From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:27:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.050324.16807@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>And no one could admit to not having broken the
>law, and so the woman was not stoned to death.

This first time I've ever heard a quote from the 4 gospels in any of these
discussions. To bad no preacher tells gay bashers about this after there long
diatribes against homosexuality.

>	What is the goal of these laws? Could it be that it was to
>preserve a way of life centered about the idea of the single God?

David love for another man didn't seem to destroy it...

>	If you are a killer, or a warrior, and live by death and bloodshed,
>should I necessarily recognize your behavior, if it is threatening to my
>way of life?  

No and you shouldn't recognize murders if it infringes on others peoples
rights either.

>Some of us would consider adultery, homosexuality, some
>even forced sexuality of an type to be threatening to our goal of
>enlightenment free of any Earthly or finite control.

Explain how the actions of consenting adults among themselves is a violation
of any ones rights?

I have a more legitimate reason to consider fundementalism a threat because
fundementalists are trying to attack us by force and pass laws against us.

If you think two consenting adults having sex violates your rights maybe
we should try passing a version of #9 or #2 in your state with homosexuality
replaced with christianity, try to remove all laws protecting Christians
against discrimination, revoke the right of Christians to marry, not allow
Christians to serve in the arm forces, encourage hatred of Christians 24
hours a day through the QBN (queer broadcasting network), etc.

Then maybe you would understand what it means to have your rights violated.

>	Jesus would have done what was necessary to protect and encourage
>his idea of life. Many people think that Jesus was trying to derive
>life from people who were 'dead' or 'murderous' in the sense that
>they were adulterers, homosexuals, etc. Thus, his goal would not have
>been to kill at that time but to provide enlightenment such that
>the 'dead' could have 'life.'
>	Later, if someone requests it, I will post an article concerning
>the 'sword of Christ' and the 'Christian soldiers.'

"He who lives by the sword dies by the sword"

If Christianity lives by taking our rights away it will die by it
and I do mean that seriously.

Look at the AIDS rate among teenagers (largely heterosexual these days),
homophobia and the myth that AIDS is a gay disease has prevented anything
from being done about it. Look at what the great European plagues did
to religion. The bigotry of many religious people has meant that an
easily preventable disease is on its way to becoming the largest plague
in history. The religion of bigotry will pay when the children of its
members die by the tens of millions. No need to rail against God the
blame lies squarely on the self proclaimed messengers of God.

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