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From: roa@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Bowfishing
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:19:12 GMT

z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> Are there any avid bpwfishing enthusiasts out there ?Send story,questions
> or comments !
>                                Aim Lo !
> 
> David Hanson
> Where Men are Men and Fish are scared!!!
> 

	David,

	What kind of equipment (reels, line, points, etc) do you use?
And does it vary with the type of fish your after or does 'one size
fit all'??? I guess you are using a fiberglass arrow..... Do you have
problems with line wear where it is attached to the point/arrow?? What
type of arrow rest is best?
Between huntin' and fishin', it's hard to find the time to throw in an
extra adventure....

later
bobby


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From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Bowfishing
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:03:18 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Are there any avid bpwfishing enthusiasts out there ?Send story,questions
or comments !
                               Aim Lo !

David Hanson
Where Men are Men and Fish are scared!!!
From: leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul Scott Bartelt)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: carp?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:13:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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Originator: leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


You guys want to eat carp??? I wouldn't dine on something that dines
on the bottom of any wisconsin inland water lakes. I've never had carp
and this seems to me to be a valid excuse. Somebody tell me I'm wrong
and inform me otherwise.

						Paul Scott Bartelt
						leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 



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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Re: carp?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:09:53 GMT

This may be slighlty off the subject (I've never eaten Carp before)
however, here in the South (Alabama to be exact) we eat Catfish, Shrimp 
and Crawfish.  All are scavengers on the bottom of lakes, rivers and/or
oceans.  While I personally don't care for Catfish too much (edible but 
not my favorite), it's hard to tear me away from the shellfish.  BTW, 
for the Carp hunters, how does Carp taste?

-Dman-
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Hoyt Gold Medallist
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:19:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


	Does anyone know how much these bows cost?
	(what could I expect to pay for one).

	Like set up for competitive shooting:

	Lets say 40# (if that is a competition weight)
	at 29-30"
	68" length

	A good sight and stabilizers

	(I know this is a general question, but please try to answer it...)



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From: mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance)
Subject: Re: Why isn't this rec.archery?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:14:06 GMT

vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:

>Perhaps alt.archery gets further than rec.archery? (I am in Sweden).

Hi, Ake!

Actually, no, the "alt" groups are propigated to fewer system than the
"mainstream" groups.  The reason that "alt.archery" was created rather
than "rec.archery" or "rec.sport.archery" is that it's much easier to
create an "alt" newsgroup than a newsgroup in one of the mainstream
hierarchies.  Essentially, all you need to do is send out a addgoup
message for the new alt group.  With the "rec" groups, you have to go
through a very long process of discussion, voting, and approval
criteria in order to have a new newsgroup created net-wide.

However, since alt.archery seems to be a going concern, maybe it's
time for someone to post a RFD (Request for Discussion) in news.groups
for creating a "rec.sport.archery".  The details on the process are in
a FAQ posting in news.answers every month, if someone is interested.

Michael A. Chance
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From: mcoonrod@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Mike Coonrod)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:13:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Why isn't this rec.archery?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: alt.archery

Why are any of us here?
From: phs454v@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Help in selecting bow 
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:59:04 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Thanks to all those who sent mail and posted in reply to my request for
help selecting a bow for a friend.

To those who mentioned it -- yes I did mean that the sight was at the bottom
of the slide not the top. It was low enough to interfere with the arrow.

I should also mention that the bow in question belongs to the club at which we
both shoot and was not what you would call the best bow in the world in any
case. Thus the ultimate goal was a new bow while help with the old one was more
a stop-gap measure.

Having said that; she has now found a new bow thanks to someone from
Melbourne (Australia; which where we are for those who did not notice the
origin line in the header) who suggested a few local places. The bow is a
Browning Micro Midas, and while I don't know much about such things, is
apparently a bow designed for young shooters. Nevertheless she is quite happy
and has already seen a marked inprovement in her shooting.
Once again, thanks all those who replied.

Peter.
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From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: Bowfishing
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:09:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Sure hope this one gets going.  There is a nice place for carp hunting a mere
10 minutes from my house.  I could sure use some tips.  I have a home-made
rig, consisting of a closed-face reel mounted on one of those old store
display rods (you know, the 1 foot long rod handle that sticks out from the
wall so they can mount a reel for display).  This threads into the stabilizer
inset on my bow.  Running a 50# line on it.

Bill Blohm     

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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: J.O.A.D.
Organization: the vms company
Date: 18 NOV 92 14:13:37 EST


re:  (Brent Irvine) writes...
> 
> 
>	What does the term JOAD mean?

	1 answer: JOAD = Junior Olympic Archery Development

		Local and regional programs to encourage youth to shoot
		Olympic/FITA style archery.        	


	Can't help you on the other 2 terms.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: ejh2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Dread Pirate Roberts)
Subject: Re: release
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: w
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:28:32 GMT

In article <1e8udgINNnau@uwm.edu> leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul Scott Bartelt) writes:
>To Mr Duggan....
>
>	If this was the first time that you used a release, I'm not
>surprised at the outcome of the experience. The first time I used my
>release I almost s**t in my pants. 
>It's a little like shooting a flint-lock musket. Pull the trigger and 
>wait. If you squeeze thru the shot real slow it's especially agonizing 
>because your not exactly sure
>when the release will let go and when it does.....BANG! 
>
True, though, with practice ynd proper tuning of both the bow and
release, you can control your shot much better and get a much cleaner
release.  The first time I used mY release, I almost let go of my bow.
As I was wearing a sling, this actualy improved my shot, because
before, i had been torquing the bow with my bow hand by gripping it
too hard.  Anyway, enjoy your shooting.

-ed

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From: cas@po.CWRU.Edu (Christine A. Schragal)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: First Time Bow Buyer
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:50:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cas@po.CWRU.Edu (Christine A. Schragal)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


	I shot for about a year in college, quite succesfully, with a school-
owned Bear recurve, 25 pound.  (Not by any means a good bow, but I did very
well with it.)  After being out of practice for some time, I'm thinking about
purchasing a bow of my own, preferably used.
	My main question is: What price range should I look for/expect?
Also, if there is anyone in my area (Cleveland) who knows of any possibilities
I would appreciate knowing about them.
	If possible, please reply by e-mail, as I usually don't have access to
this board.
	Thank!!!!
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From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: release
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:04:55 GMT
Distribution: w
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Since you mention using a sling, could you offer any comments on how the
sling should be set up?  I have one on mine, but am not sure if it is as
tight as it should be, or is too tight, or what.

Bill Blohm     

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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: darkness                
Organization: the vms company
Distribution: w
Date: 23 NOV 92 14:51:08 EST


re: (Paul Scott Bartelt) .....
> 
>	I've got a question for all you bonfide arhers out there....
>A few years ago, ......
>shoot at). My boss, mildly impressed, then shut off all the lights to
>my dismay. He told me to shoot at what I 'know' not what I 'see'.
>Of the 3 shots I took in the dark (it was almost as black as the
>screen you are reading this of of) all three hit the back stop. Mind
>you they didn't hit the plate I put up as a target but they were
>close. Not being an instinctive shooter (pins and release) I thought i
>did prety good. Has any body else tried blind shooting. I suppose this
>would be much easier for instinctive shooters, but the target was not
>visible and even they need to aim at an object. Some of you long bow
>and recurve guys should have some input.

Hey PB,

	Have you been reading the alt.sport.darts group at all? I just put
	in a message about shooting darts in the night with no lights on....
	and compared it to shooting archery in the dark too a couple of weeks
	ago. Check out the classic "Zen and the Art of Archery" book. Old, 
	probably have to find a good public library system. 

	be the arrow.....

-old recurve guy  :-}
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: J.O.A.D.
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:15:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign



	What does the term JOAD mean?

	How about IBO?  3-D?

	Confused....

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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: carp?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:48:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: the vms company


re: (Paul Scott Bartelt) ......
>You guys want to eat carp??? I wouldn't dine on something that dines
>on the bottom of any wisconsin inland water lakes. I've never had carp
>and this seems to me to be a valid excuse. Somebody tell me I'm wrong
>and inform me otherwise.

	Nothing wrong with carp...or catfish for that matter. Send all the
	carp you can catch/shoot...I'll eat it....but, then, I'll eat most 
	anything! :-)

	Bottom-feeders...top, who cares, flounder are bottom-feeders too....
	I haven't heard of many people rejecting filet of sole. 8-p
From: system@condor.navsses.navy.mil
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Why isn't this rec.archery?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:19:06 GMT
Organization: NSWCCD, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA

In article <VADER.92Nov18134244@meryl.csd.uu.se>, vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
> Someone asked the question in the subject line.
> 
> I do not know what constitutes the difference between alt and rec
> groups. But before this group appeared, I had access to no archery
> group at all on the local usenet machine. Perhaps alt.archery gets
> further than rec.archery? (I am in Sweden).
> 
> ]ke Eldberg

according to the latest newsgroup lists (and CHECKGROUP postings) that I have
seen there is NO REC.ARCHERY news group.  If someone out there feels that there
is enough support (see below) out there to attempt to get REC.ARCHERY created,
I would support that effort.

In order to create a new newsgroup in the mainstream hierachies (COMP.*,
NEWS.*, MISC.*, REC.*, SCI.*, SOC.*, & TALK.*) the group must be discussed and
voted upon.  For NEW a group to pass it must recieve a 2/3rd majority of YES
votes and at least 100 more YES votes that NO votes (see "Guidelines for
newsgroup creation", periodically posted in NEWS.ANSWERS)

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Disclaimer - I speak for myself.  No-one else.
From: leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul Scott Bartelt)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: release
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:56:32 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: w
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

To Mr Duggan....

	If this was the first time that you used a release, I'm not
surprised at the outcome of the experience. The first time I used my
release I almost s**t in my pants. It really makes a difference in
arrow speed and the feel of the shot. It's a little like shooting a
flint-lock musket. Pull the trigger and wait. If you squeeze thru the
shot real slow it's especially agonizing because your not exactly sure
when the release will let go and when it does.....BANG! Anyway, just
thought I'd put in my two cents (pence) worth of comments.

						Paul Scott Bartelt
						leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

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From: melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin)
Subject: Re: darkness
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:32:32 GMT
Distribution: w
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In article <1eh0fsINN3e9@uwm.edu>, leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul Scott Bartelt) writes:
[stuff deleted]
|> He told me to shoot at what I 'know' not what I 'see'.
|> Of the 3 shots I took in the dark (it was almost as black as the
|> screen you are reading this of of) all three hit the back stop. Mind
|> you they didn't hit the plate I put up as a target but they were
|> close. Not being an instinctive shooter (pins and release) I thought i
|> did prety good. Has any body else tried blind shooting. I suppose this
|> would be much easier for instinctive shooters, but the target was not
|> visible and even they need to aim at an object. Some of you long bow
|> and recurve guys should have some input.
[stuff deleted]

"Blind" shooting is sometimes very useful for controlling ones style.
When practising I sometimes shoot some arrows this way, but only on a 
target which is no more than 10 metres away. It is quite useful, 
because it helps me to remember the actual movements of the muscles
(or rather how they should move) without having to worry about aiming. 
It always amazed me, how tight the arrows grouped (Ok, I did aim before
I started drawing the bow, closed my eyes and started drawing...).
 
Good shooting
-- 
Stephan Melin

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From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Subject: Cadets '90 & repeats (was Re: Who REALLY won in 1988 - 1992?)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:09:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <DRAPEAU.92Nov18153940@oglala.Stanford.EDU>, drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
|> 1990 no opinion, but I can't believe the Cadets won with a "Best of
|>      the Cadets" show.  The idea of the (modern) Cadets doing a "Best
|>      of" show seems antithetical to the spirit of the corps to me.  I
|>      lost a lot of respect for the corps because of this show.  I'll
|>      get over it, I'm sure.

I was very disappointed by this too. I remember Michael Cesario saying 
that the corps would never repeat itself sometime around '84 (of 
course, the corps had played West Side Story in the 70's, and also a 
few years after the show opened, around 1952. But it sure sounded 
different.) The show was OK, I guess, but it didn't thrill me.

I don't really like 'repeat' or 'best of' shows in general, I guess. 
Maybe my attention span is too short, but if I've heard it before, 
basically the same, then I'm not interested. Short signature things are 
OK, but if it's an actual part of the *show* instead of just a coda, 
forget it. Lots of people may get excited at the thought of the Scouts 
rehashing 'Slaughter' or whatever but not me. I can listen to records.

I also tend to think that it's not fair to the kids in the corps. Sure,
music is music, but there will inevitably be comparisons to the last
time the corps played the music, and who needs that?

And, when you have the immense power to expose people to new (or old 
but as yet unperformed by D&BC) music, why would you *want* to repeat 
yourself?

Then again, people pay to see the Ramones play the same set they've
been playing for 20 years. Not me, though.

-Aaron

On the other hand, I can watch 'Dragnet' reruns for hours on 
Nickelodeon. Call me fickle.

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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:28:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.130256.11782@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu 
(Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:

>*I have been teaching lines using these heads since they first came out
>*and haven't experienced any problems yet, but there's always a first
>*time. I am actually alot more concerned about damage to young people's
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>*hearing created by exposure to high volume levels for such a long time.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Has anybody tried to march or at least practice with earplugs?

I have tried teaching with earplugs, but the problem is after the line
stops playing and I start talking, I can't hear myself talk, and the
kids in the line wearing them can't hear me, either. So we are always
taking the damn things out and putting them in again. I have seen some
that have small holes in them (to make talking easier, I assume) but
they don't block out the noise very well, and I still can't carry on
a decent conversation. Does anyone make some that aren't spongy, and
can be taken out more easily? I have also considered head phones, but
I don't think I could get the guys to stop laughing long enough to get
anything done if I wore those. :-)

--Brad.


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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:42:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <DRAPEAU.92Nov18125928@oglala.Stanford.EDU> drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
>
>I saw both the '88 and '89 Vanguard shows, albeit early in the season
>and only once each, but from my paltry viewings, I found the '89 show
>much improved.  I don't believe that the Vanguard deserved to win in
>'88, although I wasn't personally impressed with any of the 1988
>shows.  I'm happy for Madison, though.
>
>I saw Santa Clara in 1988 at the Costa Mesa show.  My overall
>impression of the show was that it was flat.  There was just no
>"punch" to the show, perhaps because the corps wasn't executing very
>well.  I remember being, dare I say it?, bored with the show (ouch!
>Man alive, that's heresy).  I remember by contrast seeing the Blue
>Devils at the same show, and although I don't remember being too
>impressed with the overall show design, they executed the hell out of
>it.  To me, they made up for a rather non-descript show with some
>incredible execution (sorry, BD fans, I like the Devils, too, but I
>just didn't care for that show too much).  It was extremely clear who
>would win the show that evening.
>
>The next year I saw SCV perform again.  Everything about the show
>seemed a little "brighter" to me.  The show was being executed better,
>the horns seemed louder (maybe "fuller" is a better word, although you
>don't tend to think of post-1981 Vanguard horn lines as weak), the
>percussion was happening (although they weren't my favorite Ralph
>Hardimon parts, still very tasteful).  The overall impression I had
>was excellent, and an obvious change from the previous year.  I don't
>know what happened; maybe the writing was cleaned up (I haven't
>listened to '88 and '89 back-to-back in a couple of years, so I don't
>recall).  Who knows?

Maybe the reason that SCV seemed a little brighter in '89 was because all
of the vets already had played most of that music last summer.  They just
had to learn the drill.

>______________________________________________________________________________
>George D. Drapeau			Internet: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
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