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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Brazilian gleanings?

>     Once again you fail to listen closely.  The 'Erin go bragh' was
>emended to 'Erin go braghless'.  Substitute an explanation for 'Erin
>go bragh' into the emended quote and it is explanationless.

Never mind, I got an explanation against even such great odds. :-)

tushar
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: asterix

I don't understand. In all the comics I read, the druid's name is Getafix.

Of course the English translators deserve congratulations. Everyone remembers
the authors Goscinny nd Uderzo. Who knows the names of the translators ?
(Derek Hockridge and Anthea Bell.) I don't think I have got all THEIR jokes
yet. If the jokes in the English version are new, then that explains one thing:
all Gauls sound vaguely British. (As opposed to the British in the comics, who
say "Rather, old fruit". )

It took me a third reading to spot a message in one of the Greek episodes:
On a wall inscription in a corner, you will find the letters gamma omicron
sigma kappa iota ... with a start I realized that Goscinny and Uderzo had
out their names in there.

Another thing they have to be congratulated on is their authenticity. I had a
vague notion that the Greeks and Corsicans were correctly drawn, but it
really impressed me only when I saw Asterix and Obelix coming to India. The
Arabs look a bit like Pathans, but they are amazingly authentic. The chaperone
of the princess looks exactly like an old Punjabi lady. (India shows Muslim
influence, which is impossible, but excusable.)

Tintin coming to Nepal similarly heightened my confidence in their accuracy.
What a passerby shouts at Haddock is exactly what a passerby would shout in
India, and it is written accurately in Hindi. And I have a notion that even
translating "Billions of blue blistering barnacles" was a major achievement.

I probably have a yuppie mentality, but I think that Asterix (and Tintin) ARE
superior to all the Spidermans and Supermans and Flash Gordons. All the
American comics we got to read were DC comics (and Phantom and Mandrake) but
they didn't impress me at all. Oh yes, there was another distasteful thing
called Archie. Let's not talk about it.

tushar
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Time Magazine

Did anyone see the article about the changes in Time Magazine?
I heard that Time is totally restructuring the format and abandoning
the Times Roman font.

Evelyn
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

Sayeth        "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> I'm still waiting for somebody to explain HOW it is helpful to recognize
> and understand the patterns involved.

     I am in a similar situation to Adam and Nancy.  My father rather
pointedly corrected improper usage in my speech, and since I wrote
like I talked my English teachers assumed I knew the underlying rules
of sentence structure.  My 8th grade teacher actually refused to let
me sit in the class when sh taught these topics because I would be
bored.

     Anyway, Natalie wants a *use* for this stuff.  As has been
pointed out on this list, I use some rather odd sentence structures.
By understanding how sentences go together in general (and applying
the information) I can frequently derive how someone misunderstood me
and can try another explanation.  It also helps me to parse sentences
for multiple interpretations when writing documentation.  (A lot of
experience with a broad spectrum of people doesn't hurt, either).

     Hope this helps a bit.

The Ronin
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From:         GUBERT%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.

Nothing ever improved mine.  It's still childlike and messy.

JAG
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!

Ok, Aaron. Next guess is that your terminal itself receive the escape sequence
to set itself to uppercase (or else you were in setup and did it accidently).
In any case (hah, hah) if you know how to check your terminal for case setting,
make sure it's lower.  Else, just log out, turn the terminal off and turn it
back on.

That's all I can figure.

Good luck,

Chris
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:31:00 EDT
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>
>Sorry about my poorly worded question!  I didn't mean how has Latin
>helped you to know what a direct or indirect object is.  I meant how
>has that knowledge helped you in life.  What has its value been for
>you?
>

The overwhelming value is that I've become a better writer and now
that I understand what I'm using I can use it better.  How?  I dunno.
Better vocabulary, more interesting complex sentence constructions
(I'm the Swammi of Semicolons)..just in general a more advanced
ability to use the language.  I'm not saying that anyone studying
Latin will pick up these things--a good English teacher will teach
the same--but it helped *me*.

>
>You mean that you used "had" for everything?  That's interesting.
>How did you manage to get your ideas across?  And how did you pick up
>that odd habit?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Not for everything;  I was making a generalization.  I didn't
understand the time concepts behind the tenses, and as such I
couldn't use them properly.

--Adam, realizing that this is actually a words-related discussion!
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

A subtler "teasing" goes on in the academic world too. I always had to face
statements on the lines of "Kid, you won't understand this."  I don't know
why anyone thought that. I don't LOOK like a kid. (A precocious type might
look like that.)  Anyway, this is subtler and troubles me a good deal, since
it probably won't fade away. In school, it went away as we grew up. What is
the analogue of growing up in here ?

tushar

PS It just occured to me that I was less like the Calvin and Hobbes kid, and
more like the kid in Foxtrot. Jason, I think the name is.
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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> Steve Karlson (BBA, MA, PhD, LGYC)

What's the BBA??

Karen
BA, MA, MA, MPhil
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*** Resending note of 04/06/92 19:24



>dan  (one of the many, I imagine, who will get no raise next year,
>      same as all other Idaho state employees)

Well Dan, here in Florida, all State employees were given a raise (last year)
effective Jan 1, 92.  But do to budget, raise was delayed three months.
Now, again, due to budget problems, raise has been cancelled.  Well, we
at least still have jobs, most of us that is - some don't - and we soon
have to cut another 8 million from USF's budget (on top of about 26 million
already cut).  Anybody want to buy a higher educational school system cheap?
No extra charge for warm weather and sunshine.

                        Peace, (or at least in pieces)
                              Don
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Conversation Stoppers

> >Do you have to be a computer person to get a job at EFF?  Do they need
> >any English geeks there?  It sounds fun!
>
>         Are you kidding?  Not a single person in this office -- including
> our sys admins -- has a degree in computer science.  English degrees are
> the most popular (3), with business degrees being second in line (2).  We
>
> >        You guys hiring?
>
>         Yes, as a matter of fact.  We're looking for a Membership Director.
> Know any?

What's a Membership Director?  Can an English geek be one?  How do I
apply?  Will I have to pay my own way to Boston for an interview?  If
so, can it be around clambake time?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              14 Apr 1992 23:48:48 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:48:48 MST Dan Lester said:
>   Interesting concept....but there are darn few TVs that DON'T have a
>remote these days.  Of course that doesn't mean you have to use it, but....

  Our TV doesn't have a remote, but the VCR does, and sometimes I use that
to control the TV.  I wish I had had that when my ankle was broken.  It
would have saved wear and tear on the walker.

>
>dan

Evelyn
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Isaac Asimov
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              06 Apr 92 21:12:22 CDT." <9204070136.aa25982@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>:
>I at least will mourn. Childhood hero.

I will also.  I read one of his books on algebra (don't remember the name) in
junior high and that was when I first became fascinated with math.  I read
quite a few of his popular science books then, and got to the science fiction
later.

I recently reread the first 4 four books of the Foundation Trilogy ;-) and
they're still great.
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)DIR/NEW
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              92 4:04 pm

Alex writes:
>   Can't believe I forgot his name.....   Anyway, Sterling
> wrote Jurassic Park, which is about using genetic engineering to clone
> dinosaurs.
>
Jurassic park is written by Michael Crichton

rashmi
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:28:15 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye

>         Nope, Natalie. I read *every* golden word you write.

I trust that "golden" is a reference to my BWP medal.  Alas, I may
fall down in the standings over the next few days.  I'll be out of
town without much e-mail time and using my mushy-keyed laptop with
slower modem on a telnet connection that works well if I can get to
it but that has some iffiness of access.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 11 Apr 92 18:02:16 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92041112361683@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Evelyn) writes:
:But, Graham, if he was gay, why would he hit on a woman (disguised
:policewoman or not)?  Unless she was in male drag?
:
:Evelyn


I'll have to look at what I said more carefully.  There's obviously
a joke in here that I missed.

Actually, as the Keywords field said - it was a bit of blatant
plagiarism; that line was used about a famous killer who died
in prison for precisely that reason.  There was a movie about
it too.  There were two guys involved; both very upper-crust (if
such a thing is possible in classless America ;-) )

Actually I have a book somewhere of US scandals - maybe I'll
find the names in there.  Back in a mo', maybe.

Graham
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From:         BORING <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
              15 Apr 1992 22:03:23 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:03:23 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>> a linguist I thought you could enlighten the discussion.
>
>Are you saying you don't know what the term "slang" means?  Since most
>of the people on this list do know what it means, perhaps it would be
>less boring for everybody else if you made a quick trip to the UGA
>library and looked it up.

what is so tedious about defining 'slang'.  the dictionary will not do
in this case.  Why?  i do not want to be accused of tedium, so i will
allow y'all to go about your business, as usual. but somehow, you
mix highfalutin linguini talk with fuzzy terms.  the point is: does a
linguist define SLANG the same as those books (which books) at the UGA
library? BTW, dont be such a prescriptivist.
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>I hope the words-lers who headed to the Kendall Square station
>remembered to bring their nickels.  I'd hate to think of someone
>handing Don or Rita or Anne or any of the others a portable PC
>through the open window of a T train each day.

        Ah, but not from Sculley Square station.. it no longer exists
(well, it does, but it's blocked off and is used for storing emergency
supplies).  Besides, I have a T pass.

Rita
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: nouns
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              15 Apr 92 07:34:09 -0500. <9204151323.AA15378@sics.se>

  Tushar says:

  >In any algebraic
  >system with a binary operation, an idempotent element is one
  >which satisfies aa=a.

  Yes, you're right, this is the general formulation. But who, in or
outside Bombay, refers to composition of functions as "multiplication"?
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:30:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: music-math relationship

Quippeth the Ronin:

: But that would only get (Tushar) past undergraduate economics.
: He will need many more hands to get past the graduate courses.

Gosh, maybe that's my problem.  If I had as many arms as some of
the Indian gods, I would be working at MIT or Chicago now.

Steve Karlson

Three or four hands are sometimes useful in scow sailing.
From: TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tony Harminc)
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              10 Apr 1992 09:21:34 CDT from <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:21:34 CDT Frank Peters said:

>I find that I can enjoy hearing my horoscope without actually
>believing that the thing has any relevance.
>
>In fact, it is an amusing exercise in semantics to observe the
>techniques used to make the predictions vague enough to cover
>a wide variety of actual outcomes.  Not thesis material certainly,
>but kinda fun.

I think at least one thesis *has* been done on just this topic.  The
Skeptical Inquirer has had many articles on the methods of horoscope
makers over the years.  The magician and debunker James Randi was the
chief astrologer for a supermarket tabloid about 25 years ago.  Each
week he would shake a hat with slips of paper cut from other papers'
horoscope columns, and randomly assign them to the various signs.
Readers wrote in to tell him how accurate his forecasts were.

Tony H.
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, still alive"
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>---what didn't you like about it?  I signed up but never used it...

Well, it basically doesn't offer anything I can't already get from
this account (for now, anyway), and I really don't like the interface.
Menus drive me nuts.

>---can't you just dial in to a local computer center and use the
>network for free?

I know that works most places, but NYU made sure it won't work here.
There is a TELNET command on the dial-up, but it only lets you telnet to
NYU's own computers.  This, of course, makes no sense, since it only
lets you do what you can do anyway, and you have to add two extra steps
at that.

--Aaron
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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Posteth       Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

>                                             (maybe I could hide the
> batteries.)

     Depending on how observant the person is to such things, simply
putting the batteries in backwards might lead to the desired effect.
If this ruse works, then do it shortly after each new set is put in
and it should be possible to convince the offender that the control is
broken.  One can but hope.

     I will confess that I fall into channel swapping mode.  This
usually means that whatever is on is not capable of holding my
attention and I should go find something else to occupy my time.  Then
again there is switching between competing music videos to see if it
helps or hinders the story lines.

The Ronin
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      St. Claire Shores
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You mentioned riding your bicycle in St. Claire Shores or around
there several days ago.  That's where my dad was born, and I was
wondering when you lived there?(I grew up in Grosse Pointe Park.)

Karen
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE%CC.WEBER.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      SLC
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So I tried to send mail to Dan but it bounced.  Sorry everyone.
Dan, I work at Weber.  What are you coming to SLC for?   LJG
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Nashanul Akadame, agin

From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS@CWU.BITNET>

> sign        design         designate         signature
> ^^^^          ^^^^           ^^^^            ^^^^
> sine        duzine         desugnate         signuchur
> ^^^^          ^^^^           ^^^^            ^^^^
>
> This is just a minor example of the relationships that would be lost if
> spelling was entirely phonetic.  Can you imagine how utterly useless this list
> would be if we all spelled phonetically, each with his or her own spelling
> system decided on by how each spoke.  No thank you.

     I never had heard it put that way before, Chris.  Thanks.  Yet
another glimpse at the mind behind Sherlob Holmes.

The Ronin
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