HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: david@infopro.com (Dragon [David Fiedler])
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:37:12 GMT

shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>Quite correct, Betsy.  Let me repeat this--booster seats bad, regular
>infant-toddler seats good.  (You will be tested on this material.)

>However, since the FAA had made a blanket acceptance of any
>DOT-approved device, the booster seats are also _legal_ in aircraft.
>They're just a bad idea.  The FAA is, apparently, working on adding
>this to the FARs, but the comment period, etc, takes some time.

This is a particular sore point with us, since we bought a booster seat
specifically because it was marked airline-approved, and we were almost
thrown off a United flight when we insisted on using it. We plan to follow
up with the manufacturer.

BTW, what if an auto's tiltable seat back collapses?
-- 
David Fiedler    UUCP:{netcomsv,utoday}!infopro!david               AIR: N3717R
"The future is tekon."   Internet: david@infopro.com or david@utoday.com 
USMail:InfoPro Systems, PO Box 220 Rescue CA 95672 Phone:916/677-5870 FAX:-5873
From: maw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELE A. WHITE)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:09:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


I am looking for advice on how to deal with this situation:

After recently moving into a new neighborhood, I have learned that one of the
neighbors owns a dog that is part pitbull.  The neighborhood is very small and
consists of 8 children under the age of four.  My son is 1YO.

In conversation with the person who owns the dog, she told me that it's her
husband's and she hates the dog.  They confine the dog to the basement or
outside (with no shade or doghouse).  The other day they came home and found
the dog on the front porch (she broke the chain and was waiting for them).
This person assures me that the dog is fine with children.  On the same note,
she told me that this dog ripped a hole in her other dog's neck when they
first got married.  This happened after having the dogs together for a month
on what seemed to be friendly terms.  (Seems unpredictable to me)

I am in a panic state for my son (especially as he is growing up) along with
the rest of the kids on the block. Is there a way to assure our kids safety?
Am I overreacting?  If it's part pitbull - is it less dangerous??

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Michele
-- 


Michele White - Lehigh University Computing Center - (maw2@lehigh.edu)
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birthday Present?  9 y/o Girl
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:53:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Sep1.103506.28439@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:
> Yeah, I know.  I had to think twice before I put "girl" in the subject... :-)
> 
> Anyway, It's my oldest daughters birthday next week and I haven't the FAINTEST
> idea what to get her.  To make matters worse, neither does she!
> 


You've got a child that doesn't have a list "I wants" as long as she is?

Quick, tell me exactly how you raised that child.

> Any suggestions?  Pleeeeze?
> -- 


O.K., my father always gave me the most wildly bizarre treasures for 
my birthdays.  By wildly bizarre, I mean things it never occurred to 
me that I wanted, but were much loved when received.  All of these 
things were somewhat "decorative" in purpose, so that I have them 
all still.

Between 8 and 11, I got a cuckoo clock for my bedroom,  a tea set,
my first pieces of "real" jewelry and a pocket watch.

The one "functional" thing I remember getting from him as a child
was a black and white photograph developing kit.  (We had a ball
with that, talk about bonding.)

Due in part to my father who still continues this tradition,
I have a large assortment of "collectibles" ranging from the 
aforementioned cuckoo clock to hand-made Irish lace and just about
every attachment imaginable for my camera.  It could be because he
gave me the gifts or it could be that he saw something in me that I 
don't, but each gift sparked my interest considerably. 

The cuckoo clock sent me to the library in search of information on 
the Black Forest region of Germany.  The tea set got me to investigate
the Japanese tea ceremony (re-enacted on the living room floor) and 
so on.  

So my recommendation is....  get her something that will fire her 
imagination.  Something alien to her normal world.  

Connie
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:38:03 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Sep1.103503.518@vms.huji.ac.il>, naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
|> >>
|> >>You will be safest if you (1) get a good fence around your house--I've
|> >>never known a dog to jump or dig under a fence to get INTO somebody's
|> >>yard, just to get out of their own
|> >
|> > We have (what I consider) a good fence.  It keeps our golden retriever
|> > and shepard mix in, even though they'd love to be in the woods.  But it
|> > didn't keep the husky out that got into our yard the night I gave birth
|> > to Marie.  And there's a little mutt that keeps cutting through our yard
|> > (if I ever catch him...).  He slips under the fence, and it's too much
|> > trouble to try to keep him out -- he never stays long, he's just taking
|> > a short cut.
|> >
|> > But I think these are bizarre cases.  Paula's right -- a good fence
|> > should keep your child safe from lose mutts.
|> >
|> I hate to tell you this, but a good fence didn't stop my neighbors cocker
|> spaniel from digging into my yard from my neighbores

My mother had a dog which dug into the neighbor's yard every chance it got.

My mother has had several neighbors' dogs dig into her yard or jump into her
yard even when she did not have a dog.  They came in without any apparent
reason.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ultrasounds
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:33:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep2.162354.21784@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers) writes:
>
>     Recently I've heard a "rumor" that ultrasounds may be dangerous to a
>developing fetus.  Has anyone else heard anything about this, or has any
>studies been done ?
>
Some of the reading that I did (8+ years ago when I was pregnant with
Kate so I no longer have the references) cited Japanese studies with
fish that showed changes to the developing egg sacs. If the same thing
was occurring in humans you would expect to see a higher incidence in
birth defects in the children of the people who were exposed to
ultrasound in utero.  It will be a few years  yet before there are
enough ultra-sound exposed females having babies to know whether or
not there's a problem.  The risk is not terribly far-fetched.
Remember DES and prenatal Xrays were considered "perfectly safe" until
proven otherwise.  If I remember correctly, these studies were
the basis for a policy, in countries that have National Health Care
plans, of not performing ultra-sound unless the benefits outweighed
the potential risk.
Lacking any health care plan myself, and being low risk, I declined
all offers of ultra-sound with both pregnancies. *  Clearly there are
cases where the need to know how the fetus is developing greatly
outweighs some undefined risk years down the road.  (On the other
hand, frivolous ultra-sounds by the well-insured are just one of the 
many reasons why people like me get to chose between having health 
insurance and having shelter)
-nvv

*as always, Your Mileage May Vary.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Justin's Birth Story
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:25:19 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.test
Followup-to: misc.kids

 
reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

> In article <1992Aug24.184922.6330@news.media.mit.edu> stanzi@media.mit.edu (C

> >I have similar thoughts about child-birth classes.  Although mine did not
> >advocate non-intervention, they talked a lot about different types of pain
> >medications, they kind of glossed over the reality of C-sections.  They
> >made it sound like C-sections were a breeze
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Funny, I remember Judy Tyrer using those exact words in misc.kids, and
> she meant it.  (It was no breeze for my wife, either.)  YMMV.

No, not a breeze at all.  It is a lot to go through, and pretty scary.
And the recovery is a pain, to say the least.  In fact, one of the
reasons I'm quite reluctant to have another, (my son is 4 now), is that
I don't want to go through another c-section.  If your wondering, the
reason for my c-section was that I am a very small women (4'11") and also
have a very small pelvis.  Patrick wouldn't even drop after 6 hours of
labour, (most of that pretty heavy), and the stress of him against my
pelvis wasn't doing him any good, as well as cutting off the cord, 
caught between my pelvic bone and him, every time I had a contraction.
Although I did go into it expecting that a c-section was probably going to
happen, mostly because of my size.  Now Patrick was only 6 and half pounds,
so I figure, if I couldn't deliver one that size, I probably couldn't get
one out any size.  So, I'm very reluctent to have another, because I hate
surgeries, and hospitals.

> 
> >so many women have to have C-sections, I think child birth classes would
> >do well to discuss this possibility more realistically and help women
> >prepare themselves emotionally for this eventuallity.
> 

I agree, I was very scared going into my c-section, I think I would have felt
better about it, had I known a bit more.  But then again, as I said before
I hate surgeries in general.

> We covered sections in our Bradley classes and were reasonably well-
> prepared.  Have other Bradley Moms had similar experiences?

I did Lamaze, and we did cover c-sections, but I still didn't feel all
that prepared.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You really know you're a parent when...
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:34:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.


You really know you're a parent when your dinner consists
of what your 3-year-old refused to finish.  And you
eat it standing up in the kitchen with a baby in one arm
and said 3-year-old wrapped around one of your legs.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Walkers - summary
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:54:31 GMT
Distribution: na

Excuse me if this is a double posting - I think the other summary may
have gotten lost.

Thanks you to everyone who shared their experiences and opinions about
walkers.  Here's a summary about the responses that I received and
collected from the net:

    For or Use walkers 			24
    Against walkers			12
    offered information but no opinion 	 6

    Total Responses			42


    Pros

    All of the pro responses came from parents who had used walkers for
    their children.  While there were a couple of children that didn't 
    like their walkers, most parents said their children loved their walkers
    and had a lot of fun. A few parents used the walker when feeding the 
    child. A couple of others mentioned keeping the child in it while 
    they were busy doing something like making or eating dinner.  Most 
    parents felt that walkers weren't dangerous if the child was constantly
    supervised, the house babyproofed, and there was a limit set to
    the amount of time spent in the walker.  No one thought that
    walkers helped the child in developing walking skills.

    Cons

    The most common reason for not using a walker was the history of
    accidents involving walkers.   Others mentioned that walkers would
    cause the child to develop improper ways of walking, e.g. toe first
    rather than heel first.  Included among those against walkers are
    Consumer's Reports, Consumer's Union and the American Academy of
    Pediatricians.  A couple of parents related accidents involving
    walkers and stairs, that had happened either to their child or 
    children they knew.


    If you would like a copy of the walker faq file please sent mail to
    smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.com.

diana
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:46:53 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski) writes:
>My son is also into Thomas the Tank Engine, although not Shining Time Station.
>The Thomas segments are too short on the regular show and he gets upset.

Funny, we have the opposite problem. Though Brad loves his one Thomas
book and his Thomas toy, he does NOT like it when the Thomas segments
break into Shining Time.  He cries for "Kids and Scheem" to come back!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 2.5 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rac@philabs.philips.com (Regina Conrad)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:32:44 GMT

I Know !!!     After a soccer game (8yrs and under) on a hot humid afternoon,
	      The girls shouted, " I want a shower!"
	      The boys just didn't know why.
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breast Pumping survey, this bounced.
Date: 2 Sep 1992 15:27:36 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


------- Forwarded Message

Return-Path: grant@panhed.psc.edu
To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Cc: grant
Subject: Breast pumping
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:24:55 -0400
From: " Shirl Grant " <grant@panhed.psc.edu>
X-Mts: smtp


I pumped for 6.5 months, while working full time.

1. e. Battery operated

2. 6.5 months (but he did start cereal at 4 months, and veggies at 6months)

- -Shirl

------- End of Forwarded Message

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: Re: Cesearian Births (was Justin's birth story)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:18:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.180818.21908@cbnews.cb.att.com> klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:
>
>Yes, even now my stomach muscles are nowhere close to where they were, but
>no the cesearian was nowhere like what I thought it would be.  Perhaps its
>just attitude, but really, recovery was pretty easy, considering.
>

Perhaps attitude has something to do with it, but there are certainly 
other physical factors that make recovery easier for some than for others. 
As with vaginal child-birth, some have more difficulty with C-sections
than others.

--Stanzi
From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:37:20 GMT
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <-zanm9_@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>have a truly foolproof way to keep them off the stairs, and be
>prepared to have a delay in "real" walking.

I don't know if this is really true, but we LIKED the fact that Lynn didn't
start walking for real until 16 months.  She understood a lot more then
than she did at 10 months.

Lynda
-- 
					Member HASA, Atheist-Scum Division
"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Getting tired of alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.woman
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:11:59 GMT

Ok, all you news gurus. Does anyone know how to auto kill anything with
any of the following stings in the newsgroup field:

alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women

Why do we keep getting this stuff in misc.kids anyway? Some of these
posters are truly venomous. Every time I auto kill a subject line, it mutates
into something else! Yikes!

I am using 'rn'.

Thanks!

Laura



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jkl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (jon.k.lyons)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Holmdel, NJ
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:25:34 GMT

>K. C. Kelly writes:
>
>... In my opinion, it would be next to 
>impossible for two parents to give a decent amount of attention
>to 11 children.  Certainly the kids interact with their siblings
>more than kids from small families do and they get attention
>that way, but I think it's important for kids to have a lot of
>one on one time with their parents (or 2 on 2-3 at least) where
>their parents can truly focus on them, and that has to happen
>less frequently in a very large family.  

I strongly disagree.  I'm the 2nd of 7 children, my wife is the 7th of 7,
my Dad in the 10th of 10 and Mom is the 3rd of 7.  I currently have 2
children, and #3 is due in a month.  It seems to me that the one-on-one time
between parent and child is more a function of the parents priorities
than anything else.  For example, I had much more one-on-one time with my
Mom than most of my friends, 'cause she was there when I got home from school,
was around during the summer, etc.  My Dad made time for all of us as well.
Now this one-on-one time might have been working on the garden, pulling weeds
in the flower bed, finishing off the basement, hiking in the woods, or as
a coach of my baseball team.  What this means is that my Dad didn't have
a lot of time to persue other interests (although he did get his Master's
degree going to night school).  It also meant that my Mom did not work outside
of the home (she has a Bachelor's degree).  Since Mom dodn't work, we also
didn't have the newest clothes, biggest house, most expensive vacations,
and I had to work my way through school, but those were conscious choices
that my parents made.  When I compare that versus, say, having a little
more money when we were growing up and having my parents around more to bug
me and not having Mike, Rick and Lisa, well, the choice to me is obvious.

In a large family, you learn many of the important lessons of how to get
along in society, that some people never seem to grasp:  how to get along
with others, how to resolve petty differences, how to share, be considerate
of others, how to take care of others, and to accept responsibility, to
name a few.  Sure, it's not for everyone, but it is a great way for many
people.
-- 
Jon Lyons                                            jon.k.lyons@att.com
AT&T Bell Laboratories                               att!jon.k.lyons
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: God's Family Values in misc.kids 
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 17:09:57 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA


In article <92240.090525IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
 IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

!From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
!
!=Yes, of course I would. But I believe I am giving good things to my
!c=hildren. I am trying to teach them values that they can build a happy
!=sucessful life on. Values like caring for other people, not being self
!=centered, respecting the environment, being honest. As a basis for
!=that I am also trying to teach them what I believe about the world.
!=Please, if you think I'm hurting my children as much as giving them
!=LSD, tell me how. But please don't make vague, generalisations about me.
!
!and herein lies the problem: you don't need christianity to teach kids
!values to live by!  do you really think that only christians care
!for other people, respect the environment, and are honest?

No.  I don't think McGregor said that.

I think you're the one who is assuming that there is "only one way."

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toys & Pacifier Survey Results
Date: 1 Sep 1992 07:54:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Laura Utt lists favorite toys:


6 months to 1 year
------------------
balls                                 5
books & magazines                     4
books (board & plastic)               3
activity gym                          3
stackable blocks                      2
walker w/ handle for pushing          2
plastic hammer that squeaks           2
shape sorter                          2


Okay, who's the parent(s) of the other kid
with the squeaky hammer?! Are you getting
a little tired of it yet?  :)

-Dena
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:38:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug24.202134.25203@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
>baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
>any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
>was it?
>
They won't kill anyone (unless they go down the stairs in one!), but
they will possibly delay unassisted walking because they can develop
such extreme extensor (calf) tone that kids can have a hard time
placing their entire foot on the floor.

A lot of kids really love playing in walkers. Just be prepared to
have a truly foolproof way to keep them off the stairs, and be
prepared to have a delay in "real" walking.

Brian
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:20:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Judy asks:
>Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
>to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
>parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 

Both parents don't have to work, but the non-working one has to be a
full-time student.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"On the contrary, I have created a subroutine specifically
for you, a program within a program" - Data
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.154439.6741@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>Regarding the books and magazines, are there any specific titles?  Does 
>this mean mom or dad reads the books/magazines or that the kid just likes 
>to tear them up?  (you mean there's a use for all those Communications we
>were saving?)
>
>If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
>looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.
>
>diana

Among the books our daughter liked when she was under 1, "Pat The Bunny", 
"Good Night Moon", "Hop on Pop" and "ABC Book" by Dr. Seuss, "Babies" come
to mind.  She would even listen to Beatrix Potter books when she was under
one month old.  We would read those books over and over to her, and when she
turned 1 and started to speak, she would sit down and flip the pages and 
'read'.  She actually memorized the whole thing!

Wen-lin
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