From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:16:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"

<1992Dec24.232715.18785@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) :
><1992Dec24.220626.10700@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><1992Dec24.001707.4181@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) :
>>><1992Dec22.194755.21291@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :
>>>>Young might be the next Danny White.
...
>>>We're never going to get meaningful career stats from Young due to
>>>his age, but comparing him to a scrub like Danny White is absurd.
>
>>That "scrub" had the highest rated passing stats for much of his career.
>
>Which is a larger statement on the veracity of the passing stat than it
>is on Danny White.  And before you get off a rim shot, bear in mind that
>I'v never pointed to passing stats as the sole, or even the primary, 
>method of assessing QB talent.

Me neither.  But then, what do *you* use to assess a QB if not stats?

>>He led his team to a few playoff victories too.  How many playoff
>>victories does Young have?  White also went to a few Pro-Bowls.  How many
>>Pro-Bowls has Young appeared in?
>
>Those are unfair comparisons and you know it.  How much exposure would you
>expect White to have had sitting behind Montana?  How many playoff games
>would he have been in for anything other than mop-up, let alone won?

Look, I was only saying that Young's starting career is similar in some
ways to Danny White's.

>>Danny White was not the best QB, certainly not in Elway's or Staubach's
>>class, but he was hardly a scrub.
>
>OK; "scrub" might have been a bit harsh, but to me, White was the 
>quintessential example of a player looking better from having talent
>all around him.  Talented WRs, an extraordinary RB, an awesome line,
>a defense that kept the *opponent's* defense on the field for most of
>the game, superior coaching, and (if you believe in such things) the
>Cowboy mystique.  White, IMHO, needed to be with the very best in order
>to shine.  While I acknowledge that Young probably couldn't lead the
>Seahawks to the Big Dance, his running skills alone make him a more
>versatile and effective QB than White.

It's debatible, but I tend to agree that if I were coaching a low talent
team I'd want a QB that could run for his life. ;-)

>>>Since I know that Gordon isn't quite that ignorant as a football fan,
>>>I expect he doesn't believe this himself, and merely posted it to get
>>>a rise out of John Gloria et al.  Gordon's probably giggling to himself
>>>even as we speak.
>
>>I was referring to a QB taking over for a legend.  White took over for
>>Staubach, Young for Montana.  White had a lot of talent at his disposal
>>for much of his starting career and put some impressive stats together,
>>but failed to win the big one.  I only note that Young is in a similar
>>situation.  
>
>Except that we're talking about White in the past tense, and Young could
>have several more years at it.

Yup, and TO THIS POINT their careers have some similarity.

>>Although he missed 6 games last year (his first year starting)
>>they had a better win/loss percentage with Bono.  
>
>Too small a sample space, and too many mitigating circumstances, to be 
>meaningful.

Maybe, maybe not.

>>Now he's having a
>>great statistical year, but he's still got to compete with Montana's
>>shadow (like White had to with Staubach's shadow) and that means winning a
>>SB.  I was referring to the similarities in their starting roles.
>
>Again, Young's 0 for (an incomplete) 1 in winning it all.  Given the
>abruptness of developments at the start of the '91 season, I don't know
>that any QB (except for Joe himself) could have done better.  It's way
>too early to start making White/Young career comparisons.  Even though
>Young's 30 years old, his NFL career is just starting.

What were the conditions for Jeff Hostetler when he took over for Simms
and won the SB?  I just want to point out that there have been QB's who've
taken over for a starter without much preparation and won the SB or had
good seasons.  BTW, I hope you aren't saying that Young wasn't *prepared*
to start in '91.  How can a QB as "talented" as Young and as "deserving"
of a starting role  NOT be prepared to start.

>>>Too bad those giggles will turn to whimpers in the coming weeks.
>
>>Why do you say that?  Will Gloria become the newsgroup moderator?
>
>Gordon, your sense of humor is definitely getting better.  (Probably a
>sign of an improving Bowboy team.)  I have to admit I laughed out loud
>at this.

Just enjoying the holiday season.


Gordon
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