From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:07:08 GMT

In article <168BBDAAD.UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton) writes:
>Hmm. I guess the combined resources of Apple and IBM won't be any
>help to Taligent? Yeah, NeXT could easily stay ahead of two giants,
>especially now that they'll be supporting two platforms. Don't
>expect NS 3.0 for awhile now that they'll be worrying over NS486.

Hello??

First, NS 3.0 has been out on NeXT computers for over three months now.

What makes you think that these two companies are going to come
together and actually make this work?

1)  The last thing Taligent CEO Jaseph Guglielmi worked on was Office
Vision.  After spending $300 million they never shipped anything.

2)  Here you have a company, Apple, which basically taught it's
employees to hate I.B.M. for years and years (I've seen a slide that
Guy Kawasaki stole from Apple which had a big stylized blue person
wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase with a big red circle-slash
around it and the Apple logo in the lower right hand corner).  But
suddenly these companies are buddies and everyone's supposed to get
along??  That doesn't happen.  When IBM bought my uncle's company
(ROLM) several years back, everything was supposed to be great and the
two companies would work together to make better products.  This
didn't happen.  The ROLM people wanted to do things for the ROLM
subsidiary, and the IBM people were still faithful to IBM.  When was
the last time you saw something neat from ROLM?  In any event, IBM is
NOTORIOUS for having problems with divisions and subsidiaries
competing with eachother.  What makes you think this is going to be
different?

Look at what's happening.  This is obvoiusly not a "joint venture"
this is "lets put our guys together and see if we can steal a lot of
technology from the other."  IBM talks about folding OOP bullshit into
OS/2, and Apple talks about doing the same thing with System 7.  Where
is the joint product.

I bet nothing comes of Taligent but a major "lovers spat" where IBM
and Apple come out with separate, competing products.

if I may quote Steve Jobs: "Name one really sucessful product that
came from an alliance... I can't think of one sucessfil product in the
history of our industry that ever came from an alliance.  Or any other
industry, either.  Toyota and GM? - no.  I'm sure there are some
examples bit they're not standouts.  The statistics are not in favor
of these industry alliances."

Just look at ACE.

But, if you want to toss all of the speculation aside and simply look
at the facts: "I guess the combined resources of Apple and IBM won't
be any help to Taligent? Yeah, NeXT could easily stay ahead of two
giants, especially now that they'll be supporting two platforms."

Who has been shipping an OO-OS for nearly FOUR years now, and who
doesn't have shit?  You tell me.

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>                              | in '94 when I graduate... ;)


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