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From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd M. Mccomb)
Subject: Re: Hindi or Classical CD's
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.183327.3057@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>Jecklin has mostly dhrupad-Ang music
>also DDD but, as someone pointed out some time ago, their recordings suffer
>from miking problems in the initial soft passages.

Since this has been mentioned more than once, I will mention that I disagree.
I believe the balance is accurate, and the voices really are that soft.
One must simply listen more carefully.

T. M. McComb

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical,rec.music.indian.misc
From: umeshmo@microsoft.com (Umesh Mokate)
Subject: Re: Song Identifications.
Date: 02 Sep 92 22:05:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep1.171018.3355@cc.gatech.edu> jasjit@terminus.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh) writes:
>>>|> Kishor in Vidhaata
>>>
>> No, It was Shammi Kapoor and Padmini Kolhapuri with Sanjay Dutt as a 
>> bystander. Perhaps, one of the more obscene songs in movies!
>
>It was certainly a cheap song with double meanings, but was nothing
>if you compare it with the creations of Dada Kondke!
>
>>
>> Arun Simha
>>
>
>Jasjit
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Jasjit Singh              jasjit@cc.gatech.edu
>
>"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one ..."
>          [ Spock in "The Wrath of Khan" ]


As I replied to earlier post, please realize that this board (RMIC) is NOT
appropriate to this kind of discussion. Please refrain from cross
posting to RMIC.

I am purposely posting this reply (and also my previous reply) to both
news groups (RMIC and RMIM) to let the future posters know about it. 

(Sorry I made a mistake in my earlier reply. I was not explicit in
requesting all to refrain from cross posting articles NOT related to 
Indian classical music to RMIC.)

Thanks.

Umesh Mokate
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: ashok@cs.washington.edu (Immaneni Ashok)
Subject: Indian Classical Music & Dance
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:21:29 GMT


	Society for the Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture 
		    Amongst Youth (SPIC-MACAY), Seattle presents

 LECTURE-DEMONSTRATION ON THE APPRECIATION OF INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC AND DANCE

			   SPEAKER:   MR. A.M.SUNDARAM

	Mr. Sundaram is a musicologist from Madras, India. 
	Along with Mr. T.S. Parthasarathy (secretary of Music Academy, Madras),
	he has compiled a book on "The Index of Bharatnatyam Compositions." 
	He is currently compiling another book on "The Composers of Karnataka 
	Music." Mr. Sundaram is associated with the Fine Arts Foundation of 
	India, a trust based in Madras for the promotion of Bharatnatyam and 
	Karnataka music, and for the promotion of young artists.

		----------------------------------------------------
		| Date: Monday, August 24, 1992			   |
		| Time: 7:30 pm					   |
		| Venue: Brechemin Auditorium (Music Bldg.)        |
		|        University of Washington, Seattle         |
		----------------------------------------------------

Program: 

    o Documentary on Indian Classical Dance forms
    o Lecture on the appreciation of Bharatanatyam
 	Mr. Sundaram will explain the basic foot steps and the hand gestures 
	that are used to compose the dance items. This will be followed by a 
	demonstration of typical dance items. 
    o Lecture on the appreciation of Karnataka Music
	The basic formulation of Raga and Tala will be explained. The 
	difference between the treatment of a Raga in Hindustani and Karnataka
	schools of music will be demonstrated. 

Demonstrations by: 	Malani Raman (Bharatanatyam)
			Immaneni Ashok (Karnataka Vocal)
			Sharad Gadre (Hindustani Vocal)


			  ***** ALL ARE INVITED *****
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME IDENTIFY AN ALBUM!!!!!
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:50:55 GMT

Its L. Shankar for sure in that case. He is L. Subramaniam's brother
BTW (the L is the family name, and many Indians tend to put last name
first). L. Shankar is on ECM which is a German jazz label. He has
several albums out. Any good jazz store should have them or be able to
get them for you.
From: pgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Paramesh Gopi)
Subject: To all the idiotic (film)song identifiers
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Reply-To: pgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Paramesh Gopi)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:34:52 GMT

 This is for all the inane people who posted articles about identifying filmsongs 

I agree with shiv naimpally in article# <1992Aug28.143138.18945@bmerh85.bnr.ca>.

  I am really sick of people posting articles about Indian film music(ie rafi, lata mangeshkar) in this newsgroup!!!!  Most of the people subscribing to this newsgroup including me don't give a damn about whether Kishore was singing in `such and such' movie, or whether Amitabh Bachan acted in `such and such' movie in which Kishore sang.
  
  I thought this was supossed to be `rec.music.indian.classical' and I'd like to emphasize `classical' here!!!  If anyone wants to post articles enquiring about or concerning such trash, they should post their articles in that other newsgroup which takes such articles!!  I personally find it extremely annoying that evertime I want to read about Indian classical music, I find articles about film music.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:46:08 EDT
From: Girish Harshe <GRH6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: To all the idiotic (film)song identifiers

In article <2AA30F0C.3555@orion.oac.uci.edu>, pgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu
(Paramesh Gopi) says:
>
> This is for all the inane people who posted articles about identifying
>filmsongs
>
>I agree with shiv naimpally in article#                                       .
><1992Aug28.143138.18945@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
>
>  I am really sick of people posting articles about Indian film music(ie rafi,
               ====

>lata mangeshkar) in this newsgroup!!!!  Most of the people subscribing to this

   stuff deleted

   Though I can understand your 'sickness', I don't understand
why do you have to use such a harsh language. As you have pointed
Shiv Naimpallym has already posted a letter protesting the posting
of letters on this net outside the interest of this group.

   And by your doing so you may not change anything, since
you have not cross posted your letter to the other group(s)
where the original request for songs identification was posted.
In fact if you keep your eyes open, you will see that the original
poster had posted his request by mistake on this group, but the
the others are only replies to his request. And perhaps they
will not even get to see the pain of your 'sickness', since
they may not be reading the letters posted here.

     As for your problem, you can send an email to the
original poster, so that he can realize how knowingly
or unknowingly he has caused pains to you and people
sharing your sentiment. I for myself, am not really
looking forward to seeing net-wars on this group,
because of intolerant people with an extreme approach
such as you.

 Girish
From: sivaras@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Sivaramapuram Subramanyam Kris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: raag equivalents
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:11:47 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Aug30.221201.23084@walter.bellcore.com> rashid@sana.bellcore.com (Rashid Ansari) writes:
>Is Brindavani Sarang same in both Hindusthani and Carnatic?
>I remember listening to a Carnatic piece by M.S.Subbalaxmi
>in Brindavani Sarang.
> 

The name is slightly different, I guess. It is bridAvana sArangA. 

krishnA

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
S S Krishna 

Deptt of Computer Science
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From: sri@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Subject: Re: raag equivalents
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.221201.23084@walter.bellcore.com>, rashid@sana.bellcore.com (Rashid Ansari) writes...
>Is Brindavani Sarang same in both Hindusthani and Carnatic?
>I remember listening to a Carnatic piece by M.S.Subbalaxmi
>in Brindavani Sarang.
> 
Yes, it is. I think it is called 'Brindavana Saranga' in Carnatic music. 
Could the piece you are referring to be 'Ranga pura vihArA' ?

There is a Thillana composed by Lalgudi Jayaraman in the same raga 
(at least sounds the same to me); but, he calls it 'Brindavani'. 
I would like to know if those two ragas are the same or not. 

-- sri
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From: smitra@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Samindranath Mitra)
Subject: Boris Godunov
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:01:05 GMT

Hello all,
 	Do you all have any opinions regarding the various available 
recordings of Boris Godunov. Any recommendations?

Sami Mitra

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From: allyn@milton.u.washington.edu (Allyn Weaks)
Subject: Re: Music, not for air-heads
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:04:03 GMT

steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter) writes:
>What kind of music can be played under water?  What does
>it sound like?  Are there any compositions (in? for?) this
>medium?  (I mean, apart from whale-and-bird-song pieces.)

This may not count, but a couple of years ago at the Seattle Recorder
Society Members Night, "Water Music" was played.  It was written by one
of the two performers, a kid about 12 years old.  Take a bucket of water
and two plastic recorders (I think it was for soprano and alto) and play
them while bobbing up and down so that you have a fingered slide whistle.
It actually worked pretty well.  And they even managed not to crack their
heads together!

Allyn Weaks
allyn@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Recordings of S. Richter
From: Marco Simionato <simion@iveuncc.unive.it>
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:41:19 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Venezia (Italy)
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9X-XXDate: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:44:36 GMTLines: 28

In article <1992Sep2.132724.23727@sarah.albany.edu> ,
pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>  I wouldn't recommend his WTC.  I have many doubts about his reading of
>Bach, but I am happy to hear that he changed his attitude.  I would
>love to hear his new Bach.  Did he record anything already ?

Well, perhaps it's true that his readings do not give us the true Bach,
even if quite more faithful than the celebrated G.Gould's interpretations.
On the other hand, I think I can say that Richter, despite his
unquestionable "loyalty" to the scores, always imagines and gives
something more than you can find in the written notes. What personally
strikes me is the fact that his renderings are somewhat richer, in
some cases "luxuriant", that a truly philological rendering.
Anyway, the Stradivarious CD I mentioned, which came out a few months
ago including 3 sonatas, 4 duets, 1 caprice and the Italian Concerto,
can be taken as representative of this new manner of his - as a matter
of fact, it was recorded in studio in Summer '91 during his Italian tour.
Another CD with English suites 1 and 3 is supposed to be out in a few
days, always from Stradivarious.

As to my not mentioning his recordings of some of Beethoven's early
sonatas, well, there's still a lot I left out. If I can recommend one,
go for sonata op.54 on RCA. I have not listened to the recording, but
I hope it's no less than the live performance he gave on August 22 in
Asolo, near Venice. I couldn't believe that this sonata is considered
a minor one. Perhaps some judgements, based I guess on the "German"
interpretive tradition of Beethoven, will have to be integrated in
the light of Richter's readings.
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From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd M. McComb)
Subject: Re: How about some JOHN CAGE suggestions?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:28:35 GMT

In article <92236.190222RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET> Robert Haskins writes:
>Joan LaBarbara Singing Through John Cage (New ALbion) NA 035 CD -- a
>nice collection of old and recent vocal works, nice performances.

Definitely.  I had the privilege of hearing Joan LaBarbara sing a couple
of these live in May.

>The Arditti Quartet -- John Cage: The Complete String Quartets
>Volume 2 (Mode 27).  This volume contains the _String Quartet
>in Four Parts_ (which is generally regarded as an important
>transitional work) and _"Four"_ (1989), which was written for
>the Arditti.  I listened to _"Four"_ yesterday and I think
>it is a lovely piece.

I had not heard that this was released.  Volume 1 (Mode 17) should
also be mentioned.  That volume contains Music for Four and Thirty
Pieces for String Quartet.

>Yuji Takahashi -- _Sonatas and Interludes_ for prepared piano
>(Denon CM 7673) -- an oft-performed and popular work.

It seems to me that most anyone (Mr. Yoder excluded, of course) would
like the Sonatas and Interludes.  This might be an excellent place to
start for people interested in Cage.  I will put in a good word for
Gerard Fremy's performance, Etcetera 2001.

>_Music of Changes,_ a large piano work written using the I Ching,
>is also available on the Wergo label performed by Herbert Henck
>(he also recorded the Stockhausen Klavierstuecke).

I believe this is supposedly the first piece which involves radical
use of chance.

>The _Freeman Etudes_ for violin are fairly recent (1977-78?) and
>are supposed to be recorded by Irvine Arditti (of the Arditti Quartet).
>Haven't seen this yet.

There is already a performance of the Freeman Etudes by Paul Zukofsky
on CP^2 103.

Not exactly fawning....

T. M. McComb

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From: steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: Schoeck
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.170656.7127@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.152055.29447@Princeton.EDU> roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.193845.21259@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
>>>Anyone heard of the composer Schoeck?
>>
>>Yes.  
>>
>>You really *are* doing the Germans and Austrians, aren't you?  Schreker,
>>Korngold, Schoeck...
>>
>>What about him?                 
>>
>>Roger
>>
>
>Oh, just curious. I saw some cds recently and wondered what sort of music they
>were. The German/Austrian connection is cooncidental, however I am moving to
>Germany in two weeks. As cds are considerably more expensive there (and I'm
>not sure how easy to find in the area I'm going) I'm stocking up a bit before
>I leave and am interested in investigating some composers with whom I'm
>unfamiliar. So who was this Schoeck fellow?
>
>

Swiss, wasn't he?  I used to own a couple of F-D Schoeck song-collections,
but found them ... not too interesting.  There's at least one opera on CD,
_Mass--- Don---_, fragments of whose title are all I have to offer.  I've
wondered whether it's worth investigating, and would appreciate opinions.

For what it's worth, there seems to be an abundance of Schoeck's work on
disk, mostly lieder.

Steve



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From: sgsying@fourier.ecn.purdue.edu (Goangshiuan Ying)
Subject: Video of La Traviata and Rigoletto
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:42:57 GMT

I believe, at least ten years ago, Domingo and Cotrubas sang La Traviata and
Rigoletto at Met together.  I have seen the video tapes of these two 
performances.  I have been trying to get copies of the video tapes, but
it is not on the market at all...  Have you seen it when they broadcasted
these two performances.  And do you by any chance knows how I can get a
copy of the tapes....


Thanks in advance!



Shawn

--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: clarinet arcana and transposition
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Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.193203.12678@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes...
>In article <1992Aug26.181851.27979@aero.org> dgolber@aero.org (Dave Golber) writes:
> 
>>>A Clarinet teacher I had in college said that in Stravinsky's
>>>_The History of a Soldier_, a very hard piece (I can't recall if
>>>it requires an A along with the Bflat clarinet), ...

	Worst I remember was trying to play the first movement of Borodin's
second symphony. The part was written for A clarinet, so we had to transpose
on the fly for B-flat clarinet. (It wasn't too bad on A clarinets, but the
A clarinets the school had were really poor.) I ended up transcribing the
middle fast passage, and when I was done, it ended up in 5 or 6 sharps, and
if you counted double-flats and double-sharps, as 2, it had more accidentals
than notes.

	What I want to know is, how could anybody play passages like that
on the earlier Albert system clarinets? (Music for clarinet 4-hands perhaps?)


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From: rwilmer@zinka.mitre.org (R. Wilmer)
Subject: Re: Top Five Russian Operas (was: Top Ten Operas)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.232111.8930@odin.corp.sgi.com> lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.002837.10204@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>|> 
>|> What are the top five Russian operas?
>|> 
>
>I cast my votes for the following:
>
>1)  The Fair at Sorochinsk
>2)  Prince Igor
>3)  The Invisible City of Kitezh
>4)  Love for Three Oranges
>5)  Boris Godonov
>-- 

What?  No Tchaikowsky?

I think Russian opera has a wealth of wonderful, unfamiliar music.
I have heard about ten, and the only one I didn't like was Mussorsky's
``The Wedding''.

Of Rimsky-Korsakov, I have only heard the Tsar's Bride and Coq d'Or,
and I like those two so much that I imagine there must be wonderful
things in Sadko, the Snow Maiden, etc.

I agree with you about Prince Igor and Boris, but don't know the
other three.

But back to Tchaikowsky, Eugen Onegin and the Queen of Spades are
masterpieces, and (with Boris) perhaps the only Russian operas
that are consistently in the international repertory.

Two others that I recommend are Mussorsky's Khovanshina and
Tchaikowsky's Sorceress.

I would need to do a lot more listening in that large field
of music to make a judgment about what the best Russian
operas are.

Richard


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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: Prokofiev 5th with Ozawa on DG - a review
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.104024.14144@visual.com> rwh@visual.com (Rob Holzel) writes:
>Ray Tuttle opines:
>
>>After some massive Fifths in the recent past (above all, Levi's on
>>Telarc), it is somewhat of a relief to hear Ozawa's, even if it doesn't
>>give the whole picture.  
>
>Does this mean the Levi disappoints you?  I think it is the one performance
>on CD that is *completely* thrilling.  The only one that goes deeper into
>the horrific is the later Bernstein, which even *I* think is too much
>over the top.  Jarvi is too fast, Karajan too glossy.  Every other reading
>I've heard has also fallen short in some way.
>
>>Ozawa's approach is more balletic and flexible
>>than usual; 
>
>Sounds like a curious, complacent repetition of failed interpretations
>of the past.
>
>>the music constantly seems to be looking back to
>>Tchaikovsky.
>
>So, maybe you could say Ozawa is a George Bush kinda conductor 
>on this one?  :-)   Give me the youthful Levi any day -- energetic
>where the music demands, but also sensitive to its need for passion
>and pathos.  This symphony ain't no Swan Lake.  I've always thought
>too many performances try to tame this music at the expense of its
>more terrifying content.

Give me the Slatkin performance.  Takes Prokofieff's sardonicism and
turns it into terror.

One of my all-time favorite recordings.



-- 

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From: mikefl@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Mike Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:14:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Here Comes the Bride NOT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical

In rec.music.classical, jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:


      I am getting married in a few weeks. My betrothed has been married
    before. The wedding will be in a Church (Unitarian-Universalist).
    Since she has been through it before we don't want the traditional
    "Here Comes The Bride" since she will not be given awy. We (the small
    wedding party - bride, groom, best man, maiden of honor) will wald
    down together - what music would be appropriate - for the introductory
    part where people come in I have chosen the standard stuff (air on a G
    string, Jesu, joy of man's etc and where sheep may safely graze - not
    original choices but I know what I like). Any advice?

                                      Jerry Freedman,Jr


------------------

How about:

	Trumpet Voluntary in D (Prince of Denmark march) by Clarke
		(formerly attributed to Purcell)

	Rondeau from Symphony and Fanfares by Mouret (Masterpiece Theater)

	Trumpet Tune in D by Purcell

	Any number of trumpet voluntaries by Stanley

A hint on recessional:

	"Rejoicing" from the "Music for the Royal Fireworks" by Handel


These suggestions brought to you by:

	Steven T. Angelucci
	Director of Music and Liturgy
	Cathedral of St. Eugene
	Santa Rosa, California

	former Director of Music at St. Michael Parish, Bedford MA !!


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