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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Pro Sports Again Shows Death Wish
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:56:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.135451.28255@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
>
>Scott Taylor's column in Sunday's Winnipeg Free Press:
> 
>  Has the idiots in Calgary not offered Selanne $1.5 million to sign, the Jets
>could have inked the speedy Finn for $400,000 a year - period.
>However, Selanne got the big buck and his fortune won't go unnoticed by other
>players and agents.
>  THE BONEHEADED FLAMES have set an ugly precedent by offering a huge amount of
>moneyto an unproven European rookie.  The Jets HAD to sign Selanne, but as a
>result the entire market place has been given a kick in the jock.
>

Exactly how many times have I heard Scott Taylor call Glen Sather and
the Oilers cheap on MIDDAY...

>  Every Scandanavian with a little speed is now worth more than Gretzky.
>Meanwhile, what's going to happen to the Flames when they try and sign their
>stars in the next few years?  Agents never forget.
>

The Flames have more money than the Oilers and the Jets...they've given
notice that they are going to wage war financially as well as on the
ice.  Sather and Smith are going to have to be smarter than Risebrough.

>  But whats happened to the Jets in the past few months isn't unique to the
>         NHL.
>  [Details of self-destructive CFL moves ...]
> 
>  [ Comments on cut-throats baseball owners omitted.]
> 
>  Porfessional sport gets what it deserves and you can't blame the players.
>Thanks to egomanical owners, greedy agents and dumb TV executives, pro sports 
>nearing the financial abyss.  And in the middle are the Alexei Zhamnovs of the
>world.... players who sign contracts under duress---while vacationing on the
>beaches of Malta!
> 
> Now wonder ticket prices are so high.

For the Winnipeg fan who was boasting about Mike Smith's ability
to sign players a few short weeks ago...all I can say is....

Welcome to the Jungle.

Gerald

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:59:08 GMT

iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:

>- must fight rats inside the Garden
>- make playoffs each year but never win cup
>- have never had a great American born player
>- cheapest GM in hockey
>- goal judges are biased
>- Ray Bourque, one of the great defenseman of all time, but 
>  no Stanley Cups
>- Guy Lafleur scoring big goal in 78 final
>- petr Klima scoring big goal in triple overtime in 89 final
>- Jay Miller losing fight against door in 86 playoffs
>- do not have the team to compete with rest of the league (92-93 edition)
>- farm team is short on good young talent
>- Bruin fans are among the dummest in hockey;(they litter the
> ice for no reason) 
>- They cannot get it into their heads that they don't have what
>  it takes to win the Cup
>- ugliest uniform in hockey

You forgot:
---Second most wins in NHL history
---Fourth most Stanley Cups in NHL history.
---Fourth highest winning percentage in NHL history.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme)
Subject: Re: east coast league question - louisville
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:00:56 GMT

In article <sefE0uW00WAJ52db0j@andrew.cmu.edu> "Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 2-Sep-92 east coast league
>question .. by Stacey Ross@cdc001.austi 
>>From: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
>>Subject: east coast league question - louisville
>>Date: 2 Sep 92 20:01:02 GMT
>> 
>>I am a student at the university of louisville on a co-op in austin, tx.
>>I have enjoyed louisville Icehawks games for quite some time. I heard a 
>>rumor that the Icehawks franchise went under. Is that true?
>> 
>>I would appreciate a response on the newsgroup, I have no email access. thanks
>>.
>> 
>>and my editor's acting weird, I don't usually type in all lower case...
>> 
>> 
>>                                                        Stace
>To the best of my knowledge the Louisville team still exists. Perhaps
>someone else knows a bit more? Please send (or at least Carbon-Copy) all
>followups to the rec.sport.hockey group if you can.
>
>-D
>
>

I believe the Louisville Icehawks are still together.  They have the
same owner as the Columbus Chill and are on this years game schedule
for the Chill.

Now, if the Columbus managers ever get their act together and 
straighten out the Coliseum schedule, maybe we'll see these teams
play this winter.

David DeLorme
AT&T Bell Labs
Columbus, Ohio

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Best forwards ever?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:24:01 GMT

In article <RICH.92Sep10115058@quik.clearpoint.com> rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.114146.7568@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>   Stan continues: "Conclusion: Over a five-year period no one can match the
>   consistency and arsenal of the 1956-60 Canadiens. Given time, though,
>   Pittsburgh just might."
>  
>Please remember the UNFAIR French Canadian rule which brought these players
>to Montreal. Because of this rule, the Canadiens had the most unfair
>advantage in hockey history when it came to drafting players. There is a
>great book on this subject "Don't Remember the Title" that tells of all
>the players they drafted through this rule, and all the players they would
>have had if the rule was still active. It's scary seeing the players in the
>league today who would have been Montreal property. At least the Penguins
>have picked up their arsenal the correct way. They didn't have the deck
>stacked in their favor. 
>

All six teams in the fifties had their players signed almost from the cradle...
the preferential Quebec rule for Montreal was when the NHL began moving
away from clubs teams from the cradle to the draft system during the
sixties.  The Canadiens of the fifties had no special
advantages...except that French Canadiens players were attracted to
sign with their organization for obvious reasons.

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: New rules in USENET draft
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:50:38 GMT



>> arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel) writes:

>>There are many rules I would like to get changed in the USENET draft:

>>-A shorter period between price list publication and the time limit to 
>>  sell and buy new players.  For example, participants could sell and buy
>>  from Tuesday to Friday only.  At the present state of the rules, one can
>>  compile the whole week's stats before making his choice, which is almost 
>>  a sure win from week to week.  Always buy the player of the week, unless
>>  it's a goalie!


> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Since a person has to hold a player for six weeks, I don't think this
>matters...if you have to hold the player for another five weeks, an
>extra day or twos worth of stats is irrelevant.

I have to disagree with this. I greatly appreciate the effort put in to keep
this pool going, but it's because of the above rule that I can no longer play
in it. I think I finished 2nd or 3rd last year (I was the "Splunge" team) and
the main reason I did so well was because I simply bought whatever player
scored the highest percentage of points each week. And every week I asked for
a listing of all the transactions of the top 10 teams, and more often than not,
we had all bought and sold the same players! So although some knowledge of
hockey is helpful (especially when you originally draft your team) the only
players who can seriously contend are those who keep track of every player's
stats on a weekly basis. If you miss one or two weeks where a key buy is
critical (I think Gretzky was going for as low as 68 points one week and he
finished up at 120-something) you're screwed.

Again, I hate to criticize anyone who makes an effort to run a pool (I run
many each year and it's a real hassle) but unless the above rule is changed,
I feel the strategic part of the game is dissipated.

Gerald - you said that the fact that you have to hold on to a player for 6
weeks negates any gains you may have made in scooping him up at a bargain
price, but more often than not, that is untrue. Numerous players had such
huge 1-week gains last year that even if they were seriously injured the
day after you bought them, you'd still make a small profit on them (or at
least your loss would be miminal). Sure, if you buy guys who's point totals
increased by 5% or so, then what you said is true, but most of the top teams
last year purchased only the big fish each week. And if there were no big fish
to purchase, they either stood pat, or sold a guy who's drop was huge and held
onto the cash until a big fish came along.

 _____________________________________________________________________________
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From: CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: UNFAIR? HABS
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:19:31 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Lets not forget each team each had its own territory protected by
this rule Leafs was Ont. This was slavery at its finest, today
or someday soon there won't be a draft or teams will have only
1 year to sign player or he will become total free agent. We
weren't that far from it, if Lindros challenges in American court
goodbye draft. Many doubters to this, even more against it but its
coming.(Blacks & Women) can vote!!! A Flash of time ago profesional
players on 1 team had players pay for broken hockey sticks.
TEAM WAS GREAT REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS PUT TOGETHER.

P.S. No one seems to mention Team Canada or Russian team of 1972

Was there a better line than V.Kharmolov, Maltov & Yakashev.

    The BIG "D"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: New poll questions (attn: college and Europe fans)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:35:19 GMT

The first question is:
What question(s) would you like me to poll rsh readers on?

Second question:
What style of hockey do you believe is the most exciting and
WHY? 
 
Is it: NHL/minor leagues, college, juniors, international, European, other?

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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Best forwards ever?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.092214.27025@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>In <RICH.92Sep10115058@quik.clearpoint.com> rich@quik.clearpoint.com writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep10.114146.7568@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
>>  
>
>>   Stan continues: "Conclusion: Over a five-year period no one can match the
>>   consistency and arsenal of the 1956-60 Canadiens. Given time, though,
>>   Pittsburgh just might."
>
>>  
>>Please remember the UNFAIR French Canadian rule which brought these players
>>to Montreal. Because of this rule, the Canadiens had the most unfair
>>advantage in hockey history when it came to drafting players......
>
>>Rich
>
>If you speak about the great Montreal teams of the late fifties, with
>the players like: Jean Beliveau, Maurice 'Rocket' Richard, Henry *Pocket
>Rocket' Richard, Bernie 'Boom Boom' Geoffrion, Dickie Moore and Bernt
>Olmstead, there is hardly no talk about the drafting. Before the expansion
>there was no draft but the teams had their own junior teams to develop
>the players. After the draft was started the Canadiens had an option to
>draft two francophones if they did so during the first two rounds......
>
>- Lauri Tarkkonen

Lauri

True there was no draft in the 50's.  
True teams had their own junior teams to develop players.

What I think you are uninformed of are the rules that required all
"francophones" to pass through Montreal's junior teams.

If you were born in the province of Quebec (and parts of other provinces
if I remember right) Montreal had to release you before you could play
junior hockey for another organization.

These rules were in effect for a long time and could be very confusing.
They not only affected the Montreal but also players like Gordy Howe
(He signed to play with a junior team, Gulph I think, but was not allowed
to compete beacues he was from a different geographic location.)

These rules were rarely published and seldom spoken of by the NHL.  I will try
to dig through my research notes and cite some sources for you.  I think you
will find it very inteweresting.

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From: 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Announcing the Sixth Annual USENET Hockey Draft
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:14:36 GMT

>In article <1992Sep10.033127.8773@idacom.hp.com> andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) writes:
>>(The only changes are the change to 84 games from 80
>>and a minimum price increase to 60.0 from 50.0.)

From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
>Andrew, why are you moving the minimum price...this will make things
>more boring...please keep it at 50, or even better lower it to 45 or
>40, which would really make things exciting.  By raising it to 60
>for only a 4 game increase, you are taking a lot of players out of
>play...and thus make skill in player-picking less important.

For this season only, it's probably better to raise the minimum; there are a
number of new Russians who can probably easily score more than 50 points in 84
scheduled games this season.  After this season, a more fair price structure
for Russians can be derived, and hence, there may not be a need to raise the
minimum price, which is also the price for first-year players.  In addition,
the new NHL rules will probably allow for greater offensive production from many
players.  A 55-point minimum would be a good compromise for this season.

I won't be taking part in the Draft myself, BTW.


Glenn
From: lisa@askinc.ASK.COM (Lisa Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sharks/Warriors tickets
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:21:32 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Anyone interested in trading Warriors tickets for Sharks tickets?

I  use to have season tickets for both, but gave up the Warriors
tix this year.  SO I'm looking to trade some Sharks games for
some Warriors games.  The seats are pretty good (sec 23, row D),
$68.00 a pair (includes preferred parking) and I'm looking for
Warriors tickets of equal value.  Like 8-10 games would be very
cool and it doesn't matter much about the teams they would be
playing.

If interested, please e-mail me.
thanks!

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: A progresive NHL on the verge of stardom?
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:16:20 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Aug26.203631.28187@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>Do you think that this post-Ziegler period could be the re-birth of the
>NHL?  

No need to be born again. They already have a great product. Most of the people who run the
league,though, don't have any understanding how marketing and advertising works
in the U.S. Maybe in Canada but not the States.

>Could the NHL be the NBA of the 90s?
It already has its share of superstars. Unforunately,the fools of the NHL
love to keep secrets.

> By the end of the decade, will we find a weekly game on American
>free-TV that the networks pay for?

We'll find the game but having it 'free' is a slim chance.
The viewers will always pay thru the middle man - the advertiser.

>
>And, will there be Competition for the TV contract?
>My god, let's hope so!

Let's ask Bo. Because BO knows the Show!


>Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
>University of Michigan Class of 1996
>East Quad - Cooley

-Mark
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Lindros and Rheaume notes
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:32:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep15.130552.15166@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> Eric Lindros will not play Sunday in Quebec. The FLYERS fear a bad
> fan reaction and have decided that he will stay in Philly. The morning
> guys on the local all-sports radio shows were chuckling over the
> possibility that this was being done to hurt ticket sales in Quebec
> for that game as a slap in the face to Aubut (knowing the net, I
> guess I should explicitly point out that they were probably not serious).

I heard the report on WIP, too.  I think it goes back to what Eric
told the Nordiques from the very beginning.  He doesn't want to play
in Quebec:-).

> They showed some clips of Manon Rheaume on our local ABC affiliate,
> (one of which was a press conference...I know why Playboy offered her
> some money now...Al and the boys were commenting on that as well)
> and it's been announced that she will play against Minnesota this
> weekend. Go get 'em Manon!

In other words, Pete, you'd really love to throw her a puck:-)?


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From: RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: PENGUINS TICKETS FOR SALE
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:10:29 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


  Greetings to all you Penguins fans out there.  Being a Penn Stater, I can't
go to all the games this season, even though it'd be nice if I could!!!!
  Anybody who wants to go to a game and needs a couple, just drop me a note and
 I'll let you know if the tickets for that game are available and how you can
 purchase them off me.
                        'Look Out Loretta'!!!!!!!!!!!


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Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:27:32 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Neutral site games


On 10-Sep-92 in Neutral site games           
user Rob Callum@CS.YALE.EDU writes:
>	I was wondering if anyone has a list of the dates and teams which are 
>playing at neutral sites this year. I wouldn't mind the whole list, by I'm
>particularly interested in the who and the when of the games in Cinci, Cleve.,
>and Providence. Thanks a lot


On 21-Aug-92 in Neutral Site Schedule, I wrote:
>According to Friday's Greensburg (PA) Tribune-Review, the neutral site games:
> 
>Tue 10/13:  Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon
>Tue 10/20:  Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton
>Tue 11/03:  Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis
>Tue 11/17:  Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton
>Wed 11/18:  Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton
>Tue 12/01:  Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee
>Tue 12/08:  Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix
>Wed 12/09:  Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami
>Sun 12/13:  Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City
>Tue 12/15:  New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas
>Tue 12/29:  St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Birmingham  **
>Mon 01/04:  San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento
>Mon 01/18:  Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatchewan
>Mon 02/08:  Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta
>Tue 02/16:  Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati
>Sat 02/20:  Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax
>Mon 02/22:  New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento
>Mon 02/22:  Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland
>Tue 02/23:  Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon
>Mon 03/01:  Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton
>Thu 03/11:  Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon
>Tue 03/16:  Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee
>Tue 03/16:  New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence  **
>Sun 03/21:  Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland
> 
>** Location subject to change
> 
>It seems that each team is listed once on each side of the "vs." in the
>schedule, so I assume that the "right" team is the "home" team in each case.

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