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From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Grand Illusion, Part I
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:08:55 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Heard any good lawyer jokes lately?

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And so the story continues, this time from Sunday's Merc, containing this
article by David Margolick.


Last month, the cover story of California Lawyer magazine carried the
headline "Gays at Law:  Life
in a [Strayt-Laced] Profession."
Copies of the publication, an independently produced magazine that contains
the official monthly
newsletter of the California Bar Association, went out to all 133,500
lawyers in the nation's most
lawyered state.
As remarkable as the subject matter was the packaging.  On the cover was a
portrait of a pair of
gay lawyers from two of San Francisco's most prominent law firms, Andrew
Mead of Heller,
Ehrman, White & McAuliffe and Nancy Koch of Farella, Braun & Martel.
Inside was a full-page photograph of Keith Wetmore, managing partner of the
[SF] office of another
giant firm, Morrison & Foerster, who is also gay, plus pictures of other
gay and lesbian lawyers with 
their [DPs].

But arguably more noteworthy than the contents of the article, written by
Jane Goldman, California
Lawyer's executive editor, or the photographs, was the reaction they
generated.

A lawyer named G. Sharp, address unknown, called the cover picture "utterly
repulsive."  Donald
Ingoglia of Sacramento was equally outraged.  "Showing two smiling gays on
the cover illustrates
how sick our society has become," he wrote.
James P. Carroll, also from Sacramento, described his chagrin when his
teen-age grandson asked
if he subscribed to a magazine for homosexuals.
"It is a sad day when I must make apologies for my professional
organization's official publication",
Carroll wrote.  [I think to myself, FOR WHAT!]

In the article, Goldman, a 1990 graduate of Stanford Law School, describes
the new assertiveness
and visibility of gay  lawyers in large, conservative law firms,
strengthened feelings of community
and the conviction that concealment can be harmful in a profession in which
"being friendly is good
business."

To be sure, several of the letters were complimentary.  But what the nasty
ones showed, she said,
is that homophobia remains as deep-seated in the bar as anywhere else.

Coming out several years ago did not harm Koch, who graduated from the
University of Chicago
Law School in 1981; she was promoted to partnership after telling superiors
she was gay and
living with another female lawyer at the firm.
Mead, a 1983 Harvard Law School graduate, is "special counsel" at Heller,
Ehrman, essentially
lifetime tenure without partnership.  Because he carries the virus that
causes AIDS, he said,
the distinction is "kind of a moot point."

\aliscafo/
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: FINAL NOTICE
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:29:08 GMT


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                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


October 16, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: ala@fico.uucp
Subject: Amelia's
Summary: Places to go in SF 
Reply-To: ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:17:16 GMT

A friend of mine suggested that we go to Amelia's in SF.  Has anyone ever
been there?  I would like to get a feel for the kind atmosphere the place
has and the crowd before I go.

Thanks in advance,
Adryenn
From: fy@lucid.com (Frank Yellin)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Room for rent in Redwood City
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:48:30 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park, CA


We have a room for rent in our Redwood City home.

House has:
     Private pool      
     Hot Tub
     Fireplace
     Cable TV
     Moderate sized back yard.

We're on a quiet cul-de-sac, half a block from Atherton.  Easy access
to 280.  About ten minutes from Stanford.

Rent is $450/month + utilities.

Sorry.  No smoking allowed in the house.

Call me at (415) 369-7510 or send Email for more information.

-- Frank Yellin
   fy@lucid.com
Xref: sparky ba.motss:1838 ba.singles:1948
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,ba.singles
Subject: AIDS Grove Project
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:34:58 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ba
Organization: The Autodesk Ant Refuge


What is it? Its a section of Golden Gate Park in San Francisco that has
been rescued from becoming a very gnarly place. It is being cleared,
tidied up and landscaped as a living memorial to our friends and family
who have fallen to the AIDS epidemic. Its a great meditative exercise
for people in mourning, a wonderful civic thing to do in general, and a
great way to get some exercise and meet cool people.  I met a Cleve
Jones (who invented the Quilt) and the Prez of the SF Supervisors at
one work party and met a huge Just Desserts carrot cake at another :-).
There are also come neat, fun people working on it.  Its not just for
gay people either. Everyone can come, young and old.

AIDs Memorial Grove group will have a work party on Sat. Oct 17
starting at 9AM and falling into entropy at about 3PM. You can come
for all or part of the day.

Bring lunch, work clothes and work gloves. The parks dept provides
various tools. 

The Grove is located near the Bowling Green in Golden Gate Park,
kind of across from the tennis courts.  Just look for all the maniacs
goofing around with rakes, mulch and shovels.

There is ample parking in the area early on Saturday mornings.

ER

-- 
E. Richards  fernwood!autodesk!booter or booter@Autodesk.COM
"God must hate the common people, because he made them so common."
			--Philip Wylie
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: JUST A REMINDER
Item: su.gay 3351,  Wed, 14 O,  61 lines.    (0 items left)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:58:49 GMT

   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  JUST A REMINDER  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
             THIS IS A FUN SHOW AND PROCEEDS
            ARE GOING FOR A VERY WORTHY CAUSE

  $$$$$$$$$$$$$   WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


October 14, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Gay in the Workplace Workshop
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:00:03 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Oct5.185354.28619@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM 
   (Rod Williams) writes:

>I'd really like to hear other attendees' opinions and experiences...

I attended the Saturday events with my SO (or should I say DP?) Bob.  
As a reminder to those who didn't attend, the day went as follows:

1)  Keynote speech
2)  First Workshop
3)  Panel discussion on DP benefits
4)  Lunch
5)  2nd Workshop
6)  3rd Workshop
7)  Closing speech

As always, we enjoyed the chance to be in a gay-positive environment for
a whole day.  And, having moved to the Bay Area in June, it was nice to
finally pay a visit to the Stanford campus, which was indeed quite
beautiful.

Both speeches were excellent, and the closing one was especially rousing,
as we were made to consider both short-term and long-term implications of
coming out at work.

I thought the Panel discussion was useful, and the moderator did a good
job of keeping the speakers within their time limits.  The panelists
outlined some strategies for implementing dp benefits in the workplace.

The workshops were interesting and somewhat useful.  My first one was
called "Building Alliances with Straight Co-workers."  The main idea
was for us to realize that we can break down the us-vs.-them barriers
by emphasizing our similarities through hobbies, outside activities,
etc.  Bob lamented that his first workshop, about internalized
homophobia, ended up being too much of a lecture that defined the obvious--
what *is* homophobia.

My second workshop was more fun, touching on the discomfort we often feel
when introducing (or simply mentioning) our SO's.  Example:  "Hello,
this is my <mumble> Bob."  According to the workshop, straight people
need to hear that mumbled phrase (SO, partner, etc.) because, more often
than not, they *want* to be sensitive to the language we use.

The 3rd workshop, about legal rights, was very talky.  
They discussed rights on the federal, state, and SF level.  This was
useful stuff; however, it would've been nice to come away with some 
hardcopy instead of a barrage of soporific scenarios.  

Overall, though, I enjoyed the chance to meet new people and
share the experiences of other GBL folk on a relaxed, pleasant day.
-- 
Daniel Gilly		                  Oracle Corporation
dgilly@us.oracle.com                      (415) 506-6147
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From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: JUST A REMINDER
Item: su.gay 3351,  Wed, 14 O,  61 lines.    (0 items left)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:58:18 GMT

   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  JUST A REMINDER  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
             THIS IS A FUN SHOW AND PROCEEDS
            ARE GOING FOR A VERY WORTHY CAUSE

  $$$$$$$$$$$$$   WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


October 14, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00

Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Amelia's
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:55:33 GMT

ala@fico.uucp writes:

>A friend of mine suggested that we go to Amelia's in SF.  Has anyone ever
>been there?  I would like to get a feel for the kind atmosphere the place
>has and the crowd before I go.

As many people have pointed out already it is closed.  However if you
are looking for a girl bar The Cafe (used to Cafe San Marcos) is the
place to go.  It is at Market and Castro.  The crowd tends to be partying
young dykes on the prowl.  There are two pool tables and at the
weekend there is music and limited dancing.

If you want more info on possibilities while in SF, let me know, and
I can fill you in.  But apart from Cafe, the other things are all one
night events.

Iseult.
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Amelia's
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:07:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct12.221716.7820@fico.uucp> ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley) writes:
>A friend of mine suggested that we go to Amelia's in SF.  Has anyone ever
>been there?  I would like to get a feel for the kind atmosphere the place
>has and the crowd before I go.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Adryenn


I though Amelia's had closed.

Leslie
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss,su.gay
From: son@leland.Stanford.EDU (Son Nhan)
Subject: Queer Asian/Pacific Islander youths
Keywords: queer, Asians, youths, social
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 22:01:33 GMT


				   
			 We, In the Gap, are
			  funky fresh queer
		     Asian/Pacific Islander posse
		      demanding/creating spaces
			    that have been
		     historically/institutionally
			      denied us,
				   
			 a place where we can
		      politicize our realities,
		      reclaim our legacies, and
		      celebrate every aspect of
			      our lives,
			  without compromise
				   
			a cross-road where our
		      commonalities/differences
			     can meet and
		       interactively build upon
			  one another as we
			 keep on keepin' on,
				   
			Coming home to our own



				   
	     We are having our first social get together.



				   
				In the Gap
		 queer Asian/Pacific Islander Youths
			     23 and under
				 
				   
			       Presents
				   
			     October Moon
			     Get Together
				   
			       Saturday
			   October 17, 1992
				3-6 pm
				   
			at Lyon-Martin Women's
			   Health Services
		    1748 Market Street at Valencia
			      Suite 201
			    San Francisco
				   
			     415-565-7681

				   
 sponsored by the Lambda Youth and Family Empowerment (LYFE) program


-- 

	-son
From: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Motorcycle Repair
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:41:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com

Yesterday someone decided that this would be the day that they
take a screw driver to my scooter and use that as an ignition
key.  Well after much vandalism they gave up.  Unfortunately
now I can't get the thing started which means that I can't 
drive it anywhere to have it repaired.  Does anyone know of
a motorcycle repair person that will come to my house and do 
some repair work on it.

Thanks
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: High Chaparral
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:28:54 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

C & W bucks 'family values'?

>Excerpts from 'Newsweek':

Garth Brooks just jumped into the family values debate, right into the mess
of it.  "The way I remember it," he said during a free afternoon in his
current national concert tour, "traditional family values was encouraging
children to be the best they can be.  If your parents are black and white,
if your parents are the same sex, that's still traditional family values to
me."

This was Brooks's way of explaining the song "We Shall Be Free", which
leads off his new album, "The Chase", and includes a vote of support for
same-sex couples. ... "When we're free to love anyone we choose", he sings,
"then we shall be free."  This is a first for country music. ... This kind
of progressive, topical songwriting, coming from a rock or rap act, would
be no big deal.
But from Brooks, it is a revolution. ... country music holds its value as a
political football largely because it resists the winds of change.  It's
the one entertainment we feel isn't leading us toward Sodom and Gomorrah. 
Country hangs on to old values with conviction and market savvy.
... The biggest risk for Brooks is that bedrock of the country-music
community, the church, is often inimical to what he has to say about
homosexuality. ... Brooks, who has always put himself forward as a very
religious performer, now has to walk a tightrope.  "It's tough for me,
because I love the Bible", he explained.  "For those people that feel
religiously that homosexuality is wrong, are they not as right as the
people who feel homosexuality is right?  But I say, 'Hey, man, stay on your
own side.'  To penalize someone for being homosexual, I don't think that's
our place."  At the same time, he added, "I don't want the whole religious
world down my ass, either."

Brooks said that hasn't happened so far.  But he has received some angry
mail.  "They always say, '[Gays] should be granted some rights' 
-and it seems to be [only] the rights these people writing in think they
should be allowed.  Damn.  I don't know where someone gets off telling
human beings they can have some rights and not others." ...

END

All I can say is, beautiful!

\aliscafo/
From: henry@netcom.com (Henry Polard)
Newsgroups: ba.dance
Subject: International FD - Live Music - Stanford
Keywords: Dance Fun Live Music Stanford
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:23:13 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


International Folk Dancing at Stanford will be in the Oak Room at
Tresidder Union on Friday, October 9 at 8:00 P.M.
The band is To Be Deteremined.
Teaching starts at 8:00; requests at 9:00.
Admission  is $3.00, FREE for Stanford students with ID.

You don't need to come with a partner. We do mostly eastern
Meditterranean line dances (ask us about the lovely Sea Bottom
dance). This is a great occasion to meet interesting people in a
low-pressure environment, while getting a good workout, learning
about fascinating cultures, and listening to delightful music.

I'll be running the records between sets. I can be bribed.

Henry Polard.  *glub*
-- 
 ________________________________________________________
/ Henry  || We are such stuffe as dreames are made on;   \
\ Polard || and our little life is rounded with a sleepe /
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From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: ba.dance
Subject: English Regency Hunt Ball--October 10
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:38:19 GMT
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar


Tally-Ho!  Tally-Ho!


Once again, we are Off to the Hunt with the Bay Area English Regency Society.

The BAERS Hunt Ball will be held this Saturday, October 10th, at the
Arlington Community Church in Kensington (on Arlington Ave. across from
the Public Library).  

As last year, we will "list to the sound of the hunting horn" with 
specially-chosen dance music by the Divertimento Dance Orchestra (much 
by Mozart and Beethoven), and sing hunt rounds, catches, and songs during 
intermission.  This year we even have a new dance commemorating the Hunt, 
with the refrain, "To hounds!" 

Doors open at 6:30, Grand March begins at 7:30. Ball ends at 11. 
$12 at the door. Formal evening dress (Regency or modern) or Regency
hunting attire (we will overlook boots in the ballroom, for once).
Contributions to our dessert buffet are welcomed.


Those wishing to "ride to hounds" before the ball may join a Regency 
picnic at the Tilden Park Carousel, 12:30-2:30 or thereabouts. There 
is a picnic area behind the carousel.  Contact Danine Cozzens for 
details (dgc3@cs.pge.com or 415/973-1388, days). Bring food to share
and money for carousel. 

To reach Tilden Park, take the Albany exit from I-80 (Buchannan Street,
becoming Marin Avenue). Proceed directly uphill on Marin, past the circle,
until you reach Grizzly Peak Boulevard [3 mi]. (Consult a street map for 
alternate routes if you wish to spare your carriage and horses.)  Following 
the posted signs, turn right on Grizzley Peak [1/2 mile] and left on Shasta. 
Take the first left within the Park (signs are posted) and proceed 1/2 mile 
to the carousel. 

Parking is available, as well as a soft drink/snack concession and restrooms.
The carousel is one of the few turn-of-the-century beauties left in the US. 
Its ancestors, powered by steam, mules, or foot, were popular attractions
at Bartholomew Fairs and similar occasions in the Regency and 18th Century. 
They descend from medieval jousting games and dancing horses like the 
Lippanzers of Vienna today.