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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.092122.24225@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>In article <BtMoMp.I3u@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>Just how old *are* you?  All Baldwin was was one of the majority owners of
>>the Whalers, back when they were still the New England Whalers in the WHA
>>and they were sharing the Garden with the Bruins...
>
>In addition to being head of the New England Whalers (I once attended a
>game of theirs against the Toronto Toros), Howard Baldwin was also 
>president of the WHA.
>

But Baldwin was a sleazy character even back then...Bill Hunter and
Ben Haskin(I know I'm spelling his name wrong) are the two guys who
made the WHA.

Gerald
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:59:20 GMT
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Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <BtoJ63.MCG@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>
>>But Baldwin was a sleazy character even back then...Bill Hunter and
>>Ben Haskin(I know I'm spelling his name wrong) are the two guys who
>>made the WHA.
>
>Actually, Gary Davidson and Dennis Murphy are the two who got the WHA off
>the ground -- Hunter and Hatskin were two of the more stable owners in WHA
>history (which isn't saying much, considering the list of notable franchise
>holders in the WHA's seven seasons -- guys like Peter Pocklington in
>Edmonton; John Bassett in Ottawa, then Toronto, *then* Birmingham; and of
>course, Nelson Skalbania in Indianapolis) behind none other than Baldwin,
>who was the only person to own the same franchise through the WHA's short
>existence.  He was none too popular after the Whalers moved to Hartford
>after their entry into the NHL in 1979, but folks forget that his Whalers
>were the WHA's first champions in 1973...so I wouldn't say he was too sleazy
>back then.
>


The vision and inspiration for the league came from Bill Hunter.

Hunter was a bit of a snake-oil salesman, and he pitched the idea to
other snake-oil salesmen like Davidson and Murphy.  Hunter wanted to
run a team, which is why Davidson and Murphy were the front men, but
if I remember correctly, they weren't involved in the league very long.
The reason they were successful is that they did attract some really
stable solid people who did have money like the Allards, Hatskin, and
Bassett.

Hunter never had much money...he was only a minority owner in Edmonton
backed by the Allards, who eventually tired of losing money and sold
the team to Skalbania, who sold half the team to Pocklington, who
eventually bought Skalbania out.

Hunter was squeezed out in the ownership transfers...and although
his dream of NHL teams in Western Canadian cities came ultimately
to fruition, his dream of running one of the teams didn't...which
was actually turned out to be pretty good for Edmonton, because
he wasn't a very good GM.

He tried again in Saskatoon...and the Saskatoon Blues almost
existed for awhile.

Gerald
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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Heads Up: Ridley to Wear Helmet
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:49:30 GMT


In a suprise announcement, the often-daring Mike Ridley says he will 
continue to wear a helmet next year.  Ridley found that there were no soft 
spots around the boards and on the ice, and therefore will keep his hat on.
I hope Ridley didn't spend too many of Pollins dollars on his research...
Abe's not selling too many tickets this time around.

In the DC papers today, there was also some folly about married guys will 
wear their helmets while single guys won't...progressive marketing hits the 
NHL.

Warren
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ulf...
Keywords: knee surgery
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:28:15 GMT

lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>KDKA TV reported last night that Ulf Samuelsson will undergo knee surgery and
>will miss at least 4 weeks of training camp.  The report didn't say which knee
>required surgery or what type of surgery would be performed.

Perhaps his kneeing of Cam Neely and other cheapshots have taken its toll
on the Ulfster's knees. Turnabout is fair play, I guess.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: SHARKS NEWS: Petri Skriko signed
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:56:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Aug28.165608.25168
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug28.160402.8618@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>To me, this deal sounds like a sign that the Sharks' 3-headed GM job (Lombardi,
>Chuck Grillo, and George Kingston) might be having disagreements between them.
>Grillo was particularly excited earlier this week when the Sharks traded right
>winger Brian Mullen to the New York Islanders for the rights to 21-year-old
>Swedish center Markus Thuresson.  It seems like that it's quite possible that
>Lombardi didn't like the deal.

I don't get that impression at all.  At the time of the Mullen deal, one of
the three-headed GM was quoted as saying that they wanted to make the team
younger, but that they were looking for some older players, which is why
they had made the offer to Makarov.  I think that what they want to do is
to trade the older players they have to get more younger players, and sign
older role players as free agents.  If those older players are successful,
then you trade them for more younger players, and bring in other older
players as free agents. 

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Liking Fighting. (My Damphousse opinion.)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:58:52 GMT
	<1992Aug27.222625.11625@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
	<1992Aug28.032215.134@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington

In article <1992Aug28.032215.134@tamsun.tamu.edu> 
mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         ) writes:

>
>
> Watch Lacrosse if you want to see idiotic, talentless fools beating each
> other.  Major Indoor Lacrosse is only a hair better than boxing, a thoroughly
> despicable sport.

How can you say boxing is a thoroughly despicable sport?

Why, without boxing, great champions like Mike Tyson would probably
be rotting in prison.  Er....

Re: Damphousse trade.  I think Edmonton may have gotten the better
deal but I think its close.  I saw a good bit of Edmonton in the
playoffs and thought VD shined.


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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fickle Edmonton Fans (Attendance report)
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

Since the debate has started as to why attendance is down, I thought I'd re-
post the 1991-92 Attendance report.  

At this time, I would also like the team contacts to review the arena
capacity figure for their team.  If there have been any changes, please e-mail
me or post me.  Also, Would the Tampa (Tom) and Ottawa (?) team reps please
let me know the arena name and capacity for their teams, I would appreciate
it.

Thanks,

Stan Willis
net contact: L.A. Kings
           : NHL Attendance stats


                        *** NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE ***
                                 91-92 SEASON

                          HOME ATTENDANCE REPORT #02

S/O indicates the number of sell-outs. % indicates the percentage of seats sold.

     Arena   Regular Season Ttls  Playoff Totals.....   Final Season Totals....
Team Capcty  Atndnce S/O  Avrage  Atndnce S/O  Avrage   Atndnce S/O  Avrage   %
===============================================================================
BOS  14,448  565,051  18  14,126  111,927   5  13,990   676,978  23  14,103  97
BUF  16,325  615,668  16  15,391   44,069   1  14,689   659,737  17  15,342  93
CAL  20,133  788,760  17  19,719        0   0           788,760  17  19,719  97
CHI  17,317  710,552  40  17,763  160,447   7  17,827   870,999  47  17,775 102
DET  19,275  788,320  40  19,708  118,973   6  19,828   907,293  46  19,723 102
EDM  17,313  647,140   7  16,178  133,513   4  16,689   780,653  11  16,263  93
HAR  15,635  435,386   2  10,884   25,061   0   8,353   460,447   2  10,708  68
LA   16,005  640,200  40  16,005   48,015   3  16,005   688,215  43  16,005 100
MIN  15,274  538,852   8  13,471   41,739   1  13,913   580,591   9  13,502  88
MON  16,197  680,193  36  17,004  101,230   6  16,871   781,423  42  16,987 104
NJ   19,040  516,670   5  12,916   57,120   3  19,040   573,790   8  13,343  70
NYI  16,297  401,554   4  10,038        0   0           401,554   4  10,038  61
NYR  17,529  673,776  18  16,844  126,944   7  18,134   800,720  25  17,036  97
PHI  17,380  673,119  11  16,827        0   0           673,119  11  16,827  96
PIT  16,164  641,207  32  16,030  161,640  10  16,164   802,847  42  16,056  99
QUE  15,399  559,182   3  13,979        0   0           559,182   3  13,979  90
SJ   10,888  435,520  40  10,888        0   0           435,520  40  10,888 100
STL  17,188  700,727  29  17,518   51,804   1  17,268   752,531  30  17,500 101
TOR  15,642  620,968  30  15,524        0   0           620,968  30  15,524  99
VAN  16,123  631,227  26  15,780  112,861   7  16,123   744,088  33  15,831  98
WAS  18,130  663,591  12  16,589   69,546   0  17,386   733,137  12  16,662  91
WIN  15,393  519,612   5  12,990   43,902   1  14,634   563,514   6  13,104  85
 
          13,447,275 439        1,408,791  62        14,856,066 501        
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:15:03 GMT

dnewell@goethe.helios.nd.edu (devin newell) writes:

>Hats off the the NHL for it's revised helmet rule.  I think that this will go
>a long way in improving the quality of play in the league. -- How can one rule
>change make such a difference?-- Simple - when the helmets come off the sticks
>go down and the emphasis changes from stickwork meaning a type of crude facial
>surgery to a method of scoring.

I find it very difficult to understand this kind of opinion. If the stickwork
is reduced by this new rule (which I seriously doubt), the consequences
of it will get worse.

Hockey doesn't really need new rules, but the old rules should be better
enforced.

>With the helmets off players will learn to respect the weapon/scoring tool
>in their hands. A player will willingly learn to keep his stick down
>partly out of respect for his oposition, but mostly because his own scalp is 
>now exposed.  

You're guilty of wishful thinking if you seriously believe in the kind of
effect you mention here. Do you think players without helmets will be
treated more gently than the ones wearing helmets? Is there any evidence
that this has happened in the past?

Hockey players 'cover their personality' when wearing helmets and giving
them up a player stands a better chance of becoming a favorite among
the public. It's hard to distinguish between two players wearing helmets
if you can't see their number (unless the other one is Jaromir Jagr with
his long hair). 

NHL leaders probably hope that the new rule will add more colorful 
personalities to the game.

BTW, does anybody know how many severe head injuries there used to be
before helmets became compulsory?

Janne Kivela"
From: dreier@beirut.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The state of the Adams address
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:05:52
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
	<1992Sep3.203812.3135@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
	<92248.110804IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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In-reply-to: IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU's message of 4 Sep 92 15:08:03 GMT

In article <92248.110804IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM) writes:
   Well I'm not so certain. IMO I believe that at this point the Bruins do
   indeed have depth.  You could see it last year, the only problem was they
   were all rookies from the olympics.  I think that Sinden doesn't need to
   do a thing for the first time in a few years, there are various rumors
   of trades (Hodge for Darin Kimble) but I don't think that they will
   impact the team (unless one of them ends up being like the pederson for
   Neely and Wesley deals) The bruins now have depth and they now have three
   solid (AND I MEAN SOLID) lines.  Between Neely, Oates, Ruzika, Murry,
   Junaeu(how the hell do you spell that anyway...), Heize, and Donato,
   Poulin, and Ashton.  Any line with these guys is sure to give problems
   to nearly any team in the NHL.  I don't no but I certainly won't be
   surprised to see the Rangers with the Patrick, destroy Pittsburgh, in
   the division finals and a good matchup between Rangers and Bruins.  What
   will happen then is anybody's guess.....


					     Patrick Ellis

The Bruins may have depth. But they have virtually no size. Bourque is
their only true superstar. Ruzicka is too much of a pussy; hit him
once and the game is over for him. Neely's health is questionable.
Oates is one of the better centers in the league but was clearly
outplayed in the playoffs by true superstars like LaFontaine and
Lemieux.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bruins bow out of the playoffs
early next year.  Call me crazy but I think that the Nords will have a
very strong team next year. Also, I think that the top Sabre line of
LaFontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk is one of the top three lines in
hockey (the other two are Lemieux, Tocchet and Stevens, and Sakic,
Nolan and Kamensky). If either of those teams can get it together
mentally, they should blow out the Bruins in the playoffs.  And I will
be shocked if the Patrick champs lose to the Bruins in the playoffs;
the Rangers and Penguins, at least are tough, experienced, and MUCH
more talented than the Bruins. Witness what happened in the '92
playoffs.  Notice that the Bruins have an 8 game playoff losing streak
to Patrick division teams.  In any case, I think that if Bourque
hadn't taken Mogilny out with a leg check in game 1 of the Adams
division semis, the Bruins would never have gotten past the Sabres
(sound familiar, Bruins fans?)

Roland
dreier@math.berkeley.edu

PS Save this article so you can feed it back to me when Bourque is
skating around with the cup in 9 months.

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Roland Dreier                                        dreier@math.berkeley.edu
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Gary L. Newell) writes:
>(Janne Kivel{) writes:
>> BTW, does anybody know how many severe head injuries there used to be
>> before helmets became compulsory?
>
>I think the key here is how many that were due to fighting, slashing, high 
>sticking etc.  I can think of three severe head injuries dating back to the
>time I began watching hockey - needless to say all 3 are Bruin related.

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I think the main impetus for the helmet
rule was the death of Bill Masterson (sp? Masterton?) from a head injury
that was not fighting or stick related.

Masterson, of the North Stars, I believe in the initial expansion
67-68 season, hit his head on the ice, and died some time later.  People
generally agreed that a helmet would have lessened the severity of the 
injury, and the move to helmets was on.  The Masterson Trophy was created
to honor his memory. This is from memory, so feel free to make factual
corrections.

I'm not saying this is the only reason for the helmet rule, but it weighed
heavily in getting the players to accept the rule.  The point being that
even if stick and fight related injuries did not occur, any and every player
was a risk of a random severe or fatal injury from other sources.  Think
back to the number of head-first-into-the-boards incidents you have seen
players get up and skate away from, or at worst be stunned, and you'll
get an idea of it from the players' point of view.  Again, I think we'll
see helmets going off and on all season, but I don't see a helmetless
NHL in the future.  Of course, smarts and machismo sometimes seem to be
on opposite ends of the scale, and if enough "real men" go helmetless
(as opposed to "pretty boys"), there will be a good deal of peer pressure
to do likewise.

Matt
From: rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rob Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: INFO NEEDED ON COMPANY!!!!!(important)
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:18:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hey there--
	I was wondering if anyone out there has had any interaction with
a company called Pro Sports Cut, out of Boston, MASS.  I ordered a jersey
from them back in February and have had several problems...omitting all of
the hassle, the gist of the whole situation is that they have not responded
to the Better Business Bureau, and I dont have a jersey.  Im am about one
step away from taking legal action, but before I do, I wanted to know if
anyone at all has had ANY experience, good or bad, with this company. Im
curious to know exactly how this company operates, before I destroy their
reputation, credibility, and send them down in flames... (you guessed it,
I am quite angry)....any (and all) responses, help, info is greatly 
appreciated, and can be either posted here, or e-mailed to me directly at

rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Thanks for the time, and if anyone is out there who works for this company,
give me a little sympathy, will you?  Im a poor college student who is now
out $175 for a damn jersey which you wont send to me....


>>>>>>------------------------------->Rob Harris
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ladies and Gentlemen,we have a TV deal..finally!
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:04:32 GMT
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Organization: HMS

Very late last night(my wire copy has a time of 11:46pm)the NHL fools
finally confirmed a contract  with ESPN for 25 regular season and 37
post season games to be televised in the United States of America.

Length of the Deal : 5 years.
Cost to ESPN       : $15 million a year
Number of  Viewers : 61.4 US homes
Blackout rule      : If a local team is featured on ESPN, another backup
                     NHL game will be shown instead and the local broadcaster
                     will enjoy a full exclusivity.
First ESPN game    : October 6th,Flyers vs. Pens
Rest of TV schedule: Not set. The agreement came in too late for teams to
                     adjust. A weekly telecast is planned over the 27-week
                     regular season. Baseball's buys spring schedule on
                     ESPN will be adjusted for the NHL playoffs.

Reson for the Delay of the Announcement of the Deal : SportsChannel
disputing the ESPN-NHL's agreement because it wasn't given a chance to
match the offer

ABC is not necessarily a shoe-in to televise the 6 network games and
that arrangement is still being sought with CBS or NBC. NBC will indeed
carry the All-Star Game again in February.

-Mark
From: gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Barasso sings/Pens news
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:35:24 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Tom  Barasso has signed a multiyear contract worth approximately $1.3
million a year.  The signing will announced Thursday at a Pens Press
conference.

Eddie Johnson will also be named the new assistant coach sometime during
the week.  

The Pens will also annouce the signing of free agent centerand former
Capital Dave Tippet on Monday.  Martin Straka should be in camp and the
team as fourth center.  The Pens continue talks with Phil Bourque and
Joey Mullen.  Talks about a lifetime contract with Mario Lemiuex are
apparently going well. 
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From: maherali@fraser.sfu.ca (Riyadh Maherali)
Subject: Re: Le Febvre (sp) a Leaf??
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:23:10 GMT

Take this from a Habs fan, the only good thing about Lefebvre other than his
cool name is that he comes from a solid Canadiens instilled defensive attitude
by where he won't make a dangerous pass up through the middle of the rink. 
Twice last year he was benched, the second time for a period longer than a
month, which is when Patrice Brisebois came on the scene.  The reason Burns 
sighted for benching Lefebvre was his inagressiveness infront of his own end of
the rink and especially infront of his own net.  Being benched for this reason
on the team with the least agressive defencemen in the league can't be to good.
There is a misconception about how great the Habs 'D' really is.  They are by
far the smallest defensive core in the league, and I'm talking about stacked up
against the main four defencemen on other teams in the league.  They are
however, good for not making foolish plays around the net, and in a scramble
they are good at reaching for the puck and clearing it, with they're longer
sticks, which also help tipping or blocking shots so that Roy will not have to
face as many shots, although it does sometimes backfire.  The excellent 'D' is
created by the forwards always backchecking and thereby not leaving an open
man in the defensive zone.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:39:30 GMT

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>
>My thoughts, I like the instigating and the 4-on-4 rules but severely
>doubt that refs will call many instigating penalties as a result.

Since there was no mention of additional powers being given to linemen
nor a second referee (or even a deputy referee to replace one lineman),
the usual controversies of inconsistent enforcement will still be with
us.

gld
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