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From: visbieda@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: bbs + fax
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:50:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.1290.7731@dosgate>, "john lorenc" <john.lorenc@canrem.com> writes...
>I have an application to which I think BBS software may be suited.  Users will
>dial up the BBS and upload data files whose format is well defined.  Data in
>these files will be processed and then faxed back to the user.
> 
>I have been a long time user of PCBoard and understand that there are
>programmable extensions called doors.  At this time, I assume that is what I
>would need.  I am familiar with C programming and have dabbled in serial
>communications in the past.  
> 
>Specific questions that I have:
> 
>What type of operating system is required?  I'd prefer to stick with DOS, but
>would consider OS/2 if it's more appropriate.
> 
>How would/could the faxes be queued, if the line was busy / no answer / fax
>machine out of paper?  I would initially use two phone lines - 1 in and 1 out. 
>It would be nice to have a user uploading at the same time as a previous users
>fax is being sent out.
> 
>What BBS software would be most suitable?
> 
>What fax card / software would be suitable?
> 
>How difficult is it to program doors?
> 
> 
>I'd like to hear from anyone that has done something like this or has
>confidence that it can be done.  Do I have a chance to make this idea work or
>am I dreaming?
> 
>John Lorenc
> 
>Internet:  john.lorenc@canrem.com
>---
> ~ DeLuxe} 1.12 #1061 ~ Live Long and Prosper..
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

John, there's a sysop in Buffalo who has a fax service for his BBS's 
subscribers.  I don't have the information on who he is, or how he does it,
handy, but my bare recollection is that he is using PCBoard, and the soft-
ware is PCBoard-specific.  If you send mail to me at 3689176@mcimail.com, 
you will jog my conscience, and I will find out more for you.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Reply-To: /dev/null
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 11:47:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>However, unlike
>the Dell issue, the NixBogus list just doesn't matter enough. 

Obviously, you thought highly of Phil, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered
to contact him in the first place to be put into his list. Clearly the
Nixpub list mattered enough to you since you were willing to contact Phil,
not him contact you.

Only to have your poor ego bruised when he said that your system is not
good enough.... Awwwww.... Poor Johnny.....


>Besides, it's much more fun ti bait nitwits like you out of the woodwork.

Trouble with the keyboard, today, John?

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Organization: Blue Moon
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:36:55 GMT

Davin.Flateau@f120.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Davin Flateau) writes:

>>>it might be cheaper to get a V32b/V42b modem rather then the DS. a V32
>>>may run about $200 vs $499 for the DS.

>   However, be aware that HST speed on the new modems is now 16.8k...you get a
>LOT extra for that price.

 Not to mention that the Dual Standard is called that becuase it has
V.32bis (and V.42bis for both sides) as well as the HST side. And
USR has always been good about fixing problems (ROM upgrades) when there
are problems.  (but then, I am a USR prefered dealer so...)
-- 
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        Tested on dolphins and assorted helpless furry creatures

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From: slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:18:21 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?

        What's wrong with Coherant in the list.  Sure, DOS, OS/2 and others 
shouldn't completed, that's not UNIX or UNIX compatible.  Coherant is a UNIX 
compatible OS.
        It'd be like me starting a list of MS-DOS BBSes, and then say you 
can't get in the list if you are still using IBM's PC-DOS, even though its :

1) DOS
2) MS-DOS compatible
 

<< Scott Lewis >>

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:12:14 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>I'm not up on exactly how TBBS works, but if it takes complete
>control of the machine and either boots directly or replaces DOS,
>then maybe it is a complete OS in itself. On the other hand, if it's
>something like Windows or Desqview that rides on top of DOS which
>you can stop and be back in DOS, then I would say it's an
>application. I don't know for sure, could somebody fill us in? 

It's not it's own OS.  It uses DOS, etc.  It does do management of it
so that all the different requests coming from the different "lines"
are handled correctly, for instance multiple users leaving messages to
the message file.  It also grabs memory from DOS and EMS and then
handles it itself.


>In any case, functionally I believe it acts like an single-tasking
>OS running a single application. I don't think it makes a lot of
>sense to compare it with a multi-tasking OS + one of any number of
>applications, one of which can be TBBS if the multi-tasker has DOS
>emulation and TBBS is well behaved enough(?)

OS/2 - run TBBS in a DOS window.  You'd probably be better off running
Maximus, but if you don't want to change...
-- 
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have had if you'd stayed single.
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From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:21:01 GMT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

> Always interesting to see people like jim who are totally devoid of 
> anything useful to say and yet wants to be heard so bad that they
> use a whole article to pick a nit like that.  Boring life, huh?

Always interesting to see people like john who are totally devoid of 
anything useful to say and yet wants to be heard so bad that they
use a whole article to pick a nit like that.  Boring life, huh?

Frankly, I'm getting tired of John's attitude.  One more for the kill 
file...

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
The Permanent Floating BBS [Catch us when you can] ----------------------------
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From: tto@aspentec.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:23:14 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Aspen Technology, Inc. Cambridge, MA.

Gentlemen, please cool down.  I think everyone would benefit if both
of you can reach a compromise.

As a user, I would like to see more information available.  Thus, I would
like to know about sites that does not give free access to first time
callers such as John's.  On the other hand, I would also like to see the
information organized in a sensible way; and having John publishing a list
that largely duplicates Phil's just adds more confusion.

Here is some suggestions with no particular preference:

- [John changing his policy]  We are not dictating your policy, John, just
  trying to persuade.  Don't you think that publishing a modem-accessible
  number is a good way to advertise?  It would not be too difficult to make
  your system secure enough to thwart penetration by first time callers,
  would it?  Besides, you don't really think that all of your registered users
  would be guarding the secrecy of your numbers with extra diligence, do you?

- [Phil changing his policy]  Phil, we appreciate the service that you
  provide; but don't you think that the user community would be even better
  served with the inclusion of sites such as John's in the list?  Does it
  really matter that a phone number should provide information in the
  modem-intelligible format as opposed to the human voice (or FAX format)?

- [OK, OK, so none of you want to change]  So there have to be two lists
  after all. [sigh]  But gentlemen, please _cooperate_.  I would rather not
  see any unnecessary duplication of information.  So, John, please publish
  only sites that are not carried by Phil's.  If you know about a site
  that fits Phil's criteria, please forward to him and let him publish it.
  Likewise, Phil, please forward any other site to John, even if you do
  not agree with that site's policy.

I thank both of you in hearing me out.

Tak.
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From: phil@bts.com (Phil Eschallier)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Nixpub bashing
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:31:31 GMT
Organization: Bux Technical Services -- Doylestown, PA


the nixpub list has been bashed pretty severely and i have put up with
a lot of shit in the last few days.  john from dixie has published an
exchange of PRIVATE e-mail which i feel is out of line.  he has also
bashed the list, calling it the public toilet list and complained
about it in a handful of posts to alt.bbs -- even though he has
publically stated that he doesn't want any new users, would prefer to
advertise in a local journal, and now doesn't want to be listed in the
nixpub list anyway.  it is not my intent to complain, in fact, i'm
used to the logic (i have a 12 year old son).

as to complaints i've read about ms-dos systems not being listed in
the nixpub list -- this list is a list of UNIX (and variants) systems.
i have never considered ms-dos a variant of unix and i don't see
anyone complaining that they can't get their UNIX site into a list of
cp/m or ms-dos sites.  in fact this issue came to a head a year or so
ago, the result was that two individuals started the 'netpub' list.  i
don't know the current status of this publication, but ms-dos users
offering usenet (or whatever) should not be complaining about not
being able to get into a list of unix sites.

someone recently brought up coherent during the nixpub bashing.  i
would consider this a variant of unix.  i'd be glad to here
(thoughtful) comments on this -- in a different thread.

as i have stated before, my goal for the nixpub list is that any
individual with a copy of the list can call a unix site and get
something.  this includes anonymous uucp.

i don't want dixie (or any site) to change their policies just to be
in this list.  i am not a control freak, just an individual that
thinks public access unix is a worth while thing.  i don't want john
to risk his system's security or waist resources by having a public
login.  i have been flooded with e-mail over this issue of
restrictions for get listed in the nixpub list.  although i did not
keep an exact count, about 75% of the e-mail was in favor of current
policy.

as to statements i've read to the tune of "if phil gets rational and
changes his policy ...", i am rational!!  i have clearly thought-out
and stated my policies and beliefs.  the listing of public access unix
sites IS a worth while cause, and i will continue to do so, to the
best of my ability.





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 Inet: phil@bts.com                             P.O. Box 110
 UUCP: ...!{dsinc|gvls1|widener}!jabber!phil    Doylestown, PA  18901
                                                +1 215 348 9721
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:54:57 GMT

erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.225556.1029@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:
>>
>>In other words, you just like to leech off the goodwill of others, who
>>foot the bills of the systems they run.
>>
>>For instance, I run a several-node UNIX system directly connected to the
>>Internet. It costs me close to $500 per month to operate. While I like to
>>"share" as much as the next guy, sorry, I can't "share" $6k of my salary
>>per year so you can get a hard-on reading alt.binaries.erotica.etc.

>I'll take that as a flame, so I will be just as nice and say "screw off"
>right at the start.

>I run a Public Access system here.  I spend a lot of money and time to do that.
>I disagree with you.  Period.  Go away.

I agree with MD.  Many of the users like to leach -- it's a fact -- 

I like MD spend around $800 a month to keep my machine hot, and I have
no time for leeches.  If users don't want to contribute, then I don't want
them calling my machine.  Period.   

A typical small time operation like yourself usually doesn't agree with
with this theory, maybe that is why they are small with only a couple of
lines?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:19:18 GMT

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>Of course it is his list.  The problem I have is that he represents it 
>as comprehensive and nowhere that I've seen does he disclaim the fact
>that the list represents only those sites that operate the way he
>wants them to.  

Oh, this is utter nonsense. First, I've never seen Phil state anywhere that
his list is "comprehensive". Furthermore, he doesn't have to disclaim
squat. His list, his editing criteria, his bias. Clearly understood by
everyone (except you, apparently) who picks it up and reads it.


>It should be noted that his list also excludes any sites who choose not to 
>operate as a BBS.  Gwinnette.com, for example (unless he's changed
>recently) does not have ANY shell logins and provides only uucp news
>and mail service.

Since the list is tailored for people looking for a BBS, I see no reason to
include non-BBS's in it. I see Phil placeing Gwinnette.COM in the list
as about as helpful as listing Compuserve's phone number in it. Alot of
good Gwinnette's phone number does for someone with a modem looking for
a place to read news and mail.



MD
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Setting some of Bush/Quayle's lies straight...

black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes:

>The Truth: Clinton's plan would raise taxes ONLY on people making more than
>$200,000 per year. Apparently President Bush doesn't know anyone who has a
>job that pays less than $200,000.

Unfortunately, to pay for $220,000,000,000 worth of new spending which
Clinton has promised to inner-city mayors, etc., you would not get enough
revenue from these people even if you enforced a confiscatory tax rate of
100 percent.

>The Truth: Clinton's plan will CUT taxes on the middle class.

The truth is that any tax increase to offset increase spending will have
to come from the middle class. The middle class is the largest source
of tax income for the government.

>The Truth: A President can submit a balanced budget at anytime. Bush NEVER
>did. Under Bush, the national deficit has doubled to $400 billion. Gov.
>Clinton balanced the Arkansas budget 11 times in a row.

A balanced budget occurs over time, not in a single leap from $250 billion
deficit to instant balance. Congress has consistantly returned higher
spending bills than executive-branch-originated to Bush for endorsement.

>These were just a few things I wanted to set straight. 

Well, better try harder next time. Perhaps you oughta try a non-biased
approach to debunking.

MD
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From: kwatson@metz.une.edu.au (Kathy Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Email/internet access in Spokane
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:49:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia


I am trying to set up an email link with a poor relation in Spokane. Does any one know of a bbs in Spokane or area code 509 which he can link with that has an internet  connection. 

Free or cheap would be great. You can email me and I'll pass it on. 

Thanks from down under...

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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:36:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug28.123634.7149
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>most DOS users believe that BBS's should be free -- and that the SYSOP
>"owes them".  Yes -- I've seen it year after year.  Since moving to UNIX
>I've come to know a new breed of user who doesn't mind sharing the expense -
>which keeps the machine up and running.  I still get the DOS users who send
>in a subscription - and likewise, I still get the DOShead who believes the 
>machine should be free "since I owe them" 

I've found that attitude more common among the kids who came up from the
C-64 world. The only reason you don't see more of it on unix systems is
that they are rarer (as far a J. Random User is concerned) and the sysops
either keep them private, or charge.

BTW, a lot of systems *don't dare* charge (or even ask for donations) 
because it they do, they'll get slapped with business rates by the phone
company. (And in at least one case that I've heard about, the city then
went after them for business licenses, etc). In areas where the phone
company has that attitude, "cost sharing" is essentially impossible.

-- 
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CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: What distinguishes "good" BBS software from "bad"?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:11:39 PDT
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

What is the "best" BBS to use for a Special Interest Group?  I have to set one
up, and the software I have is The Major BBS (Galacticomm.)  It seems reason-
able, and complete, but I don't know enough to know whether it is good stuff
or not.  I don't even know what questions to ask!  So, how do I distinguish
"good" from "bad" in BBS software?  Is The Major BBS considered "good?"  And
for a BBS where people have to pay to get access (non-payers get very limited
access), what features should the BBS software have?

(I've posted this note also in comp.bbs.misc and, unfortunately, the software
I'm using doesn't allow cross-posting, so I posted the note twice.  Sorry 'bout
that.)

______________________________________-______________________________________
David Schachter                                 david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
801 Middlefield Road, #8                  ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
Palo Alto, CA  94301-2916                 After 10 am, voice: +1 415 328 7425
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:26:17 GMT

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

>marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

>> 	Wait there...Coherent is Unix, just based on an old release,
>> and develop/licensed to someone other then AT&T...if you throw this
>> in with OS2/DOS (don't know what QNX is *frown*), then are you
>> going to throw in Linux also...that isn't licenced to AT&T??

>Erm, are you sure about this? I don't think Coherent *is* UNIX, it's certainly
>not directly based on AT&T code (otherwise it would bear a (C) AT&T somewhere)
>and MWC would certainly advertise it as UNIX if it wasn't. As far as I'm aware
>Coherent is merely UNIX-compatible.

Coherent is not UNIX -- like you said -- it is UNIX compatible.   Vendors
are not supporting it -- Word Perfect told me they have no plans to support
Coherent "why should we bother with a $99 operating system which will never
be a standard in the business community?".  I agree.   Users can spend $99
to get a taste of UNIX - but they have no right complaining that "this and 
that" doesn't run or come with Coherent -- considering what they bought.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:33:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

Seems to me, after reading the exchange John provided, that John is, indeed, trying to dictate to Phil what he should and shouldn't include in his own list!  I think you ought to stop whining, John.  If you don't want to play by the list maker's rules, don't play.  Phil didn't demand you change your board's policy, don't call his list bogus just because you are personally offended.

By the way, I totally agree with Phil:  your first reply did, indeed, come across as _very_ hostile.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Coherent
Reply-To: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:07:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.171801.22038@vdbsan> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:
> Unix is a family of operating systems.. and is also a trademark.

A mighty mutable trademark. It used to be <smaller><bold>UNIX</bold></smaller>.
I'd love to use a better word. POSIX isn't it... you can be a POSIX.1 compliant
system and still not be able to run Cnews or Elm. I'm open for suggestions for
an alternative term.

> or USL makes such a pain of the whole ordeal, I'm wondering if Coherent thinks
> its a great idea to go about showing just how similar Coherent and Unix really
> are...

AT&T has already looked at Coherent and given it its blessing.
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