here if he's not going to ping players who constantly infringe then
frustration will creep in and punches will be thrown. Hell - I would have
decked Eckert had I been playing.

While we're pointing fingers, what about Michael Brials innovative tactics at
the maul. On two occasions he stood, not bound and thus offside to begin with,
next to the foremost All Black and punched them repeatedly. The second occasion
saw him strike Steve McDowell on the arm about five or six times directly in
front of the linesman, who was standing less than a metre away. I suppose
that's not foul play though - I mean it's not as though he had a black jersey
on.

Let's get some consistency.

Alan
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Its great to be on top
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.130352.9610@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
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|I'd also be careful in bringing up racial issues.  Australia's fine treatment
|of its indigenous peoples speaks for itself.  I guess most Aborigines are too
|"hung up" to play the white man's game of rugby union.
|
|Richard.
|

You forgot that Ella brothers exist. Most Aborigines prefer Rugby League
because it's the more popular code in Australia. And League players have
the chance to become rich. Union in Australia is really an amateur game 
although steps have been taken recently to ensure that players get a small 
portion of the money generated by increased interest in Union. As I 
understand it, New Zealand Union players have been getting money for
playing the game although it has been concealed in various forms, such as
being employed as PR man for certain companies. Wait till Auckland is 
admitted into Winfiels League competition, Union players in NZ will 
switch to League in droves.




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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Australian tour to South Africa - itinerary
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:39:29 GMT

From "The Eastern Province Herald", Port Elizabeth, July 29, 1992

Tue Aug 11 vs Western Transvaal at Potchefstroom
Fri Aug 14 vs Northern Transvaal in Pretoria
Tue Aug 18 vs Eastern Province in Port Elizabeth
Sat Aug 22 vs South Africa at Newlands, Cape Town

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Subject: Re: Musings on the game...
From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:21:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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In article: <1992Jul22.124338.3146@otago.ac.nz> (Clive Boock) writes:

>  Musings on the Game

>   An interesting statistic heard on the radio this morning; the current test
>series is the first time in 13 years that the All Blacks have lost two tests in
>succession. I wonder how long it has been since they lost 3 in a row?
 
I think it was 1970-71. New Zealand lost the last two tests on the tour of
South Africa in 1970, then lost the first test against the 1971 British Lions.

> All this talk of the All Blacks being as good a team as the Wallabies seems
>just bullshit to me. The Wallabies have won 4 of the last 5 games the two
>teams have played and the game the All Blacks won was that strange match in
>Auckland when Fox and Lynagh missed all those kicks at goal because the match
>balls were incorrectly inflated. 

I think it is 5 out of 6! :-(
-1990 third test, A win
-1991 first test, A win
-1991 second test, NZ win
-1991 World Cup, Awin
-1992 first test, A win
-1992 second test, A win

>   I hate the All Blacks losing as much as anyone but lets be realistic about
>the whole thing and not invent talents that the team doesn't have. The excuse
>we have to use is that we are in a rebuilding phase and our real aim is to get
>the mix of players right before the next World Cup. Australia still have the
>team which won the World Cup and naturally they are the best team in the world
>at the moment. Remember how dominant the All Blacks were following the 1987
>victory?

That's right. The World Cup should be seen as far and away the MOST IMPORTANT
event.

>    I hope the players and referees adapt to these new rules soon as Sundays
>game was not a good demonstration of how the new rules can add to the games
>appeal for spectators. Sure the Ballymore crowd loved the game; its the first
>time the Wallabies have beaten the All Blacks there since 1928!! but it was to
>stop-start for my liking and the only thing that kept it interesting was the
>closness of the scores.

>Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand. 

Sydney sure adapted to the new rules last night!! :-(
They showed that the rolling maul is not a lost art as a means of both
relieving pressure from your own and a springboard to launch attacks
forcing the opposition loosies to try and halt it, thus giving your backs
space to run, and time to weigh up options.

Rob Lynn
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From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Can someone from South Africa post news about AB tour?
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:06:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.041820.19082@megadata.mega.oz.au> andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae) writes:
>Subject: Can someone from South Africa post news about AB tour?
>From: andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae)
>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:18:20 GMT
>Can someone from South Africa post regular news about the
>AB tour? Perhaps not *just* about the tour game scores, but about
>the reactions within SA about the first big Rugby tour for 20 years.
>
>It would be interesting to hear how people are reacting, what
>the AB's think themselves about the tour, and so on.
>
>Cheers,
>Andrew McRae (andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au)

Well, I can tell you that here in Durban there is considerable exitment
about Saturdays' game, tickets are now impossible to get, but for those
of us lucky enough, we should watch a good game.
Many people here (Natal) think that Natal has a better chance than the Bok
side against the ABs. The reason being that Natal has played together well
all season, whereas the Boks have never really played together, and they only
get together two days before the test.

Mike



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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Its great to be on top
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:35:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.130352.9610@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>
>At least our national coachs are not caught molesting young men in public
>lavatories...nor do we aspire to become a new USA through nauseating patriotism


I think,unless you were in those lavatories,that you should check the facts.
I don't particularly like the guy,but his private(near public) life is his
own.What you are stating is pure spite,hardly within the spirit of the game.



>(thank God the spontaneous singing of the national anthem has never become
>fashionable outside National Party meetings).

Gee did I miss God Defend New Zealand ?
Andrew Denton of Live and Sweaty has just released a record called
"As long as we beat New Zealand ",maybe you could take that up as your patriot
song............

>
>I'd also be careful in bringing up racial issues.  Australia's fine treatment
>of its indigenous peoples speaks for itself.  I guess most Aborigines are too
>"hung up" to play the white man's game of rugby union.

Ever heard of the Ella Bros. Mark ? Glen ? Thought not....
just dont worry about it.
Next time we play cricket don't forget the underarm story again....


>
>Richard.

Loe I pressume ?
From: paulb@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Paul Bean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RL World Cup Final
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:41:27 GMT

Basically I just want to know where it is.  I was under the impression
that it was to be held in England at Wembley, however Chapeltown Rd(GB
RL HQ) say that it has yet to be decided.  What is going on, it is
only a few months away now.

thanks in advance Paul 
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: NZ beats Oz 26-23. Tour comments.
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:50:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.114232.6062@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:

.......deleted........

|an affectionate bear-hug on an oppo man in a maul could be considered unmanly
|and likely to bring disrepute to the game  ;-)  ].  And I bet they don't show
|the scene of Coker thumping the shit out of Fitzpatrick; on Oz TV !  And 
|while we're speaking of awful NZ rough play, how about the DREADFUL way
|Fitzy stood up in a tackle, thus provoking Scott-Young into mistackling him
|so that he knocked himself silly and had to leave the field. This *terrible*
|rough play by the AB's has simply GOT to stop; calling the game "physical"
|is just no excuse.... 

Sean Fitzpatrick is a thug. He delivered a good upper-cut to Coker when Coker's
eyes were searching for the ball. Young Troy was stupid enough to retaliate
in the wrong end of the field. It costed the Wallabies 3 points. But in that
situation, there are probably a few players in the world who wouldn't get 
angry with Fitzpatrick's rough play. It is beyond my comprehension that
a captain of a respectable test team could do such a thing. But, again,
if you look closely at Fitzpatrick, he does have some resemblance with
Mike Tyson. Sometimes the urge is just to strong to resist. 

...........deleted............
|
|a touch in midfield, but this was cancelled by the definite Oz superiority at 
|halfback. Truly, Farr-Jones is a gold mine.   His captaincy is marvellous,
|especially the way he gets away with chatting up the ref (as I was insisting
|captains *should* do, earlier). And now that he is putting the ball into the
|scrum on time, I don't think there's a fault to his game. I love the way he
|refuses to take any shit from anyone. His whole attitude is terrific; it will 
|be a big loss when this marvellous competitor finally leaves the game.
|

Yeah. Sean Fitzpatrick is nothing compared to Nick Farr-Jones. It's like
comparing a thug with a gentleman or Hitler with Mahatma Gandhi. If only
AB can get a captain like Farr-Jones.............


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From: vincent@cowan.edu.au (V.PHILLIPS)
Subject: Re: Oz coverage of AB tour
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:31:44 GMT

danielbt@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Brett Daniel) writes:

>Anyone know which, if any games of the AB's tour to Sth Africa will be
>shown on Channel 10?
>--

The test match will be shown live!!!! :-)


Vincent Phillips
Edith Cowan University
Perth, Western Australia
v.phillips@cowan.edu.au
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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.000401.21425@cs.sfu.ca> scott@cs.sfu.ca (Scott Barney) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.213407.24279@news.columbia.edu> pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul30.203933.5711@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> swamp@bnr.ca writes:
>>>  ...       - has rugby ever been an olympic sport? It would seem to me
>>>that it has a larger following than roller hockey.
>>
>>
>>I think it used to be an Olympic sport (long ago), but was deemed too
>>rough (!) (And no Americans play....).
>>
>Actually, It seems to me that the last (and only?) time rugby was
>played in the Olympics (as you say, long ago, the year escapes me) the
>Americans took the gold medal. 

OK, OK, sorry :-)

My real point was that olympic rule changes (e.g., allowing NBA players
in basketball, etc.) seem to be aimed at making money in the US.  I had
no idea the US were the currnt olympic rugby champs - perhaps it should
be included to redress that! :-) (in case you couldn't tell).

In my opinion, since rugby has a perfectly good world cup, why play it
in the olympics?  The olympic soccer competition seems to provide a 
perfect example for why not.

>Scott

Cheers, Paul

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From: andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae)
Subject: Can someone from South Africa post news about AB tour?
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:18:20 GMT

Can someone from South Africa post regular news about the
AB tour? Perhaps not *just* about the tour game scores, but about
the reactions within SA about the first big Rugby tour for 20 years.

It would be interesting to hear how people are reacting, what
the AB's think themselves about the tour, and so on.

Cheers,
Andrew McRae (andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au)
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Subject: University rugby world cup.
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:37 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

Many thanks to Franco Properzi for posting the results of the student rwc for
us. I'm sure a great many of us appreciate the effort. (Did you not manage to
find the scores from the pool games, Franco ?)  

Maybe some of us didn't appreciate the results, though ! NZ thoroughly trounced
in the final, by France. Franco told me in an email, how France was seething
for revenge; after their defeats by NZ in the '87 WC, and again in the '88 1st
university WC, which apparently was initiated by France in an attempt to gain
revenge for "87.   Well, they've finally done it, and how!  21-9, after trailing
9-6 at half time.       WARMEST CONGRATULATIONS to France.
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          \           | At this rate we'll even lose to South Africa !!
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            \\        | had to go off through injury.  I recall saying a
             )`--')   | month or 2 ago, how this guy looked very impressive
            <  o /    | in the trials, but I wondered if he wasn't of too
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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Its great to be on top
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.130352.9610@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>
>At least our national coachs are not caught molesting young men in public
>lavatories...nor do we aspire to become a new USA through nauseating patriotism
>(thank God the spontaneous singing of the national anthem has never become
>fashionable outside National Party meetings).

Nah, you just do a funny little dance before the game :-).

>
>I'd also be careful in bringing up racial issues.  Australia's fine treatment
>of its indigenous peoples speaks for itself.  

Nothing to do with the original point.

>I guess most Aborigines are too
>"hung up" to play the white man's game of rugby union.

Actually, they prefer to play Aussie Rules, to which they are more
physically suited.

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Subject: Re: Oh wail; oh woe !
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:51:15 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <9482@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony) writes:
> BTW does anyone know what the value of a drop goal is under the new
> rules? I had heard rumours that it might be reduced to 2 points, but
> haven't been able to confirm one way or the other, since both Fox and Lygnah
> missed the mark.

Still three points.

Alan
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Subject: Further comments
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:05:53 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

As the Loe business simmers on still; I thought I would repost to   .rugby
some comments made by an Australian (N.B. !), to me in a personal email.
He wishes to remain anonymous. I thought his summary was a breath of fresh
air; it's a pity most other Okkers didn't form a similar view.

-----
 Personally, I think all the outcry
is a storm in a teacup.  Loe was unlucky that he actually busted Carroza's nose
and the blood was so obvious.  I still think he should have been marched for
it though.  I've seen players get away with far worse than that.
-----

He also sensibly added...

-----
I'm just glad the wallabies have won a series which could easily have gone the
other way.  I still think the aussies were the best side overall (but not by 
much)
-----
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                      | altogether-out-of-this-world better.
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             )`--')   | was badly damaged by a series of harsh reffing
            <  o /    | decisions that turned narrow wins to narrow losses,
             `\  /    | and convincing victories to narrow wins.
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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re:NZFRU and Loe 
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:21:06 GMT

12pm 22 July 1992 ABC News.2BL(AM)

The New Zealand Rugby Union today cleared Richard Loe of foul play
in last Sundays test against Australia.The said that Loe had no case
to answer and intend to let the matter rest.
The ARU spokesman said,that if the NZRU have deemed this to be consistent
with the spirit of the game then perhaps they should be looked at.


My Say..

Since the deciding body is and always will be,unless someone cites Loe
in New Zealand, the purveyors of justice.They should be isolated from
the team management/coaching staff.
No one I've spoken to has any doubt(forget Hamish) that Loe deserved to be 
sent home.If the NZRFU is to be seen as fair,then SOMEONE should cite
him before the home National Body.

As for my protest,I'll give the third test a miss IF loe is in the team.
(so no-one cares,but the satisfaction will be worth it ).
This goose will maime someone for life ,soon.Rugby has no credence anymore.!

One disgruntled (ex)fan.
From: dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: National Club 7's Championships, 8/22-8/23
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: dmarshal@aviary.UUCP (David Marshall - Paramax)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Reston, VA


The national club 7's championships will be help August 22-23 in Alexandria,
VA at Lee District Park.  The All-Star 7's will be held the same weekend as
well.

Most of the games are free, but I recall that they charge a few bucks to watch
the championship match.

E-mail me if you want more specific directions.
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                                           Dave Marshall
                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com
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