From: Fuadi Rasyid <frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:36:38 GMT
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>emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:

>I guess you do not know much about the origins of Turks. Our origin is not
>Islam but the Turkic identity itself. What makes some Turks resort to
>Islamic life 100% is not necessarily honesty but desparation in other 
>areas of life.

Have can you deny your origin which is as close as about 60 years.
I am not talking about nationality which is a satanic philosophy infiltrated
by the infidels and practiced among the so-called muslims.
           
>If he has destroyed the nation, who do you think lives throughout 
>Turkey now?

You must be kidding otherwise you would not articulate such a
stupid statement. He destroyed your brain, identity and DIGNITY.
Turkey has been begging at europeans front door since he annihilated
the islam in turkey. I can readily pronounce that Turkey left the leadership
of the islamic world, but became a mendicant of the west. Who accomplished
that? M. Kamal! Congratulation, good job.

>By that time the khilafe had lost almost all his function and was
>just a formal title.

Today even we don't have that title. It is an obligation to have a khalifa
for the muslims. Muslims are even unable to speak up about it in Turkey. 
However, if there is an muslim lider (khalif) today, he would stood up
for the victimized, helpless muslims in all over the world. May be the 
corrupted dictators of the islamic countries would not get a chance to
suppress the muslim people. You see what M Kamal did to assist his western 
masters or their heinous objectives.

>What he eliminated at that time is not the Islamic script but the Arabic
>script. It happens to be the script of Quran because Mohammed was an
>Arab. If the Islamic prophet were , say, in Africa, the Quran would be
>in Swahili. Is that enough reason to use that language or script in all
>Islamic countries?
>In addition, one can learn the Roman alphabet in a fairly short amount of
>time. On the other hand, it would literally take years to become
>proficient in the Arabic script or language. Now if such a transformation
>was needed, one had to do it.

What was the REAL LOGIC behind it? and could you provide a true evidence
for this claim? Another point, If he turned into his original turkish script
(if there is), I would comprehend it easier than your explanation.

>Currently Religion is a compulsory course in Turkish schools at grades 2
>thru 11. Almost all the books contain 95% Islamic principles and beliefs,
>which is natural since approximately the same percent of the country is
>Islamic. However, if there is a brainwashing going on, it can only be
>against other religions because they are not portrayed well enough in
>the Religion books of the Ministry of Education.
You wanted to say official islam is beingt taught I assume. Otherwise
something should have happened, because islam is not a religion but
way of life, complete submission to Allah, his prophet and his book. 
There is no indication that it is being exercised in Turkey.


>Ottoman empire has turned to after centuries of misery by 1900, the 
>free-minded Turkish student can only be grateful to Ataturk who abolished
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Probably you tried to say traitor students who betrayed to their  muslim
parent and grantparents.

>the Islamic rule in Turkey, not exactly because Islam is detrimental to
>national health in itself, but because it has been consistently used as
>a tool for political means. And since Islam has rules for almost every
>area of life, it is a very powerful tool for this reason indeed.

If you don't want to practice islam in every respect of life, why do you
declare to be muslim? One can not be a true muslim unless he/she apply the
islam to all over his/her life. Antithesis of this statement is an OFFICIAL
or SECULAR islam which is not acceptable in Hz. Mohammad's teaching.

>Now all I can tell is why don't you ask some Turkish guys at Ohio State
>about that?

Alhamdulillah I have several sincere turkish muslim brothers studying at 
The OSU I am glad that I have met them. If not, I would have very bad image
regarding Turkish people(from the islamic stand point). I am confident of
their islamic perception. We have talked many aspects of Turkish
muslim community and their problems in Turkey. Thank you for this referring
but if you suggest me to talk the other type of turkish guys who look like
american, act like american, no thanks.

>There are no samples of his actions or words proving, or even suggesting,
>a discrediting attitude towards Islam. He might not be totally Islamic
>in his behaviour and attitudes ( for instance everyone knows he never
>bent down and prayed ) but there is no record showing his dissent
>against Islam. On the contrary, he recommended Islam for the Turkish
>people. 

Sorry my friend, but there would not be such a dictatorship today
had he acted otherwise.

>A last reminder: what Ataturk did to Turkey should be judged looking at the
>situation of the country before the Republic and after the Republic. No 
>one can deny the FACT that today Turkey is in a state of stability and
>coherence incomparable to the caos in the 1910's. He did not do his
>revolutions to rescue Islam, he did them to rescue the Turkish state.
>Therefore, whether Islam still rules the country or not is an irrelevant
>question.

>Emre Erkut

You are considering it as rescue however muslims assess it as devastation.
You can not detach the muslims from each other, we are true brothers and
sisters in islam, better than blood brother. If I am a muslim, I can't not
say that I am OK, don't care about you go to hell. Only nationalist sinisters
can commit this. At the beginning of this century, M. Kamal's western masters
infiltrated a nationalism amoung the ummah and it ruined themselves.

Last note;
Emre I am asking you and other brothers; When will you notice that
west treats Turkey like a dog, when will you comprehend that? 
When will you gain your dignity again?
Open your eyes, only a muslim cries for a victimized muslim not
the infidels. Our beggars have been begging for Bosnia but
what happens? If there was true islamic country today, she would stood
up and tried to save our brother and sisters. Holy Koran says;
Don't take the non-muslims as your intimate".     

Assalamoalikum
F.R.