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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:24:41 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <532@owl.ukc.ac.uk>, dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
|> In article <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Hillel Applebaum writes:
|> >Pls tell me if I'm wrong.
|> >I think that regardless to been a left/right winger,
|> >all religious Israelis/jews knew that ERETZ YISRAEL
|> >is the homeland of jews and no other nation. The only
|> >thing they might disagree about is wheather is worth
|> >trading parts of it for peace.
|> 
|> No, I think this is open to dispute.  In two respects.
|> 
|> 1) I am a British Jew.  My homeland is Britain.  The homeland of Swedish
|> Jews  is Sweden, and so on.  Exactly the same as for British and Swedish
|> Baptists, or Catholics.  Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.  Most
|> Jews  live  in  the  diaspora,  and show no signs of moving - nor should
|> they.  Their homeland is the country they are living in.

Yes, Judaism is a religion. BUT part of that religion is that ERETZ-YISRAEL
is the land of the Jews !(=thier homeland)
 
|> 2) Unfortunately what you call Eretz Yisreal has almost exactly the same
|> boundaries  as  historic  Palestine.   The  Palestinians lived in it for
|> thirteen centuries, without doing Jews or anyone else any harm,  and  it
|> is  their homeland.  They have no other homeland.  You are a settler - a
|> colonist - in another people's land.

if the name 'palestine' is history, ERETZ-YISRAEL is prehistory. we were
here first. Relearn your history Mr. Turner.
 
|> David Turner
|> (A British Jew who does not support Israel)

Still we would be happy to take you here.
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/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews  MUST  live !		then peace without it.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:28:56 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.140126.10452@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>>
>>Thank you for quoting Palestinian propoganda to soc.culture.jewish.  Just
>>what we need.

>Are you confusing propoganda with fact, Sam?  There is a difference, you
>know.  Do you practice fair standards and condemn the racist attacks
>against Arabs, from people like Gideon, who continually post propoganda
>pieces?

Perhaps it would be instructive to read about some of the beliefs of
those Hamas terrorists.  The following information comes from the Near
East Report.  (Obviously, the NER tried to put its own perspective on
the inflammatory--to put it mildly--agenda of Hamas, but its agenda
itself is indisputable.)

     Hamas' 1988 covenant is brutally frank about its
     objectives.  "There is no solution for the Palestinian
     question except through jihad [holy war] ...
     initiatives and so-called peaceful solutions and
     international conferences, are in contradiction to
     [Hamas'] principles ... Israel will exist until Islam
     will obliterate it ... [Hamas] strives to raise the
     banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine," the
     covenant declares.

     Subsequent Hamas statements were even more extreme.  An
     October 1990 Hamas leaflet said that the Jews are the
     "blood seeds of evil in every era ... Allah has
     ordained as certain fate to destroy the Jews."  The
     leaflet's "directive for action" calls on Hamas'
     supporters to "view every Jew ... as a target to be
     killed, whose blood and money are for the taking."
     
I find it interesting that the deportees have not, to my knowledge, denied
that they subscribe to Hamas' genocidal agenda.  They are merely trying to
convince the world that Israel is morally wrong for not sitting idly by
while they try to destroy it.
-- 
Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:45:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.211833.28487@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.000326.24862@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>Well, actually I agree with the statement that Jews are defined by
>>what they do and not what their beliefs are.
>
>This is true.
>
>>But then I read all these articles saying conservative converts are
>>not kosher because they and their rabbis don't hold certain beliefs.
>
>And this is also true.
>
>>So I read with agreement the statement that beliefs do not define
>>Judaism, yet know that beliefs will once again be thrown down as
>>a gauntlet when conversion discussion arise.
>
>Let me try to explain:
>
>The rabbis beliefs don't make him any less a Jew, and they don't make
>him any less qualified to supervise the ritual of conversion.  The
>problem is that if the rabbi doesn't accept the entire Torah, there

"Doesn't accept the entire Torah" covers a lot of ground.  There's
quite a difference between believing the Torah is divinely inspired
and not necessarily  the exact literal words written or dictated by
G-d to Moses (or some say Moses and Joshua); and not accepting the
entire Torah.

I'm not a rabbi, but from what I've heard from conservative rabbis,
accepting that the Torah is divinely inspired means it cannot be
ignored, it is the Torah, it, together with the Talmud and the codes
of law form Halacha, and as provided for in Halacha, we continue to
turn it over and over and over.

That's quite a different thing from "doesn't accept the Torah."

>exists a reasonable doubt whether he really knows what he's doing.
>Most Orthodox, it seems, are not willing to give such a person that
>benefit of doubt, which (to me) is a very wrong attitude.
>
>On the other hand, if the conservative (or reform) actually do a
>different ritual, then it becomes less a matter of reasonable doubt
>and more a matter of "but no conversion was performed".

As has been posted here, the conservative rituals and procedures are
not different.  The course of study as selected might differ, but each
rabbi has discretion as to the specific course of study and each Bet
Din has discretion as to the questions it asks;  there is not a
litmus test specified in Halacha that says this question or that
question must be asked.  Yet one criticism I hear is a certain law
is not taught or a certain question - often relating to "belief" -
is not asked.  Such litmus tests might be used, but are not necessary
for valid conversions.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: leonid@spss.com (Leonid Feygin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:06:44 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1993Jan9.132925.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.163106.10006@ac.dal.ca>, black@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> 
>nonsense deleted
>> who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.  My suggestion to the
>> Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave this brother
>> alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET THE HELL OUT!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Dr.Kwame Assad BA(Hons) MA  PhD(Oxford)  
>
>The normal abbreviation is OXON - are you trying to impress us?  Would you
>not know the correct way to state your qualifications if you went to Oxford?
>I am a little suspicious.
>
>Laurence
>
'm more than a "little" suspicious.  Obviously, the guy is an ignorant
bigot.

--
Leonid Feygin     SPSS, Inc.     leonid@spss.com     (312) 329-3639
From: jms@vision.sarnoff.com (Jerry Shapiro x2420)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Reconstructionists in Boston-Cambridge area?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:46:50 GMT
Reply-To: jms@vision.sarnoff.com
Organization: David Sarnoff Research Center

There is one in Newton. Look in the Yellow Pages under Synagogues. I forgot 
the name but I think it's Shir Hadash. My wife and I used to attend when we 
lived in Boston. It's a nice group.

Jerry Shaprio
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aechenbe@alfred.carleton.ca (Alan Echenberg)
Subject: Canada - Assimilation
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:42:17 GMT

I'm a Masters student in the Carleton School of Journalism. I'm
working on a television documentary about assimilation in the Canadian Jewish
community. If there is anyone out there living in the Ottawa/Montreal
area who might be able to help me out (with contacts, personal stories
about assimilation, intermarriage, conversion, Jewish continuity,
etc.), please get in touch via e-mail.

aechenbe@ccs.carleton.ca

Thanks.
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:13:45 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu


I read in one of Blu Greenberg's books about a case in Canada where some
guy was blackmailing his (wanting to be ex-)wife for some large amount of
money before he would grant her a get. . .apparently all her friends told
their husbands they wouldn't go to the mikvah until the woman received
a get, and it did work in that case.  (Rather Lysistrata-ish.)

			. . .Alexandra
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:30:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1it88e$sd0@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article <4912@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
># Might you make the same objection and analysis of the situation
># on behalf of Orthodox Muslim women?
>
>Where's Yakim Martillo when we really need him?  :-)

Martillo and I had a knock-down, drag-out discussion on t.p.m. not too long
ago about his insistance that female circumcision was ordained by Islam 
(according to sunna), in addition to other very personal and offensive
remarks directed towards me and Muslim women in general.

For someone who thinks that all "Abrahamic religions" are "primative" and
ridiculous in practice, I don't think it would be adviseable to hear what
such a person has to think, unless, of course, you wish to see women
insulted and degraded because of their religious beliefs.

Anisa (not smiling)
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:52:27 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

I wander what period of time most jews wait between
BASAR and CHALV. 
I thougt that 3 hours is the most common MINHAG.
My wife thinks it's 5.31 hours.

	What do u say, shell we take a poll ? 

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/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then    without it.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: LC
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 01:16:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.224231.12231@imagen.com> avi@seal.imagen.com writes:
>In article <4860@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>|> In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:
>|> >
>|> The Israeli-Arab Situation has nothing whatsoever to 
>|> do with anti-semitism.
>
>Have you ever heard of JIHAD ? (as in the Islamic Jihad ?)

In no way Jihad is associated with Judaism nor Jews.  In fact
Jews had their most prosper life under the Islamic Empire in Spain
while they where prosecuted by the Christians in Europe when
they were calling them: God killers.

>Does the following phrase ring any bell: "Itbach El YAHUD" (Arabic for: 
>Slaughter the JEWS, not Israelis)

No it doesn't.  Muslims can marry Jews.  It is in the Islamic 
constitution.  If Kill the Jews is a law, then how can they allow
a muslim to marry a Jewish woman?  A Jewish Woman can be
the mother of muslim children.  Therefore, Islam is not Anti Jewish
as you are attempting to brain people's brain with.


>How about the Terrorist attacks on NON-Israeli Jews such as Leon Klinghofer from
>the "Achile Lauro" (sp?)  Or the Synagouge Bombing in Istanbul, Turkey, etc. 

How about the Terrorist attacks on NON-muslim Palestinains?
Attack on innocent Civilians is prohibited in Islam.  Therefore,
don't associate Jihad with acts that are not related to Jihad.

The Ship's operation was not islamically oriented, it was
nationally oriented, while Jihad is islamically oriented.

jle


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Date: 04 Jan 93 16:41:53 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <1993Jan4.161545.2873@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>Thus a piece of horsemeat with milk is treif but not basar
>bechalav.  The difference lies in that we can sell nonkosher food
>to a nonJew (as he is allowed to eat it) or use it in a nonfood
>product but we are not allowed to get any benefit from a meat and
>milk mixture.  For example, dogfood with horse meat and milk
>solids would be allowed, but with beef and milk solids would not
>be allowed.

Isn't the "benefit clause" only in the case of cooking meat and
milk together, and not mixing them together cold.  Also, isn't
one allowed to gain benefit from chicken and milk (but not eat
it), or is my memory cloudy?

Does the benefit clause mean that a Jewish store owner cannot
carry products that contain meat and milk cooked together?  What
if the store is publically owned--can one not hold stock in such
a store?

Thanks,
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Israel must NOT return the "garbage"
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:58:10 GMT

jle@locus.com (John Elghani) writes:

>And you don't think of them as garbage, I assume, right?

Thus far, I only saw the Lebanese referring to the terrorists as garbage.


>The world should condemn the the garbage dumping issue, as
>they are expected to condemn Hitler's action.

I'm waiting.  When are you going to follow your advice and condemn the
Lebanese?
-- 
Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: REAL Cheese?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:50:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.085328.492@shearson.com> esafern@shearson.com writes:
>Can you elaborate on the other halachic problems with regular cheese?
>
>If the issues are involved are small (easy/cheap to correct, there is 
>no obvious reason for the major cheese manufacturers to avoid certification.

Basically, the issue is that cheese has to be made under Jewish auspices
and that this applies to rennetless cheese as well, though I don't think
it applies to things that aren't aged (like cottage cheese, farmer
cheese, and cream cheese, all of which are widely available with reliable
certification).

Incidentally, there is another distinction between hard cheese and "soft"
cheeses.  Namely that, while you don't ordinarily have to wait to eat meat
after eating dairy, you do have to wait after eating hard cheese.  For those
purposes, hard cheese is defined as cheese aged more than 6 months and it
is clear that Swiss cheese (both Gruyere and Emmenthaler) and parmesan
would fall into that class but it is less obvious for other cheeses.

Miriam Nadel


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: Net access in NYC
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:28:33 GMT

>My brother in Manhattan has a mac and a modem, but the only account
>that he can access is mine in Chicago, which is a long distance
>phone call.
>
>If anyone in the New York area has info about computer accounts
>and or net access in colleges/universities in New York, or other
>suggestions, please e-mail me.
>
>He just wants to use e-mail on the internet so he can communicate
>with family and friends.
>
>Leon Gross
>I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Leon,
I have a friend (actually a friend of my son) who is at Einstein Med in NY.
We communicate regularly .  I can give his address.  Ask him about places
in NY, maybe he can help.  His name is Zev Raden  Address = 
raden@aecom.yu.edu.
Try and let me know.  You can use my name.  be well
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 17:01:41 GMT

mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

>	
>True, but the German masses bought the Nazi explanations for all the ills
>that plagued Germany at that time.  They apparently felt that sacrificing
>the Jews for the glories of a Greater Fatherland was acceptable.  For that
>they shall never be forgiven.  It remains yet to be seem whether their 
>children have learned anything from their recent history.  Judging by the
>re-emergence of the Nazi youth movement, the skinheads, and the Nazi 
>rockers, the answer at this time is NO!
Unfortunality you are right. But isn't it a fact that people in general
(doesn't matter in which country they live) tend to blame their 
problems to a weaker minority. It's a psychological fact that people
try to find reasons for their mistakes or problems not by themselves,but
by other persons or special circumstances.
So if you say that the germans should never be forgiven that they
thought the jews had the responsibility for their problems
the americans (for example) shouldn't never be forgiven that
there was a time where they thought the newcomers from europe
were responsible for their problems or that they thought whites were
better than blacks. In fact then no country in the world could have
been forgiven then.
Judging the question if the youth has learned from it by looking
to the skins is just judging america by looking on the Ku-Klux-Klan.
Many germans have problems to understand and accept different
cultures like americans have problems to understand and accept 
the culture of the foreigners who come to their land and like
many people from israel have problems to understand and accept
arab culture. art
The biggest part who has sympathies to the right wingers is just afraid for 
their jobs and their existence. I wouldn't call them rasistic, just egoistic.
That is no excuse, but trying to out that people would not solve
the problem.

Bye,
  Christian
n
-- 
"Die Demokratie ist ein Verfahren, das garantiert, dass wir nicht
 besser regiert werden, als wir es verdienen."
- G. B. Shaw
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: Eruv
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:43:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

In article <5258@ceylon.gte.com>, sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
wrote:
> 
> Well, for the first time in my life I live in a communitity that has
> has an eruv. 18 or so years after its inception, Boston has an eruv. It
> is reported to be the largest one in the US. It covers almost all of
> Brookline, Brighton, and Newton (rt 9, to the Mass-Pike, from Kenmore
> Square to about route 128). It is a huge area that includes several
> large reservoirs and lakes (I believe they are excluded).
> 
> When instigated, I believe the planners felt that this would stem the
> decline of Jewish Boston. Since then, Boston certainly has declined.
> Maybe this will change things, but I seriously doubt it. Boston has
> some much more severe problems. And I think that putting one's efforts
> into an eruv sort of "skirts the heart of the matter" :-).
> 
> 
> ---
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund		 		  sgutfreund@gte.com
> GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA			    harvard!bunny!sgutfreund
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Even better, there is now an eruv in Chicago!!!  While we were able to
institute an eruv in Skokie (a north suburb of Chicago) about a year ago,
the Chicago eruv became functional about 2 weeks ago.  We are finally a
REAL jewish city now!


Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: Kosher resturants in Phili?
Organization: Mendelson.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:59:52 GMT

In article <104060@netnews.upenn.edu> rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes:

>In center city, there are 5 kosher restaurants; I believe they are all
>certified by the local (Orthodox) Va'ad, although I'm not sure.  The European
>Dairy Restaurant is at 20th and Walnut (or around there somewhere), and there
>are three Israeli restaurants on 11th and 12th streets: Maccabeam, Jonathan's,
>and Shishkabob.  Macabeam is my personal favorite; it's just Israeli food.
>Jonathan's has a lot of American food as well; I've never been to Shishkabob.
>There's also a "steak house" type place called Shira's around the corner from
>Maccabeam on Sansom.

Jonathan's is a deli that also serves Israeli food. They are less fancy than
Maccabeam, and I prefer the food and prices. 

Funny, I've never been to Shiskabob or Shira's either.

The European dairy restaurant is what I would call "Jewish" food 
(borscht, lakes, blinzes, chopped herring, etc) IMHO very good.


>There are also several places in the northeast on Castor Ave.: Dragon Inn
>(Chinese), Tiberias Restaurant (Chinese, American, and some other stuff),
>Tiberias Cafeteria (a few blocks away -- I think it's a pizza and sandwich
>place, but I'm not sure) and a couple others I can't remember.  They're quite
>a ways from center city, though.

The Dragon is ok, but I prefer the Tiberias (in the same shopping center, btw).

The Tiberas took over the staff of another kosher chinese restaurant that
burnt down, so they have both Israeli and chinese food. (avoid the
spare ribs btw, they are boiled then baked)   :=(


Tel Aviva Pizza, also in the the northeast, is NOT KOSHER. Also La Pergola,
an Israeli restaurant in Jenkintown is NOT KOSHER. 


>Oh, there's also a kosher vegetarian Chinese place in Chinatown (on the north
>edge of center city), I forget what it's called.

It's called the Cherry Street Vegatarian Restaurant. It is Kosher, but the
service was so bad that I would not recommend eating there. We ordered 
several appatisers and the main dishes arrived with one of them. I sent
back the main courses which were later brougth out cold and tasteless.
When I complained, they warmed them up in a microwave and were then warm
and tasteless. All throughout this the staff was arguing with me because
I would not eat cold food. IMHO a waste. This was the only time my wife
(of 3 years) has ever seen me angry at a waiter/waitress.

Geoff.
-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 
(215) 242-8712
gsm@mendelson.com     or uunet!gsm001!gsm