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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Racist scholarships
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:25:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.011441.11466@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
|> >>William "racist Willie" Gray heads a large organization, the United Negro
|> >>[sic]
|> >>College Fund, which gives out college scholarships which are prohibited
|> >>to Caucasians.
|> 
|> >For the fifth time on this network, The UNCF DOES NOT PROHIBIT WHITES FROM
|> >OBTAINING THEIR SCHOLARSHIPS.
|> 
|> Your mythology runs counter to what I read in reports about the UNCF and
|> what the UNCF itself has told me. In fact, I purposely chose this example
|> because I just read a newspaper article this week about how the UNCF had
|> received a ten million dollar donation. The article, including quotes from
|> UNCF officals, identified UNCF as a black organization which gives scholarships
|> to blacks.

It gives scholarships to historically black universities. Similarly, the state
of Mississippi gives extra money to its historically white universities. These
practices are not discriminatory. An unequal racial apportionment has resulted
because neither whites nor blacks want to be the only person of their race at
their school.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: alt.discrimination = alt.caucasian whining
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:14:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

>    This is interesting.  Some Blacks may be prejudiced against whites, no
>question about that, but discrimination?  You are going to have to give
>specifics with Blacks discriminating against whites.

William "racist Willie" Gray heads a large organization, the United Negro [sic]
College Fund, which gives out college scholarships which are prohibited
to Caucasians.

>In order to discriminate
>one has to have control over something.  What do Blacks control enough to
>discriminate?  You are going to have to give specifics.

There you have it. Give racist Willie a call so he can tell you all about
it.

>     No one is asking for special treatment,

Well I can't wait to hear you renounce this special treatment.

> but for a "level playing field".

Since there are no scholarships denied to Blaks, then Blak-only scholarships
are exactly special treatment and has nothing to do with a mythical
level playing field.

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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: an4405@anon.penet.fi (Physics Smurf)
Subject: Why do we hate?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.discrimination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:49:27 GMT

Hello there!

I remember the very first time I got discriminated against. It was back when I
was a kid, in primary school. All the older boys used to pick on me. Even the
girls weren't very nice. This is like, back in the early seventies. I think
that the first time it happens, it's very scary. It seems as if everyone is
against you for no apparent reason. I even suspected the teachers of 
harbouring a dislike. 

The thing that sticks in my mind is that everyone used to flock to the
most popular kids. They were usually the ones good at sports and stuff.
Everyone used to leave the 'weird' people alone. If not, they tended to
tease them. Strange huh?

I think it was their parents who taught them to hate so much. Yeah, it's that
bible thing - the sins of the parents are passed down to the children. It 
makes me so sad sometimes. 

It's not actually skin colour or anything that makes people behave that way.
It's the differences. They're afraid of things which are different. Whether
it be of a person's different skin colour, different customs, way of dressing
way of living, whether they are HIV +... It's the ignorance that lies at the
root of the problem.

If we measure the progress of humanity through the thousands of years its
been here, we see a tremendous technological change. It's partly because
technological advance is accumulative. Knowledge builds on knowledge. Relations

between peoples, however, are forged anew as new generations arise. 

If this world is a global society then we must measure the progress of it
in terms of all its inhabitants. This includes peoples living in the third
world. According to this measure, we're not doing so good. In ten millenia,
the people are going to look back upon as just as we look upon the
ancient 'civilisations'. Are we going to be any different to them?


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From: olw7845@rigel.tamu.edu (Zeke E. Pez)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Very interesting JOB offer (Where are the real priorities)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:47 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I want to tell you a quick little story.

I applied for a job as a Chemical Analyst (Technician, i.e. sample banger)
is is en entry level job but has upward mobility and plenty of good benefits.

I actually landed the job!! HOORAY for me.

Now, I was aware that this place is an EEOC/Afirmative Action type of hangout.
But that did not bother me much ( not yet anyway). I spent most of the first
day filling out the RED_TAPE of paperwork. Of the dozen or so documents I
filled out, only one document asked about my BONA FIDE job qualifications, this
form was a voluntary form that I did not have to fill out. Yet the other
documents made no inquiry as to my credentials and all documents asked me to
state what my racial background was.

In short, the official and mandatory paperwork asked nothing of my ability
and only wanted my EEOC info.

Did I get hired because of my skin colour?

I got the job (should I care about how I got the job)?

How can I find out if there has been some foul play?


ZEKE
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:05:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.015746.28321@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

>>Since whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1, absolutely no 'racial
>>preference' is required for the original statement to be true.
>
>By definition, a person cannot be given preference because of their
>race without there being racial preference. With no racial preference,
>by definition a "white" is not more likely to be hired.
>
Terry, your inability to handle statistics, simple logic and elementary
arithmetic makes one thing abundantly clear:  if you've ever got into any
college or held any job more demanding than dishwashing, there's got to be
a racial preference for white people.

Barbara Vaughan
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Affirmative Action should be Dead
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:04:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.discrimination,talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.180254.11278@kadsma.kodak.com>,
pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) wrote:
> 
> ...Companies have concluded that, in practical terms, AA legislation
> mandated quotas because it exposed the employer to lawsuits if the
> 'representative sample' was not present in the employee population
> (not just in the hiring pool, but in the set of those actually hired).

If some companies have done that, then *they* are at fault, not the law.
And a great many companies have not done anything of the sort.

> Recent legislation (the 1991 civil rights act) now requires that
> employers be prepared to justify every hire that deviates from the
> representative sample in terms of overwhelming business necessity.
> It used to be that the plaintiff had to demonstrate that a violation
> had taken place; now the defendant must prove that there has been
> no violation, a definite shift of the burden of proof.
> 
> So, even though quotas were not explicitly mandated, companies decided
> that the best way to avoid a lawsuit was via the implementation of
> quotas.

Not the best way.  Maybe the cheapest, easiest, sleaziest way for companies
that have no interest in decent hiring practices.

Again, if a company is doing something you don't like, complain about that
company, not about the law that it cites as an excuse.  Many companies do
not have these problems at all -- they do not need quotas because they do
not practice discrimination in hiring.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
From: cll5685@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Discrimination against whites is rampant
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:42 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <93004.080247KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>  Your analogy is ludicrous.  Sports and entertainment are the two fields that

How can you say that it is ludicrous?  There is a disproportionate number of
blacks in sports.  Anytime there is a disproportionate number of whites in a
given job, racism is the cry.  So what is the difference here?

>qualified then themselves, and that is simply wrong!  Until all these ills are
>corrected we are going to have problems like you state. But I am really curious
>as to how you know these students test scores and grades.   And also how do you
>know that they are on academic probation, again this information is
>confedential between the school and the student?

I will not go into details about how I knew, because as you say the information
is confidential.  I will just say that I did see the scores.  I would not make 
the assumption that someone did worse just because they were black.  And of the
students on academic probation, we all hang out together, go to the same
parties, etc., so one of them told me and another told a friend of mine.  Once
again, I would never just assume this.  I want to be clear.  I am not trying
to flame, I just see a situation that I believe is highly unfair.  I believe in
equality for all people and I believe that I am no better than another man. 
But when I work my ass off and see someone with more money (once again, I am
not making assumptions) get a better fellowship because of their race, I am
outraged.  Also, I am curious to your thoughts on the guy who recently
immigrated here and was awarded a nice fellowship.  He is a friend of mine, but
I think his fellowship is unwarranted.  (He is now on academic probation).

Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: LNH: "Leadership Crisis" Promo
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:00:47 GMT

Coming in January:

It began with resentment.
Resentment became anger.
Anger became rage.

Presenting my most ambitious Legion story yet, the two part story
called

                       THE LEADERSHIP CRISIS

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From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: Where to find CYBERSPACE VANGUARD
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:38:13 GMT

cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine) writes:
>
>
>The first issue of Cyberspace Vanguard:  News and Views of the Science
>Fiction Universe can be found in the following newsgroups:
>

What is it?
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From: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
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Subject: Where to find CYBERSPACE VANGUARD
Date: 11 Jan 1993 02:27:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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The first issue of Cyberspace Vanguard:  News and Views of the Science
Fiction Universe can be found in the following newsgroups:

alt.zines
rec.mag
rec.misc
alt.fandom.misc

This is the new improved version (typos not included).  

If your site does not subscribe to any of these groups and you would
like to receive a copy, let us know.  Ditto if you would like to 
become an e-subscriber.

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Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: donnyj@htsa.aha.nl (Donny Janzen)
Subject: FLA euro tour
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:18:13 GMT
Organization: Hogeschool van Amsterdam, Polytechnic Institute

A week or two ago on MTV's 120 minutes I heard that FLA will
come to europe to do some shows, any info on this?

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Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: Richard_Robb@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Robb)
Subject: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:24:50 GMT

Don't mean to be flippant, but I'd settle for just having the products that
are currently on the market work as advertised.

-- Richard
From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Soma Holiday)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Re: New releases ?
Date: 9 Jan 93 07:22:25 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

tompy@sara.cc.utu.fi (Tom Pylkk{nen) writes:
> 
> 
>    I'd like to know if WILL's and NOISE UNIT's new records are available
>   in Finland yet.If not , when then ... ? Also i'd like to get information
>   about Delerium , Front Line Assembly , Front 242 , Revolting Cocks , Con-
>   trolled bleeding ... If they have released new cd's or when are they releasing
>   one ?
> 

	Here's what I can tell you from a US perspective: Noise Unit's new
HAS been released at least in the UK, again by Dossier. Neither of the last
2 Noise Unit's have been released in the US, so who knows how and where it
is available (other than the UK).WILL's newest will be released in the US
probably by next week. It has already been released in the UK.

	Delerium is an FLA spinoff which centers around atmospheric/ambient/
movie soundtrack music. WHat little I've heard was pretty good, and it seems
most everyone who DISLIKES FLA, like Delirium. The newest thing relesed wa
_Euphoric_ lat spring, on Third Mind records. The newest Front LIne Assembly
album was Tactical Neural Implant, released also last Spring. FLA is Dance
Industrial, with very good layering of sounds, very intricate, lots of
samples, most of which you don't even notice.

	I've heard there's supposed to be a new F242 album this year, but
don't quote me. They are due for a new one.

	Is revolting Cocks still around? The last we heard from them was
Beers, Steers, and Qveers. 

	The newset Controlled Bleeding release was...My memory fails me. 
Sorry. Released on third mind records late last spring. Pretty Dancy, not
terribly great, but decent enough, I guess...

> / TOMPY stands for Tom Pylkk{nen            /    
> / i have been clamed to be studying physics /                 *



mike
mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
mtressle@lovelace.bsu.edu
00MBTRESSLER@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

_I_ want a piece of MEAT!
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From: taliesin@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.gothic,alt.vampyres,rec.music.industrial,1
Subject: NEW `ZINE
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 02:43:41 PST
Reply-To: taliesin@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Greetings all!  I am starting a `zine (well not really starting but...) 
anyways this is a call to arms (well actually a call for...SUBMISSIONS)  
Anyways if you write or draw, have a band that needs publicity or 
something you'd like to advertise over 500 strong. then please leave me 
E-mail for my address or ask the sysop here for details.  Thank you.

Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: tompy@sara.cc.utu.fi (Tom Pylkk{nen)
Subject: New releases ?
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:39:20 EET



   I'd like to know if WILL's and NOISE UNIT's new records are available
  in Finland yet.If not , when then ... ? Also i'd like to get information
  about Delerium , Front Line Assembly , Front 242 , Revolting Cocks , Con-
  trolled bleeding ... If they have released new cd's or when are they releasing
  one ?

/ TOMPY stands for Tom Pylkk{nen            /    
/ i have been clamed to be studying physics /                 *
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Breakbeat
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:57:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: breakbeat

In article <C0E5p9.Dx2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> elombard@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Eddie Lombardi) writes:
>Hi!
>
>I'm looking for some excellent breakbeat compilations.
>Can anyone recomend some.  

The only one I know of that's all breakbeat is XL Recordings Vol. 3, but it's
stuff that's fairly old; "Jungle Techno", despite its name, is fairly break-
beatish too. (I was expecting more like tribal)

>I also have a question.  Here in Toronto a few of the rave organizations
>are starting to have raves woth 2 rooms.  A hardcore room and a trance/house,
>etc room.  Is this happenning in other parts of the world as well.  Actually 
>the type of music in the second rooms is often called "happee" rave tunes.  I 
>know there is an organization in Engalnd called Raindance that has had raves 
>like the one decribed above.  

A chill-out room is almost requisite in SF - in fact I find myself spending 
more time there than on the dance floor at some raves.  A second dance floor
is often at the larger ones, but it's completely pointless if the two floors
are playing the same type of music at the same time :)

>Also is everyone as sick as I am of hardcore. When I first heard it
>I really like but know it seems 90% of shit and very repetetive(sp?).

I got sick of most of it a while ago, but every now and then a track will
come out that gets me pumped.  But I can't listen to it for much longer than
an hour now...  the aggro grooves just don't jive with the peace and hippy-ism
of the rave scene.  

	Brian
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Techno
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:43:14 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 01-10-93 13:39
Quoted From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
> 
>         You can almost divide up all people into different musical
> groups. There are people who will listen to whatever's popular, and
> there are people who listen to what THEY want to listen to. Music for
> me is something very special, very mooving. It reflects myself, and
> not society. I listen to techno not just because it sounds neat, but
> because it represents a whole other train of thought away from money,
> greed, and hate. The idea that you can go to a rave and have friendly
> conversation with almost anyone, dance how you like, dress how you
> like, and not be subjected to peer pressure is really cool.
> 
>         Only techno can do it. Note that most of it is "sterile" and
> doesn't really go too deep. Either that or it is mysterious... or
> relaxing. Or just plain strange. It isn't hateful (even hardcore... I
> think of it more as energy-filled) and people of all backgrounds can
> enjoy it.
> 
>         Plus sometimes you've just got to dance.. :-)
> 

Techno, I feel, can evoke more of an emotional response than any 
lyrically-based form of music.  The sounds can take one down, or bring 
one up to a crazed dancing frame of mind.  If I listen to some of my 
other music (stuff like 'Catherine Wheel', or 'The Stone Roses', or 
'Revolver'), I can't get quite as much out of the song.  I think 
possibly I'll phase this other music out eventually -- not really 
conciously, but because I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I 
do rave/techno stuff, so I am listening to it less and less.  You need 
not adopt the writers opinion of the what the music means (through the 
lyrics) with rave and techno -- you add your own, and that can be 
different for every person.  One of the keys to the rave culture is 
individuality, and that's what this music represents (among other 
things).

> agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
> tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
>

rev@cibbs.uucp / greg.ipp@rose.com
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