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From: poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole)
Subject: VALIANT: Shooter announcement
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:06:48 GMT
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In this month's Valiant titles Steven J. Massarsky the Publisher and
C.O.O. of Valiant makes the public announcement of Jim Shooter's
departure from the company. Barry Smith and Bob Layton are now the
Senior Editor and Editor in Chief respectively with Barry Smith
taking on the scripting and penciling of Eternal Warrior beginning
with issue number 6. This promises to be to be very interesting
as BWS takes the reins and plys his creative talents to this extremely
versatile character. I think this will most likely be a most sought
after issue after word gets out. 

Issue number 0 of Rai is out this month and is a must read for people
who are trying to keep up with the ever expanding Valiant universe.
This book is like a mini future history lesson introducing new
characters and ringing the death toll for others. Bob Lapton does
another great job on this book with his great attention to perspective
and detail.

It looks like the loss of Jim Shooter is having little effect on 
Valiant as they will be debuting several new titles in the upcoming
months. In fact it looks like Valiant is snowballing and picking up
more talent as they go. John Ostrander is onboard now and will be
writing the upcoming Magnus vs. the Predator Darkhouse crossover as
well as the new H.A.R.D. Corps monthly.



--

Rick Poole	   |        Convex Computer Corp.          |   Now, was that 
poole@convex.com   |       3000 Waterview Parkway          |      really
(214) 497-4728	   |       Richardson, Texas 75080	   |     necessary?
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the LNH?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.152522.11329@news.nd.edu> mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>	Someone who came back from the summer was asking about the Legion
>of Net Heroes...as in "Whatever became of the LNH?" Well, I guess the most 
>disturbing thing is that we were torn apart by internal conflict during
>the reprehensible rac reorganization, and as a result our members found
>themselves thrown across the network only to awaken in a variety of 
>newsgroups.
>
G-d, this sounds like one of the Bierbaums(?) stories.


>	As for myself (Myk-El), I found myself wandering with no memory
>in r.a.c.marketplace reading about comic stores in Pittsburgh. Who knows
>where the rest of our once great Legion is? Perhaps in true comic fasion we 
>should join up and go battle it out in rac before it is annihilated on 
>September 30th...

Well I'm all for it!!!    Rebel Yell reporting for duty!!! Should I send out
the alarm?

----SCAV"REBEL YELL"ENGER
-- 
If some unemployed punk in  New Jersey can get | kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for  |     (Internet/Usenet)
$19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going to | No matter where you go, there
make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller   |     you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: THE SANDMAN 42/Brief Lives 2
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:17:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.014817.8592@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Comparisons: Zingermans beats the crap out of McDonalds

Damn straight...

>wait to see where Gaiman is going with it.  Rumor says it's written
>thru part nine and still counting . . . whew.

Not rumor; it's stated by Gaiman in his co-interview with Jill Thompson
in the latest Comics Shop News. He also states that it'll definitely only
be 9 parts as he wants a Craig Russell Arabian Nights story to be in the
#50 anniversary issue and doesn't want to break a story over 49 and 51.

"PSYCHOLOGY: This involves talking about rats and dreams.  Psychologists are
obsessed with rats and dreams.  I once spent an entire semester training a rat
to punch little buttons in a certain sequence, then training my roommate to do
the same thing.  The rat learned much faster.  My roommate is now a doctor."
--Dave Barry
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: spif@tiuk.ti.com (David Pardoe)
Subject: Batman Returns cartoon on UK TV?
Reply-To: a905576@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:13:50 GMT

The latest edition of the Radio Times (UK TV listings magazine) mentions a new 
Saturday morning kids show "What's Up Doc?" on ITV. In the details of the program
it says "It includes the first showing of two new cartoons, Batman Returns and
Taz-Mania"

Does anyonr know if this Batman Returns cartoon is what I think it is (the new Fox series)?

David
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Dvandom reads too many comics
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:40:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University

Well, the quickest way I can tell if my pull is short any given week is that if
I don't have at least $20 of comics in my hands, some of the books didn't reach
my box.  Of course, a friend of mine buys at least $30 a week, but then, he 
buys mulitple copies and is into Image.
     Dave Van Domelen, Disclaimer: These opinions do not reflect light
                       Datclaimer: Those opinions don't either
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Comic Shops in Pittsburgh
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:28:53 GMT

In article <oebKX8K00io3IAWUtI@andrew.cmu.edu>, Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Does anybody out in net.land know of any good comic shops in the
> Pittsburgh (read: within walking or biking distance of Carnegie-Mellon
> University) area?  Looking for mostly DC stuff (Hellblazer, Sandman,
> Demon, Mosaic), Dark Horse (DHP, American), and Brother Man.

The closest one is PHANTOM OF THE ATTIC.  And a very good store it is, too.
Just walk down Forbes, and go North on S. Craig(?) (there's a Unimart in the
corner of Forbes and Craig, if I still remember correctly).

There's also BEM in Wilkinsburg(?), an EXCELLENT alternative store (reminds
me of HALLEY'S COMICS here in Chi-town).  Problem is, you'll have to drive
or get a bus or train to get there from CMU.

Avoid Eide's like the plague, unless you have no choice.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dvandom reads too many comics
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:29:09 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University









                          ...sad...









                                        wReam...



P.S.  I'd try to psychoanalyze this behavior, if I had a clue as to why it
existed...  Truly is pitiful though...

:)  <--- Safety Net
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Mark Hamill and Villains in movies (was Re: Batman and X-Men cartoons
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:31:30 GMT

In article <92245.155416U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Hamil in his interview for Entertainment Tonight said that he loved
>playing the Trickster mainly because he was having fun being insane.
>If they came out with an  insane hero (Ambush Bug: The Movie, or perhaps
>the Heckler would be more his speed) he'd have more fun with that. 
     ^^^^^^^
Y'know, that's not a half-bad image...hmm...

>Also,
>you must remember, who were you quoting more when Batman (the first
>Burton film) came out.  Raise your hands  if you said  Joker.
>About the only Batman quote I really heard was "I gotta go to work" and
>that was unintentional.

That was partially because it seemed that Batman had next to no lines.  
Compared to Keaton, the fire hydrants were talkative!:)

The Walrus

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From: mkelly@twain.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Sandman DYN and more Dream's recent lover
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:40:29 GMT

 ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>>Reading this post reminded me of something I noticed while reading Sandman #9
>>(or a number close to that), "The Sound of Her Wings."  In the scene in which
>>Dream and Death are sitting in front of an apartment building, the building
>>in the background is a mirror-image of the one on the cover of Led Zeppelin's
>>"Physical Graffiti" album.  I haven't noticed any other occurrences like this,
>>but do any of you know of other examples where the artists got lazy with the
>>background?
>
>Don't rule out the possibility that Gaiman photographed Washington Square Park
>in the Village in NYC (where that issue takes place) for the artist to use and
>it just so happens that a photograph/drawing was also used by LedZep for that
>album. It's a pretty famous area so it doesn't shock me that it has appeared
>in other places...

For those of you who aren't familiar with Washington Square park, today's
NY Times has a photograph of the arch, also seen in that issue of Sandman.


--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:46:27 GMT
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology

In article <BtIwBw.G9q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger) writes:

>>Dealer: "OK, that's 33; take two more comics and I'll call it an even
>>         $100"

>Maybe he is going to wallpaper his apartment. Nah... he is a fanboy,
>He will cherish all 33 copies, plus the other 50 he has at home.

Actually, a wall covered with multiple copies of the same issue would
give an interesting Andy Warhol style ambiance to a room, don't you
think? :)

More seriously, I've been known to hang up on the wall various *nice*
cover art issues (all bagged-- can't figure out any other way to hang
it-- with one of them an early Question issue signed in silver ink by
Denys Cowan, so it looks like real art :).  So, a couple of
questions...

1. Does anyone else use comics as wall art?  Which issues?

2. Does this damage the comics at all seriously (curling, fading...)?

Actually, make that three (weapons of the Spanish Inquisition)...

3. I've never bought an original art page to hang; has anyone out
there done so?  What did you get?  How's it look?

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From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: INDY: Espers
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:23:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Rebecca Drayer (REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu) writes:

>Does anyone remember the Espers limited series?  There were five issues, and
>I believe it was done by Valiant.

Try Eclipse.  Long before Valiant was even an idea.

Five issues were published by Eclipse, circa 1987.  It was originally supposed
to be a four-issue mini-series, but was extended to a continuing series, and
then cancelled.

The writer, James Hudnall, then took it to Epic, in 1990 or so, where it became
Interface, and had another nine issue, picking up where #4 of the first series
had left off.

As I recall, it was cancelled mid-storyline the second time, too.

------------------------------
                             |     As I stared, the kid's plate spun around on
Jim Drew                     | the counter.  When he stopped it, he took a bite
jrd@frame.com                | of the mashed potatoes in front of him.  Then he
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | released the plate, and it began to spin again;
"Innocent, but not naive."   | he stopped it for a bite of chicken fried steak.
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Did you ever have the feeling you were
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | being watched?"  I asked the sheriff, and looked
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | from side to side.  "By David Lynch?"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
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From: swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Shadow)
Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:47:14 GMT


What I always wondered about hanging them up on the walls like you see
in the comic shops is the light hitting them...  i.e., sunlight...
doesn't seem like that would be too good, eh?  What about artificial
lighting, though?

or, of course...  just do like JNIEMANN and tear all the pages
apart...  <CRINGE>  

ahh...  that just brought something else to mind...  does anybody else
cringe when they walk by a stand-up display of comics in places like
the supermarket?  All of those bent/ripped/mutilated books hanging out
of the racks...  or maybe thats just me...
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&D) <SPOILERS!!>
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:24:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.715544698
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>>           Why the sequence is called "Mothers and Daughters"

>The entire 50-issue arch is called M&D.  Why, I don't know yet.

Given the Cirinist obsession with that subject (Mothers and
Daughters), I think that would be the most probable explaination.
-- 
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at
your side. -- Han Solo
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:48:29 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>  tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
 
> [re: The resolution of DOLL'S HOUSE]]
>> I thought that resolution was the whole point. It's like, at the end of the
>> _Doll's House_ storyline, expecting Rose Walker to die.
> 
> Actually, conventional comics wisdom dictates that she wouldn't, especially
> after we're told she has to die (it's an old cliche).  I would have been
> surprised if she had indeed died.

Mm. I think you have hacked out a crucial line of my post: "It's only at the
end of #15, when Gilbert tells us that Morpheus is to kill Rose, that we have
any inkling she's not going to die". In a way, Rose's death would have
illustrated Morpheus' cold dedication to duty perfectly - as I still think
Dream's recent ex- will do/does.

Conventional comics wisdom be damned! I was sure she was going to die, and
Gaiman originally intended it. He received a lot of Save Rose messages and
a nice little plot twist was born.

>> Along the way we have the horrors of people being unpleasant to each
>> other: street thugs and serial killers in _Doll's House_, the larger
>> pettinesses of gods in _Season of Mists_.
> 
> Ah yes, this was good.  But note that this is, again,
> just good character writing.

I didn't say any different. But giving the keys to any of these divine pressure
groups woud have been just as character-driven a plot. Just good character
writing <laugh>. That's an interesting word, "just".

>> I think the climax is there in the exquisite agony of Remiel,
>> and Duma's silent acceptance. 
> 
> It didn't feel like a climax.  It felt more like a subplot, especially
> Duma's "silent" acceptance (note the quotes!).  It left me wanting for
> more (which is, of course, the intent).

Duma is an angel of silence. What do you expect? & I've wanted more on most of
_The Sandman_ so far!
 
>> I suspect that finding Death "cute" is infra dig. |-)
> 						    ^
> "infra who"?  And why are you wearing shades? ------^	!8-)

Infra dignitatem = undignified, beneath one's dignity. & I *always* wear shades
- mirrored, mostly, but just tinted to prescription for my reading glasses.

Tanaqui

"I'm so happy, cos today I found my friends; they're in my head       Nirvana
 I'm not sad, and just maybe, I'm too plain for all I've heard"      _Lithium_
From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dream's recent lover
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:34:56 GMT
	<w2myzw+@rpi.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 25-Aug-92 Dream's recent
lover Lou P. Wainwright@aix.rp (2027)

> If we trust Desire's oath (which I do) we have no reason to belive that  
Delirium's quest is related to Dream's love troubles.

I personally trust Desire about as far as I can pitch a rhinoceros. 

When I was thinking about this issue, I recalled something about hir
wording. I went to check it, thought it was verified, and promptly
forgot the details. But --
I'm almost positive that Desire weaseled. Se said se had nothing to do
with Delerium's quest, or Dream's recent heartbreak; earlier, that Dream
had screwed up his affair all by himself. Desire never *quite* said that
se had not *caused* the affair; only that se had nothing to do with its
conclusion.

This is a very fine point, and Desire *did* claim to be telling the
whole truth. But I don't know. Certainly if this is all part of Desire's
plotting, all se needed to do was to cause Dream to fall in love; se
knew (as did the rest of us) that it would end messily whether Desire
interfered or not.

I agree that Desire did not give Del her quest idea; Desire was clearly
very upset and nervous about the possibility of Olethros being found.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
From: nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Krypton's moons?
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:49:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug25.032902.11654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>Earlier today I was struck by the fact that I have completely
>forgotten the names of Krypton's two moons.  The most recent Who's
>Who made no mention, and all of my sources are at my father's house.
>This is one of those things that keep you up at night for no
>particular reason...  :-)
>
>Does anyone remember the names of Krypton's two moons?
>
      I do not remember this. 
      Did the moons turn into kryptonite when Krypton exploded?
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: THE HULK 398/Ghost of the Past 2
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.022449.8859@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Spoilers below:

>It looks like Marlo is dead, and story-wise there doesn't seem to be
>much point to it.  A neat character when introduced, she's been watered

I have the advantage of having already read the next issue in photocopy
form at San Diego. Without giving much, if anything, away, next issue 
focuses on the repercussions of Marlo's death and particularly on Rick's
reaction and attempts to fix things. Personally I consider it to be one
of Peter's best, and I'm awaiting #400 which was available at the con only
in very fuzzy and undialogued photocopy form. Let's put it this way, although
it's something of a backhand compliment, the story was good enough that it
took me several hours to realize that there was a flaw of omission in it
which doesn't affect the actual story.

"You know which one I like? When Kirk got split into his good and evil halves.
Don't know why. I just liked it." --Hulk on Star Trek (let's see Shatner tell
him to "Get a life!"...)
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Spawn (Oh Boy I Am In For It...)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:23:49 GMT

...but I actually...LIKE...Spawn.
Before you start flaming me to a crispy, let me introduce myself. I
read Cerebus and Sandman. I loved Watchman, thought that Milk and
Cheese #1 and #2 were funny (though #3 stunk), LOVE PAD's work,
and even enjoy poring over the ol' Stan Lee Spiderman stuff (though 
not his newspaper stuff now...no more fun.)
AND let it be known that I thought McFarlane's Spidey stuff was GOD-
AWFUL. Not just the writing, but the art was bad. Only one scene in
the Spiderman trade was thrilling (the upside-down part), falling
far short of the Ditko/Romita/Kane era. Hell, Larry Lieber was more
fun than that stuff.
BUT, having said that, I like Spawn. You can throw the rest in the
dumper, including W.I.L.D.Cats, but give me my Spawn. Sure, the story
is slow, but at least McFarlane is using the active tense (which is a
far cry from the early Spidey stuff). And it's not bad for what it is,
which is a supernatural-type story. It's a little clever (even with
some bits of Marvel costumes sewn in...), and the art is, well...
wonderful. My biggest problem with the Spidey stuff was the dorky,
ugly Parker faces. McFarlane's faces always had too many lines. Now,
he's making smoother facial expressions, and his TV faces are really
nice and cartoony. Add some spectacular coloring, and Orc(I'm going to
spell this name wrong anyway, so just now it's the former X-Men
letterer...)i, and nice paper...and, well, I like it.
Besides, did anyone else note the Cerebus appearance? Yup. On the
inside back cover of Spawn # 3, McFarlane gave Sim a free ad space 
(check the Note From The President in Cerebus #161 for details). 
It's a nice touch. I mean, sure, McFarlane isn't self-publishing, but
he is recognizing the importance of those who do. Can't wait
to see CereSpawn!
Ray Cornwall
U of D


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