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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:53:21 EST
From:         Steve Joyce <sjoyce@VNET.IBM.COM>

> Do you have anything to do with the PWSCS 'flavor' of CPI-C?  We are
> going to implement the new VM version of DFDSM (the follow-on of
> Workstation Data Save) as soon as it goes GA.  We anticipate putting
> over 600 copies of PWSCS on DOS and Windows workstations.  We thought
> we were going to have to by another OS/2 machine with a 370 channel
> card to connect to ISFC in VM/ESA.  But we just noticed that LANRES R2
> (which we have running on one channel attached PS/2 Model 95), provides
> some kind of PWSCS domain controller function.  We would like NOT to
> have to channel attach another PS/2.  We are excited about the
> possibilities of having PWSCS on ALL our DOS & Windows workstations.
> The push to go client/server is getting strong.

I understand the IBM PWSCS guys sent Brent an answer directly but here
was their short version:

It will work for Windows workstations by using IPX to connect to the
NetWare domain controller.  They will need an intermediate OS/2
domain controller for DOS workstations in order to perform the
protocol conversion from 802.2 to IPX.

Hope it helps,
Steve Joyce
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:16:52 EST
From:         Steve Joyce <sjoyce@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      APPC with Netware for SAA with or without Windows

> How can I use APPC with NW4SAA communicating with 2 CICS systems?
> Both CICS systems are on IBM mainframes (surprise, surprise)
> connected through VTAM.  What software is necessary on both ends to
> allow this?  I'm interested in both driving applications that are
> heavily coded as 3270 applications (you know, big monolithic type
> apps) and more peer-to-peer stuff.  Am I asking the right questions?
> Am I in the right world?


Netware for SAA allows Novell servers to communicate using 3270
and APPC.  To use it, you need three things:

  - Netware for SAA at the server
  - Their client code as each machine. I forget its name.
    It is something like Netware 3270 for DOS (or Windows)
  - CICS (sounds like you already have it)

The only problem you may have is whether or not you can talk to
multiple systems at once for the 3270 support.  There is an
architecture called Physical Unit 2.0 (PU2.0).  Some gateways only
support on PU at a time.  This means only one link a host system.  You
can run lots of sessions with lots of applications, but only to one
host system.  To attach to different hosts on different networks at
once, you need a gateway that supports multiple PU2.0 sessions.  I
don't know if Novell does this or not.

Won't it be nice once we get beyond 3270 and on to APPC. It
doesn't have any of these limitations.

- Steve Joyce
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:04:13 EST
From:         Steve Joyce <sjoyce@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      APPC with Netware for SAA with or without Windows

> We have all this.  We have asked NOVELL several times (at several
> levels-starting with our platinum dealer) what tools they have to
> implement APPC.  The answer was always palms up.  I'm looking for
> product numbers so I can ask specific questions.

Sorry. I don't have the Novell part numbers. I will be at Networld
in Boston this week. I will stop by the Novell booth and grab some
product info. Until then, I have dug up the REAL product names
and the IBM part numbers for them. I know that won't help much
when talking to Novell. More when I return.

                                                    IBM Part
  Product Name                                       Number
  =============================================     =======
  NetWare for SAA v1.2/16 Sessions                  32G6118
  NetWare for SAA V1.2/254 Sessions                 32G6123
  3270 LAN Workstation for DOS                      33F9406
  3270 LAN Workstation for Macintosh / Server       33F9410
  3270 LAN Workstation for Windows v1.0/ Server     32G5430

- Steve Joyce
  IBM APPC Market Enablement
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:34:47 EST
From:         Steve Joyce <sjoyce@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      PWSCS question from Brent Stilley

I don't know much about PWSCS. I put your question on an IBM forum.
When I get an answer, I will post it here. The bad news is that
I will be at Networld next week and won't be able to get to a terminal.
Sorry for the delay.

Steve Joyce
APPC Market Enablement
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:40:14 CST
From:         Joe Moore <CC19@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      APPC with Netware for SAA with or without Windows

> Netware for SAA allows Novell servers to communicate using 3270
> and APPC.  To use it, you need three things:
>
>   - Netware for SAA at the server
>   - Their client code as each machine. I forget its name.
>     It is something like Netware 3270 for DOS (or Windows)
>   - CICS (sounds like you already have it)
>
We have all this.  We have asked NOVELL several times (at several
levels-starting with our platinum dealer) what tools they have to
implement APPC.  The answer was always palms up.  I'm looking for
product numbers so I can ask specific questions.

Joe Moore
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:31:58 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: Re: Environmental problem

Thanks Oliver,

Its time someone needed to point out that Americans would like more
population control elsewhere so they could consume more of the
resources of the world.....  If it was a fair world, and if the UN was not
the arm of Amerika, and there was a worl "utility" corporation charging
setting rates for using of natural resources, Amerika would be paying a
lot more into the UN than it does.....and we claim its aid....

zahir
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:22:19 -0400
From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Energy Use, Population Growth, The future

-----She/He/They Said ----
->
->6.  If any of the above is true, it might appear that one
->    of the consequences of the transformation of a society
->    from a rural, agricultural base to an urban
->    industrial one is the substitution of fossil based
->    energy sources for human beings to accomplish some
->    of the less desirable tasks of keeping the species
->    alive, (e.g. growing food).
->
->
->Dave Nasatir
->nasatir@dhvx20.csudh.edu

Industrialization is not the only trigger in this trend toward enhanced fossil
fuel use. There appears to be a a relationship between fossil fuel consumptions
and the adoption of 'modernized' attitudes and practices, such that even where
subsistence activities have not changed considerably, fossil fuel use has
increased in the pursuit of modern 'convenience' as an adjunct to traditional
support activities.

Western Samoa cannot be described as industrialized - between 80 and 90% of
the people still engage in subsistence agriculture using non-fossil fuels. The
motive for the fossilization of energy use here has been the acquisition of
modern conveniences - light, home appliances, communication - and not
industrialization.

What is most troubling about WS is that fossil consumption occurs in an
economic milieu which cannot generate capital resources for more
environmentally responsible management of fossil use. The Samoans then end
up between a rock and a hard place - demanding modern services as part of their
modernized definition of themselves but not being able to sustain long term
fossil fuel use in what is a tiny and rather precariously balanced
eco-nich

Because their food producing environment has always been over productive,
Samoans have a poorly developed notion of conservation and of pollution and
so ideas of preservation  and safe consumption are a real hard sell here.


Food for thought indeed.

Dougl,           *
The           .
Southern       *   *
Cross            *

AKA

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:53:04 -0500
From:         Joyce Neu <ccjn@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

Maybe just "New World Disorder" or The New Frontier Revisited.  There are
more wars going on now than thhere have been since the 17th century--they
are "just" civil wars rather than international wars.  And these are
cropping up as fast as ants at a picnic because of the dissolution of the
world polarity that existed with the US-USSR maintaining their "friends".
At any rate, since it was Bush who coined the phrase (right?) and since a
word in the hand is better than three in the Bush ('scuse these lousy
puns, proverbs, whatever they are), I'd rather call this epoch something
entirely different that is more reflective of what's really happening.Any
suggestions?  "The Age of Nationalism"  Whatever it is, it isn't "order"
and it isn't traditional...

Joyce
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:19:57 CST
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From:         Richard Chowning <chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      RE:Iraq revisited...

In Message Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:52:03 -0500,
  AHMED%DAYTON.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU writes:

>I thought the U.S. followed by the UN teams had destroyed all or
>most of the weapons that Iraq has.....

That is what the hipe said.  Our sophistication, it seems, is not so
sophisitcated.  This is surely to be picked up on by the media soon.  There
seems to be a huge whole here, or also very possible, a lot is being made of
just a very few weapons.

>So, where is the Pentagon and our satelites finding all these missiles
>that are now once again a threat......I thought Desert Storm and
>the subsequent UN missions to destroy all militiary weapons had
>been very succesful!

You can be they will tout this operation, which so far is treats and some
movement of ships, as a great success as well.  Our military has learned how
to keep itself in business.  The media people in their ranks are smarter
than ever before.  The financiers are intelligent as well.  Their has to be
action to justify the huge budget.... so action has to be fabricated.

--- Chelagoi
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Chelagoi               alias                         Richard Chowning

chowning@acuvax.acu.edu                  Abilene Christian University
chowning@acuvax.bitnet                                 Abilene, Texas
rchowning@igc.org                               Voice: (915) 674-3754
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:17:21 CST
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From:         Richard Chowning <chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      Environment

>Chelagoi,
>Capitalism and self sacrifice are incompatible.....We will never make the
>lifestyle changes but we can atleast be glad that American people insist
>that they be shielded from tragedies around the world...for when they
>become so tragic and beyond hiding, the bandaids come rolling in.....
>
>zahir

Bandaids is correct.  My idealism or revolutionary spirit will not let me
believe that it is not worth trying to turn things around.  We cannot
continue to only care about ourselves.  It kills our humanity.  It will kill
us.  We must care, even if it means changing.... However, Zahir, I think you
are correct that most Northerners will not make the necessary adjustments,
they and the gatekeepers of media, will shield us from the reality of
suffering in other places.

--- Chelagoi
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Chelagoi               alias                         Richard Chowning

chowning@acuvax.acu.edu                  Abilene Christian University
chowning@acuvax.bitnet                                 Abilene, Texas
rchowning@igc.org                               Voice: (915) 674-3754
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:30:41 -0600
From:         Thomas Thole <TTHOLE@TINY.COMPUTING.CSBSJU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

Hatem,
I guess no one defined what the "New World Order" was supposed to be.
Perhaps it should have been called "Traditional World Disorder."
Tom
TTHOLE@CSBSJU.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:07:20 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Islam and Ovais

Ovais,

If you want to continue to believe you have the answer, through Islam,
good for you.....  I just wish you did not have the need to believe that
everyone else is wrong, that Christians or Jews or anybody else is headed
for hell.....

I think Islam is a great religion (my parents and my family are muslims)...
I am a muslim by birth....though I have not prayed or attended the
mosque in some 20 years...... People like me believe that all the great
religions advocate some basic values...honesty, loyalty, doing good etc. etc...
and that these are the essentials not how often one bows their heads to
God or how often one fasts...

Nobody is going to convince you to change Ovais and you are not going to
convince anyonel else on this network to change to Islam.....

zahir
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Date: 7 Jan 93 18:28:00 GMT
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Is anyone attending the SCCR conference in DC in Feb. interested in
sharing a hotel room?  (Nonsmoker, please) I'm the only one from here
going.     Richard Harris, Dept. of Psychology, Kansas State U,
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:33:00 EST
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Subject:      RE: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

There is nothing new in the new world order.  It is an order that allows the wes
tern imperial states to exploit the non-militarized states for the resources.  N
 othing will happen in Bosnia until they see something to exploit.  Bosnia hasss
lilittle to explot
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From:         jean <SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!
              7 Jan 1993 11:20:17 -0400 from <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:20:17 -0400 DOUGL, APPARENTLY. said:
>-----She/He/They Said ----
>->
>->
>->Are we going back to the laws of the jungle ??!!!
>->
>->Hatem <TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS>
>
>This would appeal, perhaps, to Jean and the other light/dark discussants of
>some time back.

it sure did!  beautifully stated, dougl!
jean
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>A turn of phrase but with a sour implication that something called
>civilization has lifted humans out of the quagmire of instinctive,
>violent, brutish behaviour and , by association, that violence within
>civilization indicates a descent into feral animal behaviour.
>
>Ethologists - at least those not overwhelmed by the Lorenzian 'kill or
>be killed' paradigm - have long told us that animal behaviour is marked
>more by co-operation than by outright violence.
>
>Historians of war have long told us that war - in whatever form, including
>the cultural genocide being enacted in Bosnia - is not simple crude agression
>but a complex web of co-operative destruction.
>
>Laws of the jungle, we are asked.
>
>Bosnia is not some animal horror, some reversion. It is politics - that
>most human of inventions - enacted on the bodies of women, on the differences
>between religions.
>
>
>Dougl,           *
>The           .
>Southern       *   *
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:52:03 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Iraq revisited...

I thought the U.S. followed by the UN teams had destroyed all or
most of the weapons that Iraq has.....

So, where is the Pentagon and our satelites finding all these missiles
that are now once again a threat......I thought Desert Storm and
the subsequent UN missions to destroy all militiary weapons had
been very succesful!

zahir
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From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

-----She/He/They Said ----
->
->
->Are we going back to the laws of the jungle ??!!!
->
->Hatem <TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS>

This would appeal, perhaps, to Jean and the other light/dark discussants of
some time back.

A turn of phrase but with a sour implication that something called
civilization has lifted humans out of the quagmire of instinctive,
violent, brutish behaviour and , by association, that violence within
civilization indicates a descent into feral animal behaviour.

Ethologists - at least those not overwhelmed by the Lorenzian 'kill or
be killed' paradigm - have long told us that animal behaviour is marked
more by co-operation than by outright violence.

Historians of war have long told us that war - in whatever form, including
the cultural genocide being enacted in Bosnia - is not simple crude agression
but a complex web of co-operative destruction.

Laws of the jungle, we are asked.

Bosnia is not some animal horror, some reversion. It is politics - that
most human of inventions - enacted on the bodies of women, on the differences
between religions.


Dougl,           *
The           .
Southern       *   *
Cross            *

AKA

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Subject:      Cultural Help

Hello everyone,
I wonder could I trespass on the good nature of our American XCULT-L
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My 15 year old daughter Sarah is off to the United States in a weeks time
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Although she has an American passport she is as Irish as they come! Does anyone
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Is Internet or BITNET normally accessible in High Schools in the U.S?
If she can get an ID it would reduce the distance between us considerably!

If anyone can help I would be very grateful if they came back to the email
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Many thanks,
Gerry

Gerry Callaghan
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Joyce,

I disagree with you....there is ORDER and it is functioning very well...
Wouldn't you say there is order in the U.S. and we do have different
minorities killing each other in great numbers (blacks killing blacks,
hispanics killing hispanics etc.) and rampant drug problems in CERTAIN
parts of each major city......

Just the same way, in this new WORLD ORDER there will be pockets of
disorders.....and as long as they do not challenge or threaten the
Government, no action will be taken.....the Government is US....

zahir
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