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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:08:10 EST
From:         Karl Bellve <KBELLVE@UMAB.BITNET>
Subject:      Image Processing

I finally have my image processing computer together in my lab. Boy, is it
great sitting in front of my A3000tower. Everyone is impressed in the lab.
Image Master is great, just a little buggy. Forced Dynamic range is extremely
usefull. I do have a question, does anyone know how to convert RGB values into
wavelength? I would like to plot these values. The resolver Board is great.
The IDEk monitor is also good but not very bright.

Karl Bellve Graduate Student
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:02:00 EDT
From:         BARNETTJ@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      A500 to video

Rather than using a genlock...how about video output from the RGB to RF
converter which comes with some A500s to the back of a VCR.  If one
is out to overlay graphics, wouldn't this be sufficent?  (ie. $30 vs $300.)
From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga [Postmaster])
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Quoted from <CD70389F82DF00325C@snypotva.bitnet> by         "The Large Guy with Buckwheat's Hair." <LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA.BITNET>:
> Date sent:
> In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:49:14 GMT
> 
> >While, I have been around for a while, this type of compression still baffles
> >me.  Which program should I use to decompress these files, and where might I
> >find it ?  Any and all help is appreciated.
> >
> >  Tom DeFlavees - The Eternal Graduate Student......at this rate anyway!!!
> >
> >  td06@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
> 
> I believe you are looking for TAR.  I do believe that there are Amiga versions
> as well as UNIX versions out there.  I also have had trouble with the .Z and
> have not yet decompressed any of them.  So, if this works PLEASE.... <----- I
> can't emphasize this enough, let me know.  Thanks.
> 
> The BIG guy,
> Nyle

	The .Z extension is not tar-ed it is compressed with none
other than the UNIX compress.  To uncompress it you use a command
called 'uncompress' oddly enough.  You can find Compress and
Uncompress on either a Fish Disk or in the Amiga UUCP Package.

Carlos
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:31:41 CST
From:         "(Michael Hardy 6-93)" <hardymic@MAINRT.LUTHER.UNI.EDU>

I've got an A2000 and am in desperate need of a HD.  I
just can't deal with the speed of floppys anymore!!  But,
I'm broke...is there any such thing as cheap and/or used
HD's and controllers??

                     -Mike

PS. Mark, tried the addresses, and combinations of them,
    still no luck....


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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:28:00 EDT
From:         Ronald Lovell <CNLOVELL%CSCACS@VSCNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: disk quota question.

Diskquota is based on file ownership.  The SHOW QUOTA command returns
the total blocks used by all the files you own on the device, not just your
default directory.  There are other reasons for quota-dir/size/grand
discrepancies: orphaned files (parent directory file deleted), quota file entry
was deleted and re-added, partially corrupt quota file, hardware device
(analyze/media) problems.  These are the kinds of problems that are generally
out of the ordinary (we hope!).

I do, on occasion, have users with DIR/SIZE=ALL/GRAND much less than
SHOW QUOTA.  Rebuilding the quota file (SYSMAN> DISKQUOTA REBUILD)
sometimes helps but, I do not recommend using it.  Also try
ANALZYE/MEDIA/CONFIRM/READ_CHECK (off the top of my head - you can check the
docs) for device problems.  Make sure the device is unavailable to Joe User
(MOUNT/NOSYSTEM).  Good luck!
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:44:10 -0500
From:         Garen Tchopourian <ACCGAT@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      disk quota question.

Hello,

  While I was trying to write a program that compresses the mail and checks the
disk quota to see if enough space exists, I noticed that when you do  $ SHOW
QUOTA, the used blocks that are shown are slighlty more than the blocks
allocated when you do $ DIR/SIZE=ALL/GRAND [...]. Does anyone know have any
explanation or noticed this before?

 Also, which Lexical Function (if any) returns the number of blocks used ?

 Please respond by e-mail if subject been discussed before.
Thanks.

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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:44:00 EST
From:         John Shea <SHEA@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Creating a listserver...

        So who's going to be the first one to throw some code out there to
play with?  C?  Macro?  Who 'owns' this project?  How many people are on
the list?  I've been waiting.

                        John
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:04:00 N
From:         Zouari Mourad <ZOUARI@TNEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      vms question.

Hello,
 I would like to know how to remove a command from dcltables.
this test don't work:
$set command/remove=ftp/table=sys$library:dcltables/output=dcltables2
now it is ok this command create a new dcltable. after I change the
authorization file with this command.
$r authorize
auth> modify username/dcltables=dcltables2
After when we enter an error message appear :
can't activate interpreter

Can you help please ?
I wait your answers.

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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:34:02 -0400
From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: vms question.

(1) this message does not seem to have anything to do with creating a listserver
   .
WHJyh not use the INFO vax list, thats whats its for
(2) try installing your new command table.
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From: 15942@brahms.udel.edu (Stephen Barr)
Subject: Re: Bellarmine on Galileo
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:33:23 GMT

   I could be flippant about this and ask whether
we should all commit adultery and then kill
ourselves to see if we go to Hell. Some experiments
are dangerous! 
   More seriously: There is an analogy -- though
not exact -- between theology and physical science.
The latter appeal to 'data' -- that is 'things given".
Given by what? By experiment. The former appeals
to the 'data of revelation'. Some liberals ask 
whether it is not an abandonment of our reason to
submit to authority, or to accept doctrines which
are difficult to understand or to reconcile with
other things we know. The answer is that scientists
do that all the time. There is no appeal from an
experimental fact, it has an authority as great as
any Pope has ever claimed! As a theorist (you are
right there, I am one) I may not like what the
experiment said. I may not see how to reconcile it
with current theory. But I have to accept it however
strange and anomalous it seems. Of course experiments
can be wrong. I won't go into that now. But the faith
as I have argued before is the Faith of the Church.
The Church is true to the Faith by a connatural 
knowledge of it. The electron is true to the laws
of Physics by nature. If I want to know what an 
electron will do I must ultimately ask not theorists
but the electron. If I want to know about the Faith
ultimately I will ask the Church (ie. the magisterium)
not the theorists. 
    Back to flippancy: the experiment on women priests
is being done in the Anglican Churches. *I* don't
like the results. But of course the experiment is
not properly controlled. There are also the mainline
Protestant churches that ordain women. They are clearly
dying. The evangelicals who don't? They thrive.
Steve.
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From: 15942@brahms.udel.edu (Stephen Barr)
Subject: Re: Early Christian Church
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:33:44 GMT

    If you are really interested in the first 100 
years, ie. ca.30AD to 130 AD, the best source is
the New Testament. Our other information about
the Church in that era is very sketchy. The most
important authentic Christian writings from the 
period you mention other than the New Testament
include (a) the Letters of Clement of Rome to the
Corinthians, (b) the epistles of Ignatius of
Antioch, (c) the Didache, (d) the Letter of
Barnabus, (e) the martyrdom of St, Polycarp.
One can find these collected in various places.
eg. there is a Penguin paperback called "Early
Christian writings". Though sketchy, these documents
do tell a lot. eg One finds very strong statements
regarding the authority of bishops in the Ignatian
epistles, the Eucharist as sacrifice very clearly
taught in several of these writings. Steve.
Abortion is clearly condemned in the Didache,
which gives some idea of the moral teachings
of the Church at that time. Steve.
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:50:43 -0500
From:         URSIC@ALF.CS.HH.AB.COM
Subject:      Re: Bellarmine on Galileo

John Peace writes:
>The character is 'being called by God'.

So God will never deem it time to call a woman to the priesthood? You don't
seriously believe this, do you? Of course, you seem to remember being
in your mother's womb and suckling her breast, I don't remember these
events in my life, I might have been bottle fed by my father, and maybe
that would explain my confusion on what simply must be the correct role
model a particular sex of parent must have:-) -J.J.
From: tillman@SWDEV.SI.COM (Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support,
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Date: 6 Nov 92 22:01:34 GMT
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Ted Schuerzinger (zed@Dartmouth.EDU) writes:

>What should I do in this situation?  Feel free to pray that I do the
>right thing.

The "right" thing to do is to let your father decide for himself.  He's a big
boy now and has had lots of experience taking care of himself.  He had to decide
*on his own* that he wishes to seek annulment or divorce.

Frankly, you have no evidence that he does not find the arrangement to his
liking.  Yes, it bothers *you*, but *he's* the one married to her.  Try to keep
your own feelings of discomfort from clouding the issue.

Personally, my wife handles a *lot* (all?) of the machinery of keeping the
family functioning.  By having this responsibility, she also has the "right" to
dictate how things will go.  I can't just jump in and say, "I'm sorry, but
you're bossing me around and I won't do it."  I can, however, negotiate for
changes to things I don't like.  I suspect your father could too, *if he so
chooses.*

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Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 17:15:35 EST
From: Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: Bellarmine on Galileo

In article <921109155043.3f209a78@ALF.CS.HH.AB.COM>, URSIC@ALF.CS.HH.AB.COM
says:
>
>John Peace writes:
>>The character is 'being called by God'.
>
>So God will never deem it time to call a woman to the priesthood? You don't
>seriously believe this, do you?
<<Stuff deleted.>>

Why do you assume time has anything to do with it?

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:50:59 -0500
From:         Amanda Walker <amanda@INTERCON.COM>
Subject:      Re: Nature of List--Fossil

stabosz@chopin.udel.edu (Rae Stabosz) writes:
> I don't see the saints.  If this is a re-energized, lively Church with
> people bursting out with the power of the Spirit, I want to see some
> saints.  Really.  Saints like Teresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna,
> Francis of Assisi, Therese of Lisieux, Thomas Aquinas, Dominic, Louis de
> Montfort... I want to see real, living, holy men and women whose lives
> don't just transform a few -- those whose political or social or
> economic or theological views are compatible -- but saints whose lives
> are transformational for Catholic and non-Catholics alike,
> drawing them towards the joy of the gospel, urging them to die to
> self and follow Jesus.

One problem with this approach is that often, saints (including some you
mention above) are not recongized as such in their own time.  Saints are
generally recognized post facto, not during their own lifetimes.  And so, one
would expect that any saints alive today are not recognized by the Church.

That being said, I do think that there are a great many people in the Church
today who do indeed live lives of transformation, crossing sectarian
boundaries in their demonstration of living in Christ.  Whether any of them
are saints remains to be seen, but they are certainly exemplars of the
vitality of the Church.  As examples, consider Thomas Merton, Teilhard de
Chardin, Mother Teresa, the Catholics and Orthodox who kept their faith alive
behind the Iron Curtain and whose names are only now becoming known in the
west, the people of Denmark who managed to evacuate the Danish Jewish
population in 1943 just before the Germans blockaded the country, and so on.

> but saints light up the sky in a way that I don't, in a way
> that I don't see around me in this Church that has changed with the
> times.

"Light up the sky?"  If you had looked at St. Teresa during her life, you
wouldn't have seen a "lit up sky."  You would have seen a struggling nun (and
later, abbess) plagued with doubts and often condemned by her contemporaries.
Saints genuinely are people like you and me--their sainthood springs from
their lives and deaths, not from any difference in nature.

The Lord works through people just as much today as He ever has.  Just
because you don't see it happening on the evening news doesn't mean it isn't
happening.


Peace,

Amanda Walker
From: ABDWINIG@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Brent Winiger)
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:24:16 -0700 WERLING said:
>I know I have tons to respond to, but something was said to me that I have
>to followup on.
>
>Got a personal letter from someone telling me I seem to be on this list to
>flame Christianity and that my mode of conversation is out of line in this
>forum (my questioning God's existence or the validity of the notion of
>sin).  Only this one person has told me this, but it would be dishonest
>and foolish of me to continue unless I check it out with the rest of you.
>
>
When I first got interested in this list, I remember it being said that this
was supposed to be a list where Catholics could kick back & have pleasant
discussions & avoid some of the haggling that went on in other lists.  The list
 doesn't appear to have exactly turned out that way.  It seems people who call
themselves Catholic often disagree with one another.  I think we've all seen
that there appear to be two distinct camps of Catholics on this list.
Perhaps that is because these are the people who feel most strongly about their
respective positions.  Lately it does seem we've seen more Agnostics and
non-Catholics who appear to want flame Christians or just Catholics. It
probably aggravates many members, but it also provides an opportunity to share
our faith, and correct misconceptions about our faith that would otherwise not
be discussed.
   As to you Andrew, specifically, I welcome the opportunity to listen to your
concerns about the Catholic religion and Christianity in general as long as the
discussions remain non-flame oriented, and as long as you give us a fair
chance to explain why we believe what we believe.  I can't speak for anyone
else Andrew, but I believe your questions have been fair for the most part.

   I'm a firm believer that we Catholics have a duty to witness to
non-Catholics.  I think this forum represents a unique way to reach people who
otherwise would not hear anything like these discussions and who are genuinely
searching for truth.  I'd like to know how the other members feel about this.

Brent
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Brent,
Yes and no, I think. The same action performed by two persons may be sinful
for one but not the other, not _all_ actions, obviously, but some. As far
as God's absolute rules for us, I see only two, love Him and love them.
Listing sins is one of mans' pastimes:-) -J.J.
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From:         WERLING <awerling@NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Homosexuality

I'm catching up now from mail since Tuesday!  Finally...

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992, Jim McIntosh wrote:

> Isn't it funny  how the same topics keep reoccuring  over and over again?
> Let's see, homosexuality, that must mean women's ordination is next. :-)

Sorry to have brought up old turf...hopefully some new things will come of
it for some people.

> On a relative scale, I would propose that any possible sin committed by a
> loving couple, albeit one composed of two people of the same sex, is
> probably pretty far down the list of sins.

I just can't imagine how any act of love could be a sin.

> Lastly, I think we should remember that Jesus asked us not to judge
> others. His warning that we should refrain from trying to get the
> splinter out of someone else's eye, while we had a beam in our own, were
> wise words. God, not us, should be the one to judge others. We have
> enough of our own sins to keep us busy for quite some time.

Thanks for an insightful and mature response...

Happyfag!  Andrew Werling on Planet Yip  awerling@nmsu.edu  yip@acca.nmsu.edu
From: djo7613@hardy.u.washington.edu (Dick O'Connor)
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Subject: Where is the renewal???
Keywords: renewal, Vatican II, empty pews
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:58:18 GMT
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How about a perspective from the Pacific Northwest, where the Church is
largely (by my Chicago-area family, at least! :) thought to have abandoned
true Catholicism long ago?  <grin>  (I wouldn't be posting if I believed that!)

Our parish (located in the state capital) serves 2700 families, half of whom
are "somewhat" regularly involved in liturgical celebrations, the parish
elementary school, or Religious Education classes.  The only other nearby
parish serves 1800 families.  We have a church that can seat 800 people, 
and the three Sunday morning Masses are standing room only most Sundays
of the year.  There are also two Sunday Masses at our satellite facilities
(one a Lutheran Church, bless them, and one a high school auditorium) and a
Saturday evening Mass.  People are still coming to church, and are still    
getting involved in a whole host of ministries from visiting shut-ins to 
"social action" groups.  We only have two priests, so if the laity want
something to happen, they *have* to get involved.  Maybe empty pews are
a regional thing.

I agree completely with the need expressed in a previous posting for quiet
reflective time in Church.  That's why our building is left open all day long.
That is *not* why we gather on Sunday morning...the regular Sunday Liturgical
celebration ("Mass") exists to bring the scattered members of the community
together to share, to become re-inspired, to sing, to pray, to WORSHIP as
a *community*, much as the 12 did 2000 years ago.  We don't celebrate the
community, we celebrate the mystery of the Eucharist, the Love of God, the
presence of Christ in the very gathering itself.  This isn't flaky new-age
interpretation of the "Mass", folks, this all started with Vatican II.  I'm
not a liturgical expert, but my wife has spent 15 years as a choir director
here, and has struggled to keep up with her musical and liturgical education
along the way.  I pick up the salient points mostly through osmosis, but I
really believe such celebration and Church "life" are God's plan for
Catholics today.  And I'd love to hear more from other parts of the country/
world on the empty pew phenomenon.  Now it *is* true that most people seem
to attend with empty *wallets*, but that's another story..  :)  Peace.

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