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From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: bilingual kids
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.205949.29311@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>>In article <168A19202.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>>|> I would like to get in contact with parents trying to raise their
>>|> children bilingual.  I am a native German, my spouse is an American
>>|> [ rest deleted }

>I have not seen her in some time, but this will give another way of
>how someone else did it:  My brother's sister-in-law is fluent in
>French (she spent sometime in Quebec during school) and her husband
>is fluent in Spanish.  When their daughter Caitlin was just beginning
>to speak, they repeated everything (practically) in English, French
>and Spanish.  

Well, this one is what worked for me.  I learned early that everything
had two names, one in french and one in english.  'Course, it didn't 
hurt that I ended up going to a french immersion school later, but by 
the time I made it there I already had a basic understanding of the 
language, decent pronunciation, AND could think in both languages. :)  
My dad didn't know french when all of this started, but he learned at 
the same time I did - it was probably a bit harder for him, I'm sure 
mum gave him some tutoring, but his french is almost as good as mine 
nowadays.  'Cept the accent :)

>They didn't request that she only speak to one parent or
>another in that language. I think I'd stay away from that, myself, if
>I was in that situation. I'd be a little concerned about what that might
>do to the child, only speaking in one language to the father and another
>to mom.  

Uh. Friend of mine was raised that way.  She didn't like it.  Apparently
it made her feel like she was excluding her mom from her life when she
talked in spanish to her dad.  *shrug*

YMMV.

--
Bronwyn J. S. Hoon                                 bron@iastate.edu
             What colour is a chameleon on a mirror?
From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:01:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Montessori to public school?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My son's kindergarten teacher used Montessori methods and materials for part
of her presentation.  I think the advantage with a Montessori school would
be the same as other private schools, you the parent are the customer.  In
public schools this sometimes is the case, and sometimes it isn't.  I thought
about using a private school for my son, but after really taking a look at
our neighborhood and the way the local elementary school allows us to develop
friends and allys here, we've decided to stick with the elementary schools.
Also the schools in Cupertino, while crowded still have good resources,
innovative and progressive management, and the teachers are empowered to
do good things.  HP, Tandem, Apple, and other companies provide a tremendous
support system also to the schools.  So....if you can go to those schools,
and if you live there it's a good situation.  

I participate in my son's school in several ways, and I utilize HP's flex
work time to do so.  I think if you have alot of work and pressure, sometimes
having a private school with the daycare and smaller classes will help you
the parent assure your child's education is taken care of, where the situation
with public school and a separate daycare may cause too much stress.

Good luck,
Ivy Griffiths

Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:03:46 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Distribution: usa

On 19-Nov-92 in Re: 7 mo old pulling hair    
user christine.m.dakes@cbnews writes:
>> OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to get
>> my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because my hubby
>> has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still loves to YANK
>> (and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me screaming.   Before
>> I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?" stage, can anyone tell me
>> at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's hair?  I've tried putting my
>> hair in a pony tail, but he still manages to grab a few strands.  Any other
> 
>Oh!  So that explains why all new mommies who used to have long hair
>get it chopped short!  I was always curious about this "phenomenon",
>since I've seen it happen so many times!  My hairdresser already bets
>when I'll be in to get my long hair chopped off...

OK, confession time.  I survived my first child with extremely long
hair, but my daughter has done me in.  As of last weekend, my 15+ inch
braid is packed away with my mother's braids and her mother's braids and
my hair is now up to my collar.  Still straight, but not long.

So far, no regrets from anyone (at least not verbalized).  My husband
also has a "thing" about long hair, but HE'S not the one who has to take
care of it & try to keep it out of his daughter's mouth, etc.  His one
stipulation when I asked him how he would feel if I were to get my hair
cut was that I not regret it in front of him.  He just doesn't want to
hear me bemoaning my loss.

The kids love it & so do I.  It's still long enough to Margee to grab
hold of, but only when I'm holding her, not when I'm leaning over the
crib to tuck her in.  It's also very bouncy and she & Mickey both laugh
a lot when I shake my head.  I also like the new look & it's giving me
incentive to make a few other changes (like diet, etc.).

Laura

(P.S.  My husband's hair is now longer than mine - he's next!! ;-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Child Security and Childcare (was Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.195516.28115@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>has ALWAYS been the nervous type.  There's nothing I appreciate more
>than someone who *doesn't* question my parenting skills when my daughter
>behaves more nervous than the "average" child her age.  Almost exclusively,
>the people who simply accept her behavior as normal and not alarming
>are parents who have/had a child with a similar personality.  In other
>words, it seems to be difficult for some parents to understand that
>what comes naturally or easily for their child is NOT a result of
>their skills as a parent, it's simply the nature of the child.  Likewise,

AMEN. I have had so many people say that Austin just needed more 
experienced parents, needed us to be more relaxed, needed not to be fed
every hour (he was so miserable for the first two months he ate almost
every hour and cried most of the time between catnaps), etc., etc. 
The hard part was trying to assure ourselves that it WASN'T us. We were
unsure what we were getting into, and didn't sleep much, and our 
confidence suffered enough without the remarks.

Parenthood has been a great lesson to me in compromise. I wanted the
perfect baby, I wanted to breastfeed until a year, I wanted to prove 
it wasn't that hard and that Greg and I were so well prepared and 
completely in sync. I thought that introducing Austin to day care early 
would make him really easygoing. Boy did I have a rude awakening. He 
is not a cryer anymore, but he doesn't eat very well at all at his day
care home; he is nervous a lot (he startles easily); breastfeeding 
was difficult during his colic problems (he struggled a lot) and now 
I have found to my surprise that I am not enjoying it much anymore;  
he had trouble with constipation and diarrhea at different times even
though he was breastfed; and that is just the start of the list of 
unexpected events! He is a nervous personality, we think, but he 
offsets that with wonderful smiles returned to practically anyone 
who smiles at him. The point for me is that in a child you get a 
real person with a real person's problems and good points. You can't
pat yourself too much on the back for what he does--HE is the one 
who did it.

[Gotta go. I think Austin just had his own rude awakening!]

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
From: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training???
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Distribution: na,world
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Someone wrote:

|>> According to our childrens doctor - any age younger than
|>> 2 and a half years old is to young.  Now people on this

I hate it when doctors (and others) insist that this must
be true.

My daughter trained herself by 20 months. She often
didn't ask to go, but told us she had gone. (Or we would find
the evidence :) ) However, when we had a small problem with 
her refusing to go, we had a terrible time getting the 
pediatrician to believe that something was wrong. He felt, 
as yours does, that *we*  must be trained, and were expecting 
too much from her. She *did* have a problem, which was easily 
solved (without his help) (Turns out that she had developed 
an irritation which caused urination to be painful. We had 
allowed too much independence and let her clean herself, 
even though she wasn't very good at it. Regular sitz baths 
took care of it.)

I realize that many children aren't ready at that age, but
why don't doctors understand that YMMV? 

Margaret Kelliher
kellihmt@crd.ge.com
From: CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things My Parents Did Right
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:02:19 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

2. Never yelled at each other, or argued, or criticized each other in
front of the kids.
>>
>>*Never?!*  I think disagreement is only natural.
 My folks never argued in front of the kids and as a result, none of
the four of us are any good at dealing with anger or disagreements.
 We all tend to avoid them at any cost...from a deep seated belief
that "people who love each other don't fight".  I wish I'd grown
up seeing that disagreements happen and can be resolved.
Other wise, "things my parents did right" are many:  the united
front, supporting us in what we wanted to do, always letting
us know we are loved.
Linda
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Authoritarian Parents (was 20/20 and spanking)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <1992Nov16.164048.15233@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes:
>
>Here are some hallmarks of authoritarian parents I have known, which
>may help differentiate them from other kinds:
>

>4. Authoritarian parents get more confused and desperate as their children
>   get older and more independent, as their ability to control (or even
>   influence) their children declines.
>

I grew up with an authoritarian parent (at least one! :-), and I
think I would disagree here. My father breathed a great sigh of
relief when we were no longer dependent on him (that is after we
graduated from college). I think being an authoritarian parent is
a great burden (dictators don't really like themselves very
much), and is driven by anger at their own lack of control in
being needed so very much by their children. They get freed up,
too, when their "charges" grow up.

Lindsay

-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Richard Whitmeyer 865-8497)
Subject: Re: Potty Training Setbacks
Originator: whitmeye@surf
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:37:59 GMT


In article <19528@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
|> Well, Sean (3 in December) had been doing so well on the potty training,
|> but in the last couple of weeks it's just come apart. He was almost
|> there! At one point he would go almost a week without having an
|> accident. Now he seems to have decided to stop trying. This past weekend
|> he had three or four accidents each day, and just doesn't seem to
|> care. Any suggestions??? Is this a form of rebellion on his part?
|> Should we just put him back in diapers all the time for awhile?
|> Help!
|> 
|> Richard Darsie
|> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu

If Sean were doing the clean-up I`d say no diapers. Since YOU are...
Our four little ones all seemed to slack-off, just before reaching 
independence. All that's needed is patience on your part and further 
development on Seans part. He's in charge of development, the patience
stuff is yours. Sean will suceed, it will be great too. 
I actively told myself "It will end, I'm sure it will." It did!
Well, 3 down 1 to go, really. 

Rich Whitmeyer                  Daddy to three decades of 'em.
                                  '76   '84   '86   '91
whitmeye@figueroa.vbg.mmc.com
From: patbntly@athena.mit.edu (Patricia P Bentley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: "computers" for 2 yo
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:02:33 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

My daughter is 18 months old and into pushing buttons.  She
gets up at our pc and tries out everything pushable.  We
were thinking of getting her her own phone(play) so that 
she would have lots of buttons to push.  But then we wondered
if there is a computer that's suitable for a little one
that she could grow into.  Any suggestions?
Since my net-reading is sporadic at best, please email
directly to me: patbntly@athena.mit.edu

Thanks for your help

Pat Bentley
From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car seat battles (13 mos)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:53:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24260
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <92314.100920CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Over the last month Doug (13.5 mos) has developed a fierce determination not
>to get into his carseat. . .  Any hints in the meantime to make things easier?

This worked for our 2 year old:

The concept of "crashing" having been well developed from playing with other
kids... I was watching a videotape, and had neglected to notice that the last
segment on the tape was about wearing seatbelts, so the little one got to sit
with me and watch the crash test dummies with and without seat belts.  She
told me that crashing was bad, I agreed, and then pointed out that in the
show dolls without seatbelts were "broken, doctor no fix", and dolls with
seatbelts were okay or "broken, doctor fix", and that her car seat is the
equivalent to a seat belt.  (Degrees of broken-ness in our house seem to be:
fix, mommy/daddy fix, doctor fix, and doctor no fix.)

Voila!  No more fighting the car seat (except when she's fighting getting
in the car in the first place).  And now she insists that everyone in the
car get belted in as soon as they get in the car.

Lynda
-- 
					Member HASA, Atheist-Scum Division
"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: My firstborn ain't a baby anymore!
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:05:48 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.234929.25228@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
> In article <17NOV199211054798@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov>, goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
> > Well, funny you should mention this. My four year old son has
> > started wiping off kisses (sometimes). My daughter did not do
> > that until she  was 6, and then only when it was a public kiss.
> 
> Yow!  Billy has already started doing this and he's only 2 1/2!
> 
> 	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
> 	ssa@usl.com

For the little ones try sticking out your lower lip and starting to pretend
to cry.  This cured my daughter.  As soon as she said "sorry mom", which came
instantly I smiled brightly and said "like kiss?"  Then she smiled and it was
over.  It made her realize that she had hurt my feelings.  For a 6 yo I have
no advice.

Karen mom to Chelsea 4.5yo, my only who is not a baby anymore either...sniff.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:45:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.152903.2445@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <199211171521.AA10495@tuna.wang.com> JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM
>("Jutta Lage") writes:
>>My daughter is a heavy metal fanatic. Actually Metallica is her favourite
>group
>
>HEY! WHAT SHOULD I DO? I AM A PARENT AND THINK METALLICA IS COOL! :-) :-)
>
>
	Yeah, and I've got three (6,5,3) and I'm really into The Black 
Crowes.....and I've been thinking of checking out Metallica and Megadeth...
should I get help???


lots of 8-), 8^)'s


KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Why not 2%
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:49:51 GMT


My son had his first year check up.  He went from sitting on the 50th percentile
his entire forst year to the 80th for weight.  The doctor then asked a million
questions about his diet.  My son loves milk and drinks about 35 oz. a day.
This is whole milk.  The doctoer said that was way to much and to reduce it
by half.  Well we do not eat a lot a meat (one every 2 weeks, chicken or 
turkey) and we feel that milk is important to his diet.  He drinks about
8 oz. of water a day also.  When I asked him if we could just go to 2% he said,
that it has more sodium and was not a good idea.  Well I examined the labels
and there is no difference in the sodium at all.  There is 8 grams of fat in 
whole and 5 grams in the 2% per cup.  We have tried reducing his milk but
he really does prefer it and is not always that pleased with us.  Do if I 
reduce his milk intake or go to 2% and let him drink as he does now, he
will still be getting enough fat.  Any opinions as to go to 2% or not?

Thanks
Nanette
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sandra@csri.toronto.edu (sandra smith)
Subject: Prenatal Genetic Screening
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:52:45 GMT

I noticed a recent flurry of articles relating to amniocentisis and
CVS, but of course I didn't read them, not having any need for them.
Now I do.  I have a friend who is contemplating having the CVS procedure 
done.  I can tell her about my own experience with amniocentisis, but I 
have no first-hand knowledge of CVS. 

Has anyone saved articles relating to these two procedures and be willing
to share them and/or would folks be willing to share their individual 
experiences.  

Thanks very much.

sandra

(sandra@csri.toronto.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: davidbw@superjack.Canada.Sun.COM (David B. Wadsworth - Sun Toronto Programmer/Analyst)
Subject: Re: dangerous toy list
Reply-To: davidbw@superjack.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:09:11 GMT

In article 25300@cbnewsl.cb.att.com, zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
> On the radio yesterday during the news, I heard them mention that
> someone (didn't hear who) had put out a list of the 10 most dangerous
> toys.  The item was newsworthy because 2 of the 10 were from Fisher
> Price.  Did anyone happen to catch what's on the list?
> 
> 	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
> 	ssa@usl.com


The gentlemen who published the list was a lawyer from New York.  The list
contained seemingly harmless toys until he pointed out their potential danger.
Some toys were considered dangerous because they could cause "scrapes and
abrassions".   Some of the toys were definitely dangerous,  others about the same
as a teaspoon.

Using this guys criteria for dangerous I guess I should have the brick on the 
exterior of my house removed since the kids play outside and could get scrapes 
or abrassions if they brush  against it.

---
    ^        David Wadsworth (davidbw@Canada.Sun.COM)
   /|\	     Sun Microsystems of Canada     
  /--\	     100 Renfrew Drive,                      "Putting Canada First"   
    |	     Markham, Ontario, CANADA

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: doylel@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Lori Doyle)
Subject: Re: antibiotics and the pill
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:36:43 GMT

In article <BxxM95.2zp@umassd.edu> sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>Three years ago while on the pill I got strep throat. My doctor pres-
>cribed antibiotics. About a month later I got that old familiar feel-
>ing again. Lo and behold I was pregnant.....
>Has anyone's doctor warned them of this???? 

I don't know about anyone else, but I read the "instructions" that 
come with my pills every month (they change every month, I've noticed).
Although my doctor didn't explicitly warn me, the insert clearly states
that antibiotics affect the effectiveness of the pills and that one
should use another birth control method while on antibiotics.
 
Read the inserts. If they don't say anything about antibiotics, I'd
suggest contacting the manufacturer and complaining about it and 
strongly suggesting including such information in the future. 
If you don't get the inserts, ask the pharmacist. The pharmacy that I
go to gives me a copy of the six-page, 8 point type insert every month
and a smaller slip of paper with the basic warnings tucked inside the
pill pack. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:16:20 GMT

Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  
I was uncomfortable for a few days, but sat all day at work 3 days after
the second baby (just for the day - baby was early and I had a big
deadline).  The worst part was 
that the doctors seem to sew me up tighter than I had been before.  One
of the nurses commented on it.  Luckily, the first stitch popped out (I
think).  

Be sure to put ice chips in latex glove on and switch the ice pack every
2 hours for the first 24-36 hours.  Do NOT use the chemical cold packs
instead - they don't work nearly as well.  After that time, do sitz
baths 2 - 3 times a day in as hot water as you can stand.  The ice keeps the
swelling down at first, then the heat promotes healing.
One week after delivery, the episiotomies/tears really didn't bother me.
In fact, the second one hurt more/longer than the first because I tried the
silly cold packs instead of ice for the first few hours.  They were next
to useless and I had to insist on ice & gloves with some nurses.  I guess 
that's more expensive so some nurses try to dissuade you.  Other nurses
say "Yeah, that's the only thing that works".

BTW The first episiotomy was necessary because we needed the baby to get
out with a vacuum extractor.  Mom was exhausted.  Not sure what caused
episiotomy number 2 - just pushing too hard, doctor/mom in a hurry.
At the end of a long labour I'm willing to trade an episiotomy for 15
minutes less pushing.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu