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From: "eric beck" <eric.beck@canrem.com>
Subject: peterborough polar-bear
Reply-To: "eric beck" <eric.beck@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:26:08 EST

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the date for this year's
Polar Bear 1/2 Marathon held in Peterborough, ON, Canada.

Like the Date:, Time: , where an entry-form is available:

Thanks,

Eric
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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boston Qualifying Times
Keywords: Boston Marathon
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:40:29 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1993Jan6.225115.6308@photon.com>, tlf@photon.com (Terri Franklin) writes:
> I'm interested in finding out the qualifying times for the Boston Marathon.
> Can anyone provide me with this information or refer me to a source?
> 


Boston Marathon
==================
The Boston Marathon is held on Patriots day (3rd monday in April).
For an application send a SASE (business size) to:

        Boston Athletic Association Boston Marathon
        P.O. Box 1992
        Hopkington, MA 01748

The qualifying times are:
 
 Age   Men   Women
18-34  3:10  3:40
35-39  3:15  3:45
40-44  3:20  3:50
45-49  3:25  3:55
50-54  3:30  4:00
55-59  3:35  4:05
60-64  3:40  4:10
65-69  3:45  4:15
70+    3:50  4:20


Note that the qualification time is for your age as of the day of
the Boston Marathon. For instance, if you ran a qualifying marathon
in a time of 3:43 as a 34 year old female, and then have a birthday
before the date of the Boston Marathon, you *do* qualify, since
your qualification time is that for a 35 year old female.


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From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Ankle Sprains
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden

In article <1993Jan4.150931.26136@lpi.liant.com>, joes@lpi.liant.com (Joe Stewart) writes:

>Two questions:
>   a.  How to prevent them?
>   b.  What to do when you get them?

 the first thing is to put a bandage pretty tight around it to prevent
inner bleedings. Keep it on for 30 minutes, keep your foot high, and
put ice on it. Remove it to get the blood flowing again, and then put
it on again for another 30 minutes, keep your foot high and keep the
ice there. Then you tape your ankle after a very intricate schedule,
and you can start training again, not the same level, but very soft...

 How to prevent them? Run on a track or on asphalt, and not in the woods..




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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: clinton's 5K time
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:48:06 GMT

reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
>griffith@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU writes:
>>So what WAS Clinton's time for 5K...just curious to know what "mediocre is"
>
>Mediocre is whatever is slower than what you do the distance in.
>For example, my mediocre time is anything longer than 15 minutes.
>Yeah, right!

Fifteen minutes??? What, do you run around the course twice? :-)

P.S. Clinton's time was 24:16.

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From: hduncan@cs.ucsd.edu (Hal Duncan)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Knee problem... sound familiar?
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:15:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, UC San Diego

wlange@eis.calstate.edu (Walter C. Lange) writes:
<Your knee problem sounds like it is the iliotibia band, the tendon
<connecting to your knee.

That's what it is, all right.  I just saw the doctor yesterday and the
rehab therapist today.  The doc gave me 10 days of anti-inflammatory,
the therapist some advice on stretching.

< The doctor is likely to say "Hurts when you run?  Don't run! $100 please."

Fortunately, my doctor is free (well, free if you ignore the fact that
15% of my university fees are for mandatory health insurance).

My thanks to everyone who responded here and in email!


Hal
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From: bschmidt@maybeck.mti.sgi.com (Bill Schmidt)
Subject: Re: The Self Coached Runner
Reply-To: bschmidt@maybeck.mti.sgi.com (Bill Schmidt)
Organization: sgi
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:46:32 GMT

In article <1ihhg5INN71d@meaddata.meaddata.com>, chaz@meaddata.com (Chuck Sedlacko) writes:
|> 
|>   Recently, I've been looking over a book entitled "The Self-Coached Runner"
|> by Allan Lawrence and Mark Scheid. The book has a format where you look up
|> a section with a given distance and your goal time and it outlines a running 
|> schedule for that race and your level.  I don't have any prior race 
|> experience, and I had a question concerning some of the advice in the book.
|> 
|>  For example, to run a 45-minute 10K, the book states 
|> 
|>  "You are ready to train for a 45-minute 10K if you can run:
|> 
|>     220 yards in 38 seconds
|>     440 yards in 82 seconds
|>     1 mile in 6 minutes 20 seconds
|> 
|>  To run 10K in 45 minutes you need to average 7:16 per mile."
|> 
|>  I don't understand what the paartial times have to do with running the 10K.
|> If I could run at a 7:16 pace, why do I need to meet these other criteria?
|> Other "prerequisites" are given for other levels and for all distances.
|> 
|>  Thanks in advance for any input.
|> 
|> -- 
|> |Chuck Sedlacko     |                           |           (513) 865-1781|
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|> |Dayton, Ohio 45401 |                           |    ..uunet!meaddata!chaz|

   To run a 10K at a "race pace" takes endurace, lactic acid tolerance and
high aerobic capacity.  I suspect that the benchmarks quoted in the book are
not requirements but merely measures of those ingredients with the 220 being
a measure of leg speed, the 440 being a measure of lactic acid tolerance
and the mile being a measure of aerobic capacity.  To maintain 7:16 per
mile for 10K you should be running this pace "comfortably" which requires
some faster paced training so that the race pace feels "easy" for the first
few miles.  I'm not so sure of the absolute time standards for these distances
but I incorporate 220,440 and mile repeats into my 10K training regimen for
the reasons cited above.,
	Bill
From: rick.thomas@filebank.cts.com (Rick Thomas) 
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: HELLO
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: rick.thomas@filebank.cts.com (Rick Thomas) 

Anyone in here? Just training for the marathon in Jan. and was wondering 
if there was anyone to talk to here.
Rick.
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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:10:33 GMT

In article <WVOSS.118.0@novell.com>, WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss) writes:
|> 
|> So, once the snow clears I'd like to eventually get back to around 2 miles a 
|> day 3 times a week. 
|> 
|> My question is, would that be enough to get my metabolism up and burning fat 
|> like it did 5 years ago? I'm 27 now, and have the gut to prove it! <G>
|> 

You need to get your heart rate in the training range three
times per week for 30 min. each time.  I suspect that 2miles wont quite do
it for you.  If your body can't handle running 3-4 miles 3 times per week,
combine the running with something else aerobic to get the additional minutes
in the training zone.

Also, as you get fitter, and lose weight, you will need to run even
further/faster to get your 3 X 30 minutes in the training zone.  Your joints
will not adapt as fast as your aerobic systems so you may have even more need
to combine running with some other activity.
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From: tlf@photon.com (Terri Franklin)
Subject: Boston Qualifying Times
Keywords: Boston Marathon
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:51:15 GMT

I'm interested in finding out the qualifying times for the Boston Marathon.
Can anyone provide me with this information or refer me to a source?

Thanks in advance,
Terri Franklin
tlf@photon.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: joes@tgs.com (Joe Stewart)
Subject: Ankle Sprain v2.0 (clarifications) 
Reply-To: joes@tgs.com
Organization: Template Graphics Software (TGS)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:44:10 GMT

Points of clarification about treating sprains:

  1.  Drugs:

    a.  Does asperin or ibuprofin make a difference?  
    b.  What dosage and frequency?
    c.  Why?

  2.  Ice/cold:

    a.  Which is better?
       1.  Ice water bucket
       2.  Rubbing ice on swollen area
       3.  Ice in a towel wrapped around the ankle
       4.  Those jelly bags that you keep in the freezer
    b.  How long shoud you ice and how frequently?
    c.  Why?

  3.  Compression (as it relates to the initial injury/recovery, not the 
      taping of the ankle to allow you to run):

    a.  How soon after the sprain?
    b.  How long should you keep it wrapped?
    c.  Why? 

Also, I want to thank the following people for their responses to my 
initial questions:  

 Tord Malmgren, Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden 
 Paul Gatker, COMPULITE GRAPHICS, Brooklyn NY usa
 Paul French, SGI
 Paul Theisen, Physics, University of Iowa
 Eugenio Fortanely, Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola (Schaumburg, 
   Illinois USA)
 Steve Conway, Centre for Speech Technology Research and Department of 
   Linguistics, Edinburgh University, Scotland
 Thomas W. Page, Jr., Department of Computer Science, University of California,
   Los Angeles, 90024-1596
 Mike Dotseth, HP, (Colorado Springs, Colorado)

I'll post a summary of their respones after these points are clarified.

Joe

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From: wolf@doppel.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Help Required
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:58:24 GMT
	<1993Jan10.221629.28357@news.eng.convex.com>
Reply-To: wolf@first.gmd.de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: magee@convex.UUCP's message of 10 Jan 93 22:16:29 GMT


   In article <1993Jan11.090513.13085@waikato.ac.nz> rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
   >Fellow runners,
   >
   >I have been running for some time and have had numerous injuries associated
   >with running (shin splints, knee problems) but last week I was doing my last
   >training for a local triathalon when during the run (about 8km) my hip was
   >hurting. There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone
   >, this
   >pain was quite bad the next day (stiffening up?) but went away by the following
   >day, I didn't do any more running, biking or swimming untill yesterdays tri and
   >at about the 5km mark the pain came back. I have no pain biking when the hip is
   >sore but I have never ever had this injury before.
   >
   >The current shoes I am using have not coused the problem before.
   >
   >Any ideas what it might be and how to prevent it happening on a regular basis?
   >
   >Any comment welcomed...
   >
   >Thanx in advance...
   >
   >
   >Rob.

   Rob,

I also do know kinds of hip pain very well.
In my case, I'm quite sure it always was caused by irritation of the sciatic
nerve.
This kind of pain is able to reach into your toes, though the cause is mostly
related to the back bone where the irritation takes place.
You should take this into consideration.

wolf

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Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 18:21:08 EST
From: <IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Charlotte marathon

Does anyone have the results of the Charlotte marathon?  I want
to know how a friend of mine, Joanne Nealey, did. thanks.
giles.
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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: rec.running,sci.med
Subject: Other ankle problems (or, are my ligaments falling apart?)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:13:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu


I posted a few months ago with a queury about pain in my inside heel.
Based on the replies that I got, I think the problem was an inflammation
of the tissue that connects the heel to the toes.  I was finally able
to cure the problem with new (& well-cushioned) shoes, two weeks of
rest (some walking, no running), ice after each walk & initially after
each run when I started back, starting back slowly, ibuprofin.

Then, before Christmas, I was running on a level road & suddenly felt
a very sharp pain in my ankle, on the outside just below & slightly to
the back of the boney part.  The ankle never twisted at all; the pain
just started on one perfectly mild-mannered down step. 
Further running was out of the question--I could walk but only 
gingerly.  As soon as I cooled down, the ankle stiffened but never
swelled.  I tried to run once after 2 weeks & made matters worse--
now almost 3 weeks later, I definately get the impression that running
is not a good idea.

The first question is what the devil I managed to do to myself.

The second question is whether there could be a dietary deficiency
or other problem that is causing my ligaments to be injury-prone (I also
injured something in the back of my hand late last Fall, an injury that was
attributed to too much computer work).  I don't eat red meat & eat chicken
no more than 2-3 times a week; I don't drink much milk but eat lots of
cheese; I don't eat eggs at all; I usually take some sort of vitamin with
iron as otherwise I tend towards mild anemia. 

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help,

Sue (hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu)
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:19:36 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1993Jan7.152811.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>, theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> 
> 	
> 	I just turned 30 and have a question for older runners, or anyone
> who might know.
> 
> 	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
> 	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)
> 

There seems to be some evidence that endurance declines at a slower
rate than raw speed. For that reason you will see world-class
marathoners competing in their late 30's and even early 40's.
Certainly there are males in their 40's who have turned in marathon
times which are good enough to go to the Olympic trials. However,
you do not see sprinters (to my knowledge) competing at that
'lofty' age.

For your reference, here are the world records, by age group, for
the 5K and 10K distance. (My source is 'Peak Running Performance',
which has a rather interesting article about the effects of aging on
running performance. July-August 1992 issue)  These are men's records.

        Open    35-39  40-44  45-49  50-54  55-59   60-64    65+

5K      12:58   13:16  13:46  14:24  14:56  15:53   16:33   16:39

10K     27:08   27:17  28:33  30:03  31:02  33:01   34:15   34:42


BTW, it will be interesting to see if Eamonn Coghlan becomes the
first 'master' to crack the 4 minute mile. He seems to have a real
shot at doing it this year.
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From: reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: clinton's 5K time
Date: 6 Jan 1993 03:33:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan4.203103.2265@ncsu.edu> griffith@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU writes:
>So what WAS Clinton's time for 5K...just curious to know what "mediocre is"


Mediocre is whatever is slower than what you do the distance in.
For example, my mediocre time is anything longer than 15 minutes.
Yeah, right!
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Subject: Swimming and running
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:48:53 GMT

Has anyone else noticed that if you swim earlier in the day (before
noon) and then run in the afternoon that you are looser during the run.
I noticed this during my college competitive days (almost a decade ago)
and since starting swimming at noon recently it has become apparent
again.  I feel much more fluid in my stride - perhaps because the
swimming provides a good overall stretch for me.  I have also noticed
that the swimming does not adversly affect my running endurance - I
have not compared against pure speed.  I'm getting too old to be
concerned with my 400m time...

I also recall that I had less injuries when swimming and running.  I
believe swimming has the tendency to strengthen some of the muscles
that we don't during running.  These muscles were generally the ones
that I would pull during running.

Anyone have any observations or personal insights that they may add. 
I`m curious about this.

Stephen.

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From: reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Orthotics question
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:19:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <93003.182121AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
> My surgeon thinks orthotics would be a good idea and I

I've worn orthotics as long as you've gone without them!  I was a bit
scepticle when the podiatrist said I needed them (no insurance for
them), but about 20 minutes after I got them, it was like someone had
laid hands on me!

I had terrible corns and blisters on my calluses on my blisters and
pronated like a duck.  The blisters went away completely, hte
calluses modified and I've been without pain (well almost, but that's
another story) ever since.

I was wearing Nikes, but did switch to New Balance because they are
wider and fit better.  But before I landed there, I went through
several other types of shoes and they all accepted my orthotics with
no problem.  I pull out the rubber insert, put in the orthotics and
then replace the insert.

About the only problem I had with orthotics is that it took a bit of
time getting used to the stiffness of them and they are hard and
offer no cushioning at all.

Good luck.
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From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Using weights on runs
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:25:11 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1993Jan11.162017.440@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1993Jan09.014221.41016@watson.ibm.com> dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese) writes:
>>In article <8JAN199315000684@vax2.concordia.ca> wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:
>>>How good of an idea is it to use small hand weights on runs? Would
>>>they not be good for speed training? After all, swimmers use similar            strategies to make them go faster on race days. Anyone out there
>>>use this technique?
>>NO NO and NO! The act of running all by its lonesome puts enough stress 
>>on your joints, specifically the knees.  This will only lead to        
>>big time problems. The last person I knew that ran with weights
>>wore all the cartilege from his knees and can't run a step.  
>
>Most of the people I see using hand weights are those hyper types who try to do too much too soon
>and damage themselves, e.g. people trying to satisfy their New Year's resolutions.
>This might explain why many such people get injured, but not damn the method per se.

Sorry if I sounded strong.  Some years back I had a talk with my 
Orthopedic Dr. and running friend about this issue.  He felt running
and weights were both great but don't do them at them same time.  He felt 
it was not worth the risk. I ran with my Podiatrist tonight and he 
reiterated the same caution.  Galloway, on pg 244, says you burn extra         
calories but be careful it will put extra pressure on your joints, 
ligaments, tendons etc. especially if you overpronate.            

This is not definitive proof but enough to cast some doubt.  Those  
of us that love this sport hate to see anyone injured.  I won't 
touch the 'hyper types' statement but I quietly agree.


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From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Thank you everyone! was: Re: Consecutive Days
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:47:00 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa


I want to thank everyone who responded to my post! :)  It gave me a lot of  
helpful hints as well as incentive to keep it up! :)

If anyone is interested, I decided to gradually work my way up, and as of now,  
I'm running two days on, one day off as apposed to every other day..  This way,  
I won't get burnt out!

Thanks again to EVERYONE :)  Boy, I love this newsgroup. 

- Tammy

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