HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:43:19 GMT

>  Karl Sierka
>> Gary Strand

>> [I believe Perot is not worthy of being President]

> I believe ex-corporate executives are just as "worthy" of being President of
> the United States as ex-actors are, if not more so.

  I don't have anything against Perot personally, nor do I believe his career
  as a corporate executive means he would be a bad President.

> Especially when they are willing to pay for the campaign with their own
> money.

  In other words, buying the White House.

> Ever wonder why it is taking Congress so long to come up with options that
> will help ordinary people be able to afford decent medical care?  Wonder no
> more!  It's because rich and powerful PAC's, from the AMA to pharmaceutical
> companies, have spent millions of dollars just "getting in the way" of
> lawmakers, to preserve the status quo.

  Actually, if the medical industry is smart, they'll wholeheartedly support
  a national health care system, with the services contracted out to them.
  That way, they get a guaranteed market, as well as being able to overcharge
  for their services (after all, it's only tax money, and there's always plen-
  ty of that.) One thing a company hates is competition, and the only way to
  get around a competitor is to have the government declare a monopoly in fa-
  vor of your own company.

> H. Ross obviously knows how to handle people who pander to big money
> interests, and since it is also (painfully) obvious that Congress is more
> concerned with their personal bottom lines then they are with helping their
> constituencies, let's put him in office so he can set them straight about
> who their "customers" *really* are.

  One President can't beat 535 Congresscritters all the time. And from what
  I've read of Perot and EDS, we *don't* want him to be President. If he acts
  the same as Prez as he did as CEO of EDS, we'll have random urinalysis, a
  forced separation of unmarried couples who happen to live together, and
  probably more dumping on the Bill of Rights than we do now. 

  No, Perot is not a good choice for President.
-- 
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: co.general
From: steele@isis.cgd.ucar.edu ()
Subject: rmNUG meeting
Reply-To: steele@isis.cgd.ucar.edu ()
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:29:01 GMT


This months Rocky Mountain NeXT Users Group meeting.  Message as follows:

Message 1/1  From Matthew Moran                Apr 5 '92 at 11:22 am gmt-0700


Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 11:22:57 GMT-0700
To: announce@lamar.UUCP
Subject: April's rmNUG Meeting


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Newsgroups: co.general
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Precinct Caucuses
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.201806.3265@neocad.com> wurtz@neocad.com (Tom 
Wurtz) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, how many here are registered Dems/Reps and
>went to the caucuses last night? Personally, at my caucus, despite the
>low turnout, we had quite some disagreement about the senate
>candidates and alot of discussion about the platform (I'm Dem).


I went to my local caucus (democratic), which met at Fairview High
School.  We spent a lot of time proposing platform items and then took
a straw poll about the senatorial candidate (no poll was to be taken,
because it had been assumed that Wirth would run).  Out of 11 of us, 7
were for Lamm, 3 for Heath, and 1 for Campbell.  On KCFR yesterday,
they announced that Boulder County caucuses had voted for Heath.  If
our precinct was any indication, this was definitely *not* the case.
Wonder who's giving out this inaccurate information?


--
Vicki Holzhauer, NCAR/Research Aviation Facility 
Internet: vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
"I say, beware of all enterprises that require new 
clothes ... "                   -- H. D. Thoreau
Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: co.politics?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:57:33 GMT

I've been asked by Dave Hughes to create co.politics for Perot 
and other election discussions.  It would by nature be temporary.
He wants to import articles from a Fido BBS in Dallas too.  His
BBS in Colorado Springs is receiving calls from everywhere on
this subject.

I'm inclined to do so, and unless I receive many loud screams, I
will.  The "traffic creates newsgroups" vs "newsgroups create traffic"
issue has never been resolved locally, nor has an approval process.
I would rather have this be a community decision, but also feel 
the potential for co.* has been largely untapped.  This seems a 
harmless way to test the waters.
Newsgroups: co.general,cu.general
From: buckc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Buck-Gengler)
Subject: Needed: native speakers of German in Boulder
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:15:42 GMT

[Sorry if you've already seen this on boulder.general...]

I need native speakers of German for an experiment in silent
reading.  The actual experiment should take 10-15 minutes, and will
be reading coupled with a proof-reading like task.

If you are interested in participating, please send me email or call
me and I will give you more information and set it up.
If you know any other native speakers of German in the Boulder or
Longmont area, and they are interested, have them call me or send
email.

Thanks for your help!

Carolyn Buck-Gengler
CU Department of Linguistics
buckc@ucsu.colorado.edu
651-0612
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:06:43 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems

gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>   No, but his record as CEO of EDS can be examined. That should be sufficient
>   to form an opinion.
> 
>  .....
>
>   I have, and it isn't pretty. There are several sites with ftp-able Perot
>   statements (such as they are) to examine.

Gary, I am interested in what you might have to present on the matter
of Mr. H. Ross Perot.  "All I know is what I read in the papers," or
on the Internet.  Currently, the papers aren't examining the man very
closely.

I don't know whether I agree or disagree with your assessment of 
Perot, but I would definitely appreciate any stories or quotes
(preferably ones that can be verified) that you have to offer.

Same with you Perot supporters.

Let the debates/flames begin!

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: co.general
From: dougn@convex.com (Douglas Nieb)
Subject: Re: Can we contact State Legislators on the net
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:55:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Dave,

I just wanted to compliment you on the thoughtful article.  It was fun to
read something on the net that was so objective.  I especially liked your
"challenge" for all to get involved.  Too often we wait for someone else
to do things, when we could just as well jump in and get the ball rolling.

Doug Nieb
Convex Computer Corporation
Richardson, Texas
From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Tzan Tzu: Master of the Origami Fighting Fish)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Re: Denver Area BBSList & News Now Available
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:57:13 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (JV) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.154346.5810@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Dave Sim's Ugly Brother) writes:
>>mbarry@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:
>>>	The Denver Area BBSList[tm] and News, Electronic Edition, is
>>>	now available on Nyx via the "i"nformation menu, "db" submenu.
>>And where is it for the rest of the users?
>>Please take the time to post the path for files.  Telling us where it is
>>in the menus is no help at all.
>>
>Is, too. You can always use the menu system. I'm sure andrew hasn't disabled it
>for users with shell-access.

Yeah?  Well, I could also slit my wrists and drip blood on the keyboard, but
that wouldn't help much either.  If you're going to post about general
interest files, TELL US WHERE THEY ARE.

I'm NOT going to go into the menu system.  That's why I have shell access, so
I can stay away from things like that.

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From: rkp@drutx.ATT.COM (Russell Pierce)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Early Music Concert - Music of England
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:44:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T



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                             presents

     
                        Tis Nature's Voyce
          Music of England from the 16th & 17th Centuries


                            featuring

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                        with Guest Artists

                       Judith Coe, Soprano
                      Lisa Chumley, Soprano

            Performing works by Byrd, Dowland, Farnaby,
                 Henry VIII, Morley, and Purcell

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                   Denver
                   Epiphany Lutheran Church
                   Ohio and Corona Streets
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                   Boulder
                   Grace Lutheran Church
                   13th and Euclid

                $7 adults/$5 students and seniors


  Diverse Passions consists of:  Larry Brown - voice, Linda Lunbeck and
  Michael Lightner - recorders, and Frank Nowell - harpsichord.
  Dedicated to historically informed, exciting performances, Diverse
  Passions is finishing it's inaugural season of concerts across the
  Front Range.  Call (303) 499-7370 for further information.

-- 

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AT&T    		Westminster, CO 80234-2795	(303) 538-2023

Newsgroups: co.general
From: gary@isis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:21:54 GMT

>  Robert L. Dahlen
>> Gary Strand

>> Hopefully people will decide to vote for who's *good* rather than who's
>> merely *different*.

> If there were a "*good*" candidate, Perot wouldn't have to be involved.

  There *is* a good candidate -- (unabashed plug follows) -- Andre Marrou of 
  the Libertarian Party.

  Besides, I doubt Perot is in the race for the good of the country. I take
  a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be politicians.
  They have something up their sleeve far too many times to be trustworthy.

-- 
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (and co.politics)
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:35:51 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <1992Apr10.031149.19947@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:


>  ...There are several sites with ftp-able Perot
>  statements (such as they are) to examine.

I'd be in favor of a thread starting with position statements from
the candidates themselves.  I can't think of a better forum for hacking apart
political pap than netnews...

Of course, better yet, it should be a world-wide group...  Am I maybe
missing something in other groups (I haven't seen actual "blessed" positions
posted, just what so&so THINKS candidate X thinks...).

And even better -- feed the followups back to the candidates' organizations
should they feel an urge to reply to the few million netnews readers they
can potentially reach...
-- 
Andrew Burt 		   			uunet!isis!aburt or aburt@du.edu

	Disclaimer:  Nobody should listen to anything I say.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:48:29 GMT

>  Guy Wells
>> Gary Strand

>> Sure, he's different, sure, he's a straight shooter, but what I've read
>> doesn't lead me to support him.

> But, man, everything I've read is as close to real change as it comes.  For
> example, he believes that the constitution already supports a line-item
> veto, and he's willing to use it.

  What are his exact views on GATT? NAFTA? The War on Drugs? Gun control? The
  impending commercial bank bailout? Aid to the CIS? AIDS? Term limits? The
  mess with Iraq? North Korean nuclear proliferation? And so on?

  Support of a line-item veto is about 0.0000001% of the relative importance
  of the Big Issues.
-- 
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (JV)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Re: Denver Area BBSList & News Now Available
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:12:00 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Apr16.154346.5810@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Dave Sim's Ugly Brother) writes:
>mbarry@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:
>>	The Denver Area BBSList[tm] and News, Electronic Edition, is
>>	now available on Nyx via the "i"nformation menu, "db" submenu.
>And where is it for the rest of the users?
>Please take the time to post the path for files.  Telling us where it is
>in the menus is no help at all.
>
Is, too. You can always use the menu system. I'm sure andrew hasn't disabled it
for users with shell-access.

-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: co.general
From: daveh@teal.csn.org (Dave Hughes)
Subject: CSPAN
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:47:32 GMT


#: 8843 S5/Perot                                                                
    11-Apr-92  07:41:53                                                         
Sb: Perot Speech                                                                
Fm: Lawrence Geary/NJ 74017,3065                                                
To: All                                                                         
                                                                                
On Sunday, 4/12, at 9:30pm EDT as part of its "Road to the Whitehouse" series,  
C-SPAN will broadcast a speech by Ross Perot to the American Society of         
Newspaper Editors given Thursday or Friday.                                     
                                                                                
--Larry
From: mbarry@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Denver Area BBSList & News Now Available
Summary: April Electronic Edition now Available on Nyx
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:07:24 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: IBECC - A Non-Profit Educational/Scientific Corporation


	The Denver Area BBSList[tm] and News, Electronic Edition, is
	now available on Nyx via the "i"nformation menu, "db" submenu.
	
	The BBSList, which is verified on a regular basis, contains most
	of the active, public, BBSes in the Denver Area, and will be 
	expanded to include Colorado Springs and Fort Collins shortly.
	
	The Denver Area BBS News consists of articles which are of general
	interest to the BBSing and Electronic Community.

	Both List and News are updated monthly.
	
	The Paper edition of the BBSList and News is available at many
	computer stores around the area as well as at the monthly meeting
	of MICRO.
	
	Input, articles and updates are solicited and may be sent to me
	or to the addresses listed in the BBSList.
	
// Mb //
--
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   "If you're going to (mis)quote me, at least Spell my Name CORRECTLY!"   
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: razor!dunbars (Steven T. Dunbar)
Subject: FOR RENT: Poolside Condo!
Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:00:24 GMT

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From: wherry@alazif.cxn.dec.com (Colorado Cyberpunk)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Trek/Media Con in April
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: wherry@hootus.cxn.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co



I'm posting this request for a friend. 

Can someone send me information on the Trek/Media Con being held in Denver 
towards the end of April.  I believe the Con is being held at a Holiday Inn.

thanks,

brad
--
  bradley g wherry    |    Multimedia Research
                      |    HOOTUS::wherry
                      |    wherry@hootus.cxn.dec.com

   Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:45:26 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.204319.14913@ncar.ucar.edu> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  One President can't beat 535 Congresscritters all the time. And from what
>  I've read of Perot and EDS, we *don't* want him to be President. If he acts
>  the same as Prez as he did as CEO of EDS, we'll have random urinalysis, a
>  forced separation of unmarried couples who happen to live together, and
>  probably more dumping on the Bill of Rights than we do now. 

You forgot about the beards, Gary. He'll make us all shave, too.

>  No, Perot is not a good choice for President.

As someone once remarked: "I dont trust men on white horses - they keep
tryin' to put me in a corral..."

Steve
Newsgroups: co.general
From: fast@spot.Colorado.EDU (FAST BRUCE ALAN)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:32:14 GMT

>   Gary Strand
>>  Barbara Dyker

>> Cheap shots time... Thanks for your vote against Perot, Gary. That's a point
>> in his favor in my book.

> I'm not voting for Bush either. Does that make Herbie more attractive?

Hmmmmmm, _yes_!

>> I too would be interested in hearing less biased views on this campaign
>> year than those of Gary NRA Strand.  

>  A bit Bushian here, aren't we? "Card carrying member of the ACLU" and all
>  that horsepuckey? Sorry for using my freedom of association with people
>  you Don't Like.

Perhaps the "NRA" crack did give you the wrong impression;  we don't groan
at your postings because of your associations -- just because of you
yourself!  :-)

>  Well, as head of EDS, he disallowed beards, had mandatory urinalysis, for-
>  bade employees from smoking *at home*, and harassed persons "living in sin."

Somehow those things don't really sound very scary.  If he actually tried to
translate some of these restrictions on _employees_ (as an employer) to
restrictions on _citizens_ (as president), he'd be laughed off, slapped down,
or ignored.  If he could do more to discourage smoking than current trends are,
I'd be surprised;  if he could convince his staff to stop "living in sin" any
more than Carter did (remember?) I'd be even more surprised.  Mandatory urinalysis
on whom, his aides??  These things sound trivial compared to the big problems;
government bloat, the economy, education, you name it.  Maybe the president
of a 250-million-person corporation would have a refreshingly realistic assess-
ment of the sad old "War on Drugs", education and trade policies -- and if not,
will he be more of a failure than our current administration?

>  Lastly, is this country in such lousy shape that we have to go with some-
>  one like Perot? Are we really that desparate?

Apart from the implicit judgement, Yes.  He's a step in a better direction --
let those who are even better qualified please step forward QUICKLY.

Bruce Fast
fast@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: co.general,misc.jobs.offered
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Financial c/Sybase/Easel programmer
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:08:14 GMT

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