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From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep)
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:10:47 GMT

Tom Wetzel <twetzel@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> I would think the '95 Corvette will eventually become collectable
> as the last US made model.  I can't help wonder how much Vettes
> will cost by 1995 or what premium dealers would charge for the 
> "last of an era" car.  I've noted the last-of-series seem to be the
> most desirable, e.g. the '62 and '67 models.  
> 

If the last US vette is worth anything as a collectors item, it will
only be because we have the foresight to know that it is the last.
Look at the other Vette lasts... '76 was the last Stingray, '77 was
the last small rear window style, etc... and these aren't particularly
valuable.  Maybe in the future, but not just yet.  Sure, people will
buy up these when they become available, dealers will rape the
customers, and within a year, people will be dumping these as failed
investments to get something else.  That's when you buy your long term
investment... not at the dealer (look at the ZR1 for and example of
this one)

				- Jason









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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: a stupid tire question
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:20:42 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: brad@buck


To see if your tires are legal, just check to see if the wear indicators
(those raised strips that run perpendicular to the tire tread) are flush
with the tread. If they are, your tires are history.

It sounds like your Invectas were overinflated, so they wore faster in
the middle. Happens all the time.

If you determine you need to replace 2 tires, get some all season to cover
you for the next year you intend to keep the car. However, DON'T buy them
from a tire shop, unless you have extra money to blow. Pick up a copy of
any current car magazine that has a Tele-Tire ad in it. You will always
find an ad in Car & Driver. Find a tire you want in the size you want,
call their 800 number and order the tires. 

Assuming they have them in stock, just charge it to whatever plastic you 
have, and they will ship them to you via UPS in a few days. You will then 
have to go to a competent shop to have them mounted and balanced, but 
before you scoff at the minor inconvenience I am proposing, consider this:
I saved $160 ($40 per tire) by buying a set of 4 tires from Tele-Tire
instead of from a local tire shop. And, the local tire shop price did NOT
include mounting/balancing. 

Local tire dealers simply cannot compete with the prices of mail/phone order 
tire dealers. If you are willing to do some waiting and running around, you
can keep some significant money in your pocket.
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mercury Capri
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:50:22 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.autos, issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:

| leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:
|
| >In rec.autos, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
|
|
| >Over here, this is the model advertised as the most popular/best selling 
| >convertible in the US.  If you believe a Ford advert, then the US is mainly 
| >populated by young women :-).  
|
| >lawrence
|
| The Mercury Capri was never the best selling convertible in the US.
| The Mazda Miata is the current champ in the US, it took its title from 
| the Chrysler LeBaron convertible 3 (or so) years ago.
|
| Issa

Pretty much what I suspected; the Miata gets more mention here than the Capri.
Not quite a good extrapolation, but close.

lawrence
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:21:44 -0500 
From: Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE CLUB???? (Re: 48Hours (12/9))
	<43116@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com>

If a car thief wants your car bad enough, he'll get it.  He'll put it on
a tow truck, he'll cut through the steering wheel, he'll spray freon
into the locking mechanism of the Club and shatter it, but he'll get it.
 No anti-theft device, short of a big, ugly cop named "Bubba" will stop
the determined thief from stealing your car.  And even "Bubba" might not
work.

However, what the Club might stop is the average snot-nosed teenaged car
thief who wants to take your car for a joy-ride, and is looking for the
easiest possible target.  That's why I bought one; I live in a rough
area, and it seemed like a fairly safe investment @ $35.95.   Besides,
the company that makes it will pay your deductible.  Mine's $500., and
in my book, $35.95<$500. 

All I have is a plain-Jane sedan, an '89 VW Jetta, so it's not really
desirable anyway; the Club just makes it less so.  If you had a ZR1 or
something, a car thief would do everything short of renting a helicopter
and flying it out.

In fact, I've been trying to get someone to steal this turkey.  I leave
the motor running and the doors unlocked.  So far, no one will take
it... ;-)  ;-)

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Jason Togyer, Civil Engineering, CMU (Carnegie Tech), Pittsburgh, Penn.
"It's broccoli, dear."
"I say it's spinach, and I say to hell with it!"
--'30s NEW YORKER cartoon caption by James Thurber
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DISCLAIMER: I'm completely insane, and take no responsibility for my actions.
  For that matter, neither does any organization I'm involved in.
From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: TINTED WINDOWS LAW ??
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

nobled@rebecca.its.rpi.edi (David Noble) writes:
-> I'd also like to know how to untint the windows, since I'll be moving
-> to California soon. My car had tinted windows back & front when I
-> bought it, but it was a third party job. Of course, I'm more worried
-> about the emissions than the windows...

  It's very to take off the window tint.  Just get a razor blade and
some soapy water.  Spray the soapy water on the tint liberally and start
scraping away at the windo tint, it will come out with patience.  To do
the whole car probably takes a little over an hour.  As for the rear
window, it's a real pain in the butt since you have the defroster lines
to worry about.  You could just take it to the tint shop and have them
strip off the tint for you, I guess it costs about $30-$40 for the whole
car.

  As far as CA emissions go, it's the usual cat's and muffler needed and
the muffler has to meet the CARB standards if it is a performance
exhaust.  Most do such as Flowmaster, Dynomax, Borla, etc... From what
I've heard this past summer, in the L.A. area, the cops now can pull you
over if they think your exhaust is too loud and they have some sound
level meter and if it goes past a certain dB level, you get a citation.


Erich.
                                   
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Houston,Texas
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From: ck@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Kiessling)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:16:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford Explorer Opinions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


I'm not sure if you saw my post of a few days ago, but I am currently
experiencing a VERY bad vibration coming from the roof of my 1992
XLT Explorer.  It might be either the luggage rack or the 
window rattling (I can't tell).

I've had the car for 6 months now.  I HATE it when things go wrong with
brand new cars.  Luckily, the car is under warrenty and will get fixed as
soon as the new year rolls around.

I have received about 4 e-mail messages (so far) from others who have read
my post who have also experienced some vibration/rattling.

Other than that, my Explorer is great and I really enjoy driving it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris ("ck") Kiessling
CAD Software Development Engineer
(408) 553-2905                     Hewlett-Packard Company
(408) 249-6225 [FAX]               Integrated Circuit Business Division
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Subject: Used Engines and Subaru Engine Swap
Summary: Can I put a new engine in?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:14:33 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO
Keywords: subaru engine swap

Well, my Subaru engine finally gave up on me today.  :(  It's an '86 Turbo,
and apparently they don't put low coolant sensors in 'em.

So anyway...  I'd like to find a few recommendations on engines mainly.  Like
I said, it's an '86 Turbo, but I'd like to put one of the pre-86 engines in
it (so that I don't have to screw around with the timing belts).

First question is if anyone has any recommendations on where I can get these
engines.  I'm thinking the used engines from Japan route.

Next thing I'm wondering is if I can use an older (EA-81 I believe) type
engine in it, and if the exhaust and intake match up, if I can use a regular
engine or if I need the special turbo one they put in in '84.  It's got a
quite lower compression ratio on that one.

And finally, while I'm doing all this crap, is there anything you can suggest
that will help me with mileage.  22 in city is ok, but 28 on the highway isn't
that good.  Anything I can do there would be nice.

Oh, and if you want to throw in some words of wisdom on replacing the engine,
I'll gladly take it.  While it's out, I'll probably do the clutch and maybe
the vacume hoses as well.  Anything else that looks non-good.

Thanks,
Sean
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: hit and run accident
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.190109.17162@unocal.com> stsshol@st.unocal.COM (Herb Lam) writes:
>
>My girlfriend was involved in a hit and run accident couple months
>back.  Her light had just turned green so she started to make a left.
>A pickup ran a red light had hit her front left end.  At first, the
>two men claimed that it was her fault, but a couple behind the pickup
>was nice enough to stop and said that the pickup ran a red light.  
>The two men then said they had no license or insurance and walked away 
>from the accident, leaving the pickup there.  [Funny story here is that 
>the woman (newlywed copule) told her husband, "Honey, they're getting 
>away, go get them."  He just said, "What do you want me to do?"]  
>
>The police haven't caught the guys yet but have the pickup.  My 
>girlfriend just got her car back recently but had to pay a $500 
>deductible.  Is there anything she can do to get some of the $500
>back?  If the police gets lucky and catch the guys (the guys left 
>their name tags from work and car registration in the pickup, though 
>the pickup may not be theirs), should she prosecute?
>
>Thanks for any comments.

sure she should - but for leaving the scene of an accident, they'll
get to spend some time in jail



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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: When I turn, it gets noisy.....
From: erkamp@janus (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:31:21 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@janus
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <9212080934.AA28233@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>, paulman@hkmeg1.enet.dec.com (HKO MANUFACTURING ENGINEERING  08-Dec-1992 1726) writes:
>Hi,
>
>My car is an 85 Honda Civic with 56,000 km (Yes, 56,000 km).
>
>Since last couple of weeks, it starts getting very noisy with a "long, 
>long" sound when I make a turn (say a right angle turn).   The faster I go, 
>the louder the sound.  However, I don't hear the noise when I am going 
>straight.   I can't locate the source of the noise, can anyone of you
>tell me what and why it is?
>

Possibly related to the front brakes (rubbing?). Does the noise go away/change 
when brakes are applied during turning?

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mlleung@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Johnson Leung Man Leung)
Subject: *** Acura Integra LS 88 ***
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:27:50 GMT

Hi there,

I have just seen an 88 Acura Integra LS (automatic) with 121,000 km, and fully loaded with A/C, pw, pdl. It asks for Can$6300. Can anybody comment on this? Thanks.

Best Regards,
Johnson
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: EXPLORER vs GMC/CHEVY?
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

In article 3360199@hpcc01.corp.hp.com, gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|>My wife and I are looking for a 2x4 utility vehicle with 4 doors as
|>we're a family of four with a 3 1/2 year old and 4 week old infant.
|>
... text deleted

|>and so that brings me to the Chevy S10 Blazer and GMC S15 Jimmy which
|>are identical clones. Is there any difference is size between the 2DR
|>and 4DR GM variants? Seems to me that the 4DR is a little longer, but
|>that might be an illusion on my part. :-) They are, however, quite a
|>bit cheaper than the Explorer and I don't think you give up that much
|>opting for the GM trucks with 4.3L V6 and automatics, right?
|>

The 4 door versions are about 6.5" longer. Most of this is in the
back seat area in order to fit in the rear doors. It adds a lot of
leg room for rear seat passengers. 

This may not be as important to you today (because you kids are
young), but it will be soon as they grow quickly.



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DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: dataprod@nic.cerf.net (Chuck Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Quadra-Trac thoughts?
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:47:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CERFnet

In article <1992Dec11.194945.4155@news.mentorg.com> philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.172423.23988@coe.montana.edu>, hutch@cs.montana.edu (Bill Hutchison) writes:
>|> 
>|> Any thoughts about Command-Trac vs. Selec-Trac vs. Quadra-Trac for a
>|> Jeep Cherokee or Grand Cherokee?
>|> 
>|> My '85 Cherokee has Command-Trac and a 5-speed.  But I like the way
>|> my friend's Selec-Trac feels in snow.  Quadra-Trac is the unknown.  Jeep
>|> had something called Quadra-Trac in the 70's.  Is the current offering
>|> a lineal descendant?  If I, recall, the 70 version had good performace,
>|> marginal relibility.
>
>Not guaranteed to be 100% accurate, but as I remember things (having
>looked at the different options when buying my Grand Cherokee a couple
>of months ago):
>
>	Command-Trac:	The original FWD system on jeeps,
>			has basically two positions, rear wheel drive,
>			and 4 wheel drive. In the FWD position the whole
>			system is locked, so all the wheels better turn
>			at the same speed ! You can't use it on anything
>			other than loose/slippery surfaces.
>

---More deleted ---

The Command-Trac refers to a combination of front axle and transfer
case that has 4 positions:

	1) Rear wheel drive
	2) Tranfer case in neutral (goes nowhere, but recommended for
		towing with all wheels on ground)
	3) High range 4wd
	4) Low range 4wd

In either 4wd mode, there is no slip between the front axle and the
back axle (actually, between drive shafts). This is the reason for
the restriction on use. Wear will be quite rapid if you did not need
to be in 4wd. The difference between this and the older systems is
an additional feature. There is a vacuum motor that disconnects the 
right front axle when in 2wd mode. This has an effect similar to the
locking hubs frequently seen on 4wd vehicles (reduced wear and
increased fuel economy), but allows on the fly (without stopping) use
of 4wd.

A limited slip differential is available for Jeeps equiped this way
(rear axle only) called the Trak-Lok. There are a variety of better
aftermarket devices. Be careful about retrofitting into the front axle,
it is quite possible to install a device that removes the benefits
of the axle disconnect, and in cold weather, such a device may actually
cause handling problems due to driveshaft drag on left side only.


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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:54 CST
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need '93 Sable Comments


In article <1ggjr7INN9lc@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
says:
>
>  Anyways, the bottom line is that you should definitely choose the 3.8L.
>
The 3.8L also gets virtually the same gas mileage if I remember correctly.

Keith
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:30:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <62853@mimsy.umd.edu> hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.040950.23327@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>>In article <1gj56rINNkm0@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>>>In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>>>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>>>>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>>>>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>>>>Audi does who else.
>
>4 door, the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 (4 dr. version of the Eclipse.  Nice std. features)
>


--Unfortunately, the Galant VR-4 is no longer imported into the U.S.  One
  might be able to find a new '92 lying around somewhere, and for a hell of
  a price too!!

  It's so unfortunate that high-performance, all-wheel drive versions of
  ordinary family cars don't sell well here, and that the manufacturer
  then withdraws the car from the lineup, such as what happened to the
  Mazda 323 GTX.  I`m sure the Celica All-Trac won't be reintroduced when
  the new generation arrives.

--Aamir Qazi


-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:51:50 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec10.144300.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:

>Judging by NASCAR (these are similar to real cars in design), if they
>lose a lot of aerodynamics in an accident, they're still competitive on
>a *short* track.  The speeds on a short track might be 90-100 mph.
>However, on a super speedway (like Daytona), the average speed is more
>like 150 mph, with top speeds around 190 mph.  If your aerodynamics are
>damaged in an accident on a super speedway, you are out of competition.

>Personally, I call the wing on the back of my car a glorified trunk handle.

What about fuel economy?

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So)
Subject: Pirelli P500
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:52:22 GMT

Just want to relate to the group that my
experience with Pirelli P500 on ice and
snow is far from satisfatory. The tires 
did work well in the rain though. The size is
185/60HR14 on a Honda CRX. It's very frustrating
to be slipping at highway speed and I thought
that I almost lost it. (Other drivers were
doing faster than I with no apparent trouble).
Maybe it's time switch back to the Yoko A633
snow tire to be safe. (The Yoko is not great
either on the CRX but is most predictable).

--------------------------------
Joseph So
Mathematics, U of Alberta, Edmonton
joseph@hyper.math.ualberta.ca
From: dougf@coos.dartmouth.edu (Doug Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lotus Turbo Espirits...Used...$$$?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:24:05 GMT
Organization: Thayer School of Engineering, Dartmouth College

In article <1992Dec11.112519.19052@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>In the referenced article, cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes:
>>
>>Does anybody know how much '87 or '88 Turbo Espirits go for?
>>How reliable are Lotuses?
>>Can I get one with 10-20k miles for less than 30k?
>>They have limited slip, right?
>>CW
>
>Turbo espirit HC's are listed 9000 to 12000 pounds in the UK.  That's
>for 87 and 88 models.

They are being advertised in Hemmings and Autoweek for anywhere from $32k
to $25k.

There is quite a difference between the '87 and '88 however.  The '88 being
the first of the new body style and the '87 being the peak of the original
(pure) Gugiaro design.  In addition, the '87 was built 2 years after a large
influx of cash from GM, and the improvement in quality is substantial.

I think you'll find that the '87s will command a greater price than the '88s
before too much longer.  IMHO, of course.

    Doug Fraser   (no .sig)