HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eab@geneab.b20.ingr.com (Ed Baggott)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Reply-To: eab@geneab.b20.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:52:40 GMT

I just called Perot's 1-800 number to tell him not to run,
and guess what?  I got a recording saying my call will be added to
the talley of those requesting that he run, and "Thank you for your
support!".  Has this happened to anybody else?

I think that's a pretty deceitful way to treat a caller.  No doubt
this is an indication of how his "electronic town meetings" will
be conducted.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.183028.11379@news.columbia.edu> rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.231355.19702@access.digex.com> breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.125823.17680@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep29.100638.7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>>>  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>>>
>>>>  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>>>
>>>Right...  I think this gives us a hint of how Perot would work as president. 
>>>
>>>He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporters
>>>who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
>>>support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
>>>measure of what the majority of his supporters want.
>>>
>>>Bend over, folks...
>>>
>>>-- 
>>Oh, yeah!  Like every Bush nazi and Clinton socialist wouldn't be
>>on the tele. <all night long>
>
>Um, well...if Bush "nazis" and Clinton "socialists" outnumber Perot
>fanatics, shouldn't that be a message to Perot?
>
>Rob L.

Um, of course.  But, that isn't the question Perot asked.

Besides, I guess Bush could get the same message from Clintons
supporters, and he should quit the race too.

Rob R.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Perot is a joke
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:35:52 GMT

falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
| Let's just say this, without Perot, Marrou will never see the White House,
| in much of any capacity.

  There is a shread of truth to this.  The Democrats and Republicans have
  rigged the system in their favor.  There is a chance to start to reopen
  the system with a large protest vote this election.  With 5 weeks to
  go it makes no sense for the supporters of outsider candidates to beat 
  up on each other.  Direct your attacks on the establishment parties and
  their candidates.  God knows, they deserve it.

  I'm supporting Perot, but I'd rather see a vote for Marrou than either
  Clinton or Bush.
  ==

  Bob

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye)
Subject: Media Appearances
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:07:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Perot will be on the Today Show (the first hour) both Monday 9/28 and
Tuesday 9/29.  He'll also be on Larry King Live Monday 9/28.

Commercials are scheduled to start Tuesday.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Perot's V. P. Candidate
In-reply-to: dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu's message of Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:10:27 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<1992Sep29.171027.26754@pellns.alleg.edu>
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:47:17

In article <1992Sep29.171027.26754@pellns.alleg.edu> dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn) writes:



   So, if H. R. P. gets back in the race, who will be his running mate? I  
   reemember in some states he had a problem getting on the ballot without  
   one, and came up with a name. 
   I'm interested in both predictions and preferences? 

Tuesday's New York Times stated without qualification that retired
Vice Admiral John Stockdale will be Perot's running mate if he runs.
Stockdale is a former Vietnam POW, Medal of Honor winner, and
moral philosopher now at a Stanford think tank.  The NYT article
was on an inside page--about p. 10, I think.
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: 1-800-bend over STUPIDITY!!!
Keywords: perot
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:17:04 GMT

In article <BvGCqp.G2n@news.larc.nasa.gov> rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) writes:
>_You people_ who want to call the 800-number just to screw up the
>count are a bunch of *** ASSHOLES ***.  While you jerks are
>playing your silly games with a legitimate political activity,
>other people are actively trying to do what they think is the
>right thing for the country.  It looks to me that maybe we have
>too many under/uneducated adolescents that (unfortuately)
>know how to read and write but have no clue as to when to 
>keep their unwanted and unproductive opinions to themselves!
>
>_You people_ are part of the problem--GROW UP!!!
>
>
>Mike Rowland
>
>Mike Rowland, Aerosol Research Branch, MS 475
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
>internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov

Thanks Mike!

I was thinking that but, didn't want to say it.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: RUN Ross RUN
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.135953.26357@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>
>
>At the risk of dignifying his answer with comment: what a creep. Not
>to mention he seems to be afflicted with the Bush "syntax thing" 
>difficulties.
>
>No doubt the person who "said it so many times" is now under investigation.
>
>---
>Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com


I think Perot is trying to play a real slick one on the American public, though
I think he is being real naive in attempting to do so. Although, I do not 
believe in polls (because the people who are polled, often do NOT vote !), the
polls clearly show that his chance of being a president are as good as mine ; )

Anyway, here's the slick one, he atleast thought he could play: He quit the
race in July, just when his past was being investigated (a la US-media style),
and all the skeletons in his closet were coming out, and his poll numbers 
began to wane. He figured he would come in at the very end so that the 
media would not have time to investigate any further into his past, and by
riding on his "renewed" crest of popularity, he could crack the elections !  

Any comments on the above hypothesis ?


Sid
Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:1730 alt.politics.bush:7355 alt.politics.elections:14800
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot's V. P. Candidate
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:55:35 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <16873A28C.hrperot@uwsa.com>
Hillary Ross writes:
>Don't know many of the details but a newscast just announced that Ross'
>running mate would be someone named Benjamin Dover.  No more details
>except that Ross said "I am happy to announce my running mate,
>Ben Dover, and we will give the volunteers exactly what they want."

I heard this too.  Ross said something about this being a "bottoms up"
party or campaign.  I say we rename our movement The Bottoms Up Movement.
Our logo could be a photograph of a group of citizens perched with their
bottoms up in the air, with Ross behind them all the way.

                       VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT AND
                          BEN DOVER IN '92

HURRAY  HURRAY  HUZZAH  HUZZAH  HURRAY  HURRAY  HUZZAH  HUZZAH  BOTTUMS UP
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Ross for Boss
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:36:59 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <templef.29.0@columbia.dsu.edu> templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
>The subject said it all.
>Let's turn Washington, D.C. upside down!
>H. Ross Perot for President!

And then what, have him quit ?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: Perot Followers and rotten eggs
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.212035.846@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa writes:
>The loyal followers of Ross reminds of a group of people who attend a pot luck
>picnic with deviled eggs. Later they are told by others attending the picnic
>the eggs are spoiled and therefore will cause severe stomach gas pains. But it
>seems the loyals are so loyal they continue to eat the eggs and attempts to
>convince everyone by scarfing the eggs as if to say "See they aren't bad! I'm
>still eating them!" 
>
>What they should be doing is trashing the eggs and looking for alternative
>dishes to scarf.
> 

So what do you suggest? Perhaps a 'clinton-bacon-gritz' special with a democratic
congress as a side order, or some 'scrambled-bush eggs' with 'fried quayle wings'?
Either one of which is guaranteed to put the customer into a coma. Perhaps the 
severe stomach gas pains due to the spoiled egg is not such a bad choice :-(

John Korman


Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:1823 alt.politics.clinton:8339 alt.politics.bush:7623 alt.politics.elections:15049
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: RUN Ross RUN
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:36:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct2.234223.5950@lucid.com> johng@lucid.com (John Gregory) writes:
	[ talk about an october suprize conspiracy deleted]
>
>On the nose. Not only that, by waiting untill Oct 1. (rather than the
>previous Monday waffle) he will not have to file a report with the
>election commision (re spending, fundraising) untill *after* the election.
>One day earlier he would have. Seem curious?
>
	Except he's been reporting his spending all along. Otherwise, the
press wouldn't have known he spent 4M in august. I'm not saying he didn't
plan an october suprise all along, just that this rationale doesn't hold
water.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Yet another old fart memory failure
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.025657.29694@unislc.uucp> rod@unislc.uucp (Robert Despain) writes:
>On the basis of issues and such, I can't really tell whether or
>not I'm a supporter of RP or not.  It's a mixed bag for me (I kind
>of like the idea of the increasing the gasoline tax since I bike
>commute; am unsure if reducing the deficit helps me or harms me
>-- probably harms me since I'm an old fart with no
>kids/grandkids).
>
>R.O.
>R.O. Despain                  |
>Mature Products Group         |  Internet: rod@unislc.slc.unisys.com
>(801) 594-4633                |      UUCP: ...!{sun, uunet}!unislc!rod
why the hell would you be for increasing gas tax...so what if you bike or
commute or whatever...gas tax is regressive and why should we finance the
wasteful spending of government with gas tax.  gas tax should only go to 
maintaining roads.  i don't care that our gas is cheapest is the world or that
we import 40% of our oil.  those are not reasons for a tax.  lets enjoy the
cheap gas and burn up the middle-east supply as long as it is cheap...if it
gets too expensive...then we will start drilling here again.  and don't tell
me we might be "held hostage" by middle-east oil...we just proved we can go
kick ass anytime we are concerning about oil!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: RUN Ross RUN
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:19:55 GMT

Goddamn.  I wanna put that "Run Ross Run" bumper sticker on the front
of a Mack truck.  "Sprint Ross Sprint?"

waiting for stratocaster....


--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Perot's spine
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:11:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

> Voting for him will be wasted.

This is incorrect.  A vote is not wasted if it is cast.  A vote is a 
statement made by an individual that is heard by all.

Not voting is a waste.

Still undecided,
Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: Perot's Idle Time
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160932.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>     Maybe it's just me, but don't you think old Ross really needs
>to find himself a hobby?  Golf, tennis, biking -- anything but
>playing these games with the Presidential election.    


Who knows? Who cares?
However, what WE really need is to have the candidates address the budget 
deficit issue as seriously as Ross Perot is doing. So far, both Clinton
and Bush came up short on that issue. Whatever it takes to get the 
attention of these two knuckleheads is a worthwhile "hobby" to me. :-)

John Korman

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Ross for Boss
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:00:29 GMT

templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
| The subject said it all.
| Let's turn Washington, D.C. upside down!
| H. Ross Perot for President!

gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
| And then what, have him quit ?

  Nope.  Then we work on throwing the rest of those jerks out.
  ==

  Bob
From: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot: Getting it done?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <z1+p3ba.mpye@netcom.com> mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye) writes:
>rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:
>
>
>>How can Ross Perot get anything accomplished, exactly, given the
>>fact that neither political party is willing to support his agenda,
>>and the US Senate and House of Representatives will still consist
>>entirely of Democrats and Republicans?  Without *any* kind of 
>>support in Congress for a large portion of his ideas, wouldn't
>>we just be setting ourselves up for four more years of logjam in
>>Washington (i.e. President Perot proposes something to Congress,
>>Congress shoots it down, nothing substantial gets accomplished, and
>>nothing at all changes)?
>
>You're underestimating Perot for one thing.  For another, suppose 
>Perot wins.  His book, United We Stand has sold a LOT of copies.
>People are paying to read his plan.  If all these people then go out
>and elect him President, don't you think that's a fairly strong 
>support for his plans as well?  And if congress then decides to 
>throw a wrench into the works, won't they be telling the American
>people "we don't CARE what you want, we know what's best for you"?
>And don't you think that the American people will get just a little
>bit pissed at that?
>
Sure they will.  But when the American people get pissed at Congress,
it's always someone *else's* Congressperson they get pissed at!  "Vote
the bums out!" everyone will scream.  But when it comes time to choose,
they'll vote for Senator (or Representative) Incumbent just about every
time.  Congress is *full* of "career politicians," who always spend 
massive amounts of money to ensure their re-election.  And the average
voter will almost *always* go with the incumbent, unless there's some
horrifyingly flagrant reason not to (i.e., pictures of the Senator 
having sex with an animal, etc.).  Even then, the incumbent position
is incredibly difficult to topple because of the dominance of certain
parties in certain states.  How else do you explain my beloved home
state of Massachusetts' continued election of the "honorable" Ted
Kennedy?

Pessimistic?  You betcha.  I simply don't think that one man can 
change that much, no matter how much support he has among the people.
In practical terms, it's Congressional support he needs to get things
done.  And I don't see that coming for Perot.

Rob L.
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep30.141734.24557@wuecl.wustl.edu>, gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
> John Switzer writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.113002.27005@crd.ge.com> /dev/null writes:
>>>Bob writes:
>>>> To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>>> This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>>>
>>Call anyway - Perot has to pay for the calls, so it's just as valid to call 
>>the number and say you think Perot is scum.
> 
>   The problem is that a computer answers the number and says something to the
> effect of "Thank you for showing your support of Ross Perot.  Your vote has
> been counted....*CLICK".  You don't have a chance to say anything !
> 
>   Just another example of how Perot doesn't want to hear anything bad about 
> himself.
> 
     Here's a question: is it true that the purchaser of an 800
number can obtain all of the phone numbers of the calls made
to that number?  I thought I heard that somewhere...
If it is true, do you think Perot would do something with this
information?

     C. Perttunen
Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:1887 alt.politics.elections:15377
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Perot-ball!
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:54:24 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

The Ross Perot Pre-Game Show

[excerpted w/o permission from Richard Sandomir's _A Viewer's Guide to
the Playoff's_, NYT 10/6/92, p.B12]

The out again-in again Presidential candidate's 30-minute infomercial
makes its debut at 8 PM tognight, a lead-in to Game 1 of the
Pirates-Braves series.  Here's an advance peak at what he will say: "I
hear baseball's in trouble.  Needs a fella who can sweep out hte barn.
So I'm droppin' out of the Presidential race.  Baseball fans have been
speakin' to me.  I am their servant.  So now I'm the new commissioner.
Been buyin' up all the clubs.  Not just the biggies but little bitty
ones like Milwaukee and the foreign ones way up in Canada.  Why can I
do this?  Cause I've got $3 billion.  Simple as that.  I will not
answer questions about whether I've investigated Bud Selig or his
family."

--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Libernet: a libertarian/classical-liberal forum
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:49:57 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Subject: Re: RUN Ross RUN
Reply-To: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:42:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.145447.25746@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
|> 
|> I think Perot is trying to play a real slick one on the American public, though
|> I think he is being real naive in attempting to do so. Although, I do not 
|> believe in polls (because the people who are polled, often do NOT vote !), the
|> polls clearly show that his chance of being a president are as good as mine ; )
|> 
|> Anyway, here's the slick one, he atleast thought he could play: He quit the
|> race in July, just when his past was being investigated (a la US-media style),
|> and all the skeletons in his closet were coming out, and his poll numbers 
|> began to wane. He figured he would come in at the very end so that the 
|> media would not have time to investigate any further into his past, and by
|> riding on his "renewed" crest of popularity, he could crack the elections !  
|> 
|> Any comments on the above hypothesis ?
|> 
|> 
|> Sid

On the nose. Not only that, by waiting untill Oct 1. (rather than the
previous Monday waffle) he will not have to file a report with the
election commision (re spending, fundraising) untill *after* the election.
One day earlier he would have. Seem curious?


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Perot news conference
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004400.25207@netcom.com> mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye) writes:
>Perot will hold a news conference Thursday, October 1st at 4PM EST.
>CNN should carry it.
>

the first interesting thing to watch is how the debate schedule
is affected by this.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org