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From:         GLDBRGJO@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Multi-lingual scholar
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Bob Strauss asked about Multi-Lingual Scholar (MLS).  I'll share this with the
list since others may be interested.

I used MLS 3.2 (not the latest version) before discovering NB.  I have seen
demos of MLS 4.0 and in short I don't think they improved on the faults of 3.2.
That is to say MLS is wonderful from the standpoint that it already does
Arabic as well as many other alphabets that NB doesn't handle, and its printer
fonts are beautiful, even on a 24 pin printer.  However, as a wordprocessor
it does not make the grade.  Assuming the latest version is anything like the
previous version it has no style sheets, no spell-checker, and is very
difficult (add an it after "and" on last line) to do page formatting and
footnotes which is all accomplished by directly entering commands into your
document with strange and elongated syntax to control features.  Despite the
paucity of commands as compared to NB I never could master even the basic ones.
Unless you're desperate for Arabic, or other characters that NB doesn't provide
I do not recommend it.  I also had lots of problems mixing languages.  An
inserted word in a different alphabet would often unexplicably jump out of
place and needed to be reentered.  Of course you also don't get IBID or Orbis
which we hope will work more easily one day, and the file format is incompatible
with anything in the universe.

The bottom line:  I was glad to find NB, quirks and all, it beats MLS and
WP (which I also used for many years) for my purposes.

Yechiel Goldberg
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From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      DR DOS precautions (Was: "strange")
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              27 Jan 93 08:56:28 EST from <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I don't know whether the following have anything to do with Austin Kerr's
problems, but his query reminds me to post 2 or 3 hard-won rules about
running DR DOS.  Some of this relates to how DR DOS interacts with Norton
Utilities 6, not NB, but still may be helpful, and may apply to similar
utility packages.

1)  DO NOT run fastopen if you use Norton Utilities.  This goes for MS DOS
also.  Could trash your hard disk when you run NU.  (P.S., on my system
FASTOPEN runs automatically, even without CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT
invocation.  You can find out by running FASTOPEN from the DOS prompt, and
seeing whether it claims to be running already.  Re-boot immediately of course.
If either DR DOS or your BIOS is running FASTOPEN without your consent,
put the line "FASTOPEN=0" in your CONFIG.SYS.)

2)  LIKEWISE, DO NOT use DR DOS's DELWATCH utility.  It is very nice,
and I don't want to undermine its reputation.  BUT with NU's Speedisk and
perhaps other utilities, it seems quite dangerous, so you must choose.

3)  More specifically NB-related:  I am just noticing today that SHARE seems
to interfere with some IBID operations.  Most noticeably, I was getting the
message "NBBIB.TPL not found" at points in the operation where IBID was
trying to use this file in a second way (like generating a bibliography
with the T for Template format).  SHARE is supposed to facilitate sharing,
but doesn't always seem to do so, even when I up the number of files it expects
to keep track of.  The reason this is especially important with DR DOS, is that
if you want to use TASKMAX for task-switching, SHARE is required.  I was alread
y beginning to migrate toward running NB 3.1 under Windows 3.1 (even in
Standard Mode, with my mere 2 megs of memory) when I noticed that I
ended up with exactly the same ammount of available memory inside NB
when loaded from Windows, as when loaded from TaskMax.  But this
problem with SHARE convinces me all the more to use Windows, which
apparently does not require SHARE.  (Tell me if I'm wrong, anyone, but
it is working so far and my Windows 3.1 manual says nothing about SHARE at
all.)

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
Theology  U. of Notre Dame   |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 93 15:36:00 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: input window save
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> I have tried to create a program, that I could assign to a key, that
> would close the input window, save the file, reopen the input
> window, and return me to the spot where I was composing.

Rip,

this works at least for my 4.0 (uppercased pairs of letters stand for
program functions, lowercase for regular text)

<<sx01,<<cp>>>>BC saXC BC jmp <<pv01>>XC OV efXC

Don't ask me why you have to jump twice to the saved cursor position.
I just couldn't make it work any other way.

j-p takala

------------------------- Start of *.XXE --------------------
begin 644 notesave.run
gfbBsA12gfaBkfuzzUFxnMTy-0Ty-5qdhQ00iQ5MkAOzzUEbzUfZZNjy-0Fch
+
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:02:44 -0500
From:         "Robert A. Kelly" <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: scholarly authors as compositors?
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Peter Parisi wrote:

> Of course, it also seems clear, that for the publishing house this way of
> proceeding effects some significant economies in a business none too
> lucrative.  But at what cost in scholarly energy and quality of the
> publication?
>

Peter has hit on one of my pet rants and raves.  This is not only a
problem of publishing.  Throughout the academic/scholarly vocation the
teacher/scholar is being expected to do things that other people used to
do, such as type and print syllabi, type-set books, etc.  This means that
there are less jobs and those lucky enough to be employed have to do more
work.  Of course, our love of technology and the quality of programs such
as Nota Bene both adds to and helps solve the problem (what was it you
said a while back, Mervyn, about if I know about something and I don't
have it, that's a problem that needs a solution--I forget the exact
sense?).  At the same time academic administrators seem to have become
terribly confused about the difference between a university and a factory.
Somehow knowledge and human beings of character are supposed to be
produced in the same way as widgets, and production quotas are the order
of the day.  Its almost as if as someone has come up with the perfect
strategy for preventing people who care from finding knowledge or helping
form people of character.

Of course, scholarly publishing is a money losing proposition, and the
cheaper the cost of each book, the more books that will be published.  We
can help through the use of computers, laser printers, etc.  And, its not
that publishers have never asked for camera-ready copy--it's just that it
used to be ugly camera-ready copy.  And there were always academic
publishers that required significant "subventions" (which being translated
is sort of like a high-class bribe) before they would publish your book.
Somehow I always seem to have more camera-ready copy than cash, so ....

_______

Robert A. Kelly
Waterloo Lutheran Seminary/Wilfrid Laurier University
75 University Ave. W.
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 5K5                 519-884-1970, ext. 2853
Internet: rkelly3@mach1.wlu.ca            Fax: 519-725-2434


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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
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If you have access to a MAC running system 7, you don't need to go through
all that rigamarole (sp?). Just pop a 3.5" DOS disk with you NB files in
to the MAC and start up the utility for file conversion. I think it's called
MACLink Plus. THis assumes you have a MAC with the capability to read DOS
disks,of course. This converter recognizes XYWrite format, and will convert
directly. I'm not sure if it's up to version 4.0 yet, so you might need
to convert your files back to NB 3.0 format - I think NB will do that under
export. If your machine won't do that, look around for someone with a
new MAC setup.

Michael J.
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
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The problem is caused by a fault in NB4, which does not update the IBID
template properly (despite the fact that it says that it has done so). The
solution is somewhat cumbersome: write down the names of all customised fields
in your database and erase the NBIBID.TPL file. Then use the PICK DATABASE
option to add a database. Specify that you want the program to CREATE a
database. When that is done you can add the customised fields to the template
like the ibidplus manual describes it.

The new NBIBID.TPL (or is is NBBIB.TPL?) contains a couple of extra deltas
which must be there before the program can search properly. This method inserts
them for you. Pity about the fields though.

Frederik Pedersen, Carlsberg Fellow, Cambridge


PS: the above must be performed for each database.
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 93 14:30:08 -0500
From:         haynese@ACAD.WINTHROP.EDU
Subject:      Multi-Lingual Scholar
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Interested to see that someone raises the issue of MLS here.  If your major
need is for non-Roman scripts, MLS can't be beat.  Let's face it, all
that NB does is Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrere (Hebrew - keyboard problems!).
For those of us (a) non in a Mac0-World and (b) aware that there IS a
wider woirld, this is pretty thin pickings.  MLS adds good Arabic and
Farsi (Urdu is there, but a bit troubled).  Hindi, Sanskrit, Gujarati,
Punjabi are available now and other South Asian Languages are coming
(since you can, if you wish, design or scan-in your own fonts).  As I
recall (outside the area of my need), Korean, Cuneiform, IPA, and others
are availeble.  All this in addition to the short-list of NB.  Not bad!
BUT (and this is a BIG "BUT"), if you are looking for a full-featured,
easy to use, prefo - properly (!) structured professional word processor,
MLS doesn't measure up.
I should add:  I have NOT seen or used it in the most recent (4.0?)
version.  I believe things like spelling checkers have been added (and
think about THAT!).  As NB becomes more and more frustrating, I, for
one, have dusted off the MLS manual and taken another hard look at it.
Even at the "opea - "optimum peak", NB just doidn't cut it as a multi-
lingual word processor outside a very NARROW market.  MLS is the tool
for this.  If it were only a better o wrd processor!  Why, of why, didn't
THEY buy NB!
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Sorry - again a private yell across a silent, crowded room: and in a
foreign language too.

Gawd, it's embarrassing when I do this; I run through a lot of mail
every day and keep forgetting to note the TO line.

Still - let's have fun: a prize to the first person to send a
translation.....

And, errrrh, Bob Strauss - this does not include you: but an especial
red faced apology to you. I owe you a big one..... !
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Subject:      Re: Table Mountain
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OK, ok ok ok. I stand (actually sit) corrected. Johannesburg? How could
I have been so blind? I know it is Cape Town, and that J'burg is inland.

At least, as an American, I am probably one of the few who know that
South Africa, and Rhodesia, are among the more scenic places around:
much like our west.

Bob (ever confused) Strauss
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM.SI.EDU>
Subject:      Note extract/reinsert
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From: Allan Needell

Greetings,

Using NB4, I have just completed a rather extensive edit of the notes of a
long (80 pp) document. I used the menu option to extract notes into
side-by-side vertical columns (nice touch). The problem is that in trying to
reinsert the notes, I get the unhelpful prompt "error inserting notes." I've
checked the files CHAPTER.NF1 and CHAPTER.FN1, and they appear to be in order.

Has anyone else had a similar experience. Have you been able to get the notes
back in? BTW, the program mercifully retains the original document, so the
only work I may have to redo is the editing of the footnotes (or I may be
forced to manually cut and paste the edited notes into the original document).

Regards,
Allan A. Needell (NASSH100@SIVM.SI.EDU)
Dept. of Space History, National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC 20560  (202/357-2828)
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Subject:      Re: [Solution to IBID problems, new?]
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The version of ibid which is included in version 4 of NB MUST be used with
version 4. The old version from NB3.1 will behave in exactly the way you
describe. There's nothing for it except reinstalling the new IBID.
good luck

Frederik Pedersen, Carlsberg Fellow, Cambridge Group

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:51:38 IST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA.EDU
Subject:      Re: scholarly authors as compositors?
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This has concerned me for some time. Not negatively, since I was an
awful typist (on a typewriter) and spent many hours re-typing pages
with an error or two.  So I love word processing.

But I have noticed that so much is desktop published today. Even a
personal letter, with a graphic, or when font programs are used, the
whole thing is a graphic.  Perhaps in a few years, it will all be
such second nature to us that we won't even think about it.  I suspect
that will be the case.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++           Bob Strauss              Head of Cataloging       ++
++         Ramsey Library             & Asst. Tech. Svcs. Libn.++
++          UNC-Asheville             Strauss@uncavx.unca.edu  ++
++       Asheville, NC 28804          Strauss@UNCA.BITNET      ++
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From:         Assie Gildenhuys <ASSIE@NAVI.UP.AC.ZA>
Subject:      Ibid+ and Auto-replace in NB4
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Members of the list,
I have two questions concerning NB4:
1.I have tried to use the function in Ibid+ (in non-
bibliographic database) where one is
supposed to be able to change fields.. sequence as follows; Pick
a database (legal or address) and then choose Field and as I
understand, one should then get the non-bibliographical template
but I get the bibliographical one and am also not able to change
the fields in this one.. a big inconvenience when one would like
to customize the fields..
2.I would like to use the auto-replace function of NB 3.1 using
a xxxx.spl file. What I have not been able to figure out is how
do one get the auto-replace function to work.. which key
combination.
Thanks in advance
Assie Gildenhuys

Department of Psychology
University of Pretoria
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Phil,
The program is not looking for the files in "the wrong" subdirectory.  Rather
it has finished scanning your whole path, and reporting that the files were
not found in any of the subdirectories mentioned in it, not even the last,
which in your case happens to be 'drdos'.
                                                          Odeda.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:26:01 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ibid+ and Auto-replace in NB4
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Auto-replace is activated with:
   Alt-INS
   r
but maybe you'll have to do it before entering Ibid.
Note also that there is a severe limitation to NB4's replacement
string length and quality, strings longer than 39 or 42 chars will
hang the machine, and so will CR's and many other control sequences.
Ways to go around these limitations have been presented on the
list during the past few weeks.

J-P Takala
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As I stated in my previous E-mail I no longer use DRDOS because my Zenith
Supersport SX has a 101 keyboard which requires a Zenith keyboard driver which
is not compatible with DRDOS to convert the keyboard for European use. However,
I did use it for long enough to be convinced that there are no
incompatibilities between NDOS/4DOS and DRDOS. Early releases of some of the
modules in the Norton Utilities (I.E. version 5 and 6.0: 6.01 is OK) were very
dangerous. This was particularly true of the NCACHE and ERASEPROTECT programs.
NCACHE will indeed thrash some harddisks, particularly if they run under ZENiTH
dos 3.3. CALIBRATE may have damaged your harddisk because it did not recognise
that it used sector translation (a hardware way of increasing the number of
sectors on each track of the harddisk). These things happen.

I have previously posted some warnings about STACKER and SUPERSTORE and Nortons
Erase protect and PCTOOLS datamonitor. DONT USE THEM IF YOUR HARDDISK IS
GETTING FULL.

But as I said, I believe that NDOS is compatible with DRDOS. I certainly never
had any problems with it.

Frederik Pedersen, Carlsberg Fellow, Cambridge Group
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sorry for bothering the entire list with this.  How do I sign off the list?
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May the Great Dragonfly hover over your news icons....

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Now that I have gotten rid of my troublesome COM3 I am ready to attempt OS/2
again on my computer. Do any of you out there using OS/2 (e.g. Paul Bodin) have
any concrete settings I should be aware of? How do I let OS/2 know where my
CD-ROM driver is? Can it find it on its own?
        Michael Dick
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From: Allan Needell

OK Mervyn, what is it? (I mean your attempt at ascii art)

I too like "nertwork" even if it was inadvertent--added as an afterthought,
long after the spell checker had done its work.

Regards,
Allan A. Needell (NASSH100@SIVM.SI.EDU)
Dept. of Space History, National Air & Space Museum
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
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A simple reindexing has solved some of my spurious empty searches with
Ibid under NB4.  I feel that it sometimes easily (allows you to) slightly
corrupt(s) the database, more easily so than did 3.1+Ibid.

Another trick I once did--and which might work here--was to take a normal
look at the NBBIB*.DAT files and find that I could only see so many
entries, i.e., there was an uninvited end-of-file marker there, and
SELECT probably would not search past it while some other commands would.
To fix that, one can Set-Other-File-
End-of-file Marker to something visible and fix the file manually.

j-p takala
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