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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: east is east, and west is west
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:47:48 GMT

In article <1685FA23B.MTURN01@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> MTURN01@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Turner, Martha Axler) writes:
>>
>Emter smiles at the dark elf, and adds, "What about highest and lowest
>altitude for Callihanians? Here in Houston, we're a grand total of
>seven feet above sea level (I think)."

I probably beat that, at least part of the day.  I dwell across the street
from the ocean, toil a few blocks from the bay, and ride the subway.

Anton
-- 
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Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms.
From: JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: An old friend finds his way back...
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:35:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Jack graciously accepts the offered hug. "It's good to be back, Kitten. I hadn'
t
realized just how much I enjoyed this Place untill my absence. I hope never to
leave."

A teary eye forms as Jack begins to see more old friends.

Frosty
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:27:38 EDT
From: <JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Approriate Gift

Jack's made his way to the bar and retrieved another hot sake from Mike followi
ng his minor entrance earlier. Not to be undone though, he thinks it's time to
pop a question.

"My question, to all around, is rather simple (or so I think). I trust you all
will provide interesting and useful responses. You've provided myself and
others with adequate counsle in the past and I'm sure it will continue. Ok,
Let the games begin! My question is:

      What is an appropriate item as a pre-engagement gift/ring/token?"

Jack realizes this may lead to other questions not neccessarily pose by him-
self, but he'll deal with those later. Let's stick to my original proposal.

Frosty
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: krisj@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Kristina Johansson)
Subject: re: food, glorious food
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:21:12 GMT

Raven swoops over to the trolley. "Dim Sum, yum yum" says she as she lands
on the edge.  "Those wouldn't happen to be  shrimp dumplings wrapped
in rice noodles?" she asks, eyeing a container on Grapevines trolley. "If
so, could i please have a few?"

Raven
From: JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET (Jeff Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: >a timid enterence
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:48:10 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Happy the Man watches bowl after bowl of milk being presented to the
ocelot.  "I'll put a dollar on your tab just in case you want something
later.  Welcome."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Never Never Land pt2
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:48:18 GMT

In article <brumby.715832691@nella11.cc.monash.edu.au>, brumby@nella11.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) writes:
>
>   The brumby stands close to the fireplace, steaming slightly as the
>spring rains evaporate from his coat. After a while, he stretches, turn
>half around, and lets his considerable equine weight fall to the floor. He
>rests his nose on the floor and closes his eyes. Soon, his ears start to
>twitch. He is dreaming.

StM looks very concerned.  "Horses usually sleep standing up.  When they decide
to collapse, it's generally a sign of trouble.  Brumby!  Are you OK?  Are
horses from Oz that different from US horses?"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:05:28 GMT

Alfvaen listens to Jason & Pegasus' description of moving.  "3000 books?  Gee,
that'll take me a couple of years, at the rate I'm buying...1500, last I
counted a year ago...  Running out of bookshelf space fast, and about a third
of those are as yet unread..."

Then a look of horror crosses his face.  "You know, my wife and I are probably
going to have to move someday...we better do it soon before a)our current
apartment explodes, and b)we get too much stuff to move in a 24 hour period...
although it should also wait for c)my finding another job.  (Still looking...
but hopefully it won't involve an extraurban move.)"

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"What have I done to piss the gods off?"  ---Terence Trent D'Arby
Current Album--Elton John:Sleeping With The Past
Current Read--John Updike:Rabbit, Run
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:57:33 GMT
	<STEVE.92Sep10093607@diana.Advansoft.COM> <6wvnx5j.aahz@netcom.com>
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

"I've been tempted for *years* to put my books into a database." says
the Mandelbear. "The reason I haven't yielded to that temptation is
that I know who gets to do all the data entry work!"
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From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: libertarianism
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:26:49 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez
Distribution: alt

In article <8289.3569@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
>"You know, in all this discussion of vitamins, etc. there is a
>thread that annoys me, which is a very American attitude, in
>its worst sense.  It's that the society is somehow responsible
>for the actions of the individual.  Folks who sue because they
>took to much vitamin A, or fourty-two asperin, or complain
>that the vaccuum didn't have a warning lable saying it was
>"not to be used for sexual purposes" are people I regard as
>working on their personal Darwinian selection, and *I*
>personally have no sympathy for their problem.  It leads to
>such madness as the (possibly apocrythcal) warning label on
>the lawnmower about not sharpening the blade while the motor
>is running.

I agree with you, as far as you've gone.  Problem is, where is the
protection against others' malice?  Suppose I tell you that I'm a
doctor, and that Vitamin X is good for you.  But, it's laced with a bit
of arsenic, and so you feel sick and come running back to me.  "Ah, it
must be an allergic reaction.  Try Vitamin Y (at three times the price),
and you'll soon feel better."

Any state-less society of our size can only deal with that situation
through the application of information.  But where does that information
come from?  Private sources?  Don't make me laugh.  I'm currently caught
in a situation where Equifax is claiming to my insurer that I have a
speeding ticket -- easily disproved through the simple expedient of
calling the DMV.

Much as I dislike it on one level, I understand in my gut why the public
cries out for more regulation.  The obscene spectre lurking in our
imagination is fear of ignorance -- fear of the incompetent doctor,
lawyer, engineer, plumber,.....

Until I see evidence of a workable plan for regulating the flow of
information such that we need not become experts on every subject under
the sun, I will continue to assume that Libertarians (and other forms of
minarchy) really want to splinter this society into smaller ones.  So
much for technology and progress.

My suspicion as this point is that we haven't yet gotten radical enough
in our ideas to support a society this large on any basis other than
what we currently do.  Contrariwise, no plans more radical than those
currently espoused have much chance of convincing the public to change.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

IRWTFM -- and that ain't fun
From: mdm@SPARC2.PRIME.COM (Michael D. McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: where I am and things with wings
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:51:33 GMT


		The dark elf talks with Soprano.  "You're more
	eastern then me?  By 2.5 degrees?  Oh...heck.  So much for
	fame, wealth, and notoriety, with my dreams and ambitions dashed 
	upon the rocks like so many cheap and chintzy (yet somewhat elegant
	in its innocence) faux china cups, the sort that were reportedly
	all the rage during the 50's.  Hey, maybe I should enter that
	last sentence into the Bulwer-Lytton contest."

		The dark elf talks to Castellan.  "Actually, my office
	is situated in Cambridge, MA, right next to Fresh Pond.  Wait, is 
	this becoming a RL in the making?  Hmmmmm, we'll have to see..."

		The dark elf listens in on Feather, about how a tiny
	ocelot would be an ocelittle.  "Eep!  Where're the peanuts?
	But y'know, a small group of lions could me a mope (as opposed
	to a pride), and a small group of crows could be an aggravated
	assault (rather than a murder of them).  Anyone else want to
	come up with minimized group names?"

		"But with all this talk of avians at Callahan's, I'm
	reminded of the last Arisia convention Masquerade.  There were
	quite a few entries with wings.  I was an overlord from Childhood's
	End; there were also a gelfling from Dark Crystal, a wood sprite
	from Legend, a rock elf, and a few others.  We had a group picture
	taken (I believe the title was Things with Wings).  Now I have to
	remind myself to get working on my next costume (Arisia this year
	I believe is the weekend of the 14th of January, at the Park Plaza 
	hotel in Boston, so make your plans now)."

		"I just saw The Black Hole the other day on cable.  Its
	hard to believe another piece of childhood is gone.  To Tony
	Perkins!  <SLURP!  CRASH!>"

	Michael, the Chaotic
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:21:40 GMT

In article <9225716.2016@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> baillie@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Stephen Baillie) writes:

>That's something I don't really understand.  Why do people hoard books?

More fun than wallpaper.

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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:12:55 GMT
Subject: Re: My list
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:

> In article <122420112@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >
> >Political affiliation:  I am the world's one and only socialist libertarian.
> 
> How many pseudonyms do you use?


Hehehehehe.  Now this was TRULY funny.

doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: My list
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:00:22 GMT

In article <122420112@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>                    ....  My reading used to be dominated
>                    by trash fiction (mostly science fiction) and horror,  

trash _and_ horror?

>                    it had something to do with the fact that I
>                    have no empirical evidence that any of the rest
>                    of you computer people even exist as anything
>                    other than ascii files in my unix system.

I have more than once met someone in the flesh and been unaware at first tht
we were already virtual acquaintances.  Yesterday it happened the other way
around.  I went to a party at Keith Henson's, and was looking forward to
meeting Tim May for the first time.  Turned out we had met several times
before, but never exchanged names.
>
>Political affiliation:  I am the world's one and only socialist libertarian.

How many pseudonyms do you use?

-- 
Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: A timid entrance
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:48:16 GMT

Splash cautiously steps past the big cat who is now timidly lapping at the
saucer of milk, and makes his way to the bar.  He calls Mike over and says "Put
our new friend's milk requirements on my tab"  (Thank heavens for virtual money
- I can be a generous as I _really_ want to be  :-)  )  He carefully approaches
the wary creature and gingerly extends a hand to give a scratch behind the 
ears of the watchful feline.  "Hello little lady" he says softly.

I'm generally not a cat person, although I get on well with most animals
... I guess being an aquatic vegetarian is not the best qualification for
dealing with cats :-)

Splash!
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: brumby@nella11.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Subject: Re: Never Never Land pt2
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:24:51 GMT


   The brumby stands close to the fireplace, steaming slightly as the
spring rains evaporate from his coat. After a while, he stretches, turn
half around, and lets his considerable equine weight fall to the floor. He
rests his nose on the floor and closes his eyes. Soon, his ears start to
twitch. He is dreaming.

ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively) writes:

>     The group sets down on what should be Never never land.  But it never
>looked like this.  It is dull and grey.  No color to it whatsoever.  It makes
>the beginning of Wizard of OZ( book or movie take you pick, I prefer the
>book :)) look like a neon acid trip.  The water has an eerie gray cast to it
>and smells like raw sewage.  There are a few withered remains of trees, all
>dry and broken up.  The sky has a pallid grey look, which oozes impending
>doom.

   The brumby stares around, then turns and tries to look at his tail. The
usual sparkles are gone. Against the grey background his dream self is almost
invisible. Only the few glints left in his mane and the deep, warm brown
of his eyes remain.

>     " Pixie " Bear yells, " You sure this is the right place?  This looks more
>the bikini atoll( where the natives wear no bikini atoll:))"

   The brumby looks fit to be tide. In fact, he's fit to be coral-ed.
   "Atoll-ed you this would happen."
   
[...]
>     " How should I know!  I am just a plot device!"

   "Does that mean if we hook you up to a computer you could draw us a
map?"

[...]
>     " Come back alone and we'll see."  the mermaid grins slyly and dives
>under.

>AS WE LEAVE OUR GROUP, ONE BY ONE THE PARTY IS SHARING THIER HAPPY THOUGHT,
(For a future post)
>WHILE BEAR LUSTS AFTER THE MERMAID, WISHING HE WAS A BETTER SWIMMER........

   Considering the state of the water, the brumby is glad that he isn't a
sea-horse.

>By Mark Lively(ML5A@andrew.cmu.edu) and
>Cathy Ridings(U3E67@WVNVM.bitnet) and

-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE)
Subject: re: A friend is Dead
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:52:20 GMT



 "Sigh. I don't know your friend, but I'm here if you need to talk, " DJ.

{ I can't tell if my messages are reaching alt.callahans, but I must try. }

<hug>

 { attempted repost... Sep 8. Sorry its late, DJ }


* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim "DJ." Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Appl. Comp. Sci.
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* "I'm a computer operator and I'm Ok !" me.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Guess who's coming to Dinner, PT3 or so...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:49:14 GMT


>	He sighed, and picked up his drink.  He again raised the amber 
>meade to the ceiling (although not so closely, this time) and spoke 
>his toast.
>	"To this shit society, the one that needs anasthesia to even 
>tolerate it."  In two slow, measured draughts, he drained the mug.
>Instead of throwing the glass at the fireplace, he crushed it in 
>his hands.  He then went to the fireplace and proceeded to pick 
>glass out of his hand, carefully depositing each fragment in the
>enormous hearth.
>	He turned to us, and said. "Hi.  I'm the Laughing Priest."
>He then held up his hands, showing us the superficial gashes 
>laft by the mug.  "And this is my joke.  I laugh because I 
>can't cry."
>	He laughed, a deep, low, belly laugh.  It grew, both in volume
>and force.

"hello, good father..." says kitten gently..."a laugh and a tear are
very close together...and the soul can be healed with either...hug?" 
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Mudder... Mudder... (Speak up man, I can't hear you!)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 09 Sep 92  22:40:36

>->kitten grins...."mudders are always welcome here."
  
   Wales looks up from his table in the back.  (He's obviously
snuck back in after vacation.)
  
  "Whew!  That's a relief."  He fishes in his canvas satchel for a
moment, finally coming up with a dusty framed certificate.  He
carefully blows the dust off, and polishes the glass face with his
sleeve before turning it to the crowd.
  "Harvey Mudd College.  Class of '77.  Physics.  With a minor in
medieval history."
 
   He carefully puts the document back away in the bottom of his
stachel.
   "Actually, it's interesting that you've heard of HMC.  The
running gag when I was there it was "Harvey Who? College"."
  
  And numerous other stories --
   Nobody's seem the school colors - obviously they're infrared and
ultraviolet. :-)
   There were four dorms when I was there; North Dorm, South Dorm,
East Dorm, and West Dorm.  They've since added two more; obviously
they're Up Dorm and Down Dorm  (or is it Color and Charm?). :-)
  
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 Wales Larrison                           Space Technology Investor
 (Look for me in the yearbook practicing for a future career as a
pizza parlor entertainer....)
  

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:16:55 GMT

In article <122420117@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>In alt.callahans, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>> Do you know enough about microeconomics to understand the technical definition
>> of a "public good"?  Essentially, a public good is one that can't be provided
>> to some people without also providing it to others.  Let's look at a few
>> examples.
>>    o	The one most libertarians agree on:  National defense.  Obviously if
>> 	you defend the nation, ALL citizens receive the benefits of that
>> 	defense;
>> 
>
>Some more than others.  It is a common tactic of the american war
>machine to arrange things so that the poor fight and die to protect
>everyone.  Most notable are cases in the civil war where there
>was a draft, and people were allowed to pay $300 not to be
>drafted.  In VietNam, this was accomplished through college deferement.

Actually, what you're saying isn't that some reeive more of the benefits of
that defense than others, but that some bear more of the cost than others.
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: libertarianism
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:11:46 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>This guy really deserved to be put in a mental
>institution.  [...]

But keep in mind that it is cheaper to support him outside of a mental
institution than inside it.

>	1)  This guy's not playing with a full deck, so we've got to support him
>and
>	2)  This guy's qualified to help decide public policy
>Now, some of us see a bit of a problem with espousing both 1) and 2)
>simultaneously.  Of course, those with a more socialist point of view claim
>that people like me, who say that someone incompetent enough that I have to
>support him is too incompetent to be allowed to vote, are social Darwinists and
>evil.  

So is your criterion that people who need to be financially supported 
should not be allowed to vote? Or that people with recognizeable mental 
disorders who need to be supported should not be allowed to vote?

Firecat
--
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Yet *another* survey form answer (from C-Hawk, this time)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:51:13 GMT


>(Done by cut and paste from Lynne's post; yell at me if I missed anything
>that was in the original....)

>Current Name: Palmer T. Davis
>Alter Ego: C-Hawk
>Birith Date: What's today's date, Birith?  *rumble*  September 10, I guess...

"HI!!!!!!!! c-hawk.....hi birith....it's about time you guys came
back....cm'ear and give us a kiss....."  kitten bounces up and leaps
on c-hawk....
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Mudder... Mudder... (Speak up man, I can't hear you!)
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:11:47 GMT

eesshlgb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (S H L G Bisson) writes:

>Ignatz has been reading a book on Quantum-electrodynamics.

Such topics really spin me out - I guess it's the inherent a-symmetry of my
brain.  It doesn't stop me trying to read about these things though, I guess
I'm just a glutton for pun-ishment.  I suppose I'd better quit here before I
get too physical - I _am_ just a biologist!

Splash!
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* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
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