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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <Geoff.67y5@equinox.gen.nz>, Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>Thomas Beagle (thomas@datamark.co.nz) wrote:
>
>>Target shooting develops certain skills that are not encouraged by
>>many others. I found it to be a very good way to develop high levels
>>of concentration and breathing control.

There's a cheaper & safer way to improve concentration and breathing skills,
it's called masturbation.  Lets get rid of all the guns (and drinking drivers
as well) and make this country a little safer to be in.

>Take up yoga then. Guns are toys for puerile twits who are worried about the
>size of their dicks.

Yep! Got it in one, buddy. 3 inch penis = insecurity = buy a big gun to 
impress girls = buy a large loud american car to impress girls.


Andy Gardner,
Wellington, New Zealand
Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara, Aotearoa
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Wet Holidays.
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:26:03 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Well,  New Year's eve was a little wet and windy around the country,  but I've
just spent a few hours cycling round the Waikato and it's FANTASTIC.

No wind,  so cloud,  just calm blue weather.

Happy New year!

Jonathan.
From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: The recent lack of news postings
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 21:07:10 ECT
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria

cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:

> Well, folks, it's apology time. I'm afraid I just haven't had the time to
> summarise the news over the last couple of weeks and I don't see me having an

Thanks for the work so far, Alan.  Well, is there anyone else in NZ with
the time to summarize a few news stories?  Of course, nothing happens in
EnZed over the holidays... :-)

--
paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Home Office in Vienna, Austria
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Wet Holidays.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 05:14:57 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Dec30.122347.12997@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Hows about we start laying odds on it pouring dowm nationwide this Thursday
>night?  Hah!  That'll serve you holiday makers right while I have to stay here
>and work on my $%&^(% thesis.
>
>Jonathan,
>Hamilton (holiday capital of the world - not!)
>

Well we had already, last night it did'nt just rain, it teemed down
in huge bucket loads, we'll send it to you complients ;-)

Red

Wellington - Hardcore Capital of the World
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 05:21:39 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.wcc.govt.nz

>In article <1hhm7oINNosc@golem.wcc.govt.nz> gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> = buy a large loud american car to impress girls.

I dont see why big loud american cars should be brought by simply just
mere bogan males. (SIC)

--
Red female owner - 63 289 V8 Fairlane
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
From: Radagast <radagast@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:22:37 +1300
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:

> 
> agreed - but you're still missing the point - all guns can do is kill. cars/
> petrol/baseball bats/ knives ..... all have some other use. guns don't ! I 
>     Bruce
> 
Well, actually, guns do have non-lethal uses, target shooting for one.
And I believe the point has been struck just fine by your correspondent.
>
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Import/Export research
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:02:59 GMT
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
>Hello all,

> We are doing research on various items that international countries

What's an 'international country' then?

--
Geoff, Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 [4 Lines]
                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: INFORMATION REQUESTED: UNIVERSITIES' ADDRESSES
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:09:52 GMT




Hello New-Zealand netters:


I would like to know the addresses (e-mail as well as  correspondence)
addresses of Universities in New-Zealand.

Thanks a ton.

Regards
Adil Shaikh

e-mail: g9220348@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
From: obrien@laima.aa.washington.edu (Scott O'Brien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Wet Holidays.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:32:35 GMT
Organization: U of Wash Dept of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Distribution: world
Reply-To: obrien@laima.aa.washington.edu (Scott O'Brien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: laima.aa.washington.edu

|>Well we had already, last night it did'nt just rain, it teemed down
|>in huge bucket loads, we'll send it to you complients ;-)
|>
|>Red
|>
|>Wellington - Hardcore Capital of the World 
|>
Well at least it isn't snowing like it is here.  Boy I wish I was home I'd already be recovering from my hangover I am yet to get tonight.

Happy new year from the land of the people born yesterday. 
That is what I always tell my American friends.
Scott
Seattle - grey sky/no sun capital of the world
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:16:26 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

> In article <Geoff.67y5@equinox.gen.nz>, Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>> Thomas Beagle (thomas@datamark.co.nz) wrote:
>> 
>>>Target shooting develops certain skills that are not encouraged by
>>>many others. I found it to be a very good way to develop high levels
>>>of concentration and breathing control.
>> 
>> Take up yoga then. Guns are toys for puerile twits who are worried about the
>> size of their dicks.

Man,  are you a politician or something? You seem to have their unparalleled
ability to make sweeping unsubstantiated generalisations in a bid to support
your own erroneous bias.  Freudian theory is also now widely discredited and
you are only subscribing to a long defunct belief matching penises with
supposed power.  I suppose Thatcher suffers from penis envy and General
Schwartz suffers from the oedipus complex?

Just to further point out your own puerile inadequacies,  one only has to
present one case contrary to your claim to make your gradioise theory sink like
a rock.

This case is that of my uncle,  a national champion in small-bore shooting more
times than you can remember.  He is a throughly likable bachelor who smothers
you with hospitality when you visit.  He's almost childish in his optimism and
enthusiasm for life.  He live near the Mt Maunganui beach and enjoys swimming
and walking and socialising.

He loves shooting as a sport (only missing out on being in a New Zealand rowing
eight due to a lack of money) as he has a wide range of friends in the sport
that live all around NZ who he sees as he travels the country going from shoot
to shoot.  He's an engineer who works on his target practice from modifying his
guns,  to mixing his own blend of gun-powder,  to reading weather patterns in
order to know what turbulence a bullet will encounter on a given day.

Call it 'boys and their toys',  but the sport for him is social,  mechanically,
chemically and environmentally challenging, and requires great patience and
fitness for what can be marathon events.

And what's more,  he doesn't make big generalisations about things he knows
nothing about!

Jonathan.
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:34:52 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks

Radagast (radagast@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
>news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:

>Well, actually, guns do have non-lethal uses, target shooting for one.

This is not a 'use', it's just playing with a lethal toy.

--
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                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:38:30 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <Geoff.6708@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>Radagast (radagast@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
>>news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>
>>Well, actually, guns do have non-lethal uses, target shooting for one.
>
>This is not a 'use', it's just playing with a lethal toy.

Hmmm, would you describe softball in the same way? A certain Masterton
gentleman proved that softball bats are lethal toys too.

Target shooting develops certain skills that are not encouraged by
many others. I found it to be a very good way to develop high levels
of concentration and breathing control.
-- 
    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz           Work: 64 4 233 8186
Datamark Intl Ltd | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
 Technical Writer | Yes, I do have long ears, a black nose, and a tail.
From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: --New Zealand Scientists Push Wind
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:58:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1532100004:000:2341
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Dec 29 12:58:00 1992


/* Written 10:13 am  Oct 12, 1992 by tgray@igc.apc.org in igc:en.energy */

NEW ZEALAND HYDROPOWER CRISIS
LEADS TO CALL FOR MORE WIND
 
The New Zealand Wind Energy Task Force, a group of scientists,
called for new efforts to investigate and use wind energy in the
face of a drastic shortage of electric power, according to The
Solar Letter.
 
Research by the task force in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the
article said, has indicated that New Zealand could obtain an amount
of power equal to 20 percent of its current electricity demand from
wind energy.
 
However, Keith Dawber, a physicist at Otago University and a member
of the Task Force, has described the country's progress in the use
of wind energy as "unbelievably slow."
For a number of years, New Zealand enjoyed a surplus of electric
power, but recently a drought has cut deeply into supplies of
hydropower, and power rationing may result.  According to a recent
analysis by the U.S. Department of Commerce, "In some areas
industries may be threatened [by the power shortage] and
corporations are looking to standby supply sources independent of
the national [electric power distribution system]."
 
Dawber has urged that New Zealand install four demonstration wind
projects, two on each of the country's main islands.
 
===============================

The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) has authorized me to offer
an electronic edition of its newsletter, _Wind Energy Weekly_, from
which the above article is excerpted, at no cost.

For those of you who have not previously seen excerpts from back issues
on Usenet or Bitnet, the _Weekly_ reports on the outlook for renewable
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From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:33:33 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from New Zealand? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:19:27 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks

Thomas Beagle (thomas@datamark.co.nz) wrote:

>Target shooting develops certain skills that are not encouraged by
>many others. I found it to be a very good way to develop high levels
>of concentration and breathing control.

Take up yoga then. Guns are toys for puerile twits who are worried about the
size of their dicks.

--
Geoff, Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 [4 Lines]
                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: boys in the hall
Date: 29 Dec 1992 10:59:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I was just wondering if the boys in the hall tv show is
based on a serious sociological study of current Toronto
lifestyles.
If so, what would be the equivalent girls in the hall?
Is the show popular in canada?
Is there a hidden meaning which will help us all live more
productive, fruitful lives?
these are serious questions.


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: scott@sklib.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Postal rate increase January 1, 1993
Date: 29 DEC 92 12:17:22 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sklib.usask.ca

Effective January 1, 1993, Canada Post Corporation will increase the rates
of postage for letter mail and some of the other mail services. Priority
Courier and parcel rates will not increase until later in the year, the
Publishers Bookrate will increase March 1, 1993.
For your information the basic letter rates will be:
CANADA
- Standard letter up to 30g  -  .43cents
- Standard letter up to 50g  -  .67cents
- Oversized letter up to 100g-  .86cents
- Oversized letter up to 200g- $1.35
- Oversized letter up to 500g- $1.95
U.S.A.
- Standard letter up to 30g -     .49cents
- Oversized letter up to 100g - $1.10
- Oversized letter up to 200g - $2.10
- Oversized letter up to 500g - $3.60
INTERNATIONAL
- Letters up to 20g -    .86cents
- Letters up to 50g -  $1.29
- Letters up to 100g - $2.15
- Letters up to 250g - $4.75
- Letters up to 500g - $9.30
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: Happy New Year
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 03:07:07 GMT

Just want to wish a happy new year to all my Canadian friends.

May you get rid of Mulrooney
May your one-dollars be made of paper once again.

Ciao and cheers.z
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 13:55:11 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Gerald Olchowy writes:
>Why do you consider taxation by the state (via courts and police)
>legitimate and not theft when it is for the purpose of protecting
>every individual's right to property, but you consider it theft when
>the state taxes minimally for the purpose of protecting every
>individual's right to vote?

Charles M Kozierok responds:
>i have already explained *many* times the difference between protecting
>the right to something and forcing others to provide you with it.
>you may not like it, but there is a difference. i'm not going to
>keep repeating my arguments over and over.

I think you've missed Gerald's point.  Perhaps I can put it in a way that
brings the point home.

Say I am a Feudalist.  I happen to believe that I am perfectly capable of
protecting my property by the power of my own arm and my ability to pay
people to help me.

Now you come and tell me that I have to pay taxes so you and your weak
neighbours can pay for police and courts and things that I think are
unnecessary.  As far as I can see, that's as much theft as it is if they
come and tell me that I need to pay taxes so that some incompetents can
be given welfare.

Just as you think welfare is better done through individual charity, I
think that protection of property is best done through individual arming.

You are forcing me to provide you with police protection.

Why is forcing me to pay for welfare any more theft than forcing me to
pay for police?  I will cheerfully waive my "rights" to welfare and
police protection, so why can't I get out of paying for them?

...mark young
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: farm@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (B. Munroe)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:29:26 GMT

This thread has really made me wonder why some people continue to have 
sex at all?  (A note for the literal - previous statement typed with a smirk).


.....  Neither pro-choice or pro-life -- just pro-responsibility  .....


Bob


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.............................................................
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Happy 1993 chums
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:35:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <JsDNwB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

> And remember a good Republican is a dead one!

I hereby proclaim Dave Yadallee as an honorary Republican.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: kids in the hall
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:24:03 GMT

bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>I was just wondering if the boys in the hall tv show is
>based on a serious sociological study of current Toronto
>lifestyles.

Having lived in downtown Toronto, I'd say that it captures a certain
urban spirit and irreverance that characterizes parts of that area.
The parents that are satirized by the Kids are carictures of those
who live in "safer" areas of town north of downtown or in what would
pass for "suburbia" (Canada lacks suburbs except for rings around the
three largest cities; nothing like the bedroom counties of New Jersey
linked to New York City and Philadelphia).  Some of it is a reaction
to vestiges of Victorianism that still exist in English Canada ... as
a Canadian act, the Kids do not conceive their material to shock the
American audiences a la SNL -- as borne out by the fact that the CBS
showings are supposedly "best of" repeats of the clean versions from 
previous seasons.  However, that much of it coincides with what one
would do in reaction against "network standards" (e.g., show Elvis
only above the waist -- Ed Sullivan Show) makes the Kids work here.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:29:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.225819.18188@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.095125.14827@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>The right to vote requires some minimal state action to protect the
>>capability of every individual to exercise that right, just as the
>>right to property requires state action (i.e. courts and police) so
>>every individual is capable to exercise their right to property.
>>
>>Why do you consider taxation by the state (via courts and police)
>>legitimate and not theft when it is for the purpose of protecting
>>every individual's right to property, but you consider it theft when
>>the state taxes minimally for the purpose of protecting every
>>individual's right to vote?
>
>i have already explained *many* times the difference between protecting
>the right to something and forcing others to provide you with it.
>you may not like it, but there is a difference. i'm not going to
>keep repeating my arguments over and over.
>

Do you intend to feed and provide shelter for those people you intend
to incarcerate for stealing food to feed themselves and their families?

You find it justified to pay for the courts, and the police, and the
jails, and then for the basic human needs of the individuals when in
prison, and the prison guards...it seems that you would rather create
a police state, which is infinitely more costly and hazardous to
individual liberty and your property, rather
than pay for a minimal social-safety net at the front end which not
only insures the right of individuals to exercise their right to vote,
but serve as a preventive protective measure for the rights and property
of most of the other people in the society....or do you intend to
do punish the theft of a loaf of bread with capital punishment?

When "the right to vote" exists and is seen to be meaningful and
able to be exercised by the poorest in the society, this is the
best protector of all the individual rights of all the rest of
the citizens, including the property of the well-to-do.

A human being is not a rational animal, if they are starving, and
the other citizens cannot expect that starving human being will act
rationally.  There are enough real criminals to worry about...it
is foolish to create them, along with the need for more police.

The right to vote does put constraints on the right to property, but
ultimately, democracy will impose the minimal constraints on the
right to property.

Too bad more Objectivists would not read Les Miserables along with 
Atlas Shrugged.

Gerald