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From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren and Renault
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:26:19 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

In article <183780@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>Brian Lee Wilson writes:
>>
>>Do you think that McLaren and Renault will have a decent         
>>relationship considering how Ron Dennis got it?        
>
>Have I missed something, or is this still in the rumour stage?  And
>if I missed something, how did Ron get it?

guru sez:
	it's now reached the "kinda-legit" stage. 

	The two stories I heard are:

	1: Ron bought the entire Ligier team and creamed off the Renaults
	for the McLarens, leaving Ligier to find their own engine deal.

	2: Ron bought the Renault contract from Ligier, simply to get Senna
	to stay, but I can't see him doing so, since he offered his services
	free to Williams.

	In any case, Ron's got some tricky negotiation to do with Shell and
	Elf.....
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From: naren@fang.att.com (Naren Chauhan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: top 5 drivers/top 3 tracks
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:14:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL

My top five drivers: (in no particular order)
 
  1.  Alain Prost
  2.  Ayrton Senna
  3.  Jackie Stewart
  4.  Niki Lauda
  5.  Gilles Villeneuve

Top circuits:

  1.  Brands Hatch
  2.  Nuburgring
  3.  Spa

Naren
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From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:40:25 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:

> Was it just me, or did Al, Jr. sound rather upset in the pre-
> race interview on ESPN?  It sounded to me like he didn't like the
> idea of trying to win a championship in a development car.

He certainly did not sound sold on the wisdom of the decision at that
point in the weekend.  But this was after several days of trying to
find a setup that would work.

Someone please find a source that gives some data about the team's
opinions back on Wednesday.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Obituary: Denny Hulme 1936 - 1992
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

Paul,

Many thanks for retyping Denny's obituary.  The 60s and early 70s was
one of the true golden eras in motor racing and "the Bear" was one of
the nuggets who made that time shine so brightly.

Chris Prael
From: William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NH Cup race???!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:26:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Oct11.182636.5528
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I heard somebody on the net say that NHIS will have a race next year.
Is this true? When is it?! Thanks!

---------------------------------------------
William Hall, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH.
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From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: F1 Rules update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:02:00 GMT

In case you missed Speedworld, here are the results to come
out of the latest FISA meeting.

Mandatory pitstop rule has been cancelled.

World Sports Car has been cancelled.

IndyCars have been granted permission to
run at most 6 races outside U.S/Canada but
they all must be ovals. 


The pitstop rule is a wise move. If Williams continues to dominate, the
only way to bet them will be risking it on an old set of tires and 
forgoing a pitstop.

Too bad about WSC, a clear case of FISA mismanagement.

As for this IndyCar nonsense, Surfers Paradise isn't a oval
and it is on the 93 schedule, so I don't think CART cares
too much about getting FISA's permission to race.

George
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:43:40 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Anthony Doig writes:

>>Interesting tidbit in USA Today (10-14), and I quote
>
>>"The IndyCar cicuit reached agreement with the Federation International Sport 
>>Auto to stage up to six international oval races next season.
>
>How many ovals in Europe are there that are capable of running Indycars.
>There is an oval at Calder, Australia that runs NASCARs (I don't know about
>Indycars, though), but this is the only one I have heard of outside North
>America.

I don't think the USA Today had it completely correct.  Its probably some sort 
of an agreement over the next several or so seasons.  IndyCars has no chance of
running more than one (if that) oval races outside of NA next season.  The one
that I'm thinking of is Brazil, but that's probably for '94 anyway.

BTW, those out there who like the idea of IndyCars expanding, I hope you live
in one of the weaker IndyCar markets.  Because maybe in the upcoming years 
there won't be a race close enough to attend.  IndyCars has evolved from the 
National Championship and should remain one.

Dan Jones
From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Question
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:32:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct12.163258.8033
Organization: The Ohio State University


Can anyone comfirm that Porsche won the manufacturer's cup in the Bridgestone 
Supercar series?  Thanks.

Deron Wood
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From: popple@picard.med.ge.com (Glen Popple Mfg 4-6982)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Charlotte Update
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:59:17 GMT



Rumor has it that Bobby Labonte will be driving for this team.  Next season will be this teams first
attempt at Winston Cup with Labonte going for Rookie-of-the-Year honors.  The team owner is Bill
Davis.       
e
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Notable IndyCar Winners
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:10:28 GMT

I was glancing thru a list of previous IndyCar winners during
the history of (IndyCars) back through 1909.  Of note:

- Tazio Nuvolari  10/12/36 at Long Island
- Bernd Rosemeyer  7/05/37 at Long Island

Great trivia stuff

-cball-
P.S.  Am looking for a complete program from the 1978 Indy500.
Seems I've misplaced mine thru the years and moves.


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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Formula SAE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:38:05 GMT

Sirish Vissa writes:
>In earlier articles there were people talking about a single seat formula car,
>well, This is done through the Society of Automotive Engineers.  
>it is known as Formula SAE.  I dont have any other info on it though.

Formula SAE is a student design competition, where elligible colleges design,
build, and race a small, open-wheeled formula car.

The cars must use a 610cc or smaller 4-cycle engine.  There are a myriad of
other minor rules about wheelbase, etc.  The engines can be turbocharged,
supercharged, or naturally aspirated (no restrictions on any type).  The
design is critiqued as part of the competition, and there is also a driving
portion.

The driving competition is broken into an acceleration event, a skid-pad
event, an endurance event and a head-to-head competition.  The head-to-head
event is passing controlled, i.e., you have to pull over if the race marshall
thinks the guy behind is faster.  (damned liability lawyers!!!)

Thirty or more schools compete each year.  A chassis is elligible for only
two years before a new one must be built.  Most teams use motorcycle engines,
and a lot of them per team!  Seems motorcycle engines aren't designed for
the large lateral accelerations (> 1.1 G's) and tend to starve the bearings
of oil, POOF!  Quite a fun competition.

I was under the impression that the SCCA, one of the event sponsors, has a 
class that these cars can race in.  Any truth to this?

Rob U
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From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: Auto tranny fluid in manual gearbox
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:55:17 GMT

In article <Bw68AC.E7M@mcigate.apdev.mci.com> rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.025313.9642@thumper> meier@thumper (Christopher Meier) writes:
>>So, does anyone have a pro/con analysis for the use of
>>automatic transmission fluid in a manual gearbox for
>>racing purposes?  My particular application is the
>>Ford 4spd used on their 4cyl cars (don't have the
>>part # at hand :-) ) on oval tracks, second gear
>>mostly, with no during race shifts.  Maybe this
>>winter I'll take one apart and look for problems.
>
>The BW T-5 requires use of ATF instead of 90W, due to the fact
>that the 90W doesnt splash around enough.

	I have been told that one of the reasons that ATF is used in
newer cars is that it is thinner than 90W, and thus gives higher
EPA milage figures.

	I was recommended to use half 90W and half ATF in my older
Datsun 4-speed.  The lighter mixture allows faster shifts (with
no apparant damage) while the detergents in the ATF prevent varnish
buildup (quoted as being the main reason for synchro slippage).

--Ken
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From: 10707549@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RADEK PRCHAL)
Subject: Petrese too old ??
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:59:31 GMT

 After watching the crash about 20 times, I don't have any doubt that it's
 Petrese's fault. Berger was clearly going into the pits, and I feel that
 Petrese with all those years of F1 experience should have known that.
 I seems to me that perhaps Petrese should retire, as he's clearly danger 
 to other drivers. After all just look at his F1 record !! In more than
 220 races he only won 5 times. He has driven for number of teams, always
 being their number TWO driver. Just look how easily Mansell beats him !!
 If you have two drivers in identical cars and one of them always beats the
 other, there is only one reasonable deduction. One is real good, the other
 is .......... (%@#*!!@#%%#!!).




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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Spencer's finish (was: NASCAR: Charlotte Update (spoiler--oops!)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:07:22 GMT

pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
[... good summary of race omitted ...]
>	Third was Kyle Petty (Pontiac), who dominated the mid-portion
>of the race.  Fourth was Jimmy Spencer, driving Bobby Allison's
>TBird -- that team's best-ever showing.  
                      ^^^^^^^^^
Er, no.  With Stricklin up, Bobby's car finished second at the Miller
400 @ Michigan last year.  They've also had a couple of thirds.
However, it is the team's best finish this year.

-- 
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(cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: Another new F1 car not mentioned
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:55:46 GMT

squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes:


>-- 
>Did I miss something earlier ?
>Autocar (I think) also said that Reynard was going up a formula next year as
>well ,or is it just that Reynard IS Pacific ....

>I'm definate that Reynard has an F1 car under development ,but it could be for
>the '94 season and not '93 ????

>Could someone please clarify this ?

>thanks.....
>Stephen Quigg
>squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
>British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
>(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)

	The last info I had about Reynard's effort was that Adrian Reynard 
couldn't find the necessary financial support, so he sold the plans(designs)
of his car to Ligier. Whether or not the current Ligier JS37 bears any 
resemblance to them, I have no idea. If Reynard is planning a siege on th
F1 circus, it is news to me!!!!!!!

TOBY...

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From: rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer)
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:41:56 GMT


First, IMHO based on "observation", it seems that the "average person's"
inability to be involved in motorsports, compared to traditional sports,
has alot to do with the perceived popularity.  Most people grow up here
in the states with many opportunities to participate in traditional sports,
whether organized leagues or just "pick-up" games at the playgrounds.
Basketball, baseball, football, etc. is part of "growing up".  Amongst
my friends and coworkers, those that were heavily involved in organized
basketball as youth find basketball to be their favorite sport to
watch on TV.  Tennis, golf, etc. are all much more accessible to the
general population, on an amateur level, than auto racing.  Racing is
gaining in popularity, but it will always actually be more for the
"haves" than the "have-nots".  If one kid can afford a bat & a ball,
a whole gang can play baseball.  You've got to have some $$ available
to go quarter-midget or kart racing as a kid.  You don't need mom &
dad's support to go down to the playground & play basketball (it helps
immensely for organized sports), but you do need the family's support
to go racing.  Simply put, you can't go down to the playground & hop in
a race car.

Now, extend that thought and realize that this is tradition dating from
who-knows-when.  People grew up playing traditional sports eons ago, and
when they were older & multiplied, they took their offspring to the
_ball games, or watched them together on TV, or played with them in
the backyard.  At least now, more of that can be directed toward racing
(take them to local bullring, or big event, watch on TV, etc.).  But,
again, it'll never beat stick&ball for accessibility.  No public (or
private) school will have auto racing as a sport, although some vo-tech
type schools will build a street-stock for the local bullring.

Russ
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Keywords: Coke, Pepsi
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:10:58 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Oct8.161143.16717@spectrum.xerox.com> pjg.wbst200ul@xerox.com writes:
>
>Coke DOES sponsor a car:  Mello Yello is a Coke product.  Todd Bodine drove 
>a one time deal at Watkins Glen this year sponsored by Diet Pepsi.  It was a 
>pretty good looking car, actually...  And you can also look for the 7up decals
>on Davey Allison's car...

  One of the most interesting things about Kyles car & sponser (to me anyway)
 is that it was a result of the movie "Days of Thunder". Thats where the idea
 came from and it seems Coke fell in love with the color scheme.

>Also, they both sponsor races.  Ever hear of the CocaCola 600, the Pepsi 400, 
>the Mello Yello 500...

  Lets not forget the old Coca-Cola and Mountain Dew cars! Soda companies
 have never left, there just laying back a bit.

 -Dan
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From: vesper@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Greg Vesper - RMS)
Subject: Help Me: Synthetics - The Final Word..
Reply-To: vesper@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:23:38 GMT

What is the best oil to run in a high performance engine?
I drive a 944T and I maintain it meticulously.  I've talked with several  
mechanics who are down on synthetics.  They claim synthetics are too detergent.
I've been running non-synthetic oil from day one on this car.

But I've talked with other drivers who swear by synthetics.  I want the best  
possible engine protection regardless of cost.  Does anyone know the final word  
on synthetics?  What do they use on the racing circuits?

I want to know because I am about to install high performance chips and I want  
this engine to last.

The same question goes for synthetic transmission fluid.  My transmission is  
stiff - especially in the winter.  I've been told by some that synthetic trans  
fluid will smooth things out - I've been told by others that I'll run into  
problems after 60 miles or so.

Some definitive feedback would be helpful, preferably from someone who's torn  
some engines apart and has seen the long term effects of synthetics.

Thanks,

-Greg.

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"Now satan is a liar, and he wants to make us think,
 that we are paupers, when he knows himself we're children of the King.
 So lift up the mighty shield of faith for the battle must be won,
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From: rtw5722@zeus.tamu.edu (Ryan T. Wood)
Subject: Yokohama Tire Info.
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:52:00 GMT

I received this short message from a mailing list, and I thought that
I would send it on.  Pretty ridicules if you ask me!!

From:	SMTP%"jes@hpamsh4.ptp.hp.com"
Subject: Yokohama tires

FORWARDED:

#
#  Yokohoma Rubber Company of Tokyo is planning to recall a line of
#  its automobile tires after receiving protests from Islamic groups
#  (Washington Post, 7-25-92). Apparently, upon close observation,
#  the tread pattern of the tires resembles the Arabic word for
#  Allah. A company spokesman said they plan to stop producing the
#  tires and will recall or replace them free of charge in Islamic
#  countries. He also apologized for the company's ignorance of
#  Islam and said the treads "were designed by computer to maximize
#  driving safety and were not meant to blaspheme Allah."



Ryan T. Wood
Texas A&M Sports Car Club - Vice President
RTW5722@zeus.tamu.edu
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From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the trac
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:37:49 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

In article <9738@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> kim@unix.cc.emory.edu writes:
>In article 4136@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>
>>Boycott GM until they stop crashing animals!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Rob U, will not buy another GM until they stop using animals in tests
>
>I am interested in this.  what evidence do you have that GM is still using
>animals in crash tests?  I knew they did this in the 70's, but thought they
>had stopped long ago.

Good job, Bob.

But if you don't want to taint yourself, you better boycott Ford and
Chrysler, as well.  And don't pay you income tax, either.  Because
even though GM performs the tests, they do so a NHTSA grant.  And GM
also sells the results ot Ford and Chrysler for big bucks.

And just to keep a little bit of perspective, GM used 70 pigs during
the 80's (that's the entire decade) in crash tests.  Their reasoning
is that crash dummies *don't simulate internal injury*.  The pigs are
fully anesthetized for the tests.  The shreiking harpies don't mention
these pigs get better treatment than they do at a typical
slaughterhouse.  And, of course, everyone would realize them for the
shrieking harpies they were if they asked you to boycott
slaughterhouses.

PETA and several other organization parade out Dr. Roy Selby, a
neurologist, to comment on how valid the tests are.  Please note that
it speaks volumes that PETA could sell this load of crap to an
internalist.

So I'll just end this article with a question for Bob:  What's your
opinion on product liability?

andy
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