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From: wombat@ccs.northeastern.edu (tat k mui)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:13:01 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Apr16.065807.1273@wam.umd.edu> sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>>>
>>>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.
>>
>>I don't think this is quite true.  All of the videos and re-releases of
>>Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"
>>or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
>>was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.  It was
>>only after it became a mega-hit that the hype began.  I think that the
>>soggy plot of Return of the Jedi is some good evidence that Lucas hadn't
>>thought it all through from the start.  (Of course The Empire Strikes Back
>>was released as Episode V.)
> 
>	Original Posters from Star Wars are worth big bucks because they 
>don't have the episode # on them. However I believe that in the middle of
>the run, Star Wars was edited and the edisode IV was placed in the  title
>and there were some changes made to the movie. I distinclty remember a scene
>in which Luke is talking to his friend about the Space Academy or some such
>thing, but when I saw the movie again, several months later, and rented it
>on video cassette that scene was not there. I used to own a comic book 
>version of the movie that we bought at the theater when we first saw it in
>June of 1977 and this scene was in it. I no longer have the comic book but
>my brother insists that Luke had a cousin Duke. That I can't say for sure.
>Does anybody else remember this scene ?
>
>Laura.


 
 That scene was in the paper back and the comic book but it was NEVER in the
 movie.  As far as i can remember the IV was always in the movie.  I just
 think that most people didnt notice it until the second or third time that
 they saw the movie.  

 The guy that Luke was talking to was Biggs Darklider (SP?).  He was a friend
 that left to go the acamedy and Luke's Uncle would not let Luke go to the
 Acamedy with him.

 Biggs was killed during the raid on the death star near the end of the movie. 
 Thats when he first hears Obi Wan tell him to use the force.
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: Which one of the trilogy you like most?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-13979]: rex
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.052158.7068@athena.mit.edu> pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
>The Subject line says it. STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and THE RETURN
>OF THE JEDI, which one you like most?
>
>Personally I like TESB the best, just because it's 'dark' enough, not the
>happy-happy-all-the-bad-guys-got-wiped-out kind of ending.
>
>Patrick
>

I think I liked Star Wars best... just because it was the first one I saw,
and because it wasn't a sequel-- it was original. It was also just an
awesome movie in general....

Misti
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From: kho@athena.mit.edu (Karen W Ho)
Subject: Re: Film Fests
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:10:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.043052.11469@cs.tulane.edu> jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan) writes:


>For the most part, the only people who were in the theatre were college
>students who had seen each movie enough to quote it word for word. I, for
>one, was almost disappointed by the graphics in Star Wars... although it
>was awesome in it's time, it is almost wimpy compared to newer space/action/
>science fiction movies.

I personally think the graphics in Star Wars are still awesome.


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From: bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Help needed on Boba Fett...
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:04:22 GMT

In article <54806@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
> In article <92107.014416MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>>In reference to all that stuff/armament/skills/gizmos that Boba Fett has:
>>...hard to believe a simple jab to his rocket pack could send him to his doom,
>>huh? I always hated that. :-) BF was one of my favorite characters and seeing
>>his demise, especially that one, didn't go over too well with me.
> 
> I know.  In 'Empire' he was a real bad ass, you know.  Smart, calculating.
> Always right there.  They turned him into such a wimp in 'Return'!

Lando turned out to be rather useless in Jedi, too.  They portrayed him as a
really interesting person, with some real (though yet to be seen) depth.  In
Jedi, he was just kinda there.  Just somebody to fly the Falcon so Han could be
off doing other things.  A waste of an excellent character.

I really loved Return of the Jedi, and still do, but these observations bring
forth what I have always felt about Jedi.  There was a sense of "Let's hurry up
and get this over with" throughout the whole film which (to me, anyway) made
the film rather sad.  Sad in the sense that it left me thinking "Is that all
there is?"

-- 
Bruce Crawford
bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
From: TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Help needed on Boba Fett...
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:19:31 GMT
Organization: Mindcrime

In article <92106.232636MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>Hi..
>
>I'd like any info possible that exists on the coolest Bounty Hunter on
>Imperial
> retainer...

Geesh. Once again, I must ask:  Am I the only person who didn't like Boba Fett?
Apparently everyone else does.  Well, I thought he was a cool bad guy, but
I'm glad he got rubbed out.  What other way could they have had him die?
After he got his money from Jabba he would have split and could have cared less
what happened to the rebels. So he wouldn't have been killed in his spaceship
in the battle at the end.  It was kinda silly how he died, though.

I guess most people wouldn't want him to die at all.  I disagree, since the SW
flicks were the classic good vs. evil and to me this means all the evil is
destroyed and the good prevails.

Did anyone _like_ Return of the Jedi?

 Sime

 "If there's a new way,
  I'll be the first in line"        "Now there is a school that
                                     self-destructed not because
 "A couple grains of powder,         society didn't care, but
  A couple grams of lead,            because the school _was_
  A touch against the trigger,       society.  Pretty deep, huh?"
  A touch inside your head"                   -J.D.
         -Megadeth                             in "Heathers"
From: TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Yeah!!!! Hoo-rah!
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:44:35 GMT
Organization: Mindcrime
X-Subliminal-Message: Marhefkasnot!

Yippee!  This group is finally here!!!
One question:  Is the stuff in West End Games "Star Wars" gonna be discussed
here?  I don't mean game questions, I mean stuff referring to the movies.


 Sime

 "If there's a new way,
  I'll be the first in line"        "Now there is a school that
                                     self-destructed not because
 "A couple grains of powder,         society didn't care, but
  A couple grams of lead,            because the school _was_
  A touch against the trigger,       society.  Pretty deep, huh?"
  A touch inside your head"                   -J.D.
         -Megadeth                             in "Heathers"
From: joltes@husc4.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:23:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr16.122318.11163
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Teri's observations about the similarities among various heroic fiction stories
were correct, as was her reference to Joseph Campbell.  In fact, Joe used some
scenes from Episode IV (Luke looking longingly into sunset, etc) during his
series "Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth," which he made with Bill Moyers.
Heroic fiction uses the "call to adventure" theme a lot, and the hero is often
accompanied by a sage old man/woman during the early stages.  Then the sage is
lost, and the hero must complete the journey using only his or her own wits and
courage.  Often the objective is saving a person (princess, king, wizard,
child), but sometimes it can be as "heavy" as saving the hero's country or even
the world.

SW uses a lot of these themes, and Campbell asserted that one of the reasons 
for its popularity is that it's a "modern myth" that folks today can identify
with.  The older, dragon-slaying tales don't hold as much meaning for a lot
of people today, but SW really touched on some ideas that are very old and very
important.

Enough scholarship...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick Joltes						joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
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From: chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf)
Subject: Re: Random musings...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.201630.15375@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:
>Thoughts on the whole thing...

>2) Anyone have a release date for Dark Empire #3?

I think April 18th or thereabouts but that's just a guess based on the 
spacing of the release of 1 and 2.
>
>3) I have it on pretty good authority that the return of Palpatine
>in DE#2 wasn't the only return we'll be seeing. A certain 
>Mandalorian...

Awesome.  Wonder how they'll manage to pull that one off...
 
Anyone want to speculate on what will happen in the next few issues?
I say Lei rescues Luke from the Dark Side (cool if we could see a saber
battle between brother and sister) and together they destroy the Emperor
and his clone bodies for good.  Meanwhile the Alliance launches a strike
against Byss destroying the central control facility for the World
Devastators and ending that threat.          

>
>4) One month 'till the next Zahn novel. Ideas on the identity of 
>the spy? Fel'lya? Winter? 

Personally I think its Winter but guess we'll have to wait and see.
Are you sure the next novel is due in May?  I've been expecting it
any time now but hadn't heard anything definite.

What does anyone out there think about the novels in comparison with
the DH comics?  Personally I like the treatment of the Star Wars
universe better as it was handled by Dark Horse than by Zahn.  Zahn
seemed to be really stretching to create an enemy who could threaten
the Alliance while Dark Horse did it brilliantly I think.  Any opinions?

>
>                             Just thoughts. I'll have more later.
>                                  George
>"Don't worry, Han. They're not gonna chain you to a wall and shoot you."
>                                -Luke Skywalker

^Just curious but where'd the quote come from? 

						- Chris

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From: pinette@fraser.sfu.ca (Gandolf the 23rd)
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:22:00 GMT

Ok....I have to post this, but I will save those out there who don't have
my sense of humour the burden of having to go through all of them. 


What did the one Car racer say to the other car racer?


May the Porche be with you 


(I kill me)
From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Idea of the Force (was Re: I'll get you, Luke..)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:35:10 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.205512.18391@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) writes:
>
>   I don't suggest that _Star Wars_ ripped off the plot of _The Wizard 
>of Oz_, but can't help noticing certain parallels (JUST FOR FUN!):

BTW I've read some comments that "the force" was derived from the "mystic"
oriental philosophy and religion. Anybody wants to confirm this, or wants
to disprove it?"

Patrick
From: forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Missing Scene in Star Wars
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:42:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr16.162108.12717@acsu.buffalo.edu> v106lr4h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric T Sasse) writes:
>   How about that scene from Star Wars where Jabba the Hutt shows up at the 
>dock where the falcon is and tries to get his money from Han, btw, Jabba in 
>this scene is a HUMAN, kind of a fat one too! I've seen it twice ever in my
>life, and can't remember where. 

huh?

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Help needed on Boba Fett...
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:17:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92107.014416MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>In reference to all that stuff/armament/skills/gizmos that Boba Fett has:
>...hard to believe a simple jab to his rocket pack could send him to his doom,
>huh? I always hated that. :-) BF was one of my favorite characters and seeing
>his demise, especially that one, didn't go over too well with me.

I know.  In 'Empire' he was a real bad ass, you know.  Smart, calculating.
Always right there.  They turned him into such a wimp in 'Return'!


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | If winning is not important, then Commander,
Georgia Institute of Technology  |    why keep score?
Office of Information Technology | 
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |                     - Worf -
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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Help needed on Boba Fett...
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:03:35 GMT

In <54806@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <92107.014416MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>In reference to all that stuff/armament/skills/gizmos that Boba Fett has:
>>...hard to believe a simple jab to his rocket pack could send him to his doom,
>>huh? I always hated that. :-) BF was one of my favorite characters and seeing
>>his demise, especially that one, didn't go over too well with me.
>I know.  In 'Empire' he was a real bad ass, you know.  Smart, calculating.
>Always right there.  They turned him into such a wimp in 'Return'!

Ah, but his ending was classic...
B: "Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!"
Sarlacc: <belch>
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise
and fear...fear and surprise...Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and
ruthless efficiency...Our THREE weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless
efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope...Our FOUR...no...
AMONGST our weapons...Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise
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From: gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:57:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>
>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.

I don't think this is quite true.  All of the videos and re-releases of
Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"
or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.  It was
only after it became a mega-hit that the hype began.  I think that the
soggy plot of Return of the Jedi is some good evidence that Lucas hadn't
thought it all through from the start.  (Of course The Empire Strikes Back
was released as Episode V.)

IMHO the thing that made Star Wars one of the great films of all time is
not the special effects (though they were cool too) but the fact that it
was the first science fiction film where the characters were not constantly
going "Gee Whiz" over the technology.  This made them much more believable
as inhabitants of a futuristic society.  Most science fiction characters
up till then were constantly talking about their bright shiny laser
dowhatchits.  Star Wars characters talked about love and politics and money
and loyalty and whatnot.  The spaceships and the blasters were treated
very casually, and they were often old and beat up and in need of repairs.
My favorite part of the movie is when we get our first look and the
Millenium Falcon, a pretty cool looking ship (especially in 1977) and
Luke says, "What a piece of junk!"  Now that's believable!

E.
From: n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter??!?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:48:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr16.154806.9368
Organization: Western Washington University

there *will* be a few revelations (spoilers) pertaining to the
fourteen year old Splinter of the Mind's Eye


lesher@bucknell.edu (timothy lesher `94) writes:

>I have a book, _Splinter of the Mind's Eye_, written by Alan Dean Foster
>(I think he did the original SW book, from the screenplay or something).
>This picks up right after SW, and (not to give away an ending) its ending
>is pretty conclusive; ie, if it happened, there could have been no TESB
>or ROTJ.

>Does anyone know exactly what the heck happened here?  Lucas _knew_ he was
>going to make a trilogy (or so I thought), so why was Foster allowed to write
>an ending that would screw up the works?  If he did this on his own, he
>would have gotten staplegunned with copyright suits!

>Oh, BTW, to those of you who read it, what are your impressions?  Compared to
>the other three, Splinter... umm, how can I say this tactfully... blows.

I'd say that's a bit strong.

what happens in the end?  Vader and Luke fight, in a confrontation
that I must admit I don't like one bit, Luke displays some excellent
but completely instinctive use of the Force, and manages to damage
Vader enough that the fellow falls down a well.  he doesn't die, but
it'll take him a while to climb out.

it *can* happen between IV and V, and for the most part I figure that
it did.

for the most part, I assume that it was simply written to satiate the
legions of fans who were overwhelmed by the film.  I was in elementary
school at the time, and I can remember my delight, and astonishment,
when my best friend told me that "Star Wars II" was already out, in
book form.

granted, it wasn't Star Wars II ... but it was a fun read, it gave us
another look at the characters, it expanded the ideas presented in the
first film, especially regarding Imperial government and the Rebel
Alliance, and for the most part it was good.  not great, but good.
it served the purpose that Timothy Zahn's trilogy is serving now --
keeping the fans (reasonably) happy.  only difference is, Zahn has a 
lot more to work with than Foster did ...

my opinions,

- matt
-- 
  matthew eric bracher           | `smell the blood on the wind,
  n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu     | hear your blood in your ears,
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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Subject: Re: Related books...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:07:34 GMT

In article <74546@netnews.upenn.edu> jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
>
>I remember, five or six years ago, having seen a book called:
>"Han Solo and Chewbaka (sp ?) at stars' end"
>
>Nobody heard about it ?
>

The book is by Brian Daley. It's called "Han Solo at star's End".
It's the first in a trilogy including "Han Solo's Revenge" and
"Han Solo and the Lost Legacy."

There is also a Lando Trilogy
"L.C. and the Mindharp of Sharu"
"L.C. and the Flamewinds of Oseon"
"L.C. and the Starcave of Thonboka"
I forget the author

There is "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" by Alan Dean Foster

And of course the Zahn book.

And... there is the book "The End of the Empire" by ????.  I own it, but I'm
at school and it's not.  It wasn't very good.  I'll try to call home to
get more info on it.

					Mike Fan
From: ted4646@sigma.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Missing Scene in Star Wars
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:26:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.075158.8933@leland.Stanford.EDU>, teebone@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rand Quinn) writes...
> 
>     *TRIVIA*
>     What was Harrison Ford's license plate number in American Graffiti?
	thx 1138

>     What cell block did Han and Luke say Chewie was being transferred
>     from in Star Wars?  
	thx 1138

>     (What film did George Lucas make with Robert Duvall?)
	ummm..thx 1138?



just guessing,

thomas


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From: masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya)
Subject: SOUNDTRACKS
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:42:13 GMT

I bought the STAR WARS soundtrack back when I was 6 years old, and I used to
listen to it like crazy... I'd put my ear against the tape recorder until
my ear would hurt really bad... Anyway, I lost that tape but have another
one, and think it's the BEST stuff John Williams has done... Well, my personal
favorites would be from TESB, the Han and Leia theme, and... damn, I forgot
the name... it's the music you hear when the Falcon's in the asteroid field.
Those heroic chords just REEEEEKKKKKKKK. I actually play my guitar to it.

What do you people like? 

Oh, one thing. When I was living in Japan I saw this Chinese kung-fu movie, and
all the music was from the STAR WARS soundtrack! I had heard the stuff before,
so I was like... what the hell???.... I kept hearing "The Last Battle",  and it
would end right after the strong break... you know, when the Death Star gets
screwed...

-Masa

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