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From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Question(s) about Upcoming Election
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:40:06 GMT


There's been some debate about out-of-country voting in (upcoming) elections:

Stewart Clamen wrote  (from Pittsburgh!):
>
>There a number of things that should be changed to make voting easier,
>mostly relating to polling hours.  The polls should be open for the
>entire TWO WEEKS prior to the election, so that people could vote at
>their convenience.  (Currently, the polls are open for one or two
>days, the week prior to Election Day, and then for only those that can
>prove that will not be able to present themselves at the polling
>station on Election Day.) 

Really?  Maybe I've been pulling a fast one, but I've voted before pollilng
day  in the last several elections -- I just go to the returning office,
wave the enumeration card (that came through the mail) at them, and they
give me a ballot.  I go  away and X it, and give it back -- no questions
have been asked of me.  And the  polling hours at the returning office
have been quite long, and for days, not just "advance poll" day.

 > Additionally, this would start to serve to
>improve the situation vis-a-vis the western provinces.
>

You mean the "the  election is decided before our votes are counted --
sometimes even before our  polls close" feeling from points west of
Winnipeg?

I'm not sure how this would  help.  The population distribution gives
Ontario and Quebec huge blocks in the Commons, and so largely how
they vote tends to determine the look of the Commons.   I guess it's
psychological -- the Maritimes are also out-weighed in population
terms, but  their polls close *earlier*.  Does this help?  I'd like
input from east and west  on this one -- since I live  and vote in
the Toronto area, I realise my viewpoint is limited.

Chris


-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: granger@stna.dgac.fr (Frederic Granger STNA 7CP p8126 AG23)
Subject: Stamp
Organization: Service Technique de la Navigation Aerienne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:49:03 GMT

Hello all, and Happy new year 1993.

This message is for a special request :

On radio in France, a few week ago, my mother hear that a stamp with
-- ELVIS PRESLEY -- will be printed on beginning of this January month,
 but i don't ember if it is in Canada, or in USA...

Please, is somebody can send my a postal card with this stamp ?
We will appreciate.
(i will send a personnal answer to all)

Adress is : F. Granger
            169 rue de Paris
            94220 CHARENTON le pont
            France
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: colette@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Colette Goodyear)
Subject: Copyright Law--2nd Draft?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:44:04 GMT

Does anyone have any information about the state of Canada's copyright
law?  I've heard that "they" have started working on the second draft
on the law and that "they" will be keeping it under wraps until
something is ready to present for government/industry comment.
But I have no idea if this information is correct and exactly who
"they" are (all I know is that there are no representatives from
Newfoundland so I can't get the scoop locally).  As the educational
institution with which I work
is preparing to revamp its copyright policies, I'd really like some
concrete info to bring to my next committee meeting.

I'd also like to know if anyone can cite any Canadian cases of companies
or people being hauled into court on copyright violations.

Colette Goodyear
(who doesn't work for Memorial University just goes
to school there)
Editor and local copyright "expert" (Hah!)
Cabot College (that's my employer) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: I GOT A MISSILE FOR SADDAM'S ASS!
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:11:17 GMT

     Did you guys hear what went on in Iraq today.  Iraqui military engineers
crossed the border into Kuwait to try and pickup military equipment left
behind.  This was an obvious violation of the UN resolution.  There was an 
unarmed Canadian observer who tried to block the Iraquis but a gun was put to
his head and he was told to steo aside.  What the fu** are we as Canadians
going to do about this.  If I was the prime minister, I would send a squadron
of F-18's to launch a missiles up the ass of these guys.  That wimp shit
prime minister of ours hasn't even publically condemmed the action.  There
is no way that this would have happened to a citizen of the US without an
immediate reciprocal action.  Let's pound that goddamn country back into 
the stone age.  And screw all of you pacifists out there.  There comes a time
when it is necessary to fight for the integrity of your country and your allies.
I say that every road, airstrip and any remnants of the Iraqui army should be
completely and utterly destroyed.  Enough of this stupid cat and mouse game.
God save the Americans!!!  I hope they resolve this problem with a little more
decisiveness than our "frightened puppy" government.  
     We have the technology to do it.  LETS!

                                            John

P.S.  Before you weak kneed yellow bellies critisize me, just imagine (do it)
      that the Canadian citizen out there was your brother, your father,
      or your mother.  DEATH TO SADDAM HUSSEIN AND ALL THE IRAQUI GOVERNMENT 
      TERRORIST PIGS!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:57:55 GMT

Nabil Idriss <nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> writes:
> I need some information on how to get from Vancouver Canada 
> to SeatTle WasHington by land. 
By land, it's too far to walk, jog, or cycle (in a reasonable amount of time),
so your only choices are Greyhound Bus Lines, or a rental car (paying the
"drop" fee will be expensive!).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:06:06 GMT

In article <charles.726261395@menaik> charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy) writes:
>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>>spoken like a true socialist.
>
>>how typical of a hypocrite to simply repeat for the hundredth time
>>a stupid, overly-simplistic pile of crud such as this, after his opponent
>>has already ripped his position into tiny pieces and he has chosen to
>>ignore those arguments.
>
>>beneath contempt.
>
>	A little courtesy goes a long way. My rule for posting is if I
>wouldn't say it in person then I won't post it.

courtesy is a two-way street. my frustration shows in what i said,
but there is nothing about it that i would retract even seeing it
the next day. i would say what i said in person. 

i have already explained why i consider Gerald to be a hypocrite, and
why his arguments are overly-simplistic and his behavior beneath contempt.
(perhaps "crud" was overdoing it, but not by much). 
if he showed any "courtesy" in his arguments, my statements would
not have happened.

you try having a conversation with someone who acts like he cares
about the truth, draws you into devoting energy into developing
arguments about what you consider the truth and why, then ignores those
arguments and repeats without substantiation the same claims you have
already shot down. then see how "civil" you feel. i have seen people
and arguments called far worse for far less. and remember what he has
called me as well. being called "anti-democracy" is pretty high
on my list of insults. and that was the first shot.

of course you are obviously free to judge me however you wish.
i'm sure many don't like my style. that is the risk i take.
i would just urge you to keep the offending statements in perspective.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: sitomlin@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen I. Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: 500 New Jobs Per Day
Keywords: recession, jobs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:01:02 GMT

carlos@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Miguel Borges) writes:
>sitomlin@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen I. Tomlinson) writes:
>>Statistics Canada reports that Canada's seasonally adjusted employment 
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>rose by 102,000 jobs in the last five months of 1992.  
>
>"Seasonally adjusted" - What a great term.
>It means that the new unemployment rate does not count those who are
>unemployed now and were unemployed at the same time last year.

Not true.  'Seasonally adjusted' only means that seasonal variations
that happen every year are factored out.  If you don't make this 
adjustment, you will see the unemployment rate fall every summer and rise
every winter, making the real trends harder to see.

So Statistics Canada is reporting that 102,000 more jobs existed in 
December than July than you would expect from seasonal factors alone.

>So, if you're jobless, but were jobless last January, then the government
>does not consider you "unemployed".  Even if you do receive UI.

Not true.  As long as you are actively searching for a job (in Canada,
that includes reading the newspaper), you are counted among the 
unemployed, year after year.  After the count is done, seasonal 
adjustments (based on many years of data) are made.  (Information source: 
John Grant's _Handbook of Economic Indicators_, 1992, pp. 113-5)

>If applied to Newfoundland, for example, the "seasonally un-adjusted"
>unemployment rate would probably be as high as 50 or 60%.

The way seasonal adjusting is done, the average unemployment rate for 
the year is the same whether you use seasonally adjusted data or not.
In Newfoundland, the unemployment rate averaged 13.3% in 1980, rose to
20.7% in 1985, and fell to 15.9% in 1989 (source: Grant, p. 73).
The latest data I've seen is 20.3% in June 1992 (Canada's unemployment
rate was 11.6% that month).  So Newfoundland's raw unemployment rate
would be a bit below 20.3% in June, and probably is a bit higher now,
but I doubt it's anywhere near 50%.  (If the raw unemployment rate was 
50% for 4 months a year, then it would have to be just 5% in the other 
8 months to produce a 20% overall rate.)

>I love statistics.  And the way they are used to hide the truth from us.

No one is trying to *hide* the truth from you.  When I lived in Toronto, 
I called up Statistics Canada once, pushed some buttons, and heard *both* 
the adjusted and unadjusted labour figures.  It was November, and I 
expected the figures to be dramatically different, and was surprised 
when they were almost the same (in hindsight, maybe that makes sense,
since November is in the transition between summer and winter).  I didn't 
punch up the figures for Newfoundland of course.  Maybe someone who lives 
within local telephone distance of a Statistics Canada number could try 
to find out what the raw numbers for Newfoundland are right now.

>Miguel - one of the few employed Newfs.

-Stephen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: New DND Min
Organization: Not Philips.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:56:55 GMT

In refd article, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <29483@oasys.dt.navy.mil> absmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil writes:
>>Would anyone care to comment on the appointment of the
>>new Min for DND?
>
>She's Mulroney's most likely successor as leader of the Progressive
>Conservative Party...but there is a good chance that that means she
>will be the next leader of the Opposition.
>This move is designed to move her out of the controversial position
>of Justice Minister, to a position where she can become up to date
>on foreign policy issues...

Oh?  In fact the analysis I heard pointed out that no leader has come from
that position while several have come from Justice, and the opportunities
to shine in National Defense are significantly less than in Justice.
Mulroney protecting his position against the competition perhaps?

[why are a group of domestic Canadians discussing internal politics in
s.c.canada rather than in can.politics?]
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  ray@cam.org           |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
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From: fernando@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Fernando)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: ANIMATION INFO.NATIONAL BOARD
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:07:16 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Imaging Science and Engineering Lab., Tokyo Inst. of Tech., Japan

I'm a postgraduate researcher in animation from Spain. Next march I
finish a Master course in computer animation at the Tokyo Institute of
Technology and I would like to continue my research in Canada. Because
my background is both artistic (graduated in arts at the Faculty of
Fine Arts of Valencia -Spain-) and technical (Master course at this
Institute) I would like to continue studying the creative applications
of computers in animation. 

I would appreciate any information about Art Centers in Canada and
how to contact the animation department at the National Board. From
Spain it is possible to apply for scholarships in Canada but I need
first to contact somebody there. I'm specially interested in
experimental studios and art universities. Any info is wellcome.

You can contact me at: 
           
              fernando@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Fernando C.Moratinos)

or write to:

		Tokyo Institute of Technology
                Imaging Science Laboratory
                4259 NAGATSUTA, MIDORI-ku
                YOKOHAMA-227. JAPAN

                Fax: (45)921-1492

Thanks in advance for any reference or help.

					Fernando C.Moratinos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN)
Subject: Re: Ookpik Day
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:59:09 GMT

From article <1993Jan8.183552.1922@sol.UVic.CA>, by rkerr@sirius.UVic.CA (Ron  Kerr):
[...]
> I am pleased that someone knows about Ookpiks I was beginning to think
> I was the only one.

  I think I still have a little one my parents bought for me, when I was
  young (er :-); possibly at Expo '67.  I had completely forgotten about
  it until this thread came up!

                                                        - Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:22:47 EST
From: John G. Spragge <SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Property rights and the constitution
 <C0JDJr.xH@mach1.wlu.ca> <1993Jan8.151600.19027@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
 <C0Jp8t.5C2@mach1.wlu.ca>

What property "right" do you want the constitution to uphold? The
constitution already prevents state goons breaking down our doors
or searching us on the street without good evidence of a crime.
What more security do you want?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: marky@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft
Followup-To: can.politics,talk.politics.theory
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:38:10 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>If I am advocating a limited democratic government...how can I
>be arguing that there is one right and true way to run a country...

I was referring to past discussions we have had on the nature of
"fundamental human rights".  You have said that every rational
person has these fundamental rights, that these rights are
limited _only_ by each other, and that any action that otherwise
restricts those rights is immoral.

In particular, you said that there is exactly one policy on gun
control that is moral (tho' you did not explicitly say what that
policy was).  You allowed no differences due to local morality or
conditions.  Rights are rights are rights.

You are now saying that the only right and proper way to run a
country is through a limited democracy.  No variations due to
local morality or conditions.

You stuff yourself into a tiny box labeled "Fundamental Human
Rights" and loudly proclaim that you have all the room in the
world.

>I would argue that simple majoritarianism is not sufficient...

At what point did I say that majoritarianism was the rule?  I
never did.  I never even said that democracy was necessary.
I said that government action is inappropriate to the extent
that it offends the morals of its people -- the greater the
offence the greater the inappropriateness.

By greater offence I do not mean a greater number of people
offended, but rather separate people each more offended.

>A society can often be judged extremely quickly by how it
>treats its dissidents.

I agree.  The mathematics is not terribly difficult, either.
Dissidents are offended by the way the gov'ment is doing things.
If the dissidents are maltreated, they only become more offended.
Also, people who weren't offended by the gov'ments original 
actions are offended by the way the dissidents are treated.
The total amount of offence increases when the dissidents are
mistreated.  Thus the government is acting inappropriately 
when it mistreats dissidents.  QED

No need to invent spurious rights.

Also note that the mistreatment of dissidents is not _a priori_
inappropriate, but relies on the fact that it offends someone
when you mistreat them or their friends.  It's a property of
the human race.  If humans were all masochists, there'd be
nothing wrong with mistreating dissidents, since they'd _enjoy_
it.

...mark young

NB:  I have altered the follow-up line to exclude scc (sighs of
relief echo around the net) and to include talk.politics.theory.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal)
Subject: Re: canadian subway
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:59:00 GMT

In article <C0J9Hv.7K6@panix.com>, dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes...
>If I might bother my Canadian neighbors for a second: I recall far too
>many years ago riding the ?Montrea? ?Toronto? subway and being impressed
>by itsrubber wheels.
> 
>Can anyone advise 1) which city thiswas, and 2) whether it still uses
>rubber tires for wheels.
> 
this does sound like what i ride to/from work every day.
so the answer is 1)  montreal and 2) yes.

"Well, I'd like to be with you,
 And you know it's Friday too ..."
	Janet Jackson, "Escapade"

Rosemary Warren		rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:16:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.172503.18511@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
[ ... ]
>No matter how well intentioned neo-conservatives and objectivists are,
>they too are advocates of authority. When they proclaim as rights what
>is merely a necessity, they are just reinforcing the order that reigns
>over us today. I have heard neo-conservatives who say that they love
>freedom but are the worst war mongers and believe that it is OK to tax
>people against their will to fight wars that that they want people to
>fight, simply because the "enemy" doesn't share values like freedom. What
>these warmongering neo-conservatives do not realize is that they are
>reinforcing the idea that people are nothing and that the state is
>everything. That it is OK for people to be taxed and conscripted to
>kill and die in a foreing country based on the whims of evil politicians.
>That ultimately the State is God.

I urge you to read (or maybe you have already) the recent writings from
Noam Chomsky. You have a few views in common with him, and you may find
his other views quite revealing too.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:44:24 GMT

alright, Gerald. you can have the last word.
as i said; i don't have any interest in continuing a conversation like
this with a person such as you. you warp and twist everything and have
no interest in learning anything about that which you obviously don't know.
you remind me of religious fundamentalists who spout dogma, discard
arguments they don't like, and call everyone *else* fundamentalists.
so spread all the lies and propaganda you like, live on in your
inconsistent dream world, and have a nice life.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: pikedav@lab5.duc.auburn.edu (David Pike)
Subject: Question(s) about Upcoming Election
Organization: Auburn University, Alabama
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:09:57 GMT


Sorry to get you all excited... this is NOT an annoucement that a Federal
Election has been called.  But, as we all know there is going to be one
before the year is through, I want to ask a question or two in preparation.

In particular, this is my first year living outside of Canada.  When the
election is finally called...

- will I be allowed to cast an absentee vote?
  (I wasn't in the Referendum :-(

- if I'm allowed to vote, what must I do to ensure that will actually get
  to vote?  Will the Canadian Embassy contact me, or must I contact (or,
  heaven forbid, visit) them?

Any comments from people who have gone through this before would be
much appreciated.

- David.
 
--
David Pike              Researching: Batstone, Ford, Greening, Hobbs, Ivany,
pikedav@mail.auburn.edu              Janes, Jones, King, Lintern, Penney,
pikedav@lab3.duc.auburn.edu          Pike, Pottle, Price/Priest, Quinton,
Auburn University, Auburn, Alabama   Sheppard, Vaughan, Walters, Wells
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:48:17 GMT

In article <bob1.726335681@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>In <1993Jan6.005540.28068@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>there are two sides to every story, and you have missed most of mine.
>
>No Charles, we've seen it all, every last self-aggrandizing bit of it.
>A line from an old Alistair Sim movie comes to mind, something about
>a pompous ass.

i'm not running a popularity contest. if you think i am a pompous ass, fine.
but if that's all you have to contribute to the discussion, you'll forgive
me for not really caring too much about your opinion of me. sorry if i
am being "pompous" again.

--
charles
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