HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why it is easier to encourage more children than require less
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: New York University

pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:


>    In article <1992Oct5.144430.27532@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu 
>    (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>      
>    >> 
>    >Don't forget that Mao awarded so called "mather heros" in late 1950s for
>    > having  
>    >more than 7 children. Many Chinese were as stupid as you still are now. They  
>    >simply did not question the authoritis. They simply followed their "great  
>    >leeader".
>    >
>    >Carl
>    
>I have found lots of bogus reasonings in political debates (please take notice
>where I am posting this message).  The most striking format was and still is:

>Promise:    If A then B
>Fact:                 B
>-----------------------
>Conclusion:           A

>Carl's paragraph seems to have the following rationale (proclaim: I said
>"seems" but not "does".  It is likely that it "doesn't" but I just want to use
>it to make a point.  So I won't bother if anyone argues it really "doesn't"):

>Promise:    If "X is stupid" then "X will do such"
>Fact:                             "X did such"
>--------------------------------------------------
>Conclusion:                       "X is stupid"

I was about to write a post on this, but gave up. This is not
the first time I saw Carl argues like that, the following is
an example:

Ze Yang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26795 talk.politics.china:1565
From: rgong@bingham.utah.edu (Ruoming Gong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:22:32 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

In article <1992Oct2.010952.1@gsbacd.uchicago.edu> phd_d8@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.012336.2587@news.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.181651.27728@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>>>
>>>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.
>> 
>>     I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.
>> 
>	I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover ALL WORLD PEOPLE.
>

        You know what these guys mean?  How about this:

        I still hate the bill, unless this bill can only cover ME.

Never mind, i am just kidding. Seriously, i support the bill.

Gong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:32:51 GMT

In article <lcei1vINNk2j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <92Sep23.154131edt.55@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>Yes we do know.  
>>
>>Sure they are free to talk, walk, and FIGHT.  Do you know why?  Jiang
>>can't control Li ZongRen or Bei CongXi, if he arrest them, GuangXi(Gui)
>>armies will up in revolt.  Li hated Jiang, that's why he would return
>>to Beijing in the 60s rather than go to Taiwan. 

>
>Then why Li was poisioned after he returned? (by CCP)
>

      
    I just doubt if this Mr. Lin is a professional rumor-maker. 
He seems to be a kind of out-of-date KMT hardliner. I just hope  
Chiang not dead and gave him a position of Secretary of Propaganda.
Many of his viewpoints are even quite different from the current KMT
in Taiwan. It's very tiredsome of his meaningless air-talking.
    Mr. Lin, please modernize yourself first! 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: root@iedv7.acd.com ( Root )
Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:43:46 GMT

In article <28574@life.ai.mit.edu> pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>
>>   From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
>>   Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
>>   Message-ID: <1992Sep29.130839.20042@acd4.acd.com>
>>   Date: 29 Sep 92 13:08:39 GMT
>>   References: <BvBMo9.B38@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>>   
>>   CB radio serves practically as a broadcast machine and abusing CB radio 
>>   can cause many conceivable damages. So responsiblity here is required. 
>>   Although I don't have any CB radio, but I believe you can only use the 
>>   CB radio sold in the store without a license. If you want to construct 
>>   your own radio device, you still need to have a license. I reach this 
>>   conclusion because I know that you still need to get a license to be 
>>   an amature radio operator. 
>
>I bet when millions join amature radio activities, the licensing will
>practically stop.  So this paragraph does not support your argument either.

I don't see such a day coming. The amature radio was born long before CB radio
and the license is still required. Don't just rely on your own imagination.
___
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Pi3 Fu1's responsibility
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:08:51 GMT

In article <9210061725.AA04680@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          Also related to the concept of pi3 fu1 is what Gu4 Ting2
>          Lin2 (east forest party member?  Also named gu4 yan2 wu3)
>          said about china:
>
>                 Guo2 jia1 xing1 wang2, pi3 fu1 you3 ze2.
>                 (Single men can save China)
>
Are you sure Pi Fu is single men. From all its usage, should be men only
no matter married or not.
 
...
>
>          Tu Ya

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: Oct. 1, greedcard, and others
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:54 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:15:00 GMT

          Lix writes:

              "pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
              ( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)

          My basic view about the chinese culture is:

              "pi2 fu1 wu2 zui4, zhang3 chuang1 qi2 zui4."
              ( the skin is not the problem, the disease on it is)

          Because

              "pi2 zhi1 wu2 cun2, mao2 jiang1 yan1 fu4?"
              (no skin, no hair)

          Regarding Mao and Zhu Yuan Zhang, I think they are different
          in some ways, but they are common on one thing:  The are
          leaders at the same level in the history.  Deng at most is a
          qian2 long2 emperor, he doesn't match qin2 huang2 and han4
          wu3, while Mao does.

          Let us put it this way, Mao and Zhu are tuan2 zhang3, but
          Deng is a Pai2 zhang3.  Li Peng is -- a comfort woman, or at
          most a ma3fu1 :-).

          Carl writes:

              Let all chinese go back, including ABCs.

          I would urge people to think a question: what if the current
          bill enrolled says:  Deport all CSS in the U.S.?

          1.  Will Bush sign it?
          2.  What will group A do?
          3.  What will group B do?
          4.  What will Shannon Yeh do?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mece2az@jane.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.224310.27573@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>In article <2AD21004.22944@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
>writes:
>> I thought that many Chinese people in China did not understand what was 
>> cooking here.  But I am wrong!  Whenever I arbitrarily talk with any friend 
>> of mine in China, they know who those CSS are, and they know what those CSS 
>> are trying to do.
>> 
>> However, the situation is a little bit "confusing" this time: the US  
>government
>> is quiet on this blood card bill; and the Chinese government is quiet, too,
>> on this blood card bill.  The only party who is angry toward this blood card
>> bill is the Chinese people such as Shannon Yeh.  The reason for the White
> 
>Because you are jealous for whatever reasons even though probably you have  
>already had a card. You just can not calm down your anger towards others'  
>success and better lives in the future.
> 
> 
>> House to be quiet is so that they cannot see any direct benefit from granting
>> this bill; the reason for the Chinese government to be quiet is so that they
>> feel "losing-face" if they over-react to this "Chinese-sell-Chinese" case.
>> The reason for the Chinese people to be angry is so that they feel the  
>justice
>> has been raped by those CSS, and the facts has been twisted by those CSS.
> 
> 
>You are only one of a small handful of people who can not tolerate others'  
>prosperity. Also, you might be someone like a person I know who spoke frankly  
>that he felt unfair because he paid $3500 attorney fee to get a card while  
>others might save the money for a trip to Europe. You do not represent Chinese  
>people.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Regardless this bill will be passed or not, most of the CSS, including those
>> CSS, will go home someday.  By then, the Chinese PEOPLE will hate the blood
>> carders.  If the regular CSS do not distinct themselves from those CSS, they
>> will suffer when they return to China someday: who knows you did not work on 
>> the blood card in 1992?
> 
> 
>In fact, regular Chinese hate ultra-lestist like you much much more than  
>so-called "blood-carders" because people like you represent horror and misery  
>while "blood-carders" only repsent opportunists.
> 
> 
>> 
>> So, if you did not directly support the blood card petition, I strongly 
>> recommend you to sign up at "blood-card@netix.com".  If you do not speak out 
>> your standing, you may be misunderstood in the future.
>> 
>> Obviuosly, upon your own discretion.
>>
> 
>You can fool some of the people sometime but you can not fool all the people  
>all the time. People will know about your real purpose is.
> 
> 
>> shannon
>> -----
> 
> 
>Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <1992Oct6.225536.27862@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:02:20 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>I am not a ultra-rightist. Why bother to burn the temple down? It is a good  
>place to suck tourists' money. It is also a place to ask people like Steve Lin  
>to pay 3 times as much as a Chinese does. Why should we burn it down? Only  
>stupid ultra-rightists will probably do this. To me, Temple of Yue Fei is as  
>same as Shao4 Lin2 Shi4 (Shaolin Temple).

>Carl

It is good to hear people have this kind of idea. The important thing of
Yue Fei is his spirit, not just a temple. Talking about patriotics, it is
always a spirit of a country. No country can do without it. So do not blame
people blind or not. Aks some Japaness and Americans about thoese two A-bombs,
you will see the difference. No country can give up it first.
Why Steve Lin need to pay 3 times of money, because Chinese have the benifit
to pay less. As a Chinese student, you can exempt tax here(oops, hope no
people from IRS is reading).
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 4 Oct 1992 18:31:17 CDT
From: <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Liao Hai-Fan


#My friend who is from Chang Ting   ----
#Fu Jian province                     |
#                                  /  |
#      is looking for
#
#       Liao Hai - Fan
#=============================================
# Liao Hai-Fan  once studied at Zhe Jiang University
#               and studied & worked at Shang Hai Jiao Tong University
#               Please e-mail to your friend Mr. Li :
#                                             LI2@BERT.EECS.UIC.EDU
#               or call him :  (312) 842-2910
#===============================================================
#NOTE :This is borrowed account, don't mail me !!!!!!!
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Poor Man (Was Re: Oct. 1, Greedcard, and Others)
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:00:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <97474@bu.edu> (3 Oct 92) Xiaowen Li writes,

> In article <9210030252.AA15055@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
> writes:
>
>>    Lix writes:
>>
>>    "pi3 fu1 wu2 zui4, huai2 bi4 qi2 zui4."
>>    ( the horse man is not a criminal, his jade is)
>
> Wrong translation.  It should be "A horse of man", rather than "the horse
> man".  The second lecture today, please donate to SOS China Education Fund.

    What are you guys doing?  Another round of "misinformation"?  :-)  Where
is the "horse"?

    Pi3 Fu1 (man) should be used together with Pi3 Fu4 (woman), as said by
Dr. Johnny.  Pi3 Fu1 Pi3 Fu4 means a man who is too poor that he can only
afford to mate a woman.  So the correct translation is:

    It is not a crime to marry only _a_ woman,
    unless you do have money (jade) to take more.
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Xiangqi (Chinese Chess)
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:50:20 GMT
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: yding+@pitt.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 18:12:11 GMT


>Hmmm, this does not sound like Chinese chess. Pawn can only move one
>square at a time.
No it doesn't. But it is called CCHESS. Some time ago, I downloaded
a cchess program (don't know if it's the same one, or does there exist
a second one?) When I first tried it out, I was on the upper hand after
a few moves. But one thing surprised me, as well as a few Chinese
friends watching the game, the Cannon (Pao4) got my Castle (Ju1) 
just so easily without any help in the line, killing just in the way
a Castle does. I believe this is a bug. I have never got my hands on
it since then. If there is any updated version of the program, can
anybody point me to the source again as I lost it?

QIN Yi
Manchester
UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:56:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.184358.15750@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> >> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> >> 
> >> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
> >> 
> >> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
> >> >needs neither of them.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
> 
> >Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
> >ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
> >religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these people  
are  
> >the treasure of a society.
> 
> >Carl
> I wonder what is Mr. Carl's oppinion about abortion?


I am pro-choice.

Carl
From: zhang@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Tongguang Zhang)
Subject: Hu Qiao-Mu died
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:59:31 GMT



-- 

Tongguang Zhang
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: "Long time no see!" -- Is it Chinese?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:13:00 GMT

In article <9209262155.aa29962@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> dzhuo@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dongpei Zhuo) writes:
>I have often heard the phrase "long time no see" recently (not by Chinese
>people). Has anybody else heard it? It sounds like a
>literal translation of Chinese "Duo1 Ri4 Bu2 Jian4" or "Hao2 Jiu3 Bu2 Jian4",
>and it does not sound pure English (grammatically). Is it Chinese at all?


	According to a famous American author who wrote in "Glory and Dreams"
(or something like that, I read it in Chinese translation).  The term
"long time no see" is indeed Chinese origin, being brought back by
American GIs in World War II era.


	 Eddie


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26639 soc.culture.taiwan:14074
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Rome Empire vs PRC (Was: ROC vs PRC)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:59:27 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>Do you know any people that're involved in demostrations back in 89?  
>I am not saying CNN reports are wrong, or the PLA's action were
>any excuse.  But I found don't take any media report for granted is
>a good starting point.  Sure it's horrible, but it's not like
>this kind of thing never happened before, in the China before '49
>or in another country, the CCP had the bad luck of having an entire
>press contigent station there at the moment, that's all, and television
>does do wonders, the point was long proven since the Vietnam war.  

What are you trying to say? That PRC is a much better country than
the media wanted us to believe? Wake up! Please.

>I guess e-mail won't reflect the tone of the writing, and you didn't 
>get it, didn't you?  even with the help of the smiley face?  

Huh?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Action 9201 (Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:00:02 GMT

In article <2AC23B6E.26160@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>	I urge those, who supported 9201, to act right now.  Otherwise, the 
>	situation will be:
>
>	-- \     |=| |=|    \  __|__   \  _\_    /< /<
>      --|-|-     ___|__\_   /|  /|     /| |=|     ---
>       /| \/        /\       | / |      | |\/    --|--
>       \| /\|      /  \     \|  \|     \| |/\_     /\__
>
>[...]
>Shannon Yeh
>One of the Original 9201 team members

  It's always the case with regards to 4.5, 6.4, etc.

-ping
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Poor Man
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:12:52 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


    To my translation of "Pi3 Fu1 Wu2 Zui4, Huai2 Bi4 Qi2 Zui4,"

        It is not a crime to marry only _a_ woman,
        unless you do have money (jade) to take more.

James Ou writes in post <1aldpiINN4po@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> (3 Oct 1992),

> Gosh, this is really interesting.  So "Pi3 Fu4 Pi3 Fu1" means a woman who
> is too poor that she can only afford to mate a man?  Darn!  So you mean
> that I have got it wrong all these years?  :-) :-)

    You are not wrong, unless you do have the financial resource to support
a second wife :-).

    OK, James, you are the authority of Dr. Johnny on SCC, you should know,
for the phrase "Pi3fu1 Pi3fu4" mentioned in Dr. Johnny's book, the general
accepted explanation handed down to us says there is only one woman for the
poor man to Xiang1 Pi3, or "mate."

    So, in the ancient China, if there is only one woman in your home, no
other wives and no handmaids, you must have been in the bottom of the social
ladder.  Dr. Johnny talked of you with contempt, and others scorn at your
bravery as worthless hardiness ("Pi3 Fu1 Zhi1 Yong3).

    Of course, nowadays virtually every Chinese is a Pi3fu1, even Mao Zedong
had been criticized 19 times in CCP Polibureau since 1949 for his heroic
effort to live beyond Pi3fu1 Pi3fu4.  So, take it easy :-).

> BTW, why is it pronounced as "Pi3" any way?  Why isn't is pronounced as
> "Pi1"?  I know we say "Yi4 Pi3 Bu4" (a piece of cloth), but don't we say
> "Yi4 Pi1 Ma3" (a horse)?

    I think it is "Pi3."  Sometime we say "Pi" because other Shang3 Sheng1
is present, as in Lao3 Pi Fu1, a strong curse our forefather reserved for
their most hated enemy.  In their time, it must have been an intolerable
insult to say a man had been a Pi3fu1 in all his life :-).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: FWD:Senate sustains Bush veto on China MFN
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:19:02 GMT

        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The Senate sustained Thursday President Bush's
veto of legislation that would have given China most-favored-nation
trade status only if it meets certain conditions.
        The Senate upheld the veto 59-40, 7 short of the two-thirds needed to
override. Congress has several times tried to attach the conditions to
MFN for China -- only to be struck down by the president.
        The conditions, generally, would have required Bush to certify that
China has improved its record on human rights, abided by international
trade practices and observed non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.
        Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell, as always, lashed out at
Bush for vetoeing the bill.
        Mitchell said China's leaders are ``immune'' under the the
administration's policy ``because they have a friend in the White House.
''
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:23:27 GMT
Organization: New York University

Hi, folks!

Let me take the liberty to start a new topic here. What do u guys usu
eat? How do u prepare your food? How long does it usu take u to prepare
your dinner?

I'd like to welcome comments from everybody: Chinese, non-Chinese. My under-
standing is that most people do some cooking. CSS who have just arrived
from China tend to cook more rather than eat out and many are non-experts.
Maybe thru communications on the net, everyone can enjoy his/her meal better.

As most people are busy most of the time, they can't spend too much time on
cooking; many people end up either going hungry or sticking to a boring
diet. Would u guys like to shed some light on how to improve our
life in this respect? Don't email me!

Thanx for your attention!


- Li, Qiang