From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:03:32 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <92321.1415442893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

# In article <1992Nov15.010443.5639@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:

# >From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>

# ># In article <1992Nov7.234043.8319@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
# ># makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:

# ># >In article <92312.0345472893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
# ># ><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

# ># ># In article <1N4PTB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
# ># >(Manfredo
# ># ># Tichauer) says:

# ># ># >makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# ># ># >> # Would you support an American Kahane who proposed expelling all
# ># ># >non-Christ-
# ># ># >> # ians from the USA?

# ># ># Would he have paid Hitler money to expel the Jews from Europe? My father
# ># ># recalls reading in a Betar newspaper in the mid 30s that the Nazis were
# ># >right
# ># ># in arguing the Jews have no place in Germany and encouraging the Nazis
# ># ># to expel the Jews. It's this sort of smug, Machiavellian,
# >ends-justifies-the
# ># ># means thinking often comes from the far right that gives me the chills.

# ># >        Did you read the context?  Could it have been they had no place
# ># >because of what was going to happen to them?  Jabotinsky for one

# ># Frankly, considering that Betar's paper had an ariticle called
# ># "From the Notebook of a Fascist" which promoted their brand of Zionism, it's
# ># hard, in context, to see this as a criticism by Betar of the fascists.

# >        Other than they may have been stupid, what does that prove?  I
# >have been told that until the late 1960's, many Israeli soldiers used
# >to carry around pictures of Joseph Stalin.
 
# It proves that many Betarniks were openly sympathetic to fascism.

	Oh really?  From one article?

# Until after the Holocaust of course when they claimed to be the Nazis
# biggest foes, rather hypocritically

	Ya.  Such hypocrisy to oppose Nazism.

# ># >        I'll bet you would have chosen expulsion as compared to what
# ># >happened.

# ># Betar also had this song they used to sing, one of the lines went
# ># "Germany for Hitler, Italy for Mussolini and Palestine for us"

# >        At what time?
 
# Mid to late 1930s.   How is the time relevant, that they were once openly
# pro facist and later denied this fact proves only their mendacity.

	Who, at that time, knew what their facism would lead to?

# ># >--
# ># >"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, f
# >i
# ># >that pleases you."

# ># Why not ask Betar, I'm sure they'll make a contribution.

# >        It seems as though you are a better candidate.
 
# My family resisted the Nazis while Betarniks openly sympathised with them
# How does that make me a better candiate than Betar? While Betar was singing
# the praises of Mussolini, my father's organisation was helping lead the
# Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and you say I'm a better candidate? What nerve!

	You obviously know nothing about Betar.  jabotinsky was warning
about what would happen for years prior.  It was those that opposed
Betar that tried to have Jabotinsky muzzled and therfore share in the
blame for what happened.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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