From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,rec.nude,alt.sex
Subject: Re: U.S. Bill of Rights today
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:00:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
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In article <1992Sep14.045939.19211@leela.cs.orst.edu> hollowr@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (R. Holloway) writes:
>
>Why?  Is the breading population in the country so low as to require the
>breading for population purposes of young males & females by adults?
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	Breeding?  Who's talking about breeding?  While some people in Xtian
cults still believe sex is only for breeding, I feel that most people
realize it has value other than for breeding purposes.


>What you are proposing here is a quantum leap in reason. Children & children
>is not criminal, but what prevents an adult coercing a child into an sexual 
>act?
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	What prevents another child from coercing another child into a sexual
act?  We all hear again and again how much social and peer pressure
exists in high school on down.  Only until one gets in college does that
peer pressure lessen as one becomes more grounded in who one is.


>>My bet is we would
>>be far more sexual and far more psychologically healthy. 
>
>I doubt very much this premise.  Talk to the survivors of childhood sexual
>acts with adults (incest or whatever) & you'll find that this is not as healthy
>as you assume.
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	Every 'survivor' of sexual abuse I've talked to (quite a few, to my
surprise) was *forced* into it.  I call that *rape*.  I only remember
1 person, I believe who was not forced into it, and didn't regret it.  She
thought it gave her a more healthy attitude toward sex -- but I am sure
that if the authorities found out about it, they would tell her how abused
she was and might even reprogram her to buy into/accept proper social
norms.

>>When sex itself
>>is allowed its own nature it will seek its own level, but that level is
>>damn different than what we live now. 
>
>Maybe so, but amoung persons of equal socialization & maturation.
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	What is 'equal'?  Does a 50 year old man with an 18 year old 
qualify somehow *more* than a 24 year old with a 16 year old?  I've dated
women 12 years older and 14 years younger than myself and can assure you
there is a *wide* range of maturity, with some of the younger women
being more mature than the older.  One woman who was 12 years my senior
was remarkably naive about even basic human relations -- she was
almost child-like in her naivete.

>Your argument is weak, in that, it fails to address consequences of actions.
>I doubt a 12 YOA child can assess the consequences of its actions.

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	I know alot of people over the age of consent that can't either.

	Perhaps some sort of intelligence/basic-common-sense test is needed
before 'allowing' people adult priviledges.

	OBnude: How old should someone have to be before they are allowed
onto a nude beach -- heaven knows they might be being 'coerced' to be
there or be corrupted by seeing nude bodies!  (this thread is
interesting, but how the heck did it end up in here?!)

-wat-
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